| 00:00.03 | KriLL3 | so if I revive a dead addon and give credit to the original author but can't get in contact with him I'm committing a felony? |
| 00:00.07 | cladhaire | no |
| 00:00.10 | Thrae | Personally, I demand $500 to anyone who uses my code without permission. Of course, this license is in binary at the top of my code -- no law that says you can't write licenses in binary! I mean, a lot of licenses are already in binary, stored on computers! |
| 00:00.10 | cladhaire | you're violating copyright |
| 00:00.12 | KriLL3 | you claim it is |
| 00:00.13 | cladhaire | unless explicitly licensed. |
| 00:00.22 | cladhaire | i never said you were commiting a felony |
| 00:00.24 | Antiarc|Work | Copyright violation isn't a felony, as much as the RIAA may like it to be otherwise :) |
| 00:00.27 | cladhaire | but plain and simple, you are violating copyright. |
| 00:00.33 | KriLL3 | copyright is protected by law |
| 00:00.43 | cladhaire | orly? |
| 00:00.45 | cladhaire | i had no idea |
| 00:00.58 | cladhaire | KriLL3: Please present your argument so I can semantically dismantle it |
| 00:01.02 | cladhaire | this piecemeal thing is tiring. |
| 00:01.04 | Antiarc|Work | I goes home now. Have a good one, folks :) |
| 00:01.20 | KriLL3 | cladhaire: I guess we addon users look at things differently from the addon authors |
| 00:01.26 | cladhaire | KriLL3: naturally |
| 00:01.35 | cladhaire | It may be the right thing to do |
| 00:01.38 | cladhaire | reviving an addon |
| 00:01.44 | cladhaire | but its still copyright violation in some contexts |
| 00:01.53 | cladhaire | that's why contacting the author and getting permission solves the issues. |
| 00:01.57 | cladhaire | and helps the community overall |
| 00:02.02 | cladhaire | look at how many EQL "rewrites" there are |
| 00:02.08 | KriLL3 | I understand that blatant rips are wrong, but most addons share some code with something else |
| 00:02.10 | cladhaire | they fractured a single community |
| 00:02.20 | Cide | KriLL3: why? |
| 00:02.22 | KriLL3 | cladhaire: well some authors drop of the map |
| 00:02.28 | cladhaire | KriLL3: understood |
| 00:02.29 | cladhaire | best effort |
| 00:02.33 | cladhaire | try |
| 00:02.47 | Thrae | Just because an author stops coding, doesn't mean they're gone ;) |
| 00:03.30 | KriLL3 | and if you know a way to make an addon better than it currently is and the author doesn't want to incorporate your code/idea isn't it in the best interest of the community that you create a fork? |
| 00:03.41 | cladhaire | it may be the right thing to do |
| 00:03.45 | cladhaire | but its copyright violation |
| 00:04.10 | KriLL3 | how would it be enforced? few addons are payware, you could not claim loss of profits |
| 00:04.12 | Thrae | It's in the best interest of the community to kill off all stupid people, but it's not the moral or legal thing to do ;) |
| 00:04.12 | cladhaire | many things are in the best interest of a community, but that doesn't make them legal. |
| 00:04.19 | cladhaire | KriLL3: We're not talking abotu enforcement. |
| 00:04.37 | KriLL3 | but crime without consequence is in effect not a crime |
| 00:04.38 | cladhaire | and I would pursue my rights as an author on my copyright works if I found someone violating them |
| 00:04.40 | JoshBorke | thrae: you sure about the moral part? ;-) |
| 00:04.43 | cladhaire | and they were explicitly licensed |
| 00:04.47 | Cide | if I could wipe out the entire planet, how could my action be enforced? |
| 00:04.49 | cladhaire | KriLL3: not true. |
| 00:04.53 | Thrae | JoshBorke: It's immoral, not unethical :D |
| 00:04.55 | cladhaire | KriLL3: at all |
| 00:04.56 | KriLL3 | cladhaire: few addons are licensed |
| 00:05.03 | cladhaire | KriLL3: also not true |
| 00:05.06 | cladhaire | any ace addon is licensed |
| 00:05.11 | Cide | err, yeah... |
| 00:05.12 | cladhaire | more or less |
| 00:05.16 | cladhaire | due to the license of Ace2 |
| 00:05.16 | KriLL3 | under what license? |
| 00:05.22 | Thrae | Cide: Are you saying Ace addons will wipe out all life on the planet?! |
| 00:05.30 | cladhaire | every single Dongle license contains a public domain component, and a BSD component. |
| 00:05.32 | Cide | Thrae: CTRA will |
| 00:05.34 | *** join/#wowi-lounge cogwheel (n=chatzill@c-67-164-121-134.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 00:05.47 | Cide | and it'll take the solar system with it |
| 00:05.53 | |Jelly| | hey cog |
| 00:05.59 | Thrae | Cide: CTRA will only make people Wipe...on raids ;) |
| 00:06.06 | Cide | true |
| 00:06.08 | cladhaire | s/license/addon/ |
| 00:06.12 | TC-Working | Blatant Sexual Discrimination? BSD? |
| 00:06.14 | KriLL3 | I think addons that aren't payware should be licensed under CC |
| 00:06.14 | KriLL3 | makes sense |
| 00:06.20 | cladhaire | KriLL3: Well, that's cool |
| 00:06.22 | cladhaire | except no |
| 00:06.29 | cladhaire | you're welcome to your opinion |
| 00:06.32 | cladhaire | I prefer the BSD license |
| 00:06.40 | Cide | and in any case, they're not |
| 00:06.50 | Thrae | Addons that aren't payware are not CC'd, but they can be Mezmerizing! |
| 00:06.55 | cladhaire | and any non-licensed addon, the original author retains copyright |
| 00:06.57 | cladhaire | whether you like it or not. |
| 00:07.02 | KriLL3 | I don't see the point of being so fiercely protective over code you don't intend to sell. |
| 00:07.11 | Cide | KriLL3: that's irrelevant |
| 00:07.20 | cladhaire | KriLL3: completely ireelevant |
| 00:07.23 | Cide | most authors aren't fiercely protective |
| 00:07.25 | cladhaire | Do you have ANY idea how much time i put into my addons |
| 00:07.27 | Cide | but it's still a copyright infringement |
| 00:07.29 | KriLL3 | you 2 are |
| 00:07.33 | Cide | oh yes indeed |
| 00:07.34 | cladhaire | for some asshole to come along, copy the files, and say its his addon |
| 00:07.35 | cladhaire | fuck him |
| 00:07.36 | Cide | but that's also irrelevant |
| 00:07.40 | Cide | and no |
| 00:07.49 | cladhaire | if you can't understadn that |
| 00:07.51 | KriLL3 | cladhaire: that's ripping, not what I'm talking about |
| 00:07.56 | Cide | I can testify for cladhaire's willingness to share code |
| 00:08.00 | cladhaire | then take your DivX movies, your MP3s, and have fun on Gnutella. |
| 00:08.01 | Cide | and I'm sure he can testify for mine |
| 00:08.01 | cladhaire | err |
| 00:08.02 | cladhaire | lol |
| 00:08.03 | cladhaire | hahah |
| 00:08.14 | bleeter | christ, not this discussion again |
| 00:08.14 | cladhaire | Gnutella is a cocoa spread |
| 00:08.20 | cladhaire | bleeter: ALWAYS this discussion |
| 00:08.30 | cladhaire | bleeter: because someone always comes along who knows more, and clearly is a lawyer |
| 00:08.44 | Thrae | KriLL3: Look at it this way -- 99.999999% of Americans want the KKK, Neo-Nazis, and Conservative Bigoted Religious Radicals to shut the hell up, but we allow them to speak because if we take away one person's right of free speech, others may be next. |
| 00:08.57 | Osagasu | I've been watching it. I think this discussion has lasted the last three weeks, four days, seven hours, and fifty six minutes. |
| 00:09.00 | cladhaire | KriLL3: I'm actually a really nice person, I'm just reacting to your statements, which have been nothing but wrong, and offensive to authors such as myself who give a shit. |
| 00:09.06 | KriLL3 | well actually hate speech isn't covered under free speach |
| 00:09.16 | Thrae | KriLL3: Same with automatic copyright. |
| 00:09.24 | KriLL3 | cladhaire: I don't see why you see it that way |
| 00:09.30 | Thrae | Hate speec IS covered under Free Speech if it is not intended to start a riot. |
| 00:09.33 | cladhaire | KriLL3: because I spent time and money to do this |
| 00:09.37 | Thrae | s/speec/speech/ |
| 00:09.41 | KriLL3 | Thrae: here it isn't |
| 00:09.51 | Thrae | KriLL3: That's just YOUR state then, I'm talking Federal |
| 00:09.54 | KriLL3 | cladhaire: money? |
| 00:09.54 | Cide | this is pretty much a half-time job |
| 00:09.55 | cladhaire | KriLL3: I like to know that someone can't just rip off my shit, unless I want them to |
| 00:09.56 | cogwheel | KriLL3: this isn't a forum for free speech |
| 00:10.00 | KriLL3 | Thrae: I'm in no state |
| 00:10.02 | cladhaire | KriLL3: yes, money |
| 00:10.04 | Cide | for me |
| 00:10.11 | cogwheel | this is owned by freenode |
| 00:10.15 | cladhaire | bandwidth, server space, web hosting, time, money |
| 00:10.16 | cogwheel | and moderated by wowinterface |
| 00:10.28 | Thrae | I'm talking about America here, KriLL3, so if you're not talking about the US, then what the hell are you talking about :D |
| 00:10.38 | Thrae | cogwheel: I was making an analogy of free speech to copyright protection |
| 00:10.39 | TC-Working | hmm.... Kick *.*@* .....sound about right? |
| 00:10.48 | KriLL3 | perhaps the laws of *gasph* my nation? |
| 00:10.49 | Osagasu | You sacrifice your right to free speech when you use the resources of another entity to do so. |
| 00:10.52 | cladhaire | so again, you're welcome to your opinions, but we're teh addon authors, and we're right, because the law gives us that right. Plain and simple. |
| 00:11.12 | Osagasu | That's why forums and IRC channels can moderate content. |
| 00:11.15 | cogwheel | Thrae: I'm on your side :P I thought KriLL3 was responding to something he may not have been... chat going too fast |
| 00:11.17 | TheZanke | is there anyway to make is stop telling me this <Size> tag is incorrect? I asaked earlier and you guys said it was fine but its bothering me |
| 00:11.29 | cladhaire | KriLL3: like it or not, those are the facts, and this convesation shoudl die. |
| 00:11.33 | Cide | edit the xsd? :P |
| 00:11.33 | KriLL3 | cladhaire: if I ever release an addon I'll release it under CC, like I do with my icons wallpapers and themes |
| 00:11.36 | cladhaire | especially if you're trolling from another country. |
| 00:11.39 | cladhaire | KriLL3: neat, which CC |
| 00:11.42 | Thrae | KriLL3: Your nation doesn't matter in my analogy, since I specifically added the KKK, and they are an American-only group ;) However, if that was misconsrued, I will clarify my analogy included the US only. |
| 00:11.43 | cogwheel | TheZanke: if it's telling you it's wrong, then it is |
| 00:11.43 | cladhaire | some CC licenses are worse than BSD |
| 00:11.49 | KriLL3 | fair use |
| 00:11.53 | cladhaire | so don't toss your licenses in my face, i actually know what the hell I'm talking about. |
| 00:11.56 | cogwheel | just because it works doesn't mean it's correct :P |
| 00:11.58 | cladhaire | all of my licenses are BSD |
| 00:12.03 | cladhaire | do you know what that is? |
| 00:12.06 | TheZanke | cogwheel, not what people said in here earlier |
| 00:12.11 | TheZanke | http://wowi.pastey.net/56872 |
| 00:12.12 | cogwheel | TheZanke: pastey it let me see |
| 00:12.14 | TheZanke | line 15 |
| 00:12.37 | TheZanke | underlines it |
| 00:12.47 | cogwheel | TheZanke: I'm pretty sure size & anchors have to go before TitleRegion |
| 00:12.50 | TheZanke | and when i put the cursor it says |
| 00:12.53 | TheZanke | "The element 'Frame' in namespace 'http://www.blizzard.com/wow/ui/" has invalid child element 'Size' in namespace 'http://www.blizzard.com/wow/ui/'. List of possible elements expected: 'TitleRegion, ResizeBounds, Backdrop, HitRectInsets, Layers, Attributes, Frames, Scripts' in namespace 'http://www.blizzard.com/wow/ui/'." |
| 00:13.05 | cogwheel | TheZanke: you have to put them in the correct order |
| 00:13.13 | TheZanke | cogwheel, thats a snippet from STC_Options |
| 00:13.24 | cogwheel | k... it's still wrong :P |
| 00:13.25 | Thrae | KriLL3: Default licensing boils down to this -- 99.999999% of the authors probably won't care and would probably be flattered, but you at least have to give a good-faith effort to ask permission. Otherwise, you're not only breaking the law, you are disrespecting the original author's hard work by not even trying to contact them. |
| 00:13.40 | cladhaire | KriLL3: If you aren't from the US.. then this conversation has no merit.. but I am from the US, and my works are protected by our copyright laws in this jurisdiction, unless explicitly licensed otherwise.. I happen to license most of my licenses so they are 100% free to use so long as they include my license information wrt my code. |
| 00:13.56 | KriLL3 | cladhaire: same here, duh. |
| 00:14.02 | TheZanke | cogwheel, so where should i reamm put it.. |
| 00:14.08 | cladhaire | duh/ |
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| 00:14.12 | TheZanke | really* |
| 00:14.13 | cladhaire | what in what i said was "duh" worthy? |
| 00:14.24 | cogwheel | I told you :P |
| 00:14.32 | cogwheel | <cogwheel>TheZanke: I'm pretty sure size & anchors have to go before TitleRegion |
| 00:14.40 | KriLL3 | "If you aren't from the US.. then this conversation has no merit.." what makes you think the US is different from the rest of the worrld? |
| 00:14.46 | cladhaire | .. |
| 00:14.50 | cladhaire | i'm not saying that at all |
| 00:14.54 | TheZanke | oh damn, it works! Thank you cogwheel |
| 00:14.54 | KriLL3 | you did |
| 00:14.57 | cladhaire | i'm saying, that the laws of the US don't necessary apply elsewhere |
| 00:14.59 | Thrae | Default licensing is good, excessive litigation is bad -- there's no reason to dissolve a law protecting people because its not being enforced right. Rewrite the law or make a law protecting the law which protects people. |
| 00:15.03 | cladhaire | so if you're not from the U.S. |
| 00:15.06 | cladhaire | then i can['t speak to your laws |
| 00:15.09 | cladhaire | what the fuck is wrong with you? |
| 00:15.10 | cladhaire | srsly |
| 00:15.15 | KriLL3 | nope, but most nations have similar or identical laws |
| 00:15.19 | cladhaire | yes, but i can't speak to them |
| 00:15.24 | cladhaire | i dont know them, and i dont live there |
| 00:15.31 | cladhaire | unlike you, i don't purport to know what i'm talking about when I don't. |
| 00:16.06 | cladhaire | yes, i'm being an asshole |
| 00:16.09 | KriLL3 | I got quite a lot of experience with CC. |
| 00:16.20 | cogwheel | irrelevant |
| 00:16.29 | cladhaire | but you waltz into an irc channel that has been in existance for quite some time, bring up a conversation that's been had about 13,000 times, and pretend like you know whats going on |
| 00:16.32 | KriLL3 | so is your opinion |
| 00:16.35 | cladhaire | ALL of your opening statements were blatantly wrong. |
| 00:16.35 | cogwheel | knowing how CC works doesn't magically bestow knowledge of copyright laws |
| 00:16.46 | Thrae | cladhaire: Hmm, could you argue that addon code is tied to the US because Blizzard is? "Intent follows the bullet", so they say. |
| 00:16.47 | cladhaire | you walk in here pretending your opinion is fact or law |
| 00:16.49 | KriLL3 | cladhaire: from your point of view, not mine. |
| 00:16.50 | cladhaire | you are wrong, plain and simple. |
| 00:16.57 | cladhaire | KriLL3: no,.. its the fucking law |
| 00:16.58 | KriLL3 | cladhaire: from your point of view, not mine. |
| 00:17.02 | *** kick/#wowi-lounge [KriLL3!n=cladhair@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Dongle/cladhaire] by cladhaire (cladhaire) |
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| 00:17.08 | cladhaire | KriLL3: kickban will follow |
| 00:17.10 | cladhaire | stop the shit now. |
| 00:17.25 | KriLL3 | right, disagreeing with the op isn't alowed. |
| 00:17.28 | cladhaire | no |
| 00:17.33 | cladhaire | this isn't a disagreement. |
| 00:17.36 | cladhaire | that's what you're not getting |
| 00:17.36 | Cide | it's not when he's right ;) |
| 00:17.45 | cogwheel | KriLL3: it's not a matter of opinion |
| 00:17.47 | cladhaire | and this channel exists here for the authors and user, to support their endeavors |
| 00:17.49 | Thrae | Not that Blizzard owns addon code, but you could claim that without clarification, an addon author's intent is for this code to be used with a game manufactured in the US. |
| 00:17.51 | cogwheel | you're simply ignoring facts |
| 00:17.55 | cladhaire | you are trying to dismantle that |
| 00:17.58 | cladhaire | this is NOT a matter of opinion |
| 00:17.59 | bleeter | I do believe auto-rejoin after kick is not allowed, or at least severely frowned upon, on Freenode. |
| 00:18.05 | cladhaire | bleeter: this is also correct |
| 00:18.13 | KriLL3 | bleeter: I can't change that |
| 00:18.19 | TC-Working | really?....everyone does it...huh |
| 00:18.27 | bleeter | KriLL3: get a decent IRC client? :P |
| 00:18.40 | KriLL3 | I got a really good IRC client |
| 00:18.49 | cogwheel | heh. Chatzilla's default setting is NOT to rejoin when kicked |
| 00:18.57 | bleeter | there is only one decent IRC client |
| 00:19.05 | KriLL3 | cogwheel: nope |
| 00:19.05 | bleeter | irssi to rule them all! mwuahahahahaha |
| 00:19.08 | zenzelezz | not auto-rejoining should be default in any client in my opinion |
| 00:19.13 | cladhaire | now, back to your regularly scheduled program. |
| 00:19.29 | TC-Working | bah @ irssi |
| 00:19.31 | cogwheel | KriLL3: is for me... i've never touched that setting and it's cleared in my preferences |
| 00:19.35 | cladhaire | TC-Loging: <3 irssi |
| 00:19.48 | TC-Working | i know, i tried it, but it just didnt flow |
| 00:19.49 | bleeter | irssi + screen = godliness |
| 00:19.56 | TC-Working | ofc, i did it in windows |
| 00:19.57 | KriLL3 | cogwheel: I haven't even seen the setting |
| 00:20.00 | cladhaire | bleeter: yeah, but i'm only ever on from one machine |
| 00:20.11 | cogwheel | i haven't either until now... maybe different version... |
| 00:20.11 | cladhaire | i thought about setting up an irc proxy that gave me similar benefits |
| 00:20.16 | cladhaire | but haven't gotten around to it |
| 00:20.32 | KriLL3 | auto rejoin isn't there for kick evasion, it's to rejoin if you get accidentally disconnected |
| 00:20.39 | Tain | I like irssi but never bothered to figure out how to make it do the same things that my .ircrc I've been using since around 1994 does. |
| 00:20.54 | zenzelezz | "Auto re-join on kick", yes, that sounds like disconnection protection |
| 00:20.59 | cladhaire | O.o |
| 00:21.01 | cogwheel | KriLL3: again you are wrong... it has a specific "rejoin when kicked" option |
| 00:21.06 | bleeter | KriLL3: the client can, in theory, detect a kick and not rejoin. Though some clients are stupid and can't detect. |
| 00:21.07 | cladhaire | here's my ass.. i'm talking out of it! |
| 00:21.22 | KriLL3 | not even mentions kick,, |
| 00:21.24 | cladhaire | its secksy |
| 00:21.37 | ckknight | bestiality is not cool, man |
| 00:21.39 | cogwheel | KriLL3: you're not looking in the right place... it's in the options for each channel |
| 00:21.43 | Thrae | KriLL3: http://www.google.com/search?q=chatzilla+disable+auto-rejoin&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a |
| 00:21.48 | Tain | Just don't pet the monkey. |
| 00:21.57 | cladhaire | you're using the same client the rest of these people are using |
| 00:21.57 | cogwheel | and for the server |
| 00:21.59 | sag_ich_nicht | btw. |
| 00:22.01 | cladhaire | they'r enot just pretending to know. |
| 00:22.22 | Thrae | By default, ChatZilla will not try to rejoin a channel if you are kicked from it. You can turn this on globally using /pref autoRejoin true, or /channel-pref autoRejoin true to turn it on only for the current channel (see tweaking the preferences for more details). |
| 00:22.26 | Thrae | Warning: Be careful on which channels you enable this, as some bots and channel operators will ban people who auto-rejoin when kicked. |
| 00:22.33 | sag_ich_nicht | could someone report to slouken or someone else on the US forums that the WoW error reporter doesn't properly support the latest version fo dbghelp.dll? |
| 00:22.33 | bleeter | this is almost as bad as #pidgin :/ |
| 00:22.41 | cladhaire | bleeter: it comes and goes, to be certain |
| 00:22.46 | cladhaire | seems like this is a lively week |
| 00:22.51 | bleeter | sag_ich_nicht: ouch |
| 00:23.00 | sag_ich_nicht | bleeter: very ouch |
| 00:23.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | i get laughed at for not autorejoining on another network |
| 00:23.05 | sag_ich_nicht | bleeter: what's even better |
| 00:23.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | so the solution is to not get kicked |
| 00:23.23 | KriLL3 | Mr_Rabies2: seems all networks have different rules and standards |
| 00:23.24 | bleeter | Mr_Rabies2++ |
| 00:23.25 | cladhaire | sag_ich_nicht: whats your nick mean/come from? |
| 00:23.32 | KriLL3 | I'm on 7 and all are different |
| 00:23.34 | sag_ich_nicht | it detects my 3070 MB pagefile as -1 |
| 00:23.54 | cladhaire | well, its the responsibility of the client to understand the rules of the network they're connecting to |
| 00:23.59 | bleeter | I'll post it to the bug forum if no one else has already |
| 00:24.00 | cladhaire | and most information tends to be in the MOTD |
| 00:24.11 | sag_ich_nicht | and i suspect WoW just might do the same ;P |
| 00:24.22 | sag_ich_nicht | [02:23] <@cladhaire> sag_ich_nicht: whats your nick mean/come from? <--it's a paradox nick |
| 00:24.26 | sag_ich_nicht | it's german |
| 00:24.31 | Thrae | sag_ich_nicht == "sag" 1 2? |
| 00:24.35 | cladhaire | i got that much :P |
| 00:24.39 | sag_ich_nicht | and basicially says "i won't tell you" |
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| 00:24.49 | KriLL3 | you just did |
| 00:24.50 | bleeter | sag_ich_nicht: erm, you said 'it doesn't support', then 'suspect wow...' so is it a confirmed bug, or just surmising? |
| 00:24.51 | cladhaire | hawt! |
| 00:25.03 | sag_ich_nicht | bleeter: the .dll thing is confirmed |
| 00:25.22 | zenzelezz | does WoW even care about the page file size? That should be the OS's problem |
| 00:25.25 | sag_ich_nicht | i can see it not getting any data from it in the error report details below |
| 00:25.49 | Thrae | zenzelezz: DirectX probably does, as well as WAPI, both of which Windows WoW uses |
| 00:26.01 | sag_ich_nicht | the pagefile size detection might be a bug in the error reporting tool only |
| 00:26.03 | sag_ich_nicht | or a bug in WoW |
| 00:26.23 | zenzelezz | Thrae: but those should get the info from the OS |
| 00:26.30 | Thrae | zenzelezz: It would make sense to optimize pagefile usage in WoW specifically for the program, instead of letting Windows handle it all by itself |
| 00:26.43 | Thrae | zenzelezz: Errr, optimize MEMORY usage, not pagefile usage |
| 00:26.54 | bleeter | sag_ich_nicht: do you have a version # for that .dll? |
| 00:26.59 | sag_ich_nicht | sure |
| 00:27.05 | Thrae | IE, it gets the size of the pagefile according to the OS, gets the size of memory available, then does stuff to try and make the game smoother |
| 00:27.18 | Thrae | Some of my DirectX apps played around with those optimizations too |
| 00:27.26 | cladhaire | well with so much caching going on |
| 00:27.28 | cladhaire | it makes sense |
| 00:27.33 | Thrae | Exactly |
| 00:27.42 | Thrae | Nice 1.7GB data files |
| 00:28.21 | KriLL3 | why does wow slow down if focus shits to another app and then back again? only regains full speed when you shift to windowed mode and back again |
| 00:28.32 | sag_ich_nicht | the one in system32 is 5.1.2600.2180 |
| 00:28.33 | N00bZXI | KriLL3: Bug |
| 00:28.33 | sag_ich_nicht | but |
| 00:28.39 | sag_ich_nicht | i don't think that's the one being called |
| 00:28.40 | N00bZXI | Or I believe it is |
| 00:28.42 | N00bZXI | For me it's fine |
| 00:28.47 | sag_ich_nicht | because that's the release version and i |
| 00:28.51 | KriLL3 | N00bZXI: is there some way to avoid it? |
| 00:29.02 | sag_ich_nicht | 'm pretty sure the debugging tools for windows updated it |
| 00:29.10 | N00bZXI | Not sure, all I really know about it is I keep hearing about it from other people but don't have a problem myself. |
| 00:29.45 | KriLL3 | I've had it on Nvidia and ATI cards, on XP and Vista |
| 00:30.24 | bleeter | sag_ich_nicht: ah, the version of the one in the debugging tools? |
| 00:30.42 | bleeter | sag_ich_nicht: (I'm largely copying and pasting what you're saying, but trying to get as much info in as poss ;-) |
| 00:30.43 | sag_ich_nicht | bleeter: 6.7.5.0 |
| 00:30.58 | sag_ich_nicht | and that's the one being used in the system as default |
| 00:31.00 | cogwheel | KriLL3: solution: run in windowed mode + maximized |
| 00:31.04 | sag_ich_nicht | because of the system variables |
| 00:31.07 | KriLL3 | cogwheel: I am |
| 00:31.17 | N|Tivoli | ckknight does omen have any boss code in it to reset during phases or events? |
| 00:31.18 | cogwheel | Then there's no reason it should slow down |
| 00:31.24 | KriLL3 | it does |
| 00:31.25 | sag_ich_nicht | bleeter on and while you're at it |
| 00:31.28 | cogwheel | unless there's some overlay |
| 00:31.30 | sag_ich_nicht | the localized versions of WoW |
| 00:31.33 | ckknight | N|Tivoli: oh yes (and it's Threat-1.0 that handles it) |
| 00:31.34 | cogwheel | and I've only had that problem on ATI |
| 00:31.42 | sag_ich_nicht | don't properly work with the -console switch |
| 00:31.53 | KriLL3 | I got 3 screens but there is no overlay |
| 00:32.04 | sag_ich_nicht | basicially it's impossible to call up the console with a non-QWERTY keyboard |
| 00:32.37 | N|Tivoli | ckknight thanks |
| 00:32.49 | KriLL3 | not uncommon for consoles to be unaccessible on European keyboards |
