| 00:00.36 | sylvanaar | was r47 |
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| 00:02.07 | Sstixrud | hmmm anyone used GetRaidRosterInfo before? |
| 00:02.10 | foxlit | 1/14 00:40:32.531 Couldn't find relative frame: RAB_SettingsPanel3Divider |
| 00:02.16 | foxlit | Hm. |
| 00:02.23 | foxlit | Sstixrud: yes |
| 00:02.34 | Sstixrud | when I change a raid members group/slot subgroup does not update for some reason keeps reporting 0 and 2 for my two test members |
| 00:04.08 | Sstixrud | doh I think I see the problem... I am only doing local name, subgroup = GetRaidRosterInfo(x) I am not defining all the arguements |
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| 00:05.04 | Sstixrud | nevermind I was being a tard |
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| 00:08.41 | SDammy | any locks on that have completed epic mount quest? |
| 00:10.32 | abug | a long time ago |
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| 00:11.00 | SDammy | k |
| 00:11.09 | SDammy | so I can skip the mats correct? |
| 00:11.30 | SDammy | candle bell and such |
| 00:11.36 | abug | you have to do everything up to buying them back from the goblin |
| 00:11.47 | SDammy | I have |
| 00:11.52 | SDammy | but now i dont know where to get the quest |
| 00:11.58 | SDammy | to go to dm |
| 00:12.17 | abug | dunno, should've been towards the end |
| 00:12.22 | SDammy | Im at the point where i can take stuff to the goblin |
| 00:12.40 | abug | what stuff? |
| 00:13.09 | Sstixrud | foxlit ok I figured out subgroup, but can I determine which subgroup-slot a player is in? like subgroup5, slot 2 |
| 00:13.54 | foxlit | What do you need slots for, exactly? |
| 00:14.28 | SDammy | the Bell, Candlem, and Wheel stuff abug |
| 00:14.45 | foxlit | As far as I know, they don't even exist outside the raid roster window |
| 00:14.49 | abug | take it to him? |
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| 00:15.23 | abug | is the goblin a vendor for you? |
| 00:15.27 | Sstixrud | ya, it looks like the first player placed in a subgroup is always first slot, and second always second, if first leaves second becomes first |
| 00:15.33 | Sstixrud | so it shouldnt matter for my mod |
| 00:15.33 | SDammy | yes abug |
| 00:15.42 | abug | does he sell all the mats? |
| 00:15.51 | SDammy | i turn stuff into him |
| 00:15.52 | abug | or just the potions? |
| 00:15.56 | SDammy | just potion |
| 00:16.17 | abug | ah the only skippable part is when he makes you buy the wheel and crap back |
| 00:16.25 | foxlit | How does the XML parser instance frames? |
| 00:16.33 | SDammy | confused? |
| 00:16.40 | abug | you've gotta make them |
| 00:16.54 | abug | but then he holds onto em for you, and later you have to buy them back |
| 00:16.56 | SDammy | but ive read everywhere you dont have to have the stuff |
| 00:17.00 | SDammy | ah |
| 00:17.05 | foxlit | If I've got a <Texture> in a <Layer> anchoring to a subframe of the texture's frame, does that work at XML load-time, or do I have to force it through lua? |
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| 00:17.56 | abug | XML makes me bleed |
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| 00:22.17 | abug | purl, bleed |
| 00:24.50 | Scre3m | autobar author in this channel? |
| 00:25.09 | Esamynn | hey all, how goes it? |
| 00:25.23 | Scre3m | hey bro, love the mod, but getting an error all of sudden |
| 00:25.56 | Esamynn | Scre3m: no no, i'm not that author |
| 00:26.01 | Esamynn | just was saying hi to everyone, sorry |
| 00:26.04 | Scre3m | oops sorry |
| 00:26.17 | Esamynn | no worries, I can see how yo made the mistake :) |
| 00:28.31 | bleetah | hah - my BC supplier just rang again to make sure I was going to the launch |
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| 00:29.35 | Esamynn | lol |
| 00:30.42 | Bouvi | Anyone know a good tooltip addon like Tipbuddy? I cannot find a current version of it. |
| 00:31.11 | abug | what's tipbuddy do? |
| 00:31.34 | sysrage | wtf is with the login screen delay now? (doesn't show username/password box right away anymore) |
| 00:31.39 | Bouvi | Gives you full control over tooltips |
| 00:32.11 | abug | like theorycraft? or just moving / hiding tooltips? |
| 00:32.24 | Bouvi | what does Theorycraft do :) |
| 00:32.51 | abug | updates your tooltips damage/healing to account for various factors |
| 00:33.00 | abug | and adds things like DPM |
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| 00:34.41 | Guillotine | sysrage: thats a silent trojan check |
| 00:34.44 | Guillotine | it just doesn't show the box anymore |
| 00:34.56 | Scre3m | Lithe Tooltip Doctor is good |
| 00:35.03 | Bouvi | Tipbuddy just gives me control over how it looks |
| 00:35.09 | Esamynn | Guillotine: yah, it's been like that on the beta for a long time |
| 00:35.15 | Esamynn | I don't know why they removed the box |
| 00:36.10 | berg_x1 | has theorycraft been updated ? :0 |
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| 00:37.11 | abug | http://wow.curse-gaming.com/en/files/details/5360/theorycraft-2/ |
| 00:37.19 | abug | not fully apparently |
| 00:37.31 | berg_x1 | i think i was checking the old one for updates :) hehe |
| 00:37.32 | berg_x1 | thanks |
| 00:37.46 | abug | dunno if it has the new rank scaling |
| 00:37.50 | SDammy | whats theorycraft? |
| 00:38.06 | abug | scroll up a little bit |
| 00:40.55 | SDammy | controls tooltips? |
| 00:42.07 | abug | modifies ability tooltips to include your +dmg/healing and other factors against your current target |
| 00:42.27 | abug | you can also add things like Damage Per Mana, DPS, Healing Per Second |
| 00:42.55 | abug | so it gives you a pretty good idea of what your spell is going to hit for |
| 00:43.08 | abug | at least it did, now it's not as good |
| 00:43.22 | foxlit | What's changed? |
| 00:44.02 | abug | the new ratings, new talents, the scaling on healing/damage with downranking |
| 00:44.32 | foxlit | Aren't formulas for all of those relatively public? |
| 00:45.08 | abug | somewhat, although they had to be reverse engineered |
| 00:45.36 | abug | see rating buster |
| 00:45.42 | abug | or whatever it's called |
| 00:48.15 | foxlit | But meh, the default UI converts ratings to % |
| 00:49.34 | Outlaw | It does? |
| 00:49.39 | Outlaw | hmm |
| 00:49.51 | zenzelezz | check your Defenses for example |
| 00:50.06 | Shadowed | Are you talking about on the tooltip, or on the character sheet? |
| 00:50.06 | sysrage | what self/target/party frame mods to people suggest? |
| 00:50.14 | abug | only gives vs same level mobs though |
| 00:50.32 | abug | I use the default ones |
| 00:50.40 | abug | but I'm a warlock so I can get away with that |
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| 00:52.44 | Bouvi | So anyone else have an idea about a tooltip enhancer like tipbuddy that works. |
| 00:53.16 | sysrage | whatever tooltip thing cosmos uses is pretty good |
| 00:53.49 | sysrage | probably not what you want though |
| 00:54.06 | Kirov | tinytip |
| 00:54.21 | Bouvi | lol I was just looking at that |
| 00:54.49 | Bouvi | Gonna give it a try |
| 00:55.49 | foxlit | Couldn't play with the default ones when mine broke, and my main is a mage :/ |
| 00:56.07 | foxlit | Missed the integrated mobhealth in pvp :) |
| 01:01.41 | foxlit | http://wowi.pastey.net/5057 |
| 01:01.56 | foxlit | (XML anchoring again -- still puzzled as to why it doesn't work. Error message + code inside) |
| 01:06.26 | sysrage | is fubar a lot better than titan panel? |
| 01:06.44 | kahdgarxi | there's a lot more mods that are a lot more frequently updated |
| 01:06.47 | kahdgarxi | i like it a lot better |
| 01:06.52 | kahdgarxi | and you can drag stuff around on the bar |
| 01:08.06 | sysrage | guess i'll give it a try |
| 01:12.05 | kahdgarxi | http://www.wowace.com/files/ has a good list of fubar addons |
| 01:12.10 | Bouvi | I left Titan a long time ago I will never go back |
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| 01:12.42 | Tain | Anyone remember offhand how much it ends up costing for the epic flying mounts in tbs? |
| 01:12.48 | Tain | tbc that is |
| 01:13.04 | Kirov | 9000? |
| 01:13.08 | Bouvi | 4800 or so |
| 01:13.12 | Bouvi | Close to 5000 |
| 01:13.22 | Kirov | ONE MILLION! |
| 01:13.33 | kahdgarxi | OVER NINE THOUSAND!!! |
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| 01:14.19 | Kirkburn|afk | Tain, 5000g training, 200g per mount |
| 01:14.24 | Kirkburn|afk | No discount |
| 01:14.58 | Tain | One million it is! |
| 01:15.06 | Tain | Thanks I couldn't remember. |
| 01:15.37 | Orclev | ok, I'm trying to figure out a problem I'm having with a AddOn I'm trying to write. It's my first one so I'm still getting my feet under me (but I'm an experience programmer, I do java programming for a living). The lua file seems to get read fine, but it looks like WoW is ignoring the xml file |
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| 01:16.29 | Orclev | I can use /script to manually call the functions, but nothing happens other than that |
| 01:16.40 | Orclev | anyone got any ideas? |
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| 01:19.19 | Guillotine | try posting your xml file on pastey.net |
| 01:19.31 | Guillotine | and we can see if we can spot anything wrong :) |
| 01:19.49 | Guillotine | anybody know of a good working version of something like luaslinger? |
| 01:19.50 | Orclev | ok |
| 01:22.16 | Orclev | ok, I pasted it in to pastey.net, but I can't figure out how to submit it... I don't see a submit button anywhere |
| 01:22.33 | Guillotine | "Paste"] |
| 01:22.49 | Guillotine | right below the text box |
| 01:22.58 | Guillotine | then just give us the url |
| 01:23.11 | Orclev | ah, that's horrible UI design, the button looks the same as a text box |
| 01:23.18 | Orclev | http://pastey.net/5058 |
| 01:23.32 | foxlit | Orclev: Logs/FrameXML.txt is awesome for checking XML errors |
| 01:23.44 | foxlit | Opening XML files in IE is also a way to check that the syntax is correct. |
| 01:24.36 | Guillotine | looks fine to me, though if its going to be that simple you don't really need an xml file |
| 01:24.38 | Orclev | hmm... says it couldn't parse the xml file in the FrameXML.log... thanks for mentioning that, that's an excellent debuging tool |
| 01:24.58 | Orclev | I'm going to be expanding it, I'm just trying to get the basics right now |
| 01:25.04 | Guillotine | ok |
| 01:25.34 | Guillotine | try copy+pasting from pastey back to your file. Its possible that somehow an invisible character got put in there |
| 01:25.43 | Guillotine | happened to me a while ago. Took forever to debug >< |
| 01:26.25 | foxlit | You sure comments are valid in XML? |
| 01:26.59 | Orclev | means they have a poor xml parser in WoW... yeah, I've seen comments in all the other addons, and as for vanilla XML, I use them all the time |
| 01:27.48 | foxlit | Try http://pastey.net/5061 |
| 01:28.32 | Orclev | hmm, still says it can't parse it |
| 01:28.40 | foxlit | Any detail on that? |
| 01:29.09 | Orclev | give me a sec, copying what you sent |
| 01:30.35 | Orclev | nope, still says it can't parse it |
| 01:31.08 | Corrodias | i have used comments in wow xml, personally |
| 01:31.29 | Corrodias | but i'm not so sure that's a valid comment tag. are you sure they end with --!> ? |
| 01:31.46 | Orclev | hmm... not totally |
| 01:31.55 | Orclev | I'll try that |
| 01:32.00 | Corrodias | <!-- Notepad.xml; see Notepad.lua for more info --> |
| 01:32.25 | Kirov | You might try putting your .xml through a generic xml validator |
| 01:32.25 | Orclev | gah, that's what it was |
| 01:32.28 | Corrodias | as you can see, the correct way to end a comment tag is with --> |
| 01:32.31 | Kirov | there's plenty online |
| 01:32.38 | Corrodias | Kirov knows |
| 01:32.57 | Orclev | I could have sworn that was a valid end tag for a comment. Oh well, thanks for the help |
| 01:33.08 | Corrodias | enjoy |
| 01:33.58 | Orclev | well, I'll probably be back at some point for more help, still have alot to learn about the way blizzard has set this stuff up |
| 01:34.17 | foxlit | Hey, stick around :) |
| 01:34.25 | Guillotine | wow, it looks like there is no luapad/luaslinger/tinypad/ect. out for 2.0 :( |
| 01:34.32 | foxlit | Er. |
| 01:34.40 | foxlit | Mine still works... all the way from 1.3 or something. |
| 01:35.00 | Corrodias | luaslinger works in 2.0, except that the "example code" in comments doesn't work, so the library page is blank |
| 01:35.20 | Guillotine | hmm. ok |
| 01:35.22 | Corrodias | and/or i downloaded a new version |
| 01:35.38 | Orclev | hey, anyone know what the correct version code is for the latest patch? |
| 01:36.00 | foxlit | 20003? |
| 01:36.24 | Guillotine | 20004 I believe |
| 01:36.28 | Guillotine | isn't it? |
| 01:36.36 | Guillotine | or did they not update it for 2.0.4? |
| 01:36.43 | foxlit | It's been debated, methinks. |
| 01:36.44 | Orclev | I think I tried that and it still reported it was out of date |
| 01:36.45 | foxlit | I'll go check |
| 01:37.48 | foxlit | Nope, we're out of Bear Claws! |
| 01:37.59 | foxlit | [It's still 20003] |
| 01:39.16 | Orclev | thanks |
| 01:39.46 | sysrage | fubar rocks |
| 01:39.52 | sysrage | whisperfu doesn't work right though |
| 01:40.37 | Corrodias | where do i find the .torrent that the blizzard updater is using? |
| 01:40.44 | Corrodias | i mean, among the files on my local system |
| 01:42.09 | Corrodias | oh, wikipedia comes through again |
| 01:42.11 | foxlit | You know, I was looking for it while downloading 2.0.3, but I could only find the 2.0.0 |
| 01:46.51 | Corrodias | it can be extracted with a hex editor from your WoW-2.0.3-enUS-downloader.exe (assuming it's enUS version) |
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| 01:53.12 | foxlit | Did table lib get significantly cut in 5.1? (deprecation, that is?) |
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| 01:59.34 | Kirov | hmm? |
| 02:00.17 | foxlit | LUA docs show like 4 functions inside table |
| 02:00.31 | foxlit | concat, insert, remove, and sort, if memory serves |
| 02:02.02 | Corrodias | okay... is that unusual? |
| 02:02.04 | Kirov | setn,insert,getn,foreachi,maxn,foreach,concat,sort, remove |
| 02:02.23 | Kirov | that's what's in table in game |
| 02:02.37 | foxlit | setn, getn, foreachi, foreach are deprecated, then. |
| 02:02.56 | Kirov | yes |
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| 02:07.53 | sysrage | sRaidFrames! |
| 02:07.58 | sysrage | sweet.. now i don't need ctraid |
| 02:11.57 | sysrage | how do i move the main tank window in oRA2? |
| 02:12.20 | Kirov | shift or alt + drag |
| 02:12.22 | Kirov | forget which |
| 02:12.34 | sysrage | alt.. thanks |
| 02:22.57 | abug | is there a list of default font strings somewhere? |
| 02:23.58 | abug | nevermind |
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| 02:28.25 | Bouvi | Tinytip works great. Not as easy to setup but still works like I need it too |
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| 02:42.48 | abug | do created buttons automatically come with a default font string? |
| 02:46.12 | End | probably not |
| 02:46.18 | End | unless you inherit |
| 02:46.23 | End | but don't take my word for it ;p |
| 02:46.39 | Cide | they kinda do.. you have to set its buttontext otherwise, I believe |
| 02:46.41 | abug | Button:SetText() confuses me |
| 02:50.16 | vith | does x-perl freeze shortly when people join/leave the raid because it's trying to save memory by creating the frames on the fly? |
| 02:50.32 | vith | because i think i'd rather just waste a little more memory :/ |
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| 03:03.16 | Guillotine | [Ammo]: you there? |
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| 03:11.27 | Mike-N-Go | Does anyone have any suggestions on what would make my addon, http://pastey.net/5063 , better? |
| 03:15.48 | Tain | Gah EZUnlock addon (unlock button for trade window) isn't working. Makes me sad. |
| 03:16.12 | sysrage | most fubar mods have the 'position' setting so you can have it on the right side of the bar. sRaidFrames doesn't have it. would it be easy to add? |
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| 04:00.29 | Kirov | krka - you around? |
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| 04:22.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | 2days 38mins 5secs until Burning Crusade. |
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| 04:22.38 | Matholum|afk | hi everyone |
| 04:22.52 | Mike-N-Go | Hi |
| 04:23.21 | Corrodias | damn those 38 minutes |
| 04:23.29 | Corrodias | 38 minutes? i suspect we've got different time zones |
| 04:23.46 | Corrodias | i suspect nobody's going to sell me a copy of the game at 11pm |
| 04:23.55 | Corrodias | i'm very suspicious |
| 04:24.08 | End | you should be |
| 04:24.14 | End | Mr_Rabies2 eats small children |
| 04:25.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | thats based on EST |
| 04:25.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | :P |
| 04:25.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | the first release of bc i think |
| 04:29.12 | Corrodias | then... midnight |
| 04:29.55 | Corrodias | i wonder if wal-mart will put it on the shelves at that time |
| 04:32.13 | Corrodias | "The title 'Scarab Lord' can now be chosen in the game for select players"? |
| 04:34.13 | cladhaire | Corrodias: Those who rang the gong in the AQ event |
| 04:34.16 | cladhaire | and have the legendary mount |
| 04:34.27 | cladhaire | I believe |
| 04:34.36 | cladhaire | Perhaps those who rang the gong after the 10 hours as well |
| 04:40.42 | Corrodias | hmm, Swipe and Maul no longer generate as much threat? that sounds... odd |
| 04:40.57 | Shadowed | It's Blizzards solution to Druids not being as powerful tanks |
| 04:41.06 | berg_x1 | yeah but they bumped upthe multiplier on ac. |
| 04:41.08 | Corrodias | making them even worse? :o |
| 04:41.13 | berg_x1 | druid friend has like 9500ac now hehe |
| 04:41.40 | sysrage | bergzy |
| 04:41.51 | Shadowed | our full resto Druids have around 2k more armor then I do in like full naxx/aq40 tanking gear while prot |
| 04:42.01 | Shadowed | which makes me sad |
| 04:42.17 | Corrodias | hmm, Tranquility is even generally less useful than before |
| 04:42.33 | Shadowed | Whats the mana cost on Tranquility now? |
| 04:42.40 | Corrodias | 40% higher |
| 04:42.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | 1295 mana at 60 |
| 04:43.03 | Shadowed | is that with or without resto talents? |
| 04:43.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's not TOO bad for 1097 every 2 sec |
| 04:43.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | without |
| 04:43.08 | Corrodias | once per 10 minutes you can hit an oshit button that might keep your party from dying for 8 seconds |
| 04:43.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm feral |
| 04:43.15 | cladhaire | Anyone know how to clear a dropdown menu? |
| 04:43.35 | Corrodias | thing is, i don't like "once per 10 minutes" skills. if i can't use it very often, it's not being used very often. |
| 04:43.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | <berg_x1> druid friend has like 9500ac now hehe |
| 04:43.41 | Shadowed | UIDropDownMenu_ClearAll? |
| 04:43.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm sitting at about 16000 |
| 04:43.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | :O |
| 04:43.57 | Corrodias | i used Tranquility about once per week before, if i were playing in a party every day. |
| 04:44.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'd say itll get used more now |
| 04:44.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | not less |
| 04:44.10 | cladhaire | Shadowed: Thanks |
| 04:44.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's a LOT more powerful |
| 04:44.13 | Shadowed | takes the dropdown you want to clear as an argument |
| 04:44.30 | Shadowed | it's not a channel still right? |
| 04:44.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah it is |
| 04:44.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | barkskin+tranquility = win |
| 04:44.45 | Corrodias | yeah, well, as long as i'm not having a tougher fight in the next 10 minutes |
| 04:45.04 | Shadowed | It's not that bad for fights like sapph or vael where your party is taking alot of damage and priests may need help keeping a group up |
| 04:45.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's why it has such a long cooldown :P |
| 04:45.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | you gotta know when you need it |
| 04:45.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | at least during that 8 seconds it's incredibly powerful |
| 04:45.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | instead of utterly useless once per 5 minutes |
| 04:45.57 | Corrodias | it was... yeah, pretty much useless >_> |
| 04:46.08 | Corrodias | it's had good benefits before, if your party could kill the mobs in that 10 seconds |
| 04:46.13 | Shadowed | every spell has it's uses, you may not often use the spell but when you do you love it :p |
| 04:46.36 | Corrodias | i dunno, Shadowed, i've never been too thrilled by that spell that reduces a beast's aggro radius |
| 04:46.55 | Shadowed | herb/vein gathering |
| 04:47.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | 1.5 sec cast, better to just fight them :x |
| 04:47.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | or hibernate at the least |
| 04:47.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | since you know they won't aggro until later |
| 04:47.40 | Corrodias | the only place i've ever had trouble with mobs bothering me while gathering is the plaguelands, where it's two or three on my ass at once despite my disinterest in them |
| 04:47.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | soothe beast still being 1.5 is utter crap btw |
| 04:47.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | they made it 1.5 when they made mind soothe 1.5 |
| 04:48.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | cause priests were exploiting ZF and stuff with it i guess |
| 04:48.11 | Shadowed | mind soothe is instant cast |
| 04:48.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | then they dropped MS back to instant and soothe beast is 1.5 still |
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| 04:48.42 | Shadowed | making mind soothe 1.5s cast wouldn't prevent exploiting anyway, since you still have spell range of 30yd |
| 04:49.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'd actually use soothe beasts if it wasn't 1.5 |
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| 04:49.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | occasionally |
| 04:49.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's almost always better to just use hibernate |
| 04:49.31 | Corrodias | Frost Nova has been renamed to Freeze? :/ |
| 04:49.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | for the water elemental |
| 04:49.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | cause it was having problems with macros |
| 04:49.51 | Corrodias | ... oh, the spell that the elemental summon has? |
| 04:49.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | it would cast THEIR frost nova, not the mage's |
| 04:49.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | er |
| 04:49.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | it would cast THEIR frost nova, not the elemental |
| 04:50.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | i hate freeze |
| 04:50.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | that crap is like a mile radius |
| 04:51.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | thankfully most mages think water elemental is useless and don't use it :D |
| 04:51.49 | Corrodias | i'd like to consider it for my mage, but i think i wanted some arcane talents too much |
| 04:52.07 | Corrodias | lemme load that talent calculator |
| 04:52.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm most likely going frost |
| 04:53.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | my crit rate is so high as frost, i love it |
| 04:53.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | frot mages must destroy warriors |
| 04:53.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | frost* |
| 04:54.16 | Corrodias | i have two possible mage builds here |
| 04:54.17 | kahdgarxi | yes they do |
| 04:55.08 | Corrodias | one goes down to Arcane Potency in Arcane and Ice Barrier in Frost, and the other goes down to Arcane Power and Spell Power in Arcane and Shatter in Frost |
| 04:56.13 | Corrodias | not sure which i'd want more. i don't know why i didn't save wowhead URL's. i need to remake these. |
| 04:57.05 | sysrage | how can i find out what mod is tainting things so my pet bar doesn't show up? |
| 04:57.57 | Matholum | disable the mone by one? |
| 04:58.02 | Matholum | *them one |
| 04:58.24 | sysrage | thought there was a mod that tracked taints? |
| 04:58.32 | sysrage | or something.. i have a crapload of mods |
| 04:58.33 | Corrodias | this is the first one: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=RbxVc0f0xcZZVVMhRfxs0o |
| 04:59.04 | Shadowed | frost mages destroy any melee class :p |
| 04:59.55 | sysrage | rogues own us if they get the jump on us. pallys just use their panzy bubble and kick our butt |
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| 05:00.16 | Corrodias | and this is the other: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=obxVc0fzxIzbZZVAG0c0x |
| 05:00.24 | Shadowed | good frost mage will kill rogues/warriors easly |
| 05:00.43 | Shadowed | although, nothing makes me happier then forcing them to blink/nova, trinket, and queue up/smash every ability as soon as i'm in range and hitting them for like 2.5k-4k damage in a few seconds |
| 05:00.48 | Corrodias | one appears to be designed for AoE farming and the other for maximum damage, to my eye that hasn't seen them for a month |
| 05:00.51 | Corrodias | 2 months |
| 05:00.53 | sysrage | i kill most rogues. but like i said. they get the jump on us and stunlock.. not much you can do |
| 05:01.22 | Shadowed | if they burn enough cooldowns they'll always kill you anyway |
| 05:03.50 | Corrodias | with the first one, you get Ice Barrier, and you get skills that help you with AoE farming like i read about. the second one focuses more on highest damage output... |
| 05:04.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | //say $rand(A,Z) $+ $rand(a,z) $+ $rand(a,z) $+ $rand(a,z) $+ $rand(a,z) $+ $rand(a,z) $+ $rand(a,z) $+ $rand(a,z) $+ $rand(a,z) $+ $rand(a,z) $+ $rand(a,z) $+ $rand(a,z) $+ . |
| 05:04.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm so easily amused |
| 05:04.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | Esehalcjukha. |
| 05:04.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | Jdgyqpivlbdi. |
| 05:04.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | :o |
| 05:05.18 | sysrage | if you're going frost, you better get ice barrier |
| 05:05.23 | sysrage | would be insane not to |
| 05:05.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah its awesome |
| 05:05.35 | Corrodias | Rabiesisdumb. |
| 05:05.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | ohsnap |
| 05:05.41 | Corrodias | whoa! |
| 05:05.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's like an ouija board |
| 05:05.55 | Corrodias | so totally legit |
| 05:06.07 | Matholum | lol |
| 05:06.40 | Corrodias | okay, given that information, do you care to give an opinion on this? http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=RbxVc0f0xcZZVVMhRfxs0o |
| 05:08.15 | Corrodias | i might be convinced to pull a few more out of arcane in favor of a bit more high-end frost |
| 05:10.20 | Corrodias | just how cool is this water elemental? |
| 05:10.51 | Thrae | What's the general Curse Gaming channel? I'm having a problem with a mod on its website. |
| 05:11.06 | Corrodias | you want to torture them with inappropriate questions? >_> |
| 05:11.20 | Thrae | s/a mod/downloading a mod/ |
| 05:12.33 | Corrodias | i might prefer http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=RbxVc0cZZVVMIRfxsbop if that elemental is useful enough |
| 05:13.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm thinking about something like this for my mage if i ever get him to 70 |
| 05:13.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=ow0VZZVAGcofxsiot |
| 05:15.19 | Corrodias | the major difference is that, from what i was reading, it's much easier to perform AoE farming, if you want to do that sort of thing, with permafrost and improved blizzard and without frostbite |
| 05:15.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | eh |
| 05:15.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'd rather kick ass in pvp |
| 05:15.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | forstbite is godly for pvp |
| 05:16.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | you're constantly critting and kiting |
| 05:16.32 | Corrodias | that would be nice... |
| 05:16.52 | Corrodias | the only reason the aoe farmer recommended not having it is that it tends to let the crowd of mobs spread out when only some get frozen in place |
| 05:17.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah frostbite is bad for aoe farming |
| 05:17.34 | Corrodias | such tough choices |
| 05:17.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | permafrost is useful only for aoe farming and same with imp blizzard pretty much |
| 05:17.38 | Corrodias | then again, i've never been a big pvp buff |
| 05:18.19 | Corrodias | i'm typically not great at pvp in any game. i would never be at the top in the Arenas. |
| 05:18.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm pretty good at it |
| 05:19.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | i can drop people in tier 3 in my blues pretty reliably |
| 05:19.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | but that's not necessarily cause i'm good |
| 05:19.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | tier 3 people just have no idea how to pvp most of the time |
| 05:19.22 | Corrodias | my healing druid wasn't very good at killing things |
| 05:19.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | well no crap :p |
| 05:20.14 | Corrodias | i basically have no experience in WoW PvP from a killing things perspective |
| 05:20.20 | Thrae | Balance/Resto >> Resto. Tree of Life sucks. I still say Feral is decent as healbot, and I still say Nurturing Instinct isn't crap. |
| 05:21.11 | sysrage | anybody here use x-perl? |
| 05:21.15 | Thrae | Full Balance is also decent as Healbot too, but not in versatility. |
| 05:21.42 | Corrodias | i use it, sysrage |
| 05:21.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | nurturing instinct is crap :| |
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| 05:21.55 | sysrage | nvrmind. reloadui fixed it.. i wasn't getting right click menus |
| 05:21.56 | Thrae | Mr_Rabies2: Not for me and my gear |
| 05:21.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | 2 talent points for an almost unnoticable amount of +healing |
| 05:22.21 | Corrodias | where is Nurturing Instinct on the trees? i'm not at all familiar with the new druid talents. |
| 05:22.27 | Thrae | Corrodias: Feral |
| 05:22.32 | Corrodias | there it is.. |
| 05:22.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | beside FFF |
| 05:22.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah |
| 05:23.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | our 21 point talents kinda suck except for savage fury and NS |
| 05:23.21 | Thrae | I'd say it's either 2/2 in Nurturing Instinct or +2 in Survival of the Fittest for a 41 Feral |
| 05:23.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | eh |
| 05:23.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | both of those are a waste of points imo |
| 05:24.11 | Thrae | +25 Defense per rank is a waste of points? |
| 05:24.21 | Corrodias | i suppose if i'm going to play my druid at all, my only level 60 character, i ought to familiarize myself with the new talent layout and actually use my talent points |
| 05:24.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah when there's resilience everywhere, thrae |
| 05:24.41 | Corrodias | who said anything about Defense? |
| 05:24.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | and not to mention we can't tank reliably anymore :/ |
| 05:24.53 | Thrae | Well not everyone has the best gear Mr_Rabies2 |
| 05:24.56 | Corrodias | i'd say bear tanking is pretty dead, yeah. |
| 05:25.02 | Thrae | There's lots of talents that are outdated with better gear |
| 05:25.05 | Thrae | Well |
| 05:25.14 | Thrae | Some talents, Nurturing Instinct included |
| 05:25.33 | Corrodias | bear form is a pvp thing now, eh? |
| 05:26.02 | Thrae | Come BC we can try tanking again in 5 and 10-mans |
| 05:26.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | eh not really corr |
| 05:26.06 | ZealotOnAStick | Bear tanking isn't dead. |
| 05:26.20 | Corrodias | swipe and maul don't generate as much threat as before, i thought i read. |
| 05:26.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | the extra survivability doesn't make up for the fact that you're much higher profile as a bear |
| 05:26.30 | ZealotOnAStick | No, they generate thread -differently- |
| 05:26.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | swipe generates 75% less aggro |
| 05:26.33 | ZealotOnAStick | threat |
| 05:26.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | than it used to |
| 05:26.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | and uh |
| 05:26.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | maul generates the same as heroic strike |
| 05:26.51 | ZealotOnAStick | It's a flat bonus now rather than a percentage based one. |
| 05:26.53 | Corrodias | i don't know how much heroic strike generates |
| 05:27.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | pretty useless amount |
| 05:27.07 | ZealotOnAStick | Hold on, lemme see if I can find the link . . . |
| 05:27.08 | Corrodias | i really don't know much about warriors. |
| 05:27.09 | Thrae | Thick Hide and Survival of the Fittest really help until you get the best gear, most of which is upper-eschelon or rare |
