| 00:00.07 | Bleeter | gaim-text in screen is cool |
| 00:00.10 | AnduinLothar | ichat ftw |
| 00:00.13 | TC_Working | it would take quite a while why they didnt work for me |
| 00:00.18 | TC_Working | to say why* |
| 00:00.19 | Cairenn | I like Trillian, but I prefer Gaim's IRC client |
| 00:00.37 | TC_Working | with trillian it was the IRC program that sucked |
| 00:00.39 | TC_Working | heh yea |
| 00:01.00 | Bleeter | 15/15 gaim devs agree, our irc sucks (most of us prefer irssi) |
| 00:01.13 | TC_Working | though i didnt really care for gaims either...now i use 2 sepirate programs |
| 00:01.40 | Cairenn | beyond that, there are somethings one does better than the other, but the IRC client differences were the cincher for me |
| 00:01.57 | Shirik | tbh |
| 00:02.02 | Shirik | the only thing I've ever used gaim for |
| 00:02.03 | Shirik | was irc |
| 00:02.04 | Bleeter | Cairenn: c'mon, you only use it so you can bug me when it crashes out :p |
| 00:02.09 | Shirik | because I couldn't install anythin |
| 00:02.12 | zenzelezz | I still think IRC isn't "IM" in the same way as MSN/ICQ/those protocols, so I like to have separate programs for them |
| 00:02.22 | TC_Working | home time for me, laters all |
| 00:02.27 | Cairenn | later TC_Working |
| 00:02.28 | Bleeter | safe travels, TC_Working |
| 00:02.49 | TC_Working | (though i dont disconnect my IRC session so dont let that fool you) |
| 00:02.58 | clad|work | TC_Working: I'm still offended, my IM client is on there =) |
| 00:03.06 | TC_Working | huh clad|work? |
| 00:03.09 | Cairenn | zenzelezz: I sorta agree with you, but I have so many things to try to keep track of, being able to consolidate them all in one is just too convenient to not |
| 00:03.18 | TC_Working | that wasnt a list of programs i hate |
| 00:03.27 | clad|work | err isn't on there. |
| 00:03.38 | TC_Working | oh..well it is a wiki you can put it on |
| 00:03.44 | clad|work | I know =) |
| 00:03.49 | clad|work | but it runs in emacs |
| 00:03.53 | clad|work | so it has limited appeal |
| 00:04.41 | pastamancer | erc? |
| 00:04.41 | TC_Working | doesnt hurt to let people know about it though |
| 00:04.41 | Calmcacil | :D http://armory.wow-europe.com/#character-sheet.xml?r=Moonglade&n=Pagasus |
| 00:04.42 | AnduinLothar | mac has 2 good irc programs, and no good aim clients imo |
| 00:04.42 | clad|work | I dont have any issues with Adium |
| 00:04.58 | AnduinLothar | it's missing my favorite ichat feature |
| 00:05.14 | AnduinLothar | name announcing on new im |
| 00:05.19 | clad|work | ah |
| 00:06.43 | AnduinLothar | that's liek the only reason i use ichat |
| 00:07.33 | Bleeter | name announcing? (sorry, been a while since I've used iChat) |
| 00:07.47 | Shirik | take care all, be back in a few hours |
| 00:10.48 | AnduinLothar | you can have it read the name of the person who sent you an im |
| 00:11.12 | AnduinLothar | so since it's combined with address book it reads the real name |
| 00:11.59 | AnduinLothar | and i dotn have to remember screen names or enter them all manually |
| 00:12.26 | AnduinLothar | read as in text to speach |
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| 00:12.49 | Bleeter | ah, kinda sounds related to some work that's currently going on in the Bonjour/XMPP |
| 00:13.23 | Bleeter | bounjour as implemented by iChat is a small subset of XMPP, causing some pain in implementation and compatibility, etc. |
| 00:13.28 | AnduinLothar | it's been in ichat since beta |
| 00:14.01 | AnduinLothar | i dont actually think it has to do with those tho |
| 00:14.32 | AnduinLothar | you just put the sn's in your AddressBook and it uses them in ichat |
| 00:16.01 | Bleeter | just reading a post from adium's author, seems they're currently relying on libezv, might be a limitation in that (amongst other noted limitations)... /shrug the adium guy (evan s) knows his stuff, so I guess there's some kinda reason. |
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| 00:17.15 | clad|work | Adium is crazy active as far as development goes |
| 00:18.27 | Bleeter | it's development has certainly assisted gaim in it's ui/core split. gaim-text wouldn't be as mature (or as buggy, I guess ;-) as it is now without their efforts, etc. |
| 00:20.42 | clad|work | holy shitznit.. i have a lot of photos. |
| 00:21.54 | clad|work | 9.4 gigs |
| 00:21.54 | clad|work | and i'm not done importing yet. |
| 00:27.22 | cursenet | ichat is nice |
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| 00:42.01 | clad|work | hrm? |
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| 01:42.12 | Bleeter | hah http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/java-patches/2007-q2/msg00000.html |
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| 01:47.07 | Nom- | lol |
| 01:47.12 | Nom- | That's insane, Bleeter |
| 01:47.19 | Nom- | My advice, get a new puter if it's that slow |
| 01:47.36 | Nom- | brb caffeine time |
| 01:49.08 | kergoth | hahah |
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| 02:14.18 | cogwheel | Kirkburn: ping |
| 02:14.30 | cogwheel | (or anyone familiar with vista, really...) |
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| 02:23.18 | Nom- | mmm cafeine |
| 02:23.21 | Nom- | I feel it working... |
| 02:23.27 | cogwheel | oooh... speaking of which... |
| 02:23.33 | cogwheel | left mine downstairs... |
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| 02:36.50 | TC | cogwheel, whats your vista question? |
| 02:37.13 | cogwheel | was wondering if there's any way to get the "Connect To" start menu item to display as a menu (like XP) |
| 02:37.37 | Mr_Rabies2|away | probably similarly to how you mess with xp's |
| 02:37.38 | Mr_Rabies2|away | i dunno |
| 02:37.52 | Mr_Rabies2|away | right click the menu, hit properties and mess around in there, if that works, heh |
| 02:38.10 | cogwheel | nope... it's just a checkbox in there :( |
| 02:38.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | :[ |
| 02:38.17 | Thunder_Child | hmm...i could do that but i had always switched it to the other style menus |
| 02:38.20 | cogwheel | other things are menuable |
| 02:38.20 | Thunder_Child | older style |
| 02:38.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | xp has 3 options |
| 02:38.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | Network connections, connect to, or off |
| 02:39.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't use connect to so it's not a problem because i'm not a loser with 56k |
| 02:39.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | just kidding :p |
| 02:39.27 | cogwheel | Who says I use it for dialup? |
| 02:39.29 | cogwheel | :P |
| 02:39.35 | cogwheel | VPN 4tw |
| 02:39.40 | MentalPower|Univ | Warning: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at /home/jcarrothers/doc/Localizer/header.php:210) in /home/jcarrothers/doc/Localizer/index.php on line 24 |
| 02:39.56 | MentalPower|Univ | oops |
| 02:40.56 | Nom- | rofl |
| 02:41.03 | Nom- | "speedboost" |
| 02:41.16 | cogwheel | gotta love marketing :P |
| 02:41.32 | Nom- | Cable = 11Mbps HUB |
| 02:42.09 | Nom- | What's the fastest speed you've ever gotten, sustained, on cable? |
| 02:42.33 | cogwheel | about 1.2MBps |
| 02:42.59 | cogwheel | most sites aren't willing to serve data that fast though >< |
| 02:43.50 | cogwheel | usually it's somewhere from 600-850 KB/s |
| 02:44.39 | Nom- | Yeah, that's 11Mbps cable |
| 02:44.56 | Nom- | I've got a 6.5Mbps DSL Link (could be faster, but i'm too far from the exchange). |
| 02:45.03 | Thunder_Child | they are doing FiOS to the door and getting 40-60Mb/s dl |
| 02:45.06 | Nom- | I max that out on ever download...up to about 700Kbps |
| 02:45.11 | Nom- | 700 KBps even |
| 02:45.54 | Nom- | I can tell you now, yo're not on 6Mbps...you're on 11Mbps shared |
| 02:46.05 | Nom- | So if your neighbour downloads flat out, your speed is reduced by half |
| 02:46.22 | cogwheel | nah... i'm pretty sure it's faster than that |
| 02:47.10 | cogwheel | Sometimes my DL speed gets up to about 20Mbps |
| 02:47.33 | cogwheel | (rated at 6) |
| 02:47.53 | cogwheel | Comcast just upgraded this area a couple years ago |
| 02:49.05 | Nom- | It's still a HUB :P |
| 02:49.08 | cogwheel | When I first subscribed they were only offering 3Mbps |
| 02:49.24 | Nom- | Nah, what they're offering is uncapped cable |
| 02:49.39 | Nom- | They're marketing it as 3Mbps since that's probably what they thought they'd be able to supply to every customer |
| 02:49.51 | Nom- | At the end of the day, it's still a bug giant hub...that's the problem with cable |
| 02:49.53 | cogwheel | Nom-: undoubtedly, but still... I'm out in the boonies with a bunch of backwards farmer types so I think I get this hub all to myself XD |
| 02:49.55 | Nom- | There's no dedicated bandwidth |
| 02:50.24 | Nom- | Well you're lucky the |
| 02:50.26 | Nom- | *then |
| 02:50.37 | Nom- | I could get cable at home, but frankly it's not worth the $$ |
| 02:51.27 | cogwheel | I think i'd be able to live with T1 speed (which we have at work) but still... when you see the download speed change from KB/s to MB/s it just makes you feel giddy >< |
| 02:51.57 | Nom- | heh |
| 02:51.57 | cogwheel | (and downloading a 3gb iso image in just over an hour doesn't hurt either :P ) |
| 02:52.11 | Nom- | The DSL we offer here has a max speed of 24Mbps |
| 02:52.23 | Nom- | You gotta be within 1KM of the exchange to get close to that speed though |
| 02:52.25 | cogwheel | holy crap... what country are you from? |
| 02:52.30 | Nom- | Australia :P |
| 02:52.46 | cogwheel | DSL makes out at 1.5 here still afaik |
| 02:52.53 | Nom- | heh |
| 02:52.59 | cogwheel | s/makes/maxes |
| 02:52.59 | Nom- | Let me find a line |
| 02:53.48 | Nom- | Channel 0 |
| 02:53.48 | Nom- | Bit Rate 14344 kbps 14356 kbps |
| 02:54.10 | Nom- | He's getting 14Mbps / 2.5Mbps |
| 02:54.38 | Nom- | *finds another user on ADSL2+* |
| 02:54.54 | cogwheel | damn... even on cable my max upload is 384k iirc... |
| 02:55.08 | cogwheel | (might be up to 768... haven't checked recently) |
| 02:56.16 | Nom- | awww |
| 02:56.24 | Nom- | can't recall any accounts that get 24mb |
| 02:56.25 | cogwheel | ooooh... just downloaded java at 1.25 MB/s :) |
| 02:56.40 | Nom- | Found someone on 15/1 :) |
| 02:57.15 | Nom- | Personally, i'm on 7.3/1 at the moment |
| 02:57.17 | Karrion | I must get around to fiddling my modem setting to push me above 8mbps some time... >.> |
| 02:58.32 | Nom- | Karrion: You get 8Mbps on ADSL1 ? |
| 02:58.47 | Nom- | Karrion: That's an almost guaranteed 18Mbps+ on ADSL2+ if you are |
| 02:59.13 | cogwheel | :( |
| 02:59.21 | cogwheel | speed test just clocked me at 9568/361 |
| 02:59.33 | Nom- | That's cable for ya :P |
| 02:59.45 | Nom- | Cable is most definately *not* the way of the future |
| 02:59.47 | cogwheel | and that's like the fastest speed in the whole state without paying 4 digits |
| 02:59.56 | Nom- | And most ISPs who've done rollouts of their own will know that |
| 02:59.58 | cogwheel | Nom-: considering my alternatives... |
| 03:00.10 | Karrion | I'm on a 2+ line, but I was having stability issues so I've got my modem locked on g.dmt at the moment |
| 03:00.21 | Nom- | DSL > Cable > DoV > ISDN > Dialup |
| 03:00.40 | cogwheel | over here Cable > DSL |
| 03:00.43 | cogwheel | by a long shot |
| 03:00.49 | Tem | same here |
| 03:00.56 | Nom- | Only because your ISPs are idiots ^_^ |
| 03:01.00 | cogwheel | No |
| 03:01.05 | cogwheel | it's our phone system |
| 03:01.18 | Nom- | It's a lot better than ours :P |
| 03:01.21 | cogwheel | it can only handle 24 x 56kbps on a copper pair |
| 03:01.30 | cogwheel | s/phone system/FCC/ |
| 03:01.31 | Karrion | one of these days I'll risk the downtime and fiddle with the account's speed manager thing and try and get 2+ working fully |
| 03:01.41 | Nom- | err...DSL doesn't need anything special |
| 03:01.49 | Nom- | Just copper line back to the exchange |
| 03:02.01 | Karrion | with no RIM or anything in between |
| 03:02.03 | Nom- | The DSL equipment is installed at the exchange, and that's it |
| 03:02.11 | Nom- | You can DSL enable a RIM, Karrion |
| 03:02.33 | Karrion | you can now? I know you couldn't at one point, back in the early days |
| 03:02.43 | Nom- | No, you always could |
| 03:02.46 | Karrion | or maybe Telstra just didn't want to |
| 03:02.48 | Nom- | It's just Telstra doesn't allow it over here |
| 03:02.55 | Karrion | ah |
| 03:03.32 | Nom- | You can build your own box on the side of the road with your DSLAM gear in it, and power and run patches between the RIM and the DSLAM cabinet |
| 03:03.36 | Nom- | No problems |
| 03:04.01 | Nom- | It's a lot more difficult than an exchange building, but certainly plausible |
| 03:06.01 | Nom- | That happens a lot, Karrion ... people mistake Telstra policy as technological limitations :) |
| 03:06.12 | Karrion | been I while since I did anything telco related, and even then it was software switching, no hardware except plugging in the occasional E1 line |
| 03:08.10 | Nom- | Even still... :) |
| 03:08.41 | Nom- | There's a massive misconception in Australia that things can't be done due to technological limitations, when it's nothing to do with the technology |
| 03:09.07 | Karrion | doesn't surprise me |
| 03:09.35 | Nom- | For instance, many of the big exchanges in Perth are physically full...there's no room to put any more equipment in the exchange. Many people believe there's some kind of technological limitation stopping rollouts from going into that exchange. |
| 03:10.22 | Nom- | The single most annoying thing is Telstra's exchange access queue |
| 03:10.37 | Nom- | You don't know what position you are in the queue, or the state that other providers are at in their work |
| 03:10.47 | Nom- | All you know is that you're in the queue and have to wait your turn |
| 03:11.18 | Nom- | So you've got massive companies like Optus and iiNet tries to rollout ADSL into some exchanges, and they can't even so "Oh, it's going to be 6 months" because they don't know how long it's going to be |
| 03:11.19 | Karrion | heh, lovely |
| 03:12.26 | Karrion | is it true that even when, say, iinet owns the dslams etc in the exchange, they have to get telstra contractors to actually do anything to them (physically)? |
| 03:13.48 | Mr_Rabies | youtube isn't working on my laptop but it is on my desktop @_@ |
| 03:14.14 | Mr_Rabies | well, in firefox at least, i think, i dunno |
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| 03:17.19 | Mr_Rabies | i also can't connect to freenode @_@ |
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| 03:18.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | there it goes |
| 03:22.13 | Nom- | Karrion: Yea...all connections/disconnections etc are done by Telstra |
| 03:22.41 | Karrion | that's so screwy |
| 03:23.03 | Nom- | They can go in to (for instance) replace a faulty DSLAM |
| 03:23.26 | Nom- | But they can't touch the MDF which is where all the line => dsl => phone hookups are done |
| 03:25.58 | cybane|work | Hey all |
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| 03:47.32 | Tem | oh /my/ |
| 03:47.42 | Tem | and when does Heroes begin airing new episodes again? |
| 03:48.30 | Karrion | 23 apr in the US |
| 03:48.53 | Karrion | we're still like 6 episodes behind in au |
| 03:49.05 | Tem | lolz |
| 03:49.22 | Tem | well, ep 16 was probably the coolest I've ever seen |
| 03:49.26 | Tem | and 18 was damn good too |
| 03:49.31 | Karrion | ya |
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| 03:50.00 | Tem | *sigh* it shall be a long month waiting for the 23rd |
| 03:50.17 | Tem | oh well |
| 03:51.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | i was about to ask what happened then |
| 03:51.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | and then i started reading up |
| 03:51.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | :p |
| 04:14.49 | Nom- | bleh, i took the plunge |
| 04:14.56 | Nom- | Extra 1GB RAM and a copy of Vista are on the way |
| 04:15.07 | Nom- | I just hope I don't regret it ^_^ |
| 04:16.09 | Kirov | You don't already? |
| 04:19.59 | Tierrie | you will |
| 04:20.04 | Tierrie | my vista and wow was incompatible |
| 04:20.33 | MentalPower | not mine |
| 04:20.35 | MentalPower | works fine |
| 04:20.44 | Tierrie | do you have x-fi? |
| 04:20.44 | MentalPower | even Windows+Tab works with WoW running |
| 04:21.03 | Tierrie | what graphics card and sound card? |
| 04:21.26 | MentalPower | ATI X1300, Audigy 2 (the laptop kind) |
| 04:21.47 | Tierrie | hm |
| 04:21.55 | Tierrie | i have the 1950 |
| 04:21.58 | Tierrie | and x-fi |
| 04:22.00 | Tierrie | it no worky |
| 04:30.39 | Nom- | MentalPower: 64-bit ? |
| 04:33.51 | MentalPower | 32 |
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| 04:34.52 | Nom- | I'm going for the 64-bit version :) |
| 04:35.03 | Nom- | Shouldn't matter...it has a 32-bit compatability layer |
| 04:36.44 | Shirik | umm |
| 04:36.55 | Shirik | without knowing anything about what you were talking about, I'll jump in and say |
| 04:37.15 | Shirik | all 64-bit processors designed for home use also support the ia32 instruction set as well |
| 04:37.39 | Tem | above* |
| 04:37.43 | Nom- | Yes, Shirik |
| 04:37.52 | Nom- | I'm talking about Vista |
| 04:38.14 | Nom- | The 64-bit version supports 32-bit compat mode for non64-bit games etc |
| 04:38.27 | Shirik | heh... |
| 04:38.31 | Shirik | I don't see why it would matter |
| 04:38.44 | Shirik | the machine code is exactly the same |
| 04:39.10 | Nom- | Not really |
| 04:39.29 | Nom- | You can't run 64-bit apps under 32-bit Windows Vista |
| 04:40.06 | Shirik | that's different |
| 04:40.19 | Shirik | the 64 bit code is not compatible in the 32 bit environment |
| 04:40.32 | Shirik | but, 32 bit code should always be compatible in a 64 bit environment, because the instruction set is identical |
| 04:41.01 | Shirik | unlike ia64, AMD's 64-bit set is a superset of ia32 |
| 04:42.24 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD64 |
| 04:42.29 | Shirik | interesting, they used the same terms I did :P |
| 04:42.48 | Shirik | I thought I was making it sound more complex then it need to be |
| 04:42.53 | MentalPower | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64 |
| 04:42.55 | MentalPower | bah |
| 04:46.28 | Nom- | The vista web site sucks |
| 04:46.38 | Nom- | Trying to find system requirements, and it's hopeless |
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| 04:48.03 | MentalPower | download the compatibility thingy |
| 04:48.11 | MentalPower | its quite good (surprisingly) |
| 04:48.42 | Nom- | Can't run it on my machine...i'm at work :) |
| 04:49.09 | Nom- | I just had a concern when Shirik pointed out that the AMD64 != Intel64 |
| 04:49.18 | Shirik | mmm be careful |
| 04:49.24 | Shirik | ia32 != Intel64 |
| 04:49.25 | MentalPower | its not that much of a difference |
| 04:49.26 | Shirik | er |
| 04:49.30 | Shirik | ia64 != Intel64 |
| 04:49.37 | Nom- | As far as I know, Vista 64 works fine with AMD64 |
| 04:49.46 | Shirik | ia64 is Itanium processors, etc. |
| 04:49.52 | Shirik | Intel64 is identical to AMD64 |
| 04:49.52 | MentalPower | and works fine with Intel64 |
| 04:50.05 | MentalPower | not identical but close enough |
| 04:50.07 | Shirik | which is identical to x86-64 |
| 04:50.25 | Shirik | MentalPower: Read the very article you linked ;) |
| 04:50.27 | Shirik | "who have since renamed it AMD64. This architecture has also been adopted by Intel under the name Intel 64 (formerly known as Yamhill, Clackamas Technology (CT), IA-32e, and most recently EM64T).[1] This leads to the common use of the names x86-64 or x64 as more vendor-neutral terms to collectively refer to the two nearly identical implementations." |
| 04:50.42 | Nom- | Right, I just got concerned for a minute that Vista 64-bit might not work for an Athlon 64 X2 processor |
| 04:51.02 | Shirik | And this is why people need to think up better names instead of trying to rake in free $$ |
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| 04:51.12 | Shirik | we have 20 different names for the same architecture now -_- |
| 04:51.19 | Nom- | Right, so shouldn't be a problem...that's good :) |
| 04:51.29 | Shirik | right |
| 04:51.47 | Shirik | Man I remember a couple of years ago I wanted to get an itanium |
| 04:51.50 | Shirik | just so I could say I had one |
| 04:51.52 | Nom- | I mean, I know that Athlon 64 is fully backwards compatable to 32-bit, but I just wanted to confirm what the Vista 64-bit was designed for, and what it worked with |
| 04:52.10 | Nom- | lol, they didn't last long, eh Shirik ? |
| 04:52.26 | Shirik | I... think they're still used in some high-end server environments |
| 04:52.28 | Nom- | That's actually the same reason I didn't install Ubuntu 64-bit |
| 04:52.31 | Shirik | but the processor itself costs about $2k |
| 04:52.37 | Nom- | Who wants to put an OS on where 90% of stuff doesn't work? :/ |
| 04:52.42 | Shirik | not to mention the hardware and software to run on it |
| 04:53.16 | Nom- | We're about to convert our DB2 servers over to pure 64-bit architecture tho :P |
| 04:53.25 | Nom- | That's going to be rather interesting ^_^ |
| 04:55.59 | Shirik | wow, I was way off |
| 04:56.10 | Shirik | 1.6GHz Itanium2 is over $5k |
| 04:56.30 | Shirik | 6MB L3 cache, 400MHz FSB |
| 04:56.45 | Nom- | Yup, that's the kind of process we'd be getting :P |
| 04:57.04 | Nom- | There's only one real reason to get those .... 4GB barrier |
| 04:57.28 | Nom- | Even the Athlon 64 range can't beat the 4GB barrier (to my knowledge) because they're still 32-bit architechture |
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| 04:59.30 | Kirov | In a party, the player is always unitid "party1", correct? |
| 04:59.41 | Kirov | if s/he is the leader |
| 05:00.00 | Kirov | or does the player get a party#? |
| 05:02.23 | Nom- | i believe that it's party1..4 |
| 05:03.07 | Nom- | Yeah, there's only part1...4 |
| 05:03.13 | Nom- | party1..4 even |
| 05:03.25 | Nom- | So you can't look for yourself in the party listing |
| 05:03.25 | Kirov | thanks |
| 05:03.47 | Kirov | Been doing too many raid related functions, heh |
| 05:03.55 | Nom- | You *do* show up in Raid, but not Party |
| 05:06.42 | Shirik | Nom-'s right |
| 05:06.51 | Shirik | and yeah that had me screwed up for so long |
| 05:06.57 | Shirik | after dealing with raids for so long |
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| 05:10.16 | Nom- | Yeah, until BC it was like who parties any more lol |
| 05:10.35 | Tem | wow... |
| 05:10.58 | Tem | This guy doesn't know that you can rotate the camera with the mouse |
| 05:11.02 | Nom- | Now we're actually partying all the time ... all the new instances, heroics everything |
| 05:11.08 | Nom- | Tem: lol |
| 05:11.15 | Tem | " I've only ever been able to see the back of my own head, or a profile (if I chase myself around in circles). How do I see myself front-on, in order to snap a lovely self-portrait?" |
| 05:11.30 | Nom- | bahahaha |
| 05:11.46 | Nom- | Tell him, "Press the left mouse button down, and move your mouse to the right." |
| 05:12.02 | Tem | it's already been replied to |
| 05:12.17 | Tem | with a response that could be /dripping/ with sarcasm |
| 05:12.31 | Tem | I'm not entirely sure |
| 05:12.56 | JunkHead-Work | I remember reading a post once on the forums. It was from a priest or something. |
| 05:13.07 | JunkHead-Work | And they mentione dbeing in a group and drawing aggro. |
| 05:13.19 | JunkHead-Work | And watching the tank turn around slowly using the keyboard keys. |
| 05:13.34 | Nom- | LOL |
| 05:13.39 | JunkHead-Work | I've seen that before. I find it hilarious. |
| 05:13.42 | Tem | lol |
| 05:13.55 | Tem | I don't understand how people can stand using the keyboard rotations at all |
| 05:13.57 | JunkHead-Work | Seeing a character turn around really slowly. |
| 05:14.00 | Nom- | The only time I do that is when i'm clocking on summoning portals |
| 05:14.04 | Nom- | spin around in circles :P |
| 05:14.05 | JunkHead-Work | I dunno either. |
| 05:14.11 | Nom- | I use strafe a lot tho |
| 05:14.20 | JunkHead-Work | The first thing I do when I install the game is change the keys. |
| 05:14.28 | Tem | the first thing I do when I'm setting up my interface is rebinding a and d to strafe |
