| 00:00.22 | Maldivia | hmm... T6 set bonuses are in... |
| 00:01.33 | Gnarfoz_ | that's a typo, right? |
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| 00:02.42 | Kaso | where's the T5 vendor? |
| 00:02.46 | Kirkburn | Tier SIX? |
| 00:03.34 | Maldivia | with the patch were added around 30 new sets |
| 00:03.50 | Kirkburn | ooh |
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| 00:04.00 | Kirkburn | And quests to Blade's Edge I hope |
| 00:04.25 | Maldivia | some pvp sets, and what looks like pve sets |
| 00:04.32 | Maldivia | hence the guess for T6 |
| 00:04.48 | Kirkburn | Intruiging! |
| 00:05.10 | Massaimah | Well i do wonder what t6 warlock will look like then... after the T5 hard to do better |
| 00:05.23 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 00:05.25 | Maldivia | although, the set bonuses do look a bit... not raidish... |
| 00:05.35 | nevcairiel | could you actually see the t5 in game somewhere? |
| 00:05.49 | TonyD | bah, why don't we get patch notes? |
| 00:06.43 | nevcairiel | and no one numberd the blue 5 piece set from the 70 dungeons |
| 00:06.49 | nevcairiel | whats that ? 3.5 ? |
| 00:06.50 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 00:08.00 | Maldivia | nevcairiel: I labeled that TBC Dungeon :) |
| 00:08.02 | Gnarfoz_ | Maldivia: giev set bonuses ;) |
| 00:08.16 | Maldivia | tell me a class, and I'll try to find it |
| 00:08.21 | nevcairiel | druid |
| 00:08.22 | Xuerian | deiv diffs o_o |
| 00:08.22 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 00:08.27 | nevcairiel | druid healing |
| 00:08.29 | nevcairiel | tho |
| 00:08.29 | Xuerian | s/deiv/geiv/ |
| 00:08.30 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 00:08.47 | Maldivia | Thunderheart Raiment |
| 00:08.47 | Maldivia | (2) Set: Reduces the cooldown of your Swiftmend ability by 2 sec. |
| 00:08.47 | Maldivia | (4) Set: Increases the healing from your Healing Touch ability by 5%. |
| 00:08.59 | nevcairiel | the first bonus i great |
| 00:09.03 | nevcairiel | second ... |
| 00:09.22 | Massaimah | those are t3 not? |
| 00:10.08 | TonyD | ooh, new map icon |
| 00:10.10 | nevcairiel | all those sets in BC is getting confusing |
| 00:10.31 | nevcairiel | so, the T4 tokesn drop in karazhan .. all there or where else? |
| 00:10.42 | Gnarfoz_ | 3 of them that are known, last I heard |
| 00:11.37 | Massaimah | Hmmm T5 will be incorporating optional items? |
| 00:12.21 | Massaimah | Looking at shaman t5 (pants) and (robe). |
| 00:12.33 | Kirkburn | What time is it PST or EST now? |
| 00:15.05 | nevcairiel | hey kirk you have been running vista for quite a while now, havent you? |
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| 00:16.41 | Tuller | oh wow, 450% armor |
| 00:16.51 | nevcairiel | what did i miss now? |
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| 00:17.08 | Kirkburn | nevcairiel, yes |
| 00:17.38 | nevcairiel | i got a free copy through the MSDNAA stuff now .. was wondering if it was actually usable for daily usage |
| 00:17.55 | Kirkburn | Oh yes, certainly |
| 00:18.00 | Kirkburn | Loads better than XP |
| 00:18.26 | Kirkburn | I only really get one bug on RC2 and as it tells me every time "fixed for RTM" |
| 00:18.41 | nevcairiel | ok, will reserve some time on the weekend installing :) |
| 00:18.46 | Kirkburn | Enjoy! |
| 00:19.08 | nevcairiel | its "only" Business tho .. but i dont think ultimate would offer lots i need |
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| 00:19.46 | Kirkburn | Not atm, but when the Ultimate Extras come out, you may get jealous :P |
| 00:20.01 | nevcairiel | i only get Business for free tho :( |
| 00:20.03 | Gnarfoz_ | how can vista be 'loads better' than xp, when xp already does everything plus something extra? |
| 00:20.04 | Gnarfoz_ | ;D |
| 00:20.40 | Kirkburn | nevcairiel, it's free! That's what's important :P |
| 00:21.12 | nevcairiel | yeah |
| 00:21.12 | Kirkburn | No point a huge amount more for a minor upgrade, I guess :P |
| 00:21.16 | nevcairiel | yay legal windows :D |
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| 00:21.30 | Kirkburn | s/nt/nt paying/ |
| 00:22.00 | nevcairiel | oh i really hope i can use my flying mount around more places again. |
| 00:22.03 | nevcairiel | now with the pathc |
| 00:22.26 | Kirkburn | oooh, good point! |
| 00:22.33 | Kirkburn | I worked out what the problem was |
| 00:22.55 | nevcairiel | you have to be in a subzone with a name for it to work |
| 00:22.57 | Kirkburn | They didn't set zone names properly somewhere |
| 00:23.08 | Kirkburn | Yeah, wasn't just flying mounts either |
| 00:23.46 | Kirkburn | There was a quest that said "You have to be in the Netherstorm" ... I had to be in a sub-zone there for it to work |
| 00:24.20 | Maldivia | lol... |
| 00:24.22 | Maldivia | if ( event == "RAID_ROSTER_UPDATE" or "UNIT_PET" and this:IsVisible() ) then |
| 00:24.48 | Kirkburn | wha? |
| 00:24.53 | abug | PlaySound("LOLCLICKCLICKLICKPEWPEWPEW") |
| 00:25.10 | Maldivia | Kirkburn: from the 2.0.3 Blizzard_RaidUI code ) |
| 00:25.31 | nevcairiel | looks like a quick fix for pets |
| 00:25.32 | nevcairiel | hehe |
| 00:25.46 | Maldivia | they forgot event == :) |
| 00:25.50 | Kirkburn | Yeah, my 'wha?' was more 'wtf?' :P |
| 00:26.26 | nevcairiel | hm guess that statement is always true eh :D |
| 00:26.26 | Kirkburn | You found a bug before even running 2.0.3 ... good going :) |
| 00:26.28 | ckknight | Maldivia, do you have a diff? |
| 00:26.38 | Maldivia | ckknight - I'll pastey it :) |
| 00:26.41 | ckknight | cool. |
| 00:26.54 | Kirkburn | So what time is it PST or EST now? |
| 00:27.02 | ckknight | PST 4:26 PM |
| 00:27.12 | ckknight | Maldivia, that's a funny bug. You should let someone know |
| 00:27.21 | nevcairiel | tell Tem |
| 00:27.23 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 00:27.33 | Tem | tell me what? |
| 00:27.39 | ckknight | Tem, bug! |
| 00:27.46 | Tem | in what now? |
| 00:27.50 | nevcairiel | RaidUI |
| 00:27.53 | ckknight | Maldivia will fill you in. |
| 00:27.53 | Maldivia | Tem has something to do with Blizzard_RaidUI |
| 00:27.53 | nevcairiel | 2.0.3 |
| 00:27.58 | Maldivia | ? |
| 00:27.59 | Kirkburn | ckknight, "We expect the realms to be available at approximately 5:00 PM PST" |
| 00:28.03 | Tem | post it on the forums? |
| 00:28.06 | Kirkburn | 30 mins to go, I guess :) |
| 00:28.12 | Maldivia | ckknight: http://wowi.pastey.net/3486 |
| 00:28.19 | Maldivia | Tem: I'm about to |
| 00:28.20 | Tem | oh yeah... I need to patch |
| 00:28.28 | Tierrie|Work | I was thinking of writing a mod that doesn't do anything except aliases a bunch of constants |
| 00:28.30 | Tuller | grr, they decided to break bagnon this time |
| 00:28.38 | nevcairiel | oh noes! |
| 00:28.39 | Tuller | in that, I need to figure out what they did to containerid |
| 00:28.44 | Kirkburn | noo |
| 00:29.08 | TonyD | heh |
| 00:29.32 | TonyD | well, microbuttons and bag buttons work |
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| 00:30.37 | Tuller | well, they added a contant for BANK_CONTAINER |
| 00:32.37 | Kirkburn | Amazing, they actually made GlobalStrings alphabetical now |
| 00:32.38 | nevcairiel | thats why the diff is that long. |
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| 00:33.03 | Kaso | Whats the way to make Frames Close on Esc nowadays? |
| 00:33.09 | Maldivia | uhh, actually 2 bugs in that line :) |
| 00:33.49 | ckknight | Kirkburn, *gasp* |
| 00:34.11 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 00:34.31 | Tem | any druids around with track herbs or tack minerals? |
| 00:34.37 | Maldivia | Kirkburn: it's just a glitch |
| 00:34.49 | Maldivia | Kirkburn: next build, it'll be scrambled again :) |
| 00:34.55 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 00:35.11 | nevcairiel | Tem: here |
| 00:35.30 | Tem | nevcairiel, how does track humanoids interact with track herbs/minerals? |
| 00:36.00 | nevcairiel | Tem: it switches on when herbs is off, but doesnt do anything when herb tracking is on .. i think .. lemme check fast |
| 00:36.10 | nevcairiel | (when i switch to cat, that is) |
| 00:36.59 | Tem | could you? |
| 00:37.48 | nevcairiel | ok tested it, when i have herb tracking on, nothing happens when i switch to cat, but i can still manually turn it on. when herb tracking is off, it switches on |
| 00:37.54 | nevcairiel | like i said :) |
| 00:38.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.the-magicbox.com/0611/ssmbx22.jpg |
| 00:38.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | well i think that sells me on the wii |
| 00:38.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | that one picture |
| 00:38.18 | Tuller | GetInventorySlot hrm |
| 00:39.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | er oops |
| 00:39.33 | Tem | nevcairiel, thanks |
| 00:39.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | guess it needs a referral |
| 00:39.51 | Maldivia | is UnitHasMana new ? |
| 00:39.56 | TonyD | where was the link from? |
| 00:40.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.the-magicbox.com/0611/game061126a6.shtml |
| 00:40.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's a super smash bros x screen |
| 00:40.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | of solid snake sneaking up on link |
| 00:40.52 | TonyD | heh |
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| 00:40.58 | Tuller | bleh, was BankButtonIDToInvSlotID really necessary :) |
| 00:40.58 | TonyD | show me teh metroid |
| 00:41.14 | SP|Sorren | are there no seeds for the new beta patch? :( |
| 00:41.24 | TonyD | give it time |
| 00:41.29 | TonyD | not that many, no |
| 00:41.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | samus is on an earlier page, tony |
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| 00:42.31 | nyvia | anyone around who can help me with mecb(milesenecycastingbars) for ag_uf? |
| 00:42.59 | Kirkburn | Beta servers are up |
| 00:43.11 | nevcairiel | yay |
| 00:43.11 | TonyD | not a smash bros fan |
| 00:43.24 | nevcairiel | i wonder if anything of my stuff broke |
| 00:43.27 | nevcairiel | besides bagnon |
| 00:43.40 | Tierrie|Work | what is this? 2 ERR_APPROACHING_NO_PLAY_TIME = "You have %s until you enter unhealthy time, at which point you will no longer receive experience or loot until you have logged out for 5 hours."; -- Sent every half hour in tired time |
| 00:43.44 | Tierrie|Work | tired time for everyone! |
| 00:43.48 | Tuller | nevcairiel: the only other changes I'm aware of are the cooldown model ones |
| 00:43.51 | Tierrie|Work | aka GetALifeTime |
| 00:44.02 | Kirkburn | Tierrie|Work, it's for china I think |
| 00:44.04 | nevcairiel | Tierrie|Work: thats for chinese clients iirc |
| 00:44.09 | Maldivia | Ahh... they added a toggle for the 1.5 delay, for toggle abilities |
| 00:44.17 | Tuller | nevcairiel: but they shouldn't break anything if you inherit templates |
| 00:44.33 | Kirkburn | oooh, mobs on Netherwing Ledge!! |
| 00:44.55 | ckknight | Tierrie|Work, the Chinese can't play for more than 6 or so hours in a row |
| 00:45.25 | Gnarfoz_ | 3 hours = half exp/rewards |
| 00:45.30 | Gnarfoz_ | 5 hours = no loot/exp |
| 00:45.38 | Tierrie|Work | IF time? |
| 00:45.43 | Gnarfoz_ | if I remember correctly from when that feature was on on the PTR |
| 00:45.45 | Tierrie|Work | I wonder if its per char or per account |
| 00:45.50 | Gnarfoz_ | account |
| 00:45.52 | Gnarfoz_ | ^^ |
| 00:46.20 | Kamaris | what's a good replacement for CheckInteractDistance ? |
| 00:46.21 | nevcairiel | its for stopping them from playing |
| 00:46.24 | nevcairiel | not playing endless alts |
| 00:46.25 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 00:46.35 | End | it's part of chinese law actually |
| 00:46.39 | Tierrie|Work | hey Maldivia, where is the spell changes? |
| 00:46.46 | Tierrie|Work | skills and so forth |
| 00:49.31 | FlAWD | evenin' |
| 00:53.03 | Thardal | and blizzard loves it because it just requires all chinese to buy two copies of the game |
| 00:54.50 | Tierrie|Work | i wonder how raids work when you get to Rag and no loot for joo |
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| 00:56.35 | Thardal | would be funny if nothing dropped, so they have to run raids twice as much as the westerners because of the stupid law |
| 00:56.51 | Thardal | actually its like every other time someone tried to legislate morality |
| 00:57.16 | Thardal | in the best case it doesnt work at all, but usually it just has the opposite effect |
| 00:58.38 | Thardal | damn ace addons are a bitch to understand the source code of |
| 00:59.18 | Thardal | and when you finally dig through 5 different ace libraries to find out what some function does it's usually something that couldve done in an equal amount of lines with pure blizzard provided code |
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| 00:59.33 | Tuller | also, my memory usage is down to stipidly low levels (10.2 MB) |
| 00:59.37 | ckknight | Thardal, example? We're always looking to improve. |
| 00:59.52 | Tuller | I think I was at 11 pre patch, but it might be because bagnon is broken :) |
| 01:01.05 | Thardal | the whole inter addon communication stuf |
| 01:01.07 | Thardal | +f |
| 01:01.49 | Thardal | i'm doing that in a simple string.gsub |
| 01:03.45 | abug | kirkburn: there's a quest for killing a black dragon up there isn't there? |
| 01:04.14 | Kirkburn | Yeah |
| 01:04.36 | ckknight | Thardal, I don't understand what you mean, sorry. |
| 01:09.06 | Kaso | kirkburn |
| 01:09.10 | Kirkburn | kaso |
| 01:09.15 | Kaso | got a beta patch :> |
| 01:09.56 | Kirkburn | You want me to upload it, don't you :P |
| 01:10.21 | Kaso | maybe |
| 01:10.34 | Kaso | i wanna see for myself |
| 01:10.45 | Kaso | howmuch theyve raped my transendance :< |
| 01:11.58 | Kirkburn | lol |
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| 01:12.24 | Kaso | i hear its nolonger 15% after todays "Great percentage purge" |
| 01:14.12 | Kirov | Thardal - almost all of Ace is about trying to be as rediculously efficient as possible. |
| 01:14.18 | xgravix | just what i need more nerfs |
| 01:14.40 | Kirov | unlike, say, DAB, which is all about as being inefficient as possible |
| 01:14.51 | xgravix | ((>_<)) |
| 01:15.00 | Kirkburn | Kaso, http://www.kirkburn.eu/Hosted/WoW-2.0.2.6178-to-2.0.3.6213-enGB-patch.exe should be active soon |
| 01:15.15 | Kirkburn | Soon, as in, about 15 mins |
| 01:15.15 | abug | enGB QQ |
| 01:15.27 | Kaso | oh |
| 01:17.16 | Kirov | Anyone know if there are any new mount speed increase enchants / items in beta? |
| 01:17.54 | Kaso | yes |
| 01:18.08 | Kaso | theres a trinket that gives 10% passive and 25% on Use: |
| 01:18.16 | Kaso | and its awesome! |
| 01:18.22 | Kirov | Kaso - you have it on the beta? |
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| 01:18.27 | Kaso | yes |
| 01:18.37 | Kirov | Kaso - can you get the itemid for it? |
| 01:19.12 | Kaso | 25653 |
| 01:19.20 | Kirov | And what is it called |
| 01:19.21 | Kirkburn | Lol, I have +666 spell dmg ... I'm a warlock :D |
| 01:19.26 | Garoun|Loupana | the leather workers have riding crop |
| 01:19.29 | Garoun|Loupana | that increases mount speed |
| 01:19.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | Kaso |
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| 01:19.36 | Kaso | mmhm? |
| 01:19.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | today's no probation day! yaaay! |
| 01:19.47 | Kaso | haha, indeed |
| 01:19.51 | Kaso | funfun all around |
| 01:19.56 | Kirov | Garoun - trinket? |
| 01:20.09 | Garoun|Loupana | I think so |
| 01:20.13 | Kaso | Kirov that was what i gave you ID for |
| 01:20.45 | Kirov | It's called Riding Crop? |
| 01:20.48 | Kaso | yes |
| 01:21.25 | Kirov | awesome |
| 01:21.25 | Garoun|Loupana | http://thottbot.com/beta?i=15245 |
| 01:21.30 | Kaso | i agree with what AgrippaNothing said here Mr_Rabies2, i remeber when that fool was trolling the wow forum, very annoyinghttp://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2224151 |
| 01:22.02 | Kirkburn | Woah, severe lag |
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| 01:22.44 | Kirov | Kaso / Garoun - thanks, going to add it to http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/files/details/5162/simplemountequip/ |
| 01:23.02 | Kirov | </shameless plug> |
| 01:23.07 | Kaso | haha |
| 01:23.29 | Kaso | i could do with somethign like that, forget to put trinket on all the time |
| 01:23.41 | Garoun|Loupana | bah server is down |
| 01:23.47 | Kaso | Kirkburn when will i know when to start download? |
| 01:23.58 | Kirkburn | When I say so =) |
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| 01:24.38 | Maldivia | ohh, ups |
| 01:24.45 | Tierrie|Work | wooth Garoun, its not BoP |
| 01:24.51 | Maldivia | I forgot to paste the url to my mirror :) |
| 01:24.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | i use wardrobe's mount equip profile thing, but SimpleMountEquip sounds like a good idea too :P |
| 01:25.03 | Garoun|Loupana | of course not :) |
| 01:25.09 | ckknight | server's not down, Outland's down |
| 01:25.10 | ckknight | I think |
| 01:25.10 | Garoun|Loupana | it's an awesome item |
| 01:25.17 | Garoun|Loupana | yeah ck, outland is down |
| 01:25.21 | Tierrie|Work | hey you never know -- btw is there a mod that seperates your bop items from your unbound boe items? |
| 01:25.22 | Garoun|Loupana | I was able to log into org |
| 01:25.27 | Tierrie|Work | because in TBC I can see that being useful |
| 01:25.54 | Tierrie|Work | hell i could use a mod that says "mail all boe items to X" and hooks onto mail mod |
| 01:26.43 | Kirov | Mr_Rabies2 - The issue I've had with most item mods that do mounting is that they don't save what you had one when you swapped, but have a "set" they swap back to. Or, if you change your gear after you mount, it'll revert back to what you had before you mounted. |
| 01:27.12 | Kirov | Mine does neither. |
| 01:27.13 | Garoun|Loupana | I'm tempted to goof off on my 45 priest and make him a full discipline :x |
| 01:27.18 | Garoun|Loupana | why, don't ask me |
| 01:28.02 | Kirov | My addon also _requires no setup_ to work. heh |
| 01:28.02 | Kirov | I'm big on the not having to _do_ anything to get a mod to do something useful. |
| 01:28.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | i think Wardrobe now swaps to whatever you were wearing before when you dismount |
| 01:28.03 | Tierrie|Work | Kaso: I don't understand that url you linked |
| 01:28.09 | Tierrie|Work | all there is is a list of banned users |
| 01:28.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | but yeah i know what you mean |
| 01:28.21 | Kirov | Mr_Rabies2 - but if you change your gear after you mount, will it still try to switch back? |
| 01:28.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm not sure, actually |
| 01:28.41 | Kaso | Tierrie is was sorta something Mr_Rabies would only understand |
| 01:29.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | i know it used to swap to the pre-mounted gear, but he might have changed it |
| 01:29.08 | Kirkburn | Kaso, 5 mins to go |
| 01:29.24 | Kaso | ok |
| 01:29.25 | Kaso | thanks |
| 01:29.58 | Kirkburn | Already found a broken quest =) |
| 01:31.22 | Kirov | ew, and Wardrobe uses the IsMounted() function, which doesn't work well |
| 01:31.46 | Kaso | yah |
| 01:31.54 | Kaso | i remeber trying to use wardrobes |
| 01:31.55 | Kaso | one |
| 01:32.00 | Kirkburn | hmm, massive memory leaks |
| 01:32.55 | Kirov | Kirkburn - |
| 01:32.56 | Kirov | <OnUpdate> |
| 01:32.56 | Kirov | for i=1, ceil(GetTime()) do |
| 01:33.05 | Kirov | ? |
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| 01:34.40 | Kirkburn | Kaso, done |
| 01:34.45 | Kaso | ty |
| 01:35.53 | Kirkburn | aaaah, ffs, I got disconnected during a dangerous quest :/ |
| 01:36.11 | Kirkburn | Who killed the server? nevcairiel, it was you wasn't it ... |
| 01:36.11 | SP|Sorren | {death} |
| 01:37.23 | Kirkburn | Phew, server rollback |
| 01:38.51 | Kirkburn | And no mobs |
| 01:39.04 | jaxdahl | why is wowi running x-low bw now? |
| 01:39.21 | nevcairiel | Kirkburn: stop killing it |
| 01:39.23 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 01:40.02 | Kirkburn | Waitasec, I'm wearing the wrong headdress on the login screen - but where I rolled back to was ages past when a swapped it :/ |
| 01:40.05 | Tem | jaxdahl, because they're still getting very heavy traffic |
| 01:41.16 | Kaso | im done kirk, if you wanted to take it down |
| 01:41.35 | Kirkburn | Nah, shall leave it for now - any other enGB people wanna download the patch? |
| 01:41.38 | abug | english version plz |
| 01:41.49 | abug | er US |
| 01:42.04 | Kirkburn | ffs, I died! |
| 01:42.07 | abug | :P |
| 01:42.17 | Kirkburn | From falling damage :/ |
| 01:44.06 | Kirkburn | nevcairiel, still no mobs? |
| 01:45.42 | Kaso | Error: ContainerIDToInventoryID(): invalid container ID :< |
| 01:46.04 | Kaso | yah still no mobs kirk |
| 01:46.55 | Kirkburn | Tell me when there are, cause I don't want to die falling again :) |
| 01:49.57 | Kaso | WTFWTFWTF |
| 01:50.04 | Kirkburn | Should the 2.0.2 changes thread now be called 2.0.3 changes? |
| 01:50.05 | Kaso | they removed riding crop's Use: |
| 01:50.23 | Kirkburn | :O |
| 01:50.56 | nevcairiel | Kirkburn: i dunno, just logged out |
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| 01:53.49 | Wingforce2 | Esamynn, you still working on a lib to add Cartographer map notes to minimap? |
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| 01:54.24 | Esamynn | it's a general purpose lib for an AddOn that wishes to do that |
| 01:54.51 | Garoun|Loupana | hmm someone give me a good 2h pvp spec for my orc warrior ;P |
| 01:55.02 | Wingforce2 | gotcha... is it still in the works? |
| 01:55.26 | Esamynn | yes, for the moment, I expect to release a preliminary version later this week |
| 01:55.56 | Wingforce2 | sweet, thx for info |
| 01:56.04 | seebs | Hey, any rumors on when WoW will stop randomly asserting that arbitrary unrelated mods performed prohibited actions? :) |
| 01:56.33 | Esamynn | seebs: the fault there lies with the AddOns themselves |
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| 01:56.58 | seebs | I am not at all convinced of this. |
| 01:57.19 | seebs | I seem to recall some blue responses confirming known problems with WoW identifying the wrong addon as the culprit, at least. |
| 01:57.40 | Esamynn | those problems have all been fixed afaik |
| 01:58.13 | JoshBorke | cladhaire: ping |
| 01:58.26 | seebs | Huh. I'll give it another try. Yesterday, if I tried to disenchant something, I got told that Chronos had performed a prohibited action. Removed that, got told Sea had, and so on. |
| 01:58.30 | seebs | The workaround was to right-click. |
| 01:58.31 | JoshBorke | i just missed cairenn :-( |
| 01:58.56 | Esamynn | there is likely a bad hook involved |
| 01:59.21 | Esamynn | because those are librarys, those might not be the actual addons at fault, but rather an AddOn that uses them |
| 01:59.34 | Wingforce2 | yall have any IRC clients you would recommend? |
| 01:59.40 | seebs | I use xchat2. |
