| 00:01.32 | AnduinLothar | i'm not sur ehow i feel about that |
| 00:01.49 | JoshBorke | how do you feel about the illumination changes? |
| 00:01.55 | AnduinLothar | they mak eme angry |
| 00:02.07 | leethal | any of you 375 swordsmith on a ptr? =P |
| 00:02.11 | AnduinLothar | and more likely to dps or tank |
| 00:02.14 | leethal | apparently mats costs increased |
| 00:02.32 | JoshBorke | heh, yea |
| 00:02.57 | AnduinLothar | but i guess the sanctity does make having a ret pally mroe appealign for grps |
| 00:03.05 | AnduinLothar | which is good |
| 00:03.58 | AnduinLothar | but i rly dont liek that they nurfed a core pally mechanic |
| 00:04.09 | AnduinLothar | that's been around since almost the beginning |
| 00:04.24 | JoshBorke | yea |
| 00:04.26 | AnduinLothar | now there's no reason to gear into crit |
| 00:04.47 | AnduinLothar | they just adapted the spec to the gear instead of makign more plate spell crit |
| 00:05.00 | AnduinLothar | which is the oppositte of what we wanted |
| 00:06.07 | foxlit | But, honestly, paladin mana usage was a bit of a joke |
| 00:06.29 | leethal | lol norton antivirus thought the ptr downloader was a worm |
| 00:06.43 | nevcairiel | yay for norton |
| 00:06.52 | leethal | I'm open for suggestions |
| 00:06.58 | Shirik | don't use any |
| 00:07.01 | AnduinLothar | i dont mind that they nurfed Spiritual Attunement i guess |
| 00:07.15 | AnduinLothar | that just makes it more a tank thing |
| 00:07.19 | JoshBorke | i think the changes added up to too much |
| 00:07.20 | leethal | Shirik: can't get WoW to run in linux on my ati card, not an option =P |
| 00:07.22 | AnduinLothar | and we haven't had it very long |
| 00:07.30 | Shirik | I run Windows with no AV |
| 00:07.33 | Shirik | no firewall |
| 00:07.45 | leethal | I don't have a firewall either |
| 00:07.45 | AnduinLothar | but ya, the combination of removing a healign buff and nurfing another... |
| 00:08.00 | Shirik | If you trust yourself enough to know what you're doing |
| 00:08.03 | leethal | but I do download certain unlicensed software from naughty sites |
| 00:08.05 | Shirik | you shouldn't have to worry about an antivirus |
| 00:08.06 | AnduinLothar | AND nurfing mana regen from heals |
| 00:08.12 | Shirik | ok then you only have yourself to blame :P |
| 00:08.53 | AnduinLothar | w/e i guess it just means i wont be required to heal as much, which means mroe freedom of choice, which is fine by me |
| 00:09.13 | AnduinLothar | and if they want me to heal i can whine and use my nurf as an excuse to dps |
| 00:10.37 | foxlit | druids get lifebloom buffed, and priests get their hopeless abilities fixed. |
| 00:10.59 | AnduinLothar | Hammer of Wrath got buffed, yay |
| 00:11.24 | AnduinLothar | 672-742 |
| 00:12.13 | AnduinLothar | now they just need to buff the healing on Holy Shock, so that's it's actually useful as an instant cast heal |
| 00:13.00 | foxlit | Thought having little useful "oh shit someone is going to die" abilities on a paladin was a design choice |
| 00:13.46 | AnduinLothar | not like they post their design ideas, your guess is as good as mine |
| 00:14.07 | foxlit | Pretty much all instant heals are on cooldowns :( |
| 00:14.21 | AnduinLothar | right, HS is just 15s |
| 00:14.32 | AnduinLothar | but it heals half as much as Flash |
| 00:14.52 | AnduinLothar | should just heal as much as flash imo |
| 00:15.01 | AnduinLothar | then you jsut use it every time it's up |
| 00:15.09 | AnduinLothar | like you do when dpsing |
| 00:15.32 | AnduinLothar | it already costs more mana |
| 00:15.52 | AnduinLothar | w/e |
| 00:15.56 | AnduinLothar | jsut a thought |
| 00:16.12 | foxlit | Sounds fair, tbh |
| 00:16.36 | foxlit | It's never going to happen :P |
| 00:16.55 | AnduinLothar | you're right |
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| 00:31.52 | cladhaire | how's the PVP in terrokar work? |
| 00:33.11 | foxlit | 6 proximity triggers |
| 00:33.22 | foxlit | Control all 6 every 6 hours = get a buff |
| 00:33.37 | cladhaire | there 19 minutes left on the current 6 hourts |
| 00:33.39 | cladhaire | what do i need to do |
| 00:33.41 | cladhaire | to ensure we get it? |
| 00:33.45 | foxlit | While your side has the buff, you can loot spirit shards off bosses in auch |
| 00:33.53 | foxlit | Wait the 19 minutes, then go to the Bone Wastes |
| 00:34.07 | foxlit | There are 6 tower-like things, you need to get horde control on all of them at the same time |
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| 00:34.30 | JoshBorke | it's not hard |
| 00:34.30 | cladhaire | hehe i'm alliance today |
| 00:34.31 | JoshBorke | depending on the competition |
| 00:34.33 | cladhaire | well our server is like 10:1 in practice |
| 00:34.34 | cladhaire | so no, should be easy |
| 00:34.39 | foxlit | It's very easy for a small but determined force to prevent a capture |
| 00:34.53 | cladhaire | where are the triggers, or will they show on pvp map? |
| 00:35.05 | JoshBorke | they should show on the map |
| 00:35.06 | foxlit | I think they should show |
| 00:35.08 | JoshBorke | but tehy are small towers |
| 00:35.20 | AnduinLothar | looks liek the new Vengence is diff from the notes |
| 00:35.54 | foxlit | Draw a circle sharing the center of bone wastes but with about 3/4 of the radius |
| 00:35.55 | AnduinLothar | 10% dmg increase, stacks 3 times |
| 00:36.34 | foxlit | The towers like on this circle, approximatley uniformly distributed, except south of Auch, if memory serves |
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| 00:37.36 | cladhaire | how long does it take to "Cap" once you have all sixz? |
| 00:37.51 | foxlit | Instant |
| 00:39.41 | leethal | 5% damage rocks for heroics |
| 00:50.04 | AnduinLothar | mmm, time to see how much mem blizz thinks my addons make |
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| 01:00.11 | foxlit | 2.1.0 is going to be interesting |
| 01:00.55 | foxlit | zomg-addon-performance mentality spawned by "memory-efficient" addons is going to get people wanting less of everything |
| 01:04.04 | AnduinLothar | and give libraries a worse reputation |
| 01:04.11 | AnduinLothar | again.. |
| 01:05.02 | leethal | how do I figure out what Crusader is called in spanish/french/foo? |
| 01:05.27 | foxlit | You... don't? |
| 01:05.31 | foxlit | What do you have to play with? |
| 01:05.53 | Guillotine | does anyone see anything wrong with this regex? "c(%x+)\40(.*)\41". Supposed to capture the hex digits after c as well as everything in the parenthesis. but its not caring at all about the parenthesis |
| 01:06.04 | leethal | foxlit: it's for my http://wowinterface.com/downloads/info7077-EnchantWoot-O-Matic.html |
| 01:06.06 | leethal | foxlit: localizing |
| 01:06.32 | foxlit | So you can probably get reagents? |
| 01:06.38 | foxlit | And identify enchants based on those? |
| 01:07.01 | leethal | well, the way I'm doing it now is that I iterate over each line in the tooltip, if the item has an enchant |
| 01:07.10 | leethal | if a line contains "Crusader", I add the description |
| 01:07.24 | foxlit | Ah, well, you're screwed. |
| 01:07.33 | foxlit | Or maybe not. |
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| 01:07.40 | foxlit | I was going to say you need localizations for every language |
| 01:07.41 | leethal | I have spanish/french/german locale installed |
| 01:07.52 | foxlit | But you might be able to pull enchant id from item link |
| 01:08.00 | leethal | ah, of course |
| 01:08.14 | leethal | but I still need to figure out on which line of the tooltip the enchant is, though |
| 01:09.28 | leethal | I also need to figure out the enchantids of the new tbc enchants, they're not in the wiki =/ |
| 01:09.44 | foxlit | Add them to the wiki when you do :) |
| 01:09.53 | leethal | mpq haxx time |
| 01:09.58 | foxlit | wiki api pages lag behind 2.0 |
| 01:10.29 | leethal | wtb worldofwarcraft.com/api |
| 01:10.59 | foxlit | They do already, sort of |
| 01:11.04 | Garoun | god I HATE MAIDEN |
| 01:11.24 | leethal | Garoun: spent 3-4 raids on her, she's a bitch |
| 01:11.31 | Garoun | she holy fired me off the start |
| 01:11.48 | zenzelezz | she can be a bit unforgiving |
| 01:11.54 | Garoun | then repent and immediately HF'dme |
| 01:12.13 | Garoun | so I was dead in the first 30sec |
| 01:12.16 | foxlit | decursive makes that encounter a joke :P |
| 01:12.34 | foxlit | You have to get pretty unlucky to get HF and repetance close, though |
| 01:12.34 | gnorlish | grounding totem works too |
| 01:12.41 | Garoun | not if she triple hits oneperson |
| 01:12.55 | foxlit | She doesn't spam it that much for us |
| 01:13.11 | Garoun | I was dropping a heal on myself right as you fired off repent which canceled that and one shot me with holy fire |
| 01:13.49 | Neuro_Medivh | Garoun, I hate the Shade of Aran |
| 01:14.27 | zenzelezz | I second that |
| 01:14.34 | leethal | we're stuck at him now |
| 01:14.34 | Neuro_Medivh | and for maiden, you obviously need more Shaman power =) |
| 01:14.34 | Garoun | we're about to say screw maiden for the night and move to opera |
| 01:14.47 | Garoun | but opera isn't much better |
| 01:14.49 | Neuro_Medivh | Opera rocks... I love the Big Bad Wolf |
| 01:14.54 | Garoun | I stealth checked our pull |
| 01:14.58 | Garoun | we got R&J |
| 01:14.59 | Garoun | sigh |
| 01:15.04 | leethal | and of course the Free Epic event |
| 01:15.04 | zenzelezz | group two in my guild has had wolf event 10 weeks in a row |
| 01:15.09 | zenzelezz | they're starting to not like it |
| 01:15.13 | leethal | some sites call that the chess event, no idea why |
| 01:15.59 | Neuro_Medivh | the worst part about Shade is the super long run back, combined with having to clear alllll that shit every few attempts |
| 01:16.33 | foxlit | Get on average 6 attempts before trash respawns on a bad day |
| 01:17.21 | Neuro_Medivh | well, we have to do a post-mortem each time |
| 01:17.25 | zenzelezz | we had a lot of trouble with Aran before we people realized they weren't exempt from "don't move during Flame Wreath" |
| 01:17.26 | Neuro_Medivh | since we've never beaten it |
| 01:17.48 | zenzelezz | oops, spurious "we" in there |
| 01:18.22 | leethal | zenzelezz: do fancy s/foo/bar/ stuff =) |
| 01:18.23 | zenzelezz | after that, the adds were/are the main problem for us |
