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| 00:34.57 | cladhaire | quick, whats raid icon kill order |
| 00:35.14 | cladhaire | 1-5 |
| 00:35.14 | cladhaire | skull, cross, ... |
| 00:35.22 | JoshBorke | star |
| 00:35.24 | Shirik | skull cross diamond triangle condom |
| 00:35.40 | Shirik | is how we do it |
| 00:35.41 | Shirik | star is to mark pats, etc :P |
| 00:35.48 | cladhaire | what are they in the UI? |
| 00:35.49 | cladhaire | anyone know? |
| 00:35.56 | Shirik | there's an order in the UI? |
| 00:35.58 | Kaso | star circle diamond triangle moon square x skull |
| 00:36.09 | cladhaire | hrm.. i'll just assist :P |
| 00:36.10 | cladhaire | thanks |
| 00:36.15 | cladhaire | i forget how my guild does it. |
| 00:37.15 | Kaso | we allways kill the star first, sheep the skull, which is slightly odd |
| 00:37.25 | Shirik | moon is sheep |
| 00:37.28 | Shirik | square is trap |
| 00:37.35 | Shirik | diamond/triangle are alternates like sap/hibernate |
| 00:37.40 | Kaso | Also we never ever use circle for mobs, that resides over one particular player's head |
| 00:37.48 | Shirik | it's condom |
| 00:37.49 | cladhaire | this isn't a cc pull |
| 00:37.50 | Shirik | get the name right |
| 00:37.51 | cladhaire | its a raid pull :P |
| 00:37.51 | Shirik | :P |
| 00:37.56 | Shirik | we still cc in raids :/ |
| 00:37.57 | cladhaire | nipple. |
| 00:38.25 | Kaso | its "cheese" get it right |
| 00:38.30 | Shirik | wtf |
| 00:48.02 | Tain | Nipple? |
| 00:48.20 | Shirik | condom. |
| 00:48.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | i call it circle with pubbies, condom with people i know |
| 00:49.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | too afraid of frivolous reporters |
| 00:49.20 | Shirik | lol |
| 00:49.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | luckily i dont play on an rp server so its not too bad |
| 00:50.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | i do have a char on argent dawn i use to laugh at peoples |
| 00:50.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | flagrsp stuff |
| 00:50.14 | cladhaire | yay first Maulgar for me |
| 00:50.16 | cladhaire | one-shot |
| 00:50.24 | Shirik | I've though about rerolling to a rppvp server |
| 00:50.25 | cladhaire | not that thats really special |
| 00:50.29 | Shirik | grats :) |
| 00:50.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | oneshotted him with a mind blast crit |
| 00:50.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | nerf shadow priests |
| 00:51.25 | Kaso | i have a level 60 on argent dawn >.< |
| 00:51.35 | Kaso | (dont use flag) |
| 00:51.37 | Shirik | Mr_Rabies has probably laughed at you :P |
| 00:54.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | kaso's a goon, he's above such behavior :colbert: |
| 00:55.14 | Kaso | i went on a rp realm cos i though it might be slightly higher iq than other realms, i released it just made trying to find instance groups a pain in the arse |
| 00:55.20 | Kaso | solo ground most the way to 60 :< |
| 00:56.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | rper's arent any higher intelligence, they just think they are |
| 00:56.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | and that's even worse than dealing with the dummies |
| 00:57.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | the general RPer that is |
| 00:57.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | not referring to any of you guys :p |
| 00:57.44 | Xuerian | Kaso: Haha, grouping on AD easier than pvp/normal server? Well yeah, if you get past the drama |
| 00:57.54 | Xuerian | Or were you horde? |
| 00:58.15 | Kaso | i was horde |
| 00:58.17 | Xuerian | ew |
| 00:58.18 | Xuerian | pain |
| 00:58.21 | Kaso | and the drama puts me off :> |
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| 00:58.56 | Xuerian | Yeaah... Should'a been on alliance and seen the horrors there ;P |
| 01:02.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah rp servers seem to be filled to the brim with the drama queens with persecution complexes |
| 01:03.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | that or just emo kids |
| 01:03.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | seriously, install flag rsp and hop on AD one day |
| 01:03.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's hilarious |
| 01:04.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | Darkjester Souleater |
| 01:04.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | Illidari Berserker (or you know, night elf rogue) |
| 01:05.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | Darkjesster is a 9 foot tall doomguard with a missing left eye. Words words words emo crap blah blah |
| 01:06.13 | Xuerian | Flashbacks >.o |
| 01:09.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://img.waffleimages.com/8c8680faeccbbbefd08fafab375b2b8e2923b29c/WoWScrnShot_061906_213003.jpg |
| 01:09.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | case in poiny |
| 01:09.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | case in pony |
| 01:09.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | :O |
| 01:10.00 | Kaso | I have this inbuilt reaction to stop reading when i see "Half demon" |
| 01:14.18 | Industrial | http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=1764.new#new |
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| 01:37.54 | Tain | God fucking damnit my Tivo didn't record Heroes. Sone of a fucking filthy whore. |
| 01:37.56 | Xuerian | THE TIVIOS ARE REPRODUCING! THE WORLD IS COMING TO A END! |
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| 01:48.52 | Kaydeethree | gah. stupid xchat. connect to a US freenode server. |
| 01:48.54 | Berkz | when a function is "local" does it work only within that specific .lua or only within that specific addon ? |
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| 01:49.07 | cladhaire | Berkz: the file |
| 01:49.12 | Berkz | ok |
| 01:49.15 | cladhaire | or chunk |
| 01:49.21 | Kaso | within that "block of code, which could be a do -> end block a function or a file |
| 01:49.25 | cladhaire | if you're wrapping it in do end, or some other scope block |
| 01:49.30 | Kaso | damn clad beat me :> |
| 01:49.31 | cladhaire | lol |
| 01:49.33 | Berkz | hehe |
| 01:49.37 | Berkz | thx :) |
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| 02:04.43 | Shirik | if I see one more person requesting a specific addon and demanding it be Ace2 based, I think I'm going to shoot someone |
| 02:04.55 | JoshBorke | no need to get violent |
| 02:04.56 | JoshBorke | nn all |
| 02:05.03 | Xuerian | o/ |
| 02:05.03 | Shirik | night JoshBorke |
| 02:05.08 | Xuerian | Shirik: I don't feel the love |
| 02:05.51 | Shirik | http://www.woostercollective.com/events/img/Feel%20the%20Love%20copy.JPG |
| 02:05.56 | Tain | I heard Blizzard was basing WoW on Ace2 in the next patch. |
| 02:06.03 | Shirik | Tain |
| 02:06.05 | Shirik | that's not funny |
| 02:06.24 | Thunder_Child | heh |
| 02:06.29 | Thunder_Child | yes it is |
| 02:06.36 | Xuerian | rofl. |
| 02:06.43 | Xuerian | You're the only one left, Shirik |
| 02:06.51 | Xuerian | Resistance is futile. |
| 02:06.56 | Tain | My bitterness at missing Heroes tonight knows no bounds. |
| 02:06.58 | Shirik | Only if ohm < 1 |
| 02:07.03 | Shirik | My ohm == 25000 |
| 02:07.47 | Shirik | I think |
| 02:07.49 | Shirik | seriously |
| 02:07.56 | Shirik | if I converted RDX to Ace |
| 02:08.02 | Shirik | not only would it take me a year, it would be twice as slow >< |
| 02:08.43 | Shirik | or maybe I'll do what half of the other ace authors do |
| 02:08.52 | Shirik | Take my addon, throw in the ace library and say it's better |
| 02:09.01 | Shirik | without doing anything ^^ |
| 02:09.29 | Xuerian | Shirik: Lovely stereotypes. What's funnier is it actually happens, and you care :P |
| 02:10.09 | Shirik | why shouldn't I care? I'd like to see the addon community improve |
| 02:10.24 | Shirik | And I'm not knocking Ace, but I'm saying there are some authors out there that haven't the slightest idea what they're doing or why they're doing it |
| 02:10.36 | Xuerian | And they only exist inside the Ace community? |
| 02:10.40 | Shirik | oh hell no |
| 02:11.00 | Xuerian | We're just the ones that get knocked as a whole for it ;) |
| 02:11.05 | Shirik | but you have to admit that, and I've made this argument before, Ace attracts newer users |
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| 02:11.08 | Shirik | which isn't entirely a bad thing |
| 02:11.14 | Xuerian | Granted, some idiots go off and rip addons wholesale... They're retards for it |
| 02:11.14 | Shirik | users being programmers |
| 02:11.56 | ckknight | I was a user once |
| 02:12.01 | Shirik | lol |
| 02:12.02 | ckknight | but I got off the stuff |
| 02:12.15 | ckknight | it was a long recovery process |
| 02:12.30 | Shirik | purl, hug ckknight |
| 02:12.46 | purl | ACTION jumps into ckknight's lap and huggles and *hugs* ckknight |
| 02:12.46 | Kaydeethree | ls |
| 02:12.46 | Kaydeethree | gah |
| 02:12.47 | Shirik | ls -la |
| 02:12.47 | Kaso | <Xuerian> And they only exist inside the Ace community? -- Inside the Ace Community their crappy programming is somehow considered "better" cos it has the ace2 tag :> |
| 02:12.54 | Xuerian | Haha. |
| 02:13.02 | Shirik | Kaydeethree! Use long lists! |
| 02:13.31 | Shirik | It makes you look smarter |
| 02:13.38 | Shirik | when your boss is looking over your shoulder |
| 02:13.48 | Shirik | and he sees a bunch of drwxr-xr-- all over the place |
| 02:14.00 | Kaydeethree | if I wanna look smart I'll just start a wine compile real quick |
| 02:14.07 | Shirik | haha |
| 02:15.04 | Kaso | god, i remeber when i last compiled wine, "it cant take *that* long" i said to myself |
| 02:15.17 | Kaydeethree | wine's got more lines of code than the kernel does |
| 02:15.39 | Shirik | well that's because it's got to implement like all of the windows apis |
| 02:15.46 | Kaydeethree | I'm just glad fedora's finally caught up, I don't have to build my own any more |
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| 02:22.42 | Shirik | what's the name of that mod that's like necrosis for priests? |
| 02:22.47 | Shirik | thought I might check it out |
| 02:24.53 | Kaydeethree | serenity |
| 02:24.59 | Shirik | that's it, thanks :) |
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| 02:34.31 | Neuro_Medivh | btw, Tain... NBC plays Heroes on their website |
| 02:34.48 | cladhaire | anyone good at CSS? |
| 02:34.52 | cladhaire | troubleshooting in particular? |
| 02:35.02 | Xuerian | Clad: pastey |
| 02:35.09 | cladhaire | its not the css thats the issue |
| 02:35.11 | Kaydeethree | in general, kinda. working around IE bugs, not so much |
| 02:35.12 | cladhaire | its what its doing =) |
| 02:35.24 | Shirik | kinda |
| 02:35.27 | Shirik | shoot me it |
| 02:35.30 | cladhaire | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:35.36 | cladhaire | thats how the theme is supposed to look |
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| 02:35.41 | cladhaire | forgive the fact that it needs work |
| 02:35.43 | cladhaire | its a good base. |
| 02:35.45 | trik | anyone able to log in? |
| 02:35.52 | Kaydeethree | auth servers are down |
| 02:35.52 | cladhaire | pay attention to the bottom |
| 02:35.59 | Shirik | ok that's what it's supposed to look like |
| 02:36.01 | cladhaire | yep |
| 02:36.16 | cladhaire | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:36.18 | Shirik | actually looks nice |
| 02:36.29 | cladhaire | the only issue, is the white getting bumped down/out |
| 02:36.34 | Shirik | ok |
| 02:36.35 | cladhaire | below the tan, |
| 02:36.40 | cladhaire | trying to figure out WHAT element is doing it. |
| 02:36.48 | Shirik | got firefox? |
| 02:36.52 | cladhaire | i have |
| 02:36.53 | cladhaire | yeah |
| 02:37.04 | Shirik | I show you a cool little tool if I find the problem :) |
| 02:37.07 | cladhaire | i have the tool |
| 02:37.10 | cladhaire | its not helping :P |
| 02:37.29 | cladhaire | I can't get that element to get highlighted by itself. |
| 02:37.32 | cladhaire | its part of #container |
| 02:37.32 | Shirik | it looks like div #container is too big |
| 02:37.40 | Shirik | oh is it not? |
| 02:38.08 | Kaydeethree | #bottom's not all the way at the bottom, or #container's too big |
| 02:38.17 | Shirik | oh |
| 02:38.18 | cladhaire | okay, so its like i thought |
| 02:38.21 | cladhaire | #container is the issue. |
| 02:38.28 | Shirik | also |
| 02:38.30 | Shirik | .footer |
| 02:38.40 | Shirik | is set position top = 953px |
| 02:38.46 | Shirik | and #container is sized as 953px high |
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| 02:39.18 | Shirik | but .footer is a child of #container |
| 02:39.20 | cladhaire | i can't find container on the one that works correctly |
| 02:39.20 | Shirik | those don't add up |
| 02:39.21 | cladhaire | lol |
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| 02:39.30 | cladhaire | i can't isolate the #container element |
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| 02:39.42 | Shirik | hm, I can |
| 02:39.50 | cladhaire | on the "good" one? |
| 02:40.02 | Shirik | oh |
| 02:40.04 | Shirik | let's see |
| 02:40.10 | cladhaire | i'm trying to go off that one |
| 02:40.13 | cladhaire | and figure out what the bad one needs to be |
| 02:40.25 | cladhaire | cause i dont see container getting directly altered in the second style sheet |
| 02:40.40 | Xuerian | cladhaire: One problem, perhaps, margin-top: 4em; ? |
| 02:40.43 | Shirik | yeah I can't >< |
| 02:41.06 | Shirik | oop I got it |
| 02:41.08 | Xuerian | Tick it off in firebug |
| 02:41.17 | cladhaire | okay found it |
| 02:41.20 | cladhaire | container is the whole brown thing |
| 02:41.24 | cladhaire | or it should be |
| 02:41.27 | Kaydeethree | lmao, we're all using firebug to look at the page |
| 02:41.37 | cladhaire | i'm not using firebug |
| 02:41.37 | cladhaire | heh |
| 02:41.46 | cladhaire | i'm using the web developers toolkit for firefox |
| 02:41.47 | Kaydeethree | clad: theme.css, line 56. look for "margin-top: 4em;" and sisable it |
| 02:41.51 | Xuerian | cladhaire: Get both. |
| 02:41.52 | Xuerian | er |
| 02:41.55 | Xuerian | well, firebug too |
| 02:41.59 | Shirik | yeah cladhaire |
| 02:42.01 | Shirik | I use the two together |
| 02:42.06 | Shirik | firebug + web developers toolbar |
| 02:42.12 | Shirik | so hawt together |
| 02:42.16 | Xuerian | Edit css/edit html/view topo info = win |
| 02:42.24 | cladhaire | is there a single line comment in css? |
| 02:42.27 | Xuerian | # |
| 02:42.31 | cladhaire | thx |
| 02:42.59 | cladhaire | woot |
| 02:43.01 | cladhaire | almost:P |
| 02:43.04 | cladhaire | now there's a single white line |
| 02:43.35 | Xuerian | position: relative; bottom: -1px; XD |
| 02:43.51 | Shirik | noooooo |
| 02:44.05 | Shirik | cladhaire of all people knows not to do hacks like that >< |
| 02:44.13 | Xuerian | I was joking 0_o |
| 02:44.28 | cladhaire | lol |
| 02:44.29 | cladhaire | its not my sheet |
| 02:44.34 | cladhaire | and it had a 1px border on the top |
| 02:44.38 | Xuerian | I bet it's not your stylesheet either |
| 02:44.38 | cladhaire | in .footer |
| 02:44.40 | Xuerian | <.< |
| 02:44.46 | cladhaire | success! |
| 02:44.48 | Xuerian | Oh damn, missed that |
| 02:44.48 | cladhaire | yatta! |
| 02:45.30 | cladhaire | thanks guys :P |
| 02:45.37 | cladhaire | now.. if anyone has any suggestions for a graphic on the top |
| 02:45.41 | cladhaire | lemme know :P |
| 02:45.48 | cladhaire | cause weird flowers arent really.. me |
| 02:45.52 | Shirik | haha |
| 02:46.16 | Xuerian | it isn't about the flowers, but aieee, get some red eye reduction asap x.x |
| 02:46.27 | cladhaire | yay for dancing glowstick asians :P http://artificialtruth.com/v/friends/parties/halloween2002/Halloween+Party+2002+011.jpg.html |
| 02:46.43 | Xuerian | lol. |
| 02:46.44 | cladhaire | Xuerian: these pictures (for the most part) were taken, while extremely drunk, in a basement, with a $150.00 fuji point and shoot |
| 02:46.47 | Shirik | rofl |
| 02:46.51 | cladhaire | my real camera shots will be going up later |
| 02:46.55 | Xuerian | :P |
| 02:47.03 | cladhaire | also |
| 02:47.06 | cladhaire | angel clad: http://artificialtruth.com/v/friends/parties/halloween2002/Halloween+Party+2002+017.jpg.html |
| 02:47.14 | cladhaire | i'm the boy |
| 02:47.19 | Shirik | aaaaaaaaagggggggg |
| 02:47.23 | Shirik | if I die |
| 02:47.27 | Shirik | I'm gonna be pissed |
| 02:47.32 | Xuerian | Oh. |
| 02:47.32 | Shirik | stupid server kicked me off :( |
| 02:47.35 | Xuerian | I thought that was a scream of horror |
| 02:47.47 | Shirik | no |
| 02:47.50 | Shirik | just a psychic scream |
| 02:47.59 | Xuerian | :P |
| 02:48.01 | Xuerian | Nice, Clad. |
| 02:48.16 | Shirik | hehe |
| 02:48.17 | Shirik | angel clad |
| 02:48.25 | Xuerian | Cheapass with Gallery2. Real men write their own gallery system =O |
| 02:48.25 | Kaydeethree | zomg, red eye filter |
| 02:48.45 | cladhaire | Xuerian: meh.. it was either gallery or flickr |
| 02:48.45 | Xuerian | It's purty though.... |
| 02:48.51 | cladhaire | this is just a personal blog for my family and friends |
| 02:48.56 | cladhaire | the tech blog is straight drupal =) |
| 02:49.02 | Xuerian | :P |
| 02:49.04 | cladhaire | empty, but drupal |
| 02:49.09 | Shirik | drupal ftw |
| 02:49.15 | Xuerian | Heheh. |
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| 02:55.04 | Berkz | any way I can supress output from a certain addon ? |
| 02:55.22 | Kaydeethree | modify the source |
| 02:55.38 | Shirik | hooking ftw |
| 02:55.41 | Berkz | yeah that's just it.. not enough skill... |
| 02:55.42 | Kaydeethree | that's about the only way I can turn off all of the startup spam |
| 02:56.19 | Berkz | I got an addon that changes action bars based on events now I got bartender spitting ouput every time it makes a change |
| 02:56.32 | Shirik | find where it spits that message |
| 02:56.42 | Berkz | been trying |
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| 02:56.55 | Kaydeethree | yay for not getting a beta version of bt3 from the svn? |
| 02:57.30 | Berkz | the text that it outputs can't be found in the .lua files themselves i think it's hokked into some ace thing |
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| 02:58.21 | Thunder_Child | ~seen Guillotine |
| 02:58.53 | purl | guillotine is currently on #wowi-lounge (32m 15s) #norganna (32m 15s) #wowace (32m 15s), last said: '<3 purl'. |
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| 03:14.11 | Guillotine | who pinged me? |
| 03:14.50 | Shirik | 22:58:46 ‹Thunder_Child› ~seen Guillotine |
| 03:15.18 | Guillotine | ya, I saw :P it was kind of like a "WHO DARE PING THE GREAT GUILLOTINE" type of "who pinged me?" |
| 03:15.32 | Shirik | lol |
| 03:15.34 | Thunder_Child | .... |
| 03:15.51 | Thunder_Child | "please move over to the msg window" |
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| 03:21.04 | cladhaire | Shirik: Xuerian: One last question if you don't mind |
| 03:21.14 | Xuerian | Go for it |
| 03:21.22 | Shirik | sorry, you've used up all your questions |
| 03:21.43 | Shirik | =) |
| 03:21.45 | cladhaire | http://artificialtruth.com/wp-gallery2.php |
| 03:21.53 | cladhaire | the anchors in the embeded gallery |
| 03:21.57 | cladhaire | i want to selectively color them |
| 03:23.45 | cladhaire | could I a.gallery-album? |
| 03:23.45 | cladhaire | its been so long since i've mucked about with shit like this :P |
| 03:23.45 | Xuerian | .gallery-album a |
| 03:23.45 | Xuerian | actually, .gallery-thumb a |
| 03:23.46 | cladhaire | for the text of the gallery links? |
| 03:23.46 | cladhaire | i.e. Family anf Friends? |
| 03:23.57 | Xuerian | Ouh.. |
| 03:24.08 | Xuerian | Well no, you're right, .gallery-album |
