| 00:00.00 | Tem | so it may not be available yet |
| 00:00.08 | grimman | Blech. |
| 00:00.13 | Tem | In fact, I don't even know if it's on beta yet |
| 00:00.23 | grimman | /userandom works though. |
| 00:00.23 | Tem | yeah, it's not |
| 00:00.33 | TonyD | try /script dismount() or smth |
| 00:01.04 | TonyD | prolly not till bugfix patch |
| 00:02.11 | grimman | dismount() doesn't exist. |
| 00:02.13 | grimman | :P |
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| 00:05.45 | TonyD | bah |
| 00:05.54 | TonyD | i wanna select my focus unit without having to target it |
| 00:06.04 | AnduinLothar | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:06.25 | AnduinLothar | was also in IsMounted before it was replaced |
| 00:07.50 | Qshadowp | hehe i just found a great quote on bash.org |
| 00:07.58 | Qshadowp | http://www.bash.org/?25464 |
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| 00:17.30 | grimman | Focus unit? |
| 00:18.12 | JoshBorke | the unit that you set to your focus? |
| 00:18.28 | grimman | ? o_o |
| 00:18.39 | JoshBorke | it's like a second target |
| 00:18.46 | grimman | That's news to me. |
| 00:19.07 | JoshBorke | yea, it's in. |
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| 00:36.39 | Scre3m | i thought someone said auctioneer was released? |
| 00:42.25 | kergoth | the alpha is usable, but certainly not release |
| 01:00.01 | Industrial | [Scout's Medallion] --> me |
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| 01:02.16 | Tem | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:03.15 | Industrial | hehehe Im owning warrior twink face |
| 01:04.03 | Industrial | Does Jantje have to smack a bitch? Apparently he does! |
| 01:04.31 | Industrial | I drop kick gnomes :-@ |
| 01:14.50 | Osagasu | I got my beta key! ^^ |
| 01:15.27 | Industrial | YAY |
| 01:15.28 | Industrial | grats |
| 01:16.15 | JoshBorke | grats |
| 01:17.01 | Nom- | :q |
| 01:17.06 | Nom- | oops lol wrong window |
| 01:22.28 | Eternally777 | Kaelten: ping :) |
| 01:22.28 | Osagasu | o.O |
| 01:22.29 | Osagasu | O.o |
| 01:22.30 | Osagasu | o.O |
| 01:22.30 | Osagasu | O.o |
| 01:22.31 | Osagasu | o.O |
| 01:22.32 | Osagasu | O.o |
| 01:32.07 | Esamynn | ~poke Osagasu |
| 01:32.12 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Osagasu, pokes Osagasu repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 01:32.12 | Qshadowp | 0_0 |
| 01:32.37 | cmunn | I believe that's a run-on. |
| 01:33.48 | cmunn | you need a coordinating conjunction after 'Osagasu,' and you probably want to change the , after 'repeatedly' to a semi-colon or a period. |
| 01:34.11 | Qshadowp | ~poke cmunn |
| 01:34.13 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind cmunn, pokes cmunn repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 01:34.31 | Qshadowp | ~poke purl |
| 01:34.34 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind purl, pokes purl repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 01:34.38 | Qshadowp | lol |
| 01:34.53 | Esamynn | ~bzfrag cmunn |
| 01:34.55 | purl | ACTION blindsides cmunn with an invisible bullet |
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| 01:35.32 | cmunn | Odd. ~poke ends with a period, but ~bzfrag does not. Otherwise, ~bzfrag would be acceptable. |
| 01:36.02 | Esamynn | ~lart cmunn |
| 01:36.35 | Esamynn | ~botsnack |
| 01:36.36 | purl | aw, gee, Esamynn |
| 01:37.06 | cmunn | I will admit. purl seems much more like a real IRC user this way. |
| 01:38.11 | Qshadowp | lol theres a bot on a windows support channel thats quite clever |
| 01:38.27 | Qshadowp | its more of a info bot, you ask it a question and it'll answer you :) |
| 01:39.48 | cmunn | spiffy |
| 01:40.06 | Qshadowp | yea :) |
| 01:40.12 | cmunn | Someday I wish to write a grammar nazi bot |
| 01:42.03 | TonyD | hmm, I never get the close arena window |
| 01:42.12 | TonyD | and gotta just stay frozen for 2 minutes |
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| 01:51.45 | KiphereCE | Hello :p |
| 01:52.35 | KiphereCE | Ahh, IRC, its like a convention for sufferers of chronic ADHD, room full of people not paying attention ;) |
| 01:52.52 | TonyD | we're paying attention |
| 01:53.03 | TonyD | we just need something to respond to |
| 01:53.18 | TonyD | we're porlly playing WoW also |
| 01:54.11 | KiphereCE | heh, I'm too frustrated to log in, it reminds me of my failure as an amateur author :p |
| 01:55.00 | KiphereCE | thought I would pop in here and see if folks normally chatter in here and how much I could absorb by listening. |
| 01:56.19 | TonyD | i've just learned the futility of trying |
| 01:56.22 | TonyD | haha |
| 01:56.33 | TonyD | silly blizz roadblocks |
| 01:59.18 | KiphereCE | I'm just trying to learn. |
| 01:59.56 | KiphereCE | I don't mind working inside their boundries. I just wanna know what I'm doing. |
| 02:04.27 | Qshadowp | im bored :( |
| 02:04.34 | Qshadowp | anyone wanna talk in binary with me? :D |
| 02:04.50 | Widgertick | 0 |
| 02:05.00 | Qshadowp | 01100010011101010111010000100000011010010110110100100000011011000110111101101110011001010110110001111001 |
| 02:05.15 | Tierrie|Work | the best way to learn is to read the code |
| 02:05.28 | Tierrie|Work | start with simple addons like telos then graduate to more complicated ones and use wowwiki as a guide |
| 02:05.35 | Tierrie|Work | then eat some cheese |
| 02:05.42 | Qshadowp | 011011110110111101101111001011000010000001100011011010000110010101100101011100110110010100101110 |
| 02:05.53 | Qshadowp | ^ ooo, cheese. |
| 02:05.53 | Widgertick | I'm not sure what you said, Qshadowp, but it vaguely resembles "I have way too much time on my hands" =O |
| 02:06.01 | Qshadowp | Widgertick lol |
| 02:06.30 | Kirkburn | Note the first paragraph on this page: http://alliwantforxmasisapsp.com/blog/default.aspx |
| 02:07.02 | Kirkburn | (background: http://www.joystiq.com/2006/12/13/sony-owns-up-to-deceptive-marketing-blog/) |
| 02:07.03 | KiphereCE | I've been tryin it, the problem is my saved variables atm. |
| 02:07.28 | KiphereCE | all the mods I read handle things a lot differently than what i'm doing or they're either too simple and wont work or too sophisticated and i cant figure it out lol |
| 02:07.47 | KiphereCE | Kirk, sony's been doing junk like that for most of this year. |
| 02:07.54 | KiphereCE | they just got too bold with the latest attempt. :p |
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| 02:12.29 | KiphereCE | so many people, so little talking. |
| 02:12.35 | KiphereCE | afk I suppose |
| 02:14.05 | Qshadowp | :D |
| 02:15.35 | KiphereCE | any smart authors out there wanna tutor me a lil on some basics? :p |
| 02:15.56 | Widgertick | What kind of basics? |
| 02:16.09 | KiphereCE | well, I just started learning lua a week ago :p |
| 02:16.21 | KiphereCE | so, basic basics heh. right now, specifically saved variables |
| 02:16.32 | seebs | Whaddya wanna know? |
| 02:16.50 | KiphereCE | well, I've got an addon set up with 120 individual buttons. |
| 02:17.00 | seebs | You name variables in the TOC. They are saved whenever the interface exits. On load, they are loaded just AFTER your OnLoad is executed. |
| 02:17.01 | KiphereCE | all movable, hidable, and scalable. |
| 02:17.19 | KiphereCE | Oh, I know how the overall thing functions, problem is how do I record the variables. |
| 02:17.32 | seebs | You don't. |
| 02:17.35 | seebs | It happens for you. |
| 02:17.40 | KiphereCE | like when I move a button how do I tell it to save that position |
| 02:17.42 | Widgertick | Just put 'em in your TOC |
| 02:17.48 | seebs | If you have specified that the variable ZOMG_LOL is to be saved, then the variable ZOMG_LOL is saved. |
| 02:17.50 | Widgertick | They only get saved when you reloadui or logout |
| 02:18.04 | seebs | If you store all your button positions in the table ZOMG_LOL, then they are magically saved for you. |
| 02:18.14 | KiphereCE | well, that means I'll need to define the variable in my lua too wont I? |
| 02:18.20 | KiphereCE | right now it just enables movement and i drag it freely |
| 02:18.31 | seebs | Yeah. |
| 02:18.51 | KiphereCE | I dont' think I ever declare its position. I've got a line in my toc for 'EasyBarSavedData' |
| 02:19.03 | KiphereCE | but I don't define anywhere in my lua to write to that cause I don't know where I should |
| 02:19.04 | seebs | The conventional thing is to define a handler for addon loaded, and if the addon loaded is yours, then you do whatever you'd do with that variable. |
| 02:19.11 | seebs | In your onload, just set it to an empty default. |
| 02:19.13 | Nom- | *sigh* |
| 02:19.43 | seebs | (Then turn off your addonloaded handler, because why keep a handler you don't need?) |
| 02:20.26 | KiphereCE | hrm. |
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| 02:20.59 | Widgertick | You need to write a function that you call after your StopMovingOrSizing for the buttons, that uses GetTop and GetLeft to record the positions |
| 02:21.07 | Widgertick | Save those positions in your variable |
| 02:21.24 | Widgertick | Then after the VARIABLES_LOADED event, use the variable to move your buttons to their old positions using SetPoint(); |
| 02:21.41 | KiphereCE | thats where I get stuck, I don't know the language well enough to figure out the syntax and I can't find a good example to build off of. |
| 02:22.23 | KiphereCE | I also think that the way I create my buttons is gonna cause a problem. |
| 02:22.34 | Widgertick | How are you creating 'em? |
| 02:23.04 | KiphereCE | collumns and rows, then staggering from there I suppose is a good way to describe it. |
| 02:23.20 | KiphereCE | basically I create a button then do collumn/row and action+1 to name them. |
| 02:23.42 | KiphereCE | then I make an overlay called Cap so I can move em without having to move the 'button' itself |
| 02:24.37 | KiphereCE | then my slash commands use "gsub(msg, "(%S+)", function(w) tinsert(argT, w) end)" so I can break out 'move' as argT[1] and the button number as argT[2] and in the case of my scale command the scale becomes argT[3] |
| 02:25.34 | KiphereCE | I was thinking the best way to record the variables would be with a slash command given my set up, but like I said.. I'm a newb. |
| 02:26.15 | Widgertick | So you're using slash commands to move the buttons? |
| 02:26.22 | KiphereCE | thought that making a /eb saveloc command that checked all the buttons EasyBarButtonX (x=action id, so 1-120) locations and saved them would be optimal for simplicity but the whoel thing is confusing me. |
| 02:26.29 | KiphereCE | the slash command shows the overlay frame |
| 02:26.51 | KiphereCE | so if I type /eb move 1, it does a Show() on my overlay "Cap" which is assigned to each button. |
| 02:27.15 | KiphereCE | the cap is movable and drags the button along with it. Some one said doing it that way kept me from jacking with the ActionButtonTemplate. |
| 02:28.01 | Widgertick | That's true |
| 02:28.17 | Tierrie|Work | work seems extra long today |
| 02:28.19 | KiphereCE | well, I should clarify, they're both movable, the button just doesnt register the ondragstart etc. |
| 02:28.20 | Tierrie|Work | DID THEY SLOW TIME DOWN |
| 02:28.41 | KiphereCE | if by 'they' you mean puppies... no. |
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| 02:29.43 | Widgertick | Well, you should be able to do the same type of positioning on the overlay |
| 02:29.56 | Widgertick | With GetTop and GetLeft and SetPoint |
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| 02:34.07 | KiphereCE | the current setpoint for my button is "btn:SetPoint("TOPLEFT", (col-1)*width, -1 * (row-1)*height)" |
| 02:35.43 | KiphereCE | the total code is under 100 lines if you want I can post it on the forums so you can see what i'm talkin about :p |
| 02:36.28 | KiphereCE | I had no idea how many ways you could go about doing the exact same thing and how many of them end up dead ending you on certain functionality. |
| 02:40.20 | Widgertick | SUre Kiphere, I'd be happy to take a look =) |
| 02:45.48 | KiphereCE | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?p=36847#post36847 |
| 02:45.50 | KiphereCE | theres the thread. |
| 02:45.52 | KiphereCE | be gentle :p |
| 02:45.54 | KiphereCE | I'm ugly. |
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| 02:48.25 | seebs | I totally need a new feature idea. |
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| 02:52.23 | SP|Sorren | gmail down? :O |
| 02:55.01 | KiphereCE | back |
| 02:55.07 | KiphereCE | some of my friends are tards |
| 02:55.14 | seebs | Heh. |
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| 02:56.35 | Nickenyfiken | string.match(trainer.type, "Trainer") or string.match(trainer.type, "Expert") <-- can this be merged into one match? |
| 02:57.05 | Tierrie|Work | Trainer|Expert ? |
| 02:58.12 | Industrial | Damn you sleep. I can do without you, for now! Stop torturing me! |
| 02:59.16 | KiphereCE | Widger, just reply in that thread if you have any input, I'll be in and outa here for the next hour before I crash. Thanks in advance :) |
| 02:59.51 | seebs | Hey, Tuller, you around? |
| 03:00.00 | Tuller | seebs: yes |
| 03:00.02 | Nickenyfiken | Tierrie|Work: hmm ok ill try |
| 03:00.23 | seebs | I found what may be a bug in Bongos 0.10. If I load a profile that has "hide keybindings" checked, it is correctly checked in the prefs, but keybindings aren't hidden. |
| 03:00.31 | seebs | Unchecking it and checking it again fixes it. |
| 03:00.35 | seebs | Your rice paper will be in the mail. |
| 03:02.41 | seebs | Nickenyfiken: Nope. Lua hasn't got anything that lets you modify whole words, only individual characters or sets. |
| 03:03.28 | Nickenyfiken | seebs: ok thanks |
| 03:03.41 | KiphereCE | Theres another issue with bongos :p |
| 03:04.06 | Tuller | KiphereCE: stances are broken again? :) |
| 03:04.07 | seebs | Yeah. Bongos SUX!!! Fix it immediately, I can't play without it. |
| 03:04.07 | KiphereCE | if you attack from stealth all hotkeys even blank ones appear and stay there till combat is over. |
| 03:04.29 | KiphereCE | all the hotkey mods are too complicated for me. |
| 03:04.38 | seebs | Actually, that reminds me. I didn't have any Prowl stances defined, and when I went into prowl, I got my nelf-form stance set, not my cat-form. |
| 03:04.43 | KiphereCE | I need basics, groupability, hide, show, lock, move, scale, and stance sets. |
| 03:04.48 | Widgertick | Hmm |
| 03:04.57 | seebs | But that was really easy to fix; I just defined Prowl to use the same stances as Cat. |
| 03:05.00 | KiphereCE | people are having issues with the new secure templates. |
| 03:05.03 | Widgertick | I'm looking at your code Kiphere, as soon as I get a break in AQ40 I'll give you some stuff to record positions |
| 03:05.14 | KiphereCE | killer, I prolly wont see it till tomorrow. |
| 03:05.30 | KiphereCE | giev me opinions too, I took soem stuff from Flexbar guy (he has different names on different forums) |
| 03:05.52 | KiphereCE | and from a couple other sources, tryin to make it clean and effecient. I don't want my code to be junky, I wanna learn it right. |
| 03:06.28 | Widgertick | Well, it looks okay so far |
| 03:06.45 | Widgertick | It's always neat to read other people's code, gives you new perspectives on solving problems =) |
| 03:08.29 | seebs | Heh. |
| 03:08.34 | seebs | AnnoyRP is full of crappy code, I'm sure. |
| 03:08.43 | seebs | I'm still rethinking some design decisions. |
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| 03:10.18 | Tuller | today was basically a update vbagnon some more day |
| 03:11.10 | cladhaire | seebs: If you're not constantly trying to make different design decisions, then you're delusional =) |
| 03:12.07 | seebs | Yah. |
| 03:12.21 | seebs | I am very rarely really HAPPY with code. |
| 03:12.41 | seebs | Especially in a language I'm sort of new in, where everything feels awkward. |
| 03:13.05 | seebs | ... Not to mention the fact that, deep down, I can never shake the feeling that "appending strings" is incredibly expensive because it involves allocation. |
| 03:13.21 | seebs | I learned back when 8MHz was fast. |
| 03:13.28 | cladhaire | hehehe |
| 03:13.33 | cladhaire | well it is very expensive. |
| 03:13.40 | kergoth | remember that lua's concat vm instruction can accept any number of registers, so a .. b .. c ..d on a single line is just one operation |
| 03:13.44 | cladhaire | concatenations are cheap.. multiple appends are expensive |
| 03:13.44 | kergoth | cladhaire, ever seen metalua? |
| 03:13.50 | cladhaire | kergoth: aye |
| 03:13.51 | KiphereCE | Better than where I am. |
| 03:13.55 | kergoth | quite nifty |
| 03:13.58 | cladhaire | that and the token filter =) |
| 03:14.07 | Widgertick | Code is like art: Abandoned, never finished |
| 03:14.10 | KiphereCE | I've never programmed at all and i'm tryin to learn Lua, XML, and how it applies to blizzards UI at the same time :p |
| 03:14.27 | kergoth | would be fun to implement some of the requested ideas from the lu a list in it. i know some have been done already |
| 03:14.33 | cladhaire | aye |
| 03:14.45 | cladhaire | askok has done most of the most frequently requested ones |
| 03:15.04 | KiphereCE | my goal is a total UI replacement for my primary characters, then I'm gonna try to write some little widget type addons for other people :p |
| 03:15.07 | seebs | Well, there are worse environments to learn in. |
| 03:15.09 | cladhaire | s/kok/ko/ |
| 03:15.28 | seebs | The thing I most want right now is a way to scroll edit boxes left. |
| 03:15.47 | seebs | My problems with that are about one quirk short of a proper saga. |
| 03:16.26 | KiphereCE | well, I'm doing the 'learning lua' thing with a mini flexbar concept, my next goal is learning how to put my own art assets on the screen then bind ui elements to them. |
| 03:16.33 | seebs | Makes sense. |
| 03:16.52 | seebs | I am mostly unimpressed with the Blizzard UI design, so far. It strikes me as gratuitous. |
| 03:16.57 | KiphereCE | its sorta... |
| 03:17.00 | KiphereCE | I dunno, lego. |