| 05:27.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | my gear's medium level stuff and i just see SotF as a huge talent dump |
| 05:27.34 | Thrae | Mr_Rabies2: Bear Form also gives a threat bonus similiar to Defensive Stance |
| 05:27.38 | ZealotOnAStick | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=65217264&sid=1 |
| 05:27.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah, it does, thrae |
| 05:27.44 | Corrodias | can't be that huge; it's only 3 points |
| 05:27.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | but all we have is heroic strike for threat now until 66 |
| 05:28.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | then we have kinda sunder, but so many mobs are bleed immune |
| 05:28.44 | Thrae | Corrodias: Survival of the Fittest increases your Defense by 75 (Druid calculation) and stats by 3%, and Thick Hide increases your armour by +10%. I'd pick Survival of the Fittest over Thick Hide. |
| 05:29.09 | Corrodias | i mean, it can't be a HUGE talent dump if it's only 3 points :) |
| 05:29.30 | Thrae | I bet Mr_Rabies2 doesn't like Improved Leader of the Pack either ;) |
| 05:29.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | no i love it |
| 05:29.46 | Thrae | Mr_Rabies2: Even at 4%? |
| 05:29.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | i liked it better at 6%, definitely |
| 05:30.06 | Thrae | Yeah, that was awesome |
| 05:30.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | i think it's more likely to get us into raids as feral at 6% |
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| 05:30.27 | Corrodias | that forum post has some strange terms and math that i'm not familiar with |
| 05:30.37 | Thrae | Corrodias: Either way, go Feral with BC coming, since you'll be leveling again |
| 05:31.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | hrm i had a good build |
| 05:31.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=MZxGGsfroxuioVx0z |
| 05:31.12 | Corrodias | the 2.0.1 "swipes" starts with (83 * 1.2 savage fury), but the 2.0.4 "swipes" starts with ((60 + 84 from AP ) * 1.2 savage fury) |
| 05:31.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | but i can't remember where those other 4 points were intended |
| 05:31.34 | Corrodias | now i remember why i get sick of WoW. no matter what i do, i'm doing it wrong. |
| 05:31.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's at 1200 AP in bear |
| 05:31.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | i have |
| 05:32.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | 512 |
| 05:32.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | in bear |
| 05:32.07 | cladhaire | Shadowed: Ping |
| 05:32.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | at 1200 AP it may not be a change |
| 05:32.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | but at 512 it's pretty massive |
| 05:32.54 | Thrae | Corrodias: Do you do PvP? |
| 05:33.04 | Corrodias | a bit |
| 05:33.21 | Corrodias | that is, i have done it; i'm still on a vacation right now |
| 05:33.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=0zZxGGsfroxuioVxhz |
| 05:33.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | i dunno |
| 05:33.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | i can't find anywhere else to really put those 3 points for a decent effect |
| 05:33.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | er |
| 05:33.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | 4 |
| 05:34.08 | cladhaire | Mr_Rabies: Is that for 70? |
| 05:34.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah |
| 05:34.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm 0/41/10 for 60 |
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| 05:34.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | 61 is omen of clarity |
| 05:34.34 | Thrae | Mr_Rabies2: No Nature's Grasp? |
| 05:34.35 | cladhaire | i'm 1/40/9 |
| 05:34.37 | cladhaire | 62 for ooc |
| 05:34.43 | cladhaire | nature's grasp is a must |
| 05:34.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | thrae, i put 1 point into it |
| 05:34.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | i really don't use it much |
| 05:34.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | honestly |
| 05:35.03 | Thrae | If you put a point into it then you're not 0/41/10 :D |
| 05:35.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | well |
| 05:35.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | not at 60 |
| 05:35.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't use it much at all |
| 05:35.19 | cladhaire | its really good/needed for grinding |
| 05:35.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | really? why? |
| 05:35.24 | cladhaire | its a third stun |
| 05:35.28 | cladhaire | grasp, heal |
| 05:35.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | i never ever use it in pve |
| 05:35.32 | cladhaire | bash, heal |
| 05:35.41 | cladhaire | warstomp heal =) |
| 05:35.41 | sysrage | wtb somebody that knows fubar coding and can add the option to sRaidFrames so i can put the icon on the right hand side of the bar |
| 05:35.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | don't need to heal when you can drop things before stealth wears off cooldown :p |
| 05:35.49 | cladhaire | if youre alliance i't say its even more. |
| 05:35.53 | cladhaire | hehe |
| 05:36.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | hell at 60 i can drop things before tiger's fury drops |
| 05:36.10 | Shadowed | cladhaire: yeah? |
| 05:36.10 | Thrae | Corrodias: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/druid/talents.html?01000000000000000000050320213232212513120105400000000000000000 <-- use this until you get good enough gear to change to Balance, or you can keep Feral if you like it |
| 05:36.12 | Corrodias | i'm going to run out of places to put things on my ction bars. |
| 05:36.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | Corr |
| 05:36.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | Macro time :P |
| 05:36.22 | cladhaire | Shadowed: Have a moment for a dropdown question? |
| 05:36.26 | cladhaire | I'm lost on this one =) |
| 05:36.43 | Shadowed | You're probably better at them then I am :p |
| 05:36.48 | cladhaire | When I edit an existing entry here, its selected in the dropdown list, but it won't show up on the display line. |
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| 05:36.50 | cladhaire | *shake* |
| 05:37.07 | cladhaire | i'm good at dropdown menus.. just not what gets displayed in the default ones |
| 05:37.12 | cladhaire | and you knew ClearAll =) |
| 05:37.21 | Shadowed | I opened UIDropDown.lua, and looked! |
| 05:37.27 | cladhaire | lol |
| 05:37.31 | cladhaire | i was already looking there and didn't see it. |
| 05:37.40 | Shadowed | ohh lol |
| 05:37.51 | cladhaire | basically, I have three dropdowns |
| 05:37.57 | cladhaire | one has names/values like "TOP, "TOP" |
| 05:38.02 | Thrae | Corrodias: With Clique and macros, I get by using 14 + 5 mouse buttons. See my keybindings here: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=65016988&sid=1 |
| 05:38.05 | Matholum | dropdowns... that is what i am looking up now ^_^ |
| 05:38.09 | cladhaire | that one works when I UIDropDownMenu_SetSelectedValue("TOP") |
| 05:38.18 | Corrodias | omen of clarity, hmm... |
| 05:38.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | hrm |
| 05:38.39 | Thrae | Omen of Clarity is for post-60 |
| 05:38.41 | cladhaire | but, when I have one like "Name", "NAME".. it will be selected, but not be shown as the selected option, i.e. it has the check.. but isn't on that single line. |
| 05:38.51 | Thrae | Unless you're Balance/Resto or Feral/Resto |
| 05:38.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | /cast [button:2] is causing ace to get blocked |
| 05:38.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | O_o |
| 05:39.02 | Shadowed | I just set the text manually for the dropdown |
| 05:39.09 | cladhaire | if i can't figure this out.. I'll just have some toupper magic |
| 05:39.10 | Shadowed | http://pastey.net/5065 was how I did it |
| 05:39.11 | Corrodias | why? |
| 05:39.19 | Matholum | i am trying to find the best way to output an array into a dropdown.... still working on it ^_^ |
| 05:39.20 | Thrae | Corrodias: Extremely useful macros -- http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=54889606&sid=1 |
| 05:39.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | /cast [button:2] Regrowth is rather |
| 05:39.28 | Thrae | Corrodias: Why what? OoC? |
| 05:39.31 | cladhaire | Shadowed: Thanks.. that works out. |
| 05:39.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | ooc is godly |
| 05:39.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | i love it |
| 05:39.43 | Corrodias | why "<Thrae> Omen of Clarity is for post-60" ? |
| 05:39.44 | Shadowed | no problem |
| 05:39.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | free shred/mangle every 30 sec or so |
| 05:40.07 | Thrae | Corrodias: It doesn't proc enough for you to forgo a 41-point talent in Balance or Feral |
| 05:41.16 | Corrodias | i've never learned too much about feral. i've never used more than 20 points in feral. |
| 05:41.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | gasp |
| 05:41.40 | Shadowed | Warning, 4 prerequisites are missing...warning, 10 prerequisite are missing from one of the first prerequisites! |
| 05:41.41 | Thrae | Corrodias: Have you ever played a Warrior or Rogue? |
| 05:41.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah shadowed :x |
| 05:41.56 | Corrodias | about 12 levels of each |
| 05:42.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's part of why the concept behind ace annoys me |
| 05:42.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | libraries and incompatibility :/ |
| 05:42.29 | cladhaire | Shadowed: Thanks.. not sure why this is working =( |
| 05:42.39 | Shadowed | That didn't work? |
| 05:42.53 | Thrae | Mr_Rabies2: That's the fault of the addon author, using incompatible libraries |
| 05:42.58 | Corrodias | i've always wanted to heal with the druid. getting any feral was a concession to the fact that i'd have to fight things alone sometimes. |
| 05:43.12 | Thrae | All my Ace2 addons work beautifully. |
| 05:43.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | mine usually do |
| 05:43.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | but some author will get behind sometimes and i'll have one addon that breaks everything that uses that library until i disable it or they update it |
| 05:43.38 | Thrae | s/All my Ace2 addons/All the Ace2 addons I use/ |
| 05:44.00 | vith | well it'd be nice if one of the updaters would resolve dependencies automatically |
| 05:44.01 | Thrae | Mr_Rabies2: That's what www.wowace.com/files and Wowaceupdater is for. |
| 05:44.01 | vith | but that's not the library's fault |
| 05:44.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | i use that thrae |
| 05:44.19 | Thrae | vith: Wowaceupdater DOES automatically get the latest embedded library |
| 05:44.38 | Industrial | Need some help with my frames, im being blind again. I dont see why the frames are not showinf up on my scren. http://industrial.pastey.net/5064 |
| 05:44.44 | vith | i mean external addon dependencies |
| 05:44.47 | Industrial | This is one frame forced onto the screen: http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/8084/wowscrnshot011407073914tu6.jpg |
| 05:45.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | it will get externals iirc vith |
| 05:45.06 | vith | that reminds me of a question that i've been meaning to ask though |
| 05:45.10 | Thrae | Corrodias: I heal Raids fine with my healing gear |
| 05:45.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | <Corrodias> i've always wanted to heal with the druid. getting any feral was a concession to the fact that i'd have to fight things alone sometimes. |
| 05:45.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's kinda the opposite of me |
| 05:45.27 | Corrodias | so why do we even have a restoration tree? |
| 05:45.33 | Corrodias | i keep hearing that |
| 05:45.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've always wanted to be mostly feral with backing up and healing if necessary |
| 05:45.49 | Shadowed | Industrial: can you even have two functions of the same name like that? |
| 05:45.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | and healbotting drives me up the wall |
| 05:45.54 | Thrae | Corrodias: Playstyles differ. If you're healing more then anything else, you probably should put at least 31 in Resto. |
| 05:45.56 | Industrial | Shadowed: where? |
| 05:45.57 | vith | when multiple addons are using the same library, but as an embed, does it get loaded twice effectively and use twice the memory? |
| 05:46.04 | Shadowed | local function make(t) |
| 05:46.08 | Shadowed | line 43 and 45 |
| 05:46.09 | Josh_Borke | nn all |
| 05:46.12 | Industrial | yes, afaik |
| 05:46.51 | Thrae | Corrodias: I like healbotting, but I can't healbot ALL the time. Sometimes a group would like DPS / Off-Tank / Off-Healing more then another main healer. |
| 05:46.54 | Corrodias | i think that maybe WoW is just too complex for me to ever feel comfortable about understanding it |
| 05:47.02 | Corrodias | or even how to use one class |
| 05:47.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | is hshh, the CooldownCount author in here? :O |
| 05:47.21 | Industrial | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:47.22 | Industrial | :p |
| 05:47.22 | Josh_Borke | I just play a paladin and say screw you to anything but healing |
| 05:47.27 | Thrae | Corrodias: You have to remember, come BC they'll be much more 5-man and 10-mans, where Druids will need to be more versatile |
| 05:47.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | i need to tell him something in cooldowncount is breaking [button:2] style stuff |
| 05:47.46 | Industrial | I dont see how thats fun Josh_Borke |
| 05:47.47 | Thrae | Corrodias: If you don't want complexity, why did you pick Druid? I think most can agree, we are the most complex class! :D |
| 05:48.07 | Josh_Borke | Industrial: because i'm usually backup healer so all i do is twiddle my thumbs =D |
| 05:48.14 | Corrodias | i picked druid because i wasn't sure how i wanted to play and it sounded like druid gave several options |
| 05:48.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | playing a druid properly is playing 4 classes simulateously but only being able to use one at a time |
| 05:48.25 | Corrodias | but i'm finding out more these days that it doesn't give you options at all |
| 05:48.32 | Industrial | Josh_Borke: Ill repeat; How is that fun? |
| 05:48.49 | Corrodias | it forces you to play multiple ways at once, and i am having trouble with that. |
| 05:48.51 | Josh_Borke | Industrial: it's fun for me :) |
| 05:48.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | Corr, keep playing |
| 05:48.57 | Industrial | When I almost die in pvp, and win, its fun. |
| 05:49.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | everyone had trouble with it for a while |
| 05:49.08 | Josh_Borke | i hate pvp |
| 05:49.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | some people just gave up on it and just play a priest light |
| 05:49.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | or rogue light |
| 05:49.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | or warrior light, or mage light |
| 05:49.32 | Industrial | light? |
| 05:49.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | diet rogue |
| 05:49.48 | Industrial | I hate pve :P |
| 05:49.52 | Thrae | Corrodias: Not really...when I need to main heal, I just heal. When I need to DPS, I just DPS. When I need to tank, I just tank in Bear Form. There are lots of time I should just stay in one of my many roles and that's that. I try to fill more then one role at a time because ***I find it fun*** |
| 05:49.53 | Corrodias | i don't understand |
| 05:49.59 | Shadowed | hmm |
| 05:50.04 | Corrodias | not really, he says! i think i can give up at this point |
| 05:50.08 | Industrial | i made a level 10 paladin just to pvp duel ppl in goldshire until tbc |
| 05:50.27 | Shadowed | Need 1 library, that library needs 4 other libraries, each of those libaries need 3 other libraries, and the 3 other libraries each need another library |
| 05:50.27 | Shadowed | ... |
| 05:50.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | at the core, only play it if you enjoy it |
| 05:50.32 | Corrodias | "everything you thought you were learning from your experience? not really!" |
| 05:50.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | but learning how to play 4 classes at once is incredibly fun for me |
| 05:51.01 | *** part/#wowi-lounge JoshBork3 (n=Joshua@adsl-145-84-150.asm.bellsouth.net) |
| 05:51.04 | Industrial | it helps to have palyed every class for pvp |
| 05:51.10 | Thrae | Corrodias: If you like healing the most, and don't want to be bothered with needing to learn how to use the Druid's situational forms, I think a Priest would be more suited for you. |
| 05:51.34 | Industrial | like, knowing the charge range for warrior makes you able to kite warriors outside of that range with hunter |
| 05:51.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | nothing like starting cat, getting 5 combo points, throwing a rip out, then going bear, feral charging, mangling, mauling, bashing, switching out and healing myself, then moonfire spamming them for the last 5% of their hp |
| 05:51.39 | Industrial | given theres enough space |
| 05:51.46 | Corrodias | it's a bit late for that, isn't it. :P |
| 05:52.05 | Thrae | Nah, getting to level 60 as a Shadow Priest is CAKE |
| 05:52.17 | Corrodias | don't even start with me on that |
| 05:52.18 | Shadowed | yeah it is |
| 05:52.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'd say shadowpriests are the best soloers in the game |
| 05:52.23 | Thrae | You're essentially invincible and have the DPS of a Warlock |
| 05:52.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | almost everyone i know that bots on shadowpriests says it's the easiest thing ever |
| 05:52.42 | Industrial | hunters are :P |
| 05:52.49 | Shadowed | I can safely say you aren't invincible |
| 05:52.57 | Corrodias | being able to kill something faster than i could with my half-assed cat druid wouldn't reduce the number of mobs you'd still have to kill anyway |
| 05:52.59 | Shadowed | could only kill 2-3 people at once depending on class with rank 10/12 pvp gear |
| 05:53.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | hunters have to worry about running out of mana and having no damage left |
| 05:53.08 | Thrae | Shadowed: I said Essentially :D |
| 05:53.15 | Shadowed | 2 mages = i'm dead |
| 05:53.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | shadow priests can just sw:p, mind blast, mind flay until oblivion |
| 05:53.17 | Industrial | water |
| 05:53.21 | Shadowed | yay CS locking spells for 8 seconds |
| 05:53.27 | Shadowed | not against mages Mr_Rabies |
| 05:53.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | nonono |
| 05:53.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm saying for leveling |
| 05:53.36 | Thrae | Corrodias: As a Druid, you don't attack multiple enemies in Cat. That's what Bear form is for. |
| 05:53.41 | Industrial | you can 'juggle' pretty easily with your mana as hunter |
| 05:53.50 | Industrial | when leveling my mana never dropped below 80% as hunter |
| 05:53.57 | Corrodias | with only 20 in feral, my bear form attempts generally went something like "swipe swipe oops i'm dead" |
| 05:54.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah you can just let autoshot run, true |
| 05:54.03 | Industrial | just dont use spells for a while to bring it up |
| 05:54.07 | Industrial | then heal the pet |
| 05:54.22 | Thrae | Corrodias: Swipe is very situational |
| 05:54.23 | Industrial | with first aid |
| 05:54.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | but seriously, when i used to bot, both my shadow priest and hunter were just entertaining to watch |
| 05:54.28 | Industrial | cause you never get hit |
| 05:54.53 | Thrae | Corrodias: Anyway, Druid is mainly a Melee class (even a Balance druid), and you don't seem like you like melee |
| 05:54.59 | Shadowed | yes! |
| 05:55.10 | Shadowed | got a library to run without needing more dependencies |
| 05:55.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | ha |
| 05:55.24 | Corrodias | i don't like... druids, mostly |
| 05:55.30 | Shadowed | I could never get botting two classes down very well |
| 05:55.32 | Thrae | I know I get a little anxious in melee compared to range |
| 05:55.42 | Shadowed | Melee is alot harder since you have more stuff to worry about then range |
| 05:56.10 | Corrodias | i am amused by humans who try to bounce around me to confuse me. i'm never that confused. |
| 05:56.13 | Shadowed | It's not as much "Keep them in range" but "Keep them in range, is he going to snare me and blink, is he going to trap, ect, ect" which aren't as much of a worry at range |
| 05:56.36 | Thrae | Corrodias: Well reroll as an Undead Shadow Priest then! It'll be VERY fast if you already have a Level 40 Tauren Druid |
| 05:56.51 | Thrae | Undead Shadow Priest is the best type of Priests for solo'ing and PvP |
| 05:57.05 | Corrodias | why do you say "if" i have a mid-level druid? |
| 05:57.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | mine's human >:[ |
| 05:57.16 | Corrodias | let me rephrase |
| 05:57.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | feedback is AWESOME |
| 05:57.18 | Thrae | Devouring Plague + Fear immunity FTW |
| 05:57.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | /cry |
| 05:57.22 | Corrodias | why do you say "if i have a mid-level druid"? |
| 05:57.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | cause you know the horde areas |
| 05:57.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | i guess? :O |
| 05:57.57 | Thrae | Corrodias: Ah, I assumed since you said 20 in Feral, but I guess you could have a Level 60 Druid with the rest in Resto |
| 05:58.11 | Corrodias | yes, mine was 0/20/41 before 2.0 |
| 05:58.17 | Corrodias | haven't played since |
| 05:58.26 | Thrae | You mean 0/10/41 |
| 05:58.37 | Thrae | or /020/31 |
| 05:58.56 | Thrae | Anyway, leveling up again is not that big a deal |
| 05:58.59 | Corrodias | must have been 31 in restoration. i guess i've spent too much time looking at level 70 specs |
| 05:59.13 | Thrae | I have three Druids -- Level 49, Level 35, and Level 56 |
| 05:59.31 | Corrodias | if i start to think of levelling up not being a big deal, the whole WoW experience falls apart for me. there's no point, otherwise, except a raid every once in a while. |
| 05:59.38 | Thrae | All on different servers (friends won and lost, kept moving servers until I settled) |
| 06:00.08 | Corrodias | i can tell i'm whining, and i don't think i should be. |
| 06:00.29 | Thrae | Priest plays a lot differently then a Druid. Priests have a lot of "Oh Shit!" buttons. I think you need a change of scenery! |
| 06:01.05 | Corrodias | but i have to face up to the fact that, despite a few compliments on my healing, i've been playing this druid "wrong". i've known it, but i have a good grasp of denial. |
| 06:01.34 | Thrae | Your playstyle is never wrong unless you don't have fun. |
| 06:01.56 | Corrodias | i've been in denial because he was my highest level character and i don't think i'd enjoy the correct (that is, the effective) way of playing a druid |
| 06:03.04 | Thrae | I was playing a Feral/Resto Druid while everyone else was playing full Resto Druids, long ago, when none of the massive talents changes were in effect. I had the lowest DPS of any class, and I still had fun! |
| 06:03.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | corr |
| 06:03.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | at the heart |
| 06:03.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | you don't have to play a druid "correctly" to enjoy them |
| 06:03.48 | Corrodias | mediocrity doesn't entertain |
| 06:03.50 | Corrodias | *me |
| 06:03.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | since there is no real "correct" way to play one |
| 06:04.00 | Thrae | No matter what I did, my DPS still sucked, but I had fun |
| 06:04.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | but i meant playing at 100% |
| 06:04.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's the strength of a druid |
| 06:04.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | having no strengths individually but combined add up to a full class |
| 06:04.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | or more than a full class, honestly |
| 06:04.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | i love the option of being able to reroll by respecing |
| 06:05.10 | Corrodias | it just comes down to the fact that i was mistaken about what a druid is capable of when i chose it, and i've put so much time into it that it's painful to admit that |
| 06:05.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | what were you thinking druids were capable of? |
| 06:06.54 | Corrodias | from the perspective of someone who had never played or even seen WoW before, i expected it to be able to choose to play one of three styles with nifty shapeshifting abilities thrown in. |
| 06:07.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | well you can |
| 06:07.30 | Corrodias | the shifting isn't nearly as amusing as i had hoped at the time, and choosing only one style seems to hamper your efforts to be useful |
| 06:07.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | you can focus more on melee dps, tanking, nuking, or healing |
| 06:08.30 | Thrae | Corrodias: Most Druids focus on one style, actually. Either Melee DPS, Melee DPS + Tanking, Spell DPS, Healing, or Hybrid. |
| 06:08.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | personally i focus mostly on melee dps with some tanking and a bit of healing in, melee dps mostly replaces nuking for me, mostly |
| 06:08.34 | Corrodias | the "good" druids combine multiple forms to produce a spontaneous, flexible character. |
| 06:08.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | well that comes with time |
| 06:08.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | most everyone focuses on one |
| 06:08.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | after a while you start seeing the synergy |
| 06:09.04 | Thrae | Corrodias: I know a lot of high-ranking PvP and well-respected Raid Druids which are Healbots or Feral Druids that almost never heal |
| 06:09.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | and it clicks, and you can focus on one and using the other abilities to boost that one even more |
| 06:09.20 | Thrae | Me and Mr_Rabies2 like to be spontaneous because we think it's fun |
| 06:09.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | i focus on melee dps, but i'll do a bit of everything as long as i'm not STUCK healbotting for an entire instance |
| 06:10.05 | Corrodias | i should have chosen priest. |
| 06:10.14 | Corrodias | that much i know, especially as a first character. |
| 06:10.35 | Thrae | Look at it this way -- a Shadow Priest can effectively deal both good DPS and main heal effectively, but you need to be good at and like that style of play. Holy/Disc Priests can deal decent DPS and heal amazingly. |
| 06:11.43 | Thrae | Playstyle isn't just about what you find fun, but what you are best at. And that changes person to person. |
| 06:12.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | i think druids still need some work here and there |
| 06:12.15 | Thrae | For instance, I'm not an excellent healbot compared to the hardcore Resto Druids. Even if I put all my points into Resto, I wouldn't know what to do. Same with Balance. |
| 06:12.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | but we're better off than we were by far |
| 06:12.37 | Thrae | s/wouldn't know what to do/wouldn't know how to be truly effective/ |
| 06:12.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | hell i healbotted a full ZG run the other day for fun and was like 10% above all the other healers in the raid |
| 06:13.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | and with almost 10,000 mana i never ran out |
| 06:13.14 | Thrae | Mr_Rabies2: I usually top too, but that's not the point |
| 06:13.18 | Corrodias | well, fuck it. my druid was made for healing and i really don't feel like doing anything else with it. the next pforlem comes from how i obviously don't know as much as i should even about that one function as i'd like. |
| 06:13.37 | Corrodias | i have no idea how you accomplish that |
| 06:13.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | if you're not having fun with it, don't do it :P |
| 06:13.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's a game, not a job :p |
| 06:13.56 | Thrae | Corrodias: Restoration Druids are still very much needed in Raids (most Raids like 'em more then the others), so why not stick with that? |
| 06:13.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | roll some alts, see what you enjoy |
| 06:14.11 | Corrodias | at best, i was running at about 80% of the healing output of the priests, even though my overheal was only 11% compared to their occasional 30%. |
| 06:14.18 | Thrae | A Restoration Druid in a raid probably won't be going into any form other then Tree of Life |
| 06:14.18 | Corrodias | and i still had trouble keeping mana |
| 06:14.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | corr, it's all about getting the experience in |
| 06:14.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | after a while you just know what to do |
| 06:14.58 | Corrodias | tree of life. i don't want to give up my most common healing spell. >:/ |
| 06:15.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | Regrowth is more efficient than HT if you're ToL spec |
| 06:15.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | even if you're not in ToL at the time |
| 06:15.34 | Thrae | Especially with the Regrowth crits |
| 06:15.35 | Corrodias | ...once every 12 seconds |
| 06:15.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | but especially in ToL |
| 06:15.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | 12 seconds? |
| 06:16.06 | Corrodias | you can't stack multiple casts by the same druid, can you? |
| 06:16.09 | Thrae | Regrowth takes less time to cast, has a +50% chance to crit, and refreshes the HoT |
| 06:16.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | Regrowth is a 21 sec HoT |
| 06:16.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | no you can't stack them |
| 06:16.21 | Corrodias | oh, sorry, i must have been thinking of Rejuv |
| 06:16.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | but the initial hit still hits |
| 06:16.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | and the timer restarts itself |
| 06:16.39 | Thrae | With -20% mana cost, along with the recent -18% mana cost, it's more efficient in Tree of Life form now then Healing Touch |
| 06:16.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | really with rejuv and regrowth up you don't need much else |
| 06:16.55 | Corrodias | my impression from Regrowth, before 2.0, was that it was rather inefficient if you didn't let the HoT run its course |
| 06:16.56 | Thrae | Leave the big heals to the Priests |
| 06:17.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | it is sorta unefficient |
| 06:17.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | unless you let it run its course |
| 06:17.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | but most times you don't need to recast it |
| 06:17.45 | Thrae | Well in a 40-man Raid, a Druid technically shouldn't be needing to throw out many Healing Touches, unless there's a shortage of Priests |
| 06:17.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | cause multiple druids' hots + priest/paladin heals |
| 06:17.57 | Corrodias | i've not been in a 40 |
| 06:17.59 | Thrae | Even in a 5-man group, I mainly use HoTs |
| 06:18.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's pretty much all i use in 5mans |
| 06:18.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | rejuv |
| 06:18.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't need much else |
| 06:18.17 | Corrodias | i tried to stick to HT if i could because of mana |
| 06:18.18 | Thrae | A HoT tic comes a lot faster then any spell you can cast |
| 06:18.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | HT here and there if we're on like rattlegore |
| 06:18.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | well |
| 06:18.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | Ho |
| 06:18.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | Ts are minimum of 3 sec for a tick |
| 06:19.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | ht is 3 sec unless you have the ...zg? set bonus |
| 06:19.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | if you're resto that is |
| 06:19.25 | sysrage | can i ditch the focus frame in x-perl and just have my focus target highlighted like in the default UI? |
| 06:19.36 | Industrial | Mr_Rabies2: ping :P |
| 06:19.48 | Thrae | Corrodias: With the new changes, keeping Rejuv + Regrowth HoT buffs on your main tank is more mana efficient then always using Healing Touch because of the 5-second rule |
| 06:20.20 | Thrae | Mr_Rabies2: You're forgetting the Tier 2 talent, reduces Healing Touch casting time by 0.5 |
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| 06:20.43 | Thrae | It's a Feral must, Restos should probably get it too |
| 06:20.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | no i'm not, Thrae :O |
| 06:20.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's why i said 3 sec |
| 06:20.54 | Corrodias | dramatic sigh, i have much to learn about the 2.0 changes |
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| 06:20.59 | Thrae | Oh wait, you're right |
| 06:21.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's 3.5 otherwise |
| 06:21.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | which suuuuuucks |
