irclog2html for #wowi-lounge on 20070102

`00:00.35`	`foxlit`	`Removing global LFG was a pretty good way to force people to use that UI, which is probably the only point I'm trying to make :)`
`00:01.08`	`foxlit`	`They should do away with Trade too, in favor of some sort of virtual marketplace :P`
`00:01.15`	`Corrodias`	`i agree with you on the first statement.`
`00:01.21`	`End`	`you mean like the AH?`
`00:01.24`	`End`	`;p`
`00:01.30`	`foxlit`	`AH is one way :P`
`00:01.39`	`Corrodias`	`he wants a second auction house.`
`00:01.41`	`End`	`although, the AH isn't always the best way`
`00:01.50`	`foxlit`	`Wouldn't mind reverse-auctions too`
`00:02.00`	`Corrodias`	`"wtb"?`
`00:02.14`	`End`	`that'd be useful`
`00:02.19`	`foxlit`	`That'd be downright cool.`
`00:03.04`	`foxlit`	`(useful for guilds too)`
`00:04.54`	`End`	`yeah`
`00:10.06`	`TonyD`	`what is this heroic dungeon thing?`
`00:10.39`	`Mery`	`once you hit level 70 and a certain faction level you can revisit the instances with harder mobs and better loot`
`00:10.53`	`Mery`	`(not sure if level 70 is required though)`
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`00:17.56`	`cladhaire`	`http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4673`
`00:18.35`	`Corrodias`	`jigga wha? a release? unbelievable`
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`00:22.33`	`Corrodias`	`wow, a configuration UI!`
`00:22.38`	`cladhaire`	`aye`
`00:22.40`	`cladhaire`	`an ugly one =)`
`00:22.44`	`cladhaire`	`but the buff editor rocks my socks`
`00:23.35`	`Corrodias`	`does it have a backdrop? paws cladhaire`
`00:23.36`	`cladhaire`	`so, can i go eat now?`
`00:23.38`	`cladhaire`	`perhaps sleep?`
`00:23.42`	`cladhaire`	`Corrodias: Not yet.`
`00:23.48`	`Corrodias`	`BACK TO THE DUNGEONS!`
`00:23.48`	`cladhaire`	`i can probably put one in the hacks tab`
`00:23.52`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`sleep? You can sleep on Jan 17th`
`00:23.55`	`Corrodias`	`just kidding, i can wait ;o`
`00:23.55`	`cladhaire`	`i'll have to work out how best to do that.`
`00:24.09`	`cladhaire`	`hrm, let me look`
`00:24.30`	`Mery`	`I just like that response:`
`00:24.32`	`Mery`	`~sleep`
`00:24.34`	`purl`	`i guess sleep is overrated, and a poor substitute for caffeine.`
`00:25.06`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`sleep is for people who just can't handle their blender turning into an attack penguin`
`00:27.14`	`Nom-`	`heh my server has fallen over completely`
`00:28.15`	`Mery`	`Good night.`
`00:28.16`	`Nom-`	`yah, the new praid is sexah`
`00:29.10`	`Corrodias`	`clad is sexah`
`00:29.26`	`Nom-`	`when my server loads again, i'll see if it's working with clique`
`00:29.29`	`Nom-`	`coz i never tested that lol`
`00:29.36`	`cladhaire`	`it is`
`00:29.36`	`cladhaire`	`lol`
`00:29.39`	`cladhaire`	`cmon now`
`00:29.44`	`Nom-`	`:)`
`00:30.15`	`Nom-`	`I'm sure it would, but i had to disable it for testing lol`
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`00:39.01`	`Shane__`	`If I have a variable that is 44.012345689 what would be the syntax to string convert it to 44 in lua?`
`00:39.15`	`cladhaire`	`math.floor() in this case`
`00:39.26`	`foxlit\|zzz`	`%d`
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`00:40.01`	`hobinheim`	`i'm sad panda... i have an idea for a mod, but i get confused about the UI part of the code. is there like an adopt a noob foundation or something...`
`00:40.02`	`foxlit\|zzz`	`string.format("Pi is %d", math.pi);`
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`00:42.16`	`Shane__`	`PlayerHealthPercent = string.format(PlayerHealthPercent, %d);`
`00:42.17`	`Shane__`	`like that?`
`00:42.43`	`Shane__`	`or PlayerHealthPercent is %d, math.pi`
`00:42.52`	`hobinheim`	`uhh`
`00:42.54`	`cladhaire`	`Corrodias: Backdrop will be on the hacks tab`
`00:42.56`	`cladhaire`	`just uploaded.`
`00:43.08`	`hobinheim`	`string.format("%d", PlayerHealthPercent)`
`00:43.34`	`Corrodias`	`dirty dirty hacks`
`00:43.46`	`Corrodias`	`"add backdrop" is right next to "infinite gold"!`
`00:44.13`	`Corrodias`	`thanks for thinking of us!`
`00:44.23`	`ckknight`	`("%.0f%%"):format(PlayerHealthPercent)`
`00:44.55`	`cladhaire`	`now i'm going out to dinner.. cause i deserve it`
`00:44.58`	`cladhaire`	`pffft`
`00:46.54`	`Shane__`	`thanks hob, local PlayerHealthPercent = string.format("%d", PlayerHealthPercent); works`
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`00:51.18`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`clad broke the interweb!`
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`00:51.21`	`clad\|away`	`nod`
`00:51.21`	`clad\|away`	`its true.`
`00:51.21`	`clad\|away`	`i dont want any more emails =)`
`00:52.49`	`Corrodias`	`people email you?`
`00:53.03`	`clad\|away`	`...`
`00:53.05`	`clad\|away`	`you have no idea`
`00:53.06`	`clad\|away`	`hate mail`
`00:53.14`	`clad\|away`	`"zomg finish perfect raid i hate you" mail`
`00:53.21`	`clad\|away`	`the occasional offer for sexual favors.`
`00:53.26`	`hobinheim`	`is there.... an interface thing where you can... drag rows up and down and resort them?`
`00:53.27`	`Corrodias`	`well, you know... <3`
`00:53.35`	`hobinheim`	`or an example mod that does this already`
`00:53.45`	`hobinheim`	`as opposed to having Move Up and Move Down buttons on each entry?`
`00:53.46`	`Corrodias`	`rows of what?`
`00:53.54`	`hobinheim`	`rows of... stuff? data? widgets?`
`00:53.54`	`clad\|away`	`hobinheim: AnduinLothar has exactly what you need, actually`
`00:53.56`	`Corrodias`	`entry? o.o`
`00:54.05`	`hobinheim`	`i hate ui dev... i really do...`
`00:54.30`	`hobinheim`	`wai that's the name of an author`
`00:54.34`	`hobinheim`	`what mod am i looking for`
`00:54.35`	`clad\|away`	`hobinheim: talk to AL when he comes in`
`00:55.19`	`hobinheim`	`buh...`
`00:57.47`	`Tain`	`I only get zomg I hate your sexual favors mail`
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`01:07.35`	`hobinheim`	`so, any examples of a mod where you can move stuff up and donw?`
`01:08.26`	`clad\|away`	`I told you, AnduinLothar, when he returns`
`01:08.31`	`clad\|away`	`has code that does exactly that`
`01:09.18`	`hobinheim`	`but i want an oompa loompa now... =(`
`01:19.34`	`Mikma`	`clad\|away: zomg i hate you finish perfectraid or i will hatemail you!`
`01:21.56`	`clad\|away`	`welcome to a hafl hour ago`
`01:23.45`	`Thunder_Child`	`i just scrolled up...why would anyon think that saying "i hate you" would make you want to work more?`
`01:23.54`	`Thunder_Child`	`s/anyon/anyone/`
`01:25.42`	`Thunder_Child`	`did i miss something...does "i hate you" make you work like a speed demon?`
`01:26.03`	`Corrodias`	`some people can't imagine what the results of what they do may be`
`01:26.54`	`Thunder_Child`	`so it seems`
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`01:29.53`	`dukeku`	`do you like debbie gibson`
`01:39.01`	`hobinheim`	`i'm not even sure who debbie gibson is`
`01:39.41`	`Tain`	`I think we're alone now`
`01:40.10`	`Tain`	`Oh no that was Tiffany wasn't it`
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`01:56.52`	`Tain`	`Damn I just tapped into a new hugely underrepresented problem with the Wii.`
`01:57.27`	`Tain`	`The controllers are wireless to the Wii, but if you're using the Wiimote and Nunchuck there's a wire between them.`
`01:57.57`	`Tain`	`A wire that my cat just found irresistable as I was playing.`
`01:58.24`	`kremonte`	`lol Tain, cats are always problematic with wires =P`
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`02:06.45`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`Debbie Gibson was like the 80s version of Brittney Spears, only with more talent and intellect`
`02:07.11`	`Garth\|busy`	`is there a possibility to color my timestamp when my addon puts out a message?`
`02:07.18`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`sure`
`02:08.02`	`Garth\|busy`	`do you now how?`
`02:08.43`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`What color?`
`02:08.59`	`Garth\|busy`	`like i use in my output message ^^`
`02:09.23`	`Garth\|busy`	`http://wow.curse-gaming.com/en/files/details/5682/godlike/`
`02:09.28`	`Garth\|busy`	`ups`
`02:09.32`	`Garth\|busy`	`\|c0000BFFF`
`02:11.14`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`I believe you simply add that text into the begining of the timestamp\`
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`02:11.26`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`Or is another addon doing the timestamp?`
`02:11.33`	`Garth\|busy`	`another`
`02:11.49`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`ahh, then you'd have to hook their function`
`02:11.53`	`Garth\|busy`	`i think CT do this`
`02:11.55`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`and insert the color code`
`02:11.59`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`yes, CTmod does this`
`02:12.09`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`I'd suggest asking Cide how to do it properly`
`02:12.40`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`the other alternative is to hook AddMessage itself, but I'm not sure that would do it`
`02:13.14`	`Cide`	`it would`
`02:13.18`	`Cide`	`since my function is local`
`02:14.41`	`Cide`	`hook it and do message:gsub("^(%[[%d:]%])", "\|c0000BFFF%1\|r")`
`02:15.50`	`Garth\|busy`	`what exactly i have to hook?`
`02:16.24`	`Cide`	`ChatFrame#.AddMessage`
`02:17.45`	`Garth\|busy`	`i havent done it before, can you explain me?`
`02:18.01`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`check the wiki howto`
`02:18.07`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`on howto hook a function`
`02:18.09`	`Kirov`	`Anyone familiar with coroutines?`
`02:18.25`	`Cide`	`local oldAddMessage = ChatFrame1.AddMessage; function ChatFrame1:AddMessage(message, ...) return oldAddMessage(self, message:gsub("^(%[[%d:]%])", "\|c0000BFFF%1\|r"), ...) end`
`02:19.01`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`btw, Cide, if I wanted a good clean example of how to use the addon channel to communicate with other addons, what would I look at?`
`02:19.32`	`Cide`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/API_SendAddonMessage is pretty detailed, Neuro_Medivh`
`02:19.39`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`cool, thx`
`02:19.52`	`Cide`	`no problem :)`
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`02:20.25`	`Gngsk`	`how up to date is the SecureFramesOverview on the wiki?`
`02:21.11`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`so USC wins the Rose Bowl... guess Michigan really wasn't deserving of a rematch with Ohio`
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`02:25.35`	`Mike-N-Go`	`Can someone explain the hooksecurefunc, I know I need to use it for my addon but I am not sure how to use it.`
`02:28.16`	`Garth\|busy`	`hmm cide, this has colored all timestamps in the defaultchatframe white`
`02:29.56`	`Cide`	`get DevTools and check what it printed`
`02:29.59`	`Cide`	`<PROTECTED>`
`02:30.16`	`Garth\|busy`	`i dont understand`
`02:31.18`	`Cide`	`you said it's coloring them all white. you need to figure out why`
`02:31.22`	`clad\|away`	`~devtools`
`02:31.38`	`purl`	`methinks devtools is Iriel's DevTools, a highly useful set of debugging tools for developers on WoW. Found at http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=3999 Why isn't it in the default client yet?, or found at http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?s=&id=5415 for the beta`
`02:31.38`	`Cide`	`<PROTECTED>`
`02:32.30`	`Corrodias`	`uh oh, grammatical inconsistency!`
`02:37.28`	`Garth\|busy`	`hmm, i typ /dtchatevent and nothig happens`
`02:39.41`	`Garth\|busy`	`now it works`
`02:40.30`	`Garth\|busy`	`i now haeve a # symbol between timestamp and chatmessage`
`02:40.59`	`Garth\|busy`	`but its not clickable`
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`02:43.26`	`Cide`	`if it's grey then it wasn't coming from a message that had an event associated to it`
`02:43.27`	`Garth\|busy`	`hmm, in the guild chat i can click the # but in the default chatframe it does not work`
`02:43.53`	`Garth\|busy`	`yes its grey in the default chat frame`
`02:44.17`	`Cide`	`click a message that is white and has a clickable [#]`
`02:44.42`	`Garth\|busy`	`like the say chat?`
`02:45.02`	`Cide`	`like the bug you had where all timestamps were colored white`
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`02:45.34`	`Garth\|busy`	`mom i have to reload`
`02:45.51`	`Corrodias`	`not until you finish your dinner`
`02:46.06`	`Mike-N-Go`	`http://pastey.net/4340 Swatter found blocked actions on AddOn: CT_RaidAssist`
`02:46.28`	`Corrodias`	`have you ever heard of "Progress" as a programming language?`
`02:47.14`	`Kirov`	`Mike-N-Go - you should be able to ignore those with out problem`
`02:47.19`	`Cide`	`what Kirov said`
`02:47.33`	`Corrodias`	`ditto`
`02:47.36`	`Mike-N-Go`	`Just doing my duty in testing :P`
`02:47.53`	`Cide`	`I won't fix them`
`02:47.59`	`Garth\|busy`	`so, i've clicked on the bugged messages and every time it says envent="..."`
`02:48.16`	`Mike-N-Go`	`BTW, swatter found about 30 different things with Raid Assist that are trying to call a protected function.`
`02:48.26`	`Cide`	`that's because they're not bugs`
`02:48.38`	`Corrodias`	`it's intentionally not working, you see`
`02:49.05`	`Cide`	`Garth\|busy: from there you can see why the coloring isn't working`
`02:49.17`	`Cide`	`I don't have time to debug it for you, so you have to do that yourself`
`02:50.04`	`Garth\|busy`	`i think to coloring the timestamps i just cosmetic an i try other things first ^^`
`02:52.02`	`Kirov`	`So ... coroutines anyone?`
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`02:52.31`	`Cide`	`Kirov: haven't used them I'm afraid.. why?`
`02:53.05`	`Kirov`	`cide - getting an odd error, trying to figure out if there's a way to get around it or if I'm abusing coroutines too much`
