| 00:00.05 | Kaelten-Laptop | if anyone is having a hard time getting the patch, (like I always do), http://files.wowace.com/wow-patches/ |
| 00:01.57 | Karrion | so are there any api/ui changes in 2.0.6? don't want to waste leveling time when I get home from work having to fix things... |
| 00:02.07 | bleetah | doesn't seem to be |
| 00:02.32 | bleetah | there *might* be something in the pet action bar, as they allude to having it fixed but aren't 100% sure if it's totally fixed yet |
| 00:03.20 | Karrion | hopefully that doesn't need us to change anything *crosses fingers* |
| 00:03.51 | bleetah | wdn seems broken, so can't really tell... lemme grab another coffee and stuff, and I'll try to produce a diff here |
| 00:07.57 | bleetah | damnit, the addon kit program doesn't work in Wine |
| 00:08.20 | bleetah | someone else will have to do the diff, I'm not planning to boot back to windows in a hurry ;) |
| 00:08.59 | TheKarn | a diff is already on pastey |
| 00:09.56 | Karrion | oh cool |
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| 00:16.27 | TheKarn | bleetah, http://wowi.pastey.net/5442 |
| 00:17.24 | kaso | bleetah The Interface extractor worked fine for me under wine |
| 00:19.20 | Kirov | or you could always just go to http://wdn.wowinterface.com/ |
| 00:19.32 | Karrion | hmm on a quick readthough the only thing that looks like it might break addons is there seems to have been a change to the return values of GetArenaTeam |
| 00:20.04 | bleetah | 10757 - 0005:err:x11drv:error_handler BadShmSeg (invalid shared segment parameter) error (168) for X request 146 minor 2 serial 3513 resource 0xaaaaaaaa from thread 0x00000005 :/ |
| 00:20.07 | Karrion | newest version isn't up on wdn yet |
| 00:20.35 | bleetah | Kirov: (1) I'm not always online (2) newest isn't up yet, and missing a diffs since 2.0.3 |
| 00:20.57 | Kirov | because the interface didn't change between 2.0.3 and 2.0.5 |
| 00:21.07 | Tierrie|Work | where's that guy who works on wowwiki |
| 00:21.09 | Kirov | They're client updates only |
| 00:21.29 | Cairenn|afk | Tierrie|Work: - > Kirkburn|afk |
| 00:21.42 | Cairenn|afk | Tierrie|Work: also Gryphen |
| 00:21.50 | Gryphen | :o |
| 00:22.25 | Tierrie|Work | is that i want to say |
| 00:22.27 | Tierrie|Work | thank you |
| 00:22.34 | Tierrie|Work | for "Attack_table" |
| 00:22.50 | Tierrie|Work | kirkburn can bite me though, please let him know |
| 00:22.54 | Tierrie|Work | also give him my hugs :D |
| 00:22.59 | Tierrie|Work | :) |
| 00:24.12 | Tierrie|Work | hey if you dual wield, does your overall hit go down, or just your offhand? |
| 00:24.45 | bleetah | Kirov: yes, but there was a change from 2.0.1 to 2.0.3, no? |
| 00:25.30 | Kirov | bleetah - not sure actually |
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| 00:30.29 | JoshBorke | purl, hug Cairenn |
| 00:30.31 | purl | ACTION gets a running start and tackle-hugs Cairenn |
| 00:30.37 | Cairenn | :) |
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| 00:31.01 | JoshBorke | hadn't given you a hug in a bit :-P |
| 00:31.55 | Cairenn | indeed |
| 00:31.55 | Cairenn | :) |
| 00:32.32 | JoshBorke | good thing i have a new game to play while waiting on the patch |
| 00:32.37 | Cairenn | lol |
| 00:32.40 | Cairenn | what are you playing? |
| 00:32.54 | JoshBorke | i recently got madden NFL 2005 |
| 00:33.04 | Cairenn | ah |
| 00:33.11 | JoshBorke | i'm better at the gcame than i thought i'd be |
| 00:33.20 | JoshBorke | i can play on the not worst mode and win :-D |
| 00:33.50 | Cairenn | lol, nice |
| 00:34.29 | JoshBorke | TOUCHDOWN! on a fumble :-D |
| 00:34.49 | JoshBorke | ok, i'm done, time to play |
| 00:34.53 | JoshBorke | back to the addiction |
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| 00:42.50 | zenzelezz | bah, the alliance Showdown quest seems bugged |
| 00:43.56 | zenzelezz | at least on my server, for some reason |
| 00:44.30 | ag` | the quest deceive thy enemy is bugged |
| 00:44.34 | ag` | you can't get a new mask |
| 00:44.41 | zenzelezz | I have the same problem |
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| 00:57.06 | Nom- | hmmm |
| 00:57.16 | Nom- | Is it just me, or are thott/allakhazam pretty much dead in the water? |
| 00:57.30 | Nom- | Are there any other sites I can check for some info? |
| 00:57.34 | Tierrie|Work | wowhead! |
| 00:57.36 | Tierrie|Work | no wait |
| 00:57.40 | Tierrie|Work | don't use wowhead |
| 00:57.46 | Tierrie|Work | traffic quadrupled :( |
| 00:57.48 | Nom- | It's down too |
| 00:57.56 | Tierrie|Work | ampwow? |
| 00:58.17 | bleetah | thott's responding here |
| 00:58.56 | Nom- | not for me...well it's sporadic |
| 00:59.35 | Karrion | thott's slow as, but basically functioning for me |
| 00:59.37 | zenzelezz | works half the time for me, but lacks updates |
| 01:00.14 | Tierrie|Work | hey |
| 01:00.20 | Tierrie|Work | 2.4 million newbs crashing servers! |
| 01:00.29 | Nom- | ampwow did the trick :) |
| 01:00.35 | Nom- | 9 million, Tierrie|Work |
| 01:00.47 | Tierrie|Work | well, i'm only a noob in tbc |
| 01:00.54 | TheKarn | wowhead needs to hurry up with their profile system |
| 01:01.08 | Nom- | Everyone is a noob in TBC :P |
| 01:01.14 | Tierrie|Work | wowhead needs to like, be less cool otherwise it will kick every other site in the nads |
| 01:01.28 | bleetah | 'cept wowwatcher's :P |
| 01:02.11 | Tierrie|Work | ooh i like ampwow's jewel groupign |
| 01:04.02 | TheKarn | wowwatcher is ... amazing? |
| 01:04.26 | bleetah | is ... very early alpha.. as Tierrie|Work was talking future tense... ;) |
| 01:05.41 | Nom- | I only wish you could do SOAP connections from inside WoW :( |
| 01:05.55 | Nom- | How cool would it be to have a 'Get Thottbot Info' button on your quest log :( |
| 01:06.36 | Gryphen | used to somewhat |
| 01:06.37 | zenzelezz | I wouldn't like it |
| 01:06.41 | Gryphen | launched browser |
| 01:06.49 | zenzelezz | it's bad enough with people asking for coords and whatnot all the time |
| 01:08.40 | Karrion | there used to be an addon that added "Class: Hunter" to all item tooltips, that's about the same as grabbing all the comments from thottbot >.> |
| 01:09.41 | bleetah | pointless addon.. everyone knows all loot is "Class: Hunter" :P |
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| 01:20.27 | Nom- | hunters need more of a nerfing than they got :( |
| 01:20.42 | Nom- | I'll be glad when my pally is up in fighting condition |
| 01:20.47 | Nom- | Payback is a biatch |
| 01:21.48 | zenzelezz | oh for the love of god! Mobs that I'm never touching are following me all the way from Skald to Netherstorm |
| 01:22.06 | zenzelezz | this is the worst QA I've seen so far |
| 01:23.40 | bleetah | if we waited for any computer software to be 100% QA, we'd still be having arguments about the size of beads on the abacus |
| 01:24.17 | zenzelezz | well, having flame elementals chase me from Skal all the way to (now) Area 52 seems like a huge bug |
| 01:25.12 | Nom- | lol quality :P |
| 01:25.14 | zenzelezz | the chase, give up, and then out of nowhere another comes |
| 01:25.50 | zenzelezz | *they |
| 01:25.58 | wereHamster | they love you.. don't you see it? |
| 01:26.29 | zenzelezz | I really wish I could share everyone's amusement, but so far it has cost me 10g in repairs; and even with gold coming out of nowhere like in BC that isn't right for a bug |
| 01:27.38 | Corrodias | PENIS BUCKET |
| 01:27.41 | kaso | what level are you? |
| 01:27.44 | zenzelezz | 68 |
| 01:27.50 | Cairenn | if you say so Corrodias .... |
| 01:27.56 | Corrodias | i do. |
| 01:28.01 | Outlaw | if you're able to run that far without dying, you should kill them :p |
| 01:28.03 | Cairenn | well okay then |
| 01:28.32 | zenzelezz | Outlaw: if I had the HP to kill them I would |
| 01:28.49 | zenzelezz | but by the time they tried to gank me I was way low on health, and out of cooldowns |
| 01:28.50 | Corrodias | Tierrie|Work: wowhead needs a little improvement, yet |
| 01:29.13 | Outlaw | well by then you should have regened some health! |
| 01:29.17 | Corrodias | for one thing, their quest pages don't indicate prerequisites or .. uh.. the next ones. |
| 01:29.21 | zenzelezz | can't regen while in combat |
| 01:29.39 | Karrion | postrequisites? >.> |
| 01:29.40 | Outlaw | pretty sure you still regen health in combat, just at a lot slower rate |
| 01:29.52 | zenzelezz | mine was static anyhow |
| 01:30.00 | kahdgarxi|sleep | so... auth server's screwed? |
| 01:30.04 | Karrion | nope, no health regen in combat |
| 01:30.09 | Outlaw | hrm |
| 01:30.12 | Outlaw | oh well |
| 01:30.28 | Karrion | I mean, the event we get on entering combat is PLAYER_REGEN_DISABLED, for a start ;-) |
| 01:30.45 | Corrodias | sometimes i think that i really should pick up the database addons to help out with filling those sites up with info. then again, i am so far behind everyone else that i wonder if i'd have anything worthwhile to contribute |
| 01:30.53 | Outlaw | Well mana still regens in combat |
| 01:31.09 | Karrion | yeah, mana does, bit health doesn't |
| 01:31.24 | Outlaw | anyway |
| 01:31.40 | Outlaw | Blizzard doesn't always use event names that make sense, like combat log :p |
| 01:31.49 | Corrodias | i don't really have an excuse. i should get the addons. |
| 01:32.01 | Karrion | hehe true |
| 01:32.50 | kremonte | Corrodias: bloated memory usage? |
| 01:33.13 | Corrodias | i have plenty of memory. no worries there. |
| 01:33.18 | kremonte | shhh |
| 01:33.21 | kremonte | that's your excuse |
| 01:33.23 | kremonte | stick with it |
| 01:33.34 | Corrodias | although firefox is currently taking about 1.4gb so i need to close and restart it again |
| 01:33.54 | zenzelezz | that's a lot of porn |
| 01:33.56 | kremonte | holy hell have you been loading java apps for the past year in the same instance? .-. |
| 01:34.24 | Corrodias | no, but plenty of image browsing, WoW talent calculators, forums, webcomics, and etc |
| 01:34.45 | zenzelezz | <Corrodias> no, but plenty of image browsing <--- see, I was right |
| 01:35.17 | Outlaw | that would explain his earlier comment |
| 01:38.12 | kremonte | anyone else getting stuck at authenticating? |
| 01:38.46 | Corrodias | firefox never releases memory |
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| 01:44.32 | kremonte | ugh i relog just to add a new file and i can't log back in |
| 01:44.40 | TC_Working | http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=584#comic |
| 01:44.44 | kahdgarxi | yeah, auth server's pooched |
| 01:45.09 | kremonte | lol TC_Working |
| 01:45.16 | kahdgarxi | lol TC_Working |
| 01:45.40 | TC_Working | thats what i do all day, read comics |
| 01:45.46 | TC_Working | i post the good ones here |
| 01:46.11 | kahdgarxi | TC_Working- and you get paid, what, 50k for this? |
| 01:46.17 | TC_Working | hardly |
| 01:46.29 | TC_Working | more like 90K |
| 01:46.37 | kahdgarxi | omg |
| 01:46.39 | kahdgarxi | diaf |
| 01:46.45 | kahdgarxi | and let me have your job |
| 01:46.45 | kahdgarxi | :P |
| 01:46.59 | Kirov | that's 90k dinar |
| 01:47.00 | Corrodias | i closed a bunch of firefox tabs and it was still using about 1.4gb |
| 01:47.14 | Corrodias | after i saved the session, restarted it, and loaded all the pages again, it's using 180mb |
| 01:47.14 | TC_Working | lol Kirov |
| 01:47.21 | Corrodias | it's just one big memory leak |
| 01:47.30 | Corrodias | and/or its plugins are |
| 01:47.54 | Kirov | As of Jan 1st 2006, the official Iraqi dinar-US dollar exchange rate is ID1 to US$$0.00067. |
| 01:48.14 | Corrodias | now's the time to buy some dinars. |
| 01:49.15 | Taktaal | if youre crazy yes |
| 01:49.15 | Tierrie|Work | :( |
| 01:49.25 | Tierrie|Work | i'd like to buy some dinner |
| 01:49.33 | Tierrie|Work | which of course, is iranian's currency |
| 01:50.03 | Taktaal | maybe thottbot should stop hosting their server in iraq |
| 01:50.11 | Tierrie|Work | its cheap |
| 01:51.52 | kahdgarxi | Authenticating |
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| 01:56.55 | Nom- | OMFG EPIC |
| 01:57.02 | Nom- | There's a boss called "The Big Bad Wolf" |
| 01:57.22 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 01:57.34 | bleetah | heh, PTR seems to authenticate |
| 01:57.40 | bleetah | or did live just come back? |
| 01:58.08 | zenzelezz | I enjoyed the boss "The Maker" |
| 01:58.15 | Tierrie|Work | Its part of the Opera Nom- |
| 01:58.23 | Tierrie|Work | there's a boss called Red Riding Hood too |
| 01:58.37 | Tierrie|Work | maybe |
| 01:58.39 | Tierrie|Work | let me check |
| 01:58.59 | Cairenn | hahhahahaha |
| 01:59.02 | Tierrie|Work | ok so wowhead is down and I am sad :( |
| 01:59.05 | Karrion | nah, during the BBW enounter a raid member gets turned into red eiding hood |
| 01:59.24 | Tierrie|Work | and get chased by the BBWolf? |
| 01:59.25 | Tierrie|Work | Nice |
| 01:59.33 | Tierrie|Work | what happensin Romeo and Juliet? |
| 01:59.44 | bleetah | I'm in |
| 01:59.44 | Tierrie|Work | do you get chased by a man with a large wand? |
| 01:59.46 | Nom- | omg lol |
| 01:59.51 | Nom- | That's epic :P |
| 02:00.01 | Karrion | not sure, only seen vids of BBW and wizard of oz encounters |
| 02:00.05 | kahdgarxi | auth server's back up |
| 02:00.09 | Nom- | I was just searching instances for pally loot, then decided to search for Librams |
| 02:00.19 | Nom- | And saw a nice one and then the boss it dropped from :P |
| 02:09.30 | Tierrie|Work | Red Riding Hood is mondo cool |
| 02:18.41 | Nom- | lol |
| 02:18.54 | Nom- | People on the Pally forums crying about pally being underpowered |
| 02:19.33 | Nom- | Aside from the Dranei Shaman who had more than double my mana, and hit really hard with Earth Shock, i've not been beaten in PvP on my Pally yet |
| 02:19.43 | zenzelezz | they want an insta-gib spell |
| 02:19.45 | Nom- | Even an uberkitty druid was fell a couple of times |
| 02:20.20 | Nom- | The guy doing all the crying must have had crap gear |
| 02:20.32 | Nom- | He was complaining about a mage doing 2 x 4000 crits and killing him |
| 02:20.46 | Nom- | I mean, at level 70 paladin should have something insane line 14K hitpoints, right |
| 02:20.49 | Nom- | ? |
| 02:21.26 | Tierrie|Work | uh] |
| 02:21.32 | Tierrie|Work | how does a mage do 2x 4000 crits |
| 02:21.36 | zenzelezz | fresh level 70 or well geared? |
| 02:21.39 | Tierrie|Work | the max +damage atm is like 700 |
| 02:21.47 | Tierrie|Work | maybe fire and arcane |
| 02:21.53 | Tierrie|Work | yeah i guess fire and arcane would work |
| 02:23.23 | kaso | <Nom-> He was complaining about a mage doing 2 x 4000 crits and killing him (remind him he has a spell that makes him completely immune to someone else's attacks :>) |
| 02:23.33 | kaso | oh wait |
| 02:23.36 | kaso | not paladint hat |
| 02:23.39 | kaso | nm |
| 02:23.52 | kaso | oh no, wait was it the paladin |
| 02:23.53 | kaso | im confused |
| 02:24.04 | bleetah | people who cry about classes being overpowered seem to me to be the sort of people who'd drop-kick (Australian Rules Football term... I guess 'punt' for you enUS) their video recorder out the tenth story window because they managed to record their football team losing |
| 02:24.30 | bleetah | constructive criticism is fine, overt crying and stuff is just silly |
| 02:29.29 | Tierrie|Work | i'd imagine if i was a paladin and as hit with a 4k spell I'd immediately hit divine shield |
| 02:29.31 | Tierrie|Work | and then heal |
| 02:32.53 | Tierrie|Work | i'd like a mod that converts all the purples and epics into green item levels |
| 02:33.03 | Tierrie|Work | so i can do a base comparison |
| 02:35.22 | Outlaw | oo fun, the game auto-enters the amount of money you're sending in the title now |
| 02:35.54 | Nom- | 4000 crits is pretty powerful, but with the right spec and damage |
| 02:36.02 | Outlaw | or maybe thats CTMail mod |
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| 02:36.08 | Nom- | he didn't say what they were, could have been pyro/pom pyro |
| 02:36.46 | Nom- | fire mage with double pyro crits sounds like it |
| 02:36.49 | Nom- | But i mean come on |
| 02:36.50 | Outlaw | Tierrie|Work you used to be able to do 2 x 4000 crits before the trinket fix |
| 02:37.07 | Nom- | That's a pretty damn rare occurance |
| 02:37.15 | Nom- | He probably had combustion stacked right up |
| 02:37.20 | Nom- | and burned a pom/pyro |
| 02:37.26 | Outlaw | well equipped fire mages have like 30-35% spell crit i believe |
| 02:37.29 | Nom- | at 70 you can get both, can't you? |
| 02:39.07 | Nom- | ah you can't |
| 02:39.08 | Nom- | oh well |
| 02:39.26 | Nom- | arcane fire works too |
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| 02:39.50 | Barbanus | Tierrie|Work, http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5819-RatingBuster.html |
| 02:40.10 | kaso | What's the point of the CoinPickupFrame ? |
| 02:40.16 | Barbanus | shows item level, and also shows "ratings" as % instead of like "crit rating by 13" |
| 02:40.29 | Tierrie|Work | i haves ratings buster |
| 02:40.35 | Tierrie|Work | but it only converts it to the itemlevel |
| 02:40.43 | Tierrie|Work | it needs to go one step further |
| 02:40.59 | Nom- | With a full arcane build, i wouldn't be surprised if you can break 1000 spell damage |
| 02:41.15 | Nom- | With all the level 70 gear giving you +int and mind mastery |
| 02:41.37 | Barbanus | I'm confused, itemlevel is supposed to be a base comparison, no matter the item rarity. |
| 02:41.41 | Corrodias | i'm not sure what kind of mage i'd like the most. i chose frost because it looked the most "fun" and interesting. |
| 02:42.01 | Nom- | Most people think frost is a pvp build |
| 02:42.02 | Tierrie|Work | oh Barbanus, its not, itemlevel is further modified by item rarity to give the developer a stat point pool to allocate the stats from |
| 02:42.07 | Nom- | I find it's a great all round build |
| 02:42.11 | Guillotine | what does RatingBuster have to do with item level? |
| 02:42.16 | Guillotine | its based off of the level of the user |
