irclog2html for #wowi-lounge on 20070316

`00:00.11`	`Shirik`	`We have a slight abstraction`
`00:00.17`	`cladhaire`	`i'm just saying, saying you made a destory frame function is bs`
`00:00.18`	`cladhaire`	`=)`
`00:00.23`	`Shirik`	`every windows has its own table, and in it, wnd.frame = CreateFrame()`
`00:00.29`	`Shirik`	`er,`
`00:00.33`	`Shirik`	`wnd.wnd = CreateFrame()`
`00:00.38`	`Shirik`	`then wnd.Destroy = function() blah blah end`
`00:01.50`	`cladhaire`	`you said Frame:Destroy()`
`00:01.55`	`Shirik`	`right`
`00:02.00`	`Shirik`	`because from my perspective, that's correct`
`00:02.04`	`cladhaire`	`...`
`00:02.14`	`Shirik`	`The actual frame is located at Frame.wnd`
`00:02.22`	`Shirik`	`The function is located at Frame.Destroy`
`00:02.27`	`cladhaire`	`and where does that method come from`
`00:02.31`	`Shirik`	`we made it`
`00:02.37`	`cladhaire`	`yes.`
`00:02.44`	`cladhaire`	`. and you put it in the frame's object, or in the metatable`
`00:02.46`	`cladhaire`	`like i said =)`
`00:02.59`	`Shirik`	`When I said "we didn't touch it" that was in response to the metatable`
`00:03.06`	`cladhaire`	`k`
`00:03.44`	`cladhaire`	`i don't really care, obviously, but I felt it was misrepresented and wanted to clarify.`
`00:04.02`	`Shirik`	`also`
`00:04.08`	`Shirik`	`what is FramePool:CreateFrame() ..`
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`00:04.20`	`cladhaire`	`i'm saying.. you could implement a frame pool`
`00:04.22`	`cladhaire`	`and make it explicit`
`00:04.26`	`Shirik`	`oh, it exists`
`00:04.27`	`cladhaire`	`rather than what you did`
`00:04.28`	`Shirik`	`extremely deep`
`00:04.30`	`cladhaire`	`and its a bit nicer.`
`00:04.32`	`Shirik`	`VFL.FramePool`
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`00:04.43`	`Shirik`	`RDX.Window:new() is an abstraction which pulls from VFL.FramePool`
`00:04.45`	`cladhaire`	`i know, i'm familiar with VFL's code`
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`00:05.25`	`Shirik`	`Frame:Destroy() merely releases back into that framepool`
`00:05.36`	`cladhaire`	`yes i know.`
`00:05.49`	`cladhaire`	`but all you implemented was a frame pool, that's all i was bringing it back to`
`00:05.51`	`Shirik`	`... not understanding the difference then`
`00:06.46`	`cladhaire`	`you didn't write a destory function =)`
`00:06.53`	`cladhaire`	`taht does any more than a frame pool`
`00:07.30`	`Tain`	`But.. this frame pool goes to 11.`
`00:07.36`	`cladhaire`	`13 > 11`
`00:08.38`	`JoshBorke`	`1 > all`
`00:09.14`	`Tain`	`One is the lonliest number that I ever knew.`
`00:09.21`	`cladhaire`	`One needs to get laid more often`
`00:09.47`	`TC_Working`	`this is tain...he's all over that`
`00:10.28`	`Tain`	`hehe Robot Chicken intro says: One half hour of stop + motion = madness so awesome it will melt your face off`
`00:13.26`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`half hour?`
`00:13.40`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`they're 15 min long I thought`
`00:14.07`	`Tain`	`Yeah it's a double-shot.`
`00:16.58`	`Lej`	`argh, how hard can it be to create a scrollframe with a fontstring in`
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`00:21.45`	`_Grem_`	`Does anyone know if there is an event for when crafting gets interupted? 'CRAFT_UPDATE' and 'TRADE_SKILL_UPDATE' dont`
`00:26.21`	`_Grem_`	`I guess I can just try to catch the 'Interrupted' text`
`00:30.21`	`_Grem_`	`UI_ERROR_MESSAGE, booyah`
`00:38.41`	`Tain`	`The problem is obvious.`
`00:38.47`	`Tain`	`Gem is truly outreagous.`
`00:38.53`	`Tain`	`Truly, truly outreagous.`
`00:39.24`	`Gnarfoz`	`does that mean 'out of reagents'?`
`00:40.07`	`Lej`	`how does one set a width to a FontString at which text will wrap?`
`00:40.30`	`Tain`	`With hopes and dreams, Lej. Hopes and dreams.`
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`00:44.12`	`JoshBorke`	`tain is just upset because no one likes his mods`
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`00:46.38`	`Tain`	`I loved my mods, that's all that mattered. :)`
`00:46.48`	`Tain`	`Self-love is the best love!`
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`01:05.15`	`Lej`	`stuuuuupid fontstring`
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`01:05.46`	`Lej`	`I can't get it to have a set width and change height to needed`
`01:05.58`	`Lej`	`SetWidth() doesn't seem to do anything :<`
`01:07.15`	`batrick`	`what do you guys use besides wow to check for bugs in your xml?`
`01:07.54`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`I use the command rm -r *.xml`
`01:07.57`	`Bleeter`	`cyanide gas and a very big stick (for Starship Trooper sized bugs)`
`01:08.14`	`Bleeter`	`Shirik\|AFK: -fr .. if yer gunna do something, do it well :)`
`01:08.21`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`f?`
`01:08.38`	`batrick`	`what the hell do you need forced for lol`
`01:08.40`	`Bleeter`	`force - ignore nonexistent files, never promp`
`01:08.41`	`Bleeter`	`t`
`01:08.56`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`how can you delete something that doesn't exist? :/`
`01:12.09`	`Bleeter`	`it's more if you set up, for example, a for loop that contains a bunch of files, and someone else deletes one of those files before you get to it`
`01:12.21`	`Bleeter`	`iirc`
`01:14.05`	`cladhaire`	`-fr for the win`
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`01:28.32`	`Lej`	`is there a special char you can pass to FontString to force a new line? like \n`
`01:28.34`	`Lej`	`?`
`01:33.07`	`AnduinLothar`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:33.30`	`Lej`	`ok.. what did I do wrong hten :}`
`01:43.06`	`Corrodias`	`got my black war talbuk`
`01:43.16`	`Corrodias`	`all that powder was mostly a side effect of farming clefthoof leather`
`01:44.59`	`cladhaire`	`;-)`
`01:45.03`	`cladhaire`	`h8 clefthoof leather`
`01:45.43`	`AnduinLothar`	`i only got abotu 30 powder total`
`01:46.07`	`AnduinLothar`	`but i didn't farm leather`
`01:46.18`	`AnduinLothar`	`that's just for misc nargrand quests`
`01:59.42`	`Corrodias`	`yeah. the damn talbuk takes 400.`
`01:59.58`	`Corrodias`	`but it's not like halaa had anything else i would want`
`02:00.32`	`Corrodias`	`i've decided to see if i can take over for the pitiful Fel Hide sellers (one or two on the AH for 3g) and start providing -useful- amounts of them for 5g each`
`02:01.29`	`Lej`	`ok so I got \n working`
`02:01.36`	`Lej`	`there isn't a tab character too?`
`02:01.46`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`does \t work?`
`02:01.50`	`Lej`	`nope`
`02:01.58`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`>>> print("a\ta");`
`02:02.03`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`:( Cide left`
`02:02.04`	`Lej`	`better try once more to be sure...`
`02:02.30`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`it definitely exists in Lua`
`02:02.37`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`whether or not WoW accepts it is another story`
`02:02.47`	`Lej`	`\t became nothingness`
`02:02.53`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`then it's probably ignoring it`
`02:03.05`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`why are you using it?`
`02:03.32`	`Lej`	`just wanted to display a table in a FontString`
`02:03.36`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`My approach would be to create multiple fontstrings, one for each string. I find that you can manipulate those much better anyway`
`02:04.25`	`Lej`	`that would be alot of fontstrings ^^`
`02:04.38`	`Lej`	`can you delete those? :P`
`02:04.50`	`JoshBorke`	`no`
`02:04.56`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`you concern yourself with that too much`
`02:05.03`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`as much as I hate to say this`
`02:05.07`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`don't worry about that so much`
`02:05.20`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`and this is coming from someone who squeezes every last byte of efficiency out of memory`
`02:05.31`	`JoshBorke`	`how many fontstrings are you thinking?`
`02:05.37`	`JoshBorke`	`tooltips have 60 in them`
`02:05.47`	`Lej`	`let me see`
`02:05.53`	`JoshBorke`	`well, some do`
`02:06.36`	`Lej`	`somewhere around 71*3`
`02:06.47`	`JoshBorke`	`well that's quite a lot`
`02:07.05`	`Tem`	`why not use string.fomat?`
`02:07.15`	`Tem`	`s/fomat/format/`
`02:07.20`	`Lej`	`does it do tabs?`
`02:07.26`	`Tem`	`sigh`
`02:07.38`	`JoshBorke`	`>>> print(string.format('tab\tsee'))`
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`02:07.44`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`Tem: I think the issue is not lua`
`02:07.45`	`JoshBorke`	`no cide =(`
`02:07.54`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`it's the fact that FontString is ignoring whitespace, much like HTML does`
`02:08.07`	`Tem`	`Shirik\|zZz, fontstrings do not ignore whitespace`
`02:08.13`	`Tem`	`this I guarantee`
`02:08.15`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`in Lej's tests they do :P`
`02:08.17`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`that's all I'm going by`
`02:08.18`	`Lej`	`it doesn't ignore spaces at least`
`02:08.25`	`Tem`	`so then use spaces!`
`02:08.27`	`Lej`	`\t doesn't work for me`
`02:08.30`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`that wouldn't work in a table`
`02:08.35`	`Tem`	`and why not?`
`02:08.39`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`given that the font isn't constant width`
`02:08.46`	`Tem`	`that's why I said string.format`
`02:08.49`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`er...`
`02:08.56`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`how do you intend to use that to line up things?`
`02:09.05`	`Tem`	`facepalm`
`02:09.08`	`Lej`	`hehe`
`02:09.09`	`JoshBorke`	`what are you trying to do again?`
`02:09.13`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`because all I'm thinking right now is %20s%20s`
`02:09.19`	`Lej`	`I've used it to line up stuff in java :P`
`02:09.19`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`which.... won't get what you're looking for`
`02:09.41`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`because it fills it with spaces... which won't work because this isn't a constant width font`
`02:09.48`	`cogwheel\|linux`	`You could always use a fixed-width font... :P`
`02:10.04`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`but that's ugly`
`02:10.15`	`Tem`	`oh so, that's your problem?`
`02:10.23`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`yeah`
`02:10.25`	`Tem`	`yeah fuck it`
`02:10.27`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`well not my problem but`
`02:10.31`	`Tem`	`multiple fontstrings`
`02:10.32`	`Lej`	`Hey, I run irc with FixedSys`
`02:10.33`	`cogwheel\|linux`	`Well, then you'll just have to use different fontstrings for each column`
`02:10.34`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`I'd say... use multiple fontstrings`
`02:10.51`	`Lej`	`cogwheel wins`
`02:10.55`	`Lej`	`I'm an idiot`
`02:11.02`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`wait`
`02:11.04`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`I said that like`
`02:11.06`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`10 minutes ago!`
`02:11.08`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`how does he win?!`
`02:11.09`	`Tem`	`lol`
`02:11.16`	`Lej`	`you just say use multiple :P`
`02:11.17`	`Tem`	`you didn't mention one per column`
`02:11.20`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`22:03:44 �Shirik\|zZz� My approach would be to create multiple fontstrings, one for each string. I find that you can manipulate those much better anyway`
`02:11.24`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`:( fine`
`02:11.30`	`cladhaire`	`lol`
`02:11.31`	`cogwheel\|linux`	`I win 'cause i wasn't here for the conversation and i STILL came up with it :P`
`02:11.43`	`cladhaire`	`Shirik\|zZz: you're about as good at sleeping as Cairenn =)`
`02:11.53`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`heh`
`02:11.56`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`I was going to go to sleep`
`02:11.58`	`Cairenn`	`who, me?`
`02:12.00`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`but I get easily distracted`
`02:12.07`	`cogwheel\|linux`	`cladhaire: you should've seen how long Shirik\|Food took to go get food...`
`02:12.11`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`lol`
`02:12.54`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`that's impressive`
`02:12.59`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`your computer can become a laptop?`
`02:13.42`	`AnduinLothar`	`remote monitor and bluetooth keyboard imo`
`02:13.44`	`cogwheel\|laptop`	`heh... now that i'm putting linux on my desktop, i decided to change this one to say laptop`
`02:14.49`	`cogwheel\|laptop`	`boy... they sure did an awesome job on their forum maintenance today...`
`02:14.53`	`cogwheel\|laptop`	`</sarcasm>`
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`02:15.32`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`my forum got DoSed today :(`
`02:15.43`	`JoshBorke`	`~emulate cogwheel`
`02:15.44`	`purl`	`ACTION shakes its fist at the forums... http://ctscreens.net/5307`
`02:15.50`	`JoshBorke`	`purl hug Cairenn`
`02:15.51`	`purl`	`ACTION gets a running start and tackle-hugs Cairenn`
`02:16.27`	`Cairenn`	`purl, hug JoshBorke`
`02:16.30`	`purl`	`ACTION gets a running start and tackle-hugs JoshBorke`
`02:19.23`	`cogwheel\|laptop`	`purl, hug me`
`02:19.27`	`purl`	`ACTION jumps into cogwheel\|laptop's lap and huggles and hugs cogwheel\|laptop`
`02:19.47`	`JoshBorke`	`purl, massage Cairenn`
`02:19.48`	`purl`	`ACTION gives Cairenn a terribly relaxing full-body massage that puts Cairenn to sleep`
`02:19.48`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`purl, hug purl`
`02:19.51`	`purl`	`ACTION hugs purl`
`02:20.18`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`Cairenn purrs in her sleep?`
`02:21.08`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`right, slee`
`02:21.09`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`p`
`02:21.12`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`something I think I'll go do`
`02:21.14`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`night all`
`02:22.59`	`Cairenn`	`night Shirik\|zZz`
`02:25.50`	`Cairenn`	`new search is live on WoWI guys`
`02:25.55`	`zenzelezz`	`:-o`
`02:26.22`	`Cairenn`	`it's secksy`
`02:26.24`	`zenzelezz`	`woot, searching for Atlas finds Atlas! I love it already`
`02:26.38`	`cogwheel\|laptop`	`wootness!`
`02:26.49`	`cogwheel\|laptop`	`purl, hug Cairenn & dolby-wowi`
`02:26.50`	`purl`	`ACTION jumps into Cairenn & dolby-wowi's lap and huggles and hugs Cairenn & dolby-wowi`
`02:26.54`	`Cairenn`	`all dolby-wowi`
`02:27.02`	`cogwheel\|laptop`	`yeah, but you're the messenger :P`
`02:27.46`	`zenzelezz`	`you just make for a better hugee Cairenn`
`02:27.54`	`Cairenn`	`:)`
`02:30.07`	`JoshBorke`	`pul, huggy Cairenn`
`02:37.01`	`ckknight`	`Cairenn: all done updating`
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`02:37.14`	`Cairenn`	`ckknight: cool`
`02:37.28`	`Cairenn`	`think I was approving just about as fast as you were uploading`
`02:38.27`	`ckknight`	`if anyone wants a nice laugh, take a look at the filesize of Cartographer as time has progressed`
`02:38.27`	`ckknight`	`hehe`
`02:39.33`	`ckknight`	`3.09 MB -> 2.51 MB -> 1.72 MB -> 1.23 MB`
`02:39.35`	`ckknight`	`good times`
