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| 00:08.58 | cladhaire | on Temporus |
| 00:09.06 | Shadowed | Temporus is fun |
| 00:09.07 | cladhaire | can you purge/dispel his buff without detect magic? |
| 00:09.10 | cladhaire | i know that's a dumb question |
| 00:09.13 | cladhaire | but these people are idiots. |
| 00:09.13 | Shadowed | oh wait which one is Temporus |
| 00:09.17 | Shadowed | #6 boss in BM? |
| 00:09.22 | cladhaire | #12 |
| 00:09.23 | Shadowed | or was that #12 |
| 00:09.36 | Shadowed | Detect magic only lets you see the buff, it doesn't change wether you can remove it or not |
| 00:11.15 | cladhaire | thats what i thought |
| 00:11.21 | cladhaire | but my priest only raided through BWL |
| 00:11.29 | cladhaire | and doint know how purge works =) |
| 00:13.26 | Shadowed | purge works just like dispel magic except it's offensive only |
| 00:14.00 | cladhaire | ah good to know =) |
| 00:14.28 | JoshBorke | your priest R n00b |
| 00:14.55 | cladhaire | and our shaman |
| 00:14.57 | cladhaire | i mean he's tough |
| 00:14.58 | cladhaire | but still |
| 00:15.31 | cladhaire | damn |
| 00:16.15 | Shadowed | ignore the adds on 12th portal, use one chrono trinket when the boss dies to finish the adds up, use all 4 chrono trinkets on the 18th boss after time stop |
| 00:16.20 | Shadowed | as long as you get the 12th boss down the 18th is easy |
| 00:16.24 | Shadowed | assuming your tank can pick him up |
| 00:17.35 | Karrion | yeah did BM last night, 12th boss is the hard one |
| 00:18.13 | Karrion | he and I (tank) died at the same time shortly after the 10th debuff cam up :-/ |
| 00:18.30 | Shadowed | you're suppose to switch |
| 00:18.53 | Shadowed | usually what I do is have the Rogues click off salv at 90% and go all out, once I hit 3-4 debuffs I stop attacking, they get aggro and tank with evasion then vanish when mine resets |
| 00:19.30 | Karrion | yeah, got it done though ;-) |
| 00:22.53 | Bejitt | i hear running around one of the trees gives you time for the debuff to wear off |
| 00:23.08 | Shadowed | tank switches are easy to pull off honestly, worst case you use SW |
| 00:23.20 | Bejitt | yea |
| 00:24.25 | Karrion | yeah it was the first time I'd tried it, fun little instance |
| 00:24.50 | Shadowed | I still want to do it on heroic |
| 00:25.15 | Bejitt | apparantly Aeonus doesn't hit hard.. we wiped on him w/ Midevh at 100%; we ran back in and Midevh was only at 70% o_O |
| 00:25.19 | Shadowed | weird |
| 00:25.29 | Shadowed | how do you wipe to Aeonus! |
| 00:25.34 | Bejitt | haha |
| 00:25.38 | Bejitt | shadow priest |
| 00:25.41 | Shadowed | ahhhh |
| 00:25.46 | Bejitt | kinda pulled b/c of stuns |
| 00:25.57 | Bejitt | breath all over the place mmm |
| 00:25.58 | Shadowed | cladhaire: Is there something special you need to do to use TriggerMessage in Dongle? |
| 00:26.05 | Bejitt | that and we didnt know anything about him |
| 00:26.53 | Shadowed | still haven't grouped with a shadow priest, but doing BM with 2 rogues, feral druid, paladin was fun |
| 00:28.40 | cladhaire | Shadowed: Hrm? |
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| 00:30.31 | Bejitt | healer was at 100% mana the entire way for that too |
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| 00:30.45 | Bejitt | yeah me too |
| 00:30.46 | Bejitt | shh ;x |
| 00:30.49 | Shadowed | oh wait i see |
| 00:30.50 | Bejitt | we still wiped |
| 00:30.52 | Shadowed | cladhaire: nevermind |
| 00:33.41 | cladhaire | you figure it out? |
| 00:33.53 | cladhaire | the only way we ever beat temporus is to just beat him down and let the tank die =) |
| 00:33.56 | cladhaire | me always being the tank |
| 00:34.00 | Shadowed | haha |
| 00:34.06 | Shadowed | Yeah I realised i need to make a wrapper around the OnUpdate to pass self |
| 00:34.08 | cladhaire | at like 15% |
| 00:34.56 | WobWork | hey Clad! =) |
| 00:35.03 | cladhaire | hey WobWork |
| 00:35.09 | Shadowed | of course, that wrapper could also sdecide not to work |
| 00:35.24 | WobWork | Mr Haire, What can you tell me about secure pie? |
| 00:35.54 | cladhaire | nothing actually |
| 00:37.41 | Shadowed | function() self.OnUpdate( self ); end; self isn't nil, when it gets to NPLibrary:OnUpdate( self ) it is |
| 00:38.31 | cladhaire | OnUpdate gets the frame as its first arg |
| 00:38.40 | WobWork | alas, I'm hearing bits and pieces about this secure pie |
| 00:38.47 | WobWork | And noone can tell me anything about it |
| 00:38.55 | WobWork | for example. Is it pumpkin? |
| 00:38.59 | WobWork | =P |
| 00:39.09 | cladhaire | apple imno |
| 00:39.11 | cladhaire | crunchy crust |
| 00:39.16 | cladhaire | tanmking brb |
| 00:42.16 | Shadowed | cladhaire: http://wowi.pastey.net/6934 i'm pretty sure in that case self is suppose to be passed |
| 00:42.41 | cladhaire | no |
| 00:42.49 | cladhaire | because self is a local variable to the closure |
| 00:42.58 | cladhaire | passed by the handler |
| 00:43.33 | Shadowed | Is there a way around it so you can get self then, or you just have to use the actual variable name? |
| 00:43.47 | WobWork | self.OnUpdate(NPLibrary) ? |
| 00:44.16 | cladhaire | i'm speculating |
| 00:44.20 | cladhaire | i'm tanking atm, so i'm thjinking as well |
| 00:44.45 | cladhaire | no |
| 00:44.47 | cladhaire | it has to be right |
| 00:44.52 | cladhaire | if your onupdate is every gettign called |
| 00:45.02 | cladhaire | but |
| 00:45.06 | cladhaire | :OnUpdate(self_) makes no sense |
| 00:45.09 | cladhaire | what are you doing that for? |
| 00:45.36 | cladhaire | . and self |
| 00:45.37 | cladhaire | not : and self |
| 00:45.38 | cladhaire | =) |
| 00:48.16 | Shadowed | cladhaire: go tank, i wont live =p |
| 00:48.24 | Shadowed | er I wont die |
| 00:49.05 | cladhaire | okay i'm back |
| 00:49.13 | cladhaire | you define onupdate like a monkey smoking penis. |
| 00:49.19 | cladhaire | you should not do that |
| 00:50.08 | WobWork | ... |
| 00:50.13 | WobWork | Is this a common occurance? |
| 00:50.19 | WobWork | the whole smoking penis thing |
| 00:50.26 | WobWork | Or is it a rare thing |
| 00:50.45 | cladhaire | well |
| 00:50.51 | cladhaire | monkeys do strange things, what can i say! |
| 00:51.19 | Shadowed | the only reason it has a wrapper for the OnUpdate was trying to find out if I could pass the self to it somehow |
| 00:51.28 | cladhaire | no |
| 00:51.30 | cladhaire | you do this |
| 00:51.35 | cladhaire | function Blah:OnUpdate(self) |
| 00:51.39 | cladhaire | you refined self |
| 00:51.40 | cladhaire | you can't do that |
| 00:52.04 | cladhaire | : implies self as the first argument |
| 00:52.18 | cladhaire | you tell it its the second argument, which you don't pass |
| 00:52.26 | Shadowed | ahhhh |
| 00:52.35 | cladhaire | and either way, the better way to do it is to just local self = MyAddon as the first line of your OnUpdate |
| 00:52.39 | cladhaire | saves needing to create a colsure. |
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| 00:53.21 | Shadowed | Isn't it pointless to define local self = MyAddOn if you just need to pass it to 3 other functions ? |
| 00:53.46 | cladhaire | i mean in the OnUpdate itself. |
| 00:53.50 | cladhaire | its not pointless at all |
| 00:54.02 | cladhaire | you're the one who is using self in a non-method call :P |
| 00:54.09 | WobWork | If you use 'self' outside of a function passing, it's useful |
| 00:54.19 | Mike-N-Go | I have about 145 addons, take a moment to load the starting screen... lol! |
| 00:54.33 | Shadowed | for that OnUpdate, i'm only using self for function passing, nothing else |
| 00:54.42 | cladhaire | well |
| 00:54.45 | cladhaire | either you pass it as a function |
| 00:54.45 | WobWork | I'm always impressed at the expansion the addon community has taken |
| 00:54.47 | cladhaire | or bind it locally |
| 00:55.05 | Shadowed | I see |
| 00:55.40 | Shadowed | Wasn't sure if it was considered "hackish" if you access MyAddOn inside the addon itself like that |
| 00:55.57 | cladhaire | well, when you hvae something liek an OnUpdate |
| 00:56.11 | cladhaire | its no less hackish to do that, then it is to make a closure that actually kills arguments =) |
| 00:56.20 | cladhaire | you toss away three arguments your way :P |
| 00:57.04 | Shadowed | alright :p |
| 00:58.05 | Shadowed | there we go, works perfect now thanks |
| 00:58.15 | cladhaire | np |
| 01:19.01 | Shane_ | clad thanks for the code example the other day... I have adapted it to work for buffs, debuffs and curable afflictions (posion, curse etc..) |
| 01:19.12 | Shadowed | well the game wasn't so happy with running a loop 10,000,000,000,000 times |
| 01:19.12 | cladhaire | good good! =) |
| 01:20.03 | Shane_ | now I just have to figure out why I get a short graphical hitch everytime cooldown timers kick off.. might have to do with the 200+ buttons?? heh weird thing is it happens even if they all are :Hide() |
| 01:20.29 | Mike-N-Go | Shadowed: What all was in the loop? |
| 01:21.00 | Shane_ | anyone know if its possible to disable cooldown visual for a checkbutton? |
| 01:23.32 | Shadowed | Mike-N-Go: comparing a float |
| 01:23.49 | Mike-N-Go | Root bear =P |
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| 01:44.25 | Sstixrud | Kaso just the person I was looking for... did you mention there was a way to disable cooldown timers on a per button basis? |
| 01:45.39 | WobWork | anyone know how to detect if a pdf is using cmyk as opposed to RGB? |
| 01:46.19 | Kaso | Sstixrud, depends, you can if you want to disable them out of combat, but they are secure frames so you cant do it if you want to do it whilst in combat |
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| 01:46.59 | Sstixrud | Kaso well I want to disable cooldown for all my raid buttons (6 x 40) but not disable them for my other buttons |
| 01:47.34 | Sstixrud | I found out that having cooldown visual enabled for 250+ buttons causes a short hitch everytime it kicks off :) |
| 01:47.42 | Kaso | Just itterate overthem Hide()ing ButtonNameCooldown |
| 01:47.52 | Sstixrud | even if the button is :Hide() |
| 01:48.00 | Sstixrud | matter of fact even if the frame is hidden |
| 01:48.21 | Kaso | hmm? |
| 01:48.23 | Sstixrud | hmm will that be any diff than if the button was already :hide() |
| 01:48.41 | Kaso | if the button is hidden then the cooldown will also be as it is a child |
| 01:48.56 | Corrodias | a shortage of tanks who are willing to play with anybody but each other in my guild is going to force me to go feral |
| 01:49.03 | Sstixrud | If I have 250+ buttons and even if every button / frame assoicated with them are :Hide() it still causes a graphical hitch whenever cooldown visaul kicks off |
| 01:49.25 | Kaso | im not sue why that is happening |
| 01:49.39 | Sstixrud | if I cut the number of buttons down considerably it goes away |
| 01:50.06 | Kaso | sorry im not sure |
| 01:50.24 | Sstixrud | ok :| it must run the cooldown animation even if its Hidden |