| 01:18.29 | leethal | this is simply a typo that will purl fix |
| 01:18.37 | leethal | s/that will purl/that purl will/ |
| 01:18.42 | Neuro_Medivh | yeah, right now, we're fine till the elementals spawn, then it all goes to shit |
| 01:18.48 | leethal | ~botsnack |
| 01:18.48 | purl | thanks, leethal |
| 01:18.49 | zenzelezz | if I want to correct my grammar I'll do it manually, but thanks ;-p |
| 01:19.12 | zenzelezz | Neuro_Medivh: how is his mana come elementals? |
| 01:19.35 | Garoun | I HATE HER |
| 01:20.00 | Garoun | we're getting all sorts of random aggro crap from her |
| 01:20.01 | zenzelezz | my Kara group (not sure about the other one) tend to let him run out of mana at about 42-43% if he's low |
| 01:20.14 | foxlit | Bring warlocks. |
| 01:20.17 | foxlit | Lots of warlocks! |
| 01:20.35 | foxlit | We tend to kill him before oom, but CC on pets seriously helps |
| 01:20.52 | foxlit | banish / fear, and tell your druids they can actually cast cyclone. |
| 01:21.04 | zenzelezz | the reason we let him regen is because adds during sheep pwned us a lot |
| 01:21.30 | zenzelezz | if interrupting is going well and he's high on mana then we sod the regen |
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| 01:23.19 | buelldm | hey |
| 01:25.08 | Garoun | that time our tank went in, everyone else stood still, maiden ran right past the tank and straight at our healer |
| 01:25.15 | Garoun | wtf is up with her, sigh |
| 01:28.39 | leethal | noob healer? |
| 01:28.40 | leethal | =P |
| 01:30.15 | Neuro_Medivh | zenz, that's what we do |
| 01:30.23 | Neuro_Medivh | but every time the elementals spawn, we get owned |
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| 01:34.50 | foxlit | Neuro_Medivh: warlocks with a clue, priests and druids can keep the adds occupied for 60s |
| 01:34.59 | leethal | which mpq could contain locale strings for enchants? |
| 01:35.02 | foxlit | You basically just need to live long enough |
| 01:35.03 | leethal | all I see is .blp files =/ |
| 01:35.30 | foxlit | And they'll despawn automatically |
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| 01:39.50 | Neuro_Medivh | druids? Cyclone? |
| 01:40.38 | foxlit | Yes, works on adds |
| 01:40.40 | Garoun | no, I meant the maiden went straight at the healer |
| 01:41.00 | foxlit | DR and all gives you around 12 seconds |
| 01:41.01 | Garoun | no one did anything at the start besides mt hitting her |
| 01:41.38 | leethal | so, now I know that Crusader is Kreuzfahrer in german, by changing to deDE locale and checking my good old level 60 weapon |
| 01:41.46 | leethal | is there really no other ways to figure this out? |
| 01:42.21 | foxlit | Sure there is |
| 01:42.29 | foxlit | Found out how to pull enchant id from item string yet? |
| 01:42.43 | leethal | yep |
| 01:42.46 | Teomyr | tooltip scanning? |
| 01:42.51 | foxlit | Now find a level 1 weapon |
| 01:42.58 | foxlit | Something gray, with nothing on it |
| 01:43.08 | foxlit | And mix that enchant id into its item link |
| 01:43.27 | foxlit | Scan the resulting tooltip -- the name of the enchant is in the only green line of that :) |
| 01:43.27 | leethal | grr |
| 01:43.37 | buelldm | you guys suck a lot of dick |
| 01:43.42 | buelldm | you do realize that dont you |
| 01:43.42 | leethal | no way to find this in the mpqs? |
| 01:43.53 | foxlit | In fact, you can even know which line it's on |
| 01:43.54 | leethal | buelldm: actually I've never done that |
| 01:43.55 | buelldm | you can fuck yourselcs |
| 01:44.06 | buelldm | i bet you have you gay faggots |
| 01:44.16 | leethal | foxlit: yeah, I can just look on the tooltip too, to see what it's called |
| 01:44.20 | *** kick/#wowi-lounge [buelldm!n=jnwhiteh@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Dongle/cladhaire] by cladhaire (Watch the language, and don't be a dick) |
| 01:44.23 | leethal | kinda tideous though, but I guess that's the only way |
| 01:44.31 | Adys|AndMuchMore | just ban him clad |
| 01:44.40 | Adys|AndMuchMore | hes been doing that in the #wowwiki chan |
| 01:44.40 | foxlit | leethal: better than building a list from MPQs |
| 01:44.41 | DuTempete | Aye, this would be his 4th ban... |
| 01:44.41 | cladhaire | not without more. |
| 01:45.06 | *** join/#wowi-lounge buelldm (n=buelldm@blk-224-239-91.eastlink.ca) |
| 01:45.10 | buelldm | im sorry guys |
| 01:45.13 | leethal | foxlit: I still have one minor issue here - don't know the enchant id of the tbc enchants |
| 01:45.15 | Kirkburn | Isn't a gay f***** ... a full 360? |
| 01:45.32 | cladhaire | buelldm: You will earn a swift kickban, if you don't shape up, plain and simple |
| 01:46.20 | Kirkburn | buelldm, I can tell you that you're not welcome back on #wowwiki though |
| 01:46.22 | buelldm | sorry claddybear |
| 01:46.30 | foxlit | leethal: log in, go to a capital, ask someone to link in trade :) |
| 01:46.31 | buelldm | why is your name kirk burn? |
| 01:46.37 | buelldm | does it burn when you pee? |
| 01:46.49 | buelldm | are you following me |
| 01:46.53 | Kirkburn | Wow, he can use logic! |
| 01:47.00 | buelldm | kirbyburnout |
| 01:47.02 | cladhaire | it kirkburns when i pee. |
| 01:47.02 | MentalPower | buelldm: you've been warned |
| 01:47.05 | ckknight | someone kickban him, please |
| 01:47.08 | buelldm | wow he can use dildo's too!! |
| 01:47.09 | leethal | buelldm: tell me about your hairstyle |
| 01:47.10 | DuTempete | warned? |
| 01:47.11 | buelldm | in your moms ass |
| 01:47.17 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 01:47.20 | leethal | buelldm: is your left ear larger than your right? |
| 01:47.21 | DuTempete | he's been "warned" about 5 times now... |
| 01:47.31 | buelldm | yeah why |
| 01:47.40 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+b *!*@blk-224-239-92.eastlink.ca] by cladhaire |
| 01:47.41 | ckknight | I ran a whois |
| 01:47.45 | ckknight | and he's canadian. |
| 01:47.45 | *** kick/#wowi-lounge [buelldm!n=jnwhiteh@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Dongle/cladhaire] by cladhaire (cladhaire) |
| 01:47.49 | ckknight | can't be trusted. |
| 01:47.59 | sioraiocht | wow, that guy was...special.. |
| 01:47.59 | raevanmorlock | Cairenn is Canadian too |
| 01:48.01 | DuTempete | lol |
| 01:48.08 | MentalPower | ckknight: make sure you run that by Cair, I'm sure she'll be pleased to hear it |
| 01:48.13 | ckknight | raevanmorlock: yea, I was born in Canada too :-P |
| 01:48.46 | raevanmorlock | So that's 3 Canadians in here now? |
| 01:48.52 | sioraiocht | CONSPIRACY |
| 01:48.57 | raevanmorlock | haha |
| 01:48.57 | DuTempete | My best friend is canadian, does that count? |
| 01:49.16 | sioraiocht | DuTempete: yes, guilt by association |
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| 01:49.34 | DuTempete | I'm used to being guilty. |
| 01:49.53 | leethal | foxlit: I want to know how to do this - http://www.wowwiki.com/EnchantId =P I know it's possible to extract it from the MPQs, and I'm lazy in a way that makes me spend 50 hours on saving 30 minutes |
| 01:50.05 | Kirkburn | cladhaire, he may be back under a new IP |
| 01:50.16 | Kirkburn | He's already done it once |
| 01:50.27 | cladhaire | i'm notifying freenode ops. |
| 01:50.43 | sioraiocht | that's okay, clad's speciality in grad school was infosec, I'm sure he can find something creative to annoy him with.. |
| 01:50.56 | JoshBorke | >>> return 'hi' |
| 01:51.05 | ckknight | >>> return "pants" |
| 01:51.17 | ckknight | I guess the Cidebot isn't up |
| 01:51.46 | raevanmorlock | yeah I think I annoyed them earlier adn they shut it off |
| 01:51.56 | sioraiocht | aww |
| 01:52.00 | foxlit | leethal: enumerate in-game? |
| 01:52.37 | foxlit | generate enchant ids on a sample item, see what changes, dump output. |
| 01:53.04 | foxlit | There is no real reason to hack at mpqs, and the legality of doing that is questionable. |
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| 01:55.40 | leethal | foxlit: how would I generate enchant id? Actually, the real question is: what would be the lua code to replace the enchant id with something else? |
| 01:55.52 | leethal | I'm getting the full item link now, an item string |
| 01:56.01 | leethal | this one: http://www.wowwiki.com/ItemString |
| 01:56.18 | leethal | I guess I can alter that string.find code on that page somehow? |
| 01:58.20 | leethal | never mind, I think I figured out how to gsub it |
| 02:00.11 | leethal | a gsub will alter the string object you're gsubing, right? You don't need to go newstring = string.gusb(..)? |
| 02:00.45 | raevanmorlock | Returns a copy of s in which all occurrences of the pattern have been replaced by a replacement string specified by repl, which may be a string, a table, or a function. gsub also returns, as its second value, the total number of substitutions made. |
| 02:01.16 | leethal | ah, so in string.gsub(mystring) - mystring will remain unchanged? |
| 02:01.23 | raevanmorlock | correct |
| 02:01.45 | raevanmorlock | it's string.gsub (s, pattern, repl [, n]) or string:gsub(pattern, repl [, n]) |
| 02:03.37 | leethal | hehe |
| 02:04.22 | leethal | so, string.gsub(itemstring, "item:35:2361:(%d+):", "1900") should return "item:35:2361:1900:...the rest of the string"? |
| 02:04.36 | Cide | it's enabled now |
| 02:04.44 | leethal | doesn't seem to do that, I probably got the pattern worng |
| 02:04.56 | leethal | s/worng/wrong |
| 02:06.35 | leethal | >>> return string.gsub("item:35:2361:0:foo:bar", "item:35:2361:(%d+)', "1900") |
| 02:06.36 | Cide | leethal: [string "return string.gsub("item:35:2361:0:foo:bar", "item:35:2361:(%d+..."]:1: ')' expected near '1900' |
| 02:06.40 | leethal | aw |
| 02:06.49 | leethal | >>> return string.gsub("item:35:2361:0:foo:bar", "item:35:2361:(%d+)", "1900") |
| 02:06.49 | Cide | leethal: "1900:foo:bar", 1 |
| 02:06.59 | leethal | hmm |
| 02:07.43 | leethal | I guess it's easy to set up something on my local box to run lua code for testage? |
| 02:08.26 | raevanmorlock | You can pm Cide instead of doing it in the chat |
| 02:08.44 | leethal | ah thanks |
| 02:10.34 | raevanmorlock | What are you trying to do? Get the third number? |
| 02:11.56 | leethal | well, I have an item link for an item, and I'm trying to replace the enchant id, which is 0, with an enchant id of my own |
| 02:12.00 | leethal | for testing purposes |
