| 00:00.07 | Cide | ('nope' was to myself, no idea foxlit, I haven't played with them much at all) |
| 00:00.21 | mahiro | has something changed with UinitPowerType(unit)? seems that 1 does not work for rage:/ |
| 00:00.40 | Shirik | >>> coroutine.create = function(x) a = coroutine.create(x) debug.sethook(a, hook, "l", 1); return a end; function f() while (true) do end end; a, b = coroutine.create(f); if (not a) then return b; end return coroutine.resume(a); |
| 00:00.40 | Cide | Shirik: d:\lua\input.tmp:12: stack overflow |
| 00:00.46 | Shirik | hrm |
| 00:00.47 | Shirik | well something like that |
| 00:00.54 | Shirik | hook coroutine.create to set the debug hook |
| 00:00.58 | Shirik | on creation |
| 00:01.16 | Cide | I did, no dice |
| 00:01.28 | Shirik | you sure you did it right? :/ |
| 00:01.46 | Corrodias | i noticed that, when using GDB for debugging, it was practically useless in threaded situations |
| 00:01.57 | Shirik | >>> local oldc = coroutine.create; coroutine.create = function(x) a = oldc(x) debug.sethook(a, hook, "l", 1); return a end; function f() while (true) do end end; a, b = coroutine.create(f); if (not a) then return b; end return coroutine.resume(a); |
| 00:01.57 | Cide | Shirik: [string "local oldc = coroutine.create; coroutine.cr..."]:1: attempt to index global 'debug' (a nil value) |
| 00:01.57 | Corrodias | i didn't know how to get over to debug threads |
| 00:02.04 | Shirik | that's it |
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| 00:02.08 | Shirik | use that code ;) |
| 00:02.10 | Shirik | for the hook |
| 00:02.19 | Shirik | I can't test it cause I don't have debug.sethook >.> |
| 00:02.28 | Cide | ah |
| 00:02.52 | bleetah | 'sif gdb useless for threaded situations |
| 00:02.53 | Cide | >>> function f() while (true) do end end; a, b = coroutine.create(f); if (not a) then return b; end return coroutine.resume(a); |
| 00:02.59 | Cide | Cide: maximum execution time (5s) exceeded |
| 00:03.02 | Cide | there we go |
| 00:03.03 | Shirik | nice :) |
| 00:03.03 | kaso | Nice! |
| 00:03.07 | Cide | I had |
| 00:03.18 | Cide | well, I didn't specify the thread in the new sethook call |
| 00:03.27 | Shirik | ah yeah that's important |
| 00:03.31 | Shirik | cause you're setting it from a different thread |
| 00:03.34 | foxlit | >>> a = coroutine.create(function() return type(debug); end); return coroutine.resume(a); |
| 00:03.35 | Cide | foxlit: true "nil" |
| 00:03.35 | Corrodias | it was useless to me because i couldn't figure out how to debug threads |
| 00:03.51 | bleetah | Corrodias: rtfm.. eg, http://www.delorie.com/gnu/docs/gdb/gdb_25.html |
| 00:03.56 | kaso | >>> return "test\ntest" |
| 00:03.56 | Cide | kaso: "test\ntest" |
| 00:04.00 | kaso | boring |
| 00:04.09 | Shirik | >>> a = coroutine.create(function() return type(debug); end); coroutine.resume(a); |
| 00:04.09 | Cide | Shirik: |
| 00:04.12 | Shirik | is what you meant |
| 00:04.14 | Corrodias | reading linux manuals usually gets me nowhere |
| 00:04.14 | Cide | I thin we've ironed out most things now :) |
| 00:04.21 | Cide | think |
| 00:04.23 | Cide | but who knows! |
| 00:04.26 | Shirik | a thread doesn't return a value to another thread |
| 00:04.29 | kaso | >>> return "test |
| 00:04.29 | kaso | test" |
| 00:04.29 | Cide | kaso: attempt to call a nil value |
| 00:04.33 | bleetah | gdb != linux |
| 00:04.37 | kaso | woops |
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| 00:04.42 | Corrodias | oh my mistake. i'm so sorry. :P |
| 00:04.51 | bleetah | you wanna use a debugger without reading a page of manual? sheesh |
| 00:05.09 | foxlit | >>> a = coroutine.create(function() return os.time(); end); return coroutine.resume(a); |
| 00:05.10 | Cide | foxlit: false "[string "a = coroutine.create(function() return os.t..."]:1: attempt to index global 'os' (a nil value)" |
| 00:05.22 | foxlit | But it can return an error :) |
| 00:05.30 | Shirik | No Cide I found another problem |
| 00:05.36 | Corrodias | what can i say, bleetah? i'm a sucker for intuitive interfaces |
| 00:05.40 | kaso | >>> return error("Test") |
| 00:05.40 | Cide | kaso: [string "return error("Test")"]:1: Test |
| 00:05.42 | Corrodias | it worked well enough in Eclipse for my simple projects |
| 00:06.07 | bleetah | what's not intuitive about 'info threads' and 'thread [x] |
| 00:06.09 | bleetah | ' |
| 00:06.12 | Shirik | >>> function a() while (true) do end end; f = coroutine.wrap(a); return f(); |
| 00:06.19 | Shirik | =P |
| 00:06.21 | Cide | Shirik: [string "return error("Test")"]:1: Test |
| 00:06.23 | Cide | nice |
| 00:06.42 | kaso | whats with the returning the last message thing cide? |
| 00:06.43 | Corrodias | you'd have to ask me when i was actually using the program, bleetah. i haven't touched gdb or linux for over a month now. |
| 00:06.44 | Cide | damn coroutines |
| 00:06.49 | Shirik | that's your last thing though ;) |
| 00:06.57 | Shirik | coroutine.wrap is a convenience function for coroutine.create |
| 00:07.02 | Cide | kaso: lua prints to a file |
| 00:07.13 | Cide | if I force-shut lua, it doesn't print |
| 00:07.19 | kaso | interesting |
| 00:07.31 | Corrodias | but let me just say that if it were so intuitive, you wouldn't have to criticize me for not reading the manual |
| 00:07.54 | Cide | >>> function a() while (true) do end end; f = coroutine.wrap(a); return f(); |
| 00:07.54 | Cide | Cide: d:\lua\input.tmp:30: bad argument #2 to 'sethook' (string expected, got function) |
| 00:07.55 | Shirik | Definition of coroutine.wrap: coroutine.wrap = function (x) local a = coroutine.create(x); return function() coroutine.resume(a); end end |
| 00:07.58 | Cide | oops. |
| 00:08.13 | Shirik | it's just a convenience function |
| 00:08.30 | Cide | ah, heh |
| 00:08.38 | Shirik | but it's done C side so coroutine.create is never called |
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| 00:08.49 | Mortius | dang, none of any of that makes any sense to me yet. haha. I'm still learning how to setup tables and all the calls to them. |
| 00:09.09 | Corrodias | that's a gyp |
| 00:09.15 | Shirik | It's ok, there's really no need to make multiple threads in WoW |
| 00:09.21 | Shirik | this is all pure lua stuff, not WoW Lua |
| 00:09.23 | Mortius | okay good lol |
| 00:09.40 | Shirik | actually Lua's multithreading capabilities are kinda screwed |
| 00:09.45 | Shirik | it's not really "multithreading" |
| 00:09.45 | bleetah | Shirik: unless your handling masses of data... it's something we've contemplated for Auctioneer |
| 00:09.50 | Shirik | oh? |
| 00:09.53 | Cide | hmm, not sure if there's a good way to handle .wrap |
| 00:10.02 | Corrodias | i've always been told you can't create multiple threads in WoW's lua |
| 00:10.02 | Cide | since the thread isn't exposed as far as I can tell? |
| 00:10.05 | Shirik | it isn't |
| 00:10.06 | Mortius | Auctioneer authors in here?? |
| 00:10.18 | Shirik | coroutine.wrap returns a function which calls coroutine.resume for that thread |
| 00:10.20 | Shirik | you never get the thread |
| 00:10.31 | bleetah | the final calculations, duplicate item checks etc. at the end of a full AH scan can take so long, on a high latency line with a huge AH, it's possible to get disconnected |
| 00:10.36 | Cide | meh |
| 00:10.37 | Corrodias | can you redefine .wrap? |
| 00:10.44 | Cide | good idea |
| 00:10.49 | Cide | I was doing |
| 00:10.54 | Cide | >>> return type(coroutine.wrap) |
| 00:10.54 | Cide | Cide: "nil" |
| 00:11.06 | bleetah | Mortius: they hang out in #norganna, although most are afk at the moment |
| 00:11.27 | Shirik | >>> k = ""; for key, pair in pairs(_G) do if (type(pair) == "table") then k = k .. key .. " "; end end return k; |
| 00:11.28 | Cide | Shirik: "wow _G coroutine string bit table arg math " |
| 00:11.30 | bleetah | eg, I'm really afk reprogramming my server with several big axes atm |
| 00:11.36 | Mortius | ah okay. :) |
| 00:11.54 | Shirik | >>> k = ""; for key, pair in pairs(ar) do [[if (type(pair) == "table") then]] k = k .. key .. " "; [[end]] end return k; |
| 00:11.54 | Cide | Shirik: attempt to call a nil value |
| 00:12.20 | Corrodias | crap, i don't remember what [[ ]] means |
| 00:12.23 | Shirik | >>> k = ""; for key, pair in pairs(arg) do k = k .. key .. " "; end return k; |
| 00:12.23 | Cide | Shirik: "-1 0 " |
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| 00:12.37 | Cide | Corrodias: string |
| 00:12.41 | Shirik | >>> k = ""; for key, pair in pairs(arg) do k = k .. tostring(pair) .. " "; end return k; |
| 00:12.41 | Cide | Shirik: "d:\lua\Lua.exe d:\lua\input.tmp " |
| 00:12.44 | Shirik | o.O |
| 00:12.52 | Shirik | oh |
| 00:12.55 | Shirik | I see what that is |
| 00:13.13 | Cide | >>> function a() while (true) do end end; f = coroutine.wrap(a); return f(); |
| 00:13.19 | Cide | Cide: maximum execution time (5s) exceeded |
| 00:13.23 | Shirik | ooh |
| 00:13.35 | Shirik | hah, did you use my definition of coroutine.wrap? |
| 00:13.39 | Cide | yep :P |
| 00:13.49 | Shirik | I don't even know if that works, I came up with it on the fly >< |
| 00:14.01 | Cide | try it in a legal manner and see :) |
| 00:14.08 | Cide | or, a "nice" manner |
| 00:14.40 | Shirik | >>> _G['b'] = false; function a() _G['b'] = true end; f = coroutine.wrap(a); f(); return _G['b']; |
| 00:14.41 | Cide | Shirik: true |
| 00:14.44 | Shirik | yup |
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| 00:14.57 | Shirik | nice |
| 00:15.43 | Shirik | >>> _G['b'] = false; function a() coroutine.yield(); _G['b'] = true end; f = coroutine.wrap(a); f(); z = _G['b']; f(); return z, _G['b']; |
| 00:15.43 | Cide | Shirik: false true |
| 00:15.45 | Shirik | very nice! |
| 00:15.47 | Shirik | it works perfectly |
| 00:15.57 | Mortius | I finally got my unitframes clickable for targeting and right-click to open the default menu. took me all day yesterday to figure it all out. stupid secureframes :( |
| 00:16.24 | Shirik | but seriously I hate Lua's multithreading |
| 00:16.40 | Shirik | it's not even multithreading it's just going back and forth between two places in code |
| 00:17.12 | Mortius | yeah, stupid quasimultithreading lua. |
| 00:17.31 | Mortius | ((..i have no idea what he's talking about..)) |
| 00:17.36 | Shirik | heh |
| 00:17.47 | cogwheel | Shirik: saying you hate it's multithredaing when it's not really multithreading and doesn't pretend to be multithreading is kind of silly imo |
| 00:17.57 | Shirik | well ok there's no such things as "real" multithreading |
| 00:17.59 | cogwheel | s/it's/its/ |
| 00:18.01 | Corrodias | how is this different from threading on a single cpu? |
| 00:18.10 | Corrodias | *single processor |
| 00:18.11 | cogwheel | it's not preemptive |
| 00:18.16 | cogwheel | for one thing |
| 00:18.23 | Lej | wow down? |
| 00:18.30 | Lej | europe that is |
| 00:18.37 | Shirik | but the difference is an OS handles transferring control between threads in other languages |
| 00:18.41 | Shirik | in Lua, the program has to yield control |
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| 00:19.00 | Corrodias | preemptive? |
| 00:19.21 | Corrodias | wait, i know this one |
| 00:19.27 | cogwheel | preemptive means each thread can be interrupted at any time by the scheduler |
| 00:19.47 | Corrodias | so... it's not even threaded so much as... that you can halt your current code and go run some other code when you want to? |
| 00:19.48 | cogwheel | whereas cooperative (like lua's system) means that each thread is responsible for releasing control to other threads |
| 00:20.11 | cogwheel | flashing bios... brb |
| 00:20.45 | Mortius | I read that at first as flashing bois.. brb |
| 00:21.45 | Shirik | ... |
| 00:21.50 | Shirik|CS | didn't need to hear that |
| 00:21.50 | Mortius | I'm trying to clean up my code by writing functions to handle all my cut-n-paste speghetti code |
| 00:22.21 | Mortius | and of course it's not working. |
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| 00:26.04 | Cairenn | purl, hug JoshBorke |
| 00:26.09 | purl | ACTION jumps into JoshBorke's lap and huggles and *hugs* JoshBorke |
| 00:26.49 | kaso | spaghetti code sounds tasty |
| 00:27.00 | Mortius | hehe, it's awful. |
| 00:27.09 | JoshBorke | purl, hug Cairenn |
| 00:27.11 | purl | ACTION gets a running start and tackle-hugs Cairenn |
| 00:27.16 | Corrodias | i have pvp... |
| 00:27.20 | Corrodias | i hate pvp... |
| 00:27.26 | JoshBorke | purl, quote Corrodias |
| 00:27.35 | JoshBorke | o.O |
| 00:27.44 | JoshBorke | blasted |
| 00:27.46 | Corrodias | wha |
| 00:27.57 | JoshBorke | purl, quote WOW |
| 00:28.06 | JoshBorke | purl, quote NAS |
| 00:28.30 | Karrion | purl, quote MSFT |
| 00:28.35 | Corrodias | could you explain what any of that means? |
| 00:28.40 | Karrion | stock quotes |
| 00:28.44 | Cairenn | stock market |
| 00:28.49 | JoshBorke | market stock |
| 00:29.01 | Karrion | purl, quote NTRT |
| 00:33.06 | bleetah | purl, quote VIV |
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| 00:34.32 | bleetah | hmm, though not too sure 'bout that.. /me tries |
| 00:34.37 | bleetah | purl, quote VVDUF |
| 00:35.26 | JoshBorke | pet bar health not moving = blizzard bug? |
| 00:35.38 | bleetah | purl, quote V |
| 00:36.12 | Mortius | anyone want to make fun of me and tell me why my commented line doesn't work here? hehe : http://wowi.pastey.net/8363 |
| 00:38.16 | Mortius | if line 13 was replaced by 14, then the /chest stops working. looks like it should work to me, but what do I know really :D |
| 00:40.51 | JoshBorke | because it wouldn't be pointing to a function? |
| 00:41.01 | JoshBorke | i forget how SlashCmdList is built, so i'm not positive |
| 00:41.33 | Mortius | hmm... |
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| 00:48.09 | tjs | anyone use brian kopps guide? |
| 00:48.36 | Corrodias | no |
| 00:48.46 | cogwheel | bleetah: ubuntu bootu on my putu! =D |
| 00:48.47 | Corrodias | but i think there's a grocery chain named "copps" |
| 00:49.43 | Lej | ooo why maintenance dayyyyy |
| 00:49.53 | bleetah | JoshBorke: I believe /me does a little dance for cogwheel |
| 00:49.56 | tjs | I was looking for a quest guide for my alliance alt (I usually play horde) found this kopps guide, seems to be fairly widely touted as the best one out there |
| 00:50.02 | bleetah | whoops |
| 00:50.20 | tjs | but its totally crap (the UI) its html only uses frames, almost undreadable |
| 00:50.33 | tjs | so I wrote a little script.. |
| 00:50.47 | tjs | *yay python* |
| 00:51.14 | tjs | and here, for you're enjoyment, (please only take a copy if you *cough* own the guide already) |
| 00:51.20 | tjs | http://rafb.net/p/aYK2j789.txt |
| 00:51.30 | Corrodias | of course we do |
| 00:51.30 | tjs | is the output of my little script |
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| 00:51.46 | Corrodias | actually, quest advice i get from allakhazam or wowhead |
| 00:52.04 | Corrodias | but i level slowly |
| 00:52.17 | cogwheel | I object to knowingly posting pirated, copyrighted works in this channel |
| 00:52.26 | tjs | script couldnt parse lvls 1-10 the html was to broken |
| 00:52.26 | tjs | so its only 11-70 |
| 00:52.27 | tjs | but I figure people can work out how to get to lvl 10 themselves ;) |
| 00:52.27 | bleetah | me too |
| 00:52.38 | bleetah | if I were an op, I'd kick/ban without warning |
| 00:52.42 | tjs | cogwheel: how is it pirated ? |
| 00:52.50 | tjs | I said you must own the guide to use / look at it |
| 00:52.58 | tjs | its a reformat |
| 00:53.09 | tjs | would you object to me pasting the script to reformat it? |
| 00:53.13 | cogwheel | Nope |
| 00:53.24 | Cairenn | hi, what's going on? |
| 00:53.41 | bleetah | if it's a (C), you're distributing the document without permission, therefor, it's a (C) violation. |
| 00:53.45 | tjs | Cairenn: we're discussing copyright |
| 00:53.50 | bleetah | saying 'you must own it to look at this pastey' is no excuse |
| 00:54.43 | Corrodias | bleetah takes his levelling guides very seriously |
| 00:55.10 | bleetah | I take (C) issues seriously |
| 00:55.33 | Corrodias | oh, don't be so shy. i know how excited you get when someone tells you to take a quest. |
| 00:55.43 | tjs | bleetah: did you follow the link? out of curiosity ? |
| 00:57.05 | Corrodias | on a similar note, < Timex Social Club - Rumors > is a very strange song |
| 00:57.06 | tjs | also, out of curiosity, what does the wow ELUA/TOS say about derivitive works? |
| 00:57.11 | cogwheel | I did, because my eyes were drawn to the link... But how is that relevant? (we all know you weren't asking out of curiosity... you're testing us to see how much respect he actually has for copyrights) |
| 00:57.23 | cogwheel | tjs: that's entirely irrelevant |
| 00:57.25 | Corrodias | well, only a little strange, i suppose |
| 00:57.41 | Cairenn | if you know for fact that something you are linking is a violation of copyright, then don't link it here, please and thank you |
| 00:57.50 | cogwheel | qft |
| 00:58.00 | Corrodias | if i'm not mistaken, derivative works are forbidden or claimed by blizzard |
| 00:58.14 | Corrodias | in case -you- are curious, a guide isn't a derivative work |
| 00:58.15 | cogwheel | either way, it's not a "derivative" work. |
| 00:58.53 | bleetah | if `lynx -dump http://rafb.net/p/aYK2j789.txt |grep ©` can be considered following, then I guess I did |
| 00:58.54 | Corrodias | third, i have little respect for copyright law, but it's good not to get yourself into trouble anyway |
| 00:59.55 | tjs | Corrodias: thanks for the tip, I shall only post the script I wrote to generate the content |
| 01:00.06 | tjs | people can buy the guide and use it themselves |
| 01:00.27 | Corrodias | well, that wasn't my idea, but it's a good one. in fact, i might even say "because it's a good one" :| |
| 01:01.12 | Karrion | tjs: which is fine until the original author claims by stripping frames or whatever you're bypassing an "access control device" and therefore your code violates the DMCA >.> |
| 01:01.39 | tjs | hehe |
| 01:01.41 | Corrodias | that depends on the structure of the original document |
| 01:01.45 | cogwheel | As much as I respect copyright, the DMCA is a load of crap |
| 01:01.54 | Corrodias | from what he said, it's just hard to see |
| 01:02.06 | cogwheel | and unfortunately, is entirely constitutional :( |
| 01:02.12 | Karrion | yeah, I have a lot of respect for the original intent of copyright, but deplore the current state of it :-( |
| 01:02.16 | tjs | DMCA doesn't apply in my country |
| 01:02.22 | tjs | afaik |
| 01:02.24 | cogwheel | grats :) |
| 01:02.32 | tjs | its US only ? |
| 01:02.36 | cogwheel | afaik |
| 01:02.43 | Stephmw | tjs: ... on dear, the US is bound to invade sooner or later |
| 01:02.49 | tjs | teheh |
| 01:02.52 | Karrion | DMCA is US only, but a bunch of others (including mine, .au) have followed suit |
| 01:02.59 | tjs | I'm in au |
| 01:03.14 | Corrodias | oh... i sympathize |
| 01:03.14 | tjs | we dont have our own DMCA afaik |
| 01:03.22 | Karrion | ok, so DMCA doesn't apply, but the Copyright Act (Digital Agenta) does |
| 01:03.24 | Corrodias | australians have enough to deal with without that |
| 01:03.25 | bleetah | tjs: you're in .au? it's pretty much the same, and arguably under the US/AU FTA agreement, they could try to prosecute |
| 01:03.46 | Karrion | in fact ours is slightly worse than the US one |
| 01:03.49 | Corrodias | -assuming- the original document has copy protection that he's circumventing |
| 01:03.54 | Cairenn | and most countries respect each other's copyright |
| 01:04.01 | Karrion | because our pre-dmca law has no concept of fair use |
| 01:04.06 | Corrodias | that doesn't mean it can't be released -anonymously- if you do it right |
| 01:04.13 | Stephmw | even China is starting to enforce (c) |
| 01:04.19 | bleetah | Karrion: well, we do have the nifty reverse engineering clause |
| 01:04.30 | Karrion | Corrodias: yes, my comment was slightly tongue-in-cheek ;-) |
| 01:04.54 | Corrodias | disclaimer: i don't support copyright violations; i'm just a poor white man trying to listen to some Styx |
| 01:05.09 | Karrion | bleetah; true, but I think digital agenda still trumps that, courtesy of the AU/US FTA |
| 01:05.32 | bleetah | Karrion: yeah, I'm waiting for the court case on that one.. /sigh |
| 01:05.35 | Karrion | but it's been a while since I read the text |
| 01:06.11 | bleetah | and I don't think that Coonan, Downer and Ruddock have half a braincell between them to effectively deal with the issues |
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| 01:06.30 | bleetah | the proposed new digital content laws look pretty sucky, too |
| 01:06.55 | Karrion | yeah, saw that leaked draft, it would suck if it went in like that |
| 01:07.02 | bleetah | at my first read, it'd appear that any book that's rated MA15+ would have to be removed from library indexes, so the only way to find out if it's on the shelf, is to physically attend the library |
| 01:07.40 | Karrion | not just that's rated MA15+, but "would be likely to be" rated... |
| 01:07.46 | bleetah | though I heard Coonan on AM (or was it The Media Report on Radio national?) this morning bleating on about how us plebs just don't understand her |
| 01:07.59 | bleetah | oh yeah, the 'likely to be rated' is the killer |
| 01:08.05 | Karrion | yeah, we don't understand her.... because she's talking crap |
| 01:08.13 | bleetah | qft |
| 01:08.37 | bleetah | i think cogwheel owes me... something.. TIMTAMS!!!! |
| 01:09.17 | Karrion | oh great, now I want timtams |
| 01:09.38 | bleetah | double or quad choc? |
| 01:09.46 | bleetah | do they still sell the ones with alcohol flavouring? |
| 01:09.59 | Karrion | quad choc, wrapped in double choc |
| 01:10.03 | Karrion | I'm not sure |
| 01:10.58 | bleetah | fwiw, the Cadbury choc factory is about... 20 mins drive from me... used to be great, all the offcuts would be free at the end of the tour. now they charge about 1/2 price for it, which kinda sucks.. but it's still a bonus |
| 01:11.15 | tjs | bleetah: are you in tas? |
| 01:11.20 | bleetah | tjs: yup |
| 01:11.24 | tjs | zomg |
| 01:11.33 | tjs | same |
| 01:11.47 | tjs | want to get a coffee and talk (c) ;) hahaha |
| 01:12.10 | Corrodias | assassinate! |
| 01:12.31 | tjs | but yeh, the choc factory is a rip off |
| 01:12.59 | bleetah | strahan, sandy bay, kingston, glebe or trevallyn? |
| 01:13.22 | tjs | me? |
| 01:13.35 | tjs | I live in kingston beach, work as a programmer in sandybay |
| 01:13.38 | Karrion | bleetah: I'm in melb, the building I live in was the former MacRobertson's (now Cadbury's) factory... where the freddo frog was invented ;-) |
| 01:13.39 | bleetah | (this is a side tip to not use your name in your IRC info.. and then state you're in a place with <500k people ;-) |
| 01:13.47 | bleetah | Freddo's fantastic |
| 01:13.52 | bleetah | and he tastes great, too |
| 01:14.07 | Mortius | wow I came back at a bad time |
| 01:14.22 | tjs | bleetah: where are you at? |
| 01:14.31 | Corrodias | there are thousands of people within killing distance of any one of us |
| 01:14.32 | bleetah | Lindisfarne area |
| 01:14.38 | tjs | ah |
| 01:14.44 | Corrodias | i don't think knowing that there's some guy "over there" is going to motivate me |
| 01:15.21 | bleetah | so yeah, if you're going to post an item that breaches (C), it's also not a good idea to say where you are and have your name on your IRC details. |
| 01:15.48 | tjs | that is probably a good point |
| 01:17.06 | Corrodias | well, there is that |
| 01:17.12 | Corrodias | that's not so anonymous |