| 02:00.53 | Wingforce2 | have not used IRC in many many years, just downloded Babbel tonight, so far so good |
| 02:02.00 | Zicon | wingforce2: Welcome back, then. :) |
| 02:02.29 | Zicon | I'd recommend irssi, but chances are good you don't have the right os for it. |
| 02:03.02 | Wingforce2 | have Linux(Gentoo) and Windows only |
| 02:03.25 | Zicon | Oh, if you have linux available, then you can use it. :) |
| 02:03.35 | Wingforce2 | coolio, I will give it a shot |
| 02:04.32 | Kaso | Fetish of the Sand Reaver nerfed |
| 02:05.32 | Wingforce2 | have recently switched from Titan to FuBar, props to anyone on here who does Fu development (ckknight) very nice addon series |
| 02:06.07 | ckknight | Wingforce2, I'm also the author of Cartographer, saw you mention that earlier ;-) |
| 02:06.24 | Wingforce2 | I know, see you name all over the place... makes me wonder how much sleep you get |
| 02:06.41 | ckknight | meh |
| 02:06.43 | ckknight | I do alright |
| 02:06.58 | Wingforce2 | did you use Lua before WoW plug-in dev? |
| 02:08.23 | Zicon | wingforce2: ckknight can code in his sleep. Or he has coding slaves in his basement. |
| 02:08.49 | ckknight | no, Wingforce2, my first foray into lua was writing FuBar |
| 02:08.54 | Wingforce2 | I think that latter... im sure if you counted all the lines of code it would be some incredible number |
| 02:09.37 | ckknight | which I consider bad |
| 02:09.41 | ckknight | less lines of code = good |
| 02:09.51 | ckknight | as long as you don't sacrifice clarity |
| 02:10.07 | Wingforce2 | of course... provided its readable and supportable... was more a comment on the amount of plugins with your name by them |
| 02:10.18 | xlvii | can anyone crack md5? E87D4CF8D12F6752F4541E4ABF470CD084AFE6C1 |
| 02:10.55 | Wingforce2 | passcracking.com |
| 02:11.00 | Wingforce2 | err check that out for MD5 crack |
| 02:12.27 | ckknight | Wingforce2, *thumbs up* I'm also an Ace2 dev, which is really the "biggest" project |
| 02:13.00 | Wingforce2 | yeah dont quite get the realtionship there (I stumbled across Fu after 2.0 patch)... Ace is the OO based framework for plug-ins |
| 02:13.01 | Wingforce2 | ?? |
| 02:13.43 | ckknight | ~wowace |
| 02:13.44 | purl | from memory, ace is a lightweight and powerful system for building World of Warcraft addons. It is coded to keep CPU-usage, memory-usage, and GC churn in mind. See http://www.wowace.com/ |
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| 02:16.30 | Wingforce2 | ill read up on it.. im toying with the idea of getting a little more involved in plug-in dev, have only written one backend (no GUI component) plug-in but would like to be able to help out the cause |
| 02:16.49 | Wingforce2 | seems unfair to be a user only and not a contributor if you know how to program :) |
| 02:16.57 | Kirkburn | Still no mobs on Tempest Keep EU |
| 02:18.02 | Kaso | tones of items have been changed |
| 02:18.25 | Kaso | and by changed, i mean nerfed |
| 02:19.03 | xlvii | does wow cap fps? i heard it had something to do with my processor (amd x2) |
| 02:19.30 | Kirkburn | Depends, depends, depends, xlvii |
| 02:19.48 | xlvii | well, i set my refresh rate to 76 hz. |
| 02:19.53 | xlvii | and it caps it at 74 fps |
| 02:20.26 | Kirkburn | VSync on? |
| 02:20.46 | xlvii | yes.. |
| 02:20.50 | xlvii | otherwise it tears :( |
| 02:20.50 | Kirkburn | If Vertical Sync is on, that would explain it |
| 02:20.57 | Kirkburn | Read the tooltip then :P |
| 02:21.11 | Osagasu | Yeah, VSync caps FPS to prevent tearing |
| 02:21.21 | Osagasu | I've never actually seen tearing... what's it look like? |
| 02:21.37 | xlvii | osagasu, mm.. |
| 02:21.37 | Kirkburn | Just a horizontal misalignment |
| 02:21.43 | xlvii | it's hurts your eyes..t |
| 02:21.45 | xlvii | trips them out. |
| 02:21.56 | Kirkburn | Like half your screen is about 5 pixels to the right of where it should be |
| 02:22.00 | xlvii | i'll see if i can get a screenshot |
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| 02:22.27 | Kirkburn | (occurs during movement, some of the screen is updated, some isn't) |
| 02:22.35 | smoke_ | /script i=GetChannelName("premage"); SendChatMessage("%T"..i, 1);/cast Polymorph |
| 02:22.55 | smoke_ | why isnt passing a numeric value working to get it to write it to a chanenl name? |
| 02:22.59 | smoke_ | the function SendChatMessage? |
| 02:23.01 | Kaso | http://kasoo.net/img/imgs/changeditems.gif |
| 02:24.43 | Kirkburn | "when running off clifts or high places with flying mounts, they will fall to their death(with you attached of course) unless you intervene and remind them they should be flying." |
| 02:24.52 | Kirkburn | ^ flying mount change |
| 02:25.00 | Kaso | wtf noo |
| 02:25.13 | Kirkburn | It only takes a tap of the spacebar, c'mon :P |
| 02:25.27 | Kaso | haha im lazy! |
| 02:26.07 | Zicon | "Oh, we're falling off a cliff. Well, rider hasn't said I should be flying, so guess we're supposed to plummet to our deaths." Yeah, that makes perfect sense. |
| 02:26.30 | Kirkburn | hehehe |
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| 02:26.57 | Kirkburn | Hmm, did flying mounts tip towards the side you're turning to before? |
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| 02:27.26 | Kirkburn | (they also have running noises now, btw, quite nice ones) |
| 02:28.05 | Kaso | thats actually pretty cool |
| 02:28.10 | Kaso | the falling thing |
| 02:29.20 | Kirkburn | I just need frickin' mobs now :P |
| 02:29.46 | Kaso | i bet it wont be fixed till 8PM tommorrow |
| 02:30.45 | smoke_ | why isnt /script SendChatMessage("%T",GetChannelName("premage")) |
| 02:30.45 | smoke_ | working? |
| 02:30.45 | smoke_ | it says "invalid channel type" |
| 02:30.45 | smoke_ | unknown channel type i mean |
| 02:30.57 | Kaso | you want |
| 02:31.05 | Kaso | SendChatMessage("%T","CHANNEL",nil,GetChannelName("premage")) |
| 02:31.54 | smoke_ | thanks |
| 02:32.42 | Thardal | SendChatMessage("%T","CHANNEL","Taurahe",GetChannelName("premage")) |
| 02:33.02 | Kaso | why Taurahe? |
| 02:33.16 | Kaso | I assume thats hes a mage, thus cant speak taurahe |
| 02:33.37 | Thardal | thats the point |
| 02:34.30 | Thardal | it's like putting CoT on mandokir |
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| 02:34.49 | Kaso | you cant speak in lanuages that arent yours anymore |
| 02:35.30 | xgravix | anyone know if an addon exists that speeds up mass disenchanting? |
| 02:35.59 | Nom_ | Why would you want to mass disenchant? |
| 02:36.08 | Neuro_Medivh | poor druids got nerfed |
| 02:36.21 | Thardal | if you steal passwords you sometimes only have little time to disenchant everything for nexuses |
| 02:36.30 | Nom- | What? No more 4000 damage crits? |
| 02:36.30 | cladhaire | I am soooo sick of 400 person queues =( |
| 02:36.33 | Nom- | Aww poor babies |
| 02:36.52 | xgravix | i buy off the AH and resell the reagents |
| 02:36.54 | Neuro_Medivh | Now they only get 25% health in bear form instead of 40% |
| 02:37.05 | xgravix | i hope you aren't accusing me of being an account thief |
| 02:37.07 | Nom- | Thardal: Execept for that to work, you need to have enchanting 300 on the character you haxor |
| 02:38.08 | Thunder_Child | well 300 now... |
| 02:38.57 | Kirkburn | Cute little cartoon - http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/death+kitty+and+the+fat+man/ |
| 02:39.12 | Thardal | i'm a druid and i think bear needed to be nerfed |
| 02:39.23 | Thardal | but they should now fix moonkin instead tbh |
| 02:41.59 | seebs | I never got the hang of bear; I just play in cat form most of the time. |
| 02:43.04 | cladhaire | i love bear form =) |
| 02:43.18 | ckknight | anyone know much about maps, and specifically the creation of maps from minimap textures? |
| 02:44.26 | Nom- | about time for the healh nerf |
| 02:44.35 | Nom- | It's hard enough to kill a bear form druid |
| 02:44.43 | Nom- | Let alone one with 15K HAM |
| 02:45.51 | seebs | Hmm. Maybe I should give it another look. I take it the focus in bear form is less on killing things instantly and more on being more durable than they are, then? |
| 02:46.14 | cladhaire | seebs: aye.. and the fact that you can survive like whoa in bear form, bash.. then heal, then go back to it |
| 02:46.16 | cladhaire | slower |
| 02:46.17 | cladhaire | no downtime tho |
| 02:46.21 | seebs | My druid's only L36. |
| 02:46.34 | Thardal | if you have good bear gear you get like 10k armor |
| 02:46.38 | Thardal | and 6k health |
| 02:46.55 | Thardal | you can just sit there, let physical damage hit you and laugh at them |
| 02:47.14 | seebs | Well, I've been fighting mobs a little below my level, and a lot of my gear is +AGI, which would be less useful in bear form, but I've had no downtime to speak of mostly. |
| 02:47.28 | seebs | About one fight in five, my prowl isn't even off cooldown yet when I'm done looting. |
| 02:53.59 | Kirkburn | Woo, 24 alliance people online on Tempest Keep EU atm :D |
| 02:54.54 | Kaso | nothing to do but look at alll the nerfed items, gets boring fast |
| 02:56.28 | Kirkburn | Only 10 people aren't in an instance! |
| 02:56.44 | Kirkburn | On an ENTIRE server :/ |
| 02:56.59 | Kirkburn | woot |
| 02:57.36 | Kirkburn | Time to read another Warcraft novel methinks |
| 02:57.48 | Kirkburn | Cycle of Hatred this time :) |
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| 03:04.01 | Tierrie|Work | if they ever have BlizzCon again it better be held in a larger venu |
| 03:04.11 | Tierrie|Work | like say, Earth |
| 03:04.37 | Thunder_Child | i think they should have blizzcon just before or after defcon |
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| 03:10.15 | Kaso | anyone a mage? |
| 03:10.23 | Kaso | or druid or shaman |
| 03:10.43 | Wingforce2 | mage |
| 03:10.58 | Kaso | im wondering if threre's still that bug where if you macro together PoM/NS and a spell you cant cast it properly while running |
| 03:11.45 | Wingforce2 | can you paste me the macro code to try it? |
| 03:11.50 | Tuller | so yes, my bag slots thing they're equipment slots :) |
| 03:12.57 | Kaso | Wingforce2: /cast Presence of Mind /stopcasting /cast Frostbolt |
| 03:13.04 | Kaso | each / on a new line |
| 03:13.13 | Wingforce2 | k |
| 03:13.25 | Kaso | you have pom i assume :> |
| 03:13.55 | Wingforce2 | doh... nope |
| 03:14.15 | Kaso | then it wont work :< |
| 03:14.20 | Kaso | nm |
| 03:14.23 | Wingforce2 | sorry bout that |
| 03:14.26 | Kaso | not important just a passing thought |
| 03:15.26 | Wingforce2 | im lvl53 and too heavy in Frost branch to get PoM |
| 03:16.49 | Guillotine | Kaso: still there |
| 03:17.43 | Kaso | yes |
| 03:19.49 | Athaeus | Ouch, Worldofwar allows 'inactive' mods to be taken over? |
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| 03:20.41 | MentalPower | yes... |
| 03:20.49 | MentalPower | asking for trouble IMO |
| 03:20.56 | MentalPower | copyright issues abound |
| 03:21.04 | Athaeus | Someone got my project space on a mod not updated since March... As it worked fine |
| 03:21.38 | Kirkburn | Then ask for it back |
| 03:21.41 | Athaeus | Now he published a patched version - All fine. Under my project space, mod name, and my name out of the Readme (removed) and .toc |
| 03:21.45 | Athaeus | I did |
| 03:21.45 | Kirkburn | Sheesh |
| 03:22.14 | Kirkburn | Link? |
| 03:22.19 | Guillotine | Athaeus: thats why I don't use worldofwar anymore. had 2 of my exact mods posted under a different name and they wouldn't remove them |
| 03:22.45 | Kirkburn | "Wouldn't", sounds a bit fishy? |
| 03:22.46 | Athaeus | Anyone is free to use my code. Preferably not on my project space, lacking credit and functionality (he stripped it down ALOT, good for consistency with previous versions) |
| 03:22.57 | Athaeus | http://ui.worldofwar.net/ui.php?id=1717 |
| 03:23.03 | Kirkburn | Athaeus, how the hell is anyone supposed to know you still existed? |
| 03:23.17 | Athaeus | Could drop me a mail at least |
| 03:23.19 | Athaeus | Or a PM |
| 03:23.31 | Neuro_Medivh | I did something similar, actually |
| 03:23.36 | Neuro_Medivh | when I 'took over' eCastingBar |
| 03:23.44 | Kirkburn | You never got a msg about it? Hmm, that is odd |
| 03:23.46 | Athaeus | As far as Im aware the forum software would drop me a notification of it |
| 03:23.48 | Athaeus | Nope |
| 03:24.02 | Athaeus | Bit odd when you update it on curse just to figure someone else took it on Worldofwar |
| 03:24.03 | Neuro_Medivh | however, I emailed both former coders, and definately kept their names in the readme |
| 03:24.24 | Athaeus | He 'fixed' the issue with the spellcasting, yet removed 60% of the other code |
| 03:24.30 | Athaeus | Thats fine |
| 03:25.36 | Athaeus | The main lua file has a short note about it being modified, but no further names, and in the toc its gone, sigh |
| 03:25.44 | Kirkburn | Okay, we get it :) |
| 03:25.57 | Kirkburn | I hope you get it back :P |
| 03:26.01 | Athaeus | I hope so |
| 03:26.19 | Wingforce2 | maybe you should take it as a compliment he chose your mod to steal... :) |
| 03:26.23 | Athaeus | Dropped the guy a PM :) |
| 03:26.37 | MentalPower | Athaeus: are you the person responding in the comments section? |
| 03:26.41 | Athaeus | Well I value the incentive to keep outdated things up to date |
| 03:26.48 | Neuro_Medivh | I felt the same way when some talentless HACK stole my Clearfonts mod, even removed my name from all the code! |
| 03:27.01 | Athaeus | [A] Athaeus is me |
| 03:27.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | dammit idol of ferocity got nerfed |
| 03:27.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | bear form got nerfed |
| 03:27.10 | Kirkburn | Neuro_Medivh, it has happened to me ... |
| 03:27.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | what the hell blizzard :[ |
| 03:27.26 | Neuro_Medivh | lol |
| 03:27.31 | Kirkburn | Because bear form was stupidly ott? |
| 03:27.49 | Kirkburn | Items in Outland have a *lot* more stamina than Azerothian items |
| 03:28.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | and? it's still nowhere near overpowered |
| 03:29.03 | Tuller | bearform does have 450% armor now at least :) |
| 03:29.24 | Tuller | in that tuler can get 10k now unbuffed :) |
| 03:29.25 | Kirkburn | Mr_Rabies2, just how much HP do you think you need?? :) |
| 03:29.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | enough to make up for not having block or parry |
| 03:30.09 | Kirkburn | So spellcasters should have to fight through masses of health for that? |
| 03:30.28 | Xuerian | Ferocity got nerfed too? |
| 03:30.29 | Xuerian | wtf? |
| 03:30.37 | Kirkburn | It's only 40% --> 25% |
| 03:30.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | druids are the farthest thing from OP still |
| 03:31.02 | Kirkburn | Mr_Rabies many, many people disagree |
| 03:31.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | because many many people don't play druids |
| 03:31.40 | Xuerian | That's a 46% reduction :| |
| 03:32.05 | Kirkburn | Xuerian, stop using statistics to make a mtn out of a molehill |
| 03:32.06 | Xuerian | I can see them nerfing items, but rawr, not my fur. :( |
| 03:32.19 | Xuerian | Kirkburn: Didn't you just do that to do the reverse? :) |
| 03:32.34 | Kirkburn | A hundred percent increase of 1 is still only 1 ... |
| 03:32.40 | Kirkburn | No, I stated the exact change |
| 03:32.47 | Xuerian | Well I suck at math. |
| 03:32.51 | Xuerian | How far off was I? :( |
| 03:33.12 | Kirkburn | I didn't say you were wrong, but saying it's a 46% decrease is not a fair description |
| 03:33.17 | Xuerian | What is? ^_^ |
| 03:33.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | so what did we get to balance out our nerf to tank ability |
| 03:33.41 | Kirkburn | Well you described the change in the bonus, not the overall change |
| 03:34.02 | Xuerian | You're right, Kirkburn. Frame of reference was the bonus. I described the change in it. =) |
| 03:34.08 | Kirkburn | The ability to heal, fly, dps, etc, etc ... |
| 03:34.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah we can heal, fly, and tank at the same time |
| 03:34.23 | Kirkburn | Why should a nerf be balanced by a buff? |
| 03:34.31 | Neuro_Medivh | Actually, the exact nerf was 11% of total stamina |
| 03:34.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | because even pre nerf we needed more |
| 03:34.40 | Kirkburn | More what? |
| 03:34.44 | Neuro_Medivh | 125%/1490% |
| 03:34.48 | Neuro_Medivh | 140% |
| 03:34.53 | Xuerian | Kirkburn: This places into action the question of "Why should a nerf occur?" |
| 03:34.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | we're still underpowered and scale like crap at 70 |
| 03:35.01 | Kaso | Flying mounts now bank when you turn, its pretty cool |
| 03:35.15 | Kirkburn | Mr_Rabies2, you really believe druids are underpowered? |
| 03:35.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | yes. |
| 03:35.29 | PProvost | WowAceUpdater v1.6-beta1 is now available for download and testing at http://sf.net/projects/wowaceupdater. Please report any bugs or suggestions to the forums at the project site or to me here. Thanks |
| 03:35.34 | Kirkburn | Then we shall agree to disagree :) |
| 03:35.35 | kergoth | mr_Rabies is crazy |
| 03:35.53 | Kirkburn | Cool, PProvost |
| 03:36.45 | Kirkburn | Xuerian, I was coming back to your point :P |
| 03:37.21 | Kirkburn | Balancing is a tough job, and players of single classes, or even dual or triple mains *cannot* see the full picture |
| 03:37.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | Idol of Brutality now increases the damage of maul and swipe by 50, instead of reducing the cost. |
| 03:37.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | Idol of Ferocity now increases the damage of claw and rake by 20, instead of reducing the cost. (No, it no longer affects mangle either.) |
| 03:38.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | Still can't drink pots, use bandages, etc. in feral forms, and can't remove curses or poisons (or barkskin or root) in tree form. |
| 03:38.01 | Kirkburn | Aha, it's a scaling change |
| 03:38.17 | Kirkburn | Yes, reason being - Blizz don't want lower level items scaling up to level 70 |
| 03:38.29 | Kirkburn | Static stats = good, scaling stats = bad |
| 03:38.33 | Xuerian | I can see the item changes, they're perfectly reasonable. Like you say, Kirkburn, scaling. |
| 03:38.42 | Xuerian | (While I still hate them.) |
| 03:38.49 | Kirkburn | Annoying, but for good reason, yeah |
| 03:38.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | eh |
| 03:38.56 | Xuerian | The innate ability I cannot see. |
| 03:39.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | idols were next to useless before even |
| 03:39.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | they nerfed our only 2 good ones |
| 03:39.17 | Corrodias | hopefully we get new idols |
| 03:39.19 | Xuerian | Druids rely on soaking heavy damage at a steady rate, and our high HP is what that depends on |
| 03:39.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | we're gaining a LOT less come exp than other classes comparitively |
| 03:39.55 | Kirkburn | Idols should not and never will be a very important item |
| 03:40.07 | Xuerian | Kirkburn: Neither should shields. |
| 03:40.09 | Kirkburn | They're a minor bonus item, not another equipment slot |
| 03:40.15 | Kirkburn | What? |
| 03:40.22 | Xuerian | Sorry. Reflex <.< |
| 03:40.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | did they ever fix flight form not giving you flight training? |
| 03:40.27 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 03:40.47 | Corrodias | they are a minor bonus item, but what is to say they shouldn't be more important? like wands? |
| 03:40.48 | Kirkburn | No idea |
| 03:41.17 | Kirkburn | Yes, my wand gives me +12 crit, +14 dmg, not a huge increase |
| 03:41.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | but there's about 10000 wands |
| 03:41.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | and like 3 idols |
| 03:41.33 | Kirkburn | The damage that a wand does is irrelevant |
| 03:41.53 | Xuerian | Anyhow, I disagree slightly. I don't think they should be a very important item, but they should stay in range of their counterparts. Wands are a heavily used item. So are bows. And the damage isn't irrelevant excepting one situation, endgame raiding, most of the time |
| 03:41.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | if there were a ton of idols i'd understand keeping them from scaling, but there's nothing to replace them up to scale naturally |
| 03:42.08 | Kirkburn | Okay, I can understand the problem with the lack of idols |
| 03:42.25 | Kaso | theres an idol that gives 100 +heal on HT i wish my wand gave me 100+heal |
| 03:42.26 | Kirkburn | I'm sure it's a case of not implemented yet for Outland |
| 03:43.02 | Xuerian | Kaso: +100 on Healing Touch is +100 to one out of three spells, and one we'll be using a lot less come expansion |
| 03:43.18 | Kirkburn | Xuerian, the damage is irrelevant because that's not ever been what that slot was for, nor what the class (druid) was based around |
| 03:43.48 | Kirkburn | *Some* will be using less, not all |
| 03:43.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | however we were based around being equally good healers, dps, and tanking with the same gear |
| 03:43.58 | Xuerian | Kirkburn: What are you referring to? I'm comparing the mage/warlock's usage of Wands vs the Druid's use of idols |
| 03:44.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | but we're not. |
| 03:44.21 | Corrodias | unless you get into the raid gear, class-specific sets |
| 03:44.26 | Kirkburn | And I'm saying that that's a false comparison - we were balanced around having wands, druids weren't |
| 03:44.43 | Tem | that and we *never* use them for the damage |
| 03:44.49 | Xuerian | Kirkburn: that's like saying a plane was never meant to have wings because you looked at it 1/4 the way through the design process. |
| 03:44.50 | Tem | the damage they do is irrelevant |
| 03:44.55 | Kirkburn | If you want idols to be comparable to wands, expect nerfs |
| 03:45.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | because compared to warlocks, we're seriously overpowered |
| 03:45.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | or mages |
| 03:45.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | or priests even |
| 03:45.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | they're so underpowered because they have wands compared to our idols |
| 03:45.48 | Xuerian | Kirkburn: I'm not saying I want them to be comparable. I'm saying that I want them to be useful, it's a slot, it's got a reason, and just because we didn't always have it doesn't mean we weren't meant to :P |
| 03:46.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | they can start nerfing druids once they balance locks out first |
| 03:46.02 | Corrodias | we're better than warlocks at healing and better than priests at... uh. well, something. |
| 03:46.12 | Kaso | ARRG i hate the mount falling thing already!! |
| 03:46.19 | Kirkburn | Blizz added them as a bonus, not as an integral part of your class |
| 03:46.24 | Kirkburn | Kaso, it's got me a few times :P |