| 03:24.39 | cladhaire | hrm.. can't get it to stop being brown |
| 03:24.40 | cladhaire | =/ |
| 03:24.41 | Xuerian | specifically, .gallery-album h4 a |
| 03:24.45 | cladhaire | hrm |
| 03:24.47 | cladhaire | ok |
| 03:24.47 | cladhaire | lemme try that |
| 03:25.13 | Xuerian | .gallery-album h4 a { color: #f0f !important; } |
| 03:26.27 | cladhaire | okay, and I can do the same for the hover? |
| 03:26.37 | cladhaire | actually, the hover was the same color |
| 03:26.39 | cladhaire | so this works great |
| 03:27.38 | cladhaire | appreciate the help |
| 03:27.49 | cladhaire | when did !important come about |
| 03:27.51 | Xuerian | When you have (element/class/id) (element/class/id) (element/class/id) { }, you're saying you want the last element, but only when it's a descendant (not necessarily direct) of all preceeding, in order. So you can add psudo-classes to it directly just like any css definition |
| 03:27.55 | cladhaire | i see it in my reference guide, but dont remember it from when I actually used to do this stuff on a daily basis. |
| 03:28.10 | Kaydeethree | !important's just an override. it's been around forever afaict |
| 03:28.20 | Xuerian | !important forces the style to escape the cascade sequence, any definitions closer to the element are discarded in favor of it |
| 03:28.31 | cladhaire | great |
| 03:28.34 | cladhaire | thanks guys =) |
| 03:28.41 | Shirik | but |
| 03:28.43 | Shirik | like many things |
| 03:28.52 | Shirik | while !important has its uses, overuse of it is bad form ;) |
| 03:28.56 | cladhaire | indeed |
| 03:29.00 | Xuerian | Of course :p |
| 03:29.13 | cladhaire | it sucks that these two software packages use conflicting classes all over the place |
| 03:29.15 | cladhaire | but its reasonable :P |
| 03:29.16 | Xuerian | Handy when you're working on a wordpress template, though :p |
| 03:29.16 | Kaydeethree | unless you're just hacking around with the forums css to disable most of the crap |
| 03:29.37 | Shirik | lol |
| 03:29.53 | cladhaire | now to finish uploading the other 8.5 gigs of photos |
| 03:29.55 | cladhaire | *sigh* |
| 03:29.59 | Xuerian | ... |
| 03:30.00 | Xuerian | o.o |
| 03:30.08 | Shirik | um |
| 03:30.10 | Shirik | you have fun with that |
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| 03:36.42 | batrick | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=102918129&sid=1 |
| 03:39.02 | Shirik | night clad|sleep |
| 03:40.36 | clad|sleep | night |
| 03:44.24 | Kaydeethree | http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/7841/gkrellshoot051407232932de7.jpg |
| 03:44.28 | Kaydeethree | ah for the power of firefox plugins |
| 03:44.54 | Shirik | woot! |
| 03:44.56 | Shirik | I'm in that screenshot :D |
| 03:50.11 | Neuro_Medivh | what is that background? Looks like some anime |
| 03:50.32 | Shirik | yeh |
| 03:50.42 | Kaydeethree | an off-center pic of midori from green green. gimme a sec, I'll put it on imageshack |
| 03:50.46 | Kaydeethree | it's been my desktop for years |
| 03:50.49 | Shirik | ah! |
| 03:50.50 | Shirik | I knew it! |
| 03:51.30 | Neuro_Medivh | question, is Poly still not healing on test? |
| 03:51.48 | Kaydeethree | they fixed that in the second build |
| 03:51.59 | Kaydeethree | shame |
| 03:52.03 | Kaydeethree | I wanted to be op for a change |
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| 03:55.25 | Kaydeethree | http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/5365/200402190205934zo3.jpg |
| 03:57.00 | Kaydeethree | I really need to see if I can find the source to that, the version I have's showing all kinds of artifacting around the kanji |
| 03:57.25 | Neebler | ahhh blur is bad! |
| 03:57.43 | Xuerian | Neebler: Don't you know? Glow and blur is the newest thing! |
| 03:58.05 | Xuerian | http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=224 |
| 04:01.02 | Neebler | haha nice comic |
| 04:02.07 | Neebler | but I refuse to read that comic on a regular basis, for fear of it turning me into a furfag |
| 04:02.25 | Neebler | they immensely frighten me |
| 04:06.38 | Xuerian | Haha. That one won't turn you. |
| 04:06.44 | Xuerian | There's ones you should be afraid of, yes :P |
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| 04:41.46 | Corrodias | so here's what i wonder |
| 04:42.03 | Corrodias | hunter pets are now getting +armor and +stamina bonuses from the hunter's gear (although it's only a percentage of it) |
| 04:42.21 | Shirik | and resistance |
| 04:42.22 | Shirik | yes |
| 04:42.22 | Corrodias | should i therefore spend the points on higher resistances instead of +armor? |
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| 04:42.30 | Shirik | you get resist too |
| 04:42.52 | Corrodias | okay, but the pet won't have any natural resistance unless i put points into it |
| 04:42.58 | Shirik | correct |
| 04:43.03 | Corrodias | while he does get some armor |
| 04:43.08 | Shirik | and it can help sometimes |
| 04:43.20 | Shirik | personally I have something like 75 fr on my pet |
| 04:43.22 | Shirik | from TP |
| 04:43.33 | Corrodias | i forget, what's the cost to respec a pet? |
| 04:43.39 | Shirik | oh god I don't know |
| 04:43.41 | Shirik | it's not much |
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| 04:58.38 | JunkHead-Work | Hello. |
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| 05:17.09 | Shirik | hello. |
| 05:17.13 | Shirik | nick Shirik|Fooding |
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| 05:21.33 | JunkHead-Work | Hi Shirik|Fooding |
| 05:24.59 | Corrodias | http://fun.drno.de/flash/howto_turn_windows_into_linux.swf |
| 05:25.51 | Corrodias | quite amusing |
| 05:30.56 | Neebler | hah! they show freenode! |
| 05:31.13 | Neebler | and here I thought slashnet was the preferred linux geek irc server |
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| 05:37.48 | Thunder_Child | heh, not i want to /msg porn muffin "that was great" but it might give out the wrong impression |
| 05:39.06 | Corrodias | you'd be messaging "porn" a message starting with "muffin" |
| 05:44.46 | Shirik|Fooding | wtf |
| 05:44.58 | Shirik | 01:25:18 * Xuerian read it was Shirik|Fondling |
| 05:44.59 | Shirik | -_- |
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| 05:46.54 | Shirik | heh |
| 05:47.00 | Shirik | Corrodias, that was actualy a bit amusing |
| 05:47.29 | Corrodias | i was entertained |
| 05:48.08 | Shirik | I especially liked the "make sure some of them start with a dot and some of them end with a d" |
| 05:48.13 | Shirik | even though those have meanings >.> |
| 05:49.29 | Corrodias | >:) |
| 05:50.00 | Thunder_Child | ofc |
| 05:53.17 | Tem | Let's get some shoes |
| 05:54.08 | Shirik | shoes? |
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| 06:28.59 | Shirik | holy crap |
| 06:29.11 | Shirik | Cairenn|afk, clad|sleep, dolby-wowi, one of you on? |
| 06:33.11 | Corrodias | no, but i am |
| 06:33.18 | Shirik | yeah but you're useless |
| 06:33.24 | Shirik | :D |
| 06:33.32 | zenzelezz | takes one to know one |
| 06:33.42 | Shirik | a useless? |
| 06:33.55 | Shirik | nah actually I was looking for a moderator :/ |
| 06:34.06 | Shirik | and... |
| 06:34.11 | Xuerian | Shirik: What's the dirty? :D |
| 06:34.11 | Shirik | fel reaver splatted me while I'm talking here |
| 06:34.20 | Xuerian | Aside from the splatted you. |
| 06:36.00 | krka|work | my computer spontaneously died last night... can anyone identify these symptoms: monitor doesn't get a signal, booting the computer makes the usual sounds, but i don't think it ever boots up the OS, because i can't ssh to it |
| 06:36.15 | Shirik | you spilled surge on the CPU |
| 06:36.21 | Shirik | video card* |
| 06:36.33 | zenzelezz | sounds like my IRC computer, may it rest in piece |
| 06:36.42 | zenzelezz | at least until the replacement motherboard gets here |
| 06:36.50 | Thunder_Child | have you tried switching out monitors? |
| 06:37.02 | Shirik | the fact that he can't ssh to it would imply that's not the problem |
| 06:37.04 | Xuerian | krka|work: What unusual sounds? |
| 06:37.15 | Thunder_Child | usual not unusual |
| 06:37.17 | zenzelezz | usual |
| 06:37.17 | krka|work | not unusual - usual |
| 06:37.20 | zenzelezz | dah dah doooo |
| 06:37.20 | Xuerian | Oh. |
| 06:37.21 | Xuerian | >.> |
| 06:37.23 | Shirik | krka|work: so get you get one POST beep, etc. |
| 06:37.32 | krka|work | Thunder_Child, yup, tried changing motherboards |
| 06:38.00 | krka|work | Shirik, i haven't plugged in the pc speaker so i am not sure, but all the other sounds are familiar |
| 06:38.02 | Thunder_Child | fastest way to tell is to switch out peice by peice |
| 06:38.04 | krka|work | hard disk, fan, et.c. |
| 06:38.13 | krka|work | yeah, i just dont have enough pieces |
| 06:38.18 | Thunder_Child | ah |
| 06:38.20 | Corrodias | start with the video card |
| 06:38.21 | krka|work | i think |
| 06:38.35 | Thunder_Child | sounds like the video is integrated |
| 06:38.39 | Thunder_Child | ? |
| 06:38.45 | zenzelezz | my monitor works on other computers, and other monitors don't work on the IRC computer; it was weird |
| 06:38.48 | krka|work | am i correct to believe that i should always get a boot screen if video card and motherboard are ok? |
| 06:38.53 | krka|work | no, it's an AGP card |
| 06:38.54 | zenzelezz | then the first replacement motherboard arrived, DOA x.x |
| 06:39.10 | Shirik | krka|work |
| 06:39.17 | krka|work | oops.... i mistyped earlier, i meant to say "yup tried changing monitors" |
| 06:39.29 | Thunder_Child | ah, ok, not it makes sense |
| 06:39.32 | Thunder_Child | now* |
| 06:39.33 | Shirik | the only used POST failure codes these days |
| 06:39.42 | Corrodias | if the motherboard, monitor, video card, and all associated cables are working, i believe you should get some screen, yes. unless the RAM isn't in right. |
| 06:39.57 | Corrodias | i think a RAM or CPU problem could prevent you from getting anywhere, yeah |
| 06:39.58 | Thunder_Child | mine has an LCD display to show problems...what a waste of money |
| 06:39.59 | krka|work | doesn't it say something like: error, no memory on the boot screen? |
| 06:40.02 | Shirik | sorry |
| 06:40.06 | Shirik | only used POST codes anymore |
| 06:40.06 | krka|work | right |
| 06:40.12 | krka|work | could be a busted processor i guess |
| 06:40.23 | Shirik | are video failure, RAM failure, and CPU failure |
| 06:40.33 | Corrodias | well, when i first put this PC together, everything was fine, except for errors and crashes |
| 06:40.33 | zenzelezz | mine just has a hex-display on the motherboard |
| 06:40.34 | Shirik | so you can pretty much assume it's one of those three |
| 06:40.45 | krka|work | or mainboard failure? |
| 06:40.55 | krka|work | but that seems kinda unlikely |
| 06:40.59 | Shirik | well, yeah, but you probably wouldn't get a POST code in that situation :P |
| 06:41.00 | Corrodias | i updated the BIOS with a quick flash and then it didn't want to boot. i figured out that at some point they decided to require the RAM to be in slot 1 and mine wasn't. |
| 06:41.05 | krka|work | i had a mainboard with busted caps before, but it atleast booted |
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| 06:41.59 | Shirik | plugging in the system speaker would help :) |
| 06:42.12 | krka|work | i should just pick up a cheap card... if that's not the problem i can atleast give it to my girlfriend so she'll be happy with me |
| 06:42.15 | krka|work | win-win situation |
| 06:42.28 | krka|work | Shirik, yeah i'll do that when i get home from work today |
| 06:43.42 | Shirik | I like my board |
| 06:43.49 | Shirik | I don't really know how it does it |
| 06:44.08 | Shirik | but you don't need the pc speaker |
| 06:44.08 | Shirik | it comes out of your main computer speakers |
| 06:44.10 | Shirik | with an actual voice too o.o |
| 06:44.11 | krka|work | oh, nice |
| 06:44.16 | krka|work | built in sound then? |
| 06:44.19 | Shirik | it actually says "RAM failed POST test" |
| 06:44.22 | Shirik | yeah :( |
| 06:44.27 | Shirik | I have an X-Fi actually |
| 06:44.33 | Shirik | it just sits in there collecting dust |
| 06:46.56 | krka|work | ooh... i could try my video card in my gfs computer, if that boots the card is probably fine |
| 06:47.06 | krka|work | then it would just be ram or processor |
| 06:47.25 | krka|work | and i have two sticks, i could try with just one of them in |
| 06:47.34 | krka|work | they shouldn't both be busted, right? |
| 06:47.43 | Shirik | one would hope |
| 06:48.26 | krka|work | i wonder if they still sell processors that match my mainboard |
| 07:19.32 | Shirik | poor dolby-wowi :( |
| 07:20.01 | Shirik | he's the first admin on so he has to clean up all the mess |
| 07:22.25 | Xuerian | What mess? o.0 |
| 07:22.25 | Xuerian | Linksies |
| 07:22.25 | Shirik | was some spammer on wowi posted a thread in just about every forum |
| 07:22.26 | Xuerian | well fine. Don't link me =O |
| 07:22.26 | Shirik | wowinterface.com? |
| 07:22.26 | Xuerian | Not good enough. |
| 07:22.26 | Xuerian | Fail. >_> |
| 07:22.26 | Xuerian | Aw damn. |
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| 07:22.27 | Xuerian | Got them already. |
| 07:24.59 | Corrodias | my druid, before 2.0, had a feral/restoration spec |
| 07:25.17 | Corrodias | totally unviable these days, but i'm amazed i got along back then, too |
| 07:25.48 | Shirik | here's your link: http://www.crashie.com/ |
| 07:25.55 | Shirik | p.s. don't click that if you're on IE |
| 07:26.04 | Xuerian | :P |
| 07:26.32 | Nerinia | Yay, IE7 survived! :) |
| 07:26.49 | Shirik | it's like |
| 07:26.53 | Shirik | the one thing they fixed in IE7 |
| 07:26.57 | Shirik | when they broke everything else |
| 07:27.30 | dolby-wowi | :( |
| 07:28.07 | Shirik | ~hug dolby-wowi |
| 07:28.26 | purl | ACTION jumps into dolby-wowi's lap and huggles and *hugs* dolby-wowi |
| 07:28.30 | Shirik | please excuse purl, she has to wake up |
| 07:28.48 | dolby-wowi | lol |
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| 07:41.52 | Shirik | http://forums.worldofwar.net/showthread.php?t=395333 o.o |
| 07:43.26 | Xuerian | nifty to know that they *can* do that... |
| 07:43.41 | Xuerian | well... have the functionality built in, I should say |
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| 09:27.30 | Vangual | aren't the spamreport functions accessible in the newest ptr? or is it an addon that doesn't make em appear for me |
| 09:28.02 | Shirik | no idea, I haven't seen them myself |
| 09:28.04 | Shirik | are you using prat? |
| 09:28.25 | Vangual | yea |
| 09:28.35 | Shirik | that may overwrite it |
| 09:29.00 | Vangual | i'm seeing the "report spam" from spamsentry, but disabling that there's no new entry in the rightclick-on-name dropdown |
| 09:29.16 | Vangual | aha |
| 09:34.35 | Vangual | heh, they've upped the alchemy spec unlearn price to 150g but still haven't actually made it work, sigh |
| 09:35.50 | Corrodias | i think i kinda like the hunter class |
| 09:36.01 | Corrodias | now if only i didn't dislike my troll, who is my hunter... |
| 09:36.02 | Shirik | damn right you do |
| 09:36.23 | Corrodias | he looks ugly and runs oddly |
| 09:36.48 | Corrodias | i'm just hoping a change of armor (he hasn't changed any gear in many months, since i've barely played him) will improve my outlook on him |
| 09:37.13 | Shirik | I'm thinking about making an addon |
| 09:37.19 | Shirik | so that when I go below 5% hp |
| 09:37.31 | Shirik | I say "If you strike me down, I will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine" |
| 09:37.53 | Nerinia | "... for 15 seconds. :(" ? ;) |
| 09:37.58 | Shirik | meh |
| 09:38.02 | Shirik | I can leave that part out |
| 09:39.34 | Corrodias | can you speak in spirit healer form? because they you could say "told you so" |
| 09:39.42 | Shirik | hm, duno |
| 09:39.47 | Nerinia | Yup, you can. |
| 09:39.58 | Nerinia | I always cry :( |
| 09:40.03 | Shirik | haha |
| 09:40.28 | Shirik | hm |
| 09:40.34 | Shirik | does the combat log say who killed you? |
| 09:40.42 | Shirik | it just says "You die." right? |
| 09:41.03 | JunkHead-Work | Can you /fart in spirit healer form? |
| 09:41.12 | JunkHead-Work | Because what would a ghost fart smell like? |
| 09:41.19 | Shirik | wtf |
| 09:41.24 | JunkHead-Work | :) |
| 09:41.27 | Shirik | who thinks this in their spare time >< |
| 09:43.51 | Shirik | wtf?! |
| 09:43.54 | Shirik | I attack this movb |
| 09:44.00 | Shirik | and he says |
| 09:44.09 | JunkHead-Work | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muyqMrsuLXw |
| 09:44.17 | Shirik | "death to the interlopers" |
| 09:44.51 | Vangual | nice, useing heartstone on ptr disconnects you |
| 09:44.55 | Shirik | haha |
| 09:45.10 | Vangual | i r no speedhax0r |
| 09:45.33 | Corrodias | i love ptr |
| 09:45.59 | Shirik | guess that means no 2.1 tonight then |
| 09:46.37 | Corrodias | seems unlikely |
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| 09:49.02 | Shirik | I just finished my first quest in outlands on my priest |
| 09:49.02 | Shirik | and the DPS on my wand doubled |
| 09:49.02 | Corrodias | by magic? |
| 09:49.02 | Shirik | no, the upgrade >.> |
| 09:49.10 | JunkHead-Work | What lvl is your priest? |
| 09:49.17 | Shirik | 58 |
| 09:49.25 | JunkHead-Work | I need to get my mage up a bit. |
| 09:49.34 | JunkHead-Work | She is in outland but kinda low to solo stuff. |
| 09:49.37 | JunkHead-Work | She's only 56. |
| 09:50.18 | Corrodias | l2p, man, l2p. |
| 09:50.23 | Corrodias | or should i say learn2frost |
| 09:50.31 | JunkHead-Work | Oh I mean, I can do it, but it's just slow. |
| 09:50.32 | Shirik | lol |
| 09:50.36 | JunkHead-Work | I was frist. |
| 09:50.39 | JunkHead-Work | frost* |
| 09:50.39 | Corrodias | i can give you that |
| 09:50.40 | Shirik | frist |
| 09:50.44 | JunkHead-Work | I respecced a while back. |
| 09:51.01 | JunkHead-Work | I had fun in ramparts with her though. |
| 09:51.20 | JunkHead-Work | She was 55 at the time and was on sheep duty. |
| 09:51.29 | JunkHead-Work | That was always interesting.:P |
| 09:52.13 | Corrodias | i'm not particularly experienced with mages... |
| 09:52.22 | Corrodias | but won't it be easier to kill higher-level mobs with a frost spec? |
| 09:52.54 | JunkHead-Work | Not sure. |
| 09:53.03 | JunkHead-Work | I deal respectable damage as arcane. |
| 09:53.15 | JunkHead-Work | frost would make it safer. |
| 09:53.17 | Corrodias | oh, one of THOSE mages |
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| 09:53.36 | JunkHead-Work | ? |
| 09:53.59 | Corrodias | arcane |
| 09:54.20 | Nom- | It's like |
| 09:54.23 | Nom- | mt |
| 09:55.29 | JunkHead-Work | Arcane is fun. |
| 09:55.45 | JunkHead-Work | Huuuge mana pool, but I burn through it fast if I spam Arcane Missles. |
| 09:55.52 | Corrodias | i'm going to bed and dreaming about playing a hunter that doesn't make me feel nauseous when i look at him |
| 09:55.58 | Corrodias | 'ni |
| 09:56.19 | neighborhood | hi |
| 09:56.38 | JunkHead-Work | Good luck witht hat hunter dream. |
| 09:56.47 | neighborhood | i'm new to lua, can anyone help me out? |
| 09:57.55 | JunkHead-Work | I can't. I don't know a thing about coding. |
| 09:58.02 | Shirik | what do you need |
| 09:58.05 | neighborhood | haha, ok |
| 09:58.28 | neighborhood | i'm trying to write a macro, but some of the functions i want to use are protected |
| 09:58.36 | neighborhood | and i want to know if there's a workaround |
| 09:58.52 | Shirik | if something's protected, it's protected for a reason. What are you trying to do |
| 09:59.04 | neighborhood | basically i want to cast a spell |
| 09:59.12 | neighborhood | but i want to use condition statements |
| 09:59.25 | neighborhood | so i'm not using "/cast" |
| 09:59.31 | Shirik | what condition |
| 09:59.31 | nevcairiel | you have to use /cast |
