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| 00:22.02 | sysrage | are there any mods where you can like hold ctrl-alt and it'll pop up like a mini hotbar under your cursor where you could use health stones, trinkets, or whatever? |
| 00:22.55 | Lej | anyone know if you can have multiple colors on the same line in a tooltip? |
| 00:23.52 | sysrage | i'd assume so since auctioneer colors gold/silver/etc different colors |
| 00:24.20 | Lej | but auctioneer uses it's own tooltip window thingy? |
| 00:24.55 | sysrage | *shrug* |
| 00:26.16 | Shadowed | yeah you can, you just don't use SetTextColor |
| 00:26.30 | Kirkburn|afk | Anyone got a Wii code they want to share with me? |
| 00:30.26 | Lej | shadowed: I used AddDoubleLine() but what i want is, <green text> <white text> <orange text> |
| 00:30.46 | Lej | so I nevver used settextcolor :/ |
| 00:31.03 | kaso | Lej, |
| 00:31.17 | kaso | you need to use |cffrrggbbColored Text|r |
| 00:31.25 | kaso | where rr gg bb are hex |
| 00:33.59 | Lej | ah ok, like in wc3 |
| 00:34.25 | kaso | really? didnt know that. |
| 00:34.29 | Lej | ff is alpha? |
| 00:34.32 | kaso | Yes it is |
| 00:34.52 | Lej | 00 is totaly transparent? |
| 00:34.57 | kaso | yup |
| 00:35.44 | Kirkburn|afk | My Wii code - 6685 6650 2343 4699 |
| 00:36.06 | Nom- | good moaning... |
| 00:38.05 | Cairenn | hi Nom- |
| 00:39.00 | Nom- | How are you Cairenn ? |
| 00:39.11 | Cairenn | doing okay, yourself? |
| 00:41.47 | Shirik|Nap | hi Nom- |
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| 00:44.49 | Tain | I went to see Zodiac today. It was pretty good. |
| 00:45.12 | bleetah | wtf |
| 00:45.26 | bleetah | WinME Windows Update reckons I'm on a Mac |
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| 00:46.43 | leethal | go go winme |
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| 00:55.13 | Guillotine | quickly, what is the best song to play over vent to annoy your guild? |
| 00:55.17 | Guillotine | I'm thinking maybe the llama song |
| 00:55.43 | zenzelezz | something by Celine Dion |
| 00:58.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | Eric Cartman's rendition of come sail away is ear-drum rupturing |
| 00:59.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | especially through vent |
| 01:01.17 | zenzelezz | maybe Rosa Helikopter |
| 01:02.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://youtube.com/watch?v=bbNJJ_sG_7E if you want something to kill some ears, guillo |
| 01:02.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | also pictures of boats |
| 01:03.24 | Guillotine | hmm. now how do I play that over vent? not a wav file :( |
| 01:04.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | set input to stereo mix i'd say |
| 01:05.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | test it in a loopback first though |
| 01:05.15 | Lej | can you set the fontsize used for my added lines in tooltip somehow too? |
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| 01:34.10 | bleetah | Mah Nà Mah Nà |
| 01:36.14 | PProvost | You know... the search feature on wowi could use some work. It always seems that when I'm looking for something, searching for it by name, I always end up finding it on the second page of results. Even when I have the name exactly right. :( |
| 01:36.19 | bleetah | PProvost: last I heard, it was being worked on |
| 01:36.30 | PProvost | Yeah... just venting. |
| 01:38.16 | leethal | yes.. yes indeed |
| 01:38.21 | leethal | the second page stuff is.. weird! |
| 01:38.32 | leethal | pretty much every single time I search, it ends up on page two |
| 01:38.52 | leethal | the tagging system on curse gaming is cool.. they should get something like that |
| 01:44.36 | PProvost | Tagging is very nice. So is just recognizing that a hit on the name field counts more than a hit on the description field. :) |
| 01:46.02 | Nom- | PProvost: I've noticed that too |
| 01:46.09 | Nom- | The "search" function is really nasty for that |
| 01:46.34 | Nom- | I think the problem is that it's not a scoring based search |
| 01:46.37 | Nom- | It's just a plain old search |
| 01:46.41 | Cairenn | (2/28/07 1:06:35 AM) Cairenn: he is, it's pretty well done, full boolean search, he just has to give it the pretty front end yet |
| 01:47.05 | bleetah | I suspect it's more a problem of lack of hours in the day and no-one paying to do it |
| 01:47.34 | Tain | Booleans are a myth! They don't exist! |
| 01:47.36 | bleetah | ah, yes, thx cairren. i recall you saying something like that, but didn't wanna trawl through my own logs to find it :) |
| 01:47.45 | Cairenn | that is re dolby-wowi doing a new search engine |
| 01:48.27 | Cairenn | and it's fully about there just not being enough hours in the day |
| 01:48.42 | PProvost | I so understand that. :) As I said...just venting. |
| 01:48.53 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 01:49.08 | Cairenn | not upset, just letting you guys know it *is* coming |
| 01:49.29 | Nom- | ah, if you go Search => Advaned Search => Search by File Name |
| 01:49.33 | Nom- | It seems much better :) |
| 01:49.48 | Cairenn | aye, advanced search is better, obviously |
| 01:50.38 | Nom- | I reckon if you changed the quick search to do a search by name (and show those first) and THEN a search by description, it'd be much easier |
| 01:51.01 | Tain | I'm so far advanced. |
| 01:59.56 | leethal | perhaps something more web 2.0 look-ish |
| 02:02.14 | leethal | anyone agrees/disagrees? |
| 02:02.49 | Nom- | But then, I believe any web site not using XML + XSLT is old |
| 02:02.55 | leethal | ok, I did not mean web 2-0-ish in functionality |
| 02:03.04 | leethal | just a bit more.. clean and cool and.. well.. |
| 02:03.22 | leethal | like wowhead.com. Those kind of clean looks |
| 02:03.24 | Shadowed | I like WoWI's interface, it's a little bit confusing at times but rather it over curses |
| 02:03.49 | Nom- | any web site i build from now on is going to be XML+XSLT ^_^ |
| 02:03.59 | Nom- | I lurve that stuff |
| 02:04.32 | leethal | yes, I totally agree that wowi > curse |
| 02:04.40 | leethal | (apart from the soon to be fixed search) |
| 02:05.07 | leethal | then again, it looks a lot like wow |
| 02:05.15 | leethal | and the wow default ui - which is kinda cool |
| 02:05.28 | Cairenn | that was how it was supposed to look |
| 02:05.52 | leethal | imo wows ui doesn't look all to great, though |
| 02:06.21 | leethal | perhaps when you're in the wow universe, but on the web it gives a bit of a dull impression |
| 02:07.14 | leethal | also, I do not think I meant the "overhaul" part.. some minor tweaks, kind of |
| 02:07.42 | bleetah | maybe you could recode WoWI using XML+XLST and some greasemonkey jive if you don't like it ;) |
| 02:08.03 | bleetah | of course, that screws over people on IE7.. but .. who cares? :-P |
| 02:08.31 | Nom- | What does ? |
| 02:08.37 | Nom- | IE5.5+ supports XSLT |
| 02:08.42 | bleetah | greasemonkey |
| 02:08.47 | Shadowed | the interface is fine anyway, not sure why people would want to change it majorly! |
| 02:09.14 | Cairenn | rebooting, brb |
| 02:09.59 | leethal | I don't want that either |
| 02:10.07 | leethal | minor tweak to looks, that's all |
| 02:10.40 | bleetah | use FF, code the L&F changes for yourself in greasemonkey.. upload the script to WoWI. they might even open up a greasemonkey category for you :) |
| 02:10.52 | leethal | ftw |
| 02:11.38 | leethal | I almost forgot greasemonkey existed |
| 02:11.41 | bleetah | the greasemonkey script for removing the WoW forum URL interceptor works great, fwiw |
| 02:11.55 | bleetah | it's usually the third or fourth extension I install |
| 02:12.42 | bleetah | noscript, adblock, proxyswitcher.. yeah 4th greasemonkey, firebug. |
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| 02:19.58 | Kirkburn|afk | The long, dark reboot of the soul |
| 02:21.01 | Cairenn | bleh, my computer is trying to die on me, one of these times it just isn't going to reboot - I thought it was going to be this time but it finally started |
| 02:22.00 | Kirkburn|afk | Phew! |
| 02:23.24 | Tain | heh that's one of the best lines I've read in a while, Kirkburn. Long, dark reboot of the soul. |
| 02:23.48 | Kirkburn|afk | =) |
| 02:27.07 | bleetah | rofl |
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| 02:35.49 | oSioraiocht | lalala |
| 02:36.01 | Cairenn | hey sioraiocht :) |
| 02:36.13 | Nom- | hmm anyone have a page witha list of all the /silly jokes ? |
| 02:36.27 | sioraiocht | sounds like a good project for ya, Nom - |
| 02:37.07 | sioraiocht | hi Cairenn |
| 02:40.00 | leethal | hey, yeah |
| 02:40.07 | leethal | let's make wowwiki.com/Silly right away |
| 02:40.30 | leethal | yay, it's already there |
| 02:40.37 | leethal | not much content, though |
| 02:41.00 | leethal | I'll do horde, someone else do alliance? ; ) |
| 02:41.17 | Nom- | http://www.wowwiki.com/Joke |
| 02:41.19 | Nom- | woot found it |
| 02:41.42 | leethal | yay |
| 02:42.22 | sysrage | lol Cide's level flying script has gotten me killed at least 6 times today. keep hittin the wrong dang modifier and falling to my death |
| 02:42.33 | sioraiocht | hahahahahah |
| 02:44.36 | sysrage | funny, but not -that- funny |
| 02:45.14 | bleetah | only if you're the one doing the dieing :-P |
| 02:48.42 | Nom- | "When we arrived here I lost many jewels that had been in my family for generations. If you could get your hands on my family jewels I would be deeply appreciative." |
| 02:48.45 | Nom- | lol |
| 02:51.47 | Kirkburn|afk | Nom-, you beat me, I was just gonna tell you about that page |
| 02:52.06 | Kirkburn|afk | See, I keep telling you WoWWiki is awesome, but ya just don't wanna believe! :P |
| 02:54.16 | bleetah | Kirkburn|afk: I think Nom-'s lack of belief comes from living in a city on the edge of a freakin' huge desert. Scepticism is natural 'Is it gunna rain?' 'Ummm..' 'Does the rest of the country really care about us' 'Ummm' ... 'Are there *really* other towns out there, or are they all just figments of our imagination' ....'Ummm' :P |
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| 02:55.05 | kaiden | Hey, anyone play a 70 lock? Is Seed of Corruption bugged? it looks horribly buggy to me but i dont know if that's just me |
| 02:55.51 | Nom- | bugged, how ? |
| 02:56.15 | kaiden | as in it's supposed to last 18 seconds then explode, it for me lasts less than 3 seconds and explodes and 75% of the time doesn't do damage |
| 02:56.25 | Arrowmaster | thats not how it works |
| 02:56.28 | Kirkburn|afk | bleetah, lol |
| 02:56.28 | kaiden | Sometimes it does most of the time it doesn't |
| 02:57.09 | Kirkburn|afk | 18 seconds then explode? |
| 02:57.14 | Kirkburn|afk | That's not what the tooltip says |
| 02:57.19 | kaiden | yes it is |
| 02:57.28 | Kirkburn|afk | It wasn't last time I looked |
| 02:57.33 | Arrowmaster | its not |
| 02:57.48 | Arrowmaster | it blows up after 1044 damage |
| 02:58.05 | Kirkburn|afk | "Imbeds a demon seed in the enemy target, causing 1500 Shadow damage over 18 sec. When the target takes 2500 total damage, the seed will detonate, inflicting Shadow damage to all enemies within 10 yards of the target." |
| 02:58.06 | Arrowmaster | from any source (besides other seed of corruptions) |
| 02:58.11 | Kirkburn|afk | Ignore the numbers |
| 02:58.31 | Kirkburn|afk | Ah, got a better one |
| 02:58.34 | Kirkburn|afk | (silly thottbot) |
| 02:58.35 | Kirkburn|afk | Imbeds a demon seed in the enemy target, causing 1044 Shadow damage over 18 sec. When the target takes 1044 total damage or dies, the seed will inflict 1110 to 1290 Shadow damage to all other enemies within 15 yards of the target. Only one Corruption spell per Warlock can be active on any one target. |
| 02:58.43 | kaiden | AHHH Arrow.. i guess i misunderstood it then |
| 02:59.09 | kaiden | i thought it meant when it's duration is done |
| 03:01.02 | kaiden | so if the mob takes 1044 dmg from the point at which the effect touches the mob, it explodes? |
| 03:01.15 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 03:01.47 | Arrowmaster | but the explosion wont damage it and wont count as part of the 1044 dmg to other targets with seed of corruption on them |
| 03:01.56 | kaiden | that's the weird thing, sometimes it does damage it |
| 03:01.57 | Arrowmaster | also explodes when it dies |
| 03:02.11 | kaiden | but at least now i understand how it works |
| 03:02.13 | kaiden | sorry about that |
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| 03:37.28 | JoshBorke | purl, hug Cairenn |
| 03:37.33 | purl | ACTION hugs Cairenn tightly until Cairenn turns slightly blue |
| 03:37.36 | Cairenn | purl, hug JoshBorke |
| 03:37.37 | purl | ACTION sneaks up on JoshBorke and suddenly hugs JoshBorke tightly |
| 03:37.44 | JoshBorke | k, night :-D |
| 03:37.49 | Cairenn | sweet dreams |
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| 03:48.34 | Mortius | hello all |
| 03:49.02 | Cairenn | hi |
| 03:49.09 | Mortius | anyone here know anything about using playermodel to add 3D models in the game? |
| 03:51.05 | leethal | I suggest taking a look at mods that do that |
| 03:51.15 | leethal | "adapt" for instance |
| 03:51.41 | Mortius | I have looked at MazzleUI. I have no clue how to read his code. It's all calls to functions and no actual code.. |
| 03:52.05 | Mortius | I got it to work for about half of the mobs in the game. |
| 03:52.20 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4729 |
| 03:52.26 | Mortius | but half of them are either way too big, or not in frame. it only automatically centers and adjusts for certain mobs |
| 03:52.40 | Mortius | downloading, thanks :D |
| 03:53.51 | Mortius | oooh, okay yeah I've looked at that one. He uses "camera 0" where it shows the profile view... which works.. but not for full body shots like I was going for. |
| 03:54.14 | Mortius | I can make the 3D model profiles no problem. I was trying to do something like MazzleUI |
| 03:54.52 | Mortius | I honestly think he went and made a custom camera for every mob that doesn't work right automatically.. @.@ |
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| 03:55.56 | Cairenn | sounds about right, yup |
| 03:56.34 | Mortius | pretty amazing. I've done a couple, but then when viewing on my other computer they were still wrong. It's not only per mob, but apparently also by screen resolution/aspect. |
| 03:58.44 | Cairenn | yup - all the controversy aside, he did actually do a pretty impressive job |
| 03:59.02 | Mortius | ooh there was a controversy? |
| 03:59.16 | Mortius | I must of missed that haha. |
| 03:59.35 | Cairenn | that mod was nothing _but_ controversy from the very first day it appeared on the site |
| 03:59.49 | Mortius | people claiming stolen code? |
| 04:00.03 | Mortius | or because it uses about 100 mods? |
| 04:00.06 | Cairenn | no, just stuff, repeatedly and ongoing |
| 04:00.28 | Cairenn | the fact it was in closed beta for so long |
| 04:00.51 | Cairenn | some people saying he was making you pay to use it |
| 04:00.58 | Cairenn | copyright issues |
| 04:01.00 | Cairenn | the list goes on |
| 04:01.09 | Mortius | ah, I see.. |
| 04:01.25 | Mortius | well it's been my favorite UI so far. |
| 04:01.31 | Cairenn | the whole mazzlegasm fiasco |
| 04:01.54 | Mortius | I heard something about that.. or saw a mod that said "no more mazzlegasms" .. wtf? |
| 04:02.58 | Cairenn | not even going there, the controversy has _finally_ subsided, damned if I'm going to start it up again |
| 04:03.34 | Mortius | lol, alright. I know nothing about it, just saw a mod that "stopped the mazzlegasms"... no clue what it was about. |
| 04:04.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | When you install it or update it (which happens quite frequently), it takes control of your character, and forces you to /yell "I've had an intense Mazzlegasm" across an entire zone. |
| 04:04.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | /shrug |
| 04:04.33 | Cairenn | not any longer |
| 04:04.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | ah |
| 04:04.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | i didn't know what it was |
| 04:04.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | so i was looking it up |
| 04:04.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | found some guy whining about it on his blog |
| 04:05.13 | Cairenn | you serious? |
| 04:05.23 | Mortius | heh, kinda funny.. I was googling it myself. |
| 04:05.31 | Mortius | you saved me the trouble. |
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| 04:06.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've never understood the point of whining about voluntary addons |
| 04:06.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | if you don't like it, don't use it O_o |
| 04:07.14 | leethal | you could also say "i've never understood the point of whining about *" |
| 04:07.44 | Sole | whos whining about what? |
| 04:08.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | some guy whining about the mazzlegasms on his blog, how i figured out wtf they were :p |
| 04:08.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | some things are worth complaining about, but other peoples' addons they do for fun and personal enjoyment aren't fair game for whining to them |
| 04:09.14 | leethal | now you're whining =P |
| 04:09.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | sure, i'll let mod authors know when run into bugs, but i try to avoid whining about it :p |
| 04:09.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'll just be like, "oh hey, you know about blah blah erroring?" |
| 04:10.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | or pester them if i know them more, like AL, i'll complain that sky keeps breaking cosmos whenever i encounter a minor bug :p |
| 04:10.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | he hasn't had sky in cosmos in a year or so now |
| 04:11.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm itching to get into a raid though so i can /necb wipe :p |
| 04:13.39 | Nom- | Does anyone have a page explaining the TBC raid progression? |
| 04:13.45 | Nom- | With 6-7 25-mans, i'm lost lol |
| 04:14.14 | leethal | wowwiki wins there |
| 04:25.46 | Nom- | Or Mag an epix pinata like Ony ? |
| 04:25.50 | Nom- | Or not that easy? |
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| 04:46.01 | Mortius | its this block of code that makes me think he set up individual cameras.. i can't tell exactly what this is doing... http://wowi.pastey.net/8170 |
| 04:46.34 | Cairenn | he did |
| 04:46.53 | Mortius | okay, that's all I needed to know. Never going to do that. lol |
| 04:47.19 | Cairenn | that was part of why it was in closed beta for so long, because he had to get camera angles for every single mob/npc in game |
| 04:47.47 | Mortius | wow.. just wow. |
| 04:47.49 | Nom- | gah, i actually dislike those cameras for characters |
| 04:47.59 | Nom- | I prefer the dull portaits |
| 04:48.12 | Cairenn | I like adapt |
| 04:48.18 | Mortius | yeah adapt is nice. |
| 04:48.45 | Mortius | I dunno, I like the way the models animate on hits and stuff. kinda nice. |
| 04:49.07 | Mortius | but that is WAY too much work. |
| 04:49.13 | Cairenn | adapt is great because it works with pretty much any unitframe out there, including default |
| 04:49.50 | Mortius | yeah that is very nice. I still run it with mazzle, so like inspect windows and such are still animated. |
| 04:51.37 | Sstixrud | ugh I can't find anyway to detect that my spell failed to cast due to a more powerful spell on the unit... |
| 04:52.28 | Sstixrud | well that isn't quite true.. I can detect it if I parse the log, but I cannot detect which unit and what spell caused it to fail |
| 04:52.52 | Nom- | That's one thing I can't do with AG_UnitFrames actually |
| 04:53.00 | Nom- | I can't get it to turn off the animated portraits |
| 04:53.07 | Nom- | bloody waste of CPU cycles :) |
| 04:56.12 | Shirik | Nom-! |
| 04:56.35 | Nom- | Shirik! |
| 04:56.45 | Shirik | I think this works, want to test? :P |
| 04:58.02 | Nom- | I can test via Remote Desktop, sure :) |
| 04:58.36 | Thunder_Child | you rdp to play wow? |
| 04:58.52 | Nom- | no of course not lol |
| 04:58.58 | Nom- | i can remote desktop to test the updater tho |
| 04:59.06 | Nom- | But i can't load WoW until I get home |
| 04:59.10 | Thunder_Child | oh....heh i didnt read all the way up |
| 04:59.44 | Thunder_Child | hmmm...i might try to rdp to play wow |
| 05:00.11 | Thunder_Child | my work has an OC12 so bandwith isnt a problem |
| 05:02.06 | Shirik | I take it back.... the C program is terminating early |
| 05:02.08 | Shirik | wtf >.> |
| 05:02.35 | Sstixrud | OC12... bah we only have 100Mbit until next month... then we will have 1Gbit :) |
| 05:02.36 | Mortius | I wrote my awesome updater in visual basic casue im noooooooob. |
| 05:06.15 | Mortius | My mod does like 5 things yet it has an updater. and a 1mb texture. /flex. |
| 05:07.15 | Mortius | speaking of that, will 1mb textures cause problems? |
| 05:15.19 | Nom- | ph34r my 4GBps link |
| 05:15.51 | Nom- | Pity the rest of the internet can't keep up :( |
| 05:22.57 | Nom- | HAHAHA |
| 05:23.03 | Nom- | I was wondering what the background noise was |
| 05:23.14 | Nom- | Turns out I had WinAmp running through my RDP connection |
| 05:23.21 | Nom- | At the same time as I had WinAmp running locally |
| 05:27.05 | Cairenn | night guys |
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| 06:05.52 | Nom- | yay for streaming MP3s |
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| 06:17.03 | Nom- | ROFL |
| 06:17.12 | Nom- | The Sig generator at jebus.geek.nz is down |
| 06:17.24 | Nom- | 40,000 hits per hour, their host disabled the folder |
| 06:24.01 | Nom- | <ShaggyShaggs> heh, my grandmother amused me earlier |
| 06:24.02 | Nom- | <ShaggyShaggs> I got up, got dressed, took a leak, washed my face, got out of the bathroom and mom's there holding the phone telling me it's for me |
| 06:24.05 | Nom- | <ShaggyShaggs> I grab the phone and mutter "Is this more important than coffee?" |
| 06:24.08 | Nom- | <ShaggyShaggs> and my grandmother says "Nothing is more important than coffee, call me back later" |
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| 06:37.52 | Nom- | <Kirkburn> Shouldn't RCs be called Gamma? |