| 03:46.30 | Xuerian | Kirkburn: With druids, everything you have is a integral part of your class |
| 03:46.35 | Corrodias | i acknowledge that the druid was intended to be flexible, and i don't know why i was dumb enough to choose it |
| 03:46.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | uh i'd like to dispute that, locks commonly outheal me with live drain and skillcoil |
| 03:46.44 | Kaso | I was semi afk flying over Blades edge, i hit a spike and fell |
| 03:46.51 | Corrodias | they heal themselves. i've not known a warlock to heal other people |
| 03:46.55 | Kirkburn | Don't go afk ;) |
| 03:47.15 | Corrodias | "mount falling thing"? |
| 03:47.21 | Kirkburn | If a warlock can outheal you, you're not doing much damage :P |
| 03:47.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | they do all the time in bgs |
| 03:47.54 | Kaso | Corrodias if you run your flying mount offf the edge of a cliff it "falls" until you hit space |
| 03:47.55 | Xuerian | Kirkburn: Anyhow, the "It's not integral" argument is hardly a sound card to play. Idols, till now, have provided a significant function - Greatly improved multiple-mob tanking ability with Brutality, for example. |
| 03:48.16 | Xuerian | Though ferocity was shit... >.> |
| 03:48.37 | Kirkburn | How much was the decrease? |
| 03:48.45 | Kirkburn | (in cost) |
| 03:48.53 | Xuerian | 5? o.0 |
| 03:49.11 | Corrodias | 3 to 5, don't remember exactly |
| 03:49.21 | Xuerian | Ferocity was 5, brutality was 3, I think |
| 03:49.31 | Kirkburn | +50 damage doesn't sound too bad to me? |
| 03:49.40 | Xuerian | Kirkburn: You might think, but no. |
| 03:49.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | both are 3, xue |
| 03:49.53 | Kirkburn | What's the standard hit damage for, say, maul? |
| 03:49.55 | Xuerian | Mr_Rabies: Well, all the more reason ferocity was shit :P |
| 03:50.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | eh |
| 03:50.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | better than anything else for cat gear |
| 03:50.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | now it's equally worthless |
| 03:50.15 | Kaso | are you actualy arguing that the idol change wasnt justified? |
| 03:50.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm saying idols were mostly useless prenerf already |
| 03:50.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | now they're not even worth farming for |
| 03:50.58 | Corrodias | perhaps they will add some more interesting ones for outland |
| 03:51.00 | Xuerian | Kirkburn: Depends on if you're trying to crit tank (5-mans) or damage tank (Single targets)... for me, anyway. The -3 was invaluable because I could swipe much more often, and since I crit about 40% of the time with swipe, triple-crits wasn't uncommon. And landing multiple triple crits fast really, really builds the small mob aggro :) |
| 03:51.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | i doubt it |
| 03:51.18 | Kaso | omg |
| 03:51.23 | Kaso | Gruul's lair is open |
| 03:51.32 | Kirkburn | Mr_Rabies2, so you admit Idols are not that important then? |
| 03:51.41 | Xuerian | Insurrection! Mr_Rabies must die! |
| 03:51.51 | Corrodias | now hold on, you could swipe "much" more often? it costs 15 and the idol only decreased that by 3 |
| 03:52.02 | Xuerian | Judge, I move we strike all Mr_Rabies comments from the record! >.< |
| 03:52.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm saying that something they implemented was useless before and now they're even moreso |
| 03:52.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | we wanted more use |
| 03:52.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | we got less |
| 03:52.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | = fail |
| 03:52.29 | Xuerian | Corrodias: +5 rage per crit :) |
| 03:52.40 | Xuerian | More crits more often is more rage to produce more crits. |
| 03:52.51 | Corrodias | that +5 rage per crit is on the idol? |
| 03:52.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | Primal fury |
| 03:53.03 | Xuerian | No, it's a ability. The idol is the [more crits] part. |
| 03:53.09 | Xuerian | well, [more hits = more crits] |
| 03:53.17 | Corrodias | ...you get back to the idol only reducing the cost by 3, though |
| 03:53.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | which is not a big change, but it's more useful than the crap they changed it to |
| 03:53.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | it goes from next to useless > useless |
| 03:53.50 | Xuerian | Corrodias: Regardless of what it seems like, that 3% was calculated to be a 30% increase (If you don't like statistics, feel free to ignore my argument. Take it as a ballpark if you only have a minor objection) |
| 03:53.52 | Corrodias | that's 20% of the cost of Maul, which is significant, but i wouldn't say that you could use it much more often with the idol than iwthout |
| 03:53.59 | Kirkburn | Useless is a silly term to use |
| 03:54.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'd be happy if they never implemented them and i'd keep egans blaster |
| 03:54.08 | Kirkburn | It's not useless, you just view it as such |
| 03:54.09 | Xuerian | s/3%/3/ |
| 03:55.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm just having less and less reason to buy the expansion every patch so far |
| 03:55.03 | Kirkburn | Would you only use maul and swipe in that situation exclusively? |
| 03:55.05 | Corrodias | i have... a desire to waste time and not do my homework |
| 03:55.16 | Xuerian | Anyhow, I don't like statistics either! XD. In the end, it came out that I could swipe a lot more often. To me, that made tanking easier. Or maul, whatever the case was. |
| 03:55.21 | Corrodias | Mr_Rabies: get a warlock up. quickly! |
| 03:55.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | eh |
| 03:55.29 | Kirkburn | <-- 70 warlock |
| 03:55.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'd rather not throw more money at them |
| 03:55.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh that explains it |
| 03:55.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | don't want anyone coming near the crown i see :] |
| 03:55.54 | Kirkburn | If you play to get useful idols, I'm not certain why you play at all ... :) |
| 03:55.55 | Corrodias | it doesn't explain everything. i suspect Kirkburn knows pretty well what he's talking about. i still don't like the druid. |
| 03:56.08 | Xuerian | Kirkburn: ... play? |
| 03:56.14 | Xuerian | Kirkburn: .... What's that? |
| 03:56.18 | Kirkburn | Heh, I know you don't ;) |
| 03:56.52 | Corrodias | i think if we like healing we should be making priests |
| 03:57.04 | Corrodias | druid is possibly for that super-casual player who doesn't have time for more than one class |
| 03:57.05 | Xuerian | I like healing, but I hate having to heal. |
| 03:57.12 | Xuerian | It's not that I don't have time ;P |
| 03:57.21 | Corrodias | you just never play |
| 03:57.38 | Xuerian | I used to though, and you'll note a good few of my statements were in past tense, though not all... |
| 03:57.52 | Xuerian | So I liked healing but hated having to heal, not that I didn't have time, if you prefer |
| 03:58.16 | Corrodias | aha |
| 03:58.33 | Kaso | Was Gruul and magrethdon open before? |
| 03:58.41 | Kirkburn | Don't think Gruul was |
| 03:58.41 | Xuerian | Though I'll agree fully, if you don't like druid enough it's not worth playing :p |
| 03:58.44 | Corrodias | that's why i'd have two characters by preference, a priest and a mage or warlock, so i could choose which to use |
| 03:59.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.wowhead.com/?items=4.8#00cz |
| 03:59.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.wowhead.com/?items=2.19 |
| 04:00.19 | Kirkburn | Fair few idols there |
| 04:00.25 | Xuerian | The most fun thing about druids IMO, is the rare occasion when you get a genuine opportunity to play hybrid. Really, hybrid. |
| 04:00.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah 17 woo |
| 04:00.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | compared to 153 |
| 04:00.56 | Kirkburn | ? |
| 04:01.01 | Xuerian | Corrodias: Which none of those classes can do :) |
| 04:01.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | 153 wands |
| 04:01.26 | Kirkburn | Mr_Rabies2, do you have any concept of common sense? |
| 04:01.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | plenty |
| 04:01.41 | Corrodias | i don't have enough points in feral to be usable at that. maybe i should respec, but then my raid use would truly plummet |
| 04:01.44 | Kirkburn | Then why are you comparing wands and idols again? |
| 04:01.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | wands = useful idols = useless |
| 04:01.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | because we lose an item slot |
| 04:02.00 | Kirkburn | Idols you get around 60, wands you get *through the entire game* |
| 04:02.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | we lose 2 technically because we're the only hybrid without an option to equip shields |
| 04:02.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | that sounds like another issue then kirk |
| 04:02.21 | Corrodias | well, you're not losing an item slot if you were designed not to use them |
| 04:02.23 | Xuerian | Corrodias: That's the ugly thing about 40-man raids =( |
| 04:02.30 | Kirkburn | No, it sounds like another problem you have with looking beyond your class |
| 04:02.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'd be very happy if they gave us wands |
| 04:02.50 | Kirkburn | Druids = not designed with idols in mind |
| 04:02.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | just no shoot ability |
| 04:03.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | why do you say that? |
| 04:03.02 | Kirkburn | That's what you DO have |
| 04:03.11 | Kirkburn | Because they weren't? |
| 04:03.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | so warlocks weren't designed with having buffed deathcoil in mind? |
| 04:03.37 | Corrodias | because they're minor bonuses and we don't get many of them |
| 04:03.42 | Kirkburn | Okay, so you're comparing a spell to an item? |
| 04:03.50 | Xuerian | Kirkburn: It isn't my side of the argument, but I'm still going to interject that blizzard is changing a lot. Everything from lore, to classes. What was originally meant isn't necessarily what is now :) |
| 04:03.55 | Corrodias | druids are not supposed to have shields because of the extra ten thousand armor or so you could easily get from a shield in bear form, if i'm estimating the value right. |
| 04:03.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm comparing class design to class design |
| 04:04.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | well yeah corr |
| 04:04.11 | Kirkburn | Well, shall I pick another spell change out of a hat now? |
| 04:04.16 | Kirkburn | Ooh, look this spell got changed too! |
| 04:04.39 | Kirkburn | We are comparing an item slot, are we not? |
| 04:04.44 | Corrodias | although shields have +stats on them, we can use one-hand weapons and offhand items, although there are few offhand items. |
| 04:05.24 | Kirkburn | I recommend reading back to why Blizz added idols in the first place |
| 04:05.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | because we were missing a lot of stats |
| 04:05.40 | Kirkburn | It was to give druids the chance to use the 'wasted' slot |
| 04:05.46 | Kirkburn | No, it wasn't |
| 04:05.58 | Kirkburn | Don't start lying to make a point |
| 04:06.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah, and the net gain from going from empty slot -> idol is so small it's not even worth it |
| 04:06.19 | Xuerian | Kirkburn: Thanks for the fun argument tonight. Enjoyable =D... 'night :P |
| 04:06.23 | Kirkburn | heh, g'night |
| 04:06.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | before it was small, now it's next to pointless to go out of your way to get an idol |
| 04:06.58 | Kirkburn | And we're going back to the original point - it's "useless" because you say it is, not because it actually *is* useless |
| 04:07.05 | Corrodias | i rather appreciated the energy usage reduction from the one idol |
| 04:07.09 | Kirkburn | Then don't? |
| 04:07.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm saying it should be a useful item slot |
| 04:07.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'd be happy with Wands without shoot |
| 04:07.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | personally, that would make the slot useful |
| 04:07.45 | Kirkburn | Okay, fair enough, but for that to occur, you would have to lose something elsewhere |
| 04:07.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | why's that? |
| 04:08.17 | Kirkburn | Because you're not balanced for it! |
| 04:08.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | why does a buff have to be balanced with a nerf? you said that yourself only in reverse :] |
| 04:08.31 | Kirkburn | No, I said that in the context of general balancing |
| 04:08.56 | Kirkburn | This is in the context of making a slot useful - for that to occur, they would balance around it |
| 04:09.55 | Kirkburn | if druids were underpowered, they could make the idol slot more useful (disregarding how it's only a 50+ item anyway), but they aren't (in the eyes of blizzard) |
| 04:10.33 | Kirkburn | Anyway, what do you mean by "wands without shoot"? |
| 04:10.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | give us wands, only no ability to use them for damage |
| 04:10.47 | Corrodias | i'm a sucker for hybrids, which never works out for me |
| 04:10.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | we wanted stats in that item slot |
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| 04:10.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | instead we got a half assed attempt at filling it |
| 04:11.41 | Kirkburn | Not all wands have stats |
| 04:11.55 | Kirkburn | Some are just the equivalent of druid +dmg bonuses |
| 04:12.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | no idols have stats |
| 04:12.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'd rather have a minor stat boost than a crappy unnoticable increase here or there |
| 04:12.50 | Kirkburn | I realise that, but I'm just saying wands aren't wonder items =) |
| 04:13.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | they're better than idols in every way |
| 04:13.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | even if you couldn't shoot them |
| 04:13.50 | Kaso | for healing? i beg to differm i'd take the 100healing to HT(greater heal) over my wand of wispering dead any day |
| 04:13.53 | Kirkburn | I know, I know, but they aren't supposed to be equivalent :) |
| 04:13.58 | Corrodias | yes, but once again, druids are better at some things than most other classes, like mages trying to heal or priests trying to tank |
| 04:14.11 | |stefan| | are there any graphical xml layout editors ? |
| 04:14.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | woo, 100 more damage to a 3000 heal is next to unnoticable |
| 04:14.24 | |stefan| | reloading etc is making me crazy =) |
| 04:14.41 | Kaso | So why do i bother to get 33 healing on my shoulders and 55 healing on my weapon |
| 04:14.44 | Corrodias | we don't use the highest rank of HT so much |
| 04:14.48 | Kirkburn | Idols just aren't supposed to be a big upgrade item, they just aren't, and it has always been Blizzard's design intent |
| 04:15.01 | Corrodias | casting the 1200 heal version of HT with +400 healing on your gear is nice |
| 04:15.12 | Kaso | i can say that the 100 healing is 5 times better than the 22 healing i have on my wand! |
| 04:15.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | well, they're pointless now, it's better to use your time to get other slots upgraded and not care about what idol you have |
| 04:15.30 | Thardal | well they are supposed to replicate the stats that for instance warriors get from bows |
| 04:15.41 | grimman | Kaso: Actually, 4.54 times... roughly. ;) |
| 04:15.45 | Thardal | and a melee character can get a lot of benefit from a strikers mark |
| 04:15.56 | Thardal | way better than any idol in the game |
| 04:15.57 | Kirkburn | Again you just described it as "pointless" ... you think it's pointless, it doesn't make it so |
| 04:16.12 | Kirkburn | Thardal, can you quote that? |
| 04:16.23 | Kirkburn | "they are supposed to replicate the stats that for instance warriors get from bows" |
| 04:16.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | if it's an increase that's so minor it only shows up at all in huge huge amounts of testing, then it's pointless |
| 04:16.42 | Kirkburn | Mr_Rabies2, Kaso just showed that to be false |
| 04:17.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah because (up to)100 healing to one spell is 5x better than 22 healing to every spell |
| 04:17.12 | Corrodias | sadly, trees can't use HT |
| 04:17.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | hint (it's not) |
| 04:17.22 | Kaso | how many spells to i cast? |
| 04:17.23 | Thardal | the only idol that compares with epic items drops from viscidus |
| 04:17.27 | Thardal | which almost no one can kill |
| 04:17.30 | Corrodias | it certainly is worthwhile in 1.12... but i'm not so sure about 2.0 |
| 04:17.31 | Kaso | heal, greater heal 80% of the time |
| 04:17.33 | Kirkburn | So that makes it minor? Just because it affects one spell? |
| 04:17.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah. |
| 04:18.02 | Thardal | warriors/rogues get a better stat-gain drop from the second boss in molten core, that druids have to kill the hardest boss in aq40 |
| 04:18.03 | Kaso | Thardal the one healer wand thats better than greens drops off razuivious |
| 04:18.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | it provides an incredibly small boost to one spell, as opposed to an incredibly small boost to all healing spells, AND you can do damage with it |
| 04:18.24 | Corrodias | i'm surprised it only affects Healing Touch, especially considering the new Tree Form which can't use it. :/ |
| 04:18.28 | Thardal | thats true for any wand |
| 04:18.46 | Thardal | "dragon finger of xxx wrath" is better than most epics |
| 04:18.57 | Kirkburn | Hello? Anyone? Idols are NOT supposed to be equivalent to ANY bow and wand item! |
| 04:19.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | just because you say it's true doesn't mean it is :] |
| 04:19.14 | Thardal | so why make them then |
| 04:19.18 | Kirkburn | I'm going from what Blizz originally said |
| 04:19.19 | Corrodias | 1 + 1 = banana |
| 04:19.25 | Thardal | might as well have kept the ghostbuster gun in my ranged slot |
| 04:19.33 | Kirkburn | It's a bonus item to allow druid to make use of a "wasted" slot |
| 04:21.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | The relic slots offer character improvement for the Shaman, Druid and Paladin as a means to compensate for the fact that none of these classes can equip a ranged weapon |
| 04:21.34 | Kirkburn | Yes, not to *replace* it |
| 04:22.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't see how that makes sense |
| 04:23.00 | Kirkburn | To allow them to use the slot, since they wouldn't be able to otherwise |
| 04:23.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'd rather them not even have tried |
| 04:23.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | because they failed at that |
| 04:23.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | even pre-nerf |
| 04:23.39 | Corrodias | i liked my little idol... |
| 04:23.39 | Kirkburn | That's what you think, but Kaso and others obviously feel differently |
| 04:24.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | the only reason people got idols before were because there's nothing else to do with that slot, now the increase is so minor it's not even worth filling the slot |
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| 04:24.23 | Kaso | you keep saying that but its not true |
| 04:24.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's better to just get whatever and move on, making it an essentially worthless slot still |
| 04:24.31 | [RTE] | hello folks |
| 04:24.39 | Kaso | you could say "well 4 mana/5 on my bracers is so minor is not worth doing" |
| 04:24.56 | Kaso | you could say " well, xx stats on my gloves are so minor its not worth having" |
| 04:25.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | if thats the only stat on your bracers then yeah |
| 04:25.03 | Kaso | then you end up naked with 2k hp |
| 04:25.34 | Corrodias | what's a typical +mana/5 total for a guy with decent gear? maybe 30? |
| 04:25.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | if the only stat on your bracers is 4mp5 then you might as well not farm the 10% drop on the 17 different bracers taht drop in the entire game |
| 04:25.57 | Kaso | i was talkin about the enchant |
| 04:26.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh |
| 04:26.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah that's a waste of money |
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| 04:26.31 | Kaso | Idols have very healthy amounts of healing on them, they more than equal the bonuses i get from wands |
| 04:26.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | eh |
| 04:26.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | +100 healing to max rank healing touch is really minor |
| 04:27.04 | Kaso | No it isnt |
| 04:27.08 | Corrodias | only the maximum rank? |
| 04:27.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah |
| 04:27.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | it goes down with lower ranks |
| 04:27.24 | Kaso | oh? how do you know that? |
| 04:27.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | rank 4 is probably a 10 bonus |
| 04:27.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | because that's the same reason the moonfire idol is uselss |
| 04:27.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | useless |
| 04:27.46 | Corrodias | i understand that +healing is reduced on lower rank heals, but you can go down 3 or 4 levels without losing +healing effectiveness i think |
| 04:27.50 | Kaso | the 100 healing idol was just added today noone was tested it |
| 04:27.56 | Garoun|Loupana | bah, the Shoot command isn't combined on Live yet |
| 04:28.05 | Kirkburn | Hmm, why would it decrease? |
| 04:28.08 | Kaso | id be reasonable to assume that id acts like any other +heal bonus |
| 04:28.28 | Corrodias | it's part of an effort on blizzard's part to reduce the phenomenon of people using lots of +healing and low rank heals at high levels |
| 04:28.34 | Kirkburn | Garoun|Loupana, how do you mean? |
| 04:28.35 | Corrodias | i read it in the 2.0 patch notes |
| 04:28.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | the other idols all decrease with lower ranks, etc |
| 04:28.49 | Garoun|Loupana | in beta you just have Shoot in your spellbook |
| 04:28.56 | Garoun|Loupana | that works for all weapon types |
| 04:29.10 | Garoun|Loupana | it's still broken down by Shoot Gun, Shoot Bow on live |
| 04:29.27 | Kirkburn | :( |
