IRC log for #wowi-lounge on 20070521

00:00.00Cideoperators have different precedence
00:00.06Cideit does
00:00.20Cideit's like math, * has higher precedence than +
00:00.21KuSo, if name is nil (which is false), it would represent the whole expression as false.
00:00.29Cideno, that's where you misunderstand it
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00:00.43KuOh! I am doing:
00:00.44Cidea and b or c is equivalent to ( a and b ) or c
00:00.52Kux and y or z or aa or bb or cc.
00:00.58Cidea and b or c or d or e is equivalent to (a and b ) or c or d or e
00:01.02KuIt checks x and y false.
00:01.05Cideso if name is nil
00:01.10Kuor z ERROR
00:01.11Cideit does ( false ) or c or d or e
00:01.13KuI get it.
00:01.27GeoManceKu. name and name:find(that) or name:find(other), reads (name and name:find) or name:find(other). If name is already false, it goes right to name:find(other) and throws error. >.>
00:01.38KuHaha! Thanks.
00:01.40KuI got it now!
00:01.49KuI'm going to test it! ...in RFK.
00:01.51Ku?
00:02.35GeoManceFuuuun.
00:02.45KasoI used to have this addon writing spot, i'd sit in the "dragon tower" in silithus watching dragons and coding, and confusing the occasional person who ran up there.
00:02.57GeoManceI never got that far.
00:03.08GeoManceBut, that would keep you safe, and away from idiots, I would assume.
00:03.40KuWell, my problem is I need to be near vendors with recipes I know, don't know and can't use.
00:03.59Bam__my addon tester char has been stood at the same spot in IF for 2 years now lol
00:04.06Kubrb, going to grab another coke.
00:04.07Kasothat was about the time i was grinding CC exhalted solo, so i was practically living in silithus so i thought i might as well be there to code too.
00:05.07GeoManceHeh.
00:05.23GeoManceThat's what killed my Rogue for me. BTS Endgame rep grinding.
00:06.39Kasoyou know what i've just realised? There's no weather in outlands, i was just thinking how much i liked sand storms in silithus.
00:06.58GeoManceDo the join/exit channel events trigger for the General/Trade/Local Defense?
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00:34.01Corrodiasugh..
00:34.16Corrodiasi've got some biological issues going on >:/
00:34.45Corrodiasexpansion rep grinding is really easy compared to the crap people had to go through for pre-expansion rep
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00:42.31batrick_AD rep wasn't so bad during Nax ^^
00:45.22Mr_Rabies2yeah, expansion rep is cake
00:45.29Mr_Rabies2thank god, there's so many factions
00:45.36Kaydeethree'cept for consortium
00:45.43Kaydeethree</3 grinding consortium rep
00:46.10Mr_Rabies2i'm halfway through honored :(
00:47.04Mr_Rabies2luckily i only need revered
00:47.04KaydeethreeI'm at the very least revered with all of the outland factions I can get past neutral with
00:47.22Mr_Rabies2oh, and 2.1 has more protectorate quests
00:47.27Mr_Rabies2which i assume give consortium rep
00:47.30Kaydeethreeya
00:47.36Kaydeethreeit's the new silithus
00:47.48Kaydeethreemuch like skyguard
00:48.21Mr_Rabies2and ogri'la
00:48.21kergothman, i spent -so- much time on those fucking zaxxis guys
00:48.29Mr_Rabies2which i still haven't found the reference
00:48.35Mr_Rabies2what is ogri'la referencing :x
00:48.36KaydeethreeI ground ogres
00:48.42Mr_Rabies2apparently something, but i'm missing what
00:48.51Kaydeethreekurenai+consortium rep at the same time
00:48.55kergothogres are more populous, but i liked the higher zaxxis drop rate
00:48.56kergothtrue
00:48.59Kaydeethreeogri'la ==> shangri'la
00:49.04Mr_Rabies2ohhh, duh
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01:08.14KuIt looks like my code is error-checking properly now. :)
01:13.15GeoManceHrm, I'm having a problem with text on a button not appearing.
01:19.00GeoManceNever mind, fixed.
01:44.26GeoManceHow do you loa multiple .lua files at one time..?
01:44.50GeoManceOh, through the .toc right?
01:44.51GeoMance<.< Don't mind me.
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01:45.24GeoManceWelcome back, cck.
01:45.28GeoManceckk
01:45.47ckknight_hey
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01:59.20GeoManceIs it possible to make an edit-box unditable?
02:01.30cladhaireyou could play with focus tricks.
02:01.38cladhairei'm sure you can tho
02:02.59GeoManceFocus tricks?
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02:04.05GeoManceIs there an event for Focus moving to something?
02:05.05cladhaireyes
02:05.15cladhairei think its just OnFocus()
02:05.23cladhairethe wiki will reveal
02:05.32cladhairei could be lying
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02:05.33cladhairewntirely
02:06.24cladhairei am in fact lying :P
02:08.04GeoManceHeh.
02:08.11GeoManceThe transformers movie looks fun.
02:08.20GeoManceBut, the question is now moot. MOOT.
02:08.24GeoManceMoot.
02:08.31GeoMance<.< Moot.
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02:12.39cladhairewow
02:12.44cladhairei didn't expect that from desperate housewives
02:12.48Temoh wow
02:12.54Tem<3 1v1ing a druid
02:12.57cladhairehahahah
02:12.59cladhaireTOLD YOu
02:13.02Temhe pops a heal
02:13.05Temand I steal it
02:13.12cladhairebastard mages.
02:13.17DT_Pssh, mages are so ezmode
02:13.20Temand I'm like, "thanks!"
02:13.37DT_If they spell steal everything they'll run themselves oom
02:13.46DT_I just keep healing til they go out of mana, then finish them off
02:13.46TainSure leveling a druid is easy.  The tradeoff is EVERYONE HATES YOU.
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02:46.25GeoManceIs there a way to force text wrapping in a FontString?
02:46.55DT_Set it's width
02:47.02DT_its*
02:47.25DT_I think
02:47.25GeoManceReally? That's it. Seems way to easy. O.o
02:50.21GeoManceGRRR>
02:50.24zenzelezzhttp://www.wowwiki.com/UIOBJECT_FontString
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02:55.20GeoManceAlright. I've got.. wIF = {}; outside of functions. then function wIF:Initalize() self.main = .... <Otherthings> end then I try to wIF:Events() self.main and I get it's a nil value. O.o
02:57.58GeoManceself.main.something declared...
02:59.22MentalPower|Workyou sure its the same self?
02:59.30Kasothat made about 0.1 percent sense to me.
02:59.36GeoManceHeh.
02:59.42GeoManceOne moment.
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03:01.29GeoMancehttp://wowi.pastey.net/36689 <-- Error is Attempt to index field 'main' (a nil value)
03:02.40zenzelezzwhere does the "wowIRC" come from?
03:03.37GeoManceIt's an xml frame, the one that calls the wIF:Initialize()
03:04.47GeoManceAck! Error at line 45
03:05.02GeoMance<.< That would have been useful information.
03:08.56GeoManceThe error's at line 45, and it's acting as though self.main wasn't created.
03:09.17GeoManceWell, that wIF.main wasn't created, since it's supposed to be a reference.
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03:11.51GeoManceBlahlegarg. -_-
03:12.32GeoManceHello, Iriel.
03:12.37IrielEvening
03:12.49GeoManceHow's it goin'?
03:12.57GeoManceI think I keep killing peoples. >.>
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03:13.58GeoManceHello, Weab.
03:14.10weabhi. and bye
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03:14.43IrielIt's going well, I can reliably break my own addon on demand
03:15.09GeoManceWhat do you mean?
03:15.59GeoManceWelcome back, norgs.
03:16.16norgser... thanks? :p
03:16.30GeoMance<.< It said you got back. xD
03:16.33GeoManceWelcome.
03:16.37GeoManceHey again, Borke.
03:16.45IrielGeoMance: I've been trying to fix a bug, but it was hard to make it happen when I was watching... Now I've got it to the point where I can make it happen on demand
03:17.06GeoManceOooh, I missread what you said. That's useful.
03:18.17GeoManceIf you have a table, and you pass a reference to it into a function, and inside the function you make changes to said table, do they remain? The reason I'm asking is it's seems like no, and that's causing me an error.
03:18.25IrielYes, they do
03:18.41IrielAll table references are just that, references
03:18.49IrielHowever, just so we're clear.. if you do this...
03:19.09Iriela = {}; function test(x) a.hello = "greetings"; end; test(a);
03:19.18GeoManceI know. xD http://wowi.pastey.net/36689 <--- Error line 45: Attempt to index 'main' (a nil value)
03:19.20IrielOops, let me re-do that
03:19.32Iriela = {}; function test(x) x.hello = "greetings"; end; test(a)
03:19.36Irielthat will change the contents of a
03:19.39Irielhowever
03:19.50Iriela = {}; function test(x) x= { hello = "greetings"; } end; test(a)
03:19.52Irielwill not
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03:20.33GeoManceI'm doing a = {}: function a:test() a.main = something; end a.main:DoSomething();
03:20.48GeoManceWith correct colons. >.>
03:20.52GeoMancesemi-colons.
03:20.56GeoManceWhatever the hell they is.
03:21.28GeoManceWow that made me sound stupider than I intended.
03:22.29IrielYou dont initialize the channels array, do you?
03:23.01Irielself.channels ?
03:23.28GeoManceThat's in a seperate lua file.
03:23.36GeoManceBut yes, it's initialized, and works.
03:23.50GeoManceI've outputted the text variable value of it to the chat frame.
03:24.12IrielHow sure are you that you ran wIF:initialize() ?
03:24.48GeoManceVery. The texture file I call, and button I make towards the end are up on the screen.
03:24.52IrielAnd, possibly far more importantly, what does your SetScript for the event handler look like?
03:25.17GeoManceSetScript?
03:25.29IrielHowever you expect to get your OnEvents method called
03:26.13GeoManceI just have a <OnEvent>wIF:OnEvents()</Event> only CHAT_MSG_CHANNEL is registered currently.
03:26.37IrielIs it possible you've put wIF = {}; in two files?
03:27.02GeoManceNope.
03:27.04IrielIf you have DevTools installed try /dump wIF
03:27.11Irielcheck that it's intact
03:27.20GeoManceNope, I don't. I'm running a barebones UI.
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03:28.27IrielI see no obvious reason why this wouldn't work, so either I missed it (possible, but it's not something blatantly obvious if I did), or some other piece of code is clobbering wIF.main
03:29.57GeoMancehttp://wowi.pastey.net/36712 <-- Second Lua; http://wowi.pastey.net/36713 <--- XML
03:30.15GeoManceAnd it has a TOC that calls 2 other xml files that are completely blank.
03:30.39IrielYour .toc doesn't have any SavedVariables, does it?
03:30.47GeoManceNone.
03:31.20IrielHm, why do you do wIF = wIF:initialize() if you dont return anything from the initialize method?
03:31.39GeoManceBecause, I forgot to replace that when I was testing something.
03:31.55GeoManceShhhh, don't comment on that.
03:32.01GeoManceStill getting an error out of it.
03:32.18GeoManceSame error, same place.
03:32.34GeoMancejust calling wIF:Initialize() without assignment.
03:32.56IrielWhat does /script message(tostring(wIF.main))
03:32.58Irielget you?
03:33.49GeoMancenil.
03:34.12IrielPut some debug statements in your code
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03:34.25IrielDEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage("main = " .. tostring(wIF.main))
03:34.42IrielPut one after initialize, and one at the start of OnEvents
03:34.50GeoMancenil still.
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03:35.31ShirikNETHERSPITE DOWN!!!
03:35.35Shirikomg I'm happy
03:35.45DT_Grats
03:35.58DT_That one is a pain in the ass to get. GL on the sword, if you're sword specced :)
03:36.07ShirikI'm.... a hunter >>
03:36.10DT_Oh
03:36.25DT_Well, isn't any weapon a hunter weapon, really
03:36.30GeoManceWhen it gets to the <OnEvent> it's nil.
03:36.41IrielGeoMance: But it wasn't nil before?
03:37.06GeoManceNope. It's not nil when I call the self:RegisterEvents();
03:37.32GeoManceIt's not after it registers.
03:37.36IrielThen you either didn't give me all of the code you're running, or you're not running the code you think you're running
03:37.41GeoManceSince that's the last thing before the <OnEvent>
03:38.27IrielAt this point i'd recommend you exit WoW completely, verify your .toc is correct, make sure there's no saved variables file for that AddOn, then go back in
03:38.36Shirikand verify you saved everything
03:38.41IrielMy guess is that once upon a time you DID have wIF as a saved variable
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03:38.42Shirikhow many times I've tried to fix nonexistant errors because of that
03:39.20GeoManceI couldn't have.
03:39.28IrielGeoMance: Check anyway
03:39.46GeoMance<.< My TOC hasn't had any of the ## fields changed since I added it. xD
03:39.52IrielShirik: My most common mistake is to deploy against test, and test against live, or vice versa
03:40.35GeoManceI don't even know how they work. xD
03:41.59GeoManceNo saved variables. No other code besides the three files shown. TOC calls two over -empty- (Filed size is 0) .xml files.
03:42.20GeoMancetwo other^
03:42.42IrielHave you exited the client and gone back in anyway, just to be sure?
03:42.47GeoManceYep.
03:42.55GeoManceClosed it completely, and opened it back up.
03:43.03IrielOk, add this new line next to the others
03:43.07GeoManceOnly this AddOn is active.
03:43.15IrielDEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage("wIF = " .. tostring(wIF))
03:43.24Irielmake sure you get the same answer both times
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03:45.39GeoMancewIF == wIF.main inside of the Register Event, but inside the <OnEvent> it has a different value.
