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| 00:04.29 | Tierrie|Work | you guys are dorks |
| 00:04.39 | Tierrie|Work | also the most boring state i was in is nebraska |
| 00:04.45 | Tierrie|Work | hey can i enter the church of the mormons? |
| 00:04.50 | Tierrie|Work | because i might just want to visit utah again |
| 00:04.54 | TC_Working | YES! I AM THE WHALE PENIS OF SARCASIM |
| 00:05.09 | Tierrie|Work | there's lots of whales in alaskan waters |
| 00:05.18 | Tierrie|Work | so it stands to reason about half of them have penis |
| 00:05.35 | Tierrie|Work | not sure how many of them are sarcastic though |
| 00:06.27 | TC_Working | none, i am the only one |
| 00:10.03 | Tierrie|Work | You know its kind of nice being single |
| 00:10.17 | Tierrie|Work | when an earthquake hits you think "yay day off monotony of work" |
| 00:10.25 | Tierrie|Work | if you're married you think "I wonder how my mistress is doing" |
| 00:11.01 | Guillotine | great, the first time in forever that I have a question, I can't log on to the WoW forums to post it on the UI boards :/ |
| 00:11.48 | Tierrie|Work | ask me |
| 00:11.55 | Tierrie|Work | 42 |
| 00:11.59 | Tierrie|Work | next question |
| 00:12.02 | Tierrie|Work | 42 again |
| 00:12.10 | zenzelezz | what's your IQ? |
| 00:12.48 | Tierrie|Work | 180 on cattell's culture fair |
| 00:13.08 | zenzelezz | see, you just ruined your own joke about the answer to everything being 42 |
| 00:13.13 | zenzelezz | pride > humor |
| 00:13.36 | Tierrie|Work | whats the size of your wang in milimeters? |
| 00:13.41 | Tierrie|Work | omg 42x42x42 |
| 00:13.45 | Tierrie|Work | wait |
| 00:13.50 | zenzelezz | unlike you I'm not into the "42" thing |
| 00:14.36 | TC_Working | was she to old for you? |
| 00:19.21 | TC_Working | boo @ not getting my joke |
| 00:20.12 | zenzelezz | I got it, it's just not my kind of joke |
| 00:20.58 | TC_Working | boo @ lack of sense of humor |
| 00:21.15 | zenzelezz | that's a valid point |
| 00:21.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | your mom's a valid point |
| 00:22.25 | zenzelezz | I'm afraid the "your mom" phenomenon isn't very big over here |
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| 00:22.45 | cogwheel|work | your mom's a phenomenon |
| 00:22.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | zing |
| 00:22.51 | cogwheel|work | sry... couldn't resist |
| 00:23.05 | TC_Working | yes you could have |
| 00:23.08 | cogwheel|work | I think that's the first time i've ever done a "your mom" thing... |
| 00:23.08 | TC_Working | bastard... |
| 00:23.16 | kaiden | Anyone know any addons that conflict with ClearFont as in stop it's ability to change the chatframe fonts? |
| 00:24.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | someones a grumpy gus |
| 00:24.46 | zenzelezz | no, just dull |
| 00:24.51 | TC_Working | i *hate* gus |
| 00:29.11 | Tem | so like, I just picked up my copy of Supreme Commander |
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| 00:30.35 | TC_Working | have you played it yet? |
| 00:30.59 | Tem | I played the demo the other day |
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| 00:31.11 | Tem | but I haven't yet played the full game |
| 00:31.34 | kergoth | oh, its out? |
| 00:31.37 | kergoth | damn, i'm outta the loop |
| 00:32.00 | TC_Working | hmm..8.7 from gamespot |
| 00:32.13 | Tem | kergoth, it came out yesterday |
| 00:32.37 | TC_Working | they is correct though, i played the beta and it turned my system into silly putty |
| 00:32.37 | Tem | I remembered that I had 55 bucks in best buy gift cards this afternoon so I figured I'd give it a shot |
| 00:32.48 | TC_Working | ...so did LoTRO.... |
| 00:32.53 | Tem | silly putty? |
| 00:32.56 | TC_Working | it's time for an update! |
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| 00:33.10 | TC_Working | yes.... |
| 00:33.13 | Tem | I have a relatively new machine, and I had to turn graphics settings all the way down |
| 00:33.35 | TC_Working | whats relative? |
| 00:33.43 | Tem | I just bought it a month ago |
| 00:33.51 | TC_Working | hmm... |
| 00:33.54 | Tem | but wasn't going for a middle of the road machine |
| 00:34.01 | Tem | er, wasn't going for a "top of the line" |
| 00:34.18 | TC_Working | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:34.18 | TC_Working | RAM: 1024 MB |
| 00:34.18 | TC_Working | Video Memory: 256 MB |
| 00:34.18 | TC_Working | Other: Internet connection with Cable/DSL speeds |
| 00:34.23 | TC_Working | thats recomened |
| 00:34.51 | Tem | I have 2 GB ram, core 2 duo 2.6ghz |
| 00:34.59 | Tem | 512 video memory |
| 00:35.09 | TC_Working | and youj still had to drop it down? |
| 00:35.20 | Tem | mmhmm |
| 00:35.35 | TC_Working | what was your FPS with the graphics maxed out? |
| 00:35.40 | Tem | dunno |
| 00:35.43 | Tem | not good at all |
| 00:35.48 | Tem | probably in the low teens |
| 00:36.04 | Tem | however, This was on the first level of the demo |
| 00:36.06 | TC_Working | not good |
| 00:36.12 | Kemayo | Guillotine: The problem with that approach is that you have to distribute a database of every single quest in the game. Which, let's face it, is a bit of a task. |
| 00:36.25 | Tem | on the other levels and on the one skirmish that I played, I had no issues at all |
| 00:36.30 | Kirkburn|afk | The amount of video memory means little as long as you have the recommended amount |
| 00:36.33 | Kirkburn|afk | What gfx card? |
| 00:36.43 | Tem | GeForce 7900gs |
| 00:36.51 | Guillotine | Kemayo: well, I have to do that anyway. I'm putting down coordinates for every outlands quest so that people don't have to check thottbot/wowhead |
| 00:36.59 | Kirkburn|afk | Wow, sounds like my PC would barely manage 1 fps |
| 00:37.09 | Guillotine | and I've decided to do it based purely on name. screw those multiple quests with the same name :P |
| 00:37.23 | TC_Working | me to kirk |
| 00:37.27 | Tem | oh, no I'm sorry |
| 00:37.37 | Tem | I've only got 256 video memory |
| 00:37.40 | Tem | but still |
| 00:37.53 | Kirkburn|afk | Um, well, here's hoping you have more luck with the final game |
| 00:38.14 | Kirkburn|afk | I'm off to bed, g'night all |
| 00:38.19 | Tem | my whole machine is ready for a second video card |
| 00:38.23 | Tem | sli-style |
| 00:38.26 | TC_Working | night kirk |
| 00:38.32 | Tem | so if I really need it, I can |
| 00:38.48 | TC_Working | i am going to start with the 8800GTX then prolly SLI it at some point |
| 00:46.35 | kahdgarxi | anyone know of an addon designed for tracking raid cooldowns (such ad DI, SS, Innervate, etc)? |
| 00:47.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | oRA does, i'm pretty sure |
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| 01:08.48 | clad|work | Shadowed: What did you do |
| 01:08.54 | clad|work | did you not use a trunk version of dongle? =) |
| 01:08.58 | clad|work | ractual =) |
| 01:11.53 | Shadowed | clad|work: I used the link you gave me from the google groups |
| 01:12.12 | clad|work | i didn't give ya one |
| 01:12.13 | clad|work | =) |
| 01:12.26 | clad|work | http://dongle.googlecode.com/svn/tags |
| 01:12.27 | clad|work | pick one of those |
| 01:12.31 | clad|work | the latest obviously |
| 01:12.33 | clad|work | and use it =) |
| 01:12.49 | clad|work | DongleStub is built into all the libraries, to provide single file libraries. |
| 01:13.00 | clad|work | its done througha build script |
| 01:13.04 | cladhaire | when we tag |
| 01:13.10 | Shadowed | ahhh |
| 01:15.14 | Shadowed | you did give me the link, but I misunderstood what you said :p |
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| 01:18.12 | Shadowed | damn people trying to fix stuff themselfs and asking why it doesn't work then though |
| 01:21.40 | Corrodias | i fix stuff myself and make it work, or live with what i get |
| 01:22.01 | cladhaire | =) |
| 01:22.30 | Corrodias | i break questsfu's escape-to-close-the-details-pane feature so that i can reliably use escape to untarget |
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| 01:22.37 | Corrodias | i can live with having to click "close" |
| 01:22.56 | Corrodias | i break cartographer's note-receiving function because it can't be toggled. it's not so bad. |
| 01:23.14 | JoshBorke | if (true) then return end |
| 01:23.18 | Corrodias | i'm not bad at breaking stuff |
| 01:23.24 | Corrodias | Josh knows |
| 01:23.53 | Corrodias | strange that i can't just use "return", but apparently the lua interpreter thinks i must have made a mistake |
| 01:24.19 | cladhaire | Corrodias: return HAS to be the last statement in a block |
| 01:27.53 | JoshBorke | yea, but why? |
| 01:28.03 | JoshBorke | does it make compilation easier? |
| 01:28.53 | cladhaire | i assume it must |
| 01:29.00 | cladhaire | you can just do return end tho |
| 01:29.08 | JoshBorke | ooo, that would be way better |
| 01:29.17 | JoshBorke | since it won't have to worry about figuring out if it actually has to branch |
| 01:29.23 | cladhaire | aye |
| 01:29.43 | JoshBorke | <3 cladhaire's brain |
| 01:29.52 | cladhaire | lolzwea |
| 01:31.36 | Corrodias | do return end! i love it! |
| 01:32.12 | cladhaire | hehe |
| 01:32.16 | cladhaire | thats what i 'm here for |
| 01:32.23 | cladhaire | well, that and the secks |
| 01:37.21 | TC_Working | well if your only there for those 2 things i guess that would explain the english |
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| 01:43.01 | cladhaire | =) |
| 01:43.17 | JoshBorke | purl, hug Cairenn |
| 01:43.19 | purl | ACTION sneaks up on Cairenn and suddenly hugs Cairenn tightly |
| 01:43.23 | JoshBorke | purl, poke cladhaire |
| 01:43.24 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind cladhaire, pokes cladhaire repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 01:43.26 | Cairenn | purl, hug JoshBorke |
| 01:43.28 | purl | ACTION sneaks up on JoshBorke and suddenly hugs JoshBorke tightly |
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| 01:48.46 | Wobin | love... love is a verb |
| 01:48.54 | Wobin | love is a doing word |
| 01:49.00 | Wobin | fearless on my breath |
| 01:49.27 | Mike-N-Go | ~dict love |
| 01:49.49 | Wobin | hah |
| 01:49.50 | Wobin | see? |
| 01:49.52 | Wobin | verb |
| 01:50.15 | Wobin | Massive Attack did not steer you wrong =P |
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| 01:52.59 | Mike-N-Go | That is incomplete, it continues as: ...all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it; Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. |
| 01:55.22 | Wobin | pity that one never works out =P |
| 01:55.38 | xgravix|laptop | i love my neighbor like i love the warts on my ass |
| 01:56.37 | Wobin | well if you consider the warts on your arse as thyself, then you fufill all criteria |
| 01:57.04 | xgravix|laptop | so i can be a jackass and holy at the same time |
| 01:57.06 | xgravix|laptop | bwahahahahhahaa |
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| 01:58.36 | Karse | hello |
| 01:58.39 | Wobin | well as long as you don't go after your neighbour with that freezing spray the doctors use to take out warts, you should be fine |
| 01:59.18 | Karse | how do i send a message to the middle of the screen from a macro? |
| 02:00.22 | Karse | can it be done from a macro? |
| 02:00.23 | Wobin | use the raidwarning frame? |
| 02:00.42 | Karse | can u use that inaparty? |
| 02:00.47 | xgravix|laptop | type your message. |
| 02:00.48 | Wobin | I imagine so |
| 02:00.58 | xgravix|laptop | i will post it to your screen |
| 02:01.01 | Karse | what is the cammand to do so? |
| 02:01.26 | Wobin | Frame:AddMessage |
| 02:01.32 | Wobin | You'll have to find the proper frame name |
| 02:01.54 | Wobin | then call /script FrameName:AddMessage("something or other, have a look at wowwiki for the arguement") |
| 02:01.55 | Karse | where would i look for that/ |
| 02:02.06 | Wobin | ~framexml |
| 02:02.08 | purl | get the official Blizzard Interface AddOn Kit here: http://www.blizzard.com/support/wow/?id=aww01671p |
| 02:02.13 | Wobin | in there |
| 02:02.15 | Wobin | and in wowwiki |
| 02:03.22 | Wobin | I -think- it's AddMessage, but have a look at the api on wowwiki |
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| 02:06.38 | Karse | ok looking |
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| 02:12.52 | Wobin | http://www.nevadaappeal.com/article/20070126/NEWS/101260101 |
| 02:12.55 | Wobin | >< |
| 02:13.05 | Wobin | David eddings is teh dumb =P |
| 02:14.24 | thr | What are the different secure temaplates? |
| 02:14.28 | thr | Are there any list anywhere? |
| 02:16.14 | Wobin | thr: not really |
| 02:16.27 | Wobin | There's a couple of tutorials in Wowwiki somewhat hidden in the Stubs |
| 02:16.29 | Wobin | and ... |
| 02:16.34 | Wobin | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=50956831&sid=1 |
| 02:16.39 | Wobin | which is -really- useful |
| 02:16.42 | thr | if I just want a frame to be able to use TargetUnit("target") can I use any secure template? |
| 02:16.57 | Wobin | Not sure |
| 02:17.01 | Wobin | I'm still new to secureframes |
| 02:24.17 | thr | Anyone that can help me with this? I just want a frame that is allowed to execute TargetUnit("target") and FocusUnit("target") on an event. |
| 02:26.44 | Cide | you can't do that |
| 02:27.16 | thr | Hm ok? ;< |
| 02:27.58 | Cide | unless there's a secure state driver that can do it for you |
| 02:28.20 | thr | Ok and i guess there isn't one? |
| 02:28.33 | Cide | "on an event" is fairly vague |
| 02:28.42 | Cide | so be more specific |
| 02:28.52 | thr | on the PLAYER_TARGET_CHANGED event |
| 02:29.05 | Cide | no |
| 02:29.12 | Cide | you can't do that |
| 02:29.29 | thr | meh, that blows =/ |
| 02:30.09 | thr | but wait |
| 02:30.13 | thr | I can execute macros, can't i?` |
| 02:30.53 | thr | But maybe that's only from buttons |
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| 02:31.51 | Cide | you can't change target or focus based on an event, period |
| 02:31.59 | thr | ok. |
| 02:32.00 | thr | damn =7 |
| 02:32.20 | thr | I was going to rip the dual-target functionallity from vanguard |
| 02:32.25 | thr | damn ;( |
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| 02:50.29 | thr | Ok, is there any way to focus on your current target IF it's hostile thru an addon then? |
| 02:50.47 | thr | (on a button press from say an action bar that executes a macro that says /script if-target-is-hostile-focus) |
| 02:52.44 | Neuro_Medivh | if you're pushing a button anyway, why do you need the macro? |
| 02:52.47 | Neuro_Medivh | er, the addon |
| 02:52.49 | Cide | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=71623687&sid=1 |
| 02:53.34 | thr | ye just realised you can do that thru [noharm] ;p |
| 02:54.07 | Neuro_Medivh | you mean [harm] |
| 02:54.16 | Neuro_Medivh | noharm will set it to focus if it's NOT hostile |
| 02:54.40 | thr | ye well i just phrased my question wierd, i wanted noharm ;P |
| 02:54.52 | Neuro_Medivh | keep in mind there is a distinct difference between [noharm] and [help] |
| 02:55.08 | thr | ye |
| 02:55.10 | Neuro_Medivh | because there are three types of targets |
| 02:55.36 | Neuro_Medivh | those you can help, those you can harm, and those you can't do either (which includes when you have no target at all) |
| 02:56.41 | thr | Neuro_Medivh; btw is there any macro command for targeting last hostile target? |
| 02:57.01 | thr | i thought it was /targetlastenemey but it doesn't seem to function properly, maybe i'm just to tired or something |
| 02:57.07 | Neuro_Medivh | there's /targetlasttarget |
| 02:57.12 | Neuro_Medivh | not lastenemy |
| 02:57.22 | thr | hm ok, i want lastenemy specificly, but ok |
| 03:02.37 | thr | ok i "kinda" got the functionality i wanted out of it it in the end |
| 03:02.45 | thr | thru macros, but still.. meh ;< silly blizzard ;( |
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| 03:20.48 | Seracht | hi |
| 03:20.51 | Seracht | quick question about bongos |