| 05:14.28 | JunkHead-Work | A and D become strafe left and right. |
| 05:14.33 | JunkHead-Work | Yup. |
| 05:14.44 | JunkHead-Work | I don't even have turn keys. It's either mouse or nothing. |
| 05:14.50 | Nom- | btw, anyone else noticed that on the Big Bad Wolf, you get hit if you strafe, or change direction using anything but mouse look? |
| 05:14.54 | Tem | I keep the turn keys on the arrows |
| 05:15.02 | Nom- | Must be a lag thing or something |
| 05:15.09 | Nom- | Like the game makes you stand still for a second |
| 05:15.21 | Tem | I haven't played since BC |
| 05:15.27 | Tem | my main is still 60 |
| 05:15.35 | JunkHead-Work | Tem - I forgot about those. Since I never use them. |
| 05:15.35 | Nom- | 8-| |
| 05:15.40 | Tem | without a single point of exp |
| 05:15.50 | Nom- | You'll have some XP :P |
| 05:15.57 | Nom- | Noone hits 60 with exactly 0 XP |
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| 05:17.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | i had like, 50 or so |
| 05:17.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | dinged in scholo |
| 05:18.13 | Nom- | yah |
| 05:18.17 | Nom- | you never hit with exactly 0 :) |
| 05:18.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | you technically could |
| 05:18.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | but it's unlikely |
| 05:18.30 | Tem | actually no, I have zero |
| 05:18.35 | Tem | they purged it a long time ago |
| 05:18.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | they purged rest exp, not carryover |
| 05:18.45 | Nom- | lol if you've been 60 long enough, sure |
| 05:19.09 | Tem | I'm fairly sure |
| 05:19.21 | Tem | sigh, you bastards are going to make me log in and check, aren't you |
| 05:19.21 | Nom- | You will, the default game UI doesn't display it though |
| 05:19.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | it could be something that gave you exactly the required amount of exp to level |
| 05:19.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | which is improbable, but possible |
| 05:19.38 | Nom- | Even my level 70 paladin still has some XP towards level 71 |
| 05:19.45 | Tem | Mr_Rabies2, no, I remember dinging on a bear in wpl |
| 05:19.51 | Tem | I had like 64exp left |
| 05:20.04 | Nom- | Tem: And the bear would not have been worth 64 exp |
| 05:20.12 | Nom- | It would have been worth 120 maybe or something like that |
| 05:20.16 | Tem | no |
| 05:20.20 | Tem | 64 exp left over |
| 05:20.23 | Nom- | So you'd have 60ish XP towards level 61 |
| 05:20.24 | Tem | extra |
| 05:20.29 | Tem | I had 64 exp towards 61 |
| 05:20.31 | Tem | they purged it |
| 05:20.45 | Nom- | How long ago? |
| 05:20.46 | cybane | it is 64 exp |
| 05:20.55 | Nom- | Just before TBC release? If so, then they didn't |
| 05:20.58 | Tem | yep, just checked |
| 05:21.01 | Tem | it's gone |
| 05:21.06 | Tem | Nom-, like a year ago |
| 05:21.08 | Nom- | Oh well, sucks to be you :P |
| 05:21.12 | Tem | not really |
| 05:21.19 | Tem | I could give a shit about that character |
| 05:21.20 | Corrodias | ya really |
| 05:21.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | i guess they purged carryover AND rest |
| 05:21.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | hrm |
| 05:21.33 | Tem | s/wow/ |
| 05:21.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | i seem to remember still having my 50 left |
| 05:21.35 | Tem | damnit |
| 05:21.41 | Tem | I could give a shit about that wow |
| 05:21.45 | Tem | ... |
| 05:21.49 | Nom- | Mr_Rabies2: You spam too much |
| 05:21.51 | Tem | I could give a shit about wow\ |
| 05:21.54 | Corrodias | i could shit on your WoW |
| 05:22.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | spam? :O |
| 05:22.03 | Tem | s/\\// |
| 05:22.08 | Nom- | 13:19 [freenode] -Mr_Rabies2(i=catbutts@adsl-066-156-082-132.sip.asm.bellsouth.net)- STOP SLAPPING ME NOOB STOP SLAPPING ME NOOB STOP SLAPPING ME NOOB STOP SLAPPING ME NOOB STOP SLAPPING ME NOOB STOP SLAPPING ME NOOB STOP SLAPPING ME NOOB STOP SLAPPING ME NOOB STOP SLAPPING ME NOOB STOP SLAPPING ME |
| 05:22.13 | Nom- | 13:19 [freenode] -Mr_Rabies(n=Mr_Rabie@adsl-066-156-082-132.sip.asm.bellsouth.net)- BLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLREOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO SRUNCHI SCRUNCH CRUNCH SCRUNCH GRUNGA MOW MOW MOW MOW BLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLREOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO SRUNCHI SCRUNCH CRUNCH SCRUNCH GRUNGA MOW MOW MOW |
| 05:22.17 | Corrodias | i am AT sbcglobal.net! |
| 05:22.18 | Nom- | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:22.19 | Corrodias | TAKE THAT |
| 05:22.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | when did you slap me |
| 05:22.22 | Nom- | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:22.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh |
| 05:22.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | agrees with |
| 05:22.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | haha |
| 05:22.53 | Nom- | lol |
| 05:22.56 | AnduinLothar | um.. wtf |
| 05:22.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | the majority of emotes towards me are slaps, so there ya go :p |
| 05:23.05 | Nom- | haha |
| 05:24.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | i wish this server had masks :[ |
| 05:24.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't like my IP all flapping in the wind |
| 05:25.56 | Corrodias | it's like wearing no pants |
| 05:25.59 | Corrodias | but i don't mind that |
| 05:26.36 | Nom- | Commando Style. |
| 05:26.44 | Corrodias | well, good night! i must sleep. |
| 05:26.58 | Nom- | Lightweight. |
| 05:27.02 | Nom- | ^_^ |
| 05:27.48 | AnduinLothar | commando is no udnerwear |
| 05:28.00 | AnduinLothar | and i don't even know why |
| 05:28.09 | Nom- | Your point? |
| 05:28.33 | AnduinLothar | oh, sorry. didn't know i needed one |
| 05:28.56 | Tem | baseballs are round, they have no point |
| 05:29.03 | Tem | basketballs, too |
| 05:29.13 | AnduinLothar | good... round |
| 05:29.22 | Nom- | No, but they still hurt when through as high velocity. |
| 05:29.44 | AnduinLothar | ya, wow |
| 05:29.52 | AnduinLothar | definitely a pointless sport |
| 05:31.00 | Tem | can you guess which (if any) sport I might enjoy watching or playing? |
| 05:31.00 | AnduinLothar | archery |
| 05:31.00 | Nom- | Tennis. |
| 05:31.00 | Tem | close |
| 05:31.00 | Nom- | Badmington. |
| 05:31.00 | Nom- | Squash. |
| 05:31.01 | Tem | archery was the closest guess |
| 05:31.01 | Nom- | Croquet. |
| 05:31.01 | AnduinLothar | riflery |
| 05:31.04 | Tem | in concept |
| 05:31.10 | AnduinLothar | rocketry |
| 05:31.14 | Tem | not actually in like.. "sport genre" |
| 05:31.27 | AnduinLothar | axe murduring |
| 05:31.34 | Nom- | That's a sport? |
| 05:31.39 | JunkHead-Work | Lumberjack Competition? |
| 05:31.52 | Tem | think more "mainstream" |
| 05:32.02 | Tem | but with the same logic |
| 05:32.15 | JunkHead-Work | That hunting show with Ted Nugent? |
| 05:32.30 | Tem | The only ball sport with a point |
| 05:32.53 | JunkHead-Work | "omfg hockey!!"? |
| 05:32.55 | Nom- | They have no point... |
| 05:33.07 | Nom- | No sport has a point. |
| 05:33.07 | Tem | American Football (yes, I'm intentionally ignoring rugby. it's a sign of my american arrogance) |
| 05:33.09 | Nom- | That's the point. |
| 05:33.39 | JunkHead-Work | I can watch american football just fine. |
| 05:33.53 | Tem | well no, it was mostly a bad joke that got drawn out too long |
| 05:34.03 | JunkHead-Work | Ok. |
| 05:34.03 | Tem | but I do like footbal |
| 05:34.05 | Tem | l |
| 05:34.22 | JunkHead-Work | Ok are we still trying to guess the sport with a point? |
| 05:34.32 | AnduinLothar | i watched a basketball game a few days ago... learned about shot timers for the first time... |
| 05:34.48 | Tem | think about the ball that is used in football and ask yourself that question again, JunkHead-Work |
| 05:35.08 | JunkHead-Work | Ok nevermind then. |
| 05:35.14 | Tem | =P |
| 05:39.58 | cybane | Would you guys still consider Thunderfury worth getting? |
| 05:41.11 | Tem | ask Ben Stiller's Risk/Reward program |
| 05:41.23 | JunkHead-Work | I got my priest to almost 51 yesterday. |
| 05:41.30 | JunkHead-Work | She's at 82% |
| 05:41.40 | Nom- | cybane: It still generates a buttload of threat... |
| 05:41.49 | Nom- | cybane: So yes, if you can find 25 people willing to farm MC, go for it |
| 05:42.05 | JunkHead-Work | That's my middle name! |
| 05:42.22 | JunkHead-Work | "Junk Buttload of Threat Head" |
| 05:42.38 | Nom- | lol |
| 05:42.55 | Shadowed | it's not worth it |
| 05:43.01 | Nom- | Sorry, but not even a shadowpriest can beat a Paladin with Thunderfury on an Undead/Demon mob |
| 05:43.05 | Nom- | I'd like to see you try |
| 05:43.11 | Nom- | Protection paladin that is |
| 05:43.27 | Shadowed | theres like 50 different tanking weapons available in TBC, no sense in farming for a TF |
| 05:43.30 | Nom- | I'd love to get a Thunderfury :( |
| 05:43.58 | cybane | See the nice thing about TF is that the proc does not get mitigated by armor but level 70s should resist it more often |
| 05:44.24 | Shadowed | they nerfed proc rate, or the threat it generates (one of those) |
| 05:44.34 | Shadowed | it's like a 0.01% drop rate, and you still need to gather the mats |
| 05:45.30 | Shadowed | remember, theres people who farmed MC for years and never got it to drop |
| 05:45.41 | Nom- | They nerfed the threat of the debuff |
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| 05:45.53 | Nom- | Even still, it generates a metric buttload of threat |
| 05:46.12 | Shadowed | not enough for our MT to use it over a kings defender |
| 05:46.13 | Nom- | As you should know, nothing beats a paladin for threat on undead/demon mobs |
| 05:46.19 | Nom- | Except a protection warrior using Thunderfury :/ |
| 05:47.19 | Shadowed | Given that he was pretty pissed about them nerfing it, i'd imagine they made it useless for warriors compared to using regular level 70 weapons unless theres some actual proof :p |
| 05:47.31 | cybane | That is why I am going to be Arms Fury |
| 05:47.35 | Nom- | nah, it's still fukn awesome man |
| 05:47.41 | Nom- | Our MT in Kara uses it still |
| 05:47.45 | JunkHead-Work | I like how when I search for my name on the armory... My character has a relevance of 85%. |
| 05:47.51 | Nom- | and he's keeping up no worries |
| 05:47.52 | Shadowed | Are you level 70? |
| 05:47.57 | JunkHead-Work | And a lvl 33 has a relevance of 100% |
| 05:47.59 | Nom- | Yes, we're all level 70 |
| 05:47.59 | JunkHead-Work | Yes. |
| 05:48.06 | Shadowed | was talking to junkhead nom :p |
| 05:48.20 | JunkHead-Work | A lvl 25 has relevance of 88% |
| 05:48.28 | cybane | IMO people will still use it because they have tanked so long with it they would have to change their tanking |
| 05:48.38 | Shadowed | our MT was using it for uhh |
| 05:49.22 | Shadowed | Since december 2005 and he's doing fine with another weapon |
| 05:49.26 | JunkHead-Work | http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Stormrage&n=Sinessa |
| 05:49.29 | JunkHead-Work | My weapon ^ |
| 05:49.35 | Shadowed | mainly it's the DPS who has to change not the MT |
| 05:49.49 | cybane | What is the original flavor of Jolt? |
| 05:50.22 | nuoHep | tf is still the best aggro generating sword in thegame. the nerfed aggro on a proc does not really matter because it has highest unmitigated dps. plus the bonus of not having to spam clap :) |
| 05:50.22 | cybane | Yeah I know I raided in EQ for like 2 years so I know aggro control |
| 05:50.52 | Nom- | err do you actually need MC for Thunderfury? I'm looking at the details on wowhead, and it indicates you gotta kill a 40-man raid boss in Silithius ? |
| 05:51.10 | Thorarin | After MCx1000 yes :P |
| 05:51.13 | Shadowed | no, you need 2 pieces from MC along with a piece from rag ( 100% drop rate with one piece ) then you kill the boss in silithus |
| 05:51.26 | Nom- | o ryt |
| 05:51.28 | Shadowed | give me numbers or i'm assuming it's not that good anymore, since all i've heard is mainly speculation |
| 05:51.40 | JunkHead-Work | I wonder what my guild will plan for this weekend. |
| 05:52.12 | Nom- | Shadowed: All I can tell you is that our MT in Karazhan has no trouble holding threat on any mob in Karazhan |
| 05:52.40 | Shadowed | And our MT is having no issues without it =p |
| 05:52.53 | Nom- | Yeah, but if you'd see his threat bar in KTM |
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| 05:53.10 | Nom- | It's always twice that of anyone else in the group, even post nerf, with the fix for the threat values |
| 05:53.14 | Shadowed | we don't use KTM, it's a stupid mod =/ |
| 05:53.19 | nuoHep | there is only one weapon better then tf - Mallet of the Tides. we ran some numbers and i must say it blows TF's aggro by far |
| 05:53.48 | Nom- | http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Stormscale&n=Viorate |
| 05:54.09 | Nom- | Absolutely no problem holding aggro on anything in Kara...he's out-threating me when i'm nuking all my holy spells on mobs |
| 05:54.10 | cybane | You also need elementium from BWL |
| 05:54.11 | Shadowed | Also, you're ignoring the fact that KTM is still factoring in auto attacks sunder devastate and so on, just because he's double with TF doesn't mean he wouldn't be without it |
| 05:54.38 | subbawt | what is his threat per second |
| 05:54.51 | Shadowed | salv, passive threat reduction, ect on DPS also |
| 05:54.55 | Nom- | > 1000, subbawt |
| 05:55.15 | nuoHep | the one real problem with TF is that it has shit tank stats |
| 05:55.29 | Nom- | I push about 1100 when i've got holy shield up and the mobs are hitting on me |
| 05:55.36 | Shadowed | err |
| 05:55.39 | Nom- | He pushes harder than me :P |
| 05:55.41 | Shadowed | is the gear in that profile tank or dps |
| 05:55.53 | cybane | See I think some people use TF as a crutch so they do not have to have their raid use aggro control |
| 05:56.00 | cybane | People are not happy unless they can max DPS |
| 05:56.02 | Nom- | Shadowed: Probably a mix... |
| 05:56.32 | Shadowed | not really sure why he's using a HOJ at 70 with a 1H |
| 05:57.12 | Nom- | Shadowed: mm...looks like his tank set |
| 05:57.23 | Shadowed | errr |
| 05:57.29 | Shadowed | why is your MT using wrath boots and a HOJ then... |
| 05:57.53 | Nom- | dunno :P |
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| 05:57.57 | Nom- | I'll ask him when he logs on tonight |
| 05:58.04 | Nom- | If he logs on before maintenance |
| 05:58.15 | Shadowed | Also, ask him why he's using Battlemaster =p |
| 05:58.34 | Shadowed | oh wait the wowhead description is wrong |
| 05:59.13 | nuoHep | http://armory.wow-europe.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Stonemaul&n=Zlobnyak thats our mt |
| 05:59.47 | nuoHep | crusader sucks of course but he wont trade it for anything %) |
| 06:00.18 | Shadowed | not even AGI? =p |
| 06:00.30 | Nom- | hmm his defense looks low actually |
| 06:00.35 | Nom- | He must have changed some gear before logging |
| 06:00.41 | Shadowed | he has no pants or trinket |
| 06:00.46 | JunkHead-Work | I just looked up out MT. |
| 06:00.55 | Nom- | Coz I know he has 292 defense in full tank gear |
| 06:01.01 | JunkHead-Work | I don't think he has on his Tanking gear though so point in linking it. |
| 06:01.15 | Nom- | oh wait...it probably doesn't take into account talents? |
| 06:01.30 | Shadowed | 292 defense isn't possible |
| 06:01.45 | Shadowed | for a level 70 melee, that would be pretty hard to pull off |
| 06:01.56 | Nom- | yeah, armory is missing something |
| 06:02.05 | Nom- | coz i have 489 defense ingame, aqnd it's only showing 484 in armory |
| 06:02.12 | cybane | lol 292 |
| 06:02.18 | Nom- | i means 492 lol |
| 06:02.54 | JunkHead-Work | According to the Armory I have 350 Defense! |
| 06:02.56 | JunkHead-Work | Fear me! |
| 06:03.11 | Nom- | ahh never mind |
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| 06:03.16 | Nom- | i didn't swap my bracers |
| 06:03.25 | Nom- | I think they had some defense on them, and i'm wearing dps bracers |
| 06:03.50 | Nom- | http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Stormscale&n=Innominata <-- slowly upgrading tank gear ;) |
| 06:03.53 | nuoHep | Shadowed, well. we even have some jokes about crusader. mostly when we wipe and ask him about incoming heals %) |
| 06:04.08 | Shadowed | so is it an interesting story about why he wont change! |
| 06:06.30 | cybane | Too cheap for the new enchant mats? |
| 06:06.32 | JunkHead-Work | I need a new belt. |
| 06:08.38 | cybane | I need to pick a character and get to level 70 |
| 06:08.45 | cybane | I think I am going to do it with my Warrior |
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| 06:11.50 | Nom- | There's toooo many tanks now |
| 06:12.02 | Nom- | Now that Druids and Paladins are viable endgame tanks |
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| 06:15.46 | cybane | Arms or Fury? |
| 06:15.54 | Shadowed | hows your gear |
| 06:16.31 | Nom- | For levelling, either |
| 06:16.42 | Nom- | If you plan to tank Karazhan or Heroics, you'll need to be protection |
| 06:16.46 | Shadowed | no you don't |
| 06:16.53 | Nom- | Or at the very least a protection hybrid |
| 06:16.58 | Shadowed | no you don't... |
| 06:17.05 | Nom- | Only if you get good enough gear, Shadowed |
| 06:17.18 | Nom- | By good enough gear, I mean you need Karazhan on farm :) |
| 06:17.25 | Shadowed | protection makes life easier, it's not a requirement |
| 06:17.32 | Nom- | lol |
| 06:17.43 | Nom- | Your healers must hate you, if you're tank :P |
| 06:17.51 | Nom- | 20-30% more healing on your MT = bad |
| 06:18.24 | cybane | Leveling right now |
| 06:18.26 | Shadowed | a tank who can actually hold aggro and is arms or fury is far better then one who can't tank at all even being protection |
| 06:19.49 | Thorarin | Is it just me or are you comparing Karazhan to UBRS? :> |
| 06:19.56 | Nom- | Due to the sheer amount of damage coming in from boss, and even trash, everything you can do to minimize incoming damage on your MT is a good thing |
| 06:20.06 | Shadowed | good ~= requirement |
| 06:20.39 | Nom- | Let me put it this way...MT Karazhan is almost as heavy duty as MT on the bosses in the 40-man raids at level 60 |
| 06:20.59 | Nom- | I wouldn't be surprised if they're taking similar amount of damage |
| 06:21.39 | Shadowed | Most of the time you're going to have Warriors who actually want to tank and have no issues speccing protection, but it's hardly a requirement it may make life easier and less insane but theres no fight where "you must be prot or you can't do it" |
| 06:23.04 | Nom- | I'd be almost tempted to say that's not true |
| 06:23.15 | Nom- | The amount of threat your healers generate from healing your MT is insane |
| 06:23.20 | Nom- | But I suppose there are ways around that |
| 06:23.53 | Shadowed | it's not an issue most of the time anyway since you have people who are willing to spec, or they're crazy and just respeccing weekly which isn't that hard due to gold |
| 06:26.09 | Nom- | Well, i'm just saying...if one of our holy priests could keep the MT up by themselves on a boss fight, they would pull aggro |
| 06:26.19 | Nom- | That's how much healing is required, even on a protection warrior or protection paladin |
| 06:26.57 | Nom- | We have 2 holy priests, a resto shaman and depening on the fight, a protection paladin (me) or a feral druid helping with heals |
| 06:27.15 | Nom- | Moroes for instance, I tank the adds, and once they're down I heal for the rest of the fight |
| 06:27.24 | cybane | I really like Fury spec |
| 06:27.30 | cybane | It is A LOT different than arms |
| 06:27.35 | Shadowed | mmmm |
| 06:27.50 | Shadowed | i'd have to actually do math and such to figure out healing and threat, but it's 11:30 =p |
| 06:28.13 | Nom- | Well ok...given most bosses do around 2000-3000 dps (i'm taking a rough guess here) |
| 06:28.21 | JunkHead-Work | I'm still curious as to how my guild will handle the 25 Man Raids. |
| 06:28.30 | subbawt | bosses don't do that much DPS |
| 06:28.40 | Shadowed | well heals are still healthed in threat along with salv and any talents to reduce it |
| 06:28.43 | subbawt | at least not to a warrior |
| 06:28.46 | Shadowed | s/healthed/halfed/ |
| 06:28.55 | Nom- | subbawt: Which bosses have you tanked? :P |
| 06:29.09 | Nom- | not really Shadowed |
| 06:29.16 | Nom- | a paladin's base threat from heals is 0.5 |
| 06:29.19 | subbawt | i've looked at damage taken per second on every boss we've had tank death issues on :P |
| 06:29.20 | Nom- | but a priest base is 1.0 |
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| 06:29.59 | Nom- | ot was it 0.5 to .25 or 0.3 |
| 06:30.03 | Shadowed | http://www.wowwiki.com/Formulas:Kencos_Research_on_Threat#Healing.2C_.22you_gain_x____.22.2C_etc |
| 06:30.09 | Nom- | something like that...a priest's BASE aggro per heal is more than a paladin :P |
| 06:30.17 | Shadowed | not that it's about a year old, but i don't think it would have changed that much |
| 06:30.28 | subbawt | i missed the first part of this conversation |
| 06:30.32 | subbawt | why are we talking about healing aggro |
| 06:30.51 | Shadowed | not protection = more heals required = more threat = bigger risk of healers drawing aggro |
| 06:30.54 | Nom- | subbawt: Because a single priest healing an MT on a boss fight will pull aggro if left solo healing long enough |
| 06:31.00 | Nom- | subbawt: That's without any aggro reduction buffs |
| 06:31.03 | Tem | *sigh* lol |
| 06:31.09 | Tem | I'm downloading a series in 4 chunks |
| 06:31.25 | Shadowed | well you should consider aggro reduction buffs :p |
| 06:31.37 | Tem | the first three chunks are getting 5kb/s on avg |
| 06:31.37 | Nom- | Well, you can't really Shadowed |
| 06:31.39 | Tem | the final chunk is getting 400kb/s |
| 06:31.40 | Shadowed | and the last is getting 10000 kB/s? |
| 06:31.46 | Nom- | Unless you've got two paladins |
| 06:31.56 | Tem | why does it always work like that? |
| 06:31.56 | Shadowed | You still have talents |
| 06:32.06 | Nom- | We've found our priests need mana regen MUCH more than they need threat reduction |
| 06:32.21 | subbawt | i've never had healing threat be a problem |
| 06:32.25 | Nom- | 49-50 mana per 5 is a lot more valuable in a long boss fight than 30% threat |
| 06:32.25 | subbawt | (im a priest) |
| 06:33.00 | Shadowed | yeah i can't really think of any time healing threat was really an issue |
| 06:33.02 | subbawt | healing threat is half that of damage threat naturally though |
| 06:33.09 | subbawt | if i remember correctly |
| 06:33.22 | Nom- | yeah base is 0.5 threat for priests |
| 06:33.27 | Nom- | it's less than that for paladins |
| 06:33.49 | subbawt | bosses really don't do as much DPS as you think |
| 06:34.03 | Nom- | I can never find the damn ratings in the Wiki when I want them |
| 06:34.20 | Nom- | subbawt: Ok, on Moroes, unhealed, how long does your tank take to die? |
| 06:34.26 | Nom- | subbawt: The answer is less than 5 seconds :) |
| 06:34.38 | Nom- | Usually anyway, depends on blocks/dodge/parry |
| 06:35.03 | Nom- | Romulo is the harshest one actually |
| 06:35.05 | subbawt | and when a tank has roughly 15-20% chance to do each of those |
| 06:35.11 | Nom- | When he gets daring, if that's not dispelled |
| 06:35.14 | JunkHead-Work | Question for all of you running Karazhan, what does your usual group consist of? |
| 06:35.21 | Nom- | He can take down a tank is less than a greater heal cast time |
| 06:35.36 | subbawt | 3 healers, two tanks, a bunch of DPS |
| 06:35.47 | JunkHead-Work | Ok. |
| 06:35.54 | subbawt | usually one prot warrior, and one feral druid for the tanks |
| 06:36.02 | JunkHead-Work | 2 tanks, 3 healers, 5 dps. |
| 06:36.03 | subbawt | sometimes an arms or fury warrior as an offtank though |
| 06:36.17 | Nom- | JunkHead-Work: We take a Prot Warrior, Prot Paladin, Feral Druid, 2 x Holy Priest, 2 x Warlocks (mixed spece), 1 x Resto Shaman, 1 x Rogue, 1 x Hunter |
| 06:36.33 | Shadowed | most fights aren't suppose to be healed by one person too though |
| 06:37.16 | JunkHead-Work | Ok that makes sense also. |
| 06:37.34 | Nom- | I can still heal decently as a prot paladin |
