| 00:00.00 | Gnarfoz | google has a data center near earth's core for sure, same distance routes from everywhere! |
| 00:00.35 | Cairenn | [Cu]Werik: and just like siblings the world over, sometimes we fight :p |
| 00:00.45 | [Cu]Werik | :) |
| 00:01.16 | Gnarfoz | any specific reason for the move? |
| 00:02.55 | [Cu]Werik | If I tell you... |
| 00:03.39 | Gnarfoz | you'd have to kill me? ;p |
| 00:03.58 | [Cu]Werik | I love rhetorical questions |
| 00:04.23 | Gnarfoz | =p |
| 00:04.48 | abug | are enGB combat log messages always the same as enUS messages? |
| 00:05.11 | foxlit_ | enGB isn't even a locale |
| 00:05.25 | abug | oh, well that answers that |
| 00:06.04 | [Cu]Werik | Why not? |
| 00:06.19 | abug | although...http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetLocale |
| 00:07.04 | Gnarfoz | haven't seen any string in enGB differ from enUS, yet... even my enGB honor tab is titled 'honor' instead of 'honour' |
| 00:07.18 | [Cu]Werik | There are a lot of differences;) |
| 00:07.53 | abug | is the combat message structure the same? |
| 00:08.15 | abug | aside from differences in ability names and what not |
| 00:08.16 | Mikma | paskanaama |
| 00:08.36 | Mikma | s/paskanaama/mt/ |
| 00:08.44 | [Cu]Werik | some words and expressions are different, but I think the structure of the language is the same:) |
| 00:09.10 | abug | thanks |
| 00:09.14 | Gnarfoz | hm. out of sheer curiosity, I'd some day like to see a diff |
| 00:09.22 | silv | Kirov: thanks for the link thats exactly what I needed :) |
| 00:09.31 | Gnarfoz | from enUS globalstrings and enGB globalstrings |
| 00:10.54 | Kirov | If you're really worried about parsing the combat log from different localizations, use Ace2's parser or make your own that works off of the global strings |
| 00:11.43 | abug | Ace2 has all the possible messages for different chat events? |
| 00:11.51 | Gnarfoz | ParserLib should |
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| 00:14.55 | Tem | foxlit, yes, it is possible to have something be click-through |
| 00:15.03 | Tem | foxlit, object:EnableMouse(false) |
| 00:17.13 | foxlit | Ah, thanks :) |
| 00:25.42 | AnduinLothar | Finally, new DamageMeters finished http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5294-DamageMeters.html |
| 00:26.02 | foxlit | what's new? |
| 00:26.10 | AnduinLothar | read the changelog |
| 00:26.17 | foxlit | boring! |
| 00:26.24 | foxlit | "*Fixed bug with menus going offscreen. (DropDownList1 & 2 are now 'clamped to screen')" |
| 00:27.08 | AnduinLothar | well that's the last sub vers. But the last public non-cosmos version was 5.3.2 |
| 00:28.27 | AnduinLothar | I spent like a week debugging for the 5.5.2 fix and never found the problem, so i just bypassed it by making it work differently |
| 00:32.25 | foxlit | Hence the question, rather than reading the changelogs :) |
| 00:36.41 | AnduinLothar | lazy |
| 00:38.06 | AnduinLothar | if you want to be entertained you could read the last 2 pages of curse notes tho |
| 00:38.06 | AnduinLothar | http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/files/details/567/damagemeters/ |
| 00:38.30 | Cairenn | later guys, kiddo needs the computer again ... I'll be damn glad when we figure out what's wrong with hers, so I can have mine back |
| 00:38.40 | AnduinLothar | keeping in mind i actually have a life and a girlfriend, have been to 2 parties int he past week and have had a choir performance every night |
| 00:38.41 | foxlit | curse isn't cooperating :( |
| 00:38.55 | AnduinLothar | cya cair |
| 00:39.04 | AnduinLothar | and now i have a cold :( |
| 00:39.18 | AnduinLothar | but i still have to go to choir |
| 00:39.29 | AnduinLothar | cause my parents are coming tonight and the director is a nazi |
| 00:40.07 | AnduinLothar | i'd upload to curse, but i can't get to the files page |
| 00:40.17 | AnduinLothar | so those bastards can suffer till tomorrow |
| 00:40.40 | [Cu]Werik | Tomorrow is almost here :) |
| 00:40.47 | AnduinLothar | it's 5pm |
| 00:40.50 | [Cu]Werik | Actually, it is already here |
| 00:40.51 | AnduinLothar | almost |
| 00:41.17 | foxlit | Did PickUpInventoryItem become unhookable for some reason? |
| 00:41.33 | AnduinLothar | no, but it taints UseInventoryItem |
| 00:41.47 | AnduinLothar | so that you have to right click to cast item enchants |
| 00:42.15 | AnduinLothar | suppossedly fixed in 2.0.2 |
| 00:45.16 | foxlit | Hm, interesting. |
| 00:45.25 | foxlit | Hook still works, something else broke. |
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| 00:59.22 | *** topic/#wowi-lounge is Paste Code Here: http://wowi.pastey.net/ | Mod Author guilds on Hellfire (US) and on Tempest Keep (EU). CastSpell (A)/TargetUnit(H) | TBC Release Date 16 Jan 07 |
| 01:05.00 | foxlit | Question: SecureUnitButton_OnLoad(this, "player", function() RAB_Print("hi!"); end ); |
| 01:05.10 | foxlit | Gives no text output when right clicked |
| 01:05.33 | foxlit | why? |
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| 01:18.07 | *** topic/#wowi-lounge is Paste Code Here: http://wowi.pastey.net/ | Mod Author guilds on Hellfire (US) and on Tempest Keep (EU). CastSpell (A)/TargetUnit(H) | TBC Release Date 16 Jan 07 |
| 01:18.12 | abug | purl, you jerk |
| 01:18.26 | abug | purl, whaleslap purl |
| 01:18.27 | purl | ACTION beats purl upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 01:21.34 | Cide | foxlit: did you setattribute("unit", <something>? |
| 01:21.43 | Cide | s/?/)?/ |
| 01:22.51 | foxlit | Yep |
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| 01:25.08 | foxlit | Even do a SecureUnitButton_OnLoad(this, "player", xtest); |
| 01:25.19 | foxlit | which is basically |
| 01:25.19 | foxlit | self:SetAttribute("type1", "target"); |
| 01:25.20 | foxlit | self:SetAttribute("type*", "menu"); |
| 01:25.20 | foxlit | self:SetAttribute("unit", unit); |
| 01:25.20 | foxlit | self.menu = menufunc; |
| 01:27.32 | foxlit | Problem is it only seems to work for leftmouseclick, type* seems to be ignored |
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| 01:34.54 | foxlit | Do I need to register it for right clicks or something? |
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| 01:40.51 | abug | ask ckknight |
| 01:41.21 | ckknight | hey all |
| 01:45.33 | abug | purl, ping |
| 01:45.53 | purl | pong |
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| 01:45.55 | Qshadowp | purl, emulate purl |
| 01:46.00 | purl | ACTION tries to look like herself. |
| 01:46.09 | abug | zomg purl is a gurl? |
| 01:46.30 | abug | I had no idea |
| 01:48.20 | Qshadowp | kik :P |
| 01:48.24 | Qshadowp | s/kik/lol/ |
| 01:52.13 | Esamynn | ~seen gello |
| 01:52.49 | purl | gello <n=chatzill@hmpdmehed51-pool3-a127.hmpdme.tds.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 20d 19h 53m 14s ago, saying: 'if you do <PushedTexture file="same file"><TexCoords left=".1" right=".9" top=".1" bottom=".9"/></PushedTexture> then it will look like it "pushes" without needing new artwork'. |
| 01:53.13 | abug | ~seen purl |
| 01:53.16 | purl | purl is currently on #casualti (35m 9s) #botpark (35m 9s) #linuxfund (35m 9s) #wowi-lounge (35m 9s) # (35m 9s) #edev (35m 9s) #fossfund (35m 9s) #hosernet (35m 9s) #norganna (35m 9s) #creativeforum (35m 9s) #ud (35m 9s) #dub (35m 9s) #teleconf (35m 9s) #openezx (35m 9s) #bz-inc (35m 9s) #pegasos.org ... |
| 01:53.37 | Rophy | is there any auctioneer-like mod which is updated for WoW2.0? |
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| 01:53.53 | abug | auctioneer werks good fer 2.0 |
| 01:54.01 | abug | just gotta get the alpha version |
| 01:54.09 | Kaelten | KC_Items is also working |
| 01:54.25 | Rophy | both alpha versions? |
| 01:54.26 | abug | and disable bottomgrabber or whatever it's called if you have pricing problems |
| 01:54.51 | Kaelten | Rophy: KC_items is considered a release, most of the bugs have been sorted out |
| 01:54.52 | abug | bottomscanner I think |
| 01:54.56 | Rophy | I'll try KC_I then. |
| 01:54.59 | Rophy | thanks. |
| 01:55.17 | Kaelten | rohpy get the one from www.wowace.com\files |
| 01:55.37 | Rophy | nod |
| 01:55.40 | Kaelten | it has more bug fixes than the one on wowinterface or the other sites |
| 01:56.59 | Rophy | still Ace1? :p |
| 01:57.16 | Kaelten | ya, I'm working on the Ace2 upgrade now |
| 01:58.23 | Kirov | Kaelten - a couple people were noticing an issue with KCI and SimpleActionSets |
| 01:58.35 | Kirov | Basically I use SetHyperlink(itemid) instead of ItemLink |
| 01:58.49 | Kirov | KCI breaks if it's not item:0:0:0:0 format |
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| 01:59.09 | VII|Beherit | hi there |
| 01:59.19 | VII|Beherit | is there something like an afk timer |
| 01:59.37 | VII|Beherit | so which shows me "2mins left until afk" |
| 02:04.05 | Neuro | No, but I'm sure you could build one. |
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| 02:28.20 | Kirkburn | Btw, I've got ClearFont2 on the Ace SVN /branches now if anyone wants to try it out :) |
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| 03:30.59 | malreth | RAWRbaby |
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| 03:40.06 | seebs | Hey, anyone about? |
| 03:40.29 | seebs | I am looking for some suggestions on interface cleanup for my mod. I can code just about anything plausible; I'm just trying to think of something that'd be usable. |
| 03:42.15 | Kirov | mkay |
| 03:44.29 | [Liquidor] | I didn't get your sentence |
| 03:44.52 | Cide | we all are, seebs :) |
| 03:45.22 | Saeris | Is unpack() an expensive function? |
| 03:45.51 | Cide | not really.. try it :) |
| 03:47.37 | Kiphere|Party | back |
| 03:49.31 | KiphereCE | went and saw eragon after the party. |
| 03:49.33 | KiphereCE | was pretty good |
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| 03:52.10 | seebs | So, here's the deal. I have a fairly large pop-up list of events. Large enough, in fact, that it's becoming annoying. |
| 03:52.30 | seebs | I am toying with making it into two lists; one of things like "spell" or "combat", and then a second pop-up list for the specific event. |
| 03:52.44 | seebs | Like, "Cast" or "Failed" for spells, or "Hit" or "Miss" for combat. |
| 03:52.50 | seebs | Would that be usable? |
| 03:53.00 | seebs | I'm trying not to annoy the player. |
| 03:54.19 | KiphereCE | I dunno if i understand what you're talkin about |
| 03:54.31 | KiphereCE | like a sct type thing? |
| 03:57.06 | Kirkburn | Erk, I'm getting some scary memory increases atm |
| 03:57.51 | Kirkburn | No idea what's causing it |
| 03:58.17 | KiphereCE | I hear ginko biloba can increase your memory |
| 04:01.20 | KiphereCE | erm, why would adding an offset to a button inside a frame make my frame stop working? |
| 04:01.24 | KiphereCE | (xml) |
| 04:03.57 | KiphereCE | ok, nm. I hate this xml editor. |
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| 04:09.00 | KiphereCE | grumble. |
| 04:09.33 | KiphereCE | anyone here that wouldnt mind checkin a pastey for me real fast, simple XML and I dunno why its not working. I'm lookin at one of the blizzard UI xmls as an example and all but cut and pasting the syntax |
| 04:10.56 | KiphereCE | http://pastey.net/3677 |
| 04:11.02 | KiphereCE | if anyone gets a moment, gonna go back to fiddling with it. |
| 04:11.15 | Saeris | What part doesn't work? |
| 04:11.46 | seebs | Kiphere: It's AnnoyRP. I let the user define "events" to watch for. Currently, I have a huge pop-up list of about twenty types of events. |
| 04:12.20 | seebs | My goal is to find some way to make the list shorter so it's easier for the user to read it. |
| 04:12.31 | KiphereCE | Saeris: It puts the action button, dead center at the bottom of the screen. |
| 04:12.54 | KiphereCE | nothing I do in the offset moves it. |
| 04:13.06 | KiphereCE | so I'm either misunderstanding offset or my syntax is jacked. |
| 04:13.25 | KiphereCE | Seeps: how does it work? like SCT as far as junk showing up on the screen or in chat window, or like a pop up window? |
| 04:14.24 | seebs | Once it finds the events, your character says whatever you defined for that event, however often you said to. |
| 04:14.45 | Kirov | KiphereCE - where did you want the button to be? |
| 04:14.52 | seebs | So, for instance, if you have an event { Spell Cast, "Corruption", 10 }, then 10% of the time, when you cast Corruption, it'll say something from the list you defined. |
| 04:15.18 | KiphereCE | Kirov, Anywhere that's not a default "Point", I'm just tryin to figure out hwo to manipulate items inside of frames. |
| 04:15.43 | KiphereCE | ohhhh, its flavor text |
| 04:15.47 | KiphereCE | I got ya seebs, sorry. |
| 04:15.49 | seebs | Yup. |
| 04:15.58 | seebs | Anyway, I just wanna improve the interface for picking an event type. |
| 04:16.09 | KiphereCE | well, is the list really large? |
| 04:16.23 | seebs | Yeah, maybe 20 so far, and people have asked for more. |
| 04:16.26 | KiphereCE | you could do a tabbed gui with checkboxes maybe? |
| 04:16.47 | KiphereCE | hrm |
| 04:16.51 | KiphereCE | really depends on how big. |
| 04:16.58 | seebs | Well, it's a scrolling list of "events". I was thinking of making there be two buttons, and the first one is something like "spell" or "combat", and then the second is the specific event. |
| 04:17.29 | Kirov | seebs - take a look at Mik's Scrolling Battle Text |
| 04:18.01 | seebs | The big list of checkboxes wouldn't fit well; each item is supposed to be just one thing, and I recognize a lot of events that are normally ignored. |
| 04:18.20 | Kirov | seebs - instead of a list, it lets you "watch" for events, then you do what you want it to watch for, and then it gives you a list of things it saw happen to choose from. |
| 04:18.25 | seebs | For instance, I recognize "Tick 5" for the 5th second of casting a given spell. (Not the ticks like a HoT/DoT, but just spellcast time.) |
| 04:18.30 | KiphereCE | ok, I'm probably still misunderstanding. I thought you select a specific event like a specific spell, then a phrase, and a frequency |
| 04:19.02 | seebs | Well, for the event part, it's close, except that you pick an event type, like "spell cast" or "spell failed", and then a keyword to look for. |
