| 00:00.11 | Kaligar | thats true |
| 00:00.14 | cogwheel | wereHamster: no |
| 00:00.16 | SP|Sorren | korean games do that as well though |
| 00:00.29 | Industrial | wereHamster: its trying to connect to the test server wich doesnt let you, press enter fast after it says Connected |
| 00:00.43 | Kaso | mm, this buff change means you nolonger need to use Tooltips to scan buffs, nice |
| 00:00.43 | End | I made a change to my Config.wtf to fix that problem |
| 00:00.49 | cogwheel | go into your Config.wtf and delete your SET realmname or whatever line |
| 00:00.50 | End | removed the SET RealmList line |
| 00:00.55 | End | er |
| 00:00.56 | End | yeah |
| 00:00.59 | End | realmname |
| 00:01.03 | End | what cogwheel said |
| 00:01.44 | wereHamster | thanks, works now :) |
| 00:02.03 | Industrial | why is my frame smaller then UIParent if i set all points to it? |
| 00:02.13 | Industrial | actually uiparent is smaller then my screen too |
| 00:02.15 | Shadowed | the parents not set to UIParent? |
| 00:02.26 | Industrial | about the size of my scaling |
| 00:02.27 | JoshBorke | Industrial: it changed |
| 00:02.31 | Industrial | no it dodnt |
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| 00:02.52 | JoshBorke | hm, SetAllPoints should work |
| 00:02.54 | Industrial | seems like it doesnt include the scale with the width |
| 00:02.59 | wereHamster | wow.. there's already a lvl70 player o.0 |
| 00:03.23 | Saeris | damnable slow Blizzard patcher |
| 00:03.23 | JoshBorke | but you do have to multiply by GetEffectiveScale() of UIParent when setting width |
| 00:03.34 | ckknight | ChatFrame_OnEvent seems to be hookable now. |
| 00:03.56 | End | that's very good |
| 00:03.57 | Industrial | JoshBorke: why not GetScale() |
| 00:04.24 | JoshBorke | i dunno, just repearting what I heard :) |
| 00:04.37 | End | :GetScale() is only the scale compared to its parent |
| 00:04.46 | End | not sure if it matters here |
| 00:04.58 | End | because I' |
| 00:04.59 | End | er |
| 00:05.05 | End | I'm not really paying attention ;p |
| 00:06.13 | Industrial | someone get on the Hellfire horde guild and make me officer |
| 00:06.22 | Industrial | im being pmed daily to invite ppl |
| 00:06.23 | Industrial | :p |
| 00:07.22 | pastamancer | what, you can't inivte people to TargetUnit? |
| 00:07.32 | ckknight | Industrial, you just need to be a member |
| 00:07.33 | ckknight | for some reason. |
| 00:07.39 | Industrial | really? |
| 00:07.42 | ckknight | Cairenn made it so you have to be a member to invite. |
| 00:07.45 | Industrial | (i didnt even try) |
| 00:07.46 | Industrial | oh |
| 00:07.49 | Industrial | :< |
| 00:08.15 | Industrial | You dont have permission to do that. |
| 00:08.25 | Industrial | touche :D |
| 00:08.28 | ScytheBlade1 | HOLY CRAP |
| 00:08.37 | ScytheBlade1 | 950kB/sec on the patch torrent |
| 00:08.43 | cladhaire | this mmoupdate.com guy wants me to code his website for him |
| 00:09.05 | End | haha |
| 00:09.07 | cladhaire | *boggle* |
| 00:09.10 | cladhaire | after we broke him |
| 00:09.30 | zenzelezz | well you're obviously a 1337 hax0r |
| 00:09.34 | Industrial | lol |
| 00:10.12 | Industrial | hey you a good coder monkey? want to earn a buck? *carrot on a stick* |
| 00:10.30 | cladhaire | ik'm a great coder monkey |
| 00:10.34 | cladhaire | =) |
| 00:10.41 | Guillotine | wait, why would he want you to code it for him? |
| 00:10.43 | Guillotine | it worked fine |
| 00:10.49 | End | lol |
| 00:10.49 | Guillotine | it was the content that was the problem |
| 00:10.51 | Kaligar | looks like they changed some skills around for hunters |
| 00:11.44 | Kaso | hmm, i think something has changed with tooltips... |
| 00:14.27 | Pup | hm, i dont suppose there is anyone that would be looking to take on a mod for redeveloping for tbc? |
| 00:14.53 | cogwheel | kaso: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=36975623&postId=462517885&sid=1#249 |
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| 00:15.26 | cogwheel | pup: most of the people here have their own mods to worry about... |
| 00:15.27 | Guillotine | Pup: depends on the mod ;) |
| 00:15.44 | cladhaire | SO.. i almost beat Esamyn in a tree vs tree melee.. and he's 64, im' 60.. |
| 00:15.44 | Kaso | ah |
| 00:15.45 | cladhaire | O.o |
| 00:15.57 | cladhaire | zomg i won |
| 00:16.26 | Guillotine | lol |
| 00:16.27 | Guillotine | tree ftw |
| 00:16.36 | Guillotine | or was it the ents? |
| 00:16.39 | Guillotine | like, tree form or ents? |
| 00:16.40 | Pup | well, basically its a buff mod for all classes that i took on about 7 months ago when the original author stopped updating.. im just not sure if i have the time, and the 1.12 code isnt that great tbh and could do with an experienced hand to rewrite it |
| 00:16.41 | Pup | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?s=&id=4676 |
| 00:16.47 | cladhaire | it was tree versus tree |
| 00:16.49 | cladhaire | we did |
| 00:16.50 | cladhaire | i won |
| 00:16.53 | cladhaire | -4 level difference. |
| 00:17.07 | Pup | and yes cogwheel., i understand that, so would never expect it |
| 00:17.14 | cogwheel | :) |
| 00:17.37 | Pup | just that i think its a great mod, although im not sure if it will be possible to convert all of it anyway with the changes |
| 00:17.39 | Guillotine | cladhaire: their both trees! is it resto trees or balance trees? |
| 00:17.51 | Guillotine | Pup: it should be convertable to be usable out of combat I believe |
| 00:17.55 | Pup | aye |
| 00:17.59 | cladhaire | resto |
| 00:18.00 | Pup | i could do that easy enough |
| 00:18.03 | cladhaire | only meleel |
| 00:18.42 | End | if they hadn't moved insect swarm, you could've used that ;p |
| 00:18.42 | Pup | and much of it could be converted to work in combat, apart from the hiding/showing of buff buttons when the buff is cast/expired as far as i can tell |
| 00:19.26 | Industrial | how do i turn the fricking devtools window off |
| 00:19.28 | Industrial | its bothering me |
| 00:19.32 | foxlit | Hm, makes me wonder. |
| 00:19.32 | Pup | the smart casting of group buffs also wouldnt work, but that could be easiuly changed to having it cast greaters on RMB or something |
| 00:19.57 | foxlit | Is there some sort of panic event that'll allow you to quickly adjust your interface to combat mode before everything gets locked down? |
| 00:20.04 | ag` | cladhaire: I have a question about SetBindingClick and modifier keys |
| 00:20.05 | End | yes |
| 00:20.18 | End | foxlit: PLAYER_REGEN_DISABLED I think it is |
| 00:20.42 | cladhaire | k |
| 00:20.56 | foxlit | That'd be the normal I'm getting into combat one. Can you still hide securebuttons and such when it triggers? |
| 00:21.02 | ag` | It seems to me that if you bind SetBindingClick to a frame, and you hold down a modifier key, it won't call the SHIFT-action attribute |
| 00:21.26 | End | foxlit, yes, it is sent right before the ui gets locked down |
| 00:21.37 | cladhaire | i belive that is correct |
| 00:22.38 | ag` | I think it's a bug |
| 00:22.52 | cladhaire | its possible, i'm not sure |
| 00:23.36 | cogwheel | ag`: try using lower case shift |
| 00:23.59 | ag` | cogwheel: it works if I hold down shift and click the frame |
| 00:24.15 | ag` | but if I do it through a hotkey set with SetBindingClick it won't |
| 00:24.20 | cogwheel | not surprised... |
| 00:24.44 | cogwheel | There was a bug with click bindings where moving the mouse would actually cause a drag if you were holding down a binding key... |
| 00:24.59 | ag` | that's fixed though |
| 00:25.01 | ag` | anyway |
| 00:25.11 | ag` | someone with an US forum account or contact with slouken should report it |
| 00:25.33 | ag` | I won't bother posting it on the EU forums... |
| 00:26.01 | ckknight | ag`, if you tell me the text of the post you want, I'll do it. |
| 00:26.30 | cladhaire | i don't think its a bug |
| 00:26.30 | ag` | Ok, I'll write up something tomorrow... Have to sleep now |
| 00:26.35 | cogwheel | ag`: do you have shift-<whateverthekeyis> bound to anything else? |
| 00:26.49 | ag` | no |
| 00:26.57 | ag` | cladhaire: it's meant to act that way? |
| 00:27.09 | cladhaire | i belive so |
| 00:27.12 | cladhaire | bindings eat modifiers. |
| 00:27.19 | cladhaire | since you should just bind the modified key instead |
| 00:27.27 | cladhaire | the bindings take the modifiers.. it just clicks the button |
| 00:27.39 | cogwheel | That's silly... |
| 00:27.46 | cladhaire | but I'm not sure |
| 00:27.47 | cladhaire | why? |
| 00:27.52 | cladhaire | shift-f and f are two different bindings. |
| 00:27.58 | cladhaire | and you can't modify one, because its a different binding. |
| 00:28.12 | ag` | I did try doing two different bindings |
| 00:28.20 | ag` | and it worked some beta patches ago |
| 00:28.22 | cladhaire | if you want that, then you'd need to be able to pass modifiers in the SetBindingClick, i.e. SetBindingClick("Buttonname", "LeftButton", "shift-alt") |
| 00:28.22 | ag` | but it broke |
| 00:28.23 | cladhaire | hrm |
| 00:28.29 | cladhaire | we'll pass the message on |
| 00:28.48 | ag` | I'll test it again tomorrow to be sure |
| 00:29.30 | Kaso | hmm, GetPlayerBuff now returns 0 rather than -1 as its first return when the buff doesnt exist. |
| 00:30.04 | cladhaire | ag: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=46950205&sid=1#1 |
| 00:30.15 | cladhaire | oh wait |
| 00:30.16 | cladhaire | hrm |
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| 00:32.47 | End | hmm, it appears the OnAttributeChanged handler only gets called when the value set is actually a new value |
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| 00:35.27 | MentalPower | End: same as <OnValueChanged> for the scrollframes |
| 00:35.45 | End | well, I'm using a stateheader to signal several child stateheaders |
| 00:35.54 | End | but I have an idea |
| 00:38.38 | Kaso | can someone say if GetPlayerBuff returned -1 or 0 for indecies with no buffs in 6108 |
| 00:38.51 | JoshBorke | Industrial: wow, that's fugly |
| 00:39.03 | JoshBorke | what's up with those lines? |
| 00:39.19 | Industrial | JoshBorke: wrong channel.. |
| 00:46.47 | Kaso | arg, i hate while loops, i always forget to increment |
| 00:47.16 | ckknight | use for loops? |
| 00:47.18 | foxlit | I miss inline assignment :( |
| 00:47.43 | foxlit | while (b = GetPlayerBuff(++i)) do ... end is so much prettier. |
| 00:48.51 | ckknight | ugh. |
| 00:49.01 | ckknight | that is so ungodly horrible from a design standpoint |
| 00:49.21 | End | yes! I did it! |
| 00:49.38 | ckknight | grats |
| 00:50.21 | End | :) |
| 00:50.47 | foxlit | It's compact, though, and you get everything declared at the top of the block. I don't see what's so horrible |
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| 01:03.31 | Thunder_Child | $targat3$G1 |
| 01:03.40 | Guillotine | huh? |
| 01:03.44 | Thunder_Child | mt |
| 01:09.19 | Tem | targAt? |
| 01:09.31 | Kirkburn | My poor staff! They changed the graphic for it :( |
| 01:09.51 | Kirkburn | It's now a long greeny stick, rather than funky crystals |
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| 01:11.06 | zenzelezz | what staff is that? |
| 01:11.11 | Thunder_Child | you know, you should beable to /who by account tname...freakin alts.. |
| 01:11.26 | ckknight | Tem, Stargate SG1 |
| 01:12.06 | Kirkburn | zenzelezz, don't recall, just looking at the login screen atm :P |
| 01:12.12 | Tem | oh wow |
| 01:12.14 | zenzelezz | and here I was thinking he meant "target 3, group 1" |
| 01:12.17 | Kirkburn | I notice that my BEs cloak is now broken |
| 01:12.26 | Kirkburn | There's a giant gap about halfway down :/ |
| 01:12.29 | Tem | I was in macro conditional mode |
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| 01:12.39 | Pup | anyone know if there are constants for players max buff and debuff limits? |
| 01:13.07 | Thunder_Child | Guillotine, are you on wow? |
| 01:13.14 | Guillotine | no |
| 01:13.17 | Thunder_Child | k |
| 01:13.18 | Guillotine | cleaning the desk |
| 01:13.25 | Thunder_Child | you desk? |
| 01:13.29 | Thunder_Child | your* |
| 01:13.35 | Guillotine | mmhmm |
| 01:13.45 | Thunder_Child | yea, that sounds far mopre fun than wow |
| 01:13.49 | Thunder_Child | more* |
| 01:13.50 | Saeris | So what's the purpose of string.match? string.find does all the same stuff. |
| 01:14.03 | Guillotine | saeris: pretty much same thing |
| 01:14.19 | Guillotine | though string.gfind is replaced with string.gmatch in TBC |
| 01:14.27 | MentalPower | Saeris: keeps you from doing _,_,some,captures,here = string.find() |
| 01:14.29 | ckknight | Saeris, string.match doesn't include the first two returns |
| 01:14.55 | MentalPower | and doesn't have the "litaral string" fourth parameter |
| 01:15.42 | Saeris | So, which is more efficient for simple existence checks? For instance, parsing various combat messages. |
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| 01:21.39 | foxlit | Assuming there's no penalty for returning variables, they should be about the same? |
| 01:22.05 | Saeris | Yeah, sounds about right. |
| 01:22.30 | Kaso | hmm, is it not relyable to call Unit functions on PLAYER_TARGET_CHANGED |
| 01:22.59 | MentalPower | you sure? |
| 01:23.15 | Industrial | need some help with scaling |
| 01:23.16 | Kaso | well no, but im getting wierd behavour |
| 01:23.30 | Industrial | GetScreenWidth() -> 960 |
| 01:23.39 | Industrial | UIParent:GetWidth() -> 960 |
| 01:23.47 | Industrial | UIParent:GetScale() -> 1 |
| 01:23.59 | Industrial | but its 1280 |
| 01:23.59 | Industrial | ... |
| 01:24.02 | Industrial | and my scaling is 0.64 |
| 01:24.12 | MentalPower | UIParent:GetEffectiveScale() |
| 01:24.16 | Industrial | also 1 |
| 01:24.32 | Kaso | isnt UIParent alsway the same dimentions |
| 01:24.39 | MentalPower | not always |
| 01:24.44 | MentalPower | well, wait |
| 01:24.55 | MentalPower | yes it should be the same dimensions |
| 01:24.55 | Industrial | i want to loop until i reach the width |
| 01:25.00 | Industrial | and it has to work on all screens |
| 01:25.53 | Industrial | ALSO 960 |
| 01:25.56 | Industrial | this is creeping me out |
| 01:26.02 | Industrial | ~stab blizzard |
| 01:26.04 | purl | ACTION runs at blizzard with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
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| 01:27.27 | Saeris | Initial testing shows string.match to be slightly faster than string.find, but to such a small degree that it clearly doesn't matter which is used. |
| 01:28.01 | Industrial | Saeris: ask in #lua; they know al sorts of things about it :P |
| 01:28.09 | cladhaire | or look at the implementation |
| 01:28.50 | cladhaire | my ref manual is in the other room, but they do different things =) |
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| 01:30.51 | Industrial | i am being tortured by apis, just... stop bothering me and let me weite my business logic damn you RAWR |
| 01:30.52 | Kirkburn | zenzelezz, it's my Cenarion Naturalist's Staff |
| 01:31.01 | Kirkburn | The old design wasn't appropriate anyway :P |
| 01:31.58 | Kirkburn | Wish they'd changed the shoulder design as well though :/ I have the Slavehandler Amice of the Eagle, and it looks AWFUL. Purple with lime green lining |
| 01:37.07 | Kaso | hmm, seems http://beta.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1254917&sid=1 still isnt fixed |
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| 01:40.15 | Garoun|Loupana | anyone getting a lmem crash after the patch today? |
| 01:40.29 | ckknight | Garoun|Loupana, delete your blizzard addons from your interface folder. |
| 01:40.31 | wereHamster | lmem crash? |
| 01:40.52 | Garoun|Loupana | thanks, time to try again |
| 01:41.04 | Garoun|Loupana | hard crash in wow.exe :P hamster |
| 01:41.53 | Garoun|Loupana | and I need to try and beg you to rename Serenity on the ace svn wereHamster :P |
| 01:42.08 | Garoun|Loupana | I accidently overwrote my copy of serenity no less then 3 times hehe |
| 01:42.27 | Saeris | The source reveals why string.match is ever so slightly faster. The two of them call the same function, but string.find passes an argument that causes the function to check for the presence of a fourth argument (the "plain" boolean). |
| 01:44.22 | Garoun|Loupana | hmm, still crashed time to try one more thing |
| 01:48.21 | Garoun|Loupana | interesting, the disable All and enable all don't work in teh addon interface |
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| 02:01.16 | Kaso | Why does my frame look so much crappier in TBC |
| 02:01.27 | Kaso | http://kasoo.net/img/imgs/tbc.jpg |
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| 02:01.40 | Garoun|Loupana | I'm still trying to track down which mod is causing a memory leak and blowing up wow :( |
| 02:02.36 | Thunder_Child | Kaso, the graphics are not optimised yet? |
| 02:02.45 | Kaso | hm? |
| 02:02.51 | Industrial | ugh this bloodelf scar story is so emo |
| 02:03.23 | cladhaire | lol |
| 02:03.27 | cladhaire | go cut your lawn |
| 02:03.28 | Thunder_Child | i dunno...that was out my ass. Did it sound good? |
| 02:03.42 | Kaso | ha |
| 02:03.58 | Industrial | Kaso: yes it does, btw |
| 02:04.08 | Industrial | Kaso: as if there is no antialiasing |
| 02:04.24 | Kaso | its the same code, with the same graphics settings in wow |
| 02:04.33 | Industrial | dun dun DUN |
| 02:04.34 | Thunder_Child | maybe the same code |
| 02:04.39 | Thunder_Child | they could have changed some |
| 02:05.36 | Kaso | ok, maybe i should re-phrase |
| 02:05.51 | Kaso | how do i make my blip look nice in tbc |
| 02:06.11 | Thunder_Child | oh, well thats far past my BS answers |
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| 02:11.49 | Industrial | Anyone here good with scaling? |
| 02:12.10 | ScytheBlade1 | lol, decursive version 2: /cast [target=mouseover,help] Remove Lesser Curse |
| 02:12.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Spam a button and wave your mouse like mad |
| 02:13.19 | Thunder_Child | heh |
| 02:13.39 | foxlit | Curiously, it'll probably be less chaotic |
| 02:13.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Indeed |
| 02:14.04 | foxlit | Assuming that the way guilds deal with lack of automatic decursing is to assign groups, you really don't have to do much. |
| 02:14.20 | Kaso | well i always find that wow lags pretty bad when you try to spam dispell magic on people without magical debuffs |
| 02:14.31 | foxlit | collisions, too. |
| 02:14.42 | Thunder_Child | i wonder if you can put a wait command on it to make it sticky to the mouse untill the event happens |
| 02:16.27 | ScytheBlade1 | What's the command to make a macro /cast cast on the next thing you target? |
| 02:16.38 | ScytheBlade1 | /target [target=none] ? |
| 02:16.42 | ScytheBlade1 | erm |
| 02:16.46 | ScytheBlade1 | /cast [target=none] ? |
| 02:16.47 | foxlit | Clear target and /cast if selfcast isn't on? |
| 02:17.07 | ScytheBlade1 | If I click decurse without a target, it lets me target someone to decurse |
| 02:17.52 | foxlit | watch for unitframes with togglable decurse buttons, I say. |
| 02:18.21 | Thunder_Child | then you are spending more tile looking at the frames instaid of the game....wish there was a nice balance |
| 02:18.43 | foxlit | Depends on the encounter design, always. |
| 02:18.46 | Thunder_Child | woah...seriously bad typing there |
| 02:19.28 | foxlit | Take Noth, for example -- he uses a moderate amount of debuffs, but only once in a while. You can wait for the animation and then look at the unitframes. |
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| 02:21.16 | Kirkburn | Wow, so there's a total of 13 rogues on the entire EU Tempest Keep server :/ |
| 02:22.08 | foxlit | 2.0.3: Rogues stealth mode now affects /who results. |
| 02:22.14 | Kirkburn | haha |
| 02:22.29 | Kirkburn | Oh, and FIVE warlocks |
| 02:22.31 | Kaligar | lol really |
| 02:22.33 | Kirkburn | On the entire server |
| 02:22.40 | Kirkburn | One of which is me! |
| 02:22.42 | haste | Kirkburn: alliance.....! |
| 02:22.42 | Guillotine | foxlit: are you serious? |
| 02:23.00 | foxlit | No, I'm not :) |
| 02:23.01 | Kirkburn | Okay, just on the alliance side |
| 02:23.08 | haste | Kirkburn: yeh, 8 warlocks online hrode |
| 02:23.11 | Guillotine | I was going to say... |
| 02:23.16 | haste | Kirkburn: and ten rogues! |
| 02:23.22 | Kirkburn | Woah! Busy :O |
| 02:23.39 | foxlit | Tempest Keep would be EU, and it's 3am :P |
| 02:23.48 | haste | Indeed |
| 02:25.00 | DrDre | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=47300962&sid=1 < lol guy trying to say wowglider isnt bad? |
| 02:25.18 | Kirkburn | 3am it may be, but there's still only about 150 people online on the entire server :/ |
| 02:26.10 | foxlit | "The use of a form of spyware by blizzard, called the warden. " |
| 02:26.31 | nymbia | that you agree to use when you click the little 'accept' button |
| 02:26.34 | foxlit | People mentioning warden should be required to pass some sort of test for understanding of what it does |
| 02:26.43 | Kaso | haha yes |
| 02:26.51 | foxlit | "zomg, it's called warden, and it's teh evilz!" |
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| 02:27.13 | Kaso | OMG IT READS ALL YOUR DATA AND UPLOADS IT TO BLIZZARDS SECRET SPY SATALITE THEN THEY SELL IT TO THE RUSSIANS! |
| 02:27.21 | Kaso | true story |
| 02:27.22 | nymbia | hahaha |
| 02:28.49 | Thunder_Child | yea, wardens a cat..... |
| 02:29.46 | foxlit | "Think of the Warden as White Blood cells, they protect you and Blizzard. Yes they are a germ, but they're a good germ and you shouldn't worry unless you're an infection or are causing harm of some sort. " |
| 02:30.23 | nymbia | rofl |
| 02:30.25 | nymbia | "well the warden gets to rip your system of all its data." |
| 02:30.34 | Tain | I understand exactly what it does and I don't like it. At all. |
| 02:30.38 | foxlit | I like this model of our immune system. |
| 02:30.42 | Tain | But I accept it as a necessity to play the game. |
| 02:31.06 | Tain | Begrudgingly. |
| 02:31.12 | Tain | And with much bitter bile. |
| 02:32.03 | Tain | And its not a white blood cell. It's a hired mercenary who you have no choice but to trust won't turn on you and kill your family. |
| 02:32.57 | nymbia | wow, this guy |
| 02:32.59 | nymbia | "Now, make the decision for yourself, when you run warcraft. How much do you trust that towel head over seas with your personal information?" |
| 02:33.00 | Thunder_Child | why should you be worried about it if you have nothing to hide |
| 02:33.13 | Thunder_Child | it's that big brother thing all over again |
| 02:33.16 | foxlit | A better analogy would be antibiotics, but, eh, that wasn't the point of the quote. I pointing more at white blood cells being called a germ. |
| 02:33.18 | Tain | That will never be a valid point of view, Thunder_Child. |
| 02:33.45 | Tain | Having nothing to hide is mutually exclusive to wanting to have privacy. |
| 02:34.08 | ScytheBlade1 | I really, really wonder what their policy on /cast [target=mouseover,help,nodead] Remove Lesser Curse is. |
| 02:34.09 | Kaso | what? |
| 02:34.12 | Tain | Warden is part of the game, I want to play the game more than I want to be pissed about warden. |
| 02:34.12 | foxlit | Which pretty much disqualifies the rest of the statement from being taken seriously. |
| 02:34.14 | foxlit | Does not follow. |
| 02:34.23 | Tain | But that doesn't make it ok. |
| 02:34.32 | foxlit | Scythe: I don't see a problem, really. |
| 02:34.42 | Kaso | ScytheBlade1 if its doable with the UI then its ok, like it's always been, if they dont like it theyll remove it |
| 02:34.45 | nymbia | it's about as much of a threat to privacy as any given anti-virus program, really. the only difference is, it's not voluntary. |
| 02:35.24 | Tain | Sort of. Most antivirus programs don't communicate back what they're checking to a central server. |
| 02:35.44 | foxlit | As far as I understand this, what blizzard at most gets is hashes of the currently running processes/window names. |
| 02:35.49 | nymbia | warden doesn't communicate unless it gets a hit |
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| 02:36.25 | foxlit | That's acceptable to me -- I probably leak more information while randomly browsing the internet. |
| 02:36.30 | Tain | It boils down to only having Blizzard's word that Warden doesn't send back anything else. It *could* send back anything and people are simply accepting it. |
| 02:36.42 | foxlit | You're running Blizzard's binary code. |
| 02:36.51 | foxlit | It could do anything. I don't see how Warden is a problem once you're running WoW. |
| 02:37.02 | Thunder_Child | there is a program to check what warden is checking |
| 02:37.05 | nymbia | you can watch your net traffic, watch the process's activity. |
| 02:37.20 | Thunder_Child | but as it is concidered 3rd party you can be banned for it |
| 02:37.27 | Tain | Governor will montior Warden and tell you what its doing. |
| 02:38.08 | Tain | It doesn't matter really. People will take any limitation of their rights for some candy. |
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| 02:38.20 | Tain | In this case the candy is WoW and we all nod happily along. |
| 02:38.20 | foxlit | There's nothing they could do about router-level sniffing anyway. |
| 02:38.40 | Thunder_Child | Tain, not everyone conciders it a big deal |
| 02:39.15 | foxlit | Plus there's a certain amount of trust involved. |
| 02:40.17 | Tain | Not everyone considers having civil liberties a big deal too. |
| 02:40.23 | Tain | But I don't let that limit my view. |
| 02:41.35 | Tain | Really if we were going to go by what "everyone" thinks the world would be chaos. The vast majority think whatever the last commercial they heard tells them to. |
| 02:43.43 | foxlit | The last statement there is iffy. |
| 02:44.23 | Thunder_Child | yea...i'm not sure where you got everyone from |
| 02:44.48 | Kirkburn | It's cynical, but to an extent, true |
| 02:44.55 | Tain | <Thunder_Child> Tain, not everyone conciders it a big deal |
| 02:45.55 | Tain | Individuals exhibit intelligence. "Everyone" are morons. |
| 02:46.15 | foxlit | Again, unsupported. |
| 02:46.37 | Tain | Arguable, but not unsupported. |
| 02:47.08 | Thunder_Child | no, i have to agree with Tain on the moron one |
| 02:47.45 | Thunder_Child | groups have a colective int of...well.....very low |
| 02:48.01 | Tain | I'm not saying my opinion the one true opinion. There's plenty of room for debate. But to say it's unsupported I disagee with. |
| 02:48.52 | Thunder_Child | it might have been proven |
| 02:48.56 | foxlit | s/unsupported/did not explicitly support through reasoning above. |
| 02:49.20 | foxlit | Does purl have long term memory problems, or am I messing up the syntax? |
| 02:49.45 | Thunder_Child | need to have a trailing / |
| 02:57.34 | End | hrm |
| 02:57.45 | End | SetBindingClick() isn't doing what I want |
| 02:57.54 | End | actually, it doesn't seem to be doing anything at all |
| 03:02.52 | End | oh, my binding is getting unset somehow |
| 03:02.52 | Guillotine | awww, druids were re-nerfed :( |
| 03:03.13 | End | yup |
| 03:03.13 | Guillotine | now we've gone from overpowered to slightly underpowered. still much better than now though |
| 03:04.01 | Tem | nerfed from what? |
| 03:04.10 | Tem | what was overpowered that they nerfed? |
| 03:04.10 | End | from using potions and consumables |
| 03:04.15 | Guillotine | yup |
| 03:04.21 | Tem | oh |
| 03:04.28 | Tem | potions in forms would be rediculous |
| 03:04.36 | Guillotine | and LoTP went from 6% heal to 4% heal |
| 03:04.40 | Guillotine | imp LoTP |
| 03:04.45 | Tem | LoTP? |
| 03:05.01 | End | the only part that bothers me is I can't eat food in forms |
| 03:05.07 | End | I can understand no potions |
| 03:05.20 | End | but I don't understand why I can't enjoy a nice juicy steak |
| 03:05.22 | Tem | lack of opposable thumbs and stuff |
| 03:05.35 | Tem | but yeah, I agree |
| 03:05.35 | End | hey, I can eat with no hands! |
| 03:05.48 | Tem | travel form + free action potion = win |
| 03:05.53 | Guillotine | indeed |
| 03:06.00 | Guillotine | I'm just dissapointed with the leader of the pack change |
| 03:06.06 | Tem | what change? |
| 03:06.07 | Guillotine | as well as not eating in forms |
| 03:06.12 | End | yeah |
| 03:06.19 | Guillotine | it went from 6% heal to 4% |
| 03:06.23 | End | no potions I can understand, but not no eating |
| 03:06.28 | Tem | what heal? |
| 03:06.29 | End | and I'm not sure why they nerfed lotp |
| 03:06.42 | foxlit | Aren't pots that way on live? |
| 03:06.46 | Guillotine | tem: I meant improved leader of the pack |
| 03:06.58 | Guillotine | foxlit: ya, but for a while on beta we could use potions in forms |
| 03:07.04 | Guillotine | I hope weapon procs still occur |
| 03:07.05 | End | basically party members get a little heal when they get critted |
| 03:07.11 | Guillotine | no, when they crit |
| 03:07.23 | End | procs don't work anymore either from what I hear |
| 03:07.28 | Guillotine | NOOOOOOOOO |
| 03:07.40 | Guillotine | so we're back to no real useful enchants for druids :/ |
| 03:07.44 | End | yeah |
| 03:07.47 | Guillotine | meta gems better work |
| 03:07.52 | Guillotine | the on hit ones |
| 03:08.18 | End | agility is really the -only- enchant for weapon that even means anything |
| 03:08.18 | Guillotine | I'd go for strength instead |
| 03:08.19 | End | I'd really like strength as well |
| 03:08.20 | Guillotine | twice as much AP |
| 03:08.30 | End | but the only strength one is crusader, and that's a proc :( |
| 03:08.30 | Guillotine | but I was so looking forward to crusader in cat |
| 03:09.37 | Industrial | cladhaire: ping |
| 03:09.43 | cladhaire | hi |
| 03:09.51 | Guillotine | WRONG. its "pong" |
| 03:09.53 | Guillotine | noob |
| 03:10.06 | Guillotine | bbiab :) |
| 03:11.22 | Guillotine | btw, cladhaire, you're slacking. 9th on the list yesterday. http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/wowi-lounge.html.gz |
| 03:11.29 | cladhaire | lol |
| 03:11.55 | End | even I was higher on the list! |
| 03:11.58 | End | muahaha |
| 03:12.00 | End | I win again |
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| 03:12.49 | Thunder_Child | purl has quite a potty mouth. 0.8% words were foul language. |
| 03:12.51 | Thunder_Child | End also makes sailors blush, 0.4% of the time. |
| 03:12.55 | End | lol |
| 03:13.29 | MentalPower | Wohoo! "Is MentalPower stupid or just asking too many questions? 35% lines contained a question! " lol |
| 03:14.00 | End | MentalPower, that's another question right there! |
| 03:14.12 | Thunder_Child | heh |
| 03:14.12 | MentalPower | yup |
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| 03:14.45 | Thunder_Child | Corrodias's quote: "those silly druids, wanting to be useful" |
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| 03:23.01 | Kirkburn | Bloody hell, you have got to watch this chase scene: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAD8xffSBT0 |
| 03:27.51 | Kaligar | hes like the escape magyver |
| 03:28.20 | End | lol yeah |
| 03:28.22 | Garoun|Loupana | found the memory crash culprit |
| 03:28.26 | Garoun|Loupana | ElkBuffbar |
| 03:28.46 | Kirkburn | Awesome, the Treeform dance! http://www.wcradio.com/imba/treeform.wmv |
| 03:29.21 | Kaligar | link no work |
| 03:29.27 | MentalPower | yah it does |
| 03:29.32 | MentalPower | I'm DL'ing it |
| 03:29.49 | Kirkburn | Let's just say ... it's very 50s :P |
| 03:30.17 | Kaligar | saying server not found for me |
| 03:30.55 | Kirkburn | Can't help you, works for me :/ |
| 03:32.01 | Kaligar | hmm dns server must be down |
| 03:35.04 | MentalPower | ~dns www.wcradio.com |
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| 03:49.34 | End | so, anyone know why my SetBindingClick() might be getting undone at startup? it works if I run it after startup, but not during |
| 03:50.34 | End | (I did hook all the binding functions, but I'm the only one doing anything...) |
| 03:51.11 | End | well, I moved it to PEW, and it works now |
| 03:51.25 | End | I wonder why it was getting unset when I was doing it earlier |
| 03:53.38 | Thunder_Child | this is gonna be a LONG AV game, both "gods" are up |
| 03:53.55 | End | ivus and lok? |
| 03:54.07 | Thunder_Child | yea |
| 03:54.15 | Thunder_Child | practacly at the same time |
| 04:07.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm |
| 04:07.20 | ScytheBlade1 | We have DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME, what's the equal for the combat log? |
| 04:08.36 | ckknight | ChatFrame2 |
| 04:08.56 | Garoun|Loupana | isn't Randomuse in now? |
| 04:09.10 | ckknight | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:10.48 | zenzelezz | what does that do? o_O |
| 04:11.08 | ckknight | given a list of thingies, it uses a random one. |
| 04:11.18 | foxlit | ckk: always? |
| 04:11.20 | Garoun|Loupana | for mounts, not so good :P |
| 04:11.22 | ckknight | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:11.42 | Garoun|Loupana | it doesn't properly cancel the mount you're on all the time if it picks a wrong one |
| 04:11.45 | foxlit | I mean, you could theoretically move the combat log around. Would it still be 2 after a reload? |
| 04:12.12 | MentalPower | no |
| 04:12.32 | MentalPower | ChatFrame2 is the *usual* combatLog |
