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| 00:07.53 | Kirkburn | Can I just say, this woman is a genius: "If Vista is run in full Aero mode, with none of the Vista-provided power management settings turned on, it is likely to demand more power, and have an impact on battery life," said Dell spokesman Ira Williams" ... I mean, wow, I would never have guessed that one! |
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| 00:10.07 | Kirkburn | (I'm reading an article at the moment which seems to be mostly made up of "no-shit sherlock" comments, e.g. "users who need to preserve battery life will face a trade-off in giving up some of the most impressive new features, says Richard Shim, an analyst with IDC." Well done to you sir!) |
| 00:16.44 | AnduinLothar | ooo, i think i found the WearMe bug |
| 00:17.25 | AnduinLothar | CacheInventoryItem instead of CacheContainerItem |
| 00:17.31 | AnduinLothar | was fubaring my cache |
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| 00:34.58 | xsarpedon | Yet another stupid question from me....how do you get the size of an array in lua? |
| 00:35.11 | foxlit | table.getn |
| 00:35.14 | xsarpedon | Thanks :) |
| 00:35.18 | foxlit | (numeric indices only) |
| 00:36.05 | xsarpedon | Is there an alternative for associative arrays? |
| 00:36.16 | xsarpedon | Think I'm good, but just curious |
| 00:36.45 | Kirov | don't use getn |
| 00:36.47 | Kirov | use # |
| 00:36.56 | Kirov | #tablename |
| 00:37.06 | xsarpedon | Oh, neat. Thanksagain :) |
| 00:37.06 | Kirov | (faster) |
| 00:37.16 | Kirov | Though, again, only works for indexed tables |
| 00:38.10 | xsarpedon | Is there a version for non-indexed or would I have to make auser function if I needed it? |
| 00:38.11 | Kirov | to find the size of a hash table you'll have to count it manually. |
| 00:38.57 | Kirov | local total = 0; |
| 00:38.58 | Kirov | for k in pairs(tablename) do |
| 00:38.58 | Kirov | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:38.58 | Kirov | end |
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| 00:40.10 | xsarpedon | Wow, I must be setting really low expectations of my skills with these questions :p |
| 00:40.33 | Kirov | I give example code regardless of who's asking |
| 00:41.01 | Kirov | don't take it personally, I learn from actual examples better than someone "explaining" it. |
| 00:41.38 | MentalPower|AFK | ~seen gazmik |
| 00:41.58 | purl | gazmik <n=gazmik@ns.icons.cx> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 71d 17m 16s ago, saying: 'hehe, glad I could help!'. |
| 00:41.58 | Kirov | well, the regulars I don't give example code from, but that's usually because I learned from reading their addons' code. |
| 00:42.29 | Kirov | MentalPower|AFK - when're you going to finish itemizer |
| 00:42.54 | MentalPower|AFK | I'm working on it ATM |
| 00:43.15 | Kirov | I started working on my own and ran across some oddities. |
| 00:44.11 | Kirov | Basically I was scanning the enchant ids and I've been finding that, quite consistantly, scanning from ~2500 to 2800 causes a disconnect. |
| 00:44.57 | Kirov | If I scan from 0-5000 at once it will actually see and parse all of the enchants, but the player gets disconnected as soon as the function finishes. |
| 00:45.25 | Kirov | It doesn't appear to be a consistant id, but rather some sort of range, I can't really explain it. |
| 00:46.09 | Kirov | item id scanning disconnects from the past usually resulted in the server refusing to return hyperlink information as soon as it got to a "bad" item. |
| 00:46.40 | Kirov | But since I'm using a single item id (hearthstone) and item enchants are, or at least were completely client side I'm a little boggled. |
| 00:47.34 | Kirov | I'm left with a rather annoying "fix" of letting the disconnect happen, then picking up from there. |
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| 00:51.30 | foxlit | Would scanning slower do anything? |
| 00:52.02 | Kirov | tried |
| 00:52.45 | Kirov | I scanned from 2500 - 2800 1 every fifth of a second. |
| 00:52.56 | Kirov | got disconnected around 2730 |
| 00:53.04 | Kirov | but only sometimes. |
| 00:53.32 | Kirov | at least on live, on beta it's every time between 2640 and 2790 |
| 00:53.46 | Kirov | but _only_ if I start at 2500 and go up to 2800 |
| 00:54.26 | Kirov | I got it to work sometimes on live but stopping for 10 seconds at 2500 and every 100 after then doing only 1 per frame between. |
| 00:54.37 | Kirov | but, again, beta kicks me off every time. |
| 00:54.38 | KiphereCE | hi |
| 00:54.45 | Gryphen | he3ya |
| 00:57.16 | KiphereCE | when life gives you lemons, flip it off and poop a rainbow if you're a unicorn. |
| 00:58.33 | KiphereCE | i'm so tired, and for some reason semi depressed right now. |
| 00:58.43 | KiphereCE | no idea why. blech |
| 00:59.28 | KiphereCE | I hope its not because of a parasitic worm that's trying to make me commit suicide in a pool so it can escape and begin it's adult aquatic life |
| 01:00.03 | Xuerian | o.o |
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| 01:06.36 | Dhraga | nn all |
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| 01:08.29 | KiphereCE | la la la, sad panda, don't know why. |
| 01:08.32 | KiphereCE | need cake or something |
| 01:08.33 | KiphereCE | ~pie |
| 01:08.38 | purl | Mmmmmm PIE! |
| 01:08.44 | Guillotine | ~roulette |
| 01:08.46 | purl | ACTION watches guillotine pull the trigger: BANG! |
| 01:08.51 | Guillotine | :'( |
| 01:08.57 | [Cu]Werik | You noob |
| 01:09.11 | [Cu]Werik | Dont you have any sense of survival |
| 01:09.13 | [Cu]Werik | :) |
| 01:11.40 | KiphereCE | x_x |
| 01:13.22 | Neuro | I know Bongos has it's own Casting bar built in to it, but can anyone think of any other actionbar packages that have a castingbar built into it? |
| 01:15.06 | KiphereCE | afk to find comfort food. |
| 01:17.26 | [Cu]Werik | ~roulette |
| 01:17.28 | purl | ACTION watches [cu]werik pull the trigger: Click! |
| 01:17.34 | [Cu]Werik | no comment |
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| 01:27.08 | Garoun|Loupana | Neuro: Trinity Bars has them |
| 01:27.17 | Garoun|Loupana | but I disable it because I prefer ECB |
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| 01:32.28 | Industrial | I got a fruitcake in my mail |
| 01:32.44 | Industrial | Bet if I keep it til next year its dps will rise and i can use it as a throwable :D |
| 01:32.50 | KiphereCE | how did they fit cogwheel into a mailbox |
| 01:32.54 | Industrial | "Fruitcake!" "Hu wha? *BANG*" |
| 01:33.29 | Cairenn | lol |
| 01:35.38 | [Cu]Werik | Did you know that digg.com is in the top 100 websites with the highest traffic rank on the internet? |
| 01:35.49 | Industrial | yeah. |
| 01:35.49 | foxlit | Yes |
| 01:35.55 | KiphereCE | did you read that on digg? |
| 01:36.00 | [Cu]Werik | no |
| 01:36.01 | [Cu]Werik | How lame is that -.- |
| 01:36.05 | Industrial | lol |
| 01:36.11 | KiphereCE | digg it. |
| 01:36.33 | [Cu]Werik | though, its around 95th or so |
| 01:36.43 | KiphereCE | I wonder how long before google buys it then |
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| 01:38.38 | KiphereCE | "every idea has already been done" |
| 01:38.45 | [Cu]Werik | That's not true |
| 01:39.09 | KiphereCE | I was just making a general statement, most of what I have 'come up with' i've found now on other sites :p |
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| 01:39.48 | Mike-N-Go | Yay! |
| 01:40.20 | Mike-N-Go | My IRC client has been giving me troubles, anyone have a suggestion for mac irc? |
| 01:40.45 | [Cu]Werik | ircle?:) |
| 01:41.23 | Mike-N-Go | I am on Colloquy currently, I will look that up. |
| 01:41.52 | Mike-N-Go | [Cu]Werik: Are you on mac? |
| 01:42.08 | [Cu]Werik | I think we both wish I'd be on mac |
| 01:42.28 | cladhaire | Mike-N-Go: Colloquy for the win. |
| 01:42.32 | cladhaire | Whats your problem with it? |
| 01:42.52 | Mike-N-Go | Well |
| 01:43.24 | Mike-N-Go | Before I trashed the Colloquy files in the Library, I had problems. |
| 01:43.33 | [Cu]Werik | Isnt Colloquy some msn like irc clone?:) |
| 01:43.51 | Mike-N-Go | One problem was that the main window, that one with the server chat window in it would not appear. |
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| 01:44.02 | cladhaire | thats really odd.. |
| 01:44.19 | Mike-N-Go | And now, I just gave it like 40 seconds, then it connected... |
| 01:44.19 | cladhaire | did you try AppDelete? |
| 01:44.34 | cladhaire | well, it takes some time to connect to freenode normally |
| 01:44.37 | Mike-N-Go | No, I just splight search. |
| 01:44.46 | Mike-N-Go | The window would not even appear. |
| 01:44.52 | cladhaire | i dont have any windows pop up |
| 01:44.53 | Mike-N-Go | spotlight* |
| 01:44.57 | cladhaire | you can change that in preferences somewhere. |
| 01:45.06 | cladhaire | i click the app, and 30 seconds later, i'm good to go. |
| 01:45.10 | Mike-N-Go | The one that says "wowi-lounge (irc.freenode.net) |
| 01:45.11 | cladhaire | use AppDelete, then try reinstalling |
| 01:45.13 | cladhaire | it should nuke everything,. |
| 01:45.25 | Mike-N-Go | s/n)/n)"/ |
| 01:45.35 | [Cu]Werik | There are snack and babbel as well |
| 01:45.49 | Mike-N-Go | That cost money :P |
| 01:46.02 | [Cu]Werik | I don't know, snack looks like an x-chat clone |
| 01:46.17 | [Cu]Werik | by the way, x chat should work on mac as well:) |
| 01:46.36 | Mike-N-Go | Who else is a mac user in here? |
| 01:48.36 | Mike-N-Go | I have a wow-lua question. |
| 01:49.12 | KiphereCE | you should ask it. |
| 01:49.21 | Mike-N-Go | Does it matter what version of luaframework I download? |
| 01:49.25 | KiphereCE | if you don't they develope in your brain and eventually make you jump in a pool then escape out your butt. |
| 01:49.51 | Garoun|Loupana | I think 5.1 is the one you want Mike |
| 01:49.51 | Cairenn | KiphereCE: has anyone mentioned lately that you are rather odd? |
| 01:50.26 | Garoun|Loupana | You know, KiphereCE is rather odd. |
| 01:50.29 | Garoun|Loupana | :P |
| 01:50.45 | Cairenn | I've noticed this |
| 01:51.02 | Mike-N-Go | How does /away work? |
| 01:51.05 | Garoun|Loupana | he just thinks outloud |
| 01:51.14 | Mike-N-Go | I want to go away, but it says I have returned.. |
| 01:52.03 | a-stray-cat | if you're currently away |
| 01:52.05 | a-stray-cat | you return. |
| 01:52.08 | a-stray-cat | otherwise, you go away. |
| 01:52.44 | [Cu]Werik | if you want to go away, just stand up and walk away from your pc :) |
| 01:52.45 | Garoun|Loupana | what he's saying is if you type /away regardless it always says you are no longer away |
| 01:52.48 | Garoun|Loupana | at least inmirc |
| 01:52.59 | cladhaire | i'm away now. |
| 01:53.02 | cladhaire | i have returned. |
| 01:53.06 | cladhaire | k k? |
| 01:53.10 | a-stray-cat | :O |
| 01:53.27 | Garoun|Loupana | :P on my irc client when I type /away it auto unaways :) |
| 01:54.08 | Cairenn | my client won't recognize /away at all, so .. |
| 01:54.13 | cladhaire | GOD i'm sick of coding perfectraid |
| 01:54.15 | cladhaire | its so close |
| 01:54.16 | cladhaire | btu so far |
| 01:54.27 | a-stray-cat | :( |
| 01:54.36 | [Cu]Werik | How is it going cladhaire?:) |
| 01:54.55 | cladhaire | well |
| 01:54.57 | cladhaire | very very close |
| 01:54.59 | Garoun|Loupana | I'll certainly be ready to test it the moment you have a working version Clad |
| 01:55.01 | cladhaire | but some key things need to get done. |
| 01:55.04 | cladhaire | define "working" |
| 01:55.17 | Garoun|Loupana | in a state you wish to test something outside of your testing |
| 01:55.19 | [Cu]Werik | Lots of people are waiting for it:) |
| 01:55.28 | Garoun|Loupana | aka alpha or greater :) |
| 01:55.38 | cladhaire | WTF |
| 01:55.45 | cladhaire | they nerfed AV snowballs |
| 01:55.49 | Garoun|Loupana | yep |
| 01:55.51 | a-stray-cat | yup :( |
| 01:55.55 | cladhaire | Garoun|Loupana: Aah most of my shit is already fully tested |
| 01:56.14 | Garoun|Loupana | I figured that Clad, you have your shit together when it comes to proper testing :) |
| 01:56.29 | cladhaire | i try O.o |
| 01:56.32 | Garoun|Loupana | but if you need me to que up av and test anything in particular on my druid or warrior just say so:) |
| 01:56.46 | cladhaire | anyone wanna figure out why these editboxes are fucked up? |
| 01:56.52 | cladhaire | only the left and right textures display |
| 01:56.54 | cladhaire | the middle doesn't |
| 01:59.08 | Garoun|Loupana | Does the blizzard minimap register any clicks? |
| 01:59.50 | a-stray-cat | i think so |
| 02:00.05 | a-stray-cat | ICU used to hook something like that |
| 02:00.55 | Garoun|Loupana | k, I'll look into it |
| 02:04.49 | foxlit | Gah, I hate this |
| 02:05.05 | foxlit | Localization sync is a pain, you never know when a fragment is no longer being used |
| 02:09.14 | Neuro | speaking of localization, any of you know korean? |
| 02:10.02 | Neuro | need to make sure this doesn't say "screw your mother" or something equally offensive: ?? ?? ??? |
| 02:10.15 | foxlit | questionmarks? |
| 02:10.17 | Neuro | hmm, guess mirc can't display korean text |
| 02:10.37 | Neuro | Oh well, babelfish says it's close |
| 02:10.46 | Neuro | so I hope those wacky koreans like it! |
| 02:19.58 | cladhaire | SOMEONE MAKE MY GUIS FOR ME PLS |
| 02:21.01 | cladhaire | lkol =) |
| 02:34.37 | foxlit | Hm, blizzard should provide you with an option to conjure an imaginary raid for ui-only purposes |
| 02:34.49 | Cairenn | heh |
| 02:34.54 | foxlit | AB queue is 23 minutes, and it's 0330 |
| 02:35.07 | cladhaire | mmm.. be horde. |
| 02:35.09 | cladhaire | =) |
| 02:35.40 | foxlit | Excellent point. Leveling to 60, though :/ |
| 02:35.53 | cladhaire | hehe you deal with it =) |
| 02:36.40 | Industrial | goddamnit i hate alliance |
| 02:36.53 | Industrial | cant ppl take a hint? /no /no /no /shoo |
| 02:37.03 | Industrial | almost killed the damn druid to - on the shimmering flats |
| 02:37.05 | KiphereCE | back. sorta. |
| 02:37.17 | Industrial | now i have to walk alll the way back from that lift |
| 02:37.27 | Industrial | and my gear is smashed |
| 02:37.29 | foxlit | Think I'll be able to parse http://wowi.pastey.net/3779 in my head for half the time it takes to level something to 60 |
| 02:38.10 | foxlit | Hm. sort is highlighted as a keyword. Pastey or Lua? |
| 02:38.16 | cladhaire | http://wowi.pastey.net/3780 |
| 02:38.23 | cladhaire | why are the second two frames doing this: |
| 02:39.00 | cladhaire | http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/9595/worldofwarcraftscreensnqa3.png |
| 02:40.25 | foxlit | The only difference is in the anchor? |
| 02:40.35 | cladhaire | you're lookin at the code =) |
| 02:41.07 | a-stray-cat | how strange |
| 02:41.12 | cladhaire | indeed! |
| 02:41.41 | foxlit | Will it go away if you anchor them to implicit parent? |
| 02:42.17 | cladhaire | hrm? |
| 02:42.35 | a-stray-cat | if you dump :GetBackdrop() on all three they're the same? |
| 02:42.37 | sylvanaar | i recall somethign about frames not showing their textures re:secure frames and anchoring |
| 02:42.48 | cladhaire | none of this is secure |
| 02:43.06 | cladhaire | a-stray-cat: Those aren't backdrops, they are a series of textures. |
| 02:43.07 | foxlit | Change groupbuff:SetPoint("TOPLEFT", buffname, "BOTTOMLEFT", 0, -5) to groupbuff:SetPoint("TOPLEFT", 95, -60) |
| 02:43.12 | cladhaire | based int he template. |
| 02:43.37 | a-stray-cat | oh. |
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| 02:46.34 | cladhaire | foxlit: Nope, no difference. |
| 02:46.40 | cladhaire | so WEIRD |
| 02:47.43 | cladhaire | framestrata doesn't fix it. |
| 02:47.43 | cladhaire | hrm |
| 02:47.44 | cladhaire | i wonder. |
| 02:47.44 | cladhaire | brb |
| 02:48.32 | cladhaire | got it |
| 02:48.34 | cladhaire | they were unnamed. |
| 02:48.50 | cladhaire | that middle texture was anchored on all three buttons to the first one |
| 02:48.52 | cladhaire | due to naming. |
| 02:49.01 | cladhaire | =) |
| 02:49.08 | foxlit | It's anchored to the left/right textures? |
| 02:49.27 | cladhaire | via template, yep. |
| 02:49.31 | cladhaire | the first button got named |
| 02:49.33 | cladhaire | .. something |
| 02:49.40 | foxlit | Ah, nil. |
| 02:49.41 | cladhaire | the second two were just failing to overwrite the first one. |
| 02:50.12 | foxlit | What is that for, by the way? UI looks sort of interesting. |
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| 02:51.14 | cladhaire | perfectraid |
| 02:51.15 | cladhaire | lol |
| 02:51.27 | cladhaire | it was stretegically cropped so you couldn't see the rest =) |
| 02:52.17 | KiphereCE | sexual harassment panda. |
| 02:52.28 | foxlit | Yeah, but that particular piece? buff name? |
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| 02:53.14 | cladhaire | its the buff configuration window |
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| 02:55.55 | Mike-N-Go | Anyone know if there is a TS or Vent server for Macintosh? |
| 02:56.21 | Mike-N-Go | I have been unsuccessful in finding one. |
| 02:57.29 | ag` | Vent server should be there for Vent at the official page |
| 02:58.36 | Mike-N-Go | What is better, and why; TS or Vent? |
| 02:58.51 | Xuerian | Vent has better quality. TS can be used on dialup. |
| 02:58.52 | Gryphen | loaded question |
| 02:59.06 | Xuerian | Not venturing deeper into that question :p |
| 02:59.24 | Cairenn | I sure as with pretty much everything in life, that would be a matter of opinion |
| 02:59.26 | ag` | Vent has OS X client |
| 02:59.27 | Mike-N-Go | Or, Skype :P |
| 02:59.30 | Industrial | o great |
| 02:59.46 | Mike-N-Go | ~vent |
| 02:59.52 | Industrial | now this druid roots and starts attacking me when im at the tanaris horde FP (im horde) |
| 02:59.58 | Industrial | and the guards attack ME |
| 03:00.09 | Mike-N-Go | Your faction? |
| 03:00.13 | Industrial | that guy must be laughing his ass off |
| 03:00.16 | Mike-N-Go | Atacks you? |
| 03:00.24 | Industrial | no its the goblins |
| 03:00.47 | Industrial | thats the fucking third time that druid does this to me >:( |
| 03:01.32 | Industrial | lemme alone! :X |
| 03:01.33 | Cairenn | so report him for griefing |
| 03:03.04 | KiphereCE | need.. tbc... |
| 03:03.08 | KiphereCE | want to roll my belf paladin >< |
| 03:03.50 | Cairenn | night MentalPower|ZZzz |
| 03:04.02 | MentalPower|ZZzz | night Cair |
| 03:05.49 | KiphereCE | did they change the beta downloader? |
| 03:05.59 | KiphereCE | I'm getting a 'download not authorized' |
| 03:06.11 | Cairenn | patch coming then |
| 03:06.20 | Cairenn | *checks* |
| 03:06.37 | KiphereCE | nm, it's actualy downloading it's just giving me the red eye |
| 03:06.49 | KiphereCE | I didnt do 2.0.3 yet :p |
| 03:06.53 | KiphereCE | thats what i'm downloading |
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| 03:09.02 | Cairenn | evening Iriel |
| 03:09.08 | Iriel | Evening |
| 03:09.12 | KiphereCE | Ahoy |
| 03:09.17 | KiphereCE | thanks for those files, gonna fool with them tomorrow. |
| 03:09.23 | KiphereCE | I'm in a funk tonight or I woudl have tonight. |
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| 03:12.04 | Cairenn | hi ckknight |
| 03:12.15 | ckknight | hey all |
| 03:13.07 | foxlit | Iriel, could you confirm something for me? |
| 03:13.31 | Iriel | foxlit: that depends - is it WARM? |
| 03:13.48 | foxlit | The consolidated changes topic for 2.0.1 -- "Spell information functions take a spell name, or the spell ID followed by "pet" or "spell"; e.g. IsSpellInRange("Growl") or IsSpellInRange(2, "pet"); (Updated 10/13)" |
| 03:14.13 | foxlit | But then |
| 03:14.13 | foxlit | "NEW result = IsSpellInRange(spell, [unit]) - is nil for no valid target, 0 for out of range, 1 for in range |
| 03:14.29 | KiphereCE | have they released a working model viewer yet? |
| 03:14.48 | KiphereCE | I wanted to look at some animations :p |
| 03:14.55 | foxlit | The general example is clearly using it as a spellId, spellBook call, but the API says spell, unit |
| 03:16.17 | Iriel | foxlit: Hm.. interesting.. I'd be inclined to try IsSpellInRange(2, "pet", "target") |
| 03:17.41 | Iriel | Just because, if it DOES work with both, that'd be the easiest way to test it |
| 03:18.43 | foxlit | Or, rather, a summonable short-duration pet. |
| 03:19.10 | foxlit | Wonder if it works for those |
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| 03:24.33 | KiphereCE | ~:3 |
| 03:24.34 | purl | It's a kitty! |
| 03:26.16 | a-stray-cat | hiya. |
| 03:26.23 | KiphereCE | hello |
| 03:26.27 | Cairenn | wb a-stray-cat |
| 03:26.35 | a-stray-cat | thanks :3 |
| 03:26.43 | KiphereCE | I was listening to Kitty from presidents earlier |
| 03:26.44 | KiphereCE | :p |
| 03:27.53 | KiphereCE | btw, been meaning to ask.. has blizzard said anything specifically about not likeing the Model Viewer in general? |
| 03:28.09 | KiphereCE | I know that sounds like a paranoid forum newb question but I dn't wanna fiddle with it if its something they disapprove of |
| 03:30.22 | Industrial | wow got me so upset i got a headache instantly |
| 03:30.34 | Industrial | ;\ |
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| 03:33.51 | foxlit | "All realms will come down for maintainance in 27 minutes" |
| 03:33.59 | foxlit | Why warn at 27, in particular? |
| 03:34.47 | KiphereCE | apparently there is a patch on beta today too |
| 03:35.50 | foxlit | Any elegant way to sort a table based on a dynamic subkey? |
| 03:39.20 | Iriel | foxlit: Sort of |
| 03:41.48 | Iriel | http://wow.pastey.net/3785 |
| 03:42.02 | Iriel | Hm, that has some typoes, let me clean it up a bit |
| 03:42.58 | Iriel | http://wow.pastey.net/3786 |
| 03:44.55 | Inside | ~_~ |
| 03:45.03 | purl | :/ |
| 03:45.34 | foxlit | Hm, that's not quite what I wanted, but I think I can see the general trick |
| 03:46.43 | foxlit | subkey on line 4 will always refer to the one declared on line 1, rather than the global? |
| 03:48.30 | Iriel | foxlit: yes |
| 03:48.41 | Iriel | foxlit: it's called an "upvalue" of the sortFunc function |
| 03:48.51 | Iriel | (A value that's bound to a local in an enclosing scope) |
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| 03:50.17 | Mike-N-Go | I downloaded http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/21860 , and no, I don't think that is what I want... |
| 03:50.19 | cogwheel | anyone have a direct download for today's beta patch? :( |
| 03:50.37 | foxlit | So the lua interpreter, when going through it, will go up scopes until it finds a variable named whatever you wre looking for? (or misses in the global scope) |
| 03:50.45 | Mike-N-Go | What is 'vent' short for, the voip client? |
| 03:50.51 | Iriel | ventrilo |
| 03:50.53 | cogwheel | ventrilo |
| 03:51.23 | Iriel | foxlit: Actually it's the other way around, the lua parser as it loads the file remembers the local variables it's seen and resolved symbols to those instead of global lookups |
| 03:51.23 | Iriel | foxlit: All of the non-global name resolution happens at compile time |
| 03:51.35 | Iriel | foxlit: Anything it doesn't match during compilation becomes a global lookup |
| 03:53.53 | foxlit | Hm, clever. |
| 03:53.53 | Mike-N-Go | Ok, I see a Mac OSX PowerPC vent server, anyone know how that works with intel macs? |
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| 03:58.47 | seebs | Hey, anyone here used perl unit frames much? I am getting an odd behavior which is probably my fault. |
| 03:59.41 | seebs | Specifically, I still get part of the regular Blizzard target frame, even though I have a replacement up. |
| 04:00.04 | foxlit | Which part? |
| 04:01.15 | foxlit | Meh, server shutdown doesn't even do a graceful kick on everyone. It just terminates all connections silently :/ |
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| 04:02.25 | KiphereCE | bedtimez |
| 04:02.32 | KiphereCE | night. |
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| 04:13.15 | foxlit | Can someone confirm that GetSpellCooldown can also take spellName, rather than (spellId, bookId)? |
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| 04:14.59 | Kirov | yep |
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| 04:15.26 | Kemayo | foxlit: It seems to. |
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| 04:15.50 | Roladon | Hello, I have a question about an event. I can't seem to find an even that is fired when you talk to an NPC offering multiple quests |
| 04:16.05 | Roladon | or awaiting you to turn in a quest |
| 04:16.45 | Kemayo | Roladon: "GOSSIP_SHOW" and "QUEST_GREETING". |
| 04:17.28 | Roladon | i tried quest greeting |
| 04:17.35 | Roladon | and just debugged to chat |
| 04:17.40 | Roladon | and i couldent get it to firer |
| 04:18.33 | Roladon | I'm trying to add a function to automaticlly turn in and accecpt 2 quests to an NPC (wintersaber quest) |
| 04:18.54 | Roladon | so that you can just right click the NPC and it turns them in |
| 04:19.36 | Roladon | I'll try GOSSIP_SHOW, thanks |
| 04:21.57 | Kemayo | GOSSIP_SHOW only fires when you talk to someone offering multiple quests. |
| 04:22.14 | Kemayo | It's been long enough that I can't remember when QUEST_GREETING fires. :) |
| 04:23.12 | Industrial | noooooo maintenance :( |
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| 04:30.35 | Roladon | thanks Kaelten, i got it to atleast know im talking to him now :) |
| 04:30.44 | Roladon | now for selecting and compleateing quests |
| 04:30.49 | Roladon | then accecpting new ones |
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| 04:33.31 | Mike-N-Go | Anyone know if a TS client can join a Vent server? |
| 04:33.57 | VoidRaider|afk | Hmm I doubt it |
| 04:34.37 | Xuerian | No |
| 04:34.55 | cladhaire | Hrm |
| 04:35.02 | cladhaire | okay buff config frame is almost done |
| 04:35.06 | Neuro | No, they are not compatible, Mike |
| 04:35.16 | VoidRaider | Neuro I used the textures from your eCastingBar to whom I need to give credit ? |
| 04:36.10 | Mike-N-Go | I set up my server, and connected to it locally, and I got something that said that the client requires the server to be configured for the Speex codec, but the server has GSM 6.10 codec. Inbound and Outbound voice comm will not function. it says. |
| 04:36.16 | Mike-N-Go | :o |