| 01:17.21 | tjs | I was however under the assumption that providing an alternate work to people who already owned the original was not a (C) violation, now I do, I guess if I was coming here to be deliberately covert I would have hidden that info |
| 01:18.37 | tjs | you could, as you say, be a jerk and dob me in, or alternatively you could be satisfied that you have corrected my understanding of the issue and prevented it happening again ;D |
| 01:18.40 | bleetah | tjs: the correct behaviour would be to contact the (C) owner, provide them with your script and the resultant output, it's up to him whether (a) he pays you for the script and (b) redistributes the resultant text and/or pay you for it |
| 01:19.05 | tjs | bleetah: yeh I'll email it to him |
| 01:19.13 | bleetah | tjs: unfortunately, ignorance is no defence in the eyes of the law |
| 01:19.23 | bleetah | (unless you're a member of parliament, it'd seem) |
| 01:19.27 | Mortius | I'll take $50 monthly to not turn you in. I accept PayPal and money orders. |
| 01:19.29 | tjs | tehehe |
| 01:19.59 | Corrodias | for a one-time fee of $50 i'll break Mortius into pieces so he can't report you |
| 01:20.05 | tjs | Mortius: I'll take $60 monthly not to counter turn you in for blackmail |
| 01:20.10 | Mortius | oooh, that's pretty cheap too. |
| 01:20.18 | tjs | :D |
| 01:20.21 | Mortius | Crap, now I'm losing money. |
| 01:20.31 | tjs | only 10 a month |
| 01:20.34 | JoshBorke | i'll do it for 40$ |
| 01:20.38 | Mortius | that _IS_ pretty cheap. |
| 01:21.02 | bleetah | depends if this is USD, AUD, or Zimbabwean currency ;) |
| 01:21.10 | bleetah | at least, I think Zimb uses the $ |
| 01:21.17 | tjs | the rand |
| 01:21.19 | tjs | I think |
| 01:21.38 | bleetah | rand is south africa |
| 01:21.45 | tjs | aah |
| 01:21.55 | Mortius | I think 3 crackers = 10 rand though.. give or take a couple if they are salted |
| 01:22.04 | tjs | yeh |
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| 01:22.40 | tjs | my brother inlaw went to africa recently, said it was almost impossible to carry enough money to do anything without a backpack to keep it all in |
| 01:22.42 | bleetah | my 'favoruite' two currencies... ringgit and dong |
| 01:22.59 | tjs | where are they from? |
| 01:23.23 | bleetah | ringgit is malaysia, dong's thailand |
| 01:23.28 | tjs | ah |
| 01:23.40 | bleetah | no, sorry, that's baht |
| 01:23.41 | bleetah | erm |
| 01:23.52 | bleetah | vietnam |
| 01:23.58 | kaso | On currencies, ive got myself a thousand or so "old" iraqi dinars with Saddam's face on em, those are pretty awesome. |
| 01:24.20 | Mortius | Nice. |
| 01:24.47 | tjs | I have about $5 AUD for lunch.. does that count ;) |
| 01:24.51 | kaso | give em ten years and they'll be rare. |
| 01:24.53 | kaso | haha |
| 01:25.08 | kaso | http://kasoo.net/img/imgs/notes.jpg |
| 01:25.44 | Mortius | how come even old iraqi currency looks better than ours |
| 01:26.04 | Mortius | ours being US of course. |
| 01:26.11 | bleetah | technically, it's not 'vietnamese dong', but 'Vietnamese đồng'.. but that's a minor detail when I'm trying to impress chicks with how many dongs I have |
| 01:26.12 | kaso | US money is crap |
| 01:26.16 | Mortius | yeah I know. |
| 01:26.26 | kaso | i feel sorry for blind people in US |
| 01:26.34 | bleetah | d/blind/ |
| 01:26.36 | Mortius | I feel sorry for blind people. |
| 01:26.51 | bleetah | d/US/, as well |
| 01:26.52 | kaso | all your notes are the same size/shape arent they? |
| 01:27.02 | Mortius | yes, but they have a differnet taste |
| 01:27.15 | kaso | lick the notes? |
| 01:27.30 | Corrodias | blind people got what they deserve |
| 01:27.35 | kaso | hahaha |
| 01:27.51 | kaso | http://www.tshirthell.com/store/product.php?productid=559 |
| 01:28.01 | Mortius | yes, it not only tells you the value of the note, but you can also tell if it just came from a strippers g-sting or not. |
| 01:28.38 | Mortius | I love tshirthell. There are very few of those that I would wear in public, however. |
| 01:29.23 | tjs | brb |
| 01:32.35 | Mortius | nick Mortius|cool |
| 01:32.37 | Mortius | oops |
| 01:32.55 | Mortius | okay, well I'm going to go write some more horrible horrible code. take care all. |
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| 01:41.05 | Tem | that's awesome, kaso |
| 01:41.07 | Tem | I can't read it |
| 01:41.14 | Tem | because I'm red-green colorblind |
| 01:41.32 | kaso | I assume you get the message from the title though |
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| 01:42.04 | Tem | yeah |
| 01:46.43 | Tem | so, how obvious is it if you're not colorblind? |
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| 01:47.44 | kergoth | last time i went to an eye doc was a long time ago, i thinkt hey said iw as partly colorblind.. but i cant read that at all, i can make out the overall shapes of the words, but thats it |
| 01:47.50 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:48.28 | Cairenn | It's fairly obvious |
| 01:48.58 | kaso | http://kasoo.net/img/imgs/a559_bm.gif |
| 01:49.03 | kaso | theres it with hues altered |
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| 01:54.02 | pomke | hello |
| 01:54.16 | pomke | is anyone here from khaz-goroth? |
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| 02:04.49 | kaso | pomke may i ask why the realm is important? |
| 02:05.29 | pomke | kaso: not really sure, I guess I was wondering if anyone I know was here |
| 02:06.01 | pomke | looking for some kind of wow community I can chat with from work |
| 02:06.41 | pomke | I'm on freenode anyway so this seemed to be a good spot |
| 02:07.04 | JoshBorke | no one REALLY chats here, we all just idle |
| 02:07.11 | pomke | ok |
| 02:07.12 | kaso | Either that or we talk code :> |
| 02:07.21 | pomke | thats ok, I'm a programmer |
| 02:07.21 | Bleetuz | or rubbish |
| 02:07.53 | kaso | wowWiki has more general wow chat, but they also get quite wikipolitical and lots of lore talk in there |
| 02:08.06 | pomke | I'd rather talk code :) |
| 02:08.21 | pomke | I don't really care about wiki politics |
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| 02:08.50 | pomke | I've been meaning to get into wow hacking |
| 02:08.58 | pomke | lua seems pretty neat |
| 02:09.08 | Cairenn | he flashed his bios |
| 02:09.18 | Bleetuz | I'd suspected he'd got his linux machine up, then went out to install the graphics driver.. kinda hoped he'll be back soon |
| 02:09.47 | kaso | pomke should've been here eariler we had our very own lua bot, and we were talking about how (0/0)~=(0/0), that was fun code talk |
| 02:09.52 | Bleetuz | Cairenn: ah, rightio... I'm sure he can look after himself, but.. I'm here (and I'm sure are others) to help him out if he needs |
| 02:10.02 | pomke | :) |
| 02:10.16 | pomke | has anyone done any lua embedding? |
| 02:10.37 | pomke | I was looking at the embedding hooks for a little c++ toy project I've been hacking on |
| 02:10.53 | Cairenn | (8:19:34 PM) cogwheel: flashing bios... brb |
| 02:10.53 | Cairenn | (8:19:43 PM) cogwheel left the room (quit: "flashing bios"). |
| 02:11.02 | kaso | Cide's luabot might be embedded i forget how he said he did it |
| 02:11.10 | kaso | but Cide isnt about atm so its moot |
| 02:11.34 | pomke | hmm, okay anyone really know lua backwards? I have some hairy questions :) |
| 02:11.45 | JoshBorke | krka knows lua fairly well |
| 02:11.52 | pomke | cool |
| 02:12.04 | JoshBorke | (or at least i think he does) |
| 02:12.12 | JoshBorke | Cairenn is an expert's expert ;-) |
| 02:12.17 | Bleetuz | Cairenn: about 20 mins after that -> (12:08:20 PM) cogwheel left the room (quit: "zomglinuxworksonmycompfinally"). |
| 02:12.30 | Bleetuz | he's since come in for about 2 mins, then left |
| 02:12.48 | pomke | My little project (still prototype / planning) will use boost:asio for async IO and managing event handling etc.. |
| 02:13.21 | JoshBorke | no idea what boost:asio is :-P |
| 02:13.39 | pomke | its a C++ async proactor |
| 02:13.55 | Bleetuz | pomke: not that I'm trying to get rid of you, but it sounds like the #lua channel might be more appropriate. Of course, if your procet somehow relates to WoW, they may send you back here ;) |
| 02:14.06 | Bleetuz | s/procet/project/ |
| 02:14.09 | pomke | ah |
| 02:14.26 | pomke | ?? |
| 02:14.42 | Cairenn | this is a channel primarily for WoW Mod Authors |
| 02:15.32 | pomke | no I'm wondering who purl is and if its only purpose (guessing its a bot) is to catch string replace quips |
| 02:15.39 | pomke | s/quips/msgs |
| 02:15.45 | Bleetuz | ~cookie |
| 02:15.49 | pomke | s/quips/msgs/ |
| 02:15.53 | pomke | heheh |
| 02:16.00 | pomke | cute |
| 02:16.06 | JoshBorke | purl, hug Cairenn |
| 02:16.07 | purl | ACTION hugs Cairenn |
| 02:16.09 | JoshBorke | purl, what are you? |
| 02:16.10 | purl | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 02:16.14 | Bleetuz | ~lart JoshBorke |
| 02:16.21 | JoshBorke | ~whalebomb Bleetuz |
| 02:16.22 | purl | ACTION throws an explosive whale named Gunter at Bleetuz and hides. |
| 02:16.27 | Bleetuz | /ducks |
| 02:17.18 | pomke | ok so I'm sure I can dig up some wow related questions from my brain |
| 02:17.34 | pomke | from my brief look around ace2 seemed to be one of the most widely used/respected libs for wow |
| 02:17.37 | JoshBorke | you don't have to pomke, we won't mind ;-) |
| 02:17.44 | JoshBorke | well, i won't |
| 02:17.56 | JoshBorke | watch out for Tain, he's kinda out there |
| 02:17.59 | pomke | is that really a good place to start addon hacking? |
| 02:18.17 | pomke | or are there better options |
| 02:18.31 | JoshBorke | Ace2 is a widely used addon framework, but there is a new one called Dongle that isn't quite as complex (no OO) |
| 02:18.36 | Cairenn | personal preference |
| 02:18.47 | pomke | whats wrong with OO ? |
| 02:18.57 | clad|work | nothing, btu oo can easily be implemented by anyone. |
| 02:19.00 | JoshBorke | nothing's wrong with OO, but not everything needs it :-) |
| 02:19.07 | clad|work | JoshBorke: I woudn't mark that as themajor diffefernce at all |
| 02:19.07 | JoshBorke | clad is supposed to be at work :-P |
| 02:19.10 | clad|work | they're functionally equivalent. |
| 02:19.11 | Tain | Hey! |
| 02:19.14 | Fin | OO kills baby kittens! |
| 02:19.25 | JoshBorke | sorry :-/ i don't know enough about either |
| 02:19.38 | clad|work | http://www.wowwiki.com/Dongle |
| 02:19.45 | pomke | from looking at lua it seems to be open to any OO model you like |
| 02:19.47 | clad|work | i donlt know if ace2 has a wiki page anywhere. |
| 02:19.51 | clad|work | pomke: yep, hence the point =) |
| 02:20.00 | pomke | ah ok |
| 02:20.20 | kaso | My personal opinion is that people should code a few addons the "old fashioned way" before moving onto libs, to get a good grounding on the wow API |
| 02:20.28 | kaso | but perhaps thats just be being old fasioned |
| 02:20.33 | Cairenn | and there's also the Khaos libraries/framework |
| 02:20.54 | pomke | what I liked about ace (from using the addons) is the consistent menu layout |
| 02:20.55 | clad|work | Khaos is just a configuration addon, Sea is the library =) |
| 02:21.07 | pomke | does dongle abstract that sort of thing? |
| 02:21.08 | Cairenn | meh |
| 02:21.23 | clad|work | pomke: Abstract what? |
| 02:21.37 | pomke | building a menu or configuration panel |
| 02:21.52 | Thrae | Dongle is a cool library framework that is very, very lightweight and implements only the bare necessities for the user (RegisterEvent, Initialize, Database management, etc.) |
| 02:21.55 | clad|work | no, but neither does Ace |
| 02:22.05 | pomke | oh |
| 02:22.15 | Thrae | Oh, clad's awake. |
| 02:22.25 | Bleetuz | i think the auctioneer guys may be coming up with something like that does for their rewrite |
| 02:22.29 | JoshBorke | as thrae forgets to scroll down |
| 02:22.38 | JoshBorke | see pomke, most people just lurk until they find something interesting |
| 02:23.09 | Thrae | JoshBorke: I'm lurking in ~15 channels across 4 networks. |
| 02:23.26 | pomke | how do you get any work done ? ;) |
| 02:23.52 | Thrae | IRC is on a separate monitor, I don't look at it all the time ;) |
| 02:24.11 | JoshBorke | clad|work: when is clique going to toast my bread? |
| 02:24.24 | clad|work | nevar |
| 02:24.41 | JoshBorke | :'( |
| 02:25.04 | Thrae | I'd rather have PerfectRaid toast my bread...or at least stop thinking I never buff anyone ;) |
| 02:25.11 | clad|work | huh? |
| 02:25.52 | bleetah|coffee | nn clad|sleep |
| 02:26.04 | clad|sleep | Thrae: whats wrong with PR? |
| 02:26.09 | Cairenn | night clad|sleep |
| 02:26.09 | Thrae | clad|sleep: PerfectRaid doesn't seem to care whether Thorns or Mark of the Wild is cast on someone or not, it'll still say they need it. Was going to report it one of these days. |
| 02:26.16 | clad|sleep | ... |
| 02:26.22 | clad|sleep | it works just fine |
| 02:26.28 | JoshBorke | nn clad|sleep |
| 02:26.45 | Thrae | Not for me in PvP raids...might be visibility issues, since 70% of the raid usually isn't visible |
| 02:26.57 | clad|sleep | Thrae: I use it ALL the time, and so do all the other users |
| 02:27.18 | pomke | doesn't matter what new raid mod comes out sadly.. reguardless of how good it is.. most raid guilds mandate ct_raid |
| 02:27.35 | clad|sleep | meh, that's overstating the issue. |
| 02:27.40 | JoshBorke | not true at all pomke, i think anyway |
| 02:27.45 | Thrae | pomke: They mandate it for the information sharing, you can use different addons to get that, like oRA2 |
| 02:28.30 | pomke | ooh, was not aware of oRA2 |
| 02:28.35 | pomke | looks interesting |
| 02:29.17 | Thrae | Anyway, I need to recode PerfectRaid to implement party and mana reports. It's #32 on my to-do list, right after Feed My Bird. |
| 02:29.30 | Thrae | ...Crap, I made this list 3 months ago... |
| 02:29.43 | Karrion|Food | lol |
| 02:29.44 | clad|sleep | well submit diffs when you do |
| 02:29.56 | JoshBorke | Thrae: or share the list so that productive people can work on it |
| 02:30.14 | Karrion | and add "Buy new Bird" to the bottom on the list |
| 02:30.40 | Thrae | I'm productive! My body produces dozens of vital minerals that anyone would want to bottle and sell, if they knew how. |
| 02:30.41 | Cairenn | http://www.dropline.net/cats/images/kitty_crit_mass.jpg |
| 02:31.01 | JoshBorke | Thrae: for use as poisons? |
| 02:31.08 | Thrae | JoshBorke: Only SOME |
| 02:35.12 | JoshBorke | hrm, dongle makes me want to try it since i understand it now |
| 02:35.35 | clad|sleep | ol |
| 02:36.02 | JoshBorke | must, resist, the urge to make a new mod |
| 02:36.17 | JoshBorke | maybe i'll just make a little library... |
| 02:36.20 | JoshBorke | DelayedTooltips |
| 02:36.28 | clad|sleep | heh |
| 02:36.32 | clad|sleep | whats it do? =) |
| 02:36.37 | Thrae | JoshBorke: If you want to take one of my tasks, make "WhackAMole" |
| 02:37.06 | JoshBorke | clad|sleep: it takes the idea of hovering over buttons to get a brief description of what they do |
| 02:37.16 | clad|sleep | heh |
| 02:37.21 | JoshBorke | ie in windows hovering over the minimize button will eventually show a "Minimize" |
| 02:37.32 | clad|sleep | yay |
| 02:37.39 | clad|sleep | Clique had a whack a mole mode. |
| 02:37.42 | clad|sleep | i took it out tho |
| 02:37.47 | pomke | not actually sure what mod I would want to make .. |
| 02:37.59 | pomke | other than I want to make one just cause ;) |
| 02:37.59 | JoshBorke | figure it's one of those little things that people might be used to from the real world |
| 02:38.11 | Thrae | clad|sleep: Against your philosophy? |
| 02:38.35 | clad|sleep | no |
| 02:38.48 | clad|sleep | someone activated it accidentally |
| 02:38.50 | clad|sleep | and got annoyed |
| 02:38.51 | clad|sleep | hehe =) |
| 02:38.54 | clad|sleep | it was an easter egg |
| 02:38.55 | Thrae | Haha |
| 02:39.20 | clad|sleep | i removed it cause i was bored with it =) |
| 02:39.22 | clad|sleep | not cause of the complaint |
| 02:39.31 | clad|sleep | i mean you had to a.) have the clique window open, and b/.) type "mole" |
| 02:39.42 | clad|sleep | if you pull that off |
| 02:39.45 | clad|sleep | you deserve what you get =) |
| 02:40.09 | Shirik | wowi should have the old version :P |
| 02:40.14 | Thrae | I was just thinking of a simple hovering button for each party and/or raid member that allows you to decurse, etc. with a single left-click, remove poison with a right-click, etc. |
| 02:40.24 | JoshBorke | like grid? |
| 02:40.28 | clad|sleep | yeah |
| 02:40.29 | clad|sleep | heh |
| 02:40.30 | Shirik | or rdx :( |
| 02:40.32 | clad|sleep | or clique |
| 02:40.36 | Thrae | Decrease the amount of complicated keybinds I need |
| 02:40.37 | Shirik | or all of the above |
| 02:40.54 | clad|sleep | i fear you're trying to solve something that's not a problem =) |
| 02:41.01 | JoshBorke | the rdx idea to have the lines connecting people was imo pretty out there ;-) |
| 02:41.07 | nymbia | all of the above.. AT THE SAME TIME! |
| 02:41.11 | nymbia | .. or something |
| 02:41.12 | clad|sleep | nymbia: with toast? |
| 02:41.15 | Shirik | and butter |
| 02:41.19 | clad|sleep | mmm butter |
| 02:41.26 | JoshBorke | can i get some peanut butter? |
| 02:41.30 | Shirik | jelly time |
| 02:41.35 | nymbia | definitely toast with butter. |
| 02:41.36 | Thrae | clad|sleep: I find it hard to remember what I keybind where |
| 02:41.39 | JoshBorke | ice cream and cake and cake |
| 02:41.44 | Shirik | or pi |
| 02:41.45 | Thrae | I try to decrease the number of keybinds I have |
| 02:41.52 | JoshBorke | keybinds or mice binds? |
| 02:41.54 | Shirik | it's still pi day for another 1h15 |
| 02:41.57 | Thrae | Both |
| 02:42.00 | clad|sleep | Thrae: so add a tooltip to clique |
| 02:42.03 | clad|sleep | peop[el have been asking for it |
| 02:42.04 | Tain | I didn't get my steak. |
| 02:42.06 | clad|sleep | i just need to do it |
| 02:42.12 | Thrae | clad|sleep: "tooltip"? |
| 02:42.27 | clad|sleep | when you mouseover a unit frame, it would pop up a tooltip showing you what keybinds you have set |
| 02:42.53 | Thrae | Nah, it's not that. It's just, in the heat of battle, anxiety makes me forget things. |
| 02:43.06 | clad|sleep | well i dont think you're being clear about what you _want_ |
| 02:43.09 | clad|sleep | you mean groupbuttons? |
| 02:43.28 | Thrae | It's far, far easier for me to see a button which has a little curse icon on it, to which I left-click to decurse that player. |
| 02:43.30 | Shirik | >>> return tostring(io); |
| 02:43.37 | Shirik | !! where's Cide? |
| 02:43.40 | Shirik | =( |
| 02:43.43 | kaso | How dare he sleep! |
| 02:43.44 | clad|sleep | Thrae: there are a number of addons which do that |
| 02:43.49 | Shadowedd | he disabled that first Shirik :p |
| 02:43.52 | Shadowedd | io/os |
| 02:43.54 | Shirik | bah |
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| 02:44.06 | kaso | he's pretty much fool proof at this point i think |
| 02:44.20 | Shirik | well after two days of trying everything under the sun |
| 02:44.22 | Shirik | I'd hope so :P |
| 02:44.28 | Thrae | clad|sleep: Yeah, but they either add a bunch of other crap, or aren't movable ;) |
| 02:44.50 | Tain | Just when you think something is fool proof they make a better fool. |
| 02:45.12 | clad|sleep | Thrae: *shrug* lots of users would like a replacement for something like that |
| 02:45.14 | clad|sleep | *shrug* |
| 02:45.45 | JoshBorke | movable buttons associated with certain units, how would you know who's who if they didn't go with the unit frames? |
| 02:46.04 | Thrae | clad|sleep: Oh, I know what would fix my problem 100%. Can you make it so you can select which addon applies to which Clique bind, instead of which addon applies to Clique as a whole? |
| 02:46.10 | clad|sleep | JoshBorke: they would.. but where they're placed on the unit frames |
| 02:46.28 | clad|sleep | Thrae: not really.. either a frame wants click casting or it doesn't. |
| 02:46.36 | clad|sleep | i'm toyed with the thoughts of "frame click sets" |
| 02:46.42 | clad|sleep | but not sure how i feel about them, or how i'd do it. |
| 02:48.06 | Tain | Well, gonna watch Lost. I just dread it now because I don't know if It's going to suck or not. |
| 02:48.08 | Thrae | clad|sleep: Doesn't Clique iterate over all addons it finds and their registered clickcast-enabled frames already? |
| 02:48.20 | clad|sleep | no |
| 02:48.26 | clad|sleep | frames register to be click-cast |
| 02:48.30 | clad|sleep | in a global registry |
| 02:48.32 | clad|sleep | as consumers. |
| 02:48.39 | clad|sleep | a producer addon comes along and supllies it |
| 02:48.45 | clad|sleep | i.e. click2cast, clique, klik |
| 02:49.17 | Thrae | clad|sleep: Well I mean to set the bindings. Doesn't each frame save its binding for itself, or are you saying it's global for all frames? |
| 02:49.31 | clad|sleep | when you configure clique |
| 02:49.38 | clad|sleep | it configures the bindings for each and every click-castable frame. |
| 02:49.42 | clad|sleep | they're all the same |
| 02:49.50 | clad|sleep | shift-click in clique makes shift-click do that on all click-cast frames |
| 02:50.12 | Thrae | clad|sleep: Right, so wouldn't it be a matter of just not iterating over the entire registry? |
| 02:50.22 | Thrae | If you wanted to bind certain clicks to certain frames. |
| 02:50.22 | clad|sleep | ... what are you asking |
| 02:50.29 | clad|sleep | no its not that simple. |
| 02:50.33 | clad|sleep | stuff isn't saved that way right now. |
| 02:50.34 | clad|sleep | which is the point |
| 02:50.43 | Thrae | Isn't saved in the API or in Clique? |
| 02:50.48 | clad|sleep | clique. |
| 02:50.52 | clad|sleep | DOING it is trivial. |
| 02:50.54 | Thrae | Ahhhh, gotcha. |
| 02:51.06 | clad|sleep | fitting it into the addon isn't. |
| 02:51.06 | clad|sleep | and tiresome |
| 02:51.14 | clad|sleep | creating a new "frame click set" requires opening a panel of ALL frames, selecting those you want, THEN configuring |
| 02:51.20 | clad|sleep | and if you want different clicks in and out of combat |
| 02:51.21 | clad|sleep | it explodes. |
| 02:51.46 | Thrae | Heh, we need a good GUI framework. |
| 02:51.59 | clad|sleep | O.o |
| 02:52.04 | clad|sleep | what does that have to do with anything? |
| 02:53.09 | Thrae | It sounded like your problem was more with how many new options you'd have to parse. |
| 02:53.19 | clad|sleep | i can make the gui no problem. |
| 02:53.21 | clad|sleep | its how to save the data |
| 02:53.22 | clad|sleep | how to make it work |
| 02:53.27 | clad|sleep | how to make it not.. insane |
| 02:53.32 | Thrae | But I see from your more recent statement, it's also about exceptions like in/out of combat. |
| 02:53.38 | clad|sleep | setting that many attributes that often isn't cheap. |
| 02:53.46 | clad|sleep | especially when you consider all four click-sets. |
| 02:55.14 | clad|sleep | i'll come up with something at some point |
| 02:55.16 | clad|sleep | but its a nasty problem =) |
| 02:55.16 | Thrae | I think it'd be fine if you just didn't worry about adding the entirity of OnEvent to when to add a particular clickset...I was just talking about saving a clickset to the registered frame/addon, as listed by Clique |
| 02:55.37 | clad|sleep | Thrae: its just not that simple, honestly =) Clique doesn't work _that_ way right now. |
| 02:55.49 | clad|sleep | Goodnight all |
| 02:55.53 | Thrae | g'night! |
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| 03:42.04 | jiteo | Question about action bars, if I may. |
| 03:42.42 | jiteo | First, what I understand: |
| 03:43.08 | jiteo | (Or think I understand) |
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| 03:43.55 | jiteo | When you create a button, you can set its type attribute to action, and set its action attribute to an integer representing an action from the 120 WoW gives you. |
