irclog2html for #wowi-lounge on 20070103

`00:01.08`	`Xolan[EU]`	`is newline \|n or \n in lua?`
`00:01.30`	`Cairenn`	`\`
`00:01.37`	`Xolan[EU]`	`k`
`00:01.56`	`Xolan[EU]`	`confusing as I'm using \|n in the xml parts`
`00:02.05`	`Cairenn`	`nod`
`00:02.55`	`Xolan[EU]`	`and false being true kinda baffles me as well :P`
`00:05.35`	`JoshBork1`	`false isn't true`
`00:05.43`	`JoshBork1`	`false and nil are false, but everything else is true :)`
`00:05.49`	`Xolan[EU]`	`hm`
`00:05.57`	`sergio`	`it's so disappointing that the pink tallstrider has no cool abilities`
`00:09.20`	`Corrodias`	`false = true. it's true.`
`00:09.25`	`Corrodias`	`in BIZARRO WORLD`
`00:09.45`	`JoshBork1`	`ko, bye-o all`
`00:09.53`	`Cairenn`	`later JoshBorke`
`00:15.20`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge Matholum (i=Matholum@cpe-24-210-230-158.woh.res.rr.com)`
`00:16.37`	`Matholum`	`Can anyone help me with a UI question?`
`00:16.59`	`Corrodias`	`ROCK the casbah, ROCK the casbah`
`00:17.13`	`Cairenn`	`lol`
`00:17.35`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge MentalPower\|Code (i=chatzill@host-70-45-116-177.onelinkpr.net)`
`00:17.35`	`*** mode/#wowi-lounge [+v MentalPower\|Code] by ChanServ`
`00:19.03`	`Matholum`	`I am trying to show a picture in an addon i am making... but for somereason it only shows a green block... any help?`
`00:19.06`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge ven (n=ven@dynadsl-080-228-72-226.ewetel.net)`
`00:20.01`	`Xolan[EU]`	`http://wowi.pastey.net/4403 basically just looping through the raid members and adding them to a string. Problem is it doesn't stop when it's looped through the entire raid. So I end up with it looping the entire roster 3-4-5 times`
`00:20.28`	`Xolan[EU]`	`could someone have a quick peek at that?`
`00:22.16`	`Matholum`	`i am looking at it... one sec %_%`
`00:22.22`	`Matholum`	`oops... *** ^_^`
`00:25.07`	`Matholum`	`your for loop lookes messed up to me... you need a start, end, and step... so doesn't it have to be for i=1, i=GetNumRaidMembers(), i=i+1 do`
`00:25.21`	`cladhaire`	`t5hat's not how lua loops work`
`00:25.25`	`cladhaire`	`for i=1,GetNumRaidMembers()`
`00:25.30`	`cladhaire`	`do`
`00:25.34`	`Xolan[EU]`	`yep`
`00:25.44`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge Fridgid (i=Fridgid@24.96.171.248)`
`00:25.47`	`Xolan[EU]`	`it seems to run the entire thing 7 or so times tho`
`00:25.52`	`Matholum`	`really? well the site i am looking at says you need a step too`
`00:26.08`	`Tuller`	`cladhaire: that's me :)`
`00:26.12`	`Xolan[EU]`	`so a quick fix was to just empty the variable after each loop, but I know it's being run multiple times which is not good.`
`00:26.39`	`Matholum`	`(lua confuses me... -_- )`
`00:28.22`	`Matholum`	`sorry i was no help -_-....`
`00:28.27`	`Xolan[EU]`	`np :)`
`00:28.33`	`Xolan[EU]`	`worked out a quick fix so`
`00:28.37`	`Xolan[EU]`	`it'll do for now`
`00:28.40`	`Matholum`	`did you see my prob thou?`
`00:28.57`	`Xolan[EU]`	`if there's a green blob there the path usually is wrong`
`00:29.07`	`Xolan[EU]`	`or the texture's dimension isn't a power of 2`
`00:29.51`	`Matholum`	`well, i showed a pic that came from a different addon and it worked... the one i made though doesn't... and i converted it right too...`
`00:30.11`	`Matholum`	`what do you mean that the dimension isn't a power of 2?`
`00:30.25`	`cladhaire`	`32x128`
`00:30.30`	`cladhaire`	`sides both have to be powers oftwo`
`00:30.33`	`Xolan[EU]`	`width and height has to be 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, 64, 128, 256, 512 etc`
`00:30.43`	`Xolan[EU]`	`not above 512 though`
`00:30.53`	`VoidRaider\|away`	`and not below 32`
`00:30.56`	`Matholum`	`oh! i didn't know that! thanks.... hopefully that'll do it ^_^`
`00:31.08`	`Xolan[EU]`	`probably will :)`
`00:31.17`	`Matholum`	`nothing i read said that -_-`
`00:31.28`	`cladhaire`	`VoidRaider\|away: I've read nothing that says they have to be 32>`
`00:31.34`	`Matholum`	`btw, is it possible to just use tga files and not blp?`
`00:31.35`	`VoidRaider\|away`	`try :)`
`00:31.39`	`VoidRaider\|away`	`and you will see`
`00:31.42`	`Xolan[EU]`	`yep math`
`00:32.03`	`Matholum`	`oh, great ^_^ the conversion was stressing me out...`
`00:32.05`	`Xolan[EU]`	`24bit though`
`00:32.14`	`bleetah`	`for those who missed it: http://wow.warcry.com/news/view/67252-Virus-found-at-UI-Worldofwar-net-again`
`00:32.17`	`Xolan[EU]`	`with a alpha channel`
`00:32.34`	`Matholum`	`i will be right back... i am going to fix my pic and i will be back ^_^`
`00:33.09`	`bleetah`	`although, I advise to use firefox/privoxy/adblock instead of IE like that page suggests`
`00:33.49`	`Xolan[EU]`	`IE < all`
`00:35.36`	`Xolan[EU]`	`right, as I'm new to lua.... how are arrays (or tables) made?`
`00:36.06`	`Xolan[EU]`	`nvm`
`00:36.09`	`Xolan[EU]`	`wowwiki :)`
`00:36.17`	`Kirov`	`tablename = {}`
`00:36.23`	`Matholum`	`i <3 wowwikki ^_^`
`00:37.17`	`Kirov`	`tablename = { 1, 2, 3 }`
`00:37.17`	`Kirov`	`==`
`00:37.17`	`Kirov`	`tablename = {}`
`00:37.18`	`Kirov`	`tablename[1] = 1;`
`00:37.18`	`Kirov`	`tablename[2] = 2;`
`00:37.18`	`Kirov`	`tablename[3] = 3;`
`00:37.18`	`Kirov`	`(almost)`
`00:37.18`	`bleetah`	`of course, the other solution is to buy a Mac`
`00:37.26`	`bleetah`	`(re: virus, not table creation ;-)`
`00:37.42`	`Xolan[EU]`	`hm, and a quickie for two-dimensional arrays?`
`00:37.53`	`Kirov`	`you can also do tablename = { entry = "value", another = 100 };`
`00:37.53`	`Kirov`	`tablename = { {} }`
`00:38.03`	`Xolan[EU]`	`ah`
`00:38.14`	`Kirov`	`tablename = { subtable = {} }`
`00:38.18`	`Xolan[EU]`	`hm, too easy, that's always when I meat problems :P`
`00:38.22`	`Xolan[EU]`	`*meet...`
`00:38.30`	`Kirov`	`or tablename = {};`
`00:38.30`	`Kirov`	`tablename["subtable"] = {}`
`00:38.44`	`Xolan[EU]`	`k, neat :)`
`00:38.46`	`cladhaire`	`Kirov is a spammer!`
`00:38.46`	`Xolan[EU]`	`cheers`
`00:38.55`	`Kirov`	`or, to replicate tablename = {{}}`
`00:38.55`	`Kirov`	`tablename = {}`
`00:38.55`	`Kirov`	`tinsert(tablename, {})`
`00:38.56`	`Matholum`	`awsome! it worked.. i just have to get it to be transparent ^_^`
`00:39.02`	`Matholum`	`thank you!!!!`
`00:39.13`	`Xolan[EU]`	`you need to set the blend to alpha`
`00:39.22`	`Kirov`	`or ADD`
`00:39.26`	`Matholum`	`how do i do that? lol`
`00:40.02`	`Kirov`	`Matholum - are you using a 24 bit alpha or a 32 bit (with alpha) tga?`
`00:40.10`	`Kirov`	`er, 24 bit tga`
`00:40.25`	`Matholum`	`i thought i did a 32 w/ alpha.....`
`00:41.02`	`Matholum`	`do i have to remake the pic?`
`00:41.09`	`Kirov`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/AlphaMode`
`00:41.09`	`Kirov`	`texturename:SetBlendMode("BLEND")`
`00:41.21`	`Matholum`	`oh... thanks ^_^`
`00:41.26`	`Kirov`	`Alternatively, SetBlendMode("ADD")`
`00:41.34`	`cladhaire`	`...`
`00:41.45`	`cladhaire`	`now can someone explain to me how these subtitles ended up wrong?`
`00:41.45`	`cladhaire`	`http://youtube.com/watch?v=o9ODAW_sSIg`
`00:41.52`	`cladhaire`	`they're like.. horribly wrong too`
`00:43.06`	`Kirov`	`romba ?`
`00:43.38`	`cladhaire`	`I mean what may I We're thinking on the day. We've conjured up more mana me and Romba look so gay`
`00:43.39`	`cladhaire`	`..`
`00:43.42`	`cladhaire`	`like seriously`
`00:44.01`	`cladhaire`	`if you're going to sub a video, don't you think you should be able to speak the english language?`
`00:44.56`	`Tain`	`And deprive the English speaking world of these gems?`
`00:45.17`	`cladhaire`	`=)`
`00:45.38`	`Matholum`	`ok... when i did the SetBlendMode()... it went back to green -_`
`00:45.44`	`Matholum`	`** -_-`
`00:45.55`	`Kirov`	`Matholum - try "ADD"`
`00:46.04`	`Matholum`	`it did it too...`
`00:46.22`	`cladhaire`	`Now this is a subtitle job done right, they even got the gnomes: http://youtube.com/watch?v=fi4jpafu5z0&mode=related&search=`
`00:46.38`	`Kirov`	`yeah, was watching that one right now`
`00:46.57`	`cladhaire`	`not that i needed subtitles.. but i wanted to hear the song.. and i .. just had to see =)`
`00:46.58`	`Matholum`	`ok... nevermind... i think i know what i did... one sec`
`00:46.58`	`Kirov`	`I love the gnomes`
`00:47.02`	`*** part/#wowi-lounge Xolan[EU] (n=Xolan[EU@217-104-65.521110.adsl.tele2.no)`
`00:47.07`	`cladhaire`	`Tem is jealous that he doesn't have gnome backup singers`
`00:47.10`	`cladhaire`	`or that was my boyfriend`
`00:47.12`	`cladhaire`	`some mage i know =)`
`00:48.13`	`Matholum`	`ok.. the pic is showing, i think i just have to remake the picture... but i have a new question...`
`00:48.28`	`Matholum`	`can you show a pic through code?`
`00:48.36`	`Kirov`	`code?`
`00:48.55`	`Tain`	`I'd like having sammich-making gnomes.`
`00:49.13`	`cladhaire`	`zomg excited`
`00:49.14`	`cladhaire`	`http://www.apple.com/`
`00:49.19`	`cladhaire`	`WHATS BEHIND THE APPLE?`
`00:49.35`	`bleetah`	`a crappy phone`
`00:49.44`	`Tain`	`I bet they're releasing a new Banana Jr. 2000`
`00:49.44`	`Matholum`	`i want to make it to where every time something happens a pic is shown... but it could be any # of them at one time`
`00:50.08`	`Matholum`	`is there code to ADD a texture?`
`00:50.50`	`cladhaire`	`yes`
`00:51.10`	`Matholum`	`where can i find that? wowwikki?`
`00:51.39`	`Kirov`	`Steve Jobs' forehead`
`00:51.47`	`cladhaire`	`yes,`
`00:52.09`	`cladhaire`	`local texture = frame:CreateTexture("TextureName", "LEVELNAME", "InheritSomeTemplateMaybe")`
`00:52.36`	`cladhaire`	`texture:SetTexture("Some\\Texture\\Here") texture:SetPoint(... set some points here...)`
`00:52.41`	`Tain`	`You can't create something from nothing! It's the law of conversation of ... textures.`
`00:52.50`	`Matholum`	`Thank you so much! i have been working on this for over a day and have gotten nowhere!`
`00:53.12`	`Matholum`	`lol...`
`00:55.39`	`cladhaire`	`if the frame already has a size, then texture:SetAllPoint() will make it the same size as the frame`
`00:57.19`	`Kirkburn`	`Y'know what I just found out ... the price of Vista Ultimate:`
`00:57.33`	`Kirkburn`	`US: $379.99`
`00:57.33`	`Kirkburn`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:57.59`	`Kirkburn`	`The UK price is almost twice that of that in the US :/`
`00:58.32`	`Kirkburn`	`I mean, what in the hell do they think they're playing at?`
`00:59.23`	`bleetah`	`Kirkburn: you know of the syndrome where one shops to alleviate personal pain and suffering...`
`00:59.41`	`Kirkburn`	`heh`
`00:59.43`	`Tain`	`Retail therapy`
`00:59.44`	`Kirkburn`	`Yeah, so I'm importing`
`00:59.52`	`bleetah`	`retail therapy, that's it.. thx tain`
`01:00.06`	`Tain`	`I'm quite intimate with the concept.`
`01:00.30`	`Kirkburn`	`The price for Office 2007 is more reasonable`
`01:00.39`	`bleetah`	`I ain't going near Vista until SP2`
`01:00.44`	`Kirkburn`	`(in fact the Home edition is even licensed for use on three PCs)`
`01:00.57`	`Kirkburn`	`More fool you`
`01:01.18`	`Corrodias`	`yeah, you should be on the cutting edge like the rest of us`
`01:01.19`	`Kirkburn`	`I've seen so many people say that, it means nothing`
`01:01.33`	`cladhaire`	`Mac OS X is $99`
`01:01.36`	`cladhaire`	`=)`
`01:01.42`	`Corrodias`	`microsoft doesn't have a great track record of getting it right the first time`
`01:01.49`	`Corrodias`	`although i'd be satisfied with sp1`
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`01:02.13`	`Kirkburn`	`£87.99 here`
`01:02.16`	`Kirkburn`	`sigh`
`01:02.24`	`cladhaire`	`yeah so`
`01:02.29`	`cladhaire`	`i'm NOT looking forward to that about the UK.`
`01:02.39`	`bleetah`	`MS stability/usability pattern... W95 => OEMSP2, W98 => SP2, WinME => ?? (after XP came out)... WinXP => somewhere between SP1 and SP2 ... seeing a pattern here?`
`01:02.40`	`Kirkburn`	`Most things really aren't more expensive`
`01:03.08`	`Kirkburn`	`But for some commodities, the companies take advantage of our 'island' status`
`01:03.17`	`bleetah`	`same with OSX, and Linux release kernels... stuff breaks(tm) in ways unseen in betas`
`01:03.22`	`Kirkburn`	`Because it costs soooo much to cross the channel :/`
`01:03.32`	`Tain`	`WinME < Win95`
`01:03.33`	`bleetah`	`and any other s/w... I just can't be buggered dealing with MS bugs as well as my own foo ;)`
`01:03.59`	`Kirkburn`	`Oh I wonder why I bother when there's so much random MS hatred around`
`01:04.12`	`Tain`	`It's hip to hate Microsoft.`
`01:04.16`	`Kirkburn`	`aye`
`01:04.18`	`bleetah`	`it's not just MS I hate... I ain't biased. I hate all vedors equally.`
`01:04.25`	`Kirkburn`	`lol`
`01:04.31`	`Tain`	`Which is a shame because there are plenty of legitimate reasons, people just don't choose them.`
`01:05.59`	`Kirkburn`	`I will say, I think Vista will be safe to use from release day`
`01:06.11`	`Kirkburn`	`By which I mean Jan 30th`
`01:07.05`	`Kirkburn`	`(it's been on general pirate release for ages, and very very few vulnerabilities have been found)`
`01:07.57`	`bleetah`	`might it be that some of the 'serious' flaws that the crackers know of, are being held back until release?`
`01:08.21`	`Tain`	`No, they don't generally have that kind of patience or restraint.`
`01:09.07`	`Tain`	`Most are more interested in showing up MS in public, with just a small amount who try to benefit monetarily from exploits.`
`01:09.49`	`Matholum`	`ah! i got my pic to do alpha, but black is gone and i wanted white -_-`
`01:13.21`	`Kirkburn`	`bleetah, I have to say I disagree with the 'stability' thing. Vista is more stable/usable than XP, whatever service pack. I can't imagine anyone describing Win 98 SP2 (or Me) as better than Win XP release`
