| 00:00.32 | Maldivia | hehe |
| 00:00.38 | Maldivia | what you get? |
| 00:00.55 | Kaso | http://thottbot.com/beta?i=11744 |
| 00:01.02 | Maldivia | name? |
| 00:01.15 | Kaso | Destruction Potion |
| 00:01.21 | Kaso | Use: Increases spell critical chance by 2% and spell damage by 120 for 15 sec. |
| 00:01.28 | Maldivia | 2min cooldown |
| 00:01.39 | Kaso | toep pot |
| 00:01.43 | Maldivia | on same cooldown as health pots |
| 00:01.44 | Osagasu | Cool. |
| 00:02.30 | Maldivia | 2 nightmare vine, 1 netherbloom, 1 imbued vial |
| 00:02.56 | Maldivia | semi expensive consumable, that only gives a 15sec buff |
| 00:03.02 | Kaso | nightmare vine seems to not be available |
| 00:04.11 | Kaso | i guess its shadowmoon |
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| 00:06.28 | Osagasu | Probably |
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| 00:36.04 | cladhaire | Display the information in an intelligent way. |
| 00:36.05 | cladhaire | Healing assignments |
| 00:36.05 | cladhaire | Decurse assignments |
| 00:36.10 | cladhaire | Viva la resistance! |
| 00:36.37 | pastamancer | gello's alternative sounds viable too :p |
| 00:36.39 | SP|Sorren | hi cladhaire |
| 00:36.44 | cladhaire | hehe |
| 00:36.47 | SP|Sorren | i was told i could talk to you about getting access to the svn? |
| 00:37.03 | cladhaire | you could, but sadly i'd just be good conversation and not much information |
| 00:37.15 | cladhaire | you can check the SVN_Rules wiki entry for info on getting an account. |
| 00:37.23 | SP|Sorren | aw, i sent an email like a week ago ;P |
| 00:37.27 | cladhaire | to who? |
| 00:37.33 | SP|Sorren | the svn request group thingy |
| 00:37.39 | SP|Sorren | and signed the page too :P |
| 00:38.40 | cladhaire | hrm |
| 00:38.46 | cladhaire | then you'll likely get your account soon |
| 00:38.53 | cladhaire | its a group that handles that |
| 00:39.16 | SP|Sorren | cool ;) |
| 00:41.04 | kergoth | is someone working on a more sane presentation of the buffs/debuffs on the target for tbc yet, given the huge # of slots? |
| 00:41.40 | cladhaire | just filter to castable debuffs =) |
| 00:41.41 | cladhaire | hehe |
| 00:41.52 | cladhaire | its kinda scary, actually |
| 00:42.40 | kergoth | that still isnt exactly helpful if you've got 5 rogues all stacking deadly, etc |
| 00:42.42 | kergoth | :P |
| 00:42.57 | cladhaire | will deadly stack for each individual rogue now? |
| 00:43.03 | kergoth | yep |
| 00:43.08 | cladhaire | neat =) |
| 00:46.04 | Maldivia | yeah... debuffs no longer stack, but instead buffs do... |
| 01:03.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Aww, crap |
| 01:03.35 | ScytheBlade1 | They blocked /script TargetUnit and /script CastSpell in macros *even when out of combat*? |
| 01:03.41 | ckknight | yep. |
| 01:03.47 | ScytheBlade1 | bah :p |
| 01:03.56 | ScytheBlade1 | So much for me easy arena buff macro :P |
| 01:04.00 | ScytheBlade1 | *my |
| 01:04.30 | ckknight | the new macro system is pretty shiny... |
| 01:04.38 | SP|Sorren | man is there a way to keep me from casting Aspect of the Hawk if it's already active? |
| 01:04.49 | SP|Sorren | i hate that it turns hawk off if i cast it again :/ |
| 01:05.25 | ckknight | hey Esamynn |
| 01:06.10 | ScytheBlade1 | ckknight, true that. But it's still easier to do it in a single line of /script :P |
| 01:06.21 | ckknight | true... |
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| 01:25.20 | Kirkburn | *sigh*, just looking at one of those 'Exploit' websites (linked from a 1up article, disappointingly) ... one of the tricks it lists is "Paladin Sheild + Hearth Trick" .... yeaaaahh, nice trick! |
| 01:25.59 | Kirkburn | "Nice Hiding spot in BG (Horde)" ... wow, this is gold dust! |
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| 01:26.15 | kergoth | hahah |
| 01:26.34 | Kirkburn | "Never lose a Arathi Basin Match" ... you'd think someone would notice that one |
| 01:26.45 | kergoth | gasp! |
| 01:26.55 | Thunder_Child | or http://www.briankopp.com |
| 01:27.11 | Kirkburn | "See Enemies Weapon Drops Before Kills" ... I find that one odd, if not impossible |
| 01:27.24 | Thunder_Child | atlas loot Kirov |
| 01:27.29 | Thunder_Child | Kirkburn* |
| 01:27.29 | Kirkburn | ahem |
| 01:27.33 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 01:27.38 | Thunder_Child | bloody tab effect |
| 01:28.24 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 01:29.49 | Kirkburn | I don't have a problem with the Brian Kopp thing, I'd be quite interested to see it :P |
| 01:29.51 | Tem | BUT WAIT THERE'S MORE |
| 01:30.06 | Thunder_Child | only $35 US |
| 01:30.15 | Kirkburn | Yeah, not for $35 |
| 01:30.30 | Tem | yeah, like I'm paying 35 bucks for some guy to tell me how to play |
| 01:31.49 | Tem | haha awesome |
| 01:31.50 | Tem | http://www.jinx.com/scripts/details.asp?productID=893 |
| 01:32.23 | Kirkburn | hah, nice |
| 01:32.51 | Kirkburn | I can imagine people going up to me and trying to pronounce it 'Germanish' |
| 01:32.57 | Kirkburn | Muuuulten Cuuuure |
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| 01:35.06 | Kirkburn | Oooh, 1up has been running Xbox 360 and a PS3 side by side comparisons - they can't tell the difference \o/ |
| 01:37.00 | Tuller | well, I could have told you that |
| 01:37.15 | Kirkburn | I do love Sony exec sound bites - Ken Kutaragi: "With the PS3, our intentions have been to create a machine with supercomputer calculation capabilities for home entertainment...You can experience the 4D world." |
| 01:38.09 | Kirkburn | I wish Sony would define what the PS3 is. PC, film player, 'entertainment' device, games machine? What is it? |
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| 01:39.40 | Kirkburn | "ooh, look, a chair!" |
| 01:40.30 | Thrae | I always say "OOOES" when I see a Sony PS3. "Overpriced, Overhyped, Overindulged Entertainment System" |
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| 01:42.04 | Thrae | PS3 is way too modern for its time, and I think it may actually hurt sales of the Blueray disc as anti-Sony campaigns start up over its outrageous price. |
| 01:42.17 | Thrae | I should have put "modern" in quotes. |
| 01:44.24 | Kirkburn | yeah you should have :P |
| 01:44.56 | Thrae | I think a lot of the PS3's so-called "modern" technology, especially Blueray, will go down the wayside like the Laser Disc. |
| 01:45.09 | Kirkburn | It's a machine created from a whole heap of self-love |
| 01:45.54 | malreth | bah... raid leader 'volunteered' me for mage class lead on naxx... |
| 01:45.59 | Kirkburn | "hey, we're Sony, we can do whatever the hell we want, and people will buy it, cause, y'know, it's Sony!" |
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| 01:46.32 | Kirkburn | (^ the above being a paraphrased, but real, Sony exec comment) |
| 01:46.49 | Thrae | I'll bet you $20 that there will be a "PS3.5" or "PS3 Lite" that's just a damn game system with a cheap Blueray reader (which at the time, will be cheap) |
| 01:46.53 | malreth | it's betamax all over again |
| 01:47.37 | Thrae | People actually USED Betamax, I don't think Blueray is really redundant technology. It's too expensive compared to DVD for it to be useful. |
| 01:47.52 | Thrae | s/don't// |
| 01:48.13 | Kirkburn | I think HDTVs need far more market penetration for anyone to really care |
| 01:48.16 | Thrae | VHS when it came out was relatively cheap |
| 01:48.25 | malreth | heh heh... you said 'penetration' |
| 01:48.36 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 01:48.39 | Thunder_Child | dvd players/burners however were not cheap when they came out |
| 01:48.40 | Kirkburn | People are happy with DVDs |
| 01:48.52 | Thrae | Kirkburn: I have a HDTV, but I don't think it's good enough for me to notice any difference with the PS3 and/or Blueray |
| 01:48.59 | Thrae | I only bought it a year ago |
| 01:49.15 | Thunder_Child | but they went down in price, so to will HDDVD/BlueRay |
| 01:49.15 | ckknight | it's Blu-ray |
| 01:49.28 | Kirkburn | I can't imagine anyone except the insane running out and replacing their DVD collection yet |
| 01:49.30 | Thunder_Child | s/BlueRay/Blu-ray/ |
| 01:49.47 | Thrae | It doesn't even have HDMI, or the Super-Expensive-Connection-Standard |
| 01:49.49 | ckknight | people don't _need_ HDTV yet |
| 01:49.53 | ckknight | there's no real demand |
| 01:50.54 | Thrae | Thunder_Child: Right, but the time Blueray discs go down in price for them to be available to others then the upper-middle class or higher, it'll be time to roll out the next-next generation of consoles. |
| 01:51.12 | Thrae | Thunder_Child: And at that time, there may be far better technology available then what's in the PS3 |
| 01:51.17 | Kirkburn | Tbh, in the whole are of home entertainment, I think many feel happy with what they have now, there's really not a lot of call for new stuff for most people |
| 01:51.20 | Thrae | It just makes no sense to me. |
| 01:51.39 | ckknight | right, Kirkburn |
| 01:51.45 | Tem | ~emulate sean connery |
| 01:51.47 | purl | The day is mine! |
| 01:51.53 | Tem | ~botsnack |
| 01:51.53 | purl | aw, gee, Tem |
| 01:51.57 | ckknight | there is just not enough of a difference between standard and HD. |
| 01:51.59 | Maldivia | ~emulate 007 |
| 01:52.05 | Thrae | Kirkburn: The Wii fills all I wanted in a console, except of course lack of excellent titles (hopefully that will change with Sony's huge blunder) |
| 01:52.10 | Kirkburn | Even with PCs, it's getting to the point of "it works, so I'm happy", which may be a problem for Vista |
| 01:52.11 | ckknight | ~emulate james bond |
| 01:52.27 | Tem | ~emulate stewie |
| 01:52.28 | purl | Baby needs to suck ash! |
| 01:52.29 | ckknight | Kirkburn, yea, but that'll be averted seeing as Vista ships with PCs. |
| 01:52.32 | Thrae | Wireless Internet play, Emulated library of old games, cool motion and infrared sensors, etc. |
| 01:52.44 | JoshBorke | WIII! |
| 01:52.45 | Kirkburn | Thrae, lots of development houses are certainly looking elsewhere than the PS3 atm, I really am thinking of Wii-ing it up :) |
| 01:53.03 | Maldivia | ~emulate bender |
| 01:53.04 | purl | Yeah, well I'm gonna build my own lunar space lander! With blackjack aaaaannd Hookers! Actually, forget the space lander, and the blackjack. Ahhhh forget the whole thing! |
| 01:53.15 | Thrae | The motion and infared sensors seem wacky (not as wacky as the DS), but they make a LOT of sense for a good sized niche of games |
| 01:53.37 | Kirkburn | Aww, I wanted "Bite my shiny metal ass" :( |
| 01:53.54 | ckknight | ~emulate bender |
| 01:53.56 | purl | Well I don't have anything else planned for today, let's get drunk! |
| 01:54.00 | Kirkburn | (hmm, I could attribute that quote to the PS3 :P) |
| 01:54.35 | Thrae | Sony should have realized they were beat when the DS out-sold the PSP by leaps and bounds, even though the PSP wasn't THAT more expensive then the DS, and the DS also had the weirdest, wacked-out design ever (most DS games don't even use the touch-screen technology) |
| 01:54.49 | Kirkburn | I bought myself a giant Stewei poster a couple of days ago :) |
| 01:54.58 | Kirkburn | *Stewie :/ |
| 01:55.08 | Maldivia | ste-wii... |
| 01:55.09 | Maldivia | :) |
| 01:55.14 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 01:55.21 | Thrae | In fact, a lot of DS games really stretch their design just trying to figure out what to put on the bottom screen. A good example is Megaman ZX (excellent game though) |
| 01:55.57 | Maldivia | Thrae: well, the problem is, game developers have been developing for a single screen for a very very long time :) |
| 01:56.16 | Thrae | Nintendo should have played it smart with the DS and released "DSPDA" near launch. |
| 01:56.39 | Thrae | "Mommy, that's a data organizer, not a game system! I need it for school!" |
| 01:57.01 | Thrae | Maldivia: Throwing out the second screen, just the idea of a touch screen baffles most developers. |
| 01:58.01 | SP|Sorren | hmm, how do i get a macro to show the icon of a trinket slot? |
| 01:58.07 | Thrae | I just started playing Final Fantasy 3 DS (not to be confused with FF3US, which is FF6 in Japan), and even that makes cursory usage of the second screen. The movie made better usage then the actual game. |
| 01:58.07 | SP|Sorren | #show slot 13? |
| 01:58.45 | Kirkburn | The PS3 queue stuff was crazy - muggings, shootings, hospitalizations, crazy stuff |
| 01:58.49 | Maldivia | Thrae: well, that's a port of a single-screen game |
| 01:59.06 | Thrae | Maldivia: No, it was a complete remake, in 3D. |
| 01:59.26 | Thrae | The original was on the NES...not much of a port for the DS ;) |
| 01:59.28 | Maldivia | who the hell want to shoot someone else over a PS3? |
| 02:00.22 | Thrae | SP|Sorren: Unfortunately, there is no way in the current architecture to know which button is calling a macro. I always had to send the button's ID as an argument in my functions which alter button textures from macro calls. |
| 02:00.23 | malreth | people who see the PS3 box as nothing more than an easy $500 or more profit from ebay |
| 02:00.25 | Maldivia | ohh, so it's a remake of NES FF3 |
| 02:00.43 | SP|Sorren | Thrae: wait, what? |
| 02:00.44 | Thrae | Maldivia: Complete remake, pretty different, graphics aside |
| 02:01.04 | Maldivia | Thrae: ok, I was thinking snes FF3 |
| 02:01.21 | Tuller | snes FF3 is on the GBA |
| 02:01.39 | Tuller | hurray, at least sped up my actionbars |
| 02:01.41 | Corrodias | "snes ff3"? you people and your US perspective :) |
| 02:01.51 | Tuller | I was using his term :) |
| 02:02.01 | Thrae | Maldivia: Meaning you did not read what I said, when I explained the most popular notion of FF3 in the US is known as FF6 in Japan ;) |
| 02:02.10 | Maldivia | I know that |
| 02:02.24 | Maldivia | the US vs Jap versioning of the FF games is completely fucked |
| 02:02.30 | Corrodias | i wanted blu-ray to succeed |
| 02:02.32 | Kirkburn | Hahaha! This is appropriate (the second section) - http://www.istartedsomething.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/11/nwit6_l.jpg |
| 02:02.36 | Thrae | Final Fantasy 3 DS (not to be confused with FF3US, which is FF6 in Japan) :D |
| 02:02.36 | Maldivia | there's also the whole 4 vs 2 vs hard mode 4 |
| 02:02.42 | Corrodias | imagine my disappointment when i heard that sony was going to use blu-ray in the ps3 |
| 02:02.58 | Thrae | Maldivia: All versions of FF4 here in America after the SNES one are in "Hard Mode" |
| 02:03.40 | Thrae | SP|Sorren: Anyway. You wanted to know when I press, say, the 1st action button, and that button has a macro in it, how you can have that macro change the button's icon, right? |
| 02:03.47 | Tuller | hrm, does anyone know if they'll be making the state checking code perform faster in the next update? |
| 02:03.53 | Kirkburn | Corrodias, well, when you've got a format you want to push, why bother listening to sense? |
| 02:04.11 | Maldivia | Thrae: ehh, isn't it exactly opposite, only the easy mode IV was released in the US? |
| 02:04.18 | Corrodias | sony has this history of unintentionally killing formats by supporting them, if i recall |
| 02:04.54 | SP|Sorren | i thought blu-ray was sony's format |
| 02:04.57 | Thrae | Maldivia: FF4 on PS1 and FF4 Advance on GBA were both ports of the true FF4 from Japan. |
| 02:04.57 | SP|Sorren | they don't just support it |
| 02:05.10 | Maldivia | ahh, ok |
| 02:05.24 | Corrodias | if that's the case, it's probably even more doomed |
| 02:06.09 | Thrae | Maldivia: "FF4 Easy Mode" was made specifically for the US for the SNES release. It was also released in Japan as "Easy Mode" just because they didn't change the story, so it was easy. |
| 02:06.17 | SP|Sorren | man i just started typing blu-ray into the little wikipedia search box, and the drop down came up with "blurry nose" |
| 02:06.22 | SP|Sorren | when the hell did i look up blurry nose |
| 02:06.33 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 02:06.37 | Thrae | I think bluray isn't hypenated |
| 02:06.44 | Thrae | or maybe blue-ray? |
| 02:06.52 | Kirkburn | Blu-ray |
| 02:06.53 | MentalPower | Blu-Ray |
| 02:06.54 | Thrae | Wait, no, Sony thinks the letter 'e' is evil |
| 02:07.00 | Kirkburn | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray_Disc |
| 02:07.21 | MentalPower | they can't copyright or trademark Blue-Ray since its a combination of two english words |
| 02:07.33 | MentalPower | but "Blu" they can, since its not a word |
| 02:07.56 | Corrodias | however, if we start calling everything a "blu-ray", we can force the term into being a Generic, and therefore invalidate the trademark |
| 02:08.10 | Thrae | Anyway, isn't it the definition of irony that Sony is sticking with pushing their own game data medium and will likely lose to Nintendo, when Nintendo's doom was pushing their own catridge medium and letting Sony use the Super Famicom CD-Addon to make the Playstation? |
| 02:08.13 | Corrodias | if we had any reason to want to do that |
| 02:09.19 | Kirkburn | heeheehee, look up 'Blu-ray' on Google |
| 02:09.24 | Kirkburn | Check down the list of results |
| 02:09.59 | Kirkburn | 6 and 7 for me are interesting :P |
| 02:10.39 | Maldivia | 6th and 7th result for me: www.sonypictures.com/homevideo/bluray/ and fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disque_Blu-ray |
| 02:11.10 | Kirkburn | Mine: http://bluraysucks.com/ and http://fuckbluray.com/ |
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| 02:11.29 | Kirkburn | (ah, yeah, this was with Google.co.uk) |
| 02:12.08 | Thrae | US -- http://www.sonypictures.com/homevideo/bluray/ and http://www.engadget.com/2005/09/19/blu-ray-vs-hd-dvd-state-of-the-s-union-s-division/ |
| 02:12.34 | Thrae | Google bombing doesn't work very well across "Google Nations" ;) |
| 02:12.42 | Maldivia | hehe |
| 02:13.36 | Thrae | "In other news, the US-located Google.com address launched a pre-emptive strike against the Iranian Google.in, citing 'Recent bombing attacks'" |
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| 02:15.31 | leethal | anywhere beside wowace.com that has some documentation/tutorials/whatever about ace? wowace.com is down atm =/ |
| 02:15.41 | Kirkburn | Heh, I like today's comic here: http://www.reallifecomics.com/ |
| 02:16.11 | Corrodias | somebody just said this on the WoW forum, in relation to my question about the self-casting problem. i don't know if he's serious, because it was in a flame post, but i don't know enough about this subject to be sure. "Or you could change some the attributes of the parent header for the action bars and automagically get the functionality that you want" |