| 02:12.22 | leethal | and afaik the item string of this item is "item:35:2361:0:the rest of it..." |
| 02:12.44 | leethal | on second thought, there is some stuff before the "item:" part, perhaps that's what makes it mismatch? |
| 02:13.08 | raevanmorlock | could you test it against just ":0:" if you know it's always 0? |
| 02:13.18 | Cide | >>> string.gsub("item:35:2361:0:foo:bar", "(item:35:2361:)%d+", "%11900") |
| 02:13.18 | Cide | Cide: "item:35:2361:1900:foo:bar", 1 |
| 02:13.19 | leethal | yeah, it's always 0 |
| 02:13.37 | leethal | aha |
| 02:15.15 | leethal | to make sure about the item string itself - is there any way I can inspect it without it being parsed as an item link? |
| 02:15.56 | Cide | could you be a bit more vague? :P |
| 02:15.56 | leethal | tried to raise an assertion, and put it as a message there, but even then it was made into an item link hehe |
| 02:16.10 | raevanmorlock | I know what he means |
| 02:16.17 | leethal | well, the item string is turned into an item link when you display it |
| 02:16.39 | leethal | I was wondering how to look at the item string itself, without it being made into a [Item name] thingie you can click |
| 02:16.53 | raevanmorlock | itemlink:sub(4) -- take out the first few characters should break the parse |
| 02:17.49 | leethal | that gave me ffffffff[Item link] heh |
| 02:18.12 | raevanmorlock | poo |
| 02:20.58 | raevanmorlock | Maybe 4 is just a bad index and another would work... I've never worked with item links before |
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| 02:24.46 | raevanmorlock | leethal: maybe try putting a space after each character: itemlink:gsub("(.)", "%1 ") |
| 02:42.10 | JoshBorke | >>> return "I'm on now" |
| 02:42.11 | Cide | JoshBorke: "I'm on now" |
| 02:42.53 | JoshBorke | >>> t = {"hi", "hello", "world"}; if (next(t)) then print("K") end for k, v in pairs(t) do print(v) end |
| 02:42.53 | Cide | JoshBorke: "\"K\"", "\"hi\"", "\"hello\"", "\"world\"" |
| 02:43.51 | Cide | huh |
| 02:43.52 | Cide | weird |
| 02:44.23 | Cide | guess I have something to fix |
| 02:45.02 | JoshBorke | huh? |
| 02:47.43 | Cide | you printed "K" and the output was "\"K\"" |
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| 02:55.16 | raevanmorlock | >>>K=1; print (K); print ("K"); |
| 02:55.17 | Cide | raevanmorlock: "1", "\"K\"" |
| 02:55.30 | raevanmorlock | >>> print(1) |
| 02:55.31 | Cide | raevanmorlock: "1" |
| 02:55.38 | JoshBorke | >>> return a |
| 02:55.38 | Cide | JoshBorke: nil |
| 02:55.44 | JoshBorke | >>> return 'a' |
| 02:55.44 | Cide | JoshBorke: "a" |
| 02:56.00 | JoshBorke | just require everyone to use ''s instead of "'s |
| 02:57.15 | Tem | oh that's interesting |
| 02:57.19 | Tem | the dismount feature of 2.1 |
| 02:57.28 | cladhaire | yeah |
| 02:57.28 | Tem | the spell suceeds after you are dismounted |
| 02:57.31 | cladhaire | happens on flying mounts =) |
| 02:57.44 | Tem | that's not my problem |
| 02:57.49 | Tem | I don't have a bird to fly on |
| 02:58.38 | JoshBorke | Tem: what do you mean the spell succeeds? |
| 02:59.01 | Tem | Example: I'm riding around on my horsie and hit blink. |
| 02:59.06 | Tem | I dismount and then blink. |
| 02:59.20 | JoshBorke | did you try with a cast time spell? |
| 02:59.29 | Tem | I didn't actually try it |
| 02:59.36 | Tem | I'm just going by what slouken said |
| 02:59.43 | JoshBorke | hm |
| 02:59.51 | Tem | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=94163715&sid=1#10 |
| 03:00.44 | JoshBorke | hm, interesting |
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| 03:07.26 | Tem | Sanity Check: |
| 03:08.15 | JoshBorke | you're not |
| 03:08.52 | Tem | A single Qsort after insertion will (generally) always have fewer object comparisons than sorting while inserting (avg logn comparisons for an insertion) |
| 03:11.32 | Tem | *crickets* |
| 03:12.12 | cladhaire | intuitively, I say yes. |
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| 03:15.29 | leethal | is it possible to do something like this? http://wowi.pastey.net/12451 |
| 03:15.49 | leethal | I guess I'm asking how to insert one table into another |
| 03:15.50 | cladhaire | not within the constructor |
| 03:15.50 | cladhaire | no |
| 03:16.00 | cladhaire | you want to insert all elements of one table into another? |
| 03:16.04 | leethal | ah.. mytable.k = v? |
| 03:16.11 | leethal | yep |
| 03:16.19 | cladhaire | >>> local t = {1,2,3} local u = {} for k,v in pairs(t) do u[k] = v end |
| 03:16.19 | Cide | cladhaire: nil |
| 03:16.36 | cladhaire | >>> local t = {1,2,3} local u = {} for k,v in pairs(t) do u[k] = v end print(unpack(u)) |
| 03:16.37 | Cide | cladhaire: "1", "2", "3" |
| 03:16.56 | Cide | that's interesting |
| 03:17.30 | cladhaire | why? |
| 03:17.38 | Cide | >>> print(1) |
| 03:17.38 | Cide | Cide: "1" |
| 03:17.40 | cladhaire | besides the fact that they shouldn't be quoted |
| 03:17.40 | cladhaire | lol |
| 03:17.44 | Cide | yeah, they're stringified |
| 03:17.52 | cladhaire | i blame Shirik |
| 03:18.56 | Tem | cladhaire, it is possible in the constructor imo |
| 03:19.12 | Cide | >>> print(1) |
| 03:19.12 | Cide | Cide: "1" |
| 03:19.12 | Tem | a = {1,2,3,4,5} b = {unpack(a),6,7,8,9,10} |
| 03:19.21 | Cide | >>> print(1) |
| 03:19.21 | Cide | Cide: 1 |
| 03:19.24 | Cide | >>> print("hi") |
| 03:19.24 | Cide | Cide: "\"hi\"" |
| 03:19.26 | Cide | heh |
| 03:19.26 | cladhaire | Tem: that's not what he was doing |
| 03:19.29 | cladhaire | Tem: he was running a for loop |
| 03:19.35 | cladhaire | look at the pastey before you comment, bitch |
| 03:19.38 | Tem | oh like python or something? |
| 03:19.44 | cladhaire | http://wowi.pastey.net/12451 |
| 03:19.49 | cladhaire | RTFP |
| 03:19.55 | Tem | I cba to click that link |
| 03:20.27 | RogueShadow | *sigh* I need to come up with a good idea. I want to learn to do addon's and such. But it's strange, I don't have any idea's. I use lot's of addon's tho. |
| 03:20.50 | Tem | oh bah |
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| 03:20.55 | Cide | >>> print(1) |
| 03:20.55 | Cide | Cide: 1 |
| 03:20.57 | Cide | >>> print("hi") |
| 03:20.57 | Cide | Cide: "hi" |
| 03:20.57 | Tem | java doesn't have a built in qsort |
| 03:21.03 | Cide | there we go! |
| 03:21.11 | Tem | damnit, I don't feel like implementing qsort |
| 03:21.37 | Cide | RogueShadow: ever programmed something? |
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| 03:22.54 | RogueShadow | A little. |
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| 03:23.14 | RogueShadow | I did tetris in javascript once. With the help of a friend who made something to interpret it in a graphical way. |
| 03:23.17 | RogueShadow | lol |
| 03:23.26 | RogueShadow | I've played a game called graal online |
| 03:23.30 | RogueShadow | that I've scripted a lot for. |
| 03:24.18 | RogueShadow | I'm a dabbler, I have touched many things, learned few. |
| 03:28.35 | leethal | RogueShadow: the best way to make useful programs is to solve your own problems |
| 03:29.28 | RogueShadow | leethal: Sounds good. I'm going to go ahead and throw in. "without finding somebody elses addon" lol |
| 03:29.37 | RogueShadow | Sorry i'm odd. |
| 03:29.45 | RogueShadow | I saw your latest addon, looks cool. |
| 03:30.01 | leethal | =) |
| 03:30.31 | leethal | read this stuff http://gettingreal.37signals.com/toc.php |
| 03:33.47 | RogueShadow | Hehe, I can understand why they would use ruby on rails. With the philosophy they are showing. |
| 03:33.57 | leethal | woot? |
| 03:34.01 | RogueShadow | Yeah. |
| 03:34.03 | RogueShadow | w00t |
| 03:34.14 | leethal | uhm, they _made_ ruby on rails |
| 03:34.22 | RogueShadow | k. |
| 03:34.25 | leethal | what's wrong with ruby on rails? |
| 03:34.42 | RogueShadow | lol, you misunderstand me. I just kinda put them together. I like ruby |
| 03:34.54 | RogueShadow | I have dabbled with it also, like I dabbled with everything else. |
| 03:35.50 | Tem | does java have something like an inline keyword? |
| 03:36.44 | Iriel | Not really, the JVM is, in theory, smart enough to do it automatically |
| 03:37.34 | Tem | I see |
| 03:38.12 | Iriel | It used to be that declaring things final helped, since you'd avoid the potential of an override later, but IBM claim that's no longer necessary |
| 03:50.58 | Tem | meh screw it I'm only going to support E extends Comparable |
| 03:51.02 | JoshBorke | nn |
| 04:08.07 | raevanmorlock | Does WoW not parse item links if we type them manually? |
| 04:08.35 | cladhaire | it escapes any | you type with || |
| 04:08.43 | cladhaire | is probably biting you |
| 04:09.23 | raevanmorlock | ooh... is there a way around that? |
| 04:09.48 | Iriel | To not type them manually, really. |
| 04:10.02 | Iriel | Or type them into lua code as \124 (I think that's the right ASCII code) |
| 04:10.46 | cladhaire | >>> print(string.char("| |
| 04:10.47 | Cide | cladhaire: [string "print(string.char("|"]:1: unfinished string near '<eof>' |
| 04:10.49 | cladhaire | >>> print(string.char("|")) |
| 04:10.50 | Cide | cladhaire: [string "print(string.char("|"))"]:1: bad argument #1 to 'char' (number expected, got string) |
| 04:10.56 | cladhaire | >>> print(string.byte("|")) |
| 04:10.56 | Cide | cladhaire: 124 |
| 04:11.00 | cladhaire | there we go |
| 04:11.02 | cladhaire | *bonk* |
| 04:11.55 | raevanmorlock | heh.. yeah that works. Thanks. |
| 04:16.28 | Tem | Who was it that was saying they "couldn't live without" the windows sidebar? |
| 04:16.34 | Tem | was that someone in here? |
| 04:17.19 | Tem | I'm curious what you have on yours that makes you like it so much |
| 04:18.11 | Iriel | Or tolerate it at all |
| 04:18.25 | Iriel | That's precious horizontal real-estate |
| 04:18.38 | Tem | I haven't been using it, but I definately have the space on my screen |
| 04:19.37 | raevanmorlock | I keep shortcuts in docked toolbars along both sides of my screen |
| 04:27.34 | Tem | <E extends Comparable<? super E>> |
| 04:27.38 | Tem | oops |
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| 05:16.43 | ckknight | Tem: hehe, dealing with Java? |
| 05:16.49 | ckknight | When they nerfed the Ret Paladins, I remained silent. I was not a Ret Paladin. |
| 05:16.49 | ckknight | When they broke Prot Paladins, I did not speak out. I was not a Prot Paladin. |