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03:46.56GeoManceHrm.
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03:47.24IrielSomewhere you have a variable called wIF
03:47.42IrielIn another file, a frame name, in a saved variables file, in another addon, etc
03:47.47Shirika variable can't have two different values, they must be in a different scope
03:47.55Shiriksame name, different scope
03:48.42GeoManceThat's the thing, unless the basic UI AddOns, or somewhere use has wIF, that's -all- I have active.
03:49.25GeoManceAnd that is all of the code I have running. Everything else is deactivated.
03:50.31IrielDo /script DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage("wIF[0] = " .. tostring(wIF[0]));
03:50.51GeoMancenil.
03:51.24GeoManceHrm..
03:53.44GeoManceOkay, I was wrong, wIF == wIF.main in the register, the tostrings are just -very- close.
03:54.02IrielZip up your addon's directory and email it to iriel@iriel.org
03:54.10Shiriko.o
03:54.14Shirikyou have your own domain?
03:54.23ShirikI want a domain :(
03:54.28IrielI have something like 10, for various reasons.
03:54.42Shirikyeah I have some just not named after me :(
03:57.29XuerianShirik: Why not? :p
03:57.49Shirikduno :/
03:57.49GeoManceSent, from deathslancer@earthlink.
03:58.29GeoManceAnd sorry for the crappy button that'll obscure a portion of your topleft screen. xD
04:00.48XuerianShirik: For like 10$, you mightaswell
04:01.37GeoManceIt's not going to arrive. I, of course, misspelled your name.
04:02.10GeoManceThere you go.
04:03.06IrielGot it
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04:04.32IrielYou run wowIRC.lua twice
04:04.34IrielThat's not good.
04:04.36IrielNot good at all.
04:04.42IrielTake the <script> out of the .xml
04:04.47GeoManceI had no realized I did that.
04:05.04Irielyou dont need it since you've got the file listed in the .toc, just move it up before the .xml
04:05.44GeoManceDo I have to close WoW, to reload the toc?
04:05.54IrielNot if all you do is rearrange files
04:06.03Irielthe ## lines need a reload
04:06.06Xuerian"That's not good. <Puff, puff> ... Not good at all."
04:06.21IrielMug of coffee instead of a pipe, and it's pretty close
04:07.40GeoManceWell, that was the problem. xD
04:07.40GeoManceI didn't realize I'd done that. xD
04:07.40IrielNext time post the .toc too 8-)
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04:08.30GeoManceHeh.
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04:18.34IrielDamn it, Eye of Kilrogg breaks it too
04:18.40IrielFreakin' spell events
04:19.00GeoManceHahahah.
04:23.03GeoManceO.o
04:23.14GeoManceMy thing is closing before it actually loads.
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04:27.50XuerianThat's ... dirty
04:28.42ckknightyou're dirty
04:30.30GeoManceAny of you know anything about ScrollFrames?
04:33.39IrielThey're fiddly
04:33.51Shirikchances are you don't need it
04:34.02Shirikmost don't use them, they make a workaround
04:36.28GeoManceI'm trying to use one, 'caue I have a -whole- bunch of text that wants to be displayed. xD
04:36.43Shirikthen make the text scroll yourself
04:37.00Shirikwhat you want to do
04:37.02Shirikis have multiple lines
04:37.13Shirikthen when you click the down arrow, move everything up one line and fill in the bottom line
04:37.19Shiriksame thing for up arrow
04:37.49GeoManceEr, Not sure what you mean there. >.>
04:48.27GeoManceAh, I think I get you, and that'd be difficult, I'm saving the text in just a lump concatination.
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05:12.07GeoManceGRRR!
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05:40.13GeoManceBlah. >.< I can't find viable way to do this without the scroll frame.
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07:02.23Temwoot
07:02.42ckknightwoot!
07:02.42Temmy very first primal might transmute after getting transmute mastery gave me 2
07:02.46ckknighthey, grats
07:02.50GeoManceCongrats.
07:05.21GeoManceHrm, hey, ckk, any ideas on my scroll bar problem?
07:06.15ckknightGeoMance: yea, you fake it by splitting up your text, e.g. local lines = { ("\n"):split(text) }, and then output 10 lines into a text frame, make arrows that can scroll up and down
07:08.50GeoManceI'm writing something that collects posts to the Chat Channels.
07:10.23GeoManceSo, the text I'm getting is of variable length.
07:12.39GeoManceAnd, because of what I'm intending to do with it, quite a few lines could be in excess of 255 characters. Which makes it hell on wrappers.
07:15.32GeoManceAnd no responses now. >.>
07:18.48Corrodiasi know nothing
07:19.11Corrodiascan you really send more than 255 characters in one chat message?
07:19.16Mr_Rabies2<Corrodias> i knaaaw noteeeeeenk
07:19.19Tem|Sleepno, you can't
07:19.30Mr_Rabies2er
07:19.33Mr_Rabies2notheeeeenk
07:20.15GeoManceNope, you can't. But that's not the reason there's more. It's because there's an attached function to split too big posts up, and when it receives a split post it reassembles it.
07:21.48GeoManceAnd 'cause it tacks extra text onto the string regardless. So if you send a post that meets the buffer it will be 255+Extra text regardless.
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07:25.26GeoManceIf I could set the font to one with a set character width for each character, that would be moot.
07:43.31GeoManceIs there anyway to access basic fonts like Heveltic and others..?
07:49.44Corrodiasno idea
07:50.13ckknightGeoMance: I recommend ClearFont2
07:51.16Corrodiaswhich still mysteriously affects the scale of my fubar and fubar tablet fonts...
07:51.42Corrodiaspossibly through no fault of its own
07:53.53GeoManceIt wouldn't be a problem, except each character has a different size. >.<
07:55.40GeoManceHa! I just need to find the correct font now. xD
07:59.12GeoManceAnd that doesn't quite provide an answer, since it creates many dependancies.
08:03.06GeoManceI could always just provide the fonts in my own files..
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08:37.26Mr_Rabies2woo
08:37.33Mr_Rabies2i love having friends who can code
08:37.44Mr_Rabies2friend of mine's working on a wish list of sorts for wowhead :P
08:38.15hasteIt's much more fun doing that yourself :D
08:38.46Mr_Rabies2why do something yourself when you can make someone else
08:38.59Mr_Rabies2i'd make a good mad scientist
08:39.09hasteso lazy :(
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09:20.59Bleeteranother to the list of 'Incomprehensible, Stupid and Pointless' guild names, <BetterLuckNextTimeNaga> ... on a PvP realm?
09:25.01GeoManceO.o
09:29.02Tertdoes reloading the interface load addons installed while wow was running
09:29.55GeoManceNope.
09:30.02GeoManceYou have to close WoW, and reopen it.
09:30.08Tertfigured as much
09:30.10Tertthanks
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10:11.48IndustrialBleeter: <Prepate to die for MT> ??? :S
10:11.52IndustrialPrepare*
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10:31.23KasoIs trading protected nowadays i seem to recall something about that but wowwiki doesnt say
10:31.48nevcairieltrading needs hardware events
10:31.58Kasoah, thats it then
10:32.02Kasohokay
10:32.43nevcairielwhy does my brother always freeze when i open the armory
10:32.59KasoYour brother freezes?
10:33.04Kasolike, soild?
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10:39.02nevcairielstupid brain-lag while writing
10:39.11nevcairiel*browser -- obviously :P
10:39.15Kasohaha
10:39.27Kasocos Armory is the worst website every to be coded by human hands
10:39.35Mr_Rabies2that's one of those sentences that gives you an aneurysm
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10:40.00Mr_Rabies2like lewis black's famous "if it wasn't for my horse, i wouldn't have spent that year in college"
10:41.57Bleeternevcairiel: from memory, if you're using FF, the JS is run in the same thread as the browser. This is why complicated 'web 2.0' sites continue to bite ass.
10:42.18Bleeternevcairiel: dunno about the thread status of IE's JS implementation
10:42.22zenzelezzperformance-wise perhaps
10:42.37nevcairielyeah i run FF
10:42.40zenzelezzmost of the suckness of Web 2.0 sites is that half of them use it for stupid things
10:43.03Bleeterget a bunch of RSS bookmarks updating, a couple of large JS pages happening, the thing practically collapses
10:43.22BleeterI believe FF3 is meant to split the JS off into seperate threads... but I ain't been following that discussion
10:45.19Bleeterzenzelezz: I'd happily agree with that. Most web 2.0 stuff would appear to me to be a poor excuse for not writing some dedicated app thing using an existing layout engine.
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10:48.50Kasogo measure the amount of radiation leaking from your microwave bbc, then tell me wifi could be a health risk
10:53.13Kirkburn|afkA microwave BBC? What does that do, cook the presenters?
10:53.34Kasohar har!
10:54.07Kirkburn|afkheh
10:54.18Kirkburn|afkI just finally looked at my exam timetable for this year :D
10:54.29Kirkburn|afkMy first is in 2 hours ^^
10:54.35Kasoowch
10:54.37nevcairielheh
10:54.48nevcairielgood that you looked now ;)
10:54.53nevcairieland not in 2 hours :P
10:54.53Kirkburn|afkhehe
10:55.18KasoIve been trying to avoid thinking of my exams, but even i know my first one is next monday
10:55.35Kirkburn|afkFortunately, out of all of them, my housemate has this one with me, so I knew about it before ... but the others, uh, I didn't really.
10:56.34Kirkburn|afkbeen revising much?
10:56.34Kirkburn|afkI sure haven't!
10:56.34JunkHead-WorkHigh school or College exams?
10:56.34Kirkburn|afkUniversity
10:56.34Kasonot really, but ive litterally just finished my last piece of coursework, so my excuse is ive been busy with that
10:56.46JunkHead-WorkAh.
10:57.02Kirkburn|afkWhich came first, the chicken or the egg: http://www.explosm.net/comics/420/
10:57.07JunkHead-WorkThe farmer.
10:58.09Kasothe proto-chicken came first, or doesnt that count
10:58.16JunkHead-WorkI'm so glad you showed me that link.
10:58.25JunkHead-WorkI clicked on the tshirt ad on the right side.
10:58.33JunkHead-Workhttp://www.palmercash.com/product.asp?3=909
10:58.41JunkHead-WorkAnd then found this.
10:59.27KasoAlternatively, for those who accept the intelligent design form of creationism, Eugene Volokh has noted that "In my experience, most creationists are also pro-life -- in which case, the egg is a chicken."
10:59.34Kasothat is the most awesome quote i ever heard
11:01.12zenzelezzI've not received my Quotes of the Day e-mail for nigh on a week now :-(
11:02.04KasoKirkburn|afk! http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=286633472&sid=1 you're called for.
11:03.12Kirkburn|afkNo I'm not. You are :P
11:03.41Kirkburn|afkWhy does the chat box have to be such a bitch :(
11:04.18KasoI've never even looked at fonts in addons barely dont ask me
11:04.33Kirkburn|afkAnyway, the guy who answered was correct. The only other thing to perhaps say is to tell him to look at the Lua.
11:04.43JunkHead-Workhttp://www.palmercash.com/product.asp?3=813
11:04.51Kirkburn|afkOnce I get some time after the exams I might try and put in separate chat/UI options
11:05.06Kirkburn|afkJunkHead-Work, awesome
11:05.11Kasoim not a big fan of tshirts with shit written on them
11:05.13JunkHead-WorkThat shirt is badass.
11:05.33JunkHead-WorkThey're expensive though.:(
11:05.40JunkHead-Work23 bucks for a tshirt?
11:06.12Kirkburn|afkThat's expensive?
11:06.17JunkHead-WorkYeah.
11:06.35Kirkburn|afkAnything up to £15 is quite normal in the UK
11:06.38Kasoamericans, things are so cheap over there with the current exchange rate
11:06.41JunkHead-WorkI dunno.
11:06.50JunkHead-WorkSeems like they should be like, 15 bucks.
11:07.03Kirkburn|afkWow, if only we got prices like that ^^
11:07.04JunkHead-WorkMost tshirts I've ever bought were about 15-16
11:07.21clad|sleepstop reminding me how expensive the next four years are going to be =)
11:07.23Kirkburn|afkMy sister is known for buying me £25 tshirts ($50)
11:07.33Kirkburn|afkclad|sleep, lulz
11:07.37KasoPS3 are the real thing that scares me in england
11:07.45Kasoclose on $800 for a "package" one
11:07.52JunkHead-Work$50 bucks for a shirt?
11:07.55Kirkburn|afkIndeed Kaso, why the f*ck do people keep buying it here?
11:08.03JunkHead-WorkHell no.
11:08.08Kasoeven wiis are pretty pricey here
11:08.15JunkHead-WorkMost shirts I have, I bought at thrift stores for 2 bucks.
11:08.23Kirkburn|afkJunkHead-Work, the label. Stuff like Ripcurl, Bench...
11:08.31JunkHead-WorkOr half the time I just plain white tshirts that are like, 3 for 5 bucks.
11:08.37JunkHead-WorkYeah screw label.
11:08.47JunkHead-WorkI wear simple stuff that is cheap and comfortable.
11:09.10clad|sleepyou're such a unique rebel :P
11:09.19Kasohehe
11:09.47JunkHead-WorkYup.
11:12.34Kasohttp://www.airsideshop.com/product_images/248/m_closeup_henki.jpg
11:12.49Kasothats the only tshirt ive ever bought off the internet
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11:33.52Industrial"Words on a t-shirt" http://www.tshirthell.com/store/product.php?productid=716
11:33.59Industrialer, shirt*
11:34.09Industrialhttp://www.tshirthell.com/store/product.php?productid=826
11:34.10SunTigeri want it.
