| 00:01.40 | KiphereCE | ok, gotta decide if I wanna do my graphical dashboard first or try to figure out the pie button things |
| 00:01.58 | KiphereCE | unit frames are totally out of the question for me right now heh, eyeballing even the default one makes my butt hurt. |
| 00:03.31 | foxlit | Kip, a complete implementation is difficult |
| 00:03.38 | foxlit | You can easily build around some basics |
| 00:04.08 | KiphereCE | well, one of the concepts I had was for a panel across the top sorta like a fat titan panel |
| 00:04.23 | KiphereCE | that had the player bar, target, and ToT, built into it. |
| 00:04.31 | KiphereCE | along with some other elements I am comfortable with doing already |
| 00:04.39 | KiphereCE | I think I know how to do it graphically. |
| 00:04.48 | KiphereCE | but the player bar, target, adn ToT code just looks daunting |
| 00:05.39 | Corrodias | i wonder why cartoon writers try to make soy look bad |
| 00:06.02 | Corrodias | at least, that's what i'd like to say |
| 00:06.22 | Corrodias | i know it's because soy is perceived to be healthy, and they think anything healthy has to be disgusting |
| 00:06.25 | Thunder_Child | i dunno, the soy milk cartons seem fine to me |
| 00:07.08 | Corrodias | arr. i like soy milk, as long as i don't expect it to taste like cow milk. |
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| 00:07.21 | Industrial | hmm |
| 00:07.28 | Industrial | I actually Just watched Pootie Tang |
| 00:07.38 | Gbyrd | is it the one with the black superhero? |
| 00:07.43 | Industrial | yes |
| 00:07.52 | Gbyrd | and he is this sorta nerd |
| 00:07.56 | Industrial | yes |
| 00:07.57 | Gbyrd | with glasses |
| 00:07.59 | Gbyrd | if i can remember |
| 00:08.11 | Gbyrd | its an alright movie |
| 00:08.22 | Industrial | its so begin 90's tho |
| 00:08.51 | Gbyrd | eyah |
| 00:09.05 | Gbyrd | is there a working auctioneer version out right now? |
| 00:09.21 | Gbyrd | compatible with the 2.0? even in alpha stages idc |
| 00:11.20 | kergoth | Gbyrd, www.auctioneeraddon.com .. click on downloads.. scroll down, click on auctioneer.. click on the alpha .zip |
| 00:11.25 | kergoth | gosh, that was difficult |
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| 00:13.21 | Gbyrd | lol sorry i alread got the answer in the other chat |
| 00:13.29 | Gbyrd | i wasnt too sure because the release is sslated for 4.0 |
| 00:13.33 | Gbyrd | but its a 3.9 alpha |
| 00:14.54 | Corrodias | i don't know if 3.9 works in 2.0 |
| 00:15.08 | Gnarfoz | auctioneerpack-3.9.0.1195.zip works fine |
| 00:15.14 | Gnarfoz | for my purposes at least |
| 00:15.15 | kergoth | indeed it does |
| 00:16.28 | KiphereCE | :3 |
| 00:16.31 | KiphereCE | mew |
| 00:16.41 | KiphereCE | WoW needs a cat or bird race. |
| 00:16.54 | KiphereCE | so I can use my cool :> and :3 smiley faces |
| 00:19.38 | KiphereCE | does ItemButtonTemplate had a secure version? |
| 00:22.06 | Corrodias | no idea |
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| 00:38.11 | foxlit | Just use a securebuttontemplate and set the appropriate attributes |
| 00:50.04 | Industrial | eh :> is not a bird |
| 00:50.14 | Industrial | its a sarcastic smile |
| 00:50.27 | Industrial | and :3 is just :3 |
| 00:50.42 | KiphereCE | thats a kitty. |
| 00:50.46 | KiphereCE | gtfo my smiley. |
| 00:50.48 | Industrial | no. |
| 00:51.34 | Thunder_Child | i am going to hunt down and kill whoever came up with emotes |
| 00:51.55 | KiphereCE | ~:3 |
| 00:51.58 | purl | It's a kitty! |
| 00:52.11 | Thunder_Child | ...and thoes who use them |
| 00:52.15 | Industrial | purl, no, forget ~:3 |
| 00:52.28 | Industrial | purl, forget ~:3 |
| 00:52.28 | purl | i didn't have anything called '~:3' to forget, Industrial |
| 00:52.31 | Industrial | :\ |
| 00:52.33 | Thunder_Child | um..that should be just :3 |
| 00:52.44 | KiphereCE | shush ;) |
| 00:52.44 | Industrial | purl, forget :3 |
| 00:52.44 | purl | Industrial: i forgot :3 |
| 00:52.52 | KiphereCE | purl, forget Industrial >< |
| 00:52.52 | purl | KiphereCE: i didn't have anything called 'industrial ><' to forget |
| 00:53.06 | KiphereCE | ~traitor |
| 00:54.15 | KiphereCE | time to figure out hwo to make my xml created action buttons actualy act liek action buttons :p |
| 00:58.31 | Thunder_Child | #*&$#(*&#$&#(@&(&......"free shiping on orders of 150 or more"....in my cart atm 149.98.... |
| 00:58.46 | KiphereCE | ouch. |
| 00:59.06 | Thunder_Child | just wait till i snap.... |
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| 01:00.27 | KiphereCE | :3 |
| 01:01.13 | Thunder_Child | ~drown kitten |
| 01:01.14 | purl | ACTION empathizes with kitten, seeking to drown out their sorrows |
| 01:01.23 | Thunder_Child | umm.....damn |
| 01:01.32 | KiphereCE | ~~ |
| 01:01.34 | purl | hey, that tickles! |
| 01:02.00 | KiphereCE | wife is pissed. |
| 01:02.07 | KiphereCE | sent her out to get beer and bbq. |
| 01:02.13 | KiphereCE | both places were closed >_> |
| 01:02.23 | Thunder_Child | i hope she beats the crap out of you...emote lover |
| 01:02.30 | KiphereCE | ;_; |
| 01:02.40 | Thunder_Child | ~bitchslap KiphereCE |
| 01:02.42 | purl | ACTION beats the sh*t out of KiphereCE |
| 01:03.03 | KiphereCE | @_@ |
| 01:03.17 | KiphereCE | so much angst. |
| 01:03.31 | KiphereCE | ~therapy Thunder_Child |
| 01:03.56 | KiphereCE | of course that doesnt work, no Dr. Phil bot |
| 01:04.51 | Thunder_Child | i would recomend comfort in that situation |
| 01:05.04 | KiphereCE | hrm, do I still need to register events in my lua if i"m just using the lua as a script file for the xml elements? |
| 01:05.42 | [Liquidor] | To track an event: register it |
| 01:06.07 | KiphereCE | I dunno if I need to track anything though.. |
| 01:06.18 | KiphereCE | in my first lua I made all my frames inside the lua itself. |
| 01:06.19 | KiphereCE | no xml |
| 01:06.29 | KiphereCE | now I made a frame and a couple actionbuttons. |
| 01:06.33 | KiphereCE | in xml |
| 01:06.50 | [Liquidor] | Well do you need to listen to any events in your addon? |
| 01:06.59 | KiphereCE | I just want the action buttons to work |
| 01:07.21 | KiphereCE | so I need to do all teh setattributes and what not |
| 01:07.36 | KiphereCE | and set action ids. |
| 01:08.05 | KiphereCE | I figured I'd do an <onload> in the xml, reference a function, build the function in the lua, and bam done right? :p |
| 01:08.37 | [Liquidor] | erhm |
| 01:08.39 | KiphereCE | this is the first time I've tried to combine the two, so far I've only done xml by itself and lua by itself |
| 01:08.49 | KiphereCE | so if that question sounds retarded.. its because I am in this situation |
| 01:08.53 | [Liquidor] | if you want to prevent using .xml then just add the event element to your frame in lua |
| 01:09.23 | KiphereCE | I'm not tryin to expressly 'do' anything aside frmo learn how it works. |
| 01:09.24 | JoshBorke | SetScript("OnEvent",<event handler>) there is no OnLoad for frames created in lua |
| 01:09.25 | [Liquidor] | frame:SetScript("OnLoad", function() DoThis() end) |
| 01:09.35 | KiphereCE | my frames are created in xml... |
| 01:10.21 | [Liquidor] | <OnEvent>ParseEvent(event, ...)</OnEvent> |
| 01:10.40 | KiphereCE | I don't know if I care about any events though. |
| 01:10.44 | KiphereCE | all I'm tryin to do is define button behavior |
| 01:10.50 | KiphereCE | very basic |
| 01:10.52 | [Liquidor] | and in your lua file you create the function ParseEvent(event, ...) and then ... parse it :) |
| 01:11.16 | [Liquidor] | Well It's the same with OnClick, OnMou.... |
| 01:11.19 | KiphereCE | I think I'm askin the questions wrong again, back to staring at other peoples work to try and figure it out :p |
| 01:11.38 | [Liquidor] | Just ask the question |
| 01:11.58 | [Liquidor] | Tell us what you want to create and we tell you how you can do so |
| 01:11.59 | JoshBorke | KiphereCE: to create an action button, just inherit from the ActionButtonTemplate (or whatever it is called) |
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| 01:13.36 | [Liquidor] | JoshBorke: You using TortoiseSVN? |
| 01:14.14 | JoshBorke | [Liquidor]: yes |
| 01:14.48 | [Liquidor] | JoshBorke: busy? |
| 01:14.58 | JoshBorke | no |
| 01:15.48 | [Liquidor] | Okay cause I'm not getting any help in #Wowace at all. All I focking (sorry but been 20 mins with this) want to do is to get the bloody libs down, but don't know how to. |
| 01:16.00 | [Liquidor] | And yes I've RTFM 4 times now but doesn't help me at all. |
| 01:16.09 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 01:16.15 | JoshBorke | you want to do standalone libraries i take it? |
| 01:16.16 | [Liquidor] | Read Wowace.com/wiki - didn't help either since it's not all updated and I'm just lost here |
| 01:16.54 | [Liquidor] | I don't know what I want to do, but when reading the Get Started with Ace2 Tutorial they want me to get the !!!Libs folder down |
| 01:17.25 | JoshBorke | ok, that is horribly outdated then |
| 01:17.31 | JoshBorke | !!!Libs has been removed because it was just a bad idea |
| 01:17.35 | [Liquidor] | The libs have to be in my AddOn folder somewhere aight? And if I only got 1 (ONE) non-Blizzard addon (which is my own) I gotta get the libs down aight? |
| 01:17.37 | Thunder_Child | http://www.wowace.com/files/index.php?path=%21%21%21StandaloneLibraries/ |
| 01:17.50 | Thunder_Child | nvm |
| 01:17.53 | [Liquidor] | Thunder_Child: that's my prob, the folders are empty |
| 01:18.07 | JoshBorke | [Liquidor]: to fill those folders you have to use WAU (SP?) |
| 01:18.24 | Thunder_Child | no, thats doesnt work |
| 01:18.30 | Thunder_Child | that* |
| 01:18.32 | Industrial | why do you want to is the questio |
| 01:18.39 | [Liquidor] | And using WAU doesn't give me anything of 2 reasons: 1) It says it's already installed - no files downloaded 2) I got TortoiseSVN running now so it won't let me. |
| 01:18.52 | [Liquidor] | Industrial: want to what? |
| 01:19.00 | Industrial | have libraries separate |
| 01:19.06 | Industrial | they are embedded just keep them there |
| 01:19.08 | [Liquidor] | I don't get it guys, how (HOW???) do I use the libs if I don't have them !! |
| 01:19.40 | Thunder_Child | you can d/l them seperately |
| 01:19.40 | Industrial | they are in the trunk.. |
| 01:19.41 | JoshBorke | [Liquidor]: do you want to use a few libs for your own addon? |
| 01:19.42 | [Liquidor] | JoshBorke: Yes, please. |
| 01:19.50 | Nargiddley | extract zip, copy the directorys into your Addons folder, run WAU |
| 01:20.02 | JoshBorke | well, i would recommend downloading them individually from the files listing |
| 01:20.06 | [Liquidor] | Nargiddley: WAU doesn't get the files for me |
| 01:20.18 | Nargiddley | do you have all the folders in your Addons directory ? |
| 01:20.24 | [Liquidor] | Yes |
| 01:20.29 | Corrodias | you can download the full Ace2 standalone package. then you toss the folders you need into a /libs subfolder in your addon's folder, then list the .lua files in the .toc. i think. |
| 01:20.31 | [Liquidor] | WAU adds all the folders but nothing to em |
| 01:20.36 | Corrodias | that's just speculations |
| 01:20.37 | Nargiddley | not in the !!!standalonelibs dir ? |
| 01:20.52 | JoshBorke | Corrodias: that's correct |
| 01:20.58 | [Liquidor] | My path is now AddOn/!!!....libs/* |
| 01:21.03 | [Liquidor] | 2 sec |
| 01:21.08 | [Liquidor] | unfinished that line |
| 01:21.24 | [Liquidor] | ..*lib_folders/_nothing |
| 01:21.46 | JoshBorke | [Liquidor]: download the files from your web browser and unzip them manually imho |
| 01:21.55 | JoshBorke | that way you have a static version |
| 01:22.16 | [Liquidor] | Okay, 1 question though: What is !!!StandaloneLibraries for then? |
| 01:22.35 | Corrodias | i've never heard of that |
| 01:23.02 | JoshBorke | [Liquidor]: it's for mass distribution of the libraries and imho a bad idea |
| 01:23.03 | Industrial | its for people that want to rip out the embedded libraries |
| 01:23.05 | [Liquidor] | Corrodias: apparently a replacement of !!!Libs I guess but nothing in em |
| 01:23.22 | Industrial | to improve loading times or something |
| 01:23.23 | Industrial | solly |
| 01:23.25 | JoshBorke | [Liquidor]: it was created so that people could undo embedded libraries to reduce initial log in time |
| 01:23.26 | Industrial | silly* |
| 01:24.03 | Industrial | imho delete it off the svn |
| 01:24.12 | [Liquidor] | That "Get Started with Ace2" Tutorial creates I don't know how many questions and troubles |
| 01:24.14 | JoshBorke | it broke my svn mirror :-( |
| 01:24.17 | Industrial | users shouldnt care and if they do they are able to do it themselves in the first place |
| 01:25.35 | [Liquidor] | Okay quick then: I got /libs/ now, how do I grab the Ace2 lib from the SVN? Should I first create the Ace2 folder and do a checkout or is it done otherwise? |
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| 01:29.09 | JoshBorke | [Liquidor]: is your addon in svn somewhere? |
| 01:29.16 | [Liquidor] | No |
| 01:29.24 | [Liquidor] | I just started with all this Ace2 |
| 01:29.30 | [Liquidor] | Always coded without |
| 01:29.54 | JoshBorke | so here is how most of the addons are setup in the wowace svn |
| 01:30.09 | JoshBorke | they have a subdirectory called Libs or libs or libraries or something like that |
| 01:31.01 | JoshBorke | if you were to just download that directory you wouldn't get the files you needed. the addons define a svn property on the libs folder called svn:externals or externals for short. externals are a way for svn projects to download files from other locations that aren't necessarily part of that svn project |
| 01:31.46 | JoshBorke | what you need is to figure out a way to get the libraries you want. there are a lot of different libraries, some part of ace, most aren't. |
| 01:32.05 | JoshBorke | you should be able to download the libraries individually from http://www.wowace.com/files |
| 01:32.17 | Industrial | that is if you actually need any |
| 01:32.24 | Industrial | i never have |
| 01:32.58 | [Liquidor] | :) |
| 01:33.20 | Industrial | cept hooking and events from ace |
| 01:33.28 | [Liquidor] | Ace'ing seems fairly easy but bringing this SVN into it makes it really confusing for me atm |
| 01:33.29 | JoshBorke | that help liquidor? |
| 01:33.35 | [Liquidor] | Yarr |
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| 01:40.02 | sylvanaar | Shadowed: ping |
| 01:45.45 | KiphereCE | hrm |
| 01:46.01 | KiphereCE | my button isnt showing its icon. |
| 01:46.20 | KiphereCE | it acts right, the frame displays, but the icon for teh spell in that slot doesnt display. |
| 01:47.04 | KiphereCE | do I have to set it as virtual or something? |
| 01:47.43 | KiphereCE | hey neat, I answered my own question :P |
| 01:48.02 | KiphereCE | I think I'll save you guys some spam and just talk to purl in a PM to talk problems out sometimes. -_-;; |
| 01:50.41 | [Liquidor] | =) |
| 01:50.57 | JoshBorke | lol KiphereCE |
| 01:51.00 | JoshBorke | grats :-) |
| 01:51.22 | KiphereCE | I spoke to soon, getting an error now :p |
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| 01:51.39 | [Liquidor] | Woah finally got my own Ace2 addon running !! |
| 01:52.28 | KiphereCE | Hrm. |
| 01:54.25 | KiphereCE | this mean anything specific to anyone? "interface\frameXML\ActionButton.lua:251: Attempt to call method 'SetChecked' (a nil value) |
| 01:55.08 | [Liquidor] | rofl there's even an error on the tutorial :> |
| 01:57.01 | KiphereCE | I'm assuming it has something to do with the fact that I created a checkbutton but didnt really identify it as such. |
| 01:57.14 | KiphereCE | I told the button to inherit actionbuttontemplate and secureactionbuttontemplate |
| 01:57.18 | KiphereCE | thought that was enough |
| 01:58.04 | [Liquidor] | JoshBorke: all the libs im using should be listed in the ...2.0"):new() function except for AceLocale aight? |
| 01:59.38 | JoshBorke | pretty sure, yea |
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| 02:03.34 | [Liquidor] | Gosh this Ace2 stuff is confusing in the beginning |
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| 02:05.23 | KiphereCE | <sigh> if I assign an action ID to a button (and it worked) it shouldnt be telling me SetChecked is returning a nil value. |
| 02:05.41 | [Liquidor] | Heh |
| 02:06.21 | KiphereCE | do I define a button specifically as a 'checkbutton' in xml? |
| 02:06.32 | KiphereCE | I thought I only had to do that when I used CreateFrame in lua |
| 02:06.55 | [Liquidor] | Dunno, I got my own problems here :> |
| 02:07.14 | KiphereCE | I hardly know what I'm doing or I'd offer help, all I know about Ace2 is peopel talk about it a lot. |
| 02:07.23 | KiphereCE | and apparently Flexbar2 will be using it. |
| 02:07.59 | [Liquidor] | I'd love to help you as well but I don't know much about frames yet. Haven't had any need of it yet |
| 02:08.25 | KiphereCE | >_> |
| 02:08.30 | KiphereCE | what are you doing that doesnt involve frames? |
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| 02:10.28 | Industrial | KiphereCE: all i can say is take a look at bongos |
| 02:10.33 | Industrial | and bartender3 |
| 02:10.37 | Industrial | and that other actionbar |
| 02:10.38 | Industrial | for .0 |
| 02:10.40 | Industrial | 2.0 |
| 02:10.44 | Industrial | <- afk |
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| 02:11.41 | [Cu]tomorrow | nn :) |
| 02:12.14 | KiphereCE | those guys make their buttons in lua. |
| 02:12.18 | KiphereCE | something I'm about to do I suppose. |
| 02:12.55 | KiphereCE | I created my buttons in xml since they're embedded in another frame and I just wanted them to ride around on that frame, not sure if I can define the buttons as 'checkbuttons' in xml though. I know how to do it in lua ;P |
| 02:13.18 | JoshBorke | KiphereCE: if you set the parent of the buttons to the frame then they should move around with the frame |
| 02:13.54 | KiphereCE | yeah |
| 02:14.05 | KiphereCE | I was just using the buttons as a toy to practice my alignment and layout in xml |
| 02:14.28 | KiphereCE | If I just create the parent in xml then create all the action buttons in the lua, I wont haev this problem. |
