| 00:02.38 | bleetah | PTR update patch now available |
| 00:05.13 | bleetah | build # is 6442 |
| 00:05.34 | cogwheel|work | still 0.0.10? |
| 00:05.36 | bleetah | still no realms to log in to, so can't test for the OpenGL bug yet |
| 00:05.38 | bleetah | cogwheel|work: yup |
| 00:09.43 | bleetah | I coulda sworn last time I tried patching I had to flip to NT mode, and it was only Cedega that had a 'fix' for it. Maybe I'm totally wrong, tho. But yeah, the PTR patched fine in XP mode on Wine. |
| 00:09.56 | dieck | Shirik: WorldMapFrame:IsVisible works perfectly, thanks again |
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| 00:10.04 | Shirik | no problem :) |
| 00:10.52 | MentalPower|Univ | maybe they improved their unsuported support :P |
| 00:11.47 | bleetah | MentalPower|Univ: well, I'm kinda hoping so. It was one of the 'intentions' I had when starting to improve the wowwiki linux page, and mnaking more noise on the forums, etc. ;) |
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| 00:12.20 | bleetah | I mean to say, I appreciate that they've done some stuff with the Wine folks, and Cedega, in the past.. jsut trying to make the 'solution' a bit more visible |
| 00:13.02 | bleetah | the fact that LOTRO won't party under Wine could, in theory at least, be a major + for WoW :) |
| 00:13.56 | MentalPower|Univ | LotRO also does not have modding capabilities as WoW does, or even as EQ does (yet) |
| 00:14.19 | bleetah | fwiw, the LOTRO failure looked very similar to the WAU failure I got |
| 00:14.34 | MentalPower|Univ | WAU? |
| 00:14.42 | bleetah | wow ace updater thingie |
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| 00:14.55 | MentalPower|Univ | .NET perhaps? |
| 00:14.59 | bleetah | yar |
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| 00:38.41 | Kaso | bleetah |
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| 00:42.18 | Kaso | Anyone have the new ptr build installed on their pc? |
| 00:42.39 | bleetah | yup |
| 00:42.42 | bleetah | no realm list yet |
| 00:43.12 | Kaso | can you check patch.txt for any changes to the priest section |
| 00:43.23 | Kaso | theres a rumor of changes in the new notes but im doubtful |
| 00:44.31 | bleetah | http://www.bleeter.org/wow/Patch_0.0.10.6442.html is the file from the patch |
| 00:44.44 | bleetah | Id dint' save the last patchnote or anything, too much hassle to do a diff myself |
| 00:44.51 | Kaso | Yah |
| 00:44.57 | Kaso | that has the "buff" in it |
| 00:45.58 | Kaso | Thanks Bleetah |
| 00:46.26 | bleetah | personally, I think what happens is that close to 'finalising' a patch, the notes are written up, and only change in extreme circumstances. that's to say, the notes are 'official' and serve as the benchmark to test against, thus they wouldn't change the notes unless something truly major got reworked. |
| 00:46.59 | bleetah | i'm only saying this 'coz of past 'experience' with Blizz patching, and my experience in working in a similar environment.. we never enjoyed changing official patchnotes, as it'd take an entire new round of testing ;) |
| 00:47.14 | bleetah | *take/require |
| 00:47.34 | bleetah | whereas slipping something in under the radar without updating the patchnotes bypasses most of the 'required' re-tests |
| 00:47.52 | bleetah | Kaso: np |
| 00:51.07 | haste | so they changed the cooldown from 20 to 15? |
| 00:51.21 | Nom- | VE Criticals we haxx |
| 00:51.25 | Nom- | *were |
| 00:51.42 | Kaso | Cooldown down to 15 and our "buff" is 33% less mana cost on CoH |
| 00:53.24 | bleetah | ah yes, now I really read it, the pally entry last time only had one line |
| 00:54.08 | bleetah | so yeah, new patchnotes :) |
| 00:54.39 | Kaso | Forbearance now reduces damage dealt by the affected player by 15%. oh man awesome! |
| 00:56.07 | zenzelezz | more HP from Commanding Shout :-o |
| 00:56.58 | bleetah | I wonder what the 'hidden' Hunter changes might be, if any |
| 00:57.24 | bleetah | anyways, gtg... ttfn |
| 00:57.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | did they mess with druid threat formulas? |
| 00:58.42 | Shirik | from what I hear |
| 00:58.42 | Shirik | yes |
| 00:58.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | since the last ptr build? |
| 00:58.58 | Shirik | er... that I'm not so sure about |
| 00:58.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | if so, then gloom and doom is no more |
| 00:59.11 | Shirik | I haven't been on the ptr I have no idea what it's like |
| 00:59.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh |
| 00:59.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | our threat got nerfed hardcore with bc, so we had to do dps to hold aggro |
| 00:59.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | and now that's nerfed :x |
| 01:00.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | so hopefully they'll fix the threat formula back |
| 01:06.34 | Nom- | Druid threat, eh? |
| 01:06.48 | Nom- | You mean you actually have to do something other than look fierce to hold aggro? :P |
| 01:07.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | we can't do anything to hold it now :[ |
| 01:07.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | except lacerate and there's so much immune to that it's not even funny |
| 01:08.16 | zenzelezz | it's no walk inthe park for warriors either, unless your group's DPS sucks |
| 01:08.34 | zenzelezz | in raids that is |
| 01:10.34 | haste | I have to say that I enjoy the druid dps nerf |
| 01:10.48 | haste | mostly because I don't see why they should be able to do 3600 mangle crits in bear form |
| 01:12.14 | Nom- | The onyl way I hold aggro on my pally is to Righteous Fury, Avenger's Shield, JotC, Blessing of Sanctuary, Seal of Righteousness, Holy Shield |
| 01:12.29 | Nom- | Then I can reasonably easily hold aggro on a single target |
| 01:12.44 | Shirik | we're talking feral druids here right? |
| 01:12.47 | Nom- | gotta keep renewing Holy Shield and SoR too |
| 01:13.07 | Nom- | So given that you just had to sit there and whack stuff before, you had it rather easy :) |
| 01:14.13 | Esamynn | I'm just not convinced the Bear armor nerf was needed |
| 01:14.20 | Nom- | lol |
| 01:14.48 | Nom- | You do realise that feral druids were chosen as tanks more often than warriors and paladins because they always had more armor :) |
| 01:15.05 | Nom- | A druid having more armor than the two plate wearing classes is haxx :( |
| 01:15.09 | Esamynn | yah, how much more? |
| 01:15.30 | Esamynn | enough to cancel out the 10% decrease the warriors get from defensive stance? |
| 01:15.34 | sancus | they have more armor because they can't parry or block |
| 01:15.36 | Esamynn | I seriously doubt it |
| 01:15.40 | Nom- | Yes |
| 01:15.48 | sancus | druids have better mitigation than defensive stance + armor alone |
| 01:15.56 | sancus | but no parry/block |
| 01:15.58 | Esamynn | I'm level 68 with 18k armor and my |
| 01:16.03 | Esamynn | DR is only 65% |
| 01:16.04 | Nom- | Many feral druids have enough armor to reach the mitigation cap |
| 01:16.05 | sancus | The armor nerf was because they were capping out mitigation in blues |
| 01:16.07 | sancus | which is nonsense |
| 01:16.21 | sancus | it's a pretty minor nerf, regardless |
| 01:16.24 | Esamynn | true |
| 01:16.27 | sancus | bear TANKING was hardly nerfed at all |
| 01:16.29 | zenzelezz | since BC, my warrior has doubled his health and only gotten about 2k more armor |
| 01:16.32 | zenzelezz | it's stupid |
| 01:16.33 | sancus | their absurd dps was nerfed, and deservedly so |
| 01:16.35 | Esamynn | were we capping it out in blues? |
| 01:16.54 | Esamynn | Mangle was nerfed |
| 01:16.57 | sancus | whether the whining about 'we can't hold aggro' is justified or not is debatable |
| 01:17.13 | Esamynn | their dps in general wasn't nerfed |
| 01:17.21 | sancus | bear dps was nerfed |
| 01:17.26 | Esamynn | just Mangle |
| 01:17.28 | sancus | by about 30% |
| 01:17.42 | sancus | what specific ability was nerfed is hardly relevant |
| 01:17.56 | Esamynn | it does if it's a 41 pt talent! |
| 01:18.22 | sancus | anyway |
| 01:18.28 | sancus | mangle wasn't the only thing nerfed |
| 01:18.35 | sancus | so I dunno why you're saying that |
| 01:18.51 | Esamynn | what else about dps was seriously nerfed? |
| 01:18.58 | sancus | savage fury and predatory instinct were also nerfed |
| 01:19.16 | sancus | everything contributes |
| 01:19.54 | Esamynn | oh jeez, I missed the Savage Fury nerf |
| 01:19.56 | Esamynn | ouch |
| 01:20.27 | sancus | like I said, overall dps is down by like 30-40% |
| 01:20.35 | sancus | which is a good thing |
| 01:20.38 | Nom- | in bear form? |
| 01:20.39 | sancus | because it was way way too high |
| 01:20.40 | sancus | yes |
| 01:20.46 | Nom- | Yeah, and? :) |
| 01:20.50 | sancus | they still outdamage prot tanks |
| 01:20.50 | Nom- | bear form = tank form |
| 01:20.52 | Esamynn | sancus: you're assuming every bear has Mangle :P |
| 01:20.54 | Nom- | cat form = dps form |
| 01:21.09 | Nom- | I doubt you outdamage a prot paladin |
| 01:21.09 | sancus | Nom: That's why it was nerfed |
| 01:21.14 | Nom- | but a prot warrior, sure |
| 01:21.19 | sancus | Nom: Because bears were competing with real dps classes WHILE TANKING |
| 01:21.27 | sancus | in raids |
| 01:21.39 | Esamynn | yah, that's not right |
| 01:21.58 | sancus | I'm assuming that if a druid is in bear form in a raid, they have mangle, yes |
| 01:22.08 | sancus | if they don't then it's pretty silly for them to be |
| 01:22.23 | JoshBorke | purl, hug Cairenn |
| 01:22.25 | purl | ACTION jumps into Cairenn's lap and huggles and *hugs* Cairenn |
| 01:22.32 | cladhaire | a druid bear without mangle can't hold aggro |
| 01:22.38 | JoshBorke | purl, hug cladhaire |
| 01:22.40 | purl | ACTION hugs cladhaire tightly until cladhaire turns slightly blue |
| 01:22.40 | Esamynn | oh? |
| 01:22.44 | cladhaire | not in a raid, no |
| 01:22.50 | Esamynn | ahh |
| 01:22.52 | sancus | tree druids in bear form for pvp stuff or w/e aren't really the issue |
| 01:22.57 | Esamynn | I haven't hit raids yet |
| 01:22.59 | cladhaire | mangle generates the most threat |
| 01:23.10 | Esamynn | I've been clinging to NS |
| 01:23.26 | Nom- | That's the harsh part about pallys imho |
| 01:23.32 | Nom- | We don't have anything that generates uber threat |
| 01:23.33 | sancus | before this patch |
| 01:23.37 | Nom- | We just have steady high threat output |
| 01:23.40 | sancus | I'd say clinging to NS would be silly |
| 01:23.41 | sancus | even for pvp |
| 01:23.43 | cladhaire | ... |
| 01:23.45 | sancus | mangle did such obscene damage |
| 01:23.47 | cladhaire | you do know that druids have no threat |
| 01:23.50 | Nom- | Warriors and Druids rely on actual specials |
| 01:23.55 | cladhaire | and by doing damage, that's the only way we generated threat? |
| 01:24.16 | Nom- | Yeah, but you do specials to generate that threat, whereas pally just auto-attacks :( |
| 01:24.21 | cladhaire | ... |
| 01:24.25 | cladhaire | if a pally is just auto attacking |
| 01:24.29 | cladhaire | they are a bad pally |
| 01:24.32 | Esamynn | then they suck |
| 01:24.37 | cladhaire | if you don't dance with seals and judgements, you shoudl be shot. |
| 01:24.43 | Nom- | SoR + Judgement doesn't count |
| 01:24.48 | Nom- | That's like second nature |
| 01:24.51 | cladhaire | .. |
| 01:24.58 | cladhaire | how's that different than us using maul and mangle? |
| 01:25.00 | cladhaire | at all? |
| 01:25.24 | sancus | pallies have the best multi-target threat |
| 01:25.29 | sancus | druids second best, prot warriors worst |
| 01:25.29 | cladhaire | now |
| 01:25.34 | sancus | no |
| 01:25.35 | sancus | even before |
| 01:25.36 | cladhaire | no |
| 01:25.43 | sancus | bear multi-target threat is limited to 3 mobs |
| 01:25.45 | cladhaire | you obviously didn't see swipe in its original incarnation |
| 01:25.45 | sancus | pallies are not |
| 01:25.47 | cladhaire | ... |
| 01:25.51 | cladhaire | three mobs per swipe |
| 01:25.54 | cladhaire | we can change targets you know |
| 01:26.11 | Esamynn | I've been clinging to Mangle because while I was on the beta I found myself constantly missing NS (now I didn't make it past 67 on beta) |
| 01:26.12 | sancus | Yeah I imagine the silly broken level of damage let you abuse that some |
| 01:26.18 | cladhaire | no its wasn't damage |
| 01:26.20 | cladhaire | it was threat |
| 01:26.21 | cladhaire | jesus |
| 01:26.21 | sancus | but that's probably one of the reasons they cut it so harshly |
| 01:26.23 | Esamynn | s/Mangle/NS/ |
| 01:26.25 | Nom- | pally multi-target tanking is overrated :) |
| 01:26.26 | sancus | er |
| 01:26.33 | sancus | damage = threat for a druid, as you just said |
| 01:26.36 | cladhaire | no |
| 01:26.37 | cladhaire | *soigh* |
| 01:26.40 | Nom- | I have extreme difficulty tanking split dps |
| 01:26.42 | cladhaire | you're talking about something you dont' understand |
| 01:26.47 | cladhaire | swipe used to have a multiplier for threat |
| 01:26.53 | Tain | YOU HAVE BEEN SOIGHED! |
| 01:26.55 | cladhaire | it was removed in 2.0.1 |
| 01:26.57 | sancus | er yes |
| 01:27.01 | sancus | back in the really silly days of druid threat |
| 01:27.04 | Nom- | But then I guess that's the point...split dps is nearly impossible to tank |
| 01:27.04 | cladhaire | before that point |
| 01:27.05 | Esamynn | yah, which *really* sucks |
| 01:27.06 | sancus | who was talking about 2.0.1 |
| 01:27.09 | cladhaire | no one could out multi-tank us. |
| 01:27.44 | sancus | why are you talking about the state of druids months ago?? |
| 01:27.44 | sancus | no one was talking about that, it's not relevant |
| 01:27.44 | cladhaire | sancus: even before |
| 01:27.44 | cladhaire | you said even before. |
| 01:27.44 | sancus | The threat multipliers that druids had were broken |
| 01:27.44 | cladhaire | not me. |
| 01:27.45 | sancus | that's why they were removed |
| 01:27.49 | sancus | even before 2.0.10 |
| 01:27.49 | Thrae | Our multi-tanking is a bit worse, but not *that* much worse. Swipe does not scale with attack power. |
| 01:28.03 | sancus | not even before some_miscellaneous_other_patch |
| 01:28.04 | Thrae | s/not/now/ |
| 01:28.09 | cladhaire | there is no 2.0.10 =) |
| 01:28.14 | cladhaire | i'm sorry to pick your shit apart |
| 01:28.16 | Thrae | Which is a bonus with the change in threat. |
| 01:28.21 | cladhaire | but i'd rather you havd the correct information =) |
| 01:28.26 | sancus | How is there no 2.0.10? |
| 01:28.26 | Thrae | Also, no one is has mentioned Lacerate. |
| 01:28.41 | sancus | 2.0.10 is what we've been talking about. |
| 01:28.43 | cladhaire | Thrae: You mean 90% of mobs immune to my moberate? |
| 01:28.50 | Thrae | Most people say Lacerate is crap, but I've heard and seen very succesful uses of it... |
| 01:28.58 | Thrae | cladhaire: Bah, it's not THAT many :D |
| 01:29.02 | cladhaire | sancus: .. where is 2.0.10.. the patch on the ptr is 2.1.0 |
| 01:29.04 | cladhaire | afaik |
| 01:29.22 | sancus | World of Warcraft PTR Patch 2.0.10 |
| 01:29.26 | sancus | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/patchnotes/test-realm-patchnotes.html |
| 01:29.33 | cladhaire | Fair enough |
| 01:29.42 | cladhaire | Esamynn: i wonder as well |
| 01:29.53 | zenzelezz | Esamynn: someone said 2.0.9 is Taiwan only |
| 01:30.00 | Esamynn | ahh |
| 01:30.04 | Esamynn | interesting |
| 01:30.26 | Nom- | They need to rename their patches |
| 01:30.31 | Esamynn | cladhaire: so you're telling me that if I think i'm going to tank in a raid, mange is pretty much required? |
| 01:30.33 | Nom- | 2.0.01 2.0.09 etc |
| 01:30.36 | Esamynn | mangle* |
| 01:30.45 | cladhaire | Esamynn: The armor is okay, but if its a threat sensitive situation, then yes. |
| 01:31.08 | Thrae | Esamynn: If you're going to main tank, most definately. You can probably skate off-tanking with less in Feral |
| 01:31.10 | cladhaire | and where you need to be in Kharazan, for example, where mobs are white hitting for 3k+ with 75% mitigation, heal aggro can outthreat you easily |
| 01:31.27 | sancus | what do you need NS for in raids anyway |
| 01:31.33 | cladhaire | its entirely situational, but what thrae said. |
| 01:31.38 | Esamynn | it's been handly while leveling ;) |
| 01:31.39 | cladhaire | you can drop NS |
| 01:31.46 | Thrae | I don't see a problem with requiring Mangle for Druid Main-tanking, it makes sense |
| 01:31.49 | cladhaire | if you really want oh-shit you want Swiftmend :P |
| 01:31.59 | Esamynn | yah well........... |
| 01:32.13 | Esamynn | after healing for more than 1.5 years, I'm up for a change ;) |
| 01:32.18 | cladhaire | =) |
| 01:32.23 | Esamynn | raid healing that is |
| 01:32.26 | cladhaire | ive got decent stats at the moment |
| 01:32.35 | Esamynn | thing is |
| 01:32.38 | cladhaire | 65% mitigation, 415 defense, 35 resilience and 16k health |
| 01:32.46 | Thrae | I dunno what I should do right now |
| 01:32.48 | Esamynn | pretty much every druid in my guild has decided they are gonna be feral! :/ |
| 01:33.11 | Thrae | I'm at 94% to Level 60, still at 59 right now...I'm owning in AB and WSG |
| 01:33.21 | Esamynn | hahaha |
| 01:34.03 | Thrae | I'll farm some more honour I guess, I have no hurry to get to 70 |
| 01:34.27 | Nom- | That's only because noone is level 60 any more, so they're all in the 60-69 or 70 BGs |
| 01:34.39 | Thrae | Exactly Nom- |
| 01:34.50 | Nom- | Bascially at 59, you're at the top of the food chain for BGs |
| 01:35.01 | Thrae | If I get up above 59, I'll have to deal with uberly-geared guys again |
| 01:35.17 | Thrae | And no PvP for me for a while, until 69 ;) |
| 01:35.25 | Nom- | Doesn't take that long |
| 01:35.34 | Nom- | I'm level 66 and i've slowed down my game time |
| 01:35.41 | Thrae | It does for me, hehe |
| 01:35.42 | Thrae | O |
| 01:35.43 | Nom- | That's 1-66 btw, rolled a pally in the xpac |
| 01:35.58 | Thrae | I've been playing for 1.5 years and just got to 59 last month |
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| 01:40.55 | Shikatanai | i have a level 70 blood elf mage and a level 70 night elf druid ;p |
| 01:41.14 | JoshBorke | no house again tonight :-( |
| 01:41.14 | Tain | Boys have a penis and girls have a vagina. |
| 01:41.21 | Tem|Work | I have a level 60 mage rotting |
| 01:41.22 | JoshBorke | what about tain? |
| 01:41.41 | Tain | The wonderful thing about Tain, is Tain is a wonderful thing. |
| 01:45.31 | Tem|Work | that sounds like a bender quote |
| 01:45.36 | Tem|Work | ~emulate bender |
| 01:45.47 | purl | Yeah, well I'm gonna build my own lunar space lander! With blackjack aaaaannd Hookers! Actually, forget the space lander, and the blackjack. Ahhhh forget the whole thing! |
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| 02:32.15 | MentalPower|Univ | does anyone know how to extract strings from a program's executable? |
| 02:32.30 | bleetah | get a *nix box! :P |
| 02:33.24 | Kirkburn | This is weird ... I'm playing my episodes of Family Guy ... as a slideshow :/ |
| 02:33.30 | Shirik | "extract strings from a program's executable" |
| 02:33.33 | Shirik | what are you looking for |
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| 02:34.29 | Shirik | quite literally, the program has the right to store strings anywhere inside the executable |
| 02:34.40 | Shirik | if you don't know what you're looking for, you won't find it |
| 02:34.54 | MentalPower|Univ | crap, if anyone answered, I didn't get it |
| 02:35.05 | Shirik | (21:33:34) (Shirik) "extract strings from a program's executable" |
| 02:35.05 | Shirik | (21:33:37) (Shirik) what are you looking for |
| 02:35.06 | Shirik | (21:33:45) -› Join: MentalPower|Univ (i=MPower@WoWUIDev/Norganna/Administrator/MentalPower) |
| 02:35.06 | Shirik | (21:33:45) -› ChanServ (+v) MentalPower|Univ |
| 02:35.06 | Shirik | (21:34:33) (Shirik) quite literally, the program has the right to store strings anywhere inside the executable |
