| 00:01.12 | Shirik | Tierrie: IIRC, when you create a frame, it is anchored to UIParent until you specify otherwise via SetPoint |
| 00:01.36 | Tierrie | which i did, i SetPoint() and anchored it to something else |
| 00:01.40 | Shirik | oh? |
| 00:01.47 | fox689 | hmm... |
| 00:01.56 | Tierrie | ja |
| 00:01.59 | Tierrie | well its quite alright |
| 00:02.03 | Tierrie | time to eat and be merry anyway |
| 00:02.07 | Shirik | hehe |
| 00:02.08 | Shirik | have fun |
| 00:02.25 | Shirik | I take that back... I think |
| 00:02.25 | fox689 | I like the idea of keeping the interface data and function data separate. So, I'll probably do it the Blizzard way |
| 00:02.28 | Shirik | when you create a frame |
| 00:02.35 | Shirik | it doesn't have a point until you SetPoint |
| 00:02.54 | Shirik | in any case it's always good practice to use SetPoint asap after you create the frame |
| 00:03.13 | Tierrie | i already did SetPoint and I made sure that the parent has meaning |
| 00:03.24 | Shirik | oh the parent definitely has meaning |
| 00:03.30 | Shirik | just not with regards to its anchor |
| 00:03.34 | Tierrie | and the anchor |
| 00:04.03 | Tierrie | the anchor has to be valid, because the frame is relative to it on the screen |
| 00:04.09 | Tierrie | otherwise the frame would be off flying somewhere |
| 00:04.17 | Tierrie | and i'd notice immediately |
| 00:04.20 | Tierrie | frame go fly fly |
| 00:04.20 | Shirik | heh |
| 00:04.36 | Xuerian | fox689: Doing things in lua also lets you control the scope of things much better (you can reference menial frames with no name, instead of creating a global with their name), you can dynamically generate frames easier, you can determine when you want frames to created (when needed, instead of when loaded), etc |
| 00:05.00 | Xuerian | Also requires less code. >.> |
| 00:07.08 | fox689 | alright. I'll try it that way for my first addon then |
| 00:07.14 | Tierrie | Shirik I found out what's going on |
| 00:07.17 | Xuerian | Not to mention, you don't have to keep as many reference pages open, as when doing it in lua, it's easy to look at wowwiki.com/Widget_API and see what to do during setup or manipulation directly, instead of looking at the xml references and translating. |
| 00:07.57 | fox689 | thanks for the info |
| 00:08.03 | Shirik | what's that Tierrie |
| 00:08.04 | Tierrie | http://wowi.pastey.net/7564 |
| 00:08.25 | Tierrie | GetPoint() is valid before moving, aftermoving its anchored to top left of the UIParent |
| 00:08.37 | Tierrie | so now i eat then i figure out why |
| 00:09.26 | fox689 | Oh, one last question. When is it ok to take over someone elses addon? CustomWorldFrame hasn't been updated in over a year and I made it work again. |
| 00:09.43 | Xuerian | If you can't contact the author, that sounds kosher :P |
| 00:11.17 | bleetah | common practice in OSS would be to note in the readme the original author and where you found the code. |
| 00:11.27 | fox689 | yeah, I was thinking of uploading my updated version of it and then completely recoding it from scratch to comply with 5.1 |
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| 00:59.58 | clad|dinner | Is there a combined TankPoints/HealPoints? |
| 01:00.03 | clad|dinner | or somethign like it? |
| 01:02.35 | Shirik | what is a "tank point" |
| 01:02.43 | Shirik | or a "heal point" |
| 01:14.02 | fox689 | does an addon really need a frame if it doesn't use it? |
| 01:14.21 | Shirik | not always |
| 01:14.29 | fox689 | because I have an XML file that is practically useless |
| 01:14.48 | Shirik | well just keep in mind that to register for events, you'll need a frame |
| 01:16.15 | fox689 | ah, yeah, well, I'm trying to eliminate the XML file in the addon. it has two script events at the end of a hidden frame creator |
| 01:16.36 | fox689 | yeah, my terminology sux |
| 01:17.00 | Shirik | if you want to get rid of the file, you could always use CreateFrame() in your Lua file |
| 01:17.11 | Shirik | then register the events there on your dynamically created frame |
| 01:17.26 | fox689 | alright |
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| 01:17.47 | fox689 | well, if the frame is needed, then I'll leave it |
| 01:19.25 | Tierrie | hey clad do you ever have a problem with GetPoints() after StartMoving()? Specifically having the entire frame become relative to UIParent()? |
| 01:20.07 | clad|dinner | i haven't had that specifically no, because i haven't done theat, heh |
| 01:20.11 | Shirik | Tierrie: question |
| 01:20.19 | Tierrie | heya Shirik |
| 01:20.28 | Tierrie | something strange just happened :P |
| 01:20.43 | Shirik | after you've moved the frame, it reports UIParent as being the anchor. So, if you move what was the old anchor, does the frame in question move along with it? Or is it fully detached now? |
| 01:21.10 | Tierrie | ok well i thought about it some more and it confuzzled the crap out of me |
| 01:21.17 | Tierrie | when i came home my char was logged out |
| 01:21.23 | Tierrie | and when i moved crap around it stays anchored now |
| 01:21.29 | Shirik | ha |
| 01:21.30 | Tierrie | after logging back in |
| 01:21.35 | Shirik | perhaps you forgot to reloadui? |
| 01:22.08 | Tierrie | fuck... no it doesn't stay anchored |
| 01:22.15 | Tierrie | WHY DO YOU TEASE ME SO EYES AND EARS? |
| 01:22.16 | Shirik | heh |
| 01:22.23 | Tierrie | brb stabbing |
| 01:23.18 | Shirik | so I found this new song "Space Jam", Alien Project vs Space Cat |
| 01:23.20 | Shirik | it's awesome |
| 01:23.50 | Tierrie | that sounds like funky stuff |
| 01:30.04 | fox689 | ok, I need a list of frames in the default WoW UI that can be moved. I'm trying to make sure all of the popup messages are centered on WorldFrame instead of ParentUI |
| 01:30.54 | Shirik | the answer to that is probably extract locale-enUS.mpq and look for them |
| 01:31.04 | fox689 | kk |
| 01:31.17 | fox689 | I'll go figure out how to do that... |
| 01:31.24 | Shirik | WinMPQ |
| 01:31.28 | Tierrie | fox: what are you trying to accomplish btw? |
| 01:31.50 | Shirik | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=3990 |
| 01:31.54 | fox689 | Making sure my update and alterations to CustomWorldFRame are right |
| 01:32.38 | Tierrie | check this out Shirik => http://wowi.pastey.net/7566 |
| 01:32.59 | Tierrie | 1-4 shows it as anchored, 5 does not |
| 01:33.18 | fox689 | CustomWorldFrame resizes the WorldFrame, but the old version only does that. popup messages stay centered on ParentUI and it drives me nuts |
| 01:35.42 | Shirik | er |
| 01:35.46 | Shirik | does that really say UIParent? |
| 01:36.03 | Tierrie | Shirik: no it doesn't, relativeTo returns nil |
| 01:36.20 | Shirik | you... should be doing relativeTo:GetName() |
| 01:36.29 | Shirik | because relativeTo is a table, not a variable name |
| 01:36.36 | Tierrie | no GetName() on nil |
| 01:36.48 | Shirik | so it does indeed give you an error when you try to do that? |
| 01:37.14 | Tierrie | yes |
| 01:38.19 | Shirik | what do point and relativePoint say? |
| 01:39.03 | Shirik | and what's relativeTo at 1-4? |
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| 01:39.33 | Tierrie | the parent's name -- CHUD_Anchor |
| 01:40.00 | Tierrie | and CHUD_Anchor is in the middle of the screen so x and y are fairly reasonable values, its anchorpoint and relativepoint is TOP |
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| 01:40.14 | Shirik | at all points 1-5? |
| 01:40.21 | Shirik | but at 5, relativeTo goes nil |
| 01:40.23 | Tierrie | but after moving the anchorpoint and relativepoint is TOPLEFT and the x and y values are calculated offset form the topleft of the screen |
| 01:41.25 | Tierrie | [1]-[4] relativeTo is CHUD_Anchor, anchorpoint and relativepoint is TOP, x and y values are offset from more or less the middle of the screen |
| 01:41.25 | Tierrie | at [5] relativeTo goes to nil, anchorpoint and relativepoint is TOPLEFT and x and y values are offset from the topleft of the screen |
| 01:42.25 | Tierrie | it would be nice to see how StartMoving() was written :P |
| 01:42.35 | Shirik | that's probably possible |
| 01:42.39 | Tierrie | it wasn't in Blizzard Interface Data (enUS) |
| 01:42.46 | Shirik | :( |
| 01:42.46 | cladhaire | its a C function. |
| 01:42.49 | Shirik | then it's probably a C function |
| 01:42.52 | Shirik | grr |
| 01:43.13 | Shirik | wow should become open source |
| 01:43.13 | Tierrie | i wonder how other people deal with this sort of anchoring issue |
| 01:43.27 | Tierrie | i could hack it and store the premove values |
| 01:43.28 | cladhaire | can you explain the issue to me? |
| 01:43.29 | Sstixrud | Silly noob question here: I am attempting to do local classTable = _G["UBVAR.DYNVARS.UBConfigSub2"..isClass.."."..SpellName] and then "if classTable then" but it is obviously not working for some reason :| |
| 01:43.33 | cladhaire | as i move computers around |
| 01:43.46 | Shirik | Sstixrud: what does "not working" mean |
| 01:44.03 | Sstixrud | "if classTable then" is always false, but it exists |
| 01:44.14 | cladhaire | well first rule of coding |
| 01:44.15 | Sstixrud | or at least the string I am attempting to create exists |
| 01:44.20 | cladhaire | don't compose things if you don't need to |
| 01:44.49 | cladhaire | so make that local key = "UBVAR.DYNVARS.UBConfigSub2"..isClass.."."..SpellName |
| 01:45.02 | cladhaire | local classTbl = _G[key] |
| 01:45.09 | cladhaire | then you can test to make sure that both key, and classTbl exist. |
| 01:45.14 | cladhaire | without having to muck about |
| 01:45.18 | Tierrie | cladhaire: http://wowi.pastey.net/7566 -- we have a Frame that is anchored to a parent, CHUD_Anchor. before StartMoving() GetPoint() is hunkydory, post StartMoving() GetPoint() returns values that are relative to nil (top left of the screen) |
| 01:45.22 | Shirik | and while you're at it, do a DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage(key) to make sure it's what you expect it to be |
| 01:45.34 | fox689 | yay, I think I found it :D |
| 01:45.49 | Shirik | Tierrie: In all honesty, that may be the way it works |
| 01:45.59 | Shirik | the only frames I move /are/ anchored to UIParent so it's a non-issue for me |
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| 01:46.35 | Shirik | if they were anchored to something (docked, etc.), then when they move, they become undocked intentionally |
| 01:46.39 | Tierrie | Shirik: i am beginning to think so too, so I might have to write some subroutine that stores the previous anchorpoints and then post StopMoving() transform the values to be relative to the anchor and then do some calculations |
| 01:47.09 | Tierrie | and then setpoint it back to its real parent |
| 01:47.25 | cladhaire | .. why not write a custom setpoint |
| 01:47.25 | cladhaire | its simple |
| 01:47.30 | cladhaire | err |
| 01:47.31 | cladhaire | a custom startmoving |
| 01:47.41 | cladhaire | startmoving by definition i believe re-anchors to uiparent |
| 01:47.45 | cladhaire | or something odd like that |
| 01:47.45 | Tierrie | thats probably what i meant |
| 01:48.44 | Sstixrud | cladhaire: same result :| |
| 01:48.44 | cladhaire | Tierrie: Write a custom StartMoving |
| 01:48.44 | cladhaire | its very easy =) |
| 01:48.44 | cladhaire | Sstixrud: Yes, but when you do that, you can print the key out, and then try to dump it and make sure it works. |
| 01:48.57 | cladhaire | whoa whoa whoa |
| 01:49.11 | Sstixrud | I attempted to print it out :) |
| 01:49.15 | cladhaire | Sstixrud: you can't lookup a table index value to _g |
| 01:49.15 | Sstixrud | its nul |
| 01:49.17 | Sstixrud | err nil |
| 01:49.27 | Sstixrud | oh :| |
| 01:49.28 | cladhaire | you can'g _G["SomeTable.Blah.x"] |
| 01:49.31 | cladhaire | and expect it to work |
| 01:49.38 | cladhaire | you need to _G["SomeTable"].Blah.x |
| 01:51.48 | Sstixrud | well my issue is I have 10 tables that begin with blah.bleh but I want to use an incoming arguement to select the table name to use like blah.bleharg1[SpellName] |
| 01:51.52 | Sstixrud | is there no way to do that? |
| 01:52.08 | cladhaire | yes, but its nasty =) |
| 01:52.10 | Shirik | there's always a way to do what you want |
| 01:52.15 | Shirik | but yeah... what clad said |
| 01:52.31 | cladhaire | local tbl = loadstring("return " .. "Blah.d.x.s.d")() |
| 01:52.33 | Shirik | I'm beginning to wonder if your table structure is more complicated than it needs to be |
| 01:52.51 | cladhaire | Shirik: I'm not _beginning_ to think that, I thought we all understood that ;-) |
| 01:52.54 | Shirik | >< |
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| 01:53.02 | Sstixrud | =) |
| 01:53.13 | Sstixrud | ya that is pretty ugly |
| 01:53.34 | Shirik | erm |
| 01:53.36 | Shirik | why not just |
| 01:53.43 | Shirik | oh |
| 01:53.49 | Shirik | you don't even know how deep you have to go, etc.? |
| 01:53.54 | Sstixrud | no I do |
| 01:54.12 | Shirik | otherwise you could do something like _G["SomeTable"]["foo"]["bar"][someKey]["baz"] |
| 01:54.24 | cladhaire | yep |
| 01:54.29 | cladhaire | there's lots of ways to do it |
| 01:54.40 | Sstixrud | for example its UBVAR.DYNVARS.UBConfigSub2Warrior[SpellName] and UBVAR.DYNVARS.UBConfigSub2Paladin[SPellName] |
| 01:54.40 | Shirik | I love lua tables |
| 01:54.42 | cladhaire | if you want to make the string, then loadstring("return " .. yourstring)() is the easiest way |
| 01:54.45 | cladhaire | but it makes a closure each time. |
| 01:54.56 | cladhaire | Sstixrud: Why not use db profiles |
| 01:55.02 | fox689 | *sigh* it didn't work. |
| 01:55.02 | cladhaire | instead of havign warrior and paladin configs together |
| 01:55.33 | Sstixrud | how do you mean? this is being used by UnitClass |
| 01:55.55 | cladhaire | Sstixrud: Okay, so its based on what, the targets class? |
| 01:56.01 | Sstixrud | i.e. if UnitClass("target") then do something special |
| 01:56.04 | cladhaire | i think we're all trying to grok how you're structured |
| 01:56.07 | cladhaire | okay, that makes more send |
| 01:56.52 | Sstixrud | I have a Config UI that lets the user select which classes a particular SpellName should be active for |
| 01:57.09 | Sstixrud | and I need to act on the user defined classes |
| 01:57.23 | cladhaire | yep |
| 01:58.13 | fox689 | attempt to index global 'StaticPopupTemplate' (a nil value) -- yet I can do whatever I want to the popups that it is the parent off... |
| 01:58.16 | fox689 | of* |
| 01:58.46 | Sstixrud | I could just create UBVARS.DYNVARS.WARRIOR but my OnClick functions are tied to the calling frame name }:> |
| 01:59.46 | fox689 | anyone have any suggestions? |
| 01:59.58 | Xuerian | fox689: wowi.pastey.net your code? |
| 02:03.03 | fox689 | http://wowi.pastey.net/7567-1k7d |
| 02:04.01 | fox689 | tell me if you want the whole thing. I posted the part that is giving me problems. |
| 02:04.40 | Xuerian | StaticPopupTemplate is a virtual frame iianm, like it says, a 'template' |
| 02:04.55 | Xuerian | They can't be manipulated, they're purely for inheritance, afaik |
| 02:05.07 | cladhaire | correct |
| 02:05.57 | fox689 | ok, so I'll just change all the children of it... I was just hoping I could change it and reduce the code |
| 02:13.35 | Sstixrud | cladhaire I am trying to figure out how to use loadstring to combine variables to create a new string, could you provide an example? |
| 02:13.52 | Shirik | loadstring() basically creates a function that you can call |
| 02:13.57 | cladhaire | yep |
| 02:14.03 | cladhaire | so you make a string that RETURNS your variable |
| 02:14.20 | cladhaire | i.e. local funcText = "return SomeTbl.somevar.dosomething" |
| 02:14.25 | cladhaire | local func = loadstring(funcText) |
| 02:14.31 | cladhaire | local value = func() |
| 02:15.20 | Sstixrud | i see thanks |
| 02:18.04 | cladhaire | its expensive speed and garbage-wise tho |
| 02:18.13 | cladhaire | but you could cache a limited amount of htem |
| 02:18.15 | cladhaire | and speed it up |
| 02:21.26 | Sstixrud | this is not run often, but I think I am going to create a table layed out specifically for this lookup |
| 02:22.26 | Sstixrud | the existing tables are for my CheckBox / config ui and it will be pretty easy to gen a function specific |
| 02:22.36 | Sstixrud | table |
| 02:38.59 | Garoun|Loupana | clad, how do I disable a layout in praid without deleting it? |
| 02:39.15 | cladhaire | move it to the edge of the screen =) |
| 02:39.20 | Garoun|Loupana | lol |
| 02:39.22 | cladhaire | i wonder |
| 02:39.28 | cladhaire | can you make it a column with 0 max units? |
| 02:39.30 | cladhaire | would that stop it?. |
| 02:39.34 | Garoun|Loupana | I'll try |
| 02:39.45 | Garoun|Loupana | well wow :P |
| 02:39.51 | Garoun|Loupana | duh hehe |
| 02:39.56 | cladhaire | i plan to get a disable in there |
| 02:39.59 | cladhaire | same for buffs |
| 02:40.06 | Garoun|Loupana | I'm sure that frame is still sitting out there some where, but no biggie :) |
| 02:40.11 | cladhaire | on the main menu, so yuou can select it and have a disable/enable button |
| 02:40.19 | cladhaire | oh its still out there |
| 02:40.26 | cladhaire | i dont know how the raid template handles hiding it in that case =) |
| 02:40.32 | cladhaire | use /dtframestack to se if its still visible |
| 02:40.34 | Garoun|Loupana | it's actually kinda neat now that I thin about it |
| 02:40.51 | Garoun|Loupana | could have just a warriors group sitting on your screen hehe |
| 02:40.57 | Garoun|Loupana | one sec, gotta enable it |
| 02:40.58 | cladhaire | yep i do |
| 02:41.10 | cladhaire | I have Tanks/Healers/DPS and then my group |
| 02:41.12 | cladhaire | more often than not. |
| 02:42.03 | Garoun|Loupana | I'd say just adda checkbox by each one you'd want active but button is probably easier |
| 02:43.13 | Garoun|Loupana | nice, unless those frames set to 0 are off in some memory space, there's no trace of them in the framestack |
| 02:43.28 | cladhaire | yeah they're hidden then =) |
| 02:44.07 | Garoun|Loupana | hmm I wonder, trying something :P |
| 02:46.21 | Tierrie | goddamn it, bongos set points to UIParent :( |
| 02:46.42 | Garoun|Loupana | was checking if I could use devtools to query a variable to see where it's hiding out there |
| 02:46.54 | cladhaire | it'd be in PerfectRaid.headers |
| 02:46.54 | cladhaire | i think |
| 02:47.02 | cladhaire | that's a list of all the headers |
| 02:47.51 | cladhaire | you could /script for k,v in pairs(PerfectRaid.headers) do ChatFrame1:AddMessage("Frame: " .. v:GetName() .. " Shown: " .. tostring(v:IsVisible())) end |
| 02:50.16 | Garoun|Loupana | hmm pairs is icking out anil for thetable |
| 02:50.27 | Garoun|Loupana | yay for broken spacebar |
| 02:50.30 | cladhaire | cause the table doesn't exist |
| 02:50.33 | cladhaire | i dunno what the table it |
| 02:50.34 | cladhaire | is |
| 02:50.37 | cladhaire | its something like that, heh |
| 02:50.39 | Garoun|Loupana | ah duh :P |
| 02:52.07 | Garoun|Loupana | I see what you do with your frames now |
| 02:52.31 | Garoun|Loupana | it's a PRHeader<custom setup counter> |
| 02:53.45 | cladhaire | yeah |
| 02:53.52 | cladhaire | they'realso in a table somewhere. |
| 02:54.55 | Garoun|Loupana | gotcha, I like the custom setup method, until/if there is a virtual setup option I'll have to hit AV to get it back to how I like it :) |
| 02:55.29 | cladhaire | well i'd like to get profiles in there |
| 02:55.35 | cladhaire | for both headers and buffs |
| 02:55.39 | cladhaire | so you can change to your "AV" header set |
| 02:56.24 | Garoun|Loupana | ah ok, that would work well for my old setup in CT, with 40-pve, 20pve, AV, AB |
| 02:56.37 | cladhaire | aye |
| 02:58.19 | fox689 | YAY! It works |
| 02:59.14 | fox689 | I just spent the last 2 hrs tracking down frames... but it's so worth it. Now I have a list, lol. |
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| 03:10.52 | Garoun|Loupana | thanks for the info Clad, time to work on Morass :) |
| 03:10.59 | cladhaire | ;-) |
| 03:11.00 | cladhaire | have fun |
| 03:12.26 | Garoun|Loupana | we're casual so we always have fun learning new stuff :) this'll give us our first 4 keyed people |
| 03:12.29 | Garoun|Loupana | for Kara |
| 03:12.36 | cladhaire | nice |
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| 03:44.26 | Kirkburn|afk | Hey all - I just did a biiig update to http://www.clearfont.co.uk/ .... should be up to date for ClearFont2 now :) |
| 03:48.04 | cladhaire | wah, wah |
| 03:48.10 | cladhaire | want to push off any more bandwidth to mee |
| 03:48.11 | cladhaire | ? |
| 03:48.13 | cladhaire | i have too much =) |
| 03:48.28 | Kirkburn|afk | lol |
| 03:49.05 | Kirkburn|afk | I don't have anything else needing hosting apart from that font pack |
| 03:49.38 | cladhaire | hrm okay |
| 03:49.38 | cladhaire | you can pay me in secks. |
| 03:49.38 | Kirkburn|afk | Yay! |
| 03:49.46 | Kirkburn|afk | waiiiiit |
| 03:49.47 | cladhaire | so i'm applying to Warwick now |
| 03:49.55 | cladhaire | I mean i always was |
| 03:50.01 | Kirkburn|afk | So did I |
| 03:50.06 | cladhaire | but its now Oxford, Warwick, Trinity and Kent |
| 03:50.08 | cladhaire | in that order |
| 03:50.17 | Kirkburn|afk | Sounds cool |
| 03:50.20 | Kirkburn|afk | Warwick is v nice |
| 03:50.34 | Kirkburn|afk | It was my third choice I think |
| 03:50.41 | cladhaire | what were your #1,#2? |
| 03:51.06 | Kirkburn|afk | Well originally Cambridge was #1, but ... er ... anyway ......... |
| 03:51.11 | Kirkburn|afk | Bristol, then Southhampton |
| 03:51.19 | cladhaire | I missed my chance at Cambridge =/ |
| 03:51.25 | Kirkburn|afk | *Southampton |
| 03:51.26 | cladhaire | i would have loved to go there while my bf was at Oxford |
| 03:51.33 | cladhaire | just to keep the rivalry going =) |
| 03:51.41 | Kirkburn|afk | hehe |
| 03:51.43 | cladhaire | and we'd make an uber pretentious pair |
| 03:51.50 | cladhaire | I've in good conversations with Oxford and Warwick |
| 03:51.54 | cladhaire | and I'm already in at Kent |
| 03:52.30 | Kirkburn|afk | I messed up one of my Cambridge interviews, and, tbh, I would have likely turned it down anyway as I wanted a more 'normal' Uni experience. One where I could laze about ;) |
| 03:52.42 | cladhaire | interviews |
| 03:52.45 | cladhaire | what are interviews, lol |
| 03:53.07 | Garoun|Loupana | I hate Temporus |
| 03:53.20 | cladhaire | Garoun|Loupana: Stack dodge, and heal through it =) |
| 03:53.23 | cladhaire | best advice i have |
| 03:53.23 | Kirkburn|afk | I had two :) One was a maths-based one (which went awesomely) and a physics-based one (which I forgot everything on) |
| 03:53.32 | cladhaire | Kirkburn|afk: Hehe.. |
| 03:53.33 | pastamancer | dispell temporus |
| 03:53.36 | cladhaire | Kirkburn|afk: I'm very anxious for all of this |
| 03:53.37 | Kirkburn|afk | So overall I did "meh" |
| 03:53.42 | Garoun|Loupana | we tried, it kept saying nothing to dispel |
| 03:53.42 | cladhaire | pastamancer: Oh yeah, i thought that was a given |
| 03:53.46 | cladhaire | its nearly impossible without =) |
| 03:53.47 | Garoun|Loupana | even when I knew his haste was up |
| 03:53.54 | pastamancer | cladhaire: you'd be surprised now many people don't |
| 03:54.02 | Kirkburn|afk | The Warwick, Bristol, etc, interviews were mostly just wanting to find out about me as a person |
| 03:54.07 | cladhaire | my druid's death count says I learned plenty =) |
| 03:54.17 | cladhaire | Kirkburn|afk: hehe, no one's mentioned interviews yet |
| 03:54.19 | pastamancer | s/now/how/ |
| 03:54.23 | haste | sometimes I wonder if I should use Otravi as a nick on IRC |
| 03:54.34 | cladhaire | its probably different at the PhD level, especially when applying from he states |
| 03:54.39 | cladhaire | haste: Why, no one talks to you anyway |
| 03:54.44 | Kirkburn|afk | cladhaire, wouldn't surprise me |
| 03:54.47 | haste | no one? :-( |
| 03:54.48 | Kirkburn|afk | Who's haste? |
| 03:55.05 | Kirkburn|afk | Who's crying? |
| 03:55.10 | cladhaire | its that otravi hoe. |
| 03:55.16 | Kirkburn|afk | Oh. Him. |
| 03:55.18 | cladhaire | haste: You should be oHaste |
| 03:55.21 | Garoun|Loupana | and dispel magic works on his haste? |
| 03:55.26 | haste | haha |
| 03:55.26 | cladhaire | then people would get the best of both worlds |
| 03:55.29 | Kirkburn|afk | lol, oHaste |
| 03:55.30 | cladhaire | Garoun|Loupana: yep, and purge |
| 03:55.38 | Garoun|Loupana | our priest and paly were spamming and kept saying nothing |
| 03:56.10 | cladhaire | its not up all the time |
| 03:56.14 | cladhaire | just when he's hasted =) |
| 03:56.21 | cladhaire | which both hyou and the healers will know. |
| 03:56.21 | Garoun|Loupana | yeah I told them to do it right when I saw the white sparks |
| 03:56.25 | Garoun|Loupana | it told them nothing to dispel |
| 03:56.35 | cladhaire | its there i promise =) |
| 03:57.04 | oKirkburn | Hmm, me likey |
| 03:57.11 | Garoun|Loupana | does pw:f help at all |
| 03:57.14 | oCladhaire | I'm irish.. and all skinned! |