| 05:16.50 | ckknight | When they nerfed Holy Paladins, there was no one left to speak out for me. |
| 05:17.48 | Nom- | lol ckknight |
| 05:18.05 | Corrodias | i was a little surprised, to be honest, to hear one of our paladins griping about this |
| 05:18.07 | Nom- | Except they never really nerfed ret or prot until 2.1.0 :) |
| 05:18.35 | Corrodias | it appeared to me that he was complaining that 30%+ of his heals would crit and that his crits were free |
| 05:18.45 | Corrodias | i mean, that now they aren't going to be free |
| 05:19.16 | Nom- | Corrodias: To be fair, that's what makes up for us not having shadow fiend |
| 05:23.45 | JunkHead-Work | I got my second Kara Fragment today. |
| 05:24.21 | Iriel | Who's Kara, and why are you stealing her fragments? |
| 05:24.49 | JunkHead-Work | Because one day, I hope to grow a little Kara in a jar using my voodoo majicks. |
| 05:25.15 | Nom- | Kara is hawt |
| 05:25.29 | JunkHead-Work | Hot like the sun. |
| 05:25.39 | JunkHead-Work | A sun that is hotter than 2 suns. |
| 05:25.47 | JunkHead-Work | Kara is hot. |
| 05:35.56 | Neuro_Medivh | Kara is a dirty whore bitch |
| 05:36.20 | Neuro_Medivh | a tease of supreme magnitude |
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| 05:47.22 | Nom- | Anyone here tried playing WoW on a DVORAK keyboard layout ? |
| 05:49.23 | Corrodias | "you could pause a flask by right clicking it" -- what's this person talking about? |
| 05:50.20 | Nom- | wow |
| 05:50.44 | Nom- | dvorak is whacked lol |
| 05:52.22 | Tem | Corrodias, that person is trying to get you to waste a flask |
| 05:53.12 | Corrodias | indeed, the reason i ask is that i know right-clicking the buff or another flask won't acheive such a result |
| 05:53.24 | Corrodias | i wondered if they were poorly describing clicking on something else |
| 05:53.40 | Tem | it's similar to things like "Press Alt+F4 to do ____ " in games where closing the game causes you to lose |
| 05:55.06 | raevanmorlock | What's the reasoning behind the DVORAK layout? It looks completely random. |
| 05:57.53 | Corrodias | perhaps it's about being easier to type on. i dunno. |
| 05:59.05 | Nom- | Yeah, DVORAK was design to make writing in english easier |
| 05:59.26 | Nom- | Whereas QWERTY was designed to stop you from jamming your typewriter |
| 06:00.52 | raevanmorlock | I had never heard of it before, but I'm reading about it now on wikipedia. I can't imagine ever wanting to re-learn how to type though. |
| 06:01.38 | Nom- | Well, the guiness book of records' fastest typist was 218wpm on a DVORAK layout |
| 06:01.50 | Nom- | From what I can see, it's pretty screwy for games though |
| 06:02.04 | Nom- | I wonder if we can get WoW to add DVORAK layout support :P |
| 06:02.28 | Corrodias | are the keys in different positions as well as being assigned to different letters? |
| 06:02.35 | raevanmorlock | Wouldn't you just have to change the keybindings to get it to work the same way? |
| 06:08.12 | Nom- | Windows, Mac and Linux all have the keyboard layout available |
| 06:08.26 | Nom- | raevanmorlock: Pretty much, but that's a tedious exercise to do manually :) |
| 06:09.24 | PProvost | Anyone know if the next patch notes are up somewhere? I heard they were up. |
| 06:09.53 | Nom- | Yeah, they're up |
| 06:09.56 | Nom- | PTR Patch notes |
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| 06:10.12 | PProvost | Got a link Nom- |
| 06:11.12 | Nom- | do now |
| 06:11.20 | Nom- | http://standen.id.au/2.1.0.html |
| 06:17.36 | JunkHead-Work | I saw some more information about the PTR earlier on wow-insider. |
| 06:17.51 | JunkHead-Work | http://www.wowinsider.com/ |
| 06:17.59 | Nom- | As of 2005, Barbara Blackburn is the fastest typist in the world, according to The Guinness Book of World Records. Using a Dvorak Simplified Keyboard, she has maintained 150 words per minute for 50 min, 170 word/min for shorter periods of time, and has been clocked at a peak speed of 212 word/min. |
| 06:18.29 | JunkHead-Work | http://www.mmo-champion.com/ <-- And here is some more. |
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| 07:22.03 | Corrodias | http://www.thenoobcomic.com/daily/strip055.html |
| 07:42.52 | Tem | finally! |
| 07:43.05 | Tem | tiny bugs are hard as hell to find |
| 07:43.26 | ckknight | lol, Corrodias |
| 07:43.38 | Tem | < when you meant <= ftl |
| 07:45.03 | Corrodias | got two Orb of Deception with one kill today :o |
| 07:52.19 | Corrodias | i just wish they'd be less... restricted |
| 07:54.42 | Corrodias | i mean, last longer, cooldown quicker |
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| 07:56.33 | MoonWolf | omg ckknight |
| 07:56.52 | MoonWolf | sup ? |
| 07:58.58 | ckknight | not much |
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| 08:33.25 | JunkHead-Work | Anyone else like turkey? |
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| 08:33.53 | Corrodias | turkey breast is nice. it has no fat. |
| 08:35.10 | JunkHead-Work | And it's good. |
| 08:36.02 | Corrodias | well, the flavor is weak |
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| 11:03.12 | Shirik | ffs... |
| 11:03.16 | Shirik | internet out for 8 hours |
| 11:03.20 | Shirik | that's torture |
| 11:08.04 | leethal | woha |
| 11:08.18 | leethal | when internet is out, I'm totally disabled |
| 11:08.35 | leethal | even though I do offline things when I have internet, such as coding stuff, I'm unable to do it if I don't have internet |
| 11:08.39 | leethal | totally paralyzing |
| 11:10.32 | Nom- | I think i'd go postal if my net was down for more than 8 non-business hours |
| 11:10.40 | Elkano | leethal, for me it's often the other way around :/ as soon as I have net I can't concentrate on coding if I didn't code offline and am testing things now |
| 11:11.31 | Shirik | luckily |
| 11:11.35 | Shirik | I was asleep for these 8 hours |
| 11:11.46 | Shirik | strangely enough it came back as soon as I called them... coincidence? |
| 11:11.49 | Nom- | If my net went down |
| 11:11.58 | Nom- | I'd be like "I know where you work, and I have access to the building..." |
| 11:12.03 | Shirik | lol |
| 11:12.12 | Shirik | Nah I like my ISP for their tech support at least |
| 11:12.21 | Shirik | if I call them and they can't fix it, they send someone over in an hour |
| 11:12.50 | Shirik | I just wish it didn't go down twice a week |
| 11:13.23 | Nom- | "And is physical threats don't frighten you, I also have access to your employee records.." |
| 11:13.26 | Nom- | :P |
| 11:13.47 | Nom- | One of the benefits of working for your isp :P |
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| 12:27.42 | leethal | what does the combat log say when challenging roar/shout is resisted? Same as paladins righteous defense, perhaps? |
| 12:27.49 | leethal | "Your %s was resisted by %s" |
| 12:56.57 | Shirik | yup |
| 13:04.39 | leethal | hmm.. UnitInParty("player") returns 1 even though I'm not in a party. Does that mean I'm probably in a party and something is bugged? |
| 13:05.20 | Shirik | UnitInParty returns whether or not you are grouped with that player |
| 13:05.36 | Shirik | it doesn't exactly make sense to do UnitInParty("player") but I guess you can assume you are always grouped with yourself |
| 13:05.46 | leethal | ah |
| 13:05.50 | Shirik | are you trying to detect if you're in a party? |
| 13:05.53 | leethal | yep |
| 13:06.01 | Shirik | I think I used GetNumPartyMembers(), let me check |
| 13:08.10 | leethal | I'll make myself a "if GetNumPartyMembers() > 0 then return true end" thingie then |
| 13:08.39 | Shirik | ugh I can't find it, but I'm sure that's how it was done |
| 13:08.52 | Shirik | the window system needs more organization >< |
| 13:08.55 | leethal | seems to work |
| 13:09.16 | Shirik | Theres windows.lua, RDXM_Windows/RDXM_Windows.lua, and VFL/UI/Windows.lua |
| 13:09.19 | Shirik | too much to look through |
| 13:09.42 | leethal | =P |
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| 13:27.26 | Kirkburn | Morning! Little note - big undocumented changes list on www.wowwiki.com/Patch_2.1.0 |
| 13:30.59 | JoshBorke | Pitchlimit can no longer be changed.:( |
| 13:31.03 | zenzelezz | "Karazhan has been reitemized." -- help me out here, is this lingo for "Karazhan loot no longer sucks"? |
| 13:31.18 | Shirik | or "Karazhan loot sucks more" |
| 13:31.22 | Shirik | one of the two |
| 13:31.49 | zenzelezz | wouldn't notice much of a difference if they nerfed them |
| 13:34.34 | leethal | so, I'm adding a "Syntax: /myaddon <command1|command2|command3>" thingie to a chat frame. Is there a unicode for the | than I can use? When a command strats with R and has a | in front of it - for instance <say|party|raid>, the output is <say|partyaid> |
| 13:34.49 | leethal | "|r" is color stuff, isn't it? |
| 13:34.53 | Shirik | because | is the escape character |
| 13:34.54 | Shirik | use || |
| 13:35.06 | Shirik | it's equivalent to doing something like \\ |
| 13:35.27 | leethal | aha |
| 13:49.20 | Kirkburn | Morning cladhaire |
| 13:49.27 | cladhaire | morning Kirkburn |
| 13:49.41 | Shirik | morning cladhaire :) |
| 13:49.51 | cladhaire | morning Shirik |
| 13:50.12 | cladhaire | Kirkburn: did you get my facebook invite? |
| 14:00.04 | Kirkburn | cladhaire, yes, I accepted it |
| 14:00.11 | cladhaire | yay |
| 14:00.37 | Shirik | cladhaire.friendcount++; |
| 14:00.54 | cladhaire | true dat |
| 14:02.03 | Kirkburn | Poor drysc, he makes a patch compilation post on the UI forums and gets shot down for repitition :P |
| 14:02.22 | cladhaire | he shoudl have read the stickies. |
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| 14:02.26 | Kirkburn | Aye |
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| 14:14.33 | JoshBorke | best note ever: Active corpses or objects (ones with loot on them) now can be selected and looted, even if they are underneath another corpse that does not have loot on it. |
| 14:14.45 | Shirik | yeah I liked that |
| 14:21.39 | leethal | when I don't alter the file on a wowinterface.com project, just e.g. the description, it won't need admin approval, right? |
| 14:22.10 | JoshBorke | yea |
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| 14:39.23 | Kirkburn | Added a whole load of new stuff to www.wowwiki.com/Patch_2.1.0 :D |
| 14:44.32 | Corrodias | druid shapeshifting buff! BOO YAH |
