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`00:00.24`	`Paratus`	`this is retarded :P`
`00:00.24`	`Shirik`	`put an assert(RealmName) right at line 14`
`00:00.45`	`Paratus`	`now that I think of it`
`00:00.48`	`Shirik`	`I'll tell you what I think`
`00:00.52`	`Shirik`	`which I've been thinking for a whie`
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`00:00.58`	`Shirik`	`is that this is being initialized way too early`
`00:00.59`	`Paratus`	`I have another addon that uses the same var name "RealmName" .. would that casue a conflict?`
`00:01.05`	`Shirik`	`and you need to do this ... yes`
`00:01.12`	`Shirik`	`all addons share the same environment`
`00:01.20`	`Shirik`	`you can define it, though`
`00:01.29`	`Shirik`	`by doing local RealmName = GetCVar()`
`00:01.30`	`Paratus`	`should I change that var?`
`00:01.33`	`Shirik`	`local CharName`
`00:01.43`	`Shirik`	`which means it's local to that file`
`00:01.57`	`Paratus`	`that won't cause probs with the other addon tho?`
`00:01.58`	`Shirik`	`I would highly recommend, though, that you do that in _both_ addons if you're using a very general variable name like that`
`00:02.15`	`Shirik`	`no, basically local indicates that the variable is specific to that file`
`00:02.24`	`Shirik`	`(it can mean more than that, but that's what it means in this case)`
`00:02.43`	`Paratus`	`ok, let me test it..`
`00:02.53`	`Shirik`	`which means, in this file, it will use its local version`
`00:02.58`	`Shirik`	`in any other file, it iwll use the "global" version`
`00:03.05`	`Shirik`	`(a non-local variable is called "global")`
`00:03.48`	`Paratus`	`Yeah, I'm not new to coding, just lua. :) Usually though a local is local to a specific function, not a file.`
`00:04.34`	`Shirik`	`yes`
`00:04.48`	`Shirik`	`but lua also gives you the ability to make variables local to a file, if it's not in any function`
`00:04.56`	`wereHamster`	`Paratus, local is local to the current scope (be it file, a function or a code block`
`00:05.05`	`Shirik`	`that's a better definition :P`
`00:06.01`	`Paratus`	`Man.. wtf is the error here..`
`00:06.14`	`Shirik`	`ok so you made both addons specify that variable as local now?`
`00:06.23`	`Shirik`	`ok I'll tell you what I was saying before`
`00:06.32`	`Shirik`	`I think you're initializing way too early`
`00:07.07`	`Shirik`	`the entire block from CharName = all the way down to initializing the array should be be after..`
`00:07.53`	`Shirik`	`I believe the PLAYER_LOGIN event`
`00:07.58`	`Shirik`	`http://wowwiki.com/Events_that_fire_during_the_Loading_Process`
`00:08.13`	`Shirik`	`I'm worried that you don't have that information so early`
`00:08.23`	`Paratus`	`hmm, look at this script tho....`
`00:08.31`	`Shirik`	`what about it?`
`00:08.36`	`Paratus`	`http://wowi.pastey.net/7507`
`00:08.39`	`Paratus`	`that's another script I have`
`00:08.41`	`Paratus`	`which works fine`
`00:08.50`	`Paratus`	`see simularity up there?`
`00:09.11`	`Shirik`	`and it works fine?`
`00:09.35`	`Paratus`	`yep`
`00:09.49`	`Paratus`	`that's the other one using RealmName`
`00:09.58`	`Shirik`	`mind sending me your addon?`
`00:10.04`	`Shirik`	`I want to run something on it :P`
`00:10.05`	`wereHamster`	`Last Modified: 2005-04-01 - that's old O.o`
`00:10.21`	`Paratus`	`that's just my being too lazy to edit that line`
`00:10.24`	`Shirik`	`heh`
`00:10.24`	`Paratus`	`I'm the only one who uses it :P`
`00:10.34`	`Paratus`	`what addon, shir?`
`00:10.42`	`Shirik`	`the addon in question`
`00:10.47`	`Shirik`	`the one that gives errors`
`00:10.54`	`Paratus`	`sure`
`00:10.59`	`Shirik`	`i.e., all three files, the toc xml (if it exists) and lua`
`00:11.10`	`Paratus`	`k`
`00:11.12`	`Paratus`	`dcc good?`
`00:11.15`	`Shirik`	`sure`
`00:11.22`	`Shirik`	`I never received a dcc on this connection but it should take`
`00:11.39`	`Shirik`	`correction: NOW it should take`
`00:11.44`	`Shirik`	`the daman windows firewall turned itself on`
`00:11.49`	`Shirik`	`s/daman/damn/`
`00:12.05`	`Paratus`	`awaiting reply ;)`
`00:12.12`	`Tem\|Work`	`there's rabits in the mainframe!`
`00:12.16`	`Shirik`	`there is`
`00:12.31`	`Paratus`	`I'll just throw it on one of my web servers heh`
`00:13.07`	`Shirik`	`yeah I'm too lazy to really figure out why it's not working atm`
`00:13.28`	`Shirik`	`I've been having trouble with my VNC too; glad I found out why that hasn't been working`
`00:13.30`	`Shirik`	`stupid firewall`
`00:13.40`	`Tem\|Work`	`vnc`
`00:13.41`	`Tem\|Work`	`ew`
`00:13.44`	`Shirik`	`I'm old-school`
`00:13.45`	`Shirik`	`ok?`
`00:13.46`	`Tem\|Work`	`<3 rdp`
`00:13.51`	`Paratus`	`http://www.jtf.ca/files/GuideTool.zip`
`00:13.59`	`Paratus`	`throw it in \addons`
`00:14.04`	`Tem\|Work`	`vnc is useful for tech support`
`00:14.11`	`Tem\|Work`	`and really nothing else`
`00:14.25`	`TC_Working`	`yea, i <3 rdp...till it *#@&$@) up on me`
`00:14.30`	`Shirik`	`heh`
`00:15.47`	`Shirik`	`I love VFL's error detection ^^`
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`00:16.49`	`Shirik`	`purl, comfort Paratus`
`00:16.52`	`purl`	`There, there, Paratus. It's OK. I'm here for you.`
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`00:17.06`	`Paratus`	`Ahh, that's better..`
`00:17.52`	`Paratus`	`Seriously though, wtf? I even disabled my other addon which shared the var names just in case`
`00:21.16`	`Paratus`	`hmm`
`00:21.31`	`Paratus`	`I did : /script DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage(GuideTool_CharData[RealmTitle][CharName] or "nil");`
`00:21.34`	`Paratus`	`and it got an error`
`00:22.08`	`wereHamster`	`Paratus, now RealmTitle is undefined`
`00:22.13`	`wereHamster`	`.. you made it local`
`00:22.47`	`Paratus`	`oh ignore that.. on my recent version it's not`
`00:23.23`	`wereHamster`	`I installed your addon, no error, and type(GuideTool_CharData[GetCVar("realmName")]) returns "table"`
`00:23.27`	`Shirik`	`strange`
`00:23.28`	`Shirik`	`yeah`
`00:23.31`	`Shirik`	`I don't get anything`
`00:24.04`	`Shirik`	`nope I get it`
`00:24.08`	`Shirik`	`when doing the command`
`00:24.33`	`Paratus`	`what about doing /gt?`
`00:24.42`	`Paratus`	`that should execute the problematic code`
`00:25.06`	`Shirik`	`but... this may interest you`
`00:26.27`	`wereHamster`	`I get the error at line 63, which is GuideTool_QuestData[RealmTitle][CharName]["Quests"][i2]["Name"] = questTitle;`
`00:26.42`	`Shirik`	`I get the same`
`00:26.57`	`wereHamster`	`.. which makes perfectly sense.. GuideTool_QuestData[RealmTitle][CharName]["Quests"][i2] is never created`
`00:27.00`	`Shirik`	`which is because you're missing a GuideTool_QuestData[RealmTitle][CharName]["Quests"][i2] = {}`
`00:27.09`	`Paratus`	`yeah I just saw that too`
`00:27.28`	`Shirik`	`curse you wereHamster`
`00:27.40`	`Shirik`	`3 seconds away!`
`00:28.14`	`Paratus`	`Still errors tho`
`00:28.19`	`Paratus`	`much fewer errors, but still a few`
`00:28.21`	`wereHamster`	`Shirik, I don't have to press ctrl+c/ctrl+v, I just use my middle mouse to copy things :P`
`00:28.28`	`Shirik`	`=(`
`00:28.57`	`Shirik`	`meh`
`00:28.58`	`Paratus`	`want me to reupload the current version of the code?`
`00:29.17`	`Shirik`	but do you have a G18 = `reloadui ?
`00:29.30`	`Shirik`	`works perfectly fine for me when I do a /gt`
`00:29.31`	`Shirik`	`now`
`00:29.40`	`Paratus`	`wtf? errors here`
`00:30.00`	`Paratus`	`doing /console reloadui() will reload the UI and update my addons in-game, right?`
`00:30.10`	`AnduinLothar`	`no ()`
`00:30.21`	`Paratus`	`well () or not seems to work :P`
`00:30.52`	`Paratus`	`Shirik, send me your lua file?`
`00:30.57`	`Paratus`	`or put it on pastey?`
`00:31.15`	`Shirik`	`I only added one line`
`00:31.39`	`Paratus`	`I added that line and get errors :/`
`00:31.48`	`Paratus`	`GuideTool_QuestData[RealmTitle][CharName]["Quests"][i2] = {}; on line 63`
`00:32.05`	`Shirik`	`http://wowi.pastey.net/7511 the highlighted line`
`00:32.28`	`Paratus`	`identical to my own :(`
`00:32.34`	`wereHamster`	`what errors?`
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`00:33.18`	`Shirik`	`as you can see from the dump in the chat window: http://img46.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenbc6.jpg`
`00:34.00`	`Paratus`	`Hmm wtf.`
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`00:34.04`	`Paratus`	`I get LOADS of errors.`
`00:34.10`	`Paratus`	`Using your exact code pastey`
`00:34.15`	`Paratus`	`I'm gonna disable other addons, sec.`
`00:34.53`	`Paratus`	`error on 44`
`00:34.57`	`Paratus`	`this is ... odd.`
`00:35.19`	`Paratus`	`44 is GuideTool_CharData[RealmTitle][CharName] = {};`
`00:35.32`	`Shirik`	`disabled all addons except the one?`
`00:35.47`	`Paratus`	`yep`
`00:35.56`	`Paratus`	`using the copy/paste of your pastey`
`00:36.07`	`Paratus`	`local RealmTitle = GetCVar("realmName"); <-- I thought hamster said to make that not local?`
`00:36.33`	`Shirik`	`I think he was trying to do something like`
`00:36.38`	`Shirik`	`do a /dump RealmTitle`
`00:36.44`	`Shirik`	`which will be undefined because it's local to the file`
`00:36.45`	`wereHamster`	`I didn't say you should make that gloal, I only explained why your code doesn't work`
`00:37.09`	`Paratus`	`wtf though.. works for you guys?`
`00:37.24`	`Shirik`	`no problems`
`00:37.27`	`Shirik`	`well....`
`00:37.32`	`Shirik`	`"works" is a subjective statement`
`00:37.41`	`Shirik`	`looking at the dump it didn't "work" but I didn't get any Lua errors`
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`00:38.25`	`Shirik`	`I'm not entirely sure what it's supposed to do thought :P`
`00:38.49`	`wereHamster`	`Paratus, if you don't want to type the error mesages, make a screenshot. knowing the exact error message helps`
`00:38.55`	`Paratus`	`It should do nothing more than store that in an array/table`
`00:39.25`	`Tem\|Work`	`who was it that linked that "Gentoo is for ricers" page a while back?`
`00:39.28`	`Paratus`	`Sure ham, it's jsut that I disabled my addons (other than this) so I wasn't getting a detailed error`
`00:39.31`	`Tem\|Work`	`I can't find the page again`
`00:40.09`	`wereHamster`	`Paratus, the default WoW error box is fine, too ;)`
`00:40.55`	`Paratus`	`All it said with the default was line 44`
`00:41.05`	`Paratus`	`I just used a debug adodn called Swatter`
`00:41.17`	`Paratus`	`gave me 41 errors`
`00:41.20`	`Paratus`	`lol`
`00:41.34`	`Paratus`	`Message: ..\AddOns\GuideTool\GuideTool.lua line 44: attempt to index field '?' (a nil value)`
`00:41.58`	`Paratus`	`most of which report that line`
`00:42.19`	`Shirik`	`you got 41 errors on that line?`
`00:42.26`	`Shirik`	`that doesn't even make any sense`
`00:42.41`	`Paratus`	`I know.. I don't like the debug addon, but only one I got right now`
`00:42.42`	`Shirik`	`I've never used this "swatter" but does it clear the error list once you reload your ui?`
`00:42.53`	`Paratus`	`yeah`
`00:43.04`	`Shirik`	`because that shouldn't happen except (1) on logout, or (2) on /gt`
`00:43.07`	`Paratus`	`seems 44 is an issue none the less`
`00:43.16`	`Paratus`	`it happened on /gt`
`00:43.18`	`Paratus`	`the 44 issue`
`00:43.31`	`Shirik`	`41 times?`
`00:43.31`	`Shirik`	`for 1 /gt ?`
`00:43.41`	`Paratus`	`yep!`
`00:43.49`	`Shirik`	`that equally doesn't make sense ><`
`00:44.03`	`Shirik`	`did you have any assertion failures?`
`00:44.43`	`Paratus`	`lol now when I do /gt it does nothing`
`00:44.57`	`Shirik`	`does it store the info?`
`00:45.22`	`Paratus`	`I mean, when I do /gt and hit enter, it doesn't even go.. like the /gt is still in the prompt :P`
`00:45.34`	`Shirik`	`that would imply there's an error`
`00:45.50`	`Shirik`	`ok do this`
`00:45.55`	`Shirik`	`go into your SavedVariables folder`
`00:46.05`	`Shirik`	`delete the Lua file for this addon`
`00:46.20`	`Paratus`	`uhh`
`00:46.24`	`Paratus`	`some of these errors...`
`00:46.30`	`Paratus`	`are for blizzard UI things`
`00:46.41`	`Paratus`	`Message: ..\FrameXML\UnitPopup.lua line 707: Usage: UnitIsSameServer("unit", "otherUnit")`
`00:46.57`	`wereHamster`	`Shirik, I thought WoW wouldn't save 'nil' saved variables.. ?`
`00:47.07`	`Shirik`	`it won't but`
`00:47.12`	`Shirik`	`if it's something really odd like half a table`
`00:47.16`	`Shirik`	`it might be screwing up his code somewhere`
`00:47.37`	`wereHamster`	`I see what the problem could be..`
`00:47.38`	`Paratus`	`Hmm`
`00:47.43`	`Paratus`	`some of the errors are due to the wowhead addon`
`00:47.47`	`Paratus`	`although it's not active`
`00:48.32`	`wereHamster`	`Paratus, you should make suer the tables exist.. maybe GuideTool_CharData is now an empty table..`
`00:48.45`	`wereHamster`	`GuideTool_CharData = GuideTool_CharData or {};`
`00:48.54`	`wereHamster`	`GuideTool_CharData[RealmTitle] = GuideTool_CharData[RealmTitle] or {};`
`00:48.57`	`wereHamster`	`etc...`
`00:49.43`	`Xenok`	`Anyone here point a moron to a way of making Collapsable lists?`
`00:49.51`	`Xenok`	`I have been trying all day`
`00:50.11`	`wereHamster`	`assert(RealmTitle) - even if RealmTitle exists.. that doesn't mean that GuideTool_CharData[RealmTitle] exists, too`
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`00:50.56`	`Paratus`	`why would it work on your end though, and not mine?`
`00:51.24`	`wereHamster`	`because when you created GuideTool_CharData, you didn't properly initialize it`
`00:51.38`	`wereHamster`	`it failed.. and then WoW saved it as an empty table`
`00:52.07`	`wereHamster`	`which then was loaded and overwrote your 'correct' table`
`00:52.14`	`Paratus`	`Ohh I see`
`00:52.35`	`Paratus`	`So deleting the savedvariables file, and reloading ui, should fix it?`
`00:52.57`	`Shirik`	`assuming your addon never becomes corrupted again, yes`
`00:52.59`	`wereHamster`	`thens a SAVED_VARIABLES event, you should validate your SV then`