| 06:21.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm so glad they merged NW and imp HT or whatever |
| 06:21.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | 3.0 cast is godly |
| 06:21.28 | Thrae | Corrodias: HoTs were our staple even bemore 2.0. Hence why Tree of Life is based around them. |
| 06:21.38 | Thrae | Mr_Rabies2: For a Feral! |
| 06:21.51 | Corrodias | see, i didn't even know how to heal then. >_> |
| 06:22.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | you seem like you're smart enough to learn after a while :P |
| 06:22.54 | Corrodias | nah, i used rejuv and regrowth plenty |
| 06:23.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | there's some people that will never learn, yet they get tier 3 |
| 06:23.19 | Thrae | Corrodias: Well I'm just saying, HoTs are what set us apart from Priest, Paladin, and Shaman healing. You can use Healing Touch if it's efficient for you. |
| 06:23.19 | Corrodias | they just weren't my first choice because of mana |
| 06:23.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | i never really used regrowth pre 2.0 |
| 06:23.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | cause 880 mana for a 2000 heal is meh |
| 06:23.34 | Thrae | 2.0 killed my HT mana conservation addons. Before 2.0 I didn't really use Regrowth much |
| 06:23.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | but 720 mana |
| 06:23.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | giggity giggity giggity |
| 06:23.54 | Corrodias | with the +50% crit rate, i liked regrowth even though other people downplayed it :( |
| 06:23.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah i used groupbutton's autoranking for HT |
| 06:24.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah i love that talent |
| 06:24.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | i loved it when i was feral |
| 06:24.10 | Thrae | Mr_Rabies2: Clique + healselect here |
| 06:24.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | i want freaking discord guy to come out with groupbuttons 2.0 |
| 06:24.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | >:| |
| 06:24.34 | Thrae | And I even worked on CastParty, back in the day...I think 1.8 |
| 06:24.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | it makes healing so awesome |
| 06:24.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's like a mini action bar for everyone in your x |
| 06:25.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | depending on how you set it up, raid, party, just you |
| 06:25.09 | Thrae | Mr_Rabies2: Clique + SmartBuff + SmartDebuff + Grid is enough for me |
| 06:25.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | it has click casting but i didn't really use it except for raiding sometimes |
| 06:25.41 | cladhaire | Mr_Rabies: Can't groupheal do that for you with some things? |
| 06:25.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | kinda |
| 06:25.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | i used groupheal for a while |
| 06:26.00 | Thrae | Tranquility is now an effective group heal too |
| 06:26.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | but i found groupbuttons and fell in love |
| 06:26.03 | cladhaire | whats it missing (i honestly don't know) |
| 06:26.07 | cladhaire | Thrae: Its a sick group heal :P |
| 06:26.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | 1097 every 2 SECONDS |
| 06:26.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | imagine the healbot druids in arena |
| 06:26.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | "stay close and there's no way you can die during this 8 seconds" |
| 06:26.38 | Cide | standing still, channeling |
| 06:26.45 | Cide | you'd get interrupted in <2 |
| 06:26.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | counterspelled maybe |
| 06:26.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | but barkskin |
| 06:26.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | bam |
| 06:26.56 | Corrodias | that's why we hit Barkskin first |
| 06:26.59 | Thrae | Cide: Barkskin and Improved Tranquility fix that, except for Rogues and Counterspells |
| 06:27.06 | Corrodias | Tranquility is a fine thing... once every 10 minutes :P |
| 06:27.15 | Cide | Thrae: which are the things that matter |
| 06:27.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | i love when someone counterspells me |
| 06:27.38 | Corrodias | tranquility is no more susceptible to being stopped than any other healing method |
| 06:27.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | it gives me like crazy druid blood rage of death |
| 06:27.54 | Cide | and all healing methods are susceptible to interrupts |
| 06:27.55 | Corrodias | if a rogue stuns you, you're not casting rejuv either. same for counterspell. |
| 06:27.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | if someone counterspells me i go cat and just rip them to bits :p |
| 06:28.02 | Thrae | It's good against at least 50% of players, as they are stupid |
| 06:28.08 | Cide | but if you're casting rejuvenation |
| 06:28.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | well the thing about channeling is |
| 06:28.13 | Thrae | If you're very good, then it's good against 80% |
| 06:28.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | you have an 8 entire seconds to make that spell efficient |
| 06:28.22 | Cide | you have a 50 yard cloud graphic saying "INTERRUPT ME" |
| 06:28.39 | Corrodias | it's better for PvE, maybe |
| 06:28.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | and an 8 second cast is a huge window for coutnerspells |
| 06:28.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's good in pvp because so many players are terrible |
| 06:28.57 | Cide | I have flash spells counterspelled all the time |
| 06:29.05 | Corrodias | hey, i'm terrible :( |
| 06:29.11 | Cide | but in pvp where players are terrible they're screwed anyway :) |
| 06:29.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't even bother with HT in pvp |
| 06:29.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | GREEN HANDS FOR 3 SECONNNNNDs |
| 06:30.00 | Corrodias | like regrowth? |
| 06:30.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | mainly because i know what it's like to be the asshole player |
| 06:30.10 | Industrial | well im off to bed nn pplz |
| 06:30.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | running around dispelling and counterspelling everything in the area |
| 06:30.15 | Cairenn | night Industrial |
| 06:30.18 | Cide | there's a reason you prepare for the worst, not the best scenario |
| 06:30.55 | Thrae | You must remember, if someone's running around dispelling and counterspelling, then they're running around dispelling and counterspelling. You can use that to your advantage. |
| 06:31.12 | Corrodias | what, chasing after them, trying to catch up with your little kitty claws? |
| 06:31.32 | Thrae | PvP is 70% Strategy, 30% Min/Max |
| 06:32.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | bear may look like it rocks in pvp |
| 06:32.02 | Thrae | No, you can fake 'em out. You can start healing even when no one needs healing. They don't have time to check stuff like that. |
| 06:32.12 | Cide | Thrae: wasting 1650 mana is not a great way of doing it |
| 06:32.24 | Corrodias | you can cancel spell casting, you know |
| 06:32.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | but after a while you realize people like to attack the big fat bear's ass but they'll ignore the sneaky little blue cat that's tearing them a new one |
| 06:32.39 | Cide | Corrodias: but not channeled spells, you know |
| 06:32.50 | Thrae | Cide: Who says you need to cast the highest rank? |
| 06:32.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | you can cancel them, but it's a huge waste of talent points :X |
| 06:32.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | er |
| 06:32.57 | Corrodias | cast Healing Touches, low ranks |
| 06:33.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | you can cancel them, but it's a huge waste of efficiency |
| 06:33.16 | Thrae | If you're faking, then you never intended to heal anyway |
| 06:33.27 | Cide | faking with a 10 minute cooldown doesn't sound very wise |
| 06:33.28 | Corrodias | you don't use mana if the spell doesn't go off |
| 06:33.52 | Thrae | Wait, I'm talking about Healing Touch...what are you talking about? |
| 06:34.00 | Corrodias | sounds like Tranquility |
| 06:34.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | on that note i've been sitting here in ironforge for an hour |
| 06:34.09 | Cide | I was arguing about tranquility |
| 06:34.19 | Thrae | Oh, yeah, Tranquility is different |
| 06:34.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | tranquility is incredibly situational |
| 06:34.22 | Corrodias | i don't think any of us would suggest trying to fake someone out with Tranquility |
| 06:34.32 | Cide | good :) |
| 06:34.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | but in the proper situation it's godly |
| 06:34.34 | Thrae | As Mr_Rabies2 asid |
| 06:34.47 | Corrodias | what sort of situations are we talking about, here? |
| 06:34.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | did they make the cloud work for all 8 secs yet? |
| 06:35.01 | Thrae | I'm talking about faking out Counterspellers / etc. with low-rank Healing Touches |
| 06:35.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh snap |
| 06:35.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | they did |
| 06:35.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | the spell effect lasts all 8 sec now |
| 06:35.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | hell yeah |
| 06:35.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | that was annoying |
| 06:35.19 | Corrodias | the cloud is usually permanent for me |
| 06:35.22 | Cide | a question.. why would you fake with low-ranks? |
| 06:35.29 | Cide | the whole tree still gets locked down |
| 06:35.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | faking isn't too effective now anyway |
| 06:35.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | since there's a castbar |
| 06:35.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | for everyone |
| 06:35.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | i just watch people |
| 06:35.59 | Thrae | Cide: Because if they are Counterspelling, then they're not doing something else. Again, it's situational. |
| 06:36.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | if i know they're CS/dispel happy i won't bother with healing |
| 06:36.11 | Cide | Thrae: but if you're faking with low-ranks, you're not healing |
| 06:36.14 | Cide | works both ways |
| 06:36.28 | Thrae | But if you wouldn't heal anyway, they're wasting their cooldowns on you |
| 06:36.33 | Cide | you're not doing anything, in fact |
| 06:36.42 | Shadowed | Faking in general is overrated |
| 06:36.47 | Thrae | I think Counterspell is every 1 minute? |
| 06:36.57 | Thrae | Shadowed: Tell that to your wife! |
| 06:37.04 | Cide | 30 sec |
| 06:37.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | depends on what variety of counterspell |
| 06:37.19 | Cide | base cooldown, no idea if it can be lowered |
| 06:37.26 | Shadowed | pretty sure it can't be |
| 06:37.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | i was talking more about the effect than the spell really |
| 06:37.29 | cladhaire | night all |
| 06:37.34 | Shadowed | the talent only makes it lock down every tree for like 4 seconds |
| 06:37.36 | Cide | night cladhaire |
| 06:37.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | night clad |
| 06:37.48 | Cide | 4s silence, yes |
| 06:38.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | if i get silenced that's more kitty rage at your face |
| 06:38.18 | Thrae | Cide: As a Feral, if you let them counterspell at the beginning of the fight, then you have 26 seconds to quickly heal yourself when you know you won't be interrupted |
| 06:38.19 | Shadowed | cats use energy not rage :p |
| 06:38.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't stand there all hurf durf i can't do anything, i get angry :P |
| 06:38.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | i mean rage rage |
| 06:38.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | not rage bar |
| 06:38.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | i get pissed when i get interrupted in anyone |
| 06:38.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | you do not mess with a black man's radio |
| 06:38.54 | Corrodias | usually, i just get killed |
| 06:38.54 | Shadowed | Thrae: No mage is going to sit there and let you get a heal off, they can easly polymorph you to interrupt it |
| 06:39.02 | Cide | Thrae: why would you get counterspelled in the beginning of a fight? unless you're close to death of course, in which case you need to heal anyway |
| 06:39.06 | Corrodias | isn't poly a 2 second cast? |
| 06:39.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't honestly know how that fits in but it popped in my mind |
| 06:39.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | so i decided to share it |
| 06:39.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | poly is 1.5 |
| 06:39.21 | kahdgarxi | poly is a 1.5 second |
| 06:39.24 | Thrae | Shadowed: Regrowth + Rejuv |
| 06:39.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | i usually let the polymorph heal me a little bit |
| 06:39.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | then break it |
| 06:40.02 | Thrae | Yeah, Mr_Rabies2 has a point too |
| 06:40.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | watching mages poly me before pyroblasting makes me laugh so much on their corpse |
| 06:40.19 | Shadowed | Polymorph -> Nova as soon as it lands |
| 06:40.34 | Corrodias | why poly in the first place? |
| 06:40.34 | Shadowed | or fire blast, ect, something to break it quickly |
| 06:40.36 | Thrae | When's the first Poly heal tic? |
| 06:40.37 | Shadowed | interrupt |
| 06:40.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | opening with a poly is the dumbest thing you can do versus a druid |
| 06:40.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | using it as an interrupt is useful |
| 06:41.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | but opening with one :P |
| 06:41.07 | Thrae | Is it immediate, or after the normal 3 seconds? |
| 06:41.08 | Shadowed | it was directed at Thrae's comment that faking a mage into using CS means you can get an easy heal off |
| 06:41.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | i just laugh as i dance on the mage's corpse afterwards |
| 06:41.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | every now and then i'll be running around AB in cat form and see IMMUNE on sct |
| 06:41.39 | Shadowed | well thottbot doesn't know |
| 06:41.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | i check my combat log and laugh |
| 06:42.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | poly heal is usually about .5 sec after it hits |
| 06:42.02 | Thrae | Shadowed: No, I'm saying it lets you get a Regrowth or Rejuv off before the Poly. Otherwise the Regrowth could be CS'd |
| 06:42.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | probably due to lag |
| 06:42.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's not quite instant but it's fast |
| 06:42.22 | Shadowed | Ehhh? |
| 06:42.24 | Thrae | CS is a much worse interrupt then Poly for Druids |
| 06:42.31 | Shadowed | of course it is |
| 06:42.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | but it's also not on a cooldown |
| 06:42.48 | Shadowed | Unless you plan on using Wrath to make a mage use CS, you'll be screwed for 8 seconds trying to trick them into CSing you |
| 06:43.00 | Shadowed | err not wrath |
| 06:43.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | i tend to make them thing i'm gonna nuke them to death and start a starfire |
| 06:43.06 | Shadowed | starfire is the arcane cast right? |
| 06:43.10 | Thrae | Right |
| 06:43.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah |
| 06:43.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | MOST players don't bother learning how situational abilities are useful :P |
| 06:43.51 | Shadowed | if the mage is stupid enough to CS a starfire, they probably are stupid already, or confident enough that they can DPS you down before you can get a heal off |
| 06:43.57 | Thrae | Shadowed: A Druid --shouldn't-- need healing in the first 10 seconds of the fight, even against a Mage |
| 06:43.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | man |
| 06:44.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've had mages spam casting poly on me |
| 06:44.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | i just sit there in cat form laughing at every IMMUNE |
| 06:44.20 | Shadowed | and a mage --shouldn't-- need to CS a Druid in the first 10 seconds of the fight |
| 06:44.34 | Shadowed | since CSing a heal when they need to heal is > CSing right into the fight |
| 06:44.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | generally i drop the mages before they even realize they've got a bogey :p |
| 06:45.02 | Thrae | Shadowed: Yeah, but in the heat of battle, procedures sometimes get forgotten...it's another way to make a Mage make a mistake |
| 06:45.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | i still am trying to figure out how i got a 2200 ravage on a warrior |
| 06:45.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | i have no damn clue how that happened |
| 06:45.16 | Shadowed | Easy |
| 06:45.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | berserker stance + berserking + him wearing cloth maybe? |
| 06:45.24 | Shadowed | Warrior in berserker stance, DW and/or reck |
| 06:45.34 | Thrae | Shadowed: I'm definately not saying it'll work near 100% of the time |
| 06:45.36 | Corrodias | i'm just concerned... i don't think i'm a very good player and i don't like being the stupid guy who everbody feeds on >:P |
| 06:45.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't even get 2200 on mages unless they're in blues |
| 06:45.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | corr, the thing is, most other players are in the same boat for a while |
| 06:45.55 | Shadowed | You forget 5% increased damage with DW up, 10% increased damage in berserker, 20% increased damage with reck up |
| 06:46.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | after you get more experience |
| 06:46.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | the good ones learn |
| 06:46.20 | Thrae | Corrodias: A healer in PvP will die a lot, especially early on when they're learning, and especially in PuGs, and especially with PuGs in AV where no one tanks the NPCs |
| 06:46.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | the bad ones are the hunters that haven't used their bow in 59 levels because they didn't know they could buy arrows |
| 06:46.40 | Corrodias | i've noticed a pattern in my life -- i don't get good at things. i pick up the basics quickly but fall behind after a little while. :( |
| 06:46.41 | Thrae | In fact, I wouldn't bother healing in AV with PuGs unless someone's tanking |
| 06:47.01 | Thrae | I get into too many PuGs and no one tanks dammit =/ |
| 06:47.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | corr: if you think they'll help |
| 06:47.15 | Shadowed | The trick is to be a shadow priest |
| 06:47.16 | Thrae | Warriors: "Heal me dammit!" Me: "Tank dammit!" |
| 06:47.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | watch some druid pvp videos :D |
| 06:47.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | they're always fun |
| 06:47.20 | Corrodias | my only way of combating this is to try to glean information from you guys |
| 06:47.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh man |
| 06:47.22 | Shadowed | I'd kite WM's around the bridge in frostwolf keep |
| 06:47.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | i love the guys that bitch about heals |
| 06:47.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | i piss them off so bad |
| 06:47.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | "SINISTER STRIKE" |
| 06:47.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | "EVISCERATE COME ON" |
| 06:47.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | "HEY STEALTH HERE OKAY" |
| 06:47.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm a bastard :P |
| 06:48.10 | Thrae | Shadowed: Feral Druids don't need to run, we just can't heal as effectively if someone doesn't tank...same for a Shadow Priest |
| 06:48.43 | Shadowed | I didn't have much issue healing in AV actually, I just was smart about healing |
| 06:48.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | i had some warrior in AV whining about not getting heals tanking with dual wield |
| 06:48.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | drek was running all over the place |
| 06:49.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | i let the warrior die, taunted, maul spammed us to victory |
| 06:49.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | got heals, drek stayed on me |
| 06:49.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | and i stuck at 100 rage nonstop |
| 06:49.11 | Thrae | Shadowed: Well it depends on your perspective |
| 06:49.23 | Shadowed | If you're trying to solo heal a Warrior, then no you're screwed |
| 06:49.29 | Thrae | I think I do as much healing as I can in AV dependant on the amount of tanking vs aggro gained |
| 06:49.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | i mostly top people off in pugs |
| 06:49.46 | Shadowed | half of it depends on the Warriors gear, most of the time you're talking newly leveled 60s who have 4k HP buffed |
| 06:49.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | unless someone's carrying the flag other than me and know what they're doing |
| 06:49.54 | Thrae | Right |
| 06:49.59 | Thrae | Throw a few Rejuv's around |
| 06:50.02 | Shadowed | in which case, even being heal specced wont help |
| 06:50.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | otherwise i just sit on their ass, let them die, and then take off as a rocket kitty |
| 06:50.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | with the flag |
| 06:50.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | :p |
| 06:50.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | btw you can pick up the flag in feral forms now thrae |
| 06:50.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | !!! |
| 06:50.35 | Thrae | Druids are better at quick healing without aggro gain then Priests are because of Rejuv |
| 06:50.56 | Thrae | Mr_Rabies2: Yeah I was wondering about that with 2.0.3, so seriously? Does that work for all items now? |
| 06:51.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | not chests |
| 06:51.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | or any containers |
| 06:51.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | but otherwise, yeah i think so |
| 06:51.10 | Thrae | Well gear icons |
| 06:51.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | chests have gear icons |
| 06:51.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | so do flags |
| 06:51.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | but flags work |
| 06:51.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | chests don't |
| 06:51.24 | Thrae | I thought they had loot icons |
| 06:51.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | nope |
| 06:51.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | we used to |
| 06:51.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | at release |
| 06:51.37 | Corrodias | i only have 5k mana in my healing gear... |
| 06:51.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | we could loot chests, everything but talk to npc's and use items in forms |
| 06:51.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's fine for now corr |
| 06:52.13 | Thrae | Being able to interact with flags in forms almost makes up for Judgment of Justice addition ;) |
| 06:52.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | it should shoot up in bc if you decide to stick with your druid |
| 06:52.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | well i don't run into paladins |
| 06:52.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | and judgements are dispellable by priests |
| 06:52.33 | Thrae | In fact, it more then makes up for it for me, since I don't encounter many Paladins as I am Alliance :D |
| 06:52.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh one thing IS bugged though |
| 06:52.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | the captain america shield |
| 06:52.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | is a snare |
| 06:52.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | that we can't break |
| 06:52.47 | Corrodias | my avbars or bgbars (whatever its name is now) addon seems to have a problem with 2.0.4 |
| 06:52.51 | Thrae | "Captain America Shield"? |
| 06:52.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | in prot |
| 06:52.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | uh |
| 06:53.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | avenger's shield |
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| 06:53.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | chuck it and it bounces between targets |
| 06:53.15 | Thrae | Ah |
| 06:53.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | captain america shield |
| 06:53.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | :p |
| 06:53.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | it has a snare on it |
| 06:53.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | that we can't break |
| 06:53.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's bugged i'm sure |
| 06:53.36 | Thrae | Well that sucks |
| 06:53.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | only snares we cant break that are true snares are mob daze |
| 06:53.56 | Shadowed | daze isn't a "true snare" last i checked |
| 06:54.01 | kahdgarxi | dazed can diaf |
| 06:54.13 | Thrae | Mr_Rabies2: All dazes, like Aspect Cheetah debuff |
| 06:54.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | well |
| 06:54.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | we can break uh |
| 06:54.29 | Shadowed | Aspect of the Cheetah daze is the same as NPC daze I believe :p |
| 06:54.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | piercing howl |
| 06:54.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | and uh |
| 06:54.42 | Thrae | Dazes make you walk, it's not really a snare which decreases run speed |
| 06:54.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | flame whatever nukey slowey thing |
| 06:54.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | both of those say "dazed" |
| 06:55.11 | Shadowed | Just because they say Dazed doesn't make them classified as mob daze |
| 06:55.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | they're all Apply Aura: Mod Speed Slow |
| 06:55.31 | Thrae | Shadowed: Well I think he has a point -- they should clarify the tooltips better |
| 06:55.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | but for some reason pally shield daze is the only player daze we can't break |
| 06:55.46 | Corrodias | because blizzard loves paladins |
| 06:55.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | Blast wave is the one i was thinking of |
| 06:56.09 | Thrae | Paladins are the Druid brother -- they used to suck worse then we did, in my opinion |
| 06:56.23 | Thrae | And now I think we're a little ahead in features |
| 06:56.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | well at launch |
| 06:56.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | paladins were GODLY |
| 06:56.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | no one could kill one |
| 06:56.35 | Thrae | Yeah |
| 06:56.37 | Shadowed | Paladins were a good class before TBC people just didn't play to there strengths |
| 06:56.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | then they got their SotC fixed |
| 06:56.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | they were still good |
| 06:56.54 | Corrodias | they were part of why we don't like AV |
| 06:57.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | this was long before AV |
| 06:57.09 | Thrae | Shadowed: Not before the bug fixes, Hammer of Wrath, and Righteous Fury |
| 06:57.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | AV didn't come out until paladins were pretty heavily nerfed |
| 06:57.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | i think paladins came out pretty damn well |
| 06:57.34 | Shadowed | http://thottbot.com/?sp=35955 I'm pretty sure thats the unremovable daze |
| 06:57.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's mob daze |
| 06:58.07 | Thrae | I remember the patch which allowed Druids to remove mob daze |
| 06:58.16 | Shadowed | can you have aspect of the cheetah on while mounted? |
| 06:58.18 | Thrae | Now THAT was fun...for a little while it lasted :D |
| 06:58.34 | Thrae | Shadowed: Yes, but it doesn't increase your mount speed |
| 06:58.43 | Shadowed | Does it unmount you if you're hit with it up? |
| 06:58.47 | Thrae | Yes |
| 06:58.56 | Shadowed | in PVP? |
| 06:58.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh i should try that |
| 06:59.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | the paladin daze |
| 06:59.02 | Thrae | I think so |
| 06:59.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | no you can't anymore thrae |
| 06:59.12 | Shadowed | then that *should* be the same daze that aspect of the cheetah uses too |
| 06:59.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | aotc cancels |
| 06:59.18 | Thrae | With the new macro system it's easy to get rid of before mounting, though |
| 06:59.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | on mounting |
| 06:59.23 | Thrae | Mr_Rabies2: Ah good stuff |
| 06:59.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | cause it was giving a mount speed buff |
| 06:59.40 | Thrae | Really? I heard it didn't, even before 2.0 |
| 06:59.44 | Shadowed | Also piercing howl isn't considered a Daze at all, the tooltip just has poor wording |
| 06:59.48 | Shadowed | http://thottbot.com/?sp=12323 |
| 06:59.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah |
| 06:59.59 | Thrae | tooltips suck |
| 06:59.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | paladin shield is the only player DAZE |
| 07:00.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | right now |
| 07:00.05 | Thrae | Anyone who makes a tooltip mod is an idiot! |
| 07:00.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | i think it's bugged |
| 07:00.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | gonna get one to hit me while mounted |
| 07:00.35 | Shadowed | Weird, I wonder why Druids can't remove it |
| 07:00.42 | Thrae | Mr_Rabies2: But Druids who QQ about it are going to be told they're really QQ'ing about JoJ ;) |
| 07:01.24 | Thrae | Like I said that Paladins should have a way to make Tree of Life go at 100% run speed, such as Blessing of Freedom giving that ability, but I was told I was QQ'ing about JoJ |
| 07:01.34 | Shadowed | hmm |
| 07:01.44 | Shadowed | that is odd, I wonder how Druid mechanics work for removing snares on shift |
| 07:02.29 | Thrae | Shadowed: Just like a "Remove Curse" I bet. Lots of spells have catagories we can't see. |
| 07:03.20 | Thrae | Just because a spell is called "Curse of Cursiness" and says "Curse" in its type, doesn't mean it was correctly put in the "Curse" catagory :D |
| 07:03.35 | Shadowed | I guess they have to flag every new snare as curable then? |
| 07:03.41 | Thrae | Well, maybe that's a little different |
| 07:03.59 | Thrae | Probably spells flagged as "Curse" type show up as "Curse" type in the tooltip automatically |
| 07:04.10 | Thrae | But there is no "Snare" type for tooltip information |
| 07:04.19 | Shadowed | From the sounds of it, it first started out as shifting made you immune to all snares (this was when you could shift out of mob daze too?) |
| 07:04.43 | Thrae | Shadowed: Shifting out of mob daze was a bug in a patch inbetween 1.8 and 1.9 I think |
| 07:04.44 | Shadowed | ...then they switched it to remove snares but not make you immune for like 0.5 seconds, and a couple of snares were broken and wouldn't be removed, then they fixed that? |
| 07:05.07 | Thrae | Shadowed: They were trying to fix us not being able to shift out of a version of PvE Frostbolt |
| 07:05.14 | Shadowed | hmm |
| 07:05.32 | Thrae | Now we can correctly shift out of most snares and immobilizing effects |
| 07:05.56 | Thrae | That Avenger Shield thing is probably just mis-catagorized in the internal spell database |
| 07:06.05 | Thrae | It happens...a lot |
| 07:06.42 | Thrae | "Frost Shock was incorrectly catagorized as an Instant Death effect. This has been fixed with the 2.0 patch!" |
| 07:07.38 | kahdgarxi | lo |
| 07:07.39 | kahdgarxi | l |
| 07:08.33 | Thrae | "We found Druids were being able to tank world bosses -- namely, Hogger. This was fixed." |
| 07:09.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | "We found that Idols were too useful and thus we decided to make them entireless useless" |
| 07:09.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | >:| |
| 07:09.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | er |
| 07:09.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | s/reless/rely/ |
| 07:09.25 | Thrae | Mr_Rabies2: Actually, if you look at the other changes, that's a BC change |
| 07:09.44 | Thrae | Mr_Rabies2: They made it a flat damage increase so you'll have to level up and get the improved Idol in BC dungeons |
| 07:09.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | thing is |
| 07:09.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | there's no improved one |
| 07:09.53 | Thrae | They did that to a LOT of items |
| 07:10.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | the pool of available idols is pitiful |
| 07:10.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | i wouldn't have a problem if there were decent upgrades |
| 07:10.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | but instead they downgraded our current ones and made the new ones suck too |
