irclog2html for #wowi-lounge on 20061119

`00:04.14`	`cncfanatics`	`anyone here knows how stance changes work in TBC ?`
`00:04.16`	`cncfanatics`	`i'd need some help`
`00:04.26`	`cncfanatics`	`http://ace.pastey.net/2528 i'm wondering why its not working :(`
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`00:20.22`	`ckknight`	`hey all`
`00:20.42`	`Cairenn`	`hi ckknight`
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`01:12.40`	`Industrial`	`cladhaire: ping`
`01:12.59`	`deci`	`http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n63/yadigodia/lolwii.jpg`
`01:13.49`	`Industrial`	`I suck with controllers, thats why im a pc fanboi`
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`01:22.21`	`Industrial`	`SLASH_IDBUTTONS1 = '/idbuttons'`
`01:22.21`	`Industrial`	`SLASH_IDBUTTONS2 = '/idb'`
`01:22.21`	`Industrial`	`SlashCmdList['IDBUTTONS'] = function(sInput) idButtons:HandleSlashcommands(sInput) end`
`01:22.24`	`Industrial`	`doesnt work`
`01:22.28`	`Industrial`	`? :S`
`01:22.46`	`Industrial`	`never mind`
`01:25.19`	`Grem`	`Does anyone know the best way to render a resizable rectangle?`
`01:25.49`	`ckknight`	`CreateFrame("Button","MyFrame")`
`01:25.59`	`Grem`	`lol, duh`
`01:26.00`	`ckknight`	`MyFrame:CreateTexture("MyTexture", Overlay)`
`01:26.01`	`Grem`	`Wtf am I thinking`
`01:26.10`	`Grem`	`Sorry, braindead tonight`
`01:26.10`	`ckknight`	`MyTexture:SetTexture(0, 0, 1)`
`01:26.43`	`Grem`	`Thanks`
`01:26.43`	`ckknight`	`then you set up scripts and such to resize it.`
`01:26.43`	`Grem`	`You could have come up with a much more sarcastic answer =)`
`01:26.43`	`Grem`	`Yeah`
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`01:38.18`	`Industrial`	`What have I done wrong here? No sarcasm. http://pastey.net/2529 The buttons are existant. /idb b=1 p=UIParent p1=CENTER p2=CENTER`
`01:39.22`	`Industrial`	`oh btw im getting`
`01:39.47`	`Industrial`	`idButtons: b="" p="" p1="1" p2="2"`
`01:39.59`	`Industrial`	`idButtions: Error: lern2spell nubcake.`
`01:40.02`	`Industrial`	`:>`
`01:40.19`	`Industrial`	`HLEP`
`01:42.15`	`Cairenn`	`no hlep 4 u`
`01:43.19`	`MentalPower`	`Industrial: whats the problem?`
`01:44.18`	`Industrial`	`MentalPower: that im supplying the right slash command but my handler is broken :(`
`01:44.41`	`MentalPower`	`Industrial: you do know there's a strsplit() function in WoW-2.0 right?`
`01:44.58`	`Industrial`	`this is not for 2.0 :-), but no i dont :o`
`01:45.31`	`Industrial`	`its pretty fast now tbh`
`01:45.31`	`Industrial`	`the one i took is from lua-users.org`
`01:45.59`	`Industrial`	`the addon is this code, some more that will save it to the db and load it on start, and 120 actionbuttons`
`01:46.05`	`Industrial`	`btw :)`
`01:46.09`	`Thardal`	`you need to take that beast of an if statement apart for easier debugging`
`01:46.33`	`Thardal`	`in lua its pretty easy for something you dont expect to be nil`
`01:46.37`	`Thardal`	`i'm guessing its that`
`01:51.51`	`Industrial`	`its not a beast :P its 1 loop and an if statement.. cause theres no switch`
`01:52.20`	`Industrial`	`but if anyone has a better idea to parse this=that this=that, be my guest`
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`02:01.28`	`Shadowed`	`Can use commons for variables if they're all nil by the way`
`02:01.32`	`Shadowed`	`local foo, bar;`
`02:03.05`	`MentalPower`	`Industrial: for another way to do it, you can consult the WoW-2.0 version of ChatFrame.lua`
`02:03.19`	`nevcairiel`	`Did anyone encounter ADDON_ACTION_BLOCKED events originating in QuestLog_OnEvent in TBC ? Its kinda weird, i cant figure out whats causing it`
`02:03.35`	`MentalPower`	`specifically the /cast options`
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`02:08.20`	`Industrial`	`hmm`
`02:08.50`	`Kirkburn`	`"The Flying Mount trainers and vendors are temporarily up in Thrallmar and Honor Hold. Please note that this is only temporary. Eventually, they will be located in Shadowmoon Valley. "`
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`02:16.58`	`Industrial`	`ugh, my code is horrible`
`02:16.59`	`Industrial`	`:P`
`02:17.41`	`ckknight_`	`no rebuttals`
`02:18.55`	`Industrial`	`i never said it was pretty`
`02:19.10`	`Grem`	`ckknight, im using your example you posed to me before, and nothing is rendering`
`02:19.18`	`Grem`	`What would cause a dynamically created frame to not render?`
`02:19.55`	`ckknight`	`Grem, you didn't use :SetPoint?`
`02:19.59`	`ckknight`	`you have to position it`
`02:20.03`	`Grem`	`I did`
`02:20.04`	`ckknight`	`and give it a width/height`
`02:20.10`	`Grem`	`Ive done that also`
`02:20.23`	`ckknight`	`oh, for the texture, do :SetAllPoints(MyFrame)`
`02:20.41`	`Grem`	`hmm, okay`
`02:21.54`	`Grem`	`Still no`
`02:22.01`	`ckknight`	`*astey.`
`02:22.02`	`Grem`	`I cant figure out why it's not appearing, im sure ive had this working before`
`02:22.04`	`ckknight`	`pastey*`
`02:22.23`	`Garoun\|Loupana`	`anyone know if there are any location mods that are BC compatible at the moment?`
`02:22.31`	`Grem`	`I dont even need a texture do I? I can just create a frame?`
`02:22.48`	`Grem`	`Im not even seeing the frame im creating`
`02:22.50`	`ckknight`	`pastey!`
`02:22.55`	`Gngsk`	`Garoun\|Loupana, what do you mean by 'location mod'?`
`02:23.04`	`Grem`	`whats the pastey bin link?`
`02:23.07`	`Garoun\|Loupana`	`one that displays the location coordinates`
`02:23.09`	`Kaso`	`Garoun\|Loupana i got cMinimapCoordinates of wowi it works fine`
`02:23.10`	`ckknight`	`pastey.net`
`02:23.18`	`Garoun\|Loupana`	`cool, thx`
`02:23.22`	`ckknight`	`Garoun\|Loupana, LocationFu works`
`02:23.29`	`Gngsk`	`omg, I was gonna say that!`
`02:23.36`	`ckknight`	`Garoun\|Loupana, also, Cartographer`
`02:23.38`	`ckknight`	`:-P`
`02:23.43`	`Gngsk`	`lol`
`02:24.11`	`Garoun\|Loupana`	`weird, the one i dled off wowace didn't work`
`02:24.23`	`Grem`	`Im starting with this ckknight: http://pastey.net/2532`
`02:24.36`	`Grem`	`I would expect that to appear`
`02:24.37`	`ckknight`	`Garoun\|Loupana, change the toc.`
`02:24.56`	`ckknight`	`Grem, you never setpoint.`
`02:25.05`	`Grem`	`ah`
`02:25.12`	`cladhaire`	`Industrial: PONG`
`02:25.13`	`ckknight`	`f:SetPoint("CENTER", UIParent, "CENTER")`
`02:25.37`	`Garoun\|Loupana`	`k k`
`02:25.47`	`Grem`	`There we go`
`02:25.48`	`Grem`	`hehe`
`02:25.51`	`Grem`	`Thanks man`
`02:26.24`	`ckknight`	`:-)`
`02:32.32`	`Thrae`	`Boy, I feel sorry for the authors whose addons are going to be crucified in 2.0.`
`02:32.54`	`Shadowed`	`I don't`
`02:33.02`	`Shadowed`	`except the ones that actually did legitement things with it`
`02:34.15`	`Thrae`	`I'm still trying to wrap my head around this new system...so you can't auto-choose which spell to cast on a single keypress?`
`02:34.27`	`MentalPower`	`nop`
`02:34.59`	`Thrae`	`Awww, there goes my 13 button interface.`
`02:35.39`	`MentalPower`	`what did it do?`
`02:36.58`	`Thrae`	`Well now I'll need something like ALT+LeftButton = Highest Heal, CTRL+LeftButton = 2nd Best Heal, ALT+SHIFT+LeftButton= 3rd Best Heal, CTRL+ALT+LeftButton=Emergency Heal...`
`02:37.21`	`Thrae`	`That'll be confusing for a while, but hopefully I'll get used to it.`
`02:37.28`	`MentalPower`	`yep, its called Clique :)`
`02:37.46`	`Thrae`	`Clique won't be able to do efficient heals in 2.0...right?`
`02:37.52`	`cladhaire`	`no`
`02:38.03`	`Thrae`	`No as in correct?`
`02:38.25`	`MentalPower`	`correct`
`02:39.18`	`Industrial`	`someone is selling his large brown sack on the trade channel`
`02:39.20`	`Thrae`	`What about addons that scan information and provide buttons to click on based on that information?`
`02:39.32`	`Thrae`	`Such as CorkFu, or NeedyList.`
`02:40.16`	`MentalPower`	`for somthing like "who needs renew" kinda thing?`
`02:40.29`	`Thrae`	`"Who needs Blessing of Wisdom"`
`02:40.43`	`MentalPower`	`if its out of combat, theres no problem`
`02:40.53`	`MentalPower`	`they will have to be re-written, but its possible OOC`
`02:41.08`	`Thrae`	`Yeah but some fights last longer then 5 minutes, especially boss fights.`
`02:41.21`	`MentalPower`	`thats what greater blessings are for :P`
`02:41.28`	`Thrae`	`Not at Level 20 ;_;`
`02:41.47`	`MentalPower`	`ok, which fight at lvl 20 takes more than 5mins?`
`02:41.52`	`Shadowed`	`you dont need those kind of mods at level 2-`
`02:41.52`	`Shadowed`	`er 20`
`02:42.07`	`Cide`	`hogger.`
`02:42.14`	`Shadowed`	`~lart Cide`
`02:42.19`	`Cide`	`:)`
`02:42.24`	`Thrae`	`VC took more then 5 minutes for my crappy team.`
`02:42.31`	`Cide`	`~lart Cide`
`02:42.32`	`MentalPower`	`you get two of them for that one`
`02:42.46`	`MentalPower`	`or three`
`02:42.51`	`Shadowed`	`really, they're meant for more 20/40 man raids where you have alot of people to manage, and 3-6 paladins cordinating buffs`
`02:42.58`	`Thrae`	`Anyway, I just realized timers should work in-combat...`
`02:43.38`	`MentalPower`	`fight timers? why woudn't they?`
`02:43.57`	`Thrae`	`No, something like AceTimer or TT_SpellTimer which starts a timer when a spell is cast.`
`02:44.19`	`MentalPower`	`theres new events to make that even easier`
`02:44.29`	`Arrowmaster`	`not really`
`02:44.53`	`MentalPower`	`oh?`
`02:45.02`	`Arrowmaster`	`still have to check to see if the debuffs actually got applied and not resisted/immune`
`02:45.26`	`MentalPower`	`and UnitBuff/UnitDebuff didn't get new returns didn't it :P`
`02:45.47`	`MentalPower`	`s/it/they/`
`02:45.59`	`MentalPower`	`~lart purl`
`02:46.05`	`MentalPower`	`lol!`
`02:46.32`	`Cide`	`so uhh, my button hates me`
`02:46.42`	`Arrowmaster`	`which seems to be what makes so many debuff timer mods complete crap, either they mess up on detecting and will start a timer for a resisted spell or they mess up and dont detect when a debuff got reapplyed or their checks are shitty and end up making the timer slow`
`02:46.46`	`Cide`	`:GetText() is correct, but no text is displayed`
`02:46.49`	`Thrae`	`Cide: Try buttoning bottom to top`
`02:46.57`	`Cide`	`Thrae: oh, good point!`
`02:47.03`	`Cide`	`and yes, I have defined NormalText`
`02:47.19`	`Thrae`	`Cide: Is this in 2.0?`
`02:47.24`	`Cide`	`yeah, did something change?`
`02:47.43`	`Thrae`	`I haven't tested anything in 2.0, so I can't say. Probably.`
`02:47.52`	`Cide`	`the same exact code works in live`
`02:48.03`	`Thrae`	`Well that seems conclusive.`
`02:49.36`	`Cide`	`no idea what would've changed though`
`02:50.19`	`Thrae`	`Bah, they taunt us with the "UnitHasBuff" and "UnitHasDebuff" in 2.0, without letting my powerful "Cast Mark of the Wild or Thorns if not already on target"`
`02:50.43`	`Thrae`	`Cide: Dump the tables?`
`02:50.55`	`ckknight`	`UnitHasBuff was taken out and just replaced with UnitBuff`
`02:51.24`	`Cide`	`Thrae: dump the tables? /dump wouldn't help much`
`02:51.45`	`Esamynn`	`anyone know of an AddOn for attaching notes to ppl on your friend and ignore lists?`
`02:52.10`	`MentalPower`	`SocialNotes`
`02:52.11`	`Cide`	`CT_PlayerNotes :)`