11:34.13Industrialmwahah thats also great
11:41.28Kasohttp://www.pbfcomics.com/archive/PBF024AD-Nice_T_Shirt.jpg
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12:14.14NeeblerI'd totally wear a pink unicorn shirt, and flaunt it in a totally heterosexual way
12:15.14JunkHead-WorkHmm...
12:15.20JunkHead-WorkI don't know about pink.
12:15.24JunkHead-WorkBut light blue maybe.
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12:43.12ShirikCan someone explain the genius's reason behind placing a timer on the forums?
12:43.19ShirikI can understand a timer for threads and posts
12:43.25Shirikbut why can you only EDIT one post every 60 seconds
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12:43.59nymbiai thought you could edit whenever but it reset your post cooldown
12:44.40Shirikapparently not
12:44.44ShirikI tried to edit with 20s left
12:44.51Shirikand it's all like "noooo screw you man"
12:45.15nymbialol
12:45.52Shirikman I'm still psyched we got netherspite down last night omg
12:45.57Shirikit's the first time we faced him...
12:46.10Shirikfirst prince and first netherspite last night, it was hot
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13:11.45Shiriktessst
13:12.14Shiriks/te(s)+t/test/
13:12.29Shirikboo, no regexes :(
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13:26.28krkas/sss/s/ isnt complicated enough for you?
13:26.47krkaor even: "test"
13:27.05krkaoh wait, you were just testing the bot
13:35.47Shirikkrka: yeah just testing ><
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13:39.32foxlit>>> SavedVariables.rs = function(a,b,c) return a ^ b % c; end
13:39.32Cidefoxlit: nil
13:40.58foxlit>>> tonumber("c9dba6da02264f95",16)
13:40.58Cidefoxlit: 4294967295
13:41.12foxlit>>> tonumber("c9dba6da02264f95",16) > 2^32
13:41.13Cidefoxlit: false
13:43.17foxlit>>> r = SavedVariables.rs(5, tonumber("bb21da67119481f1", 16), tonumber("c9dba6da02264f95",16)); print(SavedVariables.rs(r, tonumber("10001", 16), tonumber("bb21da67119481f1",16)))
13:43.18Cidefoxlit: -1.#IND
13:43.29foxlit>>> type(SavedVariables.rs)
13:43.29Cidefoxlit: "function"
13:50.18Shirikpoor foxlit :(
13:56.17foxlit>>> string.gsub("random non-hexadecimal stuff","[^%x]","")
13:56.17Cidefoxlit: "adeadecaff",  18
13:56.51krkaCide: ooh... you look to see if the line starts without return, and if so, add it?
13:57.07foxlit>>> a = true; tostring(a);
13:57.08Cidefoxlit: nil
13:57.11krka>>> 1,2,3
13:57.11Cidekrka: 1,  2,  3
13:57.13Cidekinda
13:57.22krka>>> return
13:57.22Cidekrka: nil
13:57.34krka>>> --[[
13:57.35Cidekrka: [string "--[["]:1: unfinished long comment near '<eof>'
13:57.38Shirikkrka: correct
13:57.39krka>>> --[[]]
13:57.39Cidekrka: nil
13:57.44Cideif the input errors on its own, I create another function with return in front
13:57.55krkaah i see
13:58.05krkamath.sin(1)
13:58.08krka>>> math.sin(1)
13:58.08Cidekrka: 0.8414709848079
13:58.11krka>>> = math.sin(1)
13:58.12Cidekrka: math.sin(1):1: unexpected symbol near '='
13:58.16krka>>> return math.sin(1)
13:58.17Cidekrka: 0.8414709848079
13:58.22Cide>>> math.sin(2*math.pi)
13:58.22CideCide: -2.4492935982947e-016
13:58.27Cidenice
13:58.29Shirikummm
13:58.30Shirikoh
13:58.30krkawhy would "math.sin(1)" error on its own?
13:58.32Shirike-016
13:58.39Shirikbecause you put an = in front of it
13:58.48Shirikcide's interpreter doesn't follow that syntax
13:58.50krkathat's not the test i said
13:58.55krka15:57:53 <krka> >>> = math.sin(1)
13:59.00krkaoops
13:59.01Shirikyeah
13:59.03Shirik:P
13:59.05krka15:57:50 <krka> >>> math.sin(1)
13:59.09krkathat one
13:59.14CideCide> krka: 0.8414709848079
13:59.15Shirik09:58:42 ‹krka› >>> math.sin(1)
13:59.15Shirik09:58:43 ‹+Cide› krka: 0.8414709848079
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13:59.43Shirikomg the CIA's here
13:59.44Shirikrun!
13:59.52krkamath.sin(1) doesn't error, so cide shouldn't return anything there
14:00.45Cideoh
14:00.45Shirikit becomes return math.sin(1)
14:00.45Shirik?
14:00.46CideI think it checks if there's a return too
14:00.46Cidereturned value, that is
14:00.46krkathis behaviour seems more likely: first try to prepend "return ", if it errors, then it tries without return
14:00.46Shirikthat's what I think you did Cide
14:00.46Shirikiirc
14:00.46Shirikadded "return" if the result was nil
14:00.47Shirikand tried that
14:00.51Shirik(or error)
14:01.02krka(function() end)()
14:01.04krka>>>(function() end)()
14:01.04Cidekrka: nil
14:01.05Cidetimes when it attempts to prepend the return statement: 1) function errors, 2) the function doesn't return anything (using "return" or "print")
14:01.07Cideiirc
14:01.25Cide>>> function() end
14:01.25CideCide: function: 007CFD40
14:01.27krkai think my idea is better :P
14:01.36ShirikI don't like it :P
14:01.40Shirikwhat if I did
14:02.21Shirik>>> loadstring("print(\"Hi!\"); return 2;")()
14:02.21CideShirik: "Hi!"
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14:02.30Shirikyour method would say 2, no?
14:02.43krkanope
14:02.56Shirikyou're saying prepend return and check if it errors
14:02.58Cideit would
14:02.59Shirik>>> return loadstring("print(\"Hi!\"); return 2;")()
14:03.00CideShirik: 2
14:03.26krkahmm
14:04.06Shirikhowever, Cide's current method also allows for correct interpretation of
14:04.12Shirik>>> return loadstring("return 2;")()
14:04.12CideShirik: 2
14:04.14Shirikoop
14:04.19Shirik>>> loadstring("return 2;")()
14:04.19CideShirik: 2
14:04.24Shirik:)
14:05.30krkaok i am confused nwo
14:05.43Josh_Borkei like pie
14:05.45krka>>> loadstring("print(\"Hi!\"); return 2;")()
14:05.45Cidekrka: "Hi!"
14:05.54krkawhy doesn't that say the return value?
14:05.58krka>>> return loadstring("print(\"Hi!\"); return 2;")()
14:05.58Cidekrka: 2
14:06.00Cidebecause it has a return value
14:06.01ShirikBecause there's a print
14:06.10Shirikso "return" is never prepended
14:06.22krkaoh, it checks for empty output?
14:06.27Cideyes
14:06.31Cidetimes when it attempts to prepend the return statement: 1) function errors, 2) the function doesn't return anything (using "return" or "print")
14:06.52krka>>> return print"hi"
14:06.53Cidekrka: "hi"
14:06.55krka>>> print"hi"
14:06.55Cidekrka: "hi"
14:07.00krka>>> return print"hi", 1
14:07.00Cidekrka: nil,  1
14:07.10Shirikprint() doesn't return anything
14:07.13krkai know
14:07.22ShirikI think it should
14:07.26Cide>>> return print"hi" is an interesting case though
14:07.37Cidemaybe it should return its input?
14:07.42ShirikI totally think I'm going to hook DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage
14:07.45Shirikto return a 1
14:07.48Shirikand see if anything breaks
14:07.57krkawhy not print both output and return values?
14:08.11Shirikprobably because Cide never considered it :P
14:08.31krkai am still not sure why my prepend first-strategy would fail
14:08.43Cideprint was more of a lazy way of doing:
14:08.53krka>>> print"hi"print"bye"
14:08.53Cidekrka: "hi",  "bye"
14:09.02krka>>> print"\n\n\n\n\n\n\n"print"bye"
14:09.03Cide>>> local result = { }; for i = 1, 10, 1 do tinsert(result, i); end return unpack(result)
14:09.03CideCide: 1,  2,  3,  4,  5,  6,  7,  8,  9,  10
14:09.03Cidekrka: "\n\n\n\n\n\n\n",  "bye"
14:09.13Cide>>> for i = 1, 10, 1 do print(i); end
14:09.14CideCide: 1,  2,  3,  4,  5,  6,  7,  8,  9,  10
14:09.31krka>>> for i=1,1000 do print"hi" end
14:09.31Cidekrka: "hi",  "hi",  "hi",  "hi",  "hi",  "hi",  "hi",  "hi",  "hi",  "hi",  "hi",  "hi",  "hi",  "hi",  "hi",  "hi",  "hi",  "hi",  "hi",  "hi",  "hi",  "hi",  "hi",  "hi",  "hi",  "hi",  "hi",  "hi",  "hi"... (exceeded 200 characters)
14:09.41sysrageheh
14:09.41Shirikyou know
14:09.44krka>>> for i=1,1e10 do print"hi" end
14:09.48Shirikclad|sleep would kill you if he saw print"hi"
14:09.49Cidekrka: maximum execution time (5s) exceeded
14:09.55foxlit>>> strlen("(exceeded 200 characters)")
14:09.56Cidefoxlit: 25
14:10.02foxlitconservative!
14:10.12Shirikconservative?
14:10.52foxlitJudging by people responding to my numbers listing yesterday, most IRC clients truncate at 256 bytes?
14:11.25Shirikoh
14:11.28Shirikyeah
14:11.40ShirikHey um... so like there's this thread on the wow forums "Why doesn't everyone use curse gaming?"
14:11.50Shirikand curse is totally getting wrecked
14:11.54foxlitDrat, foiled again!
14:12.03Shirik200 is nice, I like it :)
14:12.09Shirikbesides, there are other things to consider
14:12.12Shirikthe , the "
14:12.24foxlitI take it those are included.
14:12.26Shirikstrlen[["hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi"...]]
14:12.30Shirik>>> strlen[["hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi"...]]
14:12.30CideShirik: 175
14:12.32foxlitOn second thought, so is the nick.
14:12.48Cidedon't think nick is included
14:13.00Cidethat information is not available to the lua instance, so python prepends that
14:13.07Shirik>>> strlen[["hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi", "hi"... (exceeded 200 characters)]]
14:13.07CideShirik: 201
14:13.11Shirikthere you go
14:13.14krka>>> ("/-\|"):rep(64)
14:13.14Cidekrka: "/-|/-|/-|/-|/-|/-|/-|/-|/-|/-|/-|/-|/-|/-|/-|/-|/-|/-|/-|/-|/-|/-|/-|/-|/-|/-|/-|/-|/-|/-|/-|/-|/-|/-|/-|/-|/-|/-|/-|/-|/-|/-|/-|/-|/-|/-|/-|/-|/-|/-|/-|/-|/-|/-|/-|/-|/-|/-|/-|/-|/-|/-|/-|/-|"
14:13.25krka>>> ("/-\\|"):rep(64)
14:13.25Cidekrka: "/-\\|/-\\|/-\\|/-\\|/-\\|/-\\|/-\\|/-\\|/-\\|/-\\|/-\\|/-\\|/-\\|/-\\|/-\\|/-\\|/-\\|/-\\|/-\\|/-\\|/-\\|/-\\|/-\\|/-\\|/-\\|/-\\|/-\\|/-\\|/-\\|/-\\|/-\\|/-\\|/-\\|/-\\|/-\\|/-\\|/-\\|/-\\|/-\\|/-\\... (exceeded 200 characters)
14:13.27Shirikok I'll stop spamming Cide now ^^;
14:13.33sysragewhy's curse getting wrecked?
14:13.58Shirikvarious things people are saying
14:14.00Shirikreasons not to use it
14:14.14Shirikmost revolve around either the UI sucks, it takes too long to find anything, or they change their site layout every 2 days
14:14.14foxlitmost of those are silly
14:14.55Shirikfyi
14:15.03ShirikMaking a log file for an application is fricking awesome
14:15.07Shirikbut when it's over 50k lines
14:15.11Shirikyour IDE doesn't like it anymore
14:15.22foxlitnotepad: the IDE if tomorrow!
14:15.28foxlits/if/of/
14:15.59foxlitI wonder how closely Careinn screens the addons.
14:16.14Shirikactually notepad crashes too
14:16.23Shirikmy IDE isn't crashing just... here let me show you
14:16.24foxlitYeah, that gets unstable at around 200MB
14:16.46foxlitClose enough to catch a DestroyAllGearAndBuyVendorGraysToBlowAllGold() call?
14:20.08Shirikhttp://img409.imageshack.us/my.php?image=logfiletb7.jpg
14:20.17Shirikbtw it takes forever to scroll
14:20.44Shirikoh
14:20.46Shirikand at the bottom
14:21.01Shirikit totally says current position is line 1, character 7308363
14:21.20Shirik(column 7308363)
14:21.46foxlitIs there a slight chance that you forgot to add newlines? :)
14:21.54Shiriker... no
14:22.00Shirikit was working until just now
14:22.05Shirikthen I scrolled down
14:22.09Shirikand all of a sudden everything was line 1
14:22.31Shirikthese 50k lines are about 2 months of testing so
14:22.59Thunder_Chil2making your own updater?
14:23.27ShirikI have been for a while, now
14:23.34ShirikI think we went over this two months ago or something ><
14:23.40Thunder_Childsweet sweet creamy goodnedd
14:23.42Thunder_Childness*
14:23.46Thunder_Childoh..well....