`00:53.08`	`bleetah`	`Shirik: hot tip for WoWUIUpdater :- SV backups, either a straight zip each time, or some kinda DB of diffs etc. so stuff can be rolled back/reconstructed.. for cases where WoW crashes out during exit and nukes SVs`
`00:53.14`	`Shirik`	`but wereHamster's idea also is a good solution, perhaps better because it resolved corruption`
`00:53.20`	`Shirik`	`s/resolved/resolves/`
`00:53.26`	`wereHamster`	`Paratus, you'll have to exit WoW before deleting SV`
`00:53.37`	`Shirik`	`bleetah: Great idea`
`00:53.41`	`bleetah`	`Shirik: clearly the first is easier, but consumes more disk etc, the second tricker but would be nicer`
`00:53.55`	`bleetah`	`my shell script updater does the first, been too lazy to implement the second ;)`
`00:53.56`	`Shirik`	`so you can like roll back`
`00:54.15`	`Shirik`	`diffs would be cool and all but also annoying`
`00:54.20`	`bleetah`	`the other thing my shellscript does is (minimally at the moment) look for UIs with no SV, and vice-versa, and point them out to the user.`
`00:54.29`	`Shirik`	`in *nix it's easy, but I don't know of a built-in diff utility for windows`
`00:54.50`	`Shirik`	`so I'd have to code it in myself`
`00:54.53`	`wereHamster`	`cygwin :P`
`00:55.06`	`Shirik`	`I'm not going to tell everyone to install cygwin to use the updater`
`00:55.09`	`bleetah`	`there's prolly some gpl class floating out in the ether for ya ;)`
`00:55.27`	`Shirik`	`hell`
`00:55.32`	`Shirik`	`people will try to install cygwin`
`00:55.35`	`Shirik`	`"what's a mirror"`
`00:55.37`	`wereHamster`	`you can just take diff/patch and ship it with your package`
`00:55.51`	`Shirik`	`hmm`
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`00:56.32`	`bleetah`	`anyways, you gets the ideas... g'luck with 'em :-D`
`00:56.40`	`Shirik`	`good idea thanks :)`
`01:00.28`	`JoshBorke`	`erm, any C coders available atm?`
`01:01.07`	`Shirik`	`yo`
`01:01.10`	`Shirik`	`what ya need`
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`01:01.58`	`Xenok`	`so whats a colapsable list really called? XD`
`01:02.13`	`TC_Working`	`"On a similar note i must confess to you, i am giving serious thought.......to eating your wife."`
`01:02.22`	`Shirik`	`??`
`01:02.25`	`Xenok`	`uhh`
`01:02.28`	`Shirik`	`JoshBorke: question?`
`01:02.30`	`Xenok`	`TC. you oke?`
`01:02.38`	`TC_Working`	`hmm...yes`
`01:02.42`	`Xenok`	`umm ok`
`01:03.07`	`Xenok`	`anyway.. Whats a Collapsable list really called??`
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`01:04.13`	`Xenok`	`cuz I might be able to find a tutorial for Lua that does it.. I just need the techincal name`
`01:05.05`	`JoshBorke`	`oh, yea, sorry, went back in game`
`01:05.23`	`JoshBorke`	`i can set a member in a union with ., can i access the same member? or should i just access the union?`
`01:06.05`	`Shirik`	`I don't play much with unions lately but iirc both are acceptable. I would recommend accessing the same member`
`01:06.23`	`JoshBorke`	`so, x = <union>.<member> should work?`
`01:06.26`	`Shirik`	`yes`
`01:07.12`	`JoshBorke`	`type mismatch ftl :-/`
`01:07.19`	`JoshBorke`	`didn't realize i could have a unsigned type`
`01:07.24`	`Shirik`	`that's why I like using the member`
`01:07.32`	`Shirik`	`because it becomes more type-strict`
`01:07.35`	`JoshBorke`	`yea, the members are the unsigned type`
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`01:21.41`	`Devlish`	`anyone know why auctioneer doesnt load? its in the addons and are enabled`
`01:24.34`	`Devlish`	`i cant get it to work :(`
`01:26.56`	`Cide`	`it's LoD afaik - are you opening the auction house?`
`01:31.12`	`Devlish`	`ya`
`01:31.46`	`Devlish`	`but when I type /auctioneer scan nothing happens, i get "type /help for more options" garbage`
`01:32.03`	`Paratus`	`Trying to get the level of the player, but UnitLevel("player") is returning 0.. any idea why?`
`01:34.10`	`Shirik`	`when are you doing UnitLevel()`
`01:35.04`	`Paratus`	`it's in that same gt script, on the /gt`
`01:35.10`	`Paratus`	`GuideTool_CharData[RealmTitle][CharName]["Level"] = UnitLevel("player");`
`01:36.18`	`Paratus`	`now that I look at it, it's returning 0 for all of the integer/numeric types`
`01:36.25`	`Paratus`	`(level, experience, etc)`
`01:36.30`	`Paratus`	`but it's working on strings`
`01:36.33`	`Paratus`	`(name, faction ,etc)`
`01:36.36`	`Shirik`	`there is /no/ case where it should return zero`
`01:36.51`	`Shirik`	`it will be -1 if unknown, or otherwise a valid level`
`01:37.09`	`Paratus`	`contents of savedvariables file says: ["Level"] = 0,`
`01:37.15`	`Shirik`	`are you sure you're not casting it somewhere?`
`01:37.42`	`Paratus`	`excuse spam here, but look at the values its getting:`
`01:37.43`	`Paratus`	`["Race"] = "Draenei",`
`01:37.43`	`Paratus`	`["Experience"] = 0,`
`01:37.43`	`Paratus`	`["Faction"] = "Alliance",`
`01:37.43`	`Paratus`	`["Class"] = "Mage",`
`01:37.43`	`Paratus`	`["ExperienceMax"] = 0,`
`01:37.45`	`Paratus`	`["Level"] = 0,`
`01:37.54`	`Paratus`	`so all numeric ones are storing as 0`
`01:38.15`	`Paratus`	`yeah yeah.. that's hardly something to make a pastey over :)`
`01:38.41`	`zenzelezz`	`it is`
`01:38.51`	`Devlish`	`why don't any of the auctioneer commands work, when all I have for addons is auctioneer?`
`01:39.17`	`Devlish`	`~auctstuff`
`01:39.18`	`purl`	`I know about the following topics (type one for more info): ~aucdeletesv, ~auctioneerbeta, ~auctioneersvn, ~aucttrac, ~auctdoc, ~auctinstall, ~norgbug <nickname>`
`01:39.18`	`Paratus`	`sorry if those 6 lines of small strings crashed your irc client`
`01:39.50`	`zenzelezz`	`Paratus: it's a matter of common courtesy; why do you think it's in the topic?`
`01:45.25`	`Devlish`	`~auctstuff Devlish`
`01:45.29`	`Paratus`	`Ugh, the entire script is already on a pastey, this is just what the script saves, hence my "excuse the spam"..`
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`01:55.57`	`TC_Working`	`weeeeee!`
`01:55.57`	`Shirik`	`ha`
`01:55.58`	`Shirik`	`I like how bleetah alone got split when everyone else joins`
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`01:55.59`	`TC_Working`	`he is special`
`01:55.59`	`Shirik`	`Paratus I recommend you repaste your code so I can see what you're working with now`
`01:55.59`	`Devlish`	`this does not work :(`
`01:55.59`	`Xuerian`	`rofl.`
`01:56.00`	`Paratus`	`Ok, 1 sec.`
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`01:56.01`	`Sstixrud`	`anyone use UIFrameFlashRemoveFrame before? I issue that function then follow it up with a :SetAlpha() but the SetAlpha doesn't take`
`01:56.01`	`Paratus`	`http://wowi.pastey.net/7517`
`01:56.02`	`Paratus`	`http://wowi.pastey.net/7518 <-- the variables it creates, notice the 0's`
`01:57.32`	`Sstixrud`	`anyone use UIFrameFlashRemoveFrame(frame) before?`
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`02:00.28`	`Shirik`	`dunno what to say to you Paratus`
`02:00.28`	`Shirik`	`it looks right ot me`
`02:00.56`	`Paratus`	`Yeah, also notice the quests only saves the first quest in the log? The loop doesn't work`
`02:00.57`	`Paratus`	`yet it SHOULD`
`02:00.57`	`Paratus`	`I hate this script :P`
`02:02.03`	`Xenok`	`Im thinking .. "I will drop colapsable lists and do Drop down menus".... darn wowwikis tutorial doesn't work ><`
`02:02.03`	`Shirik`	`sorry xenok :(`
`02:02.40`	`Paratus`	`Oh crap`
`02:02.40`	`Paratus`	`Would the return; in the loop, likc in other languages (new to lua again), exit out of that loop?`
`02:03.10`	`Paratus`	`and thus cause it to go only once`
`02:03.10`	`Shirik`	`return will exit the function immediately`
`02:03.36`	`Paratus`	`Thought so.. no idea why it was there.`
`02:03.48`	`Paratus`	`Still can't figure out the 0's for level and such, but meh. I'll work on it.`
`02:03.58`	`Paratus`	`You've been a huge help Shirik`
`02:04.08`	`Shirik`	`:) I try`
`02:04.22`	`Shirik`	`might as well help out people while I work on this app for wowi :P`
`02:05.18`	`Xenok`	`GAH!!`
`02:05.23`	`Shirik`	`!!!!`
`02:05.23`	`Xenok`	`I hate coding :P`
`02:05.29`	`Shirik`	`No you don't`
`02:05.37`	`Xenok`	`I don't know how half the stuff in tutorials work XD`
`02:10.55`	`Xenok`	`I asked my dad if there was any mods he would like .he said "A Window that has a list of catagorized zones that in each zone section has a list of bookmarked coords of where you where at (coords YOU choose of course) and can add a simple short note to that bookmark so you know whats there"`
`02:12.25`	`Xenok`	`I thought it would be a moderatly diffucult task... not`
`02:12.43`	`Xenok`	`not really*`
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`02:16.27`	`XKpe`	`can you link me any tuturial, to create a gui with xml/lua ?`
`02:17.01`	`XKpe`	`anyone*`
`02:17.42`	`Xuerian`	`xkpe: wowwiki.com/World_of_Warcraft_API wowwiki.com/Widget_API -- If you prefer to do it all in lua, CreateFrame('frametype', 'framename', parent) is the root of all ui`
`02:18.11`	`Xuerian`	`Granted, if you aren't somewhat used to coding in some capacity, you will need actual tutorials... :P`
`02:18.42`	`XKpe`	`i am`
`02:18.54`	`XKpe`	`tkx for the link`
`02:19.21`	`Xuerian`	`Then find yourself a mod with a simple looking interface, open it up in your favorite editor, then compare it to the references. If you like XML you will want to do things that way, if you're happier in code, doing it all in lua is more understandable`
`02:21.03`	`Xuerian`	`If you do want to do things in XML, the blizzard interface can also help by providing examples of most things (though the code isn't the best), make sure you get the framexml`
`02:21.05`	`Xuerian`	`~framexml`
`02:21.07`	`purl`	`get the official Blizzard Interface AddOn Kit here: http://www.blizzard.com/support/wow/?id=aww01671p`
`02:21.16`	`wobin`	`>< I know I'll be stabbed by Shirik for mentioning this, but this is one reason where Acelibraries help. I haven't had to roll my own gui for a while now, thank god.`
`02:21.24`	`Shirik`	`stabs wobin`
`02:21.27`	`Xenok`	`lol`
`02:21.30`	`XKpe`	`i think i prefer to do it in code`
`02:21.36`	`Shirik`	`hehe`
`02:21.49`	`wobin`	`XKpe: hehe, I agree.`
`02:21.53`	`Shirik`	`sorry wobin, but if I'm focused in another window, and an IRC message comes in with my name in it`
`02:21.56`	`wobin`	`XML makes me want to stab something`
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`02:22.01`	`Shirik`	`it pops up in the bottom right hand corner`
`02:22.18`	`Xenok`	`how do you do that shirik?`
`02:22.24`	`Shirik`	`I heard all the clicks but wasn't checking irc cause I was busy, but when I saw that I just /had/ to respond`
`02:22.25`	`Shirik`	`hehe`
`02:22.27`	`wobin`	`Shirik: hehe, what client are you running?`
`02:22.32`	`Xuerian`	`XKpe: It ain't the most well-coded mod, but XLoot (the core, not the addons) on WoWI is done all in lua.`
`02:22.33`	`Shirik`	`nbs-irc`
`02:22.38`	`Shirik`	`it's a mod on mirc`
`02:22.44`	`Xenok`	`shweet`
`02:22.46`	`Shirik`	`here say my name again I'll take a screenshot`
`02:22.51`	`Xenok`	`shirit`
`02:22.53`	`wobin`	`Shirik!`
`02:22.53`	`Xenok`	`umm`
`02:23.05`	`Xenok`	`I hate typos`
`02:23.11`	`wobin`	`I hate how your nickname is superceded byt Shikatanai in the tab completion`
`02:23.44`	`Shirik`	`sorry ><`
`02:23.58`	`wobin`	`hehe, I just need to hit tab twice, but I always forget`
`02:24.19`	`Shirik`	`http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/5474/screenlq7.jpg`
`02:24.30`	`Sstixrud`	`argh! this UIFrameFlashRemoveFrame function is driving me nuts`
`02:24.44`	`wobin`	`That's kinda cool =)`
`02:24.49`	`Shirik`	`I like it :)`
`02:25.04`	`Xenok`	`thats cool`
`02:25.05`	`wobin`	`hows the updater going, btw?`
`02:25.08`	`Shirik`	`http://www.nbs-irc.net/`
`02:25.11`	`Xenok`	`yay`
`02:25.11`	`Shirik`	`oh it's going very well :)`
`02:25.17`	`wobin`	`^^`
`02:25.50`	`Xenok`	`Ill DL later`
`02:25.50`	`Xuerian`	`Shirik: mIRC, Google Talk, AND trillian?`
`02:25.55`	`Shirik`	`haha`
`02:25.55`	`Shirik`	`um`
`02:25.59`	`Shirik`	`yeah ^^;`
`02:26.01`	`Xuerian`	`Why not just run miranda...?`
`02:26.01`	`Xuerian`	`>.>`
`02:26.05`	`wobin`	`rofl`
`02:26.15`	`Xuerian`	`Has popups too <.<`
`02:26.22`	`Shirik`	`I like my setup :(`
`02:26.39`	`wobin`	`I need a client that records nickpings to another window`
`02:26.51`	`Xuerian`	`Yeah, I find myself needing that too`
`02:26.54`	`Shirik`	`nbs-irc will do that too`
`02:27.13`	`Cairenn`	`so does gaim`
`02:27.16`	`Xuerian`	`^LI never find myself needing that.`
`02:27.28`	`wobin`	`Cairenn: really? I never noticed that option`
`02:27.35`	`Cairenn`	`if you use guifications, yup`
`02:27.46`	`Shirik`	`http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/5743/screenlb9.jpg`
`02:27.55`	`wobin`	`It's a pity gaim is horrific as a irc client =\`
`02:27.55`	`Shirik`	`see the screen behind #wowi-lounge`
`02:29.08`	`Cairenn`	`it's what I'm using`
`02:29.35`	`Xuerian`	`Eh, i couldn't do without my tabbed windows, minimal interface, and variable transparency =\|`
`02:29.38`	`Cairenn`	`I need something to handle all of them, since I've got so many`
`02:31.03`	`wobin`	`hm, I wanted to try out Beryl`
`02:32.10`	`Cide`	`http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5484653236087796036 - this is pretty awesome`
`02:35.36`	`wobin`	`hehe`
`02:35.43`	`wobin`	`how'd he keep the buffs up for so long?`
`02:37.19`	`wobin`	`Invisibility?`
`02:37.26`	`wobin`	`Mages get that back?`
`02:37.31`	`Shirik`	`yeah`
`02:37.41`	`Xenok`	`back?`
`02:37.46`	`Xuerian`	`With the caveat you can't see anything that's not invisible while you are`
`02:38.04`	`Xuerian`	`More of a dimension-shift <.<`
`02:38.11`	`Xenok`	`like ghosts`
`02:38.26`	`Shirik`	`wow`
`02:38.28`	`Shirik`	`that's awesome`
`02:39.01`	`wobin`	`can you pass through the opponents?`
`02:39.02`	`Shirik`	`the numbers...`
`02:39.18`	`Xenok`	`omg!!`
`02:39.26`	`Xenok`	`that vid is crazy`
