| 00:00.01 | Amadeo | It's already done in the beta, as far as I know |
| 00:00.01 | cladhaire | that tells me 30 seconds before i go afk |
| 00:00.04 | cladhaire | so i can move the mouse? |
| 00:00.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | i think it's a local place, clad |
| 00:00.09 | Cide | bleetah: huh? |
| 00:00.16 | Amadeo | the Felguard is weaker, Soul Link was brought down to 20% |
| 00:00.22 | Amadeo | not sure if they kept those changes or not though |
| 00:00.32 | bleetah | Cide: weird thing here, minimizing the minimap leaves the CT2 icon out ;) |
| 00:00.40 | Cide | that's intended |
| 00:00.48 | bleetah | dunno if it's local or generic problem, just mumbling aimlessly during caffeination |
| 00:00.50 | bleetah | ah, k |
| 00:01.06 | End | the CT2 icon isn't quite tied to the minimap anymore |
| 00:01.25 | Cide | it's anchored but not parented |
| 00:01.37 | bleetah | i'll tell guildies to stfu about it then ;) |
| 00:01.45 | Cide | I could make it parented while it is attached to the minimap if that's better |
| 00:01.50 | End | well, and you can move it anywhere you want to now, I think? |
| 00:01.56 | Cide | yes, End |
| 00:02.15 | bleetah | oh, it's more just the plebs in the guild think it's broken 'coz 'it didn't use to do that' :-/ users! bah! |
| 00:02.53 | Cide | you couldn't move it away from the minimap before either :) |
| 00:03.31 | bleetah | yeah, but i thought it got hidden when minimap was minimized previously... no biggie, my guildmates pain me enough, let them suffer some |
| 00:03.48 | Cide | it got moved a bit |
| 00:04.12 | Cide | but I don't feel like hardcoding a position when the icon is much more mobile |
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| 00:13.30 | Mike-N-Go | ~auctioneerbeta |
| 00:13.31 | purl | If you go to http://www.auctioneeraddon.com/dl/AuctioneerComplete/ you will find the developer download page where you can download the beta version which is almost completely bug free. If you see any bugs, please report them here. |
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| 00:14.13 | foxlit | Isn't howl of terror on a very long casting time? |
| 00:16.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | 1.5 |
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| 00:16.06 | Guillotine | instant with talents |
| 00:16.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | or instant talented |
| 00:16.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah |
| 00:16.45 | foxlit | Gr. |
| 00:18.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | nothing like getting skillcoiled, feared, shadowfuried before you can even react |
| 00:24.51 | KiphereCE | ZE GOGGLES ZAY DO NOTHINK |
| 00:25.18 | KiphereCE | I <3 fighting locks with my shaman. |
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| 00:25.27 | KiphereCE | hate them on my druid. |
| 00:25.51 | KiphereCE | havnt played my druid in a month or so though so I'd prolly hate fighting anyone at this point |
| 00:26.57 | foxlit | Could someone hunter-looking dump the output of GetPetLoyalty? |
| 00:28.14 | bleetah | yay for referencing non-existant patch notes - at least they won't be the wrong set ;) |
| 00:28.53 | Kirkburn | bleetah, ? |
| 00:30.04 | zenzelezz | it taunts me... 20948 reputation x.x |
| 00:31.14 | bleetah | the PTR patch notes as referenced in the patcher 404's ;) |
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| 00:35.50 | KiphereCE | anyone ever moved a character and use firefox as their browser? |
| 00:35.58 | KiphereCE | I'm clicking th e'move this character' button and it's not doing shit. |
| 00:36.54 | zenzelezz | you're not using any extensions like NoScript? |
| 00:39.16 | bleetah | KiphereCE: I had that problem. Disabling noscript, privoxy, adblock and others didn't help. I gave up and used IE. |
| 00:39.44 | bleetah | (I've previously experienced similar 'fun' on the Blizzard Store site) |
| 00:40.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | <KiphereCE> anyone ever moved a character and use firefox as their browser? |
| 00:40.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | moved, no, PTR copy, yeah |
| 00:40.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | dunno if there's a big diff or what |
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| 00:46.18 | cladhaire | hrm |
| 00:46.20 | cladhaire | i found a new game |
| 00:46.27 | cladhaire | i farm the gnolls in AV while everyone else gets me honor |
| 00:46.30 | cladhaire | its much better than AFking. |
| 00:48.14 | Fisker- | i like my game better |
| 00:49.40 | End | hmm |
| 00:49.45 | End | I might try cladhaire's game |
| 00:49.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | heh there were a couple glider profiles back in the day that killed frostwolves and stuff |
| 00:49.59 | cladhaire | good money if you do the gnolls |
| 00:50.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | they got bitched at so bad by the other gliders |
| 00:50.14 | cladhaire | 3-6s each |
| 00:50.16 | cladhaire | i'm level 32 |
| 00:50.20 | cladhaire | druid cat can grind all day |
| 00:50.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | 32 in av |
| 00:50.37 | Cide | sploiter!! |
| 00:50.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | what |
| 00:50.40 | Cide | reported for hax |
| 00:51.22 | cladhaire | err i mean they're 52 =) |
| 00:51.49 | foxlit | Could someone a guild check that the example code here works? |
| 00:51.50 | foxlit | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetGuildRosterLastOnline |
| 00:52.12 | foxlit | ^ in |
| 00:54.57 | cladhaire | ... |
| 00:55.02 | cladhaire | please tell me conjuredbeer-arthas isn't one of you guys |
| 00:56.00 | ckknight | anyone have any recommendations for a mac music player? Is iTunes my best bet? |
| 00:56.16 | Kirkburn | cladhaire, why? |
| 00:56.26 | cladhaire | ckknight: Its the best, basically |
| 00:56.29 | Kirkburn | ITunes is the devil! |
| 00:56.32 | cladhaire | Kirkburn: Because he's in here farming with me now |
| 00:56.48 | ckknight | Kirkburn, what do I use instead? |
| 00:56.51 | Insa | foxlit: attempt to perform arithmetic on local 'years' (a nil value) |
| 00:57.30 | ckknight | cladhaire can work a hoe with the best of em |
| 00:57.37 | Kirkburn | ckknight, nah, it's only the devil on PCs |
| 00:57.43 | foxlit | Drat, that was one of my more creative exxamples |
| 00:57.44 | ckknight | hrm |
| 00:57.46 | ckknight | okay then |
| 00:57.50 | Kirkburn | I'd go with it |
| 00:58.33 | Kirkburn | Hmm, I wonder what crops they have on Azeroth |
| 00:59.00 | ckknight | Kirkburn, Peacebloom? |
| 00:59.05 | foxlit | Inso: could you refresh and try again? :) |
| 00:59.11 | Insa | ok |
| 00:59.29 | Kirkburn | ckknight, except herbs :) |
| 00:59.47 | ckknight | Kirkburn, hrm, I'd say it'd depend on the area |
| 00:59.52 | Kirkburn | Though a good case could be put forward for Gold being a staple crop |
| 00:59.58 | ckknight | i.e. Mulgore would be a better place to grow than say, Desolace |
| 00:59.59 | Imrcly | hay and corn and barley |
| 01:00.02 | Insa | Beef offline the longest: placeholder (~0 hours) |
| 01:00.04 | Insa | :P |
| 01:00.20 | ckknight | there's gotta be wheat around |
| 01:00.24 | ckknight | and maybe rice |
| 01:00.42 | foxlit | Oh, nevermind, I messed something else :) |
| 01:00.44 | ckknight | granted, you gotta take into account that Azeroth in total is only like 50 square miles of land... |
| 01:01.52 | foxlit | Insa: and once again, please :) |
| 01:02.36 | Insa | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:04.04 | foxlit | Hm, oddness. |
| 01:04.09 | foxlit | Wonder if it even returns years |
| 01:06.42 | Insa | GetGuildRosterInfo(1) returns something, yet GetGuildRosterLastOnline(1) returns nil nil nil nil |
| 01:07.51 | End | every time someone puts power infusion, I stop having people in range to hit |
| 01:07.57 | End | (on me that is) |
| 01:08.17 | Insa | I have the same thing when i active my trinket |
| 01:08.34 | Insa | or my casts never land because people die too fast |
| 01:08.36 | End | this last time, I managed to get one spell off |
| 01:08.53 | End | because everyone had died, and I had to run to find some more people to kill |
| 01:09.19 | foxlit | Insa: that probably means GetGuildRosterInfo(1) is an online person |
| 01:09.46 | Insa | It's an offline one |
| 01:10.20 | Insa | oh |
| 01:10.24 | Insa | nevermind:P |
| 01:11.18 | Mike-N-Go | Is there a way, if wow is in windowed mode, to make child windows :o |
| 01:12.46 | Insa | hmm what addon provides this nice /echo command :P |
| 01:14.43 | foxlit | I've inserted uglified nil checking; even blizzard doesn't seem to assume gracefulness from there |
| 01:15.19 | Insa | I should get a notepad addon again |
| 01:15.24 | Insa | any suggestions? |
| 01:15.35 | Insa | Now it works foxlit:) |
| 01:17.09 | Tuller | uhh, tinypad? |
| 01:18.34 | Insa | Ah yes, that's the one i used before |
| 01:20.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh dear god |
| 01:20.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://imagesocket.com/view/pokemonkimc25.jpg |
| 01:20.36 | cladhaire | OMG!! ROFL!! |
| 01:20.43 | cladhaire | Gold is a cheap at $89.77 on eqclub.com |
| 01:20.47 | cladhaire | i just got those tells |
| 01:20.48 | cladhaire | i hate life |
| 01:21.21 | Mike-N-Go | Why do you hate life? |
| 01:22.31 | foxlit | I suggest the following addon: |
| 01:22.45 | foxlit | based on map coordinate, reshuffle battleground groups so that the most possible auras are shared |
| 01:23.37 | Industrial | :O! |
| 01:23.42 | Industrial | thats pretty cool |
| 01:23.43 | Industrial | heh |
| 01:24.46 | foxlit | That is very cool. |
| 01:25.28 | foxlit | Does swapping people in groups require hardware events? |
| 01:25.46 | Insa | I don't think so |
| 01:26.11 | foxlit | So along with being cool, it's also doable? |
| 01:26.15 | Insa | Think there are some addons where you can whisper the raidleader and it swaps you with player x then |
| 01:27.11 | foxlit | Only problem is that the battleground leader is often pretty arbitrary |
| 01:28.03 | Mike-N-Go | He could make you an asistant. |
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| 01:28.54 | Insa | As an assistant you can't change groups |
| 01:29.08 | Kirkburn | Hey Cairenn |
| 01:29.13 | Cairenn | hey |
| 01:29.21 | foxlit | Ah well, let's assume 100% adoption and peer-pressure |
| 01:29.58 | foxlit | Even the grouping altorithm stinks of coolness. |
| 01:31.39 | seebs | Gold sellers are so mysterious to me. |
| 01:32.05 | Neuro | foxlit, that might be very advantageous, especially if you can just set it up so that you are always grouped with the 5 closest people |
| 01:32.15 | Neuro | well, based on a node tree |
| 01:32.28 | ckknight | where would I get the 1.12 patch for mac? |
| 01:32.40 | Neuro | hmm, that would be an interesting math problem |
| 01:32.46 | cladhaire | ckknight: Log into the game is the best way |
| 01:32.52 | foxlit | Yes, indeed. That's what I'm getting it, really. |
| 01:32.52 | cladhaire | they come down quickly on the directly download |
| 01:32.57 | foxlit | Optimization is rather complex there. |
| 01:32.59 | ckknight | cladhaire, I can't get 2.0, since I want to install TBC |
| 01:33.15 | foxlit | And you could fool around with class selection too |
| 01:33.20 | cladhaire | new puter? |
| 01:33.26 | ckknight | cladhaire, I got a mac! |
| 01:33.33 | cladhaire | heh yay! what model? |
| 01:33.41 | ckknight | MacBook Pro |
| 01:33.45 | cladhaire | 15"? |
| 01:33.48 | cladhaire | secks. |
| 01:33.48 | ckknight | 2.16 GHz |
| 01:33.51 | ckknight | yea, 15" |
| 01:33.58 | ckknight | 1 Gig RAM |
| 01:33.59 | cladhaire | ack |
| 01:34.04 | cladhaire | i only have 1.12.x on |
| 01:34.09 | ckknight | 128 MiB video |
| 01:34.10 | Neuro | foxlit, true... cause sometimes you don't want to move the priest out of his group, you'd rather he go find his |
| 01:34.21 | cladhaire | cause we were still on 1.12 when i bought my mac =) |
| 01:34.30 | foxlit | Ghosts. |
| 01:34.37 | ckknight | cladhaire, hrm, still have the patch? |
| 01:34.38 | foxlit | Tankgroups with specific auras. |
| 01:34.40 | Neuro | it would be very useful in AV as well |
| 01:34.42 | foxlit | Meh, it's a goldmine |
| 01:34.47 | cladhaire | apparently not |
| 01:34.49 | cladhaire | i'm lookin tho |
| 01:34.53 | ckknight | cool |
| 01:35.40 | cladhaire | yeah, how best to send it |
| 01:35.44 | ckknight | hrm |
| 01:35.44 | cladhaire | i can toss it up on a website, |
| 01:35.51 | ckknight | that'd be very cool |
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| 01:36.12 | Mike-N-Go | Or just to put groups of people who have close proximity. |
| 01:36.27 | foxlit | Yeah, but assuming you have the choice, there's a lot more you could do. |
| 01:36.38 | Mike-N-Go | It is a start |
| 01:37.12 | Mike-N-Go | Don't worry about the bell and whistle of aura until you can at least to that :) |
| 01:37.47 | Mike-N-Go | Then add the next component to it, all doing it with aura in mind, don't add it first in order to not get to confused :) |
| 01:38.49 | ckknight | wait, cladhaire, found http://a.wirebrain.de/wow/ |
| 01:40.59 | ckknight | should I get 1.12 or 1.12.1 to install TBC? |
| 01:41.11 | cladhaire | it shoudln't matter, peopel are still getting into beta |
| 01:41.29 | cladhaire | so i assume it works for any version |
| 01:41.32 | cladhaire | or there's another download, etc. |
| 01:41.38 | ckknight | hrm |
| 01:42.32 | Imrcly | any 1.12 will work |
| 01:43.21 | cladhaire | Imrcly: Shouldn't any 2.X work? |
| 01:43.29 | cladhaire | I assume they have some way for the people getting into beta to patch |
| 01:43.33 | cladhaire | actually |
| 01:43.43 | cladhaire | PTR has beta content now too |
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| 01:44.42 | Imrcly | unless they fixed it the beta would not install on 2.0 |
| 01:45.06 | cladhaire | they probably put up a new download *shrug* |
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| 01:46.24 | axxo | can you go to outland on ptr? |
| 01:46.56 | Imrcly | yeah looks like a new beta installer |
| 01:46.57 | [Cu]WerikXMAS | yes |
| 01:47.18 | Imrcly | axxo: yes you can but only if you are in beta supposedly |
| 01:47.22 | [Cu]WerikXMAS | for both questions |
| 01:47.46 | axxo | :( |
| 01:48.05 | Corrodias | i only saw one question |
| 01:48.12 | [Cu]WerikXMAS | And you have to be lvl58 :( I couldnt invade outlands with my lvl 1 paladin |
| 01:48.36 | Imrcly | they want to test how well it goes with people who have BC and those who don't |
| 01:48.39 | axxo | i didn't even get to karazhan on my lvl 1 warrior when my realm was down |
| 01:48.43 | axxo | gz on getting to blasted lands :) |
| 01:49.02 | [Cu]WerikXMAS | I walked from azshara to silithus once |
| 01:49.07 | [Cu]WerikXMAS | its not a problem:) |
| 01:49.09 | Shadowed | wow you must be bored |
| 01:49.40 | [Cu]WerikXMAS | I just wanted to see the paladin t4, t4 and arena stuff:( |
| 01:49.47 | [Cu]WerikXMAS | t5* |
| 01:50.01 | Shadowed | you should know by now the rule of blizzard armor werik |
| 01:50.17 | [Cu]WerikXMAS | Which is? |
| 01:50.26 | Shadowed | T1 Ugly, T2 Good, T2.5 Ugly, T3 Good, T4 Ugly, T5 ugly |
| 01:50.36 | [Cu]WerikXMAS | I liked 2.5 actually |
| 01:50.45 | foxlit | Depends on the class. |
| 01:50.47 | [Cu]WerikXMAS | t3 was like transformers |
| 01:50.49 | Corrodias | 2.5, that's... AQ40? |
| 01:50.50 | foxlit | Mages are in rags :/ |
| 01:50.52 | Shadowed | yeah AQ40 |
| 01:51.08 | [Cu]WerikXMAS | t4 is that pink crap, I dont know how t5 looks like |
| 01:51.15 | Corrodias | i saw some images of newer armor, and mages looked like they really got the shaft |
| 01:51.28 | foxlit | They nerfed our balls. |
| 01:51.28 | Imrcly | we did nothing new |
| 01:51.29 | Shadowed | I just like making fun of our dwarf paladins for wearing T3 Shoulers/Helms |
| 01:51.30 | Corrodias | paladins get their turn looking like a pink doll, though |
| 01:51.45 | Corrodias | pink? maybe not pink |
| 01:51.48 | [Cu]WerikXMAS | first time to do it change the model |
| 01:51.59 | [Cu]WerikXMAS | simple as that, if blizzard wont do it I will do it for myself:) |
| 01:52.02 | Corrodias | maybe i'm just thinking pink because it looked like a Barbie (TM) Paladin |
| 01:52.20 | Shadowed | They did a horrible job on the shoulders in general though |
| 01:52.44 | Kirkburn | Why is everyone so scared of pink-ish colours |
| 01:52.45 | [Cu]WerikXMAS | I think mage armor looks nice |
| 01:52.45 | Kirkburn | "Omg, it's soo gay", jeeze |
| 01:52.45 | [Cu]WerikXMAS | priest too |
| 01:52.46 | Corrodias | because in some cases they just don't look good |
| 01:52.55 | [Cu]WerikXMAS | priest t5 on undeads look amazing, like an angel of death |
| 01:52.57 | Corrodias | it's not a threatening color |
| 01:53.24 | Kirkburn | Paladins are healers :) |
| 01:53.32 | Shadowed | pink just isn't a very good color for armor |
| 01:53.52 | Kirkburn | I'm sure many women would disagree :) |
| 01:54.21 | axxo | ooo, look at the cute little paladin |
| 01:54.26 | Corrodias | i don't know any women to ask |
| 01:54.31 | Shadowed | Cairenn! |
| 01:54.31 | axxo | fearsome warrior! |
| 01:54.44 | Cairenn | hmm? |
| 01:54.48 | Kirkburn | Maybe it's camo :P |
| 01:54.51 | Shadowed | [52:19] <Corrodias> i don't know any women to ask |
| 01:55.04 | Corrodias | [19:55] <Shadowed> [52:19] <Corrodias> i don't know any women to ask |
| 01:55.10 | Shadowed | [52:56] <Corrodias> [19:55] <Shadowed> [52:19] <Corrodias> i don't know any women to ask |
| 01:55.20 | Kirkburn | Someone's in a half-time zone? |
| 01:55.20 | Corrodias | o shi- |
| 01:55.30 | axxo | someone needs to fix his clock |
| 01:55.35 | Imrcly | lol |
| 01:55.39 | Shadowed | it's mm:ss not hh:mm |
| 01:55.52 | cladhaire | i need to earn 200g |
| 01:55.55 | cladhaire | where should i go? |
| 01:55.55 | Shadowed | i'm not sure why it's like that actually |
| 01:55.57 | Kirkburn | Still one of those clocks is wrong :P |
| 01:55.58 | axxo | cladhaire: class? |
| 01:56.01 | Shadowed | cladhaire: farm herbs |
| 01:56.01 | cladhaire | druid |
| 01:56.08 | Corrodias | "you're fucked" |
| 01:56.11 | Shadowed | lol |
| 01:56.14 | axxo | i'm with Corrodias |
| 01:56.18 | Shadowed | yeah you are |
| 01:56.23 | cladhaire | haha |
| 01:56.24 | Corrodias | but yes, herbs is probably your best bet |
| 01:56.24 | Imrcly | farm herbs |
| 01:56.26 | Shadowed | go train herbalism |
| 01:56.29 | Imrcly | or SM |
| 01:56.43 | Kirkburn | farm herbs, yeah. Sooth animal ftw |
| 01:56.49 | axxo | tyrs is popular i guess |
| 01:56.51 | Shadowed | Herbalism and mining are nice in WS |
| 01:56.55 | Corrodias | i tried parts of SM, once. it was a surprising amount of work and i got very little out of it. |
| 01:56.59 | cladhaire | i'd like to make honor at the same time |
| 01:57.00 | cladhaire | heh |
| 01:57.00 | cladhaire | =) |
| 01:57.04 | cladhaire | i'm conflicted |
| 01:57.05 | Shadowed | run around for a few hours, get a lot of icecap, silversage, thorium, dense stone and arcane crystals |
| 01:57.11 | axxo | cladhaire: got access to a warlock? |
| 01:57.15 | Shadowed | oh and lotus |
| 01:57.17 | cladhaire | nope |
| 01:57.26 | axxo | warlock = 50g/hr |
| 01:57.30 | Corrodias | Shadowed: WS? |
| 01:57.30 | cladhaire | orly |
| 01:57.38 | Corrodias | how is the warlock so quick at cash? |
| 01:57.39 | Shadowed | Corrodias: Winterspring |
| 01:57.49 | Drundia | u can make 50g/hour with anyone i think |
| 01:57.49 | Shadowed | 50g/hour? thats easy depending on your server |
| 01:57.53 | Corrodias | ah, yes. icecap should have tipped me off. i can see i've been away from WoW for a while. |
| 01:57.56 | axxo | Shadowed: its not |
| 01:58.11 | axxo | you won't make that herbing |
| 01:58.14 | Corrodias | people like to say that making money is easy, but i generally try to take their advice and i make shit for money |
| 01:58.14 | cladhaire | someone said selling greys from elite dragonkin in azshara |
| 01:58.17 | cladhaire | but i dont know what/where they are. |
| 01:58.24 | Shadowed | I do it alot when it's not crowded |
| 01:58.33 | [Cu]WerikXMAS | I made 1200g in 3 days farming tyr's hand on a lvl60 non epic rogue |
| 01:58.42 | [Cu]WerikXMAS | so, its not that hard to do stuff there i guess |
| 01:58.42 | Kirkburn | cladhaire, nothern side iirc? |
| 01:58.50 | axxo | yea tyr's is very popular, but relies on luck |
| 01:58.51 | Shadowed | was that with stupidly good luck of 4 epics in a day? :p |
| 01:58.58 | [Cu]WerikXMAS | I didnt find any epic |
| 01:58.59 | Kirkburn | Been a while since I was in Azshara |
| 01:58.59 | Corrodias | cladhaire, a little time on allakhazam will reveal that information |
| 01:59.15 | cladhaire | qi just want my epic mount |
| 01:59.30 | Kirkburn | Beg steal and borrow |
| 01:59.36 | axxo | just find any mobs that drop stuff |
| 01:59.39 | axxo | kill em for a few hours :) |
| 01:59.46 | Shadowed | guild bank pays 8g per a stack of icecap and mountain silversage, and because of where they are mostly located you can also hit most of the rich thorium veins in the zone |
| 01:59.55 | Kirkburn | cladhaire, do you have any quests left? |
| 01:59.58 | Corrodias | i looked at tyr's hand, once. it was a bunch of 60's standing around with no enemies. i didn't think i should bother with my druid. |
| 02:00.09 | cladhaire | not really |
| 02:00.11 | Shadowed | of course if you're going to the zone when theres 20-30 60s in it you'll not even get close to that though |
| 02:00.13 | [Cu]WerikXMAS | though I was doing it on a pve server |
| 02:00.21 | cladhaire | i mean yes, but no. |
| 02:00.23 | Kirkburn | Dang, doing quests at 60 is lucrative |
| 02:00.30 | axxo | Shadowed: i dare you to find a stack of those on my realm |
| 02:00.33 | Corrodias | what's my other profession? skinning! |
| 02:00.33 | Shadowed | didn't they nerf all of the coin and item drops on the tyr's mobs? |
| 02:00.37 | ckknight | [Cu]WerikXMAS, what's with the XMAS suffix? |
| 02:00.41 | ckknight | two can play at that game |
| 02:00.46 | Kirkburn | Crazy europeans, ckknight |
| 02:00.50 | Shadowed | axxo: Note I said "depending on your server" |
| 02:00.52 | ckknightSolstice | mwahaha |
| 02:00.54 | [Cu]WerikXMAS | yea, crazy europeans;P |
| 02:01.02 | ckknightSolstice | Happy Solstice, everyone |