| 06:37.53 | Nom- | <Maldivia> in Microsoft's case: RC = Alpha, Release = Beta, Service Pack 1 = RC, Service Pack 2 = Release |
| 06:38.13 | Kirkburn|afk | How old is that!? |
| 06:38.28 | Nom- | probably not you |
| 06:38.33 | Nom- | Just a random quote from bash.org :) |
| 06:39.31 | Kirkburn|afk | I am the only Kirkburn in the world |
| 06:39.39 | Kirkburn|afk | It's me :) |
| 06:39.48 | Nom- | lol SRSLY ? |
| 06:39.52 | Kirkburn|afk | Yup |
| 06:40.11 | Nom- | Then you've been imortalised on bash.org :) |
| 06:40.25 | Kirkburn|afk | Who else would be talking about /Microsoft/ with /Maldivia/? :P |
| 06:40.41 | Shirik | gamma actually does exist :/ |
| 06:40.43 | Kirkburn|afk | Where is Maldivia anyway? |
| 06:40.47 | Kirkburn|afk | ~seen Maldivia |
| 06:41.16 | purl | maldivia <i=the_real@85.24.43.48> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 49d 16h 16m 38s ago, saying: 'http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=69997047&sid=1'. |
| 06:41.16 | Kirkburn|afk | Nom-, gimme a link :) |
| 06:41.16 | Nom- | http://www.bash.org/?729963 |
| 06:41.53 | Kirkburn|afk | Next stop is checking the channel logs I guess :P |
| 06:42.00 | Shirik | well bash is always way behind :P |
| 06:42.18 | Kirkburn|afk | I feel famous, ooh |
| 06:43.02 | Kirkburn|afk | Must be a while ago if I was that noobish, heh |
| 06:45.47 | bleetah | http://www.bash.org/?9092 |
| 06:45.52 | bleetah | I can't remember when that was |
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| 06:47.48 | DemoXin | hey, ive heard there are UI addons that switch ur main hand weapon with a weapon in ur inv |
| 06:47.54 | DemoXin | anyone know any good ones? |
| 06:48.33 | Shirik | um |
| 06:48.38 | Shirik | why do you need an addon to do that? |
| 06:48.58 | DemoXin | for my rogue |
| 06:49.10 | Shirik | I think you missed the point |
| 06:49.10 | DemoXin | im sub spec, but sinister striking with a dagger = ewww |
| 06:49.14 | Shirik | you can do that without an addon |
| 06:49.23 | DemoXin | yes, but not quickly like an addon does |
| 06:49.32 | Shirik | define "quickly" |
| 06:49.37 | DemoXin | right after i ambush |
| 06:49.41 | Shirik | that's impossible |
| 06:49.53 | Shirik | you have to push a button to be able to equip an item |
| 06:50.01 | Shirik | it requires a hardware event |
| 06:50.09 | Shirik | you can ambush, then push a button |
| 06:50.16 | Shirik | and have that button be a macro to equip |
| 06:50.26 | DemoXin | okay, then yes, thatll work |
| 06:50.37 | DemoXin | can i have the same macro undo it after i fight? |
| 06:50.37 | Shirik | the macro you want would be /equip <name of dagger> |
| 06:50.38 | Shirik | that's it |
| 06:50.43 | Shirik | hmm |
| 06:50.52 | Shirik | you could do /castsequence <name of dagger 1>, <name of dagger 2> |
| 06:50.55 | Shirik | I'm pretty sure that would work |
| 06:51.11 | Shirik | push it once it switches, push it again it switches back |
| 06:51.39 | DemoXin | now is there a way i can assign that to a key thats not on my number keys? |
| 06:51.47 | DemoXin | such as maybe \ |
| 06:54.42 | Shirik | do /script SetBindingMacro("KEY", "MacroName"); |
| 06:54.59 | DemoXin | um, yeah |
| 06:55.06 | DemoXin | apparently u cant switch weapons while in combat |
| 06:55.13 | DemoXin | so that really defeats the purpose... |
| 06:55.14 | Shirik | sure you can |
| 06:55.26 | DemoXin | u can? |
| 06:55.30 | Shirik | weapons are the only thing you can equip mid-combat |
| 06:55.37 | DemoXin | okay |
| 06:56.06 | DemoXin | so /castsequence The Vanquisher, Hypnotic Blade |
| 06:56.36 | DemoXin | then /script SetBindingMacro("\", "weaponswitch") |
| 06:56.43 | Shirik | yup |
| 06:56.46 | DemoXin | i know that the /script one goes into the chat box |
| 06:56.59 | DemoXin | and the /castsequence goes into a macro |
| 06:57.15 | DemoXin | now, will i have to reset that macro everytime i start wow? |
| 06:57.21 | DemoXin | the binding that is |
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| 06:57.35 | Shirik | no |
| 06:57.38 | Dhraga | morning all |
| 06:57.42 | DemoXin | morning |
| 06:57.46 | Shirik | morning |
| 06:57.47 | DemoXin | alrighty, thanks a lot |
| 06:57.55 | DemoXin | now ot go turn in my quest |
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| 07:18.06 | DemoXin | okay |
| 07:18.14 | DemoXin | i tried to use the /script part |
| 07:18.19 | DemoXin | its giving an error. |
| 07:18.30 | DemoXin | ")" expected near 'weaponswitch' |
| 07:18.44 | DemoXin | im putting the closing ) |
| 07:18.57 | Shirik | then you typed it wrong |
| 07:19.14 | DemoXin | - /script SetBindingMacro("\", "weaponswitch") |
| 07:19.16 | DemoXin | minus the - |
| 07:19.18 | Shirik | oh |
| 07:19.20 | Shirik | I know what it is |
| 07:19.25 | Shirik | use \\ instead of \ |
| 07:19.31 | DemoXin | okay |
| 07:19.35 | Shirik | long story I dont' want to try to explain why, just trust me :P |
| 07:19.55 | Nom- | lol this is a good one |
| 07:19.59 | Nom- | The delay is for effect |
| 07:20.03 | Nom- | <NHBoy> I broke my G-string while fingering a minor :( |
| 07:20.03 | Nom- | <rycool> ... |
| 07:20.11 | Shirik | haha |
| 07:20.13 | Nom- | <NHBoy> I was trying to play Knocking on Heaven's Door. |
| 07:20.13 | Nom- | <NHBoy> Oh well, time to buy new strings. |
| 07:21.00 | DemoXin | oh, i get it |
| 07:21.05 | DemoXin | i script php |
| 07:21.12 | Shirik | ah, same deal then |
| 07:21.30 | DemoXin | the \ tells the script to treat the second \ as a literal |
| 07:21.54 | Shirik | yup; the backslash is called the "escape character," and \\ is an "escape sequence" |
| 07:22.02 | DemoXin | im good with several scripting languages, LUA just isnt one of them |
| 07:22.13 | DemoXin | lol |
| 07:22.23 | DemoXin | alrighty, thanx again |
| 07:22.26 | DemoXin | works like a charm |
| 07:22.36 | Shirik | np |
| 07:22.39 | DemoXin | wait though |
| 07:22.43 | DemoXin | okay, next question |
| 07:22.54 | DemoXin | can i set up a macro to replace my ambush hotkey |
| 07:23.01 | DemoXin | so that it will cast ambush, then use the macro? |
| 07:23.15 | Shirik | due to server latency it won't act as you want it to |
| 07:23.25 | DemoXin | cuz im stupid and ill forget to hit the \ |
| 07:23.31 | Shirik | hmm |
| 07:23.35 | Shirik | actually I guess you could do something like |
| 07:23.53 | Shirik | do /castsequence Ambush, Dagger 1, Dagger 2 |
| 07:23.58 | Shirik | but you'd have to hit it twice still |
| 07:24.11 | DemoXin | eh, ill jsut have to get into the habit then |
| 07:24.38 | DemoXin | once i do it for a couple of days, or actualy remembering, ill do it by habit |
| 07:24.46 | DemoXin | anyways, thanks |
| 07:24.51 | Shirik | no problem |
| 07:25.10 | DemoXin | i finally got my vanquisher's sword, so i figured it was time to setup my switch |
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| 07:26.06 | bleetah | tt |
| 07:26.09 | bleetah | mt |
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| 07:30.27 | Shirik | If I cast a spell with inner focus, does that still reset the 5SR? |
| 07:30.49 | JoshBorke | think so |
| 07:32.15 | Shirik | also didn't inner focus used to be a 10 min CD? |
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| 07:52.28 | Nom- | http://www.bash.org/?177638 |
| 07:52.29 | Nom- | LOL |
| 08:02.12 | batrick | http://www.bash.org/?23396 |
| 08:02.14 | batrick | personal favorite |
| 08:03.26 | Shirik | nah, this was always the best:http://www.bash.org/?207373 |
| 08:03.52 | bleetah | http://gaim.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/gaim/trunk/doc/gaims_funniest_home_convos.txt?view=markup |
| 08:04.02 | batrick | LOL |
| 08:04.07 | batrick | i haven't seen that one |
| 08:04.11 | Shirik | btw bleetah I figured out what was causing the program to shut down randomly on you |
| 08:04.23 | Shirik | I fail at using the number pad correctly |
| 08:04.40 | bleetah | hah |
| 08:09.04 | Shirik | this guy has the same feelings about the world as I do: 17:02:17 Zilding: I'm sure not. So forgive me when I'm not in a very good mood and I have a little contempt for people who use phrases like 'owns', can't spell correctly, and feel the need to capitalize every other letter in their name. Are you a hax0r too? |
| 08:11.16 | bleetah | Shirik: spend some time in #gaim, and you become very jaded about luser support very quickly |
| 08:11.32 | bleetah | that doc barely scratches the surface of luserland stupidity |
| 08:11.37 | Shirik | ha |
| 08:11.55 | Shirik | I get enough of it already; I'd prefer to stay away from it for now :P |
| 08:12.57 | bleetah | the exchange that gets me in the doc, is a pure dev one.. about the 'not the processional or recessional' music |
| 08:13.07 | bleetah | prolly one of the most impressive bits of IRC chat I've ever seen |
| 08:14.02 | Shirik | hahhaa |
| 08:14.04 | Shirik | that was great |
| 08:14.15 | bleetah | the one underneath that is cute, too |
| 08:15.09 | Nom- | <Edofnor> #1 pickup line of all time: "Hey, does this rag smell like chloroform to you? |
| 08:15.13 | Nom- | LOL |
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| 08:17.21 | Shirik | bleetah: sometimes I have fun with those types of people |
| 08:17.31 | Shirik | sending them on wild goose chases |
| 08:17.44 | Shirik | then they come back a week later "hey remember when you told me to get _____ it didn't work" |
| 08:17.54 | Shirik | Then you respond "Oh yeah that's because your flux capacitor needs more jigawatts" |
| 08:17.57 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+v SunTiger] by ChanServ |
| 08:18.00 | Shirik | then tell them to go do something else |
| 08:18.06 | bleetah | Shirik: like ... http://arctanx.id.au/ircloser.htm ? |
| 08:22.55 | AnduinLothar | http://wow-en.curse-gaming.com/other/1079/wow-addon-author-survey-results/ |
| 08:23.11 | Shirik | yes, bleetah |
| 08:23.14 | Shirik | exactly like that :P |
| 08:24.08 | bleetah | dmesg |
| 08:24.10 | bleetah | gah |
| 08:25.29 | Shirik | was about to make a comment like that :P |
| 08:26.05 | AnduinLothar | well i'd give you a wowi url but Cair's afk so i can't bug her to update her news post |
| 08:26.47 | bleetah | given the thread in the WoW tech support forum, and the user last week (Xenok) claiming he got infected by a very similar behaving trojan merely by looking at curse .... I'll say no more in case I get sued |
| 08:27.21 | bleetah | AnduinLothar: the karlkfi survey page hangs on loading here... lemme enable JS ;) :P |
| 08:27.52 | Shirik | the red bar scares me: http://www.karlkfi.com/WoW/Survey/ |
| 08:27.58 | bleetah | mm, seems to be timing out attempting to reach an IP url (that's to say, I've got a 'connecting to: xx.xx.xxx.xxx) in FF |
| 08:28.14 | Shirik | (bleetah try that link) |
| 08:28.57 | bleetah | Shirik, AnduinLothar: sorry for any confusion. I *am* trying the link shirik posted |
| 08:29.07 | Elkano | ??? |
| 08:29.08 | Shirik | ah |
| 08:29.09 | Shirik | works for me :/ |
| 08:29.23 | AnduinLothar | well someone's gettign there, cause the counter's going up :P |
| 08:29.29 | Shirik | I am :P |
| 08:29.34 | Shirik | ip if it helps, bleetah: Pinging karlkfi.com [66.150.161.141] with 32 bytes of data: |
| 08:29.44 | Shirik | oops |
| 08:29.48 | Shirik | only meant to copy the ip but yeah |
| 08:30.05 | leethal | Elkano: your buff bar mod. Can I make the bars... uhm.. go the other direction? As in left => right |
| 08:30.23 | bleetah | ping's fine |
| 08:30.30 | Elkano | leethal: nes |
| 08:30.32 | Shirik | but you can't get to the site? odd |
| 08:30.35 | leethal | Elkano: I just saw this - http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f259/oneeyedweaver/damage.jpg - and those buff bars look very elkano'ish |
| 08:30.42 | leethal | Elkano: lua haxx, ya? |
| 08:31.09 | Elkano | well, my recode supports it since it does no longer use Blizzard's status bar |
| 08:31.38 | bleetah | can even telnet to port 80 on that IP and get a response |
| 08:31.50 | Shirik | can you get the data too? |
| 08:31.54 | Shirik | if you subit a request? |
| 08:32.01 | Shirik | s/subit/submit/ |
| 08:32.02 | bleetah | I did a generic GET / |
| 08:32.03 | leethal | recode = super new version released yesterday, with /elkbuffbar bardirection leftright options? Or still lua haxx? |
| 08:32.12 | bleetah | got the generic page spat back at me |
| 08:32.20 | Shirik | but firefox won't get it? |
| 08:32.30 | bleetah | nor elinks |
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| 08:32.54 | bleetah | lynx http://www.karlkfi.com/WoW/Survey/ 404's |
| 08:33.14 | bleetah | oohhh.. I see the problem |
| 08:33.17 | bleetah | port 82 |
| 08:33.26 | bleetah | * 'problem' |
| 08:34.00 | AnduinLothar | the url is a web domain redirect to a semi-static ip |
| 08:34.17 | AnduinLothar | which uses port 82 |
| 08:34.45 | AnduinLothar | i don't think it's actually a redirect, i think it's using some stupid iframes so that it can mask the ip |
| 08:35.04 | bleetah | yeah, that's what dillo indicates |
| 08:36.47 | Elkano | leethal, the pic doesn't show EBB but most likely CT |
| 08:37.12 | leethal | ouch, CT is a pain in the ass |
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| 08:38.30 | Elkano | well, one could hack current EBB to also use textures instead of a status bar but I'll put my effort in the new version instead of 'improving' sth I'll soon drop and replace |
| 08:38.58 | snurre | soon? :) |
| 08:39.29 | leethal | yay |
| 08:39.53 | Elkano | well, "soon" can still be a matter of month ;) |
| 08:40.20 | snurre | we've noticed :p |
| 08:40.48 | bleetah | Shirik: I found the cause.. port 82. I block that here ;) |
| 08:40.56 | Shirik | ah |
| 08:40.57 | Elkano | it's currently in a state that is working and it could most likely be used that way but there will be most likely some further code reorganizations and there is no way to cnfigure it without hacking the lua atm ;) |
| 08:41.14 | Shirik | hmmm |
| 08:41.21 | Shirik | bleetah did you get this message when running the updater on linux: |
| 08:41.30 | Elkano | btw: conjure food VII (dropped in strath) is now also available at the trainer, isn't it? |
| 08:41.30 | Shirik | System Panic - Unable to initialize error handler |
| 08:41.30 | Shirik | java.lang.NoSuchMethodError: method java.lang.String.format with signature (Ljava.lang.String;[Ljava.lang.Object;)Ljava.lang.String; was not found. |
| 08:41.58 | bleetah | Shirik: I haven't tried again since our last face to face attempt, where it'd paint the window then shutdown with no error |
| 08:42.10 | Shirik | so when it shut down you didn't get anything |
| 08:42.12 | Shirik | hm |
| 08:42.59 | Shirik | yeah, this close to release I'm not going back no matter what you say >< |
| 08:43.55 | bleetah | I'll just make a comment when you publish, on the support forum, along the lines of 'pretty funny for a cross-platform app.. it isn't' :-P |
| 08:44.24 | bleetah | you got a later version for me to test out? |
| 08:44.29 | Shirik | If it's just an issue with the JRE then I guess I'll have to point out during download that a specific JRE is required |
| 08:44.45 | Shirik | http://code.google.com/p/wowiupdater seems to be working very well on windows; v0.1.20 |
| 08:45.49 | bleetah | yar, I'm getting the error as you describe above |
| 08:46.11 | Shirik | hm ok, must be something I added :/ |
| 08:46.21 | AnduinLothar | does that upload or downlaod from wowi? |
| 08:46.29 | Shirik | download |
| 08:46.42 | Shirik | both ways would be kinda cool |
| 08:46.44 | Shirik | but one thing at a time |
| 08:46.48 | AnduinLothar | ambiguous names |
| 08:47.04 | Shirik | it was a temporary name, really |
| 08:47.09 | AnduinLothar | cause you aren't actually updating wowi |
| 08:47.18 | AnduinLothar | you're updating your computer from wowi |
| 08:47.22 | Shirik | meh |
| 08:47.25 | Shirik | my creativity sucks |
| 08:48.15 | AnduinLothar | so WoWI AddOn Downloader, or WoWIAddOnUpdater |
| 08:48.47 | AnduinLothar | either way, you're not affeting wowi, but rather wowi serves as the owner |
| 08:49.30 | AnduinLothar | WAU! |
| 08:49.33 | Shirik | functionality first, naming second; I'll get around to that later |
| 08:49.35 | Shirik | wau? |
| 08:49.43 | bleetah | WAU's a python thing |
| 08:49.44 | Shirik | oh |
| 08:49.54 | bleetah | iirc |
| 08:50.01 | AnduinLothar | WowiAddonUpdater ;) |
| 08:50.04 | Shirik | yeah |
| 08:50.07 | Shirik | that's what I didn't pick up at first :P |
| 08:50.16 | Shirik | was wondering why he randomly exclaimed it |
| 08:50.38 | Shirik | hmm, got sun's official jre and still have troubles... something strange must be going on |
| 08:50.51 | AnduinLothar | i am random occationally, but more often it's a series of undisclosed associations |
| 08:51.22 | AnduinLothar | I very much enjoy watching that downlaod counter tick up |
| 08:51.52 | AnduinLothar | just abotu as much as i enjoy watching addon download counts..... |
| 08:52.33 | Shirik | ? |
| 08:52.45 | AnduinLothar | mmm, not in lua! |
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| 08:54.14 | bleetah | Shirik: how's this for a name, WIM... WowInterfaceManager |
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| 08:54.37 | AnduinLothar | WowInterfaceDownloader |
| 08:54.54 | Shirik | well it'll do more than download in the future |
| 08:55.00 | Shirik | at present it only downloads, but there are plans beyond that |
| 08:55.06 | AnduinLothar | WowInterfaceDownloaderOfWowi |
| 08:55.19 | Shirik | widow? |
| 08:55.19 | AnduinLothar | WIDOW for short |
| 08:55.22 | Shirik | hah |
| 08:55.27 | AnduinLothar | :D |
| 08:55.49 | Shirik | though bleetah's name makes sense |
| 08:55.54 | bleetah | that sounds silly... kinda like 'atm machine' |
| 08:55.56 | Shirik | FIRST IT HAS TO WORK (*$%)(@*#% |
| 08:56.01 | Shirik | lol atm machine |
| 08:56.30 | bleetah | dinnertime, afk |
| 08:56.51 | AnduinLothar | @machine imo |
| 08:57.24 | wobin | Although there's a Wow Instant Messenger with the same name... |
| 08:57.34 | AnduinLothar | owned |
| 08:58.33 | wobin | WAR - WoWi Addon Retriever |
| 08:58.55 | AnduinLothar | i liek it |
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| 09:12.37 | Radiance_ | When creating a button in lua, I use CreateFrame("Button"...) right? |
| 09:12.54 | Shirik | aye |
| 09:13.24 | Radiance_ | Ok, thanks. Guessing my failure is I need to assign a background then... :P |
| 09:13.39 | Shirik | possibly, but there are other things to consider too |
| 09:13.48 | Shirik | for a frame to be visible, it must meet several conditions |
| 09:14.16 | Shirik | (1) it has to be shown. You do this by calling the :Show() method. (2) it has to have a point. Do this with :SetPoint(). (3) It has to have a size. :SetHeight() and :SetWidth() will get you there. |
| 09:14.16 | Radiance_ | I have managed (yey me) to show a frame... But not button... |
| 09:14.24 | Shirik | a button is a frame |
| 09:14.29 | Radiance_ | ah |
| 09:14.45 | Radiance_ | but does it need an upstate and a downstate or something? |
| 09:14.50 | Shirik | in fact pretty much everything is a frame |
| 09:14.57 | Shirik | only the 3 I listed above are "required" |
| 09:15.03 | Shirik | it might not do much like that, but it's all that's required |
| 09:15.04 | Radiance_ | ok |
| 09:15.18 | Radiance_ | Start small, and just get to show it P |
| 09:15.20 | Radiance_ | :P |
| 09:15.23 | Shirik | yup |
| 09:15.46 | Radiance_ | then I do as in the xml, assign onclick, and registerforclick and that stuff |
| 09:16.14 | Shirik | right |
| 09:16.53 | Radiance_ | I haven't managed to find any really good info on creating stuff with lua, any sites you know that has this info? |
| 09:17.06 | Shirik | hm... lua or for wow? |
| 09:17.11 | Radiance_ | for wow |
| 09:17.41 | Shirik | http://www.wowwiki.com/API and http://www.wowwiki.com/Widget_API are good references, but really the best way to learn how to code for WoW is to read others' code |
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| 09:18.00 | Corrodias | thus, the chicken comes before the egg |
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| 09:18.42 | Radiance_ | I have tried to sift through the bongos code... |
| 09:18.56 | Radiance_ | I didn't get much out of it |
| 09:19.07 | Corrodias | that would be a bit of a complex way to start |
| 09:19.15 | Radiance_ | yer, I noticed... |
| 09:20.00 | Radiance_ | I'll try to check with the addons I have, thanks though |
| 09:22.28 | Corrodias | the basic idea is that you start with a .toc that lists .xml and/or .lua files for the game to load. the .lua contains lua code that is executed when it's loaded (often just defining functions and such) and the .xml contains a description of a Frame, which may or may not be a visible thing on the screen. |
| 09:23.20 | Radiance_ | Yeah I know that much, just wanted to create the frame without an xml file... |
| 09:23.38 | Radiance_ | but maybe that ain't a good thing to do... |
| 09:24.08 | Corrodias | it's a fine thing, but i don't really know how or why |
| 09:24.48 | Radiance_ | No real reason why I want to do it this way... just... I wanted to.. .:P |
| 09:25.18 | Shirik | that's a good enough reason |
| 09:25.21 | Shirik | pick what works for you |
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| 09:25.42 | Corrodias | no, it's not good enough. do it my way! >:o |
| 09:25.47 | Radiance_ | :P |
| 09:25.58 | Radiance_ | or the high way? |
| 09:26.05 | Shirik | don't listen to that guy, he spent a whole week just figuring out the name for his hunter |
| 09:26.11 | Radiance_ | hehe |
| 09:26.22 | Corrodias | ;.; |
| 09:26.27 | Shirik | ~hug Corrodias |
| 09:26.37 | purl | ACTION hugs Corrodias |
| 09:26.44 | Corrodias | looks like i need to run some more nonheroic 5-mans before my gear is up to doing anything like heroics or karazhan |
| 09:26.52 | Corrodias | man, we got spanked in kara today |
| 09:27.01 | Shirik | ~lart Corrodias |
| 09:27.13 | Radiance_ | One question though, naming the frame is essential if you want to manage it later on in the code right? |
| 09:27.19 | Corrodias | although typically it didn't seem to have anything to do with me, simple melee dps who doesn't do anything fancy |
| 09:27.24 | Radiance_ | or is the variable enough? |
| 09:27.26 | Shirik | mmm not entirely, but it's a really good idea |
| 09:31.45 | Corrodias | hmm. Atiesh would still be a pretty decent staff |