| 02:42.28 | Tierrie|Work | RatingBuster also gives the item level |
| 02:42.40 | Tierrie|Work | in addition to doing all those nifty calculation of % |
| 02:42.44 | Guillotine | ah |
| 02:42.48 | Guillotine | so thats whats showing it |
| 02:42.51 | Barbanus | Guillotine http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/small4711.jpg |
| 02:42.54 | Barbanus | hehe yea. |
| 02:43.19 | Tierrie|Work | you installed a mod, have some stuff show item levels and you're not sure which mod did it? :) |
| 02:43.23 | kaso | Tierrie|Work surely it should be trivial to mod Ratingsbuster to display ItemValue as wel, |
| 02:43.25 | Guillotine | I was wondering what was showing the item level.. I actually had 2 addons doing it, just didn't know which |
| 02:43.30 | Corrodias | i designed 3 builds with varying amounts of arcane and frost |
| 02:43.30 | Barbanus | BTW, the item in that screenshot is the best item ever |
| 02:43.39 | Barbanus | "Tanacious Defender" |
| 02:43.44 | Corrodias | i ended up choosing the one that goes all the way down to the elemental, although it's not too late to change |
| 02:43.45 | Guillotine | haha, ya |
| 02:43.48 | Barbanus | "Tenacious Defender", rather |
| 02:43.54 | Tierrie|Work | kaso: it probably would be |
| 02:44.13 | kaso | i feel a but coming on? |
| 02:44.32 | Tierrie|Work | its easier to get the author to do it! |
| 02:44.41 | Guillotine | lol |
| 02:44.44 | Tierrie|Work | also relieves you of the responsibility of having to update it |
| 02:45.24 | Tierrie|Work | so what else is a good site to do talent calculations |
| 02:45.34 | Tierrie|Work | because uh, uhm, wowhead is down :( |
| 02:45.41 | kahdgarxi | *cry* what happened to wowhead? |
| 02:45.42 | Karrion | ctprofiles? |
| 02:45.43 | Guillotine | dunno. I've just been using wowhead recently |
| 02:45.49 | Tierrie|Work | woo its up again |
| 02:45.53 | Tierrie|Work | its just being upgraded |
| 02:45.59 | Guillotine | we need to get some wowhead people in here |
| 02:46.13 | Tierrie|Work | something about "oh gnoz we have 400% traffic increase we're so popular! our server is on fire omgz" |
| 02:46.52 | Guillotine | ya, check out their traffic details |
| 02:46.53 | Guillotine | http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?url=www.wowhead.com |
| 02:46.55 | Guillotine | ZOOM |
| 02:47.10 | Barbanus | alexa isn't at all acurate of anything |
| 02:47.13 | Barbanus | But I wont get into it. |
| 02:47.39 | Guillotine | the number isn't accurate, but the increasing/decreasing trends tend to bwe |
| 02:47.40 | Guillotine | be* |
| 02:47.52 | Barbanus | Guillotine, not at all. |
| 02:47.59 | Guillotine | I've found it accurate for comparing hits over time on one site, not so accurate on comparing sites |
| 02:48.02 | Barbanus | Guillotine, get all of your users to install the toolbar. |
| 02:48.20 | Barbanus | you will see the same ZOOM! as you put it |
| 02:48.30 | Tierrie|Work | well its what happened in early december that caused wowhead's traffic to like quadruple |
| 02:48.47 | Guillotine | no, pretty sure it was the TBC contest that did that |
| 02:48.50 | Guillotine | the people trying to get into beta |
| 02:49.20 | Corrodias | i like allakhazam better... |
| 02:49.38 | Guillotine | I don't like allakhazam much. Partly because its so dang hard to spell |
| 02:49.39 | kremonte | any german speakers here? |
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| 02:50.29 | Corrodias | yeah, well, its interface is top-notch |
| 02:50.41 | Corrodias | quest chains! |
| 02:51.00 | Guillotine | I do like the fact that it has the actual item IDs |
| 02:51.13 | Barbanus | Yea, that just makes sense ... |
| 02:51.26 | Barbanus | I dont get why they wouldn't use itemids elsewhere |
| 02:51.57 | Tierrie|Work | what do you think of this mage build http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=obxVcRczthuioZVVMhc |
| 02:52.17 | Corrodias | what good do itemid's do anyone? |
| 02:52.26 | Tierrie|Work | i don't know why youd' want to see item id |
| 02:53.01 | kremonte | Guillotine: wowhead has item ids :P |
| 02:53.04 | Karrion | can be useful to use item ids when you're exporting data with a mod |
| 02:53.06 | kremonte | and its prettier |
| 02:53.11 | Guillotine | I know. I said I like wowhead better |
| 02:53.42 | Corrodias | it's not prettier |
| 02:53.43 | Corrodias | too much plain black space for my taste |
| 02:53.43 | kremonte | Guillotine: see thats what happens when i read half conversations |
| 02:54.17 | Guillotine | I personally like it better. More simplistic |
| 02:54.22 | Tierrie|Work | me too |
| 02:54.23 | Tierrie|Work | its like google |
| 02:54.31 | Tierrie|Work | and its search engine seems to always nail what i want |
| 02:54.48 | kremonte | any german or spanish speakers here? |
| 02:54.51 | Tierrie|Work | i hate thottbot's database, there's like no culling or quality control |
| 02:54.54 | Tierrie|Work | nien |
| 02:54.58 | Tierrie|Work | no hablo espanol |
| 02:55.02 | Corrodias | i can't find any indication of quest chains in wowhead |
| 02:55.25 | Tierrie|Work | quests don't chain in the traditional way often in TBC |
| 02:55.44 | Tierrie|Work | finishing a quest, then having another pop up on another NPC next to the guy you just spoke to, isn't tracked |
| 02:55.48 | Tierrie|Work | it isnt' trackewd in thottbot either |
| 02:56.05 | kremonte | i need translations for "Sell your junk!" in spanish and german >< |
| 02:56.39 | Corrodias | that doesn't answer my question |
| 02:56.42 | Tierrie|Work | bablefish |
| 02:56.44 | Tierrie|Work | babelfish |
| 02:56.59 | Tierrie|Work | whats your question? |
| 02:57.09 | Corrodias | does wowhead attempt to track quest chains? |
| 02:57.28 | Guillotine | nope |
| 02:57.32 | Guillotine | the disadvantage of it |
| 02:57.34 | Corrodias | if i hear about a cool item, and i find on wowhead that it's a quest reward, but the quest is unavailable, can i figure out how to get it? |
| 02:57.55 | Tierrie|Work | the database is still fairly new |
| 02:58.07 | Guillotine | indeed. Also, wowhead doesn't use datamining |
| 02:58.12 | Tierrie|Work | it doesnt/! |
| 02:58.13 | Tierrie|Work | ?! |
| 02:58.19 | Tierrie|Work | oh datamining! |
| 02:58.21 | Tierrie|Work | ok ok i get it |
| 02:58.33 | Corrodias | i don't get it |
| 02:58.39 | Tierrie|Work | well i think it does, I saw twin blades of azzeroth once |
| 02:59.11 | Corrodias | how do you suggest a site would do that? |
| 02:59.21 | Guillotine | Corrodias: most of the other sites do |
| 02:59.33 | Corrodias | once again, that doesn't answer my question |
| 02:59.42 | Guillotine | by searching mpq |
| 02:59.47 | Corrodias | i'm getting pretty good at identifying when people give me answers to questions i didn't ask :) |
| 03:00.04 | Guillotine | lol |
| 03:00.15 | kremonte | Corrodias: beyond mining the MPQs, i believe i heard akz had emuservers ran to fully populate their item caches |
| 03:00.59 | Corrodias | interesting |
| 03:02.19 | kremonte | anyone around speak german? |
| 03:02.44 | Corrodias | nein |
| 03:02.56 | kremonte | gah |
| 03:03.54 | Corrodias | i'm so glad dishonorable kills are gone. i think. i never really wanted to pvp anyway. |
| 03:04.29 | Tierrie|Work | i dont like the fact that thott and allakhazam are both owned by |
| 03:04.30 | Tierrie|Work | uhm |
| 03:04.43 | Taktaal | for running emulated servers you'd need an item database |
| 03:04.44 | kremonte | only way DK removal has affected me has been people killing XR guards, lol |
| 03:05.17 | Corrodias | Tierrie|Work: some gold-selling outfit, or so i heard? |
| 03:05.29 | Taktaal | yeah IGN |
| 03:05.33 | Corrodias | however, they don't try to sell gold through alla. it's not like i'm paying them anything. |
| 03:05.51 | Tierrie|Work | IGN! |
| 03:05.52 | Tierrie|Work | that's right |
| 03:06.02 | Tierrie|Work | uh |
| 03:06.04 | Tierrie|Work | IGE I think |
| 03:06.09 | Tierrie|Work | IGN is a gaming network |
| 03:06.11 | Corrodias | IGN? don't they have game news and reviews? |
| 03:06.14 | Guillotine | alright, I'm having a strange bug. A bunch of items are missing icons, data, and models |
| 03:06.20 | Tierrie|Work | I always get those two mixed up |
| 03:06.32 | kremonte | Guillotine: close WoW and delete itemcache.wdb |
| 03:06.32 | Guillotine | used repair resetting everything and its still happening :/ |
| 03:06.39 | Guillotine | did that |
| 03:06.44 | kremonte | closed WoW first i'm guessing? |
| 03:06.49 | Cairenn | oh for the love of god, that again? |
| 03:06.51 | Tierrie|Work | yeap, thottbot and allakhazam are both owned by IGE (not IGN) |
| 03:07.06 | kremonte | Cairenn: grats on the credits :D |
| 03:07.06 | Cairenn | IGE does NOT own Alla's |
| 03:07.10 | Cairenn | kremonte: thanks |
| 03:07.13 | Tierrie|Work | no? |
| 03:07.15 | Cairenn | no |
| 03:07.37 | Corrodias | maybe i'm thinking of hearing about thottbot. i like them all because they provide me information. |
| 03:07.50 | Cairenn | Alla's + Thott + *Interface = Zam Network |
| 03:08.02 | Cairenn | Zam Network is owned by Affinity Media |
| 03:08.10 | Cairenn | Affinity Media is owned by RPG Holdings |
| 03:08.19 | Cairenn | RPG Holdings also owns IGE |
| 03:08.29 | Cairenn | but there the "connection" ends |
| 03:08.45 | kremonte | thats a pretty long string of disassociation |
| 03:08.53 | Corrodias | and RPG Holdings is owned by AOL/Time Warner, along with the rest of the world! oh noes! |
| 03:08.53 | kremonte | dissociation? |
| 03:09.12 | Corrodias | disressociation |
| 03:09.16 | Cairenn | go read this |
| 03:09.17 | Cairenn | http://www.vginterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=134 |
| 03:09.21 | kremonte | disressociation doesnt sound right at all |
| 03:09.28 | Corrodias | i made it up |
| 03:09.31 | Taktaal | dissimilation |
| 03:10.36 | Tierrie|Work | dude |
| 03:10.45 | Tierrie|Work | how come your description brought up Kentucky Fried Chicken |
| 03:10.48 | Tierrie|Work | what did they ever do |
| 03:10.50 | Cairenn | read it |
| 03:10.57 | Corrodias | "Powerlevelling services? Account selling? Our rules clearly state that we will not allow such things on our sites." |
| 03:11.00 | Cairenn | I'm using an anolgy |
| 03:11.07 | Corrodias | does this include even if the publisher/developer allows that in the game? |
| 03:11.41 | Corrodias | and what's RMT? |
| 03:12.18 | Cairenn | Corrodias: referring to SOE's "Station Exchange"? |
| 03:12.33 | Cairenn | RMT = Real Money Transfer |
| 03:12.50 | Cairenn | powerlevelling/account selling/item selling/gold selling for RL cash |
| 03:12.51 | Tierrie|Work | oh my god |
| 03:12.56 | Tierrie|Work | i just loaned a friend 3000g |
| 03:13.00 | Tierrie|Work | i just gave her $1k |
| 03:13.08 | Tierrie|Work | O_O |
| 03:13.11 | kremonte | ._. |
| 03:13.21 | Cairenn | did she *pay* you for it? |
| 03:13.22 | Corrodias | theoretically, if a publisher had no problem with people selling their accounts to other players |
| 03:13.23 | kremonte | 3000g isnt 1k anymore |
| 03:13.30 | Tierrie|Work | oh not anymore i guess |
| 03:13.32 | Corrodias | i'm not familiar with whatever Sony does in their games |
| 03:13.38 | Corrodias | i really don't like Sony or anything they do |
| 03:13.41 | kremonte | by 64 i've made 600g, just from grinding :P |
| 03:16.04 | Corrodias | Second Life supports the exchange of real money for game money. i can see three options: 1) you would refuse to operate a SL Interface site; 2) you would operate one but not allow the discussion of such transactions; 3) you would make an exception because the statement had assumed that publishers didn't like it. |
| 03:16.29 | Corrodias | i could be missing some |
| 03:17.16 | Cairenn | We haven't even looked at Second Lifel, I'm completely unfamiliar with them ..... |
| 03:17.19 | Tierrie|Work | i'm still sore from Cairenn picking on KFC |
| 03:17.26 | Tierrie|Work | JOKING! |
| 03:17.26 | Cairenn | Tierrie|Work: I wasn't |
| 03:17.28 | Tierrie|Work | :( |
| 03:17.41 | Cairenn | I was saying that what folks are doing could be compared to doing that |
| 03:17.46 | Tierrie|Work | yeah i get it now |
| 03:17.57 | Corrodias | it's a massively multiplayer... socializer. its basis is mostly that people create things in the game and sell them as IP to other people for real money. |
| 03:18.11 | Corrodias | that's one aspect, anyway |
| 03:18.15 | Cairenn | ooooh, that thing ... I've sorta kinda heard a bit about it |
| 03:18.27 | Cairenn | but it isn't really an MMORPG, from what I understand of it |
| 03:18.37 | Tierrie|Work | hey is there a beta server up I can test my build on? |
| 03:18.55 | Corrodias | no, it really isn't. it serves as an illustration, i think, of when a publisher approves of people selling things in a game, though. |
| 03:19.00 | Cairenn | and as such, we wouldn't even look at it, so the question becomes moot |
| 03:19.04 | Tierrie|Work | i hear about 2nd life all the time, about people becoming millionaires or something |
| 03:19.14 | Cairenn | that's bizarre, imo |
| 03:19.31 | Corrodias | if i must find a relevant example, i did see a reference in that thread about some game allowing people to sell things to each other |
| 03:19.34 | Corrodias | i really don't know what the game is |
| 03:19.40 | Cairenn | Corrodias: what the game companies choose to do is their business |
| 03:19.59 | Cairenn | what we are saying is that we categorically will not allow the *secondary* market stuff |
| 03:20.46 | Corrodias | things not officially supported by the game itself? |
| 03:20.57 | Cairenn | ie - IGE, ummm, whatever the hell that other guy was ... Yantis?, pick the site of your choice |
| 03:21.06 | Cairenn | lord knows you can find enough of them on google ads :p |
| 03:21.20 | Cairenn | pretty much, yup |
| 03:21.29 | Karrion | heh, or at least things that claim to be RMT sites |
| 03:21.46 | Cairenn | because those (the ones the companies run themselves) aren't "secondary" |
| 03:21.52 | Karrion | most of them are probably phishers for spammers, cc scams, etc |
| 03:22.03 | Cairenn | and trojans and keyloggers and ... |
| 03:22.48 | Cairenn | if it is run by the company that owns the product in the first place, then it isn't a "secondary market" |
| 03:23.09 | Cairenn | it's their product, they are allowed to do whatever the hell they want to with it |
| 03:23.34 | Cairenn | ie Sony's Station Exchange |
| 03:23.49 | Corrodias | i understand that you're not trying to force the owner of the game to allow or disallow anything |
| 03:23.59 | Cairenn | so no, I don't feel that that is a contradiction in our policy at all |
| 03:24.17 | Cairenn | we have sites for SOE - EQ & EQ2 |
| 03:24.31 | Corrodias | i'm also not suggesting any contradiction. i'm just curious, since you said that you don't allow anybody to talk about real money transfer, if you make an exception when the publishers allow it? |
| 03:24.51 | Corrodias | i guess i assumed that the statement was based on the assumption that it's not allowed, such as in WoW's case |
| 03:25.06 | Cairenn | if it is the context of what is run by the company itself, then yes, it is alllowed |
| 03:25.56 | Cairenn | what we're referring to is the folks that come on our sites posting links to their "secondary market" sites - don't do it, it'll get you banned |
| 03:26.33 | Cairenn | if you (general usage) want to discuss the secondary market in a hypothetical sense, we will allow it |
| 03:26.46 | Cairenn | if you are advertising it, though, then no, not allowed |
| 03:27.39 | kergoth | anyone happen to have a documentation/layout/styles.css from wow/data/enus/base-enus.mpq, from version 2.0.5 handy? cant apply 2.0.6 to my tbc beta client :P |
| 03:28.57 | Cairenn | Corrodias: did I manage to answer what you are trying to ask? :) |
| 03:29.08 | Corrodias | i believe so |
| 03:29.12 | Cairenn | k |
| 03:30.13 | Corrodias | man, draenor got fucked up when it blew apart. |
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| 03:36.11 | Cairenn | Okay, this newest version of Gaim seems to be having some problems. These random crashes are somewhat annoying. Hopefully they'll work all the bugs out soon. |
| 03:36.45 | bleetah | it's Wingaim, don't confuse the two! :P |
| 03:37.06 | Cairenn | yeah yeah yeah :p |
| 03:38.07 | Cairenn | bleetah, sweetie ... bite me :p |
| 03:38.27 | kremonte | Cairenn: approve my mod? ^_^ |
| 03:38.31 | Cairenn | no |
| 03:38.37 | kremonte | please? |
| 03:38.59 | Cairenn | how can I approve a mod that has already been approved? |
| 03:39.05 | kremonte | i uploaded another :o |
| 03:39.21 | Cairenn | your point would be? |
| 03:39.29 | Cairenn | I had already approved it before you asked :p |
| 03:39.33 | kremonte | IME? |
| 03:39.48 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 03:40.00 | kremonte | you approved it before i could go into IRC and ask |
| 03:40.01 | kremonte | wowzer |
| 03:40.05 | kremonte | LIKE LIGHTNING! |
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| 04:01.42 | bleetah | suzanne vega is SOOO not grinding music... lucky I ain't grinding atm |
| 04:03.23 | Nom- | *sigh* I hate Telstra |
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| 04:03.49 | Nom- | How a company can justify charging $9 a month for 5-6 metres of copper pair, I don't know |
| 04:04.13 | bleetah | Nom-: hehe, ditto... hence even though I'm in Hobart, I'm layer 2 to a nice little ISP in Townsville, Telstra don't have anything on me! :D |
| 04:04.39 | Nom- | Except Telstra probably still owns the phone line |
| 04:04.55 | Nom- | And possibly the DSL equipment too |
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| 04:12.05 | bleetah | nah, that's all leased from .. whoever the hell SingTel are operating between here and there |
| 04:41.47 | WobWork | I figured it was all leased from telstra |
| 04:41.47 | Guillotine | alright, does anyone know what to do in the case of seeming cache problems? All NPC names are "Unknown", nearly all items are question marks and have no model files, many abilities are questionmarks and have no tooltips, and I'm not loading. I already did a repair, reset all cache data, ect. |