| 04:12.49 | MentalPower | if the user moves it to ChatFrame7, then you're screwed |
| 04:13.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Gotcha |
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| 04:20.49 | KaoS` | 2 |
| 04:20.57 | zenzelezz | 3 |
| 04:21.04 | nymbia | 7 |
| 04:21.16 | MentalPower | 42 |
| 04:21.48 | Esamynn | MentalPower wins! |
| 04:21.57 | MentalPower | woot! |
| 04:22.42 | ckknight | a bajillion. |
| 04:22.50 | MentalPower | a google |
| 04:22.55 | ckknight | a googleplex |
| 04:23.00 | foxlit | googleplexplex? |
| 04:23.05 | Miravlix | So did they give beta keys to all 7 million wow users now? |
| 04:23.12 | ckknight | no, Miravlix |
| 04:23.18 | ckknight | foxlit, not sure about that. |
| 04:23.26 | ckknight | 10^googul = googulplex |
| 04:23.38 | ckknight | not sure googulplexplex is actually defined as a real thing. |
| 04:23.48 | Miravlix | Aah, I got a key some time ago |
| 04:23.52 | foxlit | googolplexplex = 10^googolplex |
| 04:24.10 | ckknight | whatever. |
| 04:24.13 | ckknight | I stopped caring |
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| 04:25.25 | Miravlix | I haven't played for a few months now, but BC is installing now, just to see if I should cancel my pre-order or what |
| 04:26.34 | Miravlix | And why do I mention that on wowi, well because the Addon changes is the corner stone of me continueing to be able to have fun |
| 04:27.23 | ckknight | hehe |
| 04:28.17 | Miravlix | I see they still haven't learned to write installers, still takes 7 hours after the al day download |
| 04:30.12 | Industrial | what addon |
| 04:30.29 | Miravlix | Addon? |
| 04:30.49 | Industrial | well because the Addon changes is the corner stone of me continueing to be able to have fun |
| 04:32.24 | Miravlix | I didn't care after they wanted to make it a fps, so I don't know |
| 04:32.45 | zenzelezz | now that's an interesting statement |
| 04:33.37 | Miravlix | So the test is whatever they made it a FPS or a MMORPG really |
| 04:33.58 | ckknight | I'm in class, and kinda want to play WoW right now... |
| 04:34.23 | Industrial | you can play with my ... |
| 04:34.25 | Industrial | never mind |
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| 04:36.05 | Miravlix | Any good addon changes with BC? |
| 04:36.52 | haste | not that I can think of |
| 04:37.05 | haste | oh, it's kinda good that they killed Decursive :D |
| 04:37.18 | Miravlix | That sucks |
| 04:37.31 | Miravlix | Thats part of the MMORPG with FPS rules shit I don't like |
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| 04:41.02 | Shadowed | erm |
| 04:41.30 | Shadowed | Isn't the client suppose to silently rename any FrameXML folders to FrameXML.old instead of saying it's corrupt and exiting? |
| 04:42.12 | cogwheel | afaik... |
| 04:42.39 | Jaxine | my guild has gluth down |
| 04:42.41 | Jaxine | but not c'thu |
| 04:42.42 | Jaxine | n |
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| 04:43.05 | Shadowed | it's not that big of a deal Jaxine, although C'Thun does teach some stuff thats an advantage later into naxx |
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| 04:48.04 | thezanke | how do i make it so i can repick my server right when i login in beta? becaus ei tried to go to PTR and it logged me out and now when i log in it tries to go to PTR and then logs me out |
| 04:48.39 | MentalPower | delete (or edit) your config.wtf file |
| 04:49.14 | Miravlix | 4 days to copy my char to the beta server. too funny. :p |
| 04:52.44 | Jaxine | thezanke, look into yoru config files |
| 04:54.15 | thezanke | ty |
| 04:54.36 | End | ok, time to actually do a little questing |
| 04:54.43 | End | that outta uncover some bugs in my AddOn |
| 04:54.49 | Jaxine | thezanke, may have to delete some files |
| 04:54.54 | Jaxine | ie, wtf/wdb |
| 04:55.26 | thezanke | WTB autoprofit beta ... pst |
| 04:56.01 | thezanke | btw if anyone else has the same prob... all i had to do was delete the servername entry in my config,wtf |
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| 05:26.46 | Shadowed | so, apparently i'm missing something. But to make a button target somebody, you make it inherit SecureAnchorButtonTemplate, set the attribute type to target, and the unit to the unit you want to target. and on click it's suppose to target the unit? |
| 05:26.56 | End | yes |
| 05:27.04 | Shadowed | okay |
| 05:27.25 | End | wait |
| 05:27.25 | End | no |
| 05:27.34 | End | SecureActionButtonTemplate |
| 05:27.36 | End | not Anchor |
| 05:27.58 | Shadowed | indeed |
| 05:28.16 | End | lol |
| 05:29.45 | Jaxine | ptr down? bummer |
| 05:33.50 | ckknight | maybe it is not the secureheaders you hate, but yourself |
| 05:33.54 | ckknight | which means... |
| 05:33.55 | ckknight | ~wrists |
| 05:34.04 | purl | Remember, emo kids, it's down the street, not across the road! http://www.saunalahti.fi/maut0n/makeitcount.jpg |
| 05:34.37 | Shadowed | no, i'm pretty sure it's the headers |
| 05:35.04 | End | my biggest complaint against secureheaders is they need to be the parent of stuff they are managing |
| 05:38.13 | Jaxine | karazhan open on the beta |
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| 05:41.27 | Shadowed | Create a button through XML, inherit set to SecureUnitButtonTemplate. Set attributes type = target, unit = unit to target. Click on the button, it targets the unit....and now to figure out why it wont |
| 05:43.03 | Guillotine | g2g, gn all :) |
| 05:43.10 | Thunder_Child | night Guillotine |
| 05:45.02 | Shadowed | hmmm wonder how long I can go before my guild realises I didn't actually update the mod for TBC yet |
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| 05:46.58 | End | hmm |
| 05:47.05 | End | warlock dots are insane |
| 05:47.59 | Saeris | When hooking things like a ChatFrame's AddMessage method, should one use hooksecurefunc? |
| 05:48.33 | Shadowed | not if you're trying to block or edit messages |
| 05:49.04 | Shadowed | securehook (I believe) is so we can hook secured functions like movement, and react to them, but not modify or takeover the event. |
| 05:50.00 | End | securehook let's you hook anything free of taint it seems like |
| 05:50.16 | End | er I mean, it won't taint what you are hooking |
| 05:50.18 | ckknight | hooksecurefunc |
| 05:50.34 | ckknight | Ace2's is :SecureHook, mind you |
| 05:52.30 | Saeris | Tainting only matters if it is on code that operates on secured actions like targeting and casting, then? Should one generally try to use hooksecurefunc whenever possible anyway, as a precautionary measure? |
| 05:52.48 | Shadowed | well...mouse over works but clicking still doesn't. |
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| 05:54.39 | Tem | It should be noted that in comparison to a typical function hook, hooksecurefunc is considerably more expensive |
| 05:54.50 | Saeris | Oh? Duly noted. |
| 05:54.51 | Shadowed | Why's that |
| 05:54.59 | Tem | there are a lot of things it needs to do in the backend to do what it does |
| 05:55.05 | Shadowed | ah |
| 05:56.54 | Saeris | I guess I'm just not really seeing where one would use it, then. Just things like CastSpell and TargetUnit? |
| 05:57.00 | Tem | no |
| 05:57.10 | Tem | well |
| 05:57.12 | Tem | ok |
| 05:57.33 | Tem | ANYTIME you need to hook a protected function (something addons can't call) you need to use hooksecurefunc |
| 05:58.00 | Saeris | Alrighty, that's a lot more specific. |
| 05:58.18 | Tem | there are some cases where you need to use it on blizzard lua functions too |
| 05:58.26 | Saeris | Like ChatFrame_OnEvent? |
| 05:58.29 | Tem | no |
| 05:59.05 | Tem | ChatFrame_OnEvent got some interesting changes in today's patch |
| 05:59.09 | Shadowed | ? |
| 05:59.39 | End | yeah, ckknight found out you can hook it now |
| 05:59.45 | End | but I don't know what actually changed |
| 05:59.47 | Shadowed | You cannot use hooksecurefunc to overwrite a function, eg, you can't make a mod like auto-insignia that reacts on a movement key click. You can however make a mod that prints out "Hi" everytime they use the movement key |
| 05:59.48 | End | I should look |
| 05:59.57 | ckknight | I know, I told the unwashed masses earlier today |
| 05:59.57 | Jaxine | PTR might be coming back up |
| 06:00.05 | ckknight | I'm currently hooking ChatFrame_MessageEventHandler |
| 06:00.40 | Jaxine | /cast [dummy] Blessing of Protection; [help]; [harm,target=targettarget] Blessing of Protection |
| 06:00.45 | Jaxine | er |
| 06:01.02 | Jaxine | /cast [dummy] Blessing of Protection; [help]; [help,target=targettarget] Blessing of Protection |
| 06:01.07 | Jaxine | will that do what i think it will do? |
| 06:01.18 | Tem | not in the current beta |
| 06:01.30 | Jaxine | do nothing if i have a friendly targetted, BOP a hostile's target (if friendly) |
| 06:01.46 | Tem | oh, no that won't de what you want |
| 06:01.55 | Jaxine | what will [help]; do? |
| 06:02.17 | Tem | target=<unit> specifies the unit used in all checks as well as the spell's target |
| 06:02.23 | Jaxine | correct tem |
| 06:03.16 | Jaxine | if i have a hostile targetted, and they have a target that is friendly to me |
| 06:03.19 | Jaxine | it will BOP them, right? |
| 06:03.26 | Jaxine | since targettarget is friendly |
| 06:03.35 | Jaxine | and it will BOP targettarget |
| 06:03.37 | Tem | so you want /stopmacro [help] |
| 06:03.53 | Jaxine | won't that screw up [dummy] ? |
| 06:03.56 | Tem | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:04.01 | Jaxine | hm |
| 06:04.05 | Jaxine | what is 'exists' ? |
| 06:04.15 | Tem | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:04.16 | Saeris | Unit existence check. |
| 06:04.19 | ScytheBlade1 | If the target exists. |
| 06:04.24 | Jaxine | any type of target? |
| 06:04.35 | Tem | and you'll want a comment line to set the spell feedback |
| 06:04.49 | Tem | it defaults to "target" if none is specified |
| 06:05.20 | Jaxine | so like [dummy,target=targettarget] ? |
| 06:05.29 | Jaxine | i wish the PTR were up so i could try this |
| 06:05.43 | Neuro_Medivh | what do you mean by '?' |
| 06:05.48 | Tem | no |
| 06:05.54 | Tem | dummy doesn't exist anymore |
| 06:05.54 | Jaxine | Neuro_Medivh, interrogative |
| 06:06.12 | Neuro_Medivh | Oh, you're actually asking, you're not putting it in the macro =) |
| 06:06.12 | Jaxine | it exists on the ptr tem |
| 06:06.14 | Tem | you need a comment line to specify what spell to show feedback for |
| 06:06.22 | Tem | #show Blessing of Protection |
| 06:06.25 | Tem | oh |
| 06:06.26 | Tem | PTR |
| 06:06.28 | Tem | no idea |
| 06:06.34 | Tem | I'm talking beta |
| 06:06.41 | Neuro_Medivh | dummy needs no target |
| 06:06.44 | Neuro_Medivh | it always does false |
| 06:06.44 | Saeris | They removed dummy in today's patch? Or the one before? |
| 06:06.45 | Jaxine | TBC is still 2 months off |
| 06:06.54 | Neuro_Medivh | so /cast [dummy] Whatever |
| 06:07.16 | Jaxine | hmm |
| 06:07.19 | Jaxine | i think they should implement target with dummy |
| 06:07.23 | Jaxine | so the icon can turn red, etc |
| 06:07.24 | Neuro_Medivh | Why? |
| 06:07.44 | Neuro_Medivh | That will happen regardless |
| 06:08.00 | Jaxine | well, the way the macro works, i'd be targetting a hostile |
| 06:08.07 | Tem | spell range feedback always uses your target |
| 06:08.16 | Neuro_Medivh | Yeah, there's no way to change that really |
| 06:08.20 | Jaxine | would it be possible to do it with an addon? |
| 06:08.25 | Tem | yes |
| 06:08.25 | Neuro_Medivh | maybe |
| 06:08.33 | Jaxine | yeah, probably the best route then |
| 06:08.35 | Saeris | Did the changes to the ChatFrame make it so that activating a macro while the chat edit box is open no longer closes the edit box? |
| 06:08.43 | Tem | Saeris, yes |
| 06:09.02 | Saeris | Excerrent. |
| 06:09.06 | Jaxine | i'd also want more checks to make sure i don't accidentally BOP myself if my target has me targetted |
| 06:09.28 | Jaxine | so... [target=self]; |
| 06:09.39 | Neuro_Medivh | Jaxine, what exactly do you want it to do? |
| 06:09.41 | Jaxine | or /stopmacro [target=self]] |
| 06:09.52 | Jaxine | let's say i'm a paladin tank |
| 06:10.00 | Jaxine | and i'll be attacking a hostile |
| 06:10.10 | Tem | you can't do a UnitIsUnit check |
| 06:10.11 | Jaxine | and a mage pulls aggro, i want to hit that BOP button |
| 06:10.25 | Jaxine | and it will BOP the mage, not myself, and not lose my current target |
| 06:10.36 | Saeris | What's the name of that new blessing that forces aggro onto the paladin from the blessing target? |
| 06:10.40 | Jaxine | righteous defense |
| 06:10.46 | Saeris | Ah, righto. |
| 06:11.14 | Jaxine | this is what i'm using currently on the PTR for that, saeris: /cast [dummy] Righteous Defense; [help] Righteous Defense; [help,target=targettarget] Righteous Defense |
| 06:12.13 | Neuro_Medivh | There's not currently any check for that, and I can't think of any way to fool it. |
| 06:12.27 | Saeris | Yeah, I think that's more intelligence than a macro is allowed. |
| 06:12.50 | Tem | it would be stupidly simple to add |
| 06:13.02 | Neuro_Medivh | But I doubt they would allow it |
| 06:13.14 | Tem | I can't think of a way to exploit it |
| 06:13.47 | Neuro_Medivh | it's against what they want though |
| 06:14.01 | Tem | how so? |
| 06:14.08 | Neuro_Medivh | Ok, lets say you have a check |
| 06:14.14 | Neuro_Medivh | lets call it "noplayer" |
| 06:14.24 | Neuro_Medivh | or "self" and "noself" |
| 06:14.34 | Tem | the only time it matters is when messing with targettarget |
| 06:15.07 | Tem | and while yes it's not "directly controlled by the player" it seems fine to me |
| 06:15.43 | Neuro_Medivh | so /cast [target=targettarget,self] Bloodrage; Taunt |
| 06:16.01 | Neuro_Medivh | as long as my target is on me, it casts bloodrage |
| 06:16.03 | Saeris | Should ask Slouken to ask the devs, maybe. |
| 06:16.03 | Neuro_Medivh | or fails |
| 06:16.12 | Neuro_Medivh | if my target changes, it goes to taunt |
| 06:16.23 | Neuro_Medivh | er, if I am no longer my target's target |
| 06:16.27 | Jaxine | 001212 <Neuro_Medivh> There's not currently any check for that, |
| 06:16.27 | Neuro_Medivh | then it taunts instead |
| 06:16.30 | Jaxine | check for what? |
| 06:16.34 | Tem | hmm |
| 06:16.38 | Tem | you might be right Ne |
| 06:16.41 | Tem | uro |
| 06:16.47 | Neuro_Medivh | to compare one unit with another |
| 06:17.13 | Neuro_Medivh | i.e. there's currently no way for the macro to know if the target=unit is equal to another unit |
| 06:17.50 | Tem | (btw, the syntax would be /cast [harm,target=targettarget,isunit:player] Taunt; Bloodrage) |
| 06:18.03 | Neuro_Medivh | nod |
| 06:18.08 | Saeris | Is the macro parsing code implemented in a Lua file somewhere or is it hidden? |
| 06:18.17 | Tem | it's in ChatFrame.lua |
| 06:18.27 | Neuro_Medivh | Tem, reverse taunt and bloodrage, but yeah |
| 06:18.29 | Tem | look around line 600 |
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| 06:18.39 | Neuro_Medivh | and remove harm |
| 06:18.41 | Saeris | Found it, thanks |
| 06:18.49 | Neuro_Medivh | cause targettarget should be yourself |
| 06:19.10 | Tem | oh sorry Neuro_Medivh, that was supposed to be "noisunit:player" |
| 06:19.26 | Neuro_Medivh | ahh |
| 06:19.34 | Neuro_Medivh | yeah, basically |
| 06:19.50 | Neuro_Medivh | and you just tack on another command like sunder or revenge or whatever |
| 06:20.12 | Neuro_Medivh | and just spam it while tanking |
| 06:20.18 | Tem | *nod* |
| 06:21.56 | Neuro_Medivh | Hmm, 007 opens tomorrow |
| 06:28.12 | Jaxine | should be good |
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| 06:33.17 | Neuro_Medivh | Oh man, this is hysterical. this MazzleUI (which is "not ready for release just yet") has zero BC work done on it. |
| 06:34.07 | MentalPower | how is it hysterical? |
| 06:34.36 | Industrial | walking my BE to ORG |
| 06:34.37 | Industrial | :P |
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| 06:34.49 | Tem | Industrial, why bother? |
| 06:35.01 | Tem | go to silvermoon city and take the port to UC |
| 06:35.06 | Neuro_Medivh | Because it's complete vaporware |
| 06:35.09 | Tem | UC and org are practically connected |
| 06:35.11 | Garoun|Loupana | and I thought I was stretching it by exploring Blades edge at 60 |
| 06:35.13 | Industrial | are you shitting me? |
| 06:35.25 | Tem | um... no? |
| 06:35.29 | End | the horde cities are awesome...they are all connected together |
| 06:35.43 | Industrial | fucking crap im halfway wpl |
| 06:35.47 | Industrial | died 20+ times |
| 06:36.02 | Neuro_Medivh | pardon me one second... |
| 06:36.05 | Neuro_Medivh | ok, ready... |
| 06:36.08 | Neuro_Medivh | HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH! |
| 06:36.21 | Neuro_Medivh | done now. |
| 06:36.38 | Tem | Indy, healthstone |
| 06:37.01 | Industrial | im a sad panda |
| 06:37.15 | Neuro_Medivh | I think he meant hearthstone |
| 06:37.18 | Industrial | anyway |
| 06:37.20 | Neuro_Medivh | unless you're a warlock |
| 06:37.22 | Industrial | i get the exploring xp |
| 06:37.23 | Industrial | :D |
| 06:37.37 | Industrial | im still gunna go |
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| 06:52.24 | Jaxine | can druids fly to where kazzak is now? |
| 07:01.31 | Nom_ | Druids can only fly in Outland is my understanding |
| 07:03.08 | Garoun|Loupana | I think Jaxine means Lord Kazzak that spawns in outlands |
| 07:03.27 | zenzelezz | he spawns there too? |
| 07:03.29 | Garoun|Loupana | not Kazzak in the blasted lands |
| 07:03.46 | Garoun|Loupana | it's a different demon, to the best of my knowledge |
| 07:04.15 | Garoun|Loupana | he spawns in a little valley blocked off on all sides by mountains from what I've heard |
| 07:05.14 | Garoun|Loupana | bed time for me, logged off in Area 52 - Netherstorm :) at 60 was an easy 10000 xp for exploring hehe |
| 07:05.25 | Osagasu | gr. |
| 07:05.46 | End | yeah, but you need almost 600k to level |
| 07:06.04 | Cairenn | night all |
| 07:06.08 | Garoun|Loupana | well yeah, but I like exploring :) the xp was just a bonus |
| 07:06.23 | End | I'm waiting to do most of my exploring til release |
| 07:06.24 | Osagasu | night Cair |
| 07:06.29 | End | night Cairenn |
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| 07:08.47 | ckknight | hey all |
| 07:08.50 | End | hi |
| 07:09.57 | End | lol I can't help but like Xuerian's quit message |
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| 07:25.38 | Jaxine | how did Garoun|Loupana get to area 52 without flying mounts? |
| 07:26.45 | Jaxine | anyway |
| 07:26.49 | Jaxine | if druids can fly to where kazzak is now |
| 07:26.53 | Jaxine | and if they die there |
| 07:26.56 | Jaxine | how do they get back? |
| 07:27.18 | End | good quest |
| 07:27.20 | End | ion |
| 07:27.26 | End | answer: I have no idea |
| 07:27.35 | Crispix_ | Hearth? |
| 07:27.42 | End | not if you are dead |
| 07:27.53 | Jaxine | Crispix_, i assume the GY is not inside the bowled in area |
| 07:27.58 | Jaxine | and you can only get there while alive if you fly |
| 07:28.04 | Crispix_ | hmm |
| 07:28.09 | Jaxine | have any of you ever played Prey? |
| 07:28.17 | Crispix_ | yeah.. its awful |
| 07:28.20 | Nom_ | Yes. |
| 07:28.24 | Nom_ | It was...interesting |
| 07:28.26 | End | never have |
| 07:28.30 | Jaxine | there is a spirit mode in that game, and there are ways you can get around only if you're in spirit mode |
| 07:28.43 | Jaxine | special walkways you can only see/use in spirit mode |
| 07:28.45 | Nom_ | yep |
| 07:28.47 | Jaxine | what if they implemented it like that |
| 07:29.14 | Crispix_ | Prey was one of the few games they should of stopped working on to work on Duke Nukem Forever-until its release... |
| 07:30.24 | Nom_ | Duke Nukem: Forever is a myth |
| 07:30.41 | Thunder_Child | i thought prey was just a fun example of what can be done with a game |
| 07:30.45 | Crispix_ | you mean its Vaporware |
| 07:31.10 | Jaxine | Duke Nukem Forever was officially announced on April 27, 1997 |
| 07:31.34 | Crispix_ | God.. I was 16 when it was announced. |
| 07:31.38 | Crispix_ | I'm 25 now :O |
| 07:32.01 | Crispix_ | nine years... lmao |
| 07:33.02 | Crispix_ | You know.. its going to be another Dakatana. |
| 07:33.13 | Crispix_ | God help us.. that game was awful. |
| 07:36.53 | Jaxine | 9 years and 7 months almost |
| 07:37.10 | Jaxine | i remember sitting in my room with the door locked |
| 07:37.16 | Jaxine | and the latest magazine |
| 07:37.19 | Jaxine | of PC Gamer |
| 07:37.30 | Jaxine | when i was 13 |
| 07:37.57 | Crispix_ | I wonder if PC Gamer will do a cover story.. 'The apocolypse has come.. we have a reviewable copy of Duke Nukem Forever.' |
| 07:38.13 | Jaxine | april 1, 2007 |
| 07:38.16 | Jaxine | that'd work well |
| 07:38.56 | Jaxine | sooooooooooo dated |
| 07:38.56 | Jaxine | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Duke_Nukem_Screenshot2.jpg |
| 07:39.05 | Jaxine | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Duke_Nukem_Screenshot3.jpg |
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| 07:41.01 | Crispix_ | Man.. we've got 1 day, 21 hours.. :( |
| 07:41.49 | Jaxine | of what? |
| 07:42.00 | Crispix_ | Until the Wii comes out.. :( |
| 07:43.44 | Jaxine | isn't it out now? |
| 07:44.17 | Crispix_ | ps3 is |
| 07:44.22 | Crispix_ | November 19th = the wii |
| 07:44.37 | Jaxine | oh thought they were coming on the same day |
| 07:44.44 | Crispix_ | nah |
| 07:44.56 | Crispix_ | Nitnendo knows what its doing.. letting the ps3 sell out then letting everyone get the wii :D |
| 07:45.58 | Jaxine | they started devving DN4 in december of 1996 |
| 07:46.12 | Jaxine | announced they were working on it in april of 1997 |
| 07:46.27 | Jaxine | when they licensed the quake 1/2 engine for half a million dollars |
| 07:46.39 | Jaxine | then they dumped that and went for the unreal engine, that's another half million dollars there |
| 07:46.41 | Crispix_ | So technically its been 10 years eh? |
| 07:46.43 | Jaxine | yes |
| 07:46.47 | Jaxine | 10 nextmonth |
| 07:47.08 | Jaxine | about 30 people for 10 years, conservatively say $40k per person per year |
| 07:47.20 | Jaxine | that's 12 million dollars of wages? |
| 07:47.46 | Nom_ | Nah, the Duke Nukem' Dev team is one guy |
| 07:47.50 | Nom_ | And he works on it in his spare time |
| 07:47.52 | Jaxine | nah, it's more |
| 07:47.54 | Nom_ | That's why it's taken 9 years |
| 07:48.11 | Nom_ | I don't see it coming out any time soon either |
| 07:48.15 | Crispix_ | lol |
| 07:48.25 | Crispix_ | I'm going to goto bed everyone.. :) Gnight :D |
| 07:48.29 | Nom_ | I'd be surprised if it came out before 2008 |
| 07:50.33 | Jaxine | they've been working on the multiplayer part of it over the last 8 years |
| 07:50.41 | Jaxine | 8 years ago, unreal tournament was released |
| 07:51.52 | Jaxine | i wonder how many maps there'd be |
| 07:52.58 | Jaxine | http://www.gearboxsoftware.com/index.php?p=talent&bio=charliew |
| 07:53.50 | Jaxine | http://www.gamingisstupid.com/ |
| 07:55.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | the druid forums are classic right now |
| 07:56.30 | Corrodias | classic? |
| 07:57.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/board.html?forumId=10015&sid=1 |
| 07:57.20 | Corrodias | you linked me to the druid forum |
| 07:57.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | like 50 threads of people posting ascii art of the middle finger and saying FUCK YOU BLIZZARD |
| 07:58.09 | Corrodias | forums. i thought you said forms. |
| 07:58.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | ohh lol |
| 07:58.44 | Jaxine | wow, i'm glad that's staying in the druid forums |
| 07:58.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's not |
| 07:59.05 | Jaxine | or not |
| 07:59.06 | Jaxine | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/board.html?sid=1&forumId=10001 |
| 07:59.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's more than just 1 account i'd assume |
| 07:59.19 | ckknight | why are people player-hating against Blizz? |
| 07:59.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | because they crushed our dreams |
| 07:59.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | again |
| 07:59.38 | ckknight | dreams of? |
| 07:59.43 | Corrodias | basically, because druids suck, and blizzard is just making them worse |
| 07:59.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | being on par with other classes |
| 07:59.52 | Corrodias | if they're changing at all |
| 07:59.52 | Jaxine | http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k316/caine07/card.jpg |
| 08:00.32 | Grem | What happened to druids? the consumable thing? |
| 08:00.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | they nerfed imp lotp, removed consumables/procs in forms, nerfed nurturing instinct |
| 08:01.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | uh |
| 08:01.05 | Corrodias | range bug |
| 08:01.08 | Shadowed | they did? |
| 08:01.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah the range bug's still in |
| 08:01.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | no more stopping interrupts on starfire |
| 08:01.23 | Grem | lotp is what? |
| 08:01.29 | Corrodias | even i don't know what lotp is |
| 08:01.32 | Shadowed | Why did they remove consumable/procs in forms |
| 08:01.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | leader of the pack, they nerfed improved leader of the pack |
| 08:01.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | because they've got no idea what they're doing |
| 08:01.56 | Shadowed | uh huh |
| 08:02.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | druids asked for it for years |
| 08:02.05 | End | nurturing instinct wasn't an exact nerf, since it works always now |
| 08:02.05 | End | it used to only work right after shifting out |
| 08:02.05 | End | I have no idea why they nerfed imp lotp though |
| 08:02.17 | End | asked for which? |
| 08:02.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | they told us they couldn't implement those things in forms due to programming conflicts |
| 08:02.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | procs/consumables |
| 08:02.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | then they implement it, everyone asks if it's intended, no responses, |
| 08:02.40 | Nom_ | since when could druids use consumeable in shape shifted form |
| 08:02.42 | Nom_ | since never |
| 08:02.47 | Shadowed | Mr_Rabies, do you have access to Blizzards code? |
| 08:02.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | 2.0.2 could |
| 08:02.49 | Corrodias | since 2.0.2, wasn't it? |
| 08:02.57 | Nom_ | Well, you can't now |
| 08:03.04 | Nom_ | In the live version you can't |
| 08:03.05 | Corrodias | learn2observe |
| 08:03.08 | Nom_ | So stop crying :P |
| 08:03.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah and druids are pissed |
| 08:03.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | well they implemented it then removed it |
| 08:03.22 | Shadowed | I highly doubt it's as simple as "Blizzard are stupid" or "Blizzard don't know how to program" |
| 08:03.26 | Shadowed | b-e-t-a |
| 08:03.27 | End | the issue is, once you've tasted something awesome, you don't want it to go away :P |
| 08:03.30 | Shadowed | say it with me |
| 08:03.33 | Shadowed | b-e-t-a |
| 08:03.35 | Corrodias | of course not. it's that blizzard doesn't care. |
| 08:03.36 | Jaxine | Y M CA |
| 08:03.38 | Shadowed | B-E-T-A |
| 08:03.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | exactly, we NEEDED it. |
| 08:03.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | they gave it to us |
| 08:03.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | and then took it away. |
| 08:03.56 | Nom_ | They never gave it to you |
| 08:04.06 | Corrodias | it's absolutely the way things went in diablo 2, and WoW is only different in that they continue to add more content. |
| 08:04.08 | Nom_ | If it wasn't pushed to live, then it never happened |
| 08:04.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | so now a huge amount of druids are pissed off |
| 08:04.18 | Shadowed | What Nom_ said is exactly the thing |
| 08:04.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | because everyone was so happy because they gave us a chance at being on par in at least one area |
| 08:04.30 | Shadowed | Every. Single. Druid. Who whines about it being removed needs to be shot |
| 08:04.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | then they cut us back down |
| 08:04.44 | End | I' |
| 08:04.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | well then there will be about 5 druids left |
| 08:04.44 | End | er |
| 08:04.49 | Shadowed | Beta does not mean it's final, it does not mean you're getting the same thing you do as stable/live. |
| 08:04.51 | Corrodias | i knew months ago that druid was a damn poor class |
| 08:04.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | a huge amount of druids are up in arms for this. |
| 08:04.54 | Nom_ | That's like the mages who were all excited about being able to move around while casting arcane missiles, then had a big cry when they found out it was a bug |
| 08:05.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | it also doesn't mean we have to be happy with it |
| 08:05.03 | Jaxine | if they nerf crusader strike |
| 08:05.05 | Jaxine | i will revolt |
| 08:05.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | okay imagine this |
| 08:05.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | what class do you play nom and shadowed? |
| 08:05.18 | Shadowed | It's entirely possible they pushed it out to see how it works |
| 08:05.29 | Nom_ | My main is a mage, my alt is a druid |
| 08:05.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | okay imagine this, nom |
| 08:05.38 | Nom_ | and i have a priest too |
| 08:05.40 | Corrodias | whoa, hello, drama. i just realized i have better things to do. |
| 08:05.42 | Shadowed | Mains a Warrior, alts a Priest, old main was a Rogue. |
| 08:06.02 | Shadowed | So basically, two hybrid classes. and i've played/leveled druids to around 20-25 |
| 08:06.14 | Jaxine | Shadowed, imagine they take away spell reflection |
| 08:06.23 | Shadowed | Jaxine, Good. I wont complain |
| 08:06.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | they give you guys water elemental on no cooldown |
| 08:06.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | for one patch |
| 08:06.40 | Jaxine | what talent do you like most Shadowed? |
| 08:06.42 | Grem | if Blizzard nerfs something, its usually for the better, period |
| 08:06.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | then they remove it. |
| 08:06.53 | Corrodias | Grem: you have no idea. you can just stop talking right now. |
| 08:06.57 | Shadowed | Jaxine, out of all of the TBC ones? there is no most for warriors |
| 08:06.58 | Corrodias | you didn't play d2. go away. |
| 08:06.58 | Nom_ | But they didn't give you that for one patch either |
| 08:07.02 | Nom_ | So your logic is flawed |
| 08:07.17 | Shadowed | Every talent is suited for a different playstyle and what you focus on |
| 08:07.17 | Jaxine | Shadowed, give me some meat :( |
| 08:07.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | sure they did, they showed everyone they could do it, everyone was happy and then they flipped out |
| 08:07.25 | Jaxine | you know what i'm trying to do |
| 08:07.28 | Grem | Blizzard has to make balance decision, and they can see things that none of us can ever see |
| 08:07.34 | Nom_ | If it wasn't on live, it never happened. |
| 08:07.41 | Grem | Blizzard has infinite amounts of data and statistics to play with |
| 08:07.42 | Jaxine | ptr up |
| 08:07.42 | Nom_ | I'll reiterate again, because it doesn't seem to be sinking in. |
| 08:07.43 | Nom_ | If it wasn't on live, it never happened. |
| 08:07.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's a bad way to look at things |
| 08:07.54 | Corrodias | you're mistaken. patch test realms do exist. |
| 08:08.01 | Shadowed | For PVP? MS is the best. For PVE? Improved Shield block/defience is the best depending on gear. For PVE DPS? Flurry is the best |
| 08:08.31 | Shadowed | Mr_Rabies: Blizzard can do anything |
| 08:08.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | sure |
| 08:08.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | and we can complain if we don't like it |
| 08:08.52 | Nom_ | Dude. The fact of the matter is, that it could have been a bug. |
| 08:09.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | no, it was intended |
| 08:09.00 | Nom_ | If Blizzard doesn't want it to work that way, it won't. |
| 08:09.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | they even changed item tooltips |
| 08:09.05 | Nom_ | No sense crying over spilt milk |
| 08:09.06 | Shadowed | Mr_Rabies: link the post please? |
| 08:09.10 | End | oh wtf. so I get disconnected...log back in...and...my camera is high up in the air |
| 08:09.26 | End | when it finishes loading and crap, I find out I'm actually dead |
| 08:09.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.thottbot.com/beta?i=2720 |
| 08:09.34 | Nom_ | If a blue doesn't say that it was intended, then it never happened. |
| 08:09.41 | Nom_ | Thottbot != Official |
| 08:09.42 | End | also, I can't move |
| 08:09.43 | End | hmm |
| 08:09.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | there's an example of an item tooltip being changed |