`02:39.28`	`wobin`	`I mean, I'm sure npcs will aggro, but will say the opposite faction?`
`02:39.43`	`Shirik`	`they can't see you and you can't see them`
`02:40.00`	`wobin`	`that's a bit overpowered`
`02:40.04`	`Shirik`	`why?`
`02:40.06`	`wobin`	`You can just walk through any area`
`02:40.07`	`Shirik`	`if you can't see anyone`
`02:40.32`	`wobin`	`if the aim isn't to kill them, you can just bypass all the content`
`02:40.50`	`Xenok`	`thats an insane ability. better get me 49 mage up`
`02:41.08`	`wobin`	`Yeah, there has to be some drawback =P`
`02:41.15`	`Xenok`	`like what? XD`
`02:41.42`	`wobin`	`if you intersect with another model, you should lose the invisiblity`
`02:41.45`	`Xuerian`	`You invis in the middle of three groups of mobs?`
`02:41.52`	`Xuerian`	`s/invis/un-invis/`
`02:42.08`	`Shirik`	`wobin: It's like you shift to another dimension almost`
`02:42.20`	`wobin`	`I wonder what happens if you're mindvisioned while invisible`
`02:42.31`	`wobin`	`can the priest give directions? =)`
`02:42.35`	`wobin`	`like over TS`
`02:42.39`	`Shirik`	`how is that possible`
`02:42.58`	`wobin`	`Mindvision can be cast on friendlies...`
`02:43.00`	`Xuerian`	`Mindvision -> Invi`
`02:43.04`	`Shirik`	`oh mind vision`
`02:43.07`	`Shirik`	`sorry was thinking MC`
`02:43.10`	`wobin`	`hehe nah =)`
`02:43.31`	`wobin`	`"easy left"`
`02:43.40`	`wobin`	`"easy right!"`
`02:44.43`	`Shirik`	`dude`
`02:44.47`	`Shirik`	`that fire shield crits for 2k`
`02:45.57`	`Xenok`	`crazy`
`02:56.17`	`Cide`	`the drawback is that it lasts for 20 seconds and has a 5 minute cooldown`
`02:56.39`	`Cide`	`and it takes 5 seconds from when you cast it to fade out`
`02:56.49`	`wobin`	`the fire shield?`
`02:56.54`	`wobin`	`or invis`
`02:56.56`	`wobin`	`oh invis =)`
`02:57.54`	`wobin`	`ah, but with say, boots of blinding speed (the wow equivalent), runspeed enchant etc etc, you can travel quite far in twenty seconds`
`02:58.19`	`Cide`	`sure, it's a powerful ability`
`02:58.19`	`Cide`	`overpowered? no`
`02:58.23`	`Cide`	`you can't see anything`
`02:58.28`	`wobin`	`I loved the boots of blinding speed in Morrowwind (was it morrowind?)`
`02:58.38`	`Cide`	`rogues can travel an unlimited distance while "invisible"`
`02:58.41`	`wobin`	`well, it's perfect for content evasion`
`02:58.49`	`Cide`	`so?`
`02:58.58`	`Cide`	`rogues can do that from level one`
`02:59.00`	`wobin`	`can say, high level instance bosses see through the invis?`
`02:59.05`	`Cide`	`no clue`
`02:59.09`	`Cide`	`why does it matter?`
`02:59.29`	`wobin`	`cause that's where the difference lies... rogues have a chance of being detected, they can't just take a straight line through`
`02:59.56`	`wobin`	`I'm not saying nerf invisibility, I'm just trying to figure out why they've limited it in certain ways`
`02:59.58`	`Cide`	`what are you going to do when you get past that mob?`
`03:00.03`	`wobin`	`keep going =)`
`03:00.18`	`Cide`	`a rather useless use`
`03:00.24`	`wobin`	`content avoidance, see?`
`03:00.39`	`Cide`	`see: rogue, hunter`
`03:00.43`	`Cide`	`it's not a big deal`
`03:00.47`	`wobin`	`probably`
`03:01.17`	`wobin`	`rogues have a better chance of staying undetected, hunters have a good chance at finding a corner that's out of the way to fd in...`
`03:01.25`	`wobin`	`similarly with shammies and locks`
`03:02.00`	`wobin`	`but with more durability loss =P`
`03:05.40`	`Shirik`	`so... on vista`
`03:05.45`	`Shirik`	`the interface directory is "C:\Users\<name>\AppData\Local\VirtualStore\Program Files\World of Warcraft\Interface\Addons"`
`03:05.48`	`Shirik`	`that's ... painful`
`03:06.08`	`Xuerian`	`...`
`03:06.21`	`Xuerian`	`... Buh`
`03:06.28`	`Xuerian`	`Why?`
`03:06.33`	`Shirik`	`I don't know ><`
`03:10.03`	`Cide`	`eh?`
`03:10.15`	`Cide`	`C:\Program Files\World of Warcraft\Interface\Addons`
`03:10.32`	`Shirik`	`hey I'm just following what was posted on the wow forums`
`03:10.47`	`Shirik`	`I don't have vista`
`03:10.49`	`Cide`	`or for me, D:\Spel\World of Warcraft\Interface\Addons ("Spel" is "Games" in swedish!)`
`03:12.43`	`Shirik`	`wb cladhaire :)`
`03:12.47`	`Sstixrud`	`anyone know if there is a way to change target to nil in an addon or are all options now protected?`
`03:12.58`	`cladhaire`	`spanks =)`
`03:13.09`	`Shirik`	`without a secure button it won't be possible`
`03:13.34`	`Sstixrud`	`hmm how would you do it with a securebutton?`
`03:13.57`	`Shirik`	`have it run the macro /cleartarget`
`03:13.59`	`Sstixrud`	`I want to Hide a frame when combat ends`
`03:14.04`	`Shirik`	`there may be a better way to do it`
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`03:14.37`	`Shirik`	`wait hang on`
`03:14.39`	`Shirik`	`what are you trying to do?`
`03:14.47`	`Shirik`	`"change target to nil" what does that mean?`
`03:14.50`	`Shirik`	`I took it to mean clear your target`
`03:15.13`	`Sstixrud`	`in my mod I want to :Hide a frame after combat has ended`
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`03:15.21`	`Shirik`	`ok`
`03:15.29`	`Shirik`	`watch the PLAYER_REGEN_DISABLED event`
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`03:15.37`	`Shirik`	`when it is raised, you should be able to do your :Hide() call`
`03:16.23`	`Shirik`	`sirry`
`03:16.28`	`Shirik`	`PLAYER_REGEN_ENABLED`
`03:16.30`	`Shirik`	`miswrote that`
`03:16.43`	`Sstixrud`	`aww good call I was confusing myself.. the frame is shown/hidden when a target is selected/changed/removed but that doesn't mean I can't just :Hide it after combat is ended`
`03:17.09`	`Shirik`	`is this a secure frame?`
`03:18.09`	`Sstixrud`	`what about "PLAYER_LEAVE_COMBAT"`
`03:18.14`	`Sstixrud`	`yes its a secureframe`
`03:18.25`	`Shirik`	`that may not always be raised`
`03:18.55`	`Shirik`	`PLAYER_REGEN_ENABLED/PLAYER_REGEN_DISABLED have long been the prefered method to detect combat state changes`
`03:19.07`	`Sstixrud`	`kk thanks`
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`03:25.25`	`Sstixrud`	`Is there a function to return my current target?`
`03:25.55`	`pastamancer`	`read the api documentation on wowwiki`
`03:26.05`	`Shirik`	`(1) what pastamancer (2) what do you mean "return my current target"`
`03:26.07`	`Sstixrud`	`I am looking :)`
`03:26.22`	`Sstixrud`	`i.e. ReturnTarget(player)`
`03:26.26`	`Shirik`	`s/pastamancer/what pastamancer said/`
`03:26.27`	`pastamancer`	`I figured 1 sould solve 2`
`03:26.28`	`Corrodias`	`the Pastamancer is a prestige class that invokes the divine power of the flying spaghetti monster`
`03:26.41`	`Shirik`	`what the hell`
`03:26.46`	`pastamancer`	`read the page on unitids`
`03:27.00`	`pastamancer`	`and may you be blessed by his noodly tendril`
`03:27.06`	`Shirik`	`ha`
`03:27.21`	`Thunder_Child`	`~sigh pastamancer`
`03:27.22`	`purl`	`ACTION sighs, rolls its eyes and shakes its head, "pastamancer!"`
`03:27.24`	`pastamancer`	`s/tendril/appendage/`
`03:27.31`	`Shirik`	`Sstixrud: what is ReturnTarget() supposed to return`
`03:27.45`	`Thunder_Child`	`pasta, thats just disturbing`
`03:27.50`	`Shirik`	`you're asking me to return a unit? A unit is a very complex piece of information`
`03:27.50`	`pastamancer`	`he wants plaeyer1target, player2target, etc.`
`03:27.51`	`Sstixrud`	`my current target`
`03:27.57`	`pastamancer`	`I think`
`03:28.01`	`Sstixrud`	`or nil if I have no target`
`03:28.04`	`Shirik`	`what is a "target" ? His position? His name? His health? All of the above?`
`03:28.11`	`Xuerian`	`A unit is a string. That's it >_>`
`03:28.18`	`Shirik`	`my definition of a "unit" is something that contains everything you could possibly want all together`
`03:28.32`	`pastamancer`	`this ain't java, go read the api`
`03:28.38`	`Sstixrud`	`I just want to know if I have a current target`
`03:28.49`	`Xuerian`	`UnitExists('target')`
`03:28.54`	`Sstixrud`	`thank you`
`03:28.54`	`pastamancer`	`well, then you want to know if the unit exists`
`03:28.59`	`Shirik`	`http://wowwiki.com/World_of_Warcraft_API#Unit_Functions`
`03:28.59`	`Xuerian`	`'target' literally`
`03:29.04`	`Sstixrud`	`understood`
`03:29.04`	`Xuerian`	`Not 'yourtarget'sname'`
`03:29.12`	`Shirik`	`there are tons of things you can get about a unit`
`03:29.23`	`Shirik`	`that's why I was probing your mind, because you weren't really saying what you want`
`03:30.03`	`Xuerian`	`Shirik: To the game's C code, a unit might be something complex, but to us UI devs, a unit is a string that we pass to functions to get information about whomever the unit represents, don't go confusing the poor nub`
`03:30.18`	`Shirik`	`yes yes`
`03:30.30`	`Shirik`	`but my point is, I count 60 different functions telling you information about a unit`
`03:30.40`	`Shirik`	`you can't get it all at once; instead, you need to ask for specifically what you want`
`03:30.48`	`Shirik`	`and to ui devs, a unitid is a string :P`
`03:30.56`	`Shirik`	`a unit is, quite that, a uint`
`03:30.58`	`Shirik`	`unit*`
`03:31.09`	`pastamancer`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/UnitId`
`03:31.21`	`pastamancer`	`read and be enlightened`
`03:31.52`	`Thunder_Child`	`just like a playboy mag "read and be enlightened"`
`03:32.03`	`Corrodias`	`don't make me summon spaghettilings on your ass`
`03:32.09`	`Xuerian`	`That's "Read and be enlargened"`
`03:32.13`	`Shirik`	`haha`
`03:32.41`	`Thunder_Child`	`corr, i dont think i would enjoy that on my ass`
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`03:33.04`	`Shirik`	`In any case, Sstixrud, I recommend you read the two links given... the one by pastamancer and myself, which show you (1) how UIs reference units, and (2) what functions we have at our disposal to get information about said units`
`03:33.18`	`Xuerian`	`Even you say units.`
`03:33.20`	`Xuerian`	`>_>`
`03:33.25`	`Xuerian`	`reference says units too.`
`03:33.33`	`Shirik`	`Yes, the unitids reference units`
`03:33.40`	`Sstixrud`	`I have in the past. Xuerian answered my question, I updated my code and now it works.`
`03:33.54`	`Shirik`	`as do I :)`
`03:34.43`	`Sstixrud`	`I just passed over UnitExists, even tho I went down the list 3 times.. dunno why`
`03:35.07`	`Xuerian`	`UnitExits('player')`
`03:35.16`	`Shirik`	`exists*`
`03:35.22`	`Xuerian`	`...`
`03:35.28`	`Shirik`	`^^`
`03:35.34`	`Xuerian`	`UnitHasLeftTheBuilding,Dumbass('player')`
`03:36.03`	`Xuerian`	`I suppose a simple "Woosh" would've sufficed instead of that snipe <.<`
`03:36.30`	`Shirik`	`oh`
`03:36.32`	`Shirik`	`I get it now ><`
`03:36.37`	`Shirik`	`meh`
`03:36.39`	`pastamancer`	`Xuerian: leave Elvis out of this`
`03:36.40`	`Shirik`	`been at this too long today`
`03:37.00`	`Xuerian`	`It would've been more obvious if I had /quit UnitExits('player') :p`
`03:37.16`	`Shirik`	`well the problem came when you put that up immediately after Sstixrud said UnitExists`
`03:37.27`	`Xuerian`	`Both the cause and the problem.`
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`03:51.17`	`XKpe`	`a frame is only visible if it has anything inside?`
`03:52.03`	`Xuerian`	`A frame is only visible if there's anything inside it (Child frames), on it (Fontstrings, textures), or you've set it's backdrop`
`03:52.09`	`Xuerian`	`That and if you've Show()n it`
`03:52.38`	`XKpe`	`ok, i didnt add anything`
`04:00.41`	`Shirik`	`man...`
`04:00.50`	`Shirik`	`Einsteins' got rid of my favorite sandwich T_T`
`04:01.39`	`Xuerian`	`What, the S = M+LT^?`
`04:01.58`	`Xuerian`	`s/M+/B+/`
`04:02.04`	`Shirik`	`><`
`04:02.05`	`Shirik`	`no`
`04:02.10`	`Shirik`	`they got rid of hot ham & cheese`
`04:02.19`	`Shirik`	`because it is somehow "unsanitary" to microwave cheese`
`04:02.43`	`Xuerian`	`...`
`04:02.55`	`Xuerian`	`Well, that knocks out about 3/4 of my diet`
`04:03.53`	`Shirik`	`I think what they're worried about is it contaminating other items put in there later`
`04:04.02`	`Shirik`	`i.e., harming lactose intolerant customers`
`04:05.28`	`pastamancer`	`they could do the "kosher" thing and have separate equipment`
`04:05.46`	`pastamancer`	`but I really question their reasoning`
`04:07.16`	`XKpe`	`testStringFont:SetText(): Font not set`
`04:07.52`	`XKpe`	`i have to set a font? with what function?`
`04:14.11`	`Sstixrud`	`yellow named mobs are considered enemies? friendly? nither?`
`04:17.39`	`Xuerian`	`Neutral`
`04:20.25`	`Shirik`	`XKpe:`
`04:20.33`	`Shirik`	`I've typically found it's easier to use`
`04:20.54`	`Shirik`	`SetFontObject()`
`04:21.15`	`Shirik`	`http://wowwiki.com/API_FontInstance_SetFontObject`
`04:23.44`	`XKpe`	`i was trying to use setFont on the fontstring object`
`04:24.04`	`XKpe`	`where can i see the fonts.xml ?`
`04:24.22`	`Shirik`	`extract locale-enUS.mpq`
`04:24.49`	`Xuerian`	`~framexml`
`04:24.56`	`purl`	`get the official Blizzard Interface AddOn Kit here: http://www.blizzard.com/support/wow/?id=aww01671p`
`04:24.56`	`Xuerian`	`I`
`04:24.56`	`Xuerian`	`linked.`
`04:24.56`	`Xuerian`	`It.`
`04:24.56`	`Xuerian`	`Earlier.`
`04:24.56`	`Xuerian`	`>_>`
`04:25.20`	`Shirik`	`that's impressive`
`04:25.27`	`Shirik`	`that you were able to say 5 lines before purl responded`
`04:25.47`	`Xuerian`	`gots skillz, Shirik. :P`
`04:29.23`	`Shadowed`	`http://www-en.curse-gaming.com/files/details/6648/wrugs/ Overkill is fun?`
`04:29.42`	`Shirik`	`bad link?`
`04:29.52`	`Shirik`	`nm it worked second try :/`
`04:29.54`	`Shirik`	`stupid curs`
`04:30.01`	`Shadowed`	`Curse rolls a dice, 50/50 chance of it not working!`
`04:31.16`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge Sstixrud (n=Shane@c-24-16-81-112.hsd1.mn.comcast.net)`
`04:31.23`	`Xuerian`	`I really don't need to know that my browser was verified....`
`04:31.30`	`Shirik`	`?`
`04:31.44`	`Shadowed`	`I started getting that too Xuerian`
`04:31.59`	`Shadowed`	`it's just an addon that functions as a whisper whitelist instead of blacklist, requiring them to respond for it to go through`