| 03:57.20 | Garoun|Loupana | er |
| 03:57.21 | oHaste | haha |
| 03:57.21 | Garoun|Loupana | PW:S |
| 03:57.23 | oCladhaire | Garoun|Loupana: .. you should always have power word fortitude. |
| 03:57.26 | oCladhaire | hehe |
| 03:57.27 | oKirkburn | Skin me! Skin me! |
| 03:57.28 | Garoun|Loupana | mistype :P |
| 03:57.46 | oCladhaire | Yes, its a free 1k heal that isn't affected by the debuff. |
| 03:57.51 | oCladhaire | and shoudl be used as such |
| 03:58.05 | oCladhaire | he's tough |
| 03:58.05 | oKirkburn | Whose gonna break first |
| 03:58.08 | oCladhaire | just have to keep on it. |
| 03:58.13 | oKirkburn | *who's |
| 03:58.14 | oCladhaire | oKirkburn: you knwo me better than that |
| 03:58.46 | oKirkburn | We must spread the plagu- I mean joy! |
| 03:59.12 | oHaste | :3 |
| 03:59.15 | oCladhaire | Don't you mean the oPlague? |
| 03:59.28 | oCladhaire | so, are you going to hide from me in September when I move to the UK? |
| 03:59.28 | oKirkburn | Wait ... the oTravi? |
| 03:59.33 | oCladhaire | or can i buy you a beer? |
| 03:59.45 | Garoun|Loupana | awhat sucks is we go 100% perfect up until Temp |
| 03:59.56 | oCladhaire | my boyfriend thinks you hate him beacuse you were ignoring his questions about clearfont some time ago |
| 04:00.03 | oCladhaire | Garoun|Loupana: Temp is the issue on that one.. |
| 04:00.12 | oKirkburn | Sorry, what? I was just on the phone booking a flight to Outer Mongolia |
| 04:00.33 | oCladhaire | best bet is to bring him back towards Medivh, have someone drop a beacon on medivh to take care of the adds, adna ll focus on him |
| 04:00.34 | Shirik | any java programmers here? |
| 04:00.44 | Shirik | ... oCladhaire? |
| 04:00.46 | Shirik | what's the o? |
| 04:00.55 | oKirkburn | I nevah ignored him :( |
| 04:01.06 | oCladhaire | oKirkburn: I thought not.. |
| 04:01.07 | Shirik | ... did I miss something? |
| 04:01.11 | oHaste | It's the oPlague |
| 04:01.24 | oKirkburn | And the oPlague, of course. |
| 04:01.30 | Shirik | the oPlague... |
| 04:01.38 | oKirkburn | It's like Corrupted Blood |
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| 04:01.43 | oCladhaire | oKirkburn: So..can I buy you a beer? |
| 04:01.53 | oKirkburn | We'll spread it to every channel |
| 04:02.02 | oKirkburn | All the newbies shall be smited! |
| 04:02.19 | oCladhaire | i just /kick tekkub oTekkub beyatch |
| 04:02.21 | oCladhaire | but he wasn't here =/ |
| 04:02.37 | oHaste | aaw |
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| 04:02.58 | oKirkburn | Yeah, come to Bristol some time :) |
| 04:03.08 | oKirkburn | ^^ |
| 04:03.20 | sioraiocht | oCladhaire? |
| 04:03.24 | oCladhaire | schweet |
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| 04:03.44 | oKirkburn | rofl |
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| 04:03.55 | Shirik | ouch |
| 04:04.05 | oKirkburn | Yay! |
| 04:04.07 | oCladhaire | its okay.. he can throw something at me if he wants |
| 04:04.07 | oHaste | haha |
| 04:04.10 | Cairenn|afk | +o osioraiocht |
| 04:04.16 | oCladhaire | =) |
| 04:04.16 | oSioraiocht | ha |
| 04:04.25 | oSioraiocht | I am the op in the room of cladh's life |
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| 04:04.41 | oKirkburn | clad, there's lots to see around here - I live 5 mins from Clifton Suspension bridge, v famous |
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| 04:04.54 | Cairenn|afk | hehehehehe |
| 04:05.00 | oCladhaire | oKirkburn: you and oSioraiocht need to talk.. cause he'll be with me next year.. and you two can't be having your lover's spat all the time. |
| 04:05.03 | oKirkburn | Aww, I feel left out :( |
| 04:05.04 | Thrae | Hmmm....the Da Vinci Code (movie) is suppose to have subtitles for the non-English parts, right? |
| 04:05.06 | oHaste | such an evil scheme |
| 04:05.17 | Shirik | never seen the movie. Read the book. |
| 04:05.20 | Shirik | The book is always better. |
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| 04:05.34 | oCladhaire | lol |
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| 04:05.41 | oKirkburn | You bastard! |
| 04:05.44 | oCladhaire | Now.. that wasn't the "working things out" i expected =) |
| 04:05.53 | Thrae | Let me guess -- hungarian notation is afoot? |
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| 04:06.06 | Shirik | I feel so loved, everyone wants me to stay here <3 |
| 04:06.12 | oKirkburn | \o/ |
| 04:06.12 | oSioraiocht | If so...are we generic objects? |
| 04:06.24 | oSioraiocht | I won't be stereotyped by my variable name! |
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| 04:06.36 | oCladhaire | I'm bi-notation. |
| 04:06.41 | Thrae | The 'o' stands for 'operator', not 'object' ;) |
| 04:06.45 | oSioraiocht | oh |
| 04:06.59 | oCladhaire | ouch |
| 04:07.02 | oSioraiocht | he said it stood for object |
| 04:07.03 | oKirkburn | I thought it meant ... oorsome? |
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| 04:08.20 | oKirkburn | Back on topic (?!?), clad and whatsisname are welcome to visit Bristol :) |
| 04:08.29 | oCladhaire | Tom |
| 04:08.30 | oCladhaire | =) |
| 04:08.35 | oCladhaire | and hotness :P |
| 04:08.40 | oCladhaire | how far into your studies are you? |
| 04:08.43 | oSioraiocht | we'll ahve to do that |
| 04:08.47 | oKirkburn | uh, I'll, take your word for that |
| 04:08.57 | oKirkburn | 3/4 years |
| 04:08.57 | oCladhaire | oh, i meant getting to come see you would be hot. |
| 04:08.59 | oCladhaire | dirty boy |
| 04:09.06 | oKirkburn | Moi!? |
| 04:09.10 | oSioraiocht | 4 years? what degree are you getting? |
| 04:09.18 | oKirkburn | A long one :P |
| 04:09.21 | oCladhaire | hehe |
| 04:09.27 | oKirkburn | It's actually 5, technically |
| 04:09.30 | oCladhaire | wow |
| 04:09.33 | oSioraiocht | are you getting an MSc? |
| 04:09.37 | oSioraiocht | an MEng? |
| 04:09.47 | oKirkburn | My last 3rd year ... doesn't exist |
| 04:10.01 | oSioraiocht | aha |
| 04:10.07 | oKirkburn | MEng, yeah |
| 04:10.14 | oSioraiocht | in CS? |
| 04:10.15 | oKirkburn | No, I didn't fail exactly ;) |
| 04:10.27 | oKirkburn | Civil Engineering |
| 04:10.29 | oSioraiocht | I only know how undergrad works in the Oxbridge system in the UK |
| 04:10.51 | oKirkburn | I prefer to think I chose to do the year again, a long way away from Italy |
| 04:10.58 | oSioraiocht | lol |
| 04:11.14 | oKirkburn | Oh it's not much different to Oxbridge |
| 04:11.47 | oSioraiocht | exams at the first and third year? |
| 04:11.51 | Thrae | oKirkburn: Maybe you can help translate this Italian in the Da Vinci Code, because I have no subtitles in this download ;) |
| 04:11.58 | oKirkburn | If I'd chosen Architecture it would be a 7 year course :( |
| 04:12.03 | oSioraiocht | bummer dude |
| 04:12.04 | oCladhaire | yikes |
| 04:12.14 | oSioraiocht | oh right! |
| 04:12.17 | oKirkburn | nah, we have exams every year |
| 04:12.21 | oSioraiocht | I was talking to a girl from Wales that said that! |
| 04:12.26 | oSioraiocht | Arch degrees in the UK are forever |
| 04:12.33 | oSioraiocht | a BArch in the US is usually five years |
| 04:12.36 | oKirkburn | One of my housemates is Welsh |
| 04:12.51 | oKirkburn | zomg, they must know each other! ;) |
| 04:12.58 | oSioraiocht | ha |
| 04:12.58 | oCladhaire | haha |
| 04:13.32 | oSioraiocht | how Welsh is he? like, "I speak Welsh everyday when I'm home, and my home life involved sheep"? |
| 04:14.08 | oSioraiocht | I mean, minus the sheep |
| 04:14.12 | oCladhaire | damn.. we're watching bring it on.. and.. it was totally just boughten. |
| 04:14.13 | oKirkburn | :) |
| 04:14.28 | oKirkburn | Thrae, I can try! |
| 04:14.40 | oSioraiocht | although it's an unavoidable fact that sheep figure large into the welsh economy |
| 04:14.43 | oKirkburn | He speaks some Welsh, but not as a first language |
| 04:14.52 | oKirkburn | Definately into /being/ welsh though |
| 04:14.58 | oSioraiocht | heh |
| 04:15.19 | oSioraiocht | I'm reading the Mabinogion right now |
| 04:15.30 | oKirkburn | Wassat? |
| 04:15.31 | oSioraiocht | (speaking of being Welsh) |
| 04:15.46 | oSioraiocht | oh, some collection of famous stories in medieval Welsh |
| 04:15.57 | oSioraiocht | I'm reading the translation |
| 04:16.24 | oKirkburn | And I thought you were reading the welsh original ... |
| 04:16.27 | oSioraiocht | ha |
| 04:16.30 | oKirkburn | You disappoint me! |
| 04:16.32 | oSioraiocht | sorry |
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| 04:16.36 | oSioraiocht | only things I know in welsh are.... |
| 04:16.38 | oSioraiocht | Cymru |
| 04:16.44 | oSioraiocht | and uhhhh.... |
| 04:16.46 | oSioraiocht | well actually that's it |
| 04:16.57 | Xenok | lol |
| 04:17.11 | oKirkburn | I likely know less welsh than you tbh :) |
| 04:17.23 | oSioraiocht | sadly, it has almost nothing to do with irish |
| 04:17.27 | oKirkburn | I hail from the other side of London |
| 04:17.45 | oSioraiocht | where? |
| 04:17.55 | oKirkburn | London, it's that big place in the SE of England. |
| 04:17.58 | Xenok | hey.. . why does WoW say "SetText" is nil value? |
| 04:18.07 | oKirkburn | Quite popular, so I hear |
| 04:18.16 | oSioraiocht | oh, I thought you meant a city on the other side of london relative to Bristol |
| 04:18.19 | wobin | Xenok: Possibly because you're calling it on the wrong object |
| 04:18.19 | oSioraiocht | smartmass =p |
| 04:18.22 | oKirkburn | heehee |
| 04:18.24 | Xenok | hmm |
| 04:18.38 | Xenok | good point |
| 04:18.40 | oKirkburn | My home town - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sawbridgeworth |
| 04:19.02 | oSioraiocht | I <3 London. Hopefully I'll get a stipend and become less fixated on the exchange rate |
| 04:19.13 | oSioraiocht | which is a near daily obsession for me right now |
| 04:19.20 | oKirkburn | :/ |
| 04:19.35 | oKirkburn | It's about $2 = £1 atm, no? |
| 04:19.36 | oSioraiocht | £1 = $1.95 right now |
| 04:19.38 | Shirik | My hometown... it sucks: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Framingham |
| 04:19.51 | oKirkburn | Ooh, it's gone under double finally?! |
| 04:20.17 | oSioraiocht | I don't think it ever went over except and bureaux de change |
| 04:20.22 | oSioraiocht | s/and/at |
| 04:20.37 | oKirkburn | My town's cooler! The name is longer. QED. |
| 04:20.58 | Shirik | My current town's cooler. It's got the #1 anticipated annual NASCAR race! |
| 04:21.00 | Shirik | QED. |
| 04:21.13 | oKirkburn | That's an odd name for a NASCAR race ... |
| 04:21.20 | Shirik | .. |
| 04:21.22 | oKirkburn | . |
| 04:21.24 | Shirik | I don't live in Framingham anymore |
| 04:21.26 | oSioraiocht | My town >> all of your towns |
| 04:21.37 | oSioraiocht | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newport_Beach |
| 04:21.39 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daytona_Beach |
| 04:21.41 | wobin | bah |
| 04:21.45 | wobin | You should come to Sydney =) |
| 04:21.51 | oKirkburn | Are we ... have we started playing My Town Top Trumps? |
| 04:21.51 | Shirik | Daytona > Newport |
| 04:21.53 | Garoun|Loupana | Temp down! :) |
| 04:22.06 | oKirkburn | I have more points in Celebrity than you! |
| 04:22.07 | Garoun|Loupana | med still at 46% hehe |
| 04:22.26 | oKirkburn | "Recent notable inhabitants include Victoria and David Beckham." |
| 04:22.34 | wobin | That's ... a plus? |
| 04:22.45 | oKirkburn | Uh. |
| 04:22.47 | Shirik | "Daytona Beach is well-known for its beaches. It is one of the few places in the world where a family car can be driven on an ocean beach. Most other driving beaches require 4 wheel drive or other special equipment." |
| 04:22.48 | wobin | What was Victoria's maiden name? |
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| 04:23.05 | oKirkburn | :P |
| 04:23.08 | oKirkburn | Yay! |
| 04:23.12 | oKirkburn | Now I can answer |
| 04:23.21 | oKirkburn | Adams |
| 04:23.27 | oWobin | It was a question in a pub quiz I did back in Beijing =) |
| 04:23.29 | oWobin | aha |
| 04:23.33 | oWobin | I think we got that right =P |
| 04:24.04 | oKirkburn | Congrats |
| 04:24.19 | oWobin | If only our group knew more world cup trivia |
| 04:24.24 | oWobin | we could have won outright =P |
| 04:24.26 | oSioraiocht | "Follow me...or perish, sweater monkeys..." |
| 04:24.38 | oWobin | TV says, Doughnuts are high in fat. |
| 04:25.18 | oSioraiocht | orly? |
| 04:25.24 | oWobin | Found a hobo in my room |
| 04:25.37 | oWobin | It's princess Leia, the circle of life, give me back my sweater or I'll play the guitar. |
| 04:25.37 | oCladhaire | we have 11 celebrity points |
| 04:25.39 | oCladhaire | do we win? |
| 04:26.08 | oCladhaire | 16 if you count those in the metropolitan area =) |
| 04:26.15 | oWobin | http://www.eviltrailmix.com/animutation/hyakugo.swf |
| 04:26.28 | oKirkburn | The Beckhams are so totally worth 20 on their own! |
| 04:26.38 | oKirkburn | oWobin ... so, about this hobo ... |
| 04:27.03 | oCladhaire | I was a hoboonce. |
| 04:27.06 | oCladhaire | hobo, once. |
| 04:27.15 | oCladhaire | but then someone gave me boots, and I was motivated to find a job |
| 04:27.15 | oKirkburn | hobo hobo, twice. |
| 04:27.21 | oCladhaire | my shiny boots got me hired. |
| 04:27.22 | oCladhaire | lol |
| 04:27.25 | Xenok | lol |
| 04:27.27 | oCladhaire | my roommate calls me a homo homo |
| 04:27.32 | oCladhaire | cause i'm not exactly your typical homosexual. |
| 04:27.37 | Xenok | O_o |
| 04:27.37 | oCladhaire | the first homo almost negates the second |
| 04:27.45 | Xenok | so your a straight homo? |
| 04:27.48 | oKirkburn | Full circle? |
| 04:27.50 | oCladhaire | even tho its not a boolean word |
| 04:27.54 | oCladhaire | Xenok: actually yes |
| 04:27.55 | oCladhaire | and it makes sernse |
| 04:27.57 | Xenok | lol |
| 04:28.03 | oCladhaire | there are straight homos and gay homos |
| 04:28.07 | Xenok | im lost |
| 04:28.08 | oCladhaire | since sexuality is a spectrum, not a switch |
| 04:28.16 | oCladhaire | okay, there's a line |
| 04:28.24 | Xenok | im still confused lol |
| 04:28.25 | oCladhaire | when you desire or have sex with someone of the same sex, you're no longer straight. |
| 04:28.32 | oSioraiocht | totally gay |--------------------| totally straight |
| 04:28.38 | oSioraiocht | most people fall somewhere inbetween |
| 04:28.45 | Xenok | ahhh |
| 04:28.46 | oWobin | gogo kinsey |
| 04:28.48 | oCladhaire | you end up somewhere on the spectrum between "straight gay" and "gay gay" |
| 04:28.59 | oCladhaire | oWobin: Mine is a subset of Kinsey, much more strict |
| 04:29.00 | Xenok | like you get the small urge to see someone of the same sex? |
| 04:29.22 | oCladhaire | Xenok: Exactly, like maybe you don't want to drop to your knees for them, but you're interested in some odd manner |
| 04:29.28 | oCladhaire | that wouldn't flip your "non-straight" switch |
| 04:29.34 | oWobin | So you could also label it straight straight and gay-straight? |
| 04:29.35 | Xenok | I see! |
| 04:29.42 | oCladhaire | where that switch flips is more difficult. |
| 04:29.57 | oCladhaire | oWobin: Technically the full spectrum is straight straight through gay gay |
| 04:30.10 | oCladhaire | but gay straights aren't an interesting case study |
| 04:30.29 | oCladhaire | its much more interesting to remove their "straight" card at some point, which isn't clearly defined at the moment. |
| 04:30.37 | Thrae | This is the first time I saw anyone use kinsey. A very weird webcomic -- http://www.unicornjelly.com/ |
| 04:31.10 | oKirkburn | And the dead middle would be bi I guess |
| 04:31.11 | Thrae | Written by a girl that likes shonen-ai ;) |
| 04:31.12 | Cairenn|afk | I'm straight, but I can and do find some women extremely attractive (personality as much as physical appearance) and might consider sleeping with them |
| 04:31.48 | oWobin | well straight-straight and gay-gay is fairly much a rareish standpoint |
| 04:31.48 | oCladhaire | oKirkburn: bisexuality is a spectrum itself, biased towards the "gay" side |
| 04:31.53 | oCladhaire | based on social conventions. |
| 04:32.05 | oCladhaire | since you can't be gay-straight and still be bisexual |
| 04:32.06 | Cairenn|afk | flip side, there are gay people that find someone of the opposite sex attractive ... etc |
| 04:32.13 | oCladhaire | you have to cross the line to be bisexual |
| 04:32.16 | oWobin | It'd be difficult for most people to honestly say that they don't find an aspect of the same sex attractive |
| 04:32.21 | oCladhaire | but thats the point.. its all rather meaningless =) |
| 04:32.22 | oKirkburn | I saw an interesting statistic earlier - something around about 2% of women consider themselves gay, and 4% bi, whereas it was the opposite for guys |
| 04:32.37 | Garoun|Loupana | WOOOOOOOT |
| 04:32.43 | oSioraiocht | I disagree with cladh about that part of bisexual btw |
| 04:32.43 | oCladhaire | oSioraiocht: ... we're actually having a conversation.. no need to get bitchy |
| 04:32.43 | oSioraiocht | =p |
| 04:32.47 | oCladhaire | ... |
| 04:32.50 | oCladhaire | why? |
| 04:32.55 | oCladhaire | i'm just looking at it from the minority perspective. |
| 04:33.09 | oCladhaire | because i'm part of the minority, my goal is to remove peopel from the majority |
| 04:33.15 | oCladhaire | so i take away their straight cards |
| 04:33.24 | Cairenn|afk | I'm all for the "it isn't the genitalia but the person that matters" pov |
| 04:33.28 | oWobin | honestly, I think the labelling is a bit... outdated. We need new definitions =P |
| 04:33.28 | Garoun|Loupana | Time to get Kara keyed :) |
| 04:33.43 | oCladhaire | Cairenn|afk: I've said that so many times. |
| 04:33.48 | Cairenn|afk | I think labels themselves just suck and shouldn't be used at all |
| 04:34.01 | oCladhaire | I don't love someone's genitals, I love who they are |
| 04:34.02 | Thrae | I once had this discussion with a friend of mine (ok, my mother). I believe that our basic attraction does not differentiate between the sexes. |
| 04:34.11 | oCladhaire | Thrae: it doesn't |
| 04:34.14 | oWobin | well the problem with the current labels is that they're not precise enough anymore, or used for more than one definition |
| 04:34.17 | Garoun|Loupana | 4 keyed members |
| 04:34.20 | oCladhaire | i can't tell you how many 100% absolutely straight guys have checked me out |
| 04:34.23 | oCladhaire | Garoun|Loupana: hot man, grats =) |
| 04:34.41 | oSioraiocht | and lots of people will have sexual epxeriences with both sexes |
| 04:34.45 | oKirkburn | Ah, twas fun when I had a gay guy with a crush on me |
| 04:34.54 | Xenok | wtf?: '<eof>' expected near 'end' |
| 04:34.55 | oWobin | You let him down gently, Kirk? =) |
| 04:34.56 | Thrae | This makes sense when you consider that both men and women produce the same hormones, just in different levels, and probably give off similiar pheremones. |
| 04:35.04 | oCladhaire | Xenok: It means you have an extra end in the block |
| 04:35.08 | Xenok | oh |
| 04:35.11 | oWobin | Xenok: You're either missing an 'end' or you have something extra |
| 04:35.11 | Xenok | I see |
| 04:35.12 | Shirik | Xenok: That means you have too many ends usually |
| 04:35.13 | oCladhaire | Xenok: It was expecting the file to end, or dto have another instruction, not an end. |
| 04:35.23 | Xenok | ok thanks guys |
| 04:35.27 | oKirkburn | I found out about it from the rest of the damn school! |
| 04:35.44 | oSioraiocht | Well, when you're gay and have a crush on straight guy |
| 04:35.50 | oSioraiocht | you usually don't go up and tell said straight guy =p |
| 04:35.54 | oCladhaire | oKirkburn: The _problem_ is, when gay peopel somehow think they can push someone to one side of the spectrum, and when either extreme decides that the other extreme is somehow "bad" |
| 04:35.57 | Thrae | Little known fact -- we are all biologically female before gender is properly determined in the womb. We have crude female genitalia and the pre-cursor to ovaries. |
| 04:36.06 | oCladhaire | Thrae: I still have mine |
| 04:36.06 | oCladhaire | i mean,. |
| 04:36.08 | oCladhaire | umm |
| 04:36.09 | oKirkburn | He fortunately didn't pursue it, but it surprised me some other people's reactions |
| 04:36.17 | Shirik | Thrae: You trying to say I had a sex change? |
| 04:36.24 | Xenok | so do "end"s go under "else"s? lol |
| 04:36.26 | oSioraiocht | orly? |
| 04:36.32 | oCladhaire | Xenok: yes they do |
| 04:36.32 | oKirkburn | I didn't mind it at all, but others were thinking I should in some way be 'affected' by the idea |
| 04:36.33 | oWobin | Xenok: yeah, after 'then' |
| 04:36.35 | Xenok | ok hmm |
| 04:36.42 | oCladhaire | Pursuing it would have been nothing more than telling you that he liked you and were interestsed.. and you could have politely declined |
| 04:36.49 | oKirkburn | I just took it as a complement |
| 04:36.56 | oWobin | Xenok: Try getting an editor that can do syntax highlighting, it'll make spotting the missing 'end's and such easier to see |
| 04:37.05 | Thrae | When gender is determined to be male, the ovaries drop and become testes, and the penile region elongates into a penis. In women, they get full ovaries, a womb, and keep the current genitalia. |
| 04:37.05 | oCladhaire | the fact that a gay person expressing affection is so much more difficult than the _emotional_ difficulties of doing teh same, due to _socsial_ issues is whats bs |
| 04:37.07 | oSioraiocht | well, to be fair oCladhaire, some guys, gay or straight, don't take no for an answer =p |
| 04:37.10 | oKirkburn | oWobin, no need to rub so much! Take it slow ... |
| 04:37.16 | oWobin | hehe =) |
| 04:37.26 | oCladhaire | oSioraiocht: True.. but that's not a gay problem, that's a people problem. |
| 04:37.31 | oCladhaire | and that's the point.. right there =) |
| 04:37.37 | oWobin | Well, you know what they say... "If you smoke after sex, you're not using enough lube" |
| 04:37.37 | oCladhaire | Consider the following |
| 04:37.48 | oCladhaire | someone who is gay, and wants nothing to do with the opposite sex |
| 04:37.50 | oKirkburn | oWobin, rofl |
| 04:38.12 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+o oWobin] by Cairenn|afk |
| 04:38.19 | oCladhaire | has to not only find someone in the 10% of the population who they would be interested in, but also find someone who would potentially be interested in them, and THEN get over the emotional difficulties the average person has when approaching someone else romantically |
| 04:38.31 | oWobin | ^^ |
| 04:38.47 | Thrae | My theory is that homophobes have sexual confusion, where they try and deny their completely natural attraction to both sexes. |
| 04:38.59 | oCladhaire | Thrae: To the same sex |
| 04:39.05 | oWobin | (oh I so misread that as homophones...) |
| 04:39.17 | oCladhaire | statistically, homophobes aren't attracted to the opposite sex in the same way they are to the same sex |
| 04:39.19 | oCladhaire | i.e. not sexually |
| 04:39.30 | oKirkburn | I was one of those nerds who gets the chants like "you're so gay" at school (much fun, of course), but in a way it's opened my mind much more, because I actually thought about it and considered what it actually means. |
| 04:39.30 | oSioraiocht | oWobin: damn those words sounding the same! I hate in and inn, SO CONFUSING |
| 04:39.34 | oCladhaire | its one of the most bizarre psychological cases. |
| 04:39.46 | oCladhaire | WB Cairenn |
| 04:39.57 | Thrae | oCladhaire: It is my opinion that is mental, not chemical. |
| 04:40.09 | oWobin | Social upbringing? |
| 04:40.32 | Thrae | Nature vs nurture -- it's about the blend of the two. |
| 04:40.39 | oWobin | oKirkburn: What they really meant was that "You're so FAAAAABULOUS" =) |
| 04:40.47 | oKirkburn | oWobin, well of course! |
| 04:40.51 | *** kick/#wowi-lounge [Thrae!n=jnwhiteh@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Dongle/cladhaire] by oCladhaire (If you want to communicate, please come back with an o.. thanks.) |
| 04:40.57 | oWobin | rofl |
| 04:40.59 | Xenok | hmm ... . .. . somthing is wrong with http://wowi.pastey.net/7570 |
| 04:41.05 | oCladhaire | see, Xenok is asking for help |
| 04:41.09 | oCladhaire | because he doesn't have an o =) |
| 04:41.09 | Xenok | lol |
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| 04:41.24 | oHaste | :-P |
| 04:41.25 | oCladhaire | Xenok: The second "else" is bad |
| 04:41.25 | oWobin | need more ifs =) |
| 04:41.25 | oThrae | Weirdos. |
| 04:41.26 | oKirkburn | woot |
| 04:41.30 | Xenok | hmm |
| 04:41.31 | oCladhaire | err |
| 04:41.32 | oCladhaire | no its not. |
| 04:41.33 | oWobin | elseif =) |
| 04:41.38 | oWobin | oh wait |
| 04:41.41 | Xenok | lol |
| 04:41.43 | Cairenn | lol |
| 04:41.45 | oCladhaire | Xenok: you have one too manhy elses. |
| 04:41.50 | oWobin | two too many ends |
| 04:41.57 | oCladhaire | oh jesus |
| 04:42.00 | Xenok | lol |
| 04:42.00 | *** kick/#wowi-lounge [oCladhaire!n=jnwhiteh@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Dongle/cladhaire] by oCladhaire (i hate yo9u) |
| 04:42.00 | oWobin | hehe |
