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`00:19.56`	`seebs`	`Okay, since the crowd's rotated some: Is there any way to set WoW such that item tooltips don't show up instantly, but perhaps after a frame or three of delay? The flickering effect I get from mousing over my bank is killing me.`
`00:25.57`	`Mikma`	`seebs: disable auctioneer`
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`00:52.53`	`Tain`	`Now despite the fact that it is absurd for lawmakers to get involved I still can't help but like the idea behind it. Enforce minimum weight guidelines for young models.`
`00:52.58`	`Tain`	`http://wcbstv.com/topstories/local_story_030164419.html`
`00:54.32`	`Cairenn`	`good`
`00:54.37`	`Cairenn`	`sad that it's required, but good`
`00:54.45`	`Tain`	`Give that girl a sammich`
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`01:35.07`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`haha`
`01:35.20`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`I think they should enforce BMI but I am nitpicking`
`01:35.39`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`don't want 120lbs 7'2" models`
`01:35.44`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`because they will be skeletons`
`01:35.52`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`i will be like "UND00dz! SHACKLE"`
`01:48.34`	`Shadowed`	`What do you do with the current models though`
`01:50.10`	`Sstixrud`	`does IsVisible() work for a button or just a frame?`
`01:50.43`	`Shadowed`	`IsVisible works for both`
`01:52.38`	`Sstixrud`	`thanks, although I realized what I was thinking wont work anyways :)`
`01:55.50`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`Is there any abilities that allows you to put a dot on yourself?`
`01:56.09`	`Kaso`	`only the trinket that they nerfed i think`
`01:56.15`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`Which one?`
`01:56.29`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`I am thinking of dots because damage may aremove a healer from Repentance during the Maiden of Virtue`
`01:56.30`	`Kaso`	`skull of inpending doom`
`01:57.01`	`Kaso`	`they nurfed it to do 90% of your hp or something though`
`01:57.10`	`Kaso`	`because people were using it to break CC in pvp`
`02:03.25`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`I wonder if Violet Tragan causing the small poison will remove you from Repentance`
`02:03.52`	`Kaso`	`yah but who still has that quest available?`
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`02:16.09`	`Tain`	`Ooooh damaging a specific area of a person's brain can make them quit smoking.`
`02:16.27`	`Tain`	`Where's my ice pick`
`02:23.21`	`Shadowed`	`Tain: link the article?`
`02:23.39`	`Nom-`	`DoT's break crowd control measures`
`02:23.47`	`Nom-`	`So Repentance will be broken by a DoT too`
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`02:27.28`	`Tain`	`hah even though I looked at it like ten minutes ago I can't remember where, Shadowed`
`02:27.36`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`Search digg`
`02:27.38`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`That's where I read it`
`02:27.55`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`Also I will gladly give you cranalogy for free with my fists`
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`02:28.40`	`Nom-`	`bah`
`02:28.53`	`Nom-`	`Those "I'm a Mac, I'm a PC" ads are silly`
`02:29.02`	`Nom-`	`The problem is`
`02:29.11`	`Nom-`	`The one about pie charts and stuff is the wrong way around`
`02:29.31`	`Nom-`	`You want games, it's a PC you want...Mac has bugger all in that regard`
`02:31.03`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`first of all, I detest Steve Jobs and Mac with a burning passion. He is essentially Bill Gates without all the humility doled out by the Justice Department and litigation in the past 10 years`
`02:31.08`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`secondly, Mac isn't that bad for games`
`02:31.15`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`what with the ability to dual boot`
`02:31.26`	`Nom-`	`pfft @ dual boot`
`02:31.54`	`Nom-`	`Besides, why would I pay $5000 for a computer that doesn't even beat the 2 year old PC i've got at home in terms of performance`
`02:32.01`	`Tain`	`It is bad for games because there are less games that support it. Games that do support it are wonderful.`
`02:32.09`	`Nom-`	`Mind you, the new Intel based range might be a bit better`
`02:32.25`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`Macs are quite reasonable now, especially MacBooks`
`02:32.45`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`but, I don't like Apple -- I think they are pretty brutal with their trade practices.`
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`02:34.34`	`Corrodias`	`i wish questsfu would sort things on the quest tracker by how far complete they are`
`02:34.34`	`cladhaire`	`Nom-: They are`
`02:34.40`	`cladhaire`	`Price a MBP versus a Dell/Gateway`
`02:34.42`	`Corrodias`	`or anything other than "arbitrarily"`
`02:34.44`	`Denzil`	`Is this the right place to ask about a wow macro?`
`02:34.47`	`cladhaire`	`or a Mac Pro even.`
`02:34.55`	`cladhaire`	`Denzil: Its a good place to start =)`
`02:35.20`	`Denzil`	`i want to check if a target is a demon or undead how would i go about it?`
`02:36.18`	`Denzil`	`"/cast [target:demon] spell;" gives me no joy`
`02:36.30`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`you can't do macros like that afaik`
`02:36.43`	`Denzil`	`no?`
`02:37.04`	`Denzil`	`im not asking it to target a demon i want to check my target`
`02:37.17`	`Corrodias`	`i don't think target type is an option`
`02:37.22`	`Denzil`	`you can check for friendly and hostile`
`02:37.28`	`cladhaire`	`You can't do that`
`02:37.30`	`Corrodias`	`yes indeed. that's reaction.`
`02:37.32`	`Nom-`	`Even still, I'd never touch one with a 10 ft barge pole :)`
`02:37.36`	`Nom-`	`I never buy pre-boxed computers`
`02:37.43`	`Nom-`	`I buy performance parts and put it together myself`
`02:37.49`	`cladhaire`	`Nom-: shrug`
`02:37.51`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Question: what speeds are the normal and epic flying mounts (land/air). No looking it up, just want confirmation.`
`02:37.58`	`cladhaire`	`Kirkburn\|afk: 60% and 100%`
`02:37.58`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`60/60 and 280/100`
`02:38.08`	`Denzil`	`280% epic flying`
`02:38.13`	`axxo`	`what Tierrie\|Work said`
`02:38.18`	`cladhaire`	`i didn't read flying, lol`
`02:38.19`	`Corrodias`	`100% on the ground for BOTH.`
`02:38.24`	`axxo`	`no`
`02:38.32`	`axxo`	`60% on ground`
`02:38.32`	`Nom-`	`I dare you to find a pre-boxed computer (I'm talking Dell/IBM etc) that has top of the line graphics cards, motherboards etc and doesn't go cheap on any components`
`02:38.37`	`Denzil`	`normal one is slower then 100% on the ground`
`02:38.45`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`I was about to say "good, now why do people keep editing it?" ... but now I know.`
`02:38.50`	`Nom-`	`They're pretty much non-existent`
`02:38.55`	`Corrodias`	`wowwiki disagrees...`
`02:39.00`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`wowwiki lies`
`02:39.02`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`I said don't look it up`
`02:39.06`	`cladhaire`	`Nom-: You're missing the point.`
`02:39.07`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`And no, it doesn't disagree`
`02:39.11`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`heh`
`02:39.13`	`seebs`	`Hey, before I start writing yet another addon, I want to know whether my addon already exists.`
`02:39.15`	`cladhaire`	`Nom-: shrug and I'm not goign to try to convince you :P`
`02:39.19`	`Nom-`	`hehe`
`02:39.31`	`Nom-`	`I suppose for the average person Windows probably crashes a lot`
`02:39.31`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Corrodias, if you can point me to where it says that? :)`
`02:39.37`	`seebs`	`I want to write something that looks like the quest watch window, but can track things that aren't quests, so you can set your own objectives, or can track quests too.`
`02:39.39`	`cladhaire`	`Especially with custom components.`
`02:39.40`	`Nom-`	`But I can't even remember the last time I rebooted mine`
`02:39.45`	`Corrodias`	`why would the mounts which take even more money to learn how to ride be slower than the cheaper epic ground mounts?`
`02:39.54`	`cladhaire`	`if microsoft controlled their own hardware, they migh thave a chance at stability too`
`02:39.58`	`Corrodias`	`it said it on the /Mounts page. someone may have changed it, or i may have misread it.`
`02:40.04`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Because they're not supposed to replace epic land mounts`
`02:40.13`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=32242`
`02:40.16`	`Widgertick`	`Seebs: Haven't seen anything like that, but it sounds interesting.`
`02:40.33`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`vs http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=32239`
`02:40.36`	`axxo`	`225 mounts are 60/60, 300 are 280/100`
`02:40.39`	`seebs`	`My idea is to let you shift-click ANY quest, not just those with "objectives" listed, and then also to let you define your own quests.`
`02:40.42`	`Corrodias`	`then why make the epic fliers 100% on the ground?`
`02:41.12`	`cladhaire`	`because it makes sense`
`02:41.14`	`cladhaire`	`a flying mount`
`02:41.15`	`cladhaire`	`flies.`
`02:41.23`	`cladhaire`	`if you make that same animal run, they're going to go slower =)`
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`02:41.33`	`Corrodias`	`you missed part of the conversation, i think`
`02:41.36`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`I will source using Wowhead`
`02:41.39`	`Tain`	`Wait wait`
`02:41.44`	`Tain`	`Flying mounts... fly?`
`02:41.49`	`cladhaire`	`... what did i miss?`
`02:41.54`	`cladhaire`	`nothing`
`02:41.55`	`Nom-`	`There we go, I last restarted on the 30th of December :P`
`02:42.10`	`cladhaire`	`Nom-: Grats!`
`02:42.15`	`seebs`	`If it works, it can replace the standard quest watch window.`
`02:42.24`	`seebs`	`Although quest update events are WAY too frequent.`
`02:42.27`	`Denzil`	`Nom-, Mac i take it?`
`02:42.30`	`Tain`	`What a coincidence Nom! That's the last time I changed my socks!`
`02:42.32`	`Nom-`	`Hell no`
`02:42.34`	`Nom-`	`Windows XP`
`02:42.37`	`Corrodias`	`well, i'm disappointed.`
`02:42.47`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Oh and btw, the Swift Nether Drake goes at 310% :)`
`02:42.54`	`Nom-`	`And I believe I restarted to take my computer outside and dust it lol`
`02:42.56`	`seebs`	`Anyway, if there's nothing like that already, I guess I'd better start coding.`
`02:43.07`	`Nom-`	`So yeah, it'd still be running for months before then if not for that`
`02:43.10`	`seebs`	`Bleh! I hate it when I have to write UI code.`
`02:43.17`	`Corrodias`	`cladhaire: we were talking about flying mounts not being designed to replace land mounts, thus they go slower on land than land mounts. but the epic ones don't.`
`02:43.18`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Corrodias, the normal flying mount isn't a replacement, but the epic flying is :)`
`02:43.27`	`Corrodias`	`oh that explains everything! ;/`
`02:43.31`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`heh`
`02:43.32`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`oh yeah`
`02:43.36`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`That's what Blizz stated :P`
`02:43.43`	`Denzil`	`Nom-, so whats the secret to keeping a clean, noncrashing windows?`
`02:43.45`	`axxo`	`flying is still imba even at 60%`