| 00:32.49 | cogwheel | KriLL3: I find it happens if a tooltip is showing on the start menu or a new message notification from outlook or something (outlook=at work) |
| 00:32.52 | zenzelezz | the only time my WoW slows down a bit from alt+tabbing is when I load some other memory-heavy program so Windows pushes WoW out of RAM and has to load it back; and that's only a brief slowdown |
| 00:33.46 | KriLL3 | I don't alt+tab, I run a full set of applications + WoW, but I got 2 GB of ram and got plenty free |
| 00:33.57 | bleeter | sag_ich_nicht: bug #1 http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=110562418 |
| 00:34.05 | zenzelezz | alt+tab or switch focus in some other way, it's the same thing |
| 00:34.40 | sag_ich_nicht | bleeter: the .dll and the pagefile size detection have nothing to do with each other |
| 00:34.54 | KriLL3 | It's not because I run 2 video cards? |
| 00:35.15 | sag_ich_nicht | bleeter: the .dll is a tool for doing memory dumps, stack tracing, etc. |
| 00:35.33 | sag_ich_nicht | the error reported normaly uses it's own code for that AND the .dll |
| 00:35.40 | bleeter | sag_ich_nicht: if you can msg me some text edit, I will fix. It's pretty hard to work out exactly what you want me to type in when you split your report over several lines in here :P |
| 00:35.48 | sag_ich_nicht | yeah sure |
| 00:36.20 | KriLL3 | does anyone know the frame name of CTBuffMod? |
| 00:36.28 | KriLL3 | it doesn't want to move to the edge |
| 00:36.49 | bleeter | sag_ich_nicht: 101 QWERTY/console http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=110562425 |
| 00:37.21 | bleeter | sag_ich_nicht: I left your IRC name on that, in case someone wants to chase you up ;) rofl |
| 00:37.43 | KriLL3 | assassins with sharpened keyboards |
| 00:39.05 | KriLL3 | Russians with razor sharp kryllic keyboards |
| 00:39.32 | KriLL3 | or keyboards that glow without being plugged in |
| 00:40.01 | sag_ich_nicht | [02:37] <bleeter> sag_ich_nicht: I left your IRC name on that, in case someone wants to chase you up ;) rofl <--np :P |
| 00:40.05 | sag_ich_nicht | er |
| 00:40.10 | sag_ich_nicht | bad ctrl + b |
| 00:40.11 | sag_ich_nicht | BAD |
| 00:40.13 | sag_ich_nicht | no cookies |
| 00:40.46 | sag_ich_nicht | the other error report was just what was needed :O |
| 00:41.26 | KriLL3 | why does wow base it's UI scaling on 768 pixels vertical and add horizontal pixels depending on aspect ratio? O_o |
| 00:43.34 | Cide | KriLL3: side effect of um |
| 00:43.35 | Cide | backdrops |
| 00:43.43 | KriLL3 | backdrops? |
| 00:43.48 | Cide | yes |
| 00:43.56 | KriLL3 | what backdrops? |
| 00:44.18 | Cide | um, the frame's backdrop... |
| 00:44.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | I'm sorry, the correct answer was: your mom |
| 00:44.38 | Cide | anyway, the frame is CT_BuffMod.buffFrame |
| 00:44.57 | KriLL3 | nope |
| 00:45.02 | Cide | nope? |
| 00:45.18 | KriLL3 | "not a valid frame name" |
| 00:45.21 | Cide | oh |
| 00:45.32 | Cide | I'll see if I can contact the author of CT_BuffMod and get the real frame then |
| 00:45.38 | cladhaire | haha |
| 00:45.40 | TC-Working | *snicker* |
| 00:45.47 | KriLL3 | can you do that in 10 mins? I'm leaving soon. |
| 00:45.50 | sag_ich_nicht | or |
| 00:45.57 | sag_ich_nicht | you could just abuse fluidframes to get the framename |
| 00:46.04 | sag_ich_nicht | quite quickly |
| 00:46.15 | KriLL3 | mousing over it using move anything gives nada |
| 00:46.15 | Cide | hahaha, this is turning out great |
| 00:46.21 | cladhaire | Cide: I loves it. |
| 00:46.24 | TC-Working | so going to be imortalized |
| 00:46.42 | Cide | KriLL3: working on it, trying to get ahold of him right now |
| 00:46.47 | Cide | it usually takes a while |
| 00:46.49 | N00bZXI | Question: Is there anywhere I can find arguements for PLAYER_AURAS_CHANGED event? WoWWiki doesn't list them |
| 00:46.53 | Cide | (slow to respond on emails) |
| 00:46.53 | KriLL3 | cheers, I'm a busy person you know. |
| 00:47.00 | Cide | ok, I'm here, what's up? |
| 00:47.04 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 00:47.11 | KriLL3 | (note: I was joking) |
| 00:47.19 | zenzelezz | sure you were |
| 00:47.20 | KriLL3 | for the once that missed it |
| 00:47.37 | KriLL3 | zenzelezz: lrn2spotsarcasm =P |
| 00:47.38 | Cide | do this |
| 00:47.48 | Cide | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:47.55 | Cide | and then use CT_BuffModFrame as your frame name |
| 00:48.09 | KriLL3 | odd that some CTmod frames are immune to move anything's all seeing eye... |
| 00:48.20 | zenzelezz | why? |
| 00:48.33 | Cide | ctmod's frames are pretty awesome like that |
| 00:48.38 | cladhaire | N00bZXI: there are no arguments. |
| 00:48.41 | cladhaire | it means |
| 00:48.44 | cladhaire | "player" |
| 00:48.48 | cladhaire | auras changed |
| 00:48.52 | zenzelezz | frames need privacy too |
| 00:48.54 | cladhaire | and apparently my enter key is stuck donw :P |
| 00:49.15 | KriLL3 | Cide: did that, when I press enter on /move CT_BuffModFrame nothing happens |
| 00:49.35 | N00bZXI | cladhaire: Thanks |
| 00:49.39 | KriLL3 | adding/removing a letter gives the error, but that I can't enter |
| 00:49.54 | cladhaire | N00bZXI: UNIT_AURA fires arg1= the unit |
| 00:49.56 | cladhaire | which would also fire in this case. |
| 00:49.59 | cladhaire | afaik |
| 00:50.11 | KriLL3 | hitting enter doesn't do anything, just says /move CT_BuffModFrame(blinking text marker) |
| 00:50.16 | KriLL3 | never seen anything like that... |
| 00:50.35 | N00bZXI | Well in that case I don't see a way of only updating my buffs addon if the buff that changed was something that concerns it |
| 00:50.39 | N00bZXI | Shame :\ |
| 00:51.12 | KriLL3 | zenzelezz: well it's anoying when some CTMod elements don't scale with other elements, like the ctmod minimap icon, most people that got the option doesn't run the minimap in 1.0 scale |
| 00:51.36 | zenzelezz | I do :-p |
| 00:51.46 | bleeter | ok, the above two bug URLs have had their edits finished, if anyone with a US forum account feels the need to followup |
| 00:51.51 | KriLL3 | well UI scale, resolution etc plays a part |
| 00:51.59 | KriLL3 | 1.0 is horribly small for me |
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| 00:54.03 | KriLL3 | the CT_BuffMod frame using it's own move function doesn't allow you to put it against any edge, stops 5 pixels short... |
| 00:55.23 | JoshBorke | KriLL3: because it probably is clamped to screen |
| 00:58.57 | Cide | KriLL3: technically it IS against the edge |
| 00:59.03 | Cide | however, the background is, again, a backdrop |
| 00:59.19 | Cide | which means that it's showing up ~5px from the actual border of the frame |
| 00:59.30 | KriLL3 | I can move most frames right to the edge, and past it |
| 00:59.44 | JoshBorke | KriLL3: most frames probably aren't clamped to screen |
| 01:00.01 | Cide | so CT_BuffModFrame:SetClampedToScreen(false) |
| 01:00.33 | N00bZXI | That'll work until a relog, then it gets created and clamped again |
| 01:00.39 | Cide | yep |
| 01:00.53 | sag_ich_nicht | i bet i could move them with fluidframes(but it might be ugly after a reload). :O |
| 01:03.16 | sag_ich_nicht | oh and since some people probably overlooked what bleeter did for me |
| 01:03.25 | sag_ich_nicht | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=110562444 |
| 01:03.25 | sag_ich_nicht | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=110562418 |
| 01:03.30 | sag_ich_nicht | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=110562425 |
| 01:03.33 | sag_ich_nicht | :O |
| 01:03.58 | Cide | um |
| 01:04.04 | Cide | nice spam! |
| 01:04.58 | KriLL3 | If I make an eePanel the exact size of a chatframe, should I do a texture for that frame the same dimensions as the eePanel is? |
| 01:05.00 | sag_ich_nicht | is exposes some things are foul in the house of blizzard... if the devs are using years old debugging systems :P |
| 01:06.31 | KriLL3 | I'm running in 16:10 aspect ratio, and 85% UI scale, thus my actual UI res is 1445x883 correct? |
| 01:07.20 | KriLL3 | and thus if I make a photoshop image of that res and chop it into pieces and then match up thouse pieces using eePanels I get 1:1... correct? |
| 01:07.54 | ckknight | ~768/0.85 |
| 01:07.55 | purl | 903.529411764706 |
| 01:08.02 | ckknight | no, KriLL3 |
| 01:08.07 | KriLL3 | ? |
| 01:08.21 | bleeter | whoa http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=110412369&sid=1 |
| 01:08.24 | ckknight | if you're at 85% UI scale, your height is 904px |
| 01:08.41 | ckknight | in case you didn't know, 1/0.85 ≠1.15 |
| 01:09.12 | KriLL3 | 768*1,15=883,2 |
| 01:10.34 | sag_ich_nicht | bleeter: just saw that as well, i suspect it's some XSS |
| 01:11.15 | sag_ich_nicht | i remember seing a list of someone steeling well over 10000 myspace & LJ logins using XSS |
| 01:11.30 | sag_ich_nicht | *stealing |
| 01:11.45 | KriLL3 | 768/0,85 = 903,529411765 768*1,15 = 883,2 am I terribly stupid or shouldn't those 2 match? O_o |
| 01:12.13 | ckknight | they shouldn't |
| 01:12.16 | sag_ich_nicht | KriLL3 are you still trying to move that frame? |
| 01:12.17 | ckknight | ~1/0.85 |
| 01:12.18 | purl | 1.176470588235 |
| 01:12.27 | ckknight | KriLL3: it's like thinking 1/0.5 == 1.5 |
| 01:12.31 | ckknight | when it actually == 2 |
| 01:12.44 | ckknight | or 1/2 == 0, when it actually equals 0.5 |
| 01:12.50 | KriLL3 | sag_ich_nicht: yeah, still hitting an invisible wall 5 pixels away |
| 01:13.28 | cladhaire | batrick: Ping when you have a moment. |
| 01:13.32 | sag_ich_nicht | KriLL3 might i suggest you try moving it with mobileframes(you should probably disable moveanything before you try that though)? :P |
| 01:14.00 | batrick | i've never done that before |
| 01:14.03 | batrick | >.> |
| 01:14.07 | batrick | in irc anyway |
| 01:15.18 | sag_ich_nicht | KriLL3: http://www.cosmosui.org/files/addons/FluidFrames.zip |
| 01:15.38 | batrick | ah |
| 01:15.38 | batrick | there |
| 01:15.42 | batrick | all u wanted? |
| 01:16.31 | cladhaire | heheh |
| 01:17.17 | sag_ich_nicht | KriLL3: you'll have to create keybinding to get it to work though(i'm using , and . for it) :P |
| 01:17.20 | sag_ich_nicht | +a |
| 01:17.23 | KriLL3 | ckknight: I just made an eePanel 904 pixels high, putting it at 904 pixels vertical gives a bar across the screen, 905 gives 1 row of pixels bellow and 903 gives one row of pixels above... |
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| 01:17.49 | ckknight | *shrug* |
| 01:18.38 | KriLL3 | I still can't get the logic of /0.85 =|= *1.15 ... should be 15% change... |
| 01:18.56 | sag_ich_nicht | uh |
| 01:19.25 | sag_ich_nicht | 2/.085=2,3529411764705882352941176470588 |
| 01:19.32 | sag_ich_nicht | erm |
| 01:19.33 | sag_ich_nicht | typo |
| 01:19.37 | sag_ich_nicht | 2/0.85=2,3529411764705882352941176470588 |
| 01:19.57 | sag_ich_nicht | 2*1.15=2,3 |
| 01:20.00 | sag_ich_nicht | erm |
| 01:20.04 | sag_ich_nicht | god damn you german windows xp |
| 01:20.09 | sag_ich_nicht | 2/0.85=2.3529411764705882352941176470588 |
| 01:20.12 | sag_ich_nicht | 2*1.15=2.3 |
| 01:20.13 | sag_ich_nicht | there :P |
| 01:20.46 | KriLL3 | still, seems it should be 15% either way... |
| 01:20.52 | sag_ich_nicht | uh |
| 01:20.55 | sag_ich_nicht | look |
| 01:20.55 | sag_ich_nicht | at |
| 01:20.57 | sag_ich_nicht | the |
| 01:21.03 | sag_ich_nicht | results of my god damn calculation |
| 01:21.12 | sag_ich_nicht | they are NOT THE SAME. thus it is NOT THE SAME |
| 01:21.15 | KriLL3 | I have, and at my own |
| 01:21.28 | KriLL3 | my mind still claims it should be |
| 01:21.46 | sag_ich_nicht | Only mathematicans can teach absolute and perfect truths |
| 01:21.48 | sag_ich_nicht | so |
| 01:21.51 | sag_ich_nicht | your brain is wrong |
| 01:21.52 | sag_ich_nicht | :P |
| 01:21.58 | sag_ich_nicht | go and try it out |
| 01:22.04 | KriLL3 | yeah I know it is wrong |
| 01:22.08 | sag_ich_nicht | use some matches or something |
| 01:22.09 | KriLL3 | I just can't figure out why |
| 01:22.13 | sag_ich_nicht | and re-arrange them |
| 01:22.16 | sag_ich_nicht | then you will |
| 01:22.40 | Cide | 1 = 1 |
| 01:22.44 | Cide | 1/0.85 = 1*1.15 |
| 01:22.48 | Cide | 1/0.85 = 1.15 |
| 01:22.52 | Cide | 1 = 1.15 * 0.85 |
| 01:22.55 | Cide | >>> 1.15 * 0.85 |
| 01:22.55 | Cide | Cide: 0.9775 |
| 01:22.56 | KriLL3 | well I've used eePanels to match my ingame UI res, 1445x904 |
| 01:23.00 | Cide | >>> 1.15 * 0.85 == 1 |
| 01:23.00 | Cide | Cide: false |
| 01:25.13 | KriLL3 | If I made a .psd 1445x904 design a UI backdrop and then chop it up in power of 2 sized textures and put said textures into eePanels it should match up in size, correct? |
| 01:25.35 | sag_ich_nicht | KriLL3 |
| 01:25.37 | sag_ich_nicht | how about |
| 01:25.43 | sag_ich_nicht | you just try out my suggestion from above :P |
| 01:25.54 | KriLL3 | this isn't about the ctmod frame |
| 01:26.01 | sag_ich_nicht | oh right :P |
| 01:26.07 | KriLL3 | It's about me designing my own UI backdrop |
| 01:26.11 | sag_ich_nicht | :) |
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| 01:26.23 | sag_ich_nicht | sorry if i missunderstood something there |
| 01:26.27 | KriLL3 | np |
| 01:26.38 | sag_ich_nicht | still, 1.15 * 0.85 != 1 |
| 01:26.40 | sag_ich_nicht | :P |
| 01:26.57 | KriLL3 | my mind still claims it is... |
| 01:27.02 | sag_ich_nicht | just. |
| 01:27.02 | sag_ich_nicht | get. |
| 01:27.04 | sag_ich_nicht | matches. |
| 01:27.07 | sag_ich_nicht | and rerrange them. |
| 01:27.09 | KriLL3 | if it doesn't stop soon I'll introduce it to a wall |
| 01:27.32 | sag_ich_nicht | no it's just that it's badly wired |
| 01:27.57 | sag_ich_nicht | use the superior position of the visual cortex in the network that is the brain to overwrite it |
| 01:28.02 | sag_ich_nicht | thus: try it out, visually |
| 01:28.03 | KriLL3 | oh, there is an addon that shows a grid for aligning addons etc, correct? could someone linky? |
| 01:28.22 | sag_ich_nicht | now i head to bed |
| 01:28.28 | KriLL3 | nn :) |
| 01:28.28 | sag_ich_nicht | thanks again for posting these reports bleeter :P |
| 01:28.47 | Grissom | @KriLL3: Align - http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7231-Align.html |
| 01:29.39 | sag_ich_nicht | anyway |
| 01:29.41 | sag_ich_nicht | oh wait |
| 01:29.41 | KriLL3 | ty |
| 01:29.43 | sag_ich_nicht | i already said that |
| 01:29.56 | sag_ich_nicht | night |
| 01:31.43 | Thunder_Child | cladhaire. were you going to enable moving the names over thr bars for priad, or were you just saying it? |
| 01:31.47 | Thunder_Child | night sag_ich_nicht |
| 01:32.49 | cladhaire | no you can change it easily |
| 01:32.53 | cladhaire | btu maing it an option is harsder |
| 01:33.01 | Thunder_Child | ok, how would i change it then? |
| 01:33.14 | Thunder_Child | or should i poke? |
| 01:34.12 | cladhaire | lemme look quick |
| 01:34.30 | Thunder_Child | ok, thanks |
| 01:35.16 | cladhaire | Perfectraid:UpdateButtonLayour() |
| 01:35.17 | cladhaire | Layout() |
| 01:35.21 | cladhaire | iotsw all the layout colde, pretty simple. |
| 01:35.29 | KriLL3 | am I correct in 768/10*16/0,85 = 1445,64705882, 768/0,85 = 903,529411765 thus a 1445x904 PSD chopped into 512/256 sized textures would match up ingame? |
| 01:35.49 | Thunder_Child | ok, i'll go mess with it, thanks |
| 01:36.19 | cladhaire | Thunder_Child: should be very easy there |
| 01:36.32 | KriLL3 | and if I make a 1445x904 PSD and export the portions in 32Bit TGA will the textures look sharp ingame? |
| 01:36.45 | Thunder_Child | heh, easy if you know what your doing... |
| 01:37.19 | cladhaire | i think you'll find it easier than you'd think =) |
| 01:37.25 | cladhaire | just hop into a raid, tweak, reload, etc. |
| 01:37.38 | cladhaire | if i get a chance i'll try to tell you what specifically |
| 01:39.57 | KriLL3 | when people make elements to add to the WoW UI how to they scale it? since everyone uses a different UI scale it must be a nightmare to get the something the size you wished it to be |
| 01:40.45 | ckknight | KriLL3: I have a slider that users can set |
| 01:41.04 | Corrodias | gruul's lair is a wipefest, yay! |
| 01:41.11 | Corrodias | although we're getting closer to pulling right |
| 01:41.16 | Corrodias | (on maulgar) |
| 01:41.16 | KriLL3 | a parent that isn't UIParent and a slider that changes the parents scale? :> |
| 01:41.27 | KriLL3 | Corrodias: I hope you aren't tank |
| 01:41.36 | Corrodias | i sure am |
| 01:41.55 | Corrodias | i've gotten pulling the warlock down properly, now, but we still need to tweak the strategy |
| 01:42.08 | KriLL3 | I hope you get repair money |
| 01:42.29 | Corrodias | oh, certainly |
| 01:42.37 | Cide | if the tank dies, everyone dies, so meh |
| 01:42.51 | Corrodias | some of the others can run out |
| 01:42.56 | Thunder_Child | that could be said about the healer is well |
| 01:43.02 | Thunder_Child | s/is/as/ |
| 01:43.02 | Cide | depends on the placement |
| 01:43.15 | Cide | but ya, a lucky few can run out |
| 01:43.21 | Cide | but in any case |
| 01:43.28 | Cide | dealing with maulgar himself is rather easy |
| 01:45.05 | KriLL3 | why does my minimap icons return from the places I've moved em to on logon? :< |
| 01:46.03 | KriLL3 | I don't want the minimap icons around the minimap, I want them in a straight line like a bar, but no... set em all up and log out and half of them run back to mommy minimap... |
| 01:47.26 | Corrodias | our raid leader is pronouncing "cliff" as "clip" |
| 01:47.54 | KriLL3 | well it's Klippa in Swedish... |
| 01:49.55 | cladhaire | hrm |
| 01:50.00 | cladhaire | my mobile in ireland is goign to be more expensive than I had anticipated. |
| 01:53.31 | KriLL3 | cellphones usually end up more expensive than you anticipate |
| 01:54.10 | KriLL3 | it's a law of nature, like gravity |
| 01:54.14 | bleeter | cladhaire: just a thought... if most of your calls will be to the UK, maybe getting a UK mobile *might* be better.. /shrug |
| 01:54.23 | cladhaire | they will be |
| 01:54.40 | cladhaire | we're thinking tho |
| 01:54.47 | cladhaire | blackberry might make things easier overall |
| 01:54.51 | cladhaire | googletalk, aim, and push email |
| 01:54.54 | cladhaire | only 20 euro a month |
| 01:54.58 | cladhaire | saves lots on talking, potentially |
| 01:55.00 | bleeter | indeed |
| 01:55.22 | cladhaire | and Vodafone Ireland business plans, don't roam in the UK |
| 01:55.27 | cladhaire | if I can be eligible for that |
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| 01:55.59 | cladhaire | but plans are still expensive, and it seem in ireland, I have to pay for the phone, whereas that's not typical in the UK |
| 01:56.06 | cladhaire | ~229 euro in us dollars |
| 01:56.13 | cladhaire | ~google 229 euro in us dollars |
| 01:56.49 | KriLL3 | ¬229 in $ works :> |
| 01:57.03 | cladhaire | but purl is teh broken right now anyway |
| 01:57.03 | cladhaire | heh |
| 01:57.08 | cladhaire | i was being lzy |
| 01:57.11 | KriLL3 | 304 |
| 01:57.17 | mikma | cladhaire: ummmm, that's quite expensive if you're talking about cellphone |
| 01:57.35 | cladhaire | mikma: thats the Blackberry Pearl |
| 01:57.38 | cladhaire | consistent with prices over here |
| 01:57.39 | bleeter | cladhaire: I've always found oanda.com track Xrates well |
| 01:57.40 | cladhaire | we just dont pay for them |
| 01:58.08 | mikma | how abou i buy you a nice little 39e phone (new) from here and send it to you ;) |
| 01:58.11 | bleeter | cladhaire: don't forget you *might* be able to schwing it duty free somewhere ;) |
| 01:58.19 | cladhaire | orly? |
| 01:58.27 | cladhaire | the same phone is free with vodafone uk =/ |
| 02:01.37 | bleeter | cladhaire: question from guildies. any hopes that Lightheaded may one day interface to MetaMap? |
| 02:01.47 | cladhaire | i dont know what metamap is. |
| 02:02.12 | bleeter | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info4788-MetaMap |
| 02:02.22 | bleeter | tho it's not responding atm |
| 02:02.31 | bleeter | it's similar thing to carto/tomtom |
| 02:02.37 | bleeter | (from what I glanced at) |
| 02:02.47 | cladhaire | why not use tomtom or cart? |
| 02:03.00 | cladhaire | perferably tomtom cause it only does one thing, and works with the maps :P |
| 02:03.20 | KriLL3 | does anyone know what texture most of blizzard's frames use? the dark rough stone background is the one I'm seeking |
| 02:04.08 | bleeter | cladhaire: 'coz.. people have a huge MM db, and don't want to switch and lose data? /shrug |
| 02:04.33 | mikma | err, ok? |
| 02:04.48 | mikma | TomTom works without any other map-addons |
| 02:04.52 | mikma | so tell them to get that |
| 02:04.58 | cladhaire | yeah, |
| 02:05.10 | cladhaire | quest log navpoints should be per session, not saved |
| 02:05.12 | cladhaire | in almost all cases |
| 02:05.19 | cladhaire | and TomTom should work just fine with MetaMap |
| 02:05.23 | cladhaire | if not, I can work to make it so. |
| 02:05.29 | cladhaire | TomTom has one very specific purpose =) |
| 02:05.58 | cladhaire | bleeter: Looks like I might be able to get Vodaphone passport eithe rway |
| 02:06.03 | bleeter | hehe, indeed. just that if people already have a mod that provides a similar (if not same) function, they'll be adverse to adding in yet another mod. is all. |
| 02:06.03 | cladhaire | and then I have free roaming between UK/Ireland |
| 02:06.09 | cladhaire | just working out how much its gonna cost monthly |
| 02:06.12 | bleeter | cladhaire: ooh, that's nice |
| 02:06.17 | cladhaire | still expensive tho |
| 02:06.21 | cladhaire | the phone is free if i buy in the UK tho |
| 02:06.46 | KriLL3 | free phone is an oxymoron |
| 02:06.59 | cladhaire | KriLL3: Not when the option is free, or pay 229 euro |
| 02:07.34 | KriLL3 | I haven't seen a single carrier that doesn't make you pay for the phone in added monthly fees, ever. |
| 02:07.38 | cladhaire | well |
| 02:07.41 | cladhaire | look at vodafone.ie |
| 02:07.54 | bleeter | dolby-wowi: any progress on 'last-modified' headers? |
| 02:08.00 | KriLL3 | .ie ? |
| 02:08.03 | cladhaire | yes.. ireland |
| 02:08.06 | cladhaire | cause that's the country we're talking aboutl. |
| 02:08.19 | KriLL3 | .co.uk = ireland? |
| 02:08.23 | cladhaire | no |
| 02:08.26 | cladhaire | the UK is not ireland. |
| 02:08.29 | cladhaire | ireland is not the UK. |
| 02:08.31 | bleeter | .co.uk = Nth Ireland |
| 02:08.33 | KriLL3 | northen ireland |
| 02:08.36 | bleeter | .ie = Republic of Ireland |
| 02:08.38 | cladhaire | which is not ireland |
| 02:08.42 | cladhaire | ireland == republic of ireland |
| 02:08.47 | bleeter | Ireland is the island |
| 02:08.56 | KriLL3 | so northen ireland is the fake ireland? :| |
| 02:09.01 | cladhaire | yes, but in common speech, you say northern ireland for northern ireland |
| 02:09.08 | cladhaire | and ireland for the republic of ireland. |
| 02:09.15 | bleeter | cladhaire: depends if you're a Unionist or a Republican |
| 02:09.28 | cladhaire | bleeter: I'm neither, and RoI is bigger |
| 02:09.29 | cladhaire | =) |
| 02:09.29 | bleeter | one has to be *very* careful about this kinda stuff near the border ;) |
| 02:09.54 | cladhaire | I wouldn't say this in Ireland |
| 02:09.54 | bleeter | ie, don't go spouting off stuff you don't know about in a small country pup late at night when drunk etc. etc. |
| 02:09.56 | cladhaire | too dangerous |
| 02:09.59 | bleeter | yes, I speak from experience |
| 02:10.04 | bleeter | *pub |
| 02:10.08 | cladhaire | =) |
| 02:10.22 | cladhaire | the phone costs 169 euro at the CHEAPEST |
| 02:10.28 | cladhaire | 229 euro with the cheapest plpan |
| 02:10.30 | cladhaire | i have this fun habit where i don't actually lie |
| 02:10.32 | cladhaire | its neat. |
| 02:10.43 | cladhaire | and don't liek to be questioned about shit I clearly know more than you arbout by the way KriLL3 |
| 02:10.57 | KriLL3 | ... I didn't question you |
| 02:11.15 | cladhaire | I haven't seen a single carrier that doesn't make you pay for the phone in added monthly fees, ever. |
| 02:11.30 | KriLL3 | that is speaking from experience |
| 02:11.35 | cladhaire | fine, grats |
| 02:11.46 | cladhaire | i'll take everything you say as blatant opinino then |
| 02:11.50 | cladhaire | i thought we actually had conversations here. |
| 02:11.57 | KriLL3 | phone companies got an absolute talent making it seem cheap, then bite you in the ass |
| 02:12.18 | bleeter | welcome to corporate economics 101 |
| 02:13.46 | cladhaire | well the phone in ireland is 229, the phone in the Uk is free |
| 02:13.49 | cladhaire | so i may end up buying it there |
| 02:13.54 | cladhaire | and getting data roaming. |
| 02:14.04 | cladhaire | if possible. |
| 02:15.58 | KriLL3 | I like ABF well enough, but moments like this I just question their DJ's music taste... |
| 02:16.13 | KriLL3 | Trance Remix of ABBA - Mamma Mia... |
| 02:19.56 | Corrodias | i managed to pull maulgar early once. i love me. |
| 02:20.10 | Corrodias | but that was on the second attempt as i stood there for 3 seconds before he decided to aggro |
| 02:20.36 | Corrodias | we haven't killed any of them, yet, but it's getting closer |
| 02:21.04 | Corrodias | i don't think our mage has enough health, although that time the maulgar tank got hit for 14000 in two attacks... |
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| 02:24.58 | Corrodias | now we're taking a break |