| 02:17.24 | malreth | hi! |
| 02:17.29 | malreth | i'm malreth |
| 02:17.48 | Corrodias | indeed. so what did you mean? |
| 02:17.53 | malreth | child buttons can inherit attributes from their parent headers |
| 02:18.04 | malreth | can't talk... pulling trash in naxx... |
| 02:18.24 | Thrae | "parent header" doesn't make any sense. |
| 02:18.28 | Kirkburn | You shouldn't pull trash, you could catch something |
| 02:19.08 | Iriel | Thrae: Think 'parent frame' |
| 02:19.28 | Iriel | Though the functionality was developed with cases where the parent frame happened to be a secure header |
| 02:19.30 | Thrae | Iriel: That make sense, I don't know where 'header' came from. |
| 02:19.42 | Thrae | Ohhh wait, we're talking about 2.0 aren't we? |
| 02:19.46 | Corrodias | yes |
| 02:19.52 | Thrae | Then I'll promptly shut up. |
| 02:20.05 | Corrodias | the issue of alt overriding other modifier keys, when used as the self-cast key, instead of cooperating with them |
| 02:20.10 | malreth | if you wagered that we'd wipe on our first pull in naxx... YOU A WINNER! |
| 02:20.22 | Corrodias | it sounds like malreth came up with a solution, but i wonder if he was just trying to annoy us |
| 02:20.41 | malreth | you'd never "wonder" if i were trying to annoy you. |
| 02:20.43 | malreth | :) |
| 02:21.21 | Corrodias | the rest of your post doesn't inspire confidence that you aren't |
| 02:22.31 | malreth | pfft |
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| 02:23.25 | Corrodias | in any case, do you have an idea about modifying the parent frame of the actionbars to make the modifier keys stack? |
| 02:23.32 | zespri_work | will the next week patcj bring lua 5.1 and all this new restriction on in-combat scripting? |
| 02:23.40 | malreth | zespri_work: yes |
| 02:23.41 | Maldivia | yes |
| 02:23.45 | zespri_work | thank you |
| 02:23.56 | Corrodias | as well as the new talents, combat ratings, and stuff like that |
| 02:24.54 | malreth | Corrodias: and even still... supposing if what I'm thinking isn't possible, an addon could still be written to modify each of the blizzard action buttons to get the behavior that you want |
| 02:25.55 | Corrodias | i'd certainly love to see it. i'm not fluent enough with the blizzard API to make that happen. |
| 02:26.37 | malreth | Iriel... Go write one for me. |
| 02:28.48 | Tuller | stupid question, but is there a removechild attribute? |
| 02:30.21 | Iriel | Tuller: No |
| 02:30.35 | Iriel | Tuller: Though you can achieve more or less the same effect with SetParent |
| 02:30.42 | Iriel | Or by AddChild'ing it to a different header |
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| 02:32.45 | Guillotine | kekekeke. Deadlykris deleted his comments about cosmos. Either that or the report system actually worked. |
| 02:32.59 | Tuller | actually I probably just needed to turn off the useparent-state flags :) |
| 02:33.19 | Tuller | hopefully |
| 02:39.58 | Guillotine | noob question: will the following work? /castsequence reset=modifier:alt,20 Rake,Mangle |
| 02:40.09 | Guillotine | basically, can you have a modifier reset a castsequence? |
| 02:41.36 | malreth | don't think so... |
| 02:43.38 | Corrodias | i have to go do some homework in the computer lab, now |
| 02:44.21 | Corrodias | if you can give me any more details about what you were talking about with the parent frame, malreth, please don't hesitate to message me or post it in that thread |
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| 02:45.34 | Thunder_Child | do they have a Formulas/Game Mechanics page for % of +dmg items added to different speels based on cast times? |
| 02:45.46 | Thunder_Child | spells* |
| 02:47.04 | Thunder_Child | nvm, i found it |
| 02:47.14 | Corrodias | i hope somebody's in the lab with one of those books... |
| 02:49.11 | Iriel | Guillotine: * A new command /castsequence reset=N/target/combat/shift/alt/ctrl spell1, spell2, spell3 |
| 02:49.43 | Guillotine | ah, ty Iriel :) |
| 02:49.54 | leethal | hm.. AceEvent just trew an error message to large for the error message frame in WoW. Any suggestions? |
| 02:49.57 | Corrodias | reeeealy hope... |
| 02:50.06 | Maldivia | Thunder_Child: ([base cast time] / 3.5) * dmggear |
| 02:51.12 | malreth | leethal: get bugsack/buggrabber |
| 02:52.34 | Guillotine | Thunder_Child: and anything with a casting time less than 1.5 seconds acts as a 1.5 sec base cast time in that formula |
| 02:54.54 | leethal | malreth, thanks |
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| 03:00.01 | leethal | wierd.. AceEvent claims "CHAT_MSG_SPELL_SELF_DAMAGE" doesn't exist |
| 03:08.25 | Cairenn | anyone recall which section of either the "legal documents" or the "policies" has the bit about interference with chat channels? |
| 03:08.49 | Cairenn | "not allowed to disrupt" blah blah blah |
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| 03:10.49 | Guillotine | probably the ToS. just looked and its not the EULA |
| 03:11.50 | Cairenn | yup, it is, thanks |
| 03:11.57 | Guillotine | 3.B.ii |
| 03:12.01 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 03:13.21 | Guillotine | thats interesting. according to 3.B.VI, things like bluetracker are against the ToS |
| 03:13.35 | Maldivia | yep |
| 03:13.42 | Maldivia | google is agains the ToS |
| 03:15.20 | End | well |
| 03:16.02 | Maldivia | thottbot, wowhead, allakhazam etc etc are agains the ToS aswell |
| 03:16.55 | End | as far as I can tell, the ToS is limited to the software |
| 03:17.08 | End | ie, the world of warcraft game |
| 03:17.25 | End | which is a bit confusing when it talks about bots connecting to the website and pulling data there |
| 03:18.00 | End | (so, I think google is in the clear) |
| 03:18.00 | Maldivia | no, it's limited to all their properties, meaning the software, the media, the protocols etc |
| 03:18.21 | End | hmmmmm |
| 03:18.22 | End | well |
| 03:18.29 | End | what exactly is World of Warcraft? |
| 03:19.39 | Maldivia | It's a mmorpg, comprised of multiple servers, multiple clients, a command protocol that connects the two, a community site, a community forum, a lot of artwork etc etc |
| 03:21.00 | Cairenn | means you just got a new user title, too |
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| 03:21.05 | End | hmmm |
| 03:22.02 | Tain | How many posts does it take before I get the title, "Dictator for Life" ? |
| 03:22.06 | End | (I think I agree with your definition Maldivia, but the ToS mentions only "software" |
| 03:22.11 | End | in particular) |
| 03:22.40 | End | all that's been made clear to me is that I'm no lawyer ;p |
| 03:23.16 | Tain | Woah Will Wright is going to be on the Colbert Report on Monday. |
| 03:23.18 | Cairenn | Tain: 5000 |
| 03:23.41 | Cairenn | Tain: except it reads "No Life!" |
| 03:23.59 | Tain | 5000... that sounds like a lot of work. |
| 03:24.30 | Cairenn | indeed ... I'm only at 3k |
| 03:25.17 | Tain | A UK study shows that almost 12% of MMORPG players involved in the study showed symptoms of serious addiction as defined by the World Health Organization. |
| 03:25.34 | Tain | That study is obviously flawed and should be completely ignored. 12% is absurdly low. |
| 03:25.36 | End | well, and your title is special anyways, Cairenn |
| 03:27.11 | Guillotine | is it just me or are there like 3 different Wyrmkin ranks in a row? |
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| 03:27.51 | Cairenn | it's just you |
| 03:27.57 | Guillotine | is there a special rank at 666 posts? there should be |
| 03:27.58 | Guillotine | imo |
| 03:30.04 | Cairenn | 0 - A Kobold Labourer, 2 - A Defias Bandit, 4 - A Murloc Raider, 10 - A Deviate Faerie Dragon, 20 - A Fallenroot Satyr, 30 - An Aku'mai Servant, 40 - A Cyclonian, 50 - A Wyrmkin Dreamwalker, 60 - A Theradrim Guardian, 70 - A Cliff Giant, 80 - A Black Drake, 90 - A Warpwood Thunder Caller, 100 - A Flamescale Wyrmkin .... |
| 03:30.23 | End | I'm still a murloc raider :P |
| 03:31.21 | Tain | I'm a deviate. |
| 03:31.33 | Tain | Oh are we talking about the board titles? |
| 03:31.39 | End | haha |
| 03:31.41 | Cairenn | *chuckle* |
| 03:33.23 | Guillotine | lol |
| 03:34.19 | Guillotine | so does that mean theres nothing after 100? or is that just as far as you're listing? |
| 03:34.43 | Guillotine | oh well, I guess I could at least shoot for the "No Life!" title at 5k |
| 03:35.34 | Cairenn | as far as I am listing, hence the "..." |
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| 03:37.47 | Guillotine | ah, ok |
| 03:53.11 | SP|Sorren | any hunters here in beta? |
| 03:54.17 | cladhaire | i'm a 50 hunter in beta |
| 03:54.50 | grimman | << 64 hunter. |
| 03:57.51 | SP|Sorren | hmm |
| 03:57.57 | SP|Sorren | either of you use a gun? |
| 03:58.07 | SP|Sorren | for some reason, ammo pouch haste isn't apply to my gun |
| 03:58.09 | grimman | nop |
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| 03:58.15 | grimman | Hm |
| 03:58.20 | SP|Sorren | Serpent's Swiftness is, but the ammo pouch is not |
| 03:58.29 | grimman | That's bad, I was thinking of getting the rank14 gun. |
| 03:58.29 | SP|Sorren | interestingly enough, my crossbows get the right haste from teh ammo pouch |
| 03:58.35 | SP|Sorren | it is indeed bad. |
| 03:58.40 | SP|Sorren | i wholeheartedly agree ;P |
| 03:58.49 | SP|Sorren | think you can grab a gun and test for me? |
| 03:59.20 | grimman | WEEEEEELL... it might take a while, I dunno where to get one... or a pouch for that matter. :P |
| 03:59.39 | SP|Sorren | go to your gun salesman :P |
| 03:59.49 | SP|Sorren | just get a cheesy gun from the vendor ;p |
| 03:59.54 | SP|Sorren | they usually sell pouches too |
| 03:59.56 | grimman | Oh yes, cause I buy stuff from vendors. Check! |
| 03:59.57 | grimman | ;) |
| 04:00.23 | Guillotine | it costs like 10s and you're not actually going to use it, just test it :P |
| 04:00.48 | grimman | Still gonna take a while. |
| 04:00.57 | grimman | Logged in Zangarmarsh at the Cenarion camp. |
| 04:01.07 | SP|Sorren | ah ;( |
| 04:01.30 | grimman | I think I know a vendor in SW though, so I'll go there. ;D |
| 04:01.39 | Tuller | hrm, how in the world does clearfont cause tainting of the unit popup menu... |
| 04:02.36 | End | it's not for me |
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| 04:03.56 | Tuller | well, the second addon that was tainting it was levelator, it seemed |
| 04:04.11 | Tuller | so maybe it was that that made it misreport |
| 04:04.32 | End | possibly |
| 04:04.36 | End | it's happened before |
| 04:04.49 | End | (misreporting I mean) |
| 04:05.38 | grimman | Gun speed updated quite nicely, SP|Sorren. |
| 04:05.49 | Tuller | yep, still tainting |
| 04:06.03 | grimman | 2.10 without [Small Shot Pouch] (10% speed) -> 1.91. |
| 04:06.35 | SP|Sorren | weird |
| 04:06.40 | SP|Sorren | whats wrong with my gun then |
| 04:06.56 | End | is it possible it's just a specific pouch? |
| 04:07.22 | SP|Sorren | no, it's haste applies correctly to my crossbows and bows |
| 04:07.33 | SP|Sorren | it just doesn't seem to work with any of my guns |
| 04:08.23 | grimman | Lina Stover <Bow & Gun Merchant> in Stormwind sells a gun that works. ;D |
| 04:10.41 | SP|Sorren | guess ill head back to org and try there |
| 04:20.14 | SP|Sorren | you were right, it is the ammo pouch |
| 04:20.16 | SP|Sorren | how strange |
| 04:20.58 | grimman | What pouch are you using? |
| 04:21.07 | SP|Sorren | Smuggler's Ammo Pouch |
| 04:21.14 | SP|Sorren | from when you're Honored with the Consortium |
| 04:21.36 | SP|Sorren | they put it in this last push |
| 04:21.36 | SP|Sorren | i guess they forgot to test it ;p |
| 04:21.46 | grimman | Ah. |
| 04:22.41 | SP|Sorren | yah its wrong by thottbot lol |
| 04:22.52 | SP|Sorren | says it only works on bows/xbows |
| 04:26.08 | Tain | Woah Saturday Night Live - The Complete First Season on DVD! |
| 04:26.35 | grimman | SP|Sorren: The ammo pouch only works with arrow weapons? o_o |
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| 04:27.44 | MentalPower|Busy | GRR!!! I HATE ADDING FLUF TO AN ESSAY! |
| 04:27.57 | MentalPower|Busy | I already made my point clear, what more do ya want!?!? |
| 04:28.15 | grimman | Increase font size by .2. :P |
| 04:28.30 | End | and the spacing between each character |
| 04:28.52 | MentalPower|Busy | hmm... thats an idea (the inner char spacing) :) |
| 04:29.07 | End | :P |
| 04:30.17 | Mike-N-Go | And, also increase the line spacing by .02 |
| 04:30.38 | Mike-N-Go | Shorten the margens |
| 04:30.48 | Mike-N-Go | margins* |
| 04:31.32 | SP|Sorren | grimman: http://www.thottbot.com/beta?sp=29414 Smuggler's Ammo Pouch is on the list >< |
| 04:31.57 | grimman | lol |
| 04:32.29 | grimman | But the AV ammo pouch has 16 slots, surely you can live with that for a while? |
| 04:32.29 | grimman | ;> |
| 04:32.36 | SP|Sorren | i never bought it |
| 04:32.53 | SP|Sorren | and now you can't play av |
| 04:32.57 | SP|Sorren | and no one would play av anyway |
| 04:33.00 | SP|Sorren | so i can't get it >< |
| 04:33.09 | grimman | Sure you can. |
| 04:33.11 | SP|Sorren | i did however run there and get one on live today, just to avoid this problem. |
| 04:33.18 | grimman | There's a vendor outside the instance entrance. :P |
| 04:33.19 | SP|Sorren | you need av tokens to buy it |
| 04:33.22 | grimman | Oh... |
| 04:33.26 | grimman | :( |
| 04:33.32 | SP|Sorren | :( |
| 04:33.52 | grimman | Good thing you said that, I'll have to log my live-hunter now and get it before the patch hits. :P |
| 04:34.15 | Mike-N-Go | Why before the patch? |
| 04:34.24 | Thunder_Child | they will cost tokens and honor |
| 04:34.29 | Thunder_Child | afterwards |
| 04:34.35 | Mike-N-Go | Oh |
| 04:35.05 | SP|Sorren | yah, you'd best get it now |
| 04:35.12 | Thunder_Child | is rep still going to also be required after the patch or is that out as well? |
| 04:35.14 | SP|Sorren | the next 15% ammo pouch isn't until level 68 :/ |
| 04:35.20 | SP|Sorren | i don't think so |
| 04:36.05 | Thunder_Child | is a 4.5 sec spell now going to get over 100% of + spell dmg? |
| 04:36.11 | Thunder_Child | in patch/tbc? |
| 04:36.22 | Mike-N-Go | Will my beta key ever come, I submitted my request on 11/14/2006 at 03:18 AM |
| 04:36.54 | End | it might not |
| 04:37.23 | Thunder_Child | End, me or mike? |
| 04:37.33 | Mike-N-Go | What Thunder? |
| 04:37.38 | End | mike |
| 04:37.43 | Thunder_Child | ok |
| 04:37.58 | Thunder_Child | i was wondering who is answe was to mike, thats all |
| 04:38.04 | Thunder_Child | his answer* |
| 04:38.27 | grimman | Hehe, nobody in my guild online. |
| 04:38.34 | grimman | So nobody will know I logged on. ^^ |
| 04:38.43 | SP|Sorren | they can look at when you last logged on :P |
| 04:38.44 | grimman | This is the first time in months. |
| 04:38.51 | grimman | Does anyone ever do that? :P |
| 04:39.53 | SP|Sorren | my guild leader does |
| 04:39.59 | SP|Sorren | he purges you if you dont come on for like 3 months :P |
| 04:40.36 | grimman | Apparently that's not the case here. |
| 04:40.51 | grimman | I think this is the first time in 6 months I log on to this server. |
| 04:41.06 | grimman | On this char anyway, I have a rogue I do some exploration with. |
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| 04:50.31 | Inside | Anyone here run a guild website? |
| 04:50.36 | Inside | Looking for something to like... |
| 04:50.43 | Inside | a member list module for our webpage |
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| 04:57.58 | ckknight | hey all |
| 04:58.59 | SP|Sorren | hiya |
| 05:01.23 | Inside | >_> |
| 05:01.24 | Inside | Hmm |
| 05:01.26 | Inside | http://www.defendersofmodan.net/page.php?height=8500&url2=roster.defendersofmodan.net looks pretty interesting |
| 05:04.59 | Inside | except that it took nearly an effing minute to generate.. |
| 05:12.54 | Thunder_Child | huh, this is interesting "the self cast key is actually interpreted by the action button Lua code, not by the game internally." |
| 05:14.31 | ckknight | yea, that is interesting |
| 05:15.01 | ckknight | I still disagree, though. |
| 05:15.10 | Thunder_Child | with what? |
| 05:15.17 | ckknight | alt-shift-5 should be the same as alt-(click the button at shift-5) |
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| 05:16.14 | ckknight | imho |
| 05:16.33 | MentalPower|Busy | how do differenciate between alt+(shift-5) and shift+(alt-5)? |
| 05:17.25 | Thunder_Child | this is what he said if your interested http://blue.cardplace.com/newcache/us/50836046.htm |
| 05:18.03 | ckknight | MentalPower|Busy, well, you check the self-cast modifier first. |
| 05:18.11 | ckknight | take that out, see if the rest fits somewhere |
| 05:18.19 | ckknight | else go with the plain number |
| 05:18.33 | Thunder_Child | also it says "Please note, however, that no new PvP rewards will be unlocked for purchase with this final “old Honor System” calculation, regardless of any increase in rank." does this mean we can buy them before hand then wear them? |
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| 05:19.36 | SP|Sorren | Thunder_Child: sounds good, you should try it out lol |
| 05:19.38 | SP|Sorren | maybe ill try it out |
| 05:19.53 | Thunder_Child | i dunno, can we buy them before we have the required rank? |
| 05:20.02 | SP|Sorren | oh right, you can't :( |
| 05:20.08 | Saeris | Where can I find information on the new script handlers, such as OnCharComposition or OnHyperlinkEnter? |
| 05:20.12 | Nom- | If you have access to the rewards right now, you can buy them |
| 05:20.22 | Nom- | But if you're planning to rank up on Tuesday and then buy, then it won't work. |
| 05:23.51 | Thunder_Child | if they dont start the patching process at 12 am i will be rather iritated |
| 05:26.06 | Saeris | Looks like OnCharComposition is fired when text is removed or entered more than one character at a time, for anyone wondering. |
| 05:28.10 | Saeris | >_> Maybe not. Feh, I don't know. |
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| 05:42.47 | Saeris | ck, do you know what the OnCharComposition handler does? |
| 05:44.36 | ckknight | no, not really |
| 05:45.31 | Saeris | I can't seem to get it to trigger, and now my interest is piqued. |
| 05:45.47 | ckknight | paste text into it. |
| 05:46.05 | Guillotine | g2g, all gn :) |