| 02:35.09 | Tain | There are plenty of plain text strings in any EXE. Utilities like "strings" will show you. |
| 02:35.11 | Shirik | (21:34:44) (Shirik) if you don't know what you're looking for, you won't find it |
| 02:35.31 | Tain | It isn't about knowing what you're looking for, it's just showing you what is there in plain English. |
| 02:35.42 | Shirik | a string doesn't have to be english :P |
| 02:35.46 | Shirik | "$*!(%*#@%(@*#%" is a string |
| 02:36.11 | Shirik | all a string is is a sequence of ASCII characters followed by a null character (in most cases) |
| 02:36.15 | Kirkburn | Looks like a very long swear word to me |
| 02:36.18 | MentalPower|Univ | well, I have this game that I want to play again (Independence War) however the way I backed it up was to just copy the CD's contents |
| 02:36.30 | MentalPower|Univ | which works fine for installation, but fails for playing |
| 02:36.47 | MentalPower|Univ | so I'm trying to find out the name it expects on the CD |
| 02:36.57 | Shirik | mmm |
| 02:37.05 | MentalPower|Univ | (note this game is rather old) |
| 02:37.09 | Shirik | you could use a hex editor... I've never used this "strings" utility Tain's talking about |
| 02:37.12 | bleetah | woot, opengl is fixed in the new ptr :D |
| 02:37.15 | Kirkburn | So not Idenpedence War II? |
| 02:37.21 | MentalPower|Univ | no, the original |
| 02:37.22 | Kirkburn | *Inde |
| 02:37.42 | Kirkburn | Darn, I only see the sequel on GameCopyWorld |
| 02:37.51 | MentalPower|Univ | yeah, already tried that :) |
| 02:37.59 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 02:38.17 | bleetah | strings is a *nix command |
| 02:38.21 | MentalPower|Univ | the other thing I know is that it was compiled with MS's Visual C++ |
| 02:38.24 | Shirik | never used it |
| 02:38.40 | bleetah | STRINGS(1) GNU Development Tools STRINGS(1) |
| 02:38.41 | bleetah | NAME |
| 02:38.41 | bleetah | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:39.04 | Shirik | interesting |
| 02:39.08 | Tain | Just get a Windows compiled version. |
| 02:39.24 | bleetah | aye, cygwin should work |
| 02:39.36 | Tain | There's even pretty ones with GUIs and other such nonsense. |
| 02:41.08 | bleetah | you mean, for people who can't pipe to a text file? |
| 02:41.11 | bleetah | the horror! |
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| 02:44.23 | bleetah | Shirik: you are correct, of course. "^&%&^@#" is a string, however it's obviously of very little use. or example, here's some 'strings' from the current WoW PTR client. t#Ht jPhPV SSSSSSj &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& UNIT_SPELLCAST_FAILED PPPPPPPP |
| 02:45.19 | Shirik | heh |
| 02:45.19 | Shirik | You can now enter SSSSSSj level 5? |
| 02:45.19 | Shirik | power up character |
| 02:46.49 | bleetah | in total, there's 24444 strings. and most of them are 'junk' ;) |
| 02:47.15 | Shirik | well they must mean /something/ :P |
| 02:47.24 | Shirik | or eventually mean something given they're uninitialized |
| 02:47.27 | bleetah | curiously, live has 24558 strings |
| 02:47.33 | Shirik | thus meaning the absence of something |
| 02:47.52 | Shirik | and the absence of something is still something, right? |
| 02:48.32 | bleetah | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:48.40 | bleetah | (I wasn't scanning *all* the file, either) |
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| 03:05.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | aiee |
| 03:05.58 | Shirik | aiee? |
| 03:06.06 | Shirik | you just did a rm -r / didn't you |
| 03:06.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | i finally started playing on the ptr and went from "likely quitting" to "canceling" in a few minutes |
| 03:06.24 | Shirik | lol |
| 03:06.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | bear form hits like a level 50 prot warrior with a 1her now |
| 03:06.30 | MentalPower|Univ | if you want any indication as to how old this game is, it uses 3dfx Glide for its 3D acceleration and DirectX for everything else |
| 03:07.56 | bleetah | ahh, thems were the day ;) |
| 03:08.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | Starsiege: Tribes looked amazing in glide |
| 03:09.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | sitll does look pretty for its age |
| 03:12.18 | Kolth | People still play Tribes? |
| 03:12.28 | Nom- | Sadly, I believe so |
| 03:12.33 | Kolth | nice hehe |
| 03:13.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | i gotta find something to do with all this free time i'm gonna have |
| 03:13.14 | Kolth | Level my WoW chars. |
| 03:13.18 | Shirik | lol |
| 03:13.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | pay me and i'll bot em :p |
| 03:13.31 | Shirik | I think the whole point was he wanted to get away from wow |
| 03:13.36 | Kolth | haha |
| 03:14.02 | JoshBorke | i gotta say, this is fugly |
| 03:15.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | My bear form hits weaker now than it did in november :[ |
| 03:16.53 | JoshBorke | :-( |
| 03:17.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | my mauls crit for 800 now, and they were critting for ~1000 pre 2.0 |
| 03:20.12 | Shirik | ouch |
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| 03:22.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | the feral weapon doesn't go up as we level from 60-70 like it did from 1-60 for some reason :/ |
| 03:23.28 | WobWork | Y'know, I wish the command line in WoW was more responsive |
| 03:23.42 | Shirik | what do you mean? |
| 03:23.43 | WobWork | I'd do so much more in the command line if it were a bit snappier |
| 03:24.09 | WobWork | I can type a whole lot fairly quickly, but the lag the editbox gives often makes me mistype |
| 03:24.11 | JoshBorke | WobWork: how's splut coming? |
| 03:24.20 | WobWork | JB haven't had a chance to work on it |
| 03:24.49 | WobWork | I need to change the buttons to reposition themselves on state change/show |
| 03:24.57 | WobWork | Almost have it working as a base object |
| 03:25.17 | WobWork | Working on WMC concurrently though, cause that will help in debugging =) |
| 03:25.51 | JoshBorke | yea, that's what clicked earlier |
| 03:26.48 | WobWork | clicked? |
| 03:26.48 | Mike-N-Go | Anyone know of a Postini? |
| 03:26.48 | WobWork | Is that a pasta? |
| 03:26.56 | JoshBorke | that you were using WMC to make splut |
| 03:26.58 | WobWork | hehe yeah =) |
| 03:27.56 | Kolth | Did Blizzard remove the ability to Inspect from long range? |
| 03:28.00 | Kolth | (I've been gone for a year) |
| 03:28.09 | WobWork | yeah |
| 03:28.10 | JoshBorke | Kolth: yep |
| 03:28.16 | Kolth | WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY |
| 03:28.16 | Mike-N-Go | No.. |
| 03:28.18 | WobWork | nono |
| 03:28.21 | WobWork | it's WRRRRYYYY |
| 03:28.25 | Kolth | oh |
| 03:28.35 | Mike-N-Go | It is someting that may filter Good Add spam and such from mail. |
| 03:28.38 | Kolth | So now I have to awkwardly run up to people? |
| 03:28.45 | WobWork | and hug them |
| 03:28.54 | WobWork | and feel them up for their equipment |
| 03:28.55 | Kolth | Just a few seconds ago I had to run around some guy. |
| 03:28.57 | Kolth | He stopped. |
| 03:29.00 | Kolth | Was like, 'wtf' |
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| 03:32.12 | Shirik | isn't PlayerFrame supposed to be secure >.> |
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| 03:34.00 | Shadowed | Cairenn: Mind approving nameplates quickly? |
| 03:36.52 | bleetah | Shadowed: I think Cairenn may have been afk today, going to the doc's |
| 03:37.08 | Shadowed | her name lies then! |
| 03:37.32 | bleetah | I think it's more like timeout connection, reconnections etc. |
| 03:37.48 | Shadowed | lies! |
| 03:39.07 | bleetah | heh, the main australian online sharebroker webservers have collapsed, to various degrees. |
| 03:40.13 | WobWork | whyso? |
| 03:40.37 | bleetah | asian markets are down 4-5% |
| 03:40.54 | bleetah | on top of Europe/US drops yesterday.. it's a bit.. hectic |
| 03:41.13 | bleetah | http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42622000/jpg/_42622085_asx203ap.jpg |
| 03:41.29 | bleetah | story details : http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/6402915.stm |
| 03:44.15 | WobWork | yow |
| 03:45.18 | bleetah | aye, and my mum wanted me to do some buying/selling for her... so I thought I better show her the news reports first ;) |
| 03:45.39 | WobWork | That single image says it all =) |
| 03:46.13 | Nom- | lol i love misleading graphs like that |
| 03:46.14 | WobWork | Property investment looks more and more promising =P |
| 03:46.15 | Nom- | Everyone is like OMG SUCH A MASSIVE DROP |
| 03:46.16 | WobWork | On such a tiny scale =) |
| 03:46.18 | Nom- | then you realise it's gone from 5975 to 5775 |
| 03:46.21 | bleetah | Nom-: it's only misleading if it's taken out of context. the context is what happened at the start of trading today |
| 03:46.21 | WobWork | 5 POINTS |
| 03:46.35 | WobWork | ie, omg DROP |
| 03:50.01 | bleetah | more accurate chart http://www.asx.com.au/asx/widget/MarketWatchAustraliaChart.jsp?asxCode=XJO&width=630&height=240 |
| 03:50.14 | Cairenn | one never knows if I am actually here or not - helps make sure you guys behave :p |
| 03:50.41 | bleetah | I always behave for you, Cairenn.. 'cept when you ask me not to ;) :-P |
| 03:54.14 | bleetah | hey, if anyone here is on the PTR, and just asked a gnome mage for gold... I'm gunna ... blow yer brains out with my Goblin Rocket Helmet 'Flintlocke style' |
| 03:54.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | always watching |
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| 03:55.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | i just bought 4 epic flying mounts and tested them out on the ptr before logging off and deciding i'm canceling |
| 03:56.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | so i burned like 6500g for testing out |
| 03:56.38 | hatado | Omg im such a noob.... anyway.. do people in this channel help out noob addon creators? I know.. im dumb |
| 03:56.48 | Shirik | heh |
| 03:56.52 | Shirik | what do you need hun? |
| 03:56.55 | Thunder_Child | they help out seasoned creators as well |
| 03:56.59 | hatado | ok cool |
| 03:57.20 | Shirik | except someone just took our flag so give me a sec >< |
| 03:57.28 | Shirik | stupid rogues |
| 03:57.44 | hatado | I need help with the .toc file of the test mod im making.. it says incompatable even though it is set to interface: 20003 |
| 03:57.58 | hatado | O_o |
| 03:58.22 | Shirik | erm |
| 03:58.29 | hatado | I JUST started the modding business |
| 03:58.32 | Shirik | did you completely exit out of wow? |
| 03:58.36 | hatado | yes |
| 03:58.36 | Shirik | after changing the toc id? |
| 03:58.40 | hatado | yes |
| 03:58.51 | Shirik | the current interface number is indeed 20003 |
| 03:59.07 | Shirik | paste your TOC file code at http://wowi.pastey.net then give me the link |
| 03:59.12 | bleetah | so it matches, character for character, the following: ## Interface: 20003 |
| 03:59.21 | hatado | yes |
| 03:59.24 | bleetah | yeah, better to pastey it |
| 03:59.32 | hatado | hehe |
| 04:00.21 | Shirik | oh by the way, never be afraid to ask for help |
| 04:00.36 | bleetah | be afraid to ask for gold, tho |
| 04:00.39 | Shirik | you should only expect hostility when you aren't willing to learn from the question you ask |
| 04:00.46 | hatado | ty guys |
| 04:01.10 | hatado | umm I had a space after the word "interface" sooo "interface : 20003" lol ty bleetah |
| 04:01.15 | Thunder_Child | and be afraid of tain |
| 04:01.26 | Shirik | Yeah it's extremely specific |
| 04:01.29 | hatado | wierd |
| 04:01.32 | bleetah | Thunder_Child: is "terrified" permissible? |
| 04:01.34 | Shirik | it works now? |
| 04:01.47 | hatado | it say its compatable |
| 04:01.51 | hatado | ill see if it works |
| 04:01.54 | Thunder_Child | completely Bleeter |
| 04:01.58 | Thunder_Child | completely Bleetea* |
| 04:02.02 | bleetah | k, i'll be there then :) |
| 04:02.05 | Thunder_Child | completely Bleetah** |
| 04:03.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | going to bed pissed off again, i gotta stop doing that |
| 04:03.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | because i wake up with the rage of a thousand viking berserkers |
| 04:03.35 | Shirik | heh |
| 04:03.52 | hatado | XD |
| 04:05.07 | hatado | ok.. now It won't load... how do I make it start upon loading? |
| 04:05.11 | hatado | im dumb |
| 04:05.30 | Thunder_Child | saying stuff like that isnt helpfull |
| 04:05.31 | Shirik | It loaded for sure; it just may not be coded to actually run anything on load |
| 04:05.36 | Thunder_Child | to us or to you |
| 04:05.42 | hatado | umm sorry |
| 04:05.58 | Shirik | let's see what you have so far |
| 04:05.59 | hatado | is there a short code you can tell me that does that? |
| 04:06.31 | Thunder_Child | i am just trying to say, dont be so hard on yourself....trust me, if you are being stupid we will tell you about it....well that or join you :) |
| 04:06.40 | hatado | lol |
| 04:07.01 | Shirik | paste your code, so we can see what you have |
| 04:07.08 | hatado | .xml or .lua? |
| 04:07.14 | Karrion | hatado: what exactly is it supposed to do, that it isn't doing? |
| 04:07.28 | Shirik | might as well be both - and yes, what are you expecting it to do? |
| 04:07.49 | hatado | its just the tutorial mod "simple" I think I messed something up |
| 04:07.55 | hatado | function Simple_ButtonClick() |
| 04:07.57 | hatado | err |
| 04:08.02 | hatado | dumb luaedit |
| 04:08.33 | hatado | umm afk |
| 04:10.33 | hatado | ok back |
| 04:11.09 | hatado | gah just a sec.. gotta get a new mirc |
| 04:11.34 | Shirik | ok so I just saw a commercial for Diddy Kong DS |
| 04:11.38 | Shirik | Diddy Kong Racing * |
| 04:11.54 | Shirik | is it just me or is like all of the DS games simply a ported version of N64 games? |
| 04:12.00 | Shirik | because it seems _exactly_ the same |
| 04:12.10 | hatado | it basicly is |
| 04:12.20 | bleetah | thanks for remiding me, I should have permission to buy the stuff to make my DS a linux terminal this week :) |
| 04:12.26 | bleetah | yeah, largely it is |
| 04:12.35 | Shirik | what purpose could that possibly serve >< |
| 04:12.38 | bleetah | kinda a gameboy/n64 hybrid, kinda not |
| 04:13.13 | bleetah | cheapest wireless ssh client/portable DVD player/game platform available ;) |
| 04:13.20 | Shirik | wow |
| 04:13.25 | Shirik | portable, wirless ssh client |
| 04:13.29 | Shirik | that's awesome |
| 04:14.46 | bleetah | bucketload cheaper than a laptop and a bit more versatile |
| 04:15.42 | hatado | ok brb |
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| 04:16.21 | hatado | ok you guys still willing to help me? |
| 04:17.01 | hatado | with.. my addon prob |
| 04:18.27 | Shirik | yeah of course |
| 04:18.30 | Shirik | post your code though |
| 04:18.44 | hatado | in pastey |
| 04:19.19 | hatado | http://wowi.pastey.net/7336 my lua |
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| 04:20.22 | hatado | http://wowi.pastey.net/7337 my xml |
| 04:20.57 | Shirik | line 15 of your xml has a typo |
| 04:21.05 | scotepi | hey, how can i have /castsquence and have only one of spells cast if it have [pet:imp] or how can i do 2 sequences.. 1 if true else do the 2nd |
| 04:21.12 | hatado | umm I see that typo now |
| 04:21.34 | Shirik | scotepi: /castsequence [pet:imp] imp1, imp2; noimp1, noimp2 |
| 04:21.34 | Shirik | etc |
| 04:21.50 | hatado | see any other errors? |
| 04:21.51 | scotepi | thanks |
| 04:22.01 | Shirik | well that's not the cause of your problem |
| 04:22.04 | Shirik | it's just something I caught |
| 04:22.23 | Shirik | lines 51-53 |
| 04:22.31 | Shirik | Lua/XML is _case sensitive_ |
| 04:22.46 | Shirik | </script> does NOT terminate <Script> |
| 04:22.51 | hatado | ohh duh |
| 04:23.02 | Shirik | ok now tell me |
| 04:23.05 | Shirik | what is this supposed to do? |
| 04:23.31 | hatado | I just followed a tutorial... I understand how things work.. just typos I guess.. |
| 04:23.41 | hatado | I will figure out waht it does in a sec |
| 04:23.44 | hatado | .... |
| 04:24.00 | scotepi | w00t i got back semi automated casting!!! /castsequence [pet:imp] SB, SB, SB, SB, Dark Pact; SB!! |
| 04:24.19 | Shirik | don't know what that means but grats |
| 04:24.26 | Shirik | hatado: Try to answer this one |
| 04:24.26 | hatado | lol why can't they just do automated? |
| 04:24.36 | Shirik | How can you know it's not working.... if you don't know what it's supposed to do? |
| 04:24.54 | scotepi | ui restrictions /cry |
| 04:24.58 | hatado | its supposed to open a window.. lol and it does something in that window.. its not showing window.. |
| 04:25.03 | hatado | sorry for acting noobish |
| 04:25.18 | Shirik | I'm not trying to degrade you I'm just asking provocative questions |
| 04:25.28 | hatado | ok |
| 04:25.48 | Shirik | so then |
| 04:25.51 | Shirik | you don't see the frame appear? |
| 04:26.15 | hatado | right |
| 04:26.19 | hatado | still nothing |
| 04:26.22 | Shirik | Perhaps try again - the fact that th.. ok |
| 04:26.28 | Shirik | do you get any errors? |
| 04:26.37 | hatado | nope |
| 04:26.42 | hatado | just no opening |
| 04:26.58 | Shirik | your uh.... |
| 04:27.09 | Shirik | schema location is wrong I'm pretty sure |
| 04:27.23 | hatado | my whaty? lol |
| 04:27.26 | Shirik | I don't know if that actually affects how the file is parsed... but it's wrong |
| 04:27.30 | Shirik | lines 2-3 |
| 04:27.40 | Shirik | oh |
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| 04:27.43 | Shirik | paste your toc file too please |
| 04:27.49 | hatado | ok just a sec |
| 04:28.10 | hatado | ## Interface: 20003 |
| 04:28.11 | hatado | ## Name: Simple |
| 04:28.11 | hatado | ## Notes: A very 'simple' add-on. |
| 04:28.11 | hatado | ## Author: me |
| 04:28.11 | hatado | Simple.xml |
| 04:28.14 | PProvost | Evening all |
| 04:28.36 | Shirik | and your xml file is called Simple.xml? |
| 04:28.42 | Shirik | evening |
| 04:28.47 | hatado | yes |
| 04:28.58 | hatado | its just testing my knowlage |
| 04:30.01 | hatado | whats the line 2-3 supposed to be? |
| 04:30.15 | Shirik | sec :P |
| 04:30.19 | hatado | ok |
| 04:31.00 | Karrion | hatado: does anything happen if you load it up and type "/script SimpleFrame:Show()" (without the quotes) in the chat box? |
| 04:31.27 | hatado | haven't tried |
| 04:31.35 | Karrion | so try it ;-) |
| 04:31.41 | hatado | umm good idea lol |
| 04:32.26 | Shirik | is this really how your file looks? without any tabs or anything? |
| 04:33.09 | hatado | error alert |
| 04:33.13 | hatado | Date: 2007-02-27 22:34:29ID: 19Error occured in: GlobalCount: 1Message: [string "SimpleFrame:Show()"] line 1: attempt to index global 'SimpleFrame' (a nil value)Debug: [C]: ? [string "SimpleFrame:Show()"]:1: in main chunk [C]: RunScript() ..\FrameXML\ChatFrame.lua:1855: value() ..\FrameXML\ChatFrame.lua:3094: ChatEdit_ParseText() ..\FrameXML\ChatFrame.lua:2821: ChatEdit_SendText() ..\FrameXML\ChatFrame.lua:2842: ChatEdit_ |
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| 04:35.10 | Karrion | ok good, that narrows down the problem a little, since 'SimpleFrame' is a nil value, it means that your XML must not parse correctly |
| 04:35.22 | Shirik | it doesn't |
| 04:35.25 | Shirik | I'm trying to make sense of it now |
| 04:35.32 | Shirik | something's wrong somewhere |
| 04:35.36 | hatado | ... |
| 04:35.53 | Shirik | I've updated it slightly to make it more legible: http://wowi.pastey.net/7339 |
| 04:35.59 | Shirik | also highlighted a suspicious line |
| 04:36.40 | hatado | yeah just changed that line to C:\Program Files\World of Warcraft\Blizzard Interface Data (enUS)\FrameXML\UI.xsd"> also |