| 04:19.07 | KiphereCE | it sounds like its a little less controlled than what I was thinking |
| 04:19.09 | seebs | So you might have { Spell Cast, Corruption } |
| 04:19.31 | seebs | The thing is, the list of possible events is huge, and I have a scrolling list of all the separate things you watch for. |
| 04:19.35 | Kirov | KiphereCE - The UI assumes the screen is a res of 1024x768 at all times |
| 04:19.41 | seebs | So each individual thing has to fit onto one line of the UI. |
| 04:20.06 | KiphereCE | Kirov: ok, but why doesnt it move the button off its anchor point? |
| 04:20.33 | Kirov | if you have a wide screen or 1280x1024 screen it's a little different, but for the most part -200 would be (200/768)*you screen res pixes |
| 04:20.50 | KiphereCE | I assumed the code as I have it would (in order) select its anchor point, attach it to the defined point on the parent frame, and then move it X, Y, off that point. |
| 04:21.05 | Kirov | yes |
| 04:21.09 | KiphereCE | well it doesnt lol |
| 04:21.31 | KiphereCE | 200 is something I should be able to visibly detect in either x or y :P and its slap dab in the middle of the parent frame still |
| 04:21.42 | KiphereCE | but that reso info is good info to have |
| 04:21.46 | KiphereCE | so thanks for that hehe |
| 04:22.19 | KiphereCE | I assume size and offset play by the same rules of scale. |
| 04:22.53 | Kirov | yes |
| 04:22.56 | Kirov | sec |
| 04:23.08 | KiphereCE | so if I have a button of 10x10 and a window of 200x200, setting an anchor of left, to left, offset x=10 y=0, should put it 10 pix off the left wall in the vertical center of the frame |
| 04:23.20 | Kirov | ok |
| 04:23.28 | Kirov | so, the bug is it's AbsDimension, not AbsDimensions |
| 04:23.53 | Kirov | <Offset x=1 y=5/> is also acceptable syntax |
| 04:24.12 | KiphereCE | well son of a bitch rofl. |
| 04:24.18 | KiphereCE | heh, thanks. |
| 04:24.26 | Kirov | That's not documented _anywhere_ |
| 04:24.34 | KiphereCE | the offset thing? |
| 04:24.39 | Kirov | yeah |
| 04:24.41 | KiphereCE | or the lack of an s cause i"m a tard? ;) |
| 04:24.51 | Kirov | the offset |
| 04:25.02 | KiphereCE | killer, more good to know stuff. |
| 04:25.18 | Kirov | also, here's another little snippet you'll love |
| 04:25.31 | Kirov | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:26.19 | Kirov | Stick that in your frame and you'll be able to drag it around (with moveable=true and enablemouse=true |
| 04:26.49 | KiphereCE | will it stick to my mouse though >< |
| 04:26.53 | KiphereCE | cause that makes me a sad panda. |
| 04:27.23 | KiphereCE | another quick question, more for clarity. |
| 04:27.29 | KiphereCE | you see the part where i have Absinset |
| 04:27.53 | Kirov | yeah |
| 04:28.02 | KiphereCE | for the background inset, I assumed that took the frame size and then created the background visibly inside by the dimensions I dictated. |
| 04:28.08 | KiphereCE | so the frame is actualy bigger than the visible area |
| 04:28.25 | KiphereCE | am I understanding the tag right? |
| 04:28.29 | Kirov | yes |
| 04:28.32 | KiphereCE | ok cool. |
| 04:28.50 | Kirov | remove the background insets and that'll show the "true" size of the frame |
| 04:29.03 | KiphereCE | is there a functional reason I'd do the insets? |
| 04:29.12 | KiphereCE | tahts cut and paste from a blizzard XML. |
| 04:29.31 | Kirov | Because the edge graphics can only go as far as the edge of the frame |
| 04:29.38 | KiphereCE | ahh |
| 04:29.54 | KiphereCE | which means it'd chop em if i made the background the exact size of the frame itself. |
| 04:30.13 | KiphereCE | assuming the edge files have a centerline that lines up with the edge of the background. |
| 04:30.58 | Kirov | it doesn't |
| 04:31.15 | KiphereCE | I've never worked with edgefiles before or anything like it honestly. |
| 04:31.19 | Kirov | the edge files just put their outside edge on the frame and scale themselves |
| 04:31.33 | KiphereCE | I don't follow |
| 04:31.57 | KiphereCE | are they basically tiny boxes before they're applied? |
| 04:32.12 | Kirov | sec |
| 04:32.25 | KiphereCE | well that wouldnt make sense for a non 'box' frame |
| 04:34.09 | Kirov | http://www.wowwiki.com/EdgeFiles |
| 04:35.41 | KiphereCE | oh |
| 04:35.49 | KiphereCE | its exactly like a border |
| 04:37.49 | KiphereCE | cool, thanks for that. I hadn't seen that during my wiki diving |
| 04:38.07 | Kirov | it's hard to find |
| 04:38.36 | KiphereCE | doesnt look like its possible to tell it to only put an edge file on one side or not though. |
| 04:38.46 | KiphereCE | like if I wanted to make a frame shaped like an L. |
| 04:38.54 | KiphereCE | which would have ot be two overlapping frams I'm sure |
| 04:39.13 | KiphereCE | or two frames beside each other I should say. |
| 04:39.22 | KiphereCE | a _ and a | |
| 04:39.36 | Kirov | yes, and you'd have to construct the edges yourself |
| 04:39.52 | KiphereCE | what about things like the loot window. |
| 04:39.59 | KiphereCE | they have a box, and a little box and a rectangle. |
| 04:40.10 | KiphereCE | oh nm |
| 04:40.15 | KiphereCE | it uses its own custome edgefile |
| 04:40.16 | KiphereCE | :p |
| 04:43.44 | Kirov | Most of Blizzard's frames don't use an edge file at all. |
| 04:43.55 | KiphereCE | oh? |
| 04:44.00 | Kirov | They've constructed the backgrounds entirely in photoshop and put the peices together |
| 04:44.14 | KiphereCE | oh, since they assume no need for resizing |
| 04:44.21 | Kirov | look at your paper doll frame (Character Info) |
| 04:44.36 | KiphereCE | yeah? |
| 04:44.43 | Kirov | That's 4 peices for the background ... 1 set for each tab. |
| 04:44.54 | KiphereCE | ahh. |
| 04:45.06 | KiphereCE | which explains why I couldnt find the art for a mainhand slot :p |
| 04:45.16 | Kirov | That does actually exist by itself. |
| 04:46.26 | Kirov | Interface\PaperDoll\UI-PaperDoll-Slot-MainHand |
| 04:46.46 | KiphereCE | what on earth was I looking in before that I couldnt find that. |
| 04:46.47 | KiphereCE | blah |
| 04:47.22 | KiphereCE | a second frustration of mine is the file formats fro the graphics. I havn't tried super hard but I can't get transparency to work on a custom graphic saving in tga format |
| 04:47.35 | KiphereCE | it has to be possible, I've seen custom graphics with an obvious transparency |
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| 04:48.52 | Kirov | What are you using to make them? |
| 04:49.51 | KiphereCE | fireworks. |
| 04:50.00 | KiphereCE | I need to reinstall photoshop I suppose. |
| 04:50.25 | KiphereCE | I do better work in fireworks, but i prefer working with vectors |
| 04:50.47 | Kirov | well, I've never used Fireworks, so I can't speak to how it saves it's tga files |
| 04:50.52 | Kirov | could you send one to me? |
| 04:50.58 | Kirov | or post it someplace as a.tga |
| 04:52.04 | KiphereCE | yeah, lemme grab the little BS test I did earlier. |
| 04:52.14 | KiphereCE | I'm wholly unfamiliar with the format, I've never used it before. |
| 04:52.35 | KiphereCE | hrm, whats a good spot to drop it? |
| 04:53.24 | Kirov | ben@golus.org |
| 04:55.04 | KiphereCE | nm, I rmember what my problem was earlie rnow. |
| 04:55.07 | KiphereCE | I cant save in tga. |
| 04:55.18 | KiphereCE | I have to save it off as something else then convert it, and the conversion kills the transparency |
| 04:56.03 | KiphereCE | which is why I was digging around for my photoshop sn :p |
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| 04:58.40 | Kirov | Can you save as .png? |
| 04:59.09 | KiphereCE | yeah |
| 04:59.22 | Kirov | with alpha |
| 04:59.29 | KiphereCE | not with fireworks I don't think |
| 04:59.46 | KiphereCE | I know photoshop can do it and I have a legal copy of whatever was 'new' last year when I bought it :p |
| 04:59.57 | KiphereCE | just gotta find the book I wrote the key in |
| 05:04.28 | Kirov | what version of fireworks are you using? |
| 05:05.07 | KiphereCE | 8 |
| 05:09.15 | KiphereCE | ok, the pixel math is fuckin with my head. |
| 05:09.30 | KiphereCE | going to design in its default environment so I don't have to do stupid conversions. |
| 05:09.39 | Kirov | KiphereCE - you can export as a .png with alpha just fine |
| 05:09.45 | Kirov | just work with a transparent background |
| 05:10.07 | KiphereCE | I assume if I build in 1024x768 then up my res in game it'll be fine. |
| 05:10.28 | KiphereCE | I didn't mess with it too extensively earlier, the one thing I hate about fireworks is its export method |
| 05:10.43 | Kirov | SaveAs |
| 05:10.45 | Kirov | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info6127-.html |
| 05:10.53 | KiphereCE | thats that? |
| 05:10.56 | Kirov | also, all graphics files must be multiples of 2 |
| 05:11.00 | Kirov | (in width / height) |
| 05:11.04 | Kirov | so, 32x32 |
| 05:11.07 | KiphereCE | yeah. |
| 05:11.08 | Kirov | or 1024x1024 |
| 05:11.13 | KiphereCE | actualy functions of two ;) |
| 05:11.21 | Kirov | or 512x16 |
| 05:11.23 | KiphereCE | technically 12 is a multiple but I don't believe it'll work. |
| 05:11.25 | Kirov | sorry, powers of 2 |
| 05:11.29 | Kirov | yeah |
| 05:11.45 | Kirov | wow doesn't understand .tga |
| 05:11.46 | KiphereCE | then I can stretch till my poor little graphics are mutilated. |
| 05:11.49 | Kirov | er .png |
| 05:11.55 | KiphereCE | aye, I'll have to convert it. |
| 05:11.57 | Kirov | it only knows .tga and .blp (wow's own format) |
| 05:12.06 | Kirov | that's a .png to .blp converter |
| 05:12.07 | KiphereCE | I'm a little worried about it losing the transparency when i convert it though |
| 05:12.17 | Kirov | should be fine |
| 05:12.22 | KiphereCE | oh, cool. |
| 05:12.27 | KiphereCE | I was using infran to go from png to tga |
| 05:12.28 | Neuro | can you not set the alpha? |
| 05:13.03 | Neuro | Kiphere, why can't you use SetAlpha to set the desired transparency? |
| 05:14.08 | KiphereCE | because that effects the entire image? |
| 05:14.51 | KiphereCE | say I wanna make a dagger and display it on the screen by itself, there's gonna be 'blank space' anywhere theres not 'dagger' |
| 05:15.00 | KiphereCE | cause the file is obviously not gonna be 'dagger shaped' ;) |
| 05:16.30 | KiphereCE | hrm' |
| 05:16.31 | KiphereCE | thats nto good. |
| 05:16.40 | KiphereCE | my allignment changes with differences in resolution |
| 05:17.04 | KiphereCE | which means I need to use relative instead of absolute and I suck at relative |
| 05:17.17 | Kirov | How are you trying to align it |
| 05:17.26 | KiphereCE | btw, kirov, that file you linked me says its blp2png, does it go backwards? |
| 05:17.41 | KiphereCE | I mean aligning things inside the frame. |
| 05:17.55 | KiphereCE | like I just added a header box to my frame and wanted teh text 'OMG FRAME' in the middle of it. |
| 05:18.17 | KiphereCE | because of the insets the offset on the fontstring is funky |
| 05:18.25 | KiphereCE | looks great in 1024, looks off in 1280 |
| 05:18.44 | Kirov | KiphereCE - backwards as in blp -> png? |
| 05:19.17 | KiphereCE | no, thats what the file does apparently. |
| 05:19.23 | KiphereCE | can I not go back from png to blp? |
| 05:19.52 | KiphereCE | nevermind. |
| 05:19.53 | Kirov | It converts BLP to PNG, and PNG to BLP |
| 05:19.55 | KiphereCE | jesus I'm slow today |
| 05:19.58 | KiphereCE | I missed that part. |
| 05:20.03 | KiphereCE | I'm normally not this stupid. |
| 05:20.33 | Kirov | That's fine, I am |
| 05:20.37 | KiphereCE | actualy, beer just ran out. I think tahts a great sign to call it for the night. |
| 05:20.49 | KiphereCE | thanks a lot for the help, especially that offset thing. |
| 05:21.00 | KiphereCE | it's already making my tiny xml look cleaner |
| 05:21.01 | Kirov | ok, so, I saved a .png from Fireworks 8, converted it to a .blp and it's in the game now |
| 05:21.13 | KiphereCE | transparency intact? |
| 05:21.15 | Kirov | Yep |
| 05:21.27 | KiphereCE | killer, that'll be my next thing to try |
| 05:21.41 | Kirov | Just change the canvas color to transparent next time you make a new image in Fireworks |
| 05:21.45 | KiphereCE | making my own background pattern with transparencies then making 'hotspot' graphics |
| 05:21.55 | KiphereCE | I always work on transparent backgrounds. |
| 05:22.02 | KiphereCE | I prolly just screwed up teh export cause I was in a rush |
| 05:22.25 | KiphereCE | anyway, thanks again. |
| 05:22.29 | Kirov | np |
| 05:22.37 | KiphereCE | gonna hit the sack now, gotta go tree shopping tomorrow then its codejockeying all day |
| 05:22.45 | KiphereCE | the xml is coming to me a lot faster than the lua :p |
| 05:23.13 | Kiphere|Sleep | purl, goodnight. |
| 05:23.20 | purl | Have a goodnight! |
| 05:23.28 | Kiphere|Sleep | night ;) |
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| 05:43.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Who knows what a white box around someone in grid means? |
| 05:43.45 | Kirov | Their super! |
| 05:44.20 | Mike-N-Go | ScytheBlade1: like who? |
| 05:46.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Not sure... just a white border |
| 05:46.24 | Mike-N-Go | Ok, well, I can't help you unless you give me an example of who has that. |
| 05:53.59 | Mike-N-Go | Anyone know how I can use Damage Meters, what I want to do is shift the window down so it does not interfere with FuBar... |
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| 05:57.16 | Mike-N-Go | If anyone could help me with this, too, I would be grateful: |
| 05:57.36 | Mike-N-Go | I am unable to get my spare action bars to go away. |
| 05:58.04 | Mike-N-Go | I unchecked the box in the preferences, but it is still there. |
| 05:58.19 | Kirov | Mike-N-Go - are they blizzard's action bars? |
| 05:58.56 | Mike-N-Go | Yes |
| 05:59.19 | Kirov | And you pressed "Okay" at the bottom after unchecking them? |
| 06:00.18 | Mike-N-Go | Leftovers from the default UI, I think they store it on the server because when I reset my wtf, etc. folders they are still there :( |
| 06:00.33 | Mike-N-Go | And I press the Okay button, yes. |
| 06:01.44 | Mike-N-Go | ::gasp:: |
| 06:01.59 | Mike-N-Go | Some addon must be preventing them from going away. |
| 06:02.06 | Mike-N-Go | I disabled all addons :( |
| 06:02.21 | Mike-N-Go | I guess I will find witch one is doing it... |
| 06:03.46 | Mike-N-Go | LOL, solved. |