| 04:36.24 | Mike-N-Go | I think I have got me self in to deap |
| 04:36.45 | Tierrie | Mike-N-Go: no, because they use different protocols |
| 04:36.57 | Mike-N-Go | It is Vent server and a Vent client |
| 04:37.01 | cladhaire | Mike-N-Go: Thats a very issue |
| 04:37.06 | cladhaire | it has to be running the Speex codec |
| 04:37.07 | cladhaire | like it says |
| 04:37.12 | cladhaire | your server isn't, so you can't talk or listen |
| 04:37.17 | Mike-N-Go | via http://www.ventrilo.com/download.php |
| 04:37.44 | cladhaire | yes.. and the informatino posted about it is relevent. |
| 04:38.01 | Mike-N-Go | I don't know what that means, I have good bandwith, so I am trying to host a server for my guild. |
| 04:38.18 | Neuro | VoidRaider, depends on which one. Banto is a guy named Banto, Ace is the original Ace author, Moonmaster is a guy named Moonmaster, and most of the rest have been floating around, though I know I got them from Thunder_12 at WoWI |
| 04:38.30 | Tierrie | in your house? |
| 04:38.46 | Mike-N-Go | Tierrie: Me? |
| 04:38.47 | Tierrie | residential broadband does't have enough bandwidth to handle servers |
| 04:39.18 | Tierrie | especially since its mostly uplink |
| 04:39.26 | cladhaire | Mike-N-Go: It is very simple. In order for your client to talk to the serverm the server must be running the "Speex" codec. |
| 04:39.32 | Neuro | most residential broadband is very limited on their upload capacity |
| 04:39.36 | cladhaire | that's all it means... there's no mystery |
| 04:39.55 | Tierrie | if one person says hi and that takes 1k, and there's 20 people in the raid, that's about 20k uplink |
| 04:40.01 | Tierrie | *rough example* |
| 04:40.08 | VoidRaider | ok I'll give them a credit, and if you wish I'll add your name too ? |
| 04:40.15 | Roladon | speedx is 54 KBPS i think |
| 04:40.23 | Neuro | shrug, don't have to Void, I didn't make any of them =) |
| 04:40.30 | VoidRaider | :D |
| 04:40.31 | Roladon | so hi would be roughly 54k :) |
| 04:40.36 | Neuro | if you read the notes you can see who I credited them to |
| 04:40.37 | VoidRaider | Ok :D |
| 04:40.43 | Neuro | what's your addon btw? |
| 04:40.50 | VoidRaider | yeah but wanted to be sure :D |
| 04:40.53 | VoidRaider | Well haha |
| 04:40.57 | cladhaire | Mike-N-Go: This post explains in excruciating detail how to change the codec to Speex: http://www.ventrilo.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9540 |
| 04:41.00 | VoidRaider | Most of these Textures were obtained from Thunder12 at WoWInterface. Special thanks to Banto for Banto texture, Moonmaster for his texture, and Tem for helping me find a few others. Some textures were obtained from Bigwigs and ag_UnitFrames, many thanks to these fine Addons. |
| 04:41.01 | VoidRaider | To add your own texture, read the file 'AddingTextures.txt'. |
| 04:41.03 | Mike-N-Go | Where do I get a codec :o |
| 04:41.04 | VoidRaider | oops |
| 04:41.12 | cladhaire | I'm feeling lucki google for "speex codec ventrilo" came uip with it |
| 04:41.13 | cladhaire | shockingly enough |
| 04:41.13 | VoidRaider | http://ui.worldofwar.net/ui.php?id=3677 |
| 04:41.15 | VoidRaider | look here |
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| 04:41.33 | Mike-N-Go | Yay, when ever I click, the sound "sumoni" plays :P |
| 04:41.56 | VoidRaider | it's timers addon that has a castingbar built in and much more :) |
| 04:42.06 | Neuro | cool |
| 04:42.45 | VoidRaider | Try it, the layout is really amazing I'm working on it for like few months now :) |
| 04:43.13 | Mike-N-Go | Ok, I changed the VoiceCodec to 3 :) |
| 04:43.21 | Mike-N-Go | Thanks for telling me where to glean. |
| 04:43.34 | cladhaire | you are welcome. |
| 04:43.36 | VoidRaider | You can make your own skins replacing the textures also plug addons to it etc, really nice :D |
| 04:43.45 | cladhaire | next time, try googling dfirst, that's all I do. |
| 04:46.12 | Neuro | Void, suggestion: Have your mod disable Bongobar's castbar if it's present. I couldn't find a way for the user to disable it, and I got tons of complaints about that, so I threw that in. |
| 04:47.01 | VoidRaider | Hmm nop what's the mod ? I never heard of it :D |
| 04:47.07 | Neuro | Bongos |
| 04:47.19 | VoidRaider | I'll look it up a sec |
| 04:47.33 | Mike-N-Go | I have about 160 kB/s down, and 61 kB/s UP, according to testmy.net currently. |
| 04:47.51 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info4744-Bongos.html |
| 04:48.05 | Mike-N-Go | Think that is good enough for a voice server? |
| 04:48.11 | Tierrie | no |
| 04:48.22 | Tierrie | you need mbs on the uplink |
| 04:48.27 | VoidRaider | it's a simple castingbar or ? |
| 04:48.44 | Neuro | No, it's a button package |
| 04:48.50 | VoidRaider | ahh |
| 04:49.05 | Mike-N-Go | :( |
| 04:49.10 | Neuro | one of the three 2.0 compliant ones |
| 04:49.23 | Neuro | but it has a built in castbar, which unfortunately there's no method of disabling |
| 04:49.35 | VoidRaider | ohhh |
| 04:49.43 | Mike-N-Go | Well, that is 1.314 Mbp/s |
| 04:49.45 | Neuro | I couldn't find any way to move or disable it's built-in castbar |
| 04:49.48 | VoidRaider | Can't you just hide it ? |
| 04:50.00 | Neuro | you're better off just unregistering it |
| 04:50.03 | VoidRaider | and unregistered the events ? |
| 04:50.13 | Neuro | the frame is BCastBarCastBar |
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| 04:50.26 | VoidRaider | ah Ok I'll do that now thanks! :P |
| 04:50.47 | Neuro | mine says "if (BCastBarCastBar) then <unregister events>" |
| 04:51.04 | VoidRaider | yup I'll add it :) |
| 04:51.16 | VoidRaider | Hmm what about the mirrors ? |
| 04:51.30 | Neuro | I don't think it uses mirrors |
| 04:52.02 | Mike-N-Go | Thanks for your help, guys. |
| 04:52.06 | VoidRaider | Or it uses the default ones ? |
| 04:52.18 | Neuro | that's what i mean |
| 04:52.36 | Neuro | it doesn't have mirrors, so the default ones kick in |
| 04:58.04 | VoidRaider | ahh ok :P |
| 04:58.24 | VoidRaider | I removed it then ^^ |
| 04:58.42 | VoidRaider | I'll update it in few days, thanks! :) |
| 04:59.57 | Neuro | god bless canadian TV |
| 05:00.13 | VoidRaider | haha why ? :P |
| 05:00.26 | Neuro | they're playing the second half of Stargate:Atlantis already |
| 05:00.36 | Neuro | just d/l the newest ep |
| 05:00.41 | VoidRaider | ahh :D |
| 05:01.45 | Industrial | ugh stargate |
| 05:02.20 | Thunder_Child | ~destroy Industrial |
| 05:02.23 | purl | no |
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| 05:02.28 | Industrial | owned |
| 05:02.32 | Thunder_Child | indeed |
| 05:02.46 | ckknight | hey all |
| 05:02.46 | Thunder_Child | i hate you purl |
| 05:02.53 | Industrial | ~destroy bad-startrek-sci-fi-copies |
| 05:02.55 | purl | no |
| 05:02.57 | Industrial | :( |
| 05:02.59 | Cairenn | hi ckknight |
| 05:03.10 | Thunder_Child | stargate > star trek |
| 05:03.14 | Industrial | lol |
| 05:03.16 | Industrial | no way. ever. |
| 05:03.24 | Thunder_Child | w/e |
| 05:03.30 | Industrial | blasphemy! |
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| 05:03.43 | Industrial | I sentence you to 100 episodes of startrek: voyager |
| 05:03.52 | Thunder_Child | voyager was my fav |
| 05:03.56 | Industrial | good mine too |
| 05:03.57 | Industrial | :D |
| 05:04.13 | Mike-N-Go | For voice quality, why are there so many options for the Codec and Format, and what does it matter what Codec or Format you chose? |
| 05:04.18 | Thunder_Child | and if the seasons weret so damn expensive i would own them |
| 05:04.49 | Industrial | Mike-N-Go: in short; everyone thinks he can do it better and promotes his own thing. you can pick any of them. |
| 05:04.52 | Industrial | ;p |
| 05:05.08 | Industrial | I feel like downloading the entire seinfeld series :o |
| 05:05.15 | Industrial | lets see if it exists :) |
| 05:05.29 | Mike-N-Go | Industrial: What do you mean, about promoting something? |
| 05:06.06 | Industrial | the codec they made |
| 05:06.41 | Mike-N-Go | I am new to this, where can I learn about this? |
| 05:06.48 | Industrial | seinfeld - all episodes, there we go |
| 05:07.20 | Industrial | Mike-N-Go: never mind what I said. |
| 05:07.25 | VoidRaider | Well each codec has its own quality and one may have a better quality and data compression then another etc :) |
| 05:08.40 | Mike-N-Go | How did they figure this out :| |
| 05:12.39 | Mike-N-Go | Am I reading this correctly, the mac Vent client does not support GSM |
| 05:12.42 | Mike-N-Go | ? |
| 05:13.45 | cladhaire | correct |
| 05:13.46 | cladhaire | only speex |
| 05:14.19 | Mike-N-Go | Why would they do that, and make the default GSM... |
| 05:14.30 | cladhaire | because, Mac OS X support is experimental. |
| 05:14.34 | cladhaire | completely |
| 05:15.03 | cladhaire | goodnight all |
| 05:15.13 | Cairenn | night clad|sleep |
| 05:15.16 | Mike-N-Go | Night clad|sleep thanks |
| 05:23.28 | Tierrie | woot for some reason they finally gave me control of Drathal's on ui.wow.net |
| 05:23.36 | Mike-N-Go | Did I read this right, they only allow the public version of Vent to have 8 connected clients? |
| 05:23.54 | Mike-N-Go | The server version for mac. |
| 05:24.42 | Tierrie | yes |
| 05:24.46 | Tierrie | all servers |
| 05:25.35 | Mike-N-Go | :o |
| 05:25.41 | Mike-N-Go | Why so low? |
| 05:26.15 | VoidRaider | They want your money :P |
| 05:26.26 | Tierrie | according to the readme/text its because they want people to use vent on quality servers that can support it |
| 05:26.28 | Tierrie | not home users |
| 05:26.29 | Mike-N-Go | Oh, there is something to pay for? |
| 05:26.44 | VoidRaider | Dunno :P |
| 05:27.02 | Mike-N-Go | Who has the 'good' servers? |
| 05:27.14 | Tierrie | they should have linked it from the site |
| 05:27.28 | Tierrie | some people who licensed the server |
| 05:28.59 | Mike-N-Go | And 'slot' == '1 client'? |
| 05:30.33 | Mike-N-Go | Is this 'pro' thing for TS too, or something like it? |
| 05:30.49 | Tierrie | there's no pro for home users |
| 05:31.41 | VoidRaider | Hmm the introduction movie for the BC is not in its full length aight ? or :P |
| 05:32.44 | Mike-N-Go | So, for the server that I would host from my house, I can't have any more then 8 clients, right? Or is there a way, or different program, to do this? |
| 05:32.47 | Cairenn | Mike-N-Go: are you planning on running your own server/channel or are you just needing the client so you can hook into an already existing server/channel |
| 05:33.18 | Mike-N-Go | Our WoW guild has no existing server for VOIP, and I am trying to fill that role. |
| 05:33.38 | Mike-N-Go | Start my own server, Cairenn. |
| 05:33.38 | Cairenn | then yeah, you could only have 8 users |
| 05:33.50 | Mike-N-Go | Enough for an instance :0 |
| 05:33.59 | Cairenn | unless you pay for the commercial version |
| 05:34.06 | abug | "pay" |
| 05:34.10 | VoidRaider | Ahh so you need to pay haha :P |
| 05:34.13 | Mike-N-Go | What is the APR? |
| 05:34.25 | Mike-N-Go | ARP* |
| 05:34.39 | VoidRaider | But you can use TS or use cracked version lol |
| 05:35.10 | abug | pfft way to be unsubtle |
| 05:35.16 | Mike-N-Go | Cracked, you mean broken? |
| 05:35.21 | VoidRaider | lol |
| 05:35.22 | Mike-N-Go | What magic is this! |
| 05:35.37 | Cairenn | cracked as in hacked |
| 05:35.53 | Mike-N-Go | So, not legal, ehh? |
| 05:35.57 | Cairenn | correct |
| 05:36.03 | VoidRaider | The 'legal' version |
| 05:36.05 | VoidRaider | lol |
| 05:36.06 | abug | legal in some countries |
| 05:36.12 | abug | just not most |
| 05:36.25 | Mike-N-Go | What country are you in if your on the ocean? |
| 05:36.27 | cmunn | If you're just setting up a home service, I'd recommend going with Teamspeak. It's free, and easy to setup. |
| 05:36.44 | cmunn | Also, you can have as many clients as you want. |
| 05:36.50 | Mike-N-Go | cmunn: One problem. I am Mac only. |
| 05:37.01 | cmunn | Another reason I recommend TS. It has a good mac client. |
| 05:37.06 | cmunn | Ventrilo does not. |
| 05:37.11 | Mike-N-Go | Not Server, for mac. |
| 05:37.11 | cmunn | I'm on a mac. |
| 05:37.20 | Mike-N-Go | From what I could find |
| 05:37.39 | Mike-N-Go | There is a non-oficial version client, from what I have found. |
| 05:38.17 | Mike-N-Go | Can you correct me if my study is innocuous? |
| 05:38.38 | cmunn | The non-official mac client is "unofficially" supported by the developers. It is quality. |
| 05:38.44 | cmunn | However, the issue of the server still remains :( |
| 05:39.06 | abug | you should be sorry |
| 05:39.17 | VoidRaider | haha :P |
| 05:39.25 | Cairenn | no one is talking mods at the moment, so not a problem |
| 05:39.26 | cmunn | Don't worry, they're polite here. They'll wait till you finish your conversation to ban you. |
| 05:39.38 | Cairenn | lol |
| 05:39.38 | Mike-N-Go | Thanks! |
| 05:39.41 | VoidRaider | rofl |
| 05:40.15 | Mike-N-Go | So, I could get a box to run the server 9.9 |
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| 05:40.27 | Cairenn | you guys know I don't mind "Off-topic" as long as the channel is quiet |
| 05:40.45 | Mike-N-Go | I think by what I have done, that if I would be banned, it would have happened a long time ago :P |
| 05:41.13 | Mike-N-Go | Thanks for your tolerance clad and Cairenn! |
| 05:41.24 | cmunn | Do you have an old PC laying around anywhere, Mike? |
| 05:41.29 | Cairenn | hell, it's a 50/50 split between off and on-topic in here most of the time, which is just fine by me, it's what the channel is for |
| 05:41.30 | abug | clad is tolerant by sleeping |
| 05:41.47 | Mike-N-Go | Nope, but I could get one from the IT guy at my highschool. |
| 05:41.53 | cmunn | It's a lounge. ^_^ |
| 05:42.22 | Cairenn | cmunn: precisely |
| 05:42.24 | abug | I never see Cairenn|sleeping |
| 05:42.35 | Cairenn | it happens some times |
| 05:42.35 | cmunn | For a server, very minimum. |
| 05:56.00 | Industrial | Anyone here seen Ghost in the Shell? (tv series) |
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| 05:58.47 | Cairenn | morning Cide |
| 06:01.33 | Xuerian | Industrial: Both movies, all of the first season, and as much of the second as I could get. |
| 06:06.33 | Inside | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:06.33 | Inside | >_> |
| 06:11.48 | Cide | Mike-N-Go: probably |
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| 06:11.51 | Cide | morning Cairenn |
| 06:12.06 | Mike-N-Go | Other then that, Cide, how are you doing? |
| 06:12.19 | ckknight | anyone have a diff of the beta patch? |
| 06:13.11 | Esamynn | ~poke Tierrie |
| 06:13.19 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Tierrie, pokes Tierrie repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 06:13.19 | Tierrie | ducky! |
| 06:13.19 | Tierrie | hi Esamynn! |
| 06:13.24 | Tierrie | :( |
| 06:13.44 | Tierrie | so |
| 06:14.04 | Tierrie | whats up folks! |
| 06:14.22 | Mike-N-Go | ~poke everyone |
| 06:14.26 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind everyone, pokes everyone repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 06:14.52 | Tierrie | hey you know what's funny is the ps3 ads |
| 06:15.06 | Tierrie | they are spending tons of money on ps3 time on tv but they can't get any sales because they don't have any for sale |
| 06:15.51 | Esamynn | talk about irony huh? ;) |
| 06:16.07 | Tierrie | yes |
| 06:16.19 | Tierrie | i am enjoying myself when stupid people do that |
| 06:16.26 | Esamynn | hehe |
| 06:17.43 | Tierrie | thanks for approving DHUD Cairenn! |
| 06:17.49 | Cairenn | Tierrie: :) |
| 06:17.59 | Tierrie | <-- Caeryn |
| 06:18.03 | Mike-N-Go | Q: What are you, a 'he' or a 'she'? |
| 06:18.06 | Cairenn | yeah, got that |
| 06:18.07 | Tierrie | it |
| 06:18.13 | Tierrie | I'm an it |
| 06:18.25 | Tierrie | ok i lied |
| 06:18.36 | ckknight | female? |
| 06:18.40 | Mike-N-Go | Tierrie: Sorry, there are only 2 choices, decided quickly. |
| 06:18.56 | ckknight | well, there is intersex |
| 06:19.04 | ckknight | and always transsexuals |
| 06:19.22 | ckknight | and chimaeral hermaphrodites... |
| 06:19.31 | Esamynn | ~lart ckknight |
| 06:19.32 | Tierrie | my manboobs says 'she' but my penis says 'he' |
| 06:19.34 | ckknight | and such |
| 06:19.45 | Tierrie | haha |
| 06:19.59 | Tierrie | jesus :P |
| 06:20.00 | Esamynn | oh god, no, we don't want him stuck in here purl :P |
| 06:20.06 | seebs | I have met enough people about whom I could not make a definitive gender or sex statement that I've just given up on the categories. |
| 06:20.24 | Industrial | Xuerian: its really making me think about how far you'd want to go with AI :) (was at ep 15 where they discover the robo's learned to become individual) |
| 06:21.10 | Xuerian | Heheh, that's the beauty of the series. One of the ones that makes you you think =) |
| 06:21.29 | Industrial | yeah its fun |
| 06:21.44 | Inside | Which series is this? |
| 06:22.00 | Industrial | I also think it was nice that it just began without explaining to you what kind of a world they live in and you have to discover by yourself |
| 06:22.06 | Industrial | Ghost int he Shell |
| 06:22.13 | Inside | ~_~ |
| 06:22.17 | purl | :/ |
| 06:22.17 | Inside | oh, the tachikomas? |
| 06:22.22 | Industrial | yes |
| 06:22.23 | Inside | spoilers: Tachikomas die. |
| 06:22.27 | Industrial | fuck you |
| 06:22.30 | Industrial | man |
| 06:22.31 | Industrial | why? |
| 06:22.34 | Inside | Actually, I'm not sure if they do or not. |
| 06:22.37 | Esamynn | ~lart Inside |
| 06:22.42 | Inside | I haven't seen all of ghost in the shell |
| 06:22.49 | Industrial | thats not cool :| |
| 06:22.51 | Xuerian | Don't say it till you've seen it ;) |
| 06:23.15 | Esamynn | Ghost in the Shell is definately a neat series |
| 06:23.26 | Inside | I've seen enough animu to know that in a serious series like GitS if you have a minor supporting character and they're cute or something they'll always die. |
| 06:23.35 | Inside | So obviously Tachikoma are on the artistic hitlist. |
| 06:23.43 | Inside | BECAUSE THEN YOU'LL FEEL THE PAIN OR SOMETHING. |
| 06:23.44 | Esamynn | ~bzfrag In |
| 06:23.46 | purl | ACTION kills In with a shot from his BZTank |
| 06:23.46 | Inside | Sorry. |
| 06:23.46 | Esamynn | ~bzfrag Inside |
| 06:23.48 | purl | ACTION tries to kill Inside, but Inside finds the shield flag |
| 06:23.52 | Inside | >_> |
| 06:23.53 | Inside | nice |
| 06:24.20 | Inside | Hmmm, there are so few series that I've seen where somebody doesn't die. |
| 06:24.34 | Industrial | Eureka Seven |
| 06:24.38 | Inside | Hmmm |
| 06:24.40 | Industrial | wait, no.. well maybe |
| 06:24.46 | Xuerian | GITS has a funny habit with characters dying |
| 06:24.49 | Inside | Well, minus cities being wiped out and so on. |
| 06:24.54 | Industrial | =P |
| 06:24.55 | Inside | No, I mean as of the named supporting/main cast. |
| 06:25.09 | Industrial | lol oh right, the cities |
| 06:25.12 | Inside | Don't forget that whole thing in the end where EVERYONE DIES. (no, not really) |
| 06:25.17 | Industrial | never forget the cities! |
| 06:25.24 | Inside | I call it the eva syndrome. |
| 06:25.34 | Inside | ZOMG LETS MAKE IT LOOK EPIX BY WIPING OUT WHOLE LARGE CITIES! |
| 06:25.49 | Inside | Yeah yeah, let's show individuals doing their little individual things and then seeing the flash of life and POOOF! |
| 06:26.02 | Inside | We'll draw extra poofy marks to make it look like they died all gory like. |
| 06:26.11 | Xuerian | Someone kick inside. |
| 06:26.15 | Xuerian | He needs to be outside. |
| 06:26.15 | Inside | Why :< |
| 06:26.29 | ZealotOnAStick | Evangelion: 21 hours of kickass riuned by 3-5 hours of confusing introspective angst. |
| 06:26.39 | Tierrie | they are remaking Evangelion |
| 06:26.39 | ZealotOnAStick | s/riuned/ruined |
| 06:26.41 | Xuerian | :P |
| 06:27.00 | Tierrie | Cairenn: do you think spending over 80% of your time on the UI's UI is too much :P |
| 06:27.03 | ZealotOnAStick | ok, what am I doing wrong, the s/ thing never works for me. |
| 06:27.34 | Cairenn | Tierrie: not really |
| 06:27.34 | Inside | You mean the gold platinum director's special third cut re-release with 32 seconds of old footage that they found on the director's sketchpad in the paper bin? |
| 06:27.34 | Inside | Anyway, sorry to y'all |
| 06:27.38 | ZealotOnAStick | No. A live action version, with Peter Jackson's WETA doing the f/x. |
| 06:27.39 | Inside | Just feeling bitter tonight for some reason. |
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| 06:27.48 | Esamynn | Tierrie: how much time do you think is spent on the UI of most software? ;) |
| 06:28.04 | Inside | I wonder if it'll have the Shinji wanking it to Asuka's comatose body scene.. hmm |
| 06:28.12 | Tierrie | no Zealot, they are making Evangelion again. And the live action is being done by Weta but Peter Jackson is not associated with it |
| 06:28.40 | Inside | Hmm |
| 06:29.13 | ZealotOnAStick | Then he's simply profiting from it. Last I remember reading, he owned a not insignificant portion of the company. |
| 06:29.30 | Tierrie | Evangelion is not even in preproduction atm |
| 06:29.30 | Inside | That's what rich people do, they get rich, sometimes from doing nothing. |
| 06:29.40 | Inside | They couldn't find a main actor whiny enough |
| 06:29.49 | ZealotOnAStick | Impossible! |
| 06:29.54 | Inside | Have you SEEN Eva? |
| 06:30.05 | ZealotOnAStick | There's tons of out of work actors who didn't make the cut to the CW! |
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| 06:30.15 | Inside | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:30.32 | ZealotOnAStick | Yes. 3 times. Closer to 4 if you count all the versions of the ending I've seen. |
| 06:30.36 | Inside | CW? |
| 06:30.53 | Inside | current.. work |
| 06:30.53 | Inside | ? |
| 06:30.54 | ZealotOnAStick | CW = new TV network that is more or less a merger of UPN and the BW |
| 06:31.08 | Inside | Ah |
| 06:31.11 | ZealotOnAStick | Has . . . |
| 06:31.13 | ZealotOnAStick | Uhm. |
| 06:31.16 | ZealotOnAStick | Smallville . . . |
| 06:31.20 | Inside | here they sold UPN to fox which then becamse MyNetwork29TV or something. |
| 06:31.22 | ZealotOnAStick | and I know of nothing else of any note whatsoever. |
| 06:32.13 | Inside | heh |
| 06:34.33 | End | odd, it turns out I sheeped a druid instead of a priest like I thought, but he didn't bother shifting out of it |
| 06:34.34 | Inside | Quick, what's (2^31 -1)/1000/60/60/24 ? |
| 06:34.51 | Inside | !calc |
| 06:36.17 | Inside | Hmmm |
| 06:36.20 | Inside | Apparently only 24 days. |
| 06:36.29 | Inside | Oh well, no way my program would run for 24 days, hmm? |
| 06:37.06 | Esamynn | End: that's a pretty stupid druid :P |
| 06:37.46 | Inside | Oh? Can droods shift out whenever they want to? |
| 06:38.10 | Inside | Hmm.. interesting |
| 06:38.10 | Esamynn | Inside: your answer is 24.855134803241 ;) |
| 06:38.34 | Inside | I noticed. |
| 06:39.09 | Inside | >_> |
| 06:39.14 | Inside | http://www.myfoxchicago.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=1823428&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=VSTY&pageId=1.1.1 wtf Xd |
| 06:39.24 | Esamynn | Inside: we couldn't always shift out when poly'd but we have been able to for a long time |
| 06:39.52 | Inside | That's very shiny |
| 06:39.58 | Inside | I want to be a belf drood |
| 06:40.38 | Tierrie | you can't, the blood elf doesn't use nature magic |
| 06:40.55 | Inside | Doesn't mean I can't stop wishing. |
| 06:41.05 | ZealotOnAStick | I was most annoyed that Blood Elves couldn't be warriors. |
| 06:41.09 | Inside | You all know that inside of those metrosexual belfs there's a hippy wanting to get out. |
| 06:41.21 | Inside | "Hey maaaaaaaaaaaan I just wanna be one with nature maaaaaaaan" |
| 06:41.21 | Mike-N-Go | Inside: What would run fo' 24 days? |
| 06:41.32 | Esamynn | Inside: the Cenarion Circle wouldn't associate with the blood elves, even on a cold day in hell! :P |
| 06:41.46 | Inside | Mike-N-Go: Nothing WoW related, just redoing how my input handling in my program works. |
| 06:41.53 | Inside | They could be the green elves, or the brown elves. |
| 06:42.24 | Inside | We just want to plant this big MJ tree here you heaaaaaaaar? +fifty billionty to herbalism their bonus'd be. |
| 06:42.25 | Inside | be. |
| 06:42.27 | Mike-N-Go | Ok, if it was for WoW, I would say don't you know that you would go down every Tuesday? |
| 06:42.29 | Xuerian | ZealotOnAStick: Why the heck do you want a blood elf to be a warrior? |
| 06:42.44 | Mike-N-Go | How long does winter vill last? |
| 06:42.54 | Xuerian | "Zomg. My civilization lives off magic. We enslave it. Eat it. Drink it. Bathe in it. Use it as aphrodesiac... BUT WAIT! |
| 06:42.57 | Inside | Because a silver shining breastplate would look effing hawt on a belf female? |
| 06:43.01 | Xuerian | I WANT TO BE A WARRIOR |
| 06:43.10 | Inside | A magic warrior? |
| 06:43.12 | Inside | Because.. |
| 06:43.15 | Inside | I WANT TO BE THE VERY BEST |
| 06:43.19 | Inside | THE BEST THERE EVER WAS! |
| 06:43.23 | Xuerian | They're called paladins. >_> |
| 06:43.29 | Inside | <_< yes well |
| 06:43.35 | Inside | lol ezmode |
| 06:43.37 | ZealotOnAStick | Xuerian (they can be rogues, that makes less sense?): because I wanted to finally level a warrior as the one race I didn't have something of reasonable level of. |
| 06:43.53 | ZealotOnAStick | I had an Orc warrior named Bueller I abandoned at 13, who's currently a leather repository. |
| 06:43.53 | Inside | Personally, as a paladin, I don't see what's so special |
| 06:44.05 | Inside | OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH, Look at me, I can bubble once every 4 minutes. |
| 06:44.14 | Inside | Ooooooooh once every 40 minutes I can heal myself to full and get 550 mana |
| 06:44.30 | Inside | ooooooh, I can heal ~5 times before I run out of mana. |
| 06:44.54 | Xuerian | Inside: That's just making up for the "Ooooh I can heal (inf) times before I run out of mana" that they used to be XD |
| 06:45.11 | Inside | ALL I WANT TO DO IS MELT PEOPLE'S FACES ;_; |
| 06:45.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | holy light is only 550 mana |
| 06:45.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | ? |
| 06:45.23 | Inside | Yeah well |
| 06:45.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | damn that's cheap |