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`02:54.52`	`JoshBorke`	`due to what? removal of image files?`
`03:02.12`	`ckknight`	`yep`
`03:02.24`	`ckknight`	`uses on-the-fly generation of instance maps now`
`03:02.29`	`ckknight`	`for all of em`
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`03:10.48`	`Karrion`	`Cairenn: new search, nice...`
`03:11.03`	`Cairenn`	`:)`
`03:12.20`	`cogwheel\|laptop`	`were CE boxes supposed to come with both a horde & alliance starter decks of TCG?`
`03:12.31`	`Karrion`	`how flexible is it? might be nice to penalise the relevancy of mods in Outdated (or does it already?)`
`03:12.32`	`cogwheel\|laptop`	`'cause my wife got both alliance...`
`03:13.09`	`Cairenn`	`Karrion: not sure, dolby-wowi would be better able to answer you`
`03:13.31`	`Cairenn`	`but I do know that you can choose to exclude that category all together, if you want to`
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`03:15.17`	`Shadowed`	`yay for search that works!`
`03:15.52`	`Karrion`	`yeah, just idly curious (has nothing to do with a search for "poison" listing my poison mod after a couple of outdated mods... really... I promise.... >.>)`
`03:16.43`	`bleetah`	`oh crap`
`03:16.51`	`dolby-wowi`	`right now the score is only calculated by how many times it finds a match in the index for title, description, author`
`03:17.00`	`dolby-wowi`	`plan to improve that`
`03:17.10`	`bleetah`	`p-w.com is now pretty much all wowace stuff, since it got pushed out to wowi.. both feeds have swamped it`
`03:17.33`	`bleetah`	`*since some of it got pushed over to wowi`
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`03:18.44`	`cogwheel\|ubuntu`	`look there's two`
`03:18.45`	`cogwheel\|laptop`	`of me!`
`03:18.56`	`Thunder_Child`	`split personality`
`03:19.02`	`bleetah`	`they're breeding! aargh!`
`03:19.05`	`bleetah`	`FLEE!!!!!`
`03:19.41`	`Thunder_Child`	`this is worse than breeding it's replication!`
`03:24.33`	`cogwheel`	`argh... i hate getting 2-digit download speeds on a nearly 4-digit connection :(`
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`03:26.46`	`bleetah`	`does anyone know who has administrative control of the wowace webserver/s?`
`03:27.08`	`Cairenn`	`Kaelten`
`03:27.50`	`bleetah`	`thx Cairenn, trying to work out a way to shorten the RSS feed of their updates, so it doesn't 'kill' the planet-warcraft.com site`
`03:27.55`	`bleetah`	`Kaelten: ping`
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`03:30.11`	`Lej`	`how does one check if a frame is hidden?`
`03:30.45`	`batrick`	`Frame:IsHidden() i think`
`03:30.49`	`batrick`	`err`
`03:31.23`	`bleetah`	`clad\|sleep: for your please, I've increased the number of entries in the feed to an obscene amount, this should provide some form of 'archive' until such time as I actually implement a real archive ;)`
`03:31.44`	`Lej`	`can't find anything on Frame:IsHidden() on google`
`03:32.00`	`Lej`	`but Ill try`
`03:32.00`	`batrick`	`Frame:IsVisible()`
`03:32.06`	`batrick`	`inherited from Region`
`03:32.11`	`batrick`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/API_Region_IsVisible`
`03:33.01`	`Lej`	`aok`
`03:33.04`	`batrick`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Widget_API`
`03:33.16`	`Lej`	`was looking around there for hidden :P`
`03:33.27`	`batrick`	`Lej, when you look at frame, or anything else, look at what it inherits, if you don't find what you're looking for there, it's probably in the parent`
`03:33.47`	`batrick`	`"Frame has all of the methods from UIObject and Region, plus the following:"`
`03:33.50`	`batrick`	`^^`
`03:35.34`	`Lej`	`ack, reading... ;)`
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`03:54.03`	`cogwheel`	`yummy beryl...`
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`04:18.59`	`bleetah`	`beryl fails at disjoint screens with differing res`
`04:19.16`	`bleetah`	`or aspect ratio, still not quite sure`
`04:28.00`	`JoshBorke`	`k, nn`
`04:28.03`	`JoshBorke`	`purl, hug Cairenn`
`04:28.04`	`purl`	`ACTION sneaks up on Cairenn and suddenly hugs Cairenn tightly`
`04:28.10`	`Cairenn`	`night JoshBorke, sweet dreams`
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`04:37.50`	`cogwheel`	`hi Iriel`
`04:37.51`	`Cairenn`	`hey Iriel`
`04:38.21`	`bleetah`	`heya Iriel`
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`05:04.37`	`WobWork`	`bleetah: I found Beryl to be ... somewhat subpar on my graphics card`
`05:04.43`	`WobWork`	`but then again, my graphics card sucks badly`
`05:04.52`	`WobWork`	`so for what it -could- do, it did it really well`
`05:05.11`	`Bleeter`	`heh.. inspired to upgrade the card then?`
`05:05.53`	`Lej`	`there's a GetStringWidth() but not a GetStringHeight()?`
`05:06.21`	`Iriel`	`Lej the font height is available from the Font object`
`05:07.10`	`cogwheel`	`I'm really liking it :)`
`05:07.12`	`Iriel`	`Lej: StringHeight would be useful for some multi-line objects but I suspect its considered too expensive to be truly useful. You could likely simulate it`
`05:07.30`	`Lej`	`lines*fontheight I guess`
`05:07.30`	`WobWork`	`rofl`
`05:07.31`	`WobWork`	`http://unexpert.blogspot.com/2005/11/dear-leewen-please-excuse-comrade.html`
`05:07.40`	`WobWork`	`This Is So True`
`05:07.53`	`WobWork`	`This is also why I was so so so very glad I never got seriously sick in Beijing =P`
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`05:30.15`	`Lej`	`anyone some kind of mob that drop several of the same kind of items but they aren't stacked?`
`05:30.39`	`Lej`	`prospecting does this and it's slightly annoying,...`
`05:30.50`	`Lej`	`when you get 2 of the same sort of gem they aren't stacked`
`05:31.15`	`Iriel`	`Chests do that`
`05:33.02`	`Lej`	`to bad I'm not a rogue ^^`
`05:33.02`	`Lej`	`I'll have to find unlocked one`
`05:33.02`	`Lej`	`ss`
`05:33.03`	`Lej`	`but it should work`
`05:33.03`	`Iriel`	`You'll have to find an unlocked one with 2 of the same item`
`05:33.03`	`Iriel`	`that may be trickier 8-)`
`05:33.03`	`Karrion`	`drakk's blood is like that too`
`05:33.12`	`Lej`	`darkk in Ubrs? :P`
`05:33.29`	`Lej`	`maybe I can run into some low lvl instance and find chests`
`05:34.07`	`Karrion`	`yep, when he drops the blood for the horde ony key chain, he drops 2-3 of them only, and I'm _pretty_ sure they show up separately (at least if you master loot)`
`05:34.28`	`Karrion`	`but it has been a long time since I did it, so I could be wrong`
`05:34.32`	`Lej`	`might be a bit hard to test my addon that way tho :P`
`05:35.31`	`Lej`	`do Milk Barrels an dsuch have all item stacked?`
`05:36.22`	`bleetah`	`planet-warcraft.com has had a namechange, all the features you've never noticed before are now @ http://greatdarkplanet.org/`
`05:37.00`	`bleetah`	`(name inspired by a convo with WoWWiki's resident lore guru bagginsww)`
`05:37.23`	`bleetah`	`change due to conflict with gamespy, etc. etc.`
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`05:58.18`	`batrick`	`how do you get secure button to cast a spell if I have: "SetAttribute("spell", "Portal: Exodar")" in the OnLoad for the button?`
`05:58.28`	`batrick`	`I can't find anything on this : /`
`05:58.39`	`Iriel`	`self:SetAttribute("type", "spell")`
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`06:27.31`	`batrick`	`http://wowi.pastey.net/8425 Anyone see why my button: DMN_Minimap_DropDownButton1 isn't casting blink when I click it?`
`06:32.36`	`Iriel`	`Bah, 30 minutes of screwing around to discover I cant even /try/ compiz or beryl`
`06:38.33`	`Nom-`	`Afternoon lads`
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`06:38.51`	`Nom-`	`Anyone knoe of any programs for Windows to adjust the speed of fans (ie. Voltage) on motherboard fan headers?`
`06:38.55`	`Nom-`	`If they even exist ?`
`06:39.30`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`Speedfan`
`06:39.35`	`Nom-`	`Awesome`
`06:39.42`	`Nom-`	`I just found that seconds before you typed it lol`
`06:39.50`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`haha`
`06:39.51`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`it's awesome`
`06:39.59`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`temp control, SMART monitoring`
`06:40.03`	`Nom-`	`I've got a portable jet engine running`
`06:40.06`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`very small resource footprint`
`06:40.12`	`Nom-`	`So I need to drop it from it's standard 6000rpm to something more sane`
`06:40.17`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`ah`
`06:40.21`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`depends on the mobo`
`06:40.26`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`mine won't let me change anything`
`06:40.33`	`Nom-`	`Well I hope it will :/`
`06:40.40`	`Nom-`	`It's an nForce4 Chipset`
`06:41.02`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`mines pretty old and a bit of a POS`
`06:41.36`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i can't change the FSB speed on it without mucking around with RAM for hours`
`06:41.46`	`Nom-`	`hmm it doesn't pick up the mobo speed properly :/`
`06:41.52`	`Nom-`	`the mobo fan speed that is`
`06:42.15`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`check the settings`
`06:42.27`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`there may be some like nforce4 checkbox or something`
`06:42.40`	`Nom-`	`speed setting worked anyway lol`
`06:42.51`	`Nom-`	`omg silence`
`06:43.03`	`Nom-`	`put it down to 40%`
`06:43.06`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`my friend had TWO`
`06:43.07`	`Nom-`	`room is so quiet now`
`06:43.09`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`TWO`
`06:43.15`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`92mm tornado fans`
`06:43.24`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i made him hook that shit to a switch at the lan we were at`
`06:43.49`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`he'd power on his computer and it would sound like someone firing up a vacuum cleaner or jet or something`
`06:44.21`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`one could propel itself across a desk fast enough to disconnect the molex`
`06:44.44`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`if the sheer torque from it didn't send it spinning in circles`
`06:46.51`	`Bleeter`	`yay for random play!`
`06:46.52`	`Bleeter`	`np: Douglas Adams/BBC Radio - Pussy want his fish`
`06:47.21`	`Nom-`	`Yeah this portable jet engine is from my other computer which was noisy as hell`
`06:47.34`	`Nom-`	`I put manual rheostats on the outside of the case to turn it down`
`06:47.43`	`Nom-`	`It's a 120cfm sunon fan`
`06:48.00`	`Nom-`	`or 112cfm`
`06:48.04`	`Nom-`	`something insane like that`
`06:48.21`	`Bleeter`	`my mobo has a fan where I think the bearings are going.. I've got a replacement heatsink for it, but I fear removing the fan with stuff the chip up.. so.. it just happily and noisily grinds away`
`06:48.53`	`Nom-`	`gotta find speedfan config for Asus M2N4-SLI`
`06:48.54`	`Iriel`	`Bleeter: Can't you just replace the fan without removing the heatsink?`
`06:49.27`	`bleetah`	`Iriel: nah, I'm wanting to replace the fan on top of a chip with a heatsink`
`06:57.46`	`Nom-`	`bleh`
`06:57.54`	`Nom-`	`I don't think my motherboard is supported in Speedfan`
`06:58.01`	`Nom-`	`But at least I was able to turn the fan speed down`
`06:59.18`	`batrick`	`shouldn't UIFrameFadeOut() make the frame hidden after the time to fade has expired?`
`06:59.50`	`batrick`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`07:22.18`	`batrick`	`Iriel, I did what you said, and the button is unresponsive to left clicks: http://wowi.pastey.net/8428`
`07:22.32`	`batrick`	`i.e. it doesn't cast blink :S`
`07:22.38`	`[Ammo]`	`you have to do: button:RegisterForClicks("AnyUp")`
`07:22.45`	`Iriel`	`You didn't do what I said`
`07:22.51`	`Iriel`	`I said self:SetAttribute("type", "spell")`
`07:22.52`	`[Ammo]`	`or wait, I should read the pastey :p`
`07:22.53`	`batrick`	`well i thought i did :(`
`07:23.20`	`[Ammo]`	`add that line Iriel typed`
`07:24.12`	`[Ammo]`	`and read up on wowwiki: http://www.wowwiki.com/Secure_Frames_Overview#spell`
`07:24.24`	`batrick`	`i read that : /`
`07:27.01`	`[Ammo]`	`the type1 means leftclick binding`
`07:29.34`	`batrick`	`well I added what iriel said verbatim and it still doesn't work :(`
`07:29.35`	`batrick`	`http://wowi.pastey.net/8429`
`07:30.26`	`batrick`	`self:SetAttribute("type1", "spell")`
`07:30.29`	`batrick`	`tried that too`
`07:30.36`	`Iriel`	`Hm...`
`07:30.45`	`Iriel`	`The button is visible though, right?`
`07:30.48`	`batrick`	`ya`
`07:30.53`	`Iriel`	`And yu dont have any errors in your FrameXML.log ?`
`07:30.58`	`batrick`	`nope`
`07:31.07`	`batrick`	`err, let me double check`
`07:31.57`	`batrick`	`nope no errors`
`07:32.42`	`Iriel`	`Oh, why do you have "unit" "target" ?`
`07:32.51`	`Iriel`	`Do you have something targetted when you try using it?`
`07:32.54`	`batrick`	`wowwiki said you have to have that`
`07:33.04`	`batrick`	`omg`
`07:33.05`	`Iriel`	`You dont have to have that`
`07:33.11`	`Iriel`	`And it's just plain silly for Blink`
`07:33.21`	`batrick`	`"All secure frames must set a "unit" attribute, even if your intended usage of the button doesn't use a unit. Any secure frame that does not have a UnitId will fail to perform any action. "`
`07:33.27`	`batrick`	`ya i know ...`
`07:34.01`	`[Ammo]`	`then wowwiki is wrong on that`
`07:34.19`	`Iriel`	`whoever wrote that wowwiki page was mistaken`
`07:34.21`	`Iriel`	`You should correct it`
`07:34.34`	`batrick`	`lol ok`
`07:34.36`	`Iriel`	`you can either not set unit, or set it to "none"`
`07:34.59`	`Iriel`	`If you DO set it, then that unit must exist`
`07:38.02`	`batrick`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Secure_Frames_Overview#Creating_Secure_Frames`
`07:38.05`	`batrick`	`think that is better`
`07:38.35`	`batrick`	`time.wasted++`
`07:40.01`	`Iriel`	`heh`
`07:40.13`	`bleetah`	`nn Iriel`
`07:40.37`	`bleetah`	`anyone awake with a vague notion about patches and\|or gentoo, may get a mild smirk from this http://www.bleeter.org/why_i_don't_think_much_of_gentoo_users.txt`
`07:40.49`	`bleetah`	`'cept the URL may get all messed up in your IRC client`
`07:40.57`	`bleetah`	`and no, I ain't gunna change it :P`
`07:41.37`	`Nom-`	`LOL`
`07:41.50`	`Nom-`	`I've not got an updater from TBC => 2.0.3`
`07:41.53`	`Nom-`	`But i've got the rest`
`07:42.07`	`batrick`	`purl hug iriel`
`07:42.17`	`purl`	`ACTION sneaks up on iriel and suddenly hugs iriel tightly`
`07:42.17`	`Nom-`	`How annoying :)`
`07:42.17`	`batrick`	`bah`
`07:53.37`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`bonk.`
`07:57.25`	`Bleeter`	`<PROTECTED>`
`07:57.26`	`Bleeter`	`< moo >`
`07:57.26`	`Bleeter`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`07:59.00`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`your cow is broken`
`07:59.15`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`either that or i need to use monospace fonts`
`07:59.21`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`but they're so ugly :[`
`07:59.22`	`bleetah`	`no, it's fine. it's your proportional font`
`07:59.42`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`ah it looks good in fixedsys`
`07:59.55`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`but damn if fixedsys isnt ugly`
`08:02.26`	`Bleeter`	`<PROTECTED>`
`08:02.26`	`Bleeter`	`< baa >`
`08:02.26`	`Bleeter`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`08:02.26`	`Bleeter`	`<PROTECTED>`
`08:02.28`	`Nom-`	`pfft sif fixedsys`
`08:02.28`	`Bleeter`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`08:03.10`	`Nom-`	`purl: poke Shirik\|zZz`