| 09:31.51 | Corrodias | well, for some classes; can't say for others |
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| 09:38.24 | Nom- | Shirik: Fix teh bugs ? |
| 09:38.25 | Corrodias | i don't suppose heroic mode shadow labyrinth is exactly as hard as nonheroic? |
| 09:38.31 | Shirik | for windows, yeah |
| 09:38.40 | Shirik | linux gets pissed |
| 09:40.09 | Nom- | URL ? |
| 09:40.30 | Seb189 | Hey everyone! we're a bunch of students playing WoW and trying to develop a WoW widget. Does anyone want to join? |
| 09:40.53 | Shirik | Nom-: http://code.google.com/p/wowiupdater |
| 09:41.06 | Nom- | uh oh, that means trouble |
| 09:41.53 | Shirik | if you have your favorites set up on wowi |
| 09:41.59 | Shirik | it should almost work automatically |
| 09:42.12 | Corrodias | "widget"? |
| 09:42.30 | Nom- | Can I suggest you rename the installer to something a little less generic than "setup.exe" :) |
| 09:42.41 | Shirik | yeh I will :P |
| 09:42.53 | Nom- | "WoWI Updater Installer.exe" perhaps ? |
| 09:43.06 | Shirik | I used to not even include the version number in the exe name |
| 09:43.07 | Nom- | Loading configuration, please wait.... |
| 09:43.10 | Shirik | but google got pissed |
| 09:43.16 | Seb189 | some kind of profiler. so everyone can see how the other WoW-players are doing |
| 09:43.18 | bleetah | Shirik: wot about Macs? |
| 09:43.28 | Shirik | for now, macs should be able to run the jars |
| 09:43.30 | bleetah | oops, soz |
| 09:43.41 | Shirik | but then again |
| 09:43.43 | Shirik | so should linux |
| 09:43.46 | Nom- | FFS @ Today Tonight |
| 09:43.48 | Shirik | bleetah: what architecture are you on btw? |
| 09:43.52 | Corrodias | i'm not sure what you mean. how would it be different from, say, the Armory? |
| 09:43.54 | Nom- | I HATE Current Affair programmes |
| 09:44.34 | bleetah | Nom-: Well, don't watch it! Sheesh! :P (btw, Top Gear's good tonight.. mind you, good every night it's on) |
| 09:44.42 | Nom- | I'm not watching it |
| 09:44.49 | bleetah | Shirik: right atm, 2.6.19-1.2911.6.5.fc6 |
| 09:44.49 | Nom- | It's being watched in the other room, but I can hear it |
| 09:45.02 | bleetah | Nom-: oh god, that's even worse |
| 09:45.14 | bleetah | Nom-: I'm positive there's international treaties that cover cases like that |
| 09:45.16 | Shirik | x86 32 or 64? |
| 09:45.21 | Nom- | The leading story, how someone bribed their way out of an Indonesian prison for a day |
| 09:45.21 | bleetah | cruel and unusual punishment, or somesuch |
| 09:45.26 | bleetah | x86 32 |
| 09:45.28 | Nom- | I mean ffs...it's Indonesia, what do you expect ? |
| 09:45.41 | Shirik | ok so it has nothing to do with the 64 bit libs like I thought :/ |
| 09:45.42 | bleetah | Nom-: that happens every day down this way |
| 09:45.47 | bleetah | our prison here is a joke |
| 09:45.51 | Nom- | I was witnessing bribes being given and received before I'd even left the grounds of the air port |
| 09:45.54 | Seb189 | our profiler should deliver more information (bank, etc.) |
| 09:46.20 | Nom- | I mean, seriously...someone in an Indonesian prison gave a bribe for a favour? Wow, big surprise there! |
| 09:46.38 | bleetah | prison officers can be bribed.. even bigger suprise |
| 09:46.52 | bleetah | *some prison officers.. |
| 09:46.52 | Nom- | In Indonesia, everyone is for sale |
| 09:47.11 | bleetah | 'corruption starts with a half price hamburger. after that, anything's possible' |
| 09:47.35 | Nom- | When $10 AUD is more than most people see as pay for a weeks' work, it's no big surpise that you can bribe someone |
| 09:47.47 | bleetah | a quote from Scales Of Justice, about copper corruption in NSW in the 80's |
| 09:48.41 | Corrodias | well, i'm not an addon author, so i can't help, Seb189, but i can say that it doesn't sound like something you'd get a lot of interest in. |
| 09:48.52 | Corrodias | anyway, try at another time of day. as you can see, it's just the four of us here right now |
| 09:49.28 | Seb189 | thanks a lot, corrodias! bye! |
| 09:49.28 | Nom- | Iriel|Away: New AfterCast ? |
| 09:50.03 | Shirik | Nom-: is it working? |
| 09:50.09 | Corrodias | i am so confused |
| 09:50.25 | Shirik | oh, btw it will not detect your current versions until you update them at least once |
| 09:50.36 | bleetah | Shirik: just to humour you, I'll try installing the Win JRE and then the .exe in Wine |
| 09:50.37 | Shirik | this is because developers are tools and don't use the same version in the TOC as they do on the WoWI site |
| 09:50.43 | Shirik | heh |
| 09:50.47 | Corrodias | i love to heal, and i'd just -love- to gather healing gear and go restoration spec for my guild activities |
| 09:50.48 | bleetah | although my stomach heaves at the entire concept ;) |
| 09:50.53 | Shirik | I actually just tried running netbeans from wine but it got pissed |
| 09:50.58 | Shirik | something about not being able to find the JRE |
| 09:51.15 | Corrodias | but i also like the killing power from feral, and my guild does need me as a tank |
| 09:51.46 | Shirik | it probably doesn't like running straight from an ntfs filesystem though |
| 09:51.52 | Corrodias | and there's the comprimise of balance/restoration that is an option, leaving me with a total of four sets of gear i have to maintain to keep any of those options open to me |
| 09:52.05 | Corrodias | *all of those options |
| 09:53.17 | Nom- | Shirik: Wierd stuff is happening lol |
| 09:53.24 | Nom- | I've registered Auctioneer, and it downloaded the update |
| 09:53.25 | Shirik | what "wierd stuff" |
| 09:53.36 | Nom- | But now it's not showing up in the list of updateable addons |
| 09:53.37 | Shirik | ah, it'll download all the first time, btw |
| 09:53.43 | Shirik | o.O? |
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| 09:53.53 | Shirik | oh you mean in the list when you go to file->register? |
| 09:53.58 | Shirik | or in the main list? |
| 09:54.02 | bleetah | Shirik: you mean NTFS mounted on linux? iirc, they mount as read only.. r/w is only available if you hand compile the kernel mod to do so (or, at least that was the case a while back on most ditros) |
| 09:54.12 | Shirik | yeah that's the problem, it only mounts read only |
| 09:54.34 | Nom- | It's not showing up in either list now |
| 09:54.34 | Shirik | so I think it might get pissed and I didn't feel like copying everything over to ./.wine |
| 09:54.49 | Shirik | try file->update, does it come back? |
| 09:55.06 | Nom- | ack i think it screwed my Auctioneer install |
| 09:55.10 | Nom- | because the auctioneer zip is wierd |
| 09:55.22 | Shirik | ahhh I think I know what happened |
| 09:55.29 | Shirik | look in the auctioneer folder for a WIC file |
| 09:55.34 | Shirik | er, WID |
| 09:55.41 | Shirik | if it's there, check to make sure it says "$$DEPENDENT" inside it |
| 09:56.06 | bleetah | goddamn the JRE installer takes forever to start up |
| 09:56.24 | bleetah | Nom-: weird? what's the prob with the zip? |
| 09:56.34 | Shirik | it's got multiple folders |
| 09:56.35 | AnduinLothar | so, who wants to do me a favor and slashdot me? |
| 09:56.50 | AnduinLothar | I'd do it myself but i need someone to blame if my isp asks |
| 09:56.53 | Shirik | so the installer tries to figure out which one of them is the "main" folder, so that it doesn't try to update every folder individually next time |
| 09:56.56 | Shirik | it looks like it detected wrong |
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| 09:57.09 | Nom- | hmm ok its fine |
| 09:57.20 | Nom- | (the zip) |
| 09:57.22 | Shirik | Nom-: did you find a WID file in there? |
| 09:57.36 | bleetah | AnduinLothar: you could use tor, and slashdot yourself to you hearts content from many vaired IPs ;) |
| 09:57.53 | Shirik | aye, firefox even has an easy-to-use tor plugin |
| 09:57.58 | bleetah | I'd have a hard time remembering my login details.. ain't been to /. to post since last century |
| 09:58.36 | Nom- | where does it store the information about which addons are registered ? |
| 09:58.53 | Shirik | it makes a new file in each addon folder |
| 09:58.55 | Shirik | extension is wid |
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| 09:59.17 | bleetah | Shirik: FF based install of the JRE in Wine fails |
| 09:59.24 | Nom- | Doesn't seem to exist |
| 09:59.25 | bleetah | I might try it again... takes forever tho |
| 09:59.41 | Shirik | bleetah: :( |
| 09:59.42 | Nom- | I just blew away the Auctioneer folder too, just in case |
| 09:59.49 | Shirik | why >< |
| 10:00.30 | bleetah | for some reason, the JRE FF installer reckons it can't load http://java.sun.com/update/1.5.0/1.5.0_11-b03.xml |
| 10:00.36 | bleetah | which, of course, loads fine in the browser :/ |
| 10:00.39 | Shirik | ok Nom- do you have a error.log file? If so, look inside it for something regarding "interruptions" |
| 10:01.38 | Nom- | ok when i add Auctioneer it's adding 2 items |
| 10:01.47 | Nom- | one with no text or progress bar, but a 'resolve' button |
| 10:01.52 | Nom- | one with the correct info |
| 10:01.58 | Shirik | ah I remember that bug |
| 10:02.01 | Shirik | just hit file->update |
| 10:02.03 | Shirik | it should fix itself |
| 10:02.17 | Nom- | This asking for username every time gets annoying too :) |
| 10:02.22 | Shirik | that won't happen |
| 10:02.27 | Shirik | I just haven't coded memorization yet |
| 10:02.43 | Shirik | that'll be saved into configs it should only ask the first time |
| 10:02.54 | Shirik | just been dealing with other stuff |
| 10:02.55 | Shirik | oh, nom |
| 10:03.07 | Shirik | did you install it to the Program Files\Wowiupdater directory? |
| 10:03.17 | Nom- | Whatever the default, yes |
| 10:03.21 | Shirik | ok, do me a favor |
| 10:03.24 | Shirik | instead of running it with the exe |
| 10:03.31 | Shirik | go to a command line and type this command |
| 10:03.45 | Shirik | java -jar "C:\Program Files\WoWIUpdater\wowiupdater.jar" --verbose |
| 10:03.59 | Shirik | that way you can send me your verbose log file later and I can take a look at it |
| 10:04.23 | Shirik | make sure you put --verbose _after_ the name of the file, not before. If you put it before, then java will go into verbose mode and spam the hell out of you |
| 10:04.29 | bleetah | Shirik: I don't hold out much hope, tho.. check the 'rating' for 1.5 http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iAppId=1372 |
| 10:04.55 | Nom- | yeah it's losing the auctioneer |
| 10:04.59 | Shirik | hahaha |
| 10:05.02 | Nom- | it doesn't know about it after doing a successful unzip |
| 10:05.11 | Shirik | ok did you do that in verbose mode? |
| 10:05.18 | Nom- | *nod* |
| 10:05.38 | Shirik | ok shut down the program normally, then open verbose.log make sure the last line is @@@ System shutdown or something like that |
| 10:05.54 | Shirik | if so, send it to me at tg.skullshot@gmail.com so I can take a look at it |
| 10:06.01 | Shirik | it should tell me exactly how it tried to unzip that file |
| 10:06.02 | bleetah | tho someone managed to get it working on deb/testing last year.. hmm |
| 10:06.43 | Nom- | yup |
| 10:06.49 | Nom- | it doesn't find Auctioneer at all |
| 10:06.59 | Shirik | yeah it must be marking it as a dependent |
| 10:07.01 | Shirik | when it shouldn't |
| 10:07.01 | Nom- | oh you want me to blow away auctioneer again? |
| 10:07.19 | Shirik | if it has a toc file, then it must have a wud file |
| 10:07.21 | Nom- | afk a sec |
| 10:07.28 | Shirik | otherwise it would show in one of those lists |
| 10:07.50 | bleetah | Shirik: wow, check this out.. talk about a defunct process... 22711 1 0 Mar10 ? 00:00:00 java -jar wowiupdater.jar --errtest |
| 10:08.14 | Shirik | ummmmmm |
| 10:08.20 | Shirik | oops |
| 10:08.26 | bleetah | that was from the other day when we were playing, I think |
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| 10:09.05 | Shirik | Nom-: the filename would be update.wid |
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| 10:13.30 | bleetah | k, trying to start the standalone JRE installer in Wine is like watching paint dry.. by this stage I would've expected *some* CPU activity |
| 10:14.04 | Shirik | hah |
| 10:15.01 | bleetah | interesting.. it threw up what I thought was the first window.. I clicked Continue.. it then gave me a window that said it was installed |
| 10:15.05 | Nom- | hmm |
| 10:15.10 | Nom- | the auctioneer folder has no files |
| 10:15.18 | Shirik | none? |
| 10:15.33 | bleetah | the ~/.wine/drive_c shows no JRE anywhere |
| 10:16.05 | bleetah | Shirik: no offence, but at this stage I'm like.. too much effort for alpha code still. If you get it more stable on Windows, I might take a look again |
| 10:16.58 | Shirik | the problem with Nom- is tied to the fact that he's using a pretty complex addon to test; Auctioneer is one I haven't (but should have) tested |
| 10:17.07 | Shirik | simple, one-folder addons seem to work perfectly.... in windows |
| 10:17.41 | bleetah | yar, and as a co-developer of Auctioneer and their other mods... that'd be important to me to have working before I sink in a large amount of effort to get this JRE in Wine sorted |
| 10:17.52 | Shirik | of course :P |
| 10:17.59 | bleetah | don't get me wrong, I really appreciate your efforts |
| 10:18.25 | Shirik | I don't expect you to keep trying, tbh, I would have given up a long time ago in your shoes |
| 10:18.33 | Shirik | but it will work on linux before 1.0 |
| 10:18.44 | Shirik | now must switch back to windows to test auctioneer and see what's up |
| 10:18.55 | bleetah | Shirik: vmware ftw! ;) |
| 10:19.03 | bleetah | eval version, get new key every month |
| 10:19.19 | Nom- | hmmm |
| 10:20.58 | Nom- | the problem is it's keeling over while trying to unzip |
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| 10:22.13 | bleetah | I'll just have to pull my finger out and sort out a QT and C++ bunch of books, etc. |
| 10:22.18 | Nom- | Shirik: It's falling over in the unzip process |
| 10:22.21 | Nom- | That's the problem |
| 10:22.32 | Nom- | There's no logging on why that fell over tho |
| 10:22.32 | Shirik | oh? how do you know? |
| 10:22.46 | Nom- | coz it extracts a couple of LUA files but doesn't finish |
| 10:22.53 | Shirik | ah hm |
| 10:23.04 | Shirik | and in the log file it doesn't have any message like "TRAP xx" |
| 10:23.55 | Shirik | er.... is auctioneer even on wowinterface? |
| 10:24.23 | Nom- | yea it is |
| 10:24.27 | Nom- | 4812 |
| 10:25.15 | Nom- | The word 'trap' doesnt appear in the logfile at all |
| 10:25.25 | bleetah | I believe that's the 'official' UI site (that is, opposed to our own site which hosts everything including dev versions) don't quote me on that tho ;-) |
| 10:25.36 | Shirik | eew... |
| 10:25.51 | Shirik | packaged swatter with it? |
| 10:26.01 | Nom- | bleh |
| 10:26.07 | Nom- | the version on wowi doesn't have enchantrix |
| 10:26.16 | bleetah | 'coz we haven't released enchantrix :P |
| 10:26.23 | Nom- | There's a folder with one file called 'nopatch' |
| 10:26.24 | Nom- | aaaargh |
| 10:26.25 | Shirik | <3ed enchantrix :( |
| 10:26.42 | bleetah | we're re-writing the DB backend for storing uploads, splitten the barker out to a seperate mod |
| 10:27.07 | bleetah | add on top of that our own mod updater being written in QT, plus the Auctioneer rewrite.. it's a lot of work going on |
| 10:27.40 | bleetah | the usual not-enough0-hours-in-the-day-causing-tiredness problems, etc. |
| 10:28.18 | bleetah | the enchantrix gamma at our own site works fine with auc 4.0 tho, with a couple of functions disabled, and it going a bit loopy for item rounded ilevel 55+ |
| 10:29.30 | Nom- | oh well |
| 10:29.35 | Shirik | nom, does it just stay locked at "installing addon" permanently? |
| 10:29.36 | Nom- | i don't really use it anyway |
| 10:29.39 | Nom- | just wow had a cry |
| 10:29.40 | Shirik | "installing update" |
| 10:29.52 | Nom- | Yeah it does Shirik |
| 10:30.37 | Shirik | oh |
| 10:30.38 | Shirik | there it goes |
| 10:30.45 | Shirik | hm |
| 10:30.48 | Shirik | that seems god-awful slow |
| 10:31.02 | Shirik | but it definitely worked |
| 10:31.29 | Shirik | I might add, it worked _perfectly_ |
| 10:31.42 | Shirik | it marked all of the folders as dependents excluding the main Auctioneer folder, which got the config file |
| 10:32.04 | Shirik | it also took 2:30 to extract |
| 10:32.05 | Shirik | ow... |
| 10:32.15 | Shirik | (and I have a good computer) |
| 10:32.20 | Shirik | I think I have to optimize the extraction |
| 10:35.11 | Nom- | Yeah, that'd be a good idea :) |
| 10:35.27 | Nom- | Given that WinAce takes a whopping 8 seconds to unzip that addon |
| 10:35.31 | Nom- | ^_^ |
| 10:38.19 | Shirik | it's probably something stupid I did |
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| 10:49.24 | Nom- | bahaha |
| 10:49.29 | Nom- | soloing strat on my pally |
| 10:49.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | i can't anymore on my druid :/ |
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| 10:50.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | not that i could solo nerub enkhan but i cant even handle the trash now |
| 10:53.01 | Nom- | i don't even need to bubble |
| 10:53.05 | Nom- | concentration aura |
| 10:53.36 | AnduinLothar | soloing brd is fun |
| 10:53.49 | AnduinLothar | more fun with a mage+pally tho |
| 10:53.55 | Nom- | pfft |
| 10:53.59 | Nom- | solo Strat = more gold :) |
| 10:54.50 | AnduinLothar | brd is faster, you can walk right up to the boss before the emp. the lyceum doesn't agro unles syou walk on top of them |
| 10:54.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | there's more active shamans on alliance than druids now :x |
| 10:56.30 | AnduinLothar | Incindius, Magmus, clear emp's room in 2 pulls. tehn kill emp and princess, get at least 5 blues |
| 10:56.56 | AnduinLothar | only have to kill 3 guys to get to incind |
| 10:57.59 | AnduinLothar | it's kinda like how i used to walk all thr way through SM armory and onyl have to kill the 1st 2 trash by the door and the waves after herod dies |
| 10:58.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | hell i solo'd incendius at 60 |
| 10:58.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | now i do less dps in bear than i did pre 2.0 :[ |
| 10:58.32 | AnduinLothar | lol ouch |
| 10:58.56 | AnduinLothar | i can't catch up to rogues, but i'm neck and neck with mages and warlocks for 5man dps |
| 10:59.35 | zenzelezz | <Mr_Rabies2> there's more active shamans on alliance than druids now :x <-- not on my server |
| 10:59.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah i misread the warcraft realms graft, i just checked |
| 11:00.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm tired and thinking plus tiredness = bad |
| 11:00.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | i got locks and shamans confused |
| 11:00.31 | Shirik | eeeeww |
| 11:00.49 | Shirik | Nom- it's because I scan through the zip file 5 times before installing |
| 11:00.58 | Shirik | so instead of installing it once, it's like I'm installing it 5 times |
| 11:04.25 | Nom- | lol Shirik |
| 11:04.35 | Nom- | nearly took 2 pulls at once in strat |
| 11:04.40 | Nom- | didn't get a heal off in time |
| 11:04.44 | Shirik | haha |
| 11:04.55 | Nom- | they were all on < 20% hp |
| 11:05.03 | Nom- | all the non-elites were already dead of course |
| 11:07.45 | Nom- | oh and got a boe epic on the first pull |
| 11:08.03 | Shirik | haha nice |
| 11:08.14 | Shirik | hrm, actually the installation is quick; it's the backup part that's taking forever |
| 11:08.20 | Nom- | that alone makes the whole trip worthwhile ^_^ |
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| 11:10.27 | Shirik | it took 2:41 to perform a backup, so that's where the trouble is :/ |
| 11:10.37 | Shirik | yeah, but I think it's time to sleep for now |
| 11:14.23 | bleetah | nn Shirik |
| 11:14.55 | Corrodias | it pisses me off that, because i chose a couple of caster rewards along the way, i can't get some of the best tanking gear currently known in the game |
| 11:15.44 | Corrodias | maybe karazhan isn't fully itemized into wowhead yet, but damn. some green quest reward belt has more armor than any other known leather belt. |
| 11:17.50 | zenzelezz | I'm a bit disappointed in much of the Kharazan loot, and also some of the T4 pieces |
| 11:18.01 | Corrodias | i think a lot of people are |
| 11:18.18 | zenzelezz | kill boss, loot, "think I'll keep these blues..." |
| 11:18.22 | AnduinLothar | Kharazan's frickin hard. it aint no ubrs |
| 11:18.42 | zenzelezz | exactly, so you'd think you would get better stuff than the 5-mans |
| 11:19.24 | AnduinLothar | you basicly have to have a guild to do karazan, and the loot is basicly blue quality, not even as good as a lot of the heroic gear |
| 11:19.47 | AnduinLothar | but it's still rly fun to do |
| 11:19.53 | zenzelezz | screw heroic, half my regular 5-man loot is better |
| 11:19.54 | AnduinLothar | for now |
| 11:20.14 | zenzelezz | yes, I do like Kharazan, just don't think it's worth the effort at the moment |
| 11:20.46 | AnduinLothar | depends on what you mean by worht it |
| 11:20.58 | AnduinLothar | if you're jsut in it for loot, then no, it's not |
| 11:21.44 | AnduinLothar | better off grinding rep and end boss rewards in the 5mans and then moving on to heroic |
| 11:22.27 | zenzelezz | in the long run I care about the loot, I'm too greedy to pay out repairs all the time just for "the experience" |
| 11:23.33 | Corrodias | we got SPANKED by moroes and the maiden of virtue |
| 11:23.42 | Corrodias | not sure why on the second one... |
| 11:23.54 | zenzelezz | Maiden has been harder since they tuned her |
| 11:24.02 | zenzelezz | at least for my guild |
| 11:24.02 | AnduinLothar | we got pretty far. we've had trouble with the shade tho |
| 11:24.18 | zenzelezz | same here AL, he's a tough one |
| 11:24.31 | AnduinLothar | we spent a solid 4 hours working on him on friday |
| 11:24.48 | AnduinLothar | down to about 30% a number fo times |
| 11:24.59 | Corrodias | with moroes we can get a few adds down. :) tanks took too much burst damage for our healers, i think, though |
| 11:25.06 | AnduinLothar | but someone always messes up or timing is off |
| 11:25.21 | AnduinLothar | moroes you need offtanks/cc |
| 11:25.23 | zenzelezz | my guild is split into two groups for Kharazan; I'm not sure how far the other group has taken him, but my group got him to 11% at most |