| 09:59.37 | Shirik | and yes, you have to use /cast |
| 09:59.38 | nevcairiel | there is no other way to cast |
| 09:59.43 | nevcairiel | except /cast |
| 09:59.44 | Shirik | sure there is |
| 09:59.54 | nevcairiel | in a macro? |
| 09:59.58 | Shirik | um |
| 10:00.03 | Shirik | if you can compress it enough |
| 10:00.05 | nevcairiel | heh |
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| 10:00.16 | neighborhood | but if you do /cast you can't have conditions right? |
| 10:00.24 | Shirik | _what conditions_ |
| 10:00.33 | neighborhood | haha...basically i'm using the script "IsEquippedItem()" |
| 10:00.34 | nevcairiel | you can have the conditions which are available from the macro system |
| 10:00.41 | Shirik | ok |
| 10:00.45 | Shirik | there are alternatives for that |
| 10:00.50 | neighborhood | cool |
| 10:01.20 | neighborhood | i'm trying to make a macro that will change me into tree of life form if i'm wearing my healing gear otherwise it'll change me to catform |
| 10:01.30 | nevcairiel | wont work |
| 10:01.31 | Shirik | nevcairiel: f=CreateFrame"SecureUnitFrame";f:SetAttribute("unit","player");f:SetAttribute("spell","Inner Fire");f:SetPoint("CENTER",UIParent,"CENTER");f:SetWidth(100);f:SetHeight(100); |
| 10:01.32 | Shirik | there you go |
| 10:01.46 | Shirik | oh, /script in front of it |
| 10:01.51 | nevcairiel | wont work in-fight |
| 10:01.55 | Shirik | :( |
| 10:01.57 | nevcairiel | where you generally use macros |
| 10:02.09 | neighborhood | hmm, yeah |
| 10:02.16 | Shirik | ok |
| 10:02.18 | neighborhood | why won't it work in fight? |
| 10:02.26 | JunkHead-Work | Can't change armor in combat? |
| 10:02.31 | JunkHead-Work | Correct? |
| 10:02.35 | nevcairiel | right |
| 10:02.37 | neighborhood | i'm not changing my armor though |
| 10:02.37 | nevcairiel | but thats not it |
| 10:02.40 | JunkHead-Work | Ah I knew something! |
| 10:02.43 | neighborhood | i'm just checking it |
| 10:02.45 | JunkHead-Work | Oh. |
| 10:02.52 | JunkHead-Work | I knew sorta something! |
| 10:02.52 | nevcairiel | only thing you could do |
| 10:02.52 | Shirik | nevcairiel: f=CreateFrame"SecureUnitFrame";f:SetScript("OnUpdate",function() if not InCombatLockdown() if not n then f:SetAttribute("unit","player");f:SetAttribute("spell","Inner Fire");f:SetPoint("CENTER",UIParent,"CENTER");f:SetWidth(100);f:SetHeight(100); n = true; end end); |
| 10:02.53 | Shirik | there |
| 10:02.56 | nevcairiel | is check for weapons type |
| 10:03.01 | Shirik | now it will delay until out of combat :D |
| 10:03.28 | nevcairiel | Shirik: heh, not sure if createframe works tho .. but you could always create a dummy button before :) |
| 10:03.46 | Shirik | oh well |
| 10:03.51 | Shirik | I'm satisfied with my alternative for /cast |
| 10:03.57 | neighborhood | what's the macro command for checking equipment? |
| 10:04.09 | Shirik | [equipped:...] |
| 10:04.17 | neighborhood | oh |
| 10:04.20 | nevcairiel | you cannot check for item names |
| 10:04.24 | nevcairiel | only for types of weapons |
| 10:04.25 | nevcairiel | etc |
| 10:04.28 | neighborhood | i was thinking about that |
| 10:04.31 | neighborhood | so one workaround i made |
| 10:04.36 | nevcairiel | so if you use a 2h Mace in cat |
| 10:04.40 | neighborhood | was one costume set i made wearing a shirt |
| 10:04.41 | nevcairiel | and a 1h mace in tree |
| 10:04.43 | neighborhood | the other i didn't |
| 10:04.44 | nevcairiel | that could work |
| 10:04.48 | neighborhood | so i did |
| 10:04.53 | neighborhood | [equipped:Shirt] |
| 10:05.07 | neighborhood | how do you do opposites though? |
| 10:05.13 | Shirik | noequipped |
| 10:05.22 | neighborhood | i tried [!equipped] |
| 10:05.25 | neighborhood | oh |
| 10:05.35 | neighborhood | haha lemme try it out |
| 10:05.37 | Shirik | C programmer? |
| 10:05.48 | JunkHead-Work | Those macros sound confusing. |
| 10:05.54 | neighborhood | yeah |
| 10:05.58 | neighborhood | never used lua before |
| 10:06.08 | Shirik | it's not too different |
| 10:06.13 | Shirik | I take that back |
| 10:06.15 | nevcairiel | just simpler |
| 10:06.16 | Shirik | it's pretty different |
| 10:06.16 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 10:06.19 | Shirik | but it's not easy to pick up |
| 10:06.20 | Shirik | er |
| 10:06.22 | Shirik | it's not hard |
| 10:06.26 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 10:06.29 | JunkHead-Work | I don't know any coding languages. |
| 10:06.31 | Shirik | I need sleep |
| 10:06.50 | neighborhood | sweet it worked |
| 10:06.53 | nevcairiel | sleep is overrated |
| 10:07.15 | nevcairiel | i am still wondering |
| 10:07.20 | neighborhood | i was hoping i wouldn't have to use the shirt workaround, but i guess that's the only way |
| 10:07.22 | nevcairiel | my bindings.xml is no longer working in 2.1 |
| 10:07.27 | nevcairiel | whats up with that ? :o |
| 10:07.36 | Nerinia | Do you use a staff for the tree form? |
| 10:08.37 | neighborhood | yeah i use a staff for both |
| 10:08.40 | Nerinia | Ah ok :( |
| 10:08.54 | neighborhood | otherwise i would've done the weapon type thing |
| 10:08.55 | nevcairiel | get a 1h mace for healing! :p |
| 10:09.02 | neighborhood | really? |
| 10:09.21 | neighborhood | i'm using the serpentcrest life-staff |
| 10:09.53 | nevcairiel | ah |
| 10:10.08 | nevcairiel | get the 1h mace from mechanar 1st boss |
| 10:10.09 | nevcairiel | or so |
| 10:10.13 | nevcairiel | and some nice offhand |
| 10:10.58 | Shirik | ha! |
| 10:10.58 | neighborhood | do you know what it's called? |
| 10:11.01 | Shirik | I knew that would bring people here!! |
| 10:11.09 | Shirik | neighborhood, you found this channel from my post on the forums, eh? |
| 10:11.13 | neighborhood | yup |
| 10:11.16 | neighborhood | haha |
| 10:11.20 | JunkHead-Work | ? |
| 10:11.22 | neighborhood | saw my post? |
| 10:11.23 | Shirik | I just found your post :P |
| 10:11.33 | nevcairiel | |
| 10:11.33 | nevcairiel | Hammer of the Penitent |
| 10:11.37 | nevcairiel | that one ^^ |
| 10:11.47 | Shirik | it needs to have the box above it |
| 10:11.48 | Shirik | very important |
| 10:11.50 | Shirik | not the normal Hammer |
| 10:11.53 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 10:11.58 | nevcairiel | stupid copy pasting from thott |
| 10:12.12 | nevcairiel | and the oh from the netherwing quest |
| 10:12.16 | nevcairiel | thats a good combo |
| 10:12.16 | Nerinia | That's the icon right? |
| 10:12.45 | nevcairiel | not sure what it was =) |
| 10:13.11 | neighborhood | i just switched from feral to resto today cuz the guild needs another healer |
| 10:13.44 | neighborhood | i miss my dps |
| 10:14.06 | nevcairiel | ive been resto the better part of my wow life, and i miss my healing when i respec :(^^ |
| 10:14.27 | neighborhood | this is the first time i've been resto |
| 10:14.53 | neighborhood | were you talking about the "Netherwing Spiritualist's Charm"? |
| 10:15.17 | nevcairiel | yea |
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| 10:15.29 | JunkHead-Work | [05:15:57] <neighborhood> i just switched from feral to resto today cuz the guild needs another healer <-- too bad you wreen't in my guild. |
| 10:15.44 | neighborhood | haha |
| 10:15.48 | JunkHead-Work | We had 4 lvl 70 druids. |
| 10:15.50 | Shirik | my raid team needs nother feral druid :( |
| 10:15.52 | JunkHead-Work | 2 attuned for Kara. |
| 10:15.56 | JunkHead-Work | All feral. |
| 10:16.04 | neighborhood | our guild had like 4 tanks |
| 10:16.11 | Shirik | we don't have enough tanks or dps |
| 10:16.12 | nevcairiel | my raid needs another resto |
| 10:16.13 | neighborhood | so i took one for the team |
| 10:16.16 | Shirik | we have a crapton of healers |
| 10:16.17 | nevcairiel | we are only 2 now :( |
| 10:16.25 | Shirik | I have 2 holy pallies, 1 resto druid, 2 holy priests |
| 10:16.28 | Shirik | and 1 shadow priest |
| 10:16.36 | Shirik | obviously not all at the same time |
| 10:16.42 | Shirik | otherwise even attumen would take 5 hours |
| 10:16.42 | JunkHead-Work | Before I left the guild, they had 2 priests, one was MIA, the other couldn't raid due to time zones. |
| 10:16.49 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 10:16.54 | JunkHead-Work | 3 holy paladins. only 2 attuned for kara. |
| 10:17.00 | nevcairiel | i am talking about a bit more high-end raiding |
| 10:17.01 | JunkHead-Work | And 1 shaman. Elemental. |
| 10:17.09 | JunkHead-Work | And that was our healers. |
| 10:17.46 | JunkHead-Work | No resto druids, no priests able to raid, and 2 holy paladins. And one wasn't very good. |
| 10:18.25 | neighborhood | the thing with the 1h mace/offhand combo is the spirit isn't as much as the staff i got |
| 10:18.33 | neighborhood | but then again i'm still playing around with tree form |
| 10:19.39 | nevcairiel | i prefer mana regen over spirit |
| 10:19.39 | foxlit | I wouldn't really base your gear around spirit and treeform effect |
| 10:19.53 | Shirik | I think this is how it works |
| 10:19.56 | neighborhood | yeah i hear that treeform buff isn't that great |
| 10:19.58 | Shirik | pallies and druids prefer mp5 |
| 10:20.04 | Shirik | priests prefer spirit |
| 10:20.15 | JunkHead-Work | What about shadow priests? |
| 10:20.25 | JunkHead-Work | They'd prefer MP5 wouldn't they? |
| 10:20.34 | Shirik | hm |
| 10:20.35 | nevcairiel | we are talking about healers here. |
| 10:20.58 | neighborhood | yeah, and that combo has more mp5 than the staff |
| 10:21.03 | nevcairiel | shadow priests should go with +dmg, and make themself some mana |
| 10:21.19 | Shirik | I agree |
| 10:21.23 | Shirik | btw |
| 10:21.26 | Shirik | two shadow priests = god |
| 10:21.34 | foxlit | What's the critical mass of +damage for VT + shadowspells to never run out of mana? |
| 10:21.49 | nevcairiel | guess thats alot |
| 10:22.02 | nevcairiel | our shadow priests have like 1100 +dmg and are oom in notime :P |
| 10:25.12 | Shirik | let me check my shadow priest ^^ |
| 10:26.55 | Shirik | bleh |
| 10:27.00 | Shirik | she was in her healing gear when she logged out |
| 10:27.01 | Shirik | wtf |
| 10:27.22 | Shirik | I think she's got around 800 |
| 10:27.28 | Shirik | but we use two in many cases |
| 10:27.32 | Shirik | and it works like god |
| 10:27.39 | Shirik | the two could sustain each other forever |
| 10:28.01 | neighborhood | a lot of the shadow priests i pug with are pretty horrible |
| 10:28.02 | neighborhood | haha |
| 10:28.19 | foxlit | Hah, stack +4600 damage, and you can mindflay forever with 0 mp5 |
| 10:28.31 | Shirik | .. |
| 10:28.34 | Shirik | thank you fox |
| 10:29.01 | Shirik | I will now proceed to enforce a minimum +4600 damage requirement on all my shadow priests |
| 10:29.07 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 10:29.29 | Shirik | Cairenn|afk, ping |
| 10:29.58 | foxlit | That's without any talents too |
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| 10:33.02 | foxlit | http://armory.wow-europe.com/? qq |
| 10:33.42 | foxlit | IE telling me to "Please correct the error and then click the Refresh button" is pretty sad too. |
| 10:33.49 | Shirik | lol |
| 10:34.11 | Shirik | works for me actually |
| 10:35.21 | Shirik | crap |
| 10:35.25 | Shirik | I just blew inner focus on psychic scream |
| 10:35.27 | Shirik | wtf |
| 10:35.45 | Shirik | crit fears ftw |
| 10:37.00 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 10:37.55 | JunkHead-Work | How often does the armory guild pages update? |
| 10:38.01 | JunkHead-Work | Anyone know? |
| 10:39.09 | neighborhood | it seems like every couple hours or so |
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| 10:42.41 | neighborhood | for macros you can't make them queue up a bunch of spells right? |
| 10:42.53 | Shirik | look into /castsequence |
| 10:43.08 | neighborhood | hmm ok |
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| 10:43.44 | Shirik | where should I go for breakfast |
| 10:43.45 | clad|sleep | it depends on what you want to do as a shadow priest |
| 10:43.46 | Shirik | BK or Mcdonalds? |
| 10:43.56 | clad|sleep | if you're going for max damage, you'd need more than the game can keep up with |
| 10:43.57 | neighborhood | mcdonalds for sure |
| 10:44.02 | Srosh | sth else, Shirik? |
| 10:44.07 | clad|sleep | but you can VT/Mindflay forever with around 800 spell damage |
| 10:44.12 | Shirik | name something open where I live |
| 10:44.30 | Shirik | I don't have many choices :( |
| 10:44.41 | Srosh | well, too few info :p |
| 10:44.55 | Shirik | if you want to know, daytona beach area, but trust me, nothing's open :P |
| 10:45.19 | Shirik | you can figure out where I am from my hostmask :P |
| 10:45.21 | Shirik | db.erau.edu |
| 10:45.41 | Srosh | too much work ^^ but if nothing else's open, then McD I guess |
| 10:46.09 | Shirik | clad|sleep, if you're bored sometime today I have a task for you :D |
| 10:46.15 | clad|sleep | whats up |
| 10:46.27 | clad|sleep | i'm always bored at work, if its a good challenge |
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| 10:52.09 | Bleeter | so I'm sure this has been asked 103245234 times before, is it patch night? |
| 10:53.16 | neighborhood | i hope so |
| 10:53.20 | neighborhood | i want my epic flight form |
| 10:54.59 | nevcairiel | i dont think so |
| 10:55.00 | nevcairiel | but i still hope |
| 10:55.14 | Bleeter | bunch of crying in /trade, some saying PTR's getting patched again |
| 10:55.32 | nevcairiel | PTR was patched last night |
| 10:55.39 | nevcairiel | arena items and world boss lootz |
| 10:55.45 | Bleeter | mm, sounds like 'to match what will go live' |
| 10:56.09 | Bleeter | oh well, no great shakes. my pally and druids are still low level, so don't care that much ;) |
| 10:56.11 | nevcairiel | but then again, announced US downtime is only 5am to 11am .. not 3 am |
| 10:56.24 | Bleeter | yar, I noticed that too |
| 10:56.47 | Bleeter | which'd put a patch maybe next week... yerk, 2x maint is bad mmkay ;) |
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| 11:01.24 | Shirik | so they totally blocked out the ability to connect to the network via linux now |
| 11:01.25 | Shirik | beautiful |
| 11:02.21 | Bleeter | Shirik: who? |
| 11:02.28 | Shirik | my school >.> |
| 11:02.37 | JunkHead-Work | Beat them up. |
| 11:02.44 | Shirik | You must (apparently) now have Windows or Mac OS X |
| 11:02.49 | Shirik | because if you don't have CAA installed you can't get in |
| 11:03.10 | foxlit | Talk to the school IT administration and whack them with a stick |
| 11:03.29 | neighborhood | anyone know where i can get a list of all the options for macro commands? |
| 11:03.36 | neighborhood | like [equipped] |
| 11:03.47 | Bleeter | run windows in VMWare or similar, and bridge your linux network through that ;) |
| 11:03.55 | Bleeter | QEMU, etc |
| 11:04.15 | JunkHead-Work | http://entertainment.msn.com/news/article.aspx?news=262010>1=9951 |
| 11:04.22 | Shirik | you see |
| 11:04.24 | Shirik | I'd love to |
| 11:04.25 | JunkHead-Work | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ossbPGIVikU |
| 11:04.26 | JunkHead-Work | Hehe |
| 11:04.26 | Shirik | but here's the problem |
| 11:04.39 | Shirik | to connect to the network, you need to download the CAA |
| 11:04.49 | Shirik | hm |
| 11:04.57 | Shirik | nm I'm making that up |
| 11:05.02 | foxlit | Design a piece of software that lies blatantly about it being CAA |
| 11:05.07 | Shirik | lol |
| 11:05.11 | Bleeter | what's this CAA? I'm polluted by too many abbreviations, guessing something about certs? |
| 11:05.13 | Shirik | I have actually thought about that |
| 11:05.19 | Shirik | I've got an ethereal log of it too |
| 11:05.35 | Shirik | Bleeter: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clean_Access_Agent |
| 11:07.24 | JunkHead-Work | Woohoo! |
| 11:07.24 | Shirik | calvino you nub |
| 11:07.24 | Shirik | gg. |
| 11:10.34 | Shirik | hey wait, I'm on calvino :( |
| 11:10.34 | foxlit | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clean_Access_Agent#User Agent spoofing |
| 11:10.34 | Shirik | yaya I know |
| 11:10.34 | Shirik | but that doesn't solve the problem |
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| 11:11.04 | Shirik | I can do that and all, but they have recently disabled the alternate access |
| 11:11.04 | Bleeter | man, that's ass forcing you to use it |
| 11:11.05 | Shirik | "most network administrators allow clients with non-Windows operating systems (such as Mac OS X, Mac OS 9, Linux, and FreeBSD) to access the network without any security checks (authentication is still required and is usually handled via a Web interface)." |
| 11:11.05 | Shirik | This used to be true |
| 11:11.05 | Shirik | and is no longer true for us :( |
| 11:11.05 | Bleeter | it's only slightly useful on OSX, not at all on Linux... is your school a breeding ground for virus authors? |
| 11:11.05 | Shirik | I didn't think so :/ |
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| 11:11.06 | Bleeter | Shirik: I guess you'll just have to make them pay for Vista |
| 11:11.06 | Bleeter | oh |
| 11:11.07 | Bleeter | and all the hardware to go with it |
| 11:11.07 | Bleeter | ;) |
| 11:11.09 | Shirik | actually, they'll probably have it |
| 11:11.10 | Shirik | I've only got this copy of windows because they gave it to me :P |
| 11:11.10 | Bleeter | yeah, but you *need* the h/w ;) |
| 11:11.10 | Shirik | they'll probably have it in the fall |
| 11:11.10 | Shirik | um |
| 11:11.11 | Shirik | yeah I need it |
| 11:11.11 | Shirik | >.> <.< |
| 11:11.11 | Shirik | oh, get this |
| 11:11.11 | Shirik | And this is the best part |
| 11:11.11 | Vangual | xen/vmware, local socks? :) |
| 11:12.34 | Shirik | they also forced me to buy a virus scanner, because it checks for a virus scanner and if it doesn't see one installed, it quarantines your access to only the local intranet, where you can supposedly download a virus scanner that they have a volume license for |
| 11:12.34 | Shirik | except when you click the link you get a 404 error |
| 11:12.34 | Bleeter | man, I'd be asking for a refund on my school fees about now |
| 11:12.34 | Shirik | and I didn't feel like arguing |
| 11:12.34 | Shirik | oh they've charged me for enough other stuff as it is >.> |
| 11:12.34 | Shirik | like the $40 for having my parking permit on my side window instead of the rear window |
| 11:12.34 | Shirik | because my car is a convertible and I didn't want to stick it on the plastic or whatever it is |
| 11:12.34 | Shirik | so I've given up arguing about fees |
| 11:12.35 | Shirik | albeit, they did void that fee >.> |
| 11:12.35 | neighborhood | that's lame |
| 11:17.48 | neighborhood | so i'm trying to use /castsequence |
| 11:18.04 | neighborhood | where i shift from one form to another, cast a spell, then shift back |
| 11:18.25 | neighborhood | but for some reason |
| 11:18.35 | neighborhood | it casts the first spell twice |
| 11:18.39 | neighborhood | the shifting forms |
| 11:19.09 | Shirik | what do you have |
| 11:19.18 | JoshBorke | what is the macro? |
| 11:22.28 | neighborhood | ./castsequence reset=5 Tree of Life(Shapeshift), Cat Form(Shapeshift), Cower(Rank 5), Cat Form(Shapeshift), Tree of Life(Shapeshift) |
| 11:22.28 | neighborhood | it's assuming i'm in tree of life form |
| 11:22.28 | neighborhood | but for some reason when i cast it |
| 11:22.28 | neighborhood | the second spell puts me back into tree of life form |
| 11:22.28 | clad|sleep | can you split it up, by simply doing |
| 11:22.28 | Shirik | make that Tree of Life(Shapeshift)() |
| 11:22.28 | JoshBorke | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9577 <-- last post is the worst attempt at spam i've ever seen |
| 11:22.28 | Shirik | same with Cat Form |
| 11:22.28 | clad|sleep | are you SURE they have (Shapeshift)? |
| 11:22.29 | Shirik | also I wasn't sure about that |
| 11:22.29 | Shirik | but I rolled with it :P |