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| 02:37.49 | Thunder_Child | you know, placeholder frames should be included in *every* addon that uses player/party/raid frames |
| 02:40.02 | Thunder_Child | cladhaire, "19:39:06 [*] Lua error: Interface\AddOns\PerfectRaid\PerfectRaid.lua:777: attempt to compare number with nil" |
| 02:40.42 | cladhaire | that shouldn't be able ot happen |
| 02:40.44 | cladhaire | try rebooting. |
| 02:40.49 | cladhaire | i mean reloading. |
| 02:40.50 | cladhaire | lol |
| 02:41.27 | Thunder_Child | am...BG may end before i finish realoading though |
| 02:42.09 | Thunder_Child | heh, did |
| 02:42.53 | Thrae | Windows Next Gen. Basic -- It will only have a web browser, basic email program, text editor, Solitare, Minesweeper, and support for Office-type Suite products (what most people use the computer for). It will cost $100. It will not allow the installation of anything else. |
| 02:43.04 | Thrae | You know it's coming! |
| 02:45.05 | Thrae | Karrion|Food: I hope your food is not also Carrion ;) |
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| 02:50.11 | Thunder_Child | ok, hasent happend again clad. also dont work about the name text...seems to be fine where it is |
| 02:50.30 | Thunder_Child | though i did alter the textures :) |
| 02:50.42 | cladhaire_ | =) |
| 02:50.46 | cladhaire_ | what did you do |
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| 02:54.30 | Thunder_Child | with the textures? |
| 02:55.08 | Thunder_Child | err..dont worry* about the name...sry BG and typing dont mix* |
| 02:55.22 | Corrodias | well, we did not succeed against maulgar, although we did last long enough to get the priest ogre down |
| 02:55.30 | Corrodias | our mage really didn't have the health for it |
| 02:55.44 | Corrodias | 10k raid buffed, fireballs hit for 9k |
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| 02:59.47 | Thunder_Child | anyone else having wow connection issues? |
| 02:59.51 | bleeter | yup |
| 03:00.11 | Thunder_Child | oh good, it's not me |
| 03:00.50 | bleeter | there was a logon message about network issues for nth calif comcast users |
| 03:01.02 | bleeter | so maybe they've had some further network issues |
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| 03:01.19 | Thunder_Child | i am socal... |
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| 03:01.48 | bleeter | Thunder_Child: k, got login again... trying to enter world |
| 03:01.58 | bleeter | in and dead :( |
| 03:02.08 | Thunder_Child | yea, it kicked me...then couldnt log in...now am in |
| 03:02.25 | Thunder_Child | are you commcast turrend time warner? |
| 03:02.39 | bleeter | nope, I'm australia |
| 03:02.58 | Thunder_Child | ah, they havent sunk in their hooks there yet then |
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| 03:04.06 | bleeter | if they have, doubt it's outside the 'big three' cities (east coast mainland capitals) |
| 03:04.17 | bleeter | net in .au => bullshit ;) |
| 03:04.35 | bleeter | as typified by http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2007/06/14/1506_cartoon_gallery__470x284,0.jpg |
| 03:05.22 | Thunder_Child | go http://www.speedtest.net/ then look bottom right under "The Top 5" -> continents |
| 03:05.29 | Thunder_Child | should be on that by default |
| 03:06.05 | Thunder_Child | although i just read the word...wtf is Australasia |
| 03:06.36 | bleeter | well, there's australia.. then there's australia + new zealand |
| 03:06.45 | KriLL3 | Oceania |
| 03:06.50 | bleeter | then there's Oceania, which is .au, .nz, polynesia, micronesia |
| 03:07.13 | Thunder_Child | you guys dont get your own stuff? |
| 03:07.23 | bleeter | then there's Australiasia which tends to include Indonesia, Sinapore, PNG, East Timor (Timore Leste) with Oceania |
| 03:07.40 | bleeter | Oceania generally != Australasia |
| 03:07.53 | KriLL3 | look at top 5 nations =P |
| 03:07.58 | bleeter | it's almost like saying Iceland is physically part of Denmark |
| 03:08.27 | KriLL3 | Sweden is #2 with our extremely low population density |
| 03:09.02 | KriLL3 | eat it, eat it with a spork. |
| 03:09.46 | Thunder_Child | so sad, 68 and i am just geting my epic mount |
| 03:09.51 | bleeter | also, depending on context, australia can mean eastern Asia continent + Australian continent plate... it's quite a non-geographically specific term |
| 03:09.55 | KriLL3 | 10033/843 :> |
| 03:10.04 | bleeter | *australasia can mean... |
| 03:10.20 | KriLL3 | Thunder_Child: druid? |
| 03:10.27 | Thunder_Child | nope, priest |
| 03:10.53 | KriLL3 | druids get flight form 68 and get the slow flying mount still for free with that |
| 03:12.10 | Thunder_Child | gah, i have 32 stacks of scraps |
| 03:15.21 | KriLL3 | Thunder_Child: http://www.speedtest.net/result/140431327.png |
| 03:16.03 | Thunder_Child | not bad, with a ~200 diff |
| 03:16.19 | KriLL3 | ? |
| 03:16.26 | Thunder_Child | err..dist* |
| 03:17.00 | Thunder_Child | is mine http://www.speedtest.net/result/140431895.png |
| 03:17.08 | KriLL3 | that speed test sends a too small file, it's still climbing when it's done |
| 03:17.26 | Thunder_Child | btwm thats with wow & auctioneer running |
| 03:17.35 | Thunder_Child | s/btwm/btw/ |
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| 03:21.28 | bleeter | Thunder_Child: which version of auctioneer? release or the devel? |
| 03:21.40 | bleeter | (and by devel, I mean auc5 from trunk) |
| 03:21.55 | Thunder_Child | release i think...let me check |
| 03:22.05 | Thunder_Child | 4.0.2 |
| 03:22.18 | Thunder_Child | i dont mind beta testing |
| 03:22.42 | bleeter | trunk's not ready for beta testing |
| 03:23.03 | bleeter | missing a couple of key features... but it's shaping up real nice. memory footprint is... *tiny* (in comparison) |
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| 03:23.39 | Thunder_Child | heh, it's using 25.72 Mib atm |
| 03:24.01 | Thunder_Child | make that 28 |
| 03:24.05 | Thunder_Child | 29... |
| 03:25.46 | bleeter | if I could find the upload of norgs' funky new AH UI... I'd show you some of it lol |
| 03:26.40 | bleeter | but, in a nutshell, auc5 is modular. and he's got a new display module that'll colour the values, etc., based upon the variance of what it's estimated the best price is (eg, green/red text for buy/avoid etc.) |
| 03:28.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Ha, nothing like changing your KTM code to not report to the raid :P |
| 03:34.27 | bleeter | Cairenn|afk: 2.0.2 pidgin tarballs are released, windows version should be built and released in the next 24 hours |
| 03:34.40 | Cairenn|afk | danke |
| 03:34.43 | bleeter | bitte |
| 03:34.50 | Cairenn|afk | :) |
| 03:35.36 | batrick | when I create a tab in lua... it's really small for some reason until I hide then show the parent window... anybody know how to fix this without doing that? |
| 03:35.36 | Thunder_Child | lol, i was about to say, pfft who cares....then i look over and see that i am running pidgin..... |
| 03:36.24 | Thunder_Child | so ty bleeter, even if it wasnt directed to the channel as a whole |
| 03:37.00 | bleeter | Thunder_Child: I know that Cairenn|afk runs Pidgin Win32, so as a matter of courtesy to the #'s owners I try to let her know when new releases occur |
| 03:37.23 | bleeter | ~lart MentalPower|Work |
| 03:37.23 | purl | holds MentalPower|Work to the floor and spanks him with a cat-o-nine-tails |
| 03:37.33 | MentalPower|Work | lol! |
| 03:37.45 | Cairenn|afk | since he also knows that I'm willing to hop into their channel with semi-coherent bug reports when necessary, as well |
| 03:37.47 | bleeter | u lub teh spanx |
| 03:38.08 | batrick | so I guess that's a "no one knows" |
| 03:38.10 | batrick | dang : ( |
| 03:38.26 | bleeter | where 'semi-coherent' = 'far more intelligent than 99.99% of other bug reporters' |
| 03:38.32 | Cairenn|afk | :) |
| 03:39.03 | Cairenn|afk | although I shouldn't really smile, since given the average intelligence of 99.99% of users, it doesn't take all that much ;) |
| 03:39.12 | bleeter | sometimes I wonder why I chose these two areas of Open/Free/etc. source to 'work' in... IM and Gaming. ugh. |
| 03:40.37 | cogwheel | anyone know which is cheaper? GetItemInfo(GetContainerItemLink(bag, slot)) or GetContainerItemLink(bag, slot):match("%[(.-)%]") |
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| 03:42.30 | bleeter | Thunder_Child: eg, auc5 is using less than 3.77MB on my toon atm |
| 03:42.32 | bleeter | gnight clad|sleep |
| 03:42.41 | clad|sleep | night |
| 03:42.41 | Cairenn|afk | night clad|sleep |
| 03:42.43 | Thunder_Child | heh |
| 03:42.49 | Thunder_Child | night clad |
| 03:44.51 | cogwheel | ok... so the ratio is approx 10:6 in case anyone's interested |
| 03:44.59 | cogwheel | strmatch 4tw |
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| 03:49.08 | TheZanke | so get this |
| 03:49.15 | TheZanke | my friends accoutn got hacked |
| 03:49.21 | TheZanke | then he goes and buys a new one |
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| 03:49.25 | TheZanke | and a gamecard |
| 03:49.27 | TheZanke | and BC |
| 03:49.30 | Aella | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:49.49 | Aella | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:49.51 | TheZanke | and there was no gamecard in the box and the BC key had already been used (though the case was sealed) |
| 03:49.53 | TheZanke | lmfao |
| 03:49.54 | Aella | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:50.02 | cogwheel | yeesh |
| 03:50.11 | TheZanke | and he just quit his job today |
| 03:50.16 | TheZanke | he got screwed over 3 times |
| 03:50.26 | TheZanke | had a 70 warrior and rogue |
| 03:51.03 | Aella | Just, you know, someone who decides to insult everyone who's trying to help him because he doesn't know how to download and extract a zip archive. |
| 03:51.17 | Aella | And he doesn't provide enough information for us to figure that out. |
| 03:51.18 | TheZanke | l2winrar |
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| 03:52.29 | bleeter | l27zip |
| 03:52.55 | Nom- | lol |
| 03:52.55 | Nom- | I are Pentium of Borg. Division is futile. You will be approximated. |
| 03:52.56 | Cairenn|afk | l2winzip :p |
| 03:53.18 | Cairenn|afk | that is still the default, and I wish to hell people would stop uploading as other things |
| 03:53.20 | bleeter | "I am dyslexic of borg, your ass will be laminated." |
| 03:53.46 | Nom- | If at first you don't succeed, call it version 1.0 |
| 03:54.15 | Aella | If at first you succeed but think it really could be better, call it a beta. |
| 03:54.52 | cogwheel | is there a programmatic way to determine the number of inventory slots on the paper doll frame or should I just take it for granted that they won't be adding new ones? |
| 03:55.06 | Nom- | lol quality signage for the door of your office |
| 03:55.08 | Nom- | "Mental backup in progress - Do Not Disturb! " |
| 03:56.49 | Aella | cogwheel: I see no API nor any FrameXML constant that would be relevant. |
| 03:57.04 | N|Tivoli | cogwheel if they add a new slot, i'm sure we would know way ahead of time ^^ |
| 03:57.09 | cogwheel | same... thanks for the confirmation :) |
| 03:57.25 | N|Tivoli | unless your character grows another head for a neck slot ^^ |
| 03:57.26 | Nom- | Old programmers never die; they just give up their resources. |
| 03:57.44 | Aella | Programmers don't die, they're garbage-collected |
| 03:57.56 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+v Cide] by ChanServ |
| 03:58.13 | Cide | more like |
| 03:58.17 | bleeter | personally, I beleive priests should be allowed two neck slots. one for a 'religious' item, one for a trinket thing... but that's just me |
| 03:58.36 | bleeter | quite a number of religions would find the idea abhorrent, I'm sure |
| 03:59.22 | Cide | programmers never get freed, they're locally referenced |
| 03:59.48 | Aella | By what, though? |
| 03:59.56 | Cide | their employer, naturally |
| 04:00.40 | Thrae | I made joke code in C syntax, but forgot semi-colons...ugh |
| 04:01.04 | Aella | function retirement() assert(programmer.burntOut); programmer = nil; end |
| 04:01.16 | Nom- | The generation of random numbers is too important to be left to chance. |
| 04:01.42 | Thrae | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=110412475&sid=1 <-- funny you should mention that, Nom- |
| 04:02.06 | Nom- | There are two ways to write error-free programs; only the third one works. |
| 04:04.38 | Nom- | To define recursion, we must first define recursion. |
| 04:05.24 | Nom- | You know you're in trouble when your computer has more memory than you do. |
| 04:06.51 | Thrae | "Who is General Protection Fault and why is he reading my disks?" |
| 04:08.01 | bleeter | and wtf hasn't he been demoted yet?! |
| 04:08.29 | bleeter | tho the idea of major protection fault being less of an issue than general protection fault would prolly confuse many |
| 04:09.23 | bleeter | and private protection fault sounds like you've picked up a trojan from a pr0n site |
| 04:16.56 | Nom- | NT Chicken: |
| 04:16.57 | Nom- | Will cross the road in June. No, August. September for sure. |
| 04:17.06 | Nom- | OS/2 Chicken: It crossed the road in style years ago, but it was so quiet that nobody noticed. |
| 04:17.15 | Nom- | Microsoft Chicken (TM): It's already on both sides of the road. And it just bought the road. |
| 04:17.32 | Nom- | Delphi Chicken: The chicken is dragged across the road and dropped on the other side. |
| 04:17.45 | Nom- | Java Chicken: If your road needs to be crossed by a chicken, the server will download one to the other side. (Of course, those are chicklets) |
| 04:18.28 | bleeter | slow day @ work, Nom-? |
| 04:18.38 | Nom- | yeah, a little :) |
| 04:18.44 | Nom- | Mac Chicken: No reasonable chicken owner would want a chicken to cross the road, so there's no way to tell it to. |
| 04:19.05 | Aella | *Unless* you fiddle with the Unix Chicken =P |
| 04:19.10 | Thrae | Name The Anime -- A young boy finds out he is the next in line to succeed the biggest Mafia boss in Italy. A tutor, who is also a hitman, comes to train him. The tutor looks like a baby, and wears a mafia-like suit with a pacifier around his neck. The tutor uses a shapeshifting chameleon to shoot special bullets at the young boy. When shot, the young boy is reborn, unleashing all his potentional power, to complete his "Dying Will". |
| 04:19.16 | Thrae | This state usually lasts a few minutes, indicated by his clothes ripping apart (down to his underpants) and a burning flame appearing on his forehead. |
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| 04:19.35 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+o Iriel] by ChanServ |
| 04:19.51 | Aella | Iriel, be thankful that you didn't join one message earlier. |
| 04:20.01 | Iriel | Oh? what did I miss? |
| 04:20.10 | Aella | Thrae: This state usually lasts a few minutes, indicated by his clothes ripping apart (down to his underpants) and a burning flame appearing on his forehead. |
| 04:20.28 | Thrae | That's out of context, it followed: |
| 04:20.30 | Thrae | Name The Anime -- A young boy finds out he is the next in line to succeed the biggest Mafia boss in Italy. A tutor, who is also a hitman, comes to train him. The tutor looks like a baby, and wears a mafia-like suit with a pacifier around his neck. The tutor uses a shapeshifting chameleon to shoot special bullets at the young boy. When shot, the young boy is reborn, unleashing all his potentional power, to complete his "Dying Will". |
| 04:20.34 | Aella | (that's my point) |
| 04:20.48 | Iriel | ouch |
| 04:27.20 | bleeter | what I wanna know... is why, for every quest it seems for the past two weeks, or drop, where wowhead comments have said 'got mine in X drops', my required droprate has been approaching X*10 :/ |
| 04:28.31 | Thrae | bleeter: Because the people with the low drop rates are so frustrated afterwards, they don't have the energy to comment on the quest they now hate. |
| 04:28.51 | Thrae | Hence the comments do not become a good way of measuring the real drop rate. |
| 04:29.01 | bleeter | that's probably the sanest comment I've heard in a while; and more than likely quite accurate. |
| 04:33.52 | ckknight | Thrae: Yu-Gi-Oh! |
| 04:36.19 | Shirik | 172:222:41 12‹8sag_ich_nicht12› Shirik you there? :O |
| 04:36.20 | Shirik | sup? |
| 04:36.31 | Cairenn|afk | oi, colours! |
| 04:36.33 | Shirik | apparently I've been scrolled up for the last 6 hours |
| 04:36.37 | Shirik | sorry :( |
| 04:36.43 | Shirik | they changed somethign now it copy-pastes in color :/ |
| 04:37.04 | Aella | And an (incompatible encoding), too. |
| 04:37.11 | Shirik | heh |
| 04:37.15 | Shirik | it's the little < icon I think |
| 04:37.23 | Aella | Chevron? |
| 04:37.27 | Shirik | whatever ^^ |
| 04:37.34 | Shirik | is it the things surrounding sag_ich_nicht's name? |
| 04:37.46 | Aella | No, it's after the =O |
| 04:37.53 | Shirik | ? |
| 04:37.54 | Shirik | after? |
| 04:38.01 | Shirik | what's after it? :/ |
| 04:38.32 | Aella | Shirik: 1 7:22:41 ‹sag_ich_nicht› Shirik you there? =O (incompatible encoding) |
| 04:38.38 | Shirik | huh |
| 04:38.42 | Shirik | interesting |
| 04:39.03 | bleeter | Shirik: don't fret, worked fine here under irssi. you shouldn't care 'bout other clients |
| 04:39.08 | Aella | Some ISO chars that don't translate to Unicode |
| 04:39.13 | Shirik | 192:472:29 12‹@cladhaire12› Shirik: I'm waiting. |
| 04:39.14 | Shirik | 12[#wowi-lounge12] - 12[14/06/200712] |
| 04:39.19 | Shirik | clad|sleep: for what? :/ |
| 04:39.24 | Shirik | gah I missed so much |
| 04:39.28 | bleeter | particularly given IRC don't do unicode |
| 04:39.28 | Shirik | my pings list is full |
| 04:39.34 | bleeter | technically, or something |
| 04:39.43 | Cairenn|afk | doesn't |
| 04:39.56 | bleeter | sorry ma'am |
| 04:40.00 | Cairenn|afk | ;) |
| 04:40.00 | bleeter | particularly given IRC doesn't do unicode |
| 04:40.26 | Cairenn|afk | lol |
| 04:42.56 | batrick | repost: when I create a tab in lua... it's really small for some reason until I hide then show the parent window... anybody know how to fix this without doing that? (hopes iriel is listening :D ) |
| 04:44.38 | Iriel | Do you have some resizing code built into an OnShow or OnHide handler you need to call explicitly? |
| 04:45.26 | batrick | uh, no |
| 04:45.42 | batrick | just let whatever internals blizzard made do it |
| 04:46.14 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: L2beupwheneveryoneelseis :) |
| 04:46.17 | Shirik | :( |
| 04:46.19 | batrick | one sec getting pastey up |
| 04:47.01 | batrick | http://wowi.pastey.net/56884 |
| 04:47.08 | Cairenn|afk | only in this channel can that not sound incredibly odd |
| 04:47.21 | batrick | I have modules that may add tabs, so I'm using this to add tabs |
| 04:48.16 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn|afk, were you talking to me? |
| 04:48.27 | Cairenn|afk | no |
| 04:48.41 | batrick | I actually want to avoid where I anchoring the tabs; I want to get the size of the tab via GetWidth and then use that to determine where the next tab goes |
| 04:48.52 | batrick | but when I make the tabs they're about 5-10 pixels wide |
| 04:49.03 | batrick | until I do a Show -> Hide on SC_Main |
| 04:49.52 | batrick | brb |
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| 04:56.45 | Iriel | batrick: Your problem is that you set the text after the frame's sized itself |
| 04:57.12 | Iriel | You need to call PanelTemplates_TabResize(0, tab) once you've set the text |
| 04:57.33 | Iriel | I told you you had resize code in an OnShow, and if you look at the template you inherit, there's one there |
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| 05:02.33 | batrick | <3 Iriel |
| 05:02.47 | batrick | sorry I didnt' think I could use OnShow for what I was doing : / |
| 05:11.50 | TheZanke | Q: name of addon that puts all tooltips at your finger? |
| 05:14.16 | Nom- | TinyTip ? |
| 05:15.23 | TheZanke | maybe i use enhtootip though and want THAT to follow my cursor |
| 05:16.17 | MentalPower|Work | Gymnast Tooltips |
| 05:16.21 | MentalPower|Work | works with EnhTT |
| 05:16.58 | TheZanke | updated? |
| 05:17.05 | MentalPower|Work | aye |
| 05:17.13 | MentalPower|Work | use it myself |
| 05:18.49 | TheZanke | where do i get it |
| 05:19.33 | TheZanke | dumb question.. |
| 05:19.37 | TheZanke | nvm |
| 05:19.38 | TheZanke | lol |
| 05:22.51 | bleeter | anyone else think that the 'Evil Twin' debuff (2h inability to summon due to engineerin transporter malfunction) should tick while logged out? |
| 05:23.11 | bleeter | *inability to be summoned |
| 05:23.24 | MentalPower|Work | oh, so it *does* have an effect |
| 05:23.30 | MentalPower|Work | I thought it was just there for kicks |
| 05:23.55 | bleeter | I've been told that it stops one from being summoned, though I've never had anyone try |
| 05:24.54 | bleeter | actually, now I think about it... way back when I got my first everlook trinket a lock friend did try summoning me and I'm pretty sure it failed. This was a lnog time ago tho ;) |
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| 06:04.29 | bleeter | clad|sleep: tomtom bug? looks like I can keep clicking madly in lightheaded on some co-ord and it keeps getting added. that's to say, if I click to add a co-ord six times, I have to remove it six times. to my mind, this is a waste, should only me added once and that's it ;) |
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| 06:14.56 | Valaron | Why do people insist on bumping the "WoW skin changing" thread? |
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| 06:20.44 | |Jelly| | *shrug* |
| 06:21.33 | bleeter | 'coz the skin ain't been ace-ified? /shrug |
| 06:21.42 | |Jelly| | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:21.49 | Valaron | Oh no.. not back to that again. |
| 06:22.56 | bleeter | Nobody expects the ace-ification! Our chief weapon is suprise and fear! |
| 06:23.11 | bleeter | Our two cheif weapons are suprise, fear and an almost fanatical devotion... |
| 06:23.14 | bleeter | our THREE |
| 06:23.29 | bleeter | etc. etc. |
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| 06:28.31 | Valaron | WTH? I have a craving for french fries right now. |
| 06:30.17 | |Jelly| | so get some. 8P |
| 06:32.05 | Valaron | I just spent >$100 on a date with my gf tonight. Not about to snack at 11:30pm :P |
| 06:32.15 | Arrowmaster | what are you still doing in kara jelly? |
| 06:32.24 | Arrowmaster | its 1:30am server time |
| 06:32.31 | |Jelly| | And we start at midnight. |
| 06:32.36 | Arrowmaster | oh |
| 06:32.41 | Arrowmaster | damn thats a late start |
| 06:32.47 | |Jelly| | aussies |
| 06:32.54 | Arrowmaster | ah |
| 06:33.03 | bleeter | oO |Jelly| is an orstrayian? |
| 06:33.08 | Arrowmaster | thought all the aussies left bl |
| 06:34.46 | |Jelly| | guess not |
| 06:37.28 | bleeter | if |Jelly| is an aussie, splain's a lot ;) :P |
| 06:37.38 | |Jelly| | not so much |
| 06:43.08 | Thunder_Child | |Jelly|, dallas? |
| 06:43.24 | Mike-N-Go | I have a question, when you have the Dragonmaw Illusion and you RP, do you RP what your toon looks like, or your real race? |
| 06:44.04 | |Jelly| | Fort Worth |
| 06:44.38 | Thunder_Child | hmm..they really need to get a better tracer...damn...need to stick 'nix on here |
| 06:44.55 | Nom- | bleh |
| 06:44.59 | |Jelly| | lol |
| 06:45.02 | Nom- | just be glad you live in the US |
| 06:45.15 | Nom- | There's nothing worse than having servers go down at 7:00pm |
| 06:45.22 | Nom- | *strangles blizzard* |
| 06:45.42 | Thunder_Child | yes...having the whole net go down at 7:00 pm |
| 06:45.44 | Nom- | I think it's 6:00pm for patch days, 9:00pm for normal downtime |
| 06:45.46 | Nom- | very annoying |
| 06:45.51 | Mike-N-Go | Nom-: Sleep? |
| 06:46.03 | Nom- | Who sleeps at 9:00pm ?? |
| 06:46.06 | Thunder_Child | sleep? wth is that? |
| 06:46.11 | Nom- | I rarely ever go to bed before 1:00am |
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| 07:14.00 | KarlThePagan | oh fuck 1% magtheridon wipe |
| 07:14.58 | |Jelly| | ouch |
| 07:15.22 | |Jelly| | I'm getting shit because the tank died...when I'm the raid healer as opposed to, you know, main tank healer. |
| 07:15.30 | |Jelly| | Sometimes, I hate paladins. |
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| 07:25.46 | batrick | l2p imo |
| 07:25.48 | batrick | mhmmm |
| 07:26.08 | batrick | mt wouldn't have died if you had ACE |
| 07:26.16 | |Jelly| | 10 minutes ago called; they said die in a fire. |
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| 07:26.44 | batrick | clever |
| 07:30.58 | Nom- | lol |Jelly| |
| 07:31.03 | Nom- | I'm a healadin :( |
| 07:31.14 | Nom- | 8.4k crit heal on a warlock ftw :D |
| 07:31.41 | |Jelly| | i fuckin hate warlocks |
| 07:31.45 | |Jelly| | [healing] |
| 07:31.53 | Nom- | why? |
| 07:31.58 | Nom- | They're so easy to heal! |
| 07:32.24 | |Jelly| | They absorb all my crits (and I don't get 60% return) |
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| 07:32.39 | Nom- | absorb your crits? |
| 07:32.53 | |Jelly| | I always crit damned heal on a stupid lock. |
| 07:32.55 | |Jelly| | ALWAYS |
| 07:33.08 | Nom- | yeah, but you get the 60% mana back |
| 07:33.12 | Nom- | I was getting it back last night |
| 07:33.43 | |Jelly| | I don't. |
| 07:33.48 | Nom- | I tend to do nothing but FoL on warlocks now, because they take so much healing |