| 14:44.38 | Corrodias | now we'll pwn you for sure |
| 14:45.01 | cladhaire | lol |
| 14:46.28 | zenzelezz | by far the most important change is that the boats now make a sound on arrival |
| 14:46.36 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 14:46.40 | Kirkburn | So true |
| 14:47.32 | Corrodias | i dunno, i think "All but three blessings (Blessing of Sanctuary, Salvation, and Protection) got a new animation." is pretty close. i was getting so bored with those blessings. |
| 14:48.01 | Shirik | BE wanding needs a new animation >.> |
| 14:48.27 | Corrodias | you don't like the harry potter? :P |
| 14:48.34 | Shirik | it looks like she tripped! |
| 14:49.12 | subbawt | freedom looks interesting now |
| 14:49.30 | subbawt | im going to miss the good ol' foot bubble |
| 14:55.14 | zenzelezz | 500 hp and 10 defense rating from flask instead of 1500/30? Dear god, why would anyone bother with flasks anymore |
| 14:56.13 | sysrage | because elixirs don't stack anymore? |
| 14:56.16 | Corrodias | oh boy, 500 hit points |
| 14:57.07 | sysrage | cracks me up they said they were about to improve alchemy then they nerf the living shit out of it |
| 14:57.10 | zenzelezz | sysrage: 500hp is what, 0.25 hits or less |
| 14:57.27 | Corrodias | it might be 1/3 of a hit from morores, yeah? |
| 14:57.30 | sysrage | i understand it's weaksauce. but since you can't stack elixirs you gotta take what you can get now i suppose |
| 14:57.49 | zenzelezz | I'd rather go naked than spend all those mats on the flask |
| 14:58.02 | sysrage | nothin beats naked raids |
| 14:58.05 | zenzelezz | then again, I don't usually use flasks or many elixirs still |
| 14:58.16 | Corrodias | bye, limited invulnerability potion |
| 14:58.18 | zenzelezz | stoneshield potions suffice for Moroes |
| 14:58.40 | subbawt | the flasks had their costs reduced |
| 14:59.01 | Corrodias | i hope wowhead wipes some information that is out of date, but i have a horrible feeling they won't |
| 14:59.08 | Corrodias | like mineral node positions in outland |
| 14:59.12 | subbawt | they are more or less 1/3rd the old mats |
| 14:59.59 | zenzelezz | still not worth it to me :-) |
| 15:00.25 | zenzelezz | may start using some of the new flasks for some fights |
| 15:00.29 | Corrodias | "# Stealthed elite Roof Stalkers have been added to the roofs of Orgrimmar. " |
| 15:01.44 | zenzelezz | I need to train herbalism on my bank alt before I would really start chugging potions/elixirs, I'm too cheap to buy stuff |
| 15:01.55 | Corrodias | those walljumpers are really trouble, eh! |
| 15:02.45 | Corrodias | "Sublime Mystic Dawnstone's cost reduced from 500 Halaa Battle Tokens to 100." -- hey, i might actually BOTHER with these now! ...well, if i needed more resilience for a raid anyway |
| 15:03.32 | Corrodias | as for "Pitchlimit can no longer be changed.", was this REALLY such a problem that it had to be nerfed? |
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| 15:10.11 | JoshBorke | it was probably not something that was all that big of a deal, but i'm sure it's just a simple bug fix |
| 15:10.23 | JoshBorke | then again, it might have had something to do with people swimming in air |
| 15:11.53 | leethal | would an addon that turns on vein/flower tracking when you ress after a death be doable? |
| 15:12.07 | JoshBorke | not without a keypress |
| 15:12.39 | leethal | hm, ok |
| 15:13.16 | [dRaCo] | but a reminder should be easy |
| 15:13.30 | [dRaCo] | like "turn your tracking back on, dumbass." |
| 15:13.31 | leethal | a reminder with a button to enable it, perhaps? |
| 15:14.07 | [dRaCo] | ooc possible |
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| 15:14.27 | JoshBorke | yes, that would work, combat or otherwise |
| 15:14.40 | [dRaCo] | spawning a button in combat? |
| 15:17.00 | JoshBorke | well no, but the button could just hang out |
| 15:18.12 | leethal | :Hide and :Show? |
| 15:18.35 | JoshBorke | not while in combat |
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| 16:00.19 | Kirkburn | This video ... has quite a build up ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nkq9AvlcAH4&NR=1 |
| 16:08.17 | leethal | what is "attempt to perform arithmetic on local 'return_string' (a string value)"? |
| 16:08.24 | leethal | doing a mystring = mystring + "foo" |
| 16:08.34 | Shirik | yes |
| 16:08.42 | Shirik | where "foo" is return_string |
| 16:08.47 | Shirik | type(return_string) == "string" |
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| 16:08.59 | Shirik | >>> return_string = "a"; return a+2; |
| 16:09.03 | Shirik | bah, Cide :( |
| 16:09.16 | Cide | fixe |
| 16:09.17 | Cide | d |
| 16:09.20 | Shirik | bah, Cide :( |
| 16:09.21 | Shirik | >>> return_string = "a"; return a+2; |
| 16:09.22 | Cide | Shirik: [string "return_string = "a"; return a+2;"]:1: attempt to perform arithmetic on global 'a' (a nil value) |
| 16:09.29 | Shirik | whoops |
| 16:09.32 | leethal | =P |
| 16:09.33 | Shirik | >>> return_string = "a"; return return_string+2; |
| 16:09.33 | Cide | Shirik: [string "return_string = "a"; return return_string+2..."]:1: attempt to perform arithmetic on global 'return_string' (a string value) |
| 16:09.36 | Shirik | that one :P |
| 16:09.46 | leethal | uhm |
| 16:10.04 | leethal | isn't foo = foo + bar supposed to add bar to foo? |
| 16:10.13 | Shirik | yes |
| 16:10.24 | nevcairiel | it is |
| 16:10.34 | leethal | oh, integers added to strings etc, I think I get it |
| 16:11.20 | leethal | but.. I'm almost certain both foo and bar is strings in my example |
| 16:12.25 | zenzelezz | what are you trying to do? |
| 16:12.25 | nuoHep | if you need to concatenate them use .. not + |
| 16:13.47 | leethal | http://wowi.pastey.net/12593 |
| 16:14.30 | zenzelezz | look at what nuoHep just told you |
| 16:14.40 | leethal | yep that worked |
| 16:14.42 | leethal | thanks =) |
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| 17:18.08 | Jumpee | If you are in a Raid, would GetNumPartyMembers() return the number in your party or 0? |
| 17:18.17 | Shirik | 0 or 1 |
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| 17:18.24 | Shirik | actually |
| 17:18.25 | Shirik | it might not |
| 17:18.26 | cladhaire | it returns the number of members in your party |
| 17:18.31 | Shirik | yeah |
| 17:18.45 | Shirik | man I remember having to go test all these cases >< |
| 17:19.06 | Shirik | so long ago I've forgotten em by now |
| 17:19.08 | Jumpee | So you are considered in a party even while in a raid? |
| 17:19.13 | Shirik | well, you are |
| 17:19.18 | Shirik | have you ever tried to do /p while in a raid? |
| 17:19.25 | nevcairiel | a raid is technically just a bunch of parties. |
| 17:19.30 | Jumpee | yes, you're right |
| 17:20.33 | cladhaire | you are in a party, and a raid |
| 17:20.43 | cladhaire | however, you can be in your own party in a raid |
| 17:20.48 | cladhaire | in which case, GetNumpartyMembers() would return 0 |
| 17:21.28 | Jumpee | cladhaire: you mean it would be 0 if I were the only one in the group? |
| 17:21.33 | cladhaire | correct |
| 17:21.33 | Shirik | yup |
| 17:21.38 | Shirik | it doesn't count yourself |
| 17:22.29 | Shirik | hmmm I smell smoke |
| 17:22.32 | Shirik | that's not good |
| 17:22.43 | Jumpee | Simon is smoking? |
| 17:23.34 | Shirik | lol no |
| 17:23.39 | Shirik | but that's the first thing I checked >< |
| 17:23.56 | Kirkburn | Does anyone have patch notes prior to 0.6? |
| 17:23.57 | Shirik | I think my RA's starting up a barbequeue he has the thing opened |
| 17:24.17 | Corrodias | Invalid account name or password |
| 17:24.21 | Corrodias | thank you, wow forums. |
| 17:24.27 | Shirik | lol |
| 17:25.45 | Jumpee | I am looking at a person's code and trying to help him. The only thing I could figure was that he is by himself in the party or GetNumPartyMembers() was returning 0 if in a raid. http://forums.worldofwar.net/showthread.php?p=3934246#post3934246 |
| 17:27.23 | Corrodias | looks like people have requested a buff to the orb of deception plenty of times, though |
| 17:27.40 | Garoun | Clad, I added Lifebloom toPraid |
| 17:27.43 | Shirik | Jumpee: Let me see if I can find my code >< |
| 17:27.49 | cladhaire | lifebloom is <3 |
| 17:27.50 | Garoun | I noticed it was missing for druids :) |
| 17:27.56 | cladhaire | i dont have it in the presets?> |
| 17:28.04 | Garoun | wasn't in mine |
| 17:28.09 | cladhaire | hrm, odd. |
| 17:28.10 | Garoun | using most version |
| 17:28.13 | Garoun | er most recent |
| 17:28.23 | Corrodias | i am using the greatest version! |
| 17:28.45 | Shirik | Jumpee: I'm in a raid right now, with one other |
| 17:28.48 | Garoun | but it was nice seeing the nice Lb by someones name :) |
| 17:28.52 | Shirik | both in same party, GetNumPartyMembers() returns 1 |
| 17:30.07 | Shirik | Jumpee: UnitInParty("player") will ALWAYS return 1 |
| 17:30.25 | Jumpee | yes, that I do know. |
| 17:30.39 | Jumpee | oh wait |
| 17:30.41 | Shirik | so it's always going to send to party |
| 17:30.48 | Shirik | never to raid |
| 17:31.31 | Jumpee | ok, thanks |
| 17:31.42 | Shirik | np |
| 17:32.01 | Shirik | use GetNumRaidMembers() to check |
| 17:32.41 | Jumpee | But wouldn't the second if override the first if? if UnitInRaid("player") then |
| 17:33.39 | Shirik | also |
| 17:33.44 | Shirik | there's an off by one error |
| 17:33.59 | Shirik | it should be nummem >= 1 |
| 17:34.01 | Jumpee | the > 1 you mean? |
| 17:34.08 | Jumpee | gotcha |
| 17:34.10 | Shirik | actually, that's not even right |
| 17:34.28 | Shirik | because you could be in a raid and have it be 0 |
| 17:34.29 | Jumpee | > 0 |
| 17:34.38 | Shirik | >= 0 |
| 17:34.42 | Shirik | but that's a pointless check |
| 17:34.44 | Jumpee | ok |
| 17:34.54 | Shirik | use GetNumRaidMembers() first, followed by GetNumPartyMembers() |
| 17:34.59 | Shirik | if BOTH are 0, you aren't in a party or raid |
| 17:35.30 | Jumpee | but if he is in a raid wouldn't the if UnitInRaid("player") then cause the message to go to raid? |
| 17:35.38 | Shirik | not if he's the only one in his party |
| 17:35.43 | Shirik | in that case, it would go to say |
| 17:36.12 | Shirik | put simply, the code's a bit messy. Instead of trying to fix it I'd recommend rewriting that block |
| 17:36.14 | Shirik | which is kinda what I just did |
| 17:36.30 | Jumpee | ok, makes sense, it is kinda cludgy |