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| 03:44.24 | jiteo | But what happens when those 120 aren't enough? |
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| 03:50.31 | Karrion | jiteo: either you're SOL, or you need to make your own buttons which call spellls/items/etc directly |
| 03:51.45 | Karrion | ie instead of using "action" and the integer, you can use "spell" (I think that's the string) and the name of the spell |
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| 03:52.15 | jiteo | I'll give some context. |
| 03:52.51 | jiteo | Trying to get action bars next to party, self, and target frames that cast the spells in them on those targets. |
| 03:53.02 | jiteo | Like GroupButtons used to do. |
| 03:53.19 | jiteo | Yes, there are replacements, but I find there's something slightly wrong with each. |
| 03:53.30 | JoshBorke | erm, did Keepers of Time always have a healing epic bracer? |
| 03:54.24 | jiteo | For example, most use the 120 actions. But what if you're a druid? |
| 03:54.38 | Karrion | jiteo: ok, so you'd create the button frames, set their "action" attribute to "spell", their "spell" attribute to the name of the spell, and their "unit" attribute to "player1" etc |
| 03:54.47 | Karrion | no need to use up action IDs |
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| 03:55.24 | Karrion | for that you don't need an "action" button, just a plain old button ;-) |
| 03:56.37 | jiteo | (Abilities are technically spells, right? If for some reason a warrior would use the mod...) |
| 03:56.38 | Karrion | yes |
| 03:57.12 | Karrion | (hmm, my warrior might use such a thing to Intervene party members...) |
| 03:57.18 | jiteo | I did try that - it gave me empty buttons for some reason. They'd still cast the spell, but no icon, nothing... |
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| 03:57.57 | jiteo | Is that because it wasn't an action, and I have to set all that manually? |
| 03:58.06 | Karrion | yeah you'll need to set that up manually |
| 03:58.23 | jiteo | Damn, I was hoping I'd get away with a quick hack :/ |
| 03:58.56 | Karrion | eh, it's not _too_ hard to throw a texture on the button |
| 03:59.31 | jiteo | You've probably guessed I'm new at all this :/ |
| 03:59.46 | jiteo | And rather displeased at the docs... |
| 04:00.10 | Karrion | you may also be able to get away with inheriting from ActionButtonTemplate, and just change the type to not be "action" |
| 04:00.19 | Karrion | (that's what I do) |
| 04:00.40 | jiteo | (What about that cooldown timer animation? I don't suppose it comes with the texture) |
| 04:01.12 | jiteo | Tried that also - set no type at all. |
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| 04:01.28 | sysrage | (why are you guys talking in parenthesis?) |
| 04:01.38 | Shirik|Fooding | (because it's fun) |
| 04:01.39 | jiteo | (Why not!) |
| 04:01.47 | sysrage | (Weee!) |
| 04:01.53 | Nom- | (lern2quashboredom) |
| 04:01.53 | Shirik|Fooding | (/nick Shirik) |
| 04:02.03 | Nom- | (Shirik you nub) |
| 04:02.24 | Shirik | (/me is tired) |
| 04:02.34 | jiteo | With no type set it made *all* the buttons I had created be the spell, whatever I put on there. |
| 04:02.48 | jiteo | Could have been a bug in the for loop though :/ |
| 04:04.47 | Nom- | *sigh* |
| 04:04.55 | Shirik | time for sleepage |
| 04:04.56 | Shirik | take care |
| 04:05.21 | Nom- | A few 50mb emails and all of a sudden the HDD is full and you've got an entire department yelling at your department about the badness of sending bad emails |
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| 04:14.10 | Nom- | *fun* |
| 04:20.02 | Karrion | jiteo: you will need to set the type, otherwise it would inherit the "action" type from ActionButtonTemplate I think |
| 04:23.14 | jiteo | Ah. |
| 04:23.33 | jiteo | Thanks for the help :) |
| 04:23.51 | jiteo | I've tried not to ask noob questions, but the documentaion frustrates me. |
| 04:24.15 | jiteo | Blizzard doesn't seem to have done much other than "Here, have fun". |
| 04:29.22 | bleetah | jiteo: that's about it, 'cept for the UI forum which is 'we'll help you out where and when we can' |
| 04:29.58 | Cairenn | and most of the folks that will help you out there - are here |
| 04:30.17 | bleetah | jiteo: if you get the UI kit, you can take a look through their UI code an see how they do stuff.. whther it's good code or not is, of course, open to debate by some ;-) |
| 04:30.21 | jiteo | Cheers ^^ |
| 04:30.40 | jiteo | UI kit? |
| 04:30.44 | Cairenn | ~api |
| 04:30.55 | Cairenn | hmmm, wrong command |
| 04:31.01 | Karrion | wdn.wowinterface.com ;-) |
| 04:31.12 | jiteo | Right, that. |
| 04:31.21 | Cairenn | that works too |
| 04:31.46 | Karrion | I tend to use wdn more than extracting to local disk, because I can see it from anywhere |
| 04:32.49 | jiteo | I guess I'll have to read others's code sooner or later :/ |
| 04:32.53 | Cairenn | or this: http://www.blizzard.com/support/wow/?id=aww01669p |
| 04:33.09 | Cairenn | that's the ui kit we were referring to |
| 04:33.19 | jiteo | Yeah, I have that. |
| 04:33.31 | Cairenn | but Karrion is right, the wdn is nice because it's always there, whatever computer you are on |
| 04:33.59 | jiteo | As for whether it's good or bad code... |
| 04:34.16 | jiteo | Anything that puts an arbitraty limitation on you is bad code :/ |
| 04:34.34 | jiteo | Unless there's a valid reason they had to cap actions at 120 ;) |
| 04:35.55 | cogwheel|linux | jiteo: actions are stored on the server... |
| 04:36.23 | Nom- | ~time |
| 04:36.34 | purl | time is, like, 1 dimensional, or everlasting, an illusion, or 2007.03.15 4:36:34 GMT |
| 04:36.46 | Nom- | bah lern2timezone purl |
| 04:36.57 | Karrion | nonsense, time is -1 dimensional >.> |
| 04:37.39 | jiteo | cogwheel|linux, serious? Well, that's certainly a valid reason to keep them to a minimum, but begs the question why store them on the server in the first place... |
| 04:38.13 | Karrion | jiteo: so that you can log on from a different computer and not have to pull everything out of your spellbook |
| 04:38.46 | jiteo | Ah, well of course. |
| 04:39.12 | jiteo | Well, damn, now I'm out of reason to diss Blizzard ;( |
| 04:39.29 | Cairenn | doncha just hate it when that happens? |
| 04:39.54 | jiteo | No wait, I know! You nerfed druids you sobs! |
| 04:40.08 | Karrion | of course, macros are client side, so if you have a macro on your action button and move to a different computer.... >.< |
| 04:41.26 | jiteo | I guess they had to strike a balance - give some playability across machines, and not kill their already plighted servers... |
| 04:41.33 | jiteo | (Is plighted even a word?) |
| 04:43.12 | Karrion | it is now |
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| 04:43.37 | Nom- | bah why are all the hit chicks Night Elf ? |
| 04:43.42 | Nom- | *hot |
| 04:43.59 | jiteo | The English language is my bitch! XD |
| 04:46.20 | jiteo | Well... |
| 04:46.30 | jiteo | Thanks for the help guys! |
| 04:48.52 | Nom- | gah most of the hotties in my realm are alliance |
| 04:48.53 | Nom- | *cry* |
| 04:53.59 | kergoth | hmm, hunters... is hawk eye a worthwhile talent for a beastmastery build for leveling, or not worth the points? |
| 04:54.46 | Cairenn | fairly amusing skit on what working the help desk must have been like in the middle ages: http://www.devilducky.com/media/57946/ |
| 05:00.00 | Elessdy | christ, 11 other level 70 people in nagrand and not one will help with halaa |
| 05:00.17 | Elessdy | kergoth: is that the one that increased ranged attack range? |
| 05:00.56 | Corrodias | well, if it is, then get it. |
| 05:05.01 | kergoth | yeah it is |
| 05:05.08 | kergoth | 3 points at the top of the survival tree |
| 05:10.18 | Corrodias | everyone says it's a so nice |
| 05:13.20 | Corrodias | why did i have "a"? |
| 05:16.00 | Cairenn | you were trying to be Italian? |
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| 05:26.17 | Karrion | 'night all |
| 05:26.26 | Cairenn | night, sweet dreams |
| 05:27.00 | Karrion | (well, I say "night", it's more "leaving work to go play WoW" ;-p) |
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| 06:08.08 | Nom- | WTB gear suggestions that I can get in under 1 hour tonight |
| 06:08.09 | Nom- | http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Stormscale&n=Innominata |
| 06:08.25 | Nom- | ie. Quest rewards that I probably missed |
| 06:08.26 | Cairenn | night guys |
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| 06:12.10 | Nom- | bleh |
| 06:12.15 | Nom- | I'm OT for Karazhan in like 3 hours |
| 06:12.24 | Nom- | Need to find some gear to get as quickly as possibel when I get home |
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| 06:20.17 | Nom- | Anyone done this quest cahin before |
| 06:20.18 | Nom- | http://www.thottbot.com/q10407 |
| 06:21.46 | Nom- | *trying* to get the belt from the end of that chain...want to know if i'm likely to get it done within an hour with a little help |
| 06:24.55 | Corrodias | checking |
| 06:25.31 | Corrodias | yeah, i've done that chain |
| 06:25.42 | Corrodias | first part, 20 minutes |
| 06:25.56 | Corrodias | nah, 10 if you're grouped |
| 06:26.22 | Corrodias | second part is negligible. third part is the fight against socrethar, which typically gets bugged if you're using the aldor quest |
| 06:26.32 | Corrodias | but you can give it a try. that shouldn't take the rest of your hour. |
| 06:27.03 | Nom- | cool |
| 06:27.10 | Nom- | just a significant upgrade to my current belt |
| 06:27.22 | Nom- | and every bit of stamina helps right now |
| 06:27.35 | Nom- | I'm at just over 9k hitpoints unbuffed :/ |
| 06:27.42 | Corrodias | pussy |
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| 06:27.46 | Corrodias | j/k, that's a lot |
| 06:27.59 | Corrodias | in cat gear i'm at 6800 |
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| 06:28.11 | Nom- | Yeah, but i'm OT for Karazhan lol |
| 06:28.23 | Nom- | Ideally I want 10-12K unbuffed |
| 06:29.24 | Corrodias | okay, in bear stuff i'm at 10.1, so you're aiming at the right place |
| 06:29.33 | Corrodias | my bear gear needs a little improvement |
| 06:32.44 | Nom- | I don't thin I did too bad for 1 night of going mad for gear |
| 06:32.56 | Nom- | Got everything encahnted and pulled out every bit of tanking gear I had in the bank |
| 06:33.14 | Nom- | I got a message last night at like 10:45pm saying they needed me to OT Kara lol |
| 06:33.46 | Corrodias | i ended up OTing during Moroes in our last run, but none of that went very well anyway |
| 06:34.01 | Corrodias | we're still in the early learning stages |
| 06:34.25 | Nom- | We are as well, to some degree |
| 06:34.49 | Nom- | We just split though |
| 06:35.02 | Nom- | 1 raid group became 2 because we had 20 people who were Karazhan ready |
| 06:35.44 | Corrodias | 20 people doesn't really equal two karazhan raids >_> |
| 06:35.53 | Corrodias | well, not necessarily |
| 06:36.22 | Esamynn | lets just say it's unlikely to ;) |
| 06:36.35 | Esamynn | at least, not likely to be 2 viable raids |
| 06:37.35 | Corrodias | we seem to have three shadow priests and seventeen druids |
| 06:37.41 | Corrodias | let's make karazhan raids! |
| 06:38.29 | Corrodias | i say 17 druids because that's what i play and i want to be many |
| 06:39.14 | Esamynn | lol |
| 06:39.26 | Nom- | lol we have 2 viable raids |
| 06:39.40 | Nom- | just the dude who would normally OT can't make it |
| 06:39.44 | Nom- | So i'm stepping up at VERY short notice |
| 06:39.47 | Esamynn | as versatile as we Druids are, we still generally need other classes in the raid to complete a lot of encounters :P |
| 06:40.03 | Nom- | lol |
| 06:40.11 | Nom- | You know what I want to see? |
| 06:40.17 | Nom- | I want to see a 40-man raid of all druids |
| 06:40.17 | Corrodias | breasts |
| 06:40.29 | Nom- | Lots of Bears, Trees, Owls and Kittys |
| 06:40.30 | Esamynn | besides that Corrodias :P |
| 06:40.47 | Nom- | even just a 25-man |
| 06:40.52 | Esamynn | hehe |
| 06:40.55 | Nom- | that would rock |
| 06:41.28 | Nom- | how could a 25-man druid army not take down any boss? |
| 06:41.30 | Esamynn | you know what else will rock? |
| 06:41.41 | Esamynn | Epic Flight Form 8) |
| 06:41.42 | Nom- | "Crap, tree down! *combat res*" |
| 06:42.07 | Esamynn | no kidding, it's like a 50 man raid ;) |
| 06:42.12 | Nom- | pretty much |
| 06:42.26 | Corrodias | well, now |
| 06:42.31 | Corrodias | it's not so easy for a tank to rez somebody |
| 06:42.40 | Corrodias | i -can- toss an innervate if i'm tanking something that won't kill me in 3 hits |
| 06:42.42 | Nom- | bear slap! |
| 06:42.51 | Esamynn | lol |
| 06:42.54 | Nom- | Assuming not immune to stun |
| 06:42.59 | Corrodias | yeah, any boss or tough mob will be |
| 06:43.01 | Esamynn | which all bosses are :P |
| 06:43.17 | Esamynn | switch tanks, jeez |
| 06:43.24 | Nom- | That too |
| 06:43.29 | Nom- | I mean you've got 25 tanks in that group :P |
| 06:43.35 | Esamynn | sort of |
| 06:43.36 | Nom- | Well not quite, but you know what I mean :) |
| 06:43.56 | Corrodias | good god. ravage crit 2100, mangle 576, mangle crit 1200, bite crit 2700 |
| 06:43.58 | Esamynn | lets just hope we don't run into any nasty diseases or magic debufs |
| 06:44.00 | Corrodias | this mob is so toasted |
| 06:44.06 | Esamynn | haha |
| 06:44.14 | Nom- | Tjat |
| 06:44.17 | Nom- | That's solved |
| 06:44.21 | Nom- | 24 Druids and 1 Paladin! |
| 06:44.36 | Nom- | After all, you gotta have you BoK |
| 06:44.40 | Corrodias | jesus christ, it's unstoppable |
| 06:45.01 | Esamynn | you know, it just might be! ;) |
| 06:45.07 | Esamynn | maybe 2 or 3 paladins, but..... |
| 06:45.31 | Nom- | Yes...3 pallys would be good |
| 06:45.35 | Nom- | 22 Druids and 3 Pally |
| 06:45.54 | Corrodias | don't forget a mage to remove magic debuffs if it happens |
| 06:46.04 | Esamynn | those are curses |
| 06:46.06 | Esamynn | druids can do that |
| 06:46.16 | Corrodias | no, there are "magic" types, too, like sheep |
| 06:46.20 | Nom- | BoK, BoM/BoW, BoSanc/BoSomethigElse |
| 06:46.26 | Nom- | Yeah, Pally does magic |
| 06:46.34 | Nom- | Pally does Magic, Disease and Poison in one cast |
| 06:46.35 | Esamynn | Corrodias: mages can't cure magic, pallies and priests can |
| 06:46.38 | Corrodias | oh |
| 06:46.40 | Nom- | Druids take care of the Curses |
| 06:46.49 | Corrodias | i said mage? |
| 06:46.51 | Corrodias | i meant priest |
| 06:46.54 | Esamynn | now, maybe a 1 priest and 1 mage for Fort and Intel |
| 06:47.05 | Corrodias | but yeah, i know little about what paladins can do |
| 06:47.23 | Corrodias | except that they basically do everything very well except damage |
| 06:47.23 | Nom- | lol paladins are uber :P |
| 06:47.25 | Esamynn | so 20 Druids, 1 Mage, 1 Priest, 3 Paladins..... |
| 06:47.43 | Nom- | We've created a monster... |
| 06:47.46 | Corrodias | we call those other guys the "roadies" |
| 06:47.56 | Esamynn | totally unstoppable! =D |
| 06:49.42 | Esamynn | night guys |
| 06:49.59 | Nom- | pftt @ bed |
| 06:50.01 | Corrodias | ni |
| 06:50.08 | Esamynn | ~poke Nom- |
| 06:50.22 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Nom-, pokes Nom- repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 06:50.24 | Nom- | What's the server time atm ? |
| 06:51.06 | Corrodias | this rock in the burning steppes has a face |
| 06:51.34 | Nom- | o.O |
| 06:51.43 | Corrodias | that might depend on the TIME ZONE |
| 06:52.09 | Nom- | All the server times are on PST i think |
| 06:52.10 | Nom- | Or something |
| 06:53.10 | Nom- | 1:52am i think it is :/ |
| 06:53.18 | Nom- | hmmmmm *ponder* |
| 06:54.00 | Corrodias | i'm reasonably sure they're not |
| 06:54.08 | Corrodias | my realm is EST |
| 06:54.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | TIME FOR SOME NINJA TURTLES |
| 06:54.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | :O |
| 06:56.28 | Corrodias | ravage crit 2108, mangle crit 1270, mangle crit 1309, maim crit 1200, shred crit 1996 |
| 06:56.36 | Corrodias | poor little dragonkins :o |
| 06:56.45 | Corrodias | well, single dragonkin, but they're all getting beat up |
| 06:56.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | i got stomped by a pack of them |
| 06:57.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | in Blade Edge |
| 06:57.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | Blade's |
| 06:57.16 | Corrodias | with a clearcast at the end so i had to attack another right away |
| 06:57.26 | Corrodias | dragonkin? in blade's edge? |
| 06:59.06 | Corrodias | ah... maybe around the coven |
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| 07:01.35 | Corrodias | rolling a druid? |
| 07:02.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah the coven |
| 07:03.20 | Nom- | Suggestions on toppings anyone ?] |
| 07:03.27 | Corrodias | gnome |
| 07:03.59 | Nom- | I thought that was illegal now? :P |
| 07:04.05 | Corrodias | not in orgrimmar |
| 07:04.12 | Shadowed | can't go wrong with chicken! |
| 07:04.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | powdered gnome horn is illegal in 43 zones |
| 07:04.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | haven't gotten around to banning it in outland yet |
| 07:04.58 | Nom- | Gnomes have horns? |
| 07:04.59 | Corrodias | so a pizza... |
| 07:05.01 | Nom- | Wait, don't answer that... |
| 07:05.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | haha |
| 07:05.09 | Corrodias | my favorites are pepperoni and pretty much any vegetable |
| 07:05.13 | Corrodias | i generally don't like any other meat |
| 07:05.27 | Shadowed | liked pepperoni for a while, but got tired of it |
| 07:05.30 | Corrodias | green peppers, onions, mushrooms, olives, whatever |
| 07:05.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | pepperoni, maybe some onions if you feel like it |
| 07:05.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's about it for me |
| 07:05.39 | Corrodias | pineapple |
| 07:05.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | sometimes pineapple/ham |
| 07:05.50 | Shadowed | ew pineapple |
| 07:05.50 | Corrodias | fuck ham |
| 07:05.59 | Shadowed | you people are crazy |
| 07:06.00 | Nom- | hmmmm |
| 07:06.16 | Corrodias | the sweetness can mix nicely with the other flavors |
| 07:06.30 | Nom- | It's been a while since I had the one I used to make |
| 07:06.52 | Nom- | Bacon, Mushroom, Onion, Prawns, Chilli-Plum Sauce |
| 07:07.13 | Nom- | That's yummy to have once in a while |
| 07:08.42 | Corrodias | okay, i'd have to hurt you for trying to feed me anything with bacon, prawns, or plums, but i hope you enjoy it |
| 07:08.53 | Nom- | lol |
| 07:08.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | not a big fan of shrimpy stuff |
| 07:09.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | i like the flavor, but fuck the texture, ughhhhf |
| 07:09.09 | Corrodias | seafood isn't my thing either |
| 07:09.15 | Nom- | It's been a good 3 yars since I've had it |
| 07:09.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | i like seafood, just not lobster or crab |
| 07:09.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | er |
| 07:09.25 | Nom- | I'm not a big fan of seafood either, but I like this |
| 07:09.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | i like seafood, just not lobster or shrimpy stuff* |
| 07:09.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | i like crab |
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| 07:14.28 | Nom- | Crab is so tasteless |
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| 07:18.59 | Nom- | wtb more comics |
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| 07:22.43 | bleetuz | How many times can you bounce up and down on Satan's big old Trampoline? |
| 07:24.11 | Nom- | Satan has a Trampoline ? |
| 07:25.29 | bleetuz | You'll bounce for ever, you try and look so mean, You'll wish you'd never been on Satan's Trampoline. |
| 07:28.14 | Nom- | Anyone know if oRA2 support CTRA ? |
| 07:28.21 | Nom- | Just the consumeable check stuff |
| 07:28.40 | Nom- | I don't want to run CTRA just for that crap, because I don't use anything in it |
| 07:32.10 | Silviu- | Nom- it supports |
| 07:36.42 | Corrodias | consumable check? |
| 07:37.22 | Nom- | yeah lets raid leaders see if you've got bandages and pots etc |
| 07:37.32 | Nom- | Thanks, Silviu- |
| 07:38.40 | Corrodias | i had been farming thick clefthoof leather for money |
| 07:38.59 | Corrodias | suddenly, the market is saturated and nobody's buying, so i guess that cash cow is over |
| 07:39.13 | Corrodias | looks like i'm moving on to fel hides or netherweb silk |
| 07:43.05 | Nom- | lol |
| 07:43.30 | Corrodias | lol? |
| 07:43.41 | Corrodias | this is my financial future at stake! in the game! |
| 07:49.59 | ZealotOnAStick | what's netherweb silk sell for on average? |
| 07:50.21 | ZealotOnAStick | I know it varies per server, but still. |
| 07:51.25 | Corrodias | ah... lemme relog |
| 07:51.32 | Corrodias | i forgot already |
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| 07:54.29 | Corrodias | 4g for each, buyout price |
| 07:54.39 | Corrodias | seen 83 times |
| 08:01.04 | Corrodias | what about yours? |
| 08:01.29 | Corrodias | looks like wowhead values it at 7g |
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| 08:07.36 | ZealotOnAStick | not sure, watching SGA on my main machine right now, as my mouse is charging. |
| 08:08.07 | ZealotOnAStick | I'd believe 4g more than 7, but I've been surprised before. |
| 08:08.28 | ZealotOnAStick | Blackhand being an old and populous server tends to have an odd economy. |
| 08:25.29 | Corrodias | i think my right nostril has been gently bleeding for a few days, now |
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| 08:30.33 | Corrodias | i keep getting a little blood out of just the right one every time i blow or pick anything out |
| 08:37.03 | Corrodias | hmm |
| 08:37.28 | Corrodias | looks like the drop rate of netherweb silk from certain spiders is about equal to the skinning rate of fel hide from the things i'd farm for it |
| 08:38.11 | Corrodias | the spiders can drop Dreadfang Venom Sac, which will stack up to 200 and each sells for 15s. they also commonly drop 2 other items that are very cheap and only stack to 5, so that would be rather annoying. |
| 08:39.18 | Corrodias | warp chasers drop a lot of Vorpal Claws (stacks to 20, sells for 11s) and some Needle Fangs (stacks to 5, sells for 13s) |
| 08:40.16 | Corrodias | so if i farm the spiders and discard everything but the venom sacs... well, i wouldn't make as much gold during the farming, but i could make twice as much selling the mats |
| 08:40.31 | Corrodias | if they sold |
| 08:43.01 | Corrodias | after that i'm talking about gold farming |
| 08:43.23 | Corrodias | you read all the bad stuff and skipped the WoW related stuff |
| 08:46.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | lay off the cocaine corr :p |
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| 08:49.49 | Corrodias | just trying to determine the most efficient way to do this farming for gold |
| 08:50.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | play the auction house |
| 08:50.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | you're at like, 4000g right? |
| 08:50.58 | Corrodias | about 5000g across all characters, 4900 immediately accessible |
| 08:52.40 | Corrodias | but for example, with the clefthoof leather, what i saw was a ton of if on the AH today only 2g below what i normally sell it for |