| 04:37.23 | scotepi | whats the line refer to? |
| 04:37.29 | hatado | no clue |
| 04:37.37 | Karrion | aha, missing </Backdrop> |
| 04:37.42 | hatado | where? |
| 04:38.03 | haste | scotepi: it refers to the XML schema definition |
| 04:38.05 | Shirik | that's it |
| 04:38.12 | Karrion | not 100% sure, _probably_ line 26 |
| 04:38.13 | hatado | I see |
| 04:38.26 | Shirik | that's my guess as well |
| 04:38.54 | hatado | or should I put <Backdrop bgFile="Interface\TutorialFrame\TutorialFrameBackground" |
| 04:38.55 | Karrion | (I presume the Layers don't belong inside the Backdrop) |
| 04:38.55 | hatado | egdeFile="Interface\DialogFrame\UI-DialogBox-Border" tile="true"> |
| 04:38.56 | scotepi | but i dont have that file... is it something hiding inside a mpq? |
| 04:39.01 | hatado | umm darn bugs |
| 04:39.10 | hatado | a /> after "true" |
| 04:39.29 | hatado | yes actually scotepi |
| 04:39.56 | hatado | it comes visable after downloading something from the wow website |
| 04:40.24 | Karrion | no I think the EdgeSize, TileSize and BackgroundInsets should be inside the Backdrop, so try inserting </Backdrop> on line 26 and see what happens |
| 04:40.42 | hatado | ok |
| 04:41.22 | hatado | ok it works now XD |
| 04:41.23 | hatado | ty |
| 04:41.34 | Karrion | no problem ;-) |
| 04:41.48 | hatado | usless mod hehe (tutorial said it would be too) |
| 04:41.54 | hatado | just did it to learn |
| 04:42.37 | Karrion | as for schema location, http://www.blizzard.com/wow/FrameXMLUI.xsd seems to work for me |
| 04:43.08 | hatado | aight |
| 04:43.25 | Karrion | s/XMLUI/XML\/UI/ |
| 04:43.27 | Shirik | I don't actually think that impacts the operation of the addon at all |
| 04:43.37 | hatado | me either .. just should have right just in case |
| 04:43.59 | Shirik | but... it's "technically" required for anyone who wants to figure out what it means, based on the technical definition |
| 04:44.14 | Karrion | bah purl is slow... there should be a slash between "XML" and "UI" in that location |
| 04:44.34 | hatado | I thought so lol |
| 04:44.42 | Shirik | (23:44:39) [CTCP: purl] PING |
| 04:44.43 | Shirik | (23:44:40) [CTCP 1172637879 reply from purl]: |
| 04:44.44 | Shirik | o.o |
| 04:45.17 | Karrion | hmm, maybe purl just doesn't get the escaping of the slash in the replacement text |
| 04:45.41 | Shirik | test |
| 04:45.48 | Shirik | s/test/te\/st/ |
| 04:45.56 | Shirik | s/test/test2/ |
| 04:46.03 | Shirik | yeah I think so |
| 04:46.15 | Karrion | silly purl |
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| 04:49.08 | Shirik | hrm |
| 04:49.13 | hatado | ok another dumb question.. how do I create a slash command to open a mod I make? |
| 04:49.18 | Shirik | visual studio crashed when I tried to load the xsd :P |
| 04:50.19 | Shirik | slash commands |
| 04:50.40 | Shirik | http://wowwiki.com/HOWTO:_Create_a_Slash_Command |
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| 04:50.50 | hatado | i tired.. made NO sence |
| 04:50.55 | hatado | tried* |
| 04:51.02 | Shirik | what did you try? |
| 04:51.18 | hatado | that site.. I didnt' understand it |
| 04:52.43 | Shirik | ok let's approach this from a different angle... what do you /want/ to happen? |
| 04:53.08 | hatado | I want to be able to type /xeek and it opens a mod I am working on as we speak |
| 04:53.14 | hatado | the frame |
| 04:53.25 | Shirik | ok do you understand what a "function" is? |
| 04:53.34 | hatado | sorta? |
| 04:53.42 | hatado | like OnLoad |
| 04:53.42 | Shirik | define it for me |
| 04:53.50 | hatado | lol I knew you would say taht |
| 04:54.17 | hatado | I just know examples |
| 04:54.18 | Shirik | ok so that's problem #1 |
| 04:54.31 | hatado | lol |
| 04:54.53 | Shirik | the examples aren't really going to make much sense unless you have a basic understanding of programming in general and Lua. |
| 04:54.56 | Shirik | hmmm |
| 04:55.10 | hatado | function = how something works? |
| 04:55.44 | Shirik | a function is essentially a block of code that can be run |
| 04:55.49 | hatado | ahh |
| 04:56.05 | hatado | like a procces |
| 04:56.18 | hatado | or however you spell it |
| 04:56.35 | Shirik | go to that wowwiki page I referenced earlier |
| 04:56.58 | hatado | im there |
| 04:57.03 | Shirik | in the first block there, we make a function called "MyAddon_OnUpdate" |
| 04:57.10 | Shirik | no |
| 04:57.12 | Shirik | MyScript_Command |
| 04:57.44 | hatado | so function MyScript_Command |
| 04:57.48 | Shirik | inside is the block of code (which happens to be only one line) |
| 04:58.24 | Shirik | now.... we also, when we "call" it (ask it to be run), we give it one value (which is indicated by the variable "cmd") |
| 04:58.45 | Shirik | so... when we do something like... MyScript_Command("hello"); |
| 04:58.49 | Shirik | What gets run is |
| 04:59.02 | Shirik | DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage("Command: " .. "hello"); |
| 04:59.32 | Shirik | er... afk for just a quick second |
| 04:59.35 | hatado | ok |
| 05:01.14 | Shirik | in the meantime check this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Function_%28programming%29 |
| 05:04.23 | Shirik | awesome |
| 05:04.30 | Shirik | my parents sent me a ton of chocolates for valentines day |
| 05:04.35 | Shirik | two weeks late but no matter :P |
| 05:04.38 | hatado | cool :D |
| 05:04.55 | Shirik | ok so now that you know what a function is... |
| 05:05.13 | Shirik | what did you want to do exactly when you run the slash command? |
| 05:05.30 | hatado | Open a fram |
| 05:05.32 | hatado | frame |
| 05:05.38 | Shirik | ok do you know how to open a frame? |
| 05:05.59 | hatado | <Frame name="SimpleFrame" parent="UIParent" visible="true"> |
| 05:06.20 | Karrion | not quite |
| 05:06.23 | hatado | doh |
| 05:06.28 | Karrion | hint: look back at what I said earlier ;-) |
| 05:06.31 | hatado | im just new |
| 05:06.48 | Karrion | that's ok, we were all new once |
| 05:07.12 | hatado | what did you say earleier? lol |
| 05:08.00 | Shirik | what you typed in earlier |
| 05:08.03 | Shirik | that got the error? |
| 05:08.14 | hatado | OHHHH |
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| 05:08.29 | Shirik | does anyone know what kellogg's "yogos" are? |
| 05:09.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | terrible |
| 05:09.19 | hatado | umm /script SimpleFrame:Show() |
| 05:09.23 | bleetah | I was never new, I'm the eternal grumpy old fart |
| 05:09.32 | Shirik | lol |
| 05:09.34 | Shirik | ok |
| 05:09.39 | Shirik | so SimpleFrame:Show() |
| 05:10.04 | Shirik | we need that to happen every time they time the slash command |
| 05:10.20 | hatado | mmhmm |
| 05:10.22 | Shirik | so we're going to make a function to do that |
| 05:10.26 | Shirik | try to make one |
| 05:11.20 | hatado | just a sec lol like taking a test |
| 05:11.50 | Karrion | yeah we make you work for you knowledge around here |
| 05:11.57 | Karrion | it's the best way for you to learn ;-) |
| 05:12.12 | hatado | omg... this is hard... |
| 05:12.48 | hatado | ok I give.. |
| 05:12.51 | hatado | tell me |
| 05:13.45 | Shirik | none of that now |
| 05:13.55 | Shirik | you won't learn if I give you the answer without you making an attempt |
| 05:14.00 | hatado | ok .. |
| 05:14.02 | Shirik | you have the WoWWiki page for the slash commands right? |
| 05:14.07 | hatado | yes |
| 05:14.08 | Shirik | at the top there's a function |
| 05:14.13 | hatado | ok |
| 05:14.19 | Shirik | you're essentially doing the same thing |
| 05:14.36 | Shirik | on a completely unrelated note - is anyone here familiar (at least partially) with .NET and/or MFC? |
| 05:14.50 | cogwheel | only vaguely... |
| 05:15.04 | Shirik | I'm much more familiar with MFC... just really started .NET |
| 05:15.20 | Shirik | well... more importantly... can you mix the two? |
| 05:15.44 | hatado | function MyScript_Command(SimpleFrame:Show()) DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage(Command: " .. SimpleFrame:Show()); |
| 05:15.51 | hatado | right? |
| 05:16.11 | Shirik | hmmm maybe I went about that the wrong way |
| 05:16.14 | hatado | lol darn |
| 05:16.20 | Shirik | let me give you a sample function |
| 05:16.34 | hatado | im just using defaults |
| 05:16.40 | cogwheel | in one app, i don't think so, but i'm pretty sure you can use libraries made in either from either... |
| 05:17.25 | hatado | Have to switch comps real soon |
| 05:18.59 | Shirik | yeah that's kinda what I did cog >< but I'm coming up with problems |
| 05:19.21 | Shirik | namely, CFile::Open() is what I'm trying to use, which takes a char*, but... I have a System::String from my open file box |
| 05:19.32 | Shirik | and I can't figure out how to convert a System::String to a char* |
| 05:19.35 | Shirik | hatado: http://wowi.pastey.net/7340?lang=lua |
| 05:19.55 | Shirik | At the top is a function I made. It simply adds 2 to a value you give it |
| 05:19.59 | Shirik | At the bottom is 3 samples |
| 05:20.15 | Shirik | note: anything starting with a -- is a "comment" (it isn't code, it's just there so you can understand it) |
| 05:20.38 | hatado | right.. I get that much .. |
| 05:20.48 | Shirik | ok so |
| 05:21.02 | Shirik | ignore all that DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME crap that we had in the WoWWiki article |
| 05:21.09 | hatado | OH |
| 05:21.09 | Shirik | we're making a completely new function |
| 05:21.13 | hatado | I see |
| 05:21.27 | cogwheel | does System.String have a method that returns a cstring? |
| 05:21.38 | hatado | umm brb.. plz hold on |
| 05:21.45 | hatado | gotta switch comps |
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| 05:25.07 | Shirik | It has something like ToCharArray, which returns an array of characters but I get some strange error message.. hang on |
| 05:25.33 | Shirik | also it has a ToString which returns a System::String which is completely useless >< |
| 05:25.59 | cogwheel | ToCharArray returns a unicode string so you'd have to either convert it to ascii or compile your MFC program with unicode support |
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| 05:26.19 | hatado | zomg sorry bout that |
| 05:26.19 | Shirik | right that's what I thought... |
| 05:26.58 | Shirik | so I did (char*)(filename->ToCharArray()) |
| 05:27.08 | hatado | ok .. back to the slash commands when possible |
| 05:27.46 | Shirik | and I get "Cannot convert from '__wchar_t __gc[]' to 'LPCTSTR': Can only convert a __gc array to or from Object * or Array * |
| 05:28.05 | Shirik | ok hatado do you have a function for me? |
| 05:28.17 | hatado | umm |
| 05:28.25 | hatado | i must really be annoying you |
| 05:28.33 | hatado | but no |
| 05:28.49 | Shirik | you're not annoying me, but if you haven't figured it out yet, I'm not going to write the code for you :P |
| 05:28.57 | hatado | I know lol |
| 05:29.51 | Shirik | you have about as simple as a function gets : http://wowi.pastey.net/7340?lang=lua |
| 05:29.51 | Shirik | (00:21:14) (hatado) OH |
| 05:29.51 | Shirik | (00:21:14) (Shirik) we're making a completely new function |
| 05:29.51 | Shirik | (00:21:18) (hatado) I see |
| 05:29.52 | Shirik | it sounded like you understood... what does "OH" mean |
| 05:29.52 | hatado | lol yeah I did sorta |
| 05:29.53 | cogwheel | Shirik: /shrug... that's about the extent of my ideas... |
| 05:30.03 | Shirik | it's ok thanks cog ^^; |
| 05:30.13 | Shirik | I think the problem comes from I shouldn't be mixing MFC and .NET |
| 05:30.14 | hatado | I knew that I was doing something wrong and that we where changeing it basicly |
| 05:30.50 | Shirik | ok, modify my function to instead, do a whateveritwas:Show() |
| 05:30.59 | sstixrud | anyone know how to blink a frame/button in an addon? |
| 05:31.20 | hatado | like flashing? i have no clue |
| 05:31.22 | Shirik | yup |
| 05:31.33 | Shirik | blizzard has a convenience function for it... it's um |
| 05:31.34 | Shirik | in |
| 05:31.41 | subbot | two man onyxia failed |
| 05:31.48 | Shirik | haha 2 man ony? |
| 05:32.01 | sstixrud | yup flashing |
| 05:32.06 | subbot | we got her to 80% |
| 05:32.09 | hatado | LOL |
| 05:32.11 | subbot | and then somehow i got healing aggro |
| 05:32.20 | Shirik | ah that's right |
| 05:32.24 | Shirik | FrameXML/UIParent.lua |
| 05:32.45 | Shirik | one sec... |
| 05:33.42 | sstixrud | PULSEBUTTONS = {}; that looks like what I want |
| 05:33.43 | Shirik | UIFrameFlash() |
| 05:33.55 | Shirik | function UIFrameFlash(frame, fadeInTime, fadeOutTime, flashDuration, showWhenDone, flashInHoldTime, flashOutHoldTime) |
| 05:34.39 | hatado | shirik: function myaddon_OnLoad() SlashCmdList["MYADDON"] = SimpleFrame:Show() SLASH_MYADDON1 = "/xeek"; end |
| 05:34.57 | Shirik | very good try! |
| 05:35.02 | hatado | im wrong I bet |
| 05:35.05 | sstixrud | thanks shirik any idea how to use it? |
| 05:35.06 | Shirik | you are |
| 05:35.11 | hatado | lol |
| 05:35.17 | Shirik | http://wowwiki.com/API_UIFrameFlash |
| 05:35.22 | Shirik | (for sstixrud) |
| 05:35.25 | sstixrud | ya I just found it thanks :) |
| 05:35.49 | hatado | how close am I shir? |
| 05:35.55 | Shirik | as for hatado |
| 05:36.00 | Shirik | so.. so close |
| 05:36.04 | hatado | hehe ya |
| 05:36.06 | hatado | yay* |
| 05:36.16 | Shirik | actually, SlashCmdList["MYADDON"] and SLASH_MYADDON1 are exactly what you need |
| 05:36.22 | Shirik | you just kinda have them a little out of whack |
| 05:36.41 | hatado | hmm? |
| 05:37.22 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/7341 |
| 05:37.24 | Shirik | whoops |
| 05:37.36 | Shirik | except that "end" at the very end shouldn't be there, which is why it's highlighted in bright bold red |
| 05:37.44 | hatado | ahhh |
| 05:37.52 | JoshBorke | blade dance > us |
| 05:38.01 | Shirik | ok so I have these chocolate covered fortune cookies |
| 05:38.09 | hatado | makes PERFECT sence now!! |
| 05:38.18 | Shirik | but they're impossible to break open with my hands because (1) it melts in my hands and (2) it's really hard |
| 05:38.24 | hatado | lol |
| 05:38.27 | Shirik | so.... I'm going to bite into them. Do you think they have fortunes in them? |
| 05:38.34 | hatado | no? |
| 05:38.43 | Shirik | yuk |
| 05:38.45 | Shirik | yes it definitely did |
| 05:38.48 | hatado | LOL |
| 05:38.58 | Shirik | Ironically... |
| 05:39.06 | Shirik | "This year will bring you many suprises in your life" |
| 05:39.12 | hatado | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:39.38 | Shirik | oh btw |
| 05:39.44 | Shirik | please don't name your function myaddon_OnLoad |
| 05:39.51 | Shirik | while it's legal, and it would work |
| 05:40.07 | hatado | ok |
| 05:40.09 | Shirik | if anyone else reads your code, they're going to expect that to be called by an OnLoad handler (you don't entirely need to know what that means yet) |
| 05:40.20 | Shirik | try to come up with a name that makes sense like... |
| 05:40.24 | Shirik | MyAddon_SlashFunction |
| 05:40.25 | hatado | right |
| 05:40.26 | Shirik | or something like that |
| 05:41.04 | Shirik | see I knew you could do it |
| 05:41.06 | hatado | yay |
| 05:41.09 | Shirik | you just had to put the effort in it :P |
| 05:41.14 | Shirik | You need to trust yourself a little more |
| 05:41.22 | hatado | yes lol now i just need to make an addon lol |
| 05:41.36 | hatado | any Ideas? |
| 05:42.11 | hatado | I was hoping to test my new found coding power with a frame that shows your char |
| 05:42.25 | hatado | but that seems hard |
| 05:42.47 | Shirik | how about an addon that takes the x and y change rate and extrapolates your current pitch while flying based on your ratio of movement speed in the XY plane to your maximum speed in 3-dimensional space |
| 05:42.53 | Shirik | :D |
| 05:43.00 | hatado | AHHH!! |
| 05:43.08 | Shirik | that's what I'm working on right now :P |
| 05:43.12 | hatado | wow |
| 05:43.27 | hatado | Im still working with frames lol |
| 05:43.29 | cogwheel | ahhhh fun :) |
| 05:43.36 | Shirik | Here have fun with math: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=77785285&sid=1&pageNo=3 |
| 05:43.56 | Shirik | *whispers to cogwheel* I think I'm going to scare him away |
| 05:44.10 | hatado | ........ /die |
| 05:44.29 | hatado | afk lol |
| 05:44.32 | cogwheel | this is why they make you take calculus if you want to get a CS degree :P |
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| 05:46.57 | Shirik | yeah, it all makes sense now |
| 05:47.14 | hatado | Now i just need to learn how to display your char in a frame XD where can I lean that? |
| 05:47.59 | Shirik | like the actual 3d model? |
| 05:48.06 | hatado | yes |
| 05:48.54 | Shirik | heh, this should be fun |
| 05:48.57 | cogwheel | "where can I lean that?" by looking at code that does that already :) |
| 05:48.59 | Shirik | see what you make of this: http://www.wowwiki.com/Widget_API#Model |
| 05:49.06 | Karrion | Shirik: but you won't know whether the pitch is above level or below... |
| 05:49.09 | Shirik | also /agree with cogwheel |
| 05:49.16 | Shirik | Yeah I know Karrion, but I have plans for that |
| 05:49.33 | hatado | lol cogwheel i have no knowlage of a code that does that |
| 05:49.39 | Karrion | o rly? |
| 05:49.42 | Shirik | going to see how well it actually works in action, but I have a theory on how it will work. If it doesn't work well enough, well... the only idea is to ensure you're going level |
| 05:49.49 | Shirik | so thatm uch we can detect |
| 05:49.52 | Shirik | but my plan is that |
| 05:49.54 | cogwheel | hatado: http://wdn.wowinterface.com/code/2066337/AddOns/Blizzard_AuctionUI/Blizzard_AuctionDressUp.xml http://wdn.wowinterface.com/code/2066337/AddOns/Blizzard_AuctionUI/Blizzard_AuctionDressUp.lua |
| 05:50.06 | cogwheel | (part of the default UI) |
| 05:50.14 | Shirik | we know to go from a positive pitch to a negative pitch, you must pass 0 right? |
| 05:50.19 | hatado | ty cog! |
| 05:50.32 | Shirik | so every time we pass zero, we record that |
| 05:50.49 | Shirik | thus indicating to ourselves that we need to switch the sign on the angle |
| 05:51.05 | Shirik | but... this is all a theory at this point; I don't know how well it will work in action, and it's going to rely on an extremely frequent OnUpdate |
| 05:51.06 | Karrion | yeah... but the initial state is ambiguous |
| 05:51.20 | Shirik | true; I'm going to assume a positive angle to start and see where that goes |
| 05:51.51 | Shirik | worse comes to worse; we show the user how far off level they are - they should be able to figure out if they're pitched up or down on their own |
| 05:51.51 | Karrion | will be interesting to see |
| 05:51.59 | Karrion | heh, true |
| 05:52.58 | Shirik | and honestly |
| 05:53.01 | Shirik | and here's what I'm hoping |
| 05:53.23 | Shirik | there has been a suggested extention to this -- if we /can/ reliably determine the sign of the angle |
| 05:53.44 | Shirik | we /should/ be able to determine vertical speed as well, and thus, altitude (or at least altitude from sea level or something similar) |
| 05:54.34 | Karrion | well, altitude from launch point anyway |
| 05:54.43 | cogwheel | The real problem is when you cross 0... how do you know you didn't start pitching down after pitching up rather than continuing to pitch up after crossing level? |
| 05:54.49 | bleetah | ot: what's the 'preferred' pally levelling spec? I've never spent a point (now at lvl 20) and I'm still using this lvl 4 green sword |
| 05:54.53 | Karrion | by integrating the vertical component of velocity over time |
| 05:56.30 | Karrion | slightly related: does you ground run speed change with terrain? |
| 05:56.30 | Shirik | (00:54:48) (cogwheel) The real problem is when you cross 0... how do you know you didn't start pitching down after pitching up rather than continuing to pitch up after crossing level? <--- That's the one case I'm worried about |
| 05:56.48 | cogwheel | Karrion: yes it does |