| 17:37.04 | Shirik | I'd recommend what I just said, something like this: |
| 17:37.40 | Shirik | local type = ""; if (GetNumRaidMembers() > 0) then type = "RAID" elseif (GetNumPartyMembers() > 0) then type = "PARTY"; else type = "SAY"; end |
| 17:38.01 | Jumpee | Somebody already posted an answer to hi squestion. |
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| 17:38.27 | Shirik | it's still wrong |
| 17:38.46 | Jumpee | ok, I'll post what you said. |
| 17:39.15 | Garoun | anyone know what event: spell_CvCbuff in transcriptor is? looks like heals but not certain |
| 17:39.57 | Shirik | yes |
| 17:40.17 | Shirik | it's a CvC friendly non-aura spell |
| 17:40.43 | Garoun | ok |
| 17:40.56 | Garoun | looks like Romulo has 151750 hp then ;) hehe |
| 17:41.45 | Garoun | thanks, guessing CvC is Creature vs Creature |
| 17:42.07 | Shirik | yeh |
| 17:42.22 | Shirik | and also, I'm assuming that translates to |
| 17:42.33 | Shirik | CCM_CVC_BUFF |
| 17:42.38 | Shirik | in blizz events |
| 17:43.00 | Garoun | what I can't seem to figure out with R&J is why her blinding Passion ticked 5 times on some people and only 1-2 times on other (the holy dot) |
| 17:43.01 | Shirik | CMC* |
| 17:43.38 | Shirik | crap |
| 17:43.40 | Shirik | I mean this one: CHAT_MSG_SPELL_CREATURE_VS_CREATURE_BUFF |
| 17:43.55 | Garoun | ah, I didnt think to look up the events like that |
| 17:44.15 | Shirik | "Fired when a mob begins casting a beneficial spell and again when the casting is completed. arg1 is the full combat chat text. Examples: Mob begins to cast Heal. Mob's Heal heals Mob for 20." |
| 17:44.17 | Garoun | just now learning how to use the Transcriptor logs, that will help a ton |
| 17:44.27 | Shirik | I have no clue what transcriptor is :P |
| 17:44.31 | Shirik | I'm just assuming it correlates like that |
| 17:44.33 | Garoun | it logs encounters |
| 17:44.39 | Shirik | ah |
| 17:44.42 | Shirik | I use battlerecorder :P |
| 17:44.45 | Garoun | this is an example http://www.g-ball.com/wow/ui/other/Transcriptor-hakkar-ghaz.lua |
| 17:44.58 | Shirik | that's ugly |
| 17:45.01 | Shirik | no GUI interface? |
| 17:45.31 | Garoun | nope |
| 17:45.35 | zenzelezz | what's the spare I for? |
| 17:45.36 | Shirik | poo |
| 17:45.37 | Garoun | I didn't know if there was another mod for it |
| 17:45.52 | Shirik | there isn't that I'm aware of... yet |
| 17:46.17 | Jumpee | Shirik: Thanks for the help. |
| 17:46.23 | Garoun | transcriptor is good, but I think it's really only missing a parser |
| 17:46.24 | Shirik | I've been working on an RDX module that records battles. The best part of it, I think, is that it's going to split load between players so you don't come into a problem with log range |
| 17:46.26 | Shirik | Jumpee: No problem |
| 17:46.37 | Shirik | Aye, but I think most would prefer a GUI |
| 17:46.42 | Shirik | most people have no idea how to read Lua |
| 17:46.53 | Garoun | well yeah, that's what I mean :) |
| 17:47.15 | Garoun | Transcriptor is more the backend programmer level code, the parser would be the ui you're talking about |
| 17:47.47 | Garoun | similar to how you can use CT_Raidtracker to track loot and there is a raw file but the gui parses it out an human readable format:) |
| 17:48.16 | Shirik | or you get a php page on my site where you just upload the raw file ^^ |
| 17:48.23 | Shirik | and then input some dkp info |
| 17:48.25 | Shirik | and boom, done |
| 17:48.28 | Garoun | that can work as well :) |
| 17:48.48 | Shirik | but yeah, I've never used CT_RaidTracker myself |
| 17:48.57 | Shirik | I just coded a page for someone who wanted it |
| 17:49.04 | Shirik | zenzelezz: If it makes you feel better, we don't use it anymore |
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| 18:35.32 | Tem | PProvost, it's there on wowwiki |
| 18:35.35 | Tem | I've seen it before |
| 18:35.39 | Tem | but I don't remember where |
| 18:35.49 | Tem | I do remember that it changes based on race/class |
| 18:35.54 | PProvost | Yeah, I thought so too, but I can't seem to find it. Grrr. |
| 18:39.26 | Cide | equation for health points? |
| 18:40.43 | PProvost | Given level, class, Stamina I think there should be an equation for HP, right? |
| 18:41.16 | Cide | it's dependent on level, class, race, stamina, talents and buffs |
| 18:41.27 | Cide | and gear obviously |
| 18:41.46 | Cide | if you disregard talents and gear, you can find the base health but I don't think there's a formula for it |
| 18:42.49 | PProvost | Bummer. Thanks. |
| 18:52.59 | Jumpee | tardmrr? |
| 18:53.09 | Tem | one and the same |
| 18:53.15 | Tem | tardmrr.wowinterface.com |
| 18:53.24 | Jumpee | ahh |
| 18:54.12 | Shirik | Tem == Tardmrr? |
| 18:54.26 | Tem | *nod* |
| 18:54.30 | Shirik | that I didn't know |
| 18:55.08 | Tem | Shirik, btw, that "BZZZZT Wrong!" post I made in reply to you somewhere came out a lot more harsh than it was supposed to |
| 18:55.20 | Tem | but I cba to find it |
| 18:55.46 | Shirik | haha, I remember that |
| 18:55.57 | Shirik | I wrote a reply to you; deleted it about 10 seconds later |
| 18:56.11 | Tem | haha |
| 18:56.14 | Jumpee | Shirik: So what was causing the smell of smoke? |
| 18:56.19 | Shirik | oh |
| 18:56.25 | Shirik | my RA was starting a charcoal fire |
| 18:56.28 | Tem | Shirik, what did it say? |
| 18:56.37 | Shirik | in essense, that you were right :P |
| 18:56.42 | Tem | "RA" as in resident assistant? |
| 18:56.46 | Shirik | yeah |
| 18:56.49 | Tem | like, you live in a dorm? |
| 18:56.55 | Shirik | sadly, yes |
| 18:57.01 | Tem | my condolences |
| 18:57.04 | Tem | I did that once |
| 18:57.07 | Shirik | I'll be out this year >.> |
| 18:57.08 | Tem | never wanna do it again |
| 18:57.24 | Shirik | I'll have my own condo next year |
| 18:58.19 | Jumpee | I don't even like living in an appartment, let alone a dorm. |
| 18:59.25 | Tem | Shirik, nice |
| 18:59.40 | Tem | Jumpee, I don't mind it now that I have good neighbors |
| 19:00.00 | Shirik | Tem: The only thing keeping me sane here is that one of my good friends is a few rooms down |
| 19:00.10 | Tem | my first year here, I had a jackass on the left that loved to play his rap music loud enough for me to hear through the wall |
| 19:00.15 | Shirik | rofl |
| 19:00.20 | Tem | and to make it worse, it seemed like he only had 1 CD |
| 19:00.26 | Jumpee | Good neighbors are hard to come by |
| 19:00.28 | Shirik | oh, so it was probably my brother |
| 19:00.32 | Tem | (which played over and over and over ad nausium) |
| 19:00.51 | Tem | and all I could hear was the base |
| 19:00.59 | Shirik | definitely my brother |
| 19:01.04 | Tem | or is it bass? |
| 19:01.08 | Shirik | bass |
| 19:01.28 | Tem | then the jackass on the other side like to play bongo drums at 2 in the morning |
| 19:01.28 | Jumpee | aka fish |
| 19:01.37 | Tem | s/like/liked/ |
| 19:01.39 | Shirik | he |
| 19:01.45 | Shirik | not as bad as my first year |
| 19:01.50 | Shirik | my roommate insisted on vaccuming |
| 19:01.52 | Shirik | at 4AM |
| 19:01.55 | Tem | but now, they'ved both moved out |
| 19:01.57 | Tem | lol! |
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| 19:17.16 | Tem | much <3 for caturday |
| 19:17.17 | Tem | http://img.4chan.org/b/src/1176664436948.jpg |
| 19:18.58 | Shirik | (points at the above with a "NSFW" tag) |
| 19:19.05 | Shirik | as a warning to anyone else |
| 19:21.00 | Gnarfoz | it's 4chan |
| 19:21.05 | Gnarfoz | is it ever sfw |
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| 19:21.43 | Calliee | don't think so... |
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| 19:26.04 | Shirik | ok... |
| 19:26.07 | Shirik | point taken |
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| 19:28.41 | Tem | I would visit that link while I was at work |
| 19:28.55 | Shirik | I've never really had a job where I was "at" work |
| 19:30.33 | nevcairiel | its just a cat. |
| 19:30.35 | Gnarfoz | lucky you |
| 19:30.40 | Gnarfoz | I need one of those jobs |
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| 19:49.56 | raevanmorlock | Can lua statements be broken up across multiple lines? |
| 19:50.29 | Cide | yes |
| 19:52.01 | Shirik | the lua syntax is such that you can use whatever whitespace you desire, and it will be interpreted the same |
| 19:52.07 | Cide | >>> loadstring("x\n=\n5; _G[\n'print'\n](\nx\n)")() |
| 19:52.07 | Cide | Cide: 5 |
| 19:52.57 | Shirik | >>> loadstring("a"..string.rep("\n\t",500).."=5")(); return a; |
| 19:52.58 | Cide | Shirik: 5 |
| 19:54.14 | AnduinLothar | Females Outnumber Males Online in the US |
| 19:54.23 | AnduinLothar | There ARE girls online! |
| 19:54.26 | Shirik | most of them are on bankofamerica.com |
| 19:55.17 | Calliee | =P |
| 19:55.21 | Shirik | hehehe |
| 19:55.27 | AnduinLothar | hey, no glaring, Cairenn's here, but she's a self proclaimed geek lover |
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| 19:56.42 | Shirik | is she here? |
| 19:56.46 | Shirik | thought she was afk :( |
| 19:56.54 | AnduinLothar | 'here' as in online |
| 19:57.00 | Shirik | ah |
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| 20:18.58 | Kaso | wowhead's search function annoys me sometimes |
| 20:19.21 | AnduinLothar | why? |
| 20:19.34 | Kaso | it doesnt handle partial strings properly, "Haste Po" doesnt match "Haste Potion" for example |
| 20:19.57 | Shirik | I think that's how MySQL's FULLTEXT indices work |
| 20:21.18 | Shirik | party is dying >< |
| 20:21.27 | Shirik | will explain in a sec :P |
| 20:21.54 | Shirik | shh |
| 20:22.01 | Cairenn|afk | she is always here, don't you guys know that by now? |
| 20:23.51 | Shirik | hi Cairenn|afk :) |
| 20:23.54 | Tem | http://matin.maapallo.org/site.pl/selain/?c=sinfest&i=2389 |
| 20:23.57 | Tem | lol |
| 20:25.42 | zenzelezz | you contradict yourself Cairenn|afk |
| 20:25.52 | Tem | http://matin.maapallo.org/site.pl/selain/?c=sinfest&i=2385 |
| 20:26.03 | Tem | this commic is so awesome |
| 20:28.34 | raevanmorlock | I don't get it |
| 20:29.33 | Tem | he asks for enlightenment |
| 20:29.52 | Tem | the "budddah" hands him a dandylion |
| 20:30.21 | Tem | gah, nevermind |
| 20:30.26 | Tem | it's not funny if you explain it |
| 20:30.28 | raevanmorlock | Yes, I read it.. but I don't understand where the funny part comes in |
| 20:30.36 | raevanmorlock | heh |