| 11:22.29 | clad|sleep | did you shift-left click from spellbook |
| 11:22.29 | clad|sleep | always do that |
| 11:22.29 | neighborhood | i did a shift click |
| 11:22.29 | JoshBorke | morning claddy waddy |
| 11:22.29 | neighborhood | so it copied the (Shapeshift) |
| 11:22.29 | clad|work | morning |
| 11:22.39 | neighborhood | Shirik: what does adding the extra () do? |
| 11:22.50 | clad|work | its required due to the () earlier in the spell name |
| 11:22.54 | clad|work | typically |
| 11:22.56 | clad|work | its weird |
| 11:22.59 | Shirik | See how you have a (Rank 5) after Cower? |
| 11:23.04 | neighborhood | yeah |
| 11:23.10 | Shirik | well, if you have parentheses in another spell it gets confused, expecting a rank |
| 11:23.23 | Shirik | putting a () tells it "no, that's part of the spell name" |
| 11:23.34 | Shirik | It's just like how you have to do |
| 11:23.42 | clad|work | i'd look at doing /cancelaura [stance:5] Tree of Life |
| 11:23.47 | Shirik | ./cast Faerie Fire (Feral)() |
| 11:23.50 | Shirik | or something ilke that |
| 11:23.53 | Shirik | I don't know druid spells >< |
| 11:24.01 | clad|work | then /cast [stance:0] Cat Form |
| 11:24.11 | clad|work | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:24.12 | Shirik | anyway, FOOD! |
| 11:24.18 | clad|work | and /cancelaura [stance:3] Cat Form |
| 11:24.20 | JoshBorke | wait |
| 11:24.25 | JoshBorke | lol, zzz = food? |
| 11:24.29 | clad|work | it just won't get you back to tree of life form |
| 11:24.30 | Shirik|Fooding | habit >.> |
| 11:24.33 | clad|work | lol |
| 11:24.34 | clad|work | :P |
| 11:24.44 | neighborhood | yeah, that's the problem |
| 11:25.06 | neighborhood | i added the () after (Shapeshift) and now it won't even shift out |
| 11:25.13 | clad|work | well a castsequence can't be spammed |
| 11:25.24 | clad|work | you have to respect the global cooldown |
| 11:25.30 | JoshBorke | RESPECT! |
| 11:25.38 | clad|work | so when you're 'testing, make sure you're giving it a few seconds |
| 11:25.43 | clad|work | i.e. put your reset timer up to 10 |
| 11:25.44 | neighborhood | ok |
| 11:25.46 | clad|work | and work through it that way |
| 11:26.02 | neighborhood | i used the ? icon too, so i could see what spells it's casting |
| 11:26.38 | clad|work | yep |
| 11:26.40 | clad|work | gotta run folks |
| 11:26.41 | clad|work | ptfo |
| 11:27.45 | neighborhood | hmm, it doesn't seem to like going from one form to another |
| 11:27.56 | neighborhood | i got rid of the first tree form shift |
| 11:28.06 | neighborhood | and it works up until the last tree form |
| 11:28.18 | neighborhood | and instead of turning me into a tree it turns me into a cat |
| 11:28.36 | neighborhood | then i press it again and it trys to shift me into a tree, but i can't because i'm in cat form |
| 11:28.54 | neighborhood | take care clad, thanks for the help |
| 11:29.36 | clad|work | hrm |
| 11:29.37 | clad|work | actuall |
| 11:30.02 | clad|work | that's odd |
| 11:30.07 | clad|work | keep playing with it, you'll get it =) |
| 11:30.11 | neighborhood | haha ok |
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| 11:34.28 | Bleeter | hmm, so no one can tell me if I should go and farewell the AV fishies tonight? :'( |
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| 11:34.57 | Kaso | It wont be patch tonight |
| 11:35.01 | Kaso | bet you 100g |
| 11:35.08 | Bleeter | Kaso: rightio, was asking earlier |
| 11:35.33 | clad|work | we will not patch today |
| 11:35.35 | clad|work | period. |
| 11:35.37 | clad|work | =) |
| 11:35.58 | Bleeter | hehe, so the 'patch/maint' plan is holding together well then? ;) |
| 11:37.01 | Bleeter | I don't really care, but as I indicated, I'd like to be fishing in AV when 2.0.x goes down :) |
| 11:41.39 | foxlit | They should add a First-Release-AV back into the game :P |
| 11:42.20 | foxlit | Fishing, mines, that troll boss :P |
| 11:42.50 | Bleeter | yup |
| 11:42.56 | Kaso | Dont forget the shredder! |
| 11:42.59 | Bleeter | only for those already exalted with AV |
| 11:43.19 | Shirik | 07:27:07 ‹@clad|work› ptfo |
| 11:43.20 | Shirik | ptfo? |
| 11:43.30 | Shirik | ~ptfo |
| 11:43.43 | foxlit | ~wikipedia PTFO |
| 11:43.48 | Kaso | ~wtf ptfo |
| 11:43.50 | zenzelezz | piss the f' off? |
| 11:45.08 | foxlit | Passed The Fuck Out |
| 11:45.21 | foxlit | All hail urbandictionary |
| 11:46.50 | zenzelezz | Urbandictionary can help, but it attracts a lot of immature people who post bullshit everywhere |
| 11:48.07 | foxlit | Dunno, definitions involving fuck are usually quite accurate |
| 11:48.21 | foxlit | Not that you'd want to use it for anything else |
| 11:49.11 | Shirik | I have a definition in urbandictionary actually |
| 11:49.24 | Shirik | you all wouldn't understand it though |
| 11:50.04 | Shirik | I made my friend pissed off one day >< http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=skullshot |
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| 11:55.32 | neighborhood | i'm taking off, thanks for the help everyone |
| 12:03.54 | Shirik | I.... |
| 12:04.01 | Shirik | didn't realize people could get so pissed off at wikipedia |
| 12:04.05 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Pete_K |
| 12:06.58 | oHaste | wall of text :( |
| 12:07.10 | Shirik | the headings really show enough |
| 12:07.21 | Shirik | "Corruption of Waldorf-Related Articles Since I've Been Banned" |
| 12:07.29 | Shirik | "This is my talk page. I reserve the right to delete any content I don't want here" |
| 12:07.37 | Shirik | that's about all I read |
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| 12:25.17 | Shirik | dolby-wowi's going to kill me today :( |
| 12:25.37 | Shirik | I just sent him like 5 pms because I don't proofread before I send stuff >.> |
| 12:25.49 | SunTiger | dolby-wowi SMASH |
| 12:25.52 | Shirik | you can't edit pms like you can forum posts :( |
| 12:27.16 | batrick | sure you can |
| 12:27.17 | batrick | alt up |
| 12:27.21 | batrick | and then alt right/left |
| 12:27.47 | Shirik | er... |
| 12:27.59 | Shirik | and then send him another? >< |
| 12:28.08 | batrick | o |
| 12:28.17 | batrick | i thought u meant you kept retyping them |
| 12:28.19 | batrick | :P |
| 12:28.27 | Shirik | oh no |
| 12:28.29 | Shirik | I send a PM |
| 12:28.35 | Shirik | and then 5 minutes later I'll be "oh I forgot this" |
| 12:28.37 | Shirik | and send him another pm |
| 12:28.41 | Shirik | then realize something another 10 minutes later |
| 12:29.06 | batrick | so no patch? |
| 12:29.09 | batrick | blizzard sucks. |
| 12:29.12 | Shirik | such it seems |
| 12:29.20 | ckknight | why does blizzard suck? |
| 12:29.36 | ckknight | it was obvious the patch wouldn't come this soon |
| 12:29.38 | batrick | i'm getting really tired of them bundling everything in these huge patches |
| 12:29.52 | batrick | one can dream ckknight |
| 12:30.01 | ckknight | no, one can't |
| 12:30.04 | Shirik | imo they should just UIParent = nil; |
| 12:30.08 | Shirik | won't be any more errors |
| 12:30.10 | Shirik | then they can release it |
| 12:30.21 | ckknight | Shirik: ? |
| 12:30.28 | Shirik | fix for Blizzard |
| 12:30.33 | Shirik | if it's bugs pushing the patch back |
| 12:30.49 | Shirik | get rid of all the bugs by doing UIParent = nil; or maybe setfenv(0, {}) |
| 12:30.55 | Shirik | then there won't be anymore bugs |
| 12:31.03 | Shirik | hm, well, let me rephrase that |
| 12:31.06 | Shirik | you won't see any errors |
| 12:31.14 | ckknight | don't think that'll be the best plan. |
| 12:31.30 | batrick | later guyz |
| 12:31.35 | Shirik | take care |
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| 12:33.13 | foxlit | Shirik: could be fun to get a game interface without a game interface |
| 12:33.30 | Shirik | it totally could be like one of those chinese boxes that you have to open |
| 12:33.38 | Shirik | you get the game... and the first quest you have to do |
| 12:33.40 | Shirik | is figure out how to play |
| 12:37.38 | Bleeter | sounds like an Iain Banks novel I just finished |
| 12:38.08 | zenzelezz | OFP/ArmA have very minimal interfaces |
| 12:40.09 | wobin | Shirik: hm |
| 12:40.22 | wobin | So when you manage to open the puzzle box |
| 12:40.32 | wobin | You enter a dimension of hell(blazer) |
| 12:40.38 | wobin | And are eternally damned |
| 12:41.10 | wobin | Sounds like WoW to me =) |
| 12:41.10 | Shirik | lol |
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| 13:02.04 | zenzelezz | sheesh, Reuters being purchased for 8.7 billion pounds |
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| 13:05.35 | Gnarfoz | by whom? |
| 13:05.41 | zenzelezz | Thomson |
| 13:05.42 | zenzelezz | http://www.reuters.com/article/ousiv/idUSL1553044220070515 |
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| 13:18.19 | Bleeter | Cairenn|afk: so... you've been awfully quiet on our new look and feel. No comment, or just don't want to offend me? :P |
| 13:20.48 | zenzelezz | who is "we"? |
| 13:20.50 | Gnarfoz | show? :) |
| 13:21.45 | Bleeter | http://pidgin.im |
| 13:22.28 | zenzelezz | with that name you're just asking for a "bird flu" virus |
| 13:22.58 | Bleeter | or a bunch of illiterates making lame attempts at humour from the name :P |
| 13:23.13 | Bleeter | curiously, that's one the reasons for the name |
| 13:23.46 | zenzelezz | the spelling doesn't matter when the logo is a bird |
| 13:24.47 | Bleeter | a 'dumb, clueless yet happy bird, indicative of many of our users and the vast number of IM users' I think was the spec for the design |
| 13:25.32 | zenzelezz | names don't matter much to me, we bastardize them in Norwegian anyway |
| 13:25.49 | zenzelezz | ICQ was never "I seek you", rather Eee Seh Ku |
| 13:26.29 | Bleeter | I didn't realise Norwegian was a language. I thought it was Bokmal and Nyorsk |
| 13:26.53 | Bleeter | (with appropriate UTFisms imagined) |
| 13:27.07 | zenzelezz | that's the subgroups, whatever the word is for that |
| 13:27.18 | Mikk | dialects |
| 13:27.19 | Bleeter | dialect |
| 13:27.21 | zenzelezz | no |
| 13:27.25 | zenzelezz | we have a million dialects |
| 13:27.28 | Mikk | yes, it really is |
| 13:27.32 | zenzelezz | but they belong to one of the two schools |
| 13:27.45 | Mikk | there's just smaller and bigger differences between dialects =P |
| 13:27.53 | Mikk | then again |
| 13:28.08 | Mikk | i'd agree that norwegian bokmĂĄl vs nynorsk is kinda extreme |
| 13:28.41 | Mikk | kinda american vs british english |
| 13:28.46 | Mikk | and a bit worse too |
| 13:28.48 | zenzelezz | yup |
| 13:30.36 | zenzelezz | I remember translating (somewhat unsuccessfully) "The Educated Fool" (Iron Maiden) into nynorsk for a school assignment once |
| 13:30.41 | zenzelezz | teacher asked me if I was a poet |
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| 13:35.20 | Mikk | tbh it wouldn't surprise me at all if people started calling nynorsk and bokmĂĄl "languages" at some point, and norwegian a "language group" |
| 13:35.56 | zenzelezz | would make things easier for foreigners to understand |
| 13:36.04 | Mikk | then again if you go sufficiently far north in norway it sounds more swedish than norwegian =P |
| 13:37.19 | Mikk | And, in closing for that topic, I'd like to quote #wowwiki from half an hour ago: "FĂĄr fĂĄr fĂĄr? Nej, fĂĄr fĂĄr inte fĂĄr, fĂĄr fĂĄr lamm." |
| 13:37.57 | zenzelezz | I still prefer "er det det det er?" |
| 13:40.26 | Shirik|Ecole | wtf |
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| 13:46.56 | Shirik|Ecole | est-ce que tu peut parler francais? |
| 13:47.24 | [dRaCo] | uh, french. |
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| 13:47.40 | Shirik|Ecole | :( |
| 13:47.45 | zenzelezz | I had French for five years in school, and still can't speak it... I can pronounce it (mostly), but not comprehend more than basic stuff |
| 13:47.49 | zenzelezz | I did learn to count |
| 13:48.25 | zenzelezz | it seemed like 90% of the verbs started with A |
| 13:48.25 | [dRaCo] | yeah, I get most of the simple stuff, but that's it for me, too. |
| 13:48.26 | Shirik|Ecole | un deux trois quatre |
| 13:48.55 | zenzelezz | dix-neuf cent qautre-vingt quatre |
| 13:49.05 | Shirik|Ecole | umm |
| 13:49.18 | Shirik|Ecole | if you want to skip several numbers |
| 13:49.24 | Shirik|Ecole | and go backwards |
| 13:49.25 | Shirik|Ecole | yeah |
| 13:49.26 | Shirik|Ecole | :D |
| 13:49.45 | zenzelezz | been years since I used it |
| 13:49.50 | zenzelezz | but I believe I was close |
| 13:50.23 | Shirik|Ecole | well |
| 13:51.10 | Shirik|Ecole | you said 19 100 80 4 |
| 13:51.10 | Shirik|Ecole | oh |
| 13:51.10 | zenzelezz | 1984 |
| 13:51.10 | Shirik|Ecole | yeah it made sense after I read it aloud >.> |
| 13:51.10 | [dRaCo] | lol |
| 13:51.15 | Shirik|Ecole | you forgot one word ;) |
| 13:51.24 | zenzelezz | wouldn't surprise me at all |
| 13:51.25 | Shirik|Ecole | well |
| 13:51.29 | Shirik|Ecole | you can't really say "19 100" |
| 13:51.41 | Shirik|Ecole | mille neuf cent quatre-vingt-quatre |
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| 13:52.50 | Shirik|Ecole | this is your birth year? |
| 13:53.05 | zenzelezz | quite |
| 13:53.23 | zenzelezz | but it was by chance the year we used in the examples in school |
| 13:55.32 | zenzelezz | back in the first year I had French in school our teacher was ill for six weeks, and we seemed to have a different substitute teacher every week... we went through the same chapter about some kitchen garden all the time |
| 14:00.27 | Bleeter | I have nothing against Americans. It's just an unfortunate coincidence that the only Americans I know seem a little impaired in the head. The smartest one of them was told that she was too apathetic, and replied, "Do you think I care?" |
| 14:01.06 | zenzelezz | could be he was just one that actually had that sense of humor |
| 14:01.55 | zenzelezz | "In Paris they simply stared when I spoke to them in French; I never did succeed in making those idiots understand their language" (Mark Twain) |
| 14:08.12 | Shirik|Ecole | :( |
| 14:08.18 | Shirik|Ecole | Am I impaired in the head? |
| 14:08.27 | Shirik|Ecole | don't answer that |
| 14:11.25 | Xuerian | Yeah, I was going to ask if I was too... ignorance is bliss :D |
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| 14:31.51 | Mikk | hmmm... is it theoretically possible for GetMasterLootCandidate to return players for indices 41 and beyond? (6 and beyond in a regular party) |
| 14:32.28 | Mikk | was thinking with players going in and out of a party right around the time of looting |
| 14:32.33 | Mikk | hmm. no. it wouldn't be, would it. |
| 14:32.52 | Kaso | seems improbable |
| 14:32.57 | Mikk | can't have more than the max be in the party at the time of the mob dying |
| 14:33.10 | Mikk | but candidate returns could differ from current party makeup for sure |
| 14:33.45 | MoonWolf | indeed |
| 14:33.47 | Josh_Borke | pretty sure someone is removed before someone is added |
| 14:33.50 | MoonWolf | this is not a period of time |
| 14:33.53 | MoonWolf | but one split second |
| 14:33.56 | Mikk | aye |
| 14:33.59 | Shirik|Ecole | >>> 0.84/0.04 |
| 14:34.03 | Shirik|Ecole | :( |
| 14:34.13 | Josh_Borke | 21 |
| 14:34.13 | Mikk | Josh_Borke: i was thinking that the candidates are computed at the time of the mob dying |
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| 14:34.33 | Mikk | And this could then in theory include people that have been booted out of the party between the mob dying and you actually distributing loot |
| 14:34.52 | Josh_Borke | i see |
| 14:34.55 | [Ammo] | booted people can nolonger get loot via masterlooter I think |
| 14:35.00 | Shirik|Ecole | thanks osh |
| 14:35.02 | [Ammo] | only with regular rolls that you already rolled for |
| 14:35.09 | MoonWolf | indeed |
| 14:35.25 | MoonWolf | otherwise the exploits would have been exploited for a very long time now. |
| 14:35.31 | MoonWolf | and blizzard would have fixed it. |
| 14:35.34 | Mikk | Aye but is it the gui that's being stupid, or something else? |
| 14:35.49 | Shirik|Ecole | ok josh, new one |
| 14:35.55 | Mikk | I _do_ mean a party member that was present for the kill, mind |
| 14:35.59 | Mikk | That's hardly sploiting |
| 14:36.02 | Shirik|Ecole | 1/0.84arccos(.25) |
| 14:36.08 | Josh_Borke | hell if i know |
| 14:36.11 | Josh_Borke | do i look like a computer? |
| 14:36.15 | Shirik|Ecole | well |
| 14:36.21 | zenzelezz | (1/0.84) arccos(.25) = 1.5691858 |
| 14:36.24 | Shirik|Ecole | I'm staring at a computer |
| 14:36.24 | Josh_Borke | i just plopped it in dc |
| 14:36.25 | Shirik|Ecole | I see you |
| 14:36.25 | zenzelezz | use Google FFS |
| 14:36.27 | Shirik|Ecole | thanks :D |
| 14:36.32 | Shirik|Ecole | google can do that? |
| 14:36.34 | zenzelezz | yes |
| 14:36.37 | MoonWolf | oh eyah |
| 14:36.38 | Shirik|Ecole | o.o |
| 14:36.38 | MoonWolf | yeah* |
| 14:36.42 | MoonWolf | google is one good calc |
| 14:36.56 | MoonWolf | and universal unit converter. |
| 14:37.01 | MoonWolf | and dictionary |
| 14:37.11 | Mikk | google e.g "1000 in binary" |
| 14:37.21 | Mikk | or "50 feet in meters" |
| 14:37.44 | Shirik|Ecole | fun |
| 14:37.48 | MoonWolf | define: pie |
| 14:37.52 | zenzelezz | it's awfully handy |
| 14:38.45 | Shirik|Ecole | :( |
| 14:38.48 | Shirik|Ecole | how do you use it? |
| 14:38.50 | Shirik|Ecole | I did (-0.84)(0.04)cos[(0.84)(1.569)] |
| 14:38.51 | Shirik|Ecole | and I got |
| 14:38.56 | Shirik|Ecole | WORLD BANK DISCUSSION PAPER NO. 402 Work in progress WDP402 for ... |
| 14:39.45 | Mikk | -0.84 / 0.04 * cos(0.25) |
| 14:39.55 | MoonWolf | try something slightly more simplehttp://www.google.com/help/calculator.html |
| 14:39.58 | MoonWolf | http://www.google.com/help/calculator.html |
| 14:40.03 | Shirik|Ecole | got it |
| 14:40.07 | Shirik|Ecole | google doesn't like brackets :P |
| 14:40.21 | Shirik|Ecole | trying to rush through my physics homework >< |
| 14:40.56 | wobin | hm |
| 14:40.59 | wobin | yes |
| 14:41.02 | wobin | It's time to go to bed |
| 14:41.10 | MoonWolf | you can say you googled the physics awnsers. |
| 14:41.13 | MoonWolf | nighty wobin. |
| 14:41.14 | wobin | when you realise you're actively watching Big Brother Up Late |
| 14:41.27 | MoonWolf | bad |
| 14:41.41 | wobin | It's true =( |
| 14:45.57 | Shirik|Ecole | welp |
| 14:46.17 | Shirik|Ecole | my physics homework concludes that there is a total of negative energy in the universe |
| 14:46.21 | Shirik|Ecole | but I"m not going to dispute it :P |
| 14:46.26 | Shirik|Ecole | off to class, see you all later |
| 14:48.08 | YammYgirlcoding | guys. Now we can drop specialist spellcloth and get lets say, specialist spellcloth for the cost of gold? |
| 14:48.59 | YammYgirlcoding | I understood it right? |
| 14:49.17 | Industrial | mmm salsa dip |
| 14:49.28 | Industrial | + chips |
| 14:49.49 | Industrial | i dont wanna be a fatty |
| 14:49.50 | YammYgirlcoding | so? |
| 14:49.53 | Industrial | but its so goooooood |
| 14:50.03 | YammYgirlcoding | stop it. I'm on diet :p |
| 14:50.10 | Industrial | :x |
| 14:50.15 | YammYgirlcoding | :) |
| 14:51.08 | YammYgirlcoding | so. in new patch will we be able to change specials, like from spellcloth to mooncloth? |
| 14:51.17 | Industrial | dunno :( |
| 14:51.29 | YammYgirlcoding | It's on patch notes but i want to be sure |
| 14:51.54 | YammYgirlcoding | I'm wondering if it's true, will I have to do the special quest every time I drop it. |
| 14:52.22 | YammYgirlcoding | Or If I have dome the 3 types, I will no longer have to do them |
| 14:52.27 | YammYgirlcoding | done* |
| 14:52.33 | YammYgirlcoding | anyone knows? |
| 14:54.19 | Nom- | lol i'm generous |
| 14:54.33 | Nom- | 27.465 share ratio on this torrent |
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| 14:58.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | Remember guys: irc://irc.stratics.com/straticshoc Interview with some of the devs today :O |