| 01:51.16 | Legorol | Is it possible to collect the lunar festival coins again this year, or if i had collected them last year they are gone? |
| 01:51.38 | Sstixrud | you would think cooldown animations would be disabled if the button was :Disable() |
| 01:51.39 | Sstixrud | :| |
| 01:53.17 | Kaso | Sstixrud, |
| 01:53.28 | Sstixrud | yes sir? |
| 01:53.41 | Kaso | try hooking CooldownFrame_SetTimer to see if you can stop it being called for the buttons you do not wish |
| 01:56.03 | Sstixrud | not sure what you mean by hooking? |
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| 01:58.15 | Kaso | you wanna do something like this http://pastey.net/6936 |
| 01:59.45 | Sstixrud | awww so hooking means overwritting the native code? |
| 02:00.13 | Sstixrud | or to take control from it I guess is a better way of saying it |
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| 02:24.20 | WobWork | Sstixrud: You generally don't want to overwrite the code, but piggyback on top of it |
| 02:24.35 | WobWork | So it still does what it is meant to, but also calls your code before/after it's done |
| 02:25.15 | Kaso | however in this case over-riding is required |
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| 02:54.58 | Shadowed | weird, for some reason OnHide is lagging behind the casting bar under name plates |
| 02:55.11 | Shadowed | sometimes 1-2 second delay before it fires |
| 02:55.48 | Shadowed | except name plates fire the event instantly |
| 02:56.10 | Kaso | Ive noticed sometimes with the casting bar, if say i turn around and a previously hidden nameplate gets shown itll flash for a second then fade out, thats annoying, is that connected? |
| 02:56.35 | Shadowed | I think so |
| 02:57.11 | Shadowed | I'm watching the OnShow/OnHide events for casting bar, it looks like when the name plates are shown so are the casting bars, and same with hidden...even if theres no spell active |
| 02:58.44 | Shadowed | the reason it only happens sometimes i'm guessing is because you don't always have a casting bar created |
| 02:59.46 | Kaso | makes sense |
| 03:01.17 | Shadowed | I think I can prevent that from happening, pretty sure if min/max value is 0/100 then we can hide it until it changes |
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| 03:25.47 | Cairenn | quiet night |
| 03:37.16 | Shadowed | Out of curiosity is there a specific reason to store localizations? So far i've seen using keys (FOO_BAR) inside a table, using a table with the text in it like ["Foo Bar"] = true, or ["Foo Bar"] = "Foo Bar" |
| 03:37.26 | Shadowed | is it just the authors choice, or does a certain way hold advantages over another |
| 03:37.49 | Shadowed | er, specific reason in the way people store localization |
| 03:43.02 | Iriel | What do you mean by 'localization' in this context? |
| 03:47.07 | Shadowed | http://pastey.net/6945 thats what I mean by three different ways |
| 03:49.04 | Kaso | the last two are one in the same |
| 03:49.35 | Kaso | thats how ace does it, if its true then it returns the table's key by some metatable magic iirc |
| 03:50.10 | Shadowed | second one is done differently when translated over aces |
| 03:51.11 | Shadowed | Ace translates the key and the second one translates the actual value but leaves the key the same |
| 03:52.13 | Kaso | The reasoning behind having the table indexed by the english text i guess is so that the code is still "readable" you can look down and see print(L["You suck haha"]) and know whats going on easily |
| 03:52.25 | WobWork | It's a standardisation so that localisations can be easily made |
| 03:52.35 | WobWork | and be code readable to the original author, as Kaso said |
| 03:53.25 | Kaso | ive never really used ace, but does it support having its locale indexed by a foreign locale? |
| 03:53.50 | Shadowed | i see, I guess that explains why the second one had setmetatable in the DE/FR localization files |
| 03:55.15 | Iriel | I suspect it doesn't matter which locale it's keyed in, as long as (a) the actual code uses that locale and (b) you put the right replacements in the right locales |
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| 04:21.28 | cladhaire | The end of the Gorefiend quests is pretty damn cool |
| 04:21.40 | scotepi | hello, is there a modifyer for lign of sight? i cant to /stopcasting only if the target is lining of sight |
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| 04:22.35 | Kaso | theres no way of checking LOS, until a spell fails to cast |
| 04:22.36 | Kaso | theres no way of checking LOS, until a spell fails to cast |
| 04:22.47 | scotepi | :( k |
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| 04:35.24 | Kaso | Sstixrud, did the hooking thing work in the end? |
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| 04:49.58 | scotepi | is it posable to make a macro with links in it? |
| 04:50.34 | Kaso | sorta |
| 04:50.44 | Kaso | What do you wish to do |
| 04:50.53 | scotepi | make a transmuting add macro |
| 04:50.57 | scotepi | *ad |
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| 04:52.14 | Kaso | i have just the guide for you |
| 04:52.38 | Kaso | http://ui.worldofwar.net/macros.php?id=120 |
| 04:54.02 | Kaso | Ignore the idiot who commented at the end |
| 04:54.12 | Kaso | getting a whole addon just to make one macro is stupid |
| 04:56.07 | scotepi | i wish bliz would fix text entery in wow.. the select bug and the odd cursor placements.. and make the macro window bigger |
| 04:56.50 | Kaso | yah it usually better to write macros outside wow and copy paste in |
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| 04:57.59 | Kaso | For some reason theyve moved the "Macro Code:" from the very top to the very bottom so it isnt layed out right :< |
| 04:59.55 | Kaso | that helped any scotepi ? |
| 05:00.26 | scotepi | umm are indexes saved from session to session? |
| 05:01.07 | Kaso | yes, the indexes are based on how far down the profession list the items are |
| 05:01.21 | Kaso | they can change if you fiddle about with the sorting tabs between sessions though |
| 05:01.25 | scotepi | so they can change :( |
| 05:01.43 | Kaso | well, dont change the sorting :> |
| 05:02.07 | Kaso | there is another opition if you only want to link one item |
| 05:03.04 | Kaso | or maybe two |
| 05:04.10 | scotepi | how do i get index without counting? |
| 05:04.45 | Kaso | The code which is now at the bottom is a search routine |
| 05:04.58 | Kaso | it used to be at the top but they changed formatting |
| 05:05.14 | Kaso | change "Name of Item" for what you want to search |
| 05:06.02 | scotepi | ah |
| 05:06.13 | scotepi | its missing that little bit in the discription |
| 05:06.28 | Kaso | mm the text doesnt make sense now they changed the formatting |
| 05:15.20 | scotepi | can you do manual item links? |
| 05:16.00 | scotepi | like |cff9d9d9d|Hitem:7073:0:0:0:0:0:0:0|h[Broken Fang]|h|r |
| 05:17.36 | Kaso | yes |
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| 05:18.00 | scotepi | i tried copy and past with no luck |
| 05:18.02 | Kaso | you can do /run SendChatMessage("\124cff9d9d9d|Hitem:7073:0:0:0:0:0:0:0\124h[Broken Fang]\124h|\124","SAY") |
| 05:18.07 | Kaso | replace | with \124 |
| 05:18.14 | scotepi | k |
| 05:19.44 | scotepi | no luck |
| 05:20.34 | scotepi | whatever, not a big deal |
| 05:20.34 | Kaso | paste the line you have |
| 05:35.05 | Corrodias | here's one thing i don't understand |
| 05:35.15 | Corrodias | blizzard makes rogues able to stunlock people to death in under ten seconds |
| 05:35.22 | Corrodias | then makes most bosses stun immune |
| 05:35.32 | Corrodias | it's like rogue is "the pvp class" |
| 05:41.13 | Corrodias | perhaps my pvp tactics against rogues are lacking |
| 05:41.47 | Neuro_Medivh | what class are you? |
| 05:44.11 | Corrodias | balance/restoration druid, personally |
| 05:45.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | not all rogues can stunlock fully |
| 05:45.44 | Corrodias | well that's a comfort |
| 05:46.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | if you know how to do it you can get into bear before they get to kidney shot you |
| 05:46.14 | Neuro_Medivh | just shift into bear form, wait for them to run out of energy, then own them |
| 05:46.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | except they can't run out of energy :P |
| 05:46.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | really all they can do is Cheap Shot, Gouge, and Kidney shot |
| 05:46.58 | Corrodias | sap one person |
| 05:47.02 | Corrodias | cheap shot the next |
| 05:47.07 | Neuro_Medivh | eventually, they miss one |
| 05:47.10 | Corrodias | when that's about to run out, either of those two |
| 05:47.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | well sap's not really a stun |
| 05:47.15 | Neuro_Medivh | that's how my warrior kills them |
| 05:47.18 | Corrodias | eventaully after everyone's dead |
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| 05:47.38 | Neuro_Medivh | they try to stun lock me, then they either run out of energy or they miss a stun, then I pwn their face |
| 05:47.44 | Karrion | a true stunlock requires then to a) be specced for it, b) have perfect timing, and c) never miss |
| 05:48.05 | Neuro_Medivh | and b is hard to do now |
| 05:48.07 | Karrion | sure there are rogues that can do it, but it's not like they have a stunlock button ;-) |
| 05:48.12 | Neuro_Medivh | not anymore =) |
| 05:48.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | and requires you not to be a dumbass |
| 05:48.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | which most rogues can't manage :p |
| 05:48.38 | Neuro_Medivh | most blow all their energy on sinister strikes and such |
| 05:49.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | i pop my dodge trinket as soon as cheap shot breaks |
| 05:49.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | and it's all downhill from there for the rogue |
| 05:49.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | a bear with a 40% chance to dodge :p |
| 05:49.45 | Neuro_Medivh | I really dislike my class for pvp now |
| 05:49.55 | Neuro_Medivh | (shaman) |
| 05:50.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | try enhancement :O |
| 05:50.09 | Neuro_Medivh | I am |
| 05:50.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | i love it pvp |
| 05:50.20 | Neuro_Medivh | at 70, it's so hard |
| 05:50.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | double windfury is so awesome |
| 05:50.28 | Neuro_Medivh | fear = game over |
| 05:50.34 | Neuro_Medivh | no method of breaking it |
| 05:50.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | tremor totem, but i realize that's not reliable |
| 05:50.45 | Neuro_Medivh | tremor totem does. not. work. |
| 05:50.54 | Neuro_Medivh | It *never* works |
| 05:51.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | it likes ticking when you're a mile away |