| 06:45.28 | Inside | I have about 2700 mana at 58 |
| 06:45.39 | Inside | It only does 1100-1400 mana back |
| 06:46.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | regrowth is 880 and healing touch is 800 :x |
| 06:46.13 | Inside | Well, I'm a damn fine tank, I'll say. |
| 06:46.19 | Inside | really like the new changes to protection. |
| 06:46.28 | ZealotOnAStick | what you have at 58 vs. what you'd have with raid buffs and even moderate raid gear are entirely different things. |
| 06:46.39 | Inside | That's true but still. |
| 06:46.49 | Inside | Look, i can heal 8 times for 25000 |
| 06:46.53 | Inside | 2500* |
| 06:46.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | most pallies i know have about 6000 mana and really nice hybrid stats |
| 06:47.19 | Inside | Hmmm, 6000 mana, how is that possible? That's like +250 int |
| 06:47.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | i can heal 4 times for 2600 at 60 :x |
| 06:47.27 | Industrial | yeah pallies arent fun |
| 06:47.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | but that's in cat gear |
| 06:47.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've got uh |
| 06:47.44 | Industrial | I run from paladins. |
| 06:47.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | 9600 or so mana raid buffed though |
| 06:47.47 | Industrial | :P |
| 06:47.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | in healbot gear |
| 06:48.02 | Mike-N-Go | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:48.05 | ZealotOnAStick | 6k mana is 400 int, not taking into account base mana pool. |
| 06:48.29 | ZealotOnAStick | I don't know what L60 paladin base mana pool is. |
| 06:48.45 | ZealotOnAStick | nor do I know what their base int is at 60. |
| 06:49.02 | ZealotOnAStick | say combined it's half, that's 200 int from gear/buffs. |
| 06:49.19 | ZealotOnAStick | ~70 from mage/druid, add in BoKings . . . . |
| 06:49.39 | ZealotOnAStick | 100 int from gear on a raiding healer/hybrid, easily done. |
| 06:49.49 | Inside | Hmm |
| 06:49.54 | Inside | My WoW is gonna run out on the 24th |
| 06:50.03 | Inside | I don't know whether I want to get a new card or not to keep playing. |
| 06:50.14 | Inside | I have this horribly burning desire to finish off my program |
| 06:50.18 | Inside | that I've been working on since july.. |
| 06:50.58 | Xuerian | Quit wow. Finish program. Get a life. |
| 06:51.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | 2900 mana in kitty gear. rawr |
| 06:51.25 | Xuerian | lol, Mr_Rabies. |
| 06:51.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | +14 int purely from heart of the wild |
| 06:51.52 | Inside | I don't know what I'll do without WoW though. |
| 06:51.53 | Xuerian | <3 feral |
| 06:51.55 | Inside | :| |
| 06:51.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | 120+14 |
| 06:52.00 | Inside | I've only been playing 3 months so far.. |
| 06:52.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh wait |
| 06:52.09 | Xuerian | Inside: .... |
| 06:52.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | +14 from mark of the wild |
| 06:52.36 | Xuerian | Inside: Most of us have been playing for years. |
| 06:52.42 | Inside | >_> |
| 06:52.43 | Xuerian | Inside: Get out while you can, you fool! |
| 06:52.50 | Inside | But then |
| 06:52.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | heart of the wild is calculated after everything i guess |
| 06:52.53 | Inside | I'll just find another game ot play. |
| 06:52.59 | Inside | When I quit FFXI, I browsed forums 10 hours a day |
| 06:53.01 | Inside | then I found BF2. |
| 06:53.04 | Inside | Then I played that 10 hours a day. |
| 06:53.07 | Xuerian | GO! <Slams staff into bridge to wow >.> > |
| 06:53.10 | Inside | Then I found WoW. |
| 06:53.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | play a fun class instead |
| 06:53.23 | Inside | I'm a PC addict, I don't care what I'm doing so long as i'm at the PC. |
| 06:53.28 | Inside | Nah, it's not just being a pally. |
| 06:53.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | start up a rogue or lock like everyone else |
| 06:53.40 | Inside | It's just me seeing the whole futility of MMOs and so on =_= |
| 06:53.44 | Inside | I do have a rogue :P |
| 06:53.44 | Xuerian | Inside: Do we have a club? |
| 06:53.47 | Inside | A twink 19 rogue |
| 06:53.47 | Inside | Xd |
| 06:53.51 | Inside | club? |
| 06:54.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | i saw that futility before i was even in wow beta |
| 06:54.23 | Inside | Well, I've been seeing it for years now. |
| 06:54.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | i see the futility of trying to lead a meaningful life also |
| 06:54.28 | Xuerian | Seeing the futility of it is like staring down the oncoming train while running at it |
| 06:54.39 | Xuerian | you don't stop running = |
| 06:54.42 | Xuerian | =|* |
| 06:54.54 | Inside | I dunno, at least from FPSes you realized that you weren't gaining anything or had anything to show beyond the end of the round. |
| 06:55.13 | Inside | Except BF2 |
| 06:55.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | eh |
| 06:55.21 | Inside | In BF2 they kept all your stats =_= |
| 06:55.21 | Inside | http://bf2s.com/player/48182440/ |
| 06:55.26 | Xuerian | I remember my FPS days more fondly (At least the team focused ones, like Mechwarrior) than any mmo |
| 06:55.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | bf2 weapon unlocking sucks |
| 06:55.34 | Inside | eh |
| 06:55.38 | Inside | I didn't use any bf2 unlocks |
| 06:55.41 | Inside | except the L96a1 |
| 06:55.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | mostly since infantry is worthless as it is in bf2 |
| 06:55.51 | Inside | Nah |
| 06:55.54 | Inside | I love playing infantry |
| 06:55.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | gotta be in a vehicle to do pretty much anything |
| 06:55.57 | Inside | that or chopper piloting. |
| 06:56.02 | Inside | Until they nerfed choppers. |
| 06:56.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | what'd they do? i haven't played in months |
| 06:56.16 | Inside | Godly > less godly > HA HA I CAN KILL YOU WITH A ROCK |
| 06:56.40 | Inside | Well back in the day AA missiles couldn't kill a blackhawk (flares or whatever) and the engineers could repair the BH faster than it was taking damage. |
| 06:56.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's part of why i didn't enjoy bf2 as much as 1942 |
| 06:56.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | at least in 1942 you could take out a tank with a nice grenade or 2 |
| 06:57.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | in bf2 it's like, yeah, you see a tank or an npc and you're dead |
| 06:57.13 | Inside | Then they nerfed it so that AA missiles would almost always kill you in 3 shots and the engineers speed was cut in half or less. |
| 06:57.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | er |
| 06:57.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | apc |
| 06:57.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | wait, they nerfed engineers too? |
| 06:57.32 | Inside | Then they nerfed it so that one tank shell would take off a chopper's health by a lot. |
| 06:57.36 | Inside | Yeah, they nerfed a lot of stuff. |
| 06:57.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | engineers were the most victimized sobs ever |
| 06:57.42 | Inside | And added an infantry only mode.. |
| 06:57.45 | Inside | =_+ |
| 06:57.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | engineers are the healbots of bf2 |
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| 06:58.01 | Inside | Fond days on this one server.. 64 players and a tiny 200 m^2 area |
| 06:58.04 | Cairenn | hey s|loup |
| 06:58.11 | s|loup | hi ho |
| 06:58.14 | Inside | Would get 60+ kills in 10 minutes with maybe ~5 deaths |
| 06:58.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | HEY WHERE WERE REPAIRS *you have been removed from the squad* |
| 06:58.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | aaargh |
| 06:58.21 | Inside | XD |
| 06:58.24 | Kirov | how are the blizzard raid window popups done? |
| 06:58.28 | Xuerian | Inside: I know it may be me not playing the game, but wouldn't it make sense for a direct hit from a tank cannon shell to completely destroy a helicopter? >.> |
| 06:58.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | i go specops because they're like the druids of the wow universe :p |
| 06:58.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | okay snipers, okay at close range, and they have c4 |
| 06:59.00 | Inside | Xuerian: Not when there are 5-6 tanks that respawn every ~15 seconds when destroyed vs 1 chopper or so. |
| 06:59.11 | Inside | oh sure, a good chopper crew is unbeatable. |
| 06:59.12 | Xuerian | Inside: Point taken |
| 06:59.26 | Inside | But you need communication and well.. skills. |
| 06:59.30 | Inside | *fond days* |
| 06:59.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | game balance > reality |
| 06:59.40 | Inside | I've shot down a number of jets with a chopper :P |
| 06:59.42 | Xuerian | Like carpet bombers in T2 :3 |
| 06:59.54 | Inside | Ick, a good carpet bomber in BF2 is deadly. |
| 06:59.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | shit i took out a freaking bomber in bf1942 with a damn BAR |
| 07:00.08 | Inside | Yeah, bombers are impossible to take out in BF2. |
| 07:00.26 | Inside | well, jets in general |
| 07:00.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | just gotta keep the bullets hitting it and eventually it'll go down after 2 or 3 magazines |
| 07:00.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | not in bf2 though |
| 07:00.47 | Inside | like the J-10, can outrun any missile, has highest speed, has everything D: |
| 07:00.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | infantry is worthless against armor :[ |
| 07:01.04 | Inside | Yeah, it takes 2-5 infantry rockets to kill a tank |
| 07:01.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh i hate those assholes that camp the spawns with jets |
| 07:01.28 | Neuro | I may be a purist, but I still think Medal of Honor was the best WW2 FPS |
| 07:01.33 | Inside | but then they have a repair box + engineers standing on the tank, or multiple tanks repairing each other (repair aura ftw..?) |
| 07:01.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | i love loading up my jeep with c4 and slamming into tanks though |
| 07:01.39 | Inside | Indeed. |
| 07:01.44 | Inside | I got banned from so many servers for that. |
| 07:01.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | eh, i couldn't really get into MoH, it was waaay too slow |
| 07:02.05 | Neuro | that was the beauty of it |
| 07:02.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | and every match was a damn snipefest |
| 07:02.12 | Inside | Admin gets into a tank and sits there all game long, I C4 a jeep and jihad jeep them and a minute later see "Banned for not complying with server rules" |
| 07:02.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | because you could hit everyone cause they moved like freaking turtles |
| 07:02.21 | Inside | I can't wait for freaking ET:QW |
| 07:02.22 | Neuro | Hmm, only one map really was a snipe fest |
| 07:02.27 | Inside | but that keeps getting moved back |
| 07:02.28 | Xuerian | Rofl, Inside |
| 07:02.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | ET was a loooot more fun than any other WW2 FPS to me |
| 07:02.43 | Neuro | ET:QW? |
| 07:02.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | it was just pure fun |
| 07:02.49 | Inside | Enemy Territory quake wars. |
| 07:02.51 | Neuro | ahh |
| 07:03.00 | Inside | Supposed to be the end all be all FPS of all time *_* |
| 07:03.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | well |
| 07:03.07 | Inside | release date: DN:F |
| 07:03.08 | Neuro | I stopped playing Quake after Q2 |
| 07:03.14 | Inside | well, it's hardly quake |
| 07:03.16 | Neuro | as it was just more of the same |
| 07:03.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's more like wolfenstein enemy territory with quake storyline (ha) |
| 07:03.36 | Inside | heh |
| 07:03.43 | Neuro | that was my big problem with the futuristic FPSes |
| 07:03.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | and they borrowed(stole) a lot of stuff from Tribes |
| 07:03.55 | Neuro | all the weapons were the same |
| 07:03.56 | Inside | I have nothing wrong with that. |
| 07:04.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | including a power armor that can ski like in tribes |
| 07:04.09 | Inside | I have nothing wrong with futuristic MMOs so long as the weapons look and sound cool |
| 07:04.27 | Inside | http://www.enemyterritory.com/ |
| 07:04.36 | Neuro | they're all the same though... Chain gun, rail gun, shotgun |
| 07:04.47 | Mike-N-Go | I have a question about my addon. |
| 07:04.54 | Inside | So? |
| 07:04.56 | Neuro | sorry, this is FPS talk right now |
| 07:04.56 | Mike-N-Go | ~Mike-N-Go |
| 07:04.58 | purl | well, mike-n-go is the n00blet that could.. The author of AutoMailDirector, available on WoWI, or http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info6139-AutoMailDirector.html |
| 07:05.01 | Inside | How many kinds of weaposn are there? |
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| 07:05.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | but the developers for ET:QW say that they're interested in a Tribes mod for it, and the movement designer guy said he'll do what he can to help get it off the ground :p |
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| 07:05.26 | Inside | ^_^ |
| 07:05.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | and movement is what made tribes unique really |
| 07:05.38 | Mike-N-Go | How would I make it so the mail would que... |
| 07:05.41 | Xuerian | ooooo |
| 07:05.43 | Mike-N-Go | End of question. |
| 07:05.43 | Xuerian | wait, tribes mod? |
| 07:05.48 | Inside | hmm |
| 07:05.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | without skiing it would have been a quake clone only outdoors |
| 07:05.55 | Inside | COMING SOON ASDASDASDASD |
| 07:06.02 | Inside | Give me a date. |
| 07:06.09 | Inside | Instead of Q4 NEVER |
| 07:06.17 | Xuerian | Mr_Rabies: If they do that right, and do right what t:v so badly fucked up.... drooool. |
| 07:06.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | eh i liked T:V alright |
| 07:06.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | i thought it was more fun than Tribes 2 at release |
| 07:06.56 | Xuerian | It would've been ok if they hadn't screwed it seven ways from sunday mod-wise |
| 07:07.09 | Xuerian | The fun of t2 wasn't in base, anyway :p |
| 07:08.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | This was Tribes, before skiing (and before they had finished off weapons apparently) http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6314056686819511686&q=tribes |
| 07:10.28 | Inside | Heh |
| 07:10.41 | Inside | what's funny is that many people hail how BF2 helped a ton in squad based games. |
| 07:10.42 | Cairenn|afk | night guys |
| 07:10.47 | Inside | night |
| 07:10.48 | Inside | ! |
| 07:10.52 | Kalroth | g'night Cairy |
| 07:14.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | and this is tribes more recently: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2209926384955970402 (skip to like 4 mins in if you want to skip the intro stuff.) |
| 07:15.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | if only they made games like they used to :[ |
| 07:15.19 | ckknight | http://ace.pastey.net/3792 <-- diff of framexml |
| 07:16.49 | ckknight | anyone know about ## Interface: 20003? |
| 07:20.54 | Wobin | Cairenn|afk: Still about? |
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| 07:21.03 | Wobin | (or did I just miss you =\) |
| 07:21.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | heh skip to 9 minutes and you'll see why i think halo's MP is overrated :P |
| 07:22.12 | ckknight | http://ace.pastey.net/3793 <--- better diff |
| 07:22.49 | Inside | Holy shit |
| 07:22.52 | Inside | tribes looks intense |
| 07:23.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | most intense game i've ever played, hands down |
| 07:23.27 | Inside | Do people still play it? |
| 07:23.32 | Inside | And does it look like ass :S |
| 07:24.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh yeah definitely it looks like ass |
| 07:24.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | and a decent number of people play it |
| 07:24.16 | Wobin | hehe |
| 07:24.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | it came out the same year as half life 1 |
| 07:24.22 | Inside | drat. |
| 07:24.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's also free |
| 07:24.32 | Inside | I know that most importantly is that games are fun before pretty. |
| 07:24.40 | Inside | But playing ass ugly games still sucks. |
| 07:24.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | i think it looks better than most of the plasticy ass stuff we have out now :p |
| 07:25.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm looking at you doom 3/quake 4/farcry/prey |
| 07:26.38 | Wobin | Toy Soldiers? =) |
| 07:27.37 | Inside | oh man =_= |
| 07:27.57 | Inside | I've completely rewritten the base for my game's input system. |
| 07:28.11 | [Liquidor] | Hi everyone and good morning :) |
| 07:28.13 | Inside | Time to go change the hundred billion occurances of where input is used in my code. |
| 07:28.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | ohmahgawd |
| 07:28.32 | Inside | Hmm, 169 errors, 2 warnings, not bad ~.~ |
| 07:28.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | skip to 14:50 or so in that video @_@ holycrap |
| 07:29.07 | Inside | I'm there right now |
| 07:29.07 | Inside | daymn |
| 07:29.18 | Inside | Tribes looks fucking insane |
| 07:29.40 | [Liquidor] | ckknight: What does http://ace.pastey.net/3793 actually show? |
| 07:29.56 | [Liquidor] | I mean, the diff between 2 patches or? |
| 07:30.30 | Inside | The propelling yourself with the blast from your own weapons is INSANE |
| 07:31.15 | Inside | mid air flag hand offs as well |
| 07:31.39 | Inside | heh poor guy at 19:00 trying to snatch the flag.. |
| 07:31.53 | Xuerian | Which version of Tribes is in question? |
| 07:32.04 | ckknight | yes, [Liquidor] |
| 07:32.08 | Inside | starsiege or something? |
| 07:32.09 | Inside | i dunno |
| 07:32.10 | Inside | >_> |
| 07:32.13 | Xuerian | 1 >_> |
| 07:32.23 | [Liquidor] | ckknight: great, then I won't need TEXT() |
| 07:32.39 | ckknight | you haven't needed TEXT for a _long_ time |
| 07:32.44 | [Liquidor] | Heh |
| 07:32.57 | [Liquidor] | I haven't even looked it up on what its doing |
| 07:33.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's tribes 1, xue |
| 07:33.23 | Xuerian | Mr_Rabies: I feel bad for never having tried that. |
| 07:33.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2209926384955970402 (skip to like 4:00, 9:00, or 14:50 mins in if you want to catch the real awesome stuff) |
| 07:34.07 | Inside | Yeah |
| 07:34.09 | Inside | I feel like I missed something |
| 07:34.09 | Inside | wow. |
| 07:34.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | well watch that then download it through a link i'll give you in a few mins :p |
| 07:34.15 | Xuerian | Not gonna wait for six or so hours for it to load :P |
| 07:34.15 | Inside | It's like the passing or an era. |
| 07:34.27 | Xuerian | Indeed, Inside |
| 07:34.38 | Xuerian | Inside: Don't need to see that video to see how fun T1/2 were |
| 07:34.45 | Inside | Hmmm. |
| 07:34.51 | Inside | Anyway, back to my progrma =_= |
| 07:35.07 | Inside | How do I want to handle effing transition of input between different states? |
| 07:35.20 | Inside | I mean, a window is a window and the rendering thing is the rendering thing and the ui is the ui, |
| 07:35.36 | seebs | I don't think I understand the question. |
| 07:36.28 | Inside | Well I mean... sometimes a mouse movement is a camera rotate thing and sometimes a mouse movement is a move around the mouse cursor thing. |
| 07:36.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | hrmm |
| 07:37.00 | Inside | It's sort of a puzzle based 3d game |
| 07:37.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | garry's mod does that, you can hold C and place things in the game world with a mouse cursor and keep the camera and your character stationary |
| 07:38.08 | Xuerian | Order of processing? Sounds like you just need to decide what gets checked first and gets to change what, starting with no input at all or once things return to that state |
| 07:39.14 | Xuerian | Yeah, I'm not really making any sense. What say i make another attempt to go to sleep. :P |
| 07:39.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://files.filefront.com/Tribes+Full+Game/;3172689;;/fileinfo.html |
| 07:39.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | there ya go xue |
| 07:39.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | er |
| 07:39.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | inside |
| 07:39.59 | Xuerian | Didn't they run out of keys a long time ago? |
| 07:40.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | sorry, got mixed up :p |
| 07:40.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | t1 doesn't need keys |
| 07:40.12 | Inside | t2? |
| 07:40.15 | Xuerian | Blah |
| 07:40.20 | Xuerian | Well eh |
| 07:41.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | sierra released tribes 1 and 2 for free to help advertise Tribes Vengeance |
| 07:41.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | turns out more people play T1 than T:V |
| 07:41.53 | Xuerian | It's the century of bad sequels =| |
| 07:41.56 | Inside | ^_^ |
| 07:42.12 | Inside | Hmmm.. I suppose I'll need some sort of an input "layer" thing.. like pressing escape makes you go up a layer .. |
| 07:42.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | eh v was a better sequel game wise than T2, in my opinion, but having to use unrealED sucks :[ |
| 07:43.14 | Xuerian | T:V was cool with the ragdoll physics and nice graphics... Just limited itself to a cheap unreal knockoff because of the editor/modpack fuckups |
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| 07:45.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | i even liked the grabbler |
| 07:45.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | it made up for the limitations on control in skiing |
| 07:46.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | and they were | | this close to adding more control to skiing before vivendi stopped support |
| 07:46.39 | Xuerian | The grabber was really cool |
| 07:47.17 | Xuerian | I can't count the times I played the demo on the caves map and tried to see how many times I could win against the bots (that mysteriously weren't in the released game) without touching the ground |
| 07:48.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | i could move faster in T:V than T1 |
| 07:48.34 | Xuerian | easily |
| 07:48.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | and with similar control due to the grappler |
| 07:48.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | i could cap the flag in emerald in literally about 6 seconds |
| 07:49.06 | Xuerian | lol. |
| 07:49.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | do a slingshot grapple into a jet, into a ski, grapple the lightpost near the flag and slingshot back |
| 07:50.22 | Xuerian | It had so much possibility for fun =(... The publishers are really shooting themselves in the foot. Vivendi nerfing patches on T:V, and now Atari limiting NWN2 to 3 patches |
| 07:50.49 | ZealotOnAStick | do what now on NWN2? |
| 07:51.36 | Xuerian | From what I've heard, Atari is limiting Obsidian to three supported patches (Two of which have been released).... While I kindof doubt it, I wouldn't be shocked if they have |
| 07:51.58 | ZealotOnAStick | What the hell . . . |
| 07:52.18 | Xuerian | Three patches can't make up for a full year (they wanted fall 07 release) lack development time =(( |
| 07:52.45 | ZealotOnAStick | that seems to be pretty idiotic. |
| 07:53.27 | Xuerian | It's what games seem to be like anymore, on a large scale. Rush the game, patch critical bugs, abandon it |
| 07:53.49 | Neuro | Amazingly, the one company that bucks the trend is the one company with a perfect track record |
| 07:54.07 | Xuerian | Which? |
| 07:54.11 | Neuro | Blizzard |
| 07:54.34 | Xuerian | Heh. |
| 07:54.35 | Neuro | every Blizzard game to date has been an unqualified success |
| 07:54.35 | Xuerian | True. |
| 07:54.41 | Neuro | because they don't skimp on the in-house testing |
| 07:54.54 | ZealotOnAStick | ahahaha. |
| 07:54.57 | ZealotOnAStick | Oh, you had me there. |
| 07:55.00 | ZealotOnAStick | That was funny. |
| 07:55.06 | Xuerian | And certain development studios have also been doing very well. Like Bioware, or ... I can't think of it, the devs of Unreal |
| 07:55.15 | ZealotOnAStick | Everything except the not skimping on in-house testing. |
| 07:55.20 | Neuro | They don't |
| 07:55.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | god i hate vivendi |
| 07:55.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | wow's the one thing keeping them from falling apart entirely from all these freaking stupid decisions |
| 07:55.47 | Neuro | If you think Blizzard releases buggy code, go look at Sony's track record |
| 07:55.50 | Xuerian | Vivendi ruined both the tribes and homeworld franchises =| |
| 07:56.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | poor marweas |
| 07:56.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | :[ |
| 07:56.35 | ZealotOnAStick | That's hardly a valuable comparison. |
| 07:56.42 | Neuro | If WOW were run by Sony, TBC would have been released last week |
| 07:56.51 | Neuro | regardless of completeness |
| 07:56.58 | Neuro | sure it is |
| 07:57.02 | ZealotOnAStick | SOE's track record is one shitstain after another. |
| 07:57.03 | ckknight | you're probably right, Neuro |