| 08:52.49 | Corrodias | apparently, nobody wants the stuff now |
| 08:53.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | check your pm's corr |
| 08:53.42 | Corrodias | i'm reading |
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| 09:07.53 | Nom- | hmmm |
| 09:08.00 | Nom- | Is KLTM on WoWI somewhere ? |
| 09:08.02 | Nom- | I can't find it :/ |
| 09:09.22 | Corrodias | search curse-gaming for "klhthreatmeter" |
| 09:09.30 | Corrodias | if we're thinking of the same thing |
| 09:09.41 | Corrodias | otherwise, i don't know what kltm is |
| 09:09.52 | Nom- | yeah that's it |
| 09:09.57 | Nom- | Not on wowi i'm guessing? :/ |
| 09:10.54 | Corrodias | haven't checked. i have no idea. |
| 09:11.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://wow-en.curse-gaming.com/files/details/4204/klhthreatmeter/ |
| 09:11.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | not wowi but there ya go |
| 09:13.02 | Nom- | It appears that PerfectRaid hasn't been updated at all since my last download :`( |
| 09:13.23 | Corrodias | nope |
| 09:13.34 | Corrodias | no debuff highlighting, although i'm sure it's just around the corner. probably already finished. |
| 09:19.43 | ckknight | I need someone to give me a southern name for an elaborate scam I'm planning |
| 09:21.50 | Corrodias | i hate the southern usa |
| 09:22.02 | ckknight | woo, America! |
| 09:22.05 | Corrodias | can it be more southern than that? brazilian? |
| 09:22.24 | ckknight | no, I want to do something stereotypical and offensive |
| 09:22.32 | ckknight | I was thinking a two-part name |
| 09:22.40 | ckknight | like Ricky Bobby or Billy Bob, only not those |
| 09:22.47 | Corrodias | dirty sanchez |
| 09:22.55 | ckknight | it has to sound real |
| 09:23.13 | Corrodias | a dirty sanchez is about as real as it gets |
| 09:23.35 | SunTiger | Jethro sanchez |
| 09:23.39 | SunTiger | could work. |
| 09:23.53 | ckknight | not Mexican. |
| 09:24.06 | Corrodias | Billy Walker |
| 09:24.17 | Corrodias | Louisiana Ranger *smirk* |
| 09:32.34 | Stephmw | mornin' |
| 09:38.02 | SunTiger | texas and friends ? |
| 09:43.35 | Corrodias | i'm going to bed. 'ni. |
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| 10:01.29 | Cassius | godd morning |
| 10:02.44 | Cassius | can I |
| 10:02.51 | Cassius | ask something?? |
| 10:03.01 | Cassius | sorry for my english i'm italian |
| 10:03.46 | krka | dont ask if you can ask. just ask it |
| 10:04.54 | SunTiger | indee |
| 10:05.17 | SunTiger | s\dee\deed\ |
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| 12:24.17 | Nom- | how do you move ora2's mt frame? :/ |
| 12:24.44 | subbawt | hold alt and drag |
| 12:31.56 | sysrage | ora2 ftw |
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| 12:34.10 | JoshBork1 | you don't :-P |
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| 12:47.03 | sysrage | yes you do. alt-drag works, like subbawt said |
| 12:48.03 | JoshBork1 | i know, i was just kidding |
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| 13:00.41 | sysrage | i don't think you were! |
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| 14:47.37 | Lej | how would I determine if a number is an integer or float? |
| 14:47.48 | krka | math.floor(n) == n |
| 14:48.00 | Lej | right, thanks |
| 14:48.11 | krka | or: |
| 14:48.15 | krka | (n%1)=0 |
| 14:48.29 | krka | err, should be (n%1)==0 |
| 14:49.10 | Lej | % is modulus? |
| 14:49.15 | krka | yes |
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| 15:29.28 | Antiarc|Wor1 | floor will be faster than mod, I believe |
| 15:29.43 | Antiarc|Wor1 | Also, sup 45-minuteold conversations |
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| 15:53.57 | kaso | To contiune the theme of widely streched out conversions, why Antiarc|Wor1 im surely a couple lookups and a function call will be slower |
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| 15:55.46 | Industrial | What's the frame called that displays text on your screen like "You dont have enough power" or rather the function to output a message like that? |
| 15:55.52 | Shirik|zZz | UIErrorsFrame |
| 15:56.07 | Industrial | k |
| 15:56.09 | Shirik|zZz | and UIErrorsFrame:AddMessage() |
| 15:56.10 | Shirik|zZz | respectively |
| 15:56.15 | Industrial | thanks :D |
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| 16:57.20 | cogwheel|work | Heh... weird out-of-office reply: I will be out of the office starting 03/02/2007 and will not return until 01/03/2010. |
| 16:57.25 | cogwheel|work | I am no longer employed at **CENSORED**. |
| 16:57.51 | Shirik|zZz | ha |
| 16:59.22 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 17:05.11 | KaoS` | ?? |
| 17:12.28 | TC_Working | i wish i got replys like that, it would mean less stupid ppl |
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| 17:17.09 | cogwheel|work | ~emulate cogwheel |
| 17:17.23 | purl | ACTION shakes its fist at the forums... http://ctscreens.net/5307 |
| 17:17.26 | cogwheel|work | guess their maintenance didn't work out so well... |
| 17:18.36 | Shirik | ~emulate purl |
| 17:18.45 | purl | ACTION tries to look like herself. |
| 17:18.45 | Shirik | :( |
| 17:18.52 | Shirik | purl's slow |
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| 17:30.46 | Esamynn | why do you say she isn't allowed to join #lua? |
| 17:30.54 | cogwheel|work | purl, join #lua |
| 17:31.13 | cogwheel|work | gives me a pm "I am not allowed to join #lua" |
| 17:31.22 | Esamynn | ~literal join |
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| 17:33.37 | krka | oh please god don't contaminate #lua with purl |
| 17:34.05 | Esamynn | lol |
| 17:34.41 | Esamynn | perhaps channels need to be on a list before purl is allowed to join them |
| 17:34.50 | cogwheel|work | Cide: I was thinking about your lua bot a bit... Do you think you could make a print function that stores its "output" in a buffer and then output that buffer if nothing is returned by the script? It would make some example code snippets a bit clearer and easier to write... |
| 17:36.49 | sysrage | it'd make flooding him out easier too :) :) |
| 17:37.08 | cogwheel|work | nah... he's smarter than that... |
| 17:37.11 | sysrage | heh |
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| 17:47.58 | Cide | cogwheel|work: probably |
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| 17:49.59 | kergoth | cogwheel|work: you wont have rights on purl to make it join a channel, i'd say. |
| 17:50.10 | kergoth | likely only tim does |
| 17:50.14 | cogwheel|work | ah |
| 17:50.33 | cogwheel|work | wtb working forums... |
| 17:52.39 | Cide | >>> print 1, 2, 3 |
| 17:52.39 | Cide | Cide: false true |
| 17:52.43 | Cide | interesting... |
| 17:52.48 | Cide | >>> print(1, 2, 3) |
| 17:52.48 | Cide | Cide: false true |
| 17:54.19 | Cide | >>> print(1, 2, 3) |
| 17:54.19 | Cide | Cide: 1 2 3 |
| 17:54.30 | Cide | >>> print(1) print(2) print(3) |
| 17:54.31 | Cide | Cide: 1 2 3 |
| 17:54.32 | cogwheel|work | >>> print(1, 2, 3) return 4 |
| 17:54.33 | Cide | cogwheel|work: 4 |
| 17:54.44 | cogwheel|work | print(print) |
| 17:54.47 | cogwheel|work | >>> print(print) |
| 17:54.47 | Cide | cogwheel|work: function: 0016AEF8 |
| 17:55.06 | Elkano | >>> print(1,2) |
| 17:55.07 | Cide | Elkano: 1 2 |
| 17:55.20 | Elkano | >>> print(1,2,3) |
| 17:55.20 | Cide | Elkano: 1 2 3 |
| 17:55.30 | cogwheel|work | >>> for i=1,3 do print(i) end |
| 17:55.30 | Cide | cogwheel|work: 1 2 3 |
| 17:55.53 | Cide | >>> function f(i) print(i); if i < 100 then f(i+1); end end f(1) |
| 17:55.54 | Cide | Cide: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 |
| 17:56.12 | kaso | hmm interesting |
| 17:56.48 | cogwheel|work | Cide: did you protect against: i = 1 while true do print(i) i=i+1 end (didn't want to test out of the blue :P) |
| 17:57.04 | Cide | >>> i = 1 while true do print(i) i = i + 1 end |
| 17:57.08 | Cide | Cide: maximum execution time (5s) exceeded |
| 17:57.17 | cogwheel|work | that works :) |
| 17:57.24 | Cide | I was fairly certain I did :) |
| 17:57.31 | cogwheel|work | >>> for i=1,1000 do print(i) end |
| 17:57.32 | Cide | cogwheel|work: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 |
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| 17:57.54 | cogwheel|work | what's your character limit set to? |
| 17:58.03 | Cide | 200 (arbitrarily suggested by shirik) |
| 17:58.46 | Cide | >>> function f(i) print(i); if i < 100 then f(i+1); end end f(1) |
| 17:58.46 | Cide | Cide: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24... (exceeded 200 characters) |
| 17:59.19 | [Ammo] | did you protect against fopen kinda things? |
| 17:59.48 | Cide | io and os are not exposed |
| 17:59.48 | cogwheel|work | [Ammo]: couple days behind :P |
| 17:59.53 | [Ammo] | hehe |
| 17:59.54 | [Ammo] | ok |
| 18:00.18 | cogwheel|work | >>> for k in pairs(_G) do print(k) end |
| 18:00.18 | Cide | cogwheel|work: "log" "wow" "tostring" "gcinfo" "gmatch" "format" "getfenv" "frexp" "pairs" "max" "assert" "tonumber" "load" "atan" ... (exceeded 200 characters) |
| 18:00.18 | Cide | cogwheel|work: do you have any ideas on printing non-returned values? |
| 18:00.37 | Cide | e.g. >>> true returns true |
| 18:01.00 | cogwheel|work | hmmm.... |
| 18:01.18 | kaso | >>> for i=1,100 do return "\12"..i |
| 18:01.18 | Cide | kaso: attempt to call a nil value |
| 18:01.24 | kaso | >>> for i=1,100 do return "\12"..i end |
| 18:01.25 | Cide | kaso: "1" |
| 18:01.36 | kaso | oh ofc |
| 18:01.36 | kaso | duh |
| 18:02.05 | kaso | >>> s = "" for i=1,100 do s=s.."\10"..i return s |
| 18:02.05 | cogwheel|work | try doing a dostring("_ = "..input) and see if it errors? |
| 18:02.05 | Cide | kaso: attempt to call a nil value |
| 18:02.10 | kaso | >>> s = "" for i=1,100 do s=s.."\10"..i end return s |
| 18:02.11 | Cide | kaso: "\n1\n2\n3\n4\n5\n6\n7\n8\n9\n10\n11\n12\n13\n14\n15\n16\n17\n18\n19\n20\n21\n22\n23\n24\n25\n26\n27\n28\n29\n30\n31\n32\n33\n34\n35\n36\n37\n38\n39\n40\n41\n42\n43\n44\n45\n46\n47\n48\n49\n50\n51\n52... (exceeded 200 characters) |
| 18:02.26 | kaso | :< i want proper newlines! |
| 18:02.37 | Cide | yeah.. no :) |
| 18:02.45 | Cide | >>> for k in pairs(_G) do print(k) end |
| 18:02.45 | Cide | Cide: "log" "wow" "tostring" "gcinfo" "gmatch" "format" "getfenv" "frexp" "pairs" "max" "assert" "tonumber" "load" "atan"... (exceeded 200 characters) |
| 18:02.54 | cogwheel|work | Maybe change the print separator from spaces to tabs since they take fewer chars? |
| 18:03.11 | Cide | are tabs displayed in irc for most people? |
| 18:03.16 | Cide | I can drop the number of spaces |
| 18:03.17 | cogwheel|work | no idea .... |
| 18:03.32 | Cide | >>> for k in pairs(_G) do print(k) end |
| 18:03.32 | Cide | Cide: "log" "wow" "tostring" "gcinfo" "gmatch" "format" "getfenv" "frexp" "pairs" "max" "assert" "tonumber" "load" "atan" "_G" "foreach" "tan" "cos" "co... (exceeded 200 characters) |
| 18:03.38 | kaso | >>> return "hi\9thi" |
| 18:03.39 | Cide | kaso: "hithi" |
| 18:03.50 | cogwheel|work | looks fine to me |
| 18:04.06 | cogwheel|work | >>> print "1\t2\t3\t4" |
| 18:04.06 | Cide | cogwheel|work: "1234" |
| 18:04.24 | Cide | displays as spaces here |
| 18:04.29 | kaso | me too |
| 18:04.32 | Cide | (a single space) |
| 18:04.50 | haste | displayed as a I with a white background here |
| 18:04.57 | haste | the again, I'm not in X or anything right now |
| 18:05.04 | cogwheel|work | well, since you're enclosing strings in quotes, it's hardly ambiguous... |
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| 18:05.25 | kaso | whats wrong with comma seperated values for print() |
| 18:05.35 | cogwheel|work | maybe just 2 spaces? |
| 18:05.38 | Cide | I could return them in list style if you want |
| 18:05.58 | cogwheel|work | commas sound fine |
| 18:06.45 | kaso | you know it never occured to me that _G is an entry in _G but it makes perfect sense |
| 18:07.15 | Cide | >>> for k in pairs(_G) do print(k) end |
| 18:07.16 | Cide | Cide: "log", "wow", "tostring", "gcinfo", "gmatch", "format", "getfenv", "frexp", "pairs", "max", "assert", "tonumber", "load", "atan", "_G", "foreach", "tan", "cos", "coroutine", "ceil",... (exceeded 200 characters) |
| 18:07.25 | kaso | return _G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G_G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._VERSION |
| 18:07.33 | kaso | >>> return _G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G_G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._VERSION |
| 18:07.33 | Cide | kaso: [string "return _G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G...."]:1: attempt to index field '_G_G' (a nil value) |
| 18:07.47 | kaso | missed a dot >.< |
| 18:07.48 | Kirkburn|afk | What is this, Speak Like a Nerd Day? |
| 18:07.50 | Cide | >>> return 1, 2, 3 |
| 18:07.50 | Cide | Cide: 1, 2, 3 |
| 18:07.57 | Cide | >>> return { }, { }, { } |
| 18:07.57 | Cide | Cide: table: 009AB420, table: 009AB4C0, table: 009AB4E8 |
| 18:08.01 | Cide | Kirkburn|afk: yep :) |
| 18:08.17 | kaso | >>> return _G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._VERSION |
| 18:08.17 | Cide | kaso: "Lua 5.1" |
| 18:08.19 | kaso | woot! |
| 18:08.29 | Kirkburn|afk | Zomg, that's so 1337. |
| 18:09.02 | Kirkburn|afk | Ach, damn I mixed it up with "Speak Like a CS player Day" |
| 18:09.42 | kaso | >>> return "\176\176\176\177\177\177\178\178\178\177\177\177\176\176\176" |
| 18:09.42 | Cide | kaso: "°°°±±±²²²±±±°°°" |
| 18:09.56 | kaso | those arent the charaters i wanted :< |
| 18:09.59 | kaso | got my codes wrong |
| 18:10.05 | Kirkburn|afk | The only equation that works for me ... Hugh Laurie > You |
| 18:10.42 | kaso | Hugh Laurie is pretty awesome |
| 18:11.11 | kaso | >>> you =1 huge_laurie=10 return (hugh_laurie > you) |
| 18:11.11 | Cide | kaso: [string "you =1 huge_laurie=10 return (hugh_laurie >..."]:1: attempt to compare number with nil |
| 18:11.27 | kaso | huge |
| 18:11.29 | kaso | hah |
| 18:11.29 | Kirkburn|afk | I noticed House likes Spongebob Squarepants, Monster Truck Jam, some power drilling thing and ... Blackadder :D |
| 18:11.30 | Shadowed | Do we have a specific event thats fired when the green targeting circle is visible? Or am I going to have to make a manual list |
| 18:11.43 | Cide | >>> return "hi" |
| 18:11.44 | Cide | Cide: [string "you =1 huge_laurie=10 return (hugh_laurie >..."]:1: attempt to compare number with nil |
| 18:11.48 | Cide | bah |
| 18:11.55 | Cide | where'd I mess up now? |
| 18:11.59 | kaso | Shadowed, circle? |
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| 18:12.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | who couldn't like something named monster truck jam |
| 18:12.15 | Shadowed | kaso: The one that shows up when you press abilities like Grenades, Distract, ect |
| 18:12.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | a communist, that's who. |
| 18:12.25 | kaso | oh |
| 18:12.39 | kaso | you can check if the cursor is targetting i think but that doesnt specifie aoe targetting |
| 18:13.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | okay i've gotta get up in 7 hours to take the next regiment of my antibiotics |
| 18:13.26 | Shadowed | yeah need to figure out if it's aoe specific targetting, someone wants me to disable clicking of nameplates when it's active |
| 18:13.29 | Kirkburn|afk | You know what I want? "Use capitals properly in sentences day" :P |
| 18:13.47 | Kirkburn|afk | Mr_Rabies2, ah so they finally realised you had rabies? |
| 18:13.51 | Mortius | Hey all. I just wanted to confirm that without constant polling, there is no way to keep "target of target" updated? Since there is no event to handle target_of_target changes? |
| 18:13.57 | Shadowed | CaPiTaL's ArE oVeRaTeD |
| 18:13.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't bother on IRC, but on SA and stuff definitely |
| 18:14.00 | Kirkburn|afk | I thought the name should have given it away years ago ... |
| 18:14.04 | Shadowed | very hard to type like that! |
| 18:14.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | Kirkburn|afk, nasty cavity |
| 18:14.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | among other things |
| 18:14.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | :[ |
| 18:14.22 | Kirkburn|afk | Ow |
| 18:14.26 | Cide | >>> return "hi" |
| 18:14.26 | Cide | Cide: [string "you =1 huge_laurie=10 return (hugh_laurie >..."]:1: attempt to compare number with nil |
| 18:14.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | actually it doesn't hurt much |
| 18:14.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | at all |
| 18:14.36 | Kirkburn|afk | Where did the vampire bite you? |
| 18:14.40 | Cide | >>> return "hi" |
| 18:14.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | but it is taking up half of my tooth pretty much |
| 18:14.52 | Cide | >>> return "hi" |
| 18:14.53 | Cide | Cide: "hi" |
| 18:14.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | the dentist said if i bite into anything hard it's liekly gonna break and PAIN |
| 18:15.14 | cogwheel|work | >>> "hi" |
| 18:15.15 | Cide | cogwheel|work: attempt to call a nil value |
| 18:15.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | so i get to eat with the left side of my mouth exclusively for a couple weeks |
| 18:15.35 | Cide | "hi" |
| 18:15.35 | Kirkburn|afk | heh, sounds like fun :) |
| 18:15.39 | Cide | >>> "hi" |
| 18:15.39 | Cide | Cide: attempt to call a nil value |
| 18:15.50 | Mortius | I have a wisdom tooth coming in at what my dentist said was a "crazy angle". |
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| 18:15.58 | Kirkburn|afk | Shadowed, What I Really Hate Is People Who Type Like This, It's Even Worse |
| 18:16.10 | Cide | >>> "hi" |
| 18:16.11 | Cide | Cide: attempt to call a nil value |
| 18:16.11 | Shadowed | thats easier to type like at least Kirkburn|afk |
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| 18:16.19 | Kirkburn|afk | I seriously wonder ... why |
| 18:16.23 | Kirkburn|afk | Just ... why? |
| 18:16.28 | kaso | Shadowed, what happens if you do this while targetting a spell; if SpellIsTargeting() then DevTools_Dump(UnitCastingInfo("player")) end |
| 18:16.30 | Kirkburn|afk | How is it even possible to think that it looks right? |
| 18:16.36 | cogwheel|work | nO... tHIS iS wORSE eSPECIALLY iF yOU hAVE tO cORRECT iT fOR dATA eNTRY |
| 18:16.50 | Cide | >>> "hi" |
| 18:16.50 | Cide | Cide: attempt to call a nil value |
| 18:17.03 | Kirkburn|afk | Data entry is fun. Fun like being beaten by several 9" metal pipes. |
| 18:17.25 | Kirkburn|afk | Sadist |
| 18:17.26 | kaso | i think captials confuse the english language too much, we should all type in all lowercase from now on. |
| 18:17.42 | Kirkburn|afk | No. |
| 18:17.45 | cogwheel|work | no |
| 18:17.50 | cogwheel|work | we should use lojban |
| 18:18.02 | Mortius | WE SHOULD TYPE IN ALL CAPS. MUCH EASIER TO READ. |
| 18:18.14 | Shadowed | kaso: SpellIsTargeting returns 1, UnitCastingInfo returns nothing |
| 18:18.31 | kaso | perhapsItsJustSpacesThatAreConfusingThingsAndWeShouldTypeEveryThingLikeAMethodName |
| 18:18.31 | Shadowed | same with UnitChannelInfo |
| 18:18.41 | kaso | sucky |
| 18:18.43 | kaso | no idea |
| 18:18.46 | Shadowed | GetCursorInfo() always returns nil |
| 18:18.48 | Mortius | well_a_method_name_with_underscores |
| 18:19.15 | Mortius | Mortius.head = hurts. |
| 18:19.20 | kaso | GLOBAL_VARIABLE_ARE_THE_BEST |
| 18:19.33 | kaso | OR_CONSTANTS_I_SHOULD_SAY |
| 18:19.50 | Mortius | I has a gloabl variable named "table" when I first started. Let me tell you how well all my addon's worked. |
| 18:19.54 | Mortius | had*** |
| 18:20.08 | zenzelezz | poor Lethon |
| 18:20.20 | zenzelezz | he can sense the SHADOW on our hearts, but no-one bothers to kill him |
| 18:20.59 | Shadowed | Guess out of luck kaso :( |
| 18:21.16 | kaso | you could 3 or 4 man lethon. grab some friends and earn like 40g each zenzelezz |
| 18:21.23 | Cide | >>> return "hi" |
| 18:21.23 | Cide | Cide: attempt to call a nil value |
| 18:21.26 | Cide | bah. |
| 18:21.38 | Mortius | Tell me for sure if this is true, from what I've read: There is no way without constant polling to keep your target of target updated. |
| 18:21.48 | Shadowed | it's true |
| 18:21.51 | kaso | Shadowed you could just maintain a table of all targetable aoe spells an catch the spellcast |
| 18:22.10 | Mortius | Okay. That's too bad. I don't really want to poll every .25 seconds or something. |
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| 18:22.23 | kaso | Shadowed you could just maintain a table of all targetable aoe spells an catch the spellcast |
| 18:22.25 | Shadowed | kaso yeah I really want to avoid doing that though |
| 18:22.33 | kaso | there cant be that many |
| 18:22.50 | Shadowed | I still don't like hardcoding everything in if possible! |
| 18:22.51 | cogwheel|work | Mortius: are you trying to show/hide frames based on unit existence? |
| 18:23.19 | Mortius | At first yes, then keep the ToT updated if your current target switches. |
| 18:23.22 | Kirkburn|afk | Ooh, here's another thing that annoys me - double spaces between sentences |
| 18:23.37 | cogwheel|work | Mortius: if your frames have a "unit" attribute, just do RegisterUnitWatch(frame) |
| 18:23.41 | Mortius | I mean, if your target switches his target. |
| 18:23.42 | cogwheel|work | all done |
| 18:23.46 | Shadowed | first time I was doing battleground timers, I spent about 2 hours trying to figure out why they wouldn't work, was those pesky double spaces :( |
| 18:23.51 | cogwheel|work | oic |
| 18:23.59 | cogwheel|work | yeah, that's a bit more complicated |
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| 18:24.29 | Mortius | Blizzard needs a "Target_of_target_changed" event. |
| 18:24.38 | cogwheel|work | Mortius: they can't do that. |
| 18:24.47 | cogwheel|work | targets are an arbitrary chain |
| 18:24.56 | cogwheel|work | targettarget is just the first extension of that |
| 18:25.14 | Mortius | well there went my hopes :p |
| 18:25.56 | Shadowed | you could do targettargettargettargettargettargettarget if you wanted, it just wont be that fast |
| 18:25.56 | Mortius | lol |
| 18:25.56 | Mortius | Gotcha. |
| 18:26.05 | Cide | hmm, let's see |
| 18:26.08 | clad|sleep | why not just use registerunitwatch() |
| 18:26.10 | Cide | >>> true, 1, 2, 3 |
| 18:26.10 | Cide | Cide: true, 1, 2, 3 |
| 18:26.21 | cogwheel|work | clad|sleep: that works for showing/hiding |
| 18:26.44 | cogwheel|work | but not for updating the frame with new info when a unit simply changes |
| 18:26.45 | clad|sleep | >>> unpack((function() return true,1,2,3 end)()) |
| 18:26.46 | Cide | clad|sleep: [string "unpack((function() return true,1,2,3 end)()..."]:1: bad argument #1 to 'unpack' (table expected, got boolean) |
| 18:26.53 | clad|sleep | oh i suxor =) |
| 18:27.04 | clad|sleep | >>> unpack({(function() return true,1,2,3 end)()}) |
| 18:27.04 | Cide | clad|sleep: |
| 18:27.29 | Cide | hm |
| 18:28.10 | Cide | >>> t = { unpack({(function() return true, 1, 2, 3 end)()}) } for key, value in ipairs(t) do print(value) end |
| 18:28.10 | Cide | Cide: true, 1, 2, 3 |
| 18:28.15 | Cide | weird |
| 18:28.30 | Cide | oh, heh |
| 18:28.45 | cladhaire | So, should I do google summer of code? |
| 18:28.49 | cladhaire | I mean i have a real job and all |
| 18:28.59 | cladhaire | so I'd have to find a creative way to maintain my current level of financesl. |
| 18:29.09 | Kirkburn|afk | Fake jobs are better |
| 18:29.20 | Cide | >>> unpack({(function() return true,1,2,3 end)()}) |
| 18:29.20 | Cide | Cide: true, 1, 2, 3 |
| 18:29.25 | Kirkburn|afk | I have a license to kill y'know |