| 05:51.03 | Neuro_Medivh | yep |
| 05:51.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | but it's better than what us droods have for fear :[ |
| 05:51.27 | Neuro_Medivh | hey, you get the pvp trinket at least |
| 05:51.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | well and you have grounding totems but most of the time that's not useful either |
| 05:51.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | i never use my pvp trinket, it's not worth losing all that extra damage for it :X |
| 05:52.16 | Neuro_Medivh | and it's not lock fear that annoys me |
| 05:52.35 | Neuro_Medivh | it's that damn instacast psychic scream |
| 05:52.45 | Neuro_Medivh | can't interrupt, can't grounding totem it |
| 05:53.15 | Corrodias | warlock fear + frost nova = dead |
| 05:54.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've gotten pretty good with anticipating a psychic scream |
| 05:54.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | i can run >5 yards away and miss it a lot of times |
| 05:54.02 | Neuro_Medivh | also, I get really annoyed with that hunter ability, Intimidation |
| 05:54.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | i love being on vent with the priest that just missed his psychic scream |
| 05:54.03 | Neuro_Medivh | seems like every hunter I fight has that |
| 05:54.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | hunters can stunlock pretty well if spec'd for it |
| 05:54.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | Boar Charge, Improved Concussive Shot, Intimidatio |
| 05:54.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | freeze trap |
| 05:54.50 | Neuro_Medivh | god, I loathe freeze trap |
| 05:55.05 | Neuro_Medivh | again, because there's no way to get out of it |
| 05:55.28 | Neuro_Medivh | not even the pvp trinket, because it's not an "immobilize" effect, for some reason |
| 05:55.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | or a stun |
| 05:56.00 | Corrodias | and a druid gets cyclone! |
| 05:56.07 | Corrodias | which makes your target immune to everything :P |
| 05:56.21 | Corrodias | i get one CC method other than roots and it makes them invincible |
| 05:56.41 | Neuro_Medivh | lol, at least it works |
| 05:56.57 | Neuro_Medivh | try playing a mage vs a druid... no cc works, ever |
| 05:57.15 | Neuro_Medivh | poly? nope... nova? Nope! |
| 05:57.27 | Neuro_Medivh | blink? Charge! |
| 05:57.55 | Kaso | try play as a priest against pretty much any class out there with there pvp trinket on |
| 05:57.58 | Kaso | Fear, trinketed |
| 05:58.08 | Kaso | oh well better wait 30seconds to late im dead |
| 05:58.46 | Neuro_Medivh | shaman trinket doesn't work vs fear |
| 05:58.59 | Kaso | totem :> |
| 05:59.11 | Neuro_Medivh | lol |
| 05:59.16 | Neuro_Medivh | totem! that's funny! |
| 05:59.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | <Neuro_Medivh> try playing a mage vs a druid... no cc works, ever |
| 05:59.29 | Neuro_Medivh | I can't even get the totem to work in pve, much less pvp |
| 05:59.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | still, use them, dumb druids will shift out and burn their mana |
| 05:59.56 | Neuro_Medivh | rabies, no, they go into bear form where I can't poly |
| 05:59.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | space them out enough so that they will be more likely to shift in and out over and over |
| 06:00.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | no, but you can nova, frostolt, etc |
| 06:00.09 | Neuro_Medivh | they only have to shift once, for nova |
| 06:00.17 | Neuro_Medivh | you never get a bolt off dude |
| 06:00.25 | Neuro_Medivh | and if you do, they just charge you |
| 06:01.05 | Neuro_Medivh | not saying "nerf druids", just saying they are the rock to our scissors |
| 06:01.30 | Neuro_Medivh | just like mages are scissors to the warrior paper |
| 06:01.48 | Neuro_Medivh | well, a frost mage at least |
| 06:02.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | keeping a feral druid slowed is pretty poweful |
| 06:03.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | because we don't have enough mana to keep shifting in and out |
| 06:04.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | i have 4000 mana and it costs about 1000 to shift in |
| 06:04.43 | Corrodias | so far we can handle anything except rogues |
| 06:05.00 | Corrodias | disable one person, kill another |
| 06:05.11 | Corrodias | in a 3v3 team, that doesn't leave you many people |
| 06:05.56 | Neuro_Medivh | yeah, not like a druid can't just cyclone one person, then another, then a third =) |
| 06:06.21 | Corrodias | doesn't work well when you're stunned by a rogue |
| 06:06.28 | Mike-N-Go | Night. |
| 06:07.29 | Cairenn | night Mike-N-Go |
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| 06:21.36 | Mike-N-Go | Hunters should have a Dolphin forum.. |
| 06:33.18 | Corrodias | as much as i like the whole balance/restoration business, it really isn't what i'd call a "fearsome force" |
| 06:34.22 | Corrodias | meh. it's fantastic in pve. i'm going to leave it. |
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| 06:37.58 | Corrodias | well... that's what i'd like to say |
| 06:38.08 | Corrodias | that pesky tank shortage i mentioned before might force me into feral to get anything done anyway |
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| 06:56.52 | Cairenn | night all |
| 06:57.02 | TC-blorb | night Cairenn |
| 07:00.17 | Nom- | lol |
| 07:00.25 | Nom- | Tank shortage? |
| 07:00.44 | Nom- | With all the Feral Druids and Protection Paladins, surely there's enough? |
| 07:00.56 | Nom- | Or has noone realised that Protection Paladin with a 2-hander > all |
| 07:02.14 | TC-blorb | hardly, loosing 4K armor is not < all |
| 07:02.22 | TC-blorb | errr > |
| 07:02.44 | Nom- | losing 4k armor? |
| 07:02.48 | Nom- | how does that work? |
| 07:03.00 | Nom- | oh ... i'm talking about solo grinding |
| 07:03.02 | Nom- | not tanking |
| 07:03.38 | Nom- | I pull 2-3 mobs with a 2-hander equipped and i can drop them like mad because it's like perminent windfury :) |
| 07:03.40 | TC-blorb | oh..ok then |
| 07:04.16 | Nom- | I put out more dps as prot than i ever did with ret |
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| 07:04.29 | Nom- | The problem is you need to be geared for ret, and noone who is grinding is suitably geared |
| 07:04.35 | Nom- | So everyone *should* be going prot |
| 07:06.36 | Nom- | Ret is a spec which relies on +crit and high +agi for good dps |
| 07:07.03 | Nom- | Prot relies on you getting hit (which is enevitable) :) |
| 07:15.37 | Tierrie | what does lua define 0/0 to be? |
| 07:15.55 | Kaso | nan |
| 07:16.26 | Tierrie | thanks matey |
| 07:16.28 | Kaso | but im not sure if you can use nan in logic |
| 07:17.18 | Kaso | ah |
| 07:17.25 | Kaso | math.nan is what you need to use for logic |
| 07:17.46 | Kaso | oh no |
| 07:18.06 | Kaso | sorry im being stupid, this tutorial is just suggesting to define math.nan = 0/0 |
| 07:18.13 | Kaso | http://lua-users.org/wiki/InfAndNanComparisons |
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| 07:54.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | man i hate mechanar |
| 07:59.44 | haste | It's better then AQ40 at least |
| 08:02.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | true |
| 08:02.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | i just hate tanking when things are immune to lacerate |
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| 10:11.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://youtube.com/watch?v=F9KCBzwpmX8 |
| 10:11.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | :O |
| 10:11.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | Marmots are awesome |
| 10:24.22 | Industrial | I need some priest advide |
| 10:24.32 | Industrial | Im level 31 now |
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| 10:24.42 | Industrial | shadow so far |
| 10:25.38 | Industrial | My usual strategy is PWS, SWP, mind blast, wand - maybe recast PWS |
| 10:26.11 | Industrial | will this change as I level higher? its harder to keep up with my SWP damage as I level higher, both do 40 damage pet hit/tick now |
| 10:26.58 | Industrial | also I wonder what spell is most mana efficient (dont mind if its over time) |
| 10:27.04 | zenzelezz | granted I wasn't much of a good priest, I went to 57 in mostly Discipline with SW:P, PW:S + wand |
| 10:28.18 | Industrial | oh and |
| 10:28.24 | Industrial | what kind of gear do I need |
| 10:28.37 | Industrial | all int, all sta, int sta, spi? :P |
| 10:29.13 | zenzelezz | this is where you need a real priest's advice :-p I never figured those out |
| 10:29.24 | zenzelezz | if you're lucky one will wake up soon |
| 10:33.11 | Industrial | ^^ |
| 10:34.40 | Industrial | http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=rVMG0hxtbxEZZEM0t |
| 10:34.46 | Industrial | seems retty leet |
| 10:34.47 | Industrial | :P |
| 10:39.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | <Industrial> also I wonder what spell is most mana efficient (dont mind if its over time) |
| 10:40.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | SWP and Mind Flay are both amazingly efficient |
| 10:42.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm going with this build on my priest i think http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=bxZZEMgtMtRhtEo |
| 10:45.35 | Industrial | wouldnt you rather wand wand spec? |
| 10:45.39 | Industrial | well for leveling |
| 10:46.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | eh |
| 10:46.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | not really |
| 10:46.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | i rarely used my wand |
| 10:46.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | Mind Flay is just too awesome |
| 10:47.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | mind blast pull, SWP, fear, mindflay them around you in a circle |
| 10:47.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | mind blast when it cools down |
| 10:47.40 | Industrial | my wand hits for 40 atm, mind flay like uh.. 25? |
| 10:47.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | rinse and repeat |
| 10:48.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | i almost never get hit while mind flayed |
| 10:48.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | er while mind flaying |
| 10:48.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't even bother with VE half the time cause i rarely get hit |
| 10:49.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | though if something can break your shield then wand as soon as it drops |
| 10:49.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | i was grinding 28 elites at 26 on my priest, it was insane |
| 10:50.07 | Industrial | i should learn to fraps |
| 10:50.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | without losing much health |