| 07:34.00 | |Jelly| | <- priest |
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| 07:34.23 | Nom- | ahhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 07:34.32 | Nom- | Yeah, priests ftl when it comes to healing |
| 07:34.47 | Nom- | But then you got shadowfiend |
| 07:34.49 | Nom- | so *shrug* |
| 07:36.43 | Arrowmaster | shadowfiend is so great |
| 07:37.05 | Nom- | I'd much prefer shadowfiend to getting 60% mana back on crits |
| 07:37.19 | |Jelly| | I'd trade you. |
| 07:37.24 | Arrowmaster | i barrowed my friends 70 shadowpriest to run my alt though SM a few times and every 5 minutes its like no many to full mana |
| 07:37.24 | Nom- | But then paladin heals are a bit whacky like that |
| 07:37.46 | Nom- | FoL is soooo efficient |
| 07:38.02 | Nom- | HL is pretty expensive |
| 07:38.21 | Nom- | but i use rank 8 instead of rank 11 |
| 07:38.26 | Nom- | and it's pretty cheap |
| 07:38.39 | Nom- | 550 mana for 3500 heal, 5k crit |
| 07:39.09 | Nom- | still got rank 11 when i need it, but i usually do that with a guaranteed crit...that puppy crits for 7k |
| 07:39.18 | Nom- | 840 mana |
| 07:39.46 | KarlThePagan | <- shadowpriest |
| 07:40.01 | KarlThePagan | #7 dps on magtheridon... behind all the hunters and mages in my group eating mana ;) |
| 07:41.11 | Nom- | heh |
| 07:41.21 | Nom- | shadowpriest + paladin = sex0r |
| 07:41.52 | KarlThePagan | actual progression requires more dps rather than more healing |
| 07:42.01 | Nom- | I don't have to take mana pots in Karazhan except on Netherspite and Shade of Aran |
| 07:42.06 | Nom- | Purely because of Shadow Priest |
| 07:42.20 | KarlThePagan | you have 2 choices when it comes to shadow priests |
| 07:42.36 | KarlThePagan | you come out of a 20 minute fight with 50% mana on your healers |
| 07:43.01 | KarlThePagan | or you come out of a 6 minute fight with 40% mana on your healers |
| 07:43.15 | KarlThePagan | put the shadow priest in the dps group :) |
| 07:43.15 | Nom- | lol dun work quite that well unfortunately |
| 07:43.25 | Nom- | our dps usually has no problems in fights, it's healers that struggle |
| 07:43.43 | KarlThePagan | dps needs to learn to spend mana when they have it |
| 07:43.59 | KarlThePagan | you can't heal harder and beat a boss... only dps harder ;) |
| 07:44.12 | Nom- | the main reason we didn't bother tho |
| 07:44.26 | Nom- | is because we had 2 warlocks and a hunter for most of the last 2 months as our ranged dps |
| 07:44.39 | KarlThePagan | even better |
| 07:44.40 | |Jelly| | Our dps like to dps when *insert random mob here* wipes aggro. |
| 07:44.42 | Nom- | Just not worth wasting a shadow priest on a pair of warlocks :) |
| 07:44.49 | |Jelly| | So I'm usually WTF healing them. |
| 07:45.00 | KarlThePagan | actually a SP on warlocks is the best thing ever |
| 07:45.07 | KarlThePagan | it's like... 30% mana gain instead of 5% |
| 07:45.17 | Nom- | why bother? |
| 07:45.24 | Nom- | warlocks can life tap every 3-4 casts |
| 07:45.44 | KarlThePagan | which is why it's like 30% mana gained |
| 07:45.58 | KarlThePagan | don't waste paladin mana when a SP will do it for free |
| 07:46.07 | KarlThePagan | (or 94 mana if you like) |
| 07:46.23 | Nom- | well our shadow priest group lately has been mage, paladin, shaman, priest, spriest |
| 07:46.41 | Nom- | and the other group warlock, hunter, rogue, feral drood, warrior |
| 07:47.16 | Nom- | hunter can fd+drink, warlock can life tap |
| 07:47.23 | Nom- | And honestly |
| 07:47.42 | Nom- | My mana regen is fast enough that Flash of Light is nothing |
| 07:47.45 | KarlThePagan | imo shaman in the melee group |
| 07:47.57 | Nom- | Flash of Light spam usually results in me gaining mana |
| 07:48.13 | Nom- | (Without shadow priest in group) |
| 07:49.13 | Nom- | I think i have like 100mp5 without buffs |
| 07:49.31 | Nom- | so 150mp5 wit pally blessing, plus mana spring, plus mageblood elixir |
| 07:49.51 | Nom- | So that's like 250-300mp5 |
| 07:50.09 | |Jelly| | 97mp5 without any buffs : / |
| 07:50.25 | KarlThePagan | it is unfortunate to decide between mana spring/tide and windfury |
| 07:50.29 | Nom- | FoL = 180 mana, 1.5 second cast, best case is 2.5 casts per 5 seconds |
| 07:51.25 | Nom- | so that's like 410 mana per 5 i can spend at max cast speed |
| 07:51.52 | Nom- | all i gotta do is stop casting for 3 seconds after 3 casts and i've got my mana back |
| 07:51.56 | Nom- | *shrug* |
| 07:53.01 | Nom- | mana spring without talents is 30mp5 there we go |
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| 07:55.11 | KarlThePagan | still most of the roadblocks are pure control (netherspite) or control and dps |
| 07:55.41 | Nom- | netherspite is easy as long as your tank gets into place properly |
| 07:55.56 | Nom- | The only time we've wiped on Netherspite is when the tank dies before getting into the beam :./ |
| 07:55.59 | Nom- | :/ |
| 07:56.25 | Nom- | Well, post 2.1 we've wiped coz you can't reset any moer |
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| 07:56.29 | Nom- | But that's beside the point :P |
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| 08:09.52 | Nom- | yay dev boxen going down for reboot |
| 08:10.00 | Nom- | hope it doesn't come up so we get a new one sooner |
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| 09:35.46 | Mike-N-Go | seebs: Line 173 of Simple Mail, sting expected, got nil, just doing '/sm get -f name' after doing a few of those, it was fine, and now it is with a UI rleoad. |
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| 10:46.33 | clad|sleep | does anyone have skype? i need to test something rather quickly |
| 10:47.32 | foxlit | Question: worldofwar.net moved to wow.incgamers.com? |
| 10:47.39 | foxlit | clad: no, sorry :( |
| 10:49.04 | foxlit | And that website wants a silly activex control by "Microsoft Corporation" bah! |
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| 11:58.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | hahaha |
| 11:59.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | the guy that wrote glider is going to blizzcon, and is organizing a meet of sorts with those who use it |
| 11:59.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | blahaha |
| 12:01.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | imagine if a bunch of peons4hire guys showed up at blizzcon |
| 12:02.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | HALLO U BUY GOLD JEFF KAPLAN |
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| 13:40.11 | clad|work | http://www.raisingkids.co.uk/todaysnews07/news_140607_02.asp |
| 13:40.15 | clad|work | weird. |
| 13:40.33 | Shirik | eew |
| 13:40.34 | Shirik | asp |
| 13:40.37 | Shirik | I refuse to go to it |
| 13:40.57 | clad|work | h8 |
| 13:41.21 | Shirik | wow |
| 13:41.22 | Shirik | that is wierd |
| 13:41.22 | Lopeppeppy | That's just.... I thought that I was stubborn. |
| 13:42.07 | Shirik | gah |
| 13:42.10 | Shirik | 10 years without saying a word |
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| 13:42.17 | Shirik | well I guess I could do that if they hadn't invented vent lol |
| 13:42.30 | clad|work | heh |
| 13:42.33 | Lopeppeppy | Seriously... Vent is the gift of the gods for long-distance communication. |
| 13:43.53 | KaoS` | if only vent was updated. |
| 13:44.36 | Lopeppeppy | Meh. "Out of date" /= "does not work". :P |
| 13:44.49 | Lopeppeppy | What needs updating for it? |
| 13:44.55 | clad|work | I won't need vent soon |
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| 13:45.00 | clad|work | i only use it in raids and parties |
| 13:45.08 | clad|work | i prefer typing otherwise, so i'll just use the blizzard voip |
| 13:45.35 | KaoS` | the mac version :) |
| 13:45.35 | Lopeppeppy | I'm still.... .circling that concept warily, clad|work.... The PTR is out now, correct? |
| 13:45.55 | clad|work | not the 2.2 |
| 13:45.57 | clad|work | just the 2.1.2 |
| 13:46.05 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, KaoS, the mac version leaves somethings to be desired, but I know people who use it just fine. |
| 13:46.14 | Lopeppeppy | Ah, so not able to test their VOIP additions yet? |
| 13:46.15 | clad|work | the vop isn't in the ptr afaik |
| 13:46.17 | clad|work | they wouldn't do that in a minor release |
| 13:46.22 | clad|work | they don't have them in the game yet imo |
| 13:46.41 | Lopeppeppy | I'll keep my "wait and see" handy then, about their VOIP. |
| 13:47.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | they just added voip to second life |
| 13:47.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | /cry |
| 13:47.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | depending on which sim i'm in i may hear a bunch of nerds breathing loudly and talking about linux, or fly over and hear people moaning and bleating like sheep |
| 13:47.44 | Lopeppeppy | Yummy. |
| 13:48.00 | Lopeppeppy | I wonder what WoW would be like without sound at all..... |
| 13:48.06 | Shirik | nick Shirik|AFK |
| 13:48.10 | Shirik | nick Shirik|AFK |
| 13:48.12 | Shirik | damn it |
| 13:48.49 | Shirik|AFK | thank you |
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| 13:50.55 | Shirik|AFK | ~salut cogwheel |
| 13:51.44 | Shirik|AFK | french ;) |
| 13:51.49 | Shirik|AFK | ~factinfo salut |
| 13:51.49 | purl | salut -- created by malte <xray@oh.my.god.he.killed.kenny.eu.org> at Tue Jan 30 05:20:09 2001 (2327 days); it has been requested 14 times, last by _ignacio at Mon Jun 13 14:05:35 2005. |
| 13:51.56 | Shirik|AFK | gr |
| 13:51.59 | Shirik|AFK | w/e purl |
| 13:52.01 | Shirik|AFK | you hate me, I know |
| 13:52.26 | clad|work | ~literal salut |
| 13:52.26 | purl | "salut" is "<reply> (hello|howdy|salut|hola|g'day|moin|salve) $who" |
| 13:53.19 | cogwheel | ~factinfo emulate cogwheel |
| 13:53.19 | purl | emulate cogwheel -- last modified at Tue Mar 6 18:46:46 2007 by cogwheel|work!n=chatzill@intra.kistlerwine.com; it has been requested 13 times, last by TC-Working, 1d 15h 54m 5s ago. |
| 13:53.48 | clad|work | ~emulate cladhaire |
| 13:53.49 | purl | Good code is something to appreciate like a work of art. |
| 13:53.58 | clad|work | ~literal emulate cladhaire |
| 13:53.59 | purl | "emulate cladhaire" is "<reply>Good code is something to appreciate like a work of art. || <action> shakes, berries fall to the ground.||<reply>I'm taking down the server again" |
| 13:57.53 | clad|afk | http://i17.tinypic.com/4tknxqr.jpg |
| 13:59.05 | clad|afk | http://gigglesugar.com/315001 |
| 14:00.09 | Lopeppeppy | Ah, to be one of the ones slinging the water... much more my style than cute work skirts and sitting peacefully. |
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| 14:05.58 | Shirik|Ecole | hey they finally fixed the network in the cafeteria! |
| 14:06.01 | Shirik|Ecole | only took them a week |
| 14:07.09 | Lopeppeppy | Only a week? Not bad. Not good, but not bad for what I assume they label "non essential" network outage? |
| 14:08.00 | Shirik|Ecole | ummm |
| 14:08.05 | Shirik|Ecole | what about the registers in the cafeteria? |
| 14:08.15 | Shirik|Ecole | which couldn't charge my student account ^^ |
| 14:08.46 | Shirik|Ecole | unfortunately I'm sure they had an offline proceedure that just completely annihilated my account |
| 14:08.48 | Shirik|Ecole | when it resynced |
| 14:10.44 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, the offline register functions are... less than desirable. |
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| 14:11.02 | TS|Skrom | morning |
| 14:11.12 | Lopeppeppy | I was thinking it was the internet cafe thing, not their whole register system. I wouldn't have let that go for a day, much less a week... *comforts* |
| 14:11.22 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, TS|Skrom |
| 14:11.51 | Shirik|Ecole | well yeah what I was referring to was the internet cafe stuffs |
| 14:12.13 | Shirik|Ecole | but at the same time, the entire student accounts system was down too |
| 14:12.22 | Shirik|Ecole | though I could still use it in vending machines, but it wouldn't tell me my balance, etc. |
| 14:12.43 | Shirik|Ecole | the resnet still isn't up :( |
| 14:12.58 | Lopeppeppy | Yowch. End of year blues... |
| 14:13.23 | Shirik|Ecole | I find the most amusing part is how it happened |
| 14:13.25 | Lopeppeppy | My school has been doing network maintenance, it's wicked fun to find the printers don't work today, or the phones yesterday, or whichever part they take down without notice. |
| 14:13.45 | Shirik|Ecole | construction workers were working on the building which contains the server apparently during this major storm. When the storm came in, they didn't have time to cover the roof |
| 14:13.51 | Shirik|Ecole | and the server got soaked |
| 14:13.56 | Shirik|Ecole | along with everything else in there |
| 14:14.00 | Lopeppeppy | Nice! |
| 14:14.50 | Lopeppeppy | Skidmore got some flooding a few weeks ago in a downpour, came down the library elevator shaft and made a huge mess. I was wading through puddles halfway to my knees. |
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| 14:16.15 | Shirik|Ecole | ok |
| 14:16.17 | Shirik|Ecole | maybe it's not fixed |
| 14:16.52 | Lopeppeppy | Maybe they installed new Yo Yo Networking Software 2.0. |
| 14:18.22 | TS|Skrom | Lopeppeppy that's not really a puddle XD |
| 14:19.50 | Lopeppeppy | It was hilarious fun though, TS|Skrom. Swimmin' home from the gym is good exercise. |
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| 14:22.24 | TS|Skrom | lol |
| 14:22.51 | Shirik|Ecole | puddle? |
| 14:22.52 | TS|Skrom | I love people who don't know your class trying to tell you how to play |
| 14:23.08 | Shirik|Ecole | 14(1011:2311:0114) 11-› Nickname 11'Shirik|Ghost11' is already in use |
| 14:23.08 | Shirik|Ecole | =( |
| 14:23.14 | Lopeppeppy | Mmm.... those people fill my Ignore list to overflowing. |
| 14:23.20 | Shirik|Ecole | I can't ghost it because it's not registered |
| 14:23.26 | TS|Skrom | To the level 54 healing paladin: You don't want those leather legs with 15 int/sta, 5 mana/5 and 16 +healing |
| 14:23.28 | Shirik|Ecole | and I can't register it because the ghost is still there |
| 14:23.43 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, today is not your nick-day. |
| 14:23.44 | TS|Skrom | here take these plate legs of the eagle with less int/sta no healing and no mana/5 because they are plate! |
| 14:24.37 | Lopeppeppy | TS|Skrom... I have a healadin, I would take the leathers if there wasn't a healing droood after them. Upgrade is an upgrade, a healadin takes what they can get their hands on. |
| 14:24.48 | TS|Skrom | damn skippy we do |
| 14:25.04 | TS|Skrom | just so no one thinks I was a ninja, it was me, warlock, two warriors and a hunter |
| 14:25.15 | TS|Skrom | so yeah I took the leather and proud of it lol |
| 14:25.21 | Lopeppeppy | I'm much happier now that I have some good healing plate, mind you, but I don't look down my nose at leather and lace when it suits. |
| 14:27.53 | TS|Skrom | anyone know what triggers an update on the armory? |
| 14:28.42 | Lopeppeppy | Logging out, AFIK... but I don't know how often the armory polls the database. |
| 14:31.15 | TS|Skrom | logging out did an immediate update ^^ |
| 14:31.16 | TS|Skrom | sweet |
| 14:31.25 | TS|Skrom | Healadin pride: http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/#character-sheet.xml?r=Uldum&n=Treston |
| 14:31.29 | Lopeppeppy | Sexah. |
| 14:33.04 | Shirik|Ecole | Die Shirik|Ghost!! |
| 14:33.09 | Shirik|Ecole | T_T |
| 14:33.41 | Lopeppeppy | *comforts Shirik in all IRC login forms* |
| 14:33.57 | Lopeppeppy | Nice shoulders, TS|Skrom. Loved those at your level. |
| 14:35.13 | Lopeppeppy | Have to get you into Scholo soon for a nice libram for that ranged slot, and you'll be on your way to the levels where you can find good healing plate. |
| 14:35.28 | TS|Skrom | yep yep |
| 14:36.02 | TS|Skrom | I had an offer for someone to make me a whitesoul helm.. but he's the guy that was later giving me crap about wearing leather |
| 14:36.07 | TS|Skrom | then he drama logged out of the group |
| 14:36.16 | TS|Skrom | so I think I can say bye to that helm for now .< |
| 14:36.23 | Lopeppeppy | Whitesoul is not a bad helm to get crafted... just not from a drama queen. |
| 14:36.27 | Josh_Borke | zomg |
| 14:36.31 | Josh_Borke | that damn libram is the devil |
| 14:36.39 | Josh_Borke | i ran scholo like 10 times on my paladin, never saw it drop |
| 14:36.47 | Josh_Borke | i ran it 2 times on my priest, saw 3 of them |
| 14:36.54 | nevcairiel | haha |
| 14:36.57 | nevcairiel | ive seen it soooo often |
| 14:37.02 | Josh_Borke | i was sooo pissed |
| 14:37.05 | Shirik|Ecole | wtf |
| 14:37.06 | Lopeppeppy | Usually how it goes, Josh_Borke. If you don't need it, there it is. |
| 14:37.08 | Shirik|Ecole | that's not even the right one!! |
| 14:37.15 | Shirik|Ecole | That's the one at my home computer |
| 14:37.16 | Shirik|Ecole | omg |
| 14:37.19 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 14:37.57 | Lopeppeppy | Not your day, Shirik|something. |
| 14:38.02 | Shirik|Ecole | no it really isn't |
| 14:38.09 | Shirik|Ecole | luckily as soon as I get back from class I'm going to sleep |
| 14:38.11 | Shirik|Ecole | end the day early |
| 14:38.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | man, it's so weird to use flight paths on azeroth now |
| 14:38.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've grown so used to just popping swift flight form and going wherever |
| 14:39.46 | Josh_Borke | nerf druids |
| 14:39.52 | TS|Skrom | Lopeppeppy your advice for the paladin tanking ui... what's a mouseover macro? |
| 14:40.04 | ravagernl | Hunters should have ridable pets! |
| 14:40.06 | Shirik|Ecole | a macro that does something like [target=mouseover] |
| 14:40.15 | Lopeppeppy | Yup. |
| 14:40.19 | TS|Skrom | why as a tanking pally would that be helpful? |
| 14:40.32 | wobin_ | do that for the taunt? |
| 14:40.35 | Lopeppeppy | Righteous Defense for aggro-yanking. |
| 14:40.50 | wobin_ | easier than clicking on the partymember |
| 14:41.11 | Shirik|Ecole | how about /cast [target=mouseover,help] Righteous Defense; [target=mouseovertarget] Righteous Defense |
| 14:41.12 | ravagernl | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:41.20 | Shirik|Ecole | er |
| 14:41.26 | Shirik|Ecole | how about /cast [target=mouseover,help] [target=mouseovertarget] Righteous Defense |
| 14:41.29 | Shirik|Ecole | forgot that new syntax |
| 14:41.29 | Shirik|Ecole | bleh |
| 14:41.38 | Lopeppeppy | I lost the macro when I got peeved and destroyed my WTF... but it was something like that , Shirik|Ecole. |
| 14:41.38 | TS|Skrom | huh |
| 14:42.02 | Lopeppeppy | Cast RD if the mouseover target was player, cast RD on ToT is the target is a mob. |
| 14:42.08 | Shirik|Ecole | ohhh I bet the finally got the DHCP up |
| 14:42.12 | Shirik|Ecole | that's why I got dced at home |
| 14:42.15 | TS|Skrom | granted I only use RD to save the mage that overaggros |
| 14:42.23 | Shirik|Ecole | I did some manual configuring the DHCP probably doesn't like ^^ |
| 14:42.34 | TS|Skrom | but I don't have a problem hitting 1 (my hotkey for RD) then clicking that toons unit frame from the group menu |
| 14:42.43 | TS|Skrom | oh but I guess raid tanking would be harder |
| 14:42.46 | TS|Skrom | so many more unit frames |
| 14:42.50 | Lopeppeppy | I find I use it most on mages as well, TS|Skrom. Even when being the main healer.... |
| 14:42.56 | Josh_Borke | meh, no one uses paladins to MT in raids ;-P |
| 14:43.02 | Josh_Borke | pally's suck at tanking ;-P |
| 14:43.03 | TS|Skrom | hrm.. good point |
| 14:43.05 | Shirik|Ecole | actually |
| 14:43.08 | Lopeppeppy | For larger parties in faster moving fights, mouseover is a good thing. |
| 14:43.08 | Shirik|Ecole | I do :) |
| 14:43.17 | TS|Skrom | I'll have to play around with that one |
| 14:43.19 | Josh_Borke | Shirik|Ecole: i know, i'm being sarcastic |
| 14:43.20 | Shirik|Ecole | he's by far the best tank I have at my disposal |
| 14:43.23 | Shirik|Ecole | ah |
| 14:43.24 | Shirik|Ecole | :) |
| 14:43.26 | ravagernl | :P /cast [target=mouseover,help][target=targettarget,help] Rigteous Defense there you go |
| 14:43.28 | TS|Skrom | that's a new type of macro component then when I last played heh |
| 14:43.32 | Shirik|Ecole | only thing I don't let him tank is maiden :P |
| 14:43.35 | Josh_Borke | paladin tanks don't scale though |
| 14:43.55 | Shirik|Ecole | though he's asked me several times now hah |
| 14:43.57 | Shirik|Ecole | he thinks he can do it |
| 14:44.04 | TS|Skrom | I know I can't tank... |
| 14:44.10 | Legorol | i would love to try out a paladin tank... |
| 14:44.11 | Josh_Borke | cooldown on RD is too long |
| 14:44.14 | TS|Skrom | 6k armor in tank gear and I can barely solo quests >< |
| 14:44.18 | Legorol | ... if it wasn't for the fact that the one thing we are not short on is tanks |
| 14:44.23 | Shirik|Ecole | anyway I'll be back |
| 14:44.28 | Josh_Borke | Legorol: heh, my guild is way short on tanks |
| 14:44.47 | Legorol | we have 5 warriors that meet our entry-level Kara tanking gear requirements, and a bear druid |
| 14:45.12 | Lopeppeppy | We use paladins and druids and prot warriors interchangably, adapting strategy for strengths and weaknesses. *shrug* I've found it's more group attitude once basic stats are in place. |
| 14:45.24 | Josh_Borke | yep |
| 14:45.36 | Legorol | and thus it's ironic that today, when for the first time in our guild's history we are trying to run a second Kara group, we don't have enough tanks :( |
| 14:45.37 | ravagernl | bear druid tanking ftw, i've seen one tank with blessing of salvation on XD |
| 14:45.56 | Legorol | admittedly that's because one of the tank's HD crashed, who was signed up |
| 14:46.00 | Lopeppeppy | Me too, ravagernl. |
| 14:46.15 | ravagernl | that's just - wow :P |
| 14:46.21 | Legorol | my guild is very ... conservative :( |
| 14:46.28 | Legorol | warriors tank, druids and paladins heal |
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| 14:46.37 | Legorol | priests heal too |
| 14:46.43 | Josh_Borke | priest pew pew! |
| 14:46.50 | Lopeppeppy | A lot of mid-size groups are having problems with their second Kara, Legorol. Conservatism isn't favorable in TBC, we've been finding that we adapt or we don't raid. |
| 14:46.53 | Legorol | i am just about getting to the point of being able to convince the guild to have a spriest |
| 14:46.56 | TS|Skrom | I don't know why my guild does, I'm not high enough level to play with them X |
| 14:47.02 | Lopeppeppy | "Don't raid" = suxxors, so we adapt. |
| 14:47.18 | Legorol | Lopeppeppy: in our case the biggest holdback is that we are very casual and liberal |
| 14:47.29 | Legorol | essentially, our raiding policy is: you sign up on the day you fancy a bit of raiding |
| 14:47.33 | Josh_Borke | my guild's problem is they are too lax on lack of skill. we have some AWFUL players in the guild, but they eat up raid spots dragging the entire raid down |
| 14:47.37 | Legorol | this makes raid signups way too random and unpredictable |
| 14:48.05 | Lopeppeppy | Same here. We're not even a guild, but an alliance of players... but we do require signups a bit more in advance than that. 48 hours cutoff, so we can make a roster and invite guests if our members aren't feelin' the signup-love. |
| 14:48.26 | Legorol | heh, we run Kara 5-6 times a week, until now it was a single instance, every day with a random selectin of 10 people who happen to make that day |
| 14:48.35 | Legorol | so we have a large pool of irregular raiders |
| 14:48.55 | Legorol | despite that i'm extremely happy with how far we got, only NB and NS left |
| 14:49.01 | Josh_Borke | nice |
| 14:49.15 | Lopeppeppy | Good for making a wide knowledge, bad for spearheading progression. We have good progression, but too many of us who haven't even set foot inside yet due to lack of a full second-team. |
| 14:49.16 | Legorol | we overtook several guilds on our realm that are supposedly raiding guilds |
| 14:49.39 | Legorol | Lopeppeppy: you can help that by rotating people in-out of your first group maybe? |
| 14:49.58 | Legorol | How it looks like for us: we typically lock 25-30 Kara attuned characters to a single instance over the course of a week |
| 14:50.16 | Legorol | we also swap people around during a single evening too, to get people to come in and have a look |
| 14:50.20 | Legorol | this works very well with one raid group |
| 14:50.25 | Lopeppeppy | If I had any hand in scheduling, I would.... I'd be more liberal in rotation, just to get more broad experience. |
| 14:50.27 | Legorol | it's horrible with a second raid group where you have to be careful about lock |
| 14:50.46 | Legorol | but we are just about trying to venture there |
| 14:50.58 | Lopeppeppy | But... no hand in scheduling, so I sits home and send my paladins out to play (paladin officer, I feel beholden to get my class members inside). |
| 14:51.28 | Legorol | funnily it was better when we haven't progressed much yet, |
| 14:51.34 | Legorol | spending say an entire evening on one boss |
| 14:51.39 | Legorol | you could get more people to see more bosses |
| 14:51.54 | Legorol | now that we can clear the ones we can do in 2-3 days, more people miss out |
| 14:52.26 | Lopeppeppy | Kara's limits are.... tough, both in terms of the content and in terms of the social challenges for raiding groups in terms of attendance. |