| 14:58.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | at 3pm pst :D |
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| 14:59.02 | Nom- | purl: time? |
| 14:59.13 | purl | 2007.05.15 14:59:13 GMT |
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| 14:59.25 | YammYgirlcoding | what time is it now? |
| 14:59.37 | Nom- | purl: timezone? |
| 14:59.39 | purl | timezone is probably "ln -s /usr/share/zoneinfo/<timezone> /etc/localtime", or tzconfig |
| 14:59.51 | Nom- | purl: useless bot! |
| 15:00.10 | Nom- | purl: clock? |
| 15:00.11 | purl | from memory, clock is tikking rapidly agains 00:30, and somebody must get up in the morning... thanx for all the help. Goodnight! |
| 15:00.24 | Kaydeethree | purl: time edt? |
| 15:00.28 | Nerinia | 11 PM GMT? |
| 15:00.51 | Thrae | purl: time est? |
| 15:00.59 | Thrae | ~literal time |
| 15:01.01 | purl | "time" is "1 dimensional, or everlasting, an illusion, or $date $time GMT || <reply> You are educated stupid and therefore too dumb to understand nature's perfect time cube! ($date $time GMT) || <reply> $date $time GMT" |
| 15:01.22 | Thrae | Only gives GMT |
| 15:03.34 | Nom- | purl: clock? |
| 15:03.36 | purl | hmm... clock is tikking rapidly agains 00:30, and somebody must get up in the morning... thanx for all the help. Goodnight! |
| 15:03.46 | Nom- | LAX: Tue 8:03am PDT / CHI: Tue 10:03am CDT / NYC: Tue 11:03am EDT / LON: Tue 4:03pm BST / BER: Tue 5:03pm CEST / IND: Tue 8:33pm IST / TOK: Wed 12:03am JST / SYD: Wed 1:03am EST / |
| 15:03.50 | Nom- | there you go... |
| 15:04.23 | Nom- | purl: clock is <rss=http://newbabe.pobox.com/~rspier/cgi-bin/clock.cgi> |
| 15:04.25 | purl | ...but clock is already something else... |
| 15:04.33 | Nom- | no purl, clock is <rss=http://newbabe.pobox.com/~rspier/cgi-bin/clock.cgi> |
| 15:05.06 | Nom- | purl: clock? |
| 15:05.09 | purl | well, clock is tikking rapidly agains 00:30, and somebody must get up in the morning... thanx for all the help. Goodnight! |
| 15:05.21 | Nom- | purl: no, clock is <rss=http://newbabe.pobox.com/~rspier/cgi-bin/clock.cgi> |
| 15:05.22 | purl | Nom-: okay |
| 15:05.27 | Nom- | purl: clock? |
| 15:05.29 | purl | [clock] <rss=http://newbabe.pobox.com/~rspier/cgi-bin/clock.cgi> |
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| 15:05.34 | Nom- | bah |
| 15:05.37 | Nom- | stupid bot! |
| 15:05.47 | Nom- | purl needs an upgrade |
| 15:06.01 | Nerinia | purl, upgrade! |
| 15:06.04 | purl | [upgrade] to upload the files and run the /setup/upgrade.php script from 0.9.8 and higher |
| 15:07.11 | Nom- | purl: version? |
| 15:07.14 | purl | [version] Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename> |
| 15:07.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | you can hop in #worldofwarcraft on that network for general discussion too |
| 15:07.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | but the actual interview thing with everyone's submitted questions is going on in #straticshoc |
| 15:07.38 | Nom- | someone upgrade purl to 0.44.3 or later |
| 15:08.53 | Nom- | #1 question: Why do you hate Paladins? |
| 15:09.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's so bizarre to see everyone with my hostmask on that network |
| 15:09.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | at first i was like |
| 15:09.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | uhh, do i have an irc virus and those are my zombies or something? |
| 15:11.10 | Nom- | lol |
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| 15:23.52 | Kaydeethree | oh, ouch. the 2.1 changes thread is broken |
| 15:24.03 | Kaydeethree | someone ping slouken |
| 15:25.28 | cogwheel|work | We need Iriel, really :P |
| 15:26.07 | cogwheel|work | that being said, the way some of the discussions have been, I wouldn't mind if it stayed locked for a while >< |
| 15:26.19 | Kaydeethree | ha |
| 15:26.22 | Kaydeethree | ya* |
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| 15:29.38 | YammYgirlcoding | guys. Anyone knows if Advanced Tradeskills Window addon is no longer working after patch? Cause blizz added some search functions, i guess It will bug the addon. Will it? |
| 15:30.16 | cogwheel|work | it shouldn't... ATSW completely replaces the default trade skill windows afaik... |
| 15:30.17 | Kaydeethree | I haven't tried it on the ptr, dunno |
| 15:39.52 | YammYgirlcoding | cause like. If atws replaces all the UI, i guess the new blizz search won't appear. isnt it? |
| 15:44.58 | amro | no, it wont |
| 15:52.57 | Industrial | Anyone good with secure frames? |
| 15:52.57 | Industrial | wtb stances on my bar :< http://pastey.net/31043 |
| 15:53.21 | cogwheel|work | Industrial: wait for 2.1. it'll be much easier then |
| 15:53.32 | cogwheel|work | for now, though, check out the code for CogsBar v1.1 |
| 15:53.46 | cogwheel|work | it has extensive comments on how to get states working on secure frames |
| 15:55.45 | Cide | hooksecurefunc('ActionButton_HideGrid', nil) -- does this even do anything, ever? |
| 15:56.09 | Cide | I don't think you can unhook with that function |
| 15:56.16 | Legorol | Hm, I keep getting disconnected when i link the Sword of Serenity (quest reward from SM) based on my ancient quest history. Does this mean that noone on the server has used/seen the sword since last maintenance? :D |
| 15:56.16 | cogwheel|work | Can't unhook |
| 15:56.27 | cogwheel|work | that might create an extra, unused call though |
| 15:56.33 | Xuerian | Legorol: yeah. |
| 15:56.45 | Cide | cogwheel|work: yeah, it might |
| 15:56.54 | Legorol | Xuerian: that is just sad, that's a nice sword |
| 16:02.36 | Industrial | cogwheel|work: I think illw ait for 2.1 then =D |
| 16:02.45 | Industrial | cogwheel|work: or wait.. is it this week? |
| 16:03.20 | cogwheel|work | my guess is next... |
| 16:03.41 | cogwheel|work | 'cause it would've been today if it was this week |
| 16:04.16 | cogwheel|work | The general concepts will be the same. In fact, CogsBar works without modification on the PTR |
| 16:06.02 | Nerinia | cogwheel|work: with "easier" you mean the new RegisterStateDriver? |
| 16:06.59 | cogwheel|work | yep. Actually, it really makes combining different types of states easier (like action bar page and stance to emulate the default UI). if you're just interested in one state, the built-in state driver should be fine |
| 16:07.14 | cogwheel|work | (assuming the state itself is supported by the built-in driver) |
| 16:10.42 | Kaydeethree | ...and down goes the forums |
| 16:10.42 | cogwheel|work | wtb working curse... |
| 16:10.52 | cogwheel|work | & forums :P |
| 16:13.01 | Vilkku | hi guys, I need you to ID something for me |
| 16:13.02 | Vilkku | http://www.warcraftmovies.com/movieview.php?id=40127 |
| 16:13.27 | Vilkku | in that movie there are numbers (assuming they are heals) popping over other people, what mod does that? is it just SCTD? |
| 16:13.39 | Vilkku | Kaydeethree: >< |
| 16:13.51 | Kaydeethree | by default heals will show like damage does over the player's head in 2.1 |
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| 16:14.02 | Kaydeethree | you can use SCT and have it hook in to the v-key healthbars if you can't wait a week |
| 16:14.03 | Vilkku | aah |
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| 16:14.12 | Kaydeethree | s/player's/target's/ |
| 16:14.18 | Vilkku | no I just wondering if I was missing out on anything |
| 16:14.23 | Vilkku | I was* |
| 16:14.48 | Vilkku | thanks :) |
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| 16:15.29 | cogwheel|work | Crying out loud what possesses people to swarm the forums on maintenance day? Is it really just boredom or are people just clueless and want to know what's going on? |
| 16:15.29 | Industrial | cogwheel|work: ok |
| 16:15.43 | Industrial | cogwheel|work: i bet boredom |
| 16:15.52 | Xuerian | Boredom, their only source of entertainment is gone |
| 16:15.56 | Xuerian | So now they must talk about it |
| 16:16.02 | foxlit | They're out to annoy you! |
| 16:16.17 | cogwheel|work | I KNEW IT! |
| 16:16.29 | cogwheel|work | (not sry caps) |
| 16:16.46 | Kalman| | Does use of a /stopcasting macro affect the UNIT_SPELLCAST_SUCCEEDED event? |
| 16:17.12 | cogwheel|work | Kalman|: The succeeded is sent back by the server afaik, so I can't imagine it wouldn't occur |
| 16:17.40 | foxlit | Here's what's interesting: /stopcasting /cast Healing Touch has a much larger margin of failure than jumping and recasting HT |
| 16:18.21 | foxlit | i.e. you'd have to tap the macro about 1s before the first HT lands, or it eats your casting on the client ("spell not ready yet"), and the original HT lands |
| 16:18.21 | Kalman| | cogwheel|work: Hm. Trying to isolate why certain casts of SWP or VT, typically casts initiating combat, won't fire off a bar. |
| 16:18.36 | foxlit | Whereas you can jump even 0.3s away from HT landing and abort it |
| 16:20.36 | foxlit | Kalman: it's likely that you get SPELLCAST_STOP or the channeling alternative within a few frames of getting _START |
| 16:21.07 | Kalman| | I'm not registered for START or STOP, which I think are deprecated now anyway. |
| 16:21.19 | foxlit | They still have a use. |
| 16:21.52 | foxlit | My latest iteration of unitframe code simply ignores STOP; but that means that spells cast by monsters that are interrupted by stuff like stuns don't get interrupted on castbar. |
| 16:22.21 | Kalman| | Right. I ignore STOP, so no reason it would prevent a SUCCEEDED event from firing a candybar |
| 16:24.08 | foxlit | I've also had situations where client and server have different ideas of what you're casting. |
| 16:25.14 | foxlit | Typically client thinks you're casting nothing while server finishes the spell you wanted to cast |
| 16:27.02 | Hallu | errm... but then you have whatever time it takes for you to land back on the ground |
| 16:27.07 | Hallu | that sounds lame to me |
| 16:31.23 | Shirik | what the hell |
| 16:31.27 | Shirik | I disconnected like |
| 16:31.30 | Shirik | an hour and a half ago |
| 16:31.32 | Shirik | and you're still here |
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| 16:32.05 | Shirik | o.o |
| 16:32.06 | Shirik | wtf |
| 16:32.31 | Shirik | ok |
| 16:32.41 | Shirik | my laptop has been on inside my bag for the last hour and a half >.> |
| 16:33.09 | Shirik | the wireless network on the school is rather impressive if it managed to stay connected as I traversed across four buildings too o.o |
| 16:35.30 | foxlit | wtb: public key cryptography (integrity and authenticity verification) in lua. PST. |
| 16:36.47 | foxlit | Wonder why the forum icon is a troll |
| 16:36.48 | Shirik | ok |
| 16:36.56 | Shirik | function validate() return true; end |
| 16:37.14 | Shirik | pass in a value for the signature |
| 16:37.17 | Kalman| | foxlit: I can't replicate it, either. Argh. |
| 16:37.40 | Shirik | >>> function validate() return true; end print(validate("87d8c9dbd9a7ca97bdcacd97bdace")); |
| 16:37.41 | Cide | Shirik: true |
| 16:37.44 | Shirik | there you go |
| 16:37.48 | Shirik | signature verification |
| 16:38.12 | Shirik | the real problem is the lack of a private key |
| 16:39.12 | Kaso | Why would you need anything as complicated as that foxlit? |
| 16:39.23 | foxlit | I'm under the impression you can use an arbirely trusted public key to verify a signature |
| 16:39.34 | foxlit | To be honest, I don't. |
| 16:39.47 | foxlit | It'd be nice to be able to push live addon patches, but I'm not writing that yet. |
| 16:40.10 | Kaso | by live you mean, ingame RunScript stylie? |
| 16:40.22 | foxlit | Something like that. |
| 16:41.02 | Shirik | yeah I would like that too |
| 16:41.08 | Shirik | and I've thought about it |
| 16:41.13 | Shirik | but I can't think of any good way to make it secure |
| 16:41.20 | Shirik | aside from perhaps on my own server |
| 16:41.28 | Shirik | where everyone can submit a request direct to me to validate it |
| 16:41.43 | foxlit | That's where cryptography comes in. |
| 16:41.54 | Shirik | but then you go back to the lack of a private key |
| 16:42.06 | foxlit | Your private key stays with you :) |
| 16:42.16 | foxlit | Clients only need the public key. |
| 16:42.22 | Shirik | hm |
| 16:42.27 | Shirik | I guess that's right |
| 16:42.41 | Shirik | for some reason I was stuck on the fact that the client needed the private key to encode it |
| 16:42.48 | cogwheel|work | the public key is for sending the data... you'd still need a private key to receive it... |
| 16:43.04 | Shirik | ah right |
| 16:43.10 | cogwheel|work | would you only be accepting it from trusted sources then? |
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| 16:43.40 | cogwheel|work | because anyone with the public key could send you code... |
| 16:43.40 | Shirik | yeah that's the only way I can think of doing it, by doing something like validating everything through me |
| 16:43.46 | Shirik | which, by the way, has been done before |
| 16:43.49 | foxlit | cogwheel: how does SSL work? |
| 16:44.05 | Shirik | foxlit: Your client encrypts the information with the public key |
| 16:44.08 | Shirik | the server decrypts it |
| 16:44.10 | cogwheel|work | afaik, the client and server exchange public keys |
| 16:44.16 | Shirik | your client also gives a public key to the server |
| 16:44.27 | Shirik | to encrypt information, and then your client has its own private key to decrypt thati nformation |
| 16:44.55 | cogwheel|work | you still have to verify that you trust the server |
| 16:44.58 | foxlit | Shirik: you're describing the mechanism for establishing a secure channel. The secondary objective of SSL is that it's a secure channel to your desired destination. |
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| 16:45.21 | Kaydeethree | that's where certs come in |
| 16:45.42 | Kaydeethree | servers with ssl will have a certificate from a trusted authority that says "yes, I am who I say I am" |
| 16:45.55 | foxlit | Hi, I'm an addon author and I'm a trusted authority. |
| 16:45.58 | Shirik | right, and the authority is the problem |
| 16:46.23 | Shirik | like, in HTTP services, a trusted authority might be Verisign |
| 16:46.35 | foxlit | But you don't contact verisign to verify a certificate! |
| 16:46.47 | Shirik | no, but you can validate they signed it |
| 16:47.01 | Shirik | hm |
| 16:47.02 | Shirik | ok |
| 16:47.10 | Shirik | But that's the extent of my SSL knowledge |
| 16:47.17 | Shirik | I have no idea how that works >< |
| 16:47.32 | foxlit | Continuing with the metaphor, I generate a certificate for the addon patch which can be verified by the clients. |
| 16:47.49 | foxlit | Me (CA) ==> Pre-determined content (patch) + Signature (Certificate) |
| 16:47.58 | Shirik | There was a chapter in my discrete structures book |
| 16:48.03 | Shirik | about this stuff |
| 16:48.05 | Shirik | I skipped it :P |
| 16:48.12 | Shirik | well I read some of it |
| 16:48.15 | Shirik | then I skipped it |
| 16:48.19 | foxlit | I don't even have to ensure that the channel is secure, since I don't care about anyone watching me download a patch through wow :) |
| 16:48.40 | Shirik | I'm in your channelz! Stealing your codez! |
| 16:50.17 | foxlit | But basically, you need hashing and public-key encryption |
| 16:52.13 | Shirik | qq at server is busy |
| 16:52.15 | Shirik | that means sleep time |
| 16:52.37 | Shirik|zZz | >.> |
| 16:52.39 | Shirik|zZz | I hate you nickserv |
| 16:54.20 | Kaydeethree | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:58.02 | End | Hmm, this channel seems very quiet right now :P |
| 16:58.19 | cogwheel|work | we stopped talking as soon as you logged in |
| 16:58.24 | End | oh, ok |
| 16:58.27 | cogwheel|work | :P |
| 16:58.39 | cogwheel|work | Not that there's a causitive relationship or anything... |
| 16:59.11 | End | Not that there isn't either ;p |
| 16:59.32 | End | We may need to investigate |
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| 17:26.23 | Aella | (waves back) |
| 17:27.23 | Xuerian | Aella: ssh tunnel to irssi |
| 17:27.54 | Aella | Elaborate on Irssi? |
| 17:28.31 | Xuerian | http://www.irssi.org/ pretty much covers it. Though I suppose if you're using a tunnel, you could use anything. |
| 17:28.53 | Aella | <doh>, I thought you meant someone had a public IRC relay up somewhere. |
| 17:29.14 | Xuerian | Yeah, I did word that rather badly |
| 17:29.36 | Xuerian | Just setup a tunnel to your house :] |
| 17:29.48 | Aella | Now to convince the family to not turn the computer off at night >.> |
| 17:30.31 | Xuerian | Easy, tell them that they can turn off the monitor, but turning the computer off and on is hard on it, and causes it to die faster :D |
| 17:31.04 | Aella | 1) we have a laptop and an iMac, 2) my Dad knows a bit more about computers than that. |
| 17:31.33 | Xuerian | It's not necessarily untrue o_0 |
| 17:31.42 | Aella | Fair enough. |
| 17:32.24 | Aella | Hurg, don't really feel like setting up a dynamic DNS or something… |
| 17:33.26 | Thunder_Child | hmm..i wonder if there is an irc client that can go over port 80 |
| 17:33.29 | Xuerian | Or you could propose a web pc project, for a ultra-efficient box you could leave on all the time and use to browse the web at home, and tunnel to when not :P |
| 17:33.52 | cogwheel|work | I use a laptop as my server at home :P |
| 17:35.55 | Xuerian | Heheh, indeed, or a old laptop :P |
| 17:35.56 | Aella | I should leech an old Linux box away from the school. |
| 17:35.56 | Xuerian | There's a idea :D |
| 17:35.56 | Aella | "Mmm, yes, I need this box to get around the campus firewall, yes." |
| 17:36.14 | Kirkburn|afk | Is ircatwork.com appropriate for this? |
| 17:36.36 | Aella | Never seen that. |
| 17:36.45 | Thunder_Child | hmm..seems logical...nope not apropriate |
| 17:36.49 | Xuerian | Kirkburn|afk: But that would make sense, and not involve any hardware |
| 17:36.49 | Kirkburn|afk | Works very well :) |
| 17:36.55 | Xuerian | See, Thunder_Child said it. It's logical |
| 17:36.58 | Xuerian | THEREFORE NO |
| 17:37.01 | Kirkburn|afk | hehe |
| 17:37.13 | Aella | But…but…but…personal dedicated shiny Linux servers… |
| 17:37.14 | Thunder_Child | exactly...logic is not welcome here |
| 17:37.20 | Aella | …shiny… |
| 17:37.21 | Thunder_Child | ~shoo logic |
| 17:37.30 | Kirkburn|afk | (separate channels with a comma) |
| 17:37.36 | Xuerian | Haha, I like this one :P |
| 17:37.40 | Thunder_Child | purl you fail |
| 17:37.43 | purl | ACTION slaps you for calling her a failure. |
| 17:38.20 | cogwheel|work | ~comfort Thunder_Child |
| 17:38.22 | purl | There, there, Thunder_Child. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 17:38.43 | Xuerian | Nice, purl. Real nice. Slap him, then try to comfort him... Talk about mixed messages! |
| 17:38.56 | Thunder_Child | just like all women..... |
| 17:38.59 | Thunder_Child | :) |
| 17:40.04 | cogwheel|work | omg ur real gurl? |
| 17:40.06 | cogwheel|work | >< |
| 17:40.31 | cogwheel|work | ~seen Cairenn |
| 17:40.52 | purl | cairenn <n=Cairenn@MMOI/Administratrix/Cairenn> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 3d 12h 1m 35s ago, saying: 'rofl'. |
| 17:40.54 | Xuerian | And a geeky one at that. Two geeky women in the channel! We're on holy ground XD |
| 17:40.54 | cogwheel|work | ~seen purl |
| 17:40.59 | purl | purl is currently on #casualti (5d 2h 21m 25s) #botpark (5d 2h 21m 25s) #linuxfund (5d 2h 21m 25s) #wowi-lounge (5d 2h 21m 25s) #edev (5d 2h 21m 25s) #fossfund (5d 2h 21m 25s) #hosernet (5d 2h 21m 25s) #norganna (5d 2h 21m 25s) #creativeforum (5d 2h 21m 25s) #ud (5d 2h 21m 25s) #dub ... |
| 17:41.36 | Xuerian | ... Well damn. She got away. |
| 17:41.42 | Mikk | "On the internet, men are boys, women are boys, and 14-year-old girls are FBI agents" |
