| 00:00.26 | Wraanger | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:00.34 | KriLL3 | cu |
| 00:01.16 | KriLL3 | don't I need an XML? |
| 00:01.24 | N00bZXI | No |
| 00:01.58 | N00bZXI | You can create frames with xml |
| 00:02.01 | N00bZXI | Or you can do it with lua |
| 00:02.14 | N00bZXI | The only difference is lua can't make templates |
| 00:02.25 | N00bZXI | And XML can't make frames on-demand |
| 00:03.54 | MentalPower | N00bZXI: you can make templates in Lua |
| 00:04.12 | N00bZXI | MentalPower: How? |
| 00:04.34 | MentalPower | you make a function that creates a frame how you like it, call it as many times as you need to |
| 00:04.35 | DT_ | Make a function that creates your frames |
| 00:04.38 | foxlit | Not proper templates |
| 00:04.40 | foxlit | But okay |
| 00:04.44 | N00bZXI | Or, in other words, how would I specify that the frame is virtual |
| 00:04.44 | KriLL3 | "elseif s==3" what is the syntax for 5 2 or 4? |
| 00:05.00 | zenzelezz | replace the 3 I imagine |
| 00:05.12 | DT_ | You can't make it literally virtual but it's practically the same thing N00bZXI |
| 00:05.14 | N00bZXI | 3 is cat, 1 is bear, 0 is caster |
| 00:05.17 | N00bZXI | according to wowwiki |
| 00:05.21 | KriLL3 | ... 2 4 or 5, not different |
| 00:05.25 | KriLL3 | yeah |
| 00:05.38 | KriLL3 | I'm adding a forth frame for aquatic/travel/flight |
| 00:05.48 | zenzelezz | if (s == 2 or s == 4 or s == 5) then |
| 00:05.50 | KriLL3 | "CreateFrame("FRAME", "TravelPlaceholderFrame", UIParent)" :> |
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| 00:06.02 | N00bZXI | DT_: Difference is you need to make a function to create the frame instead of specifying a template to inherit in CreateFrame |
| 00:06.17 | DT_ | I know, but it's practically the same thing |
| 00:06.22 | DT_ | Different method of achieving the same purpose |
| 00:06.30 | N00bZXI | KriLL3: Replace the else at the end with elseif s==0, and right before the end add else <whatever:show/hide> |
| 00:06.39 | KriLL3 | already did |
| 00:06.41 | N00bZXI | DT_: Yep |
| 00:08.00 | KriLL3 | N00bZXI: http://pastey.net/56921 |
| 00:08.02 | KriLL3 | looks correct? |
| 00:08.24 | N00bZXI | elseif (s == 2 or s == 4 or s == 5) replace with else |
| 00:08.51 | KriLL3 | but then caster isn't recognized |
| 00:08.56 | N00bZXI | Move it around |
| 00:09.26 | N00bZXI | Like this: f:SetScript("OnEvent", function() local s=GetShapeshiftForm() if s==1 then CasterPlaceholderFrame:Hide() TravelPlaceholderFrame:Hide() CatPlaceholderFrame:Hide() BearPlaceholderFrame:Show() elseif s==3 then CatPlaceholderFrame:Show() BearPlaceholderFrame:Hide() TravelPlaceholderFrame:Hide() CasterPlaceholderFrame:Hide() elseif s==0 BearPlaceholderFrame:Hide() TravelPlaceholderFrame:Hide |
| 00:09.28 | N00bZXI | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:10.30 | KriLL3 | http://pastey.net/56922 |
| 00:10.57 | KriLL3 | wait s == 0 |
| 00:11.22 | KriLL3 | and hide on last caster |
| 00:11.24 | N00bZXI | s==0 casterform |
| 00:11.34 | KriLL3 | yes, fixed it |
| 00:11.50 | KriLL3 | http://pastey.net/56923 |
| 00:12.18 | N00bZXI | Should do what you need, it'll use travel if anything strange happens |
| 00:12.27 | KriLL3 | yeah |
| 00:12.35 | KriLL3 | or travel/aquatic/flying |
| 00:14.01 | KriLL3 | these frames it creates aren't gonna be visible, correct? |
| 00:14.40 | zenzelezz | they'll be "visible", but have no graphical elements I imagine |
| 00:15.05 | N00bZXI | Oh |
| 00:15.14 | N00bZXI | CreateFrame("FRAME", "CasterPlaceholderFrame", UIParent) --> CreateFrame("FRAME", "CasterPlaceholderFrame", UIParent) :Hide() |
| 00:15.17 | N00bZXI | Add :Hide() at the end |
| 00:15.17 | KriLL3 | just as long as I can tag eePanels on em |
| 00:15.54 | KriLL3 | so they start hidden, got it |
| 00:17.02 | KriLL3 | success :> |
| 00:17.16 | KriLL3 | bound an eepanel to "CatPlaceholderFrame" and it shows in catform, vanishes in other |
| 00:18.48 | N00bZXI | Krill3: No prob. :) |
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| 00:32.09 | KriLL3 | now I'm getting validation errors... |
| 00:36.33 | KriLL3 | N00bZXI: doesn't seem to work now, "CasterPlaceholderFrame is not a valid frame name" |
| 00:37.11 | N00bZXI | KriLL3: Make sure the addon loads before eePanels |
| 00:37.22 | KriLL3 | it does, and I keep getting the error after load |
| 00:37.36 | N00bZXI | You have optionaldeps set to eepanels, correct? |
| 00:37.57 | KriLL3 | no, eepanels got "my" addon set on optional dep |
| 00:38.07 | N00bZXI | OK, thought you said it was the other way around earlier |
| 00:38.13 | N00bZXI | Does it do the same for other frames? |
| 00:38.18 | KriLL3 | yeah, figured that was wrong |
| 00:38.20 | KriLL3 | yeah |
| 00:38.30 | KriLL3 | and move anything doesn't want to move the frames |
| 00:38.36 | KriLL3 | says they don't exist |
| 00:38.37 | N00bZXI | do /print CasterPlaceholderFrame |
| 00:38.47 | N00bZXI | Does that print nil? |
| 00:38.48 | KriLL3 | (nil) |
| 00:38.50 | KriLL3 | yes |
| 00:38.59 | N00bZXI | Is your addon being loaded? |
| 00:39.10 | KriLL3 | how do I check that? |
| 00:39.12 | N00bZXI | Because the frames are never created some reason |
| 00:39.19 | KriLL3 | It's checked in the addons list |
| 00:39.34 | N00bZXI | Try setting eepanels to have requireddeps for it |
| 00:39.44 | N00bZXI | Temporarely |
| 00:39.46 | KriLL3 | it does |
| 00:40.06 | N00bZXI | Thought you said it was optionaldeps? |
| 00:40.12 | KriLL3 | tried both |
| 00:40.35 | KriLL3 | atm It's required |
| 00:40.36 | N00bZXI | Check the toc file make sure everything spelled correctly |
| 00:41.03 | N00bZXI | BTW WoW won't recognize toc changes until entire game is restarted |
| 00:41.26 | KriLL3 | http://wowi.pastey.net/56926 |
| 00:42.16 | KriLL3 | I tripped it down to interface title notes author and lua now |
| 00:42.19 | KriLL3 | *stripped |
| 00:42.29 | N00bZXI | Leave the .lua there |
| 00:42.33 | N00bZXI | That's probably why it wasn't loading |
| 00:42.43 | KriLL3 | it's in there |
| 00:43.37 | N00bZXI | Are you sure the file is DruidState.toc and not DruidState.toc.txt? |
| 00:43.43 | N00bZXI | Same for .lua file |
| 00:43.57 | KriLL3 | positive on both |
| 00:44.04 | N00bZXI | Try restarting wow |
| 00:44.17 | KriLL3 | are you sure the CreateFrame stuff doesn't need onload or similar? |
| 00:44.24 | KriLL3 | just did, still nil on that command |
| 00:44.26 | N00bZXI | It IS onload |
| 00:44.35 | N00bZXI | a lua file is executed when it's loaded |
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| 00:45.11 | N00bZXI | Try adding ChatFrame1:AddMessage("test") to the very top |
| 00:45.20 | N00bZXI | To see if it's REALLY being loaded |
| 00:45.42 | KriLL3 | requires re-start I take it? or just reloadui? |
| 00:45.53 | N00bZXI | Reloadui |
| 00:46.05 | N00bZXI | Should print 'test' into chatframe |
| 00:46.08 | N00bZXI | If it's being loaded |
| 00:47.18 | KriLL3 | found and error in the start up text |
| 00:47.40 | N00bZXI | Error? |
| 00:48.31 | KriLL3 | "DruidState\DruidState.lua:10: cunction arguments expected near "CatplaceholderFrame" |
| 00:48.58 | KriLL3 | guess I made a typo somewhere |
| 00:49.14 | zenzelezz | did you type that error or copy+paste? |
| 00:49.21 | KriLL3 | type |
| 00:49.25 | sysrage | cunction arguments rock |
| 00:50.03 | zenzelezz | I was going to say something about CatplaceholderFrame vs. CatPlaceholderFrame, but I guess that may not be wrong after all then |
| 00:50.48 | KriLL3 | I can't find the error, can you? http://pastey.net/56929 |
| 00:52.04 | Cide- | >>? http://pastey.net/56929 |
| 00:52.05 | Cide- | Cide-: [string "ChatFrame1:AddMessage("test")..."]:10: function arguments expected near 'CatPlaceholderFrame' |
| 00:52.18 | Cide- | add some linebreaks, jesus christ |
| 00:52.29 | sysrage | wow neat. hadn't seen that function of your script before |
| 00:52.33 | sysrage | that's a badass script cide |
| 00:52.41 | Cide- | yep! |
| 00:52.45 | N00bZXI | <-- |
| 00:52.47 | KriLL3 | linebreaks are ok? |
| 00:53.06 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+v Cide] by ChanServ |
| 00:53.21 | N00bZXI | LOL, some of the code in my addons looks a bit more insane than that |
| 00:53.39 | Cide | well, then you fail :) |
| 00:53.49 | N00bZXI | For example this: l2 = string.gsub(l2, "(Level [%d%?]+)", "|cff"..string.format("%02x%02x%02x", GetDifficultyColor(UnitLevel(unit)).r * 255, GetDifficultyColor(UnitLevel(unit)).g * 255, GetDifficultyColor(UnitLevel(unit)).b * 255).."%1|r"..e[UnitClassification(unit)]) |
| 00:53.58 | Cide | um |
| 00:54.02 | Cide | never thought about, like |
| 00:54.11 | Cide | local difficultyColor = GetDifficultyColor(UnitLevel(unit)) |
| 00:54.12 | KriLL3 | errm, there is no then after the else |
| 00:54.20 | KriLL3 | should there be? |
| 00:54.30 | Cide | local r, g, b = difficultyColor.r, difficultyColor.g, difficultyColor.b |
| 00:54.40 | N00bZXI | Cide: Doesn't really bother me, personally |
| 00:54.47 | Cide | it's bad practice |
| 00:55.02 | Josh_Borke | cide: you're bad practice |
| 00:55.06 | N00bZXI | true, but these are for personal use only |
| 00:55.10 | Cide | so is your mom, Josh_Borke |
| 00:55.16 | KriLL3 | I always format my code in auctionscript/javascipt but I didn't know if linebreaks worked in LUA |
| 00:55.16 | krka | KriLL3: Lua is not an acronym. |
| 00:55.21 | Josh_Borke | ~lart Cide |
| 00:55.21 | purl | gives Cide a "free" copy of Windows and then charges double for "Upgrades" |
| 00:55.24 | KriLL3 | krka: what ever... |
| 00:55.24 | Cide | N00bZXI: yeah, that's the most common reason |
| 00:55.34 | Cide | KriLL3: it really is spelt 'Lua' |
| 00:56.17 | Cide | N00bZXI: and yet, what happens is that I get to go through things like http://pastey.net/56929 |
| 00:56.22 | Cide | even though it was "for personal use" |
| 00:56.29 | Cide | and I want to slit my throat and rip my hair out |
| 00:56.46 | Josh_Borke | bye all |
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| 00:58.05 | N00bZXI | KriLL3: Error spotted |
| 00:58.15 | N00bZXI | TravelPlaceholderFrame:Show --> TravelPlaceholderFrame:Show() |
| 00:58.35 | Cide | would have taken 5 seconds if it was properly broken up |
| 00:58.37 | KriLL3 | ... omg |
| 00:58.46 | N00bZXI | http://pastey.net/56930 |
| 00:58.48 | KriLL3 | Cide: yes I broke it up and saw the line |
| 00:58.58 | KriLL3 | just didn't spot the missing () |
| 00:59.03 | KriLL3 | It's 03:00... |
| 00:59.08 | Cide | 2:59 here |
| 00:59.18 | N00bZXI | Cide: Does that look better? |
| 00:59.27 | Cide | a bit |
| 00:59.31 | Cide | >>? http://pastey.net/56930 |
| 00:59.32 | Cide | Cide: [string "f:SetScript("OnEvent", function() local s=GetShapeshiftForm() ..."]:14: function arguments expected near 'end' |
| 00:59.49 | Cide | TravelPlaceholderFrame:Show |
| 00:59.51 | KriLL3 | same missing () =P |
| 00:59.51 | Cide | TravelPlaceholderFrame:Show() |
| 00:59.55 | N00bZXI | lol |
| 00:59.58 | Cide | that's how fast that went |
| 01:00.04 | KriLL3 | mine: http://pastey.net/56931 |
| 01:00.39 | N00bZXI | Although I do try to make most of my code somewhat readable: http://pastey.net/56932 |
| 01:00.40 | KriLL3 | moved then up a row... |
| 01:00.58 | N00bZXI | I split them so all hidden frames are on one row all shown on another |
| 01:04.52 | KriLL3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:05.29 | N00bZXI | Still getting the problems with eePanels? |
| 01:06.09 | KriLL3 | yes |
| 01:06.11 | KriLL3 | Validation error |
| 01:06.40 | KriLL3 | wait, switched to cat instead of caster and it worked |
| 01:07.02 | KriLL3 | switched back to caster and it worked again |
| 01:07.13 | KriLL3 | guess it just stored the info that that frame wasn't there, or something |
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| 01:11.54 | KriLL3 | ... I forgot the , in the dependencies of eePanel |
| 01:12.13 | KriLL3 | fixed, but now the eePanels refuse to change size... |
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| 01:18.55 | KriLL3 | now I understand, eePanels inherit the scale and position of their parent, out frames have none of that |
| 01:19.17 | KriLL3 | how do I make the frames show at 0 0 and be say 10x10 black squares? |
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| 01:28.08 | N00bZXI | Need to change a few things |
| 01:28.20 | rophy | anyone good with using Blizzard down down menu? |
| 01:28.25 | KriLL3 | I'm copying code from XArt atm |
| 01:28.39 | KriLL3 | dunno if it will work... but I'll try |
| 01:29.17 | Cide | I thought we discussed that yesterday, KriLL3? |
| 01:29.30 | KriLL3 | just using the syntax, not an actual rip |
| 01:29.35 | Cide | certainly |
| 01:29.58 | Cide | so you're copying the code and changing the names? nice job |
| 01:30.06 | KriLL3 | not really |
| 01:30.14 | Cide | correct; not really a nice job |
| 01:30.59 | N00bZXI | http://pastey.net/56934 |
| 01:31.07 | Thunder_Child | woot "Free At Last, Free At Last Thank God Almighty I'm Free At Last." |
| 01:31.24 | KriLL3 | Thunder_Child: ? |
| 01:31.33 | Thunder_Child | today was my last day of work |
| 01:31.51 | KriLL3 | in a couple of weeks |
| 01:34.08 | wobin_ | This is a good thing? =) |
| 01:34.18 | wobin_ | Normally if it's school or something I can understand =P |
| 01:34.25 | wobin_ | But work? Work gives you money! |
| 01:34.27 | Thunder_Child | yes, going back to school |
| 01:34.42 | Thunder_Child | work gives you crap as well |
| 01:34.46 | wobin_ | true |
| 01:34.48 | Thunder_Child | less than school imo |
| 01:34.52 | wobin_ | but the money -can- make up for that |
| 01:34.57 | wobin_ | school can just give the crap |
| 01:35.05 | Thunder_Child | not what i was getting payed |
| 01:35.14 | wobin_ | ps, don't work customer service =) |
| 01:35.17 | Thunder_Child | paid* |
| 01:35.21 | Thunder_Child | neither do i |
| 01:35.28 | Thunder_Child | s/do/did/ |
| 01:35.30 | wobin_ | well that's a good start then =) |
| 01:35.51 | Thunder_Child | though i did work at a telemarketing company |
| 01:36.35 | wobin_ | >< |
| 01:36.54 | Thunder_Child | heh |
| 01:36.57 | wobin_ | Perhaps not customer -service- then =) |
| 01:38.33 | Thunder_Child | :) |
| 01:39.46 | N|Tivoli | N00bZXI why use PLAYER_AURAS_CHANGED over UPDATE_SHAPESHIFT_FORM? |
| 01:40.25 | Thunder_Child | shapeshift is for dru's and arua is for buffs? |
| 01:40.59 | N|Tivoli | i mean for his code he is checking for changes in stances |
| 01:47.37 | KriLL3 | N|Tivoli: changed, thx for the tip |
| 01:47.58 | N|Tivoli | KriLL3 np |
| 01:48.59 | N00bZXI | N|Tivoli: Didn't know that existed. |
| 01:50.05 | KriLL3 | N00bZXI: your code didn't work, but this did: http://pastey.net/56937 |
| 01:52.19 | afk|n00bzxi | Cat/Bear/Travel aren't getting moved/resized/set |
| 01:52.32 | afk|n00bzxi | ...and once again I forget to remove afk |
| 01:52.41 | N00bZXI | change to f=CreateFrame |
| 01:53.15 | KriLL3 | done, first one worked though and no errors |
| 01:53.36 | KriLL3 | and eePanels bound to the first one show/hide depending on what form I'm in |
| 01:54.56 | N00bZXI | Does anyone here by any chance know how to convert a .dds image into a .pcx? |
| 01:55.35 | KriLL3 | eePanels really need an option to copy a panel... |
| 01:58.29 | KriLL3 | how do I make it check once on start which form I'm in and shows the corresponding frame? |
| 01:58.49 | KriLL3 | now on start all 4 frames are hidden, thus all my eePanels are hidden =P |
| 01:59.10 | N00bZXI | run the script on startup |
| 01:59.28 | KriLL3 | how do I do that? |
| 02:01.16 | KriLL3 | coppy the stuff bellow the creation of the frames and put ONLOAD instead of UPDATE_SHAPESHIFT_FORM in f:RegisterEvent ? |
| 02:02.00 | N00bZXI | No, just paste everything from function() to end at the end of the file (remove function() and the last end) |
| 02:02.05 | N00bZXI | And then it runs onload |
| 02:03.58 | KriLL3 | local s=GetShapeshiftForm() first row |
| 02:04.02 | KriLL3 | and end last one |
| 02:04.29 | KriLL3 | yeah works |
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| 02:24.31 | KriLL3 | now why is all stuff that is the child of any other frame than caster slightly smaller... |
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| 02:36.34 | Thunder_Child | hmm...blizzcon tickets sold our already....hehe, took 2 days |
| 02:36.55 | Xenoclaws1 | hello, anyone care to help me with some lua code? |
| 02:36.56 | Thunder_Child | s/our/out/ |
| 02:37.04 | Thunder_Child | dont ask to ask, just ask |
| 02:37.56 | Xenoclaws1 | need help with: local x = math.random(1, 2); |
| 02:37.56 | Xenoclaws1 | if(x==2) then |
| 02:37.56 | Xenoclaws1 | PlaySoundFile("Interface\\AddOns\\ClearcastWatcher\\click.wav')"; |
| 02:37.56 | Xenoclaws1 | elseif PlaySoundFile("Interface\\AddOns\\ClearcastWatcher\\click.wav')"; |
| 02:38.43 | Thunder_Child | whats the issue? |
| 02:39.52 | mikma | the last line propably |
| 02:39.52 | Xenoclaws1 | ok what i am attempting to do is modify an existing addon to play a random sound file when my character gains clearcasting |
| 02:40.12 | mikma | elseif needs arguments in it |
| 02:40.37 | mikma | you might want to use if (something) then PlaySoundFile else PlaySoundFile end ? |
| 02:41.27 | Xenoclaws1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:41.27 | Xenoclaws1 | PlaySoundFile("Interface\\AddOns\\ClearcastWatcher\\click.wav')"; |
| 02:41.27 | Xenoclaws1 | else(PlaySoundFile("Interface\\AddOns\\ClearcastWatcher\\DMFD.wav')"; |
| 02:41.28 | Xenoclaws1 | ? |
| 02:41.41 | Thunder_Child | end maybe? |
| 02:41.52 | mikma | no, else PlaySoundFile("Interface\\AddOns\\ClearcastWatcher\\DMFD.wav') end |
| 02:42.07 | Xenoclaws1 | no thers more to the function after that... thats just the trouble spot |
| 02:43.01 | KriLL3 | nevcairiel: can you page bartender bars using commands? |
| 02:55.57 | Garoun | Badget of Tenacity + Moroes Lucky Pocketwatch= <3 for tank druid ;) |
| 02:56.18 | Thrae | Garoun: Depleted Badge |
| 02:56.34 | Garoun | Badge of Tenacity = Depleted badge :P |
| 02:57.14 | Thrae | Oh, right |
| 02:58.26 | KriLL3 | what site is this channel associated with, forgot... |
| 03:00.34 | Thunder_Child | www.wowinterface.com |
| 03:01.27 | Garoun | I hit 56.32% dodge with both of those trinkets fired |
| 03:02.33 | KriLL3 | druids should get some rage when we dodge |
| 03:02.53 | KriLL3 | if you dodge too often you end up having no rage what so ever |
| 03:03.05 | Garoun | rage is no issue in Raid |
| 03:04.53 | KriLL3 | N00bZXI: http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/2351/wowscrnshot061607045556mt1.jpg http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/4753/wowscrnshot061607045542vu2.jpg http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/5423/wowscrnshot061607045536dh6.jpg http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/919/wowscrnshot061607045533ap9.jpg |
| 03:04.54 | KriLL3 | :) |
| 03:05.24 | KriLL3 | that's ofc not how it's gonna look when done, but it gives you an idea |
| 03:05.51 | Xenoclaws1 | is local x = math.random(1, 2); |
| 03:05.51 | Xenoclaws1 | if(x==2) then |
| 03:05.55 | Xenoclaws1 | correct? |
| 03:06.55 | N|Tivoli | yeah |
| 03:08.19 | Xenoclaws1 | an it will return a value of 1 or 2? or is 0 possible? |
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| 03:09.41 | ckknight | Xenoclaws1: 1 or 2 |
| 03:10.24 | Xenoclaws1 | ok thank you |
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| 03:18.16 | Xenoclaws1 | any one care to help me debug some lua? |
| 03:18.51 | Xenoclaws1 | function ClearcastWatcher:CHAT_MSG_SPELL_PERIODIC_SELF_BUFFS() |