| 20:33.27 | Iriel | Anyone know where the JRE and J2SDK get installed on OS X? |
| 20:33.49 | AnduinLothar | how'd you isntall them? |
| 20:34.08 | krka | $ locate jre |
| 20:34.15 | Iriel | krka: No locate db built yet |
| 20:34.18 | Iriel | AnduinLothar: Standard install |
| 20:34.20 | AnduinLothar | Library/Java/Home has a redirect |
| 20:34.24 | Iriel | AnduinLothar: so, however they came |
| 20:34.30 | krka | $sudo updatedb |
| 20:34.44 | Shirik | Ok, Kaso as I was saying |
| 20:34.47 | Iriel | krka: Yeah yeah, i'm trying to avoid doing that by asking someone 8-) |
| 20:34.48 | krka | i'm guessing /usr/lib though |
| 20:34.49 | AnduinLothar | my redirect goes to /System/Library/Frameworks/JavaVM.framework/Versions/1.5.0/ |
| 20:34.51 | Shirik | before my party became moronic |
| 20:35.03 | Iriel | Aha, Frameworks |
| 20:35.03 | krka | $ ls /usr/lib | grep java |
| 20:35.05 | krka | possibly |
| 20:35.17 | Kaso | about fulltext |
| 20:35.19 | krka | i was just guessing osx was similar to linux |
| 20:35.19 | AnduinLothar | i also have copies of 1.3 and 1.4 in the parent dir |
| 20:35.21 | Shirik | MySQL's FULLTEXT indices only allow for using the MATCH() syntax, which only provides matching for full words |
| 20:35.22 | krka | apparently i was very wrong :) |
| 20:35.34 | AnduinLothar | it is if you build them from scratch krka |
| 20:35.36 | Iriel | AnduinLothar: Thanks, found it |
| 20:35.38 | Shirik | Now... you COULD use something like WHERE field LIKE "%text%" |
| 20:35.44 | Shirik | but that won't use the index, and will require a full table search |
| 20:35.47 | Iriel | AnduinLothar: There's hope for me yet 8-) |
| 20:35.51 | AnduinLothar | but the default isntall puts most things deep in the Library folder |
| 20:36.25 | AnduinLothar | they're easiert to find there as long as you have zero unix background ;) |
| 20:36.28 | Iriel | I dont know if it's a good or bad sign but OS X has stolen one of my linux montors |
| 20:36.28 | AnduinLothar | easier* |
| 20:36.44 | AnduinLothar | stolen? |
| 20:37.05 | zenzelezz | O_o |
| 20:37.09 | krka | what's a montor? |
| 20:37.13 | Iriel | I had a dual-head linux setup, but I realized the macbook pro is more powerful than my linux desktop, so linux is single headed now |
| 20:37.30 | krka | aha i see |
| 20:37.35 | krka | never mind me |
| 20:38.00 | Iriel | I really like how they did the display settings when you have more than one monitor (each monitor gets a window for itself) |
| 20:39.10 | AnduinLothar | ya |
| 20:39.23 | AnduinLothar | much easier than windows' monitor identify thing |
| 20:39.59 | Iriel | I'm still fighting a bit with Parallels and debian, I think it's just boot order and kernel module issues though, hopefully all very solveable |
| 20:40.33 | AnduinLothar | yeah, Parallels just wasn't finished enough for me to want to pay for it |
| 20:40.44 | Tem | http://matin.maapallo.org/site.pl/selain/?c=sinfest&i=2356 |
| 20:40.52 | AnduinLothar | so i just use the VMWare free beta for now |
| 20:41.11 | krka | how's the performance for stuff like that? |
| 20:41.13 | AnduinLothar | VMware Fusion if you're lookign for it |
| 20:41.34 | krka | i really dont know much about os virtualization |
| 20:41.34 | AnduinLothar | it's fine, but you dont run games on it |
| 20:41.40 | krka | right |
| 20:41.43 | AnduinLothar | it sure beats emulation |
| 20:42.03 | krka | do you need any special hardware to do it? |
| 20:42.09 | Shirik | a processor |
| 20:42.13 | AnduinLothar | although VMware has DirectX 6 support now i think |
| 20:42.16 | Iriel | Vista in parallels is pretty slick |
| 20:42.30 | krka | or is it basically what wine does, only it replaces all the system calls? |
| 20:42.30 | Iriel | though that's only there in case i'm forced to have something windowsy around |
| 20:42.37 | krka | (instead of just replacing windows calls) |
| 20:42.43 | AnduinLothar | so I should install like Rollercoaster Tycoon :) |
| 20:42.50 | Iriel | krka: it's a bit more thorough than that, it's simulating the entire hardware layer |
| 20:42.57 | krka | but not emulating? |
| 20:43.04 | Iriel | Not on a modern processor, no. |
| 20:43.18 | Iriel | I mean, there IS emulation of devices |
| 20:43.20 | krka | i see... what on a modern processor does it use? |
| 20:43.38 | Iriel | But with virtualization support in the processor the guest OS is largely running native code |
| 20:43.45 | krka | right, but for basic number crunching, it runs on plain processor? |
| 20:43.53 | Iriel | There are just certain system call traps etc that jump back to the host |
| 20:43.55 | Iriel | Yup |
| 20:43.55 | krka | i see |
| 20:44.02 | krka | how new processor would you neeD? |
| 20:44.07 | krka | and any particular family? |
| 20:44.30 | AnduinLothar | i have no idea how it works, all i know is that i have 4 processors and the only time i see a slwo down is when running Windows and WoW at the same time |
| 20:44.41 | Iriel | AnduinLothar: Is that 2 dual core processors? |
| 20:44.44 | AnduinLothar | ya |
| 20:45.12 | AnduinLothar | Prossesor wise on mac you jsut need any intelmac |
| 20:45.24 | AnduinLothar | so the lowest is a Core Duo |
| 20:46.14 | krka | i just have old AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2500+ |
| 20:46.28 | AnduinLothar | and the cheepest intelmac sold atm is the $600 mac mini 1.66ghz core duo |
| 20:46.49 | AnduinLothar | of course you'll need to add ram |
| 20:46.58 | krka | 1.66ghz doesn't sound like much |
| 20:46.58 | Iriel | krka: I'm sure the vmware site has some capability info, they've been around for a good long while |
| 20:47.08 | Iriel | AnduinLothar: How much ram can a MacBook pro take, max? 3GB? |
| 20:47.17 | krka | seems like processor speed increase has slowed down recently |
| 20:47.24 | AnduinLothar | 1.66 is how fast my old G5 was, only with a single proc |
| 20:48.00 | krka | my processor is like 1830.039MHz and that was cheap when i bought it 3+ years ago |
| 20:48.14 | AnduinLothar | it'll run wow, but i wouldnt' recommend it for gaming at all |
| 20:48.58 | AnduinLothar | Iriel: http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/specs.html |
| 20:49.28 | Kaso | krka: thats rather presisce |
| 20:50.00 | krka | grep Mhz /proc/cpuinfo |
| 20:50.05 | Tem | krka, why make a faster processor when you can just hook lots of them together? >< |
| 20:50.15 | krka | true |
| 20:50.24 | krka | not everything can be parallellized though |
| 20:50.44 | krka | but it would indeed rock for virtualization |
| 20:50.50 | AnduinLothar | Iriel: you can also go to apple menu > about this mac > more info > Memory |
| 20:51.30 | AnduinLothar | of Applications > Utilities > System Profiler.app |
| 20:51.32 | AnduinLothar | or* |
| 20:52.39 | AnduinLothar | Well guys... Windowizer is now public-ready. Just need to upload it |
| 20:53.02 | AnduinLothar | MobileFrames/MoveAnything replacement |
| 20:53.18 | Shirik | is it as much of a taint wrecking ball as MoveAnything? |
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| 20:53.30 | AnduinLothar | nope, no tainting |
| 20:53.33 | AnduinLothar | Move, resize, and scale frames with independent x&y axes. |
| 20:53.33 | Shirik | fun |
| 20:53.49 | zenzelezz | tained love |
| 20:53.52 | zenzelezz | *tainted |
| 20:54.03 | zenzelezz | I swear the lack of int on my warrior is growing on me |
| 20:54.40 | AnduinLothar | hmm, i should put allt he strigns in a localization file first |
| 20:56.31 | AnduinLothar | it's also xml free :) |
| 20:59.37 | Shirik | fun |
| 20:59.54 | kaiden | down with xml! |
| 21:04.09 | raevanmorlock | what's wrong with xml? |
| 21:04.21 | Shirik | nothing really |
| 21:04.26 | Shirik | some people, like myself, don't like to use it |
| 21:04.45 | AnduinLothar | I don't mind it, but in some cases it's easier to code it in lua |
| 21:05.04 | raevanmorlock | ooooh I thought you meant XML in general |
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| 21:23.26 | chuckg | AnduinLothar, does Windowizer let you click and drag frames around like the old MobileFrames? |
| 21:23.36 | AnduinLothar | yes |
| 21:23.44 | AnduinLothar | er |
| 21:23.47 | AnduinLothar | sorta |
| 21:23.52 | AnduinLothar | little diff implimentation |
| 21:24.20 | AnduinLothar | uses a binding to highlight the frame under the cursor |
| 21:24.27 | chuckg | I took over a mini-mobileframes, called moveFrames. |
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| 21:31.45 | ckknight | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=The+Contraption |
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| 21:51.58 | VoidRaider | Hello guys :) |
| 21:52.09 | Shirik | evening |
| 21:53.29 | VoidRaider | Anyone know if UnitDebuff and UnitBuff return the duration and timeLeft for "focus" as well as it for "target" ? |
| 21:54.09 | Shirik | You're referring to the 2.1 functionality? |
| 21:54.13 | VoidRaider | yup :) |
| 21:54.32 | Shirik | haven't tested it, but I would assume it's not a problem. But remember these are only returned if you are the one that cast the buff. |
| 21:54.57 | VoidRaider | yeah that's not a problem :) |
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| 22:44.14 | AnduinLothar | anyone got any betetr names for Windowizer? |
| 22:44.45 | Shirik | I suck at making names >< |
| 22:45.06 | AnduinLothar | i need osmething that makes people already know what it does without explaination |
| 22:45.06 | Iriel | What does it do? |
| 22:45.24 | AnduinLothar | Move, resize, and scale frames with independent x&y axes. |
| 22:45.39 | AnduinLothar | using bindings to cycle through frames under the cursor |
| 22:45.41 | Iriel | Hm, something with the word 'Layout' in the name? |
| 22:47.23 | AnduinLothar | yeah tho only other idea i had was somehting in relation to movers |
| 22:47.29 | Pandemic-vhell | DynamicLayout or something |
| 22:47.52 | AnduinLothar | i dont like the word dynamic, but that's just initial reaction |
| 22:48.20 | AnduinLothar | LayoutMaster maybe |
| 22:48.24 | Pandemic-vhell | that's good |
| 22:48.41 | AnduinLothar | YourLayout |
| 22:48.50 | Iriel | GetLaid(out) |
| 22:49.11 | AnduinLothar | mmm, which reminds me i need to make it use character settings and not global settings. what's the toc for that? |
| 22:49.56 | AnduinLothar | creative, but not intuitive |