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| 04:42.05 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+o oCladhaire] by ChanServ |
| 04:42.06 | oCladhaire | sorry |
| 04:42.06 | Xenok | this is funny |
| 04:42.08 | oCladhaire | was being stupid |
| 04:42.09 | oKirkburn | I had to give one of my housemates (not the welsh one) a good 'talking to' earlier about his language earlier. He really needs to meet more gay people. |
| 04:42.15 | oWobin | aye, two too many 'ends' I think |
| 04:42.21 | oSioraiocht | I'll meet him! |
| 04:42.26 | oThrae | Xenok: Try gvim...takes a little getting used to, but has the best syntax highlighting I've found. |
| 04:42.30 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+o oThrae] by Cairenn |
| 04:42.33 | oKirkburn | That should be fun :) |
| 04:42.39 | Xenok | hmmmmmm |
| 04:42.55 | oCladhaire | oKirkburn: You'd be suprised. |
| 04:43.05 | oCladhaire | I'm not a rainbow flag waving pride police queen |
| 04:43.05 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+o oHaste] by Cairenn |
| 04:43.12 | oHaste | vim is a awesome editor :) |
| 04:43.14 | oCladhaire | I simple live my life, and do what I can to make peopel understand that I'm a person too. |
| 04:43.17 | oThrae | Xenok: With gvim, it'll be very apparent if your if...else, function...end, etc. isn't closed properly. |
| 04:43.18 | oCladhaire | s/ple/ply/ |
| 04:43.32 | Xenok | is shirik afk? |
| 04:43.38 | oThrae | Xenok: Since the syntax highlighter will just stop parsing |
| 04:43.41 | Shirik | I'm just not paying attention trying to work on stuff |
| 04:43.42 | oCladhaire | Shirik: PING =) |
| 04:43.42 | oKirkburn | Indeed, it shouldn't be important |
| 04:43.46 | oWobin | http://wowi.pastey.net/7571 |
| 04:43.55 | oWobin | Xenok try that |
| 04:43.57 | oCladhaire | proper indentation helps too =) |
| 04:44.06 | oHaste | Xenok: Download gvim, and run the vimtutor - you'll love it - trust me :) |
| 04:44.09 | Shirik | all you have to do is say my name and I'll come flying out of nowhere! |
| 04:44.10 | oThrae | Yeah, gvim comes with auto-indent. |
| 04:44.13 | Xenok | shirik.. what was the mirc thing that you linked last night? |
| 04:44.14 | Shirik | I love the little popups from nbsirc :) |
| 04:44.19 | Xenok | that one lo |
| 04:44.36 | oCladhaire | oHaste: you're a vim-dealer. |
| 04:44.39 | oThrae | Tomorrow is my Xorgy. |
| 04:44.42 | oWobin | he's a vimenabler =) |
| 04:44.50 | oThrae | I WILL get DRI working on my tri-head setup! |
| 04:44.51 | Shirik | their site seems down right now but it's http://www.nbs-irc.net |
| 04:44.57 | Xenok | ah darn |
| 04:45.04 | Xenok | ty for link |
| 04:45.05 | Shirik | but |
| 04:45.06 | Shirik | http://web.comhem.se/~u22233033/n/files/nbs-irc_221_full.exe |
| 04:45.09 | Shirik | can download it there |
| 04:45.09 | oHaste | oCladhaire: I used SciTE for years, then I ran vimtutor once... and I was blown away :) |
| 04:45.13 | Xenok | oo ok |
| 04:45.19 | oCladhaire | oHaste: vim is great,don't get me wrong =) |
| 04:45.23 | oCladhaire | i loves me some vim |
| 04:45.26 | oSioraiocht | emacs > vim |
| 04:45.26 | Shirik | install it on top of mirc xenok |
| 04:45.37 | Xenok | ok |
| 04:45.38 | oCladhaire | i currently dev on aquamacs on os x, i ahve it set up exactly as i like |
| 04:45.38 | oThrae | oCladhaire: SCiTE can't compare to gvim's syntax highlighting. |
| 04:45.48 | oCladhaire | use vim for system stuff. |
| 04:45.55 | oCladhaire | and scite on my win box at work |
| 04:45.58 | Shirik | I wish SciTE had updated info for WoW :( |
| 04:46.01 | Xenok | oWobin: . trying that code you sent me now |
| 04:46.11 | oCladhaire | Shirik: get me an API file and i'll re-submit it =) |
| 04:46.16 | oCladhaire | I just haven't had a chance =/ |
| 04:46.42 | Shirik | one thing at a time >< must work on wowiupdater |
| 04:46.51 | oThrae | oCladhaire: I'd bug you about PerfectRaid, but I haven't been playing WoW recently... |
| 04:47.01 | oCladhaire | oThrae: hehe |
| 04:47.12 | oCladhaire | Anyone here that like to work on the more artsy side of things? |
| 04:47.14 | oThrae | I'm thinking of trying a Ragnarok Online free server. |
| 04:47.19 | oCladhaire | i'm looking for help working on the small visual details of perfectraid |
| 04:47.27 | oCladhaire | it needs a bit of flair |
| 04:47.37 | oCladhaire | the touches that my logic-sided brain can't just imagine. |
| 04:48.28 | oCladhaire | in the next part of my research proposal I get to bash python =) |
| 04:48.33 | Xenok | SetUnit be nil? |
| 04:49.28 | oCladhaire | hrm? |
| 04:49.37 | Xenok | in http://wowi.pastey.net/7571 |
| 04:49.49 | oCladhaire | well, thats your code =) |
| 04:49.52 | Xenok | line uh.. forget just a sec |
| 04:50.01 | oCladhaire | whats this code supposed to be doing? |
| 04:50.10 | oCladhaire | I suspect you mean this:SetText(UnitName("target")) |
| 04:50.13 | oCladhaire | based upon the context |
| 04:50.20 | Xenok | prolly |
| 04:50.35 | oCladhaire | also, you shouldn't be using this =) |
| 04:50.38 | oCladhaire | its deprecated. |
| 04:50.51 | Xenok | hrm? |
| 04:51.03 | oCladhaire | Is this in an XML <OnLoad> block? |
| 04:51.15 | Xenok | yes |
| 04:51.21 | oCladhaire | change it to call Name_OnLoad(self), then alter your definition to take in a first argument named "frame" |
| 04:51.27 | oCladhaire | and change "this" to "frame" |
| 04:51.42 | Xenok | hmm |
| 04:51.48 | oCladhaire | basically, in the old way, this was a magical global variable that got set, and slouken is getting rid of it in a later version. Instead, he passes the frame to your handler as an argument |
| 04:51.50 | oCladhaire | called "self" |
| 04:52.05 | oCladhaire | it'll end up being faster, and won't break when the code changes |
| 04:52.16 | oCladhaire | "faster" being a reasonably meaningless term in this case =) |
| 04:52.20 | Xenok | lol |
| 04:52.33 | Shirik | wait, "this" is disappearing? |
| 04:52.39 | oCladhaire | Shirik: Eventually, yes. |
| 04:52.42 | oCladhaire | along with arg1, arg2, and event |
| 04:52.47 | Shirik | dododo guess I have som... wah! |
| 04:52.49 | oCladhaire | i mean all the args, clearly |
| 04:53.11 | Shirik | hmm glad we got rid of a lot of our xml as of late |
| 04:53.15 | oCladhaire | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=64187212&sid=1 |
| 04:53.16 | Xenok | so I change the lua or xml to say Name_Onload(self)? |
| 04:53.16 | oCladhaire | post 7 |
| 04:53.18 | Shirik | gonna have some more touching up to do though :/ |
| 04:53.26 | Xenok | im slow lol |
| 04:53.33 | oCladhaire | Xenok: In your .xml file, where you have <OnLoad>, it probably reads Name_OnLoad(self) |
| 04:53.38 | oCladhaire | err Name_Onload() |
| 04:53.43 | oCladhaire | change that to Name_OnLoad(self) |
| 04:53.45 | Xenok | ok |
| 04:53.47 | oCladhaire | with whatever case you have |
| 04:53.53 | oCladhaire | then, in the lua code that was pastied. |
| 04:54.03 | oCladhaire | change it to function Name_OnLoad(frame) |
| 04:54.12 | oCladhaire | then change all of the "this" refrences, to "frame" |
| 04:54.21 | Xenok | k |
| 04:54.32 | oCladhaire | do you understand why you're doing it? =) |
| 04:54.42 | Xenok | no clue :P |
| 04:54.42 | oKirkburn | oWobin, um, when are you going to remove your hand from my thigh? |
| 04:54.51 | oCladhaire | oKirkburn: that's not his hand. |
| 04:55.08 | oCladhaire | Xenok: I can explain if you'd like, it would be a good concept to understand =) |
| 04:55.16 | Xenok | good idea then |
| 04:55.51 | oKirkburn | oWobin, my, what a large ........... *oKirkburn mumbles something incoherent* ... you have! |
| 04:56.01 | Xenok | O_O |
| 04:56.19 | oCladhaire | so basically, in the XML file, when you have <OnLoad>, the text within that is compiled to a C function, which gets called when the graphical widget is loaded. Instead of these functions using the global variable "this" to refer to the current frame, slouken now passes the frame object as the fihrst argument, called "self". |
| 04:56.51 | oCladhaire | The reason your code worked, is because "this" is still valid, so when your function gets called, the "this" varaible is set right. What you do instead, is pass the "self" variable you get into your function, and call it "frame". |
| 04:57.04 | oCladhaire | This way, if someone messes with the global "this" variable, your function will still work |
| 04:57.23 | oCladhaire | think of it as you getting your own private reference to the frame |
| 04:57.31 | Xenok | hehe |
| 04:57.42 | Xenok | buuuuuut... it still had the same error O_O |
| 04:57.49 | oCladhaire | okay |
| 04:57.56 | oCladhaire | thats a different issue which i addressed earlier |
| 04:57.58 | oCladhaire | whats this bit of code do here? |
| 04:58.06 | oCladhaire | whats the context? |
| 04:58.11 | Xenok | just a sec |
| 04:58.13 | oCladhaire | k k |
| 04:58.54 | Xenok | supposed to help show the target name :P but I must not be doing it very well |
| 04:59.00 | Xenok | updateing the frame anywya |
| 04:59.09 | oCladhaire | okay |
| 04:59.20 | oCladhaire | so what is "this".. what frame is this being called for? |
| 04:59.45 | oCladhaire | cause a FontString can't have an OnLoad handler |
| 04:59.55 | Xenok | BookmarksFrame |
| 05:00.01 | Xenok | is the name of the frame |
| 05:00.19 | oCladhaire | Okay, and is it a button, or do you have a fontstring you're trying to set the text of? |
| 05:00.20 | oKirkburn | oWobin, stop with the weird sound effects! They're not improving the situation! Notice I'm speaking like this! |
| 05:00.25 | oCladhaire | (i gather that's what you're doing here) |
| 05:00.38 | Xenok | set text of a fontstring.. its not in the fontstring tags though |
| 05:00.50 | oCladhaire | okay, whats the fontstring named? |
| 05:01.01 | Xenok | Bookmarks |
| 05:01.17 | oCladhaire | okay, well a few observations. |
| 05:01.26 | oCladhaire | the function is names OnLoad, but you're treating it as an OnEvent |
| 05:01.31 | oCladhaire | its best to seperate that functionality out. |
| 05:01.36 | oWobin | oKirkburn: With good grammar? |
| 05:01.44 | oWobin | Or extra exclaimation marks? |
| 05:01.56 | oCladhaire | Xenok: Can you pastey this portion of XML |
| 05:01.58 | oCladhaire | and i'll show you what I mean |
| 05:02.03 | oWobin | At least you're not using multiple exclaimation marks |
| 05:02.05 | Xenok | ok just a min |
| 05:02.25 | oKirkburn | I, like, speak always, with gud grammar, u know this! |
| 05:02.27 | oCladhaire | if it takes longer than 32 seconds I won't be able to help you, unless you insert more quarters |
| 05:02.31 | oCladhaire | my screensaver kicks in |
| 05:03.27 | Xenok | http://wowi.pastey.net/7572 the Bookmarks_OnLoad is just the fonstring:SetText thing |
| 05:03.47 | oKirkburn | oWobin, do you always try and give people indian burns when you're attempting to seduce them? |
| 05:03.48 | oCladhaire | i'm going to do this all in XML, is that okay? |
| 05:03.52 | Xenok | sure |
| 05:03.54 | oCladhaire | err actually |
| 05:03.54 | oCladhaire | no |
| 05:03.56 | oCladhaire | i'll do it right =) |
| 05:03.58 | oCladhaire | one moment. |
| 05:04.00 | Xenok | lol |
| 05:05.05 | oCladhaire | http://wowi.pastey.net/7573 |
| 05:05.08 | oCladhaire | thats your new XMl |
| 05:05.12 | oCladhaire | i highlighted the changed lines. |
| 05:05.22 | Xenok | I see |
| 05:05.24 | oCladhaire | whats the FrameSkin nonsense too =) |
| 05:05.40 | oCladhaire | err damnit |
| 05:05.43 | oCladhaire | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:05.44 | oCladhaire | lol |
| 05:06.03 | oCladhaire | http://wowi.pastey.net/7574 |
| 05:06.04 | oCladhaire | there we go |
| 05:06.07 | Xenok | I use both wow ui designer to make the frames AND my own editing to do functions |
| 05:06.12 | oCladhaire | okay |
| 05:07.35 | Xenok | so in my lua I change Name_OnLoad(frame) |
| 05:07.52 | Xenok | to the new function name? |
| 05:07.52 | oCladhaire | i'm postying the lua in a second |
| 05:07.57 | Xenok | aight |
| 05:08.07 | oCladhaire | http://wowi.pastey.net/7575 |
| 05:08.16 | oCladhaire | all your OnLoad does is register the event |
| 05:08.25 | oCladhaire | nice and simple, and you can add more there if you ever need to. |
| 05:08.30 | oCladhaire | then you have an event handler |
| 05:08.36 | Xenok | ah |
| 05:08.38 | oCladhaire | which gets passed the frame, the event, and the arguments (in ...) |
| 05:08.44 | oCladhaire | we won't discuss what _that_ is right now =) |
| 05:08.50 | Xenok | lol ok |
| 05:09.02 | oCladhaire | Then since you know the name of the fontstring, you just use it, Bookmarks:SetText() |
| 05:09.19 | oCladhaire | design wise the whole thing could be a bit more encapsulated, but it'll be a sufficient example to start |
| 05:09.49 | Xenok | ahh cool |
| 05:10.12 | Xenok | ok testing now |
| 05:10.45 | Xenok | WOOT! ty so much |
| 05:10.48 | oCladhaire | you're welcome |
| 05:10.55 | oCladhaire | do you understand why/what we're doin there? |
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| 05:11.06 | Xenok | umm I _think_ so |
| 05:11.19 | oCladhaire | let me post something else |
| 05:11.21 | Xenok | lol |
| 05:11.24 | oCladhaire | that will help out a bit |
| 05:11.28 | oCladhaire | with some bug you'll see =) |
| 05:12.15 | oCladhaire | http://wowi.pastey.net/7576 |
| 05:12.17 | oCladhaire | a minor change |
| 05:12.20 | oCladhaire | ack |
| 05:12.22 | oCladhaire | i made a bug |
| 05:12.22 | oCladhaire | brb |
| 05:12.37 | Xenok | lol |
| 05:13.01 | Xenok | I get the idea though |
| 05:13.06 | oCladhaire | http://wowi.pastey.net/7577 |
| 05:13.07 | oCladhaire | there you go |
| 05:13.10 | oCladhaire | reason being, if you load up in the game |
| 05:13.18 | oCladhaire | the frame should check to see if you have a target, and set the fontstring |
| 05:13.22 | oCladhaire | so you just trigger that from the OnLoad |
| 05:13.30 | oCladhaire | and sinc ewe're using the code twice, we move it out into another function to make it easier to call |
| 05:13.35 | oCladhaire | so you don't just have to copy/paste it |
| 05:13.41 | Xenok | hmm how about this:.. hold on |
| 05:13.56 | oCladhaire | k k |
| 05:14.19 | Xenok | just did that and apparently it worked: http://wowi.pastey.net/7578 |
| 05:14.27 | oCladhaire | i'm headed to bed in a moment.. oKirkburn and oWobin have made their way over, and its time for us to work with oSioraiocht to find out where we all fall on the spectrun *rarw* |
| 05:14.28 | Xenok | much less code |
| 05:14.50 | oCladhaire | Xenok: Yep, the reason I split it out the way iI did was in case the function was a bit more complicated, such as 7-10 lines with a bunch of checks |
| 05:14.56 | oCladhaire | yours works too :P |
| 05:15.00 | oKirkburn | lol |
| 05:15.00 | Xenok | lol cool |
| 05:15.03 | oCladhaire | all depends on _what_ you're doing it with |
| 05:15.08 | Xenok | k |
| 05:15.18 | oCladhaire | my way, if you had to make a change, you only have to make it once, and not rely on your memory to make it twice =) |
| 05:15.25 | Xenok | now I just need a way to get the players coords :P |
| 05:15.25 | oKirkburn | oCladhaire, do I detect a hint of wishful thinking in your earlier comment? |
| 05:15.37 | oCladhaire | oKirkburn: O.o which one? =) |
| 05:15.48 | oKirkburn | heh |
| 05:15.51 | oSioraiocht | oKirkburn: I hope he doesn't have to wish too much, I'm his boyfriend... |
| 05:15.51 | oCladhaire | I thought I already confessed my undying love for you |
| 05:16.25 | oKirkburn | I r teh flattered :) |
| 05:16.30 | Xenok | lol |
| 05:16.40 | oCladhaire | okay folksies |
| 05:16.42 | oCladhaire | the dog is being annoying |
| 05:16.47 | oCladhaire | gonna head to bed =) |
| 05:16.52 | Cairenn | night clad, sweet dreams |
| 05:16.56 | oSioraiocht | g'night everyone1 |
| 05:17.00 | Xenok | aww but I need to figure out how to get the players coords |
| 05:17.02 | Xenok | hehe |
| 05:17.05 | oKirkburn | Sorry, I thought you liked me wagging my tail and begging :( |
| 05:17.13 | oCladhaire | oGoodnight everyone |
| 05:17.21 | oKirkburn | oGoodnight oClad|Sleep |
| 05:17.35 | oClad|Sleep | =( |
| 05:17.39 | oClad|Sleep | it won't let me link this nick |
| 05:17.42 | oClad|Sleep | I already am over 20 =( |
| 05:17.56 | oKirkburn | Wow |
| 05:18.05 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Cairenn (n=Cairenn@MMOI/Administratrix/Cairenn) |
| 05:18.05 | Xenok | O.o |
| 05:18.05 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+o Cairenn] by ChanServ |
| 05:18.11 | oCladhaire | so instead I sign off with dignity |
| 05:18.19 | oKirkburn | You wish :) |
| 05:18.35 | Cairenn | night clad, sweet dreams |
| 05:18.44 | Xenok | lol nice |
| 05:18.53 | oKirkburn | R.O.F.L. |
| 05:19.20 | oWobin | oh man, I'm stuck reading this unicorn jelly webcomic now =P |
| 05:19.29 | oKirkburn | Dammit, I bet I just woke up the rest of the house just now |
| 05:19.36 | Xenok | how so? |
| 05:21.28 | Xenok | hey shirik... I got that nbs-irc and it is in the same directory as my mirc.. now what? |
| 05:21.35 | Shirik | just run mirc |
| 05:21.43 | Shirik | you will find it has changed very significantly |
| 05:21.54 | Xenok | so I have to close it and re-open? |
| 05:21.58 | Shirik | yeah |
| 05:22.00 | Xenok | ok |
| 05:22.32 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Xenok (n=kco41@74-136-6-34.dhcp.insightbb.com) |
| 05:22.44 | Xenok | nothing looks different XD i did something wrong? |
| 05:22.50 | Shirik | probably :P |
| 05:23.08 | Xenok | it has to be IN my mirc directory or the same directory AS mirc? |
| 05:23.14 | Shirik | are you blocking ctcps? |
| 05:23.20 | Xenok | I don't know much about mirc |
| 05:23.27 | Xenok | uhh yeah |
| 05:23.46 | Shirik | you install it in your mirc directory |
| 05:23.50 | Shirik | like literally on top of mirc |
| 05:23.50 | Xenok | oh duh |
| 05:23.55 | Xenok | I see now |
| 05:23.58 | Shirik | it replaces a lot of script files |
| 05:23.58 | Xenok | brb |
| 05:25.25 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Xenok (n=kco41@74-136-6-34.dhcp.insightbb.com) |
| 05:25.29 | Xenok | cool |
| 05:25.36 | Xenok | its all black and white and stuff |
| 05:25.37 | Shirik | there's a control panel |
| 05:25.49 | Shirik | hit f2 by default, or go to script->control panel |
| 05:25.53 | Shirik | where you can change a bunch of stuff |
| 05:26.01 | Xenok | yay ty so much |
| 05:26.11 | Shirik | np :) |
| 05:28.18 | Shirik | ... Xenok, your client doesn't respond to CTCPs at all >< |
| 05:28.29 | Xenok | how to fix? |
| 05:28.43 | Shirik | I've never seen it happen before >< |
| 05:28.59 | Xenok | >< |
| 05:29.24 | oKirkburn | I'm off to bed now |
| 05:29.24 | Shirik | do you see them coming in? |
| 05:29.24 | Shirik | night |
| 05:29.25 | oKirkburn | Been a fun and enlightening night :) |
| 05:29.43 | Xenok | I see :Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer |
| 05:29.48 | Cairenn | night Kirk |
| 05:29.49 | Xenok | akf dog needs out |
| 05:30.00 | Xenok | s/akf/afk/ |
| 05:30.06 | oKirkburn|afk | Nighty night Cair! |
| 05:30.15 | Shirik | odd |
| 05:30.19 | Shirik | you should get something like 00:23:19 » [CTCP/VERSION] from Shirik ‹i=nospam@rrcs-67-78-171-230.se.biz.rr.com› |
| 05:30.53 | Shirik | meh... w/e it's not important |
| 05:31.07 | Xenok | yes it does now then that: Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer |
| 05:31.17 | Xenok | but then that* |
| 05:32.16 | Shirik | you should probably register then ;) |
| 05:32.16 | Shirik | OH |
| 05:32.16 | Xenok | ohh duh |
| 05:32.16 | Shirik | you're unable to reply |
| 05:32.16 | Xenok | hm? |
| 05:32.16 | Shirik | you get them fine |
| 05:32.16 | Shirik | I get it |
| 05:32.16 | Shirik | yeah you should register ;) |
| 05:32.18 | Shirik | type /ns register |
| 05:32.26 | Xenok | cool |
| 05:32.33 | Xenok | ty again you are of the most help |
| 05:32.33 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:32.47 | Shirik | yeah /ns register would have shown him the syntax, I'm lazy :P |
| 05:32.51 | Cairenn | then from now on when you log in, /msg nickserv identify [pw] |
| 05:33.16 | Shirik | Xenok: /ns is a shortcut in nbs-irc to type /msg nickserve |
| 05:33.17 | Shirik | in fact |
| 05:33.32 | Shirik | nah it's sysreset that has /identify .... I should add that in though |
| 05:33.46 | Xenok | gave me error No such nick/channel(nickserver) |
| 05:33.54 | Shirik | then you typed it wrong :P |
| 05:33.57 | Xenok | :P |
| 05:34.06 | Shirik | kinda like I did |
| 05:34.11 | Shirik | it's nickserv not nickserve |
| 05:34.16 | Xenok | ah |
| 05:34.19 | MentalPower | its nicjserv not... right |
| 05:34.23 | MentalPower | oh dear |
| 05:34.27 | Shirik | and not nicjserv |
| 05:34.30 | MentalPower | I should just shut up |
| 05:34.32 | Xenok | lol |
| 05:34.33 | Shirik | hehe |
| 05:34.48 | MentalPower | coincidentally... |
| 05:34.53 | Cairenn | it's kinda exactly how I typed it :p |
| 05:35.06 | Shirik | yeah |
| 05:35.08 | Xenok | yeah java chat no fun |
| 05:35.08 | Shirik | Cairenn owned me |
| 05:35.35 | Xenok | yay |
| 05:35.42 | Xenok | it worked |
| 05:36.29 | Shirik | there we go :) |
| 05:36.35 | Xenok | hehe |
| 05:37.09 | Xenok | ok now back to my question from about 20 minutes ago: How do I get the Coords of a player to show up in a frame? O.o must be hard |
| 05:37.11 | *** join/#wowi-lounge MentalPower|Gone (i=MPower@WoWUIDev/Norganna/Administrator/MentalPower) |
| 05:37.11 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+v MentalPower|Gone] by ChanServ |
| 05:37.27 | Xenok | is it like the showing of a name? |
| 05:37.32 | Shirik | coords don't entirely exist natively |
| 05:37.35 | Shirik | we kinda modified them |
| 05:37.45 | Shirik | you can get the coords which are a value between 0 and 1 in the x and y direction on the map |
| 05:37.58 | Xenok | ah ... darn |
| 05:38.03 | Shirik | we kinda decided to multiply them by 100 |
| 05:38.07 | Shirik | to make it easier for people |
| 05:38.13 | Xenok | figures XD |
| 05:38.24 | Shirik | so people don't have to say "I'm at (0.38329583, 0.4899403) |
| 05:38.33 | Xenok | ok would I have to make a dependancy on metamaps or something? |
| 05:39.05 | Shirik | http://wowwiki.com/API_GetPlayerMapPosition |
| 05:39.42 | Xenok | doh your right >< |
| 05:40.00 | Tierrie | people are lemmings |
| 05:41.06 | Xenok | ok how about this situation: you have say metamaps... the user would click a button on the screen and it would save there coords i.e. 47,23... then you would be able to display that... |
| 05:41.15 | Xenok | in a freame |
| 05:41.18 | Xenok | frame* |
| 05:43.22 | Xenok | think you can figure that out shirik? |
| 05:43.29 | Shirik | hmm? |
| 05:43.34 | Xenok | my situation |
| 05:44.01 | Shirik | what is "metamaps" |
| 05:44.07 | Xenok | a coord mod |
| 05:44.22 | Shirik | why would you rely on that? |
| 05:44.37 | Xenok | to show user friendly coords in a frame |
| 05:44.48 | Shirik | why not get the coords yourself? |
| 05:44.58 | Xenok | how so? |
| 05:45.04 | Shirik | 00:39:17 ‹Shirik› http://wowwiki.com/API_GetPlayerMapPosition |
| 05:45.10 | Xenok | umm yeah |
| 05:45.39 | Xenok | but I would like to show them in a familar way |
| 05:45.39 | Xenok | like 47,23 |
| 05:45.47 | Shirik | floor((x * 100) + 0.5) |
| 05:45.55 | Tierrie | woah dude this is like deja vu |
| 05:45.55 | Shirik | floor((y * 100) + 0.5) |
| 05:46.03 | Xenok | OHHHH |
| 05:46.08 | Xenok | simple then |
| 05:46.11 | Xenok | I think |
| 05:50.17 | Xenok | http://wowi.pastey.net/7581 would that be right and if not what do I do with the highlighted lines? |
| 05:50.58 | Shirik | x = and y = |
| 05:51.05 | Xenok | hmm |
| 05:51.11 | Shirik | while valid, those lines do absolutely nothing |
| 05:51.15 | Shirik | except waste cpu cycles |
| 05:51.34 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/7584 |
| 05:51.48 | Xenok | so like x = floor((x * 100) + 0.5) |
| 05:52.11 | Shirik | corrected http://wowi.pastey.net/7585 |
| 05:52.12 | Shirik | bah |
| 05:52.31 | Shirik | you beat me |
| 05:52.32 | Xenok | heh thought so |
| 05:52.32 | Tierrie | now solve my StartMoving() problem! |
| 05:52.34 | Tierrie | i'm confounded |
| 05:52.36 | Shirik | I don't think there's a solution >< |
| 05:52.42 | Shirik | and I have to work on the wowiupdater! |
| 05:52.59 | Xenok | what is this wowiupdater? |
| 05:53.22 | Tierrie | i don't think so either, as cladhaire pointed out i can write my own StartMoving() handler that also provides position transformation, but i am mostly thinking of compromises and tradeoffs |
| 05:53.39 | Tierrie | from its name, sounds like something like wowguru's mod updated |
| 05:53.41 | Tierrie | updater |
| 05:53.53 | Xenok | ah |
| 05:54.15 | Tierrie | this is what you get when you come up with decent names for your projects |
| 05:54.23 | Tierrie | and not "FlashyFlashyBangBang" |
| 05:54.28 | Xenok | gooood point |
| 05:54.34 | Tierrie | which coincidently is the name of my project |
| 05:55.38 | Xenok | ok new prob... I know now how to figure out the player position.. how do I like... make it so that I click a button and the coords SAVE into a var or somting so that I can open the frame and show the saved coords >< |