| 06:37.42 | Nom- | So I just switch to heal gear when we don't need a third tank |
| 06:37.55 | AnduinLothar | some of the trash even requires 2 tanks |
| 06:38.07 | JunkHead-Work | Ah ok, well we have 2 holy paladins at 70. |
| 06:38.10 | Nom- | Some of the trash is easier done with 3 tanks actualyl lol |
| 06:38.14 | JunkHead-Work | and 2 more Ret specced. |
| 06:38.25 | AnduinLothar | yes, but a holy pally with good gear can suffice |
| 06:38.35 | AnduinLothar | and otherwise heal |
| 06:38.38 | JunkHead-Work | 1 resto druid, and 2 priests. (don't know their specs) |
| 06:38.49 | subbawt | most bosses do too much damage for one person to solo heal the tank though, but they don't do 3000DPS |
| 06:38.59 | AnduinLothar | most trash do |
| 06:39.05 | AnduinLothar | too much for 1 person |
| 06:39.08 | AnduinLothar | to heal |
| 06:39.16 | Nom- | subbawt: Romulo will easily push 2000+dps during daring |
| 06:39.43 | subbawt | sure but that should be dispelled, and that's burst, that's not sustained |
| 06:40.01 | Nom- | subbawt: The trash leading up to opera hits for a good 2500 damage through plate |
| 06:40.06 | AnduinLothar | especially the guys approaching the front of the opera house and the big guys on the way to shade from the back door |
| 06:40.06 | subbawt | that's like saying my warrior does 2000 dps when i press the mortal strike button :P |
| 06:40.10 | Nom- | and they have a 1.5(?) second attack speed |
| 06:40.37 | AnduinLothar | they attack fast and ice the tank |
| 06:40.50 | AnduinLothar | so you need a 2nd to pick it up in case he don't keep agro |
| 06:40.58 | AnduinLothar | and there's 2 pulls so 3 is best |
| 06:41.05 | Shadowed | those trash were fun in mostly dreadnaught |
| 06:41.35 | AnduinLothar | trash up to aran requires 2 tanks and 3 healers at least |
| 06:41.59 | Nom- | subbawt: I think you're underestimating the actualy damage they do...look out how much per swing, and time between swings... |
| 06:42.19 | subbawt | i don't think you're considering avoidance.. at all |
| 06:42.19 | Nom- | subbawt: 2500 swing @ 1.5 seconds = 1666dps |
| 06:42.39 | Nom- | that doesn't come into raw dps at all, subbawt |
| 06:42.42 | AnduinLothar | *50% avoidance |
| 06:42.49 | Shadowed | raw dps isn't what matters |
| 06:42.53 | Shadowed | the actual dps does |
| 06:42.55 | Nom- | Especially if you've got a druid tanking...they'll maybe have 25% dodge if that |
| 06:42.58 | AnduinLothar | and that's on 50% damage redux of plate |
| 06:43.03 | Shadowed | 50%? |
| 06:43.08 | AnduinLothar | 10k |
| 06:43.11 | AnduinLothar | is 50% |
| 06:43.21 | Shadowed | defensive stance too |
| 06:43.22 | Nom- | err that 2500 swing is through plate :) |
| 06:43.27 | AnduinLothar | right |
| 06:43.27 | Shadowed | and block |
| 06:43.30 | AnduinLothar | so they hit for 5k |
| 06:43.37 | Shadowed | annnnd dodge, parry and misses |
| 06:43.41 | Nom- | They will one-shot cloth on a crushing or crit |
| 06:43.51 | AnduinLothar | yup |
| 06:44.15 | subbawt | one of our tanks has 16.5% chance to dodge, 15.88% chance to parry, 29.2% chance to block |
| 06:44.24 | subbawt | i don't know why i wouldn't consider his avoidance at all |
| 06:44.30 | AnduinLothar | so if you calc in avoidance that's 1250 dps |
| 06:44.32 | Nom- | well for all effective purposes you can disregard block |
| 06:44.50 | AnduinLothar | not rly |
| 06:44.53 | Shadowed | block adds up over time |
| 06:44.56 | AnduinLothar | half of block is a full block |
| 06:45.02 | Shadowed | adds up pretty quickly actually |
| 06:45.07 | Nom- | block is really just to mitigate crushing blows |
| 06:45.24 | Nom- | at the end of the day, that's all it really does |
| 06:45.26 | Shadowed | over time, you block a decent amount of damage, not amazing but you can't discount it |
| 06:45.28 | AnduinLothar | dont forget prolly 6% to miss |
| 06:45.32 | AnduinLothar | from def |
| 06:45.37 | AnduinLothar | about 500 |
| 06:45.39 | Shadowed | without prot spec, you'll have what around 300-350 block? |
| 06:45.56 | Nom- | doubtful, Shadowed |
| 06:46.09 | Nom- | then again, i don't know how well block scales for warriors |
| 06:46.15 | Nom- | for my pally, it's about 200 blocked |
| 06:46.39 | Shadowed | i had 200 block at 60 with naxx stuff, so it shouldn't be that low at 70 |
| 06:47.06 | AnduinLothar | 6%miss + 17% dodge + 16% parry + 30% block = 69% deflection with prolly 15% being only partially blocked |
| 06:47.14 | Nom- | warriors tend to stack strength a lot more than a paladin does |
| 06:47.19 | Shadowed | not really |
| 06:47.22 | Nom- | paladins' threat output comes from holy damage |
| 06:47.26 | Shadowed | not for tanking gear |
| 06:47.35 | AnduinLothar | pallies dont need str in tanking |
| 06:47.43 | AnduinLothar | it's liek the 5th stat |
| 06:47.55 | AnduinLothar | int > str |
| 06:47.57 | Shadowed | a warrior who stacks strength for block is foolish because (at 60 no idea at 70) it's like 22 strength for *1* block |
| 06:48.01 | AnduinLothar | stam > int |
| 06:48.16 | Nom- | actually, if it's raid tanking, int is actually at the bottom |
| 06:48.19 | AnduinLothar | str is for block + dps |
| 06:48.29 | AnduinLothar | i dissagree |
| 06:48.29 | Nom- | If i'm tanking a boss in Kara, I can't burn my mana fast enough |
| 06:48.34 | AnduinLothar | int is important |
| 06:48.41 | Shadowed | there is no reason to get str for block |
| 06:49.05 | AnduinLothar | but if you have less that 5k you can go out fo mana when not takign dmg |
| 06:49.13 | AnduinLothar | 5k int* |
| 06:49.15 | AnduinLothar | er |
| 06:49.16 | AnduinLothar | mana |
| 06:49.23 | Nom- | yup i know |
| 06:49.25 | Shadowed | mmm this could be wrong but |
| 06:49.55 | subbawt | but yeah if a priest could sustain the HPS to solo heal a tank, i don't think threat would ever be an issue |
| 06:50.02 | Shadowed | if you're being hit for 2.5k every 1.5s in a 5 minute fight you're being hit 200 times, 30% chance to block means 60 attacks blocked, with 250 block you mitigate 15000 damage? not including other avoidance or shield block |
| 06:50.04 | AnduinLothar | self buffed my prot pally has 10.4k hp 13k armor and 4k mana... needs more stam and int |
| 06:50.39 | AnduinLothar | course i have 52% avoidance |
| 06:50.42 | Nom- | AnduinLothar: I'm at about the same hitpoints, 14k armor and 5.5k mana i believe |
| 06:50.50 | AnduinLothar | 500 def |
| 06:51.28 | Nom- | 10.9k hp, 5.5k mana, 12.2k armor (without aura), 10.36% block, 10.93% parry, 13.16% dodge, 484 defense |
| 06:51.39 | Nom- | I'm missing 1 piece of armor tho...I logged out with dps bracers |
| 06:51.59 | AnduinLothar | mm, i have much more block dodge and parry... |
| 06:52.01 | JunkHead-Work | <-- Not Prot. |
| 06:52.22 | AnduinLothar | but i jsut respec'd holy so i can't rly check atm |
| 06:52.31 | Nom- | Yeah, I did't have much chance to get gear before I started tanking Kara :) |
| 06:52.45 | Nom- | I got told the night before that I was going to be OT for Kara |
| 06:53.03 | Nom- | went and resepcced and enchanted all the tank gear i had on me and in my bank |
| 06:53.06 | AnduinLothar | it was more like 14% parry, 16% dodge, 18% block |
| 06:53.12 | Nom- | and that was the result |
| 06:53.21 | AnduinLothar | :) |
| 06:53.22 | Nom- | since then i've got a new shield and t4 tanking gloves, but that's tit |
| 06:53.29 | Nom- | s/tit/it/ |
| 06:53.37 | AnduinLothar | i got the tanking pants off curator, so i respec'd |
| 06:53.40 | Bleeter | boobies! |
| 06:54.00 | Nom- | heh nice...i got the t4 gloves token off curator :P |
| 06:54.01 | Shadowed | ~lart bleetah |
| 06:54.01 | purl | pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps bleetah |
| 06:54.04 | AnduinLothar | and i have t4 glvoes but they're dps |
| 06:54.18 | Nom- | I didn't see much point in getting the dps gloves |
| 06:54.25 | AnduinLothar | i dps in holy a lot |
| 06:54.26 | Nom- | and I already had some epic healing gloves from Kara |
| 06:54.46 | Nom- | so for me, the tanking gloves were the best choice |
| 06:54.51 | Nom- | espeically coming from felsteel gloves :) |
| 06:55.04 | AnduinLothar | i got nice epic healign bracers, but i'm still usign +30 enchanted Peacerkeeper gauntlets |
| 06:55.15 | AnduinLothar | ya i have felsteel atm |
| 06:55.26 | AnduinLothar | i got the gloves before the pants |
| 06:55.46 | Nom- | so far in kara, i've got epic healing gloves and boots, t4 token and a holy damage cloak |
| 06:55.59 | AnduinLothar | oo i want that cloak |
| 06:56.32 | subbawt | i have everything i need from karazhan sadly |
| 06:56.42 | subbawt | i don't want to go anymore either :P |
| 06:57.08 | AnduinLothar | i wish... |
| 06:57.15 | AnduinLothar | not rly |
| 06:57.18 | AnduinLothar | i like it |
| 06:57.30 | Nom- | http://www.wowwiki.com/Formulas:Kencos_Research_on_Threat#Healing.2C_.22you_gain_x____.22.2C_etc |
| 06:57.33 | Nom- | err wrong link |
| 06:57.36 | Nom- | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=30642 |
| 06:57.38 | Nom- | That's the cloak |
| 06:57.43 | AnduinLothar | but shade + attendance keeps owning my guild |
| 06:57.50 | AnduinLothar | ya, i've seen it |
| 06:58.01 | subbawt | it has dropped for us 3 times, i never won it :( |
| 06:58.07 | Nom- | really? |
| 06:58.08 | AnduinLothar | 2x most spell dmg cloaks |
| 06:58.11 | Nom- | who the hell would bid on it? |
| 06:58.16 | subbawt | we all just /rolled |
| 06:58.19 | subbawt | as a joke |
| 06:58.21 | subbawt | (im a priest) |
| 06:58.27 | AnduinLothar | more* |
| 06:58.28 | Nom- | Just say you want it |
| 06:58.34 | Nom- | It's only useful to priests and paladins |
| 06:58.53 | AnduinLothar | ah, you can see my tank gear mostly |
| 06:58.55 | AnduinLothar | http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Kil'jaeden&n=Wraithhammer |
| 06:59.17 | AnduinLothar | tho i'm holy spec atm. and i use Fireguard and a diff shield |
| 06:59.39 | Nom- | lol very similar gear, AnduinLothar |
| 06:59.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm so going to hop on kil'jaeden one day and ask "hay hwo i get cosmo on my adon" |
| 07:00.08 | Nom- | I've got the helm, shoulders, cloak, bracers, trinket |
| 07:00.09 | AnduinLothar | you know, i never get any of those |
| 07:00.22 | AnduinLothar | i did like 1nce when my name was Anduinlothar |
| 07:00.26 | Nom- | i've got a better belt tho |
| 07:00.32 | AnduinLothar | ya my belt sucks |
| 07:00.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | was that your original name? |
| 07:00.41 | Nom- | check out the netherstorm quests...there's one there for a blue tanking belt |
| 07:00.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | blizz made you change it, likely? |
| 07:00.43 | AnduinLothar | trying to get the one from the arcatraz key quest |
| 07:00.53 | AnduinLothar | :) |
| 07:00.58 | AnduinLothar | just need to do mech and bot |
| 07:01.00 | Nom- | Lightwarden's Girdle |
| 07:01.02 | Nom- | Look it up |
| 07:01.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | they made me change Mistarrabies :[ |
| 07:01.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | because apparently mistar is a title |
| 07:01.17 | cybane | Someone do a quick armor search for Guro and let me know how much my stuff sucks |
| 07:01.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh well, Knight Lieutenant Raybeez flows better anyway |
| 07:01.28 | Nom- | 30 stam, 14 int, 23 defense, 28 damage + healing |
| 07:01.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | just don't google search for guro |
| 07:01.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | if you value your innocence |
| 07:02.29 | cybane | lol |
| 07:02.39 | Nom- | Stormstrike, cybane ? |
| 07:02.39 | AnduinLothar | I'm going for Sha'tari Vindicator's Waistguard |
| 07:02.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | seriously don't guro's probably the strangest thing ever to come out of japan |
| 07:03.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | and that's saying a lot /cry |
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| 07:03.15 | cybane | Bonechewer |
| 07:03.18 | cybane | Orc Warrior |
| 07:03.26 | cybane | lvl 60 =) |
| 07:03.35 | AnduinLothar | 33 Stamina, 20 defense. 24 shield block, 29 block value |
| 07:03.46 | Nom- | yeah, but ti's not a pally belt lol |
| 07:03.50 | AnduinLothar | but ya yours is prolyl better for pally |
| 07:04.02 | subbawt | i want to try out the spellsurge enchant |
| 07:04.04 | Nom- | Yeah, see that's the thing |
| 07:04.15 | Nom- | I'm trying to get proper pally tank gear without gimping my defense etc |
| 07:04.22 | AnduinLothar | right |
| 07:04.25 | AnduinLothar | so am i |
| 07:04.29 | AnduinLothar | jsut didn't see that one |
| 07:04.35 | Nom- | Intellect is VERY important in 5-man tanking |
| 07:04.42 | AnduinLothar | yup |
| 07:04.45 | Nom- | Because your mana won't last a big pull if it's too low |
| 07:04.54 | Nom- | I have to drink after every pull as it is |
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| 07:05.12 | AnduinLothar | i still want a |
| 07:05.12 | AnduinLothar | |
| 07:05.12 | AnduinLothar | Elementium Band of the Sentry for raid tanking tho |
| 07:05.15 | Nom- | God help me if I have to use LoH during a pull :P |
| 07:05.32 | AnduinLothar | i <3 dodge |
| 07:05.49 | subbawt | we just recently got a protection paladin |
| 07:05.51 | subbawt | we're horde though |
| 07:06.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | problem with dodge is after you hit a certain point a bunch of the hits that hit will end up being crits, or so i hear |
| 07:06.30 | subbawt | he seems to be wearing a lot of warrior gear |
| 07:06.34 | Nom- | hmm i hope the computer store manages to get my copy of vista home tonight :/ |
| 07:06.47 | Nom- | oo..tomorrow's Wednesday |
| 07:06.51 | Nom- | Doesn't matter much I guess |
| 07:06.59 | subbawt | he has 4.8k mana, 200 spell damage, 17 dodge 16 parry 500 defense |
| 07:07.04 | Nom- | Karazhan on Thursday, so need to be ready then ^_^ |
| 07:07.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | 2 days until i get my teeth ripped out, yippee :/ |
| 07:07.20 | subbawt | http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/#character-sheet.xml?r=Mal%27Ganis&n=Astrosus |
| 07:07.23 | subbawt | that's his armory |
| 07:07.25 | AnduinLothar | Mr_Rabies2: that' snot rly a problem with all my block |
| 07:07.30 | Nom- | Mana is really low, subbawt, but apart from that, not bad |
| 07:07.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | well, on druids, AL |
| 07:07.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | i guess i didn't think about block |
| 07:07.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm so used to not having it |
| 07:07.57 | Nom- | ahhh holy/ret |
| 07:08.01 | Nom- | that's the real tanking build :) |
| 07:08.13 | Nom- | I tried to hybridize a bit...he'll have the talent to give +5% parry |
| 07:08.15 | Nom- | I don't have that :( |
| 07:08.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | some druids with massive dodge chance have been noting they seem to be getting crit more than they should |
| 07:08.27 | Nom- | Mr_Rabies2: with 415 defense |
| 07:08.33 | Nom- | ? |
| 07:08.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah |
| 07:08.44 | Nom- | That's interesting |
| 07:08.53 | Nom- | A Feral druid with 415 defense should never be crit |
| 07:08.54 | subbawt | i had a tree druid main tank a heroic for me |
| 07:09.00 | subbawt | and he was uncrittable in his feral gear |
| 07:09.00 | Nom- | Crushing blow...yeah...expect them a lot |
| 07:09.02 | Nom- | But not crit |
| 07:09.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | i dunno how much truth is in it |
| 07:09.16 | AnduinLothar | crushing is 15% |
| 07:09.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | that could be what it is |
| 07:09.35 | AnduinLothar | and it onyl gets pushed off if your avoidance is above 85% |
| 07:09.39 | Nom- | Druids have no mitigation against crushing blow |
| 07:09.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | i dunno, i remember there being a point in which too much dodge actually decreased your mitigation |
| 07:09.51 | AnduinLothar | nah |
| 07:10.02 | AnduinLothar | maybe w/o block |
| 07:10.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | and parry :[ |
| 07:10.31 | Nom- | well parry is effectively the same as dodge |
| 07:10.45 | Nom- | if you stack dodge high enough, you can get the same effect as parry |
| 07:10.54 | AnduinLothar | where are boots of elusionf rom? |
| 07:10.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah, but it's extra mitigation for next to free |
| 07:11.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | how do you increase parry chance, or can you not? |
| 07:11.14 | Nom- | defense, parry rating, talents |
| 07:11.15 | AnduinLothar | def and parry items |
| 07:11.19 | AnduinLothar | talents |
| 07:11.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | ahhh |
| 07:11.21 | AnduinLothar | :) |
| 07:11.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's why |
| 07:11.33 | Nom- | defense is a very expensive way to gain defense tho |
| 07:11.41 | Nom- | defense vs crit that is |
| 07:11.42 | cybane | Does anyone know where the Korean Armory is at? |
| 07:11.57 | Nom- | cybane: Korean Armory ? |
| 07:12.04 | subbawt | boots of elusion are a trash drop |
| 07:12.18 | AnduinLothar | kz? |
| 07:12.23 | cybane | Yeah you know how Korea has their own servers and what not |
| 07:12.24 | subbawt | yeah |
| 07:12.28 | AnduinLothar | i want um |
| 07:12.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://armory.worldofwarcraft.co.kr/ |
| 07:12.49 | Nom- | yah, that'd be my guess |
| 07:12.56 | Nom- | yeah, that works too |
| 07:13.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | is drakedog korean? |
| 07:13.18 | Nom- | I can't read Korean of course, but it certainly looks like Armory to me ^_^ |
| 07:13.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | i can't remember, i know he's not english |
| 07:14.03 | cybane | ROFL firefox just shows a lot of ???? |
| 07:14.12 | Nom- | cybane: Because you don't have the language pack |
| 07:14.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah, it's showing korean for me |
| 07:14.28 | Nom- | Same for me |
| 07:14.55 | cybane | I am wanting to see what gear Laintime is using |
| 07:15.25 | cybane | BAH! Nm |
| 07:15.39 | Nom- | trying a search |
| 07:15.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://armory.worldofwarcraft.co.kr/#character-sheet.xml?r=%EB%8D%B0%EC%8A%A4%EC%9C%99&n=Laintime |
| 07:15.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | not like that will help |
| 07:15.49 | Nom- | level 70 warrior ? |
| 07:16.08 | Nom- | http://armory.worldofwarcraft.co.kr/character-sheet.xml?r=%EB%8D%B0%EC%8A%A4%EC%9C%99&n=Laintime |
| 07:16.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | is that 4 pieces of tier 4 |
| 07:16.12 | Nom- | That's it , yea |
| 07:16.30 | Nom- | hard to tell, the tooltips are in korean too :P |
| 07:16.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | epic, socketed |
| 07:16.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | maybe arena |
| 07:17.12 | Nom- | I think they have the same sword as my pally tho :P |
| 07:17.31 | cybane | Laintime is a sick PVP war |
| 07:17.49 | Nom- | all of the epics they're wearing are level 60 |
| 07:18.16 | cybane | Holy crap MS does sick dmg now |
| 07:18.23 | Nom- | They're wearing 4/6 of a level 60 epic set |
| 07:18.32 | Nom- | Either T1 or T2...i dunno what they look like |
| 07:18.43 | Nom- | maybe the pvp set *shrug* |
| 07:18.59 | Bleeter | the worldofwarcraft.co.kr site is a lot nicer than the US poj |
| 07:19.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | only thing i like is the comics |
| 07:19.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | in the korean version |
| 07:20.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.worldofwarcraft.co.kr/community/cartoon/ |
| 07:20.15 | Shadowed | Wasn't Laintime that warrior who did all of the silly tricks with the skull of impending doom? |
| 07:21.02 | Shadowed | and no, thats not arena gear it's the level 60 rank 13 set |
| 07:21.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | they nerf that yet? |
| 07:21.11 | Shadowed | a while ago |
| 07:21.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | it looks socketed, but i guess i'm wrong |
| 07:21.29 | cybane | Only thing I do not like about Fury is there are a lot of buttons to push |
| 07:21.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | probably just like Strength+15 instead of +15 Strength |
| 07:22.00 | Shadowed | you press about the same buttons as MS, just you have to press them faster |
| 07:22.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | seriously though check out the korean comics |
| 07:22.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | you don't even need to read the text to get most of them |
| 07:22.32 | cybane | Well for Rampage |
| 07:22.42 | cybane | I have noticed I have a lot more Rage with Fury spec |
| 07:22.57 | Shadowed | one more button to press over MS :p |
| 07:23.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | fury's not difficult to play |
| 07:23.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | i was tearing up bgs last ptr with premades :p |
| 07:23.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | killing 5, 6 people in a row without heals |
| 07:24.07 | Shadowed | the gear the PTR's had last patch were terrible for fury |
| 07:24.10 | Shadowed | if i remember right |
| 07:24.24 | subbawt | they haven't had premades in a while have they? |
| 07:24.27 | subbawt | like not since BC? |
| 07:24.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | it was hwl stuff and 2 1h axes |
| 07:24.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | nah |
| 07:24.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | 2 1h hwl axes |
| 07:24.57 | subbawt | yeah it wasn't AMAZING for fury |
| 07:25.03 | Shadowed | DW fury was amusing if you had the best gear available since you could get crazy bursts of like 2k HS's on cloth |
| 07:25.17 | subbawt | but it was better than when they gave you full wrath and an ashkandi |
| 07:25.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | i was still completely owning the bgs with about 5 hours of experience playing a warrior |
| 07:25.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | :p |
| 07:25.22 | Shadowed | but MS is still better since you get better burst, don't need as good gear so you can focus on resil/STA and you get sweeping strikes |
| 07:25.54 | Shadowed | they're like rogues, easy to do good, hard to do great |
| 07:26.12 | subbawt | i play my friend's warrior every once in a while |
| 07:26.16 | subbawt | i have no idea what to do |
| 07:26.21 | subbawt | i charge, hamstring, and then mash buttons |
| 07:26.35 | Shadowed | thats what most warriors do who have been playing for a long time |
| 07:26.38 | Shadowed | :p |
| 07:26.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | i feel so useless in bgs on my druid now :[ |
| 07:26.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | and arena |
| 07:26.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | i just die way too fast |
| 07:27.09 | Shadowed | they don't provide that much over shamans, priests or paladins besides cyclone spamming |
| 07:27.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | and that's pretty useless |
| 07:27.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | cyclone lasts for a max of 9 seconds |
| 07:27.27 | Shadowed | it's actually great if you time it well |
| 07:27.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | for 3 casts |
| 07:27.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | 1.5 sec a cast |
| 07:27.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | so 4.5 sec casting for 9 sec of cc |
| 07:27.58 | Shadowed | but |
| 07:28.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | in which you can't hit them |
| 07:28.12 | Nom- | moonfire spam |
| 07:28.13 | Shadowed | it can't be removed and you can't get out of it, and 9 seconds is a huge amount of time in 5vs5 |
| 07:28.20 | Nom- | That's how a druid pvps :P |
| 07:28.33 | Shadowed | not so much in 2vs2 or 3vs3, but taking somebody out of combat for 9s is a huge advantage if you time it correctly on an enemy healer |