| 05:57.01 | cogwheel | if you go up a slope, it slows down your horizontal speed |
| 05:57.09 | Karrion | heh, cool |
| 05:57.19 | cogwheel | (afaik, anyway) |
| 05:58.16 | Karrion | hmm, think I know one way to ensure level flight: /console pitchlimit 0 >.> |
| 05:58.20 | Shirik | I don't know if it does or not, but it would make sense if it does. That's why whenever I'm testing speeds I do it in water |
| 05:58.25 | Shirik | ?? |
| 05:58.30 | Shirik | *goes off to test it* |
| 05:58.32 | bleetah | if it didn't, you'd have to run faster uphil to keep the horizontal speed constant.. and as I just tested @ brill, one doesn't speed up when going uphill. so I suspect cog's correct. |
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| 05:58.58 | cogwheel | hmm... actually, you should slow down if you're going up hill... |
| 05:59.08 | cogwheel | otherwise your horizontal speed *does* remain constant |
| 05:59.13 | Shirik | Karrion: I think that's only a camera adjustment |
| 05:59.28 | Shirik | hrm |
| 05:59.30 | Shirik | wait |
| 05:59.34 | cogwheel | bye Cairenn|afk |
| 05:59.38 | Shirik | ok well the question would be really |
| 05:59.38 | Karrion | it is, but if you then use right-left-click to face the camera direction... |
| 05:59.40 | Cairenn|afk | night guys |
| 05:59.43 | Shirik | if you are pitched up... night |
| 05:59.46 | bleetah | nn Cairenn|afk |
| 05:59.49 | Karrion | night Cairenn|afk |
| 05:59.50 | Cairenn|afk | early morning appt with my doc |
| 05:59.50 | Shirik | if you are pitched up and do a /console pitchlimit 0 |
| 06:00.03 | Shirik | does it reset your character too, or does it just set the camera to zero |
| 06:00.07 | Shirik | this is while flying of course |
| 06:00.12 | bleetah | cog: the run speed stays the same, but the level horizontal movement slows down |
| 06:00.16 | Shirik | I don't have a flying mount because I'm poor because I don't play the game nearly enough T_T |
| 06:00.27 | Karrion | I'll have to try it when I get home |
| 06:00.30 | Shirik | Hell I don't even have an epic ground mount... and I'm 70 |
| 06:01.10 | cogwheel | bleetah: how are you measuring run speed? isn't it just guessing based on changes in your coordinates? or is there some API I have completely missed? |
| 06:01.30 | bleetah | now, the *odd* thing, is leaping off the side of a hill whilst heading downhill. it doesn't appear that one falls any faster through the horizontal, as the uphill experience would tend to indicate |
| 06:01.33 | MentalPower | guessing |
| 06:01.40 | MentalPower | check SpeedFu |
| 06:01.41 | bleetah | cogwheel: yeah, pureguesswork, just from some steep hills though |
| 06:02.03 | Shirik | does SpeedFu say 100% when going up a steep hill? |
| 06:02.05 | Shirik | or something less? |
| 06:02.13 | Shirik | because SpeedFu is entirely based on the XY plane only |
| 06:02.24 | cogwheel | exactly what i'm thinking |
| 06:02.37 | MentalPower | less |
| 06:02.58 | MentalPower | SF does a lot of rounding tho |
| 06:03.03 | Shirik | it does |
| 06:04.21 | hatado | hmmm absolutly dumb question.: if I do the following code..does it need to be edited to show the toon I have in play? |
| 06:04.21 | hatado | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:04.21 | hatado | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:04.21 | hatado | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:04.21 | Karrion | well, time to get home and get online... later all |
| 06:04.21 | hatado | bye |
| 06:04.21 | Shirik | take care |
| 06:05.53 | hatado | cuz my code looks like it needs more to do that |
| 06:11.07 | Bejitt | wtf, "var1 = var2[key] = {}" is invalid lua code? |
| 06:11.25 | Shirik | iirc you can't chain assignments like that, like you can in C |
| 06:11.33 | cogwheel | i don't think assignments evaluate as a value |
| 06:12.15 | Bejitt | @_@ |
| 06:12.26 | Bejitt | hooray for language design |
| 06:13.01 | Shirik | what's so hard about |
| 06:13.09 | Bejitt | nothing hard about it |
| 06:13.10 | Shirik | var2[key] = {}; var1 = var2[key]; |
| 06:13.12 | Shirik | =P |
| 06:13.32 | Shirik | I like thing simplistic... it took me FOREVER to accept this: |
| 06:13.38 | Bejitt | just that the long way requires a set -and- a get value from the table :P |
| 06:13.41 | Shirik | while (a = next()) |
| 06:13.45 | Bejitt | hahaha |
| 06:13.48 | Bejitt | <3 iterators |
| 06:15.09 | Bejitt | tho i think python spoiled me on those ... |
| 06:17.42 | Tem | g0shouse |
| 06:18.23 | Tem | hmm, that's an interesting combination to randomly type |
| 06:18.49 | cogwheel | that was random? O.o |
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| 06:19.38 | Tem | well, my left hand was random |
| 06:19.45 | Tem | my right hand was trying to type "house" |
| 06:20.24 | Bejitt | "g0s" with one hand? o.O |
| 06:20.39 | Tem | mrph |
| 06:20.42 | Tem | I can't explain properly |
| 06:20.43 | cogwheel | easy if you're using dvorak :P |
| 06:20.55 | Tem | but the g0s part was random |
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| 06:28.32 | Bejitt | hmm hard to get the required number of pieces for a set bonus if you have more than that number |
| 06:28.37 | Bejitt | +equipped |
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| 06:49.24 | hatado | hmm do these match up? it doesn't appear to be.. http://wowi.pastey.net/7344 <--lua http://wowi.pastey.net/7345 <--- xml (167 lines of code :P) |
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| 06:50.52 | Shirik | what are those random numbers in your lua file? |
| 06:51.11 | hatado | random numbers? |
| 06:51.20 | Shirik | on the left side |
| 06:51.32 | hatado | omg.. wierd |
| 06:51.37 | hatado | I didn't put those there |
| 06:51.52 | cogwheel | looks like a copy/paste from pastey... |
| 06:52.07 | hatado | its in my .lua too |
| 06:52.08 | cogwheel | you should use the text box at the bottom instead of the code at the top |
| 06:52.29 | hatado | ok those numbers are gone |
| 06:52.51 | Shirik | (01:52:43) (@Shirik) also your H needs to be capitalized at line 10 |
| 06:53.07 | Shirik | except I sent that to the wrong irc channel |
| 06:53.16 | hatado | lol |
| 06:54.30 | hatado | those numbers coulda been the prob. |
| 06:54.32 | hatado | Ill check |
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| 06:56.11 | Shirik | morning Iriel |
| 06:56.14 | Shirik | I guess it's morning |
| 06:56.15 | hatado | hmm guess not.. Message: [string "ChardisplayForm:show()"] line 1: attempt to index global 'ChardisplayForm' (a nil value) |
| 06:56.20 | Shirik | I dunno I lost track of time for today |
| 06:56.32 | Shirik | what is "ChardisplayForm" |
| 06:56.52 | hatado | did you look at the Xml yet? its the frame.. just need to rename it |
| 06:56.57 | Shirik | is it? |
| 06:57.14 | hatado | havn't renamed ANYTHING yet though |
| 06:57.30 | Shirik | ok but it says ChardisplayForm is nil |
| 06:57.35 | Shirik | why do you think that would happen? |
| 06:57.43 | Shirik | (nil essentially means it doesn't exist) |
| 06:57.50 | hatado | hmm |
| 06:58.34 | hatado | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:58.47 | Shirik | correct |
| 06:58.50 | hatado | hmmmmmm |
| 06:58.58 | Shirik | there should be one other file right? |
| 06:59.05 | hatado | the toc? |
| 06:59.11 | Shirik | aye |
| 06:59.19 | Shirik | do you ever include your xml file? |
| 06:59.31 | hatado | OMG!!! I coulda sworn I put it there! |
| 06:59.39 | hatado | XD ty so much AGAIN |
| 06:59.51 | Shirik | any time ;) |
| 06:59.58 | Thrae | hatado: There are a few things wrong with that XML file. I think you should learn XML on your own instead of using that UI designer. |
| 07:00.12 | hatado | ummm I have been doing both |
| 07:00.42 | Thrae | hatado: For instance, <OnEvent> needs to call a function, yet it just has "Chardisplay_play", not "Chardisplay_play()" |
| 07:01.02 | hatado | oh I did that |
| 07:01.11 | Thrae | Not in your pastey |
| 07:01.36 | hatado | no I mean I typed that part in xml |
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| 07:02.03 | Shirik | well that will be another source of troubles |
| 07:02.09 | Shirik | because well... |
| 07:02.17 | Shirik | it's a meaningless statement |
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| 07:02.25 | Shirik | that's like in C where you have a line like |
| 07:02.27 | Shirik | 4; |
| 07:02.38 | hatado | and like wtf does 4; mean? |
| 07:02.45 | Shirik | absolutely nothing |
| 07:02.49 | hatado | lol |
| 07:02.51 | Shirik | though it's completely legal... it doesn't do anything |
| 07:02.56 | hatado | I seee |
| 07:03.07 | hatado | its a legit char but it does nothing |
| 07:03.46 | Shirik | in any case yeah you need to _call_ it, so Chardisplay_play() |
| 07:04.00 | hatado | just fixed |
| 07:04.02 | Shirik | actually in Lua I don't think such a line like Chardisplay_play is legal |
| 07:04.03 | hatado | testing now |
| 07:04.14 | hatado | its really "Chardis_play" though |
| 07:04.17 | cogwheel | man, i'm glad i waited to make my Draenei... i've been able to complete quests in decent time since they're not all farmed :P |
| 07:04.22 | Shirik | I'm pretty sure everything has to have a purpose; I forget though |
| 07:04.35 | Shirik | haha yeah that was the problem on my BE |
| 07:04.38 | Shirik | every named was dead |
| 07:04.43 | hatado | I waited too |
| 07:04.56 | Shirik | r cmd lua |
| 07:04.58 | Shirik | oop |
| 07:06.33 | hatado | hmm I got the frame up.. buuuuut the functions are broken... forgot to copy error though |
| 07:06.38 | Shirik | yeah something like fn; isn't valid, you have to call it or it gets pissed |
| 07:07.04 | Shirik | > a; |
| 07:07.04 | Shirik | stdin:1: '=' expected near ';' |
| 07:07.04 | Shirik | > a(); |
| 07:07.05 | Shirik | > |
| 07:09.38 | hatado | Message: [string "parentPlayerModel1:OnEvent"] line 1: '=' expected near 'end' |
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| 07:10.48 | Shirik | we already pointed that out |
| 07:10.52 | Shirik | that's the error discussed earlier |
| 07:11.00 | Shirik | touch up your xml |
| 07:11.09 | hatado | umm ok |
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| 07:12.03 | Shirik | (02:00:47) (Thrae) hatado: For instance, <OnEvent> needs to call a function, yet it just has "Chardisplay_play", not "Chardisplay_play()" |
| 07:12.12 | hatado | I fixed that .. |
| 07:12.18 | hatado | just havent' re posted |
| 07:12.18 | Shirik | um |
| 07:12.26 | Shirik | ok well that error message begs to differ |
| 07:12.30 | hatado | ohh |
| 07:12.33 | hatado | hmm |
| 07:12.36 | Shirik | did you save? |
| 07:12.39 | hatado | lol yeah |
| 07:12.40 | Shirik | and then /console reloadui |
| 07:12.44 | hatado | umm no |
| 07:12.45 | Shirik | hey I've made that mistake a million times |
| 07:12.51 | Shirik | "why the hell isn't this working it's perfect" |
| 07:12.56 | hatado | LOL yeah |
| 07:13.01 | Shirik | and I just needed to hit the save button... which I figure out about an hour later |
| 07:13.23 | hatado | lol |
| 07:13.37 | hatado | hmm its saved .. been saved to |
| 07:13.49 | hatado | I have to do /console reloadui in game too? |
| 07:14.16 | Shirik | or exit/relog |
| 07:14.26 | Shirik | WoW ONLY reads the files at load-time |
| 07:14.31 | hatado | right |
| 07:14.32 | Shirik | once you're logged in, it never looks at it again |
| 07:14.36 | hatado | I know |
| 07:14.47 | hatado | I close wow every time lol |
| 07:14.48 | Shirik | thus any changes you do won't make a difference until you do /console reloadui or relog |
| 07:14.53 | Shirik | oh god don't do that |
| 07:14.55 | Shirik | just do /console reloadui |
| 07:14.59 | hatado | lol it takes foreer |
| 07:15.01 | hatado | the closing |
| 07:15.03 | Shirik | no kidding |
| 07:15.11 | cogwheel | or /run ReloadUI() if it's faster for you |
| 07:15.17 | Shirik | actually I do `reloadui |
| 07:15.23 | Shirik | but most people don't have console enabled |
| 07:16.00 | cogwheel | or if you have any Ace addons or DevTools, /reload :P |
| 07:16.19 | Shirik | I should bind a key to it |
| 07:16.23 | Shirik | so I can just hit one button |
| 07:16.27 | hatado | yeah |
| 07:16.36 | hatado | I get this error too |
| 07:16.36 | hatado | Message: [string "ChardisplayFormDoneButton1:OnClick"] line 1: attempt to call global 'ChardisplayForm_close' (a nil value)Debug: [C]: ChardisplayForm_close() [string "ChardisplayFormDoneButton1:OnClick"]:1: [string "ChardisplayFormDoneButton1:OnClick"]:1 |
| 07:17.04 | Shirik | did you load your xml before your lua? |
| 07:17.17 | Shirik | hrm that shouldn't matter in your case actually |
| 07:17.41 | hatado | oh I think I got that one |
| 07:17.43 | hatado | no () |
| 07:17.58 | hatado | I think |
| 07:18.06 | Shirik | that may be true, but you have something else at work there |
| 07:18.19 | Shirik | it's saying ChardisplayForm_close doesn't exist |
| 07:18.34 | Shirik | do you disagree? |
| 07:18.38 | hatado | hmm |
| 07:18.49 | hatado | function ChardisplayForm_close() |
| 07:18.49 | hatado | ChardisplayForm:Hide(); |
| 07:18.49 | hatado | end |
| 07:18.57 | Shirik | so you argue that it exists |
| 07:19.00 | hatado | yes |
| 07:19.19 | hatado | just a sec |
| 07:19.58 | Shirik | I know where this is going |
| 07:20.39 | hatado | same eror |
| 07:20.47 | hatado | what do you mean? |
| 07:20.56 | Shirik | post all three files so I can double check what I'm about to say |
| 07:21.03 | hatado | lol ok just a sec |
| 07:23.02 | hatado | http://wowi.pastey.net/7348 <--lua http://wowi.pastey.net/7349 <-- xml |
| 07:23.11 | Shirik | all _3_ |
| 07:23.22 | hatado | ## Interface: 20003 |
| 07:23.22 | hatado | ## Title: Char display |
| 07:23.22 | hatado | ## Author: hatado |
| 07:23.22 | hatado | ## Version: 1 |
| 07:23.22 | hatado | ## Notes: Displays a char |
| 07:23.23 | hatado | ## DefaultState: Enabled |
| 07:23.25 | hatado | ## LoadOnDemand: 0 |
| 07:23.27 | hatado | ChardisplayForm.xml |
| 07:23.34 | hatado | hey I was working on it |
| 07:23.40 | Shirik | precisely what I expected |
| 07:23.41 | cogwheel | > 3 lines = pastey :P |
| 07:24.03 | Shirik | I agree with WoW. |
| 07:24.06 | Shirik | ChardisplayForm_close doesn't exist. |
| 07:24.10 | hatado | say wha? |
| 07:24.28 | Shirik | where did you define it? |
| 07:24.33 | hatado | lua |
| 07:24.40 | Shirik | ok |
| 07:24.47 | Shirik | so when did we ever tell WoW to actually run that lua file? |
| 07:24.58 | hatado | ........... |
| 07:25.01 | hatado | I just though |
| 07:25.06 | hatado | but |
| 07:25.08 | hatado | why have it? |
| 07:25.25 | Shirik | WoW only assumes one thing: That you will have a TOC file named the same as the folder |
| 07:25.40 | Shirik | The TOC (which stands for Table Of Contents) serves (mainly) one purpose |
| 07:25.47 | Shirik | To tell WoW what to run. |
| 07:25.58 | Shirik | You did it paritally - you told it you need to read that xml file |
| 07:26.03 | Shirik | you never told it to read the lua file too |
| 07:26.05 | hatado | I see!! |
| 07:26.21 | Shirik | in actuality there is another way to run the lua script, directly from the xml, but that's beyond the scope here right now |
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| 07:26.49 | hatado | ## Interface: 20003 |
| 07:26.49 | hatado | ## Title: Char display |
| 07:26.49 | hatado | ## Author: hatado |
| 07:26.49 | hatado | ## Version: 1 |
| 07:26.49 | hatado | ## Notes: Displays a char |
| 07:26.50 | hatado | ## DefaultState: Enabled |
| 07:26.52 | hatado | ## LoadOnDemand: 0 |
| 07:26.54 | hatado | ChardisplayForm.xml |
| 07:26.56 | hatado | Chardisplay.lua |
| 07:26.58 | hatado | pwn |
| 07:27.11 | Shirik | like cog said, if you have something over 3 lines, please use pastey >< |
| 07:27.11 | hatado | checked the file names too |
| 07:27.17 | hatado | ohhh sorry |
| 07:27.22 | Shirik | you're lucky the irc server isn't kicking you off for flooding |
| 07:27.27 | hatado | gooood point |
| 07:27.49 | hatado | my bad heh |
| 07:28.51 | hatado | all that .. and all it did was fix the done button.. omg |
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| 07:29.30 | hatado | but my "/chardis" still aint workin |
| 07:29.55 | Shirik | so anyone else seen this? |
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| 07:30.08 | hatado | seen what? |
| 07:30.15 | Shirik | http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/C/CHINA_PIGEON_CONTROL?SITE=TXABI&SECTION=HOME |
| 07:30.25 | cogwheel | tequila + melatonin = cog has to go nite-nite |
| 07:30.31 | Shirik | night |
| 07:30.40 | cogwheel | hehe, Shirik... saw that earlier today :) |
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| 07:30.44 | hatado | thats just wierd |
| 07:31.08 | Shirik | right, I'm going to head out too actually considering I have class in about 4 hours |
| 07:31.15 | hatado | aw I still need help :P |
| 07:31.17 | Shirik | keep working on it; remember wowwiki is your friend, and so is the WoW forums |
| 07:31.22 | hatado | k |
| 07:31.33 | Shirik|zZz | you can do it, I told you that already ;) |
| 07:31.44 | hatado | I can do it :D |
| 07:39.45 | Bejitt | wow.. gg blizz on consistant stat naming |
| 07:40.11 | Bejitt | "increases critical strike rating" "improves critical strike rating" both used |
| 07:40.30 | hatado | lol wierd |
| 07:40.46 | hatado | never noticed that |
| 07:40.54 | Shirik|zZz | I believe there's also "critical strike rating increased by..." |
| 07:41.05 | hatado | yes |
| 07:41.12 | hatado | and I thought you where in bed |
| 07:41.19 | Shirik|zZz | I tend to get distracted |
| 07:41.23 | hatado | ahh |
| 07:45.15 | hatado | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:45.31 | hatado | I still feel dumb :P |
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| 09:08.09 | bleetah | tigerclaw++ |
| 09:08.45 | bleetah | sure, it was a bunch of 'no, not that', 'no, not that either'.. but it helped ;) |
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| 09:13.33 | Bejitt | odd... lua patterns dont support "|" ('or') |
| 09:13.48 | krka | not really odd |
| 09:13.57 | Bejitt | eh makes it more fun |
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| 09:13.59 | krka | lua patterns are much less complex than regular expressions |
| 09:14.15 | Bejitt | yeah i'm noticing |
| 09:14.15 | bleetah | therefore a lot less overhead, one would assume |
| 09:14.38 | pastamancer | no alternation means no (less?) backtracking |
| 09:15.36 | krka | correct |
| 09:15.55 | krka | actually, i think it does have some sort of backtracking |
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| 13:30.33 | Bouvi | Hey guys, you know those raid icons (Fruit loops) is there a way to automatically assign like a star for whatever the leader is on. For example leader is on one mob then switches is there a way to have it keep the star on the leaders target? |
| 13:32.31 | sysrage | lucky charms! not fruit loops |
| 13:32.54 | Bouvi | Whatever lol you know what I meant. I still have not had my caffeine. :P lol |
| 13:49.24 | sysrage | should be possible to do that. but that's what MT windows are for :P |
| 13:52.06 | Bouvi | Yeah I thought the same thing but this guy wants this for some reason |
| 13:55.52 | nymbia | just need a tiny thing that fires SetRaidTargetIcon() on PLAYER_TARGET_CHANGED |
| 13:56.37 | Bouvi | Seems simple enough |
| 13:59.03 | Bouvi | Thanks |
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| 15:38.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | bored bored bored |
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| 15:39.48 | Mini` | Doh, xD |
| 15:41.09 | Corrodias | thousands of things have died by my hands |
| 15:41.28 | Corrodias | see, this is why everything in WoW is futile |
| 15:41.40 | Mini` | I'm trying to monitor each time one of my raid/party members or myself get either a Rejuvenation, Lifebloom or Regrowth healing over time, i started by using the CHAT_MSG_SPELL_PERIODIC_FRIENDLYPLAYER_BUFFS and CHAT_MSG_SPELL_PERIODIC_SELF_BUFFS events and parsing them, but if i recast a hot it doesn't recognize them |