`02:44.00`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`there's one that goes at 280 and one that goes at 310`
`02:44.01`	`seebs`	`I think the secret to keeping Windows clean and functional is not to use it.`
`02:44.05`	`Corrodias`	`why would they make the normal flying mount slower on land? it just means people have to keep switching mounts if they want proper speed out of them`
`02:44.07`	`Nom-`	`Denzil: Don't install crap :)`
`02:44.25`	`seebs`	`If you don't browse or use it for downloads, and run only a fixed set of applications on it, it can be moderately stable.`
`02:44.27`	`Denzil`	`lol true`
`02:44.29`	`norgs_away`	`Corrodias: i don't believe it's slower on land`
`02:44.31`	`Aalny`	`Anyone happen to know off hand how to trigger the in-game OOM event from code.....aside from doing something like DoEmote(oom) etc.?`
`02:44.33`	`Nom-`	`Denzil: Use Firefox instead of MSIE`
`02:44.36`	`Corrodias`	`i'll never have a chance to get the 310. emo sigh~`
`02:44.45`	`norgs_away`	`it's a 60% mount on land or in the air afaik`
`02:44.48`	`seebs`	`I mean, you still get random crap like "on this motherboard, it won't go into sleep mode" or whatever, but it's FAIRLY stable.`
`02:44.49`	`Denzil`	`i do but things still go downhill`
`02:44.52`	`Nom-`	`As long as you stay away from crap like Yahoo! Messenger etc you're fine`
`02:44.56`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Yes, the normal flying mount is 60/60`
`02:44.59`	`Tain`	`Do pigeons run very fast?`
`02:45.00`	`Corrodias`	`norgs: we .. we just covered this. the normal flying mount is 60% on land, while epic land mounts are 100%`
`02:45.02`	`cladhaire`	`...`
`02:45.16`	`Widgertick`	`Wait, wait. Are the normal flying mounts 60% on land, and the epic ones 100%?`
`02:45.22`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`what's an "in-game OOM event"`
`02:45.23`	`Corrodias`	`that's what i'm hearing`
`02:45.30`	`cladhaire`	`Corrodias: I think you're the one missing the point. The epic flying mount goes 280% in the air, and 100% on the ground. That's all I was saying.`
`02:45.31`	`Corrodias`	`out of mana?`
`02:45.32`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`It's just a way to make people buy each type of mount along the way`
`02:45.34`	`Aalny`	`yeah`
`02:45.35`	`norgs_away`	`yeah, i'm saying it's not "slower on land, but faster in the air", it's a 60% mount full-stop`
`02:45.36`	`Nom-`	`Yes, correct, epics are +100% ground speed`
`02:45.37`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`i know its out of mana`
`02:45.37`	`seebs`	`So, uhm. This is probably a dumb question, but if you were going to do a window similar in style to QuestWatchFrame, how would you do it? Just a frame with multiple text widgets in it, or what?`
`02:45.45`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`but what is "in-game oom EVENT"`
`02:46.07`	`Nom-`	`Normal Flying Mount is still faster to get around than the epic ground mount`
`02:46.11`	`Aalny`	`like...how to play the race/gender specific sound and corresponding red error message that normally happens when you try to cast a spell and don't have enough mana`
`02:46.24`	`cladhaire`	`so back to what Tierrie said in the very beginning.. 60/60, and 280/100 (flying/land)`
`02:46.30`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`The error 'message' when your char says "I've run out of mana", I guess`
`02:46.34`	`Corrodias`	`grr`
`02:46.43`	`norgs_away`	`nah, it's 60% in both modes... just you can go in a direct line, so it seems faster`
`02:46.48`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Circular discussion. Fun.`
`02:46.49`	`Widgertick`	`Seebs: You don't plan on the things being interactable, do you?`
`02:46.49`	`Corrodias`	`i suppose not dealing with mobs is worth the speed difference`
`02:46.59`	`cladhaire`	`indeed`
`02:47.26`	`cladhaire`	`hell, the ability to hover anywhere untouched is worth it alone`
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`02:47.43`	`seebs`	`Widger: I sorta do.`
`02:47.46`	`Aalny`	`for instance, there's a lua function NotWhileDeadError()....I'm looking for something similar to use for Out of Mana`
`02:47.56`	`seebs`	`Well, wait. No, they don't have to be clickable. You'd get to them through other interfaces.`
`02:48.00`	`Corrodias`	`a player is rarely at 0 mana`
`02:48.16`	`Widgertick`	`Then multiple text widgets would probably work fine =)`
`02:48.20`	`Corrodias`	`except maybe warriors and rogues :D`
`02:48.21`	`seebs`	`In an ideal world, it would be set so that if you shift-click on a quest, or a recipe, I can tell what you clicked on and extract the components.`
`02:48.23`	`Nom-`	`Corrodias: I'd have to say never...`
`02:48.37`	`Nom-`	`Actually, I suppose it can happen...warlock mana drain or mana burn`
`02:48.39`	`seebs`	`Is there a sane way to resize windows dynamically, like, to add additional rows, or am I stuck with a fixed set of rows?`
`02:48.41`	`Nom-`	`but that wouldn't last long`
`02:48.41`	`Corrodias`	`in normal play? could be never.`
`02:48.58`	`Widgertick`	`Seebs: Yes is the short answer.`
`02:49.02`	`Nom-`	`first tick out of the 5 second rule and you're back above 0`
`02:49.45`	`cladhaire`	`zomg aldor or scryer!`
`02:50.02`	`Corrodias`	`you know i like the aldor chicks.`
`02:50.16`	`Widgertick`	`It really depends on how you have the frames setup.`
`02:50.23`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`Isn't there like a Aldor vs Scryer page linked from the front page of WoWWiki`
`02:50.38`	`cladhaire`	`Tierrie\|Work: Yeah, I'm just being obnoxious`
`02:50.52`	`seebs`	`Heh. Well, "possible" is a start.`
`02:51.02`	`seebs`	`Hmm.`
`02:51.13`	`seebs`	`I have a lot of complicated crud to deal with, I can tell.`
`02:51.19`	`Widgertick`	`If you want, you can see some dynamic frame creation code in the Lukewarm library I have posted on wowinterface`
`02:51.28`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`Soooo`
`02:51.32`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`Who is upgrading to Vista`
`02:51.34`	`seebs`	`This is a really cool UI idea, but it's going to be a nightmare to figure it all out. I think I'll start with just making it into a quest-watcher.`
`02:51.42`	`seebs`	`Not me. Vista convinced me to switch to running WoW on Linux.`
`02:51.48`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`why?`
`02:52.07`	`seebs`	`I'm sick of the amount of CPU time lost to nested attempts to protect the computer from the possibility that I might use it.`
`02:52.18`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`turn it off`
`02:52.23`	`seebs`	`Between DRM, spyware, antivirus, and the insane bloat of the "core" system... It's doomed.`
`02:52.25`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`see, this is my problem`
`02:52.31`	`Aalny`	`Ok, how about this. Does anyone know the path to the race/gender specific sound files so I can roll my own Out of Mana notification?`
`02:52.33`	`Tain`	`Complete FUD, seebs.`
`02:52.33`	`Corrodias`	`using TBag for the first time is like wearing a new style of underwear. it's somewhat exciting and everything is well-arranged, but it is still a little uncomfortable for now.`
`02:52.38`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Yay, I love stupid MS conversations.`
`02:52.41`	`seebs`	`No, really, it's not.`
`02:52.46`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`people bitch and moan about the computer being prone to virus, so they secure it, then people complain that its too secure`
`02:52.46`	`Tain`	`Yep, it really is.`
`02:52.48`	`cladhaire`	`is there something wrong with me, based on the fact that i like to fly to the zone ceiling, and then plummet to the ground, playing clicken with my flight form =)`
`02:52.49`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Yes, really, it is.`
`02:52.57`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`I'm running Vista. It's FAST.`
`02:53.02`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`I suppose they can do what linux does and make the thing so obscure that it protects itself through obscurity`
`02:53.08`	`seebs`	`Fast compared to what?`
`02:53.15`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`XP? Which isn't slow?`
`02:53.20`	`Tain`	`omgwtf Vista creates DRM where there was none! From the ether!`
`02:53.28`	`Corrodias`	`i read unpleasant things about Vista :P`
`02:53.33`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`this is why we are on the etherweb`
`02:53.44`	`Corrodias`	`the only defense against those unpleasant things anybody has told me is "you shouldn't want to do that"`
`02:53.48`	`seebs`	`Look at it this way. How many clock cycles, per day, are going to go into even stub calls to provide hooks for DRM? My goal is "zero".`
`02:53.48`	`Tain`	`Also the chick on House tonight is hot.`
`02:53.56`	`Tain`	`Then zero you have.`
`02:54.12`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`woah woah this conversation is too hot`
`02:54.13`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`What on earth do you think DRM is?`
`02:54.14`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`lets change topics`
`02:54.18`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`who likes abortions?`
`02:54.18`	`seebs`	`Yeah, let's.`
`02:54.21`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`(safer topic)`
`02:54.30`	`seebs`	`It comes down to "I have no need for anything Windows does anymore".`
`02:54.34`	`Tain`	`Don't use DRM'd media/software/etc. and poof magically you are not impacted by DRM.`
`02:54.41`	`seebs`	`The last thing I was doing on it was WoW. Linux on the same hardware works.`
`02:54.45`	`cladhaire`	`Tierrie\|Work: Better than those damn homosexuals.. wanting to get married!`
`02:54.48`	`seebs`	`Heh.`
`02:54.56`	`Aalny`	`Lordy, did I join the wrong channel? I was directed here as a source of help for authoring WoW addons.`
`02:55.11`	`seebs`	`Heh.`
`02:55.11`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`See, with these channel its like "Hey anyone using Vista?" and hell erupts. But when its like "hey lets abort a baby" cladhaire is like "meh..."`
`02:55.11`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`lolz`
`02:55.11`	`Tain`	`Homosexuals should be able to get married. They have every right to be just as miserable as the rest of us.`
`02:55.13`	`Corrodias`	`the best way for those of us who don't like DRM to use windows is to buy even less retail media than we used to`
`02:55.20`	`cladhaire`	`Tain: blah blah, blah, heard it.`
`02:55.26`	`Corrodias`	`doesn't quite seem like what the producers were going for, but it's what they're getting`
`02:55.36`	`Tain`	`Marriage is like DRM.`
`02:55.38`	`seebs`	`I've found that it works fine for me to just ignore it. I use Unix, I can listen to CDs, I'm happy.`
`02:55.43`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`haha`
`02:55.49`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`I'm getting my copy of Vista Ultimate through the post 2moro, hopefully :)`
`02:56.04`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`I came here to mention something ...`
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`02:56.12`	`cladhaire`	`EFF it`
`02:56.13`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Totally forgotten what`
`02:56.16`	`cladhaire`	`the scryer tabard is so much cooler`
`02:56.17`	`cladhaire`	`done and done`
`02:56.25`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`....`
`02:56.35`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`so, out of the stuff provided in Aldor vs Scryers`
`02:56.41`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`what with the recipes for tradeskills`