| 11:25.32 | AnduinLothar | shackles, and pallies rly help |
| 11:25.44 | Corrodias | yeah, we did everything by the book |
| 11:25.59 | zenzelezz | one shackle, one fear, and one hunter trap usually works for us on Moroes |
| 11:26.16 | Corrodias | but one of our healers said the main tank went from 90% to 10% in 3 seconds with a few crits by the boss |
| 11:26.16 | zenzelezz | I don't think I've ever seen the shadow priest not spawn, so she always dies first |
| 11:26.35 | Corrodias | on one try |
| 11:26.40 | zenzelezz | ew, boss critted him? o_O Sure it wasn't a crushing hit? |
| 11:26.48 | AnduinLothar | yeah as aplly i usually keep the healer from healing until the shadow priest is dead |
| 11:26.53 | Corrodias | i don't think the healer would be able to tell the difference from his perspective |
| 11:27.09 | Corrodias | re: crit / crush |
| 11:27.14 | AnduinLothar | fear/stun/fear |
| 11:27.19 | Corrodias | in any case, it hurt, i guess |
| 11:27.23 | zenzelezz | yeah ;) |
| 11:27.29 | Corrodias | paladin has fear? |
| 11:27.34 | zenzelezz | Turn Undead |
| 11:27.34 | AnduinLothar | undead |
| 11:27.40 | Corrodias | i see |
| 11:27.47 | AnduinLothar | it's 30s cooldown tho |
| 11:27.56 | zenzelezz | I do get critted sometimes, but more often (in Kharazan) I get hit by a crushing blow |
| 11:28.11 | AnduinLothar | so you wait till he starts healing, then fear, then wait til he starts healign and 8s stun him, then fear again after cd |
| 11:28.25 | Corrodias | cool |
| 11:28.42 | zenzelezz | just have to make sure the priest keeps shackling, not waiting for the shackle to break |
| 11:28.48 | AnduinLothar | but the stun is 1min cd w/o tallents so you cant do that indefinitely |
| 11:28.55 | Corrodias | by the way, what's the story on the maiden of virtue? why is there a titan in karazhan? |
| 11:29.48 | Corrodias | or is she just there because blizzard wanted a paladin boss and didn't care how it got there? >_> |
| 11:29.49 | zenzelezz | AL: we generally fear the one that will die second, so you shouldn't run into that problem in most cases |
| 11:31.06 | zenzelezz | I really like the prot warrior add, free rage for offtank (as long as he's immune to disarm) |
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| 11:38.47 | Corrodias | i don't know why the maiden was so hard for us... well, okay, i do |
| 11:39.41 | Corrodias | the first time the priests weren't close enough to everyone to remove holy fire from everyone, and the second time one healer drew aggro early and got smashed |
| 11:39.50 | Corrodias | *early on |
| 11:40.04 | zenzelezz | she seems to kill our casters more now, which hurts |
| 11:41.24 | Corrodias | "i need to be feral for the guild". jeez. i don't think i've ever heard such a thing before around 2.0 |
| 11:41.41 | [Ammo] | bear offtank in karazhan is very handy |
| 11:41.50 | [Ammo] | because it can play a healer when the need arises too |
| 11:41.57 | [Ammo] | (support healer ofcourse) |
| 11:42.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | if hes got the gear for it, yeah fights where hes not gonna be tanking he can heal |
| 11:43.15 | [Ammo] | our bear tank has the gear for it |
| 11:43.16 | Corrodias | indeed |
| 11:43.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'd be much better switching to cat though, my healing gear is pretty meh |
| 11:43.22 | Nom- | How do you get to the boss that drops the key in Strat if you don't already have the key ? :/ |
| 11:43.28 | Corrodias | if i'm going to tank anything, my healing is crap |
| 11:43.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | through scarlet side nom |
| 11:44.00 | [Ammo] | http://armory.wow-europe.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Kazzak&n=Greatwind |
| 11:44.03 | [Ammo] | that's our bear tank] |
| 11:44.08 | Nom- | yeah Mr_Rabies2 ...but how do you get through? I can't find a path |
| 11:44.09 | Corrodias | all that armor, defense, agility, strength, etc does nothing for healing and mana |
| 11:44.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | head to the ud entrance from the scarlet one |
| 11:44.10 | [Ammo] | dunno if the gear is correct for bear form but shrug |
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| 11:44.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | take a right, i dunno how else to explain it |
| 11:44.30 | Nom- | yeah, found that |
| 11:45.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | he's at the UD entrance in a fresh insyance |
| 11:45.03 | Nom- | I'm at the first room with the chapel |
| 11:45.15 | Nom- | The magistrate ? |
| 11:45.17 | [Ammo] | Corrodias: that's why you bring a healing set, and use that set on the fights that require it |
| 11:45.26 | Corrodias | yeah, see, he's wearing generalized, tiered gear for some slots |
| 11:45.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | but he runs to go tell baron when you open the UD entrance gate |
| 11:45.34 | Nom- | oh lol it is too |
| 11:45.34 | Corrodias | i don't have that because i haven't been killing karazhan bosses |
| 11:45.39 | Nom- | ahhhhhh |
| 11:45.43 | [Ammo] | yeah ok |
| 11:45.49 | [Ammo] | I don't know about druid gear |
| 11:45.52 | Corrodias | Ammo, i carry 3 sets of gear on me, including stuff for healing |
| 11:45.54 | [Ammo] | and I don't know if that is his tanking set |
| 11:46.03 | [Ammo] | but I do know he is an excellent bear tank |
| 11:46.08 | Corrodias | but you can't change armor during combat, so on moroes i'm tanking -or- healing (mediocrely) but not both |
| 11:46.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | i keep my healing gear in the bank |
| 11:46.34 | Corrodias | and on AoE pulls i'm healing, futilely trying to keep the warlock alive |
| 11:46.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | i havent used it since....august |
| 11:47.07 | Corrodias | my efforts to keep people from dying on aoe pulls are generally unrewarded |
| 11:47.30 | Corrodias | he has "the good belt" i see |
| 11:47.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah ferals are lacking massively in the healing department, even in healing gear (as it should be) |
| 11:48.03 | Corrodias | but i'm surprised he's not wearing armored rings |
| 11:48.59 | Corrodias | i saw that alchemy trinket on wowhead... almost figured it'd be worth dropping Skinning and levelling up Alchemy for :/ |
| 11:49.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | he's in hybrid gear more or less |
| 11:49.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | hes in okay tanking gear and okay healing gear |
| 11:49.45 | Corrodias | well, the belt and gloves are pure tank |
| 11:49.59 | Corrodias | fucking quest rewards better than anything else in the game (at least that we know about) |
| 11:50.37 | Corrodias | oh, wait... |
| 11:50.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | there's better, but only marginally |
| 11:50.54 | Corrodias | "If you think it's imba, you maybe have to read it like: Increases the effect that healing _potions_ and mana potions have on the wearer by 40%." says one comment |
| 11:51.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | he has terrible HP and his int is almost as high as his agi |
| 11:51.20 | zenzelezz | Corrodias: yup, potions on yourself |
| 11:51.21 | Corrodias | in that case, fuck that trinket, i don't use potions while in bear form. :/ |
| 11:51.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | pretty shoddy dodge too :O |
| 11:51.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah, its only use for druids is if you're already an alchemist and want a stat boost |
| 11:52.06 | [Ammo] | like I said, dunno in what gear he is |
| 11:52.21 | [Ammo] | I know he has 16k hp in karazhan raids |
| 11:52.21 | Corrodias | so i guess i'm sticking with herbalism & skinning for now |
| 11:52.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | hybrid gear |
| 11:52.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | but not pvp gear, too little hp |
| 11:52.49 | Corrodias | 16k? what, must be paladin buffs in there |
| 11:53.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | i had 13k self buffed before the nerf :/ |
| 11:53.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | now i'm down to 11k |
| 11:53.54 | Corrodias | i think mine's 13k with a fort buff & mark |
| 11:54.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | i had over 10k pre 2.0 at 60 raid buffed |
| 11:54.27 | Nom- | lol that guy hits too hard to solo |
| 11:54.30 | Corrodias | i think that used to be quite a bit |
| 11:54.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | and i hit harder in bear too |
| 11:54.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | and had more mitigation |
| 11:54.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | :O |
| 11:54.55 | Nom- | he keeps enraging and hit me (killing blow) for 1200 damage |
| 11:55.02 | Nom- | sorry 1349 damage |
| 11:55.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | is he level ?? |
| 11:55.12 | Corrodias | yeah, i'd recommend more than one person on the key holder |
| 11:55.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | or 62 or whatever? |
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| 11:57.37 | Nom- | nah |
| 11:57.38 | Nom- | 58 elite |
| 11:57.46 | Nom- | he enrages every 5 seconds |
| 11:58.04 | Nom- | starts off like a kitten, ends up hitting like a sledge hammer |
| 11:58.25 | Corrodias | he was pretty unhealthy for a low-armor moonkin a few weeks ago |
| 11:58.30 | Corrodias | i didn't have fun |
| 11:59.17 | zenzelezz | speaking of hitting hard, I don't like the Arcane Protectors/Skeletal Ushers in Kharazan |
| 11:59.31 | Corrodias | then i tried with bear & mage, except we accidentally pulled more mobs and that was unhealthy for everyone |
| 11:59.31 | zenzelezz | anything white-hitting me, non-crit, for 5k annoys me |
| 12:01.02 | Corrodias | so according to my research, i need Mechanar, Arcatraz, Old Hillsbrad, Cenarion Expedition revered, Cenarion Expedition exalted, Arena points, and AB tokens & honor for one item each to improve my bear gear to very nearly the best possible |
| 12:01.14 | Corrodias | or at least the best within my reach |
| 12:01.49 | Corrodias | i should get to sleep now, since nobody's on and i'm just wasting sleep time |
| 12:01.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | i seem to remember soloing magistrate once at 60 |
| 12:01.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | i could be wrong |
| 12:02.11 | Corrodias | i suspect you're wrong |
| 12:02.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | no, i'm wrong, i got my idol in a group |
| 12:02.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah |
| 12:02.25 | Corrodias | i don't think i could solo him now |
| 12:03.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm definitely worse comparitively in bear than i was pre 2.0 though :x |
| 12:03.14 | Corrodias | apparently, bear tanks were too popular |
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| 12:03.31 | Corrodias | *eyeroll* |
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| 12:04.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | i have a ton less hp and armor comparitively than i did pre 2.0, and not just comparitively, but directly less dps and likely aggro |
| 12:05.05 | Corrodias | i was able to hold aggro on one of the moroes adds, but only barely, the first time. the second time i lost it after some parries & dodges, but we stunned it and had it dead before it hurt anybody |
| 12:05.39 | zenzelezz | Corrodias: 2.0.9 or 2.0.10? |
| 12:05.47 | Corrodias | we need to interrupt that Mana Burn, which we weren't doing |
| 12:05.52 | zenzelezz | or 2.0.7, whatever it was before .10 |
| 12:05.52 | Corrodias | today, 2.0.10 |
| 12:06.09 | zenzelezz | Corrodias: killing the shadow priest first? |
| 12:06.13 | Corrodias | yes |
| 12:06.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | corr |
| 12:06.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | what strategy are you using for tanking |
| 12:06.26 | zenzelezz | sounds right then... just keep her stunlocked/kicked |
| 12:07.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | i generally do Mangle, Faerie Fire, Lacerate, Lacerate, Lacerate, reapplying FFF as needed |
| 12:07.05 | Corrodias | disclaimer: i'm not too experienced at tanking. having said that, it was constant Maul & Lacerate |
| 12:07.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | maul bad |
| 12:07.30 | Corrodias | it would be better to not use the rage than to use maul? |
| 12:07.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | unless you have 50+ rage when you're hitting it, in which case go for it |
| 12:07.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | but never hit maul when you're below 50 or 60 rage or so |
| 12:08.20 | Corrodias | so... more mangle, and FF which i never remember ;P |
| 12:08.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | a chain of you dodging or them parrying or whatever and you're screwed |
| 12:08.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | thing is, when you're mauling, you're not autoattacking |
| 12:09.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | so you're not getting autoattack rage |
| 12:09.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | so maul costs the rage an autoattack generates plus the rage it costs to cast |
| 12:09.24 | Corrodias | yeah. i wasn't having a problem with rage, whatever i was doing, fortunately |
| 12:09.37 | Corrodias | how do you generate rage from being hit? what's the formula? |
| 12:09.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm not sure exactly |
| 12:09.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | you do get some from dodge, i think |
| 12:09.58 | zenzelezz | basically more rage the harder you get hit |
| 12:10.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | but actually taking a hit is better |
| 12:10.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah |
| 12:10.08 | Corrodias | i generate tons of rage being hit for pitiful amounts by several level 40 mobs |
| 12:10.19 | Corrodias | so it can't be about how much damage you take |
| 12:10.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | there's a minimum per hit i think |
| 12:10.24 | zenzelezz | tanking an Arcane Protector, hitting me for 4k, I get like 50 rage or something ;-p |
| 12:10.28 | Corrodias | that could be |
| 12:10.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | 1 damage is the same as, say 100 or so |
| 12:10.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | both just arbitrary numbers |
| 12:10.51 | Corrodias | http://www.wowwiki.com/Formulas:Rage_generation |
| 12:11.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's not perfectly accurate i assume |
| 12:11.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | since the forumla just got messed with |
| 12:11.16 | zenzelezz | rage generation was adjusted in .10, is the formula updated on the wiki? |
| 12:11.20 | Corrodias | can't be |
| 12:11.35 | Corrodias | according to a post by a blizzard rep on the forums... |
| 12:11.54 | Corrodias | rage generation was normalized to weapon speed of 2.5 before. now it's normalized to a weapon speed of 3.5 |
| 12:12.25 | Corrodias | but that page doesn't mention a minimum value, either, and there must be one |
| 12:12.42 | SunTiger | eeeuh |
| 12:12.48 | SunTiger | thats a LOT of rage |
| 12:12.58 | Corrodias | but it looks to me like that page -is- updated with the new values |
| 12:13.20 | Corrodias | i see 3.5 on the table, and it looks a lot like the table i saw in the post, which had 2.5 there in the old one and 3.5 in the new one. |
| 12:14.10 | zenzelezz | does the change from 2.5 to 3.5 equate to 20% more rage than before? |
| 12:14.26 | zenzelezz | IIRC 15-20% was the stated increase |
| 12:14.44 | Corrodias | it could be up to 40% more from attacks, but i think almost all of my rage comes from being hit |
| 12:14.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Druids_as_Tank |
| 12:14.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | should be all you could ever need Corrodias |
| 12:14.55 | SunTiger | Corrodias, as a tank yes |
| 12:15.07 | SunTiger | but solo or damaging that does not count. |
| 12:15.10 | Corrodias | yay cowbear! |
| 12:15.12 | zenzelezz | I don't know about druids, but warrior tanks get a miniscule amount of rage from their own attacks |
| 12:15.21 | zenzelezz | it's all from damage taken/blocking |
| 12:16.09 | Corrodias | in that case, i don't think there would be any more rage than before |
| 12:17.09 | Corrodias | ah, i need more agility |
| 12:17.16 | zenzelezz | I'm exaggerating slightly, but it's still true that the majority is from damage taken |
| 12:17.43 | zenzelezz | trying to offtank Moroes before the adjustment was incredibly tough, since you didn't generate much rage when not being hit |
| 12:18.47 | zenzelezz | I still have DPS out-aggroing the offtank in the end half the time |
| 12:18.59 | zenzelezz | but that could just be my guildies not listening when we say "watch your aggro" |
| 12:19.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | so many people don't know how to |
| 12:19.40 | zenzelezz | don't know how many times I've told the rogues to stop doing anything if they get blinded, but it never sinks in... ZOMG CRITS!! |
| 12:19.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | hell i find it hard to make myself stop those rare times i'm not tanking |
| 12:19.58 | zenzelezz | then the die and whine about getting one-hitted |
| 12:20.05 | zenzelezz | *they |
| 12:20.21 | zenzelezz | one-shotted... |
| 12:20.30 | zenzelezz | which one of you broke my grammar |
| 12:24.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | If it weren't for my horse, I wouldn't have spent that year in college. |
| 12:25.51 | Corrodias | kinda want to play a paladin |
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| 12:33.48 | Corrodias | oh, Swipe sucks. i didn't realize. |
| 12:48.12 | Corrodias | rabies, do you know if the darkmoon faire +10% armor buff stacks multiplicatively with bear form's? |
| 12:48.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | uh i dunno |
| 12:48.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | man |
| 12:48.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | firefox + animated gifs = comedy |
| 12:48.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://img.waffleimages.com/b9e3141c713682955fecd5ad68bbc815eea839ad/hooksword.gif |
| 12:48.59 | Corrodias | another 1500 armor would be cute |
| 12:49.18 | Corrodias | jeez... badly done animated gif |
| 12:49.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://img.waffleimages.com/2ad64e45696eaa57aee8f7074c2a38d181a00b8b/wendyeyes.gif |
| 12:49.25 | Corrodias | you're supposed to specify the delay between frames >_< |
| 12:49.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's intentional |
| 12:49.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://img.waffleimages.com/b131e8b2b0777b668c26ed51d6fc8bbc0cd27804/ppcodfish.gif |
| 12:51.48 | Corrodias | ah! cute. Sayge's Fortune #21: "Divine Shields and Hearthstones do not make a hero heroic." |
| 13:02.02 | Corrodias | ugh. now, to bed! >_< |
| 13:05.31 | SunTiger | haste , :P |
| 13:06.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | i should go to bed too |
| 13:06.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | but i'm addicted to the internet |
| 13:07.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | haste, everytime i hear your name mentioned i think of the quake 3 announcer |
| 13:08.40 | haste | heh, I've used this nick since 1997 :p |
| 13:09.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | my mind just seems to connect words, even common ones, to weird stuff |
| 13:09.56 | Garoun|Loupana | amazing how much easier shattered halls is to tank once you've got better gear on druid :P |
| 13:10.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've yet to run it |
| 13:10.26 | Garoun|Loupana | tanked and completed every pre-heroic 70 instance now |
| 13:10.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | arcatraz is the hardest instance i've done yet |
| 13:10.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | and it was easy |
| 13:10.48 | Garoun|Loupana | it's easy if you have cc |
| 13:10.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | nothing's been hard yet, even without cc, just with a good group |
| 13:11.02 | Garoun|Loupana | our core group has noCCs |
| 13:11.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah i guess it depends on the instance |
| 13:11.39 | Garoun|Loupana | wihtout decent gear halls can chew upa tank fast with the 5-6 pulls |
| 13:11.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | ah yaeh |
| 13:12.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's so hard in those because people can't freaking FOCUS FIRE DAMN YOU ATTACK THE SKULL IDIOT RARARGH |
| 13:12.20 | Garoun|Loupana | by far the hardest pulls is the Centurian + 4 Mortal strike spamming gladiators |
| 13:12.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | i hate bad groups :p |
| 13:13.15 | Garoun|Loupana | Ijust need to get my Heavy Clefthoof legs made and my gear will be almost set |
| 13:13.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | ah |
| 13:13.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm saving up for epic flying before buying anything |
| 13:13.40 | Garoun|Loupana | need to get a band of unbreakable, and then my violet signet |
| 13:13.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | i need my pimp hat and my clefthoof |
| 13:13.49 | Garoun|Loupana | well I'm our guilds MT, so I needed the better gear |
| 13:13.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | ah |
| 13:13.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm unguilded |
| 13:14.28 | Garoun|Loupana | I feel foryou,I'd hate to group a pug |
| 13:14.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | eh |
| 13:14.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've run a lot of good pugs |
| 13:14.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | good:bad is probably 3,4:1 or so |
| 13:15.28 | Garoun|Loupana | if your theleader then sure :) but joining a group, not so good usually |