| 05:46.19 | Guillotine | my comma jumped to the wrong place :( |
| 05:46.44 | ckknight | also, it could be for foreign keyboards, since WoW uses UTF-8, ü is two characters. |
| 05:47.36 | Saeris | Pasting did nothing, but that's a good point. It might be for the Alt-# character codes. |
| 05:48.44 | Saeris | Or perhaps not. That didn't trigger it either. How odd. |
| 05:49.06 | SP|Sorren | how interesting |
| 05:49.13 | SP|Sorren | you get horde v horde matchups in arena too :O |
| 05:49.19 | ckknight | yep. |
| 05:49.38 | SP|Sorren | i was ever so suprised to see a tauren warrior charging at me, i almost didnt know what to do! |
| 05:50.48 | ckknight | hehe. |
| 05:50.55 | ckknight | slice! |
| 05:51.06 | ckknight | what level is Arena for? |
| 05:52.44 | Cairenn | night guys |
| 05:52.52 | Saeris | 61-70 to my understand |
| 05:52.56 | Saeris | understaing* |
| 05:53.02 | Saeris | ...understanding* |
| 05:53.59 | ckknight | I think it'd be cooler if it were 10+ |
| 05:54.02 | ckknight | that's just me, though |
| 05:55.14 | SP|Sorren | i think its 61-69 |
| 05:55.20 | SP|Sorren | 70 has their own bracket |
| 05:55.27 | SP|Sorren | 60 also has their own bracket, iirc |
| 05:58.41 | MentalPower|Busy | <OnCharComposition> seems to be for IME (Asian char sets mostly) |
| 05:59.26 | Saeris | What does IME stand for? |
| 06:00.07 | malreth | input method... something |
| 06:00.11 | MentalPower|Busy | ~wtf IME |
| 06:00.13 | Saeris | Input Method Editor? Yes, that seems likely. |
| 06:00.18 | MentalPower|Busy | yes |
| 06:00.20 | MentalPower|Busy | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IME |
| 06:00.55 | malreth | asian characters require it |
| 06:01.31 | Saeris | Makes sense. One wonders, though, how it is implemented prior to 2.0. There is no such script handler in the classic API, to my knowledge. |
| 06:02.16 | malreth | hmm... |
| 06:02.34 | malreth | i wonder |
| 06:03.21 | malreth | wow probably doesn't use the OS's IME |
| 06:03.48 | malreth | so maybe something was coded in but just not scriptable |
| 06:03.55 | Saeris | Likely. |
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| 06:10.18 | grimman | http://loot.dlxmedia.net/?localcooling.png << Makes me wonder why I bought a 500w PSU. :( |
| 06:11.44 | Neuro_Medivh | that's false btw |
| 06:11.55 | Neuro_Medivh | got my cpu wrong |
| 06:12.40 | grimman | It's... a picture. |
| 06:12.42 | grimman | Of my setup. |
| 06:19.53 | Neuro_Medivh | Oh |
| 06:20.06 | Neuro_Medivh | thought it was something that was supposed to check my own settings |
| 06:21.50 | grimman | You can go to localcooling.com for that. |
| 06:21.57 | grimman | It's a windows app though. |
| 06:22.14 | SP|Sorren | only 6 watts for your vid card? |
| 06:22.39 | grimman | Apparently... but I wouldn't know. |
| 06:22.46 | grimman | It's not like I take hard measurements. |
| 06:23.36 | zenzelezz | I don't find that value particularly trustworthy o_O |
| 06:23.49 | zenzelezz | considering you need to plug the videocard into the PSU |
| 06:23.58 | grimman | Indeed. |
| 06:24.14 | SP|Sorren | bah |
| 06:24.17 | SP|Sorren | it sticks to monitor 1 |
| 06:24.20 | SP|Sorren | won't move to monitor 2 :( |
| 06:24.28 | grimman | Oh... I didn't think of that. |
| 06:24.32 | grimman | I have dual monitors too. |
| 06:24.51 | Thunder_Child | i prefer http://www.systemrequirementslab.com/referrer/srtest for tests |
| 06:25.00 | grimman | And to be frank, I have more harddrives than that. ;P |
| 06:25.33 | zenzelezz | my PSU usually survives power blinks, where most of the other computers reboot... that's my form of measurement :-p |
| 06:25.40 | grimman | Before SRTest and System Requirements Lab can analyze this computer you need to give your permission to download an ActiveX or Java Plug-in component called SysReqLab.cab or SRLApplet from Husdawg, LLC. For more information about this component, see below. You may need to disable any Pop-up blocker you are using in order to use this service. |
| 06:25.52 | grimman | No thanks. :P |
| 06:26.11 | Thunder_Child | it's harmles |
| 06:26.15 | Thunder_Child | harmless* |
| 06:26.29 | Thunder_Child | completely |
| 06:26.32 | grimman | And I don't have java nor an ActiveX capable browser. |
| 06:26.46 | Thunder_Child | oh, well in that case....nvm i will play nice |
| 06:26.52 | grimman | AND, I prefer stuff I can uninstall afterwards, not some mysterious applet that gets absorbed by the OS for eternity. |
| 06:26.59 | SP|Sorren | NooooOoo~! I fail the recommended requirements for Yu Gi Oh online! |
| 06:27.03 | SP|Sorren | guess i'll stick to WoW. |
| 06:27.37 | Thunder_Child | you can uninstall it afterwards, if you know how |
| 06:27.39 | SP|Sorren | wierd, i thought the x800 series was dx8.1 compliant |
| 06:27.42 | Saeris | The only good thing to come of that entire franchise was that set of parody dubs. |
| 06:27.59 | SP|Sorren | in fact, im pretty sure its dx9 compliant |
| 06:29.03 | grimman | I would think so too. :P |
| 06:29.07 | grimman | Afaik my card is, and it's older. |
| 06:29.53 | SP|Sorren | maybe it screws up because its an all in wonder |
| 06:29.58 | SP|Sorren | and the srtest doesn't know what to do ;o |
| 06:31.37 | malreth | SP|Sorren: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w71V2E3VC5s |
| 06:31.51 | malreth | there's your Yu Gi Oh online |
| 06:32.42 | malreth | http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=LittleKuriboh&page=3 if you want to watch the rest of them |
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| 06:34.01 | grimman | lol @ "we could email every computer within a 100 mile radius!" |
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| 06:37.01 | SP|Sorren | malreth: lol |
| 06:39.08 | malreth | I hope it's not one of those cursed videotapes that's all the rage now... ~~~seven daaaays~~~ OH SNAP! |
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| 06:52.05 | grimman | *faint* |
| 06:52.11 | grimman | Just heard one of my harddrives spin down. |
| 06:52.42 | grimman | It clicked a bit and whirred, and then silence. Took me a while to realized it hadn't just died. |
| 06:52.46 | grimman | realize* |
| 06:55.14 | MentalPower|Busy | power conserve? |
| 06:55.21 | grimman | Apparently so, yes. |
| 06:55.48 | grimman | I installed that power save app I linked earlier and apparently the settings persist even after it's been uninstalled, much like I assumed. |
| 06:55.55 | grimman | Didn't make me any more prepared for it though. |
| 06:56.00 | MentalPower|Busy | I'm trying to get my laptop's DVD drive to have a longer inactivity spin down timer, any ideas? |
| 06:56.09 | grimman | Absolutely. |
| 06:56.12 | MentalPower|Busy | cause it spins down after about 5 secs of inactivity |
| 06:56.21 | grimman | Do you mind accepting random executables from semi strangers? :P |
| 06:56.43 | MentalPower|Busy | source would be better :) |
| 06:57.01 | grimman | Can't help you with that. |
| 06:57.03 | grimman | http://loot.dlxmedia.net/?DriveSpeed.zip |
| 06:57.15 | grimman | It's a part of Ahead's Nero suite. |
| 06:58.05 | MentalPower|Busy | shoud've said that beforehand, I happen to have Nero |
| 06:58.05 | Saeris | I'm looking for a single regular expression that matches both "[item {55}]" and "[item]", but not "[item 55]", capturing the text and the number. The closest I've gotten is "%[(.-)([%s{+%d}+]-)%]", which meets the first and second requirements but fails the third. Am I missing something obvious? |
| 06:58.10 | MentalPower|Busy | never knew that was there |
| 06:58.33 | grimman | Oh, you're in luck then. ;) |
| 06:58.55 | grimman | Saeris: Can you do (expression|other expression)? |
| 06:59.25 | Saeris | I'm not sure Lua allows that. I'll try. |
| 06:59.30 | grimman | MentalPower|Busy: One finds such things when deleting "extras". |
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| 07:00.03 | grimman | My total Photoshop CS2 with Bridge folder size is <94 megs. ;D |
| 07:00.15 | MentalPower|Busy | no, lua doesn't support "|" |
| 07:00.45 | s|loup | morning |
| 07:00.45 | MentalPower|Busy | I should try that sometime |
| 07:03.04 | Saeris | So basically there's no way to do this except to make two separate calls to a regex function? |
| 07:03.45 | grimman | Apparently not. :( |
| 07:03.51 | Thunder_Child | morning s|loup |
| 07:05.53 | Nom- | Why wouldn't LUA Regex support '|' |
| 07:05.57 | Nom- | Unless it's a borken implimentation |
| 07:06.58 | Iriel | It's a very small implementation |
| 07:07.51 | ckknight | it's small and fast |
| 07:07.55 | ckknight | it's not meant to be rege x |
| 07:07.56 | ckknight | regex* |
| 07:08.02 | ckknight | it's meant to be "like" regex |
| 07:08.09 | ckknight | it does what it's meant to well |
| 07:08.18 | ckknight | even if it doesn't support all the standard regex features. |
| 07:08.23 | Mike-N-Go | Humm |
| 07:08.24 | Nom- | That's a shame |
| 07:08.45 | Nom- | It's not like the standard regex library is slow |
| 07:08.56 | Mike-N-Go | Some person who I am talking to thinks that ThottBot is more towards Blizzards wishes then Auctioneer; what do you think? |
| 07:09.05 | ckknight | frankly, I would rather have lua use standard regexes. |
| 07:09.11 | pastamancer | Saeris: tell me more about the string you're trying to match |
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| 07:11.40 | Saeris | Well, basically it's used for quick chat linking. The text [iron ore] would be replaced with the real link for Iron Ore, for instance. The numbers at the end represent the level of the item to match, in cases where there are items of different levels which have the same name, like the WSG dagger rewards. |
| 07:12.48 | Saeris | [scout's blade 48] would match the level 48 version of Scout's Blade, [scout's blade 28] the level 28 version, and [scout's blade] the first occurance of the item's name in the database which the pairs() function comes across. |
| 07:13.41 | pastamancer | what would [scout's blade {48}] be? |
| 07:14.45 | Inside | bork! |
| 07:15.34 | Saeris | Er yeah, I meant to explain that. The level used to be parsed by just seeing if the last two characters in the string between the brackets represented a valid integer. I changed the format to require curly braces aroun the level, to prevent accidental level matching of items whose full names end in numbers. |
| 07:17.10 | Saeris | So [scout's blade {48}] is simply the new syntax for [scout's blade 48]. |
| 07:17.47 | pastamancer | ah |
| 07:18.09 | grimman | Why not just cheat? Pop up a selection window if there are multiple options. :P |
| 07:18.15 | MentalPower|Busy | are there any items that end in numbers? |
| 07:19.20 | Saeris | I don't think there are in the classic client, but I'm almost certain I saw some goblin quest reward from Area 52 whose name ended in "52" |
| 07:21.47 | Saeris | grimman: That's a pretty good idea, I might end up doing that. |
| 07:22.42 | grimman | Cheater. |
| 07:22.44 | grimman | ;) |
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| 07:41.37 | pastamancer | Saeris: http://pastey.net/2852 |
| 07:45.22 | Saeris | That is awesome. Thanks! |
| 07:46.26 | pastamancer | never underestimate the power of inverted sets when dealing with delimiters |
| 07:48.11 | pastamancer | unfortunately, you'll still have to sanity-check the value of the second capture since that isn't restricting it to numbers |
| 07:49.27 | MentalPower|Busy | gnight guys |
| 07:49.31 | grimman | nn |
| 07:51.03 | Thunder_Child | Night Mental |
| 07:51.08 | Saeris | Yep, not a problem though. The function I provide to string.gsub uses tonumber() on the second argument (the level) regardless before checking its validity, since something like "48" could be passed instead of 48. |
| 07:52.02 | pastamancer | well, assuming you never run into an item named [foo {bar}], you'll be fine. |
| 07:52.28 | Saeris | Indeed. |
| 07:53.30 | pastamancer | you could change the [^}] to a %d, but then [foo {bar}] wouldn't be matched at all |
| 07:57.06 | pastamancer | Either way, you have to make some assumptions about your input because string.find is no substitue for a proper parser (not that you really need one). Anyways, it's sleep time. |
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| 08:05.06 | ckknight | anyone run into "Unable to send chat to %s because your message contained reserved words."? What are the reserved words? |
| 08:07.12 | krka | probably imba, noob, zomg and /spit |
| 08:07.39 | ckknight | nope. |
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| 08:08.40 | Saeris | Are you asking because you're reading through GlobalStrings.lua, or because you actually got that message? |
| 08:08.47 | ckknight | I got the message. |
| 08:08.50 | Saeris | I've never gotten it in-game... hm. |
| 08:08.59 | ckknight | sent a serialized AceComm string |
| 08:09.00 | Mike-N-Go | I just talked to a GM, I asked if Uploading or Viewing data from a site like ThoottBot is non-banable, he said, "No, it is not against any policy to contribute to those sites." |
| 08:09.15 | Saeris | What was the message, ck? Any idea? |
| 08:09.29 | ckknight | hang on, game crashed |
| 08:10.07 | Mike-N-Go | What yah think of that? |
| 08:10.25 | ckknight | Mike-N-Go, that's what I figured. |
| 08:11.00 | Mike-N-Go | Section 4, Part A. Subject to the license granted hereunder, you may not, in whole or in part, copy, photocopy, reproduce, translate, reverse engineer, derive source code from, modify, disassemble, decompile, or create derivative works based on the Game, or remove any proprietary notices or labels on the Game. Failure to comply with the restrictions and limitations contained in this Section 4 shall result in the immediate, automatic termination of the |
| 08:11.06 | Mike-N-Go | Opps |
| 08:12.19 | Mike-N-Go | But they are 'mining' the wow data files for info, correct? |
| 08:12.38 | Mike-N-Go | And Section 2, Part C, Subsection iii. use any third-party software that intercepts, "mines", or otherwise collects information from or through World of Warcraft |
| 08:12.39 | ckknight | no, they're not, they have addons that track data. |
| 08:13.01 | Mike-N-Go | What about http://www.wowwatcher.com/violate then? |
| 08:13.51 | Mery | http://blue.cardplace.com/newcache/us/47196420.htm |
| 08:14.15 | ckknight | here's the message that is blocked: "/\137\016\009b\001\001\009u.m3'\216mF\023AD\001\242D\002\015\015\004te\015t//////////\015\007Moo\015term\162;\250by\176" |
| 08:14.45 | Mike-N-Go | Why is that blocked? |
| 08:15.02 | Mike-N-Go | And what message is that part of? |
| 08:15.41 | Saeris | What does \250 escape? |
| 08:16.39 | MoonWolf | stuff |
| 08:16.53 | ckknight | non-ASCII char, Saeris |
| 08:17.54 | Saeris | You could iterate through all of the escaped characters in the string, whispering them to yourself one at a time until it errors. |
| 08:18.38 | ckknight | just did. |
| 08:18.51 | ckknight | none do that except \124 (pipe) and \010 (\n) |
| 08:19.06 | Saeris | The pipe errors? |
| 08:19.16 | ckknight | the pipe has issues. |
| 08:19.17 | Mery | well if the poster in the post i linked is correct and it's against gold spammers i doubt they tell you (because you could thn work around their filter) |
| 08:19.20 | Mike-N-Go | What is this, what does whispering that do to yourself? |
| 08:19.44 | ckknight | "Unable to send chat to %s because your message contained reserved words." |
| 08:19.54 | Saeris | Well, the pipe is used in item links... that doesn't make sense that it would error like that. |
| 08:22.09 | Mery | and somehow I feel they won't fix it because "whisper addon communication isn't encouraged" |
| 08:22.50 | Mike-N-Go | I am not following you guys, what are you talking about ¿ |
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| 08:23.11 | VoidRaider | morning :) |
| 08:23.22 | Mery | one chat filter blizzard is using to battle gold spammers tandomly blocks addon data |
| 08:23.45 | Mery | randomly* |
| 08:24.02 | Thunder_Child | stop trying to spam gold in your mods then Mery |
| 08:24.10 | VoidRaider | lol |
| 08:24.17 | Mery | but but how do I feed my family? |
| 08:24.41 | Thunder_Child | like everyone else, you sell yourself |
| 08:25.34 | Saeris | For me, \010 doesn't error, it just kicks me. And \124 just gives me an "invalid escape code" error instead of that "reserved words" one. |
| 08:26.23 | ckknight_ | yea, that's what I get, Saeris |
| 08:26.41 | ckknight_ | I never said that pipe or \010 give me reserved words error |
| 08:26.48 | Saeris | Oh. |
| 08:26.50 | ckknight_ | the message I put up before gives me that. |
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| 08:27.11 | Saeris | I misread then. |
| 08:27.34 | Saeris | Did you figure out what part of that message *does* produce the error, though? |
| 08:27.44 | ckknight_ | no |
| 08:27.46 | ckknight_ | not yet |
| 08:27.53 | ckknight_ | and I just downloaded The Daily Show |
| 08:28.43 | Thunder_Child | which means, it aint hapening any time soon |
| 08:29.03 | Thunder_Child | or maybe happening* |
| 08:30.34 | Inside | Oh dear god |
| 08:30.38 | Inside | whores of warcraft is real |
| 08:30.40 | Inside | 0_o |
| 08:31.25 | Saeris | You doubted for a second the insanity of the internet? |
| 08:31.28 | Inside | Yes. |
| 08:31.29 | Inside | Well |
| 08:31.30 | Inside | ... |
| 08:31.31 | Inside | But.. |
| 08:31.35 | Inside | "Rogues do it from behind"... |
| 08:31.48 | Saeris | Indubitably. |
| 08:33.36 | Thunder_Child | ~emulate malreth |
| 08:33.40 | purl | as long as it's not anal-related, it's fine |
| 08:33.47 | Inside | ...... |
| 08:33.54 | Inside | how strangely fitting |
| 08:34.07 | Thunder_Child | indeed, though he used to have more... |
| 08:34.19 | Thunder_Child | ~literal emulate malreth |
| 08:34.20 | purl | "emulate malreth" is "<reply>(Uh... No. Malreth scares me.|i have yet to find any olsen twin porn...|as long as it's not anal-related, it's fine|that makes me sticky in the pants|i never thought of myself as narcissistic but you know what? I AM!)" |
| 08:34.34 | Thunder_Child | huh, always seems to be the same one for some reason |
| 08:34.44 | Inside | ~emulate inside |
| 08:34.49 | Inside | <_< |
| 08:34.54 | Saeris | It doesn't like you. |
| 08:34.55 | Thunder_Child | ~emulate Thunder_Child |
| 08:34.57 | purl | Save your breath ...you'll need it to blow up your date |
| 08:35.52 | Thunder_Child | purl, emulate Inside is "<reply>ummm..what?" |
| 08:35.53 | purl | okay, Thunder_Child |
| 08:35.59 | Thunder_Child | ~emulate Inside |