| 02:01.09 | [Cu]WerikXMAS | -.- |
| 02:01.17 | Kirkburn | Happy Solstice! |
| 02:01.23 | ckknightSolstice | Shadowed, ? |
| 02:01.28 | Shadowed | you offend my religion! |
| 02:01.32 | Shadowed | nobodys allowed to be happy in it |
| 02:01.38 | Kirkburn | It's not bloody Xmas until the 25th :) |
| 02:01.38 | Corr[Chrismahanu | how sad, they CUT ME OFF |
| 02:01.48 | Chrismahanukwanz | akah |
| 02:01.50 | ckknightSolstice | Chrismukkah |
| 02:01.53 | Industrial | http://hellsblade.xs4all.nl:88/interface-061224.png |
| 02:01.57 | Chrismahanukwanz | concatenate THAT in your stocking |
| 02:02.04 | Industrial | I was bored so I opened up MS Paint |
| 02:02.06 | Industrial | :D |
| 02:02.17 | Industrial | Actually I tried photoshop first but I just suck with that :> |
| 02:02.19 | Kirkburn | Omg, design skillz |
| 02:02.23 | axxo | cladhaire: but really, random mobs that drops things, like tyr's hand, around cauldrons in epl, azshara, should make you plenty |
| 02:02.27 | Kirkburn | To bed, g'night all |
| 02:02.31 | Industrial | nn kirk |
| 02:02.35 | Corrodias | what's that, Industrial? |
| 02:02.38 | [Cu]WerikXMAS | you made this with paint? |
| 02:02.41 | Cairenn | night Kirkburn |
| 02:02.46 | cladhaire | axxo: aye.. but do that i have to stop idling in av for honor |
| 02:02.47 | cladhaire | heh |
| 02:02.49 | Industrial | eh, yeah |
| 02:02.50 | [Cu]WerikXMAS | oh dear god |
| 02:02.57 | Shadowed | cladhaire what do you want from AV anyway? |
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| 02:03.00 | Corrodias | azshara dragonkin, you say |
| 02:03.01 | Shadowed | the weapons are kind of meh for druids |
| 02:03.05 | cladhaire | Shadowed: honor. |
| 02:03.11 | cladhaire | i've been exalted with AV for.. a year now. |
| 02:03.12 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Kirkburn (n=Kirkburn@84-45-141-44.no-dns-yet.enta.net) |
| 02:03.15 | Shadowed | s/AV/honor/ |
| 02:03.16 | cladhaire | tho i never bought TUF O.o |
| 02:03.24 | cladhaire | Shadowed: The gear |
| 02:03.28 | cladhaire | i have absolute crap for gear atm |
| 02:03.29 | Shadowed | TUF annoys me |
| 02:03.33 | axxo | kill the mobs in av? :P |
| 02:03.35 | Shadowed | had to use it for like 8 months |
| 02:03.39 | cladhaire | axxo: I have been |
| 02:03.44 | cladhaire | but thats only 2-7 silver a kill |
| 02:04.01 | axxo | deadwind pass is close to stormwind |
| 02:04.04 | axxo | and good drops |
| 02:04.12 | axxo | whats the av queue time ? |
| 02:04.24 | cladhaire | 0 |
| 02:04.24 | Corrodias | a million |
| 02:04.36 | axxo | nerf :( |
| 02:04.41 | Shadowed | axxo whats it for you? |
| 02:04.45 | axxo | 30min minimal |
| 02:04.51 | Shadowed | ehhh? |
| 02:04.51 | cladhaire | running 15 minute games, ~ 300 honor a game |
| 02:04.58 | Shadowed | are you in a battleground group with a bunch of new servers? |
| 02:05.05 | axxo | don't think so |
| 02:05.05 | Shadowed | nightfall has 6-8 minute alliance queues for AV |
| 02:05.12 | axxo | EU tho |
| 02:05.28 | Corrodias | in 1.12, i waited just a few minutes in Battlegroup 1. It has since been renamed something i don't remember. |
| 02:05.36 | foxlit | Isn't nightfall a guildwars expansion name? |
| 02:05.41 | Corrodias | yes |
| 02:05.42 | Shadowed | I think so |
| 02:05.54 | Shadowed | nightfall is the one with icecrown, deathwing, doomhammer and kel'thuzad in it |
| 02:06.59 | [Cu]WerikXMAS | brb |
| 02:07.07 | axxo | pff can't find battlegroup list |
| 02:07.16 | TheStig | anyone know if there is a mod to add up the two attacks for mutilate since its two attacks in one and then display it somewhere for a short time? |
| 02:07.22 | Corrodias | i think the only realm of note in our group is Frostmane |
| 02:07.37 | Corrodias | if i even have the name right |
| 02:07.39 | foxlit | PS_Core:SetScript("OnEvent", function(s,e,a1,a2,a3,a4,a5,a6,a7,a8,a9) |
| 02:07.39 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:07.39 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:07.42 | foxlit | Help? :) |
| 02:07.53 | cladhaire | i wonder how much money my guildbank has. |
| 02:08.02 | cladhaire | its 810g for epic riding training, right? |
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| 02:08.29 | axxo | you guys on pvp realms? |
| 02:08.30 | ckknight | foxlit, what's the problem? |
| 02:08.40 | foxlit | Is there an elegant way to do that? |
| 02:08.43 | ckknight | oh yes. |
| 02:08.48 | axxo | i'm in the first battlegroup |
| 02:08.52 | axxo | allience is 30min queue |
| 02:08.52 | foxlit | a1,a2,a3 works, but that's just aesteticly ugly |
| 02:09.03 | ckknight | PS_Core:SetScript("OnEvent", function(s,e,...) |
| 02:09.12 | ckknight | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:09.14 | ckknight | end |
| 02:09.18 | ckknight | ) |
| 02:09.19 | Corrodias | last i checked, clad, it was, what? - 900g unmodified, 720g with two discounts? |
| 02:09.26 | cladhaire | only one discount |
| 02:09.33 | cladhaire | the pvp discount was snatched out from under us |
| 02:09.34 | ckknight | then 810g |
| 02:09.51 | Insa | Ain't the cost lower at expansion? |
| 02:09.51 | cladhaire | lol i can mutliply =) |
| 02:09.52 | Corrodias | your old rank doesn't still count for discounts, eh? |
| 02:09.54 | cladhaire | just wasn't sure of the base cost. |
| 02:09.59 | cladhaire | Corrodias: Nope |
| 02:10.49 | Shadowed | cladhaire: It'll be like 560g in 2.0.3 if you'd rather wait 3 weeks |
| 02:10.57 | cladhaire | why? |
| 02:11.06 | axxo | because normal flying will cost 800 |
| 02:11.06 | Shadowed | why will it be 560g or why should you wait? |
| 02:11.11 | cladhaire | why will it be 560 |
| 02:11.22 | axxo | and blizzard wants to be hated by everyone |
| 02:11.26 | Shadowed | i don't work for blizzard, don't ask me |
| 02:11.35 | cladhaire | they.re just.... lowering it? |
| 02:11.39 | Shadowed | yes |
| 02:11.43 | cladhaire | i'm not complaining |
| 02:11.45 | Shadowed | to 560g with the honored discount apparently |
| 02:11.47 | cladhaire | i'll absoultely wait |
| 02:11.48 | axxo | gotta give the casual a chance you know! |
| 02:11.52 | cladhaire | that means no grinding, and i can suck up more honor. |
| 02:11.56 | foxlit | Hm. |
| 02:12.04 | foxlit | So 560 then, + 800 for flying then? |
| 02:12.04 | Shadowed | well considering you can make like 3000g leveling, they've given casuals a chance :p |
| 02:12.19 | axxo | Shadowed: you'll need 7000 for the epic flying mount tho |
| 02:12.27 | Shadowed | 7000? |
| 02:12.28 | Shadowed | they raised it? |
| 02:12.31 | Corrodias | i'm casual and hardcore, switching off |
| 02:12.44 | [Cu]WerikXMAS | money wont be a big problem in tbc |
| 02:12.50 | [Cu]WerikXMAS | everything will be overpriced |
| 02:12.55 | axxo | 1000 for 225, 4999 for 300, then the actual mount |
| 02:13.02 | Corrodias | but if you say "money won't be a big problem", how can everything be overpriced? |
| 02:13.09 | Shadowed | the actual mount is like 190g? |
| 02:13.18 | [Cu]WerikXMAS | I mean, if you sell stuff;) |
| 02:13.18 | axxo | no |
| 02:13.24 | Shadowed | it isn't? |
| 02:13.27 | Shadowed | when did it get raised |
| 02:13.31 | [Cu]WerikXMAS | new reagents will be so overpriced |
| 02:13.33 | Corrodias | i see |
| 02:13.44 | axxo | you gotta get em first! |
| 02:13.44 | [Cu]WerikXMAS | just pick up skinning and mining |
| 02:13.55 | [Cu]WerikXMAS | or herb and skinning or mining, two of the three |
| 02:13.59 | [Cu]WerikXMAS | and you will make a fortune |
| 02:14.08 | Shadowed | i'm picking up mining and herbing when I do 60 -> 70 |
| 02:14.16 | Shadowed | sooner I hit 70 the sooner I can start farming zones that others havn't yet |
| 02:14.22 | axxo | i know ppl that have like 5 alt chars filled with herbs & mining ore to sell overpriced when tbc hits ;x |
| 02:14.35 | Corrodias | new money comes into the system from instances |
| 02:15.16 | Corrodias | if everybody chose herbalism, you couldn't sell any herbs |
| 02:15.44 | Corrodias | i realize the difference between theory and reality, though. you're expected to buy other materials from other people. |
| 02:15.49 | [Cu]WerikXMAS | well, new potions are very nice |
| 02:15.50 | axxo | its more productive to buy herbs then to go find them |
| 02:15.55 | [Cu]WerikXMAS | people will buy herbs |
| 02:16.12 | axxo | i'm a herb/alch, and i buy all my herbs from AH |
| 02:16.13 | [Cu]WerikXMAS | and the fact that you will be able to sell basically any herb |
| 02:16.20 | Shadowed | or people wont want to give up the current professions they have, or they already have a ton of rare enchanting recipes but want to pickup jewel crafting |
| 02:16.24 | axxo | its faster to grind the gold, then run around for a few hours finding maybe a few |
| 02:16.55 | Corrodias | now axxo here gets his gold by fighting enemies, it seems, rather than gathering materials |
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| 02:17.35 | axxo | i have 1894g at the moment, and almost never do something special to get gold |
| 02:17.40 | [Cu]WerikXMAS | you wont have to find them |
| 02:17.48 | cladhaire | id have a ton of money |
| 02:17.48 | [Cu]WerikXMAS | you can pick up anything |
| 02:17.53 | cladhaire | but when i get done, i make a new character |
| 02:17.54 | Corrodias | i also don't do special things to get gold and have only a few hundred |
| 02:17.56 | [Cu]WerikXMAS | and you will be able to sell it overpriced |
| 02:18.19 | cladhaire | So, I decided, that I don't have the time. |
| 02:18.29 | cladhaire | but someone need to make a tower defense game, that runs within WoW. |
| 02:18.37 | cladhaire | you'd be the winner of life. |
| 02:18.42 | xgravix_ | rofl. |
| 02:18.43 | axxo | lol |
| 02:18.46 | cladhaire | ... |
| 02:18.49 | cladhaire | i'm not kidding |
| 02:18.50 | cladhaire | it would be easy |
| 02:18.53 | cladhaire | i just dont have the time to do it |
| 02:19.06 | xgravix_ | what about Wintermaul =( |
| 02:19.16 | xgravix_ | and dota |
| 02:19.24 | cladhaire | what about them? |
| 02:20.13 | TheStig | i read somewhere that blizz is getting rid of the need for dkp, is that true and if so, what did they change to make this possible? |
| 02:20.34 | Corrodias | raids will now be soloable |
| 02:20.42 | axxo | RAMPAGE |
| 02:20.43 | TheStig | haha i doubt that |
| 02:20.52 | Shadowed | TheStig: Nothing |
| 02:20.54 | Corrodias | haha, guess you're not a gullible noob :( |
| 02:20.58 | Shadowed | DKP Will always be used |
| 02:21.12 | TheStig | well not if you use suicide kings ;) |
| 02:21.14 | axxo | for t4 everyone gets a token when you kill a boss |
| 02:21.18 | axxo | you need X token for an item |
| 02:21.26 | TheStig | sweet |
| 02:21.27 | axxo | that might be what that person meant |
| 02:21.28 | Shadowed | which system is suicuide kings again |
| 02:21.31 | Corrodias | "suicide kings" was a DKP system last time i checked, as far as i'm aware |
| 02:21.51 | Shadowed | IF it awards you for attendance in anyway, it's a DKP system |
| 02:21.55 | Shadowed | loot council is not a DKP system however |
| 02:22.01 | axxo | suicide kings = initial random list, top->bottom = loot priotity, if you take an item, you go to the bottom |
| 02:22.23 | Shadowed | still DKP and also a very lootwhorish awarding system |
| 02:22.24 | TheStig | suicide kings is where everyone draws 2 numbers at the creation of the guild 1 for non class specific loot the other for class specific and attenting raids etc. move you up on the list, at any time something drops that you cannot resist having you can whisper the loot master "suicide" and take the loot if no one higher than you on the list also suicided |
| 02:22.30 | TheStig | otherwise the loot is greeded on |
| 02:22.37 | TheStig | or sharded |
| 02:22.39 | Corrodias | i see. ew. |
| 02:22.49 | Corrodias | but if you like it, have fun with it |
| 02:22.50 | xgravix_ | yuck |
| 02:23.03 | Shadowed | as much as people hate it, DKP is the least drama filled system |
| 02:23.16 | foxlit | getting it right is difficult |
| 02:23.19 | axxo | we use a fixed price zero sum system |
| 02:23.25 | axxo | and i'm the master of negatif dkp |
| 02:23.27 | foxlit | upgrades? No upgrades? |
| 02:23.31 | Corrodias | oh, people can squeeze drama into -anything- if they try hard enough :) |
| 02:23.36 | Shadowed | ours handles upgrades well actually |
| 02:23.40 | Shadowed | thats true Corrodias |
| 02:23.53 | Shadowed | ours is built around awarding those who upgrade often or buy "offspec" type items |
| 02:23.53 | TheStig | upgrading allows you to take a partial fall on the list instead of a full one |
| 02:23.58 | Corrodias | my guild also uses a zero-sum one |
| 02:23.59 | Shadowed | yeah |
| 02:24.21 | TheStig | or you can take a complete fall and get a refund on whatever position you were at when you took the gear you upgraded |
| 02:24.26 | Shadowed | You pay 30 DKP for an item in the chest slot, if you buy an item for 40 DKP a day later, after 30 days you get back 30 DKP |
| 02:24.27 | foxlit | Bonus round question: do they actually maintain a zero sum? |
| 02:25.04 | axxo | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:25.04 | Corrodias | my guild does. i don't know about axxo's. |
| 02:25.23 | axxo | no bonus dkp for learning raids & stuff |
| 02:25.23 | TheStig | dkp inflation gaps sneak up on zero sum systems |
| 02:25.26 | foxlit | Pointgain from items only? |
| 02:25.28 | Imrcly | my guild has a combined zero sum with another guilds |
| 02:25.34 | Shadowed | Zero sum is which again, DKP in = DKP out? |
| 02:25.38 | foxlit | yes. |
| 02:25.40 | Corrodias | yes to both questions |
| 02:25.55 | TheStig | i don't like that, because imo people should be given bonus dkp for attempting to learn new raids |
| 02:25.57 | foxlit | How do you deal with no-loot days and lousy attendance? |
| 02:25.58 | Shadowed | yeah, ours isn't like that. no bonus DKP for anything, on time, learning DKP for bank items, ect |
| 02:26.12 | Shadowed | TheStig: if you need to motivate people to show up by giving them more DKP you have other issues |
| 02:26.15 | Corrodias | lousy attendance means a raid doesn't happen in the first place |
| 02:26.17 | axxo | TheStig: ppl should just show up. dkp or not |
| 02:26.17 | Shadowed | foxlit: You start gkicking them |
| 02:26.27 | TheStig | lol |
| 02:26.41 | foxlit | Can't gkick people in partial tier 3 |
| 02:26.41 | Shadowed | If people are avoiding learning night raids, they shouldn't be there |
| 02:26.44 | Shadowed | yes you can |
| 02:26.45 | foxlit | There simply aren't enough replacements. |
| 02:26.48 | Shadowed | true |
| 02:26.48 | axxo | foxlit: sure you can |
| 02:27.10 | Corrodias | if things got really out of hand and the numbers were imbalanced to favor or disfavor noobs coming in at 0, then a housecleaning might get the numbers back nearer neutral. maybe. i really don't know. |
| 02:27.11 | axxo | kick 1, and everyone will show up the next day |
| 02:27.29 | Shadowed | I don't care if you have a thunderfury and you're in 9/9 T3. If you don't show you purposly avoid learning nights you should be gkicked |
| 02:27.42 | TheStig | <sacrificial lamb> sounds like a good guild name |
| 02:27.42 | Shadowed | purposely too |
| 02:27.43 | axxo | or recruit someone new for the class, that always brings ppl back aswel |
| 02:28.06 | axxo | "We have a lack of rogues showing up, recuited a new one" |
| 02:28.14 | axxo | next raid, all rogues are present |
| 02:28.18 | Cide | mass recruiting never solves attendance problems |
| 02:28.24 | axxo | not mass |
| 02:28.25 | axxo | just 1 |
| 02:28.34 | TheStig | my guild just took in about 20 new druids |
| 02:28.40 | TheStig | i'm just like wtf for |
| 02:28.41 | Corrodias | ...why? |
| 02:28.46 | TheStig | dont know |
| 02:28.47 | foxlit | Druidguild! |
| 02:28.50 | axxo | if you have more then 50 raiders in your guild you have a problem |
| 02:28.50 | Corrodias | i'm with you on that one |
| 02:28.54 | foxlit | druidtank,druidrogue,druidhealer. |
| 02:29.08 | Shadowed | People will always abuse a guild for loot if you aren't hard on those who abuse the system like that |
| 02:29.25 | Shadowed | axxo: Not every guild is a small group of hardcore raiders |
| 02:29.49 | axxo | Shadowed: well ppl in partial t3 usualy are |
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| 02:30.01 | Shadowed | axxo: Not really |
| 02:30.08 | Corrodias | my guild can -almost- muster 20 people for each raid. i don't agree with the administration's decision to cut back on recruiting already, but that's not something i can change. |
| 02:30.13 | Corrodias | not alone, anyway |
| 02:30.16 | Shadowed | you can kill a couple of the starting bosses without being a hardcode raider |
| 02:30.45 | Imrcly | I pug alot i have no problems with not raiding |
| 02:30.50 | axxo | not the point ;x |
| 02:31.02 | Imrcly | I get good loot because i do a good job |
| 02:31.13 | Corrodias | when joining a PuG, people suddenly turn to shit, and i suspect i'm no exception |
| 02:31.19 | axxo | /roll isn't fun |
| 02:31.29 | foxlit | Does PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD get triggered on BG entry? |
| 02:31.33 | TheStig | h4x |
| 02:31.34 | Shadowed | yes |
| 02:31.46 | Shadowed | what are you trying to do foxlit? |
| 02:31.47 | foxlit | Will GetPvPStatus tell me where I am when it does? |
| 02:32.02 | axxo | pugging naxx is kinda hard tho |
| 02:32.06 | foxlit | Figure out if I'm in a battleground, and if so, in which one |
| 02:32.54 | foxlit | GetBattlefieldInfo |
| 02:32.55 | Imrcly | getting into naxx as a a pug is hard |
| 02:33.00 | Shadowed | no not that |
| 02:33.10 | Shadowed | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetBattlefieldStatus |
| 02:33.19 | Corrodias | my little druid didn't have the gear to naxx it up |
| 02:33.35 | TheStig | my guild's cap is 35 for every class rofl |
| 02:33.38 | Imrcly | yeah im just starting to get into mc groups |
| 02:33.39 | Shadowed | UPDATE_BATTLEFIELD_STATUS also files when something happens related to battleground queues too though |
| 02:33.47 | Shadowed | files = fires |
| 02:34.26 | axxo | TheStig: what do you raid and how often? |
| 02:35.09 | foxlit | Yes, but I'd rather be watching PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD, it it works |
| 02:35.21 | foxlit | triggers less often, always on world server switch. |
| 02:35.55 | Shadowed | depends what you need it for and what you're trying to do |
| 02:36.40 | Shadowed | besides wanting to know the battleground they are inside that is |
| 02:37.43 | TheStig | axxo: MC AQ20 |
| 02:37.56 | Shadowed | why do you have a cap of 35 on every class then... |
| 02:38.08 | TheStig | because the leader is on crack |
| 02:38.29 | Imrcly | drugs are bad mmmkay |
| 02:38.42 | TheStig | sometimes i wonder why the leader has 2000 ish dkp and everytime he buys an item the dkp valuation is way too low |
| 02:38.50 | Industrial | http://hellsblade.xs4all.nl:88/interface-061224.png |
| 02:38.51 | Industrial | :D |
| 02:38.54 | axxo | time to /gquit dude |
| 02:38.59 | foxlit | Just activating/deactivating functionality based on whether you are in a BG |
| 02:39.00 | TheStig | i know |
| 02:39.05 | TheStig | but i am not raiding currently |
| 02:39.07 | TheStig | so i dont really care |
| 02:39.27 | TheStig | PvP gear ftw |
| 02:39.44 | axxo | raiding is more fun then pvp |
| 02:39.46 | Industrial | i bet when tbc launches pvp gear will be poo' |
| 02:39.56 | Imrcly | yep |
| 02:40.54 | TheStig | I'd rather PvP than put up with drama |
| 02:41.08 | Industrial | make your own guild |
| 02:41.16 | TheStig | like that ever works |
| 02:41.28 | axxo | it does |
| 02:41.32 | axxo | its how every guild starts |
| 02:41.57 | End | I don't think drama is ever completely escapable |
| 02:42.00 | TheStig | "hey guyz lol join my new guild" <but i'm already in a guild!> "soz mines better mmkay." <sorry man, i'm cool> |
| 02:43.28 | axxo | bah |
| 02:43.30 | axxo | must sleep |
| 02:43.31 | End | anyways, most guilds are caused by splintering and merging it seems like to me |
| 02:43.49 | axxo | not the good ones |
| 02:43.56 | TheStig | then there is the /g hey guys i'm gonna /gquit because i'm not really happy here anymore, so i'll catch you all later. peace then they see i am in a new guild and 3 or 4 people who were good friends of mine say hey i'll join your new guild then 2 or 3 of their friends each follow them and so on and pretty soon i have assimilated half of the old guild and started a war with the other guild leader |
| 02:44.01 | End | all the raiding guilds on my server |
| 02:44.41 | axxo | none of those ppl know each other well i bet |
| 02:44.48 | axxo | they just raid together |
| 02:45.07 | TheStig | probably, but my best friend for 15 years is in that guild, and so is his wife, so |
| 02:45.15 | TheStig | there are people who would follow me |
| 02:45.23 | End | as a whole guild, they just "raid" together |
| 02:45.27 | TheStig | and i am willing to bet more that will follow them and it would be a huge domino effect |
| 02:45.28 | End | but usually there are small packs of players |
| 02:45.42 | End | most in a small pack know each other in real life |
| 02:45.55 | axxo | indeed, and they split/merge alot |
| 02:46.29 | axxo | thats why i'm not in a guild like that :) |
| 02:46.40 | TheStig | so tell me, how do you form a good guidl |
| 02:46.41 | TheStig | guild |
| 02:46.46 | TheStig | whats the secret |
| 02:47.01 | axxo | have alot of time |
| 02:47.44 | Neuro | Being a guild leader isn't too hard |
| 02:47.51 | Neuro | you just need lots of time |
| 02:47.52 | axxo | delegate! |
| 02:48.05 | Neuro | and you gotta keep this in mind: Guild > All |
| 02:48.47 | Neuro | If you're not willing to put the Guild's long-term welfare over your own personal goals, the guild will fail |
| 02:49.34 | TheStig | how do you recruit members who wont /gquit in two weeks because they haven't gotten T2 yet |
| 02:50.09 | Neuro | if you're on an established server already, then it's very hard. The players you want are already in solid guilds |
| 02:50.12 | axxo | easy, ask for their age on the application |
| 02:50.16 | axxo | if its under 18 deny |
| 02:50.37 | End | my guild has had a few under 18 that were worth having |
| 02:50.38 | Shadowed | that's a stupid thing to do |
| 02:50.41 | End | only a few though |
| 02:50.54 | Shadowed | not every <18 year old is an idiot who's going to go "LOLZ GVE ME PURPLEZ PLZ" |