| 14:52.35 | Legorol | yeah |
| 14:52.56 | Legorol | the biggest flaw (in terms of the social aspects) I found with Kara is that it's not a "one night stand" |
| 14:53.09 | nevcairiel | its not? |
| 14:53.11 | Legorol | it strongly favours a steady, regular raid group |
| 14:53.19 | Josh_Borke | Legorol: it is once you get good at it |
| 14:53.25 | nevcairiel | have you seen that place since 2.1? |
| 14:53.28 | Legorol | Josh_Borke: we are way far from it |
| 14:53.32 | nevcairiel | its way too easy :( |
| 14:53.36 | Legorol | nevcairiel: i wish |
| 14:53.59 | nevcairiel | i started going to karazhan in february |
| 14:54.06 | Legorol | at our current pace, it will take us 3 months to get to the point of clearing Kara in one night |
| 14:54.10 | nevcairiel | and now its just silly how they nerfed it :D |
| 14:54.13 | Legorol | (excluding NB/NS) |
| 14:54.29 | Legorol | nevcairiel: well some people of us are not in raid guilds ;-) |
| 14:54.40 | Legorol | we started Kara late march/early april i think |
| 14:54.59 | Legorol | i'm in a social guild that wants to try raids |
| 14:55.12 | nevcairiel | thats the first thing we did .. "hey we are 70 .. where is that stupid kara quest? i want to try the new content" :) |
| 14:55.12 | Legorol | oh, that's another gripe i have about Kara, i mean it's both good and bad: |
| 14:55.17 | Legorol | Kara is much more skill dependent |
| 14:55.22 | Legorol | which I love, because i'm a gamer at heart |
| 14:55.25 | Gnancy | they nerfed high king as well you might want to check that out as well |
| 14:55.35 | Gnancy | just a coordination fight now |
| 14:55.37 | Legorol | but it's punishing for the social players who just want to relax in front of WoW like a TV, and maybe peek inside a raid |
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| 14:55.52 | Legorol | Gnancy: my guild sucks at coordination tactics |
| 14:56.00 | Legorol | in Kara as well we turn almost everything into tank and spank, as much as we can |
| 14:56.04 | Legorol | much to my cries |
| 14:56.29 | Legorol | e.g. take Moroes: it's not uncommon we kill 3 adds just because we suck at doing anything else |
| 14:56.35 | Gnancy | hmm well that stinks. i just mensioned it as its not so much of a gear check and can be fun |
| 14:56.36 | Legorol | brute force approach ftl, but hey what can i do |
| 14:56.52 | Legorol | Gnancy: and i strongly wish it was a gear check |
| 14:56.53 | Gnancy | hehe |
| 14:56.58 | Legorol | because that, we have a chance of passing |
| 14:56.58 | krka | Legorol: You can't spell passing without ass! |
| 14:57.04 | Legorol | skill-check: we suck |
| 14:57.09 | Legorol | lol KriLL3 |
| 14:57.14 | Legorol | s/krill3/krka |
| 14:57.26 | Legorol | but i'm proud of my guild :o) |
| 14:57.31 | TS|Skrom | your tab complete betrays you Legorol |
| 14:57.36 | Gnancy | thats whats important |
| 14:57.39 | Legorol | given that officially we are not a raid guild, we have done well |
| 14:57.40 | Gnancy | for serious |
| 14:57.44 | Lopeppeppy | I don't mind dying sometimes. *shrug* It's good to explore. |
| 14:57.53 | Legorol | and given many of our members a chance to peek inside Kara and be able to go "oh so this is how it looks like" |
| 14:58.21 | Legorol | it was easier back in MC where you could get a few "spectators" in |
| 14:58.25 | Legorol | you can't really do that in Kara |
| 14:58.39 | Gnancy | feh there is no big deal over being a "raiding guild" our guild used to be poke fun at all the time really |
| 14:58.42 | Lopeppeppy | No... must carry your own weight, and part of someone else's, in the TBC. |
| 14:58.44 | Gnancy | its about the people it in |
| 14:59.02 | Legorol | Gnancy: no, nothing wrong with being a raiding guild, at all |
| 14:59.11 | Gnancy | or not |
| 14:59.22 | Legorol | it's just that a raiding guild typically has certain factors associated with it that we felt we didn't want |
| 14:59.27 | Legorol | of course there are many shades of grey |
| 14:59.39 | Gnancy | yeah i do understand that |
| 14:59.39 | Legorol | i'd say we are a semi-raiding guild in that a large portion of our 70s do want to raid |
| 14:59.48 | Legorol | but only casually ;-) |
| 14:59.53 | Gnancy | well thats how it starts |
| 14:59.56 | wobin_ | =( |
| 15:00.01 | wobin_ | I got my priest up to 70 |
| 15:00.09 | Legorol | and that's how it stays, Gnancy, for us |
| 15:00.11 | wobin_ | but I don't feel like doing anything with her =( |
| 15:00.13 | Legorol | it's been like that from day 1 |
| 15:00.24 | Legorol | yes we had people move on to more dedicated raid guilds, and it hurts every time |
| 15:00.31 | Lopeppeppy | Always how it starts. Up to members how into raiding they get, how they handle it. We keep ours light, it's more fun for us that way. Others enjoy the heavy focus, all good. |
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| 15:00.46 | Lopeppeppy | Makes me sad every time I lose a friend to the more focused groups, but I still have lots of friends left. |
| 15:00.49 | Legorol | we have ex-members in almost all the known, hardcore raid guilds on our realm, who we nurtured and raised |
| 15:00.54 | Legorol | oth this gives us contacts ;-) |
| 15:00.54 | Shirik|Ecole | sorry, had to quickly connect to say rofl: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10488&page=1&pp=10 |
| 15:00.57 | Shirik|Ecole | now class is starting cya |
| 15:01.15 | Legorol | i don't mind us not being very hardcore |
| 15:01.24 | Legorol | i mind that it sets us back when someone leaves for a hardcore guild :( |
| 15:01.25 | Gnancy | Legorol we have had the exodus to other guilds as well, but I have fun even running 5 mans with a core group |
| 15:02.18 | Gnancy | the perception of better progress is the main reason we loose guildies when we do |
| 15:03.11 | Legorol | yup, same here |
| 15:03.20 | Lopeppeppy | Yup. |
| 15:03.21 | Legorol | that's why it gives me a kinda evil satisfaction when we progress as well |
| 15:03.30 | Legorol | and overtake some other guilds who are supposedly better ;-) |
| 15:03.33 | Gnancy | I KNOW! |
| 15:03.41 | Gnancy | haha |
| 15:03.44 | Legorol | sure we progress slow |
| 15:03.48 | Legorol | like a snail |
| 15:03.52 | Legorol | but we do progress, that's what matters |
| 15:03.53 | Lopeppeppy | Love to see my Hotties up on the boards for accomplishment, makes me happy inside. |
| 15:04.47 | Gnancy | err not to change the subject but do either of you two have exp with macros at all. I have a strange question |
| 15:05.04 | Lopeppeppy | Er.... not a lot, but I can always try, or try to look things up. |
| 15:05.17 | Legorol | Gnancy: a little |
| 15:05.20 | Legorol | but ask away, we will see |
| 15:05.29 | Legorol | best to ask, then someone else might chime in |
| 15:05.36 | Legorol | and macros are more on topic here then raiding :o) |
| 15:05.39 | Josh_Borke | Legorol: that's ok. my guild progresses slowly too. we've been in kara since beginning of march. NS went down last week for the first time |
| 15:05.44 | Josh_Borke | Legorol: and we've got 3 kara groups going |
| 15:05.51 | Legorol | woot |
| 15:05.51 | Gnancy | nice Josh_Borke |
| 15:06.03 | Legorol | we have 1 group, we are trying the 2nd for the first time this week |
| 15:06.13 | Gnancy | i think if you can do moroes/aran then you can do high king /gruul |
| 15:06.14 | Legorol | we tried NB couple of times, got really close |
| 15:06.15 | Josh_Borke | no, no. group2 and group3 haven't cleared oera :-D |
| 15:06.28 | Legorol | we reckon we can take NB with a little luck and a bit more trying |
| 15:06.30 | Josh_Borke | Gnancy: you'd think, but maulgar went down the first time earlier this week |
| 15:06.42 | Legorol | we have been to Gruul's Lair... once |
| 15:06.53 | Legorol | our accomplishment: the priesty ogre down to 80% |
| 15:06.59 | Legorol | never made it back since :D |
| 15:07.00 | Josh_Borke | it's all about the pull |
| 15:07.06 | Legorol | indeed |
| 15:07.07 | Gnancy | if you have the DPS then go to mag as well |
| 15:07.12 | Legorol | and about having 25 people able to raid on the same day ;-) |
| 15:07.16 | Josh_Borke | yep |
| 15:07.18 | Josh_Borke | we can do that |
| 15:07.25 | Josh_Borke | friggin 150 person guild |
| 15:07.36 | Legorol | we have 418 characters spread over 136 accounts |
| 15:07.41 | foxlit | Raiding should be fun! |
| 15:07.42 | Gnancy | nice Josh_Borke |
| 15:07.46 | Legorol | we can't get 25 for gruul :D |
| 15:07.50 | Gnancy | now if mag would give me his eye,,, |
| 15:07.52 | foxlit | 146 over 82 |
| 15:08.02 | foxlit | And we regulary have 5-10 people more than needed |
| 15:08.06 | Gnancy | either way here is the macro post i made http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=110532769&sid=1 |
| 15:08.14 | Legorol | btw, the way we are trying group 2 is different from most guilds |
| 15:08.24 | Legorol | we aren't splitting our raiders into group 1 and group 2, instead everyone belongs to both |
| 15:08.27 | Josh_Borke | http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/#guild-info.xml?r=Stormreaver&n=Forgotten+Souls&p=1 <-- is my guild |
| 15:08.28 | Gnancy | sitting DKP seemed to help us alot with attendance alot |
| 15:08.36 | Legorol | group 1 is a "weekday" instance, group 2 is a "weekend" |
| 15:08.39 | Legorol | they don't run in parallel |
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| 15:08.44 | Legorol | this has two advantages: |
| 15:08.50 | Josh_Borke | wow, we're down to 391 toons in guild |
| 15:09.00 | Legorol | we can mix experienced raiders into both groups so they should be roughly at same point |
| 15:09.13 | Gnancy | how are you Josh_Borke? |
| 15:09.18 | Legorol | the other advantage is that those people who want to raid 6 days a week can bring alts to different groups |
| 15:09.22 | Legorol | (which helps fill them up) |
| 15:09.26 | Josh_Borke | Gnancy: my toon is Dagh |
| 15:09.29 | foxlit | I have a sneaky feelings casters would've lynched me if I took the eye |
| 15:09.35 | foxlit | Perfect DKP position to snipe it, though |
| 15:09.50 | Gnancy | hehe a blasted spriest got our first eye |
| 15:09.52 | Gnancy | grrrr |
| 15:10.22 | foxlit | Gnancy: Nothing much wrong with that. |
| 15:10.43 | Gnancy | nooooo except for i wanted it |
| 15:10.55 | Gnancy | ima lock i have to love spriests by law |
| 15:10.59 | Legorol | Josh_Borke: are your raid groups set up such that you have a static allocation of people to groups? |
| 15:11.22 | Lopeppeppy | No input for your macro here, Gnancy, sorry... I'm just not that good with them. |
| 15:11.28 | Josh_Borke | Legorol: mixture. each group has a static set of 10 that get priority invites. everyone else is in a pool that can be pulled from by any group |
| 15:11.33 | Gnancy | oh well thanks anyways |
| 15:11.33 | Legorol | oh did i miss the macro question? |
| 15:11.38 | Gnancy | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=110532769&sid=1 |
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| 15:11.49 | Wraanger | heyaz |
| 15:12.05 | Gnancy | Josh_Borke thats pretty much us as well |
| 15:12.11 | Gnancy | cept for a bit of a smaller guild |
| 15:16.12 | KriLL3 | why does half of my minimap buttons snap back to their original positions after a reloadui/login? moved them with move anything. |
| 15:17.43 | Lopeppeppy | Is moveanything working properly this patch? I heard it wasn't, which may be your issue. |
| 15:18.14 | KriLL3 | always worked fine for me in the past, and it's only those 4 minimap buttons, everything else works |
| 15:18.22 | KriLL3 | half the minimap buttons and all other elements I've moved with it work |
| 15:19.18 | Lopeppeppy | *meep of confusion* Dunno, KriLL3. |
| 15:19.52 | Gnancy | mabye its the addons creating those buttons |
| 15:20.01 | Gnancy | what buttons are giving you the fits |
| 15:20.03 | cog|work | KriLL3: the addons that created those buttons might be repositioning them |
| 15:20.16 | KriLL3 | all of them are FuBar plugins.... damnit why didn't I think of that |
| 15:20.17 | Gnancy | hehe |
| 15:20.24 | Gnancy | if they are fubar |
| 15:20.29 | Gnancy | just drag them |
| 15:20.38 | Gnancy | or alt drag them offa the map |
| 15:20.45 | Gnancy | at least i think its alt |
| 15:20.57 | KriLL3 | yeah, works thx :) |
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| 15:32.36 | foxlit | Bah, idiocy |
| 15:32.51 | foxlit | Mobhealth whines about dewdrop dependancy because of a fubar plugin |
| 15:32.52 | TS|Skrom | but but... I didn't say anything |
| 15:33.38 | Lopeppeppy | Is the error being blamed on Mobhealth, or the plugin? *confused* |
| 15:34.25 | foxlit | I'm blaming ace |
| 15:34.36 | KriLL3 | I'm blaming canada |
| 15:34.40 | foxlit | Since they've managed to make a dll hell of their own |
| 15:34.53 | foxlit | Suppose you have two moderately not-up-to-date addons, and you update one |
| 15:35.08 | foxlit | Ace libraries bundled with both addons are sufficient to keep either working |
| 15:35.31 | foxlit | Updated ace libraries require updated ace libraries that may not be bundled (in this case, Dewdrop); crashing a mod you didn't update |
| 15:36.31 | Lopeppeppy | Hmm.... I have on occasion had a conflicting library version, but never as annoying as you describe. |
| 15:36.43 | KriLL3 | What do you guys think of my progress in making a new UI? http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/3329/wowscrnshot061507173306cs8.jpg |
| 15:36.54 | Lopeppeppy | I'd rather have that, which I can update, versus a mod randomly spreading taint, which is harder to nail down. |
| 15:37.23 | foxlit | taint is hard to nail down? |
| 15:37.28 | Lopeppeppy | I like a lot more screen-space for the game, KriLL3, but if it's functional and makes you happy, go with it. |
| 15:37.45 | Lopeppeppy | Can be, foxlit. Depends on what and where and how. |
| 15:37.48 | KriLL3 | not much screen space taken up... |
| 15:38.03 | cog|work | I've never been much for widescreen |
| 15:38.13 | KriLL3 | it's a widescreen display |
| 15:38.14 | cog|work | I find vertical field of view much more important to the game than horizontal |
| 15:38.35 | cog|work | If I had a widescreen, i'd probably keep my data along the sides |
| 15:38.49 | KriLL3 | naw, I don't like that look |
| 15:38.55 | Lopeppeppy | My work laptop is widescreen, I have a hard time going back and forth from that to my PC. |
| 15:38.59 | KriLL3 | and I'm used to having it bellow/above |
| 15:39.23 | cog|work | actually, I like the way you have it dip down in the middle |
| 15:39.32 | KriLL3 | the biggest stroke of genius is that I got a popup menu for emotes using bartender :> |
| 15:39.33 | Kaydeethree | meh, I've got a dual-screen setup at work. I'm spoiled by that when coming home to my meager 17" flat-panel back home |
| 15:39.45 | clad|afk | foxlit: THat's not really a failing of the embedded library model, but the development model they're currently under |
| 15:39.50 | Kaydeethree | coming home... back home... |
| 15:40.03 | KriLL3 | cog|work: I want to make it dip a lot more in catform, but I don't know how to archive that |
| 15:40.06 | cog|work | Are you using CT_Viewport to compress the rendered area upwards? |
| 15:40.09 | KriLL3 | ss of cat: http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/3060/wowscrnshot061507173316nz5.jpg |
| 15:40.13 | KriLL3 | cog|work: yes |
| 15:40.45 | KriLL3 | as you see in cat all but the main bar are hidden, want the texture to shift down also... |
| 15:40.57 | cog|work | using dart? |
| 15:41.02 | KriLL3 | eePanels |
| 15:41.12 | cog|work | hmm... no idea :/ |
| 15:41.14 | KriLL3 | got so fed up with discord I could vomit... |
| 15:41.24 | cog|work | you'd probably have to set up a script that runs when you switch forms |
| 15:41.29 | KriLL3 | the author is supposedly making a new version |
| 15:41.39 | cog|work | i don't know if eePanels has a way to do that or if you'd have to write a mini-addon |
| 15:41.47 | KriLL3 | yeah, I know dart can do that, somehow, but the forums over there are dead silent |
| 15:42.29 | KriLL3 | eePanels can have their parent's set to other addon's frames, I've done that and it works perfectly, until you exit/reloadui, then it gets a validation error on the parent |
| 15:42.59 | KriLL3 | I set it to energy watch which is only shown in catform |
| 15:43.54 | KriLL3 | what unitframe addon would you guys recommend? I'd like something very customizable, prefably supporting custom textures etc |
| 15:44.19 | KriLL3 | I've been using default/ctmod unit frames since the game came out, new to this field of addons |
| 15:44.23 | Wraanger | it depends on what you want from that addon |
| 15:44.32 | Gnancy | I am sold on PitBull myself |
| 15:44.42 | Gnancy | but look around there are 3456345 of them |
| 15:44.43 | Wraanger | and what you mean by "lots of customizing" |
| 15:44.43 | KriLL3 | my name, target name, tot name, hp/mana/rage/energy bars |
| 15:45.05 | KriLL3 | Wraanger: custom position of individual elements, size, etc. |
| 15:45.11 | Wraanger | customizing in game, customizing by hack'n'slash at Lua etc ) |
| 15:45.20 | Lopeppeppy | Been sold on ag_unitframes myself, but I do hear that Pitbull has more options for super-custom. |
| 15:45.24 | KriLL3 | in game or slash, not lua |
| 15:45.31 | Wraanger | than Pitbull |
| 15:45.34 | KriLL3 | ok :) |
| 15:45.38 | KriLL3 | is that ace? |
| 15:45.40 | Wraanger | y ep |
| 15:45.50 | Wraanger | Ace2, to be exact |
| 15:45.52 | Gnancy | who cares if it is or not tho |
| 15:45.58 | Gnancy | if you like it use it |
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| 15:46.16 | KriLL3 | Gnancy: asked to know where to find it |
| 15:46.21 | Gnancy | ahh |
| 15:46.23 | KriLL3 | curse and most other sites doesn't list ace addons |
| 15:46.32 | Wraanger | www.wowace.com/files |
| 15:46.36 | Gnancy | sorry recationary :P |
| 15:46.38 | KriLL3 | or if they do horribly outdated |
| 15:46.49 | KriLL3 | Wraanger: already at http://www.wowace.com/wiki/PitBull :> |
| 15:46.50 | Wraanger | or better yet, install WUA |
| 15:46.58 | KriLL3 | WUA? |
| 15:47.01 | Wraanger | WAU* |
| 15:47.04 | Gnancy | the updater |
| 15:47.06 | KriLL3 | I got that |
| 15:47.21 | KriLL3 | I thought it was only an updater |
| 15:47.30 | KriLL3 | "only" |
| 15:47.36 | Wraanger | nah |
| 15:47.40 | KriLL3 | is it an installer for additional addons also? |
| 15:47.47 | Gnancy | yeah it can do taht |
| 15:47.48 | Wraanger | you can install new mods with it too )) |
| 15:47.52 | KriLL3 | nice |
| 15:48.07 | Wraanger | just tick them in the list and hit "Update" |
| 15:48.27 | zenzelezz | one thing that never fails about me coding anything is that I start making things before I know how I want them \o/ |
| 15:48.35 | zenzelezz | swear I've started re-doing my UI a dozen times |
| 15:48.42 | Wraanger | I personally look to each addon's dependancy list and install the needed libraries by hand ..don't like embedded |
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| 15:49.26 | Wraanger | it's normal, zenzelezz .... I have lost count of redoings of my UI ) |
| 15:49.58 | Gnancy | heh me too |
| 15:50.05 | KriLL3 | I've redone my UI a couple of times, mostly when I found another addon that did the work better than my old one |
| 15:50.18 | KriLL3 | been using CTmod and that whole kit for ages though |
| 15:50.32 | KriLL3 | finally switched to bartender some weeks ago |
| 15:50.54 | KriLL3 | and a couple of days ago when I switched from 19'' CRT to a wide 22'' LCD I figured re-doing my UI again wasn't a bad idea |
| 15:51.31 | Gnancy | KriLL3 have you seen EavesDrop? |
| 15:51.38 | KriLL3 | this is how my old UI looked: http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/9740/wowscrnshot061207202800ci0.jpg (note that this is just after I got the screen, I didn't bother to fix it) |
| 15:51.47 | KriLL3 | new in progress: http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/3329/wowscrnshot061507173306cs8.jpg |
| 15:51.53 | KriLL3 | Gnancy: I use hitsmode |
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| 15:52.38 | KriLL3 | my old UI was... overpowering... |
| 15:53.07 | Gnancy | here is an old one of mine |
| 15:53.08 | Gnancy | http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/1443/wowscrnshot032007174909bj3.jpg |
| 15:53.13 | Vilkku | hmm, what should I use to explore the .MPQ files? |
| 15:53.22 | Gnancy | i really need a new SS |
| 15:53.38 | KriLL3 | is that an xp bar ontop? |
| 15:53.59 | Gnancy | xp/rep yes |
| 15:54.02 | Lopeppeppy | Looks like FuXPFu. |
| 15:54.04 | KriLL3 | Gnancy: have to agree I'm moving in the right direction :> |
| 15:54.09 | Gnancy | its fuxp fu fu xp |
| 15:54.15 | Gnancy | or something like that |
| 15:54.19 | KriLL3 | can you use that without FuBar? I preffer Titan. |
| 15:54.40 | Lopeppeppy | Vilkku, I used the Blizzard utilities to explore their icons. Otherwise, I leave the MPQ's right alone. |
| 15:54.58 | Gnancy | hmm i dont think so |
| 15:55.15 | Gnancy | cause it uses fubar to place the bar thing |
| 15:55.25 | KriLL3 | Lopeppeppy: why not open critical game files in third party applications? |
| 15:55.28 | KriLL3 | :( |
| 15:55.38 | KriLL3 | I dunno why, but I prefer the look & feel of titan |
| 15:55.45 | Gnancy | eh use what you like |
| 15:56.24 | Wraanger | http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w67/Wraanger/WoWScrnShot_061507_195506.jpg << my UI atm ( WiP ) |
| 15:56.33 | Lopeppeppy | Dunno, KriLL3, I'm just all conservative like that. *shrug* |
| 15:56.36 | KriLL3 | minimalistic |
| 15:56.59 | Gnancy | thats nice Wraanger |
| 15:57.04 | Gnancy | i need my information tho |
| 15:57.06 | Vilkku | Lopeppeppy: basically, I want to know what music and sound files there are so that I can play them ingame using PlaySound |
| 15:57.22 | KriLL3 | I'm going for a bit more pazass |
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| 15:57.40 | Wraanger | all the needed information is there ))) |
| 15:57.43 | Lopeppeppy | Anyone got options for Vilkku? |
| 15:57.52 | Gnancy | i mean in my face Wraanger |
| 15:57.53 | KriLL3 | just wish I knew how to make eePanels shift shown panels depending on druid shape... |
| 15:57.56 | Wraanger | just ...hidden or situationally appear |
| 15:58.02 | Gnancy | and all over the place reduantly |
| 15:58.03 | Vilkku | I found some mpq software |
| 15:58.05 | zenzelezz | I used some version of WinMPQ to extract the sound files |
| 15:58.09 | zenzelezz | think I got it off WoWI |
| 15:58.10 | Gnancy | spilling onto the floor |
| 15:58.11 | Vilkku | gonna copy the files out of the wow folder and try |
| 15:58.18 | KriLL3 | would be so cool having unique UI panels for each form |
| 15:58.23 | Wraanger | what you mean by "shifting down" ? |
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| 15:58.47 | KriLL3 | something with leaves in caster, something with a feral theme in cat, nothing at all in flightform, no bars no nothing |
| 15:58.56 | Wraanger | for such a thing, you'd be better off with Discord Art |
| 15:59.11 | KriLL3 | Wraanger: I hate discord, used to like it but it's horribly buggy |
| 15:59.28 | KriLL3 | the author is said to be working on a complete rewrite, I'll check that out |
| 15:59.48 | Wraanger | not buggy ...resource-hoggin' - yeah ... but ... |
| 15:59.52 | KriLL3 | but he's doing so in complete silence, the discord forums/site isn't maintained anymore |
| 16:00.29 | KriLL3 | eePanels is a lot easier to deal with and the dewdrop options are a lot easier to get your head around |
| 16:00.31 | Wraanger | last time Loz replied like a 2.5 month ago ... said "work is in progree" ... |
| 16:01.13 | KriLL3 | I wish he would take a page out of the eePanel book and make the UI more minimalistic, instead of it's current fullscreen eye murderer |
| 16:02.36 | Wraanger | )) |
| 16:03.09 | Wraanger | you can try to parent eePanels to form-specific spells or smth like that ... ( don't tried that myself ) |
| 16:03.23 | TS|Skrom | Weapon speed viewer mod... Hit "C", select melee from either dropdown, hover over weapon damage? |
| 16:03.51 | Lopeppeppy | I remember seeing a thread on the UI forum recently about someone setting panels based on in-party and out of party... |
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| 16:05.26 | Vilkku | right, in which mpq is the music? common? |
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| 16:07.33 | TC-Working | ~moo |
| 16:07.34 | purl | mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/moo/ and http://www.riddleme.com/html/cow2.html |
| 16:11.12 | foxlit | The minimap world map button: what gets rid of it? |
| 16:11.25 | foxlit | (except /run MiniMapWorldMapButton:Hide();) |
| 16:12.34 | TC-Working | hmm..does that mean you could do a :Show() for the pvp minimap button? |
| 16:12.56 | TC-Working | i lost mine and cant find it anymore :( |
| 16:16.18 | Vilkku | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10557 feel free to take a look :P |
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| 17:03.46 | TC-Working | the channel hasn't been this dead since the great freenode crash of '98 |
| 17:04.10 | zenzelezz | untrue, it's silent for longer than this regularly |
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| 17:04.22 | zenzelezz | US night, early EU morning |
| 17:04.23 | TC-Working | no way |