`01:13.51`	`Kirkburn`	`Well I can _imagine_ it :P`
`01:14.03`	`Kirkburn`	`Cause I'm sure someone is about to tell me it ;)`
`01:14.16`	`Kirkburn`	`Matholum, what's the problem?`
`01:15.23`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge asshopo (n=PaulH@d14-69-9-50.try.wideopenwest.com)`
`01:15.55`	`asshopo`	`can I load a mod (my own) that Ive placed in my addon directory after I load the game?`
`01:16.15`	`Matholum`	`well... i can't figure out how to make white transparent.... it did it as black when i set the mode to ADD... did i do the alpha channel backwards?`
`01:16.29`	`Kirov`	`I don't know why Windows ME even exists`
`01:17.18`	`Kirov`	`It's Windows 98 + Windows 98 se - bugfixes`
`01:17.26`	`Matholum`	`oh!!! i did MOD blend and it worked!`
`01:17.54`	`Kirov`	`The first time I ever used a Windows ME system I opened up Notepad and it bluescreened.`
`01:18.07`	`Matholum`	`lolol..... i hate ME`
`01:19.19`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge Osagasu (n=Kronus@208.104.156.29)`
`01:19.26`	`Kirov`	`My mom's computer was running Windows 95, I told her to upgrade to XP. She started having issues shortly afterwards and couldn't figure out a reason why. Last time I was at her place I booted up her machine, saw Windows ME, quickly unplugged the computer and told her to "Fucking buy XP"`
`01:19.40`	`asshopo`	`can you load a addon after you have loaded wow? I really dont want to have to sit in a queue of 400`
`01:19.51`	`Kirov`	`asshopo - yes and no`
`01:20.06`	`Kirov`	`asshopp - if the addon was in the filesystem at the time Wow started, you can load it.`
`01:20.11`	`Kirov`	`If it didn't you'll have to exit wow.`
`01:20.23`	`asshopo`	`meh, that sucks`
`01:20.28`	`Kirov`	`However, if you quit wow and quickly restart it you shouldn't loose you're spot.`
`01:20.34`	`asshopo`	`hrm, ok`
`01:20.35`	`Kirov`	`If you want to ensure it, alt+f4 out`
`01:20.47`	`asshopo`	`sweet, thanks`
`01:21.20`	`Kirov`	`As long as you log back on to your server (to the character select screen) in 5-10 minutes you should still have your place`
`01:21.53`	`asshopo`	`it worked`
`01:21.55`	`asshopo`	`thanks much`
`01:22.10`	`asshopo`	`trying to learn lua :) I want to take over a project that got dumped`
`01:22.21`	`Matholum`	`i g2g... Thank you all for the help!!!`
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`01:23.42`	`Kirov`	`asshopo - which one, if I might ask`
`01:24.16`	`Tain`	`CT_RaidAssist`
`01:24.18`	`asshopo`	`alt-f4 and logging back in`
`01:24.32`	`Kirov`	`no, which project`
`01:24.40`	`asshopo`	`ohh`
`01:24.43`	`asshopo`	`gatherershare`
`01:24.46`	`Kirov`	`ah`
`01:24.57`	`asshopo`	`Im a developer by trade, so its just learning the syntax`
`01:25.01`	`Tain`	`Hey! That's my addon! how dare you!`
`01:25.12`	`Tain`	`I'm lying, I've never heard of it.`
`01:25.17`	`asshopo`	`hhehehe`
`01:25.20`	`Kirov`	`www.wowwiki.com is your friend`
`01:25.21`	`asshopo`	`had me worried for a second`
`01:25.27`	`Tain`	`Good luck with it. :)`
`01:25.30`	`asshopo`	`ya, thats where Ive gotten info so far`
`01:25.32`	`asshopo`	`thanks!`
`01:25.55`	`Kirkburn`	`Kirov, I have to say I agree about Me - WinMe upgrades were a mess. No-one bought a full version, so no-one knows what it was like stable :P`
`01:26.11`	`Tain`	`No no, I installed clean WinME. It was a mess.`
`01:26.20`	`Kirkburn`	`www.wowwiki.com is even more so your friend now I got Rustak to fix the bloomin icon ;)`
`01:26.31`	`Kirkburn`	`Tain, ouch, it's worse than I thought!`
`01:27.03`	`Tain`	`I specifically did a couple clean installs because I figured it must have had problems upgrading. Nope, it was just chock full of problems.`
`01:27.18`	`Kirov`	`Kirkburn - yay, no more orc!`
`01:27.33`	`Kirkburn`	`I believe you, I really, really do :(`
`01:27.43`	`Kirkburn`	`Kirov, god yeah!`
`01:28.01`	`Kirkburn`	`Rustak has joined us on the wowwiki irc channel :D`
`01:28.03`	`Kirov`	`Though, I'd be nice if the WoWWiki logo matched`
`01:28.17`	`Kirov`	`but now I'm just nitpicking`
`01:28.25`	`Kirkburn`	`Never happy, are you :P`
`01:28.36`	`End`	`happiness is overrated`
`01:29.29`	`Kirov`	`Some ass broke my car's window to steal a buck in change from my car, so I have good reason to not be.`
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`01:31.16`	`Kirkburn`	`Kirov, bastard!`
`01:34.31`	`kaso`	`~seen maldivia`
`01:34.37`	`purl`	`maldivia <i=the_real@85.24.43.225> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 2h 18m 28s ago, saying: 'people stay in raids, even if they log out'.`
`01:34.50`	`kaso`	`damnit missed him`
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`01:49.10`	`Tain`	`A woman I work with said today that her daughter told her that she doesn't believe in Santa Claus anymore because he didn't bring her a Wii.`
`01:49.29`	`Cairenn`	`so sad (read pathetic)`
`01:49.53`	`Tain`	`I don't even know how to process it in my head.`
`01:51.14`	`kaso`	`santa is busy he doesnt have time to queue at 12:00 for a wii :>`
`01:52.15`	`Corrodias`	`daughter tries to blackmail mother, news at 11`
`01:52.18`	`Tain`	`I know she doesn't understand it at all, she doesn't believe in television and convinced her daughter to trade in a portable DVD player that she got from an aunt for Christmas.`
`01:53.07`	`Corrodias`	`how can you not believe in television? i mean, santa i can see, since he never appears, but a television is a provable product. you can see them in any wal-mart.`
`01:53.29`	`Kirov`	`I don't believe in wal-mart`
`01:53.43`	`Tain`	`Walmart is imaginary.`
`01:54.01`	`bleetah`	`"Hey Santa Claus you #$% where's my *&#$ing bike?"`
`01:54.07`	`Kirov`	`After living in florida for 2 years, I've decided it's impossible that they exist.`
`01:55.17`	`Corrodias`	`"Vista is more stable/usable than XP, whatever service pack." -- being more STABLE is going to be tough, because i can only think of three things that can hurt my windows`
`01:55.46`	`Corrodias`	`hardware errors, bad drivers, and GTA:SA's mysterious ability to cause a hard lock`
`01:55.58`	`Corrodias`	`i might be able to crash it intentionally, but i've never tried`
`01:55.58`	`bleetah`	`cladhaire: whatever you investigate and turn up (re: doc/pod etc.), if you can come up with some way to convince all serious mod author groups that 'this way is a good thing', I'm all for it ;)`
`01:56.01`	`Tain`	`Windows on its own is very stable. It's pesky things like drivers, and applications that cause trouble.`
`01:56.37`	`cladhaire`	`bleetah: hehe`
`01:56.43`	`Corrodias`	`i'm just amazed that Rockstar managed to make SA so buggy`
`01:57.15`	`Tain`	`Removing Hot Coffee had far-reaching implications.`
`01:57.47`	`Corrodias`	`it must have caused shockwaves of nonsense to go back into the past and screw up the source code`
`01:59.19`	`Tain`	`It also caused Rockstar to go back in time and meet its mom.`
`02:01.00`	`Corrodias`	`that reminds me, i intentionally have my IRC client report that it's a version of mIRC that's vulnerable to a DCC-related disconnection exploit just for kicks`
`02:07.53`	`bleetah`	`damnit, ravenholdt has queues now :(`
`02:08.09`	`Corrodias`	`hurry up and get TBC out so i can start playing my BE mage`
`02:08.14`	`Corrodias`	`i hate trolls >_<`
`02:08.46`	`Corrodias`	`yes, you! take personal responsibility and make Blizzard release the thing sooner!`
`02:09.33`	`Mikma`	`bleetah: http://matin.maapallo.org/kuvatuuppari/ctrlaltdel/843/20061227.jpg`
`02:11.34`	`Tain`	`Actually I wouldn't mind if TBC got pushed out a little, I promised to play again with people when TBC launched.`
`02:11.44`	`bleetah`	`Mikma: http://www.songlyrics.com/song-lyrics/Kevin_Bloody_Wilson/Miscellaneous/Christmas_Song/61379.html << not for those easily offended`
`02:12.23`	`Corrodias`	`firefox's attempts to block popups appear to be futile`
`02:12.40`	`Corrodias`	`how hard is it to "not open a new tab" unless i click on something personally?`
`02:13.34`	`bleetah`	`firefox + adblock + privoxy = no popups.. can't remember last time I saw one, or most banner ads for that matter`
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`02:19.52`	`Corrodias`	`"The Level 2 Software Support Engineer is responsible for (i) providing excellent customer support including responding to reported incidents; ..." -- funny how they never want -mediocre- support. i could pull that off.`
`02:20.47`	`cogwheel`	`it's funny how you always get mediocre support...`
`02:24.30`	`Tain`	`You know I worked retail for a few years and I never acted like the people who work in stores today. Bunch of assholes.`
`02:24.48`	`Tain`	`No one anywhere cares about support anymore, anywhere.`
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`02:25.31`	`Bouvi`	`And I am back. Party can continue...`
`02:25.51`	`bleetah`	`they care, tain, insofar as the support renewal contract`
`02:26.00`	`bleetah`	`provide minimum support so the contract will get renewed`
`02:26.16`	`cogwheel`	`I don't care about customer service... we sell all our inventory every release long before the orders stop coming in... :P`
`02:26.37`	`Tain`	`I never got support from any software vendor. The only way I got support was complaining to our sales rep.`
`02:27.08`	`bleetah`	`bleet's 4 rules of CS: 1) The customer is always right 2) don't tell the customer rules 2 & 3 3) the customer, and you manager, are idiots`
`02:27.13`	`bleetah`	`*3 rules`
`02:27.32`	`Corrodias`	`that about sums it up`
`02:27.42`	`bleetah`	`er, yours.. to. never try a nude run in durotar and type in IRC simultaneously`
`02:27.55`	`Tain`	`I'm slightly afraid to go to work tomorrow, I'm upgrading Java on about 1500 workstations tonight.`
`02:28.03`	`Corrodias`	`nude runs are even better with nude mods`
`02:28.06`	`Tain`	`And if that doesn't cause problems, another 4000 tomorrow night.`
`02:28.14`	`Fisker-`	`Heh`
`02:28.18`	`Fisker-`	`java not causing problems`
`02:28.20`	`Fisker-`	`good luck with that`
`02:28.27`	`Tain`	`I know. :(`
`02:28.31`	`cogwheel`	`does that mean you can tell your manager that they're an idiot?`
`02:28.42`	`Corrodias`	`well, Tain, i've not had problems upgrading the java R..whatever, runtime binaries on a computer`
`02:28.55`	`Tain`	`I don't think I've not had problems.`
`02:29.14`	`Bouvi`	`I have. Told the owner of the company that a time or two. Then I shot him in the head. When he respawned I shot him again. The owner of the company dies so easily in Call of Duty`
`02:29.24`	`Corrodias`	`that surprises me... it doesn't seem like a complex process, unless the software that -uses- java doesn't work with the new version`
`02:29.35`	`Tain`	`That's the problem, Corrodias`
`02:29.39`	`cogwheel`	`Bouvi: :P`
`02:29.50`	`Tain`	`Working with banks they are almost never on current software.`
`02:30.15`	`Tain`	`I think we don't have any dependancies on Java 1.3.x. anymore`
`02:30.22`	`Corrodias`	`haha`
`02:31.10`	`Corrodias`	`now, i would -think- that a java program would automatically run on the VM version it was written for, if that version is available on the machine.`
`02:31.13`	`Corrodias`	`but i doubt it's designed that way.`
`02:31.35`	`Corrodias`	`something tells me it just runs on the default JRE no matter how many you have installed`
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`02:31.44`	`Tain`	`Yes and no, Corrodias.`
`02:31.55`	`Corrodias`	`yeah no?`
`02:32.05`	`Corrodias`	`does Sun exceed expectations, here?`
`02:32.13`	`Tain`	`The problem is there are incompatabilities between versions from 1.3, 1.4, 1.5`
`02:32.26`	`Tain`	`I haven't done anything with 1.6 so I don't know about that.`
`02:33.06`	`Corrodias`	`but you can have multiple versions of the JRE installed in different locations`
`02:33.40`	`Tain`	`Yes you can, but if an app doesn't specify the version it needs to run on it will on on the default. Which might not work.`
`02:34.03`	`Corrodias`	`wouldn't it be nice if they all specified their versions, eh?`
`02:34.07`	`cogwheel`	`are there any general design pattern libraries for Lua (specifically a fifo queue?)`
`02:34.08`	`Tain`	`Although to be fair I haven't personally seen any issues with 1.4 to 1.5 (and haven't looked at 1.6 at all) but there were a lot of issues from 1.2 to 1.3 to 1.4`
`02:34.08`	`Bouvi`	`You know the same If Then statement I used 22 years ago is the same one I use today. Sorry feeling nostolgic`
`02:34.43`	`Corrodias`	`a queue is a data structure, not a design pattern, but you get a cookie for effort! :D`
`02:34.49`	`Tain`	`10 Sin`
`02:34.52`	`Tain`	`20 Goto Hell`
`02:35.35`	`cogwheel`	`actually, the data structure is a table :P using a table as a queue requires certain functions to manipulate the table...`
`02:36.18`	`Tain`	`I don't believe in tables.`
`02:36.22`	`Corrodias`	`i'd favor linked lists for that`
`02:36.38`	`cogwheel`	`in lua? O.o`
`02:36.58`	`Corrodias`	`now, i don't know if the default Lua libraries have linked lists`
`02:37.02`	`cogwheel`	`tremove(1) + tinsert(item) are all i'd really need...`
`02:37.09`	`Tain`	`Tables are imaginary. Like the Easter Bunny`
`02:37.11`	`cogwheel`	`Corrodias: tables are the only data structure in lua`
`02:37.29`	`cogwheel`	`in fact....`
`02:37.37`	`Corrodias`	`so does tremove(1) move the index of the next item up to 1?`
`02:37.43`	`cogwheel`	`yep`
`02:37.43`	`Bouvi`	`15 If Sin < Evil Goto 30`
`02:37.46`	`Corrodias`	`then that's fine`
`02:37.47`	`Bouvi`	`30 Go to heaven`
`02:45.44`	`Tain`	`Cladhaire to the white courtesy phone please`