| 02:51.21 | End | and probably the worse players I've seen weren't less than 18 years of age |
| 02:51.26 | TheStig | my 14 y/o cousin is on a PvE server and is a damn good paladin. i watched him raid with his guild one day in naxx |
| 02:51.28 | *** join/#wowi-lounge ven (n=ven@dyndsl-085-016-213-225.ewe-ip-backbone.de) |
| 02:51.43 | Neuro | TheStig, you gotta be ruthless in culling the bad members then |
| 02:51.48 | axxo | we had a 12 year old that was the hero of vent |
| 02:51.49 | Shadowed | yep |
| 02:51.55 | axxo | morale > |
| 02:52.18 | Neuro | Several things to keep in mind: Fairness is bunk |
| 02:52.21 | TheStig | but i do agree that >18 y/o usually is a more solid player |
| 02:52.27 | TheStig | in fact i would probably say >21 y/o |
| 02:52.29 | Neuro | people who want everything to be "fair" don't know shit |
| 02:52.35 | Shadowed | ^^^^^^^^^ |
| 02:52.38 | End | well, try to be fair, but don't justify yourself :P |
| 02:52.45 | Shadowed | Nothing is fair in raiding |
| 02:52.49 | End | they'll just argue with you |
| 02:52.49 | Esamynn | good evening all |
| 02:52.51 | Neuro | It's not about being fair |
| 02:52.55 | Shadowed | loot isn't fair, whos chosen isn't fair, who's made an officer isn't fair |
| 02:52.55 | Neuro | it's about keeping morale high |
| 02:52.59 | Shadowed | it's about whats the best for the guild |
| 02:53.12 | TheStig | who should be made an officer in a new guild? |
| 02:53.20 | Neuro | If every single member of your guild wanted all loot to go to a guy named Bob, then that's the loot system you should use |
| 02:53.31 | Neuro | TheStig, no one yet |
| 02:53.37 | Shadowed | agreed with Neuro |
| 02:53.43 | End | well |
| 02:53.43 | axxo | ppl that proof themself |
| 02:53.43 | Neuro | the natural leaders will rise to the top |
| 02:53.54 | End | I suppose what my guildies want is a fair loot system :P |
| 02:53.59 | Shadowed | all/most of your officers should be people who can step in for the guild leader if needed, the best guilds are the ones that can run even without the guild leder |
| 02:53.59 | Neuro | End, yes |
| 02:54.00 | Shadowed | leader* |
| 02:54.13 | Neuro | But fair loot is not the goal |
| 02:54.27 | Neuro | the primary goal of any loot system is to keep the players from complaining |
| 02:54.40 | Neuro | the secondary goal is to strengthen the guild's raiding ability |
| 02:54.51 | Neuro | fairness is merely a byproduct |
| 02:54.51 | TheStig | which loot distribution system should be used and how should it be explained to the members since some always wind up being like dkp omg i dont understand that |
| 02:54.55 | End | we do have loot priority too though |
| 02:55.21 | End | like our main tanks got priority on tanking gear, and the other warriors got priority on the dps gear over the main tanks |
| 02:55.22 | Neuro | TheStig: Whatever loot system the players will be most willing to deal with |
| 02:55.32 | Iriel | End how is that 'fair' ? |
| 02:55.36 | axxo | TheStig: if they are to dumb to understand the loot system you don't want them |
| 02:55.45 | Shadowed | Because it's the best for the guild |
| 02:55.59 | TheStig | Neuro: let's say i have 20 initial members and gain 5 more at the end of the week, we settle on a zero sum dkp and then i get another 15 a while later who don't like zero sum dkp, what then? |
| 02:56.01 | End | everyone gets the gear they want I guess? |
| 02:56.12 | End | I dunno |
| 02:56.20 | Neuro | Those 15 should have known better |
| 02:56.25 | Shadowed | You will never make everyone happy with the DKP system you chose |
| 02:56.27 | End | but it made things more consistant I guess |
| 02:56.29 | Shadowed | pick what makes the majority happy |
| 02:56.32 | Neuro | you don't join a guild with a loot system you dislike |
| 02:56.36 | Neuro | and expect to change it |
| 02:56.46 | TheStig | ok |
| 02:56.56 | TheStig | now i'm actually thinking of starting a guild |
| 02:57.03 | End | anyways |
| 02:57.05 | Neuro | god, why? |
| 02:57.09 | End | the warriors all thought it was fair though :P |
| 02:57.10 | Neuro | running a guild sucks =) |
| 02:57.15 | Shadowed | no point in starting a raiding guild at this point |
| 02:57.15 | End | which was good enough for me |
| 02:57.18 | Shadowed | much easier to wait till TBC |
| 02:57.28 | TheStig | on my server there are exactly 2 guilds in AQ40 and naxx |
| 02:57.29 | Neuro | yeah, /agree with Shadowed |
| 02:57.36 | TheStig | the guild that opened AQ40 disbanded a while ago |
| 02:57.37 | Neuro | which server? |
| 02:57.40 | TheStig | err opened the gates |
| 02:57.41 | Shadowed | You'll have alot of extra people who are cut from other raiding guilds that want to raid too |
| 02:57.42 | TheStig | demon soul |
| 02:57.48 | Shadowed | oh you're on demon soul? |
| 02:57.50 | TheStig | yep |
| 02:58.00 | Shadowed | alliance? |
| 02:58.03 | TheStig | yea |
| 02:58.06 | Shadowed | name? |
| 02:58.14 | End | my guild stopped raiding for the moment, but that has more to do with holidays |
| 02:58.21 | End | same thing happened last year |
| 02:58.41 | TheStig | desire and veritas are the only guilds that really do hardcore raiding, but theres a few more that do the first bosses etc. |
| 02:58.44 | Shadowed | we've been barely able to get people for raiding, mostly it ends up being healers which aremissing...and fights that require you to stack 16 healers suck |
| 02:58.47 | axxo | yeah we're taking a 2 week break aswel |
| 02:58.53 | TheStig | Shadowed what server are you on? |
| 02:58.56 | Shadowed | Icecrown |
| 02:58.59 | TheStig | oh |
| 02:59.04 | TheStig | you have an alt on DS? |
| 02:59.14 | Shadowed | no was seeing if i'd seen you in battlegrounds before! |
| 02:59.17 | TheStig | oh |
| 02:59.20 | TheStig | Maduin |
| 02:59.24 | TheStig | and Illuminarok |
| 02:59.25 | Shadowed | mmm probably not then |
| 02:59.32 | TheStig | druid rogue |
| 02:59.38 | TheStig | i have a mage named gesthal though |
| 02:59.46 | TheStig | not lvled up yet tho |
| 03:00.00 | TheStig | anyway my server is kinda.. lowkey |
| 03:00.10 | Shadowed | most of the servers in BG10 are! |
| 03:00.23 | TheStig | like |
| 03:00.24 | Shadowed | 4 day one servers...and the rest are like 6 months old at most |
| 03:00.38 | TheStig | i just don't understand |
| 03:01.00 | TheStig | Denial came to DS and tore it up and opened the gates like not 2 months after server conception |
| 03:01.05 | TheStig | then they disbanded |
| 03:01.06 | TheStig | lol |
| 03:01.15 | TheStig | and they all transferred off |
| 03:01.23 | Shadowed | well easy, alot of people who start playing the game know friends who play, and those friends are typically on the high pop servers so they go and play with there friends |
| 03:01.28 | TheStig | they all had T2 partial T3 and stuff too |
| 03:02.16 | axxo | can't go from aq opened serv to aq opened |
| 03:02.21 | Shadowed | I bet most of the people who roll on new servers are either guilds that reroll because they want to be #1 (and probably end up disbanding a few months later), or people who played on high pop for a while and want to start over...until they realise that nobody plays on them and they go back to the high pop |
| 03:03.15 | Imrcly | i have a friend that transfered all of his characters to one server |
| 03:03.31 | Imrcly | why he payed money to do it i dunno |
| 03:03.55 | TheStig | our furthest progressed guild on DS has this accomplished so far: Twin Emperors | Nefarian | Ragnaros | Onyxia | Ysondre | Emeriss | Taerar | Lethon | Azuregos | Kazzak | Ossirian | Hakkar |
| 03:04.59 | TheStig | our furthest horde guild (Chinese) has: Princess Huhuran | Nefarian | Ragnaros | Onyxia | Ysondre | Emeriss | Taerar | Lethon | Azuregos | Kazzak | Ossirian | Hakkar |
| 03:06.36 | End | arg, I died to freakin npcs in AV |
| 03:06.46 | Corrodias | i hate AV rams |
| 03:06.52 | End | I was killing some players at the graveyard we just claimed |
| 03:07.05 | Corrodias | i can kill them easily, but they delay me for a minute |
| 03:07.25 | End | and then -three- elites and the graveyard guards (still not dead!) come after me |
| 03:07.30 | Corrodias | i had a friend who played WoW on a low population realm. he quit right after inviting me to the game. |
| 03:08.13 | End | well, I could kill the graveyard guards, but not the elites |
| 03:08.31 | TheStig | no one on our server has taken c'thun, ouro, viscidus, patchwerk, grobbulus, gluth, thaddius, gothik the harvester, the four horsemen, maexxna, heigan the unclean, loatheb, sapphiron, or kel'thuzad |
| 03:08.58 | TheStig | its really sad |
| 03:10.07 | End | it wouldn't surprise me if one of the guilds on my server had killed kel'thuzad |
| 03:10.17 | TheStig | we've had 13 end game alliance guilds disband, 2 remain, one of those have serious problems, two others merged and then transferred off |
| 03:10.19 | Corrodias | progression on E'T is somewhere around there.. |
| 03:10.34 | End | november 14th kel'thuzad was killed on my server |
| 03:10.42 | Corrodias | they've probably gotten up to the four horsemen |
| 03:10.49 | End | only one guild has done it though |
| 03:11.40 | Corrodias | guild drama is way too much like a soap opera for me |
| 03:12.02 | End | I agree |
| 03:14.19 | Corrodias | those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it, though, as they say. |
| 03:16.18 | Corrodias | the core raiding group of one guild split out of another with a lot of hard feelings both ways, but somehow managed to gain enough members in the new guild to DO IT AGAIN sometime during the 6 months that i wasn't playing |
| 03:16.22 | Cairenn | Kemayo: neat |
| 03:16.42 | TheStig | http://www.wowwiki.com/Server:Demon_Soul |
| 03:16.49 | Corrodias | it still amazes me that people were gullible enough to join them. maybe just nobody told them about the reputation because they want to "avoid drama". |
| 03:16.52 | Kemayo | Cairenn: Thanks. :D |
| 03:17.18 | End | my guild had maybe 10-15 leave at one point |
| 03:17.21 | End | some of the came back |
| 03:17.33 | End | we weren't sure if we wanted them back at first |
| 03:17.51 | End | and the guild they want to failed pretty bad :P |
| 03:18.42 | End | the theory was there was too many expieranced players in that guild (since a lot of guilds got to bleed a little) and everyone had a different idea on how things had to be done |
| 03:19.20 | Industrial | You are now Frienylu with Thunter Bluff |
| 03:21.00 | Cairenn | guys, can I interrupt for a sec? What the heck are "StinkyQueue" and "Preform AV Enabler" and such? |
| 03:21.15 | End | dunno |
| 03:21.18 | End | sounds stinky though |
| 03:21.18 | Corrodias | never heard of them |
| 03:22.00 | Cairenn | http://wow.curse-gaming.com/en/files/details/5418/preform-av-enabler/ |
| 03:22.01 | End | ah |
| 03:22.03 | Cairenn | is one of them |
| 03:22.13 | Cairenn | there's a lot of debate about them on the US ui forum |
| 03:22.23 | End | stinky queue sounds like it lets you get into AV with other players in your raid |
| 03:22.30 | End | since there is no join as group for AV |
| 03:22.35 | End | like there is for AB or WSG |
| 03:22.38 | [Cu]WerikXMAS | aaaaa |
| 03:22.40 | Cairenn | yeah, that's what they seem to be |
| 03:22.52 | [Cu]WerikXMAS | Every time someone mentiones that project, my head starts to hurt |
| 03:23.05 | Cairenn | which, StinkyQueue? |
| 03:23.11 | [Cu]WerikXMAS | perform av |
| 03:23.24 | [Cu]WerikXMAS | Just read the comments |
| 03:23.24 | Cairenn | yeah, same sort of thing from what I gather |
| 03:23.29 | [Cu]WerikXMAS | there is a war over there:) |
| 03:23.33 | Cairenn | yeah, saw them |
| 03:24.04 | [Cu]WerikXMAS | The guy asked me to remove another project which made it useable for alliance |
| 03:24.08 | Cairenn | so what do you guys think about them? are they within the bounds or are they over the line of what Blizz wants? |
| 03:24.17 | [Cu]WerikXMAS | it was a patched version of his original addon |
| 03:24.22 | End | I doubt blizzard wants them |
| 03:24.41 | Cairenn | [Cu]WerikXMAS: yeah, it's no been uploaded to wowi and I'm trying to decide whether to allow or not :p |
| 03:24.45 | End | but without looking at how they actually work, they probably just automatically have everyone hit join at the same time |
| 03:24.57 | Cairenn | now* |
| 03:25.09 | [Cu]WerikXMAS | Well, my part was easy, our Term of Usa doesnt allow the reopload of any IP without permission |
| 03:25.48 | Cairenn | same here |
| 03:26.10 | Cairenn | but I was just trying to find out if a) Blizz is cool with them and b) which version of it this is that's on my site |
| 03:26.18 | Corrodias | i don't feel comfortable speculating on what the blizzard wants, like blizzard is a god and i'm his prophet |
| 03:26.29 | [Cu]WerikXMAS | Well, my personal opinion is it kills AVs |
| 03:26.42 | [Cu]WerikXMAS | its not fun to fight against a 40 man premade |
| 03:26.47 | Imrcly | it adds dsomething to av that should be there by default |
| 03:27.10 | Imrcly | make it so premades fight premades atleast though |
| 03:27.13 | Corrodias | i also don't feel comfortable dictating what people should be able to do based on whether or not i enjoy the effect, regardless of what Blizzard allows |
| 03:27.18 | End | well, the thing is you can probably do it reasonably well by hand if you coordinate on vent |
| 03:27.38 | Imrcly | my guild did it before the mod the mod just makes it easier |
| 03:27.42 | Corrodias | the last AV premade group i saw did it via vent, yes |
| 03:28.03 | End | I'd think the only way to really "fix" such a problem is cause the queue to mix itself or something |
| 03:28.07 | [Cu]WerikXMAS | Well, there is a reason you cant join as group this is my two cents |
| 03:28.18 | Corrodias | except... you -can- join as a group |
| 03:28.24 | End | no, you can't |
| 03:28.26 | End | not with AV |
| 03:28.30 | Imrcly | sorry to go off topic but is there a replacement for chatbox? |
| 03:28.39 | Corrodias | you just said you "can probably do it reasonably well by hand if you coordinate on vent" |
| 03:28.43 | Corrodias | which is true |
| 03:28.46 | End | well |
| 03:29.02 | End | yes, but I thought you were talking about the button |
| 03:29.03 | Imrcly | or just everyone que for one bg |
| 03:29.09 | End | the "join as group" button |
| 03:29.33 | Cairenn | Imrcly: there are lots of chat mods out there ... |
| 03:29.50 | [Cu]WerikXMAS | I can see this function as part of the upcoming bg system |
| 03:29.57 | End | I don't care that much personally |
| 03:29.59 | End | although |
| 03:30.04 | [Cu]WerikXMAS | But I'm pretty sure it wasnt intended to use it like this at the moment |
| 03:30.04 | Cairenn | Shadowed: I brought it up specifically to see what you guys thought about it |
| 03:30.11 | End | it did give me the first win out of like 8 AVs I did when the new honor system came out |
| 03:30.32 | Corrodias | blizzard is not a god. you don't have to speculate on his Word. |
| 03:30.34 | Shadowed | Cairenn: Allowed until blizzard says otherwise |
| 03:30.38 | Corrodias | if they don't like it, they'll say so. |
| 03:30.42 | End | and oddly, it caused AV to be played more in what looks like was the original play style of AV o_O |
| 03:31.08 | End | that AV wasn't a race, and we ended up winning although it took us an hour |
| 03:31.15 | Imrcly | yeah premades make av harder and last longer i had one last nearly an hour yesterday |
| 03:31.19 | Shadowed | not really |
| 03:31.32 | End | not really which? |
| 03:31.34 | Shadowed | a pre-made knows they can go directly to the generals |
| 03:31.35 | Corrodias | ya really |
| 03:31.40 | Shadowed | they don't need to spend a hour fighting in FOS |
| 03:31.42 | Shadowed | or defneding |
| 03:31.44 | Shadowed | defending* |
| 03:31.52 | Guillotine | the reason premades aren't allowed in AV is b/c they were making the queue too long. read back in the blue post archive |
| 03:31.56 | Guillotine | so, imo, those mods are ok |
| 03:31.58 | End | we weren't fighting in FOS |
| 03:32.00 | Corrodias | the pre-mades can decide on a strategy. |
| 03:32.01 | Shadowed | wrong Guillotine :p |
| 03:32.05 | Corrodias | -that- is the only benefit. |
| 03:32.12 | Shadowed | it was easy to abuse the system for honor |
| 03:32.14 | [Cu]WerikXMAS | Maybe you dont Corrodias, but we have to. These are important issues for an addon hosting site :) |
| 03:32.16 | Guillotine | Shadowed: now I have to find the post from blue saying that to prove you wrong :P |
| 03:32.20 | Shadowed | yep go find it |
| 03:32.41 | End | in fact, the way we did it was by specifically bottlenecking them at stonehearth (We are horde) and then pushing them back |
| 03:32.47 | Shadowed | AV queues we're always to long regardless of join as a group, I remember waiting 6-8 hours a day to get into a game even when they added multi queues |
| 03:32.57 | Corrodias | fine. i advocate hosting -all- addons unless disallowed by Blizzard. |
| 03:33.02 | Corrodias | i'll take a side |
| 03:33.08 | Cairenn | Guillotine: you contradicted yourself |
| 03:33.12 | Shadowed | But back then, you could mass tons and tons of honor from win trading due to it only being WSG and AV |
| 03:33.18 | Cairenn | (10:31:44 PM) Guillotine: the reason premades aren't allowed in AV is b/c they were making the queue too long. read back in the blue post archive |
| 03:33.18 | Cairenn | (10:31:48 PM) Guillotine: so, imo, those mods are ok |
| 03:33.19 | Shadowed | haha |
| 03:33.32 | Guillotine | exactly. but the curren way doesn't guarantee their in the same one |
| 03:33.34 | Shadowed | Perform AV enabler is using obfuscated code |
| 03:33.35 | Guillotine | it doesn't extend the que |
| 03:33.44 | Guillotine | so the queue won't last any longer |
| 03:34.07 | Shadowed | The current method is a bug |
| 03:34.08 | Guillotine | before, you were getting 10 groups of 21 people, so NO AV games would start, despite the fact that there were plenty people |
| 03:34.13 | [Cu]WerikXMAS | yeah well all it does is queue x number of people, in the shortest possible time intervall |
| 03:34.31 | Guillotine | this way, the games will still start |
| 03:34.43 | Shadowed | Perform AV Enabler is a silly mod |
| 03:34.43 | Guillotine | so it doesn't go against the design decision |
| 03:34.59 | Corrodias | it's a badly named one |
| 03:35.08 | Shadowed | All it's done is taken what StinkyQueue has been doing for almost two months, rereleased and obfuscated the code |
| 03:35.09 | Guillotine | wait... does it actually add the option or just queue everyone all at once? |
| 03:35.17 | Shadowed | at once Guillotine |
| 03:35.20 | Guillotine | ya, I assumed it did what StinkyQueue did |
| 03:35.25 | Guillotine | ya, then I stand by what I said |
| 03:35.27 | Shadowed | This is how it works |
| 03:36.03 | Shadowed | Before 2.0.1 came out, you'd make a mod that has everyone go talk to the AV battlemaster and be on the join battlefield page, you then start a countdown and when it hits 0 the mod sends something saying to queue and they all see it and hit join at the same time ( or just do a vent countdown ) |
| 03:36.33 | Shadowed | In 2.0.1 JoinBattlefield no longer checks if you can group queue before doing it, so when you call /script JoinBattlefield( 0, 1 ) as the party/raid leader it queues everyone at the same time without them having to be at the battlemastr |
| 03:36.36 | Shadowed | +e |
| 03:36.45 | Guillotine | oh, wow |
| 03:37.01 | Guillotine | I just assumed it did what stinkyque did |
| 03:37.02 | cladhaire | what happened is they changed the backend so it didn't put a full group in a single AV |
| 03:37.05 | End | interesting |
| 03:37.09 | cladhaire | and they then hnid the button. |
| 03:37.15 | cladhaire | the code behind the button still works |
| 03:37.16 | cladhaire | but not as well |
| 03:37.21 | Shadowed | cladhaire: Up until 2.0.1 you couldn't do that |
| 03:37.28 | cladhaire | *nod* |
| 03:37.33 | Shadowed | calling JoinBattlefield( 0, 1 ) would have just solo queued you before it |
| 03:37.34 | Corrodias | i don't understand :( |
| 03:37.37 | Guillotine | they should add it back anyway imo, with cross-server BGs |
| 03:37.52 | Shadowed | not that it matters anyway since the honor system is a joke and has no competition |
| 03:37.53 | Guillotine | but ya, if thats queueing as group, I'd say it could be an exploit |
| 03:38.00 | Shadowed | it's not queueing as a group per say |
| 03:38.03 | Corrodias | so is everyone queued -as a group- or just simultaneously? |
| 03:38.09 | *** join/#wowi-lounge St-Knight (i=illus@68-170-175-165.atlaga.adelphia.net) |
| 03:38.09 | Shadowed | simultaneously |
| 03:38.24 | Shadowed | everyone in the group is being queued at the same time, that increases your chance of being put into the same AV instance but does not mean you will |
| 03:38.30 | [Cu]WerikXMAS | it's still a way to work around the group join, and it works quiet well |
| 03:38.31 | cladhaire | yep |
| 03:38.38 | cladhaire | we did it alot last night |
| 03:38.48 | Corrodias | sounds fine to me |
| 03:39.07 | Imrcly | it works around group queing but still avoids hte problem of group queing |
| 03:39.17 | Shadowed | The question really is |
| 03:39.31 | [Cu]WerikXMAS | Who knows why did they really remove that option |
| 03:39.35 | Shadowed | Is it a bug that it's not doing a group queue check before queueing everyone, or is it intended and they havn't implemented it yt |
| 03:39.36 | Shadowed | yet* |
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| 03:40.11 | Shadowed | CanJoinBattlefieldAsGroup() still returns false for AV however, so i'm guessing it's a bug |
| 03:40.52 | [Cu]WerikXMAS | Well this can be solved easily, all we have to do is send a mail to them and ask it |
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| 03:41.20 | Shadowed | yeah |
| 03:41.23 | Corrodias | a blizzard rep will tell you if they want you to host the addon? |
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| 03:41.42 | Shadowed | they have before apparently |
| 03:41.47 | [Cu]WerikXMAS | They will tell you if they want it to be removed |
| 03:41.49 | KiphereCE | dinky doo |
| 03:42.35 | Guillotine | maybe someone should make a GM ticket asking |
| 03:42.43 | cladhaire | GM's can't say or do anything |
| 03:42.44 | Shadowed | Because GM's are reliable? :p |
| 03:42.44 | Corrodias | GM's don't know, though |
| 03:42.54 | Cairenn | GMs can't make a call on it |