14:23.52Thunder_Child~bitchslap Thunder_Child
14:24.03purlACTION beats the sh*t out of Thunder_Child
14:24.03Shirikhehe
14:24.58Thunder_Childwell if you need any beta testers let me know
14:25.01Thunder_Child/alpha
14:25.33sysrageshirik is yours gonna do multiple mod sites? i forget
14:25.43Thunder_Childdoesnt look like it
14:25.49Shirikone thing at a time, at the very least
14:25.50Thunder_Childsays wowiupdater
14:25.56Shirikthe name has actually changed
14:26.04ShirikI just don't feel like going through each file and updating the package name
14:26.06foxlitWonder why WoW XML schema is so insistant on that many sublevels for things like Size or Offset
14:26.28foxlit<Size x="5" y="10"/> <Anchor offx="" offxy=""/> would've been so much more awesome
14:26.41sysragegotta say, no matter how uber an updater is, i don't wanna run a ton of them. i'm lovin WUU cause it does them all
14:27.11Thunder_Childreally...WUU doesnt work at all for me
14:27.17sysrageworks perfectly for me
14:27.20ShirikWUU doesn't do ui.worldofwar anymore hehe
14:27.37sysragenone of my mods are on uiwow though :)
14:27.38Shirikor did they undo that block they added?
14:27.43sysragei think it's still blocked
14:28.03foxlitDoes WUU accept code contributions?
14:28.11sysrageprobably will be at least until after patch
14:28.18sysragefoxlit: probably. i don't know
14:28.20Shirik>>> (9^2+19^2/22)^(1/4)
14:28.20CideShirik: 3.1415926525826
14:28.29sysragethe author is pretty active on the wowace forums
14:28.48Shirikso..... thoughts?
14:28.50Shirikpatch tomorrow?
14:29.08sysragei sorta hope so.. but i also really don't want hypothermia *cry*
14:29.09foxlitHoping no.
14:29.19ShirikI'm hoping no cause I want some final tests on RDX
14:29.28ShirikI haven't been to PTR nearly as much as I should have been
14:29.39foxlitAll this crypto stuff has made me neglect RAB, and that doesn't end well.
14:29.47Shirikalso for the record, I just closed that log file.... and now I can't open it again :(
14:33.13zenzelezz<foxlit> <Size x="5" y="10"/> <-- I could swear I've used that somewhere without getting a complaint from WoW
14:33.33ShirikI could swear I used SetHeight(10) and SetWidth(5) without an error ^^
14:33.53zenzelezzhe didn't ask for those though
14:36.52Cideyou can use those, zenzelezz
14:37.12foxlitWell, that's part of my XML rant solved :)
14:37.12zenzelezzthat's sort of what I was getting at
14:37.23foxlitI wasn't sure.
14:37.36foxlitWhat about <Anchor offx="" offy=""/> ?
14:37.46Cideno
14:37.57Cide<Anchor><Offset x="" y=""/></Anchor> IIRC
14:38.18foxlitKeep on using AbsDimension in code for those :/
14:38.38Cidewhy? :)
14:38.53foxlitAddOn I stole first XML code from used them!
14:39.18ShirikClass time /disappear
14:39.21foxlit(plus notepad doesn't offer suggestions based on spec)
14:41.15foxlit>> a = coroutine.create(function() coroutine.yield(); return 5 end); print(a()); print(a());
14:41.37foxlit>> a = coroutine.create(function() coroutine.yield(); return 5 end); print(coroutine.resume(a)); print(coroutine.resume(a));
14:41.43foxlit>>> a = coroutine.create(function() coroutine.yield(); return 5 end); print(coroutine.resume(a)); print(coroutine.resume(a));
14:41.43Cidefoxlit: true,  true,  5
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14:58.36Industrialwarning; the most useless crap to ever hit the internet! http://zenhabits.net/2007/05/beginners-guide-to-cycling/
14:58.41Industriala beginners guide to cycling
14:58.47Industrialdubbywetee eff?
15:01.42TC-WaitingForNam*sigh* noting like coming in to work monday morning and seeing 589 trouble tickets
15:03.21foxlitWoah, broke devtools!
15:03.52foxlitIt can't serialize coroutines, apparently :P
15:04.08nevcairielheh
15:04.37foxlit./dump coroutine.create(function() end)
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15:14.04Industrial84% of women in survey say they've met new men by ass grinding in club
15:14.07Industrialell ohh ell
15:14.59foxlitBah, our civilization should've went with base16!
15:21.53TC-Workingbut we humans know base 10 intuitevly
15:22.01nevcairielnah
15:22.03TC-Workingbut not spelling either
15:22.09nevcairielonly because it was taught us that way
15:22.17nevcairielwe couldve learned on base16 from the start
15:22.18TC-Workingnope, 10 digits
15:22.21nevcairieland everything would be fine
15:22.47nevcairielthere are 10 digits because humans said there are 10
15:23.12TC-Workingnev, argure with the people that dd the studies
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15:23.19TC-Workingargue*
15:23.26TC-Workingdid*
15:23.30nevcairielheh
15:23.38TC-Workingwow...monday mornings >.<
15:23.40foxlitThing is, binary->dec->hex convert is too ugly
15:23.55nevcairieldo binary -> hex directly ? :p
15:24.00foxlitI do.
15:24.10foxlithex -> binary, actually, but that's beyond the point :)
15:24.22foxlitI do sometimes want either one of those to dec, and that gets messy
15:24.51nevcairielwrite a universal base calculator?
15:25.07nevcairielwhat would that be on base 30 *run function*
15:25.44foxlitnev, how would you convert between the bases?
15:26.51foxlitDoing hex->dec is messy, ends up in multiplication/addition pairs. dec->hex... modulo?
15:27.06foxlitWon't be fun on large numbers.
15:27.16nevcairieltrue, performance would suck
15:27.20nevcairieland yes, modulo
15:29.20nevcairielperiodictable uses a function to convert to base36 to save storage space for item ids
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15:29.58foxlitItem IDs only go to 32k anyway
15:31.27nevcairielthe uniqueid can get a bit larger iirc, but still small in comparison
15:32.10foxlitbase32 makes better sense anyway
15:32.16foxlitSince that gets you easier hex/binary conversion
15:32.27nevcairiel36 is just 26 chars and 10 digits
15:32.30nevcairielfor ascii output
15:32.39foxlitYeah, got that :)
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15:43.35foxlitIf you wanted to go with printable, base64 is probably more interesting :)
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15:44.21nevcairielhm
15:44.26nevcairiellower+upper+digits
15:44.32nevcairielis 62 for me .. what did you add ? :P
15:44.43foxlit=/
15:44.59foxlitRegular base64 encoding :)
15:45.04foxlitThink it uses a . as well
15:45.08nevcairielah
15:45.40nevcairielah its + and /
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15:48.26foxlita * b + c == c (mod b), right?
15:48.41foxlitwhole numbers
15:49.31Josh_Borkea mod b = c, yes
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16:31.29Shirik|Ecole-_-
16:31.35Shirik|EcoleI just sent an email to my aunt and signed it --Shirik
16:31.49Shirik|EcoleI wish there was a way to unsend an email :(
16:32.01sysragehaha
16:32.28nevcairielhehe
16:32.32zenzelezzI find recruitment posts that say "cleared Kara, killed Prince, working on Nightbane" amusing
16:32.34nevcairielknow their passowrd :P
16:32.44nevcairiel*password
16:32.59Shirik|Ecoleoop
16:33.39Shirik|Ecolewow, so this thing just turned on (I'm in cafeteria) CNN that a plane is needing to do an emergency landing without landing gear
16:33.49Shirik|Ecoleand... the entire room went silent
16:33.54Shirik|Ecoletotally shows what my school cares about :P
16:33.59Shirik|Ecoleyey for aerospace schools ^^
16:34.06nevcairielheh
16:34.54Shirik|Ecolebut yeah that really sucks...
16:34.57Shirik|Ecoleno landing gear
16:37.02TC-Workingthey get a foam landing
16:37.17TC-Workingheh, espresso the runway
16:37.20sysragethey cover the runway with nerf darts
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16:42.51Shirik|Ecolelol
16:43.03Shirik|Ecolehe should be fine though, so long as he can get the main gear back up
16:43.16Shirik|Ecolelanding with half down though really sucks, if he can't get it back up
16:43.26foxlitHm, so I tested my mod routine by picking a heckload of a,b,c and verifying a * b + c == c (mod b)
16:43.55Shirik|Ecoleand.........
16:43.59foxlitAnyone has bright ideas on how to test (a ^ b) % c without performing ^?
16:44.18Shirik|Ecolehm
16:44.27Shirik|Ecolecan you get x % c?
16:44.33foxlitYes
16:45.21foxlitnull result, it couldn't find a contradiction in about 15 minutes, which probably means its valid.
16:45.21Shirik|Ecolewhat about
16:45.21Kaydeethreeoh ouch. the gear's half-out? that's nasty
16:45.22Shirik|Ecolea - cn ^ b
16:45.24foxlit(and no picking a = {1, 0}!)
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16:45.33Shirik|Ecolewhere n is an element of counting numbers
16:45.37Shirik|Ecolerather
16:45.47Shirik|Ecolen is the largest counting number that satisfies (a-cn) > 0
16:45.59Shirik|Ecoleso the largest n such that a > cn
16:46.10Shirik|EcoleI wonder if that's correct
16:46.16Shirik|EcoleI didn't do the math I just did that in my head
16:46.36Shirik|EcoleI need to go back to my discrete book and look at mod rules...
16:46.54foxlitGranted a = b (mod c), a^n = b^n (mod c)
16:47.42Shirik|EcoleI think it's correct
16:47.52foxlitThat is indeed correct :)
16:47.56Shirik|EcoleI mean what I said
16:48.00Shirik|EcoleI know what you said is correct :P
16:49.35Kaydeethree<PROTECTED>
16:50.25Kaydeethreeoofh
16:50.30Shirik|Ecole>>> a,b,c = 1000, 983, 7; n = 142; assert((a-cn ^ b) % c == (a^b) % c)
16:50.30CideShirik|Ecole: [string "a,b,c = 1000, 983, 7; n = 142; assert((a-cn..."]:1: attempt to perform arithmetic on global 'cn' (a nil value)
16:50.34Kaydeethreeabout as clean of a landing as possible
16:50.52Shirik|Ecoleyeah that was pretty good
16:50.57Shirik|Ecole>>> a,b,c = 1000, 983, 7; n = 142; assert((a-c*n ^ b) % c == (a^b) % c)
16:50.58CideShirik|Ecole: [string "a,b,c = 1000, 983, 7; n = 142; assert((a-c*..."]:1: assertion failed!
16:52.19Shirik|Ecole>>> a,b,c = 1000, 983, 7; n = 142; print((a-c*n ^ b) % c, (a^b) % c)
16:52.19CideShirik|Ecole: -1.#IND,  -1.#IND
16:52.22Shirik|Ecole....
16:52.24Shirik|Ecoleyeah screw you lua
16:52.38Cidehahaha
16:52.40foxlit^ 983 was a bit optimistic
16:52.48Shirik|Ecoleyeah probably
16:52.49foxlitTry ^ 4
16:52.54Shirik|EcoleI just threw some random numbers in there
16:53.03Shirik|Ecole>>> a,b,c = 1000, 4, 7; n = 142; print((a-c*n ^ b) % c, (a^b) % c)
16:53.03CideShirik|Ecole: 6,  1
16:53.06Shirik|Ecole:(
16:53.51Shirik|Ecoleok we know...
16:54.05Shirik|Ecolea ^ b = n mod c
16:54.24Shirik|Ecolea ^ b ^ 1/b = n ^ 1/b (mod c) ?
16:54.46foxlitUnless you've got some clever way of picking, a,b such that you can compute n mod c, we only have a rather shaky algorithm for calculating
16:54.48Shirik|Ecolewtf am I doing :P
16:54.53foxlitIt works on a single 32-bit key, btw!
16:54.57Shirik|Ecoleyey!
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16:57.18TC-Workingyou know, if you think of cide as nothing but a bot, having one laugh at you is quite funny (09:51:01) (Shirik|Ecole) yeah screw you lua
16:57.18TC-Working(09:51:14) (+Cide) hahaha
16:57.37Shirik|Ecolelol
16:57.43zenzelezzbots laugh at you all the time
16:57.47zenzelezzexcept we call them NPCs
16:57.55Shirik|Ecolelol
16:57.56TC-Workingbah, thats scripted
16:58.37Shirik|EcoleI'm a tool
16:59.14Shirik|Ecole(a - (nc)^b) ^ b = x
16:59.21Shirik|Ecolegod that's ugly
16:59.59Shirik|Ecoleqq this is making me rethink my career path
17:00.54TC-Workinggoing to be a male gigolo?
17:01.04foxlitThere's one cute byproduct of all those
17:01.05Shirik|Ecoleyeah that's probably easier than this
17:01.06zenzelezz[2. Trade] [...] LFM Doomwalker... LF dps and healers.../w me... he drops epics 70 level only
17:01.18zenzelezzif you don't know who Doomwalker is, they probably don't want you anyhow
17:01.21foxlitI coded a cute UI taskmanager that runs coroutines selectively :P
17:01.28Shirik|Ecolezenzelezz: lol
17:01.41Shirik|Ecolefoxlit: I know what needs to be done
17:01.46Shirik|EcoleI just don't know a good way to do it...
17:02.16Shirik|Ecoleok
17:02.17Shirik|EcoleI think
17:02.19Shirik|Ecoleyou can do this
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17:03.13zenzelezzCide, you should make your semi-bot laugh at people automatically if their >>> generates errors
17:03.25Cidehaha, that'd be awesome
17:04.14ScytheBlade1Yay, SC2 gameplay video released
17:04.53foxlitDoes python kill lua if execution time is exceeded?