| 07:10.34 | Thrae | Well, I never heard them say BC Beta had 100% of the content :D |
| 07:11.13 | Thrae | I bet they're rushing to add stuff to BC Release just like 100% of the other MMORPG companies due to their expansions |
| 07:11.31 | Thrae | Well not right now, the discs are already burned by now |
| 07:12.25 | Thrae | I'm trying to take Tuesday off, myself :D |
| 07:14.11 | Shadowed | They can easly release another patch a week after TBC to add more content thought |
| 07:14.17 | Thrae | tighr |
| 07:18.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | well it's bugged |
| 07:18.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | i can't break it while shifting |
| 07:18.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | by shifting |
| 07:18.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | nor can pallies with BoF |
| 07:18.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | but it doesn't cancel my mount |
| 07:19.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | time to file a bug report |
| 07:21.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | drops me to running at 70% in travel form |
| 07:21.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | ha |
| 07:21.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | on the thottbot page |
| 07:21.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | "pretty much a giant flying picknick table that flies at the enemy and crits them for like 1k |
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| 07:33.53 | Thrae | Anyone have a mod which can let you copy stuff from the chat window? |
| 07:35.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | um um um |
| 07:35.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | theres one in cosmos |
| 07:35.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | its called chatedit |
| 07:36.06 | Thrae | lemme take a look |
| 07:37.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm not a big fan of how it works but you could probably glance over the code |
| 07:37.34 | Thrae | Ah I see it in WoWI |
| 07:37.39 | Thrae | Yeah I don't agree with it either |
| 07:37.51 | Thrae | Oh well, I'll put it on my To-Do list |
| 07:38.20 | Thrae | A simple stack from ChatFrame1.AddMessage should be enough for me |
| 07:38.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | Note: For reasons of auto-line wrapping and non-standard width fonts it is nearly impossible to figure out what scroll position the chat frame is at. For this reason when you enter edit mode it will always scroll down to the bottom. Also be aware that the editbox has smooth scrolling as oppossed to the chat frame's line by line scrolling. |
| 07:38.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's really the only issue i have |
| 07:39.25 | Thrae | ChatLog looks better |
| 07:39.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | any particular reason you need to copy stuff? |
| 07:40.15 | Thrae | Mr_Rabies2: website links, etc. It's rare |
| 07:40.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | ah |
| 07:40.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | theres a couple addons that will let you click on links and copy them i know of |
| 07:40.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | of course you could always just write one to /chatlog at startup :p |
| 07:41.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | and run through the huge text file every day |
| 07:41.51 | Thrae | hah |
| 07:49.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | dammit |
| 07:49.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | search isnt working on the wow forums |
| 07:49.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | and theyre super unstable |
| 08:01.32 | ZealotOnAStick | one of the Prat modules will do that. |
| 08:01.43 | ZealotOnAStick | I think. |
| 08:08.41 | sylvanaar | copychat? it lets you copy the whole frame of text |
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| 08:45.44 | krka | Kirov: yeah |
| 08:58.19 | Kirov | lol |
| 08:58.40 | Kirov | krka - FAIAP keeps adding returns to the end of my script |
| 08:58.58 | Kirov | using tiny pad |
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| 09:07.13 | krka | working as intended |
| 09:07.20 | Kirov | >.< |
| 09:07.36 | krka | it's to avoid a bug where long pieces of text causes the rendering to fuck up |
| 09:07.50 | krka | so it adds a few newlines to the end |
| 09:07.55 | Kirov | oy |
| 09:07.55 | krka | not sure it works though |
| 09:08.18 | Corrodias | well. there, i've finished LoZ: Twilight Princess |
| 09:08.54 | kahdgarxi | grats |
| 09:09.09 | kahdgarxi | so how good was it? |
| 09:09.11 | kahdgarxi | scale of 1-10 |
| 09:09.20 | Kirov | did it go to 11? |
| 09:09.47 | Corrodias | i'd say... |
| 09:10.03 | Corrodias | and mind you, i'm no great reviewer... around 8. |
| 09:10.12 | Kirov | 11 it is! |
| 09:11.04 | Corrodias | i don't want to go disrespecting the game so soon after finishing it, because i have a sort of mourning period after finishing a game, which mostly amounts to not starting another one |
| 09:11.20 | Corrodias | but the writing was a little blah. |
| 09:11.34 | Corrodias | i've got some issues with the plot |
| 09:13.07 | nymbia | my biggest gripe was the crappy sound for the worf howling. |
| 09:13.19 | nymbia | s/worf/wolf/ |
| 09:13.21 | Corrodias | arr |
| 09:13.32 | nymbia | (worf? wtf?) |
| 09:13.33 | Kirov | lalala, it's a perfect game! |
| 09:13.51 | Corrodias | "fire photon torpedos!" "AAAWWWOOORRRRRRR..." "damn it, worf" |
| 09:13.56 | nymbia | Kirov: :( |
| 09:14.27 | nymbia | Kirov: my girlfriend's little sister is in the same boat.. she's got zelda and some other game and no wii |
| 09:14.57 | Corrodias | that's kinda strange |
| 09:15.04 | nymbia | lol |
| 09:15.36 | nymbia | she was supposed to get one for christmas but her parents couldnt get ahold of one |
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| 09:15.51 | nymbia | so they were like 'uh.. have games!' |
| 09:15.52 | Corrodias | i desired and obtained the cube version |
| 09:15.59 | Kirov | I think my mom bought one for me, but she sent them to my apartment while I was away for a week |
| 09:16.08 | Kirov | Needless to say, it was stolen by the time I got home. |
| 09:16.13 | Corrodias | i swing with the left hand, noobs |
| 09:16.14 | nymbia | Corrodias: psh, that's no fun |
| 09:17.07 | Corrodias | so the game has its issues, but it's still quite fun |
| 09:17.09 | jaxdahl | no blue posts of substance in the last 24h or so :( |
| 09:17.33 | Corrodias | i hate to say it this way, but it's no OoT. think more of a MM. |
| 09:18.21 | Corrodias | well, perhaps a bit better than that. |
| 09:18.33 | nymbia | imo, easily the best zelda game other than oot. blows MM away ;) |
| 09:19.02 | Corrodias | the second biggest thing i have to fault it for is not giving midna enough screen time |
| 09:19.28 | Corrodias | it doesn't matter that she got plenty -- it's not enough. >:F i want more midna. |
| 09:19.39 | nymbia | Corrodias: her cutscenes were pretty damn well done, though ;) |
| 09:20.17 | Corrodias | yeah, they did a good job with her face. except in that one cutscene, near the end of the game. wtf. |
| 09:20.39 | nymbia | which one? |
| 09:20.53 | nymbia | (it's been a month since i finished the game, humor me) |
| 09:21.04 | Corrodias | let's see if i can avoid spoilers. the one showing when she first pulls out the helmet thing she wears. |
| 09:21.19 | nymbia | hahaha |
| 09:21.23 | nymbia | that was a little weird |
| 09:21.27 | Corrodias | good gravy, what did they do that for |
| 09:22.42 | Corrodias | i would be surprised that she never broke off the other eye piece and kept it somewhere on her person -- so she could see, but i know practicality isn't the first priority of character design. |
| 09:22.52 | nymbia | hahaha |
| 09:22.57 | Corrodias | oops, bad use of hyphens |
| 09:23.57 | jaxdahl | is it on youtube? |
| 09:24.10 | Corrodias | the cutscene? i haven't checked. i'll see if i can find it. |
| 09:26.26 | Corrodias | there are plenty of cutscenes on here, but i have to find the right one |
| 09:28.08 | Corrodias | and youtube isn't being too speedy... or it's my router |
| 09:28.50 | Corrodias | think i've found it |
| 09:29.25 | Corrodias | download faster, you assblaster |
| 09:30.14 | Sstixrud | I am attempting to count the number of members in a subgroup and pass the subgroupid and total number of members to another function but am stumped, anyone got a second to look at: http://wowi.pastey.net/5068 |
| 09:31.56 | Corrodias | i think this ISN'T the one |
| 09:35.58 | Corrodias | i THINK it's this one, jaxdahl, is the one we were talking about. she has this expression at the end and it's just bizarre and kind of inappropriate. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7r-R99ZkCOA |
| 09:36.20 | Corrodias | i can't tell you for sure because the video's 4 minutes long and it looks like it might be 16 minutes before i have the damn thing downloaded |
| 09:38.18 | Corrodias | yeah, that's it |
| 09:38.51 | Corrodias | at 2:30, not exactly the "end" |
| 09:39.39 | Mery | Sstixrud: http://wowi.pastey.net/5069 |
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| 09:41.04 | Sstixrud | Mery, thanks much ill give it a try :) |
| 09:42.39 | Mery | (please read the comment i put in, as I think that part of the code is not doing what you want it to do) |
| 09:47.14 | Sstixrud | ok, i'll test it I never got around to testing that part yet :) |
| 09:47.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | i wanna be called spaghetti. |
| 09:48.07 | Sstixrud | why would GetNumRaidMembers be 0 at that point? |
| 09:51.35 | Mery | because all other returns (>0) are handled by the if (GetNumRaidMembers > 0) then part above |
| 09:51.48 | Mery | and it only falls to 'else' when it is 0 |
| 09:52.57 | Sstixrud | if it is 0 I want to hide all buttons |
| 09:54.09 | Sstixrud | oh I see what you mean |
| 09:54.11 | Mery | but the code you placed in there |
| 09:54.37 | Mery | looks like you also want to hide unsued buttons when it's >0 but <40 |
| 09:54.53 | Mery | it's >= 0 |
| 09:55.56 | Sstixrud | if buttons are set to 0, or subgroup does not activate its frame then I want to hide all remaining frames |
| 09:56.49 | Sstixrud | for each subgroup there are 5 frames and I am only activating the frames that have members assoicated with them per subgroup |
| 09:56.59 | Mery | well where do you show the frames? its usually easiest to just hid ethe unsued there too |
| 09:57.37 | Mery | like you show 1-3 of one subgroup -> hide 4-5 directly after that |
| 09:58.17 | Sstixrud | any frame subgroup activates will show the frame |
| 09:59.50 | Sstixrud | understood, I used to do that. But UnitButtons_InitRaid is a much heavier function than UnitButtons_InitFrame and I have it broken out like this to decrease overhead |
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| 10:40.43 | Sstixrud | woo hoo success |
| 10:43.22 | Sstixrud | selecting a specific frame for every subgroup + member in a raid is quite the process |
| 10:44.22 | Sstixrud | now my frames save their position next to each Raid UnitFrame and follow players as they are moved between subgroups in a raid |
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| 11:34.32 | Kirov | Heh, here I'm trying to reduce the memory usage on sorting for my item addon and I go check KC_Items and it's roughly 2 times worse |
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| 11:43.57 | Hobinheim | can a mod swap gear for you in combat? |
| 11:44.43 | TheStig | Nothing can swap gear for you in combat other than Weapons |
| 11:44.45 | axxo | only weapons |
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| 11:45.04 | Hobinheim | can it happen w/o user interaction? i.e. mod controls? |
| 11:45.10 | axxo | yes |
| 11:45.11 | Hobinheim | *mod driven? |
| 11:45.12 | Hobinheim | HOTT |
| 11:45.14 | Hobinheim | thx |
| 11:45.32 | TheStig | look into an addon called ItemRack |
| 11:45.42 | TheStig | they have "events" for swapping gear |
| 11:45.51 | TheStig | ie, you mount up, it puts on your gear for speed boost |
| 11:45.56 | TheStig | you dismount it puts back on your regular gear |
| 11:46.15 | TheStig | you go into a resting xp accumulation area it changes you into "town" clothes, etc. |
| 11:46.25 | Hobinheim | i want to make my own item swapping mod for weapons |
| 11:46.35 | Hobinheim | to automatically switch weapons based on some condition |
| 11:46.40 | Hobinheim | does the ranged slot count as a weapon? |
| 11:46.54 | nevcairiel | yea |
| 11:47.08 | nevcairiel | even for druids, pallys and shammys |
| 11:47.12 | nevcairiel | they can switch their idols |
| 11:47.21 | TheStig | what about offhand? |
| 11:47.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | 3 black lotus in an hour |
| 11:47.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | so far |
| 11:47.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | including travel time :o |
| 11:49.00 | axxo | 15g/hr weak |
| 11:49.36 | Hobinheim | is it possible to actively detect a cooldown? |
| 11:49.43 | axxo | yes |
| 11:49.45 | Hobinheim | or have people been using cooldown tables to track their time? |
| 11:49.57 | Hobinheim | err detect a cooldown besides when it starts? |
| 11:50.13 | nevcairiel | you can query cooldown info for items and actions |
| 11:50.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | <axxo> 15g/hr weak |
| 11:50.30 | TheStig | Mr_Rabies: do you know if General Turalyon, Ranger Captain Alleria Windrunner, Archmage Khadgar of the Kirin Tor, Danath Trollbane, and Kurdran Wildhammer - the 5 people who are the statues in front of stormwind who marched to Draenor are alive and in outland? |
| 11:50.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | they go for like 8 or so on my server :O |
| 11:50.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | um |
| 11:50.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | not sure about alleria |
| 11:50.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | i know khadgar is |
| 11:50.59 | axxo | still weak |
| 11:51.00 | axxo | :) |
| 11:51.00 | nevcairiel | i think 4 of those have been found |
| 11:51.06 | nevcairiel | one was missing |
| 11:51.07 | TheStig | ohh |
| 11:51.12 | TheStig | what are their function? |
| 11:51.24 | nevcairiel | khadgar gives you some quests in shattrath |
| 11:51.27 | nevcairiel | the others, dunno |
| 11:51.32 | TheStig | hehe wow |
| 11:51.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | axxo: that's not including mountain silversage, dream foil and icecap i've found in the process |
| 11:51.44 | TheStig | i was just reading the plates |
| 11:51.50 | TheStig | they all say presumed deceased and on draenor |
| 11:51.53 | TheStig | and i was like hmm... |
| 11:51.56 | TheStig | i bet they're alive! |
| 11:53.04 | TheStig | I hate that same faction pets and minions first appear as hostile until you target them |
| 11:53.19 | TheStig | blizz needs to fix that |
| 11:53.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Kargathbc.jpg |
| 11:53.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | he uses the old human model |
| 11:53.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | hehe |
| 11:54.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | imagine alleria's thoughts |
| 11:54.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | on her sister being the head of the horde's zombies |
| 11:54.39 | Hobinheim | oh boy... what's the api function to fetch someone's race in english and in localized? |
| 11:54.42 | Hobinheim | the name escapes me |
| 11:55.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | "Horde players can locate a necklace given by Alleria to her sister Sylvanas. The Dark Lady rages in fury at the messenger, but succumbs to her memories" |
| 11:55.38 | nevcairiel | race, raceEn = UnitRace("unit"); |
| 11:55.40 | nevcairiel | ? |
| 11:55.51 | Kirov | http://www.wowwiki.com/World_of_Warcraft_API#Unit_Functions |
| 11:55.51 | Hobinheim | so... i'd use unitrace player? |
| 11:55.51 | nevcairiel | its not hard to guess the function name |
| 11:55.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Lament_of_the_Highborne |
| 11:55.52 | nevcairiel | :D |
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| 11:56.03 | Hobinheim | i thought there was another function iw as thinking of |
| 11:56.06 | Hobinheim | that didn't use targets |
| 11:56.21 | nevcairiel | yeah use UnitRace("player") |
| 11:56.25 | Hobinheim | wow did i say |
| 11:56.28 | Hobinheim | race, class. |
| 11:56.34 | Hobinheim | it's early.... =( |
| 11:56.37 | nevcairiel | UnitClass("player") |
| 11:56.39 | nevcairiel | its really easy :P |
| 11:56.48 | Hobinheim | nevcairiel, need coffee =P |
| 11:57.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipQBFDb_SFI&eurl= |
| 11:57.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | so awesome |
| 11:57.40 | Hobinheim | Mr_Rabies, what is it? |
| 11:57.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | Sylvanas' song |
| 11:57.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | when you give her alleria's necklace |
| 11:58.01 | gngsk| | she's so hawt |
| 11:58.05 | gngsk| | I'd make love to her corpse |
| 11:58.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | . |
| 11:59.13 | Gngsk | least I don't have rabies :P |
| 12:00.55 | Hobinheim | when does this singing happen? |
| 12:01.02 | Hobinheim | err rather what is this necklace |
| 12:01.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | i guess khadgar or someone tells you to give it to sylvanas |
| 12:01.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | since Alleria is currently MIA |
| 12:02.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.blizzard.com/inblizz/fanart/images/screens/ss413.jpg |
| 12:02.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | what |
| 12:03.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.blizzard.com/inblizz/contests/artcontest2006/images/grandwarcraft.jpg |
| 12:03.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | i love that picture |
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| 12:03.29 | krka | pretty cool song |
| 12:03.57 | krka | blizzard rocks at content |
| 12:04.16 | Hobinheim | yeah it's a nice song |
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| 12:04.50 | Corr[discon] | ooh, that's kind ahot, Mr_Rabies |
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| 12:05.12 | kremonte | Mr_Rabies: the first one... what |
| 12:05.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | thats what i said |
| 12:05.33 | kremonte | yea.. |
| 12:05.34 | kremonte | what... |
| 12:05.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | i was looking for that sylvanas pic |
| 12:05.47 | kremonte | if the WoW world were real, that's a scene from a kids movie |
| 12:05.50 | kremonte | that's a great pic of sylvanas |
| 12:06.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's how druids roll |
| 12:09.36 | kremonte | anyone have a link to periodictable embedded? i can't DL it from the wowace page... download keeps breaking ;~; |
| 12:09.37 | Corr[discon] | not tauren |
| 12:09.47 | Corr[discon] | we don't do that, no |
| 12:10.54 | Hobinheim | what does periodic table do? |
| 12:11.08 | kremonte | library of itemid sets... hoping this DL works |
| 12:11.18 | Corrodias | it informs you of elemental weights, names, abbreviations, and numbers |
| 12:11.51 | kremonte | s/agin/again |
| 12:13.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | woo |
| 12:13.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | got all 4 black lotus spawns this hour |
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| 12:15.33 | nevcairiel | those things are not even worth it anymore |
| 12:15.48 | nevcairiel | i have like 10 or so in my bank and didnt use one for quite some time :D |
| 12:19.59 | Corrodias | nobody's going to want one any more, are they? |
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| 12:25.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=13468#c0z |
| 12:25.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | /shrug |
| 12:25.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | people will probably still use flasks |
| 12:26.16 | Corrodias | what flasks? are you talking about the buff things? i didn't know they use black lotus |
| 12:26.22 | Corrodias | my guild isn't wealthy enough to use them |
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| 12:33.56 | D_i_M_o_N | hi |
| 12:34.13 | D_i_M_o_N | some body here me? |
| 12:34.16 | Corrodias | ho, hi ho |
| 12:34.41 | D_i_M_o_N | can i ask question about WOW in this channel ? |
| 12:35.27 | Kirov | depends on the question |
| 12:35.44 | D_i_M_o_N | maybe you know how can i keep Global Cooldown : )) i have my own server and i need to tesT ) pls say if ypu know |
| 12:35.48 | D_i_M_o_N | ? |
| 12:35.51 | D_i_M_o_N | :)) |
| 12:36.03 | Kirov | keep global cooldown? |
| 12:36.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | O_o |
| 12:36.20 | D_i_M_o_N | sorry) |
| 12:36.38 | D_i_M_o_N | pass Global Cooldown ) |
| 12:36.46 | D_i_M_o_N | my english not so good) |
| 12:36.48 | D_i_M_o_N | sorry |
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| 12:37.19 | D_i_M_o_N | avoid Global Cooldown :)) it's better ) |
| 12:38.11 | D_i_M_o_N | nobody know ? ) |
| 12:38.11 | Kirov | D_i_M_o_N - People here are mostly about .lua programing for the wow API |
| 12:38.49 | D_i_M_o_N | lua help to do this |
| 12:39.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | I doubt it, the global cooldown is hardcoded |
| 12:39.17 | D_i_M_o_N | to write script, macros .... |
| 12:39.30 | Corrodias | i, on the other hand, am here more for the non-coding discussions, since i'm not an author |
| 12:39.34 | D_i_M_o_N | and avoid it.. |
| 12:40.08 | Corrodias | you can't avoid the global cooldown. a few abilities to not trigger it, though. |
| 12:40.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | unless you can write your own spells i dont think you can avoid it |
| 12:41.54 | D_i_M_o_N | i know ppls who cast coruption agony in 1 click |
| 12:42.41 | D_i_M_o_N | so they could avoiD Global Cooldown |
| 12:42.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | my best guess would be to ask them |
| 12:43.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's not possible as far as i know |
| 12:43.36 | D_i_M_o_N | i ask.... |
| 12:43.39 | D_i_M_o_N | it is a secret |
| 12:43.56 | D_i_M_o_N | but i see it... and it is possible |
| 12:44.32 | Hobinheim | in what ways could i react to a trinket being at 30 seconds? |
| 12:44.39 | Hobinheim | there are no events specifically targetted to that right? |
| 12:44.49 | Hobinheim | i'm trying to avoiding coding an OnUpdate handler |
| 12:45.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | nope, but trinketmenu will notify you at 30 seconds, afaik, maybe you could look at it :O |
| 12:45.33 | Hobinheim | i'm guessing BAG_UPDATE_COOLDOWN only fires at the start of a cooldown? |
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| 12:54.01 | Cide | D_i_M_o_N: no, not possible |
| 12:54.38 | Corrodias | you can use the same button to cast both, but they cannot cast at the same time. |
| 12:54.55 | Corrodias | you can cast one with the first click and the other with the second click. i think. |
| 12:55.14 | zenzelezz | there's always the chance that it's just lag... so it can seem like they happen at the same time |
| 13:04.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | Corr, seems like he's talking about private servers |
| 13:04.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | which uh |
| 13:04.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | who knows what's possible on those |
| 13:05.02 | Kirov | is it possible to change the values inside a ... |
| 13:05.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | the answer is no |
| 13:05.31 | Cide | indirectly :P |
| 13:05.49 | krka | yeah |
| 13:05.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | sorry kirov, i do that all the time :x |
| 13:06.21 | Cide | function foo(...) if ( UnitName("player") == "Cide" ) then return foo("hi", select(2, ...)); end end |
| 13:06.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | i cut people off mid question and say "no" just to piss them off |
| 13:06.27 | Cide | but not other than that, no |
| 13:07.19 | Kirov | Trying to take a list of values to pass to a strjoin, but I need to replace anything that's nil with a "" |
| 13:07.26 | Cide | of course, that would get you into an infinite loop so you'd have to use a non-permatrue if statement! |
| 13:07.36 | krka | > function modifyDotI(i, newVal, first, ...) if i == 1 then return newVal, ... end return first, modifyDotI(i - 1, newVal, ...) end |
| 13:07.39 | krka | > print(modifyDotI(3, 19, 1,2,3,4,5)) |
| 13:07.42 | krka | 1 2 19 4 5 |
| 13:07.44 | krka | works like a charm |
| 13:07.46 | krka | > |
| 13:09.21 | Cide | Kirov: I think you'd have to recurse like krka |
| 13:09.32 | krka | in Kirov's case: modifyDotI(index, "", stringList...) |
| 13:09.59 | Kirov | that should work |
| 13:10.19 | Kirov | a table would do it, but obviously trying to avoid that |
| 13:10.21 | Cide | either that or put them into a temp table, iterate, unpack |
| 13:10.21 | krka | of course, easily modded to automatically replace all nils |
| 13:10.45 | Kirov | that and {...} with nils has problems |
| 13:11.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | all these ...s |
| 13:11.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's like |
| 13:11.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm playing final fantasy 8 |
| 13:11.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | "Hey squall what's up?" "..." |
| 13:11.35 | Kirov | so for i=1, select("#",...) do tinsert(t,select(i,...) or "") end |
| 13:11.47 | Cide | yeah, exactly |
| 13:12.08 | Kirov | I'll see how fast / slow the recursive function is vs. a table |
| 13:12.12 | Cide | might be faster for high '#' |
| 13:12.14 | krka | function removeAllNils(first, ...) if first == nil then first = "" end if select("#", ...) == 0 then return first end return first, removeAllNils(...) end |
| 13:12.48 | Cide | most likely faster with a normal insert instead of a tinsert() |
| 13:12.56 | Kirov | aye |
| 13:13.03 | Kirov | # is so damn fas |
| 13:13.04 | Kirov | t |
| 13:13.13 | Kirov | I discovered % today too |
| 13:13.20 | Kirov | 6x faster than mod |
| 13:13.24 | Kirov | so nice |
| 13:13.35 | Cide | I want ^~>><< |
| 13:13.41 | krka | i think my recursive is faster |
| 13:13.44 | Cide | and & | |
| 13:13.47 | Kirov | krka - probably |
| 13:13.50 | Kirov | let me test |
| 13:14.03 | krka | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:14.03 | Cide | krka: might change for high values of # |
| 13:14.07 | krka | do it like that, locals ftw! |
| 13:14.16 | krka | possibly |
| 13:14.28 | krka | hm, i wonder if i could make it tail recursive somehow |
| 13:14.34 | Kirov | I won't be going past 30 maybe, if that |
| 13:14.39 | Kirov | probably closer to 15-20 |
| 13:15.08 | Kirov | And I'm doing this a lot, so the gc is going to be crap |
| 13:15.13 | Kirov | if I use tables |
| 13:15.21 | krka | you could reuse a table |
| 13:15.37 | Cide | yeah, you would use a single one |
| 13:15.44 | Cide | clear it before/after use |
| 13:15.56 | Cide | before |
| 13:15.57 | Kirov | don't really need to clear it since the function would clear it |
| 13:16.14 | Kirov | but the unused strings would still pile up |
| 13:16.16 | Cide | you'd get the wrong count! |
| 13:16.31 | Kirov | consistant length ftw! |
| 13:18.28 | krka | do local t,select = {}, select; function removeAllNils(...) local n = select("#", ...); for i = 1, n do t[i] = select(i, ...) or ""; return unpack(t, n) end |
| 13:18.31 | krka | >> end |
| 13:18.34 | krka | >> end |
| 13:18.36 | krka | or something |
| 13:20.19 | krka | do local t,select,unpack = {}, select, unpack; function removeAllNils(...) local n = select("#", ...); for i = 1, n do t[i] = select(i, ...) or ""; end return unpack(t, 1, n) end end |
| 13:20.24 | krka | that one actually works |
| 13:21.28 | krka | not sure i could make it run any faster than that |
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| 13:24.13 | Kirov | could pass the # as a variable at the start and val=val-1 before passing it |
| 13:24.21 | krka | seems like the table version is faster than the recursive value |
| 13:26.00 | Kirov | actually nm |
| 13:26.32 | Kirov | is it faster to select() a nil index or do a # and compare |
| 13:27.42 | krka | > starttime() for i = 1, 1e6 do removeAllNils2("a", nil, "b", nil, nil, nil, "c","","","","","","","","","","","") end stoptime() |
| 13:27.45 | krka | 11.79 |
| 13:27.48 | krka | > starttime() for i = 1, 1e6 do removeAllNils("a", nil, "b", nil, nil, nil, "c","","","","","","","","","","","") end stoptime() |
| 13:27.51 | krka | 10.42 |
| 13:27.54 | krka | > |
| 13:27.56 | krka | 2 = recursive |
| 13:29.04 | Kirov | yeah, seeing the same thing |
| 13:29.20 | krka | but the recursive is so much prettier :) |
| 13:29.29 | Kirov | aye |
| 13:29.46 | Kirov | I'm actually seeing the table method even faster because I'm setting the table length to a constant instead of # |
| 13:31.51 | Kirov | hmm... I might do the table |
| 13:32.36 | krka | not possible to check for nils "on the other side" |
| 13:32.46 | krka | or is this stuff you pass to unknown functions / blizzard functions |
| 13:32.57 | Kirov | strjoin errs with nils |
| 13:33.06 | krka | ah right |
| 13:33.19 | Corrodias | why can't it just concat nothing onto the end? bah! |
| 13:33.53 | krka | what is strjoin? |
| 13:33.57 | krka | can't find it in the lua docs |
| 13:34.03 | Kirov | it's not in the lua docs |
| 13:34.12 | krka | how about using table.concat? |
| 13:34.14 | Kirov | not part of lua at all actually |
| 13:34.17 | krka | should be even faster |
| 13:34.25 | Kirov | need a delimiter |
| 13:34.32 | krka | table.concat (table [, sep [, i [, j]]]) |
| 13:34.33 | krka | Given an array where all elements are strings or numbers, returns table[i]..sep..table[i+1] ··· sep..table[j]. The default value for sep is the empty string, the default for i is 1, and the default for j is the length of the table. If i is greater than j, returns the empty string. |
| 13:35.36 | Kirov | hmm |
| 13:36.09 | krka | > function nilConcat(t, n) for i = 1, n do if not t[i] then t[i] = "" end end return table.concat(t, ",", 1, n) end |
| 13:36.12 | krka | or something |
| 13:36.26 | krka | probably the most efficient. since it doesn't have to bother with multiple args |
| 13:36.45 | krka | pretty sure table.concat is implemented in c-land too |
| 13:38.05 | Kirov | hmm |
| 13:38.59 | krka | yup, it's in ltablib :) |
| 13:39.07 | Kirov | I might still pass it as a ... |
| 13:39.14 | Kirov | then build the table there |
| 13:39.21 | Kirov | but use table.concat at the end |
| 13:39.26 | krka | static int tconcat (lua_State *L) { |
| 13:39.26 | krka | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:39.26 | krka | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:39.26 | krka | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:39.26 | krka | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:39.28 | krka | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:39.31 | krka | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:39.33 | krka | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:39.36 | krka | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:39.38 | krka | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:39.41 | krka | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:39.43 | krka | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:39.46 | krka | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:39.48 | krka | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:39.51 | krka | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:39.53 | krka | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:39.56 | krka | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:39.58 | krka | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:40.01 | krka | } |
| 13:40.03 | krka | yup, definitely a fast function |
| 13:40.21 | krka | actually, i lost both legs in a car accident when i was 19 |
| 13:40.35 | Corrodias | pussy |
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| 14:05.08 | andy__ | can i use lua libraries in my wow addon for e.g. luasocket-2.0.1? |
| 14:06.40 | Kirov | external c libraries? no |
| 14:06.42 | krka | short answer: no |
| 14:06.45 | krka | long answer: no |
| 14:07.10 | zenzelezz | you're intentionally kept from contacting anything outside WoW |
| 14:07.24 | axxo | very long answer, probably |
| 14:11.00 | andy__ | there are other ways to connect to a website via http? |
| 14:16.06 | Gnarfoz | none, from within wow's lua sandbox |
| 14:17.03 | Hobinheim | is there an event that fires when i destroy something in my inventory? |
| 14:17.13 | Gnarfoz | BAG_UPDATE, at least |
| 14:18.05 | Hobinheim | hmm maybe i didn't code it right... |
| 14:19.36 | Hobinheim | ah ha |
| 14:19.44 | Hobinheim | it doesn't fire when i destroy my spellstone |
| 14:20.01 | Hobinheim | yup it doesn't fire when i desotry a ranged item |
| 14:20.06 | Hobinheim | straight from the paper doll i mean |
| 14:20.08 | Hobinheim | =/ |
| 14:20.13 | Hobinheim | oh well, far and few between i guess |
| 14:20.36 | Cide | get devtools and use the event watcher |
| 14:21.44 | Hobinheim | has it been updated recently? |
| 14:22.53 | Cide | iriel's the author so yes, most likely |
| 14:23.09 | Hobinheim | hmm infobot... |
| 14:23.11 | Hobinheim | where can i find it |
| 14:23.41 | Gnarfoz | ~devtools |
| 14:23.44 | purl | it has been said that devtools is Iriel's DevTools, a highly useful set of debugging tools for developers on WoW. Found at http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=3999 Why isn't it in the default client yet?, or found at http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?s=&id=5415 for the beta |
| 14:23.44 | Hobinheim | gah |
| 14:23.45 | Gnarfoz | Hobinheim: ^ |
| 14:23.46 | Gnarfoz | ;] |
| 14:24.07 | Hobinheim | not updated =P |