| 04:29.33 | Kaso | Im pretty sure itll act like a normal +heal bonus, ie, only be recduced on spells significatly below your level |
| 04:29.43 | Garoun|Loupana | granted I shouldn't have a problem making a macro for it |
| 04:29.46 | Kaso | which isnt really a problem that applys to all healing spells atm |
| 04:30.04 | Kirkburn | Why would they decrease differently to normal +heal? |
| 04:30.07 | [RTE] | Anyone here is knowlegable in XML/HTML stuff? |
| 04:30.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | basically what i'm saying is idols are a waste of development time to implement |
| 04:30.14 | Corrodias | as far as i'm aware, they wouldn't |
| 04:30.23 | Kirkburn | (it would require a new mechanic to make that occur) |
| 04:30.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | instead of implementing them they could have fixed the cat range bug that's been in since release |
| 04:30.38 | Kirkburn | Oh right, now we're into stupid territory now |
| 04:30.51 | Garoun|Loupana | I'm a druid, and I disagree, I'm happy idols were made |
| 04:30.58 | Kirkburn | "Hey Blizz, fix the servers rather than coding!" |
| 04:31.08 | Garoun|Loupana | they are all different teams also |
| 04:31.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | you know the idol team's different than the team that fixes druid bugs? |
| 04:31.34 | Kirkburn | You know they're the same? |
| 04:31.49 | Garoun|Loupana | there is most likely a team that takes care of game mechanics and another that takes care of items |
| 04:31.50 | Kirkburn | And, no they are different if you used your brain |
| 04:31.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | no, but i'm just saying that team should have done something else instead of failing at implementing something for that slot |
| 04:32.10 | Garoun|Loupana | at least most development teams I know of have the teams broken down.. |
| 04:33.04 | Kirkburn | Game mechanics are managed by different people to item creation - how could it possibly make sense for the two to be combined? |
| 04:33.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | i hope that team's _one_ job isn't relics, if so they need to be fired or moved elsewhere |
| 04:33.26 | Kirkburn | One is coding, one is creation |
| 04:33.45 | Garoun|Loupana | the same team doing relics is most likely the same team in charge of itemization |
| 04:33.57 | Kirkburn | Itemization, that's the word I was looking for! |
| 04:33.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | like instead of wasting time making idols they could leave us with egans blaster and implement feral itemization that's decent |
| 04:34.14 | Garoun|Loupana | Kirk: any ability in teh spellbook that isn't passive should be using /cast in my macro right? |
| 04:34.31 | Garoun|Loupana | the feral itemization in BC kicks ass |
| 04:34.41 | Kirkburn | Garoun|Loupana, I have no idea, but that sounds likely ... |
| 04:34.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | eh i've seen videos of 70 druids and they're not doing much damage than me |
| 04:34.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | in my zg level blue gear |
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| 04:35.08 | Garoun|Loupana | I'll be very happy to finally find a pair of pre-endgame bracers taht are better then feralheart |
| 04:35.09 | [RTE] | Anyone here knows how to display XML tables in HTML using "rules"? |
| 04:35.26 | Garoun|Loupana | for feral hybrid spec with heavy tank |
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| 04:35.32 | Kirkburn | Ah, videos. Well then it must be true ... Also, warlocks are only raidable, mages one shot everyone, warriors one shot everyone, rogues one shot everyone, rabbit likewise. Oh and paladins. And everyone |
| 04:35.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | note i said VIDEOS and not video |
| 04:36.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | multiple druids in twice as much AP as me |
| 04:36.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | doing only marginally more damage |
| 04:36.27 | Kaso | http://kasoo.net/img/imgs/grull.jpg http://kasoo.net/img/imgs/mag.jpg |
| 04:36.43 | Kirkburn | That suggests to me either: 1. That was a shit druid ... or ... 2. They played shit to prove a point |
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| 04:36.59 | Neuro_Medivh | like OJ trying to put on the glove! |
| 04:37.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | no, they were "LEET 70 FERAL DPS VIDEOS" |
| 04:37.09 | Kirkburn | Kaso, cool |
| 04:37.13 | Garoun|Loupana | lol Neuro |
| 04:37.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | trying to boast their items and stuff |
| 04:37.32 | Kirkburn | Mr_Rabies2, what kind of gear were they in? |
| 04:37.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | and the numbers were almost like what mine are |
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| 04:37.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | i dunno but it showed a closeup of all their stats |
| 04:37.51 | Kirkburn | Remember they're unlikely to be in tier gear in those videos |
| 04:37.53 | Garoun|Loupana | and any video that uses the term Leet, uber, or any variations of the word should be burned and removed from the internets |
| 04:38.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | roughly 2000 AP |
| 04:38.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | and 27% crit |
| 04:38.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | versus my 1046 and 30% crit |
| 04:38.27 | Neuro_Medivh | btw, Garoun, ty for recommending that Lost Room miniseries, it's quite good so far... about to go watch the second part |
| 04:38.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | doing only slightly more damage |
| 04:38.34 | Garoun|Loupana | well, a majority of Cat DPS now comes from bleed |
| 04:38.43 | Garoun|Loupana | np Neuro :) glad you liked it, tonights was even better :) |
| 04:39.02 | Garoun|Loupana | I killed a hunter with bleed damage last night :P |
| 04:39.08 | Kirkburn | Mr_Rabies2, hmm that is a little odd |
| 04:39.20 | grimman | Odd? It's not even likely to be possible. |
| 04:39.20 | Garoun|Loupana | he was at 20% health and tried to walk me onto his trap, I stood there and watched him bleed to death |
| 04:39.31 | Kirkburn | What kind of dmg was he doing? |
| 04:39.51 | Corrodias | i'm ready to go back to sleep, now, but i have to go do some work. bleh. |
| 04:39.52 | grimman | Roughly 900 AP increase equates to ~64 damage extra, per hit, white damage alone. |
| 04:40.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | <Garoun|Loupana> well, a majority of Cat DPS now comes from bleed |
| 04:40.25 | Garoun|Loupana | if you play any cat form: fury, pounce, mangle, rake, rip is a ton of dps |
| 04:40.31 | Garoun|Loupana | from the bleed + mangle bonus alone |
| 04:40.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah i play in the similarly to the way that they did |
| 04:40.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | pounce, mangle, mangle, mangle, mangle, rip |
| 04:40.49 | Garoun|Loupana | throw a rake in there |
| 04:40.56 | Garoun|Loupana | it's cheap and will give you another boost |
| 04:40.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | even with the nerfed mangle on live |
| 04:40.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | eh |
| 04:41.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | maybe now that the ferocity idol is nerfed |
| 04:41.08 | Kirkburn | Woo, Tempest Keep EU is being restarted! /me pokes Kaso |
| 04:41.18 | seebs | What level do you get Mangle at? |
| 04:41.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | but before, mangle's a lot more damage for almost as much energy |
| 04:41.24 | Garoun|Loupana | all of the live talents ar ewrong right now rabies |
| 04:41.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | uh |
| 04:41.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | 51 if you're pure feral |
| 04:41.34 | Kaso | ooh |
| 04:41.34 | Garoun|Loupana | it's like 3 versions back |
| 04:41.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | er 50 |
| 04:41.40 | Kaso | thanks for the heads up |
| 04:41.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | i know garoun |
| 04:41.52 | Kirkburn | 14 mins to go |
| 04:41.55 | Kirkburn | Make that 13 |
| 04:41.58 | Garoun|Loupana | I've been taking full advantage of the imba 6% health return :P |
| 04:42.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's really not that overpowered at all |
| 04:42.13 | Garoun|Loupana | yeah it is |
| 04:42.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | seriously, 300 every 6 sec is nothing |
| 04:42.25 | Garoun|Loupana | I was getting 4-500 every 6s in bear |
| 04:42.31 | Garoun|Loupana | and that is huge |
| 04:42.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | how much damn health do you have |
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| 04:42.45 | Garoun|Loupana | I'd have to look |
| 04:42.54 | Garoun|Loupana | on avg it was between 300-450 |
| 04:42.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | cause i get about 300-350 |
| 04:43.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | and that's really not much at all |
| 04:43.07 | Corrodias | over a one minute fight, that's healing you for 2700 health (at 300) |
| 04:43.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | woo |
| 04:43.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | i can hit healing touch and do that in 3.5 sec |
| 04:43.35 | Garoun|Loupana | hmm that's odd |
| 04:43.43 | Garoun|Loupana | I wonder if it can crit.. |
| 04:43.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | it can |
| 04:43.49 | Corrodias | but that takes you out of action for at least 4 seconds due to shifting time and cooldowns. plus you have to make sure you're not interrupted. |
| 04:43.57 | Garoun|Loupana | because I was seeing 400-600 on occasion |
| 04:44.00 | Garoun|Loupana | but yes mostly 300 |
| 04:44.26 | Garoun|Loupana | lets put it this way, I was able to solo every leutinant solo if no one intervened |
| 04:44.46 | Corrodias | i solo things with other people, myself ;) |
| 04:45.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | i could solo those on my hunter pre 2.0, garoun |
| 04:45.12 | Garoun|Loupana | yeah 1 too many solos in there :x |
| 04:45.23 | Garoun|Loupana | it's easy on hunter :P you can kite |
| 04:45.28 | Garoun|Loupana | and your pet does all the work |
| 04:45.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | so what you're saying is that it's balanced for us to be able to finally do what others can, and now that's getting nerfed? |
| 04:46.02 | Garoun|Loupana | no, I'm saying the heal is a bit over the top |
| 04:46.06 | Kirkburn | Somehow idols make it possible? I thought that were useless .... |
| 04:46.07 | Corrodias | but can your hunter heal? |
| 04:46.22 | Garoun|Loupana | believe me, I'd love it to stay at 6% but that 2% is a huge difference |
| 04:46.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah, i can trap and bandage, enough for me |
| 04:46.39 | Kirkburn | (sorry, your on another topic now) |
| 04:46.47 | Kirkburn | *you're |
| 04:46.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | <Kirkburn> Somehow idols make it possible? I thought that were useless .... |
| 04:47.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | make what possible |
| 04:47.04 | Corrodias | i keep saying heal when i mean heal other people. i tend to think in terms of parties. |
| 04:47.11 | Kirkburn | Mr_Rabies2, what did I *just* say? :P |
| 04:47.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh |
| 04:47.24 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 04:47.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | i was looking at av and missed it |
| 04:47.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | er ab |
| 04:47.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | well if you're healing a party you're not gonna be able to solo shit |
| 04:48.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | you can guarantee that you can't solo a lieutenant while healing a party |
| 04:48.20 | Corrodias | as a druid with 20 in feral and 31 in restoration, i was able to solo reasonably well and still heal what i and others perceived to be pretty decently |
| 04:49.08 | Garoun|Loupana | it's also gear based too, a lot of feral druids focus too much on specific suits |
| 04:49.12 | Garoun|Loupana | like cat or bear or healing |
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| 04:49.27 | Garoun|Loupana | I prefer hybrid for my cat/bear and another for healing |
| 04:49.45 | Corrodias | cat and bear share many useful stats |
| 04:49.51 | Garoun|Loupana | yep |
| 04:50.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | i have 1 set for each because i like being useful |
| 04:50.05 | Garoun|Loupana | only thing I change in bear is a couple trinkets/rings |
| 04:50.23 | Kaso | this nerf to 3pc transendance really does make our 8peice faith bonus look crap |
| 04:50.26 | Garoun|Loupana | lol :P you just like specialization is all |
| 04:50.28 | Kaso | i mean: 3 Peice Tier 2 = 20 mana/5 , 8 Peice Tier 3 = *Chance to have* 24 mana/5 |
| 04:50.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | if you're in hybrid gear, you're a crappy healer, a crappy dpser, and a crappy tank |
| 04:50.49 | Corrodias | that's a "nerf" to 3pc transcendence? |
| 04:50.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | because of how item budgets work |
| 04:50.54 | Garoun|Loupana | I beg to differ |
| 04:51.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | they did the same to stormrage, kaso |
| 04:51.07 | Kaso | yah id heard |
| 04:51.13 | Kaso | whats youre 8peice tier 3? |
| 04:51.19 | Garoun|Loupana | if you PvP a specialized suit pigeonholes you too much |
| 04:51.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | not really, |
| 04:51.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | i swap to bear gear if i see a warrior off where i'm hiding |
| 04:51.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | er |
| 04:51.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | heading |
| 04:51.50 | Garoun|Loupana | I'm able to dps, tank and heal well all around regardless of the situation |
| 04:52.08 | Corrodias | a druid can only overcome others by exploiting his versatility, since he can't directly face any other class at what they do |
| 04:52.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | not _well_, but okay |
| 04:52.21 | Garoun|Loupana | I can heal or dps better if I specialize, but the diversity helps change the pace of the fight if I need to |
| 04:52.41 | Kaso | Corrodias to me itll mean i loose about 17.5 mana/5 |
| 04:52.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | well i can still go bear and drop people in my dps gear while taking no damage if i have to |
| 04:52.57 | Corrodias | Kaso: what's the "nerf" part? you never said what it used to do |
| 04:53.03 | Garoun|Loupana | but you won't be able to heal worth crap |
| 04:53.12 | Kirkburn | Used to be a % |
| 04:53.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | nope, but we won't need to cause i'm wrecking people |
| 04:53.22 | Kaso | oh, it used to give 15% of my regen in combat |
| 04:53.28 | Garoun|Loupana | I'm not saying one is better then the other, it's a matter of play style |
| 04:53.30 | Corrodias | i see |
| 04:53.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | you're just gimping yourself in everything at all times, i'm just gimping myself in 1 thing when i'm caught off guard |
| 04:53.51 | Kaso | so its been nearly nerfed in half, and its still better than 8pce tier 3 :> |
| 04:54.08 | Garoun|Loupana | it's the same as someone in T3 losing to someone in Dungeon :P |
| 04:54.21 | Nom- | LOL |
| 04:54.23 | Nom- | New bank spam |
| 04:54.24 | Garoun|Loupana | playstyle + skill are the primary factors in how you spec |
| 04:54.32 | Nom- | They actually warn you about the fraud site that you're being sent to! |
| 04:54.32 | Corrodias | bank spam? |
| 04:55.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | you mean bank phishing attempt |
| 04:56.01 | Nom- | yah |
| 04:56.42 | Nom- | http://standen.id.au/pics/bankspam.png <-- new bankspam |
| 04:56.55 | Nom- | and of course...that stuff in read |
| 04:56.57 | Nom- | *red |
| 04:57.10 | Nom- | is linking to the phishing web site |
| 04:58.08 | Nom- | I find them more and more funny every time |
| 04:58.51 | Nom- | (oh, and i don't run MailScanner, that was part of the original message as best i can tell) |
| 04:59.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | your ISP might |
| 05:00.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | or whoever provides your mail |
| 05:00.09 | Nom- | I provide my mail :) |
| 05:00.26 | Corrodias | what a strange thing to put into email |
| 05:00.41 | Nom- | Those were added on the mail as it was sent |
| 05:00.49 | Nom- | or soon after... |
| 05:00.56 | Kaso | perhaps theyre own scanner intercepted it on the way out :> |
| 05:01.04 | Nom- | Quite possibly! |
| 05:01.07 | Nom- | lol |
| 05:01.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | haha |
| 05:02.14 | Kaso | Kirkburn: up |
| 05:02.32 | Kirkburn | Ta |
| 05:03.00 | Kaso | time to go check out t5 |
| 05:03.09 | Kaso | motherfucker |
| 05:03.19 | Kaso | why did i log out flying about Terokkar |
| 05:03.31 | kelvie | Where can I get some more information as to what "Protected" functions are? |
| 05:03.46 | kelvie | and how/when I can use them |
| 05:03.51 | Kaso | never |
| 05:04.03 | kelvie | so I can never cast a spell inside a script? :/ |
| 05:04.16 | Kaso | You can use secure templates to do that |
| 05:04.27 | Kaso | but you wont ever actually call the protected function |
| 05:04.45 | kelvie | mm what's a secure template? |
| 05:04.45 | Kaso | hey phreaky |
| 05:04.50 | phreaky | mornin :) |
| 05:05.03 | Kaso | Check out the concisise 2.0 changes on the forums |
| 05:05.18 | Kaso | and read the secureTemplateHeaders FrameXML files |
| 05:05.26 | kelvie | Hrm |
| 05:05.40 | kelvie | I guess the question is, can I create keybindings for all my spells without putting them on a hotbar? |
| 05:05.44 | Kaso | but im not really the person to tell you about all this, i dont really know howto use em, non of my addons have needed them |
| 05:05.50 | Kaso | yes you can |
| 05:05.54 | kelvie | alright |
| 05:06.13 | kelvie | and can I use the new conditional cast functionality inside em? |
| 05:07.01 | Kaso | you can set secure buttont to execute macrotext if thats what you mean |
| 05:07.21 | kelvie | ah.. awesome :p |
| 05:07.55 | kelvie | is there more... thorough documentation for this? |
| 05:08.21 | Kaso | plenty, check out the two places i said eariler |
| 05:08.49 | kelvie | oh .. frameXML files |
| 05:09.03 | kelvie | didn't catch that, but I will, thanks :) |
| 05:09.04 | Kaso | np |
| 05:09.43 | Kirkburn | Kaso, so mobs are back? |
| 05:09.47 | Kaso | yah |
| 05:09.51 | Kirkburn | Awesome |
| 05:09.55 | Kaso | tier 5 is sexy |
| 05:10.01 | kelvie | Kaso: actually where are the framexml files? |
| 05:10.11 | Kirkburn | I like the priest gear |
| 05:10.20 | Kaso | You need to extract tem using the blizzard interace extractor |
| 05:10.30 | Kirkburn | Poor Tem :P |
| 05:10.37 | Kirkburn | All cooped up in an MPQ |
| 05:10.48 | kelvie | gah |
| 05:10.50 | Kaso | i beleive theres a link to that on forums also |
| 05:10.51 | Tem | say what? |
| 05:10.51 | Tem | I don't belive I'm archived there |
| 05:11.35 | Kirkburn | Kaso begs to differ =) |
| 05:11.54 | Kaso | ssh |
| 05:12.10 | Kaso | Typos are serious business! |
| 05:12.28 | Kirkburn | Look, I've spent 4 hours attempting to do the blood elf disguise quest, shush yourself :P |
| 05:12.50 | Kaso | that the one with the tree costume? |
| 05:13.35 | Garoun|Loupana | YAY! |
| 05:13.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh hey look at that i get 100 more hp from live to the new bear form, yayyyy :rolls eyes: |
| 05:13.49 | Garoun|Loupana | I dunno he I asked the other day about using a macro to swap paged bars |
| 05:14.07 | Garoun|Loupana | but /swapactionbar 1 2 does work in combat :) |
| 05:14.43 | Kaso | sexy new Frost/Shadow damage rescipes |
| 05:15.01 | Kaso | also 28 slot shard bag (cheap version) |
| 05:16.06 | Garoun|Loupana | hmm bigwigs is kicking out an addonblocked with my /cast macro I made for shooting weapons |
| 05:16.20 | Garoun|Loupana | sigh, nm it's some other mod, now I get to track it down |
| 05:16.28 | Kaso | 20 slot bags!! |
| 05:17.58 | Garoun|Loupana | oh god, not that bug again |
| 05:18.08 | Garoun|Loupana | ChatEdit_ParseText, ChatEdit_SendText |
| 05:18.16 | phreaky | ~seen Guillotine |
| 05:18.29 | purl | guillotine <n=Guilloti@ns.motek-services.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 1h 56m 10s ago, saying: 'Athaeus: thats why I don't use worldofwar anymore. had 2 of my exact mods posted under a different name and they wouldn't remove them'. |
| 05:18.29 | phreaky | hah ops |
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| 05:20.28 | Guillotine | I heard phreaky was looking for me |
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| 05:25.00 | sancus_ | hmm, anyone know how to properly call CooldownFrame_SetTimer in 2.0? Without hooking it, that is, if possible |
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| 05:25.59 | phreaky | Guillotine: yea.. hehe.. |
| 05:26.22 | bleetah | s'pose no one's got any news updated machnima tools (winmpq, wowmodelviewer, etc.)? |
| 05:26.31 | bleetah | *machinima |
| 05:27.13 | bleetah | i'm like, recently bought fraps, check, recently bough 512Gb drive, check, recently bought second monitor, check, recently bough more memory, check, recently bought bigger monitor, check... gah! 2.0 is out, some of these tools aren't working :'( |
| 05:28.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | somehow myndflame's making new vids |
| 05:28.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | well the wmv source code was out there, it's just up to someone to get it to work with the new mpqs |
| 05:28.43 | bleetah | i'd prefer to be an advert for WoW, rather than on for spending hours in front of Adobe products cutting frames by hand ;) |
| 05:28.56 | bleetah | *than one for |
| 05:29.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah i dont blame you |
| 05:30.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | go to like winterspring and film everything and cut out the purple-white :P |
| 05:31.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | i hate doing that in one frame on photoshop, not to mention an entire movie's worth |
| 05:31.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | hrm, so turns out glider WAS being detected by warden. interesting. |
| 05:32.24 | Kaso | hm? |
| 05:32.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | i read the forums over there to keep up to date on his lawsuit vs blizzard |
| 05:33.12 | Kaso | how else ? those 60 od pages of people on glider's foriums of people complaing of being banned was fluke ^^ |