| 03:18.51 | Xenoclaws1 | -- Parse event to see if you gain clearcasting. |
| 03:18.51 | Xenoclaws1 | if(arg1=="You gain Clearcasting.") then |
| 03:18.51 | Xenoclaws1 | local x = math.random(1, 2); |
| 03:18.51 | Xenoclaws1 | if(x==2) then |
| 03:18.52 | Xenoclaws1 | PlaySoundFile("Interface\\AddOns\\ClearcastWatcher\\click.wav')"; |
| 03:18.54 | Xenoclaws1 | else PlaySoundFile("Interface\\AddOns\\ClearcastWatcher\\DMFD.wav'); |
| 03:18.55 | Legorol | ugh |
| 03:18.56 | Xenoclaws1 | end |
| 03:18.58 | Xenoclaws1 | if(PlayerClass == "PRIEST") then |
| 03:18.58 | Legorol | pastey please |
| 03:19.00 | Xenoclaws1 | self:RegisterCandyBar("Clearcasting", 15, "Clearcasting", "Interface\\Icons\\Spell_Holy_Fanaticism", "green", "red") |
| 03:19.02 | Legorol | wowi.pastey.net |
| 03:19.03 | Xenoclaws1 | elseif(PlayerClass == "MAGE") then |
| 03:19.05 | Xenoclaws1 | self:RegisterCandyBar("Clearcasting", 15, "Clearcasting", "Interface\\Icons\\Spell_Frost_ManaBurn", "green", "red"); |
| 03:19.08 | Xenoclaws1 | end |
| 03:19.09 | |Jelly| | Paste Code Here: http://wowi.pastey.net |
| 03:19.09 | Legorol | please stop pasting it here |
| 03:19.10 | Xenoclaws1 | self:RegisterCandyBarWithGroup("Clearcasting", "ClearcastWatcher_CandyBarGroup"); |
| 03:19.12 | Xenoclaws1 | self:StartCandyBar("Clearcasting"); |
| 03:19.14 | Xenoclaws1 | end |
| 03:19.16 | Xenoclaws1 | end |
| 03:19.17 | Legorol | Xenoclaws1: hold your horse |
| 03:19.30 | Xenoclaws1 | appolgies... |
| 03:19.34 | Legorol | lol np |
| 03:19.42 | Legorol | it's just unreadable :D |
| 03:21.03 | Legorol | so did you paste it on pastey? |
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| 03:22.23 | KriLL3 | what do I add to the .lua to make it return some simple instructions when doing the right / command ? |
| 03:22.34 | Legorol | Xenoclaws1: on first read, that Lua code is syntactically correct |
| 03:22.43 | Legorol | nor does it contain any obvious logic errors |
| 03:22.46 | Iriel | KriLL3: DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage("Food pellet") |
| 03:22.49 | Legorol | so what's exactly the problem with it? |
| 03:22.51 | mikma | KriLL3: well, ChatFrame1:AddMessage("moo") |
| 03:22.58 | KriLL3 | yeah I know that part |
| 03:23.02 | Xenoclaws1 | http://wowi.pastey.net/56942 |
| 03:23.03 | KriLL3 | don't know / part |
| 03:23.14 | Legorol | what does "return a simple instruction" mean? |
| 03:23.28 | KriLL3 | instructions |
| 03:23.36 | mikma | KriLL3: SlashCmdList["MIKMALEAVEPARTY"] = LeaveParty |
| 03:23.38 | KriLL3 | aka this a how to use the addon |
| 03:23.39 | Legorol | but what do you mean by "returning" it |
| 03:23.46 | mikma | KriLL3: SLASH_MIKMALEAVEPARTY1 = "/pleave" |
| 03:23.51 | Legorol | do you mean print it or display it on the screen? |
| 03:23.59 | KriLL3 | print |
| 03:24.04 | Legorol | ok |
| 03:24.14 | KriLL3 | mikma: errm. I want a custom slash command |
| 03:24.21 | Legorol | now that i got your question clarified... i will let the others who understood it on first reading answer it :o) |
| 03:24.25 | mikma | ok then i don't know what you want |
| 03:25.08 | KriLL3 | most addons got a / command |
| 03:25.08 | KriLL3 | I want one on my addon |
| 03:25.08 | Legorol | that's what mika demonstrated |
| 03:25.08 | Legorol | how to make one for your own addon |
| 03:25.11 | KriLL3 | that was some leave party stuff |
| 03:25.21 | Legorol | that was an example |
| 03:25.31 | Legorol | SlashCmdList["KRILL3SOWNSLASH"] = KrillsHandlerFunction; |
| 03:25.46 | Legorol | SLASH_KRILL3SOWNSLASH1 = "/krillcommand" |
| 03:25.55 | mikma | KriLL3: ok let's do it like this then: SlashCmdList["OMGLOL"] = function() myfunc() end |
| 03:25.57 | Legorol | function KrillsHandlerFunction() |
| 03:26.01 | Legorol | -- blah blah |
| 03:26.01 | Legorol | end |
| 03:26.13 | mikma | hen what Legorol said |
| 03:26.34 | Legorol | caveat: you have to define the KrillsHandlerFunction before the line |
| 03:26.38 | Legorol | SlashCmdList["KRILL3SOWNSLASH"] = KrillsHandlerFunction; |
| 03:27.06 | Xenoclaws1 | Legorol :http://wowi.pastey.net/56942 I is attempting to play one of 2 .wav files on recieving of the buff"Clearcasting" I can make it work to play one .wav file but when i attempted to implemt the math.random it will not work |
| 03:28.13 | KriLL3 | can you have more than one / do the same thing? like the full name of the addon and it's acronym? |
| 03:28.23 | Legorol | Xenoclaws1: i understood that much from the code |
| 03:29.40 | Xenoclaws1 | Legorol: Now when I test absoulutly nothing happens... it's as if the addon isnt loaded in memory... |
| 03:29.43 | mikma | Xenoclaws1: well, umm... |
| 03:29.52 | mikma | Xenoclaws1: i tested this and it works perfectly: /script local x = math.random(1, 2) if x==2 then message("lol") else message(":(") end |
| 03:29.57 | Legorol | Xenoclaws1: the part you pasted does do what you say |
| 03:30.02 | Legorol | i see no error in it |
| 03:30.09 | Legorol | if it does absolutely nothing, the error is elsewhere |
| 03:30.19 | Xenoclaws1 | argh |
| 03:30.22 | Legorol | also, i have no idea waht self:RegisterCandyBar and the other self methods do |
| 03:30.31 | mikma | Xenoclaws1: have you registered the event in the code? |
| 03:30.44 | KriLL3 | Legorol: http://wowi.pastey.net/56943 no worky |
| 03:30.44 | Xenoclaws1 | i dont either... im just trying to modify a prewritten mod |
| 03:31.06 | Legorol | are you sure that ClearcastWatcher:CHAT_MSG_SPELL_PERIODIC_SELF_BUFFS is even getting called? |
| 03:31.14 | Legorol | start by investigating that |
| 03:31.24 | Legorol | e.g. add a debug print statement at the start of the function |
| 03:31.31 | mikma | or, pastey the whole code |
| 03:31.36 | Legorol | nooooo |
| 03:31.39 | Legorol | never paste whole code |
| 03:31.44 | Legorol | do some research and testing ;-) |
| 03:31.48 | mikma | heh |
| 03:31.54 | mikma | well ok Legorol is right |
| 03:31.56 | Legorol | pasting your entire code and asking people to "find error" is bad form |
| 03:32.01 | KriLL3 | SlashCmdList["KRILL3SOWNSLASH"] = KrillsHandlerFunction; |
| 03:32.03 | KriLL3 | SLASH_KRILL3SOWNSLASH1 = "/krillcommand" |
| 03:32.05 | KriLL3 | function KrillsHandlerFunction() |
| 03:32.06 | KriLL3 | ChatFrame1:AddMessage("omgomgomg") |
| 03:32.07 | KriLL3 | end |
| 03:32.09 | KriLL3 | does nothing |
| 03:32.14 | Legorol | KriLL3: you didnt' read the caveat |
| 03:32.25 | KriLL3 | what is a caveat? |
| 03:32.27 | mikma | KriLL3: = function() KrillsHandlerFunction() end |
| 03:32.27 | Legorol | let me quote it for you |
| 03:32.28 | Legorol | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:32.37 | Legorol | <Legorol> SlashCmdList["KRILL3SOWNSLASH"] = KrillsHandlerFunction; |
| 03:32.44 | Legorol | you didn't read that did you ;-) |
| 03:32.52 | Thrae | There's an error somewhere in here, can you find it? I'll give you a hint -- it's bigger then a breadbox. |
| 03:33.07 | mikma | ~lart Thrae |
| 03:33.07 | purl | chops Thrae in half with a free Solaris 7 CD |
| 03:33.09 | DT_ | I thought that was only if the function is local Leg |
| 03:33.10 | KriLL3 | Legorol: I did, but I didn't understand it |
| 03:33.13 | KriLL3 | still don't |
| 03:33.18 | Legorol | then say so ;-) |
| 03:33.21 | Legorol | rephrase: |
| 03:33.23 | Xenoclaws1 | I was when i just had http://wowi.pastey.net/56944 |
| 03:33.25 | Legorol | you have to reorder things |
| 03:33.38 | Legorol | put the function KrillsHandlerFunction() etc. stuff first |
| 03:33.43 | Legorol | then the SlashCmdList["KRILL3SOWNSLASH"] = KrillsHandlerFunction; |
| 03:33.45 | KriLL3 | ok |
| 03:33.47 | Legorol | SLASH_KRILL3SOWNSLASH1 = "/krillcommand" |
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| 03:34.06 | Thrae | KriLL3: WoWWiki has templates for making simple addons. You should read their documentation. |
| 03:34.21 | Legorol | btw, next time, please if you don't understand something that's said to you, please say so! |
| 03:34.22 | mikma | or better yet |
| 03:34.29 | Legorol | i don't mind explaining it twice, three times, 10 times |
| 03:34.30 | mikma | copypaste cladhaire's code, that's what we all do ;) |
| 03:34.40 | Legorol | but i don't like it when someone nods and silently doens't understand |
| 03:34.50 | mikma | Legorol: what'cha talking 'bout willis? |
| 03:35.10 | Legorol | when i say something, don't just be quiet if you don't get it and pretend that you didn't read it |
| 03:35.15 | Legorol | that's what i'm on about mikma |
| 03:35.21 | mikma | ah-ha, *nods* |
| 03:35.32 | KriLL3 | Legorol: "/krillcommand" is the thing to enter ingame, correct? |
| 03:35.41 | Legorol | yes |
| 03:35.47 | KriLL3 | "type /help ...." |
| 03:36.01 | KriLL3 | function KrillsHandlerFunction() |
| 03:36.02 | Legorol | uh what? |
| 03:36.03 | KriLL3 | SlashCmdList["KRILL3SOWNSLASH"] = KrillsHandlerFunction; |
| 03:36.04 | KriLL3 | SLASH_KRILL3SOWNSLASH1 = "/krillcommand" |
| 03:36.06 | KriLL3 | ChatFrame1:AddMessage("omgomgomg") |
| 03:36.08 | KriLL3 | end |
| 03:36.11 | Legorol | noooo |
| 03:36.13 | mikma | no |
| 03:36.13 | Legorol | *sigh* |
| 03:36.25 | mikma | function foo() something end |
| 03:36.38 | KriLL3 | foo? |
| 03:36.45 | Legorol | function KrillsHandlerFunction() |
| 03:36.45 | Legorol | ChatFrame1:AddMessage("omgomgomg") |
| 03:36.45 | Legorol | end |
| 03:36.45 | Legorol | SlashCmdList["KRILL3SOWNSLASH"] = KrillsHandlerFunction; |
| 03:36.45 | Legorol | SLASH_KRILL3SOWNSLASH1 = "/krillcommand" |
| 03:36.45 | mikma | err |
| 03:38.07 | mikma | purl: you blow |
| 03:38.24 | mikma | purl: dance |
| 03:38.25 | purl | Sir! Too much booty in the pants, sir! |
| 03:38.27 | KriLL3 | odd, when the code was written by someone that didn't start writing Lua today it worked. |
| 03:38.40 | mikma | very |
| 03:38.53 | KriLL3 | now, how do I add pretty colours? |
| 03:39.00 | mikma | KriLL3: trust me, Legorol copypasted that from cladhaire |
| 03:39.47 | Thrae | KriLL3: |cFFXXXXXXstring|r, where XXXXXX is the color in hexadecimal format (RGB) |
| 03:39.57 | KriLL3 | ty |
| 03:39.57 | mikma | Thrae: "what?" |
| 03:40.24 | mikma | Thrae: (line) "in the butt!" |
| 03:40.51 | Thrae | mikma, go code something. |
| 03:41.06 | Thrae | I'm eating dinner, so I have an excuse ;) |
| 03:41.27 | mikma | Thrae: i'm hungry and sleepy. also, i'm in the bed atm :P |
| 03:41.29 | KriLL3 | I'm watching the sunrise |
| 03:41.40 | Thrae | I'm in bed too, get a laptop! |
| 03:41.55 | mikma | Thrae: got it :D that's why i'm in the bed |
| 03:41.55 | Thrae | Wait, you're probably already using a laptop...so code! |
| 03:42.00 | KriLL3 | laptop is a bad idea if you ever plan on spawning... =P |
| 03:42.13 | mikma | Thrae: but, but, that requires me to open a new terminal and type stuff in there |
| 03:42.17 | Thrae | I use a notebook cooler, and lay it on my stomach anyway... |
| 03:42.22 | Thrae | mikma: Dual screens! |
| 03:42.36 | mikma | Thrae: dual screen laptop. that sounds kinky |
| 03:42.52 | KriLL3 | saw a tripple screen laptop, folded out 2 screens from the main one |
| 03:42.54 | Thrae | mikma: Uhh, just use the D-SUB Out (VGA out) port on your laptop |
| 03:43.03 | mikma | Thrae: this is mac, fool! |
| 03:43.05 | KriLL3 | all portable |
| 03:43.06 | Thrae | Connect it to a cheap LCD like I have |
| 03:43.14 | Thrae | Macs don't use VGA connections? I think they do |
| 03:43.30 | Shirik | 232:402:20 12‹Thrae12› KriLL3: |cFFXXXXXXstring|r, where XXXXXX is the color in hexadecimal format (RGB) |
| 03:43.31 | mikma | they have some superduper adaptor that i lost already |
| 03:43.34 | Shirik | oh |
| 03:43.36 | Shirik | I misread |
| 03:43.39 | Shirik | nm I never quoted that >< |
| 03:43.49 | Thrae | mikma: Buy another one! |
| 03:43.50 | mikma | Shirik: you read "g-strings" didn't you? |
| 03:43.55 | mikma | Thrae: GIEF MONEY! |
| 03:43.55 | Shirik | ya exactly |
| 03:44.01 | Thrae | Get a job! |
| 03:44.10 | mikma | Thrae: GIEF JOB! |
| 03:44.19 | Thrae | Fly to Maryland, US! |
| 03:44.21 | Shirik | CAN HAS JOB? |
| 03:44.38 | Shirik | LOL JOB R "Janitor" |
| 03:44.48 | Shirik | VISIBLE "You gots " N JOB |
| 03:44.52 | mikma | Thrae: is that in the middle part of US, the one that voted Bush? |
| 03:44.53 | Shirik | KTHX |
| 03:45.07 | Thrae | mikma: I don't think Maryland is a Red state, it's more neutral |
| 03:45.15 | Shirik | nah |
| 03:45.19 | Shirik | Maryland is pretty blue |
| 03:45.26 | Shirik | Just as northern virginia is |
| 03:45.29 | Legorol | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:45.35 | Shirik | unfortunately we're completely overridden by the moronic portion of VA |
| 03:45.37 | Legorol | is this suggesting that cladhaire's example was noobish? |
| 03:45.45 | Thrae | Well we had a Republican Governor last time, now a Democractic Governor...who sucks |
| 03:45.49 | Legorol | trust me, cladhaire didn't start writing Lua today either ;-) |
| 03:46.01 | Thrae | s/Democractic/Democratic/ |
| 03:46.03 | cladhaire | lol |
| 03:46.05 | Legorol | and yes, i just copy pasted it and replaced a few words so you can understand it better |
| 03:46.22 | mikma | cladhaire is a total noob when it comes to coding addons, right? |
| 03:46.28 | Legorol | right |
| 03:46.33 | Legorol | but he didn't start it today |
| 03:46.40 | Legorol | he's been a big noob since.. whenever |
| 03:46.43 | mikma | he'll start it tomorrow |
| 03:46.48 | Legorol | ah right |
| 03:46.54 | Legorol | and we have a timetravel circle somewhere? |
| 03:47.22 | mikma | cladhaire writes code without knowing anything about it, he's the son of Chuck Norris |
| 03:47.38 | DT_ | Cladhaire can divide by zero |
| 03:47.46 | mikma | oh shi... |
| 03:47.48 | Thrae | lua> 1/0 |
| 03:49.15 | batrick | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:49.24 | batrick | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:50.24 | cladhaire | the bot only responds in PMs from this channel |
| 03:50.33 | cladhaire | haven't worked out a good way to do it without letting people spam the channel |
| 03:51.05 | Thrae | cladhaire: You could add respectable people into a whitelist. |
| 03:51.14 | cladhaire | Thrae: this is true |
| 03:51.17 | Thrae | Which probably wouldn't include me, but I'm trying to compromise. |
| 03:51.24 | Legorol | cladhaire: add me plx! i'm respeccable |
| 03:51.25 | KriLL3 | spam spam spam spam spam with eggs? |
| 03:51.41 | cladhaire | you can all join #luabot |
| 03:51.44 | cladhaire | it is spammable in there :P |
| 03:51.46 | cladhaire | quite fun, actually |
| 03:52.01 | Tain | Will there be ice cream? |
| 03:52.09 | cladhaire | no, but there will be punch and pie |
| 03:52.13 | KriLL3 | as much as you can bring |
| 03:52.16 | DT_ | Can't someone just lua> while true do end |
| 03:52.45 | Thrae | DT_: It catches that. |
| 03:52.50 | DT_ | Ah |
| 03:53.27 | Thrae | lua> while true do print("I am going crazy") end |
| 03:53.46 | Thrae | Thrae:lua> maximum execution time (5s) exceeded |
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| 04:08.39 | KriLL3 | can a frame be 0x0 pixels big without tearing the space-time continuum to shreds? |
| 04:09.16 | mikma | try, we'll know if the universe don't explode |
| 04:09.33 | mikma | don't, doesn't, umm |
| 04:09.37 | KriLL3 | and you will know if it does |
| 04:09.56 | mikma | i quote myself: <mikma> oh shi... |
| 04:10.14 | Thunder_Child | well in theory a dot cant frame anything |
| 04:10.41 | KriLL3 | my UI imploded, guess 0x0 doesn't work |
| 04:11.07 | mikma | http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/5/56/Divide_by_zero.gif |
| 04:11.27 | KriLL3 | encyclopediadramatica is racist :< |
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| 04:14.41 | Thrae | "A Rogue's small Dagger surprises you from behind! What will you do?" >> Turn around, point, and laugh at it. "This is not a valid command." |
| 04:15.08 | KriLL3 | Thrae: how would I notice it? |
| 04:15.38 | Thrae | KriLL3: It's a reference to text adventure games -- long before your time. |
| 04:16.05 | KriLL3 | monkey island isn't that far from that |
| 04:16.20 | KriLL3 | and I mean the first one, on DOS |
| 04:17.39 | KriLL3 | cladhaire: btw I've written my first addon with some *cough*minor*cough* help from guys in here, it displays different named frames outside the game UI depending on what form you're currently in. :) |
| 04:17.58 | KriLL3 | made said frames the parents of my eePanels |
| 04:17.59 | cladhaire | nice |
| 04:18.00 | cladhaire | grats! |
| 04:18.03 | KriLL3 | ty |
| 04:18.23 | KriLL3 | "This addon is licensed under Creative Commons Attribution Non-commercial (by-nc) 3.0 License Some Rights Reserved" =P |
| 04:20.08 | cladhaire | nice and unrestrictive, a good choice |
| 04:20.43 | KriLL3 | only restrictions are non-commercial and to give me credit if you use parts of it + notify me about it |
| 04:21.41 | KriLL3 | some other variations of CC requires anything done with parts of your stuff in it to be licensed the exact same way the original was, seems to restrictive |
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| 04:21.57 | KriLL3 | *too |
| 04:21.58 | cladhaire | Yes, I understand CC |
| 04:22.05 | cladhaire | i dont like the non-commercial clause, personally |
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| 04:23.04 | KriLL3 | well the commercial part isn't a dead end, you can still sell it but only with the permission of the author |
| 04:23.08 | Wraanger | heyaz |
| 04:23.26 | KriLL3 | it's to prevent people from running of with your stuff and sell it without giving you a share |
| 04:23.31 | Thrae | "This Code Is Licensed Under Whatever The Hell Cladhaire Is Using These Days" |
| 04:23.48 | Kaydeethree | meh. I'll just stick with gplv2 |
| 04:23.48 | KriLL3 | GPL |
| 04:23.49 | cladhaire | Thrae: I've always only used New BSD |
| 04:23.55 | cladhaire | or MIT |
| 04:23.58 | cladhaire | depending on what i'm writing. |
| 04:24.00 | Wraanger | quesion ..... what is correct syntaxes for vDIStr:SetText("|cffffdd00"..ap\narm\ndef) ? all I need is to set text for 3 variables in 3 lines |
| 04:24.16 | Thrae | We need a Stub which automatically updates licensing! |
| 04:24.16 | Wraanger | names of vars are ap, arm, def |
| 04:24.27 | Thrae | A Stub so powerful, it changes comments! |
| 04:25.41 | Thrae | Wraanger: Three lines would normally have three different font strings, or you can seperate them with '\n' |
| 04:26.08 | DT_ | The \n has to be quoted |
| 04:26.15 | Wraanger | ahh |
| 04:26.23 | DT_ | :SetText("|cffffdd00"..ap.."\n"..arm.."\n"..def) |
| 04:26.44 | Thrae | Wraanger: Is this a GameTooltip or inherit of GameTooltipTemplate? |
| 04:26.56 | KriLL3 | cladhaire: here is the code btw :) http://wowi.pastey.net/56947 |
| 04:27.43 | Thrae | Or I should say, is this a GameTooltip object? (GameTooltip is a GameTooltip object, but so are other tooltips) |
| 04:27.56 | Wraanger | just a frame |
| 04:28.04 | Thrae | Ah |
| 04:28.59 | Wraanger | and now it gives error "attempting to call local "arm"( a bumber value ) ... =/ |
| 04:29.10 | Wraanger | number* |
| 04:29.53 | Wraanger | worked ...forgot to type in one dot |
| 04:30.09 | KriLL3 | always something like that |
| 04:30.20 | Thrae | I hate it when my values are bummers. |
| 04:30.24 | KriLL3 | I forgot one set of () and it all came crashing down |
| 04:31.09 | DT_ | Those are the best types of mistakes though :) |
| 04:31.30 | KriLL3 | DT_: not 4:00 in the morning |
| 04:31.32 | KriLL3 | hard to spot |
| 04:31.46 | DT_ | Still easier to spot than a logical error |