| 06:03.53 | Mike-N-Go | CT was the problem. |
| 06:04.01 | Mike-N-Go | Thanks for your help! |
| 06:05.42 | Mike-N-Go | But about moving Damage Meters's frame, how would I do that? |
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| 06:14.00 | Mike-N-Go | Are the bars that some addons place on the toons help any? |
| 06:14.00 | Mike-N-Go | The ones that show distance or something. |
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| 06:14.03 | Mike-N-Go | I got an error http://norganna.pastey.net/3679 |
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| 06:22.13 | Cairenn | ~lart cladhaire |
| 06:22.22 | cladhaire | lol |
| 06:22.23 | Cairenn | ewwww |
| 06:22.39 | Cairenn | who put that one in there? had to have been someone in the ace channel :p |
| 06:22.58 | Cairenn | buncha pervs |
| 06:24.03 | ckknight | we pervs have feelings too |
| 06:24.10 | Mike-N-Go | Yuck! |
| 06:24.20 | ckknight | I dunno who put that there, though |
| 06:24.28 | Cairenn | ckknight: ;) |
| 06:24.29 | ckknight | ~listinfo lart |
| 06:24.40 | ckknight | ~listkeys lart |
| 06:24.46 | Mike-N-Go | ~factoid lart |
| 06:25.02 | ckknight | ~factoid CMD: lart (.*?) |
| 06:26.28 | Mike-N-Go | I have TrinityButtons addon spamming "KeyBinding Active" on my screen... |
| 06:27.05 | Mike-N-Go | Anyone know how to stop that? |
| 06:27.37 | Kamaris | Does anyone know of a good tutorial that shows how to make the UI for your mod like that of ctmod option panel or SW stats? |
| 06:28.45 | Mike-N-Go | Kamaris: Ask someone in the CT_Mod team :) |
| 06:33.06 | Mike-N-Go | What does http://www.ctprofiles.net/ do? |
| 06:33.34 | Cairenn | precisely what it says |
| 06:34.26 | Mike-N-Go | What load across what, I don't understand. |
| 06:35.11 | Cairenn | that's just explaining why the site is slow and stuff, has nothing to do with what the site *does* |
| 06:35.40 | Mike-N-Go | What do the classes, guilds, and race etc. have to do with it? |
| 06:35.58 | Kamaris | O.o |
| 06:36.08 | Cairenn | Mike-N-Go: it's somewhere for you to create a profile of your character |
| 06:36.24 | Cairenn | so you can show it off to other people |
| 06:36.26 | Kamaris | to showcase your gear, stats, rep, etc |
| 06:36.41 | Cairenn | "ooo, go here, look at all this neat stuff I've got, aren't I uber?" |
| 06:36.42 | Mike-N-Go | Oh, ok, thanks. |
| 06:36.59 | Mike-N-Go | Do you have a moment, Cairenn? |
| 06:37.43 | Cairenn | I have a couple, yes, about to go to bed soon though, it's late here |
| 06:38.42 | Mike-N-Go | Can you delete the spair patch update by me please on http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info6139-AutoMailDirector.html, if you could. Thanks. |
| 06:38.43 | Kamaris | pwned |
| 06:39.07 | Mike-N-Go | spare* |
| 06:39.17 | Cairenn | gone |
| 06:39.33 | Cairenn | sorry I forgot to poof it before, I remember you asking |
| 06:41.11 | Mike-N-Go | And I thank you for doing. |
| 06:41.35 | Mike-N-Go | I will try to remember to upload it correctly, next time, lol. :P |
| 06:41.46 | Cairenn | heh, no worries |
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| 07:29.46 | Mike-N-Go | Humm, for some reason the little numbers on the defalt action bar are not working |
| 07:30.05 | Mike-N-Go | There not there and I can't use my 1 through = to use them... |
| 07:40.28 | Mike-N-Go | Humm |
| 07:40.40 | Mike-N-Go | And, I disabled all addons and this still happens... |
| 07:41.40 | Cairenn | did you go to keybindings and make sure they are actually bound? |
| 07:42.09 | Mike-N-Go | Ahh, that could be it. |
| 07:42.15 | Mike-N-Go | I will check there next. |
| 07:42.32 | Mike-N-Go | It is the qw keys on the one bar :( |
| 07:42.52 | Mike-N-Go | The text does not show up.. |
| 07:43.02 | Mike-N-Go | That goes in the Action bar. |
| 07:43.41 | Mike-N-Go | Thanks, that did it! |
| 07:46.19 | abug | +1 Cairenn |
| 07:48.37 | Mike-N-Go | This TrinityButtons thing does not function well for me, lol. |
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| 07:51.35 | Mike-N-Go | Thanks for your help, Cairenn, and adming wowi! |
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| 07:51.50 | Cairenn | my pleasure Mike-N-Go |
| 07:56.45 | Mike-N-Go | Another question: How can I get the the chat frame moved up a few pixils to not conflict with the pet bar via pushing from FuBar? |
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| 07:58.14 | ckknight | Mike-N-Go, unlock the chatframe, move it |
| 08:02.56 | Mike-N-Go | Where is this option? |
| 08:04.10 | Cairenn | Mike-N-Go: interface options |
| 08:05.40 | Mike-N-Go | I am not seeing it. |
| 08:06.18 | Cairenn | look harder |
| 08:07.24 | Mike-N-Go | What is it titled as? |
| 08:07.32 | Cairenn | "lock chat settings" |
| 08:08.28 | Cairenn | Mike-N-Go: there are two tabs under interface options, if it isn't under one, it's under the other |
| 08:08.54 | Mike-N-Go | And what does one do to move the chat frame? |
| 08:09.05 | Cairenn | did you uncheck that box yet? |
| 08:09.41 | Mike-N-Go | It has been unched for basically my whole wow carrier. |
| 08:10.03 | Cairenn | then right click on the chat window tab, choose unlock, click & drag to where you want |
| 08:10.39 | Mike-N-Go | There we go! |
| 08:10.52 | Mike-N-Go | Thanks, for some reason I was not seeing it. |
| 08:10.57 | Cairenn | np |
| 08:10.59 | Mike-N-Go | Thank you for your time with my nubiness :) |
| 08:11.18 | Mike-N-Go | It has always been in the same place the whole time, lol. |
| 08:11.46 | Mike-N-Go | And the over lap has been bugging me ever since I got FuBar... |
| 08:12.55 | Cairenn | brb |
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| 08:32.51 | Kirkburn | Ooh, I didn't know there really was new stuff back in the lower level areas - there's a new quest hub in Ashenvale: http://www.wowwiki.com/Forest_Song |
| 08:33.23 | nevcairiel | wasnt forest song always there? |
| 08:33.24 | nevcairiel | :o |
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| 08:36.03 | Kirkburn | Twas, but the camp is new |
| 08:54.30 | Mike-N-Go | How do I move the mini-map frame and all down to not underlap FuBar? |
| 08:55.00 | [Ammo] | download Squeenix or another minimap addon |
| 08:55.20 | [Ammo] | I think FuBar can autoadjust as well |
| 08:55.21 | [Ammo] | but not sure |
| 08:55.31 | nevcairiel | fubar can |
| 08:55.51 | nevcairiel | just check the Auto adjust frames or whats it called |
| 08:59.06 | Mike-N-Go | What is the new way to programatically get the pet to attack? |
| 08:59.25 | Mike-N-Go | I tried '/petatack' according to wowwiki, but it does not work. |
| 09:00.17 | nevcairiel | * Pet control: /petattack, /petfollow, /petstay, /petpassive, /petdefensive, /petaggressive, /petautocaston <spell>, /petautocastoff <spell> |
| 09:00.21 | nevcairiel | that should work |
| 09:00.27 | Mike-N-Go | And why do my action bar buttons blink red when outof range? |
| 09:00.35 | Mike-N-Go | That is what I am doing, it does not work. |
| 09:00.49 | Kirkburn | Hey, since when have I been able to post on the US beta forums? |
| 09:00.54 | Mike-N-Go | What are viable <spell> for pets? |
| 09:01.43 | Kirkburn | Ah, nvm "You are not allowed to post in this station" .... not that that makes sense anyway |
| 09:01.55 | Kirkburn | Choo, choo! |
| 09:04.13 | Mike-N-Go | Does it matter if I use Lua 5.0.2 Framework Build, or do I need 5.0.1? |
| 09:07.19 | Mike-N-Go | What should be done first, mutli shot or arcane? |
| 09:09.19 | seebs | Kirkburn, is that Forest Song thing just in BC, or is it in 2.0 in general? |
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| 09:35.12 | Kirkburn | seebs, in general |
| 09:35.22 | seebs | Neat! |
| 09:35.29 | Kirkburn | They've added draenei and blood elf quests for everyone :D |
| 09:35.32 | seebs | Neat. |
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| 09:40.50 | Kirkburn | The main draenei ones I know of are in Swamp of Sorrows and Hinterlands |
| 09:41.00 | Kirkburn | (and Ashenvale, o' coursE) |
| 09:42.27 | Mike-N-Go | Humm, I get this error all the time... http://pastey.net/3684 |
| 09:42.49 | Mike-N-Go | Stubby and Loot Link, it says. |
| 09:58.22 | Kirkburn | An interesting nugget - Sylvanas *sings* in the beta now, for a quest :) |
| 09:58.38 | zenzelezz | hehe, heard that on our guild forums |
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| 10:21.06 | foxlit | Woah. Poor AL. |
| 10:21.12 | AnduinLothar | ? |
| 10:21.32 | foxlit | Some of the comments on DM are just mean |
| 10:21.37 | AnduinLothar | yeah lol |
| 10:22.01 | foxlit | Makes me feel lucky I'm maintaining somewhat more lucrative mods :) |
| 10:28.11 | seebs | Mean? |
| 10:28.13 | seebs | *sigh* |
| 10:28.29 | seebs | Lemme guess, they're saying they're not getting their money's worth? |
| 10:28.46 | AnduinLothar | read yourself |
| 10:28.51 | AnduinLothar | they're all bastards |
| 10:29.25 | zenzelezz | link? |
| 10:29.27 | seebs | So far, people are pretty mellow with AnnoyRP. Mostly supportive. |
| 10:30.11 | zenzelezz | when I saw the "AnnoyRP" name first, I was wondering why you'd need an addon to annoy roleplayers |
| 10:30.20 | seebs | Heh. |
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| 10:30.34 | seebs | I keep planning to start a thread asking why Blizz removed the /wrists emote. |
| 10:30.44 | foxlit | But I do get sillyness about how Ace2 will solve all my localization woes |
| 10:30.59 | seebs | I have no localization woes; I am too lazy to localize and don't much care. :) |
| 10:31.05 | foxlit | There even was a wrist emote? |
| 10:31.09 | seebs | Not that I know of. |
| 10:31.17 | seebs | But if I complained about its removal, people would invent one. |
| 10:31.27 | zenzelezz | lol |
| 10:31.53 | seebs | I dunno. Localization for AnnoyRP is conceivable, but a fair amount of work; I'd need to localize not just my own messages, and help, but also the game messages I'm looking for. |
| 10:32.18 | seebs | And some idiots would then come along and demand that I fix the "broken" mod, because they set the language to something other than what the server was in, and it stopped working. |
| 10:32.29 | seebs | (Or are there not non-English servers? I just assumed there were...) |
| 10:33.58 | foxlit | It's eerie; I've never seen anyone say anything about (the lack of) localization |
| 10:34.01 | amro | there are |
| 10:34.26 | amro | there isn't much reading to do for most of the addons I use |
| 10:34.30 | amro | most functions are self-explanatory |
| 10:34.33 | AnduinLothar | more locals = more users = more complaints |
| 10:34.40 | foxlit | I'm assuming my addon simply _works_, but they somehow deal with it being in English |
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| 10:36.32 | amro | if it doesn't have a lot of menus most people will deal with it in english |
| 10:37.47 | foxlit | Suppose 23KB of localizable text is too much to ask for. |
| 10:38.11 | foxlit | (for people to localize :P ) |
| 10:40.44 | ckknight | I'm quite content with regards to localization |
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| 10:44.18 | Kirov_ | As far as I can tell there are communities of people who re-localize popular mods for many of the other localizations |
| 10:45.01 | Kirov_ | There's a guy called Turttel or something who localized close to 100 popular mods for chinese and korean |
| 10:45.35 | Kaelten | we have quite a few people on wowace that localize mods into languages for people |
| 10:46.16 | Kaelten | I even got OneBag translated into Norwegian |
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| 10:53.52 | foxlit | hooksecurefunc("GameTooltip.SetUnitBuff", RABui_GameTooltip_SetUnitBuff); |
| 10:54.27 | foxlit | "GameTooltip.SetUnitBuff is not a function" |
| 10:54.42 | AnduinLothar | hooksecurefunc(GameTooltip, "SetUnitBuff", RABui_GameTooltip_SetUnitBuff); |
| 10:54.43 | foxlit | I take it I can't hook things through that? |
| 10:54.49 | foxlit | Ah, thanks |
| 10:55.16 | Iriel | AnduinLothar: That doesn't work either |
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| 10:55.22 | Iriel | AnduinLothar: At least, it shouldn't 8-) |
| 10:55.36 | Iriel | AnduinLothar: Unless slouken did hooksecurefunc differently than I expect (which is possible) |
| 10:55.40 | AnduinLothar | that's what you wrote in the change log, |
| 10:55.51 | AnduinLothar | or is it a string eval'd global table? |
| 10:56.27 | Iriel | No, the problem is that the GameTooltip object doesn't HAVE a SetUnitBuff entry |
| 10:56.34 | AnduinLothar | lol |
| 10:56.40 | AnduinLothar | gg |
| 10:56.57 | Iriel | You need to hook the metatable's index, I think, though I could be wrong.. I believe he did a rawget not a normal lookup |
| 10:57.01 | Iriel | I can probably verify that tho |
| 10:57.21 | foxlit | Iriel, AL's code works |
| 10:57.41 | AnduinLothar | i love being right on accident |
| 10:59.04 | Iriel | Ah, looks like he did a normal get but then a rawset, handy |
| 10:59.17 | AnduinLothar | yay |
| 11:00.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | hey AL |
| 11:00.07 | AnduinLothar | yo |
| 11:00.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | get your WardrobeFu guy to fix it kthx :P |
| 11:00.34 | AnduinLothar | he did, i just haven't uplaoded it |
| 11:00.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | lazy, goshhhh |
| 11:00.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | just kidding dont crusader strike me |
| 11:01.16 | AnduinLothar | well i haven't fixed WearMe yet, so there's not too much point |
| 11:02.41 | Kirov_ | I hook the SetAction file |
| 11:02.44 | Kirov_ | er, fine |
| 11:03.21 | Kirov_ | I was wondering about that myself actually when I realized that it shouldn't of worked. |
| 11:03.33 | Kirov_ | Part of me wonders if it's something slouken plans to "fix" |
| 11:04.30 | Iriel | I can't think of any reason why it needs fixing, though you'll get odd results if you hook both the metamethod and method in different orders |
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| 11:29.24 | Nom- | Evening :) |
| 11:29.39 | Nom- | Can anyone tell me, does WoWInterface have a tool similar to WinAce Updater ? |
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| 11:46.42 | Nom- | ooo |
| 11:46.47 | Nom- | just found OzRaid...looks like it might be ok |