| 03:20.59 | Seracht | when I transform to cat form...it doesn't change my bars |
| 03:21.03 | Seracht | anyone know whats up with that |
| 03:21.13 | kahdgarxi | there's a page for it in the options window |
| 03:21.23 | Arrowmaster | Seracht: what level are you? |
| 03:22.49 | Seracht | 20 |
| 03:22.56 | Seracht | kahdgarxi yes its default |
| 03:23.02 | Seracht | also I didn't get my seal form...does that matter? |
| 03:23.04 | Seracht | I think not |
| 03:25.48 | Seracht | oh man |
| 03:25.50 | Seracht | this sucks :( |
| 03:25.57 | Arrowmaster | yes it does matter |
| 03:26.22 | Seracht | Arrowmaster so I need to get sealform? |
| 03:27.08 | Arrowmaster | that will fix it |
| 03:27.40 | Arrowmaster | i know bartender3 has a way to make cat form work without sealform not sure if bongos has that |
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| 03:32.33 | Seracht | you are sure right Arrowmaster? |
| 03:35.57 | Karrion | I imagine not having sealform would throw out the stance numbers |
| 03:36.09 | Neuro_Medivh | it does |
| 03:36.24 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 03:37.00 | Seracht | so how would I Switch it then |
| 03:37.07 | Seracht | I cannot switch the buttons in there |
| 03:38.08 | Seracht | er cannot move the buttons in there |
| 03:38.08 | Arrowmaster | get sealform |
| 03:38.14 | Seracht | ya I am doing that lol |
| 03:38.21 | Seracht | <--- nub who was busy enjoying ghostlands |
| 03:38.24 | Seracht | and forgot about seal form lol |
| 03:38.35 | Arrowmaster | when you get it, it will get put between bear and cat |
| 03:39.40 | Seracht | ah ok |
| 03:42.02 | thr | Is it possible to make a secureunitbutton that BOTH targets a unit and casts a spell? |
| 03:48.19 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 03:50.02 | Arrowmaster | but since you can cast a spell from a button and have it be cast on a unit other than your target, you shouldnt have to target |
| 03:51.24 | thr | http://wowi.pastey.net/7008 |
| 03:51.32 | thr | why wont that work for a secure action button bound to button "-" ? |
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| 03:55.37 | mahiro | hi |
| 03:56.01 | mahiro | have a problem again^^ |
| 03:57.00 | mahiro | i use this texture for the background of the frames (hard to see but there is a white border around it which i use to recolor the background border wohoo http://img409.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bgci8.jpg |
| 03:57.55 | mahiro | and ingame one edge of it is missing... http://img409.imageshack.us/my.php?image=offsetto3.jpg |
| 03:58.19 | mahiro | someone has a tip for me how i can fix that? |
| 04:02.41 | Karrion | thr: you might need to RegisterForClicks()? does it work if you show the frame and manually click on it? |
| 04:04.36 | Bejitt- | >.> |
| 04:04.59 | Bejitt- | wtb python syntax |
| 04:07.03 | Nom- | http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a66/klipsolaggy/pallytrinket.jpg <-- lol |
| 04:07.26 | Nom- | Can you actually make that visible in game? I so want to start passing that link around lol |
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| 04:11.42 | TC-blorb | heh |
| 04:15.18 | mahiro | anybody has an idea how to fix that texture problem? |
| 04:16.49 | Nom- | Which texture problem? |
| 04:17.21 | Seracht | um |
| 04:17.24 | Seracht | it didn't fix it |
| 04:17.49 | Seracht | wait it did |
| 04:17.50 | Seracht | thanks :) |
| 04:18.19 | mahiro | i use this texture for the background of the frames (hard to see but there is a white border around it which i use to recolor the background border wohoo http://img409.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bgci8.jpg |
| 04:18.20 | mahiro | 05:03 - mahiro: and ingame one edge of it is missing... http://img409.imageshack.us/my.php?image=offsetto3.jpg |
| 04:18.39 | mahiro | that texture problem... |
| 04:25.03 | mahiro | hmm |
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| 04:30.18 | Mike-N-Go | heh, I have an idea. Whenever you change zones, your desktop background would change to a screen shot you chose for that zone. |
| 04:30.50 | Mike-N-Go | I am on Mac OS X, can this be done? Or is it to hard to pass information from inside of WoW outside? |
| 04:31.52 | Arrowmaster | not hard, impossible |
| 04:32.19 | Mike-N-Go | Oh, all the more encouragement to me! |
| 04:32.38 | Mike-N-Go | Do you think it could have been done, pre 2.0? |
| 04:33.01 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 04:34.41 | TC-blorb | well it can be done, but it would require a 3rd party program |
| 04:34.59 | Mike-N-Go | Well, I guess I could just change it manually :) |
| 04:35.11 | TC-blorb | and i think it would be legal |
| 04:35.17 | Arrowmaster | which would require doing stuff highly likely to get your account permabaned |
| 04:35.43 | Mike-N-Go | But it sounds so fun to write a few 100s of lines of code, to do something that takes 5 mouse clicks :) |
| 04:35.51 | TC-blorb | no, a mod that trigers a visual cue on zone change that another program would pick up on |
| 04:36.11 | Mike-N-Go | Or, an audio que? |
| 04:36.19 | TC-blorb | that to |
| 04:36.30 | Mike-N-Go | Where a sound file will play, and it searches for that sound? |
| 04:36.39 | Arrowmaster | you mean another program thats hooking wow looking for something to happen? |
| 04:36.43 | Arrowmaster | yes that gets you baned |
| 04:36.51 | Mike-N-Go | Through the hardware? |
| 04:37.02 | Mike-N-Go | Well, it does not do anything to inside the game? |
| 04:37.24 | TC-blorb | hmm..so your saying all of the mods that allow you to controll winamp from in agme are illigal? |
| 04:37.43 | Arrowmaster | TC-blorb: those mods dont work anymore afaik |
| 04:37.50 | TC-blorb | oh |
| 04:37.55 | Mike-N-Go | I know not of this winamp, I think that be on windows, I am on Mac. |
| 04:38.06 | Arrowmaster | Mike-N-Go: itunes |
| 04:38.15 | Mike-N-Go | Yah, what about it? |
| 04:38.50 | Arrowmaster | thats what hes talking about, a music playing program |
| 04:39.02 | Mike-N-Go | Ahh |
| 04:41.24 | Mike-N-Go | I really like Steady Shot on my hunter! |
| 04:41.51 | bleetah | itunes on mac is legal, blizz put in API stuff so it's hardwared. I seem to recall them requesting a list of Windows media players and they were going to investigate similar on Win32, but dunno what's happening there |
| 04:42.00 | bleetah | s/wared/wired/ |
| 04:43.10 | Mike-N-Go | I wonder.. if I can get a script to run when an iTunes song is played :) |
| 04:44.40 | Mike-N-Go | Oh, I would like to ask if it is ok to post some scripts as a download on WoWI. |
| 04:45.28 | Mike-N-Go | I made some things that back up the SV folder and such that can be triggered periodically, via Automator for Mac OS X. |
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| 05:02.22 | JoshBorke | purl, hug Cairenn |
| 05:02.23 | purl | ACTION hugs Cairenn tightly until Cairenn turns slightly blue |
| 05:02.23 | JoshBorke | night all |
| 05:02.32 | Cairenn | night JoshBorke *hug* |
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| 05:04.44 | Mike-N-Go | Cairenn: May you give me an ok or not for my set of scripts? |
| 05:04.59 | Cairenn | about? |
| 05:05.19 | Mike-N-Go | Ok, OS X has a thing called Automator |
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| 05:06.10 | Cairenn | if you are talking about thing to auto change your desktop image every time you zone, it was pretty well covered all ready I do believe |
| 05:06.31 | Mike-N-Go | This is something diffrent.. |
| 05:06.56 | Mike-N-Go | I made a few scripts that do this: Find files to backup, interface, AddOns, Cash, etc. then it copies it to a folder then it creates a zip of the folder. |
| 05:07.26 | Cairenn | Oh, you mean things like in here: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/cat88.html |
| 05:07.49 | Cairenn | as long as it is done using methods approved by Blizz, it's fine by me |
| 05:08.09 | Mike-N-Go | And no, I don't plan to ship it as an application package, it will be the source code, it will open to show the source code where the user can easily compile it, set it to run periodically, etc. |
| 05:08.21 | Cairenn | if it's executables, we'l ... nm then |
| 05:08.27 | Mike-N-Go | Where are these rules? |
| 05:09.08 | Mike-N-Go | On Mac, .exe's are generally compressed stuff, that is all it can read them as. |
| 05:09.51 | Mike-N-Go | It is not self executing, it requires user clicking to set up. |
| 05:11.01 | Mike-N-Go | Ok, so, you will not ban me for uploading this to your site :) |
| 05:11.53 | Cairenn | no, we won't |
| 05:12.37 | Mike-N-Go | I have tested my scripts, been using them to backup painlessly for a few months. |
| 05:12.47 | THUNDER_CHILD | Cairenn doesnt ban them, she just ridicules them till they give up |
| 05:13.13 | Cairenn | THUNDER_CHILD: I wish, that method hasn't worked yet on a few notables :p |
| 05:13.48 | THUNDER_CHILD | Be QC vicious |
| 05:14.50 | Mike-N-Go | That is all it does, find the file(s), overwrite them over the backup folder, and zips it up. |
| 05:16.19 | Mike-N-Go | I have a (picture) tutorial in the folder, is it ok if I offer them separate downloads in the same file? |
| 05:16.42 | Cairenn | fine |
| 05:17.23 | Mike-N-Go | Thanks, I have had my scripts for a few months, just have not distributed it, lol. |
| 05:19.50 | Arrowmaster | on the itunes discussion, i seem to recall the main issue for not having the same feature in windows was the track name, theres an api in windows for media players to use for sending events to control players, but no standard way to get the currently playing song name |
| 05:20.13 | Mike-N-Go | Anyone here on a mac, and fell like testing this :) |
| 05:20.38 | Mike-N-Go | I have my remote that came with my mac, I just use that to hear to iTunes, heh. |
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| 05:32.55 | Corrodias | it's nice to see the alliance has a few people of decent height around, now |
| 05:41.13 | Mike-N-Go | =P |
| 05:42.01 | Corrodias | dwarves are cute little guys, but gnomes can't be trusted to perform any function except lunch |
| 05:43.39 | THUNDER_CHILD | making lunch, ot being lunch? |
| 05:43.44 | THUNDER_CHILD | s/ot/or/ |
| 05:44.01 | Corrodias | being, of course. who would let a gnome cook? |
| 05:44.02 | Cairenn | night all |
| 05:44.08 | THUNDER_CHILD | night Cairenn |
| 05:44.12 | Corrodias | 'ni |
| 05:44.15 | THUNDER_CHILD | heh Corrodias |
| 05:44.18 | Xuerian | 'nighty Cairenn. |
| 05:44.54 | THUNDER_CHILD | i would let a gnome cook...it means i dont have to |
| 05:47.29 | norganna | everyone knows gnomes can't cook |
| 05:47.55 | norganna | their arms are too short and they can't get close enough to the fire |
| 05:48.29 | norganna | (without getting burnt) |
| 05:50.29 | Corrodias | gnomes wouldn't cook themselves |
| 05:50.31 | Corrodias | what's the point? |
| 05:50.32 | GomiNoSensei | mmm, extra crispy |
| 05:50.41 | Corrodias | well, not willingly |
| 05:51.04 | GomiNoSensei | problem with gnomes is you need like, 3 or 4 of em to make a meal |
| 05:51.19 | GomiNoSensei | not including the ones you scrape off your hooves |
| 05:51.25 | THUNDER_CHILD | mmmm.... stir-fried gnomes |
| 05:51.44 | Corrodias | yeah, well, there are plenty of little rogues started every day as level one forum alts |
| 05:51.50 | GomiNoSensei | naw, gotta deep fry the little suckers |
| 05:51.52 | Corrodias | *little gnomes |
| 05:52.02 | GomiNoSensei | haha, my first toon was a gnome rogue |
| 05:52.04 | THUNDER_CHILD | na, their meat is to tought |
| 05:52.11 | THUNDER_CHILD | tough* |
| 05:52.16 | GomiNoSensei | hates the POV |
| 05:52.17 | Corrodias | fried gnome, with sauteed sporeggar on top |
| 05:52.40 | GomiNoSensei | also my most recent 60 (now 67) |
| 05:52.56 | GomiNoSensei | been over 2 years now since I started that char |
| 05:53.18 | Corrodias | i spend most of my time as a tauren, way up here. gnomes, way down there? i cannot imagine trying that. |
| 05:54.00 | GomiNoSensei | i mostly have humans |
| 05:54.09 | GomiNoSensei | orcs for my horde/pvp server |
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| 06:06.34 | Bejitt- | is there a way to check tables for key values? like.. "if table.key ~= nil then" |
| 06:06.59 | Bejitt- | hm maybe i should try that out oO |
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| 06:18.06 | Mike-N-Go | Bejitt-: They tell me that "if not table.key then" is faster then your method. |
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| 06:22.02 | Mike-N-Go | What I have done, is: if ( type(SomeTable["SomeKey"]) ~= 'table' ) then SomeTable["SomeKey"] = {} ; end |
| 06:25.02 | Bejitt- | ahh "not table.key" works eh |
| 06:26.44 | Bejitt- | hm |
| 06:26.52 | Bejitt- | wouldnt that be true if table.key was 0? |
| 06:27.13 | Bejitt- | or false even |
| 06:27.21 | Mike-N-Go | Do you have the lua stand alone? |
| 06:27.51 | Bejitt- | about to ;D |
| 06:29.32 | Mike-N-Go | Anything that is not nil, is true. |
| 06:29.45 | Mike-N-Go | So, 0 would be true. |
| 06:30.01 | Mike-N-Go | "" an empty string is also true |
| 06:30.12 | Mike-N-Go | And true is also true |
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| 06:32.57 | Bejitt- | if i did "if not table.key then ..." to check for a key existance, it wouldnt work if "table.key = false" |
| 06:33.23 | Xuerian | if table.key == nil |
| 06:33.28 | Bejitt- | yea |
| 06:33.36 | Mike-N-Go | well, you first need 2 '=' |
| 06:33.42 | Bejitt- | i was wondering if that would work, and i answered my question :) |
| 06:33.49 | Bejitt- | .... |
| 06:33.55 | Mike-N-Go | IE: if table.key == false |
| 06:33.55 | Bejitt- | -_- |
| 06:33.59 | Bejitt- | mike |
| 06:34.04 | Mike-N-Go | Yes? |
| 06:34.07 | Bejitt- | i know >_> |
| 06:34.13 | Bejitt- | moot point |
| 06:34.37 | Mike-N-Go | Well, you said it was not working, I worked with what I had to help =P |
| 06:34.42 | Bejitt- | ;P |
| 06:35.57 | Mike-N-Go | 'if table.key == nil' can also be: if not table.key then |
| 06:36.21 | Bejitt- | those arent the same things |
| 06:36.52 | Bejitt- | "not table.key" ~= "table.key == nil" |
| 06:36.54 | Bejitt- | :P |
| 06:37.29 | Bejitt- | "not" isnt a nullality check |
| 06:39.10 | Bejitt- | i kinda answered my own question, btw |
| 06:39.38 | Mike-N-Go | Well, I am not sure what you wanted to do, so I worked off of what yah gave me :) |
| 06:40.48 | Bejitt- | i wanted to check if a table had a specific key |
| 06:41.18 | Bejitt- | which i now know can be done by checking if the key, in any indexing format, is nil |
| 06:41.25 | Mike-N-Go | if table.key then |
| 06:41.29 | Mike-N-Go | Works for me. |
| 06:42.08 | Bejitt- | "works" ;D |
| 06:42.58 | Mike-N-Go | How I understand it is "if ... then" "..." can be either true, or false. |
| 06:43.29 | Wobin | and nil == false |
| 06:43.37 | Wobin | in this example |
| 06:45.39 | Mike-N-Go | And "if not ... then" is the opposite of "if .. then" |
| 06:46.17 | Wobin | well only because not true == false |
| 06:47.24 | Mike-N-Go | That is exzactly what I am saying, true is true, false is false, not true is false.. etc.. |
| 06:47.36 | Bejitt- | but nil is not false >_< |
| 06:47.48 | Bejitt- | bah i'm trying to come up with a good example |
| 06:48.04 | Bejitt- | -yes-, nil "evaluates" as not true in a conditional |
| 06:48.14 | Bejitt- | but it's not "not true" |
| 06:56.06 | Xuerian | And some days I wonder why programming baffles some people. |
| 06:56.20 | Bejitt- | haha |
| 06:57.28 | Mike-N-Go | You just used not, as in 'not true' twice to explain this?? |
| 06:57.43 | Bejitt- | yes, i know haha |
| 06:58.03 | Bejitt- | i find it hard to explain things sometime, but i know what i'm trying to explain |
| 06:58.07 | Bejitt- | ..if that makes sense |
| 06:58.08 | Xuerian | Double negatives make everything more fun |
| 06:58.35 | Bejitt- | hmm here's another go.. |
| 06:58.42 | Mike-N-Go | Yup. |
| 06:59.04 | Bejitt- | you're using "if someting then ..." to check for the existance of a value |