`02:53.20`	`Garth\|busy`	`so i already have the problem with the localization. in deDE my addon does not work. it will be loaded but no messages on crit does appear`
`02:53.21`	`Cide`	`heh, don't think I'd be of much help then`
`02:53.30`	`Kirov`	`"attempt to yield across metamethod/C-call boundry"`
`02:54.16`	`MentalPower\|Code`	`thats simple`
`02:54.31`	`MentalPower\|Code`	`you can't have a C function in the stack if you want to yield`
`02:55.01`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`yes, cause you can't break the barrier of C... Einstein proved that`
`02:55.40`	`MentalPower\|Code`	`~lart Neuro_Medivh`
`02:55.44`	`Kirov`	`hehe`
`02:56.11`	`Kirov`	`ok, then I guess the question is how would one suggest replicating a table.sort in pure lua?`
`02:56.42`	`MentalPower\|Code`	`O.O`
`02:56.49`	`MentalPower\|Code`	`why would you want that?`
`02:57.04`	`Kirov`	`MentalPower - because sorting 50k items is slow?`
`02:57.21`	`Cide`	`bubble sort is simple to implement`
`02:57.24`	`MentalPower\|Code`	`and making it in pure Lua will make it faster... how exactly?`
`02:57.35`	`Cide`	`I guess he can stop it at will`
`02:57.45`	`Kirov`	`like every 0.1 seconds`
`02:57.52`	`Kirov`	`and span it across frames`
`02:57.59`	`Kirov`	`(screen refreshes)`
`02:59.22`	`Cide`	`Kirov: http://pastey.net/4344`
`02:59.33`	`Cide`	`shouldn't be hard to abstract and use for what you want`
`02:59.43`	`MentalPower\|Code`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bubble_sort`
`03:00.05`	`Cide`	`heh, that implementation is even simpler`
`03:00.15`	`Garth\|busy`	`can anybody tell me how i localize this: http://wowi.pastey.net/4345 for all clients? at this time it works with enUK but with deDE it won't`
`03:02.02`	`Kirov`	`nice`
`03:02.26`	`Cide`	`Garth\|busy: http://wowi.pastey.net/4346`
`03:03.01`	`Garth\|busy`	`an how do i get the correct strings for the language?`
`03:03.08`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`um`
`03:03.09`	`Cide`	`that's your problem :)`
`03:03.13`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`you ask someone to translate for you`
`03:03.19`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`aren't you German?`
`03:03.25`	`Garth\|busy`	`yes i'`
`03:03.33`	`Garth\|busy`	`i'm but i play on enUK`
`03:03.33`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`well, then you can translate them for yourself =)`
`03:03.41`	`Garth\|busy`	`because the german blizz games suck ^^`
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`03:03.57`	`Cide`	`easier to ask someone who has the game in german for exact strings`
`03:04.05`	`Cide`	`or just open up your favorite combat log parser addon`
`03:05.05`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`Garth, you're parsing the chatlog I take it?`
`03:05.20`	`Garth\|busy`	`what? i dont understand`
`03:05.32`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`You are looking for those strings in the chat log`
`03:05.35`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`yes?`
`03:05.41`	`Garth\|busy`	`yes`
`03:05.47`	`Garth\|busy`	`in combatlog`
`03:06.22`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`Then instead of making your own localization, use Blizzard's`
`03:06.37`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`if it's in the combatlog, Blizzard already localized it`
`03:06.38`	`Garth\|busy`	`and how? ^^ i'm a noob ^^`
`03:07.17`	`Corrodias`	`fortunately for you, people here tend to be helpful`
`03:07.48`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`nm, Garth, that won't work`
`03:07.53`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`you'll have to localize it yourself`
`03:08.37`	`Garth\|busy`	`i've done it, but it won'T work with the only translation, there must be something else`
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`03:09.23`	`Garth\|busy`	`i've tried to translate "Your (.+) crits (.+) for (%d+)" into " (.+) trifft (.+) krittisch: f�r (%d+)"`
`03:09.36`	`Garth\|busy`	`that wont work`
`03:09.43`	`Kirov`	`Garth\|busy - You could use something like ParserLib`
`03:09.52`	`Corrodias`	`NOOOO libraries are evil!`
`03:09.57`	`Corrodias`	`just kidding ;D`
`03:10.29`	`Gnarfoz_`	`obviously it won't, that pattern is wrong`
`03:10.30`	`Garth\|busy`	`i've to ask some german coders i thin`
`03:11.40`	`Corrodias`	`or release english-only and tell your users that if they want german versions, they'd better tell you some german strings :)`
`03:11.52`	`Corrodias`	`albiet more nicely`
`03:11.59`	`Garth\|busy`	`hehe or they have to play en version ^^`
`03:13.32`	`Gnarfoz_`	`that'd be the best for them, anyway`
`03:13.44`	`Gnarfoz_`	`crazy localisation :o`
`03:13.45`	`Garth\|busy`	`i actually do not understand how someone could play a blizz game in german localization. the translation is quiet terrible`
`03:13.51`	`Gngsk`	`isn't there some kind of library that already does that kinda thing for you? Deformat maybe?`
`03:14.04`	`Gnarfoz_`	`Parserlib does it`
`03:14.07`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`Englisch �ber alles!`
`03:14.13`	`Gnarfoz_`	`as someone already said`
`03:14.26`	`Garth\|busy`	`lol ja genau ^^`
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`03:16.35`	`Garth\|busy`	`okay, its time for me to go to bed. (its 04:17) i'll be back later, bye guys`
`03:18.26`	`MentalPower\|Code`	`zil;fjkl;sdkfjl;askguio;!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!`
`03:18.39`	`MentalPower\|Code`	`Why is it so hard to do a string.format in friggin Java!!`
`03:19.24`	`Iriel`	`MentalPower\|Code: Perhaps you're trying the wrong way??`
`03:19.52`	`MentalPower\|Code`	`String fooBar = Formatter("SomeTest %s, %s", fooBar2);`
`03:20.02`	`MentalPower\|Code`	`bah, wrong example`
`03:20.11`	`Iriel`	`Are you in 1.3? 1.4? or 1.5?`
`03:20.52`	`MentalPower\|Code`	`orignally 1.5, but I just switched to 6.0 to check if it was the compiler`
`03:21.30`	`Iriel`	`I used java.text.MessageFormat last time I had to do that kind of thing, but that was in 1.4`
`03:22.28`	`Corrodias`	`it does look pretty complex`
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`03:24.21`	`MentalPower\|Code`	`The method MessageFormat(String, String, String) is undefined for the type CountDownClockCountDownCountDownClock.javaline 411167708233984125`
`03:24.37`	`MentalPower\|Code`	`CountDownClock is the name of my program/class`
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`03:26.40`	`Gnarfoz_`	`Tem: would you mind if I took the 'get all the tracking spells and make buttons that cast those spells out of them and make a window with those buttons' code from FinderReminder to use in an addon that shows the current tracking on fubar?`
`03:27.06`	`Tem`	`What version are you looking at?`
`03:27.14`	`alcaras`	`hehe overpowered wand: http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/2019/wowscrnshot010107222629xa6.jpg`
`03:27.16`	`Tem`	`it's pretty much a loop`
`03:27.24`	`Iriel`	`mentalpower: I dont think it knows how to support generic objects, I think it expects you to call .toString() on your object`
`03:27.57`	`MentalPower\|Code`	`I'm calling it with literals, it shoudn't matter`
`03:28.01`	`Iriel`	`Actually, I take that back, it knows how to call toString itself`
`03:28.22`	`Iriel`	`Can you paste the line that's failing?`
`03:28.36`	`MentalPower\|Code`	`String fooBar = Formatter("SomeTest %s, %s", "One", "Two");`
`03:28.41`	`Gnarfoz_`	`Tem: err, the most current one. it just look likes quite a bit of stuff (or: like it is most of the meat of the code of FR), so I thought I'd ask before using it in another addon`
`03:29.05`	`Iriel`	`Shouldn't that be Formatter.format("SomeTest %s, %s", "One", "Two")`
`03:29.29`	`Tem`	`Gnarfoz_, are you talking about the secure template stuff?`
`03:29.34`	`Gnarfoz_`	`yes`
`03:30.37`	`Tem`	`oh`
`03:30.49`	`Tem`	`The psudo class stuff`
`03:31.06`	`Tem`	`pseudo*`
`03:31.09`	`Gnarfoz_`	`yeah, that and essentially the stuff that makes a window with clickable buttons out of it`
`03:31.10`	`Iriel`	`mentalpower: Actually, ir'd be formatter.format, where formatter was one you created earlier.`
`03:31.15`	`Tem`	`but yeah, go for it`
`03:31.28`	`Gnarfoz_`	`great`
`03:31.46`	`Gnarfoz_`	`no easy way to make a fubar plugin able to cast something, after 2.0`
`03:32.07`	`Gnarfoz_`	`so making it call a pop-up window like that seems the reasonable choice`
`03:32.16`	`Corrodias`	`we're still waiting for TransporterFu :(`
`03:32.42`	`Gnarfoz_`	`what does that do?`
`03:32.57`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`I assume it's a drop down menu for transports for mages`
`03:33.16`	`Corrodias`	`the tooltip provides a list of portal spells, teleport spells, hearthstones, and whatever else you have, which are clickable to cast`
`03:33.25`	`Gnarfoz_`	`oh`
`03:33.41`	`Corrodias`	`also you can click the text on the fubar itself to use the currently selected "default" one`
`03:33.43`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`This game needs one-shot hearthstones`
`03:33.57`	`Corrodias`	`hell yes`
`03:34.21`	`Corrodias`	`you could just buy a few Kargath stones -.-`
`03:34.25`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`like, 5g, Unique, same timer as your normal hearthstone, but it takes you to a specific town`
`03:34.38`	`Gnarfoz_`	`-> Suggestions Forum`
`03:34.39`	`Gnarfoz_`	`:P`
`03:34.46`	`Corrodias`	`not 5g. i would never use them, then.`
`03:34.48`	`Gnarfoz_`	`oh wait. US account required >_>`
`03:35.03`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`Corrodias, you have to make them somewhat expensive`
`03:35.28`	`Corrodias`	`well, i suppose, the point of making people physically travel is to waste their time so they play longer`
`03:35.42`	`Gnarfoz_`	`kind of obvious`
`03:35.43`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`actually no`
`03:35.48`	`Corrodias`	`actually stfu i'm right`
`03:35.54`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`NO`
`03:35.57`	`Gnarfoz_`	`makes the world feel bigger`
`03:36.07`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`they don't want you playing longer`
`03:36.12`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`they want you subscribing longer`
`03:36.17`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`big difference =)`
`03:36.18`	`Tain`	`Stick your fingers in your ears and yell, "La la la la!"`
`03:36.34`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`they'd be happiest if you paid your 15 bucks a month and never logged in at all`
`03:36.46`	`Corrodias`	`kinda like what i've done for the last month >_>`
`03:37.17`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`Why do you think they support UI addon makers so much? They spend all their time making addons instead of playing the game =)`
`03:37.29`	`Tain`	`I just read where someone posted an email they got that their account was closed for inappropriate access or something like that. On an account that the person said they used the trial, almost a year ago, never renewed, and never logged in after the trial.`
`03:38.02`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`"Ok, so, if we just give them a little support, they'll not only stop logging in, but they'll actually code UI improvements for the game? At no charge? OK!"`
`03:38.07`	`Tain`	`Just seems like an odd thing to happen.`
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`03:52.14`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`lol... http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070101/ap_on_fe_st/mannequin_fetish`
`03:52.16`	`MentalPower\|Code`	`Iriel: thanks, that worked, but what a waste of objects`
`03:52.53`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`mannequins scare me`
`03:52.57`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`damn you silent hill`
`03:52.59`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`damn you`
`03:53.30`	`Iriel`	`mentalpower: well, create a single formatter to use and then you dont have to create lots of objects`
`03:53.31`	`Iriel`	`mentalpower`
`03:53.50`	`Iriel`	`mentalpower: Do note that java's very efficient about short-lived objects due to the way it's GC works`
`03:54.10`	`MentalPower\|Code`	`ah, ok`
`03:55.04`	`Fisker-`	`kinda stupid Neuro_Medivh`
`03:55.25`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`that's why it's funny`
`03:55.26`	`Fisker-`	`"So someone reported a Mannequin stolen? Well lets check the ONLY guy known to steal it"`
`03:56.24`	`Fisker-`	`I'd definately go to prison for life for that`
`03:56.43`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`I imagine the guy saw Mannequin one too many times, and now keeps expecting Kim Catrell to pop up`
`03:57.05`	`Fisker-`	`I'd opt for a death penalty though`
`03:57.13`	`Fisker-`	`Unless they provide some mannequins during jail time`
`04:03.03`	`Guillotine`	`wow, that is... interesting`
`04:08.43`	`Guillotine`	`ZOMG PRaid!!!!`
`04:09.53`	`Qshadowp`	`uhh, this is starting to annoy me :p`
`04:10.01`	`Qshadowp`	`i keep on getting these crazy 1fps lag streaks`
`04:10.15`	`Qshadowp`	`and according to fubar my increaseing rate is -1000 ish`
`04:10.22`	`Qshadowp`	`yes, thats minus 1000 ... :S`
`04:10.41`	`Qshadowp`	`lag goes after about a minute, increaseing rate returns to about 100`
`04:12.06`	`Qshadowp`	`Guillotine http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/538/pyircif6.jpg`
`04:12.42`	`Guillotine`	`Qshadowp: :D`
`04:12.44`	`Guillotine`	`I have a working one too`
`04:12.51`	`Qshadowp`	`hax`
`04:13.02`	`Qshadowp`	`my one doesn't exactly work properly though`
`04:13.10`	`Guillotine`	`though I havn't figured out how to multi-thread so that I can both send messages and do the normal stuff`
`04:13.14`	`Guillotine`	`its mostly just automated`
`04:13.17`	`Qshadowp`	`Guillotine how did you get passed the problem that you cant socket listen and send messages at the same time`
`04:13.20`	`Qshadowp`	`haha`
`04:13.23`	`Guillotine`	`haha, same thing`
`04:13.30`	`Guillotine`	`but it works automated`