| 07:28.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | shadowed |
| 07:28.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's 6 sec on the first cast |
| 07:28.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | and good luck not getting counterspelled or dropped while you're in caster form casting it |
| 07:29.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | because a druid in caster form is pretty much the squishiest thing in the game |
| 07:29.18 | Shadowed | and? |
| 07:29.32 | Shadowed | i've played against teams that use a druid to take out a healer while using burst damage from casters + a 3M mage |
| 07:29.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | there's a reason why there's only 1 druid in any of the good arena teams |
| 07:29.51 | Shadowed | if used correctly, you can turn a 5 vs 5 into a 4 vs 5 within 10 seconds of engaging, which is a big advantage |
| 07:30.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | so can a rogue |
| 07:30.02 | JunkHead-Work | So today will be a full maintenance right? |
| 07:30.05 | Shadowed | no they can't |
| 07:30.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | with sap, and it lasts a lot longer |
| 07:30.15 | Shadowed | you can remove it easly, you can't remove cyclone |
| 07:30.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | you can't remove sap |
| 07:30.41 | Shadowed | BOP, Divine whatever |
| 07:30.44 | Shadowed | sac |
| 07:30.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh, well yeah |
| 07:30.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | but |
| 07:31.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | you popped a 5 minute cooldown for it |
| 07:31.14 | Shadowed | so? |
| 07:31.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | in which you're screwed because you no longer have it |
| 07:31.19 | Shadowed | winning > 5 minute cooldown |
| 07:31.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | eh |
| 07:31.25 | Shadowed | also it's incredibly risky for a Rogue to sap |
| 07:31.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | from what i've seen the druid gets focus fired down because of how fast they drop |
| 07:32.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | hell i have 6000 hp in my cat gear because i'd have to sacrifice so much damage to get more |
| 07:32.19 | Shadowed | well |
| 07:32.31 | Shadowed | feral and moonkin druids are worthless for serious pvp in 5vs5 |
| 07:32.36 | cybane | I also have this deep want to reflect a PoM Pyro back to mage with a shield one day |
| 07:32.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | and in bear gear i'm useless |
| 07:32.49 | Shadowed | cyclone requires burst damage mainly to be effective, the top teams typically run 2 healers (Paladin + Paladin, Shaman or Priest), Frost or Deep frost mage and 2 DPS so they're focused more in out lasting over burst damage |
| 07:32.56 | Shadowed | exactly |
| 07:33.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | a rogue solo'd me AND a hunter the other day |
| 07:33.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | i even got the jump on him |
| 07:33.37 | cybane | Just going to be like back in the days of Guild Wars IWAY people will find the build that works then that is all you will see really |
| 07:33.41 | Shadowed | Feral/Moonkin don't do enough damage to be useful, feral are easy to focus and kill and if they're in bear they are useless, resto druids are squishy in caster form and useless in bear kiting wont do much if they have a paladin |
| 07:33.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | resto druids are free hk's for my druid |
| 07:34.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | i can pretty much kill them before pounce wears off |
| 07:34.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | and if not i can maim em |
| 07:34.14 | Shadowed | right |
| 07:34.16 | Shadowed | but thats in 1vs1 |
| 07:34.21 | Shadowed | in 5vs5 you have support typically |
| 07:34.30 | Nom- | omg |
| 07:34.36 | Nom- | feral druids can absolutely pwn |
| 07:34.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | not quite :[ |
| 07:34.43 | Shadowed | they also have no health |
| 07:34.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | we can do comparable damage to a rouge |
| 07:34.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | rogue* |
| 07:34.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | with no control over our target |
| 07:35.05 | Shadowed | you really need 8k-9k health unbuffed to be useful in arenas, because anything below that and you die to quickly |
| 07:35.07 | Nom- | Feral druid bleeds absolutely own plate man |
| 07:35.10 | Shadowed | so? |
| 07:35.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | no crip/mind numbing, no blind, no vanish |
| 07:35.12 | Shadowed | they have no health |
| 07:35.20 | cybane | I am still suprised to a top ranking Arena teams in 2v2 as mage priest I figured it would be War Pal |
| 07:35.21 | Nom- | Neither do rogues lol |
| 07:35.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | i got twoshotted by a warrior the other day |
| 07:35.31 | Shadowed | yes they do |
| 07:35.41 | Nom- | How many hitpoints do you have in kitty form Mr_Rabies2 ? |
| 07:35.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | 6600 |
| 07:35.48 | Nom- | at what level ? |
| 07:35.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | 70 |
| 07:35.51 | Shadowed | Rogues provide more utility then Druids do in 5vs5, our rogue has around 9.9k unbuffed |
| 07:35.56 | Nom- | yeah, that's a bit on the low side |
| 07:36.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | druid gear has crap for stam |
| 07:36.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | especially druid dps gear |
| 07:36.10 | Shadowed | I run at around 11k unbuffed, everyone else is at about 9k-10k unbuffed, and we have commanding + kings |
| 07:36.13 | Nom- | I've seen self-buffed kitty form druids with 8-9k hitpoints and a buttload of hitpoints |
| 07:36.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | you sacrifice all your AP to get decent stam |
| 07:36.26 | Nom- | buttload of ap i mean |
| 07:36.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | or you sacrifice all your stam to do similar to rogue damage |
| 07:36.41 | Shadowed | Druids can't snare, they can't blind and there stuns/disorients are fairly crappy last I checked |
| 07:36.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | pounce is pretty nice, but it's only 1 combo point |
| 07:37.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | unlike cheap shot, which is 2 |
| 07:37.09 | Shadowed | the top 2vs2 teams for us are usually shadow priest + warlock combos |
| 07:37.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | and maim is nowhere near as nice as kidney shot |
| 07:38.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | i got so frustrated the other day |
| 07:38.21 | Nom- | ok what's a good amount of ap for a cat druid? |
| 07:38.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | everyone just focus fired me to hell |
| 07:38.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've got ~2000 without popping my trinket/my other trinket procing |
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| 07:39.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | and i'm in some of the best dps gear before kara |
| 07:39.43 | Nom- | 1969 AP with 7228 hitpoints |
| 07:40.39 | Shadowed | how much resilience? |
| 07:40.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | which is a ton more dps than i nom |
| 07:40.49 | Nom- | 26.75% dodge, virtually no resilience |
| 07:40.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | 1969 rogue ap = 2600 or so druid ap or so probably |
| 07:41.05 | Shadowed | resilience > all |
| 07:41.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | or so or so |
| 07:41.15 | Nom- | no, those stats are from a feral druid in our guild |
| 07:41.20 | Shadowed | ah |
| 07:41.20 | Nom- | who happened to log out in kitty gear |
| 07:42.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh |
| 07:42.09 | Nom- | that doesn't even take into account any talent bonuses which may come into effect while in cat form |
| 07:42.18 | Shadowed | anyway |
| 07:42.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | is he in cat form? |
| 07:42.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | or caster form with that AP |
| 07:42.30 | Shadowed | 5vs5 is more about utility then it is about actual damage |
| 07:42.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | because even in the best dps gear, i'm pretty sure those numbers are impossible in caster form |
| 07:42.49 | Nom- | Mr_Rabies2: That's cat form...Armory only shows caster form so you have to do the math |
| 07:42.50 | Shadowed | the top teams are typically focused on out lasting the opponent rather then burst damage |
| 07:42.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | no it doesn't |
| 07:42.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | not if he's in cat form |
| 07:43.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | when he logged out |
| 07:43.19 | Nom- | well he doesn't have the cat form buff |
| 07:43.24 | Nom- | not does he have the motw buff |
| 07:43.27 | Nom- | *nor |
| 07:43.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | how the hell can he have that much ap |
| 07:43.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't think that's right |
| 07:43.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | because i have about 800 |
| 07:43.38 | Nom- | That's worked out IN cat form |
| 07:43.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | in caster form |
| 07:43.52 | Nom- | He has 1120 AP in caster form |
| 07:43.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | link to it if you don't mind |
| 07:44.04 | Nom- | 423 AP from a staff |
| 07:44.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh okay |
| 07:44.10 | Nom- | plus 386 agility |
| 07:44.28 | Nom- | http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Stormscale&n=Shirojin |
| 07:44.31 | Nom- | Look for yourself |
| 07:44.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/#character-sheet.xml?r=Llane&n=Raybeez is mine, i forgot to change a couple of recent upgrades up on my wardrobe though |
| 07:44.41 | Nom- | If you do the math in his stats, it comes out to that figure i gave you |
| 07:45.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | i do need some upgrades, but most of it is just drops that won't drop for me |
| 07:46.33 | Nom- | Well, I can tell you now...Feral Druid vs Protection Paladin = Dead Paladin :( |
| 07:46.37 | Nom- | Their bleeds absolutely kill |
| 07:47.04 | Nom- | And there's so little you can do to stop them running away |
| 07:47.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | you can likely do more dps to him than he can you |
| 07:47.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | especially in cat form |
| 07:47.23 | Nom- | Nah man |
| 07:47.29 | Nom- | run in, bleed, bleed, bleed, run out |
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| 07:47.35 | Nom- | rinse, repeat |
| 07:47.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | he only has pounce and rip that do any decent damage |
| 07:47.49 | Nom- | when pally runs out of mana, go in for the kill |
| 07:47.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | and rip takes 5 combo points plus a mangle to do decent damage |
| 07:48.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | pounce can only be used from stealth |
| 07:48.19 | Nom- | doesn't take nearly long enough to build up 5 combo points :) |
| 07:48.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | i usually don't bleed pallies cause they just bubble |
| 07:48.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | other than pounce |
| 07:48.51 | Nom- | Yeah, which lasts for 12 seconds |
| 07:48.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | for the stun |
| 07:48.56 | Nom- | and then can't be used for 5 minutes |
| 07:49.17 | Nom- | as i said, run in, bleed, run out |
| 07:49.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah, but during that 12 seconds you can slaughter us |
| 07:49.36 | Nom- | except you got 30% runspeed |
| 07:49.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | and judge them with justice to keep em from running off |
| 07:49.48 | Nom- | Yeah, JoJ can help |
| 07:49.56 | Nom- | But still doesn't take much to run away if the pally isn't on the ball |
| 07:50.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's the pally's fault :p |
| 07:50.27 | Nom- | Yeah, for that particular fight, I didn't think about JoJ until it was too late T_T |
| 07:52.34 | cybane | Damn shadowstep is nice |
| 07:53.02 | Nom- | Indeed |
| 07:53.28 | Nom- | I hate Cloak of Shadows XD |
| 07:53.41 | Nom- | As a player who has two classes that rely on spell damage, it is my bane |
| 07:54.13 | Nom- | I should level my Feral druid for the hell of it |
| 07:55.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | pvp on them is a exercise in futility |
| 07:56.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | i feel weaker than i did pre 2.0 |
| 07:57.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | i know i hit for less in bear than i did at 60, and i have effectively less survivability, |
| 07:57.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's frustrating |
| 07:57.42 | cybane | Yeah I gave up on playing Hybrids in this game |
| 07:58.08 | cybane | It is apparent that Blizzard does not know how to balance hybrids so I am not going to play them past leveling them for skill items |
| 07:58.22 | cybane | tradeskill |
| 07:59.43 | Nom- | aww hybrids rock |
| 07:59.49 | Nom- | I could never give up my pally now |
| 08:00.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | can't spell futility without utility :x |
| 08:00.04 | Nom- | druids are insanely fun if you can be bothered levelling them |
| 08:00.10 | Nom- | and priests...well we can't live without priests |
| 08:00.31 | cybane | Priests are not a hybrid |
| 08:00.42 | Nom- | ... and so begins another debate ;P |
| 08:00.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | eh, yes and no |
| 08:00.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's subjective |
| 08:01.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | so are warriors, though they'd hate to admit it |
| 08:01.25 | Nom- | awww...i disagree with warriors |
| 08:01.37 | Nom- | a warrior, no matter which spec is always about melee damage |
| 08:01.39 | Nom- | same as a rogue |
| 08:01.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | they're great dps or great tanking |
| 08:01.56 | Nom- | a priest, like a paladin, can be either a great dps/support role or a great healer |
| 08:02.00 | Nom- | but not both at a the same time |
| 08:02.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | priests, no matter the spec, are always about casting |
| 08:02.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | only difference is restoring or removing health |
| 08:02.24 | krka | all classes are hybrids! |
| 08:02.32 | Nom- | Rogues aren't :P |
| 08:02.38 | Nom- | They're all about dps no matter what spec :P |
| 08:02.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | hunters, rogues, mages aren't |
| 08:02.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | locks are, essentially |
| 08:02.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | i saw a lock healthstone for ~4500 |
| 08:02.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | :[ |
| 08:03.03 | Nom- | nah locks are all about cc and dps no matter what spec |
| 08:03.05 | krka | mages have three very different specs: water/bread/portal |
| 08:03.09 | cybane | Priest, Mage, Warrior and Rogue are the pure classes. Shaman, Paladin, Druid are hybrids and Hunters are just bleh |
| 08:03.28 | SunTiger | so where does a warlock fit in your list cybane. |
| 08:03.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | hunters are pure classes |
| 08:03.45 | cybane | Let me rephrase I came up with a better way |
| 08:03.48 | krka | warlock is a hybrid between pure and hybrid? :) |
| 08:04.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | as are locks, by my definition, but man, they can heal amazingly well for a pure dps class |
| 08:04.07 | Nom- | warlock can basically be lopped in as between a mage and a hunter |
| 08:04.14 | Nom- | still a pure dps class though, they can't heal |
| 08:04.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | not others |
| 08:04.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | but themselves |
| 08:04.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | amazingly well |
| 08:04.33 | Nom- | They don't have a spell which heals |
| 08:04.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | they're probably the best self-healers in the game |
| 08:04.43 | Nom- | They have a spell which damage, but gives them health as a side effect |
| 08:04.45 | Nom- | Differnet thing :P |
| 08:04.47 | cybane | Priest, Warrior, Rogue and Mage are what the Hybrids are based off of. Shamans, Paladins, Druids are the hybrids and Warlocks and Hunters are the pure classes. IE there abilities are found no where else |
| 08:04.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | and healthstones, nom |
| 08:04.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | healthstones are better than nature's swiftness, imo |
| 08:05.22 | Nom- | Except they're a 2 minute cooldown, can only carry one, and requires mana and cast time to make a new one |
| 08:05.34 | Nom- | IMO, they're just free health pots |
| 08:05.47 | Nom- | same as mage gems are just free mana pots |
| 08:05.50 | cybane | Well of Souls is nice for a raid |
| 08:05.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | nature's swiftness is on a 3 minute cooldown, can only cast once, instead of conjuring one for all 5 party members, and requires mana to cast the spell you're casting |
| 08:06.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | plus it's a 21 point talent |
| 08:06.23 | Nom- | Yeah, still brings me back to the point...healthstones are just free health pots |
| 08:06.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | they're a 2 minute cooldown party heal that the party members can choose when to cast |
| 08:06.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | unless they're druids |
| 08:06.49 | Nom- | i use the term free very losely |
| 08:07.08 | Nom- | since they reequire mana, cast time and a soul shard |
| 08:07.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah, but not a cast time to use |
| 08:07.42 | Nom- | yeah, so they're health pots |
| 08:07.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | on a seperate cooldown |
| 08:07.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | similarly you could say NS is just another potion |
| 08:08.15 | Nom- | They're on the same cooldown as many other world item buffs |
| 08:09.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | i dunno, i just don't like seeing locks crit healing instantly for more than anyone else can |
| 08:09.20 | Nom- | It's a health pot, when you think of ti that way, it's fine |
| 08:09.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | if it was on the same timer, maybe |
| 08:09.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | but it's a party heal spell with a timed release/cooldown on it basically |
| 08:10.01 | Nom- | http://www.thottbot.com/i22103 <-- look...shared cooldowns |
| 08:10.21 | Nom- | lol...they're a consumeable |
| 08:10.26 | Nom- | No different from any other consumeable |
| 08:10.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | except it heals for a ton more |
| 08:11.04 | Nom- | not really |
| 08:11.10 | Nom- | base heal is what...2600ish |
| 08:11.29 | Nom- | 2496 ... |
| 08:11.48 | Nom- | super healing potion heals up to 2500 |
| 08:12.04 | nymbia | aveage 2000 though |
| 08:12.04 | Nom- | both can crit |
| 08:12.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | but it's not on a shared cooldown with super healing pots |
| 08:12.23 | Nom- | and if you're an alchemist, you can use the trinket to boost that by 40% (?) |
| 08:12.31 | Nom- | and? |
| 08:12.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm comparing it to stuff it shares a cooldown with |
| 08:12.47 | Nom- | Next you're going to be whinging because the Mage gems and Mana pots are on seperate cooldowns :P |
| 08:12.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | there's nothing better than it, so if you have a health stone, use it |
| 08:12.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | mana pots aren't quite the same |
| 08:13.05 | Nom- | Sure they are :P |
| 08:13.26 | Nom- | You say potayto, i say potahto |
| 08:13.31 | Nom- | Still the same veggie |
| 08:13.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | mana pots aren't a free instant heal castable by a pure ranged damage class that outperforms every other heal in the game, especially instant ones |
| 08:13.49 | Nom- | No, they do the same thing for mana instead :P |
| 08:13.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | which isn't nearly as useful |
| 08:14.09 | Nom- | It is for a pure DPS class |
| 08:14.10 | cybane | http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=w0xf0xZGZEMec0MRcxsz |
| 08:14.15 | nymbia | mana gems are hardly comperable to health stones |
| 08:14.18 | cybane | My rogue build if I ever get 70 on my rogue |
| 08:14.27 | nymbia | for one, they're soulbound |
| 08:14.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | and they don't restore very much mana |
| 08:14.49 | nymbia | for another, they restore 1200 mana at max rank |
| 08:14.54 | cybane | Would be awesome if they were not soulbound |
| 08:15.01 | nymbia | and they share a cooldown with healthstones |
| 08:15.03 | nymbia | ;p |
| 08:15.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | mages would bitch so much if they didn't cybane |
| 08:15.22 | cybane | a healthstone is 1200hp without talents |
| 08:15.30 | nymbia | no, it's 2000. |
| 08:15.36 | nymbia | maybe 1200 if you're level 40.. |
| 08:15.41 | cybane | Oh wait new rank |
| 08:15.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | well, i saw it crit for ~4500 or so in ab |
| 08:15.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | so |
| 08:16.03 | Nom- | yeah, crit |
| 08:16.03 | Silviu- | 2080 without talent |
| 08:16.03 | nymbia | healthstone + fel armor |
| 08:16.05 | nymbia | . |
| 08:16.07 | Silviu- | 2500 with |
| 08:16.07 | cybane | IMO they should not crit |
| 08:16.12 | Nom- | mage mana gem can crit |
| 08:16.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah, nothing like getting fearlocked |
| 08:16.17 | Nom- | healing pots can crit |
| 08:16.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | while getting health drained and dotted and then get him to 10% hp only to see him heal for a ton of his hp instantly |
| 08:16.35 | cybane | U drink this potion very well you do not spill a drop |
| 08:16.36 | Nom- | They're a 5% crit tho |
| 08:16.48 | nymbia | the point is that it shares a cooldown with nothing else a warlock can touch and gets amplified by fel armor |
| 08:17.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | it shares a cooldown with nothing nearly as useful |
| 08:17.11 | Nom- | And drain tanking is just about as effective :P |
| 08:17.27 | cybane | The warlocks from WoW lore are weak compared to what they should be |
| 08:17.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | well of course |
| 08:17.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | locks in wow aren't burning legion warlocks |
| 08:17.48 | cybane | Plus, I'd rather have necromancy |
| 08:18.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | if they were, you can guarantee they'd never be accepted into any alliance or horde establishments |
| 08:18.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | you can hide a small amount of natural corruption with demonic magic |
| 08:18.12 | cybane | Hey mr warrrior be my bitch now kthx |
| 08:18.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | druids aren't nearly as effective as WoW lore druids |