| 06:59.20 | Bejitt- | which is perfectly fine until you run into a boolean false or a 0 |
| 07:00.08 | Bejitt- | if "val==0" and you do "if val then savetheworld() end", you will never save the world |
| 07:00.45 | Legorol | Bejitt-, that's not true |
| 07:00.49 | Legorol | 0 is true in Lua |
| 07:00.53 | Bejitt- | now if you do "if val ~= nil then savetheworld() end", you've stepped up the ladder |
| 07:01.14 | Legorol | it's true though that you can have a problem if and only if val == false |
| 07:02.11 | Bejitt- | *palmtoforehead* |
| 07:02.24 | Bejitt- | tks for that about 0 |
| 07:02.42 | Bejitt- | that is ... backasswards |
| 07:02.46 | Xuerian | The only thing that baffles me in our present quandary is that we're trying to explain it amongst ourselves, instead of referring to the manual which I believe details this... |
| 07:03.09 | Legorol | btw, the best way to illustrate that nil is not false is to do this: |
| 07:03.17 | Mike-N-Go | You can do "if val then else savetheworld() end" :) |
| 07:03.19 | Legorol | if nil == false then print "nil is false" end |
| 07:04.02 | Legorol | the funny thing is that |
| 07:04.10 | Legorol | if nil == false then print "nil is false" end <= doesn't print anything |
| 07:04.19 | Legorol | if nil == true then print "nil is true" end <= doesn't print anything |
| 07:04.24 | Legorol | so nil is neither true, nor false |
| 07:05.03 | Legorol | Same thing applies to 1, 0, or any other value you can think of |
| 07:05.11 | Legorol | they don't equal true, nor do they equal false |
| 07:05.17 | Legorol | *however*, and this is the key |
| 07:05.27 | Legorol | when you have if ... then ... |
| 07:05.51 | Legorol | if the first ... is a non-boolean value, i.e. it's neither true nor false, then it gets converted to true or false, according to a simple set of rules |
| 07:05.51 | Xuerian | I believe the root of this discussion was expressions in logical statements. logical expressions boil down to true or false, and since nil exists, it's counted as 'false', while everything else not false is counted as true >_> |
| 07:06.05 | Legorol | Xuerian: incorrect |
| 07:06.15 | Xuerian | Legorol: Par for the course, go on then :p |
| 07:06.20 | Bejitt- | nil means nothing exists, correct? |
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| 07:06.34 | Legorol | Bejitt-: yes |
| 07:06.49 | Legorol | Ok, the absolutely technically correct statement is as follows |
| 07:07.09 | Legorol | whenever Lua expects a *boolean* expression, any non-boolean value is converted to true or false (according to some rules, see below) |
| 07:07.19 | Legorol | what are the examples where you'd expect a boolean expression: |
| 07:07.28 | Legorol | if x then ... <= x needs to be boolean |
| 07:07.37 | Legorol | if not x then ... <= again, x needs to be boolean |
| 07:07.41 | Legorol | however, |
| 07:07.51 | Legorol | if x == y then ... <= neither x nor y necessarily has to be boolean |
| 07:08.01 | Legorol | Now the rule for conversion to boolean is very simple: |
| 07:08.16 | Legorol | nil gets converted to false, everything else is converted to true |
| 07:08.27 | Legorol | Some examples if implications: |
| 07:08.36 | Bejitt- | orly |
| 07:08.42 | Legorol | if 0 == true then ... <= doesn't fire |
| 07:08.47 | Legorol | if 0 == false then ... <= doesn't fire |
| 07:08.51 | Legorol | if nil == false then ... <= doesn't fire |
| 07:08.55 | Bejitt- | "everything else is converted to true" except false? :D |
| 07:08.59 | Legorol | if nil == true then ... <= doesn't fire |
| 07:09.10 | Legorol | Bejitt-: i specifically mentioned conversion of non-boolean values to boolean |
| 07:09.16 | Bejitt- | i know i know |
| 07:09.20 | Legorol | false is a boolean value, so my statement doesn |
| 07:09.21 | Legorol | ok |
| 07:09.22 | Legorol | :o) |
| 07:09.39 | Legorol | this is more for the benefit of those who don't know, but thanks for clarifying that part |
| 07:09.47 | Legorol | some more examples: |
| 07:09.53 | Legorol | if nil then ... <= doesn't fire |
| 07:09.57 | Legorol | if not nil then ... <= does fire |
| 07:10.09 | Legorol | if 0 then ... <= doesn't fire |
| 07:10.21 | Legorol | oops i mean |
| 07:10.25 | Legorol | the last one does fire |
| 07:10.45 | Legorol | if not 0 then ... <= doesn't fire |
| 07:10.56 | Legorol | etc. |
| 07:11.01 | Bejitt- | ahh i found the line in the docs |
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| 07:11.02 | Legorol | i think i covered all the quirky cases |
| 07:11.20 | Bejitt- | "The condition expression of a control structure may return any value. Both false and nil are considered false. All values different from nil and false are considered true (in particular, the number 0 and the empty string are also true)" |
| 07:11.41 | Bejitt- | hmm that's actually good to know |
| 07:11.48 | Legorol | yup, but that's not the complete statement |
| 07:12.00 | Legorol | that doesn't explain what should happen when you do: not X where X is non-boolean |
| 07:12.13 | Legorol | or something like "X and Y" where X and Y are not boolean |
| 07:12.22 | Bejitt- | yea, that's handled down the text ;D |
| 07:12.26 | Xuerian | Actually, it does |
| 07:12.44 | Legorol | ok, how about this: |
| 07:12.49 | Legorol | x = y and z; |
| 07:12.58 | Legorol | that's not a control structure, nor a condition expression |
| 07:13.10 | Legorol | yet there is a rule to cover the caase when y and z are non-boolean |
| 07:13.20 | Legorol | that's why i said that the statement Bejitt- quoted is not general enough |
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| 07:13.31 | Legorol | it's a specific example of the general case |
| 07:13.33 | Bejitt- | lol |
| 07:13.40 | krka | Cairenn|afk: approve my addon! |
| 07:13.46 | krka | also, good morning |
| 07:13.50 | Legorol | Cairenn|afk has gone to sleep not too long ago |
| 07:13.50 | Bejitt- | http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#2.5.3 |
| 07:13.57 | Legorol | krka, morning |
| 07:14.00 | Xuerian | Legorol: You're making very valid, but very repetitive points |
| 07:14.08 | Bejitt- | ^-- link to the logical operators section |
| 07:14.19 | Legorol | ok, so what are we trying to achieve here |
| 07:14.23 | Legorol | since all three of us know it.. |
| 07:14.29 | Xuerian | Legorol: We're bored as all get out |
| 07:14.34 | Legorol | we lost Mike-N-Go somewhere along the line i think |
| 07:14.39 | Xuerian | XD |
| 07:14.44 | Xuerian | I don't believe we care. |
| 07:14.50 | Xuerian | Or noticed, anyway. |
| 07:14.51 | Legorol | i do |
| 07:14.58 | Xuerian | Noticed, then :p |
| 07:15.09 | Legorol | i was primarily trying to explain it to him, and along the lines you guys made statemens that weren't general enough ;-) |
| 07:15.19 | Bejitt- | convo started from trying to point out that "if not table.key then..." is not the same as "if table.key ~= nil then..." |
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| 07:16.06 | Xuerian | I don't see how it doesn't get any more general than if it isn't nil or false, it's true, and this covers everything but direct comparisons which still evaluate to boolean results |
| 07:16.09 | krka | morning lego |
| 07:16.19 | Bejitt- | i still think it's odd that 0 is considered true o_O |
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| 07:16.57 | krka | Bejitt-: but 0 is even! |
| 07:17.00 | Xuerian | s/doesn't get any more/gets any more/ |
| 07:17.08 | Mike-N-Go | It is a non number.. |
| 07:18.07 | Bejitt- | i'm probably just too used to it being 'false' in some senses |
| 07:18.15 | Bejitt- | damn C and their ASM shortcuts |
| 07:18.23 | Xuerian | Legorol: Anyhow, if someone gets confused by direct comparisons being mixed in with ones where things are being converted to boolean values, using parentheses would help them a lot in simply understanding it |
| 07:18.25 | Bejitt- | or rather, damn ASM |
| 07:18.50 | Xuerian | Bejitt-: Personally I'm glad lua doesn't evaluate 0 as false, or false == nil |
| 07:18.55 | Bejitt- | parentheses are the debil~ |
| 07:18.57 | Xuerian | I hated that about php. Still do |
| 07:19.06 | Legorol | Xuerian: it's more general |
| 07:19.09 | Bejitt- | "false == nil" = /stab |
| 07:19.12 | Legorol | your statement doesn't cover: |
| 07:19.15 | Legorol | x = y and z |
| 07:19.18 | Legorol | it's not a comparison |
| 07:19.35 | Xuerian | you can't set variables in a expression anyhow |
| 07:19.41 | krka | here's my rule: not X, if X then, while X then, nil and false -> false, otherwise -> true |
| 07:19.49 | Xuerian | *splut* |
| 07:19.59 | Xuerian | not while I'm tired, man! |
| 07:23.41 | Xuerian | Legorol: <Reads a few times again> Alright, if I get the precedence thing right, x == y and z is (x == y) and z, which is really easy to understand, since x either will (true) or won't (false) equal y, and z either will be nil or false (false) or will be something else (true) |
| 07:24.07 | Bejitt- | he didnt say "x == y and z" |
| 07:24.14 | Bejitt- | it was "x = y and z" |
| 07:24.26 | Bejitt- | which is vali |
| 07:24.28 | krka | (equivalent to:) |
| 07:24.28 | Bejitt- | +d |
| 07:24.40 | krka | if y then x = y else x = z end |
| 07:24.49 | krka | no wait |
| 07:24.52 | Bejitt- | "y and z" actually evaluates to a value |
| 07:24.52 | Xuerian | ... |
| 07:24.55 | krka | sorry, my bad |
| 07:24.59 | Legorol | :o) |
| 07:25.02 | Bejitt- | "10 or 20" -> "10" |
| 07:25.10 | krka | no, i was right |
| 07:25.14 | Bejitt- | "nil or 20" -> "20" |
| 07:25.18 | krka | it's morning, i just woke up! |
| 07:25.18 | Xuerian | but that really, really doesn't matter |
| 07:25.22 | Xuerian | oh. |
| 07:25.24 | Xuerian | wait |
| 07:25.31 | Bejitt- | "nil and 20" -> "nil" |
| 07:25.34 | Legorol | yes it does, short-circuit evaluation is extremely important |
| 07:25.35 | Bejitt- | etc |
| 07:25.36 | Xuerian | Are we considering more than pure boolean evaluation? (if ... then) |
| 07:25.51 | Bejitt- | Xuerian: http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#2.5.3 |
| 07:26.00 | Xuerian | Bejitt-: I'm staring at that |
| 07:26.11 | Legorol | Xuerian: i think you are mixing up conditional statements, and boolean values/expressions |
| 07:26.12 | Bejitt- | he went on to a different topic |
| 07:26.14 | Legorol | they are not the same thing |
| 07:26.16 | krka | Legorol: you know any admin on wowi that's awake? :) |
| 07:26.24 | Legorol | krka: nope :( |
| 07:26.28 | Xuerian | Bejitt-: Oh, well that explains it |
| 07:26.42 | krka | pending upload FTL |
| 07:26.57 | Legorol | :/ |
| 07:27.19 | Bejitt- | haha |
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| 07:28.05 | Legorol | hehe |
| 07:28.26 | Legorol | but unfortunately there is nothing special about conditional statements |
| 07:28.36 | Legorol | how about if not (a and b) then ... |
| 07:28.53 | Legorol | mmm wait, maybe you covered that |
| 07:28.54 | Legorol | nvm |
| 07:30.07 | Mike-N-Go | Whoot! |
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| 08:08.07 | MentalPower|HW | purl sucks |
| 08:08.15 | purl | only if you ask nicely and pay well. |
| 08:08.20 | MentalPower|HW | there it is! |
| 08:09.52 | Kaso | HAHA |
| 08:09.57 | Kaso | didnt know it did that |
| 08:10.20 | krka | did what? |
| 08:10.44 | MentalPower|HW | [02:07:41]<MentalPower|HW>purl sucks |
| 08:10.45 | bleetah | (07:08:07 PM) MentalPower|HW: purl sucks |
| 08:10.45 | bleetah | (07:08:15 PM) purl: only if you ask nicely and pay well. |
| 08:10.47 | MentalPower|HW | [02:07:52]<purl>only if you ask nicely and pay well. |
| 08:11.15 | Kaso | you have purl on ignore! how dare you |
| 08:11.38 | MentalPower|HW | back in the early days of the Lounge, purl got abused a lot more |
| 08:14.49 | Esamynn | krka: how could you ignore purl? she's so lovable! |
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| 08:20.11 | bleetah | so, I went to do a wikipedia search to see if the band I was listening to is still recording.. anyways, long and short of it, I missed a vowel from the band's name, yet I was astonished at the 'result' provided by wikipedia -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=dread+zepplin |
| 08:23.59 | MentalPower|HW | bleetah: lol!!! |
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| 08:25.05 | bleetah | MentalPower|HW: I had to look twice, and try again, before I could convince myself I was looking at the right results |
| 08:25.30 | bleetah | how the hell they get 'Kalimdor' from 'dread zepplin' beats the crap outta me |
| 08:25.38 | MentalPower|HW | how the HELL does "dread zepplin" apply to WoW's Kalimdor |
| 08:25.45 | bleetah | 'amusing music to grind to', maybe |
| 08:25.56 | bleetah | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:26.27 | Tierrie | whats the latest build number? 20003 |
| 08:26.39 | bleetah | toc's 20003 |
| 08:26.41 | Tierrie | thanks |
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| 08:27.07 | bleetah | rumours kicking around that 2.1.0 may be on PTR's soon |
| 08:27.34 | SunTiger | rumors like that are alway's around |
| 08:27.53 | Tierrie | ah well |
| 08:28.19 | bleetah | personally, I'd like to see Blizz adopt the numbering system that Gaim ended up using. X.Y..Z. X for chronically large changes, Y for API changes (plugin re-write), Z for micro-changes that effect no-one apart from the internals |
| 08:28.37 | bleetah | we could then just go 'oh, Y's incremented, time for a new toc' |
| 08:41.18 | Mike-N-Go | Night! |
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| 11:54.38 | mahiro | hi |
| 11:56.34 | mahiro | i have problem with a texture, i use this texture http://img409.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bgci8.jpg (black box with white border) and ingame it seems that some part of the border does not show as it should http://img409.imageshack.us/my.php?image=offsetto3.jpg can someone help me with that? |
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| 12:03.49 | haste | flip it 90 degrees |
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| 13:07.06 | mahiro | hast: why flip it 90 degrees? |
| 13:08.28 | mahiro | haste: uups forgot the e:D |
| 13:09.27 | haste | because I an't see your code, and I'm guessing that you have a statusbar in the background also |
| 13:10.01 | mahiro | hmm acctually that texture is the background... |
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| 13:10.36 | haste | backdrop? |
| 13:11.11 | mahiro | no frame |
| 13:11.48 | haste | let me ask in another way, how are you applying the background texture? and what type of frame object is it? |
| 13:12.42 | mahiro | i apply the texture per layer and object is frame |
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| 13:14.48 | haste | show some code :) |
| 13:14.53 | mahiro | mom |
| 13:15.02 | mahiro | http://pastey.net/7022 |
| 13:19.11 | haste | you don't set a texture on it tho', only a name |
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| 13:19.30 | mahiro | i do that in the lua file.... |
| 13:19.39 | mahiro | is that bad? |
| 13:20.24 | haste | no, I haven't used XML at all since 1.10 |
| 13:20.31 | mahiro | hmm |
| 13:21.02 | mahiro | i should do that too^ |
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| 13:23.41 | mahiro | do you have any idea why the texture is not displayed as it is? |
| 13:24.24 | haste | no, not really |
| 13:24.47 | mahiro | hmm |
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| 13:27.04 | mahiro | that sucks, i tried different sizes and scales and its always the same:/ |
| 13:28.19 | Sgaile | mahiro: I just joined. What kind of a problem do you have with a texture? |
| 13:28.46 | mahiro | sgaile:i have problem with a texture, i use this texture http://img409.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bgci8.jpg (black box with white border) and ingame it seems that some part of the border does not show as it should http://img409.imageshack.us/my.php?image=offsetto3.jpg can someone help me with that? |