`02:56.41`	`cladhaire`	`who wants the damn purple tabard`
`02:56.44`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`enchantments for shoulders`
`02:56.48`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`and all that stuff`
`02:56.49`	`cladhaire`	`THE GAYS i tell you`
`02:56.56`	`Tain`	`I heard Scryers are full of the gay.`
`02:56.59`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`you chose SCRYERS BECAUSE ALDORS HAD A PURPLE TABARD?!`
`02:57.08`	`Corrodias`	`aldor have GIRLS WITH TAILS`
`02:57.09`	`cladhaire`	`Tierrie\|Work: I don't like gay people.`
`02:57.19`	`seebs`	`Okay, back to the AddOn stuff.`
`02:57.20`	`Tain`	`cladhaire is a racist!`
`02:57.27`	`Cairenn`	`roflmao @ cladhaire`
`02:57.31`	`Corrodias`	`hey, i wear purple and i'm not gay`
`02:57.36`	`Corrodias`	`i'm a king!`
`02:57.38`	`seebs`	`I have no idea whether or not I'm gay.`
`02:57.49`	`Tain`	`I don't want to sound gay or anything, but I think unicorns are pretty sweet.`
`02:57.50`	`Corrodias`	`i've tried gay. i just don't like penis as much as breasts & vagina`
`02:57.56`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`well, turn around and if there's a man smiling and waving at you from behind, you might be gay`
`02:58.07`	`Kirov`	`I'm a tier 2 hunter, I'm secure enough with my masculinity to wear purple.`
`02:58.11`	`seebs`	`Heh.`
`02:58.12`	`Tain`	`"I'm not gay but my boyfriend is."`
`02:58.14`	`Corrodias`	`..-he- might be gay`
`02:58.16`	`Cairenn`	`I'm gay, but I'm also heterosexual`
`02:58.40`	`seebs`	`So, how would I go about doing something similar to the QuestWatchFrame? It seems to change size depending on its contents. Is that automatic, or does one have to write code for it?`
`02:58.58`	`cladhaire`	`Tierrie\|Work: Well.. to look at things.. Scryer has leather, Aldor doesn't. Scryer has the healer cane, Aldor doesn't. Scryer's enchantments is 22 +healing 6mp5, versus ALdor's 33 +healing, 4mp5. In short, there's a minor difference overall`
`02:59.01`	`Tain`	`I'm not gay but I'm also heterosexual. But some day I'll be happy!`
`02:59.08`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`btw clad, you can switch from aldor to scryer, its not difficult`
`02:59.22`	`cladhaire`	`its not "easy"`
`02:59.24`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`cladhaire: not if you're alchemist, only the scryers have a recipe :)`
`02:59.25`	`cladhaire`	`=)`
`02:59.30`	`cladhaire`	`I'm not, I'm a LW`
`02:59.31`	`Widgertick`	`Seebs: You need to resize the frame.`
`02:59.32`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`well, i only planned on getting to revered`
`02:59.36`	`seebs`	`Blar.`
`02:59.38`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`then I might hop the fence`
`02:59.39`	`cladhaire`	`so its either a shit FR set, or a shit AR set =)`
`02:59.39`	`Cairenn`	`gay /geɪ/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[gey] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation adjective, -er, -est, noun, adverb –adjective 1.having or showing a merry, lively mood: gay spirits; gay music. 2.bright or showy: gay colors; gay ornaments. 3.given to or abounding in social or other pleasures: a gay social season. 4.licentious; dissipated; wanton: The baron is a gay old rogue with an eye for t`
`02:59.46`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`and be like "I USED J00Z ELFS"`
`02:59.47`	`Kirov`	`seebs - could do it either way`
`02:59.57`	`cladhaire`	`Ghey: Meaning.. those who are Ghey`
`03:00.01`	`seebs`	`I really do wish Blizzard had included a fairly trivial basic windowing environment.`
`03:00.22`	`Corrodias`	`what do we have?`
`03:00.28`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`A partay?`
`03:00.30`	`norgs_away`	`I'm with Cairenn, take back the word.`
`03:00.34`	`Tain`	`I'm still annoyed that my Tivo started recording Full House instead of House tonight.`
`03:00.42`	`cladhaire`	`Tierrie\|Work: Scryers also have the armor kit.. not that it doesn't suck =)`
`03:00.48`	`cladhaire`	`but the Aldor one is useless for me =)`
`03:00.53`	`Corrodias`	`can't you put in, like, "regular House"?`
`03:00.54`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Tain, send it to bed without dinner`
`03:00.55`	`seebs`	`I think the word's pretty much doomed now.`
`03:00.58`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`Tain: your TV thinks you're gay`
`03:01.00`	`Tain`	`VERY ANNOYED`
`03:01.07`	`Corrodias`	`jesse is pretty hot...`
`03:01.10`	`cladhaire`	`so again, based on the tabard.`
`03:01.10`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`Hey Danny Tanner!`
`03:01.12`	`cladhaire`	`Scryer ftw`
`03:01.18`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Noo, Aldor!`
`03:01.25`	`Corrodias`	`and full house had three horribly ugly little children`
`03:01.35`	`Tain`	`Also the commercials for Bridge to Terabithia make me angry. Very angry.`
`03:01.36`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Aldor has big hunky draenei =)`
`03:01.39`	`Corrodias`	`just kidding. only slightly ugly.`
`03:01.56`	`Corrodias`	`i SWEAR that's not an Ent`
`03:02.37`	`Corrodias`	`okay, Tain, why?`
`03:02.54`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/photo/2007-01/25/content_792496.htm`
`03:03.03`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`I'm angry someone stole Hoshi from me as my sexy draenei's name :(`
`03:03.04`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/photo/2007-01/25/content_792519.htm <-- <3`
`03:03.06`	`Tain`	`Because I read the book when I was a kid. And it has absolutely nothing to do with the commercials they are showing.`
`03:03.20`	`Cairenn`	`norgs: ever hear the song "The Silly Slang Song"? sums it up beautifully`
`03:03.28`	`Tain`	`And also because it is a sad, sad story and people aren't going to like the ending. :(`
`03:04.05`	`Corrodias`	`wait`
`03:04.10`	`cladhaire`	`Tain: Yeah I agree`
`03:04.14`	`Corrodias`	`if the book has nothing to do with the ads, why would the movie have the same ending?`
`03:04.23`	`Cairenn`	`http://www.theballadeers.com/Lyrics_S2a.htm`
`03:04.38`	`Tain`	`Because they need to draw people in, Corrodias`
`03:05.04`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`The society of Warcraft: draenei - the gym freaks, undead - the hobos, blood elves - the metrosexuals, gnomes - the nerds, dwarves - the drinkers, they're all there`
`03:05.22`	`Tain`	`Friggin book made me cry when I was like 10.`
`03:06.08`	`Tain`	`Because I'm a sensitive motherfucker.`
`03:06.19`	`Corrodias`	`that amuses me`
`03:06.27`	`Mikma`	`http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/photo/2007-01/25/content_792497.htm <- winner`
`03:07.33`	`Nom-`	`A WOMAN driving to a Brisbane court to face a drink-driving charge crashed into cars outside the building because she was more than five times the legal limit, police alleged today.`
`03:07.42`	`Nom-`	`Some people ...`
`03:07.46`	`Nom-`	`Utter stupidity`
`03:07.58`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Mikma, awwwww`
`03:08.21`	`Mikma`	`absolutely a winner :D`
`03:09.24`	`Nom-`	`omg cute overload :)`
`03:11.00`	`Tain`	`Why are they feeding the giant panda cub human fingers?`
`03:11.50`	`Mikma`	`it has lots of protein in it, yummy yummy`
`03:11.52`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Can't you it's a vampire panda?`
`03:12.05`	`seebs`	`Hmm. I have yet another dumb newbie question: If I have a frame, and I want to resize it so it can hold more lines of text, how do I know what size to make it?`
`03:12.32`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Bigger ^^`
`03:12.38`	`Mikma`	`throw a dice :D`
`03:12.48`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Ask an 8-ball!`
`03:13.11`	`Tain`	`~8ball how big should it be?`
`03:13.12`	`purl`	`I'm not sure.`
`03:13.33`	`Mikma`	`~8ball Big or Bigger?`
`03:13.35`	`purl`	`No.`
`03:13.49`	`Mikma`	`O_O ok then, stupid purl`
`03:13.51`	`Tain`	`I'm afraid purl has spoken and there is no answer.`
`03:13.51`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`+8ball Smaller?!`
`03:14.05`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`~8ball Smaller, you bloody keyboard!?`
`03:14.06`	`purl`	`Absolutely.`
`03:14.26`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`seebs, do you mind bending the laws of physics?`
`03:14.37`	`Mikma`	`~8ball will i get surprise buttsecks today?`
`03:14.39`	`purl`	`Yes.`
`03:14.44`	`seebs`	`Kirkburn: Maybe.`
`03:14.50`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Mikma, lucky you!`
`03:15.00`	`Mikma`	`wohoo!`
`03:15.16`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Christmas is coming twice this year :P`
`03:15.45`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`And on that note, I go to watch Family Guy, then sleep. G'night all!`
`03:15.46`	`Tain`	`You probably should have asked if the surprise is giving or receivivng.`
`03:15.52`	`Mikma`	`I'm like a child with new toy :D`
`03:16.37`	`seebs`	`Hmm. It looks like what I ought to do is use GetFont() on the object to get height, then make the frame's total height be lines*N.`
`03:17.12`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`I want a Panda pet`
`03:17.16`	`Tain`	`~8ball should seebs use GetFont() on the object to get height, then make the frame's total height be lines*N?`
`03:17.18`	`purl`	`Are you smoking crack?`
`03:17.19`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`be like "rawr"`
`03:17.37`	`Tain`	`Sorry seebs, purl doesn't agree.`
`03:18.08`	`seebs`	`Heh.`
`03:18.25`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Cairenn, you've been putting stuff in the water here too, haven't you!`
`03:18.29`	`Mikma`	`lol... "Goblin Pit Boss says: Larry brought us booze! Let's party!"`
`03:18.48`	`Cairenn`	`me? nevah! /flutters lashes innocently some more`
`03:18.53`	`Mikma`	`i sure know how to make goblins happy... suprise buttsecks!`
`03:19.52`	`Tain`	`I don't think surprise is the way to go. It is best when it is something you and your goblin partner talk about and are both comfortable with.`
`03:20.05`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Oh those eyelashes, they mesmerise me so. I feel sleeepyyyy`
`03:20.19`	`Tain`	`If you fall asleep you'll get a surprise.`
`03:20.31`	`Mikma`	`buttsecks!`
`03:20.36`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`~8ball will it be Mikma?`
`03:20.38`	`purl`	`I'm sure of it.`
`03:20.43`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Yay!`
`03:20.59`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`I need stuff to read`
`03:21.02`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`I think I'm a newsjunkie`
`03:21.06`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`read all of digg and reddit`
`03:21.16`	`Tain`	`Have you tried surprisebuttsecks.com?`
`03:21.43`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`no i rather not pay commercial websites for buttsecks`
`03:21.43`	`Mikma`	`no, will do now`
`03:22.09`	`Tain`	`I think Cairenn has a surprise coming`
`03:22.16`	`Cairenn`	`lol`
`03:22.18`	`Mikma`	`:D`
`03:22.28`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`buttsecks!`
`03:22.29`	`Cairenn`	`Tain baby, you only wish ....`
`03:22.47`	`Tain`	`If I rubbed a lamp i'd still have two other wishes.`
`03:23.13`	`Cairenn`	`lol, not saying a word to that one ;)`
`03:23.14`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`you'd ask for money, life and buttsecks?`
`03:23.43`	`Tain`	`Only one way to see, I'll try to rub one out`
`03:24.20`	`Mikma`	`Tain: remember, the lamp is NOT inside your pants`
`03:24.23`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`Tain\|AfkRubbingOnALamp?`
`03:24.40`	`Tain`	`I'm a little bit surprised that someone does own surprisebuttsecks.com`