| 03:42.57 | cladhaire | they'll tell you to remove your WTF and WDB folders. |
| 03:43.06 | Corrodias | hahah |
| 03:43.07 | Cairenn | has to be a dev |
| 03:43.20 | Guillotine | haha. I know. but at least if you ask a GM if its ok and they say 'yes', they can't take action against you if it isn't ok |
| 03:43.23 | Shadowed | Although it is odd that they just started complaining about it, both SSPVP and StinkyQueue had features to queue everyone at the same time if they had the mod for about two months before people started complaing |
| 03:43.24 | KiphereCE | Asking a GM a question like that, is like calling a helpdesk. |
| 03:43.26 | KiphereCE | anywhere |
| 03:43.39 | [Cu]WerikXMAS | If they wanted it to be removed, they would have probably told it to us though. They are surprisingly fast in these cases |
| 03:43.47 | Shadowed | GM's can't tell if you're using the mod or not though |
| 03:43.51 | End | I don't think dev is even the right word...designer is probably what you want |
| 03:44.03 | End | slouken might not even know the answer |
| 03:44.27 | Cairenn | slouken won't, he'll have to go ask the devs |
| 03:44.36 | End | I consider slouken a dev |
| 03:44.41 | End | I consider your "devs" the designers |
| 03:44.49 | Iriel | I think she means 'designers' |
| 03:44.52 | End | yeah |
| 03:44.52 | Cairenn | slouken is one of the programmers |
| 03:44.54 | Shadowed | does slouken do the actual coding of the backend, or does he have to ask the designers for new functions? |
| 03:44.56 | Corrodias | i consider youre designers my fanboys |
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| 03:45.09 | cladhaire | Shadowed: Well, he codes, they design |
| 03:45.11 | Mike-N-Go | Hi Cairenn! |
| 03:45.13 | cladhaire | they don't code, he doesn't design =) |
| 03:45.13 | Shadowed | ah |
| 03:45.14 | Cairenn | okay, sure, change dev to design then |
| 03:45.28 | End | anyways, slouken calls them the game designers I think :P |
| 03:45.31 | Shadowed | i'd think he would know then since he'd probably know if it's a bug or not |
| 03:45.45 | End | he might know |
| 03:45.47 | Corrodias | he'd know if that part is a bug, but they'd know if they want to allow it at all |
| 03:45.50 | Cairenn | I use those two interchangeably and programmer as something else |
| 03:45.52 | Shadowed | they don't care |
| 03:46.02 | End | although, if there was an intentional design change he might not know either |
| 03:46.09 | Shadowed | I saw teams in AV most of the day when I was doing my Marshal grind for 2-3 months |
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| 03:46.20 | Shadowed | 2-3 months *before* 2.0.1 came out and people started complaing about this |
| 03:46.32 | cladhaire | Shadowed: Having done it, how do you feel about the honor changes? |
| 03:46.39 | cladhaire | exactly, it was always possible. |
| 03:46.40 | cladhaire | very easy as well |
| 03:46.51 | Shadowed | If Blizzard didn't want it, people would have been being banned by now, the only reason people are complaing about it is because they can get easy epics |
| 03:47.01 | cladhaire | Shadowed: They don't ban peopel for using addons |
| 03:47.07 | cladhaire | that's been made explicitly clear |
| 03:47.12 | cladhaire | they would have to say something to the community first |
| 03:47.21 | [Cu]WerikXMAS | though |
| 03:47.23 | Shadowed | if they didn't want it, they would have said something or disabled it sooner then |
| 03:47.27 | [Cu]WerikXMAS | they would do it on the forums |
| 03:47.32 | cladhaire | correct |
| 03:47.35 | Shadowed | cladhaire: I think they're terrible, it's silly to allow people to get weapons that are slightly worst then naxx ones in a few days of work |
| 03:47.36 | Guillotine | thei'll warn you if its an illegal addon (such as cross faction communication), then 3 hour suspension, then 3 day, then ban |
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| 03:47.46 | [Cu]WerikXMAS | which is not much help considering that 7.5 million players use wow and like 400,000 reads forums |
| 03:47.52 | [Cu]WerikXMAS | but that's the blizzard way:P |
| 03:47.53 | Shadowed | it's kind of sad to see people being able to get the same items that you took 2-3 months to get in a week or two of pvp |
| 03:48.08 | End | it takes 2-3 months to get all the items though |
| 03:48.10 | End | well |
| 03:48.12 | cladhaire | but you do agree the odl honor sstem was horribly flawed, right? |
| 03:48.13 | End | ok maybe 1-2 |
| 03:48.17 | cladhaire | the point is |
| 03:48.25 | cladhaire | now a number of poeple can get those items in 2-3 months, instead of 2 =) |
| 03:48.51 | Corrodias | you guys need to hear the parable of the WORKERS IN THE FIELD |
| 03:48.51 | End | unless you mean the first week or two, in which case, you'd get all the items in one week :P |
| 03:48.51 | cladhaire | tho is kinda sucks for people like you |
| 03:48.51 | Shadowed | mmm i'm pretty sure you could get a full FM set in a month |
| 03:48.51 | End | but they changed that |
| 03:48.51 | End | maaaybe |
| 03:48.52 | Shadowed | and probably a weapon or two in that time |
| 03:48.53 | End | I'm skeptical |
| 03:49.06 | End | then again |
| 03:49.06 | [Cu]WerikXMAS | you can make 15k honor a day |
| 03:49.12 | [Cu]WerikXMAS | or more |
| 03:49.13 | End | I don't pvp a lot |
| 03:49.25 | End | it'd probably take me like 3-4 months to get everything |
| 03:49.36 | cladhaire | Werik: 15k is tough, possible.. yes.. tough.. aboslultey. |
| 03:49.49 | Shadowed | cladhaire: Yes, it was a horribly flawed system that lead to people sharing to get rank and making it harder for those who actually played honestly and tried to rank up...but I prefer that one to this one since at least you had to put some effort to get good gear instead of just being able to do it in a few weeks |
| 03:49.51 | [Cu]WerikXMAS | depends on server cladhaire |
| 03:50.01 | cladhaire | No, it dewpends on time entirely =) |
| 03:50.14 | cladhaire | its not an unlimited ceiling, there's an upper limit. |
| 03:50.24 | [Cu]WerikXMAS | For example, on dragonblight eu, which is a pvp server, 300k honor / week was considered no lifer |
| 03:50.31 | cladhaire | in the old system, yes |
| 03:50.38 | cladhaire | not in the new system, which is what i thought we were discussing =) |
| 03:50.39 | [Cu]WerikXMAS | on stormscale, people had 900k/1million / week |
| 03:50.41 | cladhaire | if not, my apoligies. |
| 03:50.42 | Shadowed | AV weekend was like 1.1 million for top 3 |
| 03:50.58 | Corrodias | he's illustrating a point about the differences between realms, not between systems |
| 03:50.59 | End | I had heard of a realm where one guy kept max rank for over a month |
| 03:50.59 | [Cu]WerikXMAS | and this difference remains |
| 03:51.02 | End | because he could |
| 03:51.05 | Shadowed | End: Yep |
| 03:51.05 | [Cu]WerikXMAS | doesnt matter what system you use |
| 03:51.05 | End | everyone hated him for it |
| 03:51.07 | cladhaire | no, it doesn't |
| 03:51.22 | cladhaire | because its not relative anymore. |
| 03:51.23 | Shadowed | End: Icecrown US, Haunted. He kept his Rogue at GM for like 2 months, got a Priest to GM and a mage to marshal |
| 03:51.26 | [Cu]WerikXMAS | some realms still have instant queues |
| 03:51.32 | [Cu]WerikXMAS | others still have to wait 30 minutes/bg |
| 03:51.38 | [Cu]WerikXMAS | insta queue-> more honor |
| 03:51.41 | [Cu]WerikXMAS | simple as that |
| 03:51.44 | cladhaire | they are cross realm |
| 03:51.50 | cladhaire | i haven't had an issue on any of my battlegroups. |
| 03:51.58 | cladhaire | alliance versus horde, yes.. there's a big difference. |
| 03:52.03 | Corrodias | i'm still burned out from those last 2 weeks of school. yawning right after sleeping all day... |
| 03:52.33 | Shadowed | The people who complain about those that would make GM and then keep it for a few weeks/months are fun though since they don't understand the system at all |
| 03:52.48 | Corrodias | they don't? |
| 03:52.51 | [Cu]WerikXMAS | so if you ask me, this new system is just as bad as the old one:) |
| 03:53.02 | Shadowed | Corrodias nope |
| 03:53.07 | cladhaire | You haven't seen the new system |
| 03:53.08 | cladhaire | in live yet. |
| 03:53.13 | Shadowed | cladhaire: eh? |
| 03:53.17 | cladhaire | so you're drawing conclusions based on nothing |
| 03:53.19 | Shadowed | you mean the arena system? |
| 03:53.19 | [Cu]WerikXMAS | will it solve faction imbalance? |
| 03:53.19 | Corrodias | well -i- haven't |
| 03:53.23 | cladhaire | the pvp rewards as they stand today, mean nothing. |
| 03:53.29 | cladhaire | nothing will solve faction imbalance. |
| 03:53.33 | Shadowed | wrong |
| 03:53.34 | cladhaire | period =) |
| 03:53.35 | [Cu]WerikXMAS | then its broken |
| 03:53.40 | Shadowed | pvp rewards are still useful, you wont be replacing them at level 61 |
| 03:53.42 | cladhaire | then its the game's fault |
| 03:53.43 | cladhaire | not the system |
| 03:53.52 | cladhaire | Shadowed: No, arena rewawards will blow the pvp rewards out of the water |
| 03:53.59 | End | uh |
| 03:54.02 | Shadowed | of course, arena rewards are level 70 too :p |
| 03:54.02 | [Cu]WerikXMAS | not true:) there is always a system which works;) |
| 03:54.04 | cladhaire | im' not saying they are superceded by pve gear |
| 03:54.05 | End | you don't get arena awards til level 70 |
| 03:54.08 | End | so, yeah |
| 03:54.13 | Corrodias | Shadowed: in what way are people misunderstanding the system if they are annoyed at someone for intentionally keeping them out of getting a pvp reward? |
| 03:54.13 | End | it doesn't matter for a few levels ;p |
| 03:54.15 | cladhaire | if you're pVPing' instead of leveling to 70 |
| 03:54.17 | cladhaire | you shoudl be shot. |
| 03:54.22 | cladhaire | is my point =) |
| 03:54.28 | Shadowed | Corrodias: It's a competition, it's not "Line up and let people get there epics" |
| 03:54.41 | cladhaire | Werik: What fixes it then? |
| 03:54.42 | Corrodias | then we shouldn't be able to use items after buying them if we don't maintain our rank, either |
| 03:54.47 | Corrodias | but they changed that |
| 03:54.48 | cladhaire | Werik: Arena does, simple as that |
| 03:55.01 | [Cu]WerikXMAS | Did you see it live?:) |
| 03:55.03 | Shadowed | They changed that because the old system it was unrealistic to have to keep your tank |
| 03:55.05 | End | it mostly was a time spent in a certain amount of time competition though |
| 03:55.06 | cladhaire | Werik: They'd love to go back and make battlegrounds same-faction able.. but they can't be right now. |
| 03:55.06 | cladhaire | no |
| 03:55.08 | cladhaire | but its simple math |
| 03:55.09 | Shadowed | true End |
| 03:55.15 | Corrodias | but it's a competition. if you can't keep your rank, you don't deserve it. |
| 03:55.15 | End | plus side about arenas, is it isn't time anymore |
| 03:55.19 | cladhaire | why doesn't it work now, because it has to be horde versus alliance |
| 03:55.29 | cladhaire | that's no longer an issue with arena, thus problem solved. |
| 03:55.30 | End | losing matters quite a bit it sounds like |
| 03:55.32 | Shadowed | Thats a different argument |
| 03:55.34 | [Cu]WerikXMAS | the whole battleground idea is wrong imho |
| 03:55.38 | [Cu]WerikXMAS | at least this way |
| 03:55.40 | cladhaire | no it was right, for the time. |
| 03:55.43 | cladhaire | but it doesn't matter |
| 03:55.44 | Corrodias | battlegrounds are immoral |
| 03:55.59 | cladhaire | its deprecated. |
| 03:56.06 | Shadowed | Arena's are going to be fun, but I really hope the stamina changes rebalance everything |
| 03:56.14 | Corrodias | so you're saying that battlegrounds are pointless now, in favor of the arena? |
| 03:56.15 | Shadowed | since the current skills/talents make PVP boring |
| 03:56.18 | cladhaire | yes |
| 03:56.23 | cladhaire | Corrodias: Thats the entire point =) |
| 03:56.24 | Shadowed | Battlegrounds are pointless now |
| 03:56.27 | cladhaire | the old system dies, the new system takes over |
| 03:56.31 | [Cu]WerikXMAS | well |
| 03:56.31 | Shadowed | everythings horribly inbalanced |
| 03:56.33 | cladhaire | they've made that very cleary |
| 03:56.38 | [Cu]WerikXMAS | honor wont worth anything at 70 |
| 03:56.44 | [Cu]WerikXMAS | everything will be about arena points |
| 03:56.46 | Corrodias | 1) why did they add another battleground? and 2) don't arena rewards work just like the old BG rewards did? |
| 03:56.48 | cladhaire | yes |
| 03:56.51 | cladhaire | that's what i've been saying? |
| 03:56.55 | cladhaire | Corrodias: No, not in the least |
| 03:57.07 | [Cu]WerikXMAS | all you can do with your gazillion of honor is buying pvp potions and gems |
| 03:57.10 | cladhaire | You guys really need to a.) read up on the new system, and b.) try it for yourselves |
| 03:57.11 | Corrodias | i mean PvP rewards, not BG rewards |
| 03:57.16 | [Cu]WerikXMAS | and battle standard for 28k honor |
| 03:57.20 | [Cu]WerikXMAS | which was 5g before lol |
| 03:57.28 | End | wasn't it more like 2g? |
| 03:57.36 | [Cu]WerikXMAS | does it matter?:) |
| 03:57.38 | cladhaire | but it required.. what.. rank 9? |
| 03:57.43 | End | no it doesn't matter :P |
| 03:57.45 | Shadowed | cladhaire: level my warrior to 70 please :( |
| 03:57.48 | End | rank 9 was easy |
| 03:57.52 | cladhaire | Shadowed: Leveling is easy |
| 03:57.54 | Corrodias | what concerns me is what i've heard about arena "teams"... if my partners are on, does that mean i can't play? |
| 03:57.54 | cladhaire | End: Define easy |
| 03:57.56 | cladhaire | it wasn't for me |
| 03:57.57 | Corrodias | *aren't on |
| 03:58.02 | cladhaire | I got stuck at legonairre |
| 03:58.08 | [Cu]WerikXMAS | that battle standard costs more than a piece of marshal gear |
| 03:58.10 | [Cu]WerikXMAS | its a joke |
| 03:58.11 | End | easier than the higher ranks at least :P |
| 03:58.13 | Shadowed | I have no willpower to level on beta, not sure if i'll continue when TBC comes out actually :p |
| 03:58.13 | cladhaire | Corrodias: You can skirmish, and not get rated battles |
| 03:58.14 | End | I can tell you that |
| 03:58.28 | cladhaire | Shadowed: you dont need to level to arena... |
| 03:58.38 | cladhaire | End: Yes, of course |
| 03:58.38 | End | after a certain point, I didn't have the time to spend, so I just stopped playing in battlegrounds at all very suddenly |
| 03:58.40 | cladhaire | but still |
| 03:58.57 | cladhaire | i mean i gues its my fault for asking the initial question |
| 03:59.03 | End | well.... |
| 03:59.04 | cladhaire | but the points being argued here don't matter any more =) |
| 03:59.35 | [Cu]WerikXMAS | though arena can solve the endless honor grind |
| 03:59.35 | End | it's relative, so since I got farther than you did, I guess it just seemed easier |
| 03:59.35 | Shadowed | cladhaire: you do if you want to play rated! |
| 03:59.36 | Corrodias | why would they make a new battleground after making it useless? do they just enjoy wasting time? |
| 03:59.36 | [Cu]WerikXMAS | I'm not sure but I guess, there is a fixed amount of arena matches you have to fight a week right? |
| 03:59.42 | Shadowed | I've been playing arena's on live, it's silly |
| 03:59.53 | Shadowed | critting clothies for 1k-1.6k white damage with DW up is boring |
| 04:00.00 | cladhaire | Corrodias: Because it is fun, and a good idea |
| 04:00.07 | cladhaire | Corrodias: But that will use the new "old" honor system |
| 04:00.16 | cladhaire | the real rewards will always be in the arena system |
| 04:00.18 | cladhaire | that's why it has the seasons |
| 04:00.25 | [Cu]WerikXMAS | Corrodias: there will be people who wont buy TBC |
| 04:00.27 | Shadowed | Zone in, Charge, Switch to berserker, Bloodrage, berserker rage, Deathwish, HS, Hs, WW, dead, repeat |
| 04:00.29 | cladhaire | Werik: you onloy get 10 rated matches per bracket per week |
| 04:00.42 | [Cu]WerikXMAS | they cant access the arena rewards |
| 04:00.47 | [Cu]WerikXMAS | they will do bgs |
| 04:00.57 | Corrodias | there will be ten of them. |
| 04:01.18 | Corrodias | 5 v 5 battleground match, haha.. except the BC twinks will steamroll them |
| 04:01.32 | [Cu]WerikXMAS | ;] |
| 04:01.52 | [Cu]WerikXMAS | yeah a good way for gearing up alts:P |
| 04:02.08 | Corrodias | growing up as a druid, i never liked pvp... |
| 04:02.14 | cladhaire | Blasphemy! |
| 04:02.23 | Shadowed | I'm looking forward to 2vs2 arenas |
| 04:02.34 | End | I never liked pvp on my druid because I was resto speced |
| 04:02.36 | Shadowed | hmm |
| 04:02.39 | [Cu]WerikXMAS | playing as a paladin since closed us beta, all I had is pvp:P |
| 04:02.39 | End | ganking is such a chore! |
| 04:02.45 | Shadowed | i'm going to start posting on all of the stinkyqueue topics that it's illegal I think |
| 04:02.46 | Tain | As all good druids should be! |
| 04:02.51 | Corrodias | i'd need something much different to be an arena fighter than a hybrid druid |
| 04:02.53 | Shadowed | I found playing a resto druid in WSG to be fun |
| 04:03.00 | Corrodias | *different from, not than |
| 04:03.02 | End | actually, I suppose my druid is still resto, but now I'm only playing my mage |
| 04:03.20 | Tain | A druid that isn't resto is a smelly stinky druid |
| 04:03.35 | End | I had fun healing guildies, but it kills me when I'm out in the world |
| 04:04.02 | Corrodias | i suppose healing priests have the same problem |
| 04:04.10 | cladhaire | Shadowed: Its not illegal. |
| 04:04.11 | cladhaire | it never will be |
| 04:04.16 | cladhaire | So why would you do that? |
| 04:04.25 | Corrodias | just to make people argue more :) |
| 04:04.27 | End | one part I enjoyed was trying to not die when people noticed I was healing and started ffing on me :P |
| 04:04.37 | Corrodias | ffing? |
| 04:04.38 | Shadowed | cladhaire: I know that |
| 04:04.41 | End | focus firing |
| 04:04.42 | Shadowed | they don't :p |
| 04:04.46 | cladhaire | bah |
| 04:04.51 | cladhaire | drama is badwhen you have to create it. |
| 04:04.55 | End | bear form comes in handy |
| 04:04.55 | cladhaire | that's just not fun. |
| 04:05.02 | Corrodias | my bear form is shit |
| 04:05.04 | Shadowed | I'm not creating it, i'm just helping it along |
| 04:05.27 | Corrodias | 5k armor and 5k health with little combat ability :P |
| 04:05.39 | End | I have about 8 or 9k armor |
| 04:05.45 | End | aaain my normal gear |
| 04:05.46 | End | ack |
| 04:05.57 | Shadowed | "Yeah it's illegal, i kow a friend whos guild got banned for using it i would suggest uninstalling it as soon as you can and warning others" |
| 04:05.58 | Shadowed | should work fine |
| 04:06.00 | End | about same amount of health |
| 04:07.00 | Corrodias | i also have some characters who no longer exist, or did before i recreated them again, anyway |
| 04:07.13 | End | my mage is still level 53 on the forums |
| 04:07.14 | Corrodias | customer support might be able to help you with that... |
| 04:07.20 | Shadowed | No I mean I've never played or created this character, i've never had a level 36 Druid |
| 04:07.28 | Corrodias | that's a little weird |
| 04:07.33 | Shadowed | yeah... |
| 04:07.33 | End | what's the druid's name? |
| 04:07.39 | Shadowed | Tige, icecrown |
| 04:07.45 | Shadowed | 36 female druid |
| 04:07.50 | End | interesting |
| 04:07.51 | Tain | WoW should support playing with the Wii controllers. |
| 04:07.56 | Shadowed | lol |
| 04:08.08 | End | WoW doesn't seem well suited to that sort of thing o_O |
| 04:08.19 | End | but that's just me |
| 04:08.25 | Shadowed | The main issue would be lack of buttons, but it would be kind of fun |
| 04:08.47 | End | it would work better for some classes than others |
| 04:08.54 | Shadowed | Like Rogues! |
| 04:09.01 | Tain | Hunters on raids! |
| 04:09.10 | Mike-N-Go | Moo@ |
| 04:09.14 | Tain | Actually you only need one button to be a hunter on raids. |
| 04:09.14 | Corrodias | sadly, i have not yet found a class that is simple to play |
| 04:09.25 | Shadowed | raid with a Rogue! |
| 04:09.39 | End | most classes seem pretty simple on raids, but maybe I'm just shortminded |
| 04:09.52 | Tain | Dagger Rogue on a raid is annoying since you have to constantly reposition. |
| 04:09.55 | Corrodias | they probably are |
| 04:10.04 | Shadowed | you can simplify every class to 2-3 buttons in raids really |
| 04:10.13 | Tain | IT's not exactly hard. But I find it annoying. |
| 04:10.40 | Corrodias | time to vacuum out my computer and set it up |
| 04:10.40 | End | well, for some fights you might need 1 or 2 other buttons too |
| 04:10.44 | Tain | If I play my Rogue in TBC I'll get him some swords (or maybe say screw it and just get maces0 and the hell with daggers. |
| 04:10.51 | Corrodias | i wonder if i can just connect my monitor up... |
| 04:12.21 | Djanee | 6-+ |
| 04:13.17 | Shadowed | I hope one of you aren't Ryzic |
| 04:14.43 | End | I don't even know who Ryzic is |
| 04:14.48 | End | but I can guess |
| 04:14.59 | End | or I could find out, but looking on the forums |
| 04:15.03 | End | er, byt |
| 04:15.04 | Shadowed | Someone who's already posted saying that stinykqueue isn't illegal |
| 04:15.05 | End | by |
| 04:15.06 | Shadowed | ruined the fun |
| 04:15.14 | End | lol |
| 04:15.26 | End | gah |
| 04:15.28 | End | I hate silencing shot |
| 04:16.26 | Guillotine | hunters are OP :( |
| 04:16.35 | End | warlocks are worse |
| 04:17.10 | Guillotine | depends on your class. but ya, they are for more |
| 04:17.11 | Shadowed | ^ |
| 04:17.14 | Shadowed | warlocks are the worst if you can't heal |
| 04:17.15 | End | warlocks give me the illusion I can kill them, then I die just by being dotted |
| 04:17.32 | End | well |
| 04:17.42 | Guillotine | on my gf's lock, we can kill about 6 people in AV. We die, but they all die after we do |
| 04:17.49 | End | I can't kill warlocks on my druid either. I get feared, and then I die |
| 04:17.58 | Guillotine | can't kill anything with druids >< |
| 04:18.05 | Guillotine | until BC when we can get feral staves |
| 04:18.07 | Shadowed | Warlocks we're easy on my shadow priest |
| 04:18.08 | Industrial | WOTF ftw |
| 04:18.39 | End | my mage isn't different. I get feared, I wotf, I get dotted, I maybe kill them, I probably die |
| 04:18.47 | End | er, is different |
| 04:18.49 | Shadowed | naw not WoTF |
| 04:18.52 | End | but only slightly :P |
| 04:18.54 | Shadowed | fear or silence them before they can get the fear off |
| 04:19.11 | End | I've done that, and it helped |