| 05:55.52 | Xenok | I ask too much :P |
| 05:57.06 | Xenok | is my idea even possible? |
| 05:57.27 | Tierrie | first of all, you need to have your .toc have a SavedVariables or SavedVariablesPerCharacter |
| 05:57.38 | Tierrie | that variable name will automatically be saved across loading |
| 05:57.50 | Shirik | Reply from 72.14.207.99: bytes=32 time=1155ms TTL=242 |
| 05:57.52 | Shirik | wtf is that |
| 05:58.11 | Tierrie | when your mod loads it it will restore the value of that variable and trigger a VARIABLES_LOADED event |
| 05:58.23 | Tierrie | Shirik: it looks like a 1 second ping time |
| 05:58.24 | Shirik | Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds: |
| 05:58.25 | Shirik | Minimum = 709ms, Maximum = 1167ms, Average = 904ms |
| 05:58.26 | Tierrie | across 13 hops |
| 05:58.28 | Shirik | >.> |
| 05:58.43 | Tierrie | so, the most logical explaination is that your continent has split off from the rest of the world |
| 05:58.46 | Xenok | very fast comuter? |
| 05:58.55 | Tierrie | 1second is atrocious |
| 05:58.59 | Tierrie | <100ms is standard |
| 05:59.15 | Xenok | I must have fast and slow mixed u here |
| 05:59.18 | Xenok | up* |
| 05:59.34 | Tierrie | anyway, so you need to create a frame as well |
| 06:00.00 | Tierrie | actually you don't even need the frame, if the variables are stored in the savedvariables it will autosave |
| 06:00.19 | Xenok | hmm |
| 06:01.28 | Xenok | ok so i have ## SavedVariables in my .toc... now what? :P |
| 06:01.28 | Tierrie | ok now you solve my problem |
| 06:01.58 | Xenok | I feel unsmart :P |
| 06:02.03 | Tierrie | here's my problem, if jim is traveling eastbound at 30 miles per hour |
| 06:02.09 | Tierrie | and joe is traveling westbound at 15 miles per hour |
| 06:02.09 | Xenok | oh boy |
| 06:02.12 | Tierrie | hahaa jk |
| 06:02.16 | Xenok | lol |
| 06:03.21 | Tierrie | something like this ? ## SavedVariablesPerCharacter: XenokVariable |
| 06:03.21 | Tierrie | well in your case its SavedVariable |
| 06:03.21 | Xenok | right |
| 06:03.21 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Shirik (i=nospam@rrcs-67-78-171-230.se.biz.rr.com) |
| 06:03.21 | Tierrie | ok so if you have a variable XenokVariable={x=25, y=30} in your code, it will remember it |
| 06:03.31 | Shirik | well it was working for about 5 seconds |
| 06:03.34 | Tierrie | technically speaking, it will save it and it will load the variable into memory during the loading of the mod |
| 06:03.38 | Kirov_ | Anyone know if the armory is down intentionally |
| 06:03.40 | Shirik | whatever, I guess that means I'll do less browsing the internet and more coding :P |
| 06:03.51 | Xenok | hmm |
| 06:03.53 | Tierrie | Shirik: it means you're being dossed. i'm dossing you |
| 06:04.00 | Shirik | right |
| 06:04.04 | Tierrie | wait |
| 06:04.13 | Tierrie | there you go |
| 06:04.17 | Tierrie | that was my attack vector |
| 06:04.21 | Shirik | ha |
| 06:04.43 | Shirik | in all honesty I'm probably a prime target for a DoS but the real question is why anyone would |
| 06:04.59 | Tierrie | i honestly doubt you're being dossed, where are you located? |
| 06:05.02 | Shirik | I don't have any SPI or anything, on a static IP, so I'm an easy target though |
| 06:05.07 | Shirik | no I guarantee you I'm not |
| 06:05.13 | Shirik | but I /could/ be, and I'd be a good target |
| 06:05.19 | Xenok | aww very bad memory.. I forgot how to make a var XD |
| 06:05.22 | Tierrie | most times its just your shitty neighbour taking up bandwidth if you share a neighbourhood node, or your ISP sucking |
| 06:05.26 | Shirik | no |
| 06:05.28 | Shirik | well yes |
| 06:05.29 | Xenok | I _used_ to know |
| 06:05.31 | Shirik | I didn't read the second half |
| 06:05.37 | Shirik | Brighthouse is the epitome of evil |
| 06:05.59 | Shirik | and this is a business line too |
| 06:06.00 | Tierrie | you're swedish? |
| 06:06.01 | Shirik | which is rather pathetic |
| 06:06.10 | Shirik | sweedish? no, I'm in the US |
| 06:06.16 | Tierrie | oh well, do a traceroute |
| 06:06.30 | Tierrie | and see where the crap is holding up, if its your isp it will immediately be obvious |
| 06:06.31 | *** join/#wowi-lounge sergio (n=sp@unaffiliated/sergio) |
| 06:06.40 | Shirik | I know it's a problem with my ISP, if I called them they'd probably have it fixed in like 5 minutes |
| 06:06.41 | Shirik | but I'm too lazy |
| 06:06.56 | Shirik | If I call them and they can't fix it over the phone, even at 3am they'll immediately come to my house ^^ |
| 06:07.02 | Shirik | but I just don't want to bother with that right now |
| 06:07.07 | Tierrie | Xenok: in the lua just XenokVariable = 1; or { "key" = "value" } or perhaps you should be reading Lua's manual |
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| 06:07.16 | Tierrie | omg |
| 06:07.23 | Tierrie | who the hell are you that your ISP will fix it in 3 minutes |
| 06:07.26 | Tierrie | are you dick cheney? |
| 06:07.33 | Xenok | sorry was afk |
| 06:07.35 | Shirik | I'm someone that pays $100/mo just for internet |
| 06:07.43 | Tierrie | i don't get it |
| 06:07.46 | Tierrie | are you dick cheney? |
| 06:07.49 | Shirik | nope |
| 06:07.56 | Shirik | but I'm one of about 3 business customers they have in the area |
| 06:08.04 | Xenok | nice XD |
| 06:08.19 | Tierrie | hmm |
| 06:08.26 | Tierrie | i still don't get it. are you dick cheney?! |
| 06:08.31 | Tierrie | jk jk jk |
| 06:09.09 | Shirik | I wonder if it's my roommate :/ |
| 06:09.23 | Tierrie | dude |
| 06:09.30 | Tierrie | you didn't tell me you had a roommate |
| 06:09.37 | Tierrie | it would totally be your roommate, downloading porn |
| 06:09.42 | Shirik | it probably is |
| 06:09.45 | Tierrie | its like what I'D check first |
| 06:09.52 | Tierrie | its like the number one reason for localized lag |
| 06:09.56 | Shirik | and I just looked at the hub which has like ... the collision light is steady on >.> |
| 06:10.02 | Tierrie | and i'm not kidding :P |
| 06:10.10 | Tierrie | if i lag, the first thing i do is to look at the modem lights |
| 06:10.10 | Shirik | this is the server :P |
| 06:10.13 | Shirik | hmm |
| 06:10.19 | Shirik | I need to set him a quota |
| 06:10.24 | Tierrie | 55.6k |
| 06:11.18 | Tierrie | ok i'm spending too much thing being flippant in this channel and not solving my problems |
| 06:11.34 | Tierrie | hey shirik speaking of which, how do you prevent people from sharing your mod once they download it |
| 06:11.47 | Shirik | it's next to impossible |
| 06:11.54 | Xenok | yup |
| 06:12.04 | Xenok | they can modify it and add keyloggers and reupload too |
| 06:12.13 | Xenok | I think |
| 06:12.41 | Tierrie | uh |
| 06:12.57 | Tierrie | shirik does a very special mod |
| 06:13.01 | Xenok | so your blammed for people getting haxx |
| 06:13.19 | Xenok | heh im just arinoid |
| 06:13.22 | Xenok | parinoid |
| 06:13.30 | Tierrie | paranoid kthx |
| 06:13.37 | Xenok | .... yeah that too |
| 06:13.42 | Shirik | how the heck do I throttle him without setting up a proxy server.. |
| 06:13.56 | Tierrie | do you have a residential router? or are you on the router with linux? |
| 06:14.06 | Shirik | this computer is the router, I'm using (sigh) ICS |
| 06:14.12 | Tierrie | windows ics?! |
| 06:14.15 | Shirik | yes... |
| 06:14.34 | Shirik | I know |
| 06:14.37 | Shirik | I deserve the problems |
| 06:14.56 | Tierrie | dude your network setup is a bloody oxymoron, business line++, shared line--, instant service++, windows ics----------- |
| 06:15.02 | Shirik | haha |
| 06:15.10 | Shirik | it's true :( |
| 06:15.16 | Xenok | ummmm http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#2.3 looks nothing like lua ive see hehe |
| 06:15.19 | Tierrie | solution -> slit wrists |
| 06:15.21 | GomiNoSensei | a network setup can't be an oxymoron |
| 06:15.29 | Shirik | hey |
| 06:15.35 | Shirik | my network setup is no worse than |
| 06:15.41 | Tierrie | Shirik: ok but more specifically, which windows do you use? xp pro? |
| 06:15.45 | Shirik | whoever that was yesterday that refused to buy another cat5 cable |
| 06:15.50 | Shirik | yup |
| 06:16.04 | Shirik | I can really get anything I want, legally |
| 06:16.17 | Shirik | I just have experience setting up ics in xp pro (years of geek squad service, so you get used to it) |
| 06:16.20 | Shirik | so that's what I did |
| 06:17.06 | Tierrie | Shirik: google this -> windows xp pro qos |
| 06:17.15 | Tierrie | there's a bunch of probable solutions |
| 06:17.49 | Xenok | Anyone: why does http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#2.3 not help me? looks like no lua Ive ever seen before O.o |
| 06:18.33 | Shirik | ugh |
| 06:18.36 | Shirik | I have to log in as administrator |
| 06:18.36 | MentalPower|Java | thats because its trying to be general |
| 06:18.44 | Xenok | I see |
| 06:19.03 | Xenok | but wowwiki doesnt' tell me how to remember variables |
| 06:19.17 | Xenok | for my brain to remember how to make variables* |
| 06:19.40 | MentalPower|Java | you don't have to pre-declare vars in Lua |
| 06:19.50 | MentalPower|Java | just use them as if they've already been declared |
| 06:19.54 | Xenok | O.o |
| 06:20.22 | MentalPower|Java | something = somethingElse will create a global variable called "something" that holds the value "somethingElse" |
| 06:20.31 | Xenok | hmm |
| 06:20.51 | MentalPower|Java | if you want to make a variable local, just prefix it with "local" the first time you assign to it |
| 06:21.04 | MentalPower|Java | local something = somethingElse |
| 06:21.20 | Xenok | soo like Coords = myfuncname_Onload() would save what is in my myfuncname_Onload()? |
| 06:21.28 | MentalPower|Java | no |
| 06:21.30 | Xenok | darn |
| 06:21.42 | MentalPower|Java | it would save whatever myfuncname_Onload() returns |
| 06:22.12 | Xenok | which would be between function and end? |
| 06:22.26 | Xenok | im new to this so bare with me |
| 06:22.47 | Shirik | thank you much Tierrie |
| 06:22.56 | Shirik | that worked pretty well, though a bit of a mess to set u |
| 06:22.57 | Shirik | up |
| 06:23.06 | Shirik | I probably could have done better but I'm too lazy to mess with it for now |
| 06:23.15 | Shirik | as it stands now he should only be able to take 50% of my total bandwidth at max |
| 06:23.40 | Shirik | and my ping times have dropped so I'm happy :) |
| 06:23.41 | MentalPower|Java | say you have code that looks like "function fooBar() return 1234 end", if you later on did "local someVar = fooBar()", your new "someVar" variable now holds the number 1234 |
| 06:23.59 | Xenok | Ohhh |
| 06:24.19 | Shirik | MentalPower|Java - do you know java well? |
| 06:24.36 | MentalPower|Java | I'm technically learning it |
| 06:24.48 | Shirik | bleh... you wouldn't know how to send a callback function would you? |
| 06:24.50 | Tierrie | Shirik: there's no better QoS than "accidently" unplugging the Cat5 cable because the connector was loose |
| 06:24.55 | Shirik | rofl |
| 06:25.06 | Shirik | isn't that anti-QoS? |
| 06:25.08 | Xenok | lol |
| 06:25.17 | Tierrie | no, its infinite quality of service on your part |
| 06:25.25 | Tierrie | the other guy's drops to zero though |
| 06:25.31 | Shirik | heh |
| 06:25.36 | Shirik | I like that way of looking at it |
| 06:25.57 | MentalPower|Java | Shirik: there are no closures in Java, so you can't "send" a function anywhere |
| 06:26.06 | Shirik | that's what I was afraid of :( |
| 06:26.16 | Shirik | right now I'm making an interface to simulate it |
| 06:26.25 | Tierrie | btw i solved my problem by reanchoring my frames to the center of my anchor, which concidentaly is the center of the screen, so now i can do simple match to get the offset |
| 06:26.35 | Shirik | implementing interfaces and then sending that class |
| 06:26.41 | Tierrie | Shirik: write it in C++ |
| 06:26.47 | Shirik | I really would love to |
| 06:26.54 | Shirik | I love C++, and really I don't like java much |
| 06:27.02 | Shirik | but I'm afraid of the portability |
| 06:27.11 | Tierrie | your clients are mac and pc |
| 06:27.13 | MentalPower|Java | why does it need to be in Java? |
| 06:27.15 | Tierrie | there's no portability issues |
| 06:27.28 | Shirik | there are linux users too :P |
| 06:27.35 | MentalPower|Java | use Qt |
| 06:27.40 | MentalPower|Java | windows, mac and linux |
| 06:27.41 | Shirik | that's what I was told earlier |
| 06:27.47 | Tierrie | wow doesn't officially support linux, and those that run in linux they run wine |
| 06:27.49 | Shirik | but... I'm this far into it, I'm not turning back now >< |
| 06:27.52 | Tierrie | i think |
| 06:27.55 | Tierrie | not absolutely sure |
| 06:28.00 | Tierrie | does wow support linux? |
| 06:28.03 | MentalPower|Java | no |
| 06:28.05 | MentalPower|Java | wine |
| 06:28.05 | Shirik | no |
| 06:28.09 | MentalPower|Java | or cedega |
| 06:28.14 | Tierrie | ok good, i was afraid i was farting out of my ass here |
| 06:28.27 | Shirik | where else should you be farting out of? |
| 06:28.46 | Tierrie | once i burped and farted at the same time |
| 06:28.51 | Tierrie | this was after a lot of diet coke |
| 06:28.59 | Xenok | sooo MentalPower|Java ... if I was to do http://wowi.pastey.net/7588 I would be able to do "local myvar = bob()" and it would save the things in the function? |
| 06:29.21 | Xenok | I might be wrong |
| 06:29.30 | MentalPower|Java | nop, that won't even compile |
| 06:29.35 | Xenok | didn't think so |
| 06:30.01 | Shirik | sure it will |
| 06:30.06 | Shirik | it just won't do what you want |
| 06:30.09 | Xenok | lol |
| 06:30.16 | MentalPower|Java | http://wowi.pastey.net/7589 |
| 06:30.28 | Shirik | iirc lua doesn't have any detection of unreachable statements |
| 06:30.35 | Xenok | oh well that makes sence |
| 06:30.37 | MentalPower|Java | nop, it won't compile, the return is not at the end of the block |
| 06:30.53 | Shirik | it doesn't have to be.. |
| 06:30.59 | MentalPower|Java | yes it does, try it |
| 06:31.13 | Shirik | I'm about to :P |
| 06:31.31 | Tierrie | some languages will allow it, lua on the other hand, may not allow mid function returns |
| 06:31.34 | Shirik | =/ |
| 06:31.37 | Shirik | >C:\Program Files\wowscite\scite\bin\LuaC.exe -o "test.luc" "test.lua" |
| 06:31.38 | Shirik | C:\Program Files\wowscite\scite\bin\LuaC.exe: test.lua:3: `end' expected (to close `function' at line 1) near `posX' |
| 06:31.39 | Shirik | >Exit code: 1 Time: 0.256 |
| 06:31.44 | Shirik | you win :( |
| 06:31.49 | Xenok | rofl |
| 06:32.35 | MentalPower|Java | you can "force" it somewhat, by enclosing the return in a do ... end construct |
| 06:32.52 | MentalPower|Java | "do return end" will work anywhere |
| 06:33.14 | Shirik | this works: http://wowi.pastey.net/7590 |
| 06:33.25 | Shirik | so why can't you do the one before :/ |
| 06:33.44 | Tierrie | whats the function to get screen height and width? |
| 06:34.04 | Shirik | meh, it doesn't matter... Lua's smarter than I thought is the result |
| 06:34.16 | Shirik | the first one makes sense to give you an error anyway |
| 06:34.26 | Shirik | I just didn't think the compiler would be that intelligent |
| 06:35.12 | MentalPower|Java | an if clause is a block |
| 06:36.46 | MentalPower|Java | if ... then ... end; do ... end; function() ... end; those are all blocks in Lua |
| 06:38.09 | Shirik | aha! |
| 06:38.23 | Shirik | I found a tool that lets me set exact bandwidth on my roommate ^^ |
| 06:38.34 | Shirik | now... which adapter is the one that connects to him :/ |
| 06:38.37 | Shirik | hrm |
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| 06:40.10 | Xenok | LOL shirik musta pulled the wrong plug |
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| 06:41.51 | MentalPower|Java | lol |
| 06:42.09 | Shirik | hrm |
| 06:42.11 | Shirik | this can't be right |
| 06:42.28 | Xenok | pull the wrong plug? |
| 06:42.50 | Shirik | hmm no, at first it seemed like it didn't affect anything |
| 06:43.06 | Shirik | oops |
| 06:43.13 | Shirik | I turned down my entire internet |
| 06:43.17 | Tierrie | hahaaa |
| 06:43.20 | Shirik | instead of the one adapter.. |
| 06:43.22 | Tierrie | did you set outgoing bandwidth to 0? |
| 06:43.31 | Shirik | no, 768K |
| 06:43.32 | Tierrie | you know |
| 06:43.38 | Shirik | total connection speed |
| 06:43.39 | Tierrie | why don't you go to his room and be like "bitch are you downloading porn"? |
| 06:43.46 | Shirik | he's sleeping actually |
| 06:43.50 | Xenok | Anyway... . when I load my frame has my function to show player coords.. it works only when I target someone and the text that shows up is always.... "46" |
| 06:43.53 | Shirik | he's got millions of downloads queued |
| 06:48.28 | MentalPower|Java | Xenok: pastey the relevant parts |
| 06:48.39 | Xenok | might take a min |
| 06:51.14 | Xenok | http://wowi.pastey.net/7592 lua..... http://wowi.pastey.net/7593 xml |
| 06:51.42 | Shirik | oops |
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| 06:52.03 | Shirik | I might have accidentally set my second network interface to 56k... oh well, works for me :D |
| 06:52.17 | aizenko-evildoer | fuzz |
| 06:52.56 | Shirik | ok |
| 06:52.59 | Shirik | you're returning two variables |
| 06:53.03 | Shirik | but you only use one |
| 06:53.10 | Shirik | SetText() only takes one value |
| 06:53.30 | Xenok | then how do I get it to show what i have in Coords()? |
| 06:53.44 | Shirik | also, you want to use the OnUpdate handler, not OnEvent, I think |
| 06:53.55 | MentalPower|Java | also its bad practice to have two functions in the XML handlers |
| 06:54.24 | MentalPower|Java | move Coords into your _OnLoad() and Coordstwo() into your _OnEvent() |
| 06:54.37 | Xenok | just a min |
| 06:54.56 | Corrodias | don't you mean... your .OnEvent() ?! |
| 06:55.01 | Corrodias | object oriented design here, people! |
| 06:55.20 | Corrodias | don't make me stick the global namespace up your ass, because it's HUEG and you're making it bigger! |
| 06:55.27 | Xenok | mental: thats how its already made.. |
| 06:55.43 | MentalPower|Java | Corrodias: one thing at a time |
| 06:55.47 | Corrodias | :) |
| 06:56.42 | MentalPower|Java | Xenok: I mean in the Lua |
| 06:56.45 | Xenok | oh |
| 06:56.53 | MentalPower|Java | you'll thank me later |
| 06:57.07 | Xenok | wait |
| 06:57.10 | Xenok | umm |
| 06:57.15 | Xenok | just asec |
| 06:57.19 | Shirik | Corrodias: totally agree |
| 06:57.24 | MentalPower|Java | also you want to do something like posX..", "..posY |
| 06:57.49 | Shirik | the global namespace is sacred |
| 06:57.53 | Shirik | thou shalt not touch |
| 06:57.54 | Xenok | lol so I name my functions in lua like Coords_OnLoad()??? |
| 06:58.01 | Xenok | >< |
| 06:58.01 | Shirik | well except for maybe one or two vars out there |
| 06:58.10 | MentalPower|Java | Xenok: no |
| 06:58.16 | MentalPower|Java | here, lemme illustrate |
| 06:58.19 | Xenok | lol sorry |
| 06:58.19 | Corrodias | now, if there were only a way to make your addon without adding -anything- to the global namespace |
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| 06:58.40 | Corrodias | maybe attach all your stuff to an existing blizzard table. haha |
| 06:58.44 | Shirik | ow.. |
| 06:58.49 | Shirik | I'm not that desparate |
| 06:58.49 | Xenok | erm |
| 06:59.00 | Corrodias | nah, adding one for a single lookup is a lot better than adding none, but requiring two lookups |
| 06:59.48 | Shirik | I think we're confusing poor Xenok |
| 06:59.54 | Xenok | yeah < |
| 06:59.57 | Xenok | >< |
| 07:00.01 | Shirik | you should ignore us :P |
| 07:00.02 | XKpe | good evening/morning |
| 07:00.06 | Shirik | morning |
| 07:00.11 | Xenok | yeah morning |
| 07:00.35 | XKpe | :) |
| 07:00.37 | Shirik | xenok want to have some fun? |
| 07:00.44 | Shirik | do /script UIParent:SetScale(2000); |
| 07:00.44 | Xenok | oh boy >< |
| 07:00.47 | Shirik | I did that yesterday |
| 07:00.56 | Xenok | why? |
| 07:01.00 | Shirik | for the hell of it |
| 07:01.05 | Xenok | whats it do? |
| 07:01.07 | Shirik | I wanted to see the extents of the scaling |
| 07:01.15 | Corrodias | lmao |
| 07:01.19 | Xenok | how would i change it back? |
| 07:01.19 | Shirik | makes your UI appear 2000 times its normal size |
| 07:01.20 | Corrodias | i would be afraid to |
| 07:01.23 | Shirik | very carefully |
| 07:01.24 | Corrodias | WoW might pop out of my monitor |
| 07:01.27 | Xenok | lol |
| 07:01.27 | Shirik | you can't see your chat window anymore so |
| 07:01.32 | Shirik | you have to type the command exactly right |
| 07:01.36 | Corrodias | /script UIParent:SetScale(1) |
| 07:01.42 | MentalPower|Java | http://wowi.pastey.net/7594, http://wowi.pastey.net/7595 |
| 07:01.42 | Xenok | or copy and past |
| 07:01.47 | Corrodias | or whatever your scale normally is |
| 07:01.48 | Corrodias | mine's 0.9 |
| 07:01.52 | Shirik | .87 |
| 07:01.52 | Xenok | holdon mental |
| 07:01.53 | Xenok | lol |
| 07:02.29 | Shirik | hmm |
| 07:02.36 | Shirik | what do you think |
| 07:02.42 | Shirik | if I did UIParent = nil;, would it fix itself? |
| 07:02.59 | Corrodias | it would probably not let you do that |
| 07:03.04 | MentalPower|Java | it will |
| 07:03.06 | Shirik | only one way to find out |
| 07:03.06 | Corrodias | i've had WoW just tell me that i can't do something before |
| 07:03.11 | MentalPower|Java | but you'll have nils galore |
| 07:03.11 | Xenok | ok tats werd |
| 07:03.29 | Shirik | well I have an error handler |
| 07:03.31 | Corrodias | i don't remember what it was i couldn't do, though |
| 07:03.33 | Shirik | but it's a child of UIParent |
| 07:03.56 | Xenok | mental.. the only diff I see in http://wowi.pastey.net/7594 is the first line? |
| 07:04.24 | MentalPower|Java | http://wowi.pastey.net/7594-1vxi:7592-3i96 |
| 07:04.40 | MentalPower|Java | thats what the (diff) link is for :) |
| 07:04.40 | Xenok | umm oh |
| 07:04.42 | Tierrie | I got it to work |
| 07:04.44 | Tierrie | and damn its sexy |
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| 07:04.49 | Corrodias | i can't have my UI scale any smaller than 0.9, at least not with this 21" CRT (18" viewable) |
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| 07:05.06 | Corrodias | it just makes it too hard to quickly read the numbers of health bars without eyestrain, for example |
| 07:05.20 | Shirik | awesome |
| 07:05.25 | Shirik | the UI seems to work perfectly |
| 07:05.30 | Shirik | except every time I do anything |
| 07:05.40 | Shirik | pops up "attempt to index a nil value" |
| 07:05.47 | MentalPower|Java | well duh! |
| 07:06.00 | Shirik | everything works, just that stupid spam :P |
| 07:06.04 | Shirik | I wanted to see more explosions :( |
| 07:06.16 | Shirik | erk |
| 07:06.22 | Shirik | I can't bring up the options menu to quit... |
| 07:06.40 | Xenok | whats different in http://wowi.pastey.net/7595? |
| 07:06.42 | Corrodias | /console logout ? |
| 07:06.42 | MentalPower|Java | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:06.51 | Shirik | meh I just hit the red x :P |
| 07:06.55 | Shirik | actually you can't do /console logout |
| 07:07.00 | Corrodias | i don't have a red X. i have a grey X. |
| 07:07.03 | Shirik | I've tried it before, it says "You don't have permission to do that" |
| 07:07.08 | Shirik | and I was like "wtf?" |
| 07:07.10 | Corrodias | oh yeah, i remember that |
| 07:07.13 | Xenok | lol |
| 07:07.31 | Xenok | umm nvm my last comment mental |
| 07:07.31 | MentalPower|Java | Xenok: below the pasted code there are the revisions, click on the (diff) link |
| 07:07.38 | Xenok | just fouind that XD |
| 07:08.23 | Xenok | wierd cuz. I already had it set as that O_O |
| 07:08.37 | Xenok | oh wati |
| 07:08.42 | Xenok | you took it OUT |
| 07:08.46 | MentalPower|Java | aye |
| 07:08.55 | Mike-N-Go | Is there any way to see what addon is taking how much RAM space or CPU? |
| 07:08.55 | MentalPower|Java | red means deleted, green means added |
| 07:09.06 | MentalPower|Java | Mike-N-Go: waut for 2.1 |
| 07:09.06 | Xenok | I see now |
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| 07:09.18 | MentalPower|Java | s/au/ai/ |
| 07:09.25 | Mike-N-Go | Oh |
| 07:09.45 | Mike-N-Go | I had heard something, but not enough to know what. |
| 07:09.59 | Corrodias | stop playing |
| 07:10.01 | MentalPower|Java | its in the changes thread in the WoW forums |
| 07:10.04 | Corrodias | then wait until 2.1.0 comes out |
| 07:10.09 | Corrodias | then give me your account |
| 07:10.22 | MentalPower|Java | ~lart Corrodias |
| 07:10.34 | Xenok | omg awsome ty mental |
| 07:10.56 | Shirik | ~lart purl |
| 07:11.00 | Shirik | !! |
| 07:11.45 | Xenok | got it to work ty mental |
| 07:11.57 | Shirik | Mike-N-Go: there will be |
| 07:11.59 | Shirik | in 2.1.0 |
| 07:12.04 | Shirik | sorry didn't see your an |
| 07:12.08 | Shirik | mental already answered |
| 07:12.09 | Shirik | damnit |
| 07:12.12 | MentalPower|Java | lol! |
| 07:12.12 | Shirik | ignore me |
| 07:12.23 | Shirik | I read stuff really late >< |