`03:24.47`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`hey kirk how come the page "Alchemy" doesn't have anything on the very important Discovery stuff`
`03:25.04`	`Tain`	`Well Tierrie, discovery is an important part of any young person's life.`
`03:25.15`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Discovery?`
`03:25.16`	`Mikma`	`haha`
`03:25.30`	`Tain`	`clad's faking it`
`03:25.38`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`sneak up behind him`
`03:25.40`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`haha`
`03:25.57`	`Tain`	`Surprise!`
`03:26.27`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Soon it will change to clad\|headache ...`
`03:28.38`	`Tain`	`I think I've finally stopped laughing enough to go to bed.`
`03:31.20`	`Cairenn`	`sweet dreams Tain`
`03:31.59`	`Mikma`	`i still think this is pretty damn sweet: http://matin.maapallo.org/kuvatuuppari/wulff/410/20070129.gif`
`03:39.18`	`seebs`	`ARGH.`
`03:39.25`	`seebs`	`I finally start actually coding my BEAUTIFUL addon.`
`03:39.52`	`seebs`	`Within thirty seconds, my friend with the abusive family is asking questions to which the only answer is "GO TO A SHELTER" and another friend wants to know whether or not to tell her boyfriend she's probably pregnant.`
`03:39.53`	`seebs`	`WHY?`
`03:40.14`	`seebs`	`There was a 12-hour period today during which I would not have been trying to write a program. They could have asked me THEN.`
`03:40.55`	`Mikma`	`seebs: put a DND message on and continue coding`
`03:41.03`	`seebs`	`snerk`
`03:41.07`	`Mikma`	`"all signs point to YES"`
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`04:21.25`	`seebs`	`Is there a way, other than making my own chatframe like thing, to detect shift-clicks on objects that would generate links if sent in chat?`
`04:22.04`	`seebs`	`I'm working on a todo list addon, and I'm currently supporting "/todo add object <shift-click>", but it seems like some other interface might be nice.`
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`04:34.38`	`Nom-`	`yay, DBIx::Class ftw`
`04:34.40`	`Nom-`	`print $row->itemId, $row->strings( locale => 'enUS' )->first->name1;`
`04:34.47`	`Nom-`	`evilgrin`
`04:37.01`	`seebs`	`Argh. I can't find any quest log API function to let me query what needs to be killed to complete a quest.`
`04:37.26`	`Nom-`	`heh`
`04:37.43`	`Nom-`	`Quest Objectives is what you're after`
`04:38.31`	`seebs`	`Except it doesn't seem to be. That has sentences like "Bob wants you to kill", but it doesn't have the "Manawraiths slain: 0/5".`
`04:39.13`	`seebs`	`Hmm. I should steal code; I know quest log mods do this alla time.`
`04:40.15`	`Shadowed`	`seebs: Check the blizzard code`
`04:40.27`	`Nom-`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetQuestLogQuestText`
`04:40.59`	`seebs`	`Ahh! LeaderBord.`
`04:41.01`	`seebs`	`Board.`
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`04:46.56`	`Mike-N-Go`	`seebs`
`04:46.56`	`Mike-N-Go`	`ping`
`04:47.57`	`seebs`	`Heya.`
`04:48.09`	`seebs`	`I'm about half here. I'm trying to fix up a quest watcher mod.`
`04:48.21`	`Tierrie`	`ok`
`04:48.22`	`Mike-N-Go`	`I updated my mod :)`
`04:48.28`	`Tierrie`	`for a brief moment I couldn't tell if this was #perl or #wowi`
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`04:51.50`	`seebs`	`Cool.`
`04:52.10`	`seebs`	`I got an update of it within the last day or two.`
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`04:52.55`	`seebs`	`One suggestion I might make, if you aren't doing it already: If I hold down the key used for specific categories, and a category has no defined recipient, use the master by default.`
`04:53.21`	`seebs`	`But it does seem to be working very well.`
`04:54.07`	`seebs`	`I'm fractionally done with my todo list mod. I need to figure out how to watch inventory changes. I know how to watch mob deaths.`
`04:54.54`	`seebs`	`Actually, though, I'm not sure how to check for "party members kill mob". I guess I just check the name of a killer against all party member names.`
`05:00.53`	`Mike-N-Go`	`Your last suggestion, I don't like it.`
`05:01.16`	`Mike-N-Go`	`I would rather them set up the keybindings.`
`05:04.00`	`seebs`	`I am torn. The thing is, then it takes up two keys. I don't really want to use two keys, so I'd rather just have a fallback. Of course, in practice, I just use "/amd all" exclusively now.`
`05:04.45`	`Mike-N-Go`	`What is wrong about 2 keys?`
`05:06.44`	`seebs`	`WoW doesn't have enough keys available to begin with. :)`
`05:07.02`	`seebs`	`Also, from a practical standpoint, I just wanna hold down a key and spam clicks. I don't want to have to switch from one key to another.`
`05:07.13`	`Mike-N-Go`	`Ues 2 keys for one key bind :)`
`05:07.21`	`Mike-N-Go`	`Like shift and something else`
`05:07.40`	`seebs`	`Well, the key I picked was insert, and shift-insert isn't the most comfy thing.`
`05:07.41`	`Mike-N-Go`	`Why does [Snowball] not melt?`
`05:07.51`	`Mike-N-Go`	`r`
`05:07.57`	`Mike-N-Go`	`What does insert do?`
`05:08.03`	`seebs`	`But in the common case, say I normally just send everything to guildbank, but today only, I want to send tradegoods to Bob.`
`05:08.10`	`seebs`	`(Insert's just a key, I bound it to be my AMD key.)`
`05:08.25`	`seebs`	`So, I normally just have "/amd master Guildbank", but I also do "/amd Trade Goods Bob".`
`05:08.49`	`seebs`	`I would prefer just holding down a single key and clicking everything, having the sorting happen automatically, than having to switch keys depending on whether or not something is a trade good.`
`05:09.08`	`seebs`	`I guess it's the principle of least astonishment.`
`05:09.33`	`seebs`	`If I have defined only one category, say, Armor, but I have a Master category set, the behavior I'd expect would be that I'd get the "default" character, that being the one who gets everything else.`
`05:09.51`	`Mike-N-Go`	`Well, if you really want that, you can change it :)`
`05:10.06`	`seebs`	`Yeah.`
`05:10.08`	`Mike-N-Go`	`I had enough trouble making it work as it is..`
`05:10.21`	`seebs`	`Anyway, for now, it just means that in practice I ignore the type-specific things and only have the "master" key bound.`
`05:10.26`	`seebs`	`Hmm.`
`05:10.44`	`seebs`	`So, if I have a link to an enchant, is there a cheap way to find out its requirements, or do I have to make a tooltip and parse it by hand?`
`05:11.01`	`Mike-N-Go`	`I have no clue.`
`05:11.19`	`seebs`	`I'm working on my todo mod.`
`05:11.38`	`seebs`	`I want to allow "/todo add (shift-click enchant)" and have it put the reagents for the enchant up as though they were a quest.`
`05:12.12`	`Mike-N-Go`	`So, you want to send all trade goods to one toon, yet everything else to your guild bank?`
`05:14.47`	`Mike-N-Go`	`Honstly, many people helped me with the code.`
`05:14.55`	`Mike-N-Go`	`I just patched it together.`
`05:15.03`	`seebs`	`Well, it's working fine as is.`
`05:15.20`	`seebs`	`My thought is, I view the master as sort of a "default" -- send things here if I haven't got someplace else to send them.`
`05:18.36`	`Mike-N-Go`	`"/amd Trade Goods Bob"`
`05:18.44`	`Mike-N-Go`	`Has to be typed in as "/amd TradeGoods Bob"`
`05:22.26`	`Corrodias`	`well, i definitely like TBag. sometimes i have to search around for an item because i don't know where it has been categorized, but at least it's not as bad as searching around for an item because i don't know where the hell it is`
`05:22.30`	`seebs`	`Anyway, I'm sorta distracted, because I have a mod fractionally on its way to replacing the quest watch.`
`05:22.50`	`seebs`	`I am torn about TBag. All the bag addons end up being sort of annoying to me.`
`05:23.07`	`seebs`	`I'm loving Sanity in principle, but I get weird UI errors that may or may not be related to it, or caused by clashes with something else.`
`05:23.19`	`Corrodias`	`i get really neurotic about having things organized, and tbag helps with that a -lot-`
`05:23.26`	`seebs`	`I can imagine.`
`05:23.47`	`seebs`	`So, I have four major tasks left for my mod.`
`05:24.06`	`Corrodias`	`is wowinterface down?`
`05:24.15`	`Mike-N-Go`	`Seebs!`
`05:24.17`	`seebs`	`One is tracking items coming in or leaving. I'd like to do this in the most efficient way possible. So, say, not "checking every bag slot in OnUpdate".`
`05:24.18`	`Mike-N-Go`	`Guess what?`
`05:24.20`	`seebs`	`?`
`05:24.49`	`Corrodias`	`how about checking what items are when there's an inventory update? does the event tell you what has changed?`
`05:24.53`	`seebs`	`Another is counting "X slain" type goals, for which I presumably want to look for "X has slain Y" messages and check to see whether it's a party member.`
`05:25.10`	`seebs`	`Not sure about the events; still thinking about what I need to get working before I start on it.`
`05:25.13`	`Corrodias`	`you could... rip off questsfu's code`
`05:25.26`	`Kemayo`	`That would be wrong!`
`05:25.30`	`seebs`	`Yeah, I might end up doing some code stealing. :)`
`05:25.32`	`Corrodias`	`and efficient!`
`05:25.43`	`Kemayo`	`Mostly because you'd want to rip off Quixote.`
`05:25.43`	`Mike-N-Go`	`I modified AutoMailDirector.lua for a special version for you.`
`05:26.06`	`seebs`	`Another thing I want is some hook to let me treat a tradeskill item as a quest.`
`05:26.10`	`Mike-N-Go`	`That if you invoke the master Key, then trade goods will send to your trade goods toon.`
`05:26.37`	`seebs`	`So, something like "/todo add [shift-click Fiery Weapon]" which produces a "quest" for 4 small radiant shards and an essence of fire.`
`05:26.38`	`Kemayo`	`Actually, Quixote doesn't track other party members quest progress unless they're also using it and can share the info through AceComm.`
`05:26.47`	`Kemayo`	`So you'd pretty much have to implement that on your own.`
`05:26.49`	`seebs`	`I don't care about ACTUAL quests.`
`05:26.50`	`Corrodias`	`how sad, wowinterface is inaccessible`
`05:26.57`	`seebs`	`I'm trying to do an addon that lets you invent your own quests.`
`05:26.58`	`Mike-N-Go`	`I will give you the link.. as soon as pastey unlocks..`
`05:27.17`	`seebs`	`So, you'd do "/todo add monster 10 Black Drake" and it would track "Black Drakes" slain by your party.`
`05:28.13`	`seebs`	`The idea grew out of "I wish I could watch quests that have no objectives", and "I wish I could easily track progress on farming for trade goods".`
`05:28.20`	`seebs`	`BRB, must make food.`
`05:38.42`	`Mike-N-Go`	`Seebs: http://rafb.net/p/9FpQ3u40.nln.html`
`05:38.48`	`Mike-N-Go`	`Replace your AutoMailDirector.lua with that.`
`05:38.58`	`Mike-N-Go`	`And it will do what I thought it was you wanted: When the master Key is triggered, send to Trade Goods toon if it is of the Trade Goods type, otherwise send to the Master target.`
`05:39.10`	`Mike-N-Go`	`I hope that works for you.`
`05:39.21`	`Mike-N-Go`	`I said that in #lua, lol.`
`05:42.46`	`seebs`	`Heh.`
`05:43.24`	`seebs`	`Well, back to the obnoxious grind for me. Gotta figure out how to set up my window for dragging.`
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`06:05.12`	`Mike-N-Go`	`seebs, does that work for you?`
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`06:05.33`	`seebs`	`It might. Sorry, I'm gonna be distracted for a while yet.`
`06:05.39`	`seebs`	`I am obsessing on reworking my todo list.`
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`06:25.33`	`seebs`	`I am NEARLY to the point of being able to display actual text outside the command window.`
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`06:43.06`	`Flaska`	`have to... learn.... LUA!!!`
`06:43.07`	`Flaska`	`=)`
`06:44.09`	`MageRooster`	`Do you code already?`
`06:45.20`	`Flaska`	`haha soon =)`
`06:46.12`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`hrmm`