| 08:09.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | okay you're on ignore now :D |
| 08:09.51 | Shadowed | Everything i'm hearing now is that druids are basically overpowered on beta |
| 08:10.02 | Shadowed | You cannot ignore the people who disagree with you |
| 08:10.04 | End | Nom_: Blizzard neglects to say a lot of things |
| 08:10.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | sure i can i just did it |
| 08:10.08 | Corrodias | Shadowed: what form of druid? |
| 08:10.23 | Shadowed | trying to win an argument by ignoring those who disagree with you pretty much proves you know you have no base |
| 08:10.29 | Nom_ | I can't see any reason to have to eat or drink in any form other than caster honestly |
| 08:10.42 | Shadowed | Corrodias: I'm hearing that moonkin is better then mages currently, along with some feral talents |
| 08:10.52 | Corrodias | you can't? did you even look at the link he just posted for you, Nom_? |
| 08:10.52 | End | I'd like to eat in form |
| 08:10.55 | Shadowed | I believe *some* druids are able to out damage rogues in cat? |
| 08:10.59 | Nom_ | I mean, if i want health back because I got the crap beaten out of me in cat form, i'm not going to waste time eating, i'll change to cow form, cast a heal and change back to cat form |
| 08:11.00 | End | since shifting out is annoying |
| 08:11.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | plus shifting out costs a ton of mana |
| 08:11.14 | Nom_ | Shadowed: One of my guild mates was saying they got crit for over 4000 damage on teh PTR |
| 08:11.15 | End | although, once I get that far, I usually just heal |
| 08:11.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | er |
| 08:11.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | shifting out doesn't |
| 08:11.20 | Corrodias | he's talking about using consumables, not EATING |
| 08:11.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | but shifting back in does |
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| 08:11.37 | Corrodias | potions, healthstones, thistle teas |
| 08:11.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | we can't use ANY items that aren't equipped in forms |
| 08:11.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | they said it was due to programming issues |
| 08:11.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | then they implemented it |
| 08:11.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | it worked fine |
| 08:11.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | no bugs |
| 08:11.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | then they removed it |
| 08:12.02 | Nom_ | Right |
| 08:12.06 | Shadowed | Mr_Rabies do you have access to blizzards code? |
| 08:12.12 | Corrodias | they said that just to make you think it wasn't possible, not because it actually wasn't. |
| 08:12.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | no, but why does that matter? |
| 08:12.17 | Nom_ | You went and tested every possible way that it could be used and abused |
| 08:12.21 | Shadowed | They could have other reasons that it became possible |
| 08:12.26 | Nom_ | You must have a lot of time on your hands. |
| 08:12.44 | Corrodias | Nom_ is making less and less sense to me as this continues. i don't even know what he's talking about, now. |
| 08:12.49 | Nom_ | I am going to take a guess right now at how it's being abused. |
| 08:12.51 | Shadowed | Maybe they needed to implement a new feature for the Paladin talents, and they went "Oh hey, we can make consumables/procs work in form now, lets try it out and see the balance" |
| 08:12.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | so they accidentally added druids to the rage pots and thistle teas? |
| 08:13.00 | Nom_ | Take pot in cat form, shift to caster, take pot in caster form |
| 08:13.13 | Nom_ | If that happened, and they couldn't find a solution, then there's your reason |
| 08:13.18 | Corrodias | your item cooldowns do NOT reset when you shift stances. |
| 08:13.18 | Shadowed | You also forget that they could have done it as a test |
| 08:13.24 | s|loup | shadowed do you would be happy if you cant use potions in some warrior stances? |
| 08:13.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | well they should have tested it internally |
| 08:13.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | instead of dangling something we've wanted forever infront of us then removing it |
| 08:13.49 | Shadowed | You cannot test every issue internally |
| 08:13.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | but you can test that one |
| 08:13.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's not a stress related issue |
| 08:14.00 | Nom_ | Exactly, Shadowed |
| 08:14.09 | Nom_ | it's impossible to test every possible bug in every change |
| 08:14.23 | Nom_ | that's what the beta testing is for, and they've obviously found an issue in that testing |
| 08:14.28 | Nom_ | OR |
| 08:14.32 | Nom_ | They changed their minds |
| 08:14.37 | End | oh...what...the hell...so... |
| 08:14.40 | End | I can't get my corpse |
| 08:14.40 | Shadowed | s|loup When I can tank, dps and do caster dps at once. I'll give up some potions |
| 08:14.43 | End | it's HIGH in the air |
| 08:14.44 | End | somehow |
| 08:15.07 | End | oh, do fel reavers throw you up in the air...maybe I logged back into one of those |
| 08:15.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | shadowed |
| 08:15.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | when we can, i'll be happy to give them up too |
| 08:15.18 | Corrodias | druids can't do all 3 at the same time because 1) you can only be in one form at a time and 2) you need the spec AND gear for it |
| 08:15.22 | Shadowed | Hybrid classes always want to be able to do everything there parent classes can, just as well or even better. You give up stuff when you decide you want to do a class that can do multiple things |
| 08:15.45 | Shadowed | Corrodias: I don't recall being able to make my warrior heal by respeccing him :) |
| 08:15.48 | End | I have 3.5k mana in my cat gear and I -do- have heart of the wild and that other stat talent |
| 08:15.53 | Corrodias | did you know that priests are hybrids of damage & healing? |
| 08:15.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's about 3 shifts, end |
| 08:15.58 | Corrodias | warriors are hybrids of damage & tanking |
| 08:16.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | well 4 perhaps |
| 08:16.05 | End | actually, it's more for me |
| 08:16.07 | Shadowed | Corrodias: Note how I said I play two hybrid classes |
| 08:16.07 | s|loup | yes you can do caster dps at berserker, tank at defense and do both in combat stance |
| 08:16.12 | End | since I have a few points in resto |
| 08:16.22 | s|loup | so pls dont use any potion ;) |
| 08:16.27 | Shadowed | Talents are there for specalization |
| 08:16.34 | Shadowed | Talents are what makes players unique |
| 08:16.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | you obviously don't play a druid very well if you think we can nuke, dps, tank and heal at the same time |
| 08:16.38 | Corrodias | the point is that there is no point in a class that is never as good as anyone else |
| 08:16.49 | Corrodias | druid should never have existed |
| 08:16.57 | s|loup | oO |
| 08:17.04 | Corrodias | all i'm upset about, personally, is that i don't have the option to change my class to something more useful |
| 08:17.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's a good concept but poorly implemented |
| 08:17.12 | s|loup | then pls remove paladins and shamans also |
| 08:17.15 | Shadowed | Then reroll |
| 08:17.15 | Nom_ | druid is an awesome class, when you realise that you're there to fill a spot, or many spots |
| 08:17.29 | Corrodias | i can't rereoll my character into a level 60 character. it takes time to build another one. |
| 08:17.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm doing more than just rerolling, i'm canceling and helping cussing out blizzard :] |
| 08:17.37 | Shadowed | okay? |
| 08:17.39 | Shadowed | start leveling |
| 08:17.45 | Nom_ | As said in several guides, you're not the best at what you do at any one time, but you can quickly switch roles as required by the situation |
| 08:17.46 | Corrodias | don't think i'm not working on it, but i'm miffed that they tricked me into wasting time on that nonsense. |
| 08:17.51 | Shadowed | I played a Rogue to 60, raided with him from razor -> nef, and decided that I didn't like a strict DPS class, so I rerolled a warrior ( and ended up having a priest I also leveled on the side ) |
| 08:18.46 | Crispix_ | oh my god :O |
| 08:18.48 | Crispix_ | http://www.1up.com/do/reviewPage?cId=3155329 |
| 08:18.49 | Corrodias | switching roles mid-fight isn't all that useful, mind you |
| 08:18.56 | Crispix_ | Despite being the longest Zelda game to date -- there's roughly as much content here as in Ocarina and Wind Waker combined -- it never feels padded. |
| 08:19.18 | Corrodias | :o |
| 08:19.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's pretty worthless to swap roles mid-fight, you're better off sticking to one in most cases |
| 08:19.32 | Crispix_ | Ocarina + Windwaker = *DROOL* |
| 08:19.35 | Shadowed | for 5 man, druids don't do *that* badly if they try and do multiple things |
| 08:19.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | unless you get hybrid gear, in which case you're worthless in everything |
| 08:19.55 | Shadowed | I give up |
| 08:19.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | good |
| 08:20.16 | Shadowed | tired of trying to argue to the standard "I WANT TO BE ABLE TO DO EVERYTHING AND WONT LISTEN TO YOU!" people |
| 08:20.22 | s|loup | Nom_ thats a very good theoretical point but if you do all things at the same time you must use an equippment for all roles and this will bring you not to the best you can do in a specific form |
| 08:20.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | we want to be about 90% of the main role of the class we're mimicing at the time if spec'd and geared for it |
| 08:21.02 | Corrodias | remember this: you can't respec during combat |
| 08:21.05 | Nom_ | Yeah, but again...you're not expected to be the best healer and the best dpser in a raid |
| 08:21.14 | End | nor can you change gear in combat ;p |
| 08:21.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | 90% of a priest if we're spec'd and geared for it, but not as many emergency buttons |
| 08:21.20 | Nom_ | although druids often CAN be the best healer |
| 08:21.35 | s|loup | no but also with best healing gear im not better than a healing priest |
| 08:21.37 | zenzelezz | if you want to be a rogue, roll a rogue... 90% is too close for a hybrid in my opinion |
| 08:21.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | 90% of a rogue if we're specd and geared for it, but not as much ability to control our opponents in a fight |
| 08:21.49 | Shadowed | Mr_Rabies and you just summed up, exactly what every-single-feral-druid-wants but ignores the actual facts. |
| 08:22.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | 90% of a Warrior if spec'd and geared for it, but nowhere near the emergency aggro or damage abilities while having a high defense |
| 08:22.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | 90% of a mage if spec'd and geared for it, but nowhere near as much cc or aoe |
| 08:22.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's what we should be. |
| 08:22.49 | Jaxine | the game suffers from min/maxing |
| 08:23.03 | Nom_ | That's what I see druid as |
| 08:23.08 | Jaxine | rather than people just taking the raid composition as it is and figuring out how to do things with it |
| 08:23.10 | Jaxine | on the fly |
| 08:23.12 | Shadowed | Warriors are a lot better a damage class then they should be actually |
| 08:23.13 | Nom_ | second best at each role |
| 08:23.26 | Nom_ | as everyone sais, a druid will NEVER beat a class at it's own game |
| 08:23.30 | Shadowed | Dual-wield fury damage and 2H fury damage in general is hacks when you have good gear |
| 08:23.42 | Nom_ | You will never outheal a healer, you will never out-dps a rogue, you will never out-tank a warrier |
| 08:23.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | i agree, warriors have too much damage capability at the moment |
| 08:23.53 | Nom_ | but you can (potentially) do all 3 |
| 08:23.57 | Jaxine | druid can outtank a warrior in thaddius |
| 08:24.04 | End | we used to have warriors fill the top damage spot in my guild...granted, most of their gear was pvp gear and it rotted their brain |
| 08:24.05 | Jaxine | out-dpsing will never happen |
| 08:24.11 | Nom_ | Jaxine: In what regard? |
| 08:24.16 | Jaxine | outhealing a healer.. dude.. they can do that depending on the situation |
| 08:24.18 | Shadowed | End: yeah |
| 08:24.19 | Nom_ | Jaxine: Warriors get Dodge, Parry, Block |
| 08:24.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | Jaxine |
| 08:24.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'd take a nerf to healing |
| 08:24.30 | Jaxine | Nom_, bear threat scales better on thaddius |
| 08:24.30 | End | most of our warriors -now- are prot, since their brains aren't rotted ;p |
| 08:24.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | if it meant i was a better tank and/or dpser and/or nuker. |
| 08:24.40 | Shadowed | End: How far is your guild in terms of progression? |
| 08:24.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | we're meant to be equal in all of our roles, but we're not |
| 08:24.53 | End | we've killed huhu in aq40 |
| 08:24.55 | Nom_ | Yeah, but you'll never be able to take as much damage as a warrior (in theory) |
| 08:24.57 | Shadowed | how many warriors do you have? |
| 08:25.06 | Jaxine | yea, Nom_, druids take more damage |
| 08:25.14 | Jaxine | we had a bear tank for noth's adds today |
| 08:25.21 | End | a whole bunch |
| 08:25.21 | Jaxine | took a lot more damage, but tanked very well |
| 08:25.27 | End | although, we usually have 5 or 6 in the raid |
| 08:25.28 | Shadowed | rough guess |
| 08:25.29 | Shadowed | 6-7? |
| 08:25.30 | Nom_ | Precisely |
| 08:25.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | a druid with 0 points in anything should heal, dps, tank, and nuke at the same level if he has appropriate gear for everything |
| 08:25.39 | End | we've had raids with 9 or 10 before though |
| 08:25.43 | Shadowed | Wrong |
| 08:25.44 | End | although some raids we have like 3 |
| 08:25.48 | Nom_ | So as tanking (as i define it, tanking damage and living through it), Druid will never be better than a Warrior |
| 08:25.55 | Shadowed | If druids could do the same thing 100% well if they had the gear as there parent classes |
| 08:26.00 | Shadowed | NOBODY would ever play the parent classes |
| 08:26.01 | Nom_ | Warrior will ALWAYS be able to take much more damage for the same number of hitpoints |
| 08:26.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | who said 100%? |
| 08:26.20 | Shadowed | [25:26] <Mr_Rabies2> a druid with 0 points in anything should heal, dps, tank, and nuke at the same level if he has appropriate gear for everything |
| 08:26.24 | Shadowed | "at the same level" is 100% |
| 08:26.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | at the same level of each other |
| 08:26.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | not as the class they're mimicing |
| 08:26.44 | Nom_ | Yes. |
| 08:26.54 | Shadowed | End: You really do not need more then 2-3 prot warriors for AQ40. Anything more then that you're basically just wasting a slot and losing damage |
| 08:26.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'd say about 70% or so if you're in the right gear for each |
| 08:26.58 | SP|Sorren | any plds here that are on the PvP test server? |
| 08:27.00 | Nom_ | The 3 trees are there to help you pick which one you want to do better |
| 08:27.08 | SP|Sorren | or ice specc'd mages? |
| 08:27.08 | SP|Sorren | er beta server |
| 08:27.09 | SP|Sorren | not test |
| 08:27.15 | End | well, come to think of it |
| 08:27.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | we're too good healers and not good enough dpsers or tanks, atm |
| 08:27.26 | Shadowed | For naxx? Anymore then 2 prot warriors is a waste too |
| 08:27.34 | End | any beyond 3 or 4 aren't protection |
| 08:27.46 | End | but our "main" warriors period are prot |
| 08:27.48 | Hatsuki | 16points in prot is good enough |
| 08:28.02 | Shadowed | eh Hatsuki not really |
| 08:28.29 | End | we have really bad luck with non-prot warriors |
| 08:28.34 | End | they don't stick around |
| 08:28.39 | Shadowed | ah |
| 08:28.52 | End | and I think the 8 or 9, only 4 were prot at most |
| 08:29.04 | Shadowed | (Good) Warriors are easly in your top 10 damage, a well geared DW fury warrior will beat rogues |
| 08:29.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | 70% of a given role if geared but not spec'd for it, 90% if geared and spec'd, and about 50% if neither, lower if you're completely foregoing the other's stats |
| 08:29.19 | Nom_ | The moral of the story, if you're a druid and think you're going to out-damage a rogue, out-tank a warrior, out-dps a mage or out-heal a priest, you're in for a big surprise |
| 08:29.25 | Nom_ | That's not what a druid is for |
| 08:29.32 | End | well, we don't have as many well geared warriors like we used to |
| 08:29.51 | Hatsuki | hybrid - disadvantages of all and advantages of none |
| 08:29.52 | Shadowed | it depends on the fight though |
| 08:29.58 | End | er |
| 08:30.02 | End | well geared dps warriors |
| 08:30.21 | Nom_ | Shadowed: Boss fights aside mate |
| 08:30.40 | Nom_ | After all, on some bosses, noone can tank because they drop aggro every 30 seconds lol |
| 08:30.41 | Shadowed | Nom: wasn't directed at you :p |
| 08:30.47 | Jaxine | our resident druid tank fills in very well on trash |
| 08:30.51 | Jaxine | when we are short on warriors |
| 08:30.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | druids should be about as good in certain situations as their parent classes, but not have as many options available as those classes at their main role |
| 08:30.56 | Jaxine | or if a warrior dies |
| 08:31.08 | Shadowed | I typically pull top 10, usually top 5 damage wise as a DW fury warrior, but I also have the gear to support it. |
| 08:31.10 | Nom_ | Mr_Rabies2: No, they're the next best thing to their parent classes |
| 08:31.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | if properly spec'd and geared |
| 08:31.21 | Shadowed | However, on resist fights Rogues beat me easly since I take a huge damage hit due to having to wear resist gear |
| 08:31.33 | Nom_ | as in beer is the next best thing to free beer |
| 08:32.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | but anyway this wasnt originally about that |
| 08:32.06 | End | hmm |
| 08:32.18 | Jaxine | are there any draenei camps or anything on the PTR? |
| 08:32.30 | Jaxine | i know i saw a draenei in the champion's hall |
| 08:32.39 | End | I'm trying to think of what my guilds distribution of damage dealers is |
| 08:32.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | we were heading in the right direction for those things, then they decided to remove a few things that are available to other classes to bring us close enough to be about happy |
| 08:32.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | so now chaos ensues :] |
| 08:33.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | god that last sentence was poorly worded |
| 08:34.05 | Shadowed | B |
| 08:34.06 | Shadowed | E |
| 08:34.08 | Shadowed | T |
| 08:34.08 | Shadowed | A |
| 08:34.11 | Shadowed | B-E-T-A |
| 08:34.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | thing is if it's a positive change it's likely to change on the spot |
| 08:34.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | but if it's a negative one i doubt it'll be re-reversed |
| 08:35.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | we were heading in the right direction for mimicing parent classes, until they decided to remove a few things they just implemented that are available to other classes, which brought us close enough to be about happy, so now we're pissed. |
| 08:35.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's the above question worded slightly better |
| 08:35.20 | Shadowed | B. E. T. A. |
| 08:35.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | er sentence :x |
| 08:35.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | yes i know this |
| 08:35.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's why it's a good thing they know so they can change it back |
| 08:35.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | before it goes live |
| 08:35.58 | End | incidently, I think common perception in my guild seems to be that I -can- use consumables |
| 08:36.04 | Shadowed | If you knew that, you wouldn't be complaining so much since you'd understand that you use beta versions to test things, sometimes those changes cause issues, sometimes you realise it's not a good change or it changes the balance to much. |
| 08:36.13 | End | warlocks always try to give me healthstones when I need to tank |
| 08:36.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | the thing is, there were no noticable issues involved in implementing potions to druids, it's just a flag saying that stuff in bags isn't usable in forms |
| 08:37.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | what if they decided to revert the fear being harder to break on dot damage change all of a sudden? |
| 08:37.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | i know non warlocks would be happy, but warlocks would be up in arms too |
| 08:37.32 | Shadowed | Blizzard has access to far more data then you |
| 08:37.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | or if they decided to revert the rage retaining natively in stances and just had you spec into TM with however many points it is |
| 08:37.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | now, not what it was before |
| 08:37.59 | s|loup | so why should we test, blizzard do it on its own and all is good, they know all better |
| 08:38.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | there's some things that you need to test in a live environment |
| 08:38.16 | End | I think Blizzard is probably watching us |
| 08:38.20 | Shadowed | Because they cannot create the data |
| 08:38.21 | End | watching how we play |
| 08:38.25 | Shadowed | Bingo |
| 08:38.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | but i wouldn't think potions could be one of them |
| 08:38.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't see in any way how it could be |
| 08:38.56 | s|loup | the they should download the bot-softwares |
| 08:39.15 | Shadowed | s|loup I do hope you're just joking! |
| 08:39.19 | s|loup | these would never discuss about a decission of blizzard ;) |
| 08:39.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'd be happier if they didn't implement it at all than them implementing it then removing it after everyone, even people without druids were happy |
| 08:39.36 | Shadowed | Mr_Rabies how many times will I have to tell you this |
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| 08:40.10 | End | optimally they would microbuff, microbuff until they got it how they wanted. |
| 08:40.13 | Shadowed | They cannot test everything, they cannot say for sure what will happen when they implement something, they use beta to test these changes and so they can learn more about them. |
| 08:40.17 | End | they don't have time for that I would imagine |
| 08:40.36 | Jaxine | Does Recap work with 2.0? |
| 08:40.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't see how it could effect anything except for the better, jaxine |
| 08:40.50 | End | I thought I saw a ported version of Recap |
| 08:41.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | all it is is a "items you're not wearing aren't usable" flag to the shapeshift buffs |
| 08:41.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | er |
| 08:41.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | not jaxine |
| 08:41.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | sorry |
| 08:41.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | Shadowed :P |
| 08:41.29 | Shadowed | okay? |
| 08:41.50 | Shadowed | They could give warriors 100 rage retention easly by changing the "10" to "100", but that doesn't mean it's not overpowered. |
| 08:41.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | they implemented it, everyone was happy, then they took the steak out of the starving lion's mouth |
| 08:42.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's a much larger change than this |
| 08:42.07 | Jaxine | what's the cooldown in beta on crusader strike? |
| 08:42.27 | Shadowed | Mr_Rabies i'm trying really hard to not stab you |
| 08:42.28 | s|loup | six minutes i think |
| 08:42.32 | Shadowed | realllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllly hard |
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| 08:42.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | you don't have to, just ignore me if you don't care to hear it |
| 08:43.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | won't hurt my feelings at all |
| 08:43.01 | AnduinLothar | I LIVE! |
| 08:43.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | sup AL |
| 08:43.06 | Jaxine | s|loup, uh |
| 08:43.06 | Shadowed | hey AL |
| 08:43.09 | Jaxine | 6 minutes? |
| 08:43.13 | End | so |
| 08:43.14 | Jaxine | it's 6 seconds on the PTR |
| 08:43.15 | Shadowed | 6 seconds |
| 08:43.17 | End | AnduinLothar, are you alive? |
| 08:43.19 | AnduinLothar | long day. |
| 08:43.25 | s|loup | oh sorry seconds ;) |
| 08:43.26 | Jaxine | but i heard they changed it in beta |
| 08:43.38 | Shadowed | It used to be 4, then they changed it to 6 I believe? |
| 08:43.42 | Corrodias | personally, i don't disagree about the whole hybrid underpower balance thing. fine. i just wish they hadn't suggested to me that druid was as good as other classes by giving them a description on the class site that did NOT say "sucks" |
| 08:43.52 | Jaxine | http://www.ui.wowinterface.com/downloads/info6135-Recap.html |
| 08:44.25 | grimman|afkish | lol |
| 08:44.26 | Shadowed | Corrodias: What class has a truthful class description? :p |
| 08:44.32 | AnduinLothar | 8am class, done with dlasses at 6pm. then a project due at mightnight. But VPC doesn't work on my MacPro so I spent a lot of time installing CootCamp and XP and then VisualC++ so i could to the stupi dproject that I didn't finish. |
| 08:44.36 | grimman|afkish | Almost 24 hours later and you guys are still whining about druids. |
| 08:44.42 | AnduinLothar | BootCamp* |
| 08:44.43 | Corrodias | i haven't played any other class enough to truly know |
| 08:44.55 | AnduinLothar | tho I did find out windows wow caps at 64 fps |
| 08:44.57 | End | heh, this patch has been out less than 12 actually :P |
| 08:45.04 | End | I think |
| 08:45.06 | End | maybe it's about 12 |
| 08:45.18 | AnduinLothar | whereas mac wow has no fps cap and I can hit 130+ on occation |
| 08:45.25 | Corrodias | i am not aware that it is capped at 64 |
| 08:45.25 | End | AnduinLothar: dual core system? |
| 08:45.27 | grimman|afkish | AnduinLothar: I've gotten 120-some FPS. o_o |
| 08:45.30 | AnduinLothar | quad |
| 08:45.34 | End | there you go |
| 08:45.35 | Corrodias | my framerate exceeds 90 at times |
| 08:45.40 | End | multi-cored systems are capped |
| 08:45.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | mine never hits above like 45 |
| 08:45.45 | End | for the time being at least |
| 08:45.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | :[ |
| 08:45.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | i blame sky |
| 08:45.52 | Corrodias | why would that be, End? |
| 08:45.54 | grimman|afkish | I have dual core AMD. |
| 08:45.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't care if it's not in cosmos anymore, it's getting blamed |
| 08:46.00 | End | Corrodias: I have no idea. |
| 08:46.00 | AnduinLothar | yeah, the mac size uses all 4 cores |
| 08:46.03 | grimman|afkish | So obviously that's wrong too. ;P |
| 08:46.08 | AnduinLothar | side* |
| 08:46.11 | Jaxine | 7178 damage in 12 seconds for 574 DPS |
| 08:46.12 | End | but that's the way it is |
| 08:46.16 | Jaxine | on my paladin |
| 08:46.31 | AnduinLothar | so i think I was only using max %55 of my total proc power on the mac side |
| 08:46.43 | AnduinLothar | and the pc side i'm pretty sure was only using one core |
| 08:47.03 | Shadowed | that's more then my warrior can do :( |
| 08:47.17 | Shadowed | wait, at level 60 Jaxine? |
| 08:47.32 | End | I hope that's higher than level 60 |
| 08:47.37 | AnduinLothar | got about 25 fps all settings maxed 4x multisampling full AF 1680x1050 |
| 08:47.49 | Jaxine | i wonder why the champion's hall is still instanced |
| 08:47.52 | AnduinLothar | in bwl |
| 08:48.00 | AnduinLothar | razorgore |
| 08:48.05 | AnduinLothar | and suppression |
| 08:48.42 | AnduinLothar | 55 fps in IF AH looking out to the mailbox |
| 08:49.07 | Shadowed | With a full rage bar, I could probably pull off 574 DPS in 12 seconds at 60, not completely sure |
| 08:49.11 | Nom_ | 15 in Razorgore the other day :( |
| 08:49.15 | AnduinLothar | and then I tried the doom demo and was dissapointed by all the jaggies even in ultra settings |
| 08:49.30 | End | jaggies? |
| 08:49.41 | AnduinLothar | yeah, edges of characters especially |
| 08:49.45 | Nom_ | I needs a new video card...radeon 9700 doesn't cut it any more |
| 08:49.51 | AnduinLothar | it didn't seem to be using the 4xAA |
| 08:50.02 | End | ah |
| 08:50.04 | End | I see now |
| 08:50.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | wow you could actually see jaggies in doom? |
| 08:50.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | i couldn't even see my gun |
| 08:50.24 | AnduinLothar | not sure why tho... i couldn't find any advanced setting to change in the demo tho |
| 08:51.04 | AnduinLothar | and it wouldn't let me set the resolution higher than 1024... and it crops on my widescreen |
| 08:51.11 | AnduinLothar | stupid game |
| 08:51.16 | AnduinLothar | scary as hell tho |
| 08:51.24 | End | I couldn't finish doom |
| 08:51.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | it makes me jump in some spots |
| 08:51.36 | Nom_ | I wonder if WoW would run faster if I didn't run it in 1280x1024 window |
| 08:51.38 | End | I just...kinda lost the will to play |
| 08:51.39 | Nom_ | :P |
| 08:51.43 | Shadowed | it was too repetive honestly |
| 08:51.45 | AnduinLothar | playing at 3am... trying to get out my shotty and put away the flashlight |
| 08:52.03 | Jaxine | i'm sustaining over 400 DPS on mobs in scarlet monastery |
| 08:52.05 | Shadowed | it was certainly scary, but it got to the point where it's like "you know a monsters here, or you know a monsters there", granted it still scares you |
| 08:52.05 | AnduinLothar | was having issues swapping weapons... |
| 08:52.09 | Shadowed | oh |
| 08:52.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | darkgame is daaark |
| 08:52.20 | Shadowed | against a level 38-39 elite? |
| 08:52.22 | AnduinLothar | yeah, you start expecting them everywhere |
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| 08:52.23 | Shadowed | use level 60 mobs :p |
| 08:52.30 | Nom_ | 40 elites don't count |
| 08:52.43 | Nom_ | I can 2 shot them if i trinket |
| 08:52.44 | Nom_ | :P |
| 08:52.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | ptrs are unstable as hell |
| 08:53.05 | Nom_ | *sigh* |
| 08:53.17 | Nom_ | Hence why they're called 'Public TEST Realms' |
| 08:53.20 | AnduinLothar | anyway... I couldn't really tell much difference in wow between playing on windows or mac |
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| 08:53.37 | AnduinLothar | the windows fps was more constant, but that's because it capped |
| 08:53.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | probably wouldn't hurt to open a couple more realms |
| 08:53.54 | AnduinLothar | the mac fps was a bit more up and down |
| 08:54.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | 1 doesn't seem to hold all these people too well :x |
| 08:54.14 | Nom_ | Why would they waste money on another test realm |
| 08:54.53 | Nom_ | Having thousands of people on a single realm doesn't help testing too much |
| 08:55.08 | End | I dunno, it helps them stress test ;p |
| 08:55.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | well they're stressed to the point that no one can test atm, end :P |
| 08:56.00 | End | well |
| 08:56.09 | End | they...got...results |
| 08:56.12 | End | ...I guess |
| 08:56.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | probably all asleep |
| 08:56.37 | Nom_ | Stress test to the level of the busiest live server is fine |
| 08:56.40 | Nom_ | They'll eventually cap it |
| 08:57.03 | End | actually, yeah, I'm surprised there isn't a queue...or is there? |
| 08:57.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | dont see one |
| 08:57.23 | Nom_ | No idea, i've not tried in a couple of days...was waiting for my main to be copied |