`02:52.14`	`Thrae`	`Esamynn: Lots of addons`
`02:52.33`	`Esamynn`	`this idea just occured to me and I figured I couldn't ahve been the first one! ;)`
`02:52.35`	`Thrae`	`I recommend AttachNotesToFriendsOrEnemies by MrVerbosity`
`02:52.55`	`Esamynn`	`well in this case, it needs to be BC compatible ;)`
`02:53.03`	`Cide`	`CT_Core :P`
`02:53.07`	`Esamynn`	`:P`
`02:53.16`	`Esamynn`	`is CT_PlayerNotes standalone?`
`02:53.20`	`Cide`	`it is right now`
`02:53.30`	`Cide`	`methinks`
`02:53.45`	`Esamynn`	`well, if not, I'll make it standalone! ;)`
`02:54.29`	`Thrae`	`Cide: Are you hinting that all CTMods will merge into one massive mega-mod, where any option cannot be disabled?`
`02:54.36`	`Arrowmaster`	`it is, i used to use it before i switched to AuldLangSyne`
`02:54.36`	`Cide`	`yes Thrae`
`02:54.51`	`Cide`	`I call it CT_DOOM`
`02:55.20`	`Cide`	`where the three first letters form a common abbreviation that is exactly what the mod accomplishes`
`02:55.56`	`ckknight`	`I'm not sure this is in the true spirit of CTAcemos`
`02:56.05`	`ckknight`	`;-)`
`02:56.24`	`Thrae`	`Definitive Object-Oriented Modulization`
`02:57.13`	`Cide`	`ckknight: oh it is, I'm just taking it to a whole new level with CT_DOOM!`
`02:57.26`	`ckknight`	`hehe`
`02:57.32`	`ckknight`	`~doom`
`02:57.34`	`purl`	`ACTION stalks ckknight, chanting doom on you, doom on you!`
`02:57.41`	`ckknight`	`neat.`
`02:58.08`	`Miravlix`	`Doh, I've no idea where outlands is, how do you get there?`
`02:58.13`	`Cide`	`dark portal`
`02:58.16`	`Thrae`	`Through the Dark Portal`
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`02:58.39`	`Thrae`	`Y'know, the thing you stare at everytime you start WoW ;)`
`02:58.52`	`Arrowmaster`	`you have to swim down the center of the maelstorm`
`02:58.59`	`Miravlix`	`Start wow?`
`02:59.17`	`Miravlix`	`Last time I started wow was 2 years ago, I haven't stopped playing since`
`02:59.47`	`Thrae`	`Is there an addon that lets you do something when an action is finished cooling down?`
`02:59.55`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`Only 2 years?`
`03:00.06`	`Miravlix`	`Yeah EU hasn't been up that long`
`03:00.08`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`Oh, you had to restart for release`
`03:01.50`	`Thrae`	`I shall have to make one...I'm always slow hitting "Judgement" since it has such a short cooldown.`
`03:02.23`	`Miravlix`	`Thrae: Dont bother BC kills all decision addons`
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`03:03.03`	`Thrae`	`Miravlix: No I was just thinking of a reminder, like play a "Judgement is ready!" wav or displaying it in the error frame.`
`03:03.56`	`Miravlix`	`Hmm, if you don't see the cooldown on the button why would you see an error?`
`03:04.11`	`Miravlix`	`Sounds might work if it's annoying enough you always notice it though`
`03:04.34`	`Thrae`	`Well using the UIErrorFrame or my own custom floating text frame.`
`03:05.47`	`Miravlix`	`Maybe just focus on making the button more clearly marked when the cooldown wear off`
`03:06.20`	`Thrae`	`I like sounds, I respond more quickly to audial then visual cues.`
`03:06.40`	`Miravlix`	`I can't hear sound for the music`
`03:06.54`	`Miravlix`	`Usually have my mp3 collection running`
`03:07.00`	`Thrae`	`You let WoW's music pl--oh.`
`03:07.12`	`Thrae`	`Yeah, I don't like to listen to music while doing other things.`
`03:07.15`	`Miravlix`	`I do in BC beta, but not in live`
`03:07.16`	`Thrae`	`Except driving.`
`03:07.46`	`Miravlix`	`Blizzard make real music so listening to it for a while is okay`
`03:08.54`	`Miravlix`	`The worst thing about limited addons... feel I'm moving in slow motion without a current speed indicator. :)`
`03:09.19`	`Miravlix`	`Oh and speedy cat stealthing is animation messed up`
`03:09.20`	`Thrae`	`Speed indicator...never knew what the reason was for them.`
`03:09.21`	`grimman\|afkish`	`If you can't feel your movement speed by now...`
`03:09.22`	`grimman\|afkish`	`:P`
`03:09.38`	`Miravlix`	`I'm a coffee junky kitty when I stealth with pvp speed and talent`
`03:09.46`	`Thrae`	`Now if I play DAoC or EQ then WoW, I can definately notice a slowdown ;)`
`03:11.50`	`Miravlix`	`I can't tell the differnce between epic mount and my cat`
`03:12.46`	`Miravlix`	`Is there some way for bloods to get the belf mask that drop in Dranai land?`
`03:15.57`	`Miravlix`	`Leveling a belf rogue to 10 then I'm off to try to get it`
`03:16.05`	`ckknight`	`hehe`
`03:16.10`	`Miravlix`	`But I fear they are green mobs`
`03:28.31`	`Inside`	`Doo dooo doo o/`
`03:28.36`	`Inside`	`You know that judgement is an 8 sec cooldown`
`03:28.37`	`Inside`	`XD`
`03:28.52`	`Inside`	`It'll belike JUdgement is Ready.. 2..3..4...5..6..7..8.. judgement is ready`
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`03:55.55`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`What's a good 2.0 non-Ace button mod?`
`03:56.16`	`haste`	`TrinityButtons or something`
`03:56.20`	`haste`	`no idea if it's good or not tho' :D`
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`03:56.32`	`ckknight`	`it's clearly not, haste, I mean, it doesn't use Ace.`
`03:56.37`	`haste`	`hehe`
`03:56.41`	`ckknight`	`</sarcastic propaganda>`
`03:56.55`	`ckknight`	`hehe`
`03:56.59`	`haste`	`"This line is not valid XHTML 1.1 Strict"`
`03:57.03`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`sorry ck, I know it's your thing, but I don't trust Ace anymore`
`03:57.10`	`ckknight`	`how so?`
`03:57.21`	`haste`	`I'm guessing the: Ace has been blocked...`
`03:57.21`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`because the mod writers don't know how to consolidate or combine mods`
`03:57.36`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`so I end up with 8 different copies of ace`
`03:57.36`	`ckknight`	`what do you mean by that?`
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`03:57.57`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`I mean, every Ace-enabled mod I've tried in 2.0 has been broken`
`03:58.05`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`so I don't use Ace anymore`
`03:58.05`	`ckknight`	`oh`
`03:58.10`	`ckknight`	`that's cause you need the Ace2 TBC package.`
`03:58.17`	`haste`	`I branch my 2.0 add ons :3`
`03:58.17`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`No, the mod writers need it`
`03:58.25`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`ck, lets put it this way:`
`03:58.26`	`ckknight`	`no, everyone in TBC needs it.`
`03:58.37`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`While Ace is probably fantastic for mod developers`
`03:58.44`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`for casual mod users, it's a nightmare`
`03:58.58`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`I want self-contained mods`
`03:59.02`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`not mods that break each other`
`03:59.26`	`ckknight`	`I'm pretty sure that if you got the Ace2 TBC branch like you're supposed to, everything would be peachy.`
`03:59.31`	`haste`	`most of the loadup breakage is due to the people who localize`
`03:59.44`	`haste`	`trust me on that one :)`
`03:59.45`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`Or I can just choose to look for non-Ace alternatives`
`03:59.53`	`Cide`	`haste: so localization is discouraged?`
`03:59.56`	`ckknight`	`that's another possibility`
`04:00.13`	`ckknight`	`Cide, no, the koKR and zhCN translators just need to learn not to break our mods so much.`
`04:00.17`	`hugo`	`hi`
`04:00.17`	`haste`	`Cide: no, not at all, but some of the people who localize add ons on the WoWAce SVN has a tendency to break stuff`
`04:00.37`	`haste`	`which is why I revert commits daily :(`
`04:00.39`	`haste`	`or almost`
`04:01.39`	`Cide`	`ckknight: should revoke their commit rights and have someone test before committing, I'd say`
`04:01.49`	`ckknight`	`we've been doing that.`
`04:01.55`	`Miravlix`	`Just sitting in the character creation screen looking at starter clothes and you can tell someone at Bliz got the hots for belf`
`04:02.06`	`ckknight`	`lol, Miravlix`
`04:02.21`	`ckknight`	`I know, the guy is just so hunky`
`04:02.30`	`ckknight`	`</sarcasm>`
`04:02.31`	`Miravlix`	`I mean the clothes`
`04:02.44`	`Miravlix`	`The Warlock robe is one of the frekaing best robes I've ever seen'`
`04:03.17`	`Miravlix`	`belf look like crap, but there starter area, there clothes. wow`
`04:03.27`	`ckknight`	`their`
`04:03.36`	`ckknight`	`alright, dinnertime`
`04:03.51`	`Miravlix`	`After being totaly amazed I just crawled into my safe spot and cried when I saw belf animations`
`04:05.28`	`ckknight`	`lol`
`04:05.37`	`ckknight`	`just do the /flirt's and /silly's and it'll all be okay.`
`04:06.03`	`zenzelezz`	`such nonsense`
`04:06.08`	`zenzelezz`	`what matters is /train`
`04:06.40`	`ckknight`	`hehe`
`04:06.43`	`haste`	`only if you are a cow!`
`04:06.52`	`zenzelezz`	`nah, I love the orc one`
`04:06.58`	`zenzelezz`	`sadly my human /train sucks`
`04:09.11`	`ckknight`	`books are fun.`
`04:25.57`	`Thunder_Child`	`Way to go PCGamer http://www.pcgamer.com/archives/2006/11/111706_-_one_le.html`
`04:34.40`	`Inside`	`Wow`
`04:34.43`	`Inside`	`that is fucking.. hilarious`
`04:34.44`	`Inside`	`XD`
`04:42.21`	`Osagasu`	`Awesome.`
`04:42.44`	`Osagasu`	`Of course, it might end up being "err, uhhh. It's my wife's."`
`04:44.09`	`cladhaire`	`oh thats really cool =)`
`04:45.03`	`Inside`	`Um`
`04:45.13`	`Inside`	`A guy who waited 40 hours for a PS3 is not bound to have a wife`
`04:45.16`	`Inside`	`Unless she was there with him`
`04:45.16`	`Inside`	`<_<`
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`04:46.47`	`Thunder_Child`	`lol`
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`05:22.15`	`Cairenn`	`lol`
`05:22.18`	`Cairenn`	`http://www.cmfdesigns.com/kenandcarol/jokes/undies.htm`
`05:22.54`	`Thunder_Child`	`lol indeed`
`05:27.38`	`Thunder_Child`	`Rejected Halmark Cards`
`05:27.39`	`Thunder_Child`	`"Happy Birthday, Uncle Dad!!" (available only in Kentucky and West Virginia)`
`05:28.02`	`Cairenn`	`West Virginia ..... Five Million People, Fifteen Last Names`
`05:28.41`	`Cairenn`	`night MentalPower\|ZZzz`
`05:29.10`	`Thunder_Child`	`4 if you dont could the people that changed it`
`05:29.15`	`Thunder_Child`	`count*`
`05:30.14`	`Thunder_Child`	`err..do count..`
`05:30.20`	`Thunder_Child`	`it's been a long day`
`05:34.53`	`MentalPower\|ZZzz`	`night Cairenn`
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`05:40.24`	`Kirkburn`	`Y'know what I find humorous - even on PS3 launch week, it couldn't sell anywhere near as many units as Nintendo sold DS Lites \o/`
`05:40.32`	`Kirkburn`	`(In Japan)`
`05:41.18`	`Tain`	`That's only because Sony didn't manufacture that many.`
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`05:41.32`	`Tain`	`They sold out.`
`05:41.41`	`Kirkburn`	`I realise that, but on launch week it couldn't even make number one`