| 03:17.16 | KiphereCE | for some reason thats what i think when I see it, if Lego made a MMO their UI would look sorta like that. |
| 03:17.21 | seebs | Heh. |
| 03:17.33 | KiphereCE | I'm honestly surprised things like stripping certain art off and mobile bars isn't a default option. |
| 03:17.45 | kergoth | cladhaire, rici was talking about one of his ideas in #lua earlier for a 'let'. let local foo = {} in function blah(i) table.insert(foo, i) end -- equivalent to the constructs i use in aceoo.. local blah do local foo = {} function blah(i) table.insert(foo, i) end end |
| 03:17.56 | KiphereCE | but they took the easy way out, build some base level junk and let the players build the environment. |
| 03:17.56 | seebs | Well, as an example, if you want to know when the user clicks on text, you have to make a wrapper frame containing your text object, and listen to clicks on that. |
| 03:17.58 | kergoth | kind of a cool possibility |
| 03:17.59 | cladhaire | aye, it'd be nice |
| 03:18.16 | kergoth | reducing pollution of the locals namespace ftw |
| 03:18.27 | cladhaire | but that would just be sugar for let local foo = {} do -- code end |
| 03:18.34 | cladhaire | i.e. just do instead of in |
| 03:18.39 | cladhaire | unless its expanded more |
| 03:18.40 | KiphereCE | ok, newbquestion. I see people say 'foo' a lot. does it have some signifigance I don't know? |
| 03:18.43 | seebs | Hey, does someone here really UNDERSTAND the lua namespace? |
| 03:18.49 | cladhaire | seebs: yes. |
| 03:18.53 | seebs | Kiphere: Hacker convention. foo and bar are the generic variables. |
| 03:18.58 | seebs | Okay, here is my namespace question. |
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| 03:19.12 | KiphereCE | figured heh. afk a bit. |
| 03:19.30 | seebs | If I write "local X" in my addon (top level, outside of functions), then UI widget callbacks that try to refer to X fail, instead referring to an uninitialized global X. Apparently. Sometimes. |
| 03:19.44 | cladhaire | depends on what they're doing |
| 03:19.46 | seebs | Is there a nice predictable pattern here that's eluded me? I'd LOVE to declare all my variables local to my addon. |
| 03:19.51 | kergoth | cladhaire, yeah, itd be syntactic sugar, but itd be nice.. some, like yourself, dont seem to like that construct of local foo do end very much :) |
| 03:19.57 | cladhaire | you can't declare all your variables local to an addon |
| 03:20.05 | cladhaire | locals only persist within a given chunk (or scope) |
| 03:20.08 | seebs | Oh! |
| 03:20.09 | seebs | Doh. |
| 03:20.11 | cladhaire | you can put them in a single namespace |
| 03:20.13 | seebs | Well, that explains it all. |
| 03:20.15 | cladhaire | i.e. MyAddon.somelocal |
| 03:20.20 | seebs | ... |
| 03:20.21 | cladhaire | MyAddon.someothervariable |
| 03:20.25 | seebs | How do you make a namespace? |
| 03:20.27 | kergoth | hehe. making locals in one file and trying to use them in another? |
| 03:20.29 | cladhaire | MyAddon = {} |
| 03:20.30 | cladhaire | =) |
| 03:20.31 | seebs | Just start writing, or do I have to declare it somehow? |
| 03:20.47 | seebs | Kergoth, no, same file. Just that I was declaring things "local" at file scope. |
| 03:20.54 | seebs | <-- C programmer. |
| 03:21.03 | cladhaire | well, file scope would persist through the entire file |
| 03:21.12 | kergoth | a local at file scope is accessible as an upvalue from functions defined in that file (below that local declaration) |
| 03:21.16 | cladhaire | but it would have to be bound as an upvalue |
| 03:21.23 | seebs | ... What's an upvalue? |
| 03:21.23 | cladhaire | i suspect ou're calling something that is outside that scope |
| 03:21.40 | cladhaire | seebs: A value that is declared in the scope above the function definition, and used within |
| 03:21.46 | seebs | Ahh. |
| 03:22.00 | kergoth | should be info about that in the lua manual/pil under closures, methinks |
| 03:22.04 | cladhaire | i.e. local x=0 function foo() x = x + 1 return x end |
| 03:22.08 | cladhaire | x is an upvalue |
| 03:22.12 | cladhaire | pil is your friend =) |
| 03:22.15 | cladhaire | even better if you own a copy |
| 03:22.34 | kergoth | also, the book on the design and implementation of lua, and the lua vm internals guide are both invaluable if you really want to get down into the nitty gritty |
| 03:22.49 | kergoth | i should buy the new edition of pil, still havent |
| 03:22.56 | seebs | Well, what I originally had was, first line of AnnoyRP.lua, "local AnnoyRP_SpellName", then I'd try to refer to AnnoyRP_SpellName in functions later in the file, and it would be nil, even if I'd previously set it. |
| 03:23.04 | seebs | I may have to go get myself a copy of pil. |
| 03:23.24 | cladhaire | kergoth: Some nice updates |
| 03:23.29 | cladhaire | I like having both, one to keep at work, and one for hom |
| 03:23.34 | cladhaire | eand the ref manual wherever i need it |
| 03:23.38 | kergoth | i'd say pastey the smallest example code you've got of the problem. its difficult to say what you're doing wrong without that |
| 03:23.39 | cladhaire | not that i ever do, but ilike hardcopy things =) |
| 03:23.47 | cladhaire | seebs: What kergoth said =) |
| 03:23.48 | kergoth | i read a couple ebooks the other day |
| 03:23.51 | kergoth | god i missed paper |
| 03:23.54 | kergoth | even the smell of it |
| 03:23.55 | cladhaire | hehe |
| 03:23.59 | kergoth | theres defiantely something to be said for actual books |
| 03:25.11 | seebs | Hmm. I will see about reproducing a trivial version and see if I can make a small example. |
| 03:25.42 | cladhaire | kergoth: Post it as a lua gem |
| 03:25.45 | cladhaire | published ftw =) |
| 03:26.36 | kergoth | hehe, maybe i'll do that. need to better document it though, the way i implemented the factories can be confusing at first glance, a maze of references, all alike! |
| 03:26.37 | kergoth | :P |
| 03:27.03 | KiphereCE | another quick newb question. Since I've never programmed before would I be better off learning Lua by itself outside of the WoW interface environment or is the interface environment a good place to teach myself? |
| 03:27.16 | cladhaire | KiphereCE: Both |
| 03:27.21 | KiphereCE | I've met a decent amount of success so far. |
| 03:27.24 | KiphereCE | with help of course. |
| 03:27.26 | cladhaire | understand the fundamentals of a multi-paradigm language |
| 03:27.33 | cladhaire | and the WOW stuff comes naturally |
| 03:27.36 | KiphereCE | but I make sure before I move onto another line I udnerstand what the line I just put in means and does |
| 03:27.37 | cladhaire | its just an API =) |
| 03:27.56 | KiphereCE | my main problem right now is I don't know fundamentals. |
| 03:28.04 | cladhaire | kergoth: I've been doing a LOT of TDD in WoW recently, thats been a lot of fun |
| 03:28.08 | cladhaire | KiphereCE: Read PiL |
| 03:28.08 | kergoth | read pil and fire up an interpreter then :) |
| 03:28.14 | cladhaire | it has everything you need to know |
| 03:28.20 | kergoth | hehe, nice |
| 03:28.20 | seebs | Kiph: I think it's a pretty good environment to play around in; a little slow to manipulate, but lots of good feedback. |
| 03:28.23 | Legorol | i don't agree with you guys, PiL is not appropriate for a first time programmer |
| 03:28.33 | KiphereCE | example. I'm still tryin to figure out exactly what everything in "gsub(msg, "(%S+)", function(w) tinsert(argT, w) end)" means, I know how it works and how to use it... just don't know what all of it means and how usable elsewhere it'd be. |
| 03:28.34 | Legorol | it's very much oriented towards those who know programming paradigms but are new to Lua |
| 03:28.39 | seebs | I am a big fan of playing around in an environment where you can see what you're doing. |
| 03:28.47 | cladhaire | Legorol: I didn't get that anyone here was a first time programmer |
| 03:28.55 | Legorol | cladhaire: KiphereCE said so |
| 03:29.04 | cladhaire | Legorol: So he did =) |
| 03:29.07 | KiphereCE | the closest thing to programmign I've done is flash interfaces for web applications :p |
| 03:29.17 | Legorol | that's not too bad |
| 03:29.20 | KiphereCE | and the closest thing to english I've ever done is far, far away from that sentence. |
| 03:29.37 | Legorol | unfortunately, there are no good resources that let you learn programming (as a generic skill) by using Lua as the specific language/example |
| 03:29.41 | cladhaire | Legorol: Someone who understands how to think procedurally shouldn't have an issue with PiL |
| 03:29.52 | Legorol | cladhaire, i'm afraid i have to disagree :( |
| 03:30.03 | cladhaire | Legorol: Fair enough =) |
| 03:30.06 | KiphereCE | I don't even know what PiL is :P |
| 03:30.15 | kergoth | a book. programming in lua |
| 03:30.15 | Widgertick | Programming in Lua |
| 03:30.19 | KiphereCE | oh heh. |
| 03:30.20 | Legorol | there are several types of people and how they find it comfortable to learn programming for the first time tends to differ a lot |
| 03:30.26 | Legorol | KiphereCE: available for free online |
| 03:30.30 | KiphereCE | well, from what i understand Lua doesnt work standalone does it? |
| 03:30.32 | Legorol | http://www.lua.org/pil/ |
| 03:30.34 | cladhaire | Legorol: understood, entirely |
| 03:30.42 | Legorol | KiphereCE: it does |
| 03:30.48 | Legorol | you can download an interpreter for windows |
| 03:30.59 | KiphereCE | I mean, I'd love to be able to write programs to do various little doodads, especially if it can interface with things like FTP servers, console programs etc :p |
| 03:31.00 | Legorol | you start it, it gives you a prompt, and you can start typing in Lua statements |
| 03:31.05 | Legorol | which are immeditely executed |
| 03:31.13 | KiphereCE | I'm a network encryption design architect by day :p |
| 03:31.14 | Legorol | that is entirely possible |
| 03:31.19 | Legorol | you can write a Lua program in Notepad |
| 03:31.25 | Legorol | and run it standalone in Windows |
| 03:31.29 | KiphereCE | thats how I started actualy. |
| 03:31.35 | KiphereCE | I just recently copied my code over to Blua |
| 03:31.40 | Legorol | whether you would be able to use FTP and other network stuff depends a bit on which standalone Lua interpreter you get |
| 03:32.18 | KiphereCE | honestly, because I've never realyl coded. I don't know where I'd particularly find application for my own programs outside of WoW right nwo. |
| 03:32.33 | cladhaire | Hrm |
| 03:32.39 | KiphereCE | i've got a big design concept in my head for a sort of widget based total UI replacement. |
| 03:32.41 | cladhaire | I know there's got to be a decent programming overall tutorial |
| 03:32.41 | Legorol | KiphereCE: that's a very fair point |
| 03:32.47 | cladhaire | i.e. work through a factorial program |
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| 03:32.54 | cladhaire | other basic functions |
| 03:32.57 | Legorol | cladhaire: yeah that's the kind of thing i would love to find one day |
| 03:33.00 | seebs | I last learned to program in the early 80s, so I don't have much for advice. :) |
| 03:33.02 | cladhaire | Legorol: I knwo it exists.. |
| 03:33.03 | Legorol | there are many, using Basic, C, Java etc. |
| 03:33.09 | ckknight | hey all |
| 03:33.09 | Legorol | many that I'm fond of |
| 03:33.13 | Legorol | unfortunately non use Lua |
| 03:33.14 | KiphereCE | in the early 80's I learned to walk :P |
| 03:33.17 | cladhaire | Legorol: They don't need to |
| 03:33.25 | Legorol | yeah |
| 03:33.35 | Legorol | i sometimes suggest people start with Kid's Programming Language |
| 03:33.40 | Legorol | it has some nice tutorials and lots of examples |
| 03:33.55 | Legorol | it's a simple, modern high-level language with all the basic concepts |
| 03:34.12 | kergoth | i dove into basic, head first, one day when i was 11, didnt really learn in the usual fashion, so dont really have any advice either |
| 03:34.13 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:34.33 | Legorol | KiphereCE: some suggestions, see what works for you: |
| 03:34.39 | Tain | Everyone should use Logo |
| 03:34.42 | Widgertick | Kiphere, one thing I noticed was that the whole LUA/XML interaction thing can take a little getting used to. I just tinkered around with other people's stuff at first to get it to do what I wanted, and then it just kinda clicked |
| 03:34.46 | Legorol | 1) the famous PiL: http://www.lua.org/pil |
| 03:35.00 | KiphereCE | Well, I'm going to fiddle with the UI. |
| 03:35.05 | Legorol | this is an introductory, tutorial style book for Lua, but it assumes familiarity with programming concepts |
| 03:35.06 | KiphereCE | being able to see what i'm doing working is huge. |
| 03:35.07 | Legorol | 2) http://www.kidsprogramminglanguage.com/ |
| 03:35.30 | Legorol | this is a simple programming language specifically designed for those who are learning to program for the first time |
| 03:35.41 | seebs | I did some basic, but my real learning-to-program was C. No one told me I didn't know it, so I just used it. |
| 03:35.47 | KiphereCE | I mean, the first type I loaded up and typed /eb move 1 and my hotkey on the screen turned the faded yellow of my overlay frame and I coudl drag it I got a giddy little giggle. |
| 03:35.56 | KiphereCE | Then when I found out it was stuck to my cursor and wouldnt get off I cursed. A lot. |
| 03:36.03 | Legorol | lol |
| 03:36.17 | Legorol | it depends a lot on what you personally are comfortable with |
| 03:36.22 | Legorol | lot of people like to dive head first into things |
| 03:36.29 | Legorol | take existing code, tinker it, see what happens |
| 03:36.33 | KiphereCE | The way I learn is to get somethign working at a base level. |
| 03:36.39 | KiphereCE | then break it and change things and add things |
| 03:36.40 | Tain | So far there isn't a programming language that involves telling hookers to do it for you. |
| 03:36.44 | Legorol | i personally am never comfortable with that approach when learning a new thing, |
| 03:36.47 | Tain | But I'm holding out hope. |
| 03:36.51 | Legorol | i much prefer a guide through the elementary ingredients |
| 03:36.58 | Legorol | lol Tain |
| 03:36.59 | KiphereCE | I can rebuild engines because I took one apart and kept putting it back together untill it worked. |
| 03:37.22 | Widgertick | O_o |
| 03:37.27 | Widgertick | Hey Kiphere, I have a '92 corolla.. |
| 03:37.34 | Widgertick | ... |
| 03:37.46 | KiphereCE | heh |
| 03:37.56 | KiphereCE | where you live? you teach me programming I'll fix your car ;) |
| 03:37.58 | Tain | I'm always amazed at how little I know about cars. |
| 03:38.10 | Legorol | KiphereCE, another thing: Lua in general and Lua in WoW are two different beasts |
| 03:38.25 | KiphereCE | Tain: as soon as I realize how little I know about something I immediately make myself learn more. I have inferiority issues. |
| 03:38.26 | Legorol | Lua in WoW was really not designed to be a learning environment for first time programmers, so you might struggle a bit |
| 03:38.34 | cladhaire | meh |
| 03:38.36 | KiphereCE | I expect it legorol |
| 03:38.45 | cladhaire | to learn the language, you can use a standalone environment |
| 03:38.52 | cladhaire | like i said, from that point, its a matter of learning the API |
| 03:38.54 | KiphereCE | I have to take it the hard way first, if I go reading books and start at an elementry level I'll get bored and quit. |
| 03:38.56 | Tain | KiphereCE: When I have those impulses I drink until they are well and truly subdued. |
| 03:38.56 | Legorol | yup, and that'd be my preferred method |
| 03:39.03 | kergoth | as an existing coder, i found learning lua outside of wow, writing small tidbits of sample code to do various things, to be a better starting point than it seems many who start in wow get |
| 03:39.04 | cladhaire | learning the language in WoW would be more frustrating than anything |
| 03:39.13 | Legorol | KiphereCE: as i said, it's entirely up to your personal taste how you prefer to do it |
| 03:39.20 | KiphereCE | aye, I'm weired. |
| 03:39.21 | KiphereCE | weird~ |
| 03:39.30 | Legorol | not at all |
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| 03:39.40 | Legorol | lots of people prefer to learn by seeing immediate effects of their tinkering |
| 03:39.44 | KiphereCE | I need the hard way or I just give up / get bored. If I do it this way it makes me feel like I accomplished somethign. You figure something out hard and the easy stuff is... easy. |
| 03:40.26 | Thursdae | Hey |
| 03:40.35 | KiphereCE | the first complete mod I really wanna make is fairly simple. Just an art element with the primary and secondary weapon slots on it and surrounded by X button where x is defined by what class you are. |
| 03:40.35 | Thursdae | Anyone play MalGanis Ally? |
| 03:41.18 | KiphereCE | and I'm doing a 120 button 'thing' right now to learn the basic concepts of the buttons and various things like moving, hideing, etc. |
| 03:41.38 | kergoth | on an unrelated note, anyone have a link to their preferred Hemo rogue build handy? i havent gone that direction in some time |
| 03:41.50 | KiphereCE | lvl 60 or 70? |
| 03:41.52 | KiphereCE | :p |
| 03:42.13 | Tain | I haven't looked at any other Rogue builds much since long before the patch. |
| 03:42.17 | kergoth | 60 |
| 03:42.45 | kergoth | i'm going mutilate long term, but i'm going hemo to earn myself some daggers, as my regular wow rogue has b een combat swords for a while |
| 03:42.49 | kergoth | (earn in pvp, that is) |
| 03:43.20 | KiphereCE | btw, anyone know why frame:IsUserPlaced can't work with CreateFrame frames? =\ |
| 03:43.23 | KiphereCE | makes me sad in the pants. |
| 03:43.37 | KiphereCE | if I could make my hotkeys save to the layout-cache it'd make my life a lot easier right now. |
| 03:43.39 | ckknight | KiphereCE, because there's no good way to save position |
| 03:43.54 | KiphereCE | why not based on center? |
| 03:44.01 | ckknight | you can do all that manually and save it in your SV, though |
| 03:44.21 | KiphereCE | I know its possible, I just havnt figured it out in my current code. but I'm over my head lol |
| 03:44.39 | Legorol | ckknight: that's not the real reason |