| 02:14.36 | KiphereCE | I still wanna know how to resolve it, cause this 'should' work. |
| 02:15.12 | JoshBorke | checkbuttons are created by using the CheckButton type instead of Button type |
| 02:15.37 | KiphereCE | in xml? so instead of <Button name=Blah> I'd do <CheckButton name=blah> ? |
| 02:15.44 | JoshBorke | yea |
| 02:16.11 | KiphereCE | hrm, k. I didn't think CheckButton was acceptable as an actual tag but I suppose since its a valid frametype it would be wouldn't it. |
| 02:16.18 | JoshBorke | yep |
| 02:16.25 | JoshBorke | you can view the tags by checking out UI.xsd |
| 02:16.51 | KiphereCE | that lists em all? |
| 02:16.59 | JoshBorke | pretty sure, yep |
| 02:17.07 | KiphereCE | I was reading about that and it said early on "for advanced XML users only" which made me runa way ;) |
| 02:17.26 | JoshBorke | lol. it defines all the valid xml available |
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| 02:17.47 | [Liquidor] | JoshBorke: how do I add libraries to my addon? (by lua that is) |
| 02:17.59 | KiphereCE | well that fixed me right up, Thanks Josh. |
| 02:18.10 | [Liquidor] | adding Glory-2.0 to the :new() function doesn't work or at least I get an error when doing that |
| 02:18.15 | JoshBorke | i think that is Ace dependent, isn't it "local <lib> = AceLibrary(<library>) |
| 02:18.29 | KiphereCE | i assumed (wrongly) that by inheriting ActionButtonTemplate and SecureActionButtonTemplate that it'd take the appropriate actions :p |
| 02:19.15 | KiphereCE | ok, killer. |
| 02:19.32 | KiphereCE | now I know how to create the same type of mod in lua by itself and in xml/lua working together. |
| 02:19.39 | KiphereCE | progress! :p |
| 02:20.19 | JoshBorke | =) |
| 02:20.38 | KiphereCE | so far my two dummy mods are: EasyBar which is 120 buttons that can be moved/hidden/locked/shown/scaled individually, and a weaponbar that puts 6hotkeys on a dragable mainframe for buffing your main and offhand weapons with your shaman weaponbuffs ;P |
| 02:21.18 | KiphereCE | gonna start working on a dashboard for the bottom of my screen next and the securepiebuttons that just got added. |
| 02:21.23 | JoshBorke | cool |
| 02:21.27 | JoshBorke | nerf shamans :-P |
| 02:21.29 | KiphereCE | heh |
| 02:21.31 | KiphereCE | I agree ;) |
| 02:21.59 | KiphereCE | I'm just chillin for now until the expansion at which point I'm making a belf pally with some friends and making a new guild on a new server if they launch em with TBC |
| 02:22.33 | KiphereCE | I wanna get the pie buttons down so I can make a NWN style radial menu for my friend and a couple little cheap radial menus for myself |
| 02:23.15 | KiphereCE | once I get a lil more down I'm going to tackle unit bars. |
| 02:23.27 | JoshBorke | you just set the unit attribute... |
| 02:23.41 | JoshBorke | right? |
| 02:23.44 | KiphereCE | I mean complete unit bar replacements :p |
| 02:23.51 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 02:24.19 | KiphereCE | you're laughing at me arent you :p |
| 02:24.59 | KiphereCE | I wanna make my player frame and party frames a lil different :P circular portraits with curved mana/heal/energy/rage bars (sorta like a mini Nurfed Hud) coming out from one side of them |
| 02:25.24 | [Liquidor] | pie buttons? |
| 02:25.38 | JoshBorke | KiphereCE: seen it before |
| 02:25.42 | KiphereCE | yeah, basically built in radial menus that accept a few neat things. |
| 02:25.53 | JoshBorke | [Liquidor]: yea, radial buttons were added for Sprocket ;-) |
| 02:25.56 | KiphereCE | I've sene something liek it Josh, its hard to describe what I'm seeing in my head though. |
| 02:26.07 | KiphereCE | I type gud. |
| 02:26.14 | KiphereCE | purl, slap me. |
| 02:26.22 | purl | ACTION slaps me., keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 02:26.22 | JoshBorke | i believe they were called CircuFrames? |
| 02:26.29 | JoshBorke | iriel would probably know since he started the rovolution |
| 02:26.29 | KiphereCE | that didnt work :p |
| 02:26.56 | KiphereCE | I'm going to start working on the spell icons tomorrow to edit them into round replacement graphics |
| 02:27.14 | Iriel | JoshBorke: I just wrote the first working circular health bar |
| 02:27.14 | KiphereCE | just toy around with them tomorrow, next week when I'm off I'll sit down and crank em all out |
| 02:27.24 | Iriel | JoshBorke: Someone else was trying to do the unit frames that would need them |
| 02:27.35 | JoshBorke | true :-) |
| 02:27.47 | KiphereCE | Iriel: I'm particularly interseted in circular healthbars :p |
| 02:27.59 | JoshBorke | it's all voodoo magic to me |
| 02:28.01 | KiphereCE | is it a full circle or just a segment? |
| 02:28.18 | Iriel | KiphereCE: Well, there's my StatRings addon, it's out of date until I get around to 2.0ifying it, but it's on wowinterface |
| 02:28.23 | Iriel | KiphereCE: Steal all the code you want |
| 02:28.39 | KiphereCE | I may, there's two versions of the unit bars I wanna do. |
| 02:28.47 | JoshBorke | oh yea Iriel! you need to update DevTools on WoWI before the beta category is deleted |
| 02:29.05 | KiphereCE | one puts the player portrait in a circle and your health/mana/energy are rings around the outside (same with target and tot) |
| 02:29.33 | JoshBorke | KiphereCE: the full circle (iirc) is done by rotating 90 degree segments |
| 02:29.35 | KiphereCE | the other was just three 1/3rd circles coming out of the side of the portrait like a pulse wave or something |
| 02:29.53 | KiphereCE | I gotta figure out hwo to do a straight healthbar first ;) |
| 02:30.01 | JoshBorke | KiphereCE: statusbar |
| 02:30.03 | KiphereCE | unitbars are way down on my list of 'learn how to do' since they have so much going on |
| 02:30.24 | KiphereCE | I know what parts I need to study, I just have no idea how they work yet. |
| 02:30.35 | KiphereCE | baby steps. |
| 02:31.08 | KiphereCE | I tried the jump headfirst thing and got too frustrated so I'm just toying with it now to learn how all the syntax works and relationships between the xml, lua, and blizzard toys |
| 02:35.27 | KiphereCE | ~:3 |
| 02:35.34 | purl | It's a Kitty! |
| 02:36.16 | Thunder_Child | ..... |
| 02:36.19 | KiphereCE | heh |
| 02:37.53 | KiphereCE | does the WoW UI Designer thing write the xml for you? |
| 02:38.04 | KiphereCE | at least the layout portions I should say |
| 02:38.06 | [Liquidor] | Gah I can't figure out how to add a library to my addon :S |
| 02:40.57 | Elessdy | shall i continue to play Okami or install Homeworld 2? |
| 02:41.08 | Elessdy | you know the answer! stop hiding! |
| 02:41.45 | KiphereCE | >_> |
| 02:41.47 | KiphereCE | both! |
| 02:41.52 | Elessdy | :o ! |
| 02:42.43 | KiphereCE | watch out, some people *cough Thunder_Childe cough* don't take kindly to emoticons in here. |
| 02:42.54 | Thunder_Child | indeed |
| 02:43.19 | KiphereCE | ~emulate Thunder_Child |
| 02:43.22 | purl | to save time, let's just assume i know everything |
| 02:43.26 | KiphereCE | rofl |
| 02:43.26 | Elessdy | >:F oh :d noes :x |
| 02:43.27 | Guillotine | anybody know a good mpq viewer? |
| 02:43.29 | Guillotine | rofl |
| 02:43.32 | KiphereCE | thats awesome |
| 02:43.33 | [Liquidor] | hah |
| 02:44.00 | Thunder_Child | you are supprised...*sigh*...i see i am not doing my job well |
| 02:44.19 | KiphereCE | Hi, I'm canadian and i have on a hat. >->(:þ |
| 02:46.22 | Elessdy | CANADIANS GO HOME |
| 02:48.40 | Thunder_Child | *cough* one of the ops of this channel is a 'nuck ...i'd be carefull... |
| 02:49.06 | KiphereCE | ChanServe? |
| 02:49.09 | KiphereCE | >_> |
| 02:49.26 | Thunder_Child | Guillotine there is winmpq...i think |
| 02:49.48 | Guillotine | Thunder_Child: I found it a couple mins ago :) |
| 02:49.55 | Guillotine | can't find where music files are stored now though o.O |
| 02:49.58 | Thunder_Child | lol |
| 02:50.26 | KiphereCE | Limewire ;) |
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| 02:51.06 | KiphereCE | :chanserve set -worm glo |
| 03:07.18 | sysrage | anybody know if the second or 2 game lockup i get every once in awhile is caused by sw stats? |
| 03:08.39 | Gngsk | the pause is probably caused by garbage collection |
| 03:09.51 | Guillotine | I can't find the music files :( |
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| 03:10.18 | Elessdy | but i thought lua 5.1 was supposed to bring us incremental garbage collection to prevent those pauses |
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| 03:10.25 | Elessdy | don't tell me it was all for nothing |
| 03:11.53 | Shadowed | sylvanaar: ping |
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| 03:15.08 | JoshBorke | it was all for nothing |
| 03:15.48 | JoshBorke | Mikma: ping |
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| 03:21.26 | KiphereCE | I'm running 1 mod on my shaman and I get 1-2 second pauses for small periods of time almost randomly. |
| 03:21.32 | KiphereCE | Bongos. |
| 03:21.38 | KiphereCE | but I'm fairly certain bongos isn't causing it |
| 03:21.50 | JoshBorke | sounds like gc issues to me |
| 03:22.08 | Tuller | happen when you switch stances or page? |
| 03:22.14 | KiphereCE | nope. |
| 03:22.23 | KiphereCE | i can be just running along and bam, it kicks off. |
| 03:22.33 | KiphereCE | or just sitting still and I"ll notice things like fire adn what not are pausing. |
| 03:22.37 | Elessdy | it sure sounds like GC |
| 03:22.54 | KiphereCE | and its not my card, unless the patch broke my card :P it never presented itself until litterally the day of the patch |
| 03:23.08 | KiphereCE | I assigned blame to server lag but its still happening |
| 03:23.16 | Elessdy | well... if it's GC, it should have happened before the patch, too |
| 03:23.20 | KiphereCE | and it doesnt happen in any of the other games I play, not even remotely. |
| 03:23.39 | KiphereCE | I know alot more about computers and networks than I do lua and xml ;) |
| 03:24.17 | KiphereCE | my PC is pretty healthy, I keep it clean and I defragged just to be safe after the patch because it did some nasty things to my hdd |
| 03:24.27 | JoshBorke | KiphereCE: get PerformanceFu and check your KiB/s increase |
| 03:24.49 | Elessdy | i, on the other hand, roll with a horrible glitter of data all over my drives |
| 03:25.09 | KiphereCE | it's random unfortunately. |
| 03:25.20 | KiphereCE | I'll be fine for an hour or more, then it'll kick up for a couple minutes, then go away |
| 03:25.21 | ckknight | anyone have a Gatherer SV I can see? |
| 03:25.39 | JoshBorke | yea ckk, one sec |
| 03:26.58 | JoshBorke | erm, guess not :-( |
| 03:27.01 | JoshBorke | don't have one anymore |
| 03:27.36 | ckknight | blast |
| 03:27.47 | ckknight | I'm writing a convertor for Cartographer |
| 03:28.00 | KiphereCE | yay, my ferrets eating solids again :) |
| 03:28.07 | ckknight | hurrah, KiphereCE |
| 03:28.31 | KiphereCE | this is a very good thing :P we had to tube feed him three times a day for the last 2 weeks which is unpleasant for him and us. |
| 03:29.23 | Industrial | When I turn quick looting on so I dont have to hold shift I get lag |
| 03:30.00 | Industrial | at the time when stuff gets pulled out of the loot window |
| 03:30.07 | Industrial | for a split second |
| 03:30.19 | Industrial | kinda anoying when you are clearing out a place of mobs :> |
| 03:30.30 | JoshBorke | Industrial: any bag mods? |
| 03:30.33 | Industrial | none |
| 03:30.36 | Industrial | wait |
| 03:30.38 | Industrial | OneBag |
| 03:30.39 | Industrial | lol |
| 03:30.51 | KiphereCE | hrm |
| 03:31.00 | JoshBorke | beats me |
| 03:31.05 | KiphereCE | you know, I turned on quick looting after the patch, think it could cause it by itself? |
| 03:31.18 | Industrial | yeah |
| 03:31.29 | KiphereCE | I'll turn it off tomorrow and run a bit. |
| 03:31.37 | KiphereCE | I keep hitting shift anyway and not looting which makes me annoyed |
| 03:31.52 | JoshBorke | lol, yea KiphereCE, i finally just turned it off |
| 03:31.56 | Industrial | I got used to it |
| 03:32.16 | Industrial | I also always directly start moving after I loot |
| 03:32.20 | Industrial | so i wont see the loot window |
| 03:32.21 | Industrial | :P |
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| 03:32.36 | KiphereCE | ~:3 |
| 03:32.41 | purl | It's a Kitty! |
| 03:32.48 | Industrial | purl, forget :3 |
| 03:32.48 | purl | i forgot :3, Industrial |
| 03:32.50 | JoshBorke | ~literal :3 |
| 03:32.53 | Industrial | pwnt |
| 03:32.55 | Industrial | lol |
| 03:32.58 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 03:33.41 | KiphereCE | ~:3 |
| 03:33.43 | purl | It's still a kitty! douche. |
| 03:33.51 | Industrial | its not a kitty! |
| 03:33.52 | KiphereCE | -_-;; |
| 03:33.58 | Industrial | JoshBorke: tell me :3 is not a kitty |
| 03:34.01 | JoshBorke | *sigh* |
| 03:34.01 | Industrial | no, tell KiphereCE |
| 03:34.24 | KiphereCE | hahaha |
| 03:34.30 | Industrial | but he, and then , and i |
| 03:34.38 | KiphereCE | =^_^= ? |
| 03:34.50 | Industrial | >_> |
| 03:35.11 | KiphereCE | :Þ |
| 03:35.15 | Thunder_Child | ....die..... |
| 03:35.30 | [Liquidor] | Heya fellas, back again. |
| 03:35.40 | KiphereCE | emotes are the only thing that can wake the wicked Thunder_Child from it's deep, dark, slumber. |
| 03:36.03 | [Liquidor] | Coded everything that didn't need a library but now I need Glory-2.0 included. What should I write to add it? |
| 03:36.19 | JoshBorke | local glory = AceLibrary("Glory-2.0") |
| 03:36.33 | [Liquidor] | Is that all? |
| 03:36.36 | [Liquidor] | Great |
| 03:40.33 | [Liquidor] | Any tips on OnEnable vs OnInitialize ? |
| 03:40.44 | ScytheBlade1 | What's the name of the mod that provides the PvP timers? |
| 03:41.01 | Thunder_Child | there are a few |
| 03:41.09 | Thunder_Child | capping does |
| 03:41.21 | ckknight | [Liquidor], read the wiki |
| 03:41.22 | Thunder_Child | so does La Vendetta boss mods |
| 03:42.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm |
| 03:42.26 | ScytheBlade1 | I can't find capping on WoWI or world of war |
| 03:42.28 | ScytheBlade1 | and curse is down |
| 03:43.08 | [Liquidor] | Arh I see. OnInitialize() is always executed while OnEnable is only executed if ... well enabled :) |
| 03:43.23 | [Liquidor] | Just used to the OnLoad event |
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| 03:44.23 | JoshBorke | i'd say OnInitialize is the Ace equivalent to OnLoad |
| 03:44.39 | [Liquidor] | http://www.wowace.com/files/Capping/Capping-r20987.zip |
| 03:44.54 | [Liquidor] | JoshBorke: Yeah I look at it in that way |
| 03:45.40 | [Liquidor] | When using standby is it then toggling between OnEnable OnDisable ? |
| 03:45.54 | JoshBorke | yea |
| 03:46.08 | KiphereCE | Twas the night before patch day and all through the channel, not a creature was stirring except purls script based rabble. |
| 03:46.24 | KiphereCE | The tags were all closed with a backslash and clearance, with hopes that Error Message would not make an appearance. The newbs were all sated their macro's all typed, and cogwheel sat counting all the posts he had sniped. |
| 03:46.41 | KiphereCE | With Cairenn in her Ops and Tem in his Voice, I'd just taught my code to make intelligent choice. |
| 03:46.41 | KiphereCE | When out on the internets there arose such a clatter, I jumped from my script to see what was the matter. |
| 03:46.51 | Elessdy | we saw the thread. that was SOOOO last week. |
| 03:46.55 | KiphereCE | what thread? |
| 03:47.04 | KiphereCE | I just started typing that in notepad |
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| 03:47.14 | KiphereCE | :P |
| 03:47.32 | KiphereCE | I had more lines but I'll stop :p |
| 03:47.37 | [Liquidor] | What the hell are you writing KiphereCE ? o.O |
| 03:47.47 | [Liquidor] | Sounds like a diary |
| 03:48.14 | [Liquidor] | Just missing the first "Dear Diary" |
| 03:49.28 | Neuro | sigh, I hate sounding like a newbie, but did 2.0 change the way functions get hooked? Non-protected functions, of course |
| 03:53.16 | KiphereCE | ("\('_')/") rar |
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| 03:53.46 | Thunder_Child | ~slay KiphereCE |
| 03:53.47 | purl | ACTION brandishes Excalibur! "With this sword, I vanquish thee, KiphereCE!" apt lops off KiphereCE's head. |
| 03:55.36 | Gnarfoz | purl is schizo :D |
| 03:55.56 | Gnarfoz | purl, are you apt? |
| 03:55.59 | Gnarfoz | ;> |
| 03:56.31 | [Liquidor] | Using RegisterEvent("event", "event", true) will only call the event handler once, does this mean it auto-unregisters itself? |
| 03:59.33 | JoshBorke | nn guys |
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| 04:00.12 | [Liquidor] | nvm |
| 04:00.13 | [Liquidor] | nn |
| 04:03.34 | Thunder_Child | night |
| 04:07.30 | Elessdy | haha, you're kidding me... homeworld 2 also uses Lua in some manner |
| 04:08.27 | MentalPower | so does MxO (The Matrix Online) |
| 04:13.25 | Shadowed | Has anyone been running into memory issues tonight while playing? |
| 04:13.45 | Shadowed | sylvanaar: tag you're it |
| 04:13.46 | Elessdy | i'm actually doing a pretty good job of remembering what i'm doing |
| 04:13.57 | Elessdy | until right now.... oh yeah |
| 04:14.05 | kergoth | ~remulate |
| 04:14.10 | purl | where's my moose? |
| 04:19.00 | ckknight | norgs, why does Gatherer use numbers as zone indices? It's so painful to work with :-( |
| 04:19.59 | ckknight | also, is there any way to tell if the database is made for Pre or Post-2.0? |
| 04:20.07 | ckknight | since the numbers change |
| 04:27.18 | norgs | ckk - it doesn't anymore |
| 04:27.27 | norgs | it uses zone-tokens now |
| 04:27.32 | ckknight | zone-tokens? |
| 04:27.37 | norgs | yah |
| 04:27.48 | ckknight | what would that imply? |
| 04:28.42 | norgs | well, it doesn't use the zone number anymore, it uses continent number plus a string-token |
| 04:28.55 | ckknight | string token like from GetMapInfo()? |
| 04:29.01 | ckknight | or what? |
| 04:29.06 | ckknight | I'm just wondering, is all |
| 04:29.06 | norgs | BURNING_STEPPES |
| 04:29.11 | norgs | REDRIDGE_MOUNTAINS |
| 04:29.13 | ckknight | the way I do it is by using the English name |
| 04:29.14 | norgs | etc |