| 08:57.31 | weab | anyone know what exactly it is that makes quality from GetItemInfo() sometimes return -1? |
| 08:57.40 | Nom_ | Going to try out a 41-point frost spec, and a 41-point fire spec |
| 08:57.44 | End | GetItemInfo() can return -1? |
| 08:57.45 | End | hmm |
| 08:57.46 | Nom_ | see which one i prefer] |
| 08:57.58 | weab | yes, it seems to with some frequency |
| 08:58.07 | End | odd |
| 08:58.23 | Jaxine | since when do mobs in SM cast 'fel fireball'? |
| 08:58.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | there's about 3 times more people gathered around the battlemasters than i've ever seen in all of ironforge |
| 08:58.27 | weab | which makes it fairly useless |
| 08:58.33 | weab | have to pull out the quality by the color |
| 08:58.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | and my server's had a queue a few times |
| 08:58.42 | End | haha, that sounds like a bug, Jaxine |
| 08:59.18 | Jaxine | scarlet diviner is casting it |
| 08:59.21 | Jaxine | green glow |
| 08:59.27 | End | weird |
| 08:59.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | the casters in silithus have it too Jaxine |
| 08:59.58 | End | could be intentional I suppose |
| 09:00.09 | End | but..fel fireball is what I'd expect in outland |
| 09:00.12 | End | not elsewhere |
| 09:00.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | doesnt make sense off a scarlet mob |
| 09:00.36 | AnduinLothar | now for the real fun... WoW + iTunes + AIM + IRC + Photoshop! |
| 09:01.18 | End | I'd reported it...if it isn't intentional, they'll just mark it as working as intended and move on |
| 09:01.30 | End | otherwise, they'll know to fix it |
| 09:01.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh god so much lag, so many people |
| 09:03.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | or they'll read it and ignore it :x |
| 09:03.31 | AnduinLothar | well... i logged into the military ward at 110 fps... |
| 09:03.36 | End | that's possible too I suppose |
| 09:03.49 | End | I'm hoping that doesn't happen though |
| 09:03.57 | Jaxine | the new built in enemycastbar is really awesome |
| 09:04.05 | End | yeah, it's pretty neat |
| 09:04.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | cant hurt to file the report |
| 09:04.21 | AnduinLothar | hmmm my wtf was reset or somehting |
| 09:04.25 | Jaxine | i just posted it on the forums |
| 09:04.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | most likely ignore you like most player feedback these days :/ |
| 09:04.42 | Jaxine | i'm on the ptr so there's no bug report button |
| 09:04.53 | End | report on the test realm forum |
| 09:04.54 | Jaxine | well they said they read every post on the test realm forums |
| 09:04.58 | Jaxine | that's what i did |
| 09:05.10 | End | k, then..well, that's all there is to do :P |
| 09:05.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | okay |
| 09:05.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | there's 3 pallies in SM |
| 09:05.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's all. |
| 09:05.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | only 3 pallies, no other classes, wth |
| 09:05.38 | Jaxine | lol |
| 09:05.52 | Jaxine | i'm one of them |
| 09:05.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | was gonna see if i could find you |
| 09:05.55 | Jaxine | <-- vanstrider |
| 09:05.57 | End | is it like hunters in maraudon? ;p |
| 09:13.37 | AnduinLothar | so.... no change in fps.... i still get 55 in the AH looking at the mailbox |
| 09:13.45 | AnduinLothar | even with itunes visualize running in the bg |
| 09:14.27 | Jaxine | sure you aren't on low res? |
| 09:14.40 | Jaxine | Mr_Rabies, i zoned ou :( |
| 09:14.41 | Jaxine | out :( |
| 09:14.47 | Jaxine | world server down |
| 09:14.57 | AnduinLothar | it's windowed mode, full rez tho. same fps when i go back to fullscreen, lil higher |
| 09:15.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | well dammit |
| 09:15.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | cant test crap in this |
| 09:15.41 | AnduinLothar | I can't seem to cap my machine... |
| 09:15.46 | AnduinLothar | wait... |
| 09:15.53 | AnduinLothar | 2 copies of wow... |
| 09:16.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | run 4 copies of uh that program i can't remember |
| 09:16.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | cpu burn-in |
| 09:16.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | how many processors, physical and logical? |
| 09:17.28 | AnduinLothar | ok, with 2 wows running now i get 50fps on the one on top and 20fps on the one behind |
| 09:17.40 | AnduinLothar | 50+ |
| 09:18.23 | AnduinLothar | 2x Dual-Core Intel Xeon |
| 09:18.29 | AnduinLothar | so 4 cores |
| 09:18.33 | AnduinLothar | 2 chips |
| 09:18.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah run 4 copies of cpu burn in on, one set to each core |
| 09:18.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | :P |
| 09:19.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | that'll kill all but the more rawksome of machines |
| 09:19.19 | AnduinLothar | cpu burn in? |
| 09:20.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | its a stability testing program, people run it for days at a time after putting in new cpu/ram to test stuff on windows machines |
| 09:20.39 | AnduinLothar | mac version? |
| 09:20.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | dunno but you might be able to bootcamp in, i thought you were already |
| 09:20.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | :O |
| 09:21.01 | Jaxine | prime95? |
| 09:21.36 | AnduinLothar | i have |
| 09:21.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh yeah prime95 is even better |
| 09:22.10 | AnduinLothar | xp pro is installed |
| 09:22.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | i couldnt remember that one |
| 09:22.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | how does that work, AL? i haven't done much research into dual OS's on the new macs |
| 09:22.24 | AnduinLothar | it was really easy |
| 09:23.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | like is bootcamp an apple thing or third party? |
| 09:23.42 | AnduinLothar | download BootCamp, launch it, burn a disk of mac drivers for windows, partition the boot drive, reboot and install windows, install drivers, reboot... hold down option to get the availible boot drives on boot up |
| 09:23.48 | AnduinLothar | it's by apple |
| 09:23.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | nice |
| 09:23.59 | AnduinLothar | requires a legit copy of windows tho |
| 09:24.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | their own bootloader thing? |
| 09:24.06 | AnduinLothar | ya |
| 09:24.26 | AnduinLothar | took me about 30 min total |
| 09:24.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | boot into one or the other or is it like virtualpc or whatever |
| 09:24.44 | AnduinLothar | have to reboot back and forth atm |
| 09:25.12 | AnduinLothar | there's a virtualizer app by a 3rd party, but for some reason it doesn't work on the Mac Pros yet |
| 09:25.33 | AnduinLothar | plus BootCamp is free |
| 09:25.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | not too bad... is it pretty much perfectly supported or is it like WINE where programs are hit and miss? |
| 09:25.40 | AnduinLothar | and i already own a copy of xp |
| 09:26.06 | AnduinLothar | I didn't run into any troubles at all, but i have only used it for a day |
| 09:26.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | if macs werent so damn expensive and a bitch to upgrade i'd get one so bad |
| 09:26.51 | AnduinLothar | installed ff, aim, wow, flash, pdf viewer.... that's about it |
| 09:27.02 | AnduinLothar | it's not really a bitch to upgrade |
| 09:27.09 | AnduinLothar | plenty of options |
| 09:27.27 | AnduinLothar | there's rumor you can even replace the proc chips, but it's not supported |
| 09:27.47 | AnduinLothar | the HD's and ram are SUPER easy to install |
| 09:28.01 | AnduinLothar | you have not ever seen it this easy I garentee it |
| 09:28.38 | AnduinLothar | 4 screws for the HD onto a removable chasis. slides right in, no cables |
| 09:28.43 | AnduinLothar | 4 HD bays |
| 09:28.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm used to pcs and i can fully assemble a pc with parts i've never seen before in about 3 minutes, 10 minutes if i'm not lucky and have to muck around with things, so most anything's easy except proprietary crap :P |
| 09:28.55 | AnduinLothar | 8 ram slots on 2 risers that slide out |
| 09:29.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | but yeah |
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| 09:29.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | apple machines are really well laid out from what i've seen |
| 09:29.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | all that i've really seen are G5s recently though |
| 09:29.35 | AnduinLothar | two optical drive bays |
| 09:30.07 | AnduinLothar | 3 PCI Express slots and a doublewide for the vid card |
| 09:31.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | 8 ram slots whaaa |
| 09:31.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | do macs come with a bunch of 128 sticks or something? |
| 09:32.20 | AnduinLothar | min config is 2x512mb |
| 09:32.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | 8 seems excessive unless the ram sticks themselves are tiny |
| 09:32.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | wow |
| 09:32.28 | AnduinLothar | I got 2x more |
| 09:32.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | i guess for massive render farms and stuff |
| 09:32.44 | AnduinLothar | and it can hold up to 16gb ram |
| 09:32.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | Memory Usage: (Usage: 676/1024MB (66.02%)) (|||||||---) Virtual Memory: (Usage: 77/2048MB (3.74%)) (----------) Page File: (Usage: -3265/-1635MB (199.71%)) (||||||||||||||||||||) |
| 09:32.59 | AnduinLothar | 2gb sticks |
| 09:33.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | :[ |
| 09:33.14 | Corrodias | good to hear |
| 09:33.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't know what the hell is up with the page file |
| 09:33.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | this script doesn't like something about my laptop |
| 09:33.44 | Mr_Rabies | Memory Usage: (Usage: 192/768MB (25.00%)) (|||-------) Virtual Memory: (Usage: 70/2048MB (3.42%)) (----------) Page File: (Usage: 413/-1072MB (-38.55%)) (--------------) |
| 09:33.47 | AnduinLothar | it uses 667 MHz DDR2 FB-DIMM which is hella expensive |
| 09:33.48 | Mr_Rabies | /cry |
| 09:33.51 | Mr_Rabies | i need more ram :[ |
| 09:33.59 | Corrodias | interesting. you're actually storing twice as much information in your page file as it can hold. |
| 09:34.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | wth this one's negative now too |
| 09:34.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm storing negative 3000 out of negative 1600 |
| 09:34.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | and 413 out of negative 1072 |
| 09:34.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | i think this script's broke now :P |
| 09:34.47 | Corrodias | i'd recommend 2gb to any gamer. it's luxurious to actually be able to run more than one thing at a time. |
| 09:34.51 | AnduinLothar | think i need to run xbench |
| 09:34.59 | AnduinLothar | yeah i have 2gb |
| 09:35.04 | AnduinLothar | i had 1.5 on my G5 |
| 09:35.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | i really dont have many problems except in bf2 |
| 09:35.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | surprisingly this old beast holds up well |
| 09:35.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | well my desktop that is |
| 09:35.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | this does okay |
| 09:35.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | but not anything to brag about |
| 09:35.44 | Corrodias | 2gb, mister rabies. do it. all the cool kids are. |
| 09:35.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | it'll play bf2 but takes about 10 mins to load the map properly |
| 09:35.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | this motherboard is complete shit, corr |
| 09:36.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | er my desktop's mobo |
| 09:36.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | CPU Info: (1 CPU - Intel Pentium III, 1.60 GHz, (11% Load)) |
| 09:36.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | this will play BF2 fine, believe it or not |
| 09:36.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | just don't get it near bwl |
| 09:36.45 | AnduinLothar | ok xbench time brb |
| 09:37.02 | Mr_Rabies | CPU Info: (1 CPU - AMD Athlon XP 2700+ (T-Bred), 2.17 GHz, L1: 64KB L2: 256KB (0% Load)) |
| 09:37.06 | Mr_Rabies | surprisingly this beast still does well |
| 09:37.35 | Mr_Rabies | my video card handles most of everything i need |
| 09:37.54 | Mr_Rabies | Display Info: (1280x1024 32bit 75Hz) Monitor: (ViewSonic E90f+) |
| 09:38.03 | Mr_Rabies | still bottlenecking at ram and cpu though :[ |
| 09:38.04 | Mr_Rabies | oops |
| 09:38.10 | Mr_Rabies | Video Card: (nVidia GeForce 6800 Ultra) Sound Card: (SB Audigy 2 Audio [E800]) |
| 09:38.15 | Mr_Rabies | i don't use this script much :x |
| 09:38.58 | Mr_Rabies | but yeah, i'm surprised this old thing still manages to play most every game that's been released decently |
| 09:39.13 | Mr_Rabies | biggest problem is bf2, but that thing's optimized like crap |
| 09:39.31 | Mr_Rabies | s/decently/recently/ |
| 09:39.40 | Mr_Rabies | :[ darnit oh well |
| 09:39.57 | Mr_Rabies | well let's see if i'm out of the arena yet or not |
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| 09:54.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | hey Jaxine |
| 09:54.08 | Jaxine | hey |
| 09:54.14 | Jaxine | i think judgement of crusader stacks |
| 09:54.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | come do some arenas with me :x |
| 09:54.32 | Jaxine | instance server crashed |
| 09:55.17 | Jaxine | invite me |
| 09:56.31 | AnduinLothar | :D 4 movies at the same time is super smooth.. |
| 09:56.46 | AnduinLothar | think i should try 12 |
| 09:57.01 | AnduinLothar | but braveheart is really distracting |
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| 09:57.46 | thr | what wardrobe addon would you people recommend? |
| 09:57.57 | AnduinLothar | um. wardrobe |
| 09:57.57 | Jaxine | itemrack |
| 09:58.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | wardrobe > you |
| 09:58.13 | AnduinLothar | but im slightly biassed |
| 09:58.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | i loves me some wardrobe |
| 09:58.39 | thr | well, AnduinLothar since you hang here and you seem to know alot about wow-ui's etc i'll go with yours :) |
| 09:58.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | first thing i did after i got on the ptr was setup wardrobe |
| 09:59.02 | AnduinLothar | lol. first addon i updated when i got alpha... was wardrobe |
| 09:59.06 | Jaxine | 'arena 144' lol |
| 09:59.19 | AnduinLothar | actually, that's not true |
| 09:59.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | its just so awesome AL, i cant live without it |
| 09:59.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | 102 fps |
| 09:59.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | in nagrand "P |
| 09:59.33 | AnduinLothar | but i refused to instance w/o it |
| 09:59.46 | AnduinLothar | first was ChatScroll |
| 10:01.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | well that was fast |
| 10:01.46 | Jaxine | yea if we had both gone for the healer |
| 10:01.51 | Jaxine | we'd have won |
| 10:02.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | he bubbled just as i got in range :[ |
| 10:02.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | then i got trapped and twoshotted |
| 10:03.28 | thr | AnduinLothar: very nice, wardrobe is far better then itemrack ,< |
| 10:03.36 | thr | very easy to use and no clutter. |
| 10:03.41 | AnduinLothar | heh. thanks |
| 10:03.56 | thr | a quick Q tho, can i move the minimapb utton? |
| 10:04.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | shiftclick |
| 10:04.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh wait |
| 10:04.11 | AnduinLothar | easier to use is the idea, I wouldn't go as far as to say t's better tho |
| 10:04.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | you can just drag it |
| 10:04.37 | thr | AnduinLothar: well, ease of use is something that - imho atleast - is very important. |
| 10:05.12 | AnduinLothar | :) |
| 10:05.32 | thr | how many patchs for BC Beta is it after 2.0.0 ? |
| 10:05.43 | thr | WoW-2.0.0-enGB-patch.exe |
| 10:08.32 | Jaxine | arena fights are too fast :( |
| 10:08.38 | Jaxine | beta is at 2.0.2 |
| 10:08.42 | Jaxine | pTr is at 2.0.1 |
| 10:08.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | sucks that i cant see who i'm fighting ahead of time |
| 10:09.02 | thr | ok so two more patches then |
| 10:10.59 | Neebler | heh it's odd. I was on the PTR earlier today my rogue had shadowstep as a 41 point subtlety talent. Then the servers crashed, I logged back in and the 41 point subtlety talent was cloak of shadows |
| 10:12.02 | Corrodias | lol |
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| 10:25.18 | Jaxine | Mr_Rabies |
| 10:25.22 | Jaxine | did you get disconnected? |
| 10:25.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | yea |
| 10:25.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | got stuck actually |
| 10:28.02 | thr | Bob Dylan - Masters of War |
| 10:28.02 | thr | <3 |
| 10:28.37 | KarlKFI | aww the poor english army |
| 10:29.54 | s|loup | if i create buttons for showing the buffs and debuffs, can i show/hide these buttons in combat? |
| 10:30.25 | s|loup | or is it not possible with 2.0 ? |
| 10:32.12 | Jaxine | i don't see why you couldn't |
| 10:32.18 | Jaxine | as long as they are not used to cast spells/target units |
| 10:33.21 | s|loup | ok thaught that the new controls for the addons will forbid it |
| 10:37.11 | thr | is there any unique id or something that identifies a frame? |
| 10:37.22 | thr | i mean sure the framename, but all frames dont have one |
| 10:42.23 | s|loup | you can give the frame an id but this is only for level as i know |
| 10:42.38 | thr | nah i solved it anyways, thnx for the idea tho |
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| 10:44.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | woo |
| 10:44.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | 5v5 arena's fun |
| 10:47.21 | thr | what arenas are aviable on the PTRs? |
| 10:47.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | nagrand and blades edge |
| 10:48.00 | thr | kk |
| 10:48.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | 2,3,5 |
| 10:48.06 | thr | nice |
| 10:48.11 | thr | only highlvls? |
| 10:48.17 | thr | or all brackets? |
| 10:48.31 | thr | 10-19, 20-29, 30-39, 40-49, 50-59 and 60 or just 60 ? |
| 10:50.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | uh dunno |
| 10:50.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | i think maybe just 60 now |
| 10:50.44 | thr | The file "D:\Burning Crusade Closed Beta\WoW-2.0.0-enGB-patch.exe" appears to be corrupt. You may need to download this file again. |
| 10:50.46 | thr | oops, sorry. |
| 10:50.48 | thr | but wtf? ;> |
| 10:51.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | are you using the engb version? |
| 10:51.15 | thr | yes. |
| 10:51.23 | thr | < lives in sweden, so it's enGB here |
| 10:51.47 | thr | and when i run the repair-tool it says my wow-thingy is seriously damaged, etc. |
| 10:51.52 | KarlKFI | lol. my clock was wrong. when i set it correctly vlc started skipping ahead to the end lol |
| 10:52.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | whoa |
| 10:52.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | thats a weird bug |
| 10:53.03 | KarlKFI | :) |
| 10:53.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | vlc's freaking awesome |
| 10:53.16 | KarlKFI | ya |
| 10:53.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | if i knew of the existance of a mouseover shortcut bar thing while fullscreened i'd use nothing but it |
| 10:53.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | but it's annoying to have to go to windowed mode or remember shortcuts |
| 10:54.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | rofl all these druids are like OW DAMN MANGLE HURTS DUDE |
| 10:55.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | after i wtfpwn them in 5v5 arenas |
| 10:55.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | but it's honestly not hitting THAT hard |
| 10:55.46 | thr | how much? |
| 10:55.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | biggest crit so far is a grand |
| 10:56.00 | thr | .. |
| 10:56.02 | thr | that's not much |
| 10:56.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | 2.0.2's mangle hits harder |
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| 10:56.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's spammable, increases shred and bleed damage by 30% |
| 10:57.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | and costs... 35 energy i think talented |
| 10:57.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | whatever claw costs |
| 10:58.17 | thr | ehm do i need to install the burnign crusade betan INTO my wow folder or can i put it anywhere? |
| 10:58.33 | KarlKFI | elsewhere |
| 10:59.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'd place it in a small house |
| 10:59.26 | thr | but there are no player buildings! |
| 10:59.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | graargh stuck at loading |
| 10:59.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh, ptr-chan |
| 11:02.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm not going to be able to hear a blood elf emote without thinking "And now, after the sacrifice of our brothers... after 30 long years, finally the two of us meet. The brother of light and the brother of dark." |
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| 11:12.38 | Aveal | hello, anybody out there? |
| 11:13.22 | Aveal | test |
| 11:14.04 | Aveal | omg - pls answer somebody |
| 11:14.24 | s|loup | hi |
| 11:14.31 | Aveal | oh Hi |
| 11:14.43 | Aveal | i´ve posted into WoW:API-Discussion (lastpost: http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:World_of_Warcraft_API ) |
| 11:14.53 | Aveal | may you help me relating towards my post? |
| 11:18.32 | s|loup | there is an answer by Karrion |
| 11:19.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | woo arenas are fun |
| 11:20.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | i miss my archud though |
| 11:28.01 | bljakk | Aveal: I can not see your post there because i locked that site on my companies firewall because one of the employers wasnt working, instead, he rather was discussing on other forums about wow |
| 11:29.09 | Aveal | bljakk - check query |
| 11:29.33 | bljakk | oh, i need to register my nick :) |
| 11:30.28 | Aveal | hmmmmm |
| 11:30.30 | bljakk | ok, try now |
| 11:30.38 | Aveal | got it? |
| 11:31.08 | bljakk | the test, yes |
| 11:38.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | ahhaha someone's asking the guy that does discord group buttons to implement target's target's target |
| 11:38.34 | thr | lol |
| 11:38.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | that reminds me of this webcomic with a guy with a target's target's target's target's target's target |
| 11:38.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | frame, and it always is kevin bacon for some reason |
| 11:38.58 | thr | gievf link! |
| 11:39.02 | thr | hahaha |
| 11:49.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | oooh |
| 11:49.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | 710 crit on a war |
| 11:49.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | he musta been in some mail |
| 11:58.48 | Corrodias | holy shit. i'm actually burning a DVD on my physical drive from within a virtual machine in vmware. |
| 11:59.01 | Corrodias | that means i didn't even have to reboot my host to install Alcohol! |
| 12:00.11 | Corrodias | doesn't anyone think that's as cool as i do? |
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| 12:00.28 | Corrodias | (back in a few minutes -- preparing for bed) |
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| 12:13.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | wth |
| 12:14.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | one of the pillars in BEA had a tornado around it |
| 12:14.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | O_o |
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| 12:26.36 | Corrodias | well |
| 12:26.41 | Corrodias | it IS super cool that i was able ot do that |
| 12:26.44 | Corrodias | you tech-heathen |
| 12:40.40 | wereHamster | Corrodias, see.. windows doesn't _really_ need to be rebooted.. microsoft just wants to annoy the users |
| 12:44.13 | zenzelezz | most of the time it's just the installer that claims that, not Windows itself |
| 12:45.40 | Corrodias | that's quite possibly true |
| 12:46.27 | Corrodias | alcohol claims it needs to install some kind of driver that is incompatible with kernel debuggers, so that may be something "intense" enough to reboot for. but it's only for the drive emulation portion. it obviously doesn't have to be in effect to burn discs. |
| 12:47.44 | Corrodias | time to sleep. 'ni. i need to start getting to bed sooner one of these days. |
| 12:53.21 | JoshBork1 | nn Corrodias |
| 13:02.38 | Kirkburn | Argh! |
| 13:02.51 | Kirkburn | I just accidentely turn off the plug to my desktop |
| 13:06.11 | MentalPower|ZZzz | off to a place without internet, later guys |
| 13:06.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | nice job kirk |
| 13:06.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | good luck mp |
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| 13:20.20 | Kirkburn | Yay speakers! I can finally play TBC without headphones! |
| 13:22.06 | JoshBorke | morning |
| 13:25.42 | KarlKFI | yes... it is isn't it |
| 13:26.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | those of you with locks |
| 13:26.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | how hard does your corruption tick for with around average +dmg? |
| 13:29.00 | Kirkburn | What's 'around average' +dmg |
| 13:29.14 | Kirkburn | I have about +400 |
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| 13:40.56 | wereHamster | how does /castsequence work? will I have to press the button over and over or will it cast the spells automatically? |
| 13:44.04 | JoshBorke | you have to press the button over and over |
| 13:50.00 | wereHamster | but it's still a nice feature :) |
| 13:55.54 | JoshBorke | yes, yes it is :-) |
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| 14:06.01 | Garoun|Loupana | don't think [modifier] is in yet though |
| 14:06.20 | Garoun|Loupana | in default interface even if you set [modifier:shift] it defaults to picking up the skill off your bar |
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| 14:45.41 | kaiden | It's all kirkburn's fault i tell ya! |
| 14:46.41 | kaiden | So last night i was in bwl on my rogue and i have 2 accounts anyways i start seeing guild messages saying each of my characters were logging in and off |
| 14:47.13 | kaiden | immediately i started jamming the account repeatedly logging in and went and changed my password and scanned my 4 computers that i use to play as best i could, but didn't find anything |
| 14:47.26 | kaiden | so i'm confused as to how i got keylogged.. when all i've ever used is lua addons |
| 14:47.35 | Kirkburn | :/ |
| 14:47.42 | kaiden | other than WinAceSync which would frustrate me greatly if they were keylogging in that.. |
| 14:47.57 | Kirkburn | Scary |
| 14:48.09 | kaiden | so now i'm lost and bewildered trying to figure out who did it.. how they did it.. and how long they think they can survive once i find out who they are :P |
| 14:48.43 | kaiden | I can't even get blizzard to comply with a simple request. Send me the ip addresses that have accessed my account in the last week |
| 14:49.02 | kaiden | a seemingly easy request for any other mmo seems' to be the pits for them :( |
| 14:55.28 | cladhaire | perfectraid has a keylogger imo |
| 14:55.29 | cladhaire | bastard |
| 14:55.42 | Grine | yeah that clad dude realyl needs a lesson |
| 14:56.01 | cladhaire | he's such a self-righteous prick |
| 14:56.24 | Grine | funny how your name is almost identical to his >.> |
| 14:56.38 | cladhaire | how rude! |
| 14:57.02 | Grine | seriously though, this joke wasn't so fun to beginwith XD |
| 14:57.37 | Grine | I wish you'd add new features to Praid now though :P |
| 14:57.40 | cladhaire | like what? |
| 14:57.43 | cladhaire | its barely working on tbc |
| 14:57.48 | cladhaire | cause clique and other things have been my focus |
| 14:57.57 | Grine | yeah I know, I'm just wishing here ;) not asking you too |
| 14:58.03 | cladhaire | like what tho? |
| 14:58.12 | Grine | markers on Leader/ML/Assistants |
| 14:58.19 | Grine | was a thing I thought of the other day |
| 14:58.33 | Grine | nothing major, but it could be useful |
| 14:58.34 | cladhaire | yeah see.. praid doesn't lend itself too well to markers. |
| 14:58.36 | cladhaire | but k |
| 14:59.00 | Grine | well not markers per se, just an A in front of assistant etc |
| 14:59.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | graargh my spacebar is squeaking |
| 14:59.18 | cladhaire | there is no "in front" anymore =) |
| 14:59.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | all those years of Tribes are taking their toll on my poor keyboard |
| 14:59.36 | Grine | ok, didn't try TBC yet :) |
| 14:59.45 | cladhaire | well there ism't on live even |
| 14:59.46 | Grine | praid on TBC* |
| 15:00.49 | Grine | hmm? |
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| 15:01.02 | Grine | oh right I haven't updated to the nonace version... |
| 15:01.17 | cladhaire | there is no released non ace version |
| 15:01.20 | cladhaire | you're smoking crack =) |
| 15:01.34 | Grine | then there sure as hell is an "infront" :P |
| 15:01.38 | cladhaire | no there isn't. |
| 15:01.40 | cladhaire | i would know. |
| 15:01.49 | cladhaire | there is no Prefix anymore in the most recent live version |
| 15:01.51 | Grine | ok... then where do the groupnumbers go? |
| 15:01.52 | cladhaire | hasn't been for a while now. |
| 15:01.57 | cladhaire | they get prepended to the name |
| 15:01.59 | cladhaire | which is not in front. |
| 15:02.03 | cladhaire | its just a concat. |
| 15:02.15 | Grine | aaaaanyway! |
| 15:02.19 | cladhaire | i would liek to reiterate your smoking of the crack. |
| 15:02.42 | Grine | it looks like in front to me. too much crack I suppose |
| 15:02.46 | JoshBorke | to teh left of the bars? |
| 15:02.54 | Grine | ye |
| 15:02.59 | cladhaire | then you hav ea REALLY old bversion |
| 15:03.02 | cladhaire | or one that isn't mine. |
| 15:03.03 | cladhaire | =) |
| 15:04.00 | JoshBorke | cladhaire: update the pics on wowi :-D |
| 15:04.09 | cladhaire | now |
| 15:04.14 | Grine | where is "in front" in your definition then? ;) |
| 15:04.14 | cladhaire | no.. ktkx |
| 15:04.23 | JoshBorke | i didn't say now :-P |
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| 15:06.39 | Grine | oh well, latest SVN does "# - Playername" with groupnumbers enabled :P |
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| 15:10.35 | Kevorkian | Josh, you active? |
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| 15:11.36 | JoshBorke | Kevorkian: pong |
| 15:11.41 | Kevorkian | :) |
| 15:12.04 | Kevorkian | how's your KB coming along? Our guild is looking at setting one up and I thought of you. |
| 15:12.30 | JoshBorke | Kevorkian: meh, i haven't had much time to really play test it. it's available at http://www.wowace.com/files/GuildBook |
| 15:13.02 | Kevorkian | well you may get some free play testing then |
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| 15:13.13 | JoshBorke | that would be excellent |
| 15:13.22 | JoshBorke | i can set it up on my own SVN server if you'd like to contribute code back to it |
| 15:13.52 | Grine | KB=? |
| 15:13.57 | JoshBorke | knowledge-base |
| 15:14.07 | Grine | ok |
| 15:14.12 | JoshBorke | i'm the author of GuildBook, a (beta) mod that will simulate a wiki in wow |
| 15:14.24 | kaiden | wikiwikidoo |
| 15:14.33 | Kevorkian | I suspect we would, we're going to see if we can adapt parts of it to track miscreants in the guild |
| 15:14.45 | JoshBorke | o.O |
| 15:14.58 | Grine | why track when yuo can /gkick? :P |
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| 15:15.54 | Kevorkian | grine: we're moderately tolerant and like to give folks a few chances to screw up. Besides the sort of shenanigans we're tracking aren't necessarily kick worthy, just want to keep track of folks who are late to events. |
| 15:16.05 | Kevorkian | and who leave early etc. |
| 15:16.13 | Kevorkian | and who piss off the raid leader by not getting on TS |