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| 13:00.59 | foxlit | If I wanted to trigger an equipped item through a secureactionbutton, type is "item", right? |
| 13:04.45 | foxlit | (Correct answer: yes; set slot into "slot" and clear "bag") |
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| 13:25.21 | foxlit | Bah, I want a /usesequence |
| 13:28.33 | Mery | you can use itemes in /castsequence |
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| 13:31.33 | foxlit | Hm, that makes things interesting |
| 13:31.41 | foxlit | Could you toss me an example? :) |
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| 13:40.42 | Mery | uhm I never tried it, I just read "* Item names can be used interchangably with spell names in /cast, /castrandom, and /castsequence " |
| 13:41.12 | Mery | so you should be able to just do /castsequence Major Healing Potion, Healthstone Major |
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| 14:05.19 | KiphereCE | morning. |
| 14:05.24 | KiphereCE | purl, morning. |
| 14:05.32 | purl | Good morning! |
| 14:13.58 | KiphereCE | too early to ask, but i'm guessin you cant use relativeTo and relativePoint in the same XML tag :p |
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| 14:16.35 | foxlit | You can |
| 14:17.06 | foxlit | relativeTo sets the frame to whose relativePoint you want to anchor |
| 14:21.23 | Kirov | You can also do multiple anchors which will override any "size" settings you have. |
| 14:21.47 | Kirov | I'll often only set the height of a frame then attach the topleft and topright to it's parent |
| 14:22.33 | krka | anyone here wowi admins? i want to move FAIAP from beta to regular |
| 14:23.08 | foxlit | Would <Texture name="blah" file="Interface\Addons\X\b.png"> work as I expect? |
| 14:23.37 | Mery | nope |
| 14:23.45 | Mery | wow can only load tga and blp |
| 14:24.07 | Mery | and you have to leave the .tga or .blp out of the file name |
| 14:24.23 | Mery | like "Interface\AddOns\X\b" |
| 14:24.40 | Mery | it will try to load b.blp and if that's not there b.tga |
| 14:25.06 | Kirov | you don't have to leave the .tga / .blp out |
| 14:25.16 | foxlit | And I think it's reading pngs :/ |
| 14:25.19 | Kirov | in fact, oddly, some of Blizzard's own code has .blp |
| 14:25.37 | Kirov | including some Get__Texture returns |
| 14:25.43 | Mery | haha well then |
| 14:25.49 | Mery | you _can_ leave it out |
| 14:25.51 | Mery | =) |
| 14:26.03 | Kirov | foxlit - why do you say that? |
| 14:26.30 | foxlit | edgeFile="Interface\AddOns\X\edge.png" loads the correct file |
| 14:26.55 | Kirov | It shows up? |
| 14:27.11 | Kirov | Guess no one ever tried just using a .png, heh |
| 14:27.16 | foxlit | Yep. Either that or WoW is being weird, dropping .png, and then finding the .tga in the same dir. |
| 14:27.41 | Kirov | possible, actually |
| 14:27.49 | foxlit | True, even. |
| 14:27.56 | foxlit | It ignores the extension altogether. :/ |
| 14:28.26 | Kirov | graphic.supercalafragalisticexpialadocious still loads the .tga? |
| 14:30.28 | foxlit | Nope |
| 14:31.03 | foxlit | Meh, testing this is prophibitive in restart cycles |
| 14:32.16 | Kirov | The day they required closing wow to add new files was a bad day for many of us addon devs |
| 14:32.51 | Kirov | Mostly because we all got really frustrated trying to figure out why something wouldn't work we _knew_ we fixed, and then because we were sad we'd lost that ability |
| 14:32.53 | foxlit | Okay, so |
| 14:33.01 | foxlit | edge.reallylongextension isn't loaded |
| 14:33.13 | foxlit | edge.png loads edge.tga even if edge.png doesn't exist |
| 14:33.26 | foxlit | edge.png doesn't load anything if edge.tga does not exist |
| 14:34.13 | Kirov | so, make it a .blp? |
| 14:34.25 | Kirov | or keep it as the .tga |
| 14:34.26 | foxlit | Don't have anything capable of saving blp |
| 14:35.10 | Kirov | Because it's a proprietary format of Blizzard's. |
| 14:35.10 | Mery | there is a png to blp (propitary blizzard format) converter on wowi lounge |
| 14:35.53 | Mery | if you only load the file once just use tga |
| 14:36.16 | Mery | if you load (as in settexture) often it seemed to me blp is alot faster |
| 14:36.18 | Industrial | morrrn' |
| 14:36.18 | Kirov | blp is actually a DXTC (or S3DTC for those who remember Savage3d) texture with a custom header |
| 14:37.56 | Kirov | I use this http://dl.qj.net/World-of-Warcraft-WoWImage-0.51-PC-Gaming-MMORPG-World-of-Warcraft-UI-Mods/pg/12/fid/4432/catid/318 |
| 14:38.20 | Kirov | (requires java) |
| 14:38.38 | foxlit | Anything special about transparency in those files? |
| 14:38.43 | Kirov | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info6127-BLP2PNG.html is an alternative |
| 14:39.04 | Mery | that's on wowi too (although the commandline one was better when I wanted to make a custom cursor) |
| 14:39.29 | Kirov | foxlit - if the .png has transparency it'll just work |
| 14:40.37 | Kirov | Mery - blizzard was kinda' evil using some of the odd dxtc formats for things like body armor and cursors |
| 14:40.51 | Mery | yeah :) |
| 14:41.39 | Kirov | It's technically an 8 bit color, 8 bit alpha texture, but no other format in existance uses that, so the closest is 8 bit color with an indexed alpha which the convert to a DXTC1A format |
| 14:43.10 | foxlit | Getting a white border rather than a transparent area, though. Guess that's just an artifact of what I use to save tga |
| 14:44.31 | Kirov | foxlit - yeah, that's common |
| 14:44.33 | KiphereCE | least i'm not the only one getting that :p |
| 14:44.56 | KiphereCE | some of the offset stuff I've been doing this morning makes no sense. |
| 14:45.06 | KiphereCE | well, I suppose it does but I'm lookin at it wrong. |
| 14:45.43 | Kirov | white border is one of a couple problems. |
| 14:45.52 | KiphereCE | you would think a frame with an inset of top=12, then creating another frame who's anchorpoint is center, then offset it 12 would center that new frame on the top edge of the visible parent |
| 14:46.06 | Kirov | your graphics program doesn't play nice when resizing w/ alpha |
| 14:46.28 | Kirov | your graphics program forces anything that's 100% transparent to save as white (bad!) |
| 14:46.53 | Kirov | or you have parts of your image against the edges of the image causing it to bleed over |
| 14:47.23 | Kirov | reason #2 I've seen a lot with PNG saving tools. |
| 14:47.32 | Kirov | no idea why, it's really a pain |
| 14:48.18 | Kirov | It's actually why I try to stick to .tga files with an explicit alpha layer to keep the alpha and the color split and preventing that annoying forced white |
| 14:48.25 | Kirov | (photoshop does this, btw) |
| 14:50.15 | |FF|Im2good4u | Does any1 got the 2.0 versio myDebug |
| 14:50.19 | KiphereCE | if I split a frame's edge with another frame inside of it, will it chop the child frame off at the parents edge or will it force it to remain inside the parent? |
| 14:50.55 | Kirov | KiphereCE - neither |
| 14:50.58 | Tain | TGA is the easiset to work with because most graphics programs will know to take the alpha channel. Even though PNG can have an alpha channel not all programs honor it. |
| 14:51.00 | KiphereCE | great heh |
| 14:51.08 | Kirov | KiphereCE - the other frame will just flow over |
| 14:51.17 | Tain | Which is actually a flaw in the app, not PNG, but you still have to deal with it. |
| 14:51.20 | KiphereCE | ok then I'm really off. |
| 14:51.29 | foxlit | WoW frames don't clip |
| 14:51.39 | KiphereCE | the inset offset thing is jacking with my head this morning. |
| 14:52.30 | KiphereCE | my parent frame is x, y. I set an inset of l=11 r=11, t=12, b=12 (I used proper syntax in the file) |
| 14:52.31 | Kirov | texture regions can be set to clip, but frames are explicit entities more or less oblivious to other frames around it. |
| 14:52.35 | foxlit | <Kirov> (photoshop does this, btw) |
| 14:52.46 | foxlit | Photoshop does this correctly, or photoshop fails to do this correctly? |
| 14:52.53 | KiphereCE | sorry, 11 left, 12, right, 12, top, 11, bottom. |
| 14:53.24 | KiphereCE | either way, shouldnt matter. my visible frame starts 12pix down from the top edge of the inivisble 'actual' frame yes? |
| 14:53.27 | Kirov | foxlit - If you don't use an explicit alpha channel, Photoshop likes to make things white. |
| 14:54.20 | Kirov | KiphereCE - yes and no |
| 14:54.43 | KiphereCE | you're full of fun answers this morning ;) |
| 14:55.13 | foxlit | Inset? HitsRectInset? |
| 14:55.15 | Kirov | KiphereCE - 12 texels would be more accurate. |
| 14:56.03 | Kirov | And even then that's not always correct |
| 14:56.09 | KiphereCE | I'm using <BackgroundInsets> <AbsInst> </BackgroundInsets> |
| 14:56.18 | Kirov | 12 whateveryouwanttocallthem units |
| 14:56.20 | KiphereCE | I dunno what HitsRectInset is |
| 14:56.33 | KiphereCE | well is that unit being used throughout the frame? |
| 14:56.37 | Kirov | KiphereCE - lets you adjust the clickable region of the frame |
| 14:56.56 | Tain | haha the Boston MBTA (public transportation) website was recently updated and didn't work right with all browsers. So one person left feedback about it that it wasn't working with Opera. |
| 14:57.02 | Tain | Their response, "Stop using Opera." |
| 14:57.13 | Tain | And the uproar ensued. Now the site has been reverted. |
| 14:57.31 | Kirov | I love "IE Only" sites |
| 14:57.47 | Kirov | It's like saying, "We only support buggy code." |
| 14:57.56 | Tain | Supposedly they made sure IE and FireFox would work. But it seems like that's all they tested. |
| 14:58.42 | Kirov | "Our web site is purposefully design to take advantage of various problems with the IE web renderer, which some special code to make it not be fucked in Firefox." |
| 14:59.00 | Kirov | s/which/with/ |
| 15:00.00 | Kirov | KiphereCE - a good example of HitRectInset are the check boxes in the interface options. |
| 15:00.33 | KiphereCE | back sorry bout that. |
| 15:01.10 | Kirov | The check box frame itself is only a little bigger than the visual box itself, but using HitRectInset you can click on the text to the right of the check box and still click the check box itself |
| 15:01.39 | KiphereCE | ahh |
| 15:01.50 | KiphereCE | well, back to the inset/offset thing |
| 15:01.55 | KiphereCE | do they use the same concepts of scale? |
| 15:02.03 | KiphereCE | cause my math is failing me and I know how to add. |
| 15:02.09 | Kirov | Alternatively you can have something with a small graphic in a huge frame (caused by the 2^x image size requirement) and use it to make the clickable area smaller |
| 15:02.50 | Kirov | KiphereCE - my advice to you there ... trial and error |
| 15:02.54 | KiphereCE | if my bginset is 12whatevers from the top of the frame then my visible frame should be 12whatevers from the top of the frame. |
| 15:03.12 | Kirov | KiphereCE - In my experience it's usually more like 4-5 |
| 15:03.16 | Kirov | maybe less |
| 15:03.22 | KiphereCE | wish I knew the convention. |
| 15:03.30 | KiphereCE | cause that doesnt jive with what little xml I've done elsewhere. |
| 15:03.44 | Kirov | I believe the background insets are scaled by the size of the edge file. |
| 15:04.13 | KiphereCE | hrm, I can test that real fast. |
| 15:04.31 | KiphereCE | oh duh |
| 15:04.38 | KiphereCE | bginsets have a tile size. |
| 15:05.00 | KiphereCE | the tile size would effect the "12whatevers" actual size |
| 15:05.05 | foxlit | Meh, no wowimage for me. EXCEPTION_ACCESS_VIOLATION (0xc0000005) at pc=0x6d74e917, pid=1208, tid=2076 |
| 15:05.17 | KiphereCE | and its deffinitely not gonna be a pix |
| 15:05.25 | Kirov | edge graphics and background insets reside in their own world of the UI renderer, well apart from the higher level part which deals with per-region (frame, textures, etc) |
| 15:05.43 | KiphereCE | ok well that makes a little mroe sense. |
| 15:06.06 | KiphereCE | but because the math is completely foriegn I'mg onna have to nudge and reload just to get my allignment right if i use the default blizzard graphics |
| 15:08.56 | Kirov | anyways, I'm off. |
| 15:08.56 | Kirov | goodluck |
| 15:09.11 | KiphereCE | see ya. |
| 15:09.13 | KiphereCE | thanks for the help. |
| 15:09.22 | KiphereCE | now I have to figure out why I can drag my frame and the text sticks ;) |
| 15:10.25 | |FF|Im2good4u | guys can i use #... to see how many arguments are passed ? |
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| 15:11.37 | Seracht | Hi |
| 15:11.40 | Seracht | is there a macro to tlak to someone |
| 15:11.47 | Seracht | like /tar Name..../rightclick? |
| 15:12.02 | KiphereCE | huh? |
| 15:12.11 | Seracht | like is there a macro to talk to a battlemaster |
| 15:12.15 | foxlit | No. |
| 15:12.22 | Seracht | darn |
| 15:18.37 | KiphereCE | hrm |
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| 15:19.04 | KiphereCE | so even if I inherit secureactionbuttontemplate and actionbuttontemplate in my xml it wont act like an actionbutton until I apply a script to it? |
| 15:19.12 | KiphereCE | via lua |
| 15:21.26 | foxlit | "apply a script"? |
| 15:21.57 | KiphereCE | tell it to be a button in lua |
| 15:22.18 | KiphereCE | I thought maybe inheriting the templates in xml would make it react like a button. |
| 15:22.27 | KiphereCE | but i cant drag anything to it |
| 15:26.57 | foxlit | Correct, you'll need to do something to it |
| 15:28.16 | KiphereCE | thats new ground, I kmnow how to create a button and make it act like a button using all lua and no xml |
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| 15:28.40 | KiphereCE | no idea how to make te lua reference a button I created in xml. |
| 15:28.52 | KiphereCE | off to the framexml cave |
| 15:28.59 | zenzelezz | by using the name you gave it? |
| 15:29.23 | KiphereCE | well, my one foray into mods was probably a bad way to learn. |
| 15:29.35 | foxlit | Okay, transparency obviously isn't working out for me. |
| 15:29.45 | foxlit | Anyone know where I can pinch a square edgeFile? |
| 15:30.14 | KiphereCE | are you creating your own or editing a blizzard one and renaming it? |
| 15:32.30 | |FF|Im2good4u | gezz lol converting old code to the new local event handles is verry hard especiely in a somewat big addon |
| 15:32.42 | |FF|Im2good4u | i now understand why blizz didnt do it yet :P |