| 10:50.13 | Industrial | shows so much more :P |
| 10:50.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | you know those dwarves in northern wetlands? |
| 10:50.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | in dun modr? |
| 10:50.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | i was grinding those at 26 :P |
| 10:50.56 | Industrial | lol |
| 10:50.57 | Industrial | damn |
| 10:51.02 | zenzelezz | I suck at such grinding, I just quested |
| 10:51.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | so did i most of the time |
| 10:51.18 | zenzelezz | by the time normal mobs gets through PW:S, it's ready to be cast again |
| 10:51.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | but i killed those for the "i wonder if i can" sense |
| 10:51.41 | Industrial | yeh thats fun |
| 10:51.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | got like 1200 EXP per kill or something crazy like that |
| 10:51.47 | Industrial | o_O |
| 10:52.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | rested |
| 10:52.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | but still |
| 10:52.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | i maintanked a SM run at 40 |
| 10:52.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | got highest on EVERY METER |
| 10:52.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | healing done, healing taken, damage done, damage taken |
| 10:53.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | and i'm not even twinked out, never have been |
| 10:53.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | shadow priests are massively overpowered while leveling :p |
| 10:53.41 | Industrial | :s |
| 10:55.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | once you hit 30 or so you're probably one of the most efficient solo classes in the game |
| 10:56.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | makes me wanna level my priest |
| 10:56.56 | amro | kek http://xkcd.org/c225.html |
| 10:57.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | too bad azeroth is terrible |
| 10:57.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | gnu dawn |
| 10:57.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | HAHAHAHA |
| 10:58.05 | Industrial | lol |
| 10:58.11 | Industrial | ^^ ok thats good |
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| 11:01.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://xkcd.org/c218.html |
| 11:01.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | i almost choked on my breakfast reading that |
| 11:02.25 | Wobin | drainlocks are pretty efficient grindingwise |
| 11:02.30 | haste | xkcd :3 |
| 11:03.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | draintanking isnt as effective as it used to be but its still good :o |
| 11:04.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh man http://xkcd.com/c214.html |
| 11:04.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | so true :X |
| 11:05.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | and the alt text is frightening |
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| 11:12.25 | amro | hahah this is awesome http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comic.php?d=20070207 |
| 11:57.56 | Industrial | hahaha Mr_Rabies2 |
| 11:58.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | taft in a wet tshirt contest /cry |
| 11:59.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/79/Taft.png |
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| 12:02.44 | Tol_LORDEARON | Hello |
| 12:03.07 | Industrial | olleH |
| 12:05.13 | Tol_LORDEARON | do you mind helping me for a sec. ? |
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| 12:31.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | medivh does night elf animations O_o |
| 12:32.25 | Tol_LORDEARON | hi |
| 12:32.32 | Industrial | Tol_LORDEARON: just ask |
| 12:32.38 | Industrial | Tol_LORDEARON: someone might be able to help |
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| 13:38.09 | sysrage | medivh is a rat bastard |
| 13:39.08 | zenzelezz | why's that? |
| 13:39.42 | sysrage | i don't know. do i look like a psychologist? |
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| 14:16.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | hahaha |
| 14:17.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | they didn't bother making some of the existing bosses' immune to spell reflect |
| 14:17.47 | Kaso | like which |
| 14:19.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | and apparently emeriss' special |
| 14:19.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | will kill himself |
| 14:19.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | 25% ability: Corruption of the Earth - Affects all players in range. 10 second Shadow DoT that deals 20% of the player's max health every 2 seconds. It cannot be dispelled and has a 100 yard range |
| 14:19.30 | Kaso | didnt they fix that years ago when people used the shadow reflector trinkets |
| 14:19.51 | Kaso | I remeber Momento Mori on my server one-hitted him a couple times with it then it was patched |
| 14:19.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | apparently they didnt bother with spell reflect yet |
| 14:20.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | hrm though i could be misreading this post |
| 14:20.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | i guess its worth trying |
| 14:21.06 | Kaso | i guess |
| 14:21.22 | zenzelezz | I would find it hard to believe that they fixed it with shadow reflectors and not spell reflect... but I don't know how they solve those things |
| 14:21.41 | zenzelezz | tagging a spell as unreflectable or a boss as immune to the spell should make it impossible with both I would think |
| 14:24.38 | Kaso | Its not like emeriss is even hard nowadays though |
| 14:24.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | One's Reflect Spells, and one's Reflect Shadow spells |
| 14:24.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | hrm |
| 14:24.51 | Kaso | i bet you could 3 man it pretty easily |
| 14:25.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | One's Reflect Spells, and one's Reflect School spells* |
| 14:25.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | mechanics wise |
| 14:25.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | so there's a possibility blizzard took the cheap route and just made him immune to Reflect School(Shadow) |
| 14:25.46 | zenzelezz | Mr_Rabies2: yes, but a spell should theoretically be easy to tag as non-reflectable, or even just added to the boss's immune list; since "Spell Reflect" is not what the boss receives |
| 14:25.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's true |
| 14:28.23 | Kaso | whats the cooldown on spell reflect? |
| 14:28.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | 10 sec |
| 14:28.56 | zenzelezz | 10 seconds |
| 14:29.43 | Kaso | and it only reflects direct spells, just immunes to aoe if i remeber correctly? |
| 14:29.58 | zenzelezz | immunes? |
| 14:29.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | i think |
| 14:30.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | probably just passes through |
| 14:30.14 | Kaso | that sucks |
| 14:30.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | it'd be insanely powerful |
| 14:30.25 | zenzelezz | it's a bit weird, the Sirens in Steamvault seem to have a multi-target fear, but I could reflect that yesterday |
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| 14:30.33 | malreth | RAR! |
| 14:30.34 | zenzelezz | most AoEs just go through |
| 14:30.57 | Kaso | i see |
| 14:30.57 | zenzelezz | can be fun to reflect channeled spells |
| 14:30.57 | malreth | this is malreth... and I once killed a man just to watch him die! |
| 14:31.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | what does reflecting say |
| 14:31.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | mind flay do? |
| 14:31.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | or drain soul, hahaha |
| 14:31.23 | zenzelezz | not sure, haven't tried it on those |
| 14:31.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | Warrior Receives loot [Soul Shard]. |
| 14:31.33 | Kaso | It me pretty powerful on Twin emps, also perhaps C'Thun ? |
| 14:31.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | O_o |
| 14:31.48 | zenzelezz | don't know |
| 14:32.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | it me shoes hows it you |
| 14:32.05 | Industrial | Soul Drain! ... warrior: sike! *warlock dies* |
| 14:32.08 | zenzelezz | never went back after BC; and you don't receive it before level 64 |
| 14:32.28 | Kaso | Im just trying to think of any battles it would trivialise |
| 14:32.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | does the lock get his OWN soul if he dies while it's up? |
| 14:32.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | or does the warrior? |
| 14:32.56 | zenzelezz | remember some mobs in Netherstorm that channels you (without damage) for like five seconds, and once it ends you take a bit of damage? (1500 or something) |
| 14:32.57 | Industrial | er isnt just the damage returned? |
| 14:33.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | it'd probably be pretty fun for geddon, kaso |
| 14:33.06 | zenzelezz | cast reflect right before it ends and the NPC takes the damage |
| 14:33.19 | Kaso | Geddon would be immune to the bomb but |
| 14:33.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh hes immune to fire |
| 14:33.32 | zenzelezz | reflecting polymorph or entangling roots can be fun |
| 14:33.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've never taken a fire-caster into m |
| 14:33.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | c |
| 14:33.57 | Kaso | Im pretty sure he is immune to fire |
| 14:34.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | any druid worth his snuff will go travel form if he gets rooted instantly |
| 14:34.21 | zenzelezz | I'm a PvE guy |
| 14:34.24 | Kaso | i wonder if you could reflect BA onto vael |
| 14:34.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | ha |
| 14:34.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | or uh |
| 14:34.36 | Kaso | i guess its fire school so he'd be immune |
| 14:34.38 | zenzelezz | isn't that some sort of AoE? |
| 14:34.45 | Kaso | BA is single target |
| 14:34.56 | zenzelezz | oh, I was thinking of the other one |
| 14:35.00 | Kaso | fire nova |
| 14:35.02 | zenzelezz | Essence of the Red? |
| 14:35.05 | Kaso | oh that |
| 14:35.08 | Kaso | yah thats aoe |
| 14:35.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | what happens if you spell reflect a mob that has a reflect but can also cast spells |
| 14:35.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | :O |
| 14:35.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | like he casts a shadowbolt and both of you pop your reflects |