| 17:41.42 | Thunder_Child | calmly cog calmly |
| 17:41.43 | Thunder_Child | s/calmly cog calmly/calmly cog, calmly/ |
| 17:41.43 | Thunder_Child | damit purl |
| 17:42.13 | Thunder_Child | heh |
| 17:42.16 | Thunder_Child | she is never afk |
| 17:42.22 | Thunder_Child | didnt you read the rules? |
| 17:42.23 | Xuerian | I prefer "Welcome to IRC; Where the men are men, the women are men, and the 14-year-old-girls are FBI agents." |
| 17:42.23 | Mikk | :S |
| 17:42.43 | Aella | Like the cat, she is both always and never AFK, and until you press her, her state is unknown. |
| 17:43.03 | cogwheel|work | Gurl who knows schroedinger??!! |
| 17:43.09 | Aella | Wha? |
| 17:43.26 | Schroedinger | Lies |
| 17:43.30 | cogwheel|work | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schr%C3%B6dinger's_cat |
| 17:43.38 | Cide | haha, that's such an awesome theory |
| 17:43.40 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn|afk: is in a box |
| 17:43.50 | Mikk | Q.E.D. |
| 17:43.54 | Thunder_Child | lol @ cog |
| 17:44.06 | cogwheel|work | Aella: why'd you run then? :P |
| 17:44.29 | Aella | When the /slapping and the /comforting starts making its rounds, there's only one sane option. |
| 17:44.38 | cogwheel|work | hehe |
| 17:45.04 | Xuerian | The rule never fails. |
| 17:45.53 | Aella | local temp = true; true = false; false = temp; |
| 17:45.56 | Aella | What now?! |
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| 17:46.12 | Xuerian | Syntax Error near =. |
| 17:46.21 | cogwheel|work | true, false = false, true |
| 17:46.23 | cogwheel|work | :P |
| 17:47.04 | cogwheel|work | 'cept they're keywords :( |
| 17:47.06 | Aella | Or are they… |
| 17:47.06 | Xuerian | That'd be halarious to do to wow's lua env |
| 17:47.10 | cogwheel|work | hehe |
| 17:47.20 | cogwheel|work | >>> true, false = false, true |
| 17:47.20 | Cide | cogwheel|work: [string "true, false = false, true"]:1: unexpected symbol near 'true' |
| 17:48.02 | Aella | But truth values would still be the same. =( |
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| 17:51.09 | Cide | >>> _G["true"] = false |
| 17:51.09 | Cide | Cide: nil |
| 17:51.13 | Cide | >>> _G["true"] = false; return true |
| 17:51.13 | Cide | Cide: true |
| 17:51.16 | Cide | hehe :) |
| 17:51.43 | Xuerian | lol. |
| 17:52.27 | Aella | Obviously it worked! |
| 17:52.43 | Cide | >>> _G[true] = false; return true |
| 17:52.43 | Cide | Cide: true |
| 17:52.55 | Aella | The interpreter obviously does a reverse lookup on the global environment to obtain the string value of a boolean. |
| 17:53.01 | Cide | it's true! |
| 17:53.24 | cogwheel|work | This sentence is a lie. |
| 17:53.32 | Aella | #REF! |
| 17:53.37 | cogwheel|work | :) |
| 17:54.03 | Cide | >>> nil = true |
| 17:54.03 | Cide | Cide: [string "nil = true"]:1: unexpected symbol near 'nil' |
| 17:54.06 | Cide | would be fun |
| 17:54.37 | Cide | setmetatable(_G, { __index = function() return true; end }) |
| 17:55.04 | Xuerian | Nasty. |
| 17:55.36 | Aella | The most fun thing would be: setmetatable("", { __eq = function () return false; end }) |
| 17:56.06 | Aella | (index metamethods are only called if nil exists at that index, correct?) |
| 17:56.26 | Cide | if that index does not exist, yeah |
| 17:56.47 | Cide | >>> setmetatable(_G, { __index = function() return true; end }) return foo, bar, table |
| 17:56.47 | Cide | Cide: true, true, { ["setn"] = function: 009381A8, ["insert"] = function: 007C1EA0, ["getn"] = function: 007C1E20, ["foreachi"] = function: 007C1E00, ["maxn"] = function: 007C1E60, ["foreach"] = function:... (exceeded 200 characters) |
| 17:56.48 | cogwheel|work | >>> print("" == ""); setmetatable("", {__eq = function() return false; end}) print(""=="") |
| 17:56.48 | Cide | cogwheel|work: [string "print("" == ""); setmetatable("", {__eq = f..."]:1: bad argument #1 to 'setmetatable' (table expected, got string) |
| 17:57.30 | cogwheel|work | >>> print("" == ""); getmetatable("").__eq = function() return false; end print(""=="") |
| 17:57.31 | Cide | cogwheel|work: true, true |
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| 17:58.31 | Kaso | i wish you could use >>> as a nickname |
| 17:58.36 | Kaso | so much fun! |
| 17:58.47 | Aella | >>> getmetatable("").__eq = function() return false; end; return "x" == "y" |
| 17:58.48 | Cide | Aella: false |
| 17:58.56 | Aella | D'oh |
| 17:59.10 | Aella | getmetatable("").__eq = function() return false; end; return "x" == "x" |
| 17:59.16 | Cide | fail :P |
| 17:59.19 | Aella | Double d'oh |
| 17:59.37 | Aella | This is why I like the /script command. If you screw up, only you find out. |
| 17:59.39 | Aella | >>> getmetatable("").__eq = function() return false; end; return "x" == "x" |
| 17:59.40 | Cide | Aella: true |
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| 17:59.53 | cogwheel|work | Aella: /msg Cide >>> "Hello" |
| 17:59.57 | cogwheel|work | :P |
| 18:00.00 | Cide | so add a /script alias to your irc client :) or what cog said |
| 18:00.03 | Aella | Devious |
| 18:00.07 | Aella | Simply… devious |
| 18:00.25 | Aella | I'm obviously not enough of an IRC nerd |
| 18:00.41 | Cide | cogwheel|work: got the bot to auto-launch btw! |
| 18:00.47 | cogwheel|work | woot :) |
| 18:02.34 | Bam__ | secure attributes are bad for your self-confidense :/ |
| 18:02.51 | cogwheel|work | >>> while true do end |
| 18:02.53 | cogwheel|work | >>> "multiple processes?" |
| 18:02.57 | Cide | cogwheel|work: maximum execution time (5s) exceeded |
| 18:02.57 | Cide | cogwheel|work: "multiple processes?" |
| 18:03.09 | zenzelezz | Bam__: you're saying secure attributes make you feel insecure? |
| 18:03.30 | Bam__ | zenzelezz: more like in total panic :P |
| 18:03.58 | Bam__ | ohh got your pun now.. lol.. im slow today :P |
| 18:04.12 | Aella | Don't---*say*--that… word… *glances at kernel quickly* |
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| 18:15.00 | Mikk | Gah.. where'd clad put the wow compatible lua5.1 binaries again ... :S |
| 18:15.20 | Xuerian | What's special about them? 0.o |
| 18:15.32 | Mikk | They're less forgiving than the standard 5.1 binaries |
| 18:15.41 | Mikk | No backwards compat stuff enabled |
| 18:15.49 | Mikk | Point plx? |
| 18:16.02 | Mikk | ah, wowinterface |
| 18:16.04 | nevcairiel | yea |
| 18:16.18 | cogwheel|work | http://sf.net/projects/lua511wow imo |
| 18:17.09 | cogwheel|work | >>> "\73\32\117\115\101\32\116\104\97\116\32\102\111\114\32\116\104\105\115\32\98\111\116" |
| 18:17.09 | Cide | cogwheel|work: "I use that for this bot" |
| 18:17.21 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 18:17.34 | Cide | yep |
| 18:19.29 | cogwheel|work | Mine also has C implementations of strconcat, strjoin, strtrim & strsplit |
| 18:19.39 | cogwheel|work | and bitlib included |
| 18:20.14 | cogwheel|work | are we getting a new wowbench soon? :P |
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| 18:22.26 | Bam__ | I heard Mikk was working hard on a new one :P |
| 18:22.55 | cogwheel|work | heh... I didn't even attempt to support taint in lua511wow, but i'd be happy to give you svn access if you want to give it a go ;) |
| 18:23.04 | Mikk | THAT ain't happening |
| 18:23.40 | Aella | Should be doable with a well-formed gsub… right… right!? (looks around at the empty room) |
| 18:23.50 | Bam__ | is the taint system something Blizzard has implemented entirely? |
| 18:23.57 | cogwheel|work | yes |
| 18:23.58 | Mikk | it is |
| 18:24.08 | Bam__ | well if they can.... :P |
| 18:24.18 | Mikk | well ok it's entirely possible some other entity has done a private imlementation of something.... possibly even for lua |
| 18:24.19 | cogwheel|work | slouken's hacked up the lua code quite a bit for WoW :) |
| 18:24.28 | Mikk | but it's certainly NOT a standard part of Lua |
| 18:24.34 | Mikk | since Lua is meant to be a light-weight programming language |
| 18:24.43 | Mikk | with as little implementation-specific crud as possible |
| 18:24.56 | Bam__ | well I'd imagine it could be of use to others actually |
| 18:25.28 | cogwheel|work | Bam__: no one's denying that... it's just a very specific set of scenarios though |
| 18:25.34 | cogwheel|work | better to be handled by a library |
| 18:25.34 | Mikk | VERY specific |
| 18:26.22 | Mikk | had they thought out the plan from scratch today, it's entirely possible that they'd have coded those bits in C or put it into a separate lua context |
| 18:26.31 | Mikk | and not have had to deal with tainting at all |
| 18:27.08 | Mikk | (just guesswork from my part, i know... just saying it's possible) |
| 18:27.23 | Bam__ | a redesign of their own UI code might have been able to achieve the same really |
| 18:27.59 | Mikk | aye.. put the iffy stuff in a separate lua context and just give us events when stuff happens |
| 18:27.59 | cogwheel|work | But would they really prioritize making our lives easier over theirs? |
| 18:28.01 | Mikk | problem solved |
| 18:28.08 | Bam__ | nope :P |
| 18:28.30 | Bam__ | but I wonder if it wouldn't actually have been easier for them too |
| 18:28.43 | Bam__ | not that I know how hard the tainting system was to implement |
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| 19:05.52 | Mikk | Did I stick my nose too deep in the glue can again or is there really no event that fires when you leave a group? |
| 19:06.45 | Mikk | Or when you join one? |
| 19:07.01 | Mikk | (And preferably not when you get moved around inside a raid :S) |
| 19:07.09 | Cide | PARTY_MEMBERS_CHANGED most likely |
| 19:07.12 | cogwheel|work | PARTY_MEMBERS_CHANGED |
| 19:07.20 | Mikk | bleh |
| 19:07.29 | foxlit | CHAT_MSG_SYSTEM, but that's not only for what you're looking at |
| 19:08.05 | Mikk | Hrms... PARTY_MEMBERS_CHANGED i suppose.. with state keeping logic for if i was already in a party/raid |
| 19:08.35 | cogwheel|work | UnitExists("party1") |
| 19:08.43 | nevcairiel | you can always check for numpartymembers and numraidmembers |
| 19:08.45 | nevcairiel | or whatever |
| 19:08.46 | foxlit | Cogwheel: you're in a party, all alone |
| 19:09.01 | Aella | No, you aren't. |
| 19:09.01 | foxlit | party1 will not exist. |
| 19:09.02 | nevcairiel | you can be in a party alone |
| 19:09.03 | nevcairiel | being in a raid |
| 19:09.13 | Aella | Yeah, but party1-party4 will never be you. |
| 19:09.21 | Mikk | no but it can be nil in a raid |
| 19:09.48 | foxlit | I suppose you could combine it with GetNumRaidMembers() to determine if you're in a party |
| 19:10.02 | foxlit | Either GNRM > 0, or party1 exists, or you're solo. |
| 19:10.15 | Cide | UnitInParty("player") |
| 19:10.23 | Mikk | ooooooh |
| 19:10.29 | foxlit | Be careful about those functions when leaving/joining, though |
| 19:10.39 | foxlit | (UnitInRaid as well) |
| 19:10.41 | Mikk | hrms, absolutely true |
| 19:10.50 | nevcairiel | if (GetNumPartyMembers() + GetNumRaidMembers()) > 0 then print("in party") end |
| 19:10.50 | Mikk | i'm just gonna have to go test aren't i |
| 19:10.54 | nevcairiel | or whatever |
| 19:10.59 | Aella | Might be easiest to follow nevcairiel. |
| 19:11.02 | Cide | UnitInRaid("player") returns false when in a raid subgroup with 0 party members, however |
| 19:11.03 | Mikk | aye |
| 19:11.06 | Cide | err |
| 19:11.14 | Mikk | UnitInParty? |
| 19:11.15 | Cide | s/UnitInRaid/UnitInParty/ |
| 19:11.49 | Aella | All the in-group checks I've found in the UI code involve GNPM and GNRM. |
| 19:11.55 | Cide | ( UnitInRaid("player") or UnitInParty("player") ) -- true when grouped |
| 19:12.08 | Cide | that's because these functions are pretty recently added |
| 19:12.37 | Xuerian | cide: Are those more efficient than a GN*M() > 0? |
| 19:12.38 | foxlit | Meh, someone should just request a PLAYER_JOINED_GROUP("raid|party"), PLAYER_LEFT_GROUP |
| 19:12.46 | Aella | This includes the code that checks if you can do a ready check or not. |
| 19:12.53 | Cide | Xuerian: no idea - quite possibly |
| 19:13.12 | Xuerian | Will have to try 'em out then. |
| 19:13.51 | Cide | Aella: that's because you have to loop from 1 to GNRM to find out which rank you are of (unless they added a function for that) |
| 19:14.06 | Aella | No, they have a function for that now |
| 19:14.11 | Cide | ah, cool |
| 19:14.14 | Aella | function RaidFrameReadyCheckButton_Update() … if ( GetNumRaidMembers() > 0 and IsRaidLeader() ) then … |
| 19:14.14 | Cide | (blizzard cheats) |
| 19:14.28 | Cide | yeah, like I said, the functions are pretty recent |
| 19:14.34 | Aella | Even the macro conditionals use GNPM and GNRM. |
| 19:14.57 | Cide | that doesn't mean that UnitInParty/Raid are wrong |
| 19:15.04 | Cide | I'd argue they are better for both clarity and function |
| 19:15.20 | Aella | Yeah, just not sure about if they're correct on the event firing, though I don't see why they wouldn't be. |
| 19:15.25 | Cide | and you don't have to worry about implementation details |
| 19:15.49 | Cide | whereas with GN[R/P]M you have to rely on the underlying implementation to decide whether you're grouped -- bad |
| 19:16.49 | Mikk | i'm checking up on whether they're accurate or not |
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| 19:25.46 | Vilkku | anyone ever experienced shift-clicking on player [name]s not working? |
| 19:26.08 | Vilkku | which I think is related to why WIM isn't showing any info of the player you are chatting with |
| 19:26.20 | Vilkku | aka any addon known for doing this? |
| 19:26.45 | Mikk | UnitInParty("player") always returns true |
| 19:26.49 | Mikk | ^ useless |
| 19:27.29 | Xuerian | Wait, aren't those "UnitIn[My]Party/Raid"? o_0 |
| 19:27.50 | Mikk | I'd assume so yeah |
| 19:27.55 | Mikk | heh, from wowwiki: Observed in 2.0.3: UnitInParty("player") always returns true. Even when you are not in a party. Assumed reason being: you are always in your own party (of at least one, yourself.) |
| 19:28.03 | Xuerian | :P |
| 19:29.00 | Mikk | Anyway.. GetNumPartyMembers() will return what it should upon you joining/leaving groups |
| 19:29.03 | Mikk | So it's reliable |
| 19:29.21 | Xuerian | yay for testing. |
| 19:30.57 | Aella | Have you tried UnitPlayerOrPetInParty? (Probably same thing.) |
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| 19:37.58 | Mikk | ebbeh |
| 19:38.02 | Mikk | what's the difference? o.O |
| 19:38.20 | Mikk | That UnitInParty("playerpet") always returns false? |
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| 19:42.51 | foxlit | The big question is, UnitInWhoseParty? |
| 19:44.43 | bnovc | does anyone know of a mod that will do something like /rw PLAYERNAME's BUBBLE HAS GONE OFF in arena? |
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| 19:52.46 | Hallu | have you guys been to barrens chat?! I mean #worldofwarcraft on stratics |
| 19:53.11 | Guillotine | lol |
| 19:53.13 | Guillotine | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:53.28 | Guillotine | I was arguing in there with someone yesterday about whether shaman have always been the underdog |
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| 19:54.02 | Kaydeethree | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:54.08 | Kaydeethree | "Shamans will no longer take damage." |
| 19:55.07 | Guillotine | shaman may not be the most powerful now (though they still benefit a group quite a bit), but at one point, they were gods |
| 19:56.31 | Cide | only in solo pvp really |
| 19:56.40 | Cide | never been that great groups |
| 19:57.14 | Cide | s/great/great in/ |
| 19:57.19 | KarlThePagan | arenas have really redefined what's a great group class |
| 19:57.28 | Guillotine | right |
| 19:57.50 | Hallu | Holy paladin, mortal strike warrior, shaman, mage, lets say... rogue |
| 19:57.51 | Hallu | yup |
| 19:57.59 | KarlThePagan | I'm not sure where it puts shamans... but they are extremely nice for heroism, totems, and such |
| 19:58.07 | KarlThePagan | mana tide <3 |
| 19:58.15 | Hallu | shamans in 5 man arena ftw |
| 19:58.16 | KarlThePagan | and purge |
| 19:58.16 | Josh_Borke | anyone good with linux? |
| 19:58.37 | Kaydeethree | what do you need? |
| 19:58.56 | Josh_Borke | can i make a new kernel load a module compiled for an old kernel? |
| 19:59.03 | Kaydeethree | no |
| 19:59.06 | Cide | rogue? more like priest :) |
| 19:59.18 | KarlThePagan | priests are... squishy |
| 19:59.18 | Kaydeethree | easy, easy way to panic the kernel |
| 19:59.22 | Cide | KarlThePagan: uhh.. no |
| 19:59.32 | Cide | not if you're properly geared and you have a good group |
| 19:59.42 | Cide | solo sure, but that's not what arenas are about |
| 19:59.53 | KarlThePagan | squishy means you take damage easily |
| 20:00.06 | KarlThePagan | doesn't matter about having a good group |
| 20:00.10 | Cide | you're not gonna die |
| 20:00.15 | KarlThePagan | depends |
| 20:00.17 | Cide | which means killing you is a waste of time |
| 20:00.37 | KarlThePagan | paladins are better for that |
| 20:00.49 | Cide | that's why you have a paladin and priest |
| 20:00.59 | KarlThePagan | why not have 2 paladins |
| 20:01.04 | Cide | offensive dispel |
| 20:01.08 | Cide | mana burn |
| 20:01.10 | KarlThePagan | paladin & shaman |
| 20:01.11 | Cide | mass dispel |
| 20:01.15 | KarlThePagan | garbage |
| 20:01.19 | Cide | hahaha |
| 20:01.22 | KarlThePagan | maybe if they fix the bugs |
| 20:01.36 | Cide | priests are a key part in any 5v5 team at high levels |
| 20:01.39 | KarlThePagan | half the time i go to lay down a MD and i have to spam escape |
| 20:01.49 | Cide | just check out the top 5v5 teams' class makeup for verification |
| 20:02.20 | KarlThePagan | I believe these teams would still be close to where they are with a few class substitutions |
| 20:02.43 | Cide | perhaps, but the fact that they're running with priests (almost all of them I'm pretty certain) proves my point |
| 20:02.48 | Cide | priests are extremely viable in arenas |
| 20:02.53 | KarlThePagan | it proves cheddar cheese |
| 20:02.59 | KarlThePagan | they are viable but not required |
| 20:03.06 | KarlThePagan | and doesn't prove that they're not squishy |
| 20:03.10 | Cide | who has talked about requirements? |
| 20:03.21 | Cide | I just said priests are better than rogues |
| 20:03.42 | KarlThePagan | rogues lock down healers better than priests |
| 20:03.58 | KarlThePagan | really depends what you're facing |
| 20:04.15 | Cide | a priest is better than a rogue in 90% of all 5v5 groups |
| 20:04.24 | Cide | you also only put one healer in your group.. nice |
| 20:04.27 | KarlThePagan | I'd rather talk about specific cases |
| 20:04.37 | KarlThePagan | actually I put 3 healers in my group |
| 20:04.59 | Cide | paladin and shaman, so I guess 1.5 |
| 20:05.06 | KarlThePagan | but I chose my team for the people... not for their classes |
| 20:05.26 | KarlThePagan | more like 2.5 |
| 20:05.35 | KarlThePagan | but we're only 1600 |
| 20:05.37 | Cide | we were talking about what a great group class is |
| 20:06.19 | cogwheel|work | ~emulate cogwheel |
| 20:06.21 | purl | ACTION shakes its fist at the forums... http://ctscreens.net/5307 |
| 20:06.21 | KarlThePagan | actually we were talking about shamans until you joined in |
| 20:06.21 | Cide | basing your arguments on specific people doesn't sound incredibly valid |
| 20:06.50 | KarlThePagan | Cide, basing your arguments on various generalizations is better? |
| 20:07.16 | Cide | keeping to the general case sounds more valid to me |
| 20:07.37 | KarlThePagan | and in logic the way you prove the general case iss...... |
| 20:07.41 | Cide | generalizations maybe not, but if you think I made some overly incorrect generalizations, please point them out |
| 20:08.33 | Cide | if we're talking about a class' viability, is it better to talk about a specific person playing that class, or the class mechanics of that class? |
| 20:08.42 | KarlThePagan | in general I don't think a priest is required for endgame play at all |