| 15:33.00 | foxlit | I suppose if you do frame:SetAtrtibute("type1","item"); frame:SetAttribute("slot",1); and drop an item into that frame, you'll swap it with the item in slot 1 (head?) |
| 15:33.12 | foxlit | (where frame inherits from SecureActionButton) |
| 15:34.00 | |FF|Im2good4u | wut is the motion parameter on OnEnter: function(self, motion) ? |
| 15:38.24 | foxlit | Never heard of it; most of the stuff on OnEnter doesn't really care |
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| 15:39.46 | foxlit | [I win! blp2png also works backwards, understanding the png transparency layer] |
| 15:41.27 | Thunder_Child | ~win foxlit |
| 15:41.30 | purl | Congratulations, foxlit! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 15:44.48 | KiphereCE | yay |
| 15:45.00 | KiphereCE | well, I've mangled blizzards files enough for now. |
| 15:45.26 | Thunder_Child | beauty academy maybe... |
| 15:45.28 | KiphereCE | made a frame with a title bar and fontstring, put an inoperable action button in it, and put a little gold dragon around the title bar and made it draggable |
| 15:48.19 | KiphereCE | in my previous button attempts I always did local btn = CreateFrame("CheckButton", "Name", UIparent, "ActionBarButtonTemplate") |
| 15:48.25 | KiphereCE | but thats because I was creating the button via lua. |
| 15:48.41 | KiphereCE | since I made my button in xml do I just do "local btn = Nameofmyxmlbutton" ? |
| 15:50.09 | Nom- | Anyone know of a mod like theorycraft that works in 2.0 ? |
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| 15:59.29 | cladhaire | anyone good graphically? |
| 16:00.00 | Nom- | I can draw a straight line using a ruler... |
| 16:00.35 | Nom- | hah well it depends what you want...i can do technical drawing, but not artistic |
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| 16:00.45 | cladhaire | ah then i'm screwed =) |
| 16:01.00 | cladhaire | i need someone who could eye, or think about making widgets, i.e. buttons, radio buttons, checkbuttons, etc. |
| 16:01.04 | Nom- | ie. if you want a diagram of a building, i'm your man...want a pretty sketch, and yeah...might as well get a paintball gun...it'll look better |
| 16:01.46 | Nom- | That's not that hard...there's some pretty pre-made artwork with some of the Macromedia stuff |
| 16:02.05 | Nom- | *fires up fireworks* |
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| 16:03.01 | Nom- | not fireworks...hmm something has it |
| 16:03.02 | foxlit | KiphereCE: no |
| 16:03.09 | Nom- | can never remember what when i'm looking for it tho |
| 16:03.12 | foxlit | KiphereCE: Nameofmyxmlbutton is a global variable |
| 16:03.39 | foxlit | You just type Nameofmyxmlbutton whenever you want to access it. |
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| 16:07.34 | Sonicandtails | Anyone here know how to make the newest clearfont update not give distortion in the 1280x1024 resolution? |
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| 16:10.10 | KiphereCE | hrm |
| 16:10.17 | KiphereCE | readin more in the xml ui section on wowwiki |
| 16:11.06 | KiphereCE | seems like if I wanna put action buttons in a frame it'd be better to create the base frame in xml then create all the actionbuttons via lua using that xml frame as my parent instead of UIParent |
| 16:11.37 | KiphereCE | checkbuttons and other more simple peices would prolly be fine to generate via xml though I'd imagine |
| 16:12.32 | foxlit | "then create all the actionbuttons via lua using that xml frame as my parent instead of UIParent" You are aware you can parent things in XML, right? |
| 16:13.06 | KiphereCE | no? |
| 16:13.17 | KiphereCE | if i make a frame via XML it exists, it cant be a parent? |
| 16:13.29 | zenzelezz | incorrect |
| 16:14.14 | KiphereCE | Like I couldnt do a "local btn=CreateFrame("CheckButton", "MyButton1", MyAddonFrame, "ActionButtonTemplate") |
| 16:14.27 | KiphereCE | where 'MyAddonFrame; is a frame I make in my xml |
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| 16:15.52 | foxlit | You _can_ do that. |
| 16:16.09 | KiphereCE | ok, then whats the statement "YOU are ware you cant parent things in XML" about? |
| 16:16.18 | KiphereCE | I'm not understanding what your'e saying apparently. |
| 16:16.52 | zenzelezz | he said can, not can't |
| 16:16.56 | foxlit | <foxlit> ... You are aware you _can_ parent things in XML, right? |
| 16:17.20 | foxlit | What I meant is thatyou can do it inside XML itself as well |
| 16:17.35 | KiphereCE | yeah, which I'd do with a button that was a little more simple in function than an action button. |
| 16:17.56 | foxlit | either through <Frame name="ChildFrame" parent="ParentFrame"> or by nesting things: <Frame name="ParentFrame"><Frames><Frame name="ChildFrame"> |
| 16:18.08 | KiphereCE | problem is I can't figure out hwo to make an action button 'be' an action button without cramming a bunch of lua into my xml. |
| 16:18.28 | foxlit | You can't. |
| 16:18.33 | KiphereCE | I know how to make an action button react appropriately in lua. |
| 16:18.36 | foxlit | XML describes what things are, LUA describes what things do |
| 16:18.42 | foxlit | You mix the two to make a proper addon |
| 16:18.44 | KiphereCE | so I figure i Might as well generate the button itself in lua too |
| 16:18.54 | KiphereCE | in the case of action buttons. |
| 16:19.29 | KiphereCE | I don't know how to reference things between the two properly yet. |
| 16:21.06 | KiphereCE | if i generate a btn in xml named MyBtn I imagine I could just do an onload in xml and reference a function in my lua, I've no idea how to do the function without creating the button in lua ;P |
| 16:21.42 | foxlit | If you create a btn in xml named MyBtn, you get a global variable in lua called MyBtn |
| 16:21.59 | foxlit | Then you'd MyBtn:DoWhatever(); |
| 16:22.00 | zenzelezz | I can't speak for others in the channel, but without actually showing us something, all you do is confuse me |
| 16:22.49 | KiphereCE | ok, so where my code normally started with 'local btn=CreateFrame(yadayada yada)' I can skip that part since I already have a variable defined. |
| 16:23.22 | KiphereCE | and i can go right into the MyBtn:SetScript("OnAttributeChanged", ActionButton_Update) etc? |
| 16:23.28 | foxlit | Yes |
| 16:23.45 | KiphereCE | ohhhh |
| 16:24.45 | KiphereCE | zenze, I've sorta avoided very specific examples because people tend to give me very specific answers. I'm trying to learn more generally than specifically if that makes sense. |
| 16:25.10 | KiphereCE | like concepts not specific examples of how to make 'this exact button' work. |
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| 16:25.12 | zenzelezz | it's easier to learn if you first get it working, then you can understand why |
| 16:25.18 | KiphereCE | that way I know how to apply it to multiple things |
| 16:27.13 | a-stray-cat | usually, i try to do something very specific at first |
| 16:27.17 | a-stray-cat | then i just play with it |
| 16:27.20 | a-stray-cat | until i know what's going on |
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| 16:30.40 | kneeki | Hey everyone =) |
| 16:31.05 | HyperG | so whom do i tell about an ongoing problem with a server/guild list? |
| 16:31.23 | Corr[home] | it depends on who's maintaining the list |
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| 16:31.45 | Corr[home] | i wonder if it's time i get back to playing WoW, now. it rather depends on the addons i use being in a useful condition. |
| 16:32.19 | kneeki | Mod authoring more than you play WoW? :) |
| 16:32.47 | TriGGy | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:33.20 | a-stray-cat | have you looked at the loot ui? |
| 16:33.21 | Corr[home] | oh, no, i don't make addons myself, but i use around 150 of them, a significant portion of which were not ready for 2.0 as of two weeks ago |
| 16:33.34 | a-stray-cat | Corr[home]: trim the fat imo :P |
| 16:33.46 | Corr[home] | yeah, see, that's an unacceptable solution |
| 16:33.50 | Corr[home] | WoW itself is fat, too |
| 16:34.02 | a-stray-cat | that's fine, i'd trim WoW too if i could get myself to do i ;( |
| 16:34.14 | Corr[home] | i have actually trimmed my addons several times. anything i don't use i get rid of within a week |
| 16:34.37 | a-stray-cat | search for alternatives? |
| 16:34.39 | a-stray-cat | ;( |
| 16:34.46 | Corr[home] | i can certainly play without a number of them, but i require certain ones so that i don't go insane (x-perl, praid, etc) |
| 16:34.55 | cladhaire | i'm working on it |
| 16:34.57 | cladhaire | now actually |
| 16:34.58 | cladhaire | well some now. |
| 16:35.03 | a-stray-cat | :O |
| 16:35.06 | TriGGy | a-stray-cat: I'm kinda new to this, and havent been able to find the original loot ui anywhere :s |
| 16:35.17 | a-stray-cat | ~framexml |
| 16:35.23 | purl | get the official Blizzard Interface AddOn Kit here: http://www.blizzard.com/support/wow/?id=aww01671p -- Beta: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/downloads/expansion-bc/addonkit.zip |
| 16:35.24 | Corr[home] | i trust you're punching out that code when you have time for it :) |
| 16:35.41 | a-stray-cat | TriGGy: you can use that to extract all the blizz ui info :) |
| 16:35.41 | [Cu]Werik | Yeah, how is praid looking? |
| 16:35.46 | TriGGy | aahh.. cool. I'll have a look at that... thnx |
| 16:35.47 | a-stray-cat | the loot UI is somewhere in there |
| 16:35.52 | [Cu]Werik | Lots of people missing it:P |
| 16:36.01 | Corr[home] | my WoW vacation is not over, i guess. i have other games to catch up on, anyway. |
| 16:36.09 | Corr[home] | school has made me unable to play any games for an entire week >:P |
| 16:36.18 | Thunder_Child | finals? |
| 16:36.27 | Corr[home] | well, the homework/project crush just before finals |
| 16:36.40 | a-stray-cat | i will be playing a lot of ffxii these next to weeks, as this computer hates WoW |
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| 16:36.53 | a-stray-cat | for some reason the game will slow down to half speed |
| 16:36.57 | a-stray-cat | every 30 seconds or so |
| 16:37.00 | kneeki | *shakes fist at the virus scanner blocking IRC ports!* |
| 16:37.17 | a-stray-cat | man what was that thing you could say to get norton to disconnect you? |
| 16:37.28 | Corr[home] | DCC VIRUS OMG |
| 16:37.33 | Corr[home] | somthing like that |
| 16:37.34 | a-stray-cat | something like that haha |
| 16:37.49 | kneeki | Haha |
| 16:38.07 | kneeki | I'm using McAfee atm |
| 16:38.46 | a-stray-cat | :( |
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| 16:39.10 | kneeki | ... |
| 16:39.16 | Thunder_Child | 10[12/17/2006 - 08:35] kneeki: 01Haha |
| 16:39.16 | Thunder_Child | 10[12/17/2006 - 08:36] kneeki: 01I'm using McAfee atm |
| 16:39.16 | Thunder_Child | *snicker* |
| 16:39.28 | kneeki | Ok, this is really dumb now. I godda disable this crap, it keeps adding the ports to block every min or so |
| 16:39.36 | a-stray-cat | omg colors |
| 16:40.41 | Corr[home] | i don't even have an anti-virus program on my main computer, yet. :| but i don't want to take the time to do research to find a decent solution |
| 16:40.50 | nevcairiel | add your irc client to the exception list |
| 16:40.57 | kneeki | Well, I'm at work |
| 16:41.07 | kneeki | I think I'll do that |
| 16:41.17 | kneeki | Once I figure out how. I'm no good with Mcafee |
| 16:41.26 | nevcairiel | thats what i did with my mcaffe |
| 16:41.32 | a-stray-cat | Corr[home]: try AVG |
| 16:41.41 | kneeki | I have AVG at home |
| 16:41.43 | Corr[home] | sorry, i can't use AVG, at least not the free version. |
| 16:41.45 | kneeki | Well, AVG Free |
| 16:41.50 | a-stray-cat | why not :( |
| 16:41.51 | Corr[home] | it refuses to install on windows 2k3 server, so it's worthless |
| 16:41.58 | a-stray-cat | even the new one? |
| 16:42.04 | Corr[home] | it incorrectly identifies my computer as a "server machine" |
| 16:42.16 | a-stray-cat | aw :( |
| 16:42.16 | Corr[home] | even though that really has nothing to do with what kind of viruses it's going to be up against |
| 16:42.32 | Corr[home] | i was recommended f-prot by another person, and that does install |
| 16:42.33 | Thunder_Child | well it isnt called win 2k3 *server* for nothing |
| 16:43.38 | Corr[home] | that's correct. however, it doesn't install only on rackmounts that operate in domains and never play games. it actually works as a regular OS. |
| 16:44.04 | Thunder_Child | but AVS donest know that |
| 16:44.13 | Corr[home] | so it would seem |
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| 16:44.37 | Corr[home] | time to head on out to the dorm one last time! byee |
| 16:44.39 | nevcairiel | ask the devs to add an option "Do you use your Server OS as an actual server or as a workstation?" |
| 16:44.41 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 16:44.47 | Corr[home] | haha |
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| 16:46.00 | kneeki | Yay |
| 16:46.08 | kneeki | added it to the exception list =) |
| 16:46.17 | kneeki | Let's hope it stays that way. Hah |
| 16:47.05 | a-stray-cat | :) |
| 16:47.23 | KiphereCE | anyone know why the blp2png thing would mutilate my file when I use it? :p |
| 16:47.41 | KiphereCE | I'm savin off as a png8, file's 64x64 |
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| 16:50.17 | kneeki | Seriously, this is getting old. All the settings keep getting reset. I disabled the repository thing though, hopefully that helps |
| 16:50.39 | kneeki | Sorry about the Connect/Disconnect spam btw guys. =\ |
| 16:52.53 | KiphereCE | is there some trick to using blp2png that i'm not aware of like a format my png needs to be in specifically? I've tried png8 and png32, both look really different when I convert them to blp =\ |
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| 17:10.25 | TriGGy | a-stray-cat: Ok. I have found the place in the Loot UI, where i need my code. --> GroupLootDropDown_Initialize() |
| 17:10.50 | TriGGy | If I hook that function, does that mean I replace it, or does that mean, that I can add to it ? |
| 17:11.09 | a-stray-cat | it depends |
| 17:11.16 | a-stray-cat | you can do either |