`04:13.33`	`Qshadowp`	`my one sorta works`
`04:13.39`	`Qshadowp`	`it waits for a input, then checks for data`
`04:13.44`	`Qshadowp`	`waits for a input, then checks for data`
`04:13.50`	`Qshadowp`	`so if you don't type for a while you'll timeout XD`
`04:13.54`	`Guillotine`	`Qshadowp: I think we need multi-threading, but I havn't found a good explanation of how to use that module`
`04:14.18`	`Qshadowp`	`cool :P`
`04:14.19`	`Guillotine`	`ah, mine just has a simple queue so it responds instantly`
`04:14.33`	`Qshadowp`	`ahh :P`
`04:14.35`	`Qshadowp`	`i wrote a mathbot too`
`04:14.43`	`Qshadowp`	`http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/5879/pythonmathbottg5.jpg`
`04:15.11`	`MentalPower\|Code`	`Iriel: how do I initialize a long in Java "long time = 1167711036531;" is throwing a "The literal 1167711036531 of type int is out of range"`
`04:15.29`	`Iriel`	`Err, can you stick an L at the end of that? (C style?)`
`04:15.42`	`Iriel`	`(I'll have to look it up, I dont do it very often)`
`04:16.25`	`Qshadowp`	`Guillotine i found this http://www.devshed.com/c/a/Python/Basic-Threading-in-Python/ and i've read guides from that site before and there generally good`
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`04:16.29`	`Arsonide`	`Exactly how does auctioneer work?`
`04:17.00`	`Arsonide`	`I'm attempting to use it by searching for profitable auctions, where I can buy low and sell at average price for 1-2 gold profit, but I think I'm actually losing money.`
`04:17.02`	`clad\|away`	`it charms satan's minons to do your bidding`
`04:17.21`	`TML`	`Arsonide: BottomFeeder is probably better for that`
`04:17.42`	`Arsonide`	`Nothing displays in the bottomfeeder scan`
`04:17.43`	`Qshadowp`	`Arsonide yes you probably are, auctioneer doesn't account for action house scammers.`
`04:17.57`	`TML`	`Arsonide: You need to make sure that the price differential is enough to cover re-listing and the AH, as well.`
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`04:19.07`	`MentalPower\|Code`	`Arsonide: #Norganna might be able to better help you`
`04:19.58`	`Arsonide`	`#norganna`
`04:19.59`	`Arsonide`	`er`
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`04:26.22`	`Gnarfoz_`	`Arsonide: are you using /auctioneer bidbroker or broker?`
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`04:52.28`	`Qshadowp`	`damit, wows doing it again`
`04:52.34`	`Qshadowp`	`-1.6k increaseing rate`
`04:54.16`	`ckknight`	`Qshadowp: that's a good thing.`
`04:54.24`	`ckknight`	`it means you're in a collection cycle.`
`04:54.31`	`Qshadowp`	`ckknight it isn't when it causes me to go to 1fps :(`
`04:54.43`	`ckknight`	`oh`
`04:54.44`	`ckknight`	`um`
`04:54.48`	`Qshadowp`	`and it does it at the most annoying times`
`04:54.55`	`ckknight`	`<PROTECTED>`
`04:55.12`	`Qshadowp`	`any way to switch the thing off so it doesn't do it automatically?`
`04:55.25`	`Qshadowp`	`and it just reminds me to do it every now and again? so i can do it when im not in the middle of a fight ._.`
`04:55.38`	`MentalPower\|Code`	`--/script collectgarbage("collect")`
`04:55.39`	`ckknight`	`Qshadowp: yea, it's something like /script collectgarbage('step', 0)`
`04:55.47`	`Qshadowp`	`cool`
`04:56.01`	`Qshadowp`	`ckknight the collect garbage thing is to just stop it from useing too much memory right?`
`04:56.21`	`ckknight`	`well, you can alter the stepsize to turn off incremental GC`
`04:56.32`	`ckknight`	`and then collect manually when you feel like it.`
`04:58.02`	`Qshadowp`	`cool :)`
`04:58.24`	`Gnarfoz_`	`or something is causing a gc by choice`
`04:58.29`	`Gnarfoz_`	`(not your choice, obviously)`
`04:58.37`	`Qshadowp`	`heh, maybe`
`04:58.45`	`Qshadowp`	`but i doubt a addon would have any reason to trigger gc`
`04:59.56`	`MentalPower\|Code`	`Auctioneer triggers GC when it loads and also when it finishes a scan`
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`05:00.33`	`ckknight`	`if you don't GC, then you'll get a giant freeze at some point when it GCs for you`
`05:00.37`	`ckknight`	`like how WoW 1.12 did`
`05:00.49`	`Gnarfoz_`	`that sounds like what he's experiencing though`
`05:00.51`	`Qshadowp`	`ckknight when its out of memory?`
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`05:02.01`	`ckknight`	`yes`
`05:02.26`	`Qshadowp`	`well i have a little gadget on my keyboard that watches my memory usage, never seen it above 60% with wow`
`05:02.33`	`Qshadowp`	`so meh, when it starts to get high i'll do a GC`
`05:02.37`	`Qshadowp`	`simple solution :D`
`05:04.32`	`MentalPower\|Code`	`WoW UI Memory usage ~= System Memory Usage`
`05:04.41`	`Corrodias`	`eh?`
`05:05.02`	`Corrodias`	`as far as i'm aware, my game takes way more than just the UI in memory`
`05:05.16`	`MentalPower\|Code`	`exactly my point`
`05:05.19`	`Corrodias`	`wait, you're using Lua notation, aren't you?`
`05:05.31`	`Corrodias`	`damn Lua doing things differently just because it can`
`05:05.59`	`MentalPower\|Code`	`this is a Lua channel is it not?`
`05:06.11`	`Corrodias`	`somewhat`
`05:06.25`	`Corrodias`	`that doesn't mean i can't dislike the differences`
`05:07.18`	`MentalPower\|Code`	`:P`
`05:09.12`	`Gnarfoz_`	`and Qshadowp is right`
`05:09.18`	`Gnarfoz_`	`he can just set the UI mem limit to unlimited`
`05:09.32`	`Gnarfoz_`	`and he'll be fine, although he won't notice memory leaks as fast ;D`
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`05:51.15`	`Tem`	`hahaaa!`
`05:51.21`	`Tem`	`boise state won`
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`05:51.44`	`cladhaire`	`hehe, who were they playing?`
`05:51.44`	`Tem`	`eat it bob stoops`
`05:51.48`	`Tem`	`OU`
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`05:51.58`	`Tem`	`I /hate/ bob stoops`
`05:52.09`	`Tem`	`(he's the OU head coach)`
`05:52.20`	`cladhaire`	`hehe =)`
`05:52.24`	`cladhaire`	`see, we suck`
`05:52.28`	`cladhaire`	`so we don't get fired up abotu football =)`
`05:52.31`	`Tem`	`they went into OT`
`05:52.43`	`Tem`	`OU got a TD`
`05:52.54`	`Tem`	`boise answered by getting a TD and going for 2`
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`06:03.13`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`That was an AMAZING game`
`06:03.59`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`Razzle Dazzle + Statue of Liberty... you just don't see those in NFL anymore`
`06:06.56`	`Tem`	`I hate the NFL`
`06:07.01`	`Tem`	`they're too.. good`
`06:08.19`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`well, a few teams are willing to take risks... I saw Michael Vick do it vs Dallas`
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`06:18.24`	`cladhaire`	`So, where did Shadowstep go`
`06:18.28`	`cladhaire`	`are rogues getting it back?`
`06:18.42`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Trainable at . . . some level.`
`06:18.49`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`instead of a talent.`
`06:18.55`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`67? I think.`
`06:18.59`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`I forget the specifics.`
`06:19.37`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`or am I entirely confusing it with another ability?`
`06:19.40`	`Tem`	`wait... what?`
`06:19.41`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`That's a possibility.`
`06:20.05`	`Tem`	`I thought shadowstep was the 41pt sub talent`
`06:20.21`	`cladhaire`	`no, its Cloak of Shadows now.`
`06:20.23`	`cladhaire`	`but`
`06:20.26`	`Tem`	`the old 41pt sub talent was cloak of shadows`
`06:20.27`	`cladhaire`	`that's getting trainable at some level.`
`06:20.29`	`cladhaire`	`ok`
`06:20.30`	`cladhaire`	`good`
`06:20.32`	`Tem`	`they removed that and made it trainable`
`06:20.34`	`cladhaire`	`just making sure =)`
`06:20.40`	`Tem`	`I dunno what it is on live`
`06:20.45`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`oh, right, that's what I was thinking of then.`
`06:20.51`	`cladhaire`	`on live its cloak of shadows at 41 =)`
`06:20.51`	`Tem`	`but that's what I last heard in beta`
`06:20.58`	`cladhaire`	`wasn't sure if they reverted or what`
`06:21.03`	`cladhaire`	`i'll check my rogue`
`06:21.04`	`cladhaire`	`how novel`
`06:21.21`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`pardon my confusion . . . I'm running on entirely too little sleep, and too much caffeine and champagne.`
`06:23.41`	`cladhaire`	`woot, yay for shadowstep`
`06:26.07`	`Tem`	`hehe`
`06:26.16`	`Tem`	`Shadowstep is stupidly good`
`06:26.34`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`yeah... another reason being a mage in pvp is horrid`
`06:28.48`	`kergoth`	`hehe, fun`
`06:32.20`	`Tem`	`Shadowstep + prep = dead mage`
`06:32.39`	`Tem`	`sure it's a lot of cooldowns, but it sucks to be faced with`
`06:34.55`	`haste`	`they can't blink out of sap can they?`
`06:36.40`	`Tem`	`nope`
`06:38.57`	`cladhaire`	`Holy crap.`
`06:39.08`	`cladhaire`	`The rogue combat tree is perfect`
`06:39.12`	`cladhaire`	`i put 41 points in`
`06:39.16`	`cladhaire`	`and didnt miss anything.`
`06:41.33`	`haste`	`I miss weapon skill from 1.12 :(`
`06:45.10`	`Tem`	`I heart sublty`
`06:46.27`	`Tem`	`damnit what's the right way to spell that?`
`06:46.49`	`cladhaire`	`sublety`
`06:46.59`	`cladhaire`	`no i lied`
`06:47.01`	`cladhaire`	`Subtlety`
`06:47.09`	`kergoth`	`not much of a fan of the new combat tree myself, though i was almost entirely combat prior to 2.0. going mutilate when tbc hits`
`06:47.10`	`Tem`	`ah there you go`
`06:48.37`	`Tem`	`I'm not a big fan of prep, but the rest of sub is awesome`
`06:49.02`	`clad\|sleep`	`i dont like the prep/cold snap talents.`
`06:50.46`	`kergoth`	`400 - File not found!`
`06:50.46`	`kergoth`	`72.201.14.205`
`06:50.53`	`kergoth`	`trying to update an addon on wowi :\|`
`06:51.56`	`clad\|sleep`	`which addon kergoth ?`
`06:51.58`	`Cairenn`	`which one kergoth?`
`06:52.35`	`kergoth`	`trying to upload a new version of kEnergy, my little energy ticker`
`06:52.46`	`Fisker-`	`preperation should be removed`
`06:52.51`	`Cairenn`	`link works fine for me: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info6422-kEnergy.html`
`06:53.01`	`kergoth`	`i can go to it fine`
`06:53.03`	`kergoth`	`i just cant edit it.`
`06:53.12`	`kergoth`	`i get the above error when i click the update addon button`
`06:53.13`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`logged in?`
`06:53.17`	`kergoth`	`yes.`
`06:53.27`	`kergoth`	`hrm`
`06:53.30`	`Cairenn`	`weird, I can hit the edit option and it pops right up for me`
`06:53.36`	`kergoth`	`so can i`
`06:53.40`	`kergoth`	`i cant get past the edit page`
`06:53.48`	`kergoth`	`as soon as i click "update file"`
`06:53.51`	`kergoth`	`i get the 400`
`06:54.09`	`Cairenn`	`did you change the version number?`
`06:54.14`	`kergoth`	`yep`
`06:54.17`	`Cairenn`	`(although that shouldn't cause it)`
`06:54.23`	`Cairenn`	`Dolby-wowi: ping? you around?`
`06:54.46`	`kergoth`	`maybe i'm doing something wrong, i'll make sure the file i'm trying to upload is fine (perms and all)`
`06:57.32`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`whoa`
`06:57.36`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`crackelf model @_@`
`06:57.44`	`Cairenn`	`?`
`06:57.50`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`it's like an undead body with a high elf head`
`07:01.24`	`Cairenn`	`kergoth: any luck?`
`07:02.54`	`kergoth`	`Cairenn, nope. perms are fine, dunno what else would cause it`
`07:03.03`	`Cairenn`	`weird`
`07:03.23`	`Cairenn`	`can you try emailing me the file and I'll see if I can edit the upload?`
`07:03.29`	`Cairenn`	`cairenn@wowinterface.com`
`07:05.54`	`Tem`	`night folks`
`07:05.57`	`kergoth`	`Cairenn, okay, sent. thanks for looking into it.`
`07:06.00`	`kergoth`	`night tem`
`07:10.16`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i have video proof of maiev dancing like a stripper`
`07:12.23`	`clad\|sleep`	`so those who have seen the nasty orange praid gui..`
`07:12.28`	`clad\|sleep`	`what color would make your eyes bleed less?`
`07:12.58`	`clad\|sleep`	`so i can ponder it while i'm sleeping`
`07:13.09`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i'm a big fan of neon green text on a hot pink background`
`07:13.17`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`9,13LIKE THIS`
`07:13.20`	`clad\|sleep`	`i'm partial too.. tbh`
`07:13.22`	`clad\|sleep`	`okay`
`07:13.25`	`clad\|sleep`	`the fact that you had that ready`
`07:13.27`	`clad\|sleep`	`lil weird`
`07:13.34`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`what`
`07:13.47`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`just gotta hit ctrl k and then 5,13`
`07:13.59`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`I'm fondish of green tones.`
`07:14.28`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`oh god`
`07:14.36`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`there's a racoon model in the files`
`07:14.39`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`but it's not animated`
`07:14.48`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`but it's attached to a bone for some other model so it's just like rocking around`
`07:15.18`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`looks like a cat modek`
`07:15.19`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`model`
`07:15.56`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`oh man rexxar has a new model in 2.0.3`
`07:24.56`	`haste`	`Mr_Rabies2: Regarding the green text on a hot ping background, it only makes me think about: PENIS`
`07:25.03`	`Cairenn`	`kergoth: you still here?`
`07:25.12`	`haste`	`(I'm not sure you understood the point in that one, but at least someone here should :)`
`07:25.30`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`what`
`07:25.39`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`oh`
`07:25.53`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`>:3`
`07:26.02`	`kergoth`	`for some values of "here", yes`
`07:26.17`	`Cairenn`	`kergoth: I numbered it version 0.5 (since that was what you had the folder as), and was able to edit the upload and replace the file np`