| 04:29.52 | norgs | we capitalize it so that we know it's the token and not the english name |
| 04:29.58 | ckknight | so it's just ["Burning Steppes"] ["Redridge Mountains"], etc. |
| 04:30.06 | ckknight | that's okay |
| 04:30.12 | ckknight | I just found no reason to tokenize |
| 04:30.39 | ckknight | for current DBs, is there a way to tell if it's pre or post-2.0? |
| 04:31.22 | norgs | well, pre-2.0 gatherer won't work post-2.0 |
| 04:32.16 | norgs | so there's no way unconverted data will be getting into the game's variables |
| 04:32.32 | Industrial | I need some help with my actionbuttons. In this screenshot I have pulled off my first spell and an mousing above the topleft button. as you can seefrom the devtools tooltip it is NOT ActionButton1. however - and the rest of the bar illustrates that - my two multibars have the same button id's or whatever sticked onto them |
| 04:32.35 | ckknight | but you don't have a DB flag or anything to be able to guess at whether it is pre or post, then |
| 04:32.37 | Industrial | http://www.imagesocket.com/view/WoWScrnShot_121806_052913618.jpg |
| 04:32.50 | Industrial | http://pastey.net/3714 |
| 04:32.58 | Industrial | I dont Think im doing something wreird |
| 04:32.59 | norgs | ckk - we do, but when it loads the first time, it will be converted |
| 04:33.16 | ckknight | norgs, into the new version with tokens? |
| 04:33.22 | norgs | yes |
| 04:33.31 | ckknight | hrm, okay |
| 04:33.38 | Shadowed | Industrial: Obviously you're missing the conjure healthstone spell |
| 04:33.45 | Shadowed | what good are warlocks without giving everyone healthstones! |
| 04:34.08 | Industrial | now help me :D |
| 04:34.10 | Shadowed | oh and summon imp |
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| 04:34.14 | Industrial | DUDE |
| 04:34.40 | Industrial | read my text again what you see is only 1 bar stop complainign and help me show you m other bars |
| 04:34.46 | Industrial | ; |
| 04:34.46 | Industrial | ;x |
| 04:35.43 | Shadowed | i'm just giving you a hard time :p |
| 04:36.24 | Industrial | ckknight, norgs? |
| 04:36.26 | Industrial | :P |
| 04:36.35 | ckknight | hrm? |
| 04:36.42 | norgs | agh! pinged again! |
| 04:37.00 | Industrial | read up got a prob :D |
| 04:37.04 | ckknight | nah |
| 04:37.18 | ckknight | you only think you have a problem |
| 04:39.00 | Industrial | no but I do think you have a better chance of spotting an error in the code i pasted then i do right now why am i explaining this |
| 04:39.09 | Industrial | fuck |
| 04:39.10 | Industrial | . |
| 04:45.44 | Elessdy | okay, emule is taking just too much of my CPU trying to manage this 8000-long queue, an average of 5% |
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| 04:50.15 | [Liquidor] | Industrial: still getting error? |
| 04:50.28 | Industrial | yes |
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| 05:07.55 | norgs | Id: I got no clues... I don't even understand what you're talking about with ids and whatnot. haven't really played with any of that stuff |
| 05:09.43 | ZealotOnAStick | Shadowed - well, my Lock, who isn't the best geared in the guild, was #7 in damage tonight on Loatheb, a fight that locks are largely considered by many to be poor on. |
| 05:10.31 | ZealotOnAStick | anyway . . . |
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| 05:27.49 | [Liquidor] | ckknight: is RegisterDefaults required before saving to the db? |
| 05:28.14 | ckknight | it's not required at all |
| 05:28.28 | ckknight | but if you do it, do it ASAP |
| 05:28.37 | [Liquidor] | ye ofc :) |
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| 05:40.47 | kelvie | Is it possible to change the range of the V name plates? |
| 05:40.59 | kelvie | it only shows people that are within ~25 yards |
| 05:41.11 | kelvie | And seeing as I can heal from 41... |
| 05:41.13 | kelvie | er 40 |
| 05:49.34 | [Liquidor] | ckknight: I found an error in Glory which causes /Glory bg not to work proberly. Should I report it at a bugtracker somewhere or just want the 2 line numbers? |
| 05:49.55 | [Liquidor] | just a typo though |
| 05:50.31 | [Liquidor] | ping me when you read this since im ingame |
| 06:00.02 | Elessdy | well, this is a bit of an odd thing. in homeworld 2, i'm trying out the tutorial. if i pan the camera away such that my couple of ships are out of view, the camera starts moving like the game is very, very busy |
| 06:00.50 | [Liquidor] | isn't "very, very busy" the same as "lag" ? :) |
| 06:01.32 | Elessdy | i don't use such a generic term any more |
| 06:01.39 | [Liquidor] | :) |
| 06:01.47 | Elessdy | that is, i don't use it now that it has lost its specific meaning |
| 06:01.48 | [Liquidor] | I don't know the game im afraid |
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| 06:20.58 | Nom | *sigh* |
| 06:21.08 | Nom | I want to play a paladin, but not an alliance paladin |
| 06:21.13 | Nom | Because i'll never use it |
| 06:21.40 | Nom | I wish they'd hurry up and release TBC |
| 06:21.54 | Cairenn | soon, just a little over a month now |
| 06:23.13 | Nom | yeah, a whole month :( |
| 06:26.53 | AnduinLothar | <-- Pally |
| 06:27.01 | AnduinLothar | 1h dpsing in zg #2 slot |
| 06:28.20 | Nom | LOL |
| 06:28.27 | Nom | Pig tanks Hakkar |
| 06:28.31 | Nom | Not something you see every day |
| 06:28.35 | Nom | http://www.ejgonline.org/pig_tanks_hakkar.jpg |
| 06:35.22 | seebs | Meh. |
| 06:35.29 | seebs | I blame you guys for all the computer work I am about to have to do. |
| 06:36.03 | seebs | If you hadn't been all helpful and supportive, I wouldn't be taking my modding work seriously enough that I'd decide to try to get things running under Linux so I could have real dev tools. |
| 06:36.15 | Cairenn | lol |
| 06:36.27 | seebs | Every time my computer doesn't spontaneously kick me out of WoW so Corel can tell me about a new product that they'd like me to buy, I'm gonna blame you. |
| 06:36.48 | seebs | Well, off to make backups. |
| 06:37.12 | xgravix | oh noes, not linukcs!! |
| 06:38.39 | seebs | Well, given free choice, I'd use BSD, but there's no Cedega for it. |
| 06:38.44 | seebs | I will somehow withstand the indignity. |
| 06:39.03 | xgravix | the sacrifices we must make =( |
| 06:39.07 | seebs | Exactly. |
| 06:39.13 | seebs | I hope my users appreciate all I'm doing for them. |
| 06:39.37 | Cairenn | lol |
| 06:40.19 | seebs | Looks like I have to run x86-32, not -64, to use Cedega. Oh, woe. Oh, gnashing of teeth. |
| 06:40.42 | seebs | Or I could set up a pure 32-bit userland chroot environment. |
| 06:40.44 | seebs | ... Too much work. |
| 06:41.53 | seebs | I am actually now really hoping I'll suddenly not have enough time to work on this, because the reason I've had so much free time is one of my editors not getting back to me on any of my work. |
| 06:41.59 | seebs | If I keep not working, apparently I don't get paid. |
| 06:42.44 | Neuro | I hate that scam |
| 06:44.04 | seebs | Yeah. |
| 06:44.24 | AnduinLothar | WTT Addons for $ |
| 06:44.52 | seebs | Heh. |
| 06:45.03 | xgravix | screw $, ill code for food |
| 06:45.19 | AnduinLothar | that tto, i'm mightly hungry |
| 06:45.32 | AnduinLothar | as long as it's already prepared and rdy to eat and delivered |
| 06:45.42 | xgravix | preferably pizza |
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| 06:58.50 | s|loup | hi |
| 06:59.05 | Cairenn | hey s|loup, how goes? |
| 06:59.30 | s|loup | its dark outside but i hope the sun will coma back in a few hours ;) |
| 06:59.40 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 06:59.51 | Cairenn | yeah, kinda dark here right now too ;) |
| 07:00.27 | s|loup | i bet we get the sun ealier back than you *g* |
| 07:00.36 | Cairenn | no bet |
| 07:00.39 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 07:00.41 | s|loup | hehe |
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| 07:07.16 | Cairenn | hi Dhraga |
| 07:08.44 | Dhraga | Morning Carienn |
| 07:09.04 | Dhraga | *Sorry... Cairenn I mean ;) |
| 07:09.10 | Cairenn | no worries :) |
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| 07:13.51 | Dhraga | Anyone know a good announce addon (that lets you bind msg's to pre and post cast of spells/skills, and pref lets you select into what channels it's going to be announced) ? |
| 07:14.47 | Cairenn | Iriel's AfterCast |
| 07:15.13 | Cairenn | seebs' AnnoyRP |
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| 07:16.57 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info6447-AnnoyRP.html |
| 07:17.14 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info4167-AfterCast.html |
| 07:18.24 | Iriel | DevTools updated, for anyone who cares 8-) |
| 07:18.34 | Iriel | It no longer creates the event trace window by default |
| 07:19.13 | Dhraga | Cairenn, thanks a lot:) the AnnoyRP looks like it could be verry nice :) |
| 07:19.30 | seebs | ... |
| 07:19.42 | seebs | Thanks! |
| 07:20.14 | Iriel | Cairenn: Can you kill the BC Beta version of DevTools? |
| 07:20.23 | seebs | I'm about to overhaul the interface. I am personally committed to not losing user data, which means that eventually 90% of my code will be the support code to convert old versions of SavedVariables to current. |
| 07:22.50 | seebs | So far it's only about 15 lines. |
| 07:23.07 | Dhraga | And your aftercast Iriel is verry nice, I have used it before |
| 07:23.07 | seebs | I looked into Aftercast in the pre-2.x days, mostly to try to figure out how on earth to get spell-casting events in a usable form. :) |
| 07:23.18 | Cairenn | Iriel: gone |
| 07:23.40 | Fumler[N] | Anyone got link to TBC Beta patch? Re-installed my computer, and the blizzard one is not working. |
| 07:23.50 | seebs | ARP is trying to be somewhat more general, in terms of events handled, but somewhat more specific, in terms of what it does with them. |
| 07:24.00 | Iriel | Cairenn: Thanks 8-) |
| 07:24.50 | seebs | I have toyed with the idea of adding support for language and channel defaults to messages; for now, the channel selection is limited to adding "/party" or suchlike. |
| 07:25.01 | Dhraga | Iriel, may I ask if it is possible with bliz events to implement a resist check into the AfterCast ? |
| 07:25.01 | Cairenn | Iriel: you're welcome :) |
| 07:25.13 | Iriel | I will note AfterCast emits some annoying debug messages at the moment, and isnt' 100% in tune with 2.0, but it's getting there. |
| 07:26.17 | Iriel | Dhraga: I'm not sure, I've been trying to avoid having to intercept any non-spellcast events, and I think the 'resist' message arrrives elsewhere, but i'll look into it |
| 07:29.36 | seebs | ARP doesn't do that either, at the moment. |
| 07:29.54 | Iriel | And now.. I must sleep |
| 07:30.07 | seebs | I'm thinking of adding things like that, although they don't fit as well with my intent; after all, your character isn't deciding to have someone resist, so there's no RP reason to say anything... :) |
| 07:30.21 | seebs | G'night Iriel. |
| 07:30.25 | Dhraga | Iriel, thanks it would be a great function to have as a lock on raids, to let the lock channel know that a mob resisted my banish. |
| 07:30.45 | seebs | Thanks for all your tireless efforts. |
| 07:30.45 | Dhraga | Nn iriel. |
| 07:30.58 | Cairenn | night Iriel, sweet dreams |
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| 07:50.18 | a-stray-cat | does lua have continue? |
| 07:50.37 | a-stray-cat | nvm |
| 07:51.34 | seebs | Nope. |
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| 07:54.09 | Tierrie | no |
| 07:54.19 | Tierrie | hah i asked that a while ago :( |
| 07:54.19 | Tierrie | btw whats the difference between pairs and ipairs |
| 07:56.36 | norgs | ipairs only iterates over the consecutive integer portion of the table |
| 07:56.37 | Tierrie | thanks |
| 07:56.59 | norgs | basically ipairs tries to get table[1], then table[2] ... until it can't find any more |
| 07:57.14 | xgravix | pairs gives you every key/value |
| 07:58.02 | norgs | so for example a = { 1="A", 2="B",3="C",5="E" } |
| 07:58.15 | norgs | ipairs(a) would return 1,"A" then 2,"B" then 3,"C" |
| 08:17.15 | Tierrie | *nod* actually norgs, your first sentence explained everything :) |
| 08:17.16 | norgs | Tierrie: Sometimes it can be hard to get me to shutup :p |
| 08:17.16 | Tierrie | well sometimes people don't understand either so more description is needed |
| 08:17.16 | norgs | also, sometimes there's lurkers who need a little more explaination too |
| 08:17.17 | Cairenn | not infrequently the case, in this channel |
| 08:17.18 | norgs | i like to keep going until i feel i've adequately explained it so that anybody reading will "get it" |
| 08:17.37 | Tierrie | for some reason pairs() also seem to be unordered in my case |
| 08:17.40 | a-stray-cat | pairs goes in no particular order |
| 08:17.41 | Tierrie | ja |
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| 08:18.50 | Wobin | norgs: A+++ eXplainer. Would ask again |
| 08:18.51 | Tierrie | rotfl |
| 08:18.51 | norgs | hehe. thanks Wobin :) |
| 08:18.52 | Tierrie | who owns purl btw? |
| 08:18.52 | Cairenn | ~timriker |
| 08:19.08 | purl | timriker is probably my owner http://rikers.org/ mailto:Tim@Rikers.org mailto:TimR@Debian.org maintainer of BZFlag, member of a ton of open source projects http://www.advogato.com/person/timriker/ http://sourceforge.net/users/timriker/ the guy who GPL'd SCO's ABI files, giving every Linux user the right to use them ;-), or a very cool guy. |
| 08:19.08 | norgs | Tim Riker |
| 08:19.40 | Cairenn | purl seems to be asleep |
| 08:19.43 | norgs | ~blootbot |
| 08:19.52 | purl | [blootbot] an IRC bot written in perl descended from infobot. Hosted on SF. Patches welcome, submit on SF or mailto:Tim@Rikers.org, or http://blootbot.sourceforge.net/,. I am a blootbot |
| 08:19.57 | norgs | ~reboot purl |
| 08:20.09 | purl | ACTION pushes purl's reset button |
| 08:20.49 | norgs | <3 |
| 08:20.49 | Cairenn | silly purl |
| 08:21.28 | norgs | purl had to wake up, boil the kettle, make a coffee and read the paper before answering. |
| 08:22.03 | Wobin | she has priorities |
| 08:22.12 | Wobin | And I approve |
| 08:22.15 | norgs | thank goodness purl is a fast drinker and reader... but the kettle still boils at kettle boiling speed. |
| 08:29.34 | Cairenn | speaking of sleep - given that it's 3:30 in the morning here, suppose I should go do the same |
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| 08:29.57 | Cairenn | night guys |
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| 10:49.39 | Wobin | wuh? |
| 10:49.39 | Wobin | Which functions are used by engineering? Crafting Functions or Tradeskill functions? |
| 10:49.40 | Wobin | I'm not quite following what wowwiki means when it states: Crafting Functions |
| 10:49.40 | Wobin | These superseded the older crafting functions for all skills, except for enchanting and the hunters train-pet-window |
| 10:51.19 | Wobin | But the examples have references to the train-pet stuff |
| 10:51.27 | xgravix | haha, it's a wiki, you can't expect it to be internally consistent |
| 10:51.33 | Kaelten | anyone at/near a horde or neutral auctionhouse? |
| 10:52.52 | wereHamster | how does SpellBinder save my binding if it doesn't have SavedVariables? |
| 10:52.58 | wereHamster | ay.. bindings-cache.txt :( |
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| 10:53.57 | Elessdy | i have no idea why, but homeworld 2 is giving me extremely slow camera movement, although everything else seems to be proceeding at normal speed |
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| 10:57.05 | Elkano | Elessdy, did you patch? iirc there was a bug with nvidia cards |
| 10:57.05 | Elessdy | i'm using v1.1 |
| 10:57.05 | Elkano | hmm.... |
| 10:57.06 | Elessdy | i don't have a disc on me, though, so i'm stuck with a cracked .exe. before i give up, i need to try to bum a disc off somebody temporarily. |
| 10:57.11 | Elessdy | (i try not to buy games without playing them) |
| 11:02.21 | Elessdy | i've not tried to run an opengl app on this computer before... |
| 11:05.41 | Elessdy | my video drivers are a bit old, too. i need to try updating them at some point. this is all stuff that has to wait, so i'll skip homeworld 2 for now |
| 11:19.29 | wereHamster | is it possible to clear all frame attributes with a single function call? |
| 11:27.35 | Kirkburn | Hmm, CG has reset download counts? |
| 11:27.52 | zenzelezz | yup, your epeen is back to 0 |
| 11:27.57 | zenzelezz | (sorry, don't really know) |
| 11:28.07 | Kirkburn | Down to 14,319 actually ;) |
| 11:28.23 | zenzelezz | how can you call that reset? |
| 11:28.26 | Kirkburn | [Cu]Werik, you're the man to ask :P |
| 11:28.39 | Kirkburn | Well it was over 100,000 before =) |
| 11:28.48 | zenzelezz | that's just a rollback |
| 11:28.55 | zenzelezz | reset is back to 0 |
| 11:29.19 | [Cu]Werik | There is a chance that they were reseted when we migrated to v3, but I'm not sure |
| 11:29.25 | Kirkburn | Well, I think it was reset when the new site was launched, this 14,000 is what was since then, but they didn't start showing it until today-ish |
| 11:30.18 | Kirkburn | Not a bad thing tbh, all addons are on 'equal' footing for dl counts now :) |
| 11:30.55 | [Cu]Werik | If you ask me, this download counter is just a reason for e-peening:) |
| 11:31.20 | Kirkburn | [Cu]Werik, I see a bug - new files right at the bottom right has the wrong background for half the addons (IE7) |
| 11:31.27 | [Cu]Werik | Of course it is useful, you can see how many people is interested in your addon, but that could be shown only for you |
| 11:31.50 | NeT[LD] | it will come back |
| 11:31.55 | [Cu]Werik | screenshot pls:P |
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| 11:35.24 | Kirkburn|Vista | Screenshot: http://img362.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bugfm1.jpg |
| 11:35.27 | Kirkburn | Also, for the right column addon links, the '|' cursor comes up when hovering over the links, rather than the 'hand' cursor |
| 11:36.53 | Kirov | If I load on demand another addon, do I need to wait for ADDON_LOADED, or can I assume the addon has loaded after the LoadAddOn function has finished |