| 07:57.16 | Xuerian | ZealotOnAStick: They may skimp on testing according to your standards, but they only recently seem to have stopped patching WC3. And I have no doubt they're still making money off of it. Something that companies like vivendi aren't doing |
| 07:57.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | <Neuro> If WOW were run by Sony, TBC would have been released march '05 |
| 07:57.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | fixed |
| 07:57.30 | Neuro | Zealot, who else can you compare it to? Sony, NCSoft, and EA are the only ones making huge MMOs |
| 07:57.34 | ZealotOnAStick | but Blizzard's results on WoW, quality wise (not financially, anything Blizzard is marked for success) compared to some of their previous projects, is another matter. |
| 07:57.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | and it would probably be as big as the content patch released closest to march '05 |
| 07:57.59 | Neuro | dude, WoW's quality is above and beyond any other game's |
| 07:58.02 | ZealotOnAStick | The only good comparison for WoW IMO would be Cryptic's portion of NCSoft. |
| 07:58.05 | abug | sony just gave all everquest accounts like 30 days play time, they're hurting for business |
| 07:58.09 | ZealotOnAStick | The City Of . . . games. |
| 07:58.31 | Neuro | City of Heroes was a fairly solid release, yes |
| 07:58.32 | ZealotOnAStick | NCSoft itself is too broad a category - Vivendi ~ NCSoft would be a better comparison |
| 07:58.43 | Neuro | true |
| 07:58.46 | ZealotOnAStick | Blizzard ~ Cryptic |
| 07:58.57 | Neuro | SoE is a better term than Sony, then |
| 07:59.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | City of Giraffes would be a fantastic expansion/side project for cryptic |
| 07:59.37 | ZealotOnAStick | (notice I used SOE above) |
| 07:59.46 | Neuro | but for the amount of time invested vs code bugginess, Blizzard is great |
| 08:00.05 | ZealotOnAStick | Every other patch seems to be tolerable. |
| 08:00.10 | Inside | Hmm. |
| 08:00.22 | Neuro | bugs happen, that's a fact of life |
| 08:00.45 | ZealotOnAStick | Once again, with 2.0.1, some really basic stuff that shouldn't have slipped through . . . stuff that was obvious VERY quickly that users had to point out and Blue Staff was "huh? Oh, uh . . ." |
| 08:00.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | urmomdoeslol |
| 08:00.52 | ZealotOnAStick | like the massive raid lag/click noise thing. |
| 08:00.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | too much barrens chat |
| 08:01.04 | Neuro | that's a content issue, not a code issue |
| 08:01.04 | Inside | heh |
| 08:01.09 | Inside | /2 is the new /5 |
| 08:01.09 | Inside | >_> |
| 08:01.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | i love it |
| 08:01.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | i loved the old lfg too |
| 08:01.30 | Inside | I loved the old lfg too |
| 08:01.35 | Inside | unfortunately not /2 is pretty limited. |
| 08:01.37 | Neuro | they definately need an /ooc channel that is global |
| 08:01.38 | Inside | s/not/now |
| 08:01.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | i go to barrens occasionally just to contribute to the insanity that is crazy barens chat |
| 08:01.42 | Neuro | something I can turn off |
| 08:01.43 | Inside | Oh definatelly. |
| 08:02.18 | abug | people wouldn't chat so much if they had stuff to do |
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| 08:02.28 | Neuro | "Barrens Chat... you will never find a more wretched hive of dumb and stupidity..." |
| 08:02.36 | ZealotOnAStick | Oh, I dunno. |
| 08:02.43 | Xuerian | Except possibly, Goldshire. |
| 08:02.56 | ZealotOnAStick | I'm dreading both Hellfire Peninsula in a month . . . and probably Silvermoon and its surrounds. |
| 08:03.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | or the deeprun tram |
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| 08:03.21 | Xuerian | Mr_Rabies: Deeprun is merely the stage for some of the more exceptional Goldshire dramas :P |
| 08:03.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | nothing like wandering into poorly spelled cybering to ruin a perfectly good day |
| 08:03.54 | abug | don't forget your dwarven hand cannon |
| 08:03.55 | Xuerian | Ahhh, it's great when it's done in full /em's in range of the AH |
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| 08:06.05 | Inside | struct Input |
| 08:06.05 | Inside | { |
| 08:06.05 | Inside | }; |
| 08:06.08 | Inside | oops. |
| 08:06.48 | abug | I'm in your code, eating your loops |
| 08:06.58 | Inside | noooo |
| 08:07.01 | Inside | I need my loops. |
| 08:07.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | follow my nooooose |
| 08:07.18 | Wobin | dd |
| 08:07.19 | bleetah | nop'ping your logic |
| 08:07.27 | Inside | Oi vei, what to do, what to do |
| 08:07.28 | Inside | =_= |
| 08:07.45 | Inside | so I have two maps inside of my input um.. handling class. |
| 08:08.58 | Inside | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:13.29 | Inside | So with a camera, I register mouse_move_left and left_key both to camera_rotate_to_left which then updates the camera's position. Then if I press escape, it unregisters mouse move left/left_key as moving the camera and instead registers it to gui_move_left.. or something *smacks himself* |
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| 08:27.28 | Iriel | New DevTools up on WoWInterface, for anyone who cares |
| 08:28.25 | Elkano | Iriel, any way to scale them? at min ui scale the event tracker is hardly readable |
| 08:28.59 | Iriel | Elkano: Edit the code? 8-) |
| 08:29.19 | Iriel | Elkano: Seriously though, there will likely be, eventually, just not yet |
| 08:29.24 | Elkano | that's how I did it on the first TBC version ^^ |
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| 08:31.30 | Iriel | Elkano: You're not helped by me running at 1920 x 1200 |
| 08:31.33 | Elkano | oh and in the first tbc version there was a bug with disabling some events in the tracker where disableing the parent didn't disable some childs's childs correctly |
| 08:31.51 | Elkano | well, I run on 1280x800 at min scale ^^ |
| 08:32.07 | Iriel | I just re-worked the whole options panel |
| 08:32.10 | Iriel | it should work just fine now |
| 08:32.34 | Kirov | All my beautiful code... gone! ... *cheers* |
| 08:32.45 | Iriel | Note that you can CTRL-click an event, and CTRL/ALT/SHIFT click the header bars |
| 08:32.58 | Iriel | Kirov: You'd be surprised how much survived, plus I stole most of your ideas 8-) |
| 08:33.04 | Kirov | heh |
| 08:34.11 | Iriel | Coming soon -- named event trace windows with saved filters. |
| 08:34.29 | Iriel | but not tonight |
| 08:34.31 | Iriel | bye all! |
| 08:34.44 | krka | bye iriel |
| 08:35.06 | xgravix | sleep is a poor substitute for caffeine |
| 08:35.31 | Kalroth | I missed DevTools! |
| 08:36.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | honk |
| 08:37.05 | abug | I take a /dump every time I get on |
| 08:37.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | mmm |
| 08:42.25 | Kirov | lol |
| 08:42.47 | Kirov | "UNIT_SPELLCAST_SUCCEEDED" arg1="player" arg2="LOGINEFFECT" |
| 08:43.43 | Kirov | still needs mouse wheel scroll |
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| 08:51.10 | Inside | okay |
| 08:51.11 | Inside | <_< |
| 08:51.13 | Inside | So I played a bit of tribes. |
| 08:51.14 | Inside | asdfasdfadsf |
| 08:51.18 | Inside | it looks fugly. |
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| 09:13.21 | Osagasu | So, uhm |
| 09:13.37 | Osagasu | Is there a strat on how to kill the last boss in the ramparts? |
| 09:13.42 | Osagasu | He's a real bitch. :< |
| 09:14.11 | ZealotOnAStick | Stay at effing range if you're not the tank, and don't cluster. |
| 09:15.56 | ZealotOnAStick | axxo, are you any relation (or the same individual) as the axxo of some movie torrent fame? |
| 09:17.20 | axxo | nope |
| 09:17.26 | axxo | bastard stole my name :( |
| 09:17.55 | Wobin | Zealot rarely has that problem, I'm sure =P |
| 09:18.24 | axxo | he actually contacted me a few weeks ago on irc |
| 09:18.30 | axxo | and we worked out i have been using it longer :) |
| 09:18.40 | Wobin | hah |
| 09:18.42 | Wobin | prior claim =) |
| 09:18.43 | axxo | but hes famousie and i'm not :( |
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| 09:22.46 | ZealotOnAStick | Yay! Good news on two fronts. |
| 09:23.01 | ZealotOnAStick | Hogfather part 2 finished the download, and I found my Pirates of the Burning Sea beta key. |
| 09:26.46 | krka | i started watching hogfather 1, but i got bored |
| 09:26.53 | krka | that rarely happens when i watch stuff :( |
| 09:28.36 | Neuro | do I dare ask what hogfather is? |
| 09:30.32 | ZealotOnAStick | Terry Pratchett Discworld book. |
| 09:30.37 | ZealotOnAStick | Which Sky One turned into a live action movie. |
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| 09:33.22 | Neuro | ahh |
| 09:33.35 | Neuro | not a huge fan of discworld... though Good Omens was quite enjoyable |
| 09:37.06 | Corrodias | monkey |
| 09:37.07 | Corrodias | MONKEY MONKEY |
| 09:38.37 | krka | discworld is overrated, imho |
| 09:42.04 | Mikma | wereHamster: http://wow.reaktio.net/Mikma |
| 09:43.21 | Corrodias | i'm afraid i don't know of its reputation. i just read the books. |
| 09:43.33 | Corrodias | some are better than others |
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| 09:46.51 | wereHamster | Mikma, thanks |
| 09:51.58 | MoonWolf | the hogfather movie is rather good. |
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| 10:03.42 | krka | i suspect you need to familiar with discworld to like the hogfather movie |
| 10:03.57 | Neuro | I should inflict magical trevor on everyone |
| 10:04.06 | Neuro | http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/magical+trevor/ |
| 10:05.32 | zenzelezz | so, I just cleaned my monitors and afterwards I noticed something highly disturbing... Michael Jackson is white o_O |
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| 10:20.02 | Neuro | michael jackson is proof of the amazingness of America |
| 10:20.15 | Neuro | Where else can a poor black boy grow up to be a rich white woman? |
| 10:37.30 | phreaky | Neuro: lol |
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| 10:38.33 | |stefan| | lu =) |
| 10:38.49 | |stefan| | anyone got a code example for a color picker ? =) |
| 10:43.39 | Neuro | colorpickerframe |
| 10:43.43 | Neuro | it's built into wow |
| 10:44.10 | Neuro | http://www.wowwiki.com/HOWTO:_Use_the_ColorPickerFrame |
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| 11:33.52 | Kirkburn | Lol - note the disclaimer on the left column of this website (just after the 'EW' image) =D http://www.derbyshireguide.co.uk/ |
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| 11:41.18 | AnduinLothar | lol @kirk |
| 11:41.25 | AnduinLothar | nice find |
| 11:45.57 | Elkano | !First I'm going to kill YOU. Then I'll kill your family, your frinds and the friends of your friends. I'll kill everyone knowing your name such that noone will ever remember your existance." |
| 11:47.22 | AnduinLothar | hmmm, what Ace2 addon is printing ADDON_ACTION_BLOCKED events and stack traces to the chat log? |
| 11:48.16 | AnduinLothar | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5294-DamageMeters.html |
| 11:49.44 | AnduinLothar | Caused for some reason by /script DropDownList1:SetClampedToScreen(1);DropDownList2:SetClampedToScreen(1); |
| 11:50.06 | AnduinLothar | which is the only difference in 5.5.3 |
| 11:50.44 | AnduinLothar | altho I'm pretty sure they're lying and downgraded to 5.5.1 and not 5.5.2 |
| 11:50.52 | AnduinLothar | since 5.5.2 isn't uploaded |
| 11:51.37 | ZealotOnAStick | I had major issues with my FPS dropping to unplayable levels in Naxx last night, but only with DM visible on screen during combat. If I had it hidden, it was fine. |
| 11:51.56 | ZealotOnAStick | Dunno if that's of any help or not. |
| 11:52.09 | AnduinLothar | not much |
| 11:52.21 | AnduinLothar | do you have any ace addons? |
| 11:52.32 | ZealotOnAStick | Quite a lot. |
| 11:54.28 | AnduinLothar | hmm, i did zg and didn't notice a problem, but then i guess i might not notice anything with on my new compy unless I had fps showing |
| 11:55.10 | AnduinLothar | this is retarted tho: "ADDON_ACTION_BLOCKED:AddOn 'Ace2' tried to call the protected function 'DamageMetersFrameBar1:Show()'." |
| 11:55.22 | AnduinLothar | DamageMetersFrameBar1 is a TextStatusBar |
| 11:55.46 | AnduinLothar | why on earth would it be protected |
| 11:56.01 | AnduinLothar | it doesn't even have an OnClick |
| 11:56.03 | ZealotOnAStick | My raiding machine is fairly stout. Athlon 64 X2 4400, 2GB matched hi-perf ram, 10k rpm 12MB cache dual gaming HDs in RAID-0, dual 7800GTXs in SLI . . . |
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| 11:56.38 | ZealotOnAStick | I didn't find any errors thrown, it just made my FPS about . . . 2. Hid it, and all was well. |
| 11:57.24 | AnduinLothar | duel core duel xeon 2.66 radeon X1900 2gb dd2 here... and i didn't notice a thing... but I dont run any ace addons |
| 11:58.16 | AnduinLothar | however, I would imagine if you upped the range with the new option and have ParserLib running.... it might cause a problem |
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| 11:58.36 | AnduinLothar | did you enable the new chatlog range option? |
| 11:58.55 | VoidRaider | Anyone knows something about the Keylogger in Worldofwar ? |
| 11:58.58 | ZealotOnAStick | In DM? If it's not enabled by default, probably not. |
| 11:59.20 | ZealotOnAStick | Would that still explain it only happening when it's shown? |
| 11:59.35 | AnduinLothar | were you in minimized mode maximized or normal? |
| 12:01.09 | ZealotOnAStick | maximized windowed |
| 12:01.30 | AnduinLothar | windowed? |
| 12:01.33 | ZealotOnAStick | 1600x1200, desktop at same res |
| 12:01.37 | AnduinLothar | no no |
| 12:01.39 | AnduinLothar | DM |
| 12:02.06 | ZealotOnAStick | display or parsing options? |
| 12:02.11 | AnduinLothar | has a minimized that only shows you and an option to always show all 40 bars |
| 12:02.28 | ZealotOnAStick | all 40. |
| 12:02.47 | AnduinLothar | that might explain it |
| 12:02.49 | ZealotOnAStick | generally keep it hidden, they just pulled a little earlier than I expected and still had it visible. |
| 12:03.17 | AnduinLothar | do you have it parsing yours or everyone's events? |
| 12:03.27 | ZealotOnAStick | parse my own events, not others. |
| 12:03.31 | AnduinLothar | k |
| 12:03.45 | AnduinLothar | i'll test it, might just be maximized mode is fubared |
| 12:06.16 | Kalroth | "*Fixed Auto Shot and Auto Wand being counted as separate listings from the person that cast them" |
| 12:06.17 | Kalroth | :D |
| 12:06.20 | Kalroth | Finally! |
| 12:06.31 | Kalroth | I tried SWStats, but it's horrible >< |
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| 12:16.38 | AnduinLothar | well, no performance drop soloing mobs in maximized |
| 12:17.05 | AnduinLothar | ill try av |
| 12:18.41 | AnduinLothar | tho i can understand perfornace drops on nef.. |
| 12:19.31 | AnduinLothar | oh wait... |
| 12:19.37 | AnduinLothar | i have an idea |
| 12:20.18 | AnduinLothar | nope.. that's not it |
| 12:20.54 | AnduinLothar | ahhhh |
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| 12:21.33 | AnduinLothar | yeah, some ace addon must have registered ADDON_ACTION_BLOCKED, which is causing the lag |
| 12:21.45 | AnduinLothar | but it is DM that's causing the event to fire |
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| 12:22.13 | AnduinLothar | the lag isn't very noticable without it registered tho |
| 12:23.10 | AnduinLothar | I have a fix, you wanna test it for me in AV ZealotOnAStick? |
| 12:23.50 | MoonWolf | i know bugsack does stuff with ADDON_ACTION_BLOCKED. |
| 12:24.23 | [Ammo] | yeah it does, and it hides the popup as well |
| 12:24.26 | [Ammo] | which probably causes the lag |
| 12:24.29 | ZealotOnAStick | I could in about ~10 minutes, I have to finish some remote backup stuff I'm doing. |
| 12:25.19 | ZealotOnAStick | mostly waiting on it, really, but the VNC client is a bit of a resource hog. |
| 12:26.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | AL, i know you're mostly working on sorting out bugs for cosmos, but have you ever thought about adding a modifier key to items that says what wardrobe outfits they're part of? :O |
| 12:27.18 | AnduinLothar | ? |
| 12:27.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | like |
| 12:27.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | hold, say, ctrl over an item and its tooltip has like <Outfits: Cat Gear, Bear Gear> on it |
| 12:28.41 | AnduinLothar | why? |
| 12:28.53 | [Ammo] | probably so people don't destroy gear they use :) |
| 12:28.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | cause my inventory is loaded with tons of items with similar icons and occasionally trash gets mixed in with my good gear and i keep trash in there for weeks until i decide it's time to clean things up :P |
| 12:29.12 | AnduinLothar | learn to organize |
| 12:29.29 | AnduinLothar | code it up, i'll put it in the next one |
| 12:29.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | if only i could :[ |
| 12:29.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | seriously, i'd love to learn lua so i could stop bitching at people for bugfixes/feature requests |
| 12:30.21 | MoonWolf | well, go do it then. |
| 12:30.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | but i'm not very programmatically inclined, i'm good at finding bugs but not fixing them :P |
| 12:31.48 | MoonWolf | guess what the largest part of coding something is ? |
| 12:32.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | but if you're not interested in doing that, i understand, just thought i'd run it by you |
| 12:32.21 | AnduinLothar | time.. |
| 12:32.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | or even adding like a little color border to the outfit's color for the item's icon or something, hell i dunno :P |
| 12:33.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | It's cool, i understand :P i need to get down and learn how to do these things eventually |
| 12:33.44 | clad|sleep | someone go to work for me today |
| 12:33.45 | clad|sleep | i'm tired. |
| 12:33.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | gief tp ploz |
| 12:34.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | like i understand how to do some things, but I don't get the whole event registration, xml creation, etc aspect of addon making |
| 12:35.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | i can do alot of function copying/pasting and stuff until i get something working probably, but actually getting it working ingame is another story |
| 12:35.55 | ZealotOnAStick | ok, still want me to give that a test in AV? |
| 12:36.05 | AnduinLothar | yeah, sec |
| 12:37.02 | AnduinLothar | can you accept dcc? |
| 12:37.29 | ZealotOnAStick | Dunno. I had trouble sending before, but I haven't tried receiving recently. |
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| 12:46.13 | ZealotOnAStick | ok. Getting ADDON_ACTION_BLOCKED being called on DamageMetersFrameBar33:Show() . . . and looks like about all the other frame bars. More to the error output than that, but on my other comp, I'd have to save the info and relog to get you a text output. |
| 12:46.45 | ZealotOnAStick | and definite pausing/hitching when it happens. |
| 12:47.02 | ZealotOnAStick | though I had to give it a bit to make sure it wasn't just the BG sucking. |
| 12:47.57 | AnduinLothar | so odd.. |
| 12:48.49 | AnduinLothar | you can just reloadui to stip to SV |
| 12:48.53 | AnduinLothar | spit* |
| 12:48.53 | ZealotOnAStick | seems to happen every time the OnValueChanged happens. |
| 12:49.00 | Roladon | Isnt there a GetUnitid()? |
| 12:49.09 | AnduinLothar | no |
| 12:49.18 | Roladon | or something to return who you are targeting |
| 12:49.25 | AnduinLothar | 'target' |
| 12:49.33 | Roladon | i cant find it on WoWWikki |
| 12:49.43 | AnduinLothar | 'target' IS the target's unitid |
| 12:49.47 | Roladon | global var? |
| 12:49.52 | AnduinLothar | no.... unitid |
| 12:50.04 | Roladon | >.< confused |
| 12:50.09 | Roladon | its too early |
| 12:50.24 | AnduinLothar | http://www.wowwiki.com/UnitId |
| 12:51.35 | Roladon | thaks :-) |
| 12:51.38 | ZealotOnAStick | Trying to send you the buggrabber sv. |
| 12:52.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | hrmmmm, how do i macro a left click on a button to cast Rockbiter on my Main Hand, right click to my offhand? |
| 12:52.03 | AnduinLothar | set your dcc on passive or open the ports |
| 12:52.03 | ZealotOnAStick | if my DCC send doesn't want to work, I can toss it up on my site quickly. |
| 12:52.10 | Roladon | I know C++ so I can get the basic syntax of LUA but am still learning. I have no grasp of the WoW API though |
| 12:52.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | i guess Target=Off Hand doesn't work :/ |
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| 12:53.32 | ZealotOnAStick | I could get you more than 100 if you'd like, but I suspect it'd all be more of the same. |
| 12:53.49 | Roladon | so lets say i wanted to see if my current target was roladon |
| 12:54.03 | AnduinLothar | UnitName('target') |
| 12:54.04 | Roladon | the statement would be if (target == "Roladon") then .... |
| 12:54.11 | Roladon | oh, ok |
| 12:55.27 | AnduinLothar | ZealotOnAStick: those are RaidFrame.lua errors |
| 12:55.45 | s|loup | try /cast Rockbiter |
| 12:55.51 | AnduinLothar | and a couple GridLayout.lua |
| 12:55.59 | s|loup | and /use [button:1] Name of the Main Hand |
| 12:56.06 | ZealotOnAStick | Hrm. |
| 12:56.11 | ZealotOnAStick | Then it didn't save the right data. |
| 12:56.16 | s|loup | and /use [button:2] Name of the off hand |
| 12:56.52 | AnduinLothar | or use the inv slot id's |
| 12:57.19 | s|loup | yes should also work |
| 12:57.27 | AnduinLothar | 16 is main |
| 12:57.30 | AnduinLothar | 17 oh |
| 12:57.53 | AnduinLothar | I <3 this macro: |
| 12:57.55 | AnduinLothar | #Dense Sharpening Stone |
| 12:58.08 | AnduinLothar | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:58.08 | AnduinLothar | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:58.46 | zenzelezz | what does the #-line do, decide the tooltip? |
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| 12:58.53 | MoonWolf | comment ? |
| 12:58.53 | ZealotOnAStick | Sorry, try this one . . . |
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| 12:59.08 | AnduinLothar | quantity indicator |
| 12:59.39 | zenzelezz | oh, it makes the icon show the number you have of the specified item? |
| 12:59.42 | AnduinLothar | ya |
| 12:59.49 | zenzelezz | awesome :) |
| 12:59.55 | AnduinLothar | and greys out if 0 |
| 13:00.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | nope, AL |
| 13:00.03 | [Liquidor] | HI ! |
| 13:00.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | it casts Rockbiter on my mainhand regardless |
| 13:00.18 | zenzelezz | I have to hand it to them, this new macro stuff really rocks |
| 13:01.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | cause rockbiter doesn't seem to bring up the little highlighty glove unless i don't have rockbiter on a weapon |
| 13:01.21 | AnduinLothar | it autocasts? |
| 13:01.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | i guess? i have auto self cast on |
| 13:01.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | er |
| 13:01.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | off |
| 13:01.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | cause i thought that was what was making the little highlighty hand not show up |
| 13:02.04 | AnduinLothar | i have no idea how rockbiter works |
| 13:02.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | if there's no weapon enchant up, or one other than rockbiter |
| 13:02.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | it acts just like a poison |
| 13:03.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | but if a rockbiter is up it autocasts on the one that's up, or main hand if both are up |
| 13:03.21 | AnduinLothar | so.... why do you need a macro to do just the oh? |
| 13:03.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | which is really dumb O_o |
| 13:04.02 | AnduinLothar | sounds like the mechanics of the spell then, not much you can do about it |
| 13:04.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | cause unless i swap my main hand out of my invo then put my offhand in my main hand i can't get 2x of one enchant up |
| 13:04.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | i thought maybe a macro could bypass that but apparently not |
| 13:04.34 | AnduinLothar | you could swap them, but you'd have to wait till the next Inventory update event |
| 13:04.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's a pretty lame spell mechanic though |
| 13:05.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | wonder if its any different in beta |
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| 13:08.51 | ZealotOnAStick | all right, off for my "day job" |
| 13:10.35 | AnduinLothar | oh odd, don't need the # thing anymore |
| 13:10.44 | AnduinLothar | if you do /use it does it automaticly |
| 13:10.50 | AnduinLothar | musta only been in beta |
| 13:20.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh man |
| 13:20.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | duel wielding in ghost wolf |
| 13:20.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | = lols |
| 13:21.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | ha unleashed rage pops in gwolf |
| 13:21.06 | s|loup | hunters lookout: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJgisMLEALs |
| 13:22.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | that should be the be female aimed shot animation |
| 13:23.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | and the foot one the NE male one |
| 13:23.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | just because it looks so freakin stupid |
| 13:25.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | i wonder what the draw weight on that bow is |