`07:26.28`	`Cairenn`	`not sure why you were having problems =/`
`07:26.33`	`kergoth`	`weird, i set it to 0.5 too`
`07:26.48`	`kergoth`	`ah well`
`07:26.52`	`Cairenn`	`not sure why it wouldn't work for you`
`07:27.02`	`kergoth`	`i blame murphy`
`07:27.13`	`Cairenn`	`if it happens again, let us know again, I'll bug Dolby to track it down`
`07:27.17`	`kergoth`	`will do`
`07:48.28`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`doesnt look like the emerald dream has been worked on for bc :[`
`07:48.32`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i hope they don't scrap it altogether`
`07:52.14`	`kergoth`	`Cairenn, kEnergy still has a 0.4 zip for download, though the version is 0.5`
`07:52.19`	`kergoth`	`Cairenn, new zip isnt available`
`07:52.24`	`kergoth`	`cant upload it, still getting that error`
`07:53.29`	`Cairenn`	`that's odd`
`07:53.58`	`Cairenn`	`if you scroll down though, the .5 version is avail`
`07:54.13`	`kergoth`	`no`
`07:54.16`	`kergoth`	`it says version: 0.5`
`07:54.22`	`kergoth`	`but the zip it gives you is kenergy-0.4.zip`
`07:54.25`	`kergoth`	`not the new file.`
`07:54.37`	`kergoth`	`you change the version field, but the new file isnt available, afaict`
`07:54.38`	`Cairenn`	`hrm, yeah`
`07:54.41`	`Cairenn`	`nod`
`07:54.57`	`Cairenn`	`that's really odd`
`07:55.12`	`Cairenn`	`need Dolby-wowi to figure out what's going on =/`
`07:57.04`	`Guillotine`	`its the Y2K7 bug`
`07:57.17`	`Guillotine`	`either that or the Y2K bug just appeared 7 years late`
`07:57.25`	`Guillotine`	`anyway, I'm off to bed. gn all :)`
`07:57.30`	`kergoth`	`night`
`07:57.56`	`Cairenn`	`weird weird weird`
`07:58.40`	`Cairenn`	`well, I've put the version number back to .4 for now`
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`07:58.58`	`kergoth`	`cool, thanks again for looking into it`
`07:59.00`	`Cairenn`	`tried updating it a second time using admin permissions, still getting .4`
`07:59.07`	`Cairenn`	`weird`
`07:59.28`	`Cairenn`	`technology is a wonderful thing .... when it works ... other times, it's just frustrating :p`
`08:03.03`	`kergoth`	`"I have long been of the opinion that if work were such a splendid thing the rich would have kept more of it for themselves."`
`08:03.11`	`Cairenn`	`heh`
`08:08.06`	`amro`	`morning`
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`08:08.37`	`s\|loup`	`morning and a happy new year`
`08:08.50`	`Cairenn`	`hey s\|loup and amro :)`
`08:11.09`	`Kirov`	`Anyone on the beta who've been looking at item strings?`
`08:20.47`	`Shane__`	`can you do something like "if i > (60 + PBCFG["NUMPLBTNS"]) or HasAction(+i) == nil then" in lua?`
`08:21.06`	`Shane__`	`i.e. and/or conditions in as part of an "if"`
`08:22.17`	`amro`	`yes`
`08:22.35`	`Shane__`	`and/or as used in the above example is valid?`
`08:23.03`	`Shane__`	`hmm wonder what is causing this error then`
`08:23.16`	`amro`	`what error?`
`08:23.42`	`pastamancer`	`Shane__: that looks valid`
`08:24.16`	`pastamancer`	`HasAction(+i) looks a bit strange though`
`08:24.35`	`haste`	`that will error`
`08:24.37`	`amro`	`+i, why is that?`
`08:24.41`	`Shane__`	`"if i > (60 + PBCFG["NUMPLBTNS"]) or HasAction(+i) == nil" then is giving me a unexpected symbol near +`
`08:24.55`	`amro`	`yeah i wasn't paying a ttention... you can't have that + in ther`
`08:25.10`	`Shane__`	`oh woops I meant to take that out`
`08:25.14`	`Shane__`	`it was 60+i before`
`08:25.15`	`Shane__`	`doh`
`08:25.50`	`pastamancer`	`Shane__: don't feel bad, it took a couple of parses myself`
`08:25.50`	`Shane__`	`thanks ...`
`08:25.57`	`Shane__`	`heh`
`08:26.05`	`amro`	`get the commandline lua interpreter so you can quickly test syntax`
`08:26.35`	`Shane__`	`amro but then I wont be able to type /reloadui 10,000 times ... good idea`
`08:26.47`	`pastamancer`	`coming from C++, or any other language that support ++ and -- operators, it doesn't immediately strike one as odd`
`08:27.13`	`amro`	`~= is one of the weirdest operators i've ever seen`
`08:27.19`	`purl`	`amro: what are you talking about?`
`08:27.29`	`amro`	`...`
`08:27.32`	`haste`	`hehe`
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`08:27.52`	`pastamancer`	`~ is clearly not :p`
`08:28.00`	`Dhraga`	`morning all`
`08:28.17`	`Cairenn`	`hi Dhraga`
`08:28.18`	`Shane__`	`when I first saw it I said WTF out loud`
`08:28.19`	`pastamancer`	`although it does confuse perl users`
`08:28.23`	`Shane__`	`its not like != wasn't taken :P`
`08:28.46`	`Shane__`	`err I cant speak today.. its not like != was taken`
`08:29.11`	`pastamancer`	`it was created by brazillians, shrug`
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`08:32.49`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`naga look pretty cool in frostfire :O`
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`09:55.53`	`Dhraga`	`Any lua coder that would be interested in joining a development team for a new DKP addon (all theother areas like formulas, msql, java, php is covered) we'r currently only missing a lua coder for the IG client. Anyone that could find that interesting ?`
`09:56.15`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge Grem (n=admin@68-234-122-85.ashbva.adelphia.net)`
`09:56.37`	`Grem`	`Does anyone know a technique to determine if your character is outdoors/indoors?`
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`10:01.41`	`haste`	`Grem: IsIndoors()`
`10:02.23`	`Grem`	`Thanks`
`10:03.23`	`Grem`	`err, that returns NULL`
`10:03.27`	`Grem`	`are you sure that's real?`
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`10:09.24`	`haste`	`Yes, both IsIndoors() and IsOutdoors() exist`
`10:09.39`	`Grem`	`k`
`10:09.41`	`Grem`	`Thanks`
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`10:11.09`	`Grem`	`Is there a way to check if your location is mountable or not?`
`10:21.01`	`Kirov`	`Grem - yeah ... try to mount`
`10:21.35`	`Kirov`	`(ie: not really)`
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`10:36.10`	`Wobin`	`check MountME`
`10:36.19`	`Wobin`	`I'm pretty sure it used to have the checks you need`
`10:36.25`	`Wobin`	`basically if you're outdoors and not moving =P`
`10:36.28`	`Wobin`	`or swimming`
`10:37.14`	`Mike-N-Go`	`Anyone know how to painlessley take the MC shortcut in BRD?`
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`10:38.21`	`Wobin`	`yes`
`10:38.23`	`Wobin`	`get attuned`
`10:38.31`	`Wobin`	`oh the jump?`
`10:39.26`	`nevcairiel`	`1. be in a raid group :P`
`10:42.31`	`Wobin`	`2. ...`
`10:42.36`	`Wobin`	`3. Profit!!`
`10:42.53`	`Wobin`	`(of course 2. is "Own RDX")`
`10:43.10`	`nevcairiel`	`:D`
`10:43.39`	`Mery`	`specc ice block (because you'll never have those stupid feathers anyway)`
`10:44.05`	`nevcairiel`	`just jump in the lava, try it an hour long and you will figure out the correct spot`
`10:44.29`	`Mery`	`the easiest way is to jump into the lava actually - but only if your lava "is there", my computer managed to land me on the ground below the lava lol`
`10:45.01`	`nevcairiel`	`hehe`
`10:45.46`	`Wobin`	`I don't know why people find it so hard =\`
`10:45.56`	`Wobin`	`jump into the pylon so you land in the windowspace`
`10:46.00`	`Wobin`	`then step back off it into the wall`
`10:47.12`	`nevcairiel`	`i generally jump into the lava where this little ramp is, and walk to the window from there`
`10:47.38`	`nevcairiel`	`altho, i dont really go there that often anymore`
`10:48.50`	`nevcairiel`	`people always look weird at my druid when i join some MC group`
`10:49.06`	`Wobin`	`Is she wearing devout?`
`10:49.19`	`nevcairiel`	`no`
`10:49.22`	`nevcairiel`	`tier3`
`10:49.23`	`nevcairiel`	`:D`
`10:49.39`	`Wobin`	`Maybe it's more a "What are you doing here? =P"`
`10:49.50`	`nevcairiel`	`yeah i know :)`
`10:50.06`	`nevcairiel`	`but it was kinda fun tho`
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`11:07.51`	`Garth\|sleep`	`Good Morning`
`11:09.23`	`Dhirmadi`	`good morning all. i am new to this channel, so unawayre of the etiquette. anyone aware pf any changes beeing made to cartographer? ;)`
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`11:12.03`	`zenzelezz`	`what sort of changes?`
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`11:12.30`	`kaiden`	`Anyone around that knows what events fire when you begin to poison your weapons?`
`11:15.25`	`Dhirmadi`	`@zenze: well last night all my nodes showed up just fine, this morning, none of the nodes are visible anymore`
`11:20.07`	`kaiden`	`blah trying to use Kyubi to find these events and it wont even work :(`
`11:21.41`	`Mery`	`i don't know Kyubi, but if you search for the event showing up in the combat log then try DevTools /dtchatevent (i hope that's the correct command) and click the [#] it places in front of the chat lines`
`11:24.05`	`Mery`	`Dhirmadi: Well did you update cartographer between last night and this morning?`
`11:25.51`	`Dhirmadi`	`Mery: Yes`
`11:27.02`	`Mery`	`gimme a sec`
`11:28.02`	`kaiden`	`Mery, thanks i'll try it`
`11:28.46`	`kaiden`	`trying to get this working AND hit 54 before the servers go down on my new gnome rogue hehe`
`11:29.27`	`kaiden`	`hacking milesEnemyCastBar to pieces`
`11:29.33`	`kaiden`	`taking things out and adding new things to it`
`11:29.45`	`zenzelezz`	`I thought the servers didn't go down anymore?`
`11:29.57`	`kaiden`	`well there's a post in the emergency window stating they are going down at 5am`
`11:30.05`	`zenzelezz`	`aha`
`11:31.24`	`foxlit`	`Is there an unhooksecurefunc?`
`11:31.27`	`kaiden`	`gah i was hacking a feature into menemycast that was already there :( stupid bar just didn't show up the two times i tried it now it's showing up fine`
`11:31.41`	`kaiden`	`made me think poisons weren't within UNIT_SPELLCAST`
`11:32.00`	`zenzelezz`	`hehehe`
`11:32.16`	`zenzelezz`	`go ding then :)`
`11:32.37`	`kaiden`	`trying, doing that stupid lvl 52 rogue quest`
`11:32.49`	`kaiden`	`been killing forest oozes for like 4 hours now`
`11:33.03`	`zenzelezz`	`O_o`
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`11:33.48`	`kaiden`	`took a 5 minute break and made the new enemy cast bars stop showing the stupid icon of the spell that was casting, was getting annoying`
`11:34.24`	`zenzelezz`	`I don't mind the icon really`
`11:34.32`	`kaiden`	`it bugs me to death`
`11:34.40`	`zenzelezz`	`I just wish the castbar on the nameplate (not unit frame) wasn't so lagged`
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`11:35.07`	`kaiden`	`i dont even bother with nameplates they are an eyesore`
`11:35.40`	`zenzelezz`	`I use them in raids`
`11:36.09`	`zenzelezz`	`outside of that, I have unit and player names disabled`
`11:36.16`	`zenzelezz`	`*NPC and player`
`11:36.29`	`kaiden`	`i leave npc names up but take player names down`
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`11:37.36`	`kaiden`	`why must these encoded fragments be so god awful rare`
`11:38.39`	`Industrial`	`Is there an event for when experience is gained?`
`11:39.18`	`zenzelezz`	`http://www.thottbot.com/?i=51624 seems to suggest pickpocketing the oozes o_O`
`11:39.37`	`zenzelezz`	`there's a combat log message at least Industrial`
`11:39.49`	`kaiden`	`CHAT_MSG_COMBAT_XP_GAIN`
`11:39.51`	`foxlit`	`There's a generic gained xp too.`
`11:40.06`	`kaiden`	`PLAYER_XP_UPDATE`
`11:40.13`	`Industrial`	`ah thanks`
`11:40.30`	`kaiden`	`thank god only one more vile fragment!`
`11:41.09`	`kaiden`	`you would think after doing this quest 8 times i'd just quit and ignore it but every single time i waste 4-8 hours doing it`
`11:41.38`	`subbhawt`	`yeah it took me forever`
`11:41.43`	`subbhawt`	`but i didn't know to pickpocket the oozes`
`11:41.59`	`kaiden`	`oh you can get one from pickpocket too?`
`11:42.07`	`kaiden`	`then you kill it and can get another?`
`11:42.16`	`subbhawt`	`that's what i hear`
`11:42.26`	`subbhawt`	`or at least you might be guaranteed to get one`
`11:42.29`	`kaiden`	`about to try it out only need one more`
`11:42.49`	`kaiden`	`omg! so much time wasted!`
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`11:44.35`	`kaiden`	`that's so funny i pick pocketed him while he was moving and he started sparkling and got too far away for me to loot and he kept on sparkling :P`
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`11:49.15`	`foxlit`	`Could someone dump WorldMapRaid2Icon:GetTexture(); ?`
`11:49.48`	`Mery`	`"Interface\\WorldMap\\WorldMapPartyIcon"`
`11:50.11`	`foxlit`	`Thanks :)`
`11:56.33`	`zenzelezz`	`I love how search results on the WoW forum links to 404 pages`
`12:07.29`	`Mike-N-Go`	`I am now the owner of 5 trinkets`
`12:07.53`	`Mike-N-Go`	`Is there a better way to keep track of them, equip the ones not on cool down, etc.?`
`12:08.18`	`foxlit`	`http://wow.curse-gaming.com/en/files/details/2802/twintrinkets/ ?`
`12:08.20`	`zenzelezz`	`I only use one "Use: " trinket... can't be bothered with anything else`
`12:08.44`	`zenzelezz`	`think I have four trinkets; two regular and two for fire resistance`
`12:09.37`	`Mike-N-Go`	`Thanks.`
`12:11.11`	`Dhraga`	`Have anyone had any problems with screen freezing for up to 10 secs or so random in raids ?`
`12:12.18`	`Mike-N-Go`	`Heh, not the same thing but I have lag when ping is good.`
`12:13.26`	`Dhraga`	`Mike N Go, addon related ?`
`12:13.44`	`Mike-N-Go`	`Sure,.. I have about 80 addons.`
`12:13.53`	`Mike-N-Go`	`I just have not figured out witch oen.`
`12:13.57`	`Mike-N-Go`	`one it is*`
`12:14.13`	`Dhraga`	`okies, Mmm I know the feeling, I have about 120 or so`
`12:14.37`	`Dhraga`	`And I have not been able to reproduce the freeze in any way /shrug`
`12:14.45`	`Dhraga`	`It just comes random`
`12:15.25`	`Mike-N-Go`	`That is our problem`
`12:15.27`	`Mike-N-Go`	`!`
`12:15.43`	`Mike-N-Go`	`I beleave one of them has a memory leak`
`12:15.58`	`Mike-N-Go`	`So it eats all my RAM`
`12:16.01`	`Mike-N-Go`	`And then the VM`
`12:16.25`	`Mike-N-Go`	`I have 2GB of RAM, and it is also in 2GB of VM`
`12:16.28`	`Dhraga`	`Mike-N-Go, ack`