| 17:12.32 | crobi | Is there a complete reference for all secure templates? All I can find are code examples and short tutorials. I'd like to see a list of all possible attributes (for SetAttribute() ) and their meaning |
| 17:12.56 | TriGGy | It seems, that I can get my idea done, by just adding some code to the enf of that function |
| 17:13.19 | cladhaire | crobi: Not really possible. |
| 17:13.23 | cladhaire | you can look at the code |
| 17:14.04 | crobi | the code in FrameXML/SecureTemplates.lua ? |
| 17:14.11 | a-stray-cat | TriGGy: then hook it and call the original in your hook, then add extra :) |
| 17:21.55 | KiphereCE | yar, greenbox from hell. |
| 17:22.02 | KiphereCE | purl, dance |
| 17:22.11 | purl | ACTION <("<) <('_')> (>")> Dance Kirby Dance! |
| 17:22.41 | KiphereCE | does a green box mean it cant find the graphic or the graphic cant be displayed? |
| 17:23.20 | a-stray-cat | either/or |
| 17:23.35 | KiphereCE | well poo |
| 17:24.27 | KiphereCE | it references graphics from dat |
| 17:24.35 | KiphereCE | data\interface right? |
| 17:24.57 | a-stray-cat | data\interface? |
| 17:25.06 | a-stray-cat | what's your path? |
| 17:25.10 | KiphereCE | so \interface\Folder\file would be c:\program files\world of warcraft\data\interface\folder\file |
| 17:25.37 | KiphereCE | I'm getting that based on the tking mod I have |
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| 17:26.40 | a-stray-cat | :X |
| 17:27.12 | a-stray-cat | just use Interface\\AddOns\\AddOnFolder\\file and stick it in your addon folder |
| 17:29.09 | KiphereCE | there ar eason you're using two \'s? |
| 17:29.32 | nevcairiel | there is a reason for everything |
| 17:29.34 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 17:29.38 | a-stray-cat | \ in lua is an escape char |
| 17:29.48 | a-stray-cat | you can actually use / if you want to |
| 17:30.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | those of you in beta |
| 17:30.02 | KiphereCE | this is xml I'm working in :p |
| 17:30.05 | a-stray-cat | oh |
| 17:30.07 | a-stray-cat | nevermind then :P |
| 17:30.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | is winter veil active on the beta server? |
| 17:30.10 | a-stray-cat | use one \ |
| 17:30.17 | KiphereCE | I did, still get a big ugly green box |
| 17:30.37 | KiphereCE | <Texture name="Crest" file="Interface\AddOns\HellowWorld\OrcCrest .tga"> |
| 17:30.41 | a-stray-cat | oh, xml uses relative paths |
| 17:30.49 | KiphereCE | damnit |
| 17:30.51 | KiphereCE | stray space |
| 17:31.05 | a-stray-cat | so if its in the same folder as your xml file |
| 17:31.15 | a-stray-cat | just do "file" ;o |
| 17:31.40 | a-stray-cat | i suppose you could do absolute paths like C:\Program Files etc |
| 17:31.45 | KiphereCE | all my other textures/edgefiles are referencing by saying interface\folder\folder\file |
| 17:31.50 | a-stray-cat | but there's no guarentee wow is actually installed there :X |
| 17:31.53 | KiphereCE | and referencing things in data\interface |
| 17:32.24 | a-stray-cat | bah i haven't worked with xml forever and ever :X |
| 17:32.33 | a-stray-cat | all my addons are xml-less now :( |
| 17:32.38 | KiphereCE | sonof a >< |
| 17:32.46 | KiphereCE | it lost its freaking transparency again. |
| 17:32.57 | KiphereCE | if I convert my pngs to blps it mutilates them and makes them horrible looking |
| 17:33.01 | KiphereCE | if I go tga I lose transparency |
| 17:33.07 | a-stray-cat | photoshop hates tga transparency :( |
| 17:33.19 | a-stray-cat | if you're using it :P |
| 17:33.21 | KiphereCE | I'm using fireworks to save off as png then infran to translate it |
| 17:33.24 | KiphereCE | was |
| 17:33.28 | KiphereCE | now i'm lighting my computer on fire. |
| 17:33.35 | a-stray-cat | don't do that |
| 17:33.38 | a-stray-cat | its bad for the environment. |
| 17:33.50 | KiphereCE | I doubt my computer could even burn right. |
| 17:34.15 | KiphereCE | any ideas on why my png > blp conversions would be making my files look so horrible? |
| 17:36.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | so reindeer + flying mounts = comedy? |
| 17:36.05 | a-stray-cat | bad converter? :X |
| 17:36.09 | a-stray-cat | omg |
| 17:36.12 | a-stray-cat | must...try... |
| 17:36.22 | a-stray-cat | if only my laptop had WoW on it |
| 17:36.31 | KiphereCE | I'm using the blp2png thing frmo WoWi |
| 17:48.56 | axxo | any good way to detect when a boss is engaged? |
| 17:49.20 | KiphereCE | your HPs start to decrease |
| 17:49.36 | zenzelezz | don't most of them pulse you into combat pretty fast? |
| 17:50.03 | a-stray-cat | if you have the boss targetted, you can tell by when the boss gains a target |
| 17:50.20 | Cide | that's not foolproof |
| 17:50.34 | Cide | that wouldn't work for Gothik, for example |
| 17:50.38 | a-stray-cat | ah |
| 17:50.45 | a-stray-cat | i've left the raidgame ;( |
| 17:51.04 | Cide | UnitAffectingCombat("target") is the best method |
| 17:51.43 | zenzelezz | pride heralds the end of your world |
| 17:52.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | our cries herald the coming of great pain for our enemies |
| 17:53.20 | Cide | you have fought hard to invade the realm of the harvester. |
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| 17:54.08 | axxo | thanks |
| 18:04.12 | Tem | anyone know how to escape _ in wiki markup? |
| 18:04.43 | Seracht | anyone know how much bonus honor you get with bonus weekend? |
| 18:05.42 | Tem | Kirkburn where are you!? |
| 18:06.36 | a-stray-cat | Seracht: isn't it just double the bg bonus honor? |
| 18:07.35 | Gnarfoz | can anyone point me to where the little minimap dots that represent (for herbalism tracking) a herb are created in blizzards UI code? I want to find out which strata they're in (most likely background, which is bad :\) |
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| 18:27.56 | ckknight_ | hey all |
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| 18:49.35 | KiphereCE | ok, now photoshop wont let me save my alpha channel or layers when saving as tga. |
| 18:50.14 | KiphereCE | I tried making two layers, putting the actual image on one and a seperate blank layer that's transparent. |
| 18:50.25 | KiphereCE | tried a single layer with the 'extra' crap removed |
| 18:50.52 | Gnarfoz | added an alpha channel? |
| 18:51.11 | KiphereCE | it was there.. I didnt manually ad it though |
| 18:52.21 | KiphereCE | I'm not as familiar with photoshop as I am with fireworks so I'm sure im' just doing something wrong again |
| 18:56.10 | KiphereCE | whenever I try to save as a tga it tells me 'must save as a copy' and greys out all my options. |
| 19:00.52 | Xuerian | It won't let you directly save it as tga. Just hit save and it'll pop up options. |
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| 19:22.02 | Tain | Ok this made me chuckle out loud. http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/wiimote/wii-injuries--the-inevitable-conclusion-222255.php |
| 19:25.59 | a-stray-cat | nice |
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| 19:35.58 | Cairenn | omg, tell me that's fake! |
| 19:36.40 | a-stray-cat | of course its fake :P |
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| 19:54.27 | krka | anyone here wowi admins? i want to move FAIAP from beta to regular |
| 19:55.03 | Cairenn | krka: update the regular one you've already got on the site and I'll delete the 2.0 beta version |
| 19:55.58 | krka | hm... so i have to copy / paste everything from 2.0 beta to regular? |
| 19:57.19 | Cairenn | what has changed in the description from the live version? |
| 19:58.48 | Cairenn | just the change log? |
| 19:58.59 | krka | yeah |
| 19:59.20 | Cairenn | so upload the zip file and add the one line in the change log |
| 19:59.44 | krka | when you put it like that, it doesn't seem like as much work anymore :p |
| 20:00.28 | Cairenn | heh |
| 20:01.40 | krka | ok done, i think |
| 20:03.56 | Cairenn | yup, done |
| 20:04.11 | Cairenn | 2.0 beta version gone |
| 20:05.27 | krka | thanks |
| 20:05.36 | Cairenn | welcome :) |
| 20:07.46 | KiphereCE | yay, kiphere has a christmas tree now. |
| 20:08.52 | Cairenn | :) |
| 20:09.04 | amro | just don't put skulls on it like the one in org :P |
| 20:09.56 | KiphereCE | actualy... |
| 20:10.11 | KiphereCE | we normally cover em with lots of random pagan objects and call it a 'notchristmas tree' |
| 20:10.57 | KiphereCE | how hard is it to add soundbites to interface objects? I don't think i've ever seen a common mod with anything other than a normal click sound. |
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| 20:11.48 | a-stray-cat | not terribly difficult |
| 20:13.20 | KiphereCE | it's been sorta productive today |
| 20:13.37 | KiphereCE | got my transarencies to work, thanks to multiple sources. |
| 20:13.49 | KiphereCE | somewhat figured out how xml's offsets and insets work |
| 20:14.21 | KiphereCE | and have a movable custom graphic on the screen. so I'm progressing :P soon I'll be able to make something actualy functional and useful |
| 20:16.53 | ckknight | is there an event that fires when you change your tracking? (i.e. from track humanoids to track undead) |
| 20:17.24 | KiphereCE | does track act like an aura of some sort? |
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| 20:19.01 | KiphereCE | anyone know if pie buttons show up default as circular or if it's just a layout option for standard action buttons (Square) |
| 20:20.45 | foxlit|Gone | ckknight: there must be, or the tracking indicator would be pretty evil |
| 20:29.29 | wereHamster | is it correct to put a comma before 'respectively' ? |
| 20:30.18 | ckknight | depends on the context |
| 20:30.27 | ckknight | what's the whole sentence? |
| 20:31.22 | wereHamster | 80'000 and 19'000 downloads for the above mentioned addons, respectively |
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| 20:44.12 | Cairenn | quiet in here today |
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| 20:47.42 | VoidRaider|afk | My new addon if anyone wanna have a look and comment for suggestions feel free :) http://ui.worldofwar.net/ui.php?id=3677 |
| 20:48.27 | VoidRaider|afk | :P |
| 20:48.41 | VoidRaider|afk | I'll upload it to WoWInterface too haha |
| 20:49.16 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 20:49.23 | VoidRaider|afk | :D |
| 20:58.12 | seebs | Kiphere: Track is an aura. |
| 20:58.28 | seebs | Well, I'm up and thinking about an overhaul of the core event-handling logic in my UI. |
| 20:58.44 | seebs | It sounded so VERY clever when I wrote it, but it turns out to be annoying and full of special cases. |
| 20:58.52 | seebs | Hmm. |
| 20:59.06 | seebs | Okay, I have a really wacky question, which I would like to bounce off the modding geniuses here. |
| 20:59.34 | seebs | Imagine a hypothetical UI which tracks about 20 kinds of UI events; it presumably has a huge OnEvent function to sort between them. |
| 20:59.57 | VoidRaider | Yeah I uploaded it to WoWInterface :P |
| 21:00.00 | seebs | Now imagine that, instead, it declares two or three frames, each of which registers only a few kinds of UI events, and that each of these frames thus has a much smaller OnEvent function. |
| 21:00.13 | VoidRaider | now it's awaiting for approval :) |
| 21:00.23 | seebs | Would the decrease in string operations on each event pay for the memory used by the hidden frames? |
| 21:00.28 | foxlit | [Cu]Werik: ping |
| 21:00.39 | [Cu]Werik | Go ahead |
| 21:01.22 | amro | seebs: its a memory-performance tradeoff... it's up to you to decide which you want more |
| 21:01.42 | seebs | Hmm. |
| 21:01.47 | seebs | I might do it just to make the code more manageable. |
| 21:01.48 | foxlit | On the addon details page, right column, "New Files" header. Every second entry is unreadable (white on light grey) |
| 21:01.54 | Cide | by far the most elegant solution code-wise would, in my opinion, be to make a table where each event is a key with a function as its value |
| 21:02.10 | seebs | Well, my original idea was very much like that. |
| 21:02.13 | Cide | then your event handler will just do a table lookup and a function call |
| 21:02.23 | [Cu]Werik | Yes, I encountered that myself as well |
| 21:02.34 | foxlit | Someone probably typoed a css class |
| 21:03.04 | foxlit | (Looking at it now, there are also rather weird entries in the list above that -- B3D8F7C3FCAE...) |
| 21:03.05 | seebs | I originally wanted to do all sorts of clever things with automating the guessing of UI events, but it turns out that the mapping between UI events and things players care about isn't 1:1. |
| 21:03.08 | Cide | and you won't see any performance decrease until you reach an extremely high number of events |
| 21:03.14 | seebs | For instance, "Player Hit" and "Player Crit" show up on the same UI event. |
| 21:03.16 | seebs | Hmm. |
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| 21:03.45 | amro | one function can handle both |
| 21:03.52 | [Cu]Werik | Apart from this bug - which will be solved soon hopefully - any suggestion about the sidebar? |
| 21:04.02 | seebs | Yeah, one function can handle both, but it complicates the logic. |
| 21:04.38 | seebs | Still, I like that idea. Doing that will make it easier to modify the event list later. |
| 21:05.03 | amro | you're going to have to handle the even't sargs one way or another |
| 21:05.16 | foxlit | Nah, it's pretty good. |
| 21:05.28 | seebs | Yeah, but just having the combat events not all have to go through the 25 or so special cases for spell event logic... |
| 21:05.38 | foxlit | seebs: here's my evil plan. |
| 21:05.49 | seebs | Uh-oh. Evil? |
| 21:06.04 | seebs | Does this mean you're shooting for a spot in the credits for WhisperRLC? |
| 21:06.12 | foxlit | Not really. |
| 21:06.25 | foxlit | Very. All of my events are owned by a single frame. The frame maintains a table of functions to call when a specific event is raised. |
| 21:09.01 | foxlit | Tables are probably expensive, but it makes it easier to register functions for specific events, and I don't have to about actual OnEvent/RegisterEvent/UnregisterEvent calls |
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| 21:29.59 | seebs | I suspect that table lookups are substantially cheaper than if str == a elseif str == b. |