`08:03.23`	`purl`	`ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Shirik\|zZz, pokes Shirik\|zZz repeatedly, hilarity ensues.`
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`08:07.59`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`what's the macro option for temporarily disabling smartselfcast or whatever, [target=none?]?`
`08:08.02`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`er`
`08:08.05`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`what's the macro option for temporarily disabling smartselfcast or whatever, [target=none]?`
`08:10.10`	`Bleeter`	`dunno, Mr_Rabies2`
`08:10.22`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`either way it still won't work with shaman weapons :[`
`08:10.26`	`Bleeter`	`but I've just spent some time hackerizing some stuff up.. I'll msg it to you`
`08:10.34`	`Bleeter`	`you better like it, or I'll have to lart you`
`08:10.55`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i have to mess around with canceling weapon buffs and reenabling them and stuff to get the enchants i wnat on them :[`
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`08:33.37`	`Nom-`	`hmmm ponder`
`08:33.51`	`Nom-`	`Not Prat I was using before...what's the common chat mods ?`
`08:33.55`	`Nom-`	`Chat fram mods`
`08:41.51`	`Nom-`	`Which one does things like [G] <Clickable Name:Level> Text`
`08:43.15`	`SunTiger`	`Many chat mods can produce that string`
`08:43.21`	`SunTiger`	`prat does it.`
`08:43.23`	`Nom-`	`By default :)`
`08:43.47`	`Nom-`	`grr, wish I could plug my old computer back in right now :(`
`08:45.21`	`Nom-`	`Prat doesn't change the chat frame as far as I can see`
`08:45.35`	`Nom-`	`Might have been PhanxChat...i know i at least tried that at seom point`
`08:47.25`	`Nom-`	`dolby-wowi++`
`08:47.32`	`Nom-`	`New search ROCKS`
`08:57.54`	`bleetah`	`oO new search is up and running?`
`08:57.58`	`bleetah`	`grats dolby-wowi :)`
`08:58.44`	`bleetah`	`and thanks for your hard work, too :D`
`09:00.14`	`Nom-`	`hmmm`
`09:00.19`	`Nom-`	`Where'd those Auras go in DHUD`
`09:00.31`	`Nom-`	`Like buffs which have < 30 seconds left showing up on the right of the HP bar`
`09:07.12`	`Nom-`	`Iriel\|Away: How's AfterCough coming along ?`
`09:20.27`	`Nom-`	`Love this new puter`
`09:20.35`	`Nom-`	`Like going from a mini to a ferrari`
`09:46.50`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`does lightning shield benefit from +spelldamage?`
`09:47.12`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i'm working on a new shaman build, since my old one was pretty much squashed by clearcasting being changed`
`09:50.41`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`thinking about something like http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=uE0uEcMqAotx0fz`
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`10:13.39`	`bleetah`	`Mr_Rabies2: re: your font comment earlier, i suspect you could do a lot worse than install http://dejavu.sourceforge.net/ and try out their mono typeface/s`
`10:19.29`	`Corrodias`	`how has clearcasting been changed?`
`10:23.26`	`Corrodias`	`wow, some people get really uptight about fonts`
`10:23.33`	`Corrodias`	`re: "Bitstream Vera Fonts"`
`10:25.12`	`Corrodias`	`i've been using Lucida Console for IRC`
`10:27.59`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`I've gotten so used to arial`
`10:28.09`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`I don't mind ascii art being screwed up for a couple seconds, sometimes it has some hilarious results`
`10:28.12`	`Corrodias`	`arial is nice, sure, but fixed width just makes that ascii art look so much... well, not fucked`
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`10:28.53`	`Corrodias`	`"And Sun Microsystems has applied it to hardware: Its UltraSparc T1 "Niagara" processor design is governed by the granddaddy of free and open-source licenses, the General Public License (GPL)."`
`10:29.51`	`Corrodias`	`what is "LGC" in the context of DejaVu?`
`10:30.15`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`was about to ask the same question`
`10:30.41`	`Corrodias`	`probably not something i need`
`10:30.42`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`Latin, Cryllic and Greek`
`10:30.45`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`apparently`
`10:31.21`	`Corrodias`	`does that mean the packages without "LGC" don't have characters for those languages?`
`10:31.31`	`Corrodias`	`can't be, they're larger...`
`10:31.47`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i think they do`
`10:31.47`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`dunno`
`10:32.58`	`Corrodias`	`i guess there's nothing for it but to download both and try to figure it out`
`10:33.52`	`Corrodias`	`i sent you messages`
`10:33.59`	`Corrodias`	`they contained text!`
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`10:35.35`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`come my minions, rise for your master`
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`10:37.45`	`Corrodias`	`Just a still town girl on a saturday night, lookin' for the fight of her life // In the real-time world no one sees her at all, they all say she's crazy`
`10:40.10`	`Corrodias`	`"All fonts are also available as derivative called DejaVu LGC with support`
`10:40.10`	`Corrodias`	`only for Latin, Greek and Cyrillic scripts."`
`10:41.39`	`Corrodias`	`http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/collecting_double_takes.png`
`10:47.12`	`Corrodias`	`i wish i could make firefox hold back a little downloading this porn. it's interrupting my song.`
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`12:29.06`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Anyone want a laugh?`
`12:29.07`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/User_talk:Whitewolf`
`12:29.07`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`You'll like that ^`
`12:29.09`	`nymbia`	`lol Kirkburn\|afk`
`12:29.19`	`Shirik`	`lol..`
`12:30.01`	`Shirik`	`I almost feel like I have to make an account just to make a reply...`
`12:30.06`	`JoshBorke`	`i see mikk hangs out on wowwiki but no longer in wowi :-(`
`12:30.21`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Nah, not really`
`12:30.25`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`He's barely around`
`12:30.37`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`About 1 edit every 2 days recently :(`
`12:31.05`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`For Whitewolf, I apparently now have to go and talk to myself about my conduct`
`12:31.55`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`"You've been a very naughty boy"`
`12:33.24`	`JoshBorke`	`erm, where is he pulling all of this crap?`
`12:33.56`	`JoshBorke`	`anyway, i'mma work on guildbook a little bit`
`12:33.59`	`JoshBorke`	`i'm close, i can feel it`
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`12:54.34`	`wobin`	`oh ffs`
`12:54.44`	`wobin`	`Wow no longer allows me to disable addons`
`12:54.48`	`wobin`	`rararararar`
`12:54.54`	`Shirik`	`?`
`12:55.49`	`JoshBorke`	`eh?`
`12:56.14`	`wobin`	`In wine, mind you`
`12:56.25`	`Shirik`	`oh yeah I thought that was just something I screwed up`
`12:56.25`	`wobin`	`I set the checkmarks as appropriate`
`12:56.29`	`Shirik`	`yeah and it just goes back`
`12:56.50`	`wobin`	`not even using ace to disable addons (which is the standard codewise) and /rl makes a differencef =\`
`12:57.02`	`wobin`	`s/)/ method)/`
`12:57.37`	`wobin`	`It''s quite annoying =\`
`12:58.15`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`rofl kirk`
`12:58.34`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`that guy seems like he's just a really good troll, honestly`
`12:58.38`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`either that or just really stupid`
`12:59.02`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`I know, it's too close to call!`
`12:59.38`	`Shirik`	`both?`
`13:01.53`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`good trolls generally are pretty smart`
`13:01.59`	`zenzelezz`	`good trolls are hard to come by`
`13:02.00`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`believeable ones, at least`
`13:02.13`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`yeah, at least on the wow forums`
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`13:03.01`	`Shirik`	`hmm`
`13:03.07`	`Shirik`	`is it worth getting up to go get pancakes...`
`13:03.07`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`oh btw those of you who are too poor to afford joana's guide, every single one of his videos is hosted on google video (by him)`
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`13:07.51`	`wobin`	`Shirik: I think I figured it out`
`13:07.58`	`wobin`	`My addons.txt had an empty entry`
`13:08.00`	`wobin`	`:disabled`
`13:08.02`	`JoshBorke`	`too bad it's horde :-(`
`13:08.12`	`Shirik`	`hmm`
`13:08.13`	`wobin`	`on deletion of that, it appears to save properly`
`13:08.18`	`Shirik`	`ok I'll have to try that`
`13:08.22`	`wobin`	`or :enabled maybe`
`13:08.23`	`Shirik`	`because I was having the exact same problem`
`13:08.46`	`Shirik`	`mm pancake time`
`13:08.48`	`Shirik`	`bbl`
`13:09.19`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i'm sorry, waffles > pancakes`
`13:11.11`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`not my choice`
`13:11.15`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`I'm not making em`
`13:13.11`	`wobin`	`Free pancakes > waffles`
`13:17.54`	`bleetah`	`timtams >> (pancakes\|waffles)`
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`13:23.03`	`wobin`	`It's true.`
`13:23.27`	`wobin`	`unless it's timtams -on- {pancakes\|waffles}`
`13:23.50`	`bleetah`	`nah, that'd ruin the timtam`
`13:23.55`	`bleetah`	`and where's the fun in that?`
`13:26.22`	`bleetah`	`well, now I think about it.. not amused by the second. that means I've stuffed up somewhere.. /sigh`
`13:26.23`	`bleetah`	`nn all`
`13:30.36`	`kaso`	`I sware i need a third monitor`
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`13:55.36`	`sysrage`	`you sware?`
`14:00.12`	`kaso`	`Yes?`
`14:00.40`	`kaso`	`swear`
`14:00.42`	`kaso`	`close enough`
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`14:17.54`	`LeilaMcK`	`anyone here?`
`14:18.27`	`LeilaMcK`	`i was hoping to get some help with auctioneer and bottom scanner... still trying to figure them out`
`14:18.33`	`kaso`	`I certaintly arent here`
`14:18.35`	`kaso`	`oh wait..`
`14:18.39`	`LeilaMcK`	`lol`
`14:18.50`	`kaso`	`is a problem using them you mean?`
`14:19.14`	`LeilaMcK`	`i'm trying to understand them a bit more. i run bottom scanner and get these popups suggesting items to purchase and resell....`
`14:19.41`	`LeilaMcK`	`but 9 times out of 10 these very same items show up as "can't be listed for lower" or something like that`
`14:19.50`	`LeilaMcK`	`just confused on how to best utilize these programs`
`14:20.51`	`LeilaMcK`	`also, when i run a scan using auctioneer, is this simply to rebatch the data pool for bottom scanner or should i be doing something with the list of items that show up after 12 minutes or so?`
`14:20.58`	`kaso`	`i cant say i know much about auctioneer im afraid, someone else here might be able to help you or, you can try in #norganna which is the auctioneer specific channel, though it tends to be quite quiet there`
`14:21.17`	`LeilaMcK`	`yea i'm logged in there now...very very quiet lol`
`14:21.36`	`LeilaMcK`	`thank you anyway though:)`
`14:22.05`	`LeilaMcK`	`take care!`
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`14:23.27`	`kaso`	`well i did say someone else in here might be able to help him :<`
`14:23.29`	`kaso`	`oh well`
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`14:51.51`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`I think i'm heading to bed, but before i do, i leave these wise words`
`14:52.00`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`Purple Drank, ima grip and sip.`
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`15:20.58`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Breaking news, ooooh =) http://gamepolitics.com/2007/03/16/breaking-take-two-sues-jack-thompson/`
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`15:26.13`	`cogwheel\|work`	`has res sickness always persisted across logins?`
`15:26.25`	`JoshBorke`	`yes`
`15:26.27`	`JoshBorke`	`it's a pita`
`15:26.35`	`Lej`	`stop dying? :P`
`15:26.45`	`Lej`	`or l2run ;)`
`15:26.50`	`Iriel`	`Interesting, so the clock doesn't run down when you're offline?`
`15:26.57`	`JoshBorke`	`no`
`15:27.02`	`JoshBorke`	`like the PvP debuffs`
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`15:28.45`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`deserter does now`
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`16:00.26`	`Lej`	`how do you delete an index and everything under it from a table?`
`16:00.41`	`kaso`	`table[index]=nil`
`16:01.06`	`Lej`	`thank you`
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`16:06.03`	`aib_`	`this channel is about wow interface customization right?`
`16:07.10`	`JoshBorke`	`we try to help`
`16:07.56`	`cogwheel\|work`	`it's a bit geared towards peopel writing mods as opposed to using mods, btw`
`16:08.05`	`cogwheel\|work`	`s/pel/ple/`
`16:08.07`	`aib_`	`how can I dynamically add text to a frame?`
`16:08.24`	`aib_`	`heh yea I kinda figured that :)`
`16:08.29`	`cogwheel\|work`	`CreateFontString, iirc`
`16:08.38`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/API_CreateFontString`
`16:08.41`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`=(`
`16:08.46`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`cogwheel\|work wins`
`16:08.52`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`wait`
`16:08.53`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`we both lose`
`16:08.58`	`aib_`	`I thought I'd read somewhere that FontString was deprecated?`
`16:09.13`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/API_Frame_CreateFontString ?`
`16:09.16`	`cogwheel\|work`	`Shirik\|AFK: no, it's just that it's a widget api`
`16:09.25`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`Fine T_T`
`16:09.58`	`cogwheel\|work`	`aib_: no... some of the font elements of buttons were deprecated in XML...`
`16:10.06`	`cogwheel\|work`	`but fontstrings themselves are fine afaik`
`16:10.12`	`aib_`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=API_Frame_CreateFontString&action=edit`
`16:10.33`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`Frame:CreateFontString(["name"[,"layer"[,"inheritsFrom"]]]) - Create and return a new FontString as a child of this Frame - Can instantiate virtuals in 1.11.`
`16:10.58`	`aib_`	`yup. was just looking at that.`
`16:11.07`	`aib_`	`oh I see... lemme try something`
`16:18.48`	`aib_`	`http://wowi.pastey.net/8451 - this is what I have. bgmod_status_text is a static fontstring I can display and update. I'm trying to dynamically create a similar one`
`16:18.59`	`aib_`	`local tt = BGMod_Status:CreateFontString("testtext", "lmain", "GameFontNormal");`
`16:19.35`	`aib_`	`this is what I have so far. It doesn't show up. I think I need to alter the positioning or anchoring or something.`
`16:19.44`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`you need to SetPoint()`
`16:19.56`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`a fontstring is still a frame. Though it gives itself a size, it still follows the same visibility rules`