| 11:37.38 | |stefan| | is ~= the same as "not equal to" ? |
| 11:37.39 | Kirov | yes |
| 11:37.42 | |stefan| | thanks |
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| 12:14.52 | Kirkburn | Oh you gotta be kidding - there's going to be a Rambo IV? |
| 12:16.32 | Kirov | Rambo IV: Geriatric Blood |
| 12:17.31 | wereHamster | is it normal that my framerate drops down to 10% of the normal value if I create an action button that doesn't have aparent? |
| 12:21.37 | wereHamster | nvm, it I changed the button to be a simple SecureActionButton and I am back at the normal framerate.. |
| 12:23.54 | foxlit | SecureTemplates.lua: |
| 12:23.54 | foxlit | -- For example, you could set an action that was used for all clicks except ctrl-left-click: |
| 12:23.54 | foxlit | -- self:SetAttribute("*action*", value); |
| 12:23.54 | foxlit | -- self:SetAttribute("shift-action1", ATTRIBUTE_NOOP); |
| 12:24.12 | foxlit | I'm assuming they meant shift-left-click? |
| 12:24.44 | cladhaire | foxlit: yes |
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| 12:31.40 | Kirkburn | Cairenn|afk, I think this will please you :) http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=57478034&pageNo=1&sid=1#1 |
| 12:32.33 | krka | is it something that vibrates? |
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| 12:38.01 | Kirkburn | \o/ |
| 12:38.02 | KiphereCE | HI |
| 12:38.17 | KiphereCE | gotat go to work today |
| 12:38.19 | Kirkburn | Cool video of a cartoon being created (ooh it fits with my last link!): http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=57478034&pageNo=1&sid=1#1 |
| 12:38.20 | KiphereCE | last week before the holiday shut down |
| 12:38.36 | Kirkburn | So close to Xmas :) |
| 12:38.42 | KiphereCE | hopefully I can dodge most of the work and read guides on lua/xml :p |
| 12:38.48 | KiphereCE | anyone know a running web interface for irc? ;) |
| 12:39.49 | Kirkburn | Yes, I'll see if I can get the link |
| 12:40.19 | KiphereCE | gotta head out soon, gonna go find shoes, ;) brb |
| 12:40.31 | Kirkburn | http://ircatwork.com/ |
| 12:40.54 | Kirkburn | I use that when I'm at Uni sometimes |
| 12:42.12 | KiphereCE | it's a lil suspcious as a URL :p |
| 12:42.20 | KiphereCE | probably flag something if I try to run it at work lol |
| 12:42.45 | KiphereCE | I hate brushing the knots out of my goatee every morning >< |
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| 12:45.03 | Kiphere|Work | well at least i know it works at home :p |
| 12:45.08 | Kiphere|Work | headin to work then |
| 12:45.22 | KiphereCE | bai~ |
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| 13:06.33 | zenzelezz | odd... I can't remember ever seeing one of those just-for-fun pets drop before, now I've got two in two days... first the Black Tabby, then the Tiny Emerald Whelpling o_O |
| 13:07.34 | nevcairiel | hehe |
| 13:10.32 | zenzelezz | that reminds me... when I started playing WoW, someone convinced me the mini diablo dropped fram Ragnaros :-| |
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| 13:13.56 | Nom | *sigh* |
| 13:14.06 | Nom | anyone know any quicker way to get a golden pearl? |
| 13:14.11 | Nom | such a slow drop rate :( |
| 13:14.15 | zenzelezz | quicker than what? |
| 13:14.19 | Thunder_Child | AH |
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| 13:14.48 | Kalroth | Nom: Make a hot female nelf and go sucker someone into giving you it! |
| 13:14.48 | zenzelezz | I've had luck getting them from the turtles in Tanaris |
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| 13:17.47 | Nom | Yeah, just spent the last 3 hours farming nagas |
| 13:17.48 | Nom | got 1 |
| 13:19.01 | Kalroth | I farmed Nagas at BB and got 2 in less than an hour, lucky droprate of course, but still :) |
| 13:21.45 | seebs | They're pretty rare. |
| 13:22.05 | seebs | The last time I was trying to farm pearls, I got enough money to buy them selling grey drops from the nagas without seeing any pearls. |
| 13:22.08 | seebs | So I just bought them. |
| 13:23.41 | seebs | Well, it's only been about 8 hours since I actually put in the Linux CD, and I nearly have WoW 2.0.1 patched up and ready to go. Nearly. |
| 13:24.42 | seebs | Tragically, the extra keys on my G15 are not working right now, so it looks like I'm back to being one of those poor people who has to click on buttons with the mouse to cast spells for a bit. |
| 13:26.21 | Nom | lol |
| 13:27.20 | seebs | Well, I'll get it fixed. There's some wackiness to the third-party G15 driver this week. |
| 13:27.34 | seebs | I can live with that; I mean, if all else fails, I can probably get my hands dirty and fix it. |
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| 13:30.19 | seebs | Yeek. I may have to go to sleep before I can even get a real start on playing anything. Ah, well. |
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| 13:32.57 | KiphereWork | yar |
| 13:33.04 | KiphereWork | hooray for cgi-bin :P |
| 13:34.31 | KiphereWork | Where or where has little cogwheel gone, I want to as him macro questions and then attempt to pocket him and run away |
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| 13:34.57 | Bouvi | Morning. |
| 13:35.00 | KiphereWork | hi |
| 13:35.02 | zenzelezz | heya |
| 13:35.38 | Thunder_Child | it's 5:30 am for cog, he is prolly sleeping |
| 13:39.29 | Wobin | Finally |
| 13:39.29 | Wobin | ReverseEngineering updated =P |
| 13:39.30 | zenzelezz | what's that? |
| 13:39.30 | Wobin | A tradeskill addon that allows you to drill down schematics and back up again |
| 13:39.43 | Wobin | So you can click on, say, Heavy Blasting Powder, and it'll take you to the schematic for that |
| 13:39.56 | Wobin | Then once you've made it, you can click 'up' and go back to your original schematic |
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| 13:40.12 | Wobin | Makes engineering so much easier |
| 13:40.42 | Corrodias | arrr. cool! |
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| 13:48.47 | JoshBorke | http://joshborke.is-a-geek.com/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName=WoW-Pictures&id=stabbed |
| 13:50.43 | zenzelezz | ouch |
| 13:50.56 | JoshBorke | indeed! |
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| 13:56.09 | [Liquidor] | HI ! |
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| 14:16.56 | Wobin | http://community.livejournal.com/worldofwarcraft/4722411.html?style=mine#cutid1 |
| 14:17.01 | Wobin | anti afk methods =) |
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| 14:24.19 | foxlit | Awesome stuff! :) |
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| 14:30.13 | zenzelezz | Fobeed yells: And it's the $n coming through turn one! |
| 14:31.35 | foxlit | Yeah. |
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| 14:31.50 | foxlit | Eris Havenfire does that as well, seems the servers are spewing code out sometimes. |
| 14:32.20 | zenzelezz | either that, or they changed the formatting and neglected to update some messages |
| 14:32.23 | wereHamster|away | http://pastey.net/3726 what is wrong with this code? |
| 14:32.46 | wereHamster|away | the SetAttribute()-keybindings don't work |
| 14:33.18 | wereHamster|away | but it seems like WoW wouldn't apply them the first time, after I press '6' they start working |
| 14:37.08 | Bouvi | Was this channel down this weekend? Or was it just me and what is a good IRC client for Windows (that is FREE) |
| 14:37.08 | cladhaire | It wasn't down at all |
| 14:37.14 | cladhaire | I used to use XChat for a bit |
| 14:37.16 | zenzelezz | you can get a free version of X-Chat for Windows |
| 14:37.19 | cladhaire | btu good old gaim works well too |
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| 14:38.35 | Bouvi | Weird I tried to get on it a time or two. Oh wells I will get a better client. XChat will I get. (Yoda) |
| 14:39.17 | cladhaire | Bouvi: Are there any decent organized PVP squads on Stormrage horde these days? |
| 14:39.24 | cladhaire | I need to find a group to roll with |
| 14:40.17 | Bouvi | No idea on the PvP end. Most took off from Stormrage when transfers opened up. |
| 14:40.41 | cladhaire | yeah, but the horde side has been crazy active since the 2.0 patch.. *shruggles* I'll do a bit more hunting |
| 14:41.18 | Bouvi | I have been focued on getting my Mage up to 60 before BC comes out I have not PvPed at all. |
| 14:43.07 | cladhaire | I've got 4 levels more on my Hunter. Then I have to decide which of the level 60's I move forward with |
| 14:44.19 | JoshBorke | paladin! |
| 14:44.33 | cladhaire | well, I need to ROLL my paladin first |
| 14:44.39 | cladhaire | and my Shaman, and my Warlock |
| 14:44.39 | Bouvi | Well in the 2+ years I have played I never had an alt above 37 until this weekend when I hot 40 with my Mage I started recently. Focused on my rogue 100%. |
| 14:44.43 | Nom | WTB BE Pally :D |
| 14:45.17 | Nom | Sadly |
| 14:45.22 | Nom | I've got one of every class at level 20 or higher |
| 14:45.25 | foxlit | Do the outdoor honor objectives result in immediate honor? |
| 14:45.29 | Nom | Ecept for my Shaman |
| 14:45.30 | cladhaire | I'll be rolling a BE Warlock, a Dramanaei and probably a Human Paladin |
| 14:45.42 | cladhaire | so I can have one of each healing class, and raiding with them |
| 14:46.01 | JoshBorke | lol, you like healing that much? |
| 14:46.35 | cladhaire | I actually quite enjoy it |
| 14:46.52 | Nom | I don't have the patience to level any more for some reason |
| 14:47.01 | Nom | I remember I had to force myself to level my mage |
| 14:47.07 | JoshBorke | Nom: i know what you mean |
| 14:47.07 | cladhaire | Nom: I have it.. to level UP to 30.. then from 40 - 60 |
| 14:47.13 | cladhaire | but 30 -40.. i want to stab myself in the face |
| 14:47.20 | Nom | lol |
| 14:47.29 | Nom | probably coz the locations at that level suck |
| 14:47.41 | Nom | 30-40 requires a lot of travel |
| 14:47.44 | zenzelezz | and they send you back and forth between distant zones |
| 14:47.51 | zenzelezz | DAMN YOU! Stop typing faster than me |
| 14:48.08 | Nom | l2type :P |
| 14:48.10 | Nom | touch typing ftw |
| 14:48.26 | JoshBorke | worst part about lvl'ing is doing it solo |
| 14:48.30 | zenzelezz | I touch type, I'm just slow |
| 14:48.37 | zenzelezz | I keep changing my sentences mid-way |
| 14:48.47 | Nom | heh |
| 14:48.56 | Nom | brain works quicker than the fingers, try to think it out before you type :D |
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| 14:51.19 | foxlit | Is there an updated list of pvp reward prices somewhere? Travelling between the vendors is lunacy |
| 14:51.34 | Nom | heh i know what you mean |
| 14:51.39 | Nom | weapons are easy to remember tho |
| 14:51.47 | Bouvi | I learned to type on a manual typewriter where you had to grab a handle and pull for return. Yes I am that old. |
| 14:51.47 | Nom | 22500 per hand pretty much |
| 14:52.12 | Kirkburn | Uuuh, the CG front page has a rather odd news post |
| 14:52.27 | Kirkburn | [Cu]Werik, /poke in case you haven't seen it |
| 14:52.30 | Nom | i learnt in a weekend on my laptop |
| 14:52.37 | Nom | forced myself to go through those typing tutorials |
| 14:52.46 | End | foxlit: thottbot I knows has them, but unless you know what item you are looking for in particular, it doesn't help much |
| 14:52.53 | sysrage | kirk: rofl that's great |
| 14:53.04 | [Cu]Werik | I see it |
| 14:53.04 | nevcairiel | haha |
| 14:53.32 | zenzelezz | O_O |
| 14:53.35 | sysrage | that post totally deserves to be on the front page |
| 14:53.43 | nevcairiel | hehe |
| 14:53.49 | Kirkburn | Hey, it's important stuff =) |
| 14:54.53 | [Cu]Werik | I dont understand why dont he just reuploads it tho:P |
| 14:55.09 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 14:55.26 | Kirkburn | I'm surprised it works fine after 3 months - you'd think Blizz would have managed to break it by now ;) |
| 14:56.05 | [Cu]Werik | 3 months? Last update was 7 months ago |
| 14:56.51 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 14:57.37 | foxlit | Ah, http://www.wowwiki.com/Honor_System |
| 14:58.02 | Kirkburn | Why is it people always bring their credentials into that kind of diatribe. "I'm the Queen of Sheba, now give me my addon back!" |
| 14:58.39 | End | I'm the Lord of All the Universe |
| 14:58.41 | End | give me my goddamn addon |
| 14:58.48 | End | or I will smite you |
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| 15:42.35 | NeT[LD] | what post kickburn? |
| 15:42.54 | Fumler[N] | http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=3515.0 |
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| 15:44.42 | Scre3m | i don't get how macros like this work? /cast [target=mouseover] Cure Poison |
| 15:44.54 | Scre3m | what exactly does that do? |
| 15:45.24 | wereHamster | it casts Cure Poison on the unit that is undr your mouse |
| 15:45.27 | Fumler[N] | When you mouseover a target and press the macro, its cures that target |
| 15:45.44 | Scre3m | how can u be moused over a target and be pressing a button? |
| 15:45.55 | Fumler[N] | huh? |
| 15:45.55 | wereHamster | keybinding |
| 15:46.05 | Fumler[N] | lol Scre3m :D |
| 15:46.27 | Scre3m | how do you bind keys to macros? |
| 15:46.39 | Scre3m | prob a newn question, sorry *blush |
| 15:46.40 | Fumler[N] | Same as a spell, omg :< |
| 15:46.43 | Scre3m | newb* |
| 15:46.44 | wereHamster | drag the macro to an actionbar |
| 15:47.12 | Scre3m | i don't play with keybings, never have |
| 15:47.17 | Fumler[N] | ok |
| 15:47.22 | wereHamster | what class do you play? |
| 15:47.27 | Scre3m | priest |
| 15:47.37 | Scre3m | i use Clique |
| 15:47.43 | Fumler[N] | Hehe |
| 15:47.45 | wereHamster | huh.. I wouldn't want to be your mouse |
| 15:47.45 | cladhaire | zomg |
| 15:49.59 | Scre3m | maybe i'm missing something |
| 15:50.28 | Scre3m | are you saying the most player keybind all of their spells and macros? |
| 15:50.51 | Scre3m | are you saying that most players keybind all of their spells and macros? |
| 15:51.43 | Bouvi | Oh yeah I could not live without my keybindings |
| 15:51.54 | zenzelezz | I use keybindings all the time - especially 1-0, -, WASD |
| 15:51.55 | Kaso | you dont use any keybinds? |
| 15:52.09 | Scre3m | i use WASD, but none for casting |
| 15:52.52 | [Liquidor] | Wobin>http://community.livejournal.com/worldofwarcraft/4722411.html?style=mine#cutid1 -- they did that in the av i just joined, we ended up being 30 players shooting at eachother down into hordes in the valley of stormpike GY :> |
| 15:53.46 | Teomyr | for cross-healing or decursing, keybindings are pretty annoying imo, i prefer clique for that |
| 15:54.16 | Teomyr | though with my rogue, i couldn't live without them :> |
| 15:54.40 | Scre3m | i'll have to play around with keybings, hadn't occured to me before |
| 15:55.01 | Scre3m | so basically, make a cure macro, hover mouse over player, and type the keybinding? |
| 15:56.36 | [Liquidor] | zenzelezz: isn't 6+ extreme? |
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| 15:59.50 | [Liquidor] | Scre3m>are you saying that most players keybind all of their spells and macros? -- I'm a priest but I only keybind the important and most-used spells like healing spells and misc stuff. |
| 15:59.52 | zenzelezz | [Liquidor]: depends on the situtation |
| 16:00.09 | Kirkburn | or if you're a warlock =) |
| 16:00.10 | [Liquidor] | For buffs, damage spells, tradeskills, ..whatever... you can just place them somewhere else for mouse or hide them |
| 16:00.53 | zenzelezz | my main is a tank-spec warrior, I need the mouse to keep looking around in combat |
| 16:01.14 | [Liquidor] | Scre3m: if you want 1 button to do everything for you then reroll a paladin ! |
| 16:01.16 | zenzelezz | I try to group the abilities I use together as much as possible |
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| 16:01.31 | End | I've set it up so I can heal -and- move around fairly well with one hand |
| 16:01.34 | End | except |
| 16:01.37 | End | selecting people |
| 16:01.42 | End | that's what I need the other hand for |
| 16:01.55 | MOT- | Same. |
| 16:01.58 | Scre3m | yeah i do all that, just that a few people gave me the impression that my current setup is newbish |
| 16:02.01 | [Liquidor] | i can heal with 1 hand |
| 16:02.06 | [Liquidor] | using F1-5 |
| 16:02.15 | MOT- | I used 2-4 |
| 16:02.16 | Scre3m | i use macros, i use Clique, etc. but I don't use any keybindgs |
| 16:02.17 | End | I often need to heal people across party groups |
| 16:02.21 | [Liquidor] | Ican also pvp with 1 hand |
| 16:02.28 | [Liquidor] | Healing: 1-6 |
| 16:02.33 | [Liquidor] | DPS: Alt + 1-6 |
| 16:02.47 | End | it's worse now with mana tide -and- tree of life in the game now |
| 16:02.59 | End | very rairly are my heal targets in my party |
| 16:02.59 | [Liquidor] | Random stuff: Q-E-R-F-G-X-Z-C-SHIFT+SPACE |
| 16:03.03 | zenzelezz | I find Alt clumsy... so out of the way |
| 16:03.07 | MOT- | Liquid: [harm [help] macro ftw |
| 16:03.21 | MOT- | I mostly use 2-4 for healing and DPS :-) |
| 16:03.37 | [Liquidor] | MOT-: /castsequence Bubble, HS |
| 16:03.47 | MOT- | LOL |
| 16:04.23 | MOT- | '/cast [harm] Mind Blast; Greater Heal is my macro, bound to 2 |
| 16:04.25 | Scre3m | is their a good website that discussion how to use macros and keybindgs? |
| 16:04.42 | MOT- | Scre3m: It's all a matter of playstyle. |
| 16:04.49 | Scre3m | s/their/there/ |
| 16:04.53 | MOT- | Just hop onto the Blizz's UI forum. |
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| 16:05.29 | Scre3m | i'm mainly looking for a more efficient way to cure/decurse |
| 16:05.40 | MOT- | Yea, that's all a matter of playstyle. Every1's different. |
| 16:05.42 | Scre3m | i may need a paradigm shift |
| 16:05.45 | MOT- | LOL |
| 16:05.50 | [Liquidor] | simple: Raid Frames - Click - Button |
| 16:05.55 | [Liquidor] | Can't be faster |
| 16:06.01 | Scre3m | it's not simple at all |
| 16:06.11 | [Liquidor] | ? |
| 16:06.15 | MOT- | For example, some ppl are using the newer decursive. I'm going all natural. Lots in my guild are looking at SmartBuff. |
| 16:06.19 | Scre3m | i'm talking as a priest in a pve raid |