| 05:33.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | and happened upon a post saying the old version was being detected, but the new version isn't anymore, and he has some "unnamed but easily guessed help" |
| 05:33.39 | Kaso | http://kasoo.net/img/imgs/Tailoring.png http://kasoo.net/img/imgs/priests.png |
| 05:34.57 | xlvii | Kaso, are you a Priest? |
| 05:35.01 | Kaso | yes |
| 05:35.13 | xlvii | Kaso, mind if I send you a query? |
| 05:35.17 | Kaso | shoot |
| 05:36.43 | xlvii | kaso, pm. |
| 05:36.57 | phreaky | Kaso: Are all mobs down in outlands? |
| 05:37.51 | Kaso | ~clearfont |
| 05:37.53 | purl | I hear Kirkburn's ClearFont is a funkadelic addon that allows you to replace your WoW fonts with something rather better, and is fully editable! |
| 05:37.53 | phreaky | nvm up now =) |
| 05:38.02 | Kirkburn | =) |
| 05:38.06 | Nom- | hehehe |
| 05:38.08 | phreaky | oh,you can do that also :Å |
| 05:38.09 | phreaky | ;P |
| 05:38.14 | Nom- | i'll be getting a set of that stuff i think |
| 05:38.18 | Nom- | is there one with frost damage? |
| 05:38.28 | phreaky | ~sacredbuff |
| 05:38.30 | Nom- | there is too |
| 05:38.32 | Nom- | frost/shadow |
| 05:40.54 | Kirkburn | Argh, I got taken down in mid air! Bloody new flying mobs! |
| 05:41.05 | Kaso | oh that the guards? |
| 05:41.23 | Kirkburn | Ja'y Nosliw |
| 05:42.34 | kelvie | Can I use CastSpellByName inside bindings.xml? |
| 05:42.57 | kelvie | I just want simple spell bindings :/ |
| 05:42.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | ~druids |
| 05:43.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | :[ |
| 05:43.00 | Kaso | no |
| 05:43.14 | Kaso | you can do SetKeyBinding(key,spell) iirc |
| 05:43.17 | Kaso | lemme check that thoughh |
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| 05:43.45 | Kirkburn | Arrrgh! They buffed Vehk'lur, then |
| 05:44.08 | Kaso | who? |
| 05:44.11 | Kirkburn | I died, and spawned at the graveyard :O |
| 05:44.20 | Kirkburn | The ghost dragon above Netherwing Ledge |
| 05:44.35 | Kaso | ghost dragon? |
| 05:45.09 | Kirkburn | Yes |
| 05:45.17 | Kaso | what what what? |
| 05:45.56 | Kirkburn | How can you mean what? It's a damn huge ghost dragon! |
| 05:46.24 | seebs | It's very cruel of you all to talk about the beta. Waaa! |
| 05:46.43 | Kaso | where? |
| 05:46.56 | Nom- | You guys seen many teams camping the GY in WSG lately? |
| 05:47.12 | Nom- | It's rather funny |
| 05:47.27 | Nom- | I just stand out of rez range and go find something to eat/drink until they get bored and cap |
| 05:47.39 | Nom- | Free tokens ftw |
| 05:48.11 | Kirkburn | Above Netherwing Ledge ... |
| 05:48.15 | seebs | BTW, is it likely that the Blizz store will actually have TBC in time that I could order one and get it somewhere near release date? |
| 05:48.28 | Kirkburn | Kaso, one of the spectracles quests |
| 05:48.32 | seebs | I was quite surprised to discover that they didn't have it a couple of days back. |
| 05:48.38 | Nom- | I'm hoping that I can buy TBC online |
| 05:48.48 | Nom- | I can't be bothered trying to get down to a computer store while they're opne :( |
| 05:48.54 | Nom- | 9-5 jobs ftl |
| 05:49.11 | seebs | Well, yeah, and the only places I've seen that have it online are companies I dislike. |
| 05:49.37 | seebs | I'd be okay with buying direct from Blizzard, but I am generally picky about online stores. |
| 05:49.42 | xlvii | nom-, does it not make you go afk? |
| 05:49.59 | Nom- | as long as you don't leave the keyboard untouched for too long |
| 05:50.08 | xlvii | i can macro that ;p |
| 05:50.12 | xlvii | got to love g15s ;p |
| 05:50.43 | seebs | I like my G15, but I don't use it for botting. I like my characters. :) |
| 05:50.50 | bleetah | .. don't get me started on my g15 ... :P |
| 05:51.01 | Antiarc | Interesting. |
| 05:51.09 | xlvii | i don't use it either, i was just saying it's possible. |
| 05:51.13 | Antiarc | button:SetAttribute() is hitting me hard in the memory-balls. |
| 05:52.44 | Antiarc | Four calls to it are increasing me by 2kb |
| 05:52.46 | bleetah | only thing I've got on my g15 at the moment, is /console reloadui ... but somewhere along the way, it managed to record an entire experience of me in an AV battle, including colorful language to defense, what to do to the general. even tho I've deleted it as a macro, occasionally when I'm standing at the AH, and /console reloadui, it spews out the AV battle :/ |
| 05:52.50 | Antiarc | Times 20 loops and...yeah. |
| 05:53.18 | Kaso | :< the alpha gem vendors are finally gone from Hellfire |
| 05:53.34 | seebs | I have not yet gotten around to figuring out how to effectively check my mod's memory usage. I guess I should. |
| 05:54.01 | Kaso | warmup is about as good as you'll get for memory usage |
| 05:54.13 | seebs | Warmup? |
| 05:54.35 | Kaso | an addon that shows loadtimes + memory usage |
| 05:55.15 | seebs | Ahh. |
| 05:55.32 | seebs | How does it know which mod uses which memory? |
| 05:55.41 | seebs | This problem sounds to me to be omniscience-complete. |
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| 05:55.47 | Kaso | it does *really* know |
| 05:55.59 | Kaso | it just compares the global useage before and after the addon loads |
| 05:56.36 | Kaso | thus ace addons and other things with enbedded libs cause it to show too much |
| 05:57.08 | Kirkburn | I wonder how ClearFont does on it |
| 06:00.23 | seebs | Ahh. |
| 06:00.59 | seebs | Hey, I have a WoWI question. |
| 06:01.11 | Kaso | i love the tier5 graphics |
| 06:01.13 | phreaky | What does "tedium" mean? =) |
| 06:01.15 | Kaso | priest is really nice |
| 06:01.18 | seebs | I am thinking that my mod is about ready to be called a non-beta, at least by WoW mod standards. |
| 06:01.36 | seebs | So how do I go about marking it as "apparently production-ready"? |
| 06:01.44 | Kaso | Tedium means boredem phreaky |
| 06:01.53 | Thunder_Child | ~dict Tedium |
| 06:02.10 | phreaky | oh.. purl has those features also ^^ |
| 06:02.12 | Kaso | seebs try and break it, if you cant, then release it :> |
| 06:02.30 | phreaky | ~Automaton |
| 06:02.34 | seebs | I haven't been able to break it for a while. No feedback yet from other users, but I'm assuming that they would have fed back had something gone wrong. |
| 06:02.41 | phreaky | I was just wondering what the addon Automaton does ^^ |
| 06:03.00 | phreaky | "Reduces interface tedium by doing the little things for you." |
| 06:03.19 | weab | http://www.wowace.com/wiki/Automaton |
| 06:03.26 | seebs | So, how do I release it? Do I edit something in the existing entry, or do I upload another copy just like this one, but put it elsewhere on the site, or what? |
| 06:03.30 | weab | lots of random little things. |
| 06:03.33 | phreaky | Thanks weab :) |
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| 06:04.03 | Garoun|Loupana | grr, this quest is so frustrating |
| 06:04.17 | Kaso | Morning cide. |
| 06:04.25 | Kirkburn | I love how flying mounts allow you to make surgical strikes on mobs |
| 06:04.45 | phreaky | Any1 that can recomend an addon that automaticly buys reagents at reagent vendor? |
| 06:04.52 | Kirkburn | "Aha named mob!" ... trails it until gap appears ... drop down ... kill! |
| 06:05.02 | Kaso | Kirkburn are you 70 now? |
| 06:05.09 | Garoun|Loupana | I can't find the bag for Unclaimed BAggage in Kargath |
| 06:05.17 | Garoun|Loupana | I've cleared Angor Fortress 6 times now |
| 06:05.21 | Kirkburn | yup |
| 06:05.34 | Kaso | cool |
| 06:05.37 | Kirkburn | Been so for a while, ran out of stuff to do, just need money for the epic :) |
| 06:05.47 | Kaso | Have you notice the new "Banking" on the flying mounts |
| 06:06.10 | Kirkburn | Yeah =) |
| 06:06.34 | Kaso | though the center of horizontal rotaion is still off which is annoying |
| 06:07.33 | ckknight | hey all, back |
| 06:08.13 | Garoun|Loupana | warrior mace spec with TUF is amusing |
| 06:08.15 | Garoun|Loupana | wb ck |
| 06:08.31 | Kirkburn | Argh, bloody elites |
| 06:08.55 | Kirkburn | I was sure I was out of range |
| 06:12.11 | xlvii | has anyone gotten wowmodelview working with 2.0? |
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| 06:18.01 | Garoun|Loupana | finally found the 2 items |
| 06:18.23 | Garoun|Loupana | they aren't as blatantly placed as previous "loot x y z" item quests |
| 06:27.14 | seebs | I sometimes want to iterate over a table. I feel like ipairs(t) is a bit of overkill if I don't care about the indices, but I don't see any other way to iterate through the table. Should I just stop fussing? |
| 06:27.25 | Garoun|Loupana | and I dont' think a level 40 grey quest is supposed to be giving me 250 rep |
| 06:27.58 | ckknight | seebs, pairs(t) |
| 06:28.38 | Kaso | if its an inter indexed cant you just for i=1,#table do <stuff> end ? |
| 06:37.03 | Kaso | Phew SoL can still crit |
| 06:37.24 | seebs | pairs(t) is still generating the list if indicies. |
| 06:37.44 | seebs | Hmm. You're right, I could just do 1,#table. Hmm. ipairs may actually be cleaner, though. |
| 06:38.03 | seebs | ... But come to think of it, I bet it's a lot more computationally expensive, as it has to return an iterator. |
| 06:38.15 | Cide | 'a lot' is very relative in this case |
| 06:38.24 | seebs | Yeah. |
| 06:38.45 | seebs | Honestly, I think the bulk of the computational work of my addon, when it's open, consists of the chained OnUpdate scripts I use to workaround editbox scrolling right. |
| 06:39.07 | Cide | so you should probably stop fussing unless it's 100+ iterations every frame |
| 06:41.26 | Kaso | tier 5 is so pretty. |
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| 06:44.41 | Kirkburn | They've changed the mobs around Auchindoun |
| 06:46.29 | Kaso | oh? |
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| 06:56.32 | SP|Sorren | oh the npcs are back on beta? |
| 06:56.44 | Kaso | yes |
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| 06:58.02 | s|loup | hi |
| 06:59.07 | Kirkburn | Whee, I love the new quests |
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| 07:05.08 | SP|Sorren | woot, bugsack's at 12000 errors and climbing! |
| 07:08.05 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 07:12.53 | ckknight | fun. |
| 07:13.05 | ckknight | vhaarr wrote in the ability to have >100 errors |
| 07:13.12 | ckknight | I guess you're taking it to the extreme, SP|Sorren |
| 07:13.21 | seebs | Hey, could someone here do me a favor? |
| 07:13.30 | Widgertick | Whassup? |
| 07:13.46 | seebs | I'm about to upload a new version of AnnoyRP, but I'd love it if someone who hasn't tried it before could load it and just quickly pound on it a bit to ensure that I haven't overlooked any crucial error-checking. |
| 07:14.05 | seebs | Like, "what happens with no SavedVariables" or "You forgot that your code depends on this other addon you didn't put in the dependency list". |
| 07:14.11 | SP|Sorren | trinity bars are erroring on every onupdate ;) |
| 07:14.25 | seebs | Oh, #!@$@#$. |
| 07:14.35 | seebs | Hey, uhm. One other thing: Does ClearFont make text larger or smaller by default? |
| 07:14.39 | SP|Sorren | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:14.45 | seebs | I just realized I've carefully tuned my help text to precisely fit into a window... |
| 07:15.00 | Kirkburn | Larger, slightly |
| 07:15.05 | seebs | Larger is good. |
| 07:15.16 | seebs | Then my text SHOULD fit in a non-Cleartext window correctly. I hope. |
| 07:15.40 | Kirkburn | Yeah, should do |
| 07:16.20 | Widgertick | Hey, have you guys encountered any problems lately with the beta feedback thing? I was wondering if I should turn it back on or not. |
| 07:16.43 | Kirkburn | It's fine |
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| 07:17.07 | Widgertick | Cool, thanks =) |
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| 07:20.32 | seebs | I'm just doing the last minute checks of all my attempts to make the UI friendlier/smarter. :) |
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| 07:25.26 | seebs | Well, 0.14 is up. If someone could spare a couple of minutes to start it up and verify that it doesn't immediately throw lua errors or destroy your computer, that'd make me awfully happy. :) |
| 07:25.39 | seebs | (There may be a brief delay for approval.) |
| 07:28.32 | Kaso | "The head of the hand of kargath" |
| 07:28.47 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 07:28.59 | Widgertick | I think it's located somewhere near the thumb... |
| 07:33.08 | Kirkburn | I wish people would stop askign where stuff is in cities |
| 07:33.15 | Kirkburn | Ask a bloody guard you lazy gits! |
| 07:33.48 | Kaso | when i was a youngu the guards didnt even give directions! i had to find my own way |
| 07:34.08 | Kirkburn | In my day, you had to give the guards directions! |
| 07:34.34 | seebs | Heh. |
| 07:34.43 | seebs | Well, there's lots of things the guards won't tell you. |
| 07:34.43 | abug | in soviet russia, they still do the same |
| 07:34.49 | Kirkburn | I do love flying thru terokkar |
| 07:34.58 | seebs | What bugs me is when people tell me to read the manual. The manual is utterly unmaintained, and I doubt it was accurate even when it was printed. |
| 07:35.20 | Kirkburn | For the EU at least, it wasn't |
| 07:35.29 | abug | I like the part about the warlocks opening the dark portal |
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| 07:45.06 | Kirkburn | I wanted to do that, abug :( |
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| 08:22.45 | Widgertick | Hey seebs |
| 08:22.49 | seebs | Heya. |
| 08:22.51 | Widgertick | I downloaded your mod, it's working fine =) |
| 08:22.56 | Widgertick | Seem's pretty cool too |
| 08:22.58 | Widgertick | Seems, rather |
| 08:23.13 | seebs | Thanks! |
| 08:23.18 | seebs | Much appreciated. |
| 08:23.23 | Widgertick | Anytime =) |
| 08:23.38 | seebs | It has at least one easter egg. Don't read the source if you can avoid it, it contains spoilers. |
| 08:23.43 | Widgertick | LOL, I won't =) |
| 08:23.59 | Widgertick | I'm sure my friends will be quite surprised when I randomly say stuff after casting Ice Block =O |
| 08:24.09 | seebs | I believe this is the only UI mod for WoW that can be offended by the user. |
| 08:24.50 | seebs | I wrote this originally mostly for a warlock. It started with just wanting to be able to say "Writhe more, $target, it makes Timi's toes curl up." during Drain Soul. |
| 08:24.55 | Widgertick | LOL |
| 08:24.59 | seebs | It, uhm. It got out of hand. |
| 08:25.33 | Widgertick | Yeah, I can see how it might =) |
| 08:26.30 | Widgertick | Only thing I might suggest is try to come up with some more detailed help, or an easy mode or something for people who might not understand patterns well |
| 08:27.08 | seebs | Drag a spell onto the Events tab. |
| 08:27.42 | Widgertick | Oh nice! |
| 08:27.44 | seebs | Hmm. I wonder if the auto-created event should be "^Spell Name", to reduce potential for confusions. |
| 08:28.04 | seebs | There's actually very few spell names which are substrings of each other, though. |
| 08:28.18 | seebs | Yeah, the drag and drop thing was based on code Tem wrote for me. Is soooo nice. |
| 08:28.32 | seebs | The automatic names for the chatter lists should be good enough for most people. |
| 08:28.44 | Widgertick | Whoa awesome! |
| 08:28.47 | Widgertick | Works on tradeskills too =) |
| 08:28.59 | seebs | I figure very few people out there are going to have two characters with the same name and the same class, who DON'T use the same chatters. |
| 08:29.00 | seebs | Yes. |
| 08:29.10 | seebs | You can also do items, but I can't find any way to guess the spell name for an item. |
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| 08:29.22 | seebs | If you put it in debug mode, though, and use an item, you'll see the spell name in your chat window. |
| 08:30.03 | seebs | Obnoxiously, you "cast" Enchanting when you open the window, rather than when you enchant. I liked it in testing, but I would be happier if it were when you actually USE the skill. |
| 08:31.22 | Kirkburn | Whee, it just turned morning in WoW :D |
| 08:31.25 | seebs | Hmm. I should make clearer that the "drag onto events tab" thing is your friend. It's so very convenient, but SimpleHTML didn't let me bold text. :) |
| 08:32.33 | Widgertick | Hmm |
| 08:32.33 | Widgertick | Well |
| 08:32.41 | Widgertick | Yeah |
| 08:33.00 | Widgertick | Can you drag out of the tradeskills window onto the event tab? I think those are spells you cast too. |
| 08:33.10 | Widgertick | Err, I guess you probably couldn't. |
| 08:33.11 | Widgertick | Hmm |
| 08:34.46 | Widgertick | The first thing I tried to do was create an event for when somebody hit me, but I think that might be baffling for some. Maybe include a list of the CHAT_MSG_COMBAT or CHAT_MSG_SPELL patterns or something? |
| 08:38.40 | seebs | "Player Hit" will do the right thing; it already checks for "hits you" or "crits you". |
| 08:38.48 | seebs | I think it's currently melee only, though. |
| 08:39.01 | seebs | The only reason to put a pattern on Player Hit is to further restrict it. |
| 08:39.22 | Widgertick | Ahh |
| 08:39.23 | seebs | Thus Timi's { Player Hit, %d%d%d } -> "/e makes a noise like a squeak toy." |
| 08:39.27 | seebs | (Timi is a gnome.) |
| 08:39.30 | Widgertick | I thought I needed a pattern >_< |
| 08:43.12 | Widgertick | IF, L2ReadTheManual for me I guess =X |
| 08:49.07 | seebs | Ahh! |
| 08:49.17 | seebs | Yeah, Player Hit and Player Crit automatically match hits or crits on you. |
| 08:49.22 | seebs | Player Hit matches crits too. |
| 08:49.52 | seebs | BTW, you can match "Smelt Copper" if you want, but you can't drag it on. You can check Spell Start or Spell Cast; Cast is at the end of the 3 seconds, Start is at the beginning. |
| 08:50.21 | seebs | { Spell Tick 1, "Smelt Copper", 100 } -> "/emote creates a COPPER BAR!! LOL!!" |
| 08:50.25 | seebs | ^^^ instant ban |
| 08:51.08 | Widgertick | Agreed. |
| 08:51.35 | Widgertick | In fact, I would be supportive of additional functionality that detected that sort of thing and auto-submitted a GM petition requesting a ban., |
| 08:51.39 | Widgertick | Sans comma. |
| 08:52.16 | seebs | Hee. |
| 08:52.28 | seebs | Well, try setting any percentage over 10%, and note that you get a window. |
| 08:52.35 | seebs | It is INTENTIONAL that you cannot disable that warning message. |
| 08:53.11 | seebs | You get that when increasing any percentage, or setting the frequency of a new thing. You don't get it if a frequency is staying the same or decreasing. |
| 08:53.26 | seebs | (And only if the new percentage is above 10. Going from 5 to 10 doesn't warn you.) |
| 08:53.35 | Kirkburn | Yay for broken quests! |
| 08:53.37 | seebs | I have actually thought about setting the threshhold much lower for "Player Hit". |
| 08:53.40 | seebs | YAYYY! |
| 08:53.43 | seebs | I'm so sad. |
| 08:53.59 | Kirkburn | I have quests that fail because the mob is feared, and quests that made me cause 5 infinite spawn mobs to appear. In Shattrath. |
| 08:54.01 | seebs | Poor Timi. She struggled and strove, and I finally got her last quest done that would go grey before she reached L61. |
| 08:54.17 | seebs | And then I logged back in... And several of her quests are grey now, because they changed the formula. |
| 08:54.22 | seebs | WEEPING AND GNASHING OF TEETH. |
| 08:54.35 | Kirkburn | lol |
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| 09:13.02 | seebs | Tem, thank you again for your help with dragging and dropping spells. |
| 09:13.09 | Tem | np |
| 09:14.46 | Kaso | What i find amusing |
| 09:15.17 | Kaso | this beta patch blizzard have been on a mini-crusdae against any item bonuses that ar percentages |
| 09:15.31 | seebs | Yes. |
| 09:15.39 | seebs | And I think that's probably a good thing, on reflection. |
| 09:15.43 | Elkano | Tem, 2.0.3 API or old API wrt dragging? |
| 09:15.50 | Kaso | Yet in the same patch they add a new taloring set who's bonuses aren 5% mana regen during combat |
| 09:16.03 | Tem|Sleep | Elkano, ? |
| 09:16.05 | seebs | Heh. |
| 09:16.22 | seebs | Hey, is there any chance that some day there'll be more than one L8 grey set of bracers for tailors? |
| 09:16.30 | Elkano | <seebs> Tem, thank you again for your help with dragging and dropping spells. <-- wrt this one |
| 09:16.37 | Tem|Sleep | old api |
| 09:16.43 | seebs | I dunno. It works in 2.0.1. I don't know anything about any new API. |
| 09:16.43 | Tem|Sleep | the new stuff just went in today |
| 09:16.47 | Kaso | L8 ? |
| 09:16.58 | seebs | Level 8 or something. |
| 09:17.15 | seebs | There's only one set of tailored bracers anywhere I can find, and they are VERY pathetic. |
| 09:17.20 | Elkano | seebs, we now have API in beta to directly get the item/spell dragged ^^ |
| 09:17.22 | Kaso | oh |
| 09:17.29 | seebs | Oh, cool. |
| 09:17.39 | seebs | Well, when it shows up, I'll remove about 6 lines of code from my addon. |
| 09:19.00 | Kaso | seebs |
| 09:19.10 | seebs | ? |
| 09:19.23 | Kaso | theres a buch of bracers at levle 350 tailoring |
| 09:19.50 | seebs | Ahh. |
| 09:19.53 | seebs | Well, that's nice. |
| 09:20.01 | seebs | I just wish they'd have, you know, a reasonable spread through the level range. |
| 09:20.10 | seebs | It's gonna be a LONG time before I have any 70s. |
| 09:20.45 | Kaso | doesnt take that long to do 60-70, unless you mean you dont have a 60 yet |
| 09:21.09 | seebs | I have a couple. I had heard that 60-70 was supposed to take a fairly long time; longer than 50-60, certainly. |
| 09:21.27 | Kaso | well, i am a notorisously slow leveler |
| 09:21.31 | Kaso | and i did it in 11days |
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| 09:21.40 | Kaso | (played) |
| 09:21.56 | seebs | I have too many alts. 11 days /played is a couple of months for me. |
| 09:22.01 | Kaso | ha |
| 09:22.08 | Kaso | my highest alt is level 45 |
| 09:22.15 | Kaso | my main has around 160 days played |
| 09:22.21 | seebs | Yeek. |
| 09:22.51 | Kaso | theres very little i havent "done" on my main |
| 09:22.59 | Kaso | cept pvping, havent really done that much |
| 09:24.09 | seebs | I think I've been in raids three times; twice helping friends kill blightcaller, once when some guild organized a naked PVP-flagged L1 gnome race from IF to Booty Bay. |
| 09:24.09 | Kaso | haha |
| 09:25.59 | Widgertick | Those are much more entertaining then naked PVP-flagged L2 gnome races from IF to Booty Bay. |
| 09:26.40 | Kaso | one thing which is always fun are the Goon Squad halloween "zombie invasions" |
| 09:26.51 | Kaso | i think they had around 160 level 1 undeads this year |
| 09:27.03 | seebs | Well, by the time we got past Sentinel Hill, they were all L2 or L3. |
| 09:27.13 | seebs | I actually used an L1 gnome to find out how rest bonus works. |
| 09:27.26 | seebs | I had him sit in IF for a long time with 190xp, then ran him around until he leveled. |
| 09:27.42 | seebs | Turns out that he had 600xp worth of rest bonus, exactly twice the 400xp it takes to make 2nd level. |
| 09:27.53 | seebs | So it's based entirely on current level's tnl, not on the next level. |
| 09:28.10 | Kirkburn | Ruuan Weald has quests :D |
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| 09:31.22 | Massaimah | Good day everyone |