| 04:42.33 | Karrion | hmm if you've already deleted the cache wdbs I'm not sure what else you could do |
| 04:43.08 | kaso | My magic 8-ball says: "All signs point to reinstall" |
| 04:47.00 | Guillotine | hmm. seems to be some sort of corruption in the WTF folder |
| 04:47.05 | Guillotine | now to track down exactly what it is |
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| 04:50.54 | Nom- | Guillotine: Blow away all of the userdata folders |
| 04:51.00 | iRRVi | fink in hte drink! |
| 04:51.02 | Nom- | WTF/WDB |
| 04:51.10 | iRRVi | *the |
| 04:51.20 | Nom- | Whatever else there is...all the addons for instance |
| 04:51.24 | Guillotine | Nom: WTF folder fixed it. But I don't want to lose all my settings |
| 04:51.30 | Nom- | That's about as close to a new install as you can get it |
| 04:51.32 | Guillotine | so I'm going through looking for blatant corruption |
| 04:51.38 | Nom- | bah |
| 04:51.46 | Nom- | Doesn't take that long to set stuff up again |
| 04:52.04 | iRRVi | ah, I love waisting my time compiling shit for my cousin |
| 04:52.30 | iRRVi | (compiling/installing) |
| 04:54.31 | iRRVi | no... |
| 04:54.57 | iRRVi | god, this compile takes forever |
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| 04:55.30 | Guillotine | ~automootic |
| 04:55.32 | purl | /moo at all tauren you mouseover! (Only works well for alliance). Available at http://wow.curse-gaming.com/en/files/details/5591/automootic/ |
| 04:55.33 | iRRVi | nowonder I never compile my own kernel, let alone my own virtual server kernel |
| 04:56.16 | Industrial | why does it only work well for tauren |
| 04:56.23 | iRRVi | cause |
| 04:56.26 | Industrial | er, alliance |
| 04:56.27 | iRRVi | its awesome like that |
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| 04:56.44 | Guillotine | well, it works well for both. problem is I use hostile death event but not friendly |
| 04:57.09 | Guillotine | so you'll just only be resetting moos after your death if you're using it on horde, not their death |
| 04:57.14 | PProvost | I'm trying to decide how to respec by 62 Druid... I was feral leveling up to 50... 0/30/21 from 50-60... went ToL since 60. Now I'm considering going back to feral/resto or trying out moon/resto. Anyone have any thoughts on the matter? |
| 04:57.26 | Guillotine | feral/resto |
| 04:57.31 | Guillotine | all the way |
| 04:57.36 | Tain | All resto! |
| 04:57.41 | Guillotine | haha |
| 04:57.43 | PProvost | Hehe... I like healing. |
| 04:57.48 | PProvost | I'm good at it |
| 04:57.52 | PProvost | But soloing is a bitch |
| 04:57.58 | Guillotine | I do too. but if you're going mostly resto, don't get tree form |
| 04:57.58 | Tain | 0/0/51! |
| 04:57.59 | Daksafiya | :) |
| 04:58.13 | Guillotine | tree form < all |
| 04:58.14 | Daksafiya | tree form?!?!?! |
| 04:58.24 | Daksafiya | lol, f337 |
| 04:58.33 | Tain | Actually I don't know the first thing about Druids, the ones I've played with have all been asses. Every single one. |
| 04:59.00 | Daksafiya | what kind of an addon should Imake? |
| 04:59.04 | Tain | Which isn't an indictment of the class! I've just had bad luck in my experiences with people playing them. |
| 04:59.33 | Guillotine | I've met my fair share of ass druids as well |
| 04:59.37 | PProvost | Yeah, I think feral resto is what I'll do. I used it before and was a pretty good healer. |
| 04:59.37 | WobWork | Daksafiya: One that can punch people over the internet |
| 04:59.38 | Guillotine | as well as ass everything else |
| 04:59.45 | WobWork | Daksafiya: I'd pay you for that one =) |
| 04:59.46 | PProvost | Yeah, there are idiots in all classes. |
| 05:00.06 | Guillotine | Pprovost: you could try up to leader of pack in feral (lots of mana ftw) and then resto |
| 05:00.08 | Industrial | like warlocks that pve with an imp :S |
| 05:00.08 | Tain | Yeah that's just the bad thing, I've met good and bad with every class. Except Druids. I've only ever seen the ba.d |
| 05:00.13 | Guillotine | or if you want to bleed faces, go for mangle |
| 05:00.22 | Guillotine | Tain: you mean except for me, right? |
| 05:00.22 | Industrial | (i cant see how you would evern pve with an imp...) |
| 05:00.31 | Tain | I've never played with you, Guillotine ! |
| 05:00.31 | WobWork | fireball? |
| 05:00.31 | Industrial | (that is, leveling up) |
| 05:00.46 | Guillotine | sure you have. we were in a pvp match together on beta |
| 05:00.49 | WobWork | well if you're grouped with a tank and a healer.... |
| 05:00.50 | PProvost | wowhead is down... which is annoying the hell out of me too |
| 05:00.55 | Industrial | WobWork: yeah so the mob hits you instead of your tank but does sooner, gogo downtime? |
| 05:01.01 | Industrial | dies* |
| 05:01.03 | Tain | Nope I never pvp. |
| 05:01.20 | WobWork | why would the mob hit you? |
| 05:01.53 | Industrial | cause you do more damage then the imp, wich has very little hp (so id figure you want it to hit you instead of the imp) |
| 05:02.00 | Guillotine | oh wait, that was tem. sry, similar names |
| 05:02.02 | WobWork | If the tank can't keep aggro off you, VW's torment isn't going to peel them off either |
| 05:02.11 | Industrial | ... solo... |
| 05:02.19 | WobWork | I did say 'group' earlier =P |
| 05:02.19 | Tain | The mob hits you to take out his internal pain at being lonely on someone else. |
| 05:02.29 | WobWork | '/wrists' |
| 05:03.21 | PProvost | Perhaps 0/40/21... no mangle though... hmmm |
| 05:03.47 | Tain | Cheer up emo kid |
| 05:06.12 | Guillotine | running WoW in console mode is fun |
| 05:07.32 | Industrial | -_^ |
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| 05:10.41 | Thunder_Child | ~wrists |
| 05:10.43 | purl | You think you're getting blood on my carpet? Get outta here! |
| 05:14.54 | Gngsk | anyone know of the top your head if you can make a macro to use x mount in azeroth and y mount in outlands easily? |
| 05:15.36 | PProvost | Not sure if there is a test for that in the macro predicate logic |
| 05:15.55 | ^Alleyria | Is there a way to get Instance ID though API? |
| 05:16.00 | Guillotine | no test |
| 05:16.01 | Guillotine | yes |
| 05:16.31 | Gngsk | PProvost, yea that's what I was worried about, pre-2.0 I had a macro to use x mount in ahn'qiraj and y mount anywhere else |
| 05:17.17 | Guillotine | Alleyria: http://www.wowwiki.com/API_RequestRaidInfo |
| 05:17.26 | Gngsk | hmm, what about setting up an autorack event for my mount? |
| 05:18.27 | Tain | Damn I constantly rail against what I believe are the evils of pre-ordering games and I suddenly had a memory of me almost pre-ordering something in a drunken stupor. |
| 05:18.33 | Tain | At least I think it was almost. |
| 05:18.35 | PProvost | lol |
| 05:19.12 | Tain | Hopefully I'll get an email if I did. But I'm pretty sure I didn't. |
| 05:19.14 | PProvost | 0/41/20 I think is gonna win. I get Mangle now and can add enough healing to not be totally useless. |
| 05:19.25 | Guillotine | yup. and OOC is awesome |
| 05:19.42 | Guillotine | actually, I would suggest 1/41/19 |
| 05:19.47 | Guillotine | now that Nature's Grasp is usable in forms |
| 05:20.40 | PProvost | Wha? It is? |
| 05:20.46 | PProvost | Ooohh... didn't realize that. |
| 05:20.58 | PProvost | I like that. |
| 05:21.12 | Guillotine | ya :D |
| 05:21.19 | Guillotine | awesome for getting off a little heal |
| 05:21.24 | Guillotine | if you're outside that is |
| 05:21.26 | PProvost | Yeah |
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| 05:30.22 | Guillotine | off to bed, gn all :) |
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| 05:58.40 | Cairenn | WOOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOO! |
| 05:58.47 | Cairenn | She applied to 10 Universities on 4 Jan - She has been ACCEPTED by two of them already, one of which is offering her a scholarship! |
| 05:58.59 | Outlaw | grats |
| 05:59.02 | bleetah | oO big time grats |
| 05:59.14 | bleetah | and I don't mean the ingame grats whcih really means 'i don't care', either |
| 06:00.34 | Cairenn | okay, sorry, will hush up again now, just had to share, SOOOO excited for her |
| 06:04.41 | Outlaw | Not like anyone was talking :p |
| 06:09.23 | krka | damn it cair, stop with all the spamming already! ;) |
| 06:13.01 | bleetah | it's not working, gunna have to use caps :/ |
| 06:13.06 | bleetah | SHURRUP CAIRREN!!!!! |
| 06:13.33 | bleetah | she could talk a leg of a table, that one |
| 06:13.39 | bleetah | that's it, ignore time |
| 06:14.08 | pastamancer | Cairenn: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8185 >< |
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| 06:14.44 | bleetah | Cairenn: yeah, you really wanna kill that post, and user |
| 06:14.55 | Widgertick | Moo. |
| 06:14.58 | bleetah | and block their IP if it appear to be permannent |
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| 06:16.21 | Widgertick | Gah |
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| 06:16.24 | ckknight | okay, so I'm gonna make a char on my brother's server |
| 06:16.29 | Widgertick | More spam posts from the power losers exchange =X |
| 06:16.31 | ckknight | and I have essentially unlimited gold (from him) |
| 06:16.39 | ckknight | Hordeside, what class/race should I go for for longterm PvP goodness? |
| 06:16.45 | ckknight | also, can't be Warlock or Mage |
| 06:17.21 | Cairenn | heh, you'll notice if you go to the thread you guys just told me about that everything he linked has already been censored out |
| 06:17.30 | Cairenn | not the first time those guys have been by our site |
| 06:17.43 | bleetah | sue for vandalism ;) |
| 06:18.23 | ckknight | Cairenn: they did that on wowace, too |
| 06:18.39 | ckknight | his name/email/ip is blocked |
| 06:19.06 | Cairenn | aye, is on our site too, but they just generate a new IP and go from there |
| 06:19.18 | ckknight | yea... |
| 06:19.28 | Cairenn | it's not hard to fake an IP |
| 06:20.03 | bleetah | you got anti-spam modules in your forum? can you detect a post's content, and then leave it in forum administration purgatory for approval? |
| 06:20.43 | Cairenn | yup |
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| 06:23.14 | ckknight | what Horde race has the best PvP racials for a hunter? |
| 06:24.09 | ^Alleyria | Hmm... |
| 06:24.14 | Widgertick | Orc |
| 06:24.17 | ^Alleyria | Yeah |
| 06:24.20 | ^Alleyria | Orc |
| 06:25.49 | ckknight | I was told Troll by someone, but I was skeptical |
| 06:26.03 | ckknight | Orc for beastmastery or what? |
| 06:26.26 | bleetah | ranged bonus, iirc? |
| 06:26.35 | bleetah | don't quote me, been about two months since I played/looked at orcs |
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| 06:28.08 | ckknight | bleetah: damage done by pets increased, resist to stun, can enrage, +axes |
| 06:28.10 | ckknight | for orc |
| 06:28.19 | Outlaw | Anyone happen to know how you clear a binding set with SetOverrideBindingClick? |
| 06:28.38 | ckknight | for troll: berserk, regen, +vs beasts, +bow |
| 06:29.47 | Widgertick | I guess it turns into a question of what you plan to spec when you're 70. =P |
| 06:30.23 | ckknight | what's better for PvP? |
| 06:30.28 | Widgertick | BM |
| 06:30.29 | Widgertick | So Orc |
| 06:30.47 | Widgertick | The stun resist helps there too I guess |
| 06:31.31 | bleetah | and i'm quite good at it, too :) |
| 06:32.13 | ckknight | I dunno, does anyone recommend another class? I just have to be Horde non-Warlock/Mage |
| 06:35.47 | Outlaw | what do you want to do, raid or pvp? |
| 06:35.56 | ckknight | PvP |
| 06:36.05 | Outlaw | offensive or defensive? :p |
| 06:36.38 | ckknight | either, not sure. I've typically done offensive |
| 06:36.42 | ckknight | btw: I have unlimited funds |
| 06:36.54 | Outlaw | i'll require half of them for further information |
| 06:37.11 | ckknight | ... they're my brother's |
| 06:37.14 | Outlaw | shadow priest is a nice offensive class, but if you don't want to be a warlock/mage then you probably don't want to be a priest |
| 06:37.17 | ckknight | I'm going to his realm |
| 06:37.29 | ckknight | Outlaw: my bro and sis-in-law are lock/mage |
| 06:37.34 | ckknight | that's all |
| 06:37.37 | Outlaw | ahh |
| 06:37.58 | ckknight | I dunno, face-melting is an appealing prospect |
| 06:38.08 | Outlaw | Paladins are the best support class in PVP |
| 06:38.37 | ckknight | not 100% sure I'd have the resilience to make it to high levels with one, though... |
| 06:38.49 | Outlaw | priests are fairly easly to level |
| 06:39.05 | ckknight | how hard would it be to get a pally to 60 and beyond? |
| 06:39.40 | ckknight | I've always heard it goes really slow |
| 06:40.09 | Outlaw | They aren't that bad, certainly not as fast as an actual DPS class though |
| 06:41.23 | a-stray-cat | hmm, i seem to have a cartographer mining point just sitting in the middle of my screen (no map frames shown) |
| 06:41.25 | a-stray-cat | is that normal? |
| 06:41.44 | ckknight | hrm |
| 06:41.45 | ckknight | odd |
| 06:41.53 | ckknight | do you have the latest version? a lot of changes recently. |
| 06:42.17 | a-stray-cat | maybe an hour or two old? |
| 06:42.23 | ckknight | I'd update |
| 06:42.32 | a-stray-cat | alrite |
| 06:43.19 | ckknight | I dunno, have to weigh my options |
| 06:43.24 | ckknight | I heard Shammies are pimp... |
| 06:43.40 | Outlaw | I'm leveling a shaman right now, they seem fun so far |
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| 06:44.57 | ckknight | fuck it, gonna do a pally |
| 06:45.03 | Outlaw | have fun |
| 06:45.18 | ckknight | male or female... |
| 06:45.33 | bleetah | male... the females have HUUGE pimples |
| 06:45.37 | bleetah | (whilst crafting) |
| 06:45.38 | ckknight | upside of male is that I can have a male name, downside being looking like a flaming fag. |
| 06:45.39 | Outlaw | I have yet found a male class that actually looks good |
| 06:45.54 | ckknight | upside of female is that they're curvy, downside being that they're size-zeroes and I'd have to be female |
| 06:45.56 | Elenesski | howdy ... got a quick WOW UI question ... I have a dialog box that I have constructed with WOW UI Designer .. I want to save the values of the options .. should I .. (A) save each of the values as "SavedVariables" or load the values into a table then do a single SaveVariables on the entire table? |
| 06:46.18 | ckknight | I think I'm gonna do male, I've had too many people yell at me and call me "lady" |
| 06:49.05 | Elenesski | (you should do a lady, because 80% of the players are guys, and if you are going to look at a butt all day, would you rather look at a guy's or a gal's?) |
| 06:49.08 | Corrodias | the moonkin is so nice. at least outside. |
| 06:49.23 | ckknight | Elenesski: ah, true... |
| 06:49.36 | Corrodias | i like looking at my character. :d |
| 06:49.43 | bleetah | pretty sad if you choose your race based on looking at a virtual butt :P |
| 06:49.49 | bleetah | i'd rather look at real ones, thanks |
| 06:50.10 | Elenesski | look? touch is far better |
| 06:50.15 | Corrodias | cry me a river |
| 06:50.21 | Corrodias | you can be sad about it all you want |
| 06:50.32 | Corrodias | but i'm the one who gets the virtual butt :d |
| 06:50.56 | Elenesski | choose wisely .. because that's what you have to look at the entire time you play the toon |
| 06:51.23 | Corrodias | i tried playing a female troll mage, and let me tell you, it's true. |
| 06:51.31 | Corrodias | i hated every day of my life because she was so horrible |
| 06:54.42 | Elenesski | I hate the voice over of my female undead priest ... it sounds as if she woke up on the wrong side of the bed ... every single day .. what a crabby bitch |
| 07:05.33 | ckknight | hehe, yea |
| 07:06.38 | Zicon | Turning off error speech and never ever using emotes with a voice component makes undead so much better to play. *nods* |
| 07:06.38 | ckknight | Gnomes, too |
| 07:06.38 | Zicon | Female gnomes have GREAT voices! |
| 07:07.27 | bleetah | one of the two female gnome's /cheer is prolly one of the best voice emotes ingame ;) |
| 07:08.41 | Zicon | And they have the best /rude EVER. |
| 07:08.58 | bleetah | aye |
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| 09:05.34 | Corrodias | damn. my experience bar addon doesn't work with levels over 60, it seems... |
| 09:05.47 | Corrodias | it had already been acting a little weird, and i guess that's the final nail in the coffin and all. |
| 09:14.51 | Corrodias | woo hoo, someone updated it! |
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| 09:38.43 | Kirkburn | Tierrie|Work, you rang? ;) |
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| 10:13.05 | Kirkburn | Btw, just got a spammer on #wowwiki |
| 10:13.53 | Kirkburn | Dunno how they work, but his name was freeizgood |
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| 10:23.18 | Kirkburn | Something to brighten your day: http://www.funnyanimalvideos.com/panda-videos/baby-panda-sneezes/ |
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| 10:39.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | heh kirk he hit up the cosmos channel too |
| 10:40.09 | Kirkburn | rawr |
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| 10:42.11 | Kirkburn | In other news, here's a cool Wii, no I mean PS3 commercial: http://www.joystiq.com/2007/01/23/ps3-bike-commercial-this-is-living-this-isnt-even-trying/ |
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| 10:43.06 | Kirkburn | I never thought advertising your competition was a good idea, but apparently I was wrong. Sony think so ;) |
| 10:43.15 | ComicSansMS | greetings everyone! |
| 10:43.31 | Calibri | pew pew pew |
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| 10:44.59 | Corrodias | Kirkburn! |
| 10:45.57 | Kirkburn | Corrodias! |
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| 10:49.33 | zenzelezz | "The United States is a nation of laws: badly written and randomly enforced." heh |