| 08:36.00 | purl | rumour has it, emulate inside is "<reply>ummm..what?" |
| 08:36.05 | Thunder_Child | bah |
| 08:36.11 | Esamynn | hehe |
| 08:36.16 | Thunder_Child | brb in dm, will fix |
| 08:36.32 | Inside | Bah, um what sucks. |
| 08:36.41 | Inside | I'm all about getting person al and grope-y |
| 08:36.41 | Thunder_Child | well think of something then |
| 08:36.45 | MoonWolf | ~emulate me |
| 08:36.46 | purl | Emulate you? I dont think I can dumb myself down that much! |
| 08:36.48 | Inside | I'm all about getting personal and grope-y |
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| 08:37.43 | Thunder_Child | wb ck |
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| 08:46.26 | Thunder_Child | purl, no, emulate Inside is <reply>10 01I'm all about getting personal and grope-y |
| 08:46.28 | purl | Thunder_Child: okay |
| 08:46.35 | Thunder_Child | ~emulate Inside |
| 08:46.37 | purl | 10 01I'm all about getting personal and grope-y |
| 08:46.47 | Thunder_Child | .... |
| 08:46.58 | Thunder_Child | ~literal emulate Inside |
| 08:47.00 | purl | "emulate inside" is "<reply>10 01I'm all about getting personal and grope-y" |
| 08:47.10 | Thunder_Child | purl, no, emulate Inside is <reply>I'm all about getting personal and grope-y |
| 08:47.11 | purl | Thunder_Child: okay |
| 08:47.15 | Thunder_Child | ~emulate Inside |
| 08:47.16 | purl | I'm all about getting personal and grope-y |
| 08:47.22 | Thunder_Child | stupid white space |
| 08:48.18 | Thunder_Child | purl, no, emulate Inside is "<reply>I'm all about getting personal and grope-y|<reply>Like MCI I like to reach out and 'touch' someone." |
| 08:48.19 | purl | Thunder_Child: okay |
| 08:48.23 | Thunder_Child | ~emulate Inside |
| 08:48.24 | purl | i heard emulate inside is "<reply>I'm all about getting personal and grope-y|<reply>Like MCI I like to reach out and 'touch' someone." |
| 08:48.29 | Thunder_Child | .... |
| 08:48.53 | Saeris | hahah |
| 08:49.31 | Thunder_Child | ~literal emulate Thunder_Child |
| 08:49.33 | purl | "emulate thunder_child" is "<reply>(see emulate1 Thunder_Child|see emulate2 Thunder_Child)" |
| 08:50.15 | Thunder_Child | ~literal emu;ate1 Thunder_Child |
| 08:50.21 | Inside | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:50.22 | Thunder_Child | ~literal emulate1 Thunder_Child |
| 08:50.23 | purl | "emulate1 thunder_child" is "(<reply>Let me guess... Your parients are cousins|<reply>Save your breath ...you'll need it to blow up your date|<reply>People likeyou are the reason people like me needmedication)" |
| 08:50.38 | Thunder_Child | purl, no, emulate Inside is "(<reply>I'm all about getting personal and grope-y|<reply>Like MCI I like to reach out and 'touch' someone.)" |
| 08:50.39 | purl | okay, Thunder_Child |
| 08:50.44 | Thunder_Child | ~emulate Inside |
| 08:50.45 | purl | well, emulate inside is "<reply>I'm all about getting personal and grope-y" |
| 08:50.48 | MoonWolf | TC, take it to pm's! |
| 08:50.59 | Thunder_Child | meh |
| 08:51.05 | Saeris | The bot replies to PMs? |
| 08:51.06 | Mery | ckknight: the shortest I message I could get the reserved error for your string is: "m\162y" and it looks like it an be anything like "m"..string.."\162"..string2.."y" |
| 08:51.09 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 08:51.11 | MoonWolf | yes he does. |
| 08:51.22 | Thunder_Child | she, get it right |
| 08:51.35 | Mery | will give the reserved error |
| 08:51.40 | Nom- | It's a shemale |
| 08:51.58 | cryogen | http://blue.cardplace.com/newcache/us/47196420.htm |
| 08:52.29 | ckknight | hrm, Mery |
| 08:52.35 | Saeris | Hrm indeed. |
| 08:53.14 | Thunder_Child | oh, in answer to your question before, MCI is a telephone (or was) company in the US, and their phrase was "Reach out and touch someone" (as in call them) |
| 08:54.07 | Saeris | "m\162y" doesn't give me the error when I use it as such: /script SendChatMessage("m\162y", "Guild") Does it only occur when sending the message to a custom channel, or what? |
| 08:54.14 | Mery | oh well now my client crashed |
| 08:54.20 | Mery | and i had to restart |
| 08:54.31 | Mery | and don't get the error for m\162 anymore |
| 08:54.35 | Mery | m\162y |
| 08:54.40 | Saeris | How very odd. |
| 08:55.09 | Mery | no sorry |
| 08:55.17 | Mery | my script was fubar because it didn't save |
| 08:56.13 | Mery | oh and it looks like it is "m\162"..string.."y" |
| 08:57.16 | Saeris | It still doesn't error for me. |
| 08:57.24 | Saeris | Which channel are you sending it to? |
| 08:57.31 | Mery | whsiper to myself |
| 08:57.42 | Mike-N-Go | Why are we debugging? |
| 08:58.10 | MoonWolf | because we do not like the bugs. |
| 08:58.47 | Saeris | Still no luck. /script SendChatMessage("m\162stringy", "Whisper", nil, "Shirly") does not error, nor does /script SendChatMessage("m\162"..string.."y", "Whisper", nil, "Shirly") |
| 08:58.49 | Thunder_Child | ok Inside, all done |
| 08:59.20 | Mery | can't use /script because \162 isn't one byte but gets escaped to \\162 |
| 08:59.32 | Saeris | aw hell, I forgot about that. |
| 08:59.50 | Mery | to guild it just doesn't send for me, no error |
| 09:01.48 | Inside | ~emulate inside |
| 09:01.49 | purl | I'm all about getting personal and grope-y |
| 09:01.54 | Inside | :P |
| 09:02.13 | Thunder_Child | .... |
| 09:02.27 | Thunder_Child | ~hello purl |
| 09:02.54 | Thunder_Child | ~botsnack |
| 09:02.54 | purl | Thunder_Child: :) |
| 09:03.10 | Saeris | Anyone know a way to determine the faction of the player aside from GetDefaultLanguage()? |
| 09:03.10 | Thunder_Child | oh!, for THAT you make noises |
| 09:03.40 | MoonWolf | get its race ? |
| 09:04.08 | Saeris | Is that available before PLAYER_LOGIN? |
| 09:04.44 | MoonWolf | I would not think so. |
| 09:06.04 | ckknight | Mery, string.char(162) |
| 09:06.07 | Mery | UnitFactionGroup("player") but probably avaiable the same time as race |
| 09:06.25 | ckknight | I know how to find faction before PLAYER_LOGIN |
| 09:06.32 | MoonWolf | please tell. |
| 09:06.40 | Mery | what is with string.char(162)? |
| 09:07.10 | ckknight | local race = UnitRace("player"); local faction = (race == "Orc" or race == "Scourge" or race == "Troll" or race == "Tauren" or race == "BloodElf") and FACTION_HORDE or FACTION_ALLIANCE |
| 09:07.18 | ckknight | ;-) |
| 09:07.31 | ckknight | works at the start. |
| 09:07.42 | ckknight | that's how AceDB figures out faction. |
| 09:07.46 | Saeris | Kickass, thanks. |
| 09:09.26 | Mery | oh you mean how to do it in the /script yeah but it is easier to just get an ingmae lua editor =P |
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| 09:10.19 | Saeris | Which editor would you recommend? I do most of my debugging by calling functions through the chat edit box, but I guess a real editor would work better. |
| 09:11.19 | Mery | at the moment i use luaslinger but im the wrong person to ask i just downloaded the first i found :) |
| 09:16.03 | Mike-N-Go | I like TextWrangle for Mac |
| 09:16.32 | Thunder_Child | SciTE or some thing like that |
| 09:16.45 | Thunder_Child | good one |
| 09:16.57 | Mery | well outside of wow I use scite |
| 09:16.58 | VoidRaider | Eclipse though Mery was refering to in-game editor ? :P |
| 09:17.09 | Thunder_Child | thought they made an ingame port of it |
| 09:17.21 | zenzelezz | O_o |
| 09:17.34 | VoidRaider | I think that once I'll have the time I'll write a plug-in for VS2005 |
| 09:17.48 | VoidRaider | I know there is one outthere I have it but it's awful |
| 09:18.20 | VoidRaider | VS FTW :P |
| 09:18.51 | VoidRaider | Though Eclipse is a very powerful editor :) |
| 09:19.10 | ckknight | Eclipse is a beast. |
| 09:19.19 | VoidRaider | does SciTE have projects browser ? |
| 09:20.17 | VoidRaider | I think I wanted to use it for LUA and I haven't seen the projects browser so I deleted it :P |
| 09:20.52 | Thunder_Child | oh, my bad, no ingame port, just happens to be un on wowi |
| 09:20.56 | Thunder_Child | up* |
| 09:21.07 | VoidRaider | :P |
| 09:21.25 | Thunder_Child | http://www.scintilla.org/SciTE.html |
| 09:21.35 | Mike-N-Go | oh, my bad, no ingame port, just happens to be un on wowi |
| 09:21.35 | Mike-N-Go | s/un/up/ |
| 09:21.39 | Thunder_Child | and whatever http://gisdeveloper.tripod.com/scite.html is |
| 09:21.53 | Thunder_Child | ya ya, i am to lazy to use purl atm |
| 09:22.44 | VoidRaider | I actually want one addon that does it all, showing every available information there is within the lua environment that includes built-in lua editor lol :P |
| 09:22.56 | zenzelezz | the fact that purl *can* "correct" what you say doesn't mean you have to |
| 09:23.03 | VoidRaider | I guess I ask too much :P |
| 09:31.21 | VoidRaider | Last night I wrote a suggestion, that is addin a namespace to LUA, now I can do that using setfenv, or include my code inside a table and simulate it, anyone who worked with Java, C# would understand the way I want it to work, what do you think ? |
| 09:34.20 | MoonWolf | i think our current tools are fine. |
| 09:35.25 | Saeris | I don't think that's really necessary. |
| 09:35.53 | VoidRaider | and why not ? |
| 09:36.30 | Saeris | The better question is, why? What are you going to use it for? |
| 09:36.52 | VoidRaider | omit the namespace explicitly ? |
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| 09:38.06 | VoidRaider | Have you ever wrote using C#, Java ? |
| 09:39.04 | Saeris | Different languages call for different paradigms. I see no reason why Lua, being a scripting language, needs that kind of support. Admittedly, I don't have much experience from your point of view. |
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| 09:41.28 | VoidRaider | I know it's more a language syntax request but I thought to hear an opinion from C#, Java users who actually use it daily |
| 09:42.21 | Saeris | Fair enough. |
| 09:54.31 | ckknight | VoidRaider, you can make namespaces using lua's table structures. |
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| 09:57.20 | VoidRaider | I know I'm doing that right now mate :P |
| 09:58.13 | ckknight_ | blah |
| 10:00.27 | VoidRaider | What if you wanted to use the same namespace over few pages ? you would have to specifiy the whole hierarchy like AddonName.Lib:SomeFunction now if you use want to save writing you can put the functions inside the table and it's all good, but once you will do that in another page you will erase the previous table and replace it with another |
| 10:01.13 | VoidRaider | if you want* |
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| 10:02.49 | Saeris | Make upvalues that point to each part of the table, as necessary? local Library = AddonName.Lib; |
| 10:02.51 | ckknight | page? |
| 10:04.08 | VoidRaider | Yeah I know Saeris and I wrote it on my suggestion using 'Alias' by local variables it's helping but not omitting it :P |
| 10:05.27 | VoidRaider | Yeah pages, creating the code over spread number of pages :) |
| 10:08.06 | [Ammo] | question remains, page? |
| 10:09.05 | VoidRaider | What you don't understand ? :P are you writing your whole code in one page ? I don't |
| 10:09.49 | [Ammo] | there are no pages |
| 10:09.51 | [Ammo] | there's files |
| 10:09.53 | nevcairiel | which editor does actually split up code in pages ? I split it up in files .. :D |
| 10:10.00 | VoidRaider | ah well |
| 10:10.02 | VoidRaider | ok :) |
| 10:10.04 | [Ammo] | unless you're coding in Word |
| 10:10.07 | nevcairiel | hah |
| 10:10.13 | ckknight | which you should never, ever do |
| 10:10.23 | Saeris | dooooom |
| 10:10.23 | VoidRaider | it's like saying there is no folders there are directories ? |
| 10:10.34 | ckknight | pages are not files. |
| 10:10.36 | nevcairiel | thats the same |
| 10:10.42 | VoidRaider | hmm ok |
| 10:10.47 | VoidRaider | my bad then :P |
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| 12:06.42 | KarlKFI | so... next week, eh? |
| 12:07.04 | KarlKFI | that's not very nice of them to schedule a patch on a day I have 2 finals |
| 12:08.43 | Industrial | KarlKFI: what day? |
| 12:08.50 | Industrial | thursday? |
| 12:09.17 | KarlKFI | tues is the 5th, no? |
| 12:10.21 | Industrial | thats what im asking. when? |
| 12:10.27 | Industrial | dec 5? |
| 12:10.42 | KarlKFI | look at the topic |
| 12:10.58 | axxo | tbc is released in the middle of my exams :( |
| 12:11.12 | Kirkburn | (6th for EU, of course) |
| 12:11.15 | Industrial | KarlKFI: a simple yes .. sigh.. frustration :p |
| 12:20.19 | Thunder_Child | Industrial, yes tues dec. 5th |
| 12:20.24 | Thunder_Child | prolly at 12 am |
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| 12:26.41 | Kaso | theres no quick way to do table:"function name as string" is there? im just gonna have to interate over myself |
| 12:28.42 | Kaso | nm |
| 12:28.44 | Kaso | im stupid |
| 12:29.04 | Kaso | the functions are indexed by string arent they |
| 12:29.07 | Industrial | a['']() |
| 12:29.19 | Industrial | functions are values so you can call them |
| 12:29.27 | Industrial | like that |
| 12:29.28 | Industrial | :p |
| 12:47.05 | Mery | ckknight: ping |
| 13:18.43 | Josh_Borke | morning! |
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| 13:35.47 | Kaso | arrg, i cant for the life of my work out why this MoneyFrame is miss-alinged :< |
| 13:41.37 | Kaso | http://kasoo.net/img/imgs/moneyframe.png grrr |
| 13:41.51 | Kaso | the point is set correctly, 4,0 from the last TextLeft Line |
| 13:46.21 | Elessdy | ah, being a CS major is interesting |
| 13:46.27 | Elessdy | hello again, 7am |
| 13:47.05 | Mery | Kaso can you pastey your code? just guessing is kind of annoying :) |
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| 13:58.51 | Kaso | all of it? |
| 14:00.26 | Mery | no just the part where you set the money frame and mybe how you create it |
| 14:00.35 | Mery | maybe* |
| 14:01.03 | Kaso | I dont create it, i simply show the default one again after i've ClearLine()'d the tooltip |
| 14:01.19 | Mery | then just how you set it :) |
| 14:01.30 | Mery | (im not even sure I can help but i wanna look at it) |
| 14:02.03 | Kaso | http://pastey.net/2857# |
| 14:02.13 | Kaso | thats sorta what you want i think |
| 14:03.38 | Mery | well if you use the commented out code to set the point |
| 14:03.57 | Mery | wait no |
| 14:03.59 | Mery | lol |
| 14:04.25 | Kaso | i was just playing with manually setting the point, it didnt work too well |
| 14:04.50 | Mery | well that code off by one line |
| 14:04.50 | Josh_Borke | why do you add a line before showing the money frame? |
| 14:05.16 | Kaso | why wouldnt i? |
| 14:05.58 | Mery | because i+1 and the last line having a text that is true (" ") it will be off by one line |
| 14:06.03 | Josh_Borke | dunno. that's why i'm asking :-D |
| 14:07.04 | Kaso | i see the point about the I+1 yeh but the " " line is there so theres a gap for the moneyframe to fit into |
| 14:07.54 | Mery | i know thats exactly like blizzard does it |
| 14:08.20 | Kaso | lemme try the setpoint with i-1 |
| 14:08.46 | Kaso | need to find a vendor |
| 14:13.46 | Kaso | bingo |
| 14:13.53 | Kaso | think thats solved that |
| 14:14.12 | Kaso | thanks Mery |
| 14:14.15 | Josh_Borke | =D |
| 14:14.19 | Josh_Borke | yay for kaso |
| 14:15.03 | Kaso | now i just gotta work out why its reporting all my items have 2times as much mana5 as they do then im set |
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| 14:19.03 | Kaso | ah gotit :> |
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| 14:30.09 | Mery | :) |
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| 14:37.11 | Kaso | arg, i solve one bug and find another |
| 14:37.14 | Kaso | i hate tooltips |
| 14:37.42 | Josh_Borke | lol |
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| 14:38.55 | |FF|Im2good4u | lol |
| 14:39.01 | |FF|Im2good4u | happents to all of us |
| 14:39.04 | |FF|Im2good4u | i think |
| 14:39.56 | Josh_Borke | nope, not me :-P |
| 14:40.06 | |FF|Im2good4u | :( |
| 14:40.34 | |FF|Im2good4u | i need to find out why my nick rab compelter doesnt always know the names :( |
| 14:43.12 | Mery | i'd bet because you mistyped the first 2 to 3 letters already :) |
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| 14:46.19 | |FF|Im2good4u | :( |
| 14:46.27 | |FF|Im2good4u | no that not realy it |
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| 14:58.18 | Kaso | ok, im stumped |
| 14:58.27 | Kaso | for some reason my ItemRefTooltip is vanishing |
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| 15:00.10 | malreth | wooo! Farmbuyer is fun! |
| 15:00.20 | malreth | i can't help but want to tease him |
| 15:01.21 | malreth | if he wants to cry and play the victim... I'll MAKE him a victim... |
| 15:01.31 | Kaso | who? |
| 15:01.52 | malreth | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=50836046&sid=1&pageNo=1 |
| 15:02.02 | malreth | People ask for a solution to the alt-cast problem |
| 15:02.14 | malreth | i propose a solution that works with the new secure templates |
| 15:02.37 | Kaso | If anyone can help (Mery maybe :>) http://pastey.net/2858 so, i have a tooltip up, when JTips:Toggle(true) is called it should re-draw the tooltip with Default layout, then when JTips:Toggle(false) is called it should be put back to the layout done by JTips:ReWriteTooltip |
| 15:02.37 | malreth | he goes ape shit because it's "different" and "hard" and people shouldn't be "expected to understand" this |
| 15:04.05 | malreth | i lightly flame him |
| 15:04.17 | malreth | then he responds by saying he's ignored me |
| 15:04.23 | malreth | i test that by replying to him |
| 15:04.44 | cogwheel | "i'm ignoring you" comes from the same mindset as "i'm quitting" |
| 15:04.45 | malreth | and he responds to me... meaning he's just as "all-talk" and I figured |
| 15:05.04 | malreth | s/" and/" as/ |
| 15:05.06 | Mery | quitting should be a filtered word on the forum |
| 15:05.24 | Corrodias | i was just reading that thread :) |
| 15:05.32 | Corrodias | you won, apparently |
| 15:05.47 | malreth | oh yeah.. he edited and said he's ignoring AAAND quitting |
| 15:06.12 | malreth | damn... that's like a slam dunk in the forum trolling olympics |
| 15:06.26 | malreth | i RULE at arguing over the internets |
| 15:06.43 | Corrodias | hahah |
| 15:08.24 | malreth | whoa! |
| 15:08.42 | malreth | not that i'm a die-hard acey or anything... but why? |
| 15:08.48 | Industrial | couldnt hold up my 'nice' screen anymore to users. |
| 15:08.59 | malreth | you had a nice screen?' |