| 13:29.15 | mahiro | would it make a difference if i use a backdrop instead of the texture? |
| 13:30.19 | Sgaile | mahiro: TexCoords 1.0 I suppose? |
| 13:30.38 | mahiro | hmm |
| 13:30.53 | mahiro | is there a default offset or what? |
| 13:31.09 | Sgaile | mahiro: To show texture as it is you have to use <TexCoords left="0" right="1.0" top="0" bottom="1.0"/> |
| 13:31.55 | mahiro | thx, will try that asap |
| 13:32.04 | Sgaile | mahiro: Another thing is an anchor, do you have one of them or do you have more? |
| 13:32.22 | mahiro | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:33.28 | Sgaile | mahiro: Well, first of all I don't see where to set dimentions of the texture. |
| 13:33.44 | mahiro | i set them in the lua file |
| 13:34.12 | Sgaile | mahiro: Aha. Ok. |
| 13:35.23 | Sgaile | mahiro: Obviously dimentions should be 32x256 and texcoords 0.0-1.0, 0.0-1.0. Preferably one anchor point. |
| 13:35.36 | Sgaile | mahiro: Should work fine. |
| 13:36.12 | mahiro | dimension is 32x256 |
| 13:36.32 | mahiro | i tried the TexCoords but there is no difference... |
| 13:36.48 | Sgaile | mahiro: UI scale 1.0? |
| 13:37.04 | mahiro | no.. is on minimum |
| 13:37.07 | Sgaile | mahiro: It can be some sort of antialiasing artifact. |
| 13:37.12 | mahiro | hmm |
| 13:37.19 | Sgaile | mahiro: Aha, most likely it is then |
| 13:38.36 | Kaso | this is java really but someone might be able to help me |
| 13:38.46 | Sgaile | mahiro: Could you please post a chunk of lua where to set texture? |
| 13:38.47 | Kaso | is there any way to do _G[] type stuff in java? |
| 13:38.58 | mahiro | thats strange, if i set it to 0-2-0-1 the border on the right side is 2 times thicker than it should be but on 0-1-0-1 the border is not visible:/ |
| 13:39.50 | mahiro | ok on ui scale 1 the boder is displayed correct... |
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| 13:40.35 | _Sgaile_ | mahiro: got dc. What was it about texcoords 2.0? |
| 13:41.27 | mahiro | then the border is 2 times as thick as it should be.. also with ui scale 1 the texture is displayed correct |
| 13:41.52 | _Sgaile_ | mahiro: Here you go, it's antialiasing artifact. |
| 13:41.56 | mahiro | is there a way to adjust the frame according to the ui scale? |
| 13:42.20 | mahiro | ok, is there a way to solve that? |
| 13:42.36 | _Sgaile_ | mahiro: It's not the frame, it's the texture interpolation. Hold on, I had something. Gonna dig up my code. |
| 13:43.02 | mahiro | ok |
| 13:45.47 | _Sgaile_ | mahiro: Try <texture>:SetTexCoordModifiesRect(true) |
| 13:47.13 | mahiro | before or after i set the texture? |
| 13:47.51 | _Sgaile_ | mahiro: Before. But it should not matter. |
| 13:48.06 | mahiro | ok |
| 13:48.43 | _Sgaile_ | mahiro: Set it before you do :SetTexCoord |
| 13:56.01 | mahiro | hmm |
| 13:56.15 | Sgaile | mahiro: No changes? |
| 13:56.22 | mahiro | no changes:/ |
| 14:00.30 | mahiro | do these values change if i change the UI scale? |
| 14:00.43 | Sgaile | mahiro: Just to confirm, you code looks like T:SetTexCoordModifiesRect(true); T:SetTexCoord(0.0, 1.0, 0.0, 1.0); T:SetTexture(bla-bla); |
| 14:00.46 | Sgaile | mahiro: Right? |
| 14:01.48 | Sgaile | mahiro: The thing is that :SetTexCoordModifiesRect(true) should prevent texture from scaling. |
| 14:02.17 | Sgaile | mahiro: Although global UI scaling can be controlled somehow else. |
| 14:02.27 | mahiro | HP_PLAYER_BG_TEXTURE:SetTexCoordModifiesRect(true); |
| 14:02.27 | mahiro | HP_PLAYER_BG_TEXTURE:SetTexCoord(0, 1.0, 0, 1.0); |
| 14:02.27 | mahiro | HP_PLAYER_BG_TEXTURE:SetTexture(Options.texture.BGHeight); |
| 14:02.49 | Sgaile | mahiro: Looks alright. |
| 14:06.13 | mahiro | :/ |
| 14:08.36 | Sgaile | mahiro: The only solution I see is to preserve frame scale. F:SetScale(1.0); |
| 14:09.15 | Sgaile | mahiro: That means size of your frame will not be affected by UI scale. |
| 14:09.43 | Sgaile | mahiro: Not sure it's what you want though. |
| 14:12.47 | mahiro | hmm might not be the best solution but if i cant find an other solution.. |
| 14:13.08 | Sgaile | mahiro: Another question, are you sure you have an anchor for the texture? |
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| 14:14.30 | mahiro | HP_PLAYER_FRAME:ClearAllPoints() |
| 14:14.30 | mahiro | HP_PLAYER_FRAME:SetPoint("CENTER", nil, "CENTER", -posX, posY) |
| 14:14.51 | Sgaile | mahiro: It's the frame, and I'm asking about the texture |
| 14:15.18 | mahiro | i have a anchor for the frame but not for the texture it self.... thought it would be enough if the texture is a childe frame of that...... |
| 14:15.46 | Sgaile | mahiro: Yes, it should be. But with UI scaling you can't be sure of anything. |
| 14:16.14 | mahiro | ok, i will try to add an anchor |
| 14:16.21 | Sgaile | mahiro: Just try to set point TOPLEFT relative to the frame's TOPLEFT |
| 14:17.16 | mahiro | i dont need an offset for that do i? |
| 14:17.34 | Sgaile | mahiro: Just set it to 0, 0 |
| 14:17.41 | mahiro | ok |
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| 14:28.19 | mahiro | ^have i done something wrong or why does the frame not show? |
| 14:28.54 | Sgaile | mahiro: Any errors? |
| 14:29.01 | Sgaile | mahiro: What did you change? :) |
| 14:29.07 | mahiro | no errors:/ |
| 14:29.16 | mahiro | i just added the anchor:/ |
| 14:29.24 | Sgaile | mahiro: To the texture, right? |
| 14:29.32 | mahiro | yes |
| 14:29.44 | Sgaile | mahiro: Post the line here pls |
| 14:30.21 | mahiro | <Anchors> |
| 14:30.21 | mahiro | <Anchor point="TOPLEFT" relativePoint="TOPLEFT"> |
| 14:30.21 | mahiro | <Offset><AbsDimension x="0" y="0"/></Offset> |
| 14:30.21 | mahiro | </Anchor> |
| 14:30.21 | mahiro | </Anchors> |
| 14:30.23 | Sgaile | mahiro: Actually, you can set it in xml, since you will never change it |
| 14:32.13 | Sgaile | mahiro: And all these are inside <Texture name=...> </Texture>, right? |
| 14:32.19 | mahiro | jup |
| 14:33.27 | Sgaile | mahiro: And you don't see the frame now? |
| 14:33.45 | mahiro | jup, dont see it |
| 14:33.48 | mahiro | http://pastey.net/7024 |
| 14:35.49 | Sgaile | mahiro: Ok. Set layer level to BACKGROUND and add <Color r="1" g="0" b="0" a="1.0"/> inside the texture. Just to see if it's somewhere outside |
| 14:38.44 | mahiro | hmm seems to be about 100 pixels above center of the screen and the height is about 10px |
| 14:39.23 | mahiro | do i need to set a parent for that texture if its a child of the frame?o_O |
| 14:39.39 | mahiro | i mean a layer of the frame |
| 14:41.00 | Sgaile | mahiro: Just put relaviteTo in the anchor |
| 14:41.38 | mahiro | do i need relativePoint if i use relativeTo? |
| 14:41.50 | Sgaile | mahiro: Yes |
| 14:42.10 | mahiro | ok |
| 14:43.36 | Sgaile | mahiro: The thing is that only Blizz knows exactly how WoW rendering pipeline works. We can only guess. So when something's not working I prefer to give as much info in xml as possible. |
| 14:44.19 | mahiro | hmm the texture is still centerd:/ |
| 14:44.37 | Sgaile | mahiro: Centered relatively to the screen? |
| 14:44.45 | mahiro | yes.... |
| 14:44.52 | Sgaile | mahiro: And where is the frame? |
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| 14:45.32 | Sgaile | mahiro: Can you post screeny somewhere? |
| 14:45.53 | mahiro | thats the only texture i have on that frame so i dont know... |
| 14:46.59 | Sgaile | mahiro: btw, why is your frame size 10x200? |
| 14:47.40 | mahiro | why not?o_O |
| 14:48.19 | mahiro | i also cahnge that in the lua so maybe i should remove it from xml.... |
| 14:48.33 | Kaso | xml is so last year |
| 14:48.53 | mahiro | i hate xml.... |
| 14:48.59 | Sgaile | mahiro: If you want want to display texture 32x256 without scaling you better set frame for the same size or bigger |
| 14:49.16 | mahiro | hmm |
| 14:50.01 | Sgaile | mahiro: Because with :SetTexCoordModifiesRect(true) on a frame of smaller size you will see only a part of texture. |
| 14:50.18 | mahiro | hmm |
| 14:50.59 | mahiro | what about a texture size of 8x256? would that work? |
| 14:52.03 | Sgaile | mahiro: Not sure. |
| 14:52.25 | Sgaile | mahiro: Smallest fraction I've seen in mpq is 32 |
| 14:52.45 | mahiro | the problem is i need a format of 10:200 |
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| 14:53.29 | krka | grab your new FAIAP! http://www.wowinterface.com |
| 14:53.31 | Sgaile | mahiro: With ui scale 1.0 it should be a problem. But when you go to double subpixel scale it gives weird results |
| 14:53.42 | Sgaile | mahiro: shouldn't be |
| 14:53.43 | mahiro | hmm just made a 8x64 texture and it shows all the borders... |
| 14:53.52 | Sgaile | mahiro: Here you go. :) |
| 14:53.52 | cogwheel | yay krka |
| 14:53.59 | mahiro | a bit blurry.... |
| 14:54.14 | Sgaile | mahiro: Yeah, because of interpolation |
| 14:54.53 | Sgaile | mahiro: Try 8x128 |
| 14:57.01 | mahiro | lets see... |
| 14:59.39 | mahiro | thats a bit better, the right border s still a bit smaller than the right one but thats not too bad |
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| 15:03.31 | Sgaile | mahiro: You can try downscale, let's say 16x128 |
| 15:04.05 | Sgaile | mahiro: Just play with the texture image size |
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| 15:05.28 | Sgaile | mahiro: Just a tip, if you need a white border, try to use two colour textures, while one and a black one a pixel smaller in size on top of it. |
| 15:05.40 | Sgaile | mahiro: Should give much better result. |
| 15:08.01 | mahiro | thats a good idea:D |
| 15:10.50 | mahiro | that could also fix the streching if i rescale the frame... |
| 15:13.01 | Sgaile | mahiro: Yeah, it should. :) |
| 15:13.49 | Sgaile | mahiro: It won't eliminate blur entirely, but quality should be better |
| 15:15.36 | mahiro | also i could go with 16x16 or 32x32 textures, right? |
| 15:17.09 | Sgaile | mahiro: Yes, but horisontal lines after rescaling in your case will look awful. |
| 15:17.26 | mahiro | hmm |
| 15:17.45 | mahiro | why is that if i change the width of both textures? |
| 15:18.04 | Sgaile | mahiro: You mean colour texture? |
| 15:18.26 | Sgaile | mahiro: I thought you're talking about image texture. For colour texture size doesn't matter |
| 15:18.34 | mahiro | its only a black and a white texture if one can call that a "texture" ^^ |
| 15:18.55 | Sgaile | mahiro: No, wait. You don't need images for colour textures |
| 15:19.19 | mahiro | hmmm |
| 15:19.26 | Sgaile | mahiro: Just create a texture and use <Color r="0" g="0" b="0" a="1.0"/> for black and <Color r="1" g="1" b="1" a="1.0"/> for white |
| 15:19.48 | Sgaile | mahiro: That is the point of using it actually. :) |
| 15:20.02 | mahiro | ahh thats nice:D |
| 15:20.26 | Sgaile | mahiro: You don't need images at all. |
| 15:21.12 | mahiro | i like that:D |
| 15:21.17 | Sgaile | mahiro: :) |
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| 15:40.23 | mahiro | now thats sweet:D |
| 15:40.45 | mahiro | thx a lot for that awesom help:D |
| 15:42.18 | Sgaile | mahiro: You're welcome. That's why we are here for. :) |
| 15:43.01 | mahiro | oh i have one more question, maybe you can help with that too |
| 15:43.08 | Sgaile | mahiro: Shoot |
| 15:43.55 | mahiro | i have a deficit display and i wanted to format it, this goes well until the deficit reaches 10k+ |
| 15:44.41 | mahiro | so if the unit has a 3k deficit it displays -3.0 but when its over 10k then it displays -1.0 |
| 15:45.41 | mahiro | i used string.format("%.1f", value) |
| 15:46.14 | mahiro | is there an other format for numbers with 5 digits? |
| 15:47.01 | Kaso | yes |
| 15:47.06 | Kaso | %g |
| 15:47.19 | Kaso | thats a float but rounded down |
| 15:47.29 | Kaso | well i mean |
| 15:47.37 | Kaso | no useless 0 |
| 15:47.49 | mahiro | ohh ok, so i have to get the gigits and then set the proper format? |
| 15:47.58 | mahiro | -g+d |
| 15:48.20 | krka | gidits? |
| 15:48.22 | krka | that makes no sense! |
| 15:48.29 | Kaso | actually i think i miss-read your first question |
| 15:48.32 | Kaso | what are you doing? |
| 15:48.58 | mahiro | i format the health deficit of a player |
| 15:49.08 | Sgaile | mahiro: You'll have a problem with %d if exponent of the value is less that -4 |
| 15:49.20 | Sgaile | mahiro: *%g |
| 15:49.40 | Sgaile | mahiro: %g is somewhat between %f and %e |
| 15:49.54 | mahiro | can i also display the values below 10k with %g? |
| 15:50.29 | mahiro | or will it display 03.0 for 3k? |
| 15:51.25 | Sgaile | mahiro: Mmmm...you're thinking about different thing. |
| 15:52.06 | Sgaile | mahiro: Firstly, what is your value range? |
| 15:52.09 | mahiro | think so... %g displays -2 for -2000 instead of -2.0 |
| 15:52.38 | Tem | %g is the shorter of %f and %e |
| 15:52.56 | Sgaile | Tem: You meant "shortest" I think |
| 15:53.16 | Tem | it's whichever is shorter |
| 15:53.26 | Sgaile | Tem: Yup |
| 15:53.32 | Tem | and no, I didn't mean "shortest" when only compairing 2 things |
| 15:54.06 | Tem | mmm, I need coffee |
| 15:54.22 | Sgaile | Tem: I'm sorry then, english isn't my native language. |
| 15:54.32 | Industrial | noted. |
| 15:54.33 | zenzelezz | http://www.gucomics.com/comics/gu_20070221.jpg |
| 15:54.39 | Industrial | =P |
| 15:54.41 | mahiro | hmm %e is not what i need:/ |
| 15:55.08 | Sgaile | mahiro: What is your value range? |
| 15:55.37 | Legorol | there is something here i don't understand |
| 15:55.45 | Industrial | Legorol: 42 |
| 15:55.46 | Industrial | i win |
| 15:55.59 | Legorol | why is %.1f printing -3.0 and not -3000.0? |
| 15:56.27 | Legorol | similarly, why is %g printing -2 instead of -2000 or -2e+03 |
| 15:56.27 | Industrial | eh? |
| 15:56.43 | mahiro | because i devide it by the lenght of the max value.... |
| 15:56.49 | Legorol | mahiro said the values he are dealing with are numbers such as 3000, 10000 |
| 15:57.08 | Legorol | mahiro: ah ok, i either miss that or you didn't mention it before |
| 15:57.17 | Legorol | so what is this length you are dividing with? |
| 15:57.29 | foxlit | "Curse of Impotence: Magical damage dealt is reduced by 14." |
| 15:57.38 | Legorol | is it 1000 or 10000 |
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| 15:59.45 | mahiro | acctually im doing something like that... string.format("%.1f", "-" ..((UnitHealthMax("unit")-UnitHealth("unit"))/(10^string.len(UnitHealthMax("unit"))/10) |
| 16:00.19 | mahiro | but if the alue goes over 10k it wont format to 10.0 it formats to 1.0 |
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| 16:01.36 | Sgaile | mahiro: Try %2.1f |
| 16:02.26 | Legorol | mahiro: how big is UnitHealthMax? is it a constant? |
| 16:02.37 | Legorol | as in, is it changing in your tests, or is it always the same number? |
| 16:03.06 | Legorol | from your expression, the amount you "right-shift" by depends on the value of UnitHealthMax |
| 16:03.17 | Legorol | is it possible that it's changing in the different cases you are trying? |
| 16:04.36 | Legorol | string.format("%.1f",12.345) will be printed as 12.3 |
| 16:05.01 | pastamancer | mahiro: http://wowi.pastey.net/7027 works as expected |
| 16:05.06 | Legorol | so the fact that 10k is giving you 1.0 suggests that you have a changing value of UnitHealthMax |
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| 16:07.40 | pastamancer | mahiro: also, don't use string functions when you working with numbers. it's not necessary |
| 16:07.49 | Legorol | mahiro: there is something wrong with your test cases, not with the string.format expression |
| 16:08.09 | Legorol | the only way you will get a deficit of 10k is if UnitHealthMax is at least 10k |
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| 16:08.41 | Legorol | in which case, given the expression you gave above, you will be dividing by 10^5/10 = 10^4 |
| 16:08.53 | Legorol | so 10k will end as 1, and 3k should end as 0.3 |
| 16:10.42 | mahiro | hmm |
| 16:10.47 | Legorol | were you trying different cases with different characters? |
| 16:10.52 | Legorol | ones with differnt magnitude of max health? |