`04:32.08`	`Sstixrud`	`how do mods like x-perl display the target UnitFrame AFTER combat has begun? I thought :Show() was blocked during combat`
`04:32.21`	`Shirik`	`they watch the PLAYER_REGEN_DISABLED event`
`04:32.38`	`Xuerian`	`Cide: Browser verification needs to redirect to the link that triggered it instead of _verified?, IE, curse home`
`04:32.41`	`Sstixrud`	`nope, it is displayed once combat has already begun`
`04:32.47`	`Shirik`	`as soon as PLAYER_REGEN_DISABLED is finished processing, InCombatLockdown() begins`
`04:32.59`	`Cide`	`Xuerian: what?`
`04:33.04`	`Xuerian`	`Oh`
`04:33.05`	`Xuerian`	`Right.`
`04:33.06`	`Shirik`	`do you mean when you don't have a target at first, and then you target something after combat has already begun?`
`04:33.12`	`Xuerian`	`Cide: Sorry. I link CTRA and Curse in my head.`
`04:33.14`	`XKpe`	`what happens if i call SetFontObject(nil) ?`
`04:33.18`	`Xuerian`	`Cide: My bad.`
`04:33.21`	`Cide`	`um. ok.`
`04:33.27`	`Shirik`	`why not try it and find out?`
`04:33.30`	`Sstixrud`	`No, I mean I have no target at all. and I get attacked and then X-perl pops up target UnitFrame`
`04:33.33`	`Xuerian`	`Continue with your business ^_^`
`04:33.45`	`Shadowed`	`I'd imagine it hijacks the default TargetFrame`
`04:33.59`	`Shirik`	`ok (1) Blizzard game engine auto-targets something if you don't have a target and you pick up aggro, that's built into the game`
`04:34.42`	`Shirik`	`(2) show/hide mid-combat, iirc, is handled via secure state headers. Also worthy of note is that lockdown doesn't begin until /after/ PLAYER_REGEN_DISABLED is fully processed, meaning there is an instant in-combat where adodns have a chance to react before locking down`
`04:35.33`	`Shadowed`	`Shirik: I'd imagine he's talking abbout cases where you'll drop a target in combat then you retarget them and it still pops up`
`04:35.41`	`XKpe`	`it doesnt apply any font? i get the same error`
`04:35.58`	`Shirik`	`right, that would be handled by a secure state header`
`04:36.26`	`Xuerian`	`Hm, Curse decided to leave Freenode...`
`04:36.31`	`Xuerian`	`Drama-ridden fun no doubt`
`04:36.38`	`Shirik`	`oh?`
`04:36.43`	`Xuerian`	`quakenet now`
`04:36.58`	`Shirik`	`quakenet is... sorry... pretty crappy`
`04:37.07`	`Shirik`	`well-known, sure, but very unstable`
`04:37.08`	`Shirik`	`imo`
`04:37.19`	`Xuerian`	`Why are you apologizing? XD`
`04:37.28`	`Shirik`	`because I don't like to degrade others`
`04:37.48`	`Xuerian`	`bah, you're just the messenger`
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`04:41.14`	`Sstixrud`	`thanks Shirik that worked`
`04:43.26`	`Sstixrud`	`Is there a way to use UnitIsFriend where it does not yellow/orange mobs (non agressive but attackable)`
`04:48.39`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`The amount of bonus damage that the Hunter pet ability 'Lightning Breath' receives from the Hunter's +damage gear has been reduced`
`04:48.40`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`@_@`
`04:48.46`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`was that really an issue?`
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`04:49.25`	`Paratus`	`When the event QUEST_COMPLETE fires, it's right before they hit the "complete quest" button while talking to an npc.. how can I get the title of the quest in question?`
`04:49.45`	`Paratus`	`I mean, how do I get the quest ID? wowwiki doesn't show any arguments passed from the event`
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`04:54.54`	`Paratus`	`Anyone?`
`04:57.04`	`Thunder_Child`	`i'm not sure you can`
`04:57.27`	`Shirik`	`quest id?`
`04:57.34`	`Shirik`	`the UI does not have access to the quest id`
`04:58.04`	`Cide`	`I already said that, Paratus`
`04:59.37`	`Mike-N-Go`	`What is the question?`
`05:01.04`	`Cide`	`"I mean, how do I get the quest ID?"`
`05:01.50`	`Mike-N-Go`	`Don't you need a quest to get it from?`
`05:04.23`	`Thunder_Child`	`here is a conversation on the same subject http://wowi.pastey.net/7524`
`05:04.40`	`Thunder_Child`	`kinda`
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`05:28.45`	`Paratus`	`I don't need the official quest ID, I need the # in the log. All I really want is the fricken name of the quest that was just completed.`
`05:29.05`	`Paratus`	`Surely if there's a QUEST_COMPLETE event, and the thing's still in the log, there should be a way to get the name of the quest?`
`05:30.58`	`Thunder_Child`	`why dont you go find an old mod that keeps quest records and look into it`
`05:32.58`	`Paratus`	`I can't think of any that recorded completed quests. It's easy to get a list of quests in the log, just not through the quest_complete event.`
`05:34.52`	`Shirik`	`there should be an easy way to have a list control that has a progress bar for each element in the list in java T_T`
`05:37.20`	`Cairenn`	`http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info4225-QuestHistoryEmerald.html or http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info6455-QuestHistoryRaleransMod.html`
`05:37.32`	`Cairenn`	`didn't look very hard :p`
`05:37.47`	`Paratus`	`Said I didn't know of any.. ;)`
`05:38.10`	`Paratus`	`Thanks tho!`
`05:38.23`	`Cairenn`	`you're welcome`
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`05:38.52`	`Shirik`	`Cairenn ftw`
`05:45.05`	`Paratus`	`Wow, what a pain. He stores a list of all quests the person had in cache, then when the quest log updates he checks to see if one is missing.. lots of room for error that way`
`05:48.20`	`wobin`	`oh wow, beryl is kinda cool`
`05:49.14`	`pastamancer`	`bah, fvwm should be good enough for anyone!`
`05:49.21`	`pastamancer`	`scratch that, twm!`
`05:50.24`	`Shirik`	`.. huh?`
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`05:53.39`	`Shirik`	`java hates me :(`
`05:55.00`	`wobin`	`Don't worry Shirik`
`05:55.07`	`wobin`	`Java hates -everybody-`
`05:55.42`	`Shirik`	`I keep getting a NullPointerException- Java's version of a segmentation fault`
`05:55.47`	`Shirik`	`and it's nice to give me the call stack and al`
`05:56.03`	`Shirik`	`but.... the whole call stack is internal java code..... and it won't show me what _I_ did that broke it T_T`
`05:57.21`	`Shirik`	`not only that, but the call stack's about 75 calls long too ><`
`05:57.22`	`Shirik`	`....`
`05:57.22`	`Shirik`	`and now I hit run and it works`
`05:57.22`	`Shirik`	`wtf!`
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`06:02.23`	`Shirik`	`purl, comfort me`
`06:02.24`	`purl`	`There, there, shirik. It's OK. I'm here for you.`
`06:02.28`	`Shirik`	`<3`
`06:08.07`	`Paratus`	`line 132: attempt to concatenate local 'CompletedQuest' (a function value) <-- wtf is this error referring to?`
`06:09.22`	`MentalPower`	`it means that you did something like "Something"..CompletedQuest`
`06:10.20`	`Paratus`	`I found the problem, nm. I forgot () on the end of a function when assigning it's return value to a variable`
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`06:14.46`	`Paratus`	`is there a function in lua that returns the # of records in a table/array?`
`06:16.09`	`MentalPower`	`number indexed array or hash table?`
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`06:18.05`	`Paratus`	`indexed`
`06:18.32`	`MentalPower`	`does this indexed table have holes in it?`
`06:18.50`	`MentalPower`	`if so then table.maxn(someTable), if not then #someTable`
`06:19.06`	`Paratus`	`thanks :)`
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`06:54.53`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`night guys`
`06:59.16`	`Thunder_Child`	`night Cairenn`
`07:01.32`	`Shirik`	`night`
`07:01.35`	`Shirik`	`I'm too late :(`
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`07:36.05`	`Shirik`	`java and their creator, sun, can die a slow, painful death`
`07:36.14`	`Shirik`	`on that note, I shall go to bed and try to continue this tomorrow ^^`
`07:36.16`	`Shirik`	`night all`
`07:37.03`	`Thunder_Child`	`night Shirik\|zZz`
`07:40.29`	`Corrodias`	`BM spec. choose a place to reduce a point to put it into "improved mend pet". http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=cEbG0xxRVzAoE0boZ0h`
`07:41.13`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`improved revive pet`
`07:41.17`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`why on earth do you have that`
`07:41.22`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`I have always considered that the most useless talent`
`07:41.53`	`amro`	`yep`
`07:41.55`	`Corrodias`	`apparently some people consider it useful to be able to res your pet quicker and cheaper during combat when your spec depends on your pet for damage`
`07:42.12`	`amro`	`why in the world should your pet be dying during combat?`
`07:42.13`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`hm, you know I actually never seriously considered the thought of reviving a pet mid-combat`
`07:42.14`	`Corrodias`	`certainly not when solo`
`07:42.23`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`but in some respects, I do see the point to that`
`07:42.51`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`do keep in mind everything I'm saying is coming from someone who used to be 55 points into MM, and is currently 50 points into it`
`07:43.08`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`i.e., I don't like BM spec`
`07:43.11`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`so I'm partially biased`
`07:43.30`	`Corrodias`	`yeah, wow is pretty deep, and the trees bring very different play styles with them`
`07:44.03`	`Corrodias`	`in an instance, pets can die as easily as other players. spending 80% of your base mana, assuming you have that much, taking 10 seconds to do it, and having the pet pop up with only 15% of its health doesn't help much in that situation,`
`07:44.03`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`I _might_ take it out of imp cc if you do want to keep the revive pet`
`07:44.07`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`wait`
`07:44.08`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`you can't do that`
`07:44.57`	`Corrodias`	`there is that "increase range by 6 yards" talent...`
`07:45.20`	`Corrodias`	`although, every time i question its value, everyone defends it ._.`
`07:45.29`	`amro`	`Corrodias: oh, I was thinking PvP`
`07:45.31`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`my spec if you were curious: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=ccZVVVRVuGestMh0h`
`07:45.38`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`and yes I do have to say you should keep it`
`07:45.49`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`you'll find that many boss abilities happen to be 40 yards`
`07:45.52`	`Corrodias`	`silencing shot is beautiful in instances`
`07:46.02`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`strangely enough, 6 yards puts you at 41`
`07:46.08`	`Corrodias`	`...huh.`
`07:46.13`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`while you see everyone being aoe knockbacked, you get to just sit there and laugh at em`
`07:46.14`	`Corrodias`	`almost as if it were planned that way! :o`
`07:46.57`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`also, I tried to do the demon quest without that talent`
`07:47.01`	`Corrodias`	`i do like your spec, but i am not good with "not getting into melee combat with stuff" if my pet isn't powerful enough to hold aggro`
`07:47.04`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`I couldn't for the life of me down artorious`
`07:47.12`	`Corrodias`	`that doesn't sound familiar`
`07:47.21`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`the 4 demons? for rhok'delar? did you ever do that quest?`
`07:47.39`	`Corrodias`	`i doubt it. is it a class quest?`
`07:47.42`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`yes`
`07:47.47`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`it is by far one of the coolest quests in the game`
`07:47.53`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`and as I have said before, the best part of it is you learn so much`
`07:48.01`	`Corrodias`	`my only hunter is level 35 (and i'm probably abandoning him in favor of a new hunter)`
`07:48.08`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`it tests every aspect of the hunter class, and ify ou don't know your class inside and out and execute it flawlessly, you will not complete it.`
`07:48.13`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`ah`
`07:48.14`	`Corrodias`	`interesting`
`07:48.34`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`you have to go 1v1 with 4 lv 60 elite demons (1 at a time of course), no pet, no assistance, no nothing`
`07:48.43`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`any assistance given gets them hit for about 20k and then the demon despawns`
`07:48.47`	`Corrodias`	`i think the complexity of the hunter really taxes my limited ability to multitask`
`07:49.04`	`Corrodias`	`now that sounds familiar`
`07:49.09`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`the hunter class can be (1) easily faked, and (2) extremely complex when played correctly`
`07:49.09`	`Corrodias`	`i think i saw something about that on alla once`
`07:49.23`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`unfortunately 90% of hunters out there fall in the first category`
`07:49.47`	`Corrodias`	`every time i played my hunter, i spent more time agonizing over his build an researching tactics than actually playing him, and having the nightmare that is engineering didn't help`
`07:49.56`	`Corrodias`	`an -> and`
`07:50.46`	`Corrodias`	`way too many materials, most of which are formed from other materials, from half a dozen ores...`
`07:50.53`	`Corrodias`	`my poor bags :(`