| 21:30.09 | seebs | And as long as it's a single large table, it should be cheap. |
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| 21:36.45 | foxlit | How do custom textures work in combination with SetVertexColor? |
| 21:37.39 | VoidRaider | night everyone |
| 21:39.12 | KiphereCE | blah, I leave for 20 minutes and come backand I can't get shit working anymore. |
| 21:42.39 | KiphereCE | jesus, I swear I get dumber by the minute. |
| 21:42.50 | Xuerian | WoW has that effect.. |
| 21:43.05 | Xuerian | DoT. Dumber over Time. |
| 21:43.10 | KiphereCE | I'm sitting here beating my xml all to shit tryin to figure out where the problem is that's making it not display |
| 21:43.15 | KiphereCE | I don't have it referenced in my toc. |
| 21:43.25 | KiphereCE | purl, slap KiphereCE |
| 21:43.37 | purl | ACTION slaps KiphereCE, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 21:43.38 | Xuerian | ~slap KiphereCE |
| 21:43.40 | purl | ACTION slaps KiphereCE, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 21:43.40 | amro | stupid stuff like that happens to me all the time |
| 21:43.45 | Xuerian | XD |
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| 21:43.47 | amro | well not all the time, but often enough |
| 21:44.17 | foxlit | Checked Logs\FrameXML.log? |
| 21:44.31 | KiphereCE | huh? |
| 21:44.50 | Xuerian | foxlit: He knew the problem :p |
| 21:45.04 | KiphereCE | I didnt have my xml document listed in my toc :p |
| 21:46.43 | KiphereCE | I hate this xml editor too |
| 21:49.25 | foxlit | notepad <3 |
| 21:51.12 | Xuerian | lua CreateFrame() ftw. |
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| 21:57.47 | KiphereCE | I'm just learning Xuerian. |
| 21:57.55 | KiphereCE | and I am picking xml up way faster than I was lua ;P |
| 21:58.10 | Xuerian | KiphereCE: Whatever works :p |
| 21:58.19 | KiphereCE | nothing usually, thats why I'm still learning ;) |
| 21:58.46 | KiphereCE | my first foray into this was pure lua, no xml. |
| 21:59.11 | KiphereCE | I can make frames in lua too, but making lua and xml work together eluded me so I'm working on xml now then making the two play nice together |
| 22:00.09 | Xuerian | Ahh. |
| 22:00.26 | seebs | Hey, anyone here ever tried to run WoW under TransGaming's Linux hackery? |
| 22:00.49 | Tain | A lot of people run under Cedega |
| 22:00.52 | seebs | Yeah. |
| 22:01.02 | seebs | I'm trying to think whether I care about any of the games I wouldn't be able to run under it. |
| 22:01.03 | bleetah | so, last night, claims on the new Ravenholdt realm that 4 level 7's and a level 10 claimed the towers in EPL... I didn't believe it, but then 'The Plaguewood Tower was taken by the Horde' came up on WorldDefense |
| 22:01.27 | KiphereCE | rofl awesome |
| 22:01.27 | seebs | How??? |
| 22:01.36 | KiphereCE | corspetrain |
| 22:01.55 | seebs | I suppose, yeah. |
| 22:01.57 | KiphereCE | you could prolly corpsehop to a safe spot in range of the towers, don't they cap on proximity? |
| 22:02.04 | seebs | Oh, my. |
| 22:02.05 | seebs | Hee! |
| 22:02.42 | KiphereCE | now, if a lowbie gets himself some sandlol then I'll be impressed. |
| 22:02.42 | seebs | I was thinking about branching AnnoyRP so I can keep my "stable" branch for bug fixes and start a new branch for some new code ideas. |
| 22:03.03 | seebs | Then I realized how much I loathe doing development on Windows, and how annoying it is trying to get the tools I want. |
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| 22:04.00 | seebs | I am willing to put 8 hours into reloading and debugging just to get a native X environment with vi. |
| 22:04.32 | KiphereCE | why not just dual boot? |
| 22:04.46 | Mike-N-Go | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:04.51 | seebs | Hmm. |
| 22:04.55 | bleetah | or VMWare |
| 22:05.03 | seebs | Well, it's worth a thought. It would take some doing to free up space and such. |
| 22:05.06 | KiphereCE | my toy box has redhat something or other running on it and windows. |
| 22:05.20 | seebs | Current support for NTFS in Linux isn't where I'd want it to be, so drama would ensue on that part. |
| 22:05.53 | KiphereCE | I always break my HDD's up into at least 3 partitions. |
| 22:05.56 | seebs | w |
| 22:05.59 | seebs | Argh. |
| 22:06.03 | phreaky | is the info u get from /who <nick> a system msg? |
| 22:06.20 | KiphereCE | purl, /who |
| 22:06.28 | purl | somebody said /who was apt |
| 22:06.28 | seebs | Anyway, yeah. Thinking about it. The current build on this box is a relic, it dates back to a failing power supply and a quick "just load clean and see whether it runs." |
| 22:06.48 | phreaky | I can't see my /who's anymore =/ Dunno what's causing it |
| 22:06.53 | phreaky | don't get the info in any window |
| 22:07.11 | KiphereCE | did you change filters recently or get a chatbox mod? |
| 22:07.18 | phreaky | I got Prat |
| 22:07.24 | KiphereCE | dunno what that is |
| 22:07.38 | phreaky | It's a chat/editbox/etc addon |
| 22:07.59 | KiphereCE | unless it has a filter system built in I wouldn't know. |
| 22:08.08 | phreaky | I've always seen it before.. hmm strange |
| 22:08.40 | KiphereCE | you could always set your chat windows back to default and see what happens ;p |
| 22:08.45 | KiphereCE | like change to simplechat and back |
| 22:09.29 | phreaky | gonna test that |
| 22:12.48 | phreaky | Seems as it was the addon IgnoreMore |
| 22:12.54 | phreaky | Worked when i disabled that |
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| 22:15.12 | KiphereCE | hrm, you don't have to change <frame> to <frames> as long as you indent right? |
| 22:15.36 | KiphereCE | so I could do <Frame> for the parent, tab in <Frame> for a child of that frame etc? |
| 22:15.56 | KiphereCE | or should you set it up as <Frame> for the parent, then <Frames> <Frame> inside? |
| 22:16.13 | Antari | I was under the impression that WoW could care less about spaces/tabs/indenting and it has no meaning what-so-ever... |
| 22:16.23 | foxlit | whitespace is insignificant in xml |
| 22:16.35 | KiphereCE | ... |
| 22:16.48 | KiphereCE | you're sayin if I don't tab anything whatsoever, it'll read just fine? |
| 22:16.53 | Antari | Yes |
| 22:17.01 | KiphereCE | wtf |
| 22:17.13 | Iriel | foxlit: That's not strictly true in the general case, but for the most part in WOW's use of XML it has no significance. |
| 22:17.22 | KiphereCE | ok taht doesnt make any bloody sense then >< |
| 22:17.28 | Antari | It parses it based on the opening/closing tags having the proper names, it don't care about spaces :) |
| 22:17.35 | KiphereCE | I thought the whole indenting thing helped set up relations between items |
| 22:17.55 | Antari | It might help YOU set up relations, but it doesn't help WoW |
| 22:18.16 | Antari | <frames> and <frame> helps WoW |
| 22:18.23 | KiphereCE | well that answers taht. |
| 22:18.39 | KiphereCE | thanks, that explains a few problems I'ev been having at least. |
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| 22:19.07 | foxlit | Iriel: The exception would be if you're actually using an element to designate stored data, I guess? |
| 22:19.18 | KiphereCE | ok, so a frame exists inside of a <frames> tag inside of the main <frame> |
| 22:19.50 | Iriel | foxlit: yes, such as in xhtml |
| 22:20.56 | foxlit | yes |
| 22:23.54 | JoshBorke | hola! |
| 22:26.50 | seebs | Hola. |
| 22:27.15 | seebs | Kiphere: You got it. It's tags. Indenting is only there to make it easier for you to see what you did. |
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| 22:27.32 | seebs | The relations between tags are defined by the tags themselves, not by their indentation. |
| 22:28.51 | Fumler[N] | anyone know what module and what string in "Prat" I have to edit to change how it looks when a person writes? like "g Fumler:" instead of "g <Fumler>" |
| 22:29.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | man dota players are mean as hell |
| 22:30.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've been joining games trying to get a map and before it gets to 5% (usually takes about 2 sec) i get booted |
| 22:30.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | 1% that time |
| 22:30.54 | KiphereCE | ok, question about functionality. |
| 22:31.35 | KiphereCE | I wanna make a menu mod basically. if you mouse4 click it opens a menu with x buttons wherever you clicked. |
| 22:31.45 | KiphereCE | you click on one of those and it opens up the appropriate list of spells. |
| 22:31.51 | KiphereCE | then you click ont he spell and it casts. |
| 22:31.55 | KiphereCE | shoudl be possible right? |
| 22:33.09 | KiphereCE | think neverwinternights :p |
| 22:34.36 | foxlit | only out of combat. |
| 22:34.44 | KiphereCE | what kills it in combat? |
| 22:34.59 | foxlit | can't show/hide secureframes in combat. |
| 22:35.15 | KiphereCE | I thought you could with hardware events |
| 22:35.22 | KiphereCE | like clicks or button presses |
| 22:37.03 | foxlit | If it was, decursive & co would be easily implementable |
| 22:37.13 | Nargiddley | look for the SecurePieHeader, pretty sure that was designed for this exact thing |
| 22:37.21 | KiphereCE | decursive makes intelligent decisions. |
| 22:37.34 | foxlit | You make intelligent decisions by showing/hiding things |
| 22:37.39 | KiphereCE | the securestate stuff broke the ability to have a dynamically updating 'frame' that also allowed targeting or casting |
| 22:38.05 | Nargiddley | there is a SecureHeader that will show a ring of buttons around it when clicked, that makes it possible |
| 22:38.40 | KiphereCE | the first couple lines of the securestateheader file pretty much dictate taht as long as you use the secure templates for state changes then you're cool. |
| 22:38.43 | Xuerian | KiphereCE: There was already a mod made that did that. In fact, SecurePieHeader was made so it could be made to work with 2x. The author hasn't updated it yet though, "Sproket". It was blissful. |
| 22:39.18 | foxlit | So the lock there is not being able to choose what to show in combat, I guess. |
| 22:39.28 | foxlit | Otherwise, stack 40 frames on top of one another and show/hide at will |
| 22:39.35 | Nargiddley | the lock only applies to non bliz code |
| 22:39.46 | KiphereCE | as long as you manually tell it to do things it'll do it. |
| 22:39.50 | Nargiddley | they suppied some Headers that can do a few specific things |
| 22:39.53 | KiphereCE | you can't have it show / hide on events and shit |
| 22:40.03 | Nargiddley | to allow functionality that they deem ok |
| 22:40.07 | KiphereCE | at least that's how I understand what I've read so far. |
| 22:40.33 | Nargiddley | you can do some specific events, stance changes for example. But its all under thier control |
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| 22:42.13 | KiphereCE | I'd just have to figure out how to make it follow the mouse, I think I pretty much know how to do it after the initial display |
| 22:42.27 | KiphereCE | from reading the stickies on the wow forums |
| 22:43.30 | KiphereCE | my friend basically wants to target some one, thumbclick, open a radial list with 'buff', 'heal', 'whatever', 'whatever'. then click on one of those options and it opens up a list of spells that can be cast from that final teir of buttons |
| 22:44.49 | Celendis | The NWN1 interface menu? ;) |
| 22:45.05 | KiphereCE | exactly. |
| 22:45.11 | KiphereCE | he's a fan |
| 22:45.20 | KiphereCE | I dunno what it looks like cause I didn't play NWN |
| 22:45.41 | KiphereCE | I was eyeballing the pie buttons for some other uses too anyway |
| 22:45.41 | Celendis | I am sure you can find some screenshots of it on teh intarwebs |
| 22:45.43 | KiphereCE | like 'infrequently used totems' |
| 22:45.54 | KiphereCE | having 1 button, you click on it and it opens up in a radial with all the lesser used totems. |
| 22:45.58 | KiphereCE | so you still have them somewhat on demand |
| 22:46.22 | KiphereCE | or blessings/buffs/tradeskill junk/whatever |
| 22:46.45 | KiphereCE | I'm weird though, I absolutely hate opening my spell/skill window to click on a button so I end up with everything I can do + consumables on hotkeys |
| 22:46.45 | Celendis | I have no idea how to go about it, but I am sure it would be relatively popular. |
| 22:47.05 | KiphereCE | the securepiebutton thing would be perfect, its been done before. |
| 22:47.10 | Celendis | ... until they use it and it isn't fast enough. lol |
| 22:47.11 | KiphereCE | like some one above said |
| 22:47.22 | ckknight | mmm... secure pie |
| 22:47.23 | Iriel | Note that the pie thing supports click to open release to 'use' |
| 22:47.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh wow spammers are getting smart now |
| 22:47.47 | Malivil | ? |
| 22:47.55 | KiphereCE | that's optional though right Iriel? |
| 22:47.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | they're using CAPTCHAs in email spam now |
| 22:48.10 | KiphereCE | cause I'd actualy wanna open a menu of menu buttons basically. |
| 22:48.18 | KiphereCE | the third teir would be where the castables would be for the earlier example. |
| 22:48.27 | Iriel | KiphereCE: Yes, you can configure it either way |
| 22:48.37 | KiphereCE | killer, I know what I'm readin tomorrow at work then ;) |
| 22:48.43 | Iriel | But it's nice for those who dont want the extra click |
| 22:49.04 | KiphereCE | yeah, it'd be great for the totem menu or other 1 level deep menus |
| 22:49.14 | KiphereCE | just sorta kills taking it any farther. |
| 22:50.18 | KiphereCE | silly question, but do the buttons show up as round? :p |
| 22:50.27 | KiphereCE | or does the reference to pie stop at the layout? ;) |
| 22:51.46 | Malivil | you can make the buttons round |
| 22:51.58 | KiphereCE | how much shoehorning does it take though? |
| 22:52.06 | Malivil | i dont know |
| 22:52.07 | KiphereCE | purl, pie? |
| 22:52.09 | purl | Mmmmmm PIE! |
| 22:52.22 | Malivil | but there is a bar mod out that has round buttons for it |
| 22:52.28 | Iriel | The pie template has NO visual component |
| 22:52.43 | KiphereCE | yeah, I saw that. it had some weird shadey bit around the edges Malivil. |
| 22:52.55 | KiphereCE | I'm cool with the square buttons personally. |
| 22:53.12 | Iriel | the usual 'round button' trick is a circular mask big enough to cover the square edge, but it's by necessity quite 'thick' |