| 16:06.35 | [Liquidor] | Install CTRA - Check debuffs you can cure (Curse + Magic) and click the frames that turns red - hit your dispel button |
| 16:06.51 | [Liquidor] | Scre3m: I'm a priest |
| 16:06.54 | [Liquidor] | and done naxx |
| 16:07.03 | [Liquidor] | except last 3 though but still |
| 16:07.04 | Scre3m | well, you're a prodigy |
| 16:07.12 | [Liquidor] | anyway, CTRA + Click + Button |
| 16:07.17 | Scre3m | i bow to your skill |
| 16:07.20 | [Liquidor] | can't be easier than that im afraid |
| 16:07.32 | [Liquidor] | say what? |
| 16:07.56 | Scre3m | is a new version of decursive released? |
| 16:08.09 | [Liquidor] | Hahaha you thought I was bragging? I was trying to create symphaty(?) with you little man |
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| 16:08.34 | [Liquidor] | Scre3m: It dioesn't auto-cure. |
| 16:08.50 | Scre3m | [Liquidor], is obvioulsy not as easy as you think, else I wouldn't be asking for advice |
| 16:08.56 | MOT- | Scre3m: I'm priests in BWL and Naxx too. |
| 16:09.05 | MOT- | I have ` bound to dispel and 1 bound to decurse. |
| 16:09.12 | MOT- | Other than that, same as Liquid. |
| 16:09.23 | [Liquidor] | It shows you a list of people who needs a dispel or a cure and then you must select them in your raid (without decursive) and hit your button (does this pattern seem recognizable to you?) |
| 16:09.25 | Scre3m | what raid frames do you use, CTRA? |
| 16:09.27 | Xuerian | Clique + Grid :3 |
| 16:09.29 | MOT- | CTRA |
| 16:09.30 | Kirkburn | Interesting - WoW Chine appears to be on 1.12.3 atm - but the UI version is 6141 |
| 16:09.32 | MOT- | Gotta go - ttfn |
| 16:09.33 | [Liquidor] | CTRA |
| 16:09.44 | Kirkburn | *China |
| 16:10.26 | nevcairiel | wut? |
| 16:10.26 | [Liquidor] | Scre3m>[Liquidor], is obvioulsy not as easy as you think, else I wouldn't be asking for advice -- what the heck are you talking about? Easy? What, where? I haven't meantioned anything about a level of this. |
| 16:10.27 | Kirkburn | Oh and wdn.wowinterface.com has partially broken |
| 16:11.21 | [Liquidor] | Now stop being such a wuz and take it personal. If you want some help then get the help. Not trying to fool you here, aight? |
| 16:11.51 | Scre3m | your tone is offensive |
| 16:11.55 | Cairenn|afk | Kirkburn: how so? |
| 16:11.56 | Scre3m | you are talking down to me |
| 16:11.59 | [Liquidor] | You can't auto-cure any longer. The only way to cure people is the simple way: Notice - Select - Action |
| 16:12.00 | Kirkburn | It's weird, the difference between the EU/US sites and the China WoW site - pretty much the entire China site front page deals with download links for 1.12.3 |
| 16:12.11 | Kirkburn | Cairenn|afk, wdn? |
| 16:12.11 | Cairenn|afk | easy guys |
| 16:12.16 | Cairenn|afk | Kirkburn: yeah |
| 16:12.27 | Kirkburn | About halfway down the page it just seems to break down |
| 16:12.42 | [Liquidor] | Kirkburn: Link the Chinese site. Would love to see the site with their chars :> |
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| 16:12.44 | Cairenn|afk | seems fine here |
| 16:12.51 | Kirkburn | Cairenn|afk, ooh, did you see the link I posted eariler with Drysc's comment about the cartoon? :) |
| 16:12.57 | Cairenn|afk | nope |
| 16:13.10 | zenzelezz | Kirkburn: might just be your inferior browser not coping with it =D |
| 16:13.28 | Kirkburn | Hmm, that's odd. Works on Xp but not Vista |
| 16:13.39 | Cairenn|afk | Kirkburn: what link, what comic? |
| 16:14.04 | Kirkburn | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=57478034&pageNo=1&sid=1#1 |
| 16:14.19 | Cairenn|afk | cool! |
| 16:14.23 | Kirkburn | =) |
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| 16:16.25 | Kirkburn | [Liquidor], www.wowchina.com |
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| 16:17.03 | Kirkburn | You've also got www.worldofwarcraft.co.kr and www.wowtaiwan.com.tw to look at :) |
| 16:17.07 | Kirkburn | All very different sites |
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| 16:18.09 | Xuerian | o.0 |
| 16:18.20 | Kirkburn | Taiwan also appears to be on the fabled 1.12.3 |
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| 16:19.33 | Kirkburn | But Korea is on 2.0.1 |
| 16:20.35 | Kirkburn | They patch on the day after the US like the EU, too |
| 16:20.38 | foxlit | Wonder why |
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| 16:22.06 | Fumler[N] | <Cairenn|afk> Kirkburn: what link, what comic? |
| 16:22.06 | Fumler[N] | <Kirkburn> http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=57478034&pageNo=1&sid=1#1 |
| 16:22.08 | Fumler[N] | what? |
| 16:22.17 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 16:23.08 | Kirkburn | http://www.wowinterface.com/index.php?section=comic |
| 16:23.25 | [Liquidor] | I was writing this big function and then I got afk in AV and now I have to wait 15 mins :'( |
| 16:23.55 | Fumler[N] | hehe Kirkburn :D |
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| 16:30.49 | Cairenn|afk | ah well, time to go back to the computer shop and see if they can figure out what's wrong with kiddo's computer *this* time |
| 16:31.02 | Kirkburn | :/ Have fun! |
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| 16:32.25 | Xuerian | Aww. Broken computers want me to fix them >_> |
| 16:33.53 | cladhaire | i love you too |
| 16:34.01 | netcurse | me 2 |
| 16:35.48 | Kirkburn | I don't though. |
| 16:35.56 | Xuerian | o.0 |
| 16:37.31 | Kirkburn | Hey someone just asked me an excellent question - were all Forsaken human - or are some high elves? |
| 16:37.57 | Industrial | "I'm sorry, it appears your child's pee cee is clogged with hardcore gay porno. This is what is causing it to run slow." |
| 16:38.55 | Industrial | Kirkburn: id say the ones on live are human |
| 16:39.12 | Industrial | Kirkburn: but if you play blood elves around level 8 you need to kill blood elve undeadsies |
| 16:39.24 | Industrial | they have different models |
| 16:40.04 | Kirkburn | Yeah, I know the ones you mean |
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| 16:40.12 | Gnarfoz | hrm |
| 16:40.15 | Industrial | at the dock. |
| 16:40.19 | Gnarfoz | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:40.28 | Gnarfoz | isn't that supposed to work that way? |
| 16:40.39 | Gnarfoz | err |
| 16:40.40 | Gnarfoz | soulstone! |
| 16:41.02 | Industrial | hehe i am loving /castsequence |
| 16:41.04 | Gnarfoz | should not try to use a soulstone if the target is further then 'exists' range away (100y?) |
| 16:41.10 | Industrial | lazylock :D |
| 16:41.16 | Gnarfoz | or do people in my raid always 'exist'? |
| 16:41.35 | cladhaire | they always exist |
| 16:41.37 | cladhaire | they aren't visible. |
| 16:41.39 | cladhaire | that's what you're looking for |
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| 16:42.21 | Gnarfoz | is there [visible] o_O didn't see that in the macro list |
| 16:42.26 | cladhaire | nope |
| 16:42.29 | cladhaire | i.e. you can't do it =) |
| 16:42.35 | cladhaire | i dont believe |
| 16:42.45 | Gnarfoz | darn |
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| 16:43.30 | Gnarfoz | actually, I'm kind of break-fixing my 'cast soulstone on someone and then tell the raid OR group (not both; depending on situation) about it' macro :\ |
| 16:44.01 | Gnarfoz | works fine if the target is in my 'visible' range, but if not, I get a glowy hand cursor |
| 16:44.06 | Gnarfoz | which I don't want to have, ever. :D |
| 16:44.28 | zenzelezz | "WTF!? SS on hunter?" |
| 16:47.50 | Gnarfoz | I think I'll give up on it |
| 16:47.51 | Gnarfoz | :\ |
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| 16:49.44 | Gnarfoz | heh /use [help] blocks it from doing anything if i don't have a (friendly) target. prevents glowy cursor :> |
| 16:54.58 | Bouvi | *sniff* it is comments like personcube's that makes me want to cry http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info6446-BouvisAddonPack.html#cmnt22696 *sniff* |
| 16:56.03 | zenzelezz | in what way? |
| 16:56.11 | Bouvi | In a good way |
| 16:57.00 | Bouvi | Posts like that make me want to do more and work on creating not only UIs and Addon packs to making full blown addons (If I could ever get hello_world to work lol) |
| 16:57.51 | Bouvi | I plan on really sitting down and making an addon starting Saturday (I am off from work until the following Thursday) |
| 16:57.54 | zenzelezz | hm, that's a change... instead of a long "zomg we're so good" gold spam, I now got one that was simply "stupidurl.com $4.99/100G Go GO GO" |
| 16:58.20 | Bouvi | Where is that zenz? |
| 16:58.36 | zenzelezz | where I'm playing? |
| 16:58.44 | Bouvi | ahhh |
| 16:58.47 | Xuerian | zenzelezz: Yeah, I miss the peons. They were actually entertaining to read. |
| 16:59.06 | zenzelezz | I still see peons on general chat |
| 16:59.16 | zenzelezz | they even have a christmas-themed spam now |
| 16:59.21 | Xuerian | lol |
| 16:59.34 | Xuerian | They must make decent money if they can afford to buy accounts to spam with |
| 17:00.39 | Bouvi | Probably just getting an e-mail and using a free trial |
| 17:01.08 | SB1-Laptop | Cide: your raid leader might be awesome |
| 17:02.10 | Cide | how so? |
| 17:02.30 | Cide | well, he is! but why? |
| 17:02.32 | SB1-Laptop | Sec as I pull the link up here |
| 17:03.00 | SB1-Laptop | You're the CTRA coder from Doomhammer, of <Juggernaut>, right? |
| 17:03.14 | SB1-Laptop | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=57607996&sid=1 |
| 17:03.15 | SB1-Laptop | That. |
| 17:03.18 | SB1-Laptop | Right there. |
| 17:04.15 | Cide | he used to be my raid leader |
| 17:04.31 | Cide | and then we quit the guild |
| 17:04.36 | Cide | Ts is our raid leader |
| 17:04.40 | SB1-Laptop | Ah |
| 17:04.49 | SB1-Laptop | Seeing as I play alliance, news would be slow |
| 17:05.12 | Cide | but he was pretty funny at times |
| 17:05.46 | SB1-Laptop | "I don't care how you did it in your guild" "your guild sucked" "that's why you're in my guild" |
| 17:06.10 | SB1-Laptop | gmotd: "UBRS - We need people to learn to assist and not pull aggro, so we are reaiding the place where that is learned" |
| 17:06.11 | zenzelezz | what's "rocket surgery"? |
| 17:06.13 | SB1-Laptop | That's golden, right there |
| 17:07.01 | Cide | I remember when we were doing heigan and someone died in the clear like 5 attempts in a row |
| 17:07.04 | Cide | he wasn't very happy |
| 17:07.22 | SB1-Laptop | No, he wouldn't be |
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| 17:07.43 | Cide | haha, I remember a couple of those |
| 17:07.51 | SB1-Laptop | Why did he quit? I mean, that is golden |
| 17:08.52 | Cide | we quit, he didn't |
| 17:09.07 | SB1-Laptop | Oh, right, I read that wrong |
| 17:09.45 | AnduinLothar | sup peeps? |
| 17:09.51 | Cairenn | hey AnduinLothar |
| 17:09.56 | SB1-Laptop | bah, gotta afk |
| 17:09.56 | SB1-Laptop | bbl |
| 17:10.37 | AnduinLothar | hey cide, Is there an option to completely hide the MT header? |
| 17:10.53 | Cide | unchecking "show group names" should do it |
| 17:11.13 | AnduinLothar | hmm, ok |
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| 17:11.18 | Cairenn | rofl, reading that I feel like I'm back in my old raids |
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| 17:13.18 | Cairenn | that's why some people use airplanes |
| 17:13.22 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 17:13.26 | KipWork | AHOY |
| 17:13.58 | Cairenn | hi KipWork |
| 17:14.18 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 17:14.22 | nevcairiel | that thread is cool |
| 17:16.11 | Kirkburn | zenzelezz, I didn't pick that up first time :P |
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| 17:16.16 | Cairenn | lol |
| 17:16.35 | Cairenn | honest to god, I could change the names and it'd be like reading my old log files |
| 17:16.46 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 17:16.53 | Cairenn | good to know that it's the same no matter what high end guild you're in, rofl |
| 17:16.57 | zenzelezz | I probably could too |
| 17:17.03 | nevcairiel | its basicly the same in ours |
| 17:17.08 | nevcairiel | only that the flame is german :P |
| 17:18.01 | zenzelezz | for a while when we were working on Naxxramas and things weren't working well, our raid leader would threaten to go MC instead |
| 17:21.39 | Kirkburn | I never understand such stress over a game |
| 17:21.54 | Kirkburn | I've always had this odd idea of playing for fun |
| 17:22.07 | Kirkburn | As a side effect - I have never gone on a raid |
| 17:22.30 | nevcairiel | i have pretty much fun in raids |
| 17:22.35 | KipWork | If I don't get a raid in at least once a week i start to get bored. |
| 17:23.02 | KipWork | I play MMOs for the largescale group content, 5man stuff is cool but I need to have lots of people for it to be really fun for me. |
| 17:23.03 | nevcairiel | if you dont bother what your raid leader says and just chat with oother people about the shit he says, its funny :) |
| 17:23.16 | nevcairiel | i love hard 5man encounters |
| 17:23.26 | nevcairiel | its more challenging then a real raid |
| 17:23.35 | kergoth | i'm looking forward to trying the heroic stuff |
| 17:23.37 | nevcairiel | i cant wait to get to heroic dungeons |
| 17:23.41 | kergoth | :) |
| 17:23.59 | nevcairiel | they changed the keys back in beta that you need reverd again |
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| 17:24.03 | kergoth | on an unrelated note, yay coffee |
| 17:24.08 | nevcairiel | so i cant go there unless i farm more rep :( |
| 17:24.15 | KipWork | I like hard fiveman stuff too. |
| 17:24.18 | ckknight | hey all |
| 17:24.30 | KipWork | but theres just something appealing to me about running <anything> with 20+ people. |
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| 17:24.57 | nevcairiel | i dont like it, some people are always slacking and you cant figure out who. in 5 man you notice directly :D |
| 17:25.21 | KipWork | I'm good at finding who ;) |
| 17:25.37 | Cairenn | hi ckknight |
| 17:25.41 | KipWork | I'm usually the raid nazi who finds the priest who's smiting his mana away or rogue who's autoing and not pulling his weight. |
| 17:26.16 | KipWork | Which should make my next WoW endeavor interesting since me and some friends are finally getting back together to run our own guild again. |
| 17:29.04 | Gnarfoz | I was in such a guild two times now |
| 17:29.09 | Gnarfoz | It ain't pretty :\ |
| 17:32.44 | KipWork | part of what most 'raid guilds' in WoW screw up (note, most, not all) is they form to raid. |
| 17:33.00 | KipWork | which means they formed under teh idea of basically individual accomplishment and loot. |
| 17:33.19 | KipWork | the really succesful guilds raid to raid because they have the people and enjoy doing things and accomplishing goals together. |
| 17:34.21 | KipWork | they get a little businesslike 'on' raids because it takes a slightly more disciplined mentality to stay on the bleeding edge of anything. You have to learn the content and beat it, not go to the World ofraids forums and read about how to win |
| 17:35.54 | KipWork | as long as you put the team before the raid you'll be fine imo. When the guild starts to matter less than the guilds progress you set yourself on a downward slide into failure. |
| 17:37.26 | KipWork | I've almost always started guilds with a couple of my consistent gaming buddies in games. |
| 17:37.30 | zenzelezz | it took me ages to find a raid guild as a warrior... so I'm somewhat worried if my guild should fall apart. From what I hear several raid guilds on my server are verging on imploding |
| 17:37.39 | KipWork | WoW is the first time I havn't in years really. |
| 17:37.50 | KipWork | so when TBC launches we're gonna do it right. |
| 17:37.55 | KipWork | well, our definition of right anyway |
| 17:37.58 | nevcairiel | if you are a good warrior it shouldnt be hard to find a new raid guild imho |
| 17:38.38 | kergoth | i wont want a raid guild anymore, i'll want a good group of people to level with in outland, none of which drive me bonkers the way some folks in the bigger guild do :) |
| 17:38.49 | nevcairiel | haha |
| 17:38.54 | nevcairiel | i totally agree |
| 17:39.01 | nevcairiel | altho i will want to see the new raid content |
| 17:39.04 | zenzelezz | I tend to level alone, whether I'm in a guild or not |
| 17:39.11 | KipWork | which is a problem with a lot of the raid guilds. |
| 17:39.20 | KipWork | they're organizations put together for the sole purpose of raiding. |
| 17:39.50 | nevcairiel | i will prolly be leveling with two from my current guild |
| 17:40.14 | nevcairiel | the only two people i really do stuff with outside of raids :P |
| 17:40.20 | KipWork | I'm gonna build a guild that will raid, not a raidguild. YOu cant sacrifice identity for content. :P We're starting over though on a brand new server when they launch with the xp so 'raid content' isnt something we have to worry about for a while :P |
| 17:40.25 | AnduinLothar | zomg curse is alive |
| 17:40.30 | AnduinLothar | someone DNS spam it |
| 17:41.01 | zenzelezz | KipWork: in that sentence, does xp = expansion? |
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| 17:41.23 | kergoth | xp is an acronym thats way too overloaded |
| 17:41.47 | Corrodias | i believe it does |
| 17:43.13 | KipWork | zenz, yeah sorry |
| 17:43.48 | KipWork | afk to nab a sammich or something. |
| 17:51.38 | KipWork | I love when we get free stuff because a plane didnt crash. |
| 17:52.01 | zenzelezz | O_o |
| 17:52.11 | Cairenn | o.O |
| 17:52.15 | KipWork | I'm a network encryption design architect :p |
| 17:52.19 | KipWork | for Lockheed Martin |
| 17:52.25 | Cairenn | ah |
| 17:52.26 | KipWork | the JSF flew for the first time friday. |
| 17:52.52 | zenzelezz | :-o |
| 17:53.02 | zenzelezz | liek leak softwears plx |
| 17:53.18 | Cairenn | it truly is amazing the people you meet through things like this |
| 17:53.26 | KipWork | my stuff isnt software driven :p |
| 17:53.32 | KipWork | or I'd be better at writing mods ;) |
| 17:53.32 | Cairenn | how diverse the jobs, etc |
| 17:53.38 | kergoth | KipWork: dont suppose you have any suggestions on crypto books, introductory material? |