| 15:08.59 | Industrial | wowace used to be all about 'lets help eachother make addons' |
| 15:09.03 | malreth | :D |
| 15:09.12 | Industrial | wowace is now 'make my addon now. custom fit.' |
| 15:09.21 | malreth | aaah |
| 15:09.21 | Industrial | lusers |
| 15:09.37 | Mery | Kaso: what is your problem right now? |
| 15:09.40 | Industrial | i cant stand that. it was all small and nice community etc. |
| 15:09.49 | Industrial | not anymore |
| 15:09.51 | malreth | that's why I only develop for myself. :) |
| 15:09.57 | Industrial | malreth: right |
| 15:09.58 | Kaso | when JTips:Toggle(false) is called ItemRefTooltip vanishes |
| 15:10.15 | Industrial | malreth: i hardly release anything, but peopel seem to like my idInterface now :> |
| 15:10.16 | Corrodias | well, you did mention that you were thinking about taking a crack at the "automatic macro writer" later |
| 15:10.36 | malreth | Corrodias: yeah, i actually plan on doing that |
| 15:10.37 | Josh_Borke | Industrial: i agree. I liked ace because of the congregation of like-minded developers. now it has grown to more than just developers |
| 15:11.01 | malreth | i don't think i'll have to write an automatic macro writer, though |
| 15:11.11 | malreth | it should be possible with the unit attributes |
| 15:11.14 | Corrodias | i have that faint hope that slouken will somehow change the modifiers back and make a signed self-caster like i mentioned, but i'm not going to bet any money on it. |
| 15:11.18 | Corrodias | ah.. unit attributes? |
| 15:11.58 | malreth | yeah, every secure action button has a unit attribute that determines which units will have the action acted upon based on which modifiers are donw |
| 15:11.58 | malreth | down |
| 15:12.19 | Corrodias | okay... that could solve half of the problem |
| 15:12.31 | Industrial | oh just change that attribute on the alt keypress down |
| 15:12.36 | Industrial | done.. ? |
| 15:12.37 | Industrial | :P |
| 15:12.40 | Corrodias | well, halfway done. |
| 15:12.46 | malreth | well, no... you have to set it up ahead of time |
| 15:12.51 | Corrodias | see, you still cant' press alt+shift+1 and have it cast the shift+1 button |
| 15:13.02 | Corrodias | no matter what you do with alt, or attributes |
| 15:14.08 | Corrodias | is UseAction one of the... secure functions? wowwiki is being a bit vague |
| 15:14.12 | malreth | i'm thinking that the alt* modifier is what we have to use |
| 15:14.43 | Josh_Borke | you want an order of precedence kind of thing. if user presses shift->alt->1 you want it to check shift-1 for the alt attribute instead of checking 1 for the shift-alt attribute |
| 15:14.43 | malreth | but i'm not certain and i'll have to experiment to know for sure |
| 15:15.10 | Corrodias | yes, Josh_Borke. that's kind of how it is in 1.12 |
| 15:15.30 | Corrodias | if i don't have control-1 bound to anything, then control-shift-1 will cast shift-1 |
| 15:15.41 | Corrodias | if i have shift-1 and control-1 bound to different things, control-shift-1 does nothing at all |
| 15:15.56 | Josh_Borke | could you not do as malreth says: set the alt* attribute to check for a alt-shift attribute in the current button and if not found then check the shift-1 binding for an alt attribute and if found do that |
| 15:16.20 | Josh_Borke | that seems like it will be close to impossible to do with wow 2.0 |
| 15:16.52 | Corrodias | if you can activate another keybinding through a unit attribute, it would be fine |
| 15:17.14 | Corrodias | and change the target of the keybound action you're activating... |
| 15:17.27 | Mery | Kaso: I really dunno |
| 15:17.41 | Kaso | np |
| 15:17.49 | Kaso | its quite a mystery |
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| 15:23.25 | malreth | oh well... later all |
| 15:23.40 | Kirkburn | I hope the next TBC patch fixes some of the missing quests :( |
| 15:24.10 | Corrodias | and makes me rich |
| 15:24.12 | Mery | Kaso (it's probably not it, but) maybe some other addon hooks that function? |
| 15:24.45 | Kaso | already thought of that and disabled all the other addons to test |
| 15:25.01 | Josh_Borke | it's a conspiracy kaso, blizzard doesn't want you to succeed |
| 15:25.04 | Kaso | unless devtools is being naughty its not the problem |
| 15:25.11 | Kaso | haha, too true josh |
| 15:29.12 | Kaso | oh |
| 15:29.33 | Kaso | duh, im stupid |
| 15:31.11 | Kaso | Seems setting hyperlink on the tooltip thats already up hides it |
| 15:31.30 | Corrodias | oh, cool. i can make myself unable to perform any actions by reassigning UseAction which WoW doesn't appreciate |
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| 15:32.00 | nevcairiel | hah |
| 15:34.40 | Mery | bah kaso you beat me I just found out too :) |
| 15:35.42 | Kaso | howto get around this, call it twice? |
| 15:35.54 | Mery | doesn't help |
| 15:36.48 | Josh_Borke | Kaso: what are you doing again? pastecode it |
| 15:37.25 | Kaso | (15:03:28) (Kaso) If anyone can help (Mery maybe :>) http://pastey.net/2858 so, i have a tooltip up, when JTips:Toggle(true) is called it should re-draw the tooltip with Default layout, then when JTips:Toggle(false) is called it should be put back to the layout done by JTips:ReWriteTooltip |
| 15:37.31 | Corrodias | well, UseAction is most definitely Protected |
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| 15:38.39 | Josh_Borke | can't you check to see if the tooltip is already set? |
| 15:38.56 | Kaso | hmm |
| 15:39.16 | Kaso | and then just call ReWriteTooltip directly, yah that would work better |
| 15:43.39 | Mery | inserting a ItemRefTooltip:SetOwner(UIParent, "ANCHOR_PRESERVE"); also worked |
| 15:43.56 | Mery | (before calling the sethyperlink) |
| 15:44.07 | Corrodias | UseAction = UseAction; taints useaction. i am amused. |
| 15:44.22 | Mery | of course it does :) |
| 15:44.42 | Josh_Borke | http://blue.cardplace.com/newcache/forums.wow-europe.com/89459532.htm o.O |
| 15:45.06 | Josh_Borke | it's executed by tainted code therefore it is tainted |
| 15:45.35 | Corrodias | i just hope they can change the modifier key reading back. it's such a small difference. it will make things -so- -SO- much easier if they do |
| 15:46.12 | Josh_Borke | but it'll be very very hard to do that |
| 15:46.43 | Corrodias | why would that be so difficult? do you have some knowledge that i do not? |
| 15:46.52 | Mery | the only answer that thread got is kind of funny |
| 15:47.26 | Josh_Borke | ROFL that is a funny response |
| 15:48.53 | Kaso | woot, that fixed it, thanks for all your help again josh and mery |
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| 17:06.19 | cogwheel | purl, wb |
| 17:06.28 | purl | It's great to be back! |
| 17:06.43 | Josh_Borke | but um, yea. i have most experience with 5-mans |
| 17:07.07 | VoidRaider | with your priest or your pala ? |
| 17:07.34 | Josh_Borke | priest. paladin has raided through all of BWL and the prophet fight |
| 17:07.48 | VoidRaider | ahh nice :) |
| 17:08.07 | Josh_Borke | somehow i decided after raiding on my paladin i wanted to roll a priest... |
| 17:08.27 | VoidRaider | next is druid haha :D |
| 17:08.46 | Josh_Borke | i've learned :-P i want something i can farm with |
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| 17:09.14 | VoidRaider | haha :P |
| 17:09.35 | Josh_Borke | i'm so poor it is sad |
| 17:09.52 | Neuro_Medivh | Hunter is probably the best farming class |
| 17:10.03 | VoidRaider | I played a Druid until level 15 or something and didn't like the taurens animation so I dropped it |
| 17:10.27 | Josh_Borke | i hate hunters |
| 17:11.46 | Elkano | Neuro_Medivh, but how to spec the hunter? marksman? BM? |
| 17:11.53 | Neuro_Medivh | Oh, I have no idea |
| 17:11.57 | Neuro_Medivh | never played one |
| 17:12.22 | Neuro_Medivh | but they're the best farming class... haven't you seen those videos of the hunter soloing Scholo and stuff? |
| 17:12.27 | VoidRaider | Well rogue is awesome adrenalin rush and Blade Flurry is cool, Combat build is great :) |
| 17:12.33 | Elkano | atm I'm planing to respec mine on marksman again, but it's hard for the pet to hold aggro :/ |
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| 17:19.17 | VoidRaider | Anyway I think mages are awesome for grinding, though you still need to get the gear |
| 17:20.58 | Elkano | AE spam? |
| 17:21.19 | VoidRaider | OMG!! |
| 17:21.23 | VoidRaider | I can't believe it |
| 17:21.24 | VoidRaider | ffs |
| 17:21.36 | VoidRaider | Someone stole my mod! wth |
| 17:21.43 | cogwheel | Sue 'em |
| 17:21.50 | cogwheel | (what mod?) |
| 17:22.16 | VoidRaider | Spell Duration |
| 17:22.28 | cogwheel | (you don't really need to sue them :P. Usually the mod sites will take down copies if you request it) |
| 17:22.39 | VoidRaider | I just saw it on WorldofWar |
| 17:24.31 | VoidRaider | I can't believe it ... he also mentioned that I'm not the original author |
| 17:24.53 | Antiarc | Link? |
| 17:25.02 | cogwheel | no... he says it's not by him but by you |
| 17:25.16 | cogwheel | First off this mod is not originally made by me but by VoidRaider. The credit for creating this mods entirely goes to him any those who helped him. |
| 17:25.19 | VoidRaider | ohh |
| 17:25.20 | VoidRaider | lol |
| 17:25.23 | VoidRaider | damn panic! |
| 17:25.24 | cogwheel | http://ui.worldofwar.net/ui.php?id=3532 |
| 17:25.25 | VoidRaider | << :// |
| 17:25.30 | Josh_Borke | lol |
| 17:25.33 | Josh_Borke | l2read |
| 17:25.34 | VoidRaider | :(( |
| 17:25.39 | VoidRaider | yeah I should :// |
| 17:26.11 | sylvanaar | ywah - its suffixed |
| 17:26.15 | VoidRaider | give me glasses now! |
| 17:26.16 | VoidRaider | :P |
| 17:31.51 | VoidRaider | damn I felt weird :/ |
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| 17:33.49 | VoidRaider | ahh he even bother to email, send a PM to me :( |
| 17:33.59 | Josh_Borke | lol VoidRaider |
| 17:34.03 | Josh_Borke | don't you feel bad now :-P |
| 17:34.19 | VoidRaider | lol I feel like an idiot tbh lol |
| 17:34.26 | Josh_Borke | that's ok |
| 17:34.33 | Josh_Borke | i tried to call someone out on releasing their own mod |
| 17:34.40 | Josh_Borke | they gave me a shout-out on their curse page :-D |
| 17:34.46 | VoidRaider | lol :P |
| 17:37.56 | Kaso | arrg! my second monitor's power adapter appears to have burnt out |
| 17:38.29 | VoidRaider | :/ |
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| 17:41.47 | Mery | what's an easy way to find out hte mac adress of the network card in my computer? |
| 17:43.19 | Kaso | ipconfig /all |
| 17:43.35 | Mery | thanks :) |
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| 18:09.20 | Antiarc | So, this guy walks into a bar. |
| 18:09.29 | Antiarc | Bartender says "Welcome to the Entropy Club" |
| 18:09.33 | Antiarc | "May I take your order?" |
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| 18:17.18 | Neuro_Medivh | Heisenberg gets pulled over by a police officer while speeding through a school zone. The officer taps on the window, Heisenberg rolls it down. The officer says, "Sir, do you know how fast you were going?!?" Heisenberg replies, "No, but I know exactly where I am!" |
| 18:18.58 | Kaso | har har |
| 18:20.46 | Neuro_Medivh | I figured Antiarc's joke required something equally nerdy |
| 18:21.25 | Antiarc | Neuro_Medivh: That's one of my favorites. |
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| 18:36.52 | ckknight | hey all |
| 18:36.59 | VoidRaider | hi :) |
| 18:37.00 | cogwheel | yo |
| 18:37.23 | Casull | hey, anyone got a sec? getting some weird stuff with Frame:CreateTexture |
| 18:38.09 | Casull | right so this is the line |
| 18:38.13 | Antiarc | Mornin' |
| 18:38.30 | Casull | err... ought I use pastey? for just one line? |
| 18:38.37 | Antiarc | One line should be fine :) |
| 18:38.47 | ckknight | 1-3 lines is fine by me |
| 18:38.48 | Antiarc | Also, it looks like Live servers are getting 2.0.1, not 2.0.2. |
| 18:38.49 | ckknight | but no more |
| 18:38.57 | Antiarc | Slouken: "You're right. I just tested this in 1.12, and it does fall back to other modified key bindings. I'll take a look at why this changed and take care of it for 2.0.2 (Burning Crusade)" |
| 18:39.11 | Antiarc | At least, that's how I read it. |
| 18:39.20 | Casull | here we go |
| 18:39.25 | Casull | local frame = self.frames[index] or BattleWatchFrame:CreateTexture("BattleWatchObject"..index,"ARTWORK","BattleWatchObjectTemplate") |
| 18:39.38 | Neuro_Medivh | 2.0.1 is the code base for "WoW minus BC" |
| 18:39.39 | Casull | it's just seeing if there's already a vacant frame, the weird part is |
| 18:39.48 | Neuro_Medivh | 2.0.2 is the code base for "WoW plus BC" |
| 18:39.59 | ckknight | 2.0.2 has other stuff than BC in it. |
| 18:40.00 | Neuro_Medivh | they aren't sequential |
| 18:40.04 | Neuro_Medivh | yes, I know |
| 18:40.10 | Neuro_Medivh | but they aren't sequential |
| 18:40.17 | Casull | the first time I run that, it named the frame BattleWatchTemplate instead of BattleWatchObject1 |
| 18:40.19 | Antiarc | Casull: Adrine here. Hi! :D |
| 18:40.21 | Casull | all the other times it's fine |
| 18:40.22 | Neuro_Medivh | it's just 2.0.1 was locked down before 2.0.2 was |
| 18:40.28 | Casull | hey :] |
| 18:40.34 | Casull | was just online looking for you |
| 18:40.36 | Kaso | doesnt 2.0.1 not have the toolttip and unitbuff changes 2.0.2 has |
| 18:40.48 | Neuro_Medivh | I believe it does actually |
| 18:40.54 | Neuro_Medivh | or, it will |
| 18:41.07 | Antiarc | Casull: Is BattleWatchObjectTemplate virtual? Silly question, I know... |
| 18:41.07 | Kaso | i didnt know that'd made it onto the ptr |
| 18:41.12 | Casull | yes |
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| 18:41.18 | Antiarc | Also, are you sure that "index" isn't "Template" on the first run? |
| 18:41.23 | Casull | and in addition, all the ones except the first seem to inherit properly |
| 18:41.34 | Casull | aye, tried printing it, it's starting at 1 and incrementing properly |
| 18:41.47 | Antiarc | Can you pastey the code with some context? |
| 18:41.51 | Antiarc | Might be easier to debug. |
| 18:41.54 | Casull | sure |
| 18:44.40 | wereHamster | how do I find out whether I'm registered at NickServ? |
| 18:45.20 | Josh_Borke | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:46.08 | Casull | http://wowi.pastey.net/2864 |
| 18:46.22 | wereHamster | and why do I have to 'IDENTIFY' myself everytime I change my status? eg change nick to wereHamster|zZz ? |
| 18:48.00 | Cairenn|afk | link them |
| 18:48.17 | Casull | ? |
| 18:48.20 | Cairenn|afk | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:48.21 | Elkano | Neuro_Medivh, wrt the joke you made earlier: WANTED: Schroedinger's cat - dead AND alive! |
| 18:48.29 | Antiarc | Hahahahah! |
| 18:49.30 | Antiarc | Casull: Nothing stands out immediately... |
| 18:50.03 | Casull | i'm having issues finding any doc on Frame:CreateFrame() and the patch notes for when it was introduced dont mention the inheritsFrom arg at all |
| 18:50.21 | Antiarc | If you output self.frames[index]:GetName() on line 22, what's that get you? |
| 18:50.39 | Antiarc | The inherits parameter was added a patch after the CreateFrame() method, which is likely why. |
| 18:50.57 | Antiarc | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_CreateFrame |
| 18:51.19 | Antiarc | Also: On line 22: self.objects[index] = getglobal(class):new(frame) |
| 18:51.22 | Antiarc | What's "frame"? |
| 18:51.43 | Cairenn|afk | You guys hear about the dyslexic agnostic insomniac? |
| 18:51.44 | Antiarc | Are you meaning self.frames[index] instead? |
| 18:51.53 | Antiarc | He stayed up all night wondering if there really was a dog? |
| 18:52.01 | Antiarc | ;) |
| 18:52.07 | Cairenn|afk | heh, Antiarc has heard it before |
| 18:52.13 | Antiarc | *grin* |
| 18:52.18 | Cairenn|afk | and with that |
| 18:53.48 | wereHamster|zZz | .. it works :D |
| 18:54.09 | JoshBorke | there was a question in here that i missed |
| 18:55.23 | Casull | oops messed with it and forgot to update the pastey - fixed now |
| 18:55.25 | Casull | http://wowi.pastey.net/2865 |
| 18:55.51 | Casull | hmm I am not using CreateFrame() but rather Frame:CreateTexture(), I will try with CreateFrame() |
| 18:58.32 | Casull | oh, right i can't, texture isn't derivative of frame |
| 18:58.53 | JoshBorke | texture ~= frame |
| 18:59.00 | JoshBorke | Frame:CreateFrame() doesn't make sense |
| 18:59.11 | Casull | yeah, but I was using Frame:CreateTexture() |
| 18:59.13 | MentalPower | Frame:CreateTexture() |
| 18:59.16 | Casull | and it was doing some weird stuff |
| 18:59.51 | Casull | the first time I ran it, it ignored the name I passed in and named it after the template |
| 18:59.59 | Casull | all subsequent times it worked fine |
| 19:00.13 | JoshBorke | hm |
| 19:00.53 | JoshBorke | ok |
| 19:08.48 | Casull | well I can't make heads or tails, perhaps I will put together a very small simplified addon to see if i can get it to work at all |
| 19:10.36 | JoshBorke | so what you have isn't working? |
| 19:10.53 | Casull | nope, like I said, totally ignoring the first argument i pass in |
| 19:11.18 | Casull | but only the first time I run that, after that it works (and skips to 2) |
| 19:11.48 | JoshBorke | doest BattleWatchObject1 exist? |
| 19:12.24 | Casull | let me check |
| 19:14.19 | Casull | yes |
| 19:14.31 | Industrial | Has anone here watched the anime Eureka Seven? |
| 19:15.11 | Industrial | this crap beats a soap. its making me cry. and im a guy. |
| 19:19.59 | Teomyr | holy crap, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeWq6rWzChw |
| 19:24.01 | Malivil | Wow.. |
| 19:24.39 | Malivil | Temps > 1000 degrees |
| 19:24.41 | Malivil | holy crap |
| 19:25.09 | Teomyr | yeah |
| 19:26.19 | VoidRaider | wow :P |
| 19:26.30 | Malivil | Not even a recall battery |
| 19:28.08 | ckknight | neat |
| 19:28.16 | Kirkburn | Er, yeah, but they *caused* the fire |
| 19:28.30 | ckknight | well, Malivil, the recalled batteries probably couldn't even hit 800 degrees, thus the recall |
| 19:28.31 | ckknight | ;-) |
| 19:29.16 | Teomyr | Kirkburn: i think they simulated a faulty circuit in the laptop, which they say could happen in unmodified notebooks as well |
| 19:29.41 | Elkano | holy shit.... |
| 19:30.01 | Kirkburn | Ooh, look I can short circuit a toaster and make a house fire, thus proving toasters are dangerous to life and limb! |
| 19:30.11 | VoidRaider | that was amazing :P |
| 19:30.49 | Kirkburn | If it was a likely danger, there would be many mroe reports of laptop fires, wouldn't there :) |