| 04:32.16 | Mike-N-Go_ | How do I say an item link in chat promrammatically? I have tried /run SendChatMessage("|cff9d9d9d|Hitem:7073:0:0:0:0:0:0:0|h[Broken Fang]|h|r") that yeilds >> |cff9d9d9d|Hitem:7073:0:0:0:0:0:0:0|h[Broken Fang]|h|r |
| 04:32.16 | KriLL3 | is there a way to page bartender bars using slash commands? |
| 04:32.37 | DT_ | Replace all the | with \124 |
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| 04:33.06 | Thrae | Mike-N-Go_: Private channels or just public chat? |
| 04:33.08 | KriLL3 | all extraneus bartnder bars now vanish in cat/bear but flight/travel/aquatic still got all bars :( |
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| 04:36.14 | Mike-N-Go_ | The goal is to have an emote that says " tosses you a [Heavy Leather Ball]" |
| 04:36.26 | DT_ | Did the \124 thing work? |
| 04:36.27 | KriLL3 | EVIL |
| 04:36.45 | Mike-N-Go_ | Ahh, escape the pipes, allow me to do that. |
| 04:36.58 | Mike-N-Go_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:37.02 | Mike-N-Go_ | ? |
| 04:37.05 | DT_ | Yes |
| 04:38.27 | Mike-N-Go_ | I have not done enough of this, yet I now recollect that it is best to escape pipes when doing macros, thanks. |
| 04:39.20 | Mike-N-Go_ | Pipes escape works, thanks. |
| 04:39.54 | KriLL3 | what happens if 2 addons share the same / command? tug of war? |
| 04:40.06 | Iriel | Last one in wins |
| 04:40.08 | Iriel | generally |
| 04:40.09 | DT_ | Whichever loaded second will win |
| 04:42.02 | KriLL3 | so you can make an addon named ZZZZxxxxx and make it take the whole list of / commands? nice |
| 04:45.46 | Mike-N-Go_ | KriLL3: Users would most likely boycott you, you would lose standing. |
| 04:45.56 | KriLL3 | U SHUR? |
| 04:46.52 | Antiarc|Working | People tend to not run addons that don't play nice with their normal setup |
| 04:49.39 | KriLL3 | anyone know of a good rep bar that is free floating? Pitbull can only place one among your HP/Mana stuff, not where I want it. |
| 04:50.24 | clad|sleep | wdnstatusbars afaik |
| 04:50.27 | clad|sleep | beladona on wowintercface |
| 04:50.33 | Mike-N-Go_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:50.34 | Mike-N-Go_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:50.57 | Mike-N-Go_ | It worked a moment ago.. |
| 04:51.03 | DT_ | Don't do %T inside SendChatMessage |
| 04:51.19 | DT_ | You need to change it to " tosses "..UnitName("target").." \124cffff ..." |
| 04:51.55 | Mike-N-Go_ | Ok, I'll use UnitName(), but that takes up so much more space =/ |
| 04:52.29 | Kemayo | KriLL3: XPBarNone does that, too. |
| 04:52.36 | DT_ | There's no other way to do it, and you're not that close to hitting the 255 limit anyway |
| 04:54.01 | KriLL3 | Kemayo: ty |
| 04:54.03 | Mike-N-Go_ | Is there any way to make the length longer, for macro size? |
| 04:54.12 | KriLL3 | Mike-N-Go_: supermacro |
| 04:54.20 | KriLL3 | it doesn't play nice always though |
| 04:54.44 | Shirik|Fooding | 002:512:07 12‹Mike-N-Go_12› SendChatMessage(): Invalid escape code in chat message |
| 04:54.50 | Wraanger | good ..now it worked as I want it to |
| 04:54.52 | Shirik|Fooding | that error only comes from the Blizzard API |
| 04:54.54 | Shirik|Fooding | so |
| 04:55.03 | KriLL3 | I had to use in the past before blizzard replaced canceling individual forms with /cancelform |
| 04:55.07 | Shirik|Fooding | I agree with what DT_ said |
| 04:56.19 | DT_ | Mike-N-Go_, you can also create a secure button and set it's macrotext attribute, which I think can be arbitrarily long, but I'm not positive |
| 04:56.33 | Mike-N-Go_ | http://pastey.net/56948 is what I currently have for my macro, to big =/ |
| 04:56.40 | Shirik|Fooding | DT_ it is |
| 04:56.57 | DT_ | Cool |
| 04:57.22 | Shirik|Fooding | Mike-N-Go_: You can remove the () |
| 04:57.52 | Shirik|Fooding | also you're missing a . |
| 04:58.28 | Shirik|Fooding | what about http://pastey.net/56950 |
| 04:58.38 | Shirik|Fooding | but ffr, UnitName("player") is the same as UnitName"player" |
| 04:58.46 | Shirik|Fooding | which allows a bit of compression |
| 04:58.48 | Mike-N-Go_ | Do you mean the functions, or the ()s on the functnions? |
| 04:59.07 | Shirik|Fooding | i.e., |
| 04:59.13 | Shirik|Fooding | lua> print"Hello World!" |
| 04:59.24 | Shirik|Fooding | bah |
| 04:59.24 | Shirik|Fooding | 002:592:46 12‹clad|sleep12› Shirik|Fooding:lua> Hello World! |
| 04:59.32 | Shirik|Fooding | like that |
| 04:59.45 | Mike-N-Go_ | Humm, new to me, thanks for helping me conserve space. |
| 04:59.56 | Shirik|Fooding | this is true when passing one parameter and the parameter is enclosed in {}, "", '', or [[]] |
| 05:00.02 | Shirik|Fooding | or [=[ ]=], etc. |
| 05:00.23 | Shirik|Fooding | for example, RDX has a function RDX.RegisterEncounter |
| 05:00.29 | Shirik|Fooding | many times because I'm lazy, you'll see me write something like this |
| 05:00.37 | Thunder_Child | i swear that boy is always fooding |
| 05:00.37 | Mike-N-Go_ | ~RDX |
| 05:00.41 | purl | RDX (Reverse Distributed Cron-like System) is a set of clients to connect to a server, and identify themselves via a string, and get a job list with schedules. URL: http://www.nobis.com/~ora/CS.tar.gz |
| 05:00.45 | Mike-N-Go_ | ?? |
| 05:01.02 | Thunder_Child | Raid Data Exchange |
| 05:01.05 | clad|sleep | Mike-N-Go_: again, purl is not a bot for just this channel |
| 05:01.09 | clad|sleep | there is more than one RDX in the world. |
| 05:01.21 | Shirik|Fooding | RDX.RegisterEncounter{name="netherspite2", category = "Karazhan", sort=92, title="Netherspite (Banish Phase)"}; |
| 05:01.24 | Thunder_Child | but i keep wanting to call it Rapid Data Exchange |
| 05:02.37 | Shirik|Fooding | but there are those that thing it's ugly, too |
| 05:02.42 | Shirik|Fooding | which I partially agree with |
| 05:02.46 | Shirik|Fooding | so be careful when you use it |
| 05:02.56 | Shirik|Fooding | but for example, in a macro you're trying to compress, that's a valid use of it |
| 05:03.17 | Mike-N-Go_ | How about dropping the ()'s when there is more then one pram.? |
| 05:03.24 | Shirik|Fooding | you can't |
| 05:04.44 | Mike-N-Go_ | Any other ways to save space in macros? |
| 05:05.00 | Shirik|Fooding | drop semicolons |
| 05:05.06 | Shirik|Fooding | and what I just pasted |
| 05:05.12 | Shirik|Fooding | change repeated strings into a variable |
| 05:05.35 | Shirik|Fooding | instead of UnitName("target") UnitIsFriendly("player", "target") CheckInteractDistance("target", 4) |
| 05:05.55 | Shirik|Fooding | do t = "target" UnitName(t) UnitIsFriendly("player",t) CheckInteractdistance(t,4) |
| 05:05.56 | Mike-N-Go_ | Ahh, I'll do that. |
| 05:06.13 | Mike-N-Go_ | Better yet: t="target" |
| 05:06.48 | Wraanger | what can be improved in the code ? http://pastey.net/56951 |
| 05:06.49 | Thrae | Code everything on one line without function parentheses! |
| 05:08.00 | Shirik|Fooding | um |
| 05:08.04 | Shirik|Fooding | vDI:new() doesn't seem very logical |
| 05:08.11 | wobin_ | Thrae: That'll be true for macros =) |
| 05:08.23 | Mike-N-Go_ | Humm, better make that local, or are created variables in macro inherently local? |
| 05:08.31 | DT_ | They're not |
| 05:08.38 | Shirik|Fooding | Mike-N-Go_: They aren't local, but if any addon is using a global single-character variable |
| 05:08.41 | Shirik|Fooding | they deserve the conflicts |
| 05:08.50 | Shirik|Fooding | local, imo, would take up too much space for you |
| 05:08.55 | Shirik|Fooding | so I wouldn't worry about it |
| 05:09.06 | Shirik|Fooding | but to answer your question, no they're global |
| 05:09.29 | Shirik|Fooding | Wraanger: can you explain to me why you did vDI:new() |
| 05:09.33 | Shirik|Fooding | instead of just doing it straight up |
| 05:09.34 | Shirik|Fooding | ? |
| 05:09.45 | Mike-N-Go_ | Hehe, I guess, no need to worry about that in my macro; addon's author fault if they do that, I'm the one who needs to conserve space! |
| 05:10.24 | Wraanger | ummm ..... that's mb because I have been ( and still is ) learning Lua or evl's and Haste addons ....and evl is coding things like that ) |
| 05:11.14 | Shirik|Fooding | there are uses for that |
| 05:11.16 | Shirik|Fooding | but not in your case |
| 05:11.21 | Shirik|Fooding | http://pastey.net/56952 |
| 05:11.22 | Shirik|Fooding | is more logical |
| 05:12.21 | Shirik|Fooding | going to get food now cy |
| 05:12.26 | Shirik|Fooding | good luck |
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| 05:13.55 | |Jelly| | http://karacry.ytmnd.com/ <3 |
| 05:15.45 | Mike-N-Go_ | Oh noes, I still need another dozen less letters, or so. |
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| 05:19.38 | Mike-N-Go_ | Would setting the idintifer 'and' to a variable work: a=and? |
| 05:19.47 | Iriel | no |
| 05:20.35 | N00bZXI | Mike-N-Go_: Could you post the macro again? |
| 05:21.00 | Mike-N-Go_ | http://pastey.net/56953 what I currently have. |
| 05:21.23 | Iriel | You've got a "target" in there you can swap with t |
| 05:21.24 | ckknight | |Jelly|: that's painful |
| 05:21.29 | Iriel | Many, in fact |
| 05:21.43 | Iriel | You generally dont need spaces after )'s |
| 05:21.53 | Iriel | You dont need ;'s at all in that macro |
| 05:22.03 | Iriel | You often dont need spaces after "'s either |
| 05:22.55 | N00bZXI | Shortened to 264 I believe |
| 05:23.00 | N00bZXI | http://pastey.net/56954 |
| 05:23.13 | Mike-N-Go_ | So either a space or a semicolon? |
| 05:23.24 | N00bZXI | Wait no that won't work |
| 05:24.21 | N00bZXI | Nope 278 |
| 05:24.59 | ckknight | I got 258 |
| 05:24.59 | ckknight | http://pastey.net/56955 |
| 05:25.25 | N00bZXI | ..t.. won't work |
| 05:25.35 | ckknight | why won't it? |
| 05:25.37 | N00bZXI | You need UnitName(t) (this was my error in the one I posted) |
| 05:25.40 | ckknight | oh, it won't |
| 05:25.41 | ckknight | right |
| 05:25.43 | ckknight | dang |
| 05:26.01 | N00bZXI | %t can't be used? |
| 05:26.20 | ckknight | and smaller: http://pastey.net/56956 |
| 05:26.23 | ckknight | I changed it to %t |
| 05:26.31 | ckknight | that's 253 |
| 05:26.36 | Mike-N-Go_ | We just unchanged it from %T. |
| 05:26.51 | Iriel | Shouldn't the emote be 'for play' not 'for your play' |
| 05:27.28 | N00bZXI | If it can't be shortened to below 255, you could split it |
| 05:27.37 | N00bZXI | Put one part in a macro and put it on a button, and hide the button |
| 05:27.41 | N00bZXI | and have the second /click the button |
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| 05:28.21 | Mike-N-Go_ | N00bZXI: I have not learned how to do that. |
| 05:28.51 | N00bZXI | Mike-N-Go_: Do you have an actionbutton available? |
| 05:29.20 | Mike-N-Go_ | Action button, you mean what I put spells and what not on my action bar? |
| 05:29.22 | |Jelly| | ckknight: But oh so funny. |
| 05:30.43 | ckknight | I had to stop listening |
| 05:31.03 | N00bZXI | Mike-N-Go_: Yes, I mean a button you can put a spell on |
| 05:31.14 | N00bZXI | If you want to split the macro you'll need to use one up |
| 05:40.06 | kergoth | hmm, cat or ravager? |
| 05:41.09 | Mike-N-Go_ | kergoth: Get a ravager, be indifferent! |
| 05:43.30 | Mike-N-Go_ | Thanks guys, but I am afraid I need to AFK for in a bit. |
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| 06:01.51 | Thrae | http://www.folded.com/jeff/fridge/timecube.shtml <-- took a few googles, but found a RPG with a "black", "white", "asian", and "indian" races. |
| 06:02.46 | Thrae | Oh, uh, NSFRR |
| 06:03.42 | ckknight | what about Austroloids? |
| 06:03.50 | ckknight | NSFRR? |
| 06:04.00 | Thrae | Not Safe For Reverse Racists |
| 06:13.13 | N00bZXI | http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/7567/phazeduiqf0.gif - oldest UI I can find in pictures folder :O |
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| 07:08.05 | |Jelly| | Welcome back, Shirik. |
| 07:08.12 | Shirik | :) |
| 07:09.05 | |Jelly| | So lets hypothesize that I wanted to go to school to become a programmer. Would I just major in Computer Science? |
| 07:09.14 | Shirik | woot! |
| 07:09.25 | Shirik | itunes has ayumi hamasaki |
| 07:09.27 | Shirik | awesome |
| 07:09.32 | Shirik | |Jelly|: You could, yes |
| 07:09.45 | Shirik | there are other majors that do it as well, though |
| 07:09.52 | Shirik | my school actually doesn't have a major in computer science |
| 07:10.00 | Shirik | but they have software engineering and computer engineering |
| 07:10.04 | |Jelly| | Your school is smelly! |
| 07:10.11 | |Jelly| | Or at least it's inTARweb is. 8P |
| 07:10.13 | Shirik | my school is not a school for programmers tbh |
| 07:10.21 | Shirik | it's an aeronautical university |
| 07:10.28 | |Jelly| | Yeah. Isn't it an aeronautics school? |
| 07:10.31 | |Jelly| | bleh |
| 07:10.35 | Shirik | :) |
| 07:10.45 | Shirik | I'm taking computer engineering with a concentration in avionics |
| 07:10.56 | Shirik | but, of course, that still implies a lot of CS courses |
| 07:11.29 | |Jelly| | I think you need to get craching on the Artificial Horizon and Flight HUD! |
| 07:11.32 | |Jelly| | cracking* |
| 07:14.06 | |Jelly| | My new favorite mod is Align. |
| 07:14.22 | |Jelly| | It allows me to be OCD on stuff lining up. |
| 07:14.24 | Shirik | I have so many projects right now |
| 07:14.28 | Shirik | and with Cidan gone it doesn't help |
| 07:14.31 | Shirik | and finals next week too |
| 07:14.57 | |Jelly| | excuses, excuses |
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| 07:28.25 | Shirik | http://ayumi.primenova.com/lyrics/moments.htm |
| 07:28.28 | Shirik | isn't that pretty? :) |
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| 08:03.54 | |Jelly| | Is there a paladin mod that will allow you to pick what Blessing you put on the person per group member and also tracks it? Like it has a frame next to each party member and when you left click, it applies the blessing and right click opens a menu for the different blessings? |
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| 08:06.31 | wobin_ | pallypower? |
| 08:06.49 | |Jelly| | Did they make that work for non-greater blessings? |
| 08:06.59 | |Jelly| | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:31.20 | Shirik | wow |
| 08:31.26 | Shirik | wikipedia has a huge page on my area code |
| 08:31.27 | Shirik | wtf |
| 08:31.29 | |Jelly| | omg |
| 08:31.30 | Shirik | it's an area code |
| 08:31.34 | Shirik | what do you need this long article about it for |
| 08:31.44 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Area_code_703 |
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| 08:32.43 | |Jelly| | You...looked up your area code? |
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| 08:34.49 | Fin | guten morgen |
| 08:36.01 | |Jelly| | Morning |
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| 08:59.11 | Shirik | |Jelly|: Ya, long story |
| 08:59.21 | |Jelly| | lol |
| 09:01.38 | zenzelezz | you know, someone dumb enough to follow a link called "my sex girl friend!" from the WoW forums deserve to be key logged |
| 09:02.07 | |Jelly| | But what if,that one time, it IS someone's sex girlfriend?! |
| 09:02.26 | zenzelezz | there are easier ways to find porn |
| 09:02.43 | |Jelly| | But not as adventurous! |
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| 13:09.27 | |Jelly| | Lunessa <3 |
| 13:09.46 | |Jelly| | I still need a screenie of your UI! |
| 13:10.09 | Lunessa | One sec... |
| 13:10.43 | Lunessa | http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w227/matt_converse/new_UI_baseline.jpg |
| 13:11.31 | Lunessa | It STILL takes up too much space. |
| 13:11.44 | Lunessa | I'm going to fiddle with it more today. |
| 13:11.48 | |Jelly| | lol |
| 13:13.47 | Lunessa | It's sleeker... but... cramped. |
| 13:14.12 | |Jelly| | it's not symetrical |
| 13:14.48 | Lunessa | I've given up on semetry. |
| 13:14.56 | Lunessa | symetry |
| 13:14.59 | Lunessa | And coffee. |
| 13:17.11 | |Jelly| | I couldn't do it |
| 13:17.32 | Lunessa | Every time I try to make my UI symmetrical I either end up with a lot more wasted space, or long distances to drag my mouse across the screen. |
| 13:18.36 | |Jelly| | 8 |
| 13:18.37 | |Jelly| | 8( |
| 13:18.44 | |Jelly| | I suppose I'm just anal |
| 13:19.48 | Lunessa | I grabbed Align to help me with visual references for alignment/positioning, but the grid is displays is to broad for fine-tuning. |
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| 13:20.12 | |Jelly| | <3 Align |
| 13:20.58 | Lunessa | http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n109/nightfallii/WoWScrnShot_052907_160504.jpg - I'm working towards something like this... but as a priest, mage, warlock, or shaman I need more buttons. |
| 13:22.05 | |Jelly| | Ryas |
| 13:22.36 | Lunessa | I just want that level of compactness. |
| 13:22.37 | |Jelly| | Use Bartender and make them "fade away" |
| 13:23.19 | Lunessa | *cough* already got fade out buttons and bars that rotate on alt, ctrl, or shift press. |
| 13:23.35 | |Jelly| | So why do you need more buttons? lol |
| 13:25.21 | KriLL3 | is there a way to make other addon frames the children of one of your own frames? |
| 13:25.41 | KriLL3 | trying to hide bartender bars |
| 13:26.12 | Lunessa | bartender bars will "fade out" or can be hidden or alpha-reduced on their own. |
| 13:26.16 | Lunessa | No re-parenting needed. |
| 13:26.21 | KriLL3 | how? |
| 13:26.49 | KriLL3 | haven't spotted anything like that |
| 13:27.04 | |Jelly| | it's in the menu for each of the bars |
| 13:27.07 | Lunessa | Bartender 3, right? |
| 13:27.23 | KriLL3 | oh, I didn't mean that way |
| 13:27.48 | KriLL3 | I mean that I want certain bars to go away depending on my current shape I'm shifted to |
| 13:28.06 | KriLL3 | and it only supports bear and cat, not all other forms |
| 13:28.17 | |Jelly| | dunno |
| 13:29.31 | Lunessa | Look in the LUA for the name of the bars, then Hide(); them in a macro? |
| 13:29.31 | KriLL3 | I wrote and addon with aid from people in here that makes 4 different frames depending on current shifted state, caster cat bear and travel/aquatic/(swift)flight made my eePanels stuff all children of those frames |
| 13:29.31 | krka | Lunessa: Lua is not an acronym. |
| 13:30.01 | KriLL3 | Lunessa: or hide them using that addon? |
| 13:30.08 | Lunessa | Yeah. :) |
| 13:31.51 | Lunessa | I'm going to quit participating in the "post your UI" threads. |
| 13:32.24 | |Jelly| | why? |
| 13:34.17 | Lunessa | 'cause posting any screenshot is a waste of time unless you're Rayas. :P |
| 13:34.37 | |Jelly| | Why's that? lol |
| 13:34.43 | |Jelly| | Not everyone (me) likes his UI. |
| 13:34.55 | mikma | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:35.00 | Lunessa | I was being sarcastic. |
| 13:35.05 | |Jelly| | ahh |
| 13:35.13 | |Jelly| | I haven't slept...cut me some slack! |
| 13:35.32 | Lunessa | Everything that generates enthusiasm is either way too cluttered, or way to useless. |
| 13:35.46 | Lunessa | too |
| 13:35.49 | KriLL3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:35.50 | |Jelly| | Sex ui is...just that! |
| 13:36.06 | |Jelly| | so make that a function and toss it in your addon |
| 13:36.14 | KriLL3 | doing :> |
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| 13:49.57 | Lunessa | I really should unbind "back" from F13 on this keyboard. *sigh* |
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| 13:57.26 | KriLL3 | "Attemp to index global "BT3Bar1" (a nil value) errm... what the... |
| 13:57.33 | KriLL3 | the line is "BT3Bar1:Show()" |
| 13:58.13 | KriLL3 | I got several like it above in the code, why does it barf on that one if it manages the earlier once? |