| 04:19.23 | End | I think I still died though :( |
| 04:19.45 | End | my mage needs more health :( |
| 04:19.51 | Shadowed | Shadow priests are hacks in general though |
| 04:20.04 | Shadowed | VE, VT, SW:P, MB, MF, MF, MF, MF, MF, MF, MF, MF, MF, MF, MF, Repeat |
| 04:20.27 | End | yea |
| 04:20.34 | End | I stopped playing my priest |
| 04:20.51 | End | it was...feh |
| 04:20.51 | Industrial | mines 30 in ashenvale |
| 04:20.52 | Industrial | :D |
| 04:21.00 | Shadowed | being able to kill 2-3 people at once in rank 10 gear and general blues is just silly |
| 04:23.31 | cladhaire | i like my druid the best |
| 04:23.35 | cladhaire | i like being able to adapt |
| 04:23.53 | End | I don't enjoy my druid anymore |
| 04:24.01 | End | I suspect I've just been resto too long |
| 04:24.02 | cladhaire | why not? |
| 04:24.08 | cladhaire | well you can't be resto |
| 04:24.14 | cladhaire | anythign beyond 21 points resto is fluff |
| 04:24.15 | End | yeah |
| 04:24.21 | cladhaire | unless you're at KT |
| 04:24.35 | End | although, come to think of it, I did enjoy playing my druid as feral in beta quite a bit |
| 04:24.45 | cladhaire | guild motto, skill > talents. |
| 04:25.15 | End | we actually have a moonkin in my guild |
| 04:25.25 | End | and it was my idea to invite him into the guild :P |
| 04:25.40 | Corrodias | so what are those "essential" 21 points, cladhaire? |
| 04:25.40 | Industrial | hahahaha last.fm gives me britney spears |
| 04:25.45 | cladhaire | Corrodias: Nature's swiftness |
| 04:25.47 | Industrial | spear britney! |
| 04:25.58 | Corrodias | if you say so |
| 04:26.11 | cladhaire | i do, because thats whats important to me =) |
| 04:26.18 | End | if you lag a lot, it's horrible :P |
| 04:26.21 | Corrodias | but what makes it essential to me? |
| 04:26.24 | cladhaire | it doesn't. |
| 04:26.30 | cladhaire | i'm nto tryint to tell you how to play your druid. |
| 04:26.46 | cladhaire | i'm just making random baseless opinion statements based upon how i like to play my four main level 60 characters =) |
| 04:26.47 | Corrodias | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:26.49 | Corrodias | you're saying "you" |
| 04:27.02 | End | I'm inclined to agree though, there is an awful lot of "fluff" |
| 04:27.12 | cladhaire | .. and i was healing officer for bother druids and priests |
| 04:27.14 | cladhaire | its fluff. |
| 04:27.16 | cladhaire | its not necessary |
| 04:27.25 | End | if you must heal, really only 21 points is what you really need to have |
| 04:27.32 | Corrodias | so you use nature's swiftness a lot? |
| 04:27.34 | cladhaire | where YOU put those 21 point? i dont know. |
| 04:27.42 | cladhaire | I use it enough to want it |
| 04:27.56 | End | when the "druid" patch came out, I went full feral |
| 04:27.57 | cladhaire | I healed for two years as a priest.. not having an instant anything kills me. |
| 04:28.08 | End | didn't work for me, so I picked up NS, and then I was fine |
| 04:28.14 | cladhaire | Anyone here play horde in the Stormrage battlegroup? |
| 04:28.28 | End | (Well, not full feral I guess, but I didn't have -any- points in resto) |
| 04:28.36 | cladhaire | thats warsong, shattered hand, zul'jin, durotan, azgalor, mannoroth, bloodhoof, magtheridon, etc. |
| 04:28.38 | cladhaire | medivh |
| 04:28.39 | Corrodias | foolish me... i'm no better at WoW than i am at any other game |
| 04:29.09 | cladhaire | i feel like you've taken offense to something i've said |
| 04:29.35 | Corrodias | i have an overinflated opinion of my knowledge of what works |
| 04:30.11 | Corrodias | i was curious what specific 21 points you found to be so useful, and nature's swiftness wasn't what i was expecting |
| 04:30.18 | End | lol |
| 04:30.23 | Corrodias | something that can't be used very often doesn't seem like it can form the basis of a healing strategy, to me |
| 04:30.34 | cladhaire | its not |
| 04:30.39 | cladhaire | but healing strategy has nothign to do with talents. |
| 04:30.46 | End | it's more of a safety net |
| 04:30.48 | cladhaire | and that is a fact =) |
| 04:30.56 | cladhaire | talents are there to augment skill, not form a basis of. |
| 04:31.08 | Corrodias | well, i need more of both |
| 04:31.17 | cladhaire | i've spent my entire time playing this game fighting people who tell me i need to play the game a specific way |
| 04:31.32 | cladhaire | and when they learn that I can heal better than half the resto druids, qwith 37 points in feral.. they shiut up =) |
| 04:31.42 | Corrodias | why are those 21 points so important? |
| 04:31.55 | Corrodias | actually, you never said they are... you said that more than that is fluffy |
| 04:31.56 | End | cladhaire probably does enough healing to make it important |
| 04:32.03 | End | but I'm just guessing :P |
| 04:32.13 | cladhaire | correct |
| 04:32.23 | cladhaire | for me.. i tank and i heal.. healing primary |
| 04:32.51 | cladhaire | that means having enough to take care of myself, and keep everyone else up |
| 04:33.01 | Corrodias | i get frustrated with the druid because i feel ineffective, but i'm learning it's mostly my own fault |
| 04:33.03 | cladhaire | so i have a small base in resto, get NS for ohshits |
| 04:33.12 | cladhaire | a druid in AV is at its best |
| 04:33.17 | cladhaire | that and the basic five man |
| 04:33.21 | End | the druid class isn't without problems, but it's a very workable class |
| 04:33.37 | Corrodias | and when someone says that is when i have to give up and go back to bed |
| 04:33.49 | cladhaire | just have to find what works best for you |
| 04:34.02 | cladhaire | to be fair, if i was in naxx, i wouldn't be this deep feral |
| 04:34.06 | cladhaire | i'd probably only go 11-15 points |
| 04:34.10 | ZealotOnAStick | I went almost full Feral after the patch on my druid . . . |
| 04:34.16 | ZealotOnAStick | I miss NS, but damn Mangle is nice. |
| 04:34.20 | End | that's what I have...11-15 points :P |
| 04:34.24 | End | well now I have like 9 points |
| 04:34.29 | Tain | What works for me is when druids heal me. |
| 04:34.43 | End | well, I don't work for Tain, so that's okay ;p |
| 04:34.49 | cladhaire | but.. druids are built for a 30something/20something spec tehse days |
| 04:34.56 | cladhaire | with the changes to lower resto |
| 04:35.20 | Industrial | ding 31 |
| 04:35.28 | End | if my guild was currently raiding (holidays always screw us), I'd probably just drop tree of life :P |
| 04:35.40 | Tain | You know it would probably be different if in all the time I have played WoW I had played with a single Druid who wasn't an asshole. |
| 04:36.04 | Tain | Just one! |
| 04:36.24 | End | I don't play with many assholes |
| 04:36.25 | cladhaire | ToL is very frustrating. |
| 04:36.42 | Tain | I'm a sweet talking sugar coated candyman. |
| 04:36.51 | Corrodias | not being able to cast Healing Touch sounds like a recipe for frustration |
| 04:36.55 | End | ToL isn't designed for single target healing |
| 04:36.59 | Corrodias | a one-step recipe to piss me off |
| 04:37.08 | End | and, there are a ton of HT improving talents |
| 04:37.40 | End | I think that's an indication ToL is supposed to be situational |
| 04:38.39 | cladhaire | tol is raiding secondary |
| 04:38.42 | cladhaire | thats it really |
| 04:40.51 | Corrodias | "raiding secondary"? |
| 04:41.35 | cladhaire | non-maintank healers |
| 04:41.38 | cladhaire | support healers |
| 04:41.54 | cladhaire | but they are spectacular at that =) |
| 04:42.01 | End | it works better when grouped with other players too |
| 04:42.05 | End | er |
| 04:42.07 | End | other healers |
| 04:42.16 | cladhaire | yep |
| 04:42.23 | Corrodias | does it? |
| 04:42.35 | End | it's +healing bonus affects your entire party |
| 04:42.37 | Corrodias | (i havent played since 2.0 went live) |
| 04:42.49 | cladhaire | *nod* |
| 04:42.50 | cladhaire | its nice. |
| 04:43.06 | cladhaire | the ultimate healing group (imo) is two priest, a tol druid, a regular druid and a shadow priest |
| 04:43.07 | Corrodias | i wasn't aware of a +healing bonus... checking up on that |
| 04:43.10 | cladhaire | since i hate shaman and paladins =) |
| 04:43.19 | cladhaire | Corrodias: its a + healing bonsu based upon the druid's spirit |
| 04:43.19 | End | I like having a shaman for mana tide :P |
| 04:43.28 | cladhaire | End: Yeah that makes more sense there. |
| 04:43.33 | End | but that's only a problem for horde, since blessing of wisdom isn't limited to party |
| 04:44.00 | Corrodias | i wasn't aware that the +healing benefitted anyone but yourself |
| 04:44.10 | Corrodias | and what's this about an ability that affects entire raids? |
| 04:44.28 | End | no ability I can think of affects entire raids |
| 04:44.30 | cladhaire | i haven't heard anythign about that. |
| 04:44.30 | Corrodias | or did you mean something else when you said that it isn't limited to a party? |
| 04:44.31 | Arrowmaster | but tree of life got hit with the nerf bat hard in beta |
| 04:44.43 | End | except target abilities that actually affect a target |
| 04:44.52 | cladhaire | BoW isn't limited to party |
| 04:44.57 | cladhaire | so paladins dont' need to be in a group to give that bonus |
| 04:45.16 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Igor (n=togawoga@71.231.2.84) |
| 04:45.22 | End | Arrowmaster: I wasn't aware of that |
| 04:45.23 | Corrodias | is that an effect on all nearby allies, then? |
| 04:45.24 | Cairenn | hey hey Igor |
| 04:45.29 | Igor | heya |
| 04:45.32 | Arrowmaster | End: it did, HARD |
| 04:45.38 | Igor | mod author guilds eh? |
| 04:45.41 | Igor | heh thats cool |
| 04:45.45 | End | Corrodias: BoW is a targetted ability |
| 04:45.52 | Tain | Should extend it so that Paladins don't have to be in the raid to give the bonus |
| 04:45.56 | Igor | too bad i don't really play anymore lol |
| 04:45.57 | Tain | Or have to be online. |
| 04:45.58 | Arrowmaster | it increases healing done to group members instead of healing done by group members |
| 04:46.04 | Tain | Or have to be on the server. |
| 04:46.11 | End | Tain: yeah |
| 04:46.22 | End | :P |
| 04:46.43 | End | Arrowmaster: weird |
| 04:46.49 | End | so you'd put it...with your tank? |
| 04:46.53 | Corrodias | BY the way |
| 04:47.00 | Arrowmaster | yeah.... |
| 04:47.12 | End | so your druid in your tank group is healing raid, and your druid outside of tank group is healing tank? |
| 04:47.37 | Arrowmaster | druid in tank group is healing everybody including tank |
| 04:47.43 | Corrodias | i think my gear might have been seriously trailing behind that of my fellow healers. i could blow through my mana with high-efficiency spells and no overhealing pretty damn fast... |
| 04:47.52 | End | well yeah, I include tank in raid :P |
| 04:48.04 | End | a tol druid's rejuvs heal for a lot |
| 04:48.08 | Arrowmaster | but yeah, imho i dont think its that worth it |
| 04:48.08 | Igor | so cairenn you still play? |
| 04:48.16 | Cairenn | sometimes ;) |
| 04:48.18 | End | that's a pretty big nerf though |
| 04:48.33 | Cairenn | spend more of my time hanging out here though |
| 04:48.39 | Igor | yeah i don't actually do anything really cept write my own little custom mods lol |
| 04:48.42 | Tain | They nerfed Cairenn? |
| 04:48.51 | End | no, they nerfed ToL |
| 04:49.00 | End | although cairenn needs a nerf |
| 04:49.03 | End | nerf cairenn! |
| 04:49.07 | Cairenn | do not! |
| 04:49.09 | Imrcly | gold nerf |
| 04:49.12 | Arrowmaster | although i wonder, 4 ToL druids with a warrior and people casting rank 1 heals? |
| 04:49.13 | cladhaire | Cairenn got buffed. |
| 04:49.15 | cladhaire | by Cladhaire |
| 04:49.19 | Imrcly | now things cost platinum |
| 04:49.19 | cladhaire | I have screenshots. |
| 04:49.25 | Cairenn | cladhaire ! |
| 04:49.33 | End | Arrowmaster: that's weird in a 25 man raid |
| 04:49.40 | Arrowmaster | although that bonus is probably also effected by the downranking nerf |
| 04:49.47 | End | probably |
| 04:49.52 | Igor | so i hear all new dungeons will be <= 25 ppl - that true? |
| 04:50.03 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 04:50.12 | Arrowmaster | i wonder what the HoTs would be ticking for then if every priest and druid kept them up on that one target |
| 04:50.12 | Igor | pretty big change |
| 04:50.30 | End | quite a lot I'd think |
| 04:50.53 | End | of course, that'd mean every druid would have to ToL |
| 04:51.00 | Corrodias | i'm just too tired right now to comprehend how to heal properly |
| 04:51.08 | End | you'd only take so many druids in a 25 man raid I'd think |
| 04:51.10 | Corrodias | i should just get on with cleaning out and setting up the computer |
| 04:51.22 | Arrowmaster | 2-3 |
| 04:51.38 | End | yeah |
| 04:52.57 | Corrodias | i have to be one of those guys who doesn't do so well, so i make everyone else look good |
| 04:53.20 | Igor | so anyone in this Hellfire guild? |
| 04:53.32 | Igor | A/H? |
| 04:53.36 | Cairenn | one or two |
| 04:53.41 | Cairenn | both sides |
| 04:53.44 | End | hmm, I got a green in AV |
| 04:54.30 | Cairenn | Igor: which side? |
| 04:54.45 | Igor | which side the the Hellfire mod author guild on? |
| 04:54.51 | Cairenn | both |
| 04:54.58 | Igor | ahh wierd |
| 04:54.58 | Tain | Some people go both ways. |
| 04:55.01 | End | hellfire is pve right? |
| 04:55.04 | Cairenn | yes |
| 04:55.04 | Igor | know the names? |
| 04:55.19 | End | so probably some people have both on both then :P |
| 04:55.19 | Cairenn | castspell (a) / targetunit(h) |
| 04:55.23 | Imrcly | theres a mod author guild? |
| 04:55.27 | Cairenn | you know, like in the channel topic |
| 04:55.31 | Igor | sounds like an excuse to turn on machine #6 :) |
| 04:55.37 | End | oh noes, not the channel topic |
| 04:55.44 | Cairenn | there's guilds on both live and beta |
| 04:56.02 | End | draka is the realm on live |
| 04:56.02 | Cairenn | live is on Draka |
| 04:56.03 | Arrowmaster | theres guilds on live? |
| 04:56.08 | Cairenn | yup |
| 04:56.23 | Cairenn | so, which side? |
| 04:56.32 | Imrcly | it didn't make since until now |
| 04:56.53 | Tain | I actually logged on Draka yesterday. |
| 04:57.05 | End | Tain, you are a crazy man |
| 04:57.09 | End | nobody logs onto Draka! |
| 04:57.12 | Cairenn | heh |
| 04:57.17 | Tain | I'm a loner, a rebel. |
| 04:57.30 | Tain | You don't want to get mixed up with a guy like me, Dotty. |
| 04:57.41 | Cairenn | no, the live ones don't get used a lot, mostly folks ask in here to set something up for testing purposes |
| 04:57.57 | Cairenn | but they are there for when folks do need someone to help test |
| 04:58.19 | Cairenn | Igor: which side? |
| 04:58.20 | End | sometimes I go on there if I feel like it |
| 04:58.43 | KiphereCE | yar, I made sylvanas happy ;) |
| 04:59.01 | Tain | It makes me feel kinda funny. Like when you sit on the washing machine. |
| 05:00.18 | Imrcly | why would you sit on a washing machine rather than in it |
| 05:01.29 | KiphereCE | bedtimez for kippy. |
| 05:01.36 | KiphereCE | NIGHT! |
| 05:01.36 | Cairenn | night KiphereCE |
| 05:02.01 | Igor | i'm demotivated now |
| 05:02.16 | Igor | back to personal projects... |
| 05:02.34 | Cairenn | later Igor |
| 05:02.41 | Igor | well, i'll be here hehe |
| 05:02.45 | Cairenn | :) |
| 05:02.50 | Igor | i just mean my food shopping addons |
| 05:03.16 | Cairenn | ah |
| 05:06.21 | Igor | yeah i create a lot of code no one ever sees but me |
| 05:06.27 | Igor | i'm very selfish like that |
| 05:06.52 | End | all my code people could see if they really tried |
| 05:06.52 | Igor | mostly i just fear creating a coherant non-text interface hehe |
| 05:07.07 | End | but I don't advertise all that much |
| 05:07.48 | [Cu]WerikXMAS | Damn It's christmas today |
| 05:07.54 | End | today? |
| 05:08.07 | xgravix | christmas eve here |
| 05:08.13 | Imrcly | christmas eve |
| 05:08.14 | [Cu]WerikXMAS | yeah, christmas eve |
| 05:08.22 | Imrcly | crap i need to go shopping |
| 05:08.27 | [Cu]WerikXMAS | Bahh, I dont like it:( |
| 05:08.28 | End | so do I |
| 05:08.30 | Igor | not even xmas eve here yet |
| 05:08.35 | Igor | Bahh...humbug |
| 05:08.36 | End | I went shopping earlier, but I only found one item |
| 05:08.40 | [Cu]WerikXMAS | and i am hot |
| 05:08.53 | [Cu]WerikXMAS | no snow at all |
| 05:09.09 | Igor | go to Denver, CO..they got 15 feet |
| 05:09.19 | End | more than 15 feet in some places |
| 05:09.33 | End | I should know, it was "fun" |
| 05:09.34 | [Cu]WerikXMAS | I'm sitting in my chair in front of the open window and I'm actually sweating |
| 05:09.45 | Igor | my housemate was supposed to go there for christmas but his flight was cancelled and he never found another |
| 05:10.12 | End | yeah, DIA got shutdown until...yesterday? |
| 05:10.44 | Imrcly | im about to open my front door to cool off |
| 05:10.55 | Igor | yeah those bastards...can't they keep 50 feet of snow off the runway? |
| 05:11.02 | End | hehe |
| 05:11.30 | End | I think it was keeping it off the entire runway at once |
| 05:11.35 | End | it was coming down fairly quickly |
| 05:14.18 | Igor | apparently they have 8 runways |
| 05:14.50 | Igor | thats a lot of snowballs |
| 05:14.54 | End | lol |
| 05:16.14 | Imrcly | pfft snowmen atleast |
| 05:17.41 | Igor | i think they should make it so it snows in wow and you can pick up snoballs off of the ground |
| 05:18.00 | Imrcly | like you can in av |
| 05:18.02 | Igor | like have little harvestable piles like herbalism |
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| 05:18.10 | Igor | you can in av? |
| 05:18.30 | Imrcly | special snowballs that can knock the opposing faction around |
| 05:18.38 | Imrcly | they disappear over time though |
| 05:19.16 | End | you can in alterac too |
| 05:19.26 | End | where the greench is |
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| 05:20.19 | Igor | hehe cool |
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| 05:24.08 | ckknight | hey all |
| 05:24.13 | End | `hihih |
| 05:27.36 | Cairenn | hey ckknight |
| 05:28.33 | cladhaire | i really enjoy AV |
| 05:28.59 | Shadowed | thats crazy talk |
| 05:29.03 | Shadowed | are you okay clad! |
| 05:29.10 | cladhaire | heh |
| 05:29.14 | ckknight | clad's a crazy guy |
| 05:29.17 | ckknight | probably just a bug going around |
| 05:29.24 | End | no, it's a feature |
| 05:29.25 | ckknight | don't worry, clad, we'll get through this |
| 05:29.26 | ckknight | together. |
| 05:29.31 | Corrodias | i liked AV... |
| 05:29.39 | Shadowed | "liked"! |
| 05:29.40 | Corrodias | but horde won 1/3 of the time where i come from |
| 05:29.43 | cladhaire | *shake* |
| 05:29.54 | cladhaire | Corrodias: Thats how it should be, because we're smarter than you are =) |
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| 05:29.58 | cladhaire | j/k of course |
| 05:30.00 | cladhaire | but not really =) |
| 05:30.12 | Shadowed | AV is nice for afking in while working on raid mods |
| 05:30.19 | cladhaire | i do that |
| 05:30.22 | cladhaire | but i like playing more =) |
| 05:30.31 | cladhaire | i'm implementing an aggro watch feature in praid right now |
| 05:30.31 | Shadowed | I stopped caring about playing, I just make fun of the idiots :p |
| 05:30.35 | cladhaire | cause its something i want to see =) |
| 05:30.43 | cladhaire | just not sure how i want to display it. |
| 05:30.45 | cladhaire | maybe turn their names red |
| 05:30.53 | cladhaire | btu that's the only class identifying mark i have righ tnow. |
| 05:30.54 | Shadowed | you don't color names red when they die? |
| 05:30.58 | Corrodias | the allies weren't smarter |
| 05:30.58 | cladhaire | no |
| 05:31.23 | Corrodias | although i agree the horde didn't perform very well, the allies' advantages benefitted them enough to beat us |
| 05:31.37 | Shadowed | I get to make one set of XML display two completely different methods of showing raid members |
| 05:31.46 | Shadowed | and i'm regretting saying i'd do that! |
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| 05:33.19 | Igor | so are there mods that track how often you've seen opponents on the battlefield and how well you do vs. them? |
| 05:33.36 | Shadowed | mmmm probably |
| 05:33.39 | End | I'd be surprised if there wasn't |
| 05:33.41 | Shadowed | yeah |
| 05:33.44 | Igor | like a little leaderboard based on what you've seen |
| 05:33.48 | Igor | that would be fun |
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| 05:37.39 | End | hmm, even the druid NPCs in AV spam moonfire! |
| 05:38.03 | Imrcly | thats what druids do isn't it? |
| 05:38.09 | End | apparently |
| 05:38.16 | End | must be why I'm such a bad druid |
| 05:38.36 | Imrcly | moonfire and renew |
| 05:38.39 | End | I just need to spam more moonfire |
| 05:39.43 | End | in av, I always see mages wearing dreadmist |
| 05:40.08 | hugo | hi |
| 05:40.13 | End | hi hihih |
| 05:40.18 | Imrcly | yeah |
| 05:40.18 | hugo | anyone use NECB pls ? ;] |
| 05:40.24 | Imrcly | more stamina |
| 05:40.43 | End | I don't even know what NECB is |
| 05:41.00 | hugo | its popular addon |
| 05:41.11 | hugo | er |
| 05:41.26 | hugo | nature enemy cast bar its called |
| 05:41.29 | End | oh |
| 05:41.34 | End | well that I know of :P |
| 05:41.40 | hugo | ;D |
| 05:41.47 | hugo | well look here http://media1.curse-gaming.com/images/thumbnails/16614/NECBNat630Sep_Frames.jpg |
| 05:41.48 | End | (but I don't use it, sorry) |
| 05:42.11 | hugo | on the pics are columns for diff actions, but for me i got only one column cant find out how to make it like that ;x |
| 05:43.41 | ckknight | what's the RSS feed for CIA? |
| 05:44.08 | ckknight | wrong channel |
| 05:45.11 | hugo | ;p |
| 05:45.13 | hugo | cia? |
| 05:45.14 | hugo | lol |
| 05:45.24 | End | you could call it a source watcher |
| 05:45.41 | End | actuakky' |
| 05:45.47 | End | commit watcher is probably better |
| 05:46.08 | End | he probably meant to ask that in #wowace |
| 05:46.18 | hugo | yep |
| 05:49.13 | Igor | man i hate it when i forget to convert strings to numbers |
| 05:49.49 | Igor | kept being like...why does it think 61 is more than 552? |
| 05:50.39 | End | lol |
| 05:53.36 | Industrial | You are now Friendly with Darkspear Trolls |
| 05:54.06 | cladhaire | zomg grats |
| 05:54.22 | End | zomg friendly |
| 05:54.27 | Industrial | :P |
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| 06:00.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | *goblin yell* |