| 17:54.12 | KipWork | well, if you wanna know how encryption works or history yes. |
| 17:54.23 | KipWork | if you're talking about software encryption, that's not really my field. |
| 17:54.37 | kergoth | i'm looking for basic concepts currently |
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| 17:54.49 | zenzelezz | another interesting day in guild chat... "well you Greeks should be proud, you invented gays" |
| 17:54.56 | KipWork | I deal almost exclusively in goverment class A hardware encryption devices and networks that use me. |
| 17:54.59 | kergoth | i work for a subcontractor on the us army land warrior program |
| 17:55.04 | foxlit | http://www.amazon.com/Applied-Cryptography-Protocols-Algorithms-Source/dp/0471117099 |
| 17:55.07 | kergoth | http://www.certicom.com/index.php?action=company,press_archive&view=635 |
| 17:55.18 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:56.27 | KipWork | I actualy use a lot of C4 systems stuff. |
| 17:56.47 | zenzelezz | I don't suppose that has anything to do with the explosive? |
| 17:56.51 | KipWork | they build the KG-175A, B, Mini, Micro, etc and the KG75 |
| 17:56.59 | KipWork | no, General Dynamics C4 Systems. |
| 17:57.01 | KipWork | its a branch. |
| 17:57.11 | zenzelezz | what fun is it if it doesn't blow up :-( |
| 17:57.24 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:57.37 | KipWork | actualy, its a merged branch, used to be C4 Systems and Decision Systems who bought out Motorola's NES division and the Sectera line of products right before they got accredited. |
| 17:57.43 | KipWork | since then the Sectera line has been bastardized :p |
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| 18:00.21 | KipWork | oh no. |
| 18:00.31 | KipWork | one of the guys in my office just walked in with sunflower seeds =\ |
| 18:00.37 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 18:00.39 | Cairenn | nice work by Rte |
| 18:00.49 | Cairenn | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=57439069&pageNo=1&sid=1#2 |
| 18:01.00 | KipWork | This guy makes noise that would make a pig throw up while he's eating |
| 18:02.07 | wereHamster | I have a state header and an action button with two states, "statemap"->"0-1", "bindings-S0"->"F", "bindings-S1"->"SHIFT-F" - why will pressing SHIFT-F when the header is in state 0 cause a transition to state 1? |
| 18:02.48 | KipWork | WoW Wiimote! |
| 18:02.57 | Cairenn | heh |
| 18:03.08 | KipWork | I'm dieing for dual touch support in games. |
| 18:03.21 | KipWork | I want to justify buying a wacom with dualtouch software |
| 18:03.44 | KipWork | (basically having 2 mice on teh screen but certain interactions between them have 'other' effects) |
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| 18:04.28 | KipWork | I know a ghetto work around for it that uses some external software that would most likely piss off blizzard. |
| 18:05.50 | KipWork | blah, if my WoW recognised hand gestures I'd end up getting killed a lot more in BGs cause my character would just be spamming /rude |
| 18:07.05 | Cairenn | heh |
| 18:07.31 | wereHamster | why do I have the impression that noody has even the slightest idea how the secure stuff works :( |
| 18:08.17 | KipWork | I've read the documentation like 5 times. |
| 18:08.29 | KipWork | but I havnt put anything into practice yet so I don't comment on peoples questions normally. |
| 18:08.40 | KipWork | have you read teh sticky from Mairelon? it had a lot of decent info/examples in it |
| 18:09.28 | KipWork | lol, best line on the forums so far. "If we can not combine skills into one button, why do we have macros? " |
| 18:09.48 | KipWork | my response would be "If you could combine everything into one button, why have a keyboard?" dude needs to be playin PacMan |
| 18:10.40 | Kirov | KipWork - this the guy complaining about how he can't play his warrior? |
| 18:10.42 | Cairenn | I still boggle over those that say Blizz hates all addons |
| 18:10.44 | foxlit | Hm. |
| 18:11.05 | foxlit | 2.0 broke my "zomg, out of reagents to cast xx" check, any easy way to replace that? |
| 18:11.24 | Kirov | Cairenn - that's easy to explain, lets just add a single word to the common "Blizzard hates all addons" phrase. "my" |
| 18:11.35 | Cairenn | heh |
| 18:11.36 | foxlit | [The original design checked SpellIsTargeting() after CastSpellByName("Spell requiring reagent")] |
| 18:11.49 | KipWork | Kirov: yup lol |
| 18:12.29 | KipWork | blizzard really didnt take away 'that' much |
| 18:12.47 | KipWork | and unless I'm just ignorant, they seem to have added a lot of functionality or easier ways to get to the same goal. |
| 18:13.02 | [Cu]Werik | They didnt take away enough. |
| 18:13.31 | KipWork | Why does [Cu]Werik hate all addons =\ |
| 18:13.52 | foxlit | bandwidth, duh! |
| 18:13.58 | KipWork | lol |
| 18:14.44 | wereHamster | KipWork, yeah, I read the sticky, but it doesn't explain everything :( |
| 18:15.08 | KipWork | theres also a ton of info IN the templates |
| 18:15.18 | wereHamster | I've read these too.. |
| 18:15.25 | KipWork | oh |
| 18:15.30 | kergoth | the docs on the secure frame stuff suck ass |
| 18:16.03 | foxlit | <wereHamster> why do I have the impression that noody has even the slightest idea how the secure stuff works :( |
| 18:16.17 | foxlit | Because very few people have to implement secure frames in any significant amount of detail |
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| 18:16.22 | KipWork | I'm gonna start fiddling with the secure pie stuff tonight most likely. |
| 18:16.59 | KipWork | mainly because the concept of secure pie is too damn cool to pass up on. |
| 18:17.15 | sysrage | pumpkin? |
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| 18:17.34 | KipWork | I'm probably gonna tart with something a little more simple. |
| 18:17.45 | KipWork | like secure apple without the braided crust. |
| 18:17.59 | KipWork | pumpkin generally has dependencies like whipped cream that I'm not ready to work with yet. |
| 18:18.17 | Cairenn | lol |
| 18:18.21 | foxlit | Wonder if there's even a point in listing all of the PROTECTED (always) functions on wowwiki.com/API |
| 18:18.53 | Kirov | They're nice to have for reference for what they do |
| 18:19.03 | KipWork | can't you still use a protected function if you're working inside of a secure template? |
| 18:19.12 | Kirov | since we can still hook them to get information from them. |
| 18:19.15 | foxlit | you can't work inside a secure template |
| 18:19.26 | foxlit | But hooks, good point |
| 18:19.28 | KipWork | I phrased that wrong. |
| 18:19.37 | KipWork | should have said 'with' |
| 18:20.29 | Cairenn | heh |
| 18:20.43 | KipWork | its the week before the plant shut down so I'm low on work ;) |
| 18:20.53 | foxlit | Could probably move them to http://www.wowwiki.com/Category:World_of_Warcraft_API/Protected_Functions, it's a bit of a specialist listing now |
| 18:21.11 | KipWork | I'm actualy bringin some graphic files ni tomorrow to start creating the round spell icon replacement files |
| 18:22.06 | KipWork | I had a friend ask me last night if i could recreate the EQ1 version 1.0 UI for WoW. =\ |
| 18:22.09 | KipWork | we're not friends anymore. |
| 18:22.48 | KipWork | any of you remember that UI? |
| 18:22.55 | Cairenn | oh yeah |
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| 18:23.03 | KipWork | it was horrible, you had a little 'portal' you looked at the game through |
| 18:23.41 | Cairenn | http://www.eqinterface.com/downloads/preview.php?id=2281&tnow=1166466203 |
| 18:23.47 | Cairenn | more or less accurate |
| 18:23.50 | KipWork | oh duh, look who I'm asking. |
| 18:24.00 | JoshBorke | Hi Cairenn :-) |
| 18:24.05 | Cairenn | hey JoshBorke |
| 18:24.21 | Kirov | BorkeBorke |
| 18:24.26 | KipWork | yeah thats really close Cairenn |
| 18:24.33 | KipWork | cept no fullscreen spell book ;) |
| 18:24.35 | JoshBorke | hola kirov :-) |
| 18:24.38 | JoshBorke | ~borked |
| 18:24.51 | purl | well, borked is "has been touched by josh_borke" |
| 18:24.51 | Cairenn | http://www.eqinterface.com/downloads/preview.php?id=7425 |
| 18:24.51 | JoshBorke | ~borke |
| 18:24.57 | KipWork | there she blows |
| 18:25.38 | KipWork | lol, hated that interface, as soon as they let us do modifications I made all my semi transparent buttons, special layout, etc. |
| 18:26.14 | Cairenn | :) |
| 18:26.17 | KipWork | I see a back of the sewn evil eye up in there. |
| 18:26.53 | foxlit | [answer to my previous question: IsUsableSpell() also for reagent shortage] |
| 18:26.53 | Kirov | JoshBorke - you ever going to work on HealWatch again, especially now that it's easy mode |
| 18:27.29 | KipWork | hrm |
| 18:27.44 | KipWork | can you make a non checkbutton act like a checkbutton without manually putting all the functions in? |
| 18:28.02 | KipWork | like graphically make it look like a normal button but attach the actionbuttontemplate/secureactionbuttontemplate? |
| 18:28.31 | JoshBorke | Kirov: yea, it's sorta working. you get the first cast bar for each spell and then it wigs out... |
| 18:29.09 | KipWork | I actualy had a UI in my dream last night. |
| 18:29.20 | KipWork | I didnt dream about UIs mind you, but my dream had a user interface. |
| 18:29.42 | KipWork | it needed flexbar too =\ |
| 18:30.00 | wereHamster | yay.. works now |
| 18:30.15 | KipWork | what was the prob? |
| 18:30.50 | wereHamster | I was calling SetAttribute("state", 0) on one of the action buttons instead of the header |
| 18:31.12 | KipWork | nifty |
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| 18:31.15 | KipWork | glad you got it working. |
| 18:31.15 | wereHamster | but it's still unclear to me which attributes apply to the header and which to the actionbuttons |
| 18:31.29 | KipWork | my first shot on pie buttons is gonna be a simple 'click the middle button and make a radial menu' |
| 18:32.02 | wereHamster | .. but the bug where pressing SHIFT-F will change the state even if the binding is only F is still there :( |
| 18:32.15 | KipWork | well, don't all the aciton buttons that are children of a header inherit its attributes? |
| 18:32.28 | KipWork | are you using Sloukens shiftclick fix? |
| 18:32.32 | wereHamster | no |
| 18:32.38 | KipWork | There was something buggy about shift as a modifier. |
| 18:32.57 | KipWork | it's supposed to be fixed at TBC release but you have to do something to make it work normal right now |
| 18:33.20 | KipWork | I think I read abotu it in the mairelon sticky, don't remember. |
| 18:33.22 | wereHamster | hm.. is it only a shift fix or shift/ctrl/alt? |
| 18:33.36 | JoshBorke | Kirov: i'm only updating Healwatch while i work on RaidCast which is the replacement for Healwatch |
| 18:33.51 | KipWork | I remember it being shift only but don't quote me on that. I havn't done a lot of reading on that stuff yet sinc eits still a touch over my head. |
| 18:34.06 | wereHamster | will try my addon on TBC... |
| 18:35.24 | KipWork | I'm nto sure if its been fixed ont he current beta build or not, I'm lookin fro the info I read now |
| 18:36.08 | KipWork | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=51038902&sid=1 |
| 18:36.16 | KipWork | check the third post in that thread |
| 18:36.23 | KipWork | looks like its shift specific. |
| 18:37.02 | KipWork | apparently it takes the addon thingy and a lil string of code to use, again, don't quote me i'm a newb |
| 18:37.05 | KipWork | for now... ;P |
| 18:40.15 | wereHamster | not fixed in TBC |
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| 18:40.56 | KipWork | yeah, the way I've seen it worded is it'll be there 'for release' |
| 18:41.02 | KipWork | so its not in the existing beta build |
| 18:42.43 | KipWork | anyone know if the pie buttons will support 'orbits' in the layouts? I know they'll support slices so you can have a virtual pie cut up into say 8 slices which will display 8 buttons, but can you stack buttons in rings inside so each slice would be three buttons or so? |
| 18:43.21 | KipWork | I don't have my files here to read on it and I'm drawing some design concepts :P |
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| 18:44.30 | zenzelezz | see, this is the problem with real coders, they make us lazy people feel all... lazy and stuff... for not planning |
| 18:44.33 | zenzelezz | ;) |
| 18:44.46 | KipWork | I'm not a real coder :P |
| 18:45.04 | zenzelezz | I'm eating, no time to find the right words |
| 18:45.06 | KipWork | I'm just doing this the same way I do my network designs. |
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| 18:46.23 | KipWork | gather requirements, expected results, ensure goal is possible, reallign customer requirements with reality (that's an actual step), brainstorm design, create rough documentation, re-evaluate design for effenciency and applicable scalability |
| 18:46.32 | KipWork | then create final plan documentation and build ;) |
| 18:46.47 | zenzelezz | see, I start right after all that |
| 18:46.48 | Bouvi | Sounds like the graphic design world to me lol |
| 18:46.49 | Kirov | KipWork - no, pie buttons do not support orbits, afaik |
| 18:46.50 | zenzelezz | much faster |
| 18:47.23 | KipWork | Bouvi, its a pretty general project development plan. |
| 18:47.33 | KipWork | Most network engineers work on one or two really big networks. |
| 18:47.46 | KipWork | I build hundreds of small networks for anywhere from 20 to 500 users a peice. |
| 18:47.48 | Kirov | KipWork - http://wdn.wowinterface.com/code/2016180/FrameXML/SecureTemplates.lua |
| 18:48.11 | Cairenn | sheesh, *another* place? http://www.wowmatrix.com/ |
| 18:48.16 | KipWork | oh hey, I didnt know I could view that stuff at that page. |
| 18:48.43 | KipWork | wonder how many authors they contacted about hosting those files :p |
| 18:48.52 | zenzelezz | that site's layout makes kittens cry |
| 18:49.01 | Kirov | KipWork - aproximately zero |
| 18:49.18 | KipWork | I never, ever, download anything from a site that I don't trust or has been recommended to me BY a site I trust. |
| 18:49.34 | KipWork | WoWI and now wowace are the onyl sites I'll touch things from. |
| 18:49.59 | wereHamster | CG is nice, too |
| 18:50.02 | KipWork | btw, the display font on that wdn link you sent me makes my head hurt. |
| 18:50.12 | Cairenn | cg & ui.wow.net are both fine too |
| 18:50.16 | KipWork | No offense to curse but I don't go there unless its a last resort. |
| 18:50.23 | KipWork | the page loads are just horrible for me. |
| 18:50.29 | KipWork | patch time or not |
| 18:51.03 | Kirov | curse is in a serious transitional period |
| 18:51.07 | KipWork | but i respect the site and recommend it. |
| 18:51.19 | KipWork | it's just a personal preference of mine to lower it on the list of 'places to look' |
| 18:53.09 | wereHamster | btw, there are attributes that can be set only on actionbuttons.. such as 'statebutton', if I set this attribute on the header, the child won't inherit it |
| 18:56.17 | KipWork | yeah, I dunno if the secure state stuff should be my next foray into this or not. |
| 18:56.34 | KipWork | I really wanna tackle unit bars in general but they confuse the hell out of me reading them. |
| 18:56.41 | KipWork | I generally understand buttons and how they work |
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| 18:56.54 | KipWork | ex. don't hit th ebig red ones. |
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| 18:56.58 | zenzelezz | unit bars? |
| 18:57.13 | KipWork | um. |
| 18:57.21 | KipWork | meant unit frames. |
| 18:57.24 | zenzelezz | ah |
| 18:57.27 | KipWork | like group window, playerframe, etc. |
| 18:57.35 | KipWork | OMG ZENZ WHY U PICK ON ME ! |
| 18:57.41 | KipWork | ~emulate zenzelezz |
| 18:57.50 | purl | OMG STOP TALKIN TO TEH BOT! |
| 18:57.54 | zenzelezz | I'm Norwegian, I need to know if it's me or you that's doing something wrong |
| 18:57.58 | zenzelezz | thus I ask |
| 18:58.05 | KipWork | oh, well. I'm southern. |
| 18:58.09 | KipWork | so my english doesn't count. |
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| 18:58.38 | kergoth | ~remulate |
| 18:58.39 | purl | THE DIB! HE'S MISSING! THEY'VE TAKEN HIM AND DRAINED HIM OF HIS _sweet sweet blood candies_ |
| 18:58.42 | oufzor2K6 | Hello :) |
| 18:58.58 | zenzelezz | if I seem to pick on you, think nothing of it ;) I just like being sure I know what's going on before I start offering advice/insight |
| 18:59.13 | zenzelezz | so as not to realize I've been speaking about the completely wrong thing and look like an ass =D |
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| 18:59.20 | oufzor2K6 | I search an UI programmer ;) , somebody ? |
| 18:59.59 | KipWork | purl, point at ckk |
| 19:00.01 | purl | ACTION points at at ckk with snickers and giggles |
| 19:00.02 | oufzor2K6 | thx :) |
| 19:00.26 | oufzor2K6 | First time i use IRC |
| 19:00.33 | oufzor2K6 | ^_^ |
| 19:01.49 | Kirov | oufzor2K6 - do you have a specific question? |
| 19:01.50 | Cairenn | oufzor2K6: this channel is almost completely UI programmers, what do you need? |
| 19:02.08 | Kirov | Cairenn excluded, but we tolerate her |
| 19:02.09 | KipWork | Sorry, we were just playing with you. Don't listen to anything I say. |
| 19:02.11 | zenzelezz | and do ask in the channel, not in private messages |
| 19:02.21 | KipWork | unless its cogwheel. |
| 19:02.23 | KipWork | he loves the attention |
| 19:02.24 | ckknight | hey all |
| 19:02.29 | Cairenn | hi ckknight |
| 19:02.35 | ckknight | oufzor2K6, you need help? |
| 19:02.43 | Kaelten | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/08/15/austrian_signs/ |
| 19:02.46 | oufzor2K6 | yes |
| 19:02.57 | oufzor2K6 | i have an addon ( or two ) project |
| 19:03.25 | oufzor2K6 | 1 for mutilate ( rogue attack ) |
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| 19:03.38 | oufzor2K6 | and one for an UNIT frame |
| 19:04.18 | oufzor2K6 | (srry for my english i'm french ^^) |
| 19:04.37 | kergoth | what about mutilate? |
| 19:04.39 | Cairenn | no apology necessary |
| 19:05.00 | oufzor2K6 | mutilate is an rogue attack which attack instantly with the two weapons |