| 13:58.25 | wobin_ | pastey? |
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| 13:59.44 | KriLL3 | http://wowi.pastey.net/56968 |
| 13:59.51 | KriLL3 | marked the line it barfs on |
| 14:00.43 | KriLL3 | oh, missed the l in local in the copy, it's there in the code though |
| 14:01.13 | wobin_ | hm |
| 14:01.18 | wobin_ | this is on load, right? |
| 14:01.24 | KriLL3 | yes |
| 14:01.30 | wobin_ | Are you sure BT3 is loaded at this point? |
| 14:01.33 | KriLL3 | I got the same stuff but on shapeshift change lower down |
| 14:01.47 | KriLL3 | wobin_: put it as optional dependency |
| 14:01.54 | wobin_ | Do a check for the object |
| 14:02.03 | wobin_ | hm |
| 14:02.18 | wobin_ | Cause I bet if you swap 33 and 34 around |
| 14:02.27 | KriLL3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:02.29 | wobin_ | you'll get the same error, but for BT3Bar2 |
| 14:03.05 | KriLL3 | gonna test it |
| 14:03.46 | KriLL3 | perhaps remove the on load stuff and satisfy myself with it changing on shapeshift? would be nice having my UI correct on login though |
| 14:04.09 | wobin_ | or possibly delay the onload |
| 14:04.15 | KriLL3 | wobin_: yeah, got bar2 error |
| 14:04.22 | KriLL3 | wobin_: how do you do that? |
| 14:04.46 | KriLL3 | I'm guessing bartender3 takes some time to load (it's not a small addon) and my addon simply jumps the gun |
| 14:04.47 | wobin_ | hm not easy without some timer library |
| 14:04.50 | wobin_ | yeah |
| 14:05.05 | KriLL3 | but I thought wow waited for dependencies to load before loading the addon... |
| 14:05.16 | KriLL3 | I think I got a couple of timer libraries |
| 14:05.19 | wobin_ | bt3 may take some time to setup after loading |
| 14:05.46 | KriLL3 | I got Chronos |
| 14:05.53 | Thrae | KriLL3: You should make sure you do your stuff on PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD (PEW), which is generally the last event fired on loading. |
| 14:05.57 | wobin_ | That could work |
| 14:06.13 | wobin_ | That's even better |
| 14:06.19 | wobin_ | and not requiring anything new |
| 14:06.22 | KriLL3 | f:RegisterEvent("PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD") ? |
| 14:06.27 | wobin_ | yeah |
| 14:06.40 | wobin_ | then do your manipulation once the event is fired |
| 14:06.43 | Thrae | ADDON_LOADED and VARIABLES_LOADED are reserved for loading saved variables (do it on ADDON_LOADED) |
| 14:06.52 | Thrae | s/loading/initializing/ |
| 14:09.22 | KriLL3 | works :) |
| 14:09.25 | KriLL3 | thx guys |
| 14:13.14 | sysrage | 30 int gives how much crit and mana to a 70 mage? |
| 14:17.52 | KriLL3 | what is the syntax to make a line a comment, know the multi line thing, but not the 1 line |
| 14:19.02 | wereHamster | KriLL3, -- comment |
| 14:21.00 | KriLL3 | this is somewhat amazing, I use identical code for all 4 different possible situations and it works in 3 places but doesn't do anything in the forth situation... |
| 14:22.53 | KriLL3 | http://wowi.pastey.net/56971 marked line doesn't work, don't get an error, just the bar in question isn't hidden |
| 14:23.30 | wobin_ | what 4 situations? |
| 14:23.35 | KriLL3 | check the link |
| 14:23.54 | KriLL3 | different s=GetShapeshiftForm |
| 14:24.12 | foxlit | So something must be showing it afterwards. |
| 14:24.22 | KriLL3 | code ends tehre |
| 14:24.56 | wobin_ | does it hide if you just call that line as a script? |
| 14:25.06 | wereHamster | who creates BT3Bar9? your addon? |
| 14:25.11 | wobin_ | Bartender |
| 14:25.12 | KriLL3 | wobin_: yes |
| 14:25.39 | KriLL3 | wait a second, seems it only hides in the other forms becuse it's paging, it doesn't actually disapear |
| 14:26.04 | KriLL3 | turned of paging and it doesn't go away in any form now |
| 14:26.44 | KriLL3 | but bar 1 and 2 still vanish without the need for paging... |
| 14:27.03 | KriLL3 | could it be cyCircled doing this? it's the only bar I got that uses it |
| 14:27.14 | wobin_ | I suspect there's some conflict between what you have set bt3 to page on |
| 14:27.31 | wobin_ | KriLL3: It certainly could be |
| 14:27.51 | KriLL3 | turning it of and reloading ui |
| 14:29.52 | KriLL3 | nope, still doesn't play ball :\ |
| 14:33.11 | KriLL3 | somewhat bewildering to have code that hides 3 visible bars and it works on 2 of 3... |
| 14:37.15 | foxlit | btw, you can't just hide secureframes in combat |
| 14:37.37 | Shirik|Fooding | ^ |
| 14:37.50 | KriLL3 | I'm not in combat |
| 14:38.11 | Shirik|Fooding | but you're aware that will cause serious issues if you /were/ in combat? |
| 14:38.34 | KriLL3 | nope, since switching to bearform and back hides/shows my bars np |
| 14:38.37 | Shirik|Fooding | i.e., you should probably check for combat lockdown before you actually go about doing this |
| 14:39.26 | Shirik|zZz | well |
| 14:39.29 | Shirik|zZz | I switched to zZz |
| 14:39.37 | Shirik|zZz | it gave me 102:382:16 » 12[notice from NickServ12]: This nickname is owned by someone else |
| 14:39.42 | KriLL3 | note to Shirik|zZz, switching to bearrform puts you in combat |
| 14:39.53 | Shirik|zZz | so I figured I'd go back and link it |
| 14:40.00 | Shirik|zZz | then accidentally did Shirik instead of Shirik|zZz |
| 14:40.03 | foxlit | Only if you have Furor. |
| 14:40.05 | Shirik|zZz | KriLL3: That's because you aren't in combat yet |
| 14:40.08 | Shirik|zZz | when you switch |
| 14:40.13 | Shirik|zZz | putting you in bear form puts you into combat |
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| 14:40.17 | Shirik|zZz | not the other way around |
| 14:40.27 | KriLL3 | yes, and when I switch out bars still show/hide np |
| 14:40.29 | Shirik|zZz | just like on PLAYER_REGEN_DISABLED you're still out of lockdown |
| 14:40.39 | KriLL3 | and you remain in combat for a while after switching to bearform |
| 14:41.03 | foxlit | Point is, don't expect :Hide() to have any effect while in combat |
| 14:41.11 | Shirik|zZz | it's not that it won't have any effect |
| 14:41.18 | Shirik|zZz | it will popup a message "An action has occured which is blocked" |
| 14:41.25 | KriLL3 | well, it works. |
| 14:41.28 | KriLL3 | what can I say |
| 14:41.29 | foxlit | Mine fail silently :/ |
| 14:41.29 | Shirik|zZz | it works... for now |
| 14:41.34 | Shirik|zZz | foxlit: Any addon? |
| 14:41.38 | Shirik|zZz | buggrabber perhaps? |
| 14:41.43 | Shirik|zZz | I know VFL picks those up and stores em |
| 14:41.53 | foxlit | Shouldn't be |
| 14:42.02 | Shirik|zZz | cause there is an event for it |
| 14:42.09 | foxlit | Just do a /run SecureFrame:Hide(); |
| 14:42.10 | Shirik|zZz | and I assume you could also hook the Blizzard handler |
| 14:42.21 | Shirik|zZz | not in game, nor can I get in game right now, but I know I've seen it before :P |
| 14:42.22 | foxlit | Swatter might be doing something, but I don't think it's even enabled (too annoying) |
| 14:42.48 | foxlit | Nah, it's off. |
| 14:42.56 | Shirik|zZz | strange |
| 14:43.00 | Shirik|zZz | maybe something I have was creating that error |
| 14:43.48 | KriLL3 | so why is bar 1 & 2 hiding but 8 is there no matter what? althought a macro with /script BT3Bar8:Hide() works... |
| 14:44.17 | Shirik|zZz | you |
| 14:44.20 | foxlit | Shirik: CSBN still fails audibly |
| 14:44.21 | Shirik|zZz | also really need to abstract your code |
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| 14:45.39 | Shirik|zZz | and I agree with what foxlit said |
| 14:45.45 | Shirik|zZz | something else is showing it after you hide it |
| 14:45.48 | Shirik|zZz | simply put |
| 14:45.49 | KriLL3 | why does it claim nil value on 7? :( |
| 14:46.16 | zenzelezz | well either it doesn't exist, or you typoed it |
| 14:46.34 | Shirik|zZz | Lua doesn't lie :P |
| 14:46.37 | Shirik|zZz | well sometimes it does |
| 14:46.43 | Shirik|zZz | but those are usually bugs |
| 14:47.09 | Shirik|zZz | a = nil; a = (1)..a; "Attempt to concatenate a number value" |
| 14:47.10 | Shirik|zZz | lol |
| 14:47.43 | KriLL3 | aha! the bartender bars prior to 8 were not enabled by bartender |
| 14:47.47 | KriLL3 | thus said frames didn't exist |
| 14:47.58 | KriLL3 | enabled em all and hid em in bartender and it works now |
| 14:48.45 | KriLL3 | why does the entire operation grind to a half if you refer to a non-existing frame? not not keep going and change the frames that aren't imagined? :| |
| 14:49.11 | Shirik|zZz | why should it keep going? |
| 14:49.16 | Shirik|zZz | this is Lua, it has very strict rules |
| 14:49.21 | Shirik|zZz | you're trying to index something that doesn't exist |
| 14:49.23 | Shirik|zZz | that's an error |
| 14:49.43 | KriLL3 | well if you have 10 operation in a row and the first one refers to a frame that hasn't spawned yet, why ignore operation 2-10 ? |
| 14:49.44 | Shirik|zZz | if you wanted to make a frame that can be ignored, you can do so with metatables |
| 14:49.52 | Shirik|zZz | Because |
| 14:49.54 | Shirik|zZz | that's the language |
| 14:50.05 | Shirik|zZz | if you get an error, you exit to out to the next available environment |
| 14:50.24 | Shirik|zZz | you can do two things: Provide a metatable, which you must do explicitly, or you can create a protected environment, which will be a pita |
| 14:50.36 | Shirik|zZz | it's no different from any other language |
| 14:50.51 | foxlit | "not not keep" haha, double inversion! |
| 14:50.51 | Shirik|zZz | if you encounter an error, you stop what you're doing and exit back to the next available handler |
| 14:51.01 | KriLL3 | just seems odd that I need to enable all bars if I wish to possibly ever manipulate them :\ |
| 14:51.12 | Shirik|zZz | it's only odd because the way you are doing it is odd |
| 14:51.24 | wereHamster | KriLL3, you usually don't want to continue execution after a bug occured, it could cause something much more severe at a later point |
| 14:51.28 | KriLL3 | I started writing LUA early this morning =P |
| 14:51.28 | krka | KriLL3: Lua is not an acronym. |
| 14:51.36 | foxlit | LUA LUA LUA |
| 14:51.40 | KriLL3 | krka: shut it... |
| 14:51.46 | Shirik|zZz | KriLL3: That's a bot, and he's right |
| 14:51.48 | zenzelezz | if you're doing this in Lua you could do something simple like |
| 14:51.50 | Shirik|zZz | Lua is not capitalized |
| 14:51.54 | KriLL3 | foxlit: it's on a timer, to prevent making him spam himself kicked |
| 14:52.14 | zenzelezz | if (BT3Bar7) then <...> end |
| 14:52.14 | foxlit | LUA? |
| 14:52.48 | KriLL3 | 3 letter stuff that isn't a word I recognize I usually think are acronyms =P triggered that bot 6~ times already |
| 14:52.59 | foxlit | LUA LUA? |
| 14:53.03 | zenzelezz | lua is a word |
| 14:53.04 | foxlit | That's some timer :( |
| 14:53.07 | zenzelezz | jus not English |
| 14:53.10 | zenzelezz | *just |
| 14:54.07 | Shirik|zZz | KriLL3: What you should be doing |
| 14:54.17 | Shirik|zZz | (and if you really wanted to be protective, you can add more) |
| 14:54.17 | KriLL3 | well it's done and works now |
| 14:54.21 | Shirik|zZz | http://wowi.pastey.net/56973 |
| 14:55.22 | Shirik|zZz | oops |
| 14:55.25 | Shirik|zZz | except make that x ~= n |
| 14:55.27 | Shirik|zZz | instead of x == n |
| 14:55.31 | Shirik|zZz | but you get the idea |
| 14:55.34 | KriLL3 | I do |
| 14:55.36 | Shirik|zZz | 102:542:51 12‹KriLL312› well it's done and works now |
| 14:55.46 | KriLL3 | check if frames are there before trying to change them |
| 14:55.48 | Shirik|zZz | Deciding that something is "done" because it works is always a bad idea |
| 14:55.59 | KriLL3 | well this is meant mainly for self use... |
| 14:56.08 | Shirik|zZz | Hell I remember foxlit worked on Prism for how long after it worked? |
| 14:56.28 | KriLL3 | it works and does what I want it to do, I'll ofc tinker with it in the future |
| 14:56.54 | Kaso | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=296389963&postId=2962638004&sid=1#12 |
| 14:56.57 | Kaso | very interesting |
| 14:57.22 | KriLL3 | now gives me 4 frames outside the screen that I make the parents of my eePanel stuff, and shows/hides my bartender bars, rep bar and trinketmenu |
| 14:57.24 | foxlit | Haha, I'm not even done |
| 14:57.50 | Shirik|zZz | wow.... |
| 14:57.51 | foxlit | Should probably implement faster mul |
| 14:57.52 | Shirik|zZz | that is really interesting |
| 14:57.55 | Shirik|zZz | but what |
| 14:58.01 | Shirik|zZz | encrypt the data via the system time? |
| 14:58.10 | Shirik|zZz | decrypt it from wow? |
| 14:58.26 | KriLL3 | in cat & bear only bar 1 of my bars are shown, rest gone, in caster all all 3 are shown and rep bar and trinket menu, and in aquatic/travel/flight all bars and addon on the lower screen are hidden |
| 14:59.45 | Shirik|zZz | the incoming data is the real problem |
| 15:00.04 | Shirik|zZz | outgoing data isn't entirely easy too but easier |
| 15:01.00 | foxlit | Shirik|zZz: encode |
| 15:01.08 | Shirik|zZz | ok sorry, bad term |
| 15:01.09 | foxlit | Shirik|zZz: but that's what, 4 bytes at a time? |
| 15:01.14 | Shirik|zZz | no you have more |
| 15:01.15 | Shirik|zZz | oh |
| 15:01.16 | Shirik|zZz | bytes |
| 15:01.16 | Shirik|zZz | ya |
| 15:01.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh god |
| 15:01.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | necb has unreal tournament sounds now |
| 15:01.50 | Shirik|zZz | and what about start time? |
| 15:01.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | MMMMONSTER KILL |
| 15:01.58 | Shirik|zZz | well I guess you could raise a flag at 0x0 |
| 15:01.59 | Shirik|zZz | or something |
| 15:02.03 | Shirik|zZz | start data signal |
| 15:02.03 | zenzelezz | You have slain Illidan Stormrage. |
| 15:02.06 | zenzelezz | GODLIKE |
| 15:02.13 | Shirik|zZz | 0xFFFF..FF is stop data signal |
| 15:02.14 | Shirik|zZz | etc. |
| 15:02.24 | Shirik|zZz | then you have to have a consistent pulse |
| 15:02.30 | Shirik|zZz | but that's been trivial for many other issues |
| 15:02.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | <zenzelezz> GODLIKE |
| 15:02.47 | Shirik|zZz | but still, 4 bytes |
| 15:02.51 | Shirik|zZz | that's 4 characters |
| 15:02.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | theres a file in the zip that's godlike.mp3, zenzelezz |
| 15:03.38 | zenzelezz | I'm not surprised, considering I was referring to the "godlike" message you got eventually if you had a huge killing spree |
| 15:03.47 | zenzelezz | such as when camping the roof on CTF_Face |
| 15:04.11 | Kaso | face is a stupid campy map >.< |
| 15:04.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah |
| 15:04.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | i got "holy shit" once |
| 15:04.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | that was pretty entertaining |
| 15:04.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | which is like |
| 15:04.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | 10 kills in 5 sec or something |
| 15:05.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | the first one's still the best |
| 15:05.16 | Shirik|zZz | hm |
| 15:05.19 | Shirik|zZz | 4 hours until CW |
| 15:05.23 | Shirik|zZz | guess I'll head to sleep |
| 15:05.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | they took out all the fun weapons in UT2k3+ |
| 15:05.26 | Shirik|zZz | night |
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| 15:05.36 | KriLL3 | is there a command to bump a frame x amount of pixels in a direction? |
| 15:05.45 | krka | my bot is pwnage! i am loving it more and more |
| 15:05.50 | Kaso | SetPoint and GetPoint KriLL3 |
| 15:05.59 | KriLL3 | ++20 ? |
| 15:06.01 | Shirik|zZz | LUA! |
| 15:06.03 | Shirik|zZz | boo |
| 15:06.10 | Kaso | look em up on wowwiki KriLL3 |
| 15:06.10 | Shirik|zZz | KriLL3: No |
| 15:06.13 | Shirik|zZz | SetPoint and GetPoint |
| 15:06.19 | KriLL3 | ... |
| 15:06.27 | Shirik|zZz | or some really jacked up stuff with SetHeight() but please don't do that |
| 15:06.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | hahaha |
| 15:07.20 | KriLL3 | I can have the highest UI in the game! |
| 15:07.32 | foxlit | Is LUA an acronym? |
| 15:07.32 | krka | foxlit: Lua is not an acronym. |
| 15:07.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | "If you smashed a killng blow on your target(!) and it was NOT a trivial unit and it was a hostile player, then you hear a sound motivation!" |
| 15:07.50 | foxlit | Am I being ignored if I just say LUA without context? |
| 15:08.08 | KriLL3 | no, but it has a timer |
| 15:08.15 | KriLL3 | so random ppl can't say LUA and get the bot kicked |
| 15:08.39 | zenzelezz | Mr_Rabies2: poor AoE classes |
| 15:08.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | "If you kill another player within 60 seconds the next level of sound is played - this goes further until you hear the level 5 sound 'Godlike!'" |
| 15:08.57 | foxlit | KriLL3: it's way way way too long for that? |
| 15:09.09 | KriLL3 | ? |
| 15:11.13 | KriLL3 | is there a / command to check the x/y offset of a frame? |
| 15:11.21 | Kaso | getpoint! |
| 15:11.29 | KriLL3 | AddMessage(yOfs) ? |
| 15:11.30 | Kaso | oh slash |
| 15:11.42 | Kaso | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:11.47 | Kaso | if you dont have devtools then you suck |
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| 15:12.33 | foxlit | Devtools used to be third on my memory-usage listing |
| 15:12.41 | JoshBorke | ~devtools |
| 15:12.42 | purl | Iriel's DevTools, a highly useful set of debugging tools for developers on WoW. Found at http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=3999 Why isn't it in the default client yet? |
| 15:12.44 | JoshBorke | it's not to be run all the time |
| 15:12.52 | Kaso | when you activate the event trace it does alot of work ofc |
| 15:13.14 | foxlit | Assuming I don't, it should be passive? |
| 15:13.25 | zenzelezz | foxlit: how much did it use? |
| 15:13.25 | foxlit | Then AtlasLoot was aced. |
| 15:13.29 | foxlit | ~1.73MB |
| 15:13.42 | Kaso | Im not sure how iriel|sleep coded it, but its possible for it to use nearly nothing till it is used |
| 15:13.44 | zenzelezz | that's nothing, my Cartographer uses more |
| 15:14.00 | Kaso | then agian, its a dev addon, not meant to be run 24/7 as josh said |
| 15:14.16 | zenzelezz | personally I hacked DT to be load-on-demand and added a slash command to load it... /loaddevtools to enable, /reload to disable |
| 15:14.38 | Kaso | KriLL3, that'll get its xy location relative to whatever frame its point is set to, to get it relative to UIParent(if it isnt already set relative to UIParent) you'd have to keep recursively calling GetPoint on the parent frame till you get to UIParent |
| 15:14.53 | KriLL3 | zenzelezz: cladhaire will have your head |
| 15:15.00 | Shirik|zZz | pop quiz: *var[n] |
| 15:15.02 | KriLL3 | Kaso: only told me left |
| 15:15.10 | cladhaire | huh? |
| 15:15.27 | Shirik|zZz | does that dereference the nth entry in var, or get the nth entry of the dereference of var? |
| 15:15.28 | foxlit | I don't mind it, tbh |
| 15:15.43 | Shirik|zZz | i.e., (*var)[n] or *(var[n]) |
| 15:15.46 | Kaso | KriLL3, it has more than one return |
| 15:15.53 | Shirik|zZz | of course if I'm asking this question I should use parens but just curious |
| 15:16.05 | cladhaire | why would i have someone's head? |
| 15:16.10 | Fin | lunch? |
| 15:16.19 | Shirik|zZz | ya |
| 15:16.24 | Kaso | KriLL3: point,relativeTo,relativePoint,xOfs,yOfs = Region:GetPoint() |
| 15:16.26 | cladhaire | did you really get nothing from our coinversation the other day |
| 15:16.31 | cladhaire | that you just have to throw stuff around like that? |