`12:17.11`	`Dhraga`	`But a addon leaking memory would not be able to eat up more than you have specified, then it does a garbage collect and purges the ui memory`
`12:18.12`	`Mike-N-Go`	`And I quit wow, and 1.3 GB of RAM frees 9.9`
`12:18.32`	`Mike-N-Go`	`I have unlimited specified`
`12:18.52`	`Mike-N-Go`	`Oh?`
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`12:19.09`	`Mike-N-Go`	`So, GC happens when the limit I specified is reached?`
`12:19.20`	`Dhraga`	`yes`
`12:19.53`	`Dhraga`	`And if you install a addon like Fubar-PerformanceFu or anything like that you can see the memory increase and when it does a CG`
`12:20.08`	`Mike-N-Go`	`What do you think is a good amount for 82 addons?`
`12:21.35`	`Dhraga`	`Lets say like this, run a performance information addon like the fubar-performance, then just set your maximum ui memory to abou 10-15mb higher than the startup memory value of your addons. It will be enough`
`12:21.52`	`Dhraga`	`I have about 120 addons and I only have 55mb specified, they start up on 45mb`
`12:22.48`	`Mike-N-Go`	`What happens when everything that can be GC, has been GCed, but WoW needs more memory>?`
`12:23.14`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`the game crashes ofc`
`12:23.20`	`Dhraga`	`aye`
`12:23.26`	`Mike-N-Go`	`ORLY?`
`12:23.32`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`try it :P`
`12:23.40`	`Mike-N-Go`	`OK, I will specify 1 MB of RAM!`
`12:23.49`	`Dhraga`	`That ahppens if the memory is set to low, the wow client will complain about to low memory and kick you out`
`12:24.20`	`Mike-N-Go`	`Heh`
`12:24.23`	`Mike-N-Go`	`It lets me in!`
`12:24.33`	`Mike-N-Go`	`And then crashes, lol`
`12:24.51`	`Dhraga`	`Mike, have you got fubar or titan ?`
`12:25.02`	`Mike-N-Go`	`Yes, to the prior.`
`12:25.08`	`Dhraga`	`fubar ?`
`12:25.29`	`Mike-N-Go`	`That is prior, right?`
`12:25.42`	`Dhraga`	`Aye`
`12:25.44`	`Dhraga`	`http://www.wowace.com/files/FuBar_PerformanceFu/FuBar_PerformanceFu-r22905.zip`
`12:25.53`	`Mike-N-Go`	`I have that Fu`
`12:25.57`	`Dhraga`	`it will show your addons UI consumption`
`12:26.14`	`Dhraga`	`okies, whats your startup value memory then?`
`12:26.27`	`Mike-N-Go`	`0`
`12:26.39`	`Mike-N-Go`	`Like MentalPower :)`
`12:26.54`	`Dhraga`	`heh`
`12:28.24`	`Mike-N-Go`	`Humm, I like how TwinTrinkets swamps trinkets`
`12:28.49`	`Mike-N-Go`	`But how do I get it so the action bar button has the current trinkets?`
`12:29.05`	`Mike-N-Go`	`So I don't need to have all my trinkets in the action bar?`
`12:29.30`	`foxlit`	`You'd have to edit TwinTrinkets.lua`
`12:29.41`	`Mike-N-Go`	`Because all my ActionBars are full, lol hunter.`
`12:29.57`	`Mike-N-Go`	`Humm, what all would be needed I wonder.`
`12:30.42`	`Dhraga`	`Or you can try http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info3909-TrinketMenu.html`
`12:30.50`	`foxlit`	`Come to think of it, I should probably just give up on that array and just show you the two that are equipped`
`12:32.49`	`Mike-N-Go`	`Well, WSG is starting, I am horde, cya soon!`
`12:33.10`	`Dhraga`	`laters`
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`12:34.28`	`Wogroipl`	`<PROTECTED>`
`12:37.25`	`kaiden`	`since when does GC only happen if you reach the limit of memory you have set in the addons panel?`
`12:38.28`	`Dhraga`	`Kaiden, since the start... its a feature built into the lua language`
`12:39.53`	`phyber`	`Wogroipl: yes`
`12:40.17`	`foxlit`	`I was under the impression GC also occurs before you reach the cap`
`12:40.41`	`Wogroipl`	`I have a problem with closetgnome_gatherer, or maybe I don't understand what's supposed to be done with it :/`
`12:40.43`	`kaiden`	`foxlit, as was i according to everything that i've ever read from blizzard`
`12:40.46`	`Mery`	`gc happens when you reach 125% of the memory that was used after the last gc was before 5.1`
`12:40.55`	`Mery`	`i dunno how it works with 5.1`
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`12:41.19`	`kaiden`	`i was under the impression even in 5.1 that GC automatically occurs at blizzards set standard if you set 0 to the memory addons are allowed to take`
`12:41.26`	`kaiden`	`and their standard is 128mb`
`12:41.35`	`Wogroipl`	`Phyber: I created a set called Herbalism, but somehow closetgnome_gatherer doesn't equip that set`
`12:41.36`	`kaiden`	`could be wrong though`
`12:41.42`	`Cairenn`	`woohoo! "This is to inform you that have been selected for a cash prize of Euros 500,000.00 ( Five Hundred Thousand Euros) and a brand new Volks Wagen Car"`
`12:41.54`	`kaiden`	`lol cairenn`
`12:42.06`	`zenzelezz`	`they even buthcered the vehicle's name :-\|`
`12:42.10`	`zenzelezz`	`*butchered`
`12:42.13`	`Mery`	`at least they don't want to sell you little pills of joy`
`12:42.34`	`Cairenn`	`sorry, just had to share that`
`12:42.47`	`zenzelezz`	`someone really seems to want to know my opinion about Madonna designing clothes lately, if my mailbox is to be believed`
`12:42.47`	`Cairenn`	`and now back to your regularly scheduled programming ....`
`12:42.48`	`phyber`	`Wogroipl: ahh, I don't use CG_Gatherer.`
`12:43.21`	`foxlit`	`What's the story with hotkeys in 2.0?`
`12:43.40`	`phyber`	`don't touch, they're hot.`
`12:43.43`	`phyber`	`true story.`
`12:43.50`	`foxlit`	`I previously used a keybinding to call a function that would then do UseIntentoryItem()`
`12:43.52`	`Wogroipl`	`phyber: I have tried to read through the .lua file, but I can't find out when exactly it is supposed to equip that set, and lol`
`12:44.19`	`foxlit`	`Can replace the function with a secureactionbutton, but how do I hook it up with a keybinding?`
`12:45.15`	`Mery`	`the error "table index is nil" wants to tell me what?`
`12:45.39`	`phyber`	`Wogroipl: I think it's only supposed to equip the stuff if you don't have high enough level herbalism for the flowers you're trying to pick.`
`12:46.00`	`phyber`	`Wogroipl: it looks for the "Requires ??? herbalism" error, then equips the herbalism set if it finds one.`
`12:46.07`	`kaiden`	`so did blizzard give any reasoning behind the fact that they had one whole session of this new not taking the servers down for tuesday's and now they are back to taking them down`
`12:46.21`	`phyber`	`otherwise, it does nothing since you can pick it without special equipment.`
`12:46.23`	`kaiden`	`i dont remember seeing any correspondence from the cm's on why they re-enabled it`
`12:46.47`	`Wogroipl`	`phyber: ah, so it doesn't equip the set if I can actually pick the herbs without it, for instance peacebloom while my skill is 300`
`12:47.03`	`phyber`	`yeah, since there is no need to, it won't equip anything.`
`12:47.25`	`Wogroipl`	`ok thank you, one more addon to delete then ;)`
`12:53.41`	`Garthnait`	`hey guys, i'd like have the possibility to turn on/off sound and/or messages. how can i do this? here the .lua http://wowi.pastey.net/4365`
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`13:02.48`	`Mike-N-Go`	`Well, I guess I am going to sleep, wow stopped, lol, night.`
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`13:04.12`	`Bouvi`	`Good morning sunshines`
`13:04.24`	`Garthnait`	`mornin`
`13:04.28`	`Cairenn`	`hi Bouvi`
`13:04.35`	`zenzelezz`	`heya`
`13:04.37`	`Garthnait`	`hey guys, i'd like to have the possibility to turn on/off sound and/or messages. how can i do this? here the .lua http://wowi.pastey.net/4365`
`13:07.25`	`Industrial`	`thats.. alot of if/else`
`13:09.01`	`Garthnait`	`to do this or in my lua?`
`13:10.45`	`zenzelezz`	`to accomplish what you want wouldn't be too hard, in theory. Just keep a variable that says whether to play sounds, and check that variable before each PlaySoundFile(), and similar for messages... but you'd need a way to change the variable... perhaps a slash command`
`13:10.51`	`zenzelezz`	`those can be more tricky`
`13:13.20`	`Garthnait`	`like this? http://wowi.pastey.net/4366`
`13:13.54`	`zenzelezz`	`yes`
`13:14.22`	`zenzelezz`	`== though`
`13:14.37`	`Mery`	`something like this (untested) http://wowi.pastey.net/4365-gffk`
`13:15.12`	`Mery`	`also you might want to add those variables to the saved variables in the .toc`
`13:15.33`	`Mery`	`oops, lkike this http://wowi.pastey.net/4367-2lto`
`13:16.55`	`Mery`	`and I really just copy pasted ... lol you can put the "if sound" and "if isSoundEnabled" stuff in one if statement, (probably more)`
`13:16.58`	`Industrial`	`may I add that I think it would be REALLY REALLY anoying to have text apmming my chat when I crit?`
`13:17.10`	`Mery`	`gtg, see ya all later`
`13:17.27`	`zenzelezz`	`Industrial: that's probably why he wants to make it possible to stop it`
`13:17.30`	`Industrial`	`and that its generally not good practise to print something when your addons load - because you already know it will load`
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`13:30.11`	`Industrial`	`Every time an addon shouts that it has loaded god kills a kitten.`
`13:30.23`	`Industrial`	`Please, think of the kittens.`
`13:30.52`	`zenzelezz`	`I do agree on that`
`13:31.06`	`zenzelezz`	`I especially don't see why Auctioneer feels like telling me that it has not loaded`
`13:31.31`	`Industrial`	`:p`
`13:31.44`	`Industrial`	`i wreck that code out myself`
`13:32.11`	`zenzelezz`	`I usually do too`
`13:32.25`	`Industrial`	`it reminds me of the ms paperclip dude`
`13:32.38`	`zenzelezz`	`I'm somewhat picky... I also edit Forecast to not use the so-called "Proper Case"`
`13:32.50`	`Industrial`	`whats Forecast?`
`13:33.22`	`zenzelezz`	`addon that shows what is being cast on yourself or your target by raid members that also have the addon installed`
`13:33.28`	`Industrial`	`k`
`13:33.37`	`zenzelezz`	`quite fun if your whole guild uses it and you're main tanking something`
`13:33.42`	`Industrial`	`hehe`
`13:44.08`	`Garthnait`	`hmm, on wiki there is no tut for saved variables that i understand`
`13:46.52`	`Bouvi`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/HOWTO:_Save_Variables_Between_Game_Sessions`
`13:46.55`	`Bouvi`	`Try that one`
`13:47.32`	`Garthnait`	`i've read but i dont understand`
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`13:52.37`	`Bouvi`	`In your toc just put ## SavedVariables: "nameofsavedvariableshere"`
`13:52.52`	`Bouvi`	`No quotes for more than one variable seperate with a ,`
`13:54.00`	`Garthnait`	`i've created ## SavedVariables: GodLike`
`13:54.59`	`zenzelezz`	`that would just save the variable called GodLike`
`13:55.05`	`Garthnait`	`do i have to put it in quotes?`
`13:55.53`	`Bouvi`	`No`
`13:57.04`	`Garthnait`	`zenzelezz so i have to ## SavedVariables: GodLike_isSoundEnabled ?`
`13:57.46`	`zenzelezz`	`if that is the name of the variable you want to save, yes`
`13:58.26`	`Garthnait`	`ah okay and for themessage i place ## SavedVariables: GodLike_isSoundEnabled, GodLike_isMessageEnabled`
`14:01.03`	`Bouvi`	`Yepper`
`14:01.19`	`Bouvi`	`That goes in your .toc file`
`14:01.31`	`Garthnait`	`yep that i understand`
`14:01.58`	`FlAWD`	`just a random question .. out of curiosity .. what programming language are wow addons in? or similar to?`
`14:02.06`	`Bouvi`	`.lua`
`14:02.12`	`Cairenn`	`lua & xml`
`14:02.26`	`Bouvi`	`Yeah that xml too :)`
`14:02.51`	`FlAWD`	`ive never heard of "lua" what else is it used for?`
`14:02.52`	`zenzelezz`	`anything`
`14:02.57`	`zenzelezz`	`common for scripting game stuff`
`14:03.01`	`FlAWD`	`cool`
`14:03.01`	`foxlit`	`FarCry.`
`14:03.35`	`Garthnait`	`so now i have my to variables GodLike_isSoundEnabled, GodLike_isMessageEnabled saved in the savedvariables how do tell them what they have to do?`
`14:05.39`	`TML`	`FlAWD: It's also used as a client-side scripting language in the links (text-mode) browser`
`14:05.43`	`Bouvi`	`Just assign them to whatever variables you want in your .oua file`
`14:05.54`	`FlAWD`	`lynx?`
`14:06.07`	`Garthnait`	`ands there is my problem ^^ how?`
`14:06.07`	`Bouvi`	`s/.lua/.oua/`
`14:06.23`	`Bouvi`	`I always get that backwards grrrrr`
`14:06.29`	`Bouvi`	`Even thou I know better`
`14:06.52`	`TML`	`FlAWD: No, links`
`14:07.01`	`Wobin`	`Garthnait: GodLike_isSoundEnabled = true`
`14:07.02`	`FlAWD`	`oh .. never heard of it`
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`14:08.31`	`Wobin`	`night all`
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`14:28.15`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`hm i just realised that in BC i could see my mana regeneration in the stats on my enquipment but now in the 2.0.1 ui it has been removed i think`
`14:28.53`	`zenzelezz`	`see it where, in the item tooltips?`
`14:33.05`	`sbu`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u: its in 2.0.3 patchnotes`
`14:33.54`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`u mena its gonig tobe added in 2.0.3 ?`
`14:34.54`	`sbu`	`"- Improved character stat (spirit now displays how much health and mana is recovered per tick)"`
`14:34.55`	`sbu`	`yep :p`
`14:36.36`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`so its going tobe moves to base stats - spirit oke :P`
`14:37.05`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`any idea when 2.0.3 will be released :P`
`14:37.18`	`zenzelezz`	`BC I think`
`14:38.07`	`zenzelezz`	`my Spirit tooltip (for the Base Stats display) shows mana per second, but not health o_O`
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`14:42.06`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`mine only show increase mana regenetation by :...`
`14:42.12`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`but not my total regenration`
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`14:49.12`	`zenzelezz`	`oh, I see`
`14:51.16`	`Garthnait`	`can someone help me with if ((event == "ADDON_LOADED") and (arg1 == "Demo")) then`
`14:51.16`	`Garthnait`	`if (initDemo_foo == Demo_foo) then`
`14:51.16`	`Garthnait`	`-- No change - Must be new user`
`14:51.16`	`Garthnait`	`else`
`14:51.17`	`Garthnait`	`-- Changed - Previous user`
`14:51.17`	`Garthnait`	`end`
`14:51.19`	`Garthnait`	`end`
`14:52.17`	`foxlit`	`what about it?`
`14:52.27`	`Garthnait`	`i dont understand to use it`