`07:51.05`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`yeah :(`
`07:51.12`	`Corrodias`	`leatherworking wasn't nearly as bad, back when my druid had that`
`07:51.12`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`I dropped engineering for JC in BC`
`07:52.56`	`Corrodias`	`do you know how a pet's crit chance is determined?`
`07:53.34`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`I um`
`07:53.43`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`typically keep my pet dismissed if that means anything`
`07:53.48`	`Corrodias`	`ah`
`07:53.59`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`'tis a bad habit of MM hunters`
`07:54.02`	`Corrodias`	`i am curious, how (if) do you perform solo tasks?`
`07:54.22`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`kiting very carefully`
`07:54.32`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`traps are your friend, especially because we can now place them mid-combat`
`07:56.48`	`Corrodias`	`maybe i can take one point out of Improved Aspect of the Hawk. it would increase attack speed by 12% instead of 15%, then.`
`07:56.56`	`Corrodias`	`when it procs`
`07:59.26`	`Corrodias`	`sigh... i had my action bar abilities layout all designed in an in-game notes addon, and it went and lost its variables, somehow`
`08:03.52`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i've never lost any variables, except energywatch`
`08:03.59`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`seemingly because it doesn't use savedvariables`
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`08:04.25`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i dunno how or why but it seems to store all of its stuff outside of SVs @_@`
`08:05.19`	`Corrodias`	`i don't suppose it makes cvars? haha`
`08:05.36`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`hrm apparently it does, just stores its frame position elsewhere`
`08:05.45`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`if i disable it it loses its frame pos`
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`08:09.56`	`Corrodias`	`ah`
`08:10.12`	`Corrodias`	`then it lets WoW manage the frame positions, which are stored on a per-character basis in layout-cache.txt`
`08:10.20`	`Corrodias`	`i HATE when addons do that`
`08:12.08`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`and disabling the addon resets the position`
`08:12.12`	`Corrodias`	`yep`
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`08:12.15`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`not so bad for energywatch`
`08:12.29`	`Corrodias`	`it's also a pain to synchronize frame positions among your multiple characters when you make a change`
`08:12.37`	`Corrodias`	`if you do that sort of thing`
`08:12.41`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`but it is annoying to have to /ew unlock everytime i forget to enable outdated addons every minor patch`
`08:12.52`	`Corrodias`	`and i'm so anal about it that i will spend 5 minutes trying to move a frame exactly one pixel`
`08:12.58`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`ha`
`08:13.07`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i use visor now`
`08:13.07`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`so`
`08:13.14`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`moving stuff is pretty easy`
`08:13.17`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`wouldn't it be faster to use Frame:SetPoint() in a chat frame ><`
`08:13.18`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`especially if i know frame names`
`08:13.22`	`Corrodias`	`i keep backups of my preferred layout-cache.txt and chat-cache.txt files`
`08:13.50`	`Corrodias`	`i suppose i could try that`
`08:14.54`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`why on earth`
`08:15.00`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`would an addon rely on WoW to manage frame positions`
`08:15.02`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`that's just ugly`
`08:15.14`	`Corrodias`	`i have no fucking clue. xperl does it. >_<`
`08:15.29`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`that's more than ugly`
`08:15.31`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`it's lazy`
`08:15.44`	`Corrodias`	`yes`
`08:16.10`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`I like my window manager ^^`
`08:16.23`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`when you make a window, it scans the savedvariables to see if you ever made that window before`
`08:16.35`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`if you did, it puts it in the same state/location it was before`
`08:16.58`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`it even lets you save an OnLoad script to the saved variables`
`08:17.01`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`which is kinda cool`
`08:17.06`	`Corrodias`	`nice`
`08:17.42`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`http://rdx.emoemu.com/wiki/index.php/API_RDX_Window:new`
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`08:32.39`	`Corrodias`	`i guess i sleep, now`
`08:33.16`	`Corrodias`	`the only thing my main has left to do any more is running instances and farming oshu'gun powder samples, so i'd better warm up the old alts pretty soon`
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`09:31.35`	`Corrodias`	`so i named this little hunter Swiftstrike`
`09:31.38`	`Corrodias`	`i don't think i like the name.`
`09:31.49`	`Corrodias`	`it's too hard to say.`
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`09:33.08`	`Corrodias`	`i'm good at knowing when i like a name, but i'm not so great at coming up with names`
`09:36.41`	`Corrodias`	`SOMEONE HELP >_<`
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`10:11.26`	`Corrodias`	`you're not helping much`
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`10:22.22`	`Jens`	`Corrodias: I'll help.`
`10:22.28`	`Jens`	`The name sucks.`
`10:22.55`	`Jens`	`http://ebon.pyorre.net/ <-- your friend in need`
`10:23.05`	`tlund`	`hmmm.. isnt GetScreenHeight() supposed to return the real resolution of the screen? it doesnt for me`
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`10:39.06`	`Corrodias`	`could be useful`
`10:39.11`	`Corrodias`	`but i think i'm closing in on a good name, here`
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`10:44.17`	`Jens`	`I always wanted a character called Dancer.`
`10:44.25`	`Jens`	`...and have a rank of "Private".`
`10:44.50`	`Corrodias`	`of course, once i start closing in on a name that sounds vaguely good, i realize that it's because of its similarity to an existing name`
`10:45.02`	`Corrodias`	`i just came up with something too close to Kael'Thas for my own good`
`10:45.28`	`Corrodias`	`or whatever the hell his name is`
`10:53.58`	`Gnarfoz`	`http://www.hardocp.com/images/news/1172804747QRR8ewfqvI_1_2_l.jpg < hmm big graphics cards :\|`
`10:59.11`	`MentalPower`	`what friggin card is that?`
`11:01.09`	`Gnarfoz`	`R600 production sample`
`11:01.21`	`MentalPower`	`ATI?`
`11:01.26`	`Gnarfoz`	`yes`
`11:01.30`	`Gnarfoz`	`AMD even`
`11:01.36`	`MentalPower`	`right`
`11:01.43`	`Gnarfoz`	`has ~ 1 TFLOP/s oO`
`11:02.19`	`Gnarfoz`	`http://www.hardocp.com/news.html?news=MjQ0MTcsLCxobmV3cywsLDE= ^^`
`11:02.44`	`Gnarfoz`	`but that sucker eats 300W`
`11:05.03`	`Corrodias`	`i'm going to mull over the name "Aidonel" for a while`
`11:05.54`	`Corrodias`	`maybe Eidonel...`
`11:07.35`	`Corrodias`	`no, if anything, Aidonel`
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`16:53.25`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`hi`
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`17:01.52`	`JoshBorke`	`purl, hug Cairenn\|afk`
`17:01.54`	`purl`	`ACTION gets a running start and tackle-hugs Cairenn\|afk`
`17:02.40`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`:)`
`17:02.52`	`JoshBorke`	`how you feeling today?`
`17:02.59`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`doing okay`
`17:03.01`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`yourself?`
`17:03.22`	`JoshBorke`	`i'm doing great! i got lots of sleep last week, did well on a quiz, and i get to see my fiancee tonight`
`17:03.28`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`yay`
`17:03.42`	`JoshBorke`	`are yous till sore?`
`17:03.57`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`yup`
`17:04.02`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`will be for a while`
`17:04.13`	`JoshBorke`	`must have been a pretty bad accident`
`17:04.25`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`bad enough`
`17:04.51`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`doc sending me for physio, if I can ever get my insurance company to stop being assholes`
`17:04.57`	`JoshBorke`	`yea`
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`17:26.39`	qw`	`Antiarc\|Work - Been testing your Sanity2 for a while. One consern is that the menu for adding a tag / category to an item is a rightclick on the icon, while rightclicking on the text will consume / use it, it's a bit errorprone to use something you don't want to use because you click the text instead of the icon. Just a thought.`
`17:27.22`	qw`	`Maybe ctrl+click the item to administrate it or something?`
`17:29.02`	qw`	`Also if you delete a tag from the "Manage" menu on the top it doesn't refresh the "Category / Tags" list`
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`17:38.47`	`Nethan`	`gief help with clearfont :(`
`17:39.21`	`Nethan`	`Just removed it, and some fonts that werent there when i used clearfont is on now`
`17:39.38`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`did you remember to take out the font folder as well?`
`17:40.19`	`Nethan`	`yep`
`17:40.32`	`Nethan`	`There were two folders for some reason, deleted them both`
`17:40.58`	`Nethan`	`one in the clearfont folder and on in the WoW folder`
`17:42.37`	`Nethan`	`you think a reboot would do me any good?`
`17:42.51`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`dunno, that's why I poked Kirkburn\|afk`
`17:45.01`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`wait, what?`
`17:45.21`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`you deleted the folders, but you were in game when you did it?`
`17:45.47`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`and haven't restarted since?`
`17:45.58`	`Nethan`	`i did restart the game`
`17:46.04`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`okay`
`17:46.05`	`Nethan`	`perhaps i deleted it while i were in it`
`17:46.11`	`Nethan`	`Not sure`
`17:46.21`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`restart the game`
`17:46.31`	`Nethan`	`restarting`
`17:47.06`	`Nethan`	`no change`
`17:47.08`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`while you're logged out, make sure the folders are gone, then go back in`
`17:47.17`	`Nethan`	`hmk`
`17:47.30`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`you logged all the way to desktop and back in that fast? o.O wish my computer was so speedy`
`17:48.35`	`Nethan`	`took me liek 30secs?`
`17:48.37`	`Nethan`	`that fast?`
`17:49.14`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`to completely exit the game from character at inn to desktop and back in? yeah, that was fast`
`17:49.50`	`Nethan`	`i got this addon by photek btw`
`17:49.55`	`Nethan`	`if thats any good info at all`
`17:51.02`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`it may be pulling the info from somewhere else, dunno`
`17:51.20`	`Nethan`	`you suggest i delete all my fonts on the c drive? :D`
`17:52.11`	`Nethan`	`woah`
`17:52.16`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`that would rather cause some problems :p`
`17:52.23`	`Nethan`	`i went into my WTF folders, into my new character "blueballs"`
`17:52.38`	`Nethan`	`and i found Clearfont=enabled in a textfile`
`17:52.43`	`Nethan`	`ill try that out, wait`
`17:54.20`	`Nethan`	`no, didnt work =/`
`17:54.29`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`try again !`
`17:54.34`	`Nethan`	`running out of patience :(`
`17:55.03`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`well i just logged on maybe i can help but probely not :P`
`17:55.21`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`I am just envious that you are able to log all the way out of game to desktop, make the changes, then log all the way back in that quickly`
`17:56.19`	`Nethan`	`Does it matter if i delete the folders while im in the game? because they should've said "in use" or something`
`17:56.33`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`no get loaded at start`
`17:57.03`	`Nethan`	`Cairenn actually the last time i only opened the login screen`
`17:57.03`	`cladhaire`	`exit the game`
`17:57.08`	`cladhaire`	`close world of warcraft the entire way`
`17:57.08`	`Nethan`	`Because i thought that was it`
`17:57.10`	`cladhaire`	`everything`
`17:57.11`	`cladhaire`	`=)`
`17:57.15`	`Nethan`	`Its off!`
`17:57.24`	`Nethan`	`Checking folders`
`17:57.28`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`don't just go to login screen, log all the way in`
`17:57.35`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`after you've made the changes`
`17:58.07`	`Nethan`	`I found a FrameXML in the interface folder`
`17:59.33`	`Nethan`	`containing "fonts.xml" ><`
`17:59.33`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`holy crap, when was the last time you cleaned out your stuff? framexml hasn't been used for ages`
`17:59.44`	`haste`	`it isn't used either now tho'`
`18:00.25`	`zenzelezz`	`hey Cairenn, about premium membership, how about non-autographed posters? o_O`
`18:00.31`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`no`
