| 00:01.40 | Bam__ | the extra function in line 5 should not be needed |
| 00:02.26 | ITSBTH | But it is |
| 00:02.51 | ITSBTH | Nvm that |
| 00:03.02 | ITSBTH | I didn't write it |
| 00:03.29 | Bam__ | I can't quite comprehend what it's supposed to do, but I think you should just use string.gfind |
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| 00:14.56 | TC-Working | sweet, my IRC client is triggering alerts in BASE |
| 00:15.30 | zenzelezz | BASE? |
| 00:19.19 | Kaydeethree | gah... I can never remember what that stands for... "building antenna statue earth"? |
| 00:19.27 | TC-Working | Basic Analysis and Security Engine |
| 00:20.10 | zenzelezz | what sort of alerts is it generating? "You may be exposed to foul language, trolling and A/S/L????" |
| 00:20.41 | Kaydeethree | "foul language, trolling and A/S/L" on irc? never! |
| 00:21.36 | TC-Working | "BLEEDING-EDGE DROP Known Bot C&C Server Traffic (group 3) " |
| 00:22.12 | zenzelezz | interesting, you didn't strike me as a bot |
| 00:22.25 | TC-Working | i didnt strike me as a bot either.... |
| 00:22.31 | TC-Working | guess i know now |
| 00:22.41 | TC-Working | s/know now/now know/ |
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| 00:23.54 | zenzelezz | software tend to make funny mistakes |
| 00:23.58 | zenzelezz | <Jim> lol, norton says my own computer attacked itself :) |
| 00:24.28 | Aella | Those dastardly viruses. |
| 00:24.36 | TC-Working | cute, but it's not software that makes mistakes, but... |
| 00:24.39 | Aella | Making computers attack their very selves. |
| 00:24.43 | TC-Working | PEBKAC |
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| 00:26.07 | TC-Working | Problem Exists Between Keyboard and Chair |
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| 00:32.45 | Shadowed|Work | Bored and playing with random old code, but I guess theres no way to compress http://wowi.pastey.net/32369 further without adding some sort of increased time to access it in-game? |
| 00:33.24 | Aella | What data is it storing? |
| 00:33.46 | Shadowed|Work | spec |
| 00:33.55 | Aella | What's the big number? |
| 00:33.59 | Aella | The details? |
| 00:33.59 | Shadowed|Work | last updated time |
| 00:34.03 | Aella | Ah. |
| 00:34.07 | Tem | STRONGBONE ATTACK! HE ONLY SPAWNS ONCE A YEAR! |
| 00:34.12 | Shadowed|Work | ["name-server"] = "tree1:tree2:tree3:lastupdate" |
| 00:34.17 | Aella | Compress as in amount of storage needed? |
| 00:34.26 | Tem | erm... |
| 00:34.32 | Tem | Let's get some shoes? |
| 00:34.55 | Shadowed|Work | As in, taking less time to load in-game and just general efficency |
| 00:35.00 | TC-Working | i'm looking at that and i'm like "isnt that the guy from homestar runner"....no |
| 00:35.29 | Aella | 'cause if it only needs to be accessed whenever you mouseover something, it doesn't matter so much how much time it takes to access. |
| 00:35.30 | TC-Working | replace ONE with AD |
| 00:35.35 | Aella | One thing you could do might be: |
| 00:35.47 | Bam__ | Shadowed: you can use a binary encoding instead |
| 00:36.11 | Shadowed|Work | Depends on time to access, it's entirely possibly you'll mouseover someone in combat, and lagging for a second due to it in arenas wouldn't be a very good option :p |
| 00:36.19 | Aella | ["Kel'Thuzad"] = { ["Zemurda"] = "10:48:3:1178692133687", ["Sunblok"] = "41:20:0:1178443056734" }, … }; |
| 00:36.26 | Aella | A second will never happen. =P |
| 00:36.46 | Shadowed|Work | Yea yea =p |
| 00:37.16 | Aella | If you want to make it faster, then packing the bits into a number would be the fastest. |
| 00:37.16 | Shadowed|Work | Though it was suppose to be worse to use a second table if you're storing large amounts of data like that? |
| 00:37.39 | Aella | It'd be one additional table per realm in your battleground, negligible overhead. |
| 00:37.45 | Shadowed|Work | ah |
| 00:37.45 | Aella | *battlegroup |
| 00:37.50 | Shadowed|Work | hmm |
| 00:38.14 | Aella | You can store a spec in six bits, times three for 18 bits. |
| 00:39.22 | Shadowed|Work | Will have to look into it a bit more I guess |
| 00:39.47 | Bam__ | I've done it for my item-price library.. works very well |
| 00:40.20 | Bam__ | very little overhead both memory and cpu-wise |
| 00:40.25 | Shadowed|Work | Yea would have to mess around with Java code though for that |
| 00:40.32 | Aella | Java!/ |
| 00:40.34 | Aella | *!? |
| 00:40.37 | Bam__ | erm no :P |
| 00:40.42 | Shadowed|Work | Got to get the data from the armory somehow =p |
| 00:40.47 | Bam__ | I do it completely in Lua |
| 00:41.06 | Shadowed|Work | Yea, but your data is someting that is included the mod is it not? |
| 00:41.19 | Bam__ | yes.. mined from wowhead.com |
| 00:41.37 | Shadowed|Work | Talents have to be gotten through either storing it all and including it with the mod, or the user has to use a third party program (OMG KEYLOGGER) to grab it |
| 00:42.04 | Aella | You can mine data with a stand-aline Lua. ;-) |
| 00:42.05 | TC-Working | http://www.bbspot.com/News/2006/08/language_quiz.php |
| 00:42.07 | Bam__ | sounds similar to what I do |
| 00:42.11 | Shadowed|Work | I could |
| 00:42.29 | Bam__ | but use any language you prefer for the mining :) |
| 00:42.29 | Shadowed|Work | But it's easier to find people with Java installed then it is Lua |
| 00:43.09 | Bam__ | I thought Lua would not be ideal for it.. but I must admit it was much easier in Lua than I had imagined |
| 00:44.07 | cladhaire | mining is simple is lua |
| 00:44.13 | Bam__ | wait you have to install the thing on the user's comp? |
| 00:44.21 | cladhaire | cause parsing is so damn easy |
| 00:44.31 | Shadowed|Work | No no |
| 00:47.52 | Bam__ | oh ok |
| 00:47.52 | Shadowed|Work | User downloads the mod, when they're in game they mouseover or target people in arenas, if we have the spec we display it, if we don't we add it to a SV list. |
| 00:47.52 | Bam__ | if you are the only one who runs it, then use the language you know the best... but do consider Lua as an option |
| 00:47.53 | Shadowed|Work | They can either reloadui or exit, and then they run the program which checks that lists, gets data from armory, saves it and they reloadui and it's available in game |
| 00:47.54 | Shadowed|Work | My understanding is that for Lua you need to include some extra stuff, and it's not exactly commonly installed on computers? |
| 00:47.54 | Bam__ | you need the socket library |
| 00:47.55 | Aella | Actually, Lua is designed to be completely embeddable. |
| 00:47.57 | Aella | But only from C. |
| 00:47.59 | cladhaire | you can get the socket library as a compiled binary |
| 00:48.00 | cladhaire | or dll |
| 00:48.01 | Shadowed|Work | Wouldn't you have to include some specific stuff for LUA for people running Macs also? |
| 00:48.03 | cladhaire | that means you need 2 files in order to make it work, hardly difficult. |
| 00:48.04 | Aella | Not at all. |
| 00:48.05 | Bam__ | http://luaforge.net/projects/luasocket/ |
| 00:48.05 | cladhaire | on mac, compiling lua is extremely easy |
| 00:48.07 | Aella | What cladhaire said. |
| 00:48.08 | Aella | I think luasocket works on Mac too. |
| 00:48.08 | Kaso | luasocket is <3 |
| 00:48.08 | Bam__ | it does |
| 00:48.09 | Shadowed|Work | I may change to it in the future, but people typically have Java installed by default so it's not a big deal and easy |
| 00:48.10 | Aella | Except that if they don't, it's a pain in the rear. =P |
| 00:48.28 | Shadowed|Work | Sucks to be them =p |
| 00:48.29 | Bam__ | Java is fine too... though don't expect people to have it really :P |
| 00:48.30 | Bam__ | easy to install though |
| 00:48.30 | Shadowed|Work | In a month nobodies asked about it, so it's not that big of an issue apparently1 |
| 00:48.50 | Aella | Yeah, I enjoy making issues bigger than they are. |
| 00:49.00 | Shadowed|Work | Arguments are fun anyway |
| 00:49.16 | Kaydeethree | as long as they're not flamefets |
| 00:49.20 | Kaydeethree | then they're just fun to /popcorn |
| 00:49.35 | Kaydeethree | s/flamefets/flamefests/ |
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| 00:49.59 | Aella | And /marshmallow |
| 00:50.59 | cladhaire_ | poo |
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| 00:52.07 | TC-Working | http://www.bbspot.com/News/2006/09/white-and-nerdy-quiz.php |
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| 00:53.54 | Kaso | White? Yes No |
| 00:53.54 | Malakor | I have a variable setup in my localization.lua set as NPC_MORAE_NAME how can I access that variable from the command line when the user types /cmd morae |
| 00:53.57 | Kaso | haha |
| 00:54.30 | Malakor | i tried rt=NPC_..cmd..NAME but that doesnt work |
| 00:54.43 | Kaso | you need _G |
| 00:54.55 | Malakor | ?? |
| 00:54.56 | Aella | One way is: |
| 00:55.02 | Kaso | _G["NPC_"..cmd.."_NAME"] |
| 00:55.11 | Kaso | but it would be better to save your npc names as a table prob |
| 00:55.21 | Malakor | hmm |
| 00:55.32 | Aella | rt = getglobal("NPC_"..string.upper(cmd).."_NAME") |
| 00:55.33 | Bam__ | _G["NPC_" .. string.upper(cmd) .. "_NAME"] |
| 00:55.36 | Aella | But yes, table would be much better. |
| 00:55.48 | Shirik | aaahhh |
| 00:55.58 | TC-Working | ~poke Shirik |
| 00:56.10 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Shirik, pokes Shirik repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 00:56.10 | Malakor | what advantage of using a table...less overhead? |
| 00:56.10 | Shirik | hai |
| 00:56.10 | Shirik | :D |
| 00:56.12 | Aella | Much, much prettier. |
| 00:56.22 | Aella | Makes far more sense. |
| 00:56.24 | TC-Working | nbs is triggering alerts in BASE..... |
| 00:56.33 | Shirik | huh? |
| 00:56.40 | TC-Working | you bastard |
| 00:56.41 | Bam__ | Malakor: fewer global variables to pollute the global namespace |
| 00:56.42 | TC-Working | :) |
| 00:56.49 | Shirik | base? |
| 00:57.00 | TC-Working | Basic Analysis and Security Engine |
| 00:57.04 | Malakor | ic |
| 00:57.07 | Shirik | ah |
| 00:57.12 | TC-Working | it's the followup from ACID |
| 00:57.19 | TC-Working | like snort, etc. |
| 00:57.23 | Shirik | Malakor: http://www.wowwiki.com/Namespaces |
| 00:57.37 | Bam__ | also a lot faster.. if that means anything in this case |
| 00:57.37 | Malakor | so the table exists in the main lua framework and not the localization.lua? |
| 00:57.38 | Shirik | sorry |
| 00:57.39 | Shirik | http://www.wowwiki.com/Object_Oriented_Programming#Namespaces |
| 00:58.05 | Aella | You could easily create it in localization.lua and reference it elsewhere. |
| 00:58.10 | Malakor | ic |
| 00:58.37 | Malakor | i will do some research then and be back with I ton more questions probably |
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| 01:05.23 | Corrodias | whoa. |
| 01:05.30 | Cide | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:05.30 | Corrodias | we just got the maiden down for the second time ever |
| 01:05.42 | Corrodias | first attempt tonight, although we've failed innumerable times |
| 01:05.47 | Shirik | graats! |
| 01:06.06 | Corrodias | and it all just went so smoothly... we were using a new strategy, i admit, and i was on DPS instead of healing, thank god |
| 01:10.55 | Corrodias | and we finally figured out that it's MUCH safer to kill the "aoe groups" at the top of the steps on the second floor one at a time |
| 01:11.05 | Corrodias | without a paladin tanking, anyway |
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| 01:13.26 | Malakor | the command _G is a reference to a global variable or does it access my table variables as well?? |
| 01:13.35 | Ku | Hello again. I've found some things out. |
| 01:13.38 | Shirik | _G = getfenv(0) |
| 01:13.45 | Malakor | ic |
| 01:13.47 | Malakor | ty |
| 01:14.17 | Ku | The GetMerchantItemInfo(index) function is only for the current page of a merchant. How would you suggest scanning other pages without the player seeing? |
| 01:14.28 | Malakor | ok so i created the table and used the command PF_NPCFormTitleString:SetText(_G[cmd..".name"]); |
| 01:14.28 | Shirik | but if you change the global environment |
| 01:14.29 | Cide | >>> return _G == _G._G, _G == _G._G_.G_.G, _G._G._G == _G._G._G._G._G |
| 01:14.29 | Cide | Cide: [string "return _G == _G._G, _G == _G._G_.G_.G, _G._..."]:1: attempt to index field '_G_' (a nil value) |
| 01:14.36 | Shirik | nice try Cide |
| 01:14.43 | Malakor | but the title is blank? |
| 01:14.51 | Kaydeethree | I uh |
| 01:15.00 | Ku | Also, IsUsable lets you know if your character can use the item (IE, not red.). |
| 01:15.00 | Kaydeethree | having a really hard time trying to parse that |
| 01:15.05 | Cide | >>> return _G == _G._G, _G == _G._G._G_.G, _G._G._G == _G._G._G._G._G |
| 01:15.05 | Cide | Cide: [string "return _G == _G._G, _G == _G._G._G_.G, _G._..."]:1: attempt to index field '_G_' (a nil value) |
| 01:15.08 | Shirik | actually |
| 01:15.09 | Cide | god, so hard to spot |
| 01:15.10 | Shirik | that should be ok |
| 01:15.16 | Shirik | I don't see anything wrong :/ |
| 01:15.21 | Cide | >>> return _G == _G._G, _G == _G._G._G._G, _G._G._G == _G._G._G._G._G |
| 01:15.21 | Cide | Cide: true, true, true |
| 01:15.22 | Malakor | hrmm |
| 01:15.24 | Ku | So, to a priest, Shields aren't usable, but cloth armor is, and so is all other items. |
| 01:15.40 | Shirik | wtf |
| 01:15.40 | Shirik | those all look equal to me! |
| 01:15.40 | Ku | Or whatever. |
| 01:15.40 | Cide | _. vs ._, hehe |
| 01:15.44 | Shirik | It's probably my client screwing with the text again |
| 01:15.45 | Shirik | oh |
| 01:15.45 | Shirik | yeah |
| 01:15.45 | Shirik | I see it now |
| 01:15.55 | batrick | what's the diff lol |
| 01:16.04 | Shirik | _G._G vs _G_. |
| 01:16.11 | Shirik | _G_.G |
| 01:16.37 | Shirik | difference is accessing a defined table _G or an undefined table _G_ |
| 01:16.47 | Kaso | im very confused by all those _Gs |
| 01:17.26 | Cide | >>> _G == _G["_G"], _G == _G["_G"]["_G"]["_G"], _G["_G"] == _G["_G"]["_G"], _G == getfenv(0) |
| 01:17.27 | Cide | Cide: true, true, true, true |
| 01:17.52 | Malakor | it works fine as PF_NPCFormTitleString:SetText(morae.name); |
| 01:18.02 | Malakor | but not the other way |
| 01:18.23 | Corrodias | interesting... 4 of our kara raid are druids |
| 01:18.34 | Corrodias | one of each form (bear, cat, tree, boom) |
| 01:18.42 | Shirik | lol boomkin |
| 01:18.55 | Kaso | >>> local r="_G" while (RunScript(r)) do r=r.."._G" return r |
| 01:18.55 | Cide | Kaso: [string "local r="_G" while (RunScript(r)) do r=r.."._G" return r"]:1: 'end' expected near '<eof>' |
| 01:18.58 | Shirik | we had a discussion a few days ago about what would happen if the GCD existed |
| 01:19.01 | Kaso | >>> local r="_G" while (RunScript(r)) do r=r.."._G" end return r |
| 01:19.02 | Cide | Kaso: [string "local r="_G" while (RunScript(r)) do r=r.."..."]:1: attempt to call global 'RunScript' (a nil value) |
| 01:19.04 | Shirik | we came to the concusion that boomkins would have a purpose |
| 01:19.21 | DT_ | Sup Malakor |
| 01:19.27 | Malakor | hey dt |
| 01:19.32 | DT_ | To tank Kiggler Shirik? |
| 01:19.39 | Kaso | no runscript -_- not like it would have gotten past your infinite loop stopper but still |
| 01:19.40 | DT_ | To make easy targets for rogues? |
| 01:19.54 | Kaso | your lua enviroment has several differences from wow's Cide! |
| 01:20.02 | Cide | oh really? :P |
| 01:20.10 | Cide | >>> UIParent, CreateFrame, debugprofilestart |
| 01:20.10 | Cide | Cide: nil, nil, nil |
| 01:20.11 | Shirik | yeah there's no CreateFrame() either |
| 01:20.11 | Shirik | wtf |
| 01:20.15 | Kaso | not good enough imo *nod* |
| 01:20.24 | Corrodias | our boomkin is at the top of the DPS chart, by a decent margin, over the fire mage |
| 01:20.29 | Kaso | thought about using it with WoWbench? |
| 01:20.38 | Malakor | thx for the pulldown and the comments btw it helps alot |
| 01:20.44 | Ku | Here is a question: While visiting a merchant, how can I get an Lua script to turn the page? |
| 01:20.55 | Cide | Kaso: not really, too complex |
| 01:21.05 | Corrodias | actually, it looks like i'm passing the fire mage myself, in cat form with my tanking gear on |
| 01:21.22 | Corrodias | i wonder about this thing's accuracy... |
| 01:21.23 | DT_ | Ku, MerchantNextPageButton_OnClick() |
| 01:21.59 | Ku | Now, where did you go to find that? |
| 01:22.06 | Shirik | the code, probably |
| 01:22.08 | Kaso | the frame xml |
| 01:22.14 | Kaso | ~framexml |
| 01:22.16 | purl | get the official Blizzard Interface AddOn Kit here: http://www.blizzard.com/support/wow/?id=aww01671p |
| 01:22.19 | Kaso | or ~wdn |
| 01:22.22 | Kaso | ~wdn |
| 01:22.24 | purl | World of Warcraft Developer Network, a website where you can see the changes made to WoW's interface files between versions and also where you can download said versions. http://wdn.wowinterface.com/ |
| 01:22.40 | DT_ | Went into frame xml, opened up MerchantFrame.xml, searched for "next", found <Button name="MerchantNextPageButton">, looked in the <OnClick> handler |
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| 01:41.07 | Thunder_Chil1 | Cide: Ping |
| 01:41.28 | Cide | hi |
| 01:41.35 | Thunder_Child | hey |
| 01:41.54 | Thunder_Child | quick question, how often are items updated on ctprofiles? |
| 01:42.13 | Cide | depends on what type of item |
| 01:42.27 | Thunder_Child | i high end |
| 01:42.45 | Thunder_Child | i was seting up a wish list and browsing them on wowhead |
| 01:43.11 | Deetee | WoWhead items are displaying the changes from the PTR, Ctprofiles is probably still using the live versions |
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| 01:44.42 | Thunder_Child | ah..and here i thought they had a live/other selecter |
| 01:44.49 | Thunder_Child | for wowhead that is |
| 01:45.55 | Deetee | Don't think so, or if there is then I haven't seen it |
| 01:45.55 | Deetee | Thottbot has a live/test selector though |
| 01:46.23 | Thunder_Child | ah..ok, thanks |
| 01:47.14 | Mike-N-Go | Hello, Cide, how is CT coming along? |
| 01:47.45 | Nom- | *sigh* |
| 01:47.48 | Mike-N-Go | Alright, heh. |
| 01:48.30 | Kaso | Hows CT_ShieldMod coming along! |
| 01:48.50 | Cide | it's not :) |
| 01:49.05 | Mike-N-Go | Cide, take a look at http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info6909-MecairesMacrotexter.html there is an addon that I think may be addapted to CT, I rather like what it does, it currently does not work with CT action buttons. |
| 01:49.46 | Cide | then you should submit a suggestion to the author telling them to make it compatible :) |
| 01:50.16 | Kaso | Will i ever see CT_ShieldMod again or shall i give in and write my own one. |
| 01:50.19 | Kaso | i miss it so |
| 01:50.36 | Kaydeethree | mec said he/she wanted to plug it in to ct's bars at some point, but s/he's out of the country for a while |
| 01:50.39 | Cide | no idea, we'd like to re-add it at some point |
| 01:50.40 | Kaso | or update the old ct_sm for 2.0 more likely |
| 01:50.41 | batrick | what did it do again kaso? |
| 01:51.11 | Kaso | Showed you how much hp is left on your PW:S (and ice barrier and mana shield with modifications) |
| 01:51.22 | batrick | o |
| 01:51.28 | batrick | ya i remember/liked that |
| 01:51.45 | Deetee | Doesn't the combat log only say that you absorded the dmg, not how much you absorbed? |
| 01:51.47 | Kaydeethree | cide: one thing I've been wondering about... "/hail"'s in game as an emote. any reason why it's still in ct_core |
| 01:52.10 | Kaso | It recorded damage you took whilst shield was down and used that average Deetee |
| 01:52.12 | Cide | Ts wanted it in, you'd have to ask the designer! |
| 01:52.32 | Kaso | wasnt that something from everquest or some other mmorpg |
| 01:52.38 | Cide | EQ, yes |
| 01:53.00 | batrick | could just be an option >.> |
| 01:53.38 | DT__ | Why can't I /nick DT |
| 01:53.42 | DT__ | It always makes me DT_ or something |
| 01:53.48 | Kaydeethree | tell nickserv to /ghost it? |
| 01:53.54 | Cide | name in use probably |
| 01:54.28 | JoshBorke | dbaikpt |
| 01:54.30 | JoshBorke | exactly |
| 01:54.32 | DT__ | Doesn't look like it's in use, and I'm horrible with IRC Kaydeethree, what's ghosting? |
| 01:54.45 | JoshBorke | DT is in use |
| 01:54.53 | Kaydeethree | if you've registered the nick DT with nickserv, run the command "/msg nickserv ghost DT <your password>" |
| 01:54.59 | JoshBorke | they are currently in #centos and #centos-social |
| 01:55.03 | DT__ | Oh |
| 01:55.19 | DT__ | I registed Deetee, but I hate the way it looks |
| 01:55.25 | DT__ | I'd like just DT but I guess I can't have it |
| 01:55.37 | Ku | QUERY: I have created a tooltip for scanning. Do any of you know where I could find a way to load the data into the tooltip? |
| 01:55.40 | Ku | I have this: |
| 01:55.40 | Ku | NewRecipe_ScanningTooltip:ClearLines(); |
| 01:55.40 | Ku | NewRecipe_ScanningTooltip:SetX(args); |
| 01:55.53 | Ku | I need to figure out what SetX should be. |
| 01:56.00 | DT__ | SetText() |
| 01:56.19 | Ku | I need to load it from the merchant pane. |
| 01:56.59 | Malakor | be back later |
| 01:57.29 | Cide | batrick: shrug |
| 01:57.30 | JoshBorke | Ku: did you try SetMerchantItem? |
| 01:57.35 | Cide | takes time |
| 01:57.40 | batrick | ya i know |
| 01:58.02 | batrick | someone who truly wanted to make it so ctcore didn't do /hail would just hook the function |
| 01:58.10 | batrick | naturally |
| 01:59.00 | Ku | Is that a function? Do you happen to have the API for it? |
| 01:59.31 | DT_ | tooltip:SetMerchantItem sets the tooltip to a specified merchant item so that you can parse it |
| 01:59.37 | JoshBorke | i have this link: http://www.wowwiki.com/Widget_API#GameTooltip |
| 01:59.41 | JoshBorke | perhaps it'll help? |
| 02:00.09 | Ku | Yeah! Are there any parameters on that? |
| 02:00.17 | Ku | How does it know which merchant item to set? |
| 02:00.26 | JoshBorke | yes, i'm sure it's like the other ones |
| 02:00.30 | JoshBorke | try it out |
| 02:00.35 | JoshBorke | perhaps it's in the wow code somewhere |
| 02:00.45 | JoshBorke | you can get a live version at wdn.wowinterface.com |
| 02:00.50 | Ku | Good call, sir. Good call. |
| 02:03.52 | Ku | I think I'm setting it up wrong in my XML. |
| 02:04.00 | cladhaire | opera house, brb |