| 13:30.15 | AnduinLothar | it's really hard to gague performance issues on my new computer.. |
| 13:30.48 | AnduinLothar | cause even with BugSack installed and it spammign errors I still only lose 5 fps |
| 13:30.56 | AnduinLothar | down to 55 in combat.. |
| 13:33.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | go into AV and install all of cosmos, ctmod, nurfed, insomniax, and the entire Ace SVN and check your FPS |
| 13:33.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh and lootlink and scan the AH 40 or 50 times |
| 13:34.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | er do AV after all of that |
| 13:34.14 | Dhraga | anyone that could take a peek in this code http://pastey.net/3802 for two things if possible... it's the GFWTrackMenu |
| 13:34.16 | Dhraga | 1. how to change it to only show the tracking menu when clicked on instead of on mouseover. ? |
| 13:34.17 | Dhraga | 2. it gets the following error sometimes during combat... |
| 13:34.19 | Dhraga | "ADDON_ACTION_BLOCKED:AddOn 'GFW_TrackMenu' tried to call the protected function '<unnamed>:SetAttribute()'./nGFW_TrackMenu//TrackMenu.lua:112: in function `FTM_BuildFrames'/nGFW_TrackMenu//TrackMenu.lua:135: in function <Interface//AddOns//GFW_TrackMenu//TrackMenu.lua:133>" |
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| 13:35.50 | foxlit | 2: Check for InCombatLockdown() before performing :SetAttribute() |
| 13:36.52 | Dhraga | foxlit, great :) |
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| 13:38.57 | Kiphere|Work | shibby |
| 13:40.01 | foxlit | Not sure about 1; I'd guess you have to use something other than SecureAnchorEnterTemplate |
| 13:40.55 | foxlit | Perhaps SecureAnchorButtonTemplate or something. Haven't messed with securestateheaders yet |
| 13:42.43 | Dhraga | okies foxlit, most kind of you to take the time to check :D |
| 13:42.44 | Dhraga | I altered the set:Attribute function to this... is it correctly done ? |
| 13:42.46 | Dhraga | if (#FTM_MyTrackSpells > 0) and (not InCombatLockdown()) then |
| 13:42.47 | Dhraga | root:SetAttribute("state", 1); |
| 13:42.49 | Dhraga | end |
| 13:43.31 | foxlit | If that runs, sure. |
| 13:44.20 | foxlit | Yes, it is. |
| 13:44.23 | Dhraga | Hmmm.... or should it be like this... with a () around all ? |
| 13:44.25 | Dhraga | if ((#FTM_MyTrackSpells > 0) and (not InCombatLockdown())) then |
| 13:44.27 | Dhraga | root:SetAttribute("state", 1); |
| 13:44.28 | Dhraga | end |
| 13:44.36 | foxlit | if exp then block {elseif exp then block} [else block] end |
| 13:45.10 | foxlit | LUA manual says that you don't need () around the whole expression. If you want to, you can add them for cosmetic reasons |
| 13:45.26 | foxlit | if #FTM_MyTrackSpells > 0 and not InCombatLockdown() then |
| 13:45.29 | foxlit | should work just as well |
| 13:46.29 | Dhraga | ok great, most kind foxlit, I'll test if it works ok, and If it does I'll post it in the comments under the gfwtrackmenu with credits to you, if thats ok ? |
| 13:47.27 | foxlit | Don't worry about it, really. If we all credited everyone with every suggestion made here, the length of the comments would exceed the length of the actual code :) |
| 13:47.47 | foxlit | Feel free to, but you aren't in any way required to do it. |
| 13:48.08 | Dhraga | lol, most kind of you to take your time mate, I'll post it if it gets the job done =) |
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| 13:52.57 | zenzelezz | there's something stupid going on somewhere between my ISP and the server I cleverly chose to roll an alt on >:| |
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| 13:56.40 | Kiphere|Work | morning again, work sucks, afk >< |
| 13:57.08 | AnduinLothar | i HATE curse's new addon download file names... just like ui.wow |
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| 13:57.17 | AnduinLothar | didn't anyone tell them that random #'s suck? |
| 13:58.11 | AnduinLothar | come on, they can make nice urls but they have to have evil file names that don't rename themselves right out of the database? |
| 13:59.14 | sysrage | i like it. keeps different versions from overwriting eachother |
| 13:59.57 | AnduinLothar | so tell the author to put a version # in their title |
| 14:00.09 | AnduinLothar | or heck, curse could do that auto |
| 14:00.39 | sysrage | i'd rather tell you to deal with it since you're the only one i've ever seen complain. why does it matter? |
| 14:01.11 | AnduinLothar | because it's fuckign anoying to find alphabeticly |
| 14:01.25 | [Cu]Werik | It will change. Those numbers are there because the multi server propagation didnt make it for live |
| 14:01.42 | AnduinLothar | and i've whined publicly about how ui.wow does it numerous times |
| 14:02.01 | [Cu]Werik | and since we can't change the file names without taking down the mirror, it will stay until the system is done |
| 14:02.38 | AnduinLothar | are they stored in a database or as actual files? |
| 14:03.02 | [Cu]Werik | obviously, they are stored as files;) |
| 14:03.24 | AnduinLothar | and they aren't in like subfolders? |
| 14:03.55 | [Cu]Werik | I don't know |
| 14:05.04 | AnduinLothar | could even just make a subfolder for every addon and then prepend the file with a single # itterating from first uploaded and just refrence them by the # and then remove the # before dl.... but w/e I'm sure your devs can handle it |
| 14:05.32 | [Cu]Werik | I think its fine anyway |
| 14:05.37 | zenzelezz | bit late, but I agree with AnduinLothar that it's just downright stupid to use random numbers in download names |
| 14:06.06 | AnduinLothar | that's more agrivating than random #'s in urls.... don't get me started on urls.. |
| 14:06.07 | [Cu]Werik | It takes much more time to recode a whole system which actually works then pressing the sort by date button in a file manager |
| 14:06.27 | [Cu]Werik | this is my opinion:) |
| 14:06.33 | zenzelezz | sort by date is unreliable |
| 14:06.46 | zenzelezz | easy to change them |
| 14:06.50 | Kiphere|Work | I sense much anger in this one.. yes. |
| 14:06.57 | AnduinLothar | ANGER! |
| 14:07.03 | AnduinLothar | ME SMASH! |
| 14:07.15 | AnduinLothar | sorry, not enough pvp today |
| 14:07.23 | [Cu]Werik | filenames are much unreliable then |
| 14:07.35 | [Cu]Werik | much more |
| 14:07.41 | zenzelezz | of course they are, but adding random junk to them doesn't help anything |
| 14:07.47 | AnduinLothar | need to go kill someone, or go find my gf.. |
| 14:08.05 | AnduinLothar | damnit, she's 50 miles away |
| 14:08.13 | AnduinLothar | definitely killing someone |
| 14:08.13 | [Cu]Werik | It must have helped, otherwise I can't see the point why we made it |
| 14:08.32 | zenzelezz | depends whose point of view you're talking about Werik |
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| 14:09.11 | zenzelezz | obviously anything I say should be taken lightly at the moment, since I'm mostly letting off steam that should go to my ISP, if they ever answered without stupid answering machines |
| 14:09.29 | AnduinLothar | <-- Angry User who knows too much about web sites to accept long excuses over a small change. I can understand not wanting to have to redo the mirror tho, that'd take a while |
| 14:10.04 | [Cu]Werik | not to mention how high priority issue is this atm:) |
| 14:10.24 | AnduinLothar | my fucking isp was down for 3hrs this morning... i think that's where my anger came from |
| 14:10.55 | AnduinLothar | now i though COX sucked... but apparently SBC DSL sucks too |
| 14:11.12 | AnduinLothar | so..... anyone know any no sucky isp? |
| 14:11.16 | AnduinLothar | non* |
| 14:11.51 | amro | nope |
| 14:12.20 | amro | isp = incompetent service provider |
| 14:13.16 | amro | ^ |
| 14:13.20 | AnduinLothar | ok and wtf is with COX laying down a zillion miles of fiber and then raising our rates without askign and NOT giving us fiber... |
| 14:13.41 | foxlit | "11:40 CET: We're experiencing an issue... blah, blah, blah... ETA 12:45 CET". It's now 15:10 CET :/ |
| 14:14.18 | amro | you actually get ETAs |
| 14:14.45 | AnduinLothar | there's a reason most techs dont give ETAs... |
| 14:14.46 | amro | "Yes, we are aware you don't have internet access. Just wait." |
| 14:14.57 | amro | because of possible disappointments |
| 14:15.15 | amro | but there's also a maximum time it will take, which should be supplied |
| 14:15.42 | foxlit | I'd settle for an automatic line that gets added after 12:45 CET |
| 14:15.48 | AnduinLothar | they're A) notoriously bad at estimating and B) if you make an estimation the problem always take 3x longer than you estimated |
| 14:15.53 | foxlit | Something along the lines of "We're sorry we suck, we don't kno when it'll be up" |
| 14:16.37 | AnduinLothar | and if you triple your estimated time, your boss yells at you and then it still takes longer |
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| 14:17.03 | amro | I remember once my net stopped working, and I decided to wait it out as usual. Took a long time so I called them. "Oh you're using a different router? Hold on a second... okay now you have access" |
| 14:17.27 | AnduinLothar | i should make a doctoral thesis on Muphy's law and it's correlation with human expectation realized by productivity |
| 14:17.57 | Kirkburn|afk | Note that Blizzard do not directly control the servers |
| 14:18.08 | AnduinLothar | blam Vivindi |
| 14:18.18 | Kirkburn|afk | And neither do Vivendi =) |
| 14:18.30 | AnduinLothar | it's their fault anyway, they're at the top |
| 14:18.58 | Kirkburn|afk | I can go with that :P |
| 14:19.07 | amro | Blizzard has its own techies there, if the server crashes its their fault |
| 14:19.13 | amro | if it goes online its the datacenter's fault |
| 14:19.13 | Kirkburn|afk | Tbh, no one expected WoW to reach the size it did, so it's been stop-gap measures for a while |
| 14:19.41 | Kirkburn|afk | If the server crashes it could be *anyones* fault, don't blame Blizzard for no reason |
| 14:20.02 | AnduinLothar | Bob did it |
| 14:20.03 | amro | server crashes means the problem is in the software |
| 14:20.10 | amro | which blizzard makes |
| 14:20.10 | AnduinLothar | blame cisco |
| 14:20.12 | Kirkburn|afk | Not neccessarily |
| 14:20.19 | AnduinLothar | they prolly designed the routers |
| 14:20.19 | amro | falling through the world = blizzard's fault |
| 14:20.35 | Kirkburn|afk | Relevant? |
| 14:20.40 | amro | a while afterward the server crashes |
| 14:20.56 | amro | yes relevant because the server crashes soon afterward, now i WONDER whose fault it is |
| 14:21.05 | Kirkburn|afk | It _could_ also be symptomatic of a hardware failure |
| 14:21.37 | AnduinLothar | do the servers fail because you fall through the world or do you fall through the world because the servers are unstable? |
| 14:21.48 | amro | but it most likely isnt |
| 14:21.51 | Kirkburn|afk | I agree that it is more likely to be the software, but do remember that this is some extremely stressful software and gardware use |
| 14:21.54 | foxlit | Neither, client side geometry |
| 14:22.03 | amro | foxlit: all clients fail at once? |
| 14:22.04 | Kirkburn|afk | *hardware :P |
| 14:22.35 | Kirkburn|afk | If a server starts to fail, it will affect the client, which could cause such a glitch |
| 14:22.55 | foxlit | glitch :/ |
| 14:23.04 | Kirkburn|afk | However, that doesn't *prove* it to be a software problem |
| 14:23.15 | Kiphere|Work | why are they making me actualy work today. |
| 14:23.15 | amro | it most likely is |
| 14:23.24 | Kiphere|Work | this is horrible. |
| 14:23.30 | Kirkburn|afk | Yes, but don't assume =) |
| 14:23.34 | amro | i cant think of a hardware failure that would cause a physics algorithm to malfunction horribly and that would be fixed in 24hrs |
| 14:23.55 | Kirkburn|afk | Hardware checks take a long time |
| 14:24.10 | foxlit | Hardware physics? |
| 14:24.21 | Kirkburn|afk | You have to look for the source of the problem before you can restore a server |
| 14:24.23 | foxlit | Aren't those gaming-machine toys rather than server equipment? |
| 14:24.32 | amro | yes, there are plenty of awesome physics effects on wow serverside that warrant hardware accelerated physics |
| 14:24.33 | Kiphere|Work | My network hardware makes our custome proccess clusters crash all the time ;) |
| 14:24.54 | Kirkburn|afk | You can't go willy-nilly restarting a server without knowing why it failed in the first place as that would probably cause far worse problems |
| 14:25.26 | Bouvi | The way I look at it. Bitching about it won't get it fixed any faster. So I go do something else while down. |
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| 14:25.43 | AnduinLothar | DamageMeters is fixed |
| 14:25.47 | Kiphere|Work | Blizzards servers most liekly don't have physics cards but probably do have sets of processors in a cluster or blade set up that are dedicated for server side physics calculation |
| 14:25.51 | amro | Kirkburn: what i meant is a hardware failure would take more than that to fix |
| 14:26.13 | foxlit | I'm not even sure wow has "physics" |
| 14:26.19 | Kiphere|Work | ... |
| 14:26.19 | Kirkburn|afk | Depends on the type of failure =) |
| 14:26.35 | amro | and im not sure how content patches make the hardware more likely to malfunction |
| 14:26.43 | Kirkburn|afk | Stress levels |
| 14:26.51 | Kiphere|Work | a lot of 'failures' are fixed by restarts. |
| 14:26.55 | amro | what stress levels? |
| 14:27.04 | [Cu]Werik | traffic peaks |
| 14:27.07 | foxlit | Maximum number of simultanious world inits |
| 14:27.10 | Kirkburn|afk | Remember when they added in poisons going across instances borders - that caused MAJOR server problems |
| 14:27.20 | amro | yeah |
| 14:27.23 | amro | and that is software |
| 14:27.23 | Kiphere|Work | example: They just gave every single character in the game their talent points back. |
| 14:27.33 | Kiphere|Work | when is hte last time you had a million folks all doing their talents at the same time. |
| 14:27.41 | amro | im not talking about patch day |
| 14:27.42 | Kirkburn|afk | No it's hardware primarily, because the hardware couldn't cope with the stress |
| 14:27.43 | foxlit | Mostly network communication |
| 14:27.45 | Kiphere|Work | software effects hardware and the hardware fails. |
| 14:28.00 | foxlit | And it's all because blizzard insists on making people corpserun to instances |
| 14:28.03 | amro | that's why they have caps, kirkburn |
| 14:28.08 | amro | and hte server wasn't even at the cap |
| 14:28.23 | Kirkburn|afk | You wanted them to reduce the cap just for that? |
| 14:28.26 | Kiphere|Work | it buckles under pressure, or misprocesses something or simply stutters and causes an out of synch operation that cascades, etc. |
| 14:28.38 | amro | i never said reduce caps |
| 14:28.45 | [Cu]Werik | caps are not for that |
| 14:28.56 | Kirkburn|afk | But you're complaining about the caps! |
| 14:28.56 | foxlit | normal operation cap > concurrent login cap |
| 14:28.57 | amro | caps are because the servers can only handle so many clients at once |
| 14:29.05 | [Cu]Werik | no |
| 14:29.11 | amro | kirkburn: what? when did I complain about caps? |
| 14:29.25 | Kiphere|Work | I support a variety of networks, each has a server farm associated with it, I'm at least a little familiar about actual server cluster processing heh. |
| 14:29.33 | amro | [Cu]Werik: enlighten me |
| 14:29.35 | foxlit | If you want to make sure you won't choke when everyone is at highest communication level, you need a much lower cap than if you assume a low number of logins/world syncs |
| 14:29.51 | Kiphere|Work | caps arent because of 'client limits' it's about overall processsing limits. |
| 14:29.51 | Kirkburn|afk | You said it wasn't even at the cap, yet still it was a problem ... okay, not complaining, but it was a "blame" |
| 14:29.53 | foxlit | <Kirkburn|afk> No it's hardware primarily, because the hardware couldn't cope with the stress |
| 14:29.56 | [Cu]Werik | Cap is more like an average |
| 14:29.56 | foxlit | <amro> that's why they have caps, kirkburn |
| 14:30.46 | Kiphere|Work | if the majority of the server is NOT in an instance the overall population cap for the server is actualy much lower. |
| 14:30.46 | amro | yeah, if the cap isnt met the hardware shouldnt be at its limits |
| 14:30.46 | Kiphere|Work | I'm fairly certain its based around concurrent entities on the world server itself. |
| 14:30.46 | Kirkburn|afk | The poison stuff was not a software problem, it was because it took too much processing and data work for the hardware to cope. |
| 14:30.46 | Kiphere|Work | You /never/ set your cap at your servers 'limit' |
| 14:30.56 | [Cu]Werik | cap is not there to save the hardware, it is there to prevent people flooding the realms |
| 14:31.08 | Kirkburn|afk | amro, that's the point. The poison change _caused_ the server to reach it's limits |
| 14:31.13 | foxlit | They should've fixed it by letting the raid leader ress everyone at the instance entrance after a wipe. |
| 14:31.18 | Kiphere|Work | blah, afk for a meeting. |
| 14:31.35 | foxlit | Add some sort of timer if you want to be obnoxious |
| 14:31.35 | amro | Kirkburn: which a software thing. I mean, its not the software FAILING, but its the software's fault for being inoptimized |
| 14:31.55 | Kirkburn|afk | You can opimize software all you want, it won't make it not use more load |
| 14:32.21 | [Cu]Werik | those hardwares can handle much more than the realm caps, but when you get a peak or jam somewhere |
| 14:32.22 | amro | Kirkburn: With a given hardware target, you optimize your software to run on it |
| 14:32.30 | Kirkburn|afk | I mean, if you make software change that requires more processing, how on earth do you suggest 'optimizing' that away? |
| 14:32.40 | Kirkburn|afk | amro, which is why they took it out! |
| 14:32.46 | amro | Kirkburn: you don't make that change until the hardware is ready |
| 14:32.47 | Kirkburn|afk | That was the optimizing, removing it |
| 14:32.52 | amro | yes |
| 14:32.53 | axxo | instance the entire world ;o |
| 14:33.03 | amro | and whose fault is that whole thing? not the datacenter |
| 14:33.08 | Kirkburn|afk | yes, they found the hardware wasn't ready, so they removed it |
| 14:33.19 | Kirkburn|afk | No, it's the _hardware's_ fault. |
| 14:33.22 | amro | right, but i still don't see how it's not their fault |
| 14:33.24 | Kirkburn|afk | So they bought new hardware. |
| 14:33.41 | AnduinLothar | ... |
| 14:33.42 | amro | they know their hardware, they should know better than to implement sucha feature |
| 14:33.50 | amro | until they are ready |
| 14:34.05 | [Cu]Werik | They should, but they don't. |
| 14:34.15 | Kirkburn|afk | You can't predict the future with such accuracy |
| 14:34.22 | Kirkburn|afk | If you could, this would never have been a problem |
| 14:34.28 | amro | right |
| 14:34.35 | amro | they need to test things |
| 14:34.40 | [Cu]Werik | They dont test things carefully |
| 14:34.59 | amro | which ends up being their fault, not the hardware's :P |
| 14:35.16 | axxo | depends if the hardware manufacture promised it would work |
| 14:35.24 | Kirkburn|afk | What I am trying to get across here is that it's not the coder's fault, it's a combination of many factors, many of which are not in Blizzard's control |
| 14:36.10 | Kirkburn|afk | And I can't see how you can test a change such as the poison thing accurately? |
| 14:36.18 | [Cu]Werik | Same thing happened with patch 2.0, and those fundamental pvp related game rule changes, then re-changes a week after |
| 14:36.19 | amro | Testing is in blizzard's control and is blizzard's responsibility. even if it was unavoidable, they still take the blam |
| 14:36.21 | amro | blame) |
| 14:36.24 | Kirkburn|afk | The PTR is never used in the same way as a normal server |
| 14:36.34 | amro | yeah |
| 14:36.50 | amro | but people need someone to blame |
| 14:36.56 | Kirkburn|afk | I know ;) |
| 14:37.02 | amro | and that is usually blizzard, whether they could avoid it or not |
| 14:37.15 | amro | im just explaining why most people thing blizzard is incompetent |
| 14:37.18 | Kirkburn|afk | But no-one can predict the future with enough accuracy to estimate the effects accurately |
| 14:37.20 | amro | think* |
| 14:37.25 | [Cu]Werik | they are:) |
| 14:37.36 | [Cu]Werik | I mean, they are very unprofessional sometimes:( |
| 14:37.59 | Kirkburn|afk | Let's not lump an entire company as one thing now :) |
| 14:38.04 | amro | kirkburn: did you play during the stress test? |
| 14:38.05 | [Cu]Werik | Hiding behind their forums instead of standing up for things and so on:) |
| 14:38.15 | Kirkburn|afk | amro, original beta? |
| 14:38.18 | amro | yes |
| 14:38.22 | Kirkburn|afk | Nope |
| 14:38.30 | foxlit | [Cu]Werik: Is the Tickets (bug reports?) UI for users up yet? :) |
| 14:38.32 | amro | the servers were horribly slow, but didnt crash |
| 14:38.37 | amro | and didnt glitch |
| 14:38.39 | Kirkburn|afk | amro, US? |
| 14:38.40 | Xuerian | Huh. Didn't know Miranda could be compiled for linux. |
| 14:38.41 | amro | yes |
| 14:38.49 | [Cu]Werik | foxlit, good question, I'll check it |
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| 14:39.05 | Bouvi | Yeah but the stress test did not have millions of people :) |
| 14:39.12 | Kirkburn|afk | Did it change for final release? I'm EU, so I obviously got the result of a few months useage |
| 14:39.14 | Kirkburn|afk | *usage |
| 14:39.22 | amro | the stress test had more people per server than release |
| 14:39.44 | [Cu]Werik | No it isnt foxlit |
| 14:39.46 | Kirkburn|afk | I can imagine they eventually started with lower caps then |
| 14:39.46 | amro | there was over 500,000 on 20 servers |
| 14:40.07 | amro | release totally sucked. they underestimated the game, and had few servers up |
| 14:40.15 | Kirkburn|afk | 25,000 per server, yeah that about 5,000-10,000 over 'normal' |
| 14:40.16 | amro | which is why a bunch crashed in the first week |
| 14:40.33 | Kevorkian | meh, I'll take a blizzard release over an SOE one any day |
| 14:40.35 | foxlit | Also, "submit patch" went away somewhere |
| 14:40.50 | Kirkburn|afk | Submit plugin isn't it now? |
| 14:40.55 | Kirkburn|afk | Top right? |
| 14:40.57 | foxlit | Two options |
| 14:41.05 | Kirkburn|afk | ah, k |
| 14:41.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | on a venture from the hinterlands |
| 14:41.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | to the ghosttlands in the back way |
| 14:42.05 | Kirkburn|afk | Be this a poem? |
| 14:42.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | doubt itll work but maybe |
| 14:42.32 | foxlit | Aren't those on the outland world server? |
| 14:42.37 | Kirkburn|afk | Yes, yes they are |
| 14:42.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | not if there's an uninstanced version :p |
| 14:42.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | like uninstanced tanaris |
| 14:43.02 | Kirkburn|afk | Heh, I wonder if they've changed it at all |
| 14:43.12 | Kirkburn|afk | CoT is uninstanced anyway |
| 14:43.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah that's part of whyi'm doing this |
| 14:43.19 | Kirkburn|afk | gl :P |
| 14:43.58 | Kirkburn|afk | Uninstanced Silithus is more interesting =) |
| 14:43.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | dunno if i can still get over here since they nerfed mountain walking |
| 14:44.04 | Kirkburn|afk | Is CoT open on live? |
| 14:44.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah |
| 14:44.16 | Kirkburn|afk | Funky |
| 14:44.21 | Kirkburn|afk | I love the ticking music |
| 14:44.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | you can get the level 65 water |
| 14:44.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | er |
| 14:44.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | 60 |
| 14:44.37 | amro | CoT? |
| 14:44.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | 65 too |
| 14:44.57 | foxlit | Timesink Caverns |
| 14:45.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | well the giant plane over here is still up |
| 14:45.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | buuut this part doesn't even highlight on the map |
| 14:45.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | so i'm gonna keep going north till i hit silvermoon |
| 14:48.30 | Kirkburn|afk | heh |
| 14:48.40 | Kirkburn|afk | Have they at least remodelled it for the new shape? |
| 14:49.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | can't tell yet |
| 14:49.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's the same plane over here, but that part doesn't highlight on the map |
| 14:49.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | sooo, yeah, it could be changed |
| 14:49.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | gonna still go north and see |
| 14:49.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | someone fix wowmapview kthx |
| 14:49.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | Discovered: Quel'Thalas |
| 14:50.38 | amro | you on live? |
| 14:50.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah |
| 14:51.00 | amro | last i remember, blizzard banned people for going into unopened zones |
| 14:51.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've been into every unopened zone thusfar and haven't had any actions |
| 14:51.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | :p |
| 14:51.29 | foxlit | Only if they used exploits, really |
| 14:51.39 | amro | no |
| 14:51.53 | amro | going into an unopneed zone is considered an exploit :) |
| 14:52.09 | amro | also, it was mostly because there were mobs that were easy to kill and gave xp/loot |
| 14:52.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | well so far it's the same mountains on every shore |
| 14:52.37 | Xuerian | It's considered a exploit and a bannable one, but it's usually not executed unless you play tourguide |
| 14:52.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | well i guarantee there aren't any mobs over here unless they're blizzard guardians |
| 14:53.27 | Kirkburn|afk | It'd be cool if the feedback UI stayed in for release |
| 14:53.29 | Xuerian | do tell if you figure out a way in :p |