`14:52.51`	`Garthnait`	`so i have ## SavedVariables: GodLike_isSoundEnabled, GodLike_isMessageEnabled an in my lua`
`14:53.01`	`Garthnait`	`GodLike_isSoundEnabled={}`
`14:53.01`	`Garthnait`	`GodLike_isMessageEnabled={}`
`14:53.25`	`foxlit`	`in your toc, surely?`
`14:53.38`	`Garthnait`	`that: ## SavedVariables: GodLike_isSoundEnabled, GodLike_isMessageEnabled is in the .toc`
`14:54.16`	`Garthnait`	`that: GodLike_isSoundEnabled = {} in my lua`
`14:54.18`	`Corrodias`	`what does it have to do with the code you pasted?`
`14:54.36`	`Garthnait`	`i'm looking on the tut on wiki`
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`14:54.44`	`Garthnait`	`but i dont understand how to handle`
`14:54.44`	`foxlit`	`GodLike_isSoundEnabled sounds like a boolean, and yet you're initializing it to a table.`
`14:54.57`	`Corrodias`	`oops, time to go to the doctor! [away]`
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`14:59.51`	`Garthnait`	`its hard for me to explain my problem in english ^^`
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`15:00.31`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`well then explain it deutsh`
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`15:01.09`	`Garthnait`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u are you german?`
`15:01.23`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`no no1 is and no1 will understand german anyway`
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`15:02.54`	`Garthnait`	`i only wish to have the ability to turn on/off sound from my addon ;( but i dont understand`
`15:04.50`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`dammit that paperdoll frame is chnace a lot from 2.0.1 to now :( i cant even use my normal hooking it`
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`15:23.13`	`cladhaire`	`<PROTECTED>`
`15:23.16`	`cladhaire`	`or do they have to use totems?`
`15:26.42`	`Industrial`	`any admins on? http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info6659-Skinner.html`
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`15:30.42`	`[Cu]Werik`	`Hey there, what's the fuss about yelling 'MOVIE!' ?;-)`
`15:30.46`	`TS\|Skrom`	`is there a list anywhere of computed armor values for mobs?`
`15:31.16`	`TS\|Skrom`	`like how much armor ony or rag has for example?`
`15:32.08`	`zenzelezz`	`I suppose addons like MobInfo might have that`
`15:32.15`	`zenzelezz`	`but I don't really know, never tried one myself`
`15:32.55`	`TS\|Skrom`	`heh trying to convince my warlock leader that recklessness is worth putting up`
`15:33.07`	`TS\|Skrom`	`he doesn't see 640 armor as worth replacing an agony...`
`15:33.13`	`Garthnait`	`is there anywhere a tutorial for switching on/off functions per /command?`
`15:33.24`	`zenzelezz`	`just make sure your healers are aware of it`
`15:33.27`	`TS\|Skrom`	`I wanna say, "you put up elements for 10% more damage, recklessness takes off x% armor!"`
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`15:35.12`	`TS\|Skrom`	`even more beneficial as we usually run warrior, rogue, hunter heavy`
`15:37.38`	`cladhaire`	`40 debuff slots =)`
`15:37.51`	`TS\|Skrom`	`mmmmmmm`
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`16:26.21`	`Mery`	`Garthnait: if the code I posted worked then the only thing you need to do is to put GodLike_isSoundEnabled and the other 2 in your -toc (like you did!) and no other changes`
`16:28.20`	`Garthnait`	`oh i think i have lines 52 to 87 overseen ^^`
`16:31.03`	`Mery`	`and you can ask me questions in german (just pm me then as I think the channel in general doesn't want to listen then)`
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`16:32.37`	`Garthnait`	`okay, thanks, i figure your changes out and test them`
`16:41.57`	`Garthnait`	`GodLike.lua:67 bad argument #1 to lower (string expectet, got nil)`
`16:42.42`	`Garthnait`	`in your post its line 59`
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`16:44.47`	`Mery`	`ok.. lol just change it to if (msg) then msg = string.lower(msg); end;`
`16:45.12`	`Garthnait`	`okay i've found tehe failure it was mine`
`16:45.27`	`Garthnait`	`forgotten the msg in GodLike_ShowHelp(msg)`
`16:46.14`	`Mery`	`well I didn't test it ... so maybe "/gl" with no argument will throw the error then you need to check against nil like posted above`
`16:46.53`	`Garthnait`	`it works`
`16:47.00`	`Garthnait`	`i test it at the moment`
`16:47.27`	`Garthnait`	`oh, many thanks`
`16:47.34`	`Garthnait`	`you are godlik for me ^^`
`16:50.09`	`Garthnait`	`are the slashcommand case sensitiv?`
`16:50.24`	`Garthnait`	`now i see ^^`
`16:50.29`	`Garthnait`	`there not`
`16:50.52`	`Mery`	`they are not and also`
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`16:51.39`	`Mery`	`SLASH_GLOptions1 = "/GodLike" or "/gl"`
`16:51.50`	`Mery`	`is the short form for`
`16:52.13`	`Mery`	`if ("/GodLike") then SLASH_GLOptions1 = "/gl" end`
`16:52.23`	`Garthnait`	`okay`
`16:52.38`	`Mery`	`and only worked because "/GodLike" is true in an if statement`
`16:53.12`	`Mery`	`wait no`
`16:53.13`	`cogwheel`	`O.o`
`16:53.15`	`Mery`	`but close`
`16:53.16`	`cogwheel`	`that's not right`
`16:53.23`	`Mery`	`yeah i saw...`
`16:53.49`	`cogwheel`	`(a or b) == a if a is true, b otherwise`
`16:54.39`	`foxlit`	`Just ignore all that until you feel a blazing need for implicit if statements.`
`16:55.01`	`foxlit`	`the a ? b : c syntax is ugly in LUA.`
`16:55.18`	`cogwheel`	`it's prettier than C :P`
`16:55.29`	`zenzelezz`	`I find the C/C++ one much easier to read`
`16:55.34`	`Industrial`	`there is no ternary in lua`
`16:55.49`	`Industrial`	`you can mimick it but it doesnt act the same :P`
`16:55.54`	`foxlit`	`eh?`
`16:56.05`	`foxlit`	`a and b or c works`
`16:56.11`	`Industrial`	`what if b is false`
`16:56.13`	`Bouvi`	`Be back after lunch`
`16:56.17`	`cogwheel`	`only if b and c are true`
`16:56.28`	`cogwheel`	`(well, b, really)`
`16:56.31`	`Industrial`	`;)`
`16:56.35`	amro`afk	`you can't have any bool in there`
`16:56.47`	amro`afk	`tern is (bool) ? val : val`
`16:56.51`	`foxlit`	`Just shuffle them appropriately`
`16:57.18`	`Garthnait`	`hmm, Mery i cant disable GL when i type "/gl off" it says "GL is [of]" but the message an sound appear`
`16:57.51`	`zenzelezz`	`then you're either not changing your variable, or not checking against it`
`16:58.31`	`Mery`	`you forgot to copy line 96+97 I assume`
`16:59.15`	`Garthnait`	`mom i test`
`16:59.41`	`Garthnait`	`okay that was it`
`16:59.48`	`Garthnait`	`many many thanks to you`
`16:59.54`	`Mery`	`yw`
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`17:01.04`	`foxlit`	`Can't call Button:GetFontString(); before Button:SetText("meh")?`
`17:01.54`	`Garthnait`	`now the last thing to do is the localization for german, but that isnt really important ^^`
`17:02.01`	`Garthnait`	`deDE sucks :P`
`17:02.33`	amro`afk	`Garthnait: what is the problem with it again? did you try what i told you to do?`
`17:02.56`	`Garthnait`	`yes with an error so iv undone it`
`17:03.30`	`Garthnait`	`i think i havent understand that correctly`
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`17:04.41`	amro`afk	`the error about "then"`
`17:04.52`	`Garthnait`	`yes`
`17:04.56`	amro`afk	`"then" was just me talking, it wasn't supposed to go into the code`
`17:05.05`	amro`afk	`those were three seperate lines`
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`17:05.27`	`Garthnait`	`hmm, shit ^^`
`17:08.31`	`cogwheel`	`~seen hexarobi`
`17:09.40`	`purl`	`hexarobi <i=Hexarobe@71.15.115.199> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 22d 1h 44m 47s ago, saying: 'in game map showed every mob in zone etc'.`
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`17:19.34`	`cogwheel`	`O.O`
`17:19.47`	`cogwheel`	`"Firefox prevented this site from opening 2 popup windows."`
`17:19.51`	`cogwheel`	`on wowi...`
`17:20.04`	`cogwheel`	`:'(`
`17:20.52`	`zenzelezz`	`ad being bad?`
`17:21.00`	`cogwheel`	`guess so...`
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`17:28.19`	`zenzelezz`	`I find it unfair of a mob only three levels higher than me to resist a spell four times in a row`
`17:31.03`	amro`afk	`not as bad as having a mob below you fully resist a pyroblast`
`17:31.21`	`nevcairiel`	`get more hit :)`
`17:31.25`	`zenzelezz`	`well, worst is having a Critter mob resist Taunt`
`17:31.30`	`cogwheel`	`not as bad as having a mob below you fully resist a shadowburn`
`17:31.30`	`xsarpedon`	`I cry a little every time I run someone through VC with a 60 and a mob resists something.`
`17:31.37`	`cogwheel`	`(soul shard cost)`
`17:34.54`	`zenzelezz`	`hm, is it possible to make a macro (when placed on an actionbar) display a spell's cooldown? (the gray overlay thing)`
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`17:35.34`	`Kirkburn`	`Lol, it appears that the RIAA is suing AllofMP3.com for the entirety of Russia GDP`
`17:35.43`	`zenzelezz`	`I remember doing it before 2.0, but either that doesnt' work anymore, or I'm doing something wrong`
`17:35.58`	`Kirkburn`	`$1.6 trillion`
`17:36.14`	`zenzelezz`	`RIAA is worse than Bush at giving Americans a bad name now`
`17:36.19`	`zenzelezz`	`and have been for some time`
`17:38.43`	`Kirkburn`	`How long was US maintenance today?`
`17:39.33`	`foxlit`	`Did they patch?`
`17:40.16`	`cogwheel`	`no patch`
`17:41.45`	`Industrial`	`i find trials in america a bit strange anyway`
`17:42.06`	`Industrial`	`they sue one girl for sharing 5 mp3's while thousands (millions) of people share mp3's`
`17:42.19`	`Industrial`	`just an example, but its retarded :P`
`17:43.41`	`Industrial`	`I mean put a tap on any household from the ISP and everyone is done for :P`
`17:44.08`	`cladhaire`	`Anyone have teamspeak installed?`
`17:44.20`	`cladhaire`	`and willing to hop on a server to test something for me?`
`17:44.50`	`Industrial`	`no mic i'd do it`
`17:45.14`	`cladhaire`	`damn, need someone with a mic =)`
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`17:52.37`	`Kirkburn`	`I want another beta patch =)`
`17:52.52`	`Kirkburn`	`I guess I'm running out of time though :P`
`17:53.02`	`zenzelezz`	`I just want release`
`17:53.09`	`Kirkburn`	`aww`
`17:56.13`	`zenzelezz`	`you betaers have had your fun, now let us normal raiders get ours!`
`17:56.43`	`End`	`I barely even "played" beta`
`17:57.01`	`End`	`what I did do was fun though`
`17:58.02`	`zenzelezz`	`what was that?`
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`18:01.52`	`Saeris`	`http://wowi.pastey.net/4375 Buahaha, night-vision.`
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`18:08.58`	`Tuller`	`hrm, so if I'm reading trinity's statheaders right, its actually multiple headers stacked together`
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`18:10.26`	`Bouvi`	`Good Afternoon all, let the party begin!!`
`18:11.01`	`Tuller`	`partypartyparty`
`18:11.19`	`nevcairiel`	`Tuller and what makes it good that way ? :)`
`18:11.34`	`Tuller`	`nevcairiel: err, I'm debating if its good that way :)`
`18:11.42`	`nevcairiel`	`hehe`
`18:11.57`	`nevcairiel`	`i thought briefly about using a second state header for some stuff`
`18:12.00`	`Tuller`	`nevcairiel: it means trinity has at least 8 stateheaders per frame :)`
`18:12.01`	`nevcairiel`	`but i didnt get any where :D`
`18:12.13`	`Tuller`	`well, per bar`
`18:14.12`	`Tuller`	`i think its mainly that it makes the math simpler`
`18:14.26`	`Tuller`	`but i'm pretty sure its much slower because of it`
`18:14.48`	`Tuller`	`showstates are way faster than using statebuttons, though`
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`18:15.09`	`Tuller`	`aka new bongos doesn't ever call get modified attribute :)`
`18:16.01`	`sysrage`	`do any of the cosmos guys come in here?`
`18:16.42`	`Tuller`	`aduin does every now and then`
`18:16.49`	`Tuller`	`aduin-lothar if I can spell that is`
`18:18.40`	`zenzelezz`	`AnduinLothar`
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`18:19.29`	`Tuller`	`there's totally a -`
`18:19.43`	`zenzelezz`	`a what? Hyphen?`
`18:20.24`	`Tuller`	`yes`
`18:20.33`	`zenzelezz`	`not when he's on IRC`
`18:20.42`	`zenzelezz`	`~seen AnduinLothar`
`18:21.03`	`purl`	`anduinlothar <n=AnduinLo@ip68-99-187-213.oc.oc.cox.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 1d 17h 16m 42s ago, saying: 'i think 40-50k is like the max size of a 32 bit integer or something'.`
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`18:21.04`	`Tuller`	`~seen Anduin-Lothar`
`18:21.07`	`purl`	`Tuller: i haven't seen 'anduin-lothar'`
`18:21.16`	`Tuller`	`hurray, you're right`
`18:21.16`	`zenzelezz`	`I rest my case`
`18:22.42`	`Tuller`	`hrm, yeah the main benefit of doing a list of stateheaders is it makes the math a bit less scary`
`18:22.55`	`Tuller`	`well not math, but the statemaps`
`18:26.24`	`Tem`	`~seen karlkfi`
`18:26.28`	`purl`	`karlkfi <n=AnduinLo@adsl-67-125-158-194.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 9d 21h 27m 19s ago, saying: ' /script SELECTED_DOCK_FRAME = ChatFrame1'.`
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`18:32.18`	`Kirkburn`	`Heehee: http://people.sissa.it/~mazzu/us_map.gif`
`18:35.17`	`Dhirmadi`	`w/query dhraga`
`18:38.56`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Tuller - On the new version of Bongos in progress, when do the keybinding cues get sent?`
`18:39.12`	`Tuller`	`keybindings are sent onclick`
`18:39.22`	`Tuller`	`so on keyup still`
`18:40.13`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`So how is trying to use modifier:button commands in macros going to work (if at all?)`
`18:40.51`	`Tuller`	`properly`
`18:41.16`	`Tuller`	`that is stuff like button:1 will work`
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`18:50.10`	`cladhaire`	`http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/01/us/01charles.html?ref=todayspaper`
`18:54.05`	`Kirkburn`	`Heh: http://myextralife.com/`
`18:54.54`	`Tuller`	`ruh roh`
`18:54.56`	`Bouvi`	`Is wowinterface.com down or is it just me??`
`18:55.18`	`foxlit`	`There'd a 7 minute queue on my realm. :(`