`02:46.27`	`Bouvi`	`I want to go flying :(`
`02:47.04`	`Bouvi`	`Costs too much to rent the planes thou`
`02:47.54`	`bleetah`	`The white zone is for immediate loading and unloading of passengers only. There is no stopping in a red zone.`
`02:47.58`	`Tain`	`That reminds me, I forgot I was supposed to check on airfare to Vegas.`
`02:48.13`	`Tain`	`bleetah: surely you must be kidding.`
`02:49.08`	`bleetah`	`No, the white zone is for loading. Now, there is no stopping in a red zone.`
`02:49.36`	`bleetah`	`damn, i messed that up`
`02:49.39`	`bleetah`	`sigh`
`02:49.41`	`Tain`	`I watched that just yesterday. One of the best movies, ever.`
`02:50.16`	`Corrodias`	`what?`
`02:50.22`	`Tain`	`oh fuck $158 roundtrip to Vegas? I'm gone.`
`02:50.30`	`Thunder_Child`	`bye`
`02:50.35`	`bleetah`	`tain: do you recall the line after "Now your husband and the others are alive, but unconscious."?`
`02:50.40`	`Corrodias`	`in the back of a mexican truck running from the law`
`02:50.44`	`Corrodias`	`no bathroom breaks`
`02:51.21`	`Tain`	`Actually no bleetah, I don't.`
`02:51.41`	`Tain`	`Oh fuck $118 round trip to Vegas`
`02:51.52`	`bleetah`	`"Just like Gerald Ford"... your timing is impecable`
`02:52.09`	`Thunder_Child`	`i think by this point your are spending more on gambleing than on flight...as it should be`
`02:52.14`	`Corrodias`	`what are you talking about?`
`02:52.36`	`Tain`	`That is insulting, Thunder_Child. I would never gamble. That money is for hookers.`
`02:52.44`	`Thunder_Child`	`my bad`
`02:52.52`	`Thunder_Child`	`but cant you get hookers where you are?`
`02:52.58`	`Bouvi`	`I can go to Vegas for approx $129!!!!`
`02:53.08`	`Tain`	`Of course I can! But I like Vegas.`
`02:53.11`	`Mikma`	`Tain: yay hookers! male or female hookers?`
`02:53.17`	`Thunder_Child`	`besides......i would say that hookers are gambleing as well...just in a different way`
`02:53.44`	`Tain`	`Mikma: Female! Or at least the pictures seem to be female...`
`02:54.15`	`Mikma`	`Tain: well wouldn't it be much better just to travel into texas to have some hoes? it's legal there?`
`02:54.37`	`Thunder_Child`	`it's leagal on the outskirts of vegas as well`
`02:54.41`	`Tain`	`Legal in specific parts of Nevada as well, about 45 miles outside of Vegas.`
`02:54.42`	`Thunder_Child`	`legal*`
`02:54.54`	`Bouvi`	`Vegas has the Star Trek Experience!!!`
`02:55.08`	`Tain`	`Star Trek Expereince is a ripoff`
`02:55.15`	`Tain`	`But dining at Quarks Bar isn't bad.`
`02:55.30`	`Bouvi`	`I liked it but then I did not pay for it`
`02:55.31`	`Tain`	`I had a "Warp Core Breach" the last time I was there, tasy drink.`
`02:58.35`	`Bouvi`	`You know I bet the Developer Discussion forum on wowinterface is only available to authors...`
`02:58.43`	`Bouvi`	`Is that true?`
`03:00.34`	`Corrodias`	`i love "dirty jobs" on the Discovery channel`
`03:01.00`	`Tain`	`I don't, I always worry I'll end up doing one of those jobs.`
`03:01.18`	`Corrodias`	`hey, some of those look kinda fun`
`03:02.45`	`Corrodias`	`ah, there's little tastier than a hard raspberry cider.`
`03:06.58`	`Guillotine`	`WTB free server transfer`
`03:07.04`	`Guillotine`	`d/c and 97 min queue :(`
`03:07.36`	`cogwheel`	`can you load a .toc from another .toc (e.g. for an embedded library)?`
`03:08.13`	`Guillotine`	`can't load a toc afaik`
`03:09.13`	`Corrodias`	`you can transfer on over to E'T but it's PvE and the transfer isn't free`
`03:09.21`	`Corrodias`	`and i don't want you to because then -we'll- have queues`
`03:23.58`	`Tman`	`anyone using wine to play WoW?`
`03:24.20`	`Tman`	`(linux thing)`
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`03:24.33`	`Thunder_Child`	`lots of ppl whineing about wow....does that count?`
`03:24.43`	`Tman`	`I've had serious performance hits recently..`
`03:24.55`	`Tman`	`Thunder_Child: ehe.. no but it's true :p`
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`03:39.43`	`clad\|airport`	`Tain: The phone wasn't working`
`03:39.49`	`clad\|airport`	`I just got a telegram, whats up?`
`03:41.29`	`Tain`	`Oh crap. Stop. I don't know how to read telegrams. Stop.`
`03:42.01`	`Thunder_Child`	`Tains an ass. stop.`
`03:42.13`	`Mikma`	`stop that. stop.`
`03:42.21`	`Tain`	`Ass is as ass does.`
`03:42.48`	`Thunder_Child`	`what..shit?`
`03:46.59`	`Malivil`	`o.O`
`03:47.00`	`Malivil`	`lol`
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`03:55.39`	`Tuller`	`hrm, yes`
`03:56.54`	`Guill\|DamQueue`	`<PROTECTED>`
`03:56.56`	`Cairenn`	`weirdos`
`03:57.20`	`Industrial`	`:P`
`03:57.50`	`Industrial`	`i wish there was a site without any crap that wants you to buy things or register software`
`03:57.53`	`Industrial`	`with flash games on it`
`03:57.57`	`Industrial`	`but not the sucky ones`
`03:58.02`	`Qshadowp`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9v0VdQuNoo&NR`
`03:58.09`	`Industrial`	`(wich is not orsinal)`
`03:58.11`	`Kirov`	`Guill\|DamQueue - World of Warcraft!`
`03:58.11`	`Qshadowp`	`lmao, everyone else has had more sex than me`
`03:58.17`	`Qshadowp`	`greatest video in the world \o/`
`03:58.46`	`Kirov`	`Guill\|DamQueue - get a second computer and another account and play an alt on another server while waiting for your main to get in`
`03:59.19`	`Guill\|DamQueue`	`not going to pay for another account just to play WoW during queue :P`
`03:59.20`	`Thunder_Child`	`or simply play the beta`
`03:59.26`	`Thunder_Child`	`on same/other comp`
`03:59.30`	`Guill\|DamQueue`	`ya, I was playing beta for the past1/2 hours`
`04:01.21`	`Qshadowp`	`lol i've started to play wow less recently`
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`04:04.07`	`Industrial`	`they say it starts at 60`
`04:04.19`	`Industrial`	`i have yet to get a 60 :(`
`04:04.21`	`[Cu]Werik`	`Farmcraft?`
`04:04.35`	`Guill\|DamQueue`	`1-60 is the most fun part`
`04:04.40`	`Industrial`	`every time i log in im where i left with the char`
`04:04.41`	`Guill\|DamQueue`	`after that its just grind`
`04:04.41`	`[Cu]Werik`	`It starts around lvl1, but it starts to shine at 60!`
`04:04.53`	`Industrial`	`sure thats mmo you say`
`04:05.02`	`Industrial`	`but i logged out cause of boredom`
`04:05.07`	`Industrial`	`how am i to start with boredom?`
`04:05.09`	`Industrial`	`:\`
`04:06.17`	`Industrial`	`so i roll another char`
`04:06.19`	`Industrial`	`:P`
`04:06.38`	`Industrial`	`bet ive seen more of the starting areas then anyone else :P`
`04:07.13`	`[Cu]Werik`	`I did that too for a while, but now, I'm already getting bored with finding a proper character name:P`
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`04:24.45`	`PProvost`	`Hello everyone`
`04:25.35`	`Industrial`	`lo`
`04:29.09`	`Tuller`	`hrm, that should replace my profiles code, hurrayish :)`
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`04:35.28`	`Qshadowp`	`Roses are #FF0000, Violets are #0000FF, All my base are belong to you.`
`04:35.30`	`Qshadowp`	`\o/`
`04:36.34`	`Thunder_Child`	`ya, thats a good t-shirt`
`04:39.38`	`Industrial`	`lol :D`
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`04:55.28`	`Thunder_Child`	`no really...it's a t-shirt`
`04:55.47`	`Cairenn`	`nod`
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`04:58.30`	`Thunder_Child`	`there is always HTTPanties http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/ladies/6792/`
`04:58.37`	`End`	`I suppose I could get myself the AV mount with all these freakin marks`
`04:59.21`	`End`	`I think the mark to honor ratio was probably "correct" before they nerfed honor output, but now everyone has marks out of their ears >_<`
`05:00.00`	`Imrcly`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:00.18`	`End`	`I have not enough honor and WAY too many marks`
`05:00.22`	`cogwheel`	`Thunder_Child: Customer Action Shots 4tw!`
`05:00.27`	`Thunder_Child`	`ya`
`05:03.38`	`Thunder_Child`	`see, this is what happens when penny-arcade becomes known http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/ladies/7415/`
`05:05.48`	`Shane__`	`anyone know of a good howto on CreateFrame?`
`05:07.38`	`cogwheel`	`really not much to it.... http://www.wowwiki.com/API_CreateFrame As long as you're familiar with the different widget types (Frame, Button, CheckButton, etc.) there's really not much more to learn`
`05:08.22`	`Corrodias`	`it's easy as long as you know everything about what you put on them!`
`05:08.27`	`Shane__`	`heh`
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`05:08.32`	`Shane__`	`well I dont I guess heh`
`05:09.05`	`Shane__`	`If I wanted to create a custom actionBar which would I use?`
`05:09.12`	`cogwheel`	`you might want to start out with an XML tutorial. It'll help you build a foundation for using CreateFrame. I really like http://fara.webeddie.com/frames/ (though it's slightly outdated)`
`05:09.24`	`Corrodias`	`plagiarism of bongos? ;)`
`05:09.44`	`Shane__`	`Well I already have working frames.. but I want to change their behavior and I am not sure how`
`05:09.44`	`cogwheel`	`Shane__: would this be your first project?`
`05:09.54`	`cogwheel`	`ah`
`05:10.31`	`Shane__`	`Right now I have a frame for each player in a group and any button assigned to a frame will only act on that group/player`
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`05:10.51`	`Shane__`	`but right now all buttons are shared.. i.e. if I put a spell on button1 of frame1 it shows up on all frames`
`05:10.56`	`Shane__`	`I am not sure how to break them apart`
`05:11.10`	`cogwheel`	`How are you creating the buttons?`
`05:12.13`	`Shane__`	`local btn = CreateFrame("CheckButton", "PartyFrame"..i.."PartyButton"..j, frame, "UnitButtonsTemplate")`
`05:13.23`	`cogwheel`	`Is UnitButtonsTemplate something you created or built-in?`
`05:13.53`	`Shane__`	`created, its in xml`
`05:14.38`	`cogwheel`	`mind pasteying it?`
`05:14.54`	`cogwheel`	`(just the part where you define the template would be sufficient)`
`05:15.40`	`Shane__`	`one second`
`05:23.00`	`Shane__`	`here is the lua uploading xml`
`05:23.03`	`Shane__`	`http://wowi.pastey.net/4420`
`05:23.14`	`MentalPower`	`gnight guys`
`05:23.21`	`Shane__`	`mind u this version is not fully functional as I am in the middle of rewritting part of it heh`
`05:24.21`	`cogwheel`	`oops... wife's almost off the phone :o) i'll see what i can do in the next couple minutes...`
`05:25.34`	`Shane__`	`http://wowi.pastey.net/4421`
`05:25.38`	`Shane__`	`np`
`05:26.39`	`cogwheel`	`Probably not a bug, but a redundancy: don't need the <OnLoad> for UnitButtonsTemplate since you're inheriting ActionBarButtonTemplate...`
`05:28.17`	`Shane__`	`k`
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`05:29.44`	`cogwheel`	`you're setting "unit" to a number...`
`05:29.59`	`cogwheel`	`line 93 of the lua`
`05:30.11`	`SP\|Sorren`	`cogwheel, look what you've done to that virus thread :O`
`05:30.29`	`cogwheel`	`<.<`
`05:30.36`	`cogwheel`	`-_-`
`05:30.37`	`Shane__`	`cog - ya I just did that it used to be unit, unit`
`05:30.47`	`Shane__`	`and I had:`
`05:30.49`	`Shane__`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:30.49`	`Shane__`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:30.51`	`Shane__`	`above it`
`05:31.10`	`SP\|Sorren`	`people sure are defensive about Ace, it seems.`
`05:31.20`	`cogwheel`	`well, you wouldn't want to use pairs for one thing...`
`05:31.22`	`Shane__`	`I was in the middle of changing that part... but I admit I am not sure what the *unit, unit does`
`05:32.03`	`cogwheel`	`instead of indexing that table with the unit string, index it with numbers. then use ipairs().`
`05:32.49`	`Shane__`	`example?`
`05:32.54`	`cogwheel`	`actually, you don't even need a table like that...`
`05:32.58`	`cogwheel`	`one sec...`
`05:33.20`	`cogwheel`	`my mother-in-law confuses me... she can keep someone on the phone like no one i've ever seen...`
`05:35.04`	`Shane__`	`what I sent ya doesnt currently work obviously but this snipet of that same section did`
`05:35.06`	`Shane__`	`http://wowi.pastey.net/4422`
`05:37.48`	`cogwheel`	`http://wowi.pastey.net/4423`
`05:37.51`	`Shane__`	`I was in the process of trying to clean it up.. I was actully thinking I could get ride of using a table all together and just use if i = 1, 4 do ; var = var..i ; if j = 1, 12; do but I am a novious lua coder :)`
`05:38.00`	`cogwheel`	`especially line 8`
`05:38.13`	`cogwheel`	`and i removed the whole units table part above it`
`05:38.41`	`Shane__`	`yes! thats exactly what was I looking for but didn't know the syntax to achieve it :)`
`05:39.02`	`Shane__`	`I had something very similar to that before but I had units, i instead :)`
`05:39.08`	`cogwheel`	`also, some of your math needs to be fixed since the loops start at one`
`05:39.31`	`cogwheel`	`72+((i-1) * (j-1))`
`05:39.56`	`cogwheel`	`60 + i - 1 in the part above it...`
`05:40.20`	`Shane__`	`well, I want the buttons to start on 61, and 73`
`05:40.42`	`Shane__`	`i.e. first 5 bars of 12 are for another mod, last 60 buttons are for this one`
`05:41.19`	`Shane__`	`72 + (i * j) starts at 73 right?`
`05:41.28`	`Shane__`	`or am I being a bone head`
`05:42.35`	`cogwheel`	`yeah... but it would go 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84, 74 76 78 80 82 84 86 88 90 92 94 96`
`05:42.54`	`Shane__`	`yup then 108 then 120`
`05:43.00`	`Shane__`	`120 being the last button?`
`05:43.10`	`cogwheel`	`yep`
`05:43.16`	`Shane__`	`isnt that right?`
`05:43.58`	`cogwheel`	`no... you see? both bars have buttons 74, 76, 78, 80, 82, 84`
`05:44.07`	`cogwheel`	`s/buttons/actions/`
`05:44.15`	`Shane__`	`aww`
`05:44.18`	`Shane__`	`yes I do`