| 22:53.38 | KiphereCE | yeah, you'd have to have custome icons to replace like every spell icon I'd assume to do otherwise. |
| 22:53.50 | KiphereCE | which would be a bit more of an endeavor than most will want to commit to. |
| 22:53.59 | KiphereCE | I suppose it wouldnt be terribly hard though |
| 22:54.08 | Malivil | lots of photoshopping |
| 22:54.15 | Iriel | though you could likely script it if you can find some BLP tools |
| 22:54.18 | KiphereCE | if you think about it, you could create a transparency mask of the right dimensions for 1 hotkey. |
| 22:54.34 | KiphereCE | don't all the spell icons exist on a single sheet? |
| 22:54.40 | Malivil | no |
| 22:54.42 | foxlit | no |
| 22:54.47 | KiphereCE | oh kek |
| 22:54.47 | Malivil | they aren't sprites |
| 22:55.04 | Malivil | they are individual icons packaged in an mpq |
| 22:55.17 | Iriel | The WoW UI engine doesn't support multi-textures so we can't apply an external transparency mask |
| 22:55.24 | Iriel | If we could it'd make it a whole lot easier |
| 22:55.34 | KiphereCE | its a blp file though once you unpack right? |
| 22:55.39 | Malivil | yea |
| 22:56.12 | KiphereCE | so, couldnt you just take each one, convert it to png, 'remove' the corners to make em circular, save em off as tga, and reference them as an addon graphic? |
| 22:56.43 | Iriel | yes, you could |
| 22:56.49 | Iriel | thus my comment above about scripting it |
| 22:56.58 | KiphereCE | meh, how many spell icons can there be? ;) |
| 22:57.04 | Malivil | hundreds |
| 22:57.45 | KiphereCE | thats not that big a deal really. probably a few hours work manually if you prep right |
| 22:58.02 | Malivil | yup |
| 22:58.17 | KiphereCE | i've no idea how to tell the game to use the new files once I created them though ;) |
| 22:58.30 | KiphereCE | I'll have to look at it the week after next when I'm off and have more time. |
| 22:58.31 | Malivil | thats most of the work |
| 22:58.32 | foxlit | Hm. |
| 22:58.52 | KiphereCE | mal: the graphics or telling the game how to use em? |
| 22:59.07 | Iriel | If you can create BLP's from them again you can drop them in the right directory and the game will use yours instead |
| 22:59.10 | Malivil | 2nd |
| 22:59.17 | foxlit | Downloading every single icon again is just weird |
| 22:59.19 | KiphereCE | sorta like the Tking mods? |
| 22:59.22 | Malivil | oh wait |
| 22:59.23 | Malivil | thats true |
| 22:59.27 | Iriel | KiphereCE: Yes |
| 22:59.35 | Malivil | so that parts easy then |
| 22:59.37 | KiphereCE | just put em in a window under data\interface |
| 22:59.43 | KiphereCE | killer, I might actualy do that then. |
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| 23:00.07 | Malivil | those that use circular icons would LOVE you |
| 23:00.16 | KiphereCE | the trick would be having the option to use either or. |
| 23:00.24 | Malivil | mmm |
| 23:00.27 | Malivil | see, thats the hard part |
| 23:00.27 | KiphereCE | like on a standard bar you want square you can, but for a pie menu you want to use round you can |
| 23:00.36 | Malivil | yea |
| 23:00.50 | Malivil | you would need to code in the circulars and not put them in athe replacing folder |
| 23:00.52 | KiphereCE | oh well, I bet if I tossed the graphics out there people would make the mod to use both :p |
| 23:00.59 | Malivil | true |
| 23:01.27 | KiphereCE | I'll poke around ont he files tonight and see how bad it'd be to do. |
| 23:01.38 | KiphereCE | I actualy wanted to replace the spell icons anyway with custom graphics |
| 23:02.09 | KiphereCE | just for fun. |
| 23:02.25 | bleetah | mooo |
| 23:02.39 | KiphereCE | ~mooo |
| 23:02.44 | KiphereCE | ? |
| 23:06.40 | Thunder_Child | ~moo |
| 23:06.43 | purl | mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/moo/ |
| 23:07.14 | KiphereCE | hrm, alot of the icons are weird. |
| 23:07.24 | KiphereCE | not just an icon, but like a sheet with multiple sizes |
| 23:10.26 | KiphereCE | that would explain why no one has done it yet. |
| 23:10.56 | KiphereCE | those little weird icons with 4 different size/reso's will be really difficult to 'trim' without screwing up the neighboring icon |
| 23:14.43 | KiphereCE | if I wanted to amke something appear wherever I click would that be easy to code? like if i mouse3 in the middle of the screen make a button appear under the mouse? |
| 23:15.03 | KiphereCE | or would I have to essentialy have an inivisble frame following my mouse from the time the interface loads up |
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| 23:17.53 | DT | Hey all, can anyone help with a quick addon problem? |
| 23:17.58 | KiphereCE | maybe, I'm a newby |
| 23:18.16 | KiphereCE | but i'm always staring at the screen. |
| 23:18.19 | KiphereCE | maybe purl can help. |
| 23:18.22 | DT | I wrote a small addon to divert officer chat into a separate window from guild chat, because you can't do that in the default UI |
| 23:18.22 | KiphereCE | purl, help DT |
| 23:18.44 | DT | I hooked ChatFrame_OnEvent and if the event is CHAT_MSG_OFFICER then I display the message in a diff. window and never call the original function |
| 23:19.04 | DT | The addon itself works fine, but I can't get it to save which window I want the text diverted to |
| 23:19.16 | DT | In my *toc, I have ## SavedVariables: OCD_Vars |
| 23:19.40 | DT | OCD_Vars["chatFrame"] = DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME by default |
| 23:20.01 | DT | Then I set it to something else, like ChatFrame2, reload my UI, and OCD_Vars is just an empty table {} |
| 23:20.04 | DT | And I can't see why |
| 23:20.08 | Nargiddley | not sure if you can save a frame directly into saved vars |
| 23:20.11 | Thunder_Child | are you sure you cant just have the chat window display officer chat? |
| 23:20.11 | Mery | default chat frame is a reference to an object |
| 23:20.15 | Nargiddley | will have to be a name |
| 23:20.18 | KiphereCE | you need to tell it to write to the table |
| 23:20.38 | KiphereCE | and like they said DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME is an actual object already |
| 23:20.43 | Xuerian | KiphereCE: As for your frame-at-mouse, just register for clicks :P |
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| 23:21.10 | DT | Yeah, I thought I could have it be the reference to the object so I wouldn't have to do getglobal(OCD_Vars["chatFrame"]) |
| 23:21.12 | Xuerian | KiphereCE: Or hook the uiparent events.. or something. |
| 23:21.18 | KiphereCE | Xuerian so registerforclick, tie it to mouse4 or whatever, and have it 'onclick' show the button? |
| 23:21.25 | KiphereCE | how do I tell it to show 'where' the mouse is though? |
| 23:21.38 | Nargiddley | will have to save the name and getglobal, dont think you can get around that |
| 23:21.53 | DT | k, thanks Nargiddley |
| 23:22.32 | KiphereCE | the one i Messed with before would pop a window up in the middle of the screen when I clicked with my 4th button |
| 23:22.38 | KiphereCE | but I want it to pop up wherever I actualy clcik |
| 23:22.40 | KiphereCE | click~ |
| 23:22.50 | Xuerian | http://wowwiki.com/API_GetCursorPosition |
| 23:22.54 | KiphereCE | too much typing today, hands getting weary |
| 23:23.13 | KiphereCE | killer, thanks! |
| 23:23.36 | KiphereCE | dunno how i missed that >< |
| 23:25.09 | Xuerian | hehe |
| 23:28.02 | VoidRaider | The maturity, http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=97820439&sid=1 |
| 23:30.49 | Thunder_Child | sweet i just got a queen size sheet set at 600TC of egyptian cotton for under $100 |
| 23:31.09 | Xuerian | o.0 |
| 23:31.21 | Thunder_Child | pure black to |
| 23:31.24 | KiphereCE | thats not bad. |
| 23:31.26 | Thunder_Child | <-- happy |
| 23:31.36 | KiphereCE | I use flannel sheets and live in texas. |
| 23:31.41 | KiphereCE | I'm like always damp. |
| 23:31.51 | Thunder_Child | ya, you might want to try silk |
| 23:32.03 | DT | Works like a charm Nargiddley, thanks again |
| 23:32.04 | KiphereCE | I hate 'slippery' sheets. |
| 23:32.32 | Thunder_Child | well i cant say that cotton would be any cooler |
| 23:32.46 | KiphereCE | hard cotton is, doesnt hold the heat as well |
| 23:32.54 | Thunder_Child | having never tried flannel sheets |
| 23:33.02 | KiphereCE | they're comfy and soft. |
| 23:33.06 | Thunder_Child | so is cotton |
| 23:33.12 | KiphereCE | when its cold its great |
| 23:33.27 | KiphereCE | we have some 'jersey' sheets to |
| 23:33.37 | KiphereCE | not entirely sure what that is but they cost too much so we only have 2 sets |
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| 23:33.51 | KiphereCE | plus our stupid bed is california king which makes it a bitch to buy linens anyway |
| 23:34.05 | Thunder_Child | so i have noticed when searhing |
| 23:34.12 | Thunder_Child | i have a queen so it's not to bad |
| 23:35.07 | Thunder_Child | hmm..jersey sheets seem to be made out of t-shirt material |
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| 23:35.17 | KiphereCE | they're really comfortable |
| 23:35.25 | KiphereCE | stretchy and soft |
| 23:36.06 | KiphereCE | I grew up on hard cotton sheets and then joined the army so I had those sheets + the horrible green wool blankets |
| 23:36.18 | KiphereCE | I could wrap myself with fiberglass and sleep at this point |
| 23:36.28 | Thunder_Child | heh, i found a full set of jersey sheets for around $100 |
| 23:37.16 | Thunder_Child | make that 80 w/o tax+s&h |
| 23:37.16 | KiphereCE | I had no idea how much shit our unit bars registered until I started tryin to make one. |
| 23:37.19 | KiphereCE | I mean, jesus. |
| 23:38.16 | KiphereCE | I'm thinkin I'm going to do a lil plagerism first to get the hang of it (with credit given of course) |
| 23:39.25 | Thunder_Child | bah!...it costs just as much for a comforter as the entire other sheet set |
| 23:40.01 | Thunder_Child | and thats w/o the cover as well |
| 23:40.42 | KiphereCE | I gotta start recruiting for my reroll guild soon ;p |
| 23:41.06 | KiphereCE | gonna do the 'got a pulse? welcome home!' thing at first then trim the fat once the bulk of the guild hits 40ish |
| 23:42.46 | Elessdy | that doesn't seem to be a way to get a good reputation |
| 23:42.57 | KiphereCE | depends on what you consider a good reputation. |
| 23:43.16 | KiphereCE | In person, on the forums, and in general I'm nice, polite, and courteous to folks. |
| 23:43.32 | KiphereCE | in game I'm a little more of a hardass and more of a 'Angry General' type of person |
| 23:43.43 | Elessdy | "people who aren't jerks for kicking us out after inviting us". your reputation for performance at raiding would be entirely based on.. well, your performance. |
| 23:44.09 | KiphereCE | by trimming the fat I mean cutting folks who don't keep up with the bars we set within guild. |
| 23:44.36 | KiphereCE | there will be goals, the folks that don't meet em get dropped. |
| 23:44.36 | Elessdy | i understood that |
| 23:44.57 | KiphereCE | It's not going to be a surprise, I'm pretty upfront with folks about those types of things. |
| 23:45.01 | Elessdy | unless you intend to have the goals explained before people join -- i dodn't understand that |
| 23:45.18 | KiphereCE | I'm always upfront about things like that. |
| 23:45.19 | Elessdy | dodn't? do'd not. |
| 23:45.29 | KiphereCE | heh |
| 23:45.55 | KiphereCE | basically I expect the majority of the 'fat' at 40ish to be the folks that join at 10 and decide to go back to their old server so they don't log in for 2 weeks. |
| 23:45.58 | Elessdy | then they can't expect anything less, i guess. good job. my next question is why you want to start another guild rather than joining one. |
| 23:46.21 | KiphereCE | I've been joining guilds since release. |
| 23:46.37 | KiphereCE | in every MMO I've played before I ran guilds, did good, not th ebest on the server but a fun guild that accomplished things. |
| 23:46.57 | KiphereCE | every guild I've been in here has been a loot oriented backstab fest it seems. |
| 23:47.03 | KiphereCE | and they almost always implode under pressure. |
| 23:47.32 | Elessdy | arr. |
| 23:47.36 | KiphereCE | Figure, fresh start, new server, new expansion, might as well try to replicate what I've done in previous games with a gruop of folks I've done it with elsewhere. |
| 23:47.52 | Elessdy | you have some coming with you? |
| 23:47.59 | KiphereCE | couple of my long time gaming buddies are rolling with me to help run things. |
| 23:49.01 | Elessdy | good luck with that, then. i expect you'll do fine with it, with the experience you have. |
| 23:49.11 | KiphereCE | Hope so. |
| 23:49.22 | KiphereCE | not lookin to be the next FoH, but I'd like to be int he top 5 at least ;) |
| 23:49.25 | KiphereCE | for the server that is |
| 23:50.21 | Elessdy | i'm still on my WoW vacation, i guess, since the addons haven't all caught up, yet. |
| 23:50.51 | KiphereCE | I'm not playin much at the moment just because I know I'm starting over in a a month... can't help but feel like anything I do in game right now is a waste. |
| 23:51.07 | KiphereCE | so I BG a bit for fun, then log over here and pester people with newby author questions ;) |
| 23:51.08 | Corrodias | you could spend the cash to transfer |
| 23:51.23 | KiphereCE | I wanna be a belf and I wanna start on a 'fresh' server |
| 23:51.39 | KiphereCE | I will probably move my two horde 60's over once we get established though |
| 23:51.59 | KiphereCE | ~emulate KiphereCE |
| 23:52.01 | purl | ACTION asks Cogwheel lots of annoying questions. |
| 23:52.01 | Corrodias | do you have a realm in mind? |
| 23:52.11 | foxlit | Eris Havenfire: Be healted, $g priest:priestess;. |
| 23:52.16 | foxlit | Blizzard is bleeding code :/ |
| 23:52.25 | foxlit | (typo is mine) |
| 23:52.30 | KiphereCE | No idea, I'm holding out hope they launch a new PVP realm with the expansion so we can start on a brand new realm |
| 23:52.39 | Corrodias | now that's a solid plan. |
| 23:53.10 | KiphereCE | if they don't (unlikely) we'll just collect on one of my friends servers with our existing cahracters and roll twinks :p |
| 23:53.38 | KiphereCE | I highly doubt they'd launch the expansion without at least 1 of each server type though |
| 23:55.17 | Corrodias | agreed |