| 02:04.06 | Ku | <GameTooltip name="NewRecipe_ScanningTooltip" inherits="GameTooltipTemplate"> |
| 02:04.07 | Ku | <Scripts> |
| 02:04.07 | Ku | <Onload> |
| 02:04.07 | Ku | this:SetOwner(UIParent, "ANCHOR_NONE"); |
| 02:04.07 | Ku | </Onload> |
| 02:04.07 | Ku | </Scripts> |
| 02:04.09 | Ku | </GameTooltip> |
| 02:04.10 | Shirik | ..... |
| 02:04.14 | Shirik | please read the topic |
| 02:04.21 | Ku | Yeah, pastebin. |
| 02:04.31 | JoshBorke | no quotes around GameTooltipTemplate i thought |
| 02:04.31 | Ku | One second... |
| 02:04.59 | Aella | Is OnLoad case-sensitive? |
| 02:05.04 | DT_ | Yes |
| 02:05.06 | Shirik | everything is case sensitive |
| 02:05.07 | Ku | http://wowi.pastey.net/32426 |
| 02:05.12 | DT_ | Should be OnLoad |
| 02:05.25 | Ku | Okay. That was basically copy & paste from WOWWiki. |
| 02:05.28 | Aella | *duh* XML is case-sensitive, I knew that |
| 02:05.30 | Ku | I'll changes those. |
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| 02:08.09 | Ku | Well, it loads fine, but I keep getting an error the first time I call: NewRecipe_ScanningTooltip:SetMerchantItem(i); |
| 02:08.28 | Shirik | it loads fine because there's nothing to do when you load |
| 02:11.47 | Ku | Any idea why I would get this error: Message: ..\AddOns\NewRecipe\NewRecipe.lua line 28: |
| 02:11.48 | Ku | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:12.14 | Aella | There's probably a syntax error in your XML file. |
| 02:12.27 | Ku | http://wowi.pastey.net/32426 |
| 02:12.32 | Ku | I fixed the OnLoad error. |
| 02:12.40 | Aella | That's your whole XML file? That explains it. |
| 02:12.52 | Ku | Well, no. That's just that part. |
| 02:13.01 | Aella | A syntax error anywhere in it would cause said error. |
| 02:13.16 | Ku | The whole thing: http://wowi.pastey.net/32430 |
| 02:13.25 | Shirik | >>? http://wowi.pastey.net/32430 |
| 02:13.30 | Shirik | :( |
| 02:13.34 | Legorol | you have put GameTooltip directly under Frame |
| 02:13.38 | Shirik | no cide :( |
| 02:13.42 | Ku | Cide? |
| 02:13.47 | Aella | Take your <GameTooltip> object alongside the <Frame> one, not inside it. |
| 02:13.48 | Cide | Shirik: input appears to be syntactically correct. |
| 02:13.54 | Legorol | put <GameTooltip> outside <Frame> |
| 02:13.55 | Aella | It isn't a child of your fram.e |
| 02:13.56 | Legorol | ah, Aella beat me |
| 02:14.18 | Cide | it takes loading a web page + processing :P |
| 02:14.21 | Shirik | able to leap tall buildings with a single bound! |
| 02:14.22 | Ku | Okay. So, outside of Frame, outside Frames, inside Ui. |
| 02:14.23 | Shirik | ok :( |
| 02:14.29 | Shirik | sorry |
| 02:14.31 | Shirik | I'm impatient |
| 02:14.49 | Aella | <Frames> is a tag for inner frames inside an existing frame, I believe. |
| 02:14.57 | cladhaire | correct |
| 02:14.59 | Aella | But yes. |
| 02:15.14 | Legorol | on a philosophical note, it's an interesting thing to see how we differ in our approach as to how we respond to the problem at hand |
| 02:15.15 | Aella | All top-level objects should be within <Ui>. |
| 02:15.28 | Legorol | I have pointed out what he has done wrong, Aella has said what he should have done |
| 02:15.35 | Legorol | interesting difference in educational principles |
| 02:15.48 | Shirik | I don't like to tell people what they should have done :P |
| 02:15.48 | cladhaire | :P |
| 02:15.55 | cladhaire | Legorol: you consistently amuse me :P |
| 02:16.00 | cladhaire | for reasons i'm sure you can understand |
| 02:16.02 | Legorol | cladhaire: how so? |
| 02:16.05 | Aella | I generally assume that the error is simply a mistake, and that once it is pointed out the user will understand why. (Or else ask.) |
| 02:16.06 | Legorol | oh right |
| 02:16.07 | Legorol | i won't ask then |
| 02:16.22 | cladhaire | =) |
| 02:16.24 | Shirik | nothing wrong with it |
| 02:16.26 | Shirik | just different |
| 02:16.31 | Legorol | was that an amuse in "i am laughing my ass off" way, or "interesting, hmm |
| 02:16.40 | cladhaire | laughing my ass off |
| 02:16.42 | cladhaire | because its interesting :P |
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| 02:16.47 | Legorol | hehe |
| 02:16.48 | cladhaire | we're too alike, we'd be dangerous |
| 02:16.49 | Legorol | good combo |
| 02:16.51 | cladhaire | in some regards |
| 02:17.10 | Aella | Though as I am a tutor for this sorta stuff, it's rather useful to be reminded to think about these things. =D |
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| 02:17.31 | Ku | It's working very well, now. |
| 02:17.38 | Ku | I like Aella's method more. :) |
| 02:17.46 | Ku | It makes me feel better about myself. |
| 02:17.51 | Legorol | "give a man a fish..." need i continue? |
| 02:18.59 | Ku | No one gave me a fish. She showed me what I should do. Now I know. |
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| 02:20.40 | batrick | you shouldn't take it personally ku |
| 02:20.40 | batrick | everyone comes in here for help sometimes...e xcept maybe cide and iriel |
| 02:20.40 | batrick | bastards know everything |
| 02:20.40 | Shirik | lol |
| 02:20.40 | ScytheBlade1 | It's sad but true |
| 02:21.24 | Shirik | Hey! |
| 02:21.24 | Shirik | I've helped Cide before :( |
| 02:21.24 | Cide | I'd argue I don't come close to Iriel's knowledge and I'd also argue a lot of people in here know more lua than I do |
| 02:21.24 | Shirik | like once... |
| 02:21.24 | Cairenn | and some of us know absolutely nothing, so .. |
| 02:21.24 | ScytheBlade1 | lua is one thing |
| 02:21.24 | Shirik | ~hug Cairenn |
| 02:21.35 | purl | ACTION hugs Cairenn |
| 02:21.35 | ScytheBlade1 | WoW's implimentation and API is another |
| 02:21.35 | Cide | true |
| 02:21.52 | Aella | I spend way too much time reading the built-in UI files, but I have no add-ons to my name, so… |
| 02:21.53 | Shirik | :( |
| 02:21.53 | Shirik | and I do the opposite |
| 02:21.53 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 02:21.53 | Shirik | I do more writing, poking things until they work |
| 02:21.59 | Shirik | and that's how I figure things out |
| 02:22.00 | Shirik | rarely do I go to the UI code, though I do occasionally |
| 02:22.29 | ScytheBlade1 | To be fair, my addons are so stupidly simple, that minor code changes like 1.12 --> 2.0 didn't break them at all... not one line of code changed |
| 02:22.45 | ScytheBlade1 | So yeah, I'm pretty clueless :) |
| 02:22.48 | Shirik | and my addon got almost entirely rewritten :( |
| 02:23.00 | ScytheBlade1 | That's what you get for putting effort into things! |
| 02:23.20 | Shirik | let's take a look |
| 02:23.23 | Aella | Hey, something I just thought about: frame attributes. Can you change them in-combat if they aren't on a protected frame? |
| 02:23.31 | Shirik | er |
| 02:23.36 | Shirik | you mean like :SetAttribute() ? |
| 02:23.49 | Aella | Yes. |
| 02:23.58 | cladhaire | attribtues aren't necessary on non protected frames |
| 02:23.58 | Shirik | I... didn't even realize that exists for insecure frames |
| 02:23.59 | cladhaire | so |
| 02:24.02 | cladhaire | it does |
| 02:24.04 | cladhaire | but its useless |
| 02:24.06 | cladhaire | its overhead |
| 02:24.18 | Aella | I'm thinking of the chat edit boxes. |
| 02:24.40 | cladhaire | the default ones? |
| 02:24.42 | Aella | Yes. |
| 02:24.44 | cladhaire | what attributes are there to set on them? |
| 02:24.51 | Aella | For last tell. |
| 02:25.02 | cladhaire | ah, thats an attribute now? |
| 02:25.08 | Aella | "chatType", "tellTarget", "channelTarget" |
| 02:25.11 | cladhaire | i believe its ignored, but i'm not sure. |
| 02:25.19 | cladhaire | i hadn'tseen the conversino to attribtues, makes more sense now. |
| 02:25.28 | Legorol | are you sure those are attributes? |
| 02:25.32 | Aella | Definitely. |
| 02:25.39 | Legorol | and not member variables of the chat edit box? |
| 02:25.43 | Legorol | ok |
| 02:25.49 | Aella | ChatFrame.lua:2073 |
| 02:25.57 | Legorol | live? |
| 02:26.00 | Aella | Aye. |
| 02:26.10 | Tem | Legorol, that got changed before TBC |
| 02:26.27 | Tem | it was to help with taint problems |
| 02:26.41 | Aella | As I see it, if such attributes can't be changed in combat, a slippery taint makes several functions unusable. |
| 02:27.03 | Ku | Here's a pretty simple Lua question. |
| 02:27.03 | cladhaire | well you can test quite easily =) |
| 02:27.04 | cladhaire | no offense :P |
| 02:27.08 | Aella | True. |
| 02:27.21 | Ku | Is there a function to see if a string starts with or contains another string? |
| 02:27.24 | cladhaire | then we can discuss the implications :P |
| 02:27.25 | Aella | Yep. |
| 02:27.31 | Shirik | string.match |
| 02:27.33 | Shirik | or string.find |
| 02:27.39 | cladhaire | match won't do it |
| 02:27.42 | cladhaire | you need string.find == 1 |
| 02:27.46 | Legorol | or string.gmatch |
| 02:27.46 | Shirik | why not |
| 02:27.49 | Tem | Aella, for non-protected frames, you can change them in combat |
| 02:27.49 | cladhaire | i.e. string.find("some long string", "some") == 1 |
| 02:27.51 | cladhaire | because |
| 02:27.53 | cladhaire | he said BEGINS with |
| 02:27.54 | cladhaire | not contains. |
| 02:27.54 | Shirik | string.match returns nil if it doesn't match |
| 02:27.56 | cladhaire | oh |
| 02:27.58 | cladhaire | anchors |
| 02:27.59 | cladhaire | fucking morong |
| 02:28.00 | Shirik | yeah |
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| 02:28.02 | Aella | Tem: Thanks. |
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| 02:28.08 | Kaydeethree | ? |
| 02:28.09 | Shirik | hahaha |
| 02:28.10 | Kaydeethree | haha |
| 02:28.12 | Shirik | ~comfort cladhaire |
| 02:28.18 | purl | There, there, cladhaire. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 02:28.18 | Legorol | clad: was about to say (not the moron part) |
| 02:28.19 | cladhaire | *wink* |
| 02:28.58 | Ku | So, string.find(myString, "Recipe:") would return nil if it didn't contain that, correct? |
| 02:29.05 | Kaydeethree | oh wow. the forums crashed firefox |
| 02:29.21 | Legorol | Ku: correct |
| 02:29.26 | Ku | Great! |
| 02:29.37 | Legorol | but, you know, such things are in the Lua manual |
| 02:29.42 | Legorol | www.lua.org/manula |
| 02:29.47 | Legorol | s/manula/manual |
| 02:29.48 | Legorol | s/manula/manual/ |
| 02:29.51 | Legorol | bah |
| 02:29.54 | Legorol | i always get that one :/ |
| 02:30.00 | Shirik | ~pil |
| 02:30.03 | purl | well, pil is Programming in Lua, available as both a paperback book and an online version of the same book available at http://www.lua.org/pil |
| 02:30.05 | Legorol | no, not pil |
| 02:30.07 | Legorol | that's not a reference |
| 02:30.10 | Shirik | it's in pil too |
| 02:30.16 | Shirik | and it is most definitely more than a reference |
| 02:30.28 | Legorol | i bet there are things in the reference manual that are not in PiL |
| 02:30.40 | Aella | There are, they're just saner in PiL. |
| 02:30.45 | Shirik | this is true, but there are also people that would understand pil much more clearly |
| 02:30.47 | Legorol | also, being *more* than a reference also means it's cluttered with unnecessary stuff you don't want to know about ;-) |
| 02:30.47 | Aella | (Also potentially out-of-date.) |
| 02:30.52 | cladhaire | well |
| 02:31.00 | cladhaire | one is an authoratative reference for the entire language |
| 02:31.06 | cladhaire | one is a book about the language |
| 02:31.08 | cladhaire | there is a difference |
| 02:31.16 | Legorol | how can something be more clear than the exact precise definition of the language? |
| 02:31.25 | Aella | Here's how. |
| 02:31.26 | Legorol | anything else is just verbose hubbab |
| 02:31.27 | cladhaire | in the case of discrepancy, ref manual always wins. |
| 02:31.34 | Shirik | because it's written in more english than formality |
| 02:31.41 | Legorol | and that's the problem |
| 02:31.46 | Shirik | the reference manual is cluttered with EBNF, C code |
| 02:31.47 | Legorol | english is loose, formality and logic is exact |
| 02:31.51 | Shirik | stuff that wow programmers don't care about |
| 02:32.00 | Shirik | Yes, but english is clearer to understand if you're trying to learn something |
| 02:32.02 | Legorol | yes they do, because it defines exactly what they can expect |
| 02:32.10 | Legorol | Shirik: maybe, depends on personality |
| 02:32.15 | Ku | What are all the recipe types in WOW? |
| 02:32.23 | Ku | Let's see: Recipe, Formula, Pattern |
| 02:32.25 | Legorol | i *personally* (and this is personal) i find it easier to learn stuff by reading the reference |
| 02:32.29 | Ku | Oh! Blueprint? |
| 02:32.37 | Ku | What is the one for blacksmithing? |
| 02:32.41 | Aella | http://www.lua.org/pil/14.html versus the manual's _G |
| 02:32.41 | Shirik | Now, take a step back for a second |
| 02:32.43 | Legorol | Plan |
| 02:32.44 | Legorol | Design |
| 02:32.53 | Shirik | And think if you'd say the same if you're new to programming |
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| 02:33.02 | Shirik | That's the difference |
| 02:33.09 | Legorol | Shirik: when you buy a new electronic device, what do you do first? |
| 02:33.13 | Legorol | Turn it on, or read the manual? |
| 02:33.17 | Shirik | lol |
| 02:33.20 | Shirik | I turn it on myself :P |
| 02:33.21 | Legorol | I am serious |
| 02:33.24 | Legorol | exactly |
| 02:33.35 | Shirik | I don't see the correlation :/ |
| 02:33.43 | Legorol | so you miss the part in the manual that says that you need to make sure to charge the battery for 16 hours before turning it on for the first time, or you shorten its lifetime |
| 02:34.04 | Shirik | that's why I buy PSP so I can get free batteries |
| 02:34.21 | Legorol | what i am saying is that most people like to dive in head first, without attention to details, then worry about details later |
| 02:34.28 | Legorol | i start worrying about the details first, then dive in |
| 02:34.32 | Legorol | i'm just that type of personality |
| 02:34.54 | Legorol | and yes, i learnt Lua for the first time by reading the manual start to finish |
| 02:35.15 | Shirik | huh |
| 02:35.15 | Legorol | i am not saying i understood all of it, or all of it made sense, but i tried to absorb as much as i could |
| 02:35.15 | Aella | The reason the reference manual can confuse people is lines like "Lua itself does not use this variable; changing its value does not affect any environment, nor vice-versa. (Use setfenv to change environments.)" |
| 02:35.17 | Shirik | 22:30:36 ‹Legorol› that's not a reference |
| 02:35.19 | Legorol | then i went and tried things out |
| 02:35.24 | Shirik | you know |
| 02:35.26 | Shirik | if I read that correctly |
| 02:35.31 | Shirik | would have helped |
| 02:36.52 | Shirik | cladhaire, I'm curious now |
| 02:36.59 | cladhaire | k |
| 02:37.02 | cladhaire | boss, keep talking |
| 02:37.04 | cladhaire | i die often |
| 02:37.17 | Shirik | without anchors, why would string.find be able to find strings beginning with something better than string.match |
| 02:37.31 | cladhaire | someone will beat me to it |
| 02:37.37 | cladhaire | but i'll brb |
| 02:37.46 | Aella | Does string.match return the location it found something at? |
| 02:37.52 | Legorol | Shirik: define "better" |
| 02:37.52 | Shirik | ah |
| 02:37.53 | Shirik | yeah it does |
| 02:37.56 | Shirik | that's it |
| 02:38.01 | Legorol | Aella: nope it doesn't |
| 02:38.01 | Aella | You'd need to prepend an empty capture, wouldn't you? |
| 02:38.03 | Legorol | find does |
| 02:38.08 | Shirik | yeah I meant find |
| 02:38.08 | Shirik | sorry |
| 02:38.24 | Shirik | find does, match doesn't. string.match, afaik, is essentially select(3,string.find(...)) |
| 02:38.47 | Legorol | uh Shirik, you can't use select like that |
| 02:39.14 | Shirik | >>> select(3,string.find("(%w) (%w)", "hello world")) |
| 02:39.14 | Cide | Shirik: nil |
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| 02:39.31 | Legorol | >>> select(3,{1,2,3,4}) |
| 02:39.31 | Cide | Legorol: nil |
| 02:39.35 | Legorol | see? |
| 02:39.38 | Shirik | huh? |
| 02:39.46 | Shirik | that's completely different |
| 02:39.47 | Legorol | select is restricted to be used in conjunction with ... |
| 02:39.52 | Legorol | it's identical |
| 02:39.54 | Aella | >>> select(3, 1, 2, 3, 4) |
| 02:39.54 | Cide | Aella: 3, 4 |
| 02:39.58 | Aella | ^ |
| 02:40.00 | Shirik | that's a table |
| 02:40.01 | Legorol | bah |
| 02:40.01 | Xuerian | ("whatever"):match() ftw |
| 02:40.06 | Shirik | and it's not restricted to ... |
| 02:40.09 | Legorol | ok i admit defeat |
| 02:40.33 | Shirik | the... righto rder of parameters helps |
| 02:40.38 | Legorol | >>> select(3,string.find("(%w+) (%w+)", "hello world")) |
| 02:40.38 | Cide | Legorol: nil |
| 02:40.40 | Aella | Find only returns the starting and ending indexes, match returns the captures. |
| 02:40.42 | Shirik | >>> select(3,string.find("hello world", "(%w) (%w)")) |
| 02:40.43 | Cide | Shirik: "o", "w" |
| 02:40.45 | Shirik | there you go |
| 02:40.55 | Legorol | indeed |
| 02:41.00 | Legorol | i was wrong, you were right |
| 02:41.03 | Legorol | ~lart Legoorl |
| 02:41.03 | purl | strangles Legoorl with a 9-pole serial cable |
| 02:41.06 | Legorol | ~lart Legorol |
| 02:41.07 | purl | says "boot to the head" and knocks Legorol over |
| 02:41.10 | Xuerian | >>> print("Cide is a host.") |
| 02:41.10 | Cide | Xuerian: "Cide is a host." |
| 02:41.13 | Xuerian | Nifty. |
| 02:41.21 | Legorol | >>> "Cide is a host." |
| 02:41.22 | Cide | Legorol: "Cide is a host." |
| 02:41.29 | Legorol | niftier ;-) |
| 02:41.34 | Xuerian | Fantastic, Legorol. Just fantastic. |
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| 02:41.48 | Shirik | And this is why Cide doesn't leave his computer on 24/7 >< |
| 02:41.52 | Aella | >>> print("Hi", "Bye") |
| 02:41.52 | Cide | Aella: "Hi", "Bye" |
| 02:42.03 | Legorol | >>> "Hi", "Bye" |
| 02:42.03 | Cide | Legorol: "Hi", "Bye" |
| 02:42.28 | Xuerian | >>> for i, 3 do print "Fun" end |
| 02:42.28 | Cide | Xuerian: [string "for i, 3 do print "Fun" end"]:1: '<name>' expected near '3' |
| 02:42.32 | Xuerian | XD |
| 02:42.32 | cladhaire | what i was saying |
| 02:42.33 | Aella | The default print function doesn't print out Lua-formatted strings, does it? |
| 02:42.37 | Shirik | ok cladhaire |
| 02:42.38 | Shirik | I got it |
| 02:42.43 | cladhaire | if you cannot find a string prefix using just string.match |
| 02:42.44 | Shirik | string.find would return 1 for the first parameter |
| 02:42.45 | cladhaire | you have to string.sub |
| 02:42.50 | cladhaire | string.find is instant |
| 02:42.55 | Ku | One last question. How do I color my messages I send to ChatFrame1? |
| 02:42.56 | cladhaire | bt the point is moot when we have anchors |
| 02:43.08 | Aella | Ku: ChatFrame1:AddMessage(text, r, g, b, a); |
| 02:43.10 | Shirik | Ku: Look at color escape sequences |
| 02:43.11 | Shirik | er |
| 02:43.14 | Shirik | or that I guess |
| 02:43.23 | Aella | ./ninja |
| 02:43.24 | Ku | Thanks! |
| 02:43.29 | Cide | depends on what you mean by color |
| 02:43.37 | Cide | ..., r, g, b, a) colors the whole line |
| 02:43.59 | Cide | |cAARRGGBBtext|r can be used to color specific text segments |
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| 02:48.09 | Aella | I have a new life goal. |
| 02:48.14 | Aella | Never, ever, coin an acronym. |
| 02:48.21 | Shirik | lol |
| 02:48.27 | Shirik | NECA |
| 02:48.29 | Shirik | I like that |
| 02:48.37 | Aella | "whats voip?!" |
| 02:52.02 | Thunder_Child | .... |
| 02:52.06 | Thunder_Child | Voice over IP |
| 02:52.13 | Thunder_Child | and if your screwing around... |
| 02:52.15 | Shirik | I think he knew that |
| 02:52.15 | Aella | I know. Trouble is, they don't. |
| 02:52.18 | Shirik | he was quiting someone else |
| 02:52.20 | Shirik | quoting* |
| 02:52.22 | Thunder_Child | ~bitchslap Aella |
| 02:52.24 | purl | ACTION beats the sh*t out of Aella |
| 02:52.31 | Xuerian | Aella: better. "What's cpu?!" |
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| 02:52.37 | Shirik | I can't find my UBS port |
| 02:52.42 | Xuerian | hahah |
| 02:52.58 | Shirik | Aella, ever worked tech support? |
| 02:53.15 | Aella | No, thank all that is holy. (Unless family and friends counts.) |
| 02:53.22 | Shirik | too bad |
| 02:53.23 | Xuerian | "my modem isn't working!" |
| 02:53.28 | Shirik | you get to hear all of these things |
| 02:53.32 | Shirik | yes modem == computer btw |
| 02:53.32 | Xuerian | "... you don't have a modem..." |
| 02:53.39 | Aella | I prefer to stay in my comfortable and friendly world of software where most is logical. |
| 02:53.49 | Aella | I do highly enjoy the stories. =D |
| 02:53.53 | Xuerian | "Yeah I do, it's this bigass thing I paid you guys too much to fix last time" |
| 02:53.58 | Aella | When they're…yeah…stories. |
| 02:54.18 | Shirik | … <--- what character set is this? |
| 02:54.29 | Aella | Unicode |
| 02:54.32 | Aella | *UTF-8 |
| 02:54.41 | Shirik | my client doesn't like it :( |
| 02:54.49 | Shirik | I'm seeing... |
| 02:54.52 | Aella | ?? |
| 02:54.55 | Aella | Eew. |
| 02:55.02 | Xuerian | dotted-underscore ftw |
| 02:55.02 | Shirik | a with a hat + euro sign + broken pipe |
| 02:55.05 | Aella | ISO Latin doesn't have an ellipsis character. |
| 02:55.11 | Aella | … |
| 02:55.14 | Aella | That come through? |
| 02:55.16 | Xuerian | Oh, ellipsis? XD |
| 02:55.17 | Shirik | yeah |
| 02:55.28 | Aella | Yeah, Windows Latin does have it. |
| 02:55.41 | Aella | Use better IRC clients, nubs. |
| 02:55.48 | Shirik | so every time I see those ugliness it's ellipsis |
| 02:55.49 | Shirik | goti t |
| 02:56.00 | Xuerian | I saw it, nubface. |
| 02:56.03 | Xuerian | >_> |
| 02:56.07 | Aella | I just have an ellipsis habit, Mac-induced. |
| 02:56.29 | Aella | Maybe I'll switch charsets every time I need to send it. |
| 02:56.35 | Shirik | rofl |
| 02:56.58 | Aella | It's only option-semicolon to write a semicolon here, much easier than ... |
| 02:57.12 | Xuerian | ... is just more fun |
| 02:57.20 | Aella | Untrue. |
| 02:57.32 | Xuerian | It's true in the scope of my opinion :D |
| 02:57.35 | Shirik | it makes people realize |
| 02:57.41 | Shirik | all the effort required |
| 02:57.42 | Shirik | for the ... |
| 02:58.01 | Aella | If pressing the same button three times in a row was enjoyable for me, I'd play a rogue. |