| 17:05.08 | TC-Working | ehh...maybe...ok, then for this time of day/night...wehrever you are |
| 17:05.16 | TC-Working | wherever* |
| 17:05.31 | |Jelly| | It's only because my firewall decided to turn on me |
| 17:06.12 | TC-Working | traitor |
| 17:06.47 | |Jelly| | Can't be having the sex woman leading to my account getting sharded! |
| 17:07.57 | TC-Working | was that in english? |
| 17:08.25 | |Jelly| | Yes, as a matter of fact it was. |
| 17:08.53 | TC-Working | needs <format> tags then |
| 17:09.05 | |Jelly| | Lies! All lies! |
| 17:09.05 | TC-Working | because i didnt follow that at all |
| 17:11.03 | |Jelly| | grr |
| 17:12.13 | TS|Skrom | it's a shame seal of light/judgment of light don't get any coefficient |
| 17:12.27 | TS|Skrom | even if it was onl ylike 10% it would help it scale nicely |
| 17:12.39 | |Jelly| | Paladins don't need any help replacing me. |
| 17:13.00 | TS|Skrom | how would that be a replace of a priest? |
| 17:13.14 | TS|Skrom | it would allow you to unspecialize a bit |
| 17:13.38 | TC-Working | i dont get it, why are there so many priests here in IRC |
| 17:13.50 | |Jelly| | Can't tell you how many times I've been replaced by a Holy paladin. |
| 17:13.51 | TC-Working | hmm..maybe because ppl who play priests are the helpfull ones.... |
| 17:14.08 | TS|Skrom | TC-Working or the bitter |
| 17:14.36 | |Jelly| | <- bitter |
| 17:14.48 | TC-Working | <- SP, not bitter :) |
| 17:15.21 | TC-Working | |Jelly|, your an ass like me...that does not mean bitter |
| 17:15.36 | |Jelly| | No. I'm bitter too. When it comes to certain things, that is. |
| 17:16.02 | |Jelly| | And rest assured that being replaced by a paladin is one of those things. 8P |
| 17:16.26 | TS|Skrom | I'd just turn around and do something that a pally can't do |
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| 17:16.32 | TS|Skrom | spec shadow and do REAL dps |
| 17:16.45 | |Jelly| | I was shadow. |
| 17:16.53 | |Jelly| | Priest is a HUGE paradox. |
| 17:17.15 | |Jelly| | Because when I was shadow, no one wanted me. Now that I'm holy, I catch shit because I'm not a paladin. |
| 17:17.25 | TS|Skrom | wait wait wait, just want a point of clarification. Were you shadow when you got replaced by the pally? |
| 17:17.31 | |Jelly| | clad|work: You there? |
| 17:17.51 | |Jelly| | no |
| 17:18.00 | clad|work | yes |
| 17:18.02 | TS|Skrom | oh hehe |
| 17:18.21 | |Jelly| | I have something to show/ask you. |
| 17:19.28 | TC-Working | |Jelly|, how long ago were you shadow? with the recient patches SP's are making a comeback |
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| 17:20.09 | zenzelezz | comeback? I hear my teammates cry when we don't have one |
| 17:20.16 | TS|Skrom | hehe |
| 17:20.29 | |Jelly| | I left after the weaving nerf |
| 17:20.31 | TC-Working | well before...2.0, 2.1? SP were not wanted |
| 17:21.00 | TS|Skrom | I have a shadow priest that Ihang with some and we complement each other very well |
| 17:21.24 | TS|Skrom | his constant small heals plus my occaisional larger heals and stuffs dieing quick |
| 17:21.55 | zenzelezz | I saw shadow priests everywhere before 2.1 at least, don't know about 2.0 |
| 17:22.50 | Lopeppeppy | Every group has their bias, and some servers share the same bias.... "culture" sucks. |
| 17:23.49 | |Jelly| | clad|work: http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/5536/perfectraidproblemst1.jpg |
| 17:24.17 | clad|work | what am i looking at here? |
| 17:24.21 | |Jelly| | In the left one, Diavol needs Divine Spirit, and it's showing "Sh." In the right, Wariahan has PoM and it's showing just Po? (I haven't changed any settings) Should I just delete the Saved Variables and start over? |
| 17:24.33 | N|Tivoli | shadowpriests weren't really wanted until they got vampiric touch |
| 17:24.54 | N|Tivoli | then it was like OMG MANA YOU GIVE!! |
| 17:25.11 | N|Tivoli | and misery as well |
| 17:25.14 | TC-Working | i would still rather have inervate |
| 17:25.25 | TS|Skrom | yeah but druids are soooo whiney :P |
| 17:25.26 | |Jelly| | TC-Working: /agree |
| 17:25.35 | zenzelezz | personally I would rather have vampiric embrace, but I tend to be far from the priests |
| 17:25.43 | N|Tivoli | inervate is single target though, vt is group and constant mana gains |
| 17:25.49 | Antiarc|Work | vt is pretty crazy. |
| 17:25.50 | TC-Working | no TS|Skrom, i mean I would like to have inervate |
| 17:25.55 | TS|Skrom | innervate? but that would mean I'd have to shift out of cat even though I'm at full mana and its really no big deal |
| 17:25.59 | N|Tivoli | VE is too much aggro for most fights |
| 17:26.21 | TC-Working | s/I/*I*/ |
| 17:26.25 | zenzelezz | Tiv: yeah, but I don't have mana =D |
| 17:26.32 | N|Tivoli | hehe |
| 17:26.33 | sag_ich_nicht | [19:17] <|Jelly|> Because when I was shadow, no one wanted me. Now that I'm holy, I catch shit because I'm not a paladin. <--spec disc and kill everything in the arena that moves. |
| 17:26.46 | |Jelly| | Hate pvp |
| 17:26.51 | N|Tivoli | =( |
| 17:26.52 | Cide | as disc you don't kill stuff |
| 17:27.02 | sag_ich_nicht | Cide you do, indirectly |
| 17:27.06 | N|Tivoli | hahah |
| 17:27.07 | sag_ich_nicht | by making yourself and everyone else unkillable |
| 17:27.08 | sag_ich_nicht | >.> |
| 17:27.15 | |Jelly| | Cide: Exactly. You just let them beat on you long enough for your team to do something about it. |
| 17:27.28 | Cide | yup |
| 17:27.58 | sag_ich_nicht | "hey someone is trying to kill me oh wait *pain suppression* lol damamge, what damage?" |
| 17:28.02 | N|Tivoli | focused power is about as far down as i would go in disc |
| 17:28.09 | Cide | SoR > PS imo =/ |
| 17:28.24 | sag_ich_nicht | pf |
| 17:28.24 | Cide | hell blessed resilience > PS almost |
| 17:28.27 | N|Tivoli | blessed resilience |
| 17:28.37 | Cide | actually I'd rather have BR than PS |
| 17:28.38 | zenzelezz | my 57 priest was full discipline except for five points in that something-tap shadow talent... wasn't really fast leveling, but I could solo most things by shield, SW:P and wanding (repeated as necessary) |
| 17:28.38 | N|Tivoli | cause it's pretty much always up |
| 17:29.00 | N|Tivoli | since it procs off crits that were stopped by resilience now |
| 17:29.07 | Cide | well, kinda |
| 17:29.11 | Cide | read that post? it was interesting |
| 17:29.36 | Cide | the game doesn't know that it stopped a crit, so it does a separate roll and you have a chance to proc crit effects when not crit from that |
| 17:29.52 | Cide | which is both good and bad, I suppose |
| 17:29.56 | N|Tivoli | yeah |
| 17:32.33 | Antiarc|Work | Mathematically, it should work out the same, shouldn't it? |
| 17:32.37 | |Jelly| | So any ideas clad? |
| 17:32.44 | Cide | depends on how it works with Blessed Resilience |
| 17:32.49 | TC-Working | ...somehow i read that as Peppy-B-Gone....i think i am a bit tired |
| 17:32.49 | Antiarc|Work | So long as the crit roll is done on a table unaffected by the resilience modifier |
| 17:33.43 | clad|work | |Jelly|: reload.. seems like you got into a bad state |
| 17:34.03 | |Jelly| | Roger. Thanks. |
| 17:34.17 | |Jelly| | I thought maybe I squished the frame (somehow) lol |
| 17:35.10 | clad|work | heh |
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| 18:04.35 | KriLL3 | is it possible to add an invisible square that targets yourself/party/ToT etc? |
| 18:05.03 | KriLL3 | clicking a ZMC portrait doesn't target the owner of said portrait |
| 18:09.39 | KriLL3 | why does my minimap start outside the screen, and using /smm lock puts it back? O_o |
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| 18:15.56 | TC-Working | hmmm...only have 25 more lua files to print out |
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| 18:17.41 | Kaydeethree | oh, that reminds me |
| 18:17.52 | Kaydeethree | since I'm going now I should print out a copy of the framexml too |
| 18:18.28 | TC-Working | it's freakin HUGE |
| 18:18.38 | TC-Working | over 2K pages so far...i think |
| 18:19.08 | zenzelezz | which files are you printing, and why? |
| 18:19.08 | Kaydeethree | the lab paper is free |
| 18:19.37 | Kaydeethree | we're going to get slouken to sign a book of the framexml/blizzard addons at blizzcon |
| 18:20.21 | nevcairiel | hehe |
| 18:21.53 | Kaydeethree | oh that reminds me |
| 18:22.30 | zenzelezz | from what I saw the BlizzCon ticket isn't the expensive part |
| 18:22.40 | TC-Working | it is if you live around there |
| 18:22.46 | TC-Working | well...here |
| 18:22.50 | zenzelezz | well I don't :-p |
| 18:22.51 | Kaydeethree | meh, wikia's flying me out there too |
| 18:23.04 | TC-Working | ah, you were one of the winners |
| 18:23.16 | TC-Working | ? |
| 18:23.21 | Kaydeethree | ya |
| 18:23.22 | TC-Working | who was the other? |
| 18:23.26 | Kaydeethree | Tusva |
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| 18:24.35 | TC-Working | dont know him/her/it |
| 18:24.36 | Lopeppeppy | 'grats, Kaydeethree. |
| 18:24.54 | Kaydeethree | ty |
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| 18:25.20 | TC-Working | kay..so that means they fot you a room as well right? |
| 18:25.31 | Kaydeethree | ya |
| 18:25.33 | Lopeppeppy | I poked at the idea of going, but as most people say, the money isn't in line with the want. |
| 18:25.34 | TC-Working | err..got* |
| 18:25.54 | TC-Working | in that case, we are going to be holding the dev grouping in your room |
| 18:26.00 | Kaydeethree | hahaha |
| 18:27.06 | Kaydeethree | that depends entirely on where wikia's putting me up. need to get ahold of angie again, see if she's booked my tickets yet |
| 18:29.00 | zenzelezz | I went to the store today to buy some food, but left it sorely disappointed that I didn't find a single one that was marked as boosting my stamina |
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| 18:29.35 | Kaydeethree | meh, screw stamina food, gimme +spell damage |
| 18:30.02 | Lopeppeppy | I have some energy drink, would that count as +spell damage? |
| 18:30.11 | Lopeppeppy | It sure messes with the damage I do around the house... |
| 18:31.52 | TC-Working | hmmm....L2Housewife? |
| 18:32.25 | Lopeppeppy | F that, dear TC-Working. :P |
| 18:32.58 | TC-Working | pfft, uppity women.....they get that from playing WoW....BAN WoW! |
| 18:33.23 | Lopeppeppy | Sounds good to me, I'd have more time for LARPing and blowing things up. |
| 18:35.26 | TC-Working | LARPing.....personaly i play D&D, but the thought of LARPing fills me with dread.....if your gonna do that, do it for real |
| 18:36.15 | Lopeppeppy | Nothing more real than a broken nose this last event, and my sprained knee... NERO is about beating your friends upside the head. |
| 18:37.33 | zenzelezz | LARP? |
| 18:37.53 | Lopeppeppy | Live Action Role Playing. |
| 18:38.05 | Lopeppeppy | Some of it's tame, like D&D acted out. Some of it.... is not. :) |
| 18:38.14 | deltron | lol larp |
| 18:38.18 | deltron | LIGHTNING BOLT! |
| 18:38.38 | Lopeppeppy | 70 Assassinate *sword flies through the air and gives me a black eye* |
| 18:38.39 | krka | Lopeppeppy: You can't spell Assassinate without ass! |
| 18:38.56 | Lopeppeppy | Indeed, krka, that's why some people play the game. |
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| 18:40.28 | Hador | hello |
| 18:40.37 | Kaydeethree | hiya |
| 18:40.38 | Lopeppeppy | Afternoon. |
| 18:40.43 | |Jelly| | Hi |
| 18:40.54 | deltron | Kaydeethree: grats duder |
| 18:40.59 | Kaydeethree | thanks |
| 18:42.56 | Lopeppeppy | Afternoon, Lunessa. |
| 18:43.51 | Hador | I've got a little Problem qith a small addon I've written. The problem is, that WoW doesn't load the external LUA Code. Can please anyone have a look on the code and show me my mistake? |
| 18:43.51 | krka | Hador: Lua is not an acronym. |
| 18:44.06 | Kaydeethree | your .TOC pointing to the right file? |
| 18:44.27 | Hador | wow loads the addon |
| 18:44.36 | Hador | but not the external lua-code |
| 18:44.41 | Hador | here the xml: |
| 18:44.43 | Hador | <Ui xmlns="http://www.blizzard.com/wow/ui/" xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance" xsi:schemaLocation="http://www.blizzard.com/wow/ui/"> |
| 18:44.43 | Hador | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:44.43 | Hador | <Frame name="angelrute_main" hidden="true"> |
| 18:44.43 | Hador | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:44.43 | Hador | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:44.45 | Hador | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:44.48 | Hador | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:44.48 | Kaydeethree | wait! |
| 18:44.49 | Hador | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:44.51 | Hador | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:44.53 | Hador | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:44.55 | Hador | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:44.55 | haste | D: |
| 18:44.56 | Kaydeethree | post on wowi.pastey.net |
| 18:44.57 | Hador | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:44.59 | Hador | </Ui> |
| 18:45.46 | Hador | k |
| 18:45.48 | TS|Skrom | check capitalization/spelling on the filename in your script line |
| 18:46.45 | Zeksie | did you create the lua file after you loaded wow? cos it won't see it |
| 18:51.23 | TS|Skrom | I want an outfitter! |
| 18:51.24 | TS|Skrom | lol |
| 18:52.19 | Lopeppeppy | Me too, TS|Skrom. Wonder where I can hunt for one? Does it take a special license.... |
| 18:55.09 | Hador | ok thats it. I had to restart WoW |
| 19:00.30 | TC-Working | gah, hate people who type like "Øñê pêrsðñ ¢åñ'† çhåñgê h¡štðrÿ, ðñlÿ †hê pêðplê whð ƒðllðw h¡m ¢åñ. " |
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| 19:01.36 | Lopeppeppy | I wish I had that fancy a keyboard, or knew how to do all those alt-characters. I'd be special too. |
| 19:01.49 | TS|Skrom | you can't change history no matter how many people you have... it's already happened |
| 19:02.11 | TC-Working | Lopeppeppy http://www.asciitable.com/ |
| 19:02.57 | TC-Working | or http://jimprice.com/ascii-128-255.gif |
| 19:03.51 | TC-Working | though i dont know why i am helping to perpetuate it... |
| 19:04.02 | Lopeppeppy | But is it SH-CTRL-2-2 for a funky symbol? |
| 19:04.10 | Lopeppeppy | I'd never remember, and I don't think I want to know... |
| 19:04.14 | TS|Skrom | you secretly hate yourself |
| 19:04.34 | zenzelezz | you think those people actually type it themselves? They just use some script to do the dirty work |
| 19:04.47 | TS|Skrom | I know a couple only because some friends have them in their names |
| 19:06.07 | TC-Working | alt + the 3 digit code |
| 19:06.37 | TC-Working | so alt+225 = ß |
| 19:06.40 | Lopeppeppy | I don't even know my husband's birthday, I doubt I'd remember ascii-image code. |
| 19:06.59 | zenzelezz | ... |
| 19:07.13 | Lopeppeppy | I don't do numbers. At all. |
| 19:08.26 | TC-Working | pound randomly aty 3 digit number combos then? |
| 19:08.47 | zenzelezz | hm, my 57 priest, not touched since pre-2.0, has 1808 hitpoints (unbuffed)... is that normal? o_O |
| 19:08.52 | TS|Skrom | you know I understand and approve of diminishing returns against PC's... but why does a mob go immune to my stun. kinda defeats the purpose |
| 19:08.56 | Lunessa | lol Lopeppeppy - doesn't that ever become a problem? Or does he just mark the calendar for you every year? |
| 19:09.37 | Lopeppeppy | I know to the approximate week, Lunessa, and we celebrate everything on weekends anyway. He married me fully understanding my number-block, he's only got himself to blame in the end! |
| 19:09.38 | Kaydeethree | cell phone, only way I ever remember important dates |
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| 19:10.52 | Lunessa | I'm 'time-challenged' myself, so I have MySpace or AIM remind me of birthdays, |
| 19:13.42 | foxlit | I feel the need to promote Slanik. If you're not listening to anything, listen to crazy irishman whine on http://www.wcradio.com/popupradio.php |
| 19:14.05 | deltron | slanik! |
| 19:14.05 | TC-Working | i have people remind me of their bitrthdays...works out so much better |
| 19:15.01 | Lopeppeppy | I'm trying to work on a system of getting important date reminders... but soon as I set one up, I lose track of it. So I kinda go with you, TC-Working. If they want me to remember their birthday, they remind me the first of the month. Done deal. |
| 19:16.30 | TC-Working | first of the month??...hah, that only works if their birthday is on the 2nd |
| 19:16.32 | Lunessa | haha! Yes, but it's a socially critical thing to recall the birthdays of important people in your life. So i grind them in there. Sadly, I as a result, I still recall the brithdays of too many exs. |
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| 19:17.15 | Lopeppeppy | My memory sieve has let those slip, thank the gods, or I'd never live it down. |
| 19:17.56 | TS|Skrom | Speaking of remembering dates, yesterday was my 1 year "divorce anniversary" :-( |
| 19:18.05 | Lunessa | :( |
| 19:18.18 | Lunessa | I take it you're not the one that wanted it. |
| 19:18.27 | TS|Skrom | definately not |
| 19:20.00 | TS|Skrom | but it's alright, I'm better now and I've gotten to the point where I can call her a bitch and laugh about it |
| 19:20.50 | TC-Working | but not to the point where we can call her a bitch and you will laugh about it |
| 19:21.08 | Lunessa | :D Trust me, I know the feeling. Really. |
| 19:21.26 | TS|Skrom | go for it! :D |
| 19:21.50 | TS|Skrom | try me TC :P |
| 19:21.52 | TC-Working | uhh..it's gonna seem kinda hollow now |
| 19:22.01 | TS|Skrom | believe me I'll be chuckling |
| 19:22.14 | TS|Skrom | okay try this on for size, it'll be a nice pre-emptor |
| 19:23.22 | TS|Skrom | what led to the split (or at least a catalyst) was some money trouble we went through. On top of that her car got impounded because she let herself get too many parking tickets and didn't pay them. My mom ponied up 500$ to ge her car out for her with the understanding that she would pay my mom back. All this happened about 2 weeks before she split. |
| 19:24.17 | TS|Skrom | so after she sends divorce papers (around 6 months later) my mom sends her a letter asking for the 500$. Up until this point we had been playing with kids gloves on since we thought she might come back. She sics her lawyer on my mom telling her to never contact her again. |
| 19:24.27 | Lunessa | Well, sounds like there were some personal responsibility on her part that were a major factor. |
| 19:24.51 | TS|Skrom | Now, that's round 1, we're gonna get better here in a sec ^^ |
| 19:25.14 | TC-Working | better might not be the word to use..... |
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| 19:26.30 | TS|Skrom | she left town in January. As soon as she got her W2's she filed married, singly. For any of you who know how tax filing work this was a major problem for me. She had barely worked all year. I was using a LOT of her standard deductions ^^. When she filed singly I was unable to file jointly. Costing me a 400$ return and causing my owed taxes to be around 800 |
| 19:28.33 | TS|Skrom | Now for round 3. We rented an apartment from a family member. We got behind. Way behind. Mainly due to the fact that she refused to get a job, also refused to cook at home (and with my schedule that meant either she or we ate out alot). The family let us pay back when we could but when she left we owed 3k in back rent. |
| 19:29.15 | TS|Skrom | Which of course she completely stiffed me on. Now the family member essentially said 'forget about it' but that's still another 1500 that she was "responsible for" and skipped out on. |
| 19:29.51 | TS|Skrom | Compound that with the credit cards of hers I transferred to my card at a lower interest rate approx 3 weeks before she left and I ended up with about 10k extra in debt heh |
| 19:30.03 | TS|Skrom | Now... TC-Working what would you call that? |
| 19:30.39 | Lopeppeppy | Honey... you got pwned. |
| 19:30.44 | TC-Working | someone who needs to be shot |
| 19:30.49 | TS|Skrom | haha |
| 19:30.53 | TS|Skrom | yeah Lopeppeppy I did XD |
| 19:31.22 | Lopeppeppy | As with all PvP encounters, learn from the techniques so that you'll never be ambushed the same way twice... that's all you can really do. |
| 19:31.35 | TS|Skrom | heh yeah I have a list |
| 19:31.59 | TC-Working | number one should *always* be , "Get it in writing" |
| 19:32.40 | TS|Skrom | The next person I marry must have the following attributes: 1) independantly wealthy 2) dead parents (her parents were absolutely manipulative in the whole thing) 3) actually be grown up |
| 19:33.01 | TS|Skrom | just kidding about 1 and 2 (or am I... dun dun duuun) |
| 19:33.13 | TC-Working | you only want 3 to be partialy |
| 19:33.14 | Lopeppeppy | Start with number 3 and work back. :) |
| 19:33.47 | TC-Working | hethen |
| 19:33.47 | TS|Skrom | I'm kinda dating this girl atm and she's been a friend for awhile. Her sister is my best friends wife so I knew the whole family and the whole family knew my ex. |
| 19:34.04 | TS|Skrom | I told this girls mom about my 'list' before we ever dated. Now I'm kinda wondering what she's thinking |
| 19:34.08 | Lopeppeppy | kergoth, I know what I want. Chocolate, a cat, and a computer. Maid service optional. |
| 19:34.24 | kergoth | Lopeppeppy, glad to hear your priorities are in order :) |
| 19:34.33 | Josh_Borke | lol |
| 19:34.40 | TS|Skrom | Because she said at the time I told her the list "Oh guess you can't date Rachael then, eh?" and I responded "Oh they don't have to be dead when we are dating...." and gave her an evil look XD |
| 19:34.42 | Kaydeethree | yum... chocolate |
| 19:35.01 | TC-Working | i hate chocolate |
| 19:35.08 | Lopeppeppy | I think they're a little messed up, the computer should come before the cat... but when I get a cat, I will be ruled, and cat will have to come first... it's so confusing. |
| 19:35.22 | TC-Working | ....maybe it's more, strenously dislike |
| 19:35.23 | Lunessa | Hand over the chocolate and no one gets hurt. |
| 19:35.25 | kergoth | cats always have to come first |
| 19:35.42 | Lopeppeppy | I agree, kergoth. I won't bring one home until I can make sure I'm happy being owned. |
| 19:38.07 | Lunessa | Cats are full of awesome and win. |
| 19:38.33 | kergoth | i like my puppy. the other day he was attacking his foot, and then hiding his foot from himself so he couldnt bite it |
| 19:38.37 | kergoth | :D |
| 19:38.47 | Lopeppeppy | That's why I'm looking to become a cat-mommy soon, now that my LARP season is over and I'm home on weekends. |
| 19:39.45 | TC-Working | .... |
| 19:40.13 | TC-Working | see, it's the RP that bothers me...i can deal with the LA |
| 19:40.54 | deltron | heh cats > dogs |
| 19:41.00 | TS|Skrom | LIGHTNING BOLT! LIGHTNING BOLT! |
| 19:41.02 | deltron | too bad i'm very allergic to both :P |
| 19:41.40 | kergoth | deltron, :( |
| 19:42.18 | Lopeppeppy | I'm allergic too... doesn't make me want a companion animal any less. |
| 19:42.25 | deltron | heh |
| 19:42.37 | Lopeppeppy | Anywho... y'all have a great rest-of-Friday! |
| 19:42.43 | Lunessa | Ciao |
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| 19:42.47 | kergoth | ~friday |
| 19:42.48 | purl | Friday sucks, because it should be the weekend, but you're stuck working anyway. |
| 19:43.43 | Lunessa | But, I work Saturdays too. |
| 19:44.14 | kergoth | :( |
| 19:49.14 | TC-Working | heh, i'm going to pull an MLK later |
| 19:50.10 | TC-Working | since this is my last day of work, it's going to be something along the lines of "Free At Last, Free At Last Thank God Almighty I'm Free At Last." |
| 19:50.27 | Lunessa | LOL |
| 19:51.43 | zenzelezz | one of these days I'm going to start writing down the answers to my "secret questions" |
| 19:52.05 | TC-Working | that takes all the fun out of guessing then |
| 19:53.03 | Lunessa | Just tape a sticky note of all your passwords to your monitor, like the villains in movies do. |
| 19:53.04 | krka | Lunessa: You can't spell passwords without ass! |
| 19:53.07 | zenzelezz | yeah, but I'm paranoid, I always think there's someone on the other end monitoring my attempts at finding the right one, his finger on the ban button |
| 19:55.05 | Lunessa | Or better yet, get yourself access to the AWESOME "whois" command used by Sandra Bullock in "The Net" - which gives you someone's complete FBI file for knowing how to type "whois name" |
| 19:56.21 | Punkie` | need |
| 19:56.40 | Lunessa | DO WANT |
| 19:57.02 | Punkie` | CAN I HAS FILES? |
| 19:57.11 | Lunessa | GTFO |
| 19:57.23 | Lunessa | KTHX |
| 19:57.40 | Punkie` | :( |
| 19:57.58 | TC-Working | wtb: lolcode free channel |
| 19:57.59 | Lunessa | That's what I get when I try "WHO IS" |
| 19:58.36 | zenzelezz | what is it with you TC... no puns, no lolcode... |
| 19:59.00 | TC-Working | harsh i know, but thats 2 out of how much crap that goes on here? |
| 19:59.01 | TC-Working | :) |
| 19:59.13 | zenzelezz | it's an integral part |
| 19:59.24 | TC-Working | i would add no singing, but i dont have to worry about that |
| 19:59.31 | TC-Working | thankfuly |
| 19:59.42 | Kaydeethree | I could start singing in japanese if you want |
| 19:59.43 | Lunessa | At least we're not fighting over libraries today. |
| 19:59.56 | TC-Working | Kaydeethree...go ahead |
| 20:01.58 | Kaydeethree | 例ãˆã°ã　涙ãŒã“ã¼ã‚Œã‚‹æ—¥ã«ã¯ ãã®èƒŒä¸ã‚’　ã²ã¨ã‚Šã˜ã‚ã—ãŸã„ã‘ã© |