`18:00.34`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`:p`
`18:00.50`	`zenzelezz`	`then you shouldn't be so specific about autographed ones :-\|`
`18:00.59`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`heh`
`18:01.23`	`Nethan`	`Didnt work either Cairenn :(`
`18:02.09`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`any completely bizarre chance you have two copies of WoW installed and you are fiddling with the "wrong" one?`
`18:02.56`	`Nethan`	`meaning there should be 2 world of warcraft folders?`
`18:03.10`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`no, there should only be one, I'm asking if somehow you have 2`
`18:03.27`	`Nethan`	`I have one WoW and one World of warcraft`
`18:03.28`	`Nethan`	`><`
`18:03.41`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`so you do have two folders?`
`18:04.14`	`Nethan`	`only two icons it seems`
`18:04.27`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`right click on the launcher icon on your desktop, go to properties, find "start in" or "target"`
`18:05.01`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`figure out which one you are launching from`
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`18:05.58`	`Nethan`	`the burning crusade one is targeted at "C:\Program\World of Warcraft\Launcher.exe"`
`18:06.15`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`and that's the one you are starting the game from?`
`18:06.20`	`Nethan`	`yeah`
`18:06.31`	`Nethan`	`the other one icon is targeted at the same folder, same file.`
`18:06.45`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`okay - and the folders you've been mucking around in? where are they?`
`18:07.15`	`Nethan`	`C:\program\world of warcraft\`
`18:07.36`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`I'm out of ideas then`
`18:07.48`	`Nethan`	`:\|`
`18:09.07`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`but if you do have another install (C:\Program\WoW as opposed to C:\Program\World of Warcraft or whatever) then I'd delete it, just to make sure you don't end up with problems because of that`
`18:09.48`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`it seems that you are working with the right folders though, and if you've deleted ClearFont out of the AddOns folder and deleted the Fonts folder, then it should be back to normal`
`18:10.00`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`just keep pinging Kirkburn\|afk every so often`
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`18:17.08`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Moo`
`18:17.12`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`I guess`
`18:17.15`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`and there he is`
`18:17.59`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`Nethan: wake up, Kirkburn\|afk has put in an appearance`
`18:18.20`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`:)`
`18:18.44`	`Nethan`	`back!`
`18:19.09`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`The folders you might be looking for: [WoW directory]/Fonts, Interface/ClearFont, Interface/!ClearFont, Interface/ClearFont2, erm`
`18:19.42`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`I think that's pretty much everywhere that ClearFont could be`
`18:19.44`	`Nethan`	`[WoW directory] <- named that way because thats the name or because it could be any name?`
`18:19.56`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`just to indicate path`
`18:20.03`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`World of Warcraft/ in your case :P`
`18:20.07`	`Nethan`	`I dont know if this matters, but i save backups`
`18:20.16`	`Nethan`	`Not in the wow folder`
`18:20.26`	`Nethan`	`But i dont know how it really works so :)`
`18:20.27`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Yeah, I say that cause some people use different locations`
`18:20.41`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Where did you get ClearFont from?`
`18:21.16`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`photek`
`18:21.17`	`nevcairiel`	`why would anyone want to get rid of clearfont anyway? i cannot live without it anymore :D`
`18:21.21`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`hehe`
`18:21.35`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Hmm, is that ClearFont or CF2 I wonder?`
`18:22.46`	`Nethan`	`No idea`
`18:22.53`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`In any case, for whichever copy of WoW you're running, if there's no World of Warcraft/Fonts folder and no ClearFont folders in the Addons folder, we're schtuck :P`
`18:23.12`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`An idea!`
`18:23.14`	`Nethan`	`well i repaired my wow when i was gone watching telly`
`18:23.23`	`Nethan`	`I think it works, wait :)`
`18:23.26`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Does ClearFont appear on your in-game addons list?`
`18:23.28`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Ooh?`
`18:23.44`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`In my view "works" would be continuing to have ClearFont installed ;)`
`18:24.09`	`nevcairiel`	`mhm, i dont even remember how the font looked before clearfont`
`18:24.22`	`Nethan`	`Its like`
`18:24.24`	`Nethan`	`I dont either`
`18:24.25`	`Nethan`	`><`
`18:24.34`	`nevcairiel`	`hehe`
`18:24.36`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`lol`
`18:24.39`	`Nethan`	`Its very alike the one i had before, or the one that appeared`
`18:24.47`	`Nethan`	`I used skurri i think`
`18:24.52`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`nevcairiel, noo, don't do it, your eyes will fall out!`
`18:24.58`	`Nethan`	`definatly dont skurri :P`
`18:25.02`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Skurri is the WoW default :)`
`18:25.05`	`nevcairiel`	`aww its scarry`
`18:25.15`	`Nethan`	`Stop it kirkburn`
`18:25.16`	`Nethan`	`:)`
`18:25.17`	`nevcairiel`	`i cant even read my chat anymore`
`18:25.23`	`Nethan`	`Can i send a screen to confirm its the right font?`
`18:25.27`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Sure`
`18:25.54`	`Nethan`	`you want jpg or tga?`
`18:26.22`	`Nethan`	`jpg it is`
`18:26.48`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Yeah`
`18:26.55`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Upload it to imageshack.us or something`
`18:27.22`	`Nethan`	`Now i cant open it with photoshop anymore`
`18:27.28`	`Nethan`	`I HATE THIS.`
`18:27.36`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`:(`
`18:28.18`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`makes no sense, everything should be back to normal, from what I can tell`
`18:28.54`	`Shirik`	`you guys talking about removing clearfont?`
`18:28.59`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`yeah`
`18:29.10`	`Shirik`	`that was a mess for me too`
`18:29.13`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Much to someone's chagrin ;)`
`18:29.16`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`by all rights, it should be gone now`
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`18:29.25`	`Shirik`	`I never did figure it out`
`18:29.36`	`Shirik`	`luckily a few days later my raid array crashed and I just reinstalled wow`
`18:29.51`	`nevcairiel`	`heh`
`18:30.15`	`nevcairiel`	`if you delete the fonts, and the clearfont addon, it cannot be there .. unless`
`18:30.19`	`nevcairiel`	`wow caches its fonts`
`18:30.21`	`nevcairiel`	`in the WDB`
`18:30.31`	`Shirik`	`it might`
`18:30.39`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`I've never tested`
`18:30.45`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`if it does, that's new`
`18:30.51`	`Nethan`	`weee it works`
`18:30.59`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`?`
`18:31.03`	`Nethan`	`I tried it out the only way`
`18:31.08`	`Nethan`	`made a gaint pyroblast! :D`
`18:31.26`	`Nethan`	`THe bad news is`
`18:31.28`	`Nethan`	`i dont like it`
`18:31.33`	`Nethan`	`><`
`18:32.24`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`I don't even know what we're talking about any more :P All ClearFont should do is replace the WoW fonts. Once you remove the folders, it should all return to normal.`
`18:32.52`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`indeed, I'm confused at this point too Kirkburn\|afk`
`18:33.16`	`nevcairiel`	`i think he doesnt like the default font now.`
`18:33.39`	`nevcairiel`	`(thats where clearfont comes in in the first place :D)`
`18:33.58`	`Nethan`	`correct`
`18:34.11`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`so what did you do that finally made it go away?`
`18:35.12`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Mmm, Toto - Africa ... awesomeness`
`18:36.02`	`Nethan`	`Cairenn`
`18:36.05`	`Nethan`	`I repaired wow`
`18:36.10`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Interesting`
`18:36.11`	`Nethan`	`Using the "repair.exe" file :)`
`18:36.16`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`how very odd`
`18:37.25`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`I'll try and force myself to look at the ClearFont download sites soon - been busy elsewhere. I might even switch them to ClearFont2 possibly`
`18:37.52`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`(CF2 is only on the Ace site atm)`
`18:38.21`	`Nethan`	`All i wanted in the first place was to get rid of a mod showing for example 323 (scorch)`
`18:38.23`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`heehee`
`18:38.25`	`Nethan`	`I just wanted the numers`
`18:38.28`	`Nethan`	`numbers*`
`18:38.47`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`purl, hug Cairenn\|afk`
`18:38.49`	`purl`	`ACTION jumps into Cairenn\|afk's lap and huggles and hugs Cairenn\|afk`
`18:39.17`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`hmph, you think a simple hug will make it all better?`
`18:39.20`	`Nethan`	`Does clearfont always change numbers?`
`18:39.32`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Ah, well all ClearFont (1) can do is change the fonts used, doesn't actually add functionality :P`
`18:39.35`	`Nethan`	`i mean the ones showing damage`
`18:39.53`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`It should do, if it's the default WoW ones`
`18:40.05`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`It doesn't work on stuff like SCT and MSBT`
`18:40.53`	`Nethan`	`When i used photek, both SCT and clearfont ran together`
`18:41.02`	`Nethan`	`Afaik, the clearfont changed the text on SCT too`
`18:41.28`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`It's possible whoever makes photek altered it`
`18:41.50`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`It's possible to use the ClearFont font with SCT, just involves some file copying`
`18:42.13`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`I think it's mentioned on the ClearFont website :P`
`18:42.26`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Toodles Cairenn\|afk! I promise I'll make it up to you ;)`
`18:42.48`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`heh, no worries sweetie, you know I'm just teasing :)`
`18:43.11`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Oh?`
`18:44.22`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`At all - don't forget the lunar eclipse tonight!`
`18:44.36`	`nevcairiel`	`thats tonight?`
`18:44.47`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Aye`
`18:44.56`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/6411991.stm`
`18:45.05`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`"The eclipse begins at 2018 GMT, with the Moon totally immersed in the shadow of the Earth between 2244 and 2358 GMT."`
`18:45.06`	`nevcairiel`	`i wonder if its visible here`
`18:45.06`	`leethal`	`play The Dark Side of the Moon and watch it`
`18:45.27`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`"The eclipse will be visible from the whole of Europe, Africa, South America, and eastern parts of the US and Canada."`
`18:45.39`	`nevcairiel`	`sounds good`
`18:45.43`	`Shirik`	`woot`
`18:45.45`	`nevcairiel`	`i am somewhere in whole of europe :P`
`18:45.48`	`Shirik`	`eastern us ftw ^^`
`18:45.51`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`BBC story also shows the coverage areas at the bottom`
`18:45.56`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Most of the world gets something :)`
`18:47.26`	`nevcairiel`	`i hope its not cloudy`
`18:47.28`	`amro`	`is it tonight? the article doesn't seem to specify`
`18:47.48`	`Shirik`	`it says "saturday" and was written on friday`
`18:47.50`	`Shirik`	`so I assume tonight`
`18:48.02`	`nevcairiel`	`"After Saturday's eclipse, the next to be seen"`
`18:48.06`	`nevcairiel`	`i guess`
`18:48.06`	`amro`	`oh i skipped the part in bold for some reason`
`18:48.10`	`amro`	`><`
`18:48.48`	`Shirik`	`because it's usually worthless :P`
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`18:54.57`	`Nethan`	`Anyone know anything about bartender? :o`
`18:55.15`	`nevcairiel`	`hm`
`18:55.18`	`nevcairiel`	`try me`
`18:56.03`	`Nethan`	`how do i move everything? :o`
`18:56.14`	`Nethan`	`Button lock is off`
`18:56.18`	`nevcairiel`	`oh thats easy`
`18:56.26`	`nevcairiel`	`use the other lock :D`
`18:56.31`	`nevcairiel`	`either /bar lock`
`18:56.35`	`nevcairiel`	`or the menu option`
`18:56.37`	`cogwheel`	`Umm... i haven't played a hunter in god-knows-how-long... Are we SUPPOSED to be able to track beasts when we have herbalism or some other non-hunter tracking ability up?`
`18:56.47`	`cogwheel`	`or is this just a really awesome bug?`
`18:56.54`	`nevcairiel`	`button lock protects your spells from being pulled out.`