| 13:15.37 | Kirkburn|afk | Is there a holiday in the US today? |
| 13:15.48 | Garoun|Loupana | no |
| 13:16.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | two days from now is international Mr_Rabies day |
| 13:16.22 | Kirkburn|afk | Next question ... anyone here have a Wii? |
| 13:16.30 | Garoun|Loupana | http://www.opm.gov/fedhol/2007.asp |
| 13:16.56 | Kirkburn|afk | Mr_Rabies2 .... but not a Mr_Rabies2 day, so ner ner, you get nothing! |
| 13:17.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | pffy |
| 13:17.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | er pfft |
| 13:17.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | clones count |
| 13:17.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh god random call from canada |
| 13:17.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | @_@ |
| 13:17.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's...odd. |
| 13:18.44 | Kirkburn|afk | God's calling you from Canadia? |
| 13:19.35 | Kirkburn|afk | He hath no taste, Austraailia or bust :O |
| 13:20.45 | Kirkburn|afk | Or New Zeeland. That could work. |
| 13:21.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'd be more than just confused about getting a call from australia |
| 13:21.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | thats all i got from canada...because i know no one there |
| 13:22.33 | Corrodias | i'm all brushed & washed, but there's one thing i wanted to ask before i actually sleep |
| 13:22.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | blah i'm totally not making sense anymore, i need to sleep :p |
| 13:22.42 | Corrodias | what do you guys use for your raid frames? |
| 13:22.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | blizzard's |
| 13:23.07 | Garoun|Loupana | I use praid |
| 13:23.10 | Corrodias | okay, how about someone who spends time healing & decursing? |
| 13:23.15 | Garoun|Loupana | and grid |
| 13:23.21 | Corrodias | -and-? |
| 13:23.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | thats all i used pre 2.0, corr |
| 13:23.33 | Garoun|Loupana | yeah rabies is hardcore :) |
| 13:23.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | eh i used ctraid for a while |
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| 13:23.51 | Garoun|Loupana | grid is primarily for the decursing |
| 13:23.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | but i like how the blizz frames work |
| 13:24.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | look/work |
| 13:24.44 | Garoun|Loupana | youcould certainly use blizz + clique and you'd be all set |
| 13:24.44 | Corrodias | does praid still do debuff highlighting, or is that not working yet, so you're using grid? |
| 13:24.51 | Garoun|Loupana | it does |
| 13:25.12 | Corrodias | when feral, i'm not looking at the raid's health bars, so i can't see if the debuff highlighting is functional |
| 13:25.33 | Garoun|Loupana | I use grid primarily for debuff intensive fights but otherwise praid and that should be all you would need |
| 13:25.36 | Corrodias | where the whole line is highlighted in a bright color when they have a decursable debuff? |
| 13:25.43 | Corrodias | what's grid's advantage in that scenario? |
| 13:25.44 | kaso | anyone fancy taking a look at my pattern with a fresh pair of eyes, perhaps you can spot why it wont work: http://pastey.net/8182 |
| 13:25.45 | Garoun|Loupana | if youhave it set that way |
| 13:26.00 | Corrodias | set that way? i don't see any options (if you're still talking about praid) |
| 13:26.08 | Corrodias | *any such option |
| 13:26.17 | Garoun|Loupana | it's a bunch of blocks so you can visually see something quickly |
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| 13:26.34 | Garoun|Loupana | I tend to use visual queues more then text |
| 13:26.43 | Corrodias | i don't know if you understand |
| 13:27.13 | Garoun|Loupana | probably not, it's 9am and stupid daylight savings time is active :P |
| 13:27.19 | Corrodias | before 2.0, when somebody had a poison or curse on them that i could remove, perfectraid turned the background color of the entire area of the person's name, health bar, and buff/debuff bar a bright green or purple |
| 13:27.22 | Garoun|Loupana | so it's REALLY early for my normal day |
| 13:27.40 | Corrodias | it was extremely obvious if somebody had a debuff i could remove |
| 13:27.53 | Corrodias | i was a healer at that time |
| 13:28.07 | Corrodias | now, i'm not healing, so i can't tell if it still does that. i'm asking you if it still does that. |
| 13:28.17 | Garoun|Loupana | I'm pretty sure clad has that in praid right now, but if not,grid will certainly fill that purpose until then |
| 13:28.27 | Corrodias | you don't know? you use it! |
| 13:28.51 | Garoun|Loupana | Ihaven't used it in a few weeks, I've only been doing 5mans lately :P |
| 13:28.53 | Corrodias | well, so do i, but i don't deal with decursing now :/ |
| 13:29.16 | Garoun|Loupana | he does have buffs/debuffs in there, just not a lot of options on it |
| 13:29.23 | sysrage | sRaidFrames does that. i'd assume praid does too |
| 13:29.41 | Elkano | Grid is nice even for 5mans ^^ |
| 13:29.45 | Garoun|Loupana | yeah he has it so you can add thebuff to thelist and then set to only show if missing or don't check at all |
| 13:30.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | I use oRA for everything that blizzard's frames can't do |
| 13:30.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | that i need |
| 13:30.08 | Corrodias | i'm not talking about showing a little "P" next to the health bar |
| 13:30.14 | Corrodias | that's practically invisible when i'm busy healing |
| 13:31.08 | sysrage | sRaidFrams + oRA2 = weeeeeeeeee |
| 13:31.09 | Garoun|Loupana | I know what you're referring to Corr, it's just been too long and I'm not completely sure so I don't really have an answer :) |
| 13:31.51 | Corrodias | is there a reason to use oRA2 instead of CTRA? i don't even know what either of them -do- |
| 13:31.57 | Corrodias | except maintain a "main tanks" list |
| 13:32.15 | Garoun|Loupana | alot of the raiding stuff is aboutpersonal preference |
| 13:32.27 | Corrodias | oh yes... ctra has an emergency monitor, raid frames, and other stuff that i do'nt use |
| 13:32.31 | Garoun|Loupana | the best thing to do honestly is try them |
| 13:32.43 | zenzelezz | "main tank" lists aren't restricted to CTRA |
| 13:32.45 | Garoun|Loupana | Iuse praid/grid, ora2, bigwigs |
| 13:32.58 | zenzelezz | I hear from my X-perl guildies that they don't need CTRA to see the CTRA-set tanks |
| 13:33.10 | Garoun|Loupana | ora2 can see ctra tans |
| 13:33.11 | Garoun|Loupana | tanks |
| 13:33.28 | Corrodias | xperl reads the MT list and has its own MT frame, yes |
| 13:33.38 | Corrodias | but i suspect the person setting it up needs to have it |
| 13:33.46 | Corrodias | "it" being ctra |
| 13:33.54 | zenzelezz | actually no |
| 13:34.06 | Garoun|Loupana | pretty sure if ora2 or ctra sets it up and they are the RL everyone can get it |
| 13:34.08 | zenzelezz | maybe easier there, but I know one guildie at least figured how to set them without CTRA |
| 13:34.37 | zenzelezz | I use CTRA only for the main tanks window now really, if I wasn't so lazy I'd try to code up a tiny one myself just for those |
| 13:34.50 | zenzelezz | but I'm a warrior, I don't need much else |
| 13:35.44 | Corrodias | perhaps i should get Grid in here |
| 13:37.20 | Corrodias | what i don't like about blizzard frames (or sraidframes by the look of it) is that the health bars are so spread out that it's hard for me to quickly compare them, and the boxes are so "busy" (or "cluttered") that it can be unduly difficult to figure out what the debuff icons mean |
| 13:38.21 | sysrage | as for health bars, *shrug* i'm not a healer |
| 13:38.21 | sysrage | for debuffs, that's why you set it up to turn the WHOLE box pink or whatever color when it's a debuff you an cure |
| 13:38.21 | sysrage | can* |
| 13:38.30 | sysrage | and have it only show buffs you can cast |
| 13:38.31 | Corrodias | this addon says "Allows you to create on-the-fly custom layout for Grid". what the heck does that mean? |
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| 13:53.59 | Nom- | anyone know a setting that would stop ag_UF from showing pet health ? |
| 13:54.18 | Nom- | the pets show up but they're like 5400% and never go below a full green bar |
| 13:55.13 | zenzelezz | if there's no setting (and I have no clue if there is) you could always hack the code where it sets that text, until Blizzard fixes that bug |
| 13:56.20 | Nom- | hmmm well ag_UF has configurable text |
| 13:58.53 | Nom- | Is it MobHealth3 that's breaking it? |
| 13:58.59 | Nom- | Or just a blizzard bug in general ? |
| 13:59.13 | zenzelezz | I'm told party pets (not sure about raid) are bugged at the moment |
| 13:59.51 | zenzelezz | I do know the hunter in my party the other day was asking the druid to heal his pet while it was at full health on my screen |
| 14:00.06 | zenzelezz | bog standard unit frames |
| 14:05.02 | Nom- | so the bug affects standard unit frames too? :( |
| 14:05.30 | [dRaCo] | afaik yes |
| 14:05.59 | Nom- | how not useful |
| 14:07.24 | Nom- | Is there a workaround ? |
| 14:07.33 | bleetah | hmm, I thought that was a pre-BC 'feature' (ie, notabug) that was meant to be fixed in post-BC API. /shrug |
| 14:07.58 | bleetah | insofar as Blizz API goes.. so maybe what you're looking at hasn't been updated... just a wile stab in the dark guess |
| 14:08.11 | zenzelezz | as far as I recall, this is a 2.0.10 thing |
| 14:08.28 | bleetah | yerk |
| 14:09.19 | bleetah | prolly isn't, just to make a liar outta me rofl |
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| 14:26.17 | sysrage | locks pet last night in my group showed at 1275% health |
| 14:28.14 | FlAWD | all pets are doing that |
| 14:28.17 | FlAWD | to me at least |
| 14:28.32 | FlAWD | it has 1275 HP but it's displaying as a percentage |
| 14:28.49 | FlAWD | sucks because you can't see the health going down in the bar till it's under 100HP :X |
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| 15:41.06 | Bouvi | What are some good pvp addons? |
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| 15:45.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | sspvp and alphamap do everything i need more or less |
| 15:45.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | hell i don't even need alphamap, sspvp lets me target FCs in wsg by clicking on who has the flag in the pvp status frame thing |
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| 15:48.40 | Bouvi | Will check them out. I am more of an arena guy atm. |
| 15:51.12 | sysrage | can't believe that's legal |
| 15:51.57 | Cide | that what's legal? |
| 15:52.04 | sysrage | targeting FC that way |
| 15:52.12 | Cide | why not? it only works properly out of combat |
| 15:52.31 | sysrage | *shrug* just seems like ez mode |
| 15:52.56 | Cide | it's just a fancy /target |
| 15:53.07 | Bouvi | Makes no nevermind to me. I have had enough WSG to last a lifetime. |
| 15:53.38 | sysrage | ya. i don't care either. just seems odd |
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| 16:16.37 | Mortius | wondering if anyone could look at this: http://wowi.pastey.net/8187 .. I'm trying to figure out how to draw a statusbar over time... this code (without break) creates an endless loop as X never changes for some reason. |
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| 16:19.23 | Shirik | Mortius: Is that a script? |
| 16:19.34 | Mortius | no its in my .lua |
| 16:19.44 | Shirik | so what's "arg1"? |
| 16:20.12 | Mortius | whatever I type.. I do /draw 10, and would like it to move the castingbar down for 10 seconds. im just trying to learn how to do it. |
| 16:20.39 | Mortius | without break in that code, it locks wow. lol |
| 16:20.41 | Shirik | line 8 - don't redeclare x as local |
| 16:20.49 | Mortius | oh okay |
| 16:20.55 | Shirik | not sure if that's what the problem is, but that's /a/ problem |
| 16:21.18 | Shirik | honestly, you'd be better off attaching a function to the OnUpdate script of a frame |
| 16:21.18 | Mortius | lol, yeah I don't know how to code very well. I'm coming from visual basic where I was also a horrible coder, lol. |
| 16:21.24 | Shirik | which would make it much easier to tell passed time |
| 16:21.44 | Shirik | actually |
| 16:21.49 | Shirik | that's definitely the cause of your problem |
| 16:21.53 | Mortius | oh okay |
| 16:21.58 | Shirik | because the x you're testing in the while is a different x from the loop |
| 16:22.21 | Shirik | so yeah, just do x = GetTime() and that should do it |
| 16:22.29 | Mortius | let me test that out :D thanks a lot. |
| 16:22.34 | Shirik | er, but |
| 16:22.48 | Shirik | you're going to lock up for, say, 10 seconds if you did /draw 10 |
| 16:22.54 | Shirik | which I don't think is what you want |
| 16:23.25 | Shirik | now that I think about this, you /have/ to use OnUpdate here, let me show you |
| 16:23.31 | Shirik | good try though :) |
| 16:23.48 | Mortius | hehe thanks |
| 16:23.54 | Mortius | yeah, it still hard locks wow |
| 16:24.37 | Shirik | yeah, for 10 seconds |
| 16:24.39 | Shirik | while it's stuck in the while |
| 16:24.43 | Shirik | (or whatever) |
| 16:24.55 | Mortius | okay yeah, and that's bad. |
| 16:25.03 | Mortius | so use the onupdate.. hmm |
| 16:26.31 | Mortius | im using WoW UI Designer BTW. I don't know how to do the XML, I let it do it for me :D but I see the ONUpdate event area. |
| 16:28.41 | Shirik | try this out: http://wowi.pastey.net/8189 |
| 16:28.46 | Shirik | note I messed around with "x" and "y" |
| 16:28.50 | Shirik | changed their names |
| 16:29.11 | Shirik | and for the OnUpdate event |
| 16:29.14 | Shirik | you would want to do something like |
| 16:29.48 | Shirik | either <OnUpdate>TestAddon.doUpdate</OnUpdate> or <OnUpdate>function(arg1) TestAddon.doUpdate(arg1); end</OnUpdate> |
| 16:29.52 | Shirik | they're the same |
| 16:30.06 | Shirik | I don't know how to use WoW UI designer so for that you're on your own |
| 16:30.48 | Mortius | okay let me try this out, I really appreciate all the help :D |
| 16:31.16 | Mortius | yeah I got the UI designer down pretty well. it makes everything a lot easier on noobs like me haha |
| 16:34.21 | Shirik | also another thing I don't like is |
| 16:34.24 | Shirik | you do getglobal("DXPBar".."StatusBar1") |
| 16:34.30 | Shirik | why not just do DXPBarStatusBar1 |
| 16:34.59 | Shirik | getglobal("DXPBar".."StatusBar1") == DXPBarStatusBar1 |
| 16:35.14 | Mortius | cause I never knew that lol |
| 16:35.22 | Shirik | well where did you get that code? |
| 16:35.26 | Mortius | these tips are what I need to know :D |
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| 16:35.50 | Shirik | .. is string concatenation. So, "DXPBar".."StatusBar1" is "DXPBarStatusBar1" |
| 16:35.52 | Mortius | um.. I believe I found that while looking in someone elses code.. or might of been on the WoWwiki, which is my current holy bible. |
| 16:35.58 | Shirik | getglobal() merely says "get this global variable" |
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| 16:36.12 | Shirik | therefore getglobal("DXPBar".."StatusBar1") must be equal to DXPBarStatusBar1 |
| 16:36.24 | Mortius | ah okay. well that will save me a bunch of typing :D |
| 16:36.53 | Mortius | I only starting coding LUA about 4 days ago. I do have a little VB background which helps though. |
| 16:37.00 | cogwheel|work | you can do it even shorter (and cheaper) like: _G["DXPBar".."StatusBar1"] |
| 16:37.10 | Shirik | You know VB |
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| 16:37.12 | Shirik | I'm sorry |
| 16:37.15 | Mortius | lol |
| 16:37.19 | Mortius | I never learned C. |
| 16:37.28 | Mortius | I'm currently learning .net though |
| 16:37.31 | Shirik | Then you're missing out on one of the most beautiful languages ever invented |
| 16:37.31 | cogwheel|work | Shirik: I have to deal with VBA for a living :( |
| 16:37.34 | Shirik | haha |
| 16:37.43 | Shirik | purl, comfort cogwheel|work |
| 16:37.44 | purl | There, there, cogwheel|work. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 16:37.55 | Shirik | it could be worse |
| 16:37.59 | Shirik | you could deal with ASP all day |
| 16:38.01 | Mortius | what do you think about .net? |
| 16:38.04 | cogwheel|work | true... |
| 16:38.12 | Shirik | Um... you don't want me to answer that |
| 16:38.16 | zenzelezz | my interest in coding was sparked, ironically, by VB |
| 16:38.17 | Mortius | haha |
| 16:38.31 | zenzelezz | .net is fine, .NET is another matter |
| 16:38.32 | cogwheel|work | my first programming book was for QuickBasic |
| 16:38.45 | Shirik | actually, first language I ever learned was QBASIC, which I guess you can consider what sparked my curiosity in it |
| 16:38.50 | Mortius | I learned how to code first on a commodore 64, which was basic. |
| 16:38.51 | Shirik | strangely enough I never learned VB |
| 16:38.57 | Shirik | but I'm somewhat ... happy about that |
| 16:39.00 | Mortius | yes, QBASIC was one of my first as well. |
| 16:39.18 | Shirik | I made a program for a fundraiser in my little league |
| 16:39.21 | zenzelezz | AddressOf(variable)... didn't VB also use & for string concatenation? |
| 16:39.22 | Shirik | in QBASIC |
| 16:39.23 | Shirik | oh funtimes |
| 16:39.25 | Mortius | actually, I take that back, I learned on an APPLE IIe.. I think first. |
| 16:39.39 | Elkano | qbasic? that was pc already ^^ started on an Atari400 |
| 16:39.49 | Shirik | I learned qbasic on win3.11 |
| 16:39.54 | Shirik | for workgroups! |
| 16:40.18 | Shirik | On my beloved 486 that I still have and the humongous 512MB hard drive |
| 16:40.18 | Mortius | I remember being amazed that I could write a program that would retrieve a random number from 1 to 10. :S |
| 16:40.50 | Mortius | I mean, I was only like 10 at the time. |
| 16:41.06 | Shirik | Those were back in the days when programmers actually cared about memory and efficiency |
| 16:41.09 | Shirik | I wish that would return :/ |
| 16:41.17 | Mortius | I was cracking commodore games by age 12. |
| 16:41.44 | Mortius | I did "Commando" for Eaglesoft. (used the name ACE back then). |
| 16:41.48 | Mortius | Those were the days. |
| 16:42.29 | Mortius | okay back to seeing if I can get this to work haha |
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| 16:51.00 | Mortius | hmm, it keeps telling me that OnUpdate is a nil value |
| 16:51.26 | Shirik | what did you do that it would tell you that? |
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| 16:52.58 | Mortius | now it says DXPBarStatusBar1:OnUpdate (Attempt to index Global testmod a nil value) |
| 16:54.21 | Shirik | Lua is case sensitive |
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| 16:55.18 | Mortius | where do I put that testmod = {, etc... at |
| 16:55.58 | Mortius | I tried putting it at the top of the code in the .lua and then again in the "VARIABLES_LOADED" event |
| 16:56.12 | Mortius | but it keeps saying testmod is nil |
| 16:56.17 | Shirik | either way it wouldn't matter |
| 16:56.29 | Shirik | but testmod needs to be capitalized correctly |
| 16:56.42 | Mortius | I left everything lowercase, should I put it as "TestMod"? |
| 16:56.54 | Shirik | long as you have _everything_ lowercase, that's ok |
| 16:56.57 | Shirik | paste your code again |
| 16:57.28 | Mortius | well I put it like this in the onupdate: testmod.doUpdate(); |
| 16:58.03 | Mortius | testmod.DoUpdate by itself told me it expected '(' |
| 16:58.32 | Mortius | other than that, its copied and pasted from your code |
| 16:58.33 | Shirik | OnUpdate has to be capitalized that way |
| 16:58.40 | Mortius | yes it is. |
| 16:58.57 | Shirik | testmod.doUpdate(); doesn't make any sense actually |
| 16:59.07 | Shirik | if you're going to call it, you'll need to wrap it |
| 16:59.20 | Shirik | function(arg1) testmod.doUpdate(arg1); end |
| 16:59.36 | Shirik | testmod.doUpdate didn't work in OnUpdate ? |
| 16:59.51 | Mortius | no that gave me an error |
| 17:00.03 | Shirik | alternatively you should be able to do frame:SetScript("OnUpdate", testmod.doUpdate); |
| 17:02.18 | Mortius | strange. It's telling me that line 15 is in error because its attempting to index a global "testmod", a nil value. and this is line 15 : function testmod.doUpdate(arg1) |
| 17:02.34 | Mortius | its the beginning of that function |
| 17:02.58 | Mortius | I've never been able to make the "somename"."something" work in my scripts.. always gives an error |
| 17:03.26 | sysrage | does nomodifier:ctrl work or just nomodifier and modifier:ctrl ? |
| 17:03.45 | Shirik | sysrage: yes it does |
| 17:03.49 | sysrage | interesting |
| 17:03.56 | Shirik | Mortius: Did you make the "somename" first? |
| 17:03.57 | cogwheel|work | sysrage: no is just a generic operator that can be stuck onto any condition |
| 17:04.05 | Shirik | I've used it before :/ |
| 17:04.56 | Mortius | see thats just it, I'm not sure what the purpose of the "something"."something" is for. I just use a single word for my functions. why the two words? |
| 17:05.11 | Shirik | foo.bar is the same as foo["bar"] |
| 17:05.14 | Shirik | it's a way to access a table |
| 17:05.25 | Shirik | thus, foo has to be a table before you can do foo.bar |
| 17:05.56 | Mortius | so thats what the testmod = { is right? |
| 17:06.02 | Shirik | yup |
| 17:06.34 | Mortius | why is it telling me that testmod is nil then |
| 17:07.04 | Shirik | paste your code |
| 17:07.12 | Mortius | ok |
| 17:07.17 | Shirik | both the lua and xml |
| 17:07.19 | cogwheel|work | to pastey... |
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| 17:07.35 | Mortius | lol i wasn't about to try to paste it in here :D |
| 17:07.37 | Shirik | cog: I just checked the code, chatframe.lua; nomodifier:ctrl should work |
| 17:07.43 | Shirik | OH |
| 17:07.45 | Shirik | I misread what you said |
| 17:07.48 | Shirik | ok ignore me >< |
| 17:07.56 | cogwheel|work | yeah... i should've put quotes aronud "no" |
| 17:08.03 | cogwheel|work | s/nud/und/ |
| 17:09.48 | Mortius | ok .. try not to laugh, this is my entire .lua.. you probably didn't want the whole thing.. nevermind most of it. the functions we are talking about are at the top haha : http://wowi.pastey.net/8197 |