| 09:31.40 | Kaso | arggg |
| 09:31.41 | seebs | Hello. |
| 09:31.48 | Kaso | my keyboard |
| 09:31.56 | Kaso | it is ded! |
| 09:32.02 | Massaimah | aie |
| 09:32.41 | Kaso | note; ms on screen keyboard, sucks! |
| 09:33.00 | seebs | Ack! |
| 09:33.27 | seebs | I had a real scare a month or so back, because my keyboard started acting up... But it's a DataHand, and that's a $600 or so replacement last I checked. |
| 09:33.48 | Kaso | owch |
| 09:34.07 | Massaimah | ouch that hurts |
| 09:34.09 | seebs | It got better, lucky for me. |
| 09:34.19 | seebs | Well, I took it apart, cleaned it out carefully, and so on. |
| 09:34.47 | zenzio | that's one expensive keyboard |
| 09:34.58 | Kaso | this keyboard is old and cheap, ill get a new one |
| 09:35.21 | Massaimah | How come it is so expensive? |
| 09:35.27 | Widgertick | I felt awkward buying a G15 =X |
| 09:35.45 | zenzio | I still mourn the death of my Trust Direct Access Keyboard... thankfully I found a good replacement, but not as good :-| |
| 09:35.58 | seebs | It's not even similar to a normal keyboard, and the product runs are small enough that I think they are at least partially handmade. |
| 09:36.06 | seebs | www.datahand.com |
| 09:36.12 | Massaimah | ah k |
| 09:36.28 | zenzio | O_o |
| 09:36.33 | zenzio | looks odd |
| 09:36.36 | seebs | I loves my datahand to pieces. You can't game on it (I have a G15 for that), but I'm a writer, and I can write for 8-12 hours straight without injury. |
| 09:36.51 | Massaimah | neat |
| 09:36.55 | TonyD | anyone know of an equip compare type addon that works? |
| 09:37.22 | seebs | Hmm. Doesn't Cosmos have one? |
| 09:37.51 | Massaimah | Couldn't find takadi in the list. Any chance he uses another nick in here? |
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| 09:38.25 | zenzio | do /whois takadi |
| 09:38.33 | zenzio | seems to be on, but not on a channel |
| 09:38.53 | TonyD | eww, cosmos |
| 09:39.09 | Massaimah | hmmm :( |
| 09:39.19 | seebs | I have gotten in the habit of disabling a fair bit of it, but I like enough of it that I keep using it. |
| 09:39.33 | TonyD | khaos is horrible |
| 09:40.19 | seebs | Suggestions for alternatives? I have very little in the way of firm attachments these days. I am not sure I'm still using Cosmos for much of anything but DamageMeters. |
| 09:40.34 | TonyD | well, i manually download each mod i want |
| 09:40.38 | TonyD | found eqc, btw |
| 09:40.40 | seebs | I probably am, though; I think a lot of the trivial things like scroll bar mods are from it. |
| 09:41.13 | Widgertick | Scroll bar mods? |
| 09:41.19 | TonyD | ? |
| 09:41.22 | TonyD | dunno |
| 09:41.34 | TonyD | cosmos doesn't have a barmod |
| 09:41.42 | TonyD | don't think it has unitframes mod |
| 09:41.47 | seebs | Er, bleh. The thing that scrolls chat windows on mouse wheel instead of buttons. That. |
| 09:41.50 | TonyD | no auctioneer, gatherer |
| 09:41.53 | Widgertick | Oh |
| 09:41.59 | seebs | I know I could get another one, but I'll have to go looking if I ditch Cosmos. |
| 09:42.01 | Widgertick | Well, I used Nurfed for that |
| 09:42.01 | TonyD | ahh, chatbar mod |
| 09:42.03 | seebs | That said, maybe I should. |
| 09:42.15 | Widgertick | I used to use Nurfed for action bars too but they weren't working last I checked |
| 09:42.18 | seebs | I seem to recall I tried Nurfed once and hated it, but this woulda been almost a year ago. |
| 09:42.23 | seebs | I'm using Bongos for bars, I love it. |
| 09:42.39 | Widgertick | Bleh, I downloaded Bongos last week and none of my bars displayed cooldowns |
| 09:42.47 | seebs | Fixed. |
| 09:42.54 | Widgertick | I will try it again then =) |
| 09:42.57 | seebs | Probably, if memory serves, about the day after you downloaded it. |
| 09:43.17 | seebs | I'm loving it some much. It does what I want for my druid's form shifts, and it otherwise pretty much stays out of my way. |
| 09:43.35 | seebs | My one complaint is I don't like what it does to the XP bar, but it removes the original one. Ah, well. I can live. |
| 09:44.54 | Widgertick | You say that now.. BUT WHAT ABOUT IN APPROXIMATELY 37 DAYS?! |
| 09:45.26 | seebs | By then I may have gotten bored enough to write my own XP bar. |
| 09:45.43 | seebs | It's not as though it's an especially hard thing to write. :) |
| 09:46.38 | zenzio | that's what they want you to think! |
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| 09:50.55 | Massaimah | Hmm he doesn't reply so suppose he's afk. |
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| 10:15.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | wth |
| 10:16.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | got 2 small prismatic shards DE'ing my old gloves |
| 10:17.02 | Massaimah | huh? prismatic shards? new ones? |
| 10:17.04 | seebs | Yay! |
| 10:17.39 | seebs | They sound shiny. |
| 10:18.17 | Massaimah | yeah.. and sounds to me like new enchants are in.... will need to get my enchanting going again. |
| 10:18.26 | dirjax | they sound like i'll be watching them like a caleidoscope ;) |
| 10:18.50 | Massaimah | And my funds will probably drop again for the sake of the guild. |
| 10:18.57 | Massaimah | *sigh* |
| 10:19.03 | seebs | Is that on a test realm, or on the servers for all us plebes? |
| 10:19.22 | zenzio | I've noticed jewelcrafting "designs" around the world... but they don't seem to create what I expected from "jewelcrafting" |
| 10:19.27 | zenzio | fist weapons and stuff o_O |
| 10:20.13 | dirjax | zenzio the designs are for making jewels, which then will go into your stuff (fist weapons and stuff o_O) |
| 10:20.32 | Massaimah | It's more or less only those shards for the slots in weapons/armor. |
| 10:20.33 | dirjax | i bet their will be fist weapons with sockets in the near future |
| 10:20.49 | zenzio | well, I don't know the details, but the tooltip lists an actual fist weapon or other item |
| 10:21.11 | Massaimah | They could at least add some rings, trinkets and necklaces to the prof i'd say |
| 10:22.36 | dirjax | or just call it gemcutting ;) |
| 10:22.52 | Massaimah | Ok just figured out what the lines werefor the circle menu buttons. How do i straighten those up to a single/double horizontal line? |
| 10:24.09 | Massaimah | Do I need to reassign position to each single button that pops or is there a "formula" to say "add next to previous - offsetdistance" ? |
| 10:39.42 | Elkano | anyone of you playing a shaman on beta servers? |
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| 10:41.18 | Kirkburn | Oooh, btw - the netherdrake mount quest chain has begun in the beta! |
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| 10:41.26 | nevcairiel | oooh |
| 10:41.28 | nevcairiel | where? |
| 10:41.38 | Kirkburn | http://beta.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1861109&sid=1&pageNo=1 |
| 10:41.48 | Kirkburn | Netherwing Fields |
| 10:42.25 | Kirkburn | Once I've had my fun in Ruaan Weald (I love that name!), I shall have to pop over and check it out |
| 10:42.34 | Kirkburn | After doing the new Netherstorm quests too ^^ |
| 10:42.55 | Kirkburn | I have to say, there seriously isn't a lack of quests in Outland any more |
| 10:43.16 | nevcairiel | Reputation with Netherwing increased by 42000. You are now Neutral with Netherwing. |
| 10:43.16 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 10:44.51 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 10:45.05 | Kirkburn | It appears to end there so far, but hey, it's a good start |
| 10:46.19 | Kirkburn | I bet, next part: kill Gruul, Magtheridon, Lady Vashj, Kael'Thas and, er, that Illidan dude. Oh and become exalted with every faction, yeah. >.< |
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| 10:56.48 | dranor | at least it does not depend on a ugly drop |
| 10:56.54 | dranor | like zg mounts |
| 11:02.08 | Massaimah | Well dunno which one you'd have earlier ^^ |
| 11:02.32 | Massaimah | exalted all / random drop rate..... |
| 11:03.07 | Massaimah | I'd say the latter has more chance to occur than the first... but that's my opinion. |
| 11:05.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | are the AHs broke on live too? |
| 11:06.49 | Massaimah | On the 3 servers i most play they are |
| 11:07.04 | Massaimah | Can't find a damn thing anymore |
| 11:07.14 | zenzio | broke how? |
| 11:07.19 | Massaimah | Less items |
| 11:08.18 | Massaimah | Since peeps don't have their "auctioneer" or similar anymore they post less items. That's the case for Arak anyways. |
| 11:08.42 | Massaimah | And whatever is posted goes for insane prices.. |
| 11:11.40 | Massaimah | Fun part is you see more and more Tier1 stuff . |
| 11:12.01 | Massaimah | No use but quite funny to see a T1 part posted at 500g |
| 11:15.49 | TonyD | grr, I can't go 2 minutes in AV witho0ut disconnecting |
| 11:16.31 | Massaimah | testrealm or normalserver? |
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| 11:17.35 | TonyD | live |
| 11:18.40 | TonyD | since patch, can't do anything |
| 11:18.50 | Massaimah | Weird |
| 11:19.51 | Massaimah | Well since i had to deinstall my english client and return to the basic "ugly" french one so as to be able to update haven't had a problem |
| 11:20.11 | Massaimah | But used to be disconnected aswell in av arathi before that |
| 11:20.52 | TonyD | it's prolly an addon issue |
| 11:21.04 | Corrodias | yeah? you tried it without addons? |
| 11:21.25 | TonyD | i'm going to in a few minutes |
| 11:23.01 | Massaimah | Btw are CT and CTra functional again? Have only been having problems with em since patch. |
| 11:25.12 | Massaimah | Not that I need em. But my french guildies whine about it... when without em it's actually way more interesting. |
| 11:26.45 | TonyD | nope, happens with no addons also |
| 11:27.44 | TonyD | lemme try resetting my dsl |
| 11:28.02 | Massaimah | Well two possibilities: either your connection or server then. |
| 11:28.24 | Kirkburn | *sigh* ... at this rate I'll have earnt 5000g before I get that character transfer with the rest of my mount money :/ |
| 11:34.01 | Massaimah | Lua does be quite more complicated then what i was used to >_< |
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| 11:52.58 | Massaimah | Basically for each visual i want to create i need to make the .xml and .lua ? |
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| 12:10.03 | sylvanaar | Shadowed: are you the same Shadowed ala SSPVP or is that a different spelling |
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| 12:37.22 | Kirkburn|afk | Argh, I'm falling asleep and it's not even 1pm :P |
| 12:38.32 | sylvanaar | Shadowed: ping |
| 12:51.08 | zenzio | playing a priest is quite a change from being a warrior... in instances I keep wondering "why the hell do I have soulstone?" |
| 12:52.24 | Massaimah | 12«11zenzio12» you must love warlocks now :) |
| 12:53.16 | zenzio | even more yeah; but already did... healthstones have saved me not just a few times :) |
| 12:53.53 | Massaimah | Dunno how it goes over there but they always set me on priest defence in instances.. |
| 12:54.49 | Massaimah | Well that shower did great. back to reading henge .lua's |
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| 13:07.36 | Massaimah | Anyone not to busy to explain a couple of things lua related? |
| 13:14.19 | Josh_Borke | morning! |
| 13:15.13 | Josh_Borke | Massaimah: just ask :-) |
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| 13:16.29 | Massaimah | Well i'm kinda only restarting with "program-languages" so even after reading through most tutorials and so i feel lost. Normal? |
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| 13:16.44 | Josh_Borke | yes |
| 13:17.42 | Qshadowp | Massaimah either wowace or wowwiki has a nice tutorial, cant remember |
| 13:17.55 | Qshadowp | uhh whats the website that has the welcome home tutorial, thats a good one :) |
| 13:18.06 | Josh_Borke | wowwiki |
| 13:18.08 | Massaimah | Read that one. |
| 13:18.30 | Josh_Borke | erm, welcome home is an Ace tutorial... |
| 13:19.03 | Massaimah | Problem is I probably took upon trying to understand a addon a bit to complicated for me... as I usually do. |
| 13:19.14 | Josh_Borke | henge is somewhat complicated |
| 13:19.51 | Massaimah | Necrosis aswell ^^ |
| 13:19.55 | Josh_Borke | indeed |
| 13:20.28 | Massaimah | But necrosis is only addon i actually use. So trying to figure out henge is best I found to do. |
| 13:20.51 | Josh_Borke | why are you trying to learn those? |
| 13:22.06 | Massaimah | Well I have a working Necrosis. Loved it and wanted to use it aswell for my other char's/classes. Was told Henge was in the make so tried it out |
| 13:22.53 | Massaimah | Launched henge on my shaman and got confronted with icons hovering over others which made using kinda difficult. Been trying to figure out differences between both so as to setup the henge I use more like the Necrosis |
| 13:23.14 | Josh_Borke | Massaimah: i don't know that henge is ready for actual use :-) |
| 13:23.58 | Massaimah | Suppose not but gotta beta-test right ;) |
| 13:24.30 | Massaimah | And suppose all help is welcome when it comes to create such a neat addon. |
| 13:25.23 | Josh_Borke | indeed. you might want to hang out in #wowace (if you aren't already). the henge author hangs out there sometimes |
| 13:25.56 | Massaimah | Ok thanks |
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| 13:35.15 | zenzio | is it common for a mage to roll need on the Toxic Revenger? (dagger) |
| 13:39.38 | Massaimah | >_< |
| 13:41.32 | kasolafk | at that level alot of people dont know what they need |
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| 14:12.28 | Swemetal | if setn is obselete what should i use then? |
| 14:13.54 | Maldivia | nothing |
| 14:13.58 | Maldivia | let lua handle it |
| 14:14.03 | Swemetal | it gives me that error |
| 14:14.10 | Swemetal | wow does |
| 14:14.28 | Swemetal | if its obsolete, there must be something that replaced it? |
| 14:14.42 | zenzio | no there mustn't |
| 14:14.48 | Maldivia | it's obsolete, because it's no longer needed |
| 14:15.31 | Swemetal | oh |
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| 14:48.37 | Swemetal | how can i, with an addon, see if the user got the casting bar frame visible? |
| 14:49.52 | Swemetal | CastingBarFrameStatusBar:IsVisible() gives me this error: attempt to index global 'CastingBarFrameStatusBar' (a nil value) |
| 14:50.16 | Josh_Borke | um, is the name CastingBarFrameStatusBar a valid name? |
| 14:50.51 | Swemetal | well, this addon i try to modify uses that name, but i cant find it defined in any of the addon files |
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| 14:51.36 | Josh_Borke | the actual frame is called CastingbarFrame |
| 14:51.42 | Josh_Borke | s/bar/Bar/ |
| 14:52.49 | Swemetal | oh, i'll try that |
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| 15:12.25 | cogwheel | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzqumbhfxRo (needs sound) |
| 15:17.52 | AnthonyDave | Pretty awesome video, was on break a few weeks ago |
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| 15:21.16 | Maldivia | cogwheel nice one |
| 15:21.34 | Bouvi | Wow alot of people here. :) Getting ready to learn how to program addons for my UIs instead of trying to find little addons. |
| 15:21.57 | Bouvi | Plus I am bored at work and need a project. |
| 15:24.06 | Corrodias | well, good. |
| 15:25.27 | Bouvi | How difficult is it to learn. I have an ancient background in programming (Pascal, fortran, cobal, original C) plus some .php and Flash Action script. |
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| 15:26.24 | Corrodias | i'm sure you'll do fine. |
| 15:26.48 | Corrodias | i have picked up basics here and there without really trying, and my background is much more limited. although you might need to brush up on object-oriented concepts. |
| 15:27.29 | Bouvi | Yeah it has been awhile since I actually did much programming. Now I do more design, etc. But really want to learn. |
| 15:27.53 | sylvanaar | lua isnt that complex |
| 15:28.51 | Corrodias | although on top of it you have to learn about the WoW API, secure templates, and such. |
| 15:29.31 | Bouvi | Good I love a challenge. |
| 15:30.12 | Bouvi | Since I am at work I need a LUA Editor anyone know of any? At home I have a PC so not an issue. |
| 15:30.17 | cogwheel | Start with http://www.lua.org/pil |
| 15:30.34 | cogwheel | for editors, check out the Mod Author FAQ on the UI & Macros forum |
| 15:31.03 | sylvanaar | yeah, secure templates are complex, i hate them |
| 15:31.06 | Corrodias | hmm. i like Crimson Editor, of the text editors i was able to find. |
| 15:31.37 | Corrodias | an actual IDE would be more impressive, though. with WoW API completion. yum. |
| 15:31.40 | cogwheel | I'm fairly partial to SciTE myself... partly because there's a version built specifically for WoW :) |
| 15:31.53 | Gngsk | yea, it's nice |
| 15:32.15 | Gngsk | SCiTE that is |
| 15:35.06 | Bouvi | Oh yeah I forgot to add I am on a Mac right now |
| 15:38.18 | Bouvi | Hmm the link to SCiTE from wowinterface gives me a 404 error |
| 15:44.13 | cogwheel | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info4989-SciTE-WOWInterface.html |
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| 15:54.22 | Josh_Borke | anyone care to help me create a command handler that can return "Multiple words here" into a single argument? |
| 15:56.50 | kasolafk | yes |
| 15:57.23 | kasolafk | no:< |
| 15:58.21 | kasolafk | sorry keyboard fubar |
| 15:58.37 | Bouvi | I would but I have no idea how. (yet) |
| 15:58.52 | kasolafk | sec, lemme get code |
| 16:01.25 | Corrodias | looks like wowi has recovered from the 2.0 traffic |
| 16:01.36 | Corrodias | i might get back to updating my addons in preparation for playing, within a few days |
| 16:02.03 | kasolafk | Josh_Borke http://pastey.net/3510 |
| 16:02.18 | kasolafk | oh wait |
| 16:02.30 | kasolafk | gfind == gmatch |
| 16:03.02 | kasolafk | fixed pastey |
| 16:03.22 | kasolafk | i hate on screen keyboard |
| 16:04.27 | Josh_Borke | kasolafk: i believe you misunderstood me. i want 'hello world: "my name is josh" hehe' -> {"hello","world:","my name is josh","hehe"} |
| 16:04.55 | kasolafk | oooh |
| 16:05.07 | kasolafk | hmm interesting |
| 16:06.13 | kasolafk | gimme 5min to fix keyboard |
| 16:07.27 | Josh_Borke | np. i'd like it to support ' or " but i believe that is trivial |
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| 16:09.38 | Thardal | do it with string.gsub |
| 16:10.15 | Thardal | something like |
| 16:10.51 | Thardal | (%a+) (%a+) \"([\\"]+\" (%a+) |
| 16:10.58 | Thardal | (%a+) (%a+) \"([\\"]+)\" (%a+) |
| 16:11.23 | Josh_Borke | i'd like it to be generic not just that specific string :-) |
| 16:11.47 | Thardal | well you cant tell the computer to just take a string apart how it believes it should be done |
| 16:11.54 | Thardal | there have to be rules |
| 16:12.02 | Thardal | those rules can be made into a regexp |
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| 16:14.57 | [HoD] | eh hey guys |
| 16:15.14 | [HoD] | somehow bartender3 isnt showing on my fubar anymore |
| 16:15.21 | [HoD] | and i know theres a command to get it to show |
| 16:15.26 | [HoD] | but i forgot which that is :p |
| 16:16.12 | Josh_Borke | Thardal: i know. i'm just not very good with regexp :-) |
| 16:16.20 | Mery | well Joshborke this is what cladhaire once posted but I dunno if there was an issue with it http://wowi.pastey.net/2109 |
| 16:17.15 | Stavmar | {HoD} there is a plugin for it, bartender Fu |
| 16:17.20 | Stavmar | i thought |
| 16:17.27 | Mery | well I guess one of the answers might be correct though now :) |
| 16:20.49 | Josh_Borke | Cide: are you away of any bugs with your buff bar? |
| 16:21.08 | [HoD] | hm |
| 16:21.14 | [HoD] | an addon that fixes my bartender? |
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| 16:23.02 | |FF|Im2good4u | guys are the arg1 and arg2 of an event now also passed to event handler as local variables ? |
| 16:23.21 | Josh_Borke | |FF|Im2good4u: can be yes |
| 16:23.35 | Josh_Borke | |FF|Im2good4u: careful, first argument is always the frame ;-) |
| 16:23.54 | |FF|Im2good4u | i sw on wike function(self,event,...) |
| 16:24.05 | |FF|Im2good4u | just how do i extract a arg1 out of a ... :P |
| 16:24.31 | Josh_Borke | |FF|Im2good4u: the ... represents vararg, you can do: local arg1,arg2,arg3,arg4,arg5 = ... if you know what they are |
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| 16:24.54 | Josh_Borke | you can also iterate through them with: for i=1,select('#',...) do print(select(i,...)) end |
| 16:26.04 | |FF|Im2good4u | oke so its table type ? |
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| 16:27.09 | Josh_Borke | no, it's a list ;-) |
| 16:27.22 | Mery | you can also just do function(self, event, arg1, arg2, arg3, arg4, arg5, arg6, arg7, arg8, arg9) I think |
| 16:27.45 | Josh_Borke | Mery: btw, how in the HELL do i use that pastey you gave me? |
| 16:28.01 | Maldivia | nice... why haven't I noticed ealier, that you could do /dump getmetatable(UIParent) - to list all the widget methods on that frame |
| 16:28.16 | cogwheel | or if you use "this" instead of "self" then you don't even need to change your code :) |
| 16:28.18 | |FF|Im2good4u | oke i think ... used tobely a table in the old lua ;P but thanks i understnad it now |
| 16:28.52 | Maldivia | |FF|Im2good4u: if you absolutely need a table, you can do local arg = { ... }; |
| 16:29.15 | |FF|Im2good4u | i dont need a table ofc i was trying to understand it ;P |
| 16:29.45 | Maldivia | well, some situations call for a table, so it's always nice to be able to convert it |
| 16:30.31 | Cide | Josh_Borke: nope |
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| 16:49.00 | phreaky | ~seen SP|Sorren |
| 16:49.22 | purl | sp|sorren <n=astrayca@adsl-75-26-176-152.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 8h 12m 2s ago, saying: 'oCB's supposed to show interrupts right?'. |
| 16:50.24 | kasolafk | oh yah, that reminds me i need to updated oCB |
| 16:50.29 | kasolafk | that interrup thing is annoying |
| 16:52.29 | zenzio | interrupt thing? |
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| 16:53.20 | |FF|Im2good4u | OMG!!! |
| 16:53.38 | |FF|Im2good4u | i jsut tryed unstaling wow ui desinger to reinstal it becase of an error |
| 16:53.47 | |FF|Im2good4u | but i accidentenly unstalled WoW :X |
| 16:53.54 | Bouvi | ACK |
| 16:54.05 | Bouvi | Does WoW UI Designer work with latest version? |
| 16:54.15 | |FF|Im2good4u | there is a BC beta version |
| 16:54.15 | phyber | shit, and when you uninstall WoW it removes all of your characters too :( unlucky. |
| 16:54.29 | cogwheel | ~smack phyber |
| 16:54.31 | purl | ACTION smacks phyber upside the head. |
| 16:54.33 | |FF|Im2good4u | lol im not fallig fo that phyber |
| 16:54.33 | phyber | ;) |
| 16:55.00 | |FF|Im2good4u | but i do have to redownload fo soem days :x |
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| 17:02.16 | |FF|Im2good4u | bye bye guys i have to jump in front of train now since i just unstalled my life :X |