| 08:18.45 | Nom- | I have sudden desires to play all these classes every now and then, but I can't be bothered levellign them to 70 |
| 08:18.46 | cybane | How awesome would it be to have like 3 or 4 minions |
| 08:18.53 | Nom- | One day I probably will, and i'm going to have like 9 level 70's lo |
| 08:18.54 | Nom- | ol |
| 08:19.18 | cybane | I am suprised mages can not make a copy of themselves |
| 08:19.25 | cybane | Like an illusion mirror image |
| 08:19.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | they're not blade masters |
| 08:19.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | :p |
| 08:19.50 | cybane | lol |
| 08:19.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | or brewmasters :D |
| 08:20.11 | cybane | Well no |
| 08:20.24 | Nom- | yeah, mages can go invisible |
| 08:20.26 | Nom- | for 10 seconds |
| 08:20.28 | Nom- | ooooo |
| 08:20.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | they can barely conjure water from wherever the hell they conjure it from |
| 08:20.45 | Nom- | I lost all interest in my mage when TBC came out |
| 08:20.55 | Nom- | I've been having a bit of fun levelling him as a fire build tho |
| 08:20.59 | cybane | Think of it spell for a mage Illusion. Summons an exact copy of yourself that has half your normal HP. Spells cast while this buff is up do not double but appear is both are casting it |
| 08:21.09 | JunkHead-Work | Question. |
| 08:21.17 | Nom- | cybane: You mean, like a water elemental!? |
| 08:21.24 | JunkHead-Work | Why does the priest class get it's own Racial but not other classes? |
| 08:21.24 | cybane | No |
| 08:21.34 | cybane | Just to confuse people |
| 08:21.34 | Nom- | JunkHead-Work: Other classes get one |
| 08:21.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | junkhead, i think they're planning on eventually having more, but more important stuff is in the way |
| 08:21.43 | JunkHead-Work | Which? |
| 08:21.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | paladins get one |
| 08:21.48 | Nom- | Paladin for one |
| 08:21.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's about it |
| 08:21.55 | Nom- | Mages do as well iirc |
| 08:22.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | nope |
| 08:22.05 | JunkHead-Work | What do Paladins get? |
| 08:22.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | just faction specific |
| 08:22.13 | Nom- | Seal of Blood / Seal of Vengeance |
| 08:22.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | ^ |
| 08:22.23 | JunkHead-Work | Oh yeah |
| 08:22.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | well, i guess that's not really racial |
| 08:22.26 | cybane | That is faction specific not racial |
| 08:23.05 | JunkHead-Work | Yeah. |
| 08:23.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | it kinda is |
| 08:23.05 | cybane | Priests are the only class to have racials |
| 08:23.05 | cybane | K what is the dwarf racial then |
| 08:23.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | since there's only 2 races on alliance that can be pallies and only 1 on horde |
| 08:23.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | theres shared racials for dwarves, humans and draenei for priests too |
| 08:23.16 | Nom- | well |
| 08:23.23 | Nom- | priests have shared ones too |
| 08:23.27 | cybane | Undead have dot and trolls have a lighting shield thingy |
| 08:23.39 | Nom- | Desperate Prayer is shared by Human and Dwarf |
| 08:23.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | ud have a reactive touch of weakness |
| 08:23.47 | cybane | but fear ward is not |
| 08:24.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | and trolls have hex of weakness |
| 08:24.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | fear ward is dwarf/draenei |
| 08:24.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | right? |
| 08:24.11 | cybane | Some of them are shared but I think the second one for each of the races is different |
| 08:24.13 | JunkHead-Work | I think so. |
| 08:24.29 | JunkHead-Work | Night Elves get what? Star Shards or something? |
| 08:24.32 | cybane | They gave Draenei fear ward because they could not think of something to give them lol |
| 08:24.42 | cybane | Yeah Star Shards |
| 08:24.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | night elves get even more useless crap than humans |
| 08:24.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | :p |
| 08:24.50 | cybane | What do Belfs get |
| 08:24.58 | cybane | Dude that dot hurts |
| 08:25.04 | cybane | Star Shards is painful |
| 08:25.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | Starshards and That one spell i've -never- seen that reduces ranged damage |
| 08:25.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | eh |
| 08:25.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's channeled |
| 08:25.24 | cybane | Yeah so |
| 08:25.28 | Nom- | BE gets Touch of Weakness |
| 08:25.35 | Nom- | Same as UD |
| 08:25.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | and less damage than devouring plague |
| 08:25.38 | JunkHead-Work | Well the human racial sorta works well for priests also. |
| 08:25.44 | JunkHead-Work | The Spirit bonus. |
| 08:25.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | meh its okay |
| 08:25.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh |
| 08:25.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah i guess |
| 08:25.54 | JunkHead-Work | Although it's not class specific. |
| 08:25.59 | cybane | if I was to play a priest it would be dorf just for fear ward and stoneform |
| 08:26.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | but feedback is utterly useless |
| 08:26.16 | JunkHead-Work | Yes it is. |
| 08:26.21 | Nom- | and fear ward is dwarf and dranei too |
| 08:26.23 | JunkHead-Work | I can agree with Feedback being crap. |
| 08:26.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | i only casted it before for the glowy purple enchant |
| 08:26.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | now it's even more useless |
| 08:26.50 | Nom- | omg belf priests get consume magic! |
| 08:26.51 | Nom- | uber |
| 08:26.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | dammit i hope my guitar hero 2 comes today :[ |
| 08:27.01 | cybane | lol |
| 08:27.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | i want to play it before my surgery on thursday |
| 08:27.08 | Nom- | they suck a priest buff off another player! |
| 08:27.18 | cybane | I hear Guitar hero is coming to the Wii |
| 08:27.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | eventually, yea |
| 08:27.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | i wonder |
| 08:27.31 | JunkHead-Work | Wii needs something... anything. |
| 08:27.37 | cybane | Wii has plenty |
| 08:27.47 | JunkHead-Work | I haven't seen anythign I'd want for it. |
| 08:27.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | wii's got some amazing games |
| 08:27.50 | cybane | Just need to wait SSB:Brawl to come out |
| 08:27.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | but they're tapering off right now |
| 08:27.57 | JunkHead-Work | I have Wii Sports and Zelda. |
| 08:27.58 | Nom- | oooo it's a self debuff |
| 08:27.58 | AnduinLothar | needs more liek sports imo |
| 08:28.01 | Nom- | that's pretty cool |
| 08:28.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | other than virtuall console |
| 08:28.05 | JunkHead-Work | Sports is decent, but it gets old fast. |
| 08:28.12 | cybane | What about Metroid? |
| 08:28.24 | AnduinLothar | needs more multiplayer |
| 08:28.31 | cybane | Mario Party |
| 08:28.36 | AnduinLothar | ew |
| 08:28.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | SSB is the multiplayer game |
| 08:28.44 | AnduinLothar | needs more GOOD multiplayer |
| 08:28.47 | Nom- | It gives you 453-488 mana at level 70 |
| 08:28.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | but i bet they'll have a cheap guitar attachment for GH for wii |
| 08:28.59 | cybane | all belfs have that |
| 08:29.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | that you slide the wiimote into |
| 08:29.15 | Nom- | cybane: No, that's another spell |
| 08:29.21 | Nom- | cybane: This is a priest spell gained at level 20 |
| 08:29.24 | cybane | oh yeah arcane torrent |
| 08:29.39 | Nom- | It consumes a priest spell from the caster and gives you mana |
| 08:29.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | i dunno, i'm gonna be terrible at Guitar hero |
| 08:29.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | but i want to play thunderhorse dammit |
| 08:29.49 | JunkHead-Work | I'm not very good at it either. |
| 08:29.54 | JunkHead-Work | So don't feel bad. |
| 08:30.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | i played it on ps2 a bit |
| 08:30.01 | cybane | I want to play the Warhammer 40,000 MMOG =( |
| 08:30.04 | Nom- | If it's random, then it wouldn't be so useful, but i'm thinking rank 1 renew, consume for free mana |
| 08:30.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | 5 starred thunderhorse the first time i picked up the controller on easy :p |
| 08:30.22 | JunkHead-Work | I have Gh 1 on PS2. |
| 08:30.22 | Nom- | aww crap it's random |
| 08:30.27 | Nom- | oh well, it could have been cooo |
| 08:30.30 | JunkHead-Work | I played it for a long time the first day. |
| 08:30.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | ah |
| 08:30.36 | JunkHead-Work | Then didn't play it at all. |
| 08:30.45 | JunkHead-Work | Thena friend came over one day and we played it for a long time. |
| 08:30.51 | cybane | Nom only buff up is renew and it will work |
| 08:30.52 | JunkHead-Work | After that... I haven't touche dit. |
| 08:31.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | renew rank 1 |
| 08:31.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | or inner fire rank 1 |
| 08:31.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | or whatever's super cheap |
| 08:32.35 | Nom- | yeah i know, but it means that you won't have any other priest buffs |
| 08:32.40 | Nom- | for example spirit |
| 08:33.01 | Nom- | given it's a PvE targeted special, not having DS is pretty unlikely imho |
| 08:34.06 | cybane | http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=TVzxzhbZVV0VxxoVuVoc Whatcha think of this for Fury PVE/PVP? |
| 08:34.20 | cybane | I think spell steal is going to be annoying |
| 08:36.27 | cybane | I am thinking about dropping the point out of Anger Management and put it back into Imp Charge |
| 08:36.28 | krka | i can't see any spell steal on that |
| 08:37.02 | cybane | Yeah I was just stating that is going to be annoying |
| 08:37.18 | krka | i see |
| 08:37.27 | krka | do you charge more often than every 9 seconds? |
| 08:37.48 | cybane | You can't |
| 08:37.48 | Nom- | in pvp you could and probably will :P |
| 08:37.58 | cybane | Charge is 10 sec CD I thought |
| 08:38.08 | krka | then it seems anger management is better |
| 08:38.24 | krka | depends on the length of fights i guess |
| 08:38.38 | cybane | PVP in this game prolly not long |
| 08:38.58 | cybane | Ugh the only thing that sucks about playing my warrior is that I am going to have to get more Tubers |
| 08:39.58 | Nom- | lol |
| 08:40.11 | Nom- | Level 70: The level of the consumeables. |
| 08:40.39 | Nom- | I've spent more on raid consumeables in 3 weeks as a raiding paladin than I did in 4 months as a raiding mage |
| 08:40.56 | Nom- | and we're raiding less frequently too |
| 08:41.35 | Nom- | On my mage, we were hitting ZG and AQ20 at least once a week each, MC 1 day a week, BWL 2 days a week |
| 08:41.43 | Nom- | and AQ40 1 day a week |
| 08:42.06 | cybane | LOL |
| 08:42.28 | Nom- | well BWL 2 days was like BWL until we cleared it, then AQ40 |
| 08:42.36 | cybane | Well I like to PVP a lot and that does not leave me with a lot of choices since I do not have pocket Paladin so I use consumables |
| 08:42.53 | Nom- | Usually that meant we just downed the last 2 bosses in BWL then went to AQ40 and spent all afternoon there |
| 08:43.22 | Nom- | I miss big raids :~( |
| 08:44.06 | cybane | I hate big raids |
| 08:44.21 | cybane | Never felt epic just felt like a lot of people |
| 08:44.40 | cybane | I would rather have a small fight that takes awhile than a lot of people that takes awhile |
| 08:44.40 | Nom- | 20-mans were the most fun |
| 08:44.56 | cybane | I liked UBRS the most |
| 08:45.10 | cybane | Drak was good difficulty for the ammount of people you could have |
| 08:45.10 | Nom- | I never really hit UBRS |
| 08:46.02 | Nom- | Drak at level 60 is no harder than Attumen at level 70 |
| 08:46.12 | Nom- | And we one-shotted him on our first day in Karazhan :P |
| 08:46.47 | cybane | Look at the gear difference |
| 08:47.02 | cybane | When Drak was first being done No one had a complete Tier1 set yet |
| 08:47.21 | Nom- | noone has a complete tier 4 set now |
| 08:47.25 | cybane | Also, people did not know the mechanics of the game as well back then |
| 08:47.29 | Nom- | well noone who isn't hitting karazhan anyway lol |
| 08:47.39 | Nom- | That's true. |
| 08:48.01 | cybane | Also, drak's little you die now ability was fun |
| 08:48.46 | cybane | Warrior with fire resist and a priest at lvl 70 could duo UBRS now prolly |
| 08:48.54 | cybane | MC is going to be 5 man able |
| 08:49.05 | cybane | Betcha a lot more people start getting TFs |
| 08:50.18 | Nom- | lol MC will need more than 5-man |
| 08:50.30 | Nom- | You might be able to 15-20man it |
| 08:50.59 | Nom- | We're looking at running a 25-man in Naxx |
| 08:51.13 | Nom- | To get back into the swing of 25-man raids before we try and hit the other big ones after Karazhan |
| 08:51.35 | Nom- | There's no point going somewhere like ZG, really... Naxx is still challenging at level 70 at least |
| 08:51.59 | cybane | Yeah and nice gear |
| 08:52.09 | cybane | BWL is still worth doing too |
| 08:52.16 | Nom- | Not for us |
| 08:52.21 | Nom- | We were already clearing BWL every week |
| 08:53.01 | Nom- | Naxx gear is at least as good as level 70 blues |
| 08:53.10 | Nom- | Which is what makes it not completely worthless to go back to |
| 08:54.30 | Nom- | hmm i wonder if an overnight courier service has made the 20 minute trip to my place to drop of my new gear yet :/ |
| 08:54.35 | cybane | http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=pVMxdhi0MZVV0A0xRVd |
| 08:54.40 | cybane | I really really like that build |
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| 09:05.25 | cybane | I can not believe how weak they made Grom's axe |
| 09:05.56 | cybane | Also, >.< it drops in Kharazam\n |
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| 09:16.57 | ZealotOnAStick | well, it is from a demon. |
| 09:17.23 | ZealotOnAStick | granted, I'd rather see it wrested from a Pit Lord than from an Eredar. |
| 09:17.47 | ZealotOnAStick | but Grom's kick-ass wasn't from an axe, it was from him. |
| 09:19.25 | cybane | Yeah I know but it should drop from Magtheridon since umm that is where it was lodged last |
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| 09:20.05 | cybane | Unless ole Maggy threw it off to the side and some demon came by and said Hey lookie what I found guys |
| 09:21.36 | cybane | http://www.thottbot.com/i28427 Now that is a tanking sword |
| 09:29.53 | Russlo | yeah, that sword is pretty ba dass. with the space. |
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| 09:34.27 | cybane | But alas if I really want to tank I should try and get TF |
| 09:34.50 | subbawt | i just played my friend's warrior |
| 09:34.53 | subbawt | intervene is so much fun |
| 09:35.12 | Russlo | warriors are fun. |
| 09:35.28 | Russlo | must say that I feel my warlock is most survivable in high lag though |
| 09:35.28 | subbawt | he's prot spec |
| 09:35.35 | subbawt | so i was tanking AV |
| 09:35.37 | subbawt | it was fun |
| 09:37.00 | cybane | lol |
| 09:37.41 | cybane | Yeah but warlocks get boring after a bit |
| 09:37.44 | cybane | I got bored with mine |
| 09:38.02 | cybane | Pet, Dot Dot Dot, Pet on next mob loot 1st repeat |
| 09:39.44 | cybane | You know after watching 300 I think it would be sweet to have warriors with a Phalanx ability in the defensive stance that would allow two warriors to work together |
| 09:39.56 | Russlo | yeah, true. but if you die after you've dotted, and you have out the vw, you would be amazed how long you can last at 4000milliseconds of lag... |
| 09:40.06 | Russlo | I smell a suggestion. |
| 09:40.26 | Russlo | -die +lag |
| 09:40.31 | Russlo | sorry, usually lag = death |
| 09:41.22 | Russlo | I just learned recently from a friend how wrong I had been the entire time I've played games with a "tank" class... |
| 09:41.59 | Russlo | like when you're the support tank, you don't fight and draw aggro from the main tank's selected enemy... I mean... to me, it was almost counterintuitive, something I never understood... |
| 09:42.23 | Russlo | you fight the enemy he's not focused on, and draw aggro off him... it makes more sense when you're fighting larger enemies with adds... but not so much when all your enemies are the same... |
| 09:42.53 | cybane | Okay that is not entirly right |
| 09:43.00 | Russlo | explain |
| 09:43.08 | cybane | There are actually a lot more people involved I will break it down |
| 09:43.20 | Russlo | ok |
| 09:43.21 | cybane | MT (Primary hate guy who gets a lot of heals) |
| 09:43.41 | cybane | ST (Secondary hate guy on the same target does not need heals) |
| 09:44.04 | cybane | Offtanks (Tank adds and other things beating on the MT or ST) |
| 09:44.20 | cybane | MA (This is guy everyone targets to get their target to damage) |
| 09:44.30 | cybane | SA (Backup to the MA incase he dies) |
| 09:44.53 | cybane | Offtanks can be druids, paladins or shamans in a pinch |
| 09:45.07 | cybane | MA is usually a rogue or mage |
| 09:45.24 | cybane | In my world atleast |
| 09:45.28 | Russlo | hehe |
| 09:46.04 | cybane | the goal of MT and ST are to be the two highest on the hate list |
| 09:46.11 | cybane | If MT goes down the ST can take over |
| 09:46.39 | cybane | It is also usually best to have an offtank rdy to start STing incase the original ST is turned into the MT |
| 09:46.43 | Russlo | I wont dispute those naming conventions, especially not for a larger raid, or just a really well organized group. |
| 09:47.40 | cybane | For me to raid in WoW I would have to find people who are not morons |
| 09:47.45 | Russlo | The only problem with all that as I see it... |
| 09:47.48 | Russlo | lol, yeah |
| 09:47.50 | cybane | I ran with a really tight group that made me a snob for raiding |
| 09:48.10 | Russlo | I think the ante gets upped when you know the person in real life, and they live in the same town... |
| 09:48.21 | Russlo | you could almost walk to their house on a whim, just to kick them in the nuts for being retarded |
| 09:48.24 | Russlo | that changes things |
| 09:48.49 | Russlo | but like I was saying... large raids, well organized groups... most of the time, it's hard just getting one tank, at least on my server, at least that's how I see it... |
| 09:49.12 | Russlo | so you get the one tank, or the druid/pal/shammy like you said |
| 09:49.23 | Russlo | and if you're a warlock... you got your voidwalker |
| 09:49.25 | subbawt | i've never seen a shaman succesfully tank _ANYTHING_ |
| 09:50.02 | Russlo | neither have I actually, come to think on it, I don't know why it was included in the list, but I'm sure I'll find out someday when I decide to play one |
| 09:50.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | i tanked ZF on mine |
| 09:51.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | but once you get past level 50-55, their tanking viability tapers off fast |
| 09:51.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | it starts at 40, and at 50 it really picks up |
| 09:51.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | or drops off, i guess |
| 09:52.58 | Russlo | so in the example I'm referring to, my voidwalker becomes the ST or offtank at best, and the idea is not to try to grab aggro from the same mob, but to take aggro from other mobs off the MT ... that and I'm going to be dotting everything |
| 09:52.58 | cybane | I include shamans in that list since they can don a shield and have decent armor |
| 09:53.34 | cybane | Well with poop shield they can keep alive |
| 09:53.54 | cybane | IMO the best off tank is a paladin hands down since they can heal themselves |
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| 09:54.08 | cybane | leaves priests to heal the warriors |
| 09:55.00 | Russlo | hmm |
| 09:55.08 | cybane | Russlo I learned raiding by where if you mess up you could be kicked out the raid. Everquest did not tolerate people messing around not like here in WoW |
| 09:55.32 | Shirik | ah yes |
| 09:55.41 | cybane | Sup Shirik |
| 09:55.49 | Shirik | good raid leaders always maintain control |
| 09:55.53 | Shirik | no "messing around" |
| 09:56.06 | cybane | For example one rule I miss is the you do not run past the MT or ST |
| 09:56.14 | cybane | That used to be an immediate boot |
| 09:56.23 | Shirik | good man |
| 09:56.40 | cybane | Also, not only is it the MT jobs to keep agro is also the DPS' job to not steal agro |
| 09:56.49 | Russlo | (ha!) |
| 09:57.13 | cybane | <---Made a call to assist and assist macro the first second I started playing |
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| 09:57.17 | Shirik | "And back in my day, sonny, we didn't have this newfangled KTM" |
| 09:57.26 | Russlo | hehe |
| 09:57.56 | Russlo | if a mage isn't generating aggro, they're probably making something to drink... |
| 09:58.07 | cybane | I started calling to assist while grouped on the island west of Sin'jin village people looked at me funny |
| 09:58.24 | cybane | They were like WTF you doing |
| 09:58.34 | cybane | I said umm telling you to come and do dmg I have aggro now |
| 10:00.14 | cybane | Oh and if I ever run a raid there is no more than 1 jump per 3 minutes unless other wise stated rule. Failure to comply will remove your ability to gain DKP on this run and still require you to finish the run or lose all your DKP. I hate bouncers |
| 10:00.50 | Russlo | please explain jump and DKP |
| 10:01.02 | cybane | Oh Russlo there is getting some aggro and OMFG PEW PEW EXPLOSIONS!! |
| 10:01.11 | Russlo | hahaha |
| 10:01.20 | cybane | You know when people run around jumping all over |
| 10:01.25 | cybane | Pisses me off |
| 10:01.37 | Russlo | ahhh... spacebar... jump... gotchya |
| 10:01.46 | cybane | Yeah DKP is Dragon Kill Points |
| 10:01.54 | Russlo | that's pretty specific........... heh, I see |
| 10:02.16 | cybane | People in WoW ripped it off and called it Dungeon Keeper Points pfft lame name |
| 10:02.34 | cybane | Back in EQ dragons were really the only thing people cared about loot wise |
| 10:02.43 | cybane | One draong kill got you 1 pt |
| 10:02.48 | cybane | dragon |
| 10:03.03 | cybane | Now people get pts if they show on time to raids pofft |
| 10:04.21 | cybane | I am usually not liked when I run raids in this game people say I am way too uptight |
| 10:05.39 | cybane | I have a very Henry Rollins approach to stupidity |
| 10:06.36 | Shirik | anyone know baseball? |
| 10:06.50 | JunkHead-Work | What about it? |
| 10:06.54 | Russlo | if you mention the cubs |
| 10:06.58 | Russlo | I will vomit. |
| 10:07.12 | JunkHead-Work | The Cubs. |
| 10:07.13 | Russlo | and that's not the mescal worm talking |
| 10:07.14 | Shirik | specifically fantasy sports |
| 10:07.23 | JunkHead-Work | The Cubs. |
| 10:07.30 | JunkHead-Work | :) |
| 10:07.33 | JunkHead-Work | The Cubs. |
| 10:07.36 | Russlo | ... |
| 10:07.40 | JunkHead-Work | Hehehe |
| 10:07.49 | JunkHead-Work | Just wanted to see far that would go. |
| 10:08.07 | cybane | ROFL |
| 10:08.09 | Russlo | oh I could've gone all night... |
| 10:08.19 | JunkHead-Work | The Cubs. |
| 10:08.38 | Russlo | keep doing it, I may actually vomit. |
| 10:09.00 | Russlo | I'm gonna smell this four day old jar of half-eaten salsa that's been left out of the fridge while you type it... |
| 10:09.05 | JunkHead-Work | That won't make me happy though. Because I won't know if you truly vomit or not. |
| 10:09.11 | JunkHead-Work | Haha |