| 02:58.08 | Shirik | ROFL |
| 02:59.01 | Aella | string.upper(lol+1)... impressive. I rarely merit that. |
| 02:59.33 | Shirik | that was deserving of it :P |
| 03:01.44 | Shirik | ok |
| 03:02.41 | Shirik | Next time I have this brilliant idea, someone shoot me. I'm faced with these voidwalkers that absorb the first attack and become highly resistant to that school of magic. So I'll use my wand first because it's arcane, then I can use all of skills instead of just half! |
| 03:02.41 | DT__ | Argh, so many roadblocks. Can anyone help me find my error in http://wowi.pastey.net/32462 <-- I'm trying to create function to mimic a virtual template for my edit box, but I can't type in the editbox at all, and when I click in it, the focus blinker looks strange |
| 03:02.50 | Shirik | Except then I run out of mana, and he doesn't die for a year >.> |
| 03:03.33 | Aella | Ah... that might be annoying. |
| 03:03.44 | Shirik | >>? http://wowi.pastey.net/32462 |
| 03:03.45 | Cide | Shirik: input appears to be syntactically correct. |
| 03:04.00 | Aella | ...wow. That is handy. |
| 03:04.03 | Xuerian | You're still using "this", dt. |
| 03:04.05 | Shirik | I vote every time someone links a pastey, they link it like that |
| 03:04.14 | Aella | I definitely will now. |
| 03:04.22 | DT__ | My bad Xuerian, force of habit |
| 03:04.29 | Xuerian | >>? http://goatse.cx |
| 03:04.30 | Cide | Xuerian: [string "http://goatse.cx"]:1: '<name>' expected near '/' |
| 03:04.31 | DT__ | I don't even notice it hehe |
| 03:04.35 | Xuerian | unfair |
| 03:04.35 | DT__ | Lmao |
| 03:04.37 | Shirik | aggg |
| 03:04.58 | Shirik | PLEASE change your script to this: editbox:SetScript("OnEditFocusLost", function() this:HighlightText(strlen(editbox:GetText())); end) |
| 03:05.03 | Shirik | er |
| 03:05.05 | Shirik | no NOT that |
| 03:05.16 | DT__ | I got rid of the all the this's |
| 03:05.18 | Shirik | editbox:SetScript("OnEditFocusLost", function(self) self:HighlightText(strlen(editbox:GetText())); end) |
| 03:05.52 | Aella | Is there some sort of enable keyboard call? |
| 03:06.06 | Shirik | to do? |
| 03:06.36 | Xuerian | :EnableKeyboard ? |
| 03:08.13 | Aella | Well, ChatFrameEditBoxTemplate doesn't do it. |
| 03:09.34 | Shirik | oh |
| 03:09.36 | Shirik | I didn't read the question |
| 03:09.38 | Shirik | that helps |
| 03:11.28 | DT__ | In my xml I had <FontString inherits="ChatFontNormal"/> at the bottom of my EditBox declaration, and I tried doing editbox:CreateFontstring(nil, "OVERLAY", "ChatFontNormal") but it didn't change anything |
| 03:11.36 | DT__ | That's the only difference I can find between the xml and lua versions |
| 03:11.52 | Aella | Whelp, time to watch refugees on a mysterious island caught in a overarching plot struggle to survive and make babies. |
| 03:11.59 | Aella | Peace out. |
| 03:12.03 | Shirik | take care |
| 03:12.09 | DT__ | Later |
| 03:19.29 | DT__ | Anyone have any idea? |
| 03:19.39 | Kaso | DT__ sorry i just came into the conversion |
| 03:20.03 | DT__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:20.03 | Kaso | your converting xml to lua? |
| 03:20.37 | Kaso | and the xml please |
| 03:21.05 | DT__ | http://wowi.pastey.net/32472 |
| 03:21.07 | Shirik | http://img512.imageshack.us/my.php?image=texturesxj5.png does anyone know what that Texture: INV_Misc_Spineleaf_01 is? Devtools says it came from that BAG_UPDATE event |
| 03:21.51 | Kaso | i'd be tempted to make AddMessage() call error() then trace back the call stack :> |
| 03:22.18 | Shirik | ooooh |
| 03:22.20 | Shirik | that's not a bad idea |
| 03:22.37 | Shirik | I could hook AddMessage() to grab the call stack every time |
| 03:22.43 | Shirik | and add it to devtools' tooltip |
| 03:22.53 | Kaso | that'd prob be the less dirty way of doing it |
| 03:23.13 | Shirik | and I'd keep it, for future use :) |
| 03:24.59 | DT__ | Kaso: the only difference I see between the xml and lua is that the xml has a <FontString inherits="ChatFontNormal"/> at the bottom, so I tried editbox:CreateFontString(nil, "OVERLAY", "ChatFontNormal") but it didn't do anything |
| 03:25.09 | Kaso | yah thats clearly the problem, ive never used an editbox before so im just investigating |
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| 03:31.09 | Kaso | this is wierd... |
| 03:31.22 | Shirik | no! |
| 03:31.25 | Shirik | self is wierd! |
| 03:31.29 | Shirik | Don't use this |
| 03:33.29 | DT__ | Yeah, all the this's have been selfs for a while now |
| 03:33.38 | DT__ | I just didn't bother making another pastey |
| 03:33.39 | Shirik | that was at KAso :P |
| 03:33.51 | DT__ | Oh hehe |
| 03:33.58 | Kaso | ok got it i think |
| 03:34.04 | Shirik | hm, is it worth dropping about 1.5% crit to gain 30 healing and 10 mp/5? |
| 03:34.15 | Kaso | class? |
| 03:34.16 | DT__ | Without a doubt |
| 03:34.19 | Shirik | priest |
| 03:34.21 | Kaso | yah |
| 03:34.40 | DT__ | Crit is only valuable for paladins I'd say, and even then the healing and mp5 make up for it |
| 03:35.12 | Shirik | ok thanks :) |
| 03:35.43 | Kaso | this may seem wierd but try select(1,TestFrame:GetRegions()):SetFontObject("ChatFontNormal") |
| 03:35.49 | Shirik | erm |
| 03:35.53 | Shirik | select(1) has no purpose :/ |
| 03:35.55 | DT__ | TestFrame? |
| 03:35.56 | Kaso | true |
| 03:36.04 | Kaso | replace TestFrame with your frame name :> |
| 03:36.10 | Kaso | and loose the select :> |
| 03:37.11 | Shirik | oh god VOIP in wow |
| 03:37.13 | Shirik | please no -_- |
| 03:37.52 | DT__ | That fixes the typing thing Kaso, I can type in it now, but the blinker looks all messed up for some reason |
| 03:38.03 | Kaso | that im not sure of |
| 03:38.04 | Kaydeethree | welcome to about 10 hours ago in general, shirik |
| 03:38.16 | Kaso | "messed up" how? |
| 03:38.20 | Shirik | :( |
| 03:38.26 | Shirik | I don't read general you know this |
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| 03:41.40 | DT__ | Kaso: http://tinyurl.com/2hyww8 |
| 03:41.50 | Kaso | wierd |
| 03:42.00 | Kaso | i haven't the foggiest |
| 03:44.11 | DT__ | That is the type of thing that eats away at me, and won't let me work on anything else until it's fixed. I'm OCD about those little things >.< |
| 03:44.18 | Kaso | do you have ace2 ? |
| 03:44.22 | DT__ | No |
| 03:44.58 | Kaso | ok, i was gonna suggest spamming its dump and seeing if any of the returns are different between the edit boxes |
| 03:45.17 | DT__ | I can spam the devtool dump |
| 03:45.29 | Kaso | devtools dump doesnt do the same thing |
| 03:45.51 | DT__ | Oh |
| 03:45.53 | Kaso | in ace when you dump a frame it shows the the returns of all the "getwhatever" functions beloning to that frame |
| 03:46.08 | Kaso | http://www.wowwiki.com/Widget_API#EditBox |
| 03:46.15 | Kaso | good luck finding the difference :> |
| 03:46.52 | Kaso | oh wait |
| 03:47.04 | Kaso | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:47.04 | Kaso | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:47.04 | Kaso | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:47.04 | Kaso | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:47.11 | Kaso | could it be that? |
| 03:47.49 | DT__ | But I have editbox:SetNumeric(1); |
| 03:47.49 | DT__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:47.59 | Kaso | oh |
| 03:48.02 | Kaso | im blind :> |
| 03:48.40 | Kaso | EditBox:SetHistoryLines(0) perhaps? |
| 03:49.26 | DT__ | GetHistoryLines() was 0 for both |
| 03:49.33 | Sole | hi guys |
| 03:49.43 | Kaso | try setting it anyway |
| 03:49.47 | Kaso | just in case |
| 03:49.51 | Sole | so I was about to go for a run and I just found some donuts... |
| 03:50.07 | Sole | the runs gonna wait til tommorow :D |
| 03:51.09 | DT__ | ArenaPointMasterUI.lua:46: Usage: <unnamed>:SetHistoryLines(numLines) |
| 03:51.18 | DT__ | That's the error it gives me, which is why I left that part out |
| 03:51.20 | Cairenn | lol Sole |
| 03:51.28 | DT__ | And I'm just doing editbox:SetHistoryLines(0); |
| 03:51.41 | Cide | that likely means numLines has to be > 0 |
| 03:51.54 | DT__ | But it never gave an error in the xml portion |
| 03:52.00 | Sole | ArenaPointMasterUI? |
| 03:52.05 | DT__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:52.10 | DT__ | Worked fine |
| 03:52.13 | Kaso | Perhaps Cide knows why the little cursor is different! |
| 03:52.17 | Kaso | im at a loss |
| 03:52.21 | Cide | which cursor? |
| 03:52.27 | Kaso | http://tinyurl.com/2hyww8 |
| 03:52.39 | Kaso | hes converting a frame he has in XML to lua |
| 03:52.43 | Cide | where's the xml/lua? |
| 03:53.15 | Kaso | http://wowi.pastey.net/32472 |
| 03:53.16 | Kaso | http://wowi.pastey.net/32462 |
| 03:54.46 | Kaso | minor change to the lua though |
| 03:54.47 | Kaso | editbox:GetRegions():SetFontObject("ChatFontNormal") |
| 03:54.47 | Cide | that's just a virtual template |
| 03:54.47 | Cide | show whatever code is used where you make use of the template |
| 03:55.52 | Kaso | DT__ can provid you with that |
| 03:55.52 | DT__ | Yeah |
| 03:55.53 | DT__ | Just redoing the lua pastey |
| 03:55.54 | DT__ | xml: http://wowi.pastey.net/32472 lua: http://wowi.pastey.net/32501 |
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| 03:56.17 | Cide | checking after this doomwalker kill |
| 03:56.25 | DT__ | k |
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| 04:03.39 | Cide | DT__: you're still not showing where you make use of the template |
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| 04:04.34 | DT__ | Oh, sec |
| 04:05.20 | Cide | and use editbox:SetFontObject("ChatFontNormal") instead of editbox:GetRegions():SetFontObject("ChatFontNormal") |
| 04:05.38 | DT__ | K |
| 04:05.49 | DT__ | http://wowi.pastey.net/32513 |
| 04:06.35 | DT__ | It's created in APM_Tab1, which is called at the bottom of APM_CreateMainFrame |
| 04:06.56 | Cide | still not seeing what xml code you used to inherit from APMEditBoxTemplate |
| 04:07.14 | Cide | xml and/or lua code |
| 04:07.43 | DT__ | http://wowi.pastey.net/32515 |
| 04:08.19 | Cide | ok |
| 04:08.29 | Cide | are you still seeing the same issue with the SetFontObject changes? |
| 04:09.07 | DT__ | Actually no lol, that fixed it, tyvm =D |
| 04:09.13 | Cide | cool |
| 04:18.46 | Cairenn | Shirik: ping? |
| 04:18.54 | Shirik | ~hug Cairenn |
| 04:19.05 | purl | ACTION gets a running start and tackle-hugs Cairenn |
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| 04:39.45 | *** topic/#wowi-lounge by Cairenn -> #wowi-lounge: Paste Code Here: http://wowi.pastey.net | 2.1 Toc: 20100 | RTFPN please | Customer: "My system's on fire. What do I do?" |
| 04:39.59 | Shirik | throw it in the bathtub! |
| 04:40.25 | Thunder_Child | Kill yourself |
| 04:40.34 | Shirik | for the record |
| 04:40.36 | Thunder_Child | your obviously to stupid to live |
| 04:40.41 | Kaydeethree | I vote whole-heartedly for the "kill yourself" answer |
| 04:40.42 | Shirik | we /have/ had a computer catch on fire at the store I worked at |
| 04:40.53 | Thunder_Child | yes, but did you ask wtf to do? |
| 04:40.57 | Shirik | lol |
| 04:41.07 | Shirik | We called HP tech support and waited on hold for 30 minutes |
| 04:41.08 | Shirik | while it burned |
| 04:41.10 | Shirik | :D |
| 04:41.18 | Thunder_Child | ~bitchslap Shirik |
| 04:41.20 | purl | ACTION beats the sh*t out of Shirik |
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| 04:58.47 | norgs_away | Shirik: Iwant to know what they told you to do *after* you got off hold |
| 04:58.53 | Shirik | haha |
| 04:58.59 | Shirik | I'm actually really tempted to try this now |
| 04:59.06 | Shirik | call them up, but be really really calm |
| 04:59.11 | Cairenn|afk | night guys |
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| 04:59.16 | Shirik | call Dell and be like "Hi, my computer's been burning for 30 minutes now" |
| 04:59.19 | Shirik | night Cairenn|afk |
| 04:59.26 | norgs | 'Nite Cair |
| 04:59.47 | Kaydeethree | I'd be shocked, shocked if there wasn't a post on TSC within minutes of that call ending |
| 05:00.27 | Shirik | tsc? |
| 05:00.33 | ckknight | Shirik: <indian accent>Hello, my name is Steven |
| 05:00.41 | Kaydeethree | http://www.techcomedy.com/ |
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| 05:24.51 | Sixen | Hey iriel. |
| 05:30.59 | Bleeter | delayed gnight cair |
| 05:31.11 | Shirik | she's probably still here |
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| 06:20.57 | Shirik | wheee 60 |
| 06:20.59 | Shirik | gogogo |
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| 06:22.23 | ckknight | Shirik: 60? |
| 06:22.30 | Shirik | yeah |
| 06:22.32 | Shirik | my priest |
| 06:22.39 | Shirik | I know, 60 means nothing now :( |
| 06:26.19 | ckknight | I've yet to hit 60, Shirik |
| 06:26.20 | ckknight | :-P |
| 06:26.22 | ckknight | I code too much |
| 06:36.47 | JunkHead-Work | Hmm... |
| 06:36.54 | JunkHead-Work | Let me find something real quick. |
| 06:37.01 | JunkHead-Work | I want to know if you guys know about it. |
| 06:39.22 | JunkHead-Work | http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/05/10/addon-spotlight-wow-ui-updater/ |
| 06:39.29 | JunkHead-Work | Have any of you heard of this? |
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| 07:00.57 | ckknight | what about it, JunkHead-Work? |
| 07:01.26 | JunkHead-Work | Just wondering if anyone had used it. |
| 07:01.43 | JunkHead-Work | I tried it and it seems to have broken a few addons and I had to redownload them. |
| 07:01.54 | ckknight | such is life |
| 07:02.12 | JunkHead-Work | Perhaps I needed to add in specific URL's for some mods, but I had to redownload about 6-7 so far. |
| 07:02.39 | JunkHead-Work | Some which had previously worked, required a dependancy after running the updater. |
| 07:02.59 | JunkHead-Work | Or were "Imcompatible" |
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| 07:28.24 | leethal | weirdness.. I taunt ,UNIT_SPELLCAST_SENT goes "k he taunted", the taunt gets resisted.. and UNIT_SPELLCAST_SUCCEEDED goes "player", "Taunt"? |
| 07:28.32 | leethal | is three a UNIT_FOO event to detect if it was resisted or not? |
| 07:29.03 | leethal | I guess UNIT_SPELLCAST only looks for if the spell was cast or not, not what happened when the spell actually landed |
| 07:29.30 | Bam__ | I think you need to parse the combat log for that kind of info |
| 07:30.23 | leethal | yeah that's what I'm doing now |
| 07:30.38 | leethal | I'm scared sick of performance, though, and just discovered the UNIT_FOO events =) |
| 07:31.35 | Bam__ | if you parse everything, then there could be problems.... but if you only look for a few specific messages, then it should be fine |
| 07:32.18 | ckknight | for resists, you have to parse the chat log |
| 07:32.27 | Bam__ | only problem I think, is that the combat log messages are not as reliable and timely as the UNIT_XXX events |
| 07:32.41 | Shirik | you're crazy |
| 07:33.03 | Shirik | combat log messages are the preferred way to do it and works perfectly |
| 07:33.04 | Shirik | has for a while now |
| 07:33.23 | Bam__ | for what purpose exactly? |
| 07:33.40 | Bam__ | for recording and doing statistics? |
| 07:33.48 | Shirik | sure, that's one use |
| 07:33.59 | Bam__ | yea that would be fine |
| 07:34.00 | Shirik | RDXM_BattleRecorder uses combat log messages |
| 07:34.43 | Shirik | connects to almost all of them |
| 07:34.43 | leethal | doesn't parsing combat logs seriously impact performance? I'm kinda new to real-time-event-based-ish programming, but having a function that checks for 10 things every time CHAT_MSG_FOO is fired seems a bit heavy weight to me =/ |
| 07:34.43 | Shirik | sec I'll explain |
| 07:34.43 | Shirik | in instance >.> |
| 07:34.43 | Shirik | ok, what I do |
| 07:34.46 | Shirik | I have almost every combat message stored |
| 07:34.52 | Bam__ | well there are a lot of them... so your code needs to perform well of course :) |
| 07:34.54 | Shirik | and registered for almost every combat event |
| 07:34.59 | Shirik | and it performs perfectly |
| 07:35.04 | Shirik | here's how I do it: I queue messages |
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| 07:35.13 | Shirik | and don't process them right away, but defer processing |
| 07:35.21 | Shirik | simple storage is almost zero time and memory |
| 07:35.36 | Shirik | use a coroutine to handle processing |
| 07:35.48 | Bam__ | and no I'm not crazy.. I'm just giving a helping hand to the best of my abilities ;) |
| 07:36.01 | Shirik | I didn't intend to offend with that, sorry |
| 07:36.06 | Bam__ | np :P |
| 07:36.12 | ckknight | leethal: there are parsing libraries already |
| 07:38.25 | Shirik | here, I'll pastey the code for battle recorder |
| 07:38.38 | Shirik | but be very warnedit's not even close to finished |
| 07:38.46 | Kalman| | There is an event that fires on spell resist, but it's pretty useless since it doesn't tell you what spell resisted. |
| 07:38.55 | leethal | =/ |
| 07:39.01 | Kalman| | UNIT_SPELLMISS iirc. |
| 07:39.29 | Bam__ | heh... on #wowace they also just discussed parsing combat log..... is there something new in 2.1 regarding that? |
| 07:39.38 | Shirik | here you go: http://wowi.pastey.net/32670 |
| 07:39.41 | leethal | so, say I'm checking for "Someone's FOO was resisted by Some Mob.". I have a table of FOOs to check for. |
| 07:39.43 | Shirik | investigate the queuing system if you so desire |
| 07:40.08 | leethal | so, when the event fires, I'm looping through my FOOs and doing a string.find on the combat log text. is that overkill, or am I doing fine? |
| 07:40.21 | leethal | thanks Shirik, I'll look at zhat =) |
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| 07:40.40 | Shirik | remember that string.find will provide a significant performance drop |
| 07:40.47 | Shirik | compared to a straight test |
| 07:40.58 | Shirik | just something to keep in mind |
| 07:41.11 | Shirik | and that's why I queue processing |
| 07:41.49 | leethal | so, I'll rather make myself a "Someone's FOO was resisted by Some Mob." using the globals in GlobalStrings.lua and go if combat_log_text == mystring then .. end ? |
| 07:41.59 | Bam__ | don't the tables get huge? |
| 07:42.10 | Shirik | specifically, look at 142 |
| 07:42.15 | Shirik | yes, BUT |
| 07:42.24 | Shirik | strings are interned, meaning there is almost zero memory used by the table |
| 07:42.57 | Bam__ | ah you use a coroutine to parse in the background so to speak? |
| 07:42.59 | Shirik | since it's an exact copy of what the combat log already has |
| 07:43.04 | Shirik | precisely |
| 07:43.11 | Bam__ | neat |
| 07:43.40 | Bam__ | not seen many good uses of coroutines yet in wow... seems like a nice one |
| 07:45.30 | Shirik | basically what happens |
| 07:45.51 | Shirik | In combat, it parses one event per loop. Out of combat, 5 per loop |
| 07:46.22 | Shirik | The actual scheduling of when loops are handled is done by something else called the adaptive scheduler which essentially slows down each coroutine resume if performance is dropping |
| 07:46.27 | Shirik | on average it should be one loop every 0.2 sec |
| 07:46.57 | Shirik | and I don't even notice a difference |
| 07:46.58 | Shirik | it works great |
| 07:47.16 | Bam__ | you do that by resuming the coroutine after a fixed number of OnUpdate calls? |
| 07:47.32 | Shirik | well, it's not fixed |
| 07:47.41 | Shirik | but yes, that's essentially how it works |
| 07:48.43 | leethal | how exactly do you check for performance dropping? |
| 07:48.44 | Bam__ | that's just something I've been thinking of doing for event handling in general... postpone handling a fixed number of OnUpdates... my idea is that it by itself would "adapt" to framerate that way |
| 07:48.56 | Shirik | that's essentially how it works |
| 07:49.02 | Bam__ | cool |
| 07:49.02 | Shirik | this is why it's called the adaptive scheduler :) |
| 07:49.20 | Shirik | you should see it in there somewhere, actually |
| 07:49.29 | Shirik | ctrl+f for VFL.AdaptiveSchedule |
| 07:49.39 | Bam__ | I believe it might be a general concept for many events |
| 07:49.49 | Bam__ | those that don't need immediate attention |
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| 07:51.13 | Kalman| | Pseudocode - timetonextupdate = filt(framerate,moving average filter coefficients) - something along those lines? |
| 07:51.38 | Kalman| | Except that would update more frequently as it slowed, so inverse or something. |
| 07:51.58 | Bam__ | actually just using a fixed number of OnUpdate... not really any need to consider time in general, I think |
| 07:52.22 | Shirik | well |
| 07:52.26 | Bam__ | because OnUpdate calls are directly related to framerate alrady... if I understand it correctly |
| 07:52.36 | Shirik | I do consider time because it's a "scheduler," it's requests a specific frequency |
| 07:52.45 | Shirik | the way it works, it should average to that frequency (in this case, 0.2s) |
| 07:52.57 | Shirik | if it delays at some point, it will speed up when it can (faster than 0.2) to "catch up" |
| 07:53.08 | Shirik | but that's one of the more advanced components |
| 07:53.11 | Shirik | not necessary for all situations |
| 07:53.16 | Bam__ | yes I can see that it may be useful to consider time to have more control |
| 07:53.40 | Kalman| | Bam_ - yes, but if you're doing enough processing to slow framerate, it would be in your interest to reduce the processing load until the framerate boosts. |
| 07:54.21 | leethal | imba diagram at line 667 Shirik =) |
| 07:54.23 | Bam__ | but that will essentially happen by itself I believe |
| 07:54.58 | Shirik | oh you like that leethal? |
| 07:55.07 | Shirik | ready 665 |
| 07:55.08 | Shirik | read* |
| 07:55.21 | leethal | =) |
| 07:55.25 | Kalman| | It's sort of the difference between a P and PD controller, if I'm thinking right. |
| 07:55.34 | Kalman| | Possibly PI. |
| 07:55.47 | Shirik | Yeah leethal as I was designing it, I wrote that up to explain it to myself :P |
| 07:55.49 | Bam__ | I don't know those terms :P |
| 07:56.23 | Kalman| | If you just let framerate control your update rate, you bounce around and settle at a given framerate for a constant load, right? |
| 07:56.59 | Bam__ | hmmm... that's hard to determine since you have to consider that other addons play a factor too |