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| 20:02.10 | Kaydeethree | gah, takes forever for me to type in japanese |
| 20:02.23 | TC-Working | thats not singing...thats typing... |
| 20:02.33 | Kaydeethree | I'm singing as I type |
| 20:02.36 | Lunessa | And I can't read Kanji |
| 20:02.42 | Kaydeethree | be glad I don't have a mic |
| 20:03.17 | TC-Working | cant mic over IRC...safe |
| 20:11.34 | deltron | turn on the microsoft text to speech! |
| 20:13.03 | TC-Working | does ag_uf really lock up in BG's i havent had this problem..... |
| 20:13.25 | deltron | i heard there was issues with ag_uf |
| 20:13.32 | TC-Working | s/'s i/'s? I/ |
| 20:14.13 | TC-Working | odd....i did 3 bg games last night 1 av and 2 ab's....no issues at all |
| 20:14.24 | deltron | I haven't used ag_uf in a while |
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| 20:26.28 | Lunessa | I think it might have had to do with using the raid frames, and polder releases of AG_UF. But I am using PitBull and using Perfect Raid for raid frames and haven't had any issues. |
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| 20:30.51 | TC-Working | heh, i use ag_uf and praid |
| 20:30.59 | |Jelly| | Pitbull is lurve imo |
| 20:31.09 | TC-Working | lurve? |
| 20:31.10 | |Jelly| | ...as far as UF that look like that goes |
| 20:31.15 | deltron | i use pitbull for raid frames |
| 20:31.18 | |Jelly| | yes. lurve. |
| 20:31.20 | subbawt | for some reason my performance dropped when i used pitbull |
| 20:31.26 | TC-Working | ~dict lurve |
| 20:31.28 | subbawt | but at the time my computer was overheating as it was |
| 20:31.39 | subbawt | so it's probably not fair to blame pitbull |
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| 20:32.22 | TC-Working | i would try out pitbull if ckknight bothered to fix the aura placements |
| 20:32.36 | |Jelly| | That's really my only bitch about it. |
| 20:32.43 | deltron | TC-Working: no issues with aura |
| 20:32.51 | TC-Working | the placement of them |
| 20:32.58 | TC-Working | in the not basic layout |
| 20:33.06 | deltron | you mean overlapping players? |
| 20:33.17 | deltron | with debuffs or buffs? |
| 20:33.26 | TC-Working | yes, those are called auras |
| 20:33.36 | TC-Working | not to be confused this what a pally does |
| 20:33.42 | deltron | i know heh |
| 20:34.00 | deltron | you mean how it overlaps the player below them? |
| 20:34.21 | TC-Working | well i have mine layed out differently but it goes in places it shouldnt |
| 20:35.00 | TC-Working | s/have/had/ |
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| 20:35.39 | |Jelly| | ~whalestab TX-Working |
| 20:35.39 | purl | ACTION stabs TX-Working with a rather narrow and pointy whale named Montgomery |
| 20:35.45 | |Jelly| | ownt |
| 20:37.05 | TC-Working | ~whaleparry |Jelly| |
| 20:37.06 | purl | ACTION uses a slightly less-huge but eminently more agile killer whale named Edwardo to parry |Jelly|'s attacks. |
| 20:37.17 | TC-Working | ~whalestab |Jelly| |
| 20:37.18 | purl | ACTION stabs |Jelly| with a rather narrow and pointy whale named Montgomery |
| 20:37.47 | |Jelly| | ~whaleslap TC-Working |
| 20:37.48 | purl | ACTION beats TC-Working upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 20:38.23 | TC-Working | ~decapitate |Jelly| |
| 20:38.24 | purl | ACTION cuts of |Jelly|'s head with a halberd that could have been a little bit sharper |
| 20:38.31 | |Jelly| | You win. |
| 20:38.43 | TC-Working | ~cheer TC-Working |
| 20:38.44 | purl | ACTION cheers TC-Working on |
| 20:39.14 | TC-Working | ~win TC-Working |
| 20:39.15 | purl | Congratulations, TC-Working! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL cd's, a set of 120! |
| 20:39.25 | TC-Working | hmm...not exactly what i was thinking |
| 20:40.22 | |Jelly| | ~larp TC-Working |
| 20:40.28 | |Jelly| | bah |
| 20:40.34 | TC-Working | "lart" |
| 20:40.38 | |Jelly| | yeah |
| 20:40.47 | TC-Working | though larp would be just as bad |
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| 20:44.07 | N00bZXI | Is there any way a mod can use CPU when it's not doing anything? |
| 20:44.25 | Kaydeethree | ya, look at KTM |
| 20:44.44 | Xuerian | Bad Kaydeethree, bad! |
| 20:44.48 | N00bZXI | KTM is running onupdates |
| 20:44.49 | N00bZXI | and that's something |
| 20:45.09 | N00bZXI | Let me post the code I'm referring to |
| 20:46.02 | N00bZXI | http://pastey.net/56915 |
| 20:46.18 | N00bZXI | It's a little mod for personal use.. |
| 20:49.09 | N00bZXI | Should this be using any CPU at all? |
| 20:49.10 | Kaelten | N00bZXI: probably the hook your using gets called when you don't expect it too |
| 20:49.26 | N00bZXI | Kaelten: Hmm, I see.. |
| 20:49.27 | Cide | see |
| 20:49.33 | Kaelten | and, if i'm not mistaken, secure hooks cost more than regular hooks as well. |
| 20:49.47 | Cide | "using cpu" and "not doing anything" kind of contradict themselves |
| 20:50.06 | Cide | correct, Kaelten |
| 20:50.21 | Kaelten | how much cpu are you using? |
| 20:50.33 | N00bZXI | I'm not sure since I have profiling turned off atm |
| 20:51.13 | Kaelten | but other than that thats the only thing I see that would cuase cpu usage when your not doing anything |
| 20:51.14 | N00bZXI | I was just curious, since this was using more than my other addons.. which do quite a bit more. |
| 20:51.38 | N00bZXI | I mean by that the ones I wrote |
| 20:52.51 | Kaelten | try disabling that hook and see if it still does it |
| 20:55.45 | N00bZXI | Yep, now it's using prettymuch zero as I thought it should |
| 20:57.21 | N00bZXI | Well... I noticed it's #4 on the useage list and is using a whopping 1.7% of the rest of my UI.. I should have looked at that in the first place :\ |
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| 20:58.22 | Kaelten | hrm |
| 20:58.27 | Kaelten | weird not sure why that function is calling so much |
| 20:58.50 | Kaelten | might want to look at alternate methods and or a cheaper check inside the hook to see if it needs to do what you're wanting |
| 21:00.14 | N00bZXI | I think it'll be fine.. it's using 1.7%.. I assumed it was using more when I saw it listed as #4 on the chart |
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| 21:07.29 | Cide | 1.7% is still a fair bit |
| 21:08.01 | Cide | but that's really only something to consider if you're releasing it |
| 21:09.34 | N00bZXI | The thing is my UI is more lightweight than most people (to my knowledge) so if anyone else used it they'd probably get a far smaller number |
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| 21:10.26 | ckknight | subbawt: I fixed a lot of the perf issues with PitBull |
| 21:11.04 | N00bZXI | And the other thing is I'm probably not going to release it, since it only really has the features I need from a chatmod, and nothing else. |
| 21:12.35 | deltron | my UI usually has like 90mb of memory used |
| 21:12.44 | Kaydeethree | wow |
| 21:12.52 | deltron | heh |
| 21:12.55 | deltron | lots of mods |
| 21:13.05 | deltron | and I use auctioneer :P |
| 21:13.22 | Kaydeethree | meh, I've only got auctioneer on my bank alt |
| 21:13.25 | N00bZXI | <-- gcinfo() prints something close to 9800 |
| 21:13.43 | deltron | i like it for the prices when i'm out in the world heh |
| 21:13.54 | N00bZXI | Not sure about addon memory since I don't have Blizzard latency bar enabled and don't know the function name for getting it |
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| 21:21.09 | ckknight | N00bZXI: get PerformanceFu |
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| 21:22.00 | N00bZXI | ckknight: Not running fubar |
| 21:22.00 | ckknight | hrm |
| 21:22.01 | ckknight | not sure PerformanceFu requires it |
| 21:22.07 | N00bZXI | Last I checked it does |
| 21:22.10 | Cide | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:22.19 | Cide | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:22.55 | N00bZXI | That'd work, except I'm looking for my whole UI's memory, not just one addon |
| 21:23.25 | N00bZXI | I looked in framexml and Blizzard UI runs some function to calculate it |
| 21:23.26 | Cide | um |
| 21:23.29 | Cide | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:23.46 | N00bZXI | That's what I'm using ATM, except the numbers it gives include Blizzard UI |
| 21:23.57 | Cide | the term 'UI' includes the blizzard ui |
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| 21:24.14 | ckknight | N00bZXI: hang on, lemme change it so it doesn't require... |
| 21:24.15 | Cide | so loop through all of your addons and subtract that from gcinfo() |
| 21:24.34 | Cide | err |
| 21:24.45 | Cide | s/and subtract that from gcinfo()// |
| 21:24.57 | N00bZXI | Cide: That's what's being done, the only problem is I can't /print it. |
| 21:25.09 | TS|Skrom | http://wowi.pastey.net/56916 what's wrong with my backdrop file declaration? it's not showing >< |
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| 21:25.46 | Cide | so loop through all of your addons* |
| 21:26.12 | N00bZXI | [14:25:12]<N00bZXI>Cide: That's what's being done, the only problem is I can't /print it. |
| 21:26.21 | Cide | um, why not? |
| 21:26.41 | Cide | ChatFrame1:AddMessage(variable) |
| 21:26.55 | N00bZXI | Then I'd need to memorize a huge script :\ |
| 21:27.08 | Cide | still not following |
| 21:27.17 | Cide | in any case, afk |
| 21:27.25 | subbawt | i type out /script ChatFrame1:AddMessage(GetMouseFocus():GetName()) |
| 21:27.26 | subbawt | a lot |
| 21:27.48 | Cide | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:27.51 | N00bZXI | I have Ace running, so I just use /print GetMouseFocus() |
| 21:27.54 | N00bZXI | FTW indeed. |
| 21:28.05 | subbawt | doesn't that print a bunch of information though? |
| 21:28.24 | N00bZXI | Yes, but then I could use /print GetMouseFocus():GetName() |
| 21:28.28 | subbawt | i used to have that macro'd to Alt+R |
| 21:28.43 | foxlit | I use do /mf |
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| 21:31.44 | ckknight | okay, N00bZXI, I got it so that PerformanceFu no longer requires FuBar. |
| 21:32.28 | TS|Skrom | nm to my question I was esacping the \'s and didn't need to in the xml |
| 21:33.48 | N00bZXI | ckknight: Thanks! Let me know when it's uploaded |
| 21:34.38 | ckknight | it is updated :-P |
| 21:34.39 | zenzelezz | letting this shaman get the Gorehowl was the stupidest thing I've done in a while... he's messing about showing off crits everywhere now... and that's not necessarily very fun in SH |
| 21:34.41 | KriLL3 | anyone got experience making other addon's frames the parent of eePanels' panels? |
| 21:34.48 | ckknight | it'll appear on files.wowace.com within 20 minutes |
| 21:35.04 | KriLL3 | I get validation error on logon/reloadui, works fine until I do either |
| 21:35.26 | zenzelezz | validation error? |
| 21:35.28 | KriLL3 | oddly enough the frames I use to frame ZMC works fine, moves then they move, etc. |
| 21:35.51 | KriLL3 | zenzelezz: just says validation issue when I open up it's parent option |
| 21:36.05 | KriLL3 | if I remove that text and insert it agian it works again |
| 21:36.40 | KriLL3 | and the frame that is on target and tot of ZMC work fine also, appear when I get a target/tot np and disappear again |
| 21:37.12 | KriLL3 | tried to make EnergyWatchBar the parent of another frame, and that works until you log out/reloadui |
| 21:38.18 | zenzelezz | EnergyWatchFrame is from another addon? |
| 21:38.31 | zenzelezz | *Bar |
| 21:38.46 | KriLL3 | yeah, energy watch |
| 21:38.53 | KriLL3 | shows energy ticks |
| 21:39.03 | KriLL3 | only shown when I'm in kitten form |
| 21:39.18 | TC-Working | hmm..seems another batman movie is coming out |
| 21:39.23 | KriLL3 | and sure enough, works beautifully, until I logon again or reloadui |
| 21:39.28 | zenzelezz | I don't know whether you can rely on other frames existing during load time if they're not in your own addon |
| 21:39.56 | KriLL3 | zenzelezz: you're saying eeFrames might load before energy watch and thus when it tries to assign a parent it fails? |
| 21:40.18 | zenzelezz | yes, but it's just a guess; I don't know whether WoW is smart about that |
| 21:40.23 | KriLL3 | but ZMC loads before thus all frames bound to that work fine |
| 21:41.08 | KriLL3 | is there a way to change WoW's screenshot quality? default is horribly compressed :< |
| 21:41.37 | zenzelezz | either use TGA or dig up the thread on the forum (US?) that said how to set the JPEG compression |
| 21:43.41 | KriLL3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:43.48 | KriLL3 | dunno the range of that though... |
| 21:44.01 | Kaydeethree | 1-10 |
| 21:44.13 | KriLL3 | 9 should be about right then |
| 21:44.21 | KriLL3 | is 3 default? =P |
| 21:44.31 | Lunessa | Probably. :P |
| 21:44.46 | Kaydeethree | easy way to find out... www.wowwiki.com/Config.wtf_defaults |
| 21:45.16 | KriLL3 | 3 |
| 21:45.18 | KriLL3 | I was right! |
| 21:45.33 | KriLL3 | not bad for shooting in the dark |
| 21:47.05 | KriLL3 | I didn't notice the crappy quality thought until I took a long hard look at the clouds in nagrand during the night, shades and swirls of purple, the screenshot makes that into a swirl of color fields and jaggies... eww... |
| 21:48.06 | TC-Working | L2Useexternalscreencaptureprogram |
| 21:48.18 | Lunessa | I just set it back to .tga - but then, I know how to use GIMP or Photoshop or other image tools to edit images. And I'm not worried about disk space. |
| 21:49.01 | N00bZXI | ckknight: Just grabbed performancefu, thanks again! |
| 21:49.13 | ckknight | :-) |
| 21:49.28 | Lunessa | Ooo... Yeah, I should grab that too. |
| 21:50.17 | Lunessa | It's the one thing I was missing from dropping FuBar (not that FuBar wasn't good, I just didn't really need it for anything else). |
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| 21:50.35 | Wraanger | heyaz |
| 21:50.51 | TC-Working | hello Wraanger |
| 21:52.22 | KriLL3 | opinions on my in the works UI? http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/5144/wowscrnshot061507232208kw2.jpg |
| 21:52.54 | KriLL3 | the bottom texture is a stand in, just for me to learn the workflow, the pitbull stuff will be scaled down, etc etc etc, about 2 hours of work most of it put into learning new addons. |
| 21:53.42 | TC-Working | you might want the think about sticking the minimap buttons in fubar, i can see at least 5 that can go there |
| 21:54.06 | KriLL3 | I don't like fubar |
| 21:54.14 | TC-Working | you have fubar.... |
| 21:54.40 | dieck | i always dislike buff frames with names - I know my buff icons - and when raiding you have no place to waste :) |
| 21:54.54 | KriLL3 | TC-Working: that's titanbar |
| 21:55.11 | TC-Working | ah |
| 21:55.23 | Lunessa | Get MiniMapButtonBag |
| 21:55.26 | KriLL3 | dieck: I dunno if I want to use pitbull's buffs of CTmods buffs, thus the dual thing atm |
| 21:55.46 | KriLL3 | Lunessa: it horribly raped smm last time I tried it... |
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| 21:56.10 | Lunessa | I'm using SMM and MMB together just fine. |
| 21:56.16 | dieck | and I can't see the use of unitframe face views, I know what I look like, even if I see mostly the back of my head :) |
| 21:56.32 | KriLL3 | smm isn't even shown when I log in, need to use /smm lock for it to appear... |
| 21:56.48 | KriLL3 | dieck: it's for the kewl factor |
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| 21:57.17 | dieck | waste of space :) |
| 21:57.23 | N00bZXI | Lunessa: What does that mod do? |
| 21:57.24 | Lunessa | I use portraits on unit frames for knowing when to dispell Polymorph. |
| 21:57.34 | TC-Working | dieck /agree |
| 21:57.45 | dieck | but therefore every player can choose his own set of addons and settings |
| 21:58.30 | Lunessa | Mini Map Button Bag grabs mini map buttons from addons and makes them into a click-menu, kind of like the spell menus from Necrosis.. so you essentially only have one button on your mini map. |
| 21:58.33 | dieck | Lunessa: smartbuff (or, to be more exact, smartdebuff) works perfect for me |
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| 21:58.48 | KriLL3 | I wish there was an addon that made the chat like 4 rows until you moused over it and then it became a lot more rows |
| 21:58.48 | Lunessa | Yeah, but I don't use that. :P |
| 21:59.01 | Lunessa | DreamChat? |
| 21:59.18 | Lunessa | (Which I can't ever get to work right for me, but other have.) |
| 21:59.19 | KriLL3 | is that ace? |
| 21:59.20 | Wraanger | there is an addon which can do that ) |
| 21:59.49 | Lunessa | Krill - Yes. |
| 21:59.51 | N00bZXI | Interesting, I wrote something not too long ago to accomplish the same.. however, mine grabs the button, and moves it to a frame that shows/hides on rightclicking the minimap |
| 21:59.54 | dieck | I think prat has an option like that? |
| 22:00.10 | Wraanger | working a bit differently though ...it's 3-4 rows ( you can define it ) then when you double click it becomes 8 rows |
| 22:00.24 | Lunessa | And why have EEPanels if you're not using it? Or is that how you're doing the bottom texture? |
| 22:00.42 | KriLL3 | eePanels... |
| 22:01.48 | KriLL3 | I just grabbed a texture and did that shape in less than 3 mins, it's just a test |
| 22:01.52 | Lunessa | I see it's minimap button... |
| 22:01.54 | Wraanger | and if you want your buffs to be like that, use EBB instead of CT |
| 22:01.59 | Wraanger | CT is a mess |
| 22:02.11 | KriLL3 | EBB? |
| 22:02.19 | Wraanger | Elkano BuffBar |
| 22:02.43 | Lunessa | And on that note; Free at last. Free at last. Thank God Almighty, I am free at last! |
| 22:02.49 | N00bZXI | Question: Why would 'if UnitExists(unit) and UnitIsPlayer(unit) then' evaluate as false when targeting a player of the opposite faction? |
| 22:02.50 | Lunessa | Headed home. |
| 22:03.09 | Wraanger | http://files.wowace.com/ElkBuffBars/ElkBuffBars.zip |
| 22:03.29 | TC-Working | bah, lunessa stole my thunder |
| 22:04.04 | N00bZXI | Nevermind.. it failed because I typo'd the word 'unit' in the function's arguements. |
| 22:04.25 | KriLL3 | Wraanger: bar or bars? see both |
| 22:04.34 | Wraanger | bars |
| 22:05.09 | Wraanger | bar is older version ...bars is newer complete rewrite |
| 22:05.21 | Wraanger | I personally use Satrina Buff Frame :) |
| 22:05.33 | KriLL3 | why is bar still in there? =P |
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| 22:06.14 | Wraanger | cause some people prefer stability over new features and ( possibly ) some bugs ) |
| 22:06.17 | TC-Working | because bars just came out of beta |
| 22:06.24 | KriLL3 | oh |
| 22:07.17 | KriLL3 | btw managed to use BT3Bar1.class:ToggleVisibilty() in macros to make a bartender bar into a dropdown :> |
| 22:07.36 | KriLL3 | all functions in that dropdown have the same line as the button that opens it, thus pressing one closes it again |
| 22:08.06 | KriLL3 | use it for emotes, had a full bar always there for emotes earlier |
| 22:08.54 | TS|Skrom | http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i257/derick_donnel/weirdtooltip.jpg -- never encountered this: I'm setting the frame to inherit gametooltiptemplate and it's looking liek this |
| 22:13.23 | End | TS|Skrom: did you set the backdrop color or whatever? |
| 22:13.35 | TS|Skrom | I don't think I set anything at all |
| 22:13.41 | TS|Skrom | just inherits="GameTooltipTemplate" |
| 22:14.02 | TS|Skrom | I'm changing the points in my Lua when the user drags it thoguh if that makes a difference |
| 22:14.14 | TS|Skrom | just doing Frame:SetPoint() etc |
| 22:14.26 | End | did you write an OnLoad? |
| 22:14.26 | TS|Skrom | I'm a texture noob |
| 22:14.35 | TS|Skrom | no, there's no onload, what would it have? |
| 22:14.40 | End | hmm |
| 22:14.49 | TS|Skrom | i have an onevent for variables_loaded |
| 22:15.05 | TC-Working | TS|Skrom, i saw a post about MH/OH speed display... |
| 22:15.12 | End | how do you expected to get VARIABLES_LOADED? o_O |
| 22:15.14 | TS|Skrom | checks for saved variables with frame offset positions (x,y relative to uiparent) and sets the point of the frame to that |
| 22:15.26 | TS|Skrom | End, I'm not sure I understand the question |
| 22:15.31 | TS|Skrom | TC-Working yeah it's in response to that thread |
| 22:15.36 | TC-Working | ah |
| 22:15.40 | TS|Skrom | mod's done, cept for the funky looking window |
| 22:15.47 | End | an OnEvent is useless if you haven't registered for any events |
| 22:15.53 | TS|Skrom | yes, it's registered |
| 22:16.03 | TS|Skrom | you can register events in the xml, sorry if that's what you were asking :) |
| 22:16.13 | TS|Skrom | I didn't do an actualy MyMod_OnLoad() |
| 22:16.21 | End | so you did implement OnLoad? |
| 22:16.31 | TS|Skrom | yes, sorry, didn't understand the question XD |
| 22:16.53 | End | the color probably gets set in OnLoad, and if you implement OnLoad yourself, it won't get run |
| 22:16.56 | TS|Skrom | it's just <OnLoad>this:RegisterEvent("VARIABLES_LOADED")</OnLoad> |
| 22:18.14 | End | call GameTooltip_OnLoad() in your OnLoad |
| 22:18.16 | TS|Skrom | that was it, thanks. I added GameTooltip_OnLoad(); to my <OnLoad> and it's normal |
| 22:18.20 | End | yea |
| 22:18.23 | End | np :) |
| 22:18.33 | TS|Skrom | cool okay gotta write that one down for later haha |
| 22:19.04 | End | I think I've run into that problem as well. :P |
| 22:21.00 | TS|Skrom | GameTooltip_OnLoad(); |
| 22:21.02 | TS|Skrom | oops |
| 22:21.05 | TS|Skrom | http://www-en.curse-gaming.com/downloads/details/8166/ |
| 22:21.09 | TS|Skrom | that's what I meant to link |
| 22:22.12 | TS|Skrom | and before anyone asks, I'm narcisistic, yes, but I also cna't think of good names so Skrom's X is the best you get from me |
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| 22:24.45 | End | I don't think anyone was going to ask ;p |
| 22:24.59 | TS|Skrom | hehe |
| 22:26.42 | zenzelezz | Vindicator Aeus is starting to look like the new Gamon |
| 22:26.50 | TS|Skrom | I don't think the mod is anything I would ever use, but it didn't take long to make and was kinda neat. If I hadn't I would never have learned that about tooltips either XD |
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| 22:30.55 | Antiarc|Work | They should make Aeus randomly respawn 100x stronger |
| 22:30.58 | Antiarc|Work | So like every 14 kills |
| 22:31.07 | Antiarc|Work | He becomes a demigod and just annihilates anyone that looks at him funny |
| 22:33.22 | zenzelezz | if not that, they could make him respawn behind the killer, stunlocking and killing him |
| 22:35.38 | TC-Working | respawn inside the killer....'sploding him/her |
| 22:35.56 | KriLL3 | wow doesn't have player collision |
| 22:36.07 | KriLL3 | that is how you can move around IF |
| 22:36.47 | zenzelezz | not that many people in Ironforge anymore, at least on my server |
| 22:36.55 | zenzelezz | I actually think there are more in Stormwind now |
| 22:38.20 | KriLL3 | how hard would it be to make/modify (with permission, don't heat the iron) an addon with the only function to show a different frame (don't need content) depending on what druid shape you are in? |
| 22:39.15 | KriLL3 | tons on mine, I never go there anymore though, I live in outland (shattrath) and go to the exodar when I need an AH, then HS back to shattrath or use toshley station teleporter :> |
| 22:40.24 | zenzelezz | there's an AH in Exodar? |
| 22:40.25 | KriLL3 | I basically want something to make the parent of my eePanel panels and thus be able to use different sets of panels depending on what shape I'm in (different themes) |
| 22:40.28 | KriLL3 | duh |
| 22:40.38 | KriLL3 | AH in Exodar, 2 AHs in silvermoon |
| 22:40.45 | TC-Working | i wish there was a freaking AH in shat |
| 22:41.00 | zenzelezz | anyway, I use Stormwind for AH. Close to the portal if my HS isn't up, close to Kara, prettier than Ironforge |
| 22:41.01 | KriLL3 | because silvermoon is hueg leik xbox |
| 22:41.13 | zenzelezz | and I haven't been below 60 since BC, never visited Exodar |
| 22:41.21 | Kaydeethree | I don't... most of the server's on the outland server. if there was an AH, no one would ever leave |
| 22:41.24 | KriLL3 | zenzelezz: exodar is prittiest and I got toshely station porter is HS ins't up |
| 22:41.25 | Kaydeethree | shat's bad enough as is |
| 22:41.35 | KriLL3 | btw, anyone got a reply to my question? :> |
| 22:41.50 | dieck | zenzelezz: you don't need the portal even if your hs is down - SW has other possibilities: get invited from a guild member, enter Stockades, leave group |
| 22:41.51 | zenzelezz | if they do they'll answer |
| 22:41.59 | KriLL3 | Kaydeethree: why would you want to go back to old shitty azeroth? |
| 22:42.05 | TC-Working | i dunno, i dont have any issue with shat |
| 22:42.08 | zenzelezz | dieck: I don't like the instance port trick |
| 22:42.12 | Kaydeethree | black lotus + dreamfoil + silversage farming |
| 22:42.28 | KriLL3 | isn't there better stuff to farm in outland? |
| 22:42.35 | zenzelezz | and Azeroth is great; just not for 60+ content (barring Kara) |
| 22:42.45 | dieck | zenzelezz: blizzard knows of that bug and hasn't yet done anything about it - so it looks safe & ok for me |
| 22:42.47 | Kaydeethree | not if I know all of the black lotus spawn points |
| 22:42.59 | zenzelezz | dieck: I didn't say it's not safe, only that I don't like it |
| 22:43.08 | TC-Working | zenzelezz, and the..err..time place... |
| 22:43.47 | zenzelezz | good point; I don't go there enough to remember it, but I imagine it'll be frequently visited by the big guilds soon enough |