| 16:11.22 | Legorol | I don't think this issue is about string.format at all, it's about your expression you are using to "right-shift" |
| 16:12.02 | mahiro | i tested this in a raid where the maintank had over 10k and it displayed it as i wanted until the value hits 10k, then it continued with 1.0 and so on |
| 16:12.17 | Legorol | hold on a sec.. |
| 16:12.27 | Legorol | what did it display when the main tank had a deficit of 3000 Hp? |
| 16:12.32 | Legorol | it should've displayed 0.3 |
| 16:12.36 | mahiro | no 3.0 |
| 16:12.56 | Legorol | then we are missing something |
| 16:13.02 | Legorol | let's look at this: |
| 16:13.03 | Legorol | ((UnitHealthMax("unit")-UnitHealth("unit"))/(10^string.len(UnitHealthMax("unit"))/10) |
| 16:13.09 | Legorol | the deficit is 3000 |
| 16:13.21 | Legorol | healthmax is over 10k, so string.len returns 5 |
| 16:13.30 | Legorol | you have 10^5/10 = 10^4 |
| 16:13.35 | Legorol | 3000/10^4=0.3 |
| 16:13.47 | Legorol | so try and figure out why did you end up with a display of 3.0 |
| 16:13.57 | Legorol | %.1f will not do that, it will print 0.3 |
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| 16:14.11 | Legorol | do you see what i'm saying? |
| 16:14.24 | Legorol | the problem is somewhere else, in some factor you are overlooking |
| 16:17.09 | mahiro | nono i get the deficit, 4000 and devide that by the leght of the maxhealth so that would be 10^4 for x000 and that would give me a value with 5x0 so i devide that value by 10:D i think i have to rethink this method:D |
| 16:17.58 | Legorol | hold on |
| 16:18.06 | Legorol | "devide that by the leght of the maxhealth" |
| 16:18.12 | Legorol | how big is maxhealth in your case? |
| 16:18.28 | Legorol | if you say "that would be 10^4", it means maxhealth is at most 9999 |
| 16:18.35 | mahiro | 6000 is 4 |
| 16:18.40 | Legorol | yes |
| 16:18.41 | mahiro | 10000 is 5 |
| 16:18.45 | Legorol | correct |
| 16:18.55 | Legorol | but what is the maxhelath *in the case you were testing* |
| 16:19.06 | mahiro | 14k or so |
| 16:19.07 | Legorol | did you try different cases? |
| 16:19.09 | Legorol | ok |
| 16:19.20 | Legorol | so in the case you were testing, maxhealth was 14000 |
| 16:19.25 | Legorol | string.len therefore would give you 5 |
| 16:19.38 | mahiro | i had the values displayed for all party members and target frame and so on |
| 16:19.46 | Legorol | and you'd be dividing by 10^5/10 |
| 16:19.51 | Legorol | which is 10^4 |
| 16:20.05 | Legorol | so if the deficit is 10000, -> 1.0 |
| 16:20.15 | Legorol | if the deficit is 3000, it *should've been* 0.3 |
| 16:20.24 | Legorol | the mystery is how you ended up with 3.0 |
| 16:22.42 | mahiro | wait a sec... 10^5 is not 10k its acctually 100k thats why i devide that by 10 |
| 16:22.51 | Legorol | yes |
| 16:23.10 | Legorol | string.len("10000") -> 5 |
| 16:23.25 | Legorol | 10^string.len("10000") -> 10^5 |
| 16:23.38 | Legorol | (10^string.len("10000")/10) -> 10^4 |
| 16:24.11 | Legorol | (healthamx-health)/((10^string.len("10000")/10)) -> 0.3 when the deficit is 3000 |
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| 16:25.44 | Legorol | (healthamx-health)/((10^string.len("10000")/10)) -> 1.0 when the deficit is 10000 |
| 16:29.14 | mahiro | i think it was a bit late when i created that :D |
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| 16:31.20 | mahiro | but when i use %2.1f will this display 3.0 or 03.0? |
| 16:32.08 | Legorol | %2.1f will display 0.3 |
| 16:32.12 | Legorol | the value is still 0.3 |
| 16:32.21 | Legorol | i still don't see how you are getting a value of 3.0 |
| 16:32.26 | Legorol | irrespective of string.format |
| 16:32.30 | mahiro | so how can i display 10.0? |
| 16:32.37 | Legorol | i still don't understand you |
| 16:32.43 | Legorol | based on the information you have given us so far, |
| 16:32.51 | Legorol | there is no way that you should've been able to see 3.0 |
| 16:33.02 | Legorol | there is something missing here |
| 16:33.26 | Legorol | The expression you gave so far will do: 3000 -> 0.3, and format it as 0.3 |
| 16:33.38 | Legorol | it will do: 10000 -> 1, and format it as 1.0 |
| 16:33.43 | mahiro | forget about that formula, its crap |
| 16:33.50 | Legorol | ok |
| 16:33.55 | Legorol | then let's look at design |
| 16:34.08 | Legorol | do you want the deficit display to be relative to the max health? |
| 16:34.23 | Legorol | i thinkt he problem is that you are trying to achieve two different things at the same time: |
| 16:34.31 | Legorol | - you want the deficit display to be somehow relative to max health |
| 16:34.58 | Legorol | - but you also want the deficit display to be somehow dependent on the absolute value, since you want to display 3.0 as well as 10.0 |
| 16:35.01 | mahiro | well yes because i dont want to write a formula for every health value^^ |
| 16:35.15 | Legorol | ok, the best way to approach it is as follows |
| 16:35.25 | Legorol | i will give you four scenarios, and in each one you tell me what you want the output to be |
| 16:35.31 | Legorol | then i tell you how it can be achieved |
| 16:35.35 | mahiro | ok |
| 16:35.44 | Legorol | case 1) unit's max health is 5000, the deficit is 300 |
| 16:35.50 | Legorol | case 2) unit's max health is 5000, the deficit is 3000 |
| 16:36.00 | Legorol | case 3) unit's max health is 10000, the deficit is 300 |
| 16:36.08 | Legorol | case 4) unit's max health is 10000, the deficit is 3000 |
| 16:36.20 | mahiro | 1) -0.3 |
| 16:36.22 | Legorol | case 5) unit's max health is 15000, the deficit is 3000 |
| 16:36.24 | Legorol | case 5) unit's max health is 15000, the deficit is 11000 |
| 16:36.26 | mahiro | 2) -3.0 |
| 16:36.29 | Legorol | case 6) unit's max health is 15000, the deficit is 11000 |
| 16:36.37 | mahiro | 3) -0.3 |
| 16:36.47 | amro | that's more than four |
| 16:36.47 | mahiro | 4) -3.0 |
| 16:36.55 | Legorol | amro: sorry i thought a few more |
| 16:36.59 | amro | =P |
| 16:37.03 | JoshBork1 | i see 7 |
| 16:37.07 | mahiro | 5) -3.0 |
| 16:37.07 | JoshBork1 | and i see 2 5's... |
| 16:37.16 | mahiro | 5.2) -11.0 |
| 16:37.17 | Legorol | yeah ignore the first 5) |
| 16:37.23 | Legorol | hehe nevermind |
| 16:37.23 | mahiro | 6) -11.0 |
| 16:37.42 | Legorol | mahiro: ok, then it's very simple |
| 16:37.53 | Legorol | you basically always want the deficit to be in units of 1000 |
| 16:37.59 | Legorol | independent of the max health of the character |
| 16:38.20 | Legorol | so: deficit = (unithealth-unitmaxhealth)/1000 |
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| 16:38.31 | Legorol | print(string.format("%.1f", deficit)) |
| 16:38.39 | Legorol | that will do exactly what you want |
| 16:38.52 | pastamancer | sometimes I feel like I need a neon sign |
| 16:38.54 | Legorol | and it covers all those cases above |
| 16:39.01 | Legorol | exactly as you asked |
| 16:39.19 | mahiro | hmm thats really a lot easyer then what i did:D |
| 16:39.38 | pastamancer | that's what I pasteyed over 30 min ago |
| 16:39.53 | Legorol | well you overcomplicated it because the right-adjustment (i.e. divison by 1000) really shouldn't depend on the max health, according to your design intentions |
| 16:40.14 | Legorol | pastamancer: yup, but now we are sure that that's what mahiro wants |
| 16:40.45 | mahiro | maybe i come back later with an other exotic formula:D |
| 16:40.48 | pastamancer | Legorol: I can read minds :p |
| 16:41.07 | mahiro | so we can have some fun again:D |
| 16:41.16 | Legorol | pastamancer: since he was talking about stuff relative to the unit's max health, i wanted to make sure that your expression is really what he wants, it didn't sound like it at first |
| 16:42.28 | mahiro | thx a lot for your help |
| 16:43.21 | pastamancer | Legorol: ah, but scaling the value based on max health like that (and using string operations to boot!) led me to believe that wasn't what his intent was |
| 16:43.43 | Legorol | exadctly |
| 16:43.56 | Legorol | that's why i asked mahiro to actually give examples of the results he wants in different cases |
| 16:44.28 | Legorol | btw, this: |
| 16:44.28 | Legorol | [14:41] <mahiro> do i need relativePoint if i use relativeTo? |
| 16:44.28 | Legorol | [14:41] <Sgaile> mahiro: Yes |
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| 16:44.44 | Legorol | is not true, relativePoint is optional |
| 16:45.54 | Tem | btw, if you set wow to used windowed mode, you can totaly check the AH from Remote Desktop |
| 16:46.06 | Legorol | uh |
| 16:46.20 | Legorol | Tem, tell me how you did that |
| 16:46.32 | Legorol | i can't get DirectX applications (even in windowed mode) to show up in remote desktop |
| 16:46.40 | Legorol | they don't even start |
| 16:47.09 | Legorol | Until now, my understanding was that when you open a remote desktop session, it creates a virtual terminal with a virtual display driver, which is not a directx compatible driver, |
| 16:47.19 | Legorol | hence all directx apps refuse to run. |
| 16:47.21 | Legorol | What's your magic |
| 16:47.47 | Tem | Legorol, *shrug* |
| 16:47.50 | Tem | it just worked |
| 16:47.55 | zenzelezz | OpenGL? :-p No idea though |
| 16:47.57 | Legorol | and for me, it just didn't work ;-) |
| 16:48.00 | Tem | it was vista remote desktop |
| 16:48.04 | Tem | maybe that's the difference |
| 16:48.05 | Legorol | but it's something i wanted to do for a long time |
| 16:48.08 | Legorol | ah, could be |
| 16:48.28 | Tem | if you ever try it, a few suggestions |
| 16:48.41 | Tem | setup camera spots in keybindings |
| 16:48.49 | Tem | moving the camera is a severe PITA |
| 16:48.54 | Tem | use click to move |
| 16:49.02 | JoshBork1 | i used to play Diablo 2 with TightVNC |
| 16:49.24 | JoshBork1 | that was fun lvling up my merc |
| 16:49.39 | Legorol | yeah vnc does work for me too |
| 17:01.13 | Tem | oh wow |
| 17:01.22 | Tem | the stormwind clock is chiming in time with my desk clock |
| 17:01.26 | Tem | that's badass |
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| 17:54.14 | TC_Working | ~seen tem |
| 17:54.27 | purl | tem is currently on #wowi-lounge (13m 34s) #wowace (13m 34s). Has said a total of 44 messages. Is idling for 53m 1s, last said: 'that's badass'. |
| 17:54.28 | Tem | zomg |
| 17:54.32 | TC_Working | oh...your in voice wasnt looking there |
| 17:55.04 | TC_Working | take a gander at http://www.gamespot.com/features/6166198/index.html |
| 17:56.35 | Tem | I played with it some last night |
| 17:56.43 | Tem | and it runs fine on Low |
| 17:57.02 | Tem | and I can get "acceptable" performance on Medium |
| 17:57.22 | Tem | (btw, the game looks fucking amazing on Medium and even better on High) |
| 17:57.46 | Tem | (on low it looks like... TA:Spring with better unit models) |
| 17:59.11 | Tem | thanks for the link, TC_Working |
| 18:00.02 | TC_Working | np, thought it might help |
| 18:00.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | YARRRR |
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| 18:14.21 | Gnarfoz | Rating Buster - [Update Pending] <-- what does it mean? author updated but not yet approved? |
| 18:14.34 | Elkano | exactly |
| 18:15.45 | Gnarfoz | I'll wait then ^^ |
| 18:20.48 | Gnarfoz | <TC_Working> take a gander at http://www.gamespot.com/features/6166198/index.html <- o_O my boss was talking about that game, I hadn't read about it until now... man that game looks seriously awesome |
| 18:21.31 | TC_Working | yea, and hard on the hardware as well |
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| 18:25.08 | Gnarfoz | comes with the level of graphics, I guess |
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| 18:54.12 | Cairenn | hi Bouvi |
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| 18:58.48 | Bouvi | Hi Cairenn |
| 18:59.03 | Legorol | morning Cairenn |
| 19:04.12 | TC_Working | ~wake |
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| 19:05.28 | Floyd | hello i'm back again |
| 19:05.35 | Cairenn | hi |
| 19:05.42 | Gryphen | he3ya |
| 19:05.42 | Floyd | my first questen is .. known someone a tutorial who tels how i can create tooltips? |
| 19:05.50 | Floyd | and my secound questen is .. how can i show this tooltip if a player raise the event MouseOver on a QuestLog entry |
| 19:05.56 | Floyd | i hope that someone can help me |
| 19:08.33 | Floyd | anyone any idear? |
| 19:09.02 | Cairenn | Patience is a virtue |
| 19:10.26 | Neuro_Medivh | Patience, yeah yeah, how long will that take? |
| 19:10.35 | Kaso | Lemme find some code floyd |
| 19:10.49 | Neuro_Medivh | just call me Ed Gruberman! |
| 19:11.07 | Floyd | lemme what means this? |
| 19:11.11 | Cairenn | if you aren't careful I'll call you late |
| 19:11.42 | Cairenn | it means he is looking to find some |
| 19:12.04 | Floyd | oh oky that is pleasing |
| 19:13.20 | Floyd | that is a completely beautiful evidence of incapacity .. each 10 width unit word must I look up ^^ |
| 19:14.13 | Neuro_Medivh | Floyd, please tell me you are not a native speaker of English |
| 19:14.50 | Floyd | i write english native but some words a down known the translation |
| 19:15.36 | Floyd | that google-translate will help fastly ^^ |
| 19:15.51 | Neuro_Medivh | Ok, so English is not your first language, that is fine. If it were, I'd have to make fun of you. |
| 19:15.51 | Cairenn | That is the impression I get. Idioms are giving him problems, so ... |
| 19:16.01 | Floyd | this is the reasen what my grammar is so bad :( but i give my best |
| 19:16.24 | Neuro_Medivh | it is reasonable good grammar |
| 19:16.34 | Cairenn | You are doing better than many we get in here Floyd, many of whom for which English *is* their first language |
| 19:16.35 | Floyd | :D |
| 19:16.48 | Floyd | thank you |
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| 19:17.01 | Neuro_Medivh | Yes, that is my point. Some people are native born speakers of English, and type like a retarded monkey. |
| 19:17.13 | Kaso | Floyd, http://pastey.net/7038 |
| 19:17.18 | Neuro_Medivh | Not a smart monkey, mind you. |
| 19:17.20 | Floyd | in my first language is isn't better |
| 19:17.23 | Neuro_Medivh | a retarded one. |
| 19:17.54 | Cairenn | I actually find that, sadly, it is all too frequently the case that someone for whom English is their second language, they do a better job with it, because they take the time and effort |
| 19:17.59 | Floyd | thank you @kaso |
| 19:18.11 | Neuro_Medivh | it's all this text messaging. People replacing 'you' with 'u', 'are' with 'r', etc |
| 19:18.18 | Cairenn | (or third, or fourth) |
| 19:18.52 | Bouvi | Wut r u talking about |
| 19:18.52 | Floyd | and how can i show this tooltip if a player raise the event MouseOver on a QuestLog entry |
| 19:19.08 | Floyd | mean wut = what ? |
| 19:19.18 | Neuro_Medivh | yes |
| 19:19.23 | Neuro_Medivh | He is being sarcastic |
| 19:19.33 | Bouvi | Which I do very well I might add. |
| 19:19.37 | Neuro_Medivh | sardonic |
| 19:19.38 | Cairenn | He was mocking those that speak that way |
| 19:19.43 | Floyd | k i will be learn, too to make my english better that yet |
| 19:19.44 | Neuro_Medivh | a smart-ass, if you will |
| 19:19.51 | Kaso | if you want to show it on mouseover Floyd you need to do something along the lines of ElementYouWantToTriggerWhenMousedOver:SetScript("OnMouseEnter",function() some function here end) |
| 19:19.52 | Kaso | i think |
| 19:19.57 | Kaso | Floyd, that is |
| 19:19.58 | Cairenn | Which drives most of the people in this channel crazy |
| 19:20.21 | Neuro_Medivh | fortunately, most of us arrived at that destination long ago |
| 19:20.21 | Bouvi | What Bouvi being a smart-ass or people talking like that lol? |
| 19:20.24 | Corrodias | wut! |
| 19:20.28 | Cairenn | Yes |
| 19:20.31 | Floyd | kk i show the questlog-interface-xml and will be test it |
| 19:20.31 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 19:20.36 | Floyd | thank you very mutch |
| 19:21.03 | Neuro_Medivh | The only language harder to learn than english is probably latin |