| 15:16.38 | cladhaire | if he's not distributing it, he's well within him right |
| 15:16.40 | Shirik|zZz | through lunch? |
| 15:17.13 | Kaso | KriLL3, read: http://www.wowwiki.com/API_Region_GetPoint |
| 15:17.24 | KriLL3 | I am |
| 15:26.17 | KriLL3 | does anyone know the legal aspects of using WC3 textures in WoW? (personal use) |
| 15:27.08 | Shirik | textures? |
| 15:27.18 | Shirik | for your frames, etc.? |
| 15:27.19 | KriLL3 | say parts of the bottom bar and stuff |
| 15:27.23 | KriLL3 | yes |
| 15:27.28 | Shirik | shouldn't be an issue |
| 15:27.31 | KriLL3 | like ultimate ui/druidium does |
| 15:27.37 | foxlit | legal aspects |
| 15:27.49 | Fin | "fair use" |
| 15:28.00 | foxlit | On what grounds? |
| 15:28.08 | Fin | whu? |
| 15:28.40 | foxlit | Fair use is not a magical waiver to all copyright problems |
| 15:28.54 | KriLL3 | nope, piracy is. |
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| 15:29.40 | cladhaire | first off |
| 15:29.55 | cladhaire | there's likely a ToS/EuLA violation by puilling out the textures from the mpqs |
| 15:30.13 | KriLL3 | well I'm not |
| 15:30.18 | Fin | wait, wait a second |
| 15:30.24 | krka | foxlit: 15 minute timer on the acronym script |
| 15:30.38 | Fin | I thought KriLL3 was asking about using WC3 textures in WoW? |
| 15:30.43 | KriLL3 | yeah |
| 15:30.45 | cladhaire | he is. |
| 15:30.50 | KriLL3 | but that isn't the source |
| 15:31.06 | Fin | OK, well, I wouldn't say "fair use" to that then |
| 15:31.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm in the "Blizzard likely doesn't care enough to seek action, therefore it's fine" camp |
| 15:31.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | but that's me |
| 15:31.57 | Fin | although, hmm, dunno, probably is still fair use - if it's only for personal use, not distributed at all, and doesn't have any commercial value to the user |
| 15:32.14 | cladhaire | Mr_Rabies: Doesn't invalidate the legality of it. |
| 15:32.25 | Fin | I don't think a court would prosecute someone even if it was in the ToS that you couldn't extract the images |
| 15:32.27 | cladhaire | btu if its for personal use |
| 15:32.40 | cladhaire | and you don't violate teh tos/eula by obtaining the images |
| 15:32.47 | cladhaire | then you're fine, just don't distribuet it. |
| 15:32.55 | Fin | depends on the intrinsic commercial value of the images themselves I guess |
| 15:33.21 | KriLL3 | what about ultimate UI and DART configs etc that uses WC3 textures? are they violating copyright? |
| 15:33.50 | Thrae | No court would prosecute English speakers for watching fansubbed anime that hasn't been released outside Japan, but that doesn't mean it's 100% legal. |
| 15:34.07 | Fin | it does if it's taken to court, no? |
| 15:34.25 | Fin | I mean, if there were a court case, I don't think a court would prosecute someone for using those textures |
| 15:34.30 | KriLL3 | Thrae: I got 24Mbit and 860GB total storage, what do you think I use it for? |
| 15:34.47 | Fin | porn |
| 15:34.54 | Thrae | Obviously porn |
| 15:35.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | <Fin> porn |
| 15:35.05 | KriLL3 | yes, since the internet is for porn |
| 15:35.41 | Fin | trolls, ninjas and pirates |
| 15:35.49 | Fin | they have very different roles in different situations |
| 15:35.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | because if i was in that situation |
| 15:35.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | i know what i'd use |
| 15:36.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | the connection/space for |
| 15:36.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | just for bragging rights |
| 15:36.18 | Fin | hated or loved |
| 15:36.30 | KriLL3 | Mr_Rabies2: neither is anything to brag about here |
| 15:36.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | "i just downloaded 500 gb of porn overnight" |
| 15:37.10 | KriLL3 | Is it ok to replace textures in addons for personal use? less hassle/bloat than skinner |
| 15:37.19 | Fin | yes |
| 15:37.29 | foxlit | Depends on addon license! |
| 15:37.36 | foxlit | Legal implications of downloading porn, discuss. |
| 15:37.37 | Thrae | I have 0.5/1.5TB left, so I decided to start downloading all of Monty Python TV & Movies, Kids in the Hall, and the Best of the Benny Hill Show. Oh, and also South Park + Commentary. |
| 15:37.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm pretty sure it's okay to do whatever you want to addons |
| 15:37.39 | KriLL3 | it has none specified |
| 15:37.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | what are they going to to ya :p |
| 15:37.53 | cladhaire | foxlit: you can do anything for your own personal use, in almost all cases. |
| 15:37.55 | Thrae | ~copyright |
| 15:37.58 | Fin | licenses can say all sorts of things, it doesn't mean they're always legally binding |
| 15:38.07 | KriLL3 | gonna change the texture of the minimap border of SMM |
| 15:38.14 | Thrae | purl: wake up |
| 15:38.14 | purl | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on up and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 15:38.24 | foxlit | cladhaire: can I modify WoW client for my own personal use? |
| 15:38.33 | Thrae | ~literal copyright |
| 15:38.35 | cladhaire | legally, yes.. but it violates the toS EULA |
| 15:38.36 | KriLL3 | several parts you can't |
| 15:38.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | yes, you'll likely get banned if warden detects it :p |
| 15:38.48 | KriLL3 | change a model and you're insta banned |
| 15:38.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | ehh |
| 15:38.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | not true at all :o |
| 15:39.04 | cladhaire | bgetting banned does not make it illegal |
| 15:39.12 | KriLL3 | ppl where having a laugh switching their pets to fullsize ragnaros and then got banned |
| 15:39.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | i changed every rabbit in the world to ragnaros |
| 15:39.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | that was pretty entertaining |
| 15:39.44 | KriLL3 | cladhaire: no, but being banned isn't something you wish to be |
| 15:39.49 | cladhaire | KriLL3: but its not illegal |
| 15:39.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | you only get banned for model changing if you do something stupid with it |
| 15:39.56 | cladhaire | you didn't ask if i'd like the repurcussions |
| 15:40.02 | cladhaire | you asked if it was illegal |
| 15:40.14 | KriLL3 | well blizzard are suing goldspammers due to TOS violation... |
| 15:40.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | like, change the wsg gate to a treasure chest |
| 15:40.30 | cladhaire | KriLL3: No, they're suing goldspammers for making money off their virtual merchandise |
| 15:40.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | they're suing goldspammers because they have a way to prove it caused them financial harm |
| 15:40.36 | cladhaire | this is all common sense people |
| 15:40.38 | cladhaire | you don't need to be a lawyer. |
| 15:40.39 | zenzelezz | or skipping from Skeram to C'thun |
| 15:40.53 | KriLL3 | cladhaire: yes and it's said in the TOS that it isn't alowed |
| 15:40.56 | cladhaire | so |
| 15:40.59 | cladhaire | that's NOT why they're being sued. |
| 15:41.03 | cladhaire | stop trying to invent loopholes |
| 15:41.09 | cladhaire | this is very straightforward |
| 15:41.10 | KriLL3 | I'm not |
| 15:41.28 | cladhaire | KriLL3: well blizzard are suing goldspammers due to TOS violation |
| 15:41.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | same reason they're attempting to sue mercury from mmoglider |
| 15:41.35 | cladhaire | they are not suing goldspammers due to TOS violation |
| 15:41.42 | cladhaire | the goldspammers are violating the ToS, and costing Blizzard money |
| 15:41.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | for infringement on the name, and possibly costing them money |
| 15:41.52 | cladhaire | they are suing them due to the financial impact of the gold spamming. |
| 15:41.56 | cladhaire | I mean seriously |
| 15:41.58 | KriLL3 | It's not illigal to cost others money |
| 15:42.11 | cladhaire | *sigh* |
| 15:42.18 | zenzelezz | depends how you do it KriLL3 |
| 15:42.19 | cladhaire | its a civil lawsuit |
| 15:42.23 | cladhaire | not a criminal laqsuit |
| 15:42.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's like putting up ads for Quiznos inside of subway |
| 15:42.32 | cladhaire | a civil lawsuit is based upon financial burden and impact |
| 15:42.34 | KriLL3 | what is the difference? |
| 15:42.38 | KriLL3 | oh |
| 15:42.52 | cladhaire | okay, i'll make the following disclaimer |
| 15:42.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | you're using subway property to advertise your service |
| 15:43.05 | KriLL3 | here you can only have a lawsuit if a crime has been committed |
| 15:43.16 | cladhaire | well we're in teh US |
| 15:43.19 | cladhaire | and so is Blizzard |
| 15:43.23 | cladhaire | so again, that's what we're talking about |
| 15:43.32 | cladhaire | so if you dont understand our legal system, pleae don't pretend you do |
| 15:43.36 | KriLL3 | is US and EU TOS different? |
| 15:43.37 | cladhaire | its infuriating. |
| 15:43.46 | Thrae | purl, copyright is All works, artistic to programmatic, are protected by copyright by their original creator, even if no particular license is stated. Copyright law is not designed or intended to cover the actual idea, concepts, facts, styles, or techniques which may be embodied or represented. If you wish to include, change, or otherwise alter someone else's non-commercial work, try to at least use a best-faith effort at contactin |
| 15:43.46 | purl | Thrae: okay |
| 15:43.49 | KriLL3 | well your legal system doesn't affect me |
| 15:43.56 | Thrae | ~copyright |
| 15:43.56 | purl | somebody said copyright was All works, artistic to programmatic, are protected by copyright by their original creator, even if no particular license is stated. Copyright law is not designed or intended to cover the actual idea, concepts, facts, styles, or techniques which may be embodied or represented. If you wish to include, change, or otherwise alter someone ... |
| 15:44.02 | Thrae | Too long |
| 15:44.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | can't you make it cover multiple lines? |
| 15:44.32 | cladhaire | KriLL3: Well, we're talking about our legal system |
| 15:44.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | using like <reply>i like tacos || <reply> also burritos |
| 15:44.42 | cladhaire | and SUPRISE! We're not in your country, so we can't answer questinos about your legal system |
| 15:44.42 | Thrae | purl, no copyright is All works, artistic to programmatic, are protected by copyright by their original creator, even if no particular license is stated. If you wish to include, change, or otherwise alter someone else's non-commercial work, try to at least use a best-faith effort at contacting them, and give credit where credit is due. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright. |
| 15:44.43 | purl | okay, Thrae |
| 15:44.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | or something like that |
| 15:44.45 | cladhaire | so please just stop |
| 15:44.54 | Thrae | ~copyright |
| 15:44.55 | purl | from memory, copyright is All works, artistic to programmatic, are protected by copyright by their original creator, even if no particular license is stated. If you wish to include, change, or otherwise alter someone else's non-commercial work, try to at least use a best-faith effort at contacting them, and give credit where credit is due. See ... |
| 15:45.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't know if the EU ToS is different, but likely not very |
| 15:45.44 | cladhaire | Thrae: did you even check ~copyright before you overwrote it? |
| 15:46.06 | Thrae | cladhaire: Yes, it wasn't defined. |
| 15:46.11 | cladhaire | Thrae: okay =) |
| 15:46.17 | Thrae | Hence why the first one was "purl, copyright is" |
| 15:46.32 | cladhaire | regardless, violating the ToS traditionally isn't a criminal act, its merely a contract between yoruself and Blizzard regarding your conduct and the actions Blizzard can take against you if you violate. |
| 15:46.45 | cladhaire | okay, just wanted to make sure |
| 15:47.59 | Thrae | Hmmm, how do I make purl spam more... |
| 15:48.13 | cladhaire | you don't |
| 15:48.17 | cladhaire | it was getting bad to begin with |
| 15:49.47 | Thrae | ~literal copyright |
| 15:49.48 | purl | "copyright" is "Under the WTO's TRIPS, all creative works are protected under copyright law by their original creator, even if no particular license is stated. If you wish to include, change, or otherwise alter someone else's non-commercial work, try to at least use a best-faith effort at contacting them, and give credit where credit is due. See ... |
| 15:49.58 | cladhaire | Thrae.. |
| 15:50.05 | Thrae | That's good enough. |
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| 15:51.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | i think you can send her commands via pm |
| 15:51.44 | Thrae | I sent her many PMs already, just showing it publicly to make sure I didn't say anything stupid in it. |
| 15:54.53 | Thrae | http://www.kgw.com/news-local/stories/kgw_061007_news_drinking_toilet_water.3598ea6d.html |
| 15:58.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | pfft |
| 15:58.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | a little bacteria never hurt anyone |
| 15:59.01 | Fin | you know, you can set factoids via /msg |
| 15:59.05 | Fin | (FYI) |
| 15:59.09 | Thrae | There was one professor who was showing that cell phones, on average, contain about 100,000+ different types of bacteria. |
| 15:59.20 | Thrae | Fin: Yeah, that's what I used after the first time |
| 15:59.28 | Fin | kk |
| 15:59.37 | KriLL3 | Thrae: I doubt that claim |
| 15:59.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | still probably less than your hands |
| 16:00.02 | Fin | and your eyebrows |
| 16:00.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | personally, being afraid of bacteria like that is just dumb :X |
| 16:00.23 | Thrae | http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/cellphones/cellphone-bacteria-warning-not-for-the-squeamish-191957.php |
| 16:00.36 | KriLL3 | as penn & teller found out, your ass is cleaner than your hands, so rub asses instead of shaking hands |
| 16:00.36 | Thrae | http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Health/story?id=2273311 <-- this is where I heard it first |
| 16:00.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | s/be/i think be/ |
| 16:01.02 | Thrae | Just because cell phones are filthy doesn't mean your hands aren't filthier ;) |
| 16:01.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | our immune systems can handle it pretty well |
| 16:01.24 | KriLL3 | and the more you fight bacteria the more immune varieties emerge |
| 16:01.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | and if it can't, there's always antibiotics |
| 16:01.45 | KriLL3 | Mr_Rabies2: which doesn't work against some new bugs |
| 16:01.58 | Thrae | Oops, sorry |
| 16:02.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | well, if it doesn't then there's not much use worrying about it |
| 16:02.19 | Thrae | Not 1000,000+, 10,000,000+ bacteria on average on cell phones |
| 16:02.31 | Thrae | The filthiest phone was at 50,000,000 different types of bacteria |
| 16:02.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | either your body will handle it, antibiotics will, or you're screwed |
| 16:02.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | no use worrying about them if you're screwed anyway |
| 16:02.48 | KriLL3 | Thrae: kinds I very much doubt, total, yes, possibly |
| 16:03.10 | Thrae | Sorry, not different, total. |
| 16:03.14 | Thrae | "He has somewhere between 10 and 50 million bacteria on his phone. If there is ever a new life form on this planet, it will be on this phone." |
| 16:03.15 | KriLL3 | yeah |
| 16:03.27 | KriLL3 | that was making me skeptical |
| 16:03.49 | KriLL3 | hard to have 50,000,000 types of bacteria on a single surface, they would battle to the death =P |
| 16:03.58 | Thrae | My cell phone is smart. It contains intelligent bacteria! |
| 16:04.07 | Thrae | "Smart phone". |
| 16:04.25 | KriLL3 | what modern phone isn't a smartphone? |
| 16:04.38 | Thrae | It is interesting to see that cell phones are dirtier then toilets -- dispels a lot of myths about toilets. |
| 16:04.53 | KriLL3 | toilets are cleaner than tables/floors |
| 16:04.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | well, they wouldn't be if toilets weren't cleaned so often |
| 16:05.07 | KriLL3 | and your ass + groin are cleaner than your hands |
| 16:05.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | i bet if you checked out the local scumbag trucker stop's bathroom it'd be pretty bad |
| 16:05.28 | Thrae | If you take daily showers, that is |
| 16:05.57 | Thrae | I wash my hands at least 20 times per day, but shower once a week. |
| 16:05.59 | Thrae | So there. |
| 16:06.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | damn |
| 16:06.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | OCD much |
| 16:06.42 | KriLL3 | Just because something smells/is filthy doesn't mean it contains a lot of bacteria |
| 16:07.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | generally speaking, the smell tends to COME from bacteria's waste products |
| 16:07.12 | KriLL3 | urine is way up on the pH scale, it can't harbor bacteria that well |
| 16:07.12 | Thrae | Uhh, I think the general definition of filthiness is the quality, not the look ;) |
| 16:07.30 | KriLL3 | soap and urine is about the same pH |
| 16:07.31 | Thrae | Urine isn't filthy, it's sterile. It's not -pleasant- either. |
| 16:07.57 | KriLL3 | most bacteria in poo can't survive in room temperature |
| 16:08.03 | Thrae | Raise your hand if you think KriLL3 has a feces/urine fetish. |
| 16:08.17 | KriLL3 | my bathroom is shiny |
| 16:09.03 | KriLL3 | just saying that bacteria isn't always linked to state of dirtiness |
| 16:10.29 | KriLL3 | mythbusters did a good episode where they swabbed stuff and checked for bacteria |
| 16:11.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | worrying about it's just dumb as long as you've got a healthy immune system |
| 16:11.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | if something's supressing your system for some reason or another, i undestand |
| 16:12.23 | KriLL3 | very rare that I get sick, got a minor cold last time when I had an inflamed foot, bro brought home the cold going around at that time and I got it |
| 16:12.24 | Fin | bacteria are healthy, they're essential |
| 16:12.48 | Fin | just not in big clumps |
| 16:12.49 | KriLL3 | Fin: yes, and the more "evil" bacteria you are exposed to the better your immune system can handle the next one |
| 16:12.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah, when you go on antibiotics for too long you can get all kindsa nasty stuff that bacteria helps prevent |
| 16:13.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | namely fungi |
| 16:13.24 | KriLL3 | many kids that aren't let out in nature end up getting tons of illnesses because their systems haven't gotten used to fighting germs |