| 10:09.24 | JunkHead-Work | Ready? |
| 10:09.33 | Russlo | no, I have to pee first before we try this... |
| 10:09.37 | JunkHead-Work | Ok. |
| 10:09.44 | JunkHead-Work | Yeah.. don't want to make a mess. |
| 10:10.57 | Russlo | back, brought a bucket |
| 10:11.16 | JunkHead-Work | Ok. |
| 10:11.20 | Russlo | actually, I don't want to do this. |
| 10:11.38 | Russlo | I just threw up Sunday afternoon after staying out all night drinking Saturday night and into sunday morning... |
| 10:11.42 | JunkHead-Work | http://www.powermaxconsulting.com/caraywgn.jpg |
| 10:11.47 | JunkHead-Work | Does this help you any? |
| 10:11.51 | Russlo | and my eyes are still hurting, I threw up that hard |
| 10:12.08 | Russlo | oh...hate you... let me guess... you play horde... |
| 10:12.15 | JunkHead-Work | Nope. |
| 10:12.26 | JunkHead-Work | http://www.powermaxconsulting.com/a_caray1.jpg |
| 10:14.09 | JunkHead-Work | Oh damn... that guy is dead? |
| 10:14.09 | JunkHead-Work | Well now I feel kinda bad. |
| 10:14.09 | cybane | Horde the only faction to be with. Side with those in the right |
| 10:14.10 | cybane | I think there should be a 3rd faction made up of both Horde and Alliance races. Those who think the currents leaders are really corrupt and need kicked in the nuts |
| 10:14.17 | JunkHead-Work | And their leader should be Jesse Ventura! |
| 10:14.29 | JunkHead-Work | "I Ain't Got Time To Bleed." |
| 10:14.43 | Russlo | you should be able to gain enough rep with neutral factions to be able to join them if you wanted to... |
| 10:15.07 | cybane | ROFL YAR I BE A PIRATE! |
| 10:15.12 | Russlo | damn right! |
| 10:16.19 | Russlo | "I can't believe so-and-so took up with those dirty centaurs..." "Believe it... it's right there under his name..." |
| 10:16.20 | cybane | lol |
| 10:16.42 | JunkHead-Work | That remidns me... |
| 10:16.45 | cybane | Damn Orc went and joined the burning legion |
| 10:19.17 | JunkHead-Work | Blah can't find it now. |
| 10:19.43 | cybane | Hrm Blood Craze and Piercing Howl or Imp Slam and Imp Intercept? |
| 10:20.14 | cybane | http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=pVMxbhZVV0V0gRVzZc TELL ME WHAT YOU THINK HUMAN! |
| 10:21.01 | Russlo | hehe |
| 10:21.07 | Russlo | I think this little human is going to bed now... |
| 10:21.14 | Russlo | a month of grave shift MESSED me up |
| 10:21.20 | Russlo | been nice talking with you. |
| 10:23.03 | JunkHead-Work | A month of Graveyard... |
| 10:23.15 | JunkHead-Work | I bet that would mess you up a bit. |
| 10:23.30 | Shirik | meh |
| 10:23.34 | Shirik | I run on my own graveyard time |
| 10:23.43 | Shirik | I go to sleep at 5AM, wake up about 3PM |
| 10:23.45 | Shirik | works beautifully |
| 10:23.48 | JunkHead-Work | I've been on midnight shift for... over 2 years now. |
| 10:24.03 | JunkHead-Work | But I'd hate to do it for a month then switch. |
| 10:25.25 | Shirik | Personally |
| 10:25.25 | JunkHead-Work | I work 12-8am. |
| 10:25.25 | Shirik | I love being... nocturnal? |
| 10:25.25 | JunkHead-Work | And sleep from 2-3pm - 11pm |
| 10:25.25 | Shirik | I get a lot of work done that way |
| 10:25.25 | Shirik | it's a lot easier for me to concentrate at night tbh |
| 10:25.26 | JunkHead-Work | I like it because it's usually quieter at night. |
| 10:25.26 | JunkHead-Work | And not as hot. |
| 10:26.00 | JunkHead-Work | But I don't really get to take advantage of those. |
| 10:27.09 | Shirik | damn it! |
| 10:27.20 | cybane | Heh I am at work right now |
| 10:27.20 | Shirik | They took Felix Hernandez out? Wtf |
| 10:27.27 | Shirik | I was going to get a shutout on him! |
| 10:27.29 | JunkHead-Work | So am I. |
| 10:27.53 | cybane | Any of you guys use AG_UF? |
| 10:28.07 | JunkHead-Work | What's the AG stand for? |
| 10:28.10 | Shirik | blizzard frames ftw |
| 10:28.17 | Shirik | JunkHead-Work: I don't think anyone knows |
| 10:28.22 | JunkHead-Work | Oh well. |
| 10:28.31 | JunkHead-Work | I use X-Perl Unit Frames. |
| 10:28.33 | nevcairiel | ag is the author |
| 10:28.34 | Shirik | that's jus what they're called :P |
| 10:28.36 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 10:28.37 | Shirik | ah is he? |
| 10:28.40 | JunkHead-Work | Ah ok. |
| 10:28.49 | [Ammo] | ag = andreasg |
| 10:28.50 | nevcairiel | andreasg .. or ag |
| 10:29.59 | cybane | The reason I ask is that when I use WoW UI I have almost no lag but when I turn them on I get lag |
| 10:30.12 | cybane | I think it might be the AG UF since I never remember FPS issues with Perl UF |
| 10:30.15 | Shirik | "lag" |
| 10:30.18 | Shirik | graphics lag? |
| 10:30.20 | cybane | Yeah |
| 10:30.27 | cybane | Like 8 FPS in some areas |
| 10:30.31 | cybane | When I am used to 24 |
| 10:30.31 | Shirik | shatt? |
| 10:30.40 | Shirik | Shatt just plain sucks. |
| 10:30.43 | cybane | no |
| 10:30.50 | cybane | Any where there is even a few people |
| 10:30.56 | cybane | Before I loaded UIs no issues |
| 10:31.01 | cybane | I think it is ag_UF |
| 10:31.15 | Shirik | well logically if the problem goes away when you disable them |
| 10:31.16 | SunTiger | easy test then |
| 10:31.21 | Shirik | the problem would be isolated to them :P |
| 10:31.33 | cybane | Yeah I know just can't test right now and wondering if someone else had this same issue |
| 10:32.38 | Shirik | sure you can test now |
| 10:32.43 | Shirik | not like your boss would care |
| 10:33.10 | Shirik | just tell him you're testing network connectivity and latency |
| 10:33.17 | Shirik | to improve your workspace's network |
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| 10:36.03 | Shirik | ........ |
| 10:36.15 | Shirik | So I've been waiting for a response from my hosting provider on this ticket I've had open for about 8 hours now |
| 10:36.19 | Shirik | checking my email every 5 minutes |
| 10:36.31 | Shirik | I've been checking the wrong email address; they sent a reply 6 hours ago |
| 10:37.00 | cybane | LOL |
| 10:37.06 | cybane | No really I can't test |
| 10:37.15 | cybane | How would I log into the game? |
| 10:37.25 | JunkHead-Work | External Hdd. |
| 10:37.29 | JunkHead-Work | Go buy one. |
| 10:37.45 | Shirik | VNC/RDP |
| 10:37.53 | cybane | I r cheap |
| 10:37.57 | Shirik | VNC is free |
| 10:38.03 | Shirik | RDP comes with Windows |
| 10:38.34 | JunkHead-Work | What I did was I found a deal on newegg. A 500gb HDD came with a free 80gb laptop drive. |
| 10:38.47 | JunkHead-Work | So I bought that, and bought a 20 dollar case for it. |
| 10:38.58 | cybane | nice |
| 10:39.13 | JunkHead-Work | I installed WoW, Guild Wars, and an asslaod of emulators and stuff. |
| 10:39.38 | cybane | They lock the PCs and permissions down here pretty tight |
| 10:40.09 | Shirik | haha |
| 10:40.09 | cybane | If I could get my Mac to load OS X again I would go with that but for some reason it not want to |
| 10:40.14 | Shirik | want to talk about tight restrictions |
| 10:40.16 | Shirik | go to my school |
| 10:40.18 | Shirik | you can't do crap |
| 10:40.27 | Shirik | And it really annoys me because I hate to use the mouse |
| 10:40.34 | Shirik | I use keyboard shortcuts for everything |
| 10:40.36 | cybane | lol |
| 10:40.40 | Shirik | can't hit windows+r, can't hit windows+e |
| 10:40.47 | Shirik | hell, you can't even type in C:\ |
| 10:40.51 | Shirik | but if you go to my computer and click on C: |
| 10:40.53 | Shirik | no problem |
| 10:41.06 | Shirik | nor can you go to F:\ (your personal drive) or type in any path whatsoever |
| 10:41.08 | Nom- | wtb something to do |
| 10:41.08 | Shirik | you have to click there... |
| 10:41.42 | cybane | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=89539676&sid=1 This thread delivers |
| 10:41.46 | JunkHead-Work | They don't really have much for security on these PC's. |
| 10:41.59 | JunkHead-Work | They don't pay attention to that crap. |
| 10:42.36 | JunkHead-Work | And to have someone as an actual network administrator would mean paying someone. |
| 10:43.16 | JunkHead-Work | So there isn't one. |
| 10:43.17 | Nom- | wtb alternate network to play on Tuesday nights :( |
| 10:43.22 | Nom- | stupid blizz and their long maintenance |
| 10:43.22 | Shirik | oh yeah wow's down eh? |
| 10:43.27 | Shirik | haha |
| 10:43.31 | JunkHead-Work | So if something goes wrong, depending on what the problem is, they have to call someone to come fix it. And that person might be here in town, or have to drive 2 hours to get here. |
| 10:43.32 | clad|sleep | guild mergers ftl. |
| 10:43.41 | Shirik | clad|sleep ? |
| 10:43.55 | Shirik | He must be having nightmares about guild mergers |
| 10:43.57 | Shirik | talking in his sleep |
| 10:44.04 | clad|sleep | my guild is retarded |
| 10:44.08 | clad|sleep | i'll leave it at that |
| 10:44.09 | Shirik | :( |
| 10:44.15 | Shirik | purl, comfort clad|sleep |
| 10:44.23 | purl | There, there, clad|sleep. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 10:44.23 | clad|sleep | out server is now 13:1 alliance to order |
| 10:44.28 | clad|sleep | and they're "suprised" that there's no horde talent for them to recruit |
| 10:44.35 | cybane | lol |
| 10:44.36 | Shirik | heh |
| 10:44.37 | JunkHead-Work | They should really do something about really imbalanced servers. |
| 10:44.38 | Shirik | wb Kirkburn|afk |
| 10:45.50 | clad|sleep | well Stormrage was neglected |
| 10:45.50 | clad|sleep | its a day one server |
| 10:45.51 | Shirik | JunkHead-Work: It's really not as easy as everyone thinks it is |
| 10:45.51 | JunkHead-Work | I play on Stormrage. |
| 10:45.51 | clad|sleep | rumor has it it was one of the beta harsware rebuilt |
| 10:45.51 | JunkHead-Work | Shirik - Oh I believe you. |
| 10:45.51 | clad|sleep | JunkHead-Work: for serious? |
| 10:45.51 | JunkHead-Work | Yes. Stormrage US. |
| 10:45.51 | JunkHead-Work | I've been there since... January 05. |
| 10:45.51 | clad|sleep | hehe, what chars? |
| 10:45.51 | cybane | Server tatios do not really matter unless you have a small BG |
| 10:45.51 | clad|sleep | and guild? |
| 10:45.52 | JunkHead-Work | All of my characters are Alliance. |
| 10:45.52 | clad|sleep | cybane: .... yes they do. |
| 10:45.52 | Shirik | Stormrage pvp server? |
| 10:45.53 | JunkHead-Work | PvE. |
| 10:45.56 | clad|sleep | no, PVE |
| 10:46.04 | Shirik | So finding a group is impossible? |
| 10:46.04 | clad|sleep | JunkHead-Work: Most of my chars are alliance |
| 10:46.12 | clad|sleep | Finding any talent is impossible |
| 10:46.16 | clad|sleep | the server was so overpopulated |
| 10:46.18 | clad|sleep | it lagged to shit |
| 10:46.21 | clad|sleep | and we nevergot upgraded |
| 10:46.22 | JunkHead-Work | My main is in a guild called Death hand. |
| 10:46.23 | cybane | If I am not playing Horde I am playing a fricken Gnome |
| 10:46.27 | JunkHead-Work | Hand* |
| 10:46.27 | clad|sleep | then when we did, the problem didn't fix. |
| 10:46.35 | clad|sleep | so they FINALLY opened up free transfers |
| 10:46.38 | clad|sleep | and all of horde left |
| 10:46.42 | JunkHead-Work | Yup. |
| 10:46.42 | clad|sleep | and one alliance guild left |
| 10:46.42 | clad|sleep | gg |
| 10:46.44 | Shirik | ouch |
| 10:46.50 | JunkHead-Work | We lost a few players too. |
| 10:46.52 | clad|sleep | so there's literally 13:1 right now. |
| 10:46.54 | JunkHead-Work | We lost our MT. |
| 10:47.00 | clad|sleep | JunkHead-Work: I know, but you have more than enough to make up for it =) |
| 10:47.24 | Shirik | I could make a char on your server and try to ease the imbalance ^^ |
| 10:47.28 | cybane | Do not look for talent then look for potential |
| 10:47.39 | clad|sleep | JunkHead-Work: I'm the oldest member of Silent Transcendence from the founding (the only one), and Ascending Dawn from back in 2005/jan. |
| 10:47.48 | JunkHead-Work | Character name? |
| 10:47.54 | clad|sleep | cybane: we can'tlook for _anything_ |
| 10:48.06 | cybane | open your eyes then lol jking |
| 10:48.07 | JunkHead-Work | Race/Class? |
| 10:48.08 | clad|sleep | cladhaire, sagart, sealgaire, modothea,mallaithe, draoi |
| 10:48.19 | JunkHead-Work | Hmm... |
| 10:48.21 | clad|sleep | familyjewels, leatherbag, monkeynuts |
| 10:48.21 | Shirik | you're draoi? |
| 10:48.25 | clad|sleep | .. yes |
| 10:48.28 | Shirik | um... |
| 10:48.32 | JunkHead-Work | None of those look familiar to me. |
| 10:48.42 | JunkHead-Work | But then again, I don't really pay attention to much. |
| 10:48.49 | Shirik | I should probably apologize to you |
| 10:48.52 | clad|sleep | hehe |
| 10:48.57 | cybane | ROFL |
| 10:48.57 | clad|sleep | Shirik: whyzzat? |
| 10:49.07 | Shirik | few months ago, maybe you forgot it by now :P |
| 10:49.07 | JunkHead-Work | My main is lvl 70 Human Paladin named Sinessa. |
| 10:49.09 | Shirik | forum thread, gc |
| 10:49.27 | clad|sleep | i'm not offended, heh |
| 10:49.29 | clad|sleep | and i remember |
| 10:49.31 | clad|sleep | i remember all =) |
| 10:49.42 | cybane | Oh link to thread I wanna read the drama |
| 10:49.50 | JunkHead-Work | I can group with someone, then group with them again the next day and not remember. |
| 10:49.53 | Shirik | it's months old |
| 10:49.56 | clad|sleep | unless you had an overwhelming sense of "zomg i got pwnt", i dont need an apology =) |
| 10:50.15 | Shirik | heh |
| 10:51.02 | Shirik | I think my views are skewed because I grew up without any garbage collectors whatsoever, so now that I've been thrown into that world over the past two years... not exactly sitting well |
| 10:51.03 | Nom- | meh i actually wanted to play my mage today...get a level |
| 10:51.10 | Nom- | downtime days are so inconvenient |
| 10:51.14 | clad|sleep | you were extremely biased =) |
| 10:51.17 | clad|sleep | like the fox news of WoW |
| 10:51.20 | clad|sleep | but i'm oky with that |
| 10:51.22 | Shirik | heh |
| 10:51.26 | Shirik | hey |
| 10:51.29 | clad|sleep | lol |
| 10:51.31 | Shirik | I like fox :( |
| 10:51.39 | clad|sleep | oh my |
| 10:51.44 | clad|sleep | fair and balenced for sure. |
| 10:51.49 | JunkHead-Work | I don't watch the news. |
| 10:51.50 | Shirik | well it's one of the few news shows I can get on XM |
| 10:51.55 | clad|sleep | so, these people for this conference on Agile development. |
| 10:51.57 | Shirik | And.. I don't turn on the tv |
| 10:52.00 | JunkHead-Work | I R LIKE SURPRISINGS! |
| 10:52.00 | clad|sleep | didn't accept my paper |
| 10:52.02 | clad|sleep | and i'm cool with that |
| 10:52.08 | clad|sleep | except they didn't GET what the hell it was about |
| 10:52.13 | clad|sleep | even after asking questions |
| 10:52.19 | clad|sleep | the guy still didn't _want_ to get it |
| 10:52.24 | clad|sleep | "Wait.. you work for Blizzard?" |
| 10:52.42 | cybane | lol |
| 10:52.49 | clad|sleep | *stab* |
| 10:52.54 | SunTiger | *sigh* incompetance! |
| 10:53.09 | Shirik | for the record though |
| 10:53.10 | clad|sleep | it was an experience report about developing a testing framework for wow addons, when building Dongle. |
| 10:53.13 | Shirik | yes, fox is extremely biased :P |
| 10:53.14 | clad|sleep | since we have unit tests for th entire core |
| 10:53.16 | Shirik | but I don't trust news anymore |
| 10:53.18 | clad|sleep | Shirik: =) |
| 10:53.37 | clad|sleep | "When they own the information, then can bend it all they want" |
| 10:53.40 | clad|sleep | i _hate_ that song |
| 10:53.43 | clad|sleep | but good point :P |
| 10:53.49 | Shirik | what song is that? |
| 10:53.57 | clad|sleep | john mayer |
| 10:54.11 | clad|sleep | "I'm a whiny bitch and people questioned my political stances, so i'm gonna whine about the government sucking" |
| 10:54.14 | JunkHead-Work | I lost it a long time ago. |
| 10:54.38 | clad|sleep | i think thats why Shirik and I get along |
| 10:54.44 | JunkHead-Work | I thought we were talking about server imbalance. |
| 10:54.47 | SunTiger | why did they not accept the paper ? |
| 10:54.52 | cybane | So wait what class in RL are you |
| 10:54.57 | cybane | NERF BUSH!! |
| 10:55.12 | clad|sleep | SunTiger: they had lots of submissions, it was easy to find reasons :P |
| 10:55.15 | Shirik | cybane recap: clad|sleep and I had an ... interesting debate on the forums a few months ago. I just realized it was him, 2 months later, and apologized. Then clad|sleep said I was biased like fox, then I said I liked fox. That's... about the jist of it |
| 10:55.24 | Shirik | clad|sleep: Why's that? |
| 10:55.33 | SunTiger | :( |
| 10:55.43 | SunTiger | can i read it somewhere online ? |
| 10:55.45 | cybane | I r going home now |
| 10:55.49 | Shirik | somewhere |
| 10:55.49 | JunkHead-Work | Seeya. |
| 10:55.51 | cybane | see ya when I screen -r again |
| 10:55.56 | Shirik | I'm not going to go find it >< |
| 10:56.02 | JunkHead-Work | I r c u l8r |
| 10:56.03 | clad|sleep | SunTiger: No, I could send it to you if you'd like, the proposal, and I could pastey the comments |
| 10:56.03 | Nom- | I was hoping Windows Vista would have been delivered by now |
| 10:56.04 | clad|sleep | *shrug* |
| 10:56.09 | Nom- | No such luck :( |
| 10:56.13 | Shirik | especially on maintenance day |
| 10:56.18 | Nom- | tomorrow they reckon |
| 10:56.24 | SunTiger | clad|sleep, email it to me please ? moonwolf.crn@gmail.com |
| 10:56.33 | Shirik | oh... find that :P |
| 10:57.44 | clad|sleep | they make some good points |
| 10:57.52 | clad|sleep | i.e. i was probably truly talking about integration testing |
| 10:57.55 | clad|sleep | rather than unit testing |
| 10:58.06 | clad|sleep | but.. they're so bastardly similar in this regard, and its such an odd environment |
| 10:58.11 | clad|sleep | that the integration testing IS the unit testing. |
| 10:58.18 | SunTiger | well, yeah |
| 10:58.29 | clad|sleep | which was the point of the paper |
| 10:58.31 | clad|sleep | =) |
| 10:58.34 | clad|sleep | emailed. |
| 10:58.36 | clad|sleep | along with comments. |
| 10:58.37 | SunTiger | its scripts integrating into a larger program |
| 10:58.40 | SunTiger | thankies |
| 10:59.02 | clad|sleep | i'm extremely happy I went that route with Dongle |
| 10:59.06 | clad|sleep | no more guessing on releases |
| 10:59.08 | clad|sleep | and not testing shit |
| 10:59.11 | clad|sleep | cause there's no excuse =) |
| 10:59.16 | clad|sleep | and, its not that hard. |
| 11:00.26 | clad|shower | if i forget to change my nick to clad|work, then you can mock me endlessly when I return from work ;-) |
| 11:00.27 | clad|shower | bbiaf |
| 11:00.36 | SunTiger | lol |
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| 11:08.00 | Kirkburn | The EU are investigating iTunes :O |
| 11:08.07 | Shirik | for? |
| 11:08.08 | Kaso | still? |
| 11:08.15 | Kirkburn | Restricting customer choice |
| 11:08.15 | Kaso | hasnt that been going on for years |
| 11:08.29 | Kirkburn | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6520677.stm |
| 11:08.45 | Kirkburn | "Brussels believes agreements between Apple and record companies violate EU laws by preventing users in one country buying music from a site elsewhere." |
| 11:09.13 | Shirik | and how do they do this prevention? |
| 11:09.19 | Shirik | By using better advertising techniques? |
| 11:09.26 | Kirkburn | By forcing UK users to buy from the UK iTunes store for example |
| 11:09.38 | Shirik | as opposed to the US iTunes store? |
| 11:09.42 | Kirkburn | Aye |
| 11:09.47 | Kirkburn | Thus forcing us to pay more |
| 11:09.48 | Kaso | as opposed to other EU stores to be exact |
| 11:09.49 | Shirik | wouldn't that cause problems with tax laws? :/ |
| 11:09.57 | Kaso | thats where the EU laws apply |
| 11:10.01 | Kirkburn | Kaso, true |
| 11:10.16 | Kirkburn | "Research by Which? in 2005 found that UK users paid 79p (1.16 euros) to download a song compared with 66p (99 euro cents) in France and Germany." |
| 11:12.03 | nevcairiel | poor UKers |
| 11:13.02 | Shirik | "Research by me in 2007 found that users in the U.S. paid on average $0.01 per downloaded song" |
| 11:13.24 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 11:13.25 | Shirik | "Most paying customers paid approximately $0.99 per song, but too many freeloaders offset that number" |
| 11:13.30 | nevcairiel | hehe |
| 11:18.39 | JunkHead-Work | I believe I reduced the average by over 30 cents by myself.:P |
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| 11:23.59 | nevcairiel | hehe |
| 11:24.03 | nevcairiel | only 30c ? :) |
| 11:24.33 | JunkHead-Work | Maybe more. |
| 11:24.35 | JunkHead-Work | :P |
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| 12:09.38 | Bleeter | http://blog.karnik.de/wp-content/uploads/2006/08/emo-day.jpg |
| 12:11.08 | Bleeter | http://www.foxwild.org/media/images/emo.jpg |
| 12:12.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | 2.0.12 out if you don't know yet |
| 12:13.34 | JunkHead-Work | Yup. |
| 12:13.39 | JunkHead-Work | 3mb or so |
| 12:18.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah |
| 12:19.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | generally i just hit the exe when the servers go down and hit w or something to see if there's a patch, haha |
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| 12:30.25 | Bleeter | hmmm http://cgi.ebay.com/25g-Pure-100-Caffeine-Powder-pharmaceutical-grade_W0QQitemZ140103609901QQcategoryZ19261QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD2VQQcmdZViewItem |
| 12:30.38 | Industrial | lol? |
| 12:30.54 | Bleeter | "If needed I can pack the item in different bags. (eg- 5x5gram bags)" |
| 12:30.59 | Bleeter | "Warning: Do not exceed over 800 mg in any 24 hour period." |
| 12:31.24 | JunkHead-Work | I had a catalog once that I stole from school. |
| 12:31.35 | JunkHead-Work | It was stuff that teachers could order for projects and stuff. |
| 12:31.35 | Industrial | 800 mg? |
| 12:31.49 | JunkHead-Work | In the chemistry section there was "Nicotine" |
| 12:31.59 | JunkHead-Work | You could actually order a solid block of Nicotine. |
| 12:32.04 | Industrial | lol |
| 12:32.15 | JunkHead-Work | You could also order dead animals and stuff. |
| 12:32.20 | Shirik | you know |
| 12:32.21 | Industrial | :| |
| 12:32.28 | Shirik | I'm tempted to buy that in 5x5 bags |
| 12:32.31 | Shirik | carry it around with me |
| 12:32.37 | Shirik | maybe in my car, and get intentionally pulled over |
| 12:32.39 | Shirik | with it on the seat |
| 12:32.44 | Shirik | just to see what happens |
| 12:32.56 | JunkHead-Work | You will be arrested.:P |
| 12:33.02 | Shirik | For carrying around caffine? |
| 12:33.06 | Corrodias | yes |
| 12:33.11 | Shirik | I don't think he can do that |
| 12:33.12 | Industrial | lol why |
| 12:33.14 | Corrodias | not convicted, but you'll spend a couple of hours downtime |
| 12:33.16 | JunkHead-Work | It'd be an unidentified substance. |
| 12:33.19 | Corrodias | while they identify it |
| 12:33.22 | Industrial | oh lol |
| 12:33.22 | Shirik | I'd tell him what it is |
| 12:33.24 | JunkHead-Work | yeah. |
| 12:33.30 | JunkHead-Work | You can tell them anything. |
| 12:33.34 | Corrodias | somehow i don't think they'd take your word for it |
| 12:33.38 | JunkHead-Work | You will still get taken to jail. |
| 12:33.45 | Shirik | Does he have reasonable proof that it's NOT caffine? |
| 12:33.52 | Corrodias | "y-y-y-eah, of-ficer, that-t's just caffeine" |
| 12:34.31 | Shirik | My point is he has no justification for disbelieving me. Thus I don't see that he can legally have me arrested, especially if I tell him the truth. |
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| 12:34.43 | Shirik | It's unconstitutional |
| 12:34.43 | JunkHead-Work | You would be picked up. |
| 12:34.56 | Industrial | once you get pulled over you are their bitch and if you move one inch you get maced or shot at WHAT THE FUCK |
| 12:34.57 | Corrodias | i'm not aware that the constitution protects people against being disbelieved |
| 12:35.16 | JunkHead-Work | That's how it works here anyway. |
| 12:36.51 | JunkHead-Work | Their reasoning would be they brought you in for having an unknown white powdery substance. |
| 12:37.09 | JunkHead-Work | Once lab results were done and came back, charges would be dropped maybe. |
| 12:37.18 | Industrial | GOT SUM CRAK!!?! (chapelle) |
| 12:37.19 | JunkHead-Work | But you would still picked up. |
| 12:37.31 | Shirik | unknown? |
| 12:37.36 | Shirik | I told him what it was, plain and simple |
| 12:37.45 | Shirik | I was not lying, I was not high, he had no reasoning behind disagreeing with me |