| 03:44.44 | KiphereCE | I posted my code on the forums, Widger said he'd eyeball it for me when he's down rockin AQ40 |
| 03:44.55 | ckknight | Legorol, what's the real reason? |
| 03:44.58 | Legorol | KiphereCE: the reason why IsUserPlaced doesn't work with CreateFrame is that the WoW engine loads the saved frame positions fairly early, |
| 03:44.58 | KiphereCE | I cant imagine there being a hard way to record location, considering it records other frames location no problem. |
| 03:45.11 | Legorol | and presumably your CreateFrame happens after WoW has already tried to load the position |
| 03:45.31 | Legorol | you have to remember that frames you make with CreateFrame don't persist, they disappear when you log out |
| 03:45.37 | KiphereCE | thats kinda what I figured. The issue I'm running into is where to define my saved veriable. |
| 03:45.55 | KiphereCE | but I'm not gonna worry about it right now, I'm going to bed in like 15 minutes and if I get my brain cranked back up I wont sleep :p |
| 03:46.15 | Legorol | KiphereCE: i don't mean to be nosy or derail you, but are you sure you need CreateFrame? |
| 03:46.31 | Legorol | for a static frame that you know you will be using for sure, you are better off defining it in the XML file |
| 03:47.01 | Legorol | CreateFrame is really intended when you don't know in advance how many frames you will need, and you want to create some more when the game is already running |
| 03:47.07 | Widgertick | Well, he's creating 240 frames |
| 03:47.10 | Widgertick | That'd be a pain in XML |
| 03:47.14 | Legorol | ah ok :-) |
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| 03:49.27 | seebs | It's not that bad, really, if you use a template. |
| 03:50.38 | seebs | Hey, is there a way to specify parameters to a template? |
| 03:51.18 | Tuller | there's gotta be some magical reason why stance switching works for me properly, but not for anyone else |
| 03:51.27 | seebs | Hmm. |
| 03:51.35 | seebs | Want help debugging? |
| 03:51.55 | Tuller | my druid works perfectly :P |
| 03:51.58 | seebs | I had stances working yesterday, just downloaded .13. |
| 03:52.37 | seebs | If they stop working, I will cry you a river. |
| 03:54.04 | seebs | Well, huh. |
| 03:54.11 | seebs | My whole Bongos setup is gone! |
| 03:54.31 | Tuller | no bars at all? |
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| 03:54.43 | smoke_ | does anyone know if tomer timers can work ever again? |
| 03:54.46 | seebs | Well, all the bars. In the middle of the screen, where they started out. |
| 03:55.05 | seebs | But profiles still existed, just a particular character's settings got wiped. |
| 03:56.07 | seebs | Reloading my "general" profile and adding the stances back in, though, they seem to work, at least out of combat. |
| 03:57.36 | Rophy | is there any good way to find out if it is safe to hook a certain Blizzard function? |
| 03:57.51 | seebs | Yes, hook it, then see what happens. :) |
| 03:58.06 | Rophy | I'm using the 'summon a pet during combat' trick |
| 03:58.21 | kergoth | cant you use that issecure() function, or so? |
| 03:58.29 | kergoth | not that that tells you much of course |
| 03:58.35 | Rophy | if i hook it then it is insecure for sure. |
| 03:58.43 | kergoth | reading the blizz lua is probably the only way to be sure as tot he implications |
| 03:59.16 | Rophy | you mean search the blizzard UIs for references to the funcction I'm trying to hook? |
| 03:59.23 | Legorol | and even then it can be a pain and headache, kergoth |
| 03:59.31 | Legorol | btw, issecure() is entirely useless in AddOn code |
| 03:59.33 | Legorol | it always returns false |
| 03:59.47 | Legorol | it's really only there for the blizz ui code |
| 04:01.17 | kergoth | :( |
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| 04:04.33 | Zeryl | hi guys, i'm trying to get a macro working, and it's not working at all. Can someone try to help me? (Or does anyone know if [button:1][button:2] would work w/ bartender?) |
| 04:04.52 | smoke_ | anyone here used tomer timers? |
| 04:06.52 | Rophy | what are the common problems that people would encounter when there is a tainted blizzard UI? other than the pet bar not showing up. |
| 04:07.31 | Rophy | I want to at least try as best as I can to make sure that nothing bad would happens after I hooked a Blizzard function. |
| 04:08.58 | Tem | Rophy, that depends entirely on the function you've hooked |
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| 04:09.47 | Rophy | I hooked ChatFrame_OnEvent and the pet bar doesn't show up in combat, but I don't see ChatFrame_OnEvent has anything to do with the pet bar? |
| 04:12.22 | Corrodias | "<Legorol> btw, issecure() is entirely useless in AddOn code" -- as i recall, in one of the "2.0 preparation" threads, Slouken said that he was adding a function that addons could use for this |
| 04:12.57 | Legorol | Corrodias: i think you are mixing two things up |
| 04:13.07 | Corrodias | i think you're a baboon |
| 04:13.14 | Legorol | issecure() is a function that queries whether the current execution path is tainted or not |
| 04:13.20 | Legorol | for an AddOn, it always is |
| 04:13.22 | Corrodias | i see |
| 04:13.31 | Legorol | are you not thinking about issecurevariable()? |
| 04:13.33 | smoke_ | any of you guys ever used totemtimers? |
| 04:13.40 | seebs | Nope. |
| 04:13.59 | smoke_ | i just wanted to know if the functionality of it is completely nerfed in 2.0 |
| 04:14.05 | Legorol | issecurevariable is something that AddOns can usefully use, it tells you whether the value of a particular variable is tainted or not |
| 04:14.28 | Corrodias | so i was right. you ARE a baboon. |
| 04:14.42 | Legorol | i am indeed a baboon, but even as a baboon, i know my secure code and taints ;-) |
| 04:14.44 | Rophy | issecurevariable is good for checking if any addon hooked a certain Blizzard function, but it doesnot help when know I am going to hook that function |
| 04:15.01 | Rophy | I'm so scared to hook anything post WoW2.0 :\ |
| 04:15.04 | Corrodias | lol |
| 04:15.12 | Legorol | Rophy: then use hooksecurefunc() whenever you can |
| 04:15.27 | Rophy | I know, but for my case hooksecurefunc doesn't work. |
| 04:15.30 | Legorol | although admittedtly that's bad practice |
| 04:15.34 | Legorol | yeah |
| 04:15.50 | Legorol | unfortunately, it's a fact we will have to live with that hooking has become a trial and error thing.. |
| 04:16.00 | Legorol | unless you want to do extensive flow analysis on Blizz UI code, you just have to try and see |
| 04:16.28 | Rophy | actually I did search through the Blizzard codes for references to the function I'm hooking |
| 04:16.45 | Legorol | if only it was that simple : |
| 04:16.46 | Legorol | :( |
| 04:16.54 | Legorol | but imagine this: a function calls the functio you are tryig to hook |
| 04:16.54 | Rophy | ya I don't think it's that simple :\ |
| 04:17.00 | Legorol | then later on calls another function |
| 04:17.12 | Legorol | it's this function that's called later that'd need a secure environment |
| 04:17.24 | Legorol | there is no way for you to know that until you try, or read the blizz ui code :( |
| 04:17.34 | Rophy | I assume an execution path starts from an blizzard event, and ends when that onEvent handler ends. |
| 04:17.41 | Legorol | yup |
| 04:17.46 | Legorol | or any other OnXXX |
| 04:17.53 | Rophy | so I hope if I can trace the whole execution path to the end, then I can make sure. |
| 04:17.59 | Legorol | that's correct |
| 04:18.09 | Legorol | that's easier said than done though, in many cases |
| 04:18.23 | Legorol | it is definitely a pain |
| 04:18.33 | Rophy | at least I have to think of something to try :\ |
| 04:18.38 | Legorol | yeah |
| 04:18.57 | Legorol | heck, there was this thing in Beta where if you tried to add your custom entries to the UnitPopup menu, it would taint the "Target" entry in there |
| 04:19.15 | Legorol | i had to trace through something like 6 layer deep function calls to find out why |
| 04:19.53 | Rophy | is is that all the Blizzard lua codes can be found from the interface addon kit? |
| 04:21.17 | Tain | Best present I've seen this year. http://store.valvesoftware.com/productshowcase/productshowcase_HL2HeadCrabHat.html |
| 04:21.19 | SP|Sorren | is there a mod that turns the AH gold displays into a single number? Instead of 10g 35s 0c it'd just show 10.3500? |
| 04:23.24 | Widgertick | smoke_, I don't think TotemTimers will work at all in 2.0 |
| 04:23.27 | Garoun|Loupana | grr, the group name titles wont' go away with sraidframes no matter what I do |
| 04:23.32 | Garoun|Loupana | ping Neuro |
| 04:23.38 | Widgertick | Until somebody recodes it to use hooksecurefunction |
| 04:23.49 | Corrodias | "phyllorhodomancy: Divination by clapping rose leaves against the side of the hand and noting the sounds that they made; used for divination by ancient Greeks." |
| 04:24.32 | Nom- | lol |
| 04:24.45 | Nom- | i should really lead some docs on the WoW LUA methods |
| 04:24.58 | Nom- | I'm just looking at how one could hack up PerfectRaid, and i'm so utterly lost |
| 04:25.13 | seebs | Hey, Tuller, in Bongos .13, all my character-specific settings were wiped. They were fine yesterday. :) |
| 04:25.15 | cladhaire | Nom-: hack it up to do what? |
| 04:25.26 | Tuller | seebs: hurray :) |
| 04:25.38 | Nom- | to work in 2.0 |
| 04:25.38 | Nom- | :D |
| 04:25.39 | cladhaire | Nom-: Remove the OnClick, and it should mostly work =) |
| 04:25.39 | seebs | Oh, hang on. There's something interesting. |
| 04:25.50 | seebs | Necrosis got moved back to the center of the screen too... |
| 04:25.59 | seebs | I wonder if something wiped out a whole lot of saved frame locations. |
| 04:26.46 | Nom- | coolies |
| 04:26.59 | Nom- | so then that needs to be replaced with code to use secure frames to make the rest work? |
| 04:27.09 | Nom- | so you can target for example |
| 04:27.46 | Nom- | and does it update in combat? or is that secure stuff too :/ |
| 04:28.03 | seebs | Huh. Well, relogging a character doesn't lose settings, so something must have toasted them in the update, but the new version works and the old version works. |
| 04:28.10 | seebs | Luckily, the profiles survived, so all is well. |
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| 04:45.55 | Eternally777 | What's the biggest advantage of having frames written in Lua rather than XML? |
| 04:45.56 | Eternally777 | Any? |
| 04:46.07 | Kirov | less memory usage on load |
| 04:46.26 | Kirov | frames only take up memory the first time they're created (which is usually when they're first seen) |
| 04:46.43 | Kirov | ie: if someone never looks at it, it never uses memory. |
| 04:46.46 | ckknight | yea, that's the biggest advantage. |
| 04:48.36 | seebs | I'd assume that the reduced namespace pollution would eventually matter some. |
| 04:49.21 | Corrodias | that, too |
| 04:50.30 | SP|Sorren | anyone here use swstats? |
| 04:50.34 | seebs | I mean, if you made a large enough number of frames in XML, eventually the impact on variable name lookup would be noticeable. |
| 04:50.36 | seebs | Eventually. |
| 04:51.18 | SP|Sorren | oooh those are murlocks that warlock kills in the tbc trailer |
| 04:53.53 | Kirkburn | They are? |
| 04:53.59 | SP|Sorren | yah |
| 04:54.00 | Kirkburn | Is the hi-res version out yet? |
| 04:54.02 | SP|Sorren | i just saw it on tv |
| 04:54.13 | Kirkburn | SpikeTV 'repeat', no? |
| 04:54.29 | SP|Sorren | you could hear the murlocks in the tv version |
| 04:54.34 | Kirkburn | ooh |
| 04:54.53 | SP|Sorren | http://www.spiketv.com/events/vga2006/simulcast.html |
| 04:54.59 | Thardal | aeing murlocs seems like a really dumb idea |
| 04:57.25 | SP|Sorren | meh ;p |
| 04:57.31 | Nom- | hardly |
| 04:58.07 | Nom- | omg yay |
| 04:58.12 | Nom- | new intro movie in decent quality |
| 04:59.21 | Thardal | "you are not prepared" |
| 04:59.28 | Thardal | well, illidan isnt either |
| 05:00.29 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 05:00.36 | Kirkburn | Impressive :D |
| 05:00.58 | Kirkburn | I think the sound on the vid was really missing 'depth' though :( |
| 05:01.11 | bleetah | need murloc death in full surround |
| 05:01.25 | Tain | You minus well just kill all the murlocs |
| 05:01.48 | Nom- | so fukn sweet |
| 05:03.01 | bleetah | 'n tbh, not that impressive. LotR trailers > BC trailer. Nice rendering and all, but.. meh. LotR trailers still grab me by my balls and shake me |
| 05:04.04 | bleetah | mind you, many 2001 effects > digital, i'm just a picky so-and-so :P |
| 05:05.09 | Nom- | polymorph is the coolest thing out of the whole movie :D |
| 05:05.18 | Nom- | :D |
| 05:05.32 | bleetah | heh, tru |
| 05:05.55 | bleetah | murlocs close 2nd |
| 05:09.28 | Nom- | and close to the end is that supposed to be an AE or something else? |
| 05:09.33 | Nom- | I wasn't quite sure |
| 05:09.58 | Nom- | I love the orc with the be on backup as the rezzer |
| 05:10.03 | Nom- | that bit was pretty damn good too |
| 05:10.10 | Nom- | In fact...I just love the whole thing lol |
| 05:10.23 | Nom- | One thing blizzard knows how to do, it's tease us |
| 05:15.06 | Thunder_Child | ~slay Thunder_Child |
| 05:15.10 | purl | ACTION brandishes Excalibur! "With this sword, I vanquish thee, Thunder_Child!" apt lops off Thunder_Child's head. |
| 05:15.18 | Thunder_Child | ...apt? |
| 05:15.29 | Thunder_Child | damit purl l2spell |
| 05:16.00 | Tierrie | hey does bartender3 have skin support yet? |
| 05:17.34 | Nom- | does bartender3 have proper paging support yet? *cry* |
| 05:18.41 | Thunder_Child | does bartender 3 have GB support yet? |
| 05:18.49 | Thunder_Child | Answer: ofc not |
| 05:20.10 | Tierrie | bartender has pages now |
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| 05:21.15 | Nom- | Tierrie: It's that stupid hotkey for specific pages tho |
| 05:21.15 | Nom- | It doesn't work properly ... shift-2 does nothing :( |
| 05:21.24 | Nom- | and i have it set up so i have one bar for fire, one for frost and one for aoe |
| 05:21.35 | Nom- | i switch them using shift-1, shift-2, shift-3 normally |
| 05:21.41 | Tierrie | does trinity do paging? |
| 05:21.49 | Nom- | i tried setting up a hotkey to swtich to my AoE bar, but none of the buttons work...very annoying |
| 05:21.51 | Tierrie | there's trinity, bartender3 and what was the third popular actionbar replacement? |
| 05:22.05 | Cairenn|afk | bongos |
| 05:23.35 | seebs | I'm liking Bongos pretty well so far. It obeys me. |
| 05:24.22 | Nom- | well i don't do any crazy seperation of bars |
| 05:24.38 | Nom- | i have 3 bars stacked on top of eachother with the pet bar above that |
| 05:24.45 | Gngsk | like /cast [unitcreaturetype=undead] Shackle Undead; [unitcreaturetype=humanoid] Mind Soothe |
| 05:24.49 | Gngsk | er! |
| 05:24.55 | Tierrie | hows bongos |
| 05:25.01 | Gngsk | is it possible to check for unit creature type in a macro? |
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| 05:29.08 | seebs | I don't think so. |
| 05:29.11 | Tierrie | does bongos work with cycircled? |
| 05:29.18 | seebs | Dunno. |
| 05:52.31 | seebs | Is there any way to refer to captures outside the expression using string.find/match? |
| 05:52.52 | seebs | I want to do something like if (string.find(string, pattern)) then do_something_with_captures() end |
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| 05:53.43 | SP|Sorren | _,_, capture = string.find(string, pattern)? |
| 05:54.18 | seebs | Hmm. Yeah, but then I can't put it in an if. Hmm. |
| 05:54.24 | seebs | Well, I guess I could... Eww. |
| 05:55.06 | ckknight | seebs, well, you could do: |
| 05:55.29 | seebs | if (#(x = { string.match() }) ~= 0) ... |
| 05:55.32 | ckknight | do_something_with_captures(str:match(pattern)), and then make the do_something_with_captures function return if no args are given |
| 05:55.37 | ckknight | oh, no, seebs |
| 05:55.39 | ckknight | that is bad. |
| 05:55.48 | ckknight | you make a table arbitarily |
| 05:55.51 | seebs | Except that do_something_with_captures isn't actually another function, just some logic. |
| 05:55.54 | ckknight | also, you can't set a variable in an if statement |
| 05:55.58 | seebs | Oh. |
| 05:56.17 | seebs | Making tables = bad. Hmm. I should find ways to cut down on it. |
| 05:56.34 | ckknight | yes, making tables = bad, typically |
| 05:56.45 | SP|Sorren | i make many tables :( |
| 05:56.59 | ckknight | basically, local a,b,c = str:match(pattern); if a then dostuff() end |
| 05:57.30 | Thunder_Child | it's just like making children, it's fun while you do it, but can lead to complications later |
| 05:57.33 | seebs | Ahh. |
| 05:57.37 | seebs | Okay, so for instance: |
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| 05:57.57 | seebs | local attacker, damage = string.match(arg1, "(.+) ..?its you for (%d+)"); |
| 05:58.00 | ckknight | and can be quite expensive, Thunder_Child |
| 05:58.06 | Thunder_Child | indeed |
| 05:58.17 | seebs | Okay. I have another place where I was making a table that I could replace. |
| 05:58.46 | seebs | Am I right to guess that "a, b = string.match("aaaaa", "(.)(.)(.)(.)(.)");" will harmlessly discard the extra three values? |
| 05:58.55 | ckknight | yes |
| 05:59.03 | ckknight | you can do a,b,c,d,e if you want |
| 05:59.30 | Nom- | lern2array :D |
| 05:59.47 | ckknight | Nom-, ? |
| 06:00.10 | SP|Sorren | seebs if you dont need them, why capture them? |
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| 06:04.42 | smoke_ | hey guys |
| 06:05.12 | smoke_ | how possible would it be to add a function into GotWood that when you click the totem it redrops the totem? |
| 06:07.53 | Nom- | lol GotWood |
| 06:08.05 | smoke_ | heh |
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| 06:08.55 | Nom- | Anywho...i don't know that you can any more with the changes to the secure functions and stuff |
| 06:08.56 | Cairenn|afk | good 'ol Tekkub, always with the somewhat risque names |
| 06:09.18 | Nom- | perhaps see if the macro system allows you to check for an aura? |