| 14:55.11 | Kirkburn|afk | Quick note: "I [Nethaera] have also found out that we had to do a clear of discovery areas as well due to some bleed over of information from the beta realms to the live realms in which players on the live realms were showing expansion areas as explored." |
| 14:55.29 | Kirkburn|afk | (explanation for why some people had their explored areas reset) |
| 14:56.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | well it says i should be in the middle of eversong and i'm still swimming |
| 14:56.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | so i'm not thinking they remodeled it |
| 14:57.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | but i AM in General - Quel'Thalas |
| 14:57.47 | Kirkburn|afk | lol |
| 14:57.54 | amro | i think the geometry only comes with BC |
| 14:58.10 | Kirkburn|afk | The geometry isn't in that location =) |
| 14:58.15 | Kirkburn|afk | It's on the Outland map |
| 14:58.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | i look forward to the new wowmapviewer |
| 14:58.37 | Xuerian | Sneaky bastards. |
| 14:58.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | i wanna see what they have hidden in outland |
| 14:58.42 | Kirkburn|afk | But your co-ords are transferred to the Azeroth map as if you're on the same map |
| 14:58.51 | amro | you get a loading screen if you fly over? |
| 14:59.05 | Kirkburn|afk | Nope, you have to portal there |
| 14:59.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | like the little patch of outland that was once (still might be) in deadmines |
| 14:59.10 | foxlit | They could do that gracefully |
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| 14:59.13 | amro | no way to fly? |
| 14:59.24 | amro | they could, but blizzard isn;t known for hacks |
| 14:59.24 | [Cu]Werik | no |
| 14:59.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | and GM island hidden in the Eastern Kingdoms map |
| 14:59.40 | Kirkburn|afk | They could set the entire border as a portal, but it'd be kinda weird |
| 14:59.44 | amro | that's a dirty trick |
| 15:00.12 | Kirkburn|afk | Question - is the beta toc still 20000? |
| 15:00.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | a giant portal with a texture of the fonz with his thumb up hopefully |
| 15:00.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | i heard it's 20003 |
| 15:00.25 | Xuerian | 20003 |
| 15:00.36 | Kirkburn|afk | wtf |
| 15:01.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | but yeah blizzard making models contain collision info is a bad idea |
| 15:01.14 | Xuerian | Fun, ain't? :P |
| 15:01.30 | Kirkburn|afk | hmmmmmm |
| 15:01.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | and thus a new age of WoWTOCers are born |
| 15:01.45 | Kirkburn|afk | It doesn't even make any sense |
| 15:01.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | HAY I UPDATED THIS WITH PROGRAM AND IT DOESNT WORK ON BETA!!! FIX PLZZZ |
| 15:01.59 | Kirkburn|afk | if anything it should be 20300 |
| 15:02.23 | amro | yeah 20003 is weird |
| 15:02.24 | foxlit | 2.3? |
| 15:02.28 | foxlit | 2.0.3 |
| 15:02.34 | foxlit | It works, really. |
| 15:02.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | it coooould be because it's beta |
| 15:02.52 | foxlit | [same trick I use in my version numbers :P ] |
| 15:02.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | and live will go over to say, 20300 eventually? |
| 15:02.59 | amro | beta works exactly like release. wow beta was one patch ahead of release package |
| 15:03.05 | Kirkburn|afk | Who on earth knows? |
| 15:03.13 | Kirkburn|afk | What's 2.0.2? Does anyone really know? |
| 15:03.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | 2 now, amro |
| 15:03.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | 2.0.2 was 20000 |
| 15:03.35 | foxlit | They didn't need to differentiate at that point? |
| 15:03.36 | Kirkburn|afk | No, I mean what *is* it? Next patch? Before release? |
| 15:03.39 | Kevorkian | there is a way to fly, gotta use the elixir of dream vision |
| 15:03.50 | Kirkburn|afk | And what is 2.0.3? TBC release patch? |
| 15:04.00 | amro | Mr_Rabies2: I'm taling about original release |
| 15:04.07 | Kirkburn|afk | Kevorkian, ? |
| 15:04.07 | amro | talking* |
| 15:04.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | unless there's a howling ziggurat hidden right where i am they didn't remodel anything on the world map for the new stuff |
| 15:04.42 | Kirkburn|afk | Mr_Rabies, lol |
| 15:04.43 | Kevorkian | kirkburn: don't mind me, just skimming and reading incorrectly |
| 15:04.48 | Kirkburn|afk | So you appear on which map? |
| 15:04.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | world map |
| 15:05.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | speedfu is showing ??? |
| 15:05.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | but on the world map i'm sitting in the middle of ghostlands |
| 15:05.12 | Kirkburn|afk | Ah, it's doesn't transfer the co-ords the other way =) |
| 15:05.34 | Kirkburn|afk | Wait, what? |
| 15:05.41 | Kirkburn|afk | You're on the actual ghostlands map? |
| 15:05.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | on the world map it shows me sitting in the middle of ghostlands |
| 15:06.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | and i click on ghostlands and i'm not on it |
| 15:06.08 | Kirkburn|afk | Ah, that makes sense |
| 15:06.30 | Jens | No Hyjal in TBC, btw? |
| 15:06.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | but i have mapnotes and alphamap so i have some preconfig alphamap setup |
| 15:06.42 | Jens | Doesn't show on my TBC map :( |
| 15:06.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | er preconfig mapnotes in zones |
| 15:06.53 | Kirkburn|afk | Hyjal only in CoT instance |
| 15:07.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | dammit that sucks |
| 15:07.08 | Kirkburn|afk | No 'normal' Hyjal |
| 15:07.15 | Xuerian | What're they going to do with the empty mapspace? o.00 |
| 15:07.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | i wanted them to extend modern hyjal into like a timbermaw stronghold |
| 15:07.18 | Kirkburn|afk | ... yet |
| 15:07.30 | amro | i wonder if you can go all around hilllsbrad ion CpoT |
| 15:07.37 | amro | CoT* |
| 15:07.41 | Kirkburn|afk | I'm sure the current Hyjal will arrive someday :) |
| 15:07.46 | Kirkburn|afk | Yup |
| 15:07.51 | Kirkburn|afk | You can buy stuff from Soutshore |
| 15:07.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | i mean hell, they have all the collison marks of the burning crusade's infernal meteors and everything in hyjal |
| 15:07.59 | Kirkburn|afk | *Southshore |
| 15:08.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | er |
| 15:08.05 | amro | if you're horde, can you destroy level 55 southshore guards :P? |
| 15:08.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | legion |
| 15:08.17 | Kirkburn|afk | Old Hillsbrad has been in the files for a loong time |
| 15:08.32 | Kirkburn|afk | (Since release I think) |
| 15:08.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | veeery long time |
| 15:08.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | so has the black moirass |
| 15:08.41 | Kirkburn|afk | Indeed |
| 15:08.51 | Kirkburn|afk | amro, not sure what the NPCs are like |
| 15:09.01 | Kirkburn|afk | But I doubt it ;) |
| 15:09.04 | amro | I miss level 55 southshore guards |
| 15:09.09 | amro | so much eaiser to kill |
| 15:09.16 | Kirkburn|afk | Your char is changed into an 'appropriate' race anyway I think |
| 15:09.28 | amro | orcs don't get to help thrall? |
| 15:09.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | pfft |
| 15:09.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | the 65 level guards are pansies anyway |
| 15:09.38 | Kirkburn|afk | I'm sure sure exactly |
| 15:09.46 | Kirkburn|afk | *not sure, even :P |
| 15:09.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | i can almost solo 2 at a time perfectly fine |
| 15:10.00 | amro | except im playing my level 41 mage currently |
| 15:10.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | pfft |
| 15:10.09 | amro | and those pansies 3 shot me |
| 15:10.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | PERMAFROST MAN GOSH |
| 15:10.22 | amro | 3 shot |
| 15:10.23 | amro | read that again |
| 15:10.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | don't let them hit you!!1 |
| 15:10.33 | Kirkburn|afk | lol |
| 15:10.47 | amro | yeah, its easy to do since they have no chance of resisting frost nova :P |
| 15:10.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | gosh l2p geez i solo'd all of tarren mill on a level 1 draenei shaman |
| 15:11.19 | amro | i have a level warlock in ironforge :P |
| 15:11.21 | amro | level 1 |
| 15:11.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | i got to ironforge on a level 1 druid a while ago |
| 15:12.00 | zenzelezz | I see plenty of level 1s in Ironforge... all asking me for gold |
| 15:12.05 | amro | blizzard needs to fix dying in deeprun tram |
| 15:12.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | just to see if i could without dinging from darnassus |
| 15:12.17 | amro | your ghost spawns in ELWYNN FOREST |
| 15:12.20 | Corrodias | what's wrong with dying in DRT? |
| 15:12.21 | amro | all the way to the east |
| 15:12.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | did they ever fix the tunnels in Silithus? |
| 15:12.28 | foxlit | zenelezz: That's strange. Level 1s in my ironforge are all offering me gold |
| 15:12.29 | amro | if you're horde |
| 15:12.35 | Jens | Some alliance people on our server got shaman loot in BWL :( |
| 15:12.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | <foxlit> zenelezz: That's strange. Level 1s in my ironforge are all offering me gold |
| 15:12.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | just for a small amount of real money |
| 15:13.10 | amro | anyone notice the increase in gold selling adverts ingame? |
| 15:13.16 | foxlit | s/zenelezz/zenzelezz/ |
| 15:13.20 | zenzelezz | indeed amro |
| 15:13.27 | amro | christmas season XD |
| 15:13.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | not really |
| 15:13.39 | amro | Santa, I want 500G for christmas |
| 15:13.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | dude |
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| 15:14.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | i get the funniest peons4hire ads |
| 15:14.10 | Jens | pffft... l2p. I grind 500g in 10 minutes on my level 1 draenei shaman. |
| 15:14.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | they talk about santa dropping stuff off in his sleigh in broken english |
| 15:14.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's the greatest thing ever |
| 15:14.27 | zenzelezz | haha, I get that too |
| 15:14.45 | amro | by the way, santas are not flagged for pvp |
| 15:15.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | nor are newb zone quest npcs |
| 15:15.12 | Corrodias | oshi-, the christmas event is on now, is it? |
| 15:15.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | as of like 4 days ago |
| 15:15.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | GOSH |
| 15:15.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | with new snow in AV |
| 15:15.29 | amro | BUY 1000 SNOWBALLS |
| 15:15.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | with a knockback keffect |
| 15:15.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | used to work on allies |
| 15:15.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | i knocked a pally off a cliff and almost killed him while he was mounted from shadowmeld |
| 15:15.46 | amro | knockback only works on your party now :( |
| 15:15.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | he wasn't very happy with me after that |
| 15:16.17 | amro | hahah |
| 15:16.17 | amro | yeah they also nerfed summoning people off a cliff |
| 15:16.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | nonono the AV snowballs work on opposite faction |
| 15:16.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | only |
| 15:16.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | and it's like a 20 yard knockback |
| 15:16.40 | amro | whaha? is that a snowball or a snow ICBM? |
| 15:16.41 | Kirkburn|afk | Thems powerful snowballs |
| 15:17.17 | Kirkburn|afk | "Hard-packed", c'mon, wouldn't that knock you back a few miles? |
| 15:18.12 | amro | only if they activate a jetpack you happen to be carrying around |
| 15:18.36 | Corrodias | so, for christmas toys, is it the same old? elf, reindeer, & snowman pets, snowman transformer, and consumable mount transformers? |
| 15:18.56 | amro | pretty much |
| 15:19.08 | amro | snowballs are the best |
| 15:19.12 | Fisker- | only 1000 amro ? |
| 15:19.14 | amro | since you can sell them ina few months |
| 15:19.16 | Corrodias | and the grench thing that i didn't qualify for last year |
| 15:19.38 | amro | Fisker-: that's for using |
| 15:19.40 | amro | :) |
| 15:19.49 | [Cu]Werik | amro, dream on selling snowballs:) |
| 15:20.05 | amro | why? |
| 15:20.09 | Fisker- | lol [Cu]Werik |
| 15:20.12 | [Cu]Werik | first of all |
| 15:20.18 | [Cu]Werik | a) it didnt work last year either |
| 15:20.24 | Fisker- | a) yes it did |
| 15:20.27 | amro | ^ |
| 15:20.29 | Fisker- | i sold 10000 snowballs from last time |
| 15:20.32 | [Cu]Werik | b) there are 7.499.999 million users thinking the same |
| 15:20.32 | Fisker- | 1g a stack |
| 15:20.37 | Fisker- | b) Apparently not |
| 15:20.45 | amro | Werik: most are too lazy to go through with it |
| 15:20.52 | amro | you need more than one bank alt |
| 15:20.55 | [Cu]Werik | You will see;) |
| 15:21.00 | Fisker- | i already saw |
| 15:21.00 | Corrodias | i'm also too cheap to bother buying snowballs |
| 15:21.01 | amro | and you need patience to sell them |
| 15:21.03 | Fisker- | and i also CAME |
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| 15:21.41 | Bouvi | I made over 130 gold selling a stack at 1.5 gold each 2 weeks before you could buy them. |
| 15:21.53 | Bouvi | I restocked everything for less than 1 gold. |
| 15:21.55 | [Liquidor] | Qshadowp: ping |
| 15:22.40 | amro | although it will be harder to do this year since more people will be doing it probably |
| 15:22.59 | amro | 1st year very few people thought of it |
| 15:23.08 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 15:23.18 | Fisker- | i don't intend to do it again though |
| 15:23.32 | amro | i did, but i was so lazy that by the time i decided to make my bank alt it was too late |
| 15:23.34 | Fisker- | mainly because i had to sell all my snowballs cheaper than getting them sold for 1,5 or 2g a stack |
| 15:23.43 | Fisker- | so now i got 10000 runecloth instead of snowballs :P |
| 15:24.01 | zenzelezz | remind me, how much reputation do you get for the runecloth hand-ins... 100? |
| 15:24.26 | Fisker- | 75 |
| 15:24.33 | foxlit | 50? |
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| 15:24.36 | Fisker- | nope |
| 15:24.39 | Fisker- | they buffed it in 2.0 |
| 15:24.49 | zenzelezz | meh, won't bother with that then |
| 15:24.52 | zenzelezz | thanks though |
| 15:25.19 | foxlit | They took away the real reason for having exalted, really |
| 15:25.32 | zenzelezz | and that was? |
| 15:25.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m86/jackmix69/G-Mod%20Photos/Random%20Crap/gm_construct0019.jpg |
| 15:25.51 | foxlit | mounts, duh :) |
| 15:26.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's still there :o |
| 15:26.11 | foxlit | PvP mounts are way too accessible |
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| 15:26.21 | zenzelezz | except I never PvP, and never will o_O |
| 15:26.31 | Bouvi | Except for those that never pvp or do not pvp much |
| 15:26.33 | foxlit | And since you don't need Tiger Riding, who cares about your reputation? |
| 15:26.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | Waiter, waiter, i have too much money |
| 15:26.43 | foxlit | 30 tokens of each kind = peanuts |
| 15:27.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | you need epic mount training for the pvp mounts now, though |
| 15:27.17 | zenzelezz | foxlit: well, as far as I know you still need exalted to buy the mounts |
| 15:27.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | not for the pvp ones |
| 15:27.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | but that doesn't really matter |
| 15:27.47 | zenzelezz | like I said, I don't do PvP |
| 15:28.21 | zenzelezz | my 41 troll is currently at 15848/21000 Orgrimmar, but I'm starting to have trouble finding quests that give Orgrimmar reputation |
| 15:28.37 | foxlit | Heh, if you're considering using runecloth to get rep for a mount, you can afford epic mount training |
| 15:29.02 | Corrodias | yes, but they're unrelated things |
| 15:29.12 | amro | zenzelezz: do the seasonal quests |
| 15:29.15 | foxlit | There's no other benefit to exalted, really |
| 15:29.23 | amro | i got 500rep with TB for some turnin |
| 15:29.31 | zenzelezz | already did that one :-| |
| 15:29.49 | Maldivia | zenzelezz: do AV, and turn in tokens :) |
| 15:29.57 | zenzelezz | for the third time, I don't PvP =D |
| 15:30.15 | Corrodias | DO IT |
| 15:30.18 | amro | afk bot in av |
| 15:30.18 | foxlit | Why not? :) |
| 15:30.30 | zenzelezz | because I don't enjoy the PvP in WoW |
| 15:30.30 | amro | like every other person in an AV |
| 15:30.36 | foxlit | wouldn't work, amro |
| 15:30.40 | Maldivia | zenzelezz: you don't have to PvP to collect tokens in AV |
| 15:30.41 | Corrodias | you know, i'm probably just going to wait until TBC to proceed with my mage or warlock, so they can both be BE"s |
| 15:30.48 | foxlit | Token handins only spill stormpike rep |
| 15:30.57 | Corrodias | i really didn't like any of the choices on the horde side for mages or warlocks |
| 15:30.58 | amro | foxlit: just kidding |
| 15:30.59 | Maldivia | zenzelezz: killing and looting guards gives you the storm crystals etc aswell |
| 15:31.10 | amro | foxlit: also, av/wsg/ab tokens can get you a mount |
| 15:31.13 | amro | 30 of each |
| 15:31.18 | amro | and I intend to get one' |
| 15:31.22 | amro | epic mount* |
| 15:31.31 | Maldivia | foxlit: they removed the faction reputation with 2.0? |
| 15:31.32 | zenzelezz | what's the minimum level for AV? |
| 15:31.36 | amro | 51 |
| 15:31.36 | Maldivia | 51 |
| 15:31.40 | foxlit | Read up on how the conversation started, amro :) |
| 15:31.47 | zenzelezz | no good for another 10 levels then |
| 15:31.59 | zenzelezz | but worth remembering as a last resort |
| 15:32.05 | amro | foxlit: ? |
| 15:32.12 | Maldivia | zenzelezz: done the orc newbie quests? |
| 15:32.18 | amro | you still need AB/WSG marks |
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| 15:32.35 | zenzelezz | Maldivia: aye, been doing orc/Orgrimmar quests as much as possible since I started |
| 15:32.36 | foxlit | <foxlit> PvP mounts are way too accessible |
| 15:32.50 | Nom | pfft so what? |
| 15:32.54 | TS|Skrom | Maldivia he's a troll, it's all the same. |
| 15:33.00 | amro | oh yeah, but then you mentioned stormpike rep |
| 15:33.05 | amro | which i dont think you can get with marks anymore |
| 15:33.12 | Nom | pvp mounts just save you 90 gold, that's all |
| 15:33.22 | amro | and 1 year of grinding reputation |
| 15:33.23 | Maldivia | amro: you can get it from the tokens you loot in AV... |
| 15:33.29 | TS|Skrom | zenzelezz done ferelas yet? |
| 15:33.31 | zenzelezz | it's not the end of the world if I don't get a wolf mount, but I'd still like one ;) Thanks for the advice though, I might just give in sometime |
| 15:33.31 | Nom | pfft |
| 15:33.35 | Nom | it takes no time to grind rep |
| 15:33.36 | TS|Skrom | That gives some org iirc |
| 15:33.45 | Nom | plus you can get your own races' epic mount any time |
| 15:33.48 | zenzelezz | TS|Skrom: hm, no, I forgot about that zone - good call :) |
| 15:33.50 | foxlit | amro: because first-hand token handins also give you faction with some other things. |
| 15:34.04 | TS|Skrom | and you are just in time for it! |
| 15:34.14 | Fisker- | pvp mounts aren't the cool |
| 15:34.16 | TS|Skrom | level wise that is |
| 15:34.27 | foxlit | amro: but only stormpike rep is shared across everyone in the battleground, so you need to pvp actively (+hand in tokens) to actually level something other than stormpike rep |
| 15:34.48 | Fisker- | pvp hawkstrider and raptor are the coolest pvp mounts imo |
| 15:35.05 | Maldivia | foxlit: making 2k Ironforge rep is very easy in AV, if you defend |
| 15:35.20 | foxlit | Not the point. |
| 15:35.26 | Fisker- | heh |
| 15:35.28 | Corrodias | how's that? |
| 15:35.30 | foxlit | I'm saying that it's impossible to do with an afkbot :) |
| 15:35.38 | Fisker- | i've made 8k silvermoon rep in av on 2 days |
| 15:35.47 | Fisker- | i'd say aproximately 10 hours av play |
| 15:36.00 | zenzelezz | I find it funny how I'm revered with Orgrimmar, Thunder Bluff and Darkspear on my 41 troll, yet my 60 human is only revered with Stormwind :-o |
| 15:36.13 | Maldivia | Fisker-: then you're exalted with org? |
| 15:36.19 | Fisker- | yup |
| 15:36.25 | amro | foxlit: you dont get marks for being in AV? |
| 15:36.29 | TS|Skrom | lol zenzelezz |
| 15:36.36 | Fisker- | but even if i weren't you still get spillover from av |
| 15:36.39 | Maldivia | Fisker-: yeah, like how, when your exalted with IF/Orc, you split the rep between the other factions |
| 15:36.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm revered with SW and Darnassus and almost revered with IF and haven't done like any turnins specifically for rep |
| 15:37.05 | Maldivia | Fisker-: yeah, but the "spill" dramatically increase, if you're exalted :) |
| 15:37.23 | foxlit | amro: You do. What do marks have to do with rep? |
| 15:37.56 | amro | they have to do with epic mounts |
| 15:38.00 | amro | but nevermind |
| 15:38.06 | Corrodias | i'm going to bed now as i try to contemplate my future in that game |
| 15:38.08 | Fisker- | heh |
| 15:38.22 | Fisker- | also exalted with trolls and taurens |
| 15:38.28 | Fisker- | so that helps too i guess |
| 15:38.32 | Fisker- | almost exalted with UC as well |
| 15:38.49 | Fisker- | would my silvermoon rep get increase if i got exalted with UC? |
| 15:38.54 | Maldivia | nope |
| 15:38.58 | Maldivia | dont think so |
| 15:38.59 | Fisker- | ok |
| 15:39.32 | amro | there are a bunch of BE quests around |
| 15:39.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | i hear tales of people revered with Exodar/Silvermoon |
| 15:39.45 | Fisker- | not a tale |
| 15:39.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've seen screens of honored and stuff |
| 15:39.52 | Fisker- | halfway revered myself |
| 15:40.23 | amro | the blood elf male death animation is awesome |
| 15:40.35 | amro | i grinded them in dustwallow just for that |
| 15:43.12 | Fisker- | i just hope the rumors about silvermoon rep resetting aint true :) |
| 15:44.00 | amro | if blizzard didn't want people to get rep, they wouldn't have added those quests |
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| 15:44.36 | amro | plus its not a huge deal, you can probably get the mount through marks as well |
| 15:44.57 | Fisker- | you can |
| 15:45.04 | Fisker- | atleast there's a pvp hawkstrider in the data files |
| 15:45.28 | Kiphere|Work | i hate my job sometimes. |
| 15:47.14 | Industrial | I dont understand this: Why are people so rude (I think its rude) to talk and eve guild invite in their own language and not in the server language (enGB)? They can deny wanting to speak in english just fine so they can speak in it too. |
| 15:48.07 | Industrial | I only talk dutch in non pr Ivate channels IE guild/chat/whispers |
| 15:49.02 | Bouvi | I speak southern all the time. Ya'll come on down to the instance so's we can gets us some levelin |
| 15:50.10 | Industrial | .. |
| 15:50.42 | Bouvi | Tough crowd. And now we know why I am a graphic designer and not a comedian. |
| 15:52.18 | Fisker- | HOHOHO |
| 15:52.22 | Fisker- | alliance got 0wned |
| 15:52.50 | Industrial | yay |
| 15:52.54 | Fisker- | kept interrupting them in our base and then launched our riders so they kept interrupting them while trying to take our hut |
| 15:53.36 | Industrial | Hehe this is fun: I see blizzard is usng variables in quest text or in NPC speech |
| 15:53.49 | krka | like player class? |
| 15:54.02 | krka | Well done $CLASS. You have made us proud. Et.c. |
| 15:54.08 | Industrial | "Fobeed yells: and it's the $n coming through turn one!" |
| 15:54.25 | Corrodias | the $n is probably its name. you insensitive goober. |
| 15:54.32 | krka | sounds like it's a number |
| 15:54.32 | Corrodias | we can't all be beautiful |
| 15:54.33 | Fisker- | he knows |
| 15:54.38 | krka | it's the 13 cominc |
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| 15:54.48 | Industrial | $n should be goblin/gnome |
| 15:54.58 | Industrial | im at the raceway |
| 15:54.59 | Industrial | :D |
| 15:56.33 | Kaso | Why is my /click tainted :< |
| 15:56.57 | Bouvi | I wish they would allow us to race the cars :( |
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| 16:05.38 | amro | Industrial: I noticed that too |
| 16:05.54 | amro | Ogres say things like "ME CRUSH $r!" |
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| 16:08.37 | zenzelezz | someone kick the EU-Aerie Peak battlegroup |
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| 16:09.18 | zenzelezz | I keep getting disconnected and logging in dead... getting way old |
| 16:09.40 | amro | ticket a GM |
| 16:09.43 | amro | it happens sometimes |
| 16:09.48 | amro | and GMs can fix it |
| 16:09.53 | amro | though they'll put your char somewhere else |
| 16:10.02 | zenzelezz | it's not just me, from what I see on the tech forum |
| 16:10.09 | amro | oh |
| 16:10.14 | zenzelezz | and it's the same no matter where I go in the realm |
| 16:10.53 | zenzelezz | on EU-Silvermoon I have no problems at all... but I don't want to play there right now :-p |
| 16:11.32 | Corrodias | you multirealm people |
| 16:11.41 | Corrodias | it's like trying to be more than one race at once. |
| 16:11.50 | Corrodias | wow-wigger |