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| 07:13.24 | Shirik | you have to set a CVar because it's not enabled by default, but once you've done that and reloaded your ui, all that should be tracked |
| 07:13.24 | HolySheepy | Hi |
| 07:13.27 | Shirik | morning |
| 07:14.18 | HolySheepy | hrm are there any new Tutorials about Getting Started with UI Modding? I can only find Tutorials that are pre 2.0/BC :/ |
| 07:14.53 | Shirik | most of those tutorials should work ok, since the major changes didn't affect insecure frames |
| 07:15.15 | Shirik | but I'll be honest with you, when I picked it up, the tutorials only confused me |
| 07:15.22 | Shirik | I learned by reading others' addons |
| 07:15.26 | HolySheepy | lol |
| 07:15.28 | Shirik | and asking questions... a lot of questions |
| 07:17.39 | Tierrie | mostly to Shirik |
| 07:17.48 | Shirik | ? |
| 07:17.49 | HolySheepy | :/ |
| 07:18.43 | Xenok | istead of having the following pasty show my text only when I target someone and show my name...( I just want it to automaticly show MY coords) what do I do: http://wowi.pastey.net/7596 |
| 07:19.00 | Xenok | if tha made any sence |
| 07:19.22 | Shirik | like I said, you don't want to be using OnEvent, you want to be using OnUpdate |
| 07:19.33 | Shirik | http://www.wowwiki.com/HOWTO:_Use_OnUpdate_Correctly |
| 07:19.38 | Xenok | lol |
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| 07:23.22 | HolySheepy | und wie machen das AddOns wie Group Calendar? o.o Also die Daten semi-speichern zu lassen und dann immer die aktuellsten zu übertragen und so x.x |
| 07:23.27 | MentalPower|Java | right, if you want to always have your coords then use an OnUpdate |
| 07:23.40 | MentalPower|Java | HolySheepy: not many of us understand german |
| 07:23.48 | HolySheepy | ooops sry xD |
| 07:23.51 | Xenok | no I mean.. I want the coords that show up. my coords |
| 07:23.57 | Xenok | not the targets |
| 07:24.16 | Xenok | oh ill just keep it :P |
| 07:24.18 | HolySheepy | And How do Addons like Group Calendar semi-save Data and How do they make sure that everyone only gets the latest version? |
| 07:24.22 | HolySheepy | (of the data) |
| 07:24.33 | MentalPower|Java | Xenok: those *are* your coords |
| 07:25.03 | Xenok | but my name shows up too :P |
| 07:25.04 | MentalPower|Java | HolySheepy: my guess would be that they implement a sort of P2P data transfer |
| 07:25.15 | Xenok | I must be annoying |
| 07:25.29 | MentalPower|Java | Xenok: then delete the UnitName("player") call |
| 07:25.39 | HolySheepy | uhm.. |
| 07:25.41 | Xenok | I did ... but it came with an eror . just a sec |
| 07:25.56 | HolySheepy | is there any simple addon that does this? |
| 07:26.13 | HolySheepy | ah GuildMap maybe, brb |
| 07:26.28 | Xenok | unexpected symbol near '..' line 6 |
| 07:26.32 | Shirik | HolySheepy: To detect if everyone's using the same version, they use SendAddonMessage() to communicate with each other. http://www.wowwiki.com/API_SendAddonMessage |
| 07:27.05 | XKpe | i'd like to know who was the idiot that designed the api for addons.. |
| 07:27.09 | MentalPower|Java | Xenok: you also need to delete the .. |
| 07:27.12 | XKpe | probably noone did -.- |
| 07:27.14 | Xenok | hmm |
| 07:27.22 | MentalPower|Java | XKpe: whats your gripe with it |
| 07:27.27 | MentalPower|Java | its quite adequate |
| 07:27.39 | XKpe | its hard to use |
| 07:27.48 | MentalPower|Java | I tend to disagree |
| 07:27.56 | Shirik | the same guy that made the name of the GetBlockDodgeParryRateFromDefense() function |
| 07:27.59 | XKpe | i have to call a million methods to do a simple thing |
| 07:28.03 | Corrodias | your mom is adequate |
| 07:28.04 | Shirik | I like most of the names... but... |
| 07:28.05 | Xenok | when I delete the .. it gives me attempt to call global 'Bookmarks_OnLoad' (a nil value) |
| 07:28.12 | Corrodias | oh, sorry... habit |
| 07:28.17 | Shirik | heh |
| 07:28.31 | XKpe | worst of it, i never know wich ones |
| 07:28.32 | Shirik | ~lart Corrodias |
| 07:28.36 | MentalPower|Java | Xenok: http://wowi.pastey.net/7598 |
| 07:28.46 | Corrodias | aargh |
| 07:29.01 | Xenok | exactly what I have |
| 07:29.37 | MentalPower|Java | XKpe: I still tend to disagree, you only have to call the methods you need |
| 07:30.05 | Corrodias | everything is as it is for a reason |
| 07:30.12 | MentalPower|Java | trust me, its a lot better than addons for Mozilla, where a simple "Hello World" takes 6 files |
| 07:30.21 | Xenok | lol |
| 07:30.54 | XKpe | its better than whitespace, and still doesnt make it good |
| 07:31.06 | Corrodias | you prefer what? |
| 07:31.16 | oWobin | XKpe: Wowwiki, perhaps? |
| 07:31.18 | Corrodias | certainly not java or C++. hmm, i guess i'm not familiar with perl |
| 07:31.35 | XKpe | they should have done it ruby :p |
| 07:31.43 | MentalPower|Java | XKpe: unless you give me a concrete example, I'll just assume you're talking out of your ass |
| 07:32.00 | Xenok | Mental: that pastey i exactly what I have |
| 07:32.05 | Xenok | is* |
| 07:32.12 | HolySheepy | whats ~= |
| 07:32.18 | oWobin | not equal |
| 07:32.21 | MentalPower|Java | HolySheepy: not equals |
| 07:32.27 | HolySheepy | :/ im used to != for that |
| 07:32.32 | oWobin | yeah, it's a lua quirk |
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| 07:32.46 | MentalPower|Java | Xenok: and it gives you what error? |
| 07:33.01 | Xenok | attempt to call global 'Bookmarks_OnLoad' (a nil value) |
| 07:33.05 | Garoun|Loupana | man our guild paly made out like a bandit tonight |
| 07:33.33 | Garoun|Loupana | steamvault run gave him his d3 chest, Pennance head off Mek, and the d3 Bold gloves |
| 07:33.34 | MentalPower|Java | Xenok: you killed your OnLoad function |
| 07:33.42 | Xenok | how so? |
| 07:33.46 | MentalPower|Java | its not there |
| 07:33.53 | MentalPower|Java | mustve deleted it |
| 07:34.00 | Xenok | I only touched lua |
| 07:34.03 | MentalPower|Java | right |
| 07:34.09 | MentalPower|Java | http://wowi.pastey.net/7594 |
| 07:34.10 | Xenok | I put the lines back and Iget no erorrs |
| 07:34.11 | MentalPower|Java | compare |
| 07:34.30 | HolySheepy | hrm so how do you do it? you use snedaddonmessage, but how do you update and stuff? My Idea would be: a) If the Leader modifies the data, it will be send to the chan so everyone online gets updated, they save it in their variables and there is a increasing number(for the version), now if someone else comes online he sends a command to that same channel and the version number of his data... and if |
| 07:34.32 | MentalPower|Java | that one has a _OnLoad function, the one you linked does not |
| 07:34.41 | HolySheepy | someone has a higher version number he broadcasts his version? |
| 07:34.48 | Corrodias | holy gasp, batman! |
| 07:34.51 | Corrodias | a self-updating addon! |
| 07:34.54 | MentalPower|Java | HolySheepy: aye |
| 07:35.26 | Corrodias | as soon as someone in your guild installs a new version, it could send the new code to the others, to be loaded upon the next UI reload! |
| 07:35.29 | HolySheepy | hrm |
| 07:35.53 | Corrodias | has the words "rife for abuse" virtually scarred into it, but i've entertained myself by thinking about it |
| 07:35.57 | HolySheepy | Corrodias: with new version i was talking about the data, like a guild message or something ^^ |
| 07:36.06 | Corrodias | yeah, i know. you just inspired me. |
| 07:36.09 | HolySheepy | lol |
| 07:36.37 | Xenok | Mental.. if you mean lines 3-5 in http://wowi.pastey.net/7594 I put the Bookmarks:SetText(UnitName("target")..posX..", "..posY) to like that theres no error but at Bookmarks:SetText(posX..", "..posY) I get the error |
| 07:36.45 | oWobin | MyAddon:SendData("GM Fred is a poopyhead") |
| 07:36.57 | Xenok | O.o |
| 07:37.16 | HolySheepy | so wouldnt that lead to something like: players a, b, c and d are on, d is the guild leader an makes new data, now player e comes on, and d,a , b & c will all broadcast their latest version, isnt that much traffic and useless? |
| 07:37.19 | Corrodias | i duelled a protection warrior today and just pwned him, but that is to be expected from a feral drood and a prot warrior |
| 07:37.45 | MentalPower|Java | Xenok: http://wowi.pastey.net/7599 |
| 07:38.26 | MentalPower|Java | HolySheepy: you can implement a wait method such that all clients wait a random ammount of time before responding to a query |
| 07:38.35 | Corrodias | i also beat a rogue, but only because the bear form's damage is so high still |
| 07:38.47 | MentalPower|Java | that way once one client starts broadcasting the updated data, the others will fall silent |
| 07:38.56 | oWobin | HolySheepy: The problem with that occurs when there's a gap in updated data. ie, player a is the GM, who makes the new data, but then logs off. player b is a guild officer who makes a new one and broadcasts it to player c. Player b logs off, and player a logs back in. |
| 07:39.02 | oWobin | what happens to the update? |
| 07:39.10 | Xenok | cool ty again mental |
| 07:39.29 | HolySheepy | Oo |
| 07:39.53 | HolySheepy | oWobin: dunno, how would you fix that? ^^ |
| 07:40.02 | oWobin | You can't really |
| 07:40.08 | oWobin | not without a central source for the update keys |
| 07:40.17 | HolySheepy | uhm... |
| 07:40.24 | HolySheepy | and how do you make it de-central |
| 07:40.57 | HolySheepy | my other guess would be not making one version, but like news |
| 07:41.00 | oWobin | until they give us GuildSavedVariables, we can't |
| 07:41.09 | HolySheepy | you know, like new entries |
| 07:41.13 | HolySheepy | instead of full new data |
| 07:41.42 | MentalPower|Java | you could use a dummy char's guild notes |
| 07:41.51 | MentalPower|Java | or the GuildInfo thingy |
| 07:41.53 | HolySheepy | huh? |
| 07:41.55 | MentalPower|Java | to store keys |
| 07:42.14 | HolySheepy | oh yeah |
| 07:42.17 | HolySheepy | good idea XD |
| 07:42.42 | HolySheepy | well, i have to talk to my guild leader then :D need to get rights to edit these notes lol |
| 07:43.04 | MentalPower|Java | that way you're also guaranteed that only the allowed people can add new news or whatever it is you're transfering |
| 07:43.19 | HolySheepy | well i would use officer's note :/ |
| 07:43.32 | MentalPower|Java | that works too |
| 07:44.08 | HolySheepy | too bad you cant read websites through lua |
| 07:44.08 | HolySheepy | :op |
| 07:44.25 | HolySheepy | would be fun for blasc searching ^^ |
| 07:44.32 | oWobin | oh yeah. |
| 07:44.42 | oWobin | that's one method that killed a whole lot of guildnotes =) |
| 07:44.42 | HolySheepy | or thottbot searching |
| 07:44.53 | HolySheepy | oWobin: huh? XD |
| 07:45.19 | oWobin | There was an addon that used the guildnotes to store info |
| 07:45.34 | oWobin | however people tended to install it without reading the notes |
| 07:45.41 | oWobin | so they wiped all their guildinfo |
| 07:45.47 | oWobin | especially member data |
| 07:45.50 | HolySheepy | LoL |
| 07:46.26 | Corrodias | i'm just amazed anybody has trouble with the whole "artisan level first aid" quest |
| 07:46.30 | HolySheepy | whats "holzschlundfeste" in the english version? |
| 07:46.36 | Corrodias | i just stood in the middle and bandaged people where they lay |
| 07:46.38 | HolySheepy | Corrodias: the one in theramore? |
| 07:46.48 | Corrodias | well, Hammerfall, for me |
| 07:46.56 | HolySheepy | hrm that was easy@theramore ^^ |
| 07:47.15 | MentalPower|Java | HolySheepy: whats the translation? |
| 07:47.18 | HolySheepy | a few days ago someone asked in the general chat "where are the wounded people?" :D |
| 07:47.23 | MentalPower|Java | ie, what does it mean? |
| 07:47.23 | Tierrie | i bought a book to read this weekend |
| 07:47.36 | Tierrie | i am done reading it and i have nothing to do now :( |
| 07:47.38 | HolySheepy | MentalPower|Java: uhm those uncorrupted furbolgs in felwood(teufelswald) |
| 07:48.08 | MentalPower|Java | north east felwood? |
| 07:48.29 | Shirik | Tierrie: Write a book about me |
| 07:48.30 | oWobin | Corrodias: It's crappy if you have bad latency |
| 07:48.34 | oWobin | The quest that is |
| 07:49.02 | HolySheepy | MentalPower|Java: yeah |
| 07:49.02 | oWobin | cause you bandage, but they die |
| 07:49.02 | MentalPower|Java | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/basics/factions/timbermaw/index.html |
| 07:49.02 | oWobin | and by the time you cancel and move on, they do the same thing |
| 07:49.02 | HolySheepy | that "cave" that leads you to winterspring |
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| 07:49.43 | oWobin | ~x de en holzschlundfeste |
| 07:49.56 | HolySheepy | rofl |
| 07:50.03 | oWobin | hehe timbermaw =) |
| 07:50.06 | Shirik | o.o |
| 07:50.07 | oWobin | hold =P |
| 07:50.10 | oWobin | rofl |
| 07:50.14 | Shirik | haha |
| 07:50.15 | Shirik | nice |
| 07:50.33 | oWobin | Trust the germans to go for the literal translations =) |
| 07:54.09 | HolySheepy | well i ran through it and saw a Human Priest Lv 13 Name: Nessaja... My Char is now on Arygos, but it was created on Antonidas... 1.5 years ago i stopped playing there, a few weeks ago i transferred the char to arygos... well, on Antonidas i knew a human priest, i ran through the timbermaw hold with her (at Lv 4x), now guess the name of the Priest i met on arygos ^^ |
| 07:58.17 | Corrodias | Bob? |
| 07:58.33 | HolySheepy | ... |
| 07:58.35 | HolySheepy | Nessaja xD |
| 07:58.55 | MentalPower|Java | 42 |
| 07:59.11 | HolySheepy | 42 what? o.o |
| 07:59.19 | MentalPower|Java | just 42 |
| 07:59.28 | HolySheepy | lol |
| 07:59.52 | XKpe | the answer to life the universe and everything |
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| 08:04.09 | Shirik | 42. |
| 08:04.23 | Shirik | The same man proved that the population of the universe is zero. |
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| 08:04.52 | Corrodias | oh, gurochan/f/, you never cease to amuse: http://img.gurochan.net/f/src/1172936535350.jpg |
| 08:05.05 | Corrodias | [work-safe] |
| 08:05.09 | Shirik | hehe |
| 08:05.22 | Shirik | !! |
| 08:05.27 | Shirik | I didn't see the part at the bottom before |
| 08:05.28 | Shirik | omg |
| 08:06.14 | Corrodias | take a deep breath, Shirik. it's only an image. the ice cream won't get you. |
| 08:06.27 | Shirik | They're coming for me! I can hear them outside!! |
| 08:10.38 | MentalPower|Java | thats creepy... |
| 08:10.48 | XKpe | is the hello world from the Blizzard Interface Tutorial suposed to show anything? |
| 08:10.50 | Xenok | OMFG |
| 08:11.21 | Xenok | thats scary |
| 08:11.38 | Shirik | I know! |
| 08:11.42 | Shirik | And they're coming for you too! |
| 08:11.49 | MentalPower|Java | XKpe: yeah, "Hello World" on an error box |
| 08:12.00 | Corrodias | lmao: [not as work-safe] http://img.gurochan.net/f/src/1172887036664.jpg |
| 08:12.04 | Shirik | if you do /script message("Hellow World"); |
| 08:12.09 | Shirik | that's what your addon should do |
| 08:12.10 | MentalPower|Java | so if you have IEF, BugSack or Swatter it will be in those |
| 08:12.29 | Corrodias | (remember, right to left, although it matters little in this case) |
| 08:12.53 | MentalPower|Java | I don't get it... |
| 08:13.57 | oWobin | O.O |
| 08:14.06 | oWobin | nor I |
| 08:14.21 | Corrodias | thread full of weird stuff [definitely not work safe] http://img.gurochan.net/f/res/15990.html |
| 08:14.24 | XKpe | i made ReloadUI 10 times and nothing happen only when i restarted the game.. |
| 08:15.06 | XKpe | do i have to restart the game if i change the .toc ? |
| 08:15.15 | MentalPower|Java | aye |
| 08:15.23 | Corrodias | you have to logout and back in if you change a .toc |
| 08:15.26 | Shirik | fully quit and relog |
| 08:15.29 | Corrodias | you don't technically have to restart the game |
| 08:15.33 | Shirik | since when? |
| 08:15.41 | Corrodias | since the last time i tried it |
| 08:15.42 | Shirik | never worked for me :/ |
| 08:15.49 | Shirik | unless I was imagining it |
| 08:15.54 | Corrodias | i did that when updating .toc version numbers |
| 08:15.55 | oWobin | ... |
| 08:15.59 | oWobin | suitcase girl.... |
| 08:16.01 | Corrodias | i don't know about when you add new files |
| 08:16.24 | MentalPower|Java | adding files requires a restart |
| 08:16.40 | MentalPower|Java | changing TOC entries requires logout/login |
| 08:16.43 | Corrodias | oWobin: http://img.gurochan.net/f/src/1172622438877.jpg ? [nsfw] |
| 08:16.44 | oWobin | That's why I prepropogate the toc with files I'm going to eventually write =) |
| 08:16.59 | oWobin | Corrodias: yeah |
| 08:17.19 | Corrodias | that's really more /g/ material than /f/ |
| 08:17.23 | MentalPower|Java | oWobin: that only works if you also create dummy files |
| 08:17.53 | XKpe | Corrodias that reminds me dexter |
| 08:18.08 | Corrodias | dexter's a cookie |
| 08:18.09 | oWobin | MentalPower|Java: Not so |
| 08:18.19 | oWobin | The files don't necessarily have to exist |
| 08:27.26 | MentalPower|Java | oWobin: just tested, extensively, no cigar |
| 08:27.51 | oWobin | yeah? |
| 08:27.55 | oWobin | strange works for me |
| 08:28.16 | MentalPower|Java | Created AddOn, TOC has two lines ##Interace and a .lua thats not yet created |
| 08:28.18 | MentalPower|Java | loaded WoW |
| 08:28.19 | Shirik | I think oWobin has hax |
| 08:28.23 | MentalPower|Java | addon is shown as loaded |
| 08:28.23 | oWobin | probably |
| 08:28.42 | MentalPower|Java | created.lua, filled it with some code, reloadui, code does not run |
| 08:29.31 | oWobin | maybe if there's already a file in the toc that -does- load? |
| 08:29.50 | MentalPower|Java | and I add a second file? |
| 08:29.52 | oWobin | cause that's probably the most likely scenario for me, There'd be the main lua that's there, and I add in others as time passes |
| 08:29.53 | MentalPower|Java | lemme test that |
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| 08:33.11 | MentalPower|Java | nop, still no cigar |
| 08:34.18 | oWobin | odd |
| 08:34.22 | oWobin | I must be haxxing then |
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| 08:36.39 | Shirik | I think he is |
| 08:37.54 | MentalPower|Java | I can pastey the code if you want |
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| 08:54.18 | Corrodias | guys. GUYS. new image from Zenith! [so very NSFW] [guro] http://img.gurochan.net/g/res/28785.html |
| 08:59.02 | Corrodias | if any of you are fans, that is, you should take note |
| 09:05.07 | pakoz | wtf ;x |
| 09:05.30 | pakoz | thats like not artistic emotional or sexy.. its just dumb |
| 09:05.40 | fox689 | *sigh* if I wasn't used to 4chan, that would have scarred me. |
| 09:06.48 | fox689 | I think the only thing that could emotionally scar me is watching someone be ripped apart IRL right in front of me. |
| 09:07.50 | Corrodias | pakoz: yer dumb |
| 09:07.57 | fox689 | And I'm not sure of that, seeing as I joked about the guy that jumped out my dorm's 20th floor window 5 minutes after it happened |
| 09:11.33 | MentalPower|Java | Corrodias: I have to side with pakoz, thats just plain disturbing |
| 09:11.39 | Corrodias | suit yourself |
| 09:12.51 | fox689 | I think sleep is in order. |
| 09:13.18 | Shirik | so like |
| 09:13.25 | Shirik | how did a cookie get named a cookie? |
| 09:13.34 | Shirik | (the internet cookie of course) |
| 09:13.35 | Corrodias | you cook it |
| 09:13.40 | Corrodias | then EEEEEt it |
| 09:13.41 | Shirik | .. |
| 09:13.55 | fox689|sleep | please rip him apart again. It didn't take the first time |
| 09:14.31 | fox689|sleep | oh, I'm supposed to be sleeping... *goes to bed* |
| 09:14.46 | Shirik | "One possible source of the term, which cannot be proven definitely today, was the comic strip Odd Bodkins by Dan O'Neill published in the San Francisco Chronicle during most of the 1960s. Several of O'Neill's characters ate Magic Cookies from the Magic Cookie Bush, many thought this was a euphemism for LSD, unmentionable in a major newspaper. In any case, the Magic Cookie transported the eater into Magic Cookie Land; thus, perhaps, a |
| 09:15.25 | Shirik | I think the guy who wrote that was on lsd >< |
| 09:18.47 | Sstixrud | sigh, when in a duel UnitIsFriend still reports them as a friend |
| 09:25.42 | MentalPower|Java | Shirik: you cut off " the eater into Magic Cookie Land; thus, perhaps, a" |
| 09:26.03 | Shirik | thus, perhaps, a small token produced a whole context or experience." |
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| 09:35.19 | Corrodias | do i want... "Aidonel" or "Aidolen"? the second doesn't have that "-elle? i'm femenine!" sound to it |
| 09:35.31 | Shirik | I like Aidolen |
| 09:35.42 | Shirik | but it does sound a bit masculine |
| 09:35.45 | Corrodias | (yes, i'm still screwing around with my hunter's name, after, what, 10 hours of it) |
| 09:35.54 | Corrodias | well, he's male, so it should |
| 09:35.58 | Shirik | oh |
| 09:36.01 | Shirik | then you're good :) |
| 09:36.07 | Corrodias | cool |
| 09:36.24 | Corrodias | i knew i'd eventually hit on a name i could truly get behind |
| 09:41.01 | Corrodias | ...or Aidonal? |
| 09:42.18 | Shirik | I like Aidolen personally but it's your character! |
| 09:43.06 | Corrodias | it may be, but between the pet's name and the hunter's name, i've literally spent 10 hours looking at names |
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| 09:43.11 | oWobin | Your friends could call you Aids |
| 09:43.16 | Corrodias | i've got to make a damn decision |
| 09:43.29 | Shirik | I'll tell you what I tell everyone else |
| 09:43.32 | Corrodias | seeing Aidonal and Aidolen next to each other, though, i agree with your preference |
| 09:43.40 | Shirik | I make up my names by slamming my hand against the keyboard and then touching it up with vowels |
| 09:43.40 | ZealotOnAStick | Aidolen to me sounds too much like Eidolon from someone who doesn't know how to spell it. |
| 09:43.43 | Corrodias | looks a little more natural |
| 09:43.46 | Shirik | my favorite name, Kimina, look at that one |
| 09:43.53 | Shirik | k, i, m, and n |
| 09:43.57 | Shirik | all right next to each other on the keyboard |
| 09:44.00 | Shirik | coincidence? I think not. |
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| 09:44.08 | oWobin | shirik? |
| 09:44.14 | oWobin | that's all over the keyboard =\ |
| 09:44.18 | Corrodias | mcfjiopefSW -- plus vowels? hmm |
| 09:44.18 | Shirik | That's not one that counts, it was given to me by a friend |
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| 09:44.32 | oWobin | That's a bit odd =) |
| 09:44.40 | Shirik | far more know me by Kimina actually than Shirik |
| 09:44.57 | Corrodias | my primary yahoo mail name is just a little keyboard ditty i tapped out just to make any name: joijio |
| 09:45.14 | Shirik | exactly! |
| 09:45.20 | Corrodias | try typing that five times >_< |
| 09:45.26 | Sstixrud | heh is this doing what I think it should? if isFriend and not targetIsEnemy and type ~= nil then |
| 09:46.08 | Corrodias | ZealotOnAStick: what's Eidolon? |
| 09:46.09 | Sstixrud | i.e. I want it to trigger if unit is a friend, and not if target is an enemy, but only if type exists? |
| 09:46.35 | Sstixrud | haven't done a "and not" followed by another and |
| 09:46.59 | oWobin | "a Greek concept of a shade or astral double of a living being" |
| 09:47.13 | Corrodias | interesting |
| 09:47.15 | oWobin | Or a race from Farscape |
| 09:47.40 | Corrodias | now THAT is a popular name in WoW. 6 pages in the armory |
| 09:47.59 | Shirik | Sstixrud: if that's what you want to do, then that's right |
| 09:48.02 | Corrodias | but see? every time i come close to a good name, it ends up being very similar to something else |
| 09:48.31 | Corrodias | kael'thas, ordinal, eidolon... all things that were very similar to names i eventually came to |
| 09:48.36 | Shirik | (type ~= nil) is redundant actually |
| 09:48.41 | Sstixrud | shirik I think it is, I am trying to account for the fact that a duel target is both Friendly and an Enemy at the same time |
| 09:48.43 | Shirik | you can just say (type) and you'll get the smae thing |
| 09:48.48 | Shirik | s/smae/same/ |
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| 09:49.21 | Sstixrud | doh! I knew that, in fact I use that syntax else here :) |
| 09:49.31 | Corrodias | the armory doesn't have a record of any Eidolon from my realm. maybe i should use that. |
| 09:49.56 | Corrodias | meh, i'd rather have a name i came up with on my own. but i don't want it to look like a misspelling of that one. |
| 09:51.05 | Corrodias | the drama continues~ |
| 09:51.28 | Shirik | purl, comfort Corrodias |
| 09:51.30 | purl | There, there, Corrodias. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 09:51.58 | Corrodias | then again, i could just say it was "inspired" by the word if anyone insists on a relationship |
| 09:54.31 | oWobin | You could use Aidonal |
| 09:54.45 | oWobin | which is in no way conceivably a misspelling of eidolon |
| 10:00.14 | Corrodias | or maybe Chuckshot |
| 10:01.59 | oWobin | Which also can in no way conceivably be considered a mispelling of Eidolon |