`05:44.40`	`Shane__`	`math never was my strong suit... thanks`
`05:45.02`	`cogwheel`	`gotta go`
`05:45.07`	`Shane__`	`thanks again`
`05:45.14`	`cogwheel`	`np :)`
`05:58.19`	`Guill\|DamQueue`	`hmm. need a name for my orc hunter`
`06:09.37`	`Industrial`	`go troll`
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`06:09.52`	`Industrial`	`better racials imho`
`06:10.03`	`Dhraga`	`Morning`
`06:10.12`	`Industrial`	`o`
`06:10.14`	`Industrial`	`lo`
`06:12.31`	`Kirov`	`Guillotine - name him Orca`
`06:13.12`	`Guillotine`	`Industrial: not for a hunter. + pet damage, +axes, +stun resistance, +attack`
`06:13.15`	`Corrodias`	`name him "orchunter"`
`06:14.01`	`Corrodias`	`don't think about racials. just think... "am i going to be happy looking like this forever?". that's why i can't play a mage with an existing horde race.`
`06:14.15`	`Guillotine`	`orc > troll`
`06:14.29`	`Guillotine`	`I'd be tauren, but I already have like... three`
`06:14.37`	`Corrodias`	`for my money, a troll would be better looking as a hunter`
`06:14.47`	`Corrodias`	`either gender`
`06:15.32`	`sergio`	`stun resist got nerfed down and your attack power buff mortal strikes you`
`06:15.57`	`sergio`	`nice!`
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`06:19.38`	`cogwheel`	`Shane__: i realized i was totally wrong :P`
`06:20.31`	`cogwheel`	`should be 73 + ((i - 1)*12) + j - 1`
`06:23.46`	`Shane__`	`heh ya I came to the same conclusion... I was trying to make it work then i realized i - 1 and j -1 on the first iteration is 0 x 0`
`06:24.08`	`Shane__`	`and then 1 x 0 2 x 0 etc. heh`
`06:24.11`	`cogwheel`	`well, it should still be 0x0`
`06:24.16`	`cogwheel`	`oh... yeah :P`
`06:24.30`	`Shane__`	`damn math`
`06:24.58`	`Shane__`	`so I am not sure what it should ne hehe`
`06:25.11`	`cogwheel`	`the one I just gave you is correct`
`06:25.21`	`cogwheel`	`it'll be 0 + 0 instead of 0x0`
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`06:25.30`	`Shane__`	`aww ya I see`
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`06:27.28`	`Shane__`	`ya thats much better heh but now for some reason I have one long bar instead of 5 12 slot bars`
`06:27.54`	`cogwheel`	`you need to reset relpt after the inner loop`
`06:28.11`	`Shane__`	`k what is relpt anyways`
`06:28.33`	`cogwheel`	`didn't you write it? XD`
`06:28.40`	`Industrial`	`Guillotine: Berserking + fast shot ability, +bow damage, +damage vs beasts, +regeneration`
`06:28.56`	`Industrial`	`i aint gunna meelee :P`
`06:29.10`	`Shane__`	`the button creation section I got from sample code and modified it`
`06:29.26`	`Shane__`	`thus my coming here and asking about CreateFrame ;)`
`06:29.27`	`Guillotine`	`Industrial: on a pvp server, the stunr esist will do wonders`
`06:30.02`	`cogwheel`	`so what you're really asking for is SetPoint... since that's where it's actually using relpt`
`06:30.31`	`cogwheel`	`http://wowwiki.com/API_Region_SetPoint`
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`06:32.45`	`Guillotine`	`plus, doesn't the orc racial affect ranged damage as well?`
`06:32.59`	`cogwheel`	`Think of hanging a picture... btn:SetPoint("TOPLEFT", relpt, "TOPRIGHT") means "Hang the top-left corner of my button on the top-right corner of relpt"`
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`06:33.08`	`Shane__`	`so u are saying I need to add local relpt = frame back between for i and for j`
`06:33.31`	`Shane__`	`ok, I think I get it`
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`06:34.01`	`cogwheel`	`probably something more like relpt = getglobal("UBParty"..i.."BarFrame")`
`06:34.35`	`Matholum`	`hi! can anyone tell me if it is possible to tell if a player is online through code?`
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`06:35.23`	`Gngsk`	`/who?`
`06:35.33`	`Shane__`	`local btn = CreateFrame("CheckButton", "PartyFrame"..i.."PartyButton"..j, frame, "UnitButtonsTemplate") <--- is frame the parent and "PartyFrame"..i.."PartyButton"..j" the Frame name?`
`06:35.35`	`cogwheel`	`you have to send a who request and react to a response from the server. See: http://www.wowwiki.com/API_SendWho`
`06:36.08`	`cogwheel`	`yes`
`06:36.38`	`Matholum`	`a who request? can i do that through code?`
`06:37.14`	`Matholum`	`lol... k`
`06:37.26`	`Matholum`	`sorry... thanks for the help!`
`06:37.31`	`cogwheel`	`:)`
`06:38.41`	`Shane__`	`hmm I put "relpt = getglobal("UBParty"..i.."BarFrame"..j)" after for i and forj and that no work :)`
`06:40.10`	`Shane__`	`the old code had a local relpt = frame in the for unit, frame in pairs(units) do`
`06:40.49`	`Matholum`	`oh... that page says it always returns nil... but what i want to do it make a code that sends a wisper to a few ppl, but will skip those not online`
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`06:41.18`	`Matholum`	`can i do that?`
`06:42.04`	`cogwheel`	`don't put the ..j`
`06:43.36`	`cogwheel`	`Matholum: i know. you have to send a who request and react to the server's response. There's no other way of checking (unless they're in your guild)`
`06:43.45`	`Industrial`	`server downtime ftl`
`06:43.56`	`Matholum`	`oh... ok... lets assume they are ^_^`
`06:44.21`	`cogwheel`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/World_of_Warcraft_API`
`06:44.33`	`cogwheel`	`should be the first place you look when trying to figure out how to do something`
`06:44.35`	`cogwheel`	`:P`
`06:44.41`	`Matholum`	`what am i looking for though.. lol`
`06:45.05`	`cogwheel`	`look at the table of contents, keeping in mind what I said ("unless they're in your guild")`
`06:45.13`	`Matholum`	`kk... thanks`
`06:45.37`	`cogwheel`	`(i'm all about that "teach a fish to swim" proverb ... or something like that)`
`06:45.55`	`Matholum`	`i gotcha ^_^... i will give that a try... lol`
`06:45.55`	`cogwheel`	`s/fish to swim/man to fish/`
`06:48.24`	`Matholum`	`ok... i know i have to use this... GetGuildRosterInfo`
`06:48.44`	`Matholum`	`but what do i do to get a the person out of it?`
`06:49.17`	`Shane__`	`cog thanks a lot.. one more question.. what determines wether or not the 4 partybars share the same spell listings or not`
`06:49.27`	`Matholum`	`a for _,person in GetGuildRosterInfo do ??`
`06:49.27`	`cogwheel`	`the action attribute`
`06:50.00`	`Shane__`	`so if I just did 72 + j any spells I put in one would appear in all?`
`06:50.34`	`cogwheel`	`yep`
`06:50.49`	`Shane__`	`ok :) thanks again for all the help`
`06:50.56`	`cogwheel`	`np :)`
`06:51.54`	`cogwheel`	`Matholum: click the link :P it tells you what the function returns. As you can see, it takes an index as the parameter... so you would call it in a loop passing it in a new index each time (how you determine how many indexes to check is another challenge I leave to you) :P`
`06:52.27`	`Matholum`	`ah! (i wish i'd clicked on that... lol... )`
`06:52.37`	`Matholum`	`so one sec... i think i got it`
`06:52.41`	`Shane__`	`woops, one more question if you dont mind :)... if I share the same button id would I still be able to say set alpha to 0 on a specific button say.. in the case I want to keep a button hidden unless that party needed curse posion or some such?`
`06:53.14`	`Shane__`	`or would that spell for all party members go hidden`
`06:54.30`	`cogwheel`	`I could answer simply, "it wouldn't matter" but I'd rather tackle the misconception :P the action attribute doesn't affect the button in any way except for what icon to use, what tooltip to display, the cooldown, item count, and other pieces of information. Each button is completely separate`
`06:54.56`	`cogwheel`	`you can do anything with any of them and it won't affect them`
`06:55.16`	`cogwheel`	`s/affect them/affect the others/`
`06:55.56`	`Shane__`	`cogwheel thanks I appreciate the correction of my misconceptions more than a mere answer :)`
`06:56.29`	`cogwheel`	`good... that's rare these days :P most people just think i'm an asshole (though i'm usually a bit more terse XD )`
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`06:57.04`	`Shane__`	`naw letting someone think the right thing for the wrong reasons merely leads to further errors :)`
`06:57.06`	`s\|loup`	`hi`
`06:57.10`	`Matholum`	`for i=1, GetNumGuildMembers(true) do person = GetGuildRosterInfo(i); name=person["name"]; ... end`
`06:57.21`	`Matholum`	`is that about right?`
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`06:59.11`	`cogwheel`	`close.... do local name = GetGuildRosterInfo(i); ... end See: http://www.lua.org/pil/5.1.html`
`06:59.36`	`Matholum`	`oh... ok... i will look at the link ^_^`
`07:01.22`	`Matholum`	`ok, thanks!`
`07:02.01`	`Matholum`	`i think i can do it now, you were a great help ^_^`
`07:02.40`	`Matholum`	`i am going to try and do it now... i'll let you know how it turns out ^_^`
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`07:05.30`	`cogwheel`	`gl :)`
`07:11.07`	`ckknight`	`anyone know where hyperChipmunk went? or what his email is?`
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`07:29.33`	`Matholum`	`ah! cog left -_-`
`07:30.13`	`Matholum`	`can anyone help me figure out why DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage(GetNumGuildMembers(false)); returns 0? (there are 3 online)`
`07:32.36`	`Matholum`	`ok... for some reason it doesn't like false, but when i say true it DOES give me all of them...`
`07:43.50`	`Tem`	`Matholum, try with no args instead of false`
`07:45.19`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`totally offtopic, but I really really hope they move to a playoff system in college ball.`
`07:45.56`	`TML`	`Neuro_Medivh: Never happen`
`07:46.17`	`TML`	`In a playoff system, the best team would get the big dollar games.`
`07:46.28`	`TML`	`Instead of the big football factory schools.`
`07:46.44`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`I know why they keep the current system`
`07:46.49`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`I just don't like it`
`07:48.13`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`first, I don't like the way they set the schedules and such. They call it "Division I-A" but it's not really. There's the 6 main conferences, and the "other" schools`
`07:48.58`	`TML`	`Actually, they fixed that`
`07:49.48`	`TML`	`the NCAA wants us to stop saying "Division I-A" and "Division I-AA," instead saying "Football Bowl Subdivision" for Division I and "Football Championship Subdivision" for Division I-AA.`
`07:50.25`	`TML`	`Note that I-A doesn't make any reference to a "Championship". :)`
`07:50.55`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`actually it does, "BCS Championship"`
`07:52.03`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`and what I mean is that of the 11 divisions + the independants, only 6 of those divisions + Notre Dame have any chance at the BCS title game`
`07:52.54`	`TML`	`Neuro_Medivh: The "BCS Championship" title is supposedly going to be retired at the end of the season, from what I read.`
`07:53.02`	`alcaras`	`is there a wowi "favorites" auto-downloader?`
`07:59.51`	`alcaras`	`i know curse-gaming has something like that`
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`08:04.36`	`Cairenn`	`not at present alcaras`
`08:07.17`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`Also, ui.worldofwar.net not only has an autodownloader, it has an autoinstaller as well =)`
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`08:16.25`	`alcaras`	`hmm, there is this: http://sourceforge.net/projects/wuu`
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`09:37.56`	`Kirov`	`BankButtonIDToInvSlotID`
`09:38.11`	`Kirov`	`what an odd little api call`
`09:40.03`	`nevcairiel`	`hehe`
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`10:21.42`	`TonyD`	`shadowstep, finally`
`10:22.31`	`nevcairiel`	`its not _that_ great`
`10:23.14`	`TonyD`	`i know`
`10:23.18`	`TonyD`	`i pl;aued with it a bit`
`10:23.28`	`TonyD`	`needs a castsequence`
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`12:45.27`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`lol i never had this popup before "C stack overflwon"`
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`12:48.23`	`amro`	`bad loop or recursion`
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`13:07.05`	`Xolan[EU]`	`is it table[key] or table["key"]?`
`13:07.27`	`End`	`table[key] probably`
`13:07.27`	`kaso`	`depends if the key is a string or not`
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`13:08.03`	`Xolan[EU]`	`right`
`13:09.58`	`kaso`	`anyone ever used Xchat? i cant work out how to make it load my servers on startup automatically`
`13:10.44`	`Xolan[EU]`	`used it way back, but can't say I remember anything specific. Remember to have # infront of channels though`
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`13:11.32`	`kaso`	`Hey Maldivia`
`13:11.40`	`Maldivia`	`morning Kaso`
`13:11.59`	`kaso`	`you said a while ago that the raitings->% were in tables in the framexml`
`13:12.01`	`kaso`	`where abouts?`
`13:12.30`	`Maldivia`	`not in the framexml, but in the dbc files`
`13:13.04`	`kaso`	`aaah`
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`13:13.05`	`kaso`	`thats why i couldnt find it ;>`
`13:13.06`	`Maldivia`	`here are the formulas I found: http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Formulas:Combat_Ratings_System`
`13:13.29`	`kaso`	`yah ive been using those, but ive been getting wierd results at level 10`
`13:13.41`	`kaso`	`eg 50 def raiting turning too 826 defense etc`