| 19:21.07 | Bouvi | Can't do anything about the smart-ass part but I can spell what, you, see you later. |
| 19:21.18 | Cairenn | *grin* |
| 19:21.22 | Bouvi | LOL |
| 19:21.35 | Neuro_Medivh | Though Latin has the advantage of word order being almost meaningless |
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| 19:22.32 | Neuro_Medivh | In English, Man bites Dog is far different than Dog bites Man |
| 19:22.56 | Cairenn | How is it my daughter puts it? - "English is the slut of languages - Sleeps around with all the other languages and picks up things from all of them" - something like that |
| 19:23.25 | Cairenn | It's a wonder that anyone for whom it isn't their native tongue is able to learn it at all. |
| 19:23.27 | Neuro_Medivh | which is why I like girls who speak english! |
| 19:23.39 | Floyd | FauxScrollFrameTemplate .. could be this be the part of the questlog who show the questnames ? ui-elements not my strengthens |
| 19:24.29 | Neuro_Medivh | It lets you say things like "your mother tongue is so slutty!" Which could possibly get you slapped. |
| 19:24.52 | Kaso | Floyd, the best idea would be to mouse over the part you want the tooltip on and do /run ChatFrame1:AddMessage(GetMouseFocus()) |
| 19:24.58 | Kaso | and it will print the correct element |
| 19:26.06 | Floyd | sorry i down't understand what you mean .. |
| 19:26.45 | Kaso | ok |
| 19:27.08 | Kaso | put the mouse pointer over the part of the UI you wish to catch mouseover events for |
| 19:27.35 | Floyd | concerning the goal have I however so expressed which you it understood themselves? - |
| 19:27.35 | Floyd | which we do not talk together past |
| 19:27.44 | Floyd | ^^ |
| 19:28.09 | Kaso | are you using google translator? |
| 19:28.32 | Floyd | sometimes yes .. moustly i write nativ |
| 19:28.47 | Floyd | but i think i have unterstand what you mean and i will test it |
| 19:29.13 | Cairenn | It's doing not bad - He wants to know if his telling us what he has in mind will help us in helping him, and can he trust us to not tell anyone else outside the channel about it (that's how I read it) |
| 19:29.33 | Kaso | Im really confused. |
| 19:29.48 | Floyd | why? |
| 19:30.25 | Kaso | What help do you want from me |
| 19:30.29 | Tem | Floyd, what's your native language? |
| 19:30.31 | nuoHep | GetMouseFocus will throw errors in your face... have to use GetMouseFocus():GetName() |
| 19:30.42 | Cairenn | Floyd: May ... never mind, Tem just beat me to it :) |
| 19:30.57 | Kaso | true nuoHep |
| 19:31.12 | Kaso | i usually just do /dump GetMouseFocus() didnt think of that |
| 19:31.37 | Floyd | oky /dump GetMouseFocus() will retun sumeone ^^ |
| 19:31.53 | Floyd | but /run ChatFrame1:AddMessage(GetMouseFocus()) will do nothing |
| 19:32.06 | Tem | Floyd, to use /dump you need DevTools |
| 19:32.21 | Cairenn | ~devtools |
| 19:32.25 | purl | extra, extra, read all about it, devtools is Iriel's DevTools, a highly useful set of debugging tools for developers on WoW. Found at http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=3999 Why isn't it in the default client yet?, or found at http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?s=&id=5415 for the beta |
| 19:32.25 | Floyd | i known |
| 19:32.25 | Tem | which is an add on that you can find at www.wowinterface.com |
| 19:32.30 | Tem | okay, just making sure |
| 19:32.33 | Floyd | i have it installd |
| 19:32.39 | Cairenn | Good man. :) |
| 19:32.53 | Kaso | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:33.04 | Floyd | :D i have write'n some addons bevor .. this sould be an extension of my addon |
| 19:33.08 | nuoHep | if youhave ace (AceConsole to be exact) you can /print GetMouseFocus() ... does almost the same thing as DevTools's /dump |
| 19:33.39 | Gngsk_ | nuoHep, actually /dump works for AceConsole too |
| 19:34.01 | Floyd | it returns : r=1; [0]=<userdata QuestLogTitel3[0]; g=1; b=0; |
| 19:34.09 | Cairenn | So Floyd, you may have missed us asking - what is your native language? |
| 19:34.10 | nuoHep | ah, yeah. always forget that :) |
| 19:34.35 | Tem | Floyd, What language do you speak? |
| 19:34.39 | Floyd | is this mean that the name of the element is QuestLogTitel3 ? or QuestLogTitel3[0] ? |
| 19:34.51 | Floyd | Germen |
| 19:34.59 | Tem | ah, interesting |
| 19:35.06 | Tem | QuestLogTile3 |
| 19:35.14 | Floyd | kk |
| 19:35.21 | Tem | the element in the 0 field is the actual userdata |
| 19:35.29 | Tem | which is the C++ object |
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| 19:38.02 | Floyd | http://pastey.net/7042 |
| 19:38.18 | Floyd | it will be returns the error: attempt to index a nil value |
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| 19:41.52 | Floyd | and the error prouce the line with : tooltipname:SetOwner(QuestLogTitel3,"ANCHOR_LEFT") |
| 19:42.30 | Tem | it's because you're spelling "Title" incorrectly |
| 19:42.32 | Floyd | produce i mean ^^ |
| 19:42.45 | Tem | it needs to be "QuestLogTitle3" instead of "QuestlogTitel3" |
| 19:43.03 | Floyd | a casesensitiv .. |
| 19:43.13 | Tem | Floyd, http://pastey.net/7043 |
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| 19:45.06 | sysrage | is there some good new -threat gear for mages? |
| 19:45.38 | Floyd | at first now i get the error: Interface\FrameXML\MoneyFrame.lua 185: attempt to perform arithmetic on local money (a nil value) ? what? ^^ |
| 19:46.01 | Neuro_Medivh | sysrage, probably |
| 19:46.08 | Neuro_Medivh | what is your build? |
| 19:46.23 | sysrage | frost with just enough arcane for imp CS |
| 19:46.33 | Neuro_Medivh | pvp, or pve mainly? |
| 19:46.38 | sysrage | mostly pve |
| 19:46.43 | Floyd | @Tem can i wisper you directly? |
| 19:46.45 | Floyd | pls |
| 19:46.46 | Neuro_Medivh | you have winter's chill I assume? |
| 19:46.49 | sysrage | ya |
| 19:46.54 | Floyd | wisper i mean sorry |
| 19:46.59 | Tem | sure |
| 19:47.00 | Neuro_Medivh | that's gonna be your biggest aggro generator |
| 19:47.15 | sysrage | hmm |
| 19:47.20 | Neuro_Medivh | after testing on tbr, winter's chill is a HUGE aggro generator |
| 19:47.31 | Neuro_Medivh | it's like sunder |
| 19:47.32 | Kaso | the buff itself? |
| 19:47.34 | Neuro_Medivh | yes |
| 19:47.38 | Neuro_Medivh | cause it's a debuff |
| 19:47.52 | Neuro_Medivh | on the target, and every cast reapplies it. |
| 19:48.03 | Kaso | How much threat does it produce though |
| 19:48.03 | Neuro_Medivh | My testing showed it increased threat about 30% |
| 19:48.10 | Corrodias | hmm. |
| 19:48.21 | Corrodias | thanks for telling us |
| 19:48.56 | Neuro_Medivh | granted, it wasn't amazingly scientific, was me and another frost mage testing it out a few months back |
| 19:49.24 | Neuro_Medivh | if we matched frostbolt for frostbolt, a mob would always go to him |
| 19:49.46 | Neuro_Medivh | if he slowed down, I had to get about 1/3 more frostbolts in before it would switch to me |
| 19:50.22 | Kaso | Itd be worth doing some proper tests on that |
| 19:51.09 | Neuro_Medivh | well, we both had no +dmg gear on, to try and minimize the effect of +dmg on it, so I would assume at higher +dmg levels the difference in threat would be reduced |
| 19:51.40 | Bouvi | Well since he put the debuff on the mob it would go for him. If your doing the same and he did one more thing it would make sense the mob goes for whoever is dealing anything extra. |
| 19:52.04 | Neuro_Medivh | right. And it's not cause of the increased dmg, cause that's the same for both of us |
| 19:52.13 | Neuro_Medivh | i.e. the debuff helps me as much as him |
| 19:52.36 | Bouvi | Right but he applied it. |
| 19:52.39 | Neuro_Medivh | exactly |
| 19:52.57 | Neuro_Medivh | but the thing is, I had to do about 30% more dmg before the mobs would switch to me over him |
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| 19:53.08 | Floyd | some known somethink about this error message? |
| 19:53.08 | Bouvi | Since he is the reason the extra damage can be taken it would make sense for the mob to aggro him more. |
| 19:53.28 | Neuro_Medivh | right, it's just the reason I no longer spec winter's chill |
| 19:53.36 | tyroney | I forget, and I'm somewhat lazy. Can you use $parent in a statement like CreateFrame() ? |
| 19:53.45 | Neuro_Medivh | 10% more crits isn't worth 30% more aggro to me |
| 19:53.49 | Bouvi | Was the debuff still active thou? Because any damage you did would compound the agroo on him due to the debuff. |
| 19:53.50 | Corrodias | actually |
| 19:54.01 | Corrodias | i thought that, for ranged attacks, it takes 30% more threat to make the mob switch targets. |
| 19:54.17 | Corrodias | compared to 10% for melee range |
| 19:54.27 | Neuro_Medivh | lol, seriously? |
| 19:54.42 | Neuro_Medivh | that might account for all of it then =) |
| 19:55.01 | Neuro_Medivh | either way, I know in groups, if the mage has winter's chill, it's HARD for the tank to keep aggro |
| 19:55.17 | Corrodias | i need to look up threat. brb. |
| 19:55.18 | Neuro_Medivh | it's one of my problems with Stormstrike |
| 19:55.31 | Neuro_Medivh | the nature debuff is a HUGE aggro generator |
| 19:55.39 | Neuro_Medivh | and I never use it |
| 19:56.02 | Kaso | Floyd what did you do to cause the error message? |
| 19:56.10 | Corrodias | http://www.wowwiki.com/Formulas:Aggro#Drawing_Aggro |
| 19:56.27 | Corrodias | Exceeding the threat level of the mob's current target by 30% outside melee range of the mob |
| 19:56.28 | Floyd | http://pastey.net/7043 |
| 19:57.02 | Neuro_Medivh | ahh |
| 19:57.10 | Neuro_Medivh | that would explain it |
| 19:57.12 | Kaso | ok, and what error do you get? |
| 19:57.29 | Neuro_Medivh | I'd have to test with a tank then |
| 19:57.35 | Floyd | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:57.56 | Floyd | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:58.02 | Floyd | oh sorry |
| 19:58.50 | Kaso | That code wouldnt cause that error |
| 19:59.36 | Floyd | if i have put this code in my addon i will be get the error if i revoke this not |
| 20:00.06 | Kaso | you should perhaps change tooltipname for some less generic name |
| 20:00.59 | Floyd | tooltipname = CreateFrame("GameTooltip","eqhquesttooltip",UIParent,"GameTooltipTemplate") - bute the error will come agan |
| 20:01.11 | Floyd | again? agan? i downt know :D |
| 20:02.25 | Kaso | without seeing the call stack from that error i cant really help much |
| 20:02.51 | Kaso | but as far as i can see theres no real way that could cause the error |
| 20:02.53 | Floyd | oky i think i have the error found .. is it wrong that this code would be do more then once? |
| 20:03.12 | Kaso | the first line of that code creates the tooltip |
| 20:03.23 | Kaso | the last three lines shows the tooltip |
| 20:03.39 | Floyd | yes this is clearly |
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| 20:04.07 | Floyd | at start this code would be run at ... how i say it .. sek. pls |
| 20:04.33 | Floyd | |
| 20:04.33 | Floyd | when starting the code was two times implemented |
| 20:04.51 | Floyd | and i think that this will be produce the error |
| 20:04.57 | Kaso | the first line of the code should not be called more than once |
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| 20:06.23 | Floyd | k it will be works.. and now i would be show this tooltip if the player mouseover an questlogentry and hidden if mouseout .. and position under the curser of the mouse :D |
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| 20:09.32 | TC_Working | so, anyone who wants some pizza can come over here and get some |
| 20:10.07 | Bouvi | What kind? |
| 20:11.03 | TC_Working | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:11.03 | TC_Working | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:11.03 | TC_Working | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:11.03 | TC_Working | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:11.03 | TC_Working | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:11.04 | Kaso | Floyd, http://pastey.net/7046 |
| 20:11.31 | Bouvi | OMG I am so there. A non-veggie pizza party. Where at? |
| 20:11.39 | TC_Working | LA |
| 20:11.53 | Tierrie|Work | what's pork topping |
| 20:12.02 | Tierrie|Work | why would you have pork topping and not more ham |
| 20:12.03 | TC_Working | pig i imagine |
| 20:12.04 | Bouvi | Now the question commercial airline or fly myself.... |
| 20:12.09 | Floyd | afk WC ^^ |
| 20:12.17 | TC_Working | flap your wings real hard Bouvi |
| 20:12.31 | Tierrie|Work | Bouvi you have a license and a plane? |
| 20:12.40 | Bouvi | I have my license |
| 20:13.08 | Tierrie|Work | ok |
| 20:13.10 | Floyd | back |
| 20:13.15 | Tierrie|Work | so can you flap your hands fast enough? |
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| 20:14.10 | Floyd | is function(...) <-- coretly syntax or an placeholder? |
| 20:14.37 | Tierrie|Work | its somewhat correct |
| 20:14.52 | Tierrie|Work | its an anonymous function that takes its parameters as arg1, arg2 and so forth |
| 20:15.10 | Floyd | k thanks |
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| 20:17.15 | Bouvi | But since I am not rated to fly high performance airplanes I can only go about 170 mph max. |
| 20:17.32 | Floyd | oky it will be works thank you all.. but a litte quest i have .. can i make this same dynamicly? QuestLogTitle |
| 20:17.57 | Floyd | it will be makes a many code if i write this for each element QuestLogTitle1, QuestLogTitle2, QuestLogTitle3 ... |
| 20:18.11 | Kaso | Yah you can do it with a loop |
| 20:18.49 | Floyd | local old = QuestLogTitle3:GetScript("OnEnter") .. i think that QuestLogTitle3 is an object .. |
| 20:19.15 | Kaso | How many QuestLogTitles are there? |
| 20:20.03 | Floyd | QuestLogFrame.XML = 6 ; ExtendeQuestlog = 20 (i would be suport both) |
| 20:20.43 | Kaso | http://pastey.net/7048 |
| 20:20.45 | Floyd | is ther any function like GetObjectByName("QuestLogTitel"..i) ?? |
| 20:21.03 | Kaso | getglobal() works or _G[] |
| 20:22.27 | Floyd | oh k thanks.. i think that lua is a nice language but i have not found any documentation and tutorial about ui-elements or somethinge else(getglobal() or _G[] for example) where you are get you information? |
| 20:24.25 | Kaso | www.lua.org/pil |
| 20:25.22 | Floyd | and ui-elements ? |
| 20:26.06 | Kaso | the best introduction to that is faraframes |
| 20:26.09 | Kaso | ~faraframes |
| 20:26.10 | purl | faraframes is a rather good tutorial of basic wow frames creation using XML, it can be found at http://fara.webeddie.com/frames/ |
| 20:26.22 | Kaso | and finally wowwiki has alot of reference material |
| 20:26.25 | Kaso | ~wowwiki |
| 20:26.26 | purl | i heard wowwiki is http://www.wowwiki.com |
| 20:27.11 | tyroney | I'm working on a decent tutorial, but it'll be awhile before I'm done pasting and checking all of it. Both XML and LUA frame creation. |
| 20:27.45 | Kaso | thats good |
| 20:28.08 | Floyd | yes both i known .. i think i must be refresh my english now because i downt understand all ^^ and wowwiki isan good dicenery for api functions,events ... but for ui-elements .. i have not found many |
| 20:28.56 | Floyd | oky i would be do alone agains thank you for your help.. i came back if i have a new question :D |
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| 20:33.53 | Floyd | @kaso .. any error .. any qustion agains :D you have say that i cant call tooltipname = CreateFrame more as once .. how i create dynamic names/objects? |
| 20:34.28 | Floyd | tooltipname[0].Frame = CreateFrame .. is this posible? |
| 20:35.39 | Kaso | Yes |
| 20:35.50 | Kaso | What do you want to do however |
| 20:37.54 | TC_Working | hmmm....WoW GTA crossover... http://www.shortpacked.com/d/20060426.html |
| 20:37.59 | Floyd | i would be give each element in the questlog his own tooltip with his own data .. |
| 20:38.15 | Kaso | Why would you want to do that? |
| 20:38.23 | Kaso | you can dynamically change the data on the tooltip |
| 20:39.19 | Floyd | good idear :D |
| 20:41.09 | Kaso | tooltip:ClearLines() |