| 15:16.20 | JoshBorke | Kevorkian: ooo, you could even test/write the encryption portion |
| 15:16.32 | Grine | :) Kevorkian |
| 15:16.34 | Kevorkian | yep :) |
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| 15:17.23 | JoshBorke | i've included the files in with the externals of guildbook, just haven't gotten around to writing that portion yet |
| 15:17.44 | Kevorkian | although honestly it'd likely be our webmonkey |
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| 15:24.27 | JoshBorke | Kevorkian: so are you saying you don't want to use/test GuildBook? |
| 15:24.56 | Kevorkian | *boggle*!? I thought I just said the opposite |
| 15:25.03 | JoshBorke | 10:17:44 < Kevorkian:#wowi-lounge> although honestly it'd likely be our webmonkey |
| 15:25.06 | JoshBorke | o.O |
| 15:25.27 | Kevorkian | meaning that any code we revise will likely be written by our webmonkey. he's more codish than I am at the moment |
| 15:25.35 | JoshBorke | oh, lol |
| 15:25.42 | JoshBorke | yea, sure, let me get it set up then |
| 15:25.58 | Kevorkian | having trouble getting to wowace |
| 15:26.07 | JoshBorke | heh |
| 15:26.15 | Kevorkian | no dns |
| 15:26.29 | Kevorkian | actually, no server |
| 15:26.35 | JoshBorke | 65.98.61.58 |
| 15:29.43 | Kevorkian | what other mods have you done josh? our webmonkey thinks your name is familiar |
| 15:30.01 | wereHamster | is there a warrior trainer in honor hold? or somewhere in the outlands? |
| 15:30.12 | JoshBorke | I wrote GreaterBuff/RaidBuffs. HealWatch, LootTracker (awful awful mod) |
| 15:30.37 | JoshBorke | oh, and my niftiest! Borked_Monitor! |
| 15:30.50 | JoshBorke | http://www.wowinterface.com/list.php?skinnerid=27403 |
| 15:31.37 | JoshBorke | i <3 borked_monitor |
| 15:31.37 | wereHamster | btw, how can I delete addons from wowi? |
| 15:31.42 | JoshBorke | just because it's purty |
| 15:32.02 | JoshBorke | what are you trying to delete? |
| 15:32.13 | wereHamster | my old addons |
| 15:32.37 | wereHamster | I just saw that I have a lot old addons on wowi: http://www.wowinterface.com/list.php?skinnerid=26044 |
| 15:32.59 | JoshBorke | are you going to update coolDown to TBC? |
| 15:33.25 | wereHamster | it is.. in SVN |
| 15:33.33 | wereHamster | just need to change teh toc numbers |
| 15:33.38 | JoshBorke | did you convert it to ace? |
| 15:33.44 | wereHamster | no, never :P |
| 15:33.46 | JoshBorke | yay :-D |
| 15:34.17 | JoshBorke | cladhaire: ping |
| 15:34.32 | cladhaire | pong |
| 15:34.32 | cladhaire | hi |
| 15:34.33 | grimman|afkish | Just heard a rumor that Shadowstep has been removed. Confirm? |
| 15:35.00 | JoshBorke | if i ask you really really nicely, will you tell me how i can make a automagic script to zip up addons as they are modified in my svn? |
| 15:35.10 | cladhaire | yo make a post commit script |
| 15:35.14 | cladhaire | the detaiksl of which i leave to you |
| 15:35.23 | haste | grimman|afkish: it hasn't |
| 15:35.31 | grimman|afkish | haste: Thanks. |
| 15:35.49 | JoshBorke | but how do you determine which one was modified? :-( |
| 15:35.59 | cladhaire | svnlook dirs-changed |
| 15:36.23 | JoshBorke | oh, ok, cool, thanks :-D |
| 15:37.52 | wereHamster | is string.find case-sensitive? |
| 15:38.17 | JoshBorke | yes |
| 15:39.12 | JoshBorke | [Yy][Oo][Uu] [Cc][Aa][Nn] [Dd][Oo] [Tt][Hh][Ii][Ss] [Tt][Hh][Oo][Uu][Gg][Hh] :) |
| 15:39.41 | wereHamster | [Tt][Hh][Aa][Nn][Kk][Ss] |
| 15:40.10 | JoshBorke | [Nn][Pp] |
| 15:40.50 | krka_ | [Ww][Tt][Ff] |
| 15:40.55 | krka_ | i need a script for producing such output |
| 15:41.17 | Saroz | Anyone got a raid going in TBC, alliance tempest keep? |
| 15:41.20 | JoshBorke | no you don't :-P |
| 15:42.18 | krka_ | yes i do! |
| 15:43.19 | krka_ | [Ii][Tt] [Ww][Ii][Ll][Ll] [Bb][Ee] [Tt][Hh][Ee] [Bb][Ee][Ss][Tt] [Ss][Cc][Rr][Ii][Pp][Tt] [Ee][Vv][Ee][Rr] |
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| 15:43.48 | JoshBorke | [Ii] [Hh][Aa][Tt][Ee] [Yy][Oo][Uu] |
| 15:43.51 | FelixTeCat | Hey JoshBorke love your healwatch |
| 15:44.07 | wereHamster | do you guys have a script or do you just type that fast? |
| 15:44.50 | krka_ | I typed that :( |
| 15:44.52 | krka_ | i suck at life |
| 15:45.03 | krka_ | fast? i typed that slowly |
| 15:45.37 | JoshBorke | FelixTeCat: heh, i think it sucks :-P |
| 15:45.46 | Cide | ([Yy][Ee][Ss]%s+[Yy][Oo][Uu]%s+[Dd][Oo])? |
| 15:45.47 | JoshBorke | FelixTeCat: i'm writing an upgrade to it for TBC. it'll support all classes |
| 15:46.00 | JoshBorke | i just type that fast |
| 15:46.36 | FelixTeCat | Thats cool, I play a ton of healing class's and I made a few comp. a few use healwatch and a few use healsync |
| 15:46.55 | JoshBorke | i think HealSync is superior because it just works |
| 15:47.04 | JoshBorke | i still have issues wwith it though :-P (i hate the scan per cast :-P) |
| 15:47.11 | wereHamster | I need to copy my paladin to The TBS server to be able to test HealSync :( |
| 15:47.13 | FelixTeCat | Yeah |
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| 15:49.54 | FelixTeCat | I been working on my latest comp I reduced its footstamp down to 16megs |
| 15:50.08 | JoshBorke | nice |
| 15:50.29 | FelixTeCat | Yeah when my latest pretty one took 76 megs O.o |
| 15:50.46 | smoke_ | hey guys, im really new to lua/scripting wow mods, i was wondering if its possible to scan the chat of a certain channel for a phrase, and when it sees the phrase it whispers the person with something |
| 15:50.54 | smoke_ | i know there is whisper cast so it has to be somewhat possible |
| 15:51.25 | wereHamster | average wait time: 4 days :( |
| 15:51.32 | JoshBorke | smoke_: yes, it is possible |
| 15:51.49 | smoke_ | k |
| 15:51.56 | JoshBorke | no, i don't know exactly how to do it |
| 15:53.10 | FelixTeCat | Here was a SS of my last comp http://www.9levelsunderground.com/uploads/james_lane/Here.jpg |
| 15:53.24 | smoke_ | is there a specific library that prases the chat log? |
| 15:57.36 | wereHamster | doesn't UNIT_SPELLCAST_DELAYED have the delay time in argX? |
| 15:58.52 | JoshBorke | wereHamster: don't think so |
| 15:58.55 | smoke_ | ok i got my functions |
| 15:59.02 | JoshBorke | wereHamster: I think you have to query UnitCastingInfo(<unit>) |
| 15:59.58 | smoke_ | if im assigning GetChatWindowMessages to a table, do i have to make a while loop that constantly prases the text for the "key word" im looking for? |
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| 16:13.02 | wereHamster | is 'startTime' in UnitCastingInfo("unit") the same for all or does that depend on the local clock? |
| 16:13.37 | JoshBorke | wereHamster: I'd assume it was local clock dependent |
| 16:22.18 | JoshBorke | hrmph, this is a pain |
| 16:23.02 | Saeris | I've created a secure button, set "unit" to "targettarget", set "type*" to "target", and confirmed that it is calling SecureActionButton_OnClick and that all of the return values from the functions that function calls are in line with what I set. However, it does nothing. What gives? |
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| 16:25.21 | cogwheel | Are you sure your target has a target? |
| 16:25.59 | Saeris | Hahaha, nevermind, I'm a moron. It only looked like it was doing nothing because I had myself targeted. :D Carry on. |
| 16:26.05 | cogwheel | :) |
| 16:26.18 | Shadowed | was going to say, just tried it and it worked fine :p |
| 16:26.50 | wereHamster | why doesn't for k,v in ipairs(...) work? |
| 16:27.00 | cogwheel | it does |
| 16:27.02 | Shadowed | though it was pairs not ipairs? |
| 16:27.27 | cogwheel | ipairs is for integer indexes, pairs is for arbitrary indexes |
| 16:27.46 | Shadowed | ah |
| 16:28.11 | JoshBorke | yay! |
| 16:28.15 | Saeris | Additionally, ipairs starts at index 1 and terminates at the first nil index thereafter. The order of pairs is not defined. |
| 16:28.45 | JoshBorke | integer index ;-) |
| 16:29.12 | Shadowed | Anyone bored and not mind logging into beta? need to do some raid frame testing |
| 16:29.41 | wereHamster | bad argument to ipairs, table expected, got string |
| 16:29.52 | cogwheel | bored? yes... mind? no... but still can't 'cause i'm at work :( |
| 16:29.59 | cogwheel | so don't pass it a string :P |
| 16:30.15 | cogwheel | what exactly are you trying to accomplish? |
| 16:31.05 | wereHamster | iterate through all args and do something with each one |
| 16:31.17 | JoshBorke | wereHamster: pastey the code? |
| 16:31.49 | cogwheel | wereHamster: for i = 1, select("#", ...) do |
| 16:31.57 | wereHamster | http://wowi.pastey.net/2516 |
| 16:32.23 | cogwheel | ... is not a table. imagine it as a function that returns multiple values |
| 16:32.25 | wereHamster | cogwheel, I knwo that's possible, but you said 'for k,v in ipairs(...)' works :p |
| 16:32.36 | cogwheel | on tables yes |
| 16:32.38 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 16:32.49 | JoshBorke | ... is not a table |
| 16:32.53 | JoshBorke | it's a list |
| 16:33.01 | cogwheel | you're literally passing all your function's arguments to the ipairs function |
| 16:33.16 | wereHamster | I see.. |
| 16:33.22 | Shadowed | cogwheel: i'll just harras a guildy into helping :p |
| 16:33.29 | cogwheel | :) |
| 16:34.14 | cogwheel | for i = 1, select("#", ...) do blah = select(i, ...) end |
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| 16:42.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | kalmindor's been down for a few hours now :/ |
| 16:42.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | kalimdor* |
| 16:42.44 | Saeris | on which server? |
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| 16:52.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | ptr sae |
| 16:54.06 | Jaxine | is slouken a bit late with this post? http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=47201637&pageNo=1&sid=1#0 |
| 16:56.50 | Kaso | ptr is still on 2.0.1 right? |
| 16:56.58 | Jaxine | yes |
| 16:57.05 | Jaxine | as of like an hour ago |
| 16:57.20 | Kaso | that aint so good, theres a couple UI changes in the latest patch which will error addons |
| 16:57.33 | cogwheel | i think he just wanted to add a bit of redundancy so no one misses it (in case they don't read the General forum ;) ) |
| 16:57.41 | Jaxine | i believe the PTR is in a feature freeze |
| 16:57.53 | Kaso | hm? |
| 16:58.08 | Jaxine | i don't think they will update it to 2.0.2 before it goes live |
| 16:58.35 | Jaxine | it's the way QA works |
| 16:59.03 | Kaso | then i think a few addons will still not work come release |
| 16:59.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | a lot more than just addons probably |
| 17:00.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | since they're not testing 2.0.2 non-bc except entirely internally |
| 17:00.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | there's bound to be problems on launch |
| 17:00.44 | wereHamster | JoshBorke, do you still use SendAddonMessage? If yes, waht do you send to the channel? |
| 17:01.03 | cogwheel | There will probably be another PTR for 2.0.2 after 2.0.1 goes live |
| 17:01.51 | cogwheel | 2.0.2 should be the actual compatability patch for the BC release. |
| 17:01.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm thinking 2.0.1 will be out about december 1-15 |
| 17:02.38 | Jaxine | my guess is december 12 |
| 17:02.45 | Jaxine | maybe 19 |
| 17:02.48 | Beladona | wdn updated with yesterdays patch |
| 17:02.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | any later and they'll essentially have lied |
| 17:03.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | since they mentioned enjoying it over the holidays and stuff, but then again they've flat out lied before, this is less direct than they've done before |
| 17:04.17 | nevcairiel | Beladona: diffing the files doesnt work |
| 17:04.30 | nevcairiel | like the "View" link |
| 17:04.35 | Beladona | fixing |
| 17:05.40 | JoshBorke | wereHamster: with regards to HealWatch/its succesor? |
| 17:05.59 | wereHamster | yes |
| 17:06.09 | JoshBorke | wereHamster: yes. all I send now is the target |
| 17:07.54 | Beladona | nevcairiel: it is fixed now |
| 17:08.52 | JoshBorke | hm, Kevorkian left :-( |
| 17:09.12 | JoshBorke | oh well |
| 17:11.47 | nevcairiel | i wonder if the changes fixed the bug i had |
| 17:14.55 | JoshBorke | taha! i have replicated (mostly) an automagic zip script! |
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| 17:15.17 | Laric | is there any changelist somewhere for 2.0.2.6144? |
| 17:15.45 | Antiarc | There was a player-compiled one on the beta forums |
| 17:16.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | Druids may no longer talk in party, guild or any other type of chat in feral forms. We felt as though this was removing immersion for more important classes. |
| 17:17.04 | Neuro_Medivh | druids got fixed, mages got screwed, that's the long and short of it |
| 17:17.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | fixed? we were fixed when 2.0.2 first hit but we're broke again :/ |
| 17:20.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | maybe blizzard will notice this decidedly different player response and respond in a way that makes sense again :] |
| 17:26.35 | Neuro_Medivh | Lemme guess, you want noggenfogger back? |
| 17:27.06 | kaiden | noggenfogger back que? |
| 17:27.07 | kaiden | what happened |
| 17:27.33 | zenzelezz | I would bother complaining about it; if it had been on live but remove then perhaps... but for something that briefly existed on beta, well, they clearly decided they didn't want it |
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| 17:28.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | <Neuro_Medivh> Lemme guess, you want noggenfogger back? |
| 17:29.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't care about noggenfogger |
| 17:29.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's just a visual change |
| 17:29.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | i want potions and weapon procs and bandages and talking to npcs and being able to open chests in forms |
| 17:29.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | unnecessary limits that don't make any damn sense :/ |
| 17:30.18 | JoshBorke | i can see it now, a dire bear sitting back on its haunches, using its paws to use bandages |
| 17:30.21 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 17:30.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | they even added animations and everything |
| 17:30.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | for bandaging and eating |
| 17:30.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | and etc |
| 17:31.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | it was there. people were happy. and then it was no more. |
| 17:31.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | so the people are pissed. |
| 17:31.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | because we've been asking for those things forever |
| 17:31.33 | JoshBorke | anyway, lunch time |
| 17:32.08 | zenzelezz | I'd say they tested it, but came to the conclusion that it didn't fit their design |
| 17:33.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | well they shouldn't have dangled it infront of our faces only to snatch it away, it's like we were heading in the right direction then suddenly someone kicked us in the junk |
| 17:33.42 | zenzelezz | easier to test if you get to observe players using it rather than just in-house test it |
| 17:33.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | well i don't see any way in which it could be overpowered in any way |
| 17:34.12 | DrDre | its not, i fully agree with you rabies |
| 17:34.18 | DrDre | most fucked up change ive ever seen |
| 17:34.25 | DrDre | and im not even a druid |
| 17:34.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | most every weapon proc have a cap to how many times they go per minute |
| 17:34.30 | zenzelezz | I'm not sure myself, but I disagree with shouting foul play about it |
| 17:34.40 | DrDre | wtf do they expect to do about thistle tea then? |
| 17:34.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | DrDre, a LOT of druids and non druids are in agreement with me |
| 17:34.54 | Antiarc | It's beta. Things are subject to change. |
| 17:34.58 | zenzelezz | that's what the betas/test server is for, to try stuff before deciding to push it to live |
| 17:35.01 | Antiarc | They aren't "dangling" features, they're testing them. |
| 17:35.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | and we're subject to flipping out when we disagree with changes |
| 17:35.08 | Antiarc | If they'd pushed that live and then revoked it, I'd agree with you. |
| 17:35.09 | Antiarc | But it's beta. |
| 17:35.39 | Antiarc | Sure, flip out. I'm ok with that. Just explaining why it's not reasonable to claim that Blizz is playing bait-n-switch. |
| 17:35.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | they should be listening to player feedback |
| 17:36.01 | zenzelezz | you think they're not? |
| 17:36.10 | Antiarc | If they listened to player feedback, everyone would one-shot everything and have Divine Shield. |
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| 17:36.15 | Antiarc | On a 11-second cooldown. |
| 17:36.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | they finally listened to us after 2 years of asking nicely |
| 17:36.20 | Antiarc | Without Forbearance. |
| 17:36.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | they give it to us, then remove it |
| 17:36.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | so we ask a bit harder |
| 17:36.40 | zenzelezz | no, they DIDN'T give it to you |
| 17:36.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | a LOT harder: http://www.everquestplayer.com/md/druidqq.wmv |
| 17:36.43 | zenzelezz | they tried it out |
| 17:36.53 | Antiarc | They tested it out. they didn't "give it" to anyone. |
| 17:37.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | putting it on a large beta with no signs of it changing is giving it in my opinion |
| 17:37.34 | Mery | well thats why it is BETA! imo |
| 17:37.43 | zenzelezz | a beta is a testing ground, not a place where you everything you see make it to live |
| 17:37.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | well we're offering suggestions of them changing it back |
| 17:37.46 | Antiarc | Well, unfortunately for the druids, your opinion doesn't decide what stays and goes. :) |
| 17:37.47 | Mery | and it is "testing" all things are subject to change |
| 17:37.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | just in a more vocal manner than before |
| 17:38.20 | Antiarc | Personally, I'd just be happy with some tested-and-withdrawn features that at least indicate they're working on my class. |
| 17:38.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | so you'd be happy if they removed shadowstep and put CoS back as the 41 point talent if you were a rogue? |
| 17:39.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | you'd just take it and be perfectly happy regardless? |
| 17:39.19 | Mery | well as long as it hasn't been on live i see no point in crying whatever it is |
| 17:39.32 | zenzelezz | you're taking this to extremes |
| 17:39.33 | Antiarc | If they felt that trainable CoS didn't work, sure. I'd prefer to be imba, sure( who wouldn't?), but at least they're working on the class. |
| 17:39.44 | kaiden | my main in live is a rogue.. after trying it in beta.. my main is no longer a rogue |
| 17:39.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's the same thing zenz, they show signs of listening to us and then decide not to instad |
| 17:39.49 | Antiarc | Shadowstep is pretty broken as is, and not in a good way. |
| 17:39.49 | zenzelezz | we'd be annoyed, but we realize that until it's in the patch notes/on live, it's just not guaranteed to make it there |
| 17:40.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | my main is a druid and after hearing from beta i no longer have a main |
| 17:40.16 | Antiarc | It's a 41-point Sub talent geared towards daggers, but you can't really be 41-sub and get Lethality and Imp BS, both of which are critical Dagger talents. |
| 17:40.25 | Antiarc | Because you can't use potions? Kneejerk much? |
| 17:40.32 | Antiarc | Druids have gotten massively, massively buffed. |
| 17:40.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | no, it's not about the potions really |
| 17:40.44 | kaiden | i have to say the fact that they gave druids potions and then took them away it's stupid |
| 17:41.00 | kaiden | there is no logical reason other than the fact that they are in "animal" form that they shouldn't get potions |
| 17:41.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's about the fact that they made us incredibly happy with a small change then removed it |
| 17:41.08 | Mery | balance reasons |
| 17:41.18 | Mery | as long as they cannot pot or use proccs |
| 17:41.25 | Antiarc | I'm pretty sure they did it specifically to piss you off, Mr_Rabies |
| 17:41.28 | Mery | you can make other things stronger |
| 17:41.45 | Antiarc | They sat down and said "Hm, how could we piss off the druids? Boy, that sure would be fun!" |
| 17:41.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'd take a freeze of 2.0.2 with no updates for weapon procs and potions |
| 17:41.49 | Antiarc | I mean, come on, be realistic. |
| 17:41.52 | Mery | the thing druids don't notice is: if they allow you to pot, they gotta take away something else |
| 17:41.52 | zenzelezz | the problem is that you seem to think of the change as something that had been set in stone before it even rolled past beta |
| 17:41.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | just to know they were listening to us. |
| 17:42.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | hell |
| 17:42.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'd take 2.0.2 without them ever even trying weapon buffs or potions |
| 17:42.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | at least externally |
| 17:42.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | we're doing all we can to encourage them to change it back at this point |
| 17:43.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | even if it cuts the druid population way down due to bannings and cancelations |
| 17:43.10 | Neuro_Medivh | It's funny |
| 17:43.17 | Neuro_Medivh | Blizzard can do no right |
| 17:43.23 | kaiden | i think the thing most druids dont realize is, it is possible to be uber in feral form even in live.. my guild raids and has bwl on farm status and part of aq40 and we have druid mt's for various boss fights throughout all of the instances |
| 17:43.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | they did a lot of right |
| 17:43.25 | DrDre | How to spot a farmer bot: Someone who continues to keep killing mobs after being ganked. |
| 17:43.26 | Neuro_Medivh | if they start weak and slowly move up strong |
| 17:43.32 | Neuro_Medivh | they get bitched at |
| 17:43.38 | DrDre | and doesnt put a flare up when its a rogue |
| 17:43.40 | Neuro_Medivh | "Our new talents suck!" |
| 17:43.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | then they took it all away by going back downhill |
| 17:43.47 | Neuro_Medivh | If they start strong and go weak |
| 17:43.54 | Neuro_Medivh | they get bitched at for nerfing |
| 17:44.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | <kaiden> i think the thing most druids dont realize is, it is possible to be uber in feral form even in live.. my guild raids and has bwl on farm status and part of aq40 and we have druid mt's for various boss fights throughout all of the instances |
| 17:44.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | how does adding potions and procs make us from decent to overpowered all of a sudden? |
| 17:45.03 | kaiden | when did i say overpowered at all? |
| 17:45.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | well, you implied that we're uber without it |
| 17:45.10 | Neuro_Medivh | That's a question for them |
| 17:45.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | one step above uber is overpowered |
| 17:45.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | a question we're answering. it doesn't. |
| 17:45.14 | Neuro_Medivh | my point is, they're never going to hit the exact mark |
| 17:45.14 | kaiden | actually i'm all for you getting pots |
| 17:45.22 | kaiden | though you complaining about not being good enough without them.. is ridiculous |
| 17:45.32 | Neuro_Medivh | then don't answer it via whining and yelling about how they are nerfing you. |
| 17:45.38 | kaiden | i think you should have procs and pots as everyone else has them.. so why shouldn't you be able to reap the same rewards |
| 17:45.39 | Neuro_Medivh | cause they won't respond that way |
| 17:45.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's that we have unnecessary limitations that don't make sense. |
| 17:45.46 | Neuro_Medivh | construct logical and sound arguments |
| 17:45.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | they didn't answer to us making logical and sound arguements for 2 years |
| 17:45.57 | kaiden | however, dont in any way put words into my mouth saying i'm saying you are overpowered |
| 17:46.00 | Neuro_Medivh | find out WHY they removed it |
| 17:46.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | people have asked nicely |
| 17:46.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | and gotten no answers, plenty of people have |
| 17:46.20 | Mery | Neuro_Medivh: but nobody (on the forums) will listen to them and support you because it is easier to just cry =P |
| 17:46.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | sometimes you gotta shake the place up to get answers |
| 17:46.52 | Neuro_Medivh | shrug, then you're screwed regardless |
| 17:47.10 | Neuro_Medivh | That doesn't really work |
| 17:47.17 | Neuro_Medivh | cause you don't really have any power |
| 17:47.33 | Neuro_Medivh | if "shaking things up" worked, Mages would have gotten invisibility 2 years ago |
| 17:47.39 | Neuro_Medivh | but we lost it in beta |
| 17:47.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | we have enough power to make a server unplayable and the forums unreadable |
| 17:47.53 | Neuro_Medivh | Please |
| 17:47.55 | Mery | LOL |
| 17:48.28 | kaiden | in all honesty everyone complains about every class as being overpowered in some way |
| 17:48.37 | Neuro_Medivh | class solidarity will never happen |
| 17:48.41 | Neuro_Medivh | for any class |
| 17:48.45 | kaiden | everyone says rogues are overpowered i still dont see it.. as i think they absolutely suck in beta |
| 17:48.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | at worst itll get the same lack of a response that the two years of being nice has given |
| 17:49.09 | Neuro_Medivh | actually, it may make it worse |
| 17:49.16 | kaiden | in beta i dont kill nearly as fast on my rogue with full tier 2 on compared to a non tier gear'd warlock or mage |
| 17:49.35 | kaiden | but meh.. that just means i'll stick to grouping which isn't so bad :) |
| 17:50.01 | Neuro_Medivh | kaiden, what level? |
| 17:50.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't think anyone's particularly overpowered from what i've seen of beta, but answering a long asked for request publically finally then deciding they don't like it is just mean |
| 17:50.20 | kaiden | i couldnt' stand him at 60 so i just gave up.. it was sad to see a 58 lock killing those mobs faster than i could |
| 17:50.28 | kaiden | i was like bleh.. not even worth wasting my time on |
| 17:50.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | what if they fixed vanish then broke it back because they liked the broken version better? |
| 17:50.45 | Neuro_Medivh | lol, they've done that |
| 17:50.47 | kaiden | i have a 60 lock and i'll admit.. they are overpowered :P |
| 17:50.49 | Neuro_Medivh | about 4 times |
| 17:50.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | they've said the broken one is working fine before |
| 17:51.09 | Beladona | the problem is that everyone's play skill is different, but they expect the class to be balanced to their play skill. You can't balance something against something that isn't the same across the board. While one person might be perfectly fine with current druid dynamics, another person isn't, and hence you get bitching |
| 17:51.56 | Beladona | when in reality, it isn't necessarily the class that is broken (not saying it doens't happen) but that often the player themselves are to blame |
| 17:52.07 | Neuro_Medivh | also, class matchups are not even |
| 17:52.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | the thing isn't really about how much potions buff us (it's a really minor buff, though procs are a larger one) it's that they put us on the level of other classes for a bit then dropped us back down a peg |
| 17:52.27 | Neuro_Medivh | like, a mage is at a terrible disadvantage vs a druid |
| 17:52.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | not really anymore neuro |
| 17:52.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | in live, yeah |
| 17:52.49 | Neuro_Medivh | Oh, does polymorph work now? |
| 17:52.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | but on the ptrs and beta the gap got closed a bunch |
| 17:52.54 | Neuro_Medivh | does frost nova? |
| 17:52.55 | kaiden | Mr_Rabies, sorry dude but you guys were really powerful.. when you can watch a cat form druid at lvl 60 kill a lvl 67 mob without blinking |
| 17:52.56 | Beladona | I don't think classes should be on even footing against each other |
| 17:52.58 | kaiden | something is up |
| 17:53.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | frost nova works fine |
| 17:53.12 | DrDre | killing afk bots is fun |
| 17:53.18 | Neuro_Medivh | No, it doesn't |
| 17:53.22 | Neuro_Medivh | shift, shift, charge |
| 17:53.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | frost nova makes us spend 800 mana unless we feel like getting killed |
| 17:53.33 | Neuro_Medivh | Oh noes! |
| 17:53.34 | DrDre | gonna camp his ass until gm handles em |
| 17:53.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | same with the damn chilled effect |
| 17:53.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | 800 mana is about 1/3 of my mana bar if i want to kill you |
| 17:54.18 | Neuro_Medivh | and then I get charged and die |
| 17:54.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | don't get me wrong, i'm not saying chilled is overpowered or anything, it's just really annoying |
| 17:54.37 | Beladona | for a long time, warriors were horribly at a disadvantage against mages in most cases. Not so much now with spell reflect, but I didn't cry. Because I felt like mages SHOULD be hard for a warrior, UNLESS you are good enough player to close the gap and kill them before they can lock and nuke you |
| 17:55.08 | Neuro_Medivh | Yeah, the thing is, with mages and melee classes, it's very binary. |
| 17:55.17 | Neuro_Medivh | If we can keep them at range, we destroy them |
| 17:55.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | how does me charging you make you die? it roots you and does an incredibly short counterspell if you were casting at the same time |
| 17:55.22 | Neuro_Medivh | if we cannot, we get destroyed |
| 17:55.24 | Beladona | I think it adds something to the game to have classes that have to be creative when fighting certain other classes |
| 17:55.25 | kaiden | ok here's the question here's how you decide which class is overpowered... |
| 17:55.33 | kaiden | which class can kill EVERYONE they want to without any trouble |
| 17:55.37 | Neuro_Medivh | warlocks |
| 17:55.41 | kaiden | there you go |
| 17:56.05 | kaiden | druids in feral can kill pretty much anyone they want but they can also be killed easily |
| 17:56.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | druids have lots of situational moves, if those situations come up against other classes, they can work their ass off to beat them |
| 17:56.15 | kaiden | shadow priests... well.. unless you are a rogue they are really tough to deal with |
| 17:56.22 | kaiden | warlocks.. they just screw people up no matter who it is |
| 17:56.27 | Antiarc | Even if you're a rogue they're tough to deal with. |
| 17:56.44 | kaiden | Antiarc, true unless you stunlock |
| 17:56.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | feral druids cannot kill locks or shadow priests unless there's a massive gear difference |
| 17:57.05 | Antiarc | Inner Fire + Shadowform is stupidly high damage mitigation. Add in Fear and PW:S and you're just getting silly. Throw in SW:P and Vamp Embrace and the priest gets to regen while you run around looking silly with SW:P eating your face. |
| 17:57.08 | kaiden | Mr_Rabies, you're not supposed to be able to kill everyone |
| 17:57.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm not saying we are |
| 17:57.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | but you are :P |
| 17:57.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | <kaiden> druids in feral can kill pretty much anyone they want but they can also be killed easily |
| 17:57.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | <Mr_Rabies2> druids have lots of situational moves, if those situations come up against other classe |