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`16:20.01`	`cogwheel\|work`	`and Layer needs to be a defined layer (not something arbitrary)`
`16:20.42`	`aib_`	`cogwheel\|work: what do you mean?`
`16:20.43`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`Eh, ok a fontstring isn't a "frame" but it's a region`
`16:20.53`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`but region is what follows the visibility rules, not frame`
`16:20.57`	`aib_`	`hmm`
`16:21.05`	`aib_`	`so SetPoint and then :Show() ?`
`16:21.41`	`cogwheel\|work`	`aib_: BACKGROUND, BORDER, ARTWORK, OVERLAY, or HIGHLIGHT`
`16:22.15`	`aib_`	`ah`
`16:22.20`	`cogwheel\|work`	`just like the layer name in your xml`
`16:22.35`	`aib_`	`<Layer name="lmain" level="OVERLAY">`
`16:22.46`	`aib_`	`so instead of this I can just give "OVERLAY" as a parameter to CreateFontString?`
`16:22.51`	`cogwheel\|work`	`layers don't use names afaik`
`16:22.56`	`aib_`	`great, thanks`
`16:23.02`	`cogwheel\|work`	`you use windows?`
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`16:23.24`	`aib_`	`yes`
`16:23.34`	`cogwheel\|work`	`i'd recommend getting one of the visual studio express editions and using its xml editor`
`16:24.01`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`you might as well macro that saying :P`
`16:24.29`	`cogwheel\|work`	`Shirik: i need to make a HOWTO about setting it up but i don't feel like learning wiki formatting :P`
`16:24.40`	`Shirik`	`it's easy`
`16:25.16`	`aib_`	`I think I rather need a lua reference. Something that shows me what functions I can call on XML elements anyway`
`16:25.31`	`Shirik`	`you mean like http://www.wowwiki.com/Widget_API`
`16:25.31`	`cogwheel\|work`	`aib_: wowwiki.com`
`16:26.17`	`Shirik`	`~widget`
`16:26.18`	`purl`	`Widget isn't.`
`16:26.23`	`Shirik`	`?`
`16:26.46`	`cogwheel\|work`	`aib_: use the UI extractor & grab Blizzard Interface Data\FrameXML\UI.xsd and put it in your AddOns folder. Then for your XML file use this as your UI tag: http://wowi.pastey.net/8409?hi=2`
`16:27.43`	`cogwheel\|work`	`If you do that, Visual Studio's XML editor will know all the possible tags, values, and overall layout of Blizz's XML system and give you drop-down lists for tag names & attributes, and also show you any errors you may have`
`16:27.44`	`aib_`	`ah, so SetPoint is inherited from "Region"`
`16:27.54`	`Shirik`	`isn't StopAttack() protected now?`
`16:28.03`	`cogwheel\|work`	`probably`
`16:33.10`	`Shirik`	`interesting`
`16:33.11`	`Shirik`	`it's not`
`16:34.41`	`zenzelezz`	`well, it only stops auto-attack, doesn't it?`
`16:35.05`	`Shirik`	`correct`
`16:35.43`	`zenzelezz`	`not really sure how much harm doing that could cause`
`16:37.47`	`Shirik`	`just throwing random things out there: Automated turn off auto attack when your target is CCed?`
`16:37.57`	`Shirik`	`wonder if it requires a hardware event`
`16:39.18`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i think it used to`
`16:39.18`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`er`
`16:39.19`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`/stopcasting turns off autoattack right?`
`16:39.26`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`then "I think it used to"`
`16:39.30`	`Shirik`	`yes`
`16:39.34`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`forgot to ctrl enter`
`16:39.57`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i'm pretty sure that requires a hardware event, any stopcasting`
`16:39.57`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i dunno`
`16:40.12`	`Shirik`	`well it's impossible to run a macro without a hardware event`
`16:40.24`	`Shirik`	`so that's kinda a backwards way of looking at it`
`16:40.57`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`well i mean using script commands that do the same thing, isn't the only way to stop autoattacking some kind of stop casting script`
`16:41.01`	`Shirik`	`P(x)->Q does not imply Q->P(x)`
`16:41.19`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`hell i dunno, i'm the wrong person to try helping here :p`
`16:41.22`	`Shirik`	`heh`
`16:41.36`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i know about as much lua as i do mandarin chinese`
`16:41.37`	`Shirik`	`yes, there is a script command that does the same thing as StopAttack()`
`16:41.44`	`Shirik`	`in fact, /stopcasting directly calls StopAttack()`
`16:41.53`	`Shirik`	`but that doesn't mean that StopAttack() can only be done when /stopcasting can be done`
`16:42.37`	`Shirik`	`It is true that /stopcasting can only be done from a hardware event, specifically because macros can only be run via a hardware event. But that doesn't imply that StopAttack() has the same restriction`
`16:44.28`	`nevcairiel`	`stopattack() does not "stop casting" tho.`
`16:46.13`	`Shirik`	`er`
`16:46.14`	`Shirik`	`sorry`
`16:46.16`	`Shirik`	`I meant /stopattack`
`16:47.04`	`Iriel`	`I think it's worth being careful about statements like 'because macros can only be run via a hardware event'`
`16:47.24`	`Shirik`	`I don't see a way they can be run otherwise`
`16:47.25`	`Iriel`	`Technically macros CAN run whenever they want, but they only run from trusted code`
`16:47.41`	`Shirik`	`Ok, that's true`
`16:47.57`	`Shirik`	`But the only time trusted code runs them is in response to a hardware event`
`16:48.00`	`Iriel`	`Different functions have different sets of protected/hardware restrictions`
`16:48.05`	`Iriel`	`Currently, yes.`
`16:48.09`	`aib_`	`is it possible to create anchor points?`
`16:48.20`	`Shirik`	`you want fs:SetPoint()`
`16:48.24`	`Iriel`	`aib_: Beyond the 9 that exist, no`
`16:48.34`	`Shirik`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/API_Region_SetPoint`
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`16:49.05`	`aib_`	`ok thanks`
`16:49.11`	`aib_`	`Shirik: yes I was just working on that :)`
`16:49.35`	`Shirik`	`The points you have to work with: http://www.wowwiki.com/API_Positions`
`16:50.44`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`blarghhh`
`16:50.51`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i hope 2.1 hits the ptr soon`
`16:51.44`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i want to try epic flight form out as long as it doesnt require a dozen instance runs and a 200 part quest`
`16:53.18`	`nevcairiel`	`it still requires 5000 gold, which i dont have, and prolly never will have :(`
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`16:54.41`	`JoshBorke`	`5kg makes me sad`
`16:55.03`	`nevcairiel`	`poor healing players`
`16:55.07`	`nevcairiel`	`i need an npc`
`16:55.09`	`nevcairiel`	`which kills for me`
`16:55.14`	`nevcairiel`	`but needs extensive healing`
`16:55.20`	`JoshBorke`	`lol`
`16:55.42`	`Iriel`	`Just adopt a passing mage?`
`16:55.47`	`nevcairiel`	`heh`
`16:57.27`	`Hallu2`	`yes`
`16:57.48`	`Hallu2`	`as a mage healers often adopt me when I'm out solo`
`16:58.27`	`nevcairiel`	`seriously, blizzard should add that as s simple possibility for raid-specced healers to actually farm stuff .. just hire a mercenary of some sort, which dies alone very quick, so no non-healer can actually benefit from it`
`16:59.45`	`pastamancer`	`just make the 41 pt talent in resto trees a pet`
`17:00.06`	`aib_`	`/console reloadui will reload the entire UI.. is there a way to reload only a specific addon?`
`17:00.17`	`Iriel`	`aib_: No`
`17:00.29`	`JoshBorke`	`disable all other addons before logging in`
`17:00.42`	`Iriel`	`nevcairiel: How's that fair to all the other classes?`
`17:01.26`	`Iriel`	`nevcairiel: If you had to choose a particularly useless spec for the benefit of your raiding group, then they should damn well be helping YOU outside the raid`
`17:03.19`	`nevcairiel`	`everybody knows, that noone will farm any healer any gold so that they can buy their epic mount :P`
`17:03.36`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`<nevcairiel> it still requires 5000 gold, which i dont have, and prolly never will have :(`
`17:03.38`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`well yeah`
`17:03.41`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i have 3000,`
`17:03.53`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`copy char 2x, and see what's next`
`17:04.27`	`nevcairiel`	`Mr_Rabies2: good for testing server..`
`17:04.45`	`Shirik`	`nevcairiel If it makes you feel any better`
`17:04.48`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`well i said "try" the form :p`
`17:04.50`	`Shirik`	`I'm sure I'm a lot further away than you are`
`17:05.14`	`Hallu2`	`we all have to make sacrafices`
`17:05.26`	`Hallu2`	`I would spec differently if I didn't raid too`
`17:05.57`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i sacrificed being told what to do with my money by some poopsocker to enjoy the game`
`17:06.15`	`Hallu2`	`atm my guild is basically "spec how you want"`
`17:06.37`	`Hallu2`	`and we have shamans dpsing in raids, druids offtanking, priests dpsing`
`17:06.44`	`Hallu2`	`shadow priests are amazing atm`
`17:07.07`	`Hallu2`	`and we just downed gruul and everyone was spec'd how they wanted to spec`
`17:07.27`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`they're the only class in the game that can switch from meaningful damage to meaningful healing in the same fight`
`17:07.55`	`Hallu2`	`which class?`
`17:08.00`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`priests`
`17:08.01`	`JoshBorke`	`priests`
`17:08.02`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`specifically shadow`
`17:08.02`	`Hallu2`	`ah`
`17:08.03`	`Hallu2`	`yeah`
`17:08.25`	`Hallu2`	`actually, our elemental shaman and our enhancement shaman are both putting out impressive DPS`
`17:08.40`	`Hallu2`	`like really impressive DPS`
`17:08.47`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i'm going elemental on my shammy i think`
`17:08.54`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`once i get the gear`
`17:09.06`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`enhancement has no control at all`
`17:09.11`	`Hallu2`	`so much so that as a mage with better +damage, +crit, and +hit I really have to be on the ball or they will outdps me hard.`
`17:09.46`	`Hallu2`	`lightning overload`
`17:09.48`	`Hallu2`	`haxz`
`17:09.55`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`thinking about http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=uE0uEcMqAotx0fz`
`17:09.59`	`sysrage`	`mages ftw`
`17:10.04`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`currently i'm....`
`17:10.40`	`aib_`	`do fontstring names have to be unique? I won't be needing unique names since I will be accessing them using variables and not their names`
`17:11.07`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`something like this right now: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=uZxVcdV0sVuq`
`17:11.12`	`JoshBorke`	`they don't have to have names at all`
`17:11.42`	`Iriel`	`aib_: They dont need names at all, just pass in nil`
`17:11.42`	`aib_`	`right, thanks`
`17:11.42`	`JoshBorke`	`if a new fontstring takes a name of an old fontstring, you lose the reference to it from getglobal(<name>) (the old one that is)`
`17:12.27`	`subbawt`	`Does anyone know anything about these jewelcrafting items with charges? Specifically: are they rechargable?`
`17:12.28`	`Hallu2`	`the +hit from resto is good to have for elemental shaman`
`17:13.12`	`Shirik`	`subbawt: My guess would be that they hit zero and bye bye`
`17:13.19`	`Shirik`	`just like other things like mana oil`
`17:13.24`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`<Hallu2> the +hit from resto is good to have for elemental shaman`
`17:13.28`	`Industrial`	`anyone know if the US account page is inactive?`
`17:13.29`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge Kirov (n=Kirov@204.155.78.140)`
`17:13.35`	`Industrial`	`er, doesnt work*`
`17:13.39`	`Shirik`	`got a link?`
`17:13.55`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`yeah, but i gotta give up on 2h weaps that aren't staves, extra lightning shield damage, and more mana`
`17:14.01`	`Industrial`	`https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/login/login?service=https%3A%2F%2Fworldofwarcraft.com%2Faccount%2Findex.html`
`17:14.05`	`Industrial`	`getting a 503`
`17:14.09`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`LS takes +dmg into account, right?`
`17:14.26`	`Shirik`	`If you're getting a 500 class error it's not going to be just you :P`
`17:14.26`	`Industrial`	`(service temporarily unavailable aka it made a booboo)`
`17:14.31`	`Shirik`	`It would be the server`
`17:14.36`	`Shirik`	`and yes I'm getting the same`
`17:14.40`	`Industrial`	`:9`
`17:14.40`	`Industrial`	`:(`
`17:15.08`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`ooh wait i can take points out of fire totems`
`17:15.09`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`but hrm`
`17:15.26`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i dunno i think i'd take points out of totem of wrath before fire totem damage since they benefit from +dmg`
`17:15.29`	`Shirik`	`HTTP status codes are very specific. You can tell the exact implications of them just from the code.`
`17:15.42`	`Shirik`	`Even for codes that do redirects, they tell you if it's permanent or temporary, etc.`
`17:16.05`	`Hallu2`	`http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/#character-talents.xml?r=Nazjatar&n=Desertswarm`
`17:16.52`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/#character-sheet.xml?r=Cho%27gall&n=Seibar`
`17:16.52`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`heh`
`17:17.30`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i miss having 942 AP at level 42 :[`
`17:17.39`	`Hallu2`	`hehe`
`17:17.54`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`wtb old rockbiter back`
`17:18.06`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`also what enchants would you recommend for my weaps?`
`17:18.08`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`dual windfury?`
`17:19.16`	`subbawt`	`even with the nerf dual windfury is supposedly the best combo still`
`17:19.28`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`depends on weap speed`
`17:19.36`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`mine are freaking fast`
`17:19.49`	`subbawt`	`well, basically you want slow weapons now :P`
`17:19.50`	`cogwheel\|work`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/HOWTO:_Set_up_Visual_Studio_for_WoW_XML`
`17:19.55`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`so the cooldown may hit me pretty hard`
`17:20.09`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`gl finding decent slow offhands :/`
`17:20.58`	`[dRaCo]`	`fiery weapon is worth considering`
`17:21.04`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`oh and the dps from rockbiter: cut in half by offhand?`
`17:21.13`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`eh not really for enhancement`
`17:21.18`	`aib_`	`cogwheel\|work: did you just write that?`
`17:21.23`	`cogwheel\|work`	`yeah`
`17:21.25`	`aib_`	`nice :)`
`17:22.10`	`[dRaCo]`	`well, I do sometimes use fiery weapon, since it's elemental damage and doesn't get reduced by armor`
`17:25.17`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/shaman/talents.html?0000000000000000000050052321050013053115135200350000000000000 if i decide to stick with enhancement?`
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`17:31.52`	`[dRaCo]`	`something like that, yeah... I don't use ghost wolf at all, so I prolly would use those points somewhere else`
`17:33.19`	`Shirik`	`ha`