| 10:03.25 | Corrodias | does Aidonal look to you like a decent name for a Blood Elf man? |
| 10:04.38 | oWobin | sure |
| 10:05.05 | Nom- | What's the URI for this new WoWi updater thingymabobwhatchamajig ? |
| 10:05.36 | oWobin | ISn't Shirik still working on it? |
| 10:05.46 | Shirik | yup |
| 10:06.07 | Shirik | do you want to see what it's like so far? |
| 10:06.08 | Nom- | Yah, but it was being tested by various randoms on Friday, I thought? |
| 10:06.12 | Shirik | it won't do much but yell at you |
| 10:06.15 | Nom- | Sure, why not :) |
| 10:06.18 | Shirik | but if you want to see it |
| 10:06.33 | Shirik | mm let me close up what I was doing so I can get it to build >< |
| 10:07.28 | Corrodias | i think... i will stick with Aidonal. at least, i'll not delete him again, and i'll sleep on it. |
| 10:07.31 | Shirik | currently it's configured to try to update up to 5 addons at a time, so you'll probably see something like 5 addons trying to update, and the rest saying "waiting for available thread" |
| 10:07.51 | Corrodias | i believe i am satisfied with naming the pet Argyros, once i have it |
| 10:08.00 | Shirik | I may change that anywhere from 1 to 100 depending on how well it works; all it takes is a little change at the top of one file |
| 10:10.04 | Corrodias | huh, my guild has 321 characters in it, apparently (although just about 100 players) |
| 10:11.03 | Shirik | I will warn you Nom |
| 10:11.03 | Shirik | it um... kinda eats up your cpu right now |
| 10:11.03 | Nom- | Corrodias: We're breaking up our guild because we've run out of room :P |
| 10:11.04 | Shirik | one of the thread handlers isn't working right |
| 10:11.06 | Corrodias | oh, dear |
| 10:11.06 | Nom- | We've broken up into 3 different charters, 3 25-man raid teams plus additionals basically |
| 10:11.49 | Corrodias | i'm ashamed that someone chose the name "Belegolas" |
| 10:12.34 | Corrodias | then we have a paladin Blowinbubles, a mage Brita |
| 10:13.29 | Shirik | http://www.guardianhq.com/personal/skullshot/wowiupdater.zip |
| 10:13.40 | Corrodias | ah, our guild leader did actually transfer the GM title to his new character |
| 10:13.42 | Shirik | go into the "dist" directory, run from command line, java -jar wowiupdater.jar |
| 10:14.00 | Shirik | You will have to "register" your addons with it first, so go to the file menu and choose "register" |
| 10:14.12 | Shirik | but be warned: it definitely still has a few kinks |
| 10:14.25 | Shirik | oh |
| 10:14.28 | Shirik | now it's working fine... wtf? |
| 10:14.37 | Shirik | must have been one of my older threads that was locking up my cpu |
| 10:15.19 | Shirik | but tell me what you think of the layout, etc. |
| 10:15.42 | Shirik | also tell me if it found your wow installation without asking |
| 10:16.11 | Corrodias | Dotsforyou, a warlock |
| 10:16.16 | Shirik | >< |
| 10:16.24 | Shirik | creativity--; |
| 10:16.33 | Corrodias | i think it's cute |
| 10:16.48 | Shirik | I think people with those kinds of names deserve to be beaten over the head |
| 10:16.54 | Shirik | with a 2 story building |
| 10:17.11 | Corrodias | i was going to name that hunter Swiftstrike, but it was too hard to type and too hard to say |
| 10:17.21 | Shirik | that's decent |
| 10:17.26 | Shirik | dotsforyou isn't |
| 10:17.28 | Corrodias | much too hard to say... two long, single-syllable words combined into one |
| 10:17.42 | Corrodias | not "hard" so much as "cumbersome" |
| 10:17.46 | Shirik | Nom- are you checking it out? |
| 10:19.13 | Corrodias | Harrymonster (who used to be Harrybuttocks before having to change it) decided to make a paladin named Hairybubble, if i have the right characters matched up here |
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| 10:38.16 | oWobin | What did the warlock say to the warrior? |
| 10:38.19 | oWobin | ... |
| 10:38.38 | Shirik | "lol I pwn3d j00" ? |
| 10:38.44 | Corrodias | just what i was thinking |
| 10:38.51 | oWobin | nope, I already answered the joke =P |
| 10:39.02 | Shirik | haha |
| 10:39.03 | Corrodias | except i don't think in bad leet |
| 10:39.07 | Corrodias | how amusing |
| 10:39.19 | Corrodias | you should put it in quotes, though. "..." |
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| 10:44.31 | Corrodias | 51% our guild's characters are tauren or undead |
| 10:45.07 | Nom- | downloading it now |
| 10:45.14 | Nom- | I got distracted by a quest in Blades Edge :P |
| 10:47.49 | Nom- | A lot of work to go :) |
| 10:47.55 | Nom- | It doesn't seem to try and update anything |
| 10:48.07 | Shirik | because it doesn't >< |
| 10:48.23 | Shirik | that's what I'm working on now |
| 10:48.29 | Shirik | believe it or not, the hard part is finished |
| 10:48.31 | Shirik | downloading is easy |
| 10:48.38 | Shirik | the hard part is setting up thread relations and locks |
| 10:48.52 | Shirik | and layout |
| 10:48.56 | Shirik | which forever wasn't working right |
| 10:49.06 | Nom- | and it doesn't quit either :P |
| 10:49.12 | Shirik | er... it should |
| 10:49.13 | Nom- | oh wait there it goes |
| 10:49.23 | Nom- | it was doing something and didn't indicate it was doin gsomething :P |
| 10:49.45 | Shirik | it was probably trying to do something that doesn't exist yet :P |
| 10:50.06 | Nom- | Looking good |
| 10:50.12 | Shirik | I like it :) |
| 10:50.13 | Nom- | The file browser thing was rather slow too |
| 10:50.22 | Nom- | But maybe that's just because I had WoW open in the backgro0und |
| 10:50.27 | Nom- | It makes everything seem a little slow |
| 10:50.40 | Shirik | It does some very strange polling on the threads, I'm going to touch it up later |
| 10:50.45 | Shirik | It's decent but it could be more efficient |
| 10:51.22 | HolySheepy | is WoWBench compatible to WoW 2.0? |
| 10:51.40 | Shirik | dunno, don't use it |
| 10:51.46 | Shirik | "file browser thing" |
| 10:51.52 | Shirik | what were you meaning exactly? |
| 10:52.18 | Shirik | the thing that asks you for your wow install location? |
| 10:54.23 | HolySheepy | what exactly did change with 2.0? |
| 10:54.29 | Shirik | heh |
| 10:54.31 | Shirik | a lot |
| 10:54.34 | Corrodias | just one little thing |
| 10:54.41 | HolySheepy | ... |
| 10:54.49 | Shirik | ha |
| 10:54.51 | Shirik | "one little thing" |
| 10:54.55 | Corrodias | they changed the shade of tauren brown fur to be slightly darker. that's the only change! |
| 10:55.14 | Shirik | well, they did change only one little thing |
| 10:55.23 | Corrodias | or you could look up patch notes, which condenses all UI changes to one little note about "hey, the API changed" |
| 10:55.25 | Shirik | the security of Blizzard's UI environment |
| 10:55.34 | Shirik | which affected like... the entire ui |
| 10:55.38 | Corrodias | then look up the 2.0 UI changes and read that, which takes even longer to understand |
| 10:55.59 | Shirik | ... does the patch notes really just say "the api changed" ? |
| 10:56.05 | Shirik | I never actually read it |
| 10:56.07 | Corrodias | no, no |
| 10:56.11 | Shirik | ok.. |
| 10:56.13 | HolySheepy | -.- |
| 10:56.14 | Shirik | scared me for a second |
| 10:56.16 | Corrodias | but it does barely say anything about the UI. just one note. |
| 10:56.20 | Shirik | >.> |
| 10:56.21 | Corrodias | i think it was only one |
| 10:56.34 | Shirik | guess they just expect us to know :P |
| 10:56.49 | Corrodias | http://wow.warcry.com/news/view/66718-2-0-1-Patch-Notes |
| 10:57.17 | Corrodias | "Significant changes have been made to User Interface customization." |
| 10:57.24 | Shirik | wow. |
| 10:57.25 | Corrodias | "For specific details, please visit http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=36975623&sid=1." |
| 10:57.32 | Shirik | well ok that's a little better |
| 10:57.45 | Corrodias | apparently, they didn't feel it useful to put the whole list into the patch notes |
| 10:57.53 | Shirik | ???wow.web.forums.error500.message??? |
| 10:57.54 | Corrodias | most users wouldn't understand or care about them |
| 10:57.55 | Shirik | woot! |
| 10:58.10 | Shirik | wow forums are useless :P |
| 10:58.26 | Corrodias | ???wow.web.forums.generalTitle??? ???wow.web.forums.error500.title???: |
| 10:58.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | man |
| 10:59.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm all giddy because i discovered a coffee brewer designed just for me |
| 10:59.05 | Corrodias | "The Hunter, "Auto Shot," ability will no longer activate on resurrection." |
| 10:59.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | maybe i should lay off the coffee a bit |
| 10:59.12 | Corrodias | wow, that could have caused some problems! |
| 10:59.15 | Shirik | ... what the heck? |
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| 10:59.26 | Shirik | when did that happen? |
| 10:59.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's like |
| 10:59.35 | Corrodias | *wipe* *pop* *oh shi-* *wipe* |
| 10:59.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | okay, i'm outside gruul's aggro distance *accept res* |
| 11:00.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | *AUTO SHOT TO THE EYEBALL* |
| 11:00.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | WHO THE HELL JUST WIPED US YOU'RE KICKED FROM THE FREAKIN GUILD |
| 11:00.19 | Corrodias | well, in 2.0.1, that would be kel'thuzad |
| 11:00.57 | Corrodias | "Various graphical errors will be noticeable while viewing maps." |
| 11:01.09 | Corrodias | they don't phrase that as if they -fixed- it... |
| 11:01.13 | Shirik | .. |
| 11:01.19 | Corrodias | but rather as if they caused it to happen, like it's intended |
| 11:01.23 | Shirik | yes |
| 11:01.25 | Shirik | that's how I read it |
| 11:01.40 | Shirik | that's the CS guys |
| 11:01.51 | Shirik | "Tech support hasn't been getting enough calls today, we'll have to make some problems" |
| 11:02.00 | Corrodias | lol |
| 11:04.27 | Corrodias | http://wow.warcry.com/news/view/69104-Upcoming-changes-to-the-LFG-system |
| 11:05.03 | Shirik | ... |
| 11:05.09 | Shirik | why restrict the damn channel |
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| 11:05.23 | Shirik | I liked it the way it was |
| 11:05.34 | Shirik | give us our channel; most servers I've seen just make the channel anyway |
| 11:05.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | so people will use the LFG tool too :x |
| 11:05.47 | Shirik | that's something a programmer should never do |
| 11:05.50 | Shirik | force someone to use something |
| 11:06.07 | Corrodias | well, blizzard does it all the time |
| 11:06.14 | Shirik | sadly, yes |
| 11:06.17 | Corrodias | but in reality, i loved the global channel + CallToArms |
| 11:06.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's a pretty big part of blizzard games |
| 11:06.23 | Shirik | CTA was pretty cool |
| 11:06.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | playing within their ruleset |
| 11:06.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | if you don't like their ruleset, don't play, basically, is their mindset |
| 11:06.55 | amro | its not really a ruleset, LFG is more of a convenience tool |
| 11:07.05 | Shirik | but it's a convenience tool they're forcing you to use |
| 11:07.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | since they can't accomodate for everyone they tend to stick to a steady path, making minor changes based on feedback here and there |
| 11:07.23 | Shirik | and it doesn't even work! |
| 11:07.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | works fine for me |
| 11:07.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | only problem is no one uses it |
| 11:07.38 | Shirik | I've gotten stuck inside it several times |
| 11:07.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | when people does it works perfectly fine |
| 11:07.45 | Shirik | and I can't get out, even after reloading ui |
| 11:07.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh yeah there's a bug where you can still be flagged for lfg when you're in a group |
| 11:08.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | but that's pretty minor |
| 11:08.14 | Shirik | not minor when I'm getting spammed every 5 seconds with "hey want to go to _______" |
| 11:08.21 | Shirik | "Why don't you accept my invite" |
| 11:08.29 | Shirik | or when I /dnd No I don't want to go to ________ |
| 11:08.36 | Shirik | "Well then why the hell are you in LFG! Noob!" |
| 11:08.37 | Corrodias | working perfectly is... a generalization |
| 11:08.44 | Corrodias | i don't want a black morass group with myself and a rogue |
| 11:08.51 | Shirik | (all true stories) |
| 11:09.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | tell your group brb, reinvite me in a few seconds, need to fix something |
| 11:09.07 | Corrodias | well, maybe myself and a rogue, but there needs to be a specific makeup. no more dps-people who aren't AoE |
| 11:09.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's why you don't use autojoin corr |
| 11:09.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | it'll make a good group in a perfect world, but after a while it invites pretty much anyone |
| 11:09.40 | Corrodias | then i just get anonymous invitations... |
| 11:09.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | use the lfm interface to find those lfm |
| 11:09.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | or lfg |
| 11:10.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | i swap back and forth between the two all the time |
| 11:10.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | to see how many people are lfg/lfm for x |
| 11:11.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | and as a rule i don't accept invitations without someone talking to me first |
| 11:11.05 | amro | right but sometimes you're just grinding not flagged as LFG and seeing an LFM might change your mind, what we really need is a hybrid system |
| 11:11.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | which is what they're doing :o |
| 11:11.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | you flag yourself LFG and you can see the LFG chat and find groups that you'd otherwise miss |
| 11:11.55 | amro | you still have to flag yourself |
| 11:12.02 | Corrodias | that's okay with me |
| 11:12.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | flag yourself for one instance and just read it |
| 11:12.15 | Corrodias | now, i REALLY need to go to bed. oh, god, why did i stay up this long? 'ni |
| 11:12.18 | amro | right but that means you're actively LFG |
| 11:12.36 | amro | but sometimes you're not but you might still do an instance if you see LFM |
| 11:12.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | not really, you can probably write an addon to auto flag you LFG for x instance |
| 11:12.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | as soon as you login |
| 11:12.48 | Shirik | night |
| 11:12.51 | Shirik | wow it's 6am.. |
| 11:12.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | and never go to the LFG tool if you don't want to use it |
| 11:12.56 | Shirik | meh |
| 11:13.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | you can read LFM Black Morass in the LFG chat when you're LFG for everything but black morass |
| 11:13.42 | amro | big deal' |
| 11:13.55 | Shirik | but that's the point |
| 11:13.56 | amro | not as bad as having to write an addon |
| 11:14.00 | Shirik | that's just making workarounds just for the hell of it |
| 11:14.09 | Shirik | why not just give us access to the channel anyway |
| 11:14.16 | amro | yeah |
| 11:14.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | i think people just tend to fight change |
| 11:14.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | because no one would ever use the lfg tool |
| 11:14.32 | amro | nobody fought the LFG channel's arrival |
| 11:14.41 | amro | back when peopled LFG'd in IF/Org |
| 11:14.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's like, well, meeting stones 2.0, scrap that idea guys, hundreds of hours of devtime wasted, time to implement something else people will hate |
| 11:15.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | instead of having a hybrid system until they work out all the kinks in the lfg tool |
| 11:15.38 | Corrodias | meeting stones 2.0, where you summon people by clicking them? no way, we love that |
| 11:15.41 | Corrodias | or is this 3.0? |
| 11:15.51 | amro | i think he means as in a new lfg syste |
| 11:15.52 | nevcairiel | the LFG System wouldnt even be too bad, if people actually would use it :P .. and if they would offer a option for hybrid classes to choose their role. |
| 11:15.54 | amro | system* |
| 11:16.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | nev, comment box |
| 11:16.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | "Feral Spec" |
| 11:16.18 | amro | the LFG system assumes too much about what people want |
| 11:16.25 | Corrodias | and for people to LFG for instances outside the small level range they fit into |
| 11:16.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | "Feral, no i won't heal you, don't ask me." |
| 11:16.38 | nevcairiel | doesnt work with auto-join, what most people select. |
| 11:16.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've never used autojoin |
| 11:16.51 | Corrodias | i can't LFG for lbrs |
| 11:16.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | but it does use your spec to account for things |
| 11:17.00 | Corrodias | it's really quite difficult to get a group without that ability |
| 11:17.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | like the armory does |
| 11:17.12 | nevcairiel | it sucks that the auto-join and not-auto-join queues are seperate tho |
| 11:17.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | it decides what your focus is and if you're close in 2, it'll flag you as hybrid spec |
| 11:17.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | but after a while it'll make exceptions to get a group formed |
| 11:18.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | and after long enough you'll end up with 5 hunters |
| 11:18.13 | nevcairiel | i remember being a full resto druid, and no tank in group, but another priest. |
| 11:18.15 | nevcairiel | that was weird. |
| 11:18.31 | Corrodias | [away] @ bed |
| 11:18.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | group probably took long enough for it to lower its standard to "desperate" |
| 11:18.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've never used it, like i said |
| 11:18.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | i also try to keep people from using it because of that very reason |
| 11:19.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | the autojoin |
| 11:19.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | after too long it gets desperate |
| 11:19.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | not using autojoin or autoinvite and using the lfm interface to see who's lfm/lfg is the best method imo |
| 11:20.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've had no problems with that at all, |
| 11:20.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | i liked calltoarms more, but still, it's simple and it works well from my experience |
| 11:20.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | it would work as well as CTA, more or less, if more people didn't fight it because it was something different |
| 11:21.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | if everyone used autojoin it would make pretty good groups, but since people hate the tool, autojoin isn't great because the pool isn't big enough for it to be as picky as it can |
| 11:29.43 | Shirik | oh yeah it's downloading like a champ! |
| 11:29.53 | amro | what is? |
| 11:30.03 | Shirik | the updater :) |
| 11:30.24 | Shirik | it might actually be almost done :) |
| 12:07.56 | Industrial | wazaaaaaaahhhhh |
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| 12:32.38 | nevcairiel | now that you mention it |
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| 13:41.16 | HolySheepy | N> a good wow interface :/ |
| 13:41.20 | HolySheepy | i love mazzle but its too buggy |
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| 15:09.10 | zenzelezz | what's the story with the o<nick> thing? |
| 15:11.19 | Gnarfoz | they've got set mode +o, perhaps they're trying to be funny about it? :D |
| 15:22.12 | Gnarfoz | (wrong assumption ;)) |
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| 15:44.06 | ToBeZ | Is there anyone that can help me ? |
| 15:44.44 | tlund | ToBeZ: how should we know? you have not told us what the problem is. |
| 15:45.47 | ToBeZ | hehe! i just installed my BC client of world of warcraft, i downloaded the wow-before-the-storm-engb-patch meanwhile, when the installation was complete i tried to run the patch but it gave error "This update does not need to be applied. It requires a version of "Wow.exe" older than 1.12.0.5595, but you already have version 2.0.0.6080." |
| 15:45.52 | ToBeZ | what's the problem ? |
| 15:46.33 | amro | you got the wrong patch |
| 15:46.37 | ToBeZ | isn't there a patch for update from 2.0.0 to 2.0.1 |
| 15:46.38 | ToBeZ | ? |
| 15:46.39 | amro | run your wow and try to login |
| 15:46.45 | amro | it will download the correct patch |
| 15:46.58 | ToBeZ | i tries to download 2.0.3 when i try log in |
| 15:47.01 | ToBeZ | it* |
| 15:47.03 | amro | so? |
| 15:47.14 | ToBeZ | or is it the full 2.0.3 ? |
| 15:47.26 | amro | it should be 2.0.0-2.0.3 |
| 15:47.39 | ToBeZ | ok i will try |
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| 16:25.17 | oMoonWolf | slashdot, being very serious about nothing that matters. |
| 16:28.23 | zenzelezz | hehe |
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| 17:45.00 | oKirkburn | And I managed to totally forget to actually show the options menu *sigh* |
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| 17:46.35 | oHaste | I have a question for you oKirkburn! Will still maintain CF1? |
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| 17:51.16 | oKirkburn | oHaste, why thank you for your question - the answer just so happens to be on http://www.clearfont.co.uk/index.html |
| 17:51.53 | oHaste | hehe |
| 17:52.17 | oKirkburn | bbl! |
| 17:53.45 | oKirkburn|afk | Tek, just realised my PMs didn't go thru |
| 17:53.59 | oKirkburn|afk | I said it was automatic, I blocked bugmenot a looong time ago |
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| 19:02.41 | Xenok | dont' be intimidated by the many lines of code but: in http://wowi.pastey.net/7624 .. the Kalimador and outlands buttons don't show up when I call them with a seperate dropdown menu... but Easternking works fine O.o |
| 19:04.18 | Tierrie | why doesn't it show up? |
| 19:04.26 | Xenok | ./shrug |
| 19:04.27 | Tierrie | put some print statements and check your width and height and position |
| 19:05.18 | Cide | Xenok: it's not about being intimidated |
| 19:05.28 | Xenok | remember im new ...Print statements? |
| 19:05.39 | Cide | it's about the rudeness in asking someone else to look over your 994 lines of code |
| 19:05.49 | Xenok | good point v_v |
| 19:06.09 | Corrodias | i have put in my password |
| 19:06.12 | Corrodias | and windows logged m in |
| 19:06.16 | Cide | remove all the unnecessary code and someone might look |
| 19:06.27 | Corrodias | once i typed letters, they appeared! |
| 19:07.04 | Corrodias | DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage(String) |
| 19:07.07 | Tierrie | DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage() |
| 19:07.24 | Tierrie | but i wrote a simple function called printd that maps the string to it |
| 19:08.00 | Tierrie | function prind(string) if debug then DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage(string) end end |
| 19:08.01 | Corrodias | i learned to type it quickly -.- |
| 19:08.11 | Corrodias | your way is better |
| 19:12.29 | bleetah | if anyone here has a last.fm account, feel free to join http://www.last.fm/group/WOW%20Interface (it's member only approved, so once I've got a few more members, or one of the wowinterface admin/mods join, I'll cede control to a more 'senior' person) |
| 19:15.16 | Xenok | I could only reduce it by 200 something lines :P http://wowi.pastey.net/7625 |
| 19:17.08 | Cide | I'd look if it was <100 |
| 19:17.32 | Xenok | yeah.. but the menu its self is like 100 lines PER drop down |
| 19:18.00 | Xenok | I have 4 of them... |
| 19:18.02 | Cide | strip away the unnecessary stuff then |
| 19:18.06 | Xenok | ill try |
| 19:18.13 | amro | how about only the relevant dropdowns? |
| 19:18.20 | Xenok | um good idea |
| 19:18.26 | Cide | backdrops are irrelevant |
| 19:18.32 | Cide | so are textures |
| 19:18.55 | Cide | 80% of your code gone right there it seems! |
| 19:20.14 | Xenok | so no texture tags? |
| 19:20.29 | Tierrie | how about templates |
| 19:20.40 | oHaste | bleetah: Applied |