| 17:57.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | er oops ignore the second line |
| 17:57.32 | kaiden | Antiarc, i agree .. all those make a formidable foe, but not an impossible foe |
| 17:57.50 | Antiarc | Not impossible, but shadow priests are no walk in the part for rogues :) |
| 17:57.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | hunters are really painful unless you tank them to death |
| 17:57.54 | kaiden | with a smart lock.. your not going to kill him |
| 17:57.59 | Antiarc | Unbreakable Will. |
| 17:58.04 | Antiarc | Sup 15% stun resist. :D |
| 17:58.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've never beaten a lock or shadow priest in a fair fight |
| 17:58.22 | Antiarc | One resisted stun and the rogue's screwed over right proper. |
| 17:58.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | and believe me i've tried everything |
| 17:58.34 | Neuro_Medivh | rogues don't fight 'fair' =) |
| 17:58.37 | kaiden | i beat shadowpriests .. and i beat locks when i can get a stunlock on them |
| 17:58.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | decking myself out in shadow resist gear, massive dps, attrition |
| 17:58.45 | kaiden | and they are stupid locks |
| 17:58.51 | kaiden | but if it's a smart lock.. i never have the chance |
| 17:58.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | none of those really seem to work against those two classes |
| 17:59.01 | Antiarc | I can beat warlocks if I get the jump and they don't have a succy out. |
| 17:59.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | felhunter is the druid's bane |
| 17:59.12 | Antiarc | If they get the jump or have a succy, I'm generally done for. |
| 17:59.21 | Neuro_Medivh | my problem is I cannot play a lock for shit =) |
| 17:59.22 | kaiden | Antiarc, just wait till you get popped by a felguard for 1k damage |
| 17:59.26 | Antiarc | Yeah :( |
| 17:59.27 | kaiden | your gonna say succy what? |
| 17:59.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | i got crit for about 1700 by one :/ |
| 17:59.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | cleave for 1000 melee hit for 700 |
| 17:59.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | crit* |
| 18:00.00 | kaiden | i love my lock he's lvl 65 in beta and i can't deny the fact that they are way overpowered |
| 18:00.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | on the normal melee |
| 18:00.20 | Antiarc | Honestly, I'm probably just going to spec Mutilate and rely on world ganking for most of my PVP kills. It seems like Blizzard is pushing rogues in that direction rather heavily. |
| 18:00.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | that was by a 60 felguard |
| 18:00.28 | kaiden | i was killing 3-4 lvl 65's at the same time at lvl 63 |
| 18:00.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | generally i just kill the lock's pet before i die just to piss him off at this point |
| 18:01.04 | Antiarc | I've noticed that Blizzard is fairly fond of mobs with passive damage shields in Outland. |
| 18:01.14 | Antiarc | The Helboars and Plasma Eels tear me up like crazy. |
| 18:01.19 | Antiarc | Or rather, cause me to tear myself up. |
| 18:01.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | because they like to whine about soulshards like druids like to whine about warlocks |
| 18:01.56 | kaiden | i like to whine about inventory increase availability |
| 18:02.04 | kaiden | i think there should be 28 slot backpacks that are cheap |
| 18:02.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | i like to whine that i have 1 slot open and i'm not packratting at all |
| 18:02.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't have any items in my bags that aren't absolutely necessary :/ |
| 18:02.33 | kaiden | i almost want to say.. ZOMG i'm the most uber person ever i have a 28 slot bag.. that means i can carry more items to kill you with heh |
| 18:03.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | hopefully i can toss my resist gear to empty a few slots come bc |
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| 18:03.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | if i'm still playing :/ |
| 18:03.09 | Antiarc | I desperately need to ditch some resist gear. |
| 18:03.25 | Antiarc | The extra slot in TBC has helped a lot, but it seems like no matter how much room I get, I fill it up with things I need very quickly. |
| 18:03.31 | kaiden | well i haven't experienced many of the instances but it doesn't seem to be needed as much |
| 18:03.35 | kaiden | i can't wait to try out the 25 man raids |
| 18:03.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | if things keep heading in this direction i won't be |
| 18:04.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm just hoping blizzard will realize that the majority of druids, and even a pretty decent amount of non druids, aren't happy at all with the change |
| 18:04.39 | kaiden | you've got my vote, however at the same time i think they need to tone down your soloability just a tad |
| 18:05.13 | Mery | well I bet I could clean your inventory of useless stuff, but the problem is i can't clean mine because eveything took work to get and I can't just throw that things away even though I will never really need them again |
| 18:05.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'd be fine with rage pots and thistle tea being rogue only still as long as i could use pots and get procs |
| 18:05.13 | Antiarc | Druids will keep playing. They kept playing when 31 resto was their only option due to Innervate. They'll keep playing after these changes. :P |
| 18:05.14 | kaiden | they should tone down the ability to kill mobs 5-7 levels higher than you, take away your rage pots / thistle tea, give you the ability to use health and mana potions in feral |
| 18:05.14 | Antiarc | I got -ripped apart- by a cat druid the other day. It was...kinda embarrasing. |
| 18:05.14 | kaiden | let you talk in feral, eat food and use bandages |
| 18:05.15 | kaiden | and you'd be perfect |
| 18:05.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | Anti, the thing is after all that, the majority of us are just work down :/ |
| 18:05.19 | Antiarc | It was a straight up toe-to-toe DPS fight and he tore me apart. |
| 18:05.22 | Antiarc | And I'm a Naxx-geared rogue. |
| 18:05.37 | pastamancer | feral druids should be seen and not heard! :p |
| 18:05.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | 5-7 levels ahead has to be some kind of bug or something, i don't see how every hit's not glancing |
| 18:05.56 | Antiarc | They're changing glancing mechanics to some degree |
| 18:06.00 | Antiarc | But! |
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| 18:06.21 | Antiarc | A lot of druid damage comes from bleeds, which are unaffected by armor, and specials aren't affected by glances. |
| 18:06.22 | kaiden | Mr_Rabies, dunno i see it all the time go look in zangar marsh at all the 60 druids killing the 64's and the 60-61 druids fighting in nagrand / blades edge |
| 18:07.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | a lot of druids still have the memory in the back of their mind when they couldn't kill onlevel nonelites, and only elites 5 levels below them |
| 18:07.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | me being one of those |
| 18:07.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | i remember almost quitting because i couldn't kill the damn plants in ungoro or the damn treants in feralas |
| 18:08.08 | kaiden | SOOOO on a lighter note... did you guys hear about the cat in brazil that had puppies/cat mixed liter |
| 18:09.00 | kaiden | http://tinyurl.com/unbeq |
| 18:09.08 | kaiden | i thought it was kinda interesting if it turns out to be true |
| 18:09.31 | End | weird |
| 18:09.50 | Mike-N-Go | #bets-friends |
| 18:09.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm thinking since improved leader of the pack and nurturing instinct got nerfed our soloability already took a hit, kaid : |
| 18:10.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | :x |
| 18:10.08 | Mike-N-Go | #best-friends * |
| 18:11.39 | Antiarc | Ok, I might be wrong, but the Imp LotP change was -2% crit, yes? |
| 18:11.44 | Antiarc | That's not really much of a nerf. |
| 18:11.53 | Antiarc | It hurts, sure, but it's not game-altering |
| 18:12.26 | End | they nerfed the heal part of imp lotp |
| 18:12.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah |
| 18:12.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | they basically removed a point from imp lotp |
| 18:12.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | instead of 2/4/6 it's 2/4 now |
| 18:13.11 | Antiarc | Imp LotP had a heal component? |
| 18:13.22 | End | that's the -whole- point of imp lotp |
| 18:13.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | improved is 6% of your health every time you crit |
| 18:13.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | once per 6 sec |
| 18:13.28 | SB1-Work | So yeah, I really really want to ask someone inside blizzard about their WoW linux client now. |
| 18:13.36 | Antiarc | Aha, yes. I was thinking standard LotP |
| 18:13.41 | End | lotp is just +crit, imp lotp is heal a bit when you get critted |
| 18:13.52 | End | (or party members, obviously) |
| 18:14.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | not when you get critted |
| 18:14.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | when you crit |
| 18:14.13 | End | oh |
| 18:14.15 | End | nvm |
| 18:14.16 | End | you are right |
| 18:14.35 | End | that's probably a lot better it works that way |
| 18:14.43 | End | since that means it works well with lotp |
| 18:14.50 | End | (being it is based off of it) |
| 18:14.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah, with 6% it was a good number to put a druid in a rogue group or something |
| 18:15.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | it was supposed to help us get into raids for more than just healing a bit easier |
| 18:15.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | apparently they got amnesia and forgot |
| 18:17.20 | Antiarc | 4% is still nice |
| 18:17.40 | kaiden | :P |
| 18:17.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah but it's not quite good enough to pick a druid instead of just chucking in a 28th rogue |
| 18:17.54 | Antiarc | In raids, I'll probably be critting every 3 sec or so. |
| 18:18.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | 6 sec proc limit though |
| 18:18.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | they should drop it to a 4 sec proc limit since it's only 4%, that would be good too |
| 18:18.18 | Antiarc | Oh, I disagree. I'd love to have an Imp LotP druid in my party in fights where I'm taking periodic damage. |
| 18:18.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | be nice if they meant it to be 3/6 |
| 18:19.04 | Antiarc | It's not a lot, but top it with a Heroism card, the 2 piece Bonescythe, and a crusader enchant or two, then throw in Judgement of Light and we're talking really nice steady health regen. |
| 18:19.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | 6% is about 350 hp every 6 sec for me |
| 18:19.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | on live |
| 18:19.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | at 60 |
| 18:20.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | er |
| 18:20.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | on ptr |
| 18:20.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | my health is pretty much the same on live as the ptr |
| 18:20.37 | Antiarc | 4% would be 188 for me. It's not a lot, but it'll add up in a sustained fight. |
| 18:20.48 | Antiarc | I've been doing my outlands grinding with Heroism, and it's the same deal. |
| 18:20.59 | End | Mr_Rabies2, is that in bear form? |
| 18:21.01 | Antiarc | Also, I'd bet money that it's affected by Quick Recovery. |
| 18:21.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm happy with a lot of the changes, but finally implementing a long awaited change they blamed on programming issues then removing it for no reason so far isn't cool with me |
| 18:21.19 | Antiarc | Heroism gets a 20% bonus from Quick Recovery, so rogues would really be getting +4.8% HP from imp LotP |
| 18:21.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | end, that's in cat |
| 18:21.39 | End | you have almost 6k health in cat? |
| 18:21.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | no, i guess i should check my numbers then |
| 18:21.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | i can't because kalimdor has been down for about 6 hours now |
| 18:22.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | :/ |
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| 18:23.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | i decided to port to moonglade to test out dps on some mobs in winterspring |
| 18:23.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | and bam disconnected, and i haven't been able to get back on in hours :/ |
| 18:23.55 | grimman|afkish | Odd how it's mostly Kalimdor that goes down... or so it seems anyway. |
| 18:24.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | it is really weird |
| 18:24.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | since there has to be more people on EK |
| 18:24.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | i mean hell there's like 5 alliance in silithus and like 20 horde on the server probably |
| 18:24.34 | grimman|afkish | Last time I experienced it it was also Kalimdor. |
| 18:24.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | but i went to IF and there's about 600 people crammed at the arena battlemaster |
| 18:25.04 | grimman|afkish | hehe |
| 18:25.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | seriously about 300 i'd say |
| 18:25.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | so many |
| 18:25.25 | grimman|afkish | Org is the horde IF though. But I've never seen Org as bad as IF. |
| 18:25.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | people |
| 18:25.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah, nowhere near as many horde |
| 18:25.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | i can't tell you how many more alliance groups i fought in the arena than horde |
| 18:25.53 | grimman|afkish | <caps>WEEELL, I GUESS IT COULD BE DARNASSUS!</caps> |
| 18:26.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | on my main server |
| 18:26.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | there's more nightelf hunters than the entire horde |
| 18:26.16 | End | even TB is better than darnassus |
| 18:26.18 | grimman|afkish | LOL, yeah. |
| 18:26.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | i did a census+ over about a week or so |
| 18:26.37 | grimman|afkish | And yeah @ End too... but tbh they're just too out of the way. |
| 18:26.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | and there were more NE hunters than the entire horde combined |
| 18:26.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | the exodar's not much closer |
| 18:27.31 | grimman|afkish | Hehe. I've done my fair share of Census taking and yeah, it's always hunters. And night elves. No other race/class combo takes as much time to survey. ;P |
| 18:27.53 | kaiden | Mr_Rabies, you know that's going to change when blood elves come out |
| 18:28.03 | grimman|afkish | Kinda makes me ashamed to say my first and fav char is a... night elf hunter. ;P |
| 18:28.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | i hope so |
| 18:28.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | i want my queues to be less than 10 mins for wsg and ab |
| 18:28.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | and less than an hour and a half for av |
| 18:28.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | i have an orc hunter |
| 18:28.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | i haven't a clue what to do with him with the new talents |
| 18:28.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | i logged in |
| 18:28.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | got confused and then logged out |
| 18:29.38 | grimman|afkish | The new talents are wonderful. :) |
| 18:29.40 | grimman|afkish | BUT |
| 18:30.01 | grimman|afkish | I hate the fact that they moved the hawk eye talent to the survival tree. |
| 18:30.13 | grimman|afkish | I think that's what it's called anyway. |
| 18:30.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | i was like ....hrm...half my ranged attack power...more crit though.....no talent points in anything...broken tooth will be 2.0 soon... i haven't been following anything in hunter changes... i'll mess with it later, i've got stuff to mangle |
| 18:30.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | i like that it's a tier 1 talent though |
| 18:30.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | you're more likely to get it in other trees now |
| 18:30.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | the trees are really weird for level 60 |
| 18:30.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | they don't have any synergy until you start getting close to 70 |
| 18:30.58 | grimman|afkish | Oh, it wasn't tier1 when the talents were first announced I think. |
| 18:31.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah it's a tier 1 talent in survival now |
| 18:31.19 | grimman|afkish | Actually, MM spec with the leftover points spent in BM works very nicely. |
| 18:31.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | if i could get the beast within and mortal shots i'd be set |
| 18:31.41 | grimman|afkish | Though the pet will still lose aggro alot until you can spent points in damage generation. |
| 18:31.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | i wonder if the german localization for the beast within is "das tier in mier" |
| 18:32.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | because if so i want the german version cause that song rocks |
| 18:32.22 | grimman|afkish | Never thought of that. |
| 18:32.35 | grimman|afkish | "tier 1 talent" gets a whole new meaning in German. ;P |
| 18:32.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://youtube.com/watch?v=q_vgmepNNm0 |
| 18:32.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | watch^ |
| 18:33.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | terrible terrible cg |
| 18:33.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | but a good song |
| 18:33.22 | grimman|afkish | Will watch, but the buffering is terribly slow. |
| 18:33.49 | grimman|afkish | And I have a cold, so I have to afk to... let's say "clear my head a bit". |
| 18:34.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | colds suck |
| 18:34.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | i used to get such terrible random sinus, etc problems in winter |
| 18:34.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | glad my immune system kicks ass now |
| 18:35.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | hrm i'm gonna see if i can get on asbestoman |
| 18:35.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | my hunter |
| 18:36.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | he's in org though, but it might be some problem with my druid |
| 18:37.50 | grimman|afkish | What a good name for a hunter. Not. ;P |
| 18:38.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | well i had to change it for the ptr |
| 18:38.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's asbestosman actually, but my normal name is Yaranaika |
| 18:39.24 | grimman|afkish | Hm... can't say that I'm overly fond of that song. ;P |
| 18:39.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | e nomine rocks you :[ |
| 18:39.52 | grimman|afkish | Rage Against The Machine - Renegades of Funk << Current fav. |
| 18:40.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | eh i got out of my ratm phase |
| 18:40.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'll still listen to killing in the name from time to time |
| 18:40.18 | grimman|afkish | Hehe, only RATM track I have on my playlist though. |
| 18:40.34 | grimman|afkish | But I heard it in a vid and I just had to add it to winamp. |
| 18:41.33 | Tuller | I took the easy way out of naming my characters, Tuller is Tuler |
| 18:41.43 | grimman|afkish | Easy mode ftl. ;P |
| 18:41.43 | Mikma | any news of the new patchnotes? |
| 18:41.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | i named my druid from raybeez to raybbeez |
| 18:41.52 | grimman|afkish | Each of my characters has a proper name. |
| 18:42.16 | End | my char went from sedge to sedgeboots |
| 18:42.16 | Tuller | I named my hunter my hunter's pet's name :) |
| 18:42.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | yaranaika's a meme from an imageboard or two |
| 18:42.29 | grimman|afkish | Hunter: Anjel, rogue: Alda, lock: Lican, druid: Nare |
| 18:42.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | if you've got a faint stomach i wouldn't suggest looking up the origin |
| 18:42.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | my mage's name is Skwisgaar \m/ |
| 18:43.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | speaking of i need to watch dethklok tonight |
| 18:43.16 | grimman|afkish | Even my mules have proper names. ;P |
| 18:43.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | my level 1 warrior i made is a random name |
| 18:43.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | Squeadonny. |
| 18:43.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | the random name generator is awesomea |
| 18:43.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | -a |
| 18:44.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | yes i wil name my level 1 male gnome warrior lucy |
| 18:44.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | Clemidgert. |
| 18:44.42 | grimman|afkish | Lucy... yes. |
| 18:44.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | Grubberita |
| 18:44.50 | grimman|afkish | Pretty crappy names. |
| 18:44.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | Judy |
| 18:45.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | wesleon |
| 18:45.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | sounds like a giant wesley snipes mech |
| 18:45.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | WESLEYON ASSEMBLE |
| 18:45.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh |
| 18:45.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh god |
| 18:45.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | cooterber |
| 18:45.41 | grimman|afkish | My BC server hunter == Pivae. :) |
| 18:45.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | cooterber is a random name |
| 18:45.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | blahaha |
| 18:45.51 | grimman|afkish | Used to be a temp char / pet name of mine. |
| 18:46.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | Silly is one too |
| 18:46.27 | grimman|afkish | And btw, apparently Nare means unpleasant or something in Dutch... which isn't at all what I felt my druid was. :P |
| 18:46.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | DUUUUUNK |
| 18:46.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | dunk. |
| 18:46.40 | grimman|afkish | o_o |
| 18:47.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | mange |
| 18:47.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | god this is entertaining |
| 18:47.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | rocket. |
| 18:47.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | midget. |
| 18:47.30 | grimman|afkish | Mange is a pretty standard nick for Magnus in Swedish. :P |
| 18:47.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | midget. |
| 18:47.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | come on. |
| 18:48.17 | grimman|afkish | Hah. Translator says Nare == Nasty. |
| 18:48.20 | grimman|afkish | Even worse. :( |
| 18:48.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | Fayhugh |
| 18:48.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | fayhugh sounds like someing hurling |
| 18:48.42 | grimman|afkish | lol, transvestite name if I ever saw one. |
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| 18:48.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | Catsz |
| 18:49.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | CATSZ: HOW ARE YOU GENTLEMEN!! |
| 18:49.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | gasket :O |
| 18:49.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | trubberry |
| 18:49.59 | grimman|afkish | :P |
| 18:50.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | wanget |
| 18:50.06 | grimman|afkish | Name generators == craptacular. |
| 18:50.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | i swear to god i'm not making these up |
| 18:50.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | this is the entertainment i get when the ptrs are down |
| 18:50.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | timer |
| 18:51.06 | SB1-Work | Hmm |
| 18:51.13 | SB1-Work | /focus [target=mouseover,exists] |
| 18:51.16 | SB1-Work | Would that work? |
| 18:51.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | Hammer. I think the employees must have had a ball coming up with this list |
| 18:52.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'd answer if i knew the answer SB1-Work :[ |
| 18:52.20 | Mikma | http://www.biertijd.com/mediaplayer/?itemid=515 |
| 18:52.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | i basically just hang out to harass my favorite mod authors |
| 18:53.06 | SB1-Work | Mr_Rabies2, just hoping |
| 18:53.06 | kaiden | grimman|afkish, i had a horde orc shaman get the auto generated name fuka and i got banned for it.. |
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| 18:53.17 | kaiden | :P so i have to agree with you |
| 18:53.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | one randomly generated one for a dwarf was roxxor |
| 18:53.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | maybe an orc, i cant remember |
| 18:54.27 | grimman|afkish | Is that smoke coming out of the black car? o_o |
| 18:54.30 | grimman|afkish | @ Mikma |
| 18:54.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | okay i think blizzard is communicating to me via the random name generator now |
| 18:54.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | i got "Free" then "Bert" |
| 18:54.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | right after one another D: |
| 18:55.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | SEND HELP STUCK IN RANDOM NAME GENERATOR FACTORY |
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| 18:55.20 | grimman|afkish | kaiden: I had an orc warr on some RP server (while my main server went down) named Ultrakillerx... I ran him to IF and dumped his silly corpse. |
| 18:55.25 | grimman|afkish | Days later I got a warning from Blizz. ;D |
| 18:55.40 | Mikma | grimman|afkish: yeah i think so |
| 18:55.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | i parked a warrior i made when oceanic servers first opened up in northshire keep named shrimpbarbie |
| 18:55.57 | Mikma | grimman|afkish: you can see that the airbag exploded too in the black car |
| 18:56.05 | grimman|afkish | Ah, didn't really watch that. |
| 18:56.15 | grimman|afkish | Just checked the people around for reactions. |
| 18:56.27 | Mikma | he had a bad luck really |
| 18:56.39 | Mikma | the bar hit the sensor of airbag = boof! |
| 18:57.10 | grimman|afkish | Well, idiots do seem to get what they deserve in the end. |
| 18:57.39 | Mikma | yeah, you can see the lights and such at the start telling "do not drive" |
| 18:57.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | that doesn't seem like a good idea though |
| 18:57.41 | grimman|afkish | That first one was just too much though. He should be fined also... unless these people already do get fined. ;P |
| 18:58.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | if you're following at a normal distance you can't see the bars |
| 18:58.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh i didn't see the signs |
| 18:58.09 | Mikma | :) |
| 18:58.29 | Mikma | neither did i at the first time. but then i watched again and noticed the signs (which are lighted) |
| 18:58.39 | Mikma | and there's also a HUGE sign on ground, i think |
| 18:59.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | still i think a gate is superior in that situation |
| 18:59.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | no way can you easily miss a gate right in your field of vision |
| 18:59.24 | Mikma | true that |
| 18:59.29 | Mikma | that's a bit too harsh imho |
| 18:59.42 | Mikma | "here, have a steelbar poking up from ground" |
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| 19:02.19 | grimman|afkish | http://www.biertijd.com/mediaplayer/?itemid=796 << 1. wtf. 2. Love that song. Or at least the version by Die Apokalyptischen Reiter. ;) |
| 19:03.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | are you from one of those crazy scandinavian or germanic countries gimman |
| 19:03.44 | grimman|afkish | Of course. |
| 19:04.02 | grimman|afkish | And it's grimman, thank you very much, mr. Rabes. |
| 19:04.04 | grimman|afkish | ;P |
| 19:04.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | really? so you understood the e nomine video? |
| 19:04.25 | grimman|afkish | No. |
| 19:04.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh, sorry, i forgot your r :x |
| 19:04.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh, i was thinking that might have been why you didn't like it |
| 19:04.53 | grimman|afkish | No, just don't like that sort of music. ;) |
| 19:05.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | actually understanding it probably makes it seem less awesome, kinda like rammstein from what i hear |
| 19:05.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | wth |
| 19:05.27 | grimman|afkish | Yeah. |
| 19:05.56 | grimman|afkish | Rammstein has a song named Tier in case you didn't know. |
| 19:06.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | Interface\GlueXML\CharacterSelect.lua: 57: bad argument #1 to 'strupper' (string expected, got nil) |
| 19:06.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | on the char select screen O_o |
| 19:06.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah, tier's a pretty good song |
| 19:06.44 | grimman|afkish | strupper, hehe... typo perhaps (stripper being the obvious option)? |
| 19:07.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | must be some bug in reading the night elf female racials |
| 19:07.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | "Will of the strupper" |
| 19:07.27 | grimman|afkish | Coming racials or deprecated once? ;P |
| 19:07.30 | grimman|afkish | ones* |
| 19:08.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | new ones on some new server side patch |
| 19:08.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | but uh really, what the heck |
| 19:08.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | it wasn't doing this before O_o |
| 19:08.35 | Mikma | http://tom.hanks.swellserver.com/news/top_stories/actor_new_zealand.php |
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| 19:09.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm gonna go ahead and call bs on that for now :O |
| 19:09.35 | grimman|afkish | Of course. |
| 19:09.43 | grimman|afkish | Subdomain tom.hanks... |
| 19:09.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | mainly since it talks more about other movies filmed in new zealand than tom |
| 19:10.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | and misspells approximately |
| 19:10.43 | grimman|afkish | Oh, and the article doesn't have a publishing date. :P |
| 19:10.57 | Mikma | http://britney.spears.swellserver.com/news/top_stories/internetlaunch.php |
| 19:11.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | rofl |
| 19:11.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | hit the home button |
| 19:11.36 | Neuro_Medivh | fixed: http://tom.cruise.swellserver.com/news/top_stories/actor_new_zealand.php |
| 19:11.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://tom.hanks.swellserver.com/news/top_stories/auto80.php |
| 19:11.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh noes |
| 19:11.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | he died twice |
| 19:12.02 | grimman|afkish | Not necessarily. |
| 19:12.10 | grimman|afkish | Maybe he fell off that cliff in his car, while filming. :P |
| 19:12.20 | Mikma | noes! am i busted now? |
| 19:12.20 | grimman|afkish | Oop, his friend's car. |
| 19:12.35 | grimman|afkish | Mikma: You were busted the second I changed the subdomain. ;D |
| 19:12.46 | Mikma | damn ;) |
| 19:13.01 | Mikma | first i tried to shock you then please you haha |
| 19:13.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | i just guessed from the domain originally |
| 19:13.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | then it kinda got more obvious |
| 19:13.20 | grimman|afkish | ;D |