| 14:35.34 | zenzelezz | Chuck Norris dies |
| 14:35.37 | Kaso | the old "Two frost reflectors on mages" conunrum |
| 14:36.22 | Kaso | either A) Noone takes damage B) its only reflected once, the caster takes the damage |
| 14:36.41 | Kaso | C) Server crashes as it reflects back and forth infinitely |
| 14:36.55 | zenzelezz | breath-type abilities can't be reflected :-| At least none I've tried it on |
| 14:37.00 | Kaso | mmhm |
| 14:37.03 | Kaso | theyre aoe |
| 14:37.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | would it be like sonic when he hits the stupid freakin springs two feet apart in Hill Top Zone in Sonic 2 |
| 14:37.31 | zenzelezz | I love reflecting the shrink spell on the mechanical boss in Steamvault |
| 14:37.37 | Industrial | can pbaoe be reflected? |
| 14:37.49 | zenzelezz | don't think so |
| 14:37.53 | zenzelezz | Flamestrike is PBAoE? |
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| 14:38.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | hellfire is |
| 14:38.06 | Industrial | mm sort of |
| 14:38.06 | Industrial | yeah |
| 14:38.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | Old hurricane was |
| 14:38.39 | zenzelezz | hrm, I suck with spell names |
| 14:39.09 | Industrial | Point Blank Area Of Effec |
| 14:39.10 | Industrial | t |
| 14:39.21 | zenzelezz | oh, I thought you meant point-based |
| 14:39.37 | zenzelezz | I wonder what happens if you reflect polymorph from an undead mob |
| 14:40.13 | zenzelezz | probably immune, but sounds fun to try |
| 14:40.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'll reflect your face with my fist >:| |
| 14:40.55 | Industrial | lol |
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| 14:54.14 | Kaso | The President of The Gambia says his herbal remedy can kill HIV in his patients' blood. (http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30200-1252349,00.html) |
| 14:56.09 | Cairenn|afk | Yeah, but does the patient live? |
| 14:56.35 | zenzelezz | technicalities |
| 14:56.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | what we're gonna do is |
| 14:56.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | fill your blood stream with mercury |
| 14:56.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | this will kill off the virus |
| 14:57.11 | Industrial | zenzelezz: lol. |
| 14:57.22 | malreth | sounds good doctor |
| 14:57.41 | Kaso | "I do not have to convince anybody. I can cure Aids and I will not explain it to those who don't want to understand." |
| 14:57.51 | Cairenn|afk | Don't mistake me, I think there are actual "alternate" healing methods that really do work |
| 14:58.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | i highly doubt HIV is gonna be cured by some green tea and a good night's sleep, though :p |
| 14:58.33 | Cairenn|afk | But yeah, that attitude convinces me that this is legit ... not |
| 14:59.10 | Kaso | Its scary that hes giving people out there false hope about hiv |
| 14:59.28 | Industrial | I believ it has to die off by natural selection, like other epidemics (you can call it that about now.) |
| 14:59.52 | Kaso | i mean its widely practised that having sex with a virgin will cure you of aids, which is just dispicable really |
| 15:00.02 | Industrial | lmao |
| 15:00.14 | malreth | that's awful |
| 15:00.20 | Industrial | .. no seriously.. people believe that? |
| 15:00.35 | Cairenn|afk | I certainly hope not ... :( |
| 15:00.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | in africa :/ |
| 15:01.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | theres all kinds of alse remedies, and it's so bad over there people are willing to try anything :/ |
| 15:01.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | except keep it in their pants apparently |
| 15:01.39 | Kaso | I happens alot out there, and the worrying thing is when all the virgins get "used up" to put it blankly, they just move onto younger and younger girls, its kinda scary |
| 15:02.38 | Industrial | damn |
| 15:03.45 | Kaso | sorry that put a bit of a damnpener on the conversaion |
| 15:04.33 | Cairenn|afk | Meh, no worries Kaso :) |
| 15:06.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm just glad i live in an industrialized, mostly safe, nation |
| 15:06.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | i couldn't imagine life in those types of hellholes |
| 15:06.29 | krka | motion? |
| 15:06.54 | krka | so you're healthy now then malreth? |
| 15:07.02 | zenzelezz | malreth has never been healthy |
| 15:07.08 | Cairenn|afk | krka: basically just saying that I agree with him |
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| 15:07.40 | krka | gotcha |
| 15:07.48 | krka | for some reason i thought it was called notion in that idiom |
| 15:07.51 | krka | but that's plainly wrong |
| 15:08.03 | Cairenn|afk | that too |
| 15:09.23 | Cairenn|afk | But for an example - if we were in Parliament and I had some bill that I wanted to be passed into law, I would make a 'motion'. Someone would "second" it. Then we'd debate the merits of it, then put it to a vote. |
| 15:10.00 | Cairenn|afk | I was "seconding his motion" that living in an industrialized country is much preferable |
| 15:10.11 | Cairenn|afk | just a somewhat odd way of agreeing with him |
| 15:10.20 | zenzelezz | I thought motions were related to action |
| 15:10.31 | Cairenn|afk | Not in this case |
| 15:10.40 | MoonWolf | a motion here is more of a suggestion to move. |
| 15:10.47 | Cairenn|afk | Alternate meaning of the word - doncha just love English? |
| 15:11.05 | MoonWolf | only on the surface. |
| 15:11.41 | Cairenn|afk | and again, "suggestion to move" - move is being used with an alternate meaning |
| 15:12.40 | zenzelezz | well, my point was more that he seemed to be expressing an opinion, not suggesting anything |
| 15:13.10 | Cairenn|afk | Aye, and by "seconding his motion" I was actually agreeing with his opinion |
| 15:13.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | 3 a : a proposal for action; especially : a formal proposal made in a deliberative assembly b : an application made to a court or judge to obtain an order, ruling, or direction |
| 15:13.35 | Industrial | <ot>"De uitslag van het onderzoek? Volgens de dokter zijn het aambeien. Oh, je bedoelt het financiele onderzoek?", lol @ my cup-a-soup cup.</ot> |
| 15:13.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | basically, someone motions for something to change in a governmental body, and people that agree would "second the motion" |
| 15:14.06 | zenzelezz | Industrial: Dutch humor? |
| 15:14.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's just an idiom that somehow gets more common use |
| 15:14.15 | Cairenn|afk | Although it doesn't just apply to government |
| 15:14.26 | Industrial | zenzelezz: yes. |
| 15:14.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah, stuff modeled after governmental bodies too |
| 15:14.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | clubs, organizations, etc |
| 15:14.51 | Cairenn|afk | *nod* |
| 15:15.03 | Cairenn|afk | Charitable organizations typically work that way too |
| 15:15.12 | Cairenn|afk | "Roberts' Rules of Orders" |
| 15:16.49 | malreth | can we talk about virgins again? |
| 15:17.04 | Cairenn|afk | lol malreth |
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| 15:27.49 | Omni_ | Anyone have experiance with working with tooltips? |
| 15:28.07 | Kaso | Yes |
| 15:29.13 | Omni_ | I'm working on a simple mod right now that allows users to name thier bags as opposed to just having one big inventory.. though I'm unsure how to get info from a tooltip and I can't find any events to trigger when a tooltip is shown. Any suggestions? |
| 15:30.13 | Kaso | Ok, which info do you want off a tooltip |
| 15:30.26 | Cairenn|afk | Bouvi: rofl |
| 15:30.49 | zenzelezz | well that seemed random |
| 15:31.15 | Cairenn|afk | responding to a post on WoWI |
| 15:31.33 | Bouvi | hehe |
| 15:31.40 | Omni_ | I want to get enough info to discern if the tooltip is for an inventory or bank bag and which slot it's in |
| 15:32.01 | Cairenn|afk | anyway guys, I'm out again for a while I think |
| 15:32.12 | Bouvi | I once put my ex-wives undies in the freezer and knew she would be in a hurrt. Maybe that is why she is my ex. |
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| 15:32.19 | Bouvi | hurry |
| 15:32.43 | Kaso | In your case i would prob be best to hook the Set functions Omni |
| 15:33.39 | Omni_ | And how exactly would I go about doing that? |
| 15:33.50 | Kaso | you should hook GameTooltip.SetInventoryItem if i remeber correctly, thats what is called for Bag Tooltips |
| 15:34.51 | Kaso | sec |
| 15:36.37 | Kaso | this: http://pastey.net/6967 |
| 15:37.07 | Kaso | would be called each time an InventoryItem tooltip is shown, you'd have to put some code where the comment is to work out if its a bag and which bag it is |
| 15:37.40 | Kaso | ContainerIDToInventoryID(bagID) |
| 15:37.44 | Kaso | will help you work that out |
| 15:38.30 | Omni_ | Ok thanks |
| 15:38.58 | Kaso | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_ContainerIDToInventoryID (infomation there) |
| 15:39.37 | Omni_ | Oooh awesome, that's exactly what I'm looking for |
| 15:51.19 | Kaso | ~framexml |
| 15:51.21 | purl | get the official Blizzard Interface AddOn Kit here: http://www.blizzard.com/support/wow/?id=aww01671p |
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| 15:54.15 | Kaso | Im sure it worked on linux before :< |
| 15:54.21 | amro | you can also grab framexml from wdn.wowinterface.com |
| 15:54.48 | Kaso | that is true |
| 15:55.14 | Kaso | ty didnt think of that |
| 15:55.49 | amro | np, i needed to get them on linux too =) |
| 15:56.04 | Kaso | Im sure ive used the Addon kit at some point on wow |
| 15:56.08 | Kaso | it isnt liking it now though |
| 15:56.11 | Kaso | ah well |
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| 16:12.58 | JoshBorke | morning all |
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| 16:46.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | i go semi afk reading some forums while i fly from netherstorm to shadowmoon, and i look up and the entire screen is blue but my gryphon. |
| 16:46.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | damn zangarmarsh fog. |
| 16:47.04 | cogwheel|work | yeah... they really overdid it, imo |
| 16:47.23 | Shadowed | Haven't noticed any fog in ZAngarmarsh |
| 16:47.35 | cogwheel|work | o.o |
| 16:48.48 | Kaso | the thing that annoys me is that the "ceiling" is too low |
| 16:49.42 | Shadowed | in Zangermarsh, or in general? |
| 16:50.08 | sysrage | o_O how is it too low? it's high as hell everywhere i've tried to fly high |
| 16:50.12 | cogwheel|work | Shadowed: the "fog" is just the bluish haze you see that obscures things in the distance |
| 16:50.21 | Shadowed | oh that |