`05:42.00`	`Tain`	`Yeah, but that's not because of a lack of buyers.`
`05:42.43`	`Kirkburn`	`I know, I'm just saying that it doesn't make for a very impressive launch`
`05:43.03`	`Tain`	`No, but its been the same for every new system for years now.`
`05:45.07`	`zenzelezz`	`<Kirkburn> Y'know what I find humorous - even on PS3 launch week, it couldn't sell anywhere near as many units as Nintendo sold DS Lites \o/ <-- different systems, can't compare those`
`05:45.28`	`Kirkburn`	`I bally well can and will :)`
`05:45.54`	`zenzelezz`	`"Hey, Nintendo didn't sell as many as Nokia!"`
`05:47.39`	`Kirkburn`	`I could compare the PS3 to the, say, Xbox, though? I think there was a slight difference between units sold there at least ;)`
`05:48.02`	`Kirkburn`	`Let's just say the number of Xboxes sold in Japan rose by infinite percent last week`
`05:48.02`	`zenzelezz`	`aye`
`05:48.10`	`Kirkburn`	`To .... three.`
`05:48.15`	`Tain`	`The low amount of systems available at launch is absurd. It just creates an artifical demand in time for the Christmas season.`
`05:48.44`	`Kirkburn`	`(http://www.joystiq.com/2006/11/17/japanese-hardware-sales-6-november-12-november-new-contender/)`
`05:51.13`	`Kirkburn`	`Hmm, now that Vista and Office 2007 have RTMed, think I can add back the default font to ClearFont?`
`05:51.30`	`Kirkburn`	`Ping Cairenn :)`
`05:51.38`	`Cairenn`	`pong Kirkburn`
`05:51.45`	`Kirkburn`	`Your opinion, if you will?`
`05:53.22`	`Kirkburn`	`Since it's no longer beta software, I'm not sure whether someone will complain again :`
`05:53.24`	`Kirkburn`	`:/`
`05:53.33`	`Cairenn`	`shrug`
`05:57.17`	`Cairenn`	`HAH! Bar Talk -- Translations:`
`05:57.30`	`Cairenn`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:57.30`	`Cairenn`	`(Move your fat ass. Who do you think you are anyway? You're certainlynot all that, Miss Thing, coming in here dressed like a Pasadenahoochie momma...And get your eyes off of my man, or I'll slap you likethe slut you are.)`
`05:59.15`	`Kirkburn`	`lol`
`06:00.54`	`Tem`	`that's awesome, Cair`
`06:00.56`	`Tem`	`where'd you find it?`
`06:01.04`	`Grem`	`Hey, what's the command to convert a string name of an object type to an object type?`
`06:01.08`	`Cairenn`	`http://www.cmfdesigns.com/kenandcarol/jokes/bartalk.htm`
`06:05.08`	`Cairenn`	`Why Nagging a Man Doesn't Work`
`06:05.08`	`Cairenn`	`What a woman says:`
`06:05.08`	`Cairenn`	`"This place is a mess! C'mon, You and I need to clean up, Your stuff is lying on the floor and you'll have no clothes to wear, if we don't do laundry right now!"`
`06:05.08`	`Cairenn`	`What a man hears:`
`06:05.08`	`Cairenn`	`blah, blah, blah, blah, C'MON blah, blah, blah, blah, YOU AND I blah, blah, blah, blah, ON THE FLOOR blah, blah, blah, blah, NO CLOTHES blah, blah, blah, blah, RIGHT NOW`
`06:07.12`	`Tem`	`Cairenn, poke`
`06:07.23`	`Cairenn`	`hmmm?`
`06:07.38`	`Tem`	`I have a beta version of one of my addons for TBC`
`06:07.50`	`Cairenn`	`and?`
`06:08.02`	`Thunder_Child`	`and?...cant you read his mind?`
`06:08.07`	`Thunder_Child`	`sheesh`
`06:08.12`	`Tem`	`is there an easy way I can copy everything from the normal description (including screeshots) to use in the description of the TBC version`
`06:08.49`	`Cairenn`	`yes, you tell me which mod it is (easiest way is to give me the link), I copy it into the BC category, you then update it with the proper zip file`
`06:09.02`	`Tem`	`ah that's easy`
`06:09.09`	`Cairenn`	`scary, what?`
`06:09.11`	`Tem`	`(now, this still leaves the old mod in place, right?)`
`06:09.21`	`Cairenn`	`I did say "copy" not "move", didn't I?`
`06:09.30`	`Tem`	`aye, just making sure`
`06:09.57`	`Cairenn`	`gimme the link`
`06:10.06`	`Tem`	`lemme get the new version packaged first`
`06:12.58`	`Tem`	`bleh`
`06:13.06`	`Tem`	`didn't fix the bug I thought I had`
`06:13.59`	`Tem`	`oh good, easy oversight`
`06:15.42`	`Tem`	`ok, Cairenn, http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4117`
`06:16.26`	`Cairenn`	`done`
`06:16.32`	`Tem`	`thanks a lot`
`06:16.47`	`Tem`	`oh, actually, that's in the wrong cat`
`06:16.55`	`Tem`	`it should be in standalone`
`06:16.59`	`Tem`	`under tradeskill`
`06:17.22`	`Cairenn`	`also done`
`06:17.40`	`Tem`	`<#`
`06:17.43`	`Tem`	`<3`
`06:17.51`	`Cairenn`	`I 2 you too`
`06:19.39`	`DrDre`	`http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=002&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&viewitem=&item=120054509305&rd=1&rd=1 Scroll to bottom and read his story on how he got his PS3`
`06:21.02`	`Tem`	`:)`
`06:26.45`	`Cairenn`	`that's disgusting, but oh so deserved`
`06:26.52`	`DrDre`	`lol`
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`06:35.27`	`Tem`	`that's awesome`
`06:39.20`	`Gngsk`	`nice story`
`06:40.17`	`Cairenn`	`mind you, I still just don't get it ... a bloody gaming system? not worth what's happening, not even close`
`06:44.26`	`Cairenn`	`anyway, night guys`
`06:45.27`	`Thunder_Child`	`Night Cairenn`
`06:58.43`	`Garoun\|Loupana`	`my god, that Shoutcast mod is too cool`
`06:58.58`	`Garoun\|Loupana`	`of course I'm sure it'll get blocked before it goes live`
`06:59.10`	`Tem`	`?`
`06:59.24`	`Garoun\|Loupana`	`it plays shoutcast internet radio streams directly from wow`
`06:59.37`	`Miravlix`	`Why would they block that?`
`06:59.40`	`Tem`	`oh`
`06:59.41`	`Miravlix`	`It's harmless`
`06:59.48`	`Tem`	`no it's not harmless`
`06:59.52`	`Garoun\|Loupana`	`there was a discussion about it`
`07:00.04`	`Tem`	`you can feed data into a web server using the address you ask for`
`07:00.06`	`Garoun\|Loupana`	`it opens some possible holes`
`07:01.38`	`Miravlix`	`Aah, it creates the url from in game`
`07:02.20`	`Garoun\|Loupana`	`look inside the epoxyTBC that Devla is toying with`
`07:02.38`	`Garoun\|Loupana`	`you'll see what it does, not a whole lot to it but it's great while it lasts`
`07:02.40`	`Miravlix`	`Why?`
`07:03.09`	`Garoun\|Loupana`	`saves me from having to run my winamp in teh background`
`07:03.44`	`Crispix`	`15 grain bread + butter + bee vomit = tasty.`
`07:04.42`	`Industrial`	`Crispix: lol :D`
`07:05.25`	`Garoun\|Loupana`	`mines doesnt' either, but coming from an FPS background the less I have to run to achieve what I want, the better`
`07:05.31`	`Industrial`	`I run firefox irc bittorrent winrars explorers vims rss reader mail reader and other assorted apps all at once without a problem`
`07:05.33`	`Miravlix`	`My G15 keyboard controls winamp`
`07:05.34`	`Industrial`	`daily`
`07:05.50`	`Miravlix`	`I have a dual core, FPs isn't effected.`
`07:06.21`	`Miravlix`	`But the fact that I never know when Windows crash makes me hate to use it for anything`
`07:06.37`	`Miravlix`	`Having to restart WoW is annoying enough`
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`07:09.53`	`AnduinLothar`	`yay multi-core`
`07:10.02`	`Miravlix`	`It was a nice idea to have it in game (even if I never use in game MP3 players when there has been one) I'm sure there somewhere in the world is someone that finds it usefull, but when you can do http://localhost/wow.cgi?stuff/stuff/stuff and have the wow.cgi write new data files the program can access with /reload then it's a problem.`
`07:10.15`	`Miravlix`	`Anduin: Would be more fun if Windows actually could use it...`
`07:10.24`	`AnduinLothar`	`I have a mac`
`07:10.35`	`AnduinLothar`	`that also happens to boot windows :)`
`07:10.38`	`Industrial`	`mac fanboi!`
`07:11.06`	`Miravlix`	`Mac got a clue and made there OS use Uni*x`
`07:11.22`	`Industrial`	`meh; second laptop, snowboarding, second laptop, snowboarding, snowboarding :-)`
`07:11.23`	`Miravlix`	`So there OS can use a computer.`
`07:12.21`	`AnduinLothar`	`multiple in fact.`
`07:12.45`	`AnduinLothar`	`you can set mac os 10.4 to use multiple availible networked computers without any additional software`
`07:12.52`	`Miravlix`	`Really wonder if Vista is a glorified obese screensaver or they got a clue with it.`
`07:13.35`	`Miravlix`	`So far it looks more like a support tool for pushing there DRM technoligy on everyone`
`07:13.52`	`Industrial`	`comes in 7 flavours`
`07:13.56`	`Industrial`	`8, whatever`
`07:13.57`	`Industrial`	`:P`
`07:14.12`	`Miravlix`	`They all taste like chicken though`
`07:14.44`	`Industrial`	`salmonella chicken 50% water`
`07:14.48`	`Industrial`	`:p`
`07:15.46`	`Miravlix`	`Thats prolly more fun than you realice, sin't the new look aqua based?`
`07:16.04`	`Miravlix`	`Or was it mirror?`
`07:16.33`	`Thunder_Child`	`transpaernt based`
`07:16.44`	`Thunder_Child`	`or however you spell it`
`07:17.05`	`Thunder_Child`	`Miravlix, DRM?`
`07:17.09`	`Thunder_Child`	`nvm`
`07:17.11`	`Thunder_Child`	`i remeber`
`07:17.23`	`Thunder_Child`	`remembered*`
`07:17.52`	`Miravlix`	`Digital Rights Management`
`07:18.40`	`Industrial`	`ok`
`07:18.42`	`Industrial`	`im so bored`
`07:18.48`	`Industrial`	`im going to google for yomama jokes`
`07:19.00`	`Industrial`	`google video, even`
`07:20.00`	`DrDre`	`i dont see how u can use the playmusic feature to do anything bad off top of my head, doing a wow.cgi and accessing data would be a good thing not bad, dont see a danger to your game there. would be really useful for DKP managers`
`07:20.57`	`Miravlix`	`I might install Vista in the wain hope it works better than Windows XP, seems some of my software always breaks XP, I can't uninstall software, the installer is dead.`
`07:21.26`	`DrDre`	`wtf you running to break xp? lol`
`07:21.34`	`DrDre`	`ive never had any problems with windows :shrug:`
`07:21.43`	`Miravlix`	`WoW and my hardware drivers`
`07:21.52`	`Miravlix`	`That seems to be all it takes.`
`07:22.05`	`DrDre`	`and it does what? Try using different drivers?`
`07:22.21`	`Industrial`	`Miravlix: that means its crap ass coded software`
`07:22.25`	`DrDre`	`lol`
`07:22.31`	`Miravlix`	`It killed the windows installer so it does nothing when I try to remove things`
`07:22.55`	`DrDre`	`if those drivers are breaking XP`
`07:22.55`	`Industrial`	`or ripped really bad`
`07:22.55`	`DrDre`	`i wouldnt be using them`
`07:22.55`	`Industrial`	`wich is practically the same`
`07:22.58`	`Miravlix`	`Nvidia video driver, Nvidia motherboard drivers, logitech mouse/keyboard drivers`
`07:23.20`	`Industrial`	`logitech i can understand`
`07:23.23`	`Industrial`	`:p`
`07:23.24`	`Miravlix`	`I only use the machine for playing WoW`
`07:23.38`	`Miravlix`	`Nvidia is better supported by Linux`
`07:23.43`	`Industrial`	`im using this install fo +1 year now`
`07:23.52`	`Industrial`	`never had antivirus on it`
`07:23.54`	`DrDre`	`i use nForce4 nvidia mobo driver, used the latest video drivers for a while no problems, Logitech G15 Keyboard driver/software but no mouse drivers beyond windows default, no problem`
`07:23.58`	`Industrial`	`never cleaned the registry`
`07:24.00`	`Miravlix`	`I can use the same machine for 10 years with Linux`
`07:24.04`	`Industrial`	`and it still boots fast`