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| 10:52.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | whaa, they changed the music back at the char select screen |
| 10:53.07 | Kirkburn | zenzelezz, lol |
| 10:53.14 | Kirkburn | Mr_Rabies2? |
| 10:53.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's back to the pre-expansion music |
| 10:57.43 | Industrial | whats the name of the draenei headpiecE? |
| 10:58.51 | zenzelezz | hey, you change chat channels while in-flight on the gryphons now :-o |
| 10:59.12 | zenzelezz | upon crossing zone borders that is |
| 10:59.24 | bleetah | yeah, i seem to recall that being something that happened back in 1.11 or similar, but vanished shortly thereafter |
| 11:00.12 | bleetah | it's almost as if they ripped the old braindead chat out, and replaced it with a better version of that thing that I recall |
| 11:03.04 | Kirkburn | Hahaha: http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2007/01/24 |
| 11:04.08 | Industrial | lol. |
| 11:04.42 | bleetah | hah |
| 11:05.01 | Corrodias | i had this feeling i was about to try some big addon, but i absolutely cannot remember what i was thinking of |
| 11:05.30 | Elkano | cartographer? FuBar? Ace2 ;)? |
| 11:05.56 | Corrodias | got all of those |
| 11:06.38 | bleetah | nah, if you want true bloat... fill your chars up to the max possible (10?), then grab auctioneer and scan the AH on each of the alts on the same realm |
| 11:07.07 | bleetah | and don't forget to /auc load always so it's always in memory ;) |
| 11:07.19 | Corrodias | dont that, except i don't have 10 characters yet |
| 11:07.21 | Corrodias | *done that |
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| 11:08.20 | bleetah | iirc, i think we investigated the possibility of per-realm SVs to stop the bloat, but got turned down :( |
| 11:08.42 | Industrial | ... why? |
| 11:09.02 | Industrial | thats nonsense :| |
| 11:09.15 | bleetah | who knows why Blizz really make any decisions |
| 11:09.33 | Corrodias | i don't mind bloat. i have 2gb of memory and my UI never uses more than 150mb |
| 11:09.47 | Corrodias | being concerned about 100mb here or there just wouldn't benefit me |
| 11:10.13 | Industrial | 150?!?! |
| 11:10.43 | Corrodias | i think the highest i recall seeing it at was 134mb |
| 11:10.55 | Kirkburn | How large was for enUS 2.0.6 patch? |
| 11:10.58 | Kirkburn | *the |
| 11:11.13 | Corrodias | 4,408KB |
| 11:11.18 | Kirkburn | Weird |
| 11:11.33 | Kirkburn | The enGB patch really is larger - 18.2MB |
| 11:11.53 | bleetah | pan european patch, surely |
| 11:12.24 | bleetah | the diff pastamancer did earlier today had a bucket of strings moved around in it, which could explain if your enGB is all europe |
| 11:12.29 | Corrodias | those euros need more patching to be satisfied |
| 11:12.55 | bleetah | the enUS mac patch was about 6Mb, I'm guessing Mac intel/ppc versions |
| 11:13.23 | bleetah | and maybe some more GL tweaks.. who can say ;) |
| 11:15.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh thats right, no directx on osx, right? |
| 11:15.52 | bleetah | yup |
| 11:16.01 | bleetah | correct |
| 11:16.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | ew, heh |
| 11:16.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | opengl hasnt been updated in years has it? |
| 11:17.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | at least 5 or 6 or so |
| 11:17.04 | zenzelezz | 2.0 is finalized IIRC |
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| 11:17.29 | bleetah | microsoft were mumbling something last time I listened.. kinda lost interest after they bought the patents, or talked about buying them.. or something.. /shrug |
| 11:17.30 | zenzelezz | and there's been tons of extensions to 1.x, which basically brought it to 1.5 or 1.6 or something in the end |
| 11:18.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | hasn't 2.0 been finalized for like, 3 years now? |
| 11:19.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | maybe not in the "feature locked" finalized, but supposedly soon to be released forever |
| 11:24.43 | Corrodias | clearfont! that's what i was going to try, again. |
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| 12:18.59 | Corrodias | i kinda like clearfont, but i don't know if i can live with all the changes |
| 12:19.21 | Corrodias | fubar's text gets smaller, which i don't really understand since the default clearfont text in the chat windows is actually larger |
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| 12:21.17 | Kirkburn | Fubar's text is controlled by ... Fubar |
| 12:21.52 | Corrodias | liar! |
| 12:22.17 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 12:22.24 | zenzelezz | don't spread such conspiracy theories Kirkburn |
| 12:22.50 | Kirkburn | There should be no noticeable design changes from ClearFont to ClearFont2 :) |
| 12:23.01 | Corrodias | LIES ALL OF IT |
| 12:23.09 | Kirkburn | :( |
| 12:23.14 | Corrodias | anyway, what i tried was clearfont2 |
| 12:23.26 | Drem | *cough* Scryers is better for casters *cough* |
| 12:23.28 | Corrodias | i do not know why the fubar font should get smaller |
| 12:23.30 | Drem | ;) |
| 12:24.18 | Kirkburn | Corrodias, are you talking about the font on the panels themselves? |
| 12:24.35 | Corrodias | yes |
| 12:24.44 | Kirkburn | It's controlled by Fubar |
| 12:24.59 | Corrodias | i'm not making it up, although i might be imagining it |
| 12:25.07 | Corrodias | perhaps i need screenshots with which to compare |
| 12:26.14 | Drem | so kirk, im curious as to why you think aldor is better for caster-dps and not scryers |
| 12:26.15 | Kirkburn | Look for goodness, make it larger using Fubar's options! :) |
| 12:26.15 | Kirkburn | *^ sake |
| 12:26.15 | Kirkburn | I didn't say that |
| 12:26.18 | Corrodias | he also thinks tauren make better druids than night elves |
| 12:26.18 | Drem | "Nevermind the fact I disagree with your choice of putting magic damage dealers in the Scryer column" |
| 12:26.30 | Kirkburn | That doesn't say I think Aldor are better ^^ |
| 12:26.39 | Kirkburn | They both have their strengths |
| 12:26.41 | Drem | erm |
| 12:26.45 | Drem | i ment scryers |
| 12:26.50 | Drem | err wait |
| 12:26.51 | Drem | wtf |
| 12:26.53 | Drem | no im all confused |
| 12:26.57 | Drem | now |
| 12:26.58 | Kirkburn | Scryers for crit, Aldor for +dmg |
| 12:27.04 | Kirkburn | Most people care about the shoulder enchants |
| 12:27.07 | Drem | the shoulder enchants? |
| 12:27.11 | Drem | pft |
| 12:27.26 | Drem | 18 dmg 10 crit vs 15 dmg 12 crit |
| 12:27.38 | Drem | at lvl 70 2 crit is like....nothing |
| 12:27.51 | Corrodias | yes indeed, fubar's bar text is SMALLER. |
| 12:27.52 | Drem | rather....15crit |
| 12:27.57 | Drem | 12 dmg |
| 12:28.20 | Kirkburn | Then make it bigger! argh |
| 12:28.27 | JoshBorke | morning! |
| 12:28.32 | Kirkburn | Morning |
| 12:28.38 | Corrodias | yet you claa~aaa~aaim that it should not be affected |
| 12:28.47 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 12:28.56 | Corrodias | Kirkburn is the prince of fonts and the father of lies! |
| 12:28.57 | Drem | so what does 5 crit rating equate to at lvl 70? |
| 12:29.30 | Kirkburn | Drem, look at the honored ones though |
| 12:29.55 | Kirkburn | Do not view it as if everyone is going to be exalted |
| 12:30.03 | Drem | who is going to replace their ZG enchants with 15dmg? |
| 12:30.14 | Corrodias | i don't have zg enchants ._. |
| 12:30.18 | Drem | .......................... |
| 12:30.22 | Kirkburn | Neither do I |
| 12:30.25 | Corrodias | i was on my way, but tbc came out before i got the other parts |
| 12:30.32 | Corrodias | i think i have a doll |
| 12:30.36 | Drem | u cant say aldor is more for caster-dps just based on shoulder enchants |
| 12:30.43 | Drem | take a look at the other items as well |
| 12:30.51 | Kirkburn | I haven't said that! |
| 12:31.05 | Drem | no? |
| 12:31.06 | Corrodias | okay, let's compare |
| 12:31.10 | Kirkburn | No! |
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| 12:31.28 | Drem | so how am i supposed to view ur comment u left me |
| 12:31.29 | Corrodias | aldor: staff adds spell damage, hit rating, and crit rating. scryer: staff adds healing and mana regen. |
| 12:31.29 | Drem | "Nevermind the fact I disagree with your choice of putting magic damage dealers in the Scryer column" |
| 12:31.40 | Kirkburn | yes, /on their own/ |
| 12:31.55 | Kirkburn | Aldor are also good for mgic damage dealers, but in a different way |
| 12:32.08 | Kirkburn | For PvP you want crit, for PvE you want +dmg |
| 12:32.11 | Corrodias | that seems to be about the only major difference, other than alchemy |
| 12:32.15 | Kirkburn | Therefore Aldor is better /in that case/ |
| 12:32.16 | Drem | i dont think its correct to say one is pvp and one is pve though |
| 12:32.42 | Kirkburn | Why? |
| 12:32.54 | Drem | because with enough +dmg |
| 12:32.59 | Drem | crit can be more useful |
| 12:33.06 | Drem | for example... |
| 12:33.17 | Kirkburn | Do not view it as if everyone will have amazing gear |
| 12:33.21 | Drem | my mage, having just over +700dmgh |
| 12:33.30 | Kirkburn | View it also from the perspective of a casual player |
| 12:33.52 | Corrodias | my druid has +200~ |
| 12:33.53 | Drem | well you have to view it has a raiding guild as well |
| 12:33.53 | Kirkburn | I had dungeon set 1 gear, I had barely any +dmg, and I make up most players |
| 12:34.41 | Kirkburn | Oh sure you do, but this is why I'm saying you can't confine magic dmg dealers to one column |
| 12:34.47 | Drem | i realize that, but several people in my guild (including myself) quickly looked through the items and pretty much followed the table |
| 12:35.04 | Kirkburn | That's their fault |
| 12:35.06 | Drem | now after looking at it more we are a bit disappointed we chose aldor |
| 12:35.09 | Drem | tbh |
| 12:35.16 | Drem | the table shouldnt even be there |
| 12:35.25 | Drem | ya, the note is there, telling people to look |
| 12:35.40 | Drem | but at the same time it is a bit misleading |
| 12:35.49 | Corrodias | isn't this kind of what Kirkburn is saying? he disagrees with assigning damage-dealing casters to the one side? |
| 12:35.58 | Drem | maybe make the note of scryers being geared towards high end raiding guilds |
| 12:36.04 | Drem | and aldor for casual guilds |
| 12:36.10 | Drem | thats what you should do imo |
| 12:36.12 | Kirkburn | If you wish |
| 12:36.26 | Kirkburn | Add it as another paragraph |
| 12:36.33 | zenzelezz | what makes aldor casual/scryer high end? |
| 12:36.33 | Kirkburn | I'm not going to write it :) |
| 12:36.34 | Drem | because i would agree with u that being a casual player....not many will reach exalted |
| 12:37.12 | Drem | the aldor staff is really not that great when u compare it to raid content |
| 12:37.12 | Corrodias | the two sides actually look almost exactly the same to me |
| 12:37.23 | Corrodias | a couple of points in crit RATING here or there is negligible |
| 12:37.33 | Drem | the trinket u get from scyrers is pretty good in terms of hit rating |
| 12:37.57 | Drem | im interested to see what kind of trinkets we will see in the raid content |
| 12:38.19 | Drem | the scryer ring is fantastic! 22stam and 33dmg |
| 12:38.28 | Drem | with 11 crit rating |
| 12:38.41 | Kirkburn | I have put PvE as Aldor and PvP as Scryer on the basis of the shoulder enchants which is what /most/ people will use - in fact, I'll add that next to it |
| 12:38.58 | Corrodias | the aldor ring has 22 int, 16 stamina, and 6 mana per 5 |
| 12:39.12 | Drem | ....wheres the dmg? |
| 12:39.31 | Corrodias | sorry, i meant neck piece |
| 12:39.38 | Corrodias | those things being side-by-side throws me off |
| 12:39.44 | Drem | i agree |
| 12:40.10 | Corrodias | i like that scryers trinket, also |
| 12:40.28 | Corrodias | other than that, i think i could live with either's shoulder enchants and other items |
| 12:40.30 | Drem | and kirk, i again agree that at the HONORED reputation aldor is better for PvE....but at exalted i would have to say Scryers is better for caster dps |
| 12:41.01 | Kirkburn | Most people will be honored though |
| 12:41.25 | Kirkburn | And people attempting to get exalted should know better ;P |
| 12:41.28 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 12:41.34 | Kirkburn | Anyway, I added the shoulder enchant note |
| 12:41.47 | Corrodias | hey, that's no reason to try to trick somebody on wowwiki, 'because they should know better' |
| 12:41.57 | Drem | lol |
| 12:42.15 | Drem | i know most people will be honored...but you should include views from high end raiding as well |
| 12:42.36 | Kirkburn | Don't mention the word 'trick', I've already had people pissing me off saying that :) |
| 12:42.49 | Kirkburn | The paragraph above does kinda mention it |
| 12:42.51 | Drem | YOU TRICKED ME KIRK |
| 12:42.53 | Drem | YOU SOB |
| 12:42.57 | Kirkburn | Were you the one I reverted? |
| 12:43.00 | Drem | yes |
| 12:43.01 | Drem | lol |
| 12:43.07 | Drem | i was a little out of it that day |
| 12:43.11 | Kirkburn | Yes indeed =) |
| 12:43.15 | Drem | i appologize for making the large change |
| 12:43.16 | Corrodias | i think... i don't care if i get +damage or +crit |
| 12:43.19 | Mikma | caps! god killed couple of kittens |
| 12:43.27 | Kirkburn | Nah, it's okay - you make good points, but you need to discuss first |
| 12:43.28 | Corrodias | i'm not hardcore enough to try to min/max so much. maybe i'm casual. |
| 12:43.41 | Drem | ive never really done any editing on the page |
| 12:43.50 | Drem | so im not to familiar with how everything works and what not |
| 12:44.18 | Kirkburn | It's okay =) |
| 12:44.48 | Drem | FYI |
| 12:44.57 | Drem | you have it on the table twice |
| 12:45.07 | Drem | PvE magic damage dealers (shoulder enchant) PvP magic damage dealers (shoulder enchant) |
| 12:45.07 | Drem | Players seeking PvE shoulder enchants Players seeking PvP shoulder enchants |
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| 12:45.35 | Kirkburn | lol yeah |
| 12:45.57 | Kirkburn | sec |
| 12:45.58 | Corrodias | so +damage is better for one, you say? i kinda like it either way |
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| 12:47.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | O_o |
| 12:48.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | some guy speaking russian O_O |
| 12:48.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | on a us server, bizarre |
| 12:48.27 | Corrodias | make fun of him |
| 12:48.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | he's helping me with a quest :p |
| 12:48.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | i was like, did you just kill this guy |
| 12:48.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | and get russkie back |
| 12:48.52 | Corrodias | make fun of him after you finish the quest |
| 12:49.06 | Drem | hey kirk |
| 12:49.42 | Kirkburn | sec |
| 12:49.48 | Drem | take a look at the note i made |
| 12:50.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | so are there no murlocs on outland? |
| 12:50.31 | Drem | Someone else has changed this page since you started editing it......lol |
| 12:50.37 | Kirkburn | mr_Rabies, no |
| 12:50.41 | Kirkburn | Yes, me |
| 12:50.44 | Kirkburn | Wait up Drem |
| 12:50.49 | Drem | ya i know |
| 12:50.52 | Drem | ill wait |
| 12:51.13 | Kirkburn | Argh, who killed the wiki |
| 12:51.20 | Drem | wasnt me |
| 12:51.23 | Drem | promise |
| 12:51.57 | Drem | o_O |
| 12:52.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | i know the naga used them, but theyre nowhere to be seen |
| 12:52.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | :O |
| 12:52.24 | Kirkburn | Drem, looked at http://www.wowwiki.com/Comparison_of_Aldor_and_Scryer_rewards now? |
| 12:52.37 | Kirkburn | I added your guild note |
| 12:52.46 | Drem | ya |
| 12:52.48 | Drem | i was adding thast |
| 12:52.48 | Kirkburn | Is that basically what you were trying to add? |
| 12:52.52 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 12:52.53 | Drem | yes |
| 12:53.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | mysql = dead, wowwiki= no |
| 12:53.10 | Drem | there was a little thread on the Death and Taxes forums that basically said the same thing |
| 12:53.18 | Drem | if ur in a raiding guild...go scryer |
| 12:53.23 | Drem | casual = aldor |
| 12:53.49 | Kirkburn | Mr_Rabies they are a native Azeroth sea species |
| 12:54.16 | Kirkburn | Murlocs are one of the oldest species on Azeroth, in fact |
| 12:54.24 | Drem | also, the scryers have the +dmg/+stam spellthread from tailoring |
| 12:54.35 | Corrodias | the death and taxes forum poster? he's nuts. |
| 12:55.15 | Drem | soo did anyone see their 5man Loatheb video? |
| 12:55.53 | Drem | pretty much the most boring things ive ever watched |
| 12:56.21 | Drem | 3 blue lines and a shadowbolt every few seconds for like 20minutes |
| 12:57.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | what did the naga use in wc3, then? i remember them using naga as grunts pretty much |
| 12:57.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | er |
| 12:57.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | what did the naga use in wc3, then? i remember them using murlocs as grunts pretty much |
| 12:58.00 | Corrodias | they shot particle cannons from their gravy boats |
| 12:59.57 | Corrodias | i am dominating all conversations in which i am participating! king of the hill, dearie! |
| 13:00.20 | Drem | aight im out |
| 13:00.26 | Drem | i should finish this paper before class |
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| 13:01.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | the heck |
| 13:02.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | they changed the demoralizing roar icon O_o |
| 13:02.36 | Corrodias | eh? |
| 13:03.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | its like |
| 13:03.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | orange |