`18:55.21`	`zenzelezz`	`gives me an "Unable to connect"`
`18:55.27`	`foxlit`	`It's as if people are crawling out of the woodwork for TBC.`
`18:56.06`	`Kirov`	`Bouvi - same`
`18:56.16`	`Kirov`	`ping Dolby-wowi`
`18:56.58`	`SB1-Laptop`	`haha`
`18:56.59`	`Bouvi`	`but but but.... I cannot live without it!!!!`
`18:57.08`	`SB1-Laptop`	`Blizz did another botting banwave Jan 1 and today`
`18:57.20`	`SB1-Laptop`	`the wowglider forums are awesome to read at times`
`18:57.25`	`cladhaire`	`kergoth: heheh some of it is nasty, but i'm working on it =)`
`18:57.32`	`Dolby-wowi`	`aye rebooting db server :)`
`18:57.37`	`cladhaire`	`the unit tests are the most fun =)`
`18:57.39`	`Dolby-wowi`	`had some problems`
`18:58.01`	`kergoth`	`yeah i was happy to see that you at least have unit tests... ace2 is a bit lacking in that department :P`
`18:58.26`	`kergoth`	`cladhaire: thought about using svn2log.py for changelog.txt? nicely formatted that way`
`18:58.29`	`kergoth`	`:P`
`18:58.36`	`cladhaire`	`never seen/used it`
`18:58.37`	`cladhaire`	`=)`
`18:59.11`	`Dolby-wowi`	`back up`
`18:59.16`	`kergoth`	`it uses svn log --xml and outputs it in gnu changelog format`
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`18:59.37`	`cladhaire`	`hrm`
`18:59.38`	`kergoth`	`http://www.core.com.pl/svn2log/`
`19:00.25`	`kergoth`	`http://kergoth.com:1980/Dongle-ChangeLog`
`19:01.22`	`cladhaire`	`hrm, thats much nicer.`
`19:01.28`	`cladhaire`	`hrm.. my python wants xml.utils.`
`19:01.37`	`Mikma`	`:D`
`19:01.42`	`Mikma`	`* Bad build. BAD CLADHAIRE!`
`19:02.00`	`kergoth`	`cladhaire: mine did too, had to apt-get install python-xml :P`
`19:03.19`	`Bouvi`	`Whew it is back I feel better now`
`19:04.11`	`JoshBork2`	`hm, so what exactly IS dongle?`
`19:04.17`	`cladhaire`	`an addon framework`
`19:04.52`	`JoshBork2`	`where did the idea come from?`
`19:04.59`	`kergoth`	`heh`
`19:05.07`	`cladhaire`	`its what Ace2 was supposed to be`
`19:05.08`	`cladhaire`	`in short,`
`19:05.31`	`JoshBork2`	`i see`
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`19:12.12`	`pastamancer`	`svn2log? just get a nice XSLT style sheet`
`19:13.12`	`pastamancer`	`http://grid.13th-floor.org/ is just xsltproc`
`19:14.52`	`cladhaire`	`this is me =0`
`19:14.52`	`cladhaire`	`this is me knowing nothing about XSLT =)`
`19:14.52`	`cladhaire`	`plus, I'd like the changelog to be in text format`
`19:14.52`	`pastamancer`	`well, XSLT does eat turing-complete babies`
`19:14.52`	`cladhaire`	`=)`
`19:17.10`	`cladhaire`	`hrm i like that output.`
`19:18.47`	`zenzelezz`	`both outputs seem nice, but the svn2log thing seems more to my taste`
`19:18.52`	`cladhaire`	`well,`
`19:18.54`	`cladhaire`	`hrm`
`19:19.05`	`cladhaire`	`i'm probably better off just parsing it in lua, and outputting the same format.`
`19:19.21`	`cladhaire`	`because coordinating proper python installs, and updating the build script isn't really practical`
`19:19.32`	`cladhaire`	`btu i may very well do that =)`
`19:24.51`	`foxlit`	`Any easy way of detecting losing / gaining leader?`
`19:25.03`	`foxlit`	`I'm thinking of UNIT_FLAGS, but that may just be wrong`
`19:25.19`	`pastamancer`	`cladhaire: oh, I have a XSLT to generate a rss feed too ;)`
`19:25.38`	`cladhaire`	`hehe nice`
`19:26.08`	`pastamancer`	`I can toss them up somewhere along with my post-commit script if you're interested`
`19:26.27`	`cladhaire`	`not at the moment`
`19:26.34`	`cladhaire`	`we're not not he web in any way right now =)`
`19:26.36`	`cladhaire`	`]but i'll keep that in mind :P`
`19:26.43`	`pastamancer`	`ah`
`19:31.48`	`kergoth`	`Dolby-wowi: dont suppose you've heard about the issue i was having updating kenergy (from cair)? was acting oddly`
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`19:37.12`	`Cairenn`	`Bouvi: ping?`
`19:37.19`	`Bouvi`	`Whu`
`19:37.22`	`Bouvi`	`I am awake`
`19:44.12`	`zenzelezz`	`argh, this stupid Cauldron Lord doesn't seem to want to respawn, and I'll have to beat like three farm bots over him`
`19:44.32`	`foxlit`	`He respawns on approach, doesn't he?`
`19:44.42`	`foxlit`	`And unless the bots have that quest... :P`
`19:44.44`	`zenzelezz`	`doesn't seem to`
`19:45.12`	`kaiden`	`they do`
`19:45.24`	`zenzelezz`	`hm, never noticed that before... but I've always gone when there were people there`
`19:45.27`	`zenzelezz`	`thanks for the tip`
`19:46.02`	`kergoth`	`cladhaire: http://svn.gnucash.org/repo/gnucash/trunk/macros/svn2cl.xsl`
`19:46.11`	`kergoth`	`cladhaire: xslt converter to gnu changelog format`
`19:46.16`	`cladhaire`	`hehe nice`
`19:46.30`	`zenzelezz`	`well, that did in fact work... don't I feel stupid having done that quest series three times at least and not learned that yet :-o`
`19:46.55`	`zenzelezz`	`not to mention standing around for 30 minutes waiting for him`
`19:48.00`	`Cairenn`	`ui.wow.net has another trojan?!`
`19:48.34`	`zenzelezz`	`maybe they like the greeks`
`19:48.41`	`Cairenn`	`lol`
`19:49.04`	`Cairenn`	`http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=60788919&sid=1 is what prompted the comment, sorry for interrupting previous conversation`
`19:49.50`	`foxlit`	`Signature: "Ace2 >>> all other libraries and makes the game run faster " :/`
`19:50.40`	`foxlit`	`Woah, the first reply is about that too.`
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`19:52.11`	`Tain`	`Geez people need to get over it. It's a sig. It's a person's opinion. Facts are irrelevant.`
`19:52.27`	`Cairenn`	`indeed`
`19:53.10`	amro`afk	`way to hijack threads cogwheel`
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`19:53.52`	`foxlit`	`Yes, but it doesn't exactly add credibility to "zomg, I went there and my antivirus said this".`
`19:54.33`	`Tain`	`It is irrelevant.`
`19:55.08`	`Tain`	`Someone's sig has nothing to do with the content of the message, which in this case should at least be looked into since downloading viruses/trojans/etc. as part of addons is a bad thing.`
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`19:56.47`	`Tuller`	`whee finally fixed empty buttons showing up in combat for good`
`19:56.52`	amro`afk	`yeah, but cogwheel had a point`
`19:56.59`	`Tain`	`No, he doesn't. not in that thread.`
`19:57.07`	`Cairenn`	`agreed`
`19:57.08`	`Tain`	`It's a point to be made elsewhere.`
`19:57.24`	`Bouvi`	`Woot Tuller!!!`
`19:57.36`	amro`afk	`teah i guess`
`19:58.42`	`foxlit`	`It just reinforces the way the message is presented, really.`
`19:58.53`	`Tuller`	`I do find it a bit annoying that some of the general wow populace does in fact think that ace2 = magical remedy for lag, but mostly when they ask me to recode my stuff using ace`
`19:59.01`	`Tain`	`It says more about your reaction to it than the person posting, in my opinion.`
`19:59.36`	`foxlit`	`Any cries of "Zomg VIRUSEz!!!" should start with a negative moderation anyway.`
`19:59.55`	`Tain`	`So you didn't read the message.`
`20:00.09`	`foxlit`	`It's a quote of two others. I see no reason for the repost.`
`20:00.41`	`kaiden`	`and here i thought the whole reason behind ace/ace2 was to create commonality behind calls to indeed speed up your general ui for the sheer fact that there aren't 15 million functions doing the same things`
`20:00.45`	`kaiden`	`:P`
`20:01.06`	`Tain`	`So you're quoting someone else as your reason for dismissing a person's post that had specific information about the viruses that was detected on his system.`
`20:01.09`	`nymbia`	`Tuller: people like that are morons. just email them a version with "\|cff7fff7f -Ace2-\|r" in the toc title, they won't notice that it doesnt actually use ace.`
`20:01.23`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`nymbia: lol`
`20:01.31`	`Tain`	`To me the only thing he could have done more is say the exact addon that he thinks it was in.`
`20:01.32`	`Tuller`	`yeah that requires me emailing them stuff :P`
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`20:01.37`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Tuller, if it makes you feel any better . . .`
`20:02.03`	`foxlit`	`Tain: he did not detect viruses on his system.`
`20:02.19`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`I run an independent/private little filestash mirror of a bunch of addons for my guild. Started due to the massive slam of interface sites on patch day . . .`
`20:02.57`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`and maintained since as it's a convenient way for me to point people to the latest versions of stuff easily and tell them "well, upgrade and see if that doesn't fix it" when they come to me with addons problems, since I seem to be the official guild UI tech support.`
`20:03.42`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`There's a lot of Ace2 stuff there. There's also select non-Ace2 stuff, as I use what I like and what I think works well, and recommend such. Bongos, OmniCC, vBagnon, ItemRack, amongst others.`
`20:03.53`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`so, we're not all idiots. :)`
`20:04.12`	`Tuller`	`I'm aware that not everyone is an idiot :P`
`20:04.31`	`Bouvi`	`Just every other person??`
`20:05.22`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Now, I shake my head and a tiny bit of me dies when I suggest Bongos to someone when they ask for a bar mod, and they reply "but it's too hard for me to configure."`
`20:05.51`	`foxlit`	`That's probably why there's a market for things like Phoetek`
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`20:06.28`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`I absolutely cannot understand how Bongos can be tough to configure. Ok, I had to bother to look and read a minute to realize the way keybindings worked now.`
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`20:06.56`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Otherwise . . . you uncheck a box or two, you drag things around, they stick to each other! There's sliders! How easier does it get?`
`20:07.15`	`Tuller`	`ZealotOnAStick: well alot of people don't realize the sliders actually exist`
`20:07.20`	`Bouvi`	`It doesn't and I have used just about every bar mod out there.`
`20:07.35`	`Bouvi`	`Bongos has to be the easiest I have used to setup anything`
`20:07.44`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`I've used a lot of them, and until I found Bongos, I stuck with Flexbar for over a year.`
`20:08.31`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`I chuckled as for about 3 patches in a row my guildmates had to redo their DAB setup.`
`20:09.26`	`Tuller`	`most of my friends finally stopped using DAB after 2.0`
`20:13.16`	`Tuller`	`my favorite post so far for a comment was, "You should just give up on bongos, since trinity does everything"`
`20:13.32`	`Tuller`	`trinity is probably the new mod to use for old DAB users`
`20:13.41`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Trinity looked hella complicated to me.`
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`20:14.01`	`Tuller`	`I think its crazy he went without any menus at all`
`20:14.14`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`My criteria during beta (which translated to my release 2.0.x attitude) was: "Oh, yay, Bongos for TBC. Done."`
`20:15.13`	`Tuller`	`bartender3 is now on par/exceeds bongos in features now, I think`
`20:16.08`	`Tuller`	`but I generally only implement stuff I personally want, so yes`
`20:16.14`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Unless BT3 miraculously resurrects Sprocket for me, Bongos does everything I need otherwise.`
`20:16.15`	`Mikma`	`Tuller: yeah you should give up coding because others do it too ;)`
`20:16.18`	`Tain`	`Features mean more complexity, sometimes that isn't what you want.`
`20:16.33`	`Tuller`	`Tain: I'm aware`
`20:16.49`	`Tuller`	`Tain: doing statemaps makes me cry a little inside :)`
`20:17.01`	`Tain`	`Just never code things you don't want to because users request it, it's a sure way to make you hate it. :)`
`20:18.45`	`Tuller`	`also, someone should really convert my stickybars code into a more general library :)`
`20:18.47`	`Tuller`	`aka, not me`
`20:19.12`	`Tuller`	`I know clad had stickywindows, but that broke with 2.0, correct?`
`20:19.32`	`cladhaire`	`i dont think so`
`20:19.43`	`cladhaire`	`it was just a sticky library, it should work just fine, actually`
`20:22.52`	`Tuller`	`hah to gello's post in the trojan thread :)`
`20:24.54`	`cladhaire`	`link? =)`
`20:26.02`	`Tain`	`http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=60788919&sid=1`
`20:26.58`	`foxlit`	`:)`
`20:27.43`	`cladhaire`	`hahaha`
`20:27.46`	`cladhaire`	`i want that as my sigl.`
`20:27.49`	`cladhaire`	`wonder if it'll fit.`
`20:32.17`	amro`afk	`lmao`
`20:32.24`	`foxlit`	`Did it? :)`
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`20:33.04`	amro`afk	`now why was i bothering with fancy techniques like culling in my 3d apps when i could've just used darker colors?`
`20:33.34`	`Tain`	`A lower alpha value helps too, less color to send through the wire.`
`20:33.51`	`cladhaire`	`no, its > 200 characters =(`
`20:36.05`	`kergoth`	`hahah`
`20:37.21`	`foxlit`	`I'm sure you could simplify it.`
`20:37.39`	`cladhaire`	`but its just so glorious!`
`20:38.19`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Wow, I had no idea the quest lines in TBC were so 'connected' http://worldofraids.free.fr/bc/diagram.jpg`
`20:38.35`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Really cool, means people won't be skipping instances :)`
`20:39.02`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Also means getting to Hyjal will be a bitch ;)`
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`20:40.15`	`cladhaire`	`s/Hyjal/anything/`
`20:41.19`	`foxlit`	`As long as those keys aren't silly collect 3 key fragments, each with a 10% chance to drop for one person.`
`20:41.35`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`cladhaire, hehe`
`20:41.43`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`foxlit, afaik no, they're not`