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| 17:17.01 | thr | Hm, I'm having troubles with the new macros in 2.0 |
| 17:18.00 | thr | I've been toying around with it a bit, most of it works but the [modifier:shift/ctrl/alt] is a bit strange, this is my test macro: /cast [modifier:shift] Seal of Command(Rank 5);Seal of Command(Rank 1), but it refuses to work (ie cast SoC Rank5) if i hold down shift, however if i change it to ctrl it works perfekt =/ |
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| 17:18.36 | thr | Any idea why? And no i don't have shift+the button i use to actiave the macro bound to any other action |
| 17:19.17 | zenzio | think there's something about modifiers until 2.0.2, but don't trust me on it... only heard things, never tried it myself yet |
| 17:19.51 | Kirov | thr - is this on 1-0? |
| 17:20.10 | Kirov | ie: shift-1 |
| 17:20.54 | Kirov | There might be some sort of conflict with default page swapping keybindings in wow. |
| 17:21.14 | Mery | Josh_Borke: well as I see it you pass the string and single parts back (as a list) |
| 17:21.22 | Kirov | Try clearing those bindings in the keybindings and try it again. |
| 17:22.17 | Mery | s/and/and get/ |
| 17:23.47 | Kirov | bbiab |
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| 17:26.22 | seebs | Hey, I have a WoWI question. Is there a way to move my mod from "beta interfaces" to the regular area now that it seems to have stabilized? |
| 17:27.13 | Mery | just do "Cairenn: Please move my addon <link> to this <category name> when she is around" |
| 17:27.31 | Cide | Cairenn is a very intelligent bot |
| 17:27.36 | Stylpe | lol |
| 17:27.52 | Cide | don't mistake it for a human being; if it tries to seduce you, it is merely to steal your belongings |
| 17:28.12 | Mery | multi purpose bot* |
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| 17:29.48 | seebs | Heh. |
| 17:31.23 | seebs | Cairenn: Please move my addon, AnnoyRP (http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info6447-AnnoyRP.html) to something in Stand-Alone when you get a chance. |
| 17:31.44 | seebs | I have no idea what category it is; maybe it's sort of a chat mod. If the category were there, I'd call it a roleplaying mod. |
| 17:33.44 | seebs | I always hate trying to categorize things. |
| 17:33.45 | cogwheel | seebs: "when she is around" was the important part... :P |
| 17:33.51 | cogwheel | ~seen Cairenn |
| 17:34.01 | purl | cairenn <n=Cairenn@CPE001217452e29-CM014500004571.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 2d 9h 48m 38s ago, saying: 'nymbia: ;)'. |
| 17:34.02 | seebs | I see, so there's a bot. |
| 17:34.04 | Cide | bots are never gone |
| 17:34.20 | seebs | Cairenn: Please move my addon, AnnoyRP (http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info6447-AnnoyRP.html) to something in Stand-Alone when she is around. Maybe Miscellaneous or Chat? |
| 17:34.29 | Cide | she's just busy in an infinite loop right now |
| 17:34.40 | Cide | s/she/it/ |
| 17:34.59 | cogwheel | seebs: I meant that you shouldn't bother asking until she's around ... |
| 17:35.05 | seebs | Oh. |
| 17:35.14 | seebs | I was assuming it was a magic trick that made a bot remember it for her. |
| 17:35.20 | seebs | I have seen bots with keywords. :) |
| 17:35.38 | Cide | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=54894142&sid=1 |
| 17:35.39 | Cide | wow. |
| 17:35.48 | cogwheel | well, even so, you'd want to use Cairenn|afk, not Cairenn :P |
| 17:36.08 | cogwheel | Cide, he minus well shoot himself... |
| 17:36.11 | cogwheel | XD |
| 17:36.39 | Cide | haha |
| 17:37.04 | Scre3m | hehe |
| 17:37.13 | Scre3m | took me a second to understand that one |
| 17:38.51 | Scre3m | learn2idiom, haha |
| 17:38.51 | Scre3m | classic |
| 17:38.51 | cogwheel | :) |
| 17:40.02 | seebs | I did like "learn2idiom". Beautiful. |
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| 17:40.36 | ckknight | hey all |
| 17:40.40 | Scre3m | sup ck |
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| 17:52.43 | thr | well |
| 17:52.56 | thr | the modifier:shift still wont work |
| 17:53.01 | thr | and it's SHIFT+Q i'm trying to press |
| 17:53.04 | thr | not 1-0 |
| 17:53.20 | cogwheel | lol @ Malivil |
| 17:53.27 | thr | anyone have any idea? =/ |
| 17:54.09 | cogwheel | thr: modifiers are a bit buggy atm (especially shift since it's default use is to pick up actions) |
| 17:54.15 | cogwheel | 2.0.2 will have fixes |
| 17:55.27 | thr | ok |
| 17:55.28 | thr | damn. |
| 17:55.34 | thr | i was having such nice ideas to save up buttons, etc. |
| 17:55.59 | thr | when will 2.0.2 go live? any eta? |
| 17:57.06 | cogwheel | It's supposed to be the BC release patch, but BC beta is in 2.0.3 right now so I'd say all bets are off... |
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| 17:58.43 | thr | kk ;p |
| 17:59.14 | Corrodias | i certainly hope 2.0.2 gets pushed onto live sooner than that :) |
| 17:59.31 | thr | ye ;< |
| 17:59.32 | thr | me2 |
| 17:59.36 | Corrodias | then again i might not even PLAY a significant amount until then |
| 18:00.47 | Corrodias | i still have a lot of addon updating to do and a few more days of school work before i can continue doing that |
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| 18:05.56 | Industrial | :P~~~~~ |
| 18:05.58 | Industrial | http://break.com/index/greatest_girls_making_out_video.html |
| 18:07.01 | Industrial | That, is hot. |
| 18:07.29 | TS|Skrom_ | ping wereHamster |
| 18:08.37 | Corrodias | what's with the strange "spotlight" lighting and the lack of color? is he shooting in darkness? |
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| 18:10.03 | Corrodias | also, inappropriate music was used. however, the content is aces. |
| 18:10.39 | Kirov | the stack overflow error is an infinite loop, right? |
| 18:10.47 | Corrodias | generally |
| 18:11.26 | Corrodias | it is possible to overflow a stack with code that is otherwise functioning correctly and just has too much data to process, but it's pretty unusual i'd think. |
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| 18:13.35 | |FF|Im2good4u | guys wut use is a coruotine ? |
| 18:14.00 | cogwheel | |FF|Im2good4u: http://lua.org/pil |
| 18:14.01 | kergoth | |FF|Im2good4u: go read. |
| 18:14.12 | Cide | "what", "coroutine" |
| 18:17.57 | |FF|Im2good4u | ah so it can stop itself oke thats can be usefull sometimes :p |
| 18:18.30 | Cide | that's not the concept, seeing as a function can stop itself too |
| 18:18.44 | Cide | it stores its state |
| 18:20.11 | Gnarfoz | <Corrodias> what's with the strange "spotlight" lighting and the lack of color? is he shooting in darkness? <-- night vision mode on a camcorder, that is |
| 18:20.45 | Corrodias | they should learn about "lamps" and "ceiling lights" |
| 18:23.29 | kergoth | cooperative multithreading can be a useful thing. full threads are quite heavy |
| 18:23.44 | Cairenn|afk | seebs: moved |
| 18:26.27 | Cide | Corrodias: much cozier atmosphere without them ceiling lights! |
| 18:26.46 | cogwheel | Cairenn|afk: ltns! |
| 18:27.04 | Cairenn|afk | hi |
| 18:27.10 | Gryphen | he3ya |
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| 18:28.42 | Corrodias | i'd prefer high-definition, well-lit footage :d |
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| 18:30.03 | Kirov | ... why does the name "paris" come to mind from this conversation |
| 18:30.42 | cogwheel | same reason "pamela" comes to my mind... |
| 18:31.16 | Corrodias | and probably the same reason "sapphic" comes to mine |
| 18:31.19 | Tain | Wee got my Wii |
| 18:31.26 | cogwheel | gratz :) |
| 18:31.46 | cogwheel | You should order a new tv now so it'll arrive by the time your strap breaks... |
| 18:31.50 | Kirov | I've always had a wii |
| 18:31.56 | |FF|Im2good4u | "ctta: comes in my mind |
| 18:32.05 | Cairenn|afk | Industrial: reminder, a lot of people are in this channel from work, you need to preface links like that with the NSFW tag (although that one was pretty obvious from the link name itself) |
| 18:32.09 | Tain | I'm planning on just holding onto the controllers, cogwheel :) |
| 18:32.15 | cogwheel | :P |
| 18:32.18 | Tain | But I am still waiting for the component cables. |
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| 18:33.01 | Kevorkian | in the patch did blizz give us any updated time functions to get the date/time of server? |
| 18:33.12 | Kevorkian | or are we still stuck with HH:MM? |
| 18:33.15 | Kirov | Tain - http://www.wiihaveaproblem.com/show_article.php?id=76 |
| 18:33.26 | Tain | Yes yes seen it all before |
| 18:33.40 | Tain | As with most things, user error. |
| 18:33.48 | cogwheel | http://comesinthreesizes.ytmnd.com/ |
| 18:34.03 | Corrodias | http://www.sexmachine.com/nsfw/erotic/jizzball.mpg |
| 18:34.07 | Tain | And my handcuffs are definitely no used for such trivial things! |
| 18:34.11 | Corrodias | o shi-, forgot my nsfw tag! |
| 18:34.47 | cogwheel | Corrodias: I assumed so by "sexmachine," "nswf," "erotic," and "jizz" |
| 18:35.36 | Tain | You minus well just forget the nsfw tag then |
| 18:35.43 | cogwheel | lol |
| 18:36.18 | Tain | It's a perfectly cromulent term |
| 18:36.32 | Kirov | Tain - cheaper method http://www.flickr.com/photos/98046567@N00/sets/72157594405700187/ |
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| 18:39.49 | Tierrie|Work | thar she goes again |
| 18:40.44 | zenzio | don't let her fool you, she's just trying to catch you off guard |
| 18:43.48 | Tierrie|Work | i really want to go home and play |
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| 18:51.52 | |FF|Im2good4u | yeeh i got WoW again :p |
| 18:56.07 | xgravix | goodbye life and productivity |
| 18:56.25 | Kevorkian | how can you kill that which does not live? |
| 18:56.42 | xgravix | by cutting its internet connection =O |
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| 19:04.29 | DarkAngel | I just started trying to figure out how to code an add-on, and I was wondering if there was any good tutorials. I'm not really looking to add any frames, I just plan on creating a slash command for the moment, and having it cast some spells...I saw that the CastSpellByName function and CastSpell function are now protected, so what function do we use to cast spells? |
| 19:04.37 | DarkAngel | If anyone is not idle that is =D |
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| 19:06.06 | seebs | Cairenn, thanks. |
| 19:06.13 | Cairenn | welcome |
| 19:06.22 | Josh_Borke | Cairenn: !!! |
| 19:09.11 | Josh_Borke | Kevorkian: don't know of any time updates :-( |
| 19:09.38 | cogwheel | DarkAngel: you don't use a function :P You have to create a secure action button and set its attributes... |
| 19:09.50 | Josh_Borke | Cairenn: ping? |
| 19:10.55 | Cairenn | Josh_Borke: pong |
| 19:11.08 | Josh_Borke | Cairenn: can you move one of my mods out of beta? |
| 19:11.21 | Cairenn | pm me with link and cat to move it to |
| 19:11.29 | Josh_Borke | mmk |
| 19:11.37 | Josh_Borke | on wowi? |
| 19:11.42 | Cairenn | here |
| 19:14.20 | Josh_Borke | woohoo! i released a 2.0 mod! |
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| 19:16.53 | xgravix | har kitty kitty kitty |
| 19:17.06 | seebs | Are there enough "roleplay" mods to justify a category? I can't think of more than a handful of them. |
| 19:17.17 | Kevorkian | josh, you there? |
| 19:17.20 | Josh_Borke | Kevorkian: yes |
| 19:17.23 | Kevorkian | PM |
| 19:17.28 | Josh_Borke | i saw it |
| 19:17.40 | Josh_Borke | i don't know of any changes, that said i haven't had much time to mod/play lately |
| 19:17.59 | Kevorkian | heh |
| 19:18.01 | Kevorkian | fair nuff |
| 19:18.07 | Kevorkian | what's your 2.0 mod? |
| 19:18.10 | Josh_Borke | let me know if you find out of anything :-D |
| 19:18.15 | Josh_Borke | Kevorkian: Borked_Monitor. display pretty graphs! |
| 19:18.23 | Kevorkian | ya, would be spiffy if we could tell the darn time |
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| 19:21.40 | Josh_Borke | Cide: sorry for the delayed response. a guild mate said that his Flask showed up at "2h -34m" instead of "1h 26m" last night. is that a configuration option? |
| 19:21.50 | Cide | oh yeah |
| 19:21.56 | Cide | that's um... a feature! |
| 19:22.00 | Josh_Borke | lol |
| 19:22.06 | Josh_Borke | just checking ;-) |
| 19:24.26 | Tierrie|Work | i like that feature |
| 19:24.28 | Tierrie|Work | its totally awesome |
| 19:24.32 | Tierrie|Work | makes people think |
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| 19:34.57 | SP|Sorren | anyone know of a good in-game notepad program? |
| 19:35.01 | SP|Sorren | er, addon |
| 19:39.11 | Tain | Only ones I've used are TinyPad and LuaSlinger, and haven't tried either since the patch. |
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| 19:41.43 | zenzio | is there some issue with the priest's MC actionbar thingie? |
| 19:42.39 | Cide | taint |
| 19:43.14 | Cide | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:43.36 | zenzio | taint can make it not show, but not give an error message? |
| 19:43.49 | SP|Sorren | Tain: thanks. |
| 19:44.41 | |FF|Im2good4u | how do i make a macro that cast tranQlising shot and, onl sends a message when i hold shift down ? |
| 19:44.52 | seebs | Is it possible to detect mouse clicks on a FontString object? |
| 19:45.31 | ckknight | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:45.33 | ckknight | or something |
| 19:45.35 | seebs | I tried just putting an <OnClick> in it, but no luck, apparently. |
| 19:46.58 | Shadowed | sylvanaar: Was sleeping, yes i am |
| 19:47.48 | Shadowed | although I guess you're afk now! |
| 19:48.50 | zenzio | Cide: thanks, that seemed to do the trick; although the bar seems to overlap the additional bottom-left actionbar |
| 19:49.46 | Tierrie|Work | god i wish TBC would be out already |
| 19:49.49 | Tierrie|Work | so we can go and kick ass |
| 19:50.50 | zenzio | I wish it would be out so my guild would go back to raiding |
| 19:50.50 | Tierrie|Work | your guild stopped raiding too? |
| 19:50.50 | Bouvi | I have to go to a summit the weekend after TBC comes out :( |
| 19:50.50 | Tierrie|Work | mine just totall went flaccid on raiding |
| 19:51.09 | Tierrie|Work | we have less than 40 people to raid now since we want to downsize for expansion |
| 19:51.12 | Tierrie|Work | so now our raids are short |
| 19:51.27 | Tierrie|Work | short people that is |
| 19:51.35 | zenzio | we have 44 in guild, but are lucky to see 25 online at raid time |
| 19:52.27 | zenzio | what WoW really lacks is the ability to cast hostile spells on yourself |
| 19:52.48 | zenzio | no fun when you can't accidentally DoT yourself |
| 19:52.48 | Scre3m | or on friendly NPCs |
| 19:52.53 | Tierrie|Work | haha palm to the face + fireball? |
| 19:53.19 | Bouvi | Be cool if a spell had a 1% chance to backfire |
| 19:53.31 | Bouvi | Or a rogue in stealth trip |
| 19:53.39 | Scre3m | in the first week i played EQ, i attacked and was killed by a guard at least 5 times |
| 19:53.40 | Tierrie|Work | only if the melee had a 1% chance to drop their weapons and stab their foot |
| 19:53.41 | Scre3m | good times |
| 19:53.58 | Scre3m | (on accident) |
| 19:54.08 | zenzio | I remember in Anarchy Online... always fun when the doctor managed to cast Uncontrollable Body Tremors on himself |
| 19:54.15 | Scre3m | hehe |
| 19:58.12 | Josh_Borke | ok, i need smart people to explain a tokenizer to me |
| 19:58.43 | Josh_Borke | http://wowi.pastey.net/2143-240t <-- how do i use that? |
| 19:58.51 | Scre3m | A parsing program that scans text and determines when and if a series of characters can be recognized as a token. |
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| 20:33.47 | Antiarc | Josh_Borke: A tokenizer just returns the next token each time you call it |
| 20:34.27 | Antiarc | A token is some subset of a piece of text based on whatever rules. For example, you could tokenize this by splitting on space, and each word (and associated punctuation) would be a token. |
| 20:35.10 | bnovc | MC would be a lot more effective if you could destroy items when they're MCed |
| 20:35.14 | bnovc | pop there goes their epic swodr |
| 20:35.16 | bnovc | *sword |
| 20:35.37 | Antiarc | Rogues would be a lot more effective if people died when they were targeted by a rogue. |
| 20:35.45 | zenzio | effective is not the right word bnovc |
| 20:36.30 | Kevorkian | just means folks would play naked |
| 20:36.38 | Kevorkian | not that playing naked is a bad thing |
| 20:36.55 | bnovc | heh |
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| 20:37.06 | bnovc | it would promote more people to use nudde mods |
| 20:37.10 | bnovc | *nude |
| 20:37.30 | zenzio | doubt it |
| 20:37.59 | TuX_BuBling | does someone as noted growing memory usage with sea lib loaded? |
| 20:39.06 | seebs | Hey, if I wanted to put up or down arrows in text, without using a separate texture object, are there values I could safely use that will look better than "^" and "v"? |
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| 20:39.41 | bnovc | dont think so |
| 20:40.30 | Kevorkian | any other arrows would be dependent on the font |
| 20:40.36 | seebs | Bleh. |
| 20:40.45 | seebs | I want to allow sorting of a list by clicking on headers. |
| 20:40.57 | seebs | I was just gonna change the headers to "^ X" or "v X", but it's sorta ugly. |
| 20:41.13 | bnovc | seebs: just write ASC or DESC |
| 20:41.21 | seebs | Doh. |
| 20:41.26 | seebs | Very excellent. |
| 20:41.56 | bnovc | takes up more space but i dont think people would understand ^ v |
| 20:43.42 | Industrial | hm wow 4.5 litres of fruit jouice for 2 euros |
| 20:44.33 | Industrial | :p |
| 20:45.01 | seebs | I let you set a primary and secondary sort key, either forwards or backwards in each. |
| 20:45.04 | Industrial | Cairenn: ack oki |
| 20:45.35 | seebs | Man. Now I want to do that to the auction house. |
| 20:46.00 | Industrial | AuctionSort. wowace.com |
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| 20:48.33 | seebs | Heh. |
| 20:49.24 | ScratchMonkey | How would one get "FUNCTION??" in a string? I'm tracing back where that debug message comes from in the latest Auctioneer and I'm thinking it's coming from a call to dump() |
| 20:51.26 | Industrial | you can get a trace with BugSack |
| 20:52.15 | ScratchMonkey | I'm not sure how that would help, since I don't know where the string is coming from... |
| 20:52.40 | ScratchMonkey | occurs to me I can go through the file I think this is coming from and put another print above each suspect one that just puts out the line number |
| 20:53.43 | Industrial | It helos cause it tells you through what functions it went to get to the error |
| 20:53.46 | Industrial | helps* |
| 20:53.49 | Industrial | ie a trace :S |
| 20:54.34 | Industrial | its nice to have anyway instead of the default error display :P |
| 20:55.00 | Industrial | http://wowace.com/files/!BugGrabber/!BugGrabber-r20312.zip |
| 20:55.01 | Industrial | http://wowace.com/files/BugSack/BugSack-r20313.zip |
| 20:55.09 | Shadowed | The default error display is fun, it's like a game of "where's the error" that requires you to search through endless amounts of code to find out whats the actual problem! |
| 20:55.45 | Industrial | unless you add debugging while making the addon |
| 20:55.52 | Industrial | but I dont :P |
| 20:55.55 | Shadowed | wheres the fun in that |
| 20:57.01 | ScratchMonkey | auctioneer uses enhtooltip which provides a nice debugPrint API to issue messages to a specific named chat tab |
| 20:57.09 | ScratchMonkey | almost like printf in C++ ;) |
| 20:57.10 | seebs | Yay! It's working now. |
| 20:57.45 | Industrial | seebs: \o/ |
| 20:58.02 | seebs | I can now sort my list of events on any two fields, ascending or descending. |
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| 20:59.54 | KYR | hi, does anyone know of a mod similar to archud but that also displays debuff/buffs in/around the rings? |
| 21:00.05 | Industrial | yeah |
| 21:00.09 | Industrial | search for 'hud' |
| 21:00.26 | KYR | i get a lot of hits, any help narrowing that list down? |
| 21:00.50 | ScratchMonkey | woot! found it! function was invoked with (...) param list, but is referencing mystery variable "message" |
| 21:01.07 | Industrial | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/search.php?action=showresults&searchid=16769&sortby=filename&sortorder=asc |
| 21:01.13 | Industrial | i get 8 different ones |
| 21:01.33 | Industrial | ScratchMonkey: did you try bugsack yet? :P |
| 21:02.28 | Industrial | AH crap >:( now not only does blizzard mess with the chat tabs too much and makes them overlap and disappear - now it also forgets my show names on players heads settings |
| 21:02.31 | Industrial | EVERY TIME I LOG IN |
| 21:02.58 | Industrial | i get to delete 3 tabs and set settings every. damn. login. |
| 21:03.08 | seebs | Woo! I found an awesomely cool stupid bug. |
| 21:03.39 | seebs | My list of available event lists would only display the ones that showed up before your own name or the global list in pairs(...), because I used "break" when I meant "continue". |
| 21:03.45 | seebs | (Of course, lua doesn't HAVE "continue".) |
| 21:10.03 | ScratchMonkey | Industrial: not yet, but I've got them downloaded to check out. Waiting for its wiki page to load now.... |
| 21:10.31 | ScratchMonkey | in this case it wasn't a lua error |
| 21:10.36 | ScratchMonkey | so no error message to capture |
| 21:11.09 | ScratchMonkey | i'm guessing "message" is a function name in the scope where the problem was happening and the dump() API was showing that |
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| 21:17.28 | Shadowed | sylvanaar: ping |
| 21:21.19 | sylvanaar | Shadowed: hey, i had a question earlier now i have 2 |
| 21:21.24 | Shadowed | Sure, whats up? |
| 21:21.49 | sylvanaar | well do i need SSOverlay to run your current beta? |
| 21:22.27 | Shadowed | You shouldn't |
| 21:23.00 | sylvanaar | Shadowed: i got a ton of errors in bugsack, lemme get one |
| 21:23.50 | Shadowed | Ah, SSPVP doesn't need the overlay but the SSAV and SSAB mods need them so if you're running those without the overlay you'll get errors |
| 21:24.25 | sylvanaar | [2006/12/13 15:15:37-402-x1]: SSAB\SSAB.lua:449: attempt to call global 'SSOverlay_RemoveRow' (a nil value) |
| 21:24.25 | sylvanaar | SSAB\SSAB.lua:449: in function `eventHandler' |
| 21:24.25 | sylvanaar | SSBGLibrary\SSBGLibrary.lua:640: in function `SSLibrary_FireEvent' |
| 21:24.25 | sylvanaar | SSBGLibrary\SSBGLibrary.lua:245: in function `SSLibrary_OnEvent' |
| 21:24.30 | sylvanaar | oops |
| 21:24.33 | sylvanaar | yeah ok |
| 21:25.07 | Shadowed | it's a hacky system thats suppose to be able to run standalone and such but never got around to it, need to recode it again when i have the time |
| 21:27.09 | bleetah | cogwheel: bit of a brief noob question re: your stand alone lua mod you've got released there. is that suitable to use to continue development/bug testing etc. when offline (eg, realm down, I can't be bothered logging in, etc.)? |
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| 21:28.05 | cogwheel | it's just a basic lua environment... it doesn't attempt to recreate the WoW API, event system, etc. For that you'd need wowbench, but wowbench isn't updated for 2.0 yet |