| 06:09.38 | seebs | SP: The user provides the pattern. I wanted to make sure it wouldn't screw me if I only looked for two captures in a pattern that might provide more. |
| 06:09.51 | SP|Sorren | ah |
| 06:09.51 | ckknight | smoke_, better to ask #wowace |
| 06:10.18 | ckknight | ~fubar |
| 06:10.19 | purl | fubar is f*cked up beyond any recognition, e.g. "This whole operation is fubar, soldier" (gay lisp included) |
| 06:10.21 | ckknight | Cairenn|afk, ^--- |
| 06:10.28 | ckknight | :-P |
| 06:10.31 | ckknight | you gave me that one |
| 06:10.38 | seebs | This is part of a fixup that will allow people to match "Player Hit" against ">500". |
| 06:10.45 | Nom- | Doesn't look like there's an aura options for macro |
| 06:10.46 | Nom- | bummer |
| 06:10.49 | Cairenn|afk | that I did |
| 06:11.46 | smoke_ | k |
| 06:12.09 | Thunder_Child | to be honest thats really "all recognition" not any |
| 06:12.44 | Cairenn|afk | or repair or recovery, pick one |
| 06:13.02 | Thunder_Child | "Depending on situation or habit, "all recognition" can be replaced with "any repair", "any redemption", "all reality", "all repair", "all recovery", or "all reason". " |
| 06:15.00 | Thunder_Child | hey ckknight, go put in a link for fubar on the wiki page...the entrie is there but the link goes nowhere http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fubar |
| 06:15.11 | ckknight | you put it up |
| 06:15.13 | ckknight | I'm busy |
| 06:15.17 | Thunder_Child | i'm lazy |
| 06:16.44 | Nom- | Anyone know of conentration aura is multiplicative or additive? |
| 06:17.02 | Nom- | ie. Does a holy paladin with concentration aura never get spell time increase |
| 06:18.13 | Kirkburn | Lol, you've slipped Fubar onto wikipedia? Don't expect a FuBar article to last long |
| 06:19.06 | SP|Sorren | why'd you name your mod fubar ckknight ;p |
| 06:19.07 | Nom- | There's already one in there I think |
| 06:19.16 | Kirkburn | SP|Sorren, oooh, that takes me back ... |
| 06:19.18 | Nom- | F***** up beyond all recognition |
| 06:19.32 | Kirkburn | (No, I mean a fubar addon page) |
| 06:19.36 | ckknight | SP|Sorren, FuBar told me to |
| 06:19.37 | ckknight | err |
| 06:19.39 | ckknight | Cairenn |
| 06:19.45 | SP|Sorren | ic |
| 06:19.54 | Nom- | hmph |
| 06:19.56 | Kirkburn | I thought it was a group effort :( |
| 06:19.56 | Cairenn|afk | because it was amusing |
| 06:20.16 | Cairenn|afk | he asked for suggestions, on wowi, that was the one that got the most votes |
| 06:20.39 | SP|Sorren | i see ;p |
| 06:20.43 | Kirkburn | I remember Boss Panel ... |
| 06:21.18 | Nom- | thehe |
| 06:21.31 | Nom- | FUBAR is just a FUBAR name for a mod :P |
| 06:21.36 | Nom- | It is rather nifty tho |
| 06:21.47 | Nom- | <3 FuBar |
| 06:21.54 | ckknight | Kirkburn, hehe, me too ;-) |
| 06:22.07 | Cairenn|afk | people remember the name ... |
| 06:22.16 | Cairenn|afk | that's just smart "business" too |
| 06:22.23 | Kirkburn | indeedy |
| 06:22.34 | ckknight | basically, BossPanel was a bad name since Boss wasn't available on IRC, thus I changed my name officially to ckknight, and there were complications with BossMods vs. BossPanel |
| 06:22.42 | ckknight | so FuBar was the new name |
| 06:22.46 | ckknight | I'm quite satisfied with it. |
| 06:25.22 | Kirkburn | It was a good choice |
| 06:25.58 | Kirkburn | I remember the slight confusion when it was renamed, but it didn't take long to sort out |
| 06:27.47 | Nom- | I used TitanPanel for a while |
| 06:27.59 | Nom- | Then discovered FuBar and the goodness of the mod support for it |
| 06:28.01 | Nom- | Never looked back |
| 06:29.22 | ckknight | one nice thing about FuBar is that I exist and am active. |
| 06:29.41 | Nom- | You could be an AI |
| 06:29.44 | ckknight | and there's only 1 official version of FuBar ;-) |
| 06:29.49 | Nom- | o_O |
| 06:30.33 | seebs | Yay! Many fewer tables created now, and I've added ${attacker} and ${damage} expansions, as well as letting you put ">500" to match hits for >500 points. |
| 06:33.04 | Nom- | What is it you're doing, seebs? |
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| 06:43.07 | Nom- | Has to be initiated by the user at least |
| 06:46.59 | seebs | Oh. |
| 06:47.16 | seebs | The purpose of my addon is roleplay enchancement. You can have your character stay in character even while you're clicking madly. |
| 06:47.38 | seebs | Thus, { Player Hit, ">500" } => "/e makes a noise like a squeak toy." |
| 06:48.56 | sancus_ | does it steal passwords from roleplayers? |
| 06:49.28 | seebs | Heh. No. |
| 06:50.05 | sancus_ | not very good then :( |
| 06:51.01 | seebs | But I *like* roleplayers. |
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| 06:54.28 | seebs | Huh. |
| 06:54.44 | seebs | For what it's worth, if I put /reloadui in a chatter list for "Enchanting", clicking my Enchanting button reloads my UI. |
| 06:54.52 | seebs | So "WhisperRLC" is an AddOn that could be written. |
| 06:56.10 | seebs | What I ought to do is write it, and then get all the UI devs to download it repeatedly so it gets flagged as "popular" so people will try it. |
| 06:59.20 | ckknight | meh, I tell people to vote my mods up, and it seems to work |
| 06:59.24 | ckknight | btw, vote up Cartographer |
| 06:59.31 | seebs | What's it do? |
| 06:59.42 | ckknight | Map mod |
| 06:59.47 | ckknight | on steroids |
| 06:59.54 | ckknight | mmm... nah, let's go with amphetamines |
| 06:59.58 | ckknight | cause it's still pretty light. |
| 07:00.31 | ckknight | got all sorts of shiny features |
| 07:05.29 | Nom- | Isn't that the external app which reads in the maps |
| 07:05.29 | Nom- | ? |
| 07:05.47 | Corrodias | catrographer combines the features of several addons, doing them better in some cases |
| 07:06.33 | Corrodias | i plan to give it a try once i resume playing WoW |
| 07:06.41 | Nom- | resume??? |
| 07:06.49 | Nom- | play now! |
| 07:07.27 | Corrodias | can't |
| 07:07.29 | ckknight | the main points of Cartographer is that it's modular, efficient, and well-documented |
| 07:08.00 | Corrodias | i don't have the time for a few days yet. in addition, once i do resume working on WoW, it's to update my addons, which i only got partway through and several didn't have updated versions available at the time |
| 07:09.09 | seebs | Heh. |
| 07:09.13 | seebs | Yeah, I know the feeling. |
| 07:09.34 | ckknight | yea, I don't play WoW |
| 07:09.36 | ckknight | I just code |
| 07:09.55 | seebs | I actually played for about an hour the other day. |
| 07:10.10 | seebs | I've been online probably 30 hours or so working on AnnoyRP, but I did do SOME fighting. |
| 07:11.07 | Nom- | I've got 3 weeks after COB tomorrow |
| 07:11.11 | Nom- | I'll be playing heaps :D |
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| 07:51.48 | Osagasu | What's the site that hosts the mirrors for all the patches? I'm having to pull a workaround to install BC. >.< |
| 07:54.41 | Kaso | check wowwiki.com/Patch_Mirrors |
| 07:55.26 | Osagasu | patching from a fresh install to 1.12 would be 1.x >1.12, right? |
| 07:55.38 | Kaso | hmm |
| 07:55.50 | Kaso | dont they have a 1.x > 2.0.1 up ? |
| 07:56.41 | Osagasu | I need the 1.12 patch. |
| 07:56.53 | Osagasu | They chaged directory structure in 2.0.1 |
| 07:56.56 | Osagasu | **changed |
| 07:57.01 | Osagasu | so I can't install the beta |
| 08:01.01 | Tierrie | whats a good quest log mod? |
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| 08:01.15 | Osagasu | monkeyquest and monkeyquestlog. :P |
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| 08:06.23 | Elkano | QuestFu |
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| 08:10.11 | Tierrie | or i should ask, how can I reanchor the usual quest logs anywhere |
| 08:11.31 | seebs | There's a couple of movable-frame mods out there. |
| 08:11.49 | Tierrie | i think i can just modify the layout file |
| 08:12.07 | seebs | Hey, stupid WoW question: If I "/cry", it defaults to "/cry <target>". Is there a way to do a /cry that DOESN'T use my current target? |
| 08:12.26 | ckknight | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:12.27 | ckknight | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:12.31 | ckknight | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:12.33 | seebs | Hmm. |
| 08:12.40 | ckknight | afaik |
| 08:12.58 | seebs | I wonder whether "/cry none" works. |
| 08:13.14 | seebs | I know that I tried things like "/cry me" or "/cry self", and they seemed to work unless a player with a similar name was nearby. |
| 08:13.39 | ckknight | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:13.44 | ckknight | also possible |
| 08:15.21 | seebs | I'll test them out. |
| 08:16.09 | seebs | Well, I can't tell. They all work when there's no one around, but I don't have a player named None nearby. |
| 08:21.28 | ckknight | I'd say /cry player |
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| 08:22.34 | seebs | Well, there goes another day without actually getting to play much. |
| 08:22.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | hrm, is there a working version of portraitdamage out? :o |
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| 08:24.39 | Elkano | /cry emo |
| 08:25.28 | Inside | c_c |
| 08:27.34 | sylvanaar | you might be able to do /script DoEmote(CRY, nil) |
| 08:27.54 | TC_sleeping | thats /script DoEmo(CRY, nil) |
| 08:27.59 | Kaso | emote token are strings |
| 08:28.22 | sylvanaar | thats cute |
| 08:28.34 | TC_sleeping | i try |
| 08:30.00 | sylvanaar | you might be able to do /script DoEmote("CRY, nil) |
| 08:30.07 | sylvanaar | you might be able to do /script DoEmote("CRY", nil) |
| 08:30.09 | sylvanaar | there |
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| 08:33.09 | Tem | I see what you did there |
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| 08:38.23 | sylvanaar | where |
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| 09:51.45 | seebs | Tuller, if you happen to be around: I can reproduce "stances not working" on a warrior, but not on a druid. |
| 09:55.56 | zenzio | hrm, for some reason the LFG window refuses to list my elite quests today |
| 09:56.26 | MoonWolf | no elite killing for you! |
| 10:06.18 | seebs | Well, what class do you play? Maybe it thinks you should solo them. |
| 10:10.41 | zenzio | priest |
| 10:10.48 | zenzio | but it listed them yesterday :-| |
| 10:10.56 | zenzio | maybe I became too uber overnight :-o |
| 10:11.01 | Kaso | beta? or live? |
| 10:11.52 | zenzio | live |
| 10:12.04 | Kaso | it is a mystery |
| 10:12.24 | Kirkburn | Kaso, no NPCs on beta, isn't it fun =) |
| 10:12.42 | Kaso | again? |
| 10:12.50 | Kirkburn | Since about 4am :/ |
| 10:12.52 | Kaso | crying out loud it was only fixed like 10hrs ago |
| 10:13.05 | Kirkburn | At one point I was one of only 6 alliance people online |
| 10:13.17 | zenzio | odd... works now |
| 10:13.32 | Kaso | no mobs in instances either, never seen that before |
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| 10:15.49 | zenzio | they're showing you the new easy mode instances |
| 10:19.27 | Kirkburn | Kaso, the entire thing went tits up I think |
| 10:19.36 | Kirkburn | One point I couldn't even access the website |
| 10:20.42 | Kaso | anyone know how much aggro Faerie Fire causes? |
| 10:23.33 | seebs | No clue. |
| 10:27.14 | Kaso | 108 it seem |
| 10:34.15 | AnduinLothar | anyone wanna text DM 5.5? |
| 10:34.43 | Neuro_Medivh | anyone know of a decent (free) .tga viewer? |
| 10:35.02 | Kaso | irfanview |
| 10:35.07 | MoonWolf | irfanview |
| 10:35.16 | MoonWolf | hah, i win! |
| 10:36.24 | Mery | on my screen kaso won :s |
| 10:36.41 | Kaso | by 5 seconds! |
| 10:36.55 | Mery | well i don't see seconds :) |
| 10:38.23 | Tem | I see a victory by 5 seconds as well |
| 10:39.46 | MoonWolf | i wont by 3 seconds on my screen. |
| 10:39.49 | MoonWolf | won* |
| 10:39.59 | AnduinLothar | lag4ju |
| 10:40.06 | MoonWolf | :( |
| 10:41.15 | zenzio | personally I use XnView |
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| 10:43.33 | Neuro_Medivh | can't figure out why this one texture has little lines running through it when the others don't |
| 10:44.42 | Neuro_Medivh | oh well, figure it out tomorrow I guess. |
| 10:45.32 | Tem | is the teture named "striped?" |
| 10:45.38 | Tem | because that is supposed to have lines in it... |
| 11:21.28 | Kaso | woah |
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| 11:21.41 | Kaso | since when has firefox Search box had a calculator build it? |
| 11:22.59 | SP|Sorren | it DOES? |
| 11:23.01 | SP|Sorren | brb |
| 11:23.27 | SP|Sorren | mine does not ;p |
| 11:23.51 | Kaso | type in like (45 + 87)/5 |
| 11:24.04 | Kaso | and it comes =26.4 |
| 11:24.31 | SP|Sorren | nah, mine just pops to google |
| 11:24.37 | SP|Sorren | which does give me the answer though |
| 11:26.14 | Kaso | no |
| 11:26.26 | Kaso | i mean if the little drop down |
| 11:26.29 | Kaso | dont press enter |
| 11:27.17 | Kaso | hmm |
| 11:27.27 | Kaso | only when its set to google though |
| 11:27.45 | Kaso | ah yah google does that thing where it returns common searches |
| 11:27.56 | Kaso | so i guess its returniing the anwser! |
| 11:28.11 | SP|Sorren | ahh |
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| 11:43.10 | AnduinLothar | :D Ancient Hakkari Manslayer's proc gets 100% + spell damage |
| 11:43.47 | AnduinLothar | and procs on rightiousness |
| 11:44.40 | AnduinLothar | so, with my lifesteal enchant i've gotten 2 Life Steals (30 each) and a Drain Life (330, 275 spell damage gear) in 1 swing |
| 11:46.01 | zenzio | nerf |
| 11:46.09 | Kaso | http://kasoo.net/img/imgs/WoWScrnShot_092206_165746.jpg 512 Life Drain proc of a weapon that procs for 40 health :> |
| 11:46.40 | AnduinLothar | yeah lol manslayer is 48-54 |
| 11:48.04 | Kaso | The 6 Demon bag scales 100% with damage also |
| 11:48.15 | Kaso | on my lvl 70 it hits for nearly 1k |
| 11:48.16 | AnduinLothar | i wanna see it proc with my 650 healing gear on |
| 11:48.36 | Kaso | I believe procs like that scale via damage done not healing done |
| 11:48.45 | AnduinLothar | aww |
| 11:50.15 | AnduinLothar | <3 1.14 att spd |
| 11:50.43 | AnduinLothar | Crusader + Scrolls of Blinding Light |
| 11:50.55 | AnduinLothar | on a 2.0 speed 1h |
| 11:51.52 | Kaso | ive gotten 0.959 sec casting speed on my Greater Heal once |
| 11:52.11 | AnduinLothar | lol |
| 11:52.35 | Kaso | well on the beta realm |
| 11:53.01 | Kaso | Shaman Bloodlust, ZG trinket and this trinket that procs spell haste from CoT |
| 11:54.08 | Kaso | not bloodlust |
| 11:54.10 | Kaso | blood fury |
| 11:54.12 | Kaso | something like that |
| 11:54.22 | Kaso | berserking maybe |
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| 12:02.34 | Kaso | why aint ./castsequence [stance:1] Charge; Defensive Stance; [stance:2] Taunt working ? |
| 12:04.26 | AnduinLothar | lol 1 hit: |
| 12:04.28 | AnduinLothar | You crit Desert Rumbler for 351. |
| 12:04.29 | AnduinLothar | Your Seal of Righteousness hits Desert Rumbler for 118 Holy damage. |
| 12:04.29 | AnduinLothar | Your Life Steal hits Desert Rumbler for 30 Shadow damage. |
| 12:04.29 | AnduinLothar | Your Drain Life hits Desert Rumbler for 331 Shadow damage. |
| 12:04.29 | AnduinLothar | Your Life Steal heals you for 30. |
| 12:04.30 | AnduinLothar | Your Drain Life heals you for 331. |
| 12:05.13 | zenzio | nerf DPSadins :-o |
| 12:05.23 | AnduinLothar | 1h |
| 12:05.47 | AnduinLothar | not to mention the 900 holy shock crit and 600 rightiousness judge i followed it up with |
| 12:06.56 | AnduinLothar | i love grinding with this weapon. i haven't healed myself in over an hour |
| 12:07.14 | AnduinLothar | and i've only drunk once |
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| 12:12.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | <Kaso> why aint ./castsequence [stance:1] Charge; Defensive Stance; [stance:2] Taunt working ? |
| 12:12.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | what are you trying to do? |
| 12:13.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | cause the ; stops the castsequence as far as i know |
| 12:13.54 | Kaso | what are you meant to use to seperate commas? |
| 12:14.13 | Kaso | ah yes |
| 12:14.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | are you trying to make it charge if you're in stance 1, then cast defensive stance? |
| 12:14.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | and while in defensive cast taunt? |
| 12:14.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | /castsequence [stance:1] Charge, Defensive Stance |
| 12:14.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | /castsequence [stance:2] Taunt |
| 12:14.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | er |
| 12:14.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | /cast [stance:2] Taunt |
| 12:15.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | for the 2nd line |
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| 12:15.24 | Kaso | why does it need to be in two lines? |
| 12:15.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | you might be able to do ; cast but i dunno |
| 12:15.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | lemme see |
| 12:19.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah just replace the first ; with a , |
| 12:19.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | and it'll work fine |
| 12:19.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | Tested it doing Faerie fire, bear, and while in bear do feral charge |
| 12:20.41 | cladhaire | Stance; [nocombat,notstance:1] Battle Stance; [combat,stance:3] |
| 12:20.42 | cladhaire | Intercept |
| 12:20.42 | cladhaire | imo |
| 12:20.44 | cladhaire | err |
| 12:20.46 | cladhaire | wtfzor |
| 12:20.51 | cladhaire | here: /cast [nocombat,stance:1] Charge; [combat,nostance:3] Berserker |
| 12:20.51 | cladhaire | Stance; [nocombat,notstance:1] Battle Stance; [combat,stance:3] |
| 12:20.51 | cladhaire | Intercept |
| 12:21.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | sorry this macro owns all of you |
| 12:21.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | /castsequence [nostealth] Faerie Fire (Feral)(Rank 4), Mangle (Cat)(Rank 2), Mangle (Cat)(Rank 2), Mangle (Cat)(Rank 2), Mangle (Cat)(Rank 2) |