| 06:02.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | nicely done i guess @_@ |
| 06:04.21 | Igor | ok...automatic food eater: check, thing to make it so i don't auto-sell my best food: check - thing to buy food: time to make it happen |
| 06:05.13 | Igor | i guess if i get this working i could make it shop on the AH for food hehe |
| 06:09.22 | Imrcly | just need one to autonag mages |
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| 06:11.26 | Igor | heh be funny to make one that remembered which mages have given you food/water in the past and whether or not they could make cinnamon rolls or something |
| 06:11.40 | Igor | you could call it "Mage Friends" |
| 06:11.41 | End | all can make all now |
| 06:11.49 | Igor | ahh |
| 06:11.50 | End | it's trainable at level 60 |
| 06:11.52 | End | both water and food |
| 06:12.32 | Igor | it could suggest tips for your best suppliers hehe |
| 06:13.06 | Igor | or auto-tip, and send them little whispers saying how much their tip will grow to per stack once they give you X more water |
| 06:14.11 | Igor | i wonder...do you need keyboard input to confirm a trade? |
| 06:14.23 | Igor | be fun to set up a little auto water/food vendor |
| 06:14.52 | Igor | like it puts water or food in the trade window depending on how much money they put in |
| 06:15.09 | Imrcly | yes most trade mods use and accept button |
| 06:15.26 | Imrcly | look at trade dispencer |
| 06:15.30 | Imrcly | sp? |
| 06:15.55 | Imrcly | http://ui.worldofwar.net/ui.php?id=2203 |
| 06:16.49 | Igor | heh thats pretty cool |
| 06:17.31 | Imrcly | you can even setup replies and have filters and everything |
| 06:17.34 | Imrcly | i love it |
| 06:17.41 | Igor | wow thats pretty fun |
| 06:17.53 | Igor | i wonder how much cash you could make parking that thing in IF or something |
| 06:18.12 | Imrcly | i dunno too lazy |
| 06:18.48 | Imrcly | i would have to conjure all that food and water |
| 06:18.58 | Igor | i guess you could do the same thing with enchantments |
| 06:19.20 | Imrcly | anything really you can have it trade anything |
| 06:19.48 | Igor | well, enchants would be nice because you can hold a lot of ingredients at a time |
| 06:20.44 | Imrcly | i love the new use item in macros |
| 06:21.12 | Imrcly | ./use Conjured Crystal Water |
| 06:21.13 | Imrcly | ./use Conjured Cinnamon Roll |
| 06:21.38 | Igor | i'm a little disappointed UseContainerItem is protected |
| 06:21.39 | Imrcly | in one macro don't even have to keep track of how much i have or where its at |
| 06:22.59 | Arrowmaster | i thought accepting trades was now protected |
| 06:23.17 | Imrcly | it is the mod pops up a huge accept button now |
| 06:23.47 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 06:24.03 | Imrcly | not as good as it used to be but still very useful |
| 06:24.35 | Igor | i wonder if it could just bind every key to accept until you pressed something |
| 06:24.44 | Igor | and have the button fill the whole screen |
| 06:24.58 | Igor | like "Click or Press Any Key" |
| 06:25.17 | Igor | would be funny |
| 06:25.32 | Imrcly | like windows? |
| 06:26.10 | Igor | well, it would just redo every keybind you have when it wants you to accept the trade |
| 06:26.23 | Igor | then, once you press anything, it puts them all back like before |
| 06:26.38 | Arrowmaster | which would be easy with the new binding override stuff |
| 06:26.53 | Igor | there you go :) |
| 06:27.20 | Igor | i wonder if it suppresses showing the trade window |
| 06:27.27 | cladhaire | i have 87 AV tokens |
| 06:27.27 | cladhaire | blegh |
| 06:27.41 | cladhaire | so.. how does red/green colorblindness work? |
| 06:28.14 | cladhaire | i.e. is red text on a green background "bad"? =) |
| 06:28.45 | End | probably bad |
| 06:28.58 | cladhaire | I'm trying to decide how to show aggro in perfectraid |
| 06:29.03 | Igor | red/green they can't tell the difference |
| 06:29.10 | cladhaire | would you prefer a status flag, or .. hrm. |
| 06:29.11 | Igor | looks like the same color |
| 06:29.22 | Imrcly | Igor trade dispenser doesn't hide hte trade window |
| 06:32.19 | Corrodias | showing who all has aggro? hmm |
| 06:32.37 | Corrodias | maybe change the names to bold, or flash them |
| 06:33.05 | Corrodias | like, flashing them... uh... another color that isn't used >_> |
| 06:33.32 | Shadowed | Recolor the background of the player a different color? |
| 06:35.02 | Corrodias | hmm |
| 06:35.14 | Imrcly | flashing star |
| 06:35.16 | Corrodias | first step is to get the backdrop working again so i can actually see the text on things |
| 06:35.48 | Corrodias | then a star, perhaps flashing, between the name and the bar wouldn't be bad |
| 06:35.51 | cladhaire | see we already flash the status bar |
| 06:35.55 | cladhaire | that's how we're goign to show debuffs |
| 06:36.00 | cladhaire | i.e. Magic, Poison, etc. |
| 06:36.10 | Corrodias | well, you put a colored highlight on it |
| 06:36.13 | Corrodias | and i LOVE that, mind you |
| 06:36.13 | Shadowed | stop using so damn many alerts? :p |
| 06:36.17 | cladhaire | i am |
| 06:36.20 | cladhaire | Shadowed: I can't =) |
| 06:36.32 | Shadowed | hehe |
| 06:37.33 | Corrodias | got that backdrop working, yet? :3 |
| 06:37.38 | cladhaire | huh? |
| 06:37.39 | cladhaire | me? |
| 06:37.42 | Corrodias | yeah |
| 06:38.14 | Corrodias | my table needs something about a milimeter wide underneath the side legs... the center legs are slightly too high |
| 06:38.23 | Corrodias | at least in the front |
| 06:39.18 | Corrodias | it's cracking a little, you see |
| 06:41.49 | Corrodias | backdrop, a black background behind the praid frame so i have an easier time trying to read people's names |
| 06:42.46 | cladhaire | aye |
| 06:42.50 | cladhaire | well you can do that easily on your own |
| 06:42.53 | cladhaire | but i'll make it an option |
| 06:42.56 | cladhaire | since you and the whole world want it =) |
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| 06:44.48 | Corrodias | indeed. you say we can do it easily, but unless we have some experience with authoring, we can't -- that is, i tried and failed |
| 06:45.32 | Corrodias | i tried adapting the old backdrop code but too many things had changed since then |
| 06:48.09 | Corrodias | and "thanks". i would have said that earlier, but i disconnected my keyboard a minute ago |
| 06:49.07 | cladhaire | heheh |
| 06:49.38 | cladhaire | local texture = frame:CreateTexture(nil, "BACKGROUND") texture:SetTexture(0,0,0,1) texture:SetAllPoints() |
| 06:49.39 | cladhaire | =) |
| 06:50.16 | Corrodias | i've never even heard of CreateTexture |
| 06:50.17 | Igor | i found some functions not up on wowwiki the other day |
| 06:50.26 | Igor | i thought they dd some kind of search or something... |
| 06:50.37 | Corrodias | in fact, i've never heard of using a "texture" type object |
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| 07:06.07 | Shadowed | bleh, hate it when you can't implement a feature without causing compatability issues with other mods |
| 07:10.43 | Iriel | Igor: I used to, but i've been busy, I guess nobody else has been quite so thorough yet 8-) |
| 07:11.24 | VoidRaider|afk | Morning everyone :) |
| 07:11.30 | Cairenn | hi VoidRaider|afk |
| 07:11.38 | VoidRaider | :D |
| 07:12.57 | VoidRaider | Can I sort a table using table.sort by its items ? or I need to create my own, never used this funcs so I have no clue :D |
| 07:13.11 | Iriel | If the table is an array, you can |
| 07:13.20 | Iriel | X = { "cat", "orange", "apple" } |
| 07:13.22 | Iriel | table.sort(X) |
| 07:13.26 | VoidRaider | ahh |
| 07:13.34 | Iriel | X[1] == "apple" X[2] == "cat" X[3] == "orange" |
| 07:14.07 | VoidRaider | the problem is that my table isn't an array :| |
| 07:14.26 | VoidRaider | is there a way to use sort in that case ? |
| 07:14.30 | Iriel | make a temporary array with your entries |
| 07:15.07 | VoidRaider | ok, I guess I'll do that, thank you :) |
| 07:15.15 | Iriel | it all depends what your data looks like, and how complex your sort function needs to be |
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| 07:17.09 | VoidRaider | not really complex, it holds a name and an index but yet it's not initialized like an array |
| 07:18.53 | Iriel | So it's like: |
| 07:19.11 | Iriel | X = { namea = 27; nameb = 30; voidraider = 500; iriel = 2 } |
| 07:19.13 | Iriel | ? |
| 07:20.00 | VoidRaider | hmm nop, something like that.. |
| 07:20.28 | VoidRaider | spellmaster.options.registerui.general = { name = spellmaster_options_sections_general, index = 1, }; |
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| 07:22.39 | VoidRaider | now each section is another entry in SpellMaster.Options.RegisterUI |
| 07:24.29 | VoidRaider | so I guess I'll have to iterate SpellMaster.Options.RegisterUI and tinsert its values and only then sort them out ? |
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| 07:48.26 | Shadowed | How do you return an array as individal returns (if that makes sense?) so { "foo", "bar" } becomes return "foo", "bar" |
| 07:48.42 | cladhaire | unpack(tbl) |
| 07:48.43 | VoidRaider | unpack ? |
| 07:48.47 | Shadowed | aha! thanks |
| 08:16.07 | Iriel | VoidRaider: Sorry for going idle on you, got pulled off to something |
| 08:16.56 | Iriel | VoidRaider: you can stick all of those sub-tables into an array and do table.sort(tempTable, function(a,b) return (a.index < b.index) or ((a.index == b.index) and (a.name < b.name)) end) |
| 08:17.02 | Iriel | to sort them by index and then name |
| 08:19.48 | cladhaire | Does your honor gain correspond to you seeing the kill happen in your combat log? =) |
| 08:20.07 | cladhaire | that would be silly |
| 08:20.22 | VoidRaider | ah thanks :P |
| 08:22.36 | VoidRaider | Ahh, cause right now I'm building on my own sorting func thought it's not doable haha :P |
| 08:22.46 | VoidRaider | building my own* |
| 08:24.12 | Iriel | It's usually much easier to build your own comparison function and let table.sort do the heavy lifting |
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| 08:25.39 | VoidRaider | yeah, however I thought of building one from scratch, as I said I never used table.sort so I have no real clue how it works :P |
| 08:26.56 | cladhaire | its a quicksort that instead of doing a < b, it calls your comparison function =) |
| 08:27.59 | VoidRaider | Can I past a code to show you what I mean ? what's the site name for pasting it in ? :) |
| 08:28.30 | cladhaire | wowi.pastey.net is fine. |
| 08:28.31 | VoidRaider | The problem it's not an array |
| 08:28.46 | cladhaire | it doesn't need to be, you just need to get creative =) |
| 08:29.01 | cladhaire | the first one is confusing, then after that they make tons of sense =) |
| 08:29.05 | VoidRaider | hmm, I'm confused haha :P |
| 08:29.16 | VoidRaider | 1 sec lemme past it :D |
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| 08:33.06 | VoidRaider | http://wowi.pastey.net/3948?lang=lua |
| 08:33.21 | VoidRaider | Now I need to sort it by its index :) |
| 08:33.35 | Carim | hello, I've just taken interest in mod developing, but I can't find any updated tutorials and articles about this in the internet, can someone help me? where do I start? |
| 08:33.59 | VoidRaider | http://www.wowwiki.com/Main_Page |
| 08:35.22 | cladhaire | VoidRaider: http://wowi.pastey.net/3949 |
| 08:35.29 | VoidRaider | clad, iriel if you can have a look and give me a better solution then my own using sort, it would be much appreciated |
| 08:35.31 | VoidRaider | ah thx |
| 08:36.16 | VoidRaider | awesome! :P |
| 08:36.50 | cladhaire | untested |
| 08:36.52 | cladhaire | but that shoudl work =) |
| 08:37.23 | VoidRaider | yeah I'll try to mess with it too, as for now I use my recursion lol :| |
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| 08:39.07 | Imrcly | omg they just summoned ivus in this av |
| 08:40.13 | cladhaire | that never happened before? |
| 08:40.16 | cladhaire | we summon him all the time =) |
| 08:40.41 | Imrcly | no first time in a long time everyone enormally zergs |
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| 08:43.11 | Carim | is there no tutori |
| 08:43.21 | Carim | is there no tutorial that shows how things are done from 0? |
| 08:43.25 | VoidRaider | There is a HOWTO section :) |
| 08:43.33 | Carim | i found some tutorials but they date back to 2004 so they dont work |
| 08:43.55 | cladhaire | The Blizzard tutorial is prewtty good |
| 08:44.03 | Carim | but I'm clueless about stuff. I have programming experience but I want to grasp it, not to copy it all from somewhere |
| 08:44.09 | VoidRaider | http://www.wowwiki.com/AddOns |
| 08:44.42 | VoidRaider | http://www.wowwiki.com/Category:HOWTOs |
| 08:45.06 | VoidRaider | http://www.wowwiki.com/Interface_Customization |
| 08:45.07 | Corrodias | ivus tends to get bugged for us and refuse to summon |
| 08:45.11 | VoidRaider | thse should help :) |
| 08:45.19 | VoidRaider | these* |
| 08:45.46 | Carim | # |
| 08:45.46 | Carim | # HOWTO: Masturbate with sandpaper |
| 08:45.47 | Corrodias | or at least so claim the other people trying to summon him. i'm not so sure we all held it for 10 seconds, but they were pretty certain. |
| 08:45.48 | Carim | lol |
| 08:46.37 | Corrodias | i'd remove it, since it's all "There is currently no text in this page", but i have no account! |
| 08:46.54 | Corrodias | that's just about the second time i've ever wanted to edit wowwiki, so i don't make an account |
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| 08:47.16 | VoidRaider | I can send you an addon I built that is pretty small one to use for an example, if you're interesting :) |
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| 08:50.09 | Carim | VoidRaider was that for me? I would be interested |
| 08:50.35 | VoidRaider | ah sure :D |
| 08:51.07 | VoidRaider | http://ui.worldofwar.net/ui.php?id=3495 |
| 08:51.20 | VoidRaider | download it and mess it as much as you like :) |
| 08:51.27 | VoidRaider | it's really small :D |
| 08:52.00 | Carim | thanks I'll check it out |
| 08:52.13 | VoidRaider | np :) |
| 08:53.56 | VoidRaider | With that I recommand you to read a bit on WoWWiki |
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| 09:00.04 | VoidRaider | Great Clad it's working, thank you both Clad and Iriel for the help :D |
| 09:00.14 | cladhaire | np =) |
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| 09:27.02 | Carim | I have two FontStrings, i want to place one relative to another, dont I say anchor point="first one"? i cant get it to work that way |
| 09:28.02 | cladhaire | Frame1:SetPoint("LEFT", Frame2, "RIGHT, 0, 0) will anchor Frame1 to the left of Frame2 |
| 09:28.22 | Carim | how can I do it in the XML file? or can I? |
| 09:28.27 | cladhaire | yeah |
| 09:28.46 | cladhaire | <Anchor point="LEFT" relativePoint="RIGHT" relativeTo="Frame2"> |
| 09:28.46 | zenzelezz | point, relativePoint and relativeTo or something like that... |
| 09:29.35 | Carim | ok that worked. thanks |
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| 09:37.07 | Carim | so I want the text to change as my health changes, the best is to use OnUpdate right? |
| 09:37.13 | cladhaire | nope, |
| 09:37.17 | cladhaire | register for UNIT_HEALTH |
| 09:37.22 | cladhaire | and change it there |
| 09:37.52 | Carim | ok thanks I'll try that |
| 09:42.21 | Industrial | Anyone know where ShardAce went? how its called now? |
| 09:42.44 | cladhaire | its call idBlowsMonkeys |
| 09:42.57 | Industrial | NO U |
| 09:43.01 | Industrial | :3 |
| 09:43.35 | Industrial | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info4675-ShardAce.html |
| 09:43.39 | Industrial | hurray |
| 09:47.05 | clad|sleep | night all |
| 09:47.19 | Industrial | nn clad|sleep |
| 09:47.26 | Industrial | <Fishing Promoter> :O! |
| 09:48.33 | Carim | when I'm changing the text in a fontstring object, do I need to call the main frame, or just calling the fontstring is enough. |
| 09:49.09 | clad|sleep | FontString:SetText() is all ya need =) |
| 09:49.23 | Carim | thanks clad |
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| 10:02.39 | Carim | I've registered the onload event but when I do myText:SetText('hello world'); in my OnLoad function nothing changes :( |
| 10:13.55 | VoidRaider | Mybe it's hidden ? .. hmm does your parent frame visible ? |
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| 10:16.06 | VoidRaider | try to put Parent_Frame:Show() before your call to SetText, that in case you get no errors |
| 10:18.05 | VoidRaider | Also, check if your FontString object has an Anchor, mybe size even ... |
| 10:18.18 | Carim | there actually is another text, defined in the XML, and I can see it at first, but it does not change |
| 10:18.30 | VoidRaider | ahh |
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| 10:24.14 | Neuro | You know how you can tell you're bored? You start listening to old 80s metal =) |
| 10:24.30 | VoidRaider | haha :D |
| 10:25.00 | Neuro | Iron Maiden's Number of the Beast ftw |
| 10:25.18 | VoidRaider | That's heavy :P |
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| 10:29.03 | VoidRaider | Hmm weird that when you're trying to Hide and Show a frame in combat it's not doing anything due to it |
| 10:29.27 | VoidRaider | 's being protected but you can have the same effect by using alpha :P |
| 10:31.27 | foxlit | You can still click on things with alpha=0, though |
| 10:31.52 | VoidRaider | hmm yeah I guess you can haha |
| 10:33.01 | VoidRaider | Well it's great for informative purpose, though you can use the secure frames :P |
| 10:41.23 | Neuro | lol... I realize it's probably old, but this is just too funny: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-5grqhj1b8 |
| 10:41.43 | xgravix | dick in a box ftw |
| 10:41.57 | xgravix | i watch that video like 5 times today |
| 10:43.59 | Neuro | wow, there's an unedited version |
| 10:44.01 | Neuro | http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/uncensored.shtml |
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| 10:50.42 | Kavinorum | is there a good beginner's guide for writing an lua mod? |
| 10:52.56 | Neuro | check the stickies in the ui forum |
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| 10:54.01 | Kavinorum | forum link? |
| 10:55.34 | Neuro | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/board.html?forumId=11114&sid=1 |
| 10:55.56 | Neuro | I'd start with Mod Author resources |
| 10:56.15 | Neuro | 4th post has tutorials |
| 10:56.23 | Neuro | btw, personal recommendation is UltraEdit |
| 10:56.38 | Kavinorum | lol, k thnx |
| 10:57.19 | MentalPower|PC | I prefer Notepad++ |
| 10:57.36 | Kavinorum | thats what I'm using hehe |
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| 10:58.28 | Carim | how can I round percentages like 93.52246147147 up to 94 in my mod? |
| 10:59.58 | Carim | I mean what I want to do is add .5 to that value and truncate it to only 2 numbers but how can I do that |
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| 11:02.54 | MentalPower|PC | rounded = tonumber(("%.2f"):format(math.floor(number+0.5))) |
| 11:03.07 | MentalPower|PC | kinda involved and klunky, but it does the job |
| 11:05.16 | Kavinorum | that sounds bad |
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| 11:05.41 | Kavinorum | adding to the number to round it? |
| 11:06.27 | Kavinorum | nvm, I dont know what I'm talking about |
| 11:08.21 | MentalPower|PC | there is no math.round function in lua, so you have to go the long way around |
| 11:09.55 | Kavinorum | seems like it would cause bugs |
| 11:10.14 | MentalPower|PC | how? |
| 11:11.05 | Kavinorum | well your adding value to variables |
| 11:11.19 | zenzelezz | you think they're doing it for no reason? |
| 11:11.24 | Kavinorum | no |
| 11:11.56 | Kavinorum | again, I dont really know what I'm talking about, I'm speaking theoretically |
| 11:12.34 | Kavinorum | but if you add to your variables and then accidentally use the ones you added to later, you will end up with an incorrect number |
| 11:12.58 | zenzelezz | it's obviously not scientifically accurate, but it does the job |
| 11:12.59 | MentalPower|PC | I'm adding to a number, yes. but since numbers are passed by value in Lua it only adds to the local reference of that number. the original var retains its original value |
| 11:13.41 | Kavinorum | k |
| 11:14.05 | Kavinorum | but I'm assuming it creates a new var? |
| 11:14.15 | MentalPower|PC | also note that I'm assigning it to a new variable |
| 11:14.45 | Kavinorum | in which case if you were to accidentally use that new var later for something then it would be inaccurate |
| 11:15.04 | Kavinorum | so I guess what I'm saying is keep track of your variables |
| 11:15.38 | Carim | thanks MentalPower, that worked for me |
| 11:16.04 | MentalPower|PC | right cause in it current incarnation is a global, but that snippet of code is meant to be in a separate helper function like: |
| 11:16.06 | MentalPower|PC | function round(number) return tonumber(("%.2f"):format(math.floor(number+0.5))) end |
| 11:16.59 | Kavinorum | k I see what you mean, just call the function when you want to display a rounded num |
| 11:17.12 | MentalPower|PC | right |
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| 11:23.03 | Kavinorum | quite an interesting how to guide on wowwiki |
| 11:23.06 | Kavinorum | http://www.wowwiki.com/HOWTO:_Masturbate_with_sandpaper |
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| 11:23.55 | Kavinorum | i didnt make it, it showed up in http://www.wowwiki.com/Category:HOWTOs |
| 11:25.21 | Neuro | but it's empty |
| 11:25.29 | Neuro | now I'll never find out how to do it! |
| 11:25.38 | Kavinorum | lol |
| 11:25.53 | Kavinorum | wikipedia probably has it |
| 11:25.59 | Kavinorum | if you must know |
| 11:29.24 | Kavinorum | erg, I give up for tonight |
| 11:30.30 | Kavinorum | I'm gunna go play WoW, goodnight |
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| 11:33.20 | Carim | how do I write a colored variable. |c000000ff variable |r is there a way to connect strings and variables? |
| 11:34.24 | MentalPower|PC | "|c000000ff"..variable.."|r" |
| 11:34.42 | MentalPower|PC | .. is the concatenation operator |
| 11:34.56 | Carim | oh ok thanks |
| 11:35.12 | MentalPower|PC | later all |
| 11:37.31 | Elkano | other way would be ("|c000000ff%s|r"):format(variable) |