`18:57.03`	`nevcairiel`	`i guess thats a bug. at least i cannot do both.`
`18:57.37`	`cogwheel`	`well, I sure as hell am not reporting it XD`
`18:58.06`	`nevcairiel`	`its not like that it gives you a big advantage now :D`
`18:58.23`	`Nethan`	`thanks nevcairiel`
`18:58.25`	`Nethan`	`it worked :)`
`18:58.52`	`cogwheel`	`well, yeah, but still :P`
`19:01.32`	`Shirik`	`who is this Peeka guy and why is he spamming our forums with the same post 500 times`
`19:02.07`	`nevcairiel`	`cogwheel: i had a funny bug with trackings last week, as a druid i only have track humanoids in cat form .. but somehow i shifted back to caster, and still had it on .. that was great :P`
`19:02.27`	`cogwheel`	`hmm... i guess it'll probably be fixed then :(`
`19:04.55`	`Shirik`	`does it happen every time?`
`19:05.50`	`nevcairiel`	`for me? nah, only once`
`19:05.58`	`Shirik`	`boo`
`19:07.37`	`cogwheel`	`mine seems to be happening regularly... I've switched tracking skills a few times and even logged out and back`
`19:07.54`	`Shirik`	`oh`
`19:07.55`	`Shirik`	`and`
`19:07.58`	`Shirik`	`I didn't see you say that , but no`
`19:08.18`	`Shirik`	`you aren't supposed to be able to track xxxx while using a resource tracking skill`
`19:08.27`	`cogwheel`	`that's what i thought`
`19:16.39`	`cogwheel`	`My newest macro: /smell /cast Feign Death`
`19:16.51`	`Shirik`	`ha`
`19:18.00`	`amro`	`once I logged on my hunter and was able to have all aspects up`
`19:18.07`	`Shirik`	`mmm`
`19:18.11`	`Shirik`	`aoth + aotv`
`19:18.13`	`amro`	`it was awesome till I got ganked`
`19:18.14`	`Shirik`	`I would kill for that`
`19:18.34`	`amro`	`this was before 2.0 on a hunter alt I hadn't played ina while`
`19:18.38`	`Shirik`	`200 RAP + 80 MP5...`
`19:18.45`	`nevcairiel`	`i deleted my hunter alt`
`19:18.53`	`nevcairiel`	`granted, it only was like mid 30s`
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`19:22.29`	`amro`	`turns out sandpaper works well on scratched CDs and DVDs`
`19:22.41`	`Shirik`	`o.o`
`19:22.56`	`amro`	`assuming you're trying to ruin someone else's CD, ofc`
`19:23.27`	`amro`	`but even a scratched CD isn't as bad as a floppy disk`
`19:23.48`	`Shirik`	`oh...`
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`19:27.30`	`Nethan`	`What is the name of the mod that makes your combat log more simple? Adds when blabla damage occured etc`
`19:27.45`	`Nethan`	`also colours parts of the damage event`
`19:28.30`	`Arrowmaster`	`simple combat log`
`19:28.54`	`leethal`	`combat log parsing ftw anyways`
`19:28.56`	`leethal`	`I'm addicted to that`
`19:30.03`	`cogwheel`	`i just realized what advantage it is to have beast tracking and herbalism at the same time.... I'm an herbalist/skinner :P`
`19:30.11`	`Shirik`	`nice`
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`19:36.44`	`zenzelezz`	`maybe Blizzard decided it was too hard to be a farmer when you could only track one thing at a time on a hunter`
`19:46.26`	`Nethan`	`Wheres navcairiel?`
`19:50.23`	`amro`	`is it just me or is the armory down right now?`
`19:50.31`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`I'm off to the cinema, Hot Fuzz ftw :)`
`20:00.00`	`kergoth`	`hmm, would be nice if the Nameplates addon could hide the bar border on the enemy cast bar`
`20:00.30`	`nevcairiel`	`Nethan: ?`
`20:01.51`	`Shadowed`	`kergoth: It's somewhat complicated to do that`
`20:02.20`	`Shadowed`	`meant to look into it again, but I think they reshow it everytime the casting bar value chagnes`
`20:02.54`	`Shadowed`	`s/chagnes/changes/`
`20:08.56`	`kergoth`	`ahh, that sucks`
`20:10.08`	`Shadowed`	`Although, I think I found a way to speed up the checking for new frames`
`20:10.15`	`leethal`	`uhm.. what was the name of that "make all frames with backgrounds cool black gradient thingie" addon?`
`20:10.28`	`Shirik`	`eepanels maybe?`
`20:10.38`	`Shirik`	`ooh`
`20:10.43`	`Shirik`	`nm I know what you'er talking about now`
`20:10.46`	`Shirik`	`but don't know what it's called :/`
`20:10.56`	`leethal`	`ya, and I had it earlier. unable to find it though`
`20:11.16`	`leethal`	`heh, these "what's the name of that addon" questions call for some change in addon name conventions`
`20:11.25`	`Shadowed`	`I assume for select( #, ... ) you could use something like select( WorldFrame:GetNumChildren(), ... ) to get the latest entry added?`
`20:13.12`	`Shirik`	`select?`
`20:13.46`	`Shadowed`	`yeah, select()`
`20:14.22`	`leethal`	`Shirik: it's ace, isn't it?`
`20:14.24`	`Shirik`	`it might be`
`20:14.26`	`Shirik`	`I've never heard of it`
`20:14.44`	`Shirik`	`it's definitely not built-in lua, can tell you that much`
`20:14.46`	`Shadowed`	`no not Ace`
`20:15.09`	`Shadowed`	`it's built into WoW :p`
`20:15.19`	`leethal`	`oh, and is the ported discord mods safe stuff?`
`20:15.35`	`Shirik`	`there's also no wowwiki page on it :/`
`20:15.40`	`Shirik`	`where is this "select" ?`
`20:15.44`	`Shirik`	`and what does it do?`
`20:15.49`	`cladhaire`	`...`
`20:15.52`	`cogwheel`	`http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#pdf-select`
`20:15.53`	`cladhaire`	`select is a lua construct`
`20:15.59`	`cladhaire`	`has nothign to do with wow or ace.`
`20:16.02`	`cladhaire`	`lrn2lua`
`20:16.06`	`Shirik`	`I've never heard of it >.>`
`20:16.17`	`cladhaire`	`its the only way to handle variable arguments without a table constructor`
`20:16.17`	`Shirik`	`is it a 5.1 thing?`
`20:16.20`	`cladhaire`	`yes`
`20:16.21`	`zenzelezz`	`was a big thing in the 2.0 patch or something, wasn't it?`
`20:16.23`	`Shirik`	`that's why`
`20:16.27`	`Shadowed`	`Google was failing me on a link :(`
`20:16.29`	`Shirik`	`still learning 5.1 :/`
`20:16.36`	`cladhaire`	`hehe there weren't many changes`
`20:16.40`	`cladhaire`	`shouldn't take that long =)`
`20:16.45`	`Shirik`	`ok let me clarify`
`20:16.48`	`cladhaire`	`#tbl and select() were really it =)`
`20:16.52`	`Shirik`	`still need to get around to researching 5.1`
`20:17.08`	`Shirik`	`and they fully removed the deprecated syntax for key,pair in table`
`20:17.23`	`cladhaire`	`aye, but thats not a language change since it was already deprecated`
`20:18.23`	`cladhaire`	`sorry, i'm messy`
`20:18.42`	`cladhaire`	`lol`
`20:19.15`	`Shirik`	`ok bit of a design question for you guys`
`20:19.39`	`Shirik`	`should I try to update all addons at the same time, each addon getting its own thread, or should I try to do them one-at-a-time?`
`20:19.45`	`Shirik`	`or perhaps, only 5 at a time, something like that`
`20:19.48`	`Shadowed`	`one at a time`
`20:19.58`	`leethal`	`a last annoying little question from me: I'm using bartender. should I? Is there a super imba better alternative?`
`20:20.17`	`Shirik`	`I use bongos but they really all function pretty much the same`
`20:20.18`	`Shadowed`	`if you're trying to do big changes to multiple addons would only update one, if it's just small stuff then shouldn't make a difference`
`20:20.26`	`cogwheel`	`I use CogsBar (go figure :P )`
`20:20.36`	`leethal`	`cogwheel: =P`
`20:21.25`	`cladhaire`	`Shirik: Serially, it'll be more responsive for the user, less hit on the server, and make more sense overall`
`20:21.46`	`Shirik`	`true`
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`21:10.18`	`cladhaire`	`Anyone here know whisperwind?`
`21:11.32`	`Tierrie`	`I am on whisperwind`
`21:13.03`	`cladhaire`	`nah, i mean whisperwind`
`21:13.07`	`cladhaire`	`the author of SuicideKings`
`21:13.14`	`cladhaire`	`he needs to update at wowinterface so i can link it in the book`
`21:13.17`	`cladhaire`	`or i can just put curse`
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`21:25.38`	`pakoz`	`yo`
`21:26.03`	`pakoz`	`anyone know how to change the elite emblem on xperl.. its rather large and it prevents me from seeing the raid marks`
`21:35.19`	`Corrodias`	`elite emblem?`
`21:35.25`	`Corrodias`	`i have no idea what you mean`
`21:35.28`	`Shirik`	`think he means the gold dragon?`
`21:35.39`	`Corrodias`	`but xperl gives you different unitframes`
`21:35.49`	`Shirik`	`meh, I don't know anything about xperl at all :P`
`21:35.59`	`Corrodias`	`there is no golden dragon, and as far as i remember offhand, elites are marked with a little "elite" tag to the right`
`21:39.44`	`Corrodias`	`i have no problem seeing raid icons`
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`21:55.13`	`Kraze`	`is there any guide out there focus on converting between .xml and .lua coding??`
`21:55.44`	`Corrodias`	`what do you mean, converting?`
`21:56.30`	`Kraze`	`like.. the coding can either be done in .xml or in .lua files`
`21:56.43`	`Kraze`	`I want to know how to "convert" between the 2`
`21:57.20`	`Xuerian`	`The frames can be layed out and the events setup in XML, but I take it you actually mean "How to re-write a interface that's currently in XML, in pure lua"`
`21:57.36`	`Kraze`	`ah, yes`
`21:58.25`	`Kraze`	`Is everyone in this channel so smart?? They can always word stuff so eligantly`
`21:58.52`	`Tierrie`	`hur hur hur`
`21:59.03`	`Tierrie`	`teri smurt hur`
`21:59.08`	`cladhaire`	`i r smrt`
`21:59.08`	`Xuerian`	`You don't need a guide, really. local widget = CreateFrame('FrameType', 'FrameName', Parent, 'Template'), or Create[Texture/FontString](...), just keep www.wowwiki.com/Widget_API open and compare your XML to what you need done in lua.`
`21:59.25`	`Tierrie`	`clahair smrt 2 hur hur`
`21:59.51`	`Xuerian`	`eye gots huuked on fonix!`
`22:00.00`	`Tierrie`	`you know what my greatest nemesis in coding is?`
`22:00.03`	`Tierrie`	`plurals`
`22:00.06`	`Xuerian`	`I forget the original code, forgive me...`
`22:00.12`	`Tierrie`	`"did i name that variable Buffs or Buff?!"`
`22:00.17`	`Xuerian`	`damn you Tierrie, you made me think 'code', not 'joke'`
`22:00.59`	`Thrae`	`Kraze: Everyone is a newbie at one time or another. And when you're a newbie, it can be hard to try and talk to a veteran coder. The intelligence can come from either side -- a newbie who knows how to ask questions the proper way, or a guru who knows how to interpret badly formed questions.`
`22:01.04`	`Cide`	`make it a convention to only give tables plural names ;)`
`22:01.32`	`Kraze`	`www.wowwiki.com/Widget_API tells you what the lua code does, I need to know what the .xml script do.`
`22:02.18`	`Corrodias`	`i'm still not -sure- about my new hunter's name`
`22:03.37`	`Tierrie`	`bleetah are you here?`
`22:03.37`	`cladhaire`	`Kraze: basically each attribute has a corresponding lua function`
`22:03.38`	`Corrodias`	`"Aidonel" feels a little passive, still`
`22:03.38`	`cladhaire`	`i.e. topLevel="true"`
`22:03.38`	`cladhaire`	`has :SetTopLevel()`
`22:03.38`	`cladhaire`	`etc.`
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`22:03.56`	`bleetah`	`Tierrie: vaguely`
`22:03.56`	`cladhaire`	`stop talking about him, he's back.`
`22:03.56`	`Tierrie`	`ok`
`22:03.57`	`Shirik`	`...`
`22:03.57`	`Tierrie`	`nothing bleetah`
`22:04.05`	`Shirik`	`not funny >.>`
`22:04.05`	`cladhaire`	`Shirik: lol =)`
`22:04.11`	`cladhaire`	`i'm just kidding man :P`
`22:04.12`	`Shirik`	`everyone hates me T_T`
`22:04.14`	`Tierrie`	`kidding! bleetah do you want to test out my new config "style" and let me know what you think`
`22:04.14`	`bleetah`	`Tierrie: it's early morning, still too much blood in the caffiene system ;)`
`22:04.26`	`Shirik`	`heh I know you're just kidding ><`
`22:05.03`	`Kraze`	`What does <Anchor> in .xml mean?`
`22:05.39`	`cladhaire`	`its setting an anchor point`
`22:05.45`	`cladhaire`	`equivalent to Frame:SetPoint()`
`22:05.49`	`Kraze`	`is it just creating a place for frame and stuff to hang on to?`
`22:05.50`	`Shirik`	`it's SetPoint`
`22:05.50`	`cladhaire`	`it seems you're confused abotu what XML does`
`22:05.51`	`Shirik`	`:(`
`22:06.00`	`Shirik`	`http://wowwiki.com/XML_User_Interface`
`22:06.06`	`Kraze`	`probally, what does it do?`
`22:06.16`	`cladhaire`	`~fara`
`22:06.24`	`cladhaire`	`i'm looking for the tutorial`
`22:06.33`	`Tierrie`	`its easy bleetah, i just want some feedback, not beta testing`
`22:06.36`	`Xuerian`	`Kraze: You really need to open the Widget_API, a mod that uses XML for it's interface, and a mod that uses lua for it's interface, and compare them. That's easier than asking us every step of the way`
`22:06.37`	`Tierrie`	`will take like 10 minutes`
`22:07.14`	`bleetah`	`Tierrie: will do, just trying to do some auctioneer user support at the moment`
`22:07.26`	`Tierrie`	`ok let me know when you have a couple of minutes`
`22:07.27`	`cladhaire`	`~webeddie`
`22:07.39`	`cladhaire`	`http://fara.webeddie.com/frames/`
`22:07.40`	`cladhaire`	`there we go`
`22:07.43`	`cladhaire`	`purl, fara is http://fara.webeddie.com/frames/`
`22:07.45`	`purl`	`cladhaire: okay`
`22:07.53`	`cladhaire`	`purl, wowxmltutorial is http://fara.webeddie.com/frames/`
`22:07.55`	`purl`	`cladhaire: okay`
`22:08.06`	`cladhaire`	`that will explain the wow XML system`
`22:08.19`	`cladhaire`	`and the API functions are just the equivalent options`
`22:08.46`	`Kraze`	`Xuerian: I couldn't find 2 mods or 2 similar thats both coded in xml and lua, that would've been too easy`
`22:10.24`	`Kraze`	`cladhaire: great! that site is just what I am looking for, at least is a start`
`22:11.18`	`Xuerian`	`Tutorials. BAH!`
`22:12.49`	`Kraze`	`Xuerian: I take it you learn from trial and error??`
`22:13.05`	`Xuerian`	`Trial By Manual`
`22:13.15`	`Kraze`	`Whats that?`
`22:13.18`	`Nethan`	`Cairenn\|afk: i have to admit something`
`22:13.30`	`Nethan`	`Its VERY likely that font was the origin wow font :D`
`22:13.34`	`Xuerian`	`Trial, error, example, and RTFM :p`
`22:13.35`	`Nethan`	`thanks for the help though <3`
`22:14.58`	`bleetah`	`Tierrie: rightio`
`22:15.11`	`Kraze`	`what on earth is RTFM?`
`22:15.22`	`bleetah`	`'read the "fine" manual'`
`22:15.37`	`Fin`	`http://www.google.com/search?q=rtfm`
`22:15.42`	`bleetah`	`Tierrie: free now`