| 17:11.33 | cogwheel|work | Mortius: you're being inconsistent |
| 17:11.44 | cogwheel|work | at one point, you call it module, then you call it testmod |
| 17:12.14 | Mortius | okay so those names need to match? |
| 17:12.19 | cogwheel|work | you never actually make anything called testmod |
| 17:12.37 | cogwheel|work | of course :P how else is it supposed to know what you're talking about? |
| 17:12.52 | Mortius | I have testmod = {... in the "VARIABLES LOADED" event |
| 17:12.58 | Shirik | you need it way at the top |
| 17:13.04 | Shirik | before you define the functions |
| 17:13.13 | Shirik | otherwise you're making testmod.doUpdate before you make testmod |
| 17:13.31 | cogwheel|work | Mortius: the line function testmod.doUpdate(arg1) runs as soon as the file is loaded. |
| 17:14.54 | cogwheel|work | s/payed/paid/ |
| 17:14.59 | cogwheel|work | stupid daylight saving time |
| 17:15.21 | sysrage | amen |
| 17:15.29 | Shirik | woot |
| 17:15.31 | Shirik | time to take over the channel! |
| 17:15.43 | sysrage | whatever idiot decided to change DST should be shot |
| 17:15.44 | sysrage | and tortured |
| 17:15.46 | sysrage | and shot again |
| 17:15.52 | Shirik | I disagree |
| 17:15.58 | Shirik | whatever idiot decided to make DST in the first placve |
| 17:16.00 | Shirik | should be shot |
| 17:16.02 | Shirik | and tortured |
| 17:16.02 | sysrage | that too |
| 17:16.12 | cogwheel|work | You mean Benjamin Franklin? |
| 17:16.13 | sysrage | but since we had been using it for so long |
| 17:16.18 | Shirik | he was a noob |
| 17:16.18 | zenzelezz | DST was made for a reason, society just moved past that |
| 17:16.26 | Shirik | yeah I know the whole reasoning behind DST |
| 17:16.30 | zenzelezz | it's debated whether Franklin really came up with it or not |
| 17:16.33 | Shirik | ok perhaps this is better: |
| 17:16.54 | Shirik | well you can't really shoot and torture a society but... |
| 17:17.02 | sysrage | yes you can! |
| 17:17.04 | Shirik | why on earth would we change DST instead of just completely getting rid of it |
| 17:17.16 | Shirik | there is little to no purpose for it anymore |
| 17:17.22 | cogwheel|work | Shirik: there are real energy savings because of it |
| 17:17.25 | zenzelezz | getting rid of it would also be changing it, but the problem would only occur once |
| 17:17.26 | Shirik | except to piss off my watch |
| 17:17.29 | cogwheel|work | (not that i agree with that reasoning) |
| 17:17.41 | Mortius | ok I see what you were talking about finally, lol, I thought I had "testmod" but I had "testaddon" duh. okay , I fixed that. I just get an error on the OnUpdate event. |
| 17:17.44 | Shirik | my watch needs a firmware update or something |
| 17:17.48 | Shirik | it refuses to set the right time |
| 17:17.51 | cogwheel|work | By "making" it lighter outside for a longer time after work, people use less energy on artifical lighting |
| 17:18.18 | Shirik | um |
| 17:18.21 | Shirik | I use lights 24/7 |
| 17:18.37 | Shirik | screw energy |
| 17:19.07 | Shirik | natural lighting is the devil btw |
| 17:19.34 | Shirik | have you ever heard of someone getting cancer from florescent lighting? I think not. |
| 17:19.36 | Shirik | But how many reported cases are there of cancer from sunburns? Huh? |
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| 17:19.45 | Shirik | I say we should go blow up the sun and replace it with more energy efficient xeon tubes |
| 17:19.53 | Shirik | or whatever they use in commercial lighting |
| 17:20.39 | Mortius | ok I fixed that I think, but it's telling me I'm trying to perform arithmatic on global "startTime" (a nil value) (line 21) ---> code block = http://wowi.pastey.net/8198 |
| 17:21.11 | Mortius | ok I forgot to fix one of the addons.. dangit |
| 17:21.35 | cogwheel|work | Mortius: you made startTime a member of testmod but in the code you're referencing it as a plain variable |
| 17:21.50 | cogwheel|work | Mortius: you should spend some time reading http://www.lua.org/pil/ |
| 17:22.18 | Shirik | specifically http://www.lua.org/pil/11.html |
| 17:22.24 | Shirik | "Tables in Lua are not a data structure; they are the data structure. All structures that other languages offer---arrays, records, lists, queues, sets---are represented with tables in Lua. More to the point, tables implement all these structures efficiently." |
| 17:22.28 | Mortius | okay doing that |
| 17:22.49 | cogwheel|work | There's a LOT of stuff that you could "fix" both bug-wise and just making it better, more generic code. |
| 17:22.49 | Shirik | s/they are the data/they are _the_ data/ |
| 17:23.00 | kaso | That is a pretty awesome quote |
| 17:23.18 | kaso | The data structure ! |
| 17:23.55 | Shirik | In Soviet Russia, tables index you! |
| 17:24.12 | cogwheel|work | Mortius: you could have a table with the names of all the slots and generate nearly all your functions programatically |
| 17:24.59 | cogwheel|work | I do something similar in my MacroTalk addon in MacroTalkSubstitutions.lua |
| 17:25.17 | Mortius | that is so beyond me at this point. I don't understand most of the code I open when I look at other peoples LUA |
| 17:25.31 | Mortius | I'm trying to learn though |
| 17:25.33 | cogwheel|work | That's why you should read PIL |
| 17:25.53 | cogwheel|work | and not really try to do anything "major" until you have a firmer grasp of Lua |
| 17:27.27 | cogwheel|work | Nothing personal, but there's a lot of really bad code out there from people who just learn the basics. Not only does it make more work for you (having to maintain all those nearly identical functions can be a nightmare of copy/paste bugs), but knowing the "best practices" can save you a lot of performance problems as well. |
| 17:28.38 | Mortius | I try to learn how to do it right, but for some reason I just don't understand. The way those pages attempt to explain things is like greek to me. |
| 17:29.00 | cogwheel|work | "those pages" being Programming in Lua? |
| 17:29.19 | Mortius | yeah, some of them anyway. I understand some parts... but the tables, I just don't get it. |
| 17:29.20 | cogwheel|work | (the site we just linked to you) |
| 17:29.39 | cogwheel|work | Well, i'd say start at the beginning. |
| 17:30.39 | Mortius | when it says things like "declare the constructor function" and then shows me something like setmetatable(o, Window.mt) |
| 17:30.46 | cogwheel|work | And you may not want to skim over things you think you know already because there's a lot of neat little quirks that will help you later on. (even I'm still discovering things) |
| 17:31.21 | cogwheel|work | Mortius: don't start where Shirik linked you.... that's a fairly advanced chapter :P |
| 17:31.25 | Shirik | er |
| 17:31.26 | Shirik | yeah.... |
| 17:31.44 | Shirik | Tables are great and all, but with functionality comes complexity |
| 17:31.49 | Shirik | so you have to understand the basics first |
| 17:32.16 | Shirik | Learning tables before variables is like trying to learn how to make a CPU before understanding digital logic |
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| 17:35.07 | cogwheel|work | Mortius: don't try to understand it to closely, but to give you an idea of what I was talking about before, take a look at http://wowi.pastey.net/8199 -- That 55-line code creates 164 different slash commands that are virtually identical save for the underlying function they call; exactly the type of thing you're doing with inventory slots. |
| 17:37.42 | Mortius | ah okay, I kind of follow whats happening there |
| 17:38.04 | Mortius | except the _G .. |
| 17:38.32 | Mortius | is _G = getglobal? |
| 17:38.40 | zenzelezz | pretty much |
| 17:40.44 | Mortius | okay, one thing I see a lot is when they do .. if (<variable name>) then ... with no == or anything.. does that mean if it's not nil? |
| 17:41.13 | zenzelezz | yes |
| 17:41.15 | kaso | if the variable is anything but nil or false that evaulation will come out as true |
| 17:41.15 | Mortius | I always do if (<variable name> ~= nil) then |
| 17:41.30 | Mortius | gotcha, okay thanks. |
| 17:43.40 | Mortius | well I understand about half of that code. :D it's a start. |
| 17:43.40 | cogwheel|work | Mortius: that would actually be correct if the variable ever has the value of false. |
| 17:44.20 | cogwheel|work | (and it's never wrong, i just like things a bit cleaner looking) |
| 17:44.22 | Mortius | I see the difference, alright. |
| 17:44.55 | Mortius | yes, I know my code looks like chicken scratch lol.. I've just never taken the time to learn how to do it right. |
| 17:45.02 | Shirik | Gotta love Lua |
| 17:45.04 | Mortius | I've always thought, "well it works!" |
| 17:45.06 | Shirik | the only language I know of where 0 is true |
| 17:45.14 | cogwheel|work | :) |
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| 17:45.34 | Mortius | so I see where my error was in my code... |
| 17:45.38 | Mortius | I get no errors now.. |
| 17:45.50 | Mortius | but it still doesn't work lol |
| 17:45.55 | Shirik | "Functions are variables, 0 is true, coding is fun, and Lua is too" -- Iriel |
| 17:45.57 | Shirik | or something like that |
| 17:46.03 | Shirik | I'll have to go look it up again |
| 17:46.41 | Mortius | I'm going to keep reading the "programming in lua" site until I go blind for the day. |
| 17:46.46 | Cide | hey cogwheel|work, do you have that lua binary you compiled around? |
| 17:47.03 | cogwheel|work | http://sf.net/projects/lua511wow |
| 17:47.28 | cogwheel|work | it's in the msvc/release directory of the download |
| 17:47.31 | Cide | cool, thanks |
| 17:47.40 | Mortius | I really appreciate the help and the push in the right direction. I feel like I should pay you guys or something lol. |
| 17:48.07 | cogwheel|work | it's what we're here for :) |
| 17:48.27 | Shirik | he means the help part, not the pay part |
| 17:48.30 | cogwheel|work | (err... "helping"... not "being paid"...) |
| 17:48.31 | Mortius | I love to create things and code, but I guess I need to starting doing it more "correctly". I have a lot of bad habits that I'll have to break :S |
| 17:48.40 | Mortius | hahaha |
| 17:48.52 | cogwheel|work | although.... /ponder |
| 17:48.55 | cogwheel|work | XD |
| 17:49.16 | Mortius | my "programming in basic" teacher at college used to cringe when he saw my code with the 10,000 goto's |
| 17:49.31 | cogwheel|work | haha |
| 17:49.32 | Shirik | I'll warn you, get out of that habit now |
| 17:49.33 | cogwheel|work | i would too :P |
| 17:49.45 | Mortius | I loved my goto command :D |
| 17:49.57 | Shirik | I hated when I had to give it up when I learned C |
| 17:50.03 | Shirik | well you didn't have to, but was recommended to |
| 17:50.13 | Shirik | but... in time you learn to stop using it, and it's much better to not use it |
| 17:50.19 | Mortius | yeah, he said, if I REALLY had to use something, use GOSUB instead |
| 17:50.23 | Shirik | it makes your program flow better |
| 17:50.56 | Shirik | even in assembly I try to jump as little as possible |
| 17:51.02 | Shirik | when I have to, I typically use a subroutine |
| 17:51.15 | Shirik | granted sometimes it's unavoidable (if/then constructs) but when I can.. |
| 17:51.19 | Mortius | I'm already starting to comprehend tables a lot better now, just looking at that code sample helped a lot. I just need to figure out what a few of those lines do. |
| 17:51.45 | cogwheel|work | feel free to highlight them and link it again... |
| 17:52.08 | Mortius | well it makes some calls to functions that arn't there, I believe... |
| 17:52.09 | cogwheel|work | (just click the line numbers next to them & it'll change the url) |
| 17:52.34 | Mortius | http://wowi.pastey.net/8199?hi=26 |
| 17:52.55 | cogwheel|work | MacroTalk_DoCommand is a function I define in another file. It simply issues a slash command. |
| 17:53.04 | Mortius | okay gotcha |
| 17:53.34 | Shirik | ok, two possibilities.... |
| 17:53.55 | Shirik | either this new backup system works and it deletes all my interface folders, but puts them into zip files first |
| 17:54.11 | Shirik | or I delete my entire WoW install (at best... perhaps it tries to destroy the entire hard drive at worst) |
| 17:54.13 | Shirik | taking bets? |
| 17:55.00 | Shirik | I had to rewrite the entire backup system for the updater because it was taking 3 minutes just to zip up a single directory.... it turns it because I was backing it up about 10 times too many >< |
| 17:55.00 | Mortius | haha I'll give 2:1 odds that it works. :P |
| 17:55.28 | Shirik | the updater I'm writing; it backs up the interface's folder before deleting it and installing the new version |
| 17:55.33 | Shirik | whether or not it works is the question |
| 17:55.37 | cogwheel|work | ah |
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| 17:55.52 | Mortius | I could write that in the bestest language ever: VISUAL BASIC! |
| 17:55.53 | cogwheel|work | no gray area between the two? :P |
| 17:56.01 | Shirik | um |
| 17:56.19 | Shirik | gray area is what? I can personally guarantee it'll delete something |
| 17:56.30 | cogwheel|work | hehe... then i pick the first one |
| 17:56.31 | Shirik | whether it deletes the interface folder or something else is unknown yet |
| 17:56.44 | cogwheel|work | unit testing 4tw? |
| 17:56.50 | Shadowed | wheres the fun in that? |
| 17:56.59 | cogwheel|work | opportunity cost... |
| 17:57.04 | Shirik | screw that, I'm just hitting the "go" button and seeing what happens |
| 17:57.06 | Mortius | dir1.path = "c:\program files\world of warcraft\interface" |
| 17:57.11 | Shirik | everything's on google's svn server, I won't lose any major work |
| 17:58.36 | Mortius | I coded an updater for my crappy mod in vb. lol.. I have a few rl friends who use it :D |
| 17:59.12 | Mortius | it works pretty good. scans the files, only downloads the ones that are new. |
| 17:59.55 | Mortius | but awful code. I mean awful awful. but it works! lol |
| 18:00.08 | cogwheel|work | I'm guilty of awful code as well... |
| 18:00.28 | zenzelezz | I prefer the term spaghetti code |
| 18:00.33 | cogwheel|work | This is about 8 years ago: http://home.comcast.net/~m_orlando/ppong.cpp |
| 18:00.44 | Shirik | cog, here's why I had to rewrite the backup system from the ground up. This is the old system: http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/7776/zomgzipsfv3.jpg |
| 18:01.05 | kaso | haha |
| 18:01.06 | kaso | awesome |
| 18:01.10 | Shirik | the um... one 184KB file is the one that's supposed to be there |
| 18:01.16 | Shirik | the others... I have no idea where the hell they came from |
| 18:01.18 | Shirik | but wasn't about to test |
| 18:01.50 | Shirik | I just commented out the code and started over |
| 18:02.08 | Shirik | oh I also wrote this comment in the code that I got rid of: |
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| 18:02.44 | Shirik | @todo I don't know what crack I was smoking when I wrote this, but this is moronic we'll make a billion zip files here from addons like auctioneer. We need to handle this in a single, atomic operation. |
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| 18:05.09 | zenzelezz | I don't have many funny comments in my code, but I have the occasional "// Try to flip the values back" |
| 18:05.27 | Shirik | Cidan and I both have a sense of humor in our comments :P |
| 18:05.34 | kaso | The only coments i have are ones where ive removed old code :< |
| 18:05.37 | kaso | im lazy |
| 18:05.41 | Shirik | several of RDX's comments complain to blizzard, actually |
| 18:05.53 | kaso | howso? |
| 18:06.10 | Shadowed | i've complained about inconsistancies in battleground messages sometimes |
| 18:06.54 | Mortius | I think the only comment I've ever added to any of my code was // dont forget doctors appointment at 4:00pm |
| 18:06.56 | Shadowed | those were always fun bugs to track down |
| 18:07.01 | cogwheel|work | Blizzard's code has some funny comments in it... |
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| 18:08.19 | zenzelezz | hm, I see I have a conversation with myself in one of these code files... "// No more files?" "// Are we recursing?" "// Yes, we're recursing... are there more subdirectories?" "// Yes, so prepare search string again" |
| 18:12.02 | nevcairiel | hehe |
| 18:12.20 | nevcairiel | at university i used the comments to talk to the assistant who gets the code :D |
| 18:13.35 | Shirik | haha |
| 18:13.58 | Shirik | // please give me an A, I need to pass this course |
| 18:14.05 | Shirik | // I'll give you a cookie |
| 18:14.28 | nevcairiel | nah |
| 18:14.32 | nevcairiel | i had no problems passing |
| 18:14.34 | Mortius | wow I'm learning a lot here. I got my code to work finally too. I'm off to study, try to make some of my code a bit better using tables. thank again for all the help. I'll be back sometime to show you the improved code (hopefully). if you don't hear from me in like a week then my head exploaded. |
| 18:14.38 | nevcairiel | just some funny comments |
| 18:15.01 | cogwheel|work | gl, Mortius |
| 18:15.14 | Mortius | thanks, take care. :D |
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| 19:26.59 | Cide | which lua modules are disabled in wow? |
| 19:26.59 | Cide | io... anything else? |
| 19:27.00 | cogwheel|work | os |
| 19:28.33 | Cide | test? can you see this?! |
| 19:28.39 | Cide | hm. |
| 19:28.40 | Shadowed | ~lart Cide |
| 19:28.40 | cogwheel|work | yes. |
| 19:28.43 | cogwheel|work | i answered :P |
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| 19:29.55 | Shadowed | Didn't Blizzard fix poisons chain proccing? That or I got 3 procs off 3 attacks at the same time |
| 19:31.52 | Cide | >>> return "hi" |
| 19:31.52 | Cide | foo |
| 19:32.01 | Cide | nice... |
| 19:32.17 | Cide | >>> return "no?" |
| 19:32.18 | Cide | foo |
| 19:32.32 | Cide | >>> return "yes?" |
| 19:32.33 | Cide | yes? |
| 19:32.50 | Cide | >>> local msg = ""; for i = 0, 9, 1 do msg = msg .. i; end return msg |
| 19:32.51 | Cide | 0123456789 |
| 19:33.57 | TC_Working | Cide is pondering Cide's actions |
| 19:34.20 | Cide | >>> function test(max) return math.random(0, max) end local msg = ""; for i = 1, 9, 1 do msg = msg .. test(i) end return msg |
| 19:34.20 | Cide | 010433288 |
| 19:34.27 | Cide | try it out :) |
| 19:34.40 | Cide | >>> --[[ insert lua code here ]] |
| 19:34.55 | Cide | and don't loop me to death because that's probably possible right now! |
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| 19:35.08 | zenzelezz | you turned yourself into a bot? |
| 19:35.13 | Cide | yep! |
| 19:35.25 | [dRaCo] | >>> format c: |
| 19:35.27 | [dRaCo] | :/ |
| 19:35.47 | TC_Working | hmm... |
| 19:35.49 | Shadowed | it's oh so tempting to loop you to death :( |
| 19:36.22 | pastamancer | how about os.exit? |
| 19:36.37 | Cide | os and io should be disabled now |
| 19:36.42 | zenzelezz | >>> Cide = nil |
| 19:37.01 | Cide | have to return something :) |
| 19:37.07 | zenzelezz | what fun is that |
| 19:37.15 | pastamancer | >>> return debug.traceback() |
| 19:37.46 | Shadowed | >>> return math13241es |
| 19:37.57 | Cide | maybe it's not recognizing your text, sec |
| 19:38.05 | Shadowed | actually guess it would be |
| 19:38.25 | Cide | try now |
| 19:38.26 | Shadowed | >>> for i=11, 13 then end return "foo"; |
| 19:38.36 | Shadowed | guess nothing happens if you send an error! |
| 19:38.40 | Cide | ah, sec |
| 19:38.49 | Cide | try again! |
| 19:39.01 | pastamancer | might want to make sure loadfile and loadlib are disabled too |
| 19:39.03 | Shadowed | >>> for i=11, 13 then end return "foo"; |
| 19:39.20 | pastamancer | >>> return gcinfo() |
| 19:40.53 | Cide | maybe now |
| 19:40.56 | pastamancer | >>> return gcinfo() |
| 19:41.00 | Cide | once more! |
| 19:41.03 | pastamancer | >>> return gcinfo() |
| 19:41.13 | pastamancer | :( |
| 19:41.14 | Cide | oops, python error |
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| 19:44.00 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 19:47.48 | cogwheel|work | does each script have its own environment? |
| 19:48.58 | Cide | yeah |
| 19:49.38 | Cide | >>> return gcinfo() |
| 19:49.39 | Cide | 010433288 |
| 19:49.43 | Cide | guess it didn't like that |
| 19:50.00 | Cide | >>> return gcinfo() |
| 19:50.00 | Cide | 33 |
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| 19:51.09 | Shadowed | >>> 134fik qwekrq |
| 19:51.23 | pastamancer | >>> return gcinfo() |
| 19:52.28 | kaso | whats to stop us doing something like local r="" for i=1,999999 do r = r .. "a" end return r and getting you kicked for flood :> |
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| 19:53.08 | Shadowed | [34:21] <+Cide> and don't loop me to death because that's probably possible right now! |
| 19:53.09 | Cide | kaso: nothing :P |
| 19:53.35 | Shadowed | question is, how evil are you really! |
| 19:53.44 | wereHamster | kaso, I think lua has string.repeat() or something like that |
| 19:53.46 | cogwheel|work | cide, did you compile from source? |
| 19:54.01 | kaso | string.rep |
| 19:54.07 | kaso | you know i never knew that |
| 19:54.15 | Cide | cogwheel|work: nah, used your precompiled binary |
| 19:55.21 | cogwheel|work | You could probably fairly easily add a timer to the lua engine to keep infinite/really long loops from freezing you |
| 19:55.38 | Cide | yeah, I was thinking about that, but my c skills are quite lacking |
| 19:55.45 | Shadowed | >>> return string.rep( "foo ", 2 ) |
| 19:56.17 | pastamancer | hell, you could probably use SIGALRM from the python wrapper |
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| 19:57.21 | cogwheel|work | You may also want to truncate the output at some number of chars or \n's |
| 19:57.30 | cogwheel|work | s/ or / and / |
| 19:59.07 | kaso | I would put some prefix before the you print to irc, to stop people making you say things >>> return "I suck!" |
| 19:59.25 | Cide | but that's no fun! |
| 19:59.35 | cogwheel|work | >>> return "I like pie." |
| 20:00.12 | kaso | Then in that case im going to write a script to echo random silly comments and random periods of time up a few hours after. |
| 20:00.17 | Shadowed | does it print it into a specific channel, or just replies on the same one they sent it with? |
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| 20:01.59 | Cide | same one |
| 20:02.22 | Cide | I'm getting " TypeError: 'NoneType' object is unsubscriptable" and I'm not sure why though! |