| 20:41.21 | Kaso | tooltip:AddLine("text") |
| 20:41.25 | Kaso | tooltip:Show() |
| 20:42.14 | Neuro_Medivh | Kaso, stop filling his head with lies! Don't listen to him, Floyd, he's mentally unstable, and possibly even a democrat |
| 20:42.37 | Floyd | http://pastey.net/7049 |
| 20:42.59 | Floyd | but it will be show only SomeText6 -- 6 is the higest index at the moment |
| 20:43.59 | Floyd | @neuro is it divicult too translate what you mean but i think i understand ^^ |
| 20:44.12 | Floyd | but democrat does i down understand :( |
| 20:44.18 | Floyd | :D |
| 20:44.25 | Neuro_Medivh | democrat means evil |
| 20:44.40 | Floyd | i should be make a hollyday in england or usa :D |
| 20:44.42 | Floyd | ah oky |
| 20:44.47 | zenzelezz | Neuro is just joking |
| 20:44.56 | Floyd | is clearly ;) |
| 20:45.01 | Neuro_Medivh | that's just what the democrats want you to think! |
| 20:45.20 | Neuro_Medivh | They're all paranoid psychos, I'm the only one telling the truth |
| 20:45.30 | *** join/#wowi-lounge zenzio__ (n=zenzio@ti131310a341-0921.bb.online.no) |
| 20:45.55 | Floyd | i could be downt write english corretly but i downt fall on the head ;) |
| 20:46.08 | Bouvi | Bouvi for President |
| 20:46.17 | Neuro_Medivh | why choose the lesser of two evils? |
| 20:46.20 | Floyd | oky neuro .. you are my hero ;) |
| 20:47.01 | Neuro_Medivh | This is true, Floyd. I am heroic on many levels. |
| 20:47.01 | Bouvi | If I can sway the wow community vote that is 8 million people. Now to open up world-wide elections.... |
| 20:47.22 | Neuro_Medivh | only one problem |
| 20:47.23 | Floyd | oky back at topic .. i cal this code at initialize of my addon |
| 20:47.31 | Floyd | call i mean |
| 20:47.38 | Neuro_Medivh | you can't get 3 wow players to agree on anything, much less 8 million |
| 20:47.54 | Neuro_Medivh | unless you lie |
| 20:47.55 | Floyd | but it will be show every time sometext6 (6 is the highest index now) |
| 20:47.57 | Neuro_Medivh | can you lie? |
| 20:48.09 | Bouvi | You cannot deny TheBouvi thou. I have my own theme song viewable at http://www.bouvi.com |
| 20:48.13 | Floyd | http://pastey.net/7049 |
| 20:49.01 | Neuro_Medivh | I hear nothing |
| 20:49.02 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Kaso (n=Kaso@resnet01.nat.lancs.ac.uk) |
| 20:49.58 | Neuro_Medivh | I load your website, and hear no music. I want my money back. |
| 20:50.32 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Kaso (n=Kaso@resnet01.nat.lancs.ac.uk) |
| 20:51.02 | Floyd | arr.. ... thats is so annoying .. |
| 20:52.01 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Kaso (n=Kaso@resnet01.nat.lancs.ac.uk) |
| 20:52.17 | Floyd | I am me times evenly to hang |
| 20:53.42 | *** join/#wowi-lounge JoshBorke (n=Josh@r35h14.res.gatech.edu) |
| 20:54.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | just did a pug shadowlabs group with the best group i've ever been in :O |
| 20:54.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | pretty fun instance when you're not in it with noobs :D |
| 20:54.16 | Tem | lol... |
| 20:54.19 | Tem | I just turned on click to move |
| 20:54.21 | Neuro_Medivh | that's true of most instances |
| 20:54.30 | Tem | and I tried to setup a path for myself by holding shift and clicking a few times |
| 20:54.43 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:54.45 | Tem | something tells me I've been playing too much TA |
| 20:55.05 | Floyd | oky i have found an error bt it still downt work corretly.. the error is allready the same http://pastey.net/7050 |
| 20:55.12 | kergoth | hows supreme commander? i'm gonna have to buy a new video card for it, the good card i had before went bad, sent it back to newegg for a refund, havent bought a new one yet.. heh |
| 20:55.19 | Bouvi | You have to read the lyrics. If you want me to sing.... |
| 20:56.50 | Neuro_Medivh | sorry, I can't read. My parents weren't married |
| 20:57.05 | Floyd | gz |
| 20:57.06 | TC_Working | 8800GTX |
| 20:57.14 | TC_Working | go big |
| 20:57.41 | Neuro_Medivh | btw, Mr. Bouvi, I hope you realize your wife is far too cute for you. What's your secret? Drugs? Money? Drug money? |
| 20:58.00 | Tem | kergoth, I like it, but I really should have gotten a better video card for it |
| 20:58.11 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:58.18 | Tem | It's **so** pretty with high settings |
| 20:58.29 | Tem | but it only looks marginally better than TA:Spring with graphics on low |
| 20:58.31 | kergoth | i expect i'll love it, the max # of units in ta always bugged me, i love the idea of working at large scales |
| 20:58.42 | kergoth | ah |
| 20:58.51 | Bouvi | Martial Arts. She walked into a school looking for lessons and I was the Master Instructor there. She got more than she bargained for. |
| 20:59.02 | Tem | the units look basically the same no matter what your settings are |
| 20:59.12 | Tem | however, the terrain looks AMAZING |
| 20:59.21 | Tem | (or shitty, depending on your settings) |
| 20:59.23 | Neuro_Medivh | Ah, Ancient Chinese Secret. I can dig it. |
| 20:59.28 | kergoth | Tem: is supreme commander as extensible as ta was? ai, units, etc |
| 20:59.38 | Tem | kergoth, it's supposedly *more* extensible |
| 20:59.46 | kergoth | kickass |
| 20:59.52 | Tem | last I heard, it's interface was lua |
| 20:59.54 | Tem | wow-style |
| 20:59.57 | kergoth | ooh |
| 21:00.00 | Tem | yeah |
| 21:00.06 | Neuro_Medivh | hot damn, I'm installing Decursive on it then! |
| 21:00.08 | kergoth | we should have some fun with that |
| 21:00.10 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:00.19 | Tem | I hate you, Neuro_Medivh |
| 21:00.21 | Tem | I hate you in the face |
| 21:01.02 | Cairenn | she really is cute, isn't she? |
| 21:01.07 | Neuro_Medivh | sadly, not even sure I know what you're refering to. Only TA I know of is Total Anhilliation |
| 21:01.27 | Neuro_Medivh | Cairenn, yes. I understand now, it's the kung fu grip that got her. |
| 21:01.28 | kergoth | Neuro_Medivh: thats what we've referred to. supreme commander came out the other day, new strategy game by the guys that did TA. |
| 21:02.01 | Tem | Neuro_Medivh, SupComm is like TA with better graphics |
| 21:02.07 | Bouvi | Yep she is a cutie. And she loves WoW. She is home playing right now. |
| 21:02.18 | Neuro_Medivh | You don't deserve her, damn you! |
| 21:02.23 | Tem | (and different names because the folks who own the IP for TA were tightasses) |
| 21:02.27 | Bouvi | I tell myself that daily |
| 21:02.27 | Kemayo | She's grouping with other people? |
| 21:02.28 | Kemayo | Hot. |
| 21:02.45 | Floyd | @kaso: have you found my error? pls say yes :D |
| 21:02.45 | Bouvi | She will group with just about anybody.... O.o |
| 21:02.54 | Kaso | what error? |
| 21:03.00 | Neuro_Medivh | then again, it's hard not to look impressive when you're beating ass on people in a kung fu way |
| 21:03.30 | TC_Working | i never did care for TA |
| 21:03.34 | Cairenn | btw Bouvi, the Dueling Nunchaku link is kaput |
| 21:03.42 | Neuro_Medivh | "to learn the ways of Tae Kwon Leap, you must first learn the ways of your own soul. Meditate upon this wisdom now...." |
| 21:03.54 | Floyd | http://pastey.net/7050 <- it will be show only SameText 6 (6 is the highest index) .. i call this code on ADDON_LOAD-event |
| 21:03.55 | Bouvi | I remember the first time I went to her house. Her movie collection was movies I owned or would own. |
| 21:03.58 | Cairenn | as us the one about the airplane |
| 21:04.22 | Neuro_Medivh | You married her to get her movie collection, didn't you? |
| 21:04.23 | Cairenn | as is* |
| 21:04.31 | Bouvi | Dang it. Space on the end. Use this http://www.starlightweb.com/movies/chucks.mov |
| 21:04.47 | Neuro_Medivh | You thought "You know, if I marry this girl, I get to watch all these movies, muhahahah!" |
| 21:04.50 | Bouvi | And this http://www.masterfritts.com/pilot/solo_large.mov |
| 21:05.14 | Bouvi | That's it. her idea of a chick flick is Decent. |
| 21:05.16 | Cairenn | Did you use nunchaku on the airplane as well? or just feet and fists? |
| 21:05.57 | Bouvi | On the airplane I was mostly praying I would have an equal number of take-offs and landings. Having more take-offs then landings is a bad thing. |
| 21:06.18 | Cairenn | Never have more take-offs than landings, not physically possible |
| 21:06.19 | Neuro_Medivh | So is having more landings than take offs. |
| 21:06.35 | Bouvi | It is. If you land you are not crashing |
| 21:06.37 | Cairenn | whether or not you land in one piece, that's a different story |
| 21:06.38 | Kaso | Im not sure Floyd sorry |
| 21:06.39 | TC_Working | i think he means succsefull ones |
| 21:07.03 | Bouvi | I consider landing being able to at least crawl away |
| 21:07.18 | Cairenn | Any landing you can walk away from is a good one |
| 21:07.39 | Cairenn | and guys, I know what he meant, I'm just teasing him :p |
| 21:07.53 | zenzelezz | no wai |
| 21:08.04 | Neuro_Medivh | Or you could land on a different planet, like those guys in Planet of the Apes did. Wait a minute.. Statue of Liberty? That was earth! You blew up it, you bastards! |
| 21:08.19 | Bouvi | Links fixed on the site. |
| 21:08.24 | Floyd | hmm oky what i do now :D if a professional lua-developer downt found it ;) .. but realy what should i down now? |
| 21:08.49 | Kaso | Im far from professional |
| 21:09.12 | Floyd | ^^ |
| 21:09.18 | Kaso | actually id call myself quite unprofessional in my demeanour |
| 21:09.23 | Floyd | it wars more a joke |
| 21:09.25 | Bouvi | I miss flying. I am gonna love my flying mount when I hit 70 thou hehe |
| 21:09.47 | Cairenn | ROFLMAO, love that you did it to dueling banjos ... hahahhaa |
| 21:09.48 | Tem | oh god |
| 21:10.01 | Tem | audiences are not allowed to clap |
| 21:10.02 | Tem | EVER |
| 21:10.04 | Kaso | Floyd so no matter which Quest Log title you mouse-over it shows 6? |
| 21:10.04 | Bouvi | Yeah that was at West Point |
| 21:10.20 | Bouvi | We did 40 demos in 7 days up there. |
| 21:10.21 | Floyd | all |
| 21:10.25 | Tem | I challenge you to make more than 3 people (who don't have musical backgrounds) clap in time without rushing the fuck out of it |
| 21:11.00 | Bouvi | That was my instructors idea. They started the clapping. Did that everytime we performed lol |
| 21:11.09 | Tem | *shudder* |
| 21:11.13 | bleetah | I challenge you to tap out a 3/4 rhythm on your head with your left hand, and a 7/8 on your stomach with your right whilst keeping 4/4 tapping away on your foot |
| 21:11.14 | Floyd | it will be shows if i mouseover 1, 2,3 .. or 6 |
| 21:11.18 | Tem | I might have kungfu'd her |
| 21:11.36 | Tem | bleetah, you underestimate my drumset abilities |
| 21:11.37 | Cairenn | bleetah: careful who you challenge with that here .... |
| 21:11.43 | Cairenn | <== percussionist |
| 21:12.07 | Tem | while I'm not a percussionist primarily, I do know how to do that |
| 21:12.10 | Neuro_Medivh | <== musically illiterate |
| 21:12.14 | Kaso | the only way that could happen is if QLT was global, but it is not |
| 21:12.49 | Bouvi | What is funny I had not idea they clapped until I watched the video later. |
| 21:12.53 | Bouvi | no idea |
| 21:12.56 | Tem | lol |
| 21:13.12 | Floyd | any problem more i sea .. hmm thats will be hard .. if i have mor than 6 quest in questlog it must be refresh se tooltips with the new data .. |
| 21:13.15 | Floyd | uff.. |
| 21:13.20 | Cairenn | focus & concentration are good things |
| 21:14.01 | Bouvi | I was beat up so much during that week. I am such a ham everyone wanted me as a target dummy because I made a good show of it. |
| 21:14.16 | Kaso | Floyd |
| 21:14.17 | Floyd | oky i have remove "local" for QLT and EQHtooltipname but the error is the same |
| 21:14.18 | TC_Working | next time, try to play the music with your nunchaku |
| 21:14.20 | Floyd | yes |
| 21:14.39 | Kaso | it is proberly better to put a function call in the SetScript |
| 21:14.47 | Kaso | so you can dynamically decide what is shown |
| 21:15.12 | bleetah | :-p |
| 21:15.12 | Kaso | also my suggestion was that it could cause that error if local was absent, you should have local there |
| 21:15.16 | Floyd | oky .. |
| 21:15.30 | Floyd | EQHtooltipname = nil; |
| 21:15.30 | Floyd | QLT=1; |
| 21:15.38 | Bouvi | I can choreograph fight scenes to music and keep the beat but I cannot play worth a flip. |
| 21:16.05 | TC_Working | hmm...i bet with custom made ones you could play the harp |
| 21:16.51 | Bouvi | Actually I was teaching Escrima sticks in weapons class last week and I did ekk out a nice beat on the bag I was showing the striking pattern on. |
| 21:17.02 | TC_Working | or xylophone |
| 21:17.26 | TC_Working | well thats like drums, it would be far harder to use something less....ridged |
| 21:17.52 | Bouvi | Would not be fun if it was easy |
| 21:18.11 | Cairenn | xylophone is too small, go to marimba |
| 21:18.30 | TC_Working | or maybe the hanging gong things |
| 21:18.36 | Neuro_Medivh | the steel drum! |
| 21:18.58 | Neuro_Medivh | give it a caribbean sound |
| 21:19.36 | Floyd | whats wrong? : _G["QuestLogTitle"..QLT]:SetScript("OnEnter",Quest_OnEnter()) |
| 21:20.02 | Cairenn | one of my favourite sounding of all is a really nicely made deep pitched wooden vibraphone (please don't make the obvious jokes guys, just once?) |
| 21:20.19 | Cide | Floyd: you most likely want Quest_OnEnter |
| 21:20.21 | Neuro_Medivh | what obvious joke would that be? |
| 21:20.22 | Cide | (without () ) |
| 21:20.32 | TC_Working | and the fact that you thought of it first suggest what?.... |
| 21:20.46 | Cairenn | the fact I've heard them way too many damn times |
| 21:20.51 | Neuro_Medivh | Please explain, and use details |
| 21:20.54 | TC_Working | uh huh...sure |
| 21:20.55 | Floyd | k works |
| 21:21.10 | TC_Working | you mind is in the gutter just like the rest of us |
| 21:21.23 | Neuro_Medivh | what's below the gutter? |
| 21:21.23 | TC_Working | s/you/your/ |
| 21:21.27 | TC_Working | Tain |
| 21:21.34 | Neuro_Medivh | cause that's where mine usually is |
| 21:22.01 | Bouvi | I know that is where mine is. It has permanent resident. |
| 21:22.21 | Floyd | and how i can known with tooltip should be show? i mean with QuestLogTitle the player is mouseover? |
| 21:22.43 | Neuro_Medivh | "My mind is not only in the gutter, it's moved in, tidied up, and hung some curtains!" |
| 21:23.22 | Floyd | |
| 21:23.22 | Floyd | I am white a difficult customer I |
| 21:23.25 | Cairenn | one of my favourite memories of when I was still actively playing percussion was a time a whole bunch of us got together on various of the marimba, vibraphone etc family of instruments and just jammed ... we came out of our trance after a while to have folks that had heard us and wandered in tell us that we'd been playing for like 3 hrs straight |
| 21:23.36 | Cairenn | felt like 5 minutes |
| 21:23.44 | Neuro_Medivh | was this at band camp? |
| 21:24.01 | zenzelezz | bah, was just about to make a similar comment |
| 21:24.10 | Cairenn | damnit Neuro_Medivh, I *knew* one or another of you just HAD to go there ... |
| 21:24.16 | Neuro_Medivh | what?? |
| 21:24.21 | Neuro_Medivh | That's a legitimate question! |
| 21:24.26 | Bouvi | Must have been at band camp |
| 21:24.29 | Cairenn | but for the record, yes, it actually was |
| 21:24.38 | Neuro_Medivh | Though, to be honest, i *was* going for the pervy connotation, muhahah |
| 21:24.48 | JoshBorke | purl hug Cairenn |
| 21:24.50 | purl | ACTION jumps into Cairenn's lap and huggles and *hugs* Cairenn |
| 21:24.56 | Tem | I hate that fucking movie |
| 21:25.01 | TC_Working | i never saw it |
| 21:25.03 | Cairenn | although calling it "band camp" is just a bit of a misnomer |
| 21:25.03 | Tem | it gave all of us such a bad name |
| 21:25.05 | zenzelezz | this is the Internet, you can't escape such comments |
| 21:25.08 | Cairenn | Tem: agreed |
| 21:25.44 | Neuro_Medivh | I liked it... it was no Porky's, but it was funny |
| 21:25.44 | Tem | I never saw it |