`13:14.49`	`nevcairiel`	`heh`
`13:14.57`	`nevcairiel`	`unbeatable lvl 10!`
`13:15.11`	`Maldivia`	`kaso, that sounds about right`
`13:15.25`	`kaso`	`really?`
`13:15.28`	`Maldivia`	`yeah`
`13:15.33`	`nevcairiel`	`(guess there is no item a lvl 10 could wear, and enchants have item lvl restrictions sometimes..? :)`
`13:16.10`	`Maldivia`	`kaso, let le look it up, and I'll check`
`13:16.49`	`zenzelezz`	`I don't remember seeing any +defense items that a level 10 can wear`
`13:17.11`	`nevcairiel`	`yea`
`13:17.13`	`zenzelezz`	`quite few +def items at all before 50+ IIRC?`
`13:17.21`	`nevcairiel`	`and the armor kits have a item level requirement`
`13:17.26`	`zenzelezz`	`yeah`
`13:18.05`	`Maldivia`	`Kaso: from the dbc file: 0.057692`
`13:18.18`	`kaso`	`<Maldivia> what confused me was that 50 def == 866 at level 10 and 93 at level 11`
`13:18.25`	`kaso`	`seemed too big a jump`
`13:18.49`	`Maldivia`	`50 def rating:`
`13:18.52`	`Maldivia`	`lvl10 = 855`
`13:19.00`	`Maldivia`	`lvl 11 = 578`
`13:19.00`	`kaso`	`hmm`
`13:19.04`	`Maldivia`	`866*`
`13:19.19`	`Maldivia`	`lvl 12 = 433`
`13:19.28`	`kaso`	`ah, perhaps my code for level 11+ is broken then :>`
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`13:21.03`	`kaso`	`oh damnit i've been using the 60-70 code for 11-70 :<`
`13:21.13`	`kaso`	`ah well now it makes sense`
`13:21.16`	`kaso`	`thanks for the help.`
`13:21.22`	`Bouvi`	`Morning`
`13:21.50`	`zenzelezz`	`;)`
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`13:33.59`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`wow i think my ctra broke ;P`
`13:34.20`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`i jsut left a NG and it shows like in in a raid i was about a week ago`
`13:34.34`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`NG = BG`
`13:35.46`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`oh its not ctra its also on the normal raid rooster lol`
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`13:41.29`	`Xolan[EU]`	`hm http://wowi.pastey.net/4443 why doesn't my slashcommand work?`
`13:42.30`	`zenzelezz`	`how does it "not" work, does it give an error?`
`13:42.40`	`Xolan[EU]`	`nope, no errors`
`13:42.50`	`Xolan[EU]`	`doesn't recognise it ingame`
`13:43.00`	`zenzelezz`	`no "Type /help for..." message?`
`13:43.05`	`Bouvi`	`So you get the standard /help in the chatbox?`
`13:43.16`	`Xolan[EU]`	`that's the message yeah`
`13:43.38`	`kaso`	`any xml errors on the FrameXML.log file?`
`13:44.07`	`Xolan[EU]`	`um, what file's that?`
`13:44.17`	`Xolan[EU]`	`I just started yesterday so I'm very new to this...`
`13:44.27`	`kaso`	`its in World of Warcraft/logs`
`13:44.34`	`Bouvi`	`Did you paste your whole .xml file there?`
`13:44.41`	`kaso`	`it records any errors in xml parsing`
`13:44.46`	`Xolan[EU]`	`kk`
`13:44.55`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`u misspelled the /nf command`
`13:45.13`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`NEVERFOTGET FOT`
`13:45.25`	`Xolan[EU]`	`crap`
`13:45.29`	`kaso`	`^ good eyesight :>`
`13:45.55`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`well he seemd todo it in the right way so all that would be wrong thne its the spelling :P`
`13:46.10`	`Xolan[EU]`	`yep works like a charm now :)`
`13:46.12`	`Xolan[EU]`	`cheers`
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`13:56.45`	`Dhraga`	`a d d i c t i v e = http://www.jeannettevejarano.com/tower-defence.swf`
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`14:16.34`	`kaso`	`62 :<`
`14:16.50`	`Maldivia`	`...`
`14:17.03`	`kaso`	`Dhraga's game`
`14:17.33`	`kaso`	`hmm he quit.`
`14:20.56`	`foxlit`	`62 as well`
`14:21.09`	`nevcairiel`	`i got to 73`
`14:21.15`	`nevcairiel`	`but its damn hard in the end`
`14:22.33`	amro`afk	`its not displaying properly for me`
`14:22.34`	amro`afk	`i have no idea how far i got`
`14:22.51`	`foxlit`	`Any particular strategy? Just stamped random firetowers around, seemed to work until the last part.`
`14:23.17`	`nevcairiel`	`use fully upgraded nature towers`
`14:23.39`	`nevcairiel`	`positioned at the end of the "streets" so that they dont need to turn alot`
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`14:32.05`	`kaso`	`MM i went down the fully upgraded approch, till the endgame when it didnt work so i just spammed thousands of cheapo towers as a stop-gap measure`
`14:32.09`	`kaso`	`still failed`
`14:35.10`	`foxlit`	`Storm seems kinda useless`
`14:43.56`	`Bouvi`	`Anyone on here that uses Clique and/or PerfectRaid that has in-game experience?`
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`14:46.09`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`nope`
`14:46.23`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`we all ctra users here`
`14:47.10`	`Bouvi`	`PerfectRaid works alongside CTRaid.`
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`14:47.38`	`Xolan[EU]`	`I used both eariler bouvi`
`14:47.50`	`Xolan[EU]`	`up till christmas that is`
`14:48.02`	`Bouvi`	`Why did you stop?`
`14:48.06`	`zenzelezz`	`<\|FF\|Im2good4u> we all ctra users here <-- I hope that was a joke o_O`
`14:48.13`	`Xolan[EU]`	`not playing my priest anymore`
`14:48.17`	`Xolan[EU]`	`for a while`
`14:48.22`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`wut if it wasnt ?`
`14:48.24`	`Bouvi`	`Ahhhh`
`14:48.31`	`zenzelezz`	`then it was simply wrong`
`14:49.06`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`yeh thats it simpely wrong`
`14:49.09`	`Xolan[EU]`	`why bou?`
`14:49.18`	`Bouvi`	`What I am looking for is anyone who used either and would consent to a small interview.`
`14:50.01`	`Xolan[EU]`	`right :p`
`14:50.13`	`Bouvi`	`Basically for my new UI Newsletter. PerfectRaid and Clique are the first featured addons with interviews from the author and comments from users.`
`14:50.50`	`Xolan[EU]`	`ah`
`14:51.08`	`Bouvi`	`http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=60759184&postId=606542767&sid=1#0'`
`14:51.11`	`Bouvi`	`http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=60759184&postId=606542767&sid=1#0`
`14:52.24`	`Bouvi`	`Just topped 250+ registered for the newsletter.`
`14:52.32`	`Xolan[EU]`	`char name or real name? :P`
`14:52.55`	`Bouvi`	`Character name is fine. How people know you in WoW`
`14:53.08`	`Bouvi`	`My real name is not Bouvi lol`
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`14:53.30`	`Xolan[EU]`	`o rly? :)`
`14:53.51`	`Bouvi`	`Got the name from one of the Anita Blake Vampire Hunter books.`
`14:54.45`	`Xolan[EU]`	`you've got 251 registered now :P`
`14:55.05`	`Xolan[EU]`	`anyways, if you want a comment you know where to find me :)`
`14:56.26`	`Bouvi`	`If you would like to comment just shoot me your thought to thebouvi@bouvi.com`
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`14:56.43`	`Bouvi`	`Ease of use, etc.`
`14:57.21`	`Bouvi`	`And 252 now reason I said 250+ is cause it is changing every few mins.`
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`14:59.49`	`Xolan[EU]`	`:)`
`14:59.51`	`Xolan[EU]`	`will do`
`14:59.56`	`Bouvi`	`Excellent.`
`15:00.36`	`Xolan[EU]`	`is this a weekly or monthly newsletter?`
`15:00.45`	`Bouvi`	`Plan on it being weekly`
`15:01.04`	`Xolan[EU]`	`k good :)`
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`15:16.43`	`Qshadowp`	`http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=104700826&postId=1046515900&sid=1#0`
`15:16.44`	`Qshadowp`	`:<`
`15:16.52`	`Qshadowp`	`my wow = dead again`
`15:23.34`	`zenzelezz`	`what are you doing to your poor WoW install o_O`
`15:24.10`	`Qshadowp`	`nothing :<`
`15:26.58`	`Qshadowp`	`lol wow europe forums are now lagged to hell`
`15:27.51`	`TS\|Skrom`	`j00 br0k3 teh f0rumz t00`
`15:28.01`	`Qshadowp`	`yea :o`
`15:28.31`	`Qshadowp`	`my computer is like the most uber walking virus in the world, any webpage i visit gets infected, coughs once and dies instantly.`
`15:28.35`	`Qshadowp`	`:D`
`15:29.03`	`groll`	`anyone using yata here? :P`
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`15:37.09`	KaoS`	`Qshadowp, why you buy a mac :)`
`15:38.27`	`Qshadowp`	KaoS` i didn't?
`15:39.36`	`Bouvi`	`Xolan[EU] I made it a little more formal for user responses. http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?p=39328#post39328`
`15:39.58`	`Qshadowp`	KaoS` i use winxp\debian linux
`15:40.22`	KaoS`	`that is why you do * sorry`
`15:40.38`	`Xolan[EU]`	`cool bou :)`
`15:40.42`	`Qshadowp`	`you mean why don't i buy a mac?`
`15:41.05`	`Qshadowp`	`well, imo the macs are kinda like the stuck in the middle os. i don't particularly like it at all`
`15:41.14`	`Qshadowp`	`windows is great for compatability, but terirble for stability`
`15:41.25`	`Qshadowp`	`linux is great for stability, but terrible for stability.`
`15:41.31`	KaoS`	`I was just commenting on your "walking virus in the world" comment/`
`15:41.38`	`Qshadowp`	`oh :P`
`15:41.44`	`Qshadowp`	KaoS` i was only jokeing :D
`15:42.03`	`Qshadowp`	`i've never been infected before, i live behind a NAT\Software firewall, anti virus and anti spyware :D`
`15:43.16`	`beerke`	`Anyone knows what the level ranges for foods are that can be fed to pets : Like a level 40 pet can eat food from lvl 25-55 . Or something like that`
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`15:45.27`	`amro`	`Qshadowp: I've never been infected either, and I don't have a firewall nor anti-virus. Firefox and not downloading crap are enough protection.`
`15:46.11`	`Qshadowp`	`heh, i use firefox too`
`15:46.33`	`Qshadowp`	`i like to be a bit security high, my brother is into alot of shady stuff, so people like to attack me alot`
`15:46.35`	`Qshadowp`	`:(`
`15:46.46`	`TS\|Skrom`	`amro, are you on a router or a direct net connection?`
`15:47.57`	`amro`	`now I'm using a router, but i wasn't when i used windows`
`15:48.19`	`amro`	`if you don't download stuff from shady sites and use a decent browser you have nothing to worry about`
`15:48.31`	`TS\|Skrom`	`wait wait, you aren't using windows?`
`15:48.31`	`amro`	`also, don't use P2P programs`
`15:48.38`	`TS\|Skrom`	`no wonder you aren't infected :p`
`15:48.48`	`amro`	`well now yeah :P but i was talking about before`
`15:49.17`	`Qshadowp`	`lol`
`15:49.24`	`Qshadowp`	`windows is very exploitable :D`
`15:49.52`	`Qshadowp`	`having a anti virus\spyware\firewall doesn't take long to setup`
`15:50.02`	`Qshadowp`	`and its worth it`
`15:50.17`	`TS\|Skrom`	`just using a router is often enough protection`
`15:50.30`	`Qshadowp`	`i also use a router :P`
`15:50.36`	`TS\|Skrom`	`having NAT is a luxury I don't think anyone can afford to be without`
`15:50.43`	`Qshadowp`	`but as i say my brothers into alot of shady stuff, so i prefer to besafe and sorry`
`15:51.08`	`TS\|Skrom`	`get a new brother :p`
`15:51.23`	`Qshadowp`	`tempting`
`15:51.42`	`Qshadowp`	`hes kinda annoying he has to be right for absolutely everything, even when hes wrong hes still right`
`15:51.58`	`Qshadowp`	`hes like those contradicting people that just sits there and chants that hes right and till you give up trying to explain it to him`
`15:52.07`	`Qshadowp`	`he buys dell laptops :<`
`15:52.15`	`amro`	`Anti-virus software slows down your computer`
`15:52.45`	`amro`	`and costs money =P`
`15:52.52`	`Qshadowp`	`AVG Is free.`
`15:53.03`	`Qshadowp`	`AVG Scans files when they open, so only affects loading time.`
`15:54.20`	`amro`	`AVG is what i had before i found firefox =)`
`15:55.25`	`TS\|Skrom`	`lol Norton came with the latest computer I've owned`
`15:55.32`	`TS\|Skrom`	`first one I've ever straight up bought`
`15:55.41`	`Qshadowp`	`lol`
`15:55.41`	`foxlit`	`(burn?)`
`15:55.44`	`TS\|Skrom`	`it has a tendancy to want to do a full scan every time I run MC`
`15:56.04`	`Qshadowp`	`i like being able to visit the dodgey websites and not get infected`
`15:56.06`	`foxlit`	`norton+internet=evil, mostly.`
`15:56.07`	`Qshadowp`	`thats fun`
`15:56.16`	`zenzelezz`	`I like Kaspersky`
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`16:00.29`	`Qshadowp`	`hmm`
`16:00.38`	`Qshadowp`	`people are wandering around the internets useing my email to post things on forum`
`16:00.43`	`Qshadowp`	`forums*`
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`17:12.47`	`AnduinLothar`	`omg... StarTrek season 1 is on itunes`
`17:12.59`	`Qshadowp`	`hax`
`17:13.17`	`AnduinLothar`	`29 episodes... damn it. why can't they make current seasons 29 episodes`
`17:13.38`	`AnduinLothar`	`none of this 21 or 22 bullshit with a break in the middle`
`17:14.18`	`AnduinLothar`	`and they're 50.5 minute episodes instead of the current 43 min...`
`17:26.53`	`Elkano`	`"current"? I thought it was droped?`
`17:28.14`	`Thrae`	`Does anyone know what WoWI is doing about their search engine?`
`17:28.33`	`zenzelezz`	`..?`
`17:28.56`	`Thrae`	`I do a search for "FuBar", and I don't even get a single FuBar addon, not to mention THE FuBar addon.`
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`17:29.19`	`Thrae`	`70% of what I do get are outdated mods.`
`17:29.25`	`zenzelezz`	`have they said they're doing anything about it?`
`17:29.32`	`Thrae`	`Yeah, that's what I'm wondering.`
`17:29.44`	`Thrae`	`I don't want to suggest changes if they're already making them.`
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`17:30.04`	`KiphereCE`	`Mornin`
`17:30.10`	`KiphereCE`	`I come bearing questions unrelated to UIs :p`
`17:30.14`	`KiphereCE`	`well, just one really.`
`17:31.19`	`KiphereCE`	`I'm mutilating a theme for a forum and tryin to recreate a button, the buttons have something in their code that says "$txt[value]" where the value is a number. example "$txt[103]" makes a button labeled "HOME" on the bar.`