| 19:21.19 | bleetah | oHaste: approved :) |
| 19:21.36 | bleetah | oHaste: are you feeling crazy enough to be the group leader? |
| 19:21.44 | Cide | yeah, templates go a long way to make XML manageable |
| 19:21.46 | bleetah | no probs if you don't |
| 19:22.00 | oHaste | bleetah: never poked at anythin at last.fm :p |
| 19:22.23 | bleetah | oHaste: heh.. it's not too bad a service, it's improved lots in the past year as more people have signed up |
| 19:22.32 | bleetah | and fixed tags, etc. etc. |
| 19:22.32 | Corrodias | what does it -do-? |
| 19:22.49 | bleetah | Corrodias: basically, your winamp submits tracks played to it |
| 19:23.08 | bleetah | it keeps records of your local 'charts', then based on that, associates you with other people with similar tastes, etc. |
| 19:23.24 | bleetah | also, it's a reasonable indicator of what's popular music on the 'net, etc. |
| 19:23.28 | oHaste | http://www.last.fm/user/haste/ << example |
| 19:23.41 | bleetah | http://www.last.fm/user/bleeter/ << another example |
| 19:23.43 | Cide | www.pandora.com is nice too |
| 19:23.56 | Corrodias | "social music revolution", i see |
| 19:24.03 | Cide | and likely faster to get up and running |
| 19:24.12 | Corrodias | yeah, totally not my kind of thing, but i'm glad it's there for you |
| 19:24.14 | bleetah | further, once enough music isplayed by the last.fm members, the damins go to the record companies and try to get permission to host tracks |
| 19:24.21 | bleetah | *admins |
| 19:24.44 | bleetah | so there's kinda like a radio station there of tracks that are frequently played by it's members |
| 19:25.14 | Xenok | ok it went from 944 lines to 276 http://wowi.pastey.net/7625 |
| 19:26.05 | bleetah | Cide: " Pandora is currently for US listening only " :'( |
| 19:26.32 | Cide | I use it anyway! |
| 19:28.03 | Xenok | s/7625/7626/ |
| 19:32.54 | Xenok | still confuses me as to why the other dropdown menus don't show up.. I call them right O.o |
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| 19:51.31 | bleetah | oHaste: you might also like to join http://www.last.fm/group/World+of+Warcraft |
| 19:51.48 | bleetah | that's got 385 members, and a decent set of charts |
| 19:52.14 | bleetah | fairly predictable charts, too, I might add.. not necessarily my taste |
| 20:02.25 | Shirik | damn, it's 3 pm? |
| 20:02.33 | Shirik | I slept a little too late ^^; |
| 20:02.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | its 2049 |
| 20:03.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | a race of sentient camels have made robots to chat on irc with us |
| 20:03.11 | Shirik | o.o |
| 20:03.19 | bleetah | dromedaries? |
| 20:03.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | you and i are the sole survivors of the camelocalypse |
| 20:04.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | i really need to get some sleep |
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| 20:04.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | sleep deprivation and a strange mind are a bad combo |
| 20:06.22 | Xuerian | I beg to differ, I believe it's a good one. |
| 20:06.27 | Xuerian | That's what I tell myself, at least |
| 20:06.36 | Xuerian | Don't tell me I said that though <.< |
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| 20:20.09 | Xenok | tutoral on: mouse over frames? (you hover above something (like a fontsrting) and another frame shows up) |
| 20:20.20 | Xenok | I need one :P |
| 20:22.41 | oHaste | bleetah: I listen to everything :) |
| 20:24.05 | Xenok | lemme rephrase my last comment: I need to be able to hover above a font string and while the curser is above the fontstring I need another frame to show up.. and go away after I take the curser off. .where can I find a way to do that? |
| 20:28.03 | Kaso | Xenok, mouse enabled frames have a <OnEnter> and <OnLeave> script tag which is run whenever mouse enters or leaves that frame's boundries |
| 20:28.40 | Sstixrud | Question I know I can do "if bleh.blah[table] then" but how can I do "if bleh.blah[variable] then" ? |
| 20:28.56 | oCladhaire | huh? |
| 20:29.08 | Kaso | i second that Huh |
| 20:29.12 | Sstixrud | heh |
| 20:29.13 | Industrial | you cant do the first |
| 20:29.15 | Xenok | sorry was afk |
| 20:29.18 | oCladhaire | Industrial: yes you can |
| 20:29.23 | Industrial | 2nd is fine |
| 20:29.23 | Shirik | Industrial: y |
| 20:29.24 | Industrial | how |
| 20:29.26 | Shirik | clad beat me >< |
| 20:29.28 | oCladhaire | Industrial: but its not normal to key a table with table objects. |
| 20:29.34 | Industrial | o |
| 20:29.37 | Industrial | so |
| 20:29.44 | oCladhaire | local t = {} local otherT = {} otherT[t] = true |
| 20:29.51 | Industrial | {{}={}} is valid? |
| 20:29.56 | oCladhaire | ... |
| 20:29.57 | Industrial | :D |
| 20:29.59 | Kaso | anything can be a key in lua iirc |
| 20:30.03 | oCladhaire | no but {[{}] = {}} is |
| 20:30.09 | Xenok | Kaso: so its simple frame that has a <OnEnter> and i calls the other frame in the tags and <OnLeave> hides them? simple |
| 20:30.09 | Industrial | er right |
| 20:30.09 | Shirik | anything is a variable in lua |
| 20:30.13 | Industrial | cool. |
| 20:30.15 | Shirik | therefore anything can be a key |
| 20:30.29 | Sstixrud | How would I "if variable is true"? |
| 20:30.34 | Industrial | you never stop learning in here |
| 20:30.37 | Kaso | Xenok remeber the frame has to be mouse enabled |
| 20:30.38 | Shirik | I'm really tempted now to test to see if you can use a function as a key |
| 20:30.40 | oCladhaire | if (variable == true) |
| 20:30.45 | Xenok | ahh ty for heads up |
| 20:30.50 | oCladhaire | if you need to know if its true |
| 20:30.51 | Sstixrud | sorry used the wrong wording |
| 20:30.55 | oCladhaire | Shirik: You can |
| 20:30.59 | oCladhaire | Shirik: i do it all the time |
| 20:31.01 | Sstixrud | a table entry not a table :) |
| 20:31.13 | Shirik | figured as much |
| 20:31.14 | Sstixrud | like bleh = {blah} |
| 20:31.20 | oCladhaire | Sstixrud: same thing.. if (tbl[key] == true) |
| 20:31.44 | Sstixrud | do I need the == true? |
| 20:31.49 | Shirik | yes |
| 20:31.54 | oCladhaire | depnds, do you want to see if it exists, or do you want to see if its true |
| 20:31.55 | Shirik | well |
| 20:32.09 | oCladhaire | any non-nil non-false value is true in the context of "if variable then |
| 20:32.17 | Sstixrud | I only care that it exists.. I am asking because thats what I did (with the ==) and it no worky :) |
| 20:32.27 | Shirik | then you don't want the == true |
| 20:32.43 | oCladhaire | you want "if tbl[ke] then |
| 20:32.48 | oCladhaire | tbl[key] rather. |
| 20:32.52 | Sstixrud | I have this: "if not UBVAR.DYNEVENTS[unit].ActiveButtons[btn] then" in my code and it works if the [btn] is a table, but not if its a value of ActiveButtons |
| 20:32.54 | Shirik | kekeke! |
| 20:33.05 | Xenok | Kaso: what about hovering above a fontstring? |
| 20:33.05 | oCladhaire | Sstixrud: it has to be a key, not avalue. |
| 20:33.17 | oCladhaire | tbl[key] = value |
| 20:33.21 | oCladhaire | you can only lookup keys, not values. |
| 20:33.44 | Sstixrud | the above code was triggering off of: UBVAR.DYNEVENTS.player.ActiveButtons = {btn} |
| 20:33.49 | Kaso | Xenok Fontstrings arent frames, I believe it'd be easiest to use a button or somethine similar. |
| 20:33.53 | Shirik | that's not the same |
| 20:33.53 | Sstixrud | ok, thanks that explains my confusion |
| 20:33.55 | Xenok | ah ok |
| 20:34.06 | Shirik | that's UBVAR.DYNEVENTS.player.ActiveEvents[0] = btn |
| 20:34.08 | Shirik | er |
| 20:34.09 | Shirik | 1 rather |
| 20:34.14 | Shirik | damn lua and their non-zero-based counting |
| 20:34.44 | Sstixrud | I was trying to avoid creating a table, wanted to just table.insert :) |
| 20:34.55 | Sstixrud | dunno which is cheaper so I guess it doesnt much matter |
| 20:35.05 | oCladhaire | Sstixrud: well you can't get easy key/value lookups without keys =) |
| 20:35.10 | oCladhaire | meaningful keys |
| 20:36.10 | Sstixrud | ok thanks :) its no biggy I only create a few tables (12 at most) and it only happens on target selection so it should be ok |
| 20:36.24 | oCladhaire | I still highly question your design |
| 20:36.32 | oCladhaire | but that's pointless for us to do at this point |
| 20:36.33 | Sstixrud | thank you :P |
| 20:36.40 | oCladhaire | its easy to use tables incorrectly |
| 20:36.50 | oCladhaire | because they're so handy =) |
| 20:37.28 | Shirik | one of my favorite things about lua is their tables |
| 20:37.36 | Sstixrud | I need to detect what UnitClass my target is whenever target changes... I then need to :Hide or :Show buttons depending on if class matches user selected class list |
| 20:37.46 | Sstixrud | can you think of a better way to do it? |
| 20:37.56 | oCladhaire | Sstixrud: without understanding your entire design, no. |
| 20:38.26 | oCladhaire | the easiest way is to probably have a table of functions, keyed by class name that get executed when you need it to |
| 20:38.41 | Sstixrud | I am highly limited in design choices around target selection due to combat lockdown |
| 20:39.07 | oCladhaire | heh, no more than anyone else =) |
| 20:39.32 | Sstixrud | well my whole mod is dealling with action buttons and their visual status :P |
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| 20:39.43 | oCladhaire | aye |
| 20:40.15 | cogwheel | do all units have a CreatureType? |
| 20:40.33 | oCladhaire | cogwheel: Im not sure |
| 20:42.19 | cogwheel | s/units/non-player units/ |
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| 20:42.50 | oCladhaire | No they don't. |
| 20:42.55 | oCladhaire | I don't believe. |
| 20:42.59 | cogwheel | ok |
| 20:43.02 | oCladhaire | for example, those spiders that aren't beasts |
| 20:43.09 | oCladhaire | they don't have a creature type |
| 20:43.14 | oCladhaire | it would show on the tooltip if they did |
| 20:43.17 | oCladhaire | demon, humanoid, beast, etc. |
| 20:43.26 | Kaso | the whole of AQ is untyped |
| 20:43.39 | cogwheel | thanks |
| 20:46.29 | Sstixrud | If anyone is interested in offering critisim, optimization or education to my newb self see: http://wowi.pastey.net/7630 and http://wowi.pastey.net/7631 =) |
| 20:48.23 | Cide | see: http://wowi.pastey.net/7631 - lines 82 to 370 |
| 20:48.25 | Shirik | what is all that stuff at the top? |
| 20:48.38 | Shirik | local UnitName = UnitName |
| 20:48.40 | Shirik | etc? |
| 20:48.50 | Cide | local copies |
| 20:48.52 | oCladhaire | Shirik: local bindings for global functions,not a bad idea |
| 20:48.56 | Cide | prevents global lookup on access |
| 20:49.01 | Cide | "prevents" is the wrong word |
| 20:49.09 | Sstixrud | I did that for performance critical lookups |
| 20:49.17 | oCladhaire | Sstixrud: You can delay table creation until those sections are accessed |
| 20:49.18 | Shirik | interesting |
| 20:49.32 | oCladhaire | and its your table structure that is causing most of your issues, as cide said |
| 20:49.32 | Cide | Sstixrud: the function I highlighted needs some serious abstraction |
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| 20:51.07 | JoshBorke | hey, i recognize that code |
| 20:53.18 | Sstixrud | Cide the table creation section? |
| 20:53.26 | oCladhaire | yep |
| 20:53.58 | Sstixrud | ya I know its not very clean, it only runs once tho during startup |
| 20:54.15 | oCladhaire | well, its not the cleanliness, tho that certainly could use some work |
| 20:54.29 | oCladhaire | it just seems like bad table design, especially to create everything up front when it may never be used. |
| 20:54.48 | Cide | it's also maintenance hell |
| 20:54.48 | Shirik | I personally don't like the table design myself but I have to admit I haven't read much into it |
| 20:55.39 | Sstixrud | the table creation up front is to avoid extra work during UNIT_AURA and UNIT_HEALTH events... now I fully admit this is my first addon/program so I may be breaking all the rules :) |
| 20:56.29 | oCladhaire | we all start somewhere. |
| 20:56.52 | Sstixrud | some of us deep in a hole than others :P |
| 20:56.58 | Sstixrud | deep/deeper |
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| 21:00.09 | Cide | Sstixrud: try http://wowi.pastey.net/7635 |
| 21:00.14 | Cide | (untested) |
| 21:00.17 | Sstixrud | looking, thanks |
| 21:00.36 | Cide | oops |
| 21:00.56 | Cide | refresh |
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| 21:01.34 | Sstixrud | that replaces which lines in org? |
| 21:02.08 | Cide | u2-147 |
| 21:02.12 | Cide | s/u/8/ |
| 21:03.28 | cogwheel | while we're in a "look at other peoples' code" mood, mind taking a look at http://wowi.pastey.net/7636 & http://wowi.pastey.net/7637 ? |
| 21:04.01 | Sstixrud | it does look cleaner by far, although I have never used __index or xxx:match |
| 21:04.01 | Cide | oops, refresh again |
| 21:04.05 | Sstixrud | k |
| 21:04.21 | Cide | I forgot that __index gets the tbl as a parameter |
| 21:04.45 | oCladhaire | nub |
| 21:04.46 | oCladhaire | =) |
| 21:04.51 | Cide | clearly =( |
| 21:05.02 | Cide | Sstixrud: that also does dynamic creation |
| 21:05.04 | Cide | = good! |
| 21:05.54 | Sstixrud | You mean it only creates the table if its called? |
| 21:06.00 | Cide | yes |
| 21:06.15 | Cide | cogwheel: I'm not entirely sure, but replacing your big if statement that encloses the whole first paste with "if CogUtils and CogUtils.revision >= revision then return end" |
| 21:06.23 | Cide | should have identical results |
| 21:06.44 | cogwheel | yep it should... that would save some unnecessary indentation... |
| 21:06.51 | oCladhaire | =) |
| 21:06.55 | oCladhaire | ah the tricks of the trade |
| 21:07.21 | Sstixrud | hmmm how does it know if it should create it or not heh, oh I see you onl have the tables listed that were always created in my code |
| 21:07.52 | Cide | it checks if the key lua tries to access matches the format of the tables you created |
| 21:08.01 | Cide | if so, and it's in the table of "valid" keys, it creates it and returns it |
| 21:08.22 | Cide | __index is only invoked if the key doesn't exist |
| 21:08.32 | Sstixrud | So do I need to lookup the table diff than I am? or does this code somehow intercept lookups? |
| 21:09.00 | Cide | yes, the __index metamethod is called when you try to lookup an index that's not found |
| 21:09.14 | Cide | then it checks the index against your table format and the table containing valid keys |
| 21:09.19 | Sstixrud | awww, clever and far more advanced than I have attempted so far :) |
| 21:09.31 | Shirik | and this is how I implement OOP in Lua :D |
| 21:09.51 | Shirik | as well as many others :P |
| 21:09.55 | Cide | yep :) |
| 21:10.05 | Cide | I use it to switch base class even :) |
| 21:10.28 | Sstixrud | well lets see if I can get this to work heh |
| 21:12.18 | Cide | cogwheel: looks good other than that in my eyes! |
| 21:12.44 | Cide | one thing that might boil down to personal preference though |
| 21:13.41 | Cide | you're referencing CogsUtils 4 times.. might be (***slightly*** ;) easier to maintain if you abstract that into local LIB_NAME = "CogsUtils" and _G[LIB_NAME] |
| 21:14.21 | Cide | not really a big deal there though, since they're all right next to each other |
| 21:15.56 | cogwheel | woops... that reminds me i forgot to change one of the CogsUtils to lib |
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| 21:19.34 | oCladhaire | guys |
| 21:19.52 | Cide | Cladhaires |
| 21:19.53 | oCladhaire | this chick needs help transferring $12.5 million |
| 21:20.16 | cogwheel | do you get to keep her if you help? |
| 21:20.41 | oCladhaire | she just wants me to email her quickly!! |
| 21:20.42 | Cide | oh, really? this guy is too young to accept this money from his father's will |
| 21:20.49 | Cide | s/this money/the money/ |
| 21:20.55 | Cide | he wants me to help him! |
| 21:20.58 | oCladhaire | Cide: my friend had the SAME problem. |
| 21:21.34 | Shirik | hey um |
| 21:21.38 | Shirik | I need help transferring money too |
| 21:21.39 | Cide | seems like it's a common problem these days! |
| 21:21.42 | Shirik | can I have your bank number? |
| 21:21.51 | Shirik | >.> |
| 21:21.52 | Shirik | <.< |
| 21:22.13 | oCladhaire | i can't giv eyou |
| 21:22.25 | oCladhaire | but i can send you my driver's license, and my SS# card |
| 21:22.43 | Cide | oh, sure. you can have my credit card number too - I currently have about $5 billion there |
| 21:24.12 | Xenok | ok these lines are short and should be a quick fix: http://wowi.pastey.net/7642 xml http://wowi.pastey.net/7643 lua |
| 21:24.20 | Xenok | wait |
| 21:24.56 | Xenok | error is attempt to call global 'notesave_OnClick' (a nil value) |
| 21:25.14 | Cide | that means that global variable wasn't found |
| 21:25.25 | Cide | so you effectively tried to do nil() |
| 21:25.41 | Shirik | which is all sorts of fun! |
| 21:25.45 | Xenok | orly |
| 21:25.53 | Cide | kind of like division by zero, am I right, Shirik? |
| 21:25.57 | Shirik | totally |
| 21:25.59 | Xenok | eep |
| 21:26.29 | Shirik | calling nil functions is Lua's equivalent of SIGSEGV |
| 21:26.44 | Xenok | so what do I do? :P |
| 21:27.06 | Cide | define it? |
| 21:27.35 | Xenok | would that be line 14 in lua? |
| 21:27.37 | Cide | or change the code to call a function that exists |
| 21:27.44 | Xenok | but it does O.o |
| 21:27.49 | Cide | yes |
| 21:27.52 | oCladhaire | says you =) |
| 21:27.55 | Xenok | hehe |
| 21:27.56 | Cide | but you made it local |
| 21:28.02 | Cide | which means that it's global |
| 21:28.03 | oCladhaire | unfortuantley the lua vm disagrees =) |
| 21:28.06 | Cide | ... |
| 21:28.08 | Xenok | hmm |
| 21:28.09 | Cide | s/it's/it's not/ |
| 21:28.16 | Xenok | lol |
| 21:28.30 | Xenok | " Which means that i'ts not global" |
| 21:28.44 | Shirik | is there a commonly used "version" identifier in TOC files? |
| 21:28.51 | Cide | ## Version: 1.0 |
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| 21:28.53 | cogwheel | ## Version: |
| 21:28.59 | Shirik | just making sure thanks ^^ |
| 21:29.06 | Cide | Xenok: remove the "local notesave_OnClick" at the top |
| 21:29.10 | Cide | and it'll work |
| 21:29.20 | Xenok | ill see |
| 21:29.35 | cogwheel | Shirik: http://www.wowwiki.com/The_TOC_Format :P |
| 21:30.04 | Xenok | ok no error ty |
| 21:30.17 | Shirik | yeah I know but the only thing I really "accept" is the fact name, description, dependencies, LoD, and saved vars fields |
| 21:30.27 | Shirik | because theo thers really have no impact on wow so... they don't really have to exist, right? |
| 21:30.40 | Xenok | I wanted to save what was in an editbox into a variable buuuuut i can't seem to get it to display O.o |
| 21:30.49 | Xenok | the error was the save button |
| 21:31.11 | Shirik | should have rephrased the question to "is ## Version commonly enough used that I can expect to find it" |
| 21:31.13 | Shirik | but thanks :) |
| 21:31.41 | cogwheel | Version is an "official" identifier that's specifically supported by WoW :) |
| 21:31.59 | Shirik | but not putting it in there won't break your addon :P |
| 21:32.14 | Shirik | and we know how many authors conform to specifications |
| 21:32.26 | Xenok | wait.. the variable I save it in is named "notes" sooo would i change notes:SetText(notes) to something? |
| 21:33.26 | Sstixrud | Cide: I am getting a C stack over flow with that code :) |
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| 21:34.16 | Shirik | that means you probably have an infinite loop somewhere |
| 21:34.22 | Cide | oops |
| 21:34.28 | Cide | rawset ftw |
| 21:34.47 | Cide | meh |
| 21:34.48 | Cide | I'm stupid |
| 21:35.15 | Cide | Sstixrud: http://wowi.pastey.net/7645 |
| 21:35.55 | oCladhaire | lolzors |
| 21:36.16 | Sstixrud | boo another lua function I dont know :P |
| 21:36.37 | oCladhaire | you should read the section on metatables |
| 21:36.39 | Shirik | you're killing the poor man Cide |
| 21:36.40 | oCladhaire | its very explanatory |
| 21:36.49 | Shirik | but yes metatables are your friend, you should learn them |
| 21:36.51 | Sstixrud | hmm same thing |
| 21:36.55 | Cide | rawset(tbl, key, value) is equal to tbl[key] = value, except it doesn't invoke the metamethod |
| 21:37.47 | Sstixrud | this is the line it reports the stack problem on "local newkey = key:match("^UBConfigSub2(.+)$"); " |
| 21:37.47 | Cide | did I screw up again? someone else look over the code =/ |
| 21:38.32 | Sstixrud | let me clear my savevars just in case |
| 21:38.45 | Shirik | it looks fine to me |
| 21:39.07 | Xenok | http://wowi.pastey.net/7646 what in there do I have to change to show what i have in the editbox named noteedit? |
| 21:39.35 | Sstixrud | nope still errors hmm |
| 21:39.40 | Xenok | I thought I had it right |
| 21:39.44 | Cide | having not looked at your code, noteedit:GetText() retrieves the text set in the editbox |
| 21:39.55 | Xenok | yes |
| 21:40.03 | Xenok | hmm |
| 21:40.38 | Xenok | but I want the text to stay there as a variable |
| 21:40.57 | Cide | as a variable? |
| 21:41.00 | Shirik | Sstixrud: the stack overflow is occurring in that code? |
| 21:41.15 | Sstixrud | yes at "local newkey = key:match("^UBConfigSub2(.+)$");" |
| 21:41.17 | Xenok | what I type into the edit box stays in the frame i have it showing in |
| 21:41.21 | Xenok | but it won't show |
| 21:41.32 | Shirik | well it doesn't really matter where it "says" it occurred because a stack overflow can never be traced down to one line |
| 21:41.49 | Shirik | but it's somewhere inside there |
| 21:41.51 | Shirik | that's the important part |
| 21:42.00 | Sstixrud | all I did was comment out my manual table creation and insert Cide's code in |
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| 21:43.22 | Shirik | is there anythign else inside UBVAR.DYNVARS/ |
| 21:43.37 | Shirik | specifically, does spelltypes somehow get put inside there later? |
| 21:44.11 | Sstixrud | those tables receive children later |
| 21:45.15 | Cide | shouldn't matter really |
| 21:45.57 | Shirik | no it shouldn't after looking at it some more |
| 21:45.58 | Shirik | I honestly don't see anything wrong with it :/ |
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| 21:45.58 | Cide | I don't either |
| 21:45.58 | Shirik | ex. |
| 21:45.58 | Shirik | but |
| 21:45.58 | Shirik | wait |
| 21:46.01 | Shirik | if ( not self[key] ) then |
| 21:46.09 | Cide | oh |
| 21:46.11 | Cide | good point! |
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| 21:46.19 | Sstixrud | hmm odd I looked in the table savevar file and the section just below begins to run and creates UBVAR.DYNVARS.Warrior = {} |
| 21:46.23 | Cide | refresh |
| 21:46.32 | Cide | should be if ( not rawget(self, key) ) then |
| 21:46.45 | Shirik | _that_ should work |
| 21:46.56 | amro | what the? can a folder be locked for use in windows? (by locked I mean in use by another program) |
| 21:47.06 | Shirik | sure |
| 21:47.12 | Shirik | oh wait a folder? |
| 21:47.16 | Cide | thanks Shirik |
| 21:47.21 | Shirik | not to my knowledge... apps can only lock files |
| 21:47.23 | Shirik | np :) |
| 21:47.25 | Cide | well |
| 21:47.37 | Cide | depends on what you mean with locked? |
| 21:47.40 | Xenok | like when editing a file in a folder and you try to move/ delete the folder that file is in its locked |
| 21:47.47 | Shirik | when you open a file in windows you specify a sharing lock, that's what I'm talking about :P |
| 21:48.22 | Shirik | a folder can't be locked, but if a file inside it is locked then you won't be able to do much with the folder |
| 21:48.32 | Sstixrud | still errors |
| 21:48.40 | Shirik | same problem? |
| 21:48.44 | Sstixrud | yup |
| 21:49.04 | Sstixrud | ill post what I have now |
| 21:49.33 | amro | the folder is empty actually. windows deleted everything in it then complained about the folder itself |
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| 21:49.43 | Sstixrud | http://wowi.pastey.net/7651 |
| 21:49.45 | Shirik | can you delete the folder /now/ ? |
| 21:49.49 | Shirik | or is it still complaining |
| 21:49.59 | amro | nope- I always try twice =) |
| 21:50.08 | Shirik | and I'm going to ask the stupid questions here |
| 21:50.19 | Shirik | are you sure there's no hidden files/folders there and that you have access to delete it? |
| 21:50.35 | amro | yes |
| 21:50.41 | Shirik | what's the error exactly? |
| 21:50.44 | Sstixrud | Cide - it isn't the next line after your code is it? UBVAR.DYNVARS.Warrior = {} because that actully kicks off before it errors |
| 21:51.07 | amro | hm now this is really weird |
| 21:51.21 | Cide | Sstixrud: what? |
| 21:51.30 | Shirik | line 30 is still wrong hun |
| 21:51.39 | Shirik | you never changed it |
| 21:51.54 | amro | this is weird |
| 21:52.06 | Sstixrud | take a look at http://wowi.pastey.net/7651 line 42 In my Savevars wow file that table is the only one that exists after the Cstack error |
| 21:52.07 | amro | from the properties dialog it seems that there's a readonly file inside the folder |