`07:24.09`	`Miravlix`	`But with Windows it will last a few months`
`07:24.19`	`Industrial`	`1 year and running`
`07:24.33`	`Miravlix`	`So after I again have to upgrade to 2 8800 SLI cards or some sutch crap`
`07:24.41`	`Miravlix`	`The old machine is converted to a Linux machine`
`07:24.55`	`Industrial`	`2 8800 SLI? you have too much monies`
`07:25.02`	`DrDre`	`hope u got some good ass cooling for 2 8800 lol`
`07:25.09`	`DrDre`	`i read they idle at 59C >_>`
`07:25.14`	`Industrial`	`I have 1 8700gt`
`07:25.21`	`Industrial`	`er, 7900`
`07:25.25`	`DrDre`	`same`
`07:25.30`	`Industrial`	`ok time for ed making too much mistakes`
`07:25.32`	`DrDre`	`mine idles round 48C, 54C with wow`
`07:25.45`	`Industrial`	`DrDre: how do you measure/ does MBM see it`
`07:25.54`	`DrDre`	`nvMonitor`
`07:25.57`	`Industrial`	`k`
`07:25.59`	`Miravlix`	`7900GTX and AMD 4800+ DualCore, so it will be a year or so before I upgrade`
`07:26.05`	`DrDre`	`comes with nTune i think`
`07:26.08`	`Miravlix`	`With any luck WoW for Linux will be out by then`
`07:26.13`	`DrDre`	`or was it the vid drivers it came with`
`07:26.20`	`Industrial`	`Miravlix: no prolly never`
`07:26.23`	`DrDre`	`same mira`
`07:26.25`	`Industrial`	`wow for linux works fine now`
`07:26.27`	`Industrial`	`with wine`
`07:26.33`	`Industrial`	`afaik`
`07:26.36`	`DrDre`	`wel 4600+* for me`
`07:26.37`	`Miravlix`	`Fine isn't good enough. :)`
`07:26.50`	`Industrial`	`fone is better fps then in windows`
`07:27.07`	`Industrial`	`fine MEANS good enough :P`
`07:27.08`	`Industrial`	`meh nn`
`07:27.10`	`DrDre`	`i jus spent 750 upgrading, but i still need 1gbmore of ram and a SATA HDD`
`07:27.32`	`Miravlix`	`I got the money for mutiple machines, so I've gotten lazy I don't even want to bother with trying.`
`07:27.41`	`DrDre`	`./cry if newegg will get my RMA ram and send me the 1gb i ordered ; ;`
`07:27.48`	`DrDre`	`stick arrived DOA :(`
`07:28.07`	`DrDre`	`Want to buy me 1gb of ram then Miravlix: :P`
`07:28.08`	`Miravlix`	`And there is always something that wont run`
`07:28.18`	`Miravlix`	`Does WoW under linux patch?`
`07:28.30`	`DrDre`	`since so many ppl play linux, id say so?`
`07:28.36`	`Miravlix`	`I think that used to be a problem`
`07:28.50`	`DrDre`	`i know alot of people play under wine`
`07:29.19`	`Miravlix`	`Didn't they all get banned because WoW's intrusion system detected Linux as a hack?`
`07:30.05`	`Tain`	`No`
`07:30.11`	`Miravlix`	`Didn't read the news article too closely, but I think there was an issue within the last month of massive Linux banning`
`07:30.32`	`Tain`	`That was a story made up by one person who got banned trying to stay they did it because of Linux.`
`07:31.40`	`Miravlix`	`Heh, the usuall story...`
`07:31.50`	`DrDre`	`how the hell do you edit a radio buttons text in flash8`
`07:34.45`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`So the Wii went on sale today?`
`07:36.04`	`Tain`	`No idea. I won't bother looking until next year sometime.`
`07:37.37`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`I won't bother at all. I'll probably eventually get an Xbox 360, but I doubt I'd get a PS3 or Wii any time soon`
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`07:43.06`	`ckknight`	`hey all`
`07:43.10`	`ckknight`	`how's everyone doing?`
`07:44.17`	`Miravlix`	`Just Peechy`
`07:44.27`	`ckknight`	`pretty sure that's Peachy`
`07:44.33`	`ckknight`	`mmm... peaches`
`07:44.35`	`Miravlix`	`My beta server is down so I'm looking at my cat sleeping in my bed with all four paws in the air`
`07:44.49`	`ckknight`	`maybe it's dead?`
`07:44.54`	`zenzelezz`	`sounds like my cat Miravlix`
`07:45.08`	`Miravlix`	`Your cat sleeps in my bed too????!??!?`
`07:45.18`	`zenzelezz`	`yes`
`07:45.56`	`zenzelezz`	`took a while to train her to do it, but less hair in it now`
`07:49.59`	`thr`	`hmm, meh it's been so long since i leveld where should I go to grind/quest at 46ish? ;< forgotten`
`07:50.02`	`thr`	`feralas? tanaris?`
`07:50.23`	`Miravlix`	`Read James Leveling guide`
`07:50.54`	`thr`	`well ye i would but the 46-level thingies i've already done ;P`
`07:51.03`	`thr`	`but on lvl44 or 45`
`07:51.12`	`Miravlix`	`http://www.wow-pro.com/node/599`
`07:51.42`	`Miravlix`	`hmm, you done everything in his guide without leveling?`
`07:53.52`	`thr`	`no`
`07:54.04`	`thr`	`i did the 46 and 47 stuff earlier without following the guide`
`07:54.07`	`thr`	`at like lvl44 or something`
`08:03.40`	`Kirkburn`	`Heh: "Mages are really the Innkeeper class, supplying 4 portal locations and free food, whilst Warlocks are the Mage Hero class" :)`
`08:04.11`	`Kirkburn`	`See Blizz were sneaky and put one of the hero classes in at launch :P`
`08:05.01`	`Thunder_Child`	`thats a straight pull from d&d`
`08:05.17`	`Thunder_Child`	`Warlocks are a prc`
`08:06.07`	`zenzelezz`	`prc?`
`08:06.29`	`Thunder_Child`	`prestige class`
`08:07.57`	`Kirkburn`	`Here lieth Warlock Kirkburn, struck down young by an errant frostbolt.`
`08:08.00`	`Garoun\|Loupana`	`I see they enabled flying mounts`
`08:08.40`	`Thunder_Child`	`you know, i just recived and completed a quest while dead`
`08:09.18`	`Kirkburn`	`lol, how?`
`08:09.32`	`Kirkburn`	`Garoun\|Loupana, yes indeed, but they spawn the seller infrequently`
`08:09.42`	`Thunder_Child`	`i dont know, it's the person for attunement for the core`
`08:10.08`	`Kirkburn`	`When I say 'they' I mean Tigole`
`08:10.32`	`Garoun\|Loupana`	`funny seeing those giant gold numbers to buy them :P`
`08:10.44`	`Kirkburn`	`Slightly annoying that the standard mount is only 160% :/`
`08:11.00`	`Garoun\|Loupana`	`more annoying that they are both lvl 70 requirement :P`
`08:11.25`	`Kirkburn`	`Yeah, just cost difference`
`08:11.26`	`Garoun\|Loupana`	`slow one should be at 68 and epic at 70`
`08:11.52`	`Kirkburn`	`Something sounds so wrong about:`
`08:11.54`	`Kirkburn`	`60% ground / 60% flying speed mount 100g (requires 225 riding skill)`
`08:12.00`	`Kirkburn`	`100% ground/ 280% flying speed mount 200g (requires 300 riding skill)`
`08:12.10`	`Kirkburn`	`I mean, c'mon`
`08:12.19`	`Kirkburn`	`280%!?`
`08:12.32`	`Mery`	`60% ground is 10g? 100% ground is 100g?`
`08:12.37`	`Kirkburn`	`(I have a feeling it may mean 180%)`
`08:12.45`	`Kirkburn`	`For the mount alone`
`08:13.06`	`Kirkburn`	`Oh right, yeah, think so`
`08:13.24`	`Mery`	`but yeah 180% increase is more likly`
`08:13.49`	`Kirkburn`	`But I still don't see the reason for the downgrade between epic mount and flying mount`
`08:14.11`	`cncfanatics`	`if u dont got epic mount maybe ?`
`08:14.25`	`Kirkburn`	`You'd still have to pay for the training`
`08:14.42`	`Kirkburn`	`So basically you'd only save 100g by passing on the epic mount`
`08:16.13`	`Garoun\|Loupana`	`hehe my uber healing britches :)`
`08:16.24`	`Kirkburn`	`6000g, that's what you'll need at 70 for the epic flying mount (minus 600g for honoured, probably)`
`08:17.11`	`Garoun\|Loupana`	`+74 healing, 4m/5`
`08:17.27`	`Kirkburn`	`My housemate was quite disturbed earlier to find a Stormrage near-equivalent leggings in HFC yesterday :/ In fact, if he'd filled the sockets and enchanted it like his leggings, it would have been better`
`08:18.20`	`Kirkburn`	`These would have had +54 healing 6m/5 without the epic enchant =)`
`08:18.42`	`Garoun\|Loupana`	`hehe, got them off of the boss in Ramparts`
`08:18.59`	`Garoun\|Loupana`	`not bad for blues: also has 16sta, 25int, 12 spi`
`08:20.10`	`Kirkburn`	`Wait, are these the same item!?`
`08:20.17`	`Kirkburn`	`I have a feeling they are`
`08:20.26`	`Kirkburn`	`2 red sockets, 1 yellow?`
`08:20.28`	`Garoun\|Loupana`	`Lifegiver Britches`
`08:20.31`	`Garoun\|Loupana`	`1red 2 blue`
`08:20.42`	`Garoun\|Loupana`	`2m/5 socket bonus`
`08:20.42`	`Kirkburn`	`Oooh, slightly different`
`08:20.52`	`Kirkburn`	`This was the equivalent for Blood Furnace`
`08:20.58`	`Garoun\|Loupana`	`ah ok`
`08:21.08`	`Garoun\|Loupana`	`haven't done furnace yet, but I loved ramparts`
`08:21.11`	`Garoun\|Loupana`	`short and fun`
`08:22.05`	`Kirkburn`	`Cool`
`08:22.40`	`Garoun\|Loupana`	`I ended up bear tanking it because the MT died aLOT`
`08:23.00`	`Kirkburn`	`Y'know, I think Blizz are dealing with it quite intelligently - even though raiders will be pissed that such good items appear so quickly, I think many forget that at that time they will be levelling themselves and thus be able to finish Naxx without trouble`
`08:23.19`	`Kirkburn`	`Well "without trouble"`
`08:23.28`	`Kirkburn`	`Garoun\|Loupana, worrying :/`
`08:23.40`	`thr`	`can anyone confirm the fact that druids will get weapon procs in forms in the next patch?`
`08:23.46`	`Garoun\|Loupana`	`dunno`
`08:23.51`	`Garoun\|Loupana`	`they added it but then removed it`
`08:23.54`	`thr`	`;(`
`08:24.14`	`Garoun\|Loupana`	`and added our ability to pull mobs without doing anything but targeting them and performing an action :x`
`08:24.22`	`thr`	`so my hand of edward the odd will be useless on my drood ;( have to use it on my paly then`
`08:25.58`	`Garoun\|Loupana`	`hell, even if you just have MC or BWL gear, leveling will be a cake walk for raiders`
`08:26.21`	`thr`	`yes true`
`08:26.49`	`thr`	`i mean as 17 Arc / 34 Frost on my mage main i can kill like 20 lvl60 mobs at the same time ;<`
`08:27.56`	`thr`	`btw, anyone that can recomend any good xp/hour meter?`
`08:28.52`	`Kirkburn`	`Garoun\|Loupana, unless you're a fully raiding spec druid healer who refuses to try being feral for once in his life glances over at the other side of his house`
`08:29.09`	`Garoun\|Loupana`	`hmm there seems to be a quest hole in the BE leveling curve`
`08:29.18`	`Kirkburn`	`When?`
`08:29.23`	`Garoun\|Loupana`	`6-8`
`08:29.38`	`Kirkburn`	`Ah, go visit the town?`
`08:29.42`	`thr`	`Garoun\|Loupana: not true ;P`
`08:29.55`	`thr`	`you just need to move about a bit more`
`08:30.02`	`Kirkburn`	`I didn't really notice it myself, though I do remember being unsure where to go`
`08:30.11`	`Garoun\|Loupana`	`I've covered clear to teh scar and west tower`
`08:30.22`	`thr`	`i was lvl9 by then ;>`
`08:30.34`	`Garoun\|Loupana`	`once you do those 2 it kinda stops and doesn't lead you to the next set that well`
`08:30.35`	`thr`	`or was it 8? ;>`
`08:31.00`	`Garoun\|Loupana`	`when I'm testing I try to pretend i'm new :)`
`08:31.08`	`Kirkburn`	`mmm, 8:30 am, time for some pizza`
`08:31.25`	`Garoun\|Loupana`	`a new person would be confused at that point because it doesn't really point you in a direction`
`08:31.38`	`thr`	`then report it :)`
`08:32.06`	`Kirkburn`	`Have they fixed that plaque yet in the BE starting area!?`
`08:32.45`	`Kirkburn`	`Method I used: jump and click like crazy`
`08:33.28`	`Garoun\|Loupana`	`yeah, that's fixed`
`08:33.35`	`Garoun\|Loupana`	`I LOVE the auctioneers in silvermoon`
`08:34.02`	`Garoun\|Loupana`	`nice and high in the air :)`
`08:35.11`	`Miravlix`	`We can't use pots unless we are flying`