| 15:41.42 | Corrodias | you can kill things, but they just run back to their corpse and res anyway |
| 15:41.59 | Corrodias | in instances, the bosses will wait until you quit camping them to res, of course |
| 15:42.01 | Mini` | So i tried using UNIT_SPELLCAST_SUCCEEDED but it doesn't show who the spell is casted on |
| 15:42.18 | Mini` | Hehe |
| 15:42.34 | Corrodias | it's like we're stuck in the blood wars |
| 15:42.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | does reading the combat log work, Mini`? |
| 15:42.51 | Corrodias | and holy shit, it's like firefox has kept a record of EVERY google search i've ever done through the search box |
| 15:43.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | or does it have the same problem as the first events you were watching |
| 15:43.22 | Mini` | The problem is that the combat log doesn't show anything when i cast f.x. rejuvenation when i already have the hot on |
| 15:43.27 | Mini` | Excactly :/ |
| 15:43.54 | JoshBorke | purl, hug Cairenn|afk |
| 15:43.56 | purl | ACTION hugs Cairenn|afk tightly until Cairenn|afk turns slightly blue |
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| 15:44.44 | JoshBorke | Mini`: good luck. you don't actually receive information when buffs/debuffs are reapplied. you could try synchronizing based on UNIT_SPELLCAST_SENT |
| 15:44.54 | Mini` | :O |
| 15:44.56 | Mini` | Okay |
| 15:44.57 | foxlit | (self only, that?) |
| 15:45.20 | JoshBorke | you'll have to broadcast who cast what on whom though |
| 15:45.23 | foxlit | (and still viable to fail via fex line of sight) |
| 15:45.42 | JoshBorke | but you'll know when they are cast and on whom for sure with UNIT_SPELLCAST_SENT (it's local only) |
| 15:47.38 | Mini` | Hmm okay |
| 15:47.57 | Mini` | But i really only need to know if it was myself who had cast it so.. |
| 15:48.06 | Mini` | That should work then |
| 15:57.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | i need to find something to do :[ |
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| 16:54.25 | Abenadi | PROTECTED FocusUnit("unit") - I can use that as long as I'm not in combat right? it doesn't require a hardware event? |
| 16:56.18 | zenzelezz | /script FocusUnit("target"); while OOC -> "A macro script has been blocked" |
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| 16:58.18 | Abenadi | so there is no way to set your focus except by clicking a button with macrotext set? |
| 16:58.57 | zenzelezz | don't know, sorry |
| 17:01.21 | cogwheel | keybinding... |
| 17:01.34 | cogwheel | or is this for an addon? |
| 17:01.37 | Abenadi | addon |
| 17:01.59 | cogwheel | yep. i think that's pretty much the only way. |
| 17:02.36 | Abenadi | OK so if I set up a button in my addon with /focus in the macrotext (before combat), will the focusing work when in combat? |
| 17:03.11 | cogwheel | yep |
| 17:03.22 | Abenadi | OK, thanks |
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| 17:04.17 | mahiro | hi |
| 17:04.25 | Gryphen | he3ya |
| 17:05.59 | mahiro | i have a little problem here, i have party frames which scale by the amount of party members. so if theres only 1 party member the bar is about 100px high, if there are 2 the bars are 50px high. |
| 17:06.52 | JoshBorke | 4 members = 20px O.o |
| 17:07.09 | mahiro | now if im in combat and a 2nd party member joins the bar wont scale because of the secure thing... can i solve that with a InCombatLockdown() so it rescales them after leaving combat or is there an other soultion' |
| 17:07.24 | mahiro | its just an example^^ |
| 17:11.00 | pastamancer | queue the scale changes if InCombatLockdown and then apply the queued changes after PLAYER_REGEN_ENABLED |
| 17:11.46 | mahiro | hmm how do i queue something?o_O |
| 17:13.32 | Elkano | AceEvent ;) *hides* |
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| 17:26.31 | pastamancer | you wouldn't want to use AceEvent to queue stuff for REGEN_ENABLED, just keep a table of closures to be executed |
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| 17:47.22 | Shirik | just do something like |
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| 17:48.09 | Abenadi | what unitID do I use for members of my arena party? |
| 17:48.28 | mahiro | party1-4? |
| 17:48.54 | Abenadi | OK i wasn't sure if those worked since it converts to a battleground-style raid |
| 17:49.18 | mahiro | works fine for me |
| 17:49.33 | Abenadi | like if I'm in a regular party, and join a 2v2 arena skirmish (not as group), does party1 refer to my first arena party member or first member of my non-arena party? |
| 17:49.53 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/7376 |
| 17:50.11 | Shirik | just remember what you want the scale to be, then it'll set scale when it can |
| 17:50.26 | Shirik | good question Abenadi |
| 17:50.38 | Shirik | I believe the arena party will temporarily override your normal party |
| 17:50.49 | Abenadi | OK makes sense |
| 17:50.58 | kergoth | well, considering party frames and raid frames show the arena group fine, i'd say the unitids refer to them temporarily indeed |
| 17:51.07 | Shirik | just like BG would temporarily override your raid |
| 17:51.21 | mahiro | Shirik: thx |
| 17:51.30 | Shirik | no problem :) |
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| 18:05.22 | Mini` | How do i check if i am i party or in a raid (or nothing) ? xD |
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| 18:06.27 | Cide | GetNumPartyMembers() and GetNumRaidMembers() |
| 18:06.54 | Cide | well, I think another function was added to |
| 18:06.57 | Cide | s/to/too/ |
| 18:07.08 | Cide | UnitInRaid("player") might work too |
| 18:07.21 | Cide | along with UnitInParty("player") |
| 18:07.26 | Mini` | k |
| 18:07.33 | Mini` | Thanks =) |
| 18:07.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm just glad i can save time with macros and not have to deal with all that scripting crap |
| 18:08.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | so i can set up a homemade totemstomper |
| 18:08.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | with /castsequence and [party] [noparty] etc |
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| 18:16.36 | sysrage | totem stomping macros still work? i thought that got broken |
| 18:17.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | Why would it? |
| 18:17.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | adding castsequence made it easier if anything |
| 18:19.01 | sysrage | maybe i'm not understanding what you mean by totem stomping. i mean auto target totem to get rid of it. you mean to put um down? |
| 18:20.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah |
| 18:20.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | i just call it a totemstomper because that' the addon i used for a long time |
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| 18:20.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | it casted your totems in sequence set to keybindings |
| 18:20.56 | sysrage | gotcha |
| 18:22.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh my |
| 18:22.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/501160p-422569c.html |
| 18:22.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | Julio Quevedo, 43, faces jail time for peddling bogus costumes of popular cartoon characters to undercover investigators who told him they would be used for a triple-X fetish called "furry porn," cops said yesterday. |
| 18:22.51 | pastamancer | hot |
| 18:24.37 | krka | crap, i am screwed, didn't know that was illegal |
| 18:25.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | he got arrested because of counterfeitting trademarked characters or something |
| 18:25.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | the furry aspect is hilarious though |
| 18:28.21 | sysrage | Julio Quevedo, 43, faces jail time for peddling bogus costumes of popular cartoon characters to undercover investigators who told him they would be used for a triple-X fetish called "furry porn," cops said yesterday. |
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| 18:30.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | so the investigators were furries? :O |
| 18:33.17 | Cide | hmm, might as well ask here since I'd guess at least someone in here uses it.. I'm working on a sort of recode for CTProfiles - does anyone have any suggestions on things we could add? |
| 18:33.26 | Cide | things you would like to see, etc. |
| 18:35.22 | krka | you are looking to add features? funny, i always try to remove :) |
| 18:38.27 | TC_Working | did you update the items to bc? |
| 18:39.09 | Mini` | Is it possible to programmaticly create a new frame? (I got a template i just want to create a new frame inherited from the template at a new position) |
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| 18:39.17 | Iriel | CreateFrame |
| 18:39.24 | Mini` | I'l look it up |
| 18:39.26 | Iriel | I would imagine it's documented well on the wiki |
| 18:39.26 | kergoth | Mini`: wowwiki.com. read up :) |
| 18:39.42 | Cide | TC_Working: yes |
| 18:39.44 | Mini` | Found it =) |
| 18:39.52 | Mini` | Uhh nice! |
| 18:39.56 | Mini` | Thanks =) |
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| 18:42.13 | TC_Working | cide, what about generating a 3D model of what your char would look like in selected items? |
| 18:42.53 | Cide | eh |
| 18:43.04 | Cide | we were looking into that using wow model viewer |
| 18:43.13 | Cide | but servers usually don't have graphics cards |
| 18:43.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'd like an ability to add the items in my dream outfits to my real character tia |
| 18:43.25 | TC_Working | cant you have it rendered client side? |
| 18:43.34 | Cide | client side... how? |
| 18:43.40 | Cide | Mr_Rabies2: can do that already |
| 18:43.50 | TC_Working | i dont know, i was asking you.....i guess not then |
| 18:43.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | without raiding painful bosses :p |
| 18:44.10 | Shirik | you could... |
| 18:44.18 | Shirik | but I believe warden picks up the manipulation of textures in mpq |
| 18:44.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't think so unless that is pretty recent |
| 18:44.54 | Shirik | in any case it's not something I'm about to go test |
| 18:45.08 | Shirik | wait |
| 18:45.14 | Shirik | didn't you say yesterday you were cancelling >< |
| 18:45.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | yes |
| 18:45.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm just saying, i'd like it to be implemented in ctprofiles for me to be able to setup a gearset and get the items in my mailbox :p |
| 18:46.24 | Cide | Mr_Rabies2: I'll see what I can do! |
| 18:46.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm sure you can find a way to implement it |
| 18:47.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | just throw more money at it, that's how things get solved |
| 18:47.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | that or violence |
| 18:47.25 | Shirik | seems to work in the US |
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| 18:48.17 | Shirik | dear god |
| 18:48.27 | Shirik | someone's asking to play WoW over a remote desktop session |
| 18:48.33 | Shirik | and why it won't work |
| 18:48.47 | TC_Working | Cide, what about a graphical representation of your guilds hierarchy |
| 18:49.22 | TC_Working | flowchart style |
| 18:52.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | i patched wow through a remote desktop connection once |
| 18:52.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | that was fun |
| 18:53.27 | raevanmorlock | Does anyone happen to be familar with C#? |
| 18:53.48 | Cide | TC_Working: not sure how easy that would be |
| 18:54.27 | Shirik | evil C# |
| 18:54.36 | TC_Working | neither do i, i'm just throwing out ideas |
| 18:54.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | how about changing all the tooltips to pictures of kittens |
| 18:54.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm not very good at brainstorming |
| 18:55.11 | Shirik | not well, raevanmorlock, but I can try |
| 18:56.42 | TC_Working | does it matter how good your item search function is cide? as it is i find the item on another site then find it on ctprofiles |
| 18:57.08 | TC_Working | s/i find the/i search for the/ |
| 18:57.11 | Cide | the search is not bad, but we're gonna make it a bit more useful |
| 18:57.19 | raevanmorlock | Hrmm... well, any idea how to create your own data type (like an int, float, etc)? |
| 18:57.36 | Cide | it's not been working well because of database inconsistencies |
| 18:58.37 | Shirik | you can't do it globally |
| 18:58.43 | Shirik | you can do something to the specific source file like |
| 18:58.56 | Shirik | using MYNUMBER = System.Int32; |
| 18:59.09 | Shirik | But it will only apply to that one source file |
| 19:00.25 | Shirik | does that answer your question? |
| 19:00.36 | Shirik | I'm assuming you're trying to do something like a C++ typedef |
| 19:00.46 | raevanmorlock | I was looking for that earlier.. ha. But that's not really what I mean. I made an Angle class that can store a number >= 0 and < 360 but, in order to use it, I have to do Angle myAngle; myAngle.Value = 234; .. I'd like it to work without that .Value part |
| 19:01.22 | raevanmorlock | .Value being the property that I made to access the private _angle variable |
| 19:01.40 | Shirik | like I said I'm not familiar with C# ... can you make class operators in C# |
| 19:02.04 | Shirik | if so, could you do something like operator integer() { return this.Value; }; |
| 19:02.19 | Shirik | for an implied type conversion? |
| 19:02.19 | raevanmorlock | I was looking at operator overloads.. but equals isn't supported |
| 19:02.26 | Shirik | oh |
| 19:02.32 | Shirik | you want to do myAngle = 234 |
| 19:02.48 | raevanmorlock | yeah |
| 19:02.49 | Shirik | yeah if you can't overload the assignment operator I don't know where to go from there :/ |
| 19:02.52 | Shirik | did I mention C# is evil? |
| 19:02.56 | raevanmorlock | lol me neither |
| 19:03.00 | raevanmorlock | And yes ya did |
| 19:03.14 | raevanmorlock | but I'm still in denial |
| 19:03.45 | Shirik | heh |
| 19:03.53 | Shirik | perhaps just overload something similar? like |
| 19:03.56 | Shirik | myAngle << 234; |
| 19:03.57 | Shirik | ? |
| 19:04.04 | TC_Working | Cide, how about the ability to insert sockets into items |
| 19:04.05 | Iriel | Dont do that |
| 19:04.16 | Iriel | That's just hackery for the sake of hackery |
| 19:04.21 | Shirik | it's true |
| 19:04.36 | Iriel | myAngle:Set(234) |
| 19:04.44 | Iriel | short, sweet, happyu |
| 19:04.46 | Shirik | I can't see any decent reason why they would design it so you can't overload the assignment operator |
| 19:04.58 | Iriel | I cant' either, to be honest |
| 19:05.28 | raevanmorlock | I dunno... if they don't allow you to overload it, I imagine there must be some other way to get the same functionality |
| 19:05.39 | Shirik | but... according to this document I'm reading, it's perfectly OK to overload +=, -=, and all that stuff |
| 19:05.52 | Cide | TC_Working: that's inc already |
| 19:06.15 | Shirik | but yeah I'd have to say go with Iriel's suggestion |
| 19:06.19 | raevanmorlock | The help docs say += can't be overloaded.. but + can be... so += would use the overloaded + with the standard = |
| 19:06.33 | Shirik | +=, -=, *=, /=, %=, &=, |=, ^=, <<=, >>= |
| 19:06.33 | Shirik | |
| 19:06.34 | Shirik | Assignment operators cannot be overloaded, but if you overload a binary operator, such as +, += is also overloaded. |
| 19:06.49 | Shirik | oh I partially misread... |
| 19:06.50 | Shirik | ok |
| 19:06.56 | raevanmorlock | Yeah that's exactly what I'm lookin at |
| 19:07.27 | Shirik | Yeah, so go with Iriel's suggestion. Either myAngle.Set(234); or deal with myAngle.Value = 234; ... or go to C++ :P |
| 19:07.30 | raevanmorlock | And makin a Set method is basically teh same as just using my current Value property :\ |
| 19:07.33 | Shirik | but I'd recommend making Value protected |
| 19:07.39 | TC_Working | Cide: hmm....i dont seem to have the ability to insert them |
| 19:07.39 | Shirik | and Set() public |
| 19:07.50 | Shirik | because if you do myAngle.Value = 500; wouldn't you want that to not be 500? |
| 19:07.59 | Shirik | Set() could check before assigning |
| 19:08.05 | Cide | TC_Working: inc as in incoming - not in yet |
| 19:08.22 | TC_Working | ah, i thought you mean included |
| 19:08.24 | Xuerian | Could also do wrapping inside Set() |
| 19:08.29 | TC_Working | s/mean/meant/ |
| 19:08.32 | raevanmorlock | You can do computations with properties in C# .... public float Value { get { return _angle; } set { /* do some math */ _angle = value; } } |
| 19:08.49 | Shirik | ah, interesting |
| 19:10.17 | raevanmorlock | Yeah.. I hate seeing set/getValue() all over the place with C++ .. and using just Value() and Value(val) to short-hand it gets confusing -- one of the reasons I'm trying to get into C# |
| 19:10.28 | TC_Working | Cide: how about the ability to add an item to a slot from the advanced search pages, as it is i have to all the way back to the outfiting page |
| 19:10.57 | Cide | we're going to do that, yeah |
| 19:11.38 | Shirik | I really should start getting into C# ... it does seem to be where a lot of things are going |
| 19:11.57 | Shirik | I've just grown up on C++ for years :P |
| 19:12.21 | kergoth | i despise c++, should really move on to something else |
| 19:12.29 | Shirik | why's that? |
| 19:13.05 | raevanmorlock | Yeah... I know alot of guys like that. I think I'm fortunate that I've learned and used so many different ones that I haven't any affinity to one |
| 19:13.46 | Shirik | I haven't found anything against C++ - it has power, it has organization (object orientation) |
| 19:14.05 | raevanmorlock | I think application development will be moving to .Net as soon as companies can afford to make the switch.. and game development, at least for Microsoft, is already headed there. |
| 19:14.13 | Shirik | it's true |
| 19:14.30 | Iriel | Generally classes should never have public values |
| 19:15.14 | Iriel | so it's nice to see C# do that neatly |
| 19:16.14 | AnduinLothar | why shouldn't they have public values? |
| 19:16.22 | raevanmorlock | I think C++ will still be around for PC game development for awhile.. until we move past the um... what-cha-ma-kal-it CPUs that we're using |
| 19:16.40 | Shirik | various reasons |
| 19:16.46 | Shirik | one of them being it's unsafe, like the point I brought up |
| 19:17.00 | AnduinLothar | publicly readable or publicly writable? |
| 19:17.06 | Shirik | in general, an angle shouldn't be over 360 degrees (though you could have it) |
| 19:17.17 | Iriel | publicly readable, but not writable has uses |
| 19:17.56 | AnduinLothar | aye |
| 19:18.05 | AnduinLothar | statics |
| 19:18.10 | raevanmorlock | But how would you do that? |
| 19:18.25 | AnduinLothar | in c? i have no idea |
| 19:18.30 | raevanmorlock | haha |
| 19:18.31 | AnduinLothar | i know you can in java |
| 19:18.37 | Iriel | you cant in c, c++, or java |
| 19:18.42 | Shirik | C/C++ doesn't make a distinction. It's either public or non-public |
| 19:18.43 | Iriel | unless it's NEVER writable |
| 19:18.52 | Shirik | you can't have it readable but not writable |
| 19:18.52 | AnduinLothar | right it'd have to be hard coded |
| 19:19.05 | raevanmorlock | like PI? |
| 19:19.09 | Shirik | unless it's a constant |
| 19:19.19 | AnduinLothar | right, a constant |
| 19:19.49 | AnduinLothar | especially in classes that are only instantiated once |
| 19:19.57 | AnduinLothar | or not instantiated at all |