| 07:57.17 | Kalman| | Pretend they're generating constant load. |
| 07:57.35 | Shirik | Kalman|'s correct |
| 07:57.37 | Kalman| | If you modify update rate to slow as framerate drops s.t. instead of occurring every onUpdate, you occur on n of every k or on every kth, your framerate will settle at a higher framerate, since the overall load is less. |
| 07:57.38 | Shirik | at first, what's going to happen |
| 07:57.44 | Shirik | if you slow your updates, framerate will increase |
| 07:57.51 | Shirik | which indicates you should speed your updates |
| 07:57.55 | Kalman| | Yep. |
| 07:57.56 | Shirik | which will drop framerate, indicating to slow the updates |
| 07:58.16 | Shirik | which is why it takes a little more effort, but the idea is there |
| 07:58.16 | Kalman| | You'll oscillate and settle at a constant framerate, which will be higher than the framerate for a non-adaptively scheduled onupdate. |
| 07:58.32 | Bam__ | umm yes |
| 07:58.36 | Bam__ | is that bad? |
| 07:58.51 | Shirik | not necessarily |
| 07:58.54 | Shirik | depends on what you're trying to do |
| 07:59.41 | Bam__ | yes my idea was about event handling in general without considering what you were doing exactly... but some applications may need more control as you say |
| 08:00.07 | Kalman| | Well, you can control it by varying the characterics of how you slow/speed updates. |
| 08:00.45 | Bam__ | yea I can see that controlling the number of OnUpdate calls can be beneficial |
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| 08:01.52 | Kalman| | A fixed delay in terms of "I will wait N onUpdates before handling" only helps you if you're queueing events to all go at once and the cost of calling the routine is more than processing cost; if you're just delaying the update, it doesn't buy you anything. |
| 08:03.10 | Bam__ | ahh true... I was actually thinking of some more specific things like updating health bars in unit frames... there are times where waiting and throwing some events away can be a good idea |
| 08:03.17 | Bam__ | if that made any sense :P |
| 08:04.22 | Bleeter | man, the gold spammers are going off their trolleys |
| 08:04.31 | Shirik | they know in 2.1 it won't work anymore :P |
| 08:04.35 | Bleeter | aye |
| 08:04.38 | Bam__ | hehe |
| 08:04.42 | Bleeter | I've counted 6 in 5 mins |
| 08:04.49 | Bam__ | they will have to do it more manually I guess? |
| 08:04.49 | Shirik | ugh |
| 08:04.51 | Bleeter | I'm gunna be turning off whispers soon |
| 08:04.59 | Shirik | thank god I live on a low pop server |
| 08:05.01 | Kalman| | I just disabled whispers from <10 characters. |
| 08:05.17 | Bleeter | too many guild bank alts lvl 1 |
| 08:05.19 | Shirik | gold farmers don't come to my server much it seems since less customer base |
| 08:05.26 | Kalman| | I don't need to talk to bank alts. |
| 08:05.33 | Bam__ | though I bet they will just find a way around it by using external programs :( |
| 08:06.00 | Shirik | imo it's handled server side |
| 08:06.04 | Shirik | if they were doing it intelligently |
| 08:06.13 | Kalman| | And Bam_, yeah, that made sense. |
| 08:06.26 | Bam__ | :P |
| 08:06.40 | Kalman| | Sorry, trying to level and IRC at the same time. Synergy helps, but only so much. :) |
| 08:06.49 | Shirik | hehe |
| 08:06.53 | Bam__ | :D |
| 08:06.58 | Shirik | yeah I'm healing ramparts and IRCing at same time >.> |
| 08:07.10 | leethal | :O |
| 08:07.12 | Kalman| | Getting close; 58 and a half. |
| 08:07.19 | Kalman| | Almost Ramparts time. |
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| 08:10.03 | leethal | hm, can't find that "player joins a party" event |
| 08:10.05 | leethal | RAID_ROSTER_UPDATE doesn't have anything to do with that? |
| 08:10.11 | Shirik | exactly |
| 08:11.07 | leethal | "PARTY_INVITE_REQUEST" perhaps, but that's a bit silly |
| 08:11.11 | Shirik | "SigRaidRosterUpdate is raised on any party or raid join or departure, and when the party or raid members change or are moved between various groups" |
| 08:11.43 | Shirik | quote from our wiki :) |
| 08:12.06 | leethal | what's SigRaidRosterUpdate? |
| 08:12.11 | leethal | and what's our wiki? |
| 08:13.20 | leethal | Shirik, stop healing and come back to irc! |
| 08:13.25 | Shirik | sorry :( |
| 08:13.29 | Shirik | our being the one for RDX |
| 08:13.41 | Shirik | SigRaidRosterUpdate being the RDX signal corresponding to RAID_ROSTER_UPDATE |
| 08:15.37 | leethal | hmm, what exactly is RDX? Linkz plox! |
| 08:15.42 | Shirik | sorry, I know we do things differently :( |
| 08:15.53 | Shirik | http://rdx.emoemu.com |
| 08:15.57 | Shirik | I thought you knew this already! |
| 08:16.46 | Shirik | you make me cry now :( |
| 08:17.04 | Kalman| | Shirik: the closed RDX or the community version? |
| 08:17.20 | Shirik | you can call it the community version if you so desire |
| 08:17.33 | Shirik | though it's almost completely changed from veni's now |
| 08:17.44 | Shirik | veni quit, too, so I wonder where RDX6 is going |
| 08:17.51 | Kalman| | It's the one I'd call the community version, then. :) |
| 08:18.41 | leethal | ah, that one |
| 08:19.10 | Shirik | http://rdx.emoemu.com/wiki/index.php/Component_Windows |
| 08:19.22 | Shirik | not exactly the best pictures but bust I've got |
| 08:19.35 | Shirik | s/bust/best/ |
| 08:19.36 | leethal | Shirik: what is that website powered by? |
| 08:19.44 | Shirik | good question |
| 08:19.45 | leethal | the main website, that is |
| 08:19.49 | Shirik | Cid runs it |
| 08:19.51 | Shirik | I think it's drupal? |
| 08:19.56 | leethal | ah, ok |
| 08:20.56 | leethal | suggestion: add a video with an in-game example of what RDX.Cid looks like in action |
| 08:21.02 | leethal | I still don't get it =P |
| 08:21.05 | Shirik | I know |
| 08:21.07 | Shirik | the pictures are horrible |
| 08:21.13 | Shirik | here I'll take a picture for you |
| 08:21.21 | Shirik | in this instance |
| 08:21.25 | leethal | yay |
| 08:22.54 | Shirik | when I get a good picture... |
| 08:23.51 | leethal | woot.. I just joined a party. 5 seconds later, the RAID_ROSTER_UPDATE event fired |
| 08:23.55 | leethal | weird.. |
| 08:24.34 | leethal | oh, not weird |
| 08:24.38 | leethal | never mind *hides* |
| 08:24.44 | Shirik | ? |
| 08:25.01 | Shirik | ffs nobody's getting low on health |
| 08:25.26 | Kalman| | Obviously you need bigger pulls. |
| 08:25.28 | Bam__ | sit down, have a drink... see what happens :P |
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| 08:30.03 | Shirik | http://img72.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rdxsy2.png note the flashing blue for a magic debuff, would be flashing red if low health, flashing green for disease |
| 08:30.13 | Shirik | click casting, assists window, debuffs window is what I have open |
| 08:30.24 | Shirik | two click cast windows actually |
| 08:30.57 | Shirik | oh and the recorder's up there too |
| 08:31.06 | Shirik | but there's a lot more it does that you don't see there |
| 08:31.14 | Shirik | I would do well to record karazhan on friday, I think |
| 08:31.55 | leethal | hmm |
| 08:32.26 | leethal | so it's basically unit frames, with lots of neat functionality? |
| 08:32.33 | Shirik | that's only one module |
| 08:32.46 | Shirik | RDXM_Windows handles unit frames |
| 08:34.14 | Bam__ | oh it's a framework for making addons? |
| 08:34.33 | Shirik | I guess you could say that, though currently the only ones to have written modules for it are Cidan and myself :( |
| 08:34.45 | Shirik | I already linked you to another module: The battle recorder |
| 08:34.52 | Bam__ | ah |
| 08:34.55 | leethal | it's like Ace, but with good Lua? |
| 08:35.03 | Shirik | heh |
| 08:35.11 | leethal | or is it different? |
| 08:35.14 | Shirik | well I wouldn't really say it's a library |
| 08:35.16 | Kalman| | Less general. |
| 08:35.20 | leethal | ah, I see |
| 08:35.22 | Shirik | you could relate it to fubar |
| 08:35.36 | Bam__ | with good Lua? :D |
| 08:35.39 | Kalman| | I'd call it closer to CTRA. |
| 08:35.45 | leethal | ah, I see |
| 08:35.49 | Shirik | never actually used CTRA |
| 08:35.50 | norgs | A way of life? A philosophy on living? :p |
| 08:35.56 | Kalman| | Bossmods, raidframes. |
| 08:35.57 | leethal | so, it's a framework for making raid/combat addons? |
| 08:36.05 | Shirik | it does indeed have bossmods btw |
| 08:36.06 | Kalman| | That's where it started, anyway. |
| 08:36.13 | Shirik | it is indeed intended for raid centricity |
| 08:36.17 | Shirik | RDX = Raid Data Exchange |
| 08:36.32 | Shirik | one of the coolest parts I like is raid leaders can see time left on each warlock's soulstone, see how many potions people have, etc. |
| 08:36.36 | Shirik | check resistance |
| 08:36.37 | Bam__ | amazing so many things are going on in the addon community actually :P |
| 08:36.42 | Shirik | RDXM_Logistics |
| 08:36.57 | Kalman| | All of that is in CTRA too. ; ) |
| 08:37.08 | Kalman| | Well, oRA if you're sane. |
| 08:37.16 | Bam__ | but with 8 million users, perhaps it's natural :P |
| 08:37.23 | Shirik | well, RDX was written for one raid team at first :P |
| 08:37.33 | Kalman| | SoD, Eredar. |
| 08:37.36 | Shirik | aye |
| 08:37.40 | Shirik | I'm in TG, btw |
| 08:37.46 | Shirik | and it was actually SoD/TG together |
| 08:37.50 | Shirik | rambo |
| 08:37.53 | norgs | diversification breeds innovation which powers evolution |
| 08:38.06 | Bam__ | :O |
| 08:38.07 | Shirik | how do you know of this Kalman|? |
| 08:38.17 | Kalman| | alienangel, aka... Fafhrd? |
| 08:38.21 | Shirik | aaah |
| 08:38.26 | Kalman| | Elitist Jerks forums. |
| 08:38.50 | Kalman| | There was much discussion on it when Vene took it private/cash. |
| 08:38.56 | Shirik | oh yeah |
| 08:39.07 | Bam__ | what frameworks exist? Ace, Dongle, RDX, ... |
| 08:39.25 | Kalman| | The whole Cosmos/Sea/Sky frameworks are still kicking around. |
| 08:39.31 | Bam__ | oh yea |
| 08:39.50 | Bam__ | they were the first ones around, right? |
| 08:40.10 | Shirik | well |
| 08:40.11 | norgs | they were around before there was a round to be around |
| 08:40.19 | Bam__ | lol |
| 08:40.19 | Shirik | if you're going to call RDX a "framework" then you'd have to say Fubar and titan as well |
| 08:40.26 | Bam__ | during beta you mean? |
| 08:40.30 | Bam__ | or even before?? |
| 08:40.33 | norgs | during alpha even |
| 08:40.38 | Bam__ | ah |
| 08:40.51 | Bam__ | did Blizz have any direct influence on them? |
| 08:41.13 | norgs | i don't think so, blizzard provided the vacuum to grow in |
| 08:41.36 | Bam__ | yea I just figured perhaps they wanted to "kickstart" the community somehow |
| 08:42.18 | norgs | i only got here during beta, so i didn't see the big-bang per-se. |
| 08:42.45 | Bam__ | wasn't Thottbot once compiled Lua? |
| 08:43.03 | norgs | i did hear that |
| 08:43.35 | Bam__ | I believe it was... I wanted to look at the source code long ago... but no luck |
| 08:43.52 | norgs | it's merely obsfucated now |
| 08:44.05 | norgs | (which is different from being compiled) |
| 08:44.06 | Shirik | why... |
| 08:44.22 | Bam__ | ah maybe it was then too... I didn't know much about Lua at the time |
| 08:44.34 | norgs | the stated reason is purity of the data |
| 08:44.41 | Shirik | lol |
| 08:44.49 | Bam__ | to make it harder to submit phony data? |
| 08:45.01 | Shirik | RDX used to be obfuscated :P |
| 08:45.06 | Shirik | veni was cruel |
| 08:45.16 | Shirik | if it detected you tryed to de-obfuscated it |
| 08:45.22 | Shirik | it scrambled your SV files, etc. |
| 08:45.33 | Shirik | Cidan still managed to peel it out ^^; |
| 08:46.18 | Shirik | then veni released RDX5 for free and began on v6 |
| 08:46.23 | Shirik | from there the two split apart |
| 08:46.31 | Shirik | yey for history lessons :) |
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| 08:46.59 | Bam__ | it's been the reason I never really wanted to use the Thottbot addon... even though I wouldn't mind helping by submitting data |
| 08:47.02 | norgs | open-source FTW! |
| 08:47.08 | Bam__ | exactly |
| 08:47.17 | Shirik | our rdx is GPL :) |
| 08:47.18 | Bam__ | I felt it was against the entire "spirit" |
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| 08:47.32 | Shirik | cidan and I both a strong supporters of open source |
| 08:47.44 | Shirik | it just makes everything better |
| 08:48.08 | Shirik | it's open source >.> |
| 08:48.11 | Shirik | I just pasteyed it... |
| 08:48.18 | Bam__ | yea and if an addon does something bad, you can be pretty sure somebody will discover it by reading the code |
| 08:48.19 | norgs | hehe |
| 08:48.33 | norgs | hence why i'm plotting to steal it |
| 08:48.43 | Shirik | can you steal something that's free? |
| 08:49.05 | norgs | possibly not, but you can have fun plotting to do so... |
| 08:49.10 | Bam__ | no but you can choose to not obey the license I guess |
| 08:49.11 | leethal | imagine a closed source wow addon.. how would they do that? Is it possible? |
| 08:49.17 | leethal | compile to binaries or something? |
| 08:49.24 | Shirik | obfuscation is all you can do |
| 08:49.27 | Shirik | which is still technically open source |
| 08:49.31 | norgs | nope - you can't compile to binary nowadays |
| 08:49.32 | leethal | mm |
| 08:49.35 | Shirik | but impossible to read open source |
| 08:49.37 | Shirik | it's like this: |
| 08:49.38 | Kalman| | Think of it as confusing source. |
| 08:50.03 | Bam__ | some people make that even without knowing :D |
| 08:50.19 | Kalman| | <---- |
| 08:50.21 | Shirik | foo"lol\"whichone\\\"is\"bar\\\\\"theright\\"bar"call?\"\\\" |
| 08:50.26 | Shirik | there's two function calls there |
| 08:50.27 | Shirik | have fun |
| 08:50.38 | Bam__ | yay obfuscated Lua contest |
| 08:50.39 | leethal | =/ |
| 08:51.18 | leethal | not even my syntax highlighter gets that one =P |
| 08:51.32 | Shirik | actually there's an error in that one |
| 08:52.43 | Shirik | oops |
| 08:52.45 | Shirik | add a " at the end |
| 08:52.47 | Shirik | > foo,bar = print,print; foo"lol\"whichone\\\"is\"bar\\\\\"theright\\"bar"call?\"\\\"" |
| 08:52.47 | Shirik | lol"whichone\"is"bar\\"theright\ |
| 08:52.47 | Shirik | call?"\" |
| 08:54.10 | Bam__ | foo and bar are functions |
| 08:54.18 | Shirik | correct |
| 08:54.27 | Bam__ | the rest consist of two strings |
| 08:54.44 | krka|work | you could distribute the addon code in form of compiled lua |
| 08:54.44 | Shirik | it's valid code :) |
| 08:54.44 | Bam__ | first is argument to foo |
| 08:54.49 | Bam__ | second to bar |
| 08:55.12 | Bam__ | my syntax highlighter got it right hehe |
| 08:55.14 | krka|work | loadstring allows for lua byte code, right? |
| 08:55.18 | Bam__ | go TextMate :) |
| 08:55.24 | krka|work | i think FAIAP should get that right too |
| 08:55.28 | krka|work | anyone care to verify? |
| 08:55.46 | norgs | krka|work: will wow run compiled lua? |
| 08:56.12 | krka|work | the real question is: does loadstring work? |
| 08:56.23 | krka|work | and if so, have blizzard modified it to disallow bytecode? |
| 08:56.25 | norgs | never tried |
| 08:56.34 | krka|work | it worked in wow 1.5 atleast |
| 08:56.34 | Bam__ | loadstring works |
| 08:56.57 | Bam__ | no idea if they have modified it though |
| 08:57.00 | krka|work | you could make your addon code like this: loadstring(yourLuaBytecode) |
| 08:57.31 | Shirik | yeah |
| 08:57.36 | Shirik | loadstring(compiledcode)() |
| 08:57.37 | Bam__ | hmm... think loadstring accepts exactly the same as the contents of the file that luac produces? |
| 08:57.37 | Shirik | there |
| 08:57.45 | krka|work | Bam__, yes |
| 08:57.49 | Bam__ | ok |
| 08:58.06 | Bam__ | just figured there might be some extra info in the file that loadstring would not accept |
| 08:59.00 | Bam__ | hmm... what about using string.dump? |
| 08:59.08 | krka|work | what about it? |
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| 08:59.45 | Bam__ | that should produce a binary representation that loadstring can use |
| 09:00.02 | krka|work | right |
| 09:00.10 | Bam__ | but that's perhaps basically what luac does? |
| 09:00.15 | krka|work | i think so |
| 09:03.07 | leethal | Shirik: about party/raid status - this one seems to work http://wowi.pastey.net/32741 |
| 09:03.23 | leethal | Shirik: but as always, I guess you have some über idea on how to improve it \o/ |
| 09:03.46 | Shirik | yeah |
| 09:04.00 | Shirik | RDX.SigRaidRosterUpdate:Connect() instead of self:RegisterEvent ^^ |
| 09:04.08 | leethal | hah |
| 09:04.29 | leethal | perhaps I'll go RDX, it seems useful |
| 09:04.33 | Shirik | anyway yeah still healing |
| 09:04.36 | Shirik | I'll look at it in a sec |
| 09:04.42 | leethal | yay |
| 09:04.46 | Bam__ | oh they lose health now? :P |
| 09:04.51 | Shirik | psh, don't let me persuade you |
| 09:04.53 | Shirik | I'm obviously biased |
| 09:06.18 | leethal | Shirik: updated - http://wowi.pastey.net/32744 |
| 09:07.13 | leethal | that self:Print() on 28 was for debugging btw |
| 09:07.58 | krka|work | ooh... RDX - the non open source one |
| 09:08.09 | krka|work | how does blizz feel about that? |
| 09:08.25 | Bam__ | no Shirik just said it was GPL'd |
| 09:08.37 | Shirik | mine is GPL |
| 09:08.38 | Kalman| | There's two different RDXes. |
| 09:08.43 | Shirik | right |
| 09:08.57 | krka|work | two different projects with the same name? |
| 09:08.59 | Kalman| | A GPL one, and a closed-source pay for me one. |
| 09:09.00 | krka|work | sounds confusing |
| 09:09.04 | Shirik | yeah, because it was essentially a split |
| 09:09.09 | Kalman| | AKA "the good one" and "the bad one". |
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| 09:09.16 | Shirik | which one am I? |
| 09:09.18 | krka|work | the original allowed a GPL fork? |
| 09:09.25 | Bam__ | where is the "ugly one" then? :D |
| 09:09.32 | Kalman| | I'll write it some day. |
| 09:09.33 | Shirik | yes |
| 09:09.37 | Bam__ | hehe |
| 09:09.39 | Shirik | because the original was public |
| 09:09.42 | Shirik | no license |
| 09:09.49 | Shirik | then in v6 it became closed source |
| 09:09.57 | Shirik | ours is based on RDX 5 |
| 09:10.18 | Bam__ | hmm... are they having any luck making money on it? |
| 09:10.28 | Shirik | supposedly |
| 09:10.33 | JunkHead-Work | I guess RDX 5 does not work on it's own anymore? |
| 09:10.40 | Shirik | not even close |
| 09:10.44 | JunkHead-Work | Oh ok |
| 09:10.48 | Bleeter | Anyone heard of an AH bug where one's outbid but your bid cash isn't returned? Not an Auctioneer issue, is someone on my realm stating this is happening |
| 09:10.50 | Shirik | we've practically rewritten it from the ground up |
| 09:11.07 | JunkHead-Work | I had never heard of it until about a month ago maybe. |
| 09:11.10 | leethal | Shirik: my addon alerts when stuff happens. You configure it to e.g. alert you when mage polymorph gets resisted, when priest shackle gets resisted, when someone gets DI'ed, when a tank enables last stand and so on |
| 09:11.13 | Bam__ | who would pay for it? I can't imagine it.... |
| 09:11.16 | leethal | Shirik: would that rock as a RDX module? |
| 09:11.19 | JunkHead-Work | RDX5 RDX6, and RDX.cid are all new to me. |
| 09:11.50 | Shirik | blast you! |
| 09:11.51 | Shirik | I died! |
| 09:11.52 | leethal | when a -warrior- enables last stand (sorry, pala and drood tanks) |
| 09:11.54 | leethal | haha |
| 09:11.55 | krka|work | yeah, i can't imagine people playing wow ever paying to play a game |
| 09:11.58 | Bam__ | ohhh sorryyyy |
| 09:12.06 | krka|work | especially not in subscription form |
| 09:12.18 | Shirik | spirit of redemption totally saved the day there |
| 09:12.29 | JunkHead-Work | If it was 10 bucks, one time fee, I could see people paying maybe. |
| 09:12.33 | Bam__ | well I dont see the correlation between the two |
| 09:12.51 | Shirik | RDX6 is monthly fee iirc |
| 09:13.04 | JunkHead-Work | Something like that yeah. |
| 09:13.32 | JunkHead-Work | Question, is there a mod that will show me if someone else is healing a target? |
| 09:13.55 | Kalman| | Grid has an inc-heal indicator on its frames; I'm sure other raidframes have indicators. |
| 09:14.09 | JunkHead-Work | Hmm, I use X-Perl, and I'm a paladin. |
| 09:14.23 | JunkHead-Work | Kinda sucks having someone else's heal got off a split second before mine.:\ |
| 09:14.37 | Kalman| | You're a paladin. |
| 09:14.44 | Kalman| | You're the one supposed to be sniping heals! |
| 09:14.53 | Shirik | rofl |
| 09:15.06 | JunkHead-Work | 2 paladins healing.:P |
| 09:15.06 | Kalman| | Shirik knows. |
| 09:15.15 | Shirik | it's true |
| 09:15.21 | JunkHead-Work | You're right it is true. |
| 09:15.29 | JunkHead-Work | But with 2 Pallies healing... yeah. |
| 09:15.30 | Shirik | priests are all like waiting for the perfect time for a full rank greater heal |
| 09:15.31 | Kalman| | Healhealheal... fucking Janorn, stop healing my person before I can! |
| 09:15.35 | Shirik | and then all of a sudden at the last second |
| 09:15.39 | Shirik | ooh lookie flash of light |
| 09:15.42 | Shirik | OVERHEAL 4987503948756093486 |
| 09:15.59 | JunkHead-Work | Ah, X-perl might already have the option somewhere. |
| 09:16.57 | JunkHead-Work | Red and Green combat flashes for frames when player, pet, target, party, partypets, raid take damage/heals. Useful indication of things happening. |
| 09:17.13 | Shirik | leethal: sure |
| 09:17.18 | JunkHead-Work | Think this means the frames flashes on incoming heals, or when the person is healed? |
| 09:17.26 | Kalman| | When they're healed. |
| 09:17.36 | Shirik | in fact, you can use RDX.Alert.CenterPopup to inform of it too :) |
| 09:17.36 | JunkHead-Work | Ok. |
| 09:17.55 | JunkHead-Work | XPerl_RaidMonitor sub-addon (WORK IN PROGRESS) |
| 09:17.55 | JunkHead-Work | Casting Monitor |
| 09:17.57 | Shirik | which will also RW it if RDXU.spam is set |
| 09:18.01 | JunkHead-Work | This might be what I want though. |
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| 09:18.05 | Shirik | (an option for the user) |
| 09:18.28 | JunkHead-Work | Shows selected classes (defaults to healer classes) in a list (much like the MT List), but with some differences. |
| 09:18.28 | JunkHead-Work | Shows mana bars and cast bars on left. Their targets on right. Health bar as normal, but a secondary small red bar on targets |