| 16:50.38 | cogwheel|work | "fog" is a technical term in 3d graphics :P |
| 16:51.06 | Shadowed | I though you meant actual fog, not fog to prevent the entire map from showing :p |
| 16:51.07 | zenzelezz | mostly an alias for "zomg make the skybox blend with the horizon" |
| 16:51.10 | Kaso | i find if i try to leave myself auto-flying between places alot of the time ill end up stuck against the ceiling |
| 16:51.22 | Kaso | i think the main issue is the ceiling isnt the same height everywhere |
| 16:51.26 | Shadowed | Like where Kaso? I haven't had any issues |
| 16:51.59 | Kaso | Off the top of my head i cant think of anything, but i know it annoys me when it happens |
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| 16:52.53 | zenzelezz | I wonder how your silver gets from you on the bird to the gryphon masters when you're just flying past one |
| 16:53.13 | zenzelezz | usually the bird flies too far away to toss the money to them |
| 16:53.24 | Elkano | you put it into a money bag and drop it when passing by |
| 16:53.32 | gnorlish | slingshots |
| 16:53.39 | gnorlish | tiny little slingshots |
| 16:53.57 | Shadowed | if thats the case, why don't we get to control the slingshots. would make flying more fun |
| 16:54.09 | gnorlish | the mounts are trained to use them |
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| 17:30.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | <Kaso> i think the main issue is the ceiling isnt the same height everywhere |
| 17:30.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah, nothing like going AFK at the ceiling in blade's edge facing a direction and come back 20 minutes later 100 feet from where i was cawing up a storm |
| 17:33.28 | Silviu- | Shadowed around ? ;) |
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| 17:38.00 | Silviu- | Shadowed u forgot to add DongleStub i guess to your Nameplate check comments on wowi :) |
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| 17:58.39 | Kirkburn|afk | Lol a new hotfix: "Mechanical bosses, like the Fel Reaver, are now immune to the Gnomish Universal Remote." |
| 17:59.03 | cogwheel|work | awwwwww |
| 17:59.37 | Xuerian | rofl |
| 17:59.56 | subbot | apparently it worked on doomwalker too :P |
| 18:00.01 | Kaso | owch |
| 18:00.22 | Xuerian | Would've been funny to see |
| 18:01.11 | subbot | does anyone know how the instance limit works? |
| 18:02.16 | Kirkburn|afk | Very interesting article by a Hollywood scriptwriter regarding WoW - http://johnaugust.com/?p=718 |
| 18:07.08 | JoshBorke | what? |
| 18:07.25 | JoshBorke | erm, what do you mean by instance limit? |
| 18:07.46 | cogwheel|work | I think he means the number of times you can go into a unique instance... |
| 18:08.15 | cogwheel|work | in a certain time period... but i don't know the details so i didn't answer :P |
| 18:08.33 | Kaso | 5 in an hour isnt it? |
| 18:09.26 | Kirkburn|afk | iirc, yeah |
| 18:11.34 | Kaso | this is awesome, http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2340421 |
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| 18:17.09 | JoshBorke | 5 per hour for normal instances |
| 18:17.19 | JoshBorke | you can kill 1 boss in a heroic once a day |
| 18:17.41 | JoshBorke | if you kill a boss and then wipe, well, get back up and hope you don't have respawns |
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| 18:40.27 | sysrage | is it true the blacksmith in kara will repair you at honored? |
| 18:42.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | i think its 5 per hour |
| 18:42.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | eep |
| 18:42.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | was scrolled up |
| 18:42.44 | zenzelezz | sysrage: yes, he will |
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| 18:42.58 | zenzelezz | also sells some crap and three blacksmithing plans then |
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| 18:48.43 | KarlThePagan | is there a character equipment planner out there somewhere that is up to date? (uses gems etc?) |
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| 18:59.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | i dunno if CTprofiles does, but that's usually pretty reliable for that kinda thing |
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| 19:08.08 | KarlThePagan | Mr_Rabies, yea ctprofiles doesn't have it that's why i ask |
| 19:08.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | ah |
| 19:08.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | i just checked, yeah :[ |
| 19:08.30 | Kaso | ctprofiles is pretty much the only one like that |
| 19:08.48 | KarlThePagan | not quite, but the only one that's been updated to work with lv 70 and most new items |
| 19:09.20 | Kaso | Poke Cide next time you see him and dont stop poking till he makes it work with sockets! |
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| 19:09.29 | Kaso | haha :> |
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| 19:16.33 | Kirkburn|afk | Kaso, awesome link you posted |
| 19:17.14 | Kaso | the graffiti one |
| 19:19.12 | Kaso | It is pretty awesome |
| 19:19.23 | Kaso | i enjoyed the police part |
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| 19:31.31 | sysrage | wow. badass: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2340421 |
| 19:31.37 | sysrage | oops lol |
| 19:31.44 | sysrage | meant to show another chan |
| 19:31.59 | Kaso | haha |
| 19:32.06 | sysrage | very cool though |
| 19:32.12 | Kaso | it is indeed |
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| 19:36.08 | Corrodias | our guild's shadow priest does so much healing with vampiric touch. it's insane. |
| 19:36.34 | Kaso | yah but how much overhealing does he do |
| 19:36.38 | Kaso | like 80%? |
| 19:36.43 | Corrodias | 90%+ |
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| 19:53.24 | foxlit | Why care about overhealing on vampiric touch, though? :) |
| 19:54.23 | Kaso | i agree there is no reason to care, but random tangential though, who gets the threat for paladin's mana the healer or the paladin |
| 19:54.23 | Bouvi | Do the graphics in the Lord of the Rings game really look that good? |
| 19:59.21 | Cide | you don't get threat for overheal if that's what you're asking |
| 20:00.28 | Kaso | but the paladins gain mana from the healing, surely there is some threat from the power gain, who is it directed towards |
| 20:00.52 | Cide | paladin if anyone |
| 20:06.40 | Kirkburn|afk | Oh this is AWESOME ... "In response to Tim Hardaways "I hate gays" comments, George Takei (Mr. Sulu) makes this public response to him." http://www.influks.com/post897.html |
| 20:10.03 | Kirkburn|afk | Not that I've ever heard of Tim Hardaway, but it looks like his comments have ruined his career, going by his wikipedia page |
| 20:10.35 | Mike-N-Go | Humm.. |
| 20:10.36 | Mike-N-Go | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info4814-ZorlenFinalRelease.html |
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| 20:10.44 | Mike-N-Go | He has an add asking for monies.. |
| 20:11.19 | Shadowed | Silviu-: Theres no such thing as DongleStub, it's some code oddity from the stuff clad|work gave me |
| 20:11.21 | bleetah | asking for a donation |
| 20:11.31 | Shadowed | if you look at PerfectRaid or Clique they both "define" DongleStub |
| 20:11.36 | Kirkburn|afk | What bleetah said |
| 20:11.44 | Kirkburn|afk | Important difference |
| 20:11.49 | bleetah | and it's not really even an advert |
| 20:12.01 | bleetah | more like a polite request for donations if the user feels so inclined |
| 20:12.28 | Bouvi | Yeah I have gotten a few donations when I was really into making Discord UIs. Not much but a few. |
| 20:12.59 | bleetah | it's kinda sweet receiving a donation, even if it just buys a carton of milk, or an icecream... etc. |
| 20:13.13 | Mike-N-Go | Do people really donate =D |
| 20:13.26 | LiquidEnforcer | especially when you put your own time into something and give it away for free |
| 20:13.43 | bleetah | Mike-N-Go: sometimes |
| 20:15.07 | Kaso | See i wouldnt like getting donations, because i'd feel compelled to put effort into the addon, whereas currently i can just give up whenever i get bored |
| 20:15.11 | Bouvi | One guy back when I started gave me $60. I was floored. I get a $5 here and there usually. |
| 20:16.49 | bleetah | Kaso: for other projects I've worked on, I've purposefully thought 'well, this is for *past* work done, as they wouldn't have given if I'd never done that past work.. I'm going for a beer now' ;) |
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| 20:17.09 | Shadowed | I agree with both of you actually :p |
| 20:18.17 | Shadowed | Even if it's for past work they still like and use it enough that they donated money to it, no matter if it's 5$ or 25$ |
| 20:20.06 | bleetah | now, *if* a mod were gunna start asking for donations ingame, nagware dialogs or nagware chatspam, I'd suggest wowi remove it.. but I ain't seen one, so I won't |
| 20:20.22 | Mike-N-Go | Or, 25¢ |
| 20:21.51 | Kaso | RDX is still the only "paid for" mod around correct? |
| 20:21.59 | Mike-N-Go | ~RDX |
| 20:22.01 | purl | RDX (Reverse Distributed Cron-like System) is a set of clients to connect to a server, and identify themselves via a string, and get a job list with schedules. URL: http://www.nobis.com/~ora/CS.tar.gz |
| 20:22.09 | Shadowed | Paid for as in, you must pay to use it yes |
| 20:22.23 | Shadowed | but WoWEcon I guess is free, but you pay for increased features? |
| 20:22.29 | Mike-N-Go | RDS != Reverse Distributed Cron-like System ? |
| 20:23.06 | LiquidEnforcer | My UI r sexy |
| 20:23.08 | LiquidEnforcer | http://www.liquidenforcer.com/downloads/images/WoW/SquishUI-000.jpg |
| 20:23.47 | Kaso | i especially like the two year old's writing all over the screen oh wait thats part of your UI? |
| 20:24.16 | LiquidEnforcer | i am 2... |
| 20:24.18 | Shadowed | weirdest game font ever |
| 20:24.33 | Shadowed | s/game// |
| 20:24.57 | LiquidEnforcer | its the MSBT default font :/ |
| 20:25.32 | LiquidEnforcer | I actually meant that for a diff channel eveeryone was posting their UIs :/ |
| 20:25.34 | Mike-N-Go | Hum, my FuBar things arn't sticking to the bar.. |
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| 20:59.51 | subbot | Bah this DetachedMinimapIcons mod works perfectly, except for the SW Stats icon :( |
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| 21:01.50 | Shadowed | I don't remember saying that |
| 21:04.46 | Kirkburn|afk | Saying what? |
| 21:04.57 | Shadowed | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:05.29 | Kirkburn|afk | "Charlie, we're going to the candy mountain! Charlie! The candy mountain, Charlie! Charlie, we're all going to the candy mountain!" |
| 21:05.36 | Shadowed | ~lart Kirkburn|afk |
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| 21:11.44 | Kirkburn|afk | The word "ow" comes to mind: http://www.influks.com/post877.html |