| 21:28.23 | cogwheel | If you need to do simple unit testing on individual functions, it'll work just fine :) |
| 21:28.48 | kergoth | hmm |
| 21:28.49 | bleetah | yup, that was my suspicion, and thanks for the tip re: wowbench, I'll keep an eye out ;) |
| 21:29.26 | cogwheel | I talked to mikk the other day... he's been busy so i don't think much has happened with it |
| 21:29.50 | kergoth | i think i'll at least start on the lua5.1 issues. the 2.0 api stuff is a whole nothing ball of wax :| |
| 21:29.52 | bleetah | <still trying to get head around LUA/XML, a basic unit tester thing is near perfect for me ;) |
| 21:30.22 | cogwheel | kergoth: well, for the 5.1 binary, feel free to use http://sf.net/projects/lua511wow |
| 21:30.50 | cogwheel | and let me know if it needs any additions to get wowbench up and running |
| 21:31.28 | kergoth | i do my independent work on a linux box with a pile of libs in my LUAPATH. stdlib, bitlib, others |
| 21:31.31 | kergoth | should be sufficient |
| 21:32.14 | cogwheel | kergoth: lua511wow is a standard lua source tree with bitlib and some wow-specific stuff built in |
| 21:32.34 | cogwheel | I just happen to pack a windows binary along with it since most people don't have VC++ :) |
| 21:33.04 | kergoth | i like setting the LUA_INIT variable to @$HOME/.lua/init.lua |
| 21:33.13 | kergoth | then init.lua sets LUA_PATH and LUA_CPATH based on the lua version |
| 21:33.18 | kergoth | so theres ~/.lua50 and ~/.lua51 |
| 21:33.23 | kergoth | works fairly well for maintaining sanity |
| 21:35.56 | kergoth | what hardware? |
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| 21:38.13 | cogwheel | the jmicron PATA controller used on motherboards with the p965 chipset (which doesn't support PATA natively) |
| 21:38.32 | kergoth | ahh |
| 21:38.34 | cogwheel | the fix is in kernel 2.6.19, but it's not in any major distros yet |
| 21:39.18 | kergoth | thats troublesome, bit hard to install a distro, unless you want to rebuild the installer or something equally annoying |
| 21:40.20 | cogwheel | between cygwin & vmware player, i'm fine waiting :) |
| 21:40.51 | kergoth | cygwin is nice, just wish it wasnt so damn slow |
| 21:40.57 | kergoth | its filesystem access is terrible |
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| 21:42.48 | Guillotine | could someone ping www.worldofwarcraft.com and tell me what ip address they get? |
| 21:43.08 | kergoth | ~/code$ host www.worldofwarcraft.com |
| 21:43.10 | kergoth | www.worldofwarcraft.com is an alias for worldofwarcraft.com. |
| 21:43.10 | kergoth | worldofwarcraft.com has address 12.129.217.201 |
| 21:43.10 | cogwheel | 12.129.217.201 |
| 21:43.11 | Shadowed | 12.129.217.201 |
| 21:43.14 | Guillotine | ty :) |
| 21:43.45 | cogwheel | well, looks like the DNS system is doing its job :P |
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| 21:58.29 | Guillotine | wow... a guild putting a recruiter ad on google ads o.O First time seeing that |
| 21:58.36 | Tierrie|Work | link! |
| 21:58.58 | Shadowed | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:00.14 | Guillotine | Shadowed: thats what this one was |
| 22:00.25 | Guillotine | didn't even say alliance/horde us/eu server |
| 22:00.39 | TonyD | betcha it was a gold ad disguised |
| 22:00.43 | Shadowed | nope it wasn't |
| 22:00.50 | Shadowed | it was a legit recruitment post |
| 22:01.01 | Guillotine | ya, its legit. just kind of vague |
| 22:03.22 | Tierrie|Work | "do u pwn? we wan j00" |
| 22:03.41 | Shadowed | No it was actually spelled pretty well |
| 22:03.51 | TonyD | pwn is well-spelt |
| 22:03.54 | TonyD | heh |
| 22:04.06 | TonyD | new form of slang |
| 22:04.21 | TonyD | like pr0n |
| 22:04.27 | Jens | Uhm... WTF: |
| 22:04.30 | Jens | "Rabbit dies." |
| 22:04.32 | TS|Skrom_ | I seem to be having a hard time with /cast [button] |
| 22:04.36 | TonyD | cuz word obfuscation seems to be in |
| 22:04.37 | TS|Skrom_ | anyone got any tips or tricks? |
| 22:04.44 | Jens | "Your skinning was evaded by Rabbit." |
| 22:04.54 | TonyD | haha |
| 22:04.57 | bleetah | lol |
| 22:05.07 | TonyD | how bout fighting frogs? |
| 22:05.09 | Cide | http://www.ferryhalim.com/orisinal/g3/bells.htm - if anyone dares: it's very addicting |
| 22:05.27 | Guillotine | TS|Skrom_: you using the default blizzard bars? |
| 22:05.36 | TS|Skrom_ | no using bartender |
| 22:05.41 | TS|Skrom_ | has that been causing problems? |
| 22:05.47 | Guillotine | S01 for left click, s02 for right |
| 22:05.49 | Guillotine | middle doesn't work |
| 22:05.58 | Guillotine | S02* |
| 22:05.59 | TS|Skrom_ | "S01"? |
| 22:06.30 | Guillotine | e.g. /cast [button:S01] Wrath; [button:S02] Starfire |
| 22:06.42 | Guillotine | would wrath if you left click, starfire if you right |
| 22:06.45 | bleetah | cide: very cute, thanks :) |
| 22:06.54 | TS|Skrom_ | I understand that, but why S01 and not just 1? |
| 22:07.11 | TS|Skrom_ | that wasn't in the http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=51896128&sid=1 thread lol |
| 22:07.23 | Jens | Check out this gem I had a while back: http://jensrex.net/img/rat_resist.png |
| 22:07.24 | Guillotine | I believe its not possible for an addon to use just 1 or 2 |
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| 22:07.51 | Cide | you say that, wait until you sit with it 8 hours straight, bleetah! |
| 22:07.59 | Guillotine | S01 is Stance 0 button 1 I believe |
| 22:08.34 | Guillotine | nevcairiel: ping? |
| 22:08.34 | TS|Skrom_ | how odd |
| 22:09.26 | Guillotine | that game is addicting :P |
| 22:09.38 | TS|Skrom_ | omg it is |
| 22:10.00 | bleetah | yeah, i've run screaming from it, coz I know there's no way I'd get anything done today if I stayed there for more than 30 seconds |
| 22:10.13 | Cide | Guillotine: told you! |
| 22:11.01 | Guillotine | Cide: whats your high score? |
| 22:11.14 | TS|Skrom_ | okay so is the S01 thing a built in limitation? or maybe the addon just isn't passing the right info? |
| 22:11.20 | Cide | 51 440 550 |
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| 22:12.11 | Tierrie|Work | how does the horde increase first aid beyond 225? |
| 22:12.47 | TS|Skrom_ | hammerfall |
| 22:12.52 | TS|Skrom_ | doctor in the one building |
| 22:12.56 | TS|Skrom_ | must be level 35+ |
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| 22:13.13 | Qshadowp | aww, i got banned from a IRC channel for talking to someone in binary :( |
| 22:13.16 | Guillotine | TS|Skrom_ Its a bulit in limitation that they can't just use 1 or 2. nevcairiel decided to use S01 and S02 for bartender. that was his choice |
| 22:13.23 | Guillotine | Qshadowp: lol |
| 22:13.26 | Qshadowp | they thought i was spamming, we where having a really cool conversation :( |
| 22:13.32 | Qshadowp | hehe |
| 22:13.47 | TS|Skrom_ | Oh I see |
| 22:14.15 | TS|Skrom_ | So I should take it up with nevcairiel to get button 3, 4 and 5 working? lol |
| 22:14.32 | Guillotine | TS|Skrom_ yup :) |
| 22:14.43 | Osagasu | Every time you make a thread asking to nerf warlocks, we buff warlocks more! |
| 22:14.54 | Qshadowp | ^ Quote from blizzard GM ^ |
| 22:14.57 | Qshadowp | i love that quote lol |
| 22:15.11 | Osagasu | The quote is " Every time you post a nerf warlocks thread, we buff warlocks more!" |
| 22:15.15 | Osagasu | So nyah. :P |
| 22:15.16 | Guillotine | CM you mean, right? |
| 22:15.26 | Qshadowp | xD |
| 22:15.37 | Tierrie|Work | they should include a picture of a kitten with that |
| 22:15.53 | Qshadowp | grr zone alarm firewall is getting on my nerves, it keeps shutting down my DNS for no apparent reason |
| 22:16.34 | Tierrie|Work | hey i just realized, tbc and bts's talent tree is different for rogues, is this intentional? |
| 22:16.41 | Guillotine | Cide: ctscreens isn't working :( every time you try to view an image it forwards you to www.ctscreens.net/sqlerror |
| 22:16.58 | Guillotine | Tierrie: ya, they used an old version of TBC talents in live :/ |
| 22:17.04 | Cide | ya, we're working on it Guillotine |
| 22:17.17 | Tierrie|Work | Guillotine: thanks figures |
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| 22:17.29 | Qshadowp | Cide just a quick question, any ETA on the new version of CT Profiles? :) |
| 22:17.37 | Cide | when I have time |
| 22:17.40 | Guillotine | sucks :/ hopefully theill give a free respec when they update it |
| 22:17.44 | Qshadowp | lol ok :( |
| 22:18.12 | Guillotine | btw, whoever first told me about bash.org |
| 22:18.14 | Guillotine | i hate you |
| 22:18.19 | Tierrie|Work | hahaha |
| 22:18.20 | Tierrie|Work | bash is awesome |
| 22:18.20 | Qshadowp | lol i don't like the new mages talents tbh |
| 22:18.22 | Tierrie|Work | i have a quote on there |
| 22:18.23 | Osagasu | I think that quote is going to replace my Neth quote "I'm allergic to Pepsi, so I drink Dr. Pepper. True Story." |
| 22:18.29 | Guillotine | Tierrie: link :D |
| 22:18.55 | Tierrie|Work | http://www.bash.org/?search=tierrie&sort=0&show=25 |
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| 22:19.32 | Guillotine | lol |
| 22:20.18 | Qshadowp | <[SA]HatfulOfHollow> i'm going to become rich and famous after i invent a device that allows you to stab people in the face over the internet |
| 22:20.21 | Qshadowp | ^ correct |
| 22:20.29 | Tierrie|Work | i'd not be too happy |
| 22:20.34 | Tierrie|Work | i'd stab you first for binary speaking |
| 22:21.00 | Qshadowp | noes, dont nerf my binary speaking :( |
| 22:21.03 | Qshadowp | 0110001001101001011011100110000101110010011110010010000001000110010101000101011100100001 |
| 22:21.06 | Qshadowp | :D |
| 22:21.34 | Tierrie|Work | Guillotine: do you know maddox? or have you heard of the "best page on the internet" |
| 22:21.40 | Tierrie|Work | maddox has a quote on there too |
| 22:21.43 | TonyD | how would i make a macro that I could click, then click on a unit to set focys without targetting? |
| 22:22.01 | Guillotine | tierrie: no, don't know maddox |
| 22:22.21 | Guillotine | he has several it seems |
| 22:22.33 | Tierrie|Work | Guillotine: read this http://maddox.xmission.com |
| 22:22.49 | Tierrie|Work | its a bit funnier than bash |
| 22:22.58 | bleetah | best page on the internet used to be Kibo's webtv page, but his site seems to be no more :'( |
| 22:23.32 | bleetah | oooh, it seems to be back! :) |
| 22:24.21 | bleetah | http://www.kibo.com/webtv/webtv.html |
| 22:24.51 | bleetah | (if you don't have large wads of free resources on your comp, don't look) |
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| 22:33.53 | TonyD | no macro-masters? |
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| 22:35.27 | Guillotine | [target=none] |
| 22:35.40 | Guillotine | I missed your message in the middle of all the talking :P |
| 22:35.48 | Tierrie|Work | yes |
| 22:35.49 | Tierrie|Work | all the talking |
| 22:36.02 | Tierrie|Work | all the jibber jabber |
| 22:36.15 | TonyD | how would I make it so I can click the macro, then the unit i want to be focuses? |
| 22:36.55 | TonyD | not much of a macroer, gotta really inneficient one with 2 casts,m and a castsequence |
| 22:36.55 | Guillotine | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:37.10 | Guillotine | wait, do you mean target or focus? |
| 22:38.01 | TonyD | well, got a frame for the focused unit, so I can click-cast, but want to be able to set the focus without changing target |
| 22:38.15 | TonyD | without doing a specific cast |
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| 22:41.44 | Guillotine | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:41.49 | Guillotine | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:41.51 | Guillotine | I believe |
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| 22:42.57 | Tem | 99% sure that won't work guil |
| 22:43.07 | Tem | I don't think what he wants can be done |
| 22:43.13 | Tem | (by an addon) |
| 22:43.15 | Guillotine | oh, ok :P |
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| 22:57.30 | Guillotine | wow... just wow... http://www3.state.id.us/oasis/2005/HCR029.html |
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| 22:57.35 | Guillotine | and thats an official idaho website |
| 22:57.46 | Saeris | Anyone on the beta servers right now? |
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| 23:02.04 | Tierrie|Work | wow |
| 23:02.12 | Tierrie|Work | my unit manager is actually sleeping on the job |
| 23:02.14 | Tierrie|Work | good god |
| 23:03.15 | Qshadowp | lol why is it allways so difficult to pay wow |
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| 23:03.24 | Qshadowp | i dunno why but they have serious problems with accepting my card |
| 23:03.49 | Qshadowp | last time i remember they said "Payment rejected" , so i called my card company and they said that they had given them the money |
| 23:03.51 | Qshadowp | xD |
| 23:04.11 | Qshadowp | now they arn't accepting it at all -_- |
| 23:04.58 | bnovc | Qshadowp: yea, they should just make it free, no cc problems then |
| 23:05.34 | Qshadowp | y :D |
| 23:05.49 | Qshadowp | btw i have $1.4k on my card, i just checked |
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| 23:05.51 | Qshadowp | blizzard fails :( |
| 23:05.55 | vince | hi there |
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| 23:06.00 | Qshadowp | hi vince :D |
| 23:06.03 | bnovc | Qshadowp: how do you have money on a credit card? |
| 23:06.09 | bnovc | is it a debit card too |
| 23:06.11 | kremonte | is it not possible to get on US servers using EU clients anymore? |
| 23:06.21 | bnovc | kremonte: i dont think so |
| 23:06.25 | kremonte | :( |
| 23:06.30 | Qshadowp | you stab your brother till he gives you his card so you can buy stuff on it? :D |
| 23:06.33 | kremonte | that just ruins my day altogether! |
| 23:06.41 | Qshadowp | lol |
| 23:06.52 | bnovc | Qshadowp: cc's dont hold money....they hold debt and you pay off the debt... |
| 23:06.57 | bnovc | maybe your card has $1.4k in debt on it |
| 23:07.07 | vince | I need a little help :p I'm trying to build a mod (yea I've got a lot of time to waste) and I need to save a table when leaving the game |
| 23:07.07 | Qshadowp | nah its a debit\credit\visa |
| 23:07.20 | vince | I just have to put the name in the ## SaveVariable? |
| 23:07.21 | kremonte | in the toc, vince, have a ## SavedVariables: line |
| 23:07.21 | Qshadowp | tis some strange card with overseas banking |
| 23:07.38 | kremonte | yes |
| 23:07.38 | bnovc | vince: yea, blizzard stores it |
| 23:07.38 | Qshadowp | thats why blizzard don't like it i think, i have to call them every time to get it to work :( |
| 23:07.39 | kremonte | blizzard doesn't store savedvars :O |
| 23:08.08 | bnovc | kremonte: yes, they do...they write it to your computer with your client |
| 23:08.10 | bnovc | your code doesnt do it |
| 23:08.18 | kremonte | blizzard doesn't STORE them though :P |
| 23:08.21 | kremonte | your HD does! |
| 23:08.22 | bnovc | yes, they do |
| 23:08.26 | bnovc | they dont store them ON THEIR SERVERS |
| 23:08.43 | vince | arf... it's always set to nil in the WTF/SavedVariables/mymod.lua |
| 23:08.45 | bnovc | if i put my computer in your house, i'm still storing it their even though its not in my house |
| 23:08.58 | kremonte | vince: do you have it written correctly? |
| 23:09.02 | kremonte | ## SavedVariables: sgfdfsdgsdfg |
| 23:09.03 | TS|Skrom_ | anyone here play a paladin? |
| 23:09.22 | bnovc | nope, but i kill them :P |
| 23:09.40 | Qshadowp | uhh...your not gonna find loladins on irc :P |
| 23:09.50 | vince | kremonte: yes it's written correctly.. my table is declared with "local", does it changes something ? |
| 23:09.52 | Qshadowp | around 70% of the people who play paladins are under the age of 16 :( |
| 23:10.03 | Qshadowp | atleast in my experiance they are :P |
| 23:10.08 | bnovc | Qshadowp: around 90% of the people who play alliance on my server are <13 |
| 23:10.20 | kremonte | vince: i'm unsure if local variables can be saved, try removing it? :P |
| 23:10.20 | Qshadowp | hehe :P |
| 23:10.33 | kremonte | basing age on faction = /no |
| 23:10.37 | bnovc | i've met a few horde people who were playing alliance before and got fed up with grouping with children, it's funny |
| 23:10.56 | Qshadowp | im one of those people ;) |
| 23:10.58 | bnovc | kremonte: i'm not basing age on faction |
| 23:11.01 | vince | me too :) |
| 23:11.05 | Qshadowp | i just havn't quite been annoyed enough to reroll my level 60 yet :( |
| 23:11.09 | kremonte | i group witha s many children horde side than alliance |
| 23:11.10 | Qshadowp | i really like my mage :D |
| 23:11.12 | amro | from my experience there are more mature players on horde |
| 23:11.14 | kremonte | s/than/as with/ |
| 23:11.33 | vince | but I've to many things in the alliance side... such a shame :'( |
| 23:11.35 | bnovc | i don't know about most servers, but its DEFINITELY the case on darrowmere |
| 23:11.53 | kremonte | never been the case on any server i've been on.. it's just more likely you'll run into a child alliance side than horde side |
| 23:11.58 | kremonte | because of the population differences |
| 23:12.20 | bnovc | kremonte: its 1.1 horde to 1.0 alliance on darrowmere |
| 23:12.29 | kremonte | one of the few, heh |
| 23:12.41 | kremonte | of the four servers i've played on, all have had a big difference in faction population |
| 23:12.42 | bnovc | it doesnt seem like it at all, but apparently it is |
| 23:12.52 | kremonte | and it can be noticed especially with BG queues |
| 23:13.02 | kremonte | 5 min AV queue on my alliance toons, <15s AV queue on my horde toons |
| 23:13.03 | vince | kremonte: right guess, it works find without the local keyword |
| 23:13.12 | kremonte | vince: :) |
| 23:13.27 | bnovc | kremonte: heh, i wish i ever had queues that long |
| 23:13.34 | bnovc | most my queues are like 20 minutes it seems like |
| 23:13.40 | bnovc | or rather, it is, as there is a timer |
| 23:13.50 | kremonte | i'm on a battlegroup with relatively new servers, though it includes Korgath |
| 23:13.55 | vince | raaaaa fuck... the letters with accents always screw everything (french guy here) |
| 23:14.15 | kremonte | vince: il y a un page sur wowwiki avec des codes |
| 23:14.46 | vince | merci :) |
| 23:15.22 | kremonte | utilisez http://black-fraternity.de/lua/utf8converter.php |
| 23:15.42 | kremonte | e.g. hé donne h\195\169 |
| 23:16.31 | bnovc | shift click on names? |
| 23:16.42 | kremonte | huh? o_O |
| 23:16.51 | seebs | TS: I have a pally. |
| 23:17.06 | kremonte | i suppose if i can't get on live US servers using FR or DE client, i can't get on beta servers... hmm |
| 23:20.01 | vince | btw, is it possible to write something to a file in the addon directory, or will it always be in the WTF/.../SavedVar one? |
| 23:20.29 | kremonte | always in savedvars |
| 23:20.50 | seebs | It has to go into savedvars. |
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| 23:21.44 | Lamex | Tuller, another bug, in 6.12.07 mc works fine with the pet bar, but with all later version, checked 6.12.10 and .13 it ain't working >.< |
| 23:22.20 | Tuller | Lamex: I don't think I've actually touched the petbar code since 6.12.07 |
| 23:22.58 | seebs | Tuller... As in Bongos? |
| 23:23.06 | Tuller | seebs: yes |
| 23:23.14 | seebs | Tuller, would you be open to a submitted patch to add kewl new options to the XP bar? |
| 23:23.36 | Lamex | Tuller, owh nvm.. again not showing when loading ui with bars hidden.. this is getting nasty >.< |
| 23:24.08 | Tuller | Lamex: don't hide the pet bar or else it'll always remain hidden :) |
| 23:24.14 | Tuller | Lamex: that's intentional :) |
| 23:24.18 | Lamex | Tuller, ment main bars |
| 23:24.34 | Tuller | seebs: go for it |
| 23:24.58 | Tuller | seebs: the casting bar is changed in today's update to match the target frame one |
| 23:25.02 | Tuller | ie, tooltip border |
| 23:25.41 | Lamex | Tuller, I think this is related again with main bars hidden like the stance swapping ignoring |
| 23:26.41 | Saeris | Anyone on the beta servers right now? |
| 23:26.46 | Tuller | Saeris: yes |
| 23:27.09 | Saeris | Can you tell me whether or not the GetManaRegen function exists? |
| 23:27.58 | Tuller | it exists |
| 23:28.10 | Saeris | Excerrent. Thanks. |
| 23:31.27 | Lamex | Tuller, great now I cannot reproduce it.. weird.. well I try to fix the stance swapping tomorrow btw |
| 23:35.47 | Kirkburn | 7.1 gig, that's how large my WoW:TBC folder is now .... ouch |
| 23:37.17 | Tierrie|Work | i want to see a wave of tsunami rush over the wow official boards drowning all who stand in its wake |
| 23:39.59 | Kirkburn | Christ, would you look at the UI usage in this screenshot? http://www.clearfont.co.uk/Screenshots/CF%20v11100-1/WoWScrnShot_062406_003602.jpg |
| 23:40.56 | Guillotine | Kirkburn: meh. thats nothing. In my pre-2.0 setup, I had not one bit of the default UI being used |
| 23:40.57 | Guillotine | let me see if I can dig up a screenshot |
| 23:41.04 | Kirkburn | What in sam hell was I thinking? I have a more advanced UI now which uses 20 :/ |
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| 23:41.36 | Kirkburn | Guillotine, I was more meaning the fact it was 67 meg of UI goodness :P |
| 23:41.49 | Guillotine | oh, wow |
| 23:41.51 | Guillotine | o.O |
| 23:42.03 | Kirkburn | heh, but I still want to see your screenie! |
| 23:42.33 | Kirkburn | It was Discord + Gatherer that really did it, I think |
| 23:43.07 | Guillotine | I take that back. I did use the default chat frames somewhat. I used WIM for whispers though |
| 23:43.23 | seebs | I am probably going to be stripping my UI down substantially in the next couple of weeks. |
| 23:43.49 | seebs | I've noticed that there's an awful lot of mods that I can't even conceive of anyone wanting. |
| 23:45.18 | Tierrie|Work | good man |
| 23:45.37 | Tierrie|Work | Guillotine did you finish reading bash |
| 23:45.56 | Guillotine | what do you mean finish reading bash? |
| 23:47.22 | Guillotine | my pre-2.0 ui: http://www.hackwow.com/guillotine/Screenshots/FastestWin.jpg |
| 23:47.42 | Tierrie|Work | I mean that have you read bash sufficiently to your heart's content and no longer wish to continue reading bash for the time being |
| 23:47.50 | Tierrie|Work | that's what I meant by "finish reading" |
| 23:47.57 | Lamex | blegh I wish I could do an ingame stack trace so I can trough functionsit goes >.< |
| 23:48.04 | Lamex | for addons |
| 23:48.05 | Guillotine | I've been reading it for about 4 months. I just check the latest every day or so now :P |
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| 23:48.40 | Guillotine | Kirkburn: also using ECB though it doesn't show there |
| 23:48.46 | Guillotine | and EngInventory for bags |
| 23:48.49 | Guillotine | and a bunch of other things |
| 23:57.48 | grimman | Is there a way to dismount within the current macro system if you have multiple mounts? |
| 23:58.42 | Tem | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:59.01 | grimman | Tried that... no luck. |
| 23:59.25 | grimman | "Type '/elp' for a listing of a few commands." |
| 23:59.28 | grimman | help* |
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| 23:59.55 | Tem | it's a new command |