| 12:38.07 | JunkHead-Work | You have a bag full of white powder in your pocket sir. |
| 12:38.12 | Shirik | I do |
| 12:38.14 | Shirik | thank you for noticing |
| 12:38.21 | Industrial | he would have. what if it was.. CRAK!?! |
| 12:38.21 | JunkHead-Work | Why would you have a bag of caffeine in your pocket? |
| 12:38.34 | Shirik | to be honest |
| 12:38.35 | JunkHead-Work | I'm just telling you how it would go over here. |
| 12:38.39 | Shirik | the only reason I would ever do it |
| 12:38.44 | Industrial | Shirik: its like walking into a bank with a panty over your head. |
| 12:38.44 | Shirik | would be for this reason alone |
| 12:38.46 | JunkHead-Work | I've seen reports filled out. |
| 12:38.50 | JunkHead-Work | I know how that works. |
| 12:39.04 | Shirik | "over here" ? |
| 12:39.08 | Shirik | where's that |
| 12:41.14 | JunkHead-Work | How it would work, here. |
| 12:41.22 | Shirik | yeah, where's "here" |
| 12:41.30 | JunkHead-Work | I live in Alabama. |
| 12:41.33 | Shirik | ah |
| 12:41.40 | Shirik | so not too far away from me :P |
| 12:42.00 | JunkHead-Work | I just asked a co-worker. |
| 12:42.09 | JunkHead-Work | You could be charged for distributing. |
| 12:42.23 | Shirik | for distributing cocaine? |
| 12:42.25 | Shirik | er |
| 12:42.27 | Shirik | caffine |
| 12:42.31 | JunkHead-Work | Possibly yes. |
| 12:42.36 | JunkHead-Work | It sounds odd to me also. |
| 12:42.50 | JunkHead-Work | But people have been charged for trafficing rosemary. |
| 12:42.59 | JunkHead-Work | Because it was chopped up and in little baggies. |
| 12:43.20 | JunkHead-Work | Anyway, I gotta g. |
| 12:43.21 | JunkHead-Work | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:43.25 | Corrodias | it wouldn't last 5 minutes in a courtroom, obviously |
| 12:43.35 | Corrodias | but police don't make a habit of deciding cases. they just create them. |
| 12:44.07 | Shirik | right, I gotta head off to class myself |
| 12:44.08 | Shirik | take care |
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| 12:54.01 | SunTiger | i just got a brilliant idea of making kids smoke herb and telling them its weed and see how much the placebo effect and peer pressure would make them go insane. |
| 12:54.17 | SunTiger | some herb like rosemary or similar. |
| 13:00.37 | Shirik|AFK | you know |
| 13:00.52 | Shirik|AFK | that would be a really interesting, professional investigation |
| 13:01.10 | Shirik|AFK | with some really positive effects too |
| 13:01.34 | Shirik|AFK | if it turns out most of it is the placebo effect, then perhaps the study could be used to convince kids not to use drugs |
| 13:02.34 | sysrage | http://www.techeblog.com/index.php/tech-gadget/feature-cool-3d-desktops#more-8624 |
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| 15:20.07 | Shirik | anyone know when the servers actually come back up? |
| 15:20.21 | Shirik | As long as I've been involved in this game I never bothered to figure that out |
| 15:22.10 | cogwheel|work | it says in the message window on the login screen |
| 15:22.11 | cogwheel|work | usually it's 5-11 |
| 15:22.11 | Shirik | ok thanks |
| 15:22.14 | Calliee | I hate tuesdays :( |
| 15:22.16 | Shirik | hrm, 3-11 |
| 15:22.25 | Shirik | could this be indicative of 2.1 o.o |
| 15:22.30 | Shirik | extended maintenance? |
| 15:22.41 | cogwheel|work | Calliee: at least you only have to hate every other tuesday now :P |
| 15:23.43 | Calliee | I get off work at 7:00am Blizz time |
| 15:23.59 | Calliee | by the time they get the servers back up, it's bedtime for me :( |
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| 15:26.08 | Shirik | :( me too |
| 15:26.14 | Shirik | actually I might take a little nap now |
| 15:26.37 | Shirik | but I'd have to wake up in an hour :/ |
| 15:30.46 | Cide | 2.1 will most definitely be up on the PTR for several weeks |
| 15:37.52 | Shirik | yeh I know |
| 15:37.56 | Shirik | but stop ruining my dreams! |
| 15:40.49 | [dRaCo] | hey shirik, any progress on that flight mod? |
| 15:40.59 | Shirik | I wish I could say yes |
| 15:41.04 | Shirik | but I've been working on other things |
| 15:41.17 | Shirik | Hopefully, though, I'll be working on it next week |
| 15:41.34 | Shirik | that is, of course, assuming everything goes according to plan |
| 15:41.41 | Shirik | which never happens :( |
| 15:42.05 | [dRaCo] | so true |
| 15:42.22 | [dRaCo] | well, if you need somebody to test some stuff, let me know |
| 15:43.26 | Shirik | for the flight mod? |
| 15:43.56 | [dRaCo] | yeah |
| 15:44.04 | Shirik | will do :) |
| 15:44.10 | [dRaCo] | great |
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| 15:50.53 | Industrial | ~seen Cairenn |
| 15:51.18 | purl | cairenn <n=Cairenn@MMOI/Administratrix/Cairenn> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 15h 48m 9s ago, saying: 'zenzelezz: I sorta agree with you, but I have so many things to try to keep track of, being able to consolidate them all in one is just too convenient to not'. |
| 15:51.18 | Industrial | Does anyone know sometinhg about the LOTRO open beta? |
| 15:51.19 | Industrial | like, how to get into it |
| 15:51.28 | cogwheel|work | didn't they go live? |
| 15:51.51 | Shirik | Industrial: 6th |
| 15:51.52 | Industrial | oh, i thought cairenn said lotro open beta was april |
| 15:51.56 | cogwheel|work | I just signed up for the beta on their website and got an acceptance letter a week or so later |
| 15:51.57 | Industrial | 6 yeah |
| 15:52.03 | Industrial | hmm |
| 15:52.16 | Shirik | cogwheel|work: "open" beta for preorders started last week. fully open the 6th. |
| 15:52.18 | cogwheel|work | but that was like a month ago |
| 15:52.24 | cogwheel|work | oh |
| 15:52.25 | Shirik | maybe you got in closed beta |
| 15:52.27 | Shirik | ^^ |
| 15:52.34 | cogwheel|work | yeah... that must've been it >< |
| 15:52.37 | Industrial | To get started, simply follow the instructions below! Only players from the US, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand may participate in the World Tour of Middle-earth. EU players please visit Codemasters for more information. |
| 15:52.41 | Industrial | ack |
| 15:52.57 | Shirik | one of the devs was "Oh I know that cogwheel|work guy he's uber let's let him in and break our program" |
| 15:53.13 | Calliee | lol |
| 15:55.06 | cogwheel|work | hehe |
| 15:55.12 | cogwheel|work | pretty sure it was essentially random |
| 15:57.53 | Kaso| | Anyone got any ideas as towhen the PTRs are going to appear? |
| 15:58.02 | Shirik | when they're ready |
| 15:58.08 | Kaso| | haha |
| 15:59.33 | cogwheel|work | srsly |
| 16:00.11 | cogwheel|work | There's no point in asking questions like that :P |
| 16:00.27 | Industrial | why do they put crappy sites like codemasters in between >:( |
| 16:00.41 | Industrial | need to reg there first and get spammed and who knows what they will do with my email |
| 16:00.59 | Industrial | i refuse. |
| 16:01.05 | Industrial | (but i want to play lol) |
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| 16:07.51 | Shirik | .... |
| 16:07.53 | Shirik | Industrial |
| 16:07.58 | Shirik | I used to work for Codemasters |
| 16:08.37 | Shirik | why don't you like us :( |
| 16:08.49 | Industrial | what does it ... do ? |
| 16:08.57 | Shirik | what? |
| 16:09.02 | Industrial | besides giving me access to lotro :P |
| 16:09.11 | Shirik | um |
| 16:09.16 | Shirik | only thing I know of is the CodeM newsletter |
| 16:09.20 | Shirik | which you can opt out of |
| 16:09.25 | Industrial | send me emails about new games to buy and offer X and Y? :D |
| 16:09.39 | Shirik | not that I'm aware of, but keep in mind I didn't work on that system |
| 16:09.45 | cogwheel|work | Industrial: they put checkboxes on the signup pages for a reason ... |
| 16:09.57 | cogwheel|work | i think you're being a bit paranoid :P |
| 16:10.18 | Industrial | i unchecked all of them but i HAD to to reg |
| 16:10.19 | Industrial | lol |
| 16:10.28 | Shirik | I'll tell you this much |
| 16:10.36 | Industrial | but im a whiner so dont worry :> |
| 16:10.37 | Shirik | I detest the CodeM system, straight up |
| 16:10.45 | Shirik | but there's nothing "bad" about it |
| 16:10.47 | Shirik | it's just poorly designed |
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| 16:11.08 | sysrage | wouldn't poor design be bad? |
| 16:11.14 | Shirik | by "bad" I mean spam, etc. |
| 16:13.16 | Shirik | hmm |
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| 16:39.57 | TC_Working | ~poke Shirik |
| 16:40.00 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Shirik, pokes Shirik repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 16:40.03 | Shirik | ~poke purl |
| 16:40.07 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind purl, pokes purl repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 16:40.26 | Shirik | that was more difficult to read than I thought it would be >< |
| 16:40.38 | TC_Working | how so? |
| 16:40.40 | Shirik | purl, say ~poke TC_Working |
| 16:40.41 | purl | ~poke TC_Working |
| 16:40.50 | Shirik | aww it didn't work :( |
| 16:41.39 | TC_Working | heh, nice try though |
| 16:42.44 | Shirik | purl, say >>> print("I love you"); |
| 16:42.47 | purl | >>> print("I love you"); |
| 16:42.56 | Shirik | :( Cide's bot is off |
| 16:42.57 | Shirik | I give up |
| 16:43.04 | Cide | try now |
| 16:43.10 | Shirik | purl, say >>> print("I love you"); |
| 16:43.11 | purl | >>> print("I love you"); |
| 16:43.16 | Cide | :) |
| 16:43.20 | Shirik | you blocked purl? |
| 16:43.23 | Cide | oh yes |
| 16:43.37 | Shirik | no fun :( |
| 16:43.44 | TC_Working | nope, no fun |
| 16:44.10 | Cide | otherwise someone would make it react to the output and start a spam loop |
| 16:44.13 | Shirik | was trying to think up a way I could get cide and purl to have an argument with each other |
| 16:44.14 | Shirik | yeah |
| 16:44.59 | Shirik | oh |
| 16:45.02 | TC_Working | yea, i tried a loop as well |
| 16:50.11 | Shirik | cide did you ever fix this? |
| 16:51.16 | Cide | fix what? :P |
| 16:51.16 | Shirik | >>> a = "return 0+"; for x = 1, 10000000 do a = a..(x*0.0001); end loadstring(a)(); |
| 16:51.22 | Cide | Shirik: maximum execution time (5s) exceeded |
| 16:51.26 | Shirik | apparently so |
| 16:51.43 | Cide | didn't you just fail? |
| 16:51.51 | Shirik | ? |
| 16:51.59 | Cide | I thought you used something else last time |
| 16:52.05 | Cide | I don't think I fixed it |
| 16:52.39 | Shirik | >>> a = "return 1+"..string.rep("1+",10000000).."1"; loadstring(a)(); |
| 16:52.46 | Cide | Shirik: maximum execution time (5s) exceeded |
| 16:52.52 | Shirik | nope, seems to be fixed :/ |
| 16:53.07 | Cide | I'm positive Iriel's isn't |
| 16:53.11 | Shirik | heh |
| 16:53.15 | Shirik | I still haven't figured that one out |
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| 16:57.36 | Mike-N-Go_ | ~wowtorent |
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| 16:58.02 | Mike-N-Go_ | ~wowtorrent |
| 16:58.57 | Mike-N-Go_ | Humm.. I turned off my firewall(s), and put my computer in the DMZ, yet the Blizz Downloader won't download. |
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| 17:04.05 | Neuro_Medivh | Yeah, blizzard seems very sluggish today |
| 17:04.22 | Mike-N-Go_ | "HTTP Error 500-13 - Server too busy" o.0 |
| 17:05.19 | Mike-N-Go_ | Only because they don't want to buy extra band with for patch days.. |
| 17:05.31 | zenzelezz | so there's a patch today? |
| 17:05.40 | Mike-N-Go_ | Blizz rather we not cancel our accounts. |
| 17:05.55 | Mike-N-Go_ | Blizz rather we not cancel our accounts =] |
| 17:05.57 | Mike-N-Go_ | Yup |
| 17:06.01 | Mike-N-Go_ | 1.12 is out |
| 17:06.15 | zenzelezz | O_o |
| 17:06.35 | Mike-N-Go_ | Err, 2.0.12* |
| 17:06.52 | Mike-N-Go_ | Reading comprehension FTW... |
| 17:07.20 | Mike-N-Go_ | The torrent is 2.0.10 -> 2.0.12, what happened to 2.0.11? |
| 17:07.54 | Neuro_Medivh | Most likely, it never made it past internal testing |
| 17:07.57 | wereHamster | small patches don't have torrents |
| 17:08.19 | Neuro_Medivh | 2.0.11 probably wasn't out of internal QA before 2.0.12 was ready |
| 17:08.28 | Neuro_Medivh | so they just went on to 2.0.12 |
| 17:08.32 | nevcairiel | 2.0.11 was some asian-only patch |
| 17:08.39 | Calliee | that would be my guess as well |
| 17:08.41 | nevcairiel | i think china |
| 17:09.30 | gnorlish | you guys looking for the enUS patch? |
| 17:09.46 | Mike-N-Go_ | Well.. my download is creeping along.. 0.5 MB of 5.. |
| 17:09.51 | zenzelezz | "Using the customer support "Auto-Unstuck" will now trigger the one-hour cooldown on the player's hearthstone." -- about time... I know a few of my guildies have been using that |
| 17:09.55 | gnorlish | http://a.wirebrain.de/wow/patches/2.0.12/WoW-2.0.10.6448-to-2.0.12.6546-enUS-patch.exe worked fine a few mins ago |
| 17:10.09 | gnorlish | check the hash if you wish, it's clean |
| 17:10.18 | Mike-N-Go_ | Yah, what is the auto-unstuck?? a HS with 5 Minute CD. |
| 17:10.49 | wereHamster | zenzelezz, I thought that was fixed long time ago 0.o |
| 17:11.03 | Mike-N-Go_ | What is 'hash' makes me think of hash-browns. |
| 17:11.21 | Shirik | md5, sha1, whatever |
| 17:11.36 | Shirik | it's like.... |
| 17:11.38 | Shirik | a fingerprint |
| 17:11.40 | zenzelezz | just a calculated value, like CRC |
| 17:11.56 | pastamancer | it's kinda like hash browns |
| 17:11.58 | Mike-N-Go_ | ~dict hash |
| 17:12.02 | Shirik | it is nothing like hash browns >< |
| 17:12.04 | Mike-N-Go_ | ~dict CRC |
| 17:12.07 | pastamancer | you feed in some data, it mashes it, and the result is hash |
| 17:12.18 | Shirik | Mike-N-Go - it's like the fingerprint of a file |
| 17:12.19 | zenzelezz | Mike-N-Go: "checksum" |
| 17:12.21 | Neuro_Medivh | mmmmm, hash browns |
| 17:12.25 | Mike-N-Go_ | Thanks for the link gnorlish |
| 17:12.31 | Mike-N-Go_ | I am hungry.. lol. |
| 17:12.37 | zenzelezz | not strictly a fingerprint; they can be fooled or not fool-proof, but by and large they're good enough |
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| 17:12.56 | Mike-N-Go_ | zenzelezz: That works, I know what a checksum is. |
| 17:13.04 | Shirik | "A hash function [1] is a reproducible method of turning some kind of data into a (relatively) small number that may serve as a digital "fingerprint" of the data. The algorithm "chops and mixes" (i.e., substitutes or transposes) the data to create such fingerprints, called hash values. These are commonly used as indices into hash tables or hash files. Cryptographic hash functions are used for various purposes in information security a |
| 17:13.08 | gnorlish | we have a crazy brit in my realm's irc channel, he always has fresh links |
| 17:13.14 | Neuro_Medivh | and they're tasty, if you make them with ham and chedder cheese |
| 17:13.38 | pastamancer | see, it is like hash browns! |
| 17:13.45 | Shirik | "chops and mixes" lol |
| 17:14.37 | Shirik | this is closer in definition |
| 17:14.38 | Shirik | In cryptography, a cryptographic hash function is a hash function with certain additional security properties to make it suitable for use as a primitive in various information security applications, such as authentication and message integrity. A hash function takes a long string (or 'message') of any length as input and produces a fixed length string as output, sometimes termed a message digest or a digital fingerprint. |
| 17:14.40 | Shirik | bah he left! |
| 17:14.50 | Shirik | oh wait there's 2 |
| 17:15.12 | Mike-N-Go_ | Darn.. gnorlish the link is an .exe, I am on mac and that incding is not valid.. other then the slight Archival.. |
| 17:15.39 | Neuro_Medivh | Oh, MAC support has been discontinued. |
| 17:15.51 | Mike-N-Go_ | *yells to self* is anyone there? |
| 17:16.00 | TC-Irssi | ... |
| 17:16.04 | Mike-N-Go_ | Mac, as in Macintosh. |
| 17:16.14 | Calliee | well, I'm patched.. but my server is still MIA |
| 17:16.59 | TC-Irssi | hmm....it's interesting to use 3 different IRC programs at the same time |
| 17:17.09 | gnorlish | that's all i got Mike-N-Go |
| 17:17.45 | Mike-N-Go | It is fine, the Blizz Downloader somehow decided to finish.. |
| 17:18.26 | Calliee | yeah, got both my boxes patched using the Blizz downloader |
| 17:19.12 | Mike-N-Go | It decideds to run slow as snail, then it perked up.. low Blizz Bandwith FTW! |
| 17:19.24 | Mike-N-Go | Considering there are 6 mill players.. |
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| 17:39.00 | Calliee | What I don't get is why us players don't seed the damn thing for like an hour after downloading |
| 17:39.25 | Calliee | that's the basic principle of torrents afterall |
| 17:39.48 | Calliee | your initial seed only needs enough bandwith to get the file out, then other seeds can take over |
| 17:39.57 | pastamancer | because the blizzard downloader doesn't let you throttle your uploads |
| 17:40.08 | Calliee | right |
| 17:40.15 | Calliee | basic flaw in the design |
| 17:40.36 | Calliee | easy to fix, there's a million torrent programs out there they could look at |
| 17:40.55 | zenzelezz | if I could limit the outgoing bandwidth in the downloader I wouldn't have a problem seeding a bit... but choking my connection is not quite to my taste |
| 17:41.07 | pastamancer | I'd certainly be more likely to seed patches if I could limit the upload to 5-10K while I'm playing |
| 17:41.07 | Calliee | agreed |
| 17:41.35 | wereHamster | extract torrent from downloader, seed.. |
| 17:41.54 | Beladona | what, people are having problems getting the patch? |
| 17:42.41 | zenzelezz | wereHamster: I'm doing them a favor by seeding, I shouldn't have to go to the trouble of manually extracting the torrent =) |
| 17:43.59 | Calliee | I regularly play WoW with 2 accounts online at once and Azerus seeding out at about 30k on my 3rd box |
| 17:44.00 | Beladona | changes are up on wdn already btw. what few there are |
| 17:45.31 | pastamancer | Beladona: <3 |
| 17:46.00 | cogwheel|work | Beladona: the "View" links are missing... |
| 17:47.47 | Beladona | cogwheel|work: fixed |
| 17:47.59 | Beladona | missed a regex >.< |
| 17:48.09 | cogwheel|work | :) |
| 17:49.07 | Beladona | I really hate it when changes get registered in the GLobalStrings file, even though most of them were just strings getting re-ordered |
| 17:49.34 | Arrowmaster | they change the ordering one patch then change it back the next |
| 17:49.36 | cogwheel|work | Yeah... I wonder how they're generating that file sometimes |
| 17:49.49 | MoonWolf | dynamically i think |
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| 17:50.02 | cogwheel|work | yeah, but why does it change the order every time? |
| 17:50.05 | MoonWolf | and sometimes certain files take preference over others. |
| 17:50.41 | wereHamster | I have a dedicated server, unlimited (100/1000 MBit/s) bandwidth, I'd certainly help blizzard with the seeding.. |
| 17:53.00 | MoonWolf | you underestimate the needs of the blizzard swarm |
| 17:53.20 | MoonWolf | i think that blizzard patches are without doubt the largest (in number of people) torrents out there. |
| 17:54.05 | Beladona | my guess is, they have some type of spreadsheet style view, and depending on who "generates" the resulting lua file, they sometimes forget to "sort" by variable |
| 17:54.42 | Beladona | so it gets ordered by whatever order it was in when they finished making changes |
| 17:54.56 | MoonWolf | or maybe they care very little about the order |
| 17:55.11 | Beladona | well, in the end, what does it matter |
| 17:55.17 | Beladona | except for those of us doing diffs |
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| 17:55.50 | MoonWolf | indeed |
| 17:56.01 | MoonWolf | to them nothing, to you, its annoying |
| 17:56.03 | MoonWolf | nothing more. |
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| 18:00.28 | TC-Irssi | ~poke TC_Working |
| 18:00.39 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind TC_Working, pokes TC_Working repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 18:00.44 | Industrial | is there an auctioneer irc channel? i vaguely remember something.. |
| 18:00.53 | cogwheel|work | #norganna |
| 18:00.56 | Industrial | ta |
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| 18:01.14 | wereHamster | isn't auctioneer party of cosmos? |
| 18:01.18 | cogwheel|work | no |
| 18:01.26 | Calliee | nope |
| 18:02.23 | AnduinLothar | it has Khaos options |
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| 18:11.10 | Industrial | http://www.glumbert.com/media/supermarket |
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| 18:11.11 | TC_Working | wiki store lolz |
| 18:11.11 | TC_Working | WB Cairenn |
| 18:13.51 | Cairenn | hi hi |
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| 18:30.01 | sandalf | hey |
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| 18:30.30 | TC_Working | hello sandalf |
| 18:31.17 | sandalf | I have some problems with cosmos and it was so i find this channel |
| 18:31.32 | TC_Working | i think cosmos has it's own channel |
| 18:31.44 | sandalf | mmm oki |
| 18:32.05 | sandalf | wich is ? |
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| 18:32.14 | TC_Working | #cosmostesters @ irc.datavertex.com |
| 18:33.06 | sandalf | Thanks i will try that |
| 18:33.55 | TC_Working | your welcome |
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| 18:49.55 | sysrage | figures the bastards couldn't use freenode |
| 18:50.32 | Industrial | eh? |
| 18:50.59 | Gryphen | o.O |
| 18:51.01 | Industrial | what does their choice have to do with freenode? |
| 18:51.19 | cogwheel|work | What do you mean by "the bastards"? |
| 18:51.43 | sysrage | ok ok. calm down. was joking |
| 18:52.21 | sysrage | kinda lame joke i suppose. just commenting that cosmos didn't use freenode. they seem like like being different |
| 18:52.30 | Industrial | I think its weird WE are on freenode. |
| 18:52.36 | wereHamster | why? |
| 18:52.37 | sysrage | s/seem like like/seem to like/ |
| 18:52.48 | Gryphen | been on datavertex sine before anyone was on freenode |
| 18:52.54 | sysrage | mods are open source to an extent, makes sense to me |
| 18:52.55 | Industrial | because its channels about games, id say go to quakenet or something |
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| 18:53.29 | Industrial | or gamesnet pick one :D |
| 18:53.36 | Industrial | it doesnt matter really :S |
| 18:53.42 | wereHamster | this is the wowI-lounge channel.. about interfacedevelopment, not the game.. |
| 18:53.57 | sysrage | weee. look what i started. lol |
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| 19:03.16 | Cairenn | purl, hug JoshBorke |
| 19:03.18 | purl | ACTION sneaks up on JoshBorke and suddenly hugs JoshBorke tightly |
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| 19:05.44 | JoshBorke | purl, hug Cairenn |
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| 19:05.51 | JoshBorke | how's your day going cair? |
| 19:05.54 | Kirkburn | Heh, "PlayStation 3 sales plunge 82% in UK" |
| 19:06.04 | Kirkburn | (and no, it's not because they ran out) |
| 19:07.08 | Arrowmaster | Industrial: i hope you ment gamesurge and not gamesnet |
| 19:07.20 | JoshBorke | brb |
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| 19:13.25 | Cairenn | pretty well, yourself? |
| 19:14.43 | JoshBorke | not too bad, bombed a test today, but meh, it happens |
| 19:14.51 | Cairenn | bleh |
| 19:15.02 | sysrage | tests are overrated |
| 19:15.10 | TC_Working | not to teachers |
| 19:15.20 | sysrage | teachers are overrated too |
| 19:15.38 | JoshBorke | i like the class, i just happened to bomb this test, i didn't study the right stuff |
| 19:15.39 | TC_Working | not to....err....superintendants |
| 19:16.40 | Beladona | you know whats funny |
| 19:17.04 | Beladona | I know people who are using their PS3's for FOlding@Home more than actually playing |
| 19:17.21 | Beladona | which ironically the PS3 is superb at |
| 19:18.05 | Beladona | last time I saw, PS3's were accounting for only 10% of the systems on this Folding@Home team, but were performing 60% of the calculations |
| 19:18.08 | Beladona | which is amazing |
| 19:18.36 | JoshBorke | imagine where we could be if GPU processing had been investigated/implemented sooner |
| 19:19.03 | Beladona | what do you mean? |
| 19:19.20 | Hallu2 | you mean like back in the amiga days? |
| 19:19.24 | JoshBorke | how much more research could have been performed by the folding@home team |