17:05.26Shirik|Ecoledo you think you can take the natural log of a?
17:05.46foxlitNope :(
17:08.28Shirik|Ecoleif so you would be ... well this would be ugly too
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17:08.29Shirik|Ecolee ^ blna = n (mod c)
17:08.29Cidefoxlit: no, lua kills itself
17:08.29Shirik|Ecoleuses debug hooks
17:08.29Shirik|Ecoleafter each line of code is executed, lua checks the amount of time it's taken
17:08.29foxlitSo I guess the most evil thing I could do to that is fork coroutines untill hell freezes over?
17:08.29Cidefoxlit: try it :)
17:08.29CideI have memory to spare
17:08.30Shirik|Ecolelua checks the amount of time after each line of code
17:08.30Shirik|Ecoleso unless you can use one statement to do it
17:08.30Shirik|Ecoleit will catch it and kill it
17:08.33foxlitThat's an interesting challenge.
17:08.46Shirik|Ecoleit's been done, I think I killed cide with it once
17:08.49Shirik|Ecolebut it was fixed
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17:09.55Mike-N-Go>>> do print("Hello world!") end
17:09.55CideMike-N-Go: "Hello world!"
17:09.57foxlit>>> a = function(a) coroutine.create(a); coroutine.resume(a); end coroutine.create(a); coroutine.resume(a)
17:09.57Cidefoxlit: [string "a = function(a) coroutine.create(a); corout..."]:1: bad argument #1 to 'resume' (coroutine expected)
17:10.11foxlit>>> a = function(a) coroutine.create(a); coroutine.resume(a); end b = coroutine.create(a); coroutine.resume(b, a)
17:10.11Cidefoxlit: nil
17:10.12Shirik|Ecoleif you really wanted to do something like that fox
17:10.38foxlit>>> a = function(a) b = coroutine.create(a); coroutine.resume(b, a); end b = coroutine.create(a); coroutine.resume(b, a)
17:11.06Mike-N-Gofoxlit, I think you mean:
17:11.13KirkburnAnyone have /any/ idea what this is referring to: http://azeroth.metblogs.com/archives/2007/05/a_tale_of_two_communities.phtml
17:11.13Mike-N-Go>>> a = function(a); b = coroutine.create(a); coroutine.resume(b, a); end b = coroutine.create(a); coroutine.resume(b, a)
17:11.26foxlit>>> print("I'm alive!")
17:11.29Shirik|EcoleMike-N-Go: That doesn't make sense :/
17:11.32XuerianMike-N-Go: No....
17:11.36Shirik|Ecolea = function(a); ?
17:11.42foxlitYes!
17:11.48Shirik|Ecolefoxlit did exactly what I was going to try
17:11.58Shirik|Ecolehave a function create a coroutine and start it, which only calls that coroutine
17:12.02Shirik|Ecolethat function*
17:12.16Xuerianrecursive coroutines? 0.o
17:12.21Shirik|Ecolesure :D
17:12.22foxlitMike: your and my code is identical :P
17:12.32Mike-N-Go';'
17:12.41foxlitDoesn't really matter :)
17:12.50Shirik|Ecoleyeah it does
17:12.53Shirik|Ecolethe semicolon is quite invalid
17:12.59foxlitAh, that one
17:13.13foxlitXuerian: it usually takes 5s for LUA to kill itself.
17:13.28Shirik|Ecole> a = function(a); b = coroutine.create(a); coroutine.resume(b, a); end b = coroutine.create(a); coroutine.resume(b, a)
17:13.28Shirik|Ecolestdin:1: unexpected symbol near ';'
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17:13.43foxlit> a = function(a) b = coroutine.create(a); coroutine.resume(b, a); end b = coroutine.create(a); coroutine.resume(b, a)
17:13.45XuerianXuerian: But that's one lua env, each coroutine you start creates a new one, doesn't it?
17:13.46Shirik|Ecolethat semicolon cannot be used
17:13.46foxlit? :)
17:13.55Xuerianr
17:13.56Xuerianer..
17:13.57Mike-N-Go'Near'? can we have more absolute locations, like what it is?
17:13.59foxlitYes, I was evil with passing refs
17:14.02Xuerianfoxlit: *
17:14.02XuerianXD
17:14.06Shirik|Ecoleholy crap
17:14.07Shirik|Ecolefoxlit
17:14.10Shirik|Ecolethat
17:14.13Shirik|Ecolecrashed my interpreter
17:14.16foxlit<3
17:14.17Shirik|Ecolenot lock it up
17:14.28Shirik|EcoleI wonder if that's what happened to Cide
17:14.31Shirik|Ecolethe interpreter crashed :P
17:14.40Shirik|Ecoleactually no his script spawns a new one I think every time
17:15.10Shirik|Ecoleanyway Mike-N-Go: it is giving you an absolute location
17:15.14Shirik|Ecolethe semicolon is invalid
17:15.25Shirik|Ecoleit only says "near" because it can only guess at the error
17:15.28Mike-N-GoWhat about.. if there are several ';'s?
17:15.30Shirik|Ecolebut usually it's correct
17:15.36Shirik|Ecoleit's the one after function(a)
17:15.51Shirik|Ecoleyou can only put a semicolon after a complete statement
17:15.59Shirik|Ecolea = function(a) is not a complete statement
17:16.04Shirik|Ecolebut a = function(a) ... end is
17:16.12Shirik|Ecoleso you could have a semicolon after the "end" if you wanted
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17:16.27Josh_Borkesemicolon does not a linebreak make
17:16.43Shirik|Ecoleeven though Lua says semicolons are ignored
17:16.44Shirik|Ecolethey aren't
17:16.49Shirik|Ecolethey are just optional
17:16.56Shirik|Ecolebut there are very specific places they can go
17:17.46foxlitHm, still makes me wonder what happened to cide
17:18.04Shirik|EcoleI"m serious, when I typed that into the interpreter
17:18.06Shirik|Ecolethe window just immediately closed
17:18.16Shirik|Ecoleno nothing :P
17:18.41Josh_Borkelol
17:18.45foxlitHah
17:18.48foxlitDoes the same to WoW
17:18.54Shirik|EcoleI wonder if that's a bug in lua
17:18.59Shirik|Ecoleit shouldn't crash like that
17:19.11Shirik|Ecolewas there an error returned in wow?
17:19.15foxlitNo
17:19.23foxlitIt quit faster than it would even if you ALT+F4'ed it
17:19.24Shirik|Ecolei mean like the little error 132 or whatever
17:19.27Shirik|Ecoleha
17:19.48foxlitI guess that's a neat little shortcut to quickly kill it, but it's still odd
17:19.56Shirik|EcoleI would say it's a stack overflow, but...
17:20.05Shirik|EcoleI would expect a segmentation fault or something if that happened
17:21.03Shirik|EcoleHeaded back to room bbiab
17:24.17Cidefoxlit:
17:24.17CideMike-N-Go:
17:24.17Cidefoxlit: "I'm alive!"
17:24.22Mike-N-GoCide: Yay.
17:24.42Cidehi, I was afk!
17:24.42zenzelezzCide invented a time machine
17:24.46Josh_Borkelol
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17:25.28foxlitHm, do infinite loops faster!
17:25.36foxlit>>> while 1 do end
17:25.41Cidefoxlit: maximum execution time (5s) exceeded
17:26.10zenzelezz"It's so fast, it can do an infinite loop in 30 seconds"
17:26.15foxlit>>> a = function(a) return a(a) end; a(a);
17:26.21Cidefoxlit: maximum execution time (5s) exceeded
17:26.34foxlitSo you only don't like coroutines? :)
17:26.52CideI'm guessing that's a lua thing
17:27.00Cidebut ya, my interpreter crashed on the coroutine thing
17:27.37Shirik|AFKthat's definitely a lua thing
17:28.01Shirikconsidering wow does it too
17:28.04Shirikor anything for that matter
17:28.11Shirikdid anyone ask in #lua?
17:28.28foxlitThere's a #lua?
17:28.28foxlit:)
17:29.20kergoth#lua is a good channel, clueful folks in there.  lhf even drops by on occasion
17:29.31Bam__yup, it's got some pretty good Lua experts hanging around from time to time
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17:32.52Mike-N-GoI been idling in #llua forever =]
17:33.16Mike-N-Go#lua *
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17:37.33Cide>>>  a = function(a) b = coroutine.create(a); coroutine.resume(b, a); end b = coroutine.create(a); coroutine.resume(b, a)
17:37.42CideCide:
17:39.30foxlit>>> return "hi"
17:39.31Cidefoxlit: "hi"
17:39.58foxlit>>> a = function(a) return coroutine.resume(coroutine.create(a), a); end coroutine.resume(coroutine.create(a), a)
17:40.02Bam__now you crashed Cide :P
17:40.15foxlitboo! hiss!
17:40.30Shirikcongrats foxlit
17:40.32Mike-N-Go>>> print("Mike-N-Go is leaving, he says \'goodbye!\'")
17:40.33Shirikyou found a bug in lua :D
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17:40.37*** mode/#wowi-lounge [+v Cide] by ChanServ
17:40.37Shirikthis is the issue: Unhandled exception at 0x7c918231 in Lua.exe: 0xC00000FD: Stack overflow.
17:40.45foxlitYeah, I joined #lua :)
17:40.51Bam__maybe he tried to hand-run the code :P
17:41.17foxlitCide seemed to get himself a blank response, though
17:41.23foxlit[19:37] <Cide> >>>  a = function(a) b = coroutine.create(a); coroutine.resume(b, a); end b = coroutine.create(a); coroutine.resume(b, a)
17:41.23foxlit[19:37] <Cide> Cide:
17:41.30CideI wasn't afk that time :P
17:41.36Cideit returned once I closed the interpreter
17:42.24Shirikone could postulate
17:42.30Bam__oh didn't know you were a semi-bot :P
17:42.33foxlitHere's a distilled evil version: a = function(a) return coroutine.resume(coroutine.create(a), a); end coroutine.resume(coroutine.create(a), a)
17:42.38Shirikthat exploiting this stack overflow correctly
17:42.47Shirikcould result in the execution of arbitrary code...
17:42.52CideBam__: I do my best!
17:42.54Shirikbut I think it would be extremely difficult to do
17:43.02foxlitPointless, too
17:43.11foxlitWarden, WoW, stuff
17:43.16Shirikwarden wouldn't hit anything
17:43.26Shirikit's valid lua code (sorta)
17:43.29Shirikit's executing as an addon
17:43.41Bam__well if the game just exits, is there much to exploit?
17:43.50Shirikwell see, the game isn't just "exiting"
17:43.51Shirikit's crashing
17:43.54Bam__I admit I'm not much of a hacker :P
17:44.01Shirikstack overflow followed ... phone brb
17:44.16Bam__yes but only on your computer
17:46.20Bam__>>> if Cide_is_a_bot then print("YES") else print("NO") end
17:46.20CideBam__: "NO"
17:46.24Bam__:D
17:46.55Cide>>> print(({ "Cide is a bot", "Cide is not a bot" })[math.random(1, 2)])
17:46.55CideCide: "Cide is not a bot"
17:47.03Bam__:D :D
17:47.47foxlit>>> print(({ "Cide is a bot", "Cide is not a bot" })[math.random(1, 2)])
17:47.48Cidefoxlit: "Cide is a bot"
17:47.57foxlitnon-deterministic math.random :/
17:48.17Bam__indecisive bot!
17:48.42Bam__must be artificial intelligence
17:48.48Shirikok so
17:48.50Shirikas I was saying
17:49.02foxlit00befb7d74bb49f05d076ae2b944ace66192838ddfa7c463f03f2bc835d70a755f7f8e0793b05dfafc54a503226d399cabaa0dcfb3a9795119a3becf9922b7482b => dec, anyone?
17:49.04Shirikif there is a stack overflow, that's the first step to injecting arbitrary code
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17:49.25foxlit>>> tonumber("10001",16)
17:49.26Cidefoxlit: 65537
17:49.31Shirikreason being, you can jump to a random segment of code. Typically you'll have a nop sled around that location, and then followed by either shellcode or whatever you want to do
17:49.46Bam__ok well I've heard about it.. but mainly in terms of attacks on firewalls and stuff
17:49.56Shirikthe issue would be trying to figure out exactly how to get far enough
17:50.08ShirikI could try to fuzz it now but I'm lazy so
17:50.36Bam__but since you have the program on your computer, would it not be easier to simply patch the code?
17:50.46Shirikfirst step is finding it :P
17:50.49*** mode/#wowi-lounge [+v Kaelten] by ChanServ
17:51.03Shirikbesides, patching lua on my side means nothing... I'm really talking about a wow standpoint here
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17:51.09Shirikif someone executes a malicious addon, that could be bad
17:51.16ShirikBut at the current time I'm not worried... at all
17:51.25Bam__oh on another person's computer you mean
17:51.26Shirikthat is going to be extremely difficult to exploit, if possible at all
17:51.32Cideif so, I'll have blizzard sue foxlit!
17:51.32Shirikyeah
17:51.38Shirikrofl
17:51.59ShirikI'm totally going to type that script into guild chat though
17:52.01Shirikand watch what happens
17:52.06Shirik(yes I'm evil)
17:52.21Bam__to get people to run it?
17:52.22foxlitI'm sure there are easier ways to crash wow?