`17:33.19`	`Shirik`	`Cog`
`17:33.24`	`Shirik`	`you went ahead and did it`
`17:33.42`	`cogwheel\|work`	`yeah well...`
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`17:34.15`	`Shirik`	`wiki syntax is easy, isn't it?`
`17:35.05`	`Iriel`	`very easy`
`17:35.14`	`Iriel`	`It gets a bit more complex if you want to do something fancy like a table`
`17:35.22`	`Iriel`	`but for basic 'content' it's really straightforward`
`17:35.31`	`cogwheel\|work`	`Yeah, but i'm pretty sure it pushed some other small things out of my brain that my wife will remind me about later ><`
`17:36.08`	`Iriel`	`If she'll remind you then it's not a problem!`
`17:36.27`	`JoshBorke`	`yea, why try to do the work of 2? just let her remember everything for you`
`17:37.04`	`Iriel`	`Apart from anniversaries and birthdays, unless you dont value your life`
`17:37.58`	`JoshBorke`	`that's what calendars are for :-D`
`17:38.28`	`cogwheel\|work`	`well see, that's the thing... last month was our 5 year wedding anniversary, so i forgot about our 7 year "together" anniversary this month XD`
`17:39.09`	`Shirik`	`>>> return type(math);`
`17:39.10`	`Cide`	`Shirik: "table"`
`17:39.19`	`Shirik`	`>>> return math.log(2.7182818284590452353602874713527);`
`17:39.19`	`Cide`	`Shirik: 1`
`17:39.29`	`Shirik`	`math.log does the natural log?`
`17:39.44`	`cogwheel\|work`	`Shirik: http://www.lua.org/pil/`
`17:39.46`	`cogwheel\|work`	`::P`
`17:39.50`	`Shirik`	`it's too far away ><`
`17:40.20`	`cogwheel\|work`	`>>> log(2.7182818284590452353602874713527);`
`17:40.21`	`Cide`	`cogwheel\|work: 1`
`17:40.46`	`cogwheel\|work`	`>>> 1, 2, 3`
`17:40.47`	`Cide`	`cogwheel\|work: 1, 2, 3`
`17:41.26`	`cogwheel\|work`	`>>> cos(3.14159265358979323846264338327950)`
`17:41.27`	`Cide`	`cogwheel\|work: -1`
`17:42.19`	`aib_`	`>>> (123 / 60)`
`17:42.20`	`Cide`	`aib_: 2.05`
`17:44.30`	`aib_`	`>>> math.mod(123, 60)`
`17:44.31`	`Cide`	`aib_: [string "math.mod(123, 60)"]:1: attempt to call field 'mod' (a nil value)`
`17:44.33`	`subbawt`	`bah i can't find a buff bar mod i like :\`
`17:44.44`	`aib_`	`>>> return math.mod(123, 60);`
`17:44.45`	`Cide`	`aib_: [string "return math.mod(123, 60);"]:1: attempt to call field 'mod' (a nil value)`
`17:45.01`	`Cide`	`>>> 123%60`
`17:45.01`	`Cide`	`Cide: 3`
`17:45.07`	`Cide`	`>>> math.fmod(123, 60)`
`17:45.08`	`Cide`	`Cide: 3`
`17:45.33`	`cogwheel\|work`	`aib_: Cide uses my lua511wow project if you want more info on its configuration... http://sf.net/projects/lua511wow`
`17:45.44`	`aib_`	`how strange that http://www.lua.org/pil/3.1.html doesn't mention %`
`17:46.00`	`cogwheel\|work`	`aib_: the pil on that site is first edition and only covers 5.0`
`17:46.10`	`cogwheel\|work`	`the 2nd edition is still print-only`
`17:46.33`	`aib_`	`I'm guessing wow uses 5.11?`
`17:46.38`	`cogwheel\|work`	`yep`
`17:46.42`	`Cide`	`>>> _VERSION`
`17:46.42`	`Cide`	`Cide: "Lua 5.1"`
`17:46.59`	`aib_`	`hmm, wowwiki mentions that is uses 5.0 somewhere, they should probably change that`
`17:47.14`	`cogwheel\|work`	`it did until december`
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`17:47.40`	`cogwheel\|work`	`FYI: http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#7`
`17:53.28`	`Shirik`	`the only pages I see that say it uses 5.0 are pages with this tag:`
`17:53.30`	`Shirik`	`"Much of the information in this article is badly out of date.`
`17:53.30`	`Shirik`	`For one, you no longer need to modify FrameXML in order to add code to WoW (yes, that's how badly out of date it is).`
`17:54.03`	`cogwheel\|work`	`more to the point, you no longer CAN modify FrameXML`
`17:54.37`	`aib_`	`I had about 15 tabs open on wowwiki a few hours earlier`
`17:54.41`	`aib_`	`might have missed that warning :)`
`17:59.37`	`Kaso`	`What changed between 5.1 and 5.11 ?`
`18:00.05`	`Iriel`	`WoW is 5.1.1`
`18:00.12`	`Kaso`	`oh`
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`18:00.43`	`cogwheel\|work`	`Kaso: i'm pretty sure 5.1.1 is just a bug fix over 5.1, though #lua would probably have a better answer :)`
`18:01.17`	`Kaso`	`Well seeing as lua uses 5.1.1 i dont care anymore :> always thought the minor patch came out after wow switched for some reason`
`18:01.41`	`Kaso`	`how come the _VERSION variable doesn't hold the revision ?`
`18:02.18`	`aib_`	`apparently auto-/afk overwrites /dnd.... meh`
`18:03.48`	`Iriel`	`Kaso: because code shouldn't care`
`18:04.42`	`Kaso`	`true, i guess.`
`18:08.35`	`Iriel`	`5.1.1 is just 5.1 with bug fixes`
`18:08.57`	`cogwheel\|work`	`And slouken probably hacked it to pieces anyway :P`
`18:09.17`	`Iriel`	`I think he tries to keep his changes as clean as possible to enable upgrades later`
`18:10.52`	`zenzelezz`	`with soap and water`
`18:11.18`	`cogwheel\|work`	`zenzelezz: I had never heard of that usage of "taint" until the 2.0 changes were announced...`
`18:11.27`	`Iriel`	`When we attempted to dissasemble the 5.0 taint model from the outside we came to the conclusion it was stored in the lua object referenec structure`
`18:11.58`	`zenzelezz`	`cogwheel\|work: I'm Norwegian, I can make English words mean anything`
`18:12.09`	`Iriel`	`("disassemble from the outside" meaning "divine its implementation by a process of black box tests" not "disassemble the wow executiable")`
`18:12.53`	`cogwheel\|work`	`awww... but that sounded like fun`
`18:13.36`	`aib_`	`how do you do casts in Lua?`
`18:13.37`	`Shirik`	`aww`
`18:13.39`	`Shirik`	`that's what I was thinking to`
`18:13.41`	`Shirik`	`aib_ you don't`
`18:13.50`	`Shirik`	`well, it depends on what you mean`
`18:13.55`	`Iriel`	`aib_ you dont do casts, per se, but there's tostring, and tonumber`
`18:14.00`	`cogwheel\|work`	`you have tostring & tonumber`
`18:14.03`	`Shirik`	`oh those casts >.>`
`18:14.07`	`Shirik`	`I was thinking cast spell`
`18:14.10`	`aib_`	`hmm, how about float-to-int ?`
`18:14.11`	`Kaso`	`haha`
`18:14.12`	`aib_`	`lol`
`18:14.16`	`cogwheel\|work`	`aib_: no such thing`
`18:14.17`	`Iriel`	`But they're not casts, they're just conversions`
`18:14.18`	`Shirik`	`Yeah, aib_, lua is not type-strict language`
`18:14.25`	`Shirik`	`there is no such thing as an integer or float`
`18:14.27`	`Kaso`	`lua just has number :3`
`18:14.29`	`Iriel`	`lua doesn't have any int types, you can always floor a float`
`18:14.33`	`Shirik`	`>>> return type(3), type(3.5);`
`18:14.33`	`Cide`	`Shirik: "number", "number"`
`18:14.42`	`Shirik`	`>>> return type(3)==type(3.5);`
`18:14.42`	`Cide`	`Shirik: true`
`18:14.47`	`aib_`	`floor doesn't necessarily concatenate tho`
`18:14.55`	`cogwheel\|work`	`>>> floor(3.14159265358979323846264338327950)`
`18:14.55`	`Cide`	`cogwheel\|work: 3`
`18:15.01`	`aib_`	`>>> type(math.ipart)`
`18:15.02`	`Cide`	`aib_: "nil"`
`18:15.11`	`aib_`	`>>> type(math.floor)`
`18:15.11`	`Cide`	`aib_: "function"`
`18:15.29`	`Shirik`	`if you want the ipart of a floating-point number, simply use this`
`18:15.31`	`cogwheel\|work`	`aib_: floor returns the nearest integer less than or equal to the number`
`18:15.49`	`Iriel`	`Forgive my possible ignorance, but what on earth do you mean by "concatenate" in the context of math.floor?`
`18:15.55`	`Shirik`	`function ipart(n) if (n < 0) return math.ceil(n); else return math.floor(n); end`
`18:16.00`	`aib_`	`Iriel: return the integer part`
`18:16.08`	`aib_`	`err it's not concatenate`
`18:16.14`	`cogwheel\|work`	`ah... floor(-3.5) = -4`
`18:16.19`	`aib_`	`there was a concat something word for it`
`18:16.22`	`Shirik`	`>>> function ipart(n) if (n < 0) return math.ceil(n); else return math.floor(n); end return ipart(-2.5), ipart(0.0), ipart(5.5);`
`18:16.23`	`Cide`	`Shirik: attempt to call a nil value`
`18:16.29`	`Shirik`	`oops`
`18:16.32`	`aib_`	`lol`
`18:17.00`	`Shirik`	`oh damn it`
`18:17.03`	`Shirik`	`I always forget "then"`
`18:17.07`	`Shirik`	`>>> function ipart(n) if (n < 0) then return math.ceil(n); else return math.floor(n); end return ipart(-2.5), ipart(0.0), ipart(5.5);`
`18:17.07`	`Cide`	`Shirik: attempt to call a nil value`
`18:17.11`	`Shirik`	`!!!!`
`18:17.14`	`aib_`	`well this is inside a for loop inside a frame onUpdate function so I was trying to do it as fast as possible`
`18:17.20`	`Shirik`	`>>> function ipart(n) if (n < 0) then return math.ceil(n); else return math.floor(n); end end return ipart(-2.5), ipart(0.0), ipart(5.5);`
`18:17.20`	`Cide`	`Shirik: -2, 0, 5`
`18:17.21`	`aib_`	`I think I'll leave the negative numbers bugged for now`
`18:17.22`	`Shirik`	`There.`
`18:17.44`	`cogwheel\|work`	`since you're using wow, you don't need the "math."`
`18:17.53`	`cogwheel\|work`	`makes it more concise and a bit more efficient to boot`
`18:18.12`	`Shirik`	`I don't know what synonyms Cide has :P`
`18:18.17`	`aib_`	`ahh, good to know`
`18:18.28`	`cogwheel\|work`	`[10:45]<cogwheel\|work>aib_: Cide uses my lua511wow project if you want more info on its configuration... http://sf.net/projects/lua511wow`
`18:18.34`	`Iriel`	`If you're going to call it a LOT you should locally bind it anyway 8-)`
`18:18.39`	`cogwheel\|work`	`yep`
`18:18.56`	`Iriel`	`Personally I try and use the namespaced versions anyway because the aliases are more for compatibility with old code than anything else`
`18:19.00`	`Shirik`	`if I made an addon that used nothing but globals, would you kill me?`
`18:19.13`	`Kaso`	`yes`
`18:19.17`	`pastamancer`	`>>> return int(5.5)`
`18:19.17`	`Cide`	`pastamancer: [string "return int(5.5)"]:1: attempt to call global 'int' (a nil value)`
`18:19.17`	`cogwheel\|work`	`depends`
`18:19.45`	`cogwheel\|work`	`if the whole point of your addon was to make a global function and the function didn't use any variables that aren't already global, then there wouldn't be any problem.`
`18:19.49`	`Iriel`	`If all of the globals were globals for a good reason, that's absolutely fine`
`18:20.00`	`Shirik`	`it was more of a joke than anything ><`
`18:20.05`	`Iriel`	`if it's because you're too lazy to type l o c a l <space> then we'd have to kill you`
`18:20.08`	`Iriel`	`globally`
`18:20.17`	`Kaso`	`ha`
`18:20.22`	`aib_`	`ok now I'm in an infinite loop trying to find out the word that means "ignore the floating part"... the word instead of which I used 'concatenate'`
`18:20.27`	`Shirik`	`what if it wasn't because of either of those reasons`
`18:20.30`	`aib_`	`I wanna say "castrate"...`
`18:20.32`	`Shirik`	`maybe just to see what your reaction would be`
`18:20.37`	`cogwheel\|work`	`truncate`
`18:20.55`	`cogwheel\|work`	`~dict truncate`
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`18:21.26`	`Kaso`	`making all vars global is a key example of beginner programmers in wow`
`18:21.39`	`Kaso`	`just wait till they make "table" or "string" variables <3`
`18:22.12`	`Shirik`	`Making all vars global is a key example of beginner programmers in almost any language`
`18:22.12`	`aib_`	`all my constants are global and prefixed with ModName_`
`18:22.12`	`cogwheel\|work`	`Kaso: you mean like mortius did? :P`
`18:22.12`	`Shirik`	`Proper use of scope is a good thing`
`18:22.12`	`Kaso`	`mmhm`
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`18:22.26`	`Shirik`	`aib: You should consider making a ModName table`
`18:22.35`	`Shirik`	`then putting everything inside it`
`18:22.55`	`aib_`	`constants = {red={255,0,0}, sort, of, thing} ?`
`18:23.06`	`Shirik`	`you could do something like constants = {}`
`18:23.11`	`Shirik`	`then constants.red = {255,0,0}`
`18:23.13`	`Shirik`	`etc,`
`18:23.17`	`Iriel`	`that's only ok if constants is local`
`18:23.20`	`Shirik`	`but yeah`
`18:23.21`	`Kaso`	`You can even just make use addon's frame (if it has one)`
`18:23.28`	`Shirik`	`Better yet would be ModName.constants = {}`
`18:23.30`	`Iriel`	`if you make a global variable called constants, we'll have to kill you, again`
`18:23.48`	`Shirik`	`or something like I do:`
`18:23.49`	`Kaso`	`local MyMod = CreateFrame("Frame","MyMod") MyMod.constant = 1`
`18:24.06`	`Shirik`	`ModName = {}; ModName.constants = {}; local constants = ModName.constants;`
`18:24.50`	`aib_`	`lemme see how other addons do it..`
`18:25.03`	`Shirik`	`choose wisely`
`18:25.10`	`Shirik`	`unfortunately there are a lot of novice programmers`
`18:25.22`	`Shirik`	`so jumping on the bandwagon isn't always the best thing`
`18:26.36`	`Shirik`	`oh wow`
`18:26.45`	`Shirik`	`>>> return math.modf(5.3)`
`18:26.45`	`Cide`	`Shirik: 5, 0.3`
`18:26.50`	`Shirik`	`there's your ipart()`
`18:27.06`	`cogwheel\|work`	`>>> return math.modf(-5.3)`
`18:27.06`	`Cide`	`cogwheel\|work: -5, -0.3`
`18:27.10`	`aib_`	`>>> return type(math.modf(3.3));`
`18:27.10`	`Cide`	`aib_: "number"`
`18:27.29`	`aib_`	`>>> x,y = math.modf(1.2); print(x); print(y);`
`18:27.29`	`Cide`	`aib_: 1, 0.2`
`18:27.57`	`aib_`	`>>> local x, local y = math.modf(1.2);`
`18:27.57`	`Cide`	`aib_: attempt to call a nil value`
`18:28.05`	`aib_`	`>>> local x, y; x,y = math.modf(1.2);`
`18:28.05`	`Cide`	`aib_:`
`18:28.19`	`Shirik`	`You never returned nor printed anything`
`18:28.49`	`aib_`	`that's ok, I was looking for the right syntax`
`18:28.49`	`cogwheel\|work`	`local x, y = math.modf(1.2) print(type(x), type(y))`
`18:28.55`	`cogwheel\|work`	`>>> local x, y = math.modf(1.2) print(type(x), type(y))`
`18:28.56`	`Cide`	`cogwheel\|work: "number", "number"`
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`18:29.56`	`aib_`	`>>> const x;`
`18:29.56`	`Cide`	`aib_: attempt to call a nil value`
`18:29.58`	`aib_`	`:/`
`18:30.18`	`Kaso`	`const ?`
`18:30.28`	`Shirik`	`there's no such thing as a constant in lua`
`18:30.37`	`aib_`	`can local variables in file scope be accessed from within functions?`
`18:30.47`	`cogwheel\|work`	`http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#2.1`
`18:31.19`	`cogwheel\|work`	`(that link was in reference to looking for const)`
`18:31.40`	`cogwheel\|work`	`http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#2.3 for scope`
`18:32.12`	`Shirik`	`>>> return math.huge() * 0;`
`18:32.12`	`Cide`	`Shirik: [string "return math.huge() * 0;"]:1: attempt to call field 'huge' (a number value)`
`18:32.16`	`Shirik`	`>>> return math.huge * 0;`
`18:32.16`	`Cide`	`Shirik: -1.#IND`
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`18:32.28`	`cogwheel\|work`	`Shirik: don't need return...`
`18:32.33`	`Shirik`	`it's a habit now ><`
`18:32.56`	`cogwheel\|work`	`>>> math.huge`
`18:32.57`	`Cide`	`cogwheel\|work: 1.#INF`
`18:34.22`	`Kaso`	`i thought Cide as going to impliment my ansi colors >.<`
`18:34.29`	`Kaso`	`make the lua spam stand out from normal chat`
`18:34.42`	`Shirik`	`We could all just wrap it with my gradient function`
`18:35.15`	`cogwheel\|work`	`Kaso: did you give the codes to him?`
`18:35.17`	`Shirik`	`but if a color is chosen, it has to be discussed by everyone`
`18:35.27`	`Shirik`	`because some colors that may make sense would look horrible to others`
`18:35.32`	`Shirik`	`3`
`18:35.37`	`Kaso`	`yah i gave him a table and a function which would allow him to print color coded words.`
`18:35.42`	`Shirik`	`3Like I'm willing to bet this looks fine to you, but this looks like crap to me`
`18:35.52`	`Kaso`	`hmm`
`18:35.59`	`cogwheel\|work`	`can you set BG color on the output?`
`18:36.00`	`Kaso`	`whynot just give everything a black background + color`
`18:36.04`	`Kaso`	`yah you can`
`18:36.43`	`Shirik`	`black background wouldn't look any different to me :P`
`18:36.57`	`Shirik`	`but I guess if you changed the color as well`
`18:36.58`	`Kaso`	`well how does green not show up on black?`
`18:37.05`	`Shirik`	`it's kinda hard for me to see`
`18:37.10`	`Shirik`	`it's pretty dark against black`
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`18:37.38`	`Kaso`	`hmm`