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| 14:24.22 | Hobinheim | not to say that it doesn't work with an old toc |
| 14:24.39 | Cide | it will |
| 14:25.18 | Hobinheim | i never change tocs on principle... i mean, mostly |
| 14:26.01 | Cide | which is why you use the "load out of date addons" checkbox :) |
| 14:26.10 | Hobinheim | boo =P |
| 14:26.20 | Hobinheim | if i did that i would never have a reason to update my addons, evr |
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| 14:27.02 | zenzelezz | I want an addon that loads with the character selection screen and tells you "hey nub, you've forgotten to enable your mods again" after a patch |
| 14:27.12 | Gnarfoz | heh |
| 14:27.14 | Gnarfoz | that'd be useful |
| 14:27.33 | zenzelezz | perhaps I wouldn't have to log in twice every patch then :-p |
| 14:28.27 | Hobinheim | is there a... pattern or convention for throttling events? |
| 14:28.38 | Hobinheim | like BAG UPDATE fires seven or eight times |
| 14:28.45 | Hobinheim | when i only need my handler to fire once |
| 14:28.50 | Gnarfoz | fires for each slot in every bag, I think |
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| 14:29.02 | Garthnait | hi guys |
| 14:29.08 | Hobinheim | ahh i guess i should slot-ize my handler...? |
| 14:29.11 | Cide | how you throttle it is entirely up to you and your needs |
| 14:29.18 | Garthnait | who was the sript for checking client? |
| 14:29.23 | Gnarfoz | you should, at least if you're using BAG_UPDATE =) |
| 14:29.32 | Hobinheim | yeah i didn't realize that |
| 14:29.34 | Cide | Garthnait: 'checking client'? |
| 14:29.43 | Cide | you don't need separate event handlers to throttle |
| 14:29.44 | Garthnait | script getlocal or so |
| 14:29.48 | Gnarfoz | getbuild() or something? ^^ |
| 14:29.53 | Gnarfoz | getlocale? |
| 14:29.56 | Cide | Garthnait: GetLocale() |
| 14:30.11 | Hobinheim | wow this dev tools thing is sick |
| 14:30.14 | Hobinheim | i only used it for dump |
| 14:30.23 | Garthnait | und how do i print this on my scrren for checking? |
| 14:30.50 | Kirov | For events that fire rapidly like that I setup an OnUpdate for it |
| 14:30.51 | bleetah | dump |
| 14:30.53 | Cide | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:30.56 | bleetah | haha oops |
| 14:30.57 | Cide | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:31.27 | Garthnait | thanks |
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| 14:35.33 | Bouvi | Any wowi mods that want to be nice and approve my UI uploads :) |
| 14:36.19 | Kirov | I think they all just want to sleep atm |
| 14:36.21 | Cide | your uploads are banned |
| 14:36.32 | Bouvi | Story of my life lol |
| 14:39.15 | cladhaire | I'm Bouvi, Blah, Blah, Blah |
| 14:39.24 | Bouvi | lol |
| 14:40.05 | cladhaire | why do poeple still upload.rar |
| 14:40.07 | cladhaire | *growl* |
| 14:40.22 | Bouvi | Wasn't me lol Who knows that drives me crazy |
| 14:40.33 | Kirov | because .rar is a superior compression format |
| 14:41.02 | Tain | Not *growl* *rar* |
| 14:41.10 | zenzelezz | we should all be using .uha anyway |
| 14:41.21 | Tain | I'm gonna upload addons with .ACE |
| 14:41.36 | cladhaire | Kirov: "superior" in this case means almost nothing |
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| 14:41.44 | Kirov | hehe |
| 14:41.45 | cladhaire | Bouvi: There's no addon in your mage widescreen one |
| 14:41.53 | Hobinheim | why is the UI reporting 8 bags? |
| 14:41.56 | Hobinheim | i thought we only had five |
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| 14:42.15 | Kirov | bank? |
| 14:42.20 | cladhaire | Bouvi: Its JUST your wtf folder |
| 14:42.27 | Hobinheim | i'm not even near the bank |
| 14:42.31 | Bouvi | Yes it uses my addon pack |
| 14:42.35 | Bouvi | Link in the text |
| 14:42.40 | Kirov | grr |
| 14:42.43 | cladhaire | k |
| 14:42.51 | JoshBorke | morning |
| 14:43.46 | Kirov | anyone able to connect? |
| 14:43.57 | sysrage | hobin: there were patch notes awhile ago that you were going to be able to purchase additional bag slots |
| 14:44.25 | Smeltn | update this morning Bouvi |
| 14:44.27 | Smeltn | ? |
| 14:44.37 | Hobinheim | whoa?! |
| 14:44.53 | Hobinheim | hmm internal bags with size zero |
| 14:44.57 | Bouvi | Yeah updated the addon pack and both my UIs |
| 14:45.02 | Smeltn | I just finished countless hours trying to fix eepanels...good lord what a headache since its broke |
| 14:45.22 | Bouvi | Thanks Cladhaire |
| 14:45.23 | cladhaire | 2.0.5 enUS patch |
| 14:45.25 | Hobinheim | my backpack isn't getting scanned... =( |
| 14:45.29 | cladhaire | for those who didn't see/hear yet. |
| 14:45.38 | zenzelezz | patch notes? |
| 14:45.39 | Bouvi | eePanels is working for me |
| 14:45.41 | Smeltn | patch now? |
| 14:45.48 | Smeltn | yeah Bouvi it broke aftr 2.04 |
| 14:45.52 | Smeltn | for ALOT of people |
| 14:45.55 | Smeltn | including me |
| 14:45.56 | cladhaire | http://wowi.pastey.net/5080 |
| 14:46.04 | cladhaire | just the graphical fix. |
| 14:46.06 | Bouvi | Weird no problems here with it. |
| 14:47.11 | Smeltn | the way I had to fix it |
| 14:47.11 | Hobinheim | did you just say theres a 2.0.5? |
| 14:47.17 | cladhaire | Kirov: I cannot get connected |
| 14:47.17 | Smeltn | was to keep teh frames locked |
| 14:47.18 | cladhaire | Hobinheim: yes. |
| 14:47.21 | Smeltn | and move them manually by values |
| 14:47.22 | Hobinheim | notes? |
| 14:47.26 | Smeltn | not drag and drop |
| 14:47.27 | cladhaire | ... |
| 14:47.30 | cladhaire | i just pasted them. |
| 14:47.32 | cladhaire | ffs. |
| 14:47.42 | cladhaire | Kirov: I go to disconnected from server immediately |
| 14:47.49 | Hobinheim | sorry i didn't realize that's what you were linking to |
| 14:47.54 | Kirov | cladhaire - oy |
| 14:47.54 | cladhaire | heh |
| 14:47.59 | Hobinheim | pastey's usuallly code =( |
| 14:48.04 | Smeltn | Bouvi whats this weeks reviews? Cartagrapher and what else? |
| 14:48.13 | cladhaire | fubar |
| 14:48.19 | Hobinheim | weak patch |
| 14:48.19 | Smeltn | that was last week |
| 14:48.23 | Hobinheim | nothing aweseom |
| 14:48.27 | Kirov | I was online, then I accidentally tried to view a very large table using tekprober |
| 14:48.28 | Hobinheim | thx tho |
| 14:48.31 | Cide | this is an interesting change |
| 14:48.34 | Kirov | which usually results in a locked ui |
| 14:48.35 | Cide | Increased the maximum number of realms that can be listed in the Realm List. |
| 14:48.50 | Kirov | Cide - I thought that one curious as well |
| 14:48.52 | Cide | I don't see why that would even be a limitation to begin with |
| 14:49.00 | Bouvi | Just did Cartographer and Fubar. Next week is Bongos and VBagnon |
| 14:49.24 | Hobinheim | setting acceleration to INTERNAL USE ONLY should be fun |
| 14:49.35 | Smeltn | yeah |
| 14:49.51 | Kirov | Probably just disconnect you and say "I told you not to use that" |
| 14:50.32 | Kirov | cladhaire - downlading update |
| 14:50.44 | Hobinheim | lol |
| 14:50.55 | cladhaire | ooh authenticating now. |
| 14:50.58 | cladhaire | then disconnecetd |
| 14:50.58 | cladhaire | heh |
| 14:51.34 | Hobinheim | oh you tried it? |
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| 14:51.39 | Kirov | It seems like blizzard's authentication server just gives the client permission to continue to connect to a server. |
| 14:51.49 | Kirov | The server itself has to be updated to know there's a patch. |
| 14:51.54 | Smeltn | is there documentation somewhere where I can find out how to add my own font to clearfont? |
| 14:51.58 | Smeltn | I want to use Tahoma |
| 14:52.13 | Bouvi | Is there a patch?? |
| 14:52.19 | Bouvi | I am in-game now and have been for a bit |
| 14:52.20 | Smeltn | yes |
| 14:52.24 | Tain | Yeah you can connect to the server to download a patch even if you put in the wrong password |
| 14:52.27 | Smeltn | <cladhaire> 2.0.5 enUS patch |
| 14:52.47 | Smeltn | horribly slow getting it though |
| 14:52.52 | Kirov | aye |
| 14:52.54 | Smeltn | I am at 45% and thats the ingame update |
| 14:52.56 | cladhaire | it downloaded instantly for me. |
| 14:52.59 | Kirov | I feel like I'm downloading it as they're uploading |
| 14:53.06 | Kirov | at 28 here |
| 14:53.07 | cladhaire | apparently they wait to patch until I wake up |
| 14:53.08 | Smeltn | affirm |
| 14:53.09 | Bouvi | When did it come out? |
| 14:53.15 | Smeltn | lol |
| 14:53.15 | zenzelezz | Smeltn: most likely it's the full patch, it just downloads it all in-game |
| 14:53.20 | Smeltn | about 2 mins ago Bouvi |
| 14:53.20 | Kirov | Bouvi - about now |
| 14:53.28 | Bouvi | LOL |
| 14:53.42 | Bouvi | I will just stay in-game |
| 14:53.42 | Hobinheim | i'm still logged in |
| 14:53.49 | Hobinheim | hangin' on! |
| 14:54.01 | Kirov | It's a client only patch, so they probably didn't reboot the servers |
| 14:55.45 | cladhaire | "Disconnected from server" |
| 14:55.47 | cladhaire | ARROWED! |
| 14:56.35 | Hobinheim | are you logging in normally or did you set the flag on the acceleration? |
| 14:57.08 | cladhaire | normally |
| 14:57.20 | cladhaire | i patched, then logged in |
| 14:57.22 | Hobinheim | =( |
| 14:57.43 | Hobinheim | wow isn't this supposed to be a small update? are they getting hammered?? so slow... =( |
| 14:57.56 | cladhaire | well its a direct download |
| 14:57.57 | cladhaire | so yes |
| 14:58.02 | cladhaire | they're getting hammered =) |
| 14:58.18 | Cide | just proves why bittorrent is, in fact, a good way of sharing data |
| 14:58.24 | cladhaire | =) |
| 14:58.29 | Cide | and not only for saving bandwidth on blizzard's part |
| 14:59.05 | Kirov | or why I prefer to download my patches from external sites |
| 14:59.17 | Hobinheim | did the toc change in 2.0.4? |
| 14:59.24 | axxo | well blizzard could have a good mirroring system |
| 14:59.26 | Hobinheim | or did they make addons compatible in both 20004 and 20003? |
| 14:59.27 | axxo | which they don't |
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| 14:59.48 | cladhaire | Hobinheim: It changed, but you can load out of date |
| 14:59.56 | cladhaire | the only time they broke was 12.0 -> 2.0.1 |
| 15:00.28 | Hobinheim | well, no i don't like loading out of date addons.... |
| 15:00.36 | Cide | axxo: providing bandwidth for 8 million users x 300+ mb sounds like a good way of wasting useful bandwidth when BT does just fine |
| 15:00.43 | Hobinheim | from 20000 to 20003 makes all the 20000 disable out, right? |
| 15:01.06 | Hobinheim | but 20004 didn't disable out any 20003's |
| 15:01.18 | Cide | it's not 20004 |
| 15:01.35 | Hobinheim | ok |
| 15:01.53 | Kirov | toc # not equal to patch # |
| 15:02.09 | Hobinheim | icicic |
| 15:02.14 | Hobinheim | makes a lot more sense now... |
| 15:02.22 | Kirov | They changed it a long while back to make it closer so it made more sense, but they've never been the same. |
| 15:02.30 | Smeltn | uhh ohh |
| 15:02.33 | Smeltn | cant log in |
| 15:02.52 | Kirov | For a while the toc would be a number like 7301 and the patch was 1.3 |
| 15:02.52 | Smeltn | as soon as you put in your username and password it says connecting then disconnected from server |
| 15:04.27 | Kirov | Smeltn - that usually means Blizzard caught you cheating and they've already sent the FBI to pick you up. |
| 15:04.39 | Kirov | I suggest pouring acid on your harddrive asap |
| 15:05.02 | Smeltn | OH SNAP! |
| 15:05.07 | Smeltn | how did they know? |
| 15:05.25 | Smeltn | I swear Logitech told me the G15 doesnt show up in game |
| 15:05.39 | Smeltn | I could do AMAZING things with this keyboard and not get caught |
| 15:05.44 | cladhaire | Kirov: thats when the .toc used to be based on the last build number that the UI changed =) |
| 15:05.56 | Smeltn | I knew they shoud have made the name be the iKeyboard instead |
| 15:05.59 | Kirov | Smeltn - dancing 50 feet in the middle of WSG with the flag and nosing at the GMs telling you to stop might have something to do with it. |
| 15:06.26 | Smeltn | but everyone was laughing.. I thought that meant they were enjoying the show |
| 15:06.32 | Bouvi | Downloading patch on wife's machine and will just copy it to mine |
| 15:06.36 | Bouvi | SLOW |
| 15:06.51 | Smeltn | yeha its horrible Bouvi |
| 15:06.52 | Tain | The G15's hardware macros will work fine in the game. Of course always sending keypresses at the exact interval over and over again is easy to see if you make yourself obvious. |
| 15:07.18 | Smeltn | Tain is a cheater.. Tain is a cheater |
| 15:07.54 | Tain | I used to do it grinding easy stuff on my rogue. Hit one button for Sinister Srike 5x and then Eviscerate. |
| 15:07.55 | Hobinheim | oh well thanks for your help everybody |
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| 15:10.37 | jag111 | Hey all |
| 15:10.58 | jag111 | I'm looking for a function that will open up a whisper box to whoever i tell it to - is that simple? |
| 15:11.14 | Smeltn | whisperfu? |
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| 15:12.07 | Smeltn | dear God.. now the auth servers are down |
| 15:13.06 | TheStig | does -> local rld=ReloadUI(); RegisterChatCommand({"/reloadui", "/reset"}, rld) <- work? |
| 15:13.20 | Smeltn | dang you Blizzard.. dont you think people want to play before we go to Church?? And especially today.. we have to pray that God will forgive us for all our actions after Tomorrow night at midnight... lol |
| 15:13.50 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 15:14.01 | jag111 | lol |
| 15:15.11 | jag111 | Anyone here who could help me get started on my first mod? |
| 15:16.11 | Smeltn | I pray that God will be with my family, for which I will not see, all my friends for which if they do not use ventrilo, I will not talk to, and my work, to which I will either call out, or be late for in the next coming weeks/months |
| 15:16.24 | sysrage | any way to get the 'position' option for sRaidFrames working? i want it on the right not the left :\ |
| 15:17.00 | Hobinheim | ooo is there a way for a mod to run a slash command |
| 15:17.27 | krka | yes |
| 15:17.52 | Hobinheim | hmm i dunno if i phrased that correctly |
| 15:17.53 | Hobinheim | but how? |
| 15:18.01 | Cide | jag111: http://www.wowwiki.com/AddOns |
| 15:18.07 | Hobinheim | like not give my addon a slash command but to run the slash commands of other addons |
| 15:18.32 | Cide | might be a good place to start |
| 15:18.39 | jag111 | cide: thx...i checked that out already....lookin for a particular function that i cant seem to find |
| 15:18.41 | Cide | or by checking out blizzard's tutorial |
| 15:18.47 | Cide | jag111: which one? |
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| 15:19.08 | jag111 | How do i open a whisper to whoever i send to the function |
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| 15:20.09 | Kirov | There's no particular function for that |
| 15:20.10 | Cide | SendChatMessage |
| 15:20.18 | Cide | oh, "open" a whisper... |
| 15:20.18 | cladhaire | maybe i should take a nap until the serevrs are up |
| 15:20.25 | jag111 | lol |
| 15:20.28 | Cide | what Kirov said |
| 15:20.40 | jag111 | ah, so not as easy as i thought, heh |
| 15:21.04 | jag111 | Nothing worse than dragging yourself out of bed to no WoW |
| 15:21.08 | Bouvi | hmmm that means that not many people on Stormrage right now with the patch issues. I can kill them all!!! |
| 15:21.31 | Hobinheim | jag111, if you're having trouble with the documentation on wowwiki |
| 15:21.38 | Hobinheim | please level a message on my talk page |
| 15:21.43 | Hobinheim | it should be improved if at all possible |
| 15:21.45 | Kirov | ChatFrame_SendTell |
| 15:21.54 | jag111 | Kirov: that one i tried, to no avail |
| 15:22.05 | Kirov | hmm? |
| 15:22.13 | TheStig | SendChatMessage("blah", "WHISPER") |
| 15:22.24 | jag111 | well i dont want it to actually whisper the person |
| 15:22.33 | jag111 | just open it up so someone can start to type a whisper |
| 15:22.39 | TheStig | ohh |
| 15:22.50 | Kirov | I use ChatFrame_SendTell("name") in one of my own addons, works fine |
| 15:22.51 | TheStig | you want it to pop the chat edit box with whisper open |
| 15:23.00 | jag111 | yea |
| 15:23.20 | jag111 | Kirov: would that function work from just typing it out in wow preceded by /script? |
| 15:23.36 | Kirov | no |
| 15:23.47 | jag111 | well there's my problem lol |
| 15:23.49 | Kirov | Because you're typing it from the ChatBox itself |
| 15:24.22 | jag111 | Basically - what im trying to do is replace some functionality that seemed to go away in 2.0.3... |
| 15:24.50 | jag111 | seems the 'R' key is only replying to people who whisper me, it used to open a whisper to whoever i talked to last, even if i only whispered them |
| 15:25.07 | jag111 | I assume it was a chat mod providing that for me, not sure which one |
| 15:25.17 | Kirov | Whenever you type something in the chat box and press enter it basically does this. |
| 15:25.17 | Kirov | Get text from edit box. |
| 15:25.17 | Kirov | Parse text in edit box. |
| 15:25.17 | Kirov | Do what ever it's supposed to with parsed text. |
| 15:25.17 | Kirov | Hide edit box. |
| 15:25.48 | jag111 | oh ok, so that fcn wouldnt work then from the edit box, since it's already open right? |
| 15:25.53 | Kirov | So, if you do a /script command that modifies the edit box, it's all going to be for not as the script hides itself right after. |
| 15:26.04 | JoshBorke | wow, how large of a patch are they distributing in game? o.O |
| 15:26.06 | jag111 | ah |
| 15:27.08 | jag111 | Is there a wiki page to show functions that will retrun who last whispered you, who you last whispered, etc? |
| 15:27.40 | jag111 | I guess making it tab through all the people who whispered you, as well as those you whispered will be tricky too |
| 15:27.41 | Kirov | jag111 - check your keybindings |
| 15:27.47 | jag111 | did that... |
| 15:27.58 | cladhaire | Josh_Borke: Its a tiny patch |
| 15:28.02 | jag111 | R is bound to "reply" or something of that nature...."re-tell" is a separate command |
| 15:28.05 | cladhaire | but their servers are choking under the load |
| 15:28.08 | jag111 | and a separate binding |
| 15:28.19 | cladhaire | Bet the bulk of their employees won't be enjoying their Monday holiday =) |
| 15:28.26 | jag111 | haha |
| 15:28.32 | jag111 | im sure we wont either :) |
| 15:28.36 | cladhaire | someone ping me when the authentication server comes back up |
| 15:28.44 | cladhaire | ima nap next to my laptop =) |
| 15:28.44 | sysrage | people actually get monday off? |
| 15:28.47 | cladhaire | got tons of work to do |
| 15:28.50 | jag111 | well i'm downloading the patch now |
| 15:28.51 | cladhaire | I have Monday off |
| 15:28.55 | jag111 | almost done, 97% |
| 15:28.56 | Anders2 | (15:26:00) (JoshBorke) wow, how large of a patch are they distributing in game? o.O <- 2.58 mb it seems |
| 15:29.00 | Mikma | cladhaire: metoo :D |
| 15:29.02 | cladhaire | but I get like 15 holidays througout throughout the year |
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| 15:29.08 | Mikma | let's hang out *gigglez* |
| 15:29.09 | Smeltn | I am thinking of taking tuesday off.. cough cough I am gettign sick today |
| 15:29.16 | cladhaire | I'm also taking Tuesday and Wednesday off =) |
| 15:29.28 | jag111 | i was thinking about it too clad |
| 15:29.42 | cladhaire | Ima play for 12 hours on Tuesday, and until 10pm EST Wednesday |
| 15:29.49 | cladhaire | hoping for a few solid levels |
| 15:29.50 | Tain | Careful, some companies have a policy of not paying you for holidays if you take unscheduled days off before or after one. Or something like that. |
| 15:30.09 | jag111 | wait when does the portal open....midnight monday night/tues morn? |
| 15:30.16 | Hobinheim | is there a command to hide the chatwindow? |
| 15:30.16 | cladhaire | Tain: I'm using vacation, since I have three weeks to burn |
| 15:30.23 | cladhaire | before i quit |
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| 15:30.32 | Tain | Use it or lose it! |
| 15:30.37 | cladhaire | true dat! |
| 15:30.46 | Tain | I get mmm what do I get. I think 15 days but it's vacation and sick combined. |
| 15:30.57 | cladhaire | ah, my sick is completely seperate. |
| 15:31.06 | jag111 | same here |
| 15:31.09 | Tain | Yeah this is the first time I've ever had them together. |
| 15:31.14 | jag111 | Gov't jobs ftw :) |
| 15:31.14 | Bouvi | dYeah I got 4 weeks right now wiht vacation and sick |
| 15:31.30 | Smeltn | tomorrow isnt a holiday for us |
| 15:31.59 | Tain | My holidays are usually only the days that the US stock market is closed. |
| 15:31.59 | Kirov | Nvidia has a weird thing where they don't give the week of christmas off, it's forced PTO |
| 15:32.05 | Smeltn | our company got bought by a company from Bowling Green, Kent. where the population is 98% white |
| 15:32.07 | Kirov | (ie: sick days) |
| 15:32.23 | jag111 | you guys all need to work for the government |
| 15:32.27 | jag111 | lol |
| 15:32.43 | Kirov | jag111 - if we did that nothing would ever get done! |
| 15:32.50 | Tain | Which government? There's lots to choose from! |
| 15:32.50 | jag111 | dont i know it! |
| 15:32.51 | cladhaire | lol |
| 15:33.00 | jag111 | i work for NY State :) |
| 15:33.07 | sysrage | i just switched ot oRA2/sRaidFrames.. will i still get all the same warnings for phase changes in fights/etc i got with ctra or do i need something like bigwigs? |
| 15:33.09 | Hobinheim | NY represent! |
| 15:33.10 | cladhaire | oh lord |
| 15:33.12 | Hobinheim | in nyc? |
| 15:33.16 | cladhaire | nothing good every comes from NY state =) |
| 15:33.25 | jag111 | Nah i'm up in albany |
| 15:33.29 | JoshBorke | sysrage: you need bigwigs |
| 15:33.30 | Hobinheim | that's mean, cladhaire |
| 15:33.33 | cladhaire | syracuse |
| 15:33.37 | cladhaire | lol |
| 15:33.37 | Smeltn | I agree cladhaire |
| 15:33.38 | cladhaire | i'm from NY |
| 15:33.39 | Tain | Nothing good ever comes from Albany! |
| 15:33.42 | sysrage | josh: thanks |
| 15:33.45 | jag111 | you bastards! |
| 15:33.45 | Hobinheim | nyc = best thing ever |
| 15:33.47 | cladhaire | nothing good definitely comes from albany |
| 15:33.52 | cladhaire | bastard corrupt politicians =) |
| 15:33.55 | jag111 | haha |
| 15:34.02 | Kirov | My dad just got through with a project with NY. I took them 4 years to order parts for something my father told them was being discontinued 4 years ago. |
| 15:34.08 | jag111 | Screw you! I now boycot perfectraid! |
| 15:34.09 | Smeltn | Blizz give a response yet? |
| 15:34.15 | cladhaire | Kirov: welcome to our world |
| 15:34.23 | cladhaire | we had.. what.. a budget that was 9 months late? |
| 15:34.30 | cladhaire | Smeltn: Response? |
| 15:34.37 | jag111 | You guys would be shocked how slow things went |
| 15:34.44 | Smeltn | like hey.. sorry guys we didnt think this patch would screw up the servers.. and since its 7am on a Sunday no one is here at the office,, so you will have to not play for a day |
| 15:34.47 | jag111 | like, obviously gov't is slow, but good god |
| 15:34.51 | cladhaire | The problem is that I downloaded the patch first.. and broke everything |
| 15:35.01 | cladhaire | jag111: Oh no, I'm fully aware =) |
| 15:35.10 | jag111 | lol |
| 15:35.29 | cladhaire | my tax bill agreed with me as well |
| 15:35.40 | jag111 | lol |
| 15:35.43 | jag111 | believe me i agree |
| 15:36.04 | jag111 | you guys all from NY? lol |
| 15:36.14 | cladhaire | Hobinheim: it doesn't help that upstate NY is the bastard child of NY |
| 15:36.43 | jag111 | I still dont consider myself a true upstater |
| 15:36.52 | Kirov | "upstate NY" is anyone who doesn't live in NY city and wants to make damn sure everyone knows it |
| 15:36.52 | Smeltn | I am in Alabama.. |
| 15:37.00 | Smeltn | BIG difference from NY State |
| 15:37.01 | Smeltn | lol |
| 15:37.02 | cladhaire | well, i'm _literally_ in central new york |
| 15:37.06 | cladhaire | jag111: Absolutely |
| 15:37.13 | cladhaire | Kirov: So true! |
| 15:37.21 | cladhaire | the geographical center of the state =) |
| 15:37.35 | jag111 | around where? |
| 15:37.42 | Kirov | I was born in Syracuse, still have familty in upstate NY |
| 15:37.46 | cladhaire | syracuse i said |
| 15:37.50 | jag111 | oh missed it |
| 15:37.53 | cladhaire | hehe |
| 15:38.01 | jag111 | i was just there for a bachelor party :) |
| 15:38.05 | cladhaire | lol |
| 15:38.20 | Kirov | I didn't even go to NY city until I was 18 |
| 15:38.33 | cladhaire | Kirov: thats most central new yorkers. |
| 15:38.37 | cladhaire | where did you go to HS? |
| 15:38.38 | jag111 | i grew up downstate, rockland |
| 15:38.53 | Tain | Yay changed my Netflix to automatically add HD-DVD versions to my queue when I select a movie (if available.) |
| 15:38.54 | Kirov | cladhaire - I moved to california 5 days before my third birthday. |
| 15:39.06 | cladhaire | aaah born, not grew up =) |
| 15:39.08 | jag111 | although you NYC people prolly consider anything north of the bronx upstate |
| 15:39.16 | Kirov | cladhaire - my memories of ny include a tire swing and squirrels |
| 15:39.22 | cladhaire | jag111: Anything north of orange county |
| 15:39.27 | jag111 | hell, staten islanders prolly consider the bronx upstate haha |
| 15:39.30 | cladhaire | Kirov: We have weird squirrels here =) |
| 15:39.40 | jag111 | yeah i'd agree with anything north of orange county |
| 15:40.17 | Kirov | I really wish they'd make the server status page for wow show when things like this were broken. |
| 15:40.26 | jag111 | yeah i agree |
| 15:40.38 | jag111 | How is blizz's support for authors? is there any? |
| 15:40.52 | Kirov | Yeah |
| 15:40.59 | Kirov | It's called "other authors" |
| 15:41.00 | Kirov | heh |
| 15:41.02 | jag111 | lol |
| 15:41.08 | krka | they notify us of api changes |
| 15:41.11 | krka | sometimes |
| 15:41.13 | jag111 | you'd think they would wanna keep authors somewaht happy |
| 15:41.20 | krka | and they have released some example addons |
| 15:41.26 | Industrial | Mr_Rabies2: ping |
| 15:41.28 | Tain | Nah addon authors are nothing but trouble. |
| 15:41.31 | krka | also they are somewhat active in forums |
| 15:41.34 | jag111 | i mean, the stock ui is a joke |
| 15:41.34 | Kirov | seriously though, the UI forums are the _only_ forums moderated by the actual blizzard employees who work on the UI |
| 15:41.50 | Kirov | No CM |
| 15:42.23 | Kirov | Some people in the ui community have direct access to the lead UI guy at blizzard when needed. |
| 15:42.29 | jag111 | I've been meaning to get into mod authoring but i never really could think of one worthwhile that you punks didnt think of first :) |
| 15:42.38 | jag111 | kirov: oh really? |
| 15:43.10 | Industrial | the point is not to invent something new for me |
| 15:43.22 | Kirov | Yeah, they have something similar to the BatPhone, only it's a SloukenPhone |
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| 15:43.32 | Tain | The point is to steal someone else's idea and remake it in your own image! |
| 15:43.39 | jag111 | lol |
| 15:43.39 | Industrial | I just like to have something that im happy with, and the best way to do that is to do it yourself |
| 15:44.05 | jag111 | Does anyone happen to know why that 'R' key functionality stopped with 2/0/3? |
| 15:44.09 | jag111 | 2.0.3 |
| 15:44.23 | krka | i tried to only do original stuff... that's partly why i did so few things :) |
| 15:44.30 | Kirov | jag111 - the functionality of that key never changed, so an addon you were using did |
| 15:44.34 | zenzelezz | <jag111> you'd think they would wanna keep authors somewaht happy <--- they already did, by allowing us to make mods in the first place. Many MMOs aren't so kind |
| 15:44.36 | jag111 | must have |
| 15:44.44 | jag111 | zenzelezz: true |
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| 15:45.03 | Industrial | most of them allow skins with xml only |
| 15:45.12 | JoshBork1 | anyone have a mirror for the newest patch? |
| 15:45.21 | JoshBork1 | i done fubared mine because my isp dropped me |
| 15:45.24 | Tain | Bah Blizzard just lets you hack away at some UI stuff. Second Life GPL'd the client code entirely! |
| 15:45.25 | Kirov | I'm not even sure where it downloaded the file to |
| 15:45.38 | Kirov | Tain - yeah, I saw that |
| 15:45.39 | Kirov | heh |
| 15:45.49 | Kirov | Tain - That won't back fire or anything |
| 15:45.50 | zenzelezz | I find that too much freedom |
| 15:45.54 | Industrial | i tried second life, it looked crap and mving around was >_o |
| 15:46.09 | Industrial | it started loading objects in range when i bumped into them |
| 15:46.11 | Industrial | :P |
| 15:46.31 | Kirov | Industrial - what do you expect from a game who's content is user created |
| 15:47.01 | Industrial | I expect that people who guy stuff ingame do that cause it looks absolutely fantastic |
| 15:47.05 | Industrial | buy* |
| 15:47.32 | zenzelezz | I remember from my brief voyage in SWG when I bumped into user/guild (?) towns... they all felt very out of place, incomplete, and mismatched with the zones they were in |
| 15:47.34 | Industrial | like crysis2 fantastic |
| 15:47.35 | Industrial | ;P |
| 15:47.49 | Kirov | Industrial - they buy it because it doesn't look as shitty as what they'd get instead |
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| 15:48.02 | Tain | I think Second Life is going to be looked back on as a very important step in online worlds. |
| 15:48.11 | jag111 | Is getting a list of people who i recently whispered/received whispers from not too hard? |
| 15:48.12 | Kirov | aye |
| 15:48.40 | Industrial | jag111: pretty easy. |
| 15:48.55 | jag111 | i assume i get them all into an array, and then use tab to cycle through? |
| 15:49.02 | Kirov | ChatEdit_LastTold and ChatEdit_LastTell |
| 15:49.08 | jag111 | ah |
| 15:49.14 | Kirov | globals, second one is a table |
| 15:50.30 | jag111 | so i guess i'd wanna throw the player's name every time i send or recieve a tell into my list, and remove previous entries |
| 15:50.36 | jag111 | of that player |
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| 15:50.45 | jag111 | this is a little more complicated than i thoght hehe |
| 15:51.01 | Kirov | There's already a ton of functions already designed to do that |
| 15:51.10 | jag111 | oh? |
| 15:51.10 | Kirov | Since, well, that's what the edit box does |
| 15:51.43 | jag111 | but, tab only cycles people who have written to you, right? |
| 15:51.51 | Kirov | yes |
| 15:51.59 | Kirov | http://wdn.wowinterface.com/code/2016180/FrameXML/ChatFrame.lua |
| 15:53.37 | Industrial | I wonder how hard it is to make my own chat :P |
| 15:54.02 | JoshBork1 | Industrial: not very :) look at dreamchat :) |
| 15:54.07 | Industrial | right |
| 15:54.12 | jag111 | what's dreamchat do? |
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| 15:56.14 | Lasivian | hrrm, anyone else unable t login? |
| 15:56.22 | jag111 | yup |
| 15:56.23 | cladhaire | yes |
| 15:56.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Is anyone else randomly getting "can't validate game version"? |
| 15:56.30 | cladhaire | ScytheBlade1: no |
| 15:56.32 | ScytheBlade1 | :/ |
| 15:56.38 | Lasivian | seems if you update to 2.0.5 you can't login |
| 15:56.43 | ScytheBlade1 | That's depressing as crap |
| 15:56.49 | nevcairiel | but you cannot login without updating |
| 15:56.51 | ScytheBlade1 | And if you're on 2.0.4, it gives you invalid game version |
| 15:56.52 | JoshBork1 | i went to the website |
| 15:57.01 | JoshBork1 | oh, it's too busy |
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| 15:57.12 | sysrage | josh: if i have vendetta do i still need bigwigs? |
| 15:57.17 | Lasivian | yeah, but my GF has not updated and is still in-game with 2.0.4 |
| 15:57.21 | Bouvi | If you were already logged in your still in too. I am still in-game |
| 15:57.29 | cladhaire | Lasivian: If you dont log off, you're fine. |
| 15:57.33 | kaiden | 2.0.5 is ebul! |
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| 15:57.39 | cladhaire | screw you jerkheads |
| 15:57.46 | JoshBork1 | wow, this really is fubared |
| 15:57.46 | cladhaire | i just want to finishing perfectraid |
| 15:57.57 | jag111 | clad - u almost done? |
| 15:58.04 | Kirov | I just wanted to get one last thing done with my addon before going to bed |
| 15:58.06 | cladhaire | the frame editor gui is almost done |
| 15:58.08 | cladhaire | just need to tie it in |
| 15:58.08 | Bouvi | If you lived close I would let you come over and use my account :( |
| 15:58.11 | Kirov | that was 2 hours ago |
| 15:58.12 | cladhaire | then do the layout editor |
| 15:58.15 | jag111 | nice clad |
| 15:58.31 | kaiden | i just wanted to get character #19 to 60 before TBC ruins my record :( |
| 15:58.45 | cladhaire | .... |
| 15:58.52 | cladhaire | i have 4. |
| 15:58.54 | jag111 | lol - the support page on wow's site says this: |
| 15:58.57 | cladhaire | you have 19? |
| 15:58.57 | jag111 | "The page cannot be displayed" |
| 15:59.01 | Industrial | < ScytheBlade1> Is anyone else randomly getting "can't validate game version"? |
| 15:59.05 | ScytheBlade1 | wow @ the tech support forums |
| 15:59.08 | Industrial | enGB enUS client problem |
| 15:59.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Those are an impressive MESS |
| 15:59.11 | Industrial | i think |
| 15:59.11 | kaiden | cladhaire, the wonders of dual boxing :p |
| 15:59.17 | kaiden | cladhaire, and quad boxing |
| 15:59.17 | cladhaire | eew |
| 15:59.20 | cladhaire | lol |
| 15:59.39 | cladhaire | i hate min/maxers =) |
| 15:59.46 | kaiden | haha |
| 16:00.04 | ScytheBlade1 | <-- min/maxer 4 life |
| 16:00.12 | Industrial | wtf is min/maxing ? |
| 16:00.15 | kaiden | at least you guys can get in to do the 2.0.5 patch, i keep getting told UNABLE TO VERIFY GAME VERSION GO AWAY |
| 16:00.31 | ScytheBlade1 | min/maxing is basically doing all the math everywhere on the game over and over |
| 16:00.39 | Kirov | Me thinks that 2.0.5 was a bad patch and they pulled it, so now people who got it are fucked, and those who didn't are waiting until they put up a new version |
| 16:00.42 | ScytheBlade1 | You'll know how high you can hit, crit, how often, against what mobs, etc. |
| 16:01.04 | Industrial | oh id like to but its no use cause I dont have a 60 ;x |
| 16:01.05 | kaiden | Industrial, it's knowing everything you can know |
| 16:01.10 | kaiden | every quest, every zone, every mob |
| 16:01.19 | kaiden | what they drop, exactly how long it takes to get to 60 |
| 16:01.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Basically, you have no life :) |