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| 16:19.47 | zenzelezz | there it goes again |
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| 16:27.00 | foxlit | Woah, the bearform looting pose |
| 16:27.29 | foxlit | Bear looks like it's bowing before someone |
| 16:28.27 | Corrodias | we need somebody to fill the request at the bottom of this thread (post 17596342) [nsfw]: http://img.4chan.org/b/res/17587053.html |
| 16:32.59 | Kirkburn|afk | Well I'm not going to do it ... |
| 16:35.54 | foxlit | Hah, Drek is being kited around outside |
| 16:36.00 | foxlit | BG lag really isn't good for their servers |
| 16:36.14 | Kirkburn|afk | Btw, tauren can now ride raptors :) |
| 16:36.58 | Corrodias | eh? |
| 16:37.10 | Corrodias | all raptors, or certain ones? |
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| 16:38.30 | zenzelezz | I hate being short tempered when my server is giving me grief |
| 16:38.36 | Kirkburn|afk | Corrodias, all afaik |
| 16:38.59 | Corrodias | so what is considered "now"? 2.0? TBC Beta? |
| 16:41.50 | foxlit | Hm, I wonder. |
| 16:41.58 | foxlit | GameTooltip:SetSpell(spellId, bookType) |
| 16:42.22 | foxlit | Would that also take spellName? |
| 16:44.44 | Fisker- | Kirkburn|afk theyre not marked tauren here |
| 16:44.53 | Kirkburn|afk | On the beta? |
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| 16:45.15 | Kirkburn|afk | If so, then it may just be the PvP versions |
| 16:45.19 | Fisker- | oh |
| 16:45.23 | Fisker- | thought you meant live |
| 16:45.24 | Fisker- | 2 sec then |
| 16:45.38 | Kirkburn|afk | http://www.imagedump.com/index.cgi?pick=get&tp=478978 |
| 16:46.22 | foxlit | Hm, no, it wouldn't |
| 16:47.59 | Fisker- | my raptor doesn't say tauren on it |
| 16:48.05 | Kiphere|Work | The Area of Effect damage for "Seed of Corruption" and "Blizzard" has been properly capped. |
| 16:48.25 | Fisker- | what does that do btw? |
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| 16:49.19 | Kaso | There be rumors of exploits afoot! |
| 16:49.27 | Kiphere|Work | sploits? |
| 16:49.29 | Kiphere|Work | in a blizzard game. |
| 16:49.32 | Kiphere|Work | pashaw |
| 16:49.49 | Fisker- | like soloing some sort of insane hard bosses by exploiting the aoe damage? :O |
| 16:49.54 | Kaso | Infinte stacking Rampage giving ungodly AP |
| 16:50.01 | Fisker- | :O? |
| 16:50.17 | Kaso | only a rumor, fresh off the wire. |
| 16:50.31 | Kaso | i wanna test it out but no rampage specced warriors online :< |
| 16:50.46 | Fisker- | tell them to respec? |
| 16:50.59 | Kaso | im too cheap to pay 50g |
| 16:51.15 | Fisker- | you mean on live? |
| 16:51.31 | Kaso | mmhm |
| 16:52.21 | Fisker- | pvp raptor tauren now |
| 16:52.23 | Corrodias | trying out exploits on live... is not recommended. |
| 16:52.51 | Fisker- | not like you get banned for it anyways |
| 16:52.57 | Kaso | ofc not, but i mean, realistically as long as you dont try and use it to get any gain you wont get noticed |
| 16:52.59 | Corrodias | yeah? |
| 16:53.08 | Kaso | if you go 1shot naxx bosses you will |
| 16:53.29 | Fisker- | I permatagged SW battlemasters on live using the mind control cap bug |
| 16:53.36 | Fisker- | i'm still ridin' |
| 16:53.44 | Fisker- | got reported by atleast 2 farmteams |
| 16:53.50 | Fisker- | that's 30 people |
| 16:54.36 | Fisker- | but then again i'm on the EU servers |
| 16:54.44 | Fisker- | where blizzard doesn't give a crap about anything |
| 16:56.34 | Fisker- | Kirkburn|afk there's a chance that this is a change still in progress :P |
| 16:56.53 | Fisker- | so they gave taurens abillity to ride on pvp mounts but forgot/didn't have time for normal mounts |
| 16:57.12 | Corrodias | http://img.4chan.org/b/src/1166625203971.jpg [worksafe] |
| 16:58.48 | Elkano | waaaa you lied... |
| 16:59.10 | zenzelezz | bah... I'd pay to transfer this char to a server that doesn't mess up every 10 minutes... but I can't seem to check if the server allows that at the moment, since the website keeps screwing up too... yay |
| 16:59.17 | Corrodias | eh? that's work safe |
| 17:00.51 | Fisker- | nah |
| 17:01.00 | Fisker- | cause my boss don't want me looking at pictures instead of working |
| 17:01.55 | Kirkburn|afk | Corr, is *anything* on 4chan worksafe? =) |
| 17:01.59 | Elkano | but boss, it's plain ascii *whistles* |
| 17:02.09 | Corrodias | that image is |
| 17:03.03 | Kirkburn|afk | Corrodias, just talking generally ;) Not that I'm complaining - it's an 'interesting' site :P |
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| 17:06.51 | Corrodias | http://img.4chan.org/b/src/1166627008807.jpg |
| 17:07.17 | Fisker- | 4chan is nice though |
| 17:07.41 | Kirkburn|afk | lool |
| 17:08.06 | Kirkburn|afk | Haha, I love this: http://etherchan.org/wiki/index.php/Candlejack |
| 17:08.18 | Kiphere|Work | anyone able to explain prospecting to me? |
| 17:08.19 | Kirkburn|afk | I was looking to see what it was about ... |
| 17:08.39 | Kiphere|Work | can't find anything good to read on it |
| 17:09.11 | Kirkburn|afk | Propecting - you perform it on oore, the ore gets used up and a 'random' selection of gems appear |
| 17:09.18 | Kirkburn|afk | It's like disenchanting a green |
| 17:09.49 | Kiphere|Work | so it's not actualy a gathering skill |
| 17:09.57 | Kiphere|Work | so you'll have to buy ore to be a JC or mine? |
| 17:10.09 | Kiphere|Work | or is it like enchanting and you get 'JC + Prospecting' ? |
| 17:10.33 | Kirkburn|afk | It's like enchanting, so you need to get the ore some other way |
| 17:10.34 | Corrodias | http://img.4chan.org/b/src/1166628991368.jpg |
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| 17:10.53 | Kiphere|Work | ok, so you take JC and mining, JC comes with prospecting and you mine for your ore |
| 17:11.09 | Kiphere|Work | me and my buddy are planning our characters together sort of. |
| 17:11.11 | Corrodias | just like engineering.. |
| 17:11.37 | Kiphere|Work | yeah, I just didn't know if prospecting came with JC as an ability ala Enchanting/disenchant, or if it was an all new gathering skill |
| 17:11.47 | Kirkburn|afk | Nope, part of JC :) |
| 17:11.53 | Kiphere|Work | thats all I needed to nkow ;) |
| 17:12.00 | Kirkburn|afk | Gives you skill-ups too, iirc |
| 17:12.05 | Kiphere|Work | thats a perk cause i wanna go blacksmithing on my paladin and he's gonna go JC |
| 17:12.10 | Kiphere|Work | so it'll work well together. |
| 17:12.18 | Kirkburn|afk | yeah |
| 17:12.26 | Kiphere|Work | I can give him ore I don't need he can give me ore he doesnt need, we can share gems, etc. |
| 17:13.02 | Tierrie | you'll never make enough ore for him |
| 17:13.08 | Tierrie | and he'll be dissatisfied and find another lover |
| 17:13.11 | Tierrie | uh i mean friend |
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| 17:14.34 | Kiphere|Work | I produce mad ore. |
| 17:14.37 | Kiphere|Work | I dunno what you're talkin about. |
| 17:14.41 | Kirkburn|afk | Hmm, I wonder if I can run WoW from an external USB hdd |
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| 17:14.47 | Tierrie | heh |
| 17:14.50 | Tierrie | i just made a miner :( |
| 17:15.00 | Kiphere|Work | we'll both be mining. |
| 17:15.03 | Kiphere|Work | so its not an issue ;p |
| 17:15.12 | Kiphere|Work | I'll be miner/bs, he'll be miner/jc |
| 17:15.34 | Tierrie | oh ok that makes sense |
| 17:15.40 | Tierrie | so if there's not enough, blame him |
| 17:15.40 | Kirkburn|afk | O.ore |
| 17:15.56 | Kiphere|Work | ? |
| 17:16.10 | Tierrie | yes |
| 17:16.20 | Tierrie | be like "i produce 80% of the ore you use you useless man" |
| 17:16.25 | Kiphere|Work | PÞþp |
| 17:18.32 | Kiphere|Work | I've had 4 toons to 60 |
| 17:18.37 | Kiphere|Work | all 4 have been engineers. |
| 17:19.06 | Tierrie | nifty, still would be nice to cause undue stress to a friend |
| 17:19.07 | Kiphere|Work | 3 of them dropped mining once I capped engineering and took up enchanting and took it to 300 too. |
| 17:19.16 | Kiphere|Work | this guy wigs out over little shit already. |
| 17:19.37 | Kiphere|Work | his crotch is like a sand magnet. |
| 17:20.01 | Tierrie | hahahaa |
| 17:20.03 | Tierrie | what?! |
| 17:20.21 | Tierrie | you mean like when he walks around, sand sticks to his pelvic region? |
| 17:20.34 | Kiphere|Work | apparently, thats the only way I can justify his constant bitching. |
| 17:20.48 | Kiphere|Work | I mean, what else could cause som eone to be so whiney all the time other than having sand in their crotch |
| 17:21.20 | foxlit | function strrpos(str,chr) |
| 17:21.21 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:21.21 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:21.21 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:21.21 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:21.21 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:21.23 | foxlit | end |
| 17:21.25 | foxlit | Any elegant way to do that? :) |
| 17:22.01 | Kemayo | Anyone here who can recommend a text-mode linux multiprotocol IM client? |
| 17:22.20 | Kiphere|Work | xwindows + xfire! |
| 17:22.50 | Kiphere|Work | foxlit I dunno what you'er doing in that code lol |
| 17:24.14 | foxlit | Finding the last occurance of a character in a string |
| 17:25.25 | Tem | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:25.35 | Tem | isn't there a str:reverse()? |
| 17:26.11 | foxlit | Indeed there is. Thanks. :) |
| 17:27.27 | Tem | oh wait |
| 17:27.33 | Tem | just use the third argument of find |
| 17:27.53 | Kevorkian | kemayo: just search sourceforge and make sure you only enable linux projects |
| 17:28.03 | Tem | actually nevermind |
| 17:28.10 | Tem | that wouldn't do what you need |
| 17:28.22 | foxlit | Third argument of find is the start position, I abused that in my starting code :) |
| 17:28.23 | Tem | function strrpos(str,chr) return str:reverse():find(chr,nil,true) end |
| 17:28.54 | Tem | (in case the character you're looking for is a special one) |
| 17:29.04 | foxlit | str:sub() isn't actually lua syntax :) |
| 17:29.15 | Tem | um.. yes it is |
| 17:29.23 | foxlit | nevermind, missed a bracket :) |
| 17:32.55 | Kiphere|Work | blah blah blah, hungry and i need to go home. |
| 17:32.58 | Kiphere|Work | my house is leaking. |
| 17:32.59 | Kiphere|Work | >< |
| 17:40.58 | Cairenn | leaking house usually isn't good news =/ |
| 17:41.15 | Kirkburn|afk | Woah, epic flying mounts are faaaast |
| 17:42.51 | Neuro | for 5 grand, they better be |
| 17:45.08 | Kirkburn|afk | Scarily fast |
| 17:45.32 | Kirkburn|afk | Journey's no longer feel like a pain :) |
| 17:45.47 | Kirkburn|afk | minus the apostrophe, of course |
| 17:46.26 | Kirkburn|afk | Surprisingly smooth too, even though I'm running from a USB2 hdd |
| 17:47.32 | Kiphere|Work | nope. |
| 17:48.00 | Kiphere|Work | and better news is my wife apparently decided to buy ALL her last minute christmas presents today putting our account over its limit. |
| 17:48.48 | Kiphere|Work | so I'm gonna head home now to try and MacGyver my leaky house into a non leaky house and hopefully working in the cold, rainy muddy backyard will calm me down. |
| 17:49.13 | Cairenn | =/ |
| 17:49.32 | Kiphere|Work | <shrug> |
| 17:49.42 | Kirkburn|afk | Ouch |
| 17:49.51 | Kiphere|Work | ultimately I"ll just curl up with a nice warm monitor, nice cool beer, and pester cogwheel to cheer myself up later. |
| 17:50.02 | Kiphere|Work | talk to y'all later :P |
| 17:51.13 | Cairenn | later Kiphere|Work |
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| 18:00.55 | Fisker- | :( |
| 18:00.59 | Fisker- | my repgrind in av has come to a halt |
| 18:02.18 | axxo | gz |
| 18:05.08 | Fisker- | as in it lags too much |
| 18:05.20 | Fisker- | so i'm still stuck at half revered with silvermoon |
| 18:05.56 | zenzelezz | I would be thrilled if all I had was lagged |
| 18:06.05 | zenzelezz | instead I get tossed out every 10 minutes :-p |
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| 18:06.32 | zenzelezz | grammar breakdown, but you get the idea |
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| 18:17.45 | foxlit | [Cu]Werik: ping |
| 18:24.03 | Neuro | Any of you have access to the European forums? |
| 18:24.08 | foxlit | I do |
| 18:24.35 | Neuro | can you post a request there for me? I maintain eCastingBar, and I'd really like to get it localized for French, German, and Spanish |
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| 18:25.15 | Neuro | if you could ask people to send me localization files at my email (it's listed on the eCastingBar download page at any of the big three) |
| 18:25.19 | foxlit | Sure, got the text somewhere? :) |
| 18:25.45 | Neuro | which text? the localization, or the request? |
| 18:25.49 | axxo | least you could do it make the txt to copy past eon the forum |
| 18:25.49 | axxo | :) |
| 18:26.18 | foxlit | The request |
| 18:26.25 | Neuro | I am currently looking for localizations for eCastingBar, if anyone wishes to contribute a localization file, send it to me at Neuro_TX@yahoo.com, and I'll try and incorporate it into the next release (which should be around TBC release). |
| 18:26.51 | Neuro | eCastingBar can be found at http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5546-eCastingBarforWoW2.0.html |
| 18:26.51 | foxlit | Hm, curse's "My addon is compatible with this language" broke again :( |
| 18:26.58 | [Cu]Werik | ? |
| 18:27.11 | [Cu]Werik | forwarded |
| 18:27.23 | foxlit | Check "My project is compatible with this language ", click save, no effect. |
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| 18:27.54 | foxlit | And if you click "Save" on something already marked compatible, it clears the flag |
| 18:28.07 | malreth | RWARbaby! |
| 18:28.52 | foxlit | Also, media4. is giving massive 404s :) |
| 18:28.53 | foxlit | [screenshots] |
| 18:28.57 | foxlit | Like http://wow.curse-gaming.com/en/gallery/details/16267/crazy-attack-power-4/ |
| 18:29.01 | malreth | argh! i left my wrist brace at home! |
| 18:29.44 | axxo | i like how those urls have random numbers in them for dramatic effect |
| 18:30.15 | [Cu]Werik | Though, those numbers arent random actually:) |
| 18:30.41 | axxo | well either the name or the number is redudant |
| 18:32.03 | Kirov | guessing the name |
| 18:33.28 | KiphereCE|Sleepi | <sigh> |
| 18:34.02 | KiphereCE | well, I don't have what i need to fix the hole in my house. |
| 18:34.08 | zenzelezz | I know I'm being picky, but I'm really getting annoyed at the lack of a blue post about the mass DCs on a certain battlegroup... been 24 hours now, so they have to be aware of it |
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| 18:35.11 | KiphereCE | given the slightly increased hostility on the forums lately, I doubt they're paying a lot of attention to the posts in between the 'omg honor =30% = 100% nurf" and the "I'm paper, nerf scissors" |
| 18:35.53 | Kevorkian | OMG don't nerf the scissors, they totally get PWNd already by stinkin' rocks! |
| 18:35.57 | foxlit | Contrary to popular belief, scissors really do need a nerf |
| 18:36.03 | foxlit | So sharp! |
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| 18:36.13 | zenzelezz | I don't expect a big "this is what's wrong" post, but would appreciate a "we know there's a problem, chill or try another realm until it's solved" post :-p |
| 18:36.17 | KiphereCE | hey, you'd prolly change your mind if you ran with them for a bit. |
| 18:36.25 | kergoth | nerf rocks, anyone who's seen braveheart has seen plenty of folks smashing heads in with them |
| 18:36.39 | KiphereCE | zenze, they cant do that without being completely obliterated by the ravenous forum jockeys |
| 18:36.43 | Kevorkian | sorry fox, after level 60 the sharp ability can't freaking compare to the crush ability of rocks, which is totally overpowered |
| 18:36.56 | axxo | nerf players |
| 18:37.03 | axxo | nerf non-npcs |
| 18:37.11 | KiphereCE | paper is all about CC. |
| 18:37.18 | foxlit | Kip, this might be interesting to you, by the way |
| 18:37.19 | foxlit | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6174 |
| 18:37.34 | zenzelezz | KiphereCE: yeah, I know, I just get paranoid when my realm(s) is having problems and I don't see a blue post about it =D Zomg conspiracy!! |
| 18:39.15 | KiphereCE | blah, another case of "I thought of it first" heh |
| 18:39.21 | KiphereCE | pretty much all my ideas have been done. |
| 18:39.28 | KiphereCE | only a few of my artistic concepts havnt. |
| 18:39.36 | KiphereCE | but most people don't care about bling, just function |
| 18:40.28 | KiphereCE | even my fan menu idea could have been done with flexbar and patience. |
| 18:40.46 | zenzelezz | ew, there's that word again |
| 18:40.57 | KiphereCE | patience? :p |
| 18:41.03 | zenzelezz | yes |
| 18:41.12 | Neuro | patience, yeah yeah, how long does that take? |
| 18:42.42 | KiphereCE | you the type of person who stands in front of his microwave tapping his foot and muttering "C'mon I don't have all MINUTE!" |
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| 18:43.15 | Tierrie|Work | Cairenn: is there any way to delete posts made in your interfaces's foruM? |
| 18:43.25 | zenzelezz | I don't use microwaves... every smart person knows they're actually secret mind stealing devices! |
| 18:43.42 | Cairenn | Tierrie|Work: yes, what needs to be deleted? |
| 18:43.45 | Neuro | yes, but you have to have a mind to steal, first |
| 18:43.56 | zenzelezz | I used to |
| 18:44.01 | zenzelezz | but then I used a microwave :-( |
| 18:44.13 | zenzelezz | I'm not going to make that mistake again |
| 18:44.16 | Kevorkian | I uz macrowives all de tim and id don't steel mi mind |
| 18:44.24 | Neuro | self-awareness, or quick popcorn? Popcorn tastes sooo good |
| 18:44.25 | Cairenn | lol |
| 18:44.35 | Tierrie|Work | The comments that mention MetaHUD -- that bugger took Markus's code and didn't even properly credit him |
| 18:44.51 | Cairenn | linkage? |
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| 18:45.10 | Neuro | and come on, self-awareness is overrated. Look where it got Van Gogh, Hemingway, et al. |
| 18:45.19 | Tierrie|Work | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4506#cmnt23282 |
| 18:45.28 | Kevorkian | to be fair neuro, aware or not we all end up dead |
| 18:45.29 | KiphereCE | if you need to be self aware, just strip at the mall. |
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| 18:46.07 | Neuro | Kevorkian, exactly! So you might as well use a microwave to enjoy life more! |
| 18:46.15 | Kevorkian | kiphere: that's freaking brilliant, now go convince some cheerleaders to be self aware |
| 18:46.44 | Kevorkian | preferably at a mall near me |
| 18:46.51 | Neuro | Kevorkian, that's easy, just whip out a video camera, 20 bucks, and a "Girls Gone Wild" t-shirt |
| 18:47.21 | Neuro | btw, the 20 bucks is for a bottle of Boone's Strawberry |
| 18:47.39 | Neuro | well, bottles, plural |
| 18:48.07 | Neuro | could be worse |
| 18:48.11 | Neuro | could be MadDog |
| 18:48.28 | Tierrie|Work | Cairenn: i don't have this nick registered :( my home computer has it |
| 18:48.31 | Tierrie|Work | but let me ghost its ass |
| 18:48.45 | Cairenn | ah |
| 18:49.00 | Neuro | interestingly enough, my friends and I came up with a good rule-of-thumb regarding alcohol and Mad Dog 20/20 |
| 18:49.41 | Neuro | If you can find alcohol cheaper than MD 20/20, don't buy it, because Maddog is as cheap as you can legally make alcohol |
| 18:49.51 | Tierrie | annoying prats that took Drathal's code and only credited him as "the other author" they didn't even mention his name! |
| 18:50.25 | Bouvi | Are you talking about that link? |
| 18:50.32 | Tierrie | ah no :( |
| 18:50.55 | Bouvi | Ahhh kk. I think I need to go back home.... :) I am tired today. |
| 18:51.11 | Kirov | is it cheaper than the 99cent bottles of wine from Trader Joes? |
| 18:51.33 | Neuro | if not, then beware those bottles |
| 18:51.48 | Neuro | anything cheaper than Mad Dog has cut some drastic corners |
| 18:52.13 | Neuro | either that, or it's about to go rancid |
| 18:56.18 | KiphereCE | I remember spending 1.50 on a litre of soju in korea. |
| 18:56.53 | KiphereCE | we'd buy two of em and just mix some koolaid powder into it and drink it straight from the bottle on the way down to the club to play for the night |
| 18:57.14 | Inside | liiiiiiviiiiiiiiiing daaaaaaaaaangeeeeerous |
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| 18:57.43 | Bouvi | What part of korea? I spent a couple of weeks at Osan Airforce Base back in 99. Did martial arts demos all over the base and in Seoul. |
| 18:57.52 | Tierrie|Work | so Cairenn you were saying yesterday that 80% of the time working on the configuration is not too much time? |
| 18:57.57 | KiphereCE | I was stationed in Waigwon |
| 18:58.08 | KiphereCE | but I worked all over for about a year and a half. |
| 18:58.28 | Bouvi | Cool place. I enjoyed my time there |
| 18:58.54 | KiphereCE | from osan to the DMZ and the island who's name I cant remember because I was drunk when I left for it, drunk while there and woke up at home. |
| 18:58.57 | Cairenn | Tierrie|Work: what you asked was "it is wrong that I spend more of my time working on my UI than I do playing", to which pretty much everyone in this channel will tell you "no, sounds right to me" |
| 18:59.25 | KiphereCE | I've played maybe 3 hours in the last 2 weeks. |
| 18:59.27 | Bouvi | I am ALWAYS tweeking my UI. |
| 18:59.43 | KiphereCE | and I'm writing/editing stuff 3-6 hours a night pretty much while I teach myself this junk |
| 18:59.46 | Tierrie|Work | do you mean you're tweaking your ui's ui? |
| 19:00.16 | Tierrie|Work | Cairenn: I meant my ui's ui |
| 19:00.20 | KiphereCE | I'm in a bit of a slump at the moment because everything I wanted to do I've found being done already ;) |
| 19:00.26 | Tierrie|Work | as in my UI's config screen |
| 19:00.38 | KiphereCE | notepad? ;) |
| 19:00.52 | KiphereCE | your ui gui |
| 19:00.59 | KiphereCE | pronounced youee gooey! |
| 19:01.12 | Bouvi | I work on my gooey |
| 19:01.36 | Bouvi | There is just no way that sounds good |
| 19:03.11 | KiphereCE | whats the hunter pet sitE? petopia or petopedia, something like that...? |
| 19:03.32 | Cairenn | http://petopia.brashendeavors.net/ |
| 19:03.54 | KiphereCE | didnt he have a normal domain at one point? |
| 19:04.11 | Cairenn | dunno, that's the one I've always gone to |
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| 19:09.01 | KiphereCE | man, first time I've been tempted away from playin a paladin at tbc launch. |
| 19:09.09 | Kirov | cairenn - moving the search button = evil |
| 19:09.12 | KiphereCE | lookin at the new pets/abilities, a belf hunter with a dragonhawk hatchling is perty |
| 19:09.25 | Kirov | I went in to panic mode the other day when I couldn't find it where it usually was |
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| 19:10.01 | Cairenn | that's actually where it normally is, it just gets moved when we force "lite" mode |
| 19:11.42 | Kirov | Cairenn - i usually force lite mode on myself, like it better |
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| 19:16.04 | Gnarfoz | anyone with a beta account around? |
| 19:16.45 | Gnarfoz | can someone please tell me if the icon for "Ancient Lichen" (herb) is working fine ingame? or perhaps even show me a screenshot of it? (preferably as large as possible, i.e. 64x64) |
| 19:17.12 | Bouvi | Sorry at work atm cannot get into BC right now or I would for you. |
| 19:18.06 | Gnarfoz | :) ^^ |
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| 19:22.13 | malreth | i wonder if i could tie the ocean to your knees |
| 19:25.47 | weab | Gnarfoz: you mean since this patch or something? |
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| 19:29.22 | Gnarfoz | weab: no, not specifically |
| 19:29.46 | Gnarfoz | I only have live 2.0.1 to work with, and it's like that there |
| 19:30.09 | weab | it's like what? |
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| 19:30.51 | Gnarfoz | oh, said that in a different chan |
| 19:30.59 | weab | it looked fine to me two patches ago. I may have one in the bank |
| 19:30.59 | Gnarfoz | every two lines there are 2 lines of white pixels |
| 19:31.04 | Gnarfoz | when I try to convert it |
| 19:31.11 | KiphereCE | they borked the anchorframe stuff on the combat window in beta :p |
| 19:31.24 | Gnarfoz | (after extracting it with the blizzard UI kit, and then trying to convert it with any converter available) |
| 19:31.47 | malreth | Gnarfoz: are you sure that even though the pixels are there and are colored white that they aren't alpha shaded to be essentially invisible? |
| 19:32.15 | Gnarfoz | yes, at least my memory says so |
| 19:32.28 | malreth | i can get different results from the same graphic depending on if I open it up in Preview.app or Photoshop (on my Mac) |
| 19:32.52 | weab | Gnarfoz: do you remember the icon's texture name offhand? |
| 19:33.05 | Gnarfoz | not off-hand, but it's INV_Misc_Herb_AncientLichen |
| 19:33.08 | Gnarfoz | ;p |
| 19:33.17 | amro | an apt-get for wow addons would rock :) |
| 19:33.46 | Gnarfoz | hm malreth indeed my memory lied to me. it's 100% transparent in those parts |
| 19:33.52 | Gnarfoz | still. you can't make out any details |
| 19:34.13 | malreth | i'm converting that icon here on my computer... i've got the 2.0.1 texture |
| 19:35.02 | Gnarfoz | http://local.geektour.de/ancient_weirdness.png |
| 19:35.02 | malreth | Preview.app mangles it when it's been converted to a png |
| 19:35.09 | Gnarfoz | looks like that for me |
| 19:35.27 | malreth | yeah... looks the same in photoshop for me |
| 19:36.01 | malreth | it's probably not being converted correctly |
| 19:36.23 | Gnarfoz | yeah but did blizzard change anything in the BLP format? (who knows) |
| 19:36.24 | KiphereCE | they deffinitely messed somethin up in beta rofl. |
| 19:36.28 | Gnarfoz | and it's only that texture, none else |
| 19:36.40 | weab | notice it's screwed up at thott too |
| 19:36.41 | weab | http://thottbot.com/beta?s=lichen |
| 19:36.43 | KiphereCE | my auto attack looks like bread, my drink looks like a sword, my blessing of might looks like a cat. |
| 19:36.51 | Industrial | http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/870/wowscrnshot122006203514nd0.jpg |
| 19:36.59 | Industrial | i fucking hate it when people do that |