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| 11:47.41 | Carim | is there a way to know if the player is currently targeting something? |
| 11:47.50 | foxlit | UnitExists("target") == 1 |
| 11:50.00 | Carim | ok ty :) |
| 12:01.36 | foxlit | Question: GetBattlefieldPosition states that it's for players "in the battlefield" but not in your group. How does that relate to battlegroups? |
| 12:06.19 | Kaso | I think that was just before they introduced battlegroups |
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| 12:06.32 | foxlit | So GetPlayerMapPosition all the way now? |
| 12:06.44 | Kaso | i assume both work |
| 12:07.18 | Kaso | so take your pick :> |
| 12:08.30 | Carim | I'm trying to get the mana of my target, but it gives an error with NPC's that don't have any mana, energy etc. how can I block that? |
| 12:09.01 | zenzelezz | which error? |
| 12:10.12 | Carim | it says that its a nil value and yet I'm making a comparison, so it gives an error |
| 12:10.26 | foxlit | wowi.pastey.net the code :) |
| 12:11.33 | foxlit | Hm, is there a library somewhere that I can pinch the GetMapPosition <=> range conversion from? |
| 12:12.36 | Carim | well the thing is I'm writing the percentage of the target's mana/energy/rage to a value, but when I target NPC's without mana/rage/energy I get an error saying its a nil value. Is there a way to check if the target has some kind of energy/mana/rage |
| 12:13.02 | Kaso | if UnitMana("target") then Dostuff() else DoNothing() end |
| 12:13.32 | Kaso | or you could even do something like mana = ( UnitMana("target") or 0) |
| 12:13.54 | foxlit | UnitManaMax too |
| 12:15.52 | foxlit | Hm, I could probably use SpeedFu's runspeed, if I just knew what the default runspeed was. |
| 12:17.27 | Kaso | foxlit the complicated thing is that the x,y grids on the maps are different scale for each zone iirc so you need to keep a table of conversions, theres addons that do it, but i dont think theres any libs |
| 12:17.59 | foxlit | I realized that part, hence looking for the lookup table :) |
| 12:18.41 | Kaso | shouldnt be too hard to find one to borrow |
| 12:22.02 | foxlit | GetBattlefieldPosition returns pure 0's, by the way |
| 12:22.18 | Kaso | oh really |
| 12:25.19 | foxlit | So I've found |
| 12:25.20 | foxlit | [L["WARSONG"]] = 0.009159138767039199, |
| 12:25.20 | foxlit | [L["ALTERAC"]] = 0.002477872662261515, |
| 12:25.20 | foxlit | [L["ARATHI"]] = 0.005978692329518227 |
| 12:25.43 | foxlit | In SpeedFu. I believe those are normal run speed values in the worldmapscale. |
| 12:26.01 | Kaso | yah |
| 12:26.13 | Kaso | the outlands ones are on SpeedFu's wowi comments |
| 12:26.40 | foxlit | What's the normal run speed in yards/sec? |
| 12:28.24 | Kaso | get a hunter, flare at max range, time how long it takes you to run there |
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| 12:34.06 | Kaso | Titan Speedometer has 1 on X,Y scale equalling 121448.060262717 yards when Map Zoom is set to global scale. |
| 12:34.08 | foxlit | Used CheckInteractDistance |
| 12:34.25 | foxlit | Gave a run speed of 7yards/s in AV |
| 12:34.52 | Kaso | sounds reasonable |
| 12:36.52 | foxlit | Don't really mind a margin of 5 yards on either side. |
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| 13:05.42 | Dezzimal | is there anyway to get bottomscanner the 10 most recently listed auctions regardless of whether or not they are a "deal"? |
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| 13:24.48 | Dezzimal | also, I'm curious what the interquartile range mean is describing, is it some kind of price fluctuation gauge? |
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| 13:39.05 | foxlit | Q3-Q1? |
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| 13:44.07 | foxlit | Average price spread, essentially |
| 13:44.35 | foxlit | The median is the point at which 50% of the dataset has occured. Q1 is then the 25%, Q3 is the 25% |
| 13:44.47 | foxlit | Q3 is the 75% |
| 13:45.18 | foxlit | Q3-Q1 houses 50% of results around the median. Taking a mean of that would give you the average range in which the 50% is contained. |
| 13:46.03 | Dezzimal | thats what I was thinking sort of |
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| 13:47.57 | Dezzimal | an IQR mean of 5g would mean that prices range 5g above/below for that dataset then? |
| 13:48.46 | Dezzimal | a large IQR mean would say that there was a wide price range for the dataset |
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| 13:58.05 | Qshadowp | purl, im in ur akkount sharding ur purplez! |
| 14:02.35 | foxlit | 2.5g, but yeah. |
| 14:03.05 | foxlit | Since 5g is Q3-Q1, and the +- is the Q3-median or median-Q1 |
| 14:09.41 | Qshadowp | http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/6092/9kbps2jp2.jpg |
| 14:09.45 | Qshadowp | my DSL wins the internet \o/ |
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| 14:12.52 | foxlit | turn off the torrents :) |
| 14:25.16 | Qshadowp | foxlit lol i didn't have torrents running when that happened :P |
| 14:25.26 | Qshadowp | there was some bug in my line and it took me 6 months to get my isp to fix it |
| 14:25.35 | Qshadowp | my isp denys the existance that test ever happened :D |
| 14:29.33 | foxlit | Hm, "Finding and evaluating community structure in networks" |
| 14:29.37 | foxlit | Just the math article I need. |
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| 14:39.04 | foxlit | Do raidIDs change dynamically, and always reflect GetRaidRosterInfo(index) index? |
| 14:39.18 | foxlit | i.e. raid1 is always GetRaidRosterInfo(1) |
| 14:46.14 | foxlit | Bonus round: are raid1-5 always group 1? |
| 15:00.18 | nevcairiel | i dont think so |
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| 16:19.44 | foxlit | [Correct answers were: yes; no.] |
| 16:20.24 | [Cu]Werik | So, what's the answer?:) |
| 16:20.45 | foxlit | Yes, raidIDs change dynamically to match the index of GetRaidRosterInfo(index) |
| 16:20.51 | foxlit | No, 1-5 isn't always group 1 |
| 16:21.00 | [Cu]Werik | Why not? |
| 16:21.08 | nevcairiel | it just isnt :) |
| 16:21.13 | foxlit | 1 appears to be reserved for the raid leader |
| 16:21.24 | [Cu]Werik | How can you so sure if you can't tell it why? |
| 16:21.40 | foxlit | Don't need to be, Werik. |
| 16:21.43 | [Cu]Werik | I hope I'm annoying |
| 16:21.52 | nevcairiel | if you know that it wasnt in one case, his point is proven |
| 16:21.55 | [Cu]Werik | Why don't? |
| 16:21.56 | nevcairiel | so no need to know why |
| 16:22.00 | foxlit | You only need to give a counterexample to prove something false; you need actual reasoning to explain why it is. |
| 16:22.21 | [Cu]Werik | That's not true, there can be exceptions |
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| 16:22.53 | foxlit | "The sky is always blue" "The sky is not blue at the moment" "The sky is not always blue" |
| 16:23.27 | [Cu]Werik | mkay, got me here |
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| 16:28.08 | Teomyr | is there an updated version of wow model viewer for 2.0? |
| 16:28.29 | [Cu]Werik | Yes |
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| 16:29.08 | Teomyr | need :D |
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| 16:30.12 | [Cu]Werik | http://www.wowmodelviewer.org/downloads.htm |
| 16:30.47 | Teomyr | thanks :) |
| 16:32.54 | foxlit | Is GetPlayerMapPosition expensive enough to use a lookup table? |
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| 17:05.12 | foxlit | t = {}; t:insert("hi"); |
| 17:05.13 | foxlit | fails |
| 17:05.42 | foxlit | But table.insert(t,"hi") works. Is there something about the : syntax and tables? |
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| 17:22.07 | ckknight | Hey there, anyoine on a mac care to tell me how to install the expansion? I got it all downloaded and patched to 1.12, but the expansion doesn't seem to recognize WoW's existence. |
| 17:22.33 | Cairenn | hi ckknight |
| 17:22.51 | Cairenn | sorry, can't help you myself, I'm on winblows |
| 17:29.15 | imrcly|zzzz | http://beta.worldofwarcraft.com/board.html?forumId=10004&sid=1 |
| 17:29.21 | imrcly|zzzz | might find somehting there |
| 17:29.45 | ckknight | thank you |
| 17:31.23 | foxlit | Sigh, something's wrong. |
| 17:31.38 | foxlit | Finished Analysis. 36 members to shuffle in a 40 person AV raid. |
| 17:32.16 | foxlit | 4 people were inside 50 yards of at least 2 of their partymates :/ |
| 17:32.17 | Imrcly | us that the rearrange by proximity |
| 17:32.27 | Imrcly | is even |
| 17:32.48 | foxlit | Once it actually gets to suggesting who to swap, yes. |
| 17:33.14 | Imrcly | for av why not bae it on what area they are in? |
| 17:33.25 | Imrcly | i need a new keyboard |
| 17:33.49 | foxlit | As in, by name? |
| 17:33.55 | Imrcly | yeah |
| 17:34.05 | foxlit | Returns "Alterac Valley" in a lot of places. |
| 17:34.06 | Imrcly | dun baulder stone hearth |
| 17:34.13 | Cairenn | :) |
| 17:34.21 | Cairenn | sorry, wrong channel |
| 17:34.35 | Imrcly | have it parse it both ways ignoring people who are in the same areas and only check those that are not |
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| 17:35.59 | foxlit | Hm, I guess that's a possible solution |
| 17:36.14 | foxlit | I don't have problems with the range check, though, so I'd rather go through that for now. |
| 17:36.41 | Imrcly | because most named areas are pretty small |
| 17:39.15 | ckknight | okay, anyone with a mac client? I figured out the issue |
| 17:54.28 | clad|sleep | ckknight: yea, whgats up |
| 17:55.04 | ckknight | clad|sleep, I need to log in for it to recognize I have WoW, but I can't log in because it wants to patch itself |
| 17:55.21 | ckknight | someone in #wowace is sending me their prefs files, which hopefully will work |
| 17:55.36 | Imrcly | just wait for it to start to patch then cancel th epatch |
| 17:55.39 | clad|sleep | yeah, thats the best i can think of. |
| 17:55.54 | Imrcly | thats what i did |
| 17:56.01 | Imrcly | but thats on pc |
| 17:56.08 | clad|sleep | yean can't you do that |
| 17:56.14 | clad|sleep | make it download the patch |
| 17:56.17 | clad|sleep | that should log you in enough |
| 17:56.42 | clad|sleep | i.e. move the patch file, load wow, login, cancel the downloader when it starts and put the patch file back |
| 17:57.14 | ckknight | the patcher you mean? |
| 17:57.23 | clad|sleep | no |
| 17:57.26 | clad|sleep | the downloader |
| 17:57.33 | clad|sleep | i wouldn't try cancelling a patch |
| 17:58.12 | cladhaire | hrm, my honor didn't apply last night =/ |
| 17:58.18 | cladhaire | maybe cause i was logged in at 4am server time? |
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| 18:04.03 | ckknight | okay, manually setting the prefs didn't seem to work |
| 18:04.14 | cladhaire | do what we said =-) |
| 18:04.55 | ckknight | I logged in, it downloaded the patch download deal, it's running now |
| 18:05.03 | ckknight | it still doesn't recognize WoW's existence |
| 18:05.07 | cladhaire | hrm |
| 18:05.08 | cladhaire | weird. |
| 18:05.15 | cladhaire | did you try downloading the new beta client install? |
| 18:05.27 | ckknight | not sure. |
| 18:05.42 | ckknight | I got from the website |
| 18:06.11 | cladhaire | hrm |
| 18:08.58 | Imrcly | is there a seperate installer for mac and pc? |
| 18:09.03 | cladhaire | yes |
| 18:09.07 | cladhaire | there has to be =) |
| 18:09.11 | cladhaire | we can't run .exe files |
| 18:09.21 | Imrcly | you can its just not easy |
| 18:09.29 | cladhaire | for all intensive purposes, we can't. |
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| 18:18.42 | sysrage | gotta watch out for those intensive purposes |
| 18:18.46 | ckknight | blah |
| 18:20.02 | cladhaire | Can i just say that I hate the domain name aftermarket? |
| 18:20.50 | Imrcly | yes |
| 18:21.17 | cladhaire | I hate the domain name aftermarket |
| 18:21.37 | cladhaire | the domain i need expires at 8:00pm tonight, but because of the horrible way it works, won't be available for 70 days. |
| 18:22.15 | Arca | How the hell can it delay for 70 days |
| 18:22.16 | foxlit | Some would call that helpful :) |
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| 18:23.37 | Elkano | cladhaire, maybe it's to give the former owner still a chance to reclaim it |
| 18:23.43 | cladhaire | it is |
| 18:23.55 | cladhaire | but they had a chance to renew it, up to the point it expires. |
| 18:24.19 | cladhaire | not to mention all the "auction" services around, that will pound verisign's server to get the registration, then sell it to the highest bidder. |
| 18:24.23 | cladhaire | its all a horrible scan |
| 18:24.27 | cladhaire | s/an/sm/ |
| 18:24.31 | cladhaire | SCSM! |
| 18:26.10 | cladhaire | Anyone know how daily honor gets applied and calculated? |
| 18:26.14 | cladhaire | i.e. when and how? |
| 18:26.19 | foxlit | ~1am |
| 18:26.26 | cladhaire | well that didn't happen |
| 18:26.28 | foxlit | old+current=new? |
| 18:26.32 | cladhaire | does it only happen if you're logged off>? |
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| 18:26.55 | cladhaire | i had like 14k honor yesterday, but now i can't spend any of it |
| 18:28.20 | foxlit | No, it happens regardless |
| 18:28.27 | cladhaire | hrm it definitely didn't happen |
| 18:28.42 | foxlit | 14k is a bit much, really |
| 18:28.52 | foxlit | At lest for alliance in eu1 :P |
| 18:28.53 | cladhaire | i had 18k honor yesterday, i earned another 13k.. now I still only have 18k honor. |
| 18:29.03 | foxlit | Display bug, quite likely |
| 18:29.25 | cladhaire | one that will prevent me from making purchases? =) |
| 18:29.37 | foxlit | One that showed you an incorrect earned, perhaps |
| 18:29.45 | cladhaire | ... |
| 18:29.45 | cladhaire | no |
| 18:29.52 | cladhaire | i was there for every single bit of the honor |
| 18:29.57 | cladhaire | and i gained 0 from yesterday |
| 18:30.23 | axxo | afk botting honor gets removed |
| 18:30.40 | Imrcly | showed i made 1800 honor yesterday |
| 18:30.55 | cladhaire | axxo: I wasn't afk botting. |
| 18:31.00 | cladhaire | and no it hasn't been |
| 18:31.08 | cladhaire | you don't understand.. I made 0 honor over yesterday |
| 18:31.13 | cladhaire | that's wrong. |
| 18:31.17 | axxo | you can't earn 13k in 1 day ;X |
| 18:31.23 | cladhaire | and my today display still shows the amount from yesterday |
| 18:31.26 | cladhaire | axxo: Yes.. you can. |
| 18:31.29 | cladhaire | I played for 20 hours yesterday |
| 18:31.41 | sysrage | 13k would be easy. especially with the extra honor this weekend |
| 18:31.59 | cladhaire | yep |
| 18:32.04 | cladhaire | that's why i'm asking. |
| 18:32.06 | cladhaire | there's a problem here. |
| 18:32.42 | cladhaire | not to mention, you get bonus honor REGARDLESS |
| 18:32.47 | cladhaire | if you are in the zone, you get it. |
| 18:34.37 | cladhaire | yesterday/today never rolled over for some reason |
| 18:34.50 | foxlit | Did for me. |
| 18:35.05 | cladhaire | well it didn't on my server |
| 18:35.17 | foxlit | Everyone, or just you? |
| 18:35.44 | cladhaire | at least two other people |
| 18:35.46 | cladhaire | confirming now. |
| 18:36.37 | cladhaire | thats five people. |
| 18:38.02 | Imrcly | so how well do you think that the no maintenece downtime gonna go? |
| 18:38.14 | cladhaire | i think it'll be fine. |
| 18:39.49 | Tain | Happy New Year! |
| 18:40.01 | cladhaire | you as well my friend! |
| 18:40.07 | axxo | bit early for that |
| 18:40.38 | Tain | No happy new year for axxo. |
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| 18:49.44 | cladhaire | foxlit: our entire battlegroup actually |
| 18:57.54 | cladhaire | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=59329866&sid=1&pageNo=1 for anyone in the Vindication or Ruin battlegroups. |
| 18:58.19 | Shadowed | excellent finally somebody besides Nightfall gets server issues |
| 18:58.25 | cladhaire | ... |
| 18:58.41 | Shadowed | oh honor calculation not server dying |
| 18:59.46 | foxlit | Hm, not halfbad |
| 19:00.02 | cladhaire | Shadowed: I don't want to hear anything about server issues, heh. |
| 19:00.11 | Shadowed | hehe |
| 19:00.14 | Shadowed | has it been that bad for you guys? |
| 19:01.29 | cladhaire | since day one |
| 19:01.31 | cladhaire | =) |
| 19:01.45 | Shadowed | I'm not sure if it's possible to beat the power of icedown |
| 19:03.39 | cladhaire | our entire horde population (literally) left when transfers opened. |
| 19:03.47 | cladhaire | and we never got free transfers, because we're neglected =) |
| 19:03.59 | Hatsuki | seriously, if server downtime is your main problem today, you might have some other problems also;) |
| 19:04.44 | Shadowed | it hasn't been that bad lately, but we had alot of issues from cross server battlegrounds :p |
| 19:05.11 | Tain | Watching fooball and a ref in the middle of the field just got knocked the hell out by a pass to his head. |
| 19:07.51 | cladhaire | ooho |
| 19:07.52 | cladhaire | ne wgame |
| 19:07.55 | cladhaire | ima fish in AV |
| 19:07.58 | cladhaire | see if i get anything cookl |
| 19:08.07 | Shadowed | Last I heard AV had some decent fish |
| 19:08.08 | cladhaire | cool even |
| 19:08.13 | Imrcly | ab has good fish |
| 19:10.08 | Imrcly | few more hours until the newbs get wow |
| 19:10.36 | Imrcly | im gonna go to the starting area and kill everything |
| 19:11.27 | cladhaire | I dont have the patience for fishing in open water |
| 19:13.12 | foxlit | http://img321.imageshack.us/img321/4950/visfc5.jpg |
| 19:13.19 | foxlit | I need a better visualization for proposed groups |
| 19:13.33 | Tain | You can fish in Zelda for the Wii, it's fun. |
| 19:13.38 | Imrcly | use circles? |
| 19:13.51 | foxlit | They didn't like :SetVertexColor on them. |
| 19:14.18 | Shadowed | I'm terrible at Zelda fishing :( |
| 19:14.32 | Imrcly | i couldn't get a wii |
| 19:14.38 | Imrcly | i was the next perosn in line |
| 19:14.43 | Imrcly | i cried a little inside |
| 19:15.26 | cladhaire | foxlit:Use the raid target icons. |
| 19:15.28 | MentalPower|PC | Imrcly: you can use :SetVertexColor on a circle texture |
| 19:15.37 | Tain | I couldn't bring myself to get up early and wait in line for one, I just got lucky. |
| 19:15.52 | MentalPower|PC | Imrcly: it has to be all white, and the circle created in the alpha channel |
| 19:16.04 | Imrcly | it was foxlit that said that |
| 19:16.33 | foxlit | cladhaire: how do I get to those? |
| 19:17.11 | MentalPower|PC | foxlit: you can use my circle texture http://auctioneeraddon.com/scm/browser/trunk/itemizer/Art/Slider.tga |
| 19:17.17 | cladhaire | foxlit: Interface\\TargetingFrame\\UI-RaidTargetingIcons |
| 19:17.33 | cladhaire | SetRaidTargetIconTexture(textureObject, index) |
| 19:23.02 | Kiphere|Sleepy | lalala. |
| 19:23.08 | Kiphere|Sleepy | honor grinding in av as horde is depressing. |
| 19:24.33 | foxlit | just do wsg? |
| 19:24.58 | cladhaire | av is better honor right now. |
| 19:25.24 | cladhaire | i need some serious AB tokens tho |
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| 19:26.15 | foxlit | 98 AV tokens. |
| 19:26.19 | foxlit | Going to be a problem next game :/ |
| 19:27.02 | Eggi | only 3 av tokens but 60+ from the other bgs :( |
| 19:27.51 | cladhaire | they'll get mailed to you |
| 19:28.10 | foxlit | Battlemaster mail expires in 24 hours |
| 19:28.13 | cladhaire | i know |
| 19:28.20 | cladhaire | but it you dont need em, you dont need em |
| 19:28.43 | foxlit | I should probably dump some of them on AV rewards. |
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| 19:32.51 | cladhaire | why on EARTH does the battle standard cost so much |
| 19:34.53 | End | dunno |
| 19:35.50 | End | thing is, you can still only use it in battlegrounds anyways |
| 19:35.58 | End | so come xpac, it's even more worthless |
| 19:36.26 | cladhaire | EoS |
| 19:36.31 | cladhaire | it'll be nice for stuff in there |
| 19:36.44 | End | EoS? |
| 19:36.48 | foxlit | TuF wouldn't proc for druids, would it? |
| 19:36.50 | cladhaire | eye of the storm |
| 19:36.55 | cladhaire | foxlit: yes it does now, imo |
| 19:36.57 | End | isn't the cooldown too long? |
| 19:36.58 | Tain | Not as good as the Eye of the Tiger |
| 19:37.10 | cladhaire | hrm? |
| 19:37.13 | Tain | Rising up to the challenge of our rivals |
| 19:37.21 | foxlit | Battlestandard is 30, btw? |
| 19:37.36 | cladhaire | no battlestandard is 23k honor. |
| 19:37.45 | foxlit | Stormpike :) |
| 19:37.53 | cladhaire | i have stormpike. |
| 19:38.25 | End | hmm |
| 19:38.41 | cladhaire | ive had that since i was a baby moocow. |
| 19:39.58 | Tain | That's udderly ridiculous. |
| 19:42.42 | cladhaire | i absolutely hate paladins. |
| 19:42.50 | cladhaire | they shoudl not be stunlock machines. |
| 19:42.51 | foxlit | moo? |
| 19:43.27 | foxlit | They have what, HoJ on 60s, repetance that breaks on damage, and the seal proc? |
| 19:43.49 | cladhaire | yeah, but hoj is what.. 6 seconds?> |
| 19:43.51 | cladhaire | thats ridiculous. |
| 19:44.17 | End | I agree, paladins are...awfully powerful :-/ |
| 19:44.17 | foxlit | Not really. Most classes that stun can stun for that much using a combination of abilities |
| 19:44.34 | cladhaire | yeah mean the one other stunning class? |
| 19:45.01 | foxlit | Bash and pounce give 9, for instance |
| 19:45.11 | cladhaire | yes.. and requires a ton of work |
| 19:45.22 | cladhaire | its not free =) |
| 19:45.24 | Tain | Pounce? There is actually an ability called Pounce? |
| 19:45.28 | foxlit | It's more flexible :) |
| 19:45.34 | cladhaire | and more difficult to pull off. |
| 19:45.35 | End | yeah, it's a druid cat form opener |
| 19:45.52 | Tain | Should be able to counter that with, "Bit of String" |
| 19:46.03 | End | lol |
| 19:46.14 | Qshadowp | are discord mods back up yet? |
| 19:47.22 | foxlit | Rogues, though |
| 19:47.54 | foxlit | Annoying as heck. |
| 19:47.58 | Qshadowp | purl, update Discord action bars for me. |
| 19:47.59 | cladhaire | and don't wear plate =) |
| 19:49.08 | cladhaire | my issues with paladins are based on the fact that they are a brick wall for any group of people trying to cap something. |
| 19:49.12 | cladhaire | no other class can say that |
| 19:49.25 | cladhaire | and i 'like QQing |
| 19:49.50 | Imrcly | silent shot |
| 19:50.01 | foxlit | DS likes to go around that. |