`17:31.28`	`KiphereCE`	`what defines "103" as "HOME" ?`
`17:32.11`	`Xolan[EU]`	`well the $txt is an array with craploads of different strings in it then`
`17:32.26`	`Xolan[EU]`	`under the 103id (key) it probabyl has "HOME" as it's value`
`17:32.33`	`KiphereCE`	`hrm`
`17:32.37`	`KiphereCE`	`how can I find that array?`
`17:32.47`	`KiphereCE`	`this is in template.php file`
`17:32.57`	`KiphereCE`	`in A template.php file i meant.`
`17:33.41`	`Xolan[EU]`	`erm, try doing print_r($txt) somewhere to print the array. If you're manipulating it I suggest trying to find where it's defined though`
`17:33.57`	`KiphereCE`	`thats what I'm tryin to do.`
`17:34.01`	`KiphereCE`	`find where its defined, I have no idea lol`
`17:34.11`	`KiphereCE`	`if I can find that I can probably make an addition to get what i'm shooting for.`
`17:34.19`	`Xolan[EU]`	`yep`
`17:34.45`	`Xolan[EU]`	`just search for $txt in every file and you'll find it eventually :P`
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`17:40.54`	`KiphereCE`	`shouldnt it say somewhere in a file that references an array, what file it's referencing to get that array?`
`17:42.19`	`KiphereCE`	`function template_init()`
`17:42.19`	`KiphereCE`	`{`
`17:42.19`	`KiphereCE`	`global $context, $settings, $options, $txt;`
`17:42.29`	`KiphereCE`	`thats the first reference of it ><`
`17:46.56`	`Xolan[EU]`	`that just initializes the variables probably. I reckon they get filled somewhere else`
`17:48.25`	`cogwheel`	`Dolby-wowi: your new adds make me sad... first popups, now 100% cpu usage :(`
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`17:48.50`	`cogwheel`	`s/adds/ads/`
`17:50.19`	`zenzelezz`	`AdBlock`
`17:50.33`	`KiphereCE`	`I've gotta figure out where the variables get filled.`
`17:50.44`	`cogwheel`	`zenzelezz: think profanity filter...`
`17:50.48`	`KiphereCE`	`its probably in the default theme somewhere but nothing is jumping out at me as 'the right file'`
`17:50.59`	`cogwheel`	`you're still not supposed to swear, but it's there to "protect" you when people do...`
`17:51.02`	`zenzelezz`	`cogwheel: I've never had the profanity filter enabled, so I don't know`
`17:51.10`	`cogwheel`	`heh... me neither :P`
`17:51.19`	`Maldivia`	`KiphereCE: grep -r "\$txt =" `
`17:51.55`	`Xolan[EU]`	`if he's on a linux box :P`
`17:52.06`	`KiphereCE`	`I'm not :p`
`17:52.31`	`Maldivia`	`then download grep for windoes`
`17:53.16`	`KiphereCE`	`the problem is these are all files sitting on a shared web server.`
`17:53.29`	`KiphereCE`	`so I'd have to download 'all' of them to grep them locally I assume.`
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`17:53.52`	`Maldivia`	`hmm, yeah- ok`
`17:54.30`	`Lamex`	`I am back, and thanx for the useless mini beggings/rullings/questions while I was on vacation >.<`
`17:57.29`	`KiphereCE`	`yar I found it.`
`17:58.37`	`Xolan[EU]`	`do you have shell acess to the web server?`
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`18:02.55`	`Qshadowp`	`~lart Osagasu`
`18:08.20`	`KiphereCE`	`yay, fixed it! :p`
`18:08.51`	`KiphereCE`	`it (duh) defines the $txr variables based on the language selected in the default theme's "Language" folder.`
`18:09.13`	`KiphereCE`	`so that it can dynamically update the buttons and other thingies based on what the default language is. Which I should have thought of :P`
`18:09.38`	`KiphereCE`	`I just created another line in the index file for my new button and used that and it works great now lol.`
`18:09.41`	`KiphereCE`	`afk, lunchies!`
`18:10.31`	`JoshBork1`	`is blizzard ever going to patch the http music file thing?`
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`18:15.01`	`Xolan[EU]`	`great kip :)`
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`18:16.46`	`KiphereCE`	`usually asking a question then talking with some one about it even if they cant give me an answer will help me figure it out.`
`18:17.12`	`KiphereCE`	`I'll sit here and beat on it for an hour then ask some one and just asking seems to help ;p`
`18:18.01`	`Xolan[EU]`	`:P`
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`18:32.37`	`KiphereCE`	`ugh`
`18:32.57`	`KiphereCE`	`I spent all day working on making this theme compliant with tinyportal and now I find out the theme itself is borked.`
`18:33.11`	`KiphereCE`	`it errors out when you try to display a post ><`
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`18:50.05`	`Bouvi`	`Hey Tuller, quick question. Did you remove the ability in vBagnon to view my other characters items/banks?`
`18:50.24`	`Tuller`	`I didn't remove it, I just have not implemented it`
`18:50.48`	`Bouvi`	`hmmm thought it was there. OK checking into the nuthouse.`
`18:51.13`	`sysrage`	`tuller's the vbagnon guy eh? you rock my friend`
`18:52.33`	`Bouvi`	`And the Bongo's guy :)`
`18:52.51`	`sysrage`	`i haven't tried bongo.. guess i should`
`18:53.15`	`Bouvi`	`I really like it. Easy to set up.`
`18:53.46`	`Bouvi`	`Of course after using Discord for over a year ANYTHING is easy to setup.`
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`18:57.48`	`Tuller`	`I've checked my PMs now, at least :)`
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`18:57.56`	`Dhraga`	`Evening folks`
`18:58.01`	`zenzelezz`	`heya`
`18:58.43`	`Bouvi`	`hehe and I answered you already :)`
`19:00.42`	`Bouvi`	`If you have used Clique or PerfectRaid check out this link please. http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7809 More opinions I get the better.`
`19:02.00`	`Kirov`	`cogwheel - WoW forums need personal PMs`
`19:02.15`	`cogwheel`	`as opposed to impersonal PMs?`
`19:02.23`	`End`	`PMs are serious business`
`19:02.46`	`Kirov`	`Especially when it's my girlfriend's PMS`
`19:03.03`	`cogwheel`	`wife's PMS > girlfriend's PMS`
`19:03.30`	`End`	`so their PMS is impersonal?`
`19:03.31`	`zenzelezz`	`my workplace uses a program called PMS (abbreviated from Postmottakersystemet)`
`19:04.51`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHzdsFiBbFc`
`19:04.53`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`ha`
`19:05.21`	`Bouvi`	`We use the Pantone Matching System at work for colors. PMS 151 is University of TN orange.`
`19:06.47`	`End`	`hmm, it appears my classes for spring start the day the WoW xpac comes out`
`19:07.17`	`JoshBork1`	`lol end`
`19:08.11`	`End`	`hmm, yup`
`19:08.13`	`JoshBork1`	`quite the conundrum`
`19:08.17`	`End`	`that could be problematic`
`19:08.35`	`End`	`hell, nothing ever happens in the first week of clases anyways`
`19:08.55`	`End`	`although, I think tuesday/thursday is when I have most of my classes anyways >_<`
`19:09.03`	`End`	`mon/wed/fri is pretty clear I think`
`19:09.05`	`Bouvi`	`I won't get it on the 16th I teach till late that night anyway so ordered it to be overnighted.`
`19:09.19`	`End`	`I should probably check that though, I don't remember what classes I signed up for`
`19:09.42`	`sysrage`	`servers will probably be down all day the 16th anyway`
`19:10.03`	`End`	`I wouldn't say down`
`19:10.08`	`End`	`maybe horribly sluggish`
`19:10.10`	`Qshadowp`	`Mr_Rabies lmfao`
`19:10.42`	`bleetah`	`I reckon they'll limit the number of units in the first weeks to be sold to limit server slug`
`19:10.52`	`End`	`my account does expire middle of next week though, and I'm not reactivating til I purchase the xpac`
`19:11.03`	`End`	`(so, that's about a week without WoW)`
`19:11.08`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`2pac*`
`19:11.09`	`bleetah`	`although, of course, it's not really gunna add 'new players', so.. hmm`
`19:11.31`	`End`	`they'll get returning players most likely though`
`19:11.34`	`sysrage`	`lot of old players coming back though`
`19:12.01`	`bleetah`	`but will they stay..?`
`19:12.18`	`End`	`probably for a bit at least`
`19:12.36`	`bleetah`	`i doubt we'll see slug like it was before the upgrades`
`19:12.37`	`End`	`if they get the xpac, they'll probably stay long enough to hit 70 at least`
`19:12.43`	`bleetah`	`so help us elune/thrall`
`19:12.52`	`bleetah`	`& blah`
`19:13.51`	`sysrage`	`lol @ anti-spam Bouvi`
`19:14.28`	`Bouvi`	`You would not believe all the freaking spam I get in a day.`
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`19:26.46`	`zenzelezz`	`I am a bit saddened by the lack of BoKadins now :-(`
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`19:31.54`	`cogwheel`	`http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=61806231&pageNo=1&sid=1 .......`
`19:32.32`	`JoshBork1`	`lol`
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`19:33.17`	`zenzelezz`	`sooo slow`
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`19:45.38`	`j^2`	`hello all`
`19:46.01`	`amro`	`hi`
`19:46.08`	`Gryphen`	`he3ya`
`19:46.22`	`j^2`	`is this the "main" wow channel on freenode?`
`19:46.38`	`j^2`	`i've been looking for one for quite some time`
`19:46.52`	`zenzelezz`	`it's the WoWInterface channel`
`19:47.07`	`j^2`	`oh...i guess that would make sense..."wowi"`
`19:47.09`	`End`	`I don't think there -is- a main WoW channel on freenode`
`19:47.27`	`j^2`	`well you know what i mean, like a ##linux or something`
`19:48.48`	`Kirov`	`Depends on what you're looking for.`
`19:49.19`	`Kirov`	`If you're looking for an equivalent to WoW forums' General chat, I don't know of one.`
`19:50.03`	`Kirov`	`If you're looking for an equivalent to WoW forums' UI & Macros forum, this is a good place.`
`19:50.58`	`foxlit`	`"all discord mods are a huge memory leak compared to any of the ACE2 mods... "`
`19:51.28`	`Kirov`	`foxlit - heh`
`19:51.46`	`foxlit`	`EU UI forums.`
`19:52.45`	`j^2`	`ah nice thanks guys`
`19:54.39`	`kergoth`	`hmm, quick question.. anyone use macros on their rogue? i dont think i have any at all, once i switched to an addon for assist setting`
`19:54.42`	`Mikma`	`http://reaktio.net/~josma/Sonja/Joulu/PICT1768.JPG <- the dog did get some gifts from the santa on left :)`
`19:54.48`	`Cide`	`foxlit: let me quote cladhaire`
`19:54.53`	`Mikma`	`Cairenn\|afk: that's especially for you, purr`
`19:55.27`	`Cide`	`foxlit: that's "so much bullcrap [...], I want to vomit."`
`19:57.51`	`foxlit`	`:)`
`19:58.47`	`End`	`"Practice safe computing, and stay in school, kids."`
`19:58.53`	`foxlit`	`There are actually sane replies inthat topic, so I guess it isn't all bad after all.`
`19:58.55`	`Mikma`	`newly banned addons? where?`
`19:59.12`	`foxlit`	`Get yours today?`
`19:59.53`	`End`	`Get your face on today!`
`20:00.24`	`cogwheel`	`~emulate cogwheel`
`20:00.25`	`purl`	`ACTION shakes its fist at the forums`
`20:00.57`	`Qshadowp`	`~lart cogwheel`
`20:01.08`	`End`	`~whaleslap Qshadowp`
`20:01.10`	`purl`	`ACTION beats Qshadowp upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh`
`20:01.42`	`Qshadowp`	`:o`
`20:01.43`	`kergoth`	`~rinsult`
`20:02.10`	`Qshadowp`	`~poke End`
`20:02.11`	`purl`	`ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind End, pokes End repeatedly, hilarity ensues.`
`20:02.29`	`End`	`I see.`
`20:02.46`	`End`	`wait, why the tree!`
`20:02.52`	`End`	`the poor poor tree!`
`20:03.31`	`Qshadowp`	`lol`
`20:06.43`	`kloppe`	`I'd resent that, but I don't know what half of it means :(`
`20:06.49`	`kloppe`	`~botcookie`
`20:06.50`	`purl`	`:-P`
`20:09.12`	`Bouvi`	`~emulate Bouvi`
`20:09.27`	`Bouvi`	`purl hates me`
`20:09.28`	`purl`	`yes.`
`20:09.34`	`Bouvi`	`SEE!!!!!`
`20:10.01`	`Qshadowp`	`LOL`
`20:10.17`	`Qshadowp`	`purl hates me`
`20:10.18`	`purl`	`yes.`
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`20:10.23`	`Qshadowp`	`\o/`
`20:10.43`	`Bouvi`	`purl love me`
`20:10.44`	`purl`	`If you love bouvi so much, why don't you marry it? (oooooh)`
`20:10.56`	`Bouvi`	`SEE!!!!`
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`20:11.18`	`Qshadowp`	`lol`
`20:11.32`	`Qshadowp`	`~greet ckknight`
`20:11.34`	`purl`	`ACTION dumps a bucket of cold oatmeal on ckknight`
`20:11.56`	`Qshadowp`	`lol`
`20:12.53`	`ckknight`	`...`
`20:13.03`	`ckknight`	`:-( oatmeal`
`20:13.05`	`Bouvi`	`purl = evil`
`20:13.14`	`Bouvi`	`purl is evil`
`20:13.25`	`Qshadowp`	`lol`
`20:13.29`	`cogwheel`	`purl, purl is evil`
`20:13.31`	`purl`	`...but purl is already something else...`
`20:13.35`	`Qshadowp`	`i was hopeing it'd do something like greet you`
`20:13.37`	`Qshadowp`	`:O`
`20:13.40`	`cogwheel`	`purl, purl`
`20:13.41`	`purl`	`it has been said that purl is one COOL bot`
`20:13.44`	`Saroz`	`purl, purl is also evil`
`20:13.45`	`purl`	`okay, Saroz`
`20:13.59`	`cogwheel`	`purl, literal purl`
`20:14.00`	`purl`	`"purl" is "one COOL bot, or evil"`
`20:14.23`	`cogwheel`	`~purl`
`20:14.24`	`purl`	`extra, extra, read all about it, purl is one COOL bot, or evil`
`20:14.25`	`zenzelezz`	`I suspect what you were looking for "is also \|evil"`
`20:14.38`	`Qshadowp`	`lol`
`20:14.55`	`cogwheel`	`purl, no purl is "one COOL bot\|evil"`
`20:14.56`	`purl`	`okay, cogwheel`
`20:15.00`	`cogwheel`	`?`
`20:15.03`	`cogwheel`	`~purl`
`20:15.04`	`purl`	`i guess purl is "one COOL bot\|evil"`
`20:15.08`	`Saroz`	`...`
`20:15.17`	`cogwheel`	`purl, no purl is one COOL bot\|evil`
`20:15.19`	`purl`	`okay, cogwheel`
`20:15.23`	`cogwheel`	`~purl`
`20:15.24`	`purl`	`somebody said purl was one COOL bot\|evil`
`20:15.32`	`zenzelezz`	`no, purl is one COOL bot\|evil`
`20:15.36`	`zenzelezz`	`~purl`
`20:15.38`	`purl`	`it has been said that purl is one COOL bot\|evil`
`20:15.48`	`Qshadowp`	`purl, no purl is one COOL bot, purl is also evil.`
`20:15.50`	`purl`	`Qshadowp: okay`