| 12:22.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | /cast [nostealth] Pounce |
| 12:22.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | er |
| 12:22.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | /cast [stealth] Pounce |
| 12:22.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | manual copypasting isn't very accurate |
| 12:23.38 | cladhaire | sorry |
| 12:23.41 | cladhaire | schizo mage is better |
| 12:24.12 | cladhaire | do: /castrandom [nochanneling] Fireball, Frostbolt, Fire Blast, Arcane Missiles, Arcane Explosion |
| 12:25.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | /castrandom [target=mouseover] Cure Poison, Remove Curse is pretty nice too |
| 12:25.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | just hover over the raid frame and slap mouse5 like a madman |
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| 12:25.55 | MoonWolf | click casting like a madman ? |
| 12:25.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | _ALMOST_ decursive |
| 12:26.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | can you select targets with the new decursive? |
| 12:26.18 | MoonWolf | you should try clique |
| 12:26.28 | MoonWolf | thats what its there for. |
| 12:26.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | if so i bet you could just hover over the top part of the decursive frame and hum the button |
| 12:26.57 | Kirkburn | How does /castrandom work? |
| 12:27.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | it casts a spell randomly |
| 12:27.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | :P |
| 12:27.08 | cladhaire | Kirkburn: just uses math.random() =) |
| 12:27.14 | Kirkburn | mmkay |
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| 12:27.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | Dispels don't go through if there's nothing to dispel |
| 12:27.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | those combined = win |
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| 12:32.09 | cladhaire | Mr_Rabies: Meh, thats just lazy |
| 12:32.14 | cladhaire | and not effective |
| 12:32.25 | cladhaire | bind your three spells to different combinations, and cast the right one |
| 12:32.26 | cladhaire | *shrug* |
| 12:32.30 | cladhaire | gotta run to work |
| 12:32.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't see how it's not effective O_o |
| 12:32.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | worked fine in zg |
| 12:33.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | just hum the button while moving the mouse over the raid screen where debuffs are |
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| 12:34.08 | Kirkburn | Bleh, I've got 1 1/2 hours until my next lecture, so gonna fall asleep :) I'm off to read some Cycle of Hatred and buy me an espresso |
| 12:35.02 | Kirkburn | See ya'll later |
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| 12:53.50 | KiphereCE | Hi. |
| 12:54.35 | KiphereCE | I have on pants. ^_^ bai |
| 12:57.13 | Industrial | hm |
| 12:57.21 | Industrial | OneBag has MrPlow built in? |
| 12:57.31 | MoonWolf | no |
| 12:57.42 | MoonWolf | when it detect mrplow it gives a menu option to use it. |
| 13:00.13 | Industrial | right |
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| 13:03.14 | Bouvi | Morning all |
| 13:03.23 | Industrial | lo |
| 13:03.45 | Bouvi | Can I go back to bed now GAH!!! |
| 13:04.33 | MoonWolf | fine by me. |
| 13:04.58 | Bouvi | At work already they might frown on it |
| 13:08.45 | Josh_Borke | morning |
| 13:09.00 | Bouvi | Morning. |
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| 13:17.38 | Bouvi | I guess B:Lua never came to be? What editors is everyone here using? |
| 13:21.04 | Kaso | SciTE is popular |
| 13:21.12 | Kaso | theres a version on wowi that has wowAPI built in |
| 13:21.48 | Bouvi | Will have to get it for home I added it to my favs but a work I am stuck on a Mac |
| 13:22.25 | Kaso | i think SciTE has a mac version, just maybe not wowAPI'd lemme check |
| 13:22.38 | Bouvi | Thanks |
| 13:23.28 | Kaso | just a linux x86 version :< |
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| 13:24.13 | Bouvi | Oh well. I will just have to wait till I get a Mac Pro upgrade and run windows here lol. I just have nothing to do (close to X-Mas work slows WAY down) |
| 13:24.16 | Qshadowp | Kaso use wine? |
| 13:25.11 | Kaso | you could do if you wanted to. |
| 13:27.12 | Bouvi | What is wine? |
| 13:27.45 | Qshadowp | Bouvi windows emulator for linux |
| 13:27.53 | Kaso | Wine is not an emulator! |
| 13:27.54 | Bouvi | Ahhh ok thanks |
| 13:28.08 | Hatsuki | is there some sorta /userandom like /castrandom |
| 13:28.24 | Kaso | cast slashes take item names |
| 13:28.25 | Qshadowp | ~poke Kaso |
| 13:28.45 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Kaso, pokes Kaso repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 13:28.45 | Hatsuki | would be nice to have macro to mount random mount everytime=) |
| 13:28.59 | Kaso | purl: you're a little slow today |
| 13:29.08 | Qshadowp | lol |
| 13:29.12 | Qshadowp | purl is allways slow :( |
| 13:29.16 | Kaso | 20 seconds just to think up that insult! terriblew |
| 13:29.28 | Qshadowp | Hatsuki i know that random mounts where possible before the patch |
| 13:29.47 | Qshadowp | i think they are not now, because blizzard wanted to kill automatic spell selection |
| 13:29.59 | Qshadowp | but im not sure on that ;P |
| 13:31.05 | Kaso | Qshadowp you can still do it.. |
| 13:31.06 | Qshadowp | see, i fail. |
| 13:31.06 | Kaso | you cant quite do it in a macro yet but you could in a script |
| 13:31.58 | Kaso | but in 2.0.3 you can do /dismount /castrandom MountA, MountB |
| 13:31.59 | Qshadowp | cool :P |
| 13:31.59 | Hatsuki | 2.0.1 now so in future that should work |
| 13:32.16 | Kaso | but yah, you could do it with a securebutton nowadays |
| 13:33.16 | Hatsuki | I guess I can wait |
| 13:33.28 | Hatsuki | I wont have time to play wow anyways before xmas |
| 13:33.49 | Qshadowp | lol i stopped paying for my subscription atm |
| 13:34.08 | Qshadowp | fed up with the service we get on my realm, when pct comes up i will probably start playing again though |
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| 13:34.43 | Kaso | Qshadowp |
| 13:34.44 | Kaso | http://www.wowace.com/wiki/MountMe |
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| 13:35.08 | Qshadowp | lol thats for Kaso not me :P |
| 13:35.23 | Qshadowp | i have one mount, no point in getting any more till im rich :) |
| 13:35.28 | Kaso | oh |
| 13:35.30 | Kaso | wrong person :> |
| 13:35.34 | Kaso | Hatsuki |
| 13:35.49 | Qshadowp | i like spamming space with my ram also, spamming peoples sound cards with the moo sound :D |
| 13:36.04 | Hatsuki | I believe that's a Blizzard Master Plan: crappy realms with lot of players and pct for $$ -> profit |
| 13:36.23 | Qshadowp | Hatsuki quite probably, theres a forum post on my realm forums |
| 13:36.36 | Qshadowp | with 3 pretty big guilds transferring, probably for |
| 13:36.40 | Qshadowp | and alot of randoms |
| 13:37.09 | Hatsuki | yep |
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| 13:38.32 | Qshadowp | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=66756828&sid=1 |
| 13:38.40 | Qshadowp | ^ Angry people paying to leave my realm lol ^ |
| 13:39.03 | Hatsuki | I've played on migration realm for an year now |
| 13:39.28 | Qshadowp | lol Hatsuki on our realm we are plagued by these italian people |
| 13:39.44 | Qshadowp | they printed in a kiddies gaming magazine that it would be cool to buy wow, and come to hakkar. |
| 13:39.54 | Qshadowp | so like 70% of the community is italian 10 year olds, its a nightmare. |
| 13:39.55 | MoonWolf | right |
| 13:40.01 | MoonWolf | bastards. |
| 13:40.12 | Hatsuki | we have turkish people |
| 13:40.20 | Qshadowp | yea, they spam the forums, general, trade, localdefense all the time in italian |
| 13:40.22 | Hatsuki | not sure which are worse |
| 13:40.25 | Mr_Rabies | we have...aussies? |
| 13:40.31 | Qshadowp | lol |
| 13:40.35 | Qshadowp | well read that forum post |
| 13:40.39 | Hatsuki | Mr_Rabies: at least they speak same language |
| 13:40.40 | Mr_Rabies | but most of them are pretty cool despite not being able to play healers worth a crap due to latency |
| 13:40.56 | Qshadowp | entire guilds are getting pct out because of the italians xD |
| 13:41.23 | Kaso | * If you add a #showtooltip line to your macro, it will show the tooltip of the item or spell in addition to the normal visual feedback. |
| 13:41.23 | Mr_Rabies | i wandered into my first group of people cybering in /emote today |
| 13:41.31 | Mr_Rabies | zoned into the tram and /cry |
| 13:41.33 | Kaso | i want Slouken's babies |
| 13:41.49 | Mr_Rabies | well "group" being 2 but yanno |
| 13:42.02 | Qshadowp | lol |
| 13:42.20 | Mr_Rabies | i'm on a pve server, i thought that crap only happened in RP servers |
| 13:42.29 | Hatsuki | it happens on pvp also |
| 13:42.39 | Qshadowp | xD |
| 13:42.54 | Hatsuki | one tauren tried to approach me once in wsg -.- |
| 13:43.02 | Hatsuki | (<-dwarf) |
| 13:43.09 | Qshadowp | i allways /moo at taurens :D |
| 13:43.16 | Mr_Rabies | a tauren reamed me pretty good with his giant asscandy |
| 13:43.20 | Mr_Rabies | :[ |
| 13:43.37 | Mr_Rabies | i always moo at taurens too, especially if they're druids |
| 13:44.44 | Hatsuki | taurens, orcs and dwarves are only cool races=). |
| 13:45.05 | Mr_Rabies | i like all the races but humans |
| 13:45.15 | Mr_Rabies | undead are interesting but most of the players are idiots |
| 13:45.25 | Qshadowp | brb :) |
| 13:45.34 | Mr_Rabies | nightelves are interesting but all the players are idiots except the druids |
| 13:45.37 | Hatsuki | undeads are like night elves |
| 13:45.51 | Mr_Rabies | and i've started running into more idiot druids recently |
| 13:46.00 | Mr_Rabies | you know, the ones that think they're priests |
| 13:46.06 | Mr_Rabies | decked out in healing leather/cloth |
| 13:46.12 | Mr_Rabies | never use their forms |
| 13:46.47 | Mr_Rabies | never roll on any feral loot, only using their druid as a priest |
| 13:47.01 | Hatsuki | they should reroll |
| 13:47.28 | Mr_Rabies | anyone that plays a hybrid like a pure class all the time needs to do themselves a favor and reroll to a pure class |
| 13:47.47 | Hatsuki | wow is first mmo for many players, and many players have chosen poorly their class |
| 13:48.05 | Hatsuki | I for one chose my first class badly |
| 13:48.18 | Mr_Rabies | WoW's my first MMO, and i'd be happy if our class description was accurate when i rolled my druid :/ |
| 13:48.22 | nevcairiel | i chose a druid and i am still happy with it :) |
| 13:48.44 | Mr_Rabies | it said we were supposed to be equal as our parent classes at the abilities, but not as versatile in those abilities |
| 13:48.51 | Hatsuki | I chose shaman because of 1) travelform 2) reinc 3) mail |
| 13:49.07 | Hatsuki | that was poor choice and I rerolled to priest after year or so |
| 13:49.28 | Hatsuki | which is very good for me |
| 13:49.59 | Mr_Rabies | i.e. no pw:s, no stunlock, no good aoe, and not as much mitigation as our parent classes in those specific roles, but being as good in different ways, making us balanced |
| 13:50.23 | Mr_Rabies | sadly we became equal healers and subpar everything else |
| 13:50.58 | Hatsuki | hybrid - advantadges of none and disadvantadges of all |
| 13:51.22 | Hatsuki | learned that well with shaman :| |
| 13:52.37 | Mr_Rabies | well they're getting the ability to have a more defined role than just healer in raids in bc |
| 13:52.39 | zenzio | Mr_Rabies: class descriptions usually go out of date fast in MMOs... I remember a few such things in Anarchy Online... particularly the "shade" class, whose description quite clearly said they couldn't wear armor, while the only armor they in fact couldn't use were most helmets |
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| 13:53.11 | Mr_Rabies | but good luck convincing especially warriors that they're worth anything else |
| 13:53.54 | Mr_Rabies | well we're getting closer to that description in bc zenzio, but we're still a long ways off |
| 13:54.02 | Mr_Rabies | especially with the recent bear form and imp lotp nerf |
| 13:55.02 | Mr_Rabies | hopefully they'll add that third point back now that they nerfed bear health |
| 13:55.21 | Mr_Rabies | on live, it will be a nerf to bear, all bear tanks will have less health at 60 unless they're in epics |
| 13:55.43 | Mr_Rabies | ~5000 hp in caster form is the pivot point to the nerf |
| 13:55.52 | purl | Mr_Rabies: okay |
| 13:56.01 | Mr_Rabies | oops |
| 13:56.20 | Mr_Rabies | how do i remove that, shite |
| 13:56.33 | Mery | ~5000 |
| 13:56.35 | purl | 5000 is probably SL-5000D |
| 13:56.58 | Mr_Rabies | ~5000 hp |
| 13:57.18 | Mr_Rabies | eh oh well i guess it probably just triggered the script, just didn't actually append anything O_o |
| 13:58.10 | Elessdy | i hate windows SMB |
| 13:58.11 | Elessdy | i really do |
| 14:01.07 | Corrodias | i have two "network drives" right now -- that is, shares mapped as drives -- and whenever i open the "my computer" window it is delayed because it is talking to those servers. the protocol is so damn SLOW. it takes about 10 seconds to load the window. |
| 14:01.21 | Corrodias | well, probably closer to 6 |
| 14:02.00 | Qshadowp | does anyone have a gun? |
| 14:02.02 | Corrodias | last i checked, the network latency was under 10ms |
| 14:02.04 | Qshadowp | i wish to shoot who ever owns blizzard |
| 14:02.15 | Mr_Rabies | i usually just do \\computer\SharedFolder |
| 14:02.22 | Qshadowp | they give me a crappy service, on a crappy server |
| 14:02.29 | MoonWolf | Qshadowp, the shareholders own blizzard. |
| 14:02.31 | Mr_Rabies | too lazy to map network drives |
| 14:02.32 | Corrodias | which means it's spending about 5.99 seconds more than i should figuring out the status of those shares |
| 14:02.34 | Qshadowp | they won't allow me to renew my subscription for no apparent reason |
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| 14:02.53 | Qshadowp | and now i call there support and they say "Our waiting line is too long, and we are not accepting anyone into the queue at the moment" and hang up |
| 14:02.54 | Qshadowp | ........... |
| 14:03.13 | Corrodias | Mr_Rabies: laziness is why i mapped them, so i don't have to type that 5 times a day |
| 14:03.21 | Mr_Rabies | did you like kick chris metzen in the junk at blizzcon or something |
| 14:03.30 | Mr_Rabies | it sounds like blizzard has a vendetta against you |
| 14:03.41 | Qshadowp | yea maybe they do :( |
| 14:03.53 | Qshadowp | when i joined i got recommended to a server with a 70% italian population lol |
| 14:04.12 | Corrodias | i suppose the family didn't let you join? |
| 14:04.45 | Corrodias | (yes, that was a joke about an italian stereotype in poor taste) |
| 14:05.16 | Qshadowp | o.O |
| 14:05.31 | Qshadowp | well if you got ~10 pms a day "ITA?????????" you'd start to get annoyed |
| 14:05.48 | Corrodias | you should respond "keke^ ^" |
| 14:05.52 | Qshadowp | :P |
| 14:06.13 | Qshadowp | alot of the time if you say that you dont speak italian they start to flame you in english or italian |
| 14:06.17 | Corrodias | well, "KEKEKEKE~~~~^ ^" |
| 14:06.23 | Qshadowp | :D |
| 14:06.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | i had a guildy that translated the farmers for us back in the day |
| 14:06.55 | Qshadowp | i actually think you'd find a better community playing counter strike or something than world of warcraft on my server, which is kinda sad. |
| 14:07.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | that was fun |
| 14:07.09 | Qshadowp | :P |
| 14:07.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'd occasionalyl go to tyr's hand with my buddies and terrorize famers |
| 14:07.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | fear bombing their mobs |
| 14:07.53 | Tem|Sleep | Qshadowp, I think you're being overly negative |
| 14:08.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | breaking their sap with rank 1 moonfire (which incidentally, does less aggro than sap) |
| 14:08.18 | Qshadowp | Tem|Sleep ok, what should i do then? :P |
| 14:08.27 | Tem|Sleep | be patient |
| 14:08.29 | Qshadowp | blizzard has directed me to a server full of italian 10 year olds, groups are impossible. |
| 14:08.30 | Tem|Sleep | call back llater |
| 14:08.37 | Qshadowp | blizzard won't accept my credit card for no reason what so ever |
| 14:08.38 | Tem|Sleep | so transfer |
| 14:08.50 | Qshadowp | this happened last month and when i called them they said it was a bug in there payment system and they'd fix it |
| 14:08.58 | Qshadowp | i cant transfer, the transfer system is down. |
| 14:09.03 | Tem|Sleep | With the way you're behaving here, I have no reason to believe that you're not a 10-year-old youreslf |
| 14:09.20 | Tem|Sleep | Be patient, and call back later. |
| 14:09.21 | Qshadowp | you obviously havn't played on hakkar server :P |
| 14:09.40 | Corrodias | i would recommend learning about the reputations of realms before accepting them, in the future, for mmorpgs |
| 14:09.56 | Qshadowp | yea, i plan to |
| 14:10.05 | Qshadowp | as soon as PCT comes up i have found a nice realm i'd like to go to :) |
| 14:10.43 | Corrodias | i was as foolish as you. fortunately, my realms' reputations of having bad lag and frequent crashes has been eliminated at some point, and the drama seems to have subsided, a little |
| 14:11.08 | Qshadowp | our realm has alot of crashes and lag too, but its mainly the community im angry about |
| 14:11.10 | Corrodias | the biggest alliance guild died between when i stopped playing last time and started again |
| 14:11.30 | Corrodias | eldre'thalas is actually pretty decent, now. we're starting to get short queues on sunday afternoons, though. |
| 14:11.38 | Qshadowp | :( |
| 14:11.51 | Qshadowp | on hakkar i have screenshots of 1k queues |
| 14:11.54 | Corrodias | oh, and this is fun: |