| 19:22.07 | foxlit | Meh, curse gives 404s to everything |
| 19:25.58 | Arrowmaster | heh the site looks to be 'gone' |
| 19:27.07 | raevanmorlock | no no, it says "it works!" |
| 19:31.55 | Mini` | My frame isn't loaded anymore :S Can it be because there is xml errors? |
| 19:32.10 | Kaso | yes it can be |
| 19:32.12 | Shirik | it can be for a million reasons :P |
| 19:32.16 | Shirik | that is one |
| 19:32.29 | Mini` | :/ |
| 19:32.39 | Kaso | check FrameXML.log |
| 19:32.50 | Mini` | I'l do |
| 19:39.08 | Shirik | grrr |
| 19:39.14 | Shirik | if the server is busy when you try to post |
| 19:39.20 | Shirik | why does it make you wait 60 seconds before posting again |
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| 19:45.44 | raevanmorlock | I figured out how to do the assignment operator stuff with C# =) |
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| 19:48.59 | Shirik | oh? |
| 19:49.01 | Shirik | what did you do? |
| 19:49.03 | raevanmorlock | Since everything in C# is an object... rather than trying to overload the assignment operator, you tell it how to do the conversion from one object to another.. in this case, I did from an int to an Angle (and vice versa) |
| 19:49.11 | Shirik | ah right |
| 19:49.44 | raevanmorlock | or actually.. I should do an implicit conversion with floats and explicit with integers.. I think |
| 19:50.12 | Shirik | hey.... do you know .Net btw? |
| 19:50.22 | raevanmorlock | because floats don't lose precision and an int would... but I think the int part is handled for me |
| 19:50.46 | raevanmorlock | Umm... I know things about .Net |
| 19:50.55 | Shirik | more specifically, mixing MFC and .Net |
| 19:50.58 | Shirik | ok or not ok? |
| 19:51.27 | Shirik | ok I'll just ask my question directly |
| 19:51.46 | Shirik | I want to open a file, and I can't figure out how to do it with .Net. So I'm using .Net's open file dialog,and then passing the filename to a MFC CFile |
| 19:51.55 | Shirik | but I can't convert the string properly, so CFile::Open won't take it |
| 19:52.07 | raevanmorlock | haha.. I don't know what MFC is |
| 19:52.14 | Shirik | ok nm then :P |
| 19:52.25 | Shirik | do you know how to open a file with .Net? |
| 19:52.34 | cogwheel | "I want to open a file, and I can't figure out how to do it with .Net." .... don't you think that would be a better thing to figure out than trying to mix .Net with MFC? |
| 19:52.36 | cogwheel | :P |
| 19:52.43 | Shirik | yes cog I know >< |
| 19:52.45 | Shirik | but I was being lazy |
| 19:53.05 | Shirik | I guess I'll be browsing the MSDN tonight |
| 19:53.48 | raevanmorlock | Textreader tr = new StreamReader("data.txt"); tr.ReadLine(); tr.Close(); // Does this help? |
| 19:54.20 | Shirik | It got me on the right track |
| 19:54.24 | Shirik | System.IO is exactly what I was looking for |
| 19:54.26 | Shirik | thanks :) |
| 19:54.48 | Shirik | I'm doing binary files so I think I need a BinaryReader |
| 19:54.50 | Shirik | but yeah |
| 19:55.07 | raevanmorlock | ooh IO.. I was looking for that first, but I was tryin System.Input |
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| 19:57.01 | Tem | I wish c# had an easy to browse refernce like java does |
| 19:57.43 | raevanmorlock | Isn't that what the MSDN is? |
| 19:58.09 | Tem | msdn is crap last I checked |
| 19:58.17 | Tem | the search is near useless |
| 19:58.22 | Tem | and the pages load hella slowly |
| 19:58.24 | raevanmorlock | Ok... isn't that what the MSDN is supposed to be? |
| 19:58.31 | Tem | I think so |
| 19:59.04 | raevanmorlock | Best docs I've ever found were for PHP at php.net |
| 19:59.47 | Shirik | oh |
| 19:59.50 | Shirik | I odn't use their search lol |
| 19:59.57 | Shirik | I use google's search and then find the msdn page it takes me to |
| 20:00.01 | raevanmorlock | I don't think I've ever used Java's... I had a class in it, but it was basically copying out of the book |
| 20:00.03 | Shirik | and yes, php's docs are godly |
| 20:00.20 | raevanmorlock | Shirik: Haha... yeah, I have better luck using google's search like that too |
| 20:01.25 | raevanmorlock | I've always had an affection for Perl... and I go back and try to learn it every so often... but PHP's docs make PHP so much easier |
| 20:01.40 | sergio | is there a way to make a macro to show a trinket's cooldown with just /use 13 so if I swap out the trinkets it'll work for any of them |
| 20:02.09 | raevanmorlock | Psh.. what're you doing talking about WoW in here? |
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| 20:02.24 | Shirik | sergio: 2.1.0 there will be |
| 20:02.39 | Shirik | then you can do #show 13 |
| 20:02.39 | Shirik | until then, no |
| 20:02.51 | sergio | :| |
| 20:03.25 | Shirik | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=63167579&sid=1 |
| 20:03.41 | raevanmorlock | I hate how hitting F1 on a keyword takes you to a description of the error on the keyword instead of teh keyword itself |
| 20:04.45 | raevanmorlock | Ok.. that was uninformative. Anyone know what a HashCode is generally used for? |
| 20:04.57 | Iriel | raevanmorlock: Tables |
| 20:05.04 | Iriel | raevanmorlock: Sometimes comparisons |
| 20:05.57 | Iriel | raevanmorlock: Basically you rely on the fact that (a) hashCode is cheap to calculate or calculated and remembered and (b) if hash(X) != hash(Y) then X != Y (or conversely, if hash(X) == hash(Y) then X may quite likely be equal to Y (but it may not)) |
| 20:06.27 | Iriel | If your hash code is numeric or easily converted to be numeric then you can use it for hash table index generation too |
| 20:07.06 | raevanmorlock | Iriel: Oooh I see... so it's pretty useless for somethign as simple as my Angle class--but would probably be more useful for something complex like a class that holds a game character |
| 20:07.17 | amro | you can also use it to check for data integrity |
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| 20:07.44 | Shirik | for example - passwords are often encrypted with a hash, specifically popular is MD5 (though that's declining in usage now) |
| 20:07.47 | Iriel | raevanmorlock, Well, sort of, though if you're defining 'equals' for an object you should also define how it determines its hash code |
| 20:07.57 | Shirik | specifically because you can't "undo" a hash, and like Iriel said |
| 20:08.01 | Shirik | hash(X) != hash(Y) then X != Y (or conversely, if hash(X) == hash(Y) then X may quite likely be equal to Y (but it may not)) |
| 20:08.34 | Iriel | you can sometimes, you usually can't.. And there's a subtle but important difference in the larger sense between a 'hash function' and a 'hash code', but I glossed over that 8-) |
| 20:09.08 | amro | its unlikely that you will get different objects with the same hash, but if you do there are ways to deal with it (depending on what you're using the hash for) |
| 20:09.43 | Shirik | the mpq format actually uses them |
| 20:09.43 | raevanmorlock | Well i was following this C# class for a complex number.. and it's hash code was generated by Math.Sqrt(real * real + imaginary * imaginary) ... so for my Angle class, I did Sqrt(angle * angle) -- which is just a complex way of returning the angle |
| 20:09.58 | Iriel | That's a terrible hash code |
| 20:10.10 | raevanmorlock | Well there was that possibility too |
| 20:10.19 | Iriel | it's overly expensive, for your angle just 'angle' is sufficient |
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| 20:10.39 | raevanmorlock | That's what I was saying |
| 20:11.04 | Iriel | ASsuming angle has been normalized into 0-359.99999 already |
| 20:11.13 | raevanmorlock | It has |
| 20:11.21 | Iriel | if it hasn't then you may want to do that, depending on how you've defined equals |
| 20:11.39 | Iriel | because you MUST guarantee that if X equals Y then hashCode(X) equals hashCode(Y) |
| 20:11.50 | raevanmorlock | but then the hash code returns an int... so angle a = 4.6 and angle b = 4.7 will have the same hash code |
| 20:11.55 | Iriel | the complex number was the one I was saying was 'terrible' |
| 20:12.16 | Iriel | real + imaginary would have been a much more rational hash code, it's far less expensive to calculate and no less useful |
| 20:12.49 | Shirik | well you /do/ come into the problem where |
| 20:12.56 | Shirik | 3+2i then == 2+3i |
| 20:12.56 | Iriel | raevanmorlock, Thats alright, though if 'normal use' is going to have lots of very similar angles as keys to data, then you may want to do something like angle * 100000; |
| 20:13.09 | Shirik | I take that back... in both cases they are equal |
| 20:13.09 | Iriel | shrik: You get that with theirs too |
| 20:13.14 | Shirik | yeah I just realized that >< |
| 20:13.23 | Shirik | Iriel's right that's a horrible hash code |
| 20:13.45 | Iriel | Shirik,: They're essentially as bad as one another, it's just that the equivalence lines are circular for theirs, and rectangular for mine |
| 20:14.10 | raevanmorlock | I dunno... I mean, I don't plan on using the hash code of an angle for anything so I couldn't care less what the function does. Which is why I thought I'd ask if anyone could conceive what it might be used for. |
| 20:14.29 | Iriel | raevanmorlock, Well, welcome to proper software design within an environment |
| 20:14.47 | Shirik | All you really have to do is make sure that, if A==B, then hash(A) == hash(B) |
| 20:14.53 | Iriel | raevanmorlock, I'll talk in java terms because I know it betetr, but I expect it's all equally applicable to C# |
| 20:15.03 | Shirik | if A!=B, you don't have to guarantee that hash(A)!=hash(B) but it would be preferred |
| 20:15.18 | Shirik | thus, I see no problem with just returning the angle as the hash code |
| 20:15.19 | raevanmorlock | Shirik: Yup.. that part is done |
| 20:15.23 | Iriel | You dont have to define equals or hashCode in java, there's a "default" implementation |
| 20:15.55 | raevanmorlock | C# has a default too |
| 20:15.56 | Iriel | But there's an explicit documented meaning to the two, and lots of other classes (Such as HashMap, HashSet, etc) are built expecting objects follow that meaning |
| 20:16.45 | Iriel | If you implement them inconsistently (Often that means implementing equals, but not hashCode) then anyone who tries to use your objects in the standard libraries starts to get strange results |
| 20:17.10 | Iriel | Hopefully there's a tool like java's CheckStyle for C# that can do static checking ofyour code and warn you if you've done silly things like that |
| 20:17.59 | Iriel | The tricky thing with hash codes is that there's rarely a single "right" has code for an object, you have to pick one that makes sense in the common usages of your objects |
| 20:18.17 | Iriel | Technically a hash code implementation that always returns 0 is absolutely correct, but it's not very useful. |
| 20:21.40 | raevanmorlock | So when would you do hash == hash instead of obj == obj? |
| 20:22.29 | raevanmorlock | Or would it be more like : if ( hash == hash && obj == obj ) { /* code */ } |
| 20:22.30 | Iriel | You'd usually do it as a first step BEFORE doing obj == obje |
| 20:22.34 | Shirik | perhaps it's incredibly difficult |
| 20:22.35 | Iriel | if obj == obj is really expensive |
| 20:22.37 | Shirik | to do obj == obj |
| 20:22.37 | Iriel | yes |
| 20:22.51 | Shirik | take a case where your class stores an array of 500 integers |
| 20:22.59 | Shirik | obj == obj would imply you test every single one of those integers |
| 20:23.10 | Shirik | whereas hash == hash could potentially be much simpler |
| 20:23.22 | raevanmorlock | right |
| 20:24.13 | Shirik | for example, maybe the hash is calculated as the number of integers * the first integer * the last integer; that would most definitely be cheaper than testing all 500 integers, and would give you a quick test to see if it's /possible/ that they are equal |
| 20:24.34 | Iriel | You'd use + and not * |
| 20:24.42 | Iriel | * is bad for numbers, since 0 cancels all of the other values |
| 20:24.44 | Iriel | 8-) |
| 20:24.48 | Shirik | ah good point |
| 20:25.26 | raevanmorlock | maybe they're non-zero integers =P |
| 20:25.27 | Iriel | but num + 31 * first + 73 * last or something crazy like that works niucely |
| 20:25.50 | Shirik | unless first is -73 :P |
| 20:25.57 | raevanmorlock | lol |
| 20:26.03 | Iriel | Why, that's not an issue |
| 20:26.04 | raevanmorlock | you mean last |
| 20:26.09 | raevanmorlock | if last is -73 |
| 20:26.11 | Shirik | oh wait |
| 20:26.17 | Shirik | I need to go back to sleep I think |
| 20:26.27 | raevanmorlock | no that wouldn't work either |
| 20:26.32 | Shirik | no that's pretty good |
| 20:26.56 | raevanmorlock | yeah I don't think you can zero that expression |
| 20:27.09 | raevanmorlock | unless they're all 0 |
| 20:27.19 | Shirik | in which case I think it would be logical for the hash to be zero |
| 20:27.24 | raevanmorlock | definitely |
| 20:27.40 | Iriel | Zeroing the expression is fine, it's just having one value remove the significance of the others that's bad |
| 20:27.54 | Iriel | changing any of the 'inputs' to a hash should, ideally, change the hash |
| 20:27.54 | raevanmorlock | That's what I meant |
| 20:28.17 | raevanmorlock | I don't think there's any one value that would make teh whole expression 0 |
| 20:28.58 | Shirik | there's typically a case where hash(A) == hash(B) while A!=B, but the trick is to make it as unlikely as possible |
| 20:29.08 | Shirik | and then from there |
| 20:29.14 | Shirik | test if A==B if it's absolutely necessary |
| 20:29.27 | Shirik | after you've compared the hashes |
| 20:30.29 | Shirik | right, shower time |
| 20:30.30 | Shirik | have fun |
| 20:30.53 | Iriel | Another word of wisdom, related to that, is if you're implemening an equals method, try and do the cheapest tests first |
| 20:31.01 | Iriel | That way when stuff is not equal you escape faster |
| 20:31.05 | raevanmorlock | Say... since you guys are so smart... do you know of any algorithms that'd enforce that a number is in the range [0, 360)? I came up with num % 360 -- but that doesn't work for negative numbers |
| 20:31.22 | Iriel | Your math library should have an fmod function |
| 20:31.33 | Iriel | Ah, your problem is negatives, that's fairly easy |
| 20:31.34 | raevanmorlock | right.. cheap things and things likely to fail... I was reading about that the other day--somewhere |
| 20:32.29 | Iriel | You just have to do it using mod but check if you're < 0, and compensate by reversing the answer there... I'll see if I can give an easy example |
| 20:32.51 | raevanmorlock | I came up with : value = Math.Abs(value); value = value % 360; value = 360 - value; value = value % 360; |
| 20:33.09 | wereHamster | will this work? (num + 360) % 360 - assuming num can't be smaller than -360 |
| 20:33.17 | Iriel | value = Math.Mod(value, 360); if (value < 0) then value = 360 - value; end |
| 20:33.24 | Iriel | Or whatever your syntax is |
| 20:33.24 | raevanmorlock | But num could be smaller.. it could be -109238.2983 |
| 20:33.30 | Iriel | Do check that % doesn't cast its argument into an int |
| 20:33.42 | Iriel | return math.mod(-12234359.9,360) |
| 20:33.43 | Iriel | -119.90000000037 |
| 20:33.46 | Shirik|Cleansing | in C++, % is only valid for integers |
| 20:33.47 | Iriel | You should be fine |
| 20:33.58 | Shirik|Cleansing | iirc |
| 20:34.06 | raevanmorlock | It probably won't if I do 360f |
| 20:34.06 | Shirik|Cleansing | I'm not sure how they would have taken that to C# |
| 20:34.07 | Iriel | Indeed, same with most languages *I* know, I suspect that's the same in C# |
| 20:34.23 | raevanmorlock | The modulus operator (%) computes the remainder after dividing its first operand by its second. All numeric types have predefined modulus operators. |
| 20:34.36 | Iriel | Hm, then you may be okay |
| 20:34.38 | Iriel | Easy enough to test |
| 20:35.32 | raevanmorlock | value wouldn't be < 0 after modding it, would it? |
| 20:36.25 | Shirik|Cleansing | int r = 0; if (value < 0) { r = 360 - ( Math.Abs(value) % 360 ) } else { r = value % 360 }; return r |
| 20:36.37 | Shirik|Cleansing | hrm.... |
| 20:37.24 | raevanmorlock | The problem I was having.. and I think that has... is if value is 360 then 360 % 360 == 0 and 360 - 0 is 360.. but the angle can't be 360 |
| 20:37.34 | raevanmorlock | rather.. if it's -360 |
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| 20:38.55 | Shirik|Cleansing | return ((value < 0)?360:0) + (value % 360) |
| 20:38.57 | Shirik|Cleansing | perhaps? |
| 20:39.05 | Shirik|Cleansing | if you did -1 % 360 ... does it give you -1 or an error? |
| 20:39.20 | raevanmorlock | -1 |
| 20:39.24 | Shirik|Cleansing | ok then that should work |
| 20:39.27 | Shirik|Cleansing | ((value < 0)?360:0) + (value % 360) |
| 20:40.01 | Shirik|Cleansing | (hoping C# has the trinary operator) |
| 20:41.30 | Shirik|Cleansing | yup it exists |
| 20:41.33 | Shirik|Cleansing | so try that out, let me know how it works |
| 20:41.35 | Shirik|Cleansing | off to shower |
| 20:41.45 | raevanmorlock | thanks |
| 20:42.36 | raevanmorlock | ok.. you're function is returning 360 instead of 0 and Iriel's is returning the absolute value of the number (like -700 becomes 700) |
| 20:42.55 | Iriel | You messed mine up then |
| 20:43.00 | Iriel | or your mod function sucks |
| 20:43.00 | raevanmorlock | lol probably |
| 20:43.10 | Iriel | what does -700 % 360 give you? |
| 20:43.38 | Iriel | If it's not -340 then you have to do more than you possibly want to do |
| 20:44.06 | Iriel | mine checks the sign of value **AFTER** the mod |
| 20:44.18 | JoshBorke | purl, comfort Cairenn |
| 20:44.19 | purl | There, there, Cairenn. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 20:44.22 | Iriel | Which is why Shirik|Cleansing's is broken because it doesn |
| 20:45.00 | raevanmorlock | Well, I'm testing the algorithms in Javascript because my C# project is set as a DLL and can't output anything |
| 20:45.21 | Cide | in lua, -700 % 360 == 20 |
| 20:46.05 | raevanmorlock | JS gives -340 for -700 % 360 |
| 20:46.33 | Iriel | So using js, and my algorithm |
| 20:46.48 | Iriel | you get the right result (which lua does nicely by default) |
| 20:47.31 | raevanmorlock | well.. there's something bizarro happening with your algorithm at the moment |
| 20:47.47 | Iriel | it's 2 steps and an if, how can it get bizzaro? |
| 20:48.08 | JoshBorke | hey! have you seen the SetTexCoords?! that's bizzaro! |
| 20:48.10 | Iriel | value = value % 360; if (value < 0) { value = 360-value; } |
| 20:48.59 | raevanmorlock | That's exactly what I have... and JS reports then that an angle of -700 equals 700 |
| 20:49.05 | raevanmorlock | and it just gets even more weird from there.. |
| 20:49.16 | Iriel | I'd suggest your test values include 0, 360, -360, -720, 720, 30.5 and -30.5 |
| 20:49.48 | raevanmorlock | The postives are fine |
| 20:50.24 | raevanmorlock | the negatives do 0 when they should.. and range 380 to 700 otherwise |
| 20:51.44 | Shirik | ((value < 0)?360:0) + (value % 360) gives you a value of 360? |
| 20:51.51 | Shirik | I... don't see how that's possible |
| 20:52.32 | raevanmorlock | Iriel sounded like he did |
| 20:52.38 | Shirik | value % 360 must be in the range of (-360, 360) |
| 20:52.58 | Shirik | the only time it will be (-360,0) will be when value<0, under which case it will add 360 to the number |
| 20:53.07 | Shirik | if it's >= 0, then it will be [0,360) and will add 0 |
| 20:53.50 | Shirik | but... there's one flaw |
| 20:54.00 | Shirik | I'm pretty sure JS converts floats to integers |
| 20:54.02 | raevanmorlock | Maybe it's JS.... I'll make a new C# project with a textbox or something |
| 20:54.03 | Shirik | before doing the mod |
| 20:54.11 | raevanmorlock | I'm testing with all integers |
| 20:54.14 | Shirik | ok |
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| 20:54.21 | Shirik | what value did you give that came out with 360? |