| 18:29.29 | Mortius | MazzleUI keeps track of your whole partys targets and your ToT and keeps them all updated.. is it polling all that constantly? |
| 18:29.38 | cogwheel|work | >>> return "still works?" |
| 18:29.39 | Cide | cogwheel|work: "still works?" |
| 18:29.50 | cogwheel|work | >>> print "hi" |
| 18:29.50 | Cide | cogwheel|work: "hi" |
| 18:29.59 | cladhaire | Kirkburn|afk: Oh, speaking of that, I may be coming to England with no job, and no money for schooling on a HSMP visa |
| 18:30.16 | Shadowed | Mortius: yes |
| 18:30.32 | cogwheel|work | >>> for k in pairs(_G) do if k:sub(3) == "str" then print(k) end end |
| 18:30.32 | Cide | cogwheel|work: |
| 18:30.34 | Shadowed | all ToT mods do polling, even Blizzards |
| 18:30.44 | Mortius | hmm, doesn't seem to lag me any. Maybe I will do that then. |
| 18:30.48 | cogwheel|work | >>> for k in pairs(_G) do if k:sub(1, 3) == "str" then print(k) end end |
| 18:30.49 | Cide | cogwheel|work: "strupper", "strmatch", "strlen", "string", "strjoin", "strsplit", "strtrim", "strsub", "strchar", "strconcat", "strrev", "strrep", "strlower", "strbyte", "strfind" |
| 18:31.17 | Shadowed | theres worst things you could do then checking ToT's in an OnUpdate |
| 18:31.37 | Mortius | I probably have plenty examples in my code lol |
| 18:31.38 | cogwheel|work | yeah... like x = {} |
| 18:31.57 | Mortius | haha I had table = {} at one point |
| 18:32.10 | Mortius | lets just say about half of my mods when crazy |
| 18:32.16 | Mortius | went* |
| 18:32.58 | cogwheel|work | wereHamster: ping |
| 18:33.59 | Mortius | I made an IRC bot years ago but um, it was in VB using winsock. haha Back when EggDrop bots were the thing on Effnet. |
| 18:34.03 | cogwheel|work | anyone have a link to wereHamster's wine branch? Looks like i'm finally going to have a working linux on my comp soon =D |
| 18:34.31 | Mortius | Efnet even |
| 18:36.19 | Cide | >>> _G |
| 18:36.19 | Cide | Cide: table: 00311170 |
| 18:36.55 | Cide | >>> function t() end |
| 18:36.56 | Cide | Cide: |
| 18:37.04 | Mortius | how often does a frames <OnUpdate> trigger? just anytime that frame gets updated? |
| 18:37.12 | cogwheel|work | every frame that's rendered |
| 18:37.13 | Cide | >>> function t(i) return i end; t(1), t(2), t(3) |
| 18:37.13 | Cide | Cide: attempt to call a nil value |
| 18:37.27 | cogwheel|work | i.e. your fps == OnUpdate/sec |
| 18:37.34 | Mortius | that would be a lot then heh |
| 18:37.53 | Cide | yep |
| 18:38.03 | [Ammo] | the amount of processing can easily be throttled |
| 18:38.17 | cogwheel|work | Mortius: http://www.wowwiki.com/HOWTO:_Use_OnUpdate_Correctly |
| 18:38.21 | [Ammo] | arg1 of onupdate is the time spent since last update :) |
| 18:38.22 | Mortius | Thanks cog. :) |
| 18:38.24 | [Ammo] | and that page is a help yeah |
| 18:38.34 | cogwheel|work | Mortius: and in general: http://www.wowwiki.com/Category:HOWTOs |
| 18:38.59 | Mortius | yeah, I've read most on that page.. apparently skipped the onupdate link haha |
| 18:38.59 | cogwheel|work | and in even more general: http://www.wowwiki.com/Interface_Customization |
| 18:39.31 | Shadowed | Anyone know the function to get the owner of a pet? can't seem to find it in unit functions |
| 18:39.43 | Mortius | yes, the wowwiki is my bible. it's always open to the API and EVENTS pages :) |
| 18:39.45 | cogwheel|work | don't know if that's possible... |
| 18:39.54 | Kirkburn|afk | cladhaire, that doesn't sound too positive |
| 18:40.06 | Shadowed | well it has to be somehow since the tooltip shows it |
| 18:40.08 | Kirkburn|afk | Also, having conversations across 3 channels is fun, no? |
| 18:40.12 | cladhaire | Kirkburn|afk: i said _might_ =) |
| 18:40.18 | cladhaire | ping ping ping =) |
| 18:40.24 | Kirkburn|afk | heh |
| 18:41.06 | cogwheel|work | zomg... my mobo came with linux drivers on the disc... |
| 18:42.59 | Shadowed | guess that means it's time to do tooltip scanning then |
| 18:43.34 | Kirkburn|afk | cladhaire, well I don't think the police will arrest you for walking around Bristol without a job. Half the population is students. Young, nubile students.... ah, sorry, my mind was wandering |
| 18:44.00 | cladhaire | well, i'd have a visa =) |
| 18:44.01 | cladhaire | to find a job |
| 18:44.43 | wereHamster | cogwheel|work, pong |
| 18:45.36 | Kirkburn|afk | There's always plenty of studenty jobs around in Uni cities |
| 18:45.42 | wereHamster | cogwheel|work, git://88.198.20.210/git/wine.git |
| 18:45.58 | cogwheel|work | tyvm :) |
| 18:46.03 | Kirkburn|afk | That's a lot of gits. |
| 18:46.18 | cladhaire | I'm hoping to hear back from Warwick at this point |
| 18:46.22 | cladhaire | i think they're the only one left with money |
| 18:47.08 | Kirkburn|afk | The Civ Eng dept here got £15 million to build an earthquake lab, but couldn't afford to send us on a field trip |
| 18:47.42 | sysrage | would you rather send some kids on an earthquake or cause an earthquake? |
| 18:47.43 | cladhaire | lol |
| 18:47.50 | sysrage | err send some kids on a fieldtrip |
| 18:48.07 | kaso | The concept of an earthquake lab confuses me? is it to measure them? if so what is it doing in england |
| 18:55.24 | Kirkburn|afk | It's amazing what they can do these days |
| 18:55.54 | *** join/#wowi-lounge JoshBorke (n=Josh@r35h14.res.gatech.edu) |
| 18:55.59 | Kirkburn|afk | To think that research can be done in another place and then the result send via a series of little tubes to another place. Crazy! |
| 18:56.28 | Kirkburn|afk | sysrage, I liked the idea of sending students on an earthquake |
| 18:56.34 | Kirkburn|afk | Sounds cool :D |
| 19:04.00 | Cide | >>> { 1, 2, 3, a = true, b = { }, { 1, 2, 3 } } |
| 19:04.00 | Cide | Cide: { 1, 2, 3, { 1, 2, 3 } (#2), ["a"] = true, ["b"] = { } (#3) } (#1) |
| 19:04.13 | Cide | >>> _G |
| 19:04.13 | Cide | Cide: { ["log"] = function: 00959E48, ["wow"] = { ["strconcat"] = function: 0095AA58, ["strtrim"] = function: 0095A9B8, ["debugstack"] = function: 0095AAB8, ["getglobal"] = function: 0095AA78, ["setglobal"]... (exceeded 200 characters) |
| 19:04.16 | Lysistrata | kaso I think the lab is used to invent new earthquake prediction methods and sensors and stuff |
| 19:06.29 | cogwheel|work | >>> a = {} b={a} a[1] = b return a |
| 19:06.29 | Cide | cogwheel|work: { { <table: #1> } (#2) } (#1) |
| 19:06.59 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Parak (i=PROFI@user-10874ap.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 19:07.11 | Cide | kinda rough table representation but meh! |
| 19:07.29 | cogwheel|work | >>> wow |
| 19:07.30 | Cide | cogwheel|work: { ["strconcat"] = function: 0097AA58, ["strtrim"] = function: 0097A9B8, ["debugstack"] = function: 0097AAB8, ["getglobal"] = function: 0097AA78, ["setglobal"] = function: 0097AA98, ["strjoin"] = funct... (exceeded 200 characters) |
| 19:07.51 | Cide | >>> { 1, [3] = 3, [5] = 5 } |
| 19:07.52 | Cide | Cide: { 1, [3] = 3, [5] = 5 } (#1) |
| 19:08.11 | Cide | >>> { 1, 2, 3, [3] = 3, [5] = 5, "a", "b" } |
| 19:08.11 | Cide | Cide: { 1, 2, 3, "a", "b" } (#1) |
| 19:08.14 | Shadowed | Someone know an addon that does basic tooltip scanning? Not sure where to start really |
| 19:08.15 | kaso | Cide you should use ansi codes to color the different datatypes so they stand out :> |
| 19:08.22 | Cide | >>> { 1, 2, 3, [10] = 3, [15] = 5, "a", "b" } |
| 19:08.23 | Cide | Cide: { 1, 2, 3, "a", "b", [10] = 3, [15] = 5 } (#1) |
| 19:08.56 | Cide | since I'm lazy, give me the codes and I might |
| 19:13.07 | kaso | colors={white="00",black="01",blue="02",green="03",red="05",purple="06",brown="07",yellow="08"} |
| 19:13.07 | kaso | print("\3"..colors[color]..text.."\3"..colors[color]) |
| 19:13.12 | kaso | i think thats right |
| 19:13.39 | Cide | try it :) |
| 19:13.47 | Cide | >>> colors={white="00",black="01",blue="02",green="03",red="05",purple="06",brown="07",yellow="08"} print("\3"..colors[color]..text.."\3"..colors[color]) |
| 19:13.47 | Cide | Cide: [string "colors={white="00",black="01",blue="02",gre..."]:1: attempt to concatenate field '?' (a nil value) |
| 19:13.57 | sysrage | \302weeee |
| 19:14.01 | Cide | >>> colors={white="00",black="01",blue="02",green="03",red="05",purple="06",brown="07",yellow="08"} local color = "red" print("\3"..colors[color]..text.."\3"..colors[color]) |
| 19:14.01 | Cide | Cide: [string "colors={white="00",black="01",blue="02",gre..."]:1: attempt to concatenate global 'text' (a nil value) |
| 19:14.14 | Cide | >>> colors={white="00",black="01",blue="02",green="03",red="05",purple="06",brown="07",yellow="08"} local color, text = "red", "mooofooo" print("\3"..colors[color]..text.."\3"..colors[color]) |
| 19:14.14 | Cide | Cide: "05mooofooo05" |
| 19:14.15 | JoshBorke | >>> colors={white="00",black="01",blue="02",green="03",red="05",purple="06",brown="07",yellow="08"} local color = "red" print("\3"..colors[color].."Cide loses".."\3"..colors[color]) |
| 19:14.15 | Cide | JoshBorke: "05Cide loses05" |
| 19:14.25 | kaso | woop |
| 19:14.26 | Cide | I win :) |
| 19:14.32 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 19:14.46 | Kirkburn|afk | Are you playing code chess or summat? |
| 19:14.53 | Cide | I'm playing lua bot |
| 19:15.03 | JoshBorke | >>> colors={white="00",black="01",blue="02",green="03",red="05",purple="06",brown="07",yellow="08"} local color = "red" print("\3"..colors[random(1,8)]..text.."\3"..colors[random(1,8)]) |
| 19:15.04 | Cide | JoshBorke: [string "colors={white="00",black="01",blue="02",gre..."]:1: attempt to concatenate field '?' (a nil value) |
| 19:15.21 | JoshBorke | >>> math.random(5) |
| 19:15.22 | Cide | JoshBorke: 3 |
| 19:15.37 | kaso | woop |
| 19:15.40 | JoshBorke | >>> colors={white="00",black="01",blue="02",green="03",red="05",purple="06",brown="07",yellow="08"} local color = "red" print("\3"..colors[math.random(1,8)]..text.."\3"..colors[math.random(1,8)]) |
| 19:15.40 | Cide | JoshBorke: [string "colors={white="00",black="01",blue="02",gre..."]:1: attempt to concatenate field '?' (a nil value) |
| 19:15.44 | kaso | >>> math.random(5) |
| 19:15.44 | Cide | kaso: 3 |
| 19:15.46 | kaso | >>> math.random(5) |
| 19:15.46 | Cide | kaso: 3 |
| 19:15.50 | kergoth | Cide: i have lua laying around that emits terminal escape codes from wow color sequences.. you could do that but to ansi :) |
| 19:15.51 | JoshBorke | oh wait, yea |
| 19:15.55 | kaso | you should re-write math.random cide |
| 19:16.03 | kaso | so it has a randomseed in it |
| 19:16.07 | Cide | I just did |
| 19:16.12 | Cide | >>> math.random() |
| 19:16.12 | Cide | Cide: 0.13425092318491 |
| 19:16.12 | haste | random = function() return 5 end |
| 19:16.12 | Cide | >>> math.random() |
| 19:16.13 | Cide | Cide: 0.13425092318491 |
| 19:16.15 | Cide | or not |
| 19:16.21 | kaso | You're quick |
| 19:16.30 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 19:16.35 | JoshBorke | >>> math.random() |
| 19:16.36 | Cide | JoshBorke: 0.0066225165562914 |
| 19:16.43 | JoshBorke | >>> math.random() |
| 19:16.44 | Cide | JoshBorke: 0.63075655384991 |
| 19:16.47 | kaso | yay |
| 19:16.56 | JoshBorke | that was quick |
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| 19:18.21 | Cide | >>> math.random() |
| 19:18.21 | Cide | Cide: 0.23557237464522 |
| 19:18.22 | Cide | >>> math.random() |
| 19:18.22 | Cide | Cide: 0.23557237464522 |
| 19:18.24 | Cide | >>> math.random() |
| 19:18.24 | Cide | Cide: 0.23557237464522 |
| 19:18.26 | Cide | grr |
| 19:18.36 | JoshBorke | >>> math.random() |
| 19:18.37 | Cide | JoshBorke: 0.23557237464522 |
| 19:18.43 | JoshBorke | he broke it again |
| 19:18.47 | Kirkburn|afk | Wow, that's certainly defy the laws of probability |
| 19:18.51 | Kirkburn|afk | *defying |
| 19:19.00 | JoshBorke | you try kirk |
| 19:19.12 | Cide | >>> math.random() |
| 19:19.12 | Cide | Cide: 0.17700735496078 |
| 19:19.13 | Cide | >>> math.random() |
| 19:19.13 | Cide | Cide: 0.50505081331828 |
| 19:19.15 | Kirkburn|afk | >>> math.reallyrandomhonestguv() |
| 19:19.16 | Cide | Kirkburn|afk: [string "math.reallyrandomhonestguv()"]:1: attempt to call field 'reallyrandomhonestguv' (a nil value) |
| 19:19.17 | Cide | there we go |
| 19:19.28 | kaso | >>> math.random() |
| 19:19.28 | Cide | kaso: 0.42527542954802 |
| 19:19.29 | kaso | >>> math.random() |
| 19:19.30 | Cide | kaso: 0.081301309244057 |
| 19:19.33 | kaso | good good |
| 19:19.43 | cogwheel|work | >>> math.random(10) |
| 19:19.44 | Cide | cogwheel|work: 4 |
| 19:19.49 | cogwheel|work | >>> math.random(10) |
| 19:19.49 | Cide | cogwheel|work: 4 |
| 19:19.49 | cogwheel|work | >>> math.random(10) |
| 19:19.49 | Cide | cogwheel|work: 7 |
| 19:19.50 | cogwheel|work | >>> math.random(10) |
| 19:19.50 | Cide | cogwheel|work: 7 |
| 19:19.51 | Kirkburn|afk | >>> ShouldIStayOrShouldIGo?() |
| 19:19.52 | Cide | Kirkburn|afk: attempt to call a nil value |
| 19:19.54 | cogwheel|work | haha |
| 19:20.01 | Cide | I hope that's just random being random... |
| 19:20.05 | cogwheel|work | that looks rather suspicious |
| 19:20.07 | JoshBorke | >>> IfIGoThereWillBeTrouble() |
| 19:20.07 | Cide | JoshBorke: [string "IfIGoThereWillBeTrouble()"]:1: attempt to call global 'IfIGoThereWillBeTrouble' (a nil value) |
| 19:20.24 | Cide | >>> for i = 1, 10, 1 do print(math.random) end |
| 19:20.24 | Cide | Cide: function: 00029FC8, function: 00029FC8, function: 00029FC8, function: 00029FC8, function: 00029FC8, function: 00029FC8, function: 00029FC8, function: 00029FC8, function: 00029FC8, function: 0... (exceeded 200 characters) |
| 19:20.25 | Cide | >>> for i = 1, 10, 1 do print(math.random) end |
| 19:20.25 | Cide | Cide: function: 00279FC8, function: 00279FC8, function: 00279FC8, function: 00279FC8, function: 00279FC8, function: 00279FC8, function: 00279FC8, function: 00279FC8, function: 00279FC8, function: 0... (exceeded 200 characters) |
| 19:20.29 | Cide | err |
| 19:20.29 | cogwheel|work | is it because they were less than a second apart? |
| 19:20.31 | Cide | >>> for i = 1, 10, 1 do print(math.random()) end |
| 19:20.31 | Cide | Cide: 0.63481551561022, 0.090212714011048, 0.58742027039399, 0.93682668538469, 0.57234412671285, 0.4949797051912, 0.098330637531663, 0.097628711813715, 0.4016541032136, 0.89382610553301 |
| 19:20.34 | Cide | >>> for i = 1, 10, 1 do print(math.random()) end |
| 19:20.36 | Cide | Cide: 0.63512070070498, 0.074282052064577, 0.22290719321268, 0.1398663289285, 0.51664784691916, 0.85448774681845, 0.38328196050905, 0.82964568010498, 0.91335795159764, 0.33091219824824 |
| 19:20.39 | Cide | >>> for i = 1, 10, 1 do print(math.random()) end |
| 19:20.41 | Cide | Cide: 0.63524277474288, 0.40229499191259, 0.76812036500137, 0.87423322244942, 0.83144627216407, 0.97433393353069, 0.47828608050783, 0.74031800286874, 0.41724906155583, 0.14328440198981 |
| 19:20.48 | Cide | I dunno |
| 19:20.55 | Cide | I'm seeding it with (os.time()+os.clock()) |
| 19:21.01 | cogwheel|work | oh |
| 19:21.40 | Kirkburn|afk | Btw, can I say thank you for making my chat log for this month so much longer? :) |
| 19:21.40 | Elkano | >>> x = 0 for i = 1, 100 do x=x+math.random() end print x/100 |
| 19:21.41 | Cide | Elkano: attempt to call a nil value |
| 19:22.06 | cogwheel|work | Elkano: print(x/100) |
| 19:22.07 | Cide | ah, heh... os.clock() returns the amount of time the interpreter session has been open? |
| 19:22.11 | Elkano | >>> x = 0 for i = 1, 100 do x=x+math.random() end print(x/100) |
| 19:22.12 | Cide | Elkano: 0.52546250801111 |
| 19:22.14 | JoshBorke | >>> x =0 for i=1,100,1 do x = x+math.random() end print(x/100) |
| 19:22.15 | Cide | >>> reload lua.py |
| 19:22.15 | Cide | Cide: attempt to call a nil value |
| 19:22.15 | Cide | JoshBorke: 0.52595171971801 |
| 19:22.21 | Cide | err |
| 19:22.22 | Elkano | >>> x = 0 for i = 1, 1000 do x=x+math.random() end print(x/1000) |
| 19:22.23 | Cide | Elkano: 0.48854890591144 |
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| 19:22.35 | Cide | Kirkburn|afk: yep :) no problem |
| 19:22.40 | Elkano | >>> x = 0 for i = 1, 2500 do x=x+math.random() end print(x/1000) |
| 19:22.40 | Cide | Elkano: 1.2430648823511 |
| 19:23.09 | Elkano | >>> x = 0 for i = 1, 5000 do x=x+math.random() end print(x/5000) |
| 19:23.09 | Cide | Elkano: 0.50165018463698 |
| 19:23.37 | Kirkburn|afk | Oh, awesome, my logs aren't split by month |
| 19:23.39 | Cide | >>> local lim, x = 1000000, 0 for i = 1, lim do x = x+math.random() end print(x/lim) |
| 19:23.40 | Cide | Cide: 0.50008533256021 |
| 19:24.16 | Kirkburn|afk | My wowi file is now 21MB |
| 19:24.39 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Cairenn (n=Cairenn@MMOI/Administratrix/Cairenn) |
| 19:24.39 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+o Cairenn] by ChanServ |
| 19:24.45 | JoshBorke | >>> fib = setmetatable({[0] = 0, [1] = 1}, { __index = function(self, n) local value = self[n-2] + self[n-1]; self[n] = value; return value end }) fib[300] |
| 19:24.45 | Cide | JoshBorke: attempt to call a nil value |
| 19:25.00 | JoshBorke | >>> fib = setmetatable({[0] = 0, [1] = 1}, { __index = function(self, n) local value = self[n-2] + self[n-1]; self[n] = value; return value end }) |
| 19:25.00 | Cide | JoshBorke: |
| 19:25.03 | Elkano | I used to have almost 200mb of compressed irc logfiles from 2 years ^^' |
| 19:25.13 | JoshBorke | >>> fib = setmetatable({[0] = 0, [1] = 1}, { __index = function(self, n) local value = self[n-2] + self[n-1]; self[n] = value; return value end }) print(fib[300]) |
| 19:25.13 | Cide | JoshBorke: 2.2223224462942e+062 |
| 19:25.22 | JoshBorke | >>> fib = setmetatable({[0] = 0, [1] = 1}, { __index = function(self, n) local value = self[n-2] + self[n-1]; self[n] = value; return value end }) print(fib[3000]) |
| 19:25.23 | Cide | JoshBorke: [string "fib = setmetatable({[0] = 0, [1] = 1}, { __..."]:1: C stack overflow |
| 19:25.27 | JoshBorke | :-( |
| 19:25.38 | Cide | >>> fib = setmetatable({[0] = 0, [1] = 1}, { __index = function(self, n) local value = self[n-2] + self[n-1]; self[n] = value; return value end }) return fib |
| 19:25.38 | Cide | Cide: { 1, [0] = 0 } (#1) |
| 19:25.44 | Cide | err... |
| 19:26.00 | Cide | >>> fib = setmetatable({[0] = 0, [1] = 1}, { __index = function(self, n) local value = self[n-2] + self[n-1]; self[n] = value; return value end }) for i = 1, 20, 1 do print(fib[i]) end |
| 19:26.00 | Cide | Cide: 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34, 55, 89, 144, 233, 377, 610, 987, 1597, 2584, 4181, 6765 |
| 19:27.16 | Elkano | this fib function is so cool since it's its own cache ^^ |
| 19:29.02 | JoshBorke | i <3 metatables |
| 19:29.04 | cogwheel|work | sentences like that make my cry for people trying to learn english |
| 19:29.13 | JoshBorke | lol cogwheel |
| 19:29.35 | Elkano | cogwheel, why? |
| 19:29.53 | cogwheel|work | its vs it's |
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| 19:30.23 | Cide | I've never had any difficulties with that |
| 19:30.30 | Elkano | I have had a discussion in a message board about that two words a few weeks ago ^^ |
| 19:30.35 | Cide | my guild mates from the us, however.. :P |
| 19:30.43 | cogwheel|work | hehe |
| 19:30.58 | Elkano | thse who learned it vs those who SHOULD know ^^ |
| 19:33.37 | JoshBorke | those who should know should have learned |
| 19:35.45 | AnduinLothar | need one of these at my school. http://wonderpizzausa.com/ |
| 19:36.27 | cogwheel|work | s/school/house/ |
| 19:38.28 | Shirik | >>> fib = setmetatable({[0] = 0, [1] = 1}, { __index = function(self, n) return self[n-2] + self[n-1]; end }) print(fib[3000]); |
| 19:38.28 | Cide | Shirik: [string "fib = setmetatable({[0] = 0, [1] = 1}, { __..."]:1: C stack overflow |
| 19:38.36 | Shirik | there has to be a way around that :/ |
| 19:38.50 | Lej | anyone have linkage to some website with info on createing GUIs from inside lua? |
| 19:39.01 | Elkano | what's the max recursion level? |
| 19:39.05 | Shirik | good question |
| 19:39.22 | AnduinLothar | till it asplodes |
| 19:39.47 | Cide | >>> fib = setmetatable({[0] = 0, [1] = 1}, { __index = function(self, n) local v = self[n-2] + self[n-1]; rawset(self, n, v) return v end }) print(fib[3000]); |
| 19:39.47 | Cide | Cide: [string "fib = setmetatable({[0] = 0, [1] = 1}, { __..."]:1: C stack overflow |
| 19:39.50 | Cide | bleh |
| 19:40.13 | JoshBorke | >>> local t,i = {1,2,3,4},1 while table.remove(t) do print(i); i = i + 1 end |
| 19:40.14 | Cide | JoshBorke: 1, 2, 3, 4 |
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| 19:41.35 | AnduinLothar | Cide, do the "X has joined the raid." messages come before or after the raid update event? |
| 19:41.56 | Cide | I'm not sure, but I would guess before |
| 19:42.03 | JoshBorke | >>> local t,i = {1,2,3,4},1; print(table.getn(t)); for k,v in pairs(t) do t[k] = nil end; print(table.getn(t)) |
| 19:42.04 | Cide | JoshBorke: 4, 0 |
| 19:42.04 | Shirik | >>> function a(n) if (n == 0) then return true; else return a(n-1); end; for i = 1,500 do v = pcall(a); if (v==false) then x = i; break; end end return x; |
| 19:42.05 | Cide | Shirik: attempt to call a nil value |
| 19:42.29 | Shirik | >>> function a(n) if (n == 0) then return true; else return a(n-1); end; for i = 1,500 do v = pcall(a, i); if (v==false) then x = i; break; end end return x; |
| 19:42.29 | Cide | Shirik: attempt to call a nil value |
| 19:42.59 | Shirik | >>> function a(n) if (n == 0) then return true; else return a(n-1); end; end; for i = 1,500 do v = pcall(a, i); if (v==false) then x = i; break; end end return x; |
| 19:43.00 | Cide | Shirik: |
| 19:43.05 | Shirik | ? |
| 19:43.14 | Shirik | >>> function a(n) if (n == 0) then return true; else return a(n-1); end; end; for i = 1,3000 do v = pcall(a, i); if (v==false) then x = i; break; end end return x; |
| 19:43.17 | Cide | Shirik: |
| 19:43.19 | JoshBorke | tostring x |
| 19:43.23 | Shirik | it should be numeric |
| 19:43.31 | Shirik | >>> function a(n) if (n == 0) then return true; else return a(n-1); end; end; for i = 1,3000 do v = pcall(a, i); if (v==false) then x = i; break; end end return tostring(x); |
| 19:43.35 | Cide | Shirik: "nil" |
| 19:43.54 | Shirik | >>> function a(n) if (n == 0) then return true; else return a(n-1); end; end; for i = 3000,5000 do v = pcall(a, i); if (v==false) then x = i; break; end end return tostring(x); |
| 19:43.59 | Cide | Shirik: "nil" |
| 19:44.02 | Shirik | wtf |
| 19:44.13 | Shirik | oh |
| 19:44.15 | Shirik | I'm using a tail call |
| 19:44.16 | Shirik | oops |
| 19:44.33 | Shirik | >>> function a(n) if (n == 0) then return true; else z = a(n-1); return z; end; end; for i = 1,500 do v = pcall(a, i); if (v==false) then x = i; break; end end return tostring(x); |
| 19:44.34 | Cide | Shirik: "nil" |
| 19:44.41 | Shirik | >>> function a(n) if (n == 0) then return true; else z = a(n-1); return z; end; end; for i = 1,5000 do v = pcall(a, i); if (v==false) then x = i; break; end end return tostring(x); |
| 19:44.48 | Cide | Shirik: maximum execution time (5s) exceeded |
| 19:44.55 | Shirik | well I thought I could find out how deep you could go |
| 19:45.51 | Shirik | >>> x = "No stack overflow"; function a(n) if (n == 0) then return true; else z = a(n-1); return z; end; end; for i = 1,5000 do v = pcall(a, i); if (not v) then x = i; break; end end return tostring(x); |
| 19:45.57 | Cide | Shirik: maximum execution time (5s) exceeded |
| 19:46.03 | Shirik | >>> x = "No stack overflow"; function a(n) if (n == 0) then return true; else z = a(n-1); return z; end; end; for i = 1,500 do v = pcall(a, i); if (not v) then x = i; break; end end return tostring(x); |
| 19:46.03 | Cide | Shirik: "No stack overflow" |
| 19:46.15 | Shirik | anyone see anything wrong? |