| 14:12.00 | Qshadowp | they opened migrations to our realm when it was "Full" |
| 14:12.01 | Qshadowp | :\ |
| 14:12.40 | Corrodias | Casualty was a guild formed by the core raiding group splitting off of a large guild, taking a lot of resources with them, and earning a lot of hate |
| 14:12.56 | Qshadowp | lol :P |
| 14:13.11 | Corrodias | however, it seems that people forget over time, because their ranks swelled enough that they did it AGAIN, splitting off into Echelon |
| 14:13.25 | Qshadowp | i mean as a example of the italians spoiling the game |
| 14:13.32 | Corrodias | they're probably italians |
| 14:13.33 | Qshadowp | i never bother to use my sheep ability in the battlegrounds anymore |
| 14:13.53 | Qshadowp | seems like every time i sheep someone, a italian comes along and dots it or something |
| 14:14.01 | Qshadowp | (your about to ask, how do i know there italian) |
| 14:14.13 | Corrodias | i figured you could tell somehow. possibly the name. |
| 14:14.14 | Qshadowp | answer: they live in italian guilds, Dragonlance ITA, dies irea, etc... |
| 14:14.26 | Corrodias | ah yes, guilds |
| 14:14.36 | Qshadowp | :P |
| 14:14.54 | Qshadowp | i mean there are a few cool italians on our server that feel really ashamed about the way that the majority behaves |
| 14:15.09 | Qshadowp | tis a real shame all these 10 year olds put out such a bad image for there country lol |
| 14:15.15 | Corrodias | arr. |
| 14:15.35 | Qshadowp | in pve they do all sorts of stupid things |
| 14:15.48 | Corrodias | i see Hakkar is a pvp realm, so E'T (pve) is probably not where you'd want to transfer to |
| 14:15.49 | Qshadowp | classic one obviously being "leerooooooy" every 2 seconds |
| 14:16.05 | Qshadowp | yea, i like the look of dune maul. tis alot nicer there |
| 14:16.21 | Corrodias | slightly higher population |
| 14:16.31 | Qshadowp | nah its not, dune maul is medium hakkar is full |
| 14:16.32 | Corrodias | maybe that's just because of the time of day... |
| 14:16.40 | Corrodias | "Hakkar(PVP)Low" |
| 14:16.48 | Corrodias | realm status page lies |
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| 14:16.57 | Qshadowp | Corrodias thats lies, on the server status page in game it says its full |
| 14:17.05 | Qshadowp | and we've had queues of up to 1k recently |
| 14:17.13 | Qshadowp | just shows blizzard are trying to screw us over :( |
| 14:17.22 | Corrodias | yep |
| 14:17.39 | Corrodias | well, good luck with your journey to dunemaul. i've got to get to bed for... about an hour. |
| 14:17.47 | Qshadowp | lol ok :P |
| 14:17.48 | Qshadowp | cya :) |
| 14:19.41 | AnduinLothar | anyone knwo offhand how long AB is in meters? |
| 14:22.26 | KaoS- | wow that trailer looks amazing |
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| 14:36.05 | KaoS- | when is blizzard just going to make a movie. |
| 14:36.57 | Qshadowp | they'd probably be better at that :P |
| 14:39.22 | KaoS- | lol |
| 14:39.40 | krka | blizzard could probably make a really kickass 2h animated movie |
| 14:39.50 | Qshadowp | yea, they could |
| 14:39.56 | Qshadowp | i heard rumors there was gonna be a warcraft movie |
| 14:39.59 | Qshadowp | i bet that'll be good. |
| 14:40.36 | krka | i'm thinking a family comedy |
| 14:40.48 | krka | they could have some sort of talking animal |
| 14:40.57 | krka | and a young baby arthas |
| 14:41.45 | Qshadowp | noes. |
| 14:42.05 | Qshadowp | family comedy on a serious war situtation...that'd suck. |
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| 14:42.43 | krka | worked for Secret Army |
| 14:43.01 | Qshadowp | :O |
| 14:48.50 | Kaso | The new 2.0.2 Tooltip API functions, does ClearLines()'ing a tooltip make those function not return? |
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| 14:50.36 | Kaso | so if i did tooltip:SetScript("OnTooltipSetItem",function() tooltip:ClearLines() |
| 14:50.58 | Kaso | then did tooltip:SetHyperLink("item") print(tooltip:GetItem()) |
| 14:51.05 | Kaso | would i get item or not? |
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| 14:52.59 | nevcairiel | which addon is up to date for toggling my addons in-game ? My MCP kinda broke and i cannot find a good fixed version. |
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| 14:55.48 | grimman | nevcairiel: http://ui.worldofwar.net/ui.php?id=1774 |
| 15:02.24 | sysrage | khaos or whatever it is that cosmos uses works |
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| 15:09.06 | *** topic/#wowi-lounge is Patch Notes: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?p=35689#post35689 | http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#7 | Paste Code Here: http://wowi.pastey.net/ | Mod Author guilds on Hellfire (US) and on Tempest Keep (EU). CastSpell (A)/TargetUnit(H) | TBC Release Date 16 Jan 07 |
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| 15:13.13 | paulobanon_ | hi all |
| 15:13.52 | Mery | hi |
| 15:18.53 | Industrial | god there needs to be an Email2 where you cant spam :| |
| 15:18.58 | Industrial | on the other hand meh provacy |
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| 15:59.49 | Neuro_Medivh | anyone here really good at understanding how the game engine deals with textures? |
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| 16:03.22 | hugo | hi |
| 16:03.36 | cogwheel | morning (ugt) |
| 16:03.43 | kergoth | morning |
| 16:04.13 | cogwheel | ~seen malreth |
| 16:04.40 | purl | malreth <n=triti@w-mob201-128-62-92-171.public.utexas.edu> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 1d 23h 14m 16s ago, saying: ':-o'. |
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| 16:19.21 | Qshadowp | you've gotta be kidding me |
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| 16:19.31 | Qshadowp | just tried to call blizzard again, call doesn't even go through now :\ |
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| 16:19.49 | Xuerian | See, that's why they tell you to call them before cancelling. |
| 16:20.01 | Qshadowp | yea lmfao |
| 16:20.07 | Xuerian | You keep trying, and trying, and trying, but never get through. You get so disgruntled, you go back to playing to relieve stress XD |
| 16:20.28 | Qshadowp | im trying to call them because there stupid, and wont take my money ;( |
| 16:20.39 | paulobanon_ | lol |
| 16:20.42 | Qshadowp | there credit card thingy is bugged, i had to call them last month to get it to work too |
| 16:21.06 | Qshadowp | last month they said "payment rejected" but i called my card company and they said that they had allowed it |
| 16:21.16 | Qshadowp | so i phoned blizzard and said take the dam money and finally they accepted it |
| 16:21.18 | Qshadowp | :| |
| 16:21.22 | Xuerian | o.o |
| 16:21.57 | Qshadowp | oh well, imma go afk again. |
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| 16:22.53 | Corrodias | i bet i could get through if i called |
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| 16:23.24 | Corrodias | maybe you would want to buy a time card, with your credit card |
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| 16:32.49 | cogwheel | http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=oddlyEnoughNews&storyid=2006-12-14T144134Z_01_NCD157394_RTRUKOC_0_US-ASTROLOGY-DRIVING1.xml&src=rss |
| 16:34.27 | Tuller | http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/12/13/ap/strange/mainD8LVNL7O0.shtml |
| 16:34.57 | Corrodias | hm. |
| 16:36.09 | Corrodias | i'm almost halfway through the article and haven't yet seen justification for suspending him |
| 16:36.39 | Industrial | zodiac.. hahaha next. |
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| 16:42.31 | Gnarfoz | I went for one like that, also |
| 16:42.52 | Gnarfoz | most of them look fugly though, like they're supposed to ;D |
| 16:43.12 | Corrodias | haha |
| 16:43.28 | zenzio | quite |
| 16:46.39 | Malivil | oo |
| 16:46.45 | Corrodias | sadly i'm not sure how i want it to look |
| 16:46.45 | Malivil | BC intro was released |
| 16:46.46 | Malivil | cool |
| 16:47.18 | Elkano | Malivil, but the show it was shown at must have been even cooler than watching the video at home |
| 16:47.35 | Malivil | i know |
| 16:47.42 | Malivil | But i couldn't watch it |
| 16:47.45 | Malivil | I wanted to |
| 16:47.48 | Malivil | But i was working |
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| 16:49.41 | Corrodias | i really wish blizzard would update http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/items/armorsets/ with blood elves and dranei |
| 16:49.50 | Elkano | well, they even had a chorus there ^^ |
| 16:51.06 | Malivil | wow, that was sick |
| 16:51.10 | Corrodias | [away] @ class |
| 16:51.20 | Malivil | just over 1 month till realse |
| 16:51.24 | Malivil | *release |
| 16:51.25 | Malivil | =) |
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| 17:19.12 | sysrage | anybody in here one of the guys workin on the new cryolylsis? |
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| 17:20.55 | ckknight | hey all |
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| 17:33.15 | Silv | sigh |
| 17:33.21 | Silv | i'm a CreateFrame noob :( |
| 17:33.36 | Gnarfoz | who isn't |
| 17:33.58 | Silv | was trying to convert a guildmate's xml over to lua (its very simple) |
| 17:34.07 | Silv | i just cant seem to get any results out of it |
| 17:34.16 | Kaso | post the xml then |
| 17:34.20 | Kaso | pastey.net |
| 17:34.37 | Silv | really? got time to take a look? |
| 17:34.48 | Silv | i could also post my LUA, i'm more interested in what i'm doing wrong for the most part |
| 17:34.59 | Kaso | if ti is as you promised very simple |
| 17:35.16 | Silv | yeah just a focus frame |
| 17:35.57 | Kaso | i reserve the right to be lazy and do nothing, but ill take a look |
| 17:36.23 | Silv | alright :) |
| 17:44.57 | Qshadowp | YAY |
| 17:45.07 | Qshadowp | callied blizzard again, estimated waiting time is 4 minutes |
| 17:46.19 | nevcairiel | tell them to reboot the beta servers |
| 17:46.38 | Qshadowp | lol im on to account and billing |
| 17:46.43 | nevcairiel | just tell em :) |
| 17:46.44 | Qshadowp | dont think they can help with that tbh |
| 17:46.46 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 17:46.50 | Qshadowp | :P |
| 17:47.09 | nevcairiel | stupid NPCs in outlands are on vacation again |
| 17:48.01 | kergoth | last time that happened i was exploring, they rebooted, and i was stuck in a level 67-70 zone at 64.. that was fun |
| 17:48.18 | Qshadowp | :P |
| 17:48.24 | nevcairiel | i prefer having npcs back tho |
| 17:48.31 | nevcairiel | hearth is always there |
| 17:48.59 | nevcairiel | well and i wouldnt run into that problem. |
| 17:49.04 | nevcairiel | being 70 and all |
| 17:49.08 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:49.25 | nevcairiel | unless i end up in the middle of a Invasion Camp |
| 17:49.29 | Qshadowp | hmm, i've been in the 4 minute queue for 5 minutes now :D |
| 17:49.31 | nevcairiel | that would be fun. |
| 17:49.59 | nevcairiel | thousands of infernals .. i still hope for some fun quest to destroy them |
| 17:53.50 | Teomyr | i hate telephones |
| 17:54.28 | Teomyr | there's nothing like having to speak someone on the phone while you're raiding and have to listen to teamspeak/skype via headset simultaneously |
| 17:55.12 | Teomyr | looks kind of stupid :> |
| 17:55.34 | Qshadowp | lol :P |
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| 17:58.04 | malreth | RAWRBABY! |
| 18:00.01 | Qshadowp | hmm is there any place i can order a game card and i can just call them and tell them to give me the number? |
| 18:00.20 | Qshadowp | like i pay them, and they just tell me the number so i dont have to wait for the card to come in the post which takes ages :( |
| 18:00.29 | axxo | some place where they email it to you |
| 18:00.42 | Qshadowp | sounds good to me :P |
| 18:00.47 | axxo | google it |
| 18:00.52 | Qshadowp | ok :P |
| 18:01.03 | Qshadowp | dunno why blizzard hates my card though, this time they say my bank rejected it |
| 18:01.10 | Qshadowp | but last time it was blizzard that wasn't accepting the payment |
| 18:01.16 | Qshadowp | why does paying people have to be so complicated :( |
| 18:01.55 | axxo | because otherwise they can steal your money |
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| 18:02.21 | Qshadowp | spose |
| 18:02.46 | Qshadowp | but the system would be much more simple if we could just say send x amount to x person. |
| 18:02.57 | axxo | that exists. |
| 18:03.01 | Qshadowp | then nobody would be able to get scammed and everything would be so much more simple. |
| 18:03.04 | Tierrie|Work | maybe because like paypal! |
| 18:03.09 | Tierrie|Work | and people still get scammed |
| 18:03.14 | Qshadowp | Tierrie i dont like paypal |
| 18:03.18 | Qshadowp | they steal moneys :( |
| 18:03.21 | Tierrie|Work | paypal doesn't like you either |
| 18:03.25 | Tierrie|Work | they steal your moneys |
| 18:03.31 | Qshadowp | its in there tos somewhere that if they dont like your account they just close it for no reason |
| 18:03.40 | Qshadowp | my brothers boss lost 1 million i think because they just closed his account :S |
| 18:03.42 | axxo | probably |
| 18:03.45 | Tierrie|Work | hahaa |
| 18:03.50 | Tierrie|Work | who leaves 1 million in paypal = idiot |
| 18:03.56 | Qshadowp | lol |
| 18:03.59 | Tierrie|Work | i leave like 86 cents |
| 18:04.04 | Qshadowp | my brothers boss is very rich though :) |
| 18:04.10 | Tierrie|Work | OH GNOZ YOU STOLEZ MY 3 quarters 1 dime and a penny |
| 18:04.22 | Tierrie|Work | it was my lucky penny |
| 18:04.27 | Qshadowp | lol |
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| 18:11.12 | zenzio | "some of your items will arrive after 25 Dec 2006. Choosing a faster delivery option might help get them there in time for Christmas." -- wow, thanks Amazon, that'd be sweet... considering it's not being released until 2007 |
| 18:12.16 | Teomyr | indeed :D |
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| 18:18.24 | Tierrie|Work | http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=oddlyEnoughNews&storyid=2006-12-14T154913Z_01_L1470410_RTRUKOC_0_US-AUSTRALIA-WINE.xml&src=rss <-- now they only need to do this for whiskey |
| 18:20.10 | Qshadowp | <blazemore> LITTLETON, Colo. - Colorado officials plan to try a 15-year-old boy as an adult for allegedly offering a Sony PlayStation to have his aunt killed. |
| 18:20.11 | Qshadowp | <FlipTopBx> is it modded? |
| 18:20.11 | Qshadowp | <blazemore> LITTLETON, Colo. - Colorado officials plan to try a 15-year-old boy as an adult for allegedly offering a Sony PlayStation to have his aunt killed. |
| 18:20.12 | Qshadowp | <FlipTopBx> is it modded? |
| 18:20.13 | Qshadowp | <blazemore> LITTLETON, Colo. - Colorado officials plan to try a 15-year-old boy as an adult for allegedly offering a Sony PlayStation to have his aunt killed. |
| 18:20.14 | Qshadowp | <FlipTopBx> is it modded? |
| 18:20.16 | Qshadowp | <blazemore> LITTLETON, Colo. - Colorado officials plan to try a 15-year-old boy as an adult for allegedly offering a Sony PlayStation to have his aunt killed. |
| 18:20.19 | Qshadowp | <FlipTopBx> is it modded? |
| 18:20.21 | Qshadowp | <blazemore> LITTLETON, Colo. - Colorado officials plan to try a 15-year-old boy as an adult for allegedly offering a Sony PlayStation to have his aunt killed. |
| 18:20.24 | Qshadowp | <FlipTopBx> is it modded? |
| 18:20.33 | Cairenn | Qshadowp: ??? |
| 18:20.33 | Josh_Borke | o.O |
| 18:20.39 | Josh_Borke | hi Cairenn :-) |
| 18:21.08 | axxo | wtb ban for Qshadowp |
| 18:21.48 | Cairenn | naw, that's a person that is accidentally spamming and will shortly turn around, see his screen and go "oops, boy do I feel dumb now" |
| 18:22.19 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 18:22.22 | Tierrie|Work | Cairenn, he's probably making tons from viagra sales at the moment to be bothered to listen to you |
| 18:25.01 | Qshadowp | ugh |
| 18:25.08 | Qshadowp | shoot me :D |
| 18:25.08 | Cairenn | hehhee, |
| 18:25.09 | Josh_Borke | lol |
| 18:25.15 | Cairenn | called it, didn't I? |
| 18:25.17 | Tierrie|Work | so make much from viagra spam? |
| 18:25.18 | Josh_Borke | "boy do i feel dumb now" |
| 18:25.23 | Qshadowp | i kept on trying to paste that in another window and i was like uhh...why isn't it showing? |
| 18:25.34 | Qshadowp | lol |
| 18:25.39 | Qshadowp | i fail at life :( |
| 18:25.47 | Tierrie|Work | its ok man |
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| 18:25.51 | Tierrie|Work | don't kill yourself |
| 18:25.59 | Qshadowp | :) |
| 18:26.42 | Qshadowp | anyone got a place where they buy there game cards for that they know is legit and they will send me the game key by email or something? :) |
| 18:26.53 | Qshadowp | i found a website, but id prefer to go to one that someone recommends :P |
| 18:27.20 | Tierrie|Work | i can go buy you one if you have paypal |
| 18:27.34 | Qshadowp | nah i dont have paypal |
| 18:27.38 | Tierrie|Work | well then |
| 18:27.42 | Qshadowp | its so hard to pay for stuff, because im 16 i can't get a proper card |
| 18:27.44 | Tierrie|Work | how about viagra? do you have bottles of viagra |
| 18:27.58 | Qshadowp | and my brother has some strange over seas card that doesn't work with 99% of the world |
| 18:28.09 | Qshadowp | and my mum doesn't let me use hers :( |
| 18:28.17 | Neuro_Medivh | Qshadowp, just buy it from that website... if the game card doesn't work, stop payment. |
| 18:28.39 | Qshadowp | ok :D |
| 18:28.59 | Neuro_Medivh | I mean, you'll know in about 5 minutes if the game card doesn't work |
| 18:29.57 | Qshadowp | spose :P |
| 18:30.18 | Qshadowp | anyone wanna talk in binary ? im bored. |
| 18:30.55 | Rophy | anyone know a mod which shows quest level on quest log window and is untaint? |
| 18:31.00 | Neuro_Medivh | 011101 00100011001 0 00111001 001010 00011011000110 01010 0001010110011 101010101 |
| 18:31.12 | Rophy | ct_core taints. |
| 18:31.20 | Qshadowp | Neuro_Medivh fail |
| 18:31.28 | sergio | 00100100 |
| 18:31.38 | Qshadowp | lol |