| 20:58.11 | raevanmorlock | each increment of 360 |
| 20:59.29 | raevanmorlock | Any idea how to make a line-break character in C#? |
| 20:59.40 | raevanmorlock | nevermind |
| 21:00.27 | raevanmorlock | C# is giving me the same answers |
| 21:01.18 | raevanmorlock | return ((value < 0) ? 360 : 0) + (value % 360); |
| 21:01.31 | raevanmorlock | value = value % 360; if (value < 0) { value = 360 - value; } return value; |
| 21:01.49 | raevanmorlock | they're correct, yes? |
| 21:03.33 | Mini` | How do i delete a frame programatacily? |
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| 21:04.00 | raevanmorlock | Actually, Shirik, on 0, 360, and 720 -- I'm getting 0. It's only on the negatives (-360 and -720) that I'm getting 360 |
| 21:04.38 | Shirik | Mini` : It's impossible to destroy a frame, period. |
| 21:04.55 | Mini` | Damn :/ |
| 21:04.57 | Shirik | raevanmorlock: I see that now, one second, dealing with maintenance guys here >< |
| 21:04.59 | Mini` | Okay i'l do it another way then |
| 21:05.41 | Shirik | hmm |
| 21:05.48 | raevanmorlock | You can't destroy frames? ... but you can create them? I guess that makes sense. |
| 21:05.59 | Shirik | Mini` in most cases it's not something to worry about |
| 21:06.10 | Shirik | in the worst case scenario, you can make a pool of frames and reuse them as necessary |
| 21:06.20 | Abenadi | When I have a frame that is draggable through StartMoving(), and want to save the position, do I retrieve the current position through the X and Y offsets in GetPoint()? |
| 21:06.45 | Shirik | I believe that's how I did it |
| 21:08.51 | Mini` | Sorry if i am lazy but can i ask if it's possible / how to change a frame |
| 21:08.55 | Mini` | Frame's name* |
| 21:08.58 | Iriel | You can always reload the UI if you *REALLY* need to destroy a frame |
| 21:09.09 | Iriel | Mini I dont think so in any useful way |
| 21:09.17 | Mini` | Hmm annoying xD' |
| 21:09.19 | Iriel | Mini you can obviously change the name of the variable(s) that reference it though |
| 21:09.36 | Mini` | Yearh sure |
| 21:09.38 | Iriel | frame- name-dependent code is usually avoidable |
| 21:09.52 | raevanmorlock | Hrm.. Iriel's works if I change it from 360 - value to 360 + value (value is negative after the modulus) |
| 21:10.57 | Iriel | Oh, doh |
| 21:11.02 | Iriel | That's right -) |
| 21:11.10 | Iriel | i'd abs'ed it in my head 8-) |
| 21:12.06 | Shirik | ldaa 0,x |
| 21:12.07 | Shirik | anda #%00001111 ; Get right side |
| 21:12.07 | Shirik | staa disp_data+1 ; Store into LED digit 2 |
| 21:12.08 | Shirik | oops... |
| 21:12.12 | Shirik | sorry wrong window >< |
| 21:13.42 | Iriel | That looks interesting |
| 21:13.49 | raevanmorlock | Looks like ASM |
| 21:14.12 | Iriel | but what's it controlling, that's the magic question |
| 21:14.34 | amro | robots with lasers? |
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| 21:15.01 | raevanmorlock | Something with at least 2 LED digits |
| 21:15.14 | raevanmorlock | Sounds like a calculator to me |
| 21:16.00 | amro | or its the display for a thermonuclear bomb |
| 21:16.10 | raevanmorlock | I still can't figure out why Shirik's formula doesn't work... it's basically identical to Iriel's now and that one works |
| 21:16.19 | Shirik | I know why it doesn't work |
| 21:16.42 | Shirik | if you have a value -360, it does -360 % 360 (== 0) and then adds 360 |
| 21:16.51 | raevanmorlock | amro: True.. it could be the countdownt imer. That's much more interesting than a calculator |
| 21:16.52 | Shirik | it only doesn't work for negative multiples of 360 |
| 21:17.02 | Shirik | oh |
| 21:17.17 | Shirik | it's asm for motorola 68hcs12 microcontroller |
| 21:17.17 | raevanmorlock | My typing is pitiful.. |
| 21:17.38 | Iriel | ah, that's why it looked sorta familiar |
| 21:17.43 | raevanmorlock | Or at least that's what they want us to think.. |
| 21:17.49 | Shirik | had to take a 8 bit integer, store the high 4 bits into one byte and then store the low 4 bits in another byte |
| 21:17.51 | Iriel | Last time I did any ASM was on a 68000 |
| 21:18.11 | Shirik | they're pretty similar |
| 21:18.20 | Iriel | raevanmorlock, The problem with shirik's is that it checks the sign BEFORE the mod, so it would need to re-check for zero before applying the 360 offset |
| 21:18.43 | Iriel | I switched to C shortly after that and haven't really looked back |
| 21:18.58 | Shirik | I'm kinda forced to use asm here :P |
| 21:19.02 | Shirik | this is for a lab |
| 21:19.11 | Shirik | that I'm rushing to write the report for because it's in 30 minutes >< |
| 21:19.17 | pastamancer | heh |
| 21:19.56 | raevanmorlock | Iriel: Oh.. right. Kind of like my solution where I ended up just modding it twice. |
| 21:20.06 | pastamancer | The 68HC11 was a fun little microcontroller, but I think I prefered the Z80 |
| 21:20.35 | raevanmorlock | pastamancer? You play KOL? |
| 21:20.44 | pastamancer | used to |
| 21:21.02 | raevanmorlock | Did you ever donate? |
| 21:21.44 | pastamancer | nah, sure the Mr. A was nice, but I wasn't crazy about it |
| 21:21.57 | raevanmorlock | lol ok |
| 21:22.23 | Shirik | Z80 |
| 21:22.27 | Shirik | isn't that what the TI calculators use? |
| 21:22.50 | raevanmorlock | Sounds familar |
| 21:23.05 | pastamancer | the 89 and the 92 use 68000s, the others used Z80s |
| 21:23.19 | Shirik | that explains it |
| 21:23.31 | Shirik | yeah I used to do assembly for TI-83, then wehn I got an 89 it started to use C |
| 21:23.35 | pastamancer | the Z80 was used in all sorts of other places like say, the gameboy |
| 21:24.12 | raevanmorlock | Right.. I heard about that last year in one of my classes |
| 21:24.43 | Tem | I learned assembly for the first time with the Z80 chip |
| 21:24.47 | pastamancer | oh, and CPM originally ran on the Z80 |
| 21:24.54 | Tem | (and yes, it was for the TI calculators) |
| 21:25.05 | Shirik | that was my first experience with assembly too ^^; |
| 21:25.12 | Tem | though, it was a bit over my head when I was in the 6th grade |
| 21:25.14 | Shirik | maybe... 9th grade. I was determined to make a game for it. |
| 21:25.18 | Tem | but I eventually got a hold of it |
| 21:25.30 | Shirik | ever played challenge 24? |
| 21:25.32 | raevanmorlock | I had an Assembly class for some intel chip on a PC... it was fun, but I can't imagine doing real-world stuff on it |
| 21:25.46 | Shirik | For microcontrollers, assembly makes some sense |
| 21:25.55 | Shirik | but in all honesty, most things are too complex to write in assembly |
| 21:26.03 | Shirik | Which is why most go with C, and then little segments are written in assembly |
| 21:26.14 | Shirik | since you can embed assembly code in your C |
| 21:26.27 | Tem | I never got as far as a game, but I did write a little thing to graph an implicit function |
| 21:26.38 | raevanmorlock | Would embedding assembly code make it less portable? |
| 21:26.53 | Shirik | less portable across processors, yes |
| 21:27.00 | Shirik | but most computers use the IA32 instruction set anyway |
| 21:27.14 | Shirik | and more importantly, when you're working that low level, you're probably writing for a microcontroller specifically |
| 21:27.16 | raevanmorlock | They tried explaining that in the class, but it never made much sense |
| 21:27.35 | Shirik | and you don't need to worry about portability |
| 21:27.36 | Tem | typically you only use assembly for writing *really* low level stuff |
| 21:27.38 | pastamancer | usually embedded asm is #ifdef'd with the C equivalent available for other architectures |
| 21:28.11 | Tem | something like the OS on a cell phone |
| 21:28.23 | Shirik | in which case you don't really need to worry about portability |
| 21:28.24 | Tem | but I guess those are using embedded systems nowadays... |
| 21:28.30 | Shirik | because you know exactly what you're writing |
| 21:28.32 | Shirik | for |
| 21:29.26 | raevanmorlock | Yeah... that's another reason I like C# -- I can let Microsoft worry about .Net's portability |
| 21:30.06 | raevanmorlock | I think I'm gonna go heat up my friend's lunch and eat it for her |
| 21:30.57 | Shirik | Another reason I hate C# |
| 21:31.01 | Shirik | I have to trust Microsoft |
| 21:31.46 | raevanmorlock | haha |
| 21:32.26 | raevanmorlock | Have you seen the XNA stuff? You can write games that are portable to the 360. |
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| 21:42.07 | Abenadi | If I set the transparency for a frame's texture, that doesn't affect the texture transparency of child frames, right? |
| 21:43.31 | raevanmorlock | Try it out :) |
| 21:43.36 | Abenadi | I am wondering if I can add transparency to a set of overlapping frames, while still allowing the top frame to completely conceal a portion of an underlying frame, so that you see the world behind it but not the underlying frame |
| 21:43.53 | Abenadi | at work! you guys are my wow : ) |
| 21:44.46 | raevanmorlock | haha... well, I don't know, but I imagine the way it should work is that a child frame would inherit the transparency of the parent frame. However, after setting the parent frame's transparency, you may be able to set the child frame's transparency to a different value and have it work that way |
| 21:45.05 | pastamancer | transparency is additive |
| 21:45.06 | raevanmorlock | Otherwise, have the child frame not be a child frame but just on top of the frame that would be its parent |
| 21:45.17 | pastamancer | as far as I can tell at least |
| 21:45.40 | Abenadi | I think I need to figure out blend modes or something |
| 21:46.27 | raevanmorlock | Additive? So a child at 50% opaque with a parent at 50% would put the child at 25%? |
| 21:46.54 | Tem | multiplicative is probably a better description |
| 21:46.59 | Tem | but yes, that's how it works |
| 21:47.06 | pastamancer | err, yeah |
| 21:47.10 | raevanmorlock | That would make sense.. if you could then set the child to 200% opaque with the parent at 50% |
| 21:48.06 | Tem | whether or not values greater than one are accepted doesn't change the accuracy of the description |
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| 21:48.53 | raevanmorlock | I meant... it would make sense to do it that way if.. yadda yadda |
| 21:48.58 | Esamynn | 0 evaluates to false in php right? |
| 21:49.07 | Shirik | not exactly |
| 21:49.12 | Shirik | 0 == false, but 0 !== false |
| 21:49.21 | raevanmorlock | 0 is falsey |
| 21:49.42 | Shirik | be very cautious of the difference between == and === in php |
| 21:49.44 | Shirik | and != and !== |
| 21:49.46 | Shirik | off to lab |
| 21:53.59 | raevanmorlock | next question! |
| 21:56.56 | Tem | oh wow |
| 21:57.07 | Tem | you guys see armory.worldofwarcraft.com? |
| 21:57.38 | zenzelezz | can you re-link without the question mark? I'm too lazy to copy-paste the URL |
| 21:57.44 | bleetah | very pretty |
| 21:58.02 | Tem | no, I am not relinking |
| 21:58.07 | Tem | I typed it from scratch |
| 21:58.21 | Mini` | http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com |
| 21:58.25 | zenzelezz | can't be important enough for me then; I'm sure I'll see the link again sometime |
| 21:58.27 | zenzelezz | lol, thanks |
| 21:58.27 | Tem | the character search either doesn't work or is very slow |
| 21:58.42 | Abenadi | connection is timing out for me... what is it? |
| 21:58.50 | bleetah | tem: note the green word in the top left ;) |
| 21:58.56 | Tem | yeah |
| 21:58.59 | bleetah | "The Armory is a vast searchable database of information for World of Warcraft - taken straight from the real servers, updated in real time, and presented in a user-friendly interface. Since the Armory pulls its data from the actual game servers, it is the most comprehensive and up-to-date database on the characters, arena teams, and guilds of World of Warcraft in existence." |
| 21:59.04 | Tem | but it does appear to work now |
| 21:59.07 | Tem | I just found myself |
| 22:00.49 | subbot | i found myself, but it doesn't display any information about me |
| 22:00.49 | Tem | it's still trying to load me, but I found it in the search results |
| 22:00.49 | zenzelezz | sounds like some EQ2 premium (rip off) service |
| 22:00.49 | Tem | except it looks free |
| 22:00.50 | zenzelezz | would be cool |
| 22:00.50 | Tem | and yes indeed, very pretty |
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| 22:01.34 | raevanmorlock | Link is timing out for me :\ |
| 22:02.23 | Cide | very slow |
| 22:02.33 | Shadowed | Tem: It's using week old data |
| 22:02.36 | Abenadi | armory.wow-europe.com is a bit better I think |
| 22:02.38 | Cide | no it's not |
| 22:02.41 | Abenadi | speed-wise I mean, right now |
| 22:02.46 | Cide | my gear set from today is up to date |
| 22:03.09 | bleetah | yeah, the data it's using is a bit outta date, not at all live yet .. how can I tell? my main told the guild it was in where to get off ;) |
| 22:03.18 | Shadowed | Cide: We're #4 in Nightfall with a 1931 rating, it's showing #6 with 1825 |
| 22:03.21 | Shadowed | we had 1825 last week |
| 22:03.55 | raevanmorlock | Does anyone here use OS 10? |
| 22:04.16 | Tem | I have no use for fruit |
| 22:04.43 | raevanmorlock | ha. I heard Vista is a rip-off of OS 10 by two of my mac friends, but I hasn't used a Mac since I was 8 |
| 22:05.08 | Shadowed | I wish Blizzard would stop using so much Javascript and such in there pages |
| 22:05.12 | Tem | you should know by now to take everything a mac fanboy says with a grain of salt |
| 22:05.25 | Shadowed | it's cool right up until the part where it takes forever to load and lags |
| 22:05.29 | Tem | Shadowed, what difference? |
| 22:05.35 | foxlit | XML, too. |
| 22:05.35 | Tem | The lag isn't in the ui |
| 22:05.40 | Tem | it's in the db access |
| 22:05.45 | bleetah | *it's a beta*, fer crying out loud |
| 22:05.58 | Shadowed | I meant in general, not just that page |
| 22:06.57 | bleetah | you could always disable JS for worldofwarcraft.com |
| 22:07.03 | bleetah | if it irks you that much |
| 22:07.21 | foxlit | That'd break a lot of functionality, though |
| 22:08.50 | Esamynn | "The Armory supports Internet Explorer (version 6.0 and up), Opera 9, and Safari. However, the Armory is best experienced with Firefox. " |
| 22:08.53 | bleetah | #define a_lot |
| 22:08.53 | AnduinLothar | wtf... anyone read the blizzard news page today? |
| 22:08.56 | AnduinLothar | The Warcraft Armory |
| 22:09.02 | Tem | lol @ anduin |
| 22:09.05 | Tem | you're 5 minutes behind |
| 22:09.11 | AnduinLothar | i just got back qq |
| 22:09.41 | AnduinLothar | oh wow, you're right lol (scrolled up) |
| 22:10.09 | raevanmorlock | that was exciting |
| 22:11.06 | raevanmorlock | It still doesn't load for me.. stupid Blizzard |
| 22:11.20 | foxlit | Haha. |
| 22:11.32 | raevanmorlock | So what's everyone's take on Vista? |
| 22:11.42 | foxlit | Adding wow.com to restricted sites will just blankly refuse to display _any_ of the front page |
| 22:11.54 | foxlit | (something about not allowing display of XML using stylesheets) |
| 22:11.59 | Tem | raevanmorlock, so far, compared to xp, I <3 it |
| 22:12.38 | cladhaire | its killer on a virtual machine |
| 22:12.41 | cladhaire | unless you disable the caching |
| 22:12.44 | AnduinLothar | I installed Vista on my mac pro (3rd HD) |
| 22:12.44 | cladhaire | which i dont even know if i can do |
| 22:12.47 | foxlit | I wish flash would support middleclicks |
| 22:12.53 | raevanmorlock | Tem: What's different? I heard alot of people had to upgrade their systems just to get the same performance.. so I can't afford to get it right now =\ |
| 22:12.58 | AnduinLothar | it works flawlessly so far |
| 22:13.02 | bleetah | /facepalm |
| 22:13.16 | cladhaire | AnduinLothar: are you bootcamping or vmware/parallel? |
| 22:13.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | the armory doesn't seem to lke firefox |
| 22:13.35 | AnduinLothar | bootcamp for vista. but i have XP installed in VMWare |
| 22:13.44 | cladhaire | yeah |
| 22:13.48 | cladhaire | vista in parallels sucks |
| 22:13.53 | cladhaire | cause it uses all the memory allocated to it |
| 22:13.55 | cladhaire | basically |
| 22:14.03 | AnduinLothar | I did some hax and got my NTSF drive writable in OS X |
| 22:14.12 | AnduinLothar | NTFS* |
| 22:14.46 | AnduinLothar | so now i have 1 drive of OS X Journaled and the other 2 are NTFS. |
| 22:15.12 | AnduinLothar | music on the non boot NTFS so i can play it in itunes on both OS X and in Vista |
| 22:15.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | why is it armory on wow-europe and not armoury :O |
| 22:15.26 | AnduinLothar | lol |
| 22:15.31 | foxlit | Europe is enUS all the way :) |
| 22:15.55 | AnduinLothar | Conform or die! |
| 22:16.14 | Esamynn | ~bzfrag AnduinLothar |
| 22:16.18 | purl | ACTION blindsides AnduinLothar with an invisible bullet |
| 22:16.31 | Tem | Mr_Rabies2, if you read the front page, you see that "The Armory supports Internet Explorer (version 6.0 and up), Opera 9, and Safari. However, the Armory is best experienced with Firefox" |
| 22:16.32 | raevanmorlock | I'll take secret option C! |
| 22:16.40 | AnduinLothar | The Armory: You have encountered an error. |
| 22:16.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | hrm, really tem? |
| 22:16.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | it really doesn't like me at all |
| 22:16.58 | Esamynn | Mr_Rabies2: yes, I quoted that line earlier |
| 22:17.01 | Tem | nope, I just made that shit up and didn't copy it from the page at all |
| 22:17.16 | AnduinLothar | and it doesn't load in FF at all on mac |
| 22:17.18 | raevanmorlock | armory hasn't load for me yet in Firefox or IE |
| 22:17.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's not working any better in ie so it's just getting hammered |
| 22:17.47 | AnduinLothar | i got the guild page to work in Camino |
| 22:17.54 | AnduinLothar | but clickign the guilds errors |
| 22:17.59 | raevanmorlock | ha |
| 22:18.00 | bleetah | POE! |
| 22:19.25 | AnduinLothar | i liek that the FAQ is on the bottho ont he results pages |
| 22:19.29 | AnduinLothar | oh man, the fingers... they do nothing.. |
| 22:20.09 | raevanmorlock | Edgar Allen Poe? |
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| 22:20.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's not working with characters at all for me :[ |
| 22:20.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh wells |
| 22:21.06 | AnduinLothar | erm.. why does my exact name match 12 players with the exact name and onyl 1 has 100% relevance? |
| 22:21.17 | AnduinLothar | and it isn't me! |
| 22:21.38 | AnduinLothar | altho I am the onyl lvl 70 |
| 22:21.38 | raevanmorlock | maybe he's more relevant because he's more popular than you |
| 22:22.02 | bleetah | nah, USAF General Jack D. Ripper |
| 22:22.49 | AnduinLothar | wonder if i can report people not on my server for name violations.... |
| 22:23.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/#guild-info.xml?r=Spirestone&n=Death+from+a+Butt&p=1 |
| 22:23.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | bahahaha what |
| 22:23.33 | AnduinLothar | still doesn't load at all in FF |
| 22:24.01 | Mini` | Hmm |
| 22:24.03 | Mini` | Some characters work |
| 22:24.05 | Mini` | Some doesn't |
| 22:24.09 | zenzelezz | same AnduinLothar |
| 22:24.12 | AnduinLothar | same results in Camino and Safari tho |
| 22:24.13 | Mini` | "In order to have your lifetime honorable kills displayed, you must have at least 1337 honorable kills." |
| 22:24.14 | Mini` | LOL!!! |
| 22:24.18 | AnduinLothar | (they work) |
| 22:24.23 | Mini` | Okay :S |
| 22:24.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | nothing like contributing to the hammering by searching for "bank" in the character search |
| 22:24.35 | Mini` | Some work and some don't with FF 1.5 here |
| 22:24.40 | Mini` | Haha! |