| 19:49.52 | cogwheel|work | >>> function a(n) n = n or 0 ok, val = pcall(a(n+1)) if not ok then return n else return val end end return a() |
| 19:49.52 | Cide | cogwheel|work: d:\lua\input.tmp:14: stack overflow |
| 19:49.53 | Cide | pcall might be too slow to overflow the stack in 5s? |
| 19:49.53 | Shirik | >>> x = "No stack overflow"; function a(n) if (n == 0) then return true; else z = a(n-1); return z; end; end; for i = 5000,10000 do v = pcall(a, i); if (not v) then x = i; break; end end return tostring(x); |
| 19:49.53 | Cide | Shirik: maximum execution time (5s) exceeded |
| 19:49.53 | Shirik | perhaps |
| 19:49.53 | Shirik | Because I just tried it out and mine doesn't overflow with 5000 instructions |
| 19:49.53 | Cide | though cogwheel did it |
| 19:50.00 | Shirik | yeah but you have to use pcall or else you won't be able to catch the error |
| 19:50.03 | Cide | yeah |
| 19:50.17 | Shirik | >>> x = "No stack overflow"; function a(n) if (n == 0) then return true; else z = a(n-1); return z; end; end; for i = 10000,50000 do v = pcall(a, i); if (not v) then x = i; break; end end return tostring(x); |
| 19:50.24 | Cide | Shirik: maximum execution time (5s) exceeded |
| 19:50.26 | Shirik | heh |
| 19:50.33 | Shirik | it's probably just too slow :/ |
| 19:51.07 | Shirik | because your pcall should be pcall(a,n+1) |
| 19:51.28 | cogwheel|work | >>> function a(n) n = n or 0; ok, val = pcall(a, n+1); if not ok then return n else return val end end return a() |
| 19:51.29 | Cide | cogwheel|work: 195 |
| 19:51.48 | cogwheel|work | but that's the lua stack, not the C stack... |
| 19:53.12 | Shirik | >>> x = 0; function a() x = x + 1; a(); end; pcall(a); return x; |
| 19:53.12 | Cide | Shirik: 16376 |
| 19:54.02 | Shirik | but it should be dependent on the parameters you input |
| 19:54.11 | Shirik | >>> x = 0; function a(n) x = x + 1; a(0); end; pcall(a,0); return x; |
| 19:54.12 | Cide | Shirik: 16376 |
| 19:54.15 | Shirik | hm maybe not |
| 19:55.23 | Cide | >>> local t = setmetatable({ 1 },{__index=function(self, key) local v = self[key-1]+1; rawset(self, key, v) return v end}) local ok function f(i) return t[i] end for i = 1, 1000, 1 do ok = pcall(f, i) if not ok then return i end end |
| 19:55.24 | Cide | Cide: |
| 19:55.28 | Cide | >>> local t = setmetatable({ 1 },{__index=function(self, key) local v = self[key-1]+1; rawset(self, key, v) return v end}) local ok function f(i) return t[i] end for i = 1, 10000, 1 do ok = pcall(f, i) if not ok then return i end end |
| 19:55.28 | Cide | Cide: |
| 19:55.31 | Cide | >>> local t = setmetatable({ 1 },{__index=function(self, key) local v = self[key-1]+1; rawset(self, key, v) return v end}) local ok function f(i) return t[i] end for i = 1, 100000, 1 do ok = pcall(f, i) if not ok then return i end end |
| 19:55.32 | Cide | Cide: |
| 19:55.44 | Cide | maybe I did it wrong |
| 19:56.46 | Cide | >>> local t = setmetatable({ 1 },{__index=function(self, key) local v = self[key-1]+1; rawset(self, key, v) return v end}) local ok function f(i) return t[i] end for i = 2, 100000, 1 do ok = pcall(f, i) if not ok then return i end end return "you suck Cide" |
| 19:56.46 | Cide | Cide: "you suck Cide" |
| 19:56.49 | Cide | :/ |
| 19:56.52 | Shirik | haha |
| 19:57.42 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Mortius (i=Mortius@ppp-71-128-198-227.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net) |
| 19:58.19 | cogwheel|work | >>> error("test") |
| 19:58.19 | Cide | cogwheel|work: [string "error("test")"]:1: test |
| 19:59.20 | Shirik | oh Cide |
| 19:59.20 | Shirik | that's because |
| 19:59.20 | Shirik | duh |
| 19:59.20 | Shirik | Ok, you start at t[2] |
| 19:59.20 | Cide | oh, you're right |
| 19:59.20 | Shirik | well to do that, it goes to t[1], which currently is 1. It sets t[2] |
| 19:59.20 | Cide | I'm stupid |
| 19:59.20 | Shirik | to 2 |
| 19:59.26 | Shirik | Then next you look at t[3] which looks at t[2] which is already defined as 2 |
| 19:59.31 | Cide | yeah, heh |
| 19:59.50 | Cide | >>> local t = setmetatable({ 1 },{__index=function(self, key) return self[key-1]+1; end}) local ok function f(i) return t[i] end for i = 2, 10000, 1 do ok = pcall(f, i) if not ok then return i end end return "you suck Cide" |
| 19:59.50 | Cide | Cide: 196 |
| 20:00.30 | Cide | hmm, is yours checking the c stack, Shirik? |
| 20:00.39 | Shirik | believe so |
| 20:01.27 | Shirik | >>> x = 0; function a(n) x = x + 1; a(n+1); end; pcall(a,1); return x; |
| 20:01.27 | Cide | Shirik: 16376 |
| 20:01.39 | Cide | >>> x = 0; function a(n) x = x + 1; local ok = pcal(la,0); if not ok then break end end; a(0) return x; |
| 20:01.39 | Cide | Cide: attempt to call a nil value |
| 20:01.43 | Cide | >>> x = 0; function a(n) x = x + 1; local ok = pcall(a,0); if not ok then break end end; a(0) return x; |
| 20:01.43 | Cide | Cide: attempt to call a nil value |
| 20:01.47 | Shirik | >>> x = 0; function a(...) x = x + 1; a(x,...); end; pcall(a,1); return x; |
| 20:01.50 | Cide | Shirik: 10340 |
| 20:01.54 | Shirik | that's what I thought |
| 20:02.00 | Shirik | it's going to be very dependent upon how you call the functions |
| 20:02.15 | Shirik | because the parameters, if it acts in any way similar to how C works (which it should, considering it's written in C) |
| 20:02.24 | Shirik | are pushed onto the stack along with the return address |
| 20:03.05 | Shirik | >>> x = 0; function a(...) x = x + 1; a(x,x,...); end; pcall(a,1); return x; |
| 20:03.08 | Cide | Shirik: 7312 |
| 20:03.12 | Shirik | yup |
| 20:03.18 | *** join/#wowi-lounge _Grem_ (n=Grem@72.243.15.114) |
| 20:03.30 | _Grem_ | Are there any events or anything for when an item is damaged? |
| 20:03.38 | _Grem_ | Or when the frame for damaged gear is updated |
| 20:06.24 | Shirik | hmm |
| 20:06.29 | Shirik | well let's temporarily assume there isn't |
| 20:06.33 | Shirik | why do you need it? |
| 20:07.08 | _Grem_ | To update my repair cost estimator |
| 20:07.12 | cogwheel|work | _Grem_: why not just look at the code for the damage frame? |
| 20:07.25 | _Grem_ | I guess that's an option =) |
| 20:07.28 | Shirik | cog's ruining the learning experience T_T |
| 20:07.34 | Shirik | well I guess that's another way to learn |
| 20:07.47 | _Grem_ | I just wanted to know if there was an event for it |
| 20:07.54 | _Grem_ | Im well aware that I can diagnose the frames every loop |
| 20:07.57 | _Grem_ | but would prefer to avoid that |
| 20:08.25 | Shirik | oh god don't do that |
| 20:08.28 | cogwheel|work | the damage frame's code would have the event somewhere if it does trigger one... though you could always ctrl-f on wowwiki's events page |
| 20:08.40 | _Grem_ | I did ctrl-f on the event page |
| 20:08.41 | Shirik | actually I already know the event |
| 20:08.47 | _Grem_ | And didnt find anything |
| 20:08.47 | Shirik | but WoWWiki doesn't document it well |
| 20:08.56 | _Grem_ | Nice, care to share? =) |
| 20:09.09 | Shirik | well, I can say this much |
| 20:09.11 | Shirik | I know what other code uses |
| 20:09.28 | Shirik | but back to my original question - because I never give out answers for free |
| 20:09.30 | cogwheel|work | _Grem_: you should probably look at WoW's code anyway |
| 20:09.30 | Shirik | you learn from what you ask |
| 20:09.48 | cogwheel|work | I think every addon author should familiarize themselves with it at least generally |
| 20:09.51 | Shirik | Why do you need to know - is there really a need to update this immediately? Is your frame always shown, even in combat? |
| 20:10.14 | _Grem_ | Because I want to keep track of durability without evaluating each item |
| 20:10.30 | Shirik | is your frame always shown at all times? |
| 20:10.33 | _Grem_ | Yeah |
| 20:11.14 | _Grem_ | Like I said, im working on a live cost updater |
| 20:11.16 | cogwheel|work | _Grem_: why haven't you looked yet? |
| 20:11.17 | Shirik | Then logically you would want to update whenever something regarding your inventory appearance changes |
| 20:11.26 | Shirik | But yes, as cog said, you should check the code for wow |
| 20:11.32 | cogwheel|work | it's EXTREMELY visible in a very logically named file |
| 20:11.34 | Shirik | it will give you a very good learning experience |
| 20:11.45 | _Grem_ | Im on it |
| 20:11.57 | _Grem_ | and yeah Shirik, im familiar with that event, although I thought it was only when changing gear |
| 20:11.58 | Mortius | You can't show secure frames while in combat?? :-/ |
| 20:12.03 | Shirik | negative |
| 20:12.10 | cogwheel|work | Mortius: that's the whole point of secure frames... |
| 20:12.14 | Shirik | that's the whole point of secure frames, to limit their show/movement |
| 20:12.16 | cogwheel|work | only WoW has control over their visibility |
| 20:12.21 | Mortius | That's making my ToT a pain ... |
| 20:12.28 | cogwheel|work | That's why I told you about RegisterUnitWatch |
| 20:12.32 | Shirik | Use InCombatLockdown() |
| 20:12.39 | Lej | Where do you find the standard UI files? |
| 20:12.44 | Mortius | kk |
| 20:13.02 | cogwheel|work | [11:23]<cogwheel|work>Mortius: if your frames have a "unit" attribute, just do RegisterUnitWatch(frame) |
| 20:13.04 | _Grem_ | Cog and Shirik, are you referring to "UNIT_MODEL_CHANGED" |
| 20:13.10 | cogwheel|work | nope |
| 20:13.28 | Shirik | Lej: data/<yourlocale>/locale-enUS.mpq |
| 20:13.30 | cogwheel|work | Lej: See the Mod Author Resources sticky |
| 20:13.30 | Shirik | for most cases |
| 20:13.39 | cogwheel|work | or http://wdn.wowinterface.com |
| 20:13.44 | Shirik | or that |
| 20:13.51 | Shirik | which never works for me so I use the mpq |
| 20:13.53 | Shirik | probably because I don't know how to use it |
| 20:13.58 | Lej | oh I don't browse the US forums that often |
| 20:14.00 | cogwheel|work | Shirik: O.o |
| 20:14.00 | Lej | thanks |
| 20:14.06 | cogwheel|work | you should use the UI extractor |
| 20:14.07 | Shirik | I can't figure out wdn I think >< |
| 20:14.11 | _Grem_ | Shirik or Cog, what's the name of the UI frame I should be looking for? |
| 20:14.18 | Shirik | eh, I would but I don't feel like extracting the whole thing |
| 20:14.18 | cogwheel|work | DurabilityFrame |
| 20:14.18 | _Grem_ | I dont know the name of that damage display frame |
| 20:14.20 | Shirik | wouldn't it be huge? |
| 20:14.21 | _Grem_ | ah |
| 20:14.22 | _Grem_ | gotcha |
| 20:14.41 | cogwheel|work | Shirik: what would be huge? |
| 20:14.52 | Shirik | the extracted lua files? |
| 20:14.55 | Shirik | I dunno, never tried it; how big is it? |
| 20:15.00 | cogwheel|work | what's your definition of huge? |
| 20:15.03 | cogwheel|work | >< |
| 20:15.06 | Shirik | mm |
| 20:15.09 | Shirik | > 50MB |
| 20:15.39 | cogwheel|work | if you extract all the blp files, yes... but is your hard drive really hurting for space? |
| 20:15.57 | cogwheel|work | and the lua is < 5mb |
| 20:16.06 | cogwheel|work | s/5/4/ |
| 20:16.07 | Shirik | well, I don't see the need to extract it if I can just pull up the Lua file with a single double click in WimMPQ |
| 20:16.19 | Shirik | extracts it to temp folder and opens in SciTE |
| 20:16.28 | Shirik | I close scite and it disappears |
| 20:17.00 | cogwheel|work | No need for WinMPQ for one thing... with all its woes when they change the format :P |
| 20:17.17 | Shirik | right, I know about that; have you found an mpq extractor that works with the new format? |
| 20:17.29 | cogwheel|work | nope... 'cause i don't need one :P |
| 20:17.32 | Shirik | For now I'm working on writing an mpq extractor myself because I can't find one |
| 20:17.42 | Shirik | ok what happens when everything gets converted over and you can't get the new lua files? |
| 20:17.55 | cogwheel|work | what do you mean? |
| 20:18.10 | cogwheel|work | Blizzard puts out their own program to extract the files... |
| 20:18.12 | _Grem_ | "UPDATE_INVENTORY_ALERTS" ? |
| 20:18.15 | Shirik | .... |
| 20:18.17 | Shirik | are you serious/ |
| 20:18.20 | Shirik | _Grem_ well done |
| 20:18.25 | Mortius | RegisterUnitWatch(this, true); isn't working.. they say you have to use hooksecurefunc on the OnShow.. still looking into it. |
| 20:18.28 | cogwheel|work | what do you think i've been talking about this whole time >< |
| 20:18.35 | _Grem_ | Does "UPDATE_INVENTORY_ALERTS" everytime any item is damaged, or only when the item turns red? |
| 20:18.35 | *** join/#wowi-lounge bleetah (n=Bleeter@guifications/developer/bleeter) |
| 20:18.48 | cogwheel|work | _Grem_: read the code :P |
| 20:18.49 | Shirik | I've just always used WinMPQ because it's been there |
| 20:18.59 | _Grem_ | What code? |
| 20:19.06 | cogwheel|work | the code in the lua file |
| 20:19.13 | _Grem_ | The DurabilityFrame lua? |
| 20:19.41 | cogwheel|work | that would be the logical choice, given the context... |
| 20:19.52 | cogwheel|work | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=11381244&sid=1 |
| 20:19.59 | cogwheel|work | Shirik: ^ |
| 20:20.04 | Shirik | yeah yeah I know that link >< |
| 20:20.18 | cogwheel|work | very first link in the thread :P |
| 20:20.28 | Shirik | Ever heard the saying "Do what I say, not what I do" ? I've given that link to a ton of people just never used it myself >< |
| 20:20.37 | cogwheel|work | hehe |
| 20:21.06 | _Grem_ | "UPDATE_INVENTORY_ALERTS" isnt even inside the LUA |
| 20:21.13 | _Grem_ | It's attached to in the XML on_load |
| 20:21.21 | cogwheel|work | _Grem_: of course |
| 20:21.44 | _Grem_ | So? |
| 20:21.46 | cogwheel|work | it only registers two events |
| 20:22.05 | _Grem_ | Right, I gathered that |
| 20:22.17 | Shirik | somehow it knows everything just from those two events |
| 20:22.19 | cogwheel|work | One of which only happens when zoning or logging in... |
| 20:22.22 | Shirik | which would imply... |
| 20:22.25 | _Grem_ | Right |
| 20:22.39 | cogwheel|work | Deductive reasoning 4tw |
| 20:22.47 | cogwheel|work | (or is that inductive?) |
| 20:22.53 | Shirik | deductive |
| 20:23.05 | _Grem_ | I dont know, that doesnt prove that the frame is updated whenever a piece of gear is damaged |
| 20:23.31 | cogwheel|work | _Grem_: but those are the only two events it responds to... |
| 20:23.33 | Shirik | if the frame doesn't get updated, then the frame wouldn't work, right? |
| 20:23.46 | Shirik | And, for the sake of argument, let's assume Blizzard knows whta they're doing, and it works right. |
| 20:23.53 | _Grem_ | Well, maybe "UPDATE_INVENTORY_ALERTS" only fires when the gear reaches a point that it's damaged enough to update the frame |
| 20:23.58 | _Grem_ | "Appears to fire whenever the inventory change affects the player's in game appearance." |
| 20:24.05 | _Grem_ | That indicates to me that it fires when the player's appearance changes |
| 20:24.12 | Shirik | Ignore wowwiki right now, you're reading the code yourself. |
| 20:24.14 | _Grem_ | It doesnt say, "Fires when any item durability changes" |
| 20:24.15 | Shirik | Wowwiki isn't perfect. |
| 20:24.18 | cogwheel|work | Don't pay attention to the wiki |
| 20:24.48 | cogwheel|work | we're using first-hand info to figure this out, not hearsay... |
| 20:24.48 | Shirik | You know that frame only responds to two events. |
| 20:24.54 | _Grem_ | Yes |
| 20:25.01 | Shirik | You know one of them only happens at loadtime. |
| 20:25.06 | _Grem_ | Right |
| 20:25.13 | _Grem_ | And the other occurs when 'who knows' |
| 20:25.13 | Shirik | Therefore the only way it can update its info is on the second event. |
| 20:25.17 | _Grem_ | Right |
| 20:25.22 | _Grem_ | But that doesnt indicate how often it updates the info |
| 20:25.23 | Shirik | We know it works correctly (supposedly) |
| 20:25.40 | Shirik | Therefore it must always update when that event happens, correct? |
| 20:25.51 | _Grem_ | Yes, but that doesnt answer how often the event happens |
| 20:25.58 | _Grem_ | And I could go experiment through trial and error |
| 20:25.59 | Shirik | We know the very minimum of how often it happens |
| 20:26.07 | Mortius | yeah, RegisterUnitWatch(frame) isn't working for me. odd. |
| 20:26.09 | _Grem_ | But id rather save my own time by asking someone that might already know the answer |
| 20:26.11 | Shirik | It could be more, but it might not be |
| 20:26.18 | cogwheel|work | _Grem_: now for a little bit of inductive reasoning... |
| 20:26.44 | cogwheel|work | The SetAlerts function calls GetInventoryAlertStatus for every piece of equipment every time that event fires |
| 20:27.00 | _Grem_ | Okay, im completely capable of going out and manually locating this information myself |
| 20:27.09 | _Grem_ | I was hoping to use this channel to partake of already-known wisdom |
| 20:27.20 | _Grem_ | Not to be told, "Just read the code, youll figure it out" |
| 20:27.22 | cogwheel|work | _Grem_: i didn't know any of this when you asked... |
| 20:27.30 | Shirik | Neither did I ;) |
| 20:27.31 | cogwheel|work | i'm learning it right along with you |
| 20:27.43 | _Grem_ | [4:08] <Shirik> actually I already know the event |
| 20:27.46 | cogwheel|work | and sharing my method for learning it with you to help you in the future |
| 20:27.49 | Shirik | I said that after I found it ;) |
| 20:28.02 | _Grem_ | Right Cog, but im completely capable of scouring through code to find the answer |
| 20:28.45 | Tain | Which is how we all learn! Joy be unto the code! |
| 20:28.45 | Tain | Can I get an amen? |
| 20:28.45 | _Grem_ | And unfortunately, 'deductive reasoning' only gets you so far |
| 20:28.45 | bleetah | for all the WoW Winers with nVidia cards, if you didn't notice nVidia updated their driver last week.... version 9755 introduces support for Quadro FX 4600 and Quadro FX 5600, and initial support for NVIDIA SLI with GeForce 8800, Quadro FX 4600, and Quadro FX 5600 |
| 20:28.49 | Shirik | And let me explain why cogwheel|work and I both aren't just handing you the answer: Because giving you the answer teaches you nothing. "Give a man a fish, he eats for a day; Teach a man to fish, he eats for a lifetime." By working with you on the answer, you gain a better understanding of how it works and how to better solve the answer given the right tools |
| 20:29.00 | Mortius | Ah! Got it. Had to use RegisterUnitWatch(self); instead of RegisterUnitWatch(this); for some reason.. |
| 20:29.02 | _Grem_ | Reading the LUA still doesn't indicate to me how often and when exactly UPDATE_INVENTORY_ALERTS fire |
| 20:29.13 | Shirik | It /does/ tell you the very minimum of how often it must fire |
| 20:29.20 | Tain | Give a man fire and you keep him warm for the night. Light a man on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life. |
| 20:29.21 | cogwheel|work | that's where I was going with the inductive reasoning... |
| 20:29.35 | _Grem_ | At minimum, it fires when the DurabilityDisplay changes colors |
| 20:29.39 | Shirik | Tain >.> |
| 20:29.55 | _Grem_ | But I was hoping for an event that fires when any piece of my gear changes durability |
| 20:29.58 | _Grem_ | Which may be that event |
| 20:30.03 | cogwheel|work | since the code checks the status of every piece of equipment every time the event fires, it leads me to the conclusion that it fires whenever durability changes |
| 20:30.24 | cogwheel|work | and it has to check every piece of equipment to know whether it should change the color of the durability display |
| 20:30.56 | cogwheel|work | There are also tools to help you discover when events fire, like Iriel's DevTools |
| 20:31.01 | _Grem_ | Maybe im looking in the wrong file |
| 20:31.08 | _Grem_ | DurabilityFrame.lua ? |
| 20:31.52 | cogwheel|work | http://wdn.wowinterface.com/code/20106448/FrameXML/DurabilityFrame.lua line 27 cicles through every piece of equipment. Line 39 gets the status |
| 20:32.01 | cogwheel|work | s/cic/cyc/ |
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| 20:32.25 | _Grem_ | hmm |
| 20:34.01 | _Grem_ | Okay, thanks |
| 20:34.19 | cogwheel|work | my pleasure :) |
| 20:34.25 | cogwheel|work | (sorry if it's not yours :P ) |
| 20:35.17 | cogwheel|work | Shirik: another advantage of having all the files extracted: Edit->Find in files... |
| 20:35.32 | Shirik | Yeah that's the one thing I do have a problem with :/ |
| 20:35.50 | Shirik | but last time I needed it, I think bleetah was here and did a grep for me :P |
| 20:35.53 | Shirik | someone did |
| 20:35.54 | pastamancer | surely you mean find ./ -type f | xargs grep |
| 20:35.55 | _Grem_ | Sorry if I came off as 'frustrated' and 'unappreciative' |
| 20:36.19 | cogwheel|work | nah... you understood when we explained ourselves :) |
| 20:37.22 | Shirik | As many others will probably point out, I know almost nothing about the WoW API. But... I do know where to find what I need. Learning how to find things is the hard part ;) |
| 20:37.28 | Shirik | Once you get past that, everything else is easy. |
| 20:37.38 | bleetah | pastamancer: surely you mean 'find ./ -type f -exec grep "boobies" {} \; ' |
| 20:37.50 | bleetah | i've never been fond of piping find to xargs |
| 20:37.59 | pastamancer | xargs gives you the filename: match |
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| 20:38.41 | bleetah | i dunno what we're searching for here, I just saw the xargs and shuddered |
| 20:38.46 | Shirik | ha |
| 20:38.46 | pastamancer | and with -print0 and xargs -0, there's no problem with wierd characters in the filenames |
| 20:39.02 | Lej | argh, the xml stuff is messing with my mind |
| 20:39.22 | pastamancer | this is not the well-formed document you are looking for |
| 20:39.37 | bleetah | this is not the awake geek you thought I was |
| 20:39.50 | Shirik | Lej: If you think that's bad, consider this. Internet explorer forcibly takes ownership of the .xml extension. So, if you have an xml editor, and are forced to run IE for something like Windows Updates, then you now have your XML files opening IE every time |
| 20:39.57 | Shirik | Now that's messing with your mind. |
| 20:40.04 | Shirik | And really pissing me off |
| 20:40.11 | Lej | heh >_< |
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| 20:41.04 | Shirik | why are there so many mr_rabieses |
| 20:41.18 | cogwheel|work | it's contagious |
| 20:42.14 | Corrodias | hah |
| 20:45.40 | TC_Working | *groan* |
| 20:46.02 | kaso | oh man |
| 20:46.06 | kaso | i didnt get that joke :< |
| 20:46.25 | Shirik | 5 minutes later you say this >< |
| 20:46.29 | Shirik | kaso are you blonde? |
| 20:46.35 | kaso | yes |
| 20:46.37 | Shirik | haha |
| 20:48.10 | Shirik | hmm |
| 20:48.31 | Shirik | should the updater also store saved variables for the addon when it creates a backup prior to updating? |
| 20:49.08 | Shirik | that way, if you restore a backup, it also (optionally) restores saved vars? |
| 20:49.24 | Mortius | I got most things working, except now the default blizzard target frame pops up when I target something via RegisterUnitWatch(frame) |
| 20:49.53 | Mortius | and I can't hide it with TargetFrame:hide or HideUIPanel(TargetFrame); |
| 20:50.00 | cogwheel|work | Mortius: what do you mean by " when I target something via RegisterUnitWatch(frame)"? |
| 20:50.02 | Gryphen | .xml stuck to the editor of my choice, never seen ie take over |
| 20:50.04 | Gryphen | o.O |
| 20:50.21 | cogwheel|work | RegisterUnitWatch is something you call once when your frame is created... |
| 20:50.25 | Mortius | When I click on the frame that has the RegisterUnitWatch in it |
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| 20:50.51 | cogwheel|work | Mortius: if you want blizzard's frames to go away you have to unregister the events they respond to in order to show themselves |
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| 20:50.53 | Mortius | I don't know why that would matter, but that's the only difference now, and it didn't show before. |
| 20:50.54 | Cide | UnregisterUnitWatch(TargetFrame) |