| 19:31.06 | Kirkburn | As it is, there have only been about 5 |
| 19:31.17 | VoidRaider | Yeah well still, it's good to be aware lol |
| 19:31.33 | Teomyr | yes |
| 19:31.33 | Malivil | The laptop was on a skillet |
| 19:31.36 | Kirkburn | True true, but I just dislike fear-mongering |
| 19:31.49 | Malivil | This doesn't effect me in the slightest |
| 19:31.58 | Malivil | Allowing a laptop to get that hot so it sets of a battery? |
| 19:32.04 | Malivil | You deserve to get burned for that |
| 19:32.09 | VoidRaider | lol |
| 19:33.15 | Malivil | Time to do homework before 4 hours of work. YAY |
| 19:33.21 | Malivil | At least I work at a video game store =P |
| 19:33.37 | VoidRaider | :) |
| 19:33.38 | Teomyr | heh, lucky one :> |
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| 19:36.18 | Casull | I take it back they are all broken with the inheriting, it's inheriting the name over the name specified looks like |
| 19:38.19 | JoshBorke | hm |
| 19:38.28 | JoshBorke | Casull: can you pastecode your xml file? |
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| 19:39.49 | Casull | http://wowi.pastey.net/2866 |
| 19:41.50 | JoshBorke | Casull: did you try changing the line from self.frames[index] = self.frames[index] or ... to if (not self.frame[index]) then self.frames[index] = BattleWatchFrame:Create... end? |
| 19:43.41 | Casull | no dice :( |
| 19:44.48 | JoshBorke | that's odd. it should work |
| 19:45.07 | JoshBorke | ooo! |
| 19:45.09 | JoshBorke | i see one bug |
| 19:45.23 | JoshBorke | you don't declare g as local in BattleWatchObject:new() |
| 19:45.56 | Casull | always screw that up :[ |
| 19:46.30 | Casull | didn't save the day though, rats |
| 19:46.32 | JoshBorke | watch that fix everything ;-) |
| 19:46.35 | JoshBorke | dangit |
| 19:47.49 | Casull | think i'm just gonna bandaid fix for now and have it tweak each frame to fit the template as they're created from whatever the default is |
| 19:48.15 | Casull | until I can mess with this later to make sure that CreateFrame() is working appropriately |
| 19:48.23 | JoshBorke | http://wowi.pastey.net/2867 is something slightly different |
| 19:48.32 | JoshBorke | CreateTexture isn't the saem as CreateFrame |
| 19:48.51 | Casull | yeah my bad, meant to say CreateTexture |
| 19:49.06 | JoshBorke | if BattleWatchObject1 exists then it means the createtexture is working |
| 19:49.35 | Casull | it does, but it seems to be making BattleWatchObject1 a reference to the template, rather than inheriting all its attributes |
| 19:50.26 | JoshBorke | you're try to programmatically create textures and place them along a frame? |
| 19:50.32 | Kaso | Anyone fancy posting a beta bug report on US forums, i'd kinda like it to be seen. |
| 19:50.45 | Casull | uhh i'm not sure what programmatically means |
| 19:51.01 | Casull | i'm trying to create textures that fit a default (the template) |
| 19:51.10 | Casull | it's just a resize and an anchor |
| 19:51.17 | Casull | maybe i'm missing something about inheriting |
| 19:51.20 | Casull | and sure kaso |
| 19:51.36 | Kaso | http://beta.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1590514&postId=15803604&sid=2#0 |
| 19:51.44 | JoshBorke | Casull: why do you think BattleWatchObject1 is a reference to the template? |
| 19:52.49 | Casull | live forums, not beta, right? |
| 19:53.00 | Casull | well here's what it's doing |
| 19:53.14 | Casull | whenever I run the new() function I added something to print the id |
| 19:53.48 | Casull | it's giving me Template and then making that nil when i cast it to a number |
| 19:53.59 | Casull | whereas if I do it without the inheritence it does the number properly |
| 19:55.07 | Casull | I guess that's all that needs to be fix't, where it defines self.frames[index] it's naming it after the template for whatever rsn |
| 19:55.36 | Casull | Kaso: live US forums? not beta right? |
| 19:55.43 | Kaso | the beta ones |
| 19:55.45 | Casull | 'kay |
| 19:56.00 | Kaso | its just, i know the EU forums are never read |
| 19:56.23 | Kaso | it took them the best part of a day to release we had no npcs yesterday |
| 19:56.52 | JoshBorke | Casull: paste the code you are using now |
| 19:57.45 | Casull | that pastey is as far as I got with the inherit thing, right now i'm just readjusting them all as they're created, here it is: |
| 20:00.06 | Casull | Kaso: I am having trouble finding the beta forums for US specific, beta.worldofwarcraft.com is linking me to the euro ones. are you sure they are not shared? |
| 20:00.24 | JoshBorke | beta.worldofwarcraft.com is for both US and EU beta i'm pretty sure |
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| 20:01.40 | Casull | well the beta server just went down so i'm not sure if this is syntactically correct but you can get the idea of what i'm going for |
| 20:01.55 | Kaso | casull |
| 20:01.59 | Kaso | at the top right |
| 20:02.06 | Kaso | you can change the locale |
| 20:02.09 | zenzelezz | zomg Casull crashed the beta servar!!1 |
| 20:03.21 | Casull | http://wowi.pastey.net/2869 |
| 20:04.51 | VoidRaider | Casull in what Beta Eu server are you ? |
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| 20:06.05 | Casull | Kaso: http://beta.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1590526&sid=1 |
| 20:06.09 | Casull | I am US beta |
| 20:06.13 | VoidRaider | ah :D |
| 20:07.17 | Kaso | thanks |
| 20:09.15 | nevcairiel | Beta Patch day! Hoora! http://beta.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1590508 |
| 20:09.43 | Kaso | mana looms! |
| 20:10.03 | SP|Sorren | only 5 blizzard hours to go. |
| 20:10.08 | Casull | what's shadowmoon valley? |
| 20:10.32 | SP|Sorren | a zone where i may be able to find enough quests to not have to grind to 70? |
| 20:10.47 | Casull | damn, i had this beta for over a month and am still only 61 :( |
| 20:10.57 | Kaso | what level are you Sorren |
| 20:11.00 | SP|Sorren | 68 |
| 20:11.08 | SP|Sorren | i think ill run out of quests around mid-69 |
| 20:11.10 | Kaso | finished up netherstorm? |
| 20:11.14 | SP|Sorren | working on it |
| 20:11.25 | Kaso | basically you should hope they add shadowmoob |
| 20:11.46 | SP|Sorren | indeed ;) |
| 20:11.48 | Kaso | otherwise grind the bloodelfs at manaforge B'naar (or whatever demons if your aldor) |
| 20:12.15 | SP|Sorren | this maintenance is actually a great boon to me |
| 20:12.20 | SP|Sorren | it means ill actually work on my paper some today. |
| 20:12.24 | JoshBorke | Casull: you can check to see if the BattleWatchObject1 == BattleWatchObjectTemplate by doing /script ChatFrame1:AddMessage(BattleWatchObject1 == BattleWatchObjectTemplate) |
| 20:12.24 | SP|Sorren | score. |
| 20:12.45 | JoshBorke | Casull: are you sure your :new function is correct? |
| 20:13.25 | Casull | what do you mean by correct? |
| 20:13.32 | Casull | it worked fine when I wasn't inheriting |
| 20:13.36 | JoshBorke | doing what you think it should be doing |
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| 20:14.40 | JoshBorke | that's very very odd |
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| 20:25.48 | Malivil | Anyone here know Java? |
| 20:27.37 | Tem|Food | Malivil, I do, a little |
| 20:27.38 | Tem|Food | why? |
| 20:27.52 | Malivil | I'm doing a homework problem involving Queues |
| 20:27.58 | Tem|Food | mm |
| 20:28.03 | Malivil | I was wondering if there is a way to easily replace an element of a Queue |
| 20:28.18 | Tem|Food | what do you mean by 'replace?' |
| 20:28.21 | Malivil | I know List has a set method, for(int ctr = 0;!morseCode.isEmpty();ctr++) |
| 20:28.21 | Malivil | { |
| 20:28.21 | Malivil | if(morseCode.peek() == "?") |
| 20:28.21 | Malivil | { |
| 20:28.21 | Malivil | morseCode.set(ctr, question); |
| 20:28.22 | Malivil | } |
| 20:28.24 | Malivil | } |
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| 20:28.30 | Malivil | whoops |
| 20:28.33 | Malivil | whoa, wth |
| 20:28.45 | Malivil | o.O |
| 20:28.46 | Malivil | sorry |
| 20:28.46 | Tem|Food | (though I'm inclined to say that it depends entirely on the implementation of the queue) |
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| 20:28.48 | Malivil | anyway |
| 20:28.58 | Malivil | Like the set method that Lists have |
| 20:29.10 | Kirkburn | zomg tasty spam |
| 20:29.24 | Malivil | It replaces an element at a given location with something else |
| 20:29.30 | Tem|Food | queues pretty much just have enqueue,dequeue,peek, ect |
| 20:29.38 | Tem|Food | but it depends on the implementation |
| 20:29.52 | Malivil | Yea, i know... so im thinking the only way to do it is to cycle the entire queue |
| 20:30.04 | Tem|Food | um |
| 20:30.17 | Malivil | Its a short queue, at least |
| 20:30.19 | Tem|Food | you might want to think of a different way to do whatever it is you're trying to do |
| 20:30.24 | Malivil | I can't |
| 20:30.28 | VoidRaider | Anyone use Firefox and know good extensions to install ? :) |
| 20:30.32 | Tem|Food | I find that hard to believe |
| 20:30.34 | Malivil | Its a specific problem. I need to use Qeues |
| 20:30.39 | Malivil | *queues |
| 20:30.42 | Malivil | its a homework problem |
| 20:30.44 | Tem|Food | yes, well |
| 20:30.52 | Tem|Food | that's exactly what I mean |
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| 20:30.55 | Malivil | VoidRaider: FireFTP, IEView Lite, FasterFox |
| 20:31.03 | VoidRaider | Thanks mate :) |
| 20:31.05 | Malivil | np |
| 20:31.05 | Tem|Food | anyway, off to lunch |
| 20:31.10 | Malivil | Thanks for the help Tem |
| 20:31.13 | ckknight | VoidRaider, Opera |
| 20:31.14 | ckknight | ;-) |
| 20:31.46 | VoidRaider | haha :P |
| 20:31.48 | Antiarc | WebDeveloper, Firebug, Adblock |
| 20:31.54 | VoidRaider | lol ^^ |
| 20:32.15 | VoidRaider | What's the WebDeveloper add-in ? |
| 20:32.50 | SP|Sorren | its good for web development |
| 20:32.50 | SP|Sorren | its just got a bunch of tools for it |
| 20:32.53 | SP|Sorren | i really like the real-time css updates it can do ;p |
| 20:33.01 | Xuerian | VoidRaider: Adblock Plus, Firebug, Web Developer, SmoothWheel (A uncommon must), ImageZoom, and Filterset G updater (so long as you don't use FlashGet, use DownThemAll instead) |
| 20:33.10 | SP|Sorren | what's smoothwheel do? |
| 20:33.10 | VoidRaider | oh, does it check for JS errors ? |
| 20:33.13 | Antiarc | Does a billion things related to page modification. One-click disable/enable images, javascript, CSS , meta redirects, colors, popup blocker, shows all kinds of outlining and stuff to help you find problems in webpages |
| 20:33.20 | SP|Sorren | i think firebug does that |
| 20:33.22 | Xuerian | Smoothwheel smoothes scrolling with your mousewheel |
| 20:33.22 | Antiarc | For JS errors, use Firebug |
| 20:33.28 | Xuerian | IE, perfectly readable while scrolling |
| 20:33.34 | VoidRaider | oh :P |
| 20:33.40 | Elkano | ColorZilla |
| 20:33.55 | VoidRaider | IE sucks special 7 18 months of development and still with the same engine of IE4 |
| 20:33.58 | Elkano | Greasemonkey |
| 20:34.05 | Elkano | Html Validator |
| 20:34.11 | Antiarc | Foxytune |
| 20:34.12 | Xuerian | Oh, oh, and TabMixPlus |
| 20:34.13 | Antiarc | tunes* |
| 20:34.24 | VoidRaider | lol so much :P |
| 20:34.28 | Elkano | Tabbrowser Preferences |
| 20:34.28 | Xuerian | Progress bars on tabs wins. |
| 20:34.48 | Antiarc | Download Statusbar is hot. |
| 20:34.51 | Elkano | View Cookies |
| 20:34.59 | Antiarc | I like Sage for RSS stuffs |
| 20:35.13 | Xuerian | Yeah, DownloadStatusbar if you don't get DownThemAll (Which itself is very ncie) |
| 20:35.25 | Xuerian | s/ncie/nice/ |
| 20:35.55 | kaiden | VoidRaider, what are you talking about the same engine of IE4.. have you not noticed the amount of pages that dont render the same in IE7 compared to any lesser IE due to the revamp of the rendering engine and the confomrity to W3C they are trying to follow? |
| 20:36.10 | Antiarc | Druid v. Rogue: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOpKFPEah3E |
| 20:36.24 | SP|Sorren | man i almost regret replacing my giant CRTs with LCDs :( now i dont have heating for my room during the winter |
| 20:36.26 | Antiarc | "conformity" is a rather loose term :P |
| 20:36.49 | JoshBorke | lol SP|Sorren |
| 20:37.24 | SP|Sorren | seriously |
| 20:37.27 | SP|Sorren | my hands are freezing :( |
| 20:38.01 | VoidRaider | They are trying to follow lol |
| 20:38.25 | VoidRaider | MS follow nothing but one thing money |
| 20:38.52 | SP|Sorren | and why not ;p |
| 20:40.30 | VoidRaider | Anyway IE7 has the same rendering engine as IE4 ... |
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| 20:41.10 | SP|Sorren | i wish it didn't :( |
| 20:41.20 | VoidRaider | And I think you where speaking on the DOM, I was speaking on the rendering engine of the browser :P |
| 20:41.20 | SP|Sorren | i still have to write separate style sheets for IE ;( |
| 20:41.23 | VoidRaider | yup :( |
| 20:41.49 | Malivil | Antiarc: lol... thats a great video |
| 20:41.51 | VoidRaider | it gets worst with XHTML 1.0 the format .NET uses |
| 20:42.18 | VoidRaider | were* |
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| 20:42.27 | Kirkburn | Saying they use the same rendering engine is like saying modern planes are powered byt he same engines they used in the 60s |
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| 20:42.43 | Kirkburn | Yes, they are, but it doesn't make them identical or crap |
| 20:42.51 | JoshBorke | here comes Kirkburn ;-) |
| 20:43.01 | VoidRaider | lol kirk |
| 20:43.04 | SP|Sorren | the ie engine is rather bad :/ |
| 20:43.16 | Kirkburn | I would defend other untruths, even non-MS ones =) |
| 20:43.35 | SP|Sorren | do you do any web design? trying to get stuff to work for IE the same way it works for just about any other browser is hell |
| 20:43.38 | VoidRaider | that the truth ... |
| 20:43.42 | SP|Sorren | even with IE7 |
| 20:43.44 | Kirkburn | Ahem, kirkburn.eu |
| 20:43.44 | VoidRaider | that's* |
| 20:44.18 | Kirkburn | So, no, obviously not :P |
| 20:44.35 | Xuerian | I don't really care what rendering engine it uses. When I don't have to write two stylesheets just because of it, avoid effects standards because of it, or use crippled image types because of it, it'll be fine. |
| 20:44.53 | VoidRaider | Have you ever tried to force a table to be 100% at size in IE ? try that in XHTML 1.0 and see, following W3C lol ... |
| 20:44.58 | Xuerian | For the short list, anyway. |
| 20:44.59 | Kirkburn | Tell everyone you know to get FF or IE7 then :) |
| 20:45.10 | SP|Sorren | i do :( |
| 20:45.17 | Xuerian | Kirkburn: I skip that part. I GET it for them. |
| 20:45.22 | Xuerian | Then I MAKE them use it |
| 20:45.23 | Kirkburn | heh, good! |
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| 20:46.06 | Xuerian | It's just the other fifty-nine-point-one-zillion people who I can't use martial force on. |
| 20:46.08 | Kirkburn | JoshBorke, you know you love me |
| 20:46.14 | Kirkburn | haha |
| 20:46.15 | JoshBorke | <3 Kirkburn |
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| 20:47.15 | jaxdahl | remind me, is there a new function that returns whether a spell is in range of its target or not? |
| 20:47.25 | nevcairiel | yea |
| 20:47.29 | nevcairiel | in 2.0 |
| 20:47.32 | VoidRaider | Well what can I say, you can use with whatever you feel is right but Web developers got hard time with it :) |
| 20:47.43 | Xuerian | I have to admit, WMP11 is nice |
| 20:47.50 | SP|Sorren | i've yet to try it out |
| 20:48.01 | jaxdahl | nevcairiel, must the player have a target for the function to work? |
| 20:48.07 | jaxdahl | or can you pass a unit to it? |
| 20:48.15 | Xuerian | It'll never replace foobar/mpc, just like IE won't replace FF, but it's finally a decent substitute |
| 20:48.27 | Kirkburn | Yeah, that's fair |
| 20:48.42 | VoidRaider | yeah well :) |
| 20:49.27 | Casull | foobar was too complicated for me :( |
| 20:49.48 | Casull | whenever I took out a cd mid-tune it made this awful gnashing sound, and that was the end of foobar |
| 20:50.01 | VoidRaider | I wonder how much memory IE7 takes hmm |
| 20:50.02 | jaxdahl | can an addon do any automatic targetting of units securely, such as looping through the raid? |
| 20:50.22 | Xuerian | Casull: Have you tried 0.9 yet? |
| 20:50.32 | Casull | no but I will if it's cool! |
| 20:50.34 | nevcairiel | jaxdahl: * NEW result = IsSpellInRange(spell, [unit]) - is nil for no valid target, 0 for out of range, 1 for in range |
| 20:50.49 | jaxdahl | perfect |
| 20:50.58 | Xuerian | Casull: They re-did a lot of stuff. Should try it if you're not attached to a glitzy interface and want a functional one :p |
| 20:51.10 | jaxdahl | ok, what i'd like to see in whatever raid frames i use, |
| 20:51.38 | jaxdahl | i would like to be able to hold down a key, such as tab, to switch to 'cleanse mode' (i'm a paladin) |
| 20:52.08 | jaxdahl | and my raid frames would fade in/out to show people who are diseased/poisoned/magicked and are in range/out of range |
| 20:52.18 | jaxdahl | then i can click to cleanse them while holding tab down |
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| 20:52.41 | jaxdahl | that seems definitely possible isn't it? |
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| 20:53.01 | nevcairiel | hrm |
| 20:53.10 | nevcairiel | yeah should be possible |
| 20:53.17 | Mery | the only modifiers possible are alt, shift, ctrl for technical reasons (I think) |
| 20:53.26 | jaxdahl | Mery, i think addons can use any key they like |
| 20:53.33 | cogwheel | yep |
| 20:53.36 | Xuerian | Could certainly use dual modifiers |
| 20:53.43 | Mery | kk :) |
| 20:53.44 | nevcairiel | you can bind tab to a button, and check the down and up events |
| 20:53.49 | jaxdahl | alt-shift-ctrl are limited to macros |
| 20:53.53 | cogwheel | All of that is completely immune to the combat protections. |
| 20:54.00 | jaxdahl | cogwheel, great |
| 20:54.04 | Guillotine | WoWI Moderators: a couple ads were just posted. (http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7045 and http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7044 ) |
| 20:54.05 | Mery | but can you change the spell based on if the key is down? |
| 20:54.10 | jaxdahl | not sure what frames i'd prefer, Grid, or PerfectRaid |
| 20:54.23 | Mery | ah right set override binding? |
| 20:54.46 | jaxdahl | anyone seen other good raid frames besides those 2? |
| 20:54.48 | cogwheel | Mery: yep. using SecureAnchorUpDownTemplate |