| 19:37.00 | Gnarfoz | they just use the same extracted textures, if it's a converter thing, they'll be just as affected |
| 19:37.10 | Industrial | *poof unmount* shoot im dead |
| 19:37.13 | Industrial | :| |
| 19:37.38 | weab | Gnarfoz: I know, just additional confirmation something weird is going on |
| 19:37.42 | Gnarfoz | hehe |
| 19:37.42 | Industrial | take a hint fomr your chat f*ckface |
| 19:38.28 | malreth | our kitten ate my fiancee's very favorite plant today |
| 19:38.34 | malreth | she's furious |
| 19:38.39 | zenzelezz | lol |
| 19:38.49 | malreth | she's been working hard every day to keep that orchid happy |
| 19:39.02 | malreth | woke up today to find it chewed to pieces |
| 19:39.03 | weab | Gnarfoz: Looks completely fine in game |
| 19:39.12 | weab | do you want a screenshot of it? |
| 19:39.13 | amro | Industrial: happens all the time |
| 19:39.24 | amro | I attack people I know are going to gank me |
| 19:39.40 | Gnarfoz | weab: yes, if you can take one :) (at 1.0 ui scale please ^^ (so the icon _should_ end up being 64x64 pixels big on the screen shot ^^) |
| 19:39.59 | malreth | you have to do 1.0 ui scale at 1024x768 |
| 19:40.32 | Gnarfoz | won't a higher resolution not be the same? |
| 19:40.36 | malreth | nope |
| 19:40.57 | Gnarfoz | Tauren can soon ride raptors. o_O |
| 19:40.59 | malreth | the game internally renders the ui at 1024x768 and then scales it to whatever resolution you're actually runing at |
| 19:41.02 | Industrial | amro: i will so gank every alliance char when im 60 |
| 19:41.04 | zenzelezz | at 1280x1024, 1.0 scale, my 200 units tall healthbar is 204 pixel in screenshots |
| 19:41.07 | Industrial | twice. |
| 19:41.12 | Gnarfoz | zenzelezz: oh. |
| 19:41.23 | amro | Industrial: haha. I go on ganking sprees sometimes :) |
| 19:41.44 | Gnarfoz | I just laugh at the 60s who gank my new character |
| 19:41.57 | Gnarfoz | and gank the next players that are gray to my low level char :P |
| 19:42.00 | weab | man you're going to make this a pain in my ass arent you |
| 19:42.01 | weab | :P |
| 19:42.02 | Malivil | I just play on a PvE server. |
| 19:42.24 | amro | i wouldnt stand playing on a pvp server. I go pick a fight if I go too long without PvP |
| 19:42.26 | Gnarfoz | weab: nah, just want it to be the same quality as the rest of the icons I did for cartographer_herbalism |
| 19:42.34 | amro | pvE* |
| 19:42.48 | Gnarfoz | (which were also extracted, but they had no errors when converted) |
| 19:43.18 | malreth | it'd really be cool if Blizzard included a blp converter with their UI toolkit |
| 19:43.24 | amro | Gnarfoz: It has an extra transparent layer? |
| 19:43.24 | Industrial | yeah but im not really concerned about the ganking itself |
| 19:43.27 | Gnarfoz | that would be f'ing sweet |
| 19:43.32 | weab | i'm on a widescreen macbook. now i have to change my screenshot button from f12 or its just going to do expose things since it has to be windowed :p |
| 19:43.36 | Industrial | more about the idiocy of people that cant take hints from my emotes |
| 19:43.40 | Industrial | NO means NO |
| 19:43.45 | amro | lol |
| 19:43.46 | Gnarfoz | weab: /script Screenshot() ? |
| 19:43.50 | Gnarfoz | don't know if that works but... ;D |
| 19:43.59 | Industrial | I teamed up with this alliance priest |
| 19:44.12 | Industrial | and a warlock fucker comes by and kills here while i scream at him he shouldnt |
| 19:44.19 | amro | hehe |
| 19:44.21 | Industrial | <lots of rage> |
| 19:44.21 | weab | hm. good point |
| 19:44.26 | amro | I love teaming up with alliance, over IRC |
| 19:44.27 | Gnarfoz | amro: http://i12.tinypic.com/30agtqv.jpg :)) (instead of the normal ones with black borders and stuff, which are actually used for inventory display. the normal ones look horrible on the world or minimap) |
| 19:44.38 | weab | i know they changed it to either protected or requiring hardware a while ago |
| 19:44.58 | Gnarfoz | an enter keypress on the chat edit box is a hardware event |
| 19:45.00 | Gnarfoz | is it not? :) |
| 19:45.06 | zenzelezz | although I think ganking sucks, if you have a problem with it then don't play on a PvP server |
| 19:45.12 | Gnarfoz | zenzelezz: word |
| 19:45.20 | weab | yes |
| 19:45.20 | Gnarfoz | I would be bored to death on PvE |
| 19:45.21 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 19:45.22 | Industrial | Anyone here play on Grom Batol EU? |
| 19:45.32 | Industrial | besited haste :p |
| 19:45.36 | Industrial | besides* |
| 19:45.39 | amro | Industrial: check for an IRC channel for your realm |
| 19:45.44 | amro | if there isnt one, create it |
| 19:45.46 | kergoth | i like ganking people at least somewaht near in level |
| 19:45.51 | kergoth | not a fan of ganking greys |
| 19:46.21 | amro | same here. unless they're pallies |
| 19:46.41 | Industrial | howcome my wand does 40 damage on a 32 (orange) and 6-10 on a 33 (red) mob? |
| 19:46.50 | Industrial | thx blizzard :p |
| 19:47.01 | amro | resistances go up fast |
| 19:47.04 | zenzelezz | better resistance |
| 19:47.20 | Gnarfoz | weab: are you taking the screenshot on the newest beta build? I just read they changed the icon in the last push |
| 19:47.24 | Kevorkian | try a wand of a different damage type |
| 19:47.24 | amro | same reason 80% of your spells will get resisted by a level 60 while a rogue can cheapshot a 60 most of the time |
| 19:47.30 | weab | Gnarfoz: Yes. |
| 19:47.33 | Gnarfoz | great :) |
| 19:47.46 | weab | i'll upload it for ya in a sec. |
| 19:48.06 | Gnarfoz | no hurry :0 |
| 19:48.07 | Bouvi | Weab just use Shift-Apple-3 |
| 19:48.07 | Gnarfoz | :) |
| 19:48.39 | Kevorkian | amro: depends on the mob type, some mobs (like the couriers/postmen in strat) are difficult to melee as well |
| 19:48.59 | Gnarfoz | haha, they changed the maexxna spider in outlands |
| 19:49.05 | Gnarfoz | doesn't look like maexxna anymore |
| 19:49.47 | amro | Kevorkian: I was giving PvP as an example :) it's easy to hit with melee, but harder to use spells in general |
| 19:50.37 | weab | http://www.wobbles.org/temp/lichen.jpg |
| 19:50.40 | weab | first item in that bag |
| 19:51.27 | Gnarfoz | err, that's a tad... small? :D (sorry to be bitching around ;D) |
| 19:51.58 | Industrial | thats 1024x768? |
| 19:52.00 | malreth | the ui renders icons that way. it shrinks the texture |
| 19:52.07 | weab | i thought that's what you asked for |
| 19:52.14 | malreth | and the screenshot is 800x600 |
| 19:52.18 | weab | dammit |
| 19:52.24 | malreth | :D |
| 19:52.26 | weab | well i can't do 1280x1024 on this |
| 19:52.35 | Gnarfoz | wait |
| 19:52.52 | weab | so you'll have to make the best of it |
| 19:52.58 | weab | or wait till i get home |
| 19:53.02 | Gnarfoz | thanks for your effort :) |
| 19:53.31 | Gnarfoz | I think there's people around who could just whip up a piece of code that creates a 128x128 frame textured with the texture... scaling it down afterwards is no problem :D |
| 19:53.55 | malreth | Gnarfoz: you don't have a beta account? |
| 19:54.02 | Gnarfoz | no, sadly :\ |
| 19:54.40 | malreth | can't you just download the beta client anyways? i remember downloading the client and patching it up long before I ever got my key |
| 19:55.16 | Gnarfoz | what good would it do, if it's the converter's fault |
| 19:55.35 | weab | maybe the new .blp isnt borked |
| 19:55.38 | weab | want me to upload it? |
| 19:55.42 | malreth | yah... that's what I'm thinking |
| 19:55.54 | Gnarfoz | ah I see where you're going with that thought ^^ |
| 19:55.56 | weab | hm if i have it |
| 19:56.12 | Gnarfoz | you'd need to extract it with blizzards UI extraction kit, it should be there then |
| 19:56.18 | weab | yeah. |
| 19:58.23 | Gnarfoz | http://www.blizzard.com/support/wow/?id=aww01671p if you don't have it |
| 19:58.28 | Gnarfoz | :) (at least I hope that's the 2.0 version) |
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| 20:01.32 | malreth | bah... forum hamsters are dead... |
| 20:02.27 | weab | that appears to have failed |
| 20:02.36 | weab | i know i had it at one point. |
| 20:03.22 | Gnarfoz | that should be the 2.0 version, I just compared the file sized of the 2.0 one I've got and the one linked there |
| 20:04.59 | foxlit | Wonder why blizzard doesn't enforce the runon words part of the naming policy |
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| 20:06.38 | weab | well. it isn't |
| 20:07.17 | weab | it's putting it in my wow folder instead of expansion folder anyway |
| 20:08.19 | weab | not helping that beta.worldofwarcraft.com is down |
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| 20:37.49 | ckknight | hey all |
| 20:38.10 | Industrial | lo ck |
| 20:39.05 | Cairenn | hi ckknight |
| 20:40.06 | Bouvi | Heya ck |
| 20:42.08 | Kirkburn|afk | oooh "Hundreds of episodes from shows in the BBC vault will be made available via the Azureus Zudeo file-sharing network" |
| 20:42.36 | malreth | oh noes: http://virtualnick.vox.com/library/post/what-happens-to-your-body-if-you-drink-a-coke-right-now.html |
| 20:42.45 | Industrial | why not just 'bittorrent' |
| 20:42.46 | Industrial | ? |
| 20:43.29 | Industrial | isnt that like saying "we are in a mIRC channel" ? |
| 20:43.49 | Gnarfoz | there are no mIRC channels |
| 20:43.54 | Gnarfoz | except #mirc, maybe ;D |
| 20:43.56 | weab | that is his point |
| 20:44.16 | foxlit | Let's look up this Zudeo, then |
| 20:44.31 | Gnarfoz | heh |
| 20:44.44 | Gnarfoz | actually, bittorrent is not a network |
| 20:44.53 | Gnarfoz | so the quote is accurate |
| 20:45.02 | Industrial | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:45.19 | amro | which im sure has no linux binary |
| 20:45.28 | Gnarfoz | err? |
| 20:45.31 | Gnarfoz | azureus is java |
| 20:45.38 | Gnarfoz | don't know why zudeo wouldn't be, too |
| 20:45.44 | Gnarfoz | (at least I hope that :D) |
| 20:46.15 | amro | oh |
| 20:46.23 | amro | for some reason i assumed zudeo PLAYED the media |
| 20:46.26 | foxlit | As far as I can tell, zudeo is the platform that provides the list of content |
| 20:46.38 | amro | yeah i just looked it up |
| 20:47.33 | Industrial | +17 Shadow Spell Damage, does that mean my SW:P does 15 more damage per tick or total? |
| 20:47.38 | Industrial | 17* |
| 20:47.50 | weab | total |
| 20:47.59 | Industrial | and what about Mind Flay? |
| 20:48.07 | weab | same |
| 20:48.19 | weab | although mind flay may not be a long enough effect to get the full bonus |
| 20:48.19 | Industrial | meh |
| 20:48.28 | weab | i forget the specifics |
| 20:48.55 | weab | per tick would be insane. you'd get sw:p from better geared people for like 800 a tick |
| 20:49.05 | Industrial | I think ill keep my +10 int +6 spi |
| 20:49.17 | Industrial | :p |
| 20:49.28 | amro | +dmg isn't great at lower levels |
| 20:50.27 | Industrial | im 29 now |
| 20:50.37 | Industrial | (omg im almost hafway) |
| 20:52.16 | amro | go BG for awhile |
| 20:52.23 | amro | its a lot of fun in the lower brackets :) |
| 20:52.41 | Industrial | hm I just bought +24 spirit for 1g total |
| 20:52.52 | Industrial | :D |
| 20:53.09 | amro | I don't look for spirit when I buy items, for my mage though |
| 20:53.28 | Kirkburn|afk | More context to earlier poaste: "Zudeo, a service comparable to Google's YouTube, provides users the ability to upload video content to be streamed over the web. The difference between YouTube and Zudeo is that Zudeo is capable of providing high-definition content. Though to access Zudeo videos, you will need to download software from Azureus." |
| 20:53.30 | amro | I pack more stamina than any other mage my level wearing gear that's 10 levels old |
| 20:53.37 | Kirkburn|afk | *paste (poaste?!) |
| 20:54.03 | Industrial | yeah but im priest |
| 20:54.47 | amro | I have about 5 priests, all < 15 |
| 20:54.52 | amro | i could never get into em :( |
| 20:56.37 | Kevorkian | that's because priests suck to solo until you get shadowform. I raised mine with my wife's rogue |
| 20:57.07 | Industrial | No way im leveling quite easily |
| 20:57.07 | Industrial | shield, mind blast, SW:P, wand |
| 20:57.08 | Kevorkian | I didn't say you couldn't do it |
| 20:57.08 | Kevorkian | I said it sucked |
| 20:57.10 | Industrial | 95% mana and hp, next |
| 20:57.23 | amro | yeah, very little downtime |
| 20:57.33 | Kevorkian | yes, but it takes for bloody ever |
| 20:57.34 | amro | but im on a heavy pvp activity server |
| 20:57.41 | amro | i need all the stam i can get my hands on |
| 20:57.42 | Kevorkian | compare it to a rogue |
| 20:57.51 | Industrial | well yah |
| 20:58.15 | amro | as a frost mage, im basically doing 333333333333 |
| 20:58.25 | amro | with the occasional frost nova, and some aoeing |
| 20:59.09 | Kevorkian | mmm frost mage can spend most of their time AOEing :) That's the beauty of frost magednessifying things |
| 21:00.05 | amro | there aren't aoe friendly mob camps at all levels |
| 21:00.17 | Kevorkian | so sad but true |
| 21:00.23 | amro | I have yet to find a camp as good as the hillsbrad farmers |
| 21:00.55 | amro | when I hit 50, i will live in felstone field/sorrow hill |
| 21:01.23 | Kevorkian | before that you can kill furbies |
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| 21:01.31 | amro | felwood? |
| 21:01.40 | Kevorkian | yep |
| 21:01.58 | Kevorkian | good for furby faction too, just watch out for the darn pathfinders. they ranged |
| 21:02.41 | Kevorkian | my wife and I have a pair of ice mages, we go to the north camp and kill 6 at a time |
| 21:02.59 | Kevorkian | although since we dropped ice shield that might be harder now |
| 21:03.01 | Industrial | http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/5830/wowscrnshot122006220213oq8.jpg |
| 21:03.03 | Kevorkian | I may have to respec that in |
| 21:03.03 | Industrial | isnt she pretty? |
| 21:03.51 | zenzelezz | looks fairly skin and bones |
| 21:04.13 | Industrial | the most evil undead I could make :D |
| 21:05.07 | amro | face looks like a dude :P |
| 21:05.16 | amro | dude's |
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| 21:55.58 | Tierrie|Work | you know what i'd like to do is jump out my work window and run home screaming until i am done logging in |
| 21:57.55 | Bouvi | I am getting ready to run screaming |
| 21:58.14 | Bouvi | Here I go as a matter of fact. Catch you all later. |
| 21:58.25 | Cairenn | later Bouvi |
| 22:15.07 | Roladon | Wow I need some help here. If something is just letters such as GetNumAvailableQuests its a varriable correct? |
| 22:15.22 | Roladon | because Im still learning LUA and am used to C++ |
| 22:18.54 | Roladon | Anyone? |
| 22:19.03 | Iriel | Roladon: It's a reference to a variable, yes |
| 22:19.21 | Iriel | (Except for one case, and that's inside a table initializer) |
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| 22:19.43 | Iriel | (Well, technically two cases, since lua's keywords are also just letters) |
| 22:20.36 | Iriel | And, since you're used to C++, this is probably going to be useful to you..... |
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| 22:20.58 | Roladon | ok |
| 22:21.11 | Roladon | so do i need to tag it in any way or leave it exatly the way it is? |
| 22:21.13 | Iriel | Variable references are either to locals (declared before the point they're referenced in the current or an enclosing block), in which case they are bound at compile time |
| 22:21.26 | Roladon | Im trying to write a mod to automaticly trun in a qurst and re accecpt it |
| 22:21.35 | Iriel | Or else they're globals in which case they're evaluated at runtime |
| 22:21.49 | Iriel | If you want to use a global function you just use it, you dont have to declare your intent to do so |
| 22:22.03 | Iriel | local num = GetNumAvailableQuests(); |
| 22:22.04 | Roladon | wait its a function like ()? |
| 22:22.05 | Iriel | for example |
| 22:22.15 | Roladon | because the API doesnt have the () |
| 22:22.29 | Roladon | so i figured it was a varriable, but it isnt working |
| 22:22.37 | Iriel | It's a function |
| 22:22.42 | Roladon | ok |
| 22:22.49 | Roladon | WoW wikki is just lame then :-P |
| 22:22.54 | Iriel | If you go out and grab my DevTools addon (See www.wowinterface.com) you can answer questions like that |
| 22:23.07 | Iriel | It's not lame, it just requires a lot of effort to keep it up to date, please go in and correct things that are wrong |
| 22:23.18 | Iriel | e.g. /dump GetNumAvailableQuests |
| 22:23.21 | Iriel | that'd tell you it was a function |
| 22:24.01 | Bleetah | Iriel: seeing you're about, quick noob question re: devtools. if I've dragged the window offscren (by some stupid noob move), how do I get it back onscreen? |
| 22:24.15 | Bleetah | Iriel: I tried fiddling with the layout-cache thing, but no banana |
| 22:24.28 | Iriel | Bleetah: Which window? the event trace? |
| 22:24.35 | Roladon | And When i talk to the NPC QUEST_GREETING is never fired, just GOSSIP_SHOW |
| 22:24.37 | Iriel | Bleetah: does /dtevents bring it back for you? |
| 22:24.41 | Bleetah | Iriel: yeah, osrry, should've been specific. the even trace |
| 22:24.52 | Roladon | and it says this function is only useable acter QUEST_GREETING |
| 22:25.07 | Bleetah | Iriel: no, it doesn't |
| 22:25.20 | Iriel | Roladon: Is that because the NPC has more than one quest? |
| 22:25.40 | Roladon | he has 3 |
| 22:25.51 | Roladon | so is it not possible to do what i want because of this? |
| 22:26.19 | Iriel | Bleetah: Hm, try EventTraceVisualFrame:SetClampedToScreen(1) |
| 22:26.44 | Bleetah | Iriel: good stuff, worked :) |
| 22:26.46 | Iriel | Roladon: Your code may need to get smarter, to query the gossip and find what quests are available.. I've only touched the very edges of the quest code tho |
| 22:26.57 | Bleetah | i always forget that clampedtoscreen :) |
| 22:27.12 | Roladon | yah this is where i got lost |
| 22:27.21 | Roladon | I at least figured out rep tracking |
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| 22:28.15 | Roladon | here is a bit of background, i have writen a mod to track rep with wintersaber trainers and tell you how many quests you have left to do. As well as track your current quest progress inside a GUI |
| 22:28.37 | Roladon | now i want to add the functanilty to automaticly compleate and reaccecpt the quest when you right click himn |
| 22:29.25 | Roladon | omg im an idiot |
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| 22:29.47 | Roladon | I missed right under the Quest functions header the See also: Gossip Functions |
| 22:29.49 | Roladon | Lawl |
| 22:31.03 | Roladon | MIT student, most likely to create Artifical Intilgience.....Baffled by a scripting lanuage |
| 22:32.49 | Inside | Being smart != being knowledgeable or having common sense. |
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| 22:33.31 | Roladon | so true |
| 22:33.49 | Roladon | Common sense is something that waved bye bye to Ryan a long time ago.... |
| 22:34.07 | Roladon | Ryan playes with Cessium and water frequently |
| 22:34.55 | Gnarfoz | that's fun. |
| 22:34.56 | Gnarfoz | :p |
| 22:35.30 | Bleetah | don't get me started about AI :-P |
| 22:35.59 | Roladon | When they say returns a list of aviable quests, it means an array correct? |
| 22:36.41 | Roladon | so I would access it with something like foo[0]? |
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| 22:40.49 | Inside | Yes. |
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| 22:41.58 | Shadowed | So I take it they havn't said why the forums keep dying yet? |
| 22:42.47 | Roladon | is nill a global var? |
| 22:42.59 | Roladon | erm keyword |
| 22:43.00 | foxlit | nill == nil! |
| 22:43.04 | Roladon | lol |
| 22:43.07 | Roladon | no wonder |
| 22:43.37 | Iriel | A list is a list |
| 22:43.40 | Iriel | like 1,2,3,4,5 |
| 22:43.59 | Iriel | If you want an array you'd do local arr = { WhateverCreatesAList(); } |
| 22:44.06 | Roladon | so it will return a string not a string array? |
| 22:44.17 | Iriel | then you'd reference arr as arr[1] arr[2] etc (lua arrays are 1-based not 0-based) |
| 22:44.29 | Inside | FOOD ME. |
| 22:44.58 | Roladon | because if its supposted to return more than 1 item, it still only returns one |
| 22:45.06 | Roladon | at least when printed as a string |
| 22:45.44 | Iriel | nil is a keyword, one l |
| 22:46.10 | Iriel | Roladon: because it's returning a list, try putting {}'s around the call... here's a simple example |
| 22:46.18 | Iriel | function X() return "apple", "cat", "peach" end |
| 22:46.25 | Iriel | local X = X() |
| 22:46.32 | Iriel | I mean local x = X() |
| 22:46.37 | Iriel | x == "apple" |
| 22:46.41 | Iriel | local x,y,z = X() |
| 22:46.49 | Iriel | x == "apple" y == "cat" z == "peach" |
| 22:46.53 | Iriel | local x = { X(); } |
| 22:47.05 | Iriel | x is an array, x[1] == "apple" x[2] == "cat" x[3] == "peach" |
| 22:48.17 | Inside | You need to create an array that refferences itself. |
| 22:48.45 | Inside | array["lol"] = array |
| 22:48.47 | Inside | array.lol.lol.lol.lol.lol.lol |
| 22:49.17 | Roladon | oh I should probly read the LUA doc....!= != ~= |
| 22:49.18 | Roladon | lokl |
| 22:54.14 | Roladon | is it while (args) do funstions end? |
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| 22:57.24 | Roladon | hummm |
| 22:57.55 | Roladon | AccecptQuest() isnt working >.< |
| 22:58.47 | Roladon | it works when i type it in /scriopt though :( |
| 22:58.51 | Roladon | is Blizz blocking it? |
| 22:58.56 | foxlit | hardware event? |
| 22:59.34 | Roladon | I really dont know |
| 22:59.58 | Roladon | why would they block it though? |
| 23:00.51 | foxlit | To prevent automated interaction with npcs? |
| 23:00.53 | Gnarfoz | not block, but requiring a hardware event |
| 23:01.37 | Roladon | so I would have to say click a button to make it work? |
| 23:01.48 | Roladon | Im totaly new to coding addons |
| 23:02.21 | foxlit | Probably |
| 23:02.32 | foxlit | It could just be that you're calling them in quick succession and the server doesn't manage to sync |
| 23:02.39 | foxlit | ./client |
| 23:03.47 | Roladon | so in that case is there a delay() or should I just while loop a few times? |
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| 23:06.55 | foxlit | There isn't a direct delay(), and while()ing it would hang wow while you do it |
| 23:12.47 | Roladon | go figure |
| 23:12.52 | Roladon | Well i found a way arround it |
| 23:13.09 | Roladon | just registerd QUEST_DETAIl and wait to accept untill that is called |
| 23:13.59 | Roladon | Is their a function to talk to an NPC? IE open the window again? |
| 23:18.30 | Roladon | woah, this just blew my mind |
| 23:18.41 | Roladon | a function can return more than 1 item? |
| 23:20.02 | xgravix | yes |
| 23:20.48 | KiphereCE | yar |
| 23:20.54 | Roladon | ok, Im sure there is an easier method to chesk if a quest is compleated than running through the sub utems and checking if they are done |
| 23:21.00 | KiphereCE | tbc release is gonna be... interesting |
| 23:21.29 | KiphereCE | I'm betting on 1-3 days of downtime minimum. |
| 23:23.04 | seebs | Hey, this is sort of off-topic, but: Anyone here know anything about Windows disk permissions? |
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| 23:25.39 | Iriel | KiphereCE: I dont see why TBC would involve significant downtime, most of the code and likely content is already up on the live servers |
| 23:25.59 | ckknight | Iriel, why'd they go and change the TOC to 20003? |
| 23:26.06 | foxlit | You are, badically, already playing TBC |
| 23:26.21 | foxlit | s/bad/bas/ |
| 23:26.32 | ckknight | Iriel, also, did they not test the FloatingChatFrame? I got an error as soon as I moved it |
| 23:26.34 | xgravix | yea |
| 23:26.37 | ckknight | meh |
| 23:26.40 | ckknight | just venting |
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| 23:28.15 | Gnarfoz | Iriel: at least acc management will be heavily overloaded, my guess ;> |
| 23:29.05 | Roladon | Syntax question: |
| 23:29.23 | Roladon | if i have an if statement, how do I add an else statement? |
| 23:29.29 | Roladon | is it before the if's end? |
| 23:29.36 | Roladon | and does it require a then? |
| 23:30.14 | Gnarfoz | if then else else else end |
| 23:30.25 | Gnarfoz | ... I think |
| 23:30.28 | Roladon | what |
| 23:30.30 | Roladon | so like |
| 23:30.39 | Roladon | if (foo == foobar) then |
| 23:30.42 | Roladon | bla(); |
| 23:30.44 | Roladon | else |
| 23:30.46 | Gnarfoz | if x then y else z else a else b end |
| 23:30.49 | Roladon | BlaBla(); |
| 23:30.50 | Gnarfoz | is what I meant ^^ |
| 23:30.50 | Roladon | end |
| 23:30.58 | Gnarfoz | yep |
| 23:31.01 | Roladon | ok |
| 23:31.14 | Roladon | and for each statement im guessing rejquires a new else |
| 23:31.18 | Roladon | since there isnt a then |
| 23:31.22 | Roladon | or { }'s |
| 23:32.39 | xgravix | would kill to read the manual i guess |
| 23:33.28 | Kaso | "UIParent.lua:173 RegisterForSave() is only avaiable to Blizzard scripts" -- woops, i think ive really fucked it up this time |
| 23:33.49 | foxlit | Roladon: if expr then ... else ... end |
| 23:34.04 | foxlit | Or, alternatively if expr then ... elseif expr then ... end |
| 23:37.02 | ckknight | Kaso, I'd check out TaintChecker if I were you |
| 23:37.12 | ckknight | Kaso, could be useful in tracking down the issue |
| 23:37.37 | Kaso | i know what the issue is, i forgot i did a Metatable hook in this old addon i just enabled |
| 23:37.45 | Kaso | that cant be good for the new security |
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| 23:40.13 | ckknight | Kaso, definitely not |
| 23:41.04 | Kaso | i think that addon is dead then |
| 23:54.48 | KiphereCE | I am lonely for dance. pretty veil with money belt make happy on pole. I <3 america |
| 23:56.28 | KiphereCE | \o\ \o/ /o/ |
| 23:56.46 | KiphereCE | wife redeemed herself. |
| 23:56.59 | KiphereCE | :P food |
| 23:57.04 | Dhraga | nn all |
| 23:57.11 | Cairenn | night Dhraga |
| 23:57.12 | KiphereCE | ttfn |
| 23:57.18 | KiphereCE | syitm |
| 23:57.37 | KiphereCE | got a weird graphical error on beta, but reloading fixed it and it hasn't come back |
| 23:57.45 | KiphereCE | all my spell icons were whackky or missing. |
| 23:59.55 | KiphereCE | rooms hoppin right now, hate to leave the party but... afk ;) |