| 20:51.03 | Cide | TargetFrame:UnregisterAllEvents() |
| 20:51.23 | Mortius | Oh, thanks, never seen that :X |
| 20:52.49 | Corrodias | and/or set TargetFrame:Show() = nil |
| 20:52.57 | Corrodias | no, not nil... an empty function |
| 20:53.14 | Shirik | ow |
| 20:53.23 | Shirik | and taint the TargetFrame at the same time? |
| 20:53.28 | Shirik | thus tainting anything that ever called that? |
| 20:54.02 | Shirik | (i.e., don't do that) |
| 20:54.05 | Corrodias | does that taint it? i was able to disable the experience bar with that, but i don't know if anything tries to use the experience bar afterward |
| 20:54.20 | Corrodias | apparently it doesn't, because i get no blocking errors |
| 20:54.24 | Shirik | mmm there's very limited things that would try to show the xp bar |
| 20:54.26 | cogwheel|work | :Show() doesn't return anything |
| 20:54.33 | cogwheel|work | so there's no value to taint... |
| 20:54.59 | haste | show is a function in the frames shared metatable however |
| 20:55.16 | Corrodias | but you're not modifying the metatable's function |
| 20:55.30 | Corrodias | you're making a new value on the frame's own table that is a function of the same name, to override it |
| 20:55.51 | haste | that's true, but I remember tainting issues when I just added it |
| 20:55.53 | Corrodias | that could taint things i suppose, if they directly tried to call Show() |
| 20:55.57 | Cide | TargetFrame.Show = nil would taint it |
| 20:55.59 | Shirik | cogwheel|work: I was under the impression that calling an insecure function taints any code after that |
| 20:56.08 | Shirik | not just the return value |
| 20:56.09 | cogwheel|work | only if it returns a value |
| 20:56.14 | cogwheel|work | and that value is used |
| 20:56.38 | Corrodias | all i can say is that if i don't use Show() = empty function(), the experience bar re-shows itself no matter how many times i Hide() it during login |
| 20:56.53 | Corrodias | if i set Show() = an empty function(), it doesn't and i get no errors |
| 20:57.19 | Mortius | nice, everything's working pretty well now. |
| 20:57.40 | Cide | I'd rather do hooksecurefunc(ExpBar, "Show", function(self) self:Hide() end) |
| 20:57.55 | Shirik | Both of those are kinda hackish solutions :/ |
| 20:57.58 | cogwheel|work | that'd be rather inefficient though |
| 20:58.09 | cogwheel|work | especially if the frame in question is being :Shown() in an OnUpdate |
| 20:58.20 | Shirik | if it was being shown in onupdate I would shoot someone >< |
| 20:58.24 | Shirik | THAT'S inefficient |
| 20:58.51 | Shirik | Are you serious :/ |
| 20:58.54 | Cide | yeah, possibly |
| 20:59.05 | cogwheel|work | it may be throttled, but still... |
| 20:59.54 | cogwheel|work | I did RegisterUnitWatch(TargetofTargetFrame) and targeted myself... The competition between the UnitWatch code & the default UI trying to hide it since it's myself dropped my FPS by about 10% |
| 21:01.06 | Shirik | I have a cool and exciting addon |
| 21:01.09 | Shirik | iand it's only one line! |
| 21:01.11 | Shirik | I'll give it to you |
| 21:01.17 | Shirik | make the Lua file this line: |
| 21:01.20 | Shirik | _G = nil |
| 21:01.22 | cogwheel|work | Mecaire's MacroTexter is pretty danged neat imo... |
| 21:01.28 | Shirik | and watch the fun |
| 21:01.53 | Industrial | and to end my rant, compilations packs should die in fires. |
| 21:02.05 | cogwheel|work | Cide: including a certain pirate we all know and love? |
| 21:02.06 | Shirik | I don't have a problem with compilations |
| 21:02.14 | Shirik | I have a problem with compilation authors that act as if they're their addons |
| 21:02.16 | Cide | cogwheel|work: /shrug :) |
| 21:02.20 | Shirik | i.e., they created them |
| 21:02.32 | cogwheel|work | Industrial: some of the stuff Mazzle has done is quite unique |
| 21:02.49 | Shirik | Avoiding that argument altogether... |
| 21:02.49 | Cide | sometimes it feels like we release a mod and then a month later there are 5 mods that do the same thing! |
| 21:02.52 | Industrial | i do, people pack and ship them and say they are leet and even less competent people cling onto them so other people get a status and fame and all that bullcrap |
| 21:03.06 | cogwheel|work | s/some/*some*/ |
| 21:03.15 | cogwheel|work | that better, Shirik? :P |
| 21:03.23 | Shirik | ok |
| 21:03.29 | Shirik | I'll take that |
| 21:04.06 | Shirik | I'm listening to Canon right now I'm calm enough to restrain myself ^^; |
| 21:04.06 | cogwheel|work | I'm thinking of the setup wizzard, mainly |
| 21:04.11 | Shirik | yey for classical |
| 21:04.50 | Shirik | I do wish I could take a look at that wizard actually, but from what I've heard, MazzleUI completely destroys your current UI and it's a pain to undo what it does, so I'm not getting to check it out. I have no idea if that's true or not, it's just what I've heard |
| 21:05.02 | Corrodias | Canon, they make nice printers |
| 21:05.14 | Shirik | I liked my Canon printer :/ |
| 21:05.18 | Shirik | until it fell on the floor |
| 21:05.18 | Cide | you should always be able to undo it by backing up wtf and interface |
| 21:05.26 | Shirik | in theory |
| 21:05.37 | Shirik | maybe it'll be a good way for me to test the updater |
| 21:05.39 | Cide | except action button layout I suppose |
| 21:05.48 | Shirik | mhmm |
| 21:05.58 | Tain | You need to learn to take it as a compliment when people use your ideas in other addons, Cide. There's no stopping it and it shows that they're good ones. |
| 21:06.08 | Shirik | Sure there's a way |
| 21:06.10 | Shirik | Become Microsoft |
| 21:06.15 | cogwheel|work | shirik: you can tell it not to rearrange your abilities |
| 21:06.17 | Cide | oh, I know |
| 21:06.18 | Industrial | cogwheel|work: well im a bit extreme with this but I dont like catering the incompetent :P (incompetent, capable of learning but just too lazy) |
| 21:06.22 | Shirik | but you can only do that if you steal others' ideas |
| 21:06.48 | cogwheel|work | just make sure you look through all the options to find it before committing :) |
| 21:06.51 | Cide | I don't care if people use our ideas as a base for creating a new addon |
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| 21:07.10 | Corrodias | i, on the other hand, appreciate making things easy to use without a nightmare of pain |
| 21:07.12 | Cide | but copying it makes me angry (regardless of the level of copying - i.e. not necessarily copying the *code*) |
| 21:07.16 | Industrial | wich is just what a compilation is, imho |
| 21:07.18 | Shirik | can I take your addon, put the ace library in it to make it more efficient, and then release it under my name? |
| 21:07.56 | Industrial | you never know if it WOULD be more efficient |
| 21:08.04 | Shirik | It wouldn't >.> |
| 21:08.08 | Industrial | :) |
| 21:08.15 | Shirik | that was the joke |
| 21:08.31 | Corrodias | i'm the kind of guy who donates my time to help people complete quests. i like me. |
| 21:08.47 | Shirik | I'm the kind of guy that knows a bunch about wow but never plays, sadly |
| 21:08.58 | Shirik | I can tell you the exact timers for most of the bosses, etc. |
| 21:09.01 | Industrial | be sure to mention its an optimized minimal and ram-saving version of |
| 21:09.05 | Shirik | How many times have I done them? Like 5 |
| 21:09.15 | Tain | Copying blocks of code is one of the wonderful parts of an open community! |
| 21:09.30 | Shirik | No it's not |
| 21:09.36 | Shirik | There's a difference between "Copying" and "Sharing" |
| 21:09.39 | Cide | Tain isn't that serious all the time :) |
| 21:09.43 | Industrial | sharing ideas and making it together is :P |
| 21:09.51 | Tain | Actually I"m dead serious on this point. |
| 21:10.03 | Shirik | The GPL is a perfect example of how an open community should work. |
| 21:10.14 | Shirik | You can use the code all you want. But you give credit where credit is due. |
| 21:10.17 | cogwheel|work | Tain, just 'cause it's distributed as code, doesn't mean you have the right to copy bits and pieces you want |
| 21:10.22 | Lej | >>>> function func() return string.char(10) end; func(); |
| 21:10.28 | Shirik | only 3 > hun ;) |
| 21:10.29 | Corrodias | maybe not |
| 21:10.34 | Corrodias | but you -can- copy bits and pieces |
| 21:10.37 | Lej | >>> function func() return string.char(10) end; func(); |
| 21:10.37 | Cide | Lej: |
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| 21:10.43 | Shirik | and you need to return a value |
| 21:10.54 | Shirik | >>> function func() return string.char(10) end; return func(); |
| 21:10.55 | Cide | Shirik: "\n" |
| 21:10.55 | Corrodias | he did |
| 21:10.56 | Cide | or print() it, as of today! |
| 21:11.00 | Shirik | print works?! |
| 21:11.03 | Corrodias | oh |
| 21:11.04 | Shirik | that might have been a mistake |
| 21:11.08 | Cide | why? |
| 21:11.09 | cogwheel|work | >>> print("hi") |
| 21:11.09 | Cide | cogwheel|work: "hi" |
| 21:11.15 | cogwheel|work | >>> "hi" |
| 21:11.16 | Cide | cogwheel|work: "hi" |
| 21:11.19 | Shirik | >>> for i = 1,5 do print("hi"); end |
| 21:11.20 | Cide | Shirik: "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi" |
| 21:11.22 | Shirik | ahhh |
| 21:11.23 | Shirik | nice |
| 21:11.24 | cogwheel|work | >>> return "hi" |
| 21:11.25 | Cide | cogwheel|work: "hi" |
| 21:11.29 | Shirik | >>> for i = 1,500 do print("hi"); end |
| 21:11.29 | Cide | Shirik: "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi"... (exceeded 200 characters) |
| 21:11.38 | Tuller | >>> print("pants") |
| 21:11.38 | Cide | Tuller: "pants" |
| 21:11.39 | Esamynn|Busy | spammers |
| 21:11.40 | Cide | >>> for i = 1,500 do print("hi"); end return 1 |
| 21:11.43 | Lej | >>> for i=1,5 do Print(string.char(10)) end; |
| 21:11.43 | Shirik | >>> for i = 1,500 do print("hi"); end for i = 1,500 do print("hi"); end |
| 21:11.43 | Cide | err |
| 21:11.43 | Cide | Lej: [string "for i=1,5 do Print(string.char(10)) end;"]:1: attempt to call global 'Print' (a nil value) |
| 21:11.44 | Cide | Shirik: "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi"... (exceeded 200 characters) |
| 21:11.45 | Industrial | >>> print tonumber('5') |
| 21:11.45 | Cide | Industrial: attempt to call a nil value |
| 21:11.47 | Cide | >>> for i = 1,500 do print("hi"); end return 1 |
| 21:11.47 | Cide | Cide: 1 |
| 21:11.48 | Cairenn | indeed |
| 21:11.48 | Industrial | blah |
| 21:11.53 | Lej | >>> for i=1,5 do print(string.char(10)) end; |
| 21:11.53 | Cide | Lej: "\n", "\n", "\n", "\n", "\n" |
| 21:11.56 | Lej | aw |
| 21:12.00 | Shirik | nice Cide :) |
| 21:12.26 | Lej | >>> function func() return string.char(10) end; for i=1,5 do func() end; |
| 21:12.27 | Cide | Lej: |
| 21:12.32 | Esamynn|Busy | hey Cairenn: /mode +m, and then we can spam them out while their helpless! 8) |
| 21:12.35 | bleetah | Cide: any chance you can get your bot to prefix a string to it's replies.. that way I can set up a filter to ignore those lines ;) |
| 21:12.37 | Tuller | too bad for the character limit, we could have started doing acii art :P |
| 21:12.38 | Shirik | qq |
| 21:12.46 | Esamynn|Busy | s/their/they're/ |
| 21:12.48 | Tuller | ascii that is |
| 21:12.54 | Cide | bleetah: eh :P |
| 21:13.33 | Shirik | >>> function f() while(true) do print("a"); coroutine.yield(); end end t = coroutine.create(f); for x = 1, 500 do coroutine.resume(f); end |
| 21:13.34 | Cide | Shirik: [string "function f() while(true) do print("a"); cor..."]:1: bad argument #1 to 'resume' (coroutine expected) |
| 21:13.42 | Shirik | >>> function f() while(true) do print("a"); coroutine.yield(); end end t = coroutine.create(f); for x = 1, 500 do coroutine.resume(t); end |
| 21:13.42 | Cide | Shirik: "a", "a", "a", "a", "a", "a", "a", "a", "a", "a", "a", "a", "a", "a", "a", "a", "a", "a", "a", "a", "a", "a", "a", "a", "a", "a", "a", "a", "a", "a", "a", "a", "a", "a... (exceeded 200 characters) |
| 21:13.47 | Shirik | impressive. |
| 21:13.49 | Shirik | most impressive. |
| 21:13.56 | Cairenn | omg guys |
| 21:14.00 | Shirik | ok I'll stop |
| 21:14.00 | Shirik | :) |
| 21:14.11 | cogwheel|work | who needs irc logs anyway? |
| 21:14.17 | cogwheel|work | :P |
| 21:14.21 | Shirik | Just think, we're trying to protect the channel |
| 21:14.32 | Esamynn|Busy | ??? |
| 21:14.33 | Shirik | We're ensuring Cide is protected before some evil script kiddie comes in and tries to destroy the channel |
| 21:14.39 | Shirik | by haxoring Cide |
| 21:14.44 | Cide | exactly |
| 21:14.47 | Cairenn | uh huh |
| 21:14.51 | bleetah | can't you do that in /msg ? |
| 21:15.06 | Cide | that's not very helpful when it's used for learning purposes! |
| 21:15.21 | Shirik | Practice safe hex! |
| 21:15.28 | bleetah | learning to haxor your bot? |
| 21:15.33 | Esamynn|Busy | ~lart Shirik |
| 21:15.44 | Cairenn | the bot itself is helpful, yes, but pure spam is pure spam |
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| 21:16.35 | Corrodias | sorry, but Cide hasn't implemented dilute_the_spam() yet |
| 21:16.42 | Cairenn | heh |
| 21:16.58 | Shirik | I'm actually kinda curious how Cide implemented that |
| 21:17.03 | Lej | function color(text) local str; for i=1,#text do str = str..""..math.random(0,15); end; print(str) end; color("BLahaha"); |
| 21:17.06 | Lej | >>> function color(text) local str; for i=1,#text do str = str..""..math.random(0,15); end; print(str) end; color("BLahaha"); |
| 21:17.06 | Cide | Lej: [string "function color(text) local str; for i=1,#te..."]:1: attempt to concatenate local 'str' (a nil value) |
| 21:17.12 | Shirik | it looks as if print() simply adds a return value |
| 21:17.15 | Cide | it's really simple really |
| 21:17.16 | Tuller | haha :P |
| 21:17.29 | Cide | s/simple really/simple actually/ |
| 21:17.52 | Lej | >>> function color(text) local str = " "; for i=1,#text do str = str..""..math.random(0,15); end; print(str) end; color("BLahaha"); |
| 21:17.52 | Cide | Lej: " 5102814314" |
| 21:18.04 | Shirik | Lej fails. |
| 21:18.06 | Lej | I do |
| 21:18.12 | Lej | but it is know |
| 21:18.48 | Shirik | How I would do it is something like, print() stores its values in a table. After you finish executing the user script, return each value in the print table, followed by the return values from the script |
| 21:19.15 | Cide | exactly how it's done, except the print table is only used if there are no return values |
| 21:19.19 | Cide | >>> print(1, 2, 3); return 4 |
| 21:19.19 | Cide | Cide: 4 |
| 21:19.21 | Shirik | ah |
| 21:20.55 | Lej | >>> function color(text) local str = " "; for i=1,#text do str = str..string.char(3)..math.random(0,15)..string.sub(text,i,i); end; print(str) end; color("BLahaha"); |
| 21:20.55 | Cide | Lej: " 5B5L5a2h3a0h2a" |
| 21:21.25 | kaso | if you want to be really awesome try and get a gradient :> |
| 21:21.42 | Lej | hard to do with 15 colors? |
| 21:21.43 | Shirik | how much gradient can you do with 4 bit color >.> |
| 21:22.00 | kaso | pssh, excuses! |
| 21:22.10 | haste | bara-dum-cshhhh |
| 21:22.56 | kaso | I wonder what happened to that rgb<->hsv function i wrote in lua hmm |
| 21:23.02 | Shirik | 4g5r6a13d2i12e11n10t 3y9e8y |
| 21:23.07 | kaso | hehe |
| 21:23.08 | Shirik | that actually wasn't too bad |
| 21:23.37 | Shirik | it took way too long to write though |
| 21:24.52 | Shirik | >>> a = {4,5,6,13,12,11,10,1,3,9,8}; function color(text) local str = " "; for i=1,#text do str = str..string.char(3)..a[i]..string.sub(text,i,i); end; print(str) end; color("Gradient Yey"); |
| 21:24.52 | Cide | Shirik: [string "a = {4,5,6,13,12,11,10,1,3,9,8}; function c..."]:1: attempt to concatenate field '?' (a nil value) |
| 21:24.55 | Shirik | bleh forget it |
| 21:24.57 | Shirik | too much work |
| 21:25.03 | Lej | Who failed now? :P |
| 21:25.12 | Shirik | Meh, food ytime |
| 21:25.16 | Shirik | time too |
| 21:26.02 | Cide | >>> a = {4,5,6,13,12,11,10,1,3,9,8}; function color(text) local str = " "; for i=1,#text do \nstr = str..string.char(3)\n..a[i]\n..string.sub(text,i,i); end; print(str) end; color("Gradient Yey"); |
| 21:26.03 | Cide | Cide: attempt to call a nil value |
| 21:26.09 | Cide | blah |
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| 21:26.20 | Shirik|Food | way to put \ns in your code |
| 21:26.31 | Lej | I cheated with notepad |
| 21:26.38 | Shirik|Food | how can you cheat with notepad |
| 21:26.41 | Shirik|Food | notepad is a pos |
| 21:27.02 | Lej | Love is a strange thing |
| 21:27.08 | Cide | I was trying to see if it would divide it up into several lines and return the error's line number depending on the line |
| 21:27.13 | Cide | if that makes sense :P |
| 21:27.26 | Shirik|Food | You realize, Lej, the only reason notepad loves you is because he's desparate |
| 21:27.38 | Lej | Perfect match then |
| 21:27.43 | Shirik|Food | aww :( |
| 21:27.46 | Shirik|Food | ~hug Lej |
| 21:27.49 | purl | ACTION sneaks up on Lej and suddenly hugs Lej tightly |
| 21:27.58 | Industrial | http://tinyurl.com/3xt3vm :D |
| 21:28.18 | Shirik|Food | is that your ui? |
| 21:28.24 | Industrial | yes |
| 21:28.34 | Shirik|Food | do you seriously put the buttons and frames in the middle of the screen like that? |
| 21:28.34 | Mortius | I'm a pro at making secureframes clickable now, but I can't for the love of god get a non-secure frame to be clickable. lol |
| 21:28.36 | Corrodias | you killed a spider? |
| 21:28.45 | Industrial | yes i di, and yes i did |
| 21:28.49 | Industrial | s/di/do |
| 21:29.05 | Shirik|Food | how can you do that |
| 21:29.21 | Corrodias | there's nothing to prevent it |
| 21:29.28 | cogwheel|work | Mortius: it's exactly the same but you need to make your own OnClick handler |
| 21:29.40 | Shirik|Food | and.... why does it say "Execute!" |
| 21:29.44 | Shirik|Food | when you're a paladin |
| 21:29.53 | Industrial | thats MSBT |
| 21:29.56 | Industrial | no idea |
| 21:30.01 | Lej | Is the wow ui designer any good? |
| 21:30.04 | haste | hammer of wrath? |
| 21:30.12 | Industrial | and i do that to be able to see things when in combat, not having to look up for my hp and back for the battle |
| 21:30.14 | Shirik|Food | Hammer of Wrath ~= Execute |
| 21:30.25 | haste | isn't it a form for execute? |
| 21:30.27 | cogwheel|work | Lej: depends on your definition of "good" |
| 21:30.34 | Shirik|Food | Execute is a warrior skill >< |
| 21:30.57 | haste | don't they have the same condition tho'? |
| 21:30.58 | Industrial | go tell the msbt author |
| 21:30.59 | cogwheel|work | I find its xml output a bit bloated since it doesn't really know how to use templates |
| 21:31.01 | Shirik|Food | Lej: If you mean it lets you be lazy and not learn anything, yes |
| 21:31.07 | Lej | does it generate code that makes babies cry, a la MS Word HTML= |
| 21:31.31 | Mortius | hmm.. going to keep trying various things until it works heh |
| 21:31.47 | Shirik|Food | I strongly recommend you learn to write the code yourself |
| 21:31.51 | Shirik|Food | You'll thank yourself later for it |
| 21:32.05 | cogwheel|work | Lej: if you're having trouble with XML, I highly recommend using an XML editor that reads XSD files (I use Visual Studio's XML editor which you can get for free with the express editions) |
| 21:32.06 | Shirik|Food | And if you know how to write it yourself, keep doing so |
| 21:32.09 | Lej | Notepad makes me remember stuff by heart :P |
| 21:32.19 | Shirik|Food | And dear god stop using notepad |
| 21:32.30 | cogwheel|work | Lej: remembering stuff by heart isn't very efficient |
| 21:34.26 | Lej | nah I usually use SciTe |
| 21:34.26 | Shirik|Food | I wish I could use MSVS |
| 21:34.26 | Shirik|Food | is there a way to teach intellisense the wow api? |
| 21:34.27 | Shirik|Food | and lua syntax highlighting? |
| 21:34.27 | cogwheel|work | probably... |
| 21:34.27 | cogwheel|work | haven't looked into it though... i use SciTE for my lua |
| 21:34.41 | Shirik|Food | same |
| 21:34.41 | Shirik|Food | though SciTE's api file is rather out of date |
| 21:34.42 | cogwheel|work | I'd really like to see VS do Lua syntax highlighting inside script tags :) |
| 21:34.42 | Industrial | dear god stop using MSVS |
| 21:34.42 | Industrial | www.vim.org |
| 21:34.42 | Shirik|Food | it's missing a lot... and is also incorect... |
| 21:34.42 | Shirik|Food | no |
| 21:34.42 | Shirik|Food | vim does not help with directx |
| 21:34.42 | Industrial | use vim, because haste does. |
| 21:34.43 | haste | :3 |
| 21:34.52 | Tain | I never did get a working syntax highlight setup for VS. There was one out there for an old version of VS, but I never saw anythin else. |
| 21:34.53 | cogwheel|work | Industrial: as we've determined at least 2 or 3 times in this channel, vim doesn't do autocomplete based on the XSD file... |
| 21:34.53 | Shirik|Food | so now we have determined it 3 or 4 times. |
| 21:34.58 | cogwheel|work | hehe |
| 21:35.05 | Shirik|Food | post increment index mode |
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| 21:35.17 | cogwheel|work | which is the whole point I recommend VS (i'd recommend XMLSpy, but it's very much not free) |
| 21:35.19 | Shirik|Food | (sorry, had a microcontrollers test today :/ ) |
| 21:35.42 | wereHamster | how can I /dump my map coords? |
| 21:35.46 | Tain | I used the XMLSpy Home free version for a bit I think. But it was full of nag nag nag. |
| 21:35.50 | Shirik|Food | dump your map coords? |
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| 21:36.04 | wereHamster | yes |
| 21:36.08 | Industrial | well I dont use xml |
| 21:36.10 | cogwheel|work | wereHamster: http://www.wowwiki.com/World_of_Warcraft_API#Mapping_Functions |
| 21:36.10 | Shirik|Food | um |
| 21:36.26 | Shirik|Food | I don't even know what you're asking, but yeah what cog gave you looks right :P |
| 21:36.33 | Lej | so from the beginning then, anyone got linkage for some good tutorials for making frames? |
| 21:36.48 | Cide | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:36.49 | Lej | only good one I found so far is faraframes |
| 21:36.49 | Shirik|Food | FrameXML/UIParent.lua |
| 21:36.50 | cogwheel|work | a little out of date, but: http://fara.webeddie.com/frames/ |
| 21:36.55 | wereHamster | I can't have both irssi and firefox open at the same time :( |
| 21:37.17 | cogwheel|work | chatzilla 4tw :P |
| 21:37.26 | Cide | xchat ftw |
| 21:37.35 | Corrodias | multitasking ftw |
| 21:37.45 | Shirik | I hate freenode's nickserv |
| 21:37.55 | cogwheel|work | why? |
| 21:37.57 | Shirik | it's the only one I've ever seen that de-authenticates you when you change nicks |
| 21:38.10 | cogwheel|work | link them... |
| 21:38.21 | Shirik | I was going to, but then when I tried, I found out I have to register other nicks first |
| 21:38.24 | Shirik | and then link |
| 21:38.27 | Shirik | and I was like "that's too much work" |
| 21:38.37 | Cide | <div style="text-align: center; width: 20px"><div style="width: 10px"></div></div> -- why is the inner div not centered? =/ |
| 21:38.43 | cogwheel|work | meh... this channel was the first IRC I ever really got attatched to... |
| 21:39.06 | Shirik | Cide: Its parent specifies center |
| 21:39.17 | Shirik | or, hm what are you asking? |
| 21:39.23 | Shirik | why is the block not centered? |
| 21:39.26 | Cide | yes |
| 21:39.31 | Shirik | because you aligned the text |
| 21:39.39 | wereHamster | Cide, thanks |
| 21:39.43 | Cide | which should align the block too I thought |
| 21:39.49 | Shirik | isn't it just align:center ? |
| 21:40.01 | Cide | that's old and deprecated afaik |
| 21:40.09 | Shirik | I'm old and deprecated too :( |
| 21:40.22 | Shirik | I don't know too much about HTML/CSS. My strengths are PHP in the web fields |
| 21:40.28 | Shirik | PHP and SQL |
| 21:40.28 | Cide | same |
| 21:40.38 | Cide | except I use python nowadays, but still |