| 13:03.58 | Corrodias | no wai |
| 13:04.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | looks similar to challenging roar |
| 13:04.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | but not quite the same |
| 13:04.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | changed feral aggression's icon too |
| 13:04.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | dunno why |
| 13:04.47 | Corrodias | now that ability i am not familiar with |
| 13:04.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | talent |
| 13:04.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | in feral tree |
| 13:05.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | same icon as demo roar |
| 13:05.17 | Corrodias | it does now, or it used to? |
| 13:05.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | still does |
| 13:05.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's a new one for both |
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| 13:08.37 | Corrodias | damn am i thirsty |
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| 13:29.06 | Taktaal | they added a new bug recently where icons sometimes swap |
| 13:37.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | hey look, guild <Nightmare of dragons> |
| 13:37.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | hahaha |
| 13:37.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | taktaal, it's a unique icon afaik |
| 13:38.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | it looks similar to challenging roar but it's substantially different |
| 13:38.34 | Corrodias | nightmare of dragons? why is that funny? |
| 13:38.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | because it's a terrible terrible guild name |
| 13:39.03 | Taktaal | we have a <Confraternity the Eagle> on our server |
| 13:39.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | and they didn't even bother capitalizing Dragons |
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| 13:39.45 | Corrodias | we have Defenders of the Pass, with Invaders of the Pass on the other side. |
| 13:40.00 | Corrodias | Bad Moo Rising |
| 13:40.40 | Corrodias | Ventrifacts, Fallen Tears, Echelon, Deathshriekers, Fate, Fates Fury, Casualty... these are the names that i remember |
| 13:40.47 | Corrodias | brb |
| 13:41.08 | Corrodias | it's not -my- pun. it's the largest horde guild. |
| 13:41.34 | Cairenn|afk | okay, will forgive you ... this time ;) |
| 13:43.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | <Dragonsworn> is the guild that if you're unguilded for more than 30 seconds, you'll get invited to, guaranteed |
| 13:43.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | even if you're out in the middle of BFE |
| 13:45.48 | JoshBorke | morning Cairenn|afk |
| 13:45.53 | Cairenn|afk | hi hi |
| 13:46.12 | Corrodias | nice |
| 13:46.13 | JoshBorke | what lvl are you? |
| 13:46.34 | JoshBorke | ok everyone, race/sex/level |
| 13:46.47 | JoshBorke | dwarf, male, 63 :-D |
| 13:46.50 | Cairenn|afk | human/female/never ask a lady her age |
| 13:46.51 | Corrodias | i feel so comfortable referring to the guild on my realm, but i know they have very little relevance to any of you |
| 13:47.03 | Corrodias | my main? a male tauren druid, 61.50 |
| 13:47.05 | Corrodias | approx |
| 13:47.12 | JoshBorke | i forgot class! |
| 13:47.20 | Cairenn|afk | high |
| 13:47.34 | Corrodias | current favorite alt is a little female blood elf mageling, 23 |
| 13:48.32 | JoshBorke | my favorite alt is a 44 male dwarf warlock |
| 13:48.41 | JoshBorke | i tried so hard to get him to 60 by TBC but failed miserably |
| 13:48.59 | JoshBorke | anyway, class time, bye |
| 13:49.12 | Corrodias | dwarf warlock? |
| 13:49.23 | Corrodias | is that even allowed? |
| 13:49.33 | Taktaal | nah |
| 13:49.45 | Taktaal | there were dwarf mages in beta but none after release |
| 13:49.51 | Taktaal | never any dwarf locks |
| 13:54.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | he may mean warrior |
| 13:54.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | or...shadow priest |
| 13:54.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | :O |
| 13:54.34 | Corrodias | shadow priest, maybe |
| 13:54.38 | Corrodias | i can see how he might confuse the two |
| 13:54.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | or he meant warrior but since he was in a hurry typed warlock |
| 13:54.53 | Corrodias | i have seen the joy of DoTs with my moonkin |
| 13:54.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | i do that sometimes |
| 13:55.05 | Corrodias | warrilorck |
| 13:55.20 | Taktaal | or maybe he's a dark iron dwarf :O |
| 13:56.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | i just got a fel iron rod for 5g |
| 13:56.37 | Corrodias | talk about MOONKIN |
| 13:56.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | only because i forced the guy to take 5g |
| 13:56.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | he was offering it to me for 1g |
| 13:57.17 | Corrodias | aaand what's a fel iron rod? |
| 13:57.19 | Taktaal | i'm stocking up on popular jewels |
| 13:57.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | a rod made from fel iron |
| 13:57.28 | Taktaal | they're never going to be as cheap as now again |
| 13:57.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | usually goes for 20-25g |
| 13:57.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | i dunno tak |
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| 13:57.41 | Corrodias | i'm not spending money on jewels or enchantments until i'm at 70 and have some gear i'll keep for more than a few days |
| 13:57.54 | Corrodias | sorry, tradeskillers |
| 13:58.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | as more people drop jewelcrafting because everyone has it, more jewels will be on the market probably |
| 13:58.48 | Taktaal | on my server most unworked gems go for 5g, and the finished ones for 1-2g |
| 13:58.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh wow |
| 13:58.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | ours are like |
| 13:58.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | 20g or so |
| 13:59.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | finished are 6-7 |
| 13:59.15 | Corrodias | apparently they prepared better |
| 13:59.20 | Corrodias | but i wouldn't buy the damn things |
| 14:01.07 | Corrodias | talk more. about moonkin. |
| 14:01.30 | Taktaal | moonkin cant talk, theyre busy drinking |
| 14:01.39 | Corrodias | i feel so damn awesome in outdoor areas, compared to how i used to do with my halfassed feral |
| 14:02.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | i could still drop you through a stunlock on my drood :D |
| 14:02.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | pounce, maim, bash, run off and restealth, pounce, maim, bash |
| 14:03.21 | Corrodias | of course |
| 14:03.25 | Corrodias | restealth? |
| 14:03.34 | Corrodias | oh, 6 second rule or something |
| 14:03.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | i dunno how long it takes to leave combat |
| 14:03.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | all i know is i can kill a PALADIN that way |
| 14:04.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | i killed one by pounce,mangle, shred, shred, maim, restealth, pounce, mangle, shred |
| 14:04.29 | Corrodias | if you can keep it stunned, i can't say i'm surprised |
| 14:04.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | i didn't even bother with bash |
| 14:05.03 | Corrodias | but there's something standing in your way of killing me that you didn't have to deal with for the paladin: i don't pvp |
| 14:05.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | carebear :[ |
| 14:05.40 | Corrodias | in general. i did a short rep grind for the AV mount, which was only a minor nuisance. |
| 14:05.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=31149 sold for 94g |
| 14:05.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | kekekee |
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| 14:06.07 | xlvii | can anyone connect to the us realms at all? |
| 14:06.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | mhm |
| 14:06.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm playing on them right now |
| 14:06.34 | xlvii | my account must be b0rked. |
| 14:06.53 | Corrodias | i totally don't have a pvp build, nor do i really know how to handle myself in pvp |
| 14:06.53 | xlvii | stuck on authenticating |
| 14:07.11 | Corrodias | in general, all i'm aware of is that other people can easily kill me because i don't know what they're going to do or how to stop it |
| 14:08.21 | Corrodias | "Do not cast Wrath, Starfire or any spell to deal damage with casting time once close combat has started, as you'll be getting hit and raising the delay (a.k.a. lowering DPS). However make sure there is always a Moonfire or Insect Swarm affecting your opponent because it is instant cast." |
| 14:08.24 | Corrodias | this is bad advice. |
| 14:09.34 | Corrodias | what am i supposed to do, whack it with my staff? haha |
| 14:09.45 | Corrodias | spam moonfire? there's a ticket for winning :P |
| 14:09.56 | xlvii | if it's close combat |
| 14:10.00 | xlvii | i'd spam moonfire ;D |
| 14:10.10 | xlvii | although, i have seen an INSANE melee moonkin |
| 14:10.27 | xlvii | like, 9k armor in moonkin |
| 14:10.43 | Corrodias | i'd waste the rest of my mana. i could take out at least one more mob with what it would take to moonfire something to death. |
| 14:10.45 | xlvii | and he did like, 400 per whack with his staff. |
| 14:11.54 | |FF|Im2good4u | cool 2.0.6 i hope they finely fixed my pet bar ! |
| 14:12.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | <Corrodias> what am i supposed to do, whack it with my staff? haha |
| 14:12.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | yes, cause you get mana back for meleeing in moonkin |
| 14:12.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | :O |
| 14:12.55 | |FF|Im2good4u | dr00d is such a wonderfull class they can be dps,tank and healer |
| 14:12.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | use barkskin and wrath, especially if you have the pushback avoiding talent for wrath |
| 14:15.46 | |FF|Im2good4u | Holy sh!t they fking nerved us hunters bigtime.. http://www.wowwiki.com/Patch_2.0.6_%28Release_Notes%29 |
| 14:15.55 | Corrodias | true, but not a whole lot |
| 14:16.03 | Corrodias | 72 mana every couple of hits, which are 3 seconds apart |
| 14:16.20 | Corrodias | assume 72 mana per 6 seconds. quick, yes, but in the meantime i'm getting beat on. |
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| 14:17.58 | |FF|Im2good4u | om i quit playing WoW this nerve for hunters is to much :( |
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| 14:19.44 | |FF|Im2good4u | we hunters are now compeltely uselss cant do dps and we cant do tanking and we cant do healing we as useless >.< |
| 14:20.49 | krka | dude, you can still use frost traps for control |
| 14:20.56 | krka | or ice traps i think |
| 14:22.35 | Corrodias | what changed? they have slightly less of a damage bonus than before for something? |
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| 14:26.41 | |FF|Im2good4u | I cant use those traps im not that kind on hunter i never use them and if i usethem i always break them whit a multyshot, but wut has cnhaced is that they runed my 1K arcane shots wile mages still get those uber leet damage we hunter get nothing |
| 14:27.11 | krka | wtf, not that kind of hunter? O_o |
| 14:28.19 | Corrodias | once again, which is not unusual, i have no idea what he's trying to say |
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| 14:30.37 | |FF|Im2good4u | im not that kind of hunter becase im like many would say a noob! but im not a noob i just dont have to use all of abilety's im fine whit ranged dps but they reduce it >.< |
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| 14:37.07 | Wobin | ... |
| 14:37.09 | krka | im not that kind of mage becase im like many would say a noob! but im not a noob i just dont have to use all of abilety's im fine whit melee dps but they reduce it >.< |
| 14:38.21 | Wobin | im not that kind of priest becase im like many would say a noob! but im not a noob i just dont have to use all of abilety's im fine whit melee dps but they reduce it >.< |
| 14:38.49 | krka | stop copying me :( |
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| 14:42.59 | Corrodias | are you making fun of the melee hunter? |
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| 14:45.14 | |FF|Im2good4u | ofc they are |
| 14:45.57 | |FF|Im2good4u | but im a ranged hunter but note it says ranged and traps arent ranged that the difference i always let my pet tank and i spam arrows as simpel as that |
| 14:46.01 | sancus | I hope to god you're being sarcastic and making fun of wow forums, and that your shrill nonsensical hunter babble isn't honest! |
| 14:47.03 | |FF|Im2good4u | hope is only for those that believe in it |
| 14:48.37 | Corrodias | am i too "casual" to pvp well? |
| 14:48.51 | Corrodias | maybe i ought to try my hand at the arenas |
| 14:50.05 | sancus | arena season hasnt started yet and theres really no harm in anyone futzing around with the skirmish modes |
| 14:50.28 | sancus | matches are also much, much quicker than bgs :) |
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| 14:56.24 | freakouT | guys |
| 14:56.40 | freakouT | id like you to add my server to the realm list :P |
| 14:56.46 | freakouT | Twisting Nether (EU PVP) |
| 14:58.12 | Corrodias | thing is, i don't like losing |
| 14:58.22 | Corrodias | but i can probably handle it better than some people |
| 14:58.37 | Corrodias | i just hate the ide aof having to do something unfamiliar |
| 14:59.32 | Corrodias | i feel so unprepared, despite having a logged a few hours in AV for a total of 3.3k kills |
| 14:59.44 | krka | "i'm a ranged hunter" is as stupid as saying "i'm just a water/bread/portal mage" |
| 14:59.55 | krka | learn to play all of your class |
| 15:00.11 | Corrodias | krka should learn to play how i play, not how he wants to play |
| 15:00.17 | Corrodias | and i say that people should only play druids |
| 15:01.30 | Corrodias | but for now, i sleep. 'ni |
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| 15:11.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh snap i just realized something |
| 15:12.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | alamo and leeroy are in the same battlegroup |
| 15:12.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | mine :O |
| 15:12.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | if they were to battle it would be beyond epic |
| 15:13.39 | |FF|Im2good4u | does this function IsEquippableItem() know if your class can enquip the type of item like "bow" on a priest ? |
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| 15:31.15 | |FF|Im2good4u | does this function IsEquippableItem() know if your class can enquip the type of item like enquiping "bow" on a priest ? |
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| 15:39.43 | Corrodias | no idea |
| 15:40.16 | |FF|Im2good4u | oke ill try it when this patch finishes :P |
| 15:50.24 | Kirkburn | Btw, Swift Nether Drake: "Seasonal Arena reward, increases flight speed by 310%, can only be used in Outland" |
| 15:51.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | mhm |
| 15:51.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | winners of ladder |
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| 15:51.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | get a drake |
| 15:51.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | 310% though :O |
| 15:51.56 | Kirkburn | Hell yeah :) |
| 15:53.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | oooh |
| 15:54.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | "secure ability toggle" |
| 15:54.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | how long has that been there :P |
| 15:54.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | er :O |
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| 15:55.46 | kahdgarxi | Mr_Rabies2- I believe I saw a blue post a long time ago saying that there would probably be other ways to get the nether drake |
| 15:56.29 | kahdgarxi | ^ & kirkburn too |
| 15:56.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah, probably a normal and standard epic speed version drop too |
| 15:56.49 | Kirkburn | Yes, there's a quest line in Shadowmoon Valley |
| 15:56.53 | kahdgarxi | what's the speed for standard epic flying mounts? |
| 15:56.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | 280 |
| 15:56.59 | Kirkburn | But that's for a normal one |
| 15:57.03 | kahdgarxi | ahh |
| 15:57.18 | kahdgarxi | any word on if carrots/spurs/riding enchants work for flying mounts? |
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| 15:57.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | yep |
| 15:57.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | not flight form though |
| 15:58.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | flight form also runs at 60% on the ground apparently |
| 15:58.57 | kahdgarxi | interesting |
| 15:59.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | whereas flying mounts run at 100% on the ground |
| 15:59.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | so i'll probably pick up a flying mount anyway |
| 15:59.52 | kahdgarxi | and how fast do they fly? |
| 15:59.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | 100% in the air |
| 16:00.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | er' |
| 16:00.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | 60% sorry |
| 16:00.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | same as a normal flying mount |
| 16:00.15 | kahdgarxi | wha? |
| 16:00.20 | kahdgarxi | that sucks |