| 22:25.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's like utterly broken in IE |
| 22:25.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | it partially works in firefox |
| 22:26.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | someone needs to tell blizzard that woodgrain has been out of style for a while now |
| 22:28.01 | AnduinLothar | hater |
| 22:28.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | well that's all i've been able to see on most everythin |
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| 22:28.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | i can't critique what i can't see |
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| 22:29.26 | Esamynn | the US version of the site must be being hammered so bad it's like a DoS attack |
| 22:29.27 | raevanmorlock | Now you're just askin for someone to post some extremely bizarre/grotesque image for you to critique |
| 22:29.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | and i'd probably do it too |
| 22:30.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | it takes a lot to bother me on the internet these days |
| 22:30.20 | AnduinLothar | don't they know by nwo they need a whole server farm for any new website addition |
| 22:30.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've been around the block far too many times for much of it to bother me anymore |
| 22:30.42 | Esamynn | AnduinLothar: I bet they HAVE a server farm hosting it! |
| 22:30.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | they need to show /played time too |
| 22:30.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | if they don't |
| 22:31.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | just so you can be like /w poopsocker haha you have 300 days played |
| 22:31.39 | Esamynn | haha |
| 22:31.47 | AnduinLothar | not sure that's even possible... |
| 22:32.00 | Esamynn | Mr_Rabies2: and your time played is? |
| 22:32.07 | AnduinLothar | that's like 1 character without sleeping for 2 yrs |
| 22:32.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | like 150 days :p |
| 22:32.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | on one char |
| 22:32.31 | Esamynn | AnduinLothar: 1 year = 365 days..... |
| 22:32.38 | AnduinLothar | i meant +sleep |
| 22:32.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | probably 200-250 or so total |
| 22:32.43 | Esamynn | lol |
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| 22:33.32 | Esamynn | we have this guy in my guild, iirc he refuses to tell us his played time |
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| 22:33.33 | raevanmorlock | Hooray for boobies! |
| 22:33.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | there were people with >150 days played in my old guild in december '05 |
| 22:33.36 | Esamynn | but let me put it this way |
| 22:33.50 | Esamynn | he has *NEVER* in more than 20 months, missed a guild raid |
| 22:34.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | i bet he has more dkp that god himself |
| 22:34.09 | raevanmorlock | Maybe he's like that fat guy in that Southpark episode |
| 22:34.15 | Esamynn | we don't use dkp anymore |
| 22:34.25 | zenzelezz | I'm really glad we're doing Kharazan without DKP |
| 22:34.37 | Esamynn | we dropped DKP when BC came out, we're trying a loot council |
| 22:35.03 | AnduinLothar | i have liek 170 days i thinkl |
| 22:35.03 | zenzelezz | so far we just do the "common sense" thing, and have had no trouble... but we'll see how it goes |
| 22:36.05 | Esamynn | I think i'm around 120 days total |
| 22:36.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | loot council takes too damn long |
| 22:36.55 | Esamynn | I haven't hit 70 yet, so I don't really know |
| 22:37.07 | Cide | too long? not really |
| 22:37.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | i guess it's not too bad in a 25 man |
| 22:37.28 | Cide | besides, what keeps you from starting to clear trash to the next boss while waiting? |
| 22:37.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | but in a 40 man waiting around for the council to decide who needs it more (which is a flawed system in itself), that shit takes forever |
| 22:38.15 | Cide | flawed system? I would say it's the best system when it comes to distributing items in order to benefit the guild the most |
| 22:38.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | because there's no guarantees it'll benefit the guild most |
| 22:38.28 | Cide | assuming the people that handle it know what they're doing, of course |
| 22:38.36 | Cide | yes there is |
| 22:38.43 | Cide | at least a limited amount of control |
| 22:38.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | people like to play favorites |
| 22:38.49 | Cide | with DKP, you have no control whatsoever |
| 22:38.57 | raevanmorlock | Just give everything to me and the guild shall prosper whole-heartedly |
| 22:38.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | even subconciously |
| 22:39.15 | bleetah | nah, give them all to me. I need the DE mats |
| 22:39.23 | Cide | that's why you don't decide alone |
| 22:39.47 | raevanmorlock | But I don't even play the game! |
| 22:39.47 | Cide | but yes, that's an aspect that could potentially be harmful to the guild |
| 22:39.59 | raevanmorlock | So obviously I need them mostest |
| 22:40.11 | Cide | on the other hand, some random sucker that plays once a month could grab the best weapon in the game |
| 22:40.20 | Cide | I'd say they cancel each other |
| 22:40.25 | bleetah | I would not call such a person a sucker |
| 22:40.30 | bleetah | damned lucky ;) |
| 22:40.48 | bleetah | or highly skille din choosing when to show up :-D |
| 22:40.49 | raevanmorlock | There is no "best weapon in the game"! .. That's blasphemy! |
| 22:41.11 | zenzelezz | the loot system you use really depends a lot on the guild |
| 22:41.27 | zenzelezz | if you have enough confidence to run the bosses with group loot, you should trust a loot council |
| 22:42.57 | raevanmorlock | You should really just pawn everything and split the money up... that's fair. |
| 22:43.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | loot council tends to screw hybrids over pretty well though |
| 22:43.35 | Cide | that's a rather absurd statement and depends entirely on who's distributing loot |
| 22:43.38 | Esamynn | zenzelezz: what if you run with FFA loot? ;) |
| 22:43.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | most guilds love to screw hybrids out of stuff unless there's free dkp to go out |
| 22:44.09 | zenzelezz | Esamynn: then you really trust your guildies... I know too many in my guild use auto-loot/shift-loot to do that |
| 22:44.12 | Cide | again, depends on the people running it |
| 22:44.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | "well, rogues are likely to use it more" "he's feral, he doesn't need healing gear" |
| 22:44.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | i got a lot of that in my last guild |
| 22:44.37 | Cide | and therefore you're using it as a blanket statement? nice |
| 22:44.39 | pastamancer | that's your guild's fault |
| 22:44.39 | zenzelezz | you can't generalize from only a few guilds |
| 22:44.50 | Cide | we run with FFA too |
| 22:44.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's pretty common, it may be my server, but it happens all the time |
| 22:44.54 | Cide | have never had a problem |
| 22:44.55 | Esamynn | zenzelezz: we've run with FFA loot since before we left MC, because we had 3 or 4 incidents with Master Looting, never had a problem |
| 22:45.00 | bleetah | it's all hunter loot, anyway.. 'cept for plate. that's pally stuff, or DE mats if there's no pally around |
| 22:45.05 | Cide | including running with applicants that are there for the first time |
| 22:45.17 | Esamynn | same with us Cide |
| 22:45.20 | Shadowed | Loot council is the easiest one to corrupt and have drama caused |
| 22:45.26 | zenzelezz | Esamynn: I wouldn't mind FFA really, it's only because we have people who forget when we do :) |
| 22:45.29 | Cide | Shadowed: sure |
| 22:45.49 | zenzelezz | "let me unlock the chest for you" "[rogue] loots <item>" |
| 22:46.00 | Cide | if they loot it then it's not bop |
| 22:46.01 | Esamynn | BoP confirmation FTW |
| 22:46.20 | bleetah | master lockpicker, master skinner, master miner would be nice, too |
| 22:46.31 | zenzelezz | they still ask for confirmation on BoPs in FFA? |
| 22:46.32 | bleetah | but I digress |
| 22:46.35 | Cide | yes |
| 22:46.46 | zenzelezz | that's not "free" o_O But then I don't see a problem with FFA |
| 22:46.50 | Shadowed | Sure it is |
| 22:46.58 | Cide | BoPs always get a confirmation box as long as you're grouped |
| 22:47.02 | Shadowed | FFA means everyone can loot it |
| 22:47.14 | Shadowed | they still get a confirmation asking if they really want to loot it, but nothing stops them from hitting "Okay" |
| 22:47.42 | Cide | yeah, it's not the "roll / pass" dialog |
| 22:48.21 | Cide | I wish the BoP dialog shows what item you're trying to loot, however |
| 22:48.42 | Cide | s/shows/would show/ |
| 22:48.58 | bleetah | indeed |
| 22:49.54 | Esamynn | yes, that would be nice |
| 22:57.33 | raevanmorlock | How can I calculate an angle of movement based on something's x- and y- speed? |
| 22:59.02 | Karrion | raevanmorlock: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=77785285&sid=1&pageNo=3 post 48 or so |
| 23:01.35 | Esamynn | raevanmorlock: x and y speed in world map coordinate units? |
| 23:02.01 | raevanmorlock | No.. it's not really a WoW-related question. |
| 23:02.08 | Tem | holy cow |
| 23:02.09 | raevanmorlock | Just in general.. in 2D space. |
| 23:02.22 | Tem | I made a GM ticket about gold selling spam |
| 23:02.29 | cladhaire | anyone here a member of the ACM? |
| 23:02.31 | Tem | got a GM response in <10 minutes |
| 23:02.37 | cladhaire | or have a portal web account? |
| 23:02.41 | AnduinLothar | Cide: PopupPower did that, until I realized that taining the StaicPopups was 'a bad thing' |
| 23:02.45 | raevanmorlock | I know you can calculate horizontal and vertical speed given a total speed and angle using sin and cos.. just not sure how to reverse it |
| 23:02.53 | Tem | I've gone to a few meetings, clad, but not an official member |
| 23:02.57 | Cide | AnduinLothar: huh? |
| 23:02.58 | cladhaire | bah |
| 23:03.01 | Esamynn | arctan, plus some checking of which of the nominator and demoninator are negative |
| 23:03.07 | cladhaire | i just need someone with a web account, to see if they can get this paper for me. |
| 23:03.11 | AnduinLothar | "BoP dialog shows what item you're trying to loot" |
| 23:03.15 | Cide | oh |
| 23:03.22 | Cide | well, it should be in the default ui |
| 23:03.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | this picture is awesome: (despite the name, it's perfectly work safe) http://deepwaterpirates.net/molested.jpg |
| 23:03.47 | AnduinLothar | a lot of things should be default.. |
| 23:03.52 | cladhaire | lol |
| 23:03.57 | Esamynn | raevanmorlock: arctan( y / x ) |
| 23:04.14 | Esamynn | then check the sign of y and x to determine which quad you are in |
| 23:04.40 | AnduinLothar | world enlarger lol |
| 23:05.18 | Iriel | atan2 is your friend, if you have one available |
| 23:05.34 | cladhaire | can someone check a PDF for me: http://dump.brokendreams.net/files/p40-medin.pdf |
| 23:05.38 | cladhaire | i'm only getting one page |
| 23:05.48 | raevanmorlock | Well if I'm moving up one and right one.. that'd be 45° .. atan(1/1) gives 0.785 |
| 23:06.00 | Karrion | cladhaire: I also only get one page |
| 23:06.03 | cladhaire | =( |
| 23:06.08 | cladhaire | i desperately need this paper |
| 23:06.47 | bleetah | there's only one page in the doc |
| 23:06.48 | Esamynn | Iriel: heh, thanks, I said that, but it didn |
| 23:06.50 | Esamynn | didn't make it because of my DC |
| 23:08.07 | bleetah | Format: PDF-1.4. Number of Pages: 1. |
| 23:08.12 | Iriel | raevanmorlock, It'll be returning values in radians |
| 23:08.44 | raevanmorlock | ahhh fucker |
| 23:09.01 | cladhaire | bleetah: its supposed to be like that i guess |
| 23:09.08 | cladhaire | went back to the original published volume |
| 23:09.11 | cladhaire | its a workshop |
| 23:09.15 | cladhaire | so i'm contacting the authors |
| 23:09.22 | cladhaire | since.. well, that's 1/2 of my PhD topic |
| 23:10.43 | bleetah | ouch! |
| 23:10.47 | bleetah | purl, hug cladhaire |
| 23:10.57 | purl | ACTION hugs cladhaire tightly until cladhaire turns slightly blue |
| 23:11.38 | Cide | xchat renders your name blue, btw! |
| 23:11.47 | bleetah | heh, gaim's doing the same |
| 23:12.02 | bleetah | well, more cyan than blue.. but.. yeah :) |
| 23:13.05 | cladhaire | zomg |
| 23:13.06 | cladhaire | i'm red |
| 23:13.09 | cladhaire | and you all are orange |
| 23:13.39 | zenzelezz | everyone's greyish white, no color nonsense |
| 23:14.14 | raevanmorlock | Math sucks X( |
| 23:14.22 | Bleeter | clad's green here |
| 23:15.44 | raevanmorlock | Hey, Iriel.. you mentioned something about atan2 -- I have that. Do I just give it the x,y pair and it gives me teh angle without me worrying about quadrants? |
| 23:16.18 | Iriel | Yes, it takes care of the quandrant part |
| 23:16.24 | Iriel | which is why it takes 2 arguments instead of just a ratio |
| 23:16.38 | raevanmorlock | nice... so now I just gotta convert it |
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| 23:17.04 | raevanmorlock | What crazy-ass person ever made up radians anyhow.. oi |
| 23:17.31 | Esamynn | Math is Hard! |
| 23:17.39 | Esamynn | </whine> |
| 23:17.52 | bleetah | I blame Euclid |
| 23:17.59 | Esamynn | later all |
| 23:18.04 | bleetah | cya Esamynn |
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| 23:27.51 | bleetah | I've thought for a while that the song quoted in Srosh's quit msg would make for a great PvP video |
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| 23:33.16 | raevanmorlock | wb Shirik |
| 23:33.28 | Shirik | I'm only semi-here :P |
| 23:33.58 | Shirik | Forgot when I start up my laptop, it auto-connects to irc; I'm just eating dinner before I go home because I realized I haven't eaten all day |
| 23:34.45 | raevanmorlock | Most people are only ever semi-here anyhow |
| 23:35.12 | Shirik | this is true |
| 23:36.22 | raevanmorlock | or at least it's semi-true |
| 23:38.25 | hatado | like I just relized I have mIRC open too |
| 23:38.37 | raevanmorlock | you guys are so observant |
| 23:39.17 | Guillotine | gief wowi. /me feels lost without checking the "New and Updated" list |
| 23:39.17 | hatado | I know |
| 23:41.58 | raevanmorlock | Can an object inherit from multiple objects in OOP? |
| 23:42.08 | Iriel | Depends on the implementation |
| 23:42.48 | raevanmorlock | implementation? |
| 23:43.01 | Iriel | Multiple OBJECT inheritance is a bit tricky to do cleanly (from a development perspective) so languages like Java dont allow it. |
| 23:43.06 | Iriel | However C++ allows you to do it |
| 23:44.11 | raevanmorlock | Well I made a Sprite class that I want to inherit from both my MovingObject and RotatingObject classes... but either I'm fuckin up teh syntax or C# doesn't allow it |
| 23:44.22 | Iriel | What most OO languages seem to be happy with (and as a developer what is much easier to work with) is to allow an object to implement multiple interfaces |
| 23:44.44 | bleetah | iriel speaketh the truth |
| 23:45.36 | raevanmorlock | So have a MovingObject and RotatingObject as private data members? |
| 23:46.15 | Shirik | but java does allow something like (iirc) being an interface for multiple classes |
| 23:46.26 | Iriel | Java allows as many interfaces as you want |
| 23:46.26 | Shirik | but extend only one |
| 23:46.29 | Iriel | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:46.41 | raevanmorlock | But then I'd have to re-write their routines... or do Sprite.MovingObject.Velocity.x |
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| 23:48.06 | Shirik | why exactly are you trying to inherit multiple objects |
| 23:48.12 | Shirik | what are you trying to implement? |
| 23:48.24 | WobWork | polymorphism? |
| 23:48.42 | Shirik | er... |
| 23:48.54 | raevanmorlock | For flexibility... I figure some objects will want to move.. some will want to rotate.. others will want to do both |
| 23:49.02 | Shirik | yeah >< |
| 23:49.11 | raevanmorlock | And then obviously there's other things that will come later to extend on that.. |
| 23:49.28 | raevanmorlock | Some will want neither.. I have an Object class also that RotatingObject and MovingObject inherit from |
| 23:50.04 | Shirik | well like I've said several times today I pretty much don't know anything about c# |
| 23:50.10 | Shirik | but if it's anything like C++ it would be |
| 23:50.22 | Shirik | class MyObject : public RotatingObject, MovingObject |
| 23:50.37 | raevanmorlock | hehe.. I know. I found an article on codeproject.com that's discussing it and how to work around it |
| 23:50.55 | Shirik | your usage actually seems practical; the only times I had ever found myself inheriting multiple classes was when I was approaching the question from the wrong angle |
| 23:51.01 | Shirik | but ... sounds like that is indeed what you want to do |
| 23:51.07 | Karrion | probably easiest to have MovingObject and RotatingObject be interfaces, then implement abstract base classes BaseMovingObject (implements MovingObject), BaseRotatingObject (implements RotatingObject) and.. uh.. BaseMovingAndRotatingObject? (implements both) |
| 23:51.34 | Shirik | *disappears to head home |
| 23:51.36 | raevanmorlock | Karrion: ha.. I think that's what this article might be talking about |
| 23:51.51 | raevanmorlock | Thanks, Shirik.. ttyl |
| 23:52.03 | Karrion | (though rotating is a kind of moving... probably you want Moving as the top of the tree, then Rotating and Translating extend that) |
| 23:52.40 | Karrion | and if you find youself having to implement their methods over and over, make a Util class with the real implementation, then all the methods just call the util one |
| 23:53.18 | Iriel | I doubt BaseMovingObject makes much sense actually |
| 23:53.27 | Iriel | Since Moving is a totally generic term |
| 23:54.03 | raevanmorlock | Is translating better? It's an object that has an x/y velocity pair |
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| 23:54.21 | Karrion | yeah I think raevanmorlock was using Moving to mean Translating (as in, moving along x,y or z but not changin orientation) |
| 23:54.38 | Iriel | Yeah, Translating is far more specific |
| 23:54.59 | raevanmorlock | Translating is a new term for me... I think more of language |
| 23:55.33 | Karrion | but then translation and rotation are both just matrix multiplication >.> |
| 23:56.09 | Iriel | As it scaling, shearing, and a bunch of other non-movement transformations 8-) |
| 23:56.52 | raevanmorlock | So basically... I need to create an interface for each object and then inherit multiple interfaces and map them to objects within my object... |
| 23:58.34 | Iriel | The 'simple' objects are those which translate only, or rotate only |
| 23:58.43 | Iriel | The only tricky one is how you manage an object that both moves and translates |
| 23:58.58 | raevanmorlock | define 'moves' |
| 23:59.02 | Iriel | in C++ you'd just extend both of your other classes, and it'd magically be done (well, mostly) |
| 23:59.12 | Iriel | sorry, I THOUGHT rotates, and TYPED moves. |
| 23:59.18 | raevanmorlock | ha.. ok |
| 23:59.22 | raevanmorlock | You guys are confusing me |
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| 23:59.41 | Karrion | Well, presumably the TranslatingObject defines a method translate(x, y) |
| 23:59.49 | Iriel | In java you can only extend one of the two bases, so you have choices on how to implement the combination. |