| 20:08.52 | Cide | I have never said anything about endgame arena requirements |
| 20:09.25 | Cide | the only thing I've said regarding priests, really, is that they're vastly superior to rogues in most 5v5 arena battles |
| 20:09.31 | KarlThePagan | actually... "<Cide> just check out the top 5v5 teams' class makeup for verification" |
| 20:10.06 | Cide | what about that statement? |
| 20:10.26 | KarlThePagan | sorry this has now become a waste of my time... bye! |
| 20:10.35 | Cide | bye :) |
| 20:19.12 | bnovc | so anyone ever heard of a mod like i was suggesting? maybe i'll have to attempt to build it |
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| 20:24.55 | Fin | /msg purl emulate cide |
| 20:25.01 | Fin | oh dear |
| 20:25.05 | Fin | golly |
| 20:25.54 | Fin | bnovc: no, sorry |
| 20:28.24 | Guillotine | ROFL. go to http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/items/armorsets/ , go to Druid->Arena Gladiator Set->Gladiator's Sanctuary and look at the 4 piece bonus |
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| 20:30.56 | Gryphen | hehe |
| 20:31.02 | nevcairiel | i dont get it. |
| 20:31.09 | Gryphen | spelling |
| 20:31.30 | Gryphen | car form |
| 20:31.56 | nevcairiel | oh only on sanctuary |
| 20:31.59 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 20:32.12 | Guillotine | where do I get this car form? o.O |
| 20:33.39 | Xuerian | Bahahaha |
| 20:33.46 | Xuerian | I can totally see car form. |
| 20:34.29 | zenzelezz | it's Travel Form rank 3 |
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| 20:34.44 | End | see, I knew druids were really transformers |
| 20:35.33 | Guillotine | Transformers! Druids in disguise. Transformers! More than meets the eyes |
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| 20:53.19 | Josh_Borke | bb |
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| 21:01.21 | cogwheel|work | rofl@praxx http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=102739478&pageNo=1&sid=1 |
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| 21:08.45 | Bleeter | Cairenn|afk: for what it's worth, I hope you get as much of a giggle out of http://developer.pidgin.im/ticket/1029 as we did ;) |
| 21:08.46 | Bleeter | others would no doubt find humour in that ticket, too |
| 21:09.19 | Kaydeethree | lmao |
| 21:09.28 | Cairenn|afk | rofl |
| 21:09.58 | Cairenn|afk | whole new levels of stupidity on that one |
| 21:10.12 | Bleeter | Cairenn|afk: IM User stupidty knows no bounds |
| 21:11.17 | Cairenn|afk | "hey guys? not only am I so stupid that I used my password as my IM screen name, but now I'm going to post it on a public website too!" (and we won't even get into how disturbing that is as a pw to begin with) |
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| 21:11.39 | Kalman| | I just figured it was a status he didn't want to have publicly visible. |
| 21:11.56 | Cairenn|afk | re-read it |
| 21:12.16 | Kalman| | It isn't bad enough as a status? |
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| 21:17.58 | sysrage | lol wtf. not only did gaim get a horrible new name but they picked a horrible mascot/logo too! |
| 21:18.16 | sysrage | (yes i know how they came up with the name, it's still bad) |
| 21:18.16 | Xuerian | The aim guy/gAim was better? |
| 21:18.21 | sysrage | yes |
| 21:18.37 | Xuerian | Can't say I like pidgin, but I didn't like the last one either :p |
| 21:20.12 | Kalman| | So /stopcasting prevents the UNIT_SPELLCAST_SUCCEEDED event from occurring? |
| 21:21.21 | Xuerian | Pidgin wouldn'tve been so bad, if the pidgin itself didn't look so retarded... |
| 21:22.15 | Bleeter | as I've previously said in here, the design spec was for a 'clueless, stupid Pigeon', like the vast majority of IM users |
| 21:22.30 | Xuerian | Oh. |
| 21:22.33 | Xuerian | Well that's actually pretty apt. |
| 21:22.34 | Xuerian | XD |
| 21:22.35 | Bleeter | I think Xuerian's 'retarded' comment indicates that it's perfect ;) |
| 21:22.56 | Xuerian | Bahaha |
| 21:23.06 | Xuerian | So much funnier knowing that little tidbit |
| 21:23.46 | Bleeter | The name itself was chosen because Pidgin is all people on IM seem capable of speaking, and each network tends to have it's own pidgin that's spoken on it. |
| 21:24.46 | Bleeter | And why the bird when it has nothing to do with languages? Well, (1) People would think pidgin = pigeon, and they're stupid. Also, 'bird' has a colloquial meaning ;) |
| 21:25.23 | Bleeter | All in all, it's a subtle-yet-not-so-subtle commentary on users |
| 21:25.25 | Xuerian | Or you can just think of a landed flock of pidgins chattering, that puts it in perspective pretty well :p |
| 21:26.14 | Xuerian | Sounds like gibberish, pidigin-crap all over everything.. Yeah. I like it now :P |
| 21:27.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | 30 minutes until the stratics interview guys! :D |
| 21:27.55 | Xuerian | aw frick |
| 21:28.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | irc://irc.stratics.com/straticshoc Interview with some of the devs :O |
| 21:28.09 | Xuerian | I'm gonna be in the theatre watching spiderman in 30 minutes |
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| 21:28.14 | Kaydeethree | as the server grinds to a halt... 573 in there atm |
| 21:28.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'll log it, xue |
| 21:28.38 | Xuerian | Mr_Rabies: Eh, I've got it loaded up in hydra |
| 21:29.06 | Xuerian | Mr_Rabies2: geez aren't I grateful <_<. Thanks :P |
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| 21:29.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | :p |
| 21:29.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | well i'm logging it anyway |
| 21:29.42 | Xuerian | Have to post it after and link it in both channels. |
| 21:29.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'll pastey it after the interview |
| 21:29.53 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+v Kaelten] by ChanServ |
| 21:29.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | taking out all the joins, leaves, etc |
| 21:30.06 | Xuerian | EventFilter ftw |
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| 21:30.59 | cogwheel|work | This thread amuses me greatly http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=102939368&pageNo=1&sid=1 |
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| 21:31.54 | Kaso | Mr_Rabies2 what sort of magic is that server |
| 21:32.02 | Kaso | it seems like everyone is on my host. |
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| 21:32.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | i got the same thing hehe |
| 21:32.34 | clad|work | lol |
| 21:32.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | i was like....do i have some irc zombies installed? |
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| 21:41.24 | Kaso | I though heroes was supposed to be good -_- |
| 21:41.38 | Kaso | half way though the first episode and im bored :< |
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| 21:42.33 | cogwheel|work | shhh!!! don't let cladhaire or Tem|Work hear you!!! |
| 21:42.52 | Cide | heroes is awesome |
| 21:43.02 | Cide | I thought it started out kinda slow but it picks up fast |
| 21:43.02 | cladhaire | lol |
| 21:43.34 | cladhaire | yep |
| 21:50.39 | nevcairiel | i watched the whole 20 episodes on one weekend .. its great :) |
| 21:50.44 | Kaydeethree | geez... 770 in #straticshoc and counting |
| 21:52.47 | cladhaire | lol |
| 21:52.51 | cladhaire | i'll read the xscript =) |
| 21:53.08 | Bam__ | has it started yet? |
| 21:53.18 | Kaydeethree | dysc/nethaera/eyonix just got opped |
| 21:53.33 | nevcairiel | whats in there anyway? |
| 21:53.45 | Kaydeethree | Q&A with devs and cms it looks like |
| 21:54.21 | cladhaire | questions have been pre-asked tho |
| 21:54.33 | cladhaire | so unless you want to bitch and moan with 700 other people, the transcripts will suffice :P |
| 21:54.55 | nevcairiel | i dont really get any fun out of bitching and moaning |
| 21:55.00 | nevcairiel | so i will pass, kthx :p |
| 21:55.02 | Kaydeethree | the chan's moderated. no talking in there anyway, just curious to see how it's going to play out |
| 21:56.20 | nevcairiel | they should get someone who actually knows stuff |
| 21:56.22 | nevcairiel | like tigole |
| 21:56.34 | cladhaire | its kalgan |
| 21:56.36 | Kaydeethree | who also just got opped along with kalagan |
| 21:56.36 | cladhaire | and tigole |
| 21:56.41 | nevcairiel | ah |
| 21:56.44 | cladhaire | do you peopel not real? |
| 21:56.44 | cladhaire | lol |
| 21:56.45 | cladhaire | read |
| 21:56.55 | cladhaire | no you people probably have interesting jobs |
| 21:57.01 | nevcairiel | actually |
| 21:57.11 | nevcairiel | its nearly midnight |
| 21:57.14 | nevcairiel | i am too tired to read |
| 21:57.22 | Kaydeethree | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:57.32 | cogwheel|work | what network is it on? |
| 21:57.42 | Cide | stratics |
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| 21:59.38 | nevcairiel | anyway, the transcripts will be all over the place tomorrow, and i need some sleep, laters |
| 22:00.14 | zenzelezz | but then they will be yesterday's news! |
| 22:00.33 | Bam__ | so is it stratics people that ask the questions basically? |
| 22:00.33 | nevcairiel | it just turned wednesday |
| 22:00.36 | nevcairiel | i dont think so. |
| 22:00.55 | Kaydeethree | they had about 10 bots collecting questions. those are getting handed over to the devs |
| 22:00.59 | cladhaire | yes, the questinos were submitted beforehand |
| 22:01.12 | cladhaire | they're accepting new ones, but they already prepped a bunch of q's and a's |
| 22:01.13 | Bam__ | so the devs also know them already? |
| 22:01.20 | Kaydeethree | here's hoping |
| 22:01.21 | cladhaire | yes |
| 22:01.26 | cladhaire | so they can answer the ones they can actually answer |
| 22:01.28 | Bam__ | hmm not much of a live feel then :P |
| 22:02.09 | Srosh | or, rather, want to answer |
| 22:02.47 | Srosh | it's become like politics, staged to the max |
| 22:04.31 | cladhaire | heh |
| 22:04.46 | Srosh | no conspiracies here, it's unfortunately the truth - I mean I /want/ to believe it's different but, alas, I don't think it is ^^ |
| 22:04.52 | zenzelezz | tinfoil hats suck |
| 22:05.09 | zenzelezz | they don't offer much protection at all, as opposed to aluminium hats |
| 22:05.26 | cladhaire | Srosh: then you don't pay very much attention |
| 22:05.36 | cladhaire | to be a complete and utter asshole |
| 22:05.53 | zenzelezz | you get better answers if you don't demand live answers |
| 22:06.16 | Bam__ | sure but might as well be a written interview :P |
| 22:06.33 | Bam__ | almost will be I guess... just with speeling errors :D |
| 22:06.36 | cladhaire | also, the peopel coming to the chat are _clearly_ the ones who dictate what can and can't be shared. |
| 22:06.37 | Srosh | that's it, why pretend to do a live interview if it really isn't? |
| 22:07.05 | cladhaire | 1.) it takes it off the forums for today |
| 22:07.13 | cladhaire | 2.) it gets people to see them "live", which people do enjoy |
| 22:07.17 | cladhaire | read: see the 700 people there now |
| 22:07.19 | cladhaire | 3.) it helps a fansite. |
| 22:07.39 | cladhaire | 4.) its a different medium of communication than the same old forum post with 7,000 pages of discussion |
| 22:07.59 | Srosh | well, for me, all depends on the questions they'll choose (or rather chose) to answer |
| 22:08.02 | Srosh | we'll see I guess |
| 22:08.04 | Bam__ | yea they got some luck getting people's attention... gotta give them that :P |
| 22:08.23 | cladhaire | why on earth does that matter? |
| 22:08.31 | cladhaire | _what_ questions they answer is irrelevant |
| 22:08.58 | foxlit | Psst, we shoul do something live with slouken! |
| 22:09.09 | Bam__ | I want an exclusive interview... just me and the devs!! |
| 22:09.12 | Kaydeethree | isn't he on irc every now and then? |
| 22:09.13 | foxlit | Since he's way more interesting than any of those game design folks. |
| 22:09.17 | cladhaire | you put too much stock in the people giving the interviews |
| 22:09.23 | Bam__ | then again... I also want to be rich.. and it hasnt happened yet :P |
| 22:09.27 | Srosh | well, then we have a different view about interviews - interviews, and their quality, are all about the asked questions |
| 22:09.28 | cladhaire | err answering the questions |
| 22:09.46 | cladhaire | well yes, |
| 22:09.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | i submitted a question :O |
| 22:09.50 | cladhaire | it could be a good interview or a bad inteview |
| 22:09.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | hopefully it'll get answered |
| 22:09.54 | Bam__ | wooo |
| 22:10.02 | cladhaire | you however, are disputing that its all a charade and shouldn't be done to begin with |
| 22:10.04 | cladhaire | that's where I have a problem |
| 22:10.07 | Srosh | (and the answers of course) |
| 22:10.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | they can't do a live interview because it would be chaos |
| 22:10.26 | Kaydeethree | well of course it's a charade, but maybe it'll calm general down a bit |
| 22:10.27 | Bam__ | did you include a "Hi mom"= :P |
| 22:10.31 | Kaydeethree | 1100 users and counting |
| 22:10.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | this is the best thing we can get to a live interview |
| 22:10.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | submitting questions ahead of time |
| 22:10.55 | cladhaire | what you want to hear from an interview, doesn't invalidate the medium |
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| 22:10.58 | cladhaire | there's a neat thing called "community" |
| 22:11.01 | cladhaire | and having it is fun |
| 22:11.06 | Srosh | mh, you misunderstood me there a bit then, or wasn't clear enough |
| 22:11.06 | Bam__ | what time is it over there? |
| 22:11.12 | cladhaire | fair enough then |
| 22:11.16 | Kaydeethree | 6:10 eastern, 3:10 pacific |
| 22:11.17 | Srosh | I didn't have anything against the medium |
| 22:11.20 | Bam__ | ahh it's begun |
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| 22:11.34 | Srosh | it's only about the content |
| 22:11.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'll pastey it afterwards too |
| 22:11.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | srosh, what would you rather them do? |
| 22:11.49 | cladhaire | which they don't control |
| 22:12.01 | cladhaire | so again, gg =) |
| 22:12.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | unmoderate the channel and let us all just spam the hell out of them until they get tired of it and leave? |
| 22:12.21 | Kaydeethree | that's how #worldofwarcraft is right now. going a mile a minute |
| 22:12.22 | Srosh | no, of course not, there needs to be moderation |
| 22:12.32 | foxlit | Tbh, I'd settle for them disabling leave/join messages, though that probably is a client-side thing :P |
| 22:12.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | fox |
| 22:12.38 | Kaydeethree | it's entirely client-side |
| 22:12.44 | Gryphen | client side |
| 22:12.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | in mirc, fox |
| 22:12.51 | zenzelezz | and X-chat has it built-in |
| 22:12.54 | Srosh | I want to see them answer some serious (and prossibly for them, uncomfortable) questions |
| 22:12.56 | cladhaire | my mom is client side |
| 22:12.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | options->irc->events button |
| 22:13.12 | zenzelezz | cladhaire: your mom has memory leaks too |
| 22:13.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | i have joins, parts, and nick changes off |
| 22:13.23 | cladhaire | oh dip, so true |
| 22:13.40 | foxlit | Found :) |
| 22:13.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | <@Nethaera> Good afternoon everyone. I'm Nethaera and one of the World of Warcraft Community Managers. <bigp3rm{}> I CAN ALOMOST TOUCH HER! |
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| 22:13.55 | Srosh | and, as I see Tigole participating, who is in a much better position than the CMs which have no control over what can or cannot be revealed, I think there's the chance |
| 22:14.01 | Gryphen | you can right click the channel button and pick events |
| 22:14.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | this is why we can't do a live interview :p |
| 22:14.15 | cladhaire | Srosh: He doesn't have all that much control either. |
| 22:14.27 | cladhaire | don't feed into the hype.l |
| 22:14.38 | zenzelezz | live interviews are fine; just +m and have users privmsg someone that will pick the questions |
| 22:15.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's what they're doing more or less zenz |
| 22:15.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | only they're using botts that you pm |
| 22:15.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | and picking the questions from there |
| 22:15.25 | Gryphen | and have done for years |
| 22:16.24 | Tem | Heroes is awesome |
| 22:16.28 | Tem | you're just messed up |
| 22:16.42 | Srosh | I give you that, but then why doesn't one of those that have control participate? is it fundamentally necessary to create a kind of fog wall behind that all can be hidden? |
| 22:16.43 | cladhaire | lol |
| 22:17.25 | zenzelezz | Srosh: to make the thing cleaner |
| 22:17.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | what would you rather them do than what they're doing now srosh? |
| 22:18.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | give us some insight into this magical land of live interviews so we can tell you why it won't work :P |
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| 22:19.43 | Srosh | I still didn't get my point across, it seems - I don't care about the medium, the medium is fine, as is the filtering of questions; the point will be /which/ questions they chose to answer |
| 22:20.02 | cladhaire | yeah, thtats my fault, people listen to me when i'm loud, and we already fixed that :P |
| 22:20.15 | cladhaire | but do you honestly think the peopel in that chat have any say over what is and isn't shared with the community? |
| 22:20.18 | Srosh | ^^ |
| 22:20.19 | cladhaire | cause, they don't. |
| 22:20.19 | Bleeter | is it just me, or has stratics' website collapsed? |
| 22:20.52 | zenzelezz | you'd rather have everyone all kinds of random questions and have the guys answer it all? That's a recipe for disaster |
| 22:20.54 | cogwheel|work | it's been wowdotted |
| 22:21.00 | Srosh | prolly not, and I don't expect them to (and definitely not in the brink of such a short time) |
| 22:21.03 | Kaydeethree | I'd hazard a guess that 2/3 of the users in there are accessing irc from the site |
| 22:21.04 | zenzelezz | normal interviews can be filtered too |
| 22:21.13 | Kaydeethree | "<@Brannoc> The developers are experiencing some minor technical problems, it should be corrected in a moment." |
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| 22:22.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | srosh, you still haven't told me what you'd rather them do, i think their solution is the best one possible |
| 22:22.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | people submit questions ahead of time, they pick ones that aren't stupid like LOL NERF CLOAK OF SKILL LOL |
| 22:22.58 | zenzelezz | as far as I can tell he wants an unmoderated interview |
| 22:23.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | and submit them |
| 22:23.18 | cladhaire | zenzelezz: no, not unmoderated |
| 22:23.27 | cladhaire | he wants honesty from the people being interviewed |
| 22:23.30 | cladhaire | rather than cherry picking questions |
| 22:23.33 | cladhaire | and keeping things from the community |