| 16:00.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | well 160 |
| 16:00.28 | kahdgarxi | still |
| 16:00.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | 60% faster |
| 16:00.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | same as a normal mount |
| 16:00.35 | kahdgarxi | lame |
| 16:00.55 | kahdgarxi | *starts saving* |
| 16:00.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | whereas epic flying mounts are 380% without spurs, etc |
| 16:01.10 | kahdgarxi | geez, that's such a huge difference |
| 16:01.16 | kahdgarxi | regular mount -> gryphon |
| 16:01.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | taxis are like 450% or so |
| 16:01.43 | kahdgarxi | they vary |
| 16:01.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | 450% to 500%, depending on curves |
| 16:01.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | sometimes lower for vistas |
| 16:01.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | and whatnot |
| 16:02.19 | kahdgarxi | anyways |
| 16:02.31 | kahdgarxi | :P |
| 16:05.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=69683993 |
| 16:05.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | people like this are why i have my "no mercy for the stupid" policy |
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| 16:29.32 | Neebler | looks like I just found the next MMORPG I'll be playing, check out these screenshots: |
| 16:29.34 | Neebler | http://www.evilavatar.com/images/previews/image.php?image=www.evilavatar.com/images/previews/Aion/e_aion0022.jpg |
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| 16:31.18 | Cairenn | I'll see your link, Neebler, and raise you http://lotro.turbine.com/index.php?page_id=62&siid=7 |
| 16:31.51 | Neebler | oooooooo |
| 16:32.18 | Neebler | seems very.. expansive |
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| 16:35.29 | Neebler | I'd play a dwarf female with a beard. in that lotr game |
| 16:39.41 | KaoS` | how much is LOTRO |
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| 16:59.03 | |FF|Im2good4u | oke after testing.. IsEquippableItem() does not check if your class can enquip it :P |
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| 17:03.06 | |FF|Im2good4u | stiill hunters got nerved big time arcane shot from 450 to 390 and it crits muss less also |
| 17:05.03 | kaso | mm, with Steady shot and arcane shot it was a little too much i think |
| 17:05.10 | kaso | and they didnt change the crit chance did they? |
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| 17:22.11 | |FF|Im2good4u | its not in path note no but it used to crit a lot for me but now i hardly crits at all |
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| 17:23.33 | Rooster[DC] | Yay for hunter nerfs. |
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| 17:26.58 | kaso | |FF|Im2good4u surely you don't believe that, where's you're scientific method man! Write a addon to test your hypothesis dont blindly rely on "i feels like it crits less" |
| 17:27.12 | sergio | what hardly crits |
| 17:27.47 | ksteger | anybody here familiar with the auction events? I have a few questions |
| 17:27.50 | kaso | arcane shot, apparently |
| 17:29.07 | kaso | sergio, perhaps ask in #norganna if theres someone who understands auction UI its the auctioneer guys |
| 17:30.26 | ksteger | ty |
| 17:30.35 | |FF|Im2good4u | ofc i cant write an addon to test it becase i cant test how it was before path |
| 17:31.51 | Mikk | |FF|Im2good4u: Did you start levelling? |
| 17:32.03 | kaso | well surely you'd just test if your arcane shot crits less than you calculate it to crit? |
| 17:32.05 | Mikk | Same crit rating at higher level = lower crit % |
| 17:32.35 | groll | could someone make me a small favour? look in your cache folder and check how big your creature cache gameobject cache etc files are in the cache folder plz |
| 17:32.51 | Mikk | And of course, shooting at higher level mobs = also lower crit % |
| 17:33.02 | Mikk | Well actually, it's on the mobs' level that counts. |
| 17:33.08 | Mikk | on=only |
| 17:33.45 | kaso | groll, 119238 bytes, 154278 bytes |
| 17:33.52 | Mikk | erhm. i have zero bytes under Cache\* |
| 17:33.56 | Mikk | o.O |
| 17:33.56 | kaso | im on eu though if that makes a difference |
| 17:34.33 | Mikk | Cache\WDB\enGB folder structure exists, but not a single file |
| 17:34.42 | kaso | wierd |
| 17:34.42 | Mikk | "interesting" |
| 17:34.48 | groll | hmmm |
| 17:34.59 | haste | Mikk: I have the same, but I'm under Linux |
| 17:35.00 | groll | i think i know why i'm lagging so badly then :P |
| 17:35.39 | groll | maybe heh |
| 17:35.49 | groll | mikk heh wierd :P |
| 17:35.50 | Mikk | I nuked my cache folder at some point though when i was having nude people after 2.0 |
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| 17:35.53 | groll | u got nothing there? |
| 17:35.59 | Mikk | not a single file |
| 17:36.04 | groll | u should have heh |
| 17:36.09 | Mikk | =P |
| 17:36.36 | Mikk | ah, when i exit i get stuff there |
| 17:36.50 | groll | doh! no wonder i lag |
| 17:36.55 | groll | the darn folder is read only ffs |
| 17:37.01 | Mikk | lal |
| 17:37.08 | Mikk | creaturecache.wdb 16kb |
| 17:37.18 | groll | stupid blizzard!!! |
| 17:38.11 | JoshBorke | zomg! it's mikk! |
| 17:38.50 | haste | Maybe I should exit my client for once |
| 17:38.53 | Mikk | ok, now i logged on again, and the files are still there. muy weird. |
| 17:39.07 | Mikk | it must have sponaneously decided to zap the cache |
| 17:39.08 | Mikk | hey josh :> |
| 17:40.35 | JoshBorke | enjoying TBC? |
| 17:42.31 | haste | It doesn't want to create it when I exit :( |
| 17:42.50 | Mery | lol in a german blog like site about mmorpgs what to do this year: "Latest in march checking if the search term "TBC" in google still find links to tuberculosis." |
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| 17:46.29 | haste | hrmf |
| 17:46.37 | haste | If I use wine, it creates the cache entries |
| 17:55.39 | Mikk | josh: yeah. lots :-) |
| 17:55.43 | Mikk | too much, one could say :> |
| 17:57.37 | JoshBorke | same ;-) |
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| 18:06.01 | Garthnait | hi guys |
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| 18:37.40 | foxlit | Will I taint anything if I hook ChatFrame_OnHyperlinkShow? |
| 18:37.58 | kaso | check the code for ChatFrame_OnHyperlinkShow and see? |
| 18:38.09 | foxlit | What would I be looking for? |
| 18:38.24 | MentalPower | calls to protected functions |
| 18:38.25 | foxlit | It's basically an alias of SetItemRef |
| 18:38.29 | kaso | then its fine |
| 18:38.36 | MentalPower | or functions that call protected functions |
| 18:38.49 | MentalPower | or functions that call functions that... you get the point :P |
| 18:39.37 | foxlit | Or is called by function that are called by... |
| 18:39.41 | kaso | foxlit, why though, wouldnt it be easier to set a OnTooltipSetItem script handler to ItemRefTooltip ? |
| 18:39.59 | foxlit | It wouldn't, I want a custom hyperlink. |
| 18:40.13 | kaso | ah |
| 18:40.23 | kaso | then hook SetItemRef |
| 18:40.26 | foxlit | i.e. clickable text in chat that'll show what text I tell it to, rather than an item or a player or anything of the sort :) |
| 18:40.50 | kaso | Hook setitemref incase some other addons fuck with the chatframe and call setitemref directly |
| 18:41.19 | foxlit | Hm, interesting thought, will do. |
| 18:41.45 | kaso | always best to hook as far down the chain as you can manage imo |
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| 18:49.46 | zenzelezz | out of curiosity, if Blizzard goes ahead and force-splits a realm, will the new realms have to do the AQ gates and such things all over? |
| 18:50.05 | TC_Working | i doubt it |
| 18:50.55 | TC_Working | unless they were not already done, but the odds of them needeing to split a realm that had not yet done thoes tyes of things would be rare |
| 18:51.17 | kaso | Yeh, i guess the two new realms will be "clones" of the first |
| 18:53.39 | Tierrie|Work | oooh AQ gates |
| 18:53.43 | Tierrie|Work | ooooh AQ mount |
| 18:54.17 | kaso | I must admit im really really jelous of my guild leader's "Scarab Lord" title |
| 18:55.18 | Tierrie|Work | you should stab ahim |
| 18:55.25 | Tierrie|Work | then he will be The Late Scarab Lord |
| 18:55.38 | Outlaw | TC_Working didn't they say that if they do split realms, it'll be to a brand new one? |
| 18:55.50 | Outlaw | or was it you could choose any realm |
| 18:56.24 | TC_Working | no, you can choose which one you wished to get into, but i dont think they are brand new |
| 18:57.05 | TC_Working | "Will I be able to choose my new realm? |
| 18:57.05 | TC_Working | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:57.05 | TC_Working | When a realm is chosen to undergo a split, an in-game message at the character-selection screen will prompt all affected players to choose between one of the two new realms being created. The player will be able to make this decision (or change his or her decision) up until the realm-split process has been completed. The realm that the player chooses will be the destination for all characters that the player plays on that realm. " |
| 18:57.20 | kaso | Well, isnt it that the "orginal" realm gets re-named to become one of the two choices, then the second is a new new realm |
| 18:57.50 | Outlaw | "between one of the two new realms being created" |
| 18:58.18 | MentalPower | no, one realm is split into two "new" realms, without any pop, and then people have to choose which one to go to next time they try to login |
| 18:58.25 | kaso | Yah, but one is being destroyed in the process, so one 1 real new one ? |
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| 18:58.43 | TC_Working | here is the forum post, really doesent say in depth http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=69006972&sid=1 |
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| 18:59.29 | MentalPower | aye, one new realm and one old realm that was pop-wiped |
| 19:01.03 | zenzelezz | I'm sure there's a logical explanation... but I can't help feel an irony when they say they've applied fixes to loot lag, and instead of reducing them on my realm they've created it |
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| 19:15.00 | [Liquidor] | Hi |
| 19:15.08 | Gryphen | he3ya |
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| 19:33.10 | TC_Working | http://www.thenoobcomic.com/daily/strip055.html |
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| 20:05.24 | foxlit | Anyone know where I can steal the flavour text color from? |
| 20:06.27 | Cide | 1, 0.82, 0 |
| 20:08.51 | foxlit | Thanks :) |
| 20:13.04 | zenzelezz | it really gets on my nerves when every "fix" to the servers only makes situations worse |
| 20:13.09 | zenzelezz | x.x |
| 20:13.15 | kaso | The damn floating point precision errors in GetTextColor etc really annoy me, means ive gotta to loads of silly < > than have a nice simple == |
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| 20:15.57 | tedrock | i get a weird error when i use "/cast [modifier:alt,target=mouseover] Purge; [modifier:ctrl,target=mousover] Cure Disease; [target=mouseover] Cure Poison" in a macro |
| 20:16.04 | tedrock | all works except the ctrl target part |
| 20:16.12 | zenzelezz | mouseover |
| 20:16.17 | zenzelezz | not mousover |
| 20:16.26 | tedrock | aesome |
| 20:16.32 | cogwheel | XD |
| 20:16.33 | kaso | haha |
| 20:16.34 | tedrock | i copied froma forum |
| 20:16.41 | tedrock | never even noticewd |
| 20:17.02 | tedrock | thanks a bunch |
| 20:17.19 | kaso | i find it amusing that you miss-spelt awesome when somone pointed out the problem was a miss-spelling |
| 20:17.30 | MentalPower | me too |
| 20:17.31 | tedrock | that is amusing |
| 20:17.39 | tedrock | awesome |
| 20:17.40 | tedrock | :P |
| 20:18.09 | cogwheel | and then put the missing w into "noticed" |
| 20:18.31 | kaso | so, on average its 100% correct |
| 20:18.53 | foxlit | http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/7167/fragment2zu.png |
| 20:19.37 | MentalPower | foxlit: LOL!! |
| 20:19.39 | kaso | You called a nil function ? |
| 20:19.42 | kaso | im confused |
| 20:19.49 | foxlit | I needed a test case. |
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| 20:20.12 | MentalPower | I like the "may be turned in for reputation with addon authors" |
| 20:20.58 | kaso | Negative reputation imo, "oh god, more work for me to do" |
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| 20:31.54 | End | :fit |
| 20:31.56 | End | oops |
| 20:32.04 | End | was trying to send that to screen ;p |
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| 20:33.51 | tedrock | for macros is there a show description command like #ShowToolTip? |
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| 20:34.31 | cogwheel | [Cu]Werik: you're probably aware of this, but CG's logo still has its "beta" watermark... (or do i need to clear my cache?) |
| 20:35.19 | cogwheel | tedrock: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=64187212&sid=1 CTRL-F #show |
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| 20:35.47 | foxlit | Hm, any way to make the tooltip text wrap? |
| 20:35.54 | kaso | yes? |
| 20:36.06 | foxlit | showcode :) |
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| 20:36.14 | tedrock | ill have to look more #show does how appear on that page |
| 20:36.23 | kaso | :Show() will wrap all lines marked to wrap, to mark a line to wrap do AddLine("text",r,g,b,wrap) |
| 20:37.00 | foxlit | Ah, so much better. |
| 20:37.00 | foxlit | Thanks :) |
| 20:37.08 | tedrock | ah you have to put "# show" os earch the forum |
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| 20:40.16 | tedrock | is it possible to show different shows depending on the key modifier? |
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| 20:45.07 | Tierrie|Work | probably |
| 20:45.22 | celebros | i'm having some frame issues. I'm trying to populate a frame full of buttons from lua, so far all I can manage to get to show up on the frame are FontStrings, I can't get anything else created on the lua side to show. You can see a snippet at http://www.pastey.net/5482 |
| 20:45.23 | Tierrie|Work | haave the mouseover event check to see which modifier key is pressed |
| 20:45.34 | Tierrie|Work | then set that frame tooltip to :Show() |
| 20:45.39 | |FF|Im2good4u | yeeh silvermoon just died :P |
| 20:45.53 | Mikk | bloodhoof is keeling over |
| 20:46.14 | foxlit | EU is in the middle of a restart wave. |
| 20:46.57 | tedrock | hrmm ill have to figure out how to make the event check the modifier then wouldn't it |
| 20:47.43 | celebros | i know there may be some superfluous stuff in the code i've tried everything I know to try in absence of more complete documentation. |
| 20:47.56 | zenzelezz | |FF|Im2good4u: "just" died? It's been dying ever since BC |
| 20:47.58 | celebros | or stuff that is obviously missing, |
| 20:48.11 | celebros | just not obvious to me ;) |
| 20:48.12 | |FF|Im2good4u | lol tru :P u on silvermoon aswel ? |
| 20:48.25 | zenzelezz | if I could log in, I would be |
| 20:48.38 | |FF|Im2good4u | hehe cool maybe we know each other ingame |
| 20:48.59 | tedrock | Tierrie|Work: is is possible you could give me a example of how to make a mouseover event check to see what modifier key is pressed? |
| 20:49.28 | |FF|Im2good4u | mouseover dont use keys do they ? |
| 20:50.14 | tedrock | they seem to for me |
| 20:50.29 | tedrock | thsi works /cast [modifier:alt,target=mouseover] Purge; [modifier:ctrl,target=mouseover] Cure Disease; [target=mouseover] Cure Poison |
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| 20:53.22 | tedrock | maybe it doesnt work |
| 20:53.45 | JoshBork1 | that should work |
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| 20:54.50 | tedrock | if i do alt while holding over an NPC is says i need to target something. if it was workign it woudl say invalid target |
| 20:55.17 | tedrock | if i select the npc and hit alt and press it it says invalid target |
| 20:56.39 | foxlit | Hrm, they killed all three world servers. |
| 20:56.52 | Tierrie|Work | Frame:SetScript("OnEnter", function if IsAltKeyDown() then ShowToolTipOne() elseif IsCtrlKeyDown() then ShowToolTipTwo() end end ); |
| 20:57.07 | Mikk | actually |
| 20:57.10 | celebros | any advice from some seasoned authors on my frame issue? |
| 20:57.26 | Mikk | if that's a general frame, you'll want to make sure that only ONE key is pressed |
| 20:57.50 | Mikk | because as most mods get written, people only test for "is ctrl down" ... not "is ctrl down, but not shift, and not alt" |
| 20:58.02 | Mikk | which means it's impossible to use combos, e.g. "ctrl+alt" to mean something else |
| 20:58.10 | Mikk | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:58.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | hrmmmm |
| 20:58.20 | Tierrie|Work | I'll leave that up to the author to decide |
| 20:58.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | where should i go at 64? |
| 20:58.47 | Beladona | where were you up to now? |
| 20:58.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | zang/hfp |
| 20:59.02 | Beladona | try Terrokar |
| 20:59.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | ah yeah good idea |
| 20:59.27 | Tierrie|Work | Hellfire->Zangarmarsh->Terrokar->Nagrand->Blade's Edge->Netherstorm->Shadowmoon Valley. |
| 20:59.27 | Beladona | I think thats where they logically send you next too |
| 20:59.31 | Beladona | based on the quests |
| 20:59.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | what level is nagrand, 65ish? |
| 20:59.39 | Tierrie|Work | TBC is more linear than a republican at a national convention |
| 21:00.17 | TS|Skrom | I find it funny that if you are googling for Fallout Boy videos it's darn near impossible to find one that's actually the band. |