| 19:05.06 | kergoth | yes, what about it? |
| 19:05.09 | Kirov | oufzor2K6 - your english is better than the majority of non-regulars to this channel, regardless of their nationality. |
| 19:05.15 | krka | i've seen much worse english from people who speak it natively |
| 19:05.20 | Cairenn | indeed |
| 19:05.27 | oufzor2K6 | you see 2 numbers ( done by each weapon ) |
| 19:05.37 | oufzor2K6 | i want that two numbers in one |
| 19:05.37 | krka | not including my own, since i dont speak it natively :P |
| 19:06.01 | JoshBorke | krka speaks awful english |
| 19:06.02 | Bouvi | So you want it to add the damage done by both weapons and give you one display? |
| 19:06.09 | oufzor2K6 | yes |
| 19:06.10 | oufzor2K6 | it's that |
| 19:06.26 | KipWork | sorta like the old windfury mod |
| 19:06.28 | kergoth | http://wow.curse-gaming.com/en/files/details/5327/mutilatecrit/ |
| 19:06.36 | oufzor2K6 | oh |
| 19:06.39 | kergoth | theres what you're looking for, most likely |
| 19:06.44 | kergoth | there's also another one on curse to do it |
| 19:06.47 | oufzor2K6 | oh thanks :) |
| 19:06.48 | kergoth | http://wow.curse-gaming.com/en/files/details/5370/mutilate-calculator/ |
| 19:06.50 | oufzor2K6 | nice |
| 19:06.55 | krka | JoshBorke: you've not actually heard me though. my pronounciation and flow is much much worse compared to my writing |
| 19:07.13 | kergoth | if you use mikscrollingbattletext rather than sct, it does consolodation of multiple events like that automatically |
| 19:07.46 | sysrage | anybody know if there's any plans to make it so you can tell which person an ice bet belongs to for the damage meters? (currently if there's 2 mages with ice pets they both get the data from both pets due to the pets having same name) |
| 19:07.56 | oufzor2K6 | thanks so much :) exactly what i was looking for |
| 19:08.04 | oufzor2K6 | and for the another thing |
| 19:08.07 | oufzor2K6 | i see that UI |
| 19:08.14 | oufzor2K6 | http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/812/screenuielenwev22rl9.jpg |
| 19:08.27 | oufzor2K6 | it rock |
| 19:08.33 | oufzor2K6 | but it has been made |
| 19:08.45 | oufzor2K6 | with Discord Unit frame |
| 19:08.45 | Kirov | sysrage - only the pet's owner can get accurate information on the damage his / her pet is doing via UNIT_COMBAT events |
| 19:08.56 | Cairenn | looks like a custom Discord |
| 19:09.04 | Cairenn | sorry, missed your last line |
| 19:09.10 | zenzelezz | that one's actually pretty... pretty |
| 19:09.18 | AnduinLothar | wiki down? |
| 19:09.30 | KipWork | thats a lot like what I wanna try with my custom dash |
| 19:09.35 | zenzelezz | loads for me AL |
| 19:09.41 | sysrage | kirov: so it is possible? hopefully the sw stats mod developer takes that into consideration and somehow uses it |
| 19:09.43 | oufzor2K6 | yes but do you think it's possible to make a new one with the same design ? |
| 19:09.45 | AnduinLothar | that dash IS cool |
| 19:09.48 | Bouvi | II have a pretty good rogue UI that I made until DUB comes out. http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info6384-BouvisWidescreenRogueUIWoW2.0.html |
| 19:09.49 | Kirov | kergoth - erm, sct doesn't consolidate at all |
| 19:09.51 | oufzor2K6 | i've got the original files |
| 19:09.52 | KipWork | but I agree, probably a custom Discord, don't think I've seen that downloadable. |
| 19:10.00 | wereHamster | oufzor2K6, what's the 'system' bar on the left? |
| 19:10.07 | Kirov | sysrage - yes, it is possible. |
| 19:10.10 | oufzor2K6 | don't know |
| 19:10.19 | oufzor2K6 | it's a custom discord yes |
| 19:10.24 | kergoth | Kirov: i know. |
| 19:10.25 | sysrage | kirov: thanks |
| 19:10.29 | oufzor2K6 | but do you think it's possible to make a new one ? |
| 19:10.33 | kergoth | Kirov: i was saying that msbt does |
| 19:10.38 | Kirov | oh |
| 19:10.52 | zenzelezz | <3 MSBT |
| 19:10.53 | Kirov | kergoth - sorry, read that as a question |
| 19:10.56 | kergoth | :) |
| 19:11.04 | oufzor2K6 | i've got the original files with the "pretty " things on the corners |
| 19:11.07 | Bouvi | oufzor2K6 you could remake it if you could find an addon that is like Discord Art. I have not been able to find one thou. |
| 19:11.11 | kergoth | the msbt4 consolodation stuff, especially with aoe, kicks a ton of ass |
| 19:11.45 | Bouvi | Anyone else know of something that you can import art like DART? |
| 19:11.53 | oufzor2K6 | There is only discord who offer customisation possibility ? |
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| 19:13.00 | oufzor2K6 | this UI has been uploaded on Curse Gaming : |
| 19:13.01 | oufzor2K6 | http://www.curse-gaming.com/fr/wow/addons-5820-1-elenwe-ui-druid-only.html |
| 19:13.13 | Bouvi | There is not another mod that I know of that allows importing art. If I could find out I could redo the art files for mine. |
| 19:13.38 | oufzor2K6 | okey |
| 19:14.06 | oufzor2K6 | can't you do it separatly |
| 19:14.06 | Cairenn | I *think* there have been "fan" updates to the discord stuff |
| 19:14.18 | KipWork | hrm. |
| 19:14.20 | Cairenn | check the discord site |
| 19:14.20 | Tuller | I believe there have been |
| 19:14.33 | Bouvi | There have. You can go to the discord site and download those but there have been a few issues with them. |
| 19:14.47 | Cairenn | in fact, I know there were, I approved them on WoWI, but they seem to have poofed, which I don't understand |
| 19:14.55 | oufzor2K6 | you can't already download discord ? |
| 19:15.01 | oufzor2K6 | can* |
| 19:15.03 | KipWork | piebuttons dont' support orbits by default but if you created mutliple pies with different radius that respond to the same click event you could simulate it I imagine. |
| 19:15.09 | Cairenn | they aren't official updates by Loz |
| 19:15.45 | Bouvi | Discord has not been updated by the original programmer. However if you go to the Discord General Forums you will see a sticky up at the top with version by a fan of discord. There have been a few errors reported thou. |
| 19:16.10 | Bouvi | http://www.discordmods.com/cgi-bin/showmessage.pl?forum=general&msgnum=1159 link to the discord forum where those are. |
| 19:17.34 | oufzor2K6 | Okey |
| 19:17.55 | oufzor2K6 | and how can i put the stuff of the UI i shown you before ? |
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| 19:18.11 | Bouvi | Hopefully there are install instructions with that UI. |
| 19:18.17 | wereHamster | hm.. I can't SetAttribute("binding-X", "SHIFT-F") and use "shift-spell-X" at the same time because the binding will 'consume' the shift and then WoW will look for the "spell-X" attribute :( |
| 19:19.03 | oufzor2K6 | There is an other problem with that UI : it has been made for Widescreen |
| 19:19.11 | oufzor2K6 | but it's not very important |
| 19:19.17 | AnduinLothar | yay Widescreen |
| 19:19.24 | KipWork | I need a widescreen monitor. |
| 19:19.26 | KipWork | >< |
| 19:19.48 | oufzor2K6 | lool |
| 19:19.53 | KipWork | I use a 21inch 'normal' ratio LCD |
| 19:20.07 | oufzor2K6 | i've a 19" |
| 19:20.20 | KipWork | I'm thinkin early next year I'm picking up one of the dell 30inch widescreens |
| 19:20.31 | Bouvi | Snagged a 21" widescreen for my B-day recently |
| 19:21.06 | wereHamster | seems like the 'shift-spell', 'alt-spell', 'ctrl-spell' stuff can only be used when the buttons are visible and the user clicks them :( |
| 19:21.39 | KipWork | I have this little flatpanel from a while back I was thinkin abou working into a dual monitor set up and putting all my static UI elements minus target and player winows on the 'extra' monitor |
| 19:21.58 | zenzelezz | seen some people do that |
| 19:22.02 | KipWork | were: Im' not familiar with the 'shift-spell' thing your'e tlakin about |
| 19:22.21 | zenzelezz | it's part of the secure stuff I believe |
| 19:22.46 | oufzor2K6 | hard to convert UI -_- |
| 19:23.07 | KipWork | you're not talkin about harmbutton, type-nuke- type stuff are you? |
| 19:23.39 | KipWork | nm |
| 19:23.42 | KipWork | I see what you're talkin about now. |
| 19:23.43 | KipWork | sorry |
| 19:23.48 | KipWork | I was reading the wrong part |
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| 19:26.02 | KipWork | well, I don't really see anything that defines shift+spell, I see a lot of mention for shift+action |
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| 19:27.13 | KipWork | and it looks like action in these examples is translating to mouseclicks. |
| 19:27.22 | KipWork | liek shift+action1 = shift+leftclick |
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| 19:45.13 | KipWork | heh, well after another 20 minutes of reading i get what you're tryin to do I think wereHamster. |
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| 19:47.50 | asdfjkloe | how do i realize "/yell" in lua |
| 19:48.14 | KipWork | SLASH_yell ? |
| 19:48.25 | foxlit | SendChatMessage("Blah","YELL") |
| 19:48.37 | Malivil | What foxlit said |
| 19:49.22 | asdfjkloe | thanks! :) |
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| 20:00.57 | Cairenn | boo |
| 20:02.18 | Industrial | eep |
| 20:02.22 | KipWork | wow |
| 20:02.22 | Industrial | ^^ |
| 20:02.22 | KipWork | lotta in and out here. |
| 20:02.36 | Industrial | KipWork: /names |
| 20:02.44 | Cairenn | yeah, some folks having connection issues |
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| 20:03.57 | KipWork | I'm lookin forward to messing with the pie thing tonight the more I read. |
| 20:04.09 | Bouvi | I like pie |
| 20:04.18 | Industrial | I think irc server software should become a bit smarter with that. If it sees a person disconnect and timeout a couple of times just keep it from joining any channels until it has stabilised or it starts talking |
| 20:04.27 | KipWork | looks like if I offset the segments and only identify certain ones I can make a button in the corner of the screen that opens up a fan shaped menu |
| 20:05.01 | KipWork | it's gonna take multiple actual pies though and I can't figure out the seting that sets the radius distance |
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| 20:07.44 | KipWork | hrm |
| 20:07.50 | KipWork | guess I could do scale if theres no way to set radius |
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| 20:09.08 | wereHamster | huhu.. can someone please correct me or link my thread from the US forums? http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=98720146 |
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| 20:14.32 | Cairenn | wereHamster: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=57699432&postId=575341151&sid=1#0 |
| 20:16.03 | wereHamster | thanks |
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| 20:18.09 | Industrial | I needs me some help. Yous see; http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/61/wowscrnshot121806211310py2.jpg |
| 20:18.18 | Industrial | that aint right see, its the same buttons |
| 20:18.33 | Industrial | but theys' three different bars |
| 20:18.39 | Industrial | http://pastey.net/3746 |
| 20:18.52 | Industrial | oh and the scale is all wrong :S |
| 20:22.29 | Industrial | any help appreciated |
| 20:22.56 | Industrial | staring at code several hours with an outcome of "o_<" isnt fun :P |
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| 20:24.18 | foxlit | The spell buttons at the bottom? |
| 20:24.38 | Industrial | yes |
| 20:26.00 | foxlit | Parent your bar containers to UIParent |
| 20:26.15 | foxlit | (line 43) |
| 20:26.27 | Industrial | I want to use the blizzard buttons now because when you make your own bindings with that click function to use the button when you move your mouse at the time of using the button you are actually picking up the button because of the mouse movement. very anoying. but thats irrelevant to my problem so never mind |
| 20:26.32 | Industrial | hm ok |
| 20:27.08 | PProvost | I have just published WowAceUpdater v1.6 final to http://sf.net/projects/wowaceupdater. If you are on an earlier version, please upgrate to get important bug fixes. Please see the release notes for more information. |
| 20:29.55 | KipWork | I'm bored. |
| 20:29.58 | KipWork | purl, dance |
| 20:30.00 | purl | ACTION <("<) <('_')> (>")> Dance Kirby Dance! |
| 20:30.50 | Cairenn | ~bored |
| 20:30.51 | purl | La ... lalalala ... beer! |
| 20:32.49 | wereHamster | PProvost, requires .NET :( |
| 20:33.01 | PProvost | Always has. |
| 20:33.10 | wereHamster | will it run under mono? |
| 20:33.13 | PProvost | Check one of the others if that is a problem. |
| 20:33.26 | PProvost | Not sure. cncfanatics was working on that today but not havign much luck. |
| 20:33.33 | PProvost | I'd love for someone to figure out why. |
| 20:35.08 | KipWork | I gotta start posting under a different character. |
| 20:35.22 | KipWork | I post things about how I Like the new system and I get bashed for being a hunter. |
| 20:35.35 | KipWork | I havn't played my hunter for more than a couple hours in almost a year |
| 20:37.11 | Cairenn | KipWork: heh, I hear that one a lot too ... until I tell them to shut up and look at my signature, at which point they figure out that I may actually have a clue |
| 20:38.42 | Industrial | lol |
| 20:39.15 | foxlit | Anyone had problems with IsSpellInRange? |
| 20:39.25 | foxlit | It doesn't seem to do what its name implies |
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| 20:42.29 | Industrial | foxlit: sorry for not replying on the code thing - ill continue on it once I get this guild thing done. Dont wanna reload my interface right now :> |
| 20:44.51 | foxlit | Maybe I'm using it wrong or something, but it seems to be an alias for UnitIsVisible |
| 20:45.57 | KipWork | I deleted my last response to a thread because i'm tired of agueing with people about the whole 'macro = no skill' thing. if you could play your character on a raid with 2 fingers, you were gonig a lil too far wih the addons :p |
| 20:45.58 | nevcairiel | Kemayo: your fix didnt fix it :) |
| 20:46.05 | nevcairiel | err, wrong channel, but you get it :D |
| 20:51.48 | KipWork | Hi, other ckknight |
| 20:52.05 | KipWork | it's liek attack of the underscore dopplegangers in here sometimes. |
| 20:52.33 | Cairenn | hehehe, yup, some times |
| 20:53.39 | ckknight | mwahaha |
| 20:53.50 | ckknight | I will crush all |
| 20:54.12 | sylvanaar | wow i never used x-perl before fancy |
| 20:55.29 | xgravix | xperl FTW |
| 20:57.33 | sylvanaar | ftw is right |
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| 20:58.06 | sylvanaar | theorycraft 2.0 too |
| 20:59.14 | KipWork | heh |
| 20:59.40 | KipWork | I work in an environment where my whole team 'has' to be on call 24/7 |
| 21:00.02 | sylvanaar | theorycraft fails |
| 21:00.20 | KipWork | our 'new guy' who's 40something retired military refuses to carry his pager and talks about his cell phone being 'flakey' even though he has a newer model than the rest of us and the same service (and it works all day for his personal calls) |
| 21:00.41 | KipWork | boss just emailed me askin where he was cause he's been trying to get ahold of him for 2 hours :P |
| 21:01.18 | foxlit | Lemme try once again. |
| 21:01.37 | foxlit | Does anyone know why IsSpellInRange() doesn't actually check anything relating to a spell's range, but rather acts like UnitIsVisible? |
| 21:02.37 | KipWork | sec, i remember reading something about spell range checks. |
| 21:02.46 | KipWork | :p I've been all over the place thoguh, not sure where I was reading |
| 21:03.35 | KipWork | wiki down? |
| 21:04.21 | KipWork | ok, nm its up |
| 21:05.04 | JoshBorke | geebus. i come into work for 3 hours and end up staying for 6 |
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| 21:06.03 | KipWork | can you do range checks on spells in combat anymore? |
| 21:06.17 | KipWork | this is what I readon wiki "Spell information functions take a spell name, or the spell ID followed by "pet" or "spell"; e.g. IsSpellInRange("Growl") or IsSpellInRange(2, "pet"); (Updated 10/13) " |
| 21:06.42 | JoshBorke | you can use IsSpellInRange in combat |
| 21:06.58 | foxlit | I don't care about using it in combat. |
| 21:07.17 | foxlit | [since I can't target based on its results, but that's another thing] |
| 21:07.55 | KipWork | dunno, thats all I got heh |
| 21:08.17 | KipWork | I can stab blindly if you give me what you're tryin to do but I doubt I"m much help. |
| 21:10.05 | foxlit | It's relatively simple: out of combat automatic buff targetting. |
| 21:11.21 | KipWork | and it's not reacting right? I assume from what you said that it's targeting if they're anywhere within targeting range not just in spell range |
| 21:11.50 | foxlit | It's behaving as if it's UnitIsVisible. |
| 21:12.02 | KipWork | hrm, I'm either lagged, disconnected, or it just ate my sentence. |
| 21:12.16 | Industrial | foxlit: ok im done with the guild stuff - I now parented the bars to UIParent and that fixed the scaling issue. They still have the same buttons though :) |
| 21:12.50 | foxlit | Glad that worked out :) |
| 21:12.53 | foxlit | Same buttons? |
| 21:13.00 | Industrial | same button id's |
| 21:13.02 | foxlit | <KipWork> and it's not reacting right? I assume ... |
| 21:13.38 | foxlit | And by id's, you mean :GetID()? |
| 21:13.39 | Industrial | Actionbutton1, MultiBarBottomleftButton1, MultiBarBottomRightButton1 have the same in it :S |
| 21:13.54 | Industrial | if i drag one out it gets gragged off all three |
| 21:13.57 | Industrial | dragged* |
| 21:14.30 | foxlit | AH, yes |
| 21:14.39 | foxlit | lines 76-77 |
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| 21:15.01 | foxlit | You anchor the bottom two to the one above. |
| 21:15.33 | foxlit | If you move the one above, it'll also drag the bars below it |
| 21:16.05 | Industrial | well yes, but how does that effect the contents |
| 21:17.11 | foxlit | It shouldn't. :/ |
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| 21:19.05 | foxlit | What are you dragging, exactly? |
| 21:19.39 | Industrial | er a spell |
| 21:19.46 | Industrial | on/off a button |
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| 21:21.06 | AnduinLothar | damn, that mate1 add on curse is VERY distracting |