| 16:13.25 | Fin | bacteria do all sorts of stuff, I won't pretend to know much about it, but they're not all bad |
| 16:13.43 | foxlit | Bah, I need to fix my unitframes to another event dispatch model |
| 16:13.44 | KriLL3 | Fin: there are several symbiotic bacteria the body uses |
| 16:13.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | they're the reason we have cheese and alcohol |
| 16:13.47 | Fin | eg, yoghurt |
| 16:13.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | and yogurt |
| 16:14.01 | KriLL3 | yes, tons of bacteria in your gut that helps with digestion |
| 16:14.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | thats another thing that tends to happen on antibiotics |
| 16:14.20 | KriLL3 | without them you wouldn't survive |
| 16:14.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | your digestive system gets all screwy |
| 16:14.44 | KriLL3 | funny thing is that the same bacteria that help us digest food while alive eat us when we die |
| 16:14.59 | KriLL3 | it's what makes you decompose even in a metal coffin welded shut |
| 16:15.18 | KriLL3 | your bowls are liquid after a couple of weeks |
| 16:16.06 | zenzelezz | think I found the copyright discussion more fun than this |
| 16:16.19 | KriLL3 | monks in ancient china ate a lethal dose of arsenic just before they would have died of old age, thus purging their system of those bacteria, making their mummies last a lot longer |
| 16:17.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | hrm |
| 16:17.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | new white stripes album |
| 16:19.04 | KriLL3 | sucks that my taste of music isn't even sold here, have to find out for myself when new stuff comes out |
| 16:20.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | doesn't matter if mine is or not |
| 16:21.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | i haven't bought an album in about 5 years |
| 16:21.14 | KriLL3 | more for me |
| 16:21.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | most of mine's not though |
| 16:21.41 | KriLL3 | my fav DJ release all his mixes on his website for free |
| 16:21.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's cheesy power metal |
| 16:22.06 | KriLL3 | he puts them there as advertising, and gets his money from live performances in clubs |
| 16:22.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's my favorite genre/subgenre/whatever |
| 16:22.16 | KriLL3 | win/win |
| 16:22.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | power metal |
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| 16:22.42 | KriLL3 | I like nightwish, guess that's operatic metal |
| 16:22.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't care if the vocals are cheesy as hell, the music's awesome and it's not the crappy grunting of black metal |
| 16:22.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | nightwish is pretty good |
| 16:23.00 | zenzelezz | I can never manage to specify genres. I divide music into two categories, the ones I like and the ones I don't |
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| 16:23.56 | KriLL3 | Well trance is a very loose genre, if the author says what he does is trance it is more or less, but there are about 20 sub versions, from melodic and vocal to progressive and hard etc |
| 16:24.18 | KriLL3 | ranging in sound from dance to rave |
| 16:25.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | power metal's like crazy scandinavian music meets iron maiden-ish vocals, more or less |
| 16:25.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | s/music/metal/ |
| 16:25.48 | KriLL3 | there isn't one kind of Scandinavian music =P |
| 16:26.03 | zenzelezz | sure there is |
| 16:26.13 | KriLL3 | ... I meant there is more than one kind |
| 16:26.20 | zenzelezz | ask any south-European/American and they think we all listen to death metal |
| 16:26.21 | cladhaire | 8-Ball says: "Ask me again later" |
| 16:26.28 | zenzelezz | ... |
| 16:26.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | O_o |
| 16:26.44 | Fin | ~8ball do I win? |
| 16:26.50 | purl | Absolutely. |
| 16:26.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | HAY GUYS I HEAR U LIEK LORDI TEHYR AWSOME AMIRITE |
| 16:27.06 | zenzelezz | ask 8-ball for some female advice |
| 16:27.06 | cladhaire | 8-Ball says: "Who knows." |
| 16:27.08 | KriLL3 | I hate eurovision anything |
| 16:27.18 | zenzelezz | hm, that actually looks like a valid response |
| 16:27.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm not a big fan of electronica in general |
| 16:27.38 | Fin | well purl certainly does, doncha girl? |
| 16:27.39 | KriLL3 | I am |
| 16:27.44 | Fin | ~botsnack |
| 16:27.44 | purl | aw, gee, Fin |
| 16:27.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | i like some tiesto, and E Nomine |
| 16:27.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | but that's about it |
| 16:27.57 | KriLL3 | well, electronica is a super broad definition, I like parts of it |
| 16:28.08 | KriLL3 | tiesto is house/club/trance |
| 16:28.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | E nomine really defies subgenres |
| 16:28.30 | Kaso | "Adobe Dreamweaver", it just sounds so wrong >.< |
| 16:28.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | they're just... different |
| 16:28.38 | zenzelezz | so does Adobe Flash |
| 16:28.39 | KriLL3 | Kaso: =P |
| 16:28.49 | KriLL3 | better than Adobe Fireworks |
| 16:28.57 | Kaso | oh Macromedia, how i miss thee. |
| 16:28.59 | KriLL3 | or is that still in there somwhere? lurking |
| 16:29.13 | zenzelezz | In quiet contemplation, Zenzio mourns the loss of Allaire/Macromedia/Adobe HomeSite. |
| 16:29.14 | KriLL3 | Fireworks... *shudder* |
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| 16:29.43 | Kaso | whats wrong with fireworks? |
| 16:29.54 | zenzelezz | they're dangerous to your eyes |
| 16:29.58 | Kaso | heh |
| 16:30.03 | KriLL3 | the application |
| 16:30.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://youtube.com/watch?v=zQHFVOdJbXU |
| 16:30.09 | KriLL3 | Macromedia Fireworks |
| 16:30.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | :o |
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| 16:30.24 | KriLL3 | was a cheap ass photoshop knockoff |
| 16:30.41 | KriLL3 | horrible beyond the english language to convey |
| 16:30.46 | Kaso | naah, fireworks aint for editing pictures, if you try to use it for that then it will suck |
| 16:30.57 | KriLL3 | I use photoshop for everything |
| 16:31.06 | Kaso | Fireworks is for graphics more then photos. |
| 16:31.07 | KriLL3 | editing images, illustrations, creating original stuff |
| 16:31.21 | KriLL3 | I do graphics in photoshop |
| 16:33.05 | zenzelezz | help a nub about, what's the difference between editing graphics and photos? My knowledge stops just beyond cropping pictures |
| 16:34.00 | KriLL3 | in high school the computers had Photoshop 7 installed but the book we had cowered Fireworks so our teacher wanted us all to use it, all of the guys in the class that had prior experience in photoshop cried out in anger, pain and denial, and then were silent. Something horrible had happened. |
| 16:34.01 | N00bZXI | (to my limited knowledge) Graphics you generally create using a program, photos you take in real life |
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| 16:34.42 | KriLL3 | graphics are usually shapes with effects or similar, photos are stuff you take in real life as said |
| 16:34.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | isn't uhh |
| 16:35.06 | KriLL3 | graphics are simpler since you got more basic elements to manipulate, photos are more complex since they have all kinds of elements |
| 16:35.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | dammit i can't think of the adobe graphics-making programmy thingy |
| 16:35.22 | KriLL3 | indesign? |
| 16:35.24 | KriLL3 | ops |
| 16:35.26 | KriLL3 | no |
| 16:35.26 | N00bZXI | Imageready/Photoshop? |
| 16:35.26 | zenzelezz | Illustrator? |
| 16:35.31 | KriLL3 | yes illustrator |
| 16:35.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | illustrator |
| 16:35.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah |
| 16:35.42 | KriLL3 | you use that for illustrations usually |
| 16:35.50 | foxlit | Is a single entrypoint for registered events (i.e. dummy frame) more efficient than multiple frames? |
| 16:35.51 | KriLL3 | vector stuff |
| 16:35.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | isn't that the same as graphics |
| 16:35.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | :O |
| 16:36.15 | KriLL3 | well it's not as powerful as photoshop in some stuff, and you don't generally use them for the same stuff |
| 16:36.33 | KriLL3 | but yes you can make vector shapes in illustrator |
| 16:36.40 | KriLL3 | and add textures/colors etc |
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| 16:37.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | photoshop's for manipulation of stuff that's already made, whereas illustrator's better for making them, correct |
| 16:37.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | ? |
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| 16:37.21 | Thrae | Bald White Guys According to Film: Old, Racists, Evil, Vin Disel, Terrorists, Basketball Players, Rappers (last two seen rarely) |
| 16:37.36 | KriLL3 | naw, I make original stuff in photoshop |
| 16:37.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | don't forget jason statham thrae |
| 16:37.56 | KriLL3 | depends on what your making, if it's pixel based (like textures) photoshop is a lot better |
| 16:38.16 | foxlit | wtb more code links on pastey |
| 16:38.25 | foxlit | Krill seems to have spammed them all |
| 16:38.29 | Fin | "pixel based"? |
| 16:38.30 | Thrae | Mr_Rabies2: He's more "balding", not 100% bald |
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| 16:38.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | depends on the movie :O |
| 16:38.45 | Thrae | 100% bald/shaved |
| 16:38.51 | KriLL3 | Fin: you know the diff between pixels and vectors? |
| 16:39.00 | Fin | KriLL3: do you? |
| 16:39.11 | Thrae | Well then he falls in one of the catagories above...probably the Vin Disel catagory ;) |
| 16:39.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | i still can't believe |
| 16:39.26 | KriLL3 | I've had long education in desktop publishing... so yes... |
| 16:39.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | that they chose someone OTHER than jason statham for the hitman movie |
| 16:39.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | i mean, seriously |
| 16:39.42 | Fin | KriLL3: are you a native English speaker? |
| 16:39.46 | KriLL3 | nope |
| 16:39.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | jason statham was MADE TO BE the hitman |
| 16:39.48 | KriLL3 | why? |
| 16:39.48 | Thrae | Mr_Rabies2: That reminds me -- I've always wanted to watch "Adreneline". Is it good? |
| 16:39.51 | Fin | OK, fair enough then |
| 16:40.11 | KriLL3 | It's the second of 4 languages I was thought in school |
| 16:40.15 | KriLL3 | did I make a typo? |
| 16:40.29 | Fin | because a pixel is something different |
| 16:40.42 | KriLL3 | a pixel is a 1x1 square |
| 16:40.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | uhh, i haven't seen it thrae |
| 16:40.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | you sure you're not thinking of Crank? :O |
| 16:40.57 | Thrae | Pixel -- Something on your screen. Pixey -- Something on your screen that's gay. |
| 16:41.00 | Fin | I think you mean "raster" |
| 16:41.22 | KriLL3 | Fin: nope, photoshop uses the term 700 pixels wide... |
| 16:41.34 | KriLL3 | so why refer to them as rasters? |
| 16:41.55 | Fin | I do not have the energy to argue about this; we are connected to the largest source of information ever known to humankind - look it up |
| 16:41.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | afaik raster is non-scaling graphics |
| 16:42.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | ~raster |
| 16:42.04 | purl | it has been said that raster is a seppo |
| 16:42.07 | KriLL3 | but I do know what the term rasterise(sp) means |
| 16:42.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | welp |
| 16:42.08 | Fin | haha |
| 16:42.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | that doesn't help |
| 16:42.27 | Thrae | Mr_Rabies2: Yeah, Crank. IE, "If this heartbeat travels at lower then 80mph, I'll die!" |
| 16:42.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah |
| 16:42.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | Jason statham is: |
| 16:42.43 | KriLL3 | Mr_Rabies2: I refer to that as pixel based since it is in effect a collection of pixels |
| 16:42.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | THE BUS FROM SPEED |
| 16:42.49 | KriLL3 | so did all my teachers by the way |
| 16:42.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | i have a gif of that somewhere |
| 16:42.58 | KriLL3 | and some of them have spent years in the biz |
| 16:42.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | i need to find it |
| 16:43.01 | Fin | "raster is a seppo", classic |
| 16:43.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't even know what a seppo is but it sounds australian |
| 16:43.37 | zenzelezz | ~seppo |
| 16:43.37 | purl | i heard seppo is a septic tank, which for all you seppos is rhyming slang for yank, which is not just a New-Yorker but a genericamerican |
| 16:43.44 | zenzelezz | O_o |
| 16:43.52 | KriLL3 | seepuku? |
| 16:44.14 | Fin | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=seppo |
| 16:44.17 | KriLL3 | "Seppo is Australian rhyming slang for an American (septic tank = Yank)." |
| 16:44.40 | KriLL3 | crazy people down there |
| 16:45.29 | Thrae | Australians, what do they know -- they're prisoners left on a harsh, dry continent. |
| 16:45.47 | Thrae | They're just bitter towards everything that stems from Great Britian :D |
| 16:46.53 | KriLL3 | why would they be? it's not as if they left them there for dead or something |
| 16:47.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | dammit |
| 16:47.43 | KriLL3 | damn what? |
| 16:47.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | i can't find the gif of Jason Statham plays the bus from speed |
| 16:47.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | :x |
| 16:47.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | but yeah thrae, crank is good |
| 16:48.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | and the special effects are very well done |
| 16:48.44 | KriLL3 | I wish modern movies would be more about the plot and acting than the special effects... |
| 16:49.05 | KriLL3 | call me quaint |
| 16:50.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | entertainment > believeable characters/plot/whatever |
| 16:50.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | but the special effects are just well done, they're not super over the top at all |
| 16:50.53 | KriLL3 | I got a hard time being entertained if I'm shaking my head over the plot/acting |
| 16:51.51 | KriLL3 | I don't mind effects, I just think that some modern movies have shifted the budgets too much towards effects and leaves the other elements of the movie half done |
| 16:52.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | do you think children of men was that way? |
| 16:52.12 | KriLL3 | Haven't seen that movie |
| 16:52.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | i thought it was amazing, honestly |
| 16:52.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | there's so many long cuts |
| 16:52.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | like |
| 16:52.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | 5 minutes of no cutting |
| 16:52.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | during really complicated scenes too |
| 16:53.18 | foxlit | Under what circumstances can't I call tremove? |
| 16:53.33 | KriLL3 | one movie/show I liked that had plenty of effects was Firefly/Serenity, but the effects there are a bit rougher, some shots it's as if the cameraman is trying to stay ontop of a moving object and similar |
| 16:53.36 | Cide- | after having done /script tremove = nil ? |
| 16:53.50 | zenzelezz | I consider special effects the same way I do graphics; all good as long as they don't take first priority |
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| 16:53.58 | KriLL3 | same |
| 16:54.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://youtube.com/watch?v=6dZxdTZOcx4 |
| 16:54.07 | foxlit | Cide-, yes, but that's not the intended answer |
| 16:54.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | may be spoilers |
| 16:54.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | not sure |
| 16:54.22 | foxlit | I seem to remember some message about not being able to modify table if it's locked by something |
| 16:54.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | but the camera doesn't cut once in 6 minutes |
| 16:56.08 | KriLL3 | is there a good place to find different textures? WoW uses a dark gray background texture that looks like rough stone, I'd like that as a backdrop for my chatfame, I'm making the eePanel texture in photoshop and wondering how to put that stone slab in there |
| 16:56.13 | Fin | personally I fucking love special effects, it's why I play games like WoW |
| 16:56.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | i never get immersed in movies, so stuff designed to help immersion rarely helps |
| 16:56.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | but damn if i wasn't incredibly immersed in children of men |
| 16:57.06 | zenzelezz | Fin: so much you feel the need to curse about it? |
| 16:57.28 | Fin | zenzelezz: no, I curse as a matter of course |
| 16:57.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | he's passionate on the subject |
| 16:57.57 | KriLL3 | anyone got an answer for my question? :) |
| 16:58.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | i think part of the problem of my lack of immersion is camera movement and cuts |
| 16:58.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | it just doesn't feel real at all when the camera cuts every 20 seconds |
| 16:59.36 | KriLL3 | depth of the characters and story is important also |
| 17:00.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | they don't help me get immersed really |
| 17:00.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm constantly made aware of the fact that i'm sitting in a theater or in my living room every time the camera cuts |
| 17:00.43 | KriLL3 | weird |
| 17:01.14 | zenzelezz | movies are too short for me to care a lot about character depth; but for series I find it more important |
| 17:01.24 | zenzelezz | story always matters though |
| 17:01.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | my one gripe with series' is filler episodes |
| 17:01.49 | zenzelezz | indeed |
| 17:01.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | anime's horrible for having tons and tons of filler episodes |
| 17:02.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | to catch up with the manga, or extend the series the full 26 or 2000 episodes or whatever |
| 17:02.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm looking at you naruto/bleach |
| 17:02.31 | Thrae | Mr_Rabies2: Only anime that has like 100+ episodes (aka Bleach, One Piece, Naruto) |