| 19:13.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | gosh that won't work on us genius internet peoples |
| 19:13.36 | grimman|afkish | That's the problem in trying to trick nerds... hehe. |
| 19:13.39 | Mikma | purl: make them stupid :( |
| 19:13.40 | purl | make: *** No rule to make target `them stupid :('. Stop. |
| 19:13.54 | Mikma | oh |
| 19:13.55 | Mikma | purl: make sex |
| 19:13.57 | purl | make: *** No rule to make target `sex'. Stop. |
| 19:14.36 | JoshBorke | purl, make help |
| 19:14.38 | purl | make: *** No rule to make target `help'. Stop. |
| 19:14.48 | JoshBorke | purl, what is make? |
| 19:14.50 | purl | JoshBorke: what are you talking about? |
| 19:14.50 | End | purl: make clean |
| 19:14.51 | purl | make: *** No rule to make target `clean'. Stop. |
| 19:14.58 | End | make waffles for me |
| 19:15.01 | JoshBorke | purl: make distclean |
| 19:15.02 | purl | make: *** No rule to make target `distclean'. Stop. |
| 19:15.03 | End | oops |
| 19:15.09 | End | purl, make waffles for me |
| 19:15.10 | purl | make: *** No rule to make target `waffles for me'. Stop. |
| 19:15.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | aiee |
| 19:15.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | almost dropped a very heavy knife onto my leg |
| 19:17.00 | grimman|afkish | :P |
| 19:17.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | rolled off the desk and i jumped back |
| 19:17.49 | grimman|afkish | Rolling knives... |
| 19:18.18 | JoshBorke | ~literal make |
| 19:18.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | it did it :x |
| 19:18.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | the handle's squarish and heavy |
| 19:18.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | i picked up a magazine and it rolled off the desk |
| 19:20.20 | kaiden | LOL! This is hilarious, I e-mailed blizzard and posted a help request in game about my account being compromised, they came back to me with their general cookie cutter e-mail stating.. They believe my account was compromised |
| 19:20.29 | kaiden | I just wish i could say DUH in the persons face that sent it |
| 19:21.34 | grimman|afkish | Make that "the person, that's getting paid, who sent it"... ;P |
| 19:21.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | i think a bunch of blind monkeys with hammers taped to their hands do customer service for them |
| 19:22.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | and they use family guy's manatees for class changes |
| 19:22.23 | Neuro_Medivh | just as a suggestion: Insulting people is not the best way to get them to assist you |
| 19:22.50 | kaiden | how is saying DUH an insult.. |
| 19:23.16 | Neuro_Medivh | I didn't say you insulted them |
| 19:23.41 | wereHamster | oh man.. I changed my password two hours ago and I still have to login with the old one into the realms |
| 19:24.10 | grimman|afkish | o_o |
| 19:24.31 | grimman|afkish | I changed my pass recently too, instant change on the live servers but still hasn't changed on the BC servers. |
| 19:24.39 | grimman|afkish | "recently" being a couple of days ago. ;P |
| 19:24.56 | Neuro_Medivh | BC servers don't sync except on maint. days |
| 19:25.35 | wereHamster | I changed the password, hoping it would be changed both on the live and beta servers. It was instantly changed on the live servers, and till today I had to the the old one on the beta servers |
| 19:25.35 | nevcairiel | my bc pass didnt change for nearly two weeks now, since i changed it on live |
| 19:25.38 | wereHamster | that was two days ago |
| 19:25.43 | wereHamster | now I wanted to change it back.. |
| 19:25.47 | grimman|afkish | That really doesn't matter in my case as the change is already done, anybody getting hand on my old details will, at best, be able to use it for a short while only. ;P |
| 19:26.33 | grimman|afkish | wereHamster: Well in that case it's the same for you. |
| 19:26.55 | grimman|afkish | Old password is "powerless". :) |
| 19:26.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | if i stole someone elses account i'd sign them up for a bunch of old fat people porn mailing lists and give it back |
| 19:27.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | maybe mail them a screenshot of their char or something |
| 19:27.57 | grimman|afkish | hehe |
| 19:28.27 | grimman|afkish | "Currently being held hostage, ransom: 2000g. Drop off at the waterfall in Hinterlands." |
| 19:28.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | so keep on the lookout for grannyporn and screenshots |
| 19:29.14 | |Shadow| | hmm, im thinking about getting a completely new ui |
| 19:29.24 | |Shadow| | http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/5230/wow2006103115521821qa1.jpg thats what im doing atm, but everyone hates it for some reason |
| 19:29.28 | |Shadow| | anyone got a suggestion? :P |
| 19:29.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | BLACK SQUARE |
| 19:29.51 | grimman|afkish | lol |
| 19:29.53 | grimman|afkish | For some reason. |
| 19:29.55 | |Shadow| | Mr_Rabies black square = second monotir |
| 19:29.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh seperate monitor, rofl |
| 19:30.07 | |Shadow| | monitor* |
| 19:30.07 | |Shadow| | theres 2 screens :) |
| 19:30.07 | kaiden | |Shadow|, too many buttons! |
| 19:30.09 | kaiden | :) |
| 19:30.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | i didn't see the whole thing, i didn't scroll right |
| 19:30.14 | |Shadow| | i like all my buttons. |
| 19:30.16 | |Shadow| | lol |
| 19:30.26 | Mikma | holy f*** i did look at your horrible ui again |
| 19:30.35 | grimman|afkish | laff @ Mikma |
| 19:30.35 | |Shadow| | lol |
| 19:30.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | not everyone plays a rogue with a total of like 12 abilities, gosh |
| 19:30.39 | |Shadow| | im going to change it! :D |
| 19:30.39 | End | that's a lot of buttons |
| 19:30.42 | |Shadow| | what should i do with it? :P |
| 19:30.52 | kaiden | |Shadow|, you are an addon junky |
| 19:31.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | hell i'm an addon junky |
| 19:31.07 | grimman|afkish | Mr_Rabies2: I see a mage. A class with a total of 3(+2) useful abilities. ;P |
| 19:31.13 | kaiden | Mr_Rabies, i have nearly every class to 60.. and none of them do i have that many buttons up on lol |
| 19:31.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | i use cosmos plus a ton more |
| 19:31.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | and i don't have that many minimap buttons |
| 19:31.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | i thought you meant spell buttons |
| 19:31.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | but then |
| 19:31.37 | |Shadow| | lol |
| 19:31.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | i saw the mess in the top right |
| 19:31.44 | |Shadow| | i also like my ui to do everything |
| 19:31.51 | grimman|afkish | I have roughly 140 addons installed and... not even a fifth that many buttons. >_< |
| 19:31.56 | pastamancer | |Shadow|: that makes my eyes bleed |
| 19:31.58 | |Shadow| | im not worried about memory usage particularly, i have 2gb |
| 19:32.11 | |Shadow| | yes ok ok my ui sucks, suggestions? |
| 19:32.21 | Neuro_Medivh | 140 addons, geez |
| 19:32.21 | |Shadow| | so i delete all my addons now...what should i do |
| 19:32.27 | |Shadow| | lets see what you guys want me to do with it :p |
| 19:32.46 | Neuro_Medivh | base UI |
| 19:32.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's really not that cluttered except the damn minimap |
| 19:32.47 | Neuro_Medivh | enjoy |
| 19:32.49 | pastamancer | I'd add some sort of visual separation between different groups of action buttons |
| 19:33.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | there's an addon that lets you put minimap buttons you don't use much in like a sub-button |
| 19:33.10 | |Shadow| | well i could do |
| 19:33.14 | |Shadow| | but i know where all my buttons are |
| 19:33.21 | Cairenn | |Shadow|: I have a question for you |
| 19:33.28 | |Shadow| | yea? :) |
| 19:33.30 | Cairenn | (2:29:18 PM) |Shadow|: http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/5230/wow2006103115521821qa1.jpg thats what im doing atm, but everyone hates it for some reason |
| 19:33.32 | pastamancer | the minimap icons are a mess. I've seen them arranged into a little square in a corner far away from the minimap |
| 19:33.38 | Cairenn | so what? do YOU like it? |
| 19:33.51 | |Shadow| | yea i like it Cairenn but the only problem is it messes up my fps alot |
| 19:34.02 | |Shadow| | and i dunno why because i never really top 80% cpu and 50% memory :S |
| 19:34.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | i can't even point out like 50% of those minimap buttons |
| 19:34.25 | Neuro_Medivh | Shadow, is that a dual monitor setup, or what? |
| 19:34.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | did you like draw some up and just put the textures there for balance or something? |
| 19:34.43 | |Shadow| | Neuro_Medivh yea it is |
| 19:34.46 | kaiden | |Shadow|, http://www.easilyaddicted.com/screenshots/ScreenShot_090806_112147.jpeg one of my screenshots from a while ago |
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| 19:34.55 | JoshBorke | o.O |
| 19:34.57 | Cairenn | |Shadow|: well, whether or not someone else likes it doesn't matter squat, as long as you like it and does what you want/need ... however, if you are having problems (ie your fps), that's a different matter completely |
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| 19:35.01 | JoshBorke | there went my fiancee |
| 19:35.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | what cairenn said |
| 19:35.26 | |Shadow| | looks ok |
| 19:35.44 | |Shadow| | lol |
| 19:35.46 | JoshBorke | |Shadow|: i think your biggest problem is the shere number of addons and how much has to be drawn on screen all the time |
| 19:36.00 | pastamancer | but, but... ui screenshots are a popularity contest! |
| 19:36.03 | |Shadow| | yea thats what i think it is |
| 19:36.19 | |Shadow| | i reckon my gpu is getting over worked :p |
| 19:37.07 | |Shadow| | so...basically...i want to start from the top |
| 19:37.23 | |Shadow| | and since you guys where so evil to me this and last time when i posted screenshots of my ui |
| 19:37.27 | |Shadow| | i figured you'd know what to do :P |
| 19:37.38 | grimman|afkish | were* |
| 19:37.39 | Cairenn | *repeats herself* |
| 19:37.49 | |Shadow| | lol |
| 19:38.20 | Antiarc | I doubt it's your GPU. It's probably just a lot of time spent running Lua code. |
| 19:38.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | try renaming your wtf folder for the hell of it |
| 19:38.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | and wdb |
| 19:38.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | see if your framerate improves by like a billion |
| 19:38.54 | JoshBorke | wow, that's a lot of buttons o.O |
| 19:38.58 | |Shadow| | lol :p |
| 19:39.01 | |Shadow| | Mr_Rabies why should i do that? :P |
| 19:39.11 | |Shadow| | isn't there like one super addon that does everything |
| 19:39.13 | JoshBorke | oooo, i know! |
| 19:39.21 | JoshBorke | are you using titan or fubar? |
| 19:39.28 | |Shadow| | fubar |
| 19:39.30 | |Shadow| | fubar > titan |
| 19:39.35 | JoshBorke | ok, get tekSupport |
| 19:39.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | sometimes those temporary files get sodomized by a rusty screwdriver |
| 19:39.40 | |Shadow| | allready got it |
| 19:39.49 | JoshBorke | check the OnUpdate handlers for time spent |
| 19:39.51 | |Shadow| | just not quite sure on how to understand the results it pokes me with |
| 19:39.55 | |Shadow| | ok |
| 19:39.55 | grimman|afkish | tekSupport? |
| 19:40.00 | JoshBorke | and screenshot that for us |
| 19:40.09 | |Shadow| | kk josh |
| 19:41.24 | Thunder_Child | grimman|afkish: http://www.wowace.com/wiki/TekSupport |
| 19:41.59 | grimman|afkish | Hm. Seems useful. |
| 19:42.02 | Mr_Rabies | http://img103.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wowscrnshot100806052623fx0.jpg is what mine looks like pretty much |
| 19:42.20 | Mr_Rabies | let me show you the first screen i took on purpose, compare the item models |
| 19:43.00 | |Shadow| | uhhh |
| 19:43.06 | |Shadow| | whats the command to kick off teksupport? |
| 19:43.08 | foxlit | How do people achieve the fancy glow effects, anyway? |
| 19:43.19 | JoshBorke | |Shadow|: there should be a fubar icon for it |
| 19:43.31 | JoshBorke | foxlit: what do you mean? |
| 19:43.49 | foxlit | The top blue bar in http://www.easilyaddicted.com/screenshots/ScreenShot_090806_112147.jpeg |
| 19:43.56 | |Shadow| | ah yup found that |
| 19:43.56 | foxlit | XP indicator, I guess. |
| 19:44.03 | |Shadow| | ok on update handlers.. |
| 19:44.13 | |Shadow| | sort by time or memory? |
| 19:44.20 | JoshBorke | foxlit: that is a FuBar mod call FuXPFu. it's a custom texture |
| 19:44.26 | JoshBorke | |Shadow|: time |
| 19:44.54 | |Shadow| | uhh i did that and now it isn't doing anything :p |
| 19:45.04 | |Shadow| | can't remember how to get it to show its stats lol, been a long time since i used it |
| 19:45.07 | JoshBorke | |Shadow|: hover back over it |
| 19:45.12 | |Shadow| | oh yea |
| 19:45.14 | |Shadow| | ok screenshotting |
| 19:45.19 | Mr_Rabies | http://img103.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wowscrnshot010105223154zl8.jpg there's one of my earlier intentional screens, that's from jan 01 05 :O |
| 19:45.25 | Mr_Rabies | same damn mace graphic :x |
| 19:45.27 | foxlit | So two textures, one for the bar, and one for the glow? |
| 19:45.39 | JoshBorke | foxlit: something like that, yea |
| 19:47.19 | |Shadow| | JoshBorke http://img481.imageshack.us/img481/9956/wow2006111719452459oa9.jpg |
| 19:48.11 | JoshBorke | |Shadow|: what is CryolysisButton? |
| 19:48.20 | Mr_Rabies | oh damn i'm getting teksupport |
| 19:48.25 | Mikma | Shadowed: STOP THAT oh dear lord |
| 19:48.34 | |Shadow| | its Cryolysis |
| 19:48.34 | |Shadow| | lol |
| 19:48.42 | |Shadow| | its a mage addon |
| 19:48.53 | |Shadow| | but i only really use it because it automatically restocks my reagents |
| 19:49.26 | JoshBorke | |Shadow|: well, you might want to try disabling it. there are some other addons that do that |
| 19:49.27 | Mery | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:49.29 | JoshBorke | one sec |
| 19:49.37 | |Shadow| | ok :) |
| 19:50.17 | Mr_Rabies | is the only place to get teksupport from the ace SVN? |
| 19:50.28 | Mr_Rabies | and only betas? |
| 19:51.36 | JoshBorke | Mr_Rabies: i always just get it from svn |
| 19:51.47 | JoshBorke | |Shadow|: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=5067 |
| 19:51.48 | JoshBorke | try that |
| 19:51.51 | Mr_Rabies | what version? the lastest 12xx or what? |
| 19:52.01 | Mr_Rabies | or 13480? |
| 19:52.06 | |Shadow| | thanke |
| 19:52.19 | |Shadow| | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v168/Coroder/WoWScrnShot_103006_214110.jpg i also quite like these unit frames |
| 19:52.22 | Mr_Rabies | guess i'll read the .toc file |
| 19:52.46 | JoshBorke | Mr_Rabies: you should be able to use the latest |
| 19:53.09 | Mr_Rabies | yeah i was thinking it might be 2.0 or something but the toc was 11200 |
| 19:53.26 | JoshBorke | |Shadow|: looks like DUF frames to me, you're on your own there |
| 19:53.35 | |Shadow| | aww :( |
| 19:53.41 | JoshBorke | another addon to suspect is m_BuffFrame |
| 19:54.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | that might be nurfed |
| 19:54.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | i seem to remember nurfed having similar unitframes |
| 19:55.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | i think i'm wrong |
| 19:55.16 | JoshBorke | me too :-P |
| 19:55.52 | JoshBorke | |Shadow|: do you use all the features of FlexBar? |
| 19:55.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | time to see whats eating my ram |
| 19:55.59 | wereHamster | damnit.. I updated my mods for 2,0 and now they don't work on the live servers :( |
| 19:56.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm expecting lootlink and auctioneer |
| 19:56.14 | JoshBorke | wereHamster: lol, you think? :-D |
| 19:56.24 | |Shadow| | yea pretty much |
| 19:56.28 | wereHamster | math.mod vs. math.fmod |
| 19:56.30 | grimman|afkish | Someone got self-shafted. |
| 19:56.33 | |Shadow| | im rather attatched to my flexbar |
| 19:56.34 | grimman|afkish | /pat wereHamster |
| 19:56.45 | JoshBorke | wereHamster: use GetBuildInfo() |
| 19:56.46 | wereHamster | why o why did the lua developers have to change that? |
| 19:57.06 | JoshBorke | |Shadow|: just checking. if you only used it for extra buttons there are other mods that do that |
| 19:57.27 | Kaso | has UnitIsPlusMob changed or something? |
| 19:57.44 | JoshBorke | i've never heard of that function o.O |
| 19:57.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | hrm i'm not seeing the teksupport button |
| 19:57.51 | |Shadow| | well i could live without the flexbar macros, if theres a addon that allows you to have more macros? |
| 19:58.05 | grimman|afkish | Supermacro. ;P |
| 19:58.06 | foxlit | |Shadow|: probably not in 2.0 |
| 19:58.58 | Thunder_Child | Mr_Rabies2, it's LOD you have to enable it through a program that can handle it (i think) |
| 19:59.01 | JoshBorke | Mr_Rabies: if you have fubar, you should be able to find it in a menu |
| 19:59.03 | Thunder_Child | thats what i had to do |
| 19:59.22 | |Shadow| | grimman|afkish spupermacro? |
| 19:59.36 | grimman|afkish | Not at all, "Supermacro". |
| 19:59.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | hrm |
| 19:59.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's not in the fubar list |
| 19:59.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | does it work with fubar 2? |
| 20:00.12 | |Shadow| | lol thats what i meant |
| 20:00.15 | |Shadow| | where do i get it? |
| 20:00.20 | grimman|afkish | http://ui.worldofwar.net/ui.php?id=1325 << Outdated but still works on live servers. |
| 20:00.30 | |Shadow| | ty |
| 20:00.36 | |Shadow| | what other addon can i get to do my action bars then? |
| 20:00.53 | grimman|afkish | Discord Action Bars for now... but not in BC afaik. ;P |
| 20:01.10 | JoshBorke | Bongos or Bartender |
| 20:01.14 | Thunder_Child | yes Mr_Rabies, there should have been a compatablity folder in with the teksupport folder |
| 20:01.17 | grimman|afkish | There are plenty of bar addons though. |
| 20:01.58 | Thunder_Child | like i said, you need to be able to load on demand |
| 20:02.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah, t_c, it should be working |
| 20:02.09 | Thunder_Child | http://www.wowace.com/wiki/SupplyAndDemand |
| 20:02.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | i just used khaos's load on demand stuff |
| 20:02.45 | Thunder_Child | ok |
| 20:03.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | still don't see it in the list of stuff i can turn on :x |
| 20:03.27 | Thunder_Child | i dunno, when i loaded it, it just poped right up |
| 20:04.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | gonna see if supply and demand bugs with khaos |
| 20:04.50 | |Shadow| | ok killed flexbar and cryolysis, replaced them with bangos and freerefills :) |
| 20:05.14 | JoshBorke | |Shadow|: see if that causes an improvement. the next step is to switch from OnUpdate to Event handlers and watch time there also |
| 20:05.14 | Thunder_Child | well i didnt use supply and demand so i dont know |
| 20:05.32 | |Shadow| | ok :) |
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| 20:06.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh wow |
| 20:06.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | i win |
| 20:06.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | i managed to only extract the .toc |
| 20:06.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | rofl |
| 20:07.00 | Thunder_Child | Gratz |
| 20:07.01 | JoshBorke | Mr_Rabies2: lol, nice |
| 20:07.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | it even loaded on demand |
| 20:07.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | with just the toc O_o |
| 20:07.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | and no errors. |
| 20:07.32 | JoshBorke | a toc with no file is valid |
| 20:09.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh i thought i just performed an internet miracle |
| 20:13.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | so what should i be looking for in teksupport? |
| 20:13.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | mem usage? |
| 20:14.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | currently everything's using 0 KiB except teksupport, it's using like 50 O_o |
| 20:14.11 | JoshBorke | Mr_Rabies2: depends. Mem usage will show you addons that use a lot of memory and therefor can cause memory churn |
| 20:15.01 | JoshBorke | time shows how long it takes it to run |
| 20:15.04 | |Shadow| | JoshBorke with bongos how do you move the action bars? |
| 20:15.13 | |Shadow| | can't find anything in the options to actually move them lol |
| 20:15.22 | JoshBorke | |Shadow|: never actually used it :-D |
| 20:15.25 | |Shadow| | lol |
| 20:15.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | hrm |
| 20:15.36 | Tuller | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:15.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | so is a high time a bad thing? |
| 20:15.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | whatever eclipse frame is is up pretty high on time |
| 20:16.02 | |Shadow| | yea i've done that brings up a GUI, can't find anything in there to move it |
| 20:16.30 | Tuller | general tab, the first option |
| 20:16.36 | Tuller | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:16.55 | |Shadow| | aha |
| 20:16.56 | |Shadow| | ty |
| 20:17.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | teksupport's the only thing ussing more than 0 KiB and it's using 111 |
| 20:17.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | O_o |
| 20:17.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | eclipseframe's at 11000 ms now, dunno what that means |
| 20:20.02 | |Shadow| | Tuller how do i control how many buttons are in 1 action bar |
| 20:20.22 | |Shadow| | oh, right click on the bar when unlocked :p |
| 20:20.26 | Kaso | ok, umm, is this a wow bug or ami doing something wrong, Theres this mob, UnitClassification("target")=="elite" but UnitIsPlusMob("target")==nil |
| 20:24.28 | grimman|afkish | lol |
| 20:24.40 | grimman|afkish | Friend of mine just told me "... you can't play without addons." |
| 20:24.48 | grimman|afkish | ME of all people. |
| 20:25.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | shit the only addon i need to do well is wardrobe |
| 20:25.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | even though i prob have 150 installed |
| 20:26.42 | Kaso | i only really noticed how many addons i had when i started tbc |
| 20:26.56 | Shadowed | I think I deleted about half of my mods for TBC |
| 20:27.07 | Kaso | all those little things you dont think about, that suddently dont work how theyre supposed to |
| 20:28.05 | Kaso | Also i noted that Devtool's Framestack suddenly doesnt make me have 2fps in tbc |
| 20:28.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | all i had running on the ptr was wardrobe and i was doin finr |
| 20:28.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | fine* |
| 20:28.53 | Kaso | as a healer i'm lost with the default Party frames |
| 20:29.00 | |Shadow| | Tuller how do i set up 3 action bars of 27 with this thing, its getting irritateing |
| 20:29.03 | |Shadow| | it likes to eat buttons |
| 20:29.14 | JoshBorke | oh yea, what's that thing for firefox so i don't always have to save from wowi? |
| 20:29.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | <Kaso> as a healer i'm lost with the default Party frames |
| 20:29.39 | |Shadow| | if i say 3 action bars, then set action bar one to 27 in length, it eats the buttons off the end of the action bar lol |
| 20:30.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | well yeah i had some wars bitchin at me for heals but i told them to fix groupbuttons and itemization |
| 20:30.31 | |Shadow| | anyone here care to give me a hand with bongos? |
| 20:30.59 | Tuller | that would be how you set it up, set the number of bars to have a max of 27ish buttons then shrink from there |
| 20:31.35 | |Shadow| | oh ok |
| 20:31.52 | |Shadow| | so i set 3 action bars in the bongos options |
| 20:32.06 | |Shadow| | and now i have 3 action bars with 40 buttons in each, i set action bar one to have 27 buttons |
| 20:32.14 | |Shadow| | and 13 buttons have dissapeared |
| 20:32.20 | |Shadow| | buttons 28-40 |
| 20:32.25 | |Shadow| | *12 buttons |
| 20:32.45 | |Shadow| | they don't reappear on action bar 2, they just...fade into nothingness? |
| 20:33.11 | grimman|afkish | Guys, you know anything about flying mounts and skill etc? |
| 20:33.29 | Kaso | i know it isnt in the beta yet |
| 20:33.30 | grimman|afkish | Specifically, is flying mount skill trainable without having epic mount skill? |
| 20:33.38 | JoshBorke | don't think so |
| 20:33.42 | Kaso | no it is not |
| 20:33.44 | SB1-Work | Nope... one after the other |
| 20:33.46 | JoshBorke | you'll make enough to buy the epic |
| 20:33.50 | grimman|afkish | *sigh* |
| 20:33.54 | grimman|afkish | Yeah yeah, that's not it. |
| 20:34.17 | grimman|afkish | I PVPed so that I could buy the PVP mount and not have to buy the skill. |
| 20:34.30 | JoshBorke | heh |
| 20:34.39 | grimman|afkish | But I quit short of rank 11 or whatever was necessary because I figured I could just buy it for PVP markers instead. |
| 20:34.41 | Kaso | oh yeh |
| 20:34.48 | Kaso | the pvp mount needs 150 now |
| 20:34.50 | grimman|afkish | And apparently it now requires 150. |
| 20:34.51 | grimman|afkish | Yeah. |
| 20:34.55 | grimman|afkish | Which borks my plans to hell. |
| 20:34.58 | grimman|afkish | And beyond. |
| 20:35.20 | Shadowed | of course |
| 20:35.23 | Shadowed | what do you expect? :p |
| 20:35.27 | grimman|afkish | Ah well. At least I _know_ I'm borked and it won't come as a surprise. ;P |
| 20:35.49 | cladhaire | i dont like that the flag is a 10 second grab in EoS. |
| 20:35.50 | Shadowed | There would be no reason to buy a 60% speed mount if you could PVP for a few days at 40 and get a 100% speed mount |
| 20:35.51 | grimman|afkish | I expected some consistency... right now it's 75 skill req... they could just up the price by an assload. ;P |
| 20:35.54 | cladhaire | but then again i'm a druid, so it hurts me. |
| 20:36.24 | Shadowed | cladhaire: What do you mean? |
| 20:36.28 | grimman|afkish | Shadowed: Level 60 req, problem solved. :P |
| 20:36.38 | cladhaire | its like a flag in AB |
| 20:36.43 | Shadowed | grimman|afkish: Suck it up, you'll need 150 to get 225 and 300 flying skill anyway |
| 20:36.44 | cladhaire | requires 10 second channel to pick up the flag |
| 20:36.49 | Shadowed | wow |
| 20:36.50 | Shadowed | how stupid |
| 20:36.54 | cladhaire | yeah |
| 20:36.54 | grimman|afkish | I would have gotten 150 for free though. ;P |
| 20:36.55 | cladhaire | its horrible. |
| 20:37.00 | Neuro_Medivh | lol... http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061117/ap_on_re_us/playstation_shooting |
| 20:37.01 | grimman|afkish | If I had PVPed to get the mount. |
| 20:37.04 | Shadowed | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:37.05 | cladhaire | i mean the towers can win you the game, 100% |
| 20:37.06 | cladhaire | but |
| 20:37.35 | JoshBorke | damnit, i killed my machin :-( |
| 20:39.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | <@cladhaire> but then again i'm a druid, so it hurts me. |
| 20:39.58 | cladhaire | yeah |
| 20:39.58 | Shadowed | It's a silly thing to do in general anyway |
| 20:40.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | can you pick up the eos flag in forms? |
| 20:40.01 | cladhaire | ? |
| 20:40.01 | |Shadow| | infact even better i'll try bartender lol |
| 20:40.04 | cladhaire | yes |
| 20:40.07 | cladhaire | but it takes 10 seconds. |
| 20:40.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | well better than not, like the wsg flags |
| 20:40.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | 800 mana to get a flag = fail |
| 20:41.15 | Shadowed | I'd take a 800 mana cost to grab the flag instantly over a 10 second channel. |
| 20:42.29 | Shadowed | they really need to stop trying to add stuff that makes one large group work better then smaller groups or solo :/ |
| 20:42.46 | cladhaire | yeah |
| 20:42.47 | cladhaire | seriously |
| 20:42.59 | Shadowed | It self-balances it out anyway |
| 20:43.21 | Shadowed | They leave nobody to defend, you need nobody to take, they leave 2 to defend, you only need 3-4 to take, ect, ect. this favors stupidity and zerging to much :/ |
| 20:44.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | grarrgh i need to stop reading the druid forums until we get a blue response |
| 20:45.16 | cladhaire | no |
| 20:45.24 | cladhaire | because a single hunter can stop anyone from grabbing the flag |
| 20:45.26 | cladhaire | way too easil |
| 20:45.32 | cladhaire | not to mention mages |
| 20:45.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | locks too |
| 20:46.01 | Shadowed | One person guards, you send two. Two people guard, you send three, 4-5 people guard, you send 7-8 people. |
| 20:46.07 | SB1-Work | Mages aren't all that anymore, though.. |
| 20:46.08 | SB1-Work | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=83628801&pageNo=1&sid=1 |
| 20:46.10 | Shadowed | the more they use to defend, the less they have elsewhere |
| 20:46.17 | foxlit | It's fine, tbh. |
| 20:46.23 | grimman|afkish | cladhaire: Except druids. |
| 20:46.33 | grimman|afkish | Who can just root said hunter and be off in their silly flee-form. |
| 20:46.36 | foxlit | The druid flag carrying sillyness had to stop eventually |
| 20:46.48 | Shadowed | it hurts a lot more then druids foxlit |
| 20:47.05 | cladhaire | no |
| 20:47.09 | cladhaire | because we have to get within range to root them |
| 20:47.12 | cladhaire | then go to the flag |
| 20:47.15 | cladhaire | which they are still in range of. |
| 20:47.24 | cladhaire | i'm just complaining AS a druid. |
| 20:47.26 | cladhaire | it hurts everyone. |
| 20:47.27 | foxlit | No, it only hurts those whose strategy was to run away with the flag, avoiding combat |
| 20:47.28 | Shadowed | cladhaire and pets |
| 20:47.39 | cladhaire | foxlit: Been burnt by a druid too many times? |
| 20:47.44 | Shadowed | apparently |
| 20:47.45 | grimman|afkish | foxlit may be on to something. ;P |
| 20:47.46 | foxlit | No, I eat them for lunch. |
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| 20:47.52 | Shadowed | foxlit, class? |
| 20:47.57 | foxlit | Mage. |
| 20:48.00 | cladhaire | HA |
| 20:48.02 | Shadowed | ah, well that explains it |
| 20:48.06 | Shadowed | mages never go for flags |
| 20:48.14 | cladhaire | I've dont think i've ever been killed by a mage in WSG |
| 20:48.18 | cladhaire | literally |
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| 20:48.19 | ckknight | hey all |
| 20:48.24 | foxlit | Get better mages :) |
| 20:48.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | dumb ones do |
| 20:48.40 | cladhaire | in WSG, i specified. |
| 20:48.41 | cladhaire | =) |
| 20:48.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | i turtled this team in the arena today |
| 20:48.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | it was 5 v 2 |
| 20:48.59 | cladhaire | mid field.. you have no chance.. in the bases. you shoudl have no chance, the druid has the advantage there. |
| 20:49.08 | cncfanatics | hi all :) |
| 20:49.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | my teammate died fast and left then i just hid in stealth for about 5 mins before getting bored |
| 20:49.42 | Shadowed | The problem with channels is it rewards those who just zerg every tower to capture it and you only have to leave one person at the flag in the middle. |
| 20:49.50 | foxlit | It really depends. You'd have to take pretty large detours to avoid being with 35yds |
| 20:50.03 | cladhaire | i can be within 34 yards |
| 20:50.04 | Antiarc | Druids take detours very well. |
| 20:50.06 | cladhaire | what are you gonna do tho? |
| 20:50.07 | Shadowed | or, basically it rewards how most pugs play |
| 20:50.58 | cladhaire | I agree 100% that in AB or any other place, mages have druids for lunch.. but not in WSG |
| 20:51.03 | foxlit | Toss a few bolts in your direction. |
| 20:51.07 | cladhaire | You'd get one off |
| 20:51.09 | cladhaire | and i'd be gone |
| 20:51.20 | cladhaire | travel form + 4/6 pvp bonus |
| 20:51.30 | cladhaire | and even if you crit for 3k, i'm still alive |
| 20:51.36 | foxlit | Again, depends. |
| 20:51.39 | cladhaire | *nod* |
| 20:51.48 | Miravlix | wtf my crclib isn't BC compatible |
| 20:51.55 | cladhaire | i'm just saying, I feel we have the edge in WSG, because of the terrain |
| 20:51.59 | cladhaire | .. nothing in BC compat |
| 20:52.03 | cladhaire | unitl you change the .toc |
| 20:52.11 | Shadowed | druids aren't very effective in WSG honestly |
| 20:52.18 | cladhaire | O.o? |