`06:46.22`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`http://www.wowhead.com/?item=25838 or http://www.wowhead.com/?item=31718 for a drood`
`06:46.52`	`Flaska`	`hmmm`
`06:47.01`	`Flaska`	`that's not easy to decide =)`
`06:47.09`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i cant find anything with decent str`
`06:47.22`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`all the melee leather is +agi/ap`
`06:47.27`	`Flaska`	`10 more agi and sta vs 76 AP`
`06:47.41`	`Flaska`	`but the cenarion chest you can socket`
`06:47.54`	`Flaska`	`are you exalted?`
`06:48.03`	`Flaska`	`or just honored?`
`06:48.09`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`honored`
`06:48.11`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`66`
`06:48.17`	`Flaska`	`they have some sockets too, =)`
`06:48.56`	`Flaska`	`I would stick to the AP one on my shaman =)I`
`06:49.35`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`no cenarion chest at exalted`
`06:49.37`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`at least`
`06:49.38`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i dont think`
`06:50.24`	`Flaska`	`am I correct: If you have several commands on the same row, you need to separate them by using semilcolon (;) but not if they are on different rows?`
`06:50.43`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`http://www.wowhead.com/?faction=942#00zc`
`06:51.10`	`Wobin`	`Flaska: Generally it's best if you don't leave them on one line =)`
`06:51.48`	`seebs`	`Hmm.`
`06:51.53`	`Flaska`	`But I am right? =)`
`06:51.56`	`Wobin`	`http://www.wowace.com/wiki/Coding_Tips`
`06:51.58`	`Wobin`	`yes`
`06:52.08`	`seebs`	`I am getting beaten down badly by dynamic creation of frames. :(`
`06:52.26`	`seebs`	`I am trying to add fontstrings to a frame, but they don't seem to show up.`
`06:52.28`	`Wobin`	`Technically you don't need brackets or semicolons at all, except when the code is ambiguous`
`06:52.43`	`Flaska`	`ok =P`
`06:52.56`	`Flaska`	`comments are put in // or?`
`06:53.45`	`Flaska`	`oh`
`06:53.45`	`Flaska`	`no`
`06:53.45`	`Wobin`	`--`
`06:53.45`	`Flaska`	`<!-- --> ?`
`06:53.45`	`Wobin`	`and --[[ ]]--`
`06:53.45`	`Wobin`	`for multiline`
`06:53.50`	`Flaska`	`k`
`06:53.59`	`Flaska`	`so --one row comment`
`06:54.12`	`Wobin`	`aye`
`06:57.00`	`Flaska`	`can I actually use array.key or do I have to use array."key" lol`
`06:59.23`	`Wobin`	`the first`
`06:59.28`	`Wobin`	`unless the key has a space in the name`
`06:59.34`	`Flaska`	`k nice`
`06:59.38`	`Wobin`	`in which case you need to use array["my key"]`
`06:59.51`	`Flaska`	`=)`
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`07:01.07`	`Flaska`	`for k in pairs(t) do print(k) end <---- does that really automatically print all table values?`
`07:01.27`	`Wobin`	`vbrb`
`07:01.54`	`Flaska`	`strange syntax =)`
`07:02.03`	`Corrodias`	`i'm going to use semicolons in my Lua just to be a rebel`
`07:02.58`	`Flaska`	`haha =)`
`07:03.04`	`Flaska`	`have you made any addons?`
`07:03.05`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`you're adding precious BYTES`
`07:03.32`	`Flaska`	`Mr_Rabies2 as much bytes as a new row?`
`07:03.48`	`Flaska`	`=P`
`07:03.49`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`what if you add both`
`07:03.53`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`OR DID I JUST BLOW YOUR MIND`
`07:04.03`	`Flaska`	`actually, almost`
`07:04.03`	`Corrodias`	`i have made some modifications to existing ones and i have made a couple of my own`
`07:04.06`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i honestly have no clue what i'm talking about i'm tired`
`07:04.18`	`Flaska`	`I'm tired to =)`
`07:04.33`	`Corrodias`	`i have a job interview later this morning`
`07:04.38`	`Corrodias`	`i should be off to bed. see ya`
`07:05.23`	`Flaska`	`haha`
`07:05.28`	`Flaska`	`Good luck =)`
`07:05.34`	`Corrodias`	`thanks`
`07:05.37`	`Corrodias`	`should be fine`
`07:05.46`	`Corrodias`	`i fully expect i'll be starting there in a couple of weeks`
`07:07.06`	`Flaska`	`What kind of job is it ? =)`
`07:08.37`	`Flaska`	`too late I guess =P`
`07:08.38`	`Flaska`	`BTW all lua experts and elites, can I use multidimensional arrays? Like array.key1.key2 or array["key1"]["key2"]`
`07:08.46`	`krka`	`yes`
`07:08.49`	`Flaska`	`nice nice`
`07:09.08`	`Flaska`	`I wouldnt keep learning lua if I couln't`
`07:10.41`	`Corrodias`	`oh uh`
`07:10.47`	`Flaska`	`it says nothing about this either: How can I add values to a array already created?`
`07:10.52`	`Corrodias`	`software development, C++ with borland IDE`
`07:11.04`	`Flaska`	`k nice`
`07:11.38`	`Corrodias`	`http://www.wowace.com/wiki/Coding_Tips -- check the bottom. easy multidimensional tables.`
`07:11.42`	`krka`	`myarray["newkey"] = value`
`07:11.55`	`krka`	`or myarray:insert("newkey", value)`
`07:12.00`	`Flaska`	`What if I want to use the {} ?`
`07:12.00`	`Flaska`	`=P`
`07:12.02`	`krka`	`seriously, read the manual`
`07:12.02`	`Flaska`	`k`
`07:12.05`	`Flaska`	`I am`
`07:12.11`	`Flaska`	`pil`
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`07:13.04`	`Corrodias`	`now... is bob[2] also bob["2"]? is bob[hi] also bob["hi"]?`
`07:13.22`	`Mobeater`	`Hello everyone`
`07:13.28`	`krka`	`Corrodias: no`
`07:13.44`	`krka`	`2 is a number, "2" is a string`
`07:13.50`	`krka`	`hi is variable, "hi" is a string`
`07:13.56`	`Corrodias`	`nice.`
`07:14.13`	`Mobeater`	`along those lines, question...when you're done of course`
`07:14.23`	`krka`	`bob[[[hi]]] is the same as bob["hi"] though :)`
`07:14.23`	`Corrodias`	`i'm done`
`07:14.41`	`Corrodias`	`ejaculate your query into our eyes`
`07:14.46`	`Flaska`	`haha`
`07:14.49`	`Corrodias`	`[[hi]]?`
`07:14.59`	`Flaska`	`no three [`
`07:15.03`	`krka`	`actually... i was wrong`
`07:15.06`	`Mobeater`	`I am writing my first addon, and it is SIMPLE to say the least`
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`07:15.08`	`krka`	`the parser chokes`
`07:15.10`	`Flaska`	`=P`
`07:15.14`	`krka`	`you need to write bob[ [[hi]] ]`
`07:15.14`	`Corrodias`	`good`
`07:15.33`	`Flaska`	`but then I can do bob[ [[`
`07:15.36`	`Corrodias`	`so, what, is [[]] another way to declare a string?`
`07:15.36`	`Flaska`	`multiline`
`07:15.37`	`Flaska`	`]]`
`07:15.47`	`krka`	`Corrodias: yes`
`07:15.49`	`Mobeater`	`I have written a simple addon thast will when I kill something that yields xp will increment a number and put that number in the DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME`
`07:15.51`	`Flaska`	`a multiline scring`
`07:15.55`	`krka`	`and no way to escape stuff inside it`
`07:15.58`	`Corrodias`	`my mind, it boggles`
`07:16.11`	`krka`	`also, [=[, [==[, et.c. works`
`07:16.13`	`Flaska`	`haha join the club`
`07:16.17`	`Mobeater`	`however, I would like to also print some words like you have killed then the incremental number, however I can not seem to get it to work`
`07:16.22`	`Corrodias`	`i'm trapped in a string and i cannot escape!`
`07:16.35`	`Flaska`	`sound terrible`
`07:16.36`	`Flaska`	`s`
`07:17.06`	`Corrodias`	`the name of the mob concatenated with other strings and the number you resulted in`
`07:17.09`	`Mobeater`	`how would I go about making it print the string as well as the variable?`
`07:17.33`	`Flaska`	`variable .. "string" ?`
`07:17.50`	`Mobeater`	`the .. is important then? lol, sorry, VERY new here`
`07:17.57`	`krka`	`yes, .. is string concatenation`
`07:18.05`	`krka`	`also, you might want to use string.format`
`07:18.05`	`Corrodias`	`DEFAULT_CHAT_BOX(or is it frame?):AddMessage("You have killed "..number.." "..name..".");`
`07:18.12`	`Flaska`	`frame`
`07:18.26`	`krka`	`string.format("%s %f", thestring, thenumber)`
`07:18.28`	`Corrodias`	`i never get it wrong when typing it in WoW, but somehow i just can't remember when i'm not playing`
`07:18.54`	`krka`	`DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME, i believe`
`07:19.01`	`Corrodias`	`what's best is when you screw up the line and it outputs something like "You have killed %s monsters."`
`07:19.17`	`Mobeater`	`well I would like to put it in to a simple frame I have made, but the chat window seemed the easiest, as I am still learning`
`07:20.04`	`Corrodias`	`there are two things i like these days: draenei girls, and midna from LoZ:TP`
`07:20.06`	`Flaska`	`I'm gonna make my own frame, do I have to make the graphics in a special way other than convert it to .BLP ?`
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`07:21.33`	`Flaska`	`and by the way: can I use MyAddon.array.key ?`
`07:21.51`	`Flaska`	`together with MyAddon:function()`
`07:22.00`	`Corrodias`	`i think so.`
`07:22.14`	`Corrodias`	`but you know, i'm just not super familiar with Lua`
`07:22.21`	`Corrodias`	`and now i'm going to go [away]!`
`07:22.47`	`Elkano`	`MyAddon:function() is the same as MyAddon.function(MyAddon)`
`07:22.54`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_buffalo_Buffalo_buffalo_buffalo_buffalo_Buffalo_buffalo.`
`07:22.55`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`O_o`
`07:23.48`	`Corrodias`	`WHY is it that there are so few guys who can keep it hard when they're IN the porn?`
`07:24.10`	`Corrodias`	`just leaving you with that thought`
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`07:24.49`	`Flaska`	`buffaloooo =)`
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`07:27.28`	`Corrodias`	`oh my god`
`07:27.29`	`Mr_Rabies2\|away`	`that was weird`
`07:27.37`	`Corrodias`	`Mr_Rabies, the "discussion" page for that article is much, much longer`
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`07:30.29`	`Flaska`	`hahaha`
`07:30.45`	`Flaska`	`what a total waste of time`
`07:30.51`	`Flaska`	`to discuss that thread`
`07:30.53`	`Flaska`	`lol`
`07:31.00`	`Flaska`	`imagion the total of wasted time`
`07:31.31`	`Nom-`	`OMG`
`07:31.37`	`Nom-`	`Google forcasts 44 degrees on Friday`
`07:31.44`	`Nom-`	`That's mad`
`07:32.08`	`Nom-`	`That's 111 degrees for you americans`
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`07:33.11`	`Wobin`	`where's this, Nom?`
`07:33.42`	`Nom-`	`Perth, Australia`
`07:35.06`	`Flaska`	`haha`
`07:35.35`	`krka`	`awesome wiki Mr_Rabies2\|away`
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`07:36.19`	`Flaska`	`-10 degrees celsius here (that's 14 degreed fahrenheit) , and that's hot for us`
`07:36.29`	`Flaska`	`s*`
`07:36.33`	`Flaska`	`=)`
`07:37.30`	`Elkano`	`hmm... is wowi down?`
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`07:40.33`	`Flaska`	`hehe half of the wow lua functions are totally worthless for me =)`
`07:40.43`	`Cairenn`	`Elkano: aye, problems at the data center`
`07:40.56`	`Elkano`	`k, so it's not my fault ^^`
`07:40.58`	`Wobin`	`ps`
`07:41.01`	`Cairenn`	`nope, not you`
`07:41.02`	`Wobin`	`Cairenn`
`07:41.08`	`Wobin`	`Grats on getting your name up in lights =P)`
`07:41.08`	`Phreekystylze`	`could an @OP please kick Mobeater (that is me) it will not let me reg the name`
`07:41.30`	`Cairenn`	`Wobin: thanks`
`07:41.47`	`Elkano`	`Phreekystylze, wouldn't help since they can't remove him from IRC`
`07:41.52`	`Cairenn`	`Phreekystylze: is the name already registered?`
`07:41.56`	`Phreekystylze`	`ugh`
`07:42.02`	`Phreekystylze`	`wee`
`07:42.05`	`Phreekystylze`	`there we go`
`07:42.07`	`Cairenn`	`there you go, just timed out`
`07:42.12`	`Phreekystylze`	`hehe`
`07:42.20`	`Phreekystylze`	`have not used IRC in about 5 hyears lol`
`07:42.37`	`Cairenn`	`was going to say though, if you've already got it registered, the command you need is /msg nickserv ghost [name] [pw]`
`07:42.59`	`Cairenn`	`I hear ya, took me a while to get back into the swing of it too :)`
`07:43.25`	`Mobeater`	`wow, I feel like I am in the grace of legends hehe`