| 19:50.23 | foxlit | At least if pre-2.0 IceBlock is any measure. |
| 19:51.04 | cladhaire | Imrcly: Silent shot does nothing if they can bubble and melee |
| 19:51.06 | cladhaire | which is retarded =) |
| 19:51.50 | cladhaire | woot yay for faction imbalance! |
| 19:52.13 | cladhaire | all of alliance is in AB |
| 19:52.15 | cladhaire | err AV |
| 19:52.20 | Qshadowp | woot, some random person updated discord action bars |
| 19:52.31 | Qshadowp | not all of it works, but its a good plug till the official one is up :) |
| 19:52.56 | cladhaire | so I can run AB and haev a good time =) |
| 19:54.46 | foxlit | Hm, so, tell me. |
| 19:55.00 | foxlit | WoW LUA parser looks through every :SetTexture("path") call and caches path? |
| 19:56.23 | cladhaire | hrm? |
| 19:56.31 | cladhaire | what do you mean |
| 19:57.01 | foxlit | I have a feeling I need to restart wow every time I change a path to a texture |
| 19:57.52 | cladhaire | no |
| 19:58.02 | cladhaire | wow can only open files that existed when the game was opened. |
| 19:58.09 | cladhaire | that's yoru issue =) |
| 19:59.40 | foxlit | How does it check? |
| 20:00.43 | ckknight | on Macs, how do I alt-tab out of WoW? |
| 20:00.45 | cladhaire | i suspect it iterates the path recursively when it opens. |
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| 20:00.48 | cladhaire | ckknight: command-M |
| 20:01.27 | ckknight | you're a pimp |
| 20:02.00 | cladhaire | heh |
| 20:02.09 | cladhaire | i dont like that ther'es no way to "minimize" wow.. but i get by |
| 20:02.11 | cladhaire | dual monitors helps. |
| 20:03.17 | foxlit | Hm, progress |
| 20:03.17 | ckknight | it's so smooth! |
| 20:03.19 | ckknight | it's amazing! |
| 20:03.26 | ckknight | I can turn the camera and not have jittering |
| 20:03.40 | cladhaire | there is a memory leak when going between FS and windowed tho, so use it sparingly =) |
| 20:03.46 | foxlit | http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/6319/ver2cc3.jpg |
| 20:03.56 | cladhaire | with settings jacked I get 30fps easy, everywhere. |
| 20:04.20 | ckknight | cladhaire, apparently you can hide WoW |
| 20:04.22 | ckknight | cmd-H |
| 20:04.24 | cladhaire | aye |
| 20:04.39 | cladhaire | i dont think you can do that from fullscreen mode tho |
| 20:04.48 | ckknight | yea, you can't |
| 20:08.16 | Imrcly | thats nice |
| 20:08.31 | Imrcly | is that the group radius? |
| 20:08.45 | ckknight | cladhaire, what do you use as a code editor for lua? |
| 20:08.51 | cladhaire | cs |
| 20:08.53 | cladhaire | err |
| 20:08.54 | cladhaire | emacs |
| 20:09.03 | cladhaire | Aquamacs to be specific =) |
| 20:09.08 | cladhaire | with lua-mode, ecb and psvn |
| 20:10.11 | foxlit | Imrcly: yes. |
| 20:10.12 | Mikma | moo |
| 20:10.21 | foxlit | I'm in doubt over some settings, though |
| 20:10.31 | ckknight | hrm, I'm not an emacs fan |
| 20:10.34 | cladhaire | my lua-mode is tweaked a little bit, i don't like any electric indenting |
| 20:10.40 | foxlit | It works approximatley like this at the moment: |
| 20:10.43 | cladhaire | *shrug* i use both vim and emacs, btu emacs has more goodies in this case |
| 20:10.47 | cladhaire | i can commit right from the editor |
| 20:10.53 | cladhaire | and the code browser is hotness |
| 20:11.08 | foxlit | 1. For each group, find distances between group members. If a group member is > Threshold away from more than half of the group, he is considered "free" |
| 20:11.45 | foxlit | 2. For each group, check if there are any "free" members within thershold range. If so, consider them a member of the group. |
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| 20:12.13 | foxlit | 3. For incomplete each group, find the closest player marked "free" and consider them a member of the group. |
| 20:13.24 | Imrcly | does it rearrange the groups or is this just logical right now |
| 20:13.50 | foxlit | The output is a list of proposed groups. |
| 20:14.15 | foxlit | Which I'm using to draw the map. Logical, yeah :) |
| 20:15.45 | Imrcly | gah grinding weapon skills sucks |
| 20:16.20 | cladhaire | ckknight: http://img169.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture1ji3.png |
| 20:16.25 | cladhaire | ckknight: Thats how I code |
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| 20:16.53 | Tain | I still have nightmares of Everquest crafting grinding, WoW's is like taking a leisurely stroll through the gumdrop park. |
| 20:18.23 | KaeltenAway | cladhaire: I like that editor |
| 20:18.33 | cladhaire | aye, its very nice |
| 20:19.23 | KaeltenAway | mac only I'm assuming |
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| 20:19.35 | cladhaire | no actually |
| 20:19.40 | cladhaire | but gnu emacs for win32 sucks, |
| 20:19.57 | KaeltenAway | lol really? |
| 20:20.24 | KaeltenAway | I've been using the Scite you put out a while back |
| 20:20.40 | cladhaire | that's one thing i dont like.. lua-mode's compiulation has issues and i haevn't figured those out. |
| 20:20.49 | cladhaire | but its improved my brain-compiler :P |
| 20:20.56 | Kaelten | :P |
| 20:21.04 | Kaelten | how about a linux version? hows it? |
| 20:21.11 | cladhaire | perfect |
| 20:21.17 | cladhaire | same thing |
| 20:21.19 | Kaelten | run on fedora core 6? |
| 20:21.24 | cladhaire | absolutely |
| 20:21.27 | cladhaire | any unix |
| 20:21.32 | Tain | SciTE is still my favorite so far. |
| 20:21.40 | cladhaire | its just emacs + psvn + ecb |
| 20:21.40 | Kaelten | I got one of those sitting over here on a p3 |
| 20:22.01 | Kaelten | those are the package names? |
| 20:22.09 | cladhaire | well the software names |
| 20:22.11 | cladhaire | emacs is obvious |
| 20:22.34 | cladhaire | http://ecb.sourceforge.net/ thats the good stuff |
| 20:22.35 | cladhaire | and then lua-mode. |
| 20:22.39 | cladhaire | psvn is just for svn integration |
| 20:23.21 | cladhaire | i.e. C-x v v checks a file in, C-x v = does a diff |
| 20:24.19 | Kaelten | sadly I'm at a point in linux where if yum can't install it I'm still having a hard time figuring it out :) |
| 20:24.24 | cladhaire | ckknight: I can send prefs over |
| 20:24.32 | cladhaire | Kaelten: Well, you can check the install doc for ECB |
| 20:24.36 | cladhaire | it won't be a package |
| 20:24.43 | cladhaire | emacs, however will be.. so i'd start there |
| 20:24.46 | cladhaire | and take that tutorial |
| 20:24.49 | cladhaire | make sure you like it =) |
| 20:25.00 | Kaelten | yep emacs is :) |
| 20:25.13 | Kaelten | I do plan on getting a mac, its just going ot be a little while |
| 20:25.26 | cladhaire | tell your big bad bosses to let you buy one |
| 20:25.27 | ckknight | cladhaire, really, I'm not used to emacs, and I'm not fond of learning curves :-P |
| 20:25.31 | cladhaire | it'll increase your productivity =) |
| 20:25.38 | Kaelten | cladhaire: once we get out to cali I might :) |
| 20:25.40 | cladhaire | ckknight: There won't be one. |
| 20:25.49 | cladhaire | ckknight: All the default mac keys work, command-c command-v, etc. |
| 20:25.59 | ckknight | hrm |
| 20:26.01 | ckknight | tempting |
| 20:26.08 | cladhaire | it'll work justy like textedit out of the box |
| 20:26.15 | ckknight | ah, hell, send over your prefs ;-) |
| 20:26.16 | cladhaire | doing the "extra" things takes a minimal amount of learning |
| 20:26.20 | ckknight | I'll play your game |
| 20:26.20 | cladhaire | k |
| 20:26.29 | Kaelten | lol |
| 20:26.43 | Kaelten | its going to be weird coding on linux, and not being able to test em on it though |
| 20:26.55 | cladhaire | * cough* get a mac |
| 20:27.28 | Kaelten | lol a mac cost more than 100 bucks on ebay |
| 20:28.06 | ckknight | I'm not a zealot, I got my mac because it was the best deal for the amount I was willing to pay |
| 20:28.25 | Imrcly | i want a mac because i like fruit |
| 20:28.27 | ckknight | I am quite pleasantly surprised by the whole OS X experience, though |
| 20:29.10 | Tain | I did look at buying a Mac laptop when I decided to get a new laptop, but the cost compared to similar hardware on a Windows laptop was a huge difference. |
| 20:29.16 | cladhaire | ckknight: same here |
| 20:29.40 | ckknight | Tain, I found the Windows ones to be more expensive for the same hardware |
| 20:29.49 | ckknight | maybe I didn't look hard enough |
| 20:29.52 | Tain | It depends on the hardware you're looking at. |
| 20:29.59 | ckknight | $2000 range laptop |
| 20:30.03 | Tain | It's certainly not a universal truth, just what I was looking at. |
| 20:30.26 | Kaelten | cladhaire: I am wanting to look at the XEmacs Installation or the GNU one? |
| 20:30.40 | cladhaire | try xemacs first |
| 20:30.44 | cladhaire | it should work, and its better maintained. |
| 20:31.24 | cladhaire | ckknight: http://dump.brokendreams.net/files/AquamacsEmacs.zip |
| 20:31.34 | cladhaire | i made all loads relative to ~ so you should be fine to drop that in. |
| 20:31.37 | cladhaire | and load up aquamacs |
| 20:32.37 | cladhaire | ckknight: One thing, be careful when zipping up directories.. you need to get rid of the .DS_Store and other metadatdata |
| 20:33.09 | cladhaire | __MACOSX and .DS_Store |
| 20:33.58 | ckknight | cladhaire, okay |
| 20:35.09 | cladhaire | i wrote a quick shell script which zips and cleans files for me. |
| 20:35.26 | amro | cladhaire: I could never get xemacs to display and input tabs the way I like, is there a way to change it? |
| 20:35.38 | ckknight | cladhaire, so do I need to download Emacs first or what? |
| 20:35.42 | cladhaire | amro: Depends on what you want.. I'm very particular about my preferences. |
| 20:35.45 | cladhaire | ckknight: Yes, Aquamacs |
| 20:35.50 | cladhaire | just google it |
| 20:36.12 | cladhaire | amro: I dont display tabs (i think there's a way to do it) but i have tabs to ALWAYS use the tab key, and to insert actual tabs. |
| 20:36.14 | ckknight | koay |
| 20:36.15 | ckknight | got it |
| 20:36.20 | cladhaire | I dont like any electric indenting or anything. |
| 20:36.24 | ckknight | you had the AquamacsEmacs zip, so I was confused |
| 20:36.30 | amro | by display I meant the amount of spaces in one |
| 20:36.33 | amro | not a character |
| 20:36.40 | [Cu]Werik | I'm not really familiar with the american habits, but I'd like to bid you all a peaceful Christmas and a prosperous new year :) |
| 20:36.42 | amro | any way to change that? |
| 20:36.54 | cladhaire | amro: Not sure what you're asking entirely |
| 20:37.14 | cladhaire | are you talking behavior or tabs, or the tab key? |
| 20:37.15 | amro | well in virtually any editor, you can set the amount of spaces in a tab |
| 20:37.34 | Kaelten | hrm the one yum installed was GNU |
| 20:38.08 | cladhaire | Kaelten: shoudl be fine either way, yum install xemacs probably woulda grabbed it for you |
| 20:38.18 | MentalPower|PC | [Cu]Werik: and a merry christmas to you too |
| 20:39.21 | cladhaire | [Cu]Werik: Merry Christmas |
| 20:40.31 | Industrial | yeah merry christmas to all you christians and santasians |
| 20:40.35 | Industrial | \o/ |
| 20:41.01 | cladhaire | ckknight: You should have the following installed =): Audacity, Cyberduck, FireStarter FX, NeoOffice and you should use Colloquy as your irc client =) |
| 20:41.04 | amro | merry christmas to those that celebrate it! :) |
| 20:41.07 | cladhaire | those would be my only suggestions |
| 20:41.37 | amro | clad, you use gnome? |
| 20:41.49 | cladhaire | amro: No, Mac OS X |
| 20:41.59 | seebs | I think Christmas is merriest for the retail workers, who are about to get their first five minutes off since a week ago. |
| 20:42.06 | ckknight | cladhaire, I tried Colloquy, I prefer XChat |
| 20:42.10 | cladhaire | *nod* |
| 20:42.11 | Industrial | ckknight: you got a mac? |
| 20:42.14 | ckknight | yea |
| 20:42.15 | cladhaire | i like it cause its so different =) |
| 20:42.19 | Industrial | cool :D |
| 20:42.21 | cladhaire | i haven't wanted to go back to xchat |
| 20:42.27 | ckknight | what's Cyberduck and FireStarter FX? |
| 20:42.34 | cladhaire | ckknight: FTP client, and burning software |
| 20:42.38 | cladhaire | for when you can't do it using disk utility |
| 20:42.40 | ckknight | koay. |
| 20:42.45 | ckknight | okay* |
| 20:42.49 | Industrial | my next laptop will be a mac - but im not getting any anytime soon :( |
| 20:43.01 | ckknight | also, using alt in WoW seems so weird |
| 20:43.06 | ckknight | is there any way I can use Cmd instead? |
| 20:43.11 | cladhaire | you dont have to d/l now, just file em away for the future =) |
| 20:43.15 | ckknight | like remap it while in WoW or something |
| 20:43.30 | cladhaire | ckknight: I haven't tried, cause i use an external keyboard/mouse when playing wow |
| 20:43.39 | cladhaire | but it is difficult when playing on the laptop |
| 20:43.39 | ckknight | ah. |
| 20:48.51 | Mikma | Industrial: oh noes teh mac |
| 20:49.46 | cladhaire | okay after that pre-made 5 cap |
| 20:49.51 | cladhaire | i'm gonna go to the mall and grab some things quick |
| 20:49.56 | cladhaire | have a good evening everyone! |
| 20:50.01 | clad|sleep | err |
| 20:50.16 | clad|away | wishful thinking. |
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| 20:51.09 | Industrial | Mikma: :P |
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| 21:26.42 | foxlit | Wonder why they called it SetPoint rather than SetAnchor |
| 21:29.38 | Imrcly | they wanted it to be confusing |
| 21:31.26 | foxlit | PVPS_ShowProjected = CreateFrame("BUTTON","PVPS_ShowProjected",WorldMapFrame,"UIPanelButtonTemplate"); |
| 21:31.26 | foxlit | PVPS_ShowProjected:SetText("Show Projected"); |
| 21:31.26 | foxlit | PVPS_ShowProjected:SetPoint("TOPLEFT",WorldMapFrameZoomOutButton,"TOPRIGHT",10,0); |
| 21:31.26 | foxlit | PVPS_ShowProjected:SetScript("OnClick",PVPS_ShowProjectedGroups); |
| 21:31.30 | foxlit | But I get no button :( |
| 21:31.47 | foxlit | (although the object exists and is alive and well) |
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| 21:34.32 | Kirkburn | Did I just log on and kick myself immediately? Or is IRC lying to me? :P |
| 21:35.13 | nevcairiel | its lying |
| 21:36.06 | Kirkburn | Stoopid thing |
| 21:36.19 | Kirkburn | Merry Xmas btw for whenever you're celebrating it :) |
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| 21:36.40 | Kirkburn | Was it today in germany, or are you a Dec 25th person? |
| 21:37.48 | nevcairiel | its today |
| 21:37.50 | nevcairiel | or was |
| 21:38.04 | nevcairiel | but merry christmas to you too |
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| 21:50.30 | Tain | Bah humbug |
| 21:59.57 | Qshadowp | are there any smart potion mods? |
| 22:00.03 | Qshadowp | for the battleground pots? |
| 22:00.11 | Qshadowp | i found the one for the battleground bandages, but nothing for pots :P |
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| 22:06.53 | Qshadowp | oh btw, i heard it was possible to make a kind of decurse grid? |
| 22:07.01 | foxlit | Yes. |
| 22:07.06 | Qshadowp | where you had a set of 40 buttons, and the buttons could change color if you where able to decurse? |
| 22:07.08 | foxlit | Whack-a-mole for mages. |
| 22:07.11 | Qshadowp | does it exist yet? :D |
| 22:07.11 | foxlit | Yes. |
| 22:07.18 | Qshadowp | whatsit called? |
| 22:07.19 | foxlit | (yes to where you...) |
| 22:07.25 | foxlit | I'm sure Grid does some form of it? |
| 22:07.57 | Qshadowp | what do you mean? :P |
| 22:08.09 | Qshadowp | your sure that Grid does some form of it? |
| 22:08.33 | foxlit | I'm guessing Grid can be configured to do something like it. |
| 22:08.45 | Qshadowp | whats Grid? :P |
| 22:10.01 | Qshadowp | ahh, found Grid on wowinterface |
| 22:10.44 | Qshadowp | thats hte idea, but that seems to be more of a funky unitframe than a decurse thing |
| 22:10.50 | Qshadowp | someone should write something like that to do decurses :) |
| 22:10.58 | nevcairiel | its a complete raidframe |
| 22:11.04 | nevcairiel | but sure can be used for decursing only |
| 22:11.56 | Qshadowp | ok, i'll fiddle with it. |
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| 22:25.19 | Kirkburn | Why does WoWI deny me access these days? :( |
| 22:25.25 | foxlit | Typical. |
| 22:25.39 | foxlit | Just as I finish revising grouping code, AV completes. |
| 22:27.41 | Kirkburn | Hmm, my WoWI tracert times out |
| 22:27.54 | Kirkburn | 65.98.0.213 doesn't respond :/ |
| 22:28.41 | MentalPower|PC | 65.98.55.102 <---Thats what my DNS says WoWI's IP is |
| 22:29.31 | Qshadowp | * Dns resolving www.wowinterface.com |
| 22:29.31 | Qshadowp | - |
| 22:29.31 | Qshadowp | * Dns resolved www.wowinterface.com to 65.98.55.102 |
| 22:29.45 | zenzelezz | same as Mental and Q for me |
| 22:29.52 | MentalPower|PC | http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/ispdns.ch?name=wowinterface.com&type=A |
| 22:30.50 | MentalPower|PC | http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/ptr.ch?ip=65.98.0.213 |
| 22:30.58 | Qshadowp | dnsstuff ftw |
| 22:31.07 | MentalPower|PC | yup |
| 22:31.22 | Qshadowp | i like useing that on people who threaten me on IRC, funny as hell |
| 22:31.37 | Qshadowp | ppl have there ident as there ip, dns stuff and start reading out where they live |
| 22:31.39 | Qshadowp | :D |
| 22:32.20 | Industrial | blizzard made a booboo |
| 22:32.28 | Industrial | http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/5897/wowscrnshot122406233040xt5.jpg |
| 22:32.50 | Qshadowp | lmao :P |
| 22:32.56 | MentalPower|PC | what item? |
| 22:33.05 | Industrial | Taming Rod |
| 22:33.10 | Industrial | last part of the quest |
| 22:33.21 | MentalPower|PC | hehe |
| 22:34.03 | Industrial | DAMNIT |
| 22:34.05 | Industrial | it wont USE the item |
| 22:34.07 | Industrial | :( |
| 22:34.11 | Industrial | now i cant do my quest |
| 22:34.18 | Industrial | and i need it to get a pet, lmao |
| 22:34.46 | Qshadowp | lol |
| 22:34.54 | Qshadowp | gm ticket ftw |
| 22:35.33 | Industrial | AGAIN |
| 22:35.35 | Industrial | god damnit |
| 22:35.36 | Industrial | :P |
| 22:35.39 | Industrial | (got another rod) |
| 22:36.00 | zenzelezz | you have the mob targetted while rightclicking the rod? |
| 22:38.34 | Industrial | yes |
| 22:38.42 | Industrial | i know ow to Use an item |
| 22:38.42 | Industrial | lol |
| 22:38.53 | zenzelezz | pardon me for making sure |
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| 22:46.24 | Industrial | gunna run to org with it cus im bored |
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| 23:01.38 | Bleeter | oh wow, my brother gave me his retired and broken iPod for chrissy.. happy joy joy. can't even play Doom on it. useless brick. |
| 23:02.12 | Industrial | wtf my sister got an ipod video |
| 23:02.22 | Industrial | but her nano was broken so i didnt get crap :P |
| 23:02.47 | Industrial | she payed for the video tho, just bummer that her nano was broken |
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| 23:10.00 | Kirkburn | MentalPower|PC, Qshadowp that IP was where it stopped |
| 23:10.36 | Kirkburn | I'm not that stupid y'know. I put the actual IP in the tracert :) |
| 23:10.37 | Qshadowp | oh :P |
| 23:11.09 | Bleeter | Industrial: troll hunter problem on third part of taming chain? equip the taming rod into your main hand to 'use' it (ie, equip it, but 'use' it to tame, don't try to weild it... crazy messed up) |
| 23:11.26 | Industrial | Yeah I just did that |
| 23:11.31 | Industrial | like 30 secs ago |
| 23:11.34 | Bleeter | heh |
| 23:15.55 | Bleeter | holy shit, it's snowing on christmas day.. rofl |
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| 23:18.23 | Kirkburn | *sigh* ... my parents. Go downstairs and I hear the TV switch channel. Walk into the lounge, my dad pretends to be channel hopping. Go back upstairs, oh, the TV's back on the original channel. Wonder what channel is carrying soft-porn at this time of night? \o/ |
| 23:18.37 | foxlit | http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/8969/basinbb0.jpg :( |
| 23:19.42 | Kirkburn | 'Proposed'? |
| 23:20.58 | foxlit | I'm writing an addon that re-arranges groups in battlegrounds based on proximimity |
| 23:21.10 | foxlit | 'Proposed' is the group config it is currently suggesting |
| 23:21.33 | Kirkburn | Funky |
| 23:21.51 | Kirkburn | Um, but are you alliance or horde in that shot? :P |
| 23:22.28 | foxlit | Alliance |
| 23:23.08 | Kirkburn | ouch |
| 23:27.36 | Qshadowp | lol i love throwing like 40 snowballs at the person infront of me on deeprun tram |
| 23:27.53 | Qshadowp | tram speed > snowball speed |
| 23:28.06 | Qshadowp | so at the end of the tram they get loads of snowballs hit them in quick sucession :D |
| 23:30.39 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 23:30.46 | Kirkburn | Sneaky |
| 23:33.44 | foxlit | Hm, so lets assume I sorted my preffered group layout somehow. |
| 23:34.17 | foxlit | I would then need to SwapRaidSubgroup(i,j) it to reality? |
| 23:38.59 | Codayus | I'm calling :AddLine() on a tooltip, but my line is appearing outside the boundary of the tooltip - the tooltip isn't expanding correctly. Anyone know how to fix that offhand? :-) |
| 23:39.31 | foxlit | Call Tooltip:Show() again |
| 23:41.37 | Codayus | foxlit: Hmmm...that...seems to work. Thanks. |
| 23:45.21 | foxlit | Anyone knows if IDs change immediately after calling SwapRaidSubgroup or after some time? |
| 23:46.21 | foxlit | [Or remember the addon that could save and restore raid layouts?] |
| 23:46.28 | Industrial | haste: ping |
| 23:46.34 | haste | Industrial: pong |
| 23:46.43 | Industrial | haste: wow |
| 23:46.43 | Industrial | :D |
| 23:46.45 | haste | I reloaded my UI just as I noticed that I got a tell :D |
| 23:48.38 | foxlit | [Ding, correct answer was Raid Restore] |
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| 23:50.53 | Cide | foxlit: after some time |
| 23:52.07 | Cide | haven't tested it explicitly, but I'm almost positive |
| 23:52.18 | foxlit | SwapRaidSubgroup(1,5); SwapRaidSubgroup(5,6); |
| 23:52.23 | foxlit | Would 1 end up in 6? |
| 23:52.58 | foxlit | Meh, I need a SwapRaidSubgroupByName() |
| 23:53.07 | nevcairiel | write it :) |
| 23:53.36 | foxlit | I don't know what is authorative, though, and when it stops being authoritive. |
| 23:55.02 | foxlit | Is GetRaidRosterInfo() more up-to-date with the server than my local indicies if I don't wait for it to update? |
| 23:57.01 | nevcairiel | i would expect GetRaidRosterInfo to be always up to date, but who knows |