`08:35.40`	`Miravlix`	`Thats the nice bug of the day at the moment, but there is a lot of others`
`08:35.55`	`Miravlix`	`Like mobs thats moving like they are stealthed, but is visible`
`08:36.37`	`DrDre`	`anyone good with flash?`
`08:36.42`	`AnduinLothar`	`I <3 being able to run 2 clients at 20+ fps... makes party mod testing soooo much easier`
`08:36.49`	`Garoun\|Loupana`	`I'm going to come to HATE warp lizards`
`08:37.03`	`Kirkburn`	`heh`
`08:37.09`	`Kirkburn`	`I know EXACTLY what you mean`
`08:37.16`	`Kirkburn`	`Oh, clear spot, I'll just sit down`
`08:37.25`	`Kirkburn`	`Oh no crap, 3 warp hunters!`
`08:37.59`	`AnduinLothar`	`lol, 70fps on the from wow, 25fps on the back wow :D`
`08:38.33`	`Garoun\|Loupana`	`I deserved what I got :P`
`08:38.42`	`Garoun\|Loupana`	`I ws running around by Cosmowatch at level 60`
`08:40.26`	`Garoun\|Loupana`	`my druid has every flight path from honorhold to Tempest Keep, still need to get Nagrand`
`08:43.15`	`Garoun\|Loupana`	`the only thing I kinda miss about DAOC is concentration based buffs`
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`08:51.11`	`Crispix_`	`Someone mind scrolling up and telling me what my away message said?`
`08:51.19`	`Crispix_`	`My net connection blipped out. o.O`
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`09:22.25`	`Mike-N-Go`	`I got coned!`
`09:22.38`	`Mike-N-Go`	`I bought a Northern hammer of the wind for 70G`
`09:22.54`	`SP\|Sorren`	`:<`
`09:23.00`	`Mike-N-Go`	`It was advertised as Northern hammer of the wind w/crusader.`
`09:23.29`	`Mike-N-Go`	`What all should I do, he is unwilling to refund, and he know that this is true.`
`09:23.42`	`Mike-N-Go`	`I took all the screen shots possible.`
`09:24.00`	`Mike-N-Go`	`I am going to include a link to them in my GM submitted repport.`
`09:24.25`	`Mike-N-Go`	`Is there anything else I can do, other then anti-advertise for this crook?`
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`09:24.51`	`Thunder_Child`	`umm...in the end wasnt it your fault for not paying attention?`
`09:25.27`	`Mike-N-Go`	`Yes, but, he sold something different then he advertised, and it was intentional.`
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`09:29.41`	`Mike-N-Go`	`Anyone have any suggestions?`
`09:30.49`	`haste`	`your fault, nothing will be done`
`09:30.51`	`Gngsk`	`don't make the same mistake again`
`09:36.22`	`Mike-N-Go`	`Thankfully, I have a few 100G`
`09:36.24`	`Miravlix`	`that I have money and the criminal has a gun and no money is not my freaking fault`
`09:36.49`	`Miravlix`	`You can't blame the victum for the crime.`
`09:37.01`	`Mike-N-Go`	`But I just lost a donation for one of my guildies mounts...`
`09:37.07`	`Mike-N-Go`	`I was really into that.`
`09:43.53`	`SP\|Sorren`	`Miravlix: That's not exactly the same thing.`
`09:45.32`	`Mike-N-Go`	`SP\|Sorren: In this case, the criminal has a hammer.`
`09:45.56`	`SP\|Sorren`	`that's not really true either ;P`
`09:46.04`	`SP\|Sorren`	`anyway, it doesn't matter`
`09:46.09`	`SP\|Sorren`	`i'm just splitting hairs.`
`09:46.21`	`Mike-N-Go`	`He had 2, one for the links and one regular one.`
`09:46.37`	`haste`	`you don't need to have two`
`09:46.45`	`haste`	`you can modify the itemlink and add the crusader enchant :3`
`09:47.39`	`Mike-N-Go`	`item:810:0:0`
`09:47.44`	`Miravlix`	`If you have two an addons you can do some funky stuff in the trade window so the link will show as the wrong one and only in the last second switch to the fake`
`09:47.44`	`Mike-N-Go`	`Where would it go on there?`
`09:47.48`	`SP\|Sorren`	`don't enchants show up on the trade screen?`
`09:47.52`	`Thunder_Child`	`woot, Tain's quote of the daey (18th) "I draw the line at munching a bloody carpet."`
`09:48.00`	`Thunder_Child`	`s/daey/day/`
`09:48.01`	`SP\|Sorren`	`one of those numbers is the enchant`
`09:48.10`	`Mike-N-Go`	`itemID:810:3:0 ?`
`09:48.16`	`Mike-N-Go`	`or itemID:810:0:3 ?`
`09:48.19`	`SP\|Sorren`	`something like that`
`09:50.38`	`Mike-N-Go`	`What is this junk you speak of?`
`09:50.54`	`Mike-N-Go`	`Con it so it appears that it has a chat on it?`
`09:51.59`	`SP\|Sorren`	`well, modifying item links is easy enough`
`09:52.09`	`SP\|Sorren`	`im not sure i've heard aobut what Miravlix is talking about though`
`10:03.37`	`Miravlix`	`You can drop the real items into the trade`
`10:03.58`	`Miravlix`	`Then while the user enters money drop the other item`
`10:04.23`	`Miravlix`	`You can't tell from the other end it has been switched, use identical graphics icon items`
`10:04.51`	`Mike-N-Go`	`What I am going to write up is something that checks what the other person has in the trade window, and put the auctioneer value of it on the screen.`
`10:04.55`	`Miravlix`	`It's a common thing with some rogue daggers that looks the same as store bought stuff`
`10:05.53`	`Miravlix`	`The tooltip changes, but you aren't told/warned about it, so it's pretty easy to miss`
`10:08.06`	`Mike-N-Go`	`Wow, this hotel has like 300 ms ping, and horid download, but 300 KBs upload :o`
`10:12.10`	`Miravlix`	`That would be strange, hotels don't normaly use ADSL technoligy but t1's`
`10:12.21`	`Miravlix`	`So up/down is same bandwith`
`10:13.25`	`Miravlix`	`Offcourse if it's some cheap hotel they might have crappy ADSL`
`10:14.00`	`Miravlix`	`t1 technoligy compared to even faster ADSL is way better at handling loads.`
`10:14.28`	`Miravlix`	`3 downloads and my home adsl dies, 100 company users and the t1 is all happy with little issues`
`10:17.27`	`Crispix_`	`Anyone here have a non-free email I could use to sign up for a forum that doesn't allow free emails?`
`10:17.36`	`Crispix_`	`(Maybe create me an account or something on your server?)`
`10:17.53`	`axxo`	`your ISP gives you an email addy`
`10:17.54`	`axxo`	`use it`
`10:18.18`	`Crispix_`	`axxo I don't have an ISP, my father has a business line cable modem, I leech off that`
`10:18.32`	`Crispix_`	`it doesn't have custom emails`
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`10:19.32`	`Mike-N-Go`	`This makes me want to write an addon that helps me know the difference in worth between the 2 players trade windows slots!`
`10:19.39`	`mjc`	`?`
`10:19.48`	`mjc`	`oh`
`10:19.52`	`Mike-N-Go`	`mjc: I got conned`
`10:19.53`	`Crispix_`	`so.. can anyone help me with my lil problem?`
`10:19.57`	`Miravlix`	`Mike: Blizzard should extend the trade window to highlight the item when it changes`
`10:20.35`	`mjc`	`Mike-N-Go: wowecon, auctioneer, etc. plugin shouldn't be hard`
`10:20.39`	`Mike-N-Go`	`Or, have the enchant aviable even if not tool-tiped.`
`10:20.40`	`Miravlix`	`Mouse over and the highlighting goes away`
`10:21.09`	`Mike-N-Go`	`mjc: I will try to do this after I learn the how.`
`10:21.12`	`Miravlix`	`Until the item is changed again so loosers has a visual queue for scams`
`10:21.34`	`Miravlix`	`s/queue/que/`
`10:21.43`	`mjc`	`cue`
`10:23.03`	`Mike-N-Go`	`clue?`
`10:23.57`	`mjc`	`no, 'visual cue'`
`10:23.59`	`Miravlix`	`I'm not really awake. :p I'm just up because in 24 hours I need to be awake at this hour when all the gigabit equipment I ordered arrive.`
`10:24.20`	`mjc`	`just trying to help...`
`10:24.31`	`Mike-N-Go`	`:P`
`10:24.39`	`Mike-N-Go`	`Miravlixz: :P`
`10:24.53`	`Mike-N-Go`	`Sure, mjc, your input is apperated.`
`10:26.42`	`Mike-N-Go`	`So, can you guys throw me ideas on how to prevent this type of fraud?`
`10:26.49`	`Miravlix`	`Just put on a miniskirt and do the hula hula and I'll show you input. Ugh to much Belf playing`
`10:28.05`	`Mike-N-Go`	`I thought about an addon that would show the estimated value difference between both sides of the trading window via auctioneer prices, and show if the trade is a + or - favor.`
`10:29.00`	`axxo`	`get the other side the clickt rade first`
`10:29.03`	`axxo`	`check whats in it`
`10:29.05`	`axxo`	`click trade`
`10:29.38`	`Miravlix`	`Problem is we are the one entering gold?`
`10:30.23`	`mjc`	`you do not hve to click trade after you enter gold.`
`10:30.28`	`Miravlix`	`The system is made for the gold guy to click first`
`10:30.35`	`mjc`	`type it in and they see it, but you do not have to click trade.`
`10:30.59`	`mjc`	`the system is fine if the user is paying attention at all.`
`10:31.12`	`Miravlix`	`I don't agre`
`10:31.27`	`Mike-N-Go`	`Huh?>`
`10:31.31`	`Miravlix`	`It's too easy to swap the item without giving any visual cues.`
`10:31.46`	`mjc`	`it isn't green anymore when you swap items.`
`10:32.33`	`Miravlix`	`It does clear accept if things change`
`10:32.43`	`mjc`	`that's what I meant.`
`10:32.43`	`Miravlix`	`But if you time it right before the accept is hit...`
`10:33.00`	`mjc`	`it clears both accepts`
`10:33.44`	`Miravlix`	`You open the trade, the other guy examines the item and starts entering gold, you use a tool to quick swap to a gray item, you both click accept`
`10:34.19`	`Miravlix`	`Or the seller claims he has a bad connection or in other ways confuses.`
`10:34.44`	`mjc`	`that's still a matter of examining things before you hit accept, as a buyer`
`10:35.05`	`Miravlix`	`Problem is your mouse can't be in two places at once`
`10:35.23`	`mjc`	`wait til the seller clicks accept, then check the item.`
`10:35.29`	`Miravlix`	`There will always be a moment where a scammer can get lucky and get the grey item in`
`10:35.32`	`mjc`	`then you click accept.`
`10:35.35`	`mjc`	`there is no moment.`
`10:36.03`	`mjc`	`still user error.`
`10:36.12`	`Miravlix`	`But now your creating a 10 page guide line document for safe trading`
`10:36.16`	`Miravlix`	`It's a freaking game`
`10:36.18`	`mjc`	`nope.`
`10:36.27`	`Miravlix`	`Not the Knox access gateway`
`10:36.46`	`axxo`	`you check the other guys guild, see if its respected -- victory`
`10:36.49`	`mjc`	`the interface is intuitive if the user pays any attention at all before buying something.`
`10:36.59`	`Miravlix`	`It's possible to create a interface that removes the ability to cheat`
`10:37.20`	`mjc`	`2.0 blocks addons ability to trade anyways.`
`10:38.07`	`Miravlix`	`Thats a step in the right direction, but sitll, I'll keep to my auction house only trading policy, because even knowing all I do I can't guarentee they can't cheat`
`10:38.36`	`mjc`	`still can't guarantee people don't cheat in the AH`
`10:38.41`	`mjc`	`see charged items until 2.0`
`10:39.05`	`mjc`	`see careful buyout pricing`
`10:39.12`	`Miravlix`	`I can see the item and it's tooltip and they can't change that while I click buy`
`10:39.17`	`mjc`	`see auction mod manipulation`
`10:39.35`	`mjc`	`Miravlix: briliant wizard oil, sold w/ 1 charge = same price as sold with 5 charges`
`10:40.03`	`Mike-N-Go`	`Solution: PickUpContainerItem() and ClickTradeButton()`
`10:40.40`	`Miravlix`	`Yes, charged items is a problem, but then I don't have the gold to buy things like that anyway`
`10:41.07`	`Mike-N-Go`	`Miravlix: 10 page guide... It's a freaking game`
`10:41.09`	`Mike-N-Go`	`Nice!`
`10:41.35`	`Miravlix`	`1: Only trade though Auctionhouse`