| 16:01.28 | kaiden | yeah pretty much |
| 16:01.29 | Industrial | check |
| 16:01.30 | kaiden | :p |
| 16:01.34 | ScytheBlade1 | hey |
| 16:01.37 | ScytheBlade1 | <ScytheBlade1> <-- min/maxer 4 life |
| 16:01.39 | TheStig | kaiden: longshot question, did you use to frequent #zsnes EFNet? |
| 16:01.43 | kaiden | << proud ot have no life |
| 16:01.48 | kaiden | stigmata? |
| 16:01.54 | TheStig | no |
| 16:01.56 | Bouvi | Been playing 2 years and working on my 2nd 60. (Got it to 55) |
| 16:01.58 | TheStig | St-Knight lol |
| 16:02.02 | Bouvi | Well since open beta |
| 16:02.03 | kaiden | hey man |
| 16:02.06 | kaiden | and yes it's me |
| 16:02.07 | TheStig | whats up |
| 16:02.16 | TheStig | i haven't been to #zsnes in years lol |
| 16:02.19 | kaiden | nada, beating up my laptop because it's freaking and not patching |
| 16:02.20 | cladhaire | ScytheBlade1: I consider someone who pushes the boundries to that extreme of a level (19 level 60 chars) a min/max too =) |
| 16:02.25 | TheStig | lol |
| 16:02.27 | kaiden | TheStig, nor have I, not since MrGrim came back |
| 16:02.37 | ScytheBlade1 | cladhaire, that wouldn't be you, would it? |
| 16:02.37 | TheStig | haha |
| 16:02.41 | Industrial | give me one |
| 16:02.43 | Industrial | :( |
| 16:02.49 | cladhaire | nah, kaiden |
| 16:02.53 | Industrial | ill make you a cookie |
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| 16:02.55 | Industrial | and not eat it |
| 16:03.02 | kaiden | i have every class to 60 EXCEPT hunter.. imagine that |
| 16:03.08 | TheStig | holy shit! |
| 16:03.09 | kaiden | the easiest class to level to 60 i dont have :P |
| 16:03.11 | TheStig | what server are you on? |
| 16:03.15 | ScytheBlade1 | I only have ONE class to 60... my mage |
| 16:03.18 | kaiden | i stopped at level 52 on him and said bleh.. this is boring |
| 16:03.22 | Industrial | any eu server :P |
| 16:03.23 | Kirov | except a hunter? That's my only 60 |
| 16:03.25 | Industrial | dont care |
| 16:03.26 | Industrial | :D |
| 16:03.34 | TheStig | kaiden: what server you on? |
| 16:03.37 | kaiden | i have 9 lvl 60 rogues, 4 lvl 60 warriors then the rest of the classes at least once |
| 16:03.43 | ScytheBlade1 | To be perfectly honest, I've seen a _lot_ of really stupid people |
| 16:03.44 | kaiden | TheStig, Khaz Modan |
| 16:03.51 | ScytheBlade1 | But I've always noticed that the stupidest play hunters |
| 16:03.57 | TheStig | kaiden: alliance or horde? |
| 16:04.09 | kaiden | alliance my hordies are on pvp Black Dragonflight |
| 16:04.16 | Kirov | anywas, I think I'm going to hit the sac, the suns up |
| 16:04.19 | Kirov | later all |
| 16:04.20 | TheStig | i'm alliance on black dragonflight... |
| 16:04.31 | TheStig | but i'm alliance on Demon Soul too |
| 16:05.04 | kaiden | ScytheBlade1, it becomes trivial once you've memorized where to go and at exactly what level |
| 16:05.14 | kaiden | and how many mobs to kill to get what you need in xp to leave that place |
| 16:05.15 | kaiden | :( |
| 16:05.19 | ScytheBlade1 | kaiden, I can only imagine... |
| 16:05.22 | cladhaire | 30-40 |
| 16:05.27 | cladhaire | always my problem |
| 16:05.35 | kaiden | 30-40 is shimmering flatts, desolace and stv |
| 16:05.49 | ScytheBlade1 | kaiden, I have a friend who has a 60 priest/warrior, who after the patch, specced his 34 hunter BM and hit 60 in a matter of days |
| 16:05.57 | kaiden | and if you have multiple accounts like i do i always use my 60 to run my lowbie through sm for massive xp and alot of money |
| 16:06.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Mostly because he's done it twice before |
| 16:06.19 | TheStig | kaiden: ever encountered the alliance chars: Sinne, Perditionne, Adrammelech on Black Dragonflight? |
| 16:06.28 | cladhaire | i've NEVER done shimmering flats |
| 16:06.30 | cladhaire | hehe |
| 16:06.39 | TheStig | shimmering flats and desolace are the shit |
| 16:06.54 | kaiden | TheStig, nope i transferred my hordies there from Black Dragonflight and quit as i got ganked the instant i logged in |
| 16:07.00 | kaiden | lol |
| 16:07.02 | TheStig | lol |
| 16:07.09 | TheStig | every ally on black dragonflight is T2/T3 lol |
| 16:07.18 | TheStig | well except mine |
| 16:07.20 | kaiden | i was standing in my own city and had not been logged in for more than 10 seconds and i got 1 shotted by a rogue |
| 16:07.34 | TheStig | its fun lol |
| 16:07.41 | ScytheBlade1 | lol @ kaiden |
| 16:07.44 | ScytheBlade1 | That's pretty funny |
| 16:07.51 | TheStig | on demon soul |
| 16:07.51 | ScytheBlade1 | gank --> vanish? |
| 16:07.58 | TheStig | the server that i play most now |
| 16:08.07 | kaiden | yeah i thought so too for about 10 more seconds and then i got bored when i looked at everyones gear like stig said |
| 16:08.09 | TheStig | we had 1371 alliance on last night at peak times |
| 16:08.13 | kaiden | eveyr single ally is in t2 or t3 |
| 16:08.14 | TheStig | when the server recorded "High" population |
| 16:08.20 | TheStig | 212 60s |
| 16:08.29 | TheStig | which means there was at least 7000 horde on |
| 16:08.36 | kaiden | I was with Fires of Heaven |
| 16:08.40 | ScytheBlade1 | hehe, you should seem doomhammer... we have horde and alliance guilds with Kel'Thuzad on farm |
| 16:08.42 | kaiden | apping when they transferred over there so i followed them |
| 16:08.43 | ScytheBlade1 | T2 is oldschool already |
| 16:08.57 | TheStig | doomhammer is in the nightfall battle group right? |
| 16:09.02 | kaiden | meh, i'm quitting all my alts monday night |
| 16:09.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah |
| 16:09.09 | kaiden | i've been preparing a draenei shaman for about 6 months now |
| 16:09.11 | TheStig | i'm in the nightfall battlegroup |
| 16:09.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Nightfall ftw |
| 16:09.25 | kaiden | he hasn't even been created yet and he already has over 6,000 gold in gear :P |
| 16:09.40 | TheStig | jeeze |
| 16:09.49 | ScytheBlade1 | That's unhealthy |
| 16:09.50 | sysrage | must be nice to have absolutely not life |
| 16:09.55 | sysrage | *no |
| 16:10.15 | Thrae | Heh, forums are in low-res mode. |
| 16:10.23 | kaiden | sysrage, i work 46-56 hours a week, and i live in a costly state :) it's not called having no life |
| 16:10.25 | zenzelezz | the one thing I always find funny is how people claim that playing a game a lot is equal to no life |
| 16:10.28 | kaiden | it's called intelligent spending |
| 16:11.03 | TheStig | i have 2 druids on DS a 60 balance druid with a HWL mageblade and 5/6 M/FM gear (missing helmet, i have enough honor to buy it at 4:30am tomorrow), and a 56 feral that's going to be TBC geared exclusively since i'm not wasting time with farming honor on that |
| 16:11.03 | kaiden | i could go out with friends every night and spend 3000-4000 dollars a month or i could spend 100 dollars a month on wow accounts and spend my free time playing those |
| 16:11.13 | sysrage | how can you work over 40 hours a week and have 19 60's and that much gold? |
| 16:11.14 | kaiden | pretty sure whomever you ask would say it's probably wiser in the long term to do the later |
| 16:11.26 | ScytheBlade1 | He's a farmerlawl |
| 16:11.31 | kaiden | sysrage, because i can get to 60 in the same amount of time it takes you to get to 30 |
| 16:11.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Burn the farmer! Farmer! |
| 16:11.54 | kaiden | when you have 4 accounts and multiple priests / druids to buff you, it's not hard to haul ass through quests / grind |
| 16:12.09 | sysrage | i see |
| 16:12.12 | kaiden | and mind you if you were smart you would have read what i said |
| 16:12.21 | kaiden | i said i have been preparing for my shaman for 6 months |
| 16:12.31 | kaiden | i didn't say i had 6,000 gold, i said i had 6,000 gold worth of gear |
| 16:12.32 | TheStig | kaiden: I can believe that, because i know a guy personally who went from 1-60 in 9 days and had less playtime than me and i'm pretty casual unless i hit wow hard to get some pvp item or something for a few days |
| 16:13.03 | kaiden | i can hit 60 on alliance in 5days-20 some odd hours played time |
| 16:13.08 | kaiden | and 60 on horde side in 1 day less |
| 16:13.24 | cladhaire | kaiden: Level a belfadin for me? =) |
| 16:13.37 | TheStig | theres also 2 "pay" guides floating around on torrent sites or something supposedly with all of the quests and coords linked to thotbott so that even a kindergartener could get to 60 in under 2 weeks lol |
| 16:13.48 | kaiden | *shudder* i'll never level anothre paladin in my life |
| 16:13.51 | kaiden | EVER! |
| 16:13.57 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 16:14.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes, we have a winner |
| 16:14.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Paladins ftl |
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| 16:14.10 | cladhaire | even with the changes? |
| 16:14.12 | cladhaire | my guild needs one |
| 16:14.17 | cladhaire | and i love healers =) |
| 16:14.22 | TheStig | shaman ftw |
| 16:15.22 | kaiden | dude my paladin got so horrible when i leveled him that when he hit 52 i said screw this and jus tdual boxed him with my 60 rogue |
| 16:15.22 | Thrae | My Mom keeps saying she has trouble leveling her Mage, but can level my little brother's Paladin fine |
| 16:15.23 | cladhaire | we already have shaman, we're horde. |
| 16:15.23 | kaiden | and did all his quests for hm |
| 16:15.23 | kaiden | LOL |
| 16:15.23 | ScytheBlade1 | That's because mages have "downtime" which involves sitting for 30 seconds |
| 16:15.23 | ScytheBlade1 | It sounds stupid, but it's enough to seriously throw people off of the class as a whole |
| 16:15.23 | cladhaire | yep |
| 16:15.24 | cladhaire | i went rogue, priest, druid |
| 16:15.26 | ScytheBlade1 | My ONLY 60 is a mage |
| 16:15.27 | cladhaire | all three has little to no downtime |
| 16:15.29 | TheStig | "downtime" on a PvP server = you lose |
| 16:15.32 | cladhaire | my mage is 33.. |
| 16:15.36 | ScytheBlade1 | I then have a friend who leveled 4 people to 60 in about 3 months |
| 16:15.40 | cladhaire | my hunter is 55.. i really should finish him |
| 16:15.40 | ScytheBlade1 | And can't get a mage past 14.. |
| 16:15.54 | SDammy | anyone havin trouble with wow right now? |
| 16:15.54 | Bouvi | I have never seen Iron Forge so dead |
| 16:16.04 | Thrae | cladhaire: Interesting sucession...you ended up with the class that's a Rogue + Priest. It'd be funnier if you added Warrior in that mix :D |
| 16:16.05 | SDammy | cant login after update |
| 16:16.18 | cladhaire | Thrae: I did that on purpose |
| 16:16.18 | Bouvi | Anyone who was not logged in already before they released the patch cannot log in |
| 16:16.22 | cladhaire | and i want to roll a warrior eventually |
| 16:16.27 | TheStig | a while back i was leveling my 2nd druid in lost rigger cove i guess i was 42 or 43 or something and there was this 46 mage AoE farming/XP'ing there |
| 16:16.32 | jag111 | my first was a warrior, then a priest |
| 16:16.35 | SDammy | Bouvi: wow that sucks |
| 16:16.36 | jag111 | thats where i stopped :) |
| 16:16.39 | TheStig | i needed to kill this named mob for a quest for the wanted poster, so i let him kill everything |
| 16:16.43 | TheStig | then i owned his ass |
| 16:16.45 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 16:16.46 | TheStig | and killed my mob |
| 16:16.57 | SDammy | what was the patch? |
| 16:17.00 | cladhaire | Thrae: I rolled rogue because I played one in beta, cause my boyfriend wanted to go druid.. but then quit his druid at level 32.. so I got pissed and rolled a priest so I could heal, adn then rolled the druid since I wanted one from the beginning. |
| 16:17.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Is it just me, or do PvP servers attract more "stupid" than any other type of servers? |
| 16:17.37 | jag111 | i luv pvp pv servor and im nott stoopid |
| 16:17.44 | Garthnait | I have a question: in my lua are the lines http://wowi.pastey.net/5087 |
| 16:17.54 | ScytheBlade1 | jag111, you scare me |
| 16:18.02 | jag111 | heheh |
| 16:18.05 | TheStig | i can't play anything but pvp servers |
| 16:18.06 | cladhaire | No Blizzard.. YOU ARE DISCONNECTED FROM THE SERVER, NOT ME! |
| 16:18.07 | Garthnait | how do i say the addon that it do nothing instead of "msg = GL_MSG_DEFAULT" |
| 16:18.11 | TheStig | pve servers bore me too much |
| 16:18.18 | ScytheBlade1 | On the topic of paladins sucking muchly, http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=65458902&sid=1 |
| 16:18.27 | ScytheBlade1 | That's my realm forum... and a bloody awesome thread |
| 16:18.33 | SDammy | the reseting servers? |
| 16:18.38 | SDammy | they rather heh |
| 16:18.45 | jag111 | hey, are they giving our chareacters full rested for BC? |
| 16:18.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Probably not |
| 16:18.57 | TheStig | BTW every rogue gets cloak of shadows at lvl 66 and its on a 1 minute timer now since its trainable |
| 16:19.00 | TheStig | everyone be very afraid |
| 16:19.02 | cladhaire | jag111: no |
| 16:19.08 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm not worried about rogues still |
| 16:19.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Unless you spec subelty and blow every single cooldown to get at me, I'll win ;P |
| 16:19.25 | Bouvi | Servers have not been reset I have been playing all morning and still on |
| 16:19.26 | kaiden | TheStig, the problem is.. rogues are really not fun anymore |
| 16:19.37 | TheStig | hehe |
| 16:19.53 | cladhaire | i like my rogue still |
| 16:19.57 | cladhaire | like my druid more =) |
| 16:20.05 | kaiden | dont get me wrong i still love rogues but like clad is saying |
| 16:20.11 | kaiden | druids do a better job at dps, and tanking now |
| 16:20.13 | kaiden | so what's the point |
| 16:20.28 | TheStig | kaiden: on my server theres at least 2 stealthed rogues anywhere you go waiting to stunlock you and proceed to offer you a little dirt nap |
| 16:20.51 | TheStig | yea i'm a druid |
| 16:20.53 | kaiden | that's because you play on a pvp server |
| 16:21.10 | TheStig | at lvl 66 faerie fire feral means nothing to a rogue anymore |
| 16:21.10 | kaiden | and there most rogues are obviously going to spec for pvp once they are 60 |
| 16:21.15 | TheStig | since cloak of shadows kills it |
| 16:21.18 | zenzelezz | I've come to realize that most classes can be fun to play... but I always return to my warrior |
| 16:21.40 | Garthnait | I have a question: In my .lua are the lines "http://wowi.pastey.net/5087". How do i give the AddOn the command to do nothing in line 19 instead of "msg = GL_MSG_DEFAULT"??? |
| 16:21.44 | kaiden | whereas on my server i have a 60 rogue in full tier 2 (my guild never bothered with naxx :() and i'm stuck spec'ing for pve |
| 16:21.49 | kaiden | so i dont ge tto have the same fun |
| 16:21.49 | TheStig | in fact roots, faerie fire feral, and all of my dots mean nothing to a rogue at 66 :/ |
| 16:21.57 | cladhaire | I just wish my priest was hordeside. |
| 16:22.01 | TheStig | although i will have around 14000 armor and 10000 hp so it will probably be ok |
| 16:22.06 | kaiden | TheStig, it's just like every other classes get out of jail free card |
| 16:22.12 | kaiden | warlocks get fear and death coil |
| 16:22.17 | cladhaire | 5/8 Tier 1, 3/8 Tier 2, epics all around and priests are much better at healing than druids. |
| 16:22.20 | kaiden | priests get ae fear on a short timer and bubble |
| 16:22.25 | kaiden | paladins get bubble hearth :P |
| 16:22.45 | TheStig | lol |
| 16:22.58 | sysrage | mages get jack |
| 16:23.01 | cladhaire | kaiden: Where's a druid's get out of jail free card? =) |
| 16:23.04 | TheStig | mages get blink out of stealth |
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| 16:23.11 | TheStig | cladhaire: insignia of the alliance |
| 16:23.15 | TheStig | travel form with pvp gear |
| 16:23.16 | cladhaire | ha! |
| 16:23.16 | TheStig | ftw |
| 16:23.17 | cladhaire | not quite. |
| 16:23.21 | kaiden | cladhaire, shapeshift shapeshift shapeshift |
| 16:23.21 | cladhaire | have you ever fought a paladin? |
| 16:23.29 | TheStig | course i have |
| 16:23.32 | kaiden | i mean.. what can you do to stop a determined druid |
| 16:23.35 | kaiden | you can't stop them |
| 16:23.43 | TheStig | for a druid |
| 16:23.46 | TheStig | you jump in the WATER |
| 16:23.56 | kaiden | then right when you think you've beat one ... feral healing for the win.. or shapeshift natures swiftness full heal |
| 16:24.06 | TheStig | if there is no water, you spam travel form if htey're throwing traps etc. on you |
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| 16:24.37 | cladhaire | kaiden: You obviously haven't played against Judgement of Justice |
| 16:24.42 | TheStig | and if a rogue is stunlocking you wait for the stun he's counting on most to hold you in place to insignia of the alliance |
| 16:24.53 | kaiden | nah i haven't pvp'd any with my hordies |
| 16:24.54 | cladhaire | Paladins are the problem for druids now.. I laugh at rogues |
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| 16:25.09 | cladhaire | but Paladins being able to nuke for 2k. and stop anyone but priests from running, sucks =) |
| 16:25.11 | kaiden | every class has to have at least 1 nemesis |
| 16:25.15 | cladhaire | yeah i know |
| 16:25.19 | cladhaire | just makes me hate paladins more. |
| 16:25.19 | kaiden | everyones afraid of warlocks ;P |
| 16:25.23 | TheStig | i don't worry about paladins right now because i'm alliance druid |
| 16:25.40 | TheStig | i will be 70 before you have any paladins anywhere near outlands |
| 16:25.43 | cladhaire | warlocks don't bother me so much |
| 16:25.48 | cladhaire | i mean it sucks to lose if they get the drop on you |
| 16:25.57 | cladhaire | and that i have to rely on my insignia, or i'm dead |
| 16:25.58 | kaiden | Industrial, there's a class for you if you hav a 60 priest to level with you ;P warlock |
| 16:26.07 | kaiden | I leveled my warlock to 60 in 1 week real world time |
| 16:26.14 | kaiden | they are hella overpowered |
| 16:26.35 | cladhaire | yeah i'm looking forward to leveling mine. |
| 16:26.38 | TheStig | i walk around zones perma prowling just because of the fear of a stray warlock |
| 16:26.51 | kaiden | if you have a priest to level with you, you have infinite mana, and can pull unlimited mobs at once |
| 16:26.55 | kaiden | just continuously dot |
| 16:26.57 | Tain | Warlocks are great to level, you just don't need them for much after that. :) 2 Warlocks on a raid at most. |
| 16:26.58 | zenzelezz | noob (yes-I-was-not-in-beta) question; will draenei and blood elves have to go to Kalimdor/Eastern Kingdoms to level up, or are there zones for all levels in Outland? |
| 16:27.14 | kaiden | zenzelezz, they can level to 20 in their home states |
| 16:27.20 | kaiden | then they have ot head to the same zones as everyone else |
| 16:27.26 | zenzelezz | I see, cheers |
| 16:27.29 | ScytheBlade1 | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert |
| 16:27.29 | TheStig | zenzelezz: they do not start in outland |
| 16:27.30 | ScytheBlade1 | O RLY |
| 16:27.33 | kaiden | actually i think you can get to like 22 in your home location |
| 16:27.35 | Tain | And if you do want to raid as a warlock... boooooring. |
| 16:27.50 | TheStig | zenzelezz: dranei starts west of darnassus on an island and blood elves start in Quel'Thalas north of plaguelands |
| 16:28.24 | kaiden | draenei lands are an eye sore |
| 16:28.30 | kaiden | but blood elf lands rock, they are gorgeously don |
| 16:28.31 | kaiden | e |
| 16:28.32 | TheStig | ? |
| 16:28.39 | zenzelezz | well, Durotar hurt my eyes too |
| 16:28.44 | zenzelezz | too bright |
| 16:28.51 | kaiden | zenzelezz, imagine durotar with a red tint on EVERYTHING! |
| 16:28.52 | kaiden | :p |
| 16:28.53 | Bouvi | I liked the looks of Dranei areas |
| 16:28.57 | zenzelezz | O_O |
| 16:29.05 | kaiden | draenei lands == ashenvale with red on everything |
| 16:29.14 | TheStig | yuck |
| 16:29.28 | kaiden | even the water is red hehe |
| 16:29.48 | zenzelezz | good thing I wasn't planning a reroll then |
| 16:29.49 | TheStig | i heard theres a hologram machine in exodar that allows you to pick races etc. and it will print out their allegiance, their modus operandi, etc. |
| 16:29.51 | cladhaire | yeah it was kinda odd |
| 16:30.18 | kaiden | TheStig, there is an entire room of holograms but i didn't see any controls for it |
| 16:30.25 | TheStig | ohh |
| 16:30.37 | kremonte | since when are there patches at 8am o_o |
| 16:30.46 | kremonte | 2nd patch this week? D: |
| 16:30.48 | TheStig | since there is an expansion tomorrow night :P |
| 16:30.50 | kaiden | i beta tested up to level 55 on a draenei shaman before 2.0.0 released to live servers |
| 16:30.53 | kaiden | so i may have missed it |
| 16:31.00 | zenzelezz | kremonte: well, they're probably trying ot get everything out of the way for the release |
| 16:31.15 | cladhaire | tomorrow is a holiday |
| 16:31.18 | cladhaire | they already said that =) |
| 16:31.21 | kaiden | sooo i hear blizzard has already been developing another expansion pack |
| 16:31.29 | TheStig | wtf |
| 16:31.30 | cladhaire | kaiden: They want to be able to release it a year after this one |
| 16:31.30 | kaiden | and that they will be releasing it also this year or january of next year |
| 16:31.31 | kremonte | wow won't let me use my old itemcache |
| 16:31.32 | kremonte | wtf |
| 16:31.32 | cladhaire | so that makes sense. |
| 16:31.39 | kremonte | i had 4MB of item data %*#$&^ |
| 16:32.44 | Cide | it's purged every patch |
| 16:32.56 | Cide | its internal version is out of date |
| 16:32.56 | kremonte | Cide: i have it backed up, it gets flushed every time i log in though |
| 16:33.00 | kremonte | ohh |
| 16:33.02 | kremonte | gah! |
| 16:33.14 | kremonte | and now it's impossible to log in >< |
| 16:33.16 | clad|dota | anyone up for dota on ES east? |
| 16:33.26 | clad|dota | since the servers are down? |
| 16:33.27 | kremonte | do you need orig wc3 to play dota? :< |
| 16:33.33 | Cide | yep |
| 16:33.34 | clad|dota | tft |
| 16:33.37 | kremonte | boo |
| 16:33.38 | Cide | and that |
| 16:33.38 | clad|dota | so yes |
| 16:33.42 | kremonte | i have orig wc3 but no TFT >< |
| 16:33.46 | clad|dota | =( |
| 16:33.52 | clad|dota | well we can find a wc3 map |
| 16:33.53 | clad|dota | i'm just bored |
| 16:33.55 | kremonte | everyone's always playing dota... i hate you all |
| 16:33.57 | clad|dota | and would rather not play with idiots =) |
| 16:34.03 | kremonte | nah, wc3 cd is somewhere in my closet |
| 16:34.05 | kaiden | clad|dota, do you have plans to add more servers and put wowace.com into a load balanced configuration? |
| 16:34.06 | Cide | if you're swedish you gotta play dota |
| 16:34.08 | kremonte | under bundles of old clothes |
| 16:34.13 | kaiden | if so 1and1.com is selling bandwidth super cheap right now |
| 16:34.41 | clad|dota | kaiden: Kaelten's handling the bulk of that now, but he bought the new server |
| 16:34.44 | clad|dota | the issue isn't the hardware |
| 16:34.45 | ScytheBlade1 | PMG |
| 16:34.47 | ScytheBlade1 | WE SHOULD ALL WAR3 |
| 16:34.48 | clad|dota | its the way its being used |
| 16:34.56 | kaiden | clad|dota, ah |
| 16:35.06 | kaiden | i figured as popular as addons were the server was just seriously slammed |
| 16:35.11 | clad|dota | the hardware can handle it just fine.. but not everything at once |
| 16:35.19 | clad|dota | yeah, he bought a new server, and is workign to rework the way thing are done. |
| 16:35.20 | kaiden | as last night it was super speedy and today i can't download even an addon list via wowaceupdater |
| 16:35.30 | kaiden | cool |
| 16:35.30 | clad|dota | kaiden: He's looking to mirror the files share |
| 16:35.37 | kaiden | well let me know if i can help |
| 16:35.40 | clad|dota | kaiden: I'll be providing one mirror at leasy |
| 16:35.45 | kremonte | i feel stupid asking this, but lua starts table keys at 1... right? :< |
| 16:35.48 | kaiden | i have 20gb of storage and 1000gb of bandwidth at 1and1 |
| 16:35.53 | kaiden | that i dont use |
| 16:35.54 | ScytheBlade1 | kremonte, usually |
| 16:35.54 | Cide | yes kremonte :P |
| 16:36.00 | kremonte | by default. thanks |
| 16:36.04 | clad|dota | last call for dota? |
| 16:36.06 | kremonte | man i haven't slept in way too long... |
| 16:36.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Ohh ohh me |
| 16:36.11 | ScytheBlade1 | What server? |
| 16:36.13 | Cide | clad|dota: I wish.. I don't have time =( |
| 16:36.22 | clad|dota | ScytheBlade1: us east |
| 16:36.28 | kremonte | gotta write a script to cache every item in atlasloot so i can have reliable GetItemInfo calls... gah |
| 16:36.40 | ScytheBlade1 | clad|dota, be right there |
| 16:36.41 | clad|dota | oh damn.. hrm.. i shoudl check if i can host. |
| 16:37.06 | Cide | kremonte: get a hex editor and change the id |
| 16:37.37 | kremonte | Cide: is the id in the header? |
| 16:37.43 | ScytheBlade1 | clad|dota, channel? |
| 16:37.59 | Cide | it's like fourth byte |
| 16:38.17 | kremonte | same as toc number or is it arbitrary :x |
| 16:38.21 | Cide | arbitrary |
| 16:38.25 | kremonte | (loading up my hex editor now, i'll find out soon enough) |
| 16:38.25 | kremonte | k |
| 16:38.46 | Orclev | I have discovered a new found hatred of Lua |
| 16:39.09 | Cide | you should have "BDIW" first, followed by the version and then the language (reversed.. so "SUne") |
| 16:39.21 | kremonte | yea |
| 16:39.27 | kremonte | updated it.. lets hope its not flushed |
| 16:39.45 | ScytheBlade1 | clad|dota, jjoining... |
| 16:39.51 | ScytheBlade1 | clad|dota, failing.. |
| 16:39.55 | kremonte | yay cide, i love you |
| 16:39.59 | Cide | :) |
| 16:40.09 | Cide | not sure how I feel about that, to quote justin timberlake |
| 16:40.22 | kremonte | s/i love you/i love you... in a very non-gay way/ |
| 16:40.26 | Cide | haha |
| 16:40.32 | kremonte | ^_^ |
| 16:40.43 | Thrae | Also known as "platonic" |
| 16:40.51 | kremonte | Thrae: STOP TALKING ABOUT PLUTO |
| 16:41.07 | Orclev | should toss in a global modifier on that regex just to be safe |
| 16:41.08 | kaiden | Cide, purl wants to mount yu |
| 16:41.12 | kaiden | erm you |
| 16:41.32 | Thrae | Was just doing FYI, "non-gay" is funnier ;) |
| 16:41.38 | kremonte | lol :p |
| 16:42.04 | kremonte | any ETA on servers or should i go rest my eyes for a good 8 hours? :< |
| 16:42.09 | ScytheBlade1 | kremonte, http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert |
| 16:42.11 | Orclev | hmm, is that the purl bot I'm thinking it is, or just someone who grabbed that nick? |
| 16:42.23 | Thrae | ~purl |
| 16:42.26 | purl | methinks purl is the embodiment of EVIL! |
| 16:42.32 | Orclev | ah, it is |
| 16:42.39 | kremonte | i didn't even know there was a public html version of that ScytheBlade1, haha |
| 16:42.53 | ScytheBlade1 | kremonte, the launcher has to pull it from *somewhere* |
| 16:43.03 | kremonte | ScytheBlade1: super secret stuffs!!#@# |
| 16:43.10 | ScytheBlade1 | kremonte, ethereal is awesome ;) |
| 16:43.20 | ScytheBlade1 | packet sniffing ftw |
| 16:43.24 | Orclev | wonder what mods are loaded, I used to play with the one in #perl all the time |
| 16:43.28 | kremonte | i can never find what i'm looking for in ethereal |
| 16:43.28 | Orclev | ~jerkit |
| 16:43.35 | kaiden | *shudder* NO FLOW MONITORING! |
| 16:43.37 | Orclev | ~perl jerkit |
| 16:43.39 | purl | ACTION forces ^Migs^ to use perl |
| 16:43.40 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 16:43.45 | Orclev | ah, there we go |
| 16:43.50 | kaiden | i've had craptastic internet at my house for the past 3 weeks and i was getting frustrated |
| 16:43.59 | kaiden | so i'm checking out my router config and i see i had left flow controls turned on |
| 16:43.59 | kaiden | lol |
| 16:44.07 | kremonte | but now the MPQs are secure :-( |
| 16:44.12 | kremonte | well, files inside them |
| 16:44.15 | kaiden | so the routers memory was maxed, cpu was maxed, and i had 35gb in log files on my pc |
| 16:44.23 | Orclev | I don't think wow needs any more breaking, it's already quite broken at the moment |
| 16:45.10 | kremonte | well i can dualwield hungering colds wearing a cloak from saph, using nerubian slavemaker, with 3pc bonescythe... but i can't make my troll into a draenei |
| 16:45.47 | Orclev | yeah, how is it horde gets stuck with new elves, and the alliance gets guys that look like demons |
| 16:46.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Orclev, enjoy all of the eight year olds! |
| 16:46.06 | kremonte | because horde needs to be a little more gay and alliance needs to be a little more manly |
| 16:46.20 | Thrae | "Yargh I am a giant lizard-guy! Now I shall sneak around with my head tail flapping in the breeze..." |
| 16:46.21 | Orclev | bah, horde dosn't need to be more gay |
| 16:47.13 | Orclev | oh, ScytheBlade1, not sure how you meant that, but I play horde |
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| 16:47.14 | Thrae | Orclev: Lots of people I know rolled Alliance because "they don't all look like monsters" |
| 16:47.40 | zenzelezz | pfft... stay clear of undead and the horde races look cool |
| 16:47.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Orclev, because it's common thinking that Alliance is so overpopulated because all of the eight year old rolled the "good" side - based on l ooks |
| 16:48.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Orclev, now you have a race with an overwhelming beautiful magical city ^^ |
| 16:48.01 | kaiden | ScytheBlade1, it's not common thinking :p go check the wow census |
| 16:48.04 | kaiden | it's truth i tell ya |
| 16:48.10 | ScytheBlade1 | hehe |
| 16:48.13 | zenzelezz | it had nothing to do with good or bad; the horny kids wanted to be hawt NE/human females |
| 16:48.16 | kaiden | and when blood elves come out, the whiney 8 year olds will run for their side |
| 16:48.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Exactly |
| 16:48.24 | kremonte | i have a 15 druid |
| 16:48.28 | kremonte | i've given up farming for my mount |
| 16:48.33 | kremonte | i want to get him out of barrens before BEs come |
| 16:48.36 | kremonte | can you imagine? |
| 16:48.38 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 16:48.41 | ScytheBlade1 | That's horrible |
| 16:48.46 | kaiden | kremonte, be's will skip barrens no doubt |
| 16:48.49 | Orclev | hehe, I play on a PvP server, so no whiny 8 year olds jumping sides there at least |
| 16:48.54 | kremonte | NE1 NO WEAR ECHEYAKEE IZ |
| 16:49.02 | kaiden | LOL! |
| 16:49.12 | zenzelezz | were is mankirks wife??? |
| 16:49.20 | Orclev | god, that was a annoying quest |
| 16:49.23 | Thrae | kremonte: I didn't need to farm with my Druid, who had Herbalism |
| 16:49.24 | subbawt | i love all of the guilds that get formed in the barrens |
| 16:49.26 | kremonte | hwo do u do samoelpahnge |
| 16:49.27 | Orclev | "What do you mean she's dead???" |
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| 16:50.00 | kremonte | Thrae: my rogue's herb but i don't make jack for money... the good news is, while farming BRD bosses for cache, i got a fiery formula and a brain hacker |
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| 16:50.17 | zenzelezz | when I started playing WoW, friends were kind enough to tell me about gathering professions, so I trained mining... by the time I hit 40 I could afford two mounts |
| 16:50.19 | |FF|Im2good4u | LFM MC ! |
| 16:50.20 | kremonte | but still, there's no doubt barrens will be elf-ful |
| 16:50.29 | Thrae | How to Raise a Druid -- Leatherworking + Skinning until Level 10, then Skinning + Herbalism until Level 40, then Mining + Engineering until Level 60 |
| 16:50.40 | zenzelezz | |FF|Im2good4u: really? Who's running it this time? |
| 16:50.43 | kremonte | eh Thrae, i'd disagree :< |
| 16:50.47 | kaiden | samophlange is my most hated ques |
| 16:50.49 | kaiden | t |
| 16:50.55 | Orclev | my druid has tailoring/enchanting... it works... sort of |
| 16:51.02 | |FF|Im2good4u | my guild a guild run :P |
| 16:51.03 | kaiden | god i hate typing on a laptop, keys just magically disappear |
| 16:51.16 | kremonte | how to level anything: get a gathering prof at 50 and get the higher level crap as you grind to 60 ;p |
| 16:51.35 | zenzelezz | |FF|Im2good4u: aha ;) Was sort of hoping Firebird's might have not taken Ragnaros yesterday :-p |
| 16:51.51 | Thrae | kremonte: Well I had no problems with money until I started doing Engineer ;) |
| 16:51.54 | kaiden | So, who else is excited that ragnaros is 12 mannable by lvl 65's? :) |
| 16:52.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Anyone else for some war3? |
| 16:52.16 | zenzelezz | kaiden: the 28 level 60s leeching off those 65s |
| 16:52.25 | subbawt | i thought i heard of ragnaros being 10 manned by 60s |
| 16:52.26 | kaiden | haha zenze |
| 16:52.40 | kaiden | ony is duoable at level 70 |
| 16:52.41 | Bouvi | Nice thing about this stupid patch is the areas usually heavily camped have no one. :) |
| 16:52.47 | kremonte | Thrae: i don't see much of a need for a trade prof before the 50s... you aren't producing much of value or use |
| 16:52.47 | kaiden | hell she's 4 mannable at level 60 |
| 16:53.07 | Cide | 3-mannable actually |
| 16:53.14 | kaiden | really? crazy |
| 16:53.16 | Thrae | kremonte: Well if you PvP before level 50 |
| 16:53.29 | kremonte | Thrae: that depends on your goals, 60 fast or what :P |
| 16:53.32 | Thrae | I love Engineering all around -- it's fun! |
| 16:53.50 | Thrae | I wonder what the BC recipes for Engineering will be |
| 16:53.51 | kaiden | did you jus tsay engi was fun? |
| 16:54.11 | subbawt | i hate trying to make something with engineering |
| 16:54.20 | subbawt | you have to do like 20 subcombines |
| 16:54.22 | zenzelezz | I've heard a few people planning to take up engineering so they can do parachuting from flying mounts... |
| 16:54.41 | kaiden | tell me about it, you have to craft this to craft this to get this to craft that to combine with this to craft this set of bombs |
| 16:54.41 | Thrae | zenzelezz: haha |
| 16:54.43 | kremonte | pchute cloak is a 30 min cd, hardly worth it :/ |
| 16:54.43 | Mery | the only reason i still have engi is that i spend too much time collecting all recipes |
| 16:54.47 | Orclev | parachuting from mounts? |