| 21:21.44 | foxlit | And your problem is that if you drop it on one, it also gets dropped on the rest of them? |
| 21:21.50 | Industrial | yes |
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| 21:22.11 | KipWork | my intertubes are all blocked up. |
| 21:22.16 | foxlit | Do you have code that handles the dropping? |
| 21:22.23 | KipWork | if anyone has a spare lotto ball they could launch through, I think there are kids playing online poker again. |
| 21:23.56 | Industrial | foxlit: no its the blizzard buttons |
| 21:24.52 | foxlit | Check what they're doing. |
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| 21:25.28 | Industrial | they return the same id with :GetID() |
| 21:26.09 | foxlit | Someone at some point must be doing :SetAttribute() on those buttons |
| 21:27.13 | foxlit | Find what calls that, and how it knows it needs to call that. |
| 21:27.43 | foxlit | (find the code that handles the drop, actually) |
| 21:28.03 | foxlit | It could be that it calls some SetAction(id, "action")-like function that then proceeds to update all your three bars |
| 21:32.47 | Industrial | I think the error really is with my code |
| 21:32.55 | Industrial | http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/7848/wowscrnshot121806223147jp6.jpg |
| 21:32.59 | KipWork | test |
| 21:33.01 | KipWork | hrm |
| 21:33.10 | KipWork | my firewall guy is screwing with me I think. |
| 21:33.22 | KipWork | afk to stab geek. |
| 21:33.22 | Kirov | hrm? |
| 21:33.23 | Industrial | I gave the bars a background and the top 2 are MultiBarBottomLeft and Right (the bars that blizzard uses) |
| 21:33.26 | Bouvi | lol |
| 21:33.37 | Industrial | http://pastey.net/3747 |
| 21:33.54 | Industrial | and now the buttons are not there |
| 21:35.58 | Industrial | er, the spell on the buttons.. |
| 21:36.44 | KipWork | did you set them to virtual? |
| 21:37.06 | KipWork | I made a bar yesterday and didnt make them 'virtual' and they wouldnt display the spell icons until I did. |
| 21:37.18 | wereHamster | can I use SetAttribute("*", nil) to clear all attributes? |
| 21:37.22 | foxlit | :/ |
| 21:37.41 | foxlit | Try it? :GetAttribute() is your friend |
| 21:38.06 | wereHamster | right -.- |
| 21:39.13 | wereHamster | doesn't work :( |
| 21:43.31 | Jens | Anyone know how big the "fresh install" to 2.x patch is? |
| 21:43.46 | Jens | Google fails me. |
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| 21:46.04 | Elkano | most likely around 500mb-1gb |
| 21:47.42 | JoshBork1 | i'd say it's the same size as all the others |
| 21:50.46 | Jens | Meh... Sky.fm stream decides to play this song... might be a message from the gods. |
| 21:51.02 | Cairenn | lol |
| 21:51.29 | malreth | gah... i feel the same way right now |
| 21:51.39 | Jens | I should quit WoW (for the nth time). |
| 21:51.39 | malreth | i'm waiting for this 12 GB image to compress |
| 21:51.57 | malreth | and i can't proceed to the next step of this project until it's done |
| 21:52.02 | foxlit | Hm, wiki is weird |
| 21:52.05 | zenzelezz | spontaneously comrpess? |
| 21:52.08 | zenzelezz | *compress |
| 21:52.14 | malreth | :p |
| 21:52.16 | Jens | I should be studying for my exam tomorrow, but I can't be arsed. |
| 21:52.21 | malreth | waiting for it to *finish* compressing |
| 21:52.21 | foxlit | Spell information functions take a spell name, or the spell ID followed by "pet" or "spell"; e.g. IsSpellInRange("Growl") or IsSpellInRange(2, "pet"); (Updated 10/13) " |
| 21:52.23 | Jens | Compressing ot what? |
| 21:52.37 | Jens | s/ot/to |
| 21:52.40 | foxlit | But IsSpellInRange is IsSpellInRange(spell, unit) |
| 21:52.44 | malreth | then... after the compression is done, it gets prescanned |
| 21:52.52 | foxlit | not IsSpellInRange(spell, book) :/ |
| 21:52.56 | malreth | Compressing to a smaller size... |
| 21:53.04 | Jens | I meant format. |
| 21:53.22 | zenzelezz | what's it an image of? |
| 21:53.22 | malreth | Jens: ASR .dmg file |
| 21:53.38 | malreth | new drive image for the main computer lab here on campus |
| 21:53.47 | Jens | Oh... that kind of image. |
| 21:54.02 | zenzelezz | you didn't think it was a 12GB picture? |
| 21:54.07 | malreth | compressing and prescanning will make it much faster to roll out... important when there's like 50 computers |
| 21:54.15 | Jens | <insert rant about incompetent sysadmins at school and their retarded images> |
| 21:54.45 | Jens | They're using deepfreeze or some shit at school, and everything is completely locked down. |
| 21:54.54 | Jens | I can't even enable cleartype on the laptops. |
| 21:55.15 | Jens | Or switch crt monitors away from 75 hz so my eyes won't combust. |
| 21:55.25 | malreth | we take a different approach with our labs. we give the users local admin rights |
| 21:55.40 | malreth | then when they log out, we just automatically restore the computer back to the way it was before they logged in |
| 21:55.50 | zenzelezz | when I was in high school, half the year Win98 would inform you on boot that it had adjusted from summer time |
| 21:55.56 | Jens | I mean... if they're using deepfreeze, why lock it down so tight? Next reboot, it's back to stock config again anyway. |
| 21:56.23 | Gnarfoz | wth is deepfreeze? |
| 21:56.32 | malreth | ~wiki deepfreeze |
| 21:56.41 | Jens | Oh, and sysadmins have a habit of wiping all exe files from my home dir randomly and without warning. |
| 21:56.58 | Industrial | <3 flash drives |
| 21:57.17 | Jens | So putty.exe and firefox.exe have to be re-downloaded about every other week. |
| 21:57.20 | malreth | Gnarfoz: it's a system utility that is used to restore a hard drive to a known state |
| 21:57.26 | Gnarfoz | in software? |
| 21:57.29 | malreth | yep |
| 21:57.35 | Jens | And I get a whopping 50 MB of space. |
| 21:57.42 | Gnarfoz | ...does it work? ;D |
| 21:57.47 | Jens | Yes. |
| 21:57.50 | malreth | for what it does, yeah |
| 21:57.51 | Industrial | Jens: use a USB flash disk |
| 21:57.52 | Jens | I'm afraid. |
| 21:57.56 | malreth | it has some limitations, though |
| 21:58.02 | Jens | Yes, but I always forget it. |
| 21:58.06 | malreth | but it works as advertised |
| 21:58.07 | Industrial | Jens: hell put linux on it |
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| 21:58.14 | Industrial | :> |
| 21:58.21 | Gnarfoz | I can't imagine a non-exploitable 'lock down' software that runs on the same machine as it is supposed to protect |
| 21:58.24 | Jens | Most of the time, I RDP to home anyway. |
| 21:58.53 | Gnarfoz | we've got port 80 only, through a squid proxy, even :< |
| 21:58.54 | Jens | Gnarfoz: If you lock the OS down sufficiently, you can't fudge with it. |
| 21:58.57 | malreth | Gnarfoz: there is no security at all when the attacker has physical access to the computer |
| 21:59.07 | Gnarfoz | malreth: indeed |
| 21:59.12 | malreth | so it's used as a "just good enough" security thing |
| 21:59.25 | Jens | Our computers are locked in a steel cage. |
| 21:59.37 | malreth | it stops 99% of the users from doing bad things... that's good enough |
| 21:59.47 | Gnarfoz | that's why our PCs at school have hardware cards that intercept IDE communication and do the same 'forget everything the user does on reboot' in hardware, and the cases are locked :< |
| 21:59.48 | Jens | Can't get to anything but removable storage, unless you've got a crowbar. |
| 22:00.29 | Gnarfoz | guess our admins are not competent enough to fashion a reasonably secure solution in software only |
| 22:00.32 | Jens | Industrial: That kinda requires you to be able to boot from USB, and any sane sysadmin would disallow that. |
| 22:01.09 | malreth | Gnarfoz: yep... and we don't have any of that. No deepfreeze, the OS is wide open, and no hardware security (other than a security cable that provides a mild impediment for someone who wants to walk out with the machine). And our labs run with no problems. |
| 22:01.27 | Jens | malreth: I was at a school like that once. |
| 22:01.41 | malreth | we just keep track of everyone who logs in and let them know about it |
| 22:01.57 | Jens | I kept all sorts of spyware cleaners on my USB drive, so I could restore the machine I was sitting at to a working condition before I started working. |
| 22:02.07 | malreth | and the network routers won't activate the ACO unless you log in with a valid id |
| 22:02.17 | Gnarfoz | 802.1x? |
| 22:02.27 | malreth | so if you circumvent the login procedures, not only do red flags go off, you can't access the net |
| 22:02.32 | Gnarfoz | heh |
| 22:02.43 | malreth | Gnarfoz: something like that... I don't mess with that part. |
| 22:03.27 | Jens | Hmm... I need to make at least a half assed effort to prepare for tomorrows exam. |
| 22:04.35 | Jens | ps... malroth, go to ots.dk and apply for sysadmin job please :D |
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| 22:08.56 | KipWork | gym time. |
| 22:08.57 | KipWork | bai |
| 22:11.01 | Industrial | ugh I still cant figure this stupid button id thing |
| 22:11.04 | Industrial | out |
| 22:11.34 | Industrial | Im just parenting and moving the blizzard buttons to a new bar :| |
| 22:11.57 | Industrial | brbfood |
| 22:13.44 | JoshBork1 | somehow, i've managed to get half of my guild on my msn list =X |
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| 22:17.22 | Jens | I've got a problem... |
| 22:17.37 | Jens | People ask me to keep their mods updated, because they can't be arsed to do it themselves. |
| 22:17.42 | Jens | That's not the problem. |
| 22:17.56 | JoshBork1 | the problem is you say yes? |
| 22:17.59 | Jens | The problem is that I get n morons pestering me about how my mods work. |
| 22:18.06 | seebs | Write more documentation! |
| 22:18.08 | seebs | :) |
| 22:18.14 | kergoth | ~laziness |
| 22:18.15 | purl | LAZINESS: The quality that makes you go to great effort to reduce overall energy expenditure. It makes you write labor-saving programs that other people will find useful, and document what you wrote so you don't have to answer so many questions about it. Hence, the first great virtue of a programmer. |
| 22:18.17 | Scre3m | readme.txt ftw |
| 22:18.25 | seebs | WOOOO! I am no longer a Windows WoW player. I am now a Linux WoW player. Apparently. |
| 22:18.41 | Jens | You want the mods I'm using, fine. But do your own rtfm'ing, or handle your mods yourself. |
| 22:19.16 | Jens | "omfg grid, wth?" |
| 22:25.40 | foxlit | So I'm the only one with the IsSpellInRange problem? |
| 22:25.55 | JoshBork1 | foxlit: what was the problem? |
| 22:26.24 | foxlit | It returns 1 even in situations when the unit is out of range. |
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| 22:27.38 | JoshBork1 | you sure it returns 1? |
| 22:27.53 | foxlit | Actually, no. |
| 22:27.59 | foxlit | But whatever it returns evaluates to true |
| 22:28.04 | JoshBork1 | nil = no target |
| 22:28.06 | JoshBork1 | 1 = target in range |
| 22:28.09 | JoshBork1 | 0 = target not in range |
| 22:28.18 | foxlit | Er. |
| 22:28.28 | foxlit | IsSpellInRange(spell, unit)? |
| 22:28.31 | Kirov | ah |
| 22:28.38 | Kirov | one of "those" |
| 22:28.39 | JoshBork1 | unit can only be pet |
| 22:29.01 | Kirov | why? |
| 22:29.13 | foxlit | Then it'd be book. |
| 22:29.51 | JoshBork1 | because you don't know anything about any other spellcaster |
| 22:30.07 | Kirov | JoshBork1 - that's not what Unit is for |
| 22:30.25 | foxlit | Technically, Josh, the "pet" you mean is BOOKTYPE_PET |
| 22:30.29 | Kirov | JoshBork1 - in 2.0+ the "unit" is who you want to cast on. |
| 22:30.31 | foxlit | Which is your pet's spellbook. |
| 22:32.19 | foxlit | "target" seems to work correctly :/ |
| 22:32.57 | JoshBork1 | hm |
| 22:33.04 | JoshBork1 | i see |
| 22:33.41 | foxlit | Ah. |
| 22:33.58 | foxlit | if (0) then message("D'oh!") -- This actually triggers end |
| 22:34.13 | kergoth | only false and nil are considered false in that context. |
| 22:34.29 | foxlit | purl, help. |
| 22:34.31 | purl | from memory, help is /msg apt help |
| 22:34.42 | kergoth | empty string, zero, etc all evaluate as true |
| 22:34.48 | foxlit | Not the kind of help I was looking for. |
| 22:35.30 | foxlit | Thanks, kergoth. |
| 22:35.31 | JoshBork1 | anything but false and nil is true |
| 22:35.31 | malreth | 0 == true in lua |
| 22:36.37 | malreth | hah ahahaha! so many times i've wanted to say this: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=57439429&sid=1 |
| 22:37.09 | kergoth | hahah, nice |
| 22:37.28 | Scre3m | hehehehe |
| 22:37.35 | Scre3m | Sadly, you are now on that list. |
| 22:38.01 | Tuller | whee, right click selfcast again |
| 22:39.25 | foxlit | Meh, I need to outsource my text generation to someone |
| 22:39.34 | foxlit | Just thinking of it gives me a headache :/ |
| 22:40.01 | malreth | i saw a 30 days episode about outsourcing last night |
| 22:40.09 | Scre3m | anyone experienced the problem of chat windows disappearing after opening/closing the map? |
| 22:40.48 | foxlit | nope |
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| 22:45.48 | foxlit | http://wow.pastey.net/3751-1eyh |
| 22:48.12 | foxlit | Can you think of any way of simplifying that? |
| 22:48.39 | Kirov | step one : AIEEEEEE! |
| 22:48.46 | Kirov | step two : delete |
| 22:48.52 | Kirov | step three : ??? |
| 22:49.09 | JoshBork1 | 1 2 3 4 5 |
| 22:49.11 | JoshBork1 | rogues |
| 22:50.46 | foxlit | Meh, that's off. |
| 22:50.52 | foxlit | 1: Delete 2: ??? 3: Profit! |
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| 22:58.14 | foxlit | WoW periodically loses my 4x antialising :( |
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| 22:58.34 | foxlit | RestartGx(); seems to fix it, but still |
| 23:01.54 | Tularis | I'm having problems with inheritance :S |
| 23:02.11 | Tularis | just don't get inheritence in frames with onload-script handlers :| |
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| 23:02.48 | foxlit | You want to put an onload handler on an inhereted frame with an onload handler? |
| 23:02.55 | Tularis | yes |
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| 23:03.10 | Tularis | virtual frame even ;p |
| 23:03.27 | foxlit | <Frame name="MyFrame" inherits="SomeFrame"><Frames><Frame name="MyDummy"><Scripts><OnLoad>voila! |
| 23:03.36 | Tularis | tried it? |
| 23:03.50 | foxlit | No. |
| 23:03.57 | foxlit | But I see no reason why it wouldn't work |
| 23:04.14 | foxlit | (this would refer to dummy, but you can work around that) |
| 23:05.47 | Tularis | http://wowi.pastey.net/3753 |
| 23:05.49 | Tularis | shows my code |
| 23:05.54 | Tularis | test only ofc |
| 23:06.17 | Tularis | with the result... which is less than I would expect |
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| 23:07.52 | Bouvi | Finally home :) I hate long commutes |
| 23:08.01 | Tularis | :) |
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| 23:10.11 | foxlit | Tularis: That isn't weird |
| 23:10.18 | Tularis | oh? |
| 23:10.26 | foxlit | Every one of your inherits overrides the OnLoad handler |
| 23:10.46 | foxlit | So only the last one (on f3) would get called |
| 23:10.52 | Tularis | figures |
| 23:11.12 | foxlit | If you really wanted to get around that, do |
| 23:11.17 | foxlit | <Frame name="MyFrame" inherits="SomeFrame"><Frames><Frame name="MyDummy"><Scripts><OnLoad>voila! |
| 23:11.31 | Tularis | you know that's ugly right |
| 23:11.37 | foxlit | Yes. |
| 23:11.40 | Tularis | ;p |
| 23:11.47 | foxlit | But that's the only way you can both inherit and create your own OnLoad |
| 23:12.27 | Tularis | but having members defined in f1 and others in f2, expecting them all to be defined for f3 will never work |
| 23:12.51 | foxlit | If they're not overriden, they'll be defined |
| 23:13.05 | foxlit | The assumption is that the people writing the templates know what they're doing |
| 23:13.22 | Tularis | I know what I'm doing, I just don't want to write double code |
| 23:13.55 | Tularis | so I've got a "MyButton" template, a "MySpellButton" template (inheriting MyButton) and a MyHealSpellButton (inheriting MySpellButton) |
| 23:13.57 | Cairenn | cross your fingers for me guys, just brought daughter's computer back from the shop, hopefully the damn thing will work finally |
| 23:14.24 | Tularis | but I can't inherit members defined in onload handlers from earlier templates |
| 23:15.46 | [Cu]Werik | Cairenn :) |
| 23:15.51 | Tularis | in most oop ways you could get a link to the parent object/class and run that in your own constructor |
| 23:16.26 | Tularis | function __constructor { parent::__constructor(); // mine own defines are now } |
| 23:16.31 | Tularis | to state it in ie. php |
| 23:17.12 | Tularis | it's late, I can't type :| |
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| 23:20.40 | Tularis | not much activity on this channel... :( |
| 23:20.50 | Tularis | right, off to bed... it's late... again |
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| 23:35.53 | xgravix | i gots to get a life and quit playing warcraft |
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| 23:37.42 | AnduinLothar | girlfriends are good for that |
| 23:37.47 | AnduinLothar | very motivating |
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| 23:44.43 | Guillotine | <3 the new topic |
| 23:47.30 | AnduinLothar | so... now that i've finally gotten 90% of my addons updated for wow 2.0.... i need to xmas shop |
| 23:48.51 | Cairenn | christmas shopping? what a novel concept, suppose I should probably start mine soon too |
| 23:49.12 | xgravix | wtf? there is still a week left |
| 23:49.24 | xgravix | way too early |
| 23:49.48 | Bouvi | I am sending wife out to shop Wed lol |
| 23:51.21 | AnduinLothar | i should start with a space heater for this upstairs bedroom in my parent's house... it's f-ing freezing here |
| 23:52.39 | AnduinLothar | amazon has a ton on sale... wonder what shipping looks like |
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| 23:53.18 | AnduinLothar | oh man, i feel sorry for people who work in shipping companies, retail and entertainment..... winter holiday season sux |
| 23:57.57 | seebs | I am so lucky, my friends and family generally don't do much for xmas shopping. |