| 17:02.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | even hellsing had two filler episodes |
| 17:02.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | and it was 13 episodes |
| 17:02.57 | Thrae | One of the things I love about One Piece is that it actually follows many events at once, so it's kinda slow, but still avoids fillers. |
| 17:03.12 | Thrae | It had one filler arc I think, which was anime-only. |
| 17:03.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | i can't stand one piece's character design |
| 17:03.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | same with initial d |
| 17:03.31 | Thrae | What, too cartoony? |
| 17:03.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | i can't watch either because the characters are ugly as hell |
| 17:03.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | no, cartoony doesn't bother me |
| 17:03.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | i can watch john kricfalusi stuff all day |
| 17:04.02 | Thrae | You just want everyone to be bishonen :D |
| 17:04.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | hell no :X |
| 17:04.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | i jsut don't like the art style |
| 17:04.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.madman.com.au/wallpapers/initial_d_180_1024.jpg |
| 17:05.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | art style makes me want to punch kittens |
| 17:05.34 | Thrae | That art style is different then One Piece |
| 17:05.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah, bur i dislike it |
| 17:05.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | but* |
| 17:06.00 | Thrae | One Piece is just a little surreal, Initial D's art style just sucks |
| 17:06.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | just like i dislike one piece's |
| 17:06.27 | zenzelezz | I've never been into anime... the closest I've come was back in high school when someone discovered True Love o_O |
| 17:06.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | i like old school dragonball's art style, but hate Z and GT |
| 17:07.42 | KriLL3 | is there a good place to find different textures? WoW uses a dark gray background texture that looks like rough stone, I'd like that as a backdrop for my chatfame, I'm making the eePanel texture in photoshop and wondering how to put that stone slab in there |
| 17:08.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | i dunno, |
| 17:08.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | discord used to be awesome for that |
| 17:08.27 | KriLL3 | key word: "used to" |
| 17:08.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | then lozareth burned out enough to stop caring but not enough to tell anyone he's done |
| 17:09.05 | KriLL3 | hmm, the official wow wallpapers have borders with nice texture... |
| 17:09.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | isn't there like |
| 17:09.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | "skinner" or something |
| 17:09.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | i dunno |
| 17:12.00 | N00bZXI | Skinner reskins default UI with gradients |
| 17:12.24 | KriLL3 | wow needs textures not gradients imo |
| 17:12.42 | N00bZXI | IMO the only thing that looks better with it are statusbars, everything else is just as bad |
| 17:13.19 | N00bZXI | Some people really like it though |
| 17:13.40 | KriLL3 | Some people eat at McD |
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| 17:16.57 | KriLL3 | btw, N00bZXI I'm still adding code to the addon you helped me start :) http://wowi.pastey.net/56978 |
| 17:17.09 | KriLL3 | 199 lines now |
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| 17:24.57 | krka | awesome code |
| 17:25.12 | krka | not at all too much repetition |
| 17:25.20 | KriLL3 | nope, none what so ever |
| 17:25.44 | KriLL3 | I don't see a way around that repetition though |
| 17:28.03 | wobin_ | There are a few ways... |
| 17:29.05 | [dRaCo] | something like a constructor for those frames'd help |
| 17:34.59 | N00bZXI | I'm not sure you can show/hide those bars |
| 17:35.01 | N00bZXI | in combat |
| 17:35.10 | KriLL3 | can't |
| 17:35.50 | KriLL3 | that is why I don't hide all bars I need using this, some of them are just paged to an empty bar |
| 17:36.22 | krka | http://wowi.pastey.net/56980 |
| 17:36.27 | krka | slightly shorter |
| 17:37.30 | N00bZXI | might want to make function newFrame local |
| 17:37.46 | krka | right, that too |
| 17:38.57 | KriLL3 | on 32, aren't all supposed to be hide? |
| 17:39.05 | N00bZXI | Also you can change slash to this |
| 17:39.09 | N00bZXI | http://wowi.pastey.net/56982 |
| 17:39.22 | wobin_ | I had http://wowi.pastey.net/56983 |
| 17:39.37 | krka | KriLL3: yeah, good observation |
| 17:39.47 | krka | i just moved code around, bound to be bugs |
| 17:40.31 | wobin_ | The PEW and Shapeshift code is essentially the same, right? |
| 17:40.41 | krka | N00bZXI: you're missing a "end" i think |
| 17:41.01 | N00bZXI | krka: right |
| 17:41.20 | krka | wobin_: you're still setting OnEvent twice :) |
| 17:41.34 | wobin_ | krka: nah, I just stopped optimising at that point =) |
| 17:41.43 | krka | good thinkign |
| 17:42.06 | wobin_ | try http://wowi.pastey.net/56984 |
| 17:42.30 | krka | hm wobin, you're creating a table on each event? |
| 17:43.00 | wobin_ | We could store it in an upvalue I guess? |
| 17:43.13 | wobin_ | I can never tell with upvalues unless I test it |
| 17:45.17 | wobin_ | but you're right, you might as well just call them straight off |
| 17:46.27 | wobin_ | just do what krka did =) |
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| 17:48.28 | Dotted | cide ping |
| 17:48.34 | Cide | pong |
| 17:48.38 | Dotted | pming |
| 17:48.47 | sysrage | anybody ever answer me earlier? how much mana and crit does 30 int give a 70 mage? |
| 17:49.02 | N00bZXI | To my knowledge 300mp |
| 17:49.07 | N00bZXI | Not sure bout crit |
| 17:53.06 | KriLL3 | does this look good? http://wowi.pastey.net/56985-4fec |
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| 17:53.29 | KriLL3 | changed some stuff, like not hiding bar 1 and 2 automatically, since I don't like the thought of doing that in combat |
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| 17:54.05 | KriLL3 | I keep my combat spells in those 2 bars |
| 17:54.18 | N00bZXI | You can't show/hide actionbars in-combat with just :Show() and :Hide() |
| 17:54.22 | N00bZXI | They're secure frames |
| 17:54.40 | KriLL3 | I know |
| 17:54.52 | KriLL3 | thus why I don't do that with bar 1 and 2 |
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| 17:55.14 | KriLL3 | they are "hidden" by being paged to an empty bar |
| 17:55.19 | KriLL3 | except in flight |
| 17:55.50 | KriLL3 | N00bZXI: you said that code missed a local somewhere, where? |
| 17:56.15 | KriLL3 | sorry for being hopeless, but I started writing this language yesterday =P |
| 17:56.39 | KriLL3 | It's quite close to actionscript/javascript though |
| 17:56.39 | Cide | hence why you shouldn't make an addon like that |
| 17:56.44 | Cide | www.lua.org/pil |
| 17:56.47 | Cide | read |
| 17:56.59 | wobin_ | The whole secureframe business is ... confusing =P |
| 17:57.10 | wobin_ | even for people who have been writing addons for a while |
| 17:57.20 | zenzelezz | there are exceptions; but generally if you start with something advanced, you'll just get overwhelmed |
| 17:58.12 | wobin_ | actionbar addons are generally of the more complex level |
| 17:59.06 | KriLL3 | Cide: well I got it to work with "only" partial help, and I was able to build on it from there, it's not pretty but it works and it doesn't update other than player world entry and shapeshift, so it doesn't suck resources. |
| 18:00.05 | Cide | of course, it's all still a result of kind people in here |
| 18:00.10 | KriLL3 | I'm a hobbyist, not a pro. |
| 18:00.21 | KriLL3 | I don't deny that and never have. |
| 18:00.41 | KriLL3 | I've always had more success learning stuff this way than using a textbook/website |
| 18:01.01 | Cide | oh, you mean by leeching off other people? nice to know |
| 18:01.12 | KriLL3 | no, mutual sharing of knowledge |
| 18:01.16 | Cide | mutual, huh |
| 18:01.21 | Cide | what knowledge have you shared? |
| 18:01.28 | KriLL3 | I didn't demand to be told, they helped me because they wished to |
| 18:01.39 | Cide | I wouldn't call that mutual |
| 18:01.49 | Cide | you're showing respect by doing your homework before coming in here |
| 18:01.54 | KriLL3 | Cide: not that much in here since I'm a newbie at this, but I do share in other stuff I know more about |
| 18:02.19 | Cide | KriLL3: so in this case, where you don't know much, you're leeching off other people |
| 18:02.35 | Cide | luckily for you, other people in here are more kind than I am |
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| 18:02.43 | wobin_ | You have to leech to start off with before you get the ratio to seed =) |
| 18:02.52 | KriLL3 | ^^ |
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| 18:02.54 | Cide | I'd disagree |
| 18:03.14 | KriLL3 | Cide: you're bitter and grumpy, not our fault. |
| 18:03.28 | Cide | eh, possibly |
| 18:03.35 | N00bZXI | KriLL3: You should read that, it'll answer almost all questions you'll have regarding syntax |
| 18:03.36 | Cide | doesn't mean I'm not right, however |
| 18:03.39 | zenzelezz | getting help is one thing; but sometimes you're asking a bit too often |
| 18:04.24 | KriLL3 | N00bZXI: already reading |
| 18:05.00 | Cide | KriLL3: most people in here are indeed kinder than I am |
| 18:05.25 | Cide | on the other hand, I might be able to help when others aren't, so hey, we all play our part |
| 18:05.26 | KriLL3 | you haven't done anything other than bash me since I entered the channel, so yeah... |
| 18:05.48 | clad|afk | ... |
| 18:06.11 | clad|afk | KriLL3: And you've done nothing but tell people they're wrong since you've gotten here |
| 18:06.14 | zenzelezz | I believe Cide isn't the only one that has taken a similar attitude to you at times KriLL3 |
| 18:06.16 | clad|afk | not exactly the right foot to step off on. |
| 18:06.40 | cladhaire | and if you haven't read pil, you need to |
| 18:07.02 | KriLL3 | zenzelezz: This is who I am, take it or leave it. =P |
| 18:07.20 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Cide- (i=Cide@hus110a.bobbnet.com) |
| 18:07.36 | Cide- | see, KriLL3, I don't mind helping |
| 18:07.37 | cladhaire | all you are is arguing with people who know more than you do, telling them they are wrong, and not reading the resources people ask you to before asking a question? |
| 18:07.38 | Cide- | at all |
| 18:07.40 | Cide- | but I do ask for some help in return |
| 18:07.41 | KriLL3 | am I obnoxious? perhaps. |
| 18:07.47 | *** topic/#wowi-lounge by Cairenn -> #wowi-lounge: Paste Code Here: http://wowi.pastey.net | 2.1 Toc: 20100 | RTFPN please | Channel Rules: Treat each other with respect and courtesy, or leave. |
| 18:07.59 | Cairenn | see it seems that needs to be re-state |
| 18:08.00 | Thunder_Child | ~poke Cairenn |
| 18:08.00 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Cairenn, pokes Cairenn repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 18:08.06 | zenzelezz | you're wakened Cairenn KriLL3, now you should worry |
| 18:08.10 | Josh_Borke | purl, hug Cairenn |
| 18:08.10 | purl | ACTION sneaks up on Cairenn and suddenly hugs Cairenn tightly |
| 18:08.12 | Cairenn | s/see/since/ |
| 18:08.14 | KriLL3 | Cide-: I help total newbs just because I feel like it at times |
| 18:08.15 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+v Cide] by ChanServ |
| 18:08.20 | Cide | KriLL3: I do too |
| 18:08.26 | KriLL3 | but I guess I'm odd |
| 18:08.26 | Cide | provided they do their homework |
| 18:08.31 | N00bZXI | [11:08:02]=-=Cairenn has changed the topic to “#wowi-lounge: Paste Code Here: http://wowi.pastey.net | 2.1 Toc: 20100 | RTFPN please | Channel Rules: Treat each other with respect and courtesy, or leave.†|
| 18:09.54 | cladhaire | KriLL3: I'll state this very simply. We are a very easy group of people to get along with. However, you should coming into this channel, and telling people who know more about the given subject matter that they are wrong, without anything more than an opinion to back things up. This is instigating an argument, and has no purpose here. |
| 18:09.58 | wobin_ | Who are they casting for Hitman? |
| 18:10.12 | cladhaire | KriLL3: Again, if someone passes you a resource, such as pil and ask you to read it before you come back asking more questions, I suggest you do so. |
| 18:10.21 | zenzelezz | wasn't it Vin Diesel? Last time I heard anyway... saddens me if it is |
| 18:10.40 | wobin_ | He's a bit... |
| 18:10.41 | KriLL3 | name one movie based on a game that didn't end up being horrible? |
| 18:10.44 | cladhaire | Its all called "courtesy" and we're pretty damn good at it here, when the person asking for help is willing to put the time in to help themselves get the answers |
| 18:10.57 | KriLL3 | he's too gruff for hitman, hitman is cold |
| 18:10.59 | wobin_ | I sort of see the Hitman as someone older |
| 18:11.11 | KriLL3 | older and stone cold |
| 18:11.14 | wobin_ | Vin is a bit too 'cool' |
| 18:11.24 | MoonWolf | vin is cool because he is a gamer. |
| 18:11.25 | KriLL3 | does hitman speak, ever? |
| 18:11.25 | wobin_ | and young |
| 18:11.32 | zenzelezz | yes, he speaks often |
| 18:11.36 | Thunder_Child | cladhaire, some of you are good at it, i on the otherhand am an asshole |
| 18:11.38 | KriLL3 | never seen him do in games |
| 18:11.44 | zenzelezz | most cut-scenes, some in-game |
| 18:11.45 | wobin_ | He speaks to his contact, doesn't he? |
| 18:11.57 | cladhaire | Thunder_Child: and when you an asshole, you do it knowing full well you could be kicked from the channel as a result |
| 18:12.01 | KriLL3 | but he doesn't throw one liners |
| 18:12.12 | wobin_ | Not his style =P |
| 18:12.16 | KriLL3 | vin's characters usually do |
| 18:12.18 | Thunder_Child | ....shure |
| 18:12.39 | wobin_ | well, Hitman isn't what you'd call a people person =) |
| 18:12.44 | KriLL3 | yeah |
| 18:12.55 | wobin_ | I wonder if they'll give him more of a personality |
| 18:13.09 | KriLL3 | well, he kills people... so he interacts with them occasionally |
| 18:13.14 | wobin_ | Otherwise it'll be worse than the Doom movie =P |
| 18:13.20 | zenzelezz | 47 has all the personality he needs |
| 18:13.30 | KriLL3 | my brain cannot fathom worse than doom movie |
| 18:13.49 | wobin_ | Dog Soldiers |
| 18:13.53 | MoonWolf | the doom movie was a mediocre action movie, if you forget the part where its doom. |
| 18:13.57 | wobin_ | which wins for camp hilarity |
| 18:13.58 | KriLL3 | It's as low as a movie can get, guess my brain needs a negative scale added |
| 18:14.30 | wobin_ | They're doing a Quake movie, aren't they? |
| 18:14.44 | N00bZXI | wobin_: I hope not. |
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| 18:15.23 | KriLL3 | for the love of <fictional deity of your choice or non-choice> I hope they aren't |
| 18:15.48 | wobin_ | I wonder if they could pull off a convincing System Shock 2 movie |
| 18:16.04 | KriLL3 | the whole of ID and their horrible games should be dug a grave and pushed into it, dead or not imo... |
| 18:16.16 | N00bZXI | Q3 was good. |
| 18:16.17 | wobin_ | hehe, imagine a Daikatana movie =) |
| 18:16.25 | KriLL3 | N00bZXI: how many years ago was that? =P |
| 18:16.28 | wobin_ | Duke Nukem? |
| 18:16.45 | N00bZXI | KriLL3: Dunno, but me and RL friends still play it LAN sometimes. |
| 18:16.54 | KriLL3 | ID has made plenty of games after Duke and Q3, none of which worth their weight in plastic |
| 18:17.02 | KriLL3 | N00bZXI: I'm an Unrealer. |
| 18:17.16 | N00bZXI | We play ut99 sometimes as well. |
| 18:17.32 | wobin_ | night all |
| 18:17.47 | KriLL3 | I never got into quake, played unreal first and then thought quake felt too floaty etc |
| 18:18.09 | KriLL3 | might have been different if I was exposed to them in a different order or at the same time |
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| 18:18.44 | N00bZXI | Dunno, for me ut2004 felt too floaty. |
| 18:18.51 | Cairenn | night wobin_ |
| 18:19.01 | N00bZXI | night |
| 18:19.03 | KriLL3 | UT2003 felt a bit floaty, but I got used to it, 2004 is a lot tigher than 2003 |
| 18:19.48 | KriLL3 | but I'm using a nostromo so it's different for me |
| 18:21.08 | KriLL3 | use the same nostromo in wow :> |
| 18:21.28 | N00bZXI | After playing ut99/q3 I had trouble aiming with some weapons in ut2004 |
| 18:22.06 | N00bZXI | Mainly flak cannon/minigun/biorifle. |
| 18:23.22 | KriLL3 | yeah, changed from 99 to 2003 and then again slightly in 2004 |
| 18:23.42 | KriLL3 | wasn't hard for me since I stoppled playing UT when the UT2003 beta came out |
| 18:23.59 | KriLL3 | and 2003 to 2004 was a much smaller change in weapons |
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| 18:25.39 | sag_ich_nicht | another flamewar? :O |
| 18:25.50 | cladhaire | always |
| 18:26.05 | KriLL3 | I got publicly stoned for asking questions. |
| 18:26.09 | sag_ich_nicht | lol |
| 18:26.42 | sag_ich_nicht | i still want ckknight and AnduinLothar to both go to blizzcon and shake hands(and I want a picture of that). |
| 18:27.02 | KriLL3 | which hand will start bleeding first you think? |
| 18:27.18 | AnduinLothar | i didn't act fast enough to get a ticket |
| 18:28.03 | sag_ich_nicht | i don't know. i image at some point Kenco would walk up out of nothing and catch ckknight's attention. |
| 18:28.07 | KriLL3 | be glad you can get one, blizzard hasn't done their gigs outside the US to my knowledge... |
| 18:28.19 | sag_ich_nicht | KriLL3: well, south korea. |
| 18:28.32 | KriLL3 | that's even further away =P |
| 18:29.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | probably closer than cali |
| 18:29.59 | Kaydeethree | oh wow. what brought this /topic back? |
| 18:30.09 | zenzelezz | scroll up |
| 18:30.22 | zenzelezz | about two or three page-ups on 1024x768 |
| 18:30.46 | KriLL3 | I run a my client in a small window |
| 18:31.24 | ckknight | I don't have a ticket either |
| 18:31.29 | ckknight | I'd shake AnduinLothar's hand |
| 18:31.38 | ckknight | unless he was like, gross, or something |
| 18:33.01 | KriLL3 | had on very high volume and all of a sudden the radio switches to a song with a girl moaning as it's start... |
| 18:33.03 | KriLL3 | nice... |
| 18:33.21 | MentalPower|ZzzZ | KriLL3: please don't spam the channel with that |
| 18:33.32 | KriLL3 | I've done it once, yes plenty of spam |
| 18:33.49 | KriLL3 | it's a manual command I only do when I need it, I would have written the song title otherwise |
| 18:34.15 | KriLL3 | I've been chan op long enough to know that auto reporting of your music isn't something people appreciate |
| 18:34.29 | MentalPower | the word spam has two meanings, similar yes, but distinct in a very subtle way |
| 18:36.28 | krka | is one of them a sort of meat? |
| 18:36.29 | Dotted | MentalPower ping |
| 18:36.38 | MentalPower | Dotted: pong! |
| 18:36.39 | KriLL3 | canned meat actually |
| 18:36.48 | MentalPower | make that three then |
| 18:37.05 | KriLL3 | have you ever eaten spam? Don't it tastes horrible |
| 18:37.43 | Dotted | pm MentalPower |
| 18:49.22 | ckknight | KriLL3: the locals eat it all the time. And they wonder why the state has highest incidence of diabetes in the country... |
| 18:51.02 | KriLL3 | ckknight: self canceling habit it would seem |