`10:41.45`	`Miravlix`	`2: Don'tbuy items with charges.`
`10:41.55`	`Mike-N-Go`	`3: Don't trade at all.`
`10:41.55`	`Miravlix`	`Thats not even considered 1 page. :p`
`10:42.42`	`Miravlix`	`But as I said the interface should be improved to remove even these 2 rules`
`10:44.54`	`mjc`	`man, AHing my way up the economic scale = suck`
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`10:45.35`	`Miravlix`	`Moving you main to the beta server and forgetting you have no money on him = suck`
`10:46.02`	`mjc`	`re-move it`
`10:46.26`	`Miravlix`	`Only have 4 tries and had other chars I wanted to move and experiment with`
`10:46.29`	`mjc`	`that said I have 3s now and am attempting to get up to the 5,000ish g I have on the other server`
`10:46.30`	`mjc`	`:P`
`10:46.56`	`Mike-N-Go`	`Does the transfer 'move' or copy them over?`
`10:47.02`	`Miravlix`	`copy`
`10:47.09`	`Mike-N-Go`	`<PROTECTED>`
`10:47.23`	`Miravlix`	`If you have a main with 1000 gold you could copy it 4 times to get full dupes of everything x 4`
`10:48.00`	`mjc`	`then mail gold back to alt on another account and get more :P`
`10:49.02`	`Miravlix`	`I just spend aorund 200 gold on getting Commander on my main then didn't play for a while, so he got transfered with 10 gold.`
`10:49.25`	`axxo`	`hmm, all my enchants are gone on ptr copy`
`10:49.33`	`mjc`	`blizzard needs to be a little more economist friendly`
`10:49.36`	`mjc`	`fucking christ`
`10:50.02`	`Mike-N-Go`	`mjc: Must you use slander of that sort?`
`10:50.03`	`Miravlix`	`Waist of time? They don't use the ears anyway`
`10:50.53`	`Miravlix`	`They had to get there ears surgically removed because of all the cash register chiming`
`10:51.20`	`mjc`	`hahah`
`10:51.33`	`mjc`	`RIP Milton Friedman, btw.`
`10:51.58`	`Miravlix`	`Who is Milton Friedman?`
`10:52.08`	`mjc`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_Friedman`
`10:52.23`	`Miravlix`	`Lies, true lies, Wikipedia`
`10:53.44`	`mjc`	`right.`
`10:55.20`	`Miravlix`	`He is dead, he can't sue.`
`11:03.03`	`Mike-N-Go`	`Yupers`
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`12:19.27`	`yacoob`	`Hi there.`
`12:21.06`	`Mery`	`hi`
`12:21.34`	`yacoob`	`can anyone tell me why alt+key (not alt+click) selfcast in bongos isn't working?`
`12:22.42`	`Mery`	`uh well I can't ;-( and at this time not many are active in this channel usually`
`12:23.50`	`yacoob`	`And Tuller isn't here...`
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`13:22.56`	`Miravlix`	`He knew how to play, he beat the game with his brains`
`13:23.15`	`Miravlix`	`Now he need to go to the local gym and work on trianing his reflexes`
`13:23.30`	`Miravlix`	`There is nothing to learn here, it's pure brawn`
`13:24.04`	`Miravlix`	`Err woops wrong window I think`
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`13:35.51`	`Mikma`	`yes`
`13:36.05`	`cncfanatics`	`yay`
`13:40.11`	`cncfanatics`	`dreamchat is tbc ? -.-`
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`13:54.29`	`Kaso`	`Full screen glow be the problem i see`
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`14:51.49`	`Vallerius_work`	`so i just got back from line-camping for a wii. didn't get one :(`
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`16:52.12`	`thr`	`how do i extract the item level of an item?`
`16:52.58`	`Inside`	`I think you have to calculate it yourself.`
`16:53.19`	`thr`	`;(`
`16:53.49`	`Inside`	`wait, like required level to wear or the item level.. like it's um.. effective level >_>`
`16:54.25`	`thr`	`I want the item level of an item`
`16:54.33`	`thr`	`which basicly contorls the items stats, etc.`
`16:55.02`	`Inside`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Formulas:Item_Values`
`16:55.28`	`Inside`	`I bet someone has written a library to calculate all that`
`16:55.34`	`thr`	`ye I so hope ;<`
`16:56.31`	`Inside`	`lul >_> I think I got that wrong.`
`17:05.59`	`JoshBork1`	`i gotta say, i can't stand the new gryphen sounds`
`17:08.09`	`Inside`	`KWEH`
`17:08.16`	`thr`	`hmm does the Darkmoon trinkets that proc heal / natur dmg work in cat/bear form?`
`17:10.23`	`grimman\|`	`Well... usable items supposedly work in forms, so... a definite maybe!`
`17:10.24`	`grimman\|`	`;)`
`17:15.43`	`thr`	`meh so I realy have to calculate the item level myself?`
`17:15.49`	`thr`	`I mean how do thottbot.com get the itemlevel?`
`17:16.11`	`thr`	`since they've been showing the itemlevel way before that shaman figured out the formula`
`17:17.14`	`Inside`	`I have no idea, the API doesn't say anything about it c_c`
`17:17.23`	`thr`	`=/`
`17:17.32`	`Inside`	`GetItemInfo() just seems to return the min level`
`17:18.13`	`thr`	`ye`
`17:20.31`	`thr`	`There has to be someone here that knows how to get the item level from an item`
`17:21.48`	`Inside`	`What do you need it for?`
`17:22.31`	`thr`	`I`
`17:22.43`	`thr`	`'m trying to create an addon that sums upp your total itemlevel for all your gear`
`17:22.50`	`thr`	`to show how "good" the gear is basicly.`
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`17:27.43`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`#603-634 just submitted.`
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`17:31.08`	`cladhaire`	`thanks Cairenn`
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`18:01.37`	`Industrial`	`you know how someone else yawns and you have to?`
`18:01.43`	`Industrial`	`i did /yawn and it made me`
`18:01.44`	`Industrial`	`:\|`
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`18:07.13`	`Mike-N-Go`	`My hotel just caught on fire ()–ø`
`18:07.32`	`Mike-N-Go`	`BUt I am outside now.`
`18:09.58`	`haste`	`sounds like fun`
`18:14.29`	`Tem`	`It just occured to me...`
`18:14.35`	`Tem`	`Heal range is 40 yards`
`18:14.46`	`Tem`	`Why the hell do healers get feared on nef?`
`18:15.00`	`Tem`	`as a mage, I can stand out of fear range with my 35 yard spells`
`18:15.43`	`Tem`	`I guess I can understand the person responsible for fear ward getting feared since it's got a shorter range`
`18:15.47`	`axxo`	`40 with or without talents`
`18:16.29`	`Tem`	`I don't think there are talents to increase your heal range`
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`18:17.12`	`Tem`	`all of my level 29 druid's heals have a 40yd range with all of his talents in feral`
`18:17.23`	`nevcairiel`	`40 is default, you cannot increase that`
`18:17.48`	`nevcairiel`	`and i dont know why people get feared`
`18:18.01`	`nevcairiel`	`i get feared for being a druid and dispelling the curse`
`18:18.03`	`nevcairiel`	`:)`
`18:18.12`	`nevcairiel`	`decurse range is only 30`
`18:20.01`	`ckknight`	`hey all`
`18:25.28`	`Garoun\|Loupana`	`nice bug with teh minor healing postions :/`
`18:25.32`	`Garoun\|Loupana`	`potions even`
`18:27.42`	`axxo`	`explain`
`18:27.54`	`Garoun\|Loupana`	`you can't use Minor Healing potions`
`18:28.00`	`Garoun\|Loupana`	`they say "Must be in Flight Form"`
`18:28.11`	`Garoun\|Loupana`	`of course I died because I didn't know that bug existed :P`
`18:29.28`	`Tem`	`I just watched a video of a guild killing nef`
`18:29.31`	`Tem`	`and I'm sorty annoyed`
`18:29.40`	`Tem`	`they misspelled his name`
`18:29.43`	`Tem`	`twice`
`18:29.49`	`Tem`	`in two different ways`
`18:29.55`	`zenzelezz`	`"Nefarion"?`
`18:30.02`	`Tem`	`that's wrong`
`18:30.07`	`zenzelezz`	`yes, I know`
`18:30.15`	`zenzelezz`	`but I see that semi-often`
`18:30.18`	`zenzelezz`	`also "Flamegore"`
`18:30.19`	`Tem`	`and yes, that's one of the ways they spelled it`
`18:30.44`	`Tem`	`the other was "Lord Vector Neferius"`
`18:30.49`	`Cide`	`hahaha`
`18:31.52`	`Cide`	`he can be resolved into various tier 2 chestpieces, I suppose`
`18:32.18`	`Cide`	`I like seeing "Valestras" though`
`18:33.02`	`zenzelezz`	`I'm more forgiving for misspelling Vaelastrasz than I am about Nefarian`
`18:33.53`	`Industrial`	`is there a lua pad thingy yet for tbc?`
`18:34.15`	`Cide`	`true, but I've seen pretty much every boss' name misspelt once or twice`
`18:37.21`	`Tem`	`Industrial, TinyPad`
`18:38.05`	`Industrial`	`k`
`18:42.48`	ag`	`sorry Tem, I tried reading through my logs to see if you answered the question earlier, but where could I get information on the shift modifier key bug? I tried reading through the wow forums, but I couldn't find anything`
`18:43.05`	`Tem`	`it's a bug in the engine somewhere`
`18:43.11`	`Tem`	`(shift anyway)`
`18:43.14`	ag`	`yeah`
`18:43.17`	`Tem`	`control is my fault`
`18:43.24`	`Tem`	`but alt should work fine`
`18:44.00`	ag`	`you said that it's a known bug, how do you know that blizzard knows about it? I can't find a place where slouken acknowledges is`
`18:44.38`	ag`	`*it`
`18:45.21`	ag`	`it's true that alt works and that shift doesn't`
`18:46.57`	`Tem`	`he knows about it`
`18:47.40`	ag`	`goodie... Just couldn't find a quote anywhere, tried to look for it on bluetracker :)`
`18:47.53`	ag`	`can I ask how you know? wink wink`
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`19:01.47`	`Tem`	`I think it was posted on the beta forums`
`19:06.11`	`Garoun\|Loupana`	`I popsted the bug`
`19:06.16`	`Garoun\|Loupana`	`on Friday night`
`19:06.35`	`Garoun\|Loupana`	`and slouken said it was fixed on the PTR`
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`19:06.41`	`Garoun\|Loupana`	`but hasn't been pushed to Beta yet`
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`19:18.07`	`Kirkburn`	`Tem, I tell you what did annoy me - when the trivia bot misspelt Alexstrasza as Alexstraza - thus destroying the point of it :P`
`19:19.00`	`Tem`	`Garoun\|Loupana, that was wrt to the IsCtrlDown`
`19:19.11`	`Tem`	`Kirkburn, how does the destroy the point?`
`19:19.13`	`Garoun\|Loupana`	`shift has the same problem`
`19:19.18`	`Tem`	`no it doesn't`
`19:19.19`	`Garoun\|Loupana`	`it just doesnt' report an error`
`19:19.26`	`Garoun\|Loupana`	`well similar problem :P`
`19:19.31`	`Tem`	`not similar at all`
`19:19.38`	`Tem`	`not remotely close`
`19:19.48`	`Garoun\|Loupana`	`it picks up skills off your bar, rather then letting an action pass through`
`19:19.58`	`Tem`	`...`
`19:20.00`	`Tem`	`that's not a bug`
`19:20.16`	`Garoun\|Loupana`	`it is when it does it with mouse click and shift-keybind :P`
`19:20.48`	`Tem`	`the problem with control is I didn't look up the function name and used "IsCtrlKeyDown" when the proper name is "IsControlKeyDown"`
`19:20.52`	`Garoun\|Loupana`	`if you do [modifier:shift] and have it set to 1, and hit shift-1 it doesnt' do anything`
`19:20.55`	`Tem`	`the problem with shift is some kind of internal error`
`19:21.16`	`Garoun\|Loupana`	`ok, so semantics :) I was referring to it as a bug in the general since`
`19:21.24`	`Garoun\|Loupana`	`aka "doesn't work as intended" :P`
`19:23.15`	ag`	`Tem: you're the one writing some of the secure header code? :)`
`19:23.33`	`Tem`	`I wrote the macro parser`
`19:24.07`	ag`	`cool`
`19:24.10`	`Tem`	`and various bits elsewhere`
`19:24.22`	`Tem`	`Iriel's the one writing lots of stuff`