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| 22:45.25 | zenzelezz | the one thing I really didn't like about AQ was how remote it was |
| 22:45.36 | zenzelezz | seen from Alliance perspective at elast |
| 22:45.37 | Elkano | KriLL3/Wraanger: the reason it's still there is more me being to lazy to tag and remove ^^ |
| 22:45.41 | KriLL3 | ? tanaris teleporter |
| 22:45.52 | KriLL3 | Elkano: kk :> |
| 22:45.53 | zenzelezz | you assume everyone is an engineer |
| 22:45.55 | TC-Working | ~lazy Elkano |
| 22:46.01 | KriLL3 | I am, thus everyone that is me is. |
| 22:46.02 | Wraanger | :_ |
| 22:46.10 | Kaydeethree | meh. that's why I was glad I was a mage... my hearth was in gadz ever since I was high-level enough to get there safely |
| 22:46.10 | TC-Working | damit purl, you fail |
| 22:46.16 | KriLL3 | tanaris teleporter owns for caverns of time |
| 22:46.26 | KriLL3 | sucks when I'm the only one with it though... still have to wait for one dude |
| 22:46.57 | zenzelezz | at least now you have the meeting stone |
| 22:47.03 | KriLL3 | yeah |
| 22:47.17 | KriLL3 | originally getting to a place was a nightmare |
| 22:47.37 | foxlit | "originally" |
| 22:47.38 | nevcairiel | you had to actually walk, can you believe that? |
| 22:47.38 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 22:47.46 | KriLL3 | the pain! |
| 22:47.57 | foxlit | Like wow, caverns of time were so useful before 2.0! |
| 22:48.07 | zenzelezz | the problem was just how long it could take; for guilds that didn't decide beforehand what to raid it took away a fair portion of time |
| 22:48.18 | nevcairiel | true |
| 22:48.18 | KriLL3 | nevcairiel: btw, I managed to use that command you gave me to make a bartender bar a drop down, one button with the command triggers it, and all emotion macros in that bar got the same command :> |
| 22:48.26 | KriLL3 | thus hitting one of the buttons makes it close again |
| 22:48.30 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 22:48.34 | nevcairiel | nice idea tho |
| 22:48.46 | KriLL3 | works lovely, not in combat though |
| 22:48.55 | KriLL3 | but I don't need emotes in combat, I don't /spit |
| 22:49.11 | zenzelezz | I /dance with bosses |
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| 22:49.27 | zenzelezz | and I tend to /hello and /talk them when I pull |
| 22:49.34 | KriLL3 | nevcairiel: errm, I'm saying that it worked perfectly, I wanted it to be that way :> |
| 22:49.59 | nevcairiel | i know |
| 22:50.00 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 22:50.43 | nevcairiel | i was thinking if it would be possible todo something like that for in-combat as well |
| 22:50.49 | nevcairiel | but i couldnt think of a real solution yet |
| 22:51.00 | zenzelezz | anyone familiar with character transfers and name collisions? |
| 22:51.05 | KriLL3 | only feature I'm missing in bartender atm is the ability to page stuff when you switch to all different druid forms and mounted, paging to an empty bar makes it vanish and it works in combat |
| 22:51.17 | KriLL3 | nevcairiel: page to an empty bar? |
| 22:51.42 | KriLL3 | all my bars but the main one is paged to an empty bar when I switch to cat/bear |
| 22:51.50 | nevcairiel | its invisible, but still clickable |
| 22:51.54 | nevcairiel | but i might fix that |
| 22:51.56 | KriLL3 | thus my consumables and other stuff isn't shown in kitten |
| 22:52.05 | Kaydeethree | >>>90/6 |
| 22:52.06 | Cide | Kaydeethree: 15 |
| 22:52.15 | KriLL3 | I haven't clicked it accidentally yet |
| 22:52.22 | zenzelezz | >>> "hi" |
| 22:52.23 | Cide | zenzelezz: "hi" |
| 22:52.26 | zenzelezz | O_o |
| 22:52.28 | nevcairiel | it wont cast any actions |
| 22:52.39 | nevcairiel | but you simply cannot click-through the empty space where your bars are |
| 22:52.48 | KriLL3 | true |
| 22:52.51 | Cide | should only do it once now |
| 22:52.55 | zenzelezz | >>> "hi" |
| 22:52.56 | Cide | zenzelezz: "hi" |
| 22:53.26 | KriLL3 | sorry for re-saying this, but it's way past what people see and no one replied, so I'm saying it again: |
| 22:53.29 | KriLL3 | how hard would it be to make/modify (with permission, don't heat the iron) an addon with the only function to show a different frame (don't need content) depending on what druid shape you are in? |
| 22:53.44 | KriLL3 | I basically want something to make the parent of my eePanel panels and thus be able to use different sets of panels depending on what shape I'm in (different themes) |
| 22:54.02 | KriLL3 | and remove the backdrops for the bartender bars I hide :> |
| 22:54.26 | nevcairiel | that really shouldnt be too hard |
| 22:54.27 | nevcairiel | i guess |
| 22:54.30 | KriLL3 | nope |
| 22:54.48 | KriLL3 | well, I don't know LUA and the WoW API, so it's quite hard for me |
| 22:54.49 | krka | KriLL3: Lua is not an acronym. |
| 22:54.54 | KriLL3 | .... k |
| 22:55.12 | nevcairiel | i wonder if krka has that scripted somehow |
| 22:55.14 | nevcairiel | LUA |
| 22:55.16 | KriLL3 | he does |
| 22:55.16 | nevcairiel | hmm |
| 22:55.22 | nevcairiel | not auto-response :P |
| 22:55.27 | KriLL3 | might be a timer |
| 22:55.39 | KriLL3 | so you can't make the bot spam itself to being kicked |
| 22:55.39 | zenzelezz | he does |
| 22:55.40 | cog|work | pattern help plz :) I have a string like "ss1,s1,qs1" and one like "s1,ss1," and I want to gsub out the "s1," from each. Can anyone think of a single pattern to do that, or do I have to do something like str:gsub("^s1,",""):gsub(",s1,","") |
| 22:55.43 | zenzelezz | but yes, it it on a timer |
| 22:56.05 | cog|work | (or is there another way i haven't thought of) |
| 22:56.26 | nevcairiel | can s1 be at the end too? |
| 22:56.31 | cog|work | yeah |
| 22:56.39 | cog|work | but it'll always have the comma after it |
| 22:56.43 | nevcairiel | ah |
| 22:57.13 | nevcairiel | cant you just gsub("s1,","") |
| 22:57.18 | cog|work | no |
| 22:57.26 | nevcairiel | oh right |
| 22:57.29 | cog|work | that'll result in "s,q" |
| 22:57.35 | cog|work | err... qs1 |
| 22:57.37 | nevcairiel | yeah |
| 22:57.41 | nevcairiel | i just thought of that |
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| 22:59.04 | cog|work | >>> ("ss1,s1,sq1"):gsub("^.-,?(s1)","") |
| 22:59.05 | Cide | cog|work: ",s1,sq1", 1 |
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| 23:01.07 | KriLL3 | is there a way to ensure that an addon loads before another one? |
| 23:01.28 | cog|work | LoadWith on one or Dependencies on the other |
| 23:01.45 | KriLL3 | ? |
| 23:02.00 | KriLL3 | I'm talking about 2 different addons without any actual connection |
| 23:02.09 | subbawt | isn't that why all those addons have a bunch of !'s in front of their name? |
| 23:02.13 | subbawt | like !!!!!!warmup |
| 23:02.30 | foxlit | zomgone!isn'tenough,musthave5! |
| 23:02.34 | KriLL3 | subbawt: I thought that was meant to make it first in alphabetical lists |
| 23:02.52 | subbawt | Well maybe addons are loaded alphabetically! |
| 23:02.55 | subbawt | (I don't know) |
| 23:02.56 | KriLL3 | can you re-name an addon and thus make it load before another? |
| 23:03.00 | KriLL3 | subbawt: perhaps |
| 23:03.10 | bleeter | foxlit: GIMMEH! |
| 23:03.19 | KriLL3 | energywatch loads after eepanels... and it's after it alphabetically |
| 23:03.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | i think they sometimes don't load alphabetically, if i recall previous conversations in here |
| 23:03.46 | KriLL3 | is there a way to ensure an addon loads before another? |
| 23:03.49 | MentalPower | deps |
| 23:03.56 | KriLL3 | how do you do that? |
| 23:04.06 | MentalPower | addons load alphabetically on windows, but not on mac |
| 23:04.15 | MentalPower | make one addon depend on another |
| 23:04.19 | KriLL3 | I'm on Vista, anti mac. |
| 23:04.40 | bleeter | MentalPower: what's the order on the Mac? Random? |
| 23:04.43 | KriLL3 | MentalPower: so I can rename an addon and thus make it load earlier? |
| 23:04.50 | cog|work | KriLL3: not usually |
| 23:04.54 | MentalPower | bleeter: dunno |
| 23:05.02 | cog|work | well you can, but you have to rename the .toc file too |
| 23:05.03 | KriLL3 | cog|work: then how? |
| 23:05.10 | cog|work | we told you... |
| 23:05.12 | KriLL3 | yeah, didn't mean the folder |
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| 23:05.24 | KriLL3 | I have no idea what a dependency is or how it works |
| 23:05.33 | cog|work | http://www.wowwiki.com/The_TOC_Format |
| 23:05.52 | KriLL3 | ## Dependencies: (incert addon here) ? |
| 23:06.06 | ckknight | yep |
| 23:06.10 | KriLL3 | ty :) |
| 23:06.12 | cog|work | if you give an addon a dependency, the dependency will load 1st |
| 23:06.22 | cog|work | if you give an addon a loadwith, then it will load before the loadwith |
| 23:06.23 | ckknight | bleeter: order on Mac is by date added |
| 23:06.28 | ckknight | bleeter: not necessarily by name |
| 23:06.37 | Peppa | Does anyone have a good link for a SimpleHTML example? |
| 23:06.42 | KriLL3 | is there a reason for a difference? |
| 23:06.48 | bleeter | ckknight: mtime or ctime kinda thing? |
| 23:06.57 | ckknight | something like that |
| 23:07.05 | bleeter | thanks for the tip :) |
| 23:07.05 | cog|work | KriLL3: it gives you a way to set the order regardless of which addon you're developing |
| 23:07.09 | ckknight | point is that it's not by name |
| 23:08.03 | KriLL3 | should I enter the name of the addon the same it is in it's own toc's title field? |
| 23:08.29 | bleeter | I'd suspect the reason for the Mac/Windows difference *might* be in NTFS/HFS+ filename handling |
| 23:08.36 | cog|work | I think it needs to be the name of the folder |
| 23:08.51 | bleeter | erm, in/due to/ |
| 23:09.03 | KriLL3 | "EnergyWatch_v2" |
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| 23:09.54 | KriLL3 | does anyone know of an addon that shows different frames depending on what shape you're currently in? energywatch shows an energy ticker while in cat, need something similar for bear/caster :> |
| 23:10.59 | KriLL3 | cog|work: when I disable energy watch now eepanels says "dependency missing" so yeah you're right, it's the folder name :> |
| 23:11.29 | cog|work | you can also make it an optionaldep if you don't want it to give you that error |
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| 23:12.18 | KriLL3 | well I need both running, so no need. |
| 23:13.57 | KriLL3 | if my frames are "children" (is that the proper term?) of a frame that is the child of UIParent and is scaled 1.0 and my UI is scaled 0.85 will my frames at the same width as my other frames that are cildren of UIParent directly be the same size? |
| 23:14.28 | KriLL3 | sorry if that didn't make sense... |
| 23:15.01 | cog|work | scale propagates down through children |
| 23:15.11 | Corrodias | so the answer should be yes |
| 23:15.16 | KriLL3 | thx |
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| 23:17.04 | N00bZXI | Question: Why doesn't {} == {} |
| 23:17.16 | cog|work | because each one constructs a new table |
| 23:17.44 | KriLL3 | why does objects in wow originate at the bottom left corner, instead of the top right? |
| 23:18.01 | cog|work | KriLL3: because thats how cartesian coordinates work |
| 23:18.02 | ckknight | KriLL3: mathematics |
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| 23:18.28 | KriLL3 | I'm used to flash where it's the opposite |
| 23:18.29 | cog|work | the only reason they start at top-left in graphics is because of how crt monitors were originally designed |
| 23:18.30 | ckknight | what I would've preferred is for 0,0 to be the center, honestly |
| 23:18.39 | MentalPower | N00bZXI: if you need to figure out if a table is empty you can do "if not next({}) then ... end" |
| 23:18.40 | ckknight | *shrug* |
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| 23:19.01 | Corrodias | i wish everything originated from two-thirds to the right of the top |
| 23:19.20 | N00bZXI | MentalPower: Thanks |
| 23:19.53 | MentalPower | >>> return next{} |
| 23:19.54 | Cide | MentalPower: nil |
| 23:20.00 | MentalPower | >>> return next{1} |
| 23:20.01 | Cide | MentalPower: 1, 1 |
| 23:20.06 | KriLL3 | does anyone know of a lightweight addon that shows a frame when you're in caster but not in any other form? trying to figure out a way to make my default panels children of a frame that vanishes outside caster form... |
| 23:20.07 | MentalPower | see |
| 23:20.13 | KriLL3 | something with a seperate mana bar should work |
| 23:20.24 | KriLL3 | but pitbull got 1 frame for all stuff like that, so no luck there |
| 23:20.39 | Corrodias | you're looking for info on how to use secure states changing by stance? |
| 23:20.49 | MentalPower | KriLL3: use the secure state headers |
| 23:21.16 | KriLL3 | Corrodias: I know that Lua isn't an acronym, that is the extent of my knowledge |
| 23:21.52 | KriLL3 | I very much doubt I could make something that works |
| 23:21.53 | MentalPower | we all started somewhere |
| 23:21.53 | KriLL3 | I've heard there are few newb tutorials on this stuff |
| 23:22.14 | MentalPower | look at other people's code, the best tutorial there is |
| 23:22.22 | N00bZXI | ^ truth |
| 23:22.30 | KriLL3 | doesn't that just make me end dismembered? |
| 23:22.50 | KriLL3 | what tools do you use to pull all XML and Lua together? |
| 23:23.02 | MentalPower | Notepad++ and WoW |
| 23:23.17 | N00bZXI | Just get something with syntax highlighting |
| 23:23.18 | KriLL3 | isn't there some official tool or something? |
| 23:23.22 | MentalPower | and the occasional Lua standalone compiler |
| 23:23.24 | KriLL3 | I got Notepad++ |
| 23:23.30 | Kaydeethree | gvim kthx |
| 23:23.38 | N00bZXI | I use scite |
| 23:23.41 | KriLL3 | haven't seen lua in it's syntax settings though |
| 23:23.44 | MentalPower | oh dear, please not this again... |
| 23:23.50 | MentalPower | KriLL3: its there |
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| 23:24.08 | KriLL3 | it is, nice. |
| 23:24.13 | Kaydeethree | at least it's not the "zomg everything should use ace because it's magically better" spat, as usual |
| 23:24.33 | MentalPower | ^^^ agreed |
| 23:24.41 | KriLL3 | Kaydeethree: well isn't it easier to build an addon with ace than without? |
| 23:24.48 | Kaydeethree | I never said that |
| 23:24.48 | N00bZXI | KriLL3: Depends |
| 23:24.50 | foxlit | I don't like the cursor at the block selection / line numbers in Notepad++ |
| 23:25.04 | foxlit | It looks odd, and I've messed up several blocks with collapsing / editing |
| 23:25.16 | Kaydeethree | I'm talking from the end-user perspective. the "because it's ace, it runs better!" garbage |
| 23:25.18 | N00bZXI | I like scite because it's 1 executable |
| 23:25.26 | N00bZXI | and I can put it on a flash drive or similar |
| 23:25.27 | N00bZXI | use it anywhere |
| 23:25.32 | foxlit | Notepad++ looks like a scite derivative tbh |
| 23:25.42 | zenzelezz | for the most part I like Notepad++, but it has some issues |
| 23:25.55 | foxlit | Notepad is the editor of choice, discuss |
| 23:25.55 | zenzelezz | wouldn't say Scite derivative, but they both use Scintilla, don't they? |
| 23:26.03 | MentalPower | they do |
| 23:26.18 | foxlit | They look the same, my point was |
| 23:26.26 | foxlit | And lousy on winxp |
| 23:26.28 | MentalPower | but Notepad++'s Scintilla is sligthly modified |
| 23:26.38 | N00bZXI | Notepad++ and scite both use scintilla |
| 23:26.38 | zenzelezz | they look fine on my XP |
| 23:27.22 | KriLL3 | is there a page somewhere with a good writeup on secure states changing by stance? |
| 23:28.07 | Kaydeethree | the secure state headers sticky in the UI forum or one of iriel's example addons on wowi |
| 23:28.19 | KriLL3 | what UI forum? |
| 23:28.24 | Kaydeethree | wow's |
| 23:28.25 | N00bZXI | KriLL3: What are you trying to accomplish? |
| 23:28.27 | Kaydeethree | and nvm, it got unstickied |
| 23:28.29 | MentalPower | the only UI forum |
| 23:28.42 | KriLL3 | N00bZXI: an addon that shows a frame, different one, depending on what form you're in |
| 23:29.03 | KriLL3 | so you can make it the parent of eePanels content, thus change your panels depending on shape you're in |
| 23:29.06 | N00bZXI | You could probably write that without secure states |
| 23:29.30 | KriLL3 | N00bZXI: I very much doubt I could write it, I haven't done anything remotely like this before |
| 23:30.09 | KriLL3 | but seems this is a novelty concept thus no real interest among the local code wiz' |
| 23:30.55 | KriLL3 | wait a second, is there an addon with frames you can toggle on/off using slash commands? |
| 23:31.21 | N00bZXI | KriLL3: I'm not sure how eePanels works, but you'd make a frame, register the stance change event, and make a script to find what stance you're in and show/hide things |
| 23:31.46 | Kaydeethree | you can enable and disable bars in bongos from the command line |
| 23:31.53 | KriLL3 | N00bZXI: with eePanels you can make a frame the child of another frame and thus it scales/moves/hides when the parent is |
| 23:32.08 | N00bZXI | KriLL3: Well that makes it quite easy. |
| 23:32.25 | KriLL3 | Kaydeethree: can you make "invisible" 1 button bars in bongos? |
| 23:32.32 | Kaydeethree | yup |
| 23:32.51 | Corrodias | what's the point? |
| 23:33.06 | KriLL3 | make those bars the parents of my eePanels |
| 23:33.19 | KriLL3 | and my shapeshift macros to hide/show those bars |
| 23:33.28 | N00bZXI | f=CreateFrame("FRAME") f:RegisterEvent("event') f:SetScript("OnEvent", function() local s=GetShapeShiftForm() if s==1 then <show one frame> elseif s==2 then <show another frame> end end) |
| 23:33.33 | Corrodias | shapeshift MACROS? |
| 23:33.38 | KriLL3 | well duh |
| 23:33.57 | KriLL3 | #showtooltip |
| 23:33.58 | KriLL3 | /dismount |
| 23:34.00 | KriLL3 | /cancelform |
| 23:34.02 | KriLL3 | /cast Dire Bear Form(Shapeshift) |
| 23:34.22 | Corrodias | oh, because you want to drop your current form and shift into another with one keypress? |
| 23:34.26 | Kaydeethree | if you leave auto-dismount enabled you don't even need the dismount line |
| 23:34.29 | KriLL3 | catform is just like that one, except cat... |
| 23:34.34 | N00bZXI | KriLL3: Just make an addon with the above code, find the right event for it, create some placeholder frames, reparent eepanels to them, and edit the script to show/hide them |
| 23:34.37 | N00bZXI | That should be all you need |
| 23:34.37 | KriLL3 | Kaydeethree: I got it off, since it sucks. |
| 23:34.39 | Corrodias | i can imagine what the cat one looks like, thank you |
| 23:34.49 | Kaydeethree | how's that? |
| 23:34.50 | Corrodias | you can't disable the autodismount as far as i can tell, which annoys me |
| 23:34.57 | N00bZXI | Yes you can |
| 23:34.58 | KriLL3 | N00bZXI: I'm 100% noob, I'd need point by point tutorial |
| 23:35.00 | Kaydeethree | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:35.07 | N00bZXI | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:35.14 | Corrodias | ah, that's better |
| 23:35.16 | KriLL3 | Kaydeethree: press a spell on your bar while in the mount, drop to the ground. |
| 23:35.28 | KriLL3 | #showtooltip |
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| 23:35.30 | KriLL3 | /cancelform |
| 23:35.31 | Kaydeethree | so disable it while in flight? there's an option to do that in interface |
| 23:35.32 | KriLL3 | /cast [nostance, swimming] Aquatic Form(Shapeshift); [flyable, nocombat] Swift Flight Form(Shapeshift); |
| 23:35.33 | KriLL3 | /use [nocombat] Reins of the Black War Tiger; |
| 23:35.33 | Wraanger | what event is passed on when unit armor changes ? |
| 23:35.35 | KriLL3 | /cast [nostance, outdoors] Travel Form(Shapeshift); |
| 23:35.36 | KriLL3 | /dismount |
| 23:35.38 | KriLL3 | my pride and joy |
| 23:36.01 | KriLL3 | btw, someone told me shapeshift was redundant, can I remove that? |
| 23:36.11 | Corrodias | well, if that's how you like it, good job getting a macro to do it for you |
| 23:36.32 | KriLL3 | used a macro like that since the game was released, more or less. |
| 23:36.50 | Corrodias | well done |
| 23:36.54 | KriLL3 | didn't want to have seperate buttons for stuff that doesn't need it |
| 23:39.40 | KriLL3 | N00bZXI: couldn't you make me a huge favor and cook it up? :> just make it show 1 frame for caster, 1 for cat, 1 for bear and 1 for travel/flight/swiftflight only showing one frame at a time? :) |
| 23:40.06 | KriLL3 | sorry dunno if that is a 10 min job or a 10 hour job, if it's too much work I wouldn't want to you waste your time with my issues. |
| 23:40.33 | N00bZXI | KriLL3: I'll link pastey with it |
| 23:41.09 | Wraanger | damn ....WoWiki is a huge mess =( |
| 23:41.33 | Corrodias | huge mess? |
| 23:41.37 | KriLL3 | wiki = mess |
| 23:41.48 | bleeter | Wraanger: create an account, /join #wowwiki, help out. problem solved! :P |
| 23:41.48 | Corrodias | wiki = looks normal to me so far |
| 23:41.59 | Corrodias | i see no mass vandalism |
| 23:42.22 | KriLL3 | well it has layers upon layers of redundant/outdated stuff |
| 23:42.28 | Wraanger | try to find info on some event there )) |
| 23:42.32 | Corrodias | once again, you can fix that if you knwo better |
| 23:42.37 | Corrodias | *know better. |
| 23:42.48 | Kaydeethree | then fix it! how do you think I added all of the netherwing questlines? |
| 23:42.50 | Wraanger | i am trying to find what event is fired when unit amount of armor changes ..for like 15 minutes straight |
| 23:43.18 | Corrodias | let's see... |
| 23:43.20 | ckknight | something inventory changed |
| 23:43.28 | KriLL3 | does anyone know the command to show/hide bongo bars? |
| 23:43.38 | Wraanger | nad if it changed due to paladin aura ? |
| 23:43.49 | N00bZXI | KriLL3: Could you shift into caster/bear/cat form, run /print GetShapeshiftForm(), and tell me what it prints for what form? |
| 23:43.51 | Wraanger | BBar:Get(1):Hide() |
| 23:43.58 | Kaydeethree | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:44.06 | N00bZXI | Problem is you can't do that in-combat |
| 23:44.11 | Corrodias | then you're looking for a buff change |
| 23:44.17 | N00bZXI | Which is why secure frames won't really work for what he wants to do |
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| 23:45.48 | KriLL3 | bear 1 cat 3 caster 0 flying 5 travel 4 |
| 23:46.01 | KriLL3 | died when jumping down to water, gimme a sec |
| 23:46.09 | Corrodias | "UNIT_INVENTORY_CHANGED" for changes due to items |
| 23:46.14 | ckknight | that's it |
| 23:46.41 | KriLL3 | 2 in aquatic |
| 23:46.53 | Wraanger | thanks, Corrodias |
| 23:47.00 | KriLL3 | yeah, I do need it in combat :\ |
| 23:47.04 | Corrodias | "PLAYER_AURAS_CHANGED" for if you're getting a buff, or losing one |
| 23:47.16 | KriLL3 | druid forms show as buffs |
| 23:47.47 | Corrodias | ...yes, they do |
| 23:48.06 | Wraanger | thanks. it worked |
| 23:48.15 | Corrodias | i'm not sure states change when you receive a buff, though |
| 23:48.42 | Wraanger | just tryed that ...and it worked ..... switched off pala aura for armor ...and then switched it on |
| 23:48.57 | Wraanger | in both cases number displayed in my frame changed |
| 23:49.04 | Corrodias | great |
| 23:49.08 | Corrodias | re: KriLL3 |
| 23:49.27 | Corrodias | he's trying to make bars change when he shifts, i think. i don't think secure states will look at buffs... |
| 23:49.38 | Corrodias | but i know next to nothing about states |
| 23:49.45 | KriLL3 | no, actually it's just a frame I need to show/hide |
| 23:49.48 | Corrodias | hey, i need to get on the road! have a nice night. |
| 23:49.50 | KriLL3 | any frame |
| 23:50.13 | KriLL3 | since an eePanel set with another frame as parent is shown/hidden when the parent is |
| 23:50.25 | Wraanger | now I onlt need to find the right syntaxes for getting player's Dodge and Crit chances |
| 23:50.34 | KriLL3 | already made a frame show/hide with my energy ticker thingy in catform |
| 23:51.11 | N00bZXI | KriLL3: http://pastey.net/56918 |
| 23:51.38 | N00bZXI | Make an addon with that as the lua file |
| 23:52.10 | N00bZXI | And reparent your frames BearPlaceholderFrame/CatPlaceholderFrame/CasterPlaceholderFrame |
| 23:52.35 | Antiarc|Work | I'm goin' home now! |
| 23:52.40 | Antiarc|Work | And this is totally the wrong window. |
| 23:52.42 | KriLL3 | you don't seem to know the depth of my ignorance, I don't know the first thing to do with that... |
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| 23:53.34 | N00bZXI | KriLL3: Make a text file, rename it with a .lua extension |
| 23:53.43 | KriLL3 | yeah, done that |
| 23:53.52 | N00bZXI | Paste the code from pastey into that |
| 23:54.09 | KriLL3 | already got the code in notepad++ in lua mode and saved |
| 23:55.03 | N00bZXI | Make a folder, and make a .toc file inside it with the same name as the folder |
| 23:55.57 | N00bZXI | Make the .toc file look like this: |
| 23:55.59 | N00bZXI | ## Interface: 20100 |
| 23:56.01 | N00bZXI | ## Title: <insert name of addon here> |
| 23:56.02 | N00bZXI | <lua file mentioned earlier>.lua |
| 23:56.22 | KriLL3 | yeah, ripped the content of another toc and entered my own stuff instead already :> |
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| 23:56.51 | N00bZXI | That should be all you need |
| 23:57.39 | MentalPower | oh and restart WoW so that the game recognizes the new addon and loads it |
| 23:57.56 | KriLL3 | ## OptionalDeps: eePanels ? |
| 23:58.04 | MentalPower | sure |