`20:15.53`	`Qshadowp`	`doesn't that make more sense?`
`20:15.54`	`Qshadowp`	`~purl`
`20:15.55`	`purl`	`well, purl is one COOL bot, purl is also evil.`
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`20:15.57`	`zenzelezz`	`no`
`20:16.01`	`zenzelezz`	`it does not for infobot`
`20:16.09`	`Bouvi`	`purl, no purl is "EVIL"`
`20:16.10`	`purl`	`okay, Bouvi`
`20:16.11`	`Qshadowp`	`:O`
`20:16.16`	`Bouvi`	`~purl`
`20:16.17`	`purl`	`purl is probably "EVIL"`
`20:16.18`	`zenzelezz`	`~no purl`
`20:16.35`	`Bouvi`	`perfect`
`20:16.47`	`zenzelezz`	`I wouldn't say it's perfect with the ""s`
`20:17.08`	`Bouvi`	`purl, no purl is the embodiment of EVIL!`
`20:17.09`	`purl`	`Bouvi: okay`
`20:17.13`	`Bouvi`	`~purl`
`20:17.15`	`purl`	`extra, extra, read all about it, purl is the embodiment of EVIL!`
`20:17.22`	`Bouvi`	`Now it is perfect`
`20:17.24`	`zenzelezz`	`the bugger seems to have some quirks compared to the other infobots I know`
`20:17.34`	`Matholum`	`hi everyone! i have a question I hope you can help me with ^_^`
`20:17.43`	`End`	`hi!`
`20:18.02`	`foxlit`	`"Hi Dr. Nick!" :)`
`20:18.10`	`Matholum`	`can you send a wisper through code, but hide the to part on your screen??`
`20:18.18`	`foxlit`	`Yes, you can.`
`20:18.20`	`End`	`yes`
`20:18.25`	`Matholum`	`i have the wisper... i just want to hide it`
`20:18.33`	`foxlit`	`You need to dispose of a CHAT_MSG_WHISPER_INFORM event`
`20:18.58`	`Matholum`	`ooh.... can you send me a link so i can look it up? lol`
`20:18.58`	`foxlit`	`By hooking ChatFrame_MessageEventHandler`
`20:19.36`	`Matholum`	`oh... i think i get what you mean... so i'd hook it and the somehow tell it to not continue`
`20:19.37`	`Bouvi`	`Can someone explain hooking or point me to a site? And not the prostitute kind!!`
`20:19.47`	`Matholum`	`lol`
`20:20.00`	`Matholum`	`i am looking it up now ^_^`
`20:20.24`	`Matholum`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/HOWTO:_Hook_Chat_Messages`
`20:20.42`	`Bouvi`	`tyty`
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`20:21.05`	`foxlit`	`Simplistically, something like this: http://wowi.pastey.net/4457`
`20:22.03`	`Matholum`	`ah... Thanks! now how would i cancel it out?`
`20:23.37`	`foxlit`	`Own hook or someone else's?`
`20:24.15`	`Matholum`	`what do you mean... well, i'd see id the message is the one i want and then in my function i could tell it to not show`
`20:24.30`	`Guillotine`	`Matholum: to cancel your hook, just put an "if IsHooked" or some other variable`
`20:25.12`	`Guillotine`	`and I would put those declarations first`
`20:25.23`	`Matholum`	`i think i am saying it wrong and confusing you all.. -_-... i want to cancel the message form showing... not my hook ^_^`
`20:25.32`	`Guillotine`	`oh, that does it`
`20:25.56`	`Matholum`	`oh... so hooking cancels.... i see... sorry.. i thought that it'd still go through`
`20:26.00`	`Guillotine`	`though I'd suggest http://wowi.pastey.net/4460 personally`
`20:26.12`	`Guillotine`	`you're returning before the old one is called`
`20:26.19`	`Guillotine`	`so the message is never getting to the chat frame`
`20:26.28`	`foxlit`	`psst, won't work? :)`
`20:26.55`	`foxlit`	`You set the original var to nil on line 2, since your own function isn't declared yet :)`
`20:26.56`	`Matholum`	`ok... and then... MyAddon_ChatHookOld(...); sends it back so that it'd show?`
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`20:27.24`	`Matholum`	`oh... true foxlit ^_^`
`20:27.28`	`foxlit`	`Matholum: yes :)`
`20:27.48`	`foxlit`	`If you call MyAddon_ChatHookOld(...);, it'll show up in chat. If not, it won't.`
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`20:27.59`	`Guillotine`	`whoops, sry`
`20:28.01`	`Guillotine`	`meant http://wowi.pastey.net/4462`
`20:28.12`	`Guillotine`	`just woke up minutes ago, so I'm not all with it yet :/`
`20:28.57`	`Matholum`	`so... in my function, sets say i want to 'block' any wisper with the text of "block me"... i'd have if(.....) then blocked portion else MyAddon_ChatHookOld(...); end???`
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`20:30.17`	`foxlit`	`Try it on the pastey.`
`20:30.49`	`Matholum`	`oh... i have never used that b4... lol`
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`20:32.24`	`Matholum`	`oh.. i read the pasty and it clicked now ^_^ but here is what i did http://wowi.pastey.net/4464`
`20:32.53`	`foxlit`	`That works. Outgoing whispers of "Block Me" won't appear in chat.`
`20:33.07`	`Matholum`	`and if i wanted to block the from wisper too it'd be CHAT_MSG_WHISPER`
`20:33.25`	`foxlit`	`Yep`
`20:33.40`	`Matholum`	`awsome! thanks guys! your a big help ^_^`
`20:43.33`	`Matholum`	`ah! MyAddon_ChatHookOld(...); gave me a stack overflow`
`20:45.19`	`Matholum`	`should i have made both '...'s a variable??`
`20:45.39`	`foxlit`	`Still using http://wowi.pastey.net/4464-2j0h ?`
`20:45.57`	`Matholum`	`yes`
`20:46.17`	`foxlit`	`You're running the code more than once.`
`20:46.51`	`Matholum`	`how's i do that? i will paste it... one sec`
`20:47.58`	`Matholum`	`http://wowi.pastey.net/4466`
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`20:48.10`	`Matholum`	`i added on a little... maybe i messed it up -_-`
`20:50.07`	`Kirov`	`oh, random lua scope question.`
`20:50.07`	`Kirov`	`do`
`20:50.07`	`Kirov`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:50.07`	`Kirov`	`end`
`20:50.08`	`Kirov`	`var only exists for the do, correct?`
`20:50.16`	`foxlit`	`yes`
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`20:51.44`	`Matholum`	`can you tell what is wrong? -_-`
`20:51.46`	`foxlit`	`Matholum: the changes you linked are fine. The stack overflow error manes there's a very large number of recursive calls going on, pointing to the possibility that [MyAddon_ChatHookOld = ChatFrame_MessageEventHandler;] is ran more than once.`
`20:52.21`	`Matholum`	`hmm.... well... there is alot of code before it, do you want to see it all? lol`
`20:52.45`	`Matholum`	`(70 lines)`
`20:52.46`	`Kirov`	`stack overflow is basically an infinite loop bug`
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`20:53.01`	`Matholum`	`hmm.... i will post it all...`
`20:53.01`	`foxlit`	`Sure, shoot.`
`20:54.34`	`Matholum`	`this is the WHOLE thing ^_^ http://wowi.pastey.net/4467`
`20:56.28`	`Matholum`	`by now i bet you are wondering what i am trying to make... lol`
`20:57.40`	`Kirov`	`encode? is string.byte too good for you?`
`20:57.41`	`foxlit`	`Try http://wowi.pastey.net/4468`
`20:58.10`	`Matholum`	`lol... it is a special one ^_^`
`20:58.40`	`Kirov`	`I would suggest just not using the "MyAddon_" prefix for those`
`20:58.49`	`Kirov`	`which is likely what's causing the issue`
`20:59.08`	`Kirov`	`or try making the reference copy and the function local`
`20:59.13`	`Matholum`	`oh! switch it to Trinary? i will try it ^_^`
`20:59.38`	`foxlit`	`What are the odds of someone else running example code in the same environment? :P`
`21:00.45`	`Matholum`	`it's gone and i didn't have to add the if ^_^ thanks! that is too weird....`
`21:02.51`	`Matholum`	`although.. now it says Trinary_ChatHook is nil -_-...`
`21:03.02`	`Matholum`	`it just doesn't lke me`
`21:03.05`	`Matholum`	`*like`
`21:03.19`	`Matholum`	`i guess i have to use the if`
`21:03.28`	`Kirov`	`I would suggest against using the if`
`21:03.42`	`Matholum`	`oh... then what should i do?`
`21:05.29`	`Kirov`	`http://wowi.pastey.net/4470`
`21:07.53`	`Matholum`	`do i need this line anymore? ChatFrame_MessageEventHandler = Trinary_ChatHook;`
`21:08.07`	`Kirov`	`no`
`21:09.16`	`foxlit`	`Once you've done that, run a /script message(tostring(MyAddon_ChatHookOld));`
`21:09.21`	`foxlit`	`Want to see the result, really.`
`21:09.44`	`Matholum`	`i think it might work now ^_^... i didn't receive a wisper though so i am a little worried...`
`21:09.48`	`Matholum`	`oh, ok ^_^`
`21:11.10`	`Matholum`	`nil`
`21:12.32`	`foxlit`	`So it was ran twice. Meh.`
`21:12.43`	`Matholum`	`why is it doing that? and shouldn't a get a wisper since i haven't blocked that yet?`
`21:14.32`	`foxlit`	`Er, you have.`
`21:14.44`	`foxlit`	`if (event == "CHAT_MSG_WHISPER" and arg1 == "Block Me") then`
`21:14.44`	`foxlit`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:15.06`	`Matholum`	`not the from part though... i didn't send a wisper that said "Block Me"`
`21:15.33`	`Matholum`	`i sent "{}/x%$8$...."`
`21:16.32`	`Kirov`	`string.match(arg1, "^"..header)`
`21:16.33`	`Kirov`	`is about twice as fast as`
`21:16.33`	`Kirov`	`string.sub(arg1,1,string.len(header)) == header`
`21:17.06`	`Matholum`	`oh, thanks... i didn't know how to do that in lua`
`21:17.13`	`Maldivia`	`hmm... 2x thunderfury and 2xhand of ragnaros now... not bad for a guild that started raiding mid-june`
`21:17.36`	`Kirov`	`nearly equivalent, as long as "header" doesn't include any characters used by match`
`21:18.03`	`Kirov`	`Maldivia - @#%!. I've been raiding for 2 years and I've seen 1 thunderfury and 0 hand of rag`
`21:18.28`	`zenzelezz`	`I so want an aggrofury :-\|`
`21:18.39`	`Kirov`	`Another guild I know of who started up about 5 months ago gave a thunderfury to a paladin because they're on their 14th-15th`
`21:18.53`	`Maldivia`	`Kirov: the second half of the binding just dropped for us`
`21:18.57`	`zenzelezz`	`one guild on my server got three Ashkandi on their first five Nefarian kills`
`21:19.30`	`Matholum`	`ok... this is updated with the changes you guys said to do.... maybe it'll help to see it`
`21:19.31`	`Matholum`	`http://wowi.pastey.net/4471`
`21:20.26`	`Maldivia`	`zenzelezz: we have a droprate of 40% on Perdition from Raggy :)`
`21:21.20`	`zenzelezz`	`we've had pretty "periodic" drops from Faerlina... first four or five kills were all the healing mace, next four were all Widow's Remorse`
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`21:21.26`	`foxlit`	`You didn't declare header`
`21:21.35`	`Matholum`	`it is at the bottom`
`21:21.42`	`Matholum`	`2nd file`
`21:22.04`	`zenzelezz`	`I'm down to doing MC PUGs these days, hoping to get the Wrath pants, even if BC is right around the corner'`
`21:22.07`	`Maldivia`	`zenzelezz: well, I rerolled in may, to play on the EU servers, and started a guild here - so haven't been in naxx :)`
`21:22.23`	`foxlit`	`Erm, you do have special chars in there.`
`21:22.39`	`Matholum`	`that bad?`
`21:22.58`	`foxlit`	`It won't match as you think it'll match.`
`21:23.24`	`Matholum`	`hmm... plz explain... lua is so confusing to me... ^_^`
`21:23.52`	`Matholum`	`do i have to do\{\}... like that`
`21:23.54`	`Matholum`	`?`
`21:24.19`	`foxlit`	`header="{}/x%%$8$";`
`21:24.46`	`foxlit`	`string.match is regex-enabled, and % is one of its escape chars.`
`21:24.49`	`Matholum`	`that is what i typed.... yes....`
`21:25.05`	`Matholum`	`oh... i see...`
`21:25.19`	`foxlit`	`Two % :)`
`21:25.19`	`Matholum`	`so if i take % out it'll be ok?`
`21:25.26`	`foxlit`	`Yes`
`21:25.41`	`Matholum`	`ok... i will try it and i will tell you what happens ^_^`
`21:25.43`	`foxlit`	`Or use %% to signify a single, literal, %`
`21:27.42`	`Matholum`	`i did %% and i got a wisper... BUT... it was from... and then the to!`
`21:28.11`	`Matholum`	`-_-... i thought that was supposed to be gone...`
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`21:32.23`	`Matholum`	`ah! i was right! in order to use refex, i'd have to have a regex proof header that can get it... so i used my old way and it worked because there were no regex... make sence?`
`21:32.30`	`Matholum`	`*regex`
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`21:42.11`	`Matholum`	`string.sub(arg1,string.len(header)) gets me everything after header right? nothing is showing`
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`21:49.04`	`Mike-N-Go`	`Hi`
`21:49.12`	`Gryphen`	`he3ya`
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`22:15.22`	`cladhaire`	`So,`
`22:15.25`	`cladhaire`	`what can a Shaman cure`
`22:15.30`	`Mike-N-Go`	`Fod`
`22:15.30`	`cladhaire`	`poison?`
`22:15.33`	`Mike-N-Go`	`Food*`
`22:15.55`	`Cide`	`poison, disease`
`22:15.55`	`cladhaire`	`okay, thats it?`
`22:15.58`	`Mike-N-Go`	`[Heavy Leather Hide] as a Leatherworker.`
`22:16.04`	`Cide`	`magic offensively`
`22:16.22`	`Cide`	`but yes, that's it for defensively`
`22:16.30`	`cladhaire`	`sweet thanks =)`
`22:26.43`	`Scre3m`	`cladhaire, got time for a praid question?`
`22:26.49`	`cladhaire`	`sure`
`22:26.53`	`cladhaire`	`dunno if i have time for an answer =)`
`22:27.03`	`Scre3m`	`is there any chance that praid could cause fps issues?`
`22:27.12`	`cladhaire`	`yes`
`22:27.16`	`cladhaire`	`there's the possibility for anything`
`22:27.22`	`cladhaire`	`did you try disabling range checking or aggro checking?`
`22:27.27`	`cladhaire`	`thats where most issues would be`
`22:27.30`	`cladhaire`	`afaik`
`22:27.39`	`Scre3m`	`i was running healbot and praid in ZG last night, all of the sudden my FPS dropped to 2, ive never had that happen before`
`22:27.49`	`Scre3m`	`no, but i can try that`
`22:28.09`	`cladhaire`	`a consistent dragged 2?`
`22:28.27`	`Scre3m`	`i didnt go away until i killed wow and restarted it`
`22:28.47`	`Scre3m`	`it*`
`22:29.17`	`cladhaire`	`i'd be suprised`
`22:29.20`	`cladhaire`	`but anything is possible, really`
`22:29.24`	`Scre3m`	`yeah`
`22:29.43`	`Scre3m`	`it could be anything, i just thought i'd check and see if there are any known issues`
`22:29.58`	`cladhaire`	`nope`
`22:30.03`	`Scre3m`	`kk`
`22:30.07`	`Scre3m`	`ty for your time`
`22:30.20`	`cladhaire`	`lol np`
`22:30.30`	`Scre3m`	`now, a totally un-related quetion for you gurus`