`18:37.41`	`Shirik`	`1,3is this how you change background? I forgot`
`18:37.44`	`Shirik`	`oops, that's backwards`
`18:37.54`	`Kaso`	`apparently colors arent part of the IRC protocol, so not all clients accept them`
`18:38.06`	`Shirik`	`Neither is bold/italic/underline`
`18:38.11`	`Kaso`	`hm`
`18:38.13`	`Shirik`	`actually mirc implements italics by reversing color`
`18:38.35`	`Shirik`	`But I think we can safely argue that coloring is supported by the majority of clients`
`18:38.42`	`Mortius`	`any clue how an <OnEvent>IceBarrierFrameEvent();</OnEvent> can return this error when the function is defined properly in the .lua? <string>:"IceBarrierFrame:OnEvent":1: attempt to call global 'IceBarrierFrameEvent' (a nil value)`
`18:39.12`	`Shirik`	`Mortius: Does it exist before OnEvent is called?`
`18:39.13`	`Iriel`	`Mortius: Because it really isn't defined properly in the .lua, or you forgot to actually load the lua`
`18:39.39`	`Mortius`	`I'm 100% positive it's in the .lua .. and .lua is loading from the .toc.`
`18:39.46`	`Shirik`	`pastey your lua and toc`
`18:39.50`	`Mortius`	`ok`
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`18:41.11`	`Mortius`	`this is both http://wowi.pastey.net/8457`
`18:41.12`	`aib_`	`Shirik: IIRC there is a "reverse colors" code in mIRC ctrl-o test`
`18:41.26`	`Shirik`	`That's mIRC specific`
`18:41.34`	`Shirik`	`and it's actually implemented as italics in most other clients, not reverse colors`
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`18:42.04`	`aib_`	`ctrl-r test`
`18:42.43`	`Shirik`	`Again, that's mirc specific`
`18:42.53`	`aib_`	`yea`
`18:44.59`	`Shirik`	`Mortius: Is there a reason you need to include your Lua AFTER the XML?`
`18:45.16`	`Mortius`	`no, should I change those aroung?`
`18:45.17`	`Mortius`	`around`
`18:45.34`	`Shirik`	`it is theoretically possible it's trying to call that function before it got around to your lua file`
`18:45.42`	`Mortius`	`okay will try that thanks`
`18:45.52`	`Shirik`	`if there isn't a reason to include your xml first (which occasionalyl there is) it's usually a good idea to include the lua first`
`18:46.22`	`aib_`	`Shirik: mIRC v6.17 -- "Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems"`
`18:46.27`	`Shirik`	`Yes I noticed`
`18:46.46`	`aib_`	`at least they give a warning`
`18:46.56`	`aib_`	`I've seen servers drop stuff without ever informing either side`
`18:47.20`	`Shirik`	`it didn't warn me, but in my experience, people who don't respond to a CTCP are just unregistered`
`18:47.42`	`Shirik`	`plus your /whois is missing �� 320: Shirik is identified to services`
`18:48.47`	`aib_`	`yea, I haven't registered`
`18:48.54`	`Shirik`	`Kirkburn\|afk: I see you giving other people welcome notes on WoWWiki. How come I don't get one. Huh?!`
`18:48.59`	`Shirik`	`I'm not cool enough, I see how it is`
`18:49.26`	`Kaso`	`Cide's luabot doesnt work in PM :<`
`18:50.32`	`Mortius`	`Shirik: Yes, that fixed it. Thanks a lot.`
`18:51.21`	`Mortius`	`btw> it was the WoW UI Designer that made the .toc.. but it was probably the order in which I created the form / script in the program.`
`18:52.01`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Shirik, cause you're not a Blizz employee! :P`
`18:52.08`	`Shirik`	`qq`
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`18:52.57`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/User_talk:Shirik`
`18:53.02`	`Mortius`	`are there blizz employees in here?`
`18:53.07`	`Shirik`	`yey =D`
`18:53.17`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`No, Mortius`
`18:53.32`	`Shirik`	`or are there...`
`18:53.37`	`Mortius`	`lol`
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`18:53.53`	`Shirik`	`I think Iriel's secretly a Blizz employee in disguise, designed to investigate our secret feelings towards the company`
`18:54.13`	`Kaso`	`Well Iriel did get in the credits, but im not sure if that counts or not :>`
`18:54.15`	`Iriel`	`Nice idea, wrong, but nice.`
`18:54.28`	`nymbia`	`they don't need spies for that ;)`
`18:54.33`	`Shirik`	`See now that's the thing`
`18:54.43`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`nymbia, it's said pretty loudly on the forums, isn't it`
`18:54.53`	`nymbia`	`not like the irc logs arent publicly available or anything, as well`
`18:55.02`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Ah, true, true`
`18:55.10`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Blizzard I love you, now give me presents`
`18:55.19`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`So anyway, I was referring to Nebu on WoWWiki`
`18:55.28`	`Mortius`	`Yes, sometimes when I google trying to figure something out, I get chat logs from this room.`
`18:55.29`	`Iriel`	`They let you pay them to play their game, isnt' that present enough?`
`18:55.36`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Nevah :(`
`18:55.42`	`Shirik`	`One would think that if Iriel were a Blizzard employee, he would say he is because then we wouldn't believe him. But the fact that he said he isn't would lead us to believe that he isn't. But the thing is, Iriel is a very intelligent individual and used reverse-reverse psychology.`
`18:55.43`	`aib_`	`anyone know the horde/alliance color values for BG messages? I'm guessing 1/x/x and x/x/1 where x=0.2 or something`
`18:55.51`	`Shirik`	`Thus, he said that he /isn't/ a Blizzard employee, when in fact, he is`
`18:56.12`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`But are you sure this isn't not Opposite Day?`
`18:56.20`	`Kaso`	`aib_ nip into one and see :>`
`18:56.30`	`Shirik`	`On opposite day, the world explodes`
`18:56.40`	`nymbia`	`ow my head`
`18:57.24`	`aib_`	`>>> local m, s; m, s = math.modf(130, 60); print(string.format("%d:%02d", m, s));`
`18:57.24`	`Cide`	`aib_: "130:00"`
`18:57.43`	`Mortius`	`My servers horde/alliance = 81%/19% or so. blah. 50% blood elf`
`18:57.44`	`aib_`	`right.`
`18:57.52`	`Shirik`	`Because on opposite day, you're supposed to say that it's _not_ opposite day, because it's opposite day. But if you do that, then it's no different from any other day, so you're not doing anything opposite.`
`18:58.03`	`Shirik`	`Rinse and repeat`
`18:58.04`	`nymbia`	`Mortius: one of the new servers?`
`18:58.09`	`Mortius`	`yes, coilfang`
`18:58.18`	`Shirik`	`Wow 81% horde?`
`18:58.21`	`Shirik`	`haha 50% be`
`18:58.25`	`Mortius`	`yeah lol`
`18:58.29`	`nymbia`	`that's amazing`
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`18:58.29`	`Shirik`	`what about draenei/alliance?`
`18:58.34`	`nymbia`	`must be a warrior shortage`
`18:58.45`	`Mortius`	`draenei was at 11% last time I checked`
`18:58.50`	`Mortius`	`yes, hardly any warriors at all`
`18:58.55`	`Shirik`	`11% of server or of alliance?`
`18:59.07`	`Mortius`	`I believe server...`
`18:59.16`	`Mortius`	`or that might of been alliance, I can't remember now`
`18:59.20`	`Shirik`	`so that would be over 50% alliance`
`18:59.34`	`Mortius`	`that could be right`
`18:59.45`	`Mortius`	`every alliance I run into is draenei`
`18:59.57`	`Mortius`	`I saw a gnome once`
`19:02.06`	`Shirik`	`haha`
`19:02.07`	`Shirik`	`"once"`
`19:02.15`	`aib_`	`I think I did once, too`
`19:02.37`	`aib_`	`most of the time I see critters casting frost bolts`
`19:03.39`	`Mortius`	`I'm playing a Blood Elf Frost Mage. Along with 1/4th the server`
`19:03.48`	`Shirik`	`Blood Elf Priest on my new character`
`19:03.55`	`Mortius`	`nice`
`19:04.08`	`Shirik`	`I'll tell you between consume magic and arcane torrent`
`19:04.18`	`Shirik`	`blood elf priests are going to be pretty useful`
`19:04.23`	`Shirik`	`it takes me forever to run out of mana`
`19:04.46`	`Mortius`	`Do you think the server will ever correct itself? Or will it forever be Horde dominated?`
`19:05.23`	`Mortius`	`Do they typically balance out over time?`
`19:05.29`	`Shirik`	`if there's a misbalance`
`19:05.36`	`Shirik`	`what's going to happen is people will reroll warriors`
`19:05.38`	`Shirik`	`because they're in need`
`19:05.41`	`Shirik`	`and they want to be something in need`
`19:05.59`	`Mortius`	`there needs to be more alliance to kill haha`
`19:06.12`	`Shirik`	`anyway, lunch time`
`19:06.13`	`Shirik`	`hmm`
`19:06.26`	`Mortius`	`yes, lunch sounds good :) take care guys.`
`19:08.28`	`Shirik\|Food`	`btw aib_ regarding "casting"`
`19:08.41`	`Shirik\|Food`	`Lua uses coercion, which is implied typecasting`
`19:08.42`	`Shirik\|Food`	`http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#2.2.1`
`19:10.53`	`nymbia`	`you'll still wanna type stuff in some situations`
`19:11.00`	`nymbia`	`like using em as a table index`
`19:11.25`	`Lej`	`Is it possible to make a macro that got the amount of holy candles I got in my inventory written on it with text?`
`19:11.44`	`nymbia`	`Lej: to say in chat?`
`19:11.56`	`Lej`	`no to display on my bar`
`19:12.24`	`nymbia`	`what's wrong with just sticking the inventory item on your bar then?`
`19:12.43`	`Lej`	`bongos :/`
`19:13.07`	`Lej`	`doesn't like item's on the bar`
`19:13.24`	`nymbia`	`really? weird.`
`19:14.31`	`[dRaCo]`	`does learn2count work with bongos?`
`19:14.53`	`Lej`	`I'm certain I read somewhere about someone showing how much leather they had in bags with a macro somehow using th ered question mark icon`
`19:21.49`	`Kaso`	`nymbia you can only put items with Use: or that are equippable on actionbars`
`19:21.52`	`Kaso`	`iirc`
`19:22.23`	`nymbia`	`Kaso: i know a warlock friend of mine uses it to track soulshards`
`19:22.31`	`Kaso`	`hm? sure?`
`19:22.40`	`Kaso`	`I coulda sworn you couldnt`
`19:23.14`	`nymbia`	`its sure not letting me put this steamy romance novel on my bars`
`19:23.27`	`Kaso`	`Lej im not sure if show works for items but you could try "#show Light Leather" on a macro witha ? icon`
`19:23.44`	`Lej`	`i did try #show and #showtooltip`
`19:23.55`	`Kaso`	`ah, well then thats a bummer`
`19:24.02`	`Kaso`	`you want a macro to spam the number to chat?`
`19:24.03`	`Lej`	`changes the icon to candle but don't display number`
`19:24.17`	`Lej`	`not really`
`19:24.38`	`Lej`	`maybe I'll just write a small addon that warns me when entering a group or so`
`19:24.40`	`Kaso`	`nymbia perhaps soulshards are special somehow`
`19:24.51`	`nymbia`	`Kaso: yeah`
`19:25.32`	`nymbia`	`Kaso: it seems a bit inconsistent, it's letting me put keys and junk on my bars`
`19:25.54`	`Kaso`	`Keys have a hidden Use: i believe`
`19:25.58`	`Kaso`	`or something like that`
`19:27.53`	`nymbia`	`yeah`
`19:28.40`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`If there was a true opposite world, it simply wouldn't exist. Our universe exists, therefore that one doesn't. Thus I have just disproved the existence of a universe opposite to ours. QED.`
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`19:30.50`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`I didn't just disprove the existence of this channel y'know`
`19:31.05`	`Kaso`	`we're all in the mirror universe`
`19:31.22`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Are you a member of the Terran Empire?`
`19:32.32`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`You /so/ are`
`19:32.45`	`Kaso`	`Goatee and all.`
`19:32.55`	`Kaso`	`Its a requirement for enterance`
`19:38.59`	`aib_`	`what's the difference between the two positions in obj:SetPoint(point [, frame] [, relativePoint] [, x [, y]]); ?`
`19:39.09`	`aib_`	`or the two points, rather`
`19:39.47`	`Kaso`	`one is the point of the obj, the other is the point of frame you're attaching it to`
`19:39.49`	`Iriel`	`One is the point on your frame you're specifying`
`19:40.01`	`Iriel`	`And the other is the point of the relative frame that you're measuring from`
`19:40.43`	`aib_`	`ah, ok`
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`19:47.25`	`aib_`	`how can I delete a FontString object? (I'm guessing something inherited from Region or even UIObject?)`
`19:48.03`	`Iriel`	`You can't delete UI objects`
`19:48.09`	`nymbia`	`there's no deleteing of frames`
`19:48.15`	`Iriel`	`If you're done with it for now, hide it, and re-use it again later`
`19:48.22`	`nymbia`	`s/ete/et/`
`19:48.58`	`aib_`	`what? really?`
`19:49.11`	`nymbia`	`what's wrong with that?`
`19:49.13`	`aib_`	`damn, I'm going to have to write a dynamic fontstring allocation mechanism...`
`19:49.31`	`aib_`	`what's wrong is that I'm dynamically creating them as I need'em`
`19:49.41`	`aib_`	`which is pointless if I can't delete them`
`19:50.00`	`Iriel`	`Well, not pointless, but only half of the picture`
`19:50.12`	`nymbia`	`just make a table to store inactive ones. then when you need one, look first in the table of inactives, if there isnt one there, then make a new one`
`19:51.04`	`aib_`	`yea that's what I'll have to do`
`19:51.49`	`aib_`	`good thing I isolated the creation function...`
`19:53.38`	`Corrodias`	`or you could just rampantly create new frames and make the garbage collector work extra hard`
`19:54.29`	`Iriel`	`Frames aren't GC'ed`
`19:55.14`	`nymbia`	`there's always a reference to 'em in the c side of things`
`19:55.26`	`Corrodias`	`"do they typically balance out over time?" -- well, the horde/alliance imbalance never corrected itself before, but as people lose interest in their blood elf alts, i expect they'll go back to playing their alliance characters`
`19:56.40`	`Corrodias`	`really? interesting`
`20:13.58`	`aib_`	`nah I'm not one to leave things to the GC`
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`20:18.29`	`Mortius`	`how do you use "PLAYER_AURAS_CHANGED" or "UNIT_AURA" to detect a buff change, as when these are called they do not return whatever buff triggered them, and checking buffs currently on the player also doesn't return the new buff yet.`
`20:19.43`	`Corrodias`	`just guess`
`20:19.48`	`Corrodias`	`you'll be right 2% of the time`
`20:20.08`	`Iriel`	`The new buff should be on the player when PLAYER_AURAS_CHANGED fires`
`20:20.14`	`Mortius`	`I.E; I cast Ice Barrier, the even "PLAYER_AURAS_CHANGED" triggers where I check for a buff called "Ice Barrier", where it doesn't find it. Next I cast any other buff and now it finds "Ice Barrier".`
`20:20.34`	`Iriel`	`Are you using consistent API's?`
`20:20.45`	`Iriel`	`i.e. using the Player not Unit API's`
`20:20.49`	`JoshBorke`	`how do you know 'it' doesn't find it? what is this it?`
`20:21.30`	`Mortius`	`this is what I'm using : http://wowi.pastey.net/8466`
`20:22.09`	`Iriel`	`So, for a start, if you're going to use UnitBuff then you need to use UNIT_AURA as well`
`20:22.20`	`Mortius`	`I tried that with equal results`
`20:22.25`	`Mortius`	`that was what I was using first.`
`20:22.27`	`Iriel`	`It /may/ not make any difference, but sometimes it can be important`
`20:22.58`	`Iriel`	`Your code always skips the first buff`
`20:23.08`	`Iriel`	`So that's the main reason it doesn't work.`
`20:23.21`	`Iriel`	`I'm not sure exactly what you were thinking with lines 5-7`
`20:23.27`	`Iriel`	`But you might want to re-think them`
`20:23.59`	`Mortius`	`okay, i needs to start at 0 at line 3 or I need to reverse 6 & 7`
`20:24.08`	`Iriel`	`the latter`
`20:24.14`	`Iriel`	`And you need to ditch 5 altogether`
`20:24.40`	`JoshBorke`	`http://wowi.pastey.net/8467 might work?`
`20:24.44`	`Mortius`	`yes, that was in there from when I was trying something else`
`20:25.19`	`Mortius`	`let me see what happens here`
`20:26.24`	`JoshBorke`	`the issue is you increase i before you check the results of the first i`
`20:26.40`	`JoshBorke`	`so another fix could be: move the i = i + 1 below the if (buffName == "Ice Barrier") check`
`20:26.54`	`Iriel`	`http://wowi.pastey.net/8469`
`20:26.58`	`Iriel`	`That's how i'd probably write it`