| 16:54.52 | Thrae | kaiden: Well, the end result is fun |
| 16:55.17 | kaiden | Thrae, i'll give you this.... auto pop mailboxes are crazy cool |
| 16:55.18 | kaiden | lol |
| 16:55.35 | kaiden | i'm going to craft them and drop them out in the middle of the world where people run through so i can confuse them |
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| 16:56.35 | zenzelezz | speaking of engineering, I remember collecting materials for the "That's asking a lot" quest at LHC... when I finally had it all, after wrapping my head around the math, I handed it over to a guildie to do the crafts |
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| 16:57.00 | zenzelezz | then the bastard reminded me that the crafts made stacks, not single items... so I'd got like four or six times the materials I needed :-| |
| 16:57.00 | Mery | oh i did alot of those things back then |
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| 16:57.06 | Mery | because nobody had engineering |
| 16:57.45 | zenzelezz | it didn't take me long to get the materials, but man... calculating the expected material cost was a pain :-p |
| 16:58.39 | Mery | lol a friend had me make his thorium widgets for the dark moon faire stuff |
| 16:58.59 | Mery | and i told him it's not enough thorium ... |
| 16:59.28 | kremonte | weee http://dan-rouse.com/pew.jpg |
| 16:59.35 | Mery | after like 5 min of calulation he bought another 5 stacks |
| 16:59.37 | kremonte | model changing is fun! |
| 16:59.45 | TheStig | i'd like to have a mod that hides all says, yells, and whispers with "can i have", "can i borrow", "munny", "money" in them from people not on friend list or in guild as well as hide all messages in trade channel that do not have "WTB", "WTT", "WTS", "LF" in them from people not on your friend list or in your guild |
| 16:59.51 | kremonte | Mery: don't you need closer to 60 stacks? lol |
| 16:59.52 | Mery | only to find out ht emissing 5 stack were already in the mailbox |
| 17:00.04 | zenzelezz | haha |
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| 17:00.19 | kaiden | TheStig, Get that SamIAm addon |
| 17:00.27 | kremonte | TheStig: a mod like that sounds like it doesn't exist, but otherwise it's intriguing. |
| 17:00.28 | Mery | yeah its alot of throium |
| 17:00.32 | TheStig | yea? |
| 17:00.38 | kaiden | you add filters and any say yell etc that has those words it will remove the entire chat line |
| 17:00.41 | kaiden | and not even show it |
| 17:01.10 | TheStig | i could probably come up with something that does it but all that checking of friend list and guild list would be just too much for a lazy man |
| 17:01.16 | sysrage | beggars need to be dagged FFA |
| 17:01.18 | sysrage | *tagged |
| 17:01.44 | Bouvi | Seems a few can log in now we just had two guildies do it. I still cannot get in on wife's toon |
| 17:01.58 | jag111 | thestig: when someone just asks for money, i normally open a trade, put in 1000 gold and use it as a good time to go afk :) |
| 17:02.07 | kremonte | jag111: hahahahahahhaha. |
| 17:02.11 | Orclev | I don't know if anyone has ever done it, but I'm working on a addon to help manage friends lists across multiple characters |
| 17:02.11 | TheStig | ohhhhhhhh |
| 17:02.12 | Bouvi | The one that looged is did not download the patch |
| 17:02.14 | TheStig | OMG |
| 17:02.16 | TheStig | HAHA |
| 17:02.22 | TheStig | THAT my friend is BRILLIANT |
| 17:02.23 | jag111 | try it haha |
| 17:02.34 | sysrage | orclev: i'd use that |
| 17:02.39 | jag111 | it always makes me nervous that i might accidentally hit trade, i am so careful lol |
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| 17:02.52 | jag111 | but coming back to about 400 "pleeeeeeeeze" whispers is quite amusing |
| 17:02.54 | TheStig | write an addon that prevents pressing the trade button |
| 17:02.58 | TheStig | and make it have a toggle |
| 17:03.03 | jag111 | ha |
| 17:03.03 | TheStig | ./tradedisabled |
| 17:03.10 | jag111 | ridiculous! |
| 17:03.11 | TheStig | ./tradeenabled |
| 17:03.11 | jag111 | lol |
| 17:03.15 | TheStig | lol |
| 17:03.15 | Orclev | was in the middle of trying to test said addon when WoW went fubar |
| 17:03.54 | Tain | I borrowed it from someone else, but when I see people begging for money I tell them I'll give them money if they tell me why I should in the form of a haiku. |
| 17:03.58 | kaiden | TheStig: http://ui.worldofwar.net/ui.php?id=1592 |
| 17:04.04 | TheStig | thanks hehe |
| 17:04.10 | kaiden | SpamIAm not Sam-I-Am sorry about that |
| 17:04.11 | jag111 | rofl |
| 17:04.11 | kaiden | :p |
| 17:04.49 | zenzelezz | aw... SamIAm sounded like a much more creative name than SpamIAm :-( |
| 17:04.54 | SDammy | tain thats horriabl' |
| 17:05.09 | SDammy | e |
| 17:05.18 | jag111 | How much money do beggers actually make, i wonder? |
| 17:05.50 | kaiden | there's probably tards that go awww you poor thing and give them money |
| 17:05.51 | TheStig | i thought about making a beggar character alt just to see what people say to beggars |
| 17:06.01 | sysrage | a decent amount, i'd say. but probably not as much as they could get if they just farmed |
| 17:06.05 | TheStig | but what you guys say is far funnier than anything the people on my server could be saying lol |
| 17:06.12 | kaiden | my roommate is the biggest noob ever.. wish i could just kick him out he goes and buys gold on ebay then he gives it out in the city to all the beggars |
| 17:06.20 | kaiden | like a fricken moron, and says well they seemed like nice people |
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| 17:06.29 | Orclev | what would be funny is a lvl 60 in tier 3 gear begging |
| 17:06.36 | zenzelezz | depending on how much they ask for, I occasionally give them some |
| 17:06.50 | TheStig | Orclev: lawl |
| 17:06.55 | zenzelezz | if it's a level 10 asking for gold, he'll get nothing... if he's asking for "15s for spells", I might |
| 17:07.20 | Cide | I'm just curious how you 'not' have enough money to train |
| 17:07.25 | zenzelezz | though it can be fun to ask them what they need X gold for |
| 17:07.39 | zenzelezz | they tend to go very quiet then |
| 17:07.42 | Orclev | uhm... I've done it once or twice by spending to much on crafting |
| 17:07.43 | SDammy | what about a lvl 60 askn for g for spells its relative isnt it |
| 17:07.44 | TheStig | this lvl 30 mage asked me for 30s to finish buying his spells the other day, so i told him that we will go outside and duel, i will not attack him at all whatsoever, and if he can kill me i will give him 5 gold |
| 17:07.53 | TheStig | he gave up after an hour |
| 17:08.03 | zenzelezz | SDammy: a level 60 should have no trouble farming it |
| 17:08.08 | Tain | The fact that it takes less time to go out and make a few silver than to ask for it is why I'll never give anyone anything. |
| 17:08.26 | SDammy | same as a 15 Thestig |
| 17:08.31 | SDammy | askin for 15s |
| 17:09.02 | TheStig | the ironic thing being that he actually damaged my gear a considerable amount, enough to cost me around 30s lol |
| 17:09.04 | zenzelezz | yet at lower levels it can be harder, since if you're new you might not know how lucrative selling junk to vendors is |
| 17:09.39 | TheStig | i have a very simple mod that automatically sells everything grey to vendors |
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| 17:10.09 | zenzelezz | well, I don't think many new people go straight for the addon sites |
| 17:10.36 | TheStig | hehe |
| 17:11.02 | zenzelezz | think I used only Auctioneer on my way to my first 60; and only because a friend told me about it... the only part I used it for was to remember what I sell stuff for =) |
| 17:11.08 | Orclev | not sure what a total newb would do starting out... I was fortunate enough to have a friend with a few level 60s set me up with some basic addons |
| 17:11.26 | TheStig | at lvl 10 i had customized my own complete UI |
| 17:11.37 | zenzelezz | O_o |
| 17:11.38 | kaiden | i have an ace based addon pack that i give to all my new friends just so they can bug me for hours on end asking me how to configure it |
| 17:11.39 | kaiden | :p |
| 17:11.41 | TheStig | i just added things as i went along |
| 17:11.48 | Orclev | I use titan bar, atlas, auctioneer, and beancounter, but that's about it |
| 17:12.26 | kaiden | whoot eq2 at least lets me login :P |
| 17:12.30 | Orclev | when I finish the addon I'm working on, that goes in as well of course |
| 17:12.36 | kaiden | gonna play my fairy until wow is back up lol |
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| 17:13.39 | SDammy | my fairy? |
| 17:13.53 | kaiden | indeed |
| 17:14.03 | SDammy | what is it? |
| 17:14.06 | kaiden | he's awesome looking, little elf like creature with leaves for wings |
| 17:14.10 | kaiden | it's a Fae (fairy) |
| 17:14.21 | zenzelezz | one of the things that made a big impression on me when I was trying EQ2 was being chased by a fish from near a lighthouse or something all the way to the city gates |
| 17:14.29 | TheStig | i use omnicc, archaeologist(still looking for a replacement to this so i dont have to use 5 or 6 f-ing cosmos dependencies), automaton, avbars, aucitoneer/enchantrix/informant, bongos, cooldownbars, deathalert, devtools, druidbar, elkbuffbar, fizzle, fubar+tons of plugins, ICU, itemrack, KTM, mapnotes, mobinfo2, mozzfullworldmap, nickcompleter, onebag/bank, opium, sct/sctd, simpleminimap, xcalc + 6 i made myself |
| 17:15.40 | SDammy | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:15.40 | TheStig | oh forgot damage meters |
| 17:15.40 | TheStig | and vendetta boss mods |
| 17:17.08 | Neuro_Medivh | Zenz, obviously it was a flying fish |
| 17:17.24 | zenzelezz | nope... it followed the ground |
| 17:17.32 | zenzelezz | but I saw others experienced the same |
| 17:17.44 | sysrage | sw stats > damagemeters |
| 17:17.51 | TheStig | let me look into that |
| 17:17.55 | TheStig | i'm always up for improvements hehe |
| 17:18.05 | kaiden | knowing you are just that good > any damage meter :P |
| 17:18.11 | sysrage | heh |
| 17:18.29 | TheStig | www.blastwavecomic.com |
| 17:18.36 | zenzelezz | http://www.gucomics.com/archives/view.php?cdate=20041228 |
| 17:18.48 | Neuro_Medivh | thestig, what do you replace your casting bar with? or do you use the default? |
| 17:18.58 | sysrage | as for archaeologist replacement. it's a whole lot more than just changing the numbers on the bars, but i just started using x-perl. it rocks |
| 17:19.10 | jag111 | Man, how long has the logon server been down? they really screwed it up huh |
| 17:19.30 | TheStig | i use the default casting bar, it works fine - i did use bongos casting bar for a while, and i had eCastingBar for a while, which was nice having a ms countdown with interruption addtion, but i found i watched the cast bar more than i watched the fight |
| 17:19.34 | TheStig | so i got rid of it |
| 17:19.54 | Neuro_Medivh | bah... eCB is great |
| 17:20.01 | Neuro_Medivh | so pretty! |
| 17:20.16 | jag111 | lol |
| 17:20.24 | TheStig | i never said it wasn't nice! i just pay too much attention to flashy things |
| 17:23.23 | TheStig | here's how my UI looks (i have another bar down the right side with some less frequently used things on click cast and 12 bars in the bottom center bound to num pad / * - 7 8 9 4 5 6 1 2 3 in that order - since druid, swapping forms changes it to a new page each shift, so it works nicely http://i3.tinypic.com/2qw1udv.jpg |
| 17:23.58 | Garthnait | Does anybody know how to create an own chat type for my addon??? |
| 17:23.58 | sysrage | what's the mod that makes your map square? |
| 17:24.06 | TheStig | simpleMinimap |
| 17:24.07 | kaiden | squeenix |
| 17:24.10 | kaiden | or that |
| 17:24.12 | sysrage | thanks |
| 17:24.15 | kaiden | squeenix is better imo:P |
| 17:24.15 | TheStig | simpleMinimap is much better |
| 17:24.20 | Thrae | sysrage: RicoMinimap, Squeenix, SimpleMinimap |
| 17:24.20 | TheStig | they have like 40 options |
| 17:24.26 | kremonte | Garthnait: http://www.wowwiki.com/HOWTO:_Create_your_own_chat_types |
| 17:24.29 | kaiden | TheStig, i'll give it a try |
| 17:24.32 | Thrae | Squeenix has the smallest footprint |
| 17:24.33 | TheStig | hehe |
| 17:24.39 | Garthnait | kremonte: that don't work |
| 17:24.40 | TheStig | yeah it has the smallest footprint |
| 17:24.51 | kremonte | what part of it doesn't work? |
| 17:25.17 | ScytheBlade1 | I may be biased, but I like YASMM best ;) |
| 17:25.24 | Garthnait | i don't know. its colors my chat frmes white |
| 17:25.24 | Thrae | sysrage: Remember to download DetachedMinimapButtons if you want to make your Minimap square, as many addons don't properly compensate |
| 17:25.37 | sysrage | k |
| 17:27.13 | kremonte | using a function(...), you can do {...} to index all the args in a table, right? |
| 17:27.19 | Cide | yep |
| 17:27.23 | kremonte | kay |
| 17:27.39 | Garthnait | im not as quiet as good to know what you mean ^^ |
| 17:28.15 | Garthnait | i've just copy and paste the things in the two boxes to test |
| 17:28.55 | sysrage | damnit.. wowace back to low bandwidth site |
| 17:28.55 | Garthnait | the tut doesn't really exlain what i have to do exactly |
| 17:29.09 | sysrage | they need to servers QQ |
| 17:29.13 | sysrage | s/to/new |
| 17:39.41 | qshadowp | http://www.warcraftmovies.com/stream.php?id=32687 |
| 17:39.44 | qshadowp | best music ever :D |
| 17:41.13 | SDammy | wow still down? |
| 17:41.46 | kahdgarxi | i'm on right now |
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| 17:43.19 | cladhaire | its still down =/ |
| 17:44.45 | ScytheBlade1 | war3 anyone? |
| 17:46.04 | cladhaire | hehe |
| 17:46.22 | Neuro_Medivh | WoW is down? It was up just a minute ago |
| 17:46.34 | cladhaire | i still cannot log in with 2.0.5 |
| 17:47.26 | kahdgarxi | hmm |
| 17:47.27 | kahdgarxi | that's interesting |
| 17:47.37 | kahdgarxi | afaik, my client never installed a patch |
| 17:47.37 | kaiden | hell i can't even login to get 2.0.5 |
| 17:47.38 | kaiden | :p |
| 17:47.39 | kahdgarxi | and i'm in the game right now |
| 17:47.43 | Smeltn | only people who downloaed 2.05 earlier |
| 17:47.44 | Smeltn | cant log in |
| 17:47.50 | Smeltn | people who did not are fine |
| 17:48.13 | Neuro_Medivh | that movie is sad |
| 17:53.42 | kaiden | yay i got on :p |
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| 17:57.33 | Orclev | gah, this stupid addon system is driving me up a wall... I follow the example on the howto page of the wowwiki, and it still dosn't work |
| 17:57.51 | Cide | we can probably help you if you tell us what's wrong |
| 17:58.06 | Hobinheim | whoa whoa |
| 17:58.08 | Orclev | trying to make a scollable list using the HOWTO found here http://www.wowwiki.com/HOWTO:_Make_a_Scrollable_List_Using_FauxScrollFrameTemplate |
| 17:58.10 | Hobinheim | anything related to wowwiki |
| 17:58.14 | Hobinheim | you can report directly to me |
| 17:58.19 | Hobinheim | and i'll try my best to help you solve it |
| 17:58.22 | Hobinheim | <~~~ wowwiki admin |
| 17:58.32 | qshadowp | lol |
| 17:58.40 | Hobinheim | mm.... those howto's most of the admins did not write |
| 17:58.44 | Hobinheim | so... can't vouch for those, hehe |
| 17:59.03 | Hobinheim | those are just community contributions, so we can't really speak for the quality of them |
| 17:59.17 | Hobinheim | at beast you could flag the article as BROKEN and someone would get to it eventually |
| 17:59.22 | Orclev | well, at any rate, see anything wrong with the example in there? |
| 17:59.30 | Hobinheim | or, out of the goodness of your own heart, if you figure it out, please update the article with your findings |
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| 18:00.13 | Orclev | I'm following it more or less exactly as it's written and I can get it mostly working, but it's not actually displaying entries... I added some debuging, and it's making the right calls and everything, but nothing gets displayed |
| 18:02.44 | foxlit | That one's decent, I built a few things based on it. |
| 18:02.45 | cladhaire | kaiden: How did you get in? |
| 18:03.44 | Orclev | my xml more or less: http://pastey.net/5093 |
| 18:04.35 | foxlit | BOTTOM_LEFT isn't a valid anchor point |
| 18:05.14 | foxlit | (BOTTOMLEFT is) |
| 18:05.23 | Orclev | ah |
| 18:06.30 | Orclev | hmm... fixed that and still not working |
| 18:06.56 | foxlit | post a screenshot :) |
| 18:07.30 | Cide | more importantly, post your lua |
| 18:08.01 | Cide | ah |
| 18:08.06 | Cide | name="MOD_ScrollFrame" |
| 18:08.13 | Cide | relativeTo="MODMainFrame_ScrollFrame" |
| 18:08.27 | Cide | change that to: reltaiveTo="MOD_ScrollFrame" |
| 18:08.33 | Cide | s/reltaive/relative/ |
| 18:09.33 | Hobinheim | if you wanna like |
| 18:09.37 | Hobinheim | you know, update bad articles |
| 18:09.39 | Orclev | ok, I pasted up a lua excerpt: http://pastey.net/5094 |
| 18:09.40 | Hobinheim | that would be, like, awesome |
| 18:09.54 | Cide | Orclev: what I said should fix your issues |
| 18:10.16 | Cide | well, you have MODMainFrame in your lua too |
| 18:10.17 | foxlit | Article isn't really at fault, and wiki sort of lags. |
| 18:10.19 | Orclev | nope |
| 18:10.33 | Orclev | I changed the name actually |
| 18:10.51 | Cide | no idea then |
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| 18:12.46 | Swemetal | i get the error "attempt to call a table value" on this line: for index, value in DOCKED_CHAT_FRAMES do. could you help me, please? :) |
| 18:13.02 | Cide | replace with ... in pairs(DOCKED_CHAT_FRAMES) do |
| 18:13.02 | foxlit | Does the scrollbar show, Orclev? |
| 18:13.35 | Swemetal | thanks |
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| 18:16.18 | foxlit | Those anchors look downright werid |
| 18:16.25 | foxlit | s/eri/eir/ |
| 18:16.35 | Orclev | sorry, was mucking about... yeah, the scrollbar shows |
| 18:16.47 | foxlit | <Anchor point="TOPLEFT"><Offset><AbsDimension x="0" y="-8"/> |
| 18:16.48 | Orclev | and I can scroll and get info messages about it setting the right items, but nothing shows up |
| 18:17.04 | foxlit | <Anchor point="BOTTOMRIGHT"><Offset><AbsDimension x="-30" y="8"/> |
| 18:17.21 | Orclev | uhm, no clue, it's what was in the HOWTO |
| 18:17.27 | Orclev | was going to muck with them after I got it working |
| 18:17.31 | foxlit | That doesn't make any sense, though |
| 18:17.51 | Orclev | think I should try changing them to 0,0? |
| 18:17.57 | foxlit | Actually, no, it does. |
| 18:18.12 | foxlit | BOTTOMRIGHT of the parent - 30, bah. |
| 18:18.22 | foxlit | No, they're fine. |
| 18:19.08 | Orclev | why the hell didn't blizzard just use a normal DOM model like every other self respecting XML parser uses |
| 18:19.41 | Orclev | hmm... DOM model is redundant though... like saying PIN number |
| 18:19.46 | Tain | I like that Verizon commercial. "You got this phone, you got that phone, what did dad get?" "Aftershave." |
| 18:19.51 | Tain | "No, dad got hosed." |
| 18:20.24 | Cide | they don't know math though |
| 18:21.15 | Orclev | is it possible to create GUI widgets on the fly programmaticly, or must they be defined in the XML file first? |
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| 18:21.45 | Cide | you can create them programatically |
| 18:22.05 | Cide | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_CreateFrame |
| 18:22.35 | Tain | Ooh I found out why my Addons button was gone on my char select screen. |
| 18:22.38 | Orclev | hmm, maybe that would be simpler to use |
| 18:22.47 | Tain | I don't have any addons on my laptop. |
| 18:22.52 | foxlit | Naah, there's nothing very wrong with WoW's XML. |
| 18:23.42 | Tain | There's nothing wrong with using XML. If you know in advance how many frames you need (not creating new ones based on events) and you're more comfortable with XML then it's fine |
| 18:23.50 | TheStig | what is TABARD_CANSAVE_CHANGED |
| 18:24.42 | Orclev | hmm... should the button template be inheriting anything? |
| 18:25.11 | kaso | TheStig i guess it fires when you "Can" "Save" the tabard? |
| 18:25.28 | TheStig | its firing every other event..... |
| 18:25.40 | Tain | Yeah that event fires constantly. |
| 18:25.46 | zenzelezz | they want to make sure you know you can save it |
| 18:25.53 | TheStig | wtf its pissing me off |
| 18:25.55 | foxlit | Hm, let me see if the wiki example runs |
| 18:26.11 | Tain | It is just the way it is, TheStig |
| 18:26.17 | TheStig | hehe |
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| 18:27.09 | foxlit | So does TBC increase population cap by 25% when it is released? :) |
| 18:27.38 | Orclev | maybe they'll add new realms |
| 18:29.06 | foxlit | Orclev: direct copy of the wiki example works for me. |
| 18:29.30 | Orclev | hmm, great, so that means one of my changes is mucking things up |
| 18:29.48 | kremonte | wtf, 2 concurrent patches |
| 18:29.50 | kremonte | I CANT HANDLE THIS MADNESS |
| 18:31.27 | kahdgarxi | kremonte - just wait until the expansion comes out |
| 18:32.37 | kremonte | kahdgarxi: but that's planned madness |
| 18:32.43 | kremonte | this is just unplanned madness! |
| 18:34.01 | ScytheBlade1 | cladhaire, I suck hard |
| 18:34.05 | cladhaire | lol |
| 18:34.07 | cladhaire | you could learn =) |
| 18:34.18 | ScytheBlade1 | I like actual war3 |
| 18:34.20 | cladhaire | i was horrible.. couldn't get a decent matchup anywhere. |
| 18:34.22 | ScytheBlade1 | You know, the game |
| 18:34.58 | cladhaire | brb shower |
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| 18:36.32 | sysrage | how often is Saroz alive in here? |
| 18:36.53 | JoshBorke | not as often as in wowace |
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| 18:40.41 | Orclev | ok, I tried running the example off wowwiki and it dies complaining about a nil value, aparently it dosn't like the call to MyMod_OnLoad() |
| 18:41.00 | JoshBorke | what one? |
| 18:41.02 | foxlit | Correct filenames? |
| 18:41.18 | Orclev | MyModScrollBar.xml, MyModScrollBar.lua |
| 18:42.25 | JoshBorke | pastecode your xml file |
| 18:42.25 | Orclev | interestingly enough, when I exited and reloaded WoW, I started seeing entries in the addon I'm using, but without the correct text in the labels |
| 18:42.53 | Orclev | http://pastey.net/5101 |
| 18:43.07 | Orclev | only thing I changed from the wiki is the Ui tag |
| 18:43.28 | Orclev | oh,and I just added a semi-colon to the call to OnLoad, but the error was before that |
| 18:43.30 | JoshBorke | and pastey your lua file |
| 18:43.56 | Orclev | http://pastey.net/5102 |
| 18:44.18 | Thrae | Orclev: Lua doesn't need semi-colons, unless you have two statements on the same line |
| 18:44.21 | JoshBorke | what's the exact error? |
| 18:44.58 | Orclev | get the error "attempt to call global 'MyMod_OnLoad' (a nil value)" |
| 18:45.41 | Orclev | [string "MyMod:OnLoad"] line 2 |
| 18:47.28 | Sstixrud | Any expereinced lua/modders willing to look over my code and comment on optimizations/simplifcation? This is my first real programming experience and am pretty much shootin in the dark :) http://wowi.pastey.net/5103 |
| 18:47.46 | Orclev | ok, I'm going to shut WoW down and restart it, it's acting very strange |
| 18:47.53 | Orclev | I think it got glitched somehow |
| 18:48.34 | Thrae | Orclev: Pastey your lua file too |
| 18:49.21 | Orclev | ok, I got the example one working now, not sure what was wrong, but a complete restart of WoW seems to have cleared it up |
| 18:49.48 | JoshBorke | if the file isn't there when wow starts it won't get loaded |
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| 18:51.12 | Orclev | that's the wierd thing, both files were there, but it acted like it only found one... maybe it some windows file system wierdness... every now and then at work I see things like that as well, windows claiming files are in use, or don't exist every once in a while |
| 19:01.16 | Orclev | the only other difference I can see is, I have an OnEvent handler attached to the main frame, would that cause problems you think? |
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| 19:09.32 | Orclev | ok, I verified that the entry objects are there, and they're getting set properly, which means it's a display/layering problem |
| 19:14.28 | Thrae | JoshBorke: I love your Whomod! I could use this all day. |
| 19:14.35 | JoshBorke | eh? |
| 19:14.40 | JoshBorke | i didn't write a WhoMod... |
| 19:14.59 | Thrae | JoshBorke: Don't be humble |
| 19:15.11 | JoshBorke | no idea what you're talking about :P |
| 19:15.17 | Saroz | sysrage |
| 19:15.34 | Thrae | This is an excellent mod, it has the perfect raid frames and is an excellent replacement for Needy List. |
| 19:15.47 | JoshBorke | totally isn't mine thrae, sorry to dissapoint |
| 19:15.50 | Thrae | JoshBorke: Thanks again! Your Whomod is awesome. |
| 19:16.26 | Thrae | ## Author: JoshBorke |
| 19:16.26 | JoshBorke | ... |
| 19:16.27 | kahdgarxi | rofl |
| 19:16.36 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 19:16.37 | JoshBorke | give me a download link? |
| 19:16.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Someone stole your .toc and didn't completly change it? |
| 19:16.50 | Industrial | lma |
| 19:16.51 | Industrial | o |
| 19:16.56 | JoshBorke | LOL |
| 19:17.13 | Thrae | It even allows for automatic movement! |
| 19:17.40 | JoshBorke | i hate you Thrae :P |
| 19:17.40 | Thrae | Oh, I forgot the download link |
| 19:17.50 | sysrage | hey saroz |
| 19:18.10 | sysrage | sRF.. the 'position' option is missing. seen a few posts with other people having the same problem |
| 19:18.11 | Thrae | I just put Whomod on my machine and it plays the game for me. I'm farming Sithilus right now |
| 19:18.16 | sysrage | how can i get it back? |
| 19:18.18 | Hobinheim | what's a nice, late firing event upon login |
| 19:18.23 | Hobinheim | like after addons |
| 19:18.25 | Saroz | sysrage, yea I know, it's odd |
| 19:18.40 | JoshBorke | Hobinheim: PLAYER_LOGIN |
| 19:18.48 | Sstixrud | Any expereinced lua/modders willing to look over my code and comment on optimizations/simplifcation? This is my first real programming experience and am pretty much shootin in the dark :) http://wowi.pastey.net/5103 |
| 19:18.58 | sysrage | saroz: i was just digging through saved variables trying to find where it's set so i can just manually do it.. is it in some file there? |
| 19:19.17 | Thrae | Sstixrud: Post your request in the Wowace.com forums. They get wet over optimization. |
| 19:19.51 | Sstixrud | Thrae: hehe, I hate forums tho :| heh |
| 19:20.48 | JoshBorke | he's right though, they do get wet over optimization |
| 19:21.23 | Sstixrud | :) its the whole time lag thing that makes learning hard |
| 19:21.23 | sysrage | ahh. found it in fubar.lua i think |
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| 19:23.24 | sysrage | saroz: ok ya. if you edit the fubar.lua and manually put it in the "right" section it works. dunno why the option isn't showing up though |
| 19:23.46 | Saroz | yea it's odd |
| 19:24.36 | Hobinheim | i'm having trouble coding a mod... to run commands after i've logged in |
| 19:25.15 | Thrae | Hobinheim: Do it at PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD |
| 19:25.44 | JoshBorke | local f = CreateFrame('Frame'); f:SetScript('OnEvent',function(frame,event) if (event == 'PLAYER_LOGIN') then <run all my functions here> end end) f:RegisterEvent('PLAYER_LOGIN') |
| 19:26.08 | Thrae | JoshBorke: I thought POW was after PL |
| 19:26.26 | JoshBorke | PIW fires whenever they zone across things, PL only fires once |
| 19:26.47 | Thrae | well you can remove the script after it runs |
| 19:27.01 | JoshBorke | true, and you're right, PIW does fire after PL |
| 19:27.16 | Thrae | JoshBorke: We both got the acronym wrong...PEW :D |
| 19:27.23 | JoshBorke | lol, you're right |
| 19:27.37 | Thrae | Hobinheim: If you're using Ace2, then YourAddon:OnInitialize is fine |
| 19:28.41 | Sstixrud | Wouldn't Ace2 keep people from learning how lua/wow mods really work? :) |
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| 19:29.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Sstixrud, to be honest, that's been a problem with my *learning*. Nearly all of the mods that I want to learn from, are all Ace'd. |
| 19:29.53 | ScytheBlade1 | It's a pita. |
| 19:30.42 | Sstixrud | I didn't even know ace existed... which is good as it forced me to learn more :) |
| 19:31.46 | Sstixrud | the main problem I have had is determining the RIGHT way to do something, as often times there are more ways than one |
| 19:32.02 | ScytheBlade1 | yup |
| 19:32.14 | Sstixrud | learning from other mods have not been very instructive as most of them were too advanced / complex at the point I needed to learn from them |
| 19:32.50 | Industrial | anyone know where mjc went? :D |
| 19:33.22 | Industrial | ~seen mjc |
| 19:33.39 | purl | mjc <n=mjc@c-71-206-92-120.hsd1.fl.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 3d 14h 46m 10s ago, saying: 'only if your allocation rate doubles in a certain time period'. |
| 19:33.52 | Industrial | hm |
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| 19:34.08 | Industrial | Mr_Rabies: ping :D |
| 19:34.31 | Hobinheim | ace is hot, there's not that much to learn in lua |
| 19:34.40 | JoshBorke | ... |
| 19:34.41 | Neuro_Medivh | lol |
| 19:34.43 | Neuro_Medivh | yes there is |
| 19:34.49 | JoshBorke | yea there is |
| 19:34.53 | Orclev | well, not sure what was wrong before, but I copied and pasted the entire howto code, edited it to match my addon, and now it's working |
| 19:34.53 | Neuro_Medivh | gotta learn to walk before you run |
| 19:35.13 | Industrial | Orclev: way to go knowing how it actually works |
| 19:35.16 | Industrial | :P |
| 19:35.36 | foxlit | Well, you can get away via copying and adjusting things, but it'll catch up when you want to change something significant ) |
| 19:35.37 | Hobinheim | i'm trying to override the startup code of another addon cuz sometimes it doesn't get it perfect |
| 19:35.41 | Hobinheim | and my code isn't really running =( |
| 19:36.15 | Orclev | I tried doing from scratch and couldn't get it running, and couldn't figure out why it wasn't... I don't exactly have good debuging tools available |
| 19:36.54 | Sstixrud | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:36.57 | Cairenn | Orclev: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/cat35.html |
| 19:37.12 | Cairenn | specifically: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info3999-DevTools.html |
| 19:37.33 | JoshBorke | don't tell him our secrets! |
| 19:37.38 | Sstixrud | Any expereinced lua/modders willing to look over my code and comment on optimizations/simplifcation? This is my first real programming experience and have been pretty much shooting in the dark :) http://wowi.pastey.net/5103 |
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| 19:38.52 | Orclev | ah, framestack would probably have helped me figure out what was wrong as I suspect it had something to do with the order things where getting drawn in |
| 19:39.08 | Sstixrud | now comes for the hard part... detecting debuffs/buffs on each unit and changing button settings dynamically for each UNIT_HEALTH event... in a way that doesnt kill performance |
| 19:39.16 | Orclev | I had looked at that addon on another site, but it was a old one from pre 2.0 |
| 19:39.27 | Sstixrud | oh and PLAYER_AURAS_CHANGED |
| 19:39.30 | Hobinheim | what's the diff between minimap cluster and minimap? |
| 19:39.30 | foxlit | What's the edit box font element? |
| 19:39.52 | foxlit | Cluster includes a few more things |
| 19:40.12 | Kaelten | omg world of war should be shot for putting ads on their site that are likely to cause seizers |
| 19:40.24 | Hobinheim | ahh i see cluster includes the bar. still not working tho =( |
| 19:41.03 | JoshBorke | lol Kaelten |
| 19:42.17 | Shadowed | Sstixrud: Take a look at UNIT_AURA |
| 19:43.33 | Sstixrud | ok, I am also going to update buttons when group/raid members take damage, or pass user defined thresholds so UNIT_HEALTH will also be needed :| |
| 19:43.55 | Shadowed | What do you mean when you say "update buttons"? As in, change who the button targets when they click it? |
| 19:44.07 | Orclev | I noticed that auctioneer adds a button to the AH screen, is that something special that is just on AH, or you can add buttons to other default blizzard interfaces (without replacing the entire interface with a custom one)? |
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| 19:44.27 | Sstixrud | No, make visable, change alpha, hide etc.. |
| 19:44.48 | Shadowed | Nothing special Orclev, you can do it with anything in the Blizzard UI |
| 19:45.18 | Orclev | based on what I've seen, I assume the standard panels all have a global named associated with them then? |
| 19:45.42 | Shadowed | If you use the addon kit you can extract the LUA/XML and find out the name, or use something like /dtframestack in devtools to find it |
| 19:45.44 | Sstixrud | certain action types (heals, buffs, cures) will default to hidden unless player has an the correct aura or has taken damage (for heals). For heals I plan on having two stages if health ~= 100% show a dim button if it passes threshold alpha(1) and buttonhighligh |
| 19:45.54 | Shadowed | Sstixrud: You know that you can't hide/show buttons that target people in combat however? |
| 19:46.12 | Sstixrud | I have that part working fine |
| 19:47.06 | Orclev | the last link I tried to download the addon kit from didn't seem to work, is there a site I should go to to get it? |
| 19:47.17 | Shadowed | You shouldn't have performance issues really, UNIT_HEALTH and UNIT_AURA both pass the unit that was updated so you can always check that |
| 19:47.39 | Cairenn | ~frame.xml |
| 19:47.51 | Cairenn | http://ftp.blizzard.com/pub/WoW/other/InterfaceAddOnKit_Win.zip |
| 19:48.01 | Tem | ~framexml |
| 19:48.02 | purl | get the official Blizzard Interface AddOn Kit here: http://www.blizzard.com/support/wow/?id=aww01671p -- Beta: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/downloads/expansion-bc/addonkit.zip |
| 19:48.02 | Sstixrud | The hard part is detecting what spells are on a specific actionbutton |
| 19:48.22 | Cairenn | heh, thanks Tem |
| 19:48.24 | Sstixrud | haven't figured out the best wa to do that yet |
| 19:48.30 | Shadowed | Detecting which spell is on an action button is pretty easy last I checked |
| 19:49.02 | Cairenn | you can also usually go to wdn |