17:52.37Shirikyeah, /script quit() but there's nobody stupid enough to do that ><
17:52.53Bam__<PROTECTED>
17:53.01Shirikpsh
17:53.05ShirikI'm their site programmer
17:53.09Shirikand they can't live without RDX
17:53.14Shirikso between those two I have job security
17:53.15Bam__hehe
17:53.47foxlitMeh, hijack CA code and codesign away! :P
17:54.23foxlitWell, interesting
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17:57.22Shirikhm
17:57.24Shirik3 people logged off
17:57.32Shirikand considering only 7 were logged on I think that's pretty good
17:57.45Bam__lol
17:58.05Shirikthey trust me way too much >:-D
17:58.11Bam__what did you tell them the script did?
17:58.22ShirikI just told them it was this cool script we just discovered
17:58.27Shirikdidn't say anything about what it did ^^;
17:58.38Josh_Borkelol
17:58.40Bam__:D
17:58.41Josh_Borkeevil :-P
17:58.56Mr_Rabies2Any signs of 2.1 hitting tuesday? :O
17:59.23Josh_Borkes/tuesday/tomorrow/
17:59.26foxlit2868028656657024814978542023307373830672080780 ^ 2856255459167711664288634273999344412930741825 % 4275367234656979956845454404629294250412990763
17:59.27foxlitboo!
17:59.42Shirik1.#INF
17:59.47Shirik:D
18:00.01Bam__oh a new channel?
18:00.11Shirik?
18:00.16Bam__#INF
18:00.16Shirikno
18:00.19foxlitGood part is that gnugmp agrees with me on 255 ^ 65537 % 4275367234656979956845454404629294250412990763
18:00.24Shirik1.#INF is lua's "huge"
18:00.27Shirik>>> return math.huge
18:00.27Bam__one you can never leave
18:00.28CideShirik: 1.#INF
18:00.35foxlitmath.huge == 2^2048
18:00.38Shirik>>> return 2^80934853
18:00.38CideShirik: 1.#INF
18:00.45foxlit>>> return 2^1024
18:00.46Cidefoxlit: 1.#INF
18:00.49foxlitthat, in fact
18:00.53foxlitmath.huge == 2^1024
18:01.01foxlit>>> return 2^1023
18:01.01Cidefoxlit: 1.#INF
18:01.02Cidefoxlit: 8.9884656743116e+307
18:01.24foxlit>>> return "echo"
18:01.24Cidefoxlit: "echo"
18:01.24Cidefoxlit: "echo"
18:02.13Josh_Borke>>> "echo echo"
18:02.14CideJosh_Borke: "echo echo"
18:02.14CideJosh_Borke: "echo echo"
18:02.20Josh_Borke>>> "flood flood"
18:02.20CideJosh_Borke: "flood flood"
18:02.25Shirik....
18:02.43Josh_Borke>>> print("flood 1"); print("flood 2"); return "flood"
18:02.43CideJosh_Borke: "flood"
18:02.45Bam__>>> error("STOP")
18:02.45CideBam__: "flood"
18:02.45CideBam__: [string "error("STOP")"]:1: STOP
18:02.55Josh_Borkelol
18:03.21Bam__why did I get "flood" reply?
18:03.31foxlitIs this the part where I get to swing in on a rope and crash both instances of Cide's interpreter?
18:03.39Cidehm
18:03.40Shirikuh
18:03.43Cideyou should've said something :P
18:03.43ShirikCide will probably shoot you
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18:04.23Josh_Borke>>> "lol, fixed"
18:04.24CideJosh_Borke: "lol, fixed"
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18:09.14foxlithttp://wowi.pastey.net/37220
18:09.44Mikmacan anyone show me an addon that uses Dropdown box with inputbox?
18:09.49foxlitSmall but important function - did I manage to mess it up? :)
18:09.58foxlitMikma: practically any ace thing
18:10.10foxlitCan try Prat or grid if you want
18:10.12Mikmafoxlit: i should have said that "no ace or dewdrop"
18:10.14Cideoh god
18:10.16CideDON'T
18:10.18CideDO THAT
18:10.19Cideplease
18:10.25Mikmasince i don't use libraries :O
18:10.31foxlitIt's an extremely bad design decision
18:10.32CideMikma: bad stance :)
18:10.43Cidebut yes, edit boxes in dropdowns are horrible
18:10.51Cidein fact, any type of widget in dropdowns = horrible
18:10.52Josh_Borkeyea, i'm not a big fan of them
18:10.56Mikmayeah :(
18:11.15Mikmaerr i'll show where i need it: http://mikma-wow.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/xlifes/xlifes.lua
18:11.32Josh_Borkehave it set through a slash command
18:11.35Mikmai need a smart way of pasting stuff that can be directed to party/raid/say/channel/whisper
18:11.49Mikmawith keybind it's really hard to paste stuff in whisper :O
18:12.02Mikmabut with macro it's completely different thing
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18:15.37MikmaCide: so, got anything else that i could use to write targetname and paste stuff than editbox and dropdown?
18:16.01CideI haven't looked at the code
18:16.13Josh_BorkeMikma: input template
18:16.15Mikmawell i just need something where i can write name and press "ok"
18:16.18Josh_Borkeone sec
18:16.29Mikmainput template will propably work
18:17.07Josh_Borkehttp://www.wowwiki.com/HOWTO:_Popup_Simple_Dialog_Boxes
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18:17.31Mikmahmm yes. that will do. thanks borge
18:18.07Josh_Borke<PROTECTED>
18:19.00Josh_Borkeand yes, input boxes in dropdowns are
18:19.02Josh_Borkeugly
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18:19.23Mikmayeah i know but it's propably the only smart way of doing this :(
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19:08.11Mr_Rabies2baggins is simply awesome :O
19:12.55foxlitIs there a limit to how many characters I can show in an editbox? Is it customizable?
19:15.31TC-Workinghttp://www.joystiq.com/media/2006/10/mii.swf
19:15.46Josh_Borkecustomizable
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19:54.06Mr_Rabies2Xuerian
19:54.15Mr_Rabies2thank you for suggesting baggins :O
19:54.16Josh_Borkeclad|sleep:
19:54.22XuerianMr_Rabies: :)
19:54.27Josh_Borkeoh, i tohught we were just naming random nicks
19:55.09TC-Working"/random $nick"
19:55.27TC-Workingdoesnt work though :(
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20:18.55GeoManceHrm...
20:21.19GeoManceHaving no answers sucks. xD
20:21.34TC-Workingso does having all the answers
20:21.55GeoManceI would assume so, but I only need one viable one. xD
20:22.01TC-Workingheh
20:23.17Endhmm
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20:23.56GeoManceWhat, End?
20:24.01GeoManceHello, Calliee.
20:24.04EndI was just hmming.
20:24.16GeoManceHeh.
20:24.21Endmostly because my irc client was being weird. :P
20:24.34GeoManceIRC clients normally are.
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20:30.48Neeblerdoes anyone think this is a good idea? bump it if so
20:30.49Neeblerhttp://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=104496066&sid=1
20:33.24foxlitTbh, no.
20:33.51foxlitDamagemeters are mostly epeen, and as such serve no real purpose
20:34.23Neebleryou dont think a damagemeter becoming official would help bad players in a big way?
20:34.44GeoManceNothing helps bad players. >.>
20:34.46foxlitNo, there's no cure for sucking.
20:35.01NeeblerPointing out to someone "hey you're 10k behind the other rogue, pick it up, or ask him for advise"
20:35.11zenzelezzdamage meters aren't much use with new encounters
20:35.40Neeblerwell the damage meter would be shown after a boss is dead
20:35.49zenzelezzwhat for?
20:35.49foxlitYou can already do that, no?
20:35.50GeoManceAnd regardless, too many variables there. Different specs, different equips.
20:35.54Kasoi thought you could already alter combat log range?
20:36.04zenzelezzthreat meters would be more useful, but I don't think those should be made either
20:36.09Kasoeither way increasing it only leads to worse performance on clients
20:36.23Cidenot really in instances, Kaso
20:36.24KaydeethreeI severely disagree with the use of threatmeters
20:36.25NeeblerGeomance: damage output is raw data. specs and equipment is irrelivent
20:36.47foxlitPheer my 510k damage versus critters. Pheer it!
20:37.08zenzelezzKaydeethree: yeah, but they're a better over-all indication than damage meters, unless you're only looking to compare people of the same class
20:37.09GeoManceI meant, that comparing two people's damages..
20:37.10Neeblerthat can be filtered
20:37.21foxlitToo much trouble, too little benefit
20:37.38Kaydeethreethat and it's not like klhtm is accurate any more... when was the last time it had a real use? spank-n-tanks in MC?
20:37.55KasoKaydeethree, in the modern raid game threat the bosses are almost built around threat meters, when bosses oneshot raids due to a person being 1pt of threat over the tank, (whilst also being a dps race) they cant expect you to "just guess"
20:37.57Neeblertoo much trouble? theres one already implimented into the game
20:38.10Neeblerpvp scoreboard
20:38.31foxlitWhy bother adapting it?
20:38.49CideKaso: not really
20:39.12zenzelezzKaso: it's a personal opinion, but where's the fun if you can't go wrong? Might as well just give you the epics at the entrance then
20:39.25Kaydeethreeyes, but people said the same thing about decursive before 2.0 and all of the assholish fights in naxx (read: Noth)
20:39.56KasoWhen the build a mechanic that punishes players for doing something there is no external way they can know (ie knowing if they have more threat than MT on prince, thus tank gets enfeebled) it suggests to me like they expect you to know
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20:40.05Neeblerimagine huhuran with cloak of shadows now
20:40.17foxlitNo, it seems they expect the tank and DPS to do a decent job
20:40.31foxlitGiven similar gear, nobody should have trouble keeping aggro on Prince.
20:40.58zenzelezzKaso: to me it just says they don't want people to farm them
20:41.39Kaydeethreemal's a bad fight anyway. luck-based fights suck. we've had kara on farm for months and we still wiped a few times last night
20:41.58foxlitBesides, the silliest aspect of the Prince encounter is the infernal landing spots, not enfeeble threat.
20:44.05KasoPrince is only and example, gruul, it' a dps race, but the dps has to keep below the off-tank's threat, even though there are no external signs if/when the go over that.
20:44.18Endon melee has to stay below offtank
20:44.19Endonly*
20:44.30Cidegruul is not a dps race really
20:44.31Endsince only melee can be hit by the hurtful strike
20:44.51foxlitOnce again, melee offtank should be able to produce enough threat to stop rogues from dying.
20:44.54Kasook, melee still they're punishing you for something that is unknowable without threat meters
20:45.07Cideif everyone stays alive you can kill him in 14 grows easily without racing for dps, not using consumables
20:45.16Cideno no
20:45.55Cideit's not "unknowable", you just don't have the hard numbers
20:46.04Cidebig difference
20:47.15Cidethreat meters are far from necessary. sure, they help, but you'd be surprised how easy it is to feel how much threat you're building compared to the tank if you actually try it for a while
20:47.37EndI find it varies a lot on the tank on how much threat they can generate
20:47.50Cidewell of course
20:48.00Cidebut you're not picking up random tanks for raids, are you?
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20:48.06Cideyou use the same few every week
20:48.15Endwe've had a to pick up a few new tanks
20:48.22Cidethat's irrelevant though
20:48.38Endwell, it definitely puts a dent in our raiding :P
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20:49.00Cidethat's unrelated to threat meters anyway
20:49.27End(thunderfury still seems to make an absurd amount of difference too)
20:50.15Kaydeethreeit shouldn't with the tf debuff nerf...
20:50.38EndI don't know...maybe our thunderfuryless tanks just suck :P
20:51.18NeeblerThey could essentially impliment a form of a threat meter into the game without actually having a full blown UI. Subtle animations or debuffs could let you know, for specific encounters only, such as Gruul
20:51.56Neeblerthat would be way more realistic
20:51.57Industrialhttp://koen.it/~tom/stepmania/screenshots/screen00003.jpg
20:51.58Industrialzing AAA score \o/
20:51.59EndI think it's very good they have added more aggro drops to classes
20:52.10Endlike Invisibility for mages and Soul Shatter for warlocks
20:52.30Josh_Borkenothing for spriest :-(
20:52.50Neeblerf-f-f-faaade
20:52.51Endnothing useful for shadow priest you mean :P
20:53.19Neeblerthe epic trinket you buy from keepers of time exalted
20:53.35Neeblertemporal charm, or something named like that
20:53.38Josh_Borkethose trinkets suck ass
20:53.42Endyeah
20:53.45Endthey do
20:53.46Josh_BorkeALL of them
20:53.54Josh_Borkewouldn't be so bad if you could use it more than once a f ight
20:53.56Industrialo_O
20:54.04IndustrialJosh_Borke: you are.. weird :D
20:54.09Endthe keepers of time is the best, and it still only does like 1-2k threat
20:54.12Josh_BorkeIndustrial: thanks indie :-P
20:54.17Endthe AQ40 one was -awesome- though
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20:54.25Neeblerwas?
20:54.29Endwell, still is, I think...they nerfed it though
20:54.42Endat higher levels it does lesser amounts...I thin
20:55.09GeoManceI hate WoW Text.
20:55.10NeeblerI need to get one for my warlock, so I can 3 man onyxia
20:55.29End"Timelapse Shard"
20:55.32Kaydeethreemeh, fetish got nerfed hard once we hit 63. I barely used it at 60 anyway
20:55.38Endthat's the keepers of time one
20:55.44Endand it does...901 threat
20:55.48Endwow, that's worse than I thought
20:55.55IndustrialJosh_Borke: welcome ^^
20:56.15Endthe fetish was awesome because it did (does?) a percentage, but I think it scales down as you level
20:57.06EndThreat generation reduced by [70 - 2 * max(0,PL - 60)]%.