`20:27.12`	`Mortius`	`yeah, that fixed it, I don't know how I missed that :X`
`20:27.31`	`Mortius`	`I usually beat my head in over some dumb mistake`
`20:27.39`	`JoshBorke`	`glad it works for iyou`
`20:27.42`	`AnduinLothar`	`hey josh, how'd your casting bar addon turn out, did you ever finish it?`
`20:27.54`	`JoshBorke`	`naw, never finished it AL :-D`
`20:28.03`	`Mortius`	`of course, it appears the mod isn't going to work anyway as arg4 from "UNIT_COMBAT" = 0 if you have ice barrier on.. dang it`
`20:28.04`	`JoshBorke`	`i got hung up somewhere or another and got fed up`
`20:28.08`	`AnduinLothar`	`stumpted or ill motivated?`
`20:28.22`	`JoshBorke`	`stumped on GUI, ill motivated on writing a good api`
`20:28.34`	`Mortius`	`it doesn't appear there is a way to know how much damage you take when you have an absorbing shield on`
`20:28.38`	`AnduinLothar`	`heh, i hear that`
`20:28.48`	`AnduinLothar`	`Telepathy + Khaos imo`
`20:28.52`	`AnduinLothar`	`;)`
`20:29.28`	`AnduinLothar`	`but yeah casting abr displays can be a pain`
`20:29.55`	`Mortius`	`I was trying to make a little mod where it displays my amount of absorb damage left in ice barrier`
`20:30.25`	`Mortius`	`it doesn't even tell me in my combat log how much I get hit for while I have it on, though.`
`20:31.53`	`JoshBorke`	`meh, i'm not so worried on the casting bar stuff. i figured i'd have an option to toggle whether or not to guess targets. if they don't guess targets then it gets easier since you only rely on spell events and message passed targets. if i show a cast bar before i get target information and the target changes then i would just hide the cast bar whereas any events that would get rid of a bar would have an associated fade event`
`20:32.01`	`Kaso`	`Mortius`
`20:32.10`	`Kaso`	`Cide has CT Shield Mod which does that`
`20:32.15`	`Kaso`	`but he still hasnt 2.0'd it`
`20:32.43`	`Kaso`	`He tracked damage you take from mobs without shield`
`20:32.49`	`Kaso`	`then deducted the average`
`20:32.50`	`nymbia`	`measures average damage for a given attack`
`20:32.57`	`Mortius`	`wow..`
`20:33.04`	`AnduinLothar`	`a lot of work, basicly`
`20:33.07`	`Mortius`	`yes lol`
`20:33.26`	`Mortius`	`I was hoping arg4 from "UNIT_COMBAT" returned the amount :(`
`20:33.27`	`AnduinLothar`	`it'd be easier to apply that to something liek DM that already tracks dmg`
`20:33.40`	`AnduinLothar`	`and just hook into the DM api`
`20:33.53`	`Mortius`	`I do run DM`
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`20:34.40`	`Kaso`	`Mortius, cide's CT_Shield mod shouldnt take too much updating to 2.0, and i have some code somewhere to make it work for ice barrier`
`20:34.52`	`AnduinLothar`	`that'd prolly be easier`
`20:35.08`	`nymbia`	`well there's also the added component of those spells getting +damage bonus too`
`20:35.23`	`Kaso`	`my code also adds that ^ too`
`20:35.30`	`Mortius`	`wow nice`
`20:35.33`	`AnduinLothar`	`dont forget to compensate for the new wand/bow/gun events`
`20:35.35`	`Kaso`	`i pimped my ct-shield mod`
`20:35.56`	`zenzelezz`	`bleetah: so it's not just me?`
`20:36.01`	`bleetah`	`god no`
`20:36.13`	`Mortius`	`I haven't been able to sign in MSN for weeks`
`20:36.26`	`Mortius`	`it just sits there "signing in..."`
`20:36.44`	`bleetah`	`if yer a gaim user, Help-.Debug shows some scary detail (looks like the server's telling us to upgrade to the latest MSN messenger)`
`20:37.29`	`bleetah`	`I suspect whta's happening is that it's mis-identifying gaim in this case... either way, the M$ gaim users (ie, the staffers who use it - and there are some, we've had patches from them in the past) are gunna be pissed... so I suspect it'll be back sometime soonish`
`20:37.31`	`bleetah`	`or not`
`20:39.49`	`bleetah`	`actually, now it looks like it's just failing to connect to the host they hand out at part of the login sequence... nexus.passport.com:443`
`20:40.11`	`bleetah`	`anyways, figured I'd let those users who have an interest, know`
`20:40.29`	`bleetah`	`but.. as /topic in #gaim says... "When MSN is broken, assume it is a server problem and realize it's not the end of the world."`
`20:40.35`	`Kaso`	`Mortius, this version A) works for mages B) Uses Bonus scanner to get Spell damage and adds it to the total. Work you'd need to do: Update for the API/events changes in 2.0, Change the +heal/dmg coefficients for priests to 20%, change the bonus scanner stuff for the new default UI functions that do the same. If you feel like a challenge`
`20:40.41`	`Kaso`	`Mortius\|AFK`
`20:42.06`	`Kaso`	`woops forgot the link#`
`20:42.20`	`Kaso`	`http://kasoo.net/filez/CT_ShieldMod.zip`
`20:43.17`	`Kaso`	`but it looks like hes already gone :<`
`20:43.21`	`Kaso`	`all my effort gone to waste`
`20:43.43`	`bleetah`	`(to give you an idea how 'bad' the moaning MSN users ahve got in #gaim, they've just gone +m)`
`20:43.54`	`Kaso`	`haha`
`20:43.57`	`Kaso`	`whats up with msn?`
`20:44.11`	`bleetah`	`"As part of Microsoft's Trustworthy Computing initiative, Microsoft is delivering a security update for some users that connect to the .NET Messenger Service for instant messaging using MSN Messenger or Windows Messenger."`
`20:44.19`	`Kaso`	`aaah`
`20:44.20`	`Kaso`	`i see`
`20:44.23`	`bleetah`	`aka 'let's break all 3rd party clients'`
`20:44.35`	`bleetah`	`or 'oops, we forgot about 3rd party clients'`
`20:44.39`	`Kaso`	`theres a mac client right?`
`20:44.42`	`bleetah`	`gotta wait for the dust to settle to work it out ;)`
`20:45.10`	`bleetah`	`for MSN, or a multi-protocol chatclient using the gaim core? no idea about the former, the latter is 'AdiumX'`
`20:45.38`	`Kaso`	`I was meaning offical msn client for macs`
`20:45.47`	`Kaso`	`i recall there being one, just not one for linux :<`
`20:45.51`	`bleetah`	`probably.. /shrug.. I don't use a mac :P`
`20:45.58`	`AnduinLothar`	`there is a mac one`
`20:46.19`	`bleetah`	`it's a crappy closed source protocol... so I don't care really :P`
`20:46.50`	`AnduinLothar`	`aim protocol is more widely used and accessable`
`20:46.57`	`bleetah`	`not to mention the thousands of lusers demanding voice and video support 'yesterday' insisting implementing it gaim 'would be easy'`
`20:47.02`	`AnduinLothar`	`prolly the onyl thing AOL did right`
`20:47.24`	`Kaso`	`AnduinLothar, i tend to find in US aim is more popular but in EU everyone likes MSN`
`20:47.52`	`AnduinLothar`	`that's cause it has america in the name`
`20:47.58`	`Kaso`	`he yah`
`20:48.06`	`AnduinLothar`	`and microsoft marketted elsewhere first`
`20:48.17`	`bleetah`	`jabber ftw!`
`20:48.32`	`bleetah`	`gadu-gadu is the polish messenger of choice, I believe`
`20:48.50`	`bleetah`	`I'm still amused by the most popular one in China... amused at it's name 'QQ'`
`20:49.12`	`amro`	`it fits`
`20:49.27`	`Kaso`	`haha nice`
`20:50.45`	`aib_`	`in soviet russia, Q seek I`
`20:55.47`	`Shirik`	`bleetah: yeah I love that`
`20:59.46`	`zenzelezz`	`ooh, my Gaim is back up and running`
`20:59.49`	`zenzelezz`	`on MSN`
`21:02.10`	`bleetah`	`zenzelezz: yup`
`21:02.40`	`bleetah`	`I've got one account working, another not`
`21:02.49`	`bleetah`	`of course, it's my primary account that ain't working :/`
`21:04.04`	`bleetah`	`my primary's connecting now, too`
`21:04.21`	`zenzelezz`	`so now you can both work and cyb0r again!`
`21:04.49`	`bleetah`	`dude, the only MSN contacts I have.. are myself`
`21:05.03`	`bleetah`	`so it'd only be cyb0rm4570b4t10n`
`21:05.08`	`zenzelezz`	`now that's sadder than cyb0r`
`21:05.34`	`bleetah`	`why is it sad? MSN's crap.. if I have friends using it, I get them to use something decent :P`
`21:05.57`	`zenzelezz`	`if it was up to me I'd still be on ICQ, but everyone decided to go MSN`
`21:06.07`	`bleetah`	`get new friends`
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`21:10.23`	`Gnarfoz`	`icq is the only one with offline messages`
`21:10.25`	`*** part/#wowi-lounge TS\|Skrom_ (n=TS\|Skrom@66.148.226.210.nw.nuvox.net)`
`21:10.29`	`Gnarfoz`	`beat that :>`
`21:11.54`	`Shirik`	`ICQ > MSN`
`21:12.01`	`Shirik`	`Skype has offline messages though btw`
`21:13.22`	`bleetah`	`jabber does that too`
`21:13.50`	`Shirik`	`however, with skype`
`21:13.52`	`Shirik`	`the client handles it`
`21:14.07`	`Shirik`	`the client watches for the user to sign on, and doesn't deliver the message until then`
`21:14.43`	`bleetah`	`well, technically XMPP defines offline messages, jabber merely implements that`
`21:14.53`	`bleetah`	`*offline message handling`
`21:15.00`	`Tain`	`Stupid snow.`
`21:15.24`	`bleetah`	`Tain: take a big stick to it, and inflict pain`
`21:15.53`	`Tain`	`Normally I'd be taking a big stick to it at the end of a shovel and inflicting pain on myself.`
`21:16.16`	`Tain`	`But I just let the property manager handle all that now. No shovelling for me.`
`21:16.51`	`Gnarfoz`	`Shirik: that's not really any good, though`
`21:17.04`	`Gnarfoz`	`I could just wait until the contact is online and tell him then, then ^^`
`21:17.09`	`Shirik`	`what if you're afk?`
`21:17.30`	`Shirik`	`I'm just saying that's how skype does it, I wasn't advocating it at all :P`
`21:17.33`	`Shirik`	`in fact I hate skype`
`21:17.45`	`Gnarfoz`	`ah`
`21:17.50`	`Tain`	`No need to place blame on a skypegoat.`
`21:17.59`	`Cairenn`	`lol`
`21:18.12`	`Gnarfoz`	`how does jabber/xmpp do it?`
`21:18.33`	`bleetah`	`heh, the number of people requesting gaim to utilise the skype API for Skype chat 'coz the skype UI blows goats.. is.. quite large`
`21:18.39`	`Gnarfoz`	`haven't been able to do that with my google talk acc e.g.`
`21:19.29`	`bleetah`	`server's gotta be built to support it, first.. http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0013.html`
`21:20.02`	`bleetah`	`google's chat servers leave a little to be desired with regards to some standards compliance and some implementations`
`21:20.03`	`Shirik`	`Skype's UI is a POS`
`21:20.06`	`Shirik`	`put plain and simple`
`21:20.19`	`Shirik`	`it also locks up my computer`
`21:20.21`	`Shirik`	`do you know how it operates?!`
`21:20.27`	`Shirik`	`If you enter a chat room with 50 people`
`21:20.31`	`Shirik`	`it opens 50 internet connections`
`21:20.33`	`Shirik`	`and 50 processes`
`21:20.51`	`Shirik`	`who in their right mind creates a system like that`
`21:21.19`	`bleetah`	`thing i like about the XMPP offline, is that it can retrieve select offline messages`
`21:21.19`	`Gnarfoz`	`that reminds me, supreme commander simply spawns a second copy of itself for the second viewport if you have multiple monitors :D`
`21:21.41`	`Gnarfoz`	`that'd be a nice feature when it's done`
`21:21.48`	`bleetah`	`so you don't get spammed with offline messages when you signin, etc.`
`21:22.02`	`Gnarfoz`	`now someone tell me how my 250gb disk is full up to 6gb and I didn't notice? oO`
`21:22.02`	`Shirik`	`one way to find out`
`21:22.12`	`Gnarfoz`	`Shirik: won't BSOD`
`21:22.18`	`Gnarfoz`	`it's not a standard background process or anything`
`21:22.33`	`Shirik`	`it was eating up the entire processing time on one of my cores :/`
`21:22.51`	`Gnarfoz`	`bad program`
`21:23.01`	`Gnarfoz`	`or virus/trojan/worm trying to hide under the name ;D`
`21:24.18`	`amro`	`rundll32 is used for things like system control panels`
`21:24.54`	`Gnarfoz`	`that and loads of other stuff, too, but only on request`
`21:24.54`	`Gryphen`	`google talk has offline messages if the recipient has chat logging enabled`
`21:25.04`	`Gnarfoz`	`Gryphen: ah, good to know`
`21:25.30`	`Shirik`	`I'm not a moron`
`21:25.32`	`Shirik`	`I don't get viruses`
`21:25.41`	`Shirik`	`rundll32 is used for a lot of a lot of things`
`21:25.51`	`Shirik`	`imo it was probably skype :P`
`21:27.09`	`Shirik`	`chuckles wouldn't suprise me`
`21:27.14`	`Gryphen`	`ooh, gtalk on home page o.O http://tinyurl.com/2z3ed6`
`21:28.01`	`bleetah`	`as I was saying, jabber is teh sex0r`
`21:28.10`	`Gryphen`	`<3 gtalk :)`
`21:28.41`	`bleetah`	`if you run your own local daemon, and use that to connect to gtalk, you get a 'lot' more features you can play with ;)`
`21:28.58`	`bleetah`	`in a round-about kinda way`
`21:28.59`	`Gryphen`	`dont need more features`
`21:29.52`	`bleetah`	`eg, you could have your local jabberd talking on the the other protocols as well, and then have inserts like that gtalk webpage happening across all protocols`
`21:35.34`	`Mortius`	`Hey Kaso, thanks for the .zip ! :D`
`21:35.48`	`Mortius`	`I left you a message, I'm guessing you didn't get it.`
`21:36.13`	`bleetah`	`oO wow, I forgot I had chanop on #gaim`
`21:36.38`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`oh jesus`
`21:36.41`	`Shirik`	`I need a guinea pig (Windows) for before I go on break so I have stuff to work on over the next week! Any volunteers?`
`21:36.47`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i found some furry's FTP, this is what hell is like`
`21:36.47`	`Shirik`	`Bleetah: Who in their right mind...`
`21:36.47`	`Kaso`	`Mortius, if you tried to PM me you cant PM on freenode unless you are authed`
`21:36.59`	`Mortius`	`well thats good to know lol`
`21:37.04`	`bleetah`	`Shirik: ... would give me chanop?`
`21:37.08`	`Shirik`	`yes`
`21:37.09`	`Shirik`	`=P`
`21:37.27`	`bleetah`	`Shirik: gives you an idea of the moron level that goes on in there`
`21:37.37`	`Shirik`	`haha`
`21:37.42`	`Shirik`	`I almost am tempted to join to watch`
`21:37.59`	`bleetah`	`it's calmed down now since MSN came back`
`21:38.36`	`JoshBorke`	`lol`
`21:40.13`	`Shirik`	`Bleetah`
`21:40.17`	`Shirik`	`I wasn't in there... for 5 seconds`
`21:40.32`	`Shirik`	`anyway, I have to go clean out my car >< have fun all`
`21:40.43`	`bleetah`	`Shirik\|AFK: cya mate`
`21:41.03`	`Kaso`	`Mortius, I'd appreciate it if you could shout me some time and give me a copy if you manage to get it working.`
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`21:54.24`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`hahaha`
`21:54.25`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`wow`
`21:54.56`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`so my mom calls me to tell me that her flight down here got cancelled, right? So I go to check the weather and I feel really bad for her`
`21:55.02`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`Where I live, it's about 80 F right now`
`21:55.10`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`up there... 32 F... feels like 23`
`21:55.58`	`bleetah`	`owwww`
`21:56.33`	`bleetah`	`hah! hence the 'clean out (your) car' requirement.. rofl.. empty pizza cartons and bottles of booze?`
`21:56.45`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`pretty much`
`21:56.51`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`I had to pick her up at the airport`
`21:57.22`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`I kinda miss snow though :(`
`21:57.59`	`Cairenn`	`you can have mine, we're getting another 10-15 cm between now and tomorrow noon`
`21:58.07`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`where's that?`
`21:58.14`	`Cairenn`	`ontario`
`21:58.21`	`Shirik`	`ah fun`
`21:58.36`	`Shirik`	`I used to live in MA and we had tons of snow, so I'm sure I know what you mean`
`21:58.54`	`Shirik`	`my mom lives in VA though... she knows how to drive in snow cause she grew up in PA, but... nobody else in DC does`
`21:59.01`	`Shirik`	`so you get a quarter of an inch and they close school`
`21:59.17`	`Shirik`	`I remember going to school in like a foot of snow ha`
`22:00.37`	`Shirik`	`btw Cairenn that new download system is pretty hot`
`22:00.37`	`Cairenn`	`?`
`22:00.38`	`Shirik`	`the search thing`
`22:00.38`	`Shirik`	`download search`