`22:31.00`	`Scre3m`	`im tired of typing out and speaking raid strategy, i wonder if there is a way to type of the strat and push it to a window for the raid force to see and read?`
`22:31.12`	`Scre3m`	`s/type of/type out/`
`22:31.28`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Such a mod exists, or existed.`
`22:31.35`	`Scre3m`	`any idea what it was called?`
`22:31.45`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`I don't think it's been updated for 2.0, but it might still work with a toc update, etc. Would have to try and see.`
`22:31.53`	`Osagasu`	`./macro`
`22:31.54`	`Osagasu`	`:P`
`22:31.55`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Gimme a minute to sift through my PM archive and I can tell you.`
`22:32.06`	`Scre3m`	`macros send to channels, i want to send to a window`
`22:32.11`	`Scre3m`	`ok`
`22:32.27`	`Scre3m`	`or rather, pop up a window`
`22:33.56`	`Scre3m`	`is it possible in the wow ui to pop up a window to the raid force?`
`22:34.24`	`zenzelezz`	`is it your guild only?`
`22:34.28`	`Scre3m`	`yes`
`22:34.39`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Hmm, no, the thing I remember didn't send to a window.`
`22:34.48`	`Scre3m`	`kk`
`22:34.55`	`zenzelezz`	`you could probably write a custom one that they all got, which listened for a trigger to open a window (frame) and show a specific piece of info`
`22:35.00`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`It was basically a mod where you typed up all the instructions for stuff once, gave it a label, and it remembered it.`
`22:35.15`	`Scre3m`	`then what did u do with it?`
`22:35.16`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Then when you were on X boss, you'd open it, select the saved info for that one, and it'd send it out again.`
`22:35.22`	`Scre3m`	`ahh`
`22:35.26`	`Scre3m`	`send it to a window?`
`22:35.43`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`to chat, or perhaps to raidwarning`
`22:35.48`	`Scre3m`	`ic`
`22:36.45`	`AnduinLothar`	`ckknight: ping`
`22:36.57`	`ckknight`	`AnduinLothar: pong`
`22:37.06`	`End`	`dingaling`
`22:37.23`	`AnduinLothar`	`the fubar plugin makes addons standalone with a minimap button w/o fubar, right?`
`22:37.28`	`ckknight`	`yep.`
`22:37.42`	`AnduinLothar`	`so why does performanceFu require FuBar?`
`22:37.52`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Well, I found BattleInfo - which has a bunch of predefined sets . . . checking to see if that's the one I remember or if there's another.`
`22:37.52`	`ckknight`	`AnduinLothar: because it's LoD and FuBar loads it`
`22:38.03`	`Osagasu`	`Most FuBar addons have Fubar as a req`
`22:38.08`	`ckknight`	`if you want, set it to non-LoD and make FuBar an optionaldep`
`22:38.12`	`ckknight`	`should work.`
`22:38.27`	`AnduinLothar`	`how does it load it? I installed both and couldn't figure out how to load it with fubar`
`22:38.49`	`ckknight`	`AnduinLothar: hrm... right-click on FuBar, go to Interface, it should be listed`
`22:38.50`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Yeah, that's it, Battleinfo.`
`22:39.08`	`AnduinLothar`	`there's no Interface menu option`
`22:39.09`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`1238/battleinfo/ on curse.`
`22:39.18`	`ckknight`	`AnduinLothar: odd. did you install it properly?`
`22:39.24`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Hmm, and supposedly updated for 2.0.`
`22:39.42`	`AnduinLothar`	`i dropped fubar in my addons folder and dropped fubar in my addons folder`
`22:39.49`	`AnduinLothar`	`er perfomancefu*`
`22:41.08`	`ckknight`	`hrm`
`22:41.11`	`ckknight`	`should work...`
`22:41.15`	`ckknight`	`any errors?`
`22:41.23`	`AnduinLothar`	`none`
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`22:41.35`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`all externals for each there, etc?`
`22:41.36`	`AnduinLothar`	`the wardrobe fubar plugin works`
`22:41.53`	`AnduinLothar`	`no externals installed`
`22:42.07`	`AnduinLothar`	`just the embedded libs from the wowi dl`
`22:42.14`	`ckknight`	`hrm`
`22:42.18`	`ckknight`	`it should work`
`22:42.23`	`ckknight`	`I really don't know why it doesn't.`
`22:42.42`	`Castdead`	`hello guys, i'm making my first addon and i could use some advice i think:)`
`22:42.48`	`AnduinLothar`	`http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info4571-FuBar2.0.html + http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info4611-FuBar-PerformanceFu.html try it yourself`
`22:42.55`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`the embeds are what I meant. And yeah, I'm with ck on this, it -should- work.`
`22:43.07`	`ckknight`	`Castdead: okay!`
`22:43.18`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`I use performancefu. shrug`
`22:43.21`	`Castdead`	`i'm making a virtual serverside-client side curing addon`
`22:43.25`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`is beta down, or just the PTR?`
`22:43.41`	`ckknight`	`Castdead: complex`
`22:43.43`	`Castdead`	`so using sendaddon messages`
`22:43.54`	`ckknight`	`right`
`22:44.12`	`Castdead`	`so one admin gives lists to all curers of the same type`
`22:44.26`	`Castdead`	`and the problem is with those lists :)`
`22:44.35`	`AnduinLothar`	`ckk: it works if I load the addon manually`
`22:44.58`	`ckknight`	`FuBar should load it automatically shrug`
`22:45.20`	`AnduinLothar`	`did you name the folders differently for wowi?`
`22:45.27`	`AnduinLothar`	`FuBar_PerformanceFu`
`22:45.59`	`Cide`	`what convention is that anyway? so redundant!`
`22:46.05`	`Castdead`	`i make 2 two dimensional tables, one containing the old table, the other the new one. At the end of the function the new one is saved as the old, because the next "new one" is a function of the old one`
`22:46.49`	`Castdead`	`in each table is: first dimension: list of curers of a type, and second one the list they'll get`
`22:47.23`	`ckknight`	`<PROTECTED>`
`22:47.40`	`ckknight`	`Cide: PerformanceFu is the name of the plugin, FuBar_ is there to keep everything in one block`
`22:47.58`	`Cide`	`no, not at all`
`22:48.19`	`Cide`	`it's just something I've noticed earlier`
`22:48.26`	`Cide`	`"FuBar_<name>Fu"`
`22:48.29`	`ckknight`	`well, that's the reasoning`
`22:48.34`	`ckknight`	`the Fu on the end is optional`
`22:48.39`	`ckknight`	`but it's fun to put sometimes`
`22:48.50`	`ckknight`	`like for ToFu or SnaFu or StFu`
`22:48.54`	`ckknight`	`or KungFu`
`22:48.55`	`ckknight`	`etc.`
`22:48.58`	`Cide`	`yeah, it makes sense there`
`22:49.09`	`Cide`	`but it's quite common in other names too as I'm sure you're aware :)`
`22:49.09`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`It's rather handy on the interface screen or at MCPFu when trying to pick a specific Fu plugin to enable or disable. Rather than the couple of errant ones some other random place on the list.`
`22:49.13`	`cladhaire`	`so.. um.. shit.`
`22:49.21`	`Castdead`	`but because the old can't be redeclared again (can't empty it), i get an error`
`22:49.33`	`cladhaire`	`i just spec'd my priest disc`
`22:49.36`	`cladhaire`	`to test something`
`22:49.41`	`cladhaire`	`and then i realized, i'm on live`
`22:49.42`	`cladhaire`	`O.o`
`22:49.46`	`ckknight`	`lol`
`22:49.49`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`22:49.50`	`Cide`	`heh, fun`
`22:49.57`	`Cide`	`what were you before?`
`22:50.14`	`kergoth`	`i had to respec my rogue on live to test combat potency, since it has no event there. shakes fist at blizzard`
`22:51.52`	`cladhaire`	`Cide: I'm a holy priest`
`22:51.55`	`cladhaire`	`more often than not`
`22:51.58`	`cladhaire`	`but i'm switching to my druid`
`22:52.06`	`cladhaire`	`since the gear disparity between my cahracters disappears in two weeks =)`
`22:52.13`	`Cide`	`hehe, yep`
`22:52.37`	`cladhaire`	`and i'm 4/6 warlord's gear atm =)`
`22:52.42`	`cladhaire`	`with all my AV stuff =)`
`22:52.46`	`cladhaire`	`so my gear isn't that horrible :P`
`22:55.55`	`Castdead`	`if you have 2 dimensional table in lua, and u declared for example: twodimtable = {}, do you have the different rows when you go 2 dimensional?`
`22:56.19`	`ckknight`	`yes.`
`22:56.53`	`ckknight`	`Castdead: twodimtable = setmetatable({}, {__index=function(self,key) local t = {}; self[key] = t; return t end})`
`22:57.02`	`ckknight`	`twodimtable[1][1] = "stuff"`
`22:57.12`	`ckknight`	`that will auto-create rows on access`
`22:57.44`	`Castdead`	`ty alot :) cause the rows are created dynamically ofc (number and names of curers is variable)`
`22:57.53`	`ckknight`	`btw, this can be handy for new authors: http://www.wowace.com/wiki/Coding_Tips`
`22:58.01`	`ckknight`	`it's not ace-specific, but it's still quite helpful`
`22:58.38`	`Xolan[EU]`	`taking a look`
`22:58.39`	`Xolan[EU]`	`:)`
`22:59.33`	`Castdead`	`so if i'm not mistaking after setting the old table, it will be saved for the whole addon, and will not require redeclaration?`
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`22:59.59`	`Castdead`	`when i do that metatable declaration out of the function`
`23:00.23`	`ckknight`	`right, Castdead`
`23:00.31`	`ckknight`	`the metatable is saved on the table`
`23:01.00`	`Castdead`	`globally for addon, but not for enviroment?`
`23:02.08`	`ckknight`	`for environment, Castdead`
`23:02.27`	`ckknight`	`as long as someone can access the table, they'll be using the metatable attached`
`23:03.27`	`Castdead`	`allright, going to test the changes right away :). And after that a lot of cleaning work, because it's still quite messy`
`23:04.39`	`Xolan[EU]`	`could use a hand here if you're not too busy. Basically I'm grabbing the name and class of the raidmembers into a table (2dim so I can go raidmember[1][name] for example) then feeding it to a string. I get an error I can't figure out though, both the lua and the error's described here http://wowi.pastey.net/4482`
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`23:06.09`	`bleetah`	`ckknight: I'm sure you've thought about it, but I think some of those tips would benefit from being on wowwiki.com, as they'd reach a wider (ie, non-Ace2) audience.`
`23:06.15`	`bleetah`	`ckknight: nice write up too, btw :)`
`23:06.37`	`ckknight`	`bleetah: yea, maybe later, it's nowhere near done`
`23:06.43`	`ckknight`	`I started it only a few days ago`
`23:08.38`	`Xolan[EU]`	`anyone?`
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`23:14.05`	`Castdead`	`what line was error Xolan?`
`23:14.47`	`Xolan[EU]`	`24`
`23:16.05`	`Xolan[EU]`	`erm no`
`23:16.11`	`Xolan[EU]`	`let me produce that error again...`
`23:16.47`	`Xolan[EU]`	`22`
`23:17.21`	`Xolan[EU]`	`probably me not knowing how to use twodimentional tables in lua just yet :\`
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`23:18.57`	`Castdead`	`your first and second are {name=raidmembername, class=raidmemberclass}`
`23:19.24`	`Xolan[EU]`	`?`
`23:19.42`	`Castdead`	`and in line 22 , the first is the number for the name, but in the second you got the class, but u ask for the name then`
`23:20.08`	`Castdead`	`raidmembers[i][name]`
`23:20.19`	`Xolan[EU]`	`yeah that's the way I'd like it to be`
`23:20.37`	`Xolan[EU]`	`so I can call raidmembers[i][name] for the name and raidmembers[i][class] for the class`
`23:22.28`	`Xolan[EU]`	`so if you could point me in the right direction to make that happen that would be great`
`23:23.09`	`Castdead`	`if you want something like that i think you should do it quite differently`
`23:23.37`	`Xolan[EU]`	`hm`
`23:23.51`	`Xolan[EU]`	`I'm only used to php so I'm not sure how to do this in lua :\`
`23:24.00`	`Castdead`	`let's say: table[raidid] and then ["name"] or ["name]`
`23:24.07`	`Castdead`	`i'm also a php guy :)`
`23:24.10`	`Xolan[EU]`	`:)`
`23:24.27`	`Castdead`	`[name"] or ["class"]`
`23:25.34`	`Xolan[EU]`	`um`
`23:27.08`	`Xolan[EU]`	`you mean like table[raidid]["name"] / table[raidid]["class"] ?`
`23:28.04`	`Castdead`	`raidmembers[i]["name"] to return the value for the name`
`23:28.15`	`Castdead`	`and not raidmembers[i][name]`
`23:28.18`	`Xolan[EU]`	`ah`
`23:28.25`	`Xolan[EU]`	`so just the " " then`
`23:28.37`	`Castdead`	`yeah`
`23:29.17`	`Xolan[EU]`	`in queue, will check in a bit`
`23:29.50`	`Xolan[EU]`	`right well that was an easy fix`
`23:29.52`	`Xolan[EU]`	`thanks :)`
`23:30.15`	`Castdead`	`pleasure :) now i hope my errors are fixed when i log in :) gl`
`23:30.36`	`Xolan[EU]`	`one more question. Do double and single quotes work in lua like in php?`
`23:30.44`	`Castdead`	`yeah`
`23:30.56`	`Xolan[EU]`	`meaning what in double quotes gets parsed and single is interpeted litteraly`
`23:30.59`	`Xolan[EU]`	`ok :)`
`23:31.18`	`Xolan[EU]`	`so I should really use ' ' there then, not " "`
`23:31.44`	`Castdead`	`oh no, i think i misunderstood, it's interchangable in lua`
`23:32.20`	`Castdead`	`it's " " for sure, but i think it's same in lua`
`23:32.28`	`Xolan[EU]`	`hm k, I'll just stick with the double quotation. It's not like this mod will be efficient in any other way atm so lol`
`23:32.58`	`Xolan[EU]`	`enough spam from me for a while, thanks again`
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`23:44.08`	`Xolan[EU]`	`one last question :P how do I close a color expression?`
`23:44.33`	`Cide`	`color expression?`
`23:45.00`	`Xolan[EU]`	`erm like \|cffcdcdcd this will be colored`
`23:45.06`	`Cide`	`oh`
`23:45.09`	`Xolan[EU]`	`how do I close it?`
`23:45.10`	`Cide`	`\|r`
`23:45.13`	`Xolan[EU]`	`aha thanks`
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