| 18:52.15 | ckknight | no, they're just leeches on the health system |
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| 18:56.12 | sag_ich_nicht | uh |
| 18:56.20 | sag_ich_nicht | what healthsystem? |
| 18:56.27 | sag_ich_nicht | the US doesn't really have one :P |
| 18:57.18 | ckknight | in Hawaii, everyone is treated, no matter what |
| 18:57.21 | ckknight | little known secret |
| 18:57.39 | KriLL3 | how does people that need motorized carts at walmart survive without health care? enough preservatives stored in their tissues to be impervious to must diseases? |
| 18:57.40 | ckknight | lots of liberal laws in this state allowing that |
| 18:57.49 | ckknight | it's a huge drain on estate taxes and the like |
| 18:58.27 | KriLL3 | well don't you think medical care shouldn't be universal and free? |
| 18:58.51 | KriLL3 | *should |
| 18:58.53 | KriLL3 | ... |
| 18:58.55 | ckknight | hell no |
| 18:59.04 | ckknight | <--- Libertarian |
| 18:59.06 | foxlit | "No, those bloody smokers shouldn't be benefiting from my taxes" |
| 18:59.13 | ckknight | right, foxlit |
| 18:59.15 | KriLL3 | so you think it's a good thing to be paying money to keep alive? |
| 18:59.21 | ckknight | yes |
| 18:59.32 | ckknight | it shouldn't be government or my neighbor's responsibility |
| 19:00.25 | KriLL3 | so if you had a freak accident and need surgery and can't afford it right there and then you should be left to die? |
| 19:00.45 | foxlit | *cough*insurance*cough* |
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| 19:02.09 | ckknight | yea, I have health insurance |
| 19:02.31 | krka | it's funny how liberal i usa means what we call socialist here |
| 19:02.47 | krka | instead you have to say libertarian to mean what we call liberal |
| 19:03.00 | ckknight | krka: yea, liberals in America stole our word |
| 19:03.05 | ckknight | while ago |
| 19:03.29 | ckknight | aside from that, KriLL3, I'm sure my family would get together to help pay |
| 19:03.41 | ckknight | but government doesn't enter the picture there, either |
| 19:04.32 | KriLL3 | I'm sorry but It's a hard thing to make someone that has lived with free healthcare all his life to reject it. |
| 19:05.59 | ckknight | *shrug* then don't expect me to want it, is all |
| 19:06.09 | KriLL3 | and yes I've made use of it, fell and smashed my upper jaw into a wind surfing board, lost 1 tooth and my 2 front teeth where pointing 45 degrees inwards, nice to be rushed to the hospital without being charged for it. |
| 19:06.11 | foxlit | It's not _free_ |
| 19:06.13 | ckknight | you can do whatever you want in your country |
| 19:06.28 | KriLL3 | foxlit: nope it's paid by taxes, instead of insurance. |
| 19:06.41 | foxlit | So that's mandatory insurance from a single vendor. |
| 19:06.42 | foxlit | Good? |
| 19:06.52 | ckknight | government monopoly is not a good thing, imho |
| 19:07.01 | KriLL3 | some stuff like healthcare and military is better kept in the hands of the state |
| 19:07.29 | KriLL3 | imo |
| 19:07.33 | foxlit | Mother should I trust the government? |
| 19:07.48 | foxlit | (Mother should I run for president?) |
| 19:07.55 | KriLL3 | you shouldn't, especially the American one. |
| 19:08.17 | ckknight | why is the American one less trustworthy than any other government? or government in general? |
| 19:09.00 | KriLL3 | signing statements and vetos, un-democratic, campaign money (bribes) etc etc. |
| 19:09.30 | KriLL3 | most governments has some kind of accountability |
| 19:09.45 | ckknight | and other governments don't have beaurocracy? |
| 19:09.47 | ckknight | :-P |
| 19:10.03 | KriLL3 | all do, but most aren't quite that corrupt |
| 19:10.27 | KriLL3 | hurts the US to have a only 2 major parties, most nations have plenty more and thus a wider debate and more choices |
| 19:10.39 | foxlit | Haha |
| 19:10.50 | KriLL3 | this isn't the time nor the place for a political discussion though |
| 19:10.54 | ckknight | I do disagree with the 2-party system and the Australian ballot |
| 19:11.48 | foxlit | Some of the political parties around here are separated by whether they want sugar with coffee or not. |
| 19:12.10 | nevcairiel | thats a disturbing topic. |
| 19:12.25 | KriLL3 | I don't know that much about denmark, I know it's flat, windy and mostly based on sand that is moving into the ocean... |
| 19:12.38 | KriLL3 | nevcairiel: can I page bars using commands? |
| 19:12.52 | foxlit | ./changesomethingorother |
| 19:12.58 | KriLL3 | foxlit: And I'm in GBG =P |
| 19:13.14 | nevcairiel | paging is only based around states |
| 19:13.19 | KriLL3 | made use of your beaches a couple of times, don't know the people or the politics though. |
| 19:13.20 | nevcairiel | you cant really manually enforce it |
| 19:13.33 | KriLL3 | nevcairiel: could you add all other druid states? :> |
| 19:13.49 | ckknight | GBG? |
| 19:14.06 | KriLL3 | Gothenburg, Danish people know what it is. |
| 19:14.25 | foxlit | The assumption that I'm Danish is a logical falacy. |
| 19:14.35 | KriLL3 | tele.dk ? |
| 19:14.46 | foxlit | And? :) |
| 19:15.04 | KriLL3 | "foxlit <n=me@0x573e6bae.albnxx18.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk>" |
| 19:15.09 | KriLL3 | should mean you're danish |
| 19:15.17 | wereHamster | no |
| 19:15.20 | nevcairiel | or at least use danish internet |
| 19:15.42 | foxlit | Means the box connected to freenode on my behalf is using a danish ISP, more or less |
| 19:15.48 | KriLL3 | rare for an ISP to offer their services abroad |
| 19:15.58 | KriLL3 | foxlit: open proxy? |
| 19:16.07 | foxlit | No, but it could be. |
| 19:16.13 | nevcairiel | it says adsl-dhcp in the host |
| 19:16.19 | nevcairiel | prolly no official open proxy |
| 19:16.47 | wereHamster | just because someone lives in denmark doesn't mean he's danish! |
| 19:16.50 | foxlit | (besides, even if so, is everyone using Swedish internet a Swede?) |
| 19:16.51 | nevcairiel | so either he is somewhere in denmark, or runs a irc client/irc proxy on a danish box |
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| 19:17.47 | wereHamster | .. we in europe have open borders, we are free to live wherever we want (I don't live in the country I was born in) |
| 19:18.14 | ckknight | woo, America! |
| 19:18.18 | KriLL3 | not all European nations are part of the EU ;) |
| 19:18.37 | nevcairiel | but way too many now .. |
| 19:18.37 | nevcairiel | ^^ |
| 19:18.57 | KriLL3 | they will mature with time |
| 19:19.07 | wereHamster | KriLL3, .. and one will never be, that's where I live :) |
| 19:19.10 | KriLL3 | same as the south/center of the US will degrade with time =P |
| 19:19.21 | KriLL3 | wereHamster: norway? |
| 19:19.39 | wereHamster | there's yet another one :) |
| 19:19.39 | Josh_Borke | wereHamster: who'd wanna live there anyway? :-P you live there :-P |
| 19:19.52 | KriLL3 | Swiss? |
| 19:19.57 | wereHamster | yes |
| 19:20.14 | Tem | KriLL3, I'm about out of patience for you |
| 19:20.28 | KriLL3 | Norway got oil reserves, but don't spend what they gain, thus when they do use it their currency will fall like a stone... |
| 19:20.35 | KriLL3 | Tem: ? |
| 19:20.46 | Tem | I don't appreciate the jab at the south |
| 19:20.52 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 19:20.54 | Josh_Borke | yes, me neither |
| 19:21.12 | cladhaire | KriLL3: You still have not acknowledged what I said to you earlier. Did you get and comprehend what I said? |
| 19:21.12 | KriLL3 | I've seen top gear drive through Louisiana... |
| 19:21.19 | cladhaire | because you're doing a poor job of it right now. |
| 19:21.21 | cladhaire | and I'm about fed up with it. |
| 19:21.37 | Tem | although I'm fairly sure it was a lighthearted comment, I think anything you say to me is just going to piss me off more |
| 19:22.16 | Tem | long story short: I don't like you |
| 19:22.19 | KriLL3 | someone lacks a sense of humor |
| 19:22.26 | cladhaire | someone lacks basic courtesy |
| 19:22.33 | cladhaire | I'd said that since the day you stepped in here |
| 19:23.09 | Josh_Borke | KriLL3: humor can be very difficult to transmit over an electronic medium with no sense of inflection, you should be careful how and what you say, despite your intentions in saying them |
| 19:23.23 | KriLL3 | sheesh |
| 19:23.53 | KriLL3 | I'm in plenty of channels with mixed nationalities, that comment wouldn't have caused a riot anywhere else, chill... |
| 19:24.11 | cladhaire | KriLL3: Again, will you please acknowledge that you understand what I said to you earlier this morning. Continue to ignore me, and we won't be having this issue any longer. |
| 19:24.50 | cladhaire | Can someone else relay the same message, in case Im' on ignore? |
| 19:25.14 | cladhaire | Cause if he doesn't respond, based on his actions yesterday, I will remove him from this channel. I'd rather not have to do that |
| 19:25.20 | Cide | if he doesn't rely, kick him :) |
| 19:25.26 | Cide | s/rely/reply/ |
| 19:25.26 | wereHamster | americans fight already way too many wars (on terror, on drugs, on illiteracy etc), I'm sure they could manager nother one (north vs. south) :P |
| 19:25.44 | cladhaire | Cide: I will, but i accept the fact that I may be on ignore |
| 19:25.47 | cladhaire | tho I sincerely doubt it. |
| 19:25.55 | Cide | I doubt it too |
| 19:25.56 | cladhaire | so could you please relay the same message to him? |
| 19:26.20 | Josh_Borke | ~lart wereHamster |
| 19:26.20 | purl | shoves a crumpet down wereHamster's throat, happy now?! Huh? Want some JAM with that? |
| 19:26.22 | Josh_Borke | wereHamster: lol |
| 19:26.40 | sag_ich_nicht | god |
| 19:26.45 | sag_ich_nicht | cladhaire: what is this about? :O |
| 19:26.48 | cladhaire | hrm, i can't get CTCP info from him either. |
| 19:26.49 | foxlit | <cladhaire> KriLL3: Again, will you please acknowledge that you understand what I said to you earlier this morning. Continue to ignore me, and we won't be having this issue any longer. |
| 19:26.53 | cladhaire | perhaps I am being ignored. |
| 19:26.59 | Josh_Borke | i think perhaps he was dc'd? |
| 19:27.07 | Josh_Borke | krka: it's ok, we've all known you were a rotten apple |
| 19:27.09 | cladhaire | I hope so =) |
| 19:27.11 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Cide- (i=Cide@hus110a.bobbnet.com) |
| 19:27.29 | sag_ich_nicht | nope |
| 19:27.31 | Cide- | or you could just shut down my internet connection! |
| 19:27.32 | sag_ich_nicht | he's connected |
| 19:27.34 | krka | he responds to ping |
| 19:27.36 | KriLL3 | cladhaire: ignore removed, you wanted to say something to me? |
| 19:27.37 | sag_ich_nicht | has cladhaire on ignore, i cn get CTCP ping |
| 19:27.42 | sag_ich_nicht | k |
| 19:27.51 | cladhaire | KriLL3: Again, will you please acknowledge that you understand what I said to you earlier this morning. Continue to ignore me, and we won't be having this issue any longer. |
| 19:28.06 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+v Cide] by ChanServ |
| 19:28.18 | KriLL3 | sorry but I don't know what statement you're referring to, I'm not in your timezone |
| 19:28.32 | KriLL3 | It's evening here |
| 19:28.45 | cladhaire | KriLL3: I'll state this very simply. We are a very easy group of people to get along with. However, you should coming into this channel, and telling people who know more about the given subject matter that they are wrong, without anything more than an opinion to back things up. This is instigating an argument, and has no purpose here. |
| 19:28.50 | Cide | I know, and it's *gasp* 9:30pm here |
| 19:29.00 | cladhaire | KriLL3: Again, if someone passes you a resource, such as pil and ask you to read it before you come back asking more questions, I suggest you do so. |
| 19:29.04 | krka | clearly past KriLL3s bedtime ;) |
| 19:29.13 | cladhaire | Its all called "courtesy" and we're pretty damn good at it here, when the person asking for help is willing to put the time in to help themselves get the answers |
| 19:29.30 | cladhaire | Understand that, accept it, or you won't be welcome here. Plain and simple. |
| 19:30.09 | KriLL3 | cladhaire: you've been nothing but rude to me since I got here, I solved that easily enough buy putting you on ignore, you're saying that is wrong? |
| 19:30.24 | cladhaire | KriLL3: No, the words i just typed have aboslutely nothing to do with that |
| 19:30.30 | Shirik | gtfo sag_ich_nicht! |
| 19:30.35 | Shirik | go CTCP/TIME cladhaire! |
| 19:30.38 | cladhaire | they words i typed were copy and pasted from a conversation I thought i was having with you this morning, regarding your conduct with people in this channel. |
| 19:30.48 | cladhaire | This is NOT a discussion |
| 19:31.01 | sag_ich_nicht | Shirik: no, i wanted to know what time it is in YOUR timezone, so i would know if it would even make sense to ask if you're there :P |
| 19:31.04 | KriLL3 | cladhaire: I had you on ignore then |
| 19:31.08 | Shirik | ^^ |
| 19:31.09 | cladhaire | well, i'm saying it now |
| 19:31.33 | Shirik | it's 3:32 PM btw |
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| 19:31.37 | nevcairiel | ignoring is never a solution, its just a way to stick your head in the sand even deeper |
| 19:31.39 | sag_ich_nicht | Shirik: nope, doesn't |
| 19:31.51 | Shirik | I think the only one I have configured to respond is VERSION |
| 19:32.00 | sag_ich_nicht | Shirik: still want to help me figure out GEM's horribly complex com code? :O |
| 19:32.01 | cladhaire | KriLL3: again, please acknowledge and understand that, or you will no longer be welcome in this channel. |
| 19:32.12 | Shirik | sag_ich_nicht: I'm a bit busy atm but I'll tell you, it's nowhere near easy |
| 19:32.17 | Shirik | you'd probably be better off asking the author |
| 19:32.30 | sag_ich_nicht | i already did, wait lemme link you |
| 19:32.33 | KriLL3 | cladhaire: I know plenty about common courtesy. |
| 19:32.34 | AnduinLothar | it doesn't use a lib? |
| 19:32.41 | cladhaire | KriLL3: This is NOT a discussion |
| 19:32.51 | MentalPower | oh no, the lib giant has been awakened :P |
| 19:32.53 | cladhaire | acknowledge what I am saying, plain and simple. |
| 19:33.00 | foxlit | I'd imagine GEM has some very specific communication issues |
| 19:33.16 | Shirik | GEMs comms is confusing |
| 19:33.17 | Shirik | but good |
| 19:33.18 | KriLL3 | I don't really know what you're saying, sorry but English isn't my native language. |
| 19:33.21 | Shirik | that's all I can really say |
| 19:33.29 | foxlit | (And I'm semi-interested in how they keep the events DB alive across several clients AND make sure no one cheats) |
| 19:33.30 | KriLL3 | Could you put it simpler? |
| 19:33.31 | Cide | haha, playing that card won't work |
| 19:33.36 | cladhaire | dot dot dot |
| 19:33.37 | Cide | your english is fine |
| 19:33.40 | sag_ich_nicht | AnduinLothar: no, i asked him at the very beginning when GEM started to cause disconnects for some people to use ChatThrottleLib, but he insisted on creating his own code for that |
| 19:33.43 | cladhaire | ~dict acknowledge |
| 19:33.47 | Cide | though you probably have me on ignore too |
| 19:33.50 | KriLL3 | agree on, I know that much |
| 19:33.51 | sag_ich_nicht | and that was only for limiting |
| 19:33.56 | Shirik | what's .se? |
| 19:33.59 | sag_ich_nicht | he already has his own protocol setup by that time |
| 19:34.00 | sag_ich_nicht | Shirik: sweden |
| 19:34.01 | wereHamster | sweden |
| 19:34.03 | Josh_Borke | sag_ich_nicht: seriously? CTL is drop in and use |
| 19:34.04 | Shirik | ah |
| 19:34.09 | sag_ich_nicht | Josh_Borke: yes. |
| 19:34.20 | Josh_Borke | sag_ich_nicht: poor GEM dev :-/ reinventing the wheel :-/ |
| 19:34.26 | sag_ich_nicht | yes |
| 19:34.26 | cladhaire | KriLL3: I just defined the word "acknowledge" for you, through purl. Do you understand this? |
| 19:34.33 | foxlit | Wheels have to be reinvented every so often. |
| 19:34.36 | Shirik | I don't use CTL either |
| 19:34.41 | Cide | I don't either |
| 19:34.42 | Shirik | we use our own throttling system |
| 19:34.43 | KriLL3 | I know that word, I don't know what you're meaning with the rest is. |
| 19:34.50 | foxlit | I just hope nothing breaks. |
| 19:34.59 | KriLL3 | You're admonishing me to be more tactful? |
| 19:35.15 | cladhaire | KriLL3: I'm saying you need to learn to respect the community that has existed here for the past two and a half years. If you can't do that, you will be leaving. |
| 19:35.16 | AnduinLothar | now look who's ont he ignore list.. |
| 19:35.17 | foxlit | (and stack primes for timer inveravals to maximize multiple-transmit collissions) |
| 19:35.22 | sag_ich_nicht | first i assumed it was bad hooking that caused the incompatibility, so the thread title is a bit different, but here goes Shirik: http://christophe.calmejane.free.fr/wow/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1241 |
| 19:35.31 | Shirik | reason we don't use CTL is because we want more direct control |
| 19:35.33 | MentalPower | KriLL3: playing dumb does not work... |
| 19:35.42 | Shirik | so that the intermixing RDX protocols can coexist |
| 19:35.47 | AnduinLothar | wtf does direct control mena in this contex? |
| 19:35.55 | KriLL3 | cladhaire: I don't remember not respecting it, but sure. I can do that. |
| 19:35.57 | foxlit | You decide what you send |
| 19:36.00 | foxlit | Not some lib :) |
| 19:36.01 | AnduinLothar | rdx protocols? |
| 19:36.03 | cladhaire | KriLL3: Fine, you've been warned. |
| 19:36.09 | cladhaire | KriLL3: You disrespected it from the second you stepped into this community |
| 19:36.16 | Josh_Borke | Shirik: do you mean you want ot define priority for messages? |
| 19:36.21 | Shirik | no |
| 19:36.35 | sag_ich_nicht | AnduinLothar: RDX uses a complex RPC protocol iirc :) |
| 19:36.36 | cladhaire | KriLL3: And told people they were wrong (factual) based on your opinion.. that's not the way the world, or this channel works. Your opinions are not enough for you to dispute the factual basis of someone's information |
| 19:36.52 | cladhaire | KriLL3: especially when those members clearly have a demonstrated knowledge of the topic of discussion |
| 19:36.56 | Shirik | there is a RPC protocol yes but there are others |
| 19:37.08 | Shirik | the various protocols do different things... I think there's about 30 right now? |
| 19:37.13 | Shirik | in general every module gets one or two |
| 19:37.14 | AnduinLothar | and i take it RDX doen't use CTL? |
| 19:37.16 | Shirik | nope |
| 19:37.20 | N00bZXI | Shirik: Why not? |
| 19:37.22 | MentalPower | why not? |
| 19:37.24 | cladhaire | KriLL3: Again, this isn't a discussion, its a plain and clear warning. |
| 19:37.27 | cladhaire | Shirik: why not? |
| 19:37.30 | sag_ich_nicht | ... |
| 19:37.35 | sag_ich_nicht | stop trollin Shirik. >< |
| 19:37.38 | Cide | um |
| 19:37.45 | sag_ich_nicht | the thread on the forums is bad enough :O |
| 19:37.49 | Cide | Shirik: why not? come on now... |
| 19:37.50 | cladhaire | if it used AceComm it would use CTL :P |
| 19:37.51 | N00bZXI | Shirik: CTL doesn't slow down comm UNLESS the user would be disconnected if the message was sent. |
| 19:37.53 | KriLL3 | cladhaire: yeah, I understand "warning" I don't understand the need to beat around the bush about it. |
| 19:38.03 | Shirik | I never said it does |
| 19:38.05 | cladhaire | KriLL3: I wasn't beating around the bush, I was being clear. |
| 19:38.06 | AnduinLothar | if it used Telepathy it would be using CTL.. |
| 19:38.18 | AnduinLothar | or it could jsut use CTL |
| 19:38.19 | Cide | if it used CTL it would be using