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| 21:00.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | all the animated ones |
| 21:00.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | heh |
| 21:00.46 | TS|Skrom | It's crazy |
| 21:02.05 | [Cu]Werik | cogwheel, they decided to keep the beta logo while major changes are under way |
| 21:02.05 | cogwheel | ah |
| 21:02.41 | cogwheel | while you're at it, i really liked the feature from the old site where hovering over your login name would bring up a list of links to your mods ;) |
| 21:03.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | 1114g, man im getting gold fast |
| 21:04.04 | foxlit | 4k to go |
| 21:04.11 | JoshBork1 | what lvl are you mr_rabies? |
| 21:04.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | 64 |
| 21:04.27 | [Cu]Werik | Myeah, but - as far as I could understand - it's handled differently and it would be difficult to make such a dropdown now |
| 21:04.36 | JoshBork1 | :-( i've only made 300g and i just dinged 64 |
| 21:04.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | i started at about 500 or so |
| 21:04.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | sold some gloves for 100 |
| 21:05.04 | JoshBork1 | ok, that doesn't make me feel so bad anymore then |
| 21:05.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | and sold a stack of my large brilliant shards |
| 21:05.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | for 120 |
| 21:05.21 | cogwheel | gives me hope... cogwheel's been 60 for over a year and doesn't have his epic mount yet XD |
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| 21:05.34 | [Cu]Werik | Want to feel bad? I'm lvl 48 and I have 7200 gold :) |
| 21:05.35 | JoshBork1 | cogwheel: i just bought mine right before TBC |
| 21:05.49 | JoshBork1 | cogwheel: broguht all my gold from all my toons together to afford it |
| 21:06.02 | JoshBork1 | [Cu]Werik: hax |
| 21:06.14 | Beladona | I have made something like 1k in gold so far since TBC |
| 21:06.17 | Beladona | on one char |
| 21:06.47 | Tierrie|Work | heh I have 10k without buying gold |
| 21:06.48 | foxlit | ~2k from 60 to 70. |
| 21:06.53 | cogwheel | heh... most of my toons are broke... My wife runs a joint auction mule so i just hit her up when I need to train 'n stuff |
| 21:06.55 | Tierrie|Work | man had i known that was like 3k USD |
| 21:06.57 | foxlit | Without bothering with the AH too much. |
| 21:07.04 | Tierrie|Work | I might have been like "fuck this game" and sold it ;D |
| 21:07.04 | Beladona | thats only getting to 64 though |
| 21:07.13 | Beladona | I am not so hardcore that I am 70 already |
| 21:07.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm just enjoying questing |
| 21:07.38 | JoshBork1 | me too |
| 21:07.40 | Beladona | same |
| 21:07.47 | JoshBork1 | i've found someone that will quest with me so i'm not solo all the time |
| 21:07.49 | Beladona | currently grinding faction with Sporregar |
| 21:07.50 | [Cu]Werik | You can get a lot of money from 1-60 as well, people are buying green items now. I earned a lot of money from 1-48 by selling items |
| 21:07.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm looking forward to 68 so i can explore from the relative safety of the air |
| 21:08.00 | JoshBork1 | is it worth grinding faction with them? |
| 21:08.03 | zenzelezz | at 25% into 69, I've earned something like 1700g at least so far from quests and selling rewards + junk drops |
| 21:08.05 | Beladona | I just want that shield |
| 21:08.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've got no reason to grind rep with them :p |
| 21:08.10 | JoshBork1 | mmm, that is a NICE shield |
| 21:08.11 | Beladona | requires Honored |
| 21:08.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | druid with enchanting and herbalism |
| 21:08.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | heh |
| 21:08.29 | JoshBork1 | i don't remember if they have anything worth getting for a priest |
| 21:08.33 | Beladona | although I have been doing mana Tombs lately |
| 21:08.35 | kaso | Sporregar as sorta useless imo:< they could do with more gear seeing as their only purpose is for rep grind |
| 21:08.36 | JoshBork1 | oh yea! race/class/level! |
| 21:08.39 | Beladona | and there is a shield there that is better |
| 21:09.14 | Beladona | kinda proud. a group of all 64s and we beat Mana Tombs first try |
| 21:09.21 | JoshBork1 | nicely done |
| 21:09.30 | Beladona | but we weren't a pug either |
| 21:09.35 | JoshBork1 | still |
| 21:09.42 | Beladona | and we had vent |
| 21:09.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | is it hard? |
| 21:09.45 | Beladona | so that helped |
| 21:09.54 | Beladona | Pandemonius is a tad tough |
| 21:09.56 | [Cu]Werik | Wow? hard?! |
| 21:09.57 | Beladona | but otherwise no |
| 21:10.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've done up to slave pens so far |
| 21:10.30 | JoshBork1 | i found underbog to be way easier than slave pens |
| 21:10.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | slave pens was cake |
| 21:10.40 | Beladona | the trick with Pand is to have the tank pull him to a wall, so he can't throw you. Everyone turns off attack when he puts his yellow shield up |
| 21:10.41 | JoshBork1 | the bosses were far more exciting and the pulls weren't nearly as bad |
| 21:10.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | especially if you save Bite at the end |
| 21:10.52 | Beladona | other than that, good healing and decent dps |
| 21:10.56 | JoshBork1 | Mr_Rabies: we kept getting lost |
| 21:11.07 | foxlit | Uderbog was mostly a bore. |
| 21:11.20 | foxlit | Until the last boss, where the pallies decided to jointly sleep rather than healing me. |
| 21:11.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | ah |
| 21:11.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | well i have alphamap, Josh_Borke |
| 21:11.44 | [Cu]Werik | paladins are a dps class xD |
| 21:11.57 | JoshBork1 | lol foxlit |
| 21:11.58 | Beladona | they make pretty damn good healers |
| 21:12.08 | Beladona | gear depending, and skill demanding |
| 21:12.10 | JoshBork1 | yea, i'm definitely a better healer on my paladin than on my priest :-( |
| 21:12.23 | zenzelezz | I enjoyed the last boss in Underbog on my first run, when both the rogues decided to stand close to me |
| 21:12.29 | zenzelezz | one of them got zapped |
| 21:12.30 | [Cu]Werik | and they are crazy grinders with prot/retribution spec |
| 21:12.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | paladins pretty much never run out mana if played properly |
| 21:13.00 | foxlit | constraints on played properly there. |
| 21:13.21 | [Cu]Werik | pull 4 mobs at once, kill them in 20 seconds and leave the battle with 70% health |
| 21:13.25 | foxlit | There is only so much healing you can output continiously without draining mana pool :) |
| 21:13.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | especially if they're holy spec, damn |
| 21:13.52 | Beladona | this is the shield I want from mana tombs: http://www.ampwow.com/wow/viewNewItems/28166-Shield+of+the+Void.php |
| 21:14.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | not bad |
| 21:14.15 | foxlit | Meh, silly Emerald Dream. World server has been down for 30 minutes :( |
| 21:14.15 | Beladona | weird, that doesn't show the block value |
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| 21:14.19 | Beladona | think it was 68 |
| 21:14.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's like strapping a rogue to your arm |
| 21:14.55 | JoshBork1 | foxlit: on my 60 paladin i can heal for about 10 minutes at 700 point heals |
| 21:14.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | or a druid in caster form with tanking gear on |
| 21:15.44 | [Cu]Werik | if you have the gear and the corrent talent build, you shouldnt be able to run out of mana while spamming flash of light |
| 21:15.50 | [Cu]Werik | correct* |
| 21:16.07 | JoshBork1 | [Cu]Werik: i don't have enough mana/5 gear |
| 21:16.23 | foxlit | Basic problem is that the 700 heals may be insufficient to keep someone up |
| 21:16.25 | [Cu]Werik | same for retribution paladins, with sanctified jugement and benediction you actually gain mana from judgeing seals |
| 21:16.40 | [Cu]Werik | you only loose mana if you heal |
| 21:17.10 | JoshBork1 | foxlit: that's why i use holy light when main healing a hard hitting boss |
| 21:17.35 | foxlit | And how long can you keep that up? :) |
| 21:17.52 | [Cu]Werik | I was spamming flash of light on twin emps for 12 minutes and I had more than half my mana after the fight. though, I had 180ish mp5 :) |
| 21:17.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | druids can heal up a storm, but no way we can keep up with pallies in efficiency |
| 21:18.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | i just stack the int like a madman and let the fsr kick in unless the crap hits the fan |
| 21:19.49 | JoshBork1 | with 180mp5 you can pretty much spam out any paladin heal |
| 21:19.58 | [Cu]Werik | nah |
| 21:20.07 | JoshBork1 | except rank 6+ of holy light |
| 21:20.08 | [Cu]Werik | holy light is terrible for healing :P |
| 21:20.31 | JoshBork1 | what about with the new talent though? |
| 21:20.47 | [Cu]Werik | you can spam 900-1400 flash heals forever, that should be good enough |
| 21:22.09 | [Cu]Werik | get a lot of intellect or spell crit or both, so your flash heal crits a lot and you're a winner:) at least I played this way and I liked it |
| 21:23.12 | JoshBork1 | that's how i would have played had i been a consistent raider :-) |
| 21:23.23 | Industrial | Is elemental good for leveling up shaman? |
| 21:23.24 | Industrial | http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=GEczVcMqVotx0cZx0xz |
| 21:23.45 | [Cu]Werik | lot of my guildmates were collecting +healing stuff, but at the end, I had 9k mana, they had 6k, I was critting once from every third heal, which means 1400ish free heals for like 250 mana |
| 21:23.52 | Industrial | I just clicked what looks good to me |
| 21:23.53 | Industrial | :P |
| 21:24.02 | [Cu]Werik | they just run out of mana |
| 21:24.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | <Industrial> Is elemental good for leveling up shaman? |
| 21:24.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's great, but there's a decent amount of downtime, especially compared to enhancement |
| 21:24.36 | JoshBork1 | i had mostly +heal gear because it's easiest to get outside of raiding |
| 21:24.56 | JoshBork1 | with the most effect early on- |
| 21:25.00 | [Cu]Werik | intellect is the easiest to get |
| 21:25.20 | JoshBork1 | yea ,but i didn't see as much of a gain with int as i did with +hael |
| 21:25.25 | [Cu]Werik | 50 intellect is one crit If im correct |
| 21:25.50 | [Cu]Werik | you can have 500 intellect with enchantments in AQ gear |
| 21:26.28 | [Cu]Werik | I quitted before naxxramas, so I have no idea how things have changed |
| 21:26.38 | JoshBork1 | only ran either aq's a couple of time |
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| 21:27.31 | [Cu]Werik | I think I was mostly using judgement |
| 21:27.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | well this is odd |
| 21:27.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | Shattrath's textureless |
| 21:27.53 | JoshBork1 | hehe, only piece of judgement i got was the helm :-D |
| 21:27.59 | [Cu]Werik | :) |
| 21:28.21 | JoshBork1 | could have gotten some out of BWL |
| 21:28.29 | JoshBork1 | but i was saving up for lok/rejuvenating gem |
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| 21:28.46 | JoshBork1 | sadly i got neither because i quit raiding for the most part :-( |
| 21:28.51 | JoshBork1 | and now my priest is my main :-D |
| 21:28.53 | [Cu]Werik | yeah well, I was using aurastone and ragna shield imho |
| 21:29.06 | [Cu]Werik | shadowpriest won lok over me |
| 21:29.44 | [Cu]Werik | Can't remember. It was some time ago:) |
| 21:29.53 | JoshBork1 | anyway, work time. bye all |
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| 21:32.47 | celebros | Can anyone tell me what I'm doing wrong here? Why aren't my buttons showing up (only the FontStrings show up) http://www.pastey.net/5482 |
| 21:33.52 | Outlaw | Pretty sure you have to call :Show() yourself for created frames |
| 21:34.09 | celebros | i can get the frame to show up |
| 21:34.47 | celebros | (the :Show is in another part of the code) but when it does show all i get are FontStrings no buttons |
| 21:35.13 | celebros | in fact from Lua, that's all i can get to show, is FontStrings |
| 21:35.44 | celebros | I haven't even been able to set the backdrop and edgefile of the frame or a title header from lua, only xml. |
| 21:36.06 | celebros | there is some small piece of detail that I'm missing about adding objects with textures from lua |
| 21:36.12 | celebros | i just can't find what that is. |
| 21:36.49 | Outlaw | Nothing looks obviously wrong, but I haven't used CreateFontString yet |
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| 21:38.36 | foxlit | Hm, I wonder if I still have the version of RAB that created bars in pure lua |
| 21:38.47 | foxlit | There was something interesting about layers |
| 21:39.10 | Grank | how do you create a variable that can be toggled by a command? |
| 21:39.36 | celebros | like a slash command/ |
| 21:39.59 | Grank | not in game, in lua coding |
| 21:39.59 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:40.18 | Grank | I just want to be able to toggle sound on/off in my mod |
| 21:40.22 | foxlit | In your case, frm:EnableDrawLayer("ARTWORK"); |
| 21:40.44 | Grank | not toggle master sound |
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| 21:41.47 | celebros | not sure, if you find out i'd love to know, i've been toying with trying to set fullscreen/windowed from a macro |
| 21:44.14 | celebros | nope that didn't help |
| 21:44.23 | celebros | I tried both ARTWORK and DIALOG |
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| 21:53.20 | celebros | i'm a tard |
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| 21:53.39 | celebros | i had btn:SetWidth() but not btn:SetHeight |
| 21:53.57 | celebros | once i did that, it showed up |
| 21:57.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | nothing like downgrading your drivers almost a year back |
| 22:02.23 | Worf | sigh - is there some official download for the TBC client? I think i gotta reinstall my client because 2.0.6 doesn't want to apply... (propably because i used the beta client till now) |
| 22:03.05 | Worf | i've googled quite a lot but i did only find the "normal" wow client |
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| 22:04.04 | Beladona | thats a negative |
| 22:04.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | not yet worf |
| 22:04.14 | Beladona | they are not providing it for digital distribution at this time |
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| 22:04.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | though you could take the sub-legal approach >_> |
| 22:05.55 | Beladona | I actually started uploading the files for someone last week, but its like 6gb and I just never finished it what with playing and all |
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| 22:07.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | i heard you can use the bc discs to install from scratch, c/d? |
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| 22:07.53 | Beladona | that would be an interesting experiment |
| 22:07.56 | Beladona | I may try it later |
| 22:07.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | i know you still gotta patch a bit, but not much |
| 22:08.17 | Worf | don't know... would give it a try... if i would find a download.. :) |
| 22:08.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | better than my first-run discs |
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| 22:09.32 | Worf | damn... if only they would have made the patch beta-client save. :) |
| 22:10.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | what's wrong with your discs? |
| 22:10.21 | Worf | they contain the wrong client |
| 22:10.33 | MageRooster | You can still download the release client for base WoW. |
| 22:10.40 | Worf | yeah i found |
| 22:10.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | you dont have the bc discs? |
| 22:11.07 | MageRooster | I think he doesn't have his base disks. |
| 22:13.28 | Worf | nah, i have everything... 2 year old base discs... tbc discs... but not only that this reinstall takes ages ( patching from 1.0something up to... argh - don't make me thing ) - it's also the wrong language... sigh... now i need the language packs ... and several hours of reinstalling... WoW1 could be played till the end with the beta client... sigh... |
| 22:13.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | try just using the bc discs to install |
| 22:14.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | i hear you don't need the base wow discs to install |
| 22:14.37 | Tierrie|Work | you need the base disc |
| 22:14.46 | Tierrie|Work | I tried installing TBC without the base |
| 22:14.48 | Tierrie|Work | It wouldn't let me |
| 22:14.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | aw |
| 22:14.58 | Tierrie|Work | I wanted to pretty badly |
| 22:15.04 | TC_Working | you mean w/o the base installed right? |
| 22:15.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | does it require a base install, or just the disc for verification? |
| 22:15.37 | Tierrie|Work | The old client has this bug, where if you had any tooltip or floating stuff, say if you hovered over a filename in explorer, and then it'd pop up some information |
| 22:16.09 | Tierrie|Work | if that popup was up, and I tabbed into wow, the framerate would drop to 1fps until the hover thing went away |
| 22:16.09 | Tierrie|Work | you need the base install |
| 22:16.14 | Tierrie|Work | that bug was't present in my TBC beta client |