`19:24.45`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`there have been a number of authors that are contributing a lot of stuff`
`19:24.57`	ag`	`I was wondering if you knew something about the creation of raid unit frames from the secure headers`
`19:24.58`	`Tem`	`just look through the files`
`19:25.11`	`Tem`	`I know very little about it`
`19:25.13`	ag`	`how to set heigth/width/scale/unitwatch`
`19:25.18`	ag`	`while in combat`
`19:25.23`	ag`	`on newly created frames`
`19:25.24`	`Tem`	`you use attributes, iirc`
`19:25.37`	ag`	`I see those initial-scale attributes`
`19:25.43`	`Tem`	`yeah, that's what you want`
`19:25.51`	ag`	`but I don't know how to set them`
`19:26.00`	ag`	`because it's not attributes for the header`
`19:26.12`	ag`	`it's attributes that's read for the child frames`
`19:26.24`	ag`	`and.... I can't set those in combat :`
`19:26.38`	`Tem`	`yeah you can :)`
`19:26.49`	`Tem`	`there's a magic frame method that can only be called from secure code`
`19:26.54`	`Tem`	`lemme find it`
`19:27.03`	`pastamancer`	`child:AllowAttributeChanges()`
`19:27.41`	`Tem`	`yeah, that's the one`
`19:28.07`	ag`	`what does that one do?`
`19:28.20`	`Cide`	ag`: you don't set attributes in combat
`19:28.23`	`Tem`	`it allows you to call stuff on that frame that you can't in combat until the next Update`
`19:28.35`	`Tem`	`(that attribute is inherited by it's children)`
`19:28.44`	`Cide`	ag`: you can't change raid frames' attributes in combat, that's the whole point
`19:28.58`	ag`	`Cide: I know, but I need a way to set initial scale`
`19:29.15`	`Cide`	`that's inherited so scale the header frame out of combat`
`19:29.27`	ag`	`what about initial width/hight/unitwatch`
`19:29.46`	`Cide`	`you have <Size>`
`19:29.54`	`Cide`	`the header sets the unit for you`
`19:29.55`	`Tem`	you may need to use an xml template, ag`
`19:30.05`	`Cide`	`you need to use an xml template, in fact`
`19:30.09`	`ckknight`	`why?`
`19:30.11`	ag`	`I do use one`
`19:30.15`	ag`	`but not for height`
`19:30.17`	`Cide`	`because you can't define templates in lua, ckknight`
`19:30.27`	`ckknight`	`ah, fair enough`
`19:30.28`	ag`	`I have height/width in a variable`
`19:30.29`	`ckknight`	`(lame)`
`19:30.32`	`Tem`	`and because the attributes need to be set initially`
`19:30.48`	`Cide`	`I forget if you can define initial height as an attribute`
`19:30.52`	`Cide`	`ideally you should`
`19:30.55`	`Tem`	`you don't need to`
`19:30.59`	`Tem`	`<Size>`
`19:31.00`	`Cide`	`Tem: you kinda do`
`19:31.09`	`Tem`	`unless I'm missing something...`
`19:31.09`	`Cide`	`Tem: if you want variable width/height with an option`
`19:31.13`	`Tem`	`oh`
`19:31.16`	`Tem`	`you're right`
`19:31.34`	`Cide`	`can't remember how Esamynn implemented it`
`19:31.36`	`Cide`	`let me check`
`19:31.37`	ag`	`I am still just unsure of how to use the initial hight width attributes`
`19:31.43`	`Tem`	`yeah, that's what I'm looking at`
`19:32.12`	`Tem`	`also, do you remember if AllowAttributeChanges allows setting of height/width ect?`
`19:32.36`	`Cide`	`nope`
`19:32.46`	`Tem`	`hmm`
`19:32.54`	`Tem`	`I could swear there was a way to do this with all lua`
`19:33.07`	`Cide`	`initial-width, initial-height, initial-scale`
`19:33.11`	`Cide`	`initial-unitWatch`
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`19:33.33`	ag`	`I see those, yes. What I don't get is how I get to set those for NEW frames`
`19:33.35`	`Tem`	ag`, you need to use a config function
`19:33.56`	`Tem`	`there is an attribute you set on the header (I think) that defines a function to be called BEFORE that function`
`19:34.14`	ag`	`pastamancer mentioned header.initialConfigFunction`
`19:34.15`	`Tem`	`and in that config function, you setup your attributes`
`19:35.16`	`Cide`	ag`: pretty sure that you set the initial-* on the actual raid header
`19:35.29`	`Tem`	`I don't think so, Cide`
`19:35.35`	ag`	`Cide: it doesn't look like that`
`19:35.47`	`Tem`	`ok, I'm fairly sure about this`
`19:35.51`	ag`	`it would have made sense to me, but it looks like it reads the attributes from the childs`
`19:35.57`	`Tem`	`you set header.initialConfiFunction`
`19:36.13`	`Tem`	`(not attribute, table key)`
`19:36.30`	`Tem`	`when it creates a new frame, it unlocks attribute changes and calls that function`
`19:36.40`	`Tem`	`passing the new child`
`19:36.50`	ag`	`so I do header.initialConfigFunction = function(child) child:SetAttribute("initial-width",100) end`
`19:36.53`	`Cide`	`yeah, you're right Tem`
`19:37.00`	`Tem`	right, ag`
`19:37.02`	`Cide`	`newChild:AllowAttributeChanges(); securecall(ApplyConfig, header, newChild, defaultConfigFunction)`
`19:37.21`	ag`	`Thanks, now I can make it work`
`19:37.30`	ag`	`with a user set width/height/scale and everything`
`19:37.34`	`Tem`	`and then it calls ApplyUnitButtonConfig`
`19:37.40`	ag`	`yep`
`19:37.41`	`Tem`	`which actually makes the changes`
`19:37.45`	ag`	`that's great`
`19:38.53`	ag`	`going to fix aguf right away`
`19:50.22`	`Corrodias`	`hey guys, i'm going to have a nap, now!`
`19:51.26`	`Thunder_Child`	`enjoy`
`19:54.11`	`zenzelezz`	`thanks for letting us know`
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`19:55.46`	`Thunder_Child`	`zenzelezz, alert the media`
`19:56.55`	`Inside`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:56.56`	`Inside`	`wow slow`
`19:56.58`	`Inside`	`wow freezing`
`19:57.00`	`Inside`	`fishign comp starting`
`19:57.03`	`Inside`	`no wow don't freeze`
`19:57.04`	`Inside`	`/wrists`
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`19:57.58`	`Thunder_Child`	`i dunno Inside, i think you lie, you have /wrists quite alot yet you keep coming back`
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`19:58.17`	`Thunder_Child`	`s/have/have done/`
`19:58.37`	`Thunder_Child`	`that or your undead`
`20:01.24`	`Corrodias`	`i like how the "ptr client download" page is a "404 File Not Found!"`
`20:02.14`	`Thunder_Child`	`it does let you through at some point`
`20:05.59`	`Corrodias`	`i take it you need a separate installation of WoW for this? (my nap will commence very soon)`
`20:07.54`	`Thunder_Child`	`no, it pulls from your current one to make a seperate one`
`20:08.10`	`Thunder_Child`	`make sure you have room`
`20:08.24`	`Corrodias`	`well that's pretty handy`
`20:10.35`	`Mikma`	`http://wow.reaktio.net/TBC/fm.jpg`
`20:13.05`	`zespri`	`there is no NDA about the beta, right?`
`20:14.07`	`Thunder_Child`	`no`
`20:14.45`	`zespri`	`thansk`
`20:14.51`	`Thunder_Child`	`Mikma, is that you?`
`20:15.02`	`Mikma`	`Thunder_Child: no it's my target`
`20:15.31`	`Thunder_Child`	`ok, cuse i was about to say you looked like a circus reject`
`20:24.48`	`kaiden`	`be a man, say it anyway`
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`20:27.14`	`Thunder_Child`	`kaiden you right, i will`
`20:27.23`	`Thunder_Child`	`kaiden, you look like a circus reject`
`20:31.52`	`kaiden`	`indeedy doodle`
`20:32.01`	`kaiden`	`was it my clown nose or my multi colored hair that gave it away`
`20:32.05`	`kaiden`	`or the big floppy shoes?`
`20:36.45`	`Thunder_Child`	`well to be honest i didnt even notice those....what really got me was your personality`
`20:38.04`	`kaiden`	`Thunder_Child, that's hurtful...`
`20:38.08`	`kaiden`	`and to think you were in my will`
`20:38.16`	`kaiden`	`and I was going to leave you a PS3 & a Wii`
`20:38.18`	`kaiden`	`psha!`
`20:38.38`	`Thunder_Child`	`thanks you were gonna leave me the Crap & Lesser Crap`
`20:40.42`	`kaiden`	`everyone here is so hateful`
`20:41.55`	`Thunder_Child`	`well you did just kick me out of you will`
`20:42.04`	`Thunder_Child`	`s/you/your/`
`20:42.11`	`Thunder_Child`	`...`
`20:43.58`	`kaiden`	`lol`
`20:48.24`	`deci`	`http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/2913/wiipwnagemh6.jpg`
`20:48.26`	`deci`	`:D:D:D:D:D`
`20:51.31`	`Inside`	`just twilight princess? pft`
`20:52.24`	`deci`	`no, got a few other games, they didnt make it in the shot though`
`20:52.59`	`Thardal`	`you could buy like the whole launch lineup and it'd still be cheaper than a ps3 xD`
`20:54.18`	`deci`	`yea haha`
`20:54.43`	`Inside`	`as opposed to dishing about $1300 dollars and having a PS3 with all of the items from GT4`
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`21:01.52`	ag`	`I need a Wii`
`21:02.05`	`Mikma`	`well go into toilet`
`21:09.53`	ag`	`:(`
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`21:48.02`	`zespri_work`	`so char transfer is still broken`
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`22:04.35`	`cladhaire`	`Anyone around on Blade's Edge.. there'a 170 person queue on Hellfire`
`22:04.48`	`cladhaire`	`I can create on either side`
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`22:05.47`	`Maldivia`	`Iriel ?`
`22:12.39`	`Mery`	`for what clad? (in case im not too late, I could log on)`
`22:12.47`	`cladhaire`	`np.. i grabbed someone else`
`22:12.49`	`cladhaire`	`appreciate it.`
`22:13.01`	`Mery`	`ok :)`
`22:15.32`	`Maldivia`	`sob Where is Iriel...`
`22:17.49`	`Tem`	`Maldivia, I have played with arcane builds`
`22:17.53`	`Tem`	`I hate them`
`22:18.35`	`Maldivia`	`Tem: did some theorycrafting on them... Arcane Blast is very high dps... but Arcane Missiles is below frost!`
`22:19.26`	`Tem`	`arcane blast is high dps`
`22:20.01`	`Maldivia`	`arcane blast is insane dps... for 50 sec, then very low, while you wand because of OOM :)`
`22:20.41`	`Maldivia`	`Tem: perhaps you can help me with a bit of a weird problem I have...`
`22:21.23`	`Tem`	`yeah lol`
`22:21.30`	`Maldivia`	`Tem: DevTools is causing taint when using some of the Pet command, and I can't seem to understand why...`
`22:21.38`	`Tem`	`that's not dev tools`
`22:21.57`	`Maldivia`	`it's the only addon I have installed right now`
`22:22.00`	`Cairenn`	`also, which version are you using?`
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`22:22.05`	`Maldivia`	`the latest from wowi`
`22:22.11`	`Maldivia`	`v1.1-pre1-20000`
`22:22.29`	`Tem`	`Maldivia, that makes no sense`
`22:22.31`	`Maldivia`	`just downloaded it 10mins ago`
`22:22.34`	`Maldivia`	`Tem: exactly`
`22:22.39`	`Maldivia`	`and it's only the pet commands`
`22:22.47`	`Tem`	`I'll cite "It works for me"`
`22:23.08`	`Maldivia`	`I don't know why it would, or it's just blaming the first and the best addon it finds...`
`22:23.21`	`Maldivia`	`hmm, I'll try enabling a dummy addon, with no contents...`
`22:24.08`	`Tem`	`I don't know if this is still the case, but inserting a frame into UISpecialFrames would cause the issue`
`22:25.05`	`Maldivia`	`ok, not happening with my dummy addon, but does 100% of the times when DevTools is enabled`
`22:25.51`	`Maldivia`	`<PROTECTED>`
`22:28.08`	`Maldivia`	`Ok...`
`22:28.23`	`Maldivia`	`adding a slash command to the system is the trigger`
`22:28.50`	`ckknight`	`seems odd.`
`22:29.12`	`Maldivia`	`I can't see why though`
`22:29.53`	`Maldivia`	`and ReloadUI doesn't seem to actually reload`