`22:15.48`	`Fin`	`(without meaning to be rude!)`
`22:16.21`	`Fin`	`(HTH, HAND)`
`22:18.18`	`Tierrie`	`do you have TS Bleetah?`
`22:18.42`	`bleetah`	`yup... but the headset's busteroid :(`
`22:18.54`	`bleetah`	`so I can't use it hehe`
`22:19.16`	`Tierrie`	`ok give me a sec`
`22:19.24`	`bleetah`	`wtb: Logitech Socom (PS2 game) USB headset (or similar... one earpiece ftw!)`
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`22:25.40`	`Xenok`	`hmm`
`22:25.48`	`Tierrie`	`is it possible to SetTexture(nil)?`
`22:26.19`	`Tierrie`	`woot yes`
`22:26.52`	`Xenok`	`how do I make it so that when I have like 4 selections in a drop down menu.. how do I make it so that I can display varriables without creating a frame for EACH selection?`
`22:27.23`	`Tierrie`	`you have to create at least a FontString or a Button for each selection`
`22:27.33`	`Tierrie`	`however, if you inherit UIDropDownMenu a lot of the work is done for you`
`22:28.42`	`Xenok`	`soo .. like I have one drop down with the 3 contenents.. I click one and it shows the zones in the next dropdown menu.... I want to show saved variables in each zone without making a frame for each single zone.....`
`22:28.48`	`Xenok`	`thats my situation`
`22:29.25`	`Tierrie`	`are you using UIDropDownMenu?`
`22:29.39`	`Xenok`	`I think so`
`22:30.11`	`Xenok`	`yes`
`22:30.36`	`Tierrie`	`UIDropDownMenu will allow you to create children`
`22:31.08`	`Tierrie`	`its API will sort of let you create multiple windows`
`22:31.17`	`Xenok`	`how so?`
`22:33.00`	`Tierrie`	`i don't remember offhand`
`22:33.16`	`Xenok`	`lol`
`22:33.18`	`Tierrie`	`but i read the code 2 days ago and i know that some mods uses it`
`22:33.41`	`Xenok`	`does the world map frame use it you think?`
`22:33.44`	`Tierrie`	`DeuceCommander is one, the set loot button when you right click a player's portrait is another`
`22:33.53`	`Tierrie`	`you can use it`
`22:34.43`	`Xenok`	`hmm`
`22:35.58`	`Xenok`	`Oh I have another question.. something just poped up.. lol .. If I SELECT the option.. it will open another frame with the variables I make... I don't want to make frames for each zone there either ><`
`22:37.38`	`Xenok`	`that idea just came to mind`
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`23:00.43`	`Xenok`	`anyone know how to save player coords with variables? ><`
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`23:10.15`	`Tierrie`	`what do you mean Xenok?`
`23:10.44`	`Xenok`	`umm`
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`23:11.08`	`Xenok`	`I want to be able to have the player save his coords in a zone and be able to display it in a window`
`23:11.21`	`bleetah`	`Tierrie: I've just had to log another toon in so I can see your feral pally design again ;)`
`23:11.28`	`Tierrie`	`bleetah: its a feature`
`23:11.52`	`bleetah`	`zomg .. best addon feature I've ever seen... I gots ta go fighting with it soon.`
`23:12.08`	`Tierrie`	`Xenok: well you would first get the player coordinates and then some how transform that into the map coordiates and then create some button or frame and put it on that window`
`23:12.37`	`Xenok`	`uhhh lol`
`23:12.39`	`Tierrie`	`bleetah: Warning: May cause seizure, diarhea, and recklessness`
`23:12.40`	`bleetah`	`flintlocke's raig on thunderbluff will be left for dead when this li'l feral pally is finished`
`23:12.40`	`Xenok`	`ouch`
`23:12.44`	`bleetah`	`*raid`
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`23:14.42`	`Tierrie`	`ok so how do you get a frame's position and "remember" it?`
`23:14.55`	`Tierrie`	`more accurately, how doyou get the x and y position of a frame?`
`23:15.01`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`you can get the frame's position via GetPoint()`
`23:15.05`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`though it won't exactly be an x and y`
`23:15.19`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`it gives you the anchor point, and the position relative to that anchor point`
`23:15.52`	`Tierrie`	`that's good enough`
`23:15.56`	`Tierrie`	`I was looking under Frame:X()`
`23:16.01`	`Tierrie`	`it was under Region:X()`
`23:16.25`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`yeah`
`23:16.31`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`that kinda stuff tends to happen ^^`
`23:16.43`	`Tierrie`	`oh reading Region:X() I find GetTop and GetLeft()`
`23:16.48`	`Tierrie`	`i think that's relative to UIParent?`
`23:17.00`	`Tierrie`	`nifty but i think I'll use GetPoint()`
`23:17.48`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`you typically don't want to deal with x and y values directly`
`23:17.54`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`it makes the ui very unscalable`
`23:18.07`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`it's best to use relative positions, and typically easier as well`
`23:18.19`	`Tierrie`	`ja`
`23:21.00`	`Juido`	`hi all, are there other chat variables like %t for target ? maybe for focus ?`
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`23:21.36`	`Tierrie`	`don't think so`
`23:24.52`	`Tierrie`	`what is the script analogue to XML's enableMouse=""?`
`23:25.46`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`you mean so it responds to things like OnClick ?`
`23:26.13`	`Tierrie`	`yeap, my frame is created via lua instead of XML so i need to find a way to set enableMouse= true`
`23:26.21`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`it's protected`
`23:26.34`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`you can't call it, but I think you're approaching the problem from the wrong angle`
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`23:26.38`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`pastey your code that creates the frame`
`23:26.54`	`Tierrie`	`SetMovable() is protected too right?`
`23:27.14`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`negative`
`23:27.46`	`Tierrie`	`hmm i broke firefox!`
`23:27.53`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`congrats, that's pretty hard to do`
`23:28.30`	`Tierrie`	`it appears i might have broken IE too`
`23:28.39`	`Tierrie`	`at this stage its more likely that i broke my computer`
`23:28.43`	`Tierrie`	`time to save stuff >_<`
`23:29.56`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`you could break it more by doing /script UIParent = nil; if you want`
`23:30.34`	`fox689`	`haha`
`23:30.41`	`Tierrie`	`http://wowi.pastey.net/7562`
`23:30.52`	`Tierrie`	`that would nuke wow pretty hard`
`23:31.08`	`fox689`	`I hate when I break my computer. It usually requires several hundred $$ to unbreak it.`
`23:31.21`	`Tierrie`	`you should buy one of those $100 laptops`
`23:31.30`	`Tierrie`	`then you've just ended up with a very expensive paperweight`
`23:31.56`	`fox689`	`Na, I've got a MacBook that doesn't break. I just tend to break my PC a lot`
`23:32.27`	`fox689`	`more things to break it with.`
`23:32.57`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`ok Tierrie what are you trying to do with that code?`
`23:33.29`	`Tierrie`	`I would like to make that frame movable`
`23:33.56`	`Tierrie`	`so i can move it anywhere so instead of x and y which is hardcoded, I will save that x and y into some variable, and then next time, it will automagically place it in the new position`
`23:34.42`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`let me look up how I did this; I forgot ^^;`
`23:34.47`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`I know it's really easy though`
`23:35.29`	`Tierrie`	`ja i would imagine its one of the most basic cases :)`
`23:36.11`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`got it`
`23:36.13`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`it is very easy`
`23:36.24`	`Xuerian`	`SetMovable(1):EnableMouse(1)`
`23:36.27`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`actually this is what I thought it was, I just wanted to double check ^^`
`23:36.47`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`EnableMouse() <-- protected now`
`23:36.56`	`Xuerian`	`0_o`
`23:37.14`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`at least according to wowwiki`
`23:37.36`	`Tierrie`	`well my frames are not secure`
`23:37.47`	`Xuerian`	`Then you don't need to worry about it.`
`23:37.51`	`Tierrie`	`so I can just use it, and if we're in combat then error messages will pop up and kill my user`
`23:38.01`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`you don't`
`23:38.02`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`here`
`23:38.11`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`I highlighted the important lines: http://wowi.pastey.net/7563`
`23:38.25`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`that's a generic function I use when setting up my windows`
`23:38.27`	`Tierrie`	`are you RDX's author?\`
`23:38.47`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`I am one of two`
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`23:39.11`	`Tierrie`	`do you guys still have that global whiteboard? for the entire raid?`
`23:39.44`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`there's a lot of stuff that disapeared when 2.0 came around; we're doing things in a prioritized order :P`
`23:39.57`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`we've rewritten the windowing system about 4 times now`
`23:39.58`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`heh`
`23:40.00`	`Tierrie`	`btw your pastey has that handle's frame set to enableMouse already`
`23:40.32`	`Xenok`	`Anyone use WoWbench?`
`23:40.50`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`is that a question Tierrie?`
`23:41.16`	`Tierrie`	`it was part of the original question -- how to move a frame that doesn't have enableMouse and moveable set`
`23:41.20`	`Tierrie`	`but i iwll try Enable()`
`23:41.22`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`none of the rdx frames are made in xml`
`23:41.26`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`they are all lua now`
`23:41.31`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`i.e., I can't call EnableMouse()`
`23:41.39`	`Tierrie`	`why not?`
`23:41.51`	`Xuerian`	`Non-secure frames can use EnableMouse() perfectly fine, in-combat or out`
`23:42.16`	`Tierrie`	`that seems to be the deal`
`23:42.34`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`also the example given is, I believe, a secure frame; I haven't messed with the window manager in a while, Cidan handles most of that ><`
`23:42.46`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`no I know`
`23:42.55`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`it's aframe which is the parent of a secure frame`
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`23:43.40`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`in any case the point is... to make a frame movable, do a SetMovable, then have OnMouseDown handler call StartMoving(), and then OnMouseUp handler call StopMovingOrSizing()`
`23:43.56`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`whether or not EnableMouse is required is something you can figure out via trial and error`
`23:44.12`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`it /should/ be required`
`23:44.21`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`but when I saw wowwiki say it's protected I got confused`
`23:44.33`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`which also means someone should adjust that documentation >.>`
`23:46.13`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`right, time to head back home`
`23:46.14`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`good luck`
`23:50.54`	`fox689`	`ok, I would like to know a good place to learn how to write addons for WoW with no previous expirience with Lua or XML`
`23:51.23`	`fox689`	`I'm very good at debugging this stuff, but when it comes to writing my own work, I'm lost`
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`23:54.28`	`Xuerian`	`fox689: What other languages do you know?`
`23:54.44`	`fox689`	`Java/Javascript and HTML`
`23:55.58`	`Xuerian`	`Well then, use your knowledge of programming, forget about using XML (it's not required at all, simply a alternative), and keep these three pages open at all times: www.wowwiki.com/World_of_Warcraft_API www.wowwiki.com/Widget_API http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html`
`23:56.00`	`Shirik`	`wow...`
`23:56.09`	`Shirik`	`I drove home faster than freenode realized I dced`
`23:56.13`	`Xuerian`	`Haha.`
`23:57.27`	`fox689`	`why forget about using XML?`
`23:57.45`	`Shirik`	`it's not really needed, it's just there as a convenience`
`23:57.54`	`Shirik`	`use it if you want, it's entirely up to you`
`23:58.01`	`Shirik`	`personally, I don't`
`23:58.08`	`fox689`	`isn't XML used for the GUI part of the addons?`
`23:58.16`	`Shirik`	`you can do it just as easily in Lua`
`23:58.36`	`Shirik`	`CreateFrame, SetPoint, SetScript.... everything you can do in XML is possible in Lua`
`23:59.00`	`Tierrie`	`hmm for some odd reason GetPoint() is returning my frame relative to the UIParent, not to its parent`
`23:59.02`	`Shirik`	`but if you find XML easier, by all means go for it`
`23:59.10`	`Tierrie`	`why u r tha cheatz me WoWWiki?!`
`23:59.11`	`fox689`	`k`
`23:59.18`	`Shirik`	`Tierrie: Just because something's a frame's parent doesn't mean it's its anchor`
`23:59.53`	`Xuerian`	`fox689: Blizzard uses XML for their interfaces, and so do many authors merely because they like it or learned that way, and it's perfectly fine, but blizzard ui devs also do silly things like using semicolons and parenthesis inside logical equasions, or forgetting to use locals...`

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