20:57.08Endo_O
20:57.33EndThat's wowhead's tooltip for fetish
20:57.40Kaso>>> return 70 - 2* ( math.max(0,70,-60))
20:57.40CideKaso: -70
20:57.44Cidethat's what the game files say
20:57.53Kasowoops extra comma in there
20:57.55foxlitnono
20:57.59Kaso>>> return 70 - 2* ( math.max(0,70 -60))
20:57.59CideKaso: 50
20:58.02foxlit-20 :)
20:59.01GeoManceIs there a way to hide portions of a frame, so that they only appear within the frame's size?
20:59.23EndYou could probably put it a ScrollFrame thingy
20:59.38End(I think that's what it is called at least)
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21:00.02EndI haven't done any serious AddOn development in months :P
21:00.47Endyou wouldn't be using a faux frame :P
21:00.59Josh_BorkeGeoMance: scrollframes can be painful
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21:01.17GeoManceI'm sure, but they're the only alternative I can see to my text problem. ^^;
21:01.26Endit goes something like, make your frame the child of the scrollframe, set the width/height of the scroll frame, and set the offset
21:01.38Endif you are just cropping, that's all you probably need
21:01.57GeoManceNah, I'm displaying a -large- amount of text.
21:02.23Enda -large- amount of text?
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21:03.02GeoMance30+ lines divided by |n, with the line length in excess of 255 characters at times.
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21:03.40EndHmm, well, you could set the size of the FontString or whatever
21:03.49EndI think that'll force the text to be contained within
21:03.55End(I think)
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21:04.40GeoManceThat doesn't help really. It allows for text wrapping. But once it reaches the bounds '...' trunicates, or it spills out of the frame, and covers the screen.
21:05.12EndI'm confused on what you are trying to do.
21:05.32DT_I think you have to set the width and not set the height
21:05.43DT_Did you set the height on yours?
21:05.53GeoManceIf you do that, it spills out of the frame as the height keeps increasing.
21:06.30DT_So how do you want it displayed then?
21:07.02GeoManceInside the frame, without the spill over. Side scroll preferably so the desired area can be scrolled to, and looked at.
21:07.29Endthere is the...whachacallit editbox thingy
21:07.37Endalthough, that still uses a scrollframe I think
21:07.46DT_Oh, so you want to have a scrollable fontstring?
21:07.55GeoManceExactly, DT.
21:08.06DT_Don't know if that can even be done, because you don't know what text is on what lines
21:08.11GeoManceAnd Editbox is the same problem, I just can't get the Scrollframe to function right.
21:08.45DT_I think you'd need a scrollable editbox. What about it didn't function correctly for you?
21:08.46Endwell, I can see your issue with extremely long lines.
21:09.05End...since those act oddly, but there's not much you can do there.
21:09.15GeoManceThe Scrollframe part. I define one, and try to use it, but I just can't get it to work at all.
21:09.37DT_You have to define it's scrolling behavior yourself, it doesn't just work by itself
21:10.45GeoManceI know that much, but I have no idea how you're supposed to define the behaivor, they have a bunch of tutorials that end up using the multi-FontString method, but there really aren't many that just go over the scroll frame, and none that help with the Widget API part of it.
21:11.23DT_Have you tried examining an already-working addon that uses a scrollable editbox?
21:12.08GeoManceI don't know many that do, and those I've found define it through XML, rather than lua.
21:12.40DT_The only one that comes to mind for me is Tinypad
21:12.58GeoManceI don't think I even have that. Heh.
21:13.12EndI've done it through lua, although it didn't have scrollbars (instead you "dragged" it around to view)
21:13.26Endand it had textures -and- fontstrings
21:13.38Josh_BorkeI've done some scrollframes in lua
21:13.51Josh_Borkebut basic button type scrollframes
21:14.15DT_I'd just d/l Tinypad and take it apart, see how it works
21:14.30GeoManceThat's what I need, actually. Just like a regular plain-text webpage with a side scroll.
21:16.05GeoManceHrm.
21:16.51Josh_BorkeGeoMance: i have one defined in XML that shouldn't be too hard to convert
21:17.04Josh_Borkelet me look at code
21:17.50Josh_BorkeI've got a SimpleHTML frame embedded in a ScrollFrame, i'm sure you could apply the same concept
21:19.19GeoManceI'll gladly take a look: deathslancer@earthlink.net
21:21.02Josh_Borkehttp://svn.joshborke.is-a-geek.com/trunk/GuildBook/gui.xml
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21:28.46foxlitI still need an arbitrary precision calculator :(
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21:32.58Cide>>> local function round(num, p) p = 10^p; return math.floor(num*p + 0.5)/p; end function calculate(expr) return round(loadstring("return "..expr)(), math.random(0, 10^6)); end return calculate("1 + 1"), calculate("math.pi ^ 2"), calculate("1.2345 / 100")
21:32.58CideCide: -1.#IND,  -1.#IND,  -1.#IND
21:33.03Cidebah
21:33.03cladhairefoxlit: use bc
21:34.36Cide>>> local function round(num, p) p = 10^p; return math.floor(num*p + 0.5)/p; end function calculate(expr) return round(loadstring("return "..expr)(), math.random(0, 10)); end return calculate("1 + 1"), calculate("math.pi ^ 2"), calculate("1.2345 / 100")
21:34.36CideCide: 2,  9.87,  0.012345
21:34.42Cidearbitrary precision!
21:34.43Cide>>> local function round(num, p) p = 10^p; return math.floor(num*p + 0.5)/p; end function calculate(expr) return round(loadstring("return "..expr)(), math.random(0, 10)); end return calculate("1 + 1"), calculate("math.pi ^ 2"), calculate("1.2345 / 100")
21:34.44CideCide: 2,  9.87,  0
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21:35.52foxlitcladhaire: bc what? bc where?
21:36.11cladhairebc is a library for lua that provides arbitrary precision
21:36.14GeoManceDamnations. I the scroll bars appear, but the information's still overflowing.
21:36.35cladhairethere's also bc which is a unix commandline arbitrary precision calculator
21:36.40cladhaireman bc on your favorite unix box.
21:36.48GeoManceNever mind, don't mind that.
21:36.51foxlitNo unix box :(
21:37.17foxlitWouldn't mind a windows binary of that, but it doesn't seem OSS is sharing.
21:37.24cladhairelol
21:37.28cladhairei hope you dont mean that
21:37.43cladhaireif by "not sharing" you mean windows has a fucked up lacking posix implementation, than I'd agre
21:37.51Endl2cygwin?
21:38.05Josh_Borke>>> "hi"
21:38.05CideJosh_Borke: "hi"
21:38.09IndustrialIf I have a={'foo','bar','baz'} can I switch around baz and bar?
21:38.19Josh_Borke>>> tonumber('11111100',10)
21:38.20CideJosh_Borke: 11111100
21:38.22cladhairefoxlit: http://www.ericphelps.com/favorites/utilities.html
21:38.22foxlitEither way, the process between downloading sources and actually doing something on my win32 box is far too long.
21:38.28Josh_Borke>>> tonumber('11111100',2)
21:38.29CideJosh_Borke: 252
21:38.38Cide>>> a = { 'foo', 'bar', 'baz' }; a[2], a[3] = a[3], a[2]; return a
21:38.38CideCide: { "foo", "baz", "bar" } (#1)
21:38.57EndAnd if you don't like cygwin, it's probably been ported by the gnuwin32 people too
21:39.05nevcairielinteresting, with that syntax you even save the temp value
21:39.07Industrialoh, without knowing their index, Cide.
21:39.08cladhairewhich i just linked.
21:39.16IndustrialCide: I wanna make a "move up, move down" type thing
21:39.35Cideif you click a button, surely you must know that button's index
21:39.48Cideif you have one up and one down button per entry
21:40.46Josh_Borke>>> 256*256
21:40.46CideJosh_Borke: 65536
21:40.53foxlitHm, either I need another operator, or bc fails horribly
21:41.15foxlitdoing a ^ b % c, it attempts to evaluate a ^ b directly. Big mistake.
21:41.36Endcladhaire: hmm, that seems to be different than (but completely the same as) gnuwin32
21:41.44cladhaireEnd: aye
21:41.49cladhairefoxlit: you'll need to learn how to use bc
21:41.58cladhairehttp://www.hmug.org/man/1/bc.php
21:42.00cladhaireshould help
21:42.06EndIt's a different project it looks like, with a slightly different set of utilites with large overlap
21:43.07End(I always went to gnuwin32 since it was more the libraries I was usually after)
21:43.42KarlThePagananyone here run WoW under Wine, Cedega, or Codeweavers?
21:44.42foxlitSo I can force the thing to do the calculation step by step, but there's nothing that'd to it for me.
21:45.06foxlitProblem is, I'm not sure if the way I'm thinking it should be calculated is correct, so I'd rather have someone else think that step out
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21:47.29GeoMancein a SetScript("Event", function () end) Does it have to be a newly created function?
21:48.28foxlitno
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21:51.34Cideyou probably want OnEvent though
21:51.40Neuro_Medivhanyone else on Stratics? =)
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21:53.07Kaydeethreeya. busy stirring up the masses in #worldofwarcraft
21:53.20Kaydeethreechat's allegdly going to start in 8 minutes in #straticshoc, we'll see
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21:55.33GeoManceDrat!
22:00.19Mr_Rabies2<Drysc> Never gonna give you up, never gonna let you down, never gonna run around and desert you.
22:00.24Mr_Rabies2i love drysc
22:00.33Mr_Rabies2he's my new favorite CM now that tseric is gone :[
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22:11.36Guillotinethese are horrible questions. they've all been answered many times
22:11.41Neuro_Medivhof course they are
22:11.48Neuro_Medivhand they're only gonna get canned answers
22:11.51Guillotineyup
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22:12.11Guillotinefor this one, "We do not plan another class review like we had. We are going to implement small changes in each patch"
22:12.13Guillotineor something like that
22:12.35GeoManceHey, Borke, in the example you showed me, why did you set both an abs size, and Two opposite points for the scroll child?
22:13.02Neuro_Medivh"We are looking into that issue, and if/when the situation warrants it, we shall make the appropriate changes"
22:20.31LegorolHm, nothing about patch or extended maintenance on the Realm Status forum
22:20.35Legoroldoes this mean patch is not coming?
22:21.32foxlitI don't get this :/
22:21.45foxlitSign works on 32bit modulo keys, breaks on 64 bit.
22:22.29Neuro_MedivhLego, the lack of patch to PTR implies a Live patch
22:22.52Neuro_Medivhlast three mondays in a row, they've done a ptr patch on monday afternoon
22:22.57foxlitMaybe they're still working on it ?:)
22:23.19LegorolNeuro_Medivh: good point
22:23.35Legorolwell i had my bet on this week, considering that the Blizz Feedback AddOn disappeared
22:23.48Neuro_Medivhya
22:24.52GeoManceGah!
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22:25.19LegorolOne of these days, I should go through my AddOns and prune out ones I don't use
22:25.25LegorolWay too many are loaded at the moment :/
22:26.08GeoManceWhat I have -should- work, but I don't see where it doesn't.
22:27.29GuillotineLegorol: same here. I probably have around 40 addons I don't use
22:28.01LegorolExample: I have 3 different boss mods loaded, because I had to evaluate them for my guild and decide which one would suit our needs
22:28.08LegorolI'm still stuck on the "evaluation" phase
22:28.16Legoroleven though i'm only really using one
22:29.13GeoManceHAH!
22:35.37Mr_Rabies2man
22:35.48Mr_Rabies2kalgan just flew past the most important question
22:35.49Mr_Rabies2:[
22:36.04Neuro_Medivhwhich one?
22:36.06Mr_Rabies2*Panda* Are there still plans to add weapon procs and potions back to druid forms as previously stated?
22:36.07Neuro_Medivhthe druid proc one?
22:36.16Mr_Rabies2<Kalgan> It's possible, but not certain.
22:36.18Mr_Rabies2:[
22:36.33Neuro_Medivhdruids are OP anyway =)
22:36.47Mr_Rabies2dont make me cut you foo
22:37.09AnduinLotharpriests are OP... in pvp anyway
22:37.25AnduinLotharpallies are OP in pve
22:37.30Neuro_Medivhno, FEAR is OP in pvp
22:37.55ScytheBlade1Heh. We can discuss stuff in here, rather than the #wow channel over there
22:37.55AnduinLotharlol, i'm more killed by Blackout lol
22:38.00ScytheBlade1#wow there is a scary plae
22:38.01ScytheBlade1*place
22:38.05Neuro_Medivhthen again, I play a Shaman, the most worthless pvp class at 70
22:38.29Mr_Rabies2elemental shamans break me
22:38.30Mr_Rabies2:[
22:38.48Mr_Rabies2so do enhancement ones when they win the vegas jackpot that is melee shaman dps
22:39.08Neuro_Medivhenhancement are easy to beat.  We have no method of beating any CC
22:39.15Neuro_Medivhfear/stun/poly/etc all wreck us
22:39.50GuillotinePatch tomorow officially announced
22:39.56AnduinLothar:)
22:39.57Mr_Rabies2<Kalgan> omg patch tomorrow
22:39.58Nerinia"omg patch tomorrow" - lol :P
22:40.05Guillotinefirst!
22:40.08Guillotine^_^
22:40.22Nerinia'announced' :-)
22:40.29foxlit<Kalgan> jeff is so fired...
22:40.30Neuro_Medivhand it's already been posted on the forums lol
22:41.30snurre2.2 on PTR in 3 weeks aswell btw
22:41.48ScytheBlade1snurre, link/proof/etc?