| 22:23.39 | cladhaire | unfortunately, its a business, so that will never happen :P |
| 22:23.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | if they didn't review the questions ahead of time it would be a lot of HAY GUYZ FIRST POST LOL |
| 22:23.48 | cladhaire | thats all |
| 22:23.49 | zenzelezz | so unmoderated |
| 22:23.51 | Srosh | they as in Blizzard: be more open to the community, more direct adressing of raised concerns |
| 22:23.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | type stuff |
| 22:23.55 | zenzelezz | I'm not talking +/-m |
| 22:24.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | the CMs have to go through a lot of beauracracy and jump through a lot of hoops to post stuff relating to the game unless it's an obvious answer |
| 22:24.36 | foxlit | The problem is, communicty concerns are "zomg, nerf cloak of skillz" |
| 22:24.38 | Srosh | ye, it's a business, and as business grows it gets disconnected, unfortunately |
| 22:25.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | if it hasn't been said before they have to go through a lot of work |
| 22:25.23 | Srosh | foxlit, 95%? at least, yes |
| 22:25.24 | zenzelezz | as business grows the community stupid factor goes up |
| 22:25.25 | zenzelezz | so they get picky |
| 22:25.58 | Srosh | and they have to but at the moment it's kind of a one way road - you post sth and if it's good it ends up at the persons which are responsible for that |
| 22:26.31 | Bleeter | wow, that's a pretty busy # |
| 22:26.54 | Srosh | the problem is, there rarely is anything coming back (however, this isn't a problem to Blizz alone, it's the same with nearly every big enough business) |
| 22:27.15 | foxlit | The developers' web IRC clients are running out of memory displaying the list of people in the channel :P |
| 22:27.23 | Kaydeethree | mIRC/xchat ftw |
| 22:27.33 | cogwheel|work | chatzilla 4tw! |
| 22:27.51 | foxlit | Srosh: reply to one post, get 10 "zomg, you replied to him, why not to me?" posts |
| 22:28.03 | Srosh | my dream would be more frequent "state of the game" posts |
| 22:28.15 | Srosh | they're already there |
| 22:28.19 | foxlit | It's equivalent to shooting yourself in the foot -- Tseric posted something to that effect. |
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| 22:29.47 | Srosh | no, I don't expect (or want, for that matter) in time answers because it's a) not feasible and b) leads to what you said |
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| 22:30.28 | Srosh | but it would be nice if there was, say, once a month (or whatever, more or less frequently) a recap on important things |
| 22:30.50 | Srosh | and, which I see especially lacking at the moment, is providing reasoning for specific answers |
| 22:31.31 | Bleeter | Srosh: they do that from time to time, witness the old 'battleplans' and 'this week in hotfixes'. I guess to some degree it's a time/money thing. I'd rather a dev/cm spent time working on important back office stuff/code than making me feel fluffy on the inside |
| 22:31.53 | Bleeter | tho I do agree there's some merit in your statement ;) |
| 22:32.00 | Srosh | that's what the CMs are for, in my opinion |
| 22:32.25 | Bleeter | I think you'd have to be some kinda insane masochist to be a CM ;) |
| 22:32.50 | Srosh | I mean, there are meetings of all kinds but nearly nothing becomes known |
| 22:33.11 | Srosh | of course, you're working with people :P |
| 22:33.11 | Vangual | they need to get every bit of ingame info they give out approved, so it'll prolly occupy the designer as much |
| 22:34.09 | Bleeter | yar, and then for some of the stuff there'd be business considerations to take into account, seperate from the designer. |
| 22:34.36 | Srosh | not really, I don't think the designers/developers decide on that; it's either the producers job or it's agreed upon in meetings |
| 22:34.59 | Bleeter | that's what I meant |
| 22:35.09 | Bleeter | that there's multiple layers in multiple departments that come into play |
| 22:35.13 | Bleeter | *that can come |
| 22:35.46 | foxlit | To be fair, I think PTRs give an indication of what they're thinking of for future releases. |
| 22:36.04 | Srosh | if it concerns content, I'm totally on your line and it's clear that they can't give out stuff so easily |
| 22:36.11 | foxlit | I don't really care as to the process - as long as the game remains enjoyable, they're free to not provide any feedback to the playerbase. |
| 22:36.21 | Vangual | their decisions are shown, but you can only guess about nearly all reasoning |
| 22:36.26 | Srosh | about what they do: yes, but not /why/ they do specific things |
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| 22:36.49 | Srosh | that's what I'm interested the most - after all, reading patch notes isn't difficult :p |
| 22:36.54 | Srosh | +in |
| 22:37.10 | foxlit | Why care why? |
| 22:37.16 | Vangual | heh |
| 22:37.34 | cogwheel|work | same reason people care about PvE->PvP transfers... |
| 22:37.37 | cogwheel|work | :P |
| 22:37.45 | foxlit | i.e. they don't? :) |
| 22:37.46 | Vangual | to have a chance at understanding their thinking instead of just getting a bad/incorrect image of them? |
| 22:38.17 | Srosh | a) because I want to know :P and b) because I think it'd make all these changes more understandable and thus leading to a more relaxed embracing of the whole thing |
| 22:38.49 | Bleeter | there's probably so much 'backstory' to a lot of changes that there'd almost be a novel in each patch. I'd rather they devd and hand-held noobs than write that novel every 2 months ;) |
| 22:38.51 | cogwheel|work | Srosh: except it doesn't... no matter how many times and ways they explain the decisions they do explain, people will still disagree and complain |
| 22:39.17 | foxlit | How's a blanket excuse that changes are "made to bring the game closer to what we, the developers, think it should be"? |
| 22:39.17 | Vangual | some people will |
| 22:39.17 | Srosh | cogwheel|work, ok, that's of course only for me :p |
| 22:39.35 | Bleeter | Srosh: join a large Open Source project that releases a changed UI and trhen you'll get an idea about the amount of pointless crying that support/devs have to put up with ;) |
| 22:39.42 | Srosh | on the other hand, there're always people that will be assholes no matter what :p |
| 22:40.42 | Srosh | I have no problem imagining that and I certainly don't deny it, but what is the lesson to be drawn from that? |
| 22:41.01 | foxlit | Minimize your losses. |
| 22:41.38 | Bleeter | the lesson is, most users are idiots and 99% of the time it's not worth the effort trying to explain stuff |
| 22:41.54 | Kaydeethree | truth |
| 22:41.59 | Bleeter | as you spend more time explaining than coding |
| 22:42.45 | cogwheel|work | Srosh: perfect example: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=102903629&pageNo=1&sid=1#16 |
| 22:42.46 | cogwheel|work | :) |
| 22:43.19 | Kaydeethree | funny how that thread instantly hit the reply cap |
| 22:43.27 | Bam__ | it's part of playing a game that you have to complain :P |
| 22:43.29 | Srosh | and thus he shouldn't have posted the reasoning to begin with? |
| 22:43.35 | foxlit | wiki.answers.com is silly |
| 22:43.43 | Vangual | maybe he meant the yes kind of no? |
| 22:43.43 | Srosh | I appreciate it and I agree |
| 22:43.47 | foxlit | "We can't tell you the answer to that because we think you shouldn't know" |
| 22:43.49 | foxlit | Great! |
| 22:45.08 | Srosh | it's sincere :p |
| 22:45.52 | foxlit | And it doesn't tell me how to build a nuke. It tells me how do diffuse a nuke, but not how to build one. Bias! |
| 22:47.24 | Srosh | really a shame |
| 22:47.27 | Kirkburn | Kitties! http://mfrost.typepad.com/cute_overload/2007/05/kitty_ortiz_vs_.html |
| 22:51.06 | Antiarc|Work | http://media.worldofwarcraft.com/blacktemple-trailer/blacktemple_en.html |
| 22:51.07 | Antiarc|Work | :O |
| 22:54.01 | Kaydeethree | lmfao |
| 22:54.14 | Kaydeethree | "<@Brannoc> Unfortunately this chat has been postponed until tomorrow due to technical difficulties. Please keep an eye on http://wow.stratics.com and http://www.worldofwarcraft.com for the new date." |
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| 22:54.43 | Srosh | :D I don't want to imagine the amount of whine this will cause |
| 22:55.46 | Srosh | ah well, too bad, but that's technology |
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| 22:57.53 | Hallu | 55 hours |
| 22:58.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | <@Brannoc> It may be next week rather than tomorrow, so keep an eye on the sites for the new date! |
| 22:58.01 | Hallu | no that's not technology, they were retarded about this |
| 22:58.02 | Hallu | hehe |
| 22:58.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | :O |
| 22:59.03 | cladhaire | it worked last time |
| 22:59.03 | Srosh | not surprising, and understandable |
| 22:59.04 | cladhaire | without any issues |
| 22:59.31 | Srosh | (prolly postponing the date I mean) |
| 23:00.03 | Bleeter | are the stratics chans usually worth idling in? |
| 23:00.58 | Kaydeethree | http://ace.pastey.net/31389 |
| 23:01.43 | Srosh | best transcript ever ^^ |
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| 23:07.45 | Bleeter | heh |
| 23:08.13 | Bleeter | fwiw, I think stratics are saying there was some connection problem from Blizz to Stratics' IRC (in amongst the noise) |
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| 23:10.35 | Mike-N-Go | I been having the WoW Error Reporter spit messages every time I logged out, http://pastey.net/31399 , is one of the messages: Assertion: Illegal client GUID dereference at |
| 23:10.59 | Mike-N-Go | Any clue what that means? |
| 23:12.07 | cogwheel|work | that's a question for tech support... |
| 23:13.10 | Mike-N-Go | I been submitting the error reports, been many dozen of times, I have appended my email, too. |
| 23:17.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | <Brannoc> there were around 2400 [questions to the devs] submitted |
| 23:17.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | and they trimmed it down to 300 |
| 23:17.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | which probably was still too much for an hour |
| 23:18.06 | Kaydeethree | he say that in #wow? |
| 23:18.12 | Bleeter | Mike-N-Go: Do you have any mods loaded? If so, unload all mods and do the 1/2 'n 1/2 thing until you identify which mod's causing the problem |
| 23:18.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah |
| 23:19.44 | Bleeter | Mike-N-Go: Are you 'Upheaval'? as I'm seeing a similarly mentioned bug in the Mac Tech support forum from aplayer with that name |
| 23:19.44 | Mike-N-Go | Nope. |
| 23:20.17 | Mike-N-Go | I am going to submit the error report to the form, yet to do that. |
| 23:20.26 | Bleeter | hmm, I'm definately seeing references to it being a mod problem, and there's something in the cosmosui forum regarding it, too |
| 23:20.59 | Mike-N-Go | I have ~150 mods. |
| 23:21.04 | Bleeter | when you disable all mods to try, don't forget to also delete your cache folder |
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| 23:23.23 | Mike-N-Go | 2.1 can't come out any faster.. |
| 23:23.45 | cladhaire | Where's the best place to go for mac support? |
| 23:24.35 | Mike-N-Go | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/board.html?sid=1&forumId=11111 |
| 23:24.43 | cladhaire | no, like mac support.. not wow mac support |
| 23:24.53 | Mike-N-Go | The mac technical support fourms? |
| 23:25.04 | cogwheel|work | apple.com? :P |
| 23:25.11 | Bleeter | 09:12 < user> hey is it normal if in irc you cant who is an operator, u know in the list of people when the have a greet or yellow bullet besides them |
| 23:25.14 | Bleeter | 09:14 < dev> user: you're missing a verb |
| 23:25.16 | Mike-N-Go | Oh, what type of problem are you having, cladhaire ? |
| 23:25.16 | Bleeter | 09:20 < user> hey so which package do i use if i want verb installed? |
| 23:25.26 | cladhaire | Mike-N-Go: My network stack gets completely fucked |
| 23:25.42 | cladhaire | airport stays connected to the AP, but I can no longer reach the gateway.. then the signal drops slightly |
| 23:25.45 | cladhaire | only rebooting fixes it. |
| 23:25.53 | cladhaire | it also happened on my wired connection |
| 23:25.58 | Bam__ | http://www.macosxhints.com maybe |
| 23:26.00 | Mike-N-Go | cladhaire: English, I can't comprehend what you mean. |
| 23:26.31 | Bam__ | they have good tips and stories.. though I have never posted a question myself |
| 23:26.33 | Mike-N-Go | How far is your mac from the AP? |
| 23:26.40 | cladhaire | right above it. |
| 23:26.45 | cladhaire | its not the signal |
| 23:26.49 | cladhaire | its the network stack, or something at that level. |
| 23:27.09 | Mike-N-Go | Are the network settings in sync? |
| 23:27.22 | cladhaire | what do you mean |
| 23:27.46 | Mike-N-Go | Do you know what the IP (local) of your AP is? |
| 23:28.01 | cladhaire | yes |
| 23:28.08 | cladhaire | this acrtually isn't a nub question |
| 23:28.15 | cladhaire | =) |
| 23:28.59 | Mike-N-Go | I have had much experience on my home network, setting up a daisy chain to 2 other houses via WiFi with it =] |
| 23:29.15 | cladhaire | well its not a networking issue |
| 23:29.30 | Mike-N-Go | Power cycle? |
| 23:29.31 | cladhaire | my network is 100% a-okay |
| 23:29.32 | Mike-N-Go | Done that? |
| 23:29.40 | cladhaire | my laptop? yes, many times. |
| 23:29.42 | Bleeter | cladhaire: sounds like time to whip out wireshark and see what happens just before it goes mad |
| 23:29.47 | cladhaire | the only way to fix this is a reboot |
| 23:29.49 | cladhaire | Bleeter: i can't reproduce it. |
| 23:29.58 | Mike-N-Go | And wired connection is ok? |
| 23:30.04 | Bleeter | gah, heisenbug. nasty. |
| 23:30.07 | cladhaire | okay. |
| 23:30.09 | cladhaire | i have two laptops. |
| 23:30.09 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Mikk (n=opera@81-233-236-26-no19.tbcn.telia.com) |
| 23:30.12 | cladhaire | both wireless |
| 23:30.19 | cladhaire | the wireless never drops |
| 23:30.36 | cladhaire | but i will be playing wow, my game will lag for 2-3 seconds, then i know i'm disconnected. |
| 23:30.41 | cladhaire | at that point i have two options |
| 23:30.47 | cladhaire | 1.) plug in my wire so i can get back on to finish teh boss fight |
| 23:30.49 | cladhaire | or 2.) |
| 23:30.52 | cladhaire | 2.) reboot |
| 23:30.59 | Mike-N-Go | 3. Throw on ground? |
| 23:31.12 | cladhaire | when this happens |
| 23:31.15 | cladhaire | i cannot ping my gateway |
| 23:31.23 | cladhaire | and my airport shows I'm still connected to my network |
| 23:31.27 | Mike-N-Go | It it spotty, or does it not just work at all? |
| 23:31.34 | cladhaire | it does not work at all. |
| 23:31.38 | cladhaire | the stack goes caput. |
| 23:31.46 | cladhaire | right now |
| 23:31.47 | cladhaire | my airport is on |
| 23:31.50 | cladhaire | and it detects 0 aps near me. |
| 23:31.53 | Bleeter | cladhaire: you could set wireshark to use a ring buffer, and then jsut stop the capture when it collapses |
| 23:32.17 | cladhaire | aye, seems the best i'm goign to get |
| 23:32.21 | cladhaire | but i think its a hardware problem. |
| 23:32.24 | Mike-N-Go | Dynamic IP, or Static do you have your Computer set to? |
| 23:32.42 | cladhaire | dynamic.. but it is not a layer 3 issue. |
| 23:32.43 | cladhaire | .. |
| 23:32.49 | cladhaire | im' not sure how more clear about that i can be. |
| 23:32.50 | Bleeter | yeah, sounds like a hardware problem. there's no firmware updates, etc. (I know, obvious, but I feel better if I do ask those kinda questions ;-) |
| 23:32.58 | Mike-N-Go | Maybe the wire to the antenna is lose? |
| 23:33.17 | cladhaire | i'm sitting 10 feet from the AP, through one floor. |
| 23:33.23 | cladhaire | where I get 5 bars, all the time |
| 23:33.27 | cladhaire | even without an antennae i should pick it up. |
| 23:33.29 | Mike-N-Go | What is your system that you are having trouble with? |
| 23:34.02 | Mike-N-Go | What is the AP, and what is the client? |
| 23:34.02 | cladhaire | its a 15" mbp |
| 23:34.02 | cladhaire | ITS NOT AN AP ISSUE |
| 23:34.14 | Mike-N-Go | I have a 15" MBP also, hey, I need information before I can help, stop yelling (: |
| 23:34.52 | cladhaire | i'm not yelling |
| 23:34.58 | cladhaire | btu stop asking me questions i've already answered, or that aren't relevant. |
| 23:35.02 | cladhaire | that just wastes everyone's time |
| 23:35.07 | cladhaire | i appreciate the help |
| 23:35.15 | cladhaire | but if i wanted pedantry, i'd go to the genius bar. |
| 23:35.38 | Bleeter | cladhaire: MTUs all set to the same size? (guess) |
| 23:35.45 | cladhaire | Bleeter: they should be, yes. |
| 23:36.01 | Mike-N-Go | I have had major trubbles with my modem, what you would call a bridge, what runs between my head router and my ISP.. we are on our 5th modem in about 3 years, now. |
| 23:36.09 | Bleeter | cladhaire: force of habit has me forcably set those kinds of things, 'to be sure to be sure' ;) |
| 23:36.15 | cladhaire | Mike-N-Go: there is a computer 2 feet from me |
| 23:36.18 | cladhaire | the exact same model |
| 23:36.20 | cladhaire | it is working. |
| 23:36.25 | cladhaire | i know exactly where the issue is. |
| 23:36.49 | cladhaire | and i JUSt rebuilt my machine |
| 23:36.50 | cladhaire | specifically to work on this issue |
| 23:36.56 | cladhaire | I would bet extensive amounts of money that I'm having a heat issue, with regards to my airport card. |
| 23:37.00 | cladhaire | plain and simple |
| 23:37.07 | cladhaire | Just gotta figure out how to get it fixed |
| 23:37.13 | Mike-N-Go | And what is your question, say it again, what you queried me for help? |
| 23:37.29 | cladhaire | i asked where the best place to go for mac support is |
| 23:37.45 | Bleeter | cladhaire: dunno, but I can say where the worst place would be.... here! :P |
| 23:37.51 | cladhaire | indeed :P |
| 23:37.54 | Mike-N-Go | Apple Care would be the official Mac Support. |
| 23:38.00 | Bleeter | cladhaire: at a guess, try #adiumx |
| 23:38.09 | Bleeter | just lie about using their client ;) |
| 23:38.10 | Mike-N-Go | Is it still under the warranty? |
| 23:38.19 | cladhaire | its under 1 year, yes. |
| 23:38.49 | Mike-N-Go | 1 (800) MY-APPLE |
| 23:39.00 | Mike-N-Go | That is the number, I believe. |
| 23:39.03 | cladhaire | thank |
| 23:39.05 | cladhaire | s |
| 23:39.14 | cladhaire | didn't know if the apple forums were good at all, etc. |
| 23:41.47 | Mike-N-Go | I have lost my faith in Apple repair, I sent in my MBP, they kept it for well over a month, and did not fix everything. |
| 23:42.16 | cladhaire | that's not very .. encouraging. |
| 23:43.18 | Mike-N-Go | Nope. |
| 23:43.57 | Mike-N-Go | However, that was in the summer after the MBP just came out, shortage of Logic Boards, or so they say. |
| 23:45.48 | cladhaire | haha just happened |
| 23:45.56 | cladhaire | you guys can't read this now, i bet =) |
| 23:46.01 | Legorol | yes we can |
| 23:46.03 | Legorol | :P |
| 23:46.14 | Mike-N-Go | What is happening? |
| 23:46.22 | Legorol | the world's coming to an end! |
| 23:48.03 | Bleeter | 09:45 <@cladhaire> you guys can't read this now, i bet =) |
| 23:48.26 | Bleeter | thanks for playing 'i bet my network's bork' |
| 23:49.54 | Mike-N-Go | pork? |
| 23:50.40 | Bleeter | bork... Swedish Chef |
| 23:51.45 | Mike-N-Go | ~dic bork |
| 23:51.55 | Cairenn|afk | ~bork |
| 23:52.03 | Cairenn|afk | ~swedish chef |
| 23:52.05 | purl | BORK! BORK! BORK! |
| 23:52.13 | Cairenn|afk | ~beeker |
| 23:52.21 | Bleeter | ~beaker |
| 23:52.28 | Cairenn|afk | hmph |
| 23:52.36 | Bleeter | "mi mi mi mi mimimi" |
| 23:53.21 | Mike-N-Go | ~emulate cladhaire |
| 23:53.23 | purl | Good code is something to appreciate like a work of art. |