| 09:18.51 | Shirik | RDXM_Alerts :P |
| 09:18.59 | Shirik | er |
| 09:19.01 | Shirik | RDXM_Assists |
| 09:20.06 | Shirik | sorry, I've done enough self promoting today, I'll shut up >< |
| 09:22.52 | leethal | hmm |
| 09:23.07 | leethal | I don't want to clutter the neat RDXM stuff with my silly code though =P |
| 09:23.18 | Shirik | haha |
| 09:23.27 | leethal | it's probably going to be worse than the first versions of CTRA when it comes to performance and memory usage and all that |
| 09:23.43 | Shirik | seriously, if you did want to do it, there would be only about three differences |
| 09:24.00 | Shirik | VFLEvent:NamedBind() instead of self:RegisterEvent() |
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| 09:24.42 | Shirik | a RegisterVFLModule() at the top |
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| 09:24.57 | Shirik | and use some form of RDX.Alert to alert the user/party/raid |
| 09:24.59 | Shirik | that's about it |
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| 09:25.09 | Shirik | is it enough to warrant its use? Probably not |
| 09:25.13 | Shirik | especially with the work you've done already |
| 09:25.23 | leethal | I'm remaking it from scratch now anyway |
| 09:25.44 | leethal | when I make stuff, I learn sooooo much in the process of making it than when I'm done, i go "wtf this is ugly *remake*" |
| 09:25.45 | Shirik | And I'm not going to deny it, the RDX API isn't easy to use... at all. |
| 09:25.53 | leethal | =/ |
| 09:25.59 | Shirik | sorry :( |
| 09:26.10 | Shirik | powerful, but not easy |
| 09:26.58 | Shirik | here I'll pastey the Karazhan bossmod that I've been poking for a while now, it shows various niceties like RDX.Alert.Dropdown() and scheduling |
| 09:27.38 | Shirik | P.S. DON'T KILL ME I'm using a global arg1 I'm sorrry!!!!!!! |
| 09:27.47 | Shirik | I'm working on fixing those |
| 09:27.52 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 09:28.02 | Shirik | qq |
| 09:28.08 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/32758 |
| 09:28.15 | Kalman| | Nev, thanks for HotCandy; using it as the basis for a DoT monitoring addon. |
| 09:29.42 | Shirik | HOT trackers are my favorite tool |
| 09:29.48 | Shirik | High Order Tracking |
| 09:30.04 | nevcairiel | its HoT not HOT |
| 09:30.05 | nevcairiel | :p |
| 09:30.06 | Shirik | You know how you can't reference a hostile unit by its name, you always have to go through something like raid1targettarget |
| 09:30.09 | Shirik | no, HOT |
| 09:30.14 | Shirik | not heal over time :P |
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| 09:31.10 | Shirik | HOT tracker allows you to reference a hostile unit by its name, and always have a way to get to it. It keeps an eye on it, and let's say Attumen is raid1target. If raid1 changes his target, the HOT tracker will go ahead and update Attumen to be something new, if possible, like raid3target |
| 09:31.23 | Shirik | it's like god |
| 09:31.29 | Shirik | for woW |
| 09:31.40 | nevcairiel | its not really magic |
| 09:31.44 | Shirik | not really |
| 09:31.45 | Shirik | but I like it :)P |
| 09:31.49 | JunkHead-Work | I'm magic. |
| 09:31.50 | nevcairiel | bigwigs uses that logic in some bossmods |
| 09:31.52 | JunkHead-Work | :D |
| 09:32.04 | Shirik | it alleviates the load required by scanning through people all the time |
| 09:32.05 | nevcairiel | very simple tho, just checking target/focus, and raidXtarget |
| 09:32.08 | Shirik | yup |
| 09:33.11 | nevcairiel | just wondering .. raid1focus prolly wont exist, or? |
| 09:33.19 | Shirik | I don't think you can do that |
| 09:33.20 | Shirik | dunno |
| 09:33.46 | Shirik | [string "UnitExists("playerfocus")"]:1: Unknown unit token: playerfocus |
| 09:33.51 | Shirik | I would assume the same thing happens to raids |
| 09:33.55 | nevcairiel | yea |
| 09:34.42 | Shirik | just tried raid1focus, which throws an error. Both raid1 and raid1target return false |
| 09:34.51 | Shirik | so assuming that doesn't exist |
| 09:35.14 | Legorol | "focus" is not appendable, just like "raid1player" doesn't make sense |
| 09:35.27 | Legorol | the only things that are appendable are target and pet |
| 09:35.57 | Legorol | although target and focus may seem like similar notions, there is an essential difference between the two: |
| 09:36.33 | Legorol | your current "target" is something that is in the game world, who your target is affects your spells/abilities and what they can do etc. |
| 09:36.38 | Legorol | so it's essentially an in-game thing |
| 09:36.39 | leethal | say a mage in your group casts polymorph, but the mob resists.. would that fire CHAT_MSG_SPELL_FRIENDLYPLAYER_DAMAGE? |
| 09:37.00 | Legorol | whereas "focus" is just a label you have, on your end, attched to a particular unit, but who the focus is has no bearing on the game world |
| 09:37.32 | nevcairiel | it wouldnt be too far fetched if that labels could be accessed by others tho |
| 09:37.36 | nevcairiel | imho |
| 09:38.03 | leethal | CHAT_MSG_SPELL_PARTY_BUFF perhaps |
| 09:38.50 | Legorol | nevcairiel: it's quite possible that who your focus is isn't even sent to the server |
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| 09:41.19 | Bam__ | I remember something about a "trick" where using "target" and "playertarget" gave slightly different behaviour |
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| 09:56.54 | Bam__ | is there a way to iterate over attributes of a secure frame? |
| 09:57.05 | Bam__ | or a way to clear them all |
| 09:58.50 | leethal | is CHAT_MSG_SPELL_PARTY_DAMAGE party, as it says, or does it include raid too? |
| 09:59.01 | Shirik | party only |
| 09:59.45 | leethal | so, to get the raid you'll need CHAT_MSG_SPELL_FRIENDLYPLAYER_DAMAGE? |
| 09:59.48 | Shirik | yes |
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| 10:17.02 | leethal | this one rocks http://www.draac.com/ascii.html |
| 10:17.24 | leethal | I use it to create "headlines" in code comments, to divide it in sections |
| 10:18.33 | foxlit | Hah. |
| 10:18.34 | Bam__ | nice one :P |
| 10:18.41 | foxlit | I just don't comment anything other than headlines |
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| 10:34.09 | Shirik | so I just went to get food and I must have seen just about every cop and ambulance out there with their sirens on :/ |
| 10:34.12 | Shirik | wonder what's going on |
| 10:34.34 | JunkHead-Work | Don't look at me. |
| 10:34.42 | JunkHead-Work | I didn't send them there. |
| 10:35.21 | Shirik | heh |
| 10:35.40 | Shirik | there's nothing on the local news sites :/ |
| 10:36.07 | Shirik | !! |
| 10:36.13 | Shirik | Bob Barker's retiring?! |
| 10:36.22 | JunkHead-Work | No shit sherlock. |
| 10:36.27 | JunkHead-Work | You just find out? |
| 10:36.32 | Shirik | I don't watch the news :( |
| 10:36.40 | JunkHead-Work | niether do I but somehow I knew that. |
| 10:36.46 | Shirik | :/ |
| 10:37.02 | JunkHead-Work | What I want to know is, (again since I don't follow the news) |
| 10:37.07 | JunkHead-Work | what about price is right? |
| 10:37.16 | JunkHead-Work | You can't just bring in someone to replace bob barker. |
| 10:38.34 | Shirik | "The show, as the saying goes, will go on -- with a yet-to-be-selected host." |
| 10:38.47 | JunkHead-Work | Hmm... |
| 10:38.58 | JunkHead-Work | It'll have to be someone good. |
| 10:39.28 | Shirik | yup |
| 10:39.59 | JunkHead-Work | because I don't know about you, but when someone says "bob barker" i think of only one thing, price is right. |
| 10:40.02 | JunkHead-Work | And vice versa. |
| 10:41.21 | Shirik | this is awesome! |
| 10:41.30 | Shirik | So, my school uses a web-based mail, right? |
| 10:41.38 | Shirik | Every time I type a character, firebug marks an error |
| 10:41.45 | Shirik | so firebug can count the number of characters I type :D |
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| 10:56.14 | leethal | is there a way to totally remove a variable from the memory? E.g, when I join a raid, I have a table with a overview of the raid members. When I leave the raid, the variable is totally removed from memory. Not just set to nil, totally removed. |
| 10:56.33 | leethal | I guess I can just as well set it to nil, but it feels better getting rid of it completely =P |
| 10:56.38 | Shirik | not...really |
| 10:56.41 | Shirik | what kind of variable? |
| 10:56.50 | Shirik | if it's a table, setting it to nil will mark it for GC |
| 10:56.58 | leethal | ah, I see |
| 10:57.13 | Shirik | assuming there are no other non-weak references to it |
| 10:57.15 | leethal | I just read about that, it's run every once in a while? I don't have to run GC myself? |
| 10:57.19 | Shirik | no |
| 10:57.21 | Shirik | it will run itself |
| 10:57.25 | Kaso | if you really care you can force a GC at that moment but usually its best to leave automatic |
| 10:57.32 | leethal | I see |
| 10:57.44 | Shirik | if you run a GC it will not be incremental |
| 10:57.50 | Shirik | potentially resulting in a temporary lockup of the UI |
| 10:57.53 | Shirik | the automatic GC is incremental |
| 10:58.46 | leethal | one more thing - is it a GetRaidRosterInfo() equivalent for party? |
| 10:59.21 | leethal | GetRaidRosterInfo returns information about the player of raid index foo |
| 10:59.33 | leethal | like player name, class etc |
| 11:04.50 | Kaso | cI think you'd have to use UnitX functions for party memebers, maybe |
| 11:08.04 | leethal | I see |
| 11:08.33 | leethal | ah, ofc.. you have party1, party2 and friends |
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| 11:22.00 | a-stray-cat | any paladins on the pvp test server on want to help me test a mod? :X |
| 11:33.07 | clad|work | i think there's a new API for GRRI that covers parties in 2.1 |
| 11:33.08 | clad|work | i'd have to look |
| 11:36.31 | leethal | clad|work: GRRI? =/ |
| 11:36.43 | clad|work | getraidrosterinfo |
| 11:37.00 | clad|work | i.e. check the unified template and see what's new :P |
| 11:37.13 | krka|work | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:37.29 | Shirik | not that bad |
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| 11:37.35 | Shirik | just need to think about it a little |
| 11:37.44 | krka|work | i dont have any lua call frames yet |
| 11:37.46 | clad|work | no |
| 11:37.46 | krka|work | need to add that |
| 11:37.48 | clad|work | you don't undestand |
| 11:37.51 | clad|work | he's implementing a lua vm |
| 11:37.56 | Shirik | oooooh |
| 11:37.58 | Shirik | yeah |
| 11:38.00 | clad|work | he said implementing coroutines |
| 11:38.01 | Shirik | that could suck |
| 11:38.05 | clad|work | not using coroutines :P |
| 11:38.09 | krka|work | and i need to keep track of which call frame came from "outside" |
| 11:38.12 | Shirik | yeah |
| 11:38.17 | krka|work | to check if i can yield or not |
| 11:38.28 | Shirik | meh |
| 11:38.33 | Shirik | just let them yield past the C boundary |
| 11:38.35 | Shirik | who cares ^^ |
| 11:38.38 | Shirik | so the program crashes |
| 11:38.41 | Shirik | programmer deserves it |
| 11:38.42 | Shirik | :P |
| 11:38.42 | krka|work | right |
| 11:38.54 | Shirik | l2coroutine |
| 11:38.56 | krka|work | probably wont crash |
| 11:39.00 | krka|work | just behave very oddly |
| 11:39.13 | krka|work | functions returning to the wrong place and stuff like that |
| 11:39.18 | Shirik | I guess depending on how you implement it |
| 11:39.21 | Shirik | it could just be a return |
| 11:39.34 | Shirik | though... the stack could go crazy if there were any parameters pushed... |
| 11:39.40 | Shirik | and that's probably where the crash would come in |
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| 11:44.05 | krka|work | i need to extract a LuaThread object from my current LuaState and let each LuaState have a main LuaThread. the thread would include the stack and call frames |
| 11:45.33 | krka|work | i'll need to tweak a lot in calling / returning |
| 11:45.58 | krka|work | need to check if the particular call frame was from java or from lua et.c. |
| 11:46.33 | Shirik | ah doing this in java? |
| 11:47.27 | krka|work | yeah |
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| 11:47.34 | krka|work | no point in doing it in C :) |
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| 11:56.53 | Shirik | yeah I figured :P |
| 11:56.56 | Shirik | well there is some point to it |
| 11:56.58 | Shirik | just to do it |
| 11:57.06 | Shirik | prove to yourself that you can, a learning experience, etc. |
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| 12:00.28 | krka|work | i usually give up as soon as i know that i theory know everything i need to know to finish it :) |
| 12:01.00 | Shirik | soooo |
| 12:01.09 | Shirik | my roommate uses his cell phone as an alarm clock, right? |
| 12:01.18 | Shirik | well it just went off, and he spent the last 5 minutes trying to answer it >.> |
| 12:01.22 | Shirik | "hello, hello?" |
| 12:02.38 | Shirik | what about |
| 12:02.48 | Shirik | using threads to handle coroutines? |
| 12:02.54 | Josh_Borke | morning |
| 12:03.09 | Shirik | you can create a new thread then do a Thread.currentThread().wait() |
| 12:03.18 | Shirik | then after the coroutine yields, do a notify()( |
| 12:03.41 | Shirik | I probably just don't know enough about your implementation to give you good advice |
| 12:03.44 | Shirik | but just a thought |
| 12:16.23 | krka|work | Shirik, i considered using java threads in exactly that way, and it does overcome the yield-limitations |
| 12:16.44 | krka|work | but since you probably want to have several coroutines, threads seems to be quite a bit heavyweight |
| 12:16.55 | Shirik | you're using java |
| 12:16.58 | Shirik | everything's heavyweight |
| 12:17.01 | Shirik | ^^ |
| 12:17.18 | krka|work | i dont fully agree but i see your point |
| 12:17.27 | Shirik | it was mostly a joke :) |
| 12:17.41 | Shirik | I use java myself, I just tend to dislike it |
| 12:18.11 | Shirik | but, as I say many times, this is coming from someone whom has most of his experience working with microcontrollers, not microprocessors, so my views on memory and performance are different from others :) |
| 12:19.55 | krka|work | java is definitely a bit memory intensive in most cases |
| 12:20.53 | Kalman| | For microcontrollers, Java would be considered memory intensive in all cases. |
| 12:29.42 | leethal | can you pass multiple tables to pairs()? E.g. for _, foo in pairs(table1, table2, table3) do ... end |
| 12:30.35 | leethal | I'm not getting any errors when I'm doing it, but I'm not sure if it just ignores the parameters after the first, or if it actually loops through it |
| 12:31.05 | Shirik | Kalman|: The board I work with has 4000 bytes of memory |
| 12:31.07 | Shirik | that's in he |
| 12:31.11 | Shirik | hex* |
| 12:31.20 | Shirik | so yeah, java not exactly gonna fit :P |
| 12:31.45 | leethal | actually, I'll figure that out myself =P should be easy |
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| 12:32.56 | Shirik | > z = ""; a = {1,2,3}; for k,v in pairs(a,a,a) do z = z..v; end print(z) |
| 12:32.56 | Shirik | 123 |
| 12:33.16 | Shirik | you will never get an error in lua for an incorrect number of parameters |
| 12:33.48 | Kalman| | Heh. We worked with tons of memory; I think our processor had 64k RAM and a 128kb flash. |
| 12:34.17 | Shirik | oh god, I wish |
| 12:34.31 | krka|work | you could probably make a custom iterator for multiple tables |
| 12:34.34 | Shirik | the amount of work I put in just trying to compress things |
| 12:34.42 | Kalman| | We were working to cut to a 32k/64k package when the project got canceled. |
| 12:34.59 | Shirik | moving subroutines in different places so I can use a relative branch instead of a long branch, etc. |
| 12:35.06 | Shirik | fun stuff |
| 12:35.26 | krka|work | not entirely true Shirik - the standard library checks number of parameters |
| 12:35.36 | Shirik | ok but |
| 12:35.40 | krka|work | error() doesn't even error :P |
| 12:35.45 | krka|work | and tostring() errors |
| 12:35.46 | Shirik | you won't actually get like a syntax error |
| 12:35.54 | Kalman| | I just did high level control algorithms, and then sent them to Russia to be coded by our software developers. |
| 12:36.02 | krka|work | not syntax errors in other languages either |
| 12:36.12 | Shirik | in C or Java it is :P |
| 12:36.13 | krka|work | but compiletime instead of runtime |
| 12:36.27 | krka|work | not a syntax error though |
| 12:36.47 | krka|work | syntax errors are when the compiler sees unexpected tokens |
| 12:36.54 | Shirik | imo, there are only two kinds of errors: syntax errors and logic errors. But that's me |
| 12:36.59 | Shirik | Guess it depends on how you define it |
| 12:37.42 | krka|work | In computer science a syntax error refers to an error in the syntax of a sequence of characters or tokens that is intended to be written in a particular programming language. |
| 12:37.53 | Shirik | in any case, the error doesn't come from the actual call in Lua, but from within the function |
| 12:38.04 | krka|work | right |
| 12:38.44 | Shirik | I still disagree with that definition, which btw you found on wikipedia :P |
| 12:38.52 | krka|work | correct you are |
| 12:39.10 | krka|work | i think you're confusing syntax and semantics |
| 12:39.28 | Shirik | This is how I was taught years ago, so I know, at the very least, I'm not the only one who thinks this way :P |
| 12:39.37 | Shirik | I'm one of at least two people |
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| 12:39.49 | krka|work | syntax errors occur when the code doesn't follow the grammar |
| 12:39.52 | Kalman| | Unless the other one died in the interim. ;) |
| 12:39.58 | Shirik | :( |
| 12:40.14 | krka|work | semantic errors are when the compiler has an AST and looks for other flaws |
| 12:40.20 | krka|work | such as calls to missing methods, et.c. |
| 12:40.47 | Shirik | ok so |
| 12:40.56 | Shirik | in my application, there's essentially a "restart" button |
| 12:41.06 | Shirik | if you spam it (like click it 10 times in a second) it enters a deadlock |
| 12:41.11 | Shirik | is this worth fixing :/ |
| 12:41.29 | Kalman| | Who're the intended users? |
| 12:41.40 | Shirik | hopefully people that wouldn't spam the button :D |
| 12:41.41 | Kalman| | And how catastrophic is a deadlock? |
| 12:41.41 | Shirik | um |
| 12:41.51 | Shirik | this is not a mission critical system |
| 12:41.58 | Shirik | a deadlock means you restart the program, big deal |
| 12:42.06 | Kalman| | I wouldn't bother. |
| 12:42.10 | Kalman| | But I'm lazy. |
| 12:42.21 | Shirik | Well, I've been poking it for two days now |
| 12:42.29 | Shirik | I've added checks and alleviated the problem, but it's still there |
| 12:42.32 | krka|work | wait... so the solution to getting a deadlock from mashing the restart button is to hit the restart button again? |
| 12:42.36 | Shirik | nono |
| 12:42.40 | Shirik | to kill the program and restart it |
| 12:42.40 | Josh_Borke | yesyes |
| 12:42.48 | Shirik | like launch it again |
| 12:43.09 | Shirik | And I know why the problem occurs |
| 12:43.11 | krka|work | by deadlock you mean two processes waiting for eachother to finish? |
| 12:43.14 | Shirik | but I can't think of a good way to fix it -_- |
| 12:43.18 | Shirik | yes |
| 12:43.28 | krka|work | l2mutex |
| 12:43.57 | Gnarfoz | sylvanaar: http://ace.pastey.net/32917 o_O |
| 12:43.58 | Shirik | I have a semaphore that indicates that the program is in a restarting state and shouldn't attempt to run another restart |
| 12:44.08 | Shirik | but I think it's not being set fast enough or something |
| 12:44.25 | krka|work | is the semaphore really atomic then? |
| 12:45.36 | Shirik | hm, what do you mean? |
| 12:46.15 | krka|work | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_operation |
| 12:47.44 | Shirik | Yeah, I know what an atomic operation is, but... not sure what you mean by an atomic semaphore.... |
| 12:49.10 | Shirik | in any case, I'm leaving this for now >< |
| 12:49.11 | krka|work | i mean is the semaphore operations implemented atomically |
| 12:49.16 | Shirik | I'll come back to it later if it really becomes a problem >.> |
| 12:50.18 | Shirik | I'm a moron |
| 12:50.21 | Shirik | I know what I can do to fix this |
| 12:50.52 | Shirik | disable the button while in a restarting state -_- |
| 12:51.01 | Shirik | the simple solution is usually the best |
| 12:51.21 | krka|work | what if someone hits the button before you disable it? |
| 12:51.27 | krka|work | in either case you need a semaphore |
| 12:52.24 | Shirik | Man |
| 12:52.30 | Shirik | why can't the world just be like star trek |
| 12:52.36 | Shirik | you tell the computer what you want it to do and it does it |
| 12:53.08 | krka|work | that's how it works today |
| 12:53.15 | krka|work | you just suck at telling it what you actually mean |
| 12:53.59 | Shirik | omfg |
| 12:54.01 | Shirik | I just fixed it |
| 12:54.17 | Shirik | I missed one "synchronized" |
| 12:54.20 | Shirik | just one. |
| 12:54.21 | Shirik | one. |
| 12:54.43 | Shirik | And yeah I suck at telling you what I mean :/ |
| 12:54.44 | Shirik | sorry |
| 12:54.59 | Josh_Borke | purl, hug krka|work |
| 12:55.24 | purl | ACTION hugs krka|work tightly until krka|work turns slightly blue |
| 12:55.24 | krka|work | O_o |
| 12:55.24 | krka|work | why'd you say that? |
| 12:55.31 | Josh_Borke | can't we all just get along? |
| 12:55.40 | Shirik | he wants you |
| 12:55.53 | krka|work | i always get along |
| 12:56.02 | krka|work | it's just the rest of the people that don't get along |
| 12:58.56 | Shirik | :( |
| 12:58.58 | Shirik | sorry krka|work |
| 12:59.37 | Shirik | p.s. I didn't actually fix the problem but I'm ok with that! |
| 12:59.42 | Shirik | It doesn't lock up for now at least |
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| 16:11.01 | cogwheel|work | http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/security_britain_internet_dc;_ylt=AszIY5m_8gyrEPggaWSqKdgjtBAF |
| 16:11.27 | Jimdinventor | At least the judge has the courage to admit when he's baffled. *shrug* |
| 16:11.34 | Aella | It's true. |
| 16:11.44 | cogwheel|work | yep |
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| 16:14.03 | Jimdinventor | Who knows WoWWiki-editing, and would be amused to troubleshoot something that has me "baffled"? |