| 19:19.30 | Beladona | ... |
| 19:19.35 | Beladona | thats cell processing |
| 19:19.37 | Beladona | not the gpu |
| 19:19.44 | Beladona | if only |
| 19:19.44 | JoshBorke | bah, good point |
| 19:19.54 | JoshBorke | but still! the same principle applies! |
| 19:20.01 | Beladona | yeah |
| 19:20.33 | TC_Working | haha, a platinum gundam http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/gadgets/platinum-gundam-protects-very-small-countries-249291.php |
| 19:22.08 | cogwheel|work | http://fah-web.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=osstats |
| 19:22.34 | Beladona | wow |
| 19:22.57 | Beladona | last on the list for total CPUs, but first for total TFLOPS |
| 19:23.02 | Beladona | thats nifty |
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| 19:26.44 | Beladona | damn, those Mac users are stingy on the Folding@home network |
| 19:27.35 | cogwheel|work | about right, percentage-wise... |
| 19:30.16 | Beladona | comes out to 51% TFLOPS of the total |
| 19:30.27 | Beladona | 9.6% of the total active |
| 19:30.32 | Beladona | for PS3 |
| 19:30.55 | Beladona | I wonder how the XBOX360 would perform if we could get folding on it |
| 19:31.12 | Beladona | that would be an interesting comparison |
| 19:31.20 | Shadowed | Didn't they already figure out how to get stuff onto it |
| 19:31.27 | cogwheel|work | what kind of CPU does xbox use? |
| 19:31.32 | Beladona | "stuff" sure |
| 19:32.05 | Shadowed | though they managed to get Linux onto it, but haven't been paying attention to it lately |
| 19:32.29 | Beladona | xbox260 uses a triple core ppc cpu |
| 19:32.32 | Beladona | err |
| 19:32.35 | Beladona | xbox360* |
| 19:33.43 | Beladona | hey |
| 19:33.52 | Beladona | screenshot here of ubuntu linux running on a ps3 |
| 19:33.56 | Beladona | =D |
| 19:34.11 | Beladona | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Ubuntu-on-ps3.jpg |
| 19:42.26 | kaso | Whats the samwise icon called? |
| 19:49.28 | wereHamster | psubuntu :) |
| 19:49.59 | wereHamster | .. http://psubuntu.com/ |
| 19:55.18 | Kirkburn | Btw, for those who don't know, there's a critical update for Windows users which everyone should check for. |
| 19:56.08 | Calliee | I hate those |
| 19:56.17 | TC_Working | does that include vista? |
| 19:56.22 | cogwheel|work | yep |
| 19:56.33 | Calliee | every time I update I lose performance |
| 19:57.21 | Kirkburn | If you have Vista, UAC on and use IE7, you're safe |
| 19:57.23 | TC_Working | i dont like them because i dont like restarting my system |
| 19:57.26 | Kirkburn | But you should still update :) |
| 19:57.49 | Kirkburn | And this one requires a restart unlike normally |
| 19:58.04 | TC_Working | hah...unlike normaly he says |
| 19:58.06 | JoshBorke | ugh, i just restarted... |
| 19:58.16 | Kirkburn | Vista rarely needs a restart |
| 19:58.21 | Kirkburn | Calliee, sounds like you need to defrag :) |
| 19:58.24 | cogwheel|work | TC_Working: most of the time you don't need one |
| 19:59.31 | TC_Working | not in vista no, but in xp yes, at least 50% are restarts |
| 19:59.35 | Kirkburn | Still humours me how much of a drop in PS3 sales there were |
| 19:59.48 | Kirkburn | Yeah, true for XP |
| 19:59.57 | Kirkburn | *there was |
| 20:00.26 | JoshBorke | GD my resolution got reset |
| 20:00.27 | JoshBorke | SOB |
| 20:00.38 | Kirkburn | That makes little sense |
| 20:01.21 | Kirkburn | I hate that |
| 20:01.45 | JoshBorke | i don't remember what it was before |
| 20:02.01 | Kirkburn | You don't have it on max res? Crazee! |
| 20:02.07 | TC_Working | yea, no kidding |
| 20:02.10 | JoshBorke | i like to keep my performance :_P |
| 20:02.23 | JoshBorke | i've cranked it up to take pretty pictures of nagraand though |
| 20:02.27 | TC_Working | dont lower your monitor performance...upgrade your hardware |
| 20:02.31 | TC_Working | :) |
| 20:02.34 | Calliee | What I find really amusing is how the PS3 isn't moving yet the Wii can't stay in stock |
| 20:03.02 | Beladona | its the games |
| 20:03.13 | Beladona | not teh console |
| 20:03.18 | Calliee | and how thier played |
| 20:03.18 | JoshBorke | TC_Working: poor means not so much |
| 20:03.24 | Beladona | ps3 game selection is still very sparse |
| 20:03.33 | Calliee | the wii is just so much fun to use |
| 20:03.34 | JoshBorke | i'm gonna have to go in and readjust EVERYTHING |
| 20:03.59 | Calliee | PS3 is just another console with pretty pictures |
| 20:04.18 | Beladona | that can be said of any of the consoles |
| 20:04.19 | Kirkburn | The Wii game selection is also pretty sparse |
| 20:04.46 | Kirkburn | Atm there's .. Wii Sports and Wario Ware. Zelda hardly counts. |
| 20:05.08 | Kirkburn | No Super Paper Mario, no Super Mario Galaxy, etc, etc |
| 20:05.38 | TC_Working | i want the wii version of ssbm |
| 20:05.45 | Beladona | in my opinion the success or failure of most consoles is decided based on game selection and popularity. It usually only takes a well known game with good reviews to push sales of a console up |
| 20:05.46 | Calliee | but with the controller, even games that are out for other systems play like new games |
| 20:06.02 | Beladona | i.e. xbox360 + gears of war |
| 20:06.21 | Calliee | I bought a PS2 for 1 game, Kingdom Hearts |
| 20:06.31 | Beladona | I will get a ps3 |
| 20:06.33 | Calliee | still play it |
| 20:06.46 | Calliee | have only 4 games for it |
| 20:06.52 | Kirkburn | Beladona, do you own several large estates? |
| 20:06.54 | Beladona | there are games that WILL eventually come out that I just must play |
| 20:07.07 | Beladona | and being able to play ps2 games on it is a bonus |
| 20:07.10 | Kirkburn | Just wondering how anyone can afford it |
| 20:07.18 | Beladona | bah |
| 20:07.34 | Beladona | I am not rich, but I am not hurting for money |
| 20:07.36 | cogwheel|work | I'll probably get one when it has a Gran Turismo... |
| 20:07.54 | Gryphen | expensive game |
| 20:08.03 | Beladona | besides, I they have a promo at the eb near me that I turn in my ps2 and get the ps3 for cheaper |
| 20:08.15 | wereHamster | Beladona, like Little Big Planet :P |
| 20:08.47 | Calliee | I bought a Wii (stood in line for it at midningt 3 months after initial release) because I had played it at a friends house and had a blast |
| 20:09.01 | Kirkburn | Okay, if the PS3 was cheaper I would buy it SOLELY for LBP |
| 20:09.13 | Beladona | yeah, Little Big Planet looks amazing |
| 20:09.15 | Calliee | lol |
| 20:09.22 | Kirkburn | Even better, it's British. |
| 20:09.29 | Kirkburn | I'm such a patriot :P |
| 20:09.40 | Beladona | and I play every FF game that is ever made |
| 20:09.47 | Kirkburn | Eww, FF |
| 20:09.49 | Beladona | so when the next one comes out on the ps3 |
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| 20:10.47 | Beladona | its annoying |
| 20:10.57 | Calliee | I have friends at work that have one, so I can play the games there, it's not worth owning it |
| 20:10.59 | Beladona | because I want both a ps3, and an xbox360 |
| 20:11.07 | Beladona | but can't justify getting both in my mind |
| 20:11.19 | Calliee | I own a PS2 and a Wii |
| 20:11.43 | Beladona | I would get a wii for zelda, but tahts it |
| 20:11.44 | Kirkburn | Then get a Wii, Bela ;) |
| 20:11.53 | Beladona | and I can get that on the gamecube, so meh |
| 20:12.08 | Kirkburn | Darn |
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| 20:12.25 | cogwheel|work | http://tbcraiding.ytmnd.com/ |
| 20:12.26 | Kirkburn | Super Paper Mario, c'mon |
| 20:12.28 | Calliee | Wii sports is *alot* of fun, and I've never gotten into sports games at all |
| 20:12.47 | Beladona | maybe I should just get all 3, and then hide for a month till my wife gets over being mad at me for buying 3 consoles |
| 20:12.53 | Beladona | =D |
| 20:12.59 | JoshBorke | finally found one of my screenshots: http://joshborke.is-a-geek.com/albums/Unsorted-Pictures/WoWScrnShot_021907_161408.jpg |
| 20:13.30 | cogwheel|work | eeew... no FSAA? |
| 20:13.31 | cogwheel|work | :P |
| 20:13.34 | Calliee | it's, again, the controls, you actually have to do more than mash buttons, and every little movement can effect the game |
| 20:13.50 | JoshBorke | cogwheel|work: erm, i blame jpg |
| 20:14.06 | cogwheel|work | http://ctscreens.net/5830 |
| 20:14.08 | Beladona | fsaa, and anisotropy ftw |
| 20:14.32 | Kirkburn | Aaaaah, the aliasing, the aliasing! |
| 20:16.42 | Kirkburn | cogwheel|work, god I hate you |
| 20:16.43 | Beladona | sometimes I wonder what wow would look like with an "upgraded" engine |
| 20:16.43 | cogwheel|work | So, I frapsed a video of the dark portal and used it as my desktop background... it gave me motion sickness :( |
| 20:16.43 | TC_Working | i want to see wow on the cry2 engine |
| 20:16.43 | TC_Working | :) |
| 20:16.43 | Beladona | although that would kill some of teh catoonism people like it for |
| 20:16.43 | JoshBorke | cogwheel|work: lol |
| 20:16.43 | Kirkburn | cogwheel|work, nice |
| 20:16.43 | JoshBorke | i need a new computer |
| 20:16.43 | JoshBorke | :-/ |
| 20:16.43 | Kirov | cogwheel|work - lol, what tv show was that? |
| 20:16.43 | Kirov | All I remember was the annoying host and the big guy named "Tiny" |
| 20:16.43 | Beladona | Oblivion is still one of the best looking games I have ever played |
| 20:16.43 | Beladona | on the pc |
| 20:16.44 | Kirkburn | cogwheel|work, fraps a town scene from a fixed point, try and loop it when the area empties |
| 20:16.44 | Calliee | agreed on Oblivion that game is damned impressive |
| 20:16.45 | Beladona | with all settings enabled that game is just sick |
| 20:16.45 | Beladona | and those addons that increased nature realism and stuff |
| 20:16.45 | cogwheel|work | Kirov: ?? |
| 20:17.10 | Kirov | cogwheel|work - http://tbcraiding.ytmnd.com/ |
| 20:17.10 | Calliee | yup got those too |
| 20:17.10 | Kirkburn | cogwheel|work, or you could try a 'sped up' day? That possible with fraps? |
| 20:17.10 | Kirov | cogwheel|work - the audio is from an old Nickelodeon kids game show |
| 20:17.14 | cogwheel|work | Kirov: oh... i don't have sound on :( |
| 20:17.19 | Kirov | oh |
| 20:17.22 | cogwheel|work | Guts? |
| 20:17.27 | Beladona | http://www.pcplayer.de/bilder/aktuell/spieletests/oblivion/oblivion1.jpg |
| 20:17.41 | Calliee | I love how you really can identify trees just by their bark if you know what you're looking for |
| 20:17.43 | cogwheel|work | ohhh!!! it was in some other ytmnd a while back... i know what you're talking about |
| 20:17.48 | Kirkburn | zomg, is that a photo Bela?!?!?! |
| 20:17.56 | Beladona | uhh |
| 20:18.12 | Calliee | no |
| 20:18.13 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 20:18.20 | Calliee | that is a screenshot of Oblivion |
| 20:18.28 | TC_Working | flowers are all 2d though :( |
| 20:18.31 | TC_Working | in a X shape |
| 20:18.32 | Shadowed | Yeah was about to say |
| 20:18.34 | Calliee | yeah :/ |
| 20:18.43 | Beladona | with hdr enabled |
| 20:18.50 | Beladona | it looks pretty close to photorealism |
| 20:19.02 | Beladona | well, the environment |
| 20:19.04 | Beladona | the people don't |
| 20:19.05 | Kirov | http://www.nick.com/all_nick/gas/watch/show_info/shows_legends.jhtml |
| 20:19.09 | TC_Working | i can max out oblivion at 1680X..w/e it is and can pull more than 80 fps but it still lacks something |
| 20:19.14 | Calliee | especially the vista views, where you're looking out over the world |
| 20:19.19 | Kirkburn | Now we wait for Crysis |
| 20:19.27 | cogwheel|work | Kirov: yeah that one |
| 20:19.40 | Kirov | cogwheel|work - the Guts show was had an even more annoying host |
| 20:19.42 | TC_Working | it pisses me of that i cant enable HDR and FSAA |
| 20:19.51 | Gryphen | that why i dont like realistic environments, they are the only thing in the game that has that quality |
| 20:20.01 | Gryphen | at least in wow everything looks the same |
| 20:20.20 | Kirkburn | Oh, I see what you're saying |
| 20:20.20 | Gryphen | dont look like cartoon cutouts walking around a photo |
| 20:20.27 | Kirkburn | If one thing is lower quality, it ruins the whole effect |
| 20:20.34 | Calliee | I was playing Oblivion at work one night and one of my co-workers came in to watch, He had been playing the X-Box version on a regular TV |
| 20:21.12 | Kirkburn | There's also the important phenomenon of Uncanny Valley |
| 20:21.12 | Kirkburn | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncanny_Valley |
| 20:21.12 | cogwheel|work | They ran into that with shrek |
| 20:21.12 | Beladona | http://www.cet.com/~maniac/oblivion/hdr_4xaa_16xhqaf.jpg |
| 20:21.17 | Calliee | He saw the game on my laptop (almost all graphics settings maxxed out, but man does it run hot) and that day, went and rented a HDTV |
| 20:21.28 | cogwheel|work | princess fiona looked too real so they had to cut back a bit |
| 20:21.47 | Kirkburn | Ooh, didn't know that |
| 20:22.44 | Beladona | I might install Oblivion again soon. I was gonna pick up and try that expansion |
| 20:23.07 | Beladona | that and I have a new system, so it will probably run even faster than it did before |
| 20:23.14 | Calliee | hehe :) |
| 20:23.19 | Beladona | anyways, heading home. bbl |
| 20:23.33 | TC_Working | laters Beladona |
| 20:25.06 | Kirkburn | I bought Oblivion, but it never arrived |
| 20:25.27 | TC_Working | thats a bad thing |
| 20:25.29 | Kirkburn | My package arrived open and missing two things :/ |
| 20:25.44 | zenzelezz | O_o |
| 20:26.12 | Kirkburn | Since I was in italy at the time, and it was an international delivery, I just couldn't be bothered with sorting it out |
| 20:26.24 | Kirkburn | <-- useless fool |
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| 20:32.08 | TC_Working | Cairenn, WB |
| 20:32.35 | Cairenn | danke |
| 20:32.50 | TC_Working | you know, you used to never leave |
| 20:33.10 | Kirkburn | Perhaps she's trying rehab? |
| 20:33.17 | Cairenn | lol |
| 20:33.25 | TC_Working | that would mean that wowi-lounge is bad |
| 20:33.35 | TC_Working | ~bad Kirkburn |
| 20:33.37 | purl | Bad Kirkburn, bad! No cookie for you! |
| 20:33.44 | Kirkburn | We're like vicodin! |
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| 20:34.08 | Kirkburn | Aww, can I eat my M&Ms at least? |
| 20:34.28 | Kirkburn | I had to resist really hard earlier not to buy myself cookies at the supermarket |
| 20:34.48 | TC_Working | hmm...MnM's and vicodin |
| 20:35.00 | TC_Working | the snack of...well.....nvm |
| 20:35.02 | zenzelezz | resist not buying? So you bought? |
| 20:35.05 | Kirkburn | It's not healthy to eat an entire 250g pack of M&Ms in a day is it?# |
| 20:35.36 | zenzelezz | 250 gold is a bit much for a pack of M&M ;-o |
| 20:35.42 | Kirkburn | zenzelezz, damn you and your flawless grasp of the intricacies of the language of the english countrymen! |
| 20:35.53 | Kirkburn | It was worth the grind. |
| 20:35.57 | zenzelezz | hehe |
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| 21:07.26 | JoshBorke | purl, hug Cairenn |
| 21:07.28 | purl | ACTION hugs Cairenn tightly until Cairenn turns slightly blue |
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| 21:36.32 | Hallu2 | btw! http://hallucinosis.com/wow/Magtheridon.png |
| 21:36.37 | Hallu2 | last night |
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| 21:42.30 | zenzelezz | Hallu2: grats |
| 21:42.47 | TC_Working | indeed |
| 21:42.48 | Hallu2 | thanks |
| 21:44.20 | TC_Working | did you get any of the loot? |
| 21:45.26 | Hallu2 | no |
| 21:45.59 | Hallu2 | heal staff, paladin belt I think... and a shaman chest |
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| 21:59.37 | sysrage | anybody know the name of the mod that let's people whisper you !ench to see your enchants? |
| 22:00.34 | nevcairiel | EnchantList |
| 22:00.36 | nevcairiel | iirc |
| 22:00.39 | sysrage | ty |
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| 22:23.25 | Industrial | if a() returns a table can I do a()[1]:b() ? |
| 22:23.47 | kergoth | why wouldnt you be able to? |
| 22:23.54 | kergoth | you can index any table, where it came from doesnt matter |
| 22:24.16 | Industrial | I dont know syntax issue? ^^ |
| 22:24.31 | Industrial | s/know/know,/ |
| 22:24.56 | kergoth | the only syntax issue with something like kthat is you cant directly index an inline table or a string or that sort of thing without parens |
| 22:25.07 | kergoth | {1,2,3}[1] is invalid, ({1,2,3})[1] is |
| 22:25.09 | Cide | Industrial: |
| 22:25.15 | kergoth | other than that, doesnt matter |
| 22:26.12 | Cide | >>> function a() return { [1] = { function b(self) print(tostring(self)) end } } end a()[1]:b() |
| 22:26.12 | Cide | Cide: [string "function a() return { [1] = { function b(self) print(tostring(s..."]:1: '(' expected near 'b' |
| 22:26.21 | Industrial | ah forgot about Cide :D |
| 22:26.40 | Cide | >>> function a() return { [1] = { ["b"] = function(self) print(tostring(self)) end } } end a()[1]:b() |
| 22:26.40 | Cide | Cide: "table: 001CB7E0" |
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| 22:36.55 | Calmcacil | http://hallucinosis.com/wow/Magtheridon.png <--- whats the name of that chat addon |
| 22:38.41 | Industrial | could be any |
| 22:39.06 | Calmcacil | true :p |
| 22:39.12 | Calmcacil | i just know mine doesnt look that way >: |
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| 22:40.28 | kneeki|atwork | Hey all |
| 22:40.43 | TC_Working | hey kneeki|atwork |
| 22:40.47 | Calmcacil | andi want mine to look that way |
| 22:40.56 | Calmcacil | with the [me] stuff and such i mean |
| 22:40.59 | Industrial | search for "timestamp" ? |
| 22:41.03 | Industrial | oh |
| 22:41.10 | TC_Working | oh, thats a combat log |
| 22:41.11 | TC_Working | not a chat log |
| 22:41.19 | Calmcacil | same thing :P almsot |
| 22:41.23 | TC_Working | not quite |
| 22:41.37 | TC_Working | because both me and Industrial thought you were talking about the other stuff |
| 22:42.09 | Calmcacil | heh... my bad |
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| 22:42.58 | Calmcacil | the font also looks diffrent tho |
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| 22:44.45 | TC_Working | it's been so long since i used that mod i cant find it again |
| 22:47.01 | TC_Working | the font may be part of clearfont |
| 22:48.33 | Calmcacil | how do you change fonts with clearfont ? |
| 22:48.37 | Calmcacil | is there any ingame config for it? |
| 22:48.49 | TC_Working | there are lots of instructions on how to use it |
| 22:49.04 | amro | there are instructions on the website |
| 22:49.14 | TC_Working | and within the mod package |
| 22:50.17 | Calmcacil | whats the website for clearfont? i just got it from someone on msn |
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| 22:50.44 | amro | I hear someone at google knows. :P |
| 22:50.47 | Gryphen | google |
| 22:50.48 | nevcairiel | clearfont.co.uk |
| 22:50.48 | Gryphen | :p |
| 22:50.49 | nevcairiel | imho |
| 22:50.51 | cogwheel|work | srsly |
| 22:51.07 | Bleeter | yar |
| 22:51.20 | cogwheel|work | double whammy: RTFM & L2Google |
| 22:51.22 | Kirkburn | Come on, you can't expect someone to google for it now? |
| 22:51.30 | amro | lol cogwheel|work |
| 22:51.32 | TC_Working | heh |
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| 22:56.26 | pastamancer | one day I will create a search engine that connects to irc servers and asks questions and then returns the results on a web page |
| 22:56.56 | Gryphen | www.12G4o7o12g3l4e.com |
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| 22:57.40 | TC_Working | hehe...thats not a bad idea |
| 23:00.05 | Bleeter | eg: "bot: google 'foo bar' 3" -> tell the bot to return result 3 |
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| 23:08.00 | MentalPower|ZZzz | sure purl doesn't do it? |
| 23:08.04 | MentalPower|ZZzz | ~google WoW |
| 23:08.25 | MentalPower | guess not |
| 23:10.25 | Calmcacil | eggdrop has this functionability |
| 23:10.32 | Calmcacil | (with use of tcl script) |
| 23:23.44 | Kirkburn | Blizzard Entertainment has an immediate opening for a Web Designer. The ideal candidate is well versed in HTML, JavaScript, and Photoshop and experienced in all manner of web-design elements, such as the design and layout of buttons, links, menus, and text. |
| 23:24.09 | Kirkburn | Someone feel like improving their websites? :P |
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| 23:25.43 | Garoun|Loupana | so anyone that works over oncurse possibly, do they actually review files before letting them go active? |
| 23:27.09 | nevcairiel | from my experience, they dont. just upload a file, logout, and you can instantly download it |
| 23:27.16 | Cairenn | not last I heard, which is why they were ending up with trojans in mods on the site, but they may have changed it |
| 23:27.52 | Garoun|Loupana | yeah, someone had posted on a guild forum about the trojan file, went and checked the site... yep itwas there |
| 23:27.59 | Garoun|Loupana | looks like it finally got removed |
| 23:28.16 | Shirik|Naptime | Garoun|Loupana: In my experience, no. My addons that I uploaded there were available in less than 5 seconds. |
| 23:28.20 | Garoun|Loupana | I tried to use the link on the profile page of the person to report them and they blew up :P |
| 23:28.43 | Cairenn | ? |
| 23:28.54 | Garoun|Loupana | if you go to the curse profile page of a user |
| 23:29.13 | Garoun|Loupana | there is a link to Report them, I tried to use it earlier today and got the 'this doesn't exist' error :) |
| 23:29.30 | Garoun|Loupana | so I just reported each of the mods |
| 23:30.07 | Garoun|Loupana | I could see letting mods get posted instantly, but anything that is an exe or contains an exe should never get a free pass to beposted, but I'm bitching to the choir :P |
| 23:30.21 | Cairenn | we had someone try to upload a keylogger to WoWI the other day - we just laughed, deleted it and banned the user |
| 23:31.02 | Cairenn | (laughed at them thinking it would get past us) |
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| 23:31.14 | Garoun|Loupana | usually I just ignore it, but lately I've gotten less 'oblivious' to crap like that |
| 23:31.38 | Garoun|Loupana | considering that is the stuff that causes people to get the wrong idea about mods |
| 23:32.00 | Shirik | This is one thing I like about wowi :) |
| 23:32.12 | Garoun|Loupana | <3 wowi :P |
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| 23:33.41 | Garoun|Loupana | of course it sparked off the 'must post addon rememberance post': http://dropbearsguild.garoun.net/forum/index.php?topic=143.0 |
| 23:34.02 | Garoun|Loupana | there are guild members that are deftly against mods due to all the scares :P |
| 23:40.57 | Garoun|Loupana | hmm, curious what my g/f is making for dinner.. |
| 23:42.14 | Industrial | mmm :-) |
| 23:42.14 | Garoun|Loupana | shelinked a French Ham Cheese and Egg Fondue casserole to me this morning |
| 23:42.15 | Garoun|Loupana | http://allrecipes.com/recipe/french-ham-cheese-and-egg-fondue-casserole/Detail.aspx?ARBMID=1010&ARFMTID=1 |
| 23:44.28 | Garoun|Loupana | turns out she's makingsome Penne dish :P ick to spinach in it but oh well :) |
| 23:46.48 | Kirkburn | Heh, funny sports photos - http://sport-people.blogspot.com/2007/04/funny-sport.html |
| 23:53.37 | Calmcacil | hmm.. |
| 23:53.44 | Bleeter | Garoun|Loupana: every now and then, a user will turn up in #norganna saying that our .exe is infected with some trojan or keylogger |
| 23:53.58 | Calmcacil | anyone got suggestions for how to make my UI look a lil smoother |
| 23:54.21 | Bleeter | no matter how much we tell them that the exe is built from the publically viewable source, using msys on linux, and never goes anywhere near a win32 so it could get infected and so it's probably a false positive.. they don't get it |
| 23:54.33 | Bleeter | same thing happens for wingaim every now and then |
| 23:55.01 | Bleeter | i'm always 'well, you gotta problem with prebuilt .exe's? grab the code, review it yourself, build it yourself' |
| 23:55.44 | Bleeter | but it's hard to put that point across when it's all 'ZOMGUGUYZ TROJAN IN YER EXE YOU LOSE!11!!' |
| 23:55.50 | Garoun|Loupana | hehe :) |
| 23:56.32 | Garoun|Loupana | you can lead the horse to water and shove his head in but you cna't force it to drink;) |
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