| 20:54.51 | Casull | I wonder how they handle the captchas |
| 20:54.51 | pastamancer | jaxdahl: you could use a macro to switch profiles |
| 20:55.21 | Mery | never even heard or read that lol, thanks cogwheel |
| 20:55.59 | cogwheel | Mery: I believe Mairelon posted an example on the UI & Macros forum. |
| 20:56.53 | VoidRaider | have you seen this video with the flying pala ? |
| 20:57.05 | VoidRaider | http://www.warcraftmovies.com/movieview.php?id=32012 |
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| 20:58.22 | cogwheel | Mery: I'm not sure if it's on his sticky... I think it was a response to someone else's question (though I haven't read his sticky all the way either, so it could be in there :P ) |
| 20:58.46 | Guillotine | haha, thats awesome voidraider |
| 20:58.50 | Guillotine | wonder how the pally did it |
| 20:59.05 | VoidRaider | haha :P |
| 20:59.08 | VoidRaider | yeah |
| 21:02.42 | Guillotine | wow, I'm suprised. the Picture of the day on www.worldofwarcraft.com is something you can get suspended for o.O |
| 21:03.38 | SP|Sorren | i think i know how he was flying |
| 21:03.54 | SP|Sorren | he just flipped whatever flag the game uses to determine whether or not you're swimming |
| 21:04.10 | jaxdahl | Guillotine, i don't think i've ever heard of anyone getting suspended for it |
| 21:04.27 | Guillotine | for kiting a servant of allistarj to SW? |
| 21:04.32 | Guillotine | <- warning |
| 21:04.43 | pastamancer | haha, that's hilarious |
| 21:05.22 | Kaso | "Wikipedia has a problem" oh my god! ive never seen wikipedia down before |
| 21:05.22 | Guillotine | apparently they see it as using an exploit to level up weapon skills |
| 21:05.22 | jaxdahl | wikipedia appears to work for me |
| 21:06.05 | Kaso | working for me too |
| 21:06.13 | Kaso | seemed to just be a busy database server |
| 21:08.04 | KarlKFI | Someone linked a really old wow alpha screen shot the other day, anyone got the link? |
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| 21:08.35 | Kaso | thats a very vauge request |
| 21:09.09 | Guillotine | http://wow.ogaming.com/gallery/Blast-from-the-Past has a LONG list of old screenshots |
| 21:09.24 | Kaso | check out the logs if your looking for the speicific one : http://ibot.rikers.org/#wowi-lounge/ |
| 21:10.17 | jaxdahl | I'm pretty sure an addon could be developed that all the decursers in the raid would use, it could use the addon communication channel, IsSpellInRange(spell, [unit]), and set theory to determine priority -- the priority could be passed into whatever raid frames each player uses, showing them the top 3 targets to decurse next for themselves. |
| 21:10.35 | JoshBorke | jaxdahl: the frames can not move around |
| 21:10.48 | jaxdahl | JoshBorke, it would highlight the frames |
| 21:10.50 | KarlKFI | doesn't matter, you can set all the other alpha's to very low |
| 21:11.12 | jaxdahl | Red for #1, orange for #2, yellow for #3, or whatever |
| 21:11.23 | Guillotine | yup, you can change visual apperances and make it REAL easy, but thats boring imo |
| 21:11.33 | Guillotine | wow, look at http://wow.ogaming.com/gallery/Blast-from-the-Past/week21 o.O |
| 21:12.14 | Malivil | its not loading for me... |
| 21:12.27 | Malivil | It stops loading and its a blank white screen |
| 21:12.42 | Guillotine | haha, Unarmed used to be called "Street Fighting" |
| 21:12.43 | KarlKFI | there was one about that old that someone linked |
| 21:12.49 | KarlKFI | better quality shot tho |
| 21:13.08 | jaxdahl | in Noth's room, you have people spread out pretty far in the room sometimes, and if there is 1 person cursed that only 1 other decurser can get, Decursive would've gotten this really easily, but my idea for an addon would alert this player that they are the only person in range of this other person to be decursed |
| 21:13.13 | Kaso | they changed so much didnt they |
| 21:13.18 | Malivil | oh yea |
| 21:14.14 | JoshBorke | but you've basically taken the best part of decursive out, the automagically choosing what spell and whom to cast it on portion |
| 21:14.34 | JoshBorke | at which point it is up to the user to decide who to click |
| 21:14.38 | JoshBorke | the mod can only make suggestions |
| 21:14.45 | jaxdahl | i know that |
| 21:15.10 | Malivil | Its better than nothing though |
| 21:15.15 | pastamancer | jaxdahl: for extra credit, use IsSpellInRange to triangulate the (relative) positions of everyone in the raid :) |
| 21:15.31 | jaxdahl | you can't triangulate |
| 21:15.40 | jaxdahl | but that's kind of what i am referring to by using set theory |
| 21:15.45 | pastamancer | sure you can, if everyone is running your addon |
| 21:15.48 | Malivil | That would require at least3 people with the addon and a LOT of communication |
| 21:15.55 | JoshBorke | you have no directions with IsSpellInRange |
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| 21:16.01 | Malivil | true |
| 21:16.06 | pastamancer | Malivil: it would be fun though |
| 21:16.22 | Malivil | Liek josh said though, IsSpellInRange has no direciton |
| 21:16.26 | Malivil | *direction |
| 21:16.34 | pastamancer | that's why you have to triangulate |
| 21:16.37 | Guillotine | it used to :( |
| 21:16.39 | Guillotine | I miss those times |
| 21:16.43 | Guillotine | well, not IsSpellInRange |
| 21:16.48 | jaxdahl | do you understand how triangulation works, pastamancer? |
| 21:16.53 | Guillotine | but you used to be able to get location of PC units |
| 21:16.57 | JoshBorke | can you triangulate without any coordinates and only distances? |
| 21:17.07 | Guillotine | kind of |
| 21:17.08 | Malivil | uhhh |
| 21:17.11 | jaxdahl | you could triangulate outdoors |
| 21:17.17 | Malivil | if they have directions |
| 21:17.24 | Guillotine | but you wouldn't be able to tell at what rotation around you everyone was |
| 21:17.28 | Malivil | triangulation requires distance and direction |
| 21:17.33 | JoshBorke | lets so you have magnitude of distances and that is it |
| 21:17.39 | JoshBorke | yea, that's what i thought |
| 21:17.39 | Malivil | not possible |
| 21:17.40 | pastamancer | hm |
| 21:17.45 | jaxdahl | it would also require exact distances |
| 21:17.51 | Malivil | yea |
| 21:17.52 | jaxdahl | we can only tell if it's between 0 and X |
| 21:17.59 | Malivil | that can be found use co-ords |
| 21:18.00 | jaxdahl | where X is the max range of the spell |
| 21:18.13 | Guillotine | ya, using hte coords of 3 people you could estimate it |
| 21:18.21 | Guillotine | but then if you're outside anyway, just get the location of everyone |
| 21:18.24 | Malivil | If you had the direciton, thats thebig problem |
| 21:18.29 | jaxdahl | heh yeah, Guillotine :P |
| 21:18.33 | Malivil | true |
| 21:18.40 | Malivil | alright, so its not possible |
| 21:18.47 | Guillotine | its a cool idea though |
| 21:18.51 | Malivil | Yea |
| 21:18.56 | Corrodias | there are too many people with names that start with "mal" in here |
| 21:19.10 | Malivil | 3, lol |
| 21:19.12 | Malguillotine | :) |
| 21:19.20 | Guillotine | muwahahah! |
| 21:19.28 | Corrodias | and i'm looking for number 4, malreth :| |
| 21:19.30 | Malivil | I've been mal since like a year ago |
| 21:19.49 | Malmalivil | <.< >.> |
| 21:20.02 | guillotine | everyone put mal in front of their name! |
| 21:20.06 | Malivil-Dinner | brb |
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| 21:20.28 | MalGuillotine | hi cide. its "Mal" day |
| 21:20.35 | MalGuillotine | I mean... MalCide |
| 21:20.39 | Cide | how so, mr MalGuillotine ? |
| 21:21.05 | MalGuillotine | corrodias informed us that there were too many people with "mal" in front of their name |
| 21:21.09 | MalGuillotine | so we decided to amplify the problem |
| 21:21.18 | MalGuillotine | ^_^ |
| 21:21.24 | Corrodias | indeed |
| 21:21.47 | Neuro_Medivh | btw, Corrodias, check out http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=50836046&postId=509027935&sid=1#35 |
| 21:22.36 | jaxdahl | ok, i made a post about it |
| 21:22.37 | jaxdahl | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=51007055&postId=509028769&sid=1#0 |
| 21:23.21 | MalBandwagon | jaxdahl: i highly doubt it'll take off because of the amount of communication necessary |
| 21:23.32 | Corrodias | Neuro_Medivh: it so happens that i'm the one who just called Slouken "totally fab" :) |
| 21:23.42 | MalBandwagon | everytime a curse is applied decursers in the raid would have to announce whether it is in range or not |
| 21:24.07 | Antiarc | The beta realms will be brought down at 12:00 PM PST for maintenance and a patch. The estimated down time will be 5 hours. |
| 21:24.08 | Antiarc | Woot! |
| 21:24.27 | Neuro_Medivh | ahh |
| 21:24.33 | Kaso | So, what the guy who "cancelled his account" over this.. bet he's kicking himself now |
| 21:24.40 | MalGuillotine | wow, I kind of like the old spell book interface http://wow.ogaming.com/gallery/Blast-from-the-Past/week1 |
| 21:24.52 | Neuro_Medivh | come on, they really didn't cancel and you know it |
| 21:24.59 | Neuro_Medivh | people who cancel do it because they're bored |
| 21:25.05 | Neuro_Medivh | and don't care about the game anymore |
| 21:25.07 | Kaso | hence why i put it in quotations |
| 21:25.11 | Neuro_Medivh | heheh |
| 21:25.17 | jaxdahl | MalBandwagon, i still would like to see the idea discussed so maybe something will come out of it |
| 21:25.30 | Corrodias | ah yes. "cancelled". |
| 21:25.48 | DrDre | quick check, which tokens are needed for HWL 2.8 sword and the fast sword? |
| 21:25.59 | jaxdahl | "cancelled" = "i'm going to keep playing for the 3 months that are left on my 6 month subscription, then i'm QUITTING, i promise!" |
| 21:26.32 | MalBandwagon | jaxdahl: i think that what is going to happen is raid-frames are going to get highlighting for units that are in range for debuff curing and it will be up to the user to select who to debuff |
| 21:26.49 | jaxdahl | JoshBorke, i think so too |
| 21:26.57 | jaxdahl | and the raid leader would organize priorities |
| 21:27.05 | Kaso | DrDre: http://www.thottbot.com/beta?n=2721 <- lvl 60 ones http://www.thottbot.com/beta?n=2724 <-- lvl 70 ones |
| 21:27.09 | jaxdahl | and contigency conditions |
| 21:27.12 | Corrodias | well, i'm going to have a nap now, because if i go out with my friends tonight, i'm going to be SUPER TIRED if i don't. or even if i do. |
| 21:27.20 | jaxdahl | contingency? |
| 21:28.02 | jaxdahl | JoshBorke, i think addons like KLHTM create way more communication |
| 21:28.19 | Corrodias | oooh. a "painsaw" |
| 21:28.30 | DrDre | why does none of them use wsg? |
| 21:29.06 | Kaso | i guess wsg ones go towards the armor ..? |
| 21:29.10 | jaxdahl | for Noth, you'd only have 10 people (only 2 decurse classes on alliance) sending messages |
| 21:29.16 | JoshBorke | i don't know about that because KLHTM sends a steady stream of information based on events as they happen. this hypothetical mod would send much more information |
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| 21:29.39 | jaxdahl | only 1 message per tick would be needed |
| 21:30.07 | JoshBorke | yes but that one message would include all affected members |
| 21:30.12 | JoshBorke | imagine on a lucifron fight |
| 21:30.21 | jaxdahl | i wouldn't enable it for lucifron |
| 21:30.40 | jaxdahl | pretty easy for the raid to organize in advance whom to cleanse |
| 21:31.19 | jaxdahl | it would be used for highly time sensitive fights where the raid is spread out |
| 21:31.21 | jaxdahl | like Noth |
| 21:31.35 | jaxdahl | Faerlina too |
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| 21:33.27 | ckknight | hey all |
| 21:33.44 | Malteo | hi |
| 21:33.50 | MalGuillotine | hey ck :) |
| 21:33.51 | Kaso | cacull, thanks for relying my post btw, got a blue reply :> |
| 21:33.51 | Gryphen | he3ya |
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| 21:39.34 | Malivil-Dinner | e^lnx is just x right? |
| 21:40.00 | JoshBorke | yes |
| 21:40.02 | jaxdahl | aye |
| 21:40.06 | Malivil-Work | k thanks |
| 21:41.56 | jaxdahl | Malivil-Work, only for x>0 i believe though |
| 21:43.54 | Malivil-Work | its just for a derivtive, so x is a generic variable |
| 21:43.57 | Malivil-Work | thanks though |
| 21:44.00 | Malivil-Work | time for work, bye |
| 21:44.28 | SP|Sorren | jaxdahl: why would that be? |
| 21:45.24 | SP|Sorren | nvm |
| 21:45.54 | JoshBorke | wow is that so? |
| 21:46.03 | JoshBorke | s/wow/why/ |
| 21:46.41 | SP|Sorren | because ln(negative) is undefined, i think |
| 21:47.00 | JoshBorke | e^(-x) is not negative |
| 21:47.15 | SP|Sorren | right |
| 21:47.15 | JoshBorke | oh wait |
| 21:47.15 | ckknight | actually, ln(-x) exists, it's just imaginary. |
| 21:47.18 | JoshBorke | i read it wrong |
| 21:47.26 | JoshBorke | i read ln(e^x) |
| 21:47.30 | ckknight | ln(-x) = ln(x) + i*pi/2, afaik. |
| 21:47.40 | SP|Sorren | i hate math |
| 21:47.45 | ckknight | math is fun! |
| 21:47.45 | SP|Sorren | :( |
| 21:47.47 | JoshBorke | ckknight: correct |
| 21:47.54 | JoshBorke | er |
| 21:48.12 | JoshBorke | e^(ln(-5)) = ans = -5.0000e+00 + 6.1230e-16i |
| 21:48.49 | ckknight | well, that's due to a floating point error, JoshBorke |
| 21:48.52 | ckknight | e^(ln(-5 |
| 21:48.55 | ckknight | )) = -5 |
| 21:49.59 | ckknight | but ln(-5) = ln(5) + i*pi/2 |
| 21:50.09 | ckknight | afair |
| 21:50.14 | JoshBorke | octave says: ln(-5) = ln(5) + i*pi |
| 21:50.23 | ckknight | ah, that's right. |
| 21:50.27 | ckknight | yea. |
| 21:50.33 | ckknight | it's been a while |
| 21:50.58 | JoshBorke | that's why i'm using octave :-D |
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| 21:51.04 | JoshBorke | i'd never remember it myself :-P |
| 21:58.31 | jaxdahl | i think it's too quiet in here :( |
| 21:58.36 | jaxdahl | only 5 more days |
| 22:15.34 | ag` | I am confused about how such special numbers as i, e and pi can make tht come true |
| 22:15.54 | VoidRaider | Guys toboolean(...) works ? |
| 22:17.16 | ckknight | no |
| 22:17.22 | ckknight | basically, just do str == "true" |
| 22:17.23 | ckknight | or something. |
| 22:17.30 | VoidRaider | yeah :D |
| 22:17.34 | ckknight | depending on what you're converting from |
| 22:18.28 | VoidRaider | hmm yeah I guess I'll use numbers :) |
| 22:20.01 | VoidRaider | in a second thought, I never tried, does SetChecked accept numbers ? |
| 22:20.16 | MentalPower | yes it does actually |
| 22:20.26 | VoidRaider | ah ok :) |
| 22:20.31 | MentalPower | I think its the only function thats 0/1 instead of true/false |
| 22:21.06 | Mery | well true/nil works with SetChecked |
| 22:21.09 | VoidRaider | hmm well I know for sure it accept boolean :P |
| 22:23.59 | VoidRaider | hmm Mery there seems to be an issue with passing a nil value on wowwiki |
| 22:25.24 | Mery | http://www.isnichwahr.de/redirect19540.html |
| 22:26.40 | Mery | well the FrameXML files use :SetChecked(nil) ... |
| 22:27.18 | VoidRaider | ah ok :) |
| 22:29.23 | Mery | ok (last spam by me for today) and for this tv he got a ps3... http://80.154.33.182/_indesaunagoin/img/isnichwahr-de-ps3.jpg |
| 22:30.00 | VoidRaider | lol |
| 22:30.15 | Guillotine | haha |
| 22:30.26 | Xuerian | You've gotta pick what you want to upgrade. |
| 22:30.30 | Xuerian | Especially with the Ps3 XD |
| 22:30.36 | nevcairiel | hahaha |
| 22:32.53 | VoidRaider | Why I'm not a Cyborg lol |
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| 22:35.58 | Kaso | What happened with all those linux users that got banned? |
| 22:36.25 | nymbia | they got unbanned |
| 22:36.40 | Kaso | any newsposts flying around about it? |
| 22:37.03 | Tain | Oh damn I can't wait until I can buy one of these. http://www.core77.com/bullitts/2006/11/Jaren-Goh-Rollertoaster.asp?current_bullitt_id=515 |
| 22:37.07 | Thunder_Child | Corrodias: Ping |
| 22:37.19 | Guillotine | they got unbanned and time banned + 2 weeks added onto their gamet ime |
| 22:37.20 | nymbia | not as far as i remember, Kaso |
| 22:38.20 | Guillotine | not on WoW anyway. a couple other gaming sites had it |
| 22:39.09 | Tain | Everyone knows all Linux users are criminals. |
| 22:39.15 | Kaso | haha |
| 22:39.15 | SP|Sorren | ^ |
| 22:40.02 | KarlKFI | So... I finally download 3dmarko6 |
| 22:40.35 | KarlKFI | scored a 6020 |
| 22:40.35 | Tain | Although just because I'm a self-righteous ass I'd be raising high stink if I were banned without any cause. |
| 22:40.47 | KarlKFI | tho, i bet it wasn't using all the procs |
| 22:41.39 | Tain | I just ordered a PC from Dell to give to my parents for Christmas. With extended warrantee so they won't have to call me. |
| 22:41.47 | Tain | Except it got here and I ordered the wrong model. ;( |
| 22:41.51 | KarlKFI | heh, good call |
| 22:41.53 | Tain | So I have to send it back. |
| 22:41.54 | KarlKFI | aww |
| 22:42.06 | Tain | The lady at the return dept offered me $50 to keep it. |
| 22:42.13 | KarlKFI | lol |
| 22:42.39 | Tain | I thought about haggling for more money but it wouldn't matter, I'd have to buy another one anyway. |
| 22:42.53 | KarlKFI | sad |
| 22:42.54 | Tain | This was the tiny half-height model, I needed the full height so I can put a real video card in. |
| 22:43.22 | Tain | Dell offers crap video card options unless you buy an XPS Gaming PC. |
| 22:43.30 | Thunder_Child | heh, that made me think of an external vid card |
| 22:43.32 | Tain | Actually so do HP and Gateway, for that matter. |
| 22:43.34 | KarlKFI | sounds about right |
| 22:44.02 | Tain | I at least got her to pay for the shipping back. :) |
| 22:45.06 | Tain | Two hours and fifteen minutes until Lord of the Rings Online beta phase opens and I can play for the first time! |
| 22:45.36 | *** join/#wowi-lounge cladhaire (n=jnwhiteh@cpe-24-58-241-33.twcny.res.rr.com) |
| 22:45.36 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+o cladhaire] by ChanServ |
| 22:45.53 | Tain | ...and that's why we celebrate Cladhaire Day. |
| 22:46.20 | cladhaire | k.. me too! |
| 22:47.10 | KarlKFI | oh, clad was the one who wanted to know the 3dmark scores |
| 22:47.25 | cladhaire | *nod* |
| 22:47.33 | Tain | Five |
| 22:47.36 | KarlKFI | turns out parallels can't run direct3d i guess |
| 22:47.44 | KarlKFI | so no games |
| 22:47.44 | cladhaire | oh thats no fun, but makes sense |
| 22:47.50 | cladhaire | well, no |
| 22:47.53 | cladhaire | no directX games =) |
| 22:48.01 | Tain | Oh TBC patch |
| 22:48.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | garry's mod 10 is awesome, you should all get it kthx |