| 22:50.00 | Iriel | SavedVariablesPerCharacter |
| 22:50.04 | AnduinLothar | thx |
| 22:50.05 | Iriel | MoveEverything? |
| 22:50.12 | Shirik | lol Iriel I like that name |
| 22:50.13 | Shirik | GetLaid |
| 22:50.18 | AnduinLothar | meh, it's superior, not a knock off |
| 22:50.31 | Shirik | MoveEverything should be renamed to TaintEverything imo |
| 22:50.46 | Iriel | Relocation? |
| 22:51.02 | zenzelezz | "It's Not Where It Used To Be", "Dude! Where's My Frames?" |
| 22:51.04 | Iriel | ACoupleOfBigGuysWithATruck? |
| 22:51.10 | AnduinLothar | is there a user safe word for 'frame'? |
| 22:51.20 | Shirik | box with pretty colors |
| 22:51.38 | AnduinLothar | i know the recent patch notes used something liek GameField to describe the screen |
| 22:52.03 | AnduinLothar | window doesn't seem to apply to misc frames like bars |
| 22:54.02 | Iriel | How about Blueprint? |
| 22:55.22 | AnduinLothar | mmm, cute.... esp since the highlight to drag frames is blue... |
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| 22:59.46 | AnduinLothar | LayoutDesigner? |
| 23:00.59 | Industrial | AnduinLothar: what is it? |
| 23:01.15 | AnduinLothar | scroll up |
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| 23:02.06 | AnduinLothar | MoveSizeScale |
| 23:02.25 | AnduinLothar | that definitely says what it does |
| 23:03.40 | AnduinLothar | LayoutDesigner is a bit more name-like tho |
| 23:04.07 | AnduinLothar | tho people tend to look for keywords |
| 23:04.11 | AnduinLothar | like 'move' |
| 23:04.25 | Iriel | PrimeMover |
| 23:04.27 | VoidRaider | Too complicated in my opinion :P |
| 23:04.32 | AnduinLothar | which? |
| 23:05.20 | VoidRaider | LayoutDesigner |
| 23:05.27 | AnduinLothar | meh, putting a superlative in a name is asking for trouble |
| 23:05.45 | AnduinLothar | "It's not so Prime now..." |
| 23:05.53 | VoidRaider | UILayoutMaster or something :) |
| 23:06.23 | Iriel | I was scanning rush album covers, that's all 8-) |
| 23:06.33 | AnduinLothar | :P |
| 23:06.46 | AnduinLothar | albums dont need representative names |
| 23:07.10 | Iriel | It's a track on Hold your Fire |
| 23:07.33 | AnduinLothar | song titles even less so |
| 23:08.17 | VoidRaider | LayoutManager ? :P |
| 23:10.49 | AnduinLothar | Manager > Designer |
| 23:10.57 | AnduinLothar | managing takes less work |
| 23:11.10 | AnduinLothar | or at least less education and creativity |
| 23:11.32 | AnduinLothar | UILayoutManager or LayoutManager? |
| 23:11.39 | Industrial | MiveSizeScale. |
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| 23:12.04 | Industrial | no UI, i dont like "UI" |
| 23:12.04 | VoidRaider | You can also use the word Widget instead of Layout |
| 23:12.13 | VoidRaider | lol :P |
| 23:12.38 | VoidRaider | LayoutManager I guess then :) |
| 23:13.02 | Industrial | i can live with that, but what does it DO? |
| 23:13.48 | AnduinLothar | Move, resize, and scale frames with independent x&y axes. |
| 23:13.49 | AnduinLothar | [3:44PM] AnduinLothar: using bindings to cycle through frames under the cursor |
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| 23:15.10 | Industrial | k |
| 23:18.18 | chuckg | AnduinLothar: Fluid Frames. |
| 23:19.20 | VoidRaider | Haha the name delivers :) |
| 23:20.07 | AnduinLothar | hmmm |
| 23:20.10 | AnduinLothar | better than LayoutManager? |
| 23:20.12 | chuckg | It'll cut down on people who haven't read Dr. Seuss using them, less headache. |
| 23:20.17 | chuckg | Absolutely. |
| 23:20.26 | chuckg | "Layout" implies something else to me. |
| 23:20.33 | chuckg | Manager makes it sound overly global. |
| 23:20.34 | AnduinLothar | like what>? |
| 23:20.37 | chuckg | Well .. |
| 23:20.43 | chuckg | It handles base blizz frames right? |
| 23:20.45 | AnduinLothar | it IS global |
| 23:21.00 | chuckg | Will it take over, say, agUF's builtin mobility? |
| 23:21.10 | chuckg | Or Bongo's movement? |
| 23:21.14 | AnduinLothar | you can use it to move them yes |
| 23:21.25 | chuckg | I see. |
| 23:21.27 | Industrial | hm, like visor did |
| 23:21.30 | chuckg | Yea. |
| 23:21.44 | Industrial | but then i guess more humane to configure |
| 23:21.45 | Industrial | :P |
| 23:22.01 | chuckg | Fluid Frame Manager |
| 23:22.05 | chuckg | FMM! |
| 23:22.12 | AnduinLothar | only configuration is to set a binding |
| 23:22.36 | VoidRaider | It's too long imo :P |
| 23:22.52 | Industrial | "Duck" |
| 23:22.53 | chuckg | I like Fluid Frames, but then again, it's something I came out with. |
| 23:23.11 | chuckg | Also, LayoutManager sounds like MCP or something. |
| 23:23.14 | Industrial | I dont know why, but its not too long and people will remember the name. |
| 23:23.17 | AnduinLothar | heh, ya |
| 23:23.20 | chuckg | Like the microsoft of frame management. |
| 23:23.33 | AnduinLothar | you win |
| 23:23.37 | AnduinLothar | FluidFrames it is |
| 23:23.40 | Industrial | \o/ |
| 23:23.40 | chuckg | Whee. |
| 23:23.45 | VoidRaider | Great :) |
| 23:23.52 | Industrial | Any anime fans here :o? |
| 23:23.58 | chuckg | I shall have to try out LayoutManager, err FluidFrames immediately! |
| 23:24.32 | Industrial | http://koen.it/~tom/anime |
| 23:24.32 | Industrial | recommendations would be beautiful ^^ |
| 23:24.40 | VoidRaider | FluidFrames sounds good tho :P |
| 23:24.55 | chuckg | No DBZ!? |
| 23:25.08 | Industrial | adding that to the lame list :D |
| 23:25.10 | chuckg | What's the one with the guy who uses his sword backwards? |
| 23:25.16 | chuckg | I used to like that one. |
| 23:25.34 | chuckg | And I loved the Ronin warrior tehemed one from the early 90's. |
| 23:25.44 | chuckg | Like 5 ronin warriors vs bad guy with floating boats. |
| 23:25.58 | chuckg | Who, as it so happens, was a ronin too! |
| 23:26.15 | cladhaire | yeah I liked that one. |
| 23:26.18 | cladhaire | oddly enough |
| 23:26.24 | chuckg | Oh maybe it was called Ronin Warriors. |
| 23:26.25 | chuckg | Haha. |
| 23:26.47 | chuckg | I just liked it because it was the first anime I'd seen and the "flying" background stuff always made me laugh. |
| 23:27.07 | Industrial | http://anidb.info/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=anime&aid=460 |
| 23:27.11 | Industrial | thats so old :o |
| 23:27.23 | Industrial | oldest ive seen is prolly akira |
| 23:27.38 | chuckg | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronin_Warriors |
| 23:27.39 | chuckg | Yep! |
| 23:27.40 | chuckg | That's the one! |
| 23:28.04 | Kirkburn | This is awesome, songs in Simlish - this one is Lily Allen - Smile ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJsZhiOhUVg |
| 23:28.12 | Industrial | chuckg: added. |
| 23:28.35 | chuckg | Ok now what's the one that was on Cartoon Network (recently within the last year) where it's like 5 kids vs the bad guys. |
| 23:28.38 | chuckg | They're in a city with huge walls. |
| 23:28.49 | chuckg | I saw one ep of it, but my nephew loved it. |
| 23:29.09 | chuckg | Coincidentally, so did my niece. |
| 23:29.52 | Karrion | Industrial: have you seen Evangelion? I still haven't worked out whether I liked it or not.. |
| 23:30.19 | Industrial | was that the "oh my god im coming ina giant robot" ? |
| 23:30.31 | Karrion | yeah, pretty much |
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| 23:30.37 | Industrial | no :P |
| 23:30.55 | Karrion | started out well, but then went... just plain weird |
| 23:31.33 | Industrial | yeah |
| 23:33.45 | Corrodias | hmm, i'm not excited about the mining node changes :( |
| 23:33.56 | chuckg | What is it? |
| 23:34.55 | Corrodias | they're making nodes aggro nearby enemies like chests do, plus they're moving around some nodes |
| 23:35.02 | Industrial | :o |
| 23:35.04 | Industrial | ack |
| 23:35.24 | chuckg | Awesome. |
| 23:35.40 | Corrodias | in many cases making them closer to enemies |
| 23:35.52 | Corrodias | well, some. i don't know how many. |
| 23:36.25 | Kaso | just mining or herb too? |
| 23:36.35 | Corrodias | not sure |
| 23:37.14 | Karrion | I'm not excited about having to deal with Ogres in order to pick mana thistle :-( |
| 23:38.52 | Corrodias | although with an epic flying mount, gathering tons of ore is so easy right now... |
| 23:38.56 | Corrodias | so maybe it's a deserved change |
| 23:39.00 | Kaso | Mind soothe wont help if they auto aggro cide |
| 23:39.09 | Cide | true |
| 23:39.11 | Corrodias | well, also with a full database of mineral node locations |
| 23:39.23 | Cide | forgot about that stupid thing :) oh well! I'm not an herbalist anymore anyway... |
| 23:39.28 | Kaso | hehe |
| 23:39.32 | Kaso | mind soothe is overpowered |
| 23:39.52 | Kaso | doing quests where you have to loot nodes surrounded by 4 baddies without fighting anyone <3 |
| 23:40.06 | Cide | hunters still have it easy |
| 23:40.33 | Cide | pet tank 2, trap 1-2, gather, feign death |
| 23:41.09 | Cide | anyway, off to sleep... bye |
| 23:41.29 | Corrodias | i'm sure we'll get used to it |
| 23:41.47 | Corrodias | it's a minor annoyance, but i just HOPE TO GOD that wowhead wipes their database of known node locations in outland |
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| 23:48.11 | Gnarfoz | <chuckg> What's the one with the guy who uses his sword backwards? <-- that'd be Rourouni Kenshin :) |
| 23:48.20 | chuckg | Yarr! |
| 23:48.49 | chuckg | What about the one w/ a city behind some huge walls and the bad guys are trying to get in? |
| 23:48.53 | chuckg | And kids defend it. |
| 23:49.07 | chuckg | Was on cartoon network, maybe, last summer? |
| 23:49.21 | Gnarfoz | durrr |
| 23:49.23 | Gnarfoz | no idea |
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| 23:49.56 | Kirkburn | Rofl - http://jonswift.blogspot.com/2007/04/is-abstinence-only-sex-education-is-too.html |
| 23:53.50 | AnduinLothar | "If more heterosexual students were kept in the dark about their hormonal urges, they would channel their frustrations into sports. Information-free sex education classes would be a boon for high school athletics." |
| 23:53.57 | AnduinLothar | sounds liek perfect logic to me |
| 23:54.49 | Kirkburn | "When kids start experimenting with abstaining, it should be no surprise that things can get out of hand and that they will move on to actually having sex." |
| 23:54.55 | Kirkburn | =) |
| 23:55.16 | Kirkburn | AnduinLothar, well of course :P |
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