| 21:14.12 | Legorol | ouch, how can you people even look at stuff like that |
| 21:14.20 | Legorol | now i will be shivering for half an hour |
| 21:14.28 | Shadowed | I read the title, and closed the window |
| 21:14.53 | Legorol | unfortunately the title didn't give me enough warning :( |
| 21:15.11 | LiquidEnforcer | I wish more stupid people would try stupid stunts |
| 21:15.15 | zenzelezz | basic rules of IRC, don't open links that come with descriptions such as "ow" |
| 21:15.30 | LiquidEnforcer | It only goes to reason there would bee less stupid people |
| 21:15.50 | Shadowed | If we killed all the stupid people we'd need to set a new level of stupid people, and eventually we'd end up killing everyone |
| 21:16.18 | LiquidEnforcer | Who said kill all stupid people? |
| 21:17.12 | subbot | now prat has two minimap icons ;_; |
| 21:17.30 | Shadowed | instead of one drop down with 50 options, it's two with 25? :p |
| 21:17.33 | subbot | the trouble i go to in order to have a square minimap |
| 21:17.42 | subbot | no, it's two with the exact same options |
| 21:17.50 | subbot | something is borked :\ |
| 21:18.19 | Kirkburn|afk | Legorol, what you should do is watch http://www.influks.com/post874.html ... stupid little 'gangsta' 12 year olds fighting each other. Much fun :P |
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| 21:18.47 | Kirkburn|afk | I must say, I'm glad I grew up with the people I did. |
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| 21:19.50 | Legorol | Kirkburn|afk: is it scary/violent/bloody? |
| 21:19.56 | Legorol | if so i'd rather avoid it |
| 21:20.06 | Kirkburn|afk | Violent, yes. So fair enough. |
| 21:20.13 | Shadowed | It has the word "Brutal" in the title |
| 21:20.20 | Kirkburn|afk | I'll find you something else :) |
| 21:20.40 | LiquidEnforcer | I would love to personally beat the living shit out of each one of those fags |
| 21:20.45 | Kirkburn|afk | Oh, did you see my George Takei link earlier? |
| 21:21.08 | LiquidEnforcer | Or their parents, thats retarded |
| 21:21.22 | Shadowed | Legorol: http://cisatbloggers.cisat.jmu.edu/teopacsm/photos/CareBear.jpg not violent, but scary |
| 21:21.23 | Kirkburn|afk | If not, this is awesome (and I might suggest you use different words LiquidEnforcer given the link I am about to post) |
| 21:21.23 | Kirkburn|afk | http://www.influks.com/post897.html |
| 21:21.27 | Legorol | i'm afraid that i don't like videos of real life violence |
| 21:21.32 | Legorol | action movie is one thing, i know it's all fake |
| 21:21.49 | Legorol | i also dislike humour based on amusement over others' suffering |
| 21:21.53 | Kirkburn|afk | Legorol, you'll like my last link :) |
| 21:21.56 | Legorol | so jackass is not my TV show ;-) |
| 21:22.12 | Shadowed | I never saw why people like Jackass |
| 21:22.15 | Kirkburn|afk | Mine neither :/ |
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| 21:22.32 | Shadowed | well i know why they like it, but it doesn't make sense |
| 21:22.38 | Legorol | Shadowed: pvp realms and ganking |
| 21:22.40 | Legorol | 'nuff said |
| 21:22.50 | TC_Working | now i do like smileing at other peoples sufferings, but jackass was just retarded |
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| 21:23.21 | Karse | hello? |
| 21:23.28 | Kaso | Hi |
| 21:23.29 | LiquidEnforcer | I thought jackass 2 was better than the first one because there was a little bit more humor than just raw stupidity and pain |
| 21:23.32 | TC_Working | hello Kaso |
| 21:24.33 | TC_Working | err...karse |
| 21:24.33 | Karse | can u help me with a question on WOW macros? |
| 21:24.33 | LiquidEnforcer | the answer is 7 |
| 21:24.33 | Kaso | Perhaps we can, theres only one way to find out |
| 21:24.33 | TC_Working | no, the answer is 42 |
| 21:24.33 | Kirkburn|afk | No, it's 42 you fool. :P |
| 21:24.33 | TC_Working | it's ALWAYS 42 |
| 21:24.37 | Karse | how do i make a macro that will target a position in a group? ie like pos 1 |
| 21:24.39 | Kirkburn|afk | Copycat. :) |
| 21:24.43 | LiquidEnforcer | F1 |
| 21:24.46 | TC_Working | hey....i was first.. |
| 21:24.54 | LiquidEnforcer | F2, F3, F4, F5 |
| 21:25.01 | Karse | with out hitting the F1 key |
| 21:25.02 | Legorol | Karse: there are keybindings for those, but if you want macro, here it is: |
| 21:25.05 | Kaso | if you want to do it in macros you can do /target party1 etc |
| 21:25.06 | Legorol | /target party1 |
| 21:25.08 | Kirkburn|afk | Nuh-uh! Cause like this is Opposites Day! |
| 21:25.36 | LiquidEnforcer | I dunno what your smoking but the answer is always never 42 |
| 21:25.36 | TC_Working | damit Kirkburn, not logic traps |
| 21:25.43 | LiquidEnforcer | Its been proven |
| 21:25.51 | Kirkburn|afk | Yay logic traps =) |
| 21:26.03 | LiquidEnforcer | 1010100001010111010101 |
| 21:26.07 | Legorol | This statement is false. Enough not said. |
| 21:26.24 | LiquidEnforcer | mov eax, false |
| 21:26.28 | Legorol | I'm sure everyone here knows this one already, but just in case: |
| 21:27.10 | Legorol | There are 10 types of people in the world: those that understand binary and those that don't. |
| 21:27.10 | LiquidEnforcer | call printeax |
| 21:27.10 | Kirkburn|afk | Legorol, imagine is we had NHL over here. Violence for every night! Oh wait ... we have football.... |
| 21:27.10 | Karse | testing |
| 21:27.13 | Kirkburn|afk | testing back |
| 21:27.19 | Legorol | your test passed |
| 21:27.40 | Karse | SWEET !!! ty ty ty!!!! |
| 21:27.44 | LiquidEnforcer | Someone please write me an AVL tree |
| 21:27.48 | Kirkburn|afk | Passed what? The pedestrian crossing? Muster? Wind?! |
| 21:27.59 | Karse | thank your very very much |
| 21:28.15 | Kirkburn|afk | LiquidEnforcer, can I draw you one? |
| 21:28.37 | LiquidEnforcer | nope |
| 21:28.41 | Kirkburn|afk | Oh. |
| 21:28.47 | LiquidEnforcer | it needs to be a templated canonical c++ class |
| 21:29.40 | LiquidEnforcer | DONT WORRY, you can derive it form a Binary Search tree |
| 21:30.54 | Kirkburn|afk | Great WoWInsider post about repeated repititions in WoW - http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/02/21/forum-post-of-the-day-the-department-of-wow-redundancy-departme/ |
| 21:31.06 | Kirkburn|afk | "Fade fades from you" |
| 21:32.22 | bleetah | there was a thread yesterday on the wow forum, where that was mentioned. think it was in general 'Engranged crushes becomes enraged' or something |
| 21:32.30 | bleetah | maybe started on the weekend |
| 21:32.31 | Kirkburn|afk | Oh btw, there should be 2.1.0 info by the end of the week |
| 21:32.37 | Kirkburn|afk | And possibly PTRs |
| 21:33.00 | Kirkburn|afk | http://blue.cardplace.com/newcache/forums.worldofwarcraft.com/77594263.htm |
| 21:33.05 | zenzelezz | what sort of 2.1.0 info? |
| 21:33.10 | Kirkburn|afk | Under Dev page |
| 21:33.10 | Shadowed | Kirkburn|afk to be fair |
| 21:33.19 | Kirkburn|afk | I'm never fair. |
| 21:33.20 | Kirkburn|afk | Like now. |
| 21:33.23 | Kirkburn|afk | Ner-ner, too slow. |
| 21:33.27 | Shadowed | If they didn't make it consistant like that, it would be a pain in the ass to do combat log checking |
| 21:33.44 | Kirkburn|afk | And what about characters named "You" :P |
| 21:33.47 | zenzelezz | nevermind that, it would make for extra server-side processing |
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| 21:34.31 | Shadowed | they can't do anything about characters named "You" except prevent the name from being taken |
| 21:34.50 | Kirkburn|afk | I know, but I do enjoy thinking about the problems it causes :P |
| 21:34.58 | Shadowed | infact |
| 21:35.03 | TC_Working | Klaatu barada nikto! |
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| 21:35.04 | Shadowed | i'm suprised they let you create a character named You |
| 21:35.17 | Kirkburn|afk | "Invite Me!" |
| 21:35.31 | Kirkburn|afk | "No, invite You!" |
| 21:35.38 | Kirkburn|afk | "Actually, invite Us." |
| 21:36.13 | Kirkburn|afk | Basically they'd need to ban every pronoun |
| 21:36.26 | Shadowed | I'd be fine with that :p |
| 21:36.37 | zenzelezz | I know there is an Everyone on my server |
| 21:36.51 | Bouvi | You have killed You |
| 21:37.03 | Bouvi | You have killed Everyone |
| 21:37.06 | Kirkburn|afk | You have killed Me |
| 21:37.09 | Shadowed | has he done "Everyone hates you" yet zenzelezz? |
| 21:37.22 | zenzelezz | Everyone has won <epix> |
| 21:37.32 | Karse | hello again |
| 21:37.42 | Kirkburn|afk | hello again |
| 21:37.44 | LiquidEnforcer | I like "You were killed by God" |
| 21:38.20 | Karse | that target party1 sould target the frist peron inmy group right with out me have to click on them |
| 21:38.34 | Shadowed | correct Karse |
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| 21:38.56 | Karse | ok it should look like this /target party1 |
| 21:39.11 | Shadowed | yep |
| 21:41.00 | Karse | ok one last question |
| 21:41.23 | TC_Working | King illegal forest to pig wild kill in it a is! |
| 21:42.05 | Karse | how do i use the maco to say different suff with button push... ie [button:1] = hello / [Button:2] = goodby |
| 21:43.54 | Karse | can that be done? |
| 21:43.59 | Kirkburn|afk | TC_Working, about hell what talking you banana? |
| 21:44.17 | TC_Working | dont you know what thats from? |
| 21:44.37 | Kirkburn|afk | Yes, I do :) |
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| 21:44.56 | Kirkburn|afk | You have also just chosen my film for tonight. Thank you :) |
| 21:45.04 | TC_Working | heh |
| 21:45.18 | TC_Working | hmm...that does sound good |
| 21:45.39 | Kirkburn|afk | Think about what you just said. |
| 21:46.01 | Kirkburn|afk | (the subtitle) |
| 21:46.02 | TC_Working | that that movie sounds good? |
| 21:46.35 | TC_Working | well if they are belfs........... |
| 21:47.14 | Kirkburn|afk | "Every time they make a Robin Hood movie, they burn our village down!" |
| 21:48.36 | TC_Working | well they have only made about...3...maybe 4 robbin hood movies |
| 21:53.31 | Karse | hay shadowed can i ask one more question of u please |
| 21:56.39 | Cide | ask the channel |
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| 22:00.34 | Karse | how do i get a mouse button to say different stuff please |
| 22:00.55 | Karse | ie button 1 = hello and button 2 = good by |
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| 22:02.36 | Corrodias | it depends on the context. are you talking about macros? buttons? |
| 22:04.38 | Shadowed | Hrm, can we not remove flags from a font once it's created like OUTLINE? |
| 22:04.46 | Karse | macro attack to a button command IE /cast [Button:1] cast water / use[button:2] drink water and then i would like it to say i am drink water on the button:2 click but not on the button:1 click |
| 22:05.20 | Shadowed | nevermind! now it decides to work |
| 22:06.02 | JoshBorke | Karse: you can't |
| 22:06.10 | JoshBorke | wait, you can |
| 22:06.15 | Karse | how please |