| 18:31.42 | Neuro_Medivh | There's only 10 kinds of people in the world, those who understand binary, and those who don't. |
| 18:31.43 | Qshadowp | i think my debinary routins is bugged :D |
| 18:31.53 | Qshadowp | Neuro_Medivh yea :( |
| 18:31.59 | Qshadowp | 011010010010000001100011011000010110111000100000011101000110000101101100011010110010000001101001011011100010000001100010011010010110111001100001011100100111100100100000011101000110100001101111011101010110011101101000 |
| 18:32.34 | Qshadowp | ahh, your not useing 8 bit binary :P |
| 18:32.34 | Neuro_Medivh | dude, don't talk about my mom like that |
| 18:32.35 | Tierrie|Work | why do you want an untainted quest level quest log? |
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| 18:32.58 | Neuro_Medivh | Oh, I was just making stuff up |
| 18:33.01 | Neuro_Medivh | earlier |
| 18:33.09 | Qshadowp | oh lol, i wasn't |
| 18:33.17 | Qshadowp | that explains why my binary routine didn't understand you :D |
| 18:33.30 | Neuro_Medivh | good thing too |
| 18:33.43 | Neuro_Medivh | I said some pretty pervy things about a monkey and some baby oil |
| 18:34.17 | Qshadowp | i have a program, reads the first character, converts it into ascii, converts it into a 8 bit binary number, then spews it into a variable, rinse and repeat for every character in the string, then spews out the finished variable into a channel |
| 18:34.22 | umpfel | Hi. Could someone tell me if it's possible to make an itemlink in a fontstring clickable? |
| 18:34.33 | Qshadowp | oh well, afk for a bit :P |
| 18:35.45 | umpfel | Please tell me if that was a stupid question ^^ |
| 18:38.17 | axxo | Qshadowp: my friend used gamersloot.net |
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| 18:48.01 | |FF|Im2good4u | http://www.wowwiki.com/Formulas:Critical_hit_chance <- seems like hunters can hardly get cr!t chacne agi so we are jsut screwed ;( |
| 18:48.24 | Kaso | its because hunters tend to have lots of agi |
| 18:48.33 | Kaso | though i tmight be changed with the new mechanitcs |
| 18:48.36 | Kaso | wonder if anyone has tested |
| 18:48.59 | zenzio | woot, tried Emeriss! Failed, but tried! |
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| 18:49.12 | Cairenn | hey Beladona |
| 18:59.40 | Qshadowp | thanks axxo |
| 19:01.01 | Qshadowp | ت |
| 19:01.05 | Beladona | heya |
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| 19:04.07 | Cairenn | ltns hun, how goes? |
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| 19:14.36 | Tierrie|Work | i wish adobe reader would die in a fiery hell |
| 19:15.12 | Zueli | Excel is my bane @ work. :p |
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| 19:20.12 | Neuro_Medivh | avoid worldofwar.net for now, it's trying to drop a trojan |
| 19:23.00 | Malivil | o.O? |
| 19:23.13 | Malivil | orly? |
| 19:24.50 | sylvanaar | ok, securecall - can someone tell me which side of the call is it protecting from taint |
| 19:25.26 | nevcairiel | its supposed to be used in a secure environment |
| 19:25.40 | nevcairiel | nothing mod authors need to worry about, since you never go secure .) |
| 19:25.48 | sylvanaar | we do |
| 19:26.01 | sylvanaar | to understand the taint model |
| 19:26.22 | sylvanaar | does it protect the calling function or teh called function |
| 19:26.31 | End | the calling |
| 19:26.44 | End | the called is the unsecure function |
| 19:26.57 | sylvanaar | perfect |
| 19:27.19 | sylvanaar | that explains so much |
| 19:27.55 | End | basically, it allows blizzard's code to call our code safely |
| 19:29.23 | Tuller | sylvanaar: its a post hook |
| 19:29.48 | Tuller | securefunction(...); yourfunction(...) |
| 19:30.05 | Gnarfoz | so, can someone with an US account ask on the US forums about ReplaceEnchant() being protected? can't over-enchant anything :\ |
| 19:32.26 | Cairenn | ~seen cladhaire |
| 19:32.51 | purl | cladhaire <n=jnwhiteh@cpe-24-58-241-33.twcny.res.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 7h 21s ago, saying: 'gotta run to work'. |
| 19:33.27 | sylvanaar | yeah, that clears alot of things ups guys thanks for the answers |
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| 19:40.51 | Osagasu | sooo clooooseee |
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| 19:57.13 | Josh_Borke | boy, we are an exciting group today... |
| 19:57.26 | Gryphen | shh |
| 19:58.10 | Bouvi | I am trying to sleep lol. Bored at work cannot get anything I want to use to edit .lua to work right, can't load WoW to test. YAWN |
| 19:58.24 | Bouvi | And I am on a Mac so makes it hard to find good editor |
| 20:00.05 | Josh_Borke | Bouvi: use gvim :-P |
| 20:01.00 | Bouvi | A command line editor? |
| 20:02.31 | Josh_Borke | Bouvi: no, it's graphical :-) |
| 20:02.40 | Josh_Borke | have you heard of vi? vim? |
| 20:02.55 | Bouvi | Noppe |
| 20:02.59 | Bouvi | Downloading it now |
| 20:05.04 | Bouvi | May just wait till I am home for an extended length of time. Learning new stuff while stumbling around bites lol. |
| 20:07.58 | Josh_Borke | indeed |
| 20:10.41 | Qshadowp | bleh, zone alarm firewall fails at life. |
| 20:15.09 | seebs | Is there any way to react to an editbox getting focus? |
| 20:15.25 | Bouvi | Can someone tell me what is Focus excatly? |
| 20:15.51 | seebs | Do you mean the macro focus, that's sort of like a target, or do you mean the editbox thing where your cursor shows up? |
| 20:16.11 | Mery | yes seebs |
| 20:16.33 | seebs | I found "OnFocusGained" in someone's list of syntax-coloring keywords, but no luck. What should I be looking for? |
| 20:16.44 | Bouvi | For example in XPerl there is a focus option. Either I am just being a noob or it is obvious what it is and I just cannot see it. |
| 20:16.47 | Mery | http://www.wowwiki.com/Widget_Handlers#EditBox |
| 20:16.56 | Mery | accoding to that it is OnEditFocusGained |
| 20:17.02 | seebs | Thank you! |
| 20:17.26 | seebs | I have been looking for that page for a week. |
| 20:17.43 | Mery | yep its linked nearly nowhere, but I know the name now =) |
| 20:17.46 | seebs | I did not know it existed, but I knew I wanted a list of allowable event types. |
| 20:20.23 | seebs | I have added a link to the main Widget API page. |
| 20:24.18 | Saroz | Anyone know a good mod for cooldown timer (bars, not oCD) |
| 20:27.55 | SP|Sorren | i hear good things about omniCC |
| 20:28.41 | Saroz | need bars, not counters on action bars :p |
| 20:28.48 | Saroz | and yes, omniCC is nice |
| 20:29.03 | kergoth | whats wrong with ocd? dont like having to have your spells on bars somewhere? |
| 20:29.07 | Silv | DoTimer? |
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| 20:29.23 | kergoth | he wants cooldowns, not effects |
| 20:29.30 | Silv | oh right on |
| 20:29.53 | Saroz | I'm using oCD now, but it doesnt work with bongos and it doesnt have alot of options :) |
| 20:30.13 | kergoth | adding support for bongos wouldnt exactly be hard :P |
| 20:30.19 | Saroz | cba -.- |
| 20:30.24 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:31.04 | SP|Sorren | try CDT then Saroz |
| 20:31.05 | Osagasu | I'm in! |
| 20:31.06 | Osagasu | =D |
| 20:31.23 | Saroz | CDT? |
| 20:31.27 | SP|Sorren | cooldown timer bars |
| 20:31.36 | SP|Sorren | when you said oCD i thought you meant not that style ;p |
| 20:31.54 | Saroz | got link? |
| 20:32.32 | SP|Sorren | http://wow.curse-gaming.com/en/files/details/2036/cooldown-timer-bars/ |
| 20:32.45 | Saroz | ty |
| 20:33.32 | bleetah | Cairenn|afk: minor quibble about wowi's registration page. On my Firefox, entering the email address.. white text on yellow background = hard to see if I've typod. btw, thx for the site and pass on my regards to mr fizz for the updates (been so busy, didn't get hold of them 'til last night;) |
| 20:38.59 | zenzio | sweet, got Emeriss =D |
| 20:42.33 | seebs | Well, I've hit the big time. I'm getting bug reports. |
| 20:43.16 | bleetah | seebs: now's the best time to quit the game ;) |
| 20:43.23 | seebs | Yeah, pretty much. |
| 20:43.29 | bleetah | you'll be stuck with bug reports forever, now, and never play another frame :-D |
| 20:43.29 | Bouvi | That is a definate. |
| 20:43.34 | seebs | Hey, I managed to level a character from 13 to 14 yesterday in between bug reports. |
| 20:43.53 | seebs | But I also finally found out how to make my frame stop showing up behind Necrosis buttons, so now I'm happy. |
| 20:44.42 | seebs | I did get one complaint that the window's too big, but I don't think I can fix that. :( |
| 20:44.58 | Bouvi | Tell them UI scale or MoveAnything can fix that |
| 20:45.20 | seebs | Well, my addon's draggable to begin with, but if you have a lot of largeish bars, it'll be a problem. |
| 20:45.32 | Bouvi | What is your addon :) |
| 20:45.33 | seebs | Less so now that it's at the DIALOG strata and shows up in front. |
| 20:45.35 | seebs | AnnoyRP. |
| 20:45.46 | seebs | It is the RP mod that warns you when your clever saying is gonna get annoying. |
| 20:46.11 | seebs | I've actually toyed with adding statistics to it so it can show you how often everything has been said. :) |
| 20:46.20 | seebs | ... |
| 20:46.24 | seebs | And now that I said it out loud, it has to happen. |
| 20:46.35 | seebs | I have to go code. Tell my family I loved them. |
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| 20:47.33 | Bouvi | Would that work for my hunter? I have a hunter named Krabouv with a pet named BouviDoo. When I feed him I say "Here BouviDoo have a Bouvi-Snack" |
| 20:47.43 | Bouvi | Have not played my hunter since 2.0 |
| 20:49.04 | Osagasu | Oh cool, the CE pets are blue now |
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| 20:50.27 | navkren | hello |
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| 20:53.58 | Mery | hello |
| 20:54.05 | Mery | oh he left already |
| 20:56.38 | Shadowed | mmmm I wonder how hard it would be to make something to color enchants green on tooltips again |
| 20:57.14 | Shadowed | not very hard I guess since we can get if the item is enchanted or not |
| 20:57.29 | Gryphen | there is an addon for that |
| 20:57.31 | Gryphen | saw it somewhere |
| 20:57.35 | Osagasu | You mean that was intentional? |
| 20:57.37 | bleetah | thought I read on the ingame knowledge base that they were gunna fix it, anyways |
| 20:57.40 | Osagasu | I was hopingit was a bug. >< |
| 20:57.49 | Shadowed | maybe I heard that it was done to increase buffs available |
| 20:58.17 | Shadowed | Ah, so it is a known issue |
| 20:58.23 | bleetah | 'there's a known issue in 2.0.1... working towards a resolution' |
| 20:58.29 | Osagasu | good |
| 20:58.42 | bleetah | for resolution, i read 'wait for 2.0.2' |
| 20:58.48 | Osagasu | o.o;;; |
| 20:59.00 | Osagasu | Why do Draenei get a bag for their newb quests? :< |
| 20:59.22 | Shadowed | Undead do too actually |
| 20:59.23 | Josh_Borke | other races a bag drops before leaving the newb area |
| 20:59.48 | Osagasu | Not all the time |
| 21:00.03 | Josh_Borke | i have yet to not have one drop for me |
| 21:00.09 | seebs | Bouvi: I think Feed Pet shows up as a spell, so it should work. |
| 21:00.13 | Shadowed | first thing i do is send 4 runecloth bags, and 5g to my new characters anyway |
| 21:00.33 | Josh_Borke | lol, yea |
| 21:00.58 | Bouvi | Cool Sorry work keeps interfering |
| 21:01.00 | Shadowed | and then buy whatever the set of leather/cloth/mail is the vender has |
| 21:01.42 | Gryphen | fyi http://wow.curse-gaming.com/en/files/details/5041/enchant-color/ |
| 21:02.31 | Shadowed | ah thanks, not that big of a deal but was suprising when 2.0.1 hit |
| 21:02.41 | Shadowed | was trying to figure out why an item had AGI listed twice! |
| 21:10.35 | [Liquidor] | Bah so here you are Cide. Got a bugtracker? |
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| 21:10.53 | seebs | My first three characters never had a bag drop in the newbie area. I was SOOO poor on my first toon. |
| 21:11.06 | seebs | Then when I did the "how well can I do without any help at all" experiment, I got a bag on my FIRST KILL. |
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| 21:11.16 | Josh_Borke | lol |
| 21:11.34 | Cide | [Liquidor]: how so? |
| 21:11.35 | seebs | At L20, he had 12g in bank, all L17+ greens, and so on... It was insultingly easy. |
| 21:11.48 | [Liquidor] | Cide: for bug reporting |
| 21:11.49 | Cide | if you want to submit bugs, use our forum thread for now |
| 21:11.57 | [Liquidor] | which is where? |
| 21:11.58 | Josh_Borke | you had 12g at l20? o.O |
| 21:12.02 | seebs | Yeah. |
| 21:12.07 | Josh_Borke | wow, how? |
| 21:12.14 | seebs | Speculation on AH. |
| 21:12.17 | Josh_Borke | ah |
| 21:12.23 | seebs | My record is going from 1s24c to 2g50s in two days. |
| 21:12.37 | Cide | [Liquidor]: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=54920930&sid=1&pageNo=4 |
| 21:12.42 | Cide | if you're EU, just PM me |
| 21:12.55 | [Liquidor] | I'm EU unfortunately. Well I'll let the other ppl wait |
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| 21:13.03 | [Liquidor] | eh |
| 21:13.13 | Bouvi | My lvl 1 alt has made about 100g selling snowballs I collected last year. People are going to be ticked buying a stack for 1.5g when they can get them for just a couple silver next week. |
| 21:13.16 | [Liquidor] | typo: wait/report |
| 21:13.27 | Cide | just send me a pm |
| 21:13.42 | [Liquidor] | I'll drop you a list later tonight |
| 21:13.57 | [Liquidor] | (which is 1-2 hours here) |
| 21:14.12 | Cide | sounds good |
| 21:15.28 | [Liquidor] | Cide: planning on updating CTBM for the entire Naxx and instances currently in beta? |
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| 21:15.47 | Cide | probably not |
| 21:16.02 | [Liquidor] | Okay so closing that one? |
| 21:16.23 | Cide | no, but we're focusing on CTRA2's boss mods |
| 21:17.10 | [Liquidor] | I see |
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| 21:33.07 | [Cu]Werik | Hi |
| 21:33.15 | Gryphen | he3ya |
| 21:33.32 | bleetah | awww crap.. same error as an hour ago |
| 21:33.48 | bleetah | coffee mug div by 0 :'( |
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| 21:35.13 | St0rM | Any suggestion on how to learn to use the new secure templates ? |
| 21:35.30 | St0rM | I'm pretty new to WOW addons. |
| 21:35.51 | Josh_Borke | St0rM: good luck ;-) look at other addons and look at the blizzard code (wdn.wowinterface.com) |
| 21:37.13 | St0rM | So Im not the onlyone that actually looked at them and had an headache ? |
| 21:37.23 | Mery | depending on how new you are start with non secure stuff |
| 21:37.55 | St0rM | I did it, and I stumped on UseContainerItem :-\ |
| 21:40.15 | St0rM | Josh, excuse my n00bness. the FrameXML dir with lua files contains templates examples ? |
| 21:40.37 | Josh_Borke | St0rM: yes. you'll want to look at SecureTemplate? or something like that |
| 21:44.00 | St0rM | it seems so. I used to have a small panel I wrote myself (using black tape, CutPaste and luck) linking some items from my inventory, and they no longer works as they was using UseContainerItem. If I got it right, I have to rewrote it from scratch using these secure templates. |
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| 21:52.11 | Osagasu | HAH! |
| 21:52.18 | Osagasu | Bags drop in the Draenei area too! |
| 21:52.20 | bleetah | St0rM: don't quote me, but instead of UseContainerItem, try hooksecurefun("UseCon....) |
| 21:52.47 | bleetah | St0rM: I'm merely suggesting this 'coz I believe a PickupContainerItem hook can be replaced with a hooksecurefunc("PickupContainerItem", ...) |
| 21:53.20 | Mery | no I guess he actually wants to use items |
| 21:54.07 | seebs | Storm, yes, they have to be redone. I don't know how, but I'm told it's fairly possible. |
| 21:54.36 | Josh_Borke | Osagasu: well then that's just mean ;-) |
| 21:54.52 | Josh_Borke | ok, bye all |
| 21:54.54 | Kirov | I'm actually surprised how much can still be old-style hooked with out reprocutions |
| 21:56.21 | St0rM | bleetah I'll try it. |
| 21:56.27 | St0rM | Thanks for the suggestion |
| 21:59.05 | seebs | Well, Storm, what's your panel supposed to do? |
| 21:59.19 | seebs | If you're trying to ACTIVATE items, you're going to need the secure template stuff. |
| 21:59.26 | St0rM | that's the point |
| 21:59.43 | St0rM | and I admit I'm looking at them and it's hard. |
| 22:01.07 | St0rM | Just a panel with 4 buttons with some items from my first 4 inventory slot |
| 22:01.20 | St0rM | that activate them with the left click |
| 22:02.29 | St0rM | not a real plugin in fact, just a sort of exercise |
| 22:07.50 | seebs | So, curse gaming has lots of comments from people using my mod, but claims 0 total downloads? |
| 22:07.51 | seebs | WTF. |
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| 22:11.58 | seebs | Hey, everyone says not to create lots of tables. |
| 22:12.06 | seebs | Just how expensive IS table creation, compared to other tasks? |
| 22:12.37 | seebs | For instance, if I have to loop through an existing table three times, and each time I'm going to be ignoring the same set of fields, is creating a table containing only the entries I care about, then looping through that, ever sane? |
| 22:13.04 | seebs | I'm trying to figure out whether table creation is "worse than a couple of branches" or "worse than a whole complicated loop". |
| 22:14.13 | cogwheel | It was more of a concern in lua 5.0 because of the way garbage collection worked. Still, you shouldn't be creating fifty new tables in every OnUpdate for 20 different frames :P |
| 22:14.48 | cogwheel | I'm sure the performance gain of building a list of relevant entries will outweigh the loss from creating the table in the first place |
| 22:15.03 | cogwheel | (depending of course on how many irrelevant entries there are) |
| 22:15.37 | TonyD | doesn't lua save/read tables from text files? |
| 22:15.46 | seebs | Well, as an example, in AnnoyRP, you can specify multiple "chatter lists" for a single event. |
| 22:16.07 | seebs | Currently, if the event triggers, AnnoyRP builds a combined table containing all the elements from each list, then picks something randomly from that. |
| 22:16.09 | kergoth | TonyD: hm? |