| 21:40.43 | Shirik | that's why my web team is me on PHP and the other dude does the layout :P |
| 21:40.51 | Cide | I'm the only coder so I get to do it all |
| 21:41.10 | Tain | He codes, he cooks, he cleans... even does the dishes. |
| 21:41.13 | Shirik | what about <div align="center"> ? |
| 21:41.20 | Cide | deprecated :P |
| 21:41.22 | cogwheel|work | damn... i just took my CSS book home the other day... |
| 21:41.23 | Cide | Tain: it's true! |
| 21:41.33 | Shirik | I'm assuming the same for <div><center> ? |
| 21:41.38 | Cide | yes |
| 21:41.47 | cogwheel|work | Shirik: <center> = evil |
| 21:41.52 | Shirik | <center> is old |
| 21:41.54 | Shirik | very old. |
| 21:42.59 | cogwheel|work | dreamweaver uses align=center |
| 21:43.09 | cogwheel|work | (v8) |
| 21:43.14 | Tain | Oh I see the problem with your code, Cide. You're not using <blink> ! |
| 21:43.24 | cogwheel|work | <blink><marquee> |
| 21:43.25 | Cide | Tain: oh. and I'm not using <marquee> either |
| 21:43.31 | Cide | damn you, cogwheel|work |
| 21:43.54 | Gryphen | think align=center is still general practice even though its declared deprecated |
| 21:44.04 | Mortius | okay.. anyone want to tell me why this isn't clickable: http://wowi.pastey.net/8405 |
| 21:44.12 | Mortius | first one gets a cookie!! |
| 21:44.33 | Tain | I think we need a blinking marquee battle text addon. |
| 21:44.44 | Shirik | http://msdn.microsoft.com/workshop/author/dhtml/reference/properties/textalign.asp |
| 21:44.48 | Shirik | text-align affects only the text. |
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| 21:45.46 | cogwheel|work | Mortius: you can choose xml formatting when you paste the code... |
| 21:46.00 | Cide | Shirik: hmh, you're right |
| 21:46.01 | Mortius | oh my bad let me do that |
| 21:46.04 | Cide | oh, yeah |
| 21:46.06 | Cide | I remember |
| 21:46.16 | Lej | any recommendation for a xml editor? |
| 21:46.29 | Gryphen | margin-right:auto; margin-left:auto; |
| 21:46.47 | Tain | If you're willing to pay, XMLSpy. If not willing to pay, everything else. |
| 21:46.54 | Cide | margin: auto does block align... text-align only affects the text, but IE doesn't understand that - on the other hand it applies text-align to blocks |
| 21:46.58 | Mortius | New XML pasti: http://wowi.pastey.net/8406 |
| 21:46.59 | Cide | Gryphen: yup :) |
| 21:47.08 | Shirik | http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS1.html specifies nothing about block alignment... |
| 21:48.08 | Shirik | "This property describes how text is aligned within the element. The actual justification algorithm used is UA and human language dependent." |
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| 21:48.21 | Shirik | what it DOES say is that it's inherited. Thus, any child blocks also have their /text/ centered |
| 21:48.30 | cogwheel|work | Mortius: why do you have a separate frame for every single texture & fontstring? |
| 21:48.36 | Cide | Shirik: yeah |
| 21:48.42 | Cide | but IE sucks and applies it to blocks iirc |
| 21:48.54 | Shirik | oh I read what you said backwards :P |
| 21:48.58 | Mortius | That's the way WoW UI Designer does it. it works that way. /shrug |
| 21:50.09 | cogwheel|work | Mortius: have you tried putting something known to work in the OnClick? Like a DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage("works") |
| 21:50.15 | Mortius | aye |
| 21:50.38 | Mortius | I just had in there ChatFrame1:AddMessage("click"); |
| 21:52.00 | cogwheel|work | Lej: any of the editions of VS Express have a decent XML editor that has one killer feature I haven't found anywhere else for free: It will auto-complete based on the UI.xsd that comes in the FrameXML code which means you don't have to memorize tag names, attribute values, and can also know whether your tags are in the correct order. http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/express/ |
| 21:52.44 | Mortius | added the ChatFrame1:AddMessage("click"); back in there for testing. |
| 21:53.48 | Mortius | im going to start commenting out stuff, like the <onupdate> events to see if that is having any ill-effect |
| 21:54.26 | Shirik | >>> coroutine.yield(); |
| 21:54.26 | Cide | Shirik: attempt to yield across metamethod/C-call boundary |
| 21:54.33 | Shirik | hm |
| 21:54.43 | Shirik | was thinking of a way to implement a debugger in WoW |
| 21:54.49 | Shirik | but apparenly you can't do that :( |
| 21:54.52 | Lej | cogwheel|work: Visual Web Developer? |
| 21:55.17 | cogwheel|work | any of the different Visual ___.... pick whichever one you think you might use :) |
| 21:55.30 | cogwheel|work | C++, C#, VB, SQL, etc... |
| 21:55.35 | Shirik | C++ ftw |
| 21:55.40 | cogwheel|work | qft |
| 21:55.54 | Shirik | strange, they have them separate? |
| 21:55.56 | cogwheel|work | I broke down and bought VS2005 standard edition so i have all of them :P |
| 21:56.03 | cogwheel|work | Shirik: just the free versions |
| 21:56.03 | Shirik | I just get it from the school all in one package |
| 21:56.04 | Shirik | ah |
| 21:56.05 | JoshBorke | >>> local t,ti,tr = {},table.insert,table.remove; ti(t,'1');ti(t,'2');print(tr(t)) |
| 21:56.05 | Cide | JoshBorke: "2" |
| 21:56.23 | JoshBorke | >>> local t,ti,tr = {},table.insert,table.remove; ti(t,'1');ti(t,1,'2');print(tr(t)) |
| 21:56.24 | Cide | JoshBorke: "1" |
| 21:56.37 | Lej | heh already had c++ and c# versions downloaded |
| 21:57.04 | Lej | wonder why I removed it.. |
| 21:57.15 | Shirik | probably would be because it said "microsoft" |
| 21:57.21 | Shirik | sounds reasonable to me |
| 21:57.37 | Shirik | you see that word you instantly hit the remove button without thinking |
| 21:57.52 | Lej | Oh cra... |
| 21:58.40 | Antiarc|Wor1 | Do we have any Arena-using folks in here? |
| 21:58.52 | cogwheel|work | Lej: in order to get what I was talking about working, you need to do two things: 1) Use the UI extractor or wdn.wowinterface.com to grab a copy of UI.xsd and stick it somewhere in your WoW path (I put mine in my AddOns folder) |
| 21:59.03 | Mortius | okay Cog, I figured it out. the problem wasn't in the XML .. It was with my frame lock/unlocker... it was disabling the mouse on that frame .. sorry about that. |
| 21:59.29 | cogwheel|work | 2) Make sure your UI tag points to it in that location. I'll pastey mine in a sec: |
| 21:59.59 | Shirik | yey they're linked now |
| 22:00.02 | Shirik | anyway... food time |
| 22:00.13 | Lej | you may now laugh at me for getting the visual basic version |
| 22:00.19 | Shirik|Food | !!!! |
| 22:00.22 | Shirik|Food | VB = Devil |
| 22:00.32 | cogwheel|work | no... no... "laugh" just doesn't quite cover it... |
| 22:00.33 | Shirik|Food | meh, I'm biased |
| 22:00.34 | Shirik|Food | anyway, food |
| 22:00.35 | cogwheel|work | :P |
| 22:01.08 | Industrial | python \o/ |
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| 22:01.29 | Lej | I don't know any language properly I'd say. Know a few halfassed tho. |
| 22:01.34 | Industrial | me too |
| 22:01.39 | Cide | can anyone suggest a good ftp client? only requirement being that it has a tree view for both local and remote |
| 22:01.47 | Shirik|Food | FileZilla |
| 22:01.48 | Thordon | Hi, does anyone know a way of getting your stats through scripts, just the ones displayed in the character UI? |
| 22:01.55 | Shirik|Food | Cog: It could be worse, it could be ASP |
| 22:01.57 | Cide | I'm using that, Shirik|Food - not particularly pleased with it |
| 22:01.59 | Thordon | Strength, agility, attack power, crit chance etc |
| 22:02.04 | cogwheel|work | Lej: http://wowi.pastey.net/8409?hi=2 The highlighted line is the important bit. As long as you make that point to the XSD file, it'll do wonders for your XML efficiency |
| 22:02.05 | Shirik|Food | meh, I tend to use command line ftp |
| 22:02.11 | Shirik|Food | so I can't really help you there :/ |
| 22:02.50 | cogwheel|work | Which UC? |
| 22:03.05 | Lej | fireftp, firefox extension :P |
| 22:03.39 | bleetah | cygwin/gftp |
| 22:03.54 | Cide | fireftp doesn't look that terrible actually |
| 22:04.59 | bleetah | ouch.. "NOTICE! There are major problems with Firefox 2.0.0.1. Basically, FireFTP used in conjunction with Firefox version 2.0.0.1 will cause high CPU usage and major computer slowdowns." |
| 22:05.17 | cogwheel|work | so use 2.0.0.2 :P |
| 22:05.19 | Lej | well I use 1.5 :P |
| 22:05.25 | Cide | 2.0.0.2 ftw! |
| 22:05.35 | Gnarfoz | using outdated software ftw |
| 22:05.43 | Lej | yay notepad |
| 22:05.46 | cogwheel|work | I had lots of crashes with 2.0.0.1 with chatzilla |
| 22:05.48 | haste | We should all use Internet Explorer 4 |
| 22:06.05 | bleetah | hmm, fireftp loses. no scp support :P |
| 22:06.13 | Lej | it's just a pain updating and reinstalling all extensions |
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| 22:07.56 | Bayk | Hey I'm wanting to pull text from the chat window and set a var with it can someone point me in right direction |
| 22:09.31 | cogwheel|work | You can do two things... either respond to the chat events that generate the messages, or pull the text directly off the chat frame lines |
| 22:10.19 | cogwheel|work | the former being cleaner, but the latter can deal with non-chat events like printouts from addons and such |
| 22:10.30 | Cide | fireftp seems kind of... unresponsive |
| 22:10.47 | cogwheel|work | or you could even hook the AddMessage method of the chat frame |
| 22:11.23 | Bayk | anythere anywhere I can find some help online on how to do it couldn't find anything on wow wiki |
| 22:11.55 | cogwheel|work | depends on which type of info you need... are you looking for actual chat messages or any text that gets put into the chat window? |
| 22:12.20 | cogwheel|work | (actual chat messages include system messages, xp gain, combat log, etc.) |
| 22:12.28 | Bayk | actual chat messages |
| 22:12.32 | Thordon | Is there a way to access the information in the blizzard UI components? |
| 22:12.50 | cogwheel|work | Thordon: that's a bit vague... mind clarifying? |
| 22:13.25 | Thordon | cogwheel|work: Im looking to get the current attack power, crit chance etc of a player as displayed in the character screen |
| 22:13.54 | cogwheel|work | Bayk: http://www.wowwiki.com/HOWTO:_Parse_Event_Messages |
| 22:13.55 | Lej | UnitAttackPower("unit") - Returns the unit's melee attack power and modifiers. |
| 22:13.59 | Lej | ? |
| 22:14.16 | Bayk | thanks cog |
| 22:14.40 | Lej | http://www.wowwiki.com/World_of_Warcraft_API#Unit_Functions |
| 22:14.44 | cogwheel|work | Thordon: http://www.wowwiki.com/World_of_Warcraft_API#Character_Functions |
| 22:15.07 | cogwheel|work | you may also find some info in the paper doll frame code |
| 22:15.07 | Thordon | cogwheel|work: Great, thanks :) |
| 22:16.53 | Lej | Thordon: Getting attackpower does seem to be in the Unit function tho not in the Character ones |
| 22:17.24 | Thordon | I saw that yeah :) |
| 22:21.21 | cogwheel|work | Shirik: what UC? |
| 22:21.28 | Shirik | oh |
| 22:21.30 | Shirik | university center |
| 22:21.36 | cogwheel|work | ah |
| 22:21.45 | cogwheel|work | what U then? :P |
| 22:22.20 | Shirik | embry-riddle aeronautical: http://www.erau.edu/db/ |
| 22:24.20 | Lej | the UI.xsd is the same for US and EU, right? |
| 22:24.26 | haste | yes |
| 22:24.28 | cogwheel|work | yep |
| 22:24.35 | cogwheel|work | it just defines the format of the XML file |
| 22:25.03 | Shirik | code, for the most part, doesn't change between clients. What does change is the localization of it. |
| 22:25.21 | Shirik | Thus, when you ask for a unit's class, for example, you get two return values. The "code" version, and the localized version |
| 22:26.43 | Lej | where is the file located :< |
| 22:27.10 | cogwheel|work | You need to use the UI extractor or go to wdn.wowinterface.com |
| 22:27.22 | cogwheel|work | and it's in the Blizzard Interface Data\FrameXML folder |
| 22:27.44 | Lej | ah, yes |
| 22:28.44 | Lej | is there a reason why you put ..\UI.xsd on a new line or did you just want to make it esier to see? |
| 22:30.57 | cogwheel|work | That's just how i found it... :P |
| 22:31.06 | cogwheel|work | and it is a bit easier to see |
| 22:33.52 | Lej | time to make some simple frames then |
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| 22:45.10 | Mortius | Can someone try to do a /script ToggleDropDownMenu(1, nil, TargetFrameDropDown, "TargetFrame", "cursor"); and see if it works for you? With blizzards target frame open. That code is from FrameXML and it doesn't work for me. yet change TargetFrame to PlayerFrame or anything else and it does |
| 22:45.19 | Lej | <Anchor point="CENTER"/> or <Anchor point="CENTER"></Anchor>? |
| 22:46.23 | cogwheel|work | whichever one you prefer |
| 22:46.27 | Lej | Mortius: Opened target dropdown for me |
| 22:46.48 | Mortius | okay im confused. how is it possible that it doesn't work for me.. |
| 22:46.56 | cogwheel|work | Mortius: you're telling it to use "TargetFrame" |
| 22:47.04 | Lej | </Anchor> then, gogo autocomplete :P |
| 22:47.09 | Mortius | yes, it's suppose to |
| 22:47.19 | Mortius | this is with no addons loaded, blizzard stock |
| 22:47.22 | cogwheel|work | but if i've followed correctly, you have "TargetFrame" hidden because you're using your own target frame |
| 22:47.24 | cogwheel|work | oh... |
| 22:47.48 | Mortius | maybe I have a corrupted install or something |
| 22:48.08 | cogwheel|work | Mortius: try deleting your layout-cache.txt |
| 22:48.21 | cogwheel|work | and make sure you have a target :P |
| 22:48.24 | Mortius | ok will do thanks :) |
| 22:48.27 | Mortius | yes, I did haha |
| 22:48.33 | Mortius | Not QUITE that dumb. lol |
| 22:49.12 | cogwheel|work | Lej: is it really faster to type ></[enter] than /> ? |
| 22:49.32 | Lej | >[enter] |
| 22:49.51 | Lej | is waht I do |
| 22:50.10 | cogwheel|work | Yeah... i like compact code though :P |
| 22:50.27 | cogwheel|work | but if you're planning on putting in offsets, then that's definitely the way to go |
| 22:50.29 | Lej | and with a swedish keyboard / is shift+7 and it's so stretchy |
| 22:50.39 | cogwheel|work | ah |
| 22:50.45 | Cide | that's why I use english kb layout when coding :) |
| 22:51.03 | Cide | {}, [], :, ; are all in weird places on swedish keyboards |
| 22:51.14 | Shirik | sounds like an anti-programming keyboard |
| 22:51.22 | Cide | as well as / & \ |
| 22:51.26 | Cide | pretty much! |
| 22:51.30 | Lej | \ is a pain |
| 22:51.42 | cogwheel|work | dvorak's a bit frustrating as well... []{} are where -_ & ++ are |
| 22:51.50 | cogwheel|work | s/++/+=/ |
| 22:51.56 | Shirik | there's a ++ key? |
| 22:51.57 | Shirik | oh |
| 22:52.55 | JoshBorke | yea, but you get used to it :-D |
| 22:53.18 | Lej | I wonder how I've been liveing all these years without a kickass autocomplete like this |
| 22:53.43 | cogwheel|work | I wonder how anyone can code XML without it :) |
| 22:54.06 | Cide | why code xml? :) |
| 22:54.09 | JoshBorke | it's all about the caps replaced by the ctrl key |
| 22:54.27 | Shirik | why code with words? |
| 22:54.28 | cogwheel|work | Cide: imo, xml is more natural for UI design |
| 22:54.30 | Shirik | Just use binary |
| 22:54.42 | Shirik | wtb autocomplete for binary |
| 22:54.46 | Lej | It's... machine code! |
| 22:54.54 | Cide | cogwheel|work: eh.. I like my frame designer :) |
| 22:55.17 | cogwheel|work | parent-child relationships, for instance, are inherent to the structure of the code |
| 22:55.59 | Cide | I use tables for that |
| 22:56.15 | Cide | ["frame"] = { "child", "child", "child" } |
| 22:56.20 | Cide | s/frame/parent/ |
| 22:56.31 | cogwheel|work | tables work... |
| 22:56.57 | cogwheel|work | a lot of people do all the CreateFrames and SetPoints directly in their code though |
| 22:57.02 | cogwheel|work | which I will never understand >< |
| 22:57.05 | Cide | yeah, ugh |
| 22:57.20 | Cide | though I do in ctra2, but that's not the point! |
| 22:57.30 | cogwheel|work | heh |
| 22:57.37 | Esamynn | lol |
| 22:57.45 | cogwheel|work | speaking of which... |
| 22:57.50 | cogwheel|work | ;) |
| 22:57.56 | Cide | meh :P |
| 22:58.04 | Cide | I need to hire another developer |
| 22:58.07 | Esamynn | I perfer to keep the properties and functionality seperated into the different files, and XML it better for dealing with the properties imo |
| 22:58.10 | cogwheel|work | me too |
| 22:58.26 | cogwheel|work | (re: need to hire someone) |
| 22:58.27 | Shirik | I can't find it |
| 22:58.36 | Shirik | there used to be a photoshopped visual studio box |
| 22:58.42 | Shirik | that said "Microsoft Visual Binary ++" |
| 22:58.47 | Esamynn | lol |
| 22:58.49 | cogwheel|work | haha |
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| 22:59.43 | Cide | separated into different files can easily be done in lua too as I'm sure you know |
| 23:00.02 | Cide | properties I guess is a valid argument, but I don't like the fact that it takes.. so.. bloody... logn |
| 23:00.06 | Cide | s/logn/long/ |
| 23:00.15 | Cide | then again, I did all my xml by hand (yes, I'm masochistic) |
| 23:00.27 | Esamynn | heh, so do I |
| 23:01.09 | Cide | nvm*.. what's with the enter key being pressed too early today? |
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| 23:02.16 | Mortius | I just came back in here to tell you I was wrong. I REALLY AM THAT DUMB. Helps if I'm not testing by targeting a mob where you don't get a dropdown menu. |
| 23:02.16 | cogwheel|work | Hmm... I wonder if it would make any sense to create a full re-implementation of the XML system using lua tables... |
| 23:02.36 | Cide | I kinda did :) |
| 23:02.36 | cogwheel|work | part of CT library? |
| 23:02.57 | Cide | probably not in the way you envisioned it though |
| 23:02.57 | Cide | yes |
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| 23:03.20 | cladhaire | there's a few, they're really nice |
| 23:04.54 | Cide | ["frame#s:300:200#n:Test#s:HIGH#l:r:-200:100#t#p:UIParent"] = { "frame#i:child1", ["button#i:child2#n:mychildbutton"] = { ["onshow"] = function(self) message("Hi, I'm " .. self:GetName()) end } } |
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| 23:06.24 | Cide | creates a frame with name Test, dimensions 300x200, strata HIGH, parent UIParent, SetPoint("TOP", "TOP") SetPoint("LEFT", "RIGHT", -200, 100), with two children, one frame (accessed through Test.child1) and one button with name mychildbutton that calls message() onshow (button can also be accessed through Test.child2) |
| 23:06.41 | Cide | so.. pretty compact way of creating frames |
| 23:07.03 | Shirik | AH! |
| 23:07.08 | Shirik | My Professor's webpage still exists, yey |
| 23:07.10 | Shirik | here's the box: http://www.egr115.com/MSVisBin.jpg |
| 23:07.16 | Cide | I think Tem wrote one for dongle (cladhaire might be able to confirm!), not sure on the format though |
| 23:07.22 | cladhaire | DongleFrames:Create("n=TomTomFrame#p=UIParent#size=100,32#toplevel#strata=HIGH#mouse#movable#clamp", "CENTER", 0, 0) |
| 23:07.47 | Cide | ah, pretty similar format |
| 23:07.54 | cladhaire | similar idea, but just for the basics, scripts and such are still handles seprrately, and there's no definition of children in the format |
| 23:08.02 | Shirik | Other microsoft products: Word: http://www.egr115.com/MSword.jpg, Notepad XP: http://www.egr115.com/MSnotepadxp.jpg, and Ransom: http://www.egr115.com/MSransom.jpg |
| 23:08.41 | Lej | Poor notepad :( |
| 23:08.49 | [dRaCo] | notepad ftw! |
| 23:08.56 | [dRaCo] | best texteditor ever. |
| 23:08.59 | Lej | yes! |
| 23:09.08 | Lej | another notepad fan |
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| 23:09.42 | cogwheel|work | Binary & word are my favorites :) |
| 23:09.46 | Shirik | mine too ^^ |
| 23:10.21 | [dRaCo] | no useless eye candy, no useless support for foreign languages and utf8-stuff and such ;þ |
| 23:10.53 | Shirik | ~lart [dRaCo] |
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| 23:11.21 | [dRaCo] | damn, that one hurt. |
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| 23:12.20 | Shirik | o.o |
| 23:12.26 | Shirik | I just realized I have 4 copies of visual studio open |
| 23:12.27 | Shirik | oops |
| 23:12.40 | Lej | anyone know if there's an .blp extension for irfanview? |
| 23:12.47 | [dRaCo] | doin' anything useful? :þ |
| 23:12.52 | Shirik | no, just sitting there |
| 23:13.16 | Shirik | I've been doing a bunch of test code today, I think what happens is like I say "oh I want to test this" and open up a copy of visual studio, build it, run it, and never close it |
| 23:13.23 | Shirik | test something again, open a copy, run it |
| 23:13.25 | Shirik | do that 4 times |
| 23:13.50 | [dRaCo] | you might as well close all of them and start browsing 4chan, then. would be as productive... |
| 23:14.16 | haste | /b/ is productive |
| 23:14.18 | Shirik | nah, I'm just reading up on something and just testing random stuff it says is all |
| 23:18.20 | cladhaire | anyone: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9001 |
| 23:18.24 | cladhaire | i dont have time to asnwer or evern read. |
| 23:33.15 | JoshBorke | tldr |
| 23:34.36 | JoshBorke | seriously? why doesn't he just switch the colors he wants to be filled in? |
| 23:36.15 | Esamynn | does't really work if you want the bar to be transparent where hasn't "grown to" |
| 23:38.08 | JoshBorke | well, yea, transparent bars would be harder |
| 23:43.42 | Lej | what frames except class trainer frame have the scrollwindow with [+] buttons that can be used to show/hide a submenu? |
| 23:43.53 | JoshBorke | quests |
| 23:44.11 | JoshBorke | reputation |
| 23:45.36 | Lej | ah reputation is nice |
| 23:53.22 | Lej | is there a way to delete a frame create with CreateFrame? |
| 23:53.42 | JoshBorke | no |
| 23:53.47 | JoshBorke | you can't destroy frames at all |
| 23:53.49 | Lej | :/ |
| 23:54.14 | Lej | which means I have to keep track of them and reuse them unless I want to cause mayhem? |
| 23:54.31 | JoshBorke | yea, why wouldn'ty ou reuse them? |
| 23:55.39 | cladhaire | its quite simple, really |
| 23:56.32 | Shirik | (1) it's simple to reuse frames; (2) how many frames could you possibly need to create? |
| 23:56.39 | Shirik | There's really no major need to destroy frames |
| 23:56.44 | Shirik | even though we made a function that does it :P |
| 23:57.07 | Lej | 1 for every type of ore and what they prospect into |
| 23:57.09 | Cide | and how did you do that? |
| 23:57.19 | Lej | unless there's somekind of table function Im missing out on |
| 23:57.20 | Shirik | it's very abstracted... it doesn't quite "delete" the frame |
| 23:57.24 | Shirik | it just marks it as free |
| 23:57.25 | cladhaire | it can't |
| 23:57.30 | cladhaire | there's still a userdata reference on the C sidew. |
| 23:57.31 | Shirik | we have a framepool |
| 23:57.32 | Cide | which is not delete :) |
| 23:57.38 | cladhaire | grats |
| 23:57.41 | Shirik | No, but it's a "destroy" function |
| 23:57.51 | Shirik | as the function is, quite literally, Frame:Destroy() |
| 23:57.54 | Cide | I'd call it a "free" function :) |
| 23:58.54 | cladhaire | or call it none of the above |
| 23:58.57 | cladhaire | and make a literal frame pool |
| 23:59.00 | cladhaire | since that's what you're doing |
| 23:59.07 | Shirik | is what it is |
| 23:59.32 | cladhaire | no, i mean call it a frame pool |
| 23:59.37 | cladhaire | don't mess with the metatable |
| 23:59.40 | cladhaire | or dropping methods in |
| 23:59.42 | Shirik | we didn't touch it |
| 23:59.48 | Lej | I think I'll solve this by printing the info into a edit box :P |
| 23:59.50 | cladhaire | FramePool:CreateFrame() FramePool:FreeFrame() |
| 23:59.57 | Shirik | Our frames aren't made there |