| 22:48.06 | KarlKFI | but i rebooted into windows and got a 6020 |
| 22:48.06 | SP|Sorren | up now? |
| 22:48.17 | Tain | Downloading patch now. |
| 22:48.18 | SP|Sorren | er, can dl now? |
| 22:48.21 | SP|Sorren | neat |
| 22:49.01 | KarlKFI | but i can't find a good list of scores to compare with, lol |
| 22:49.09 | cladhaire | hrm.. my wow was on anothe rmonitor |
| 22:49.13 | cladhaire | that wasn't plugged in |
| 22:49.14 | cladhaire | neat |
| 22:50.06 | SP|Sorren | ;( |
| 22:50.10 | Tain | Also there's a couple of awesome shirts here. http://www.nerdyshirts.com/ |
| 22:55.43 | Elkano | "I tell you, I didn't know she was three..." |
| 22:56.26 | VoidRaider | Night guys :) |
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| 23:01.55 | Tain | I patched but can't actually log in. "Disconnected from server." every time. |
| 23:04.41 | *** join/#wowi-lounge _aLEX (n=Alexandr@d80-170-31-181.cust.tele2.fr) |
| 23:06.54 | Thunder_Child | seems slouken has found and (will) fix the key modifier problems |
| 23:07.31 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Grem (n=admin@68-234-122-85.ashbva.adelphia.net) |
| 23:07.39 | zenzelezz | I can picture the problem code |
| 23:07.49 | Grem | Does anyone know how to trigger an event for when you've been outbid on an item? |
| 23:08.00 | zenzelezz | if ((key == shift) || (key == ctrl)) ignore; // No-one uses these anyhow |
| 23:08.06 | Thunder_Child | isnt it simply a text event? |
| 23:08.11 | Kaso | Grem |
| 23:08.11 | Grem | I think so Thunder |
| 23:08.15 | Kaso | hold on a moment |
| 23:08.19 | Grem | I get the message: "You have been outbid on Belt of Valor" |
| 23:08.27 | Grem | I want to make a list of items ive been outbid on |
| 23:08.47 | Thunder_Child | you could prolly use that for the trigger and strip our overything but the item name |
| 23:08.53 | Thunder_Child | out* |
| 23:08.58 | cladhaire | CHAT_MSG_SYSTEM |
| 23:09.12 | cladhaire | use devtools to get the event info |
| 23:09.15 | Grem | hmmm |
| 23:09.22 | Grem | devtools? |
| 23:09.26 | cladhaire | have someone outbid you on a single linen, or something |
| 23:09.28 | cladhaire | ~devtools |
| 23:09.29 | purl | extra, extra, read all about it, devtools is Iriel's DevTools, a highly useful set of debugging tools for developers on WoW. Found at http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=3999 Why isn't it in the default client yet?, or found at http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?s=&id=5415 for the beta |
| 23:10.01 | cladhaire | has an option showing you the event of anything being printed to the chat windows, essentially |
| 23:10.11 | Thunder_Child | zenzelezz, well it seems that people do |
| 23:10.14 | Grem | Nice |
| 23:10.24 | Grem | What's the best way to check the first 4 words of the resulting text? |
| 23:11.08 | zenzelezz | Thunder_Child: I can't help but wonder if you simply insist on not accepting any of my jokes, whether or not they suck |
| 23:11.11 | cladhaire | upi wamt,. |
| 23:11.20 | cladhaire | you want "You have been outbid on (.+)" |
| 23:11.21 | cladhaire | =) |
| 23:11.25 | Grem | strfind ? |
| 23:11.26 | cladhaire | which is probably a global string |
| 23:11.45 | cladhaire | local item = select(3,string.find(msg, "You have outbid on (.+)")) |
| 23:11.47 | Thunder_Child | neither, i wasnt geting them |
| 23:12.07 | Grem | Select does what? heh |
| 23:12.14 | cladhaire | oh, nothing until tuesday |
| 23:12.28 | Kaso | string.gsub(ERR_AUCTION_OUTBID_S,"%%s","(.+)") |
| 23:12.30 | cladhaire | local _,_,item = string.find(msg, "You have been outbit on (.+)") |
| 23:12.32 | cladhaire | but that's what it does :P |
| 23:12.42 | cladhaire | Kaso: But if we're not localising, this is easier =) |
| 23:12.46 | Kaso | true |
| 23:12.51 | cladhaire | but mine will capture the . at the end |
| 23:12.57 | cladhaire | so that should be outside the parens =) |
| 23:13.20 | Grem | Now im confused =) |
| 23:13.33 | Grem | I shouldnt use the select statement one? |
| 23:15.08 | cladhaire | select() doesn't exist in lua 5.0 |
| 23:15.21 | Grem | ah |
| 23:15.23 | cladhaire | use local _,_,item = string.find(msg, "You have been outbid on (.+).") |
| 23:15.26 | cladhaire | it'll be close enough :P |
| 23:15.33 | Grem | What are those _,_, ? |
| 23:15.51 | Cide | (mostly) useless return values |
| 23:15.53 | cladhaire | they are dummy variables. |
| 23:16.07 | cladhaire | select(3) was ignoring the first two =) |
| 23:16.21 | Grem | Why have dummy variables? |
| 23:16.32 | cladhaire | because, string.find returns two arguments normally |
| 23:16.34 | zenzelezz | since you don't have any interest in them |
| 23:16.35 | cladhaire | the start and the end of the match |
| 23:16.41 | Grem | ahh, gotcha |
| 23:16.47 | Kaso | shouldnt it be "You have been outbid on (.+)%." to be pedantic :> |
| 23:16.49 | cladhaire | you have captures ( the () in the pattern) and so it returns those next |
| 23:16.59 | cladhaire | Kaso: heh yes |
| 23:17.01 | cladhaire | and it should be anchored too |
| 23:17.02 | Grem | I need something that returns true/false to that find statement |
| 23:17.15 | Grem | So that I can make an IF statement in my event to make sure im reading from the right argument type |
| 23:17.20 | cladhaire | well, mine will return nil, or the item name |
| 23:17.29 | Grem | Gotcha, that should work =) |
| 23:17.54 | cladhaire | its technically 100% local _,_,item = string.find("^You have been outbid on (.+)%.$") |
| 23:18.00 | cladhaire | err msg, then the pattern |
| 23:18.01 | cladhaire | i quit at life. |
| 23:18.11 | Kaso | haha |
| 23:18.30 | cladhaire | cladhaire: Life's not for everyone you know.. maybe you should try something else |
| 23:18.36 | SP|Sorren | hey Cairenn |
| 23:18.40 | Cairenn | hi |
| 23:18.47 | Gryphen | he3ya |
| 23:19.30 | DrDre | odd |
| 23:19.31 | SP|Sorren | is there any reason when I click on the WoWInterface Downloads > 2.0 Beta UIs it takes me to the 2.0 section sorted by filename? |
| 23:19.34 | Cide | naye |
| 23:19.34 | SP|Sorren | whoa |
| 23:19.39 | SP|Sorren | where'd the underline come from |
| 23:19.41 | cladhaire | are we voting for me to quit life.. or for all of us to quit life? |
| 23:19.44 | DrDre | 2.0.0.6080 is the build # on the wow.exe for retail patch O.o |
| 23:19.55 | Cairenn | cladhaire: all of us |
| 23:20.08 | zenzelezz | why? |
| 23:20.08 | cladhaire | nay |
| 23:20.24 | Inside | There is no real beta ui anymore |
| 23:20.26 | Inside | that I know of |
| 23:20.30 | Maldivia | Any rogues here? |
| 23:20.33 | DrDre | < |
| 23:20.36 | Inside | I think the 2.0 beta uis got moved to the 2.0 section? |
| 23:20.41 | Inside | < 19 twink rogue ftl |
| 23:20.47 | Maldivia | Todays beta patch: Thistle Tea was nerfed |
| 23:20.51 | DrDre | ;/ |
| 23:20.51 | Inside | ? |
| 23:20.52 | DrDre | how? |
| 23:20.56 | Inside | Is that the +15agi? |
| 23:20.57 | Inside | tea |
| 23:21.04 | DrDre | 100 hp |
| 23:21.07 | Maldivia | 100 energy |
| 23:21.08 | DrDre | energy* |
| 23:21.22 | cladhaire | DrDre however should also quit life. |
| 23:21.23 | DrDre | what did they do to it |
| 23:21.25 | Maldivia | Every level the player is over 40, the energy thistle tea gives, is reduced by 2 |
| 23:21.31 | DrDre | i dont have a life cladhaire: |
| 23:21.33 | DrDre | i cant quit :P |
| 23:21.35 | Maldivia | si at level 70, thistle tea is only 40 energy |
| 23:21.39 | DrDre | ..... |
| 23:21.42 | Inside | Wait.. |
| 23:21.43 | SP|Sorren | thats awesome. |
| 23:21.49 | zenzelezz | why such a change? |
| 23:21.50 | SP|Sorren | go go rogue nerfs, imo |
| 23:21.51 | Inside | thistle tea has what min level? 40? |
| 23:21.52 | cladhaire | why, whats the reason for that? |
| 23:22.01 | DrDre | wtf is wrong with blizzard |
| 23:22.08 | DrDre | they keep making all these uncalled for nerfs |
| 23:22.22 | Maldivia | probably because it's a low level tradeskill, and a higherlevel one was added, for people > lvl 40 |
| 23:22.35 | cladhaire | oh.. so there's a new tea? |
| 23:22.42 | Maldivia | well, that would be my guess |
| 23:22.47 | DrDre | better be a "restores 100 energy and gives 50%+ energy regen rate for 15s" |
| 23:22.59 | Grem | Is 1 always the first element in the array if the array is empty and then you insert an element? |
| 23:23.12 | cladhaire | define array =) |
| 23:23.16 | Grem | table |
| 23:23.24 | Grem | outbidList = {} |
| 23:23.31 | cladhaire | a consecutively > 0 non nil indexed list? |
| 23:23.34 | Grem | And if I insert an element into it |
| 23:23.36 | cladhaire | integer shoudl go in there somewhere |
| 23:23.49 | Grem | does the first insert go to: outbidList[1] ? |
| 23:23.53 | cladhaire | in 5.0 no |
| 23:23.59 | cladhaire | in 5.1, it should, yes. |
| 23:24.23 | Grem | Well, how do I check if outbidList has -any- elements, for an IF statement |
| 23:24.28 | cladhaire | in 5.0 it depends entirely on how you've used teh table before |
| 23:24.29 | cladhaire | next(tbl) |
| 23:24.33 | Grem | if getn > 0 ? |
| 23:24.49 | cladhaire | next(tbl) will tell you if it has ANY keyed values. |
| 23:25.08 | cladhaire | if you have control over the table, getn() and [1] have a bit more meaning. |
| 23:25.26 | Grem | Okay, what does next return? |
| 23:25.30 | Grem | The first value ? |
| 23:25.42 | Grem | next(outbidList) |
| 23:25.45 | cladhaire | any value. |
| 23:25.50 | cladhaire | you can't expect them to be ordered. |
| 23:25.53 | SP|Sorren | if it returns anything but nil |
| 23:25.57 | SP|Sorren | you've got something in your table |
| 23:26.03 | cladhaire | i know i'm being technical, but you haven't clearly outlined your problem statement |
| 23:26.21 | Grem | You're leading me in the right direction, trust me =) |
| 23:26.22 | cladhaire | and i dont like answering in half truths. |
| 23:26.29 | cladhaire | 20 questions |
| 23:26.32 | cladhaire | do you control the table |
| 23:26.40 | Grem | I just insert |
| 23:26.45 | Grem | I dont care where the values are inserted |
| 23:26.49 | cladhaire | 1.) Do you control the table from creation to destruction |
| 23:26.54 | Grem | Define control |
| 23:27.02 | cladhaire | Create, you're the only one inserting./deleting |
| 23:27.06 | Grem | Yes |
| 23:27.12 | Grem | I want to make a list of auctions ive been outbid on |
| 23:27.14 | cladhaire | 2.) Do you always use table.insert and table.remove? |
| 23:27.24 | Grem | table.remove was my next question |
| 23:27.28 | Grem | Currently im only doing table.insert |
| 23:27.30 | SP|Sorren | anyone else getting an xml error on worldofwarcraft.com? |
| 23:27.40 | cladhaire | do you ever remove the elements? |
| 23:27.42 | Grem | Now I want to read the table, check if it's valid, and table.remove it |
| 23:27.49 | Grem | I want to know how to remove the element |
| 23:27.56 | Grem | next(outbidList).remove ? |
| 23:27.59 | cladhaire | table.remove(index) |
| 23:28.09 | cladhaire | to remove the third element, table.remove(3) |
| 23:28.27 | Grem | Well, how do I remove next(table) |
| 23:28.35 | Grem | I want to remove the element that possibly gets returned from next(table) |
| 23:28.50 | cladhaire | why? you don't need to use next() if you treat this as an array (i.e. 1,2,3,4,5) |
| 23:29.11 | Grem | Well, how do I get the first value in outbidList then? |
| 23:29.16 | Grem | Assuming im only inserting the values |
| 23:29.25 | cladhaire | table[1] |
| 23:29.29 | Grem | Okay |
| 23:29.35 | Grem | Cool |
| 23:29.43 | cladhaire | if you use table.insert() and table.remove() and ONLY those.. no tbl[key] = nil or tbl[key] = value |
| 23:29.51 | cladhaire | then you're fine using getn() and 1 |
| 23:30.18 | Grem | Right |
| 23:30.19 | Grem | Solid |
| 23:30.30 | JoshBorke | hola! |
| 23:30.35 | Grem | Thanks for the help man |
| 23:30.36 | SP|Sorren | hello. |
| 23:30.53 | cladhaire | lol np |
| 23:30.54 | cladhaire | heyas JoshBorke |
| 23:31.12 | JoshBorke | cladhaire: confirm or deny, perfect is ready for wow 2.0? |
| 23:31.25 | JoshBorke | s/perfect/perfect raid/ |
| 23:31.48 | cladhaire | it is not ready |
| 23:32.14 | JoshBorke | btw, no XML error on worldofwarcraft.com |
| 23:32.34 | Thunder_Child | hmm...i wonder if the raids are going to take a hit after the patch for a bit |
| 23:32.42 | JoshBorke | yes |
| 23:33.04 | cladhaire | praid will BE ready in some form |
| 23:33.12 | SP|Sorren | really? i'm still getting an xml error :/ |
| 23:33.29 | JoshBorke | what browser? |
| 23:33.33 | SP|Sorren | FF 2.0 |
| 23:34.42 | JoshBorke | nope, no XML in FF 1.5 or IE7 |
| 23:35.32 | JoshBorke | ZOMG! I TOTALLY FORGOT ABOUT CoT! |
| 23:35.48 | cladhaire | lolz. |
| 23:35.48 | cladhaire | nub |
| 23:35.56 | JoshBorke | that's ok, i'm only lvl 60 |
| 23:35.57 | Kirkburn | It's got great background music |
| 23:36.13 | Kirkburn | I love the ticking stuff |
| 23:36.26 | JoshBorke | what lvl do you have to be to go in? |
| 23:37.19 | Kirkburn|Vista | Patch notes: http://beta.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=560370&sid=1 |
| 23:38.38 | Kirkburn|Vista | "Channeling bars will now show for the correct amount of time." |
| 23:39.06 | Kirkburn | JoshBorke, something like 64-65 |
| 23:39.30 | cladhaire | ooh i like faction requirements for heroic mode. |
| 23:39.44 | JoshBorke | neutral! |
| 23:39.51 | cladhaire | my mom is neutral |
| 23:40.58 | Maldivia | wee, mage invis is 5 sec fade now |
| 23:41.11 | Thunder_Child | well let her get some quests from you so she can get some rep with you |
| 23:41.53 | cladhaire | Maldivia: Yay grats! |
| 23:42.31 | Maldivia | still only 10% threat reduction pr second, until fully invis :| |
| 23:42.51 | Kirkburn | Maldivia, I don't see that in the patch notes? Looking at the spell database? |
| 23:42.57 | Maldivia | yeah :) |
| 23:43.04 | Maldivia | did a diff, to find changes :) |
| 23:43.14 | Kirkburn | Warlock changes? |
| 23:43.17 | Maldivia | yes |
| 23:43.29 | Kirkburn | Anything big? :) |
| 23:43.33 | Maldivia | Amplify curse works with Doom now (instead of weakness) |
| 23:43.38 | Maldivia | Weakness now lowers attack power |
| 23:43.44 | Kirkburn | ooh |
| 23:43.48 | Maldivia | shadowfury, 20sec CD |
| 23:43.53 | Kirkburn | That's sensible the CoW fix |
| 23:44.07 | Thunder_Child | interesting the patch notes post has a page 2 with noting on it |
| 23:44.12 | Maldivia | SL is 20% to pet now, but 5% dmg increase |
| 23:44.19 | Kirkburn | Thunder_Child, I think that's a side effect of locking posts |
| 23:44.27 | Kirkburn | I've seen it occur before |
| 23:44.30 | Thunder_Child | oh, interesting |
| 23:44.41 | JoshBorke | how do you see these things? |
| 23:44.49 | Kirkburn | Soul Link is 20% dmg split, but a 5% dmg inc at the same time? Cool |
| 23:44.59 | Thunder_Child | and is 700 the max posts on a single topic? |
| 23:45.05 | Maldivia | rogues wound poisons are now percentage based! (and has a damage factor aswell) |
| 23:45.16 | Kirkburn | They can be unlocked to go higher, but yeah |
| 23:45.23 | Kirkburn | Funky |
| 23:45.32 | Maldivia | evasion nerfed to 25% ranged |
| 23:45.39 | Thunder_Child | yea, 32 pages of -Crap- |
| 23:45.44 | Maldivia | imp sap is no 100% back to stealth, for 2 points |
| 23:45.51 | Kirkburn | Basing some powers on exact humbers really doesn't work for some things |
| 23:46.06 | Kirkburn | CoW with it's dmg decrease was severly overpowered for dual-wielders |
| 23:46.11 | Maldivia | rogue talent, Surprise attack, now means finishers can't be dodged |
| 23:46.34 | Kirkburn | Druid is also of interest to me :) |
| 23:47.34 | Maldivia | mangle is now 10sec debuff, instead of 12 |
| 23:47.42 | Maldivia | barkskin can now be used while stunned |
| 23:48.13 | Kirkburn | funky |
| 23:48.17 | Thrae | Where's the patch notes? |
| 23:48.30 | Maldivia | punce now dont have a "behind taregt" requirement |
| 23:48.33 | Kirkburn|Vista | Patch notes: http://beta.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=560370&sid=1 |
| 23:48.39 | zenzelezz | you can't log the combat log to file, right? |
| 23:48.49 | Kirkburn | But Mal is checking the spell database |
| 23:48.54 | DrDre | Maldivia: where did u get the info bout tea? |
| 23:49.06 | Thrae | zenzelezz: Not in 1.x |
| 23:49.07 | SP|Sorren | zenzelezz im pretty sure you can |
| 23:49.10 | Maldivia | when I updated my database, it was changed :) |
| 23:49.16 | DrDre | database? |
| 23:49.30 | Kirkburn | Spells.dbc, no? |
| 23:49.33 | Maldivia | item database |
| 23:49.41 | Kirkburn | Oh yeah, that :P |
| 23:49.45 | DrDre | you can look in there? |
| 23:49.45 | Maldivia | which references spells, so parsing those |
| 23:49.54 | DrDre | servers arnt up are they lol |
| 23:50.05 | Kirkburn | now ... where's my server? :) |
| 23:50.28 | Kirkburn | I hope there's more new quests rather than just Shadowmoon Valley |
| 23:51.57 | Maldivia | uhh, and mage tier 4 set bonuses are in :) |
| 23:52.07 | Maldivia | HOLY |
| 23:52.21 | Maldivia | (2) Set: Gives you a 100% chance to avoid interruption caused by damage while casting Fireball or Frostbolt. |
| 23:52.23 | Kirkburn | Good, are they? |
| 23:52.29 | Kirkburn | woah |
| 23:52.31 | DrDre | @.@ |
| 23:53.33 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Mike-N-Go (n=Mike@64.193.93.197) |
| 23:54.14 | Kirkburn | Maldivia, any sign of Manaloom? |
| 23:54.20 | Maldivia | they are in |
| 23:54.28 | Maldivia | according to blue post |
| 23:54.34 | Kirkburn | Tailors rejoice! |
| 23:54.49 | DrDre | whats manaloom |
| 23:55.20 | Kirkburn|Vista | "It's used for upper level (post 300) Tailoring tradeskills." |
| 23:55.26 | Maldivia | hunter 2 sec: -5% resist chance on FD |
| 23:55.46 | Maldivia | hunter 4 set: -10% mana on multi-shot |
| 23:56.07 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Nickenyfiken (n=chatzill@83.145.59.23) |
| 23:57.07 | SP|Sorren | whaaaat |
| 23:57.15 | Thunder_Child | mal, where are you getting this stuff from? |
| 23:57.23 | DrDre | rogues pls |
| 23:57.24 | SP|Sorren | mages get 100% chance to avoid interrupts, and we get -5% resist on FD? |
| 23:57.25 | DrDre | setbonuses |
| 23:58.03 | Thrae | Probably Blizzard thinks the set bonuses from previous sets are sufficient balancing. |
| 23:58.21 | *** join/#wowi-lounge ckknight (n=ckknight@198.199.136.119) |
| 23:58.31 | Thunder_Child | hey ck |
| 23:58.34 | Maldivia | DrDre: well, they aren't new: -10 energy to feint, 50% chance on finishing moves that crit, to adda a combo |
| 23:58.37 | ckknight | hey all |
| 23:58.56 | SP|Sorren | hey |
| 23:58.56 | DrDre | i hadnt seen em :P |
| 23:59.02 | DrDre | only 2 set bonuses on each? |