| 20:52.18 | Shadowed | if both teams are good, it's easy enough to lock one down |
| 20:52.20 | foxlit | You sort of have to jump them from ahead |
| 20:52.24 | Shadowed | even the annoying shift-spam type |
| 20:52.28 | foxlit | Rather than attempting to catch up |
| 20:52.36 | cladhaire | *shrug* |
| 20:52.41 | cladhaire | i dont seem to have any issues getting pvp groups |
| 20:52.44 | cladhaire | and capping =) |
| 20:52.49 | Shadowed | "are good" :p |
| 20:52.51 | Miravlix | Strange half my addons is fine |
| 20:52.58 | Miravlix | Whats changed in the toc? |
| 20:53.03 | cladhaire | the toc number |
| 20:53.05 | Shadowed | nothing, it just wont load until the TOC is 20000 |
| 20:53.15 | Miravlix | clad: Nope |
| 20:53.19 | cladhaire | since there are fundamental changes, everythign needs to be updated. |
| 20:53.20 | Miravlix | for crying out loud |
| 20:53.27 | Miravlix | Just do load out of date addons |
| 20:53.29 | cladhaire | no |
| 20:53.35 | grimman|afkish | Doesn't work, Miravlix. |
| 20:53.36 | cladhaire | that would cause more problems |
| 20:53.42 | ckknight | doesn't work, pre-20000 TOCs are incompatible. |
| 20:53.44 | cladhaire | which is why it didn't get done. |
| 20:53.44 | Miravlix | Then why is some of my 1.12 addons fine |
| 20:53.51 | cladhaire | why are |
| 20:53.53 | cladhaire | and I don' tknow. |
| 20:54.24 | cladhaire | Just telling you what has been posted in the 2.0 changes thread |
| 20:55.02 | cladhaire | I do have to sya, I like Arena as a druid tho |
| 20:55.08 | cladhaire | since i can adapt to whatever role i need to |
| 20:55.11 | cladhaire | but thts just for PUGs |
| 20:55.15 | SB1-Work | rofl |
| 20:55.16 | SB1-Work | http://forums.wowglider.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=42710&whichpage=20 |
| 20:55.20 | Miravlix | 265 tocs to change ouch |
| 20:55.20 | cladhaire | i can't wait for my priest in an arena team |
| 20:55.21 | SB1-Work | Last post... they made a running tally |
| 20:55.26 | JoshBorke | is arena a ffa like gurabashi but an instanced pvp area? |
| 20:55.36 | Shadowed | no, it's a team vs team |
| 20:55.37 | cladhaire | yeah |
| 20:55.40 | cladhaire | team vs team tho |
| 20:55.46 | cladhaire | alliance vs alliance, horde vs horde |
| 20:55.48 | cladhaire | just teams =) |
| 20:55.57 | JoshBorke | alliance vs horde in the arena? |
| 20:55.58 | cladhaire | Miravlix: Then you probbaly have a lot more to update than just the .tocs. |
| 20:56.09 | cladhaire | yeah.. any cxombination of factions |
| 20:56.11 | cladhaire | its just team vs team |
| 20:56.14 | JoshBorke | cool |
| 20:56.18 | cladhaire | 2v2, 3v3, 5v5 |
| 20:56.19 | foxlit | Bah, silly terrain in moonglade. Druid got stuck :/ |
| 20:57.22 | cladhaire | SB1-Work: The best is the people who haven't botted in months, still getting banned. |
| 20:57.31 | ckknight | hooray for that |
| 20:57.35 | ckknight | die, botters, die. |
| 20:57.41 | SB1-Work | cladhaire, I know. "I HAVEN'T DONE IT FOR MONTHS, WWWAAAAHHHHHHH" |
| 20:57.42 | foxlit | At the same time, I still see bots in Felwood :( |
| 20:57.45 | SB1-Work | qq more, botters |
| 20:58.06 | |Shadow| | i love it when i find a horde bot on pvp |
| 20:58.12 | SB1-Work | anyways, afk |
| 20:58.21 | |Shadow| | next time i see one i want to pull him to a city :) |
| 20:59.15 | Miravlix | man this is hopeless |
| 20:59.34 | Miravlix | The beta server started out by saying my name was in violation of the naming policy |
| 20:59.38 | cladhaire | I can't believe this guy: http://forums.wowglider.com/viewtopic.43837 |
| 20:59.43 | cladhaire | Miravlix: Yes.. ebveryone has to change their names. |
| 20:59.43 | foxlit | |Shadow|: I'm not sure if it works, they seem to let go of mobs when they lose aggro. |
| 20:59.50 | Miravlix | So I have no saved variables anyway. |
| 20:59.55 | cladhaire | has nothing to do with a violation, they get flagged when they get copied over. |
| 20:59.59 | cladhaire | youc an search and replace. |
| 21:00.03 | cladhaire | O.o |
| 21:00.08 | |Shadow| | foxlit theres a trick to it |
| 21:00.16 | |Shadow| | you have to wait till they attack a mob |
| 21:00.21 | |Shadow| | then kill there pet |
| 21:00.37 | |Shadow| | if you kill there pet before they kill the mob, they will just stand there. do nothing and let the mob kill them (durability damage ftw) |
| 21:00.40 | kaiden | it's so hilarious seeing all those botters getting banned |
| 21:00.48 | Miravlix | I can't even shift to shapes, I lost the addon with the keybinding |
| 21:00.56 | |Shadow| | if you kill there pet after they finish the mob, they follow you :) |
| 21:01.08 | grimman|afkish | their pet* |
| 21:01.27 | foxlit | Mm, I've just tried to get a paladin away from jadefire run. Doesn't work :( |
| 21:01.41 | |Shadow| | :( |
| 21:01.46 | grimman|afkish | And if you see any bots in Deadwind Pass you can, if you're a bit sneaky, trick them into jumping down the cliffs. |
| 21:01.52 | |Shadow| | just kill him to 1% and let the mob finish him then :) |
| 21:02.03 | grimman|afkish | There's even a place where they die from the fall... but far from everywhere. |
| 21:02.08 | foxlit | carebear server :( |
| 21:02.25 | JoshBorke | i just like to group with them, set to master looter, and steal all the loots |
| 21:02.35 | foxlit | They deny invites usually |
| 21:02.43 | foxlit | He almost died from pathing when he couldn't get to a caster mob, but then the caster ran out of mana. |
| 21:02.57 | kaiden | why would people bot in deadwind pass? |
| 21:02.58 | |Shadow| | lol |
| 21:03.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | i love terrorizing farmers |
| 21:03.09 | foxlit | Birds drop decent loot |
| 21:03.12 | grimman|afkish | hehe, I bugged one so he got to a place where the mob couldn't reach him. |
| 21:03.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | deadwind pass is a veeery popular botting zone |
| 21:03.16 | JoshBorke | kaiden: undead drop good loots |
| 21:03.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | * kaiden has never even bothered going to that zone other than to run through it |
| 21:03.21 | grimman|afkish | Bot just stood there wasting ammo for half an hour. |
| 21:03.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | and that's why |
| 21:03.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | less people to run into other than other bots |
| 21:03.43 | kaiden | i'm nervous to go home today |
| 21:03.50 | kaiden | probably gonna login and all my crap is gonna be sharded |
| 21:03.54 | kaiden | or mailed off :( |
| 21:04.10 | ckknight | kaiden how come? |
| 21:04.11 | JoshBorke | kaiden: you should put parental controls on it |
| 21:04.23 | kaiden | i was hacked last night |
| 21:04.34 | kaiden | and had work early this morning so the extent of me dealing with it has been to change my password |
| 21:04.42 | ckknight | im in ur akkount shardin ur purplz |
| 21:04.51 | |Shadow| | lol |
| 21:05.10 | kaiden | getting together a bsd box with ipchains right now and some netmon crap, and also going to format all of my machines in the entire house and put win vista on them. |
| 21:05.27 | Antiarc | cladhaire: That link is hilarious |
| 21:06.51 | Esamynn | hot damn, they increased the duration of Omen of Clarity to 30 minutes |
| 21:08.02 | foxlit | thorns yet? |
| 21:08.35 | Esamynn | heh, nope, Thorns is still 10 |
| 21:13.45 | ckknight | "frankly WoW is not worth $15 a month to me if i can't glide" -- why pay for WoW if you're not going to play anyway? |
| 21:14.29 | Inside | I know |
| 21:14.31 | Inside | wtf at gliders? |
| 21:14.53 | ckknight | srsly. |
| 21:15.09 | JoshBorke | srsly |
| 21:15.19 | ckknight | I mean, I just don't think it's worth it if you're going to bot. |
| 21:15.23 | ckknight | takes the fun out of the game |
| 21:15.54 | ckknight | just like lolololol I R teh 60 + have mad epix |
| 21:16.02 | ckknight | what's the point if you didn't earn said mad epix? |
| 21:16.03 | Elkano | but could be my only way to a level 60 char ;) |
| 21:16.05 | Gryphen | They claim that the fun starts at 60 with 8000 gold. The bots get them to the fun part....I guess. Everyone standing around in IF at 60 would say different. |
| 21:16.07 | Inside | a guy is like "Lulz, I hate grinding so I let glider get me 1-60" |
| 21:16.24 | Miravlix | Yeah but your definition of botting, is my definition for carpel tunnel syndrom |
| 21:17.15 | Neuro_Medivh | And they wonder why they are bored of WoW |
| 21:17.21 | ckknight | Miravlix, ? |
| 21:17.27 | Neuro_Medivh | "I'm GLAD I got banned, I was bored anyway" |
| 21:17.33 | Shadowed | lol |
| 21:17.43 | Neuro_Medivh | yeah right, you were so glad you spent 25 bucks and 16 a month |
| 21:18.08 | Shadowed | I neverunderstood why people seem to think that they can be uber just playing a level 60 char |
| 21:18.16 | Kaso | http://kasoo.net/img/imgs/WoWScrnShot_111706_210813.jpg <3 |
| 21:18.25 | Shadowed | it's a lot harder to lay out your buttons and know the class when it's just given to you |
| 21:19.42 | ckknight | Kaso, cool |
| 21:19.42 | Shadowed | wtf do you people get time to level your chars :p |
| 21:20.18 | ckknight | honestly, I'm way too fickle to get a single char to 60 |
| 21:20.26 | Shadowed | same |
| 21:20.27 | ckknight | I tend to get bored somewhere around early 20's |
| 21:20.36 | Shadowed | oh nm |
| 21:20.39 | ckknight | I gotta have one of every class! |
| 21:20.39 | Shadowed | you're just crazy :p |
| 21:20.50 | Shadowed | go get them all to 60 then |
| 21:22.32 | ckknight | oh God no. |
| 21:22.33 | ckknight | I don't have that time. |
| 21:22.39 | ckknight | also, I'd rather code than play |
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| 21:23.43 | Antiarc | I go in cycles. |
| 21:23.47 | Antiarc | Sometimes I don't want to even think about Lua. |
| 21:24.01 | Antiarc | Other times (like...now), I have no interest in playing - I just want to code. |
| 21:24.18 | |Shadow| | hmm, i have a intresting question |
| 21:24.20 | Antiarc | The last couple of weeks, the only play I've done has been Naxx raids, and I spend wipe recovery time reloading my UI to test changes :D |
| 21:24.26 | |Shadow| | is there any way to get information out and in of world of warcraft? |
| 21:24.31 | Miravlix | my machine just rebooted while playing WoW. |
| 21:24.41 | |Shadow| | like can you make active edits to files (maybe a lua file) from inside wow? |
| 21:25.03 | Antiarc | There are very few ways to get info to the outside. |
| 21:25.06 | ckknight | Antiarc, local fact = setmetatable({[1] = 1}, {__index(self, n) self[n] = n*self[n-1]; return self[n] end }) |
| 21:25.09 | Antiarc | Or get info from the outside. |
| 21:25.12 | ckknight | lua is fun! |
| 21:25.18 | deci | is there a way to check the cooldown of a skill and if its not ready, cast another skill, for a macro that is |
| 21:25.20 | |Shadow| | lol |
| 21:25.30 | |Shadow| | i mean like |
| 21:25.38 | |Shadow| | if i wrote something to write constant edits to a lua file |
| 21:25.42 | |Shadow| | would wow be able to pick that up |
| 21:26.03 | Shadowed | |Shadow| no |
| 21:26.19 | Antiarc | You could reload your UI to write to the SavedVars |
| 21:26.22 | Antiarc | But even that is interactive now |
| 21:26.25 | Antiarc | So in short, no. |
| 21:26.32 | |Shadow| | dam :( |
| 21:26.41 | |Shadow| | it'd be cool if you could |
| 21:26.46 | |Shadow| | you could write like WoWIRC lol |
| 21:26.49 | Shadowed | you used to be able to I believe |
| 21:27.13 | Shadowed | it's also easy and hard to find bots if they gave us live file/io though! |
| 21:27.27 | |Shadow| | spose |
| 21:27.28 | Shadowed | er, easy to make bots, hard to find them |
| 21:27.31 | Antiarc | ckknight: Nifty, but what's the use of it? |
| 21:27.44 | ckknight | Antiarc, that's a cache that gives you factorial numbers. |
| 21:27.48 | |Shadow| | does anyone here know how to use bongos |
| 21:27.50 | ckknight | assert(fact[5] == 120) |
| 21:27.52 | |Shadow| | and mind giving me 5 minutes help with it |
| 21:27.53 | Antiarc | Ah, I didn't realize it was factorial! |
| 21:27.55 | Antiarc | Clever! |
| 21:28.03 | ckknight | and it calculates only once. |
| 21:28.05 | Antiarc | I was just thinking in terms of one index, rather than a cascaded index. |
| 21:28.07 | Antiarc | Very nice. |
| 21:28.20 | ckknight | here's another good use of caching for lua: |
| 21:28.55 | Antiarc | metatables aren't serialized to lua, are they? |
| 21:28.57 | ckknight | local fib = setmetatable({[0] = 0, [1] = 1}, { __index = function(self, n) self[n] = self[n-1]+self[n-2]; return self[n] end }) |
| 21:29.01 | ckknight | no, Antiarc. |
| 21:29.12 | ckknight | that's the fibonacci sequence. |
| 21:29.26 | ckknight | assert(fib[10] == 55) |
| 21:29.27 | Antiarc | Heh, yes :) |
| 21:29.44 | Antiarc | I would -like- to be able to set an __index metaindex on a table that effectively translates super-compact serialized data into usable data, transparent to the function calling the table |
| 21:29.56 | Antiarc | But, I'd have to go apply the metatable to my loaded data, I suppose. |
| 21:30.19 | ckknight | Antiarc, AceDB can serialize/deserialize AceOO objects... |
| 21:30.24 | ckknight | but I doubt that's what you're looking for |
| 21:30.30 | Antiarc | Not quite what I'm looking for, now |
| 21:31.06 | Antiarc | I just have a hash table with descriptive keys. I'd like to serialize the data with compacted keys to save space, but keep the descriptive keys to make the code more self-documenting. |
| 21:31.25 | ckknight | hrm |
| 21:31.26 | Antiarc | I could set a meta table on the table that translates descriptive keys into compacted internal keys. |
| 21:31.33 | ckknight | well, I do something similar for Cartographer-MapUnhider |
| 21:31.42 | ckknight | I serialize multiple numbers into one giant number |
| 21:31.44 | Antiarc | But, I'd have to set it on each table loaded from SavedVariables after VARIABLES_LOADED |
| 21:32.01 | ckknight | yea, you could do that |
| 21:32.14 | ckknight | also, SVs are available at ADDON_LOADED now |
| 21:32.17 | Antiarc | Is there a clean hook that you can catch to serialize data just before it's written to SavedVariables? |
| 21:32.26 | Antiarc | I can get it back out easily enough with ADDON_LOADED |
| 21:32.36 | Antiarc | Or should I just make all written data serialized? |
| 21:32.45 | ckknight | PLAYER_LOGOUT |
| 21:32.51 | Antiarc | That fires on UI reload? |
| 21:32.56 | ckknight | yes |
| 21:33.01 | Antiarc | Woot, good stuff. |
| 21:33.14 | ckknight | AceDB allows you to put AceOO objects in the DB, it deserializes on ADDON_LOADED and serializes on PLAYER_LOGOUT |
| 21:33.17 | ckknight | quite nicely, actually. |
| 21:33.21 | ckknight | so it is sorta similar. |
| 21:33.52 | Antiarc | That should allow me to compact my stored data significantly. |
| 21:34.03 | JoshBorke | Antiarc: have you seen the LZW lib? |
| 21:34.22 | Antiarc | I'm familiar with it, but not with the algorithm. |
| 21:34.29 | Antiarc | Or are you talking a specific lib, like for Lua? |
| 21:34.35 | JoshBorke | there's one written for lua |
| 21:34.37 | Antiarc | Ooh. |
| 21:34.38 | JoshBorke | if that would help any |
| 21:34.44 | ckknight | Antiarc, one major thing that AceDB does to store data is to take the default values out on PLAYER_LOGOUT and put them back in on ADDON_LOADED |
| 21:34.48 | Antiarc | That might be worth considering. |
| 21:34.55 | Inside | Wow |
| 21:34.59 | Inside | hellfire just burst into fire and died. |
| 21:35.00 | Inside | very nice. |
| 21:35.08 | Antiarc | High five! |
| 21:35.12 | Neuro_Medivh | the server? |
| 21:35.14 | JoshBorke | Antiarc: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=5394 |
| 21:35.15 | Inside | Yes, the server. |
| 21:35.18 | ckknight | so that if value = 5 is in the defaults and in your db, it'll be turned to nil just before you logout. |
| 21:35.25 | Antiarc | I'll take a peek at it. Thanks, JoshBorke |
| 21:35.34 | Antiarc | Right, so it doesn't get serialized |
| 21:36.10 | thr | hmm okey got 225 enchanting now, i remember from somewhere back in the day that you need to go to uldaman to get 300 max right? |
| 21:36.25 | Inside | Yup |
| 21:36.27 | Inside | And level 35 |
| 21:36.37 | ckknight | lvl 40 |
| 21:36.40 | ckknight | I thought |
| 21:36.46 | thr | 35 it is |
| 21:37.04 | thr | hmm ok, ye i think i remember her now been so long since i was in that stupid instance ;< |
| 21:37.50 | grimman|afkish | http://pici.se/pictures/5m21Gg.jpg |
| 21:37.55 | TS|Skrom | go in the back door, about 3-7 pulls (depending how you pull ^.^ ) away |
| 21:40.27 | End | 40 is for secondary skills |
| 21:40.35 | End | 35 for primary |
| 21:44.28 | wereHamster | Do I get UNIT_SPELLCAST_START for "target"? even if the target is hostile? |
| 21:44.39 | Neuro_Medivh | yes, in beta |
| 21:44.57 | ckknight | well, I have to go to my complimentary free lunch and photoshoot with the president of the university. |
| 21:45.00 | Neuro_Medivh | arg1 = target |
| 21:46.03 | cogwheel | if a template has an OnLoad handler and a frame is created in lua, is the OnLoad called before CreateFrame returns? |
| 21:46.30 | Antiarc | http://ace.pastey.net/2520 - will that do what I think it will? |
| 21:46.32 | Shadowed | I wonder how long it'll take blizzard to remove spellcast start for target when hostile |
| 21:46.50 | End | I doubt they will |
| 21:47.25 | cogwheel | Why would you think they would? Isn't that necessary for the target casting bar? |
| 21:47.36 | End | yeah, they didn't provide it for AddOns |
| 21:47.44 | End | they provided it for themselves :P |
| 21:47.45 | Shadowed | hostile = hostile NPCs, or hostile PCs? |
| 21:47.53 | Antiarc | Both? |
| 21:48.08 | End | it works for both |
| 21:48.09 | cogwheel | Target casting bar is built into the default UI in 2.0 |
| 21:48.26 | Shadowed | does it work for players and not just npc's cogwheel? |
| 21:48.36 | End | it works for both |
| 21:48.38 | cogwheel | of course |
| 21:48.40 | Shadowed | bleh |
| 21:48.41 | End | I'll repeat again |
| 21:48.42 | Shadowed | how silly |
| 21:48.43 | End | it works for both |
| 21:49.07 | End | Shadowed plays a warrior mostly I think |
| 21:49.09 | Shadowed | no, i play a melee class. I just think it's stupid they keep adding stuff in to dumb down pvp |
| 21:49.50 | cogwheel | Well, it's nothing that isn't already available from combat logs... |
| 21:49.59 | End | yeah |
| 21:50.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | its more of leveling the playing field for people with CECB |
| 21:50.19 | Shadowed | the time it takes for the cast to complete isn't though |
| 21:50.29 | Shadowed | (and I already disagree with mods like CECB) |
| 21:50.43 | End | you can guess how long it takes to cast a fireball though |
| 21:50.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | which should be a solution to decursive instead of nerfing it to hell, would be making dispelling easier |
| 21:50.51 | End | you might be off by 0.5 seconds at most |
| 21:51.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | CECB just uses the combat log and displays a timer of the shortest amount of time the spell can possibly take |
| 21:51.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | assuming max talent points for it |
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| 21:51.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | even if they have none |
| 21:51.45 | Shadowed | indeed, and I still find it to be a silly mod that dumbs down the actual skill needed to pvp |
| 21:52.04 | Shadowed | Dispelling IS easier if you compare naxx/AQ to MC/BWL actually |
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| 21:54.08 | Antiarc | The only way they could "break" it is to completely remove both the event and "X begins to cast Y" messages in the combat log, I think, and that would be a pretty severe shift away from how things have been done. |
| 21:54.14 | |Shadow| | can anyone help me with any action bar mod at all? |
| 21:54.16 | |Shadow| | excludeing fubar? |
| 21:54.23 | |Shadow| | and discord :p |
| 21:54.26 | Shadowed | yeah, I realise that Antiarc :p |
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| 21:54.35 | kaiden | fubar isn't an action bar mod |
| 21:54.40 | kaiden | and which do you want to use shadow |
| 21:54.41 | Shadowed | but at least when you're only going off the casting in X, you still have to estimate it yourself |
| 21:54.47 | JoshBorke | Shadowed: :-( |
| 21:54.47 | |Shadow| | bongos im trying to set up atm |
| 21:54.52 | kaiden | discord action bars is the most powerful, bartender 2 is really quick to setup |
| 21:54.52 | JoshBorke | anyway, i'm off |
| 21:55.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | i just use bar options for cosmos for all my bar stuff |
| 21:55.02 | |Shadow| | bartender 2 doesn't have enough buttons |
| 21:55.05 | |Shadow| | discord is buggy as hell |
| 21:55.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | but someone needs to fix it for 2.0 |
| 21:55.13 | Antiarc | I like Bongos, but that's not Ace. |
| 21:55.15 | kaiden | lol how do you get that dab is buggy as hell |
| 21:55.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | cough |
| 21:55.29 | |Shadow| | kaiden when i used it |
| 21:55.34 | |Shadow| | duplicate buttons was one fault |
| 21:55.40 | kaiden | that's your fault, not it's |
| 21:55.49 | |Shadow| | whys that? |
| 21:55.50 | kaiden | not to sound mean of course |
| 21:55.57 | |Shadow| | lol |
| 21:55.59 | kaiden | but it says in the documentation that when you copy buttons it copies their id's |
| 21:56.07 | kaiden | and you can also setup button id's |
| 21:56.10 | kaiden | via the Button Setup option |
| 21:56.14 | |Shadow| | oh |
| 21:56.17 | |Shadow| | that'll be the problem then |
| 21:56.18 | Neuro_Medivh | DAB is definately the most powerful. It's also the hardest to set up. |
| 21:56.19 | kaiden | all you do is tell it to reset your buttons to 1-120 id's |
| 21:56.23 | |Shadow| | is discord less cpu intensive than dab? |
| 21:56.30 | kaiden | Neuro_Medivh, i actually find it the easiest |
| 21:56.34 | kaiden | dab = discord action bars |
| 21:56.50 | |Shadow| | cool |
| 21:56.52 | |Shadow| | i'll check that then |
| 21:57.00 | kaiden | in other words it is discord |
| 21:57.03 | Neuro_Medivh | I didn't. I found it very tricky to find all the options I wanted. But that's the trade-off you get with power/flexibility. |
| 21:57.16 | |Shadow| | i really liked flexbar |
| 21:57.21 | kaiden | when you say discord you have to understand that lozareth has a ton of mods he makes and calls them all discord something or another (other than total gold) so we shorten it |
| 21:57.25 | kaiden | to dab dart duf dfm |
| 21:57.26 | |Shadow| | shame it lags me or else that'd be perfect |
| 21:57.29 | kaiden | and now to the future dub |
| 21:58.00 | Neuro_Medivh | I suspect dub is like mazzleUI |
| 21:58.08 | kaiden | dub = Discord UI Builder |
| 21:58.13 | Neuro_Medivh | I know |
| 21:58.17 | kaiden | a conglomeration of all of his addons into one injectable interface |
| 21:58.24 | Neuro_Medivh | I just think it'll be one of those items that is constantly in development |
| 21:58.56 | Neuro_Medivh | But lord knows I could be wrong... i'm not TOTALLY omniscient =0 |
| 22:04.07 | Antiarc | I don't suppose there's a magic method to get the current memory usage of a table, is there? |
| 22:04.27 | |Shadow| | dam |
| 22:04.30 | |Shadow| | discord ui builder |
| 22:04.34 | |Shadow| | now that sounds fun |
| 22:05.37 | Neuro_Medivh | actually |
| 22:05.54 | Neuro_Medivh | it sounds like the coffee pot that is also a vacuum cleaner and a remote control |
| 22:06.05 | |Shadow| | yes |
| 22:06.11 | |Shadow| | i like something that does everything |
| 22:06.20 | Neuro_Medivh | I'd prefer it be modular |
| 22:06.36 | Neuro_Medivh | so if I only want DAB I don't have to load up DUF and DFM and all that other crap |
| 22:07.03 | Neuro_Medivh | I don't want to have to lug around the coffee pot just to watch TV |
| 22:07.05 | |Shadow| | lol |
| 22:07.15 | |Shadow| | true |
| 22:07.18 | foxlit | Metaphor is a bit off :) |
| 22:07.23 | |Shadow| | if hes gonna do that he should keep the modular stuff going too |
| 22:07.27 | |Shadow| | he probably will :P |
| 22:07.31 | foxlit | You don't want to have a coffe pot just to watch TV. |
| 22:07.45 | Neuro_Medivh | if your coffee pot is also the remote control, you do |
| 22:07.55 | foxlit | Presumably you wouldn't lug it about unless you wanted coffe |
| 22:07.57 | foxlit | e |
| 22:08.17 | Neuro_Medivh | yes, but we're talking about integrated items |
| 22:08.26 | Neuro_Medivh | some things don't need to be integrated |
| 22:08.39 | foxlit | Some coffee pots don't need to be purchased |
| 22:09.10 | Neuro_Medivh | you're making my case for me |
| 22:09.30 | foxlit | Hardly; my point is that it's a one-time cost. |
| 22:09.43 | *** join/#wowi-lounge malreth (n=triti@cpe-72-179-20-11.austin.res.rr.com) |
| 22:09.51 | malreth | i'm bleeding |
| 22:10.03 | Thunder_Child | yes mal, it happens once a month |
| 22:10.03 | Neuro_Medivh | RL or in game? |
| 22:10.39 | malreth | thanks |
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| 22:19.21 | Shadowed | malreth get into less fights |
| 22:19.50 | Neuro_Medivh | or at least win them |
| 22:19.57 | malreth | i just sat down and my nose started bleeding... |
| 22:20.06 | Neuro_Medivh | stop doing so much blow |
| 22:20.06 | malreth | i always get nosebleeds during the winter |
| 22:20.16 | Thunder_Child | dont sit down so hard |
| 22:20.31 | malreth | what if I forget to sit down carefully? |
| 22:20.55 | Thunder_Child | "you are NOT supposed to use the keyboard with your nose" |
| 22:21.13 | Thunder_Child | umm..you get a nose bleed then, i guess |
| 22:21.37 | malreth | that's stupid! |
| 22:23.12 | foxlit | Whoever designed Arcane Runes quest in Aszhara has a lot to answer for |
| 22:23.53 | Thunder_Child | i dunno, it's fine except for the helicopter part |
| 22:24.08 | foxlit | Exactly |
| 22:24.47 | foxlit | "Oh, and for your convinience, I'm going to require you to run/swim through monsters 4 levels above those you've had to fight to get the sketches. Just cause I'm so nice." |
| 22:32.52 | Mikma | hah |
| 22:33.58 | SB1-Work | BaH |
| 22:34.05 | SB1-Work | Erm, screwed up caps lock |
| 22:34.07 | malreth | HaB |
| 22:34.14 | malreth | ~SB1-Work |
| 22:34.15 | purl | type ~playing with fire to get SB1-Work in trouble |
| 22:34.17 | SB1-Work | I actually had a question for slouken, come back and see that :P |
| 22:34.22 | malreth | ~playing with fire |
| 22:34.23 | purl | if you play with fire, expect to get burned |
| 22:34.52 | SB1-Work | Sadly, it's not funny any more |
| 22:34.58 | malreth | ~jerg |
| 22:34.59 | purl | ACTION ZERG HERGING JERG MY BERG!!! |
| 22:35.09 | malreth | ~jerg |
| 22:35.11 | purl | ACTION SKONK JONKED malreth's HONK!!! ZONK!! |
| 22:35.35 | malreth | i'll never get tired of this! |
| 22:35.37 | malreth | ~jerg |
| 22:35.38 | purl | ACTION SKONK JONKED malreth's HONK!!! ZONK!! |
| 22:35.47 | malreth | ok, i'm tired of this |
| 22:36.07 | cogwheel | ~build fire |
| 22:36.08 | purl | Build a man a fire, you've warmed him for the night. Set a man on fire, you've warmed him for the rest of his life. |
| 22:36.28 | malreth | ok, no i'm not tired... |
| 22:36.30 | malreth | ~jerg |
| 22:36.32 | purl | ACTION ZERG HERGING JERG MY BERG!!! |
| 22:36.41 | Guillotine | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=83548859&sid=1 <-- best blue post ever |
| 22:36.45 | malreth | hmm... i thought it said more than that... |
| 22:36.51 | malreth | ~literal jerg |
| 22:36.53 | purl | "jerg" is "<action>(knarged his flarg!|ZERG HERGING JERG MY BERG!!!|SKONK JONKED $who's HONK!!! ZONK!!)" |
| 22:37.03 | malreth | oh yeah... knarged! |
| 22:37.21 | SB1-Work | rofl |
| 22:37.26 | SB1-Work | That's a pretty good thread |
| 22:38.09 | malreth | OH SNAP! |
| 22:38.26 | malreth | i love it when mods do that |
| 22:38.50 | wereHamster | spell, rank, displayName, icon, startTime, endTime = UnitCastingInfo("unit") |
| 22:39.11 | wereHamster | what scale in is startTime and endTime? it's not related to getTime() at all |
| 22:40.38 | Esamynn | wereHamster: it is |
| 22:40.39 | wereHamster | oh.. I see not.. it's GetTime() * 1000 |
| 22:40.58 | Esamynn | I noticed that too when it was first put in |
| 22:41.36 | wereHamster | HealSync will be great in TBC :P |
| 22:41.52 | wereHamster | I see it comming.. |
| 22:42.18 | foxlit | It'd only have to send spell targets, then. Cute :) |
| 22:42.33 | |Shadow| | http://www.discordmods.com/DiscordActionBars/CustomLayouts/WarlockUI_t.jpg |
| 22:42.34 | |Shadow| | rofl |
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| 22:43.56 | foxlit | "5) Glider is made buy blizzard for more money, and to ban accts to get more possible money." |
| 22:44.14 | SB1-Work | mmm, idiocy |
| 22:44.19 | Saeris | Is it not safe to hook WorldMapFrame_Update? |
| 22:44.21 | Osagasu | lol... |
| 22:44.24 | |Shadow| | rofl |
| 22:44.29 | |Shadow| | yes banning people makes blizzard more money |
| 22:44.34 | |Shadow| | would you belive it? its true! |
| 22:44.36 | foxlit | I wonder if that's a patentable business model |
| 22:48.35 | |Shadow| | maybe |
| 22:48.42 | |Shadow| | "if we ban like, everyone...we'd be rich!!!" |
| 22:48.59 | Saeris | Do the movement functions randomly call WorldMapFrame_Update, or what? Sometimes I can hook it with no side effects, sometimes hooking it makes me completely immobile. |
| 22:56.55 | Saeris | It's the damnedest thing. |
| 22:57.54 | SB1-Work | Saeris, beta/PTR or live? |
| 22:58.33 | End | I ended up getting locked in position earlier today too, but that was after my net connection crapped out, then apparently I got high in the sky where I died and then had to run back, only my ghost was stuck in place |
| 22:58.47 | End | it was very bizarre, and relogging fixed it |
| 22:59.30 | End | (might be my fault AddOn wise for getting stuck, but the whole thing was weird, and that was the one time) |
| 23:00.19 | Saeris | Beta, SB1 |
| 23:00.31 | Saeris | US PvE server, Hellfire |
| 23:00.47 | Saeris | It seems to have stopped locking me in place for the time being. |
| 23:04.31 | foxlit | Hah, bot attacked Arei. |
| 23:07.12 | wereHamster | woule be nice if all 'time' valued would have the same unit.. either seconds or miliseconds, but mixing it is horrible :(( |
| 23:07.24 | wereHamster | s/valued/values/ |
| 23:07.50 | Esamynn | Saeris: there is currently an acknowledged but where you can get stuck in place if you don't wait for the timer while logging out |
| 23:24.10 | foxlit | Wow, they've seriously been cutting escort quests |
| 23:24.59 | foxlit | First the elf from the hive in feralas simply ports away after being freed from the cocoon, and now Arei says "fine, whatever" after getting out of Irontree Woods, forget about walking him to Ashenvale |
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| 23:30.19 | grimman|afkish | http://loot.dlxmedia.net/?ingame-019.jpg << That looked pretty nice. :P |
| 23:32.09 | Thunder_Child | that is an interesting look |
| 23:32.38 | End | that's old |
| 23:32.52 | grimman|afkish | VERY old. :) |
| 23:33.03 | grimman|afkish | And... it looks better than vanilla WoW in my opinion. |
| 23:33.20 | End | I don't like the look |
| 23:33.36 | End | mostly I don't like the dragony things |
| 23:33.50 | grimman|afkish | I actually contemplated recreating this at one point. |
| 23:33.54 | Tain | Unicorns would be pretty sweet. |
| 23:33.59 | grimman|afkish | But I figured I'd never use it myself. |
| 23:34.56 | foxlit | Something very wrong with minimap there |
| 23:35.27 | foxlit | Or maybe not. |
| 23:35.38 | grimman|afkish | What would that be? |
| 23:36.18 | foxlit | direction of the arrow on it |
| 23:36.30 | End | yeah, but the camera is flipped around from the player |
| 23:36.43 | foxlit | Took a while to realize that the npc-looking thing is a player |
| 23:36.48 | End | yeah |
| 23:37.14 | grimman|afkish | Oh, back when that screen was taken there were four trinket slots. |
| 23:51.28 | Tain | See what happens when you waste your life standing in line for a game console? |
| 23:51.30 | Tain | TYSONS CORNER, Va. - Police used pepper balls to contain a crowd waiting for the Circuit City at Tysons Corner Mall to open Friday morning. |
| 23:52.32 | Tain | HARTFORD, Conn. (AP) - Two armed thugs tried to rob a line of people waiting for the new PlayStation 3 game system to go on sale early Friday and shot one man who refused to give up his money, authorities said. |
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| 23:56.27 | blas | hi |
| 23:56.35 | Gryphen | heya |
| 23:57.05 | blas | ehm iam looking for the owner of clearfonts, i read that he can be reached here |
| 23:57.16 | cladhaire | Kirkburn: PING =) |
| 23:58.08 | blas | anyway ill try to ask you guys. i've downloaded PhotekUI56b.zip |
| 23:58.34 | blas | i deleted my interface/addons and WTF as it was in the readme |
| 23:59.02 | blas | i copied the new 2 dir from the archive and there were a Fonts dir either |
| 23:59.05 | blas | i copied all. |
| 23:59.35 | blas | well i didnt like the addon, so i deleted wtf and interface and restored my old files from a backup dir |
| 23:59.49 | blas | i got my old interface back but something changed |
| 23:59.53 | blas | the fonts in all wow |