| 22:16.10 | cogwheel | TonyD: not quite sure what you mean... tables are a basic part of the lua language |
| 22:16.23 | seebs | (This is more expensive than you might think, as each item can have a "weight", so I'm iterating and rolling dice.) |
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| 22:16.37 | Geforcy | hello |
| 22:16.40 | seebs | Hey. |
| 22:16.41 | Geforcy | can i ask something? |
| 22:16.43 | seebs | Yes. |
| 22:16.48 | cogwheel | you just did |
| 22:16.48 | TonyD | yeah, I know, but does WoW force lua to load all it's tables into ram? |
| 22:17.00 | cogwheel | TonyD: that doesn't make any sense... |
| 22:17.02 | seebs | I was thinking of just counting elements and picking one of them at random, rather than concatenating. |
| 22:17.10 | Geforcy | i did click on disable ui or something... now all my updated mods dont shopw up on my screen ui |
| 22:17.14 | Geforcy | like titan panel |
| 22:17.17 | Geforcy | how i can reload? |
| 22:17.17 | seebs | Tony, tables are always in RAM. |
| 22:17.36 | TuX_BuBling | hello |
| 22:17.37 | seebs | Geforcy: I'm not sure, because I don't know what you did. Go to the character select screen, click on AddOns, and see what you have. |
| 22:17.45 | Cide | hi, TuX_BuBling |
| 22:17.46 | TonyD | guess it's faster than reading em all from plain text |
| 22:17.55 | TuX_BuBling | is it possible to load FrameXML directory in Interface dir? |
| 22:18.12 | Cide | not sure I follow |
| 22:18.15 | Geforcy | my add-ons just show in the list |
| 22:18.18 | cogwheel | TonyD: I don't mean to be rude, but it seems like you don't really understand what's going on... |
| 22:18.36 | cogwheel | a table is lua's equivalent of an array |
| 22:18.49 | Geforcy | but i did get a pop-ups creen when i installed a mod and it said i could disable my mod ui or just ognore it |
| 22:18.52 | seebs | Hmm. |
| 22:19.03 | kergoth | TonyD: savedvariables is just emitted lua files which are read in an executed. it isnt a data format persay, its just more code that happens to populate tables in ram. |
| 22:19.03 | seebs | Maybe he's talking about SavedVariables, which are loaded from disk at startup, but often contain tables? |
| 22:22.18 | Geforcy | so i think i need to type some console command to enable my mods to load |
| 22:23.29 | cogwheel | Geforcy: nope |
| 22:23.30 | Qshadowp | ~poke purl |
| 22:23.32 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind purl, pokes purl repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 22:23.41 | cogwheel | if your addons are installed properly, they'd show up in the list |
| 22:24.06 | abug | do load on demands show up in the list too? never checked |
| 22:24.13 | cogwheel | yep |
| 22:24.13 | cogwheel | i think |
| 22:24.26 | Geforcy | fixed it |
| 22:24.38 | Geforcy | i first onloaded all my mods and logged in with my char |
| 22:25.02 | Geforcy | then i did enable all and also clicked load out of of date |
| 22:25.06 | Geforcy | and it worked again |
| 22:26.15 | TonyD | yeah, i was mised up between arrays and tables as i know them |
| 22:27.11 | KiphereCE | HI |
| 22:27.16 | KiphereCE | <== totally back. |
| 22:27.19 | Gryphen | he3ya |
| 22:27.20 | TonyD | high |
| 22:27.21 | abug | ello |
| 22:27.35 | TuX_BuBling | anyone know a good addon to move frames? |
| 22:27.39 | KiphereCE | <sings> plastic parts and goo, doin everything I can do... to build tha robots. |
| 22:27.42 | abug | MoveAnything for BC |
| 22:28.00 | TonyD | moveanything is updated fro live |
| 22:28.10 | abug | er yeah that's what I meant |
| 22:28.15 | TuX_BuBling | and buggy |
| 22:28.19 | KiphereCE | Widger never made it to my post heh, musta been a rough night in AQ :p |
| 22:28.22 | TonyD | really? how so? |
| 22:28.24 | TuX_BuBling | and memory angry :( |
| 22:28.33 | TonyD | dfm had a hacked to work version... |
| 22:28.44 | TonyD | can't imagine it being easier on resources, tho |
| 22:28.50 | TonyD | Discord Frame Manager |
| 22:29.37 | TuX_BuBling | is it light and 2.0 compatible? |
| 22:30.17 | abug | it's less filling but not light |
| 22:30.26 | abug | and the taste is okay |
| 22:30.44 | abug | not lite either |
| 22:30.45 | TuX_BuBling | ok i must try |
| 22:31.02 | TonyD | discord is more about very very very configurable than easy, or light |
| 22:31.05 | TuX_BuBling | got a big memory leak with moveanything, and especially mobilesframes |
| 22:31.23 | sysrage | don't suppose any devs that work on Saeris's LootLink are in here? |
| 22:31.33 | TonyD | how can you tell what's leaking? |
| 22:31.47 | abug | trial and error? |
| 22:31.49 | KiphereCE | When you hide a primary UI frame like the mainbar does it still exist memory wise or is it effectively 'gone' until called again? |
| 22:31.50 | TonyD | i been trying to find a mod that tells you what resources each addon is using |
| 22:32.03 | TuX_BuBling | <TonyD> how can you tell what's leaking? << guess how ;) |
| 22:32.10 | TuX_BuBling | i tried each addon one by one |
| 22:32.27 | TonyD | eek |
| 22:32.32 | KiphereCE | Tux: look for the wetspot |
| 22:32.36 | TonyD | i hate doing that |
| 22:32.45 | TonyD | there used to be an addon that did what I said |
| 22:33.05 | TonyD | back when mobileframes was the only frame moving thing |
| 22:33.18 | TonyD | I'd reallu like to know if FUbar is nicer than titan, resource wise |
| 22:33.25 | abug | Kipher: I think when you hide a frame the memory stays about the same, but you might gain a little on fps |
| 22:33.26 | TuX_BuBling | <TonyD> i hate doing that << but sometime you have to :( |
| 22:33.37 | TuX_BuBling | i pretty think so |
| 22:33.42 | TuX_BuBling | fubar is pretty nice |
| 22:33.43 | abug | I've never actually bothered to check though |
| 22:33.45 | TuX_BuBling | and light |
| 22:33.47 | KiphereCE | abug: reason I was asking is I'm planning a total UI replacement projec. |
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| 22:34.05 | TuX_BuBling | <KiphereCE> Tux: look for the wetspot <<? |
| 22:34.17 | abug | a lot of the blizzard UI is now basically addons though so your addon can disable em |
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| 22:34.20 | sysrage | best way to find a leak |
| 22:34.26 | TonyD | i switched to fu cuz i heard titan was leaky and hoggy |
| 22:34.35 | KiphereCE | <Tux_BuBling> <KiphereCE> Tux: look for the wetspot <<? /0; |
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| 22:34.43 | TonyD | dunno if it's better, tho, or if it depends on the plugins |
| 22:35.02 | abug | everything else you basically hide or replace if it will let you |
| 22:35.07 | TuX_BuBling | <TonyD> Discord Frame Manager << actually i want something more like mobileframes than moveanything |
| 22:35.15 | KiphereCE | well, the menu items and what not I'm leaving alone. |
| 22:35.27 | TuX_BuBling | something that make all your frames draguables at anytime |
| 22:35.38 | TuX_BuBling | like how you do on you computer :) |
| 22:35.40 | KiphereCE | but I'm going to be starting with the mainbar, then redoing buff bars, debuffs, inventory/bags, unit bars, minimap, etc. |
| 22:35.41 | TonyD | hey, Discord UI Builder will prolly be nice, if it ever comes out |
| 22:36.01 | TonyD | the mf ahncor thing bugged me |
| 22:36.11 | TonyD | i liked it in principle, but... |
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| 22:42.47 | Vile | I'm looking for some help for ClearFont - Latest Verson.. Possible Fix For Scaling Issue On Overlapped Text? |
| 22:42.49 | Qshadowp | omg thats lame |
| 22:42.59 | Qshadowp | moveanything isn't allowed to move GameMenuFrame |
| 22:43.08 | Qshadowp | why the hell did blizzard do that...damned lame. |
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| 22:44.12 | seebs | Okay, this is gonna be fun. |
| 22:44.23 | seebs | I am doing an update where I change my data format. |
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| 22:45.19 | seebs | Yay for version headers. Any bets on how many times I have to restore from my backup of my Saved Variables before it works? |
| 22:45.35 | Kirkburn|afk | Vile, how can I aid you? |
| 22:45.54 | ckknight | hey all |
| 22:45.57 | Kirkburn|afk | Is it a '...' issue? |
| 22:46.00 | Kirkburn|afk | Lo ckk |
| 22:46.55 | ckknight | in X-Chat, how do I set it to auto-join a channel that is passworded? |
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| 22:47.53 | Cide | read the .. FAQ |
| 22:48.00 | abug | burned! |
| 22:49.21 | seebs | Wow. |
| 22:49.26 | seebs | IT WORKED. |
| 22:49.35 | seebs | On the first try, no less. No data loss, even! |
| 22:50.42 | Vile | any help with this? |
| 22:51.12 | Vile | Kirk i private messaged you |
| 22:51.37 | ckknight | brb |
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| 22:52.02 | Vile | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:55.23 | Cairenn|afk | bleetah: that's the "auto-fill" feature on whatever bar you have (google, yahoo, whatever) ... turn it off, the white on yellow goes away |
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| 22:56.04 | St0rM | I discovered the same problem of mine is actually preventing AllInOneInventory from working |
| 22:56.22 | St0rM | I think it's better to wait them to fix it and look how they done =) |
| 22:57.27 | MrOuija1478 | Can any one help with ClearFont? |
| 22:57.39 | Kirkburn|afk | heh, I'm here, I'm here |
| 22:58.44 | bleetah | Cairenn|afk: i best go nuke it, humble apologies (didn't realise I had one installed.. stupid addons.. all of them.. for every program ;-) |
| 22:59.32 | bleetah | Kirkburn|afk: no you're not, you're AFK :-P |
| 22:59.32 | Kirkburn|afk | Can't a man read a book in peace these days? ;) |
| 22:59.36 | bleetah | read? wth?! ;) |
| 22:59.36 | cogwheel | MrOuija1478: Kirkburn|afk is the author... |
| 22:59.48 | Kirkburn|afk | cogwheel, chatting to him on PM atm |
| 23:00.02 | cogwheel | ah |
| 23:00.06 | Kirkburn|afk | Hey, it's Cycle of Hatred, quite enjoying it so far |
| 23:02.56 | Kirkburn|afk | Really enjoying the revelations in it, and the way it's based around WoW |
| 23:03.01 | Industrial | (fear of darkness) |
| 23:03.07 | Industrial | kickass intro |
| 23:03.08 | Industrial | :P |
| 23:03.26 | KiphereCE | I read a couple of the WoW books so far. |
| 23:03.29 | KiphereCE | love em. |
| 23:03.31 | Kirkburn|afk | Ratchet is a *big* port, not a tiny village ... wish WoW had more scale sometimes |
| 23:03.35 | KiphereCE | but I'm a lore geek. |
| 23:03.41 | bleetah | Don Quixote... again. Only 'coz I keep getting 'stuck' in Ulysses |
| 23:03.50 | Kirkburn|afk | Ah, a kindred spirit, KiphereCE |
| 23:04.10 | KiphereCE | I dont' play a game if theres no story to it. |
| 23:04.22 | KiphereCE | I don't RP either though, so I'm weird I suppose :p |
| 23:05.07 | Kirkburn|afk | I say stuff about one of the characters in Cycle of Hatred, but it would spoil it too much methinks. Safe to say, I shall be revisiting Dustwallow Marsh soon |
| 23:05.11 | Kirkburn|afk | *It says |
| 23:05.11 | Industrial | Kirkburn|afk: the orc on the front page has his weapons swapped - knife MH axe OH :P (could be a rogue but with spiked pauldrons? :S) |
| 23:05.17 | KiphereCE | I read well of eternity. |
| 23:05.22 | Kirkburn|afk | (dammit, I mean "I could say") |
| 23:05.29 | KiphereCE | makes you really apprecaite Saurfang as the brother of Broxigar heh |
| 23:05.41 | Kirkburn|afk | Industrial, hey that's true \o/ |
| 23:05.43 | KiphereCE | but I <3 horde so :p |
| 23:06.08 | Kirkburn|afk | Industrial, um, and the human...? |
| 23:06.11 | KiphereCE | Industrial, not everyone's mainhand is the same :p |
| 23:06.22 | Kirkburn|afk | Apparently both the orc and human are left-handed ... |
| 23:06.34 | KiphereCE | or are you looking at a mirror >_> |
| 23:06.37 | KiphereCE | <_< |
| 23:06.37 | bleetah | yeah, wish I could tell the game I'm left handed ;) |
| 23:06.58 | Industrial | ^^ |
| 23:07.40 | KiphereCE | anyone here remember the EQ1 model upgrade when it happened and how bad the offhand attack animations were? |
| 23:07.50 | KiphereCE | I think thats the first time in any game I went 'thank god I cant make my character left handed' |
| 23:08.11 | bleetah | heh |
| 23:08.24 | abug | don't talk about that game, I'm still in recovery |
| 23:08.52 | KiphereCE | I still havn't been able to figure out a good way to do my saved variables. |
| 23:09.08 | KiphereCE | this is my speedbump, once I'm over that I can start teaching myself how to put my own art assets on the screen. |
| 23:09.43 | Industrial | I kinda liked the mmorpg genre being so (relatively to wow) small. too bad wow ended that forever (things will only get bigger i bet) |
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| 23:10.59 | Industrial | remember when there was less Stupid(tm) in games? o well :P |
| 23:11.19 | KiphereCE | oooooh, feast of wintervail starts tonight |
| 23:11.23 | abug | it was sometimes cool not having quests exactly tell you what to do |
| 23:11.33 | JoshBorke | question for the croud! in UnitCastingInfo(<unit>), is the first parameter spell a non-localized value? |
| 23:11.46 | bleetah | bah, feast of winterfall... my brithday first |
| 23:12.05 | abug | ~UnitCastingInfo |
| 23:12.07 | Kirkburn|afk | Winterveil, nub, I don't think the furbolgs are hosting it ... |
| 23:12.11 | abug | purl, you suck |
| 23:12.12 | purl | no, *you* suck! |
| 23:12.34 | KiphereCE | I'm not speek american word |
| 23:12.41 | KiphereCE | -_- |
| 23:12.58 | KiphereCE | That or I went to public school, pick your poison. |
| 23:13.25 | Kirkburn|afk | Anthrax please. |
| 23:13.31 | KiphereCE | That band sucked. |
| 23:13.46 | KiphereCE | the racing boat game was pretty bad too. |
| 23:14.41 | JoshBorke | anyone not play enUS? |
| 23:14.43 | JoshBorke | or enGB? |
| 23:16.15 | abug | I play enEMO |
| 23:16.54 | abug | every ability ends in /wrists |
| 23:17.01 | Mikma | anUS |
| 23:17.09 | JoshBorke | :-( |
| 23:18.40 | KiphereCE | I see what you did there. |
| 23:19.17 | wereHamster|away | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=56616330&sid=1 - quote: "Why am I reduced to the skill level of a retarded hamster..." - To my knowledge, there never existed a retarded hamster, nor will there be any in the future, I can assure you!! |
| 23:20.02 | abug | wtf he's implying snales are slow |
| 23:20.03 | Thunder_Child | ~wrists |
| 23:20.13 | purl | You think you're getting blood on my carpet? Get outta here! |
| 23:20.37 | abug | whatever a snale is |
| 23:20.38 | Thunder_Child | hmmm...used to be different |
| 23:21.23 | Kaso | i wish i had a US account |
| 23:22.05 | Thunder_Child | i doubt it, you could prolly do w/o the 10yo's |
| 23:22.06 | abug | are people nicer outside of US servers? |
| 23:22.11 | Kaso | hell, if i wrote and important addons i'd code em to not work if the user was Naden@Mannoroth, thats. |
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| 23:23.43 | wereHamster|away | if GetCVar"realmName"=="Mannoroth" and UnitName"player"=="Naden" then return end |
| 23:33.49 | bleetah | wereHamster: if I thought I could get away with inserting code like that.... ;-) |
| 23:34.53 | Kaso | does anyone know about the new 2.0.2 tooltip:GetUnit\Target\Spell() ? |
| 23:34.59 | Kaso | Does It break on ClearLines() |
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| 23:43.41 | Neuro_Medivh | any of you really knowledgable regarding textures in WoW? |
| 23:44.55 | KiphereCE | whats 'really knowledgable' to you? ;) |
| 23:45.08 | KiphereCE | I've been reading up on various things in relation to textures since thats my next step but I'm a newb |
| 23:45.29 | Kaso | you might get more responces if you tell us your question |
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| 23:45.58 | Neuro_Medivh | I have two textures that give weird graphical errors... when I set them as the texture for a status bar (which is their intended purpose), they are broken up by small lines |
| 23:46.06 | Kirkburn|afk | Just finished Cycle of Hatred, great book :D |
| 23:46.26 | Neuro_Medivh | They are the same size and format as other, working textures |
| 23:47.15 | Neuro_Medivh | they just look like they've been chopped up and spread out across the status bar, instead of one smooth piece |
| 23:47.26 | KiphereCE | what format? |
| 23:47.40 | Neuro_Medivh | .tga |
| 23:47.59 | abug | cycle of hated needed more hot sticky thrall action |
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| 23:48.24 | KiphereCE | 32bit tga? |
| 23:48.57 | Neuro_Medivh | yes |
| 23:49.14 | KiphereCE | also the dimensions are pretty unforgiving so if its off it'll prolly freak out |
| 23:50.56 | Neuro_Medivh | dimensions are dead same as others, 256x16 |
| 23:51.02 | KiphereCE | the file has to end up as a factor of 12 no larger than 512x512 |
| 23:51.08 | KiphereCE | factor of 2~ |
| 23:51.09 | KiphereCE | not 12 |
| 23:51.54 | KiphereCE | hrm that shoudl work, what error are you getting? |
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| 23:52.20 | Neuro_Medivh | it's interspaced with small lines |
| 23:52.43 | Neuro_Medivh | vertical lines take up half the texture |
| 23:53.34 | Neuro_Medivh | happens on two textures, and I can't find anything special about them |
| 23:53.49 | Thunder_Child | WTB working UI |
| 23:53.59 | bleetah | wtb diffs |
| 23:54.17 | Neuro_Medivh | my UI works |
| 23:54.24 | Neuro_Medivh | defaultz ftw! |
| 23:54.38 | Thunder_Child | ~sigh Neuro_Medivh |
| 23:54.40 | purl | ACTION sighs, rolls its eyes and shakes its head, "Neuro_Medivh!" |
| 23:55.41 | abug | ~parse |
| 23:55.54 | abug | ~parse http://www.google.com |
| 23:55.55 | purl | ACTION will make you think parse http://www.google.com!!!!!!!!! |
| 23:58.31 | Kaso | I wonder if someone could pose a question for me, in the 2.0.2 thread. |
| 23:58.44 | Corrodias | something like, "why isn't this live, yet?"? |
| 23:59.23 | Kaso | Does using ClearLines() prevent GetItem\Unit\Spell() from returning the Item\Unit\Spell that was on the Tooltip Before or do those functions return correctlty until another SetX() function is called? |
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