| 19:49.04 | Orclev | wierd, that's the link I used last time and it told me the zip file was corrupted, but it seems to be working now... maybe it was something blizzard mucked up during the patch |
| 19:49.11 | Cairenn | http://wdn.wowinterface.com/ |
| 19:49.33 | Shadowed | hrm |
| 19:49.43 | Shadowed | I could swear they made it easier to detect what spell is on an action bar in 2.0. |
| 19:50.06 | Sstixrud | GetActionInfo, but I haven't found an easy way to compare that against all possible spells and THEN determine what type of spell it is, debuff, cure, heal |
| 19:50.21 | Shadowed | no not that |
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| 19:50.49 | foxlit | "1/14 20:49:01.388 RAB_QueryDetail_Caption: FontString element overriding font ChatFontNormal" |
| 19:50.53 | foxlit | What exactly does that mean? |
| 19:51.47 | Sstixrud | well GetActionInfo gives me a list of file paths/names which I can compare against a hard coded list that I build manually but that is uber ugly |
| 19:52.08 | Sstixrud | not to mention I dont have a list of all spells :) |
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| 19:52.30 | JoshBorke | you can check for friendly spells with SpellCanTargetUnit('player') |
| 19:52.44 | foxlit | DI |
| 19:52.49 | Shadowed | Friendly spells could mean cures too not just heals |
| 19:52.52 | Shadowed | or buffs |
| 19:53.17 | Sstixrud | yeah I need to act diff depending on type of friendly spell |
| 19:54.08 | Sstixrud | plus I might also add DOT spells to my target frame buttons ;) |
| 19:54.37 | sylvanaar | there is but you are better of not learning it |
| 19:54.51 | Shadowed | mmmm |
| 19:54.57 | sylvanaar | WRB TheLowdown for IRC |
| 19:55.11 | Sstixrud | better off not learning what :) |
| 19:56.00 | sylvanaar | o was scrolled back into thhe history |
| 19:56.02 | Shadowed | You could always set a tooltip to the action bar and see if GetSpell() would return the info I suppose |
| 19:57.00 | Sstixrud | havent played with tooltips how would that work? |
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| 19:58.19 | Sstixrud | the other mods I have seen that do this all define a list of spells that they are interested in and most of them just scan the players spellbook often and match the two |
| 19:58.43 | Shadowed | Thats probably the easiest way of doing it if you want compatability with non-standard UIs |
| 19:58.58 | foxlit | To be honest, if you wanted to categorize spells, categorize exceptions |
| 19:59.11 | Sstixrud | :| it just seems like a dirty hack to me heh |
| 19:59.12 | foxlit | Consider everything as an attack, define known cures and heals. |
| 20:01.15 | Sstixrud | ya, thats would work best with my mod. it only conditions for the exceptions |
| 20:01.46 | Sstixrud | thats the plan, but I am having a hard time getting a list of conditions for all classes |
| 20:02.00 | foxlit | Give up on that, really. |
| 20:02.00 | Sstixrud | conditions = spell exception list |
| 20:02.12 | foxlit | Just categorize the spells yourself and go from there :) |
| 20:02.44 | Industrial | ~seen Mr_Rabies2 |
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| 20:03.11 | Sstixrud | ya, so to detect actionbutton spell ill have to compare my hard coded list against GetActionInfo right? |
| 20:03.26 | Industrial | ~seen Insaclone |
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| 20:03.31 | Industrial | er |
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| 20:08.45 | foxlit | Which texture holds the class icons? |
| 20:11.12 | Sstixrud | sorry, GetACtionText, using string.match(texture,"[^\\]+$") to only display the spellname |
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| 20:20.05 | KiphereCE | Howdy ;) |
| 20:20.20 | JoshBorke | hola |
| 20:20.43 | KiphereCE | having issues finding a mod and I'm not sure if the functionality has been broken or something |
| 20:21.00 | KiphereCE | I can't find an accurate energy ticker that ticks even when you're full energy |
| 20:21.41 | bleetah | last time I played with telo's info bar, the energy ticker worked fine |
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| 20:21.48 | KiphereCE | and I wanted to ask some questions if any experienced authors are around ;) |
| 20:21.51 | bleetah | haven't used it since 2.0.3 tho, been to busy to play |
| 20:22.14 | KiphereCE | can you break the energy ticker off of telos or is it just a part of the mod? |
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| 20:22.18 | KiphereCE | I just want a stand a lone dealy |
| 20:22.36 | KiphereCE | I had one a loong time ago but I havn't played a rogue in over a year |
| 20:23.09 | bleetah | infobar's a modular plugin thing.. you can probably easily remove the stuff you don't use |
| 20:23.20 | Hobinheim | what is the entire chat area called? |
| 20:23.30 | Hobinheim | like.... what object would i call hideframe from? |
| 20:23.35 | Gngsk | Hobinheim, ChatFrame or ChatEditBox? |
| 20:23.40 | JoshBorke | ChatFrame1:Hide() would hide the first chat frame |
| 20:24.02 | Thrae | JoshBorke: Whomod has that ability built-in, thanks again! |
| 20:24.19 | JoshBorke | i hate you Thrae :P |
| 20:24.19 | Hobinheim | there's no parent container for the ENTIRE chatting mechanism? |
| 20:24.23 | Hobinheim | all tabs, boxes, and frames? |
| 20:24.37 | Hobinheim | i'm trying to re-invent alt z |
| 20:24.45 | Hobinheim | unless someone did that already... |
| 20:24.46 | JoshBorke | Hobinheim: check the blizzard XML, but I don't think so |
| 20:24.50 | Hobinheim | geh |
| 20:24.55 | JoshBorke | why are you redoing alt+z? |
| 20:25.03 | Hobinheim | because i don't like to see my interface =) |
| 20:25.10 | Hobinheim | i'm a tucked and away kinda guy |
| 20:25.29 | JoshBorke | so what are you trying to do exactly? |
| 20:25.40 | Hobinheim | to show/hide specific frames/addons based on a binding or in and out of combat |
| 20:25.44 | Hobinheim | combat = show everything |
| 20:25.46 | Hobinheim | out of combat = alt z |
| 20:26.12 | Thrae | Hobinheim: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5795 <-- list of minimalist addons |
| 20:26.19 | JoshBorke | why not just send the alt-z? |
| 20:26.25 | JoshBorke | (UIParent:Hide()) |
| 20:26.25 | Hobinheim | alt z blocks input |
| 20:26.40 | Hobinheim | i want to be able to engage combat w/ things hidden |
| 20:27.09 | Hobinheim | at least i think it does... =/ |
| 20:27.18 | bleetah | cide: question for you. in 'normal' WoW, ALT key (no idea on Mac) is bound in CTMailmod to put an item into the mail. Unfortunately, when played on Linux, this doesn't work as the ALT key is mapped for the X server to move a screen around. Interestingly, Cedega seem to have mapped the Left-Windows key to work as an ALT.. 'cept.. yeah, you guessed it, doesn't work in CTMailMod. Any ideas/suggestions? |
| 20:27.26 | Thrae | Hobinheim: The problem is, secure frames cannot be shown or hidden in combat. |
| 20:27.49 | Cide | bleetah: /shrug, no idea |
| 20:27.50 | bleetah | errr, s/screen/window/ |
| 20:27.50 | Hobinheim | can they be shown when combat begins? |
| 20:27.51 | Gngsk | just register for PLAYER_REGEN_ENABLED/DISABLED |
| 20:27.54 | JoshBorke | yes |
| 20:27.56 | Cide | it uses IsAltKeyDown |
| 20:28.01 | Hobinheim | lemme... try your way for a sec |
| 20:28.03 | Hobinheim | brb |
| 20:28.32 | bleetah | Cide: hmm, must be some freaky thing inside wine/cedega... hmm, thanks for the info, tho. appreciated (and look, i even made my own coffee today!) |
| 20:28.42 | Cide | but it also depends on IsModifierKeyDown |
| 20:28.49 | Cide | since blizzard's code checks that |
| 20:29.21 | KiphereCE | so, I have an idea and I'm not entirely sure if its been done before or if it 'could' be done. |
| 20:29.46 | KiphereCE | I want to make a 2 part addon, one 'master' and some clients to basically track DKP with a gui in game |
| 20:30.23 | KiphereCE | the master addon would be able to modify and sync with other masters and the clients would just be able to pull info from a master mod. |
| 20:30.26 | Hobinheim | didn't work |
| 20:30.28 | Hobinheim | it's not like... |
| 20:30.31 | Hobinheim | firing in the right way |
| 20:30.33 | bleetah | my main problem, though, is I still can't seem to get it to go to widescreen :( |
| 20:30.37 | Hobinheim | when i leave combat, things are showing up |
| 20:30.45 | Hobinheim | oh and i wanted partial control over certain ui elements |
| 20:30.46 | Hobinheim | =( |
| 20:31.54 | Hobinheim | what a complicated mod for something so silly =( |
| 20:32.18 | JoshBorke | Hobinheim: i have my UI fade in/out of combat. it takes a list of frames that you want shown/hidden and changes their alpha on an OnUpdate. would you like to see the code I use? |
| 20:32.33 | Hobinheim | yes! |
| 20:32.37 | JoshBorke | it'll only changes a few things |
| 20:32.41 | Hobinheim | ugh aren't onupdates like... dirty? |
| 20:32.47 | Cide | no |
| 20:32.52 | Cide | that'd be a misconception |
| 20:32.55 | Hobinheim | i guess an onupdate is required for a fade |
| 20:33.08 | Hobinheim | so what about onupdates am i miss conceiving? |
| 20:33.10 | Thrae | OnUpdates are required for timers. |
| 20:33.16 | JoshBorke | damnit, my computer crashed, pos |
| 20:33.21 | Hobinheim | like anything that needs to calculate in real time? |
| 20:33.29 | zenzelezz | doing expensive stuff in every onupdate is bad |
| 20:33.34 | Thrae | The UIFade function in UIParent.lua uses an OnUpdate too. |
| 20:33.35 | Cide | onupdates are fine as long as you don't do something stupid |
| 20:33.46 | Hobinheim | i've seen a mod rate throttle onupdate |
| 20:33.54 | Thrae | Personally, I like to do foo = {{{{{{}}}}} in my OnUpdates! |
| 20:33.56 | Hobinheim | so i'm guessing it takes time samples and does stuff only every so many seconds? |
| 20:34.13 | Cide | yes |
| 20:34.37 | JoshBorke | btw, cide, thrae, no looking at my code :P |
| 20:34.43 | Hobinheim | i want to monitor a cooldown, for another mod i have... is that like a gross misuse of onupdate? |
| 20:34.53 | JoshBorke | Hobinheim: http://jb.pastey.net/5104 |
| 20:35.00 | Hobinheim | the... item in question is on a two minute cooldown and i want to reequip it at 30 seconds |
| 20:35.09 | Hobinheim | ty sir |
| 20:38.02 | Hobinheim | you already lost me at the use of both a meta table and trigonometric functions |
| 20:38.34 | JoshBorke | the meta table is just me having some fun :) the trigonometric is just how I do the fading |
| 20:38.48 | JoshBorke | it was my first opportunity to use a meta table :D |
| 20:39.14 | JoshBorke | probably a poor use of a meta table, but whatever |
| 20:39.20 | Hobinheim | i'm... not even quite sure what a meta table is for |
| 20:39.42 | sylvanaar | there is but you are better of not learning it |
| 20:39.51 | sylvanaar | how funny |
| 20:40.06 | sylvanaar | this came conversation in in the back buffer too |
| 20:40.19 | JoshBorke | i'm using it to basically do this: if (not tlb[value]) then tlb[value] = <do some calculations> end |
| 20:42.36 | Hobinheim | ahh |
| 20:42.39 | Hobinheim | it's like making a ... |
| 20:42.45 | Hobinheim | tied object in perl |
| 20:43.26 | JoshBorke | um, dunno what a tied object is :) but you can safely ignore the meta table and the trig stuff |
| 20:43.38 | Hobinheim | so you're essentially memoizing (?) every call to the trig |
| 20:43.44 | Hobinheim | so that you're not recalcing for old inputs |
| 20:43.56 | JoshBorke | yep |
| 20:44.00 | Hobinheim | very NINJA!!!! of you |
| 20:44.33 | JoshBorke | since it is being called during an OnUpdate, i reduce the amount of calculations :) |
| 20:46.20 | JoshBorke | some of the OnUpdate is hackish since I decided to implement flashing also |
| 20:46.35 | zenzelezz | pervert |
| 20:46.38 | Hobinheim | LOL |
| 20:46.40 | JoshBorke | ;-) |
| 20:47.02 | JoshBorke | you know you want some zenzelezz |
| 20:48.12 | Hobinheim | is your code kinda... wordy? |
| 20:48.21 | JoshBorke | yea |
| 20:48.28 | JoshBorke | i like to have descriptive variables |
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| 20:49.06 | Hobinheim | so each event is a ... loader for a alpha table |
| 20:49.12 | Hobinheim | and this alpha table is constaly being scanned and reduced |
| 20:49.13 | Hobinheim | right? |
| 20:49.22 | JoshBorke | yep |
| 20:49.36 | Hobinheim | nice |
| 20:49.48 | Hobinheim | so... monitoring an item's cooldown. valid use of on update? |
| 20:49.55 | JoshBorke | yes |
| 20:49.57 | foxlit_ | Yes. |
| 20:49.59 | Hobinheim | also... |
| 20:50.01 | foxlit_ | But throttle it. |
| 20:50.02 | Hobinheim | i need to like... |
| 20:50.04 | Hobinheim | know if i have an item |
| 20:50.11 | Hobinheim | and today i just realized bag update is per bag |
| 20:50.22 | Hobinheim | so what's a good idiom for wholistically knowing if i have an item, anywhere |
| 20:50.46 | foxlit | 1. Find it in bags. |
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| 20:50.51 | foxlit | 2. Store found location. |
| 20:50.57 | foxlit | 3. Whever you need it again, check that location first. |
| 20:51.05 | Kirkburn | Yay for Hobinheim ;) |
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| 20:51.41 | JoshBorke | lol Iriel|Away, i like your stubs in you 2.1.0 changes thread |
| 20:52.43 | JoshBorke | Hobinheim: can you check for GetItemCount(<itemID>|"itemLink")? |
| 20:53.46 | Hobinheim | get item count....? |
| 20:54.05 | JoshBorke | new function of WoW 2.0 |
| 20:54.10 | Hobinheim | ugh not documented.. |
| 20:54.17 | JoshBorke | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=64187212&sid=1 |
| 20:55.18 | JoshBorke | documented there ;-) |
| 20:56.08 | Hobinheim | very sparse documentation =) |
| 20:56.17 | Hobinheim | so gets the number of items given a link or ID, i'm assuming |
| 20:56.20 | Hobinheim | i guess i could make an id table |
| 20:56.25 | Hobinheim | i was just doing a name scan |
| 20:56.35 | Hobinheim | oh well not so important |
| 20:56.53 | foxlit | UIObject:SetPoint("TOPLEFT", i*20,0); -- is valid, right? |
| 20:57.08 | JoshBorke | no |
| 20:57.14 | JoshBorke | well, maybe? |
| 20:57.31 | JoshBorke | don't remember what part is optional |
| 20:57.39 | JoshBorke | i THINK you have to define the other stuff |
| 20:57.58 | kahdgarxi | woo |
| 20:58.03 | kahdgarxi | wow just crashed xD |
| 20:58.09 | foxlit | Nah, it works. |
| 20:58.18 | foxlit | Thankfully :) |
| 20:58.22 | kahdgarxi | seomthing started chomping all my memory |
| 20:58.29 | kahdgarxi | and then wow exploded |
| 20:58.42 | JoshBorke | was it contained at least? ^_^ |
| 20:59.47 | kahdgarxi | it was actually handled rather gracefully |
| 20:59.51 | kahdgarxi | wow just quit |
| 21:00.00 | kahdgarxi | computer's as stable as ever |
| 21:00.34 | Garthnait | lol, in the german version Kruul is not renamed he names kazzak ^^ |
| 21:00.43 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 21:00.44 | kahdgarxi | lol, nice |
| 21:01.13 | Garthnait | the german version is so buggy |
| 21:01.28 | Garthnait | the bg status window dont work correct |
| 21:01.39 | Garthnait | i'm glad to play en version ^^ |
| 21:01.42 | Hobinheim | the lua is rough, and then the trig makes it worst :ohnoes: |
| 21:01.42 | JoshBorke | meh, it's just germans :D |
| 21:01.54 | JoshBorke | Hobinheim: ignore the trig ;-) |
| 21:02.20 | Hobinheim | i hate using code w/ "getting it" |
| 21:02.32 | ScytheBlade1 | http://wowi.pastey.net/5109 <-- really simple problem.. |
| 21:02.41 | Orclev | if you return a table or hashmap in lua from a function, is that pass by value, or pass by ref? |
| 21:02.43 | ScytheBlade1 | File2.lua states that VAR.A is a nil value.. |
| 21:02.48 | JoshBorke | Orclev: ref |
| 21:02.58 | ScytheBlade1 | But it shouldn't be. |
| 21:03.06 | JoshBorke | Hobinheim: the trig is just something i stole from DreamChat |
| 21:03.12 | ScytheBlade1 | It's a quite global variable, and /dump finds it just fine. |
| 21:03.14 | JoshBorke | it's a cosine interpolation function |
| 21:03.14 | Hobinheim | blah! |
| 21:03.37 | JoshBorke | ScytheBlade1: is File1.lua included before File2.lua? |
| 21:03.40 | Hobinheim | i dont' readily understand the adding of two... numbers adjacent to a ... mu... |
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| 21:03.43 | ScytheBlade1 | JoshBorke, it is |
| 21:04.05 | JoshBorke | Hobinheim: i don't understand the function either ;-) |
| 21:04.10 | Cide | Orclev: all objects in lua are passed by reference |
| 21:04.14 | ScytheBlade1 | JoshBorke, <Script file="File1.lua" /> <Script file="File2.lua" /> |
| 21:04.37 | Orclev | ok, thanks, that's what I thought |
| 21:04.46 | cladhaire | ItemRack works just fine with current, right? |
| 21:05.38 | ScytheBlade1 | I would *think* this is a simple problem, but I can't for the life of me figure out why it won't work. |
| 21:06.00 | Hobinheim | crap i *almost* understood the code until i remembered it was bound to a metatable.... |
| 21:06.08 | Hobinheim | damn you maths! :shakefist: |
| 21:06.36 | JoshBorke | Hobinheim: the metatable just returns the memoized value :P |
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| 21:10.42 | JoshBorke | the part I would focus on is my PLAYER_LOGIN which is where I convert the names to frames |
| 21:10.51 | foxlit | Hm, er. |
| 21:11.02 | foxlit | I need a checkbox-thingy |
| 21:12.43 | foxlit | Is NormalTexture overwriten by the CheckedTexture? :) |
| 21:12.50 | KiphereCE | blargh back |
| 21:13.09 | JoshBorke | wb |
| 21:13.12 | KiphereCE | anyone know if theres a way to make bars in trinity display on keypress? |
| 21:13.32 | KiphereCE | I really don't wanna write my own bar mod from scratch :P |
| 21:14.32 | foxlit | SetTexCoords? |
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| 21:14.44 | KiphereCE | huh? |
| 21:15.01 | foxlit | Not a response; was wondering what the correct function actually was. |
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| 21:15.37 | buu | Huh. Speaking of on keypress and stuff, is there any mod that would give me a set of action bars, like the regular ones that accept drag n drop and stuff that only show up as long as I have the button down and have their own set of hot keys and stuff? |
| 21:15.40 | foxlit | [It's SetTexCoord] |
| 21:16.42 | Hobinheim | so the __index of a meta table doesn't get called again if the value of the lookup is defined? |
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| 21:16.58 | JoshBorke | correct |
| 21:17.28 | Hobinheim | why is that |
| 21:17.42 | Hobinheim | i guess i'm not understanding meta tables then |
| 21:17.59 | Hobinheim | i think in a tied variable in perl, the written action would always run |
| 21:18.06 | Hobinheim | unless you did like a is self defined? |
| 21:18.20 | JoshBorke | the __index function of a meta table only gets called if the value doesn't exist in the table |
| 21:19.09 | Hobinheim | i don't think it says that in the documentation. or at least i'm not reading it that way |
| 21:19.46 | JoshBorke | http://www.lua.org/pil/13.4.1.html |
| 21:20.42 | Hobinheim | notobvious.com |
| 21:21.10 | JoshBorke | is for sale |
| 21:21.53 | foxlit | UIObject:SetID(anything) -- right? |
| 21:23.26 | Hobinheim | ahh i guess it "said it" in the code |
| 21:23.29 | Hobinheim | that's voodoo |
| 21:24.46 | Hobinheim | any particular reason why you aliased math.cos and math.pi? |
| 21:24.53 | Hobinheim | is the lookup to math expensive? |
| 21:24.56 | JoshBorke | reduce lookup time |
| 21:25.00 | Hobinheim | lol |
| 21:25.09 | Hobinheim | every dot counts... |
| 21:25.10 | foxlit | There's a cost to it, but it's mostly insignificant unless you're doing it a hell of a lot. |
| 21:25.21 | Hobinheim | i've wondered that in every language. if just a tree lookup (hash) is that bad... |
| 21:25.22 | JoshBorke | hey! it eliminates a single call every on update! |
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| 21:41.51 | Hobinheim | i ahh i get it now |
| 21:42.06 | Hobinheim | it just does a sinusoidal (ahh) change of the alpha |
| 21:42.13 | Hobinheim | merging between the top and lower values |
| 21:42.13 | JoshBorke | lol, yea |
| 21:42.17 | Hobinheim | i mean, i guess we all knew that |
| 21:42.20 | Hobinheim | i just needed to show myself why |
| 21:42.39 | JoshBorke | gld you got it :) |
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| 21:43.45 | Hobinheim | it's still a llittle voodoo though, haha |
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| 21:45.24 | JoshBorke | :) |
| 21:47.25 | Sstixrud | I am looking to make the code segement: http://wowi.pastey.net/5110 more efficent, Ideally I only want to pass the frames that match subgroup+member to InitRaidFrame() and hide all others, without showing and hidding the same frames multiple times for each loop interation. Any ideas? |
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| 21:49.59 | foxlit | Hm, what's the texture for an empty button? |
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| 21:53.53 | TheStig | what do the (boss) leaders of the capital cities drop or grant for killing them? are they part of a quest or do they give items or anything? |
| 21:56.19 | Swado | whats the /script that lets you when you type /5 for a channel, next time you hit enter it will open channel /5? |
| 21:56.20 | nymbia | TheStig: honor |
| 21:56.32 | foxlit | Growl, ID takes integers. |
| 21:56.34 | TheStig | how much? |
| 21:58.14 | Thrae | Swado: Uhh, WoW does that by default for me. |
| 21:58.55 | nymbia | Thrae: nah, you've probably got a chat mod doing it |
| 21:59.15 | Thrae | nymbia: I don't have chatmods except Teknicolor |
| 21:59.27 | nymbia | Thrae: well then you cheat. ;) |
| 21:59.49 | zenzelezz | Thrae: my stock UI does not do that by default |
| 22:00.09 | Thrae | Well maybe you have to say something in the channel first? |
| 22:00.16 | zenzelezz | even then it doesn't |
| 22:00.18 | TheStig | no |
| 22:00.22 | zenzelezz | only for /p, /g, /o, /ra, etc |
| 22:00.22 | TheStig | i have an addon that does it |
| 22:00.32 | kahdgarxi | not /o |
| 22:00.41 | kahdgarxi | get cirk's chat manager |
| 22:00.42 | zenzelezz | well, maybe not, never been an officer... but I assumed |
| 22:00.53 | Swado | a while ago i checked, and there was a very simple script you could type in when wow loads, and it lets you do it to those channels |
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| 22:11.06 | Orclev | hmm, I think I just got myself a temp ban from one of the servers |
| 22:11.34 | foxlit | ph? |
| 22:12.01 | foxlit | s/p/o/ |
| 22:12.05 | Orclev | made a error on the addon I'm working on and had a loop that was spamming AddFriend commands |
| 22:12.27 | Orclev | client slowed to a crawl for about 30 seconds then I got kicked |
| 22:12.37 | Orclev | now it freezed on connecting |
| 22:12.41 | Orclev | freezes even |
| 22:13.28 | Orclev | actually, it goes to a message that says Connected with a cancel button, but never makes it past that |
| 22:13.42 | foxlit | Hm, UI_Quickslot_Depressed is bigger than any other slot texture :/ |
| 22:14.14 | foxlit | That's just normal behavior, really. |
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| 22:15.39 | Swado | are there any good bar mods out there anymore? |
| 22:15.43 | Swado | i miss discord |
| 22:15.58 | axxo | bartender3 |
| 22:16.05 | kahdgarxi | bongo's isn't bad |
| 22:16.08 | Thrae | Swado: Bongos, Bartender3. Remember that action buttons can no longer react to events. |
| 22:16.09 | kahdgarxi | i miss discord :( |
| 22:16.19 | axxo | discord was crap tbh |
| 22:16.29 | Thrae | All that Discord could add is snazzy textures, which Bartender3 has some of. |
| 22:16.59 | Swado | i might try bartender, discord was my favorite thou, till they changed what bars an do |
| 22:17.21 | Thrae | Well, the only event the bars can react to is stance/form/stealth |
| 22:17.52 | Swado | wait.. so i can set it up to form shadowform? |
| 22:17.59 | Swado | and the bars will change on that? |
| 22:18.11 | Thrae | Swado: Lemme check |
| 22:18.26 | Saeris | Presumably. |
| 22:18.27 | JoshBorke | don't think shadowform counts |
| 22:18.40 | foxlit | Oh, that's a stance. |
| 22:18.55 | Thrae | Swado: Yes. At least for Bartender3. |
| 22:19.03 | Thrae | JoshBorke: Bartender3 has the code for it |
| 22:19.06 | Swado | is it? so i can have my bars do all kinds of funky stuff when i shadow form? thats pritty cool |
| 22:19.28 | Thrae | Swado: Only action buttons 1-12 I think |
| 22:19.31 | JoshBorke | but does it trigger a stance change? |
| 22:19.49 | Swado | that makes sence |
| 22:20.05 | Thrae | JoshBorke: It triggers the standard 1-12 page change according to Bartender3's code. |
| 22:20.33 | JoshBorke | i'm hesistant to believe you thrae, after Whomod and all :P |
| 22:20.38 | Swado | thanks |
| 22:20.42 | Thrae | Bah :D |
| 22:21.09 | JoshBorke | BS! the ball just bounced off my guy into the hands of the receiver! |
| 22:21.13 | Thrae | One cool feature I just thought of -- allow Bartender3 to react to more events out of combat. Dunno if it already has this or not. |
| 22:21.27 | Thrae | JoshBorke: I thought Whomod fixed that? :D |
| 22:21.51 | JoshBorke | man i suck at madden |
| 22:21.57 | Swado | Thrae: discord would technicall still work, just not in combat right? |
| 22:22.04 | JoshBorke | correct |
| 22:22.34 | Thrae | No, Discord would NOT work unless specifically updated for 2.0 due to the new Secure frame setup. |
| 22:22.42 | Swado | well that oo |
| 22:22.44 | Swado | too |
| 22:22.47 | JoshBorke | well, assuming that :P |
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| 22:23.03 | Thrae | Lots of the Discord mods have not been updated for 2.0, Lozareth might have given up |
| 22:23.47 | kahdgarxi | Thrae - he's working on one mod to replace them all |
| 22:23.56 | JoshBorke | one mod to rule them all |
| 22:23.57 | kahdgarxi | s/he's/Lozareth is/ |
| 22:24.13 | Thrae | Instead of revamping each patch, Loz kept adding and adding. The forced revamp to 2.0 would be monsterous, it would be best just to...do what kahdgarxi said he's doing |
| 22:24.35 | zenzelezz | lol |
| 22:24.39 | Swado | lol |
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| 22:24.46 | kahdgarxi | lol |
| 22:26.47 | Orclev | that's different... now I managed to crash WoW with my AddOn... I'm making progress in the wrong direction here |
| 22:27.12 | Saeris | Crash it how? |
| 22:27.56 | Orclev | logged in, the load screen appeared, and then I get an access violation and it goes down hard |
| 22:28.37 | Industrial | woot new crit record 235! |
| 22:28.43 | Thrae | Industrial: Twink? |
| 22:28.51 | Orclev | the fact that I can do that with a addon is somewhat disturbing, but not entirely unexpected |
| 22:29.14 | Industrial | no 30 hunter |
| 22:29.15 | Industrial | :P |
| 22:29.55 | zenzelezz | sounds like you have some interesting code going there Orclev |
| 22:30.10 | Orclev | my personal best is 502 with my lvl 37 druids starfire |
| 22:30.28 | Swado | my personal best is 2800 with a holy fire ^^ |
| 22:31.08 | Orclev | the problem is I'm having to create ad hoc semaphores which is never a good thing |
| 22:32.30 | axxo | my personal best is 12412 with soul fire |
| 22:32.41 | Orclev | hmmm, I should see if the crash is repeatable |
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| 22:33.15 | foxlit | Do CheckButtons have NormalText's? :) |
| 22:33.30 | End | well, they inherit from Button |
| 22:33.38 | JoshBorke | check the blizzard code, but i think they only have one text |
| 22:34.07 | Orclev | oh yeah, it's repeatable... whatever I'm doing kills WoW dead |
| 22:34.21 | JoshBorke | don't do what you're doing? |
| 22:34.47 | Orclev | yeah, I was kind of thinking that myself... problem is, I need to figure out how to do what I'm doing, without doing what I'm doing |
| 22:35.22 | JoshBorke | what's your code? |
| 22:36.44 | foxlit | [Correct answer: Checkbuttons do not seem to have an associated string, one is attached by UICheckboxTemplate] |
| 22:36.48 | Orclev | eh, it's rather complicated, but the short end of it is, I have a function hooked up to a event that also happens to generate that same even about halfway through. What I did was, add a flag that I set inside the function and don't run the function if the flag is set, but apparently there's something wrong with that as after this change is when it started to crash |
| 22:37.00 | Orclev | same event even |
| 22:37.36 | Orclev | oh well, I'll poke at it later, for now I need to go get dinner |
| 22:37.45 | kahdgarxi | mmm |
| 22:37.46 | kahdgarxi | dinner |
| 22:41.08 | Swado | Whats a good party frames and healing raid frames mod these days? don't say xperl |
| 22:41.28 | kahdgarxi | perfectraid is great for raids |
| 22:41.31 | Xolan | I'd say grid or perfectraid for raids |
| 22:41.34 | kahdgarxi | i use ag_UnitFrames for party |
| 22:44.32 | foxlit | http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/3687/rqsks2.png comments? |
| 22:45.26 | zenzelezz | looks nice |
| 22:45.30 | kahdgarxi | foxlit - looks sexy, but i wouldn't know how to use it just by looking at it |
| 22:45.49 | foxlit | Mainly about the class/group selection controls |
| 22:46.04 | kahdgarxi | ah, that's what those are |
| 22:46.04 | foxlit | Point taken, should probably add some text. |
| 22:46.06 | Swado | It looks good, well done |
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| 22:55.17 | Hobinheim | JoshBork1, it works |
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| 23:00.38 | Xolan | how do I check if a checkbox is checked? |
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| 23:01.23 | Guillotine | CheckBoxName:IsChecked() I believe |
| 23:01.28 | Guillotine | capitalization might be off |
| 23:01.35 | Xolan | k, cheers |
| 23:03.43 | foxlit | GetChecked() == 1, maybe |
| 23:04.43 | Xolan | yep GetChecked :) |
| 23:06.35 | foxlit | Where was SetDesaturation defined? |
| 23:08.07 | foxlit | [UIParent.lua] |
| 23:09.49 | Hobinheim | is there a way to get the boolean of something shown/hidden? |
| 23:09.54 | Hobinheim | like.. isShown? |
| 23:09.55 | Hobinheim | isHidden? |
| 23:10.11 | foxlit | (x == 1) |
| 23:10.25 | foxlit | bShown = (UIObject:IsShown() == 1) |
| 23:10.33 | Hobinheim | wow.... really. |
| 23:10.37 | Xolan | or frame:IsVisible() |
| 23:10.51 | Hobinheim | ty |
| 23:10.51 | foxlit | You may also consider IsVisible(); those two do things slightly differently. |
| 23:10.56 | Hobinheim | what's the diff? |
| 23:11.18 | foxlit | IsShown is whether that particular object is shown or hidden, IsVisible() includes the visibility of the parents. |
| 23:11.37 | Hobinheim | i guess is shown is fine |
| 23:11.39 | foxlit | [i.e. IsShown() can be true when IsVisible() is false -- if a parent is hidden, for example] |
| 23:11.49 | foxlit | [and by true and false I mean 1 and 0] |
| 23:13.24 | kaso | isn't it 1 and nil |
| 23:13.31 | Hobinheim | how come the devtools stack thing shows... "tables" |
| 23:13.38 | Xolan | yep, 1 and nil afaik |
| 23:13.47 | Hobinheim | "table: "xxxxxxxxxxxxx |
| 23:13.59 | kaso | those are Anonymous frames, frames created without a name |
| 23:14.33 | Xolan | so IsVisible() works without any comparison |
| 23:14.39 | foxlit | They all work without any comparisons, but they aren't explicit booleans |
| 23:15.35 | Hobinheim | hmm here's the fun part. learning about autobar and bongos enough to hide their frames |
| 23:17.05 | Xolan | using a /run GetMouseFocus():GetName(); macro should get you a long way. That way you can identify them with your mouse. |
| 23:18.24 | Hobinheim | run or script? |
| 23:18.35 | Hobinheim | is that not the same as dev stack? |
| 23:18.54 | Xolan | um dunno. don't use any dev tools :P |
| 23:19.01 | Xolan | run or script should both work |
| 23:19.24 | Xolan | lol Kruul's on a rampage in iron forge ;P |
| 23:21.53 | Swado | can someone link me ag_unit frames download please? |
| 23:22.17 | Hobinheim | uhh google for it against wowace? |
| 23:22.30 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5468-ag_UnitFrames.html |
| 23:22.39 | Swado | thanks |
| 23:22.39 | Hobinheim | garrrggg beaten |
| 23:26.04 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn, i think the search function @ wowi needs a tuneup |
| 23:26.10 | Cairenn | we know |
| 23:26.21 | Thunder_Child | oh...ok then |
| 23:26.27 | kaso | Hmm, i think ClearLines() uses some sort of C magic to mark lines as "free", or does anyone know something im missing? |
| 23:26.44 | Cairenn | thank you tough Thunder_Child :) |
| 23:26.48 | Cairenn | though* |
| 23:26.53 | Thunder_Child | np |
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| 23:29.57 | foxlit | Can I make a button inherit from a frame? |
| 23:30.26 | JoshBorke | yes |
| 23:37.29 | foxlit | Hm, I can't figure something out. How do I make a stateheader go from state 0-1 on click? |
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| 23:50.26 | foxlit | SetOverrideBindingClick(owner, isPriority, "KEY", "ButtoName"[,"mouseButton"]) |
| 23:50.33 | foxlit | Any help on the first two parameters? |
| 23:51.54 | foxlit | Hm, don't pass 5 into isPriority, crashes wow |
| 23:52.50 | Swado | if i have 70mb worth of mods loading, should i set script memory to like 75mb? |
| 23:53.21 | kaso | ha |
| 23:53.30 | zenzelezz | only 5 spare MB for them to use? |
| 23:53.35 | kaso | foxlit, thats really interesting |
| 23:53.38 | kaso | crashes me too :< |
| 23:54.40 | kaso | Swado the size of mods on your HD, or even when they first load wont be representative of what they'll use while running. |
| 23:54.49 | Hobinheim | what if... i nulled out onupdate... and set it for a timer... like 5 min |
| 23:54.58 | Hobinheim | and only fired when the elapsed time was > 5 min |
| 23:55.01 | Hobinheim | that wouldn't be too bad right? |
| 23:56.08 | kaso | how'd you mean Hobinheim |
| 23:57.15 | Hobinheim | like... keep collecting the elapsed time in a bin |
| 23:57.26 | Hobinheim | and don't do anything until that elapsed time reaches or exceeds a certain value |
| 23:57.39 | zenzelezz | that's pretty much what you should be doing |
| 23:57.42 | Hobinheim | i don't really need to be doing something all the time. i just need to do something at a specific x man seconds later |
| 23:58.48 | foxlit | this.NextUpdate = GetTime() + 2; |
| 23:59.04 | foxlit | if (GetTime() > this.NextUpdate) then -- Do stuff |
| 23:59.11 | foxlit | inverse order. |