| 16:14.13 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+v Kaelten] by ChanServ |
| 16:14.20 | Aella | Only "baffled", not baffled? |
| 16:15.01 | Jimdinventor | I liked the word, and feel it deserves the note that quotations lend it. :-) |
| 16:15.15 | Aella | Ah, of course. =P |
| 16:15.25 | Aella | What's the problem, may I ask? |
| 16:16.08 | Jimdinventor | You may, and did. The problem is, as I go through the process of editing this admittedly long page before me, random templates cease to work. |
| 16:16.13 | sylvanaar | Kaelten of course knows, but - there is a help file, and if i can do it so can you |
| 16:16.36 | Kaelten | hrm what do I know? |
| 16:16.45 | sylvanaar | wiki |
| 16:16.58 | Jimdinventor | I'll show you rather than tell you. A picture is worth something, they say. Dunno if you'll see the same page I do, however.. http://www.wowwiki.com/List_of_faction_recipes#Tailoring |
| 16:17.10 | Kaelten | oh, I know some of it. :) there is a help file built into each install of mediawiki |
| 16:17.30 | Jimdinventor | notice that down by "Zandalar Tribe", the Cost template breaks, such that it just says "Cost" in one column |
| 16:17.52 | Jimdinventor | however, if you edit this section and preview it, there is no such breakage. It's inconsistnet and *ahem* "baffling" |
| 16:17.55 | sylvanaar | I know- there is a channel |
| 16:17.59 | sylvanaar | just for this |
| 16:18.23 | sylvanaar | #wowwiki |
| 16:18.30 | Jimdinventor | Mm-kay. Guess I'll go there then. |
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| 16:19.19 | Jimdinventor | Ciao for now. :-) |
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| 16:20.59 | cogwheel|work | Why are they even writing articles like http://apcmag.com/6121/windows_server_gets_vista_version_itis ? I mean, vista's only been out for 4 months... How long do they really think it's going to be before MS finally comes out with a new OS? |
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| 16:23.37 | Kaydeethree | meh |
| 16:23.53 | Kaydeethree | it's not like any microsoft os is stable until the first service pack |
| 16:24.35 | TC-Working | wasnt it about 4 years between XP and vista? |
| 16:24.48 | cogwheel|work | try 6 |
| 16:25.07 | TC-Working | i tried it, but 6 wasnt working out for me |
| 16:25.38 | cogwheel|work | Actually, except for one driver issue which has since been fixed and an incompatible DVD burner, I haven't had any problems with 64-bit Vista |
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| 16:26.20 | TC-Working | i have had issues with vista, but they are not standard issues....yet |
| 16:26.33 | Kaydeethree | http://discovermagazine.com/2007/brain/i-chat-therefore-i-am/article_print |
| 16:26.45 | Kaydeethree | interesting what happens when you hook two chat bots up to each other |
| 16:26.54 | TC-Working | for example, installing Cisco's VPN software under anything other than administartor is not recomened |
| 16:26.54 | Kaydeethree | wonder if would could hack something to work for the UI board |
| 16:27.08 | cogwheel|work | TC-Working: that's cisco's fault |
| 16:27.09 | TC-Working | recomended* |
| 16:27.12 | TC-Working | nope |
| 16:27.27 | TC-Working | i have been having issues with servies not having admin access to run |
| 16:27.35 | Shirik|Ecole | wow |
| 16:27.40 | Shirik|Ecole | Kaydeethree that's pretty cool |
| 16:27.42 | TC-Working | VNC's service as well |
| 16:28.11 | cogwheel|work | well, you did say "installing" not "using" :P |
| 16:28.42 | TC-Working | cant use it w/o installing it |
| 16:29.09 | cogwheel|work | couldn't the administrator install it and then users use it? that seems logical to me... |
| 16:29.09 | TC-Working | and cog....stop being an ass like me |
| 16:29.15 | cogwheel|work | no thanks... |
| 16:29.27 | Shirik|Ecole | lol |
| 16:29.42 | TC-Working | yes, that works, but i mean is that it has to be installed under the admin account, not just a user with admin privilages |
| 16:30.00 | cogwheel|work | again, sounds like bad programming on cisco's part... |
| 16:30.13 | Shirik|Ecole | I'm actually impressed Alice can detect circular reasoning |
| 16:30.39 | TC-Working | it isnt an issue in XP |
| 16:30.51 | Kaydeethree | they've been around for HOW long now? the ai's getting pretty good |
| 16:30.55 | cogwheel|work | vista ~= XP :P |
| 16:31.23 | Shirik|Ecole | still that's pretty far up there |
| 16:31.35 | TC-Working | exactly, then i would say it's a vista issue, not an individual programing issue |
| 16:32.30 | cogwheel|work | vista isn't designed to be 100% backwards compatible though... It's cisco's responsibility to update their software. You always have the option of not using vista... |
| 16:32.47 | Shirik|Ecole | omg... |
| 16:32.57 | Shirik|Ecole | A: : -) I don’t have any reason to deceive you. |
| 16:32.57 | Shirik|Ecole | J: Yes, you do, you’re a woman. |
| 16:32.59 | Shirik|Ecole | that's insane |
| 16:33.03 | TC-Working | best line ""A: : -) I don’t have any reason to deceive you. |
| 16:33.03 | TC-Working | J: Yes, you do, you’re a woman. |
| 16:33.04 | Shirik|Ecole | thanks for this link :) |
| 16:33.06 | Shirik|Ecole | haha |
| 16:33.17 | Shirik|Ecole | I win TC-Working |
| 16:33.17 | TC-Working | lol shins |
| 16:33.21 | TC-Working | damn tab |
| 16:33.22 | Kaydeethree | hah |
| 16:33.39 | TC-Working | GG Shirik|AFK, you win |
| 16:33.50 | Shirik|Ecole | :D |
| 16:34.22 | TC-Working | question of the day though, was "J" programed by a man or woman? |
| 16:35.04 | TC-Working | cogwheel|work, i'm not sure cisco can get around that restriction |
| 16:35.15 | __Aella | "J" reuses responses that users have typed to it. |
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| 16:37.08 | TC-Working | ah |
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| 16:40.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | <TC-Working> best line ""A: : -) I don’t have any reason to deceive you. |
| 16:40.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | yes. i laughed |
| 16:40.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | i like this bot :P |
| 16:40.49 | TC-Working | purl, be like them |
| 16:41.12 | Aella | I liked: J: Do you think you’re alive? A: Yes, I am sure I am alive. It’s great to be alive, isn’t it? J: No. |
| 16:41.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | emobot |
| 16:41.36 | Aella | S'true. |
| 16:42.25 | Shirik|Ecole | purl, are you alive? |
| 16:42.27 | purl | The dead cannot live |
| 16:42.33 | Shirik|Ecole | wow |
| 16:42.34 | Shirik|Ecole | that's deep |
| 16:42.46 | TC-Working | well they can, it's called being undead |
| 16:42.52 | Shirik|Ecole | or forsaken |
| 16:42.57 | Aella | Undead ~= life. |
| 16:42.58 | TC-Working | still, thats one hell of an answer |
| 16:43.17 | Shirik|Ecole | but it didn't answer my question |
| 16:43.30 | Shirik|Ecole | that's like saying "is 2+2 = 4?" "apples are red" |
| 16:43.46 | TC-Working | that was an answer |
| 16:44.17 | Kaydeethree | purl, what is the answer to everything? |
| 16:44.20 | purl | Kaydeethree: what are you talking about? |
| 16:44.24 | TC-Working | hmm..doesnt say who wrote that little snipit, so it prolly was by the creator |
| 16:44.29 | Shirik|Ecole | omg! |
| 16:44.33 | Shirik|Ecole | purl doesn't know what 42 is! |
| 16:44.47 | nevcairiel | purl, 42? |
| 16:44.49 | purl | extra, extra, read all about it, 42 is the answer to life the universe and everything, see also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/the_answer_to_life,_the_universe,_and_everything |
| 16:44.49 | Shirik|Ecole | purl, what is 42? |
| 16:44.52 | purl | Shirik|Ecole: I think you lost me on that one |
| 16:44.55 | Shirik|Ecole | -_- |
| 16:44.58 | TC-Working | heh |
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| 16:49.19 | TC-Working | eh?...what song? |
| 16:50.00 | cogwheel|work | On the road again. |
| 16:50.09 | cogwheel|work | [09:47]|<--Shirik|Ecole has left freenode ("on the road again") |
| 16:50.46 | TC-Working | yea i read that, didnt get stuck in my head though |
| 16:51.38 | cogwheel|work | how bout now? |
| 16:57.51 | cogwheel|work | that's it... I'm getting my iPod so I can get that song out of my head |
| 16:57.54 | cogwheel|work | ~slap shirik |
| 16:58.07 | purl | ACTION slaps shirik, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 16:58.07 | Shirik | I have emerged victorious once again! |
| 16:58.09 | Aella | ALICE: Thanks. Next question? Interesting explanation. What are you then? Human: I'm a monkey. ALICE: Monkeys cannot type. |
| 16:58.09 | Shirik | purl, sing |
| 16:58.12 | purl | ACTION sings loudly |
| 17:01.15 | Kaydeethree | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:13.21 | Shirik | ~poke Cairenn|afk |
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| 17:16.32 | Enelyon | anybody alive? |
| 17:16.33 | Aella | I could talk to ALICE endlessly >.> |
| 17:16.45 | Shirik | Enelyon: The dead cannot live |
| 17:16.57 | Enelyon | where I can get WoW API documentation? official site and forums are useless |
| 17:17.02 | Shirik | wowwiki.com |
| 17:17.08 | Aella | There is no documentation (official, that is). |
| 17:17.15 | Aella | wdn.wowinterface and www.wowwiki.com |
| 17:17.15 | Shirik | http://www.wowwiki.com/API http://www.wowwiki.com/Widget_API |
| 17:17.18 | Shirik | You will love them |
| 17:17.20 | Enelyon | ok, what about unofficial good docs? |
| 17:17.20 | Aella | *wdn.wowinterface.com |
| 17:17.27 | Shirik | wdn.wowinterface.com for the actual code |
| 17:17.28 | Kaydeethree | aw, we're useless on the forums? |
| 17:17.36 | Shirik | Kaydeethree: You are |
| 17:17.36 | TC-Working | useless.... |
| 17:17.42 | Shirik | I kid I kid!! |
| 17:17.46 | Shirik | ~hug Kaydeethree |
| 17:18.12 | purl | ACTION sneaks up on Kaydeethree and suddenly hugs Kaydeethree tightly |
| 17:18.12 | Kaydeethree | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:18.18 | Enelyon | all I have seen at forums - is unbelievable ugly UI customization |
| 17:18.30 | Shirik | you've probably seen my screenshot then |
| 17:18.37 | Enelyon | may be :) |
| 17:18.46 | Enelyon | I can show u, moment... |
| 17:18.54 | Shirik | actually I don't have a screenshot :P |
| 17:18.57 | Shirik | but anyone that looks at my UI says it's ugly |
| 17:19.01 | Shirik | because I like information overload |
| 17:19.24 | Enelyon | it's not about information |
| 17:19.27 | Enelyon | it's about design |
| 17:19.46 | Enelyon | they naver heard about good interface design and word 'usability' |
| 17:20.04 | Shirik | I think my UI is usable |
| 17:20.05 | Shirik | for me |
| 17:20.14 | Shirik | I think if someone sat in my chair they'd be like "wtf do I do" |
| 17:20.46 | Shirik | everything is just a keypress or one click away, though |
| 17:20.52 | Shirik | and I know exactly what's going on all the time |
| 17:21.01 | Enelyon | u're using large, futuristic-like fonts in fantasy-like game? |
| 17:21.10 | Shirik | I continually get complimented "You're a great healer" but I think they're talking about my UI |
| 17:21.13 | Shirik | not me |
| 17:21.19 | Shirik | And no I use the default font :P |
| 17:21.22 | Enelyon | and wasting your screnn with useless information? |
| 17:21.36 | Enelyon | that's it! default things are good |
| 17:21.44 | Cide | usefulness of information is pretty subjective |
| 17:21.50 | Shirik | nothing on my screen is useless information :) just a lot of information, but useful information |
| 17:22.07 | Enelyon | information is 'useful' when u need it |
| 17:22.17 | leethal | what's the best way to figure out if "Someplayername" is a member of your party? Checking it against a table containing the list of party members or something? |
| 17:22.25 | Enelyon | u need ALL information, not ALWAYS, right? |
| 17:22.28 | Shirik | do you have his unit ID leethal? |
| 17:22.33 | Shirik | I guess not, otherwise you'd know |
| 17:22.40 | leethal | yeah, UnitInParty(unit) |
| 17:22.46 | TC-Working | oh my.... http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/gadgets/weener-kleener-soap-ring-sfw-261170.php |
| 17:22.59 | leethal | Shirik: this is a string, from UNIT_SPELLCAST_SENT =/ |
| 17:23.09 | Shirik | two ways: HOT.TrackTarget("someplayername").unit or just scan all the party/raid ids |
| 17:23.17 | Cide | Enelyon: perhaps, but some people might make use of information others wouldn't |
| 17:23.31 | Shirik | I would advise caching the info if you're scanning the ids |
| 17:23.48 | Shirik | RDX handles it by making a table of all raid/party members, and updating that table on SigRaidRosterUpdate |
| 17:23.54 | Shirik | that way |
| 17:23.58 | Shirik | instead of doing UnitName() 40 times |
| 17:24.01 | Shirik | you can just scan the table |
| 17:24.18 | leethal | yeah that's what I'm doing atm actually |
| 17:24.24 | leethal | wohoo, I rock =) |
| 17:25.08 | Enelyon | as I can see, movement functions not works anymore? |
| 17:25.20 | Kaydeethree | they haven't since 1.9? 1.10? |
| 17:25.35 | Enelyon | I dunno, never modding snice now |
| 17:26.07 | Enelyon | damn :( so I can't make macro 'stop then Horse'? |
| 17:26.31 | Cide | nope |
| 17:26.34 | Enelyon | ...for mounting withink one key while running |
| 17:26.37 | Enelyon | :~( |
| 17:28.05 | Enelyon | is there something kinda "Object Model" or just bunch of functions? |
| 17:28.22 | Kaydeethree | you'll either have to roll your own or use a library like AceOO |
| 17:28.45 | Cide | rolling your own is easier, imo |
| 17:28.51 | leethal | Dongle Dongle Dongle Dongle Dongle |
| 17:28.56 | Shirik | OOP is so easy in Lua |
| 17:28.57 | Shirik | it's insane |
| 17:29.08 | Enelyon | nah, if there's no internal, so I would use defaults |
| 17:29.27 | Shirik | I advise you still namespace your addon |
| 17:29.34 | Shirik | pollution of the global namespace is evil |
| 17:30.20 | Shirik | it's extremely simple |
| 17:30.26 | Shirik | instead of something like MyAddon_SomeFunctionName() |
| 17:30.35 | Shirik | you're going to do MyAddon = {}; MyAddon.SomeFunctionName() |
| 17:30.46 | Cide | >>> local class = { get_name = function(self) return self.name; end }; local class_meta = { __index = class }; local class_instance = setmetatable({ }, class_meta); print(class_instance:get_name()); class_instance.name = "Foo"; print(class_instance:get_name()) |
| 17:30.46 | Cide | Cide: nil, "Foo" |
| 17:31.48 | Shirik | meh |
| 17:31.57 | Shirik | I do a little differently but doesn't make a difference |
| 17:32.06 | Cide | differently now? |
| 17:32.07 | Enelyon | is there any _working_ utils for creating GUI? |
| 17:32.10 | Cide | s/now/how/ |
| 17:32.19 | cogwheel|work | Enelyon: XML editor :P |
| 17:32.20 | Shirik | local class = {}; class.__index = class; local class_instance = setmetatable({}, class) |
| 17:32.22 | Enelyon | *are |
| 17:32.29 | Enelyon | except it :) |
| 17:32.34 | Shirik | or more frequently |
| 17:32.52 | cogwheel|work | Enelyon: check out http://www.wowwiki.com/HOWTO:_Set_up_Visual_Studio_for_WoW_XML to make your XML life easier |
| 17:32.53 | Cide | I don't like that :) |
| 17:33.02 | Shirik | local class = {}; class.__index = class; class.new = function() local self = setmetatable({}, class); end; local class_instance = class.new() |
| 17:33.15 | Shirik | it's a matter of preference. That's how I saw it first so it's what I use |
| 17:33.24 | Shirik | oops |
| 17:33.29 | Shirik | class.new() needs to return self |
| 17:33.30 | Shirik | but yeah |
| 17:33.35 | Shirik | I always forget that >.> |
| 17:33.44 | Cide | haha |
| 17:33.53 | Shirik | so many hours of debugging wasted because of that |
| 17:34.03 | Shirik | I think I've done it at least once in every module |
| 17:34.49 | Enelyon | yeah, WoW for Visual Studio, that's what I want :)) |
| 17:35.02 | Shirik | cogs wrote up a huge wowwiki article about that |
| 17:35.04 | Shirik | for XML at least |
| 17:35.10 | Enelyon | spotted that :) |
| 17:35.56 | Enelyon | but whole plugin for VS is much better :) |
| 17:35.56 | Shirik | I'm healing ramparts! |
| 17:35.56 | Shirik | I don't have time to read what you write! |
| 17:35.58 | leethal | ramparts ftw? |
| 17:35.58 | TC-Working | but you have time to type..... |
| 17:36.07 | Shirik | that's just when I choose to let people die |
| 17:36.07 | Kaydeethree | like healing ramp is a challenging thing? |
| 17:36.10 | TC-Working | ok, his group must be dieing like crazy |
| 17:36.22 | cogwheel|work | I like being able to outsource my snide retorts to TC-Working :P |
| 17:36.59 | TC-Working | well i do work in IT, outsourceing comes naturaly |
| 17:37.12 | TC-Working | :) |
| 17:37.29 | Kaydeethree | ain't that the truth... /sigh |
| 17:37.43 | TC-Working | besides, i'm an asshole....so i enjoy it |
| 17:37.44 | cogwheel|work | Place I work has a serious case of NIH so I'm pretty safe for now :P |
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| 18:04.56 | TC-Working | eh? http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/blizzard-splash.htm whats all this about then |
| 18:05.24 | Cide | welcoem to 5 days ago :P |
| 18:05.26 | Cide | www.blizzard.com |
| 18:05.28 | Kaydeethree | big game announcement in 2 days |
| 18:05.31 | Cide | welcome* |
| 18:05.51 | cogwheel|work | Warcraft IV? |
| 18:05.57 | TC-Working | oh, right on the 19...doesnt mean they have to splash page us...the bastards |
| 18:05.58 | Cide | starcraft 2 most likely |
| 18:06.10 | Kaydeethree | they've been splashing us since monday |
| 18:06.13 | Shirik | imo it should be starcraft the movie |
| 18:06.14 | Cide | but it's all just rumors :P |
| 18:06.16 | cogwheel|work | Cide: they specifically said it wouldn't be Starcraft in an interview |
| 18:06.19 | Kaydeethree | and I'm betting sc2 or an mmofps starcraft |
| 18:06.26 | Cide | cogwheel|work: ... where? |
| 18:06.26 | cogwheel|work | but they could've just been lying :P |
| 18:06.38 | cogwheel|work | it was on slashdot a week or so ago |
| 18:06.44 | Shirik | hm |
| 18:06.50 | Cide | I thought they jusy didn't confirm it |
| 18:06.50 | Kaydeethree | I don't remember seeing that |
| 18:06.53 | Kaydeethree | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:06.54 | Cide | just didn't |
| 18:07.20 | cogwheel|work | ah... I may have read it wrong... |
| 18:07.41 | Shirik | I have a good feeling it will be SC related |
| 18:07.49 | Shirik | but I really hope the rumors aren't true that it will be an RPG |
| 18:07.53 | Kaydeethree | considering the announcement's in SK, ya... |
| 18:08.15 | cogwheel|work | http://kotaku.com/gaming/luke%7C-i-just-soiled-myself/blizz-confirms-new-product-next-month-255518.php they're actually quite vague now that I read it again |
| 18:12.17 | Shirik | welcome to Blizzard, they're always vague |
| 18:12.17 | Shirik | you know why? |
| 18:12.19 | Shirik | Because of this, right here |
| 18:12.19 | Shirik | free publicity. Talk of anticipation |
| 18:12.20 | Shirik | it's a great marketing scheme |
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| 18:13.29 | TC-Working | now i remeber why i never go onto the forums...to many people bitching there |
| 18:13.40 | Shirik | lol |
| 18:13.57 | TC-Working | dont get me wrong, i like bitching...but even i have my limits |
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| 18:14.35 | sysrage | heh i can't stand the blizz forums. |
| 18:15.53 | Osagasu | You think the WoW forums are bad? |
| 18:16.10 | krka | anyone good with tv-out and stuff in linux? |
| 18:16.26 | Osagasu | Look at the WC3 forums. They're just scary. |
| 18:16.29 | krka | i can't get nvidia-settings to set up the tv as a seperate x screen |
| 18:16.39 | Shirik | oh god |
| 18:16.43 | Shirik | that brings back bad memories |
| 18:16.49 | Shirik | Not only was I trying to use SVideo |
| 18:16.52 | Shirik | it was on an ATI card |
| 18:17.00 | krka | twinview works, but i dont like it since it makes fullscreen apply to both screens |
| 18:17.00 | Shirik | on linux |
| 18:17.06 | Shirik | and that took me forever |
| 18:17.07 | krka | ouch Shirik |
| 18:17.21 | krka | i've heard ati is much more of a pain than nvidia |
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| 18:17.30 | krka | so i've never bought ATI |
| 18:17.51 | Shirik | linux is the reason I no longer use ATI |
| 18:19.28 | cogwheel|work | The one thing I really hate about ATI is that when you're running in windowed mode and get any tooltips or little popup messages, everything slows to a crawl because DirectX and GDI don't get along |
| 18:21.25 | krka | yay, got it to work |
| 18:21.26 | Shirik | anyone use serenity here? |
| 18:21.51 | cogwheel|work | I use necrosis... |
| 18:22.02 | Shirik | I can't get serenity to autobuy my candles :/ |
| 18:22.19 | TC-Working | your not "serene" enough? |
| 18:22.23 | cogwheel|work | Get BuyDropper :P |
| 18:22.24 | Shirik | probably :( |
| 18:22.33 | Shirik | nah it's not something I care enough about |
| 18:22.46 | Shirik | I didn't get serenity for that, I just saw it in there and I was like "oh cool that could be nice" |
| 18:23.13 | krka | is there any point to upgrading to ubuntu amd64 version+ |
| 18:23.15 | krka | ? |
| 18:23.22 | krka | this seems to work well enough |
| 18:23.27 | krka | and i dont have 4gb+ ram |
| 18:23.31 | cogwheel|work | 4gb ram |
| 18:23.38 | cogwheel|work | and more headaches |
| 18:23.59 | krka | ubuntu automatically started using both cores |
| 18:24.02 | krka | good stuff |
| 18:24.11 | Shirik | yeah it's teh hawtness :) |
| 18:24.17 | Shirik | Actually, yeah, along lines of what cogwheel|work said |
| 18:24.23 | Shirik | I use Ubuntu 64 bit |
| 18:24.26 | cogwheel|work | Cide: you told me a while back you're using PAE under XP... what chipset do you use? I can't get XP to recognize my 4gb |
| 18:24.28 | Shirik | and it causes some problems :/ |
| 18:24.34 | Shirik | i.e., wine took a little extra work |
| 18:24.42 | Cide | I'm not anymore :) |
| 18:24.43 | cogwheel|work | s/do you use/does your motherboard use/ |
| 18:24.59 | krka | i'll stick with plain 386-ubuntu then |
| 18:25.14 | Shirik | I mean it's not a big deal if you know what you're doing |