| 20:05.50 | Cide | >>> return gcinfo() |
| 20:05.50 | Cide | 33 |
| 20:05.52 | Cide | try now |
| 20:06.02 | cogwheel|work | >>> return "I like pie" |
| 20:06.02 | pastamancer | >>> return ">>> return gcinfo()" |
| 20:06.03 | Cide | I like pie |
| 20:06.03 | Cide | >>> return gcinfo() |
| 20:06.23 | Shadowed | >>> 1341341 |
| 20:06.23 | Cide | attempt to call a nil value |
| 20:06.23 | Cide | oh, I forgot to reload |
| 20:06.23 | zenzelezz | "Fixed the issue with Shoulder-pads appearing incorrectly on Opifex characters (really we mean it, we aren't making it up!)" -- how I missed Anarchy Online's patch note style |
| 20:06.24 | cogwheel|work | pastamancer: now make a quine ... |
| 20:06.51 | pastamancer | cogwheel|work: well, I wasn't sure if a quine would get cide stuck in a loop |
| 20:07.30 | cogwheel|work | hehe |
| 20:07.41 | Cide | >>> return gcinfo() |
| 20:07.41 | Cide | 33 |
| 20:07.53 | Cide | should work now I hope |
| 20:07.57 | zenzelezz | >>> ReloadUI() |
| 20:07.58 | Cide | [string "ReloadUI()"]:1: attempt to call global 'ReloadUI' (a nil value) |
| 20:08.00 | zenzelezz | :-( |
| 20:08.16 | TC_Working | samsung booth babe http://gizmodo.com/photogallery/leo/ |
| 20:08.18 | Cide | hah |
| 20:08.36 | Shadowed | >>> for i=1, 100 do end return "pie!"; |
| 20:08.37 | Cide | pie! |
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| 20:08.39 | TC_Working | i swear they are just going to start shoving them out naked |
| 20:09.04 | Shadowed | thats pretty well done though |
| 20:09.07 | zenzelezz | she's not even pretty |
| 20:09.13 | Shadowed | the face is horrible tho |
| 20:09.14 | cogwheel|work | >>> return '"'..(("%s"):format(" blah ")):trim()..'"' |
| 20:09.14 | Cide | "blah" |
| 20:09.42 | cogwheel|work | Cide: maybe make it give the name of the person who entered the command, like cogwheel|work: "blah" |
| 20:09.45 | pastamancer | >>> t = [[ return("t = [[" .. t .. "]] return t" ]] return t |
| 20:09.45 | Cide | attempt to call a nil value |
| 20:09.54 | TC_Working | you really cant tell if she is pretty though, not with all the makup |
| 20:10.30 | cogwheel|work | pastamancer: can't nest comments |
| 20:10.41 | cogwheel|work | (since 5.1, that is) |
| 20:11.02 | Bouvi | Oh where oh where has my Bongos gone. Oh where oh where can it be... Probably with vBagnon lol |
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| 20:11.20 | Shadowed | the costume is ugly around the face at least |
| 20:11.22 | Tuller | hrm? |
| 20:11.38 | pastamancer | >>> t = [[ return("t = \[\[" .. t .. "\]\]; return t" ]]; return t |
| 20:11.38 | Cide | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:11.45 | Bouvi | Hiya Tuller :) |
| 20:11.48 | pastamancer | oh, right |
| 20:11.55 | Tuller | what did I do? :P |
| 20:12.42 | Bouvi | Oh nothing just wondering what is in store for vBagnon and Bongos. I loves both of them so much. |
| 20:13.01 | TC_Working | i dunno, it;s the balck under the lip that makes it all weird |
| 20:13.01 | Tuller | vBagnon -> classic bagnon, bongos -> new bongos |
| 20:13.09 | Tuller | at least, that's the plan in my head |
| 20:13.34 | Bouvi | What is in classic that is not in vBagnon or visa versa |
| 20:13.39 | kaso | >>> return loadstring("return \"hi\"") |
| 20:13.39 | Cide | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:13.42 | Tuller | categories |
| 20:13.55 | kaso | how did that happen ^_- |
| 20:13.59 | Tuller | I went to 70 without using them, so I decided they were not necessary |
| 20:14.28 | Tuller | other than the fact my UI for them was terrible :) |
| 20:14.28 | Bouvi | :( I love those. I have it set to show all my trash stuff for easy get rid of and show my armor. Love em in the bank where I can sort tradeskills, receipes, etc. |
| 20:14.43 | Shadowed | I guess we can't get the current path without using io or os |
| 20:14.44 | Cide | kaso: hm, I think you errored my code |
| 20:15.14 | Tuller | trash items, you can get a mod to destroy those easily |
| 20:15.18 | Tuller | armor - you can search for armor in the double click search now |
| 20:15.39 | wereHamster | "double click search"? what's that? |
| 20:15.57 | Tuller | double click the title of bagnon, and a box comes up |
| 20:16.32 | Bouvi | Do you have it ready for release yet? I would love to be able to find all netherweave in my bank without looking. |
| 20:17.25 | pastamancer | >>> return type(getfenv(0)["os"]) |
| 20:17.26 | Cide | pastamancer: nil |
| 20:17.40 | Cide | sorry :) |
| 20:17.41 | Shadowed | >>> return "pie" |
| 20:17.42 | Cide | Shadowed: pie |
| 20:17.47 | pastamancer | just making sure :) |
| 20:17.52 | Cide | >>> return 1, 2, 3 |
| 20:17.52 | Cide | Cide: 1 2 3 |
| 20:18.12 | Tuller | I have a beta up on my google code website/curse |
| 20:18.12 | Cide | >>> return { 1, 2, 3 }, { }, "hi", nil |
| 20:18.12 | Cide | Cide: table: 003DB3F8 table: 003DB3D0 hi |
| 20:18.18 | kaso | >>> return "You're the most awesome person in the world" |
| 20:18.18 | Cide | kaso: You're the most awesome person in the world |
| 20:18.22 | kaso | ah, thanks |
| 20:18.28 | wereHamster | lol :) |
| 20:18.40 | Bouvi | Cool might play with it when I return from Florida next week |
| 20:18.45 | Bouvi | Thanks |
| 20:19.05 | Cide | >>> return "hi" |
| 20:19.05 | Cide | Cide: "hi" |
| 20:19.09 | Cide | >>> return "hi", 1, 2, "hi", nil, "there" |
| 20:19.10 | Cide | Cide: "hi" 1 2 "hi" |
| 20:19.25 | cogwheel|work | hmmm |
| 20:19.54 | kergoth | stopped at first nil? not using select('#', ...)? |
| 20:19.58 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:20.02 | Cide | using table.concat |
| 20:20.10 | kergoth | ah |
| 20:20.11 | Cide | but I'm changing it as we speak |
| 20:20.32 | Cide | >>> return "hi", 1, 2, "hi", nil, "there" |
| 20:20.32 | Cide | Cide: "hi" 1 2 "hi" "there" |
| 20:20.35 | Cide | heh |
| 20:20.40 | pastamancer | perhaps a tostring() |
| 20:20.49 | kergoth | yeah a tostring on each would be best |
| 20:20.53 | Tem | wtf |
| 20:21.05 | Tem | like 2/3 of the torrent sites I frequent are down |
| 20:21.27 | Cide | >>> return "hi", 1, 2, "hi", nil, "there" |
| 20:21.27 | Cide | Cide: "hi" 1 2 "hi" nil "there" |
| 20:21.43 | Cide | >>> return nil, nil, nil, nil, nil, nil, 1 |
| 20:21.44 | Cide | Cide: nil nil nil nil nil nil 1 |
| 20:21.49 | pastamancer | >>> loadstring = nil; return "oops" |
| 20:21.49 | Cide | pastamancer: "oops" |
| 20:22.06 | Cide | hehe :) |
| 20:23.10 | TC_Working | cide can i try and loop you useing purl? |
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| 20:23.23 | pastamancer | haha |
| 20:23.26 | Shadowed | hmmm |
| 20:23.27 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 20:23.32 | Feonix762 | Quick question.. can anyone tell me where/how I can get a list of the UI window names for WoW.. like LootFrame, MerchantFrame, etc |
| 20:23.37 | Shadowed | : ~lart TC_Working |
| 20:23.40 | TC_Working | please? |
| 20:23.44 | Shadowed | wouldn't work because of the prefix of your name |
| 20:24.02 | Shadowed | TC_Working: purl, lart TC_Working |
| 20:24.08 | Cide | TC_Working: go ahead :) |
| 20:24.29 | TC_Working | no, hes right |
| 20:24.40 | TC_Working | i have to get around that name thing and i cant |
| 20:24.53 | Cide | I don't have a prefix |
| 20:24.55 | Cide | purl, lart Cide |
| 20:25.08 | TC_Working | ~purlloop |
| 20:25.10 | purl | >>> return ~purl purlloop |
| 20:25.18 | Cide | haha |
| 20:25.23 | TC_Working | nope |
| 20:25.24 | Cide | good thing I blocked purl :) |
| 20:25.24 | pastamancer | almost |
| 20:25.27 | TC_Working | boo |
| 20:25.28 | haste | haha |
| 20:25.48 | Shadowed | >>> return "test" |
| 20:25.48 | Cide | Shadowed: "test" |
| 20:25.57 | Shadowed | Thats the prefix i meant |
| 20:26.00 | TC_Working | i know |
| 20:26.10 | Shadowed | I meant what Cide said about having no prefix! |
| 20:26.16 | Shadowed | >>> ~lart Cide |
| 20:26.16 | Cide | Shadowed: attempt to call a nil value |
| 20:26.20 | Shadowed | er |
| 20:26.24 | Shadowed | >>> return "~lart Cide" |
| 20:26.24 | Cide | Shadowed: "~lart Cide" |
| 20:27.21 | TC_Working | make a nick with "~" |
| 20:27.48 | Shadowed | ~lart: Cide |
| 20:28.01 | Shadowed | Can you add ":" as a command for purl? |
| 20:28.06 | Shadowed | into a command that is |
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| 20:30.17 | pastamancer | >>> xco = coroutine.create(function () for n = 1,10 do coroutine.yield(n) end); return coroutine.resume(xco) |
| 20:30.18 | Cide | pastamancer: attempt to call a nil value |
| 20:30.43 | pastamancer | no coroutine library? |
| 20:30.47 | Cide | it's in |
| 20:30.54 | Cide | >>> return coroutine |
| 20:30.54 | Cide | Cide: table: 00227098 |
| 20:31.17 | pastamancer | >>> return type(coroutine.resume) |
| 20:31.18 | Cide | pastamancer: "function" |
| 20:31.24 | pastamancer | >>> return type(coroutine.create) |
| 20:31.25 | Cide | pastamancer: "function" |
| 20:32.00 | pastamancer | >>> x = "foo; return x |
| 20:32.00 | Cide | pastamancer: attempt to call a nil value |
| 20:32.07 | pastamancer | >>> x = "foo"; return x |
| 20:32.08 | Cide | pastamancer: "foo" |
| 20:32.14 | pastamancer | >>> return x |
| 20:32.14 | Cide | pastamancer: |
| 20:32.32 | Cide | :) |
| 20:33.51 | cogwheel|work | >>> local s = "" for k,v in getmetatable("") do s = s.." "..k..", "..v.." " end return s |
| 20:33.51 | Cide | cogwheel|work: [string "local s = "" for k,v in getmetatable("") do..."]:1: attempt to call a table value |
| 20:34.10 | cogwheel|work | >>> local s = "" for k,v in pairs(getmetatable("")) do s = s.." "..k..", "..v.." " end return s |
| 20:34.10 | Cide | cogwheel|work: [string "local s = "" for k,v in pairs(getmetatable(..."]:1: attempt to concatenate local 'v' (a table value) |
| 20:34.22 | cogwheel|work | >>> local s = "" for k,v in pairs(getmetatable("")) do s = s.." "..k..", "..tostring(v).." " end return s |
| 20:34.22 | Cide | cogwheel|work: " __index, table: 00167458 " |
| 20:35.07 | cogwheel|work | >>> local s = "" for k,v in pairs(getmetatable("")["__index"]) do s = s..k..", " end return s |
| 20:35.07 | Cide | cogwheel|work: "split, match, gmatch, upper, gsub, format, lower, sub, gfind, find, char, dump, join, reverse, byte, trim, len, rep, " |
| 20:35.30 | cogwheel|work | woops... need to delete split & join from there... |
| 20:36.03 | cogwheel|work | >>> return getmetatable("")["__index"] == string |
| 20:36.03 | Cide | cogwheel|work: true |
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| 20:37.17 | kaso | >> s="test" |
| 20:37.23 | kaso | >>> s="tset" |
| 20:37.24 | Cide | kaso: |
| 20:37.27 | kaso | >>> return s |
| 20:37.27 | Cide | kaso: |
| 20:37.32 | kaso | interesting |
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| 20:47.20 | cogwheel|work | Cide: I uploaded a new version with split & join removed from the string table |
| 20:47.30 | Cide | does it matter? :) |
| 20:47.39 | Cide | I'll grab it though |
| 20:47.40 | Cide | sec |
| 20:47.54 | cogwheel|work | just for consistency's sake :) |
| 20:48.19 | Cide | can you give me the url again? :) |
| 20:48.28 | cogwheel|work | sf.net/projects/lua511wow |
| 20:48.36 | kaso | wait? i thought Split and join are part of wow ui now |
| 20:48.45 | kaso | or at least split |
| 20:48.47 | cogwheel|work | yes, but not part of the string table |
| 20:49.03 | cogwheel|work | only as global functions |
| 20:49.04 | kaso | oh, are they just stand alones, my memory is bad |
| 20:49.15 | Cide | >>> strsplit |
| 20:49.15 | Cide | Cide: attempt to call a nil value |
| 20:49.21 | Cide | >>> return strsplit |
| 20:49.22 | Cide | Cide: function: 0033A9F8 |
| 20:49.29 | pastamancer | >>> return tinsert |
| 20:49.30 | Cide | pastamancer: function: 00311EA0 |
| 20:50.24 | Cide | >>> return string.split |
| 20:50.24 | Cide | Cide: |
| 20:50.37 | cogwheel|work | kaso: stings all have their metatable set to the string library so you can do things like someString:lower(). But strsplit & strjoin take the separator & joiner, respectively, as the first argument |
| 20:50.37 | pastamancer | >>> return debug |
| 20:50.38 | Cide | pastamancer: table: 002F7520 |
| 20:50.53 | Cide | cogwheel|work: in, thanks |
| 20:50.55 | cogwheel|work | (", "):join(a, b, c) looks silly |
| 20:51.07 | Cide | cogwheel|work: that's python syntax as well :) |
| 20:51.25 | Cide | but ya, it does look a bit weird |
| 20:52.25 | pastamancer | >>> return debug.traceback() |
| 20:52.25 | Cide | pastamancer: "stack traceback: |
| 20:52.26 | cogwheel|work | and so (";"):split("hey; there; lalal; boo!") is entirely counterintuitive so they left them out of the string library |
| 20:52.47 | Shadowed | cogwheel|work: split? |
| 20:52.49 | cogwheel|work | strsplit |
| 20:53.04 | Shadowed | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:53.12 | pastamancer | >>> return string.gsub(debug.traceback(), "\n", "|") |
| 20:53.12 | Cide | pastamancer: "stack traceback:|[string "return string.gsub(debug.traceback(), "\n",..."]:1: in main chunk|[C]: in function 'pcall'|d:\lua\input.tmp:6: in main chunk|[C]: ?" 4 |
| 20:53.13 | cogwheel|work | in wow? |
| 20:53.18 | cogwheel|work | i thought he took that out... |
| 20:53.21 | Shadowed | yeah |
| 20:53.23 | cogwheel|work | s/he/slouken/ |
| 20:53.34 | Shadowed | split = function [strsplit] in devtools |
| 20:53.46 | cogwheel|work | hmmm... |
| 20:53.52 | Shadowed | split, match,g match, upper, gsub, format, lower, sub, gfind, find, char, dump, join, reverse, byte, trim, len, rep |
| 20:54.54 | pastamancer | >>> return select(20, string.gsub(string.gsub(debug.traceback(), "\n", "|"), "\t", "> ")) |
| 20:54.55 | Cide | pastamancer: |
| 20:55.22 | pastamancer | >>> return #(string.gsub(string.gsub(debug.traceback(), "\n", "|"), "\t", "> ")) |
| 20:55.23 | Cide | pastamancer: 165 |
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| 20:56.27 | pastamancer | >>> return string.sub(string.gsub(string.gsub(debug.traceback(), "\n", "|"), "\t", "> "), 20) |
| 20:56.28 | Cide | pastamancer: "[string "return string.sub(string.gsub(string.gsub(d..."]:1: in main chunk|> [C]: in function 'pcall'|> d:\lua\input.tmp:6: in main chunk|> [C]: ?" |
| 20:56.47 | pastamancer | >>> return string.sub(string.gsub(string.gsub(debug.traceback(), "\n", "|"), "\t", "> "), 40) |
| 20:56.47 | Cide | pastamancer: "ng.sub(string.gsub(string.gsub(d..."]:1: in main chunk|> [C]: in function 'pcall'|> d:\lua\input.tmp:6: in main chunk|> [C]: ?" |
| 20:57.35 | pastamancer | >>> return string.sub(string.gsub(string.gsub(debug.traceback(), "\n", "|"), "\t", "> "), 120) |
| 20:57.36 | Cide | pastamancer: "'|> d:\lua\input.tmp:6: in main chunk|> [C]: ?" |
| 20:58.21 | pastamancer | >>> return loadfile("d:\lua\input.tmp") |
| 20:58.21 | Cide | pastamancer: [string "return loadfile("d:\lua\input.tmp")"]:1: attempt to call global 'loadfile' (a nil value) |
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| 21:07.30 | cogwheel|work | Cide: guess i was wrong... don't bother with that new file ... |
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| 21:13.59 | cogwheel|work | >>> return "test\ntest" |
| 21:13.59 | Cide | cogwheel|work: "test |
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| 21:16.16 | haste | >>> return "東京事変" |
| 21:16.16 | Cide | haste: "東京事変" |
| 21:16.23 | haste | aw, it didn't blow up :( |
| 21:16.48 | pastamancer | >> return "`foo`" |
| 21:16.54 | pastamancer | >>> return "`foo`" |
| 21:16.54 | Cide | pastamancer: "`foo`" |
| 21:18.53 | Cide | there's a simple way to error it but I won't reveal it :P |
| 21:19.19 | nevcairiel | infinite loop ?:p |
| 21:19.43 | kergoth | just recursive infinately, blow the stack? |
| 21:19.44 | pastamancer | I was hoping for some string interpolation at some point along the way |
| 21:19.45 | Cide | that would just lock me up :) |
| 21:20.24 | Cide | >>> return ]==========]abc |
| 21:20.24 | Cide | Cide: "`foo`" |
| 21:20.40 | Cide | errors and prints the previous message instead.. not that interesting |
| 21:21.19 | Shadowed | >>> for i=1, 10000 do end print "done!" |
| 21:21.19 | Cide | Shadowed: |
| 21:21.23 | Shadowed | hmm |
| 21:21.39 | kaso | you have to return |
| 21:21.40 | Shadowed | er oops |
| 21:21.49 | Shadowed | yeah just realised that |
| 21:22.02 | Cide | >>> for i=1, 10000 do print "" end return "done" |
| 21:22.02 | Cide | Cide: "done" |
| 21:22.08 | kergoth | >>> func = function() func() end return func() |
| 21:22.08 | Cide | kergoth: [string "func = function() func() end return func()"]:1: stack overflow |
| 21:22.16 | kergoth | fun |
| 21:22.25 | Cide | hehe :) |
| 21:22.37 | Cide | those errors are intended though, to give feedback |
| 21:22.42 | Cide | >>> true=false |
| 21:22.43 | Cide | Cide: attempt to call a nil value |
| 21:24.57 | cogwheel|work | >>> a = { 1, nil, 1 } local s = "" for i, v in ipairs(a) do s = s..v.." " end return s:trim() |
| 21:24.58 | Cide | cogwheel|work: "1" |
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| 21:30.44 | kaso | >>> for key,val in pairs(_G) do if string.find(key,"[Rr]andom") then return(key) end |
| 21:30.44 | Cide | kaso: attempt to call a nil value |
| 21:30.44 | kaso | >>> for key,val in pairs(_G) do if string.find(key,"[Rr]andom") then return(key) end end |
| 21:30.45 | Cide | kaso: "randomseed" |
| 21:31.02 | wereHamster | >>> return require |
| 21:31.02 | Cide | wereHamster: function: 002B1D00 |
| 21:31.18 | wereHamster | >>> return require("io") |
| 21:31.18 | Cide | wereHamster: table: 002972F0 |
| 21:32.29 | kaso | Ha |
| 21:32.32 | wereHamster | >>> local s="" for k,v in require("io") do s=s.." "..tostring(k) end return s |
| 21:32.33 | Cide | wereHamster: [string "local s="" for k,v in require("io") do s=s...."]:1: attempt to call a table value |
| 21:32.33 | kaso | woops |
| 21:32.48 | kaso | pairs() ! |
| 21:33.01 | wereHamster | >>> local s="" for k,v in pairs(require("io")) do s=s.." "..tostring(k) end return s |
| 21:33.10 | Cide | whoops, try again! |
| 21:33.21 | TC_Working | cide, your being used like a $2 whore |
| 21:33.33 | Cide | all in good fun! |
| 21:33.37 | TC_Working | yup |
| 21:33.41 | Shadowed | until someone freezes you |
| 21:33.42 | wereHamster | did you remove require? |
| 21:33.48 | Shadowed | >>> return require |
| 21:33.48 | Cide | Shadowed: |
| 21:33.51 | Cide | >>> return type(require) |
| 21:33.51 | Cide | Cide: "nil" |
| 21:34.02 | wereHamster | >>> return module |
| 21:34.03 | Cide | wereHamster: function: 007C1CC0 |
| 21:34.06 | Cide | damn you |
| 21:34.07 | wereHamster | :P |
| 21:34.09 | Shadowed | haha |
| 21:34.20 | Cide | >>> return type(module) |
| 21:34.20 | Cide | Cide: "nil" |
| 21:34.40 | cogwheel|work | return type(dofile) |
| 21:34.45 | cogwheel|work | >>> return type(dofile) |
| 21:34.46 | Cide | cogwheel|work: "function" |
| 21:35.05 | Cide | >>> return type(dofile) |
| 21:35.06 | Cide | Cide: "nil" |
| 21:35.13 | wereHamster | Cide, why don't you let the script run in a chroot jail? |
| 21:35.22 | Cide | I'm lazy |
| 21:35.32 | Cide | _G.blah = nil is easier |
| 21:35.49 | kaso | Wasnt it on windows anyway? |
| 21:35.50 | wereHamster | but it takes us all the fun :( |
| 21:35.54 | pastamancer | it is on windows |
| 21:36.01 | Cide | yep |
| 21:36.08 | pastamancer | debug.traceback knows all |
| 21:36.15 | wereHamster | how fun it would be if we could write to files, save things etc.. |
| 21:36.37 | haste | clear out system32 and such |
| 21:36.39 | Cide | I don't think it'd allow that anyway, but who knows |
| 21:36.41 | pastamancer | and by etc, you mean change Cide's desktop wallpaper |
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| 22:27.36 | Mortius | so blizzard goes and removes the nifty "SPELLCAST_DELAYED" event, which returned the amount of time delayed on spellcast and adds "UNIT_SPELLCAST_DELAYED" which doesn't. WHY?! |
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| 22:28.32 | Mortius | heh a lot of those 2.0 changes make me sad. that would of been cake to code. |
| 22:29.53 | Cide | to make it more consistent perhaps? |
| 22:30.13 | Cide | it's likely the same event |
| 22:30.37 | kaso | you can use UnitCastingInfo("unit") to calculate the delay thats been added |
| 22:30.59 | Mortius | I thought that only returned starting and stopping times? |
| 22:31.16 | kaso | yes and the stopping time will increase if its been delayed |
| 22:31.20 | cogwheel|work | so you just check to see if stopping time changes |
| 22:32.00 | Mortius | oh okay. was so much easier before, just kinda surprised to see a change that makes it harder I guess. |
| 22:32.12 | Mortius | but I'll work with that. thanks a lot :D |
| 22:32.28 | Cide | how was it easier before? |
| 22:32.31 | Cide | you have the same event |
| 22:32.34 | Cide | except it was renamed |
| 22:32.46 | Mortius | before arg1 = amount of time lost |
| 22:32.49 | Mortius | now arg1 = "player" |
| 22:32.54 | Cide | and arg2 = amount of time lost |
| 22:32.58 | Cide | most likely |
| 22:32.58 | Mortius | no, I checked arg2 |
| 22:33.10 | Mortius | there is only arg1 returned. |
| 22:33.36 | Mortius | yeah, I'm sure I can do it that way. I wish they had a arg2 though. |
| 22:33.41 | Mortius | thanks again. |
| 22:33.43 | cogwheel|work | Mortius: as far as motives, except for addon-specific APIs, all blizzard really needs to worry about is making it so THEY can program the default UI. |
| 22:34.45 | wereHamster | cogwheel|work, though blizzard adds more and more functions and features that aren't used in teh default UI.. which is a good thing for us |
| 22:35.56 | cogwheel|work | hence "except for addon-specific APIs" :P |
| 22:36.19 | cogwheel|work | also, if you look at wdn.wowinterface.com, you can see them starting to use some of the new features here and there. |
| 22:36.35 | wereHamster | debug? |
| 22:36.55 | Esamynn|Reading | Blizzard has recognized the fact that it is in their best interest to support AddOn authors to some degree with API they can use to make AddOns that Blizzards supports |
| 22:36.59 | wereHamster | profilestart/stop? |
| 22:37.20 | cogwheel|work | wereHamster: yes, but those are specifically targeted at addons |
| 22:37.30 | cogwheel|work | i was referring to things like the events mortius was asking about |
| 22:37.49 | wereHamster | wait.. "AddOns that Blizzards supports".. are there any except Blizzard_FooUI ? |
| 22:37.54 | cogwheel|work | I've seen a lot of denied requests for changed event arguments |