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| 22:06.40 | JoshBorke | sorry. /cast [Button:1] Conjure Water /stopmacro [Button:1] /use [Button:2] Conjured Water |
| 22:06.42 | JoshBorke | or something like that |
| 22:07.07 | foxlit | Meh, I need more vertical space on a form where there is none :( |
| 22:07.26 | foxlit | s/form/frame/ |
| 22:08.10 | Karse | ty |
| 22:09.13 | Kirkburn|afk | Shadowed, I heard that if you make the font alternately bright pink and lime green, WoW will turn your character into the outline of a flag. Does that help? |
| 22:10.02 | Guillotine | hmm. I seem to remember some addon (think it was party quests) showing a 'quest id' for each quest. Where is that coming from? Can't find anything about a quest id on wowwiki and it would greatly help with not having to localize an addon |
| 22:10.06 | Guillotine | and with quests that share the same name |
| 22:10.46 | Kirkburn|afk | That's how database sites deal with them, no? |
| 22:11.12 | foxlit | Those probably datamine them from cache |
| 22:11.22 | foxlit | Which isn't exactly something you can use for localization :( |
| 22:11.39 | JoshBorke | i bet it's in Quixote |
| 22:11.45 | JoshBorke | or whatever QuestFu uses to share quest info |
| 22:12.38 | Guillotine | also, each site (at least wowhead and thottbot) seems to have different ids for the same quest |
| 22:13.27 | Shadowed | Kirkburn|afk: yes |
| 22:13.39 | JoshBorke | meh, i dunno |
| 22:13.39 | Kirkburn|afk | Good. |
| 22:13.41 | Shadowed | Guillotine: Thottbot uses screwed up id's |
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| 22:13.54 | Shadowed | every other site should match in the ids used |
| 22:13.56 | Guillotine | ah, I see. TBC id's are screwed up (negatives) on thottbot |
| 22:14.00 | JoshBorke | purl, hug Cairenn |
| 22:14.09 | purl | ACTION gets a running start and tackle-hugs Cairenn |
| 22:14.11 | Guillotine | hmm. so are these id's datamined? |
| 22:14.16 | Shadowed | pretty sure |
| 22:14.39 | Industrial | Need shum help with metatables. I missed something :| you may laugh http://pastey.net/6988 |
| 22:14.40 | Shadowed | theres a discussion on the wiki regarding thottbot ids actually, http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=WoWWiki:Templates/Elinks_Templates_Standardization |
| 22:14.43 | Industrial | I did prototype:construct because I dont know how to else pass self to it. |
| 22:15.23 | Kirkburn|afk | Quests don't appear to be a problem |
| 22:15.35 | JoshBorke | erm, industrial, what's going on there? |
| 22:16.18 | Kirkburn|afk | Quest ids are the same on all databases (apparently) |
| 22:16.20 | JoshBorke | you can do: function prototype.construct(self) blah end |
| 22:16.43 | Guillotine | Kirkburn: not all. search for "a bad egg" on thott and wowhead |
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| 22:17.01 | Industrial | I can make a prototype easily without defining a :new() method now, and supply a constructor, JoshBorke |
| 22:17.19 | Industrial | its just play, though |
| 22:17.24 | Kirkburn|afk | Interesting, I'll bring that up on the wiki |
| 22:17.38 | Shadowed | Guillotine: http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=10806 http://thottbot.com/?qu=10806 |
| 22:17.45 | Shadowed | quest ids match for that |
| 22:17.58 | Guillotine | right. they match for some, but don't for others |
| 22:18.18 | Shadowed | What about on allakhazam? |
| 22:18.26 | Guillotine | but the fact that they sometimes match means they come from somewhere. My question is whether that is datamined or if I'm missing an API command |
| 22:18.49 | JoshBorke | Industrial: sounds like you're over my head :-P good luck |
| 22:20.54 | foxlit | "but the fact that they sometimes match means they come from somewhere." The fact that they sometimes match means it's random |
| 22:21.14 | Shadowed | Not really |
| 22:21.29 | foxlit | Yarly :) |
| 22:21.34 | Guillotine | if it was random, they wouldn't match >60% of the time |
| 22:21.37 | Shadowed | exactly |
| 22:21.45 | Guillotine | and alla and wowhead ALWAYS match |
| 22:21.49 | foxlit | If they sometimes match and sometimes don't match, you're simply in luck. |
| 22:21.50 | Guillotine | its just thott that seems to be slightly off |
| 22:22.06 | Shadowed | My guess is it's related to the fact that thottbot uses invalid item ids too |
| 22:22.09 | Guillotine | right |
| 22:22.31 | Guillotine | it just uses a different method of getting ids |
| 22:22.33 | zenzelezz | wouldn't call them invalid, just not corresponding to in-game IDs |
| 22:22.45 | Guillotine | right |
| 22:22.51 | Guillotine | but are there in-game IDs for quests? |
| 22:22.55 | Shadowed | they ARE invalid |
| 22:22.58 | Guillotine | at least ones that are available through an addon and not datamining |
| 22:22.59 | Shadowed | they're just ids not item ids |
| 22:23.21 | zenzelezz | exactly |
| 22:23.27 | zenzelezz | if they were item IDs they'd be invalid |
| 22:23.30 | zenzelezz | but they're not |
| 22:23.34 | foxlit | Not quite. |
| 22:23.55 | Kirkburn|afk | What? |
| 22:23.58 | foxlit | They're item ids since there are conflicting quest ids, for example, they simply aren't wow's item ids. |
| 22:24.08 | Shadowed | But in the case of the wiki, having alla/wowhead using the itemid's and thottbot using they're one causes issues |
| 22:26.14 | Shadowed | they're own that is |
| 22:27.59 | Guillotine | well, I know PartyQuests *used to* show quest ID in-game. Trying to figure out if thats an undocumented API command or if it was just removed |
| 22:28.12 | Guillotine | or if it wasn't the official ID and was just generated from a cache of the quest text |
| 22:29.18 | Shadowed | Guillotine can't you just check archives of PartyQuest? |
| 22:29.35 | Guillotine | Yes, but I don't remember when it was put in or when it was taken out :/ |
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| 22:32.58 | cogwheel|work | Did anyone here watch PBS much about 15 years ago? I'm trying to get the name of an animated series that used to run which taught physics (work, leverage, force, stuff like that)... The animation looked kind of like the BC comic strip and it was mostly just narrated with the character acting out whatever the voice over was talking about... (sorry i can't be more helpful than that...) |
| 22:34.15 | TC_Working | Dr. Quantum? |
| 22:34.29 | cogwheel|work | no... |
| 22:35.15 | cogwheel|work | it was hand animated... |
| 22:35.39 | cogwheel|work | probably made in the 70s or something... but It aired when I was 8 or so... |
| 22:36.09 | Tierrie|Work | The Electric Company> |
| 22:37.43 | Guillotine | I remember that too, but don't remember the name >< |
| 22:37.44 | TC_Working | that was for reading |
| 22:38.07 | cogwheel|work | oh... i remember it started with "The story so far..." |
| 22:38.11 | TC_Working | 3-2-1 Contact |
| 22:38.15 | TC_Working | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3-2-1_Contact |
| 22:38.19 | cogwheel|work | contact wasn't animated |
| 22:38.36 | TC_Working | well look through here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Broadcasting_Service |
| 22:39.25 | TC_Working | or http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/early90spbs/ |
| 22:40.30 | cogwheel|work | :P |
| 22:40.40 | Guillotine | now its stuck in my head :( |
| 22:40.53 | cogwheel|work | thankfully I don't know what that's from... |
| 22:40.57 | Cairenn | o.O |
| 22:41.10 | Guillotine | cogwheel: Schoolhouse Rock? |
| 22:41.30 | cogwheel|work | never seen it... though that's what my wife was talking about when I asked her about what I'm thinking of... |
| 22:41.31 | Guillotine | its kind of like what you're saying, but I don't remember it being on pbs |
| 22:41.42 | cogwheel|work | s/was talking about/suggested/ |
| 22:43.08 | Cairenn | cogwheel|work: http://www.jacksheldon.com/school.htm |
| 22:44.17 | Cairenn | It really wouldn't surprise me if you're thinking of Jack Sheldon's work |
| 22:44.25 | Cairenn | click the link |
| 22:44.44 | Cairenn | "We're sure you remember those cute little clips between ABC-TV shows on Saturday mornings called SCHOOL HOUSE ROCK It was originally run in the seventies and just recently revived. The clips were designed by the co-owner of an advertising agency to help his son overcome school difficulties in a new and fun way. Kids (and adults) everywhere have fallen in love with the clever cartoons and the wonderful jazz-y soundtracks." |
| 22:45.23 | Cairenn | you don't have to listen to, or watch, the clip unless you choose, but you can see the types of graphics he used, etc |
| 22:46.30 | cogwheel|work | No.. i think what I'm thinking of would've been more boring than any of that... there wasn't any singing, that's for sure :P |
| 22:46.41 | cogwheel|work | s/boring/boring to most people/ |
| 22:47.15 | Cairenn | Okay |
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| 22:54.04 | Guillotine | BWAHAHAHA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ouW5ACy8HM |
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| 23:01.10 | Shadowed | Guillotine wow |
| 23:01.48 | Guillotine | saturday night live ftw |
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| 23:19.12 | rjaym | anyone know a quick/easy way to find out the path of an icon that you're mousing over |
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| 23:32.28 | Kemayo | Kirkburn / Guillotine: There isn't any way in-game to get the internal quest id that I know of. If you're doing a quest addon you have to work with the quest log id, which is somewhat fluid. |
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| 23:33.28 | Kemayo | The only place I've see internal ids used which I'm fairly sure are accurate are on the blizzard stats page, if you check the javascript data files for an individual day. And then there's no way to really use them in-game... |
| 23:36.21 | bleetah | clad|work: nice writeup on the 2.1 memory/GC. thanks for that. |
| 23:39.45 | Guillotine | Kemayo: the quest log id changes quite often though |
| 23:40.03 | Guillotine | and my idea was to store quests in the database based on id instead of name so that it would work across localizations |
| 23:40.22 | Guillotine | as well as working with multiple quests with the same name |
| 23:42.45 | Tierrie|Work | has anyone been to Alaska? |
| 23:42.51 | Tierrie|Work | i kind of want to just go and visit alaska |
| 23:46.52 | TC_Working | any particular reason? |
| 23:51.47 | Tierrie|Work | not really |
| 23:51.51 | Tierrie|Work | maybe the long daylight |
| 23:52.05 | Tierrie|Work | basically i saw it on dave attell's insomniac and liked what i saw |
| 23:55.44 | TC_Working | springs not a bad time to go |
| 23:56.21 | pastamancer | it's not like that at all. Alaska is filled with vicious flesh-eating eskimos and rabit polar squirrels |
| 23:57.08 | pastamancer | it is really pretty though |
| 23:57.18 | TC_Working | all he has to do is bring the holy hand grenade of antioch with him and he will be fine |