| 18:25.16 | cogwheel|work | hehe... that works... I actually haven't booted back into XP for a while now but it's still a bit annoying |
| 18:25.20 | Shirik | it's just not so easy like apt-get install wine |
| 18:26.04 | cogwheel|work | I can't get 64-bit ubuntu to boot on my comp (though I only tried the last beta they released, not the final version of feisty) |
| 18:26.23 | TC-Working | you know, my XP pro 32-bit always picked up my 4gb ram |
| 18:26.24 | Shirik | I use 64-bit edgy |
| 18:26.30 | TC-Working | no extra editing needed |
| 18:26.53 | TC-Working | vista on the other hand cant.....the damn bastards |
| 18:27.01 | cogwheel|work | 64-bit vista should |
| 18:27.14 | TC-Working | i dont feel like buying another OS |
| 18:27.34 | cogwheel|work | I got ultimate... it came with both |
| 18:27.46 | TC-Working | i have ultimate as well, but not both |
| 18:27.56 | TC-Working | i bought mine OEM for the reduced price |
| 18:28.00 | cogwheel|work | ah |
| 18:28.08 | cogwheel|work | I didn't go oem 'cause I still wanted to dual-boot |
| 18:28.11 | Shirik | I got ultimate too |
| 18:28.15 | Shirik | for free :D |
| 18:28.17 | cogwheel|work | and my XP is oem |
| 18:28.23 | Shirik | yey school volume licenses |
| 18:28.33 | TC-Working | though tbh the 3.3 gigs that it picks up is fine |
| 18:28.43 | Shirik | 'cept I won't install it until I have a reason to :P |
| 18:29.16 | cogwheel|work | Shirik: TBQH, I think vista has quite a few inherent reasons to use it. I'm not a fanboi by any stretch, but it's definitely got some nice goodies |
| 18:29.31 | Shirik | all I've seen is eye candy |
| 18:31.41 | cogwheel|work | the start menu is awesome |
| 18:32.19 | cogwheel|work | typing the first few letters of what you want is a hell of a lot quicker than drilling down |
| 18:32.40 | TC-Working | i cant index my system, it crashes |
| 18:33.36 | cogwheel|work | I've got multiple hard drives on different controllers, both sata & pata and never had any problems |
| 18:33.44 | Shirik | STOP 0xF7 INSUFFICIENT_PORN_INDICES |
| 18:33.52 | TC-Working | which is sad...takes along time to search through 1TB+ of data |
| 18:34.55 | Shirik | night all |
| 18:35.03 | Shirik|zZz | And Cairenn|afk, ping me when you get back :P |
| 18:35.07 | TC-Working | night Shirik|zZz |
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| 19:30.57 | Mikma | is there a macro feature that checks if the cooldown on item is complete |
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| 19:31.21 | Mikma | like in this case, i wanna use a trinket if the cooldown is done: /use 14 /cast Mind Blast |
| 19:31.35 | Mikma | but if the cooldown ain't done, i get a message "Item not ready yet" |
| 19:34.53 | Josh_Borke | UI, not AI |
| 19:34.57 | Josh_Borke | get error monster |
| 19:35.01 | Josh_Borke | or something |
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| 19:43.36 | wereHamster | did anyone consider creating an 'inofficial WoW Bug tracker'? |
| 19:46.34 | Kaydeethree | that'd be funny. I wonder if Slouken'd yell at us, though |
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| 19:48.27 | Kaydeethree | and wow. yet another patch on the ptr |
| 19:48.45 | Parak | what got nerfed |
| 19:50.18 | foxlit | Mikma: use my mod :P |
| 19:50.57 | foxlit | http://wow-en.curse-gaming.com/downloads/addons/combat/twintrinkets/' |
| 19:51.04 | foxlit | s/'// |
| 19:51.22 | foxlit | Then your macro becomes /click Trinket_Btn2 /cast Mind Blast |
| 19:51.42 | foxlit | And doesn't produce errors :) |
| 19:53.56 | Mikma | nice :D |
| 19:56.42 | foxlit | Just don't ask me why it works; heads will roll somewhere. |
| 19:58.22 | Mikma | poor heads :D |
| 20:15.41 | Mikma | foxlit: yeah, it just works. |
| 20:19.31 | Mikma | meheh! |
| 20:19.48 | cogwheel|work | 'course the domain was regestired back in '99 so... |
| 20:19.49 | Mikma | hey are so busted! |
| 20:20.18 | zenzelezz | the peer pressure from the Koreans finally broke their resistance |
| 20:23.54 | TC-Working | but that leads to blizz |
| 20:24.21 | TC-Working | the link it self is a redirect |
| 20:24.47 | kergoth | foxlit: ooh, nifty |
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| 20:47.37 | cogwheel|work | .99999999... == 1 DISCUSS! |
| 20:48.05 | nymbia | ~whalenuke cogwheel|work |
| 20:48.14 | purl | ACTION dons his radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around cogwheel|work with his mind powers |
| 20:48.34 | zenzelezz | if you're a loose person, .99999999 might equal 1 |
| 20:48.35 | cogwheel|work | Ok... how 'bout this one: A car going 60mph into a brick wall experiences the same force as if it hit the same car travelling 60mph in the opposite direction |
| 20:49.09 | cogwheel|work | zenzelezz: the "..." had a meaning that I hope was unambiguous :P |
| 20:49.23 | zenzelezz | yes, but I was not bothered to type it |
| 20:49.28 | zenzelezz | my point remains |
| 20:53.58 | Kaydeethree | I uh... |
| 20:59.39 | Xuerian | The first car going 60mph is met with the same or very similar forces when impacting a opposing object of said similarity that presents a unyielding impediment, as does a car going 60 impacting a brick wall (Assuming this wall doesn't crumble or crack. Perhaps steel wall?), seeing as the net yield of both collisions is theoretically the same |
| 21:00.45 | Xuerian | That isn't accounting for slightly different impact vectors, design differences, or unforseen obstacles which could affect two oncoming cars slightly more than a stationary wall :) |
| 21:00.52 | cogwheel|work | there are lots of people who just don't get it... |
| 21:01.13 | cogwheel|work | entire flame wars of people trying to convince others that because the combined speed is greater, the force is greater |
| 21:01.42 | Xuerian | I admit, that was my reflex conclusion :p |
| 21:02.10 | Kaydeethree | depends how well the wall/car(s) can take the hit |
| 21:02.46 | Kaydeethree | as a gut reaction I'd say that driving into a perfectly stationary wall's going to be worse than hitting another car head on |
| 21:02.53 | Kaydeethree | course, if the car goes straight through the wall... |
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| 21:12.14 | foxlit | F = dp/dt |
| 21:12.38 | foxlit | Assuming cars stop, dv = 60mph in both cases, so dp is the same. |
| 21:12.50 | Xuerian | We're discussing it, not corrupting it with evil formulas and such pagan things! |
| 21:12.52 | Xuerian | OUT WITH YOU |
| 21:13.19 | MentalPower|ZZzz | OFF WITH HIS HEAD!! |
| 21:13.28 | Xuerian | Rabble rabble rabble!@ |
| 21:13.32 | foxlit | Question is, will a stationary wall or a moving car stop the other car faster? |
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| 21:16.25 | cogwheel|work | hey Cide: any way you can make CTProfiles detect if it's in a tab and not shrink the window? :P |
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| 21:18.39 | Kaydeethree | hrm... the starcraft 2 annoucement will be taking place at 22:00PDT on the 17th/01:00EDT on the 18th |
| 21:19.53 | nymbia | starcraft 2, eh? |
| 21:19.56 | Kaydeethree | what else could it be? |
| 21:19.58 | cogwheel|work | allegedly |
| 21:20.11 | cogwheel|work | similar to draenei being the alliance race... |
| 21:20.16 | nymbia | true |
| 21:20.59 | TC-Working | "Looks like Vista/Server 2008 will be Microsoft's last 32-bit versions of Windows, after that it's going to be 64-bit and beyond." |
| 21:21.32 | nevcairiel | and beyond, heh |
| 21:22.02 | cogwheel|work | TC-Working: We already covered that this morning :P |
| 21:22.16 | TC-Working | no we didnt |
| 21:22.51 | cogwheel|work | [09:21]<cogwheel|work>Why are they even writing articles like http://apcmag.com/6121/windows_server_gets_vista_version_itis ? I mean, vista's only been out for 4 months... How long do they really think it's going to be before MS finally comes out with a new OS? |
| 21:22.53 | cogwheel|work | -->|amro (n=amro@82.101.184.139) has joined #wowi-lounge |
| 21:22.54 | cogwheel|work | [09:23]=-=Aella is now known as __Aella |
| 21:22.55 | cogwheel|work | [09:24]<Kaydeethree>meh |
| 21:22.57 | cogwheel|work | it's not like any microsoft os is stable until the first service pack |
| 21:22.59 | cogwheel|work | <TC-Working>wasnt it about 4 years between XP and vista? |
| 21:23.01 | cogwheel|work | and then our vista "debate" began :P |
| 21:23.18 | TC-Working | has nothing to with them not releasing any more 32 bit OS's |
| 21:23.31 | cogwheel|work | O.O |
| 21:23.45 | cogwheel|work | the very first sentence in that article is "It's the end of the line for 32-bit operating systems, Microsoft has proclaimed at its annual Windows Hardware Engineering conference" |
| 21:23.52 | Kaydeethree | oh, wow. even kalagn can be snarky on occasion |
| 21:23.54 | Kaydeethree | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=104541624&sid=1&pageNo=5#84 |
| 21:23.57 | TC-Working | i didnt read the article |
| 21:25.44 | cogwheel|work | not my fault |
| 21:25.44 | TC-Working | are you sure? |
| 21:25.44 | cogwheel|work | last I checked... |
| 21:25.47 | TC-Working | damn....ok, looks like it's my fault this time |
| 21:25.47 | cogwheel|work | judges? |
| 21:26.02 | Kaydeethree | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:28.01 | cogwheel|work | TC-Working: I don't accept your defeat... I demand you retort with some snide, but mostly irrelevant comment. |
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| 21:28.57 | TC-Working | *ahem* you cant expect people in an IRC to *read* now can you?...you need to spell it out for them |
| 21:29.00 | krka | hmm... is _anyone_ using the water ripple effect in beryl? |
| 21:29.25 | TC-Working | s/IRC/IRC channel/ |
| 21:29.31 | Kaydeethree | meh, I'm not even running beryl. waste of processor cycles when all I've got is a p4 2.4ghz northwood |
| 21:30.19 | krka | beryl doesnt have to consume a lot of processor though |
| 21:30.23 | krka | just with all the effects |
| 21:30.26 | krka | such as ripple |
| 21:30.37 | Kaydeethree | but it's still cycles that are better served getting used for wow |
| 21:32.57 | krka | i suppose |
| 21:33.14 | krka | i just got myself two cores, so i can happily waste one of them |
| 21:37.53 | cogwheel|work | The few effects I tried besides the default caused me to crash last time I bothered... |
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| 21:42.53 | TC-Working | moo |
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| 21:45.00 | cladhaire | anyone else having authentication issues? |
| 21:45.04 | cladhaire | that may motivate me to go to some coding |
| 21:45.19 | cogwheel|work | The forums are still alive so... probably not :P |
| 21:45.32 | cladhaire | well they're no longer as closely coupled. |
| 21:46.09 | cladhaire | and actually |
| 21:46.13 | cladhaire | the forums are giving login error too |
| 21:46.16 | cladhaire | so *pft* |
| 21:46.37 | cogwheel|work | hehe... so they wouldn't be able to log in to swamp the servers >< |
| 21:49.01 | Bleeter | TC-Working: baa |
| 21:49.23 | Bleeter | that reminds me, I was going to file a 'Baaa' emote suggestion |
| 21:49.27 | cogwheel|work | cladhaire: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=104571767&sid=1 |
| 21:49.37 | cladhaire | aye |
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| 21:55.31 | Bleeter | hmm, I wonder how the VoIP stuff will 'play' on Wine, given that Wine's audio subsystem bites hard. |
| 21:55.48 | Bleeter | Guess it'll be a wait and see, but I foresee it could kill WoW Winers :( |
| 21:57.30 | Bleeter | On the *upside*, I totally removes the incentive I had from getting audio/video done for Pidgin |
| 21:57.40 | Bleeter | s/I tot/it tot/ |
| 21:57.55 | Bleeter | gah, it's still wrong... I need more coffee. |
| 22:00.27 | Kaydeethree | meh. one of the SoC projects for wine is fixing alsa |
| 22:00.29 | Kaydeethree | here's hoping |
| 22:00.53 | foxlit | Can you call :SetScale() on a protected frame in combat? |
| 22:01.14 | Bleeter | Kaydeethree: I think alsa's a bit more bust than a single SoCer could fix in one SoC period, but yeah we can live in hope :) |
| 22:01.16 | Thrae | foxlit: Not programmatically, no |
| 22:01.26 | Thrae | Needs hardware event I think |
| 22:01.30 | foxlit | So I have to separate visual animation from the actual button :/ |
| 22:02.12 | Bleeter | Kaydeethree: who knows, Blizz might even 'donate' some dev time to help them out! haha |
| 22:02.13 | Thrae | foxlit: You might be able to do it if you reference the texture directly (it has SetScale too), but not the entire button (specifically, the clickable region) |
| 22:04.06 | TC-Working | Bleeter. no baa doesnt work |
| 22:06.13 | TC-Working | ~baa |
| 22:06.16 | purl | methinks baa is the sound a sheep makes |
| 22:06.26 | TC-Working | wow...thats sad |
| 22:06.49 | TC-Working | ~moo |
| 22:06.53 | purl | mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/moo/ and http://www.riddleme.com/html/cow2.html |
| 22:06.53 | TC-Working | is much better |
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| 22:10.02 | Bleeter | ~impressiveclergyman |
| 22:10.42 | purl | Mawage. Mawage is wot bwings us togeder tooday. Mawage, that bwessed awangment, that dweam wifin a dweam... And wuv, tru wuv, will fowow you foweva... So tweasure your wuv. |
| 22:10.42 | Bleeter | awww, it got removed? :( |
| 22:10.42 | Bleeter | ~westley |
| 22:11.34 | purl | You warthog-faced buffoon. |
| 22:11.34 | Bleeter | *damn* |
| 22:11.42 | Bleeter | hah |
| 22:11.45 | Bleeter | indeed |
| 22:12.06 | cladhaire | whats an NPC that paths between multiple zones? |
| 22:12.08 | cladhaire | rexxar no longer counts |
| 22:12.37 | Bleeter | no longer? what happened to him? |
| 22:12.42 | cladhaire | he's in outland |
| 22:12.44 | cladhaire | lrn2lore |
| 22:12.44 | Kaydeethree | rexxar's in blade's edge |
| 22:12.47 | Bleeter | cladhaire: the forsaken patrol between Arathi and Tarren Mill |
| 22:13.03 | cladhaire | Bleeter: any idea what the NPC's are named? |
| 22:13.11 | Bleeter | cladhaire: one moment |
| 22:13.23 | cladhaire | got one |
| 22:13.23 | cladhaire | thanks. |
| 22:13.25 | MentalPower|Work | cladhaire: the walking salesman in westfall/redridge/(whatever name the human starting zone has) |
| 22:13.35 | Bleeter | I think it's just 'forsaken patrol' |
| 22:13.44 | Bleeter | though the actual 'named' mob's different |
| 22:14.04 | cladhaire | interesting |
| 22:14.07 | cladhaire | http://www.wowhead.com/?npc=2721 |
| 22:14.10 | cladhaire | forsaken bodyguard |
| 22:14.14 | cladhaire | found what I needed, luckily =) |
| 22:14.19 | Bleeter | ah yeah, that's them |
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| 22:14.51 | Bleeter | was chasing lowbie allies out of SS the other day, it's always amusing to see them running from getting ganked by horde... straight into that pat ;) |
| 22:20.13 | Kirkburn | Forsaken Courier |
| 22:21.22 | Kirkburn | I killed him earlier |
| 22:21.32 | Bleeter | Moos is elg? WTF?! |
| 22:21.35 | Bleeter | *Moose |
| 22:21.44 | Kirkburn | Once when I was supposed to, and once when the whole lot ambushed me during another quest |
| 22:21.51 | Kirkburn | (at their spawn point!) |
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| 22:26.45 | Bleeter | Kirkburn: yes, very impressive. now please stop. |
| 22:27.08 | Kirkburn | =( |
| 22:27.17 | nevcairiel | now dont pick on poor kirki |
| 22:27.19 | kergoth | that fucker killed me so many times when i was 60 |
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| 22:27.20 | kergoth | bastard |
| 22:28.10 | Bleeter | nevcairiel: he's picking on me in /msg from infobot, being very very sneaky |
| 22:28.19 | Kirkburn | So not true |
| 22:28.45 | Kirkburn | nevcairiel played with me on TBC beta, he know I don't lie! |
| 22:28.52 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 22:29.16 | Kirkburn | Darn druids |
| 22:29.19 | Bleeter | where 'picking on' = 'pinging me with a new /msg about 5 seconds after I close the previous /msg for being pointless' |
| 22:29.24 | nevcairiel | wut? says a 'lock |
| 22:29.40 | cladhaire | lol wut!? |
| 22:29.45 | Bleeter | Kirkburn: you have a problem with durids? |
| 22:30.00 | Kirkburn | I remember you buggering off to do that netherwing ledge quest, two levels before me! |
| 22:30.07 | Kirkburn | >_< |
| 22:30.08 | cladhaire | lol |
| 22:30.10 | cladhaire | jealous |
| 22:30.13 | nevcairiel | hehe |
| 22:30.33 | Bleeter | nevcairiel: only two levels? you're so kind! |
| 22:30.38 | nevcairiel | no flying before 68 :( |
| 22:30.57 | Bleeter | imagine the inferiority complex he'd have got if you'd done something realistic, like 4 levels diff ;) |
| 22:31.16 | Kirkburn | Aww, infobot has no "druid" info for me to spam Bleeter wi- ... no wait, uh, forget I said that |
| 22:31.19 | nevcairiel | yeah but even i couldnt jump onto that netherwing floating island |
| 22:31.36 | cladhaire | slow fall ftw!! |
| 22:31.37 | nevcairiel | too bad they stuffed it with mobs now |
| 22:31.49 | Kaydeethree | huzzah kurenai exalted |
| 22:31.50 | Kirkburn | When you did the dragon killing quest, was he still just a useless mob? |
| 22:32.03 | nevcairiel | who? |
| 22:32.15 | Bleeter | I'm sure there would've been some other quest you could've shown him up on.. I guess for the sake of Kirkburn's sanity, I'm glad you didn't ;) |
| 22:32.16 | Kirkburn | I seem to recall a beta patch about two days before I hit 70, the flying drake over Netherwing got seriously buffed |
| 22:32.28 | Kaydeethree | ja'y nosilw? |
| 22:32.35 | Kirkburn | Nah |
| 22:32.36 | nevcairiel | Kirkburn: did him before, 2 manned |
| 22:32.48 | Kaydeethree | the ghost one that you need the spectracles for? |
| 22:32.55 | nevcairiel | yea |
| 22:32.56 | Kirkburn | Yeah |
| 22:33.08 | Kaydeethree | I wonder how that's gonna work in 2.1 with all of the other elites in the kill area |
| 22:33.11 | nevcairiel | we 2manned him in beta, rogue tanking and me healing |
| 22:33.26 | nevcairiel | didnt work in final .. had to get a warri :p |
| 22:33.33 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 22:33.36 | nevcairiel | but |
| 22:33.42 | Bleeter | ripped off |
| 22:33.45 | nevcairiel | we 2maned the final boss of the netherwing quest |
| 22:33.51 | nevcairiel | with off warri and me healing |
| 22:33.55 | nevcairiel | i forgot his name tho |
| 22:34.30 | nevcairiel | zuluhed |
| 22:34.30 | Kirkburn | Tough Dude With Archers |
| 22:34.31 | nevcairiel | thats it |
| 22:34.39 | Kirkburn | And I was so close! |
| 22:35.04 | nevcairiel | yeah, start in one building until he summons a demon, then switch to another, when he is at his second demon, the dragons killed the archers |
| 22:35.07 | Kirkburn | Yeah, so long as you stay inside and switch rooms, it's an easy fight :) |
| 22:35.07 | nevcairiel | so you can go outside |
| 22:35.23 | Kirkburn | Ooh, didn't know that |
| 22:35.38 | nevcairiel | was still an amazing fight |
| 22:35.42 | Kaydeethree | that's what Nelth's "ATTACK WITH THE FULL FORCE OF THE NETHERWING MY CHILDREN!" yell is for |
| 22:35.50 | nevcairiel | the little gnome warrior tanking and dpsing |
| 22:35.59 | Kirkburn | Kaydeethree, lol, that would make sense |
| 22:36.10 | nevcairiel | but i used one mana potion :( |
| 22:36.52 | Kaydeethree | shame he didn't have a voice-acted yell for that. would've been interesting to hear |
| 22:37.05 | Kaydeethree | doomwalker on the ptr is annoying whenever someone aggros him |
| 22:37.15 | nevcairiel | i like the new voice overlays tho |
| 22:37.17 | nevcairiel | its kinda funny :) |
| 22:37.49 | Kirkburn | He has a voice? |
| 22:37.51 | Kirkburn | What's it like? |
| 22:37.53 | nevcairiel | he has now |
| 22:37.58 | nevcairiel | metallic? |
| 22:37.59 | nevcairiel | dunno |
| 22:38.00 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 22:38.00 | Kaydeethree | deep and metallic |
| 22:38.10 | Kirkburn | Just aggro? |
| 22:38.18 | nevcairiel | yea |
| 22:38.21 | nevcairiel | on ptr |
| 22:38.23 | Kaydeethree | nah. all of his /y's are voiced |
| 22:38.37 | Kaydeethree | but all we ever hear is the emote from the tards zoning out of BT at a bad time |
| 22:38.37 | nevcairiel | i dont really remember his other /y's |
| 22:38.42 | nevcairiel | i generally focus on healing then :p |
| 22:40.42 | Kaydeethree | ick. six in-game mails from blizzard re spam petitions. /sigh |
| 22:40.54 | cladhaire | lol |
| 22:41.14 | cogwheel|work | I certainly hope they don't respond to the new Report Spam feature... |
| 22:41.15 | Kaydeethree | c'mon 2.1 |
| 22:41.33 | Kaydeethree | I give slouken and the ui devs a bit more credit than that |
| 22:41.59 | cladhaire | <3 the new arena, guild bank and voip tho |
| 22:42.22 | cladhaire | whys that? |
| 22:42.37 | Mike-N-Go | cladhaire: That coming out in 2.1? |
| 22:42.40 | cladhaire | no |
| 22:42.40 | cogwheel|work | While I doubt slouken & the UI team have anything to do with the GM department, I agree with the fundamental point you were trying to get across :P |
| 22:42.41 | Kaydeethree | 2.2 |
| 22:42.41 | cladhaire | post 2.1 |
| 22:42.57 | Bleeter | cladhaire: Wine's audio subsystem bites, although ALSA improvements are a Google Summer of Code project, I suspect it won't get 'completed' to a sufficient level |
| 22:43.13 | cladhaire | well wine isn't a supported platform =) |
| 22:43.20 | cladhaire | but fair enough :P |
| 22:43.20 | nevcairiel | voip will prolly suck |
| 22:43.28 | nevcairiel | comeone, only raid/group based? |
| 22:43.30 | cladhaire | quick.. whats quest id 5? |
| 22:43.31 | cladhaire | anyone? |
| 22:43.32 | cladhaire | anyone? |
| 22:43.33 | cladhaire | anyone? |
| 22:43.34 | Kaydeethree | group/raid only |
| 22:43.37 | cladhaire | nevcairiel: to begin.. |
| 22:43.40 | Kaydeethree | 5? dunno |
| 22:43.43 | cladhaire | i dont use it much outside that. |
| 22:43.45 | Kaydeethree | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:43.45 | Kirkburn | Something in Northshire? |
| 22:43.53 | cladhaire | Kaydeethree: lol it is 5 :P |
| 22:43.54 | Mike-N-Go | I don't like the VoIP thing for WoW, we will now have young kids yelling at us? |
| 22:43.59 | Bleeter | cladhaire: if it really wasn't supported, they wouldn't have 'fretted' so much over when Warden started banning Cedga users ;) |