| 22:38.23 | Lysistrata | wereHamster they grant the ability to create AddOns so in some way they support all addons |
| 22:38.25 | cogwheel|work | wereHamster: "supports" as in "don't mind the functionality of." |
| 22:38.41 | cogwheel|work | the opposite of decursive... :P |
| 22:39.17 | nevcairiel | what they mind will simply be made impossible :D |
| 22:39.45 | wereHamster | woo.. I have a graphical interface again :) |
| 22:39.57 | Karrion | nevcairiel: or, not-so-simply made impossible, in the case of decursive ;-) |
| 22:40.07 | nevcairiel | hehe |
| 22:40.17 | cogwheel|work | nevcairiel: or simply features that they add BACK after 2.0 broke things... |
| 22:40.18 | Esamynn|Reading | Blizzard may not support AddOns "officially", but they definately support the AddOn community |
| 22:40.26 | Lysistrata | I think some of the things they denied wasn't that bad as somethings were used to make live just to easy ;) |
| 22:46.00 | bleetah | well spoken Lysistrata |
| 22:46.26 | bleetah | mmm sweet coffee :-D |
| 22:46.38 | bleetah | well, bitter, really... nm |
| 22:47.03 | Lysistrata | Hmmm its more like a really messed up sentence put yeha I think people can guess what I mean ^^ |
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| 22:47.38 | bleetah | ! wth?! |
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| 22:48.10 | kaso | "All right boys, now look how this is done the key is to lift with your groin and your back, take your legs totally out of the equation, lift with your lower back in a jerking twising motion <SNAP> ARrrrg!" |
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| 22:50.49 | Mortius | ok just one more quick question, last one for awhile i promise lol |
| 22:51.06 | cogwheel|work | might be easier if you jsut stay logged in :P |
| 22:51.11 | Mortius | lol true |
| 22:51.13 | cogwheel|work | we don't take offense to questions ;) |
| 22:51.22 | cogwheel|work | (generally) |
| 22:51.26 | Mortius | well I think I'm bugging you guys :S |
| 22:51.30 | Mortius | I don't want to be a pest. |
| 22:51.53 | Mortius | and the wowwiki wont load for me :( |
| 22:51.53 | cogwheel|work | nah... it got really boring in here after you left the first time :P |
| 22:51.59 | Mortius | lol |
| 22:52.01 | bleetah | hah |
| 22:52.26 | Mortius | ok, on my status bar, using the SetMinMaxValues... is there a way to only set the max and leave the min alone? |
| 22:52.26 | cogwheel|work | well, actually, cide came in with his lua bot, but then it was pretty dead for an hour |
| 22:52.37 | Cide | yep :) |
| 22:52.46 | Cide | >>> return math.random(0, math.pi) |
| 22:52.46 | Cide | Cide: 0 |
| 22:52.48 | Cide | >>> return math.random(0, math.pi) |
| 22:52.48 | Cide | Cide: 0 |
| 22:52.52 | Cide | >>> return math.random(0, 325) |
| 22:52.53 | Cide | Cide: 0 |
| 22:52.59 | Cide | or not |
| 22:53.02 | wereHamster | very random values |
| 22:53.04 | cogwheel|work | O.o |
| 22:53.06 | bleetah | damnit, cide's been playing with bots and not making me coffee?! this planet's going to the dogs, I tells ya! |
| 22:53.06 | Cide | >>> return math.random(0, 325) |
| 22:53.06 | Cide | Cide: 0 |
| 22:53.19 | Mortius | haha |
| 22:53.20 | Cide | guess it didn't like random! |
| 22:53.26 | cogwheel|work | wonder if that's my fault... |
| 22:53.29 | [dRaCo] | random number generation is to important to be left to chance! |
| 22:53.35 | Cide | >>> return math.random(5353) |
| 22:53.35 | Cide | Cide: 7 |
| 22:53.36 | Cide | >>> return math.random(5353) |
| 22:53.36 | Cide | Cide: 7 |
| 22:53.37 | Cide | >>> return math.random(5353) |
| 22:53.37 | Cide | Cide: 7 |
| 22:53.41 | kaso | cide |
| 22:53.52 | Elkano | >>> return true |
| 22:53.53 | Cide | Elkano: true |
| 22:53.56 | kaso | each command ist its own enviroment right? |
| 22:54.18 | Elkano | return (1/0) |
| 22:54.18 | kaso | so you need to math.randomseed |
| 22:54.23 | Cide | ah, yeah |
| 22:54.33 | wereHamster | but you don't have os.tim() :( |
| 22:54.37 | wereHamster | os.time() |
| 22:54.43 | cogwheel|work | but you do have time() |
| 22:54.50 | Elkano | >>> return (1/0) |
| 22:54.50 | Cide | Elkano: 1.#INF |
| 22:54.52 | cogwheel|work | >>> return time() |
| 22:54.53 | Cide | cogwheel|work: 1173740089 |
| 22:54.54 | wereHamster | >>> return time() |
| 22:54.54 | Cide | wereHamster: 1173740091 |
| 22:55.04 | wereHamster | :D |
| 22:55.04 | Elkano | hmm.. what exactly is taht? lua? |
| 22:55.09 | wereHamster | yes |
| 22:55.39 | cogwheel|work | >>> return 9^9 |
| 22:55.39 | Cide | cogwheel|work: 387420489 |
| 22:55.45 | [dRaCo] | something like math.randomseed(time()); return math.random(100)? |
| 22:55.46 | Mortius | >>> return 10 / 0 |
| 22:55.48 | Cide | >>> return table.concat(_G, ', ') |
| 22:55.48 | Cide | Cide: "" |
| 22:56.03 | Mortius | I tried to kill it with division by 0 |
| 22:56.26 | cogwheel|work | Mortius: Elkano beat you to it |
| 22:56.32 | Elkano | ^^ |
| 22:56.35 | Mortius | lol |
| 22:56.36 | Cide | [dRaCo]: yep |
| 22:56.37 | wereHamster | Mortius division by zero is defined in lua AFAIK |
| 22:56.45 | Cide | >>> return 1/0 |
| 22:56.45 | Cide | Cide: 1.#INF |
| 22:56.48 | Mortius | nice |
| 22:56.48 | Cide | >>> return 0/0 |
| 22:56.48 | Cide | Cide: -1.#IND |
| 22:56.53 | [dRaCo] | >>> math.randomseed(time()); return math.random(100)? |
| 22:56.54 | Cide | [dRaCo]: attempt to call a nil value |
| 22:57.14 | Cide | >>> math.randomseed(time()); return math.random(100) |
| 22:57.14 | Cide | Cide: 10 |
| 22:57.20 | Cide | >>> return math.random() |
| 22:57.21 | Cide | Cide: 0.0012512588885159 |
| 22:57.22 | Cide | >>> return math.random() |
| 22:57.22 | Cide | Cide: 0.0012512588885159 |
| 22:57.25 | Elkano | >>> x = 1 return x |
| 22:57.26 | Cide | Elkano: 1 |
| 22:57.28 | Cide | heh, oh yeah |
| 22:57.40 | Elkano | wow :) |
| 22:57.42 | Esamynn|Reading | Tem|Work of course tried: |
| 22:57.43 | Esamynn|Reading | [15:33]<Tem>[13:22] >>> os.execute("format c:") |
| 22:57.45 | Esamynn|Reading | [15:33]<Cide>[13:22] Tem: [string "os.execute("format c:")"]:1: attempt to index global 'os' (a nil value) |
| 22:57.46 | Esamynn|Reading | [15:33]<Tem>[13:22] bah |
| 22:57.48 | Esamynn|Reading | [15:33]<Cide>[13:22] nice try :) |
| 22:57.49 | Esamynn|Reading | [15:33]<Esamynn>[13:28] LOL |
| 22:57.52 | leethal | uhm.. what is happening here? |
| 22:57.57 | leethal | I see pastes |
| 22:58.04 | Mortius | the bots are taking over :( |
| 22:58.07 | Cide | I'm a bot! |
| 22:58.09 | Esamynn|Reading | yep |
| 22:58.11 | Mortius | its like skynet. |
| 22:58.19 | Esamynn|Reading | ~poke Cide |
| 22:58.25 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Cide, pokes Cide repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 22:58.30 | Mortius | >>> return sarah conner |
| 22:58.31 | Esamynn|Reading | Cide: purl is still WAAAY better :P |
| 22:58.56 | Cide | I disagree! |
| 22:58.58 | kergoth | infobot/blootbot gets the job done, but its horrendous perl.. 'better' is subjective |
| 22:59.42 | leethal | ~woot |
| 22:59.43 | purl | hmm... woot is a way cool cat with some nice headspace, or wishes for nitwits to quit fucking up his description, or a description fascist, or a geek, or an ANU student and programmer (http://cbis.anu.edu.au/), or a crack whore |
| 22:59.45 | Esamynn|Reading | kergoth: purl is still far more entertaining :) |
| 22:59.49 | leethal | kek |
| 22:59.52 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:59.54 | kergoth | ~remulate |
| 22:59.56 | purl | If I had a hole in my throat, I'd put pennies in it |
| 23:00.01 | leethal | ~pwn |
| 23:00.05 | Mortius | okay, so heres my awesome question: is there a way to "SetMinMaxValues" of a StatusBar, only changing the Max value and not touching the min? something maybe like d.statusbar1:SetMinMaxValues(_,10) or whatever |
| 23:00.06 | leethal | hah! |
| 23:00.15 | kergoth | hehe, pennies. yay chris |
| 23:00.17 | kergoth | ~emulate chris |
| 23:00.18 | purl | If I had a hole in my throat, I'd put pennies in it |
| 23:00.21 | kergoth | bah |
| 23:00.27 | Cide | >>> t = { 5, 2, 1, 3, 2 } table.sort(t) return unpack(t) |
| 23:00.27 | Cide | Cide: 1 2 2 3 5 |
| 23:00.30 | leethal | what is purl? |
| 23:00.32 | kergoth | ~emulate chris |
| 23:00.33 | purl | When I stick this army guy with the sharp bayonette up my nose, it tickles my brain. Hah hah hah ... ow. Oh, now I don't know math. |
| 23:00.33 | leethal | who made purl? |
| 23:00.48 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:00.56 | kergoth | ~ibot |
| 23:00.58 | purl | i heard ibot is a blootbot written in perl run by TimRiker on his server. logs on http://ibot.rikers.org/<chan>/ , ibot, jbot, apt are all the same process. It uses sqlite, but mysql or other SQL storage is also supported. |
| 23:01.23 | kergoth | a bit behind, obviously ibot/jbot/apt arent the only instances anymore |
| 23:01.46 | leethal | blootbot? |
| 23:01.54 | kergoth | iirc blootbot is a fork of infobot |
| 23:01.55 | kergoth | ~blootbot |
| 23:01.58 | purl | i heard blootbot is an IRC bot written in perl descended from infobot. Hosted on SF. Patches welcome, submit on SF or mailto:Tim@Rikers.org, or http://blootbot.sourceforge.net/ , I am a blootbot |
| 23:02.08 | Cide | Mortius: local min, max = d.statusbar1:GetMinMaxValues(); d.statusbar1:SetMinMaxValues(min, 10) |
| 23:02.39 | leethal | ~kek |
| 23:02.41 | Mortius | okay, I guess I could do it that way then. It was just the min value is lost at that point |
| 23:02.45 | leethal | silly bot.. |
| 23:02.49 | Mortius | I will save it to a variable then |
| 23:03.05 | kergoth | leethal: teach it. |
| 23:03.09 | kergoth | ~kek is foo |
| 23:03.11 | purl | okay, kergoth |
| 23:03.14 | kergoth | purl: no, kek is bar |
| 23:03.16 | purl | kergoth: okay |
| 23:03.17 | wereHamster | tim rikers.. I think I've already heard that name somewhere |
| 23:03.22 | leethal | erhm |
| 23:03.25 | leethal | ~kek |
| 23:03.26 | purl | extra, extra, read all about it, kek is bar |
| 23:03.30 | kergoth | tim riker was CTO of Lineo, he worked for SCO way back... |
| 23:03.32 | kergoth | ~timriker |
| 23:03.34 | purl | extra, extra, read all about it, timriker is my owner http://rikers.org/ mailto:Tim@Rikers.org mailto:TimR@Debian.org maintainer of BZFlag, member of a ton of open source projects http://www.advogato.com/person/timriker/ http://sourceforge.net/users/timriker/ the guy who GPL'd SCO's ABI files, giving every Linux user the right to use them ;-), or a very cool guy. |
| 23:04.01 | kergoth | he was my boss when i was at texas instruments |
| 23:04.13 | Mortius | if I use local min, max, will another function get the min, max values? |
| 23:04.19 | wereHamster | the world is small.. |
| 23:04.27 | Cide | Mortius: no idea what you just asked |
| 23:04.49 | kergoth | wereHamster: indeed it is.. you knew tim from elsewhere? |
| 23:05.04 | Mortius | if I set a variable in one function... and like 10 seconds later another function requested it... would it be able to get it if it was local? |
| 23:05.07 | leethal | so, purl is a script to keep people entertained when they are bored? |
| 23:05.29 | wereHamster | kergoth, I don't 'know' him, the name just seemed familiar |
| 23:05.31 | Mortius | I'm not fully understanding the difference between local and global variables is all. |
| 23:05.42 | kergoth | ah. |
| 23:05.44 | Cide | www.lua.org/pil :) |
| 23:05.56 | Cide | Mortius: http://www.lua.org/pil/4.2.html |
| 23:06.15 | Mortius | I mean in WoW.. because if I use a global variable, it messes up other mods if I use the same name I found out |
| 23:06.25 | Cide | yes |
| 23:06.37 | kergoth | learn lua first, then think about doing wow specific stuff :P |
| 23:06.59 | Esamynn|Reading | leethal: purl also does logging |
| 23:07.04 | Esamynn|Reading | and has funny stats |
| 23:07.08 | Esamynn|Reading | ~logs |
| 23:07.10 | purl | well, logs is apt/ibot/infobot/jbot/purl all log daily to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz |
| 23:07.10 | Lysistrata | The scope of a var is always something interesting many people get confused about it |
| 23:07.10 | leethal | ah, so it's semi usefull =D |
| 23:07.10 | cogwheel|work | Mortius: you didn't do your homework i assigned ;P |
| 23:07.16 | Mortius | I'm more of an on hands learner :) I am learning while making WoW stuff. :D |
| 23:07.28 | leethal | not than keeping yourself entertained is useful, though =P |
| 23:07.33 | Mortius | haha cog, I've been reading some stuff then applying it. |
| 23:07.36 | kergoth | apparently you're more of a use up other peoples time on irc learner than a hands on learner |
| 23:07.37 | kergoth | :P |
| 23:07.49 | Esamynn|Reading | Mortius: the manual is *NOT* your enemy |
| 23:08.10 | Mortius | It's not, it's just huge. hard to find something specific like this. |
| 23:08.27 | Mortius | Some stuff I've read, I don't fully understand anyway. |
| 23:08.37 | Esamynn|Reading | do you understand the concept of scope? |
| 23:08.50 | Mortius | when dealing with IP addresses.. |
| 23:08.56 | batrick | lol |
| 23:09.09 | Esamynn|Reading | similar idea |
| 23:10.15 | Esamynn|Reading | the page Cide linked is a very good explination |
| 23:10.23 | kergoth | ~remulate |
| 23:10.25 | purl | my walnuts! |
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| 23:10.38 | Mortius | yeah im reading that right now |
| 23:10.54 | kergoth | purl: entertain me! |
| 23:10.56 | purl | ACTION grabs 5 random objects and begins to weave them through the air in a display of superior juggling skill for me!'s entertainment whilst whistling Einzug der Gladiatoren by Julius Fu?k |
| 23:11.07 | kergoth | hahah |
| 23:11.18 | Mortius | so a local variable won't work in my case. I didn't think it would. |
| 23:11.32 | Mortius | I'll use a long prefixed global then heh |
| 23:11.43 | Cide | if you have two functions in the same file, yes it could |
| 23:11.57 | batrick | use local outside the two functions |
| 23:12.17 | Mortius | oooh yeah, I could always do that duh. |
| 23:12.25 | batrick | you want to avoid globals whenever possible :D |
| 23:12.28 | Cide | >>> local var = 1; function foo() var = 2; end function bar() return var; end foo() return bar() |
| 23:12.28 | Cide | Cide: 2 |
| 23:12.34 | Mortius | yeah, thats exactly what I was trying to do haha |
| 23:12.55 | Esamynn|Reading | Mortius: lua files are loaded by wrapping them inside a function() end wrapper and then executing them |
| 23:13.12 | Mortius | aaah, that explains it. |
| 23:13.16 | Mortius | okay, didn't know that. |
| 23:14.35 | Mortius | i promise once I finish this castingbar I wont start anymore wow addons until I read that whole site and understand at least half of it. lol |
| 23:14.57 | Esamynn|Reading | lol |
| 23:15.01 | Esamynn|Reading | nah, don't make that promise |
| 23:15.10 | Mortius | okay, good save. |
| 23:15.53 | Mortius | i = going to go code more [afk] |
| 23:16.12 | kergoth | how about you not pester folks on irc until you've read PIL, at least? your coding isnt a problem, but having other people do your work for you is, imo |
| 23:16.40 | Mortius | I asked if I was being a pest first. |
| 23:17.07 | Mortius | It was my understanding that I wasn't. |
| 23:17.12 | Esamynn|Reading | nope |
| 23:17.42 | kergoth | i'll never understand people who help those who refuse to help themselves |
| 23:17.48 | kergoth | waste of time in my opinion |
| 23:18.00 | Mortius | If I am to you, I appologize. you can /ignore me if you like. :) |
| 23:18.21 | cogwheel|work | kergoth: the last time he logged in and then left, he did ask a question that wasn't a basic lua question... |
| 23:18.37 | cogwheel|work | and when he was on before, we gave him homework and he went away for a long time |
| 23:18.50 | cogwheel|work | so i assumed he had done it when he came back this third time :P |
| 23:18.54 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:19.03 | Esamynn|Reading | heh |
| 23:20.07 | kergoth | freenode is filled with the flame melted corpses of those who failed to rtfm before asking on irc |
| 23:20.09 | Mortius | yes, this one was basic, but I didn't fully understand the difference. That, and how WoW works with LUA isn't on that site. Of course, I read the wowwiki which has helped tons. :) I just needed a little clairification on it was all. Anyway, back to coding something. |
| 23:20.17 | kergoth | look at #debian or #redhat sometime ;) |
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| 23:21.43 | kaso | oh my god |
| 23:21.55 | kaso | i was just reading a bit of pil i havent read in ages. |
| 23:22.02 | kaso | and found out that _ is a real variable |
| 23:22.08 | kaso | for some reason that never dawned on me before |
| 23:22.10 | wereHamster | O.o |
| 23:22.12 | Esamynn|Reading | hehe, yep |
| 23:22.20 | kaso | >>> _="hi" return _ |
| 23:22.31 | kaso | :< who broke cide |
| 23:22.35 | Esamynn|Reading | iirc lua variables can start with _ or a letter and can contain _ letters and numbers |
| 23:22.39 | wereHamster | he left ;) |
| 23:23.01 | Esamynn|Reading | s/_/"_"/ |
| 23:23.02 | zenzelezz | plenty of ModName_FunctionName functions around |
| 23:23.19 | kaso | for some reason i always thought it was some /dev/null esque variable that threw away anything assigned to it |
| 23:23.58 | Esamynn|Reading | nope, just a Lua idiom |
| 23:24.22 | kaso | learn something new every day |
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| 23:33.41 | wereHamster | 'rm -rf' is sooo evil.. :( |
| 23:34.23 | batrick | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:34.28 | batrick | variables* |
| 23:34.31 | zenzelezz | yes |
| 23:34.32 | Esamynn|Reading | correct |
| 23:34.49 | batrick | ty |
| 23:34.54 | Esamynn|Reading | wereHamster: it's not evil, it can just be used for evil purposes |
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| 23:36.09 | wereHamster | I like rm, too, but not if it tries to delete /usr/bin :( |
| 23:36.38 | Esamynn|Reading | thus why you must be very careful when using the f flag |
| 23:36.52 | Esamynn|Reading | especially when combined with the r flag |
| 23:43.25 | batrick | man this is the wierdest bug I've ever encountered... WoW is loading addon/game settings from some folder that is not WTF... (I can deleted WTF and restarting the game, I still have all mya ddon/game settings) |
| 23:44.35 | kaso | ^_- |
| 23:44.58 | kaso | that doesnt seem possible, i wonder what causing that |
| 23:45.06 | Mortius | vista |
| 23:45.09 | batrick | windows vista... |
| 23:45.14 | Mortius | vista compatability files |
| 23:45.25 | wereHamster | doesn't WoW alsosave the settings somwehere under MyDocuments? |
| 23:45.31 | batrick | where do you loate those mortius? |
| 23:45.49 | Mortius | a button in the folder in the toolbar should appear |
| 23:45.53 | Mortius | saying "compatability files" |
| 23:46.02 | Mortius | in explorer that is |
| 23:46.39 | Mortius | whatever app you're using to create those files, run it as administrator and that should solve that problem. |
| 23:48.54 | batrick | i'd rather not run wow as administrator... it causes all sorts of havoc with my input hardware :P |
| 23:48.59 | batrick | this OS sucks |
| 23:49.15 | Mortius | oh really, well that sucks. |
| 23:49.15 | batrick | i need to stop being lazy and get xp working again /sigh |
| 23:50.00 | Mortius | there are other ways around it, like making the administrator user become a working user |
| 23:50.01 | batrick | i'm not even running it in compatability mode |
| 23:50.05 | batrick | this is retarded |
| 23:50.21 | Mortius | in vista, everything in /program files/... is protected that way |
| 23:50.27 | Mortius | also /windows/... |
| 23:50.56 | Tain | Vista kicks puppies. |
| 23:51.13 | Mortius | you can have it work like XP, where you're actually an administrator. There is a way to make the administrator account an active accout that you can use. |
| 23:51.45 | Mortius | I kinda like Vista :) |
| 23:51.52 | Mortius | its purrrrdy. |
| 23:51.58 | batrick | it amkes addon development a royal bitch |
| 23:51.59 | Tain | I saw Vista parked in a handicapped spot. |
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| 23:52.18 | Mortius | yes, yes it does. hehe, I've resolved all those issues though. |
| 23:52.33 | Mortius | was a pain in the butt. |
| 23:52.49 | Tain | I think Vista clubs baby seals. |
| 23:52.51 | batrick | i liked the one where I couldn't modify my addon files while playing WoW |
| 23:53.07 | batrick | i think I kicked my hd the right way and that bug went away |
| 23:53.19 | Mortius | wow, thats strange. I never had that problem. |
| 23:53.26 | wereHamster | that wasn't a bug.. it's a feature |
| 23:53.31 | Mortius | haha |
| 23:53.34 | batrick | ya it's abug to me |
| 23:53.40 | batrick | bug = annoying program feature |
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| 23:53.55 | wereHamster | who cares? For M$ it's a feature.. and so be it for all users |
| 23:54.11 | Esamynn|Reading | Mortius: windows vista is a bad rip off of OS X |
| 23:54.36 | Mortius | I've heard both sides of that debate for quite awhile. I'm left opinionless. |
| 23:54.37 | batrick | and OSX is a bad rip off of linux |
| 23:54.42 | batrick | what a pretty circle we've made |
| 23:54.42 | Esamynn|Reading | batrick: no |
| 23:55.12 | Mortius | M$ claims they started Vista before OS X was out, thus OS X actually stole some of its ideas from early leaked vista. |
| 23:55.23 | Esamynn|Reading | batrick: OS X is a pretty graphical UI built on top of Net BSD |
| 23:56.32 | batrick | i can't find these compatability files you speak of mortius |
| 23:56.38 | Mortius | really? :( |
| 23:56.58 | Mortius | hmm, there is a way to find them in dos too.. |
| 23:57.30 | Shirik | 19:55:13 Mortius M$ claims they started Vista before OS X was out, thus OS X actually stole some of its ideas from early leaked vista. |
| 23:57.35 | Shirik | you should try not listening to Microsoft |
| 23:57.38 | Shirik | you'll thank yourself later |
| 23:57.52 | Mortius | http://support.microsoft.com/kb/927387 |
| 23:58.50 | Mortius | Well, there were some other sources that claim that as well, I personally have no clue who stole what from whom, so I remain neutral. |
| 23:59.43 | Mortius | apparently C:\Users\User_name\AppData\Local\VirtualStore\MyApp folder is where the files are |
| 23:59.55 | Mortius | where "myapp" = the app name |