`07:43.40`	`Cairenn`	`used to IRC alllllll the time, then stopped for ages, then these dear souls SUCKED ME BACK IN!`
`07:43.56`	`Mobeater`	`I was a long time user of EQGUI/Interface :p`
`07:44.08`	`Cairenn`	`:)`
`07:44.15`	`Cairenn`	`well, we're still here`
`07:44.19`	`Mobeater`	`was nice to see your name on wowi Cairenn felt like I was home again :p`
`07:44.34`	`Cairenn`	`Kudane doesn't hang out in this channel much, but dolby-wowi is here`
`07:44.59`	`Cairenn`	`thanks Mobeater :)`
`07:45.00`	`Mobeater`	`wow, Kudane and Dolby holy shamoly...Kudane the kitty :)`
`07:45.10`	`Cairenn`	`heheheheh, yup`
`07:45.12`	`Flaska`	`Cairenn, I'm just curious, exactly what did you do to get creds in wow? =)`
`07:45.19`	`Cairenn`	`still the terrible trio`
`07:45.28`	`Cairenn`	`Flaska: stuff`
`07:45.35`	`Mobeater`	`she is Cairenn, that be enough mate :p`
`07:46.08`	`Cairenn`	`Flaska: sorry, not trying to be facetious, but I'm still under NDA on it (always will be)`
`07:46.09`	`Flaska`	`haha`
`07:46.16`	`Flaska`	`NDA?`
`07:46.24`	`Cairenn`	`Non-Disclosure Agreement`
`07:46.27`	`Flaska`	`k`
`07:46.29`	`Mobeater`	`nondisclosure agreement`
`07:46.38`	`Flaska`	`So you get a phat bill if you say anything? =)`
`07:46.39`	`dolby-wowi`	`if she told you, she'd have to kill you`
`07:46.42`	`dolby-wowi`	`but i have pictures`
`07:46.45`	`dolby-wowi`	`will sell them to you`
`07:46.47`	`Cairenn`	`dolby-wowi: !`
`07:46.56`	`Mobeater`	`./cheer Dolby-wowi`
`07:47.00`	`Cairenn`	`Mobeater: as you see, some things never change ><`
`07:47.09`	`Mobeater`	`LOL< aye`
`07:47.11`	`dolby-wowi`	`again!`
`07:47.21`	`Flaska`	`A GHOST`
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`07:47.29`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`oops`
`07:47.34`	`Flaska`	`=P`
`07:47.38`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i accidentally ghosted the wrong nick`
`07:47.38`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`ha`
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`07:47.58`	`Cairenn`	`Flaska: no bill, but blow my [our] reputation that we've spent 5+ years building within the gaming industry`
`07:48.12`	`Mobeater`	`not to interrupt the chatter, but have a scripting question :)`
`07:48.15`	`Cairenn`	`the game companies like us because they know we honour NDA, etc`
`07:48.26`	`Flaska`	`k =P`
`07:48.39`	`Flaska`	`Mobeater: shoot`
`07:48.40`	`Cairenn`	`Mobeater: zomg! scripting questions in a UI channel?!?! The nerve!`
`07:48.50`	`Flaska`	`^^`
`07:49.05`	`Mobeater`	`these guys already helped me get my mod to print the correct way to the chat frame, now to get it in a custom frame I have made in the xml...totally lost here`
`07:49.22`	`Mobeater`	`I know, I break form every now and again Cairenn :p`
`07:49.34`	`Cairenn`	`they are a great crew in here Mobeater :)`
`07:49.37`	`Flaska`	`http://fara.webeddie.com/frames/`
`07:49.40`	`Mobeater`	`they are indeed!`
`07:50.00`	`Mobeater`	`I tried webeddie the other day and it was unreachable, will give it a try again :)`
`07:50.22`	`Flaska`	`I have a question too: Do I have to place the main script within a non-visible frame?`
`07:50.39`	`Cairenn`	`Mobeater: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=11381244&sid=1 post # 17 ;)`
`07:50.43`	`Mobeater`	`link worked, thanks Flaska`
`07:50.59`	`Wobin`	`Flaska: No. you keep it in the .lua file and can refrence it from the toc. You don't even need an xml file`
`07:51.07`	`Mobeater`	`I searched, what the heck were your search terms?`
`07:51.18`	`haste`	`Wobin: Let him use what he feels is correct :)`
`07:51.20`	`Cairenn`	`reminds me, Nevir has given me permission to copy the stuff over to WoWI, really need to get that done one of these days, since his site is up and down all the time`
`07:51.33`	`Cairenn`	`Mobeater: who was the question to?`
`07:51.47`	`Wobin`	`Well, it was a "Do I have to" question, to which the answer is "No" =P`
`07:52.35`	`Mobeater`	`lol, sorry, you Cairenn :)`
`07:52.45`	`Flaska`	`hey, why is it bad to use foo.bar.y = 2?`
`07:52.46`	`Cairenn`	`look at who posted the thread ;)`
`07:52.56`	`Cairenn`	`it's one of the stickies at the top of the forum :p`
`07:52.58`	`Mobeater`	`I hate to seem lazy and as if I did not attempt before asking for help`
`07:53.28`	`Cairenn`	`I just know what posts are in the thread, for obvious reasons`
`07:53.37`	`Mobeater`	`indeed`
`07:53.50`	`Cairenn`	`so knew that there were google cache links for Nevir's in it`
`07:54.57`	`Cairenn`	`Flaska: heh, sorry, seems to be the way it goes in here a lot ... channel is really quiet for a while, then there are multiple conversations all at once, easy for a question to get missed when that happens ... ask again, I'll shut up ;)`
`07:55.11`	`Flaska`	`heh =P`
`07:55.15`	`Flaska`	`Why is it bad to use foo.bar.y = 2?`
`07:56.07`	`Flaska`	`heh`
`07:56.10`	`Flaska`	`no?`
`07:56.14`	`Flaska`	`=/`
`07:57.03`	`Cairenn`	`night all, way late for this chickie to still be up`
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`08:00.52`	`Nom-`	`sigh`
`08:01.00`	`Nom-`	`gotta love it when shit happens that shouldn't happen :P`
`08:01.23`	`Nom-`	`It should be impossible for this block of code to create duplicate rows in the database`
`08:01.26`	`Nom-`	`But somehow it did`
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`08:27.11`	`Wobin`	`Flaska: It's bad because it consumes three table lookups`
`08:27.25`	`Wobin`	`But it's not necessarily 'bad'`
`08:27.30`	`Wobin`	`just inefficient`
`08:27.55`	`Wobin`	`for example, if you reference that value 5 times, that's 15 table lookups`
`08:28.06`	`Wobin`	`but if you did local frog = foo.bar.y`
`08:28.38`	`Wobin`	`then referenced frog 5 times, that'd be only doing the lookup once, then from then on using a local reference`
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`08:33.09`	`Mobeater`	`hey flaska :p`
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`08:33.55`	`Mobeater`	`flaska, you still there?`
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`08:56.53`	`Flaska`	`hey`
`08:56.54`	`Flaska`	`sorry`
`08:57.01`	`Flaska`	`watched some godzilla with my brother =)`
`08:58.04`	`Flaska`	`ok, so assignment should be done with array = { key = { etc } }`
`08:59.13`	`Tem`	`if you want to create a new one, yes`
`08:59.40`	`Tem`	`note that { key = value} is equivilant to { ["key"] = value}`
`09:00.06`	`Flaska`	`yeah I know =)`
`09:00.14`	`Tem`	`also note that { key = value} is not the same as { [key] = value }`
`09:00.49`	`Flaska`	`If I make some graphics in let's say photoshop`
`09:01.10`	`Flaska`	`do I need to edit them in some special way before adding them to my frames?`
`09:01.15`	`Flaska`	`other than BLP them`
`09:16.59`	`seebs`	`Woot!`
`09:17.08`	`seebs`	`I think I have both item and monster-kill tracking working.`
`09:17.20`	`seebs`	`Now I just need to figure out how to get the component lists for enchants and suchlike.`
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`09:38.51`	`Flaska`	`is lua case sensitive? Is there a difference between DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME and default_chat_frame?`
`09:41.22`	`Industrial`	`yes`
`09:41.45`	`Industrial`	`try it? a='foo' A='bar' print(a)`
`09:42.08`	`Industrial`	`get lua for your OS :)`
`09:42.16`	`Flaska`	`nah =P`
`09:42.27`	`Flaska`	`I will only use it to make a guide addon for my guild`
`09:42.36`	`Flaska`	`(lua)`
`09:42.58`	`Industrial`	`that gives mee much hope and motivation to help.`
`09:43.15`	`Flaska`	`eh =P what ? =D`
`09:45.04`	`Flaska`	`do I have to create a frame to use the OnLoad? =P Because FaraFrames does that`
`09:48.56`	`Industrial`	`dont learn by asking, teach a man to fish, etcetc.`
`09:49.16`	`Industrial`	`guess its more 'teach a man to teach himself how to fish'`
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`09:50.50`	`JoerT`	`Hello there. I have a quick question. I'm tryng to download the Blizzar UI customisation tool from [http://www.blizzard.com/support/wow/?id=aww01669p], but the windows version of the thing seems corrupt. anyone know where to get a working version?`
`09:56.16`	`Flaska`	`What's the best prog for VIEWING blps?`
`09:58.41`	`Industrial`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.BLP`
`09:59.14`	`Flaska`	`seen that page`
`09:59.17`	`Flaska`	`nothing useful`
`10:11.51`	`Flaska`	`Found the best one out there =)`
`10:12.17`	`Flaska`	`hey, can I use Interface\Common\Common-Input-Border ?`
`10:12.27`	`Flaska`	`or how do I use the one I like`
`10:12.30`	`Flaska`	`nevermind`
`10:14.04`	`Mobeater`	`grrr`
`10:14.43`	`Flaska`	`Sometimes it seems like blizzard doesen't want people to develop addons =D`
`10:15.09`	`Mobeater`	`I have a variable that gets updated when I kill something, and I can get it to send the number to the DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME, and I have been trying for like 3 hours to get it to go to my MyAddonFrame, any hints?`
`10:15.43`	`Flaska`	`no idea`
`10:15.49`	`Flaska`	`steal code from other addons`
`10:15.51`	`Flaska`	`=)`
`10:16.02`	`Mobeater`	`been looking for one that does that, to no avail :/`
`10:17.01`	`Flaska`	`eh`
`10:17.08`	`Flaska`	`nearly every addon does that =)`
`10:18.41`	`Mobeater`	`most just have config windows, but do not update as things happen in game....or I am just drawing a blank right now`
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`10:34.18`	`Mobeater`	`oh well, will work on it tomorrow, night guys`
`10:52.07`	`Flaska`	`night?`
`10:52.13`	`Flaska`	`it's 12:00 AM`
`10:53.58`	`seebs`	`Well, hey.`
`10:54.01`	`seebs`	`I finished my mod!`
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`11:05.10`	`Flaska`	`What mod?`
`11:05.15`	`Flaska`	`What does it do?`
`11:06.45`	`seebs`	`It is called ToDo.`
`11:06.54`	`seebs`	`It replaces the QuestWatch window with a smarter quest watcher.`
`11:07.17`	`seebs`	`It preserves the "watched" flag between sessions, for one thing, so you can use it to flag "what I plan to do when I next log in".`
`11:07.32`	`seebs`	`It also allows watching quests which have no objectives to track, and making up your own.`
`11:08.08`	`seebs`	`So, for instance, I can create a fake quest called "Supplies" which has as objectives "20 Arcane Powder", "10 Runes of Teleportation" and "5 Major Mana Potions".`
`11:08.15`	`seebs`	`Then it gets watched like any other.`
`11:08.39`	`seebs`	`It's still a little rough in spots, but it's officially "out" in beta form now.`
`11:09.23`	`seebs`	`I could probably make it a lot more efficient, but I'm mostly still at the "why does the other quest watch frame show up again" stage.`
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`11:13.34`	`Tauop`	`hi`
`11:19.50`	`Flaska`	`then I could make a quest called "Ready for Raid" where I need 10 mana potions, my Mana Stream trinket equipped, and all my healing gear on/in backpack =)`
`11:20.25`	`Industrial`	`What do you think of this unitframe layout? On the right tot, target, player, pet. On the left focus target and focus. http://tinyurl.com/2knudo`
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`11:21.24`	`Flaska`	`How exactly does "focus" work?`
`11:21.59`	`seebs`	`Flaska: Currently, my mod ignores "equipped", and I don't think it knows about equipment in general, just bag inventory. But the theory is right, yes.`
`11:22.15`	`mitch0`	`hi`
`11:22.22`	`Industrial`	`you focus a unit and you get a unitframe for it and you can target it and shit`
`11:23.05`	`mitch0`	`does anyone know if I could stop spell targeting (like blizzard, or Freeze) from a macro?`
`11:24.10`	`mitch0`	`I don't mean stop it as in /stopcasting, but stop as in actually cast the spell at the position where my mouse happens to be (just as if I left-clicked)`