`22:30.18`	`Maldivia`	`this is very very weird...`
`22:30.50`	`Maldivia`	`Have an addon that contains this:`
`22:30.51`	`Maldivia`	`SLASH_DUMMY1 = "/dummy"; SlashCmdList["DUMMY"] = function(msg) ChatFrame1:AddMessage("This is a dummy addon!"); end`
`22:30.53`	`Maldivia`	`nothing else`
`22:31.22`	`Maldivia`	`if I call /petattack after /dummy, then the game want's to disable Dummy`
`22:31.30`	`Maldivia`	`and Dummy is the only addon enabled`
`22:32.31`	`ckknight`	`Maldivia, I think maybe Slouken should be told...`
`22:33.11`	`Maldivia`	`I can't see how this is happening though`
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`22:33.40`	`Maldivia`	`and why is it only happening to the Pet commands`
`22:34.05`	`Maldivia`	`I can use /target /cast etc just fine`
`22:34.19`	`zenzelezz`	`tell slouken, let them sweat over it instead of you - they have inside info`
`22:34.37`	`Maldivia`	`hmm, will just try a complete purge of WTF`
`22:34.56`	`Maldivia`	`but dont see how any settings there could make this happen`
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`22:37.01`	`\|Shadow\|`	`is there any way in macro to say if i have ice block dont cast it?`
`22:37.17`	`\|Shadow\|`	`because with mage if you click ice block twice it debuffs it :P`
`22:37.37`	`\|Shadow\|`	`so i wanna say if im not ice blocked cast ice block, if i am ice blocked do nothing`
`22:37.55`	`zenzelezz`	`think you can at the moment, but probably not with BC`
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`22:38.18`	`\|Shadow\|`	`yea thats cool im not on tbc atm`
`22:38.19`	`Maldivia`	`<PROTECTED>`
`22:38.24`	`Maldivia`	`5 second grace period :)`
`22:38.35`	`\|Shadow\|`	`nah thats no good Maldivia`
`22:38.48`	`\|Shadow\|`	`because sometimes i have to spam click it so i can get ice block the second global cooldown finishes`
`22:39.10`	`Maldivia`	`\|Shadow\|: the sequence wont continue, unless the spell is actually cast (as far as I know)`
`22:39.34`	`Maldivia`	`for now /run if not IsBuffActive("Ice Block", "player") then CastSpellByName("Ice Block") end`
`22:39.48`	`\|Shadow\|`	`yup thats brilliant <3`
`22:47.59`	`Maldivia`	`arghh`
`22:48.23`	`zenzelezz`	`still no luck?`
`22:50.05`	`Maldivia`	`this time, no problems...`
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`22:52.43`	`zenzelezz`	`so it appears to have been something with something in your WTF folder?`
`22:55.48`	`Maldivia`	`no... because now it's only happening sometimes, but not all the time`
`22:57.05`	`Maldivia`	`I found the problem, I think`
`22:59.11`	`Maldivia`	`anyone want's to confirm ?`
`22:59.43`	`cladhaire`	`i can`
`22:59.45`	`cladhaire`	`whats up`
`23:00.09`	`Maldivia`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:01.22`	`cladhaire`	`yep`
`23:01.25`	`cladhaire`	`i can reproduce`
`23:01.35`	`Maldivia`	`it's the tab-completion code then`
`23:01.49`	`cladhaire`	`aye`
`23:01.55`	`cladhaire`	`which isn't suprising`
`23:01.59`	`cladhaire`	`its in the beastly file.`
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`23:06.56`	`Tem`	`Maldivia, I'm looking at ChatFrame.lua, and I think that just moving the SecureCmdList loop to the top might fix it`
`23:07.21`	`Tem`	`eh, nope`
`23:08.26`	`Tem`	`ewwww..`
`23:08.33`	`Tem`	`USAToday put USC in 2nd`
`23:08.33`	`Maldivia`	`will require som ugly hacks to the current code`
`23:08.40`	`Maldivia`	`or a redesign`
`23:08.57`	`Tem`	`Maldivia, I think moving a few things to attributes might do it`
`23:10.25`	`Maldivia`	`that's still a redesign...`
`23:11.24`	`Maldivia`	`hmm...`
`23:11.36`	`Maldivia`	`yeah ok, could be fixed...`
`23:11.55`	`Tem`	`the hard part is finding out what the initial taint is`
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`23:12.28`	`Maldivia`	`my guess: this:SetText(cmdString);`
`23:12.28`	`Tem`	`I think it's coming from this.tabcompleteIndex`
`23:12.34`	`Maldivia`	`or does later calls with untainted cmdString untaint the editbox text?`
`23:12.40`	`Tem`	`did you tab-complete /dummy?`
`23:12.52`	`Maldivia`	`hmm, nope`
`23:13.12`	`Tem`	`EditBox:SetText("") untaints the editbox's internal string`
`23:13.24`	`Maldivia`	`Ok, wasn't sure`
`23:15.13`	`Maldivia`	`calling a tainted function, taints the execution of the rest of the calling function, right?`
`23:15.21`	`Tem`	`yes`
`23:15.46`	`Tem`	`oh I know what it is`
`23:15.52`	`Maldivia`	`so would it be enough to securecall the value in ParseText?`
`23:16.11`	`Tem`	`I think this.chatType is tainted`
`23:16.45`	`Maldivia`	`the funny thing is, without the tab completetion, no taint occurs`
`23:17.06`	`Tem`	`right`
`23:17.09`	`Tem`	`user input is secure`
`23:18.03`	`Maldivia`	`then it must be the SetText that's causing the taint`
`23:19.00`	`Maldivia`	`I hate taint...`
`23:19.32`	`Tem`	`no`
`23:19.34`	`Tem`	`I found it`
`23:19.36`	`Tem`	`it's chatType`
`23:20.10`	`Tem`	`when you do /dummy`
`23:20.31`	`Tem`	`ParseText taints itself by looking through SlashCmdList`
`23:20.38`	`Tem`	`then it calls OnEscapePressed`
`23:20.50`	`Tem`	`which sets editbox.chatType`
`23:21.56`	`Maldivia`	`but stickyType is only set, if ChatTypeInfo[type].sticky == 1`
`23:22.10`	`Inside`	`oh dear lord`
`23:22.11`	`Maldivia`	`escape pressed resets the type`
`23:22.15`	`Inside`	`wow gay horde porn`
`23:22.15`	`Inside`	`>_<`
`23:22.24`	`Tem`	`but stickyType is "SAY"`
`23:22.37`	`Inside`	`http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=534914&topic=31877846`
`23:22.38`	`Inside`	`wow porn 0_o`
`23:22.39`	`Maldivia`	`a`
`23:22.40`	`Maldivia`	`doh`
`23:22.44`	`Tem`	`isn't it?`
`23:22.55`	`Maldivia`	`yes it is, since it defaults to that`
`23:22.57`	`Tem`	`you tell me, I'm not sure`
`23:25.16`	`Maldivia`	`so it's the this.chatType == "WHISPER" in the top of OnTabPressed, that's causing it to taint that entire method ?`
`23:26.03`	`Tem`	`I think so`
`23:26.58`	`Tem`	`ok, yeah, it is`
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`23:27.27`	`Tem`	`assuming nothing else nasty happens inside, I know how to fix that`
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`23:28.39`	`Maldivia`	`tricky bug :)`
`23:28.58`	`Tem`	`indeed`
`23:29.36`	`Tem`	`personally, I'd just move every instance of chatType, stickyType, channelTarget, and tellTarget to attributes`
`23:30.19`	`Tem`	`but the faster route is to do something similar to what was done for the editbox that handles EXECUTE_CHAT_LINE`
`23:31.00`	`Maldivia`	`Uhh... hadn't noticed... he implemented my suggestion :)`
`23:31.16`	`Tem`	`not exactly`
`23:31.33`	`Tem`	`but very similar to what you posted`
`23:31.38`	`Maldivia`	`yeah I know, added the chatType and tellTarget variables :)`
`23:32.23`	`Maldivia`	`but the suggestion of using a provate editbox for it, have been suggestion that for a year now :)`
`23:32.46`	`Tem`	`yeah lol`
`23:33.01`	`Tem`	`at some point I had an addon that did it`
`23:33.12`	`Maldivia`	`http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4925 <-- so do I :)`
`23:33.30`	`Tem`	`hehe`
`23:33.36`	`Tem`	`I never released mine`
`23:33.59`	`Tem`	`I had just shoved into my scratch addon`
`23:34.49`	`Maldivia`	`I think I made my addon a year before it ended up on wowi`
`23:35.25`	`Maldivia`	`because I got tired of my macros eating what I was writing`
`23:39.58`	`Maldivia`	`perhaps a dumb question... why give the macro editbox a global name?`
`23:43.35`	`Maldivia`	`Tem: hmm, using attributes for the chatType, stickyType etc, would also mean that we can actually change stickiness without tainting`
`23:43.58`	`Tem`	`theoretically you should be able to change stickyness without tainting`
`23:44.41`	`Tem`	`since the SecureCmdList is the only thing were taint matters`
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`23:45.22`	`Maldivia`	`if I do ChatTypeInfo["OFFICER"].sticky = 1`
`23:45.43`	`Maldivia`	`then if I do slash commands, while in "officer" mode, then it will be tainted`
`23:45.55`	`Tem`	`I don't hink so`
`23:45.59`	`Tem`	`think so`
`23:46.13`	`Tem`	`ChatEdit_HandleChatType is securecalled by ParseText`
`23:46.37`	`Maldivia`	`OnEnterPressed if (ChatTypeInfo[type].sticky == 1) then`
`23:47.02`	`Maldivia`	`wouldn't that taint the setting of this.stickyType afterwards?`
`23:47.21`	`Tem`	`mmmmmaybe`
`23:47.52`	`Kirkburn`	`Oooh, yeah, I love the PDF output function of Office 2007`
`23:48.12`	`Tem`	`you mean the thing OpenOffice has been able to do for years?`
`23:48.15`	`Kirkburn`	`Excuse my randomness, but it's damn useful :)`
`23:48.29`	`Kirkburn`	`Yeah, the thing Adobe have ignored for years, but if MS dares do it, they sue`
`23:48.48`	`Kirkburn`	`Cos they're nice like that`
`23:48.53`	`Maldivia`	`the thing that has been available for MS Word for a long time, by a freeware addon :)`
`23:49.27`	`Kirkburn`	`Tis true, but it's a proper official plug-in now (which you can dl from the website)`
`23:51.37`	`zenzelezz`	`Kirkburn: Adobe didn't ignore it, they just made you pay for it`
`23:52.00`	`Kirkburn`	`Huh, but OpenOffice is free?`
`23:52.17`	`zenzelezz`	`but it's not Acrobat, and doesn't provide all Acrobat does`
`23:52.19`	`Tem`	`Microsoft argued in court that data formats aren't patenable`
`23:52.33`	`Tem`	`patentable*`
`23:52.45`	`Tem`	`and perhaps not copyrightable either`
`23:52.47`	`Kirkburn`	`I don't recall it going to court? The talks just collapsed`
`23:52.48`	`Tem`	`but I don't recall`
`23:52.53`	`Tem`	`oh?`
`23:52.55`	`Kirkburn`	`Afaik, PDF isn't patented`
`23:53.01`	`Tem`	`perhaps I'm remembering wrong`
`23:53.40`	`Kirkburn`	`MS were in talks to get it included and were making lots of concessions to Adobe, but then Adobe broke off the talks and forced MS to drop it from being included by default (at least, that's how I remember it)`
`23:53.56`	`Tem`	`dunno`
`23:54.02`	`Kirkburn`	`But they can't force MS from offering it as a dl from OfficeOnline, at least`
`23:54.21`	`Kirkburn`	`zenzelezz, that is a good point`
`23:54.41`	`Kirkburn`	`It only exports`
`23:54.58`	`Maldivia`	`isn't pdf open format now?`
`23:55.49`	`Kirkburn`	`Reading http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PDF atm`
`23:57.33`	`Tem`	`Maldivia, I'm not convinced that it would taint you`
`23:57.42`	`Tem`	`but I don't have time to dissect it atm`
`23:57.50`	`Tem\|AFK`	`be back later tonight`
`23:58.15`	`Kirkburn`	`MS's competitor to PDF, XPS, looks pretty good - and it's really properly free :)`
`23:58.18`	`Maldivia`	`let me test then`
`23:58.49`	`Kirkburn`	`(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XML_Paper_Specification)`
`23:58.50`	`Maldivia`	`Tem: it taints`
`23:59.13`	`Maldivia`	`Tem: when used in conjunction with tab completetion`
`23:59.36`	`Tem\|AFK`	`well duh`
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`23:59.40`	`Corrodias`	`MS seems almost generous, sometimes... as long as they are in control`

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