| 22:44.04 | cladhaire | Mike-N-Go: opt-out |
| 22:44.06 | cladhaire | err rather |
| 22:44.07 | cladhaire | opt-in |
| 22:44.13 | Bleeter | where 'fretted' = 'fixed it' |
| 22:44.17 | Kirkburn | Jitters Growling Gut! |
| 22:44.17 | cladhaire | Bleeter: thats different |
| 22:44.19 | cladhaire | entirely |
| 22:44.25 | nevcairiel | cladhaire: i know, but i like just being on the desktop, or a toon, and just talk to guildmates .. so dunno .. guess it wont really be used in any serious guild |
| 22:44.33 | cladhaire | nevcairiel: well you can still use vent there :P |
| 22:44.34 | Xuerian | And the wikimaster wins! |
| 22:44.35 | Mike-N-Go | And they won't bother to spell it out anyways, can you really understand someone with some heavy accent? |
| 22:44.42 | Kirkburn | >_< |
| 22:44.43 | Kaydeethree | http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=5 |
| 22:44.46 | cladhaire | ... |
| 22:44.55 | cladhaire | yay for crab cakes |
| 22:44.59 | cladhaire | i have an hour |
| 22:45.02 | cladhaire | do i want to write this parser |
| 22:45.05 | nevcairiel | cladhaire: obviously :P but i dont see the real use :) |
| 22:45.08 | cladhaire | to make new LH data files? |
| 22:45.26 | Kirkburn | There's no #1, but number #2 is Sharptalon's Claw |
| 22:45.40 | Kirkburn | (how completely random) |
| 22:45.59 | cladhaire | there is a number 1 |
| 22:45.59 | cladhaire | err |
| 22:45.59 | cladhaire | maybe you're right |
| 22:45.59 | cladhaire | lol |
| 22:45.59 | cladhaire | damn |
| 22:45.59 | cladhaire | my quest db is sorted by quest id |
| 22:45.59 | cladhaire | its only 15 megs |
| 22:46.03 | Kaydeethree | how compressed is that? |
| 22:46.07 | Mike-N-Go | cladhaire: Please put more in a sentence. |
| 22:46.10 | cladhaire | Kaydeethree: not at all |
| 22:46.14 | cladhaire | Mike-N-Go: no. |
| 22:46.25 | cladhaire | and please refrain from acting like you have some authority over me. |
| 22:46.32 | cladhaire | nothing could be further from the truth |
| 22:46.55 | cladhaire | Kaydeethree: in game, its compressed 51% tho |
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| 22:47.46 | Kaydeethree | <10MB for all the quests in game? not bad at all |
| 22:47.59 | cladhaire | well |
| 22:48.01 | cladhaire | not entirely |
| 22:48.04 | cladhaire | the comments. |
| 22:48.10 | Mike-N-Go | cladhaire: My, aint that true, yet, you have no respect for the request of one whom asks something of you in this manner.. |
| 22:48.18 | cladhaire | Mike-N-Go: a.) you didn't ask |
| 22:48.21 | cladhaire | you demanded. |
| 22:48.25 | cladhaire | b |
| 22:48.31 | cladhaire | i'm now going to do this to piss you off |
| 22:48.36 | cladhaire | okay, just kidding |
| 22:48.42 | Kaydeethree | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:48.42 | cladhaire | but seriously.. you want respect, give it. |
| 22:48.46 | Bleeter | cladhaire: hmm? I'm curious as to how changing warden to not ban players for using an unsupported platform is not in some way, supporting it |
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| 22:49.17 | Bleeter | feel free to substitute 'a binary' for 'warden' to make the query more generic |
| 22:49.21 | cladhaire | Bleeter: It supports it, yes.. I was just saying something like voip they will WORK with Cedega to get it working, I'm sure.. but its not like Mac/Win32, where ithey develop specifically fo rit |
| 22:49.41 | cladhaire | knowing that, you accept certain concessions |
| 22:50.26 | Bleeter | personally, I'd rather see them work with downstream Wine than with Cedega on ALSA matters, but aye I see your point to some degree ;) |
| 22:50.27 | TC_Working | clad, can you kick TC_Working please |
| 22:50.34 | TC_Working | err... |
| 22:50.36 | cladhaire | TC_Working: uhh |
| 22:50.38 | Bleeter | cladhaire: thanks for your time and thoughtful comments tho :) |
| 22:50.54 | cladhaire | Bleeter: lol, np :P |
| 22:51.00 | TC_Working | thats odd...ok, can you kick TC-Working then please |
| 22:51.05 | *** kick/#wowi-lounge [TC-Working!n=cladhair@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Dongle/cladhaire] by cladhaire (cladhaire) |
| 22:51.09 | TC_Working | thanks |
| 22:51.12 | cladhaire | sure |
| 22:51.18 | cogwheel|work | can I get some backup here? this guy's really pissing me off... http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=104601723&postId=1042355008&sid=1 |
| 22:52.18 | TC_Working | whats that ghost command...i cant seem to be able to use TC-Working |
| 22:52.27 | cladhaire | msg nickserv ghost username password |
| 22:52.27 | Kaydeethree | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:52.33 | TC_Working | k, thanks |
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| 22:53.39 | Gnarfoz | kicking your old nick doesn't do anything |
| 22:53.47 | Gnarfoz | you'll have to use ghost :) |
| 22:54.29 | Bleeter | cogwheel|work: done |
| 23:00.24 | TC-Working | well that was an interesting post |
| 23:00.56 | TC-Working | cog, have any more stupid people to throw our way? |
| 23:01.33 | TC-WaitingForNam | wtf |
| 23:02.49 | TC-Working | Mahi |
| 23:02.53 | TC-Working | damn, now i want fish |
| 23:03.42 | Bleeter | TC-Working: you called? |
| 23:03.59 | TC-Working | i was saying it reminded me of fish |
| 23:04.17 | TC-Working | fish i tell you |
| 23:04.35 | TC-Working | no, i want mahi |
| 23:05.11 | TC-Working | or is it mahi-mahi |
| 23:05.12 | dukeku | mahi-mahui |
| 23:05.12 | Bleeter | dunno, when I transferred onto that realm I couldn't keep Maha, so I just went to the alternate spelling |
| 23:05.12 | dukeku | mahi |
| 23:06.25 | Kirkburn | About #29 .... "Broseph" ... anyone think his brother is called Joseph |
| 23:07.07 | TC-Working | i was thinking something like that but, i figured that no one is that retarded |
| 23:07.12 | Bleeter | Kirkburn: I had to look that up on Urban Dictionary |
| 23:07.14 | TC-Working | seems i was wrong |
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| 23:07.33 | Kirkburn | Ooh, what is it? |
| 23:07.43 | Neuro_Medivh | lol, the original post was deleted |
| 23:07.53 | Kaydeethree | check my edited post #19 |
| 23:07.57 | Bleeter | TC-Working: for what it's worth, although Mahi is Persian for 'fish', it's Sanskrit for 'Great' (along with the alternate spelling, Maha). |
| 23:08.26 | JoshBorke | NONE FOR J00! |
| 23:08.28 | TC-Working | while thats cool and all....more people know mahi as fish..... |
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| 23:08.41 | Kirkburn | What in the hell ... where the hell does "broseph" come from? |
| 23:09.01 | Kirkburn | Sounds like some fad that really "cool" |
| 23:09.06 | TC-Working | brother joseph |
| 23:09.16 | TC-Working | was the closest we thought of |
| 23:09.27 | Kirkburn | Methinks christian overtones? |
| 23:09.41 | TC-Working | or he has a bro named joseph |
| 23:09.52 | Kirkburn | (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Broseph) |
| 23:09.54 | TC-Working | and as a young child just put the 2 together and called him that |
| 23:10.20 | TC-Working | meh, i like my idea better |
| 23:10.32 | Kirkburn | That would make you silly, and I would say "that's a silly thing to do, silly brother, my name is Joseph" |
| 23:10.43 | Aella | So silly |
| 23:11.05 | TC-Working | cog will not be taken in by you again |
| 23:12.23 | TC-Working | ! |
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| 23:12.24 | Bleeter | TC-Working: curiously enough, 'mahi-mahi' means 'strong-strong' in Hawaiian. Compared to the Sanskrit, I'm once again amazed by the human capacity for languages. |
| 23:12.24 | TC-Working | are you making great = strong? |
| 23:12.29 | Neuro_Medivh | so mahi mahi means great fish? |
| 23:12.53 | Kirkburn | Development of language is an incredible interesting topic |
| 23:13.09 | Bleeter | no, I'm suggesting that there's a more plausible closeness between 'great' and 'strong', than say 'great' and 'gawd that tastes awful' or something equally 'different' |
| 23:13.10 | Kirkburn | Lots of psychology |
| 23:13.15 | TC-Working | it certianly tastes that way |
| 23:13.27 | Neuro_Medivh | reminds me of that news report I saw about how over 50% of expensive fish sold in restaurants is actually something else |
| 23:13.56 | Neuro_Medivh | some paper in Chicago tested 17 restaurant's Red Snapper, and none were true red snapper |
| 23:14.22 | Bleeter | In .au, they've just decided to rename all the local fish near where I live, resulting in no one knowing what on earth they're buying anymore ('National Standard' vs 'Locale/Brand Identifiation') |
| 23:14.37 | Bleeter | which I think it totally mad |
| 23:14.50 | Neuro_Medivh | yeah, but it's australia, so it's all just dingo meat most likely |
| 23:15.02 | Bleeter | ewww, dingo meat? |
| 23:15.18 | Bleeter | kangaroo, sure. emu, sure... pass on koala and possum meats (too much eucalyptus) |
| 23:15.48 | Neuro_Medivh | well, after eating all those babies, I'm sure dingo meat is tender |
| 23:15.51 | Bleeter | and anyways, Tasmania hasn't had dingoes in it for about 10 000 years :P |
| 23:16.07 | Bleeter | so it'd be a bit rotten |
| 23:16.07 | TC-Working | it's to bad blizz isnt a cool company anymore or they would come out with something like: "Today is the 19th and what we have for you that we have been building all week is.... Our games are really popular" |
| 23:16.33 | Neuro_Medivh | but today is the 17th |
| 23:16.39 | TC-Working | .... |
| 23:16.41 | Bleeter | Fri May 18 09:16:26 EST 2007 |
| 23:16.42 | Kirkburn|afk | It's a cool company to those who aren't idiots! |
| 23:16.45 | Bleeter | no it's not! :P |
| 23:16.49 | Bleeter | get with the times folks! |
| 23:17.00 | Neuro_Medivh | it's gonna be Starcraft II |
| 23:17.04 | Bleeter | damned backwards euros and seppos |
| 23:17.07 | Bleeter | :P |
| 23:17.10 | TC-Working | but i dont see them coming out with a fake release for the heck of it |
| 23:17.17 | TC-Working | which would be really funny |
| 23:17.20 | Kirkburn|afk | Damn Tasmanians |
| 23:17.29 | Bleeter | Kirkburn|afk: go have a bath :P |
| 23:17.34 | Aella | If it's not something Starcraft or an RTS, I will be quite surprised. |
| 23:17.40 | Kirkburn|afk | o.O |
| 23:17.44 | Neuro_Medivh | it'll be something starcraft related |
| 23:18.00 | Neuro_Medivh | MAYBE a Starcraft MMO, but something along different lines than WoW |
| 23:18.01 | Bleeter | I'm not even gunna place money on that |
| 23:18.05 | Neuro_Medivh | something more like Planetside |
| 23:18.15 | TC-Working | i am 70% sure it wont be warcraft related |
| 23:18.21 | Kirkburn|afk | Bleeter, I will personally go find a Tasmanian Tiger and set it upon you |
| 23:18.38 | TC-Working | WoW has the storyline all wraped up for the future.....hmm...maybe back story? |
| 23:18.40 | Neuro_Medivh | it's almost certainly starcraft related, given the popularity of Starcraft in Korea |
| 23:18.43 | Bleeter | Wonder if any, at all, code-base sharing would go on, considering the 'abandonment' of that other SC stream |
| 23:18.50 | Bleeter | eg, UI stuff etc. |
| 23:19.03 | Aella | But at this site they'll be hosting the Warcraft III season finale, correct? |
| 23:19.19 | Aella | Which is why I throw out RTS. |
| 23:19.22 | Neuro_Medivh | SC II would be the most logical |
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| 23:19.40 | Bleeter | I mean, it'd kind of make sense that the effort in BC would be also tuned a little so that the code can be used for 'other stuff' |
| 23:19.43 | TC-Working | heh " What the heck is VOIP?" " Click a bound key to talk in a party or raid. Name highlights to indicate who is speaking. Other people hear you, you hear them. I play cool music like "this is why I'm hot" for party members. You put me on ignore, I get kicked from the group." |
| 23:19.47 | Aella | If they use an RTS, all I want is them to use Lua for game scripting. |
| 23:19.57 | Aella | *make an RTS |
| 23:20.07 | Xuerian | Use lua and a interface customization system similar to wow. :D |
| 23:20.18 | Xuerian | That way, when I get bored of the game, I can make UIs for it too XD |
| 23:20.30 | Bleeter | kind of what I'm saying. To cut down their own development time, some kind of code similarities could make some sane business sense. |
| 23:20.33 | Neuro_Medivh | the only thing in favor of it NOT being an RTS is the huge profit margins in MMOs |
| 23:20.34 | batrick | amen to that |
| 23:20.51 | TC-Working | only if it's popular |
| 23:21.04 | Neuro_Medivh | name me one Blizzard game that isn't =) |
| 23:21.08 | Xuerian | Stores are still stocking sc (sometimes) and wc3 |
| 23:21.11 | Xuerian | Tell me they're not profitable |
| 23:21.20 | TC-Working | 3 dirty dwarfs |
| 23:21.34 | Neuro_Medivh | Xuerian, profitable yes, but it's the amount of profitability |
| 23:21.37 | Xuerian | Course, well, not quite the bloated cash-cow of subscription based |
| 23:21.40 | Xuerian | which is your point :p |
| 23:22.01 | Xuerian | Which we discussed last night, actually |
| 23:22.02 | Neuro_Medivh | to a company, why spend 10 mill to make 12 mill, when you can spend 50 mill to make 100 mil? |
| 23:22.20 | Xuerian | A RTS-MMO.... |
| 23:22.22 | Neuro_Medivh | the problem is, every company wants to spend 10 mill to make 100 mil, and you end up with crap like Vanguard |
| 23:22.50 | Kirkburn|afk | Well, for the 50m->100m you'd need one hell of a reputation to get the funds ... which Blizz has :) |
| 23:22.57 | Neuro_Medivh | exactly |
| 23:23.04 | Neuro_Medivh | it's one of the things I respect about Blizzard |
| 23:23.13 | Neuro_Medivh | they've carefully protected their name and brand identity |
| 23:23.22 | Neuro_Medivh | I think that's why they scrapped Ghost |
| 23:23.32 | Xuerian | Got a point there. |
| 23:23.32 | Aella | (And Warcraft Adventures.) |
| 23:23.36 | Neuro_Medivh | it just wasn't gonna be good enough, so they said screw it |
| 23:23.39 | Neuro_Medivh | yep |
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| 23:23.59 | Neuro_Medivh | no other game company has the proven track record of Blizzard |
| 23:24.01 | Aella | Insulting Blizzard is kinda like insulting Harry Potter—you can, and people do, but it doesn't change the fact that it defines the genre. |
| 23:24.07 | Kirkburn|afk | Once WoW got going, I'm not surprised Blizz felt they has the option of cancelling |
| 23:24.12 | Xuerian | ID? |
| 23:24.22 | Neuro_Medivh | No, ID has had flops |
| 23:24.30 | Xuerian | Eh... true. |
| 23:24.30 | Kirkburn|afk | What was Ghost like - sort of AvP in style? |
| 23:24.36 | Neuro_Medivh | No |
| 23:25.06 | Neuro_Medivh | more like Splinter Cell |
| 23:25.10 | Neuro_Medivh | set in Starcraft |
| 23:25.18 | Kirkburn|afk | I was trying to work out who ID was, when I realised you meant id :P |
| 23:25.49 | Kirkburn|afk | But ... playable zerg!? |
| 23:26.36 | nevcairiel | zerg in rpg wont work |
| 23:26.47 | nevcairiel | they are too much "quantity over quality" :P |
| 23:27.02 | Xuerian | Unless you take it minion-style |
| 23:27.04 | Neuro_Medivh | Actually, I could see a kind of Planetside type MMO |
| 23:27.05 | Bleeter | I thought Splinter Cell bit hard, was fun for about two days. So I'm not suprised, with Neuro_Medivh's comment, that SC:G got canned ;) |
| 23:27.18 | Xuerian | Neuro_Medivh: That crossed my mind, and it'd be cool |
| 23:27.27 | nevcairiel | actually |
| 23:27.34 | nevcairiel | i have no idea what planetside is like |
| 23:27.43 | Elessdy | suck. |
| 23:27.46 | Xuerian | nevcairiel: Played Tribes1/2 or mechwarrior? |
| 23:27.48 | Neuro_Medivh | Blizzard's track record is not to revolutionize the game industry, but take an existing idea and make it the best version possible |
| 23:28.04 | Neuro_Medivh | Planetside was a good idea, but lacked proper execution |
| 23:28.04 | Xuerian | *Most profitable |
| 23:28.10 | Corrodias | the way starcraft's 3 races operated so -differently- was just amazing |
| 23:28.30 | Xuerian | Corrodias: Starcraft on the mind? |
| 23:28.45 | Corrodias | no, someone mentioned sc |
| 23:28.50 | Xuerian | oh. |
| 23:28.52 | Xuerian | Three races |
| 23:28.53 | Xuerian | XD |
| 23:29.29 | Aella | I still daydream about Warcraft III using Lua instead of JASS, every once in a while. |
| 23:29.31 | Neuro_Medivh | Obviously, a direct port of WoW set in Starcraft is silly... not to mention, counter productive |
| 23:29.34 | nevcairiel | Xuerian: just watched a demo vid of planetside, that looks great |
| 23:29.45 | Thrae | Aella: Lua was slouken's baby, and he didn't work on WC3 |
| 23:29.55 | Aella | Yeah, I know. |
| 23:29.58 | Neuro_Medivh | Planetside was nice, but it was like playing a never ending game of AB |
| 23:30.07 | Aella | Doesn't change how awesome it would've been. |
| 23:30.21 | cladhaire | it woudl have been sick |
| 23:30.23 | Neuro_Medivh | PvP requires set beginnings and endings for people to enjoy it properly |
| 23:30.26 | Xuerian | nevcairiel: One of my best friends played it, and it seems a lot similar to t2/mw which I loved |
| 23:30.50 | Thrae | I did a hash implementation in JASS for one project, it was pretty ugly |
| 23:31.07 | Xuerian | Sounds like doing a hash implimentation in nwscript |
| 23:31.07 | Xuerian | :p |
| 23:31.21 | nevcairiel | a RTS where every damn unit is somehow intelligent ( human controlled ) would be so amazing :P |
| 23:31.34 | Thrae | nevcairiel: Shattered Galaxies |
| 23:31.43 | Thrae | nevcairiel: MMO RTS |
| 23:31.46 | Aella | Like AV in an RTS setting? |
| 23:32.04 | Vangual | kara chess event! |
| 23:32.07 | Neuro_Medivh | well, you were asking how people would play Zerg... the key to zerg is, instant respawn. |
| 23:32.13 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 23:32.34 | Neuro_Medivh | If you were a zerg player, you'd be weak, yes, but you'd get instant respawn |
| 23:32.44 | Neuro_Medivh | whereas protoss or terrans might have 20-30 second delay |
| 23:32.57 | Thrae | Neuro_Medivh: DAoC's PvP is a hell of a lot more fun then WoW, where objectives can be accomplished, but there are no "games" which "end" |
| 23:33.19 | Neuro_Medivh | Thrae, exactly, and you need beginnings and endings for it to really appeal to players |
| 23:33.49 | Thrae | Neuro_Medivh: No, most people who like PvP in WoW say DAoC is better, but DAoC sucks so horribly in PvE there's no point |
| 23:34.32 | Neuro_Medivh | just don't take someone's Cloudsong =) |
| 23:35.16 | Thrae | DAoC PvP, even without a set ending, is totally awesome. To capture a Fortress, you need to Break Down The Door, which has its own HP. Some Master-level moves can do it, but otherwise you need to go rent a Ram. All while above, your enemies may be pouring Burning Oil on you, and player-customized NPCs attack you. |
| 23:36.06 | Neuro_Medivh | Yes, but they failed on their PvE execution, because they figured they didn't need it |
| 23:36.06 | Thrae | There may be multiple doors to break down, as well as a huge amount of bottlenecks for your enemy to hide in to attack, and then you need to kill the Fortress Boss |
| 23:36.39 | Thrae | Mythic didn't fail, they did improve far on the PvE dynamic of EQ, but they didn't innovate as much as Blizzard did. |
| 23:36.54 | Thrae | Blizzard started later then Mythic, so they had the advantage of seeing what people didn't like about DAoC. |
| 23:36.56 | Neuro_Medivh | Thrae, whenever I tried to play DAoC, all the servers were horribly dominated by one faction or another |
| 23:37.03 | Neuro_Medivh | Exactly |
| 23:37.08 | Neuro_Medivh | that's what Blizzard does =) |
| 23:37.21 | Neuro_Medivh | Warcraft was a better version of Dune 2 |
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| 23:37.42 | Thrae | Neuro_Medivh: When I started playing WoW, all servers were horribly dominated by Alliance ;) In DAoC, it was mostly Albion. |
| 23:37.52 | Neuro_Medivh | Diablo was a better version of Syndicate crossed with Angband |
| 23:38.02 | Bleeter | Syndicate rocked |
| 23:38.19 | Thrae | Early WoW == Mostly dominated by Alliance, DAoC == Mostly dominated by Albion. I mean, how can you play Dark Age of Camelot and NOT start in Camelot? |
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| 23:38.39 | Neuro_Medivh | actually, most people i knew went the norse route, for Skalds |
| 23:39.13 | Thrae | Hmm, I started playing pretty early and Albion had the majority on all servers, Midgard second, Hibernia last |
| 23:39.23 | Thrae | Some servers had Midgard over Albion, but they weren't many |
| 23:39.34 | Neuro_Medivh | I went Hibernia, that might be why I disliked it so much |
| 23:39.41 | Thrae | Albion had more classes, which helped immensely to boost their numbers |
| 23:40.00 | Thrae | I ended up joining a server as a Hibernian after being in a server where Midgard dominated |
| 23:40.12 | Thrae | Always winning by sheer numbers is boring |
| 23:40.22 | Neuro_Medivh | agreed, which is why I like BGs |
| 23:41.04 | Thrae | Well, it's not like you could get over 40 people in your DAoC Battlegroup...anymore then that, and the server would probably crash as 40 (Albion) vs 30 (Midgard) vs 20 (Hibernia) |
| 23:41.18 | Bleeter | ooooh, syndicate wars can still be played by using dosbox! I'll have to try and find my disks |
| 23:48.39 | TC-Working | well there is one good thing about having vista |
| 23:48.51 | TC-Working | i can pick up Halo 2 on the 22 |
| 23:49.15 | Bleeter | oh, I thought you were going to say 'the file delete issue means I'm not doing any work this arvo' |
| 23:49.35 | TC-Working | uhhhh....no |
| 23:50.22 | Bleeter | http://forums.microsoft.com/TechNet/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=1358057&SiteID=17 |
| 23:50.26 | Bleeter | for reference |
| 23:51.37 | TC-Working | i dont have problems with that on vista |
| 23:51.49 | TC-Working | i moved 160+ GB in less than 2 hours |
| 23:51.53 | Bleeter | s/dont have/haven't hit (yet)/ |
| 23:52.18 | Bleeter | from my understanding, it might just 'happen' sometime then yer stuck with it |
| 23:52.41 | Bleeter | tho, as I don't do windows, I really dunno ;) |
| 23:52.42 | TC-Working | huh...maybe |
| 23:54.24 | Thrae | If you're moving a lot of data, I suggest using the command line, including additional options for verification, especially if it's across a network |