22:41.49NeriniaOh no, AddOn defined secure XML frames still get tainted :/
22:42.08snurreScytheBlade1: nope, sorry
22:42.27Guillotinesnurre must be an insider >.>
22:42.30Guillotineor a troll
22:42.31Guillotinewe shall see
22:42.49Neuro_Medivhnah, proof here: http://youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0
22:43.01GuillotineI find 3 weeks kind of fast for how much they say they're going to add
22:43.16GuillotineNeuro: nice try
22:43.32snurrewell, how long has 2.1 been on ptrs? and *alot* of stuff originally scheduled for 2.1 was just pushed to 2.2
22:43.40Neuro_Medivhsomeone told me it was on Family Guy last night
22:43.48snurreso probably more than half of 2.2 is already close to finished
22:44.54GeoManceDmnations!
22:45.14ScytheBlade1Haha
22:45.17ScytheBlade1He just owned pallies
22:46.31ScytheBlade1<Kalgan> the ret pallies will save them! <Kalgan> next patch'! <Kalgan> ok, maybe not <Kalgan> or maybe...
22:46.47nevcairielheh
22:47.06nevcairielits really funny that lots of people think every spec should be good in raids
22:47.18nevcairielthere are just some specs for solo play. why dont they get that
22:47.28ScytheBlade1Yeah, I'm laughing over that myself too
22:48.00Mr_Rabies2tha'ts not how it's supposed to be nev
22:48.15Mr_Rabies2every spec is supposed to be useful, even if it's in low demand
22:49.32nevcairielimho there are just some specs which are for pvp, some are for leveling and solo play .. like ret on pallys .. not every spec is useful in end-game content .. and thats not bad
22:49.49Mr_Rabies2it's supposed to be, especially for hybrids
22:50.04Mr_Rabies2otherwise why pick a hybrid?
22:50.25nymbiaso you can spec ret
22:50.27nevcairieli am a druid, at least 2 specs are good for raiding :P
22:50.28nymbiaobviously
22:50.47nevcairieli am happy with being full resto all the time, i dont miss balance just because its not good for raids
22:51.04ThraeBalance is good with the right gear and an instance without long boss fights ;)
22:51.17nevcairiel(plus when i picked my class, i didnt really think about raids at all)
22:51.18ThraeOh, and lots, and lots of water.
22:51.48Mr_Rabies2biggest problem with high end balance is threat
22:51.56ThraeYeah, that's true.
22:52.02Mr_Rabies2but you've got considerably more survivability if you do manage to pull aggro
22:52.07Mr_Rabies2which may save you on trash
22:52.21Mr_Rabies2not so much on bosses :P
22:52.22nevcairielheh not really tho
22:52.26GarounSilly discussion question: Inviting someone to a guild sponsored raid that they knew about in advance, and them declining to join another guilds raid.... ok or insta-gkick?
22:52.31nevcairielmost of the trash still 2-shots you
22:52.36GeoManceHrm.
22:53.14nevcairielmeh the questions are getting boring
22:53.26Mr_Rabies2i'd express my dislike of their choice, but i wouldn't gkick them unless it happened often
22:53.26Mr_Rabies2:O
22:53.36Mr_Rabies2unless they were someone important
22:53.41GeoManceIs there a reason that the 'max' of a slider would jump suddenly, then delete itself?
22:53.48Garounyeah they weren't kickedbut I was a bit irkedabout it :P
22:54.12Garounthey gquit today anyway ;)
22:54.50KirkburnFor those not able to see the coverage, MMO-Champion has a post with the comments (updating every 2 mins) - http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?topic=217.0
22:57.51Guillotinehmm. so who wants to bet that one of the giveaways at Blizzcon is a beta pass for SC2?
22:59.40Mr_Rabies2wouldn't be surprised
23:02.54Temgrr wtf
23:02.54Tem"However, I don't really think the current state of melee vs spell raid dps has much to do with the mitigation values on the raid targets, I think it has more to do with"
23:02.54Temand he never finishes the sentence
23:02.56Tems/ce/se/
23:03.01Temnope
23:03.05Tems/se/ce/
23:04.56TC-Working"However, I don't really think the current state of melee vs spell raid dps has much to do with the mitigation values on the raid targets, I think it has more to do with" bah, thats a crappy place to get cut off
23:07.17AnduinLotharwtb majic miticating armor
23:07.25AnduinLotharoi, that hurts
23:07.55AnduinLotharwtb normal armor with rpell resists instead of armor
23:07.59Tem"Tigole : btw, Patch tomorrow =p"
23:08.10TC-Workinghah, Tem, i didnt even see you just post the same thing
23:08.27TC-WorkingNote to self: L2ReadUp
23:08.27ScytheBlade1Haha @ anhk comment
23:08.30ScytheBlade1*ahnk
23:08.32ScytheBlade1Or whatever
23:08.41nevcairielheh good one
23:08.53AnduinLotharwhat channel is this in?
23:09.02TC-Workinghttp://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?topic=217.0
23:09.05TC-Workingoh
23:09.09TC-Workinguhh..same as the other one
23:09.27AnduinLotharcan't jsut idle there?
23:09.34TC-Workingi think so
23:09.48ScytheBlade1Adys|sleep, irc://irc.stratics.com/straticshoc
23:09.50ScytheBlade1Err
23:09.56ScytheBlade1AnduinLothar that is
23:12.14GeoManceHrm, damn it.
23:12.30AnduinLotharpreists suck, we're gonna nerf pallies to fix it
23:13.40nevcairielthats a good question now
23:13.43nevcairielwtb emerald dream
23:13.54XuerianYeah, good question
23:14.38nevcairielsounds like the 3rd expansion :P
23:14.42XuerianOf course.
23:14.50nevcairiel2nd being northrend
23:14.53nevcairielor somewhat
23:15.13zenzelezznah, second will be Inland
23:15.40Temdon't cry Anduin
23:15.47Temthey're going to buff ret pallies
23:15.51Tem(lawl dps pallies)
23:16.09Garounlol you may have said it but I noticed Tigoles slip :P
23:16.29Garoun"First off, players will be happy to know that there are some *limited* backflagging solutions going into the game tomorrow."
23:16.49TC-Workingthey are still going to be loladins though
23:16.59Garoungo me for quoting before I finish reading sigh
23:17.51XuerianOoooh, good question
23:18.21TemTC-Working, dps pallies are the biggest waste of space imo
23:18.28nevcairielso true
23:18.30nevcairielpewpew!
23:18.34Temin raids, 5 mans and pvp
23:18.43Temthey just.. have no place
23:18.51nevcairielits a solo/leveling spec, why cant they accept that
23:19.31Neuro_Medivhbtw, www.worldofraids.com already shows what the backflagging option is
23:19.33Cide<PROTECTED>
23:19.34Cide<PROTECTED>
23:19.34Cidewtb someone to pickup that project for ace
23:19.47XuerianDrDamage?
23:19.54Xuerianand wtf
23:19.55Cide...
23:19.55Xueriancide
23:19.56Cidewrong answer
23:19.57Xuerianmentioning ace?
23:20.00Xuerian>_>
23:20.11nevcairielNeuro_Medivh: the attunment scrolls?
23:20.12XuerianWho are you, and what have you done with SkepticIndependantDev?
23:20.17CideI was close to calling you an idiot there
23:20.30XuerianCide: Feel free, you wouldn't be the first
23:20.39CideI'm sure
23:20.43Xuerian:)
23:20.47nevcairiellol
23:20.51XuerianIn fact you may have already...
23:20.56XuerianCan't recall..
23:20.57TC-Workingtem ofc they are
23:20.58XuerianOh, no, yes you have
23:21.04Neuro_Medivhnevcairiel yes
23:21.08XuerianBack with the whole mailmod debachle
23:21.14TC-Workingonce a loladin, always a loladin
23:21.15TemCide, I saw that and almost puked on my keyboard
23:21.27KirkburnLovely.
23:21.51GeoManceSomething's happening in the XML code, that I can't see, or replicate in my lua.
23:22.06KirkburnIsn't it nice when you throw up a little in your mouth. :)
23:22.18KirkburnMmm, bitter.
23:22.30AnduinLotharhmmm i should probably hold on to my [Mental Interference Rod] for when i need to test addons with mind control, huh
23:22.48XuerianCide: Oooh. i finally get it. You were mocking ace to begin with, and all three lines were a quote. =]
23:23.08Cideno
23:23.13Cidefirst two lines were the quote
23:23.37TemCide, correction, first 2 lines were a quote of a quote
23:23.53Cidetrue, I was quoting a post, and the first two lines were a quote in the quote
23:23.56Kirkburn>_<
23:23.57Mr_Rabies2*Tinker* Any chance there will be more lore added to the gnomes? As of now, they're the most loreless playable race around - any plans for that to change? <Kalgan> well they're also the shortest
23:24.00Mr_Rabies2bwahahaha
23:24.06nevcairieli loved that
23:24.24nevcairieli should get that into my signature
23:24.25KirkburnSomeone once said, a joke you have to spend 10 minutes explaining wasn't a very good one. I don't know who it was though. Hitler, probably.
23:24.26nevcairielor something
23:25.34Mr_Rabies2*Trisma* Hello. Do you have any plans to add enchanting and jewelcrafting specializations?  <Kalgan> Hello. Not really. <Tigole> I want to specialize in Solid Star of Elune making
23:25.38Mr_Rabies2buahahhaha
23:25.39KirkburnHas the Emerald Dream been updated recently? Cause I saw an extremely odd landscape in a video showing off druid tier 6
23:25.46Neuro_MedivhI'm about THIS close to dropping JC
23:25.57Kirkburn|-------------------| this close?
23:25.57Mr_Rabies2kirk, that landscape has been in the game since release
23:25.59Mr_Rabies2:O
23:26.05KaydeethreeI haven't noticed any data files dealing with it lately
23:26.11Neuro_Medivhmore like |-------------| this close
23:26.14Mr_Rabies2there's 2 parts of it
23:26.18KirkburnAh
23:26.26KirkburnI've seen the reeeeaaally green swampy one
23:26.39Mr_Rabies2the weird swirly terrain and the nightmare/huge green field
23:26.40KirkburnNot the rolling hills giant flower thingies one
23:26.41Neuro_Medivhthey could just Trammel it!
23:27.23Neuro_Medivhone of these days I should check out how UO has ended up
23:28.18Garounthey are about to re-release it neuro
23:28.40Neuro_Medivhoh, they do that every year
23:28.49Garounno, I mean really redo it
23:29.05Neuro_Medivhinteresting...  UO was quite fun in the beginning
23:29.21Neuro_MedivhI applaud where they were trying to go with it
23:30.25Garounhttp://www.uoherald.com/kingdomreborn/
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23:32.22ScytheBlade1Grats Mr_Rabies2 ;)
23:32.22cladhairegz Mr_Rabies
23:32.28Mr_Rabies2:D
23:32.29XuerianLol, grats Mr_Rabies
23:32.31XuerianWho was it?
23:32.35Xuerianwhose, rather
23:32.35Guillotinegrats rabies :)
23:35.12Mr_Rabies2Napoleon Dynamite and Britney Spears
23:35.13Kaydeethreehttp://ace.pastey.net/37388 chat log
23:35.13ScytheBlade1Bah, I got the male one
23:35.13ScytheBlade1Didn't nkow the demale one
23:35.14Guillotineah. knew the male, didn't know famale :(
23:35.14ScytheBlade1*female
23:35.14Guillotineguess not too many people here are britney spears fans
23:35.14Guillotinethough apparently Rabies is >.>
23:35.14Mr_Rabies2no, i'm just a nerd
23:35.16Mr_Rabies2i know these things
23:35.16Guillotinemmhmmmm
23:35.16Guillotinelikely story
23:35.18Guillotinewe're in an IRC chat channel about programming addons for a video game. we're all nerds :P
23:35.18Guillotineto some extent at least
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23:35.30GeoManceAlright, I'm trying to do a scroll frame through Lua, and I think i have everything I need, but the Scrolling is not working. If I try to recreate the XML through the lua, when it tries to scroll the scroll pain suddenly dissappears, and nothing else happens.
23:36.19GuillotineGeoMance: you've been told that the easiest way to do a scroll frame is to do a pseudo scroll frame/
23:36.21Guillotine?
23:36.30Guillotinejust a texbox, moving everything up one line/down one line
23:36.36Guillotinewhen you click the up/down boxes
23:37.20GeoManceYes, but that's not a viable answer do to what I'm working with. The lines of text are or variable length which are, on average, going to be longer than the display area (Requiring wrapping).
23:37.20GeoManceare of variable^
23:38.58Guillotineyou could just iterate through it taking a certain number of characters and then putting a \n
23:39.20Guillotineor taking the closes space to the end of a certain number of characters
23:39.35GeoManceCharacter lengths are also variable in all of the include Font types. The O character is wider across than the . character.
23:39.53Guillotineah, forgot not all fonts are TrueType
23:39.58Guillotinenm
23:39.59GeoManceYe-up.
23:40.26Guillotine*shrug* dunno. never had to use a real scroll frame. pseudo has always done it for me
23:41.24GeoManceThat's been the answer I've been getting. xD But, I'm trying to emulate a scrolling chat frame, for what I'm working with.
23:42.33Neuro_Medivhwell, we got one important piece of info from that chat... patch tomorrow!
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23:42.48BleeterNeuro_Medivh: heh, as if that weren't mostly obvious ;)
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23:44.39GeoManceI think the problem is that it's not resizing correctly when new text is added.
23:44.57GeoMancebut there's no information on the ScrollFrame lua functions.
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23:57.35Mr_Rabies2i wonder what this mouse pad's gonna look like :O
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23:58.02Mr_Rabies2i coulda gotten the first one too, i just delayed my answer cause i thought it was random choice :[
23:59.08nevcairielhaha
23:59.19XuerianDoh :P

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