| 21:52.09 | Xenok | I get this error when I target myself attempt to call method 'SetText' (a nil value) line 14 of http://wowi.pastey.net/7646 |
| 21:52.12 | amro | but there isn't |
| 21:52.23 | Shirik | Sstixrud: You need to change line 30 as identified eariler |
| 21:52.35 | Shirik | 16:46:47 ‹+Cide› should be if ( not rawget(self, key) ) then |
| 21:52.52 | Sstixrud | oh I just clicked refresh |
| 21:52.56 | Sstixrud | and copied pasted heh |
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| 21:53.12 | Cide | it was fixed there |
| 21:53.16 | Shirik | amro: Well one of them is lying to you |
| 21:53.26 | Cide | but yeah, in any case, it'll be fixed if you change that |
| 21:53.38 | Shirik | In the event of conflicting, mutually exclusive propositions, one of them must be false. |
| 21:53.56 | amro | hm its not a big deal, I'm used to windows screwing up. besides, the folder is empty now |
| 21:55.11 | Sstixrud | this still gives the same error: http://wowi.pastey.net/7652 |
| 21:56.34 | Cide | now you didn't fix line 27 |
| 21:56.34 | amro | hm anyone remember the name of that application that shows disk usage graphically by folders? |
| 21:56.34 | Cide | setmetatable(dynvars, { __index = function(self, key) |
| 21:56.34 | Sstixrud | sorry must of missed a refresh |
| 21:57.30 | Sstixrud | that works, but now my heal and heal sliders dont show up heh hmm looking |
| 21:58.18 | Shirik | aren't metatables fun! |
| 21:58.28 | Sstixrud | :P |
| 21:58.39 | Sstixrud | hey i save like 3 lines :P |
| 21:58.45 | Sstixrud | so yes |
| 21:58.58 | Shirik | it's also much more abstract |
| 21:59.05 | Shirik | instead of hardcoding every possibility |
| 21:59.09 | Sstixrud | yup much easier to modify in the future |
| 21:59.31 | Sstixrud | although I still have the section right below it that I dont think I can adapt this way |
| 22:00.05 | Cide | that could also be abstracted into a table with keys and a loop |
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| 22:05.48 | Sstixrud | hmm it is not creating Sub2ConfigHeal for some reason |
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| 22:06.13 | Sstixrud | but it does create HealBlink, HealDim etc.. |
| 22:06.18 | Cide | the rest of your keys are named ConfigSub2... |
| 22:06.24 | Cide | not Sub2Config |
| 22:06.29 | Garoun|Loupana | has InviteByName(arg) changed? |
| 22:06.35 | Guillotine | has anyone else found anything wierd with MINIMAP_ZONE_CHANGED? It doesn't seem to be triggering anymore |
| 22:06.59 | Garoun|Loupana | doing something as simple as /script InvitByName("Bob"); gives a nil erroreven though there is a bob online |
| 22:07.00 | Sstixrud | sorry I mean UBVAR.DYNVARS.UBConfigSub2Heal |
| 22:07.03 | Cide | Garoun|Loupana: it's now InviteUnit("unitid" or "name") |
| 22:07.08 | Garoun|Loupana | ah ok |
| 22:07.10 | Garoun|Loupana | thanks Cide |
| 22:07.22 | Shirik | yes Gauron it' |
| 22:07.24 | Shirik | damn it |
| 22:07.28 | Garoun|Loupana | :P |
| 22:07.33 | Xenok | hmm somethings wrong with http://wowi.pastey.net/7653 ... I get no errors anymore but I don't get what I want |
| 22:07.35 | Shirik | I'm going back to my stuff >.> |
| 22:07.40 | Cide | Sstixrud: it won't get created unless it's accessed |
| 22:07.51 | Garoun|Loupana | thanks for the attempt Shir |
| 22:08.05 | Shirik | hey did they ever fix that bug |
| 22:08.15 | Shirik | where like, people's name starting with "pet" couldn't be invited? |
| 22:08.30 | Sstixrud | understood but "if UBVAR.DYNVARS.UBConfigSub2Heal[SpellName] then" should count right? |
| 22:08.32 | Shirik | it never affected me so I never bothered to watch for it |
| 22:09.04 | Xenok | shirik: you busy? cuz maybe you could help me with http://wowi.pastey.net/7653 |
| 22:09.16 | Shirik | I am busy but I'll help anyway |
| 22:09.25 | Xenok | um ok :) |
| 22:09.28 | Shirik | what do you want it to do? |
| 22:09.44 | Xenok | display what is in the editbox noteedit |
| 22:09.49 | Garoun|Loupana | I couldn't tell you Shirik, I didn't notice it until last night when someone sent me a tell and nothing happened :P |
| 22:09.49 | Cide | Sstixrud: yes, that would create the table |
| 22:10.05 | Guillotine | so nobodies experienced anything strange with MINIMAP_ZONE_CHANGED? |
| 22:10.15 | Sstixrud | I will run /script if UBVAR.DYNVARS.UBConfigSub2Heal[SpellName] then end and see if it creates it |
| 22:10.36 | Shirik | no offense, but your code doesn't even make sense |
| 22:10.39 | Xenok | lol |
| 22:10.45 | Shirik | notes:Show() ? |
| 22:10.50 | Shirik | and notes is a .. string? |
| 22:10.51 | Xenok | just a sec |
| 22:11.18 | Shirik | the fact that you have bob:SetText(notes); immediately followed by notes:Show(); implies there's a problem |
| 22:11.20 | Xenok | notes is the name of the variable I attempted to create and I didn;t mean to put that call there |
| 22:11.47 | Xenok | accidental copy and paste |
| 22:11.47 | Shirik | did you mean bob:Show(); ? |
| 22:11.52 | Sstixrud | hmmm it does I must of screwed something elseup heh |
| 22:12.08 | Shirik | also you should make the notes in notesave_OnClick local |
| 22:12.17 | Xenok | I don't think that that call should be there :P |
| 22:12.23 | Xenok | hmm |
| 22:12.46 | Sstixrud | Cide your code is fine.. I broke something else :) |
| 22:12.52 | Xenok | type local notesave_OnClick in its own line eh? |
| 22:12.54 | Cide | of course it is! |
| 22:12.58 | Sstixrud | heh |
| 22:13.00 | Shirik | nonono |
| 22:13.05 | Xenok | lol |
| 22:13.16 | Shirik | notes = noteedit:GetText(); |
| 22:13.17 | Shirik | should be local notes |
| 22:13.21 | Xenok | ohh |
| 22:13.35 | Shirik | that's not problematic, but it's pollution |
| 22:13.42 | Xenok | ok then what? |
| 22:13.42 | amro | yes, make sure all your variables are declared local |
| 22:14.07 | Shirik | you really haven't told me what it's supposed to do yet |
| 22:14.14 | Shirik | what is 'bob' ? |
| 22:14.15 | Guillotine | anybody want to look at http://guillotine.pastey.net/7654 quickly? It seems that the event MINIMAP_ZONE_CHANGED is not being called. Was something changed with the event with 2.0? |
| 22:14.18 | Xenok | it says in the comment |
| 22:14.20 | Cide | "do stuff" is what I say when someone asks that, Shirik |
| 22:14.25 | Xenok | -- bob is the name of the fontstring |
| 22:14.32 | Shirik | ok |
| 22:14.37 | Cide | you should use names that make sense :) |
| 22:14.38 | Shirik | so what is 'bob' supposed to do |
| 22:14.43 | Cide | see: programming 101 |
| 22:14.43 | Xenok | i know.. its temp |
| 22:14.45 | Shirik | and don't say do stuff >.> |
| 22:15.27 | Shirik | bob is supposed to show display something? |
| 22:15.50 | Shirik | was it created in xml? |
| 22:15.54 | Xenok | yes |
| 22:15.58 | Shirik | I know I'm throwing a ton of questions out there |
| 22:16.06 | Xenok | I understand why |
| 22:16.15 | Xenok | you need info to know how to help |
| 22:16.37 | Shirik | paste your xml |
| 22:16.49 | Xenok | just a sec |
| 22:17.23 | Sstixrud | heh it was my correcting posion to poison heh |
| 22:17.25 | Xenok | http://wowi.pastey.net/7655 |
| 22:18.25 | Shirik | You should :Show() bob after you set its tex |
| 22:18.26 | Shirik | text* |
| 22:18.32 | amro | Guillotine: I don't think they changed it, best bet is to grab the latest files from wdn.wowinterface.com and see for yourself in the minimap code |
| 22:18.38 | Xenok | true |
| 22:19.41 | Xenok | hmm still nothing |
| 22:19.45 | Xenok | >< |
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| 22:21.44 | Guillotine | interesting. it appears that event was removed. time to fix it on wowwiki |
| 22:23.26 | Xenok | its wierd to shirik cuz i have the variable "notes" saved in my .toc |
| 22:23.56 | Shirik | Use a :SetPoint() and :SetSize() on bob also just to be safe |
| 22:24.14 | amro | call it something else, just to be sane |
| 22:24.19 | Xenok | lol |
| 22:24.23 | Xenok | afk anyway |
| 22:24.24 | Shirik | that too |
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| 22:28.10 | Xenok | i never used :SetPoint and :SetSize... lol I must be bothersome |
| 22:28.18 | Xenok | so I don't know how to use em |
| 22:28.59 | Shirik | there is a way to find out |
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| 22:29.16 | Xenok | im trying lol |
| 22:29.16 | Shirik | http://www.wowwiki.com/Widget_API |
| 22:29.31 | Sstixrud | in my Addon Savevar I am seeing "--[[ skipped entry with table key ]]" in place of a table that should be created |
| 22:29.33 | Sstixrud | any ideas why? |
| 22:29.42 | Shirik | interesting |
| 22:29.52 | Shirik | apparently blizzard refuses to save entries if they have table keys |
| 22:30.13 | Sstixrud | hmm I could of swore this was working earlier |
| 22:30.16 | Shirik | not that you should be using table keys, but it's interesting |
| 22:32.00 | oCladhaire | ... |
| 22:32.02 | oCladhaire | they can't. |
| 22:32.06 | oCladhaire | how woudl it reference them? |
| 22:32.47 | Shirik | hm |
| 22:32.49 | oCladhaire | if you put the constructor in the key, then any reference to it later can't be referenced. |
| 22:33.00 | Shirik | okok :P |
| 22:33.09 | oCladhaire | since you can't reference a key or a value within the constructor itself, which is all a savedvariable is. |
| 22:33.23 | oKirkburn | Good evening oCladhaire |
| 22:33.27 | Shirik | valid argument |
| 22:33.30 | oCladhaire | evening oKirkburn |
| 22:33.44 | Shirik | but what if you had something like |
| 22:33.50 | Shirik | a = { foo } |
| 22:33.51 | oCladhaire | Shirik: If slouken made the serialization process incremental, we could do it, but then we'd lose the optimizations, and load time would be astronomical |
| 22:33.56 | Shirik | then b[a] = { bar } |
| 22:34.07 | Shirik | and yes, I'm not saying at all it would be a good idea |
| 22:34.11 | oCladhaire | its not =) |
| 22:34.15 | oCladhaire | i prormise |
| 22:34.23 | oCladhaire | unless you want realloc hell |
| 22:34.43 | oCladhaire | Moral of the story, you can't save a table entry that has a table value'd key. |
| 22:34.45 | Shirik | it would be absolutely moronic for them to implement it, tbh |
| 22:34.53 | oCladhaire | Shirik: hence why they didn't. |
| 22:34.54 | Shirik | but... it's possible |
| 22:34.59 | oCladhaire | aye |
| 22:35.05 | Sstixrud | all I am trying to do is: "UBVAR.DYNEVENTS.target.ActiveButtons[btn] = {}" =( |
| 22:35.14 | Shirik | is btn a table? |
| 22:35.19 | oCladhaire | i think ckknight has AceComm serializing them propoerly, for communication,. |
| 22:35.31 | Sstixrud | local btn = _G["TargetUnitButton"..j] |
| 22:35.34 | Sstixrud | thats all it is |
| 22:35.39 | Shirik | ok |
| 22:35.42 | Sstixrud | its a frame |
| 22:35.42 | oCladhaire | if its a table or a frame, then you can't save it in a SV |
| 22:35.45 | Shirik | what is _G["TargetUnitButton"..j] |
| 22:35.47 | oCladhaire | so you have to save the name |
| 22:35.47 | Shirik | ok |
| 22:35.52 | oCladhaire | i.e. "TargetUnitButton"..i |
| 22:35.52 | Shirik | that's going to be a problem |
| 22:35.54 | oCladhaire | and resolve it later on. |
| 22:35.55 | Shirik | a frame is a table |
| 22:36.36 | Shirik | don't reference them by the frame |
| 22:36.42 | Shirik | if you _have_ to do it by frame, use f:GetName() |
| 22:37.34 | Cide | or f["Get".."Name"]() |
| 22:37.36 | Cide | to spice it up a bit |
| 22:37.57 | Shirik | why... |
| 22:38.01 | Cide | :) |
| 22:38.02 | amro | that's nicely optimised Cide |
| 22:38.06 | Cide | I thought so too |
| 22:38.15 | Cide | 3 string objects > 1 |
| 22:38.21 | Xenok | Shirik: ... I have it so that (for now anyway) the word "yummy" gets replaced with the :SetText(notes) buuuuut it won't change once I do my little saving thing... |
| 22:38.44 | Xenok | lol |
| 22:38.46 | Shirik | ... huh? |
| 22:38.50 | Xenok | just a sec |
| 22:38.57 | amro | you mean the return value of :SetText, or notes? |
| 22:39.12 | amro | oh wait nvm |
| 22:40.00 | Xenok | I have the word "yummy" there by default .. so when I do my edit box thing. it should rewrite OVER it with the new text.. but the word yummy won't change to my editbox... |
| 22:40.43 | Sstixrud | ok I just created another local var called "local savebtn = "PlayerUnitButton"..j" and use that for the table creation |
| 22:41.02 | amro | erm could you clarify? you mean you type something in an editbox, and you want it to replace text elsewhere? |
| 22:41.28 | Xenok | sorta. I type something in my editbox like "blah" the word Yummy gets replaced with Blah |
| 22:41.33 | Xenok | thats what I want anyway |
| 22:42.09 | amro | where's the word yummy? and paste the relevant code/xml |
| 22:42.17 | Xenok | umm ok |
| 22:43.45 | Xenok | http://wowi.pastey.net/7656 xml .. http://wowi.pastey.net/7657 lua |
| 22:44.26 | Xenok | I think differently than everyone else so thats why i am confusing people |
| 22:48.03 | amro | its because you're using :GetText() on noteedit, which has "yummy" as text |
| 22:48.19 | Xenok | but I didn't have yummy until now |
| 22:48.25 | amro | wait scratch that |
| 22:48.34 | amro | im not thinking right, gimme a sec |
| 22:48.37 | Xenok | lol ok |
| 22:49.10 | Xenok | should I have posted the xml for my editbox too? |
| 22:49.18 | *** part/#wowi-lounge WobWor1 (n=WobWork@202-129-81-206.perm.iinet.net.au) |
| 22:49.23 | amro | your frame and the fontstring have the same name |
| 22:49.27 | Xenok | doh |
| 22:49.31 | Xenok | is that the prob? |
| 22:49.53 | Guillotine | yes. lua doesn't care what type it is. so one is going to override the other |
| 22:50.18 | Xenok | mmmhmm didn't notice that |
| 22:50.24 | amro | also, I would rewrite the lua part |
| 22:50.46 | Xenok | I don't see any other way to do it |
| 22:51.55 | amro | put your :Show() and initialization in your init function |
| 22:52.03 | amro | and http://wowi.pastey.net/7658 |
| 22:52.32 | amro | also, why do you have frame, event, ... as args to your event handler? |
| 22:52.53 | Xenok | oh maybe I wasn't completly clear XD .. I want it to stay there after I log too |
| 22:52.59 | MentalPower|Java | because thats the way to do it |
| 22:53.07 | oCladhaire | amro: Because he coded properly... |
| 22:53.09 | MentalPower|Java | passed args are faster than global lookups |
| 22:53.18 | oCladhaire | and the global ones are deprecated. |
| 22:53.22 | MentalPower|Java | aye |
| 22:53.36 | Shirik | that's ok |
| 22:53.38 | oCladhaire | so the questino is.. why aren't you doing it that way? |
| 22:53.46 | amro | wasn't aware, been awhile since I last worked with WoW addons |
| 22:53.46 | Shirik | for key, value in table has been deprecated for how long? |
| 22:53.50 | Shirik | and how many people used it? |
| 22:53.59 | oCladhaire | because they didn't pay attention |
| 22:54.02 | oCladhaire | doesn't mean its right |
| 22:54.03 | Guillotine | in pairs(table) now |
| 22:54.04 | Shirik | =P |
| 22:54.05 | oCladhaire | it was wrong to behin with. |
| 22:54.10 | Shirik | Guillotine: That's what I meant |
| 22:54.20 | Shirik | Guillotine: The old syntax has been deprecated forever |
| 22:54.21 | Guillotine | oh, ok :P |
| 22:54.31 | oCladhaire | well since 5.0 |
| 22:54.34 | MentalPower|Java | many people banked on it never being removed, they payed dearly for it |
| 22:54.34 | oCladhaire | it was valid in 4.X |
| 22:54.44 | Shirik | that's forever enough for me :P |
| 22:55.10 | MentalPower|Java | and the global *will* be removed eventually |
| 22:55.18 | MentalPower|Java | so you should try your best to not use them |
| 22:55.30 | Shirik | "try your best?" |
| 22:55.35 | Xenok | I want the things that are typed into the edit box to _STAY_ in the frame after I log.. and even type new things |
| 22:55.37 | Shirik | There's no case where you can't use them :P |
| 22:55.46 | Shirik | so try your best should be equivalent to always |
| 22:56.00 | MentalPower|Java | if you hook blizz functions you can use them |
| 22:56.00 | amro | Xenok: you'll want to use SavedVariables |
| 22:56.03 | MentalPower|Java | for now |
| 22:56.14 | Xenok | I tried amro |
| 22:56.15 | Shirik | yeah, I said there's no case where you _can't_ use them |
| 22:56.15 | Xenok | lol |
| 22:56.26 | MentalPower|Java | err... can't |
| 22:56.38 | MentalPower|Java | if you hook blizz functions you can't use em |
| 22:56.39 | Shirik | hmm |
| 22:56.47 | amro | Xenok: and? |
| 22:56.50 | Shirik | they'll fix that eventually |
| 22:56.55 | MentalPower|Java | right |
| 22:57.03 | Xenok | I didn't figure it out |
| 22:57.06 | MentalPower|Java | but currently, you can't |
| 22:57.16 | amro | http://www.wowwiki.com/HOWTO:_Save_Variables_Between_Game_Sessions |
| 22:57.48 | Xenok | ahh ty amro I will try it |
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| 23:08.59 | Xenok | I hate wowwiki. if it made any sence Iwouldn't be here XD.... |
| 23:09.40 | Xenok | like http://www.wowwiki.com/HOWTO:_Save_Variables_Between_Game_Sessions for example |
| 23:10.02 | zenzelezz | if you don't like the wiki, you may be in trouble |
| 23:10.08 | zenzelezz | most of its info is pretty good |
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| 23:10.21 | Xenok | most.. just not the info I need |
| 23:10.23 | Xenok | lol |
| 23:10.41 | amro | that article has exactly what you asked for |
| 23:10.58 | zenzelezz | saved variables are really very simple |
| 23:11.01 | Xenok | I know... but I don't understand it.. give me a few more minute |
| 23:11.32 | WobWork | hm |
| 23:11.42 | WobWork | Tree of life increases healing -received-? |
| 23:11.50 | Cide | yes |
| 23:11.54 | WobWork | I always read it as healing done =\ |
| 23:11.59 | Kaso | i used to be3 |
| 23:12.04 | Kaso | they changed it |
| 23:12.12 | oCladhaire | yeah, boo |
| 23:12.13 | oCladhaire | =/ |
| 23:12.13 | Gnarfoz | which imho makes it even more valuable |
| 23:12.14 | WobWork | oh, and I haven't raided since pre 2.0 =) |
| 23:12.15 | zenzelezz | so it's now much less useful? |
| 23:12.16 | amro | Xenok: reread the article and look at how other addons do it |
| 23:12.24 | WobWork | nah, just put the tree in the MT party =) |
| 23:12.26 | oCladhaire | Gnarfoz: Meh, thats purely a matter of opinino. |
| 23:12.31 | Shirik | yes tree of life is better now :P |
| 23:12.32 | zenzelezz | my imba 30 spirit should give me oh so much more healing |
| 23:12.33 | WobWork | or the dps party |
| 23:12.33 | oCladhaire | WobWork: where: there's no room |
| 23:12.38 | Gnarfoz | and perspective, but that's why I said IMHO ;p |
| 23:12.39 | WobWork | =( |
| 23:12.46 | amro | Xenok: you'll be surprised at how much you can learn just by looking at someone else's code |
| 23:12.58 | WobWork | Unless it's Rowne |
| 23:13.04 | Kaso | zenzelezz its increases healing by the tree's spirit not yours |
| 23:13.04 | oCladhaire | lol |
| 23:13.11 | Xenok | lol yeah... I suppose. but I don't know what code to look at O.o |
| 23:13.11 | WobWork | And then you'll figure you're learning -something- you just can't work out what =) |
| 23:13.28 | zenzelezz | Kaso: then I'm confused about the difference between done and received |
| 23:13.45 | WobWork | It doesn't improve the +healing of a priest/healer |
| 23:13.54 | WobWork | it improves the healing recieved by the target |
| 23:14.00 | zenzelezz | I'm a tank, to me it's all just healing |
| 23:14.03 | WobWork | heeh |
| 23:14.05 | Kaso | the aura increases healing done to people in your party by 25% of your spirit |
| 23:14.07 | Xenok | healing done on you is improved |
| 23:14.17 | WobWork | It's better for the tank |
| 23:14.29 | WobWork | cause it essentially boosts all heals from the entire raid on you |
| 23:14.37 | WobWork | rather than just one party |
| 23:14.44 | zenzelezz | so healing received does not take the penalties +healing can in various circumstances? |
| 23:14.57 | Kaso | hu? |
| 23:15.15 | zenzelezz | nevermind, I'm lost on healing :-p |
| 23:15.33 | Kaso | just think of it like Amp Magic on you, without the +damage recieved part |
| 23:15.54 | WobWork | hm, how -does- +healing recieved work on HoT, spread out over the entire spell as per usual? |
| 23:15.58 | zenzelezz | oh, I see |
| 23:16.21 | Cide | MT, paladin, warlock, druid, shaman/shadow priest |
| 23:16.38 | oCladhaire | yeah, thats the best we've been able to pull |
| 23:16.54 | oCladhaire | it'd be real nice to be able to fit a feral druid in there too =) |
| 23:17.03 | oCladhaire | LoTP can be imba on a well geared tank =) |
| 23:17.03 | Cide | ya |
| 23:17.12 | WobWork | <3 impLoTP |
| 23:17.17 | Cide | shadow priest > * though! |
| 23:17.21 | zenzelezz | what does LotP do again? |
| 23:17.22 | oCladhaire | aye |
| 23:17.30 | WobWork | 5%? heal on crits |
| 23:17.31 | Xenok | ok I don't understand savingvariables lol I feel dumb |
| 23:17.34 | oCladhaire | zenzelezz: heals 4% of health on any critm every 6 seconds. |
| 23:17.43 | WobWork | and that's total health =) |
| 23:17.43 | oCladhaire | which can crit =) |
| 23:17.46 | zenzelezz | right, that one; that is good |
| 23:18.04 | oCladhaire | 640 hp every six seconds isn't that shabby =) |
| 23:18.08 | oCladhaire | assuming a high crit rate :P |
| 23:18.11 | WobWork | aye |
| 23:18.19 | WobWork | nifty HoT for a feral =) |
| 23:18.55 | Gnarfoz | wasn't one of those reactive heals recently nerfed to not be able to crit anymore? |
| 23:19.05 | oCladhaire | in 5 mans leveling, i did 20% of the healing in a hunter/rogue/warrior/druid/priest group |
| 23:19.12 | oCladhaire | Gnarfoz: Vampiric Embrace was |
| 23:19.20 | subbot | imp lotp can no longer crit |
| 23:19.22 | oCladhaire | as the tank |
| 23:19.24 | oCladhaire | subbot: oh noes |
| 23:19.30 | oCladhaire | i must have missed that, heh |
| 23:19.34 | oCladhaire | well mark of conquest still does |
| 23:19.37 | Gnarfoz | subbot: that's what I thought, too ;> |
| 23:19.51 | zenzelezz | I saw a healing potion crit on me once... but can't remember ever seeing it again :-| |
| 23:20.15 | Gnarfoz | that's not so unsual, though? |
| 23:20.31 | zenzelezz | to me it was |
| 23:20.40 | Gnarfoz | heh |
| 23:20.54 | zenzelezz | but usually when I use potions I'm getting spammed with heals anyway, so hard to see which is which |
| 23:20.59 | subbot | Mana pots and healthstones can crit |
| 23:21.37 | Gnarfoz | zenzelezz: enable healer's name display in ... in whatever you use to see what's coming in ;> |
| 23:22.06 | Xenok | I STILL don't get saving variables |
| 23:22.34 | Gnarfoz | how do you not? ## SavedVariables: <variable names> |
| 23:22.47 | Xenok | no I mean the aditional parts |
| 23:22.55 | zenzelezz | Gnarfoz: too much info =) I've got my MSBT set to split the messages between four "panels", damage taken, healing taken, buffs/debuff, damage done |
| 23:23.18 | Gnarfoz | zenzelezz: huh. dunno about msbt, I'm a sct guy ^^ |
| 23:23.30 | zenzelezz | it's mostly the same thing under a different name |
| 23:23.32 | Xenok | I have ## SavedVariables: <variable names> but I don't get the varriables creation like part O.o |
| 23:23.34 | Gnarfoz | but I can agree on too much info |
| 23:23.51 | Gnarfoz | it's easy to enable displaying of too much stuff ;D |
| 23:25.06 | Xenok | like the if ((event == "ADDON_LOADED") and (arg1 == "Demo")) then etc parts |
| 23:30.35 | Kaso | ok Xenok, listen up, When you do ## SavedVariables: <variable names> the WoW UI will automatically save the content of that variable to a file whenever the client Logs out, then, to let you know when that variable has been restored into the game, the event "ADDON_LOADED" will be called with arg1 equal to the name of your addon, So, you have to Register that event, only after it fires can you be sure that your variables are correctly loaded, and |
| 23:30.35 | Kaso | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:37.12 | Xenok | was afk |
| 23:37.39 | Xenok | hmm |
| 23:37.44 | Xenok | I think I get it |
| 23:37.57 | Kaso | thats good |
| 23:40.30 | Xenok | is http://wowi.pastey.net/7661 the right layout for a variable "notes"? |
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| 23:45.37 | Xenok | is http://wowi.pastey.net/7661 the right layout for a variable "notes"? |
| 23:46.20 | Kaso | Thats not right |
| 23:46.25 | Xenok | didn't think so >< |
| 23:46.32 | Kaso | what do you have listed as your saved variable? |
| 23:46.35 | Xenok | notes |
| 23:47.09 | Kaso | ok lemme show you some code then |
| 23:47.19 | Xenok | er ok |
| 23:51.42 | Kaso | http://wowi.pastey.net/7662 |
| 23:51.54 | Kaso | hmm wait |
| 23:51.59 | Kaso | noteedit is a editbox |
| 23:52.03 | Kaso | damn hold on |
| 23:52.05 | Xenok | lol |
| 23:53.21 | Kaso | http://wowi.pastey.net/7663 |
| 23:53.35 | Kaso | you need to register your frame for addon_loaded and player_leaving_world |
| 23:53.49 | Kaso | itll save the content of the box on exit and restore on enter |
| 23:54.39 | Xenok | hmm |
| 23:55.09 | Xenok | what is with MyAddon_Notes = "" ? |
| 23:55.20 | Kaso | thats the saved variable |
| 23:55.33 | Xenok | ok |
| 23:56.24 | Kaso | To be honest that intilastion isnt really needed but it helps understand whats going on |