| 22:16.17 | Tierrie|Work | so I really really wanted that |
| 22:16.20 | Tierrie|Work | but no avail! |
| 22:16.22 | Tierrie|Work | FOILED! |
| 22:16.24 | Tierrie|Work | poop |
| 22:17.30 | Worf | drat... it really wants it badly... |
| 22:18.38 | Worf | hooray - and if i give it the base install, it complains about it's language |
| 22:18.43 | Tierrie|Work | haha |
| 22:18.50 | Tierrie|Work | TBC: momma |
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| 22:20.16 | Worf | and propably i would only need the enGB 2.0.5 wow.exe ... |
| 22:20.39 | Tierrie|Work | you can change the mpq part |
| 22:20.45 | Tierrie|Work | but its too much of a hassle |
| 22:21.34 | Worf | compared with the hassle i had till now i don't think it's much of a hassle... do tell..! |
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| 22:22.32 | Tierrie|Work | the localization is determined by a string in the mpq file somewhere |
| 22:22.41 | Tierrie|Work | if you can modify that to read enUS instead of enGB that might work |
| 22:22.55 | Tierrie|Work | the problem is I am not sure where I read about it so I can't reference the location |
| 22:23.19 | Tierrie|Work | not to mention its not a guarentee |
| 22:23.23 | Worf | ... i understand ... and i have a pretty good idea where to look |
| 22:23.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | i dunno how much i trust a duct tape install like that |
| 22:23.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'd |
| 22:23.54 | Tierrie|Work | hey |
| 22:24.02 | Tierrie|Work | worst case is you have to reinstall |
| 22:24.06 | Tierrie|Work | its not a high risk procedure |
| 22:24.31 | Tierrie|Work | actually worst case is a meteor falls through your roof and kills you |
| 22:24.38 | Tierrie|Work | that's always the worst case scenario |
| 22:24.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | i could think of worse things |
| 22:25.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | mostly involving angry badgers |
| 22:25.20 | Worf | hmm... i'd have considered it being worst case if the meteor hits your pc and you watch it |
| 22:26.01 | Tierrie|Work | what if, a angry badget falls through your roof, and kills you |
| 22:26.08 | Tierrie|Work | s/a/an/ |
| 22:26.15 | Tierrie|Work | good job purl |
| 22:26.18 | Tierrie|Work | dumbbot |
| 22:26.29 | bleetah | gigo :P |
| 22:26.42 | bleetah | s/a /an / ;) |
| 22:26.51 | Tierrie|Work | i'd do it s/ a / an / |
| 22:26.55 | Tierrie|Work | but its too late now |
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| 22:32.13 | Tierrie|Work | bring out the beer, the donkey and the midget! |
| 22:32.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | ANARCHY |
| 22:32.25 | foxlit | s/midget/gnome/ |
| 22:32.26 | Zicon | The midget? You freak. |
| 22:33.33 | Tain | I wanna be anarchy! |
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| 22:46.54 | Taktaal | is there any software to decode .dbc files? |
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| 22:55.22 | Linera | hello |
| 22:55.49 | Linera | Anyone know how to get WoW UI Designer to save? |
| 22:56.07 | bleetah | Taktaal: several, but none that don't violate the EULA/ToS |
| 22:58.37 | Linera | anyone at all??? |
| 22:58.45 | Taktaal | i'm too cool for eulas >:D |
| 22:58.59 | Tain | eula eula eula I made you out of clay |
| 22:59.05 | Tain | Sorry Linera, haven't used it. |
| 22:59.34 | TC_Working | Linera, you could always try asking nicely |
| 22:59.54 | Tierrie|Work | hell, the more question marks the better |
| 23:00.20 | Linera | looks like no one knows. well so much for me learing to program addons |
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| 23:00.24 | Tain | Linera asked nicely. Ok the the question marks were a bit much, but it wasn't nearly as rude as others. |
| 23:00.34 | Tain | Actually Linera to be honest using the WoW UI Designer is not a good way to learn. |
| 23:00.47 | Linera | first time i asked it was only 1 ? |
| 23:01.28 | Tain | Yeah the thing is it goes through busy and slow periods here, sometimes it is quiet for a while while people do other things. Or just don't know the answer. |
| 23:01.29 | Linera | WoW UI Designer does most of the visual stuff which is a good thing |
| 23:01.39 | Taktaal | but you dont learn anything |
| 23:01.51 | Taktaal | its like designing webpages in frontpage and saying you know html |
| 23:01.52 | foxlit | wysiwyg editors are generally horrible at understanding what you _want_ |
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| 23:01.59 | bleetah | yeah, it's akin to learning to program by using powerpoint |
| 23:02.02 | Linera | you learn the lua part which is the only real thing i would need |
| 23:02.18 | TC_Working | you learn that you wont shove your system out a window learning xml |
| 23:02.37 | Linera | with WoW UI Designer i don't need xml knowledge |
| 23:02.42 | Tierrie|Work | no |
| 23:02.52 | Tierrie|Work | you would need to learn the WoW FramesXML as well |
| 23:03.04 | Tierrie|Work | lua is easy to learn, its the WoW's Frames and Events that are difficult |
| 23:03.13 | Linera | WoW UI Designer has a visual xml designer |
| 23:03.21 | Linera | like drawing |
| 23:03.25 | Worf | on the other hand - looking at the Blizzard lua and xml code also aint the best way of learning :) |
| 23:03.35 | bleetah | lol Worf |
| 23:03.37 | Linera | i simply place items where i'd want them |
| 23:03.38 | bleetah | too true |
| 23:04.43 | Linera | WoW UI Designer is a great tool. makes it so i only need to program lua not xml since the xml part is all visual |
| 23:04.53 | Worf | Linera: the best addons are thoose which are mostly invisible... imho :) |
| 23:05.33 | Tain | Linera just understand that the aversion to WoW UI Designer from a lot of people here is that it doesn't created clean XML. |
| 23:05.45 | TC_Working | Worf, a perma alt+z mod for you |
| 23:05.50 | Tain | So it works, but behind the scenes it is ugly. |
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| 23:06.11 | Tierrie|Work | Worf: by that token my HUD sucks ass /cry |
| 23:06.17 | Tierrie|Work | Worf: jkjk <3 |
| 23:06.18 | bleetah | as with most visual stuff, you're using someone else's code that may not be optimised for your requirements, and the other thing is whatchya gunna do if the UI designer can't just quite do what you need |
| 23:06.35 | Karrion | depends on the addon, a lot of addons generate most of their UI dynamically these days; but for static dialogue boxes wowuidesigner could be useful |
| 23:06.47 | Karrion | haven't used it myself though |
| 23:06.54 | Tierrie|Work | ja, what bothers me with UI creation is they don't have a corresponding DestroyFrame |
| 23:06.56 | Tierrie|Work | srsly |
| 23:07.06 | Linera | problem with coding xml through text is i have no idea if I placed an item in the correct spot in the window |
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| 23:07.47 | Tierrie|Work | you know what I love? I love the way bongos handles configuration |
| 23:07.49 | Tierrie|Work | its so sexy |
| 23:08.08 | Tierrie|Work | i'm going to download bongos now and make love to it |
| 23:08.16 | Linera | I guess I won't be making addons |
| 23:08.19 | Linera | :( |
| 23:08.34 | Karrion | linera: don't give up that easily |
| 23:08.44 | Karrion | what id the actual problem you're having? |
| 23:08.50 | Karrion | s/id/is/ |
| 23:08.53 | Linera | no one can help me get WoW UI Designer to save |
| 23:08.55 | Tierrie|Work | he can't get WoW UI Designer to save |
| 23:09.32 | Karrion | but in what way? can you not find a File|Save type menu thing? Or when you press it it doesn't work? |
| 23:09.46 | Tain | I'm still distraught that I had to sit my niece down last night and tell her that she simply can't say, "I pwned that." outloud. |
| 23:09.52 | Linera | I tell it to save and I get an error |
| 23:10.08 | Karrion | Aha, what's the error message? |
| 23:10.12 | Linera | i dunno |
| 23:10.15 | sancus | Tain: Why can't she?!? |
| 23:10.28 | Scre3m | Tain, i have had to explain to my son several times that we can't say "own" at school |
| 23:10.57 | Tain | Own is bad enough. But I refuse to allow anyone related to me that I actually like say "pwn" outloud. |
| 23:11.28 | Tain | Actually hehe I just realized own is worse in the wrong company. |
| 23:11.42 | Scre3m | or slash, frag, blow up, kill, toast, mega kill and numerous other UT or WoW terms ;) |
| 23:11.55 | Karrion | Linera: you'll need to find the text of the error message, it's there for a reason: to tell us what went wrong ;-) |
| 23:12.20 | Tain | I can just see one kid saying to another kid of let's say a different cultural background, "I own you!" and someone not seeing it quite the same way. |
| 23:12.28 | Linera | Error says: "Unable to cast object of type 'wowuides.Svn.SvnBrowser' to type 'WeifenLuo.WinFormsUI.DockContect'." |
| 23:12.50 | Karrion | ew |
| 23:13.15 | Linera | :( |
| 23:14.18 | Tierrie|Work | and you want this program to write your XML for you? |
| 23:14.25 | Karrion | that sounds like a bug in wow ui designer, you should a) (double)check you have the latest version, and b) post on their forum on wowi (http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=45) |
| 23:15.25 | Karrion | hmmm actually there's a post there already http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7619 |
| 23:15.29 | Linera | I just downloaded it |
| 23:17.22 | Karrion | which suggests the error happens if you don't have a SVN client installed on your machine |
| 23:18.32 | Linera | huh? |
| 23:19.02 | Karrion | I'd call that a bug, something like that shouldn't depend on SVN, which is a revision control system |
| 23:19.10 | Linera | install readme never said a word about install other items |
| 23:20.36 | Karrion | you could try downloading it to work around the error until they fix it: http://subversion.tigris.org/files/documents/15/35379/svn-1.4.2-setup.exe |
| 23:21.03 | Karrion | god I just linked an .exe, shoot me now :-( |
| 23:21.27 | Linera | haha, checkmate |
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| 23:22.45 | Linera | testing it now |
| 23:23.13 | Linera | I still get the error with svn install |
| 23:23.18 | Linera | installed |
| 23:24.18 | Karrion | bah |
| 23:24.35 | Linera | :() |
| 23:25.09 | Karrion | well, not sure I can be of any more help, I'd suggest you make a post on that forum and wait for the authors to fix it :-( |
| 23:26.21 | Linera | :( |
| 23:26.37 | Linera | I guess then I won't be making addons |
| 23:27.20 | Karrion | well, don't give up just yet, I'm sure the authors will fix it |
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| 23:28.09 | Karrion | and in the mean time you can concentrate on learning the lua side, and just not worry overly about the precise layout |
| 23:28.24 | Kaelten | hey guys have you all seen http://browse.files.filefront.com/World+of+Warcraft+Modifications+/;1323974;/browsefiles.html |
| 23:28.27 | Kaelten | ? |
| 23:29.00 | Linera | I can't learn the lua side without an addon to put it in |
| 23:29.21 | Linera | also I doubt the author is working on it, last update on 12-14-2006 04:25 AM |
| 23:29.28 | Kaelten | Cide: he's hosting old copies of GMail there |
| 23:29.54 | Tierrie|Work | you can learn lua just by creating a dummy frame and then going from there |
| 23:29.59 | Cide | sigh |
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| 23:30.18 | foxlit | Filefront is pure evil |
| 23:30.19 | Kaelten | charlie@filefront.com is their email address |
| 23:30.29 | Linera | Tierrie, I can't make the wow addon without the visual editor for frame stuff |
| 23:30.33 | Tain | Damn that Charlie! |
| 23:30.38 | Karrion | or by modifying other addons, or even just playing with /script |
| 23:30.47 | Kaelten | ya guy is swearing they're not uploading content automatically but it looks like they've been scraping wowace.com's files directory since november |
| 23:30.52 | Tierrie|Work | Dude you don't need a visual editor to make a dummy frame, its like 5 lines |
| 23:30.52 | Karrion | what is the addon you're trying to make? |
| 23:30.53 | Tain | Down with Charlie! |
| 23:31.30 | Kaelten | Cide: in fact it looks like he's hosting all of CTMod |
| 23:31.41 | Linera | I'm trying to make my own point system for WoW. |
| 23:32.20 | Karrion | point system? you mean like dkp? |
| 23:32.23 | Linera | sorta |
| 23:32.34 | Linera | different name though |
| 23:32.55 | Linera | working on fleshing out the rules |
| 23:33.25 | foxlit | 1: All loot goes to me. |
| 23:33.33 | Karrion | so most of the work is going to be in the storage and calculations rather than the display, seems there'd be a lot you could do before the graphical elements were in place |
| 23:33.34 | foxlit | 2: If loot does not go to me, see 1. |
| 23:34.12 | Tierrie|Work | 3: when in doubt, see 2. |
| 23:34.23 | bleetah | oi, they're my rules.. and they're (C) me |
| 23:34.28 | bleetah | i'm gunna sue yaz! :P |
| 23:34.38 | Linera | I want it to have a frame for showing the dkp in a window |
| 23:34.50 | Karrion | start out just interacting via slash commands and printing to ChatFrame1, and if you need to catch events a small dummy frame |
| 23:35.15 | Linera | which will also allow the leader to make changes to the points for a player or other things |
| 23:35.54 | Karrion | then once that's in place you can add the gui bits |
| 23:36.46 | Linera | Also I want it so raid members don't need the addon in order to find out how many points they have |
| 23:37.14 | Linera | using something i saw where you can hide a whisper |
| 23:37.41 | Karrion | yep, catch the incoming whisper event, just use an invisible event catcher frame |
| 23:37.56 | Linera | I saw it in Webdkp's addon where if a player whispered a command to the dkp player it hid those whispers |
| 23:39.28 | Linera | it was useful so dkp player didn't get flooded with them |
| 23:43.20 | Linera | ummm, where do i go to get something for opening lua files and stuff |
| 23:43.26 | Linera | can't open them |
| 23:44.11 | foxlit | Hm, finished my error-reporting code |
| 23:44.11 | foxlit | http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/3544/fragment20ff.png |
| 23:44.20 | Tain | There are a lot of options, I recommend this, Linera: http://wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4989 |
| 23:44.45 | Karrion | I usually just use Wordpad >.> |
| 23:44.50 | Tain | Oh new PerfectRaid since last I looked! It is like generic Winter gift-giving holiday! |
| 23:45.13 | cladhaire | not realloy |
| 23:45.17 | cladhaire | its just a deDE update |
| 23:45.18 | cladhaire | lol |
| 23:45.21 | Karrion | Linera: frame xml for a dummy event catcher frame: http://wowi.pastey.net/5485 |
| 23:45.26 | Tain | Damn Germans. |
| 23:45.49 | Tain | cladhaire! Tear down this wall! |
| 23:46.03 | Linera | like i understand that xml stuff |
| 23:46.20 | Linera | thats what the visual UI thing was suppose to be for |
| 23:46.29 | Tain | XML is like violence. If it doesn't solve your problem, use |
| 23:46.30 | Tain | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:46.52 | Tain | I failed at copy/paste. |
| 23:46.58 | Tierrie|Work | I'd say |
| 23:47.05 | Linera | I noticed that this lua editor thing is outdated |
| 23:47.08 | Tierrie|Work | Copy and Paste is like gym class for Taim |
| 23:47.24 | Tain | Hey I got solid C's in gym class! I never failed. |
| 23:47.34 | Tierrie|Work | I never went |
| 23:47.36 | Tierrie|Work | haha |
| 23:47.47 | Tierrie|Work | Well I did a few times |
| 23:47.50 | Tierrie|Work | mostly to play soccer |
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| 23:48.21 | Tain | Actually I was very good at Archery and basketball. |
| 23:48.38 | Tain | The rest, not so much. |
| 23:48.46 | Tain | And we did gymnastics one year. *shudder* |
| 23:48.51 | Tierrie|Work | hahaha |
| 23:48.53 | Karrion | linera: copy that into an xml file, change all the "MyAddon" to whatever name you want to use, then just write in your lua file a _OnLoad() that registers the events you want, and then write _OnEvent() to catch them, and _OnUpdate() (if you want to respond to elapsed time, otherwise just remove that line from the XML) |
| 23:48.53 | Tierrie|Work | we didn't have that |
| 23:48.53 | Linera | Is there an updated version of SciTE-WOWInterface ? |
| 23:48.56 | Tierrie|Work | we did have tug of war |
| 23:49.03 | Tierrie|Work | and long jump and track |
| 23:49.08 | Tierrie|Work | i sucked at most of it |
| 23:49.24 | Tain | I actually had to do a hack routine on the pommel horse. |
| 23:49.44 | Tierrie|Work | my school didn't have a pommel horse |
| 23:49.48 | Tierrie|Work | we have some dirt |
| 23:49.49 | Tierrie|Work | and grass |
| 23:50.08 | Linera | I don't understand any of that xml stuff so I won't know how to add what i need to do to it. thats why i need the visual editor |
| 23:50.08 | Tierrie|Work | and some rope for tug of war |
| 23:50.28 | Tierrie|Work | the visual editor will not write the event handlers for you |
| 23:50.41 | Linera | yea it will |
| 23:50.52 | Linera | its there to do the xml work for you |
| 23:51.19 | Karrion | no, it will just create the shell, which you have to fill in |
| 23:51.34 | Tierrie|Work | What you want is the WoW Event Designer |
| 23:51.38 | Tierrie|Work | followed by the WoW Lua Designer |
| 23:51.40 | Karrion | which is what I just gave for, for the particular case of an event catching frame |
| 23:52.29 | Linera | what events??? |
| 23:53.21 | Karrion | whichever ones you need to catch, there's a list of them all on wowwiki |
| 23:55.12 | Karrion | for the "what's my dkp" whisper stuff you'll want to catch CHAT_MSG_WHISPER, but you'll probably need others as well |
| 23:55.26 | Karrion | VARIABLES_LOADED, for a start |
| 23:55.38 | Tierrie|Work | I would to nominate Karrion for patient like buddha award |
| 23:57.31 | Tain | Seconded. |
| 23:57.41 | Tain | I started drinking a long time ago. |
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