| 21:25.44 | Neuro_Medivh | Now, Porky's, *that* was funny |
| 21:25.44 | Tem | but I'm so sick of "ahuhu, band camp" |
| 21:25.54 | Bouvi | Weird stuff happens at band camp. I have heard stories. |
| 21:26.02 | Neuro_Medivh | I cannot watch the scene of all of the teachers in the principal's office without laughing my ass off |
| 21:26.03 | TC_Working | yes, people learn how to play intruments |
| 21:26.05 | zenzelezz | I liked the movie when it was released; but I don't find it as funny any more. The timing was just right back then |
| 21:26.08 | TC_Working | very scary |
| 21:27.20 | Cairenn | the main percussionist instructor at this "band camp" was the percussionist for the Vancouver Symphony Orchestra |
| 21:27.47 | Bouvi | Cool |
| 21:28.00 | Cairenn | so yeah ... "band camp" ... understatement |
| 21:28.37 | Cairenn | he was pissed when I stopped playing |
| 21:29.47 | Neuro_Medivh | why did you? |
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| 21:30.01 | Cairenn | life |
| 21:30.13 | bleetah | suggestive remarks about band camp got to you, eh Cairenn? |
| 21:30.17 | Neuro_Medivh | damn life |
| 21:30.24 | bleetah | nerf life! |
| 21:30.24 | Neuro_Medivh | keeps me from playing WoW too |
| 21:30.30 | Cairenn | no, going to university and getting knocked up got to me |
| 21:30.43 | Cairenn | :p |
| 21:30.55 | zenzelezz | that was blunt |
| 21:31.05 | Cairenn | but true |
| 21:31.17 | Neuro_Medivh | well, your girl is old enough to take care of herself, why not take it back up again? |
| 21:31.43 | Neuro_Medivh | even if it doesn't work out, you could always make a Lifetime Movie of the Week out of it =) |
| 21:31.48 | Cairenn | heh - my sticks are sitting here on my desk |
| 21:31.49 | Cairenn | ROFL |
| 21:31.52 | Cairenn | ummm, no |
| 21:32.15 | Neuro_Medivh | lol |
| 21:32.39 | Neuro_Medivh | I dunno, I remember years and years ago, my mother watching all those lifetime movies, and that was the basic plot of about half of them |
| 21:32.48 | Bouvi | Yeah Lifetime movie called The Girl from Band Camp. |
| 21:32.56 | Cairenn | oi |
| 21:33.46 | Xuerian | FINISH HIM! |
| 21:33.53 | Cairenn | he wishes ;) |
| 21:33.59 | Xuerian | :P |
| 21:34.10 | Bouvi | It's those damn fantasies |
| 21:34.18 | Xuerian | Amazingly, I meant that as in blood, not in dirty o.0... surprised myself on that one. |
| 21:34.21 | Cairenn | besides which, if I went back to it, I wouldn't be able to spend all my time in here with you guys! |
| 21:34.26 | Xuerian | Aww. |
| 21:34.27 | Neuro_Medivh | that's the problem with Bouvis.... just when you think you're kicking their ass, you find out you're just giving him a freebie |
| 21:34.28 | Xuerian | We love you too. |
| 21:35.02 | zenzelezz | what makes you think she likes us? :-o |
| 21:35.06 | bleetah | Cairenn: your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to convert a MIDI drumkit to a WoW controller. |
| 21:35.12 | zenzelezz | could just be the sense of power and superiority |
| 21:35.20 | Cairenn | ROFL bleetah |
| 21:35.27 | Xuerian | zenzelezz: No comment |
| 21:35.50 | Neuro_Medivh | "Cairenn, you broke mez!" "Yeah, sorry, missed a downbeat" |
| 21:35.56 | Floyd | what are the arguments für "OnEnter" ? |
| 21:35.58 | bleetah | "We'll use that Buddy Rich riff when we're at 60%" |
| 21:36.08 | Cairenn | lol |
| 21:36.11 | Bouvi | Well it could be said that spending your time in here with "us" guys could be grounds for a commital hearing. |
| 21:36.37 | Cairenn | okay, enough guys, poor Floyd is trying to get some actual "on-topic" help, we can go back to silly later ;) |
| 21:36.49 | Bouvi | Silly later. Check. |
| 21:37.03 | bleetah | huh? this channel has two modes? |
| 21:37.09 | Cairenn | lol |
| 21:37.15 | zenzelezz | but we were just getting warmed up :-/ |
| 21:37.23 | Cairenn | precisely |
| 21:37.31 | Floyd | thank you cairenn .. im to despair |
| 21:37.53 | Bouvi | I would make a comment about warming gell but I am trying to be good for Floyd |
| 21:38.26 | Floyd | lol |
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| 21:38.42 | Floyd | sorry it takes a moment for translation :D |
| 21:38.49 | Bouvi | hehe |
| 21:38.54 | Cairenn | Floyd: not a problem :) |
| 21:39.01 | Bouvi | It was in response to what Zenzelezz said. |
| 21:39.22 | Cairenn | I'm still amazed at how well goggle translator is working, Floyd |
| 21:39.27 | Floyd | oky .. i would be to make a tooltip for each questlogentry who displays data from a table from me |
| 21:39.52 | JoshBorke | purl, hug Cairenn |
| 21:39.55 | purl | ACTION sneaks up on Cairenn and suddenly hugs Cairenn tightly |
| 21:40.01 | Cairenn | purl, hug JoshBorke |
| 21:40.02 | purl | ACTION jumps into JoshBorke's lap and huggles and *hugs* JoshBorke |
| 21:40.23 | zenzelezz | Cairenn: it's not perfect, but it got me through French class |
| 21:40.58 | zenzelezz | I swear 90% of that language's verbs start with A |
| 21:41.21 | Floyd | @cairenn.. i write native and translate same words by google translater or http://dict.leo.org/ |
| 21:42.28 | Floyd | @the topic: have you understand what i wont to do? |
| 21:43.02 | AnduinLothar | this beauty just graced my chat logs... "chuck norris's cowboy boots are made out of real cowboys" |
| 21:43.19 | zenzelezz | lol |
| 21:44.50 | Floyd | patience may be a virtue however I needs ASSISTANCE .. PLS HELP ME (tankyou google translator - im to despair :( ) |
| 21:45.14 | Floyd | has anyone any idear? |
| 21:45.19 | Floyd | *cry* |
| 21:46.22 | JoshBorke | sorry, no clue |
| 21:46.55 | AnduinLothar | When do you want to show the tooltips? Whan you hover over the quest in the main questlog? |
| 21:47.19 | AnduinLothar | typos > google |
| 21:47.28 | Floyd | yes .. if i hover over a questlogentry in the main questlog .. |
| 21:47.59 | Floyd | if i hover over one of my 25 Quests |
| 21:48.20 | Floyd | the questname of one of my 25 Quests |
| 21:48.34 | AnduinLothar | You would have to change the OnEnter of each questlog entry and add a GameTooltip:AddLine("text") |
| 21:49.10 | Floyd | ähm the i cant change the QuestLogXML.. is blizzard standard interface |
| 21:49.30 | Floyd | \World of Warcraft\Blizzard Interface Data (deDE)\FrameXML\QuestLogFrame.xml |
| 21:49.33 | TC_Working | want ot have fun translate english to japanese to english again |
| 21:49.39 | TC_Working | s/ot/to/ |
| 21:49.46 | AnduinLothar | you'll have to hook the OnEnter script function |
| 21:49.48 | Xuerian | Floyd: You'd have to hook into the questlog and set it yourself when it's updated |
| 21:49.59 | TC_Working | Origional:Feeling lucky? We’ll bet you have the time of your life in one of our friendly casinos, some of the largest at sea. Slot machines, black jack, poker, roulette and more, make a fantastic time in a Carnival casino a sure thing. |
| 21:50.00 | Xuerian | Floyd: ... Or what AnduinLothar is saying, which is easier ;D |
| 21:50.12 | TC_Working | Translated: |
| 21:50.12 | TC_Working | Being moved by fortunately? We one of our amicable casinos, bet the fact that it is time of your life with several the sea being largest. As for the slot machine, the black jack, poker and roulette and it is many, secure thing is done in the time when the casino of thanking/apologizing meat festival is splendid. |
| 21:50.27 | AnduinLothar | TC_Working: cut it out |
| 21:50.49 | Neuro_Medivh | yeah, cause now I wanna go gambling |
| 21:52.19 | TC_Working | yes daddy |
| 21:52.19 | Floyd | you mean that i hook the QuestLog_Update function ? |
| 21:52.39 | Kaso | Floyd, what they are suggesting is similar to the code you had here : http://pastey.net/7050 |
| 21:54.40 | Floyd | @kaso: oky but the code downt work corretly :/ |
| 21:55.32 | Floyd | my questn i @code 7050 .. how i can find out with entry is hoverd? |
| 21:59.02 | Floyd | http://pastey.net/7054 <- please show this |
| 21:59.36 | Floyd | but i downt known on OnEnter whitch element i hover / mouseover |
| 22:00.05 | Xuerian | wouldn't 'this' take on the object in question? |
| 22:01.09 | Floyd | is this.name a valid syntax? |
| 22:01.24 | Neuro_Medivh | it can be, depending |
| 22:02.02 | Floyd | this.name is not an valid :( |
| 22:02.22 | Kaso | this:GetName() |
| 22:02.56 | Floyd | oky this i valid :D |
| 22:03.37 | Floyd | is the any documentation whitch valid propüertys/functions "this" in this context has? |
| 22:04.45 | Xuerian | Floyd 'this' is just a reference to the owner of the event |
| 22:05.29 | Floyd | this is clearly but the owner ("QuestLogTitle1" for example) has propertys or functions .. ?! |
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| 22:07.09 | Kaso | QuestLogTitle is a button i believe so it has all the functions described in the button section of http://www.wowwiki.com/Widget_API |
| 22:08.11 | Floyd | k thx |
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| 22:23.36 | Floyd | why this not work: string.sub(this:GetName(), string.find(this:GetName(), "%d+")) .. getName return "QuestLogTitel1" and i would be get the id only |
| 22:24.41 | Xuerian | return select(3, (this:GetName()):find('(%d)')) |
| 22:24.46 | Xuerian | er |
| 22:24.53 | Xuerian | return select(3, (this:GetName()):find('(%d+)')) |
| 22:25.33 | bleetah | http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/gadgets/tesla-antitheft-device-eye-of-sauron-237663.php |
| 22:25.42 | Floyd | it will works thy you but what make select(3 ? |
| 22:25.59 | Xuerian | find() returns posStart, posEnd, matches... |
| 22:26.11 | Floyd | yes |
| 22:26.16 | Floyd | that i known |
| 22:26.18 | Xuerian | select(3, ...) chooses matches and discards the rest |
| 22:26.26 | Floyd | ah oky |
| 22:26.30 | Floyd | thx |
| 22:26.35 | Xuerian | shortcut to local _, _, match :P |
| 22:26.58 | JoshBorke | which is faster? |
| 22:27.22 | Xuerian | Not compared it, honestly |
| 22:27.40 | haste | select is a global function call |
| 22:27.46 | Kaso | I think i tested it to be millionths of seconds between them |
| 22:28.36 | WobWork | Xuerian: actually no |
| 22:28.52 | WobWork | select(3, ...) selects everything past the third argument |
| 22:28.58 | WobWork | ie 3,4,5,6... |
| 22:29.26 | Xuerian | WobWork: yeah, my descriptions of the way things work are usually only relevant to the example I provide, and often blur the actual or extended usage :p |
| 22:29.28 | WobWork | it's more useful to use with ... variables |
| 22:30.12 | Xuerian | WobWork: Indeed it is, I had fun digging through UIParent's babies. But it's fun to use in other places too. |
| 22:30.17 | JoshBorke | why not use string.match? |
| 22:30.40 | Xuerian | JoshBorke: That would make sense. Of course I wouldn't. |
| 22:31.05 | Kaso | there is less than 1/4000000 second difference between select(3,string.find and string.match |
| 22:31.22 | JoshBorke | yea, but which is faster? |
| 22:31.28 | JoshBorke | and which is easier to understand? |
| 22:31.31 | WobWork | hehe |
| 22:31.39 | Kaso | match is faster |
| 22:32.03 | JoshBorke | and easier to understand :-D |
| 22:32.52 | Xuerian | JoshBorke: True, but Floyd has now learned how Select(...) works , and on top of that, how it properly works, which he would not have if I had used the match example <flex> |
| 22:33.32 | Floyd | :D |
| 22:33.59 | TC_Working | Xuerian is responsible for many a wet dream |
| 22:34.07 | TC_Working | there...happy accident |
| 22:34.11 | TC_Working | (s) |
| 22:34.13 | Xuerian | Damn straight <.< |
| 22:34.36 | TC_Working | heh |
| 22:36.00 | Tierrie|Work | wang |
| 22:36.06 | Xuerian | pwntang. |
| 22:36.24 | Tierrie|Work | pwnnanny |
| 22:36.44 | Xuerian | well played ¬.¬ |
| 22:36.56 | Cairenn | I see the maturity level is through the roof in here today ... |
| 22:37.03 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 22:37.05 | TC_Working | cept it sounded like you just powned a nanny.... |
| 22:37.06 | Tierrie|Work | hi cairenn! *hug* |
| 22:37.29 | Tierrie|Work | guys will be guys, sometimes when you're sitting down all the blood just goes elsewhere |
| 22:37.57 | Tierrie|Work | this is probably why guys don't blush |
| 22:38.14 | Xuerian | We do. It's just not always visible :D |
| 22:38.18 | Floyd | it wokrs thank you all |
| 22:38.32 | TC_Working | Xuerian, i think i could have done w/o that visual |
| 22:38.42 | Xuerian | I don't think you could have :( |
| 22:39.07 | Xuerian | Floyd: Glad it worked. JoshBorke was right too, (this:GetName()):match('(%d+)') would be simpler (and faster) |
| 22:39.11 | TC_Working | you may be right about that.....sadly |
| 22:44.04 | Floyd | how i make the text in the tooltip bold? |
| 22:44.14 | Neuro_Medivh | get it drunk |
| 22:44.44 | Kaso | im not sure you can make text bold can you? |
| 22:44.56 | JoshBorke | pretty sure you have to change the font object |
| 22:45.34 | Floyd | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_FontInstance_SetFont ? FontString:SetFont(_,_,"BOLD") ? |
| 22:46.13 | Floyd | attempt to call method SetFont (a nil value) :( |
| 22:48.11 | Kaso | firstly font and size are not opitional arguments |
| 22:48.44 | Floyd | oky |
| 22:48.47 | Kaso | you can do Button:GetTextFontObject() to get the fontstring you need to adjust |
| 22:50.23 | Floyd | with returns 3 values? font,size, flags? |
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| 22:51.56 | Kaso | That returns the actual FontString |
| 22:52.17 | Floyd | oky i will test it |
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| 23:11.23 | Tierrie|Work | use what Kaso said but modify the 3rd parameter |
| 23:11.29 | Floyd | kurze frage noch was soll local old = _G["QuestLogTitle"..QLT]:GetScript("OnLeave") bewirken? |
| 23:11.47 | Floyd | oh sorry english .. a litte questen .. what should be do this line: local old = _G["QuestLogTitle"..QLT]:GetScript("OnLeave") |
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| 23:14.15 | JoshBorke | that totally reminds me of german |
| 23:14.46 | zenzelezz | what a weird coincidence, it is |
| 23:14.47 | JoshBorke | Floyd: that is a way to hook the script that runs when teh mouse leaves the object |
| 23:15.10 | Floyd | what will be happen if i leave it away |
| 23:15.12 | Floyd | ? |
| 23:18.00 | Tierrie|Work | old be a function call o whatever GetScript() gets |
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| 23:43.45 | subbot | sume dude in my guild is tagged as a GM somehow |
| 23:43.47 | subbot | *some |
| 23:44.09 | Cairenn | o.O |
| 23:44.28 | subbot | apparently he had an item restored, and the restoration person forgot to clean up on his way out :p |
| 23:45.21 | Karrion | I've seen that happen |
| 23:45.45 | Karrion | an alliance guy got flagged GM and came over to Org and chatted with us Hordies |
| 23:46.42 | Kaso | subbot |
| 23:46.58 | Kaso | tell him to make a ticket and dont whatever he do claim to anyone he is a gm |
| 23:47.08 | subbot | yeah he's talking to a gm right now |
| 23:47.13 | Kaso | i know people being banned for running around with GM tags |
| 23:47.16 | Cairenn | good |
| 23:47.29 | Cairenn | (that he's talking with a GM) |
| 23:48.23 | Gnarfoz | they're not really giving accounts GM powers, switch into them, restore whatever, switch back out and unflag them? oO |
| 23:48.55 | Outlaw| | Not GM powers, just the tag |
| 23:48.58 | subbot | apparently he just has the tag |
| 23:49.29 | Gnarfoz | that's even weirder? ;> |
| 23:49.50 | Kaso | Sometimes when GMs log on to change items the tag doesnt go |
| 23:49.58 | Cairenn | As long as he doesn't, as Kaso said, claim to actually _be_ a GM or anything, it's not like he could get in trouble for it |
| 23:50.13 | Kaso | sometimes the are left with the ability to talk opposite faction |
| 23:53.35 | Kirkburn|afk | (just an interesting note - it seems to be confirmed - ATi's R600 has been delayed) |
| 23:57.08 | Kirkburn|afk | The UnderDev page is updated! http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/underdev/ |
| 23:57.22 | Kirkburn|afk | ILLIDAN :) |
| 23:58.31 | JoshBorke | nice |
| 23:58.41 | Kaso | nonlinear ^_- |