`22:00.38`	`Cairenn`	`ah`
`22:00.47`	`Cairenn`	`yeah, dolby-wowi did a great job with it :)`
`22:00.54`	`JoshBorke`	`it actually works!`
`22:00.58`	`Shirik`	`haha`
`22:01.03`	`Shirik`	`that's always a good thing to hear, I guess...`
`22:01.19`	`JoshBorke`	`like really really well`
`22:02.27`	`Cairenn`	`Well, you have to remember, all the code on our sites was originally written for EQInterface, and the "mod" scene was a lot different there than in WoW`
`22:02.49`	`Cairenn`	`so we (read he) is constantly tweaking and changing to make things better`
`22:02.52`	`JoshBorke`	`oh of course. i'm just saying the new one is so much better :-D`
`22:02.54`	`bleetah`	`supporting legacy's a bitch, eh?`
`22:03.03`	`bleetah`	`the realities of real world coding /sigh`
`22:03.12`	`Shirik`	`yeah`
`22:03.15`	`Shirik`	`if only there wasn't a real world`
`22:03.52`	`Cairenn`	`what he originally had written as a search engine worked (and still does) just fine for EQI`
`22:04.44`	`Cairenn`	`but yeah, the new search rocks :)`
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`22:17.00`	`Cairenn`	`later guys, time to go be a metalhead for the evening \o/`
`22:17.26`	`Tain`	`Party on Wayne!`
`22:17.35`	`Shirik`	`dragonforce?`
`22:18.25`	`bleetah`	`Cairenn\|afk: enjoy! :-D`
`22:19.50`	`Industrial`	`Cairenn\|afk: yay :D`
`22:20.44`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`looking forward to it - daughter's best friend got tickets for her and her mom and my daughter and me to go to the MeatLoaf concert tonight as our Christmas present, so the four of us girls are gonna go have a night rocking the town`
`22:22.53`	`zenzelezz`	`:-o`
`22:27.41`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`meat loaf is awesome, and i really don't even know why`
`22:27.42`	`bleetah`	`screenshots or you never went!`
`22:28.15`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`when it finally hit me that he was jack black's dad in the tenacious D movie i almost had a heart attack`
`22:28.26`	`bleetah`	`Mr_Rabies2: as far as 'recent' Mr. Loaf stuff goes, four words... 'Fight Club Man Boobs'`
`22:28.43`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`him praying to Dio, Meat Loaf being his dad, it was just so epic`
`22:28.52`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`all 3 of them singing in one song`
`22:30.47`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`http://youtube.com/watch?v=hvvjiE4AdUI is the scene i was talking about, so epic [not work safe for language, btw]`
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`22:35.39`	`bleetah`	`~lart Bleeter`
`22:38.54`	`Kaso`	`well`
`22:39.01`	`Kaso`	`my dinner just exploded in my face...`
`22:40.04`	`Industrial`	`Kaso: lol.`
`22:40.36`	`Kaso`	`i was making a sauce with some red wine, the pan was too hot and it superheated or something and exploded in my face, and all over my kitchen roof`
`22:42.48`	`Lej`	`cool`
`22:43.06`	`Lej`	`Now that how cooking is supposed to be`
`22:44.08`	`JoshBorke`	`kaso: you didn't get burned did you?`
`22:45.19`	`nymbia`	`Kaso: microwave?`
`22:45.38`	`Tain`	`That's a critical cooking trade skill failure.`
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`22:46.39`	`kergoth`	`Kaso: that sounds somewhat painful (both to the pride and physical) :P`
`22:47.30`	`Kaso`	`It was in a frying pan`
`22:47.54`	`Kaso`	`And ive got a fair few little burns on my face and arms, but luckly i was wearing my glasses so my eyes were somewhat protected`
`22:48.38`	`JoshBorke`	`that's good`
`22:49.33`	`Kaso`	`Nothing serious, but ive got a couple red dots on my face i might have for a couple days`
`22:50.07`	`kergoth`	`i got some oil burns on my forearm the other day.. learned the hard way to be a bit more careful about how i set meat in a pan to sear it :P`
`22:51.40`	`JoshBorke`	`face first?`
`22:51.41`	`Kaso`	`I shall be alot more careful in future, i was just worried about my veg getting cold so i rushed a bit :<`
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`23:18.42`	`Kaso`	`Cide are you around?`
`23:18.52`	`Kaso`	`>>> print("Yes of course i am")`
`23:18.52`	`Cide`	`Kaso: "Yes of course i am"`
`23:18.54`	`Shirik`	`>>> print("Yes, Kaso, I'm here");`
`23:18.54`	`Cide`	`Shirik: "Yes, Kaso, I'm here"`
`23:18.57`	`Shirik`	`bleh`
`23:18.58`	`Kaso`	`haha`
`23:19.02`	`Kaso`	`beat you to it`
`23:19.12`	`Cide`	`yeah`
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`23:19.47`	`Kaso`	`may i ask if you have plans to add Shield Mod into CT Mod2`
`23:20.24`	`Cide`	`yeah`
`23:20.26`	`Cide`	`sometime =/`
`23:20.31`	`Kaso`	`i miss it very much`
`23:20.37`	`Kaso`	`Someone else was asking about it before`
`23:20.44`	`Kaso`	`Mortius`
`23:21.00`	`Kaso`	`He'd like it if you could add Ice Barrier and Mana Shield into it when you do it :3`
`23:21.14`	`Cide`	`I'll`
`23:22.44`	`JoshBorke`	`>>> print(5)`
`23:22.44`	`Cide`	`JoshBorke: 5`
`23:23.25`	`Kaso`	`Thanks alot for the effort, i look forward to when it gets released`
`23:23.55`	`Shirik`	`>>> local oldprint = print; print = function(...) oldprint("I'll print your mom! I mean... ", ...) end`
`23:23.55`	`Cide`	`Shirik:`
`23:24.00`	`Shirik`	`>>> print("Hi");`
`23:24.00`	`Cide`	`Shirik: "Hi"`
`23:24.02`	`Shirik`	`=(`
`23:24.10`	`Kaso`	`Shirik, each command has its own enviroment#`
`23:24.15`	`Shirik`	`wtb single environment!`
`23:24.58`	`Cide`	`that'd be pretty devastating :P`
`23:25.24`	`Cide`	`I noticed before my computer crashed I'd sent myself a message.. did someone get a way around the bot's filters?`
`23:25.27`	`Shirik`	`but it would be more fun!`
`23:25.37`	`Cide`	`s/get/find/`
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`23:25.51`	`Shirik`	`I don't remember seeing one`
`23:26.13`	`Kaso`	`did you put in filters to stop people outputting irc commands?`
`23:26.17`	`bleetah`	`Cide: got logs?`
`23:26.24`	`Cide`	`nope, bleetah`
`23:26.27`	`Cide`	`Kaso: no`
`23:26.35`	`Cide`	`just escaping of \n and \r`
`23:26.41`	`Shirik`	`Oh!`
`23:26.41`	`Kaso`	`ah`
`23:26.43`	`Shirik`	`I bet I know`
`23:26.56`	`Shirik`	`did that do it?`
`23:27.02`	`Cide`	`oh, yeah`
`23:27.03`	`Cide`	`haha`
`23:27.08`	`Shirik`	`someone tried to do that earlier today`
`23:27.12`	`Shirik`	`forget who`
`23:27.30`	`Shirik`	`Actually I think it was Kaso!`
`23:27.35`	`Kaso`	`What what?`
`23:27.52`	`Kaso`	`i deny these unfounded accusations!`
`23:27.57`	`Cide`	`try that again, Shirik`
`23:28.06`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`Is there a known bug with Rockbiter 3 spell? I'd check the forums but they are down (again)`
`23:28.58`	`Cide`	`Shirik: once more`
`23:29.04`	`Cide`	`Neuro_Medivh: no clue`
`23:30.19`	`Cide`	`someone PM me please`
`23:30.22`	`Shirik`	`It was Kaso!`
`23:30.23`	`Shirik`	`14:49:35 �Kaso� Cide's luabot doesnt work in PM :<`
`23:30.29`	`Kaso`	`ah that`
`23:30.29`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`I'm going crazy, RB3 simply will not cast on my 2h mace... my 2h axe, no problem! RB2 on the 2h mace? No problem either`
`23:30.41`	`Kaso`	`yah i was just trying to see if i could use cide without spamming the channel`
`23:31.05`	`Shirik`	`hehehe`
`23:31.07`	`Shirik`	`"use cide"`
`23:31.11`	`Shirik`	`kinky`
`23:31.19`	`bleetah`	`Neuro_Medivh: don't quote me, but I seem to recall someone mentioning something along those lines in the past few days or so, specifically RB and two-handed mace had a problem, i think`
`23:31.40`	`Cide`	`try now`
`23:31.45`	`bleetah`	`Neuro_Medivh: although, if you've asked the question in the past few days, that was prolly just you`
`23:31.58`	`Kaso`	`sweet`
`23:32.01`	`Cide`	`works now?`
`23:32.05`	`Kaso`	`yah`
`23:32.10`	`Cide`	`>>> print "hi"`
`23:32.10`	`Cide`	`Cide: "hi"`
`23:32.11`	`bleetah`	`sorry I can't be more concrete in my recollection`
`23:32.38`	`Kaso`	`May i ask why you didnt make a second irc user for it?`
`23:33.03`	`bleetah`	`that'd be nice, I could then /ignore it until I wanted to see output ;)`
`23:33.11`	`Shirik`	`>>> return string.byte("\|");`
`23:33.11`	`Cide`	`I'm lazy`
`23:33.11`	`Cide`	`Shirik: 124`
`23:33.17`	`Kaso`	`ha`
`23:33.18`	`bleetah`	`hehe, cide, fair call :)`
`23:34.13`	`Lej`	`what does it do if you do something like`
`23:34.39`	`Lej`	`>>> local I; while true do i = i+1; end`
`23:34.39`	`Cide`	`Lej: [string "local I; while true do i = i+1; end"]:1: attempt to perform arithmetic on global 'i' (a nil value)`
`23:34.50`	`Shirik`	`it gives up after 5 seconds if you write it correctly`
`23:35.00`	`Lej`	`didn't want to :<`
`23:35.06`	`Cide`	`try it`
`23:35.08`	`Shirik`	`We spent days, literally days, fixing all the security holes in it :P`
`23:35.19`	`Lej`	`>>> local i=0; while true do i = i+1; end`
`23:35.20`	`Shirik`	`It was fun`
`23:35.21`	`Kaso`	`if by fixing you mean "trying to exploit"`
`23:35.25`	`Shirik`	`ok`
`23:35.25`	`Cide`	`Lej: maximum execution time (5s) exceeded`
`23:35.38`	`Cide`	`I think I still know of one`
`23:35.43`	`Shirik`	`I think I do too`
`23:35.47`	`Shirik`	`I just can't figure out how to exploit it`
`23:35.52`	`Cide`	`which? :P`
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`23:35.58`	`Shirik`	`I don't like byte 26`
`23:36.19`	`Cide`	`I wonder if I should show you this one`
`23:36.24`	`Cide`	`because it might be hard to fix-ish`
`23:36.32`	`Shirik`	`It's not like I'm evil or something`
`23:36.43`	`Shirik`	`I'm not going to try to break through if you can't fix it; but I will try to help you find a solution ;)`
`23:37.02`	`Shirik`	`>>> return string.char(26).."But I don't like how it does this...";`
`23:37.02`	`Cide`	`Shirik: "`
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`23:38.17`	`Cide`	`>>> inf()]==========]); debug.settrace(); function inf() while true do end end print([==========[`
`23:38.17`	`Cide`	`Cide:`
`23:38.21`	`Cide`	`hmm`
`23:38.36`	`Shirik`	`huh?`
`23:38.59`	`Cide`	`SQL injection style`
`23:39.14`	`Shirik`	`perhaps it's because I don't know what goes on on your side`
`23:39.18`	`Cide`	`yeah`
`23:39.35`	`Cide`	`it requires some knowledge of the backend`
`23:40.14`	`Shirik`	`oh....`
`23:40.18`	`Shirik`	`I see the problem`
`23:40.30`	`Cide`	`>>> ]==========]); while true do end print([==========[`
`23:40.38`	`Cide`	`Cide:`
`23:40.42`	`Cide`	`that did it`
`23:42.02`	`Shirik`	`well, I assume you're reading in the line of code as a string, right?`
`23:42.08`	`Shirik`	`and then you do a loadstring() ?`
`23:42.17`	`Cide`	`yup`
`23:42.24`	`Shirik`	`ok, so, before the loadstring()`
`23:42.30`	`Shirik`	`just use this`
`23:44.09`	`Kaso`	`My guild had this addon, and to send data around my guild leader who wrote it wrote this (un)/serialise function to send tables around the channel, however ofc he had to use RunScript() to do that, and thus by sending people in my guild malformed packets over our guild channel you could execute code on their clients :3`
`23:44.32`	`Shirik`	`>>> function fix(code) if (string.match(code, "]==========])")) then return "return \"Hack attempt detected\""; else return code; end end return fix("]==========]); while true do end print([==========[");`
`23:44.32`	`Cide`	`Shirik: [string "function fix(code) if (string.match(code, "..."]:1: invalid pattern capture`
`23:44.44`	`Shirik`	`>>> function fix(code) if (string.match(code, "\\]==========\\])")) then return "return \"Hack attempt detected\""; else return code; end end return fix("]==========]); while true do end print([==========[");`
`23:44.44`	`Cide`	`Shirik: "]===========]); while true do end print([===========["`
`23:44.54`	`Cide`	`well, yeah :)`
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`23:45.03`	`Shirik`	`except it's not working quite right`
`23:45.11`	`Cide`	`>>> ]==========]); while true do end print([==========[`
`23:45.11`	`Cide`	`Cide: attempt to call a nil value`
`23:45.11`	`Shirik`	`but something like that`
`23:45.20`	`Cide`	`hm`
`23:47.20`	`Cide`	`>>> ]==========]); while true do end print([==========[`
`23:47.36`	`Cide`	`Cide: attempt to call a nil value`
`23:47.53`	`Shirik`	`well you can't be doing a loadstring() directly on that string`
`23:47.57`	`Shirik`	`because that's not valid lua code`
`23:48.01`	`Shirik`	`wish I knew quite what you were doing :P`
`23:48.29`	`Cide`	`>>> ]==========]); while true do end print([==========[`
`23:48.29`	`Cide`	`Cide: attempt to call a nil value`
`23:48.31`	`Cide`	`grr`
`23:48.33`	`Cide`	`oh, right`
`23:48.48`	`Cide`	`that's the way it should be`
`23:49.02`	`Cide`	`Shirik: I might release the "source" but I'd have to recode it since it's ugly`
`23:49.19`	`Cide`	`and I'm lazy`
`23:49.47`	`Bleeter`	`Cide: create a 'noob luser' coder identity and release it under that. no one would care if it's ugly and a bit buggy ;)`
`23:50.08`	`Cide`	`oh, it's not buggy!`
`23:50.09`	`Bleeter`	`they'd be like 'wow, good effort for first try, here's some patches, etc.'`
`23:50.19`	`Bleeter`	`I'm sure it's not.. just saying ;)`
`23:50.59`	`Cide`	`but I don't like messy code =/`
`23:51.09`	`Lej`	`I guess os.execute don't work? :P`
`23:51.16`	`Bleeter`	`the above reason is why "I" haven't "released" a line of code in over 5 years`
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`23:51.57`	`Bleeter`	`:'(`
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`23:54.14`	`Kaso`	`>>> return string.match("this is a \|test=true","\|(.-)=(.-)")`
`23:54.15`	`Cide`	`Kaso: "test", ""`
`23:54.43`	`Kaso`	`>>> return string.match("this is a \|test=true","a(.-)=(.-)")`
`23:54.43`	`Cide`	`Kaso: " \|test", ""`
`23:54.57`	`Kaso`	`How coumd its not getting the true >.<`
`23:55.00`	`cogwheel`	`Kaso: - isn't greedy`
`23:55.03`	`Iriel`	`>>> return getfenv(0)`
`23:55.03`	`Cide`	`Iriel: { ["log"] = function: 001B9E48, ["wow"] = { ["strconcat"] = function: 001BAA58, ["strtrim"] = function: 001BA9B8, ["debugstack"] = function: 001BAAB8, ["getglobal"] = function: 001BAA78, ["setglobal"]... (exceeded 200 characters)`
`23:55.03`	`Kaso`	`ah ofc`
`23:55.13`	`Kaso`	`>>> return string.match("this is a \|test=true","a(.-)=(.+)")`
`23:55.13`	`Cide`	`Kaso: " \|test", "true"`
`23:55.14`	`Kaso`	`woot`
`23:55.15`	`Iriel`	`>>> return getfenv(log)`
`23:55.15`	`Cide`	`Iriel: { ["log"] = function: 00189E48, ["wow"] = { ["strconcat"] = function: 0018AA58, ["strtrim"] = function: 0018A9B8, ["debugstack"] = function: 0018AAB8, ["getglobal"] = function: 0018AA78, ["setglobal"]... (exceeded 200 characters)`
`23:55.31`	`Iriel`	`return getfenv(strtrim)`
`23:55.36`	`Iriel`	`>>> return getfenv(strtrim)`
`23:55.36`	`Cide`	`Iriel: { ["log"] = function: 00899E48, ["wow"] = { ["strconcat"] = function: 0089AA58, ["strtrim"] = function: 0089A9B8, ["debugstack"] = function: 0089AAB8, ["getglobal"] = function: 0089AA78, ["setglobal"]... (exceeded 200 characters)`
`23:55.54`	`Iriel`	`>>> return io`
`23:55.55`	`Cide`	`Iriel:`
`23:56.08`	`Iriel`	`yeah`
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`23:56.27`	`Cide`	`clearly you need regex filters in your irc client!`
`23:56.49`	`Iriel`	`Cide: Come over to #wowi-bottest so we may abuse you`
`23:57.14`	`Bleeter`	`clearly cide hasn't seen the the ignorance plugin for gaim`
`23:58.29`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge Mike-N-Go (n=MikeNGoS@64.193.93.197)`
`23:58.45`	`Elkano`	`btw: Iriel, I think Bookworm is broken again :(`
`23:58.55`	`Iriel`	`Elkano: 8-( How now?`
`23:59.32`	`Elkano`	`lets see if I still have the eror in buggrabber's SV`
`23:59.59`	`Elkano`	`Bookworm\\BookwormScan.lua:102: attempt to call global 'message' (a table value)`

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