`11:26.32`	`Industrial`	`dont think so`
`11:26.42`	`mitch0`	`hrmp`
`11:27.24`	`mitch0`	`how does one go about asking for a new macro command from the devs? :)`
`11:28.37`	`Wobin`	`write a note on the forum with a note to slouken?`
`11:28.51`	`Flaska`	`mitch0 what do you mean?`
`11:29.36`	`mitch0`	`Flaska: I need a new /finishtargeting or somesuch macro command that would act like a "left-click" when I'm targeting a spell (like granades, blizzard, freeze, etc)`
`11:31.03`	`mitch0`	`unfortunately even the API is kinda strange in this regard, there is only this "mega" function CameraOrSelectOrMoveStart() that does all the magic...`
`11:32.17`	`mitch0`	`what I'd really like is a separate macro command to do just the "Select/FinishTargeting" part of that mega function`
`11:32.41`	`mitch0`	`for example /click without action number could do this, or whatever, name isn't important`
`11:33.54`	`mitch0`	`I'll write a post on the EU UI forums about it after lunch. Could someone repost that to the US forums for the devs to see?`
`11:35.19`	`Flaska`	`what do you mean with finish targeting?`
`11:35.30`	`mitch0`	`to start actual casting`
`11:35.55`	`mitch0`	`you know, like /cast Blizzard would "start casting" -> give you the targeting circle`
`11:36.13`	`mitch0`	`you need to left-click to start the actuall channelling on the targeted area`
`11:36.27`	`mitch0`	`I need a macro command for the second part of the "casting"`
`11:36.44`	`mitch0`	`sorry, I gotta go now, I'll be back in an hour ... :(`
`11:38.57`	`norgs\|away`	`sounds like he wants to write a bot...`
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`11:40.43`	`norganna`	`as far as i'm aware, there is no substitute for the actual mouse-click when the targetting reticule is up, mitch0.`
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`11:52.42`	`JoerT`	`there is (or was) some function that clicked in the world`
`11:53.03`	`JoerT`	`but I don't know if you're still able to use that`
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`12:32.08`	`Flaska`	`My irc says that anybody can change the topic of this channel`
`12:32.11`	`Flaska`	`is that true?`
`12:32.11`	`Flaska`	`lol`
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`12:44.30`	`Flaska`	`how do I make a frame movable?`
`12:44.37`	`Flaska`	`any lock="true" or so?`
`12:48.27`	`mitch0`	`re`
`12:48.43`	`mitch0`	`norgs: no, I don't want to write a bot...`
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`14:35.37`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`since something like this was under discussion the other day, folks may be interested to know: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info6820-GemList.html`
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`14:46.47`	`Bouvi`	`Neat. Added to my favorites`
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`15:08.06`	`Bouvi`	`crickets chirp`
`15:08.44`	`mitch0`	`:)`
`15:08.55`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`dogs bark`
`15:09.47`	`krka`	`lions roar!`
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`15:23.19`	`Flaska`	`see you later for good`
`15:23.38`	`Industrial`	`anyone know of an outgame tabard designer`
`15:23.41`	`Industrial`	`not the ign one it sucks`
`15:23.45`	`Industrial`	`cant find the one on curse`
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`15:28.38`	`Legorolo`	`morning`
`15:28.57`	`Legorolo`	`Does anyone know in which patch exactly did they add meeting stones to raid instances such as Onyxia's Lair/`
`15:30.10`	`Bouvi`	`Not sure when. Long time ago.`
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`15:38.44`	`sysrage`	`ony doesn't have a meeting stone`
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`16:56.48`	`Legorolo`	`Ony does have a meeting stone now. Used it a couple of days ago to summon people for an Ony raid.`
`16:57.19`	`Legorolo`	`I was just wondering which patch is it that they put it in. I'm fairly certain 2.0.0 didn't have it, but I could be wrong on that. 1.12 definitely didn't have it.`
`16:57.46`	`Scre3m`	`there's one at ZG, too`
`16:58.01`	`Scre3m`	`it was the last patch before the expansion was released`
`16:59.09`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`when they changed how the stones work`
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`17:08.56`	`Legorolo`	`Mr_Rabies2: they changed how stones work in 2.0.1`
`17:09.06`	`Legorolo`	`i'm fairly certain that didn't have the stones at raids yet`
`17:09.11`	`Legorolo`	`(could be wrong on that)`
`17:09.33`	`Legorolo`	`so i'm wondering if it's 2.0.3 that brought it`
`17:09.36`	`Legorolo`	`or later`
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`17:31.12`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`that wasn't a question :p`
`17:31.39`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`that was a supplement to Scre3m's info`
`17:34.18`	`Legorolo`	`quick question about item links:`
`17:34.31`	`Legorolo`	`does a fully qualified item link include info. about the creator of an item?`
`17:34.56`	`Legorolo`	`i can't remember off-hand if I click on an item linked in chat, i would get the <Made by X> in the tooltip`
`17:35.05`	`Legorolo`	`and whether that info is included in the item link`
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`17:57.06`	`foxlit`	`You wouldn't`
`17:57.13`	`foxlit`	`Dunno if it's included.`
`17:58.48`	`Kaso`	`the maker is part of the UniqueID of the itemlink, the last field, but i dont know how it works persay, and the uniqueID is used for other thins`
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`18:14.26`	`JoshBorke`	`bah, why can there not be a DPS priest set with spirit?`
`18:16.46`	`foxlit`	`Because priests are not for sustained dps? :)`
`18:17.01`	`JoshBorke`	`turns out the T4/T5 has spirit`
`18:20.29`	`sancus`	`foxlit: stop lying!`
`18:20.44`	`sancus`	`best caster dps in the game and not for sustained dps are incompatible!`
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`18:53.42`	`wereHamster\|away`	`wow.. my computer uses only ~600MB RAM when I start WoW and enter the world`
`18:54.07`	`kergoth`	`impressive, i'd expect windows to have used that much by itself on boot :P`
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`19:00.15`	`wereHamster\|away`	`when idle I'm at 200MB`
`19:00.45`	`zenzelezz`	`WoW isn't that bad with memory`
`19:00.57`	`zenzelezz`	`I think it usually ends up taking 4-500MB for me`
`19:01.39`	`amro`	`on max settings it used up around 300megs for me`
`19:01.53`	`wereHamster\|away`	`so my 2GB are oversized.. :(`
`19:01.58`	`wereHamster\|away`	`2GB RAM`
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`19:04.51`	`zenzelezz`	`I wouldn't say that hamster; try opening a few other "big" programs along with WoW and the memory will be quite handy`
`19:08.01`	`haste`	`I'm doing fine with 1GB :)`
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`19:14.14`	`tyroney\|work`	`Ok, I'm trying to find tools or advice for debugging secure buttons and state headers. I have a header and a two state button that changes state and fires on up and down, which fails silently if any modifier key is held when its supposed to do its business.`
`19:21.25`	`kergoth`	`whats a good site for rogue theorycrafting info?`
`19:22.39`	`Elkano`	`17 23 42 0815`
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`19:26.58`	`haste`	`kergoth: http://forums.elitistjerks.com/viewforum.php?id=46`
`19:27.31`	`haste`	`you might want to take a look at the spreadhseet`
`19:29.21`	`kergoth`	`thanks`
`19:29.36`	`kergoth`	`so helpful :)`
`19:30.15`	`kergoth`	`anyone know of an addon thatll show indirect stat changes in item tooltips? like the AP you'll gain from the str given you're current class and the like?`
`19:30.25`	`WTierrie\|ork`	`RatingsBuster`
`19:30.30`	`kergoth`	`no.`
`19:30.35`	`kergoth`	`ratingsbuster only converts ratings to %`
`19:30.38`	`kergoth`	`thats not what i'm talking about`
`19:30.53`	`kergoth`	`agi -> dodge, crit, ap (for rogue), ..`
`19:31.04`	`haste`	`You could always write one, and not do it the ratingbuster way`
`19:31.19`	`kergoth`	`i noticed tek did a ratings to % conversion addon in his svn`
`19:31.23`	`kergoth`	`yea, was thinking about it`
`19:31.33`	`kergoth`	`just need to swipe the current formulas off of wowwiki`
`19:31.55`	`kergoth`	`haste: nice job on atropine :) looks slick, nice seeing devs actually releasing things isntead of sticking to svn only`
`19:32.04`	`Kaso`	`the hardest thing about doing a raiting conversion addon is catching the multitude of ways blizzard write bonuses`
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`19:32.29`	`haste`	`kergoth: the Ace svn kinda forced me too do it that way, people expected trunk to be stable - which means I do extensive testing before very commit`
`19:33.01`	`haste`	`loosing the control of releases was the reason I lef the SVN, how the community reposnded is the reason I left the forums`
`19:34.21`	`kergoth`	`yeah, i really, really dislike the use of svn as a distribution mechanism`
`19:35.17`	`kergoth`	`i just tell them to fuck off if they whinea bout trunk being broken`
`19:35.23`	`kergoth`	`but i'm not a nice guy`
`19:35.59`	`haste`	`I tried to adapt, not that it worked at all :(`
`19:36.10`	`haste`	`it just backfired hard`
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`19:38.47`	`kergoth`	`i'm always going to be used to using trunk for active development, it just makes more sense to me to branch off stable/bugfix than to branch off development, at least in svn`
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`19:43.52`	`haste`	`I agree`
`19:44.41`	`haste`	`That's what I'm doing now, branching of the major versions, and keep the branch bug fixed, while adding features to trunk and bug fixing`
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`20:15.58`	`Industrial`	`< kergoth> but i'm not a nice guy`
`20:16.00`	`Industrial`	`qft`
`20:16.03`	`Industrial`	`also, amen.`
`20:17.28`	`haste`	`Industrial, what level are you now :D ?`
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`20:22.18`	`Industrial`	`haste: 22 lol i LOVE that forum`
`20:22.22`	`Industrial`	`well, the quotes one`
`20:22.30`	`Industrial`	`NSFW http://forums.elitistjerks.com/viewtopic.php?id=1224`
`20:22.35`	`Industrial`	`well, the text anyhoo`
`20:23.00`	`haste`	`:D`
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`20:33.13`	`[DI]manix`	`hello, can someone point to some tutorial or something to see how to make combobox and stringlist?`
`20:33.44`	`[DI]manix`	`hmm stringlist i mean scrollbox with strings`
`20:33.55`	`[DI]manix`	`and scrollbox with other controls in it`
`20:35.04`	`Kaso`	`Im not sure theres any tutorials about that, we're distictively lacking on tutorials on UI devloping, try looking at some other's code and using the wiki, thats all i can advise`
`20:35.19`	`[DI]manix`	`:)`
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`20:37.01`	`[DI]manix`	`i see some stuff on the wiki there is ScrollFrame object and and some howto for FauxScrollFrameTemplate? should i use this FauxScrollFrameTemplate`
`20:38.33`	`[DI]manix`	`i want to make one scrollframe with lines like - checkbox label`
`20:38.57`	`[DI]manix`	`and one with only labels but for this one i want to be able to select the labels`
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`20:48.02`	`Industrial`	`Mikma: good sing/mix --^`
`20:48.06`	`Industrial`	`song, even`
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`21:35.04`	`wereHamster\|away`	`zenzelezz, having open eclipse (java always uses a lot memory), firefox, thunderbird, a few terminals and I'm still only at 800MB. And I can't think of any other 'big' application on my computer`