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`20:42.41`	`foxlit`	`UBRS key was just downright silly.`
`20:42.49`	`zenzelezz`	`*is`
`20:42.52`	`cladhaire`	`still is`
`20:42.53`	`cladhaire`	`heh`
`20:43.02`	`foxlit`	`was, cause there's no reason to go to UBRS :)`
`20:43.12`	`cladhaire`	`except BWL attunement =)`
`20:43.20`	`zenzelezz`	`BWL attunement still matters to those not in higher end guilds`
`20:43.21`	`cladhaire`	`Onyxia attunement`
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`20:43.34`	`Tain`	`That stupid quest.`
`20:43.53`	`Tain`	`I never want to do Jail Break again.`
`20:44.10`	`zenzelezz`	`I don't see why Onyxia requires such a long quest`
`20:44.27`	`cladhaire`	`try doing it hordeside =)`
`20:44.33`	`Tain`	`Been there!`
`20:44.37`	`cladhaire`	`alliance dont know how good they have it not having to find a LBRS run`
`20:44.38`	`cladhaire`	`shudder`
`20:44.39`	`zenzelezz`	`story-wise it's nice enough, but sheesh... it's the smallest raid`
`20:44.44`	`cladhaire`	`i'd take jailbreak either way`
`20:44.44`	`Cairenn`	`I just left my opinion on the thread`
`20:45.15`	`cladhaire`	`<3 cairenn`
`20:45.20`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`classic =)`
`20:45.30`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`Equus Mortis!`
`20:45.42`	`Tuller`	`hah`
`20:46.03`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`or Le Morte D'Equis`
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`20:46.40`	`foxlit`	`The Death of Horse? :P`
`20:46.40`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`oops, wrong language...`
`20:46.51`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`Le Morte D'Cheval`
`20:46.59`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`forgot, that's actually french`
`20:47.19`	`Tuller`	`hrm, so if I drag two bars over each other, they need to magically form a single bar with a tab`
`20:47.37`	`cladhaire`	`Tuller: Not too horrible, grab the overlap calculations from stickyframes`
`20:47.56`	`Tuller`	`i'm not using your code :P`
`20:48.07`	`Tain`	`cladhaire's code has cooties!`
`20:48.20`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`and it's orange`
`20:50.12`	`Tuller`	`well my stickyframes code auto docks, clads offers resistance, I think`
`20:50.27`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Heh, my sis gave her boyfriend "The survival guide to being ginger" for Xmas :)`
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`20:51.15`	`Tuller`	`but that's besides the point since I'm not dealing with that portion, just trying to do some stuff with bars`
`20:52.08`	`Tuller`	`the most important part of this is remembering how to spell receive`
`20:52.28`	`sysrage`	`i before e except after c!`
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`20:55.13`	`Cairenn`	`or when sounding like "a" such as neighbour & weigh`
`20:55.21`	`sysrage`	`heh`
`20:57.21`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Hmm. How long does it take for file approval on updates on WoWI? Clique 2.3.2 is still giving 2.3.1 file.`
`20:57.31`	`cladhaire`	`i uplaoded the wrong one then`
`20:57.45`	`sysrage`	`ooh. new clique?`
`20:57.48`	`cladhaire`	`npo`
`20:57.51`	`cladhaire`	`critical bugfix =0`
`20:57.53`	`Cairenn`	`ugh`
`20:57.57`	`sysrage`	`best mod ever`
`20:58.02`	`sysrage`	`well no. but it rocks`
`20:58.58`	`Kirov`	`I introduced a friend of mine to Clique recently... he used to say SAS and STranq were the best mods ever made, now he ranks Clique above it.`
`20:59.15`	`Kirov`	`So, f__k you clad for stealing one of my fans. ;)`
`20:59.15`	`Xolan[EU]`	`clique > all ;)`
`20:59.19`	`cladhaire`	`lol`
`20:59.41`	`Xolan[EU]`	`saved my arse after castparty got stuck`
`21:00.09`	`Kirov`	`Honestly though, whenever a healer bitches about the 2.0 changes I point them to Clique`
`21:00.21`	`cladhaire`	`heheh well i appreciaet the feedback =)`
`21:00.24`	`Kirov`	`and they quiet down.`
`21:00.26`	`sysrage`	`or a decurser`
`21:00.26`	`Xolan[EU]`	`and Grid or perfectraid :)`
`21:00.34`	`Tain`	`So which was it that got the Clique update out there, cladhaire? The hate mail, or the sexual favors? :)`
`21:00.52`	`cladhaire`	`Tain: the PerfectRaid update?`
`21:00.53`	`pastamancer`	`praid is looking nice, looking at the code right now ;)`
`21:00.59`	`cladhaire`	`hehe i did it to spite the assholes in my forums`
`21:01.01`	`Tain`	`oh`
`21:01.02`	`cladhaire`	`more than anything =)`
`21:01.02`	`Tain`	`uh`
`21:01.03`	`Kirov`	`Tain - sexual favors from wow geeks? ew`
`21:01.03`	`cladhaire`	`and I was on vacation`
`21:01.05`	`Tain`	`Yeah that.`
`21:01.09`	`cladhaire`	`so I needed something to PVP with =)`
`21:01.12`	`cladhaire`	`and i'm PICKY as a healer :P`
`21:01.15`	`cladhaire`	`i need my shit!`
`21:01.26`	`cladhaire`	`is \| a special character in lua patterns?`
`21:01.33`	`Xolan[EU]`	`hm`
`21:01.33`	`cladhaire`	`pipe, for those of you who can't se =)`
`21:01.40`	`Kirov`	`cladhaire - not in lua, no`
`21:01.43`	`cladhaire`	`thx`
`21:01.46`	`pastamancer`	`no, you can't use alternations :(`
`21:01.54`	`Tain`	`Hey Clique almost got me to start a healer. But I got over it.`
`21:02.06`	`cladhaire`	`hahah`
`21:02.42`	`sysrage`	`i tried healing once.`
`21:02.50`	`sysrage`	`i picked my facial expression and almost picked a name`
`21:03.10`	`sysrage`	`then gave up`
`21:03.10`	`Xolan[EU]`	`it's good for any caster really`
`21:03.14`	`Tain`	`Healor was taken when I tried so I gave up.`
`21:03.16`	`Xolan[EU]`	`as long as you're comfterble with your mouse`
`21:03.28`	`sysrage`	`heh`
`21:12.32`	`Xolan[EU]`	`hm is there an unofficial mod dev server for europeans?`
`21:12.53`	`zenzelezz`	`eh?`
`21:13.07`	`foxlit`	`Not outside beta, as far as I'm aware.`
`21:13.25`	`Xolan[EU]`	`kk`
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`21:21.51`	`Xolan[EU]`	`eh... wowwiki's drunk :P`
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`21:33.58`	`Tuller`	`bleh, I want more dongle examples, at least any that take into account some sort of versioning`
`21:34.16`	`cladhaire`	`such as?`
`21:34.20`	`cladhaire`	`heh`
`21:34.37`	`cladhaire`	`Dongle.lua and DongleUtil.lua are the only versioned libs at the moment.`
`21:35.01`	`Kirov`	`Tuller - erm, look at Iriel's example, or what Ace2 uses?`
`21:35.12`	`cladhaire`	`they're all the same scheme`
`21:35.22`	`cladhaire`	`Dongle's being much closer to iriels, but a bit more manual right now.`
`21:35.31`	`Tuller`	`yeah that's what I was thinking`
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`22:01.11`	`Tem`	`I require a bowl game to watch`
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`22:04.34`	`zenzelezz`	`hullo`
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`22:10.57`	`Xolan[EU]`	`well that was wierd then`
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`22:11.49`	`zenzelezz`	`who's messing up Cairenn's connection :-o`
`22:12.02`	`Cairenn`	`dunno, but it's driving me bonkers`
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`22:17.42`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Is there a better way to determine an itemname/itemlink on inspect than GameToolTip with GetName() ?`
`22:18.13`	`Maldivia`	`GetInventoryItemLink("target", index)?`
`22:19.09`	`Maldivia`	`or rather slotId, instead of index`
`22:19.32`	`Kirov`	`itemName = GetItemInfo(GetInventoryItemLink("target", invSlot) or 0);`
`22:21.14`	`Maldivia`	`not much happening here tonight`
`22:21.48`	`Xolan[EU]`	`nope not really`
`22:22.02`	`Xolan[EU]`	`I could ask lots of questions but I'm trying without :P`
`22:22.08`	`Maldivia`	`hehe`
`22:22.21`	`Kirov`	`itemName = string.match(GetInventoryItemLink("target", invSlot) or "", "\[(.*)\]") also works`
`22:22.54`	`Kirov`	`Not sure which is faster since string.match is usually fairly slow in comparison to c func calls`
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`22:34.24`	`cogwheel`	`weeeee`
`22:34.43`	`End`	`netsplit oh noes!`
`22:34.43`	`Kirov`	`damn, cog beat me`
`22:34.43`	`cogwheel`	`glad i joined the channel in time for that :P`
`22:34.43`	`Tuller`	`hah, someone added the ability to view other players back to bagnon :)`
`22:35.04`	`cogwheel`	`anyway.... anyone have any experience writing iterators for generic for? I'm having some trouble myself... http://wowi.pastey.net/4389`
`22:35.13`	`zenzelezz`	`Tuller: how?`
`22:35.30`	`Tuller`	`zenzelezz: well I have most of the code implemented, it was basically just add a UI for it`
`22:35.39`	`Tuller`	`the guy's version is on curse`
`22:35.57`	`zenzelezz`	`didn't answer my question... does the other guy have to have the addon too?`
`22:36.39`	`Tuller`	`your other players`
`22:36.40`	`Kirkburn`	`Anyone got Day of the Dragon to hand?`
`22:36.41`	`Tuller`	`not other people`
`22:37.12`	`zenzelezz`	`oh, I see`
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`22:37.26`	`zenzelezz`	`suppose there could be a use for that`
`22:37.29`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`players ~= characters`
`22:37.54`	`zenzelezz`	`now I'm just confused`
`22:38.05`	`zenzelezz`	`it's not other "people", how can it be someone else then?`
`22:38.06`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`blame Tuller.`
`22:38.51`	`Tuller`	`cogwheel: http://www.lua.org/pil/7.3.html that's about as helpful as I can be`
`22:39.18`	`End`	`cogwhell, shouldn't you be returning the result on line 11?`
`22:39.27`	`End`	`s/cogwhell/cogwheel/`
`22:40.28`	`cogwheel`	`End: no... that's a closure that it's returning (that's all one return statement... i spread it to multiple lines for readability)`
`22:40.28`	`End`	`ok, so how is the retturn on line 26 useful?`
`22:40.41`	`Maldivia`	`cogwheel: End is right`
`22:40.54`	`End`	`your iterator will always return nil`
`22:40.55`	`Tuller`	`the only thing I can say is that you need to not be creating functions like that :)`
`22:41.07`	`cogwheel`	`oh... i see what you're saying`
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`22:47.26`	`Xolan[EU]`	`hm is there a mod that identifies frame names (like MoveAnything or DFM)?`
`22:47.28`	`Xolan[EU]`	`nothing else`
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`22:49.49`	`Maldivia`	`put the mouse cursor over the frame, and run a macro with: /run message(GetMouseFocus():GetName())`
`22:49.56`	`Maldivia`	`and you'll get a box with the name of the frame`
`22:50.06`	`Xolan[EU]`	`oo nifty, cheers`
`22:50.20`	`Kirov`	`you can also get DevTools and use the frame scanner`
`22:51.01`	`Maldivia`	`yeah, that's nice aswell :)`
`22:51.03`	`Xolan[EU]`	`great works like a charm :)`
`22:52.35`	`End`	`DevTools tells you framelevel and whatnot too :)`
`22:52.57`	`Xolan[EU]`	`cool :)`
`22:53.09`	`Xolan[EU]`	`I'm still working with very basic xml though so`
`22:54.05`	`zenzelezz`	`DevTools - Spy++ for WoW`
`22:54.14`	`Maldivia`	`well, DevTools is almost a must for wow addon development`
`22:54.47`	`Maldivia`	`:)`
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`22:57.03`	`Xolan[EU]`	`yep`
`22:57.21`	`Xolan[EU]`	`I was disconnected eariler while still being here so I couldn't log back on`
`23:03.06`	`Kirkburn`	`Note the icon top left on http://www.wowwiki.com :D`
`23:03.36`	`zenzelezz`	`neat :-)`
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`23:06.52`	`Xolan[EU]`	`is there a way to make a fake raid kinda?`
`23:07.53`	`Maldivia`	`for testing purpose only - yes, by hooking the GetRaidRosterInfo and GetNumRaidMembers methods`
`23:07.56`	`cogwheel`	`Hook all the raid-related functions and make them return the values you want...`
`23:07.59`	`Maldivia`	`but much easier: join an AV`
`23:08.18`	`Xolan[EU]`	`with a level 1 warlock? :P`
`23:08.21`	`Qshadowp`	`AV Ftw \o/`
`23:08.21`	`Qshadowp`	`lol`
`23:08.43`	`Maldivia`	`75% of the times I'm in AV, it's because I need a raid to test some addon stuff with :)`
`23:09.13`	`Xolan[EU]`	`yep, problem is I'm working with a fresh account. The highest level char is a level10 hunter :P`
`23:10.44`	`Maldivia`	`heh. ok`
`23:11.31`	`Xolan[EU]`	`so this hooking is really really complex and stuff and I shouldn't get into that quite yet should I...?`
`23:11.56`	`pastamancer`	`hooking, like piming, ain't easy`
`23:12.01`	`pastamancer`	`s/piming/pimping/`
`23:13.30`	`Xolan[EU]`	`WSG it is. 10 is more than 1 :)`
`23:15.02`	`Maldivia`	`well, faking an entire raid, requires quite a lot of work`
`23:15.12`	`Xolan[EU]`	`yep thought so`
`23:15.15`	`Maldivia`	`there are a lot of functions that need to be replaced, to fool the system`
`23:15.28`	`Xolan[EU]`	`level 10 is sufficient for WSG though so I guess that'll have to do`
`23:15.55`	`Maldivia`	`or just make 9 characters, and get a friend to create a raid, and invite all 9 to it`
`23:16.09`	`Maldivia`	`people stay in raids, even if they log out`
`23:16.15`	`Xolan[EU]`	`yeah true`
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`23:20.03`	`Guillotine`	`Xolan: if you've done programming before, of any language, hooking isn't all that hard. But there are lots of things you need to replace`
`23:20.20`	`Guillotine`	`I'd suggest just joining WSG and offering to go on 'defense'`
`23:20.29`	`Guillotine`	`then you can spend 80% of the time coding`
`23:20.41`	`Xolan[EU]`	`yep`
`23:20.59`	`Xolan[EU]`	`only "programming" I've done before is in php and gml`
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`23:30.12`	`Mr_Rabies2\|away`	`http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZP7FXFFywy4 i feel like i've lost years of my life watching this 4 minute movie`
`23:30.15`	`Mr_Rabies2\|away`	`share in my pain`
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`23:45.22`	`Xolan[EU]`	`right I have a very simple thing going on, but it won't update my string onevent. If someone could have a look that would be great. http://wowi.pastey.net/4399`
`23:48.32`	`Xolan[EU]`	`the script works, but it won't launch the event or something`
`23:52.54`	`Xolan[EU]`	`bah, placed them in the wrong frame >.<`
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