`21:36.39`	`krka`	`try photoshop too`
`21:37.26`	`wereHamster`	`I can try gimp.. but not photoshop`
`21:38.30`	`krka`	`ooh... and try azureus :=`
`21:38.41`	`zenzelezz`	`hamster: I'm not saying you'll necessarily fill it, but it can help`
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`21:42.01`	`wereHamster`	`I'm using transmission instead of azureus.. because azureus is java and therefore uses too much memory :P`
`21:42.10`	`haste`	`rtorrent!`
`21:42.18`	`haste`	`+ some Lua + crons = <3`
`21:42.24`	`krka`	`transmission?`
`21:42.33`	`haste`	`Rufus is also a nice client`
`21:42.53`	`haste`	`but nothing beats rtorrent :3`
`21:43.05`	`seebs`	`Hey, can anyone suggest an easy way to not only hide the Quest Watch window, but make it STAY HIDDEN?`
`21:43.18`	`wereHamster`	`is rtorrent cmd-line?`
`21:43.40`	`haste`	`yes, it's CLI, but it's awesome even so`
`21:43.43`	`wereHamster`	`I'm now at 950MB, and I've run out of video memory...`
`21:43.45`	`MentalPower\|HW`	`seebs: WhateverTheNameOfTheQuestWatchFrame.Show = WhateverTheNameOfTheQuestWatchFrame.Hide`
`21:43.53`	`seebs`	`Yeep.`
`21:44.01`	`seebs`	`Well, that might work, but it's sort of, uhm, permanent.`
`21:44.17`	`seebs`	`But I see your point; maybe I can come up with a way to do that.`
`21:44.21`	`MentalPower\|HW`	`thats what I gathered from your "STAY HIDDEN"`
`21:44.24`	`krka`	`i like torrentflux too`
`21:44.36`	`seebs`	`Well, I want the ability to undo it. I just don't want it to reactivate every time the user watches a quest.`
`21:44.39`	`krka`	`well, more the idea behind it, but the actual product is good too`
`21:44.41`	`seebs`	`I'm trying to REPLACE it.`
`21:45.07`	`MentalPower\|HW`	`you could hook the .Show function and conditionally let it execute or not`
`21:45.59`	`wereHamster`	`I once used ctorrent, but since I changed transmission to be more compact (use less space) I use that`
`21:46.39`	`seebs`	`Yeah.`
`21:47.06`	`seebs`	`I think I may have to. Eww! I would be much happier if it just took the "Hide" instruction as guidance to stay hidden until requested.`
`21:47.13`	`krka`	`i want a torrent daemon, with a standardized interface so you can have many different frontends`
`21:47.18`	`krka`	`or just a web frontend`
`21:47.48`	`seebs`	`Hmm.`
`21:47.54`	`wereHamster`	`there is a deamon that has 'plugins' for different P2P networks..`
`21:47.57`	`seebs`	`Does that even work when it's ":Show", not ".Show"?`
`21:48.09`	`wereHamster`	`don't remember the name though`
`21:48.57`	`seebs`	`Ahh, it's just syntactic sugar, all is well.`
`21:49.02`	`MentalPower\|HW`	`seebs: X:Y(Z) == X.Y(X,Z)`
`21:49.15`	`MentalPower\|HW`	`aye`
`21:50.13`	`seebs`	`I went and read the manual. :)`
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`21:50.24`	`MentalPower\|HW`	`PiL is good too`
`21:50.55`	`krka`	`i even bought it`
`21:51.02`	`MentalPower\|HW`	`me too`
`21:51.11`	`MentalPower\|HW`	`I have a hardcopy of both`
`21:51.45`	`krka`	`ooh... i only have a softback of 5.1`
`21:51.56`	`krka`	`you sir, have a giant epeen compared to mine :(`
`21:52.53`	`MentalPower\|HW`	`err... hardcopy as in physical book, not as in hardback book`
`21:53.39`	`krka`	`ah`
`21:53.44`	`krka`	`then perhaps our 5.1 copies are the same`
`21:53.53`	`MentalPower\|HW`	`aye probably`
`21:53.58`	`MentalPower\|HW`	`blue right?`
`21:54.17`	`krka`	`yes`
`21:54.31`	`krka`	`you bought 5.0 book before 5.1 was released, i take it?`
`21:57.03`	`MentalPower\|HW`	`no`
`21:57.12`	`MentalPower\|HW`	`both my books are blue`
`21:57.16`	`MentalPower\|HW`	`PiL and the Manual`
`21:58.14`	`krka`	`ah, i see`
`21:58.16`	`seebs`	`Hmm. I can't seem to recover it.`
`21:58.16`	`krka`	`i only have PiL`
`21:58.40`	`MentalPower\|HW`	`seebs: recover it?`
`22:03.47`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`This is the most entertaining HammerFall video yet: http://youtube.com/watch?v=sDTmKNl3e6Q`
`22:03.59`	`seebs`	`Well, I save QuestWatchFrame.Show, and then I overwrite it. When I try to restore it, though, it doesn't start working.`
`22:06.11`	`seebs`	`Oh, wait. It works now.`
`22:06.22`	`seebs`	`I think I forgot "make install"`
`22:10.27`	`bleetah`	`if I had a dollar for every time I've typed "make dist-clean;sh autogen.sh && make && make install" .... :/`
`22:11.22`	`kergoth`	`be glad the steps are that consistent`
`22:11.28`	`kergoth`	`the alternatives are worse`
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`22:18.40`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`Anyone else have a sudden desire to say "wakka wakka wakka woo woo"?`
`22:19.43`	`zenzelezz`	`not really`
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`22:21.10`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`ok just me then`
`22:21.12`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`how odd`
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`22:43.55`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`"They call me "hadouken" because I'm down-right Fierce"`
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`22:50.57`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Darn, missed Dogmax`
`22:55.09`	`Osagasu`	`z = ++x + y-- ... God I hate C++`
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`22:57.13`	`Cide`	`I wouldn't necessarily blame that on the language, though one can argue whether ++/-- add anything or just results in unnecessary complexity...`
`22:58.00`	`zenzelezz`	`most people, even Stroustrup, advice not to use code like that`
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`22:59.01`	`Osagasu`	`Well I don't have a choice in this case, it's a required piece of my homework.`
`22:59.07`	`zenzelezz`	`O_o`
`22:59.45`	`Osagasu`	`One of those "I don't want you to use this normally, but I want you to know about it in case you're debugging someone's code who uses it" kinda things.`
`23:02.24`	`Karrion`	`that's not so bad... x is incremented by one, y is decremented by one, then z is assigned the new value of x plus the old value of y`
`23:02.49`	`Cairenn`	`oh, hey, Osagasu ... you weren't in this morning when I pointed it out to the channel ... http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info6820-GemList.html`
`23:02.54`	`Karrion`	`just have to remember where the implied brackets are...`
`23:03.01`	`Osagasu`	`lmao`
`23:03.39`	`Cairenn`	`okay, what did I just miss? why is that funny?`
`23:05.11`	`Osagasu`	`Nuffin.`
`23:05.47`	`Cairenn`	`okay`
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`23:31.35`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`Hey question about Gems`
`23:31.47`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`If you have a Unique Gem, can you socket an item with it, then pick up another, and then socket it again`
`23:32.02`	`Adys`	`I doubt it`
`23:32.11`	`Adys`	`but technically/logically it would make sense`
`23:32.44`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`ok so maybe technically the question should be "will unique socketed gems count as unique"`
`23:36.39`	`zenzelezz`	`it's a very good question`
`23:37.02`	`zenzelezz`	`I would think, and certainly hope, that once you socket them you can buy more... but not equip them on the same item that already has one`
`23:39.44`	`Karrion`	`well unique usually applies to inventory/packs/bank, one you socket the gem it's no longer in your packs/bank, so you can probably get another one`
`23:40.47`	`zenzelezz`	`like with Librams`
`23:41.58`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`Karrion that depends entirely on implementation, who is to say that items in sockets do not count as "on character" because metagems sometimes required X Yellow/Blue/Red gems and the socketed gems count`
`23:42.46`	`Karrion`	`hmm true`
`23:43.10`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`I think more investigation is in order, which means we should give that wowwiki dude a call`
`23:43.13`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`Someone phone him`
`23:43.14`	`zenzelezz`	`all I'm saying is speculation, since I've had no experience with unique gems yet`
`23:43.19`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`ditto`
`23:43.33`	`Cide`	`I would guess unique means you can only socket that once`
`23:43.50`	`Cide`	`i.e. it checks what you have already socketed when it determines the 'unique status'`
`23:44.12`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`ok then, can you socket item A with a unique gem, then socket item B with the same Unique gem?`
`23:44.15`	`zenzelezz`	`are we talking Unique or Unique-Equipped?`
`23:44.30`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`i think they are Unique only`
`23:44.50`	`zenzelezz`	`since what Cide says sounds more like Unique-Equipped`
`23:44.55`	`Cide`	`no`
`23:44.55`	`Karrion`	`wowhead doesn't find any unique-equipped gems`
`23:45.08`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`wowhead's gem is a bit out of date, thottbot seems more recent`
`23:45.15`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`oh nvm, thottbot seems like beta stuff`
`23:45.17`	`Cide`	`Unique-Equipped means that you can have as many as you want in your inventory, but not equipped`
`23:45.36`	`Cide`	`basically it is a loosened version of Unique to allow crafters to create several`
`23:45.40`	`zenzelezz`	`that's how I interpreted what you said; but I guess I got you wrong`
`23:46.03`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`BTW what category is Gems in, in Wowhead`
`23:46.12`	`Cide`	`but really, it's vague enough thta it can be either way`
`23:46.16`	`Cide`	`s/thta/that/`
`23:46.17`	`Karrion`	`someone who's ingame pop over to hellfire penn and grab a [Stark Blood Garnet] and try it..`
`23:46.21`	`Karrion`	`they're in trade goods`
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`23:48.32`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`I don't see them in http://www.wowhead.com/?items=7.0#0zzc`
`23:49.33`	`Karrion`	`http://www.wowhead.com/?items=7&filter=cr=81,15;crs=5,1;crv=0,0`
`23:49.49`	`Karrion`	`(that's unique gems, but you get the idea)`
`23:49.59`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`nice`
`23:50.10`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`they need to add that filter as a quicklink`
`23:51.19`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`how irksome that some of these rubies can only be obtained via pvp`
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`23:53.33`	`zenzelezz`	`do the PvP ones BoP?`
`23:54.49`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`yes`
`23:55.28`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`how equally irksome that enchanting rings are only for enchanters`
`23:55.35`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`I have a good mind to take up enchanting and then drop it`
`23:56.29`	`kaso\|`	`Tierrie\|Work they wanted each proffession to have something "unique"`
`23:56.55`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`I suppose so, on the bright side, you can't take up alchemy and make the alchemist stone and then drop alchemy`
`23:57.02`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`since there's a use requirement`
`23:58.36`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`on the other hand, the weaponsmithing recipes seem so much more special`
`23:59.29`	`Corrodias`	`those crafting professions just add so much complication to the game`
`23:59.43`	`Corrodias`	`i found my enjoyment of my druid increased significantly when i dropped leatherworking for herbalism`
`23:59.51`	`Corrodias`	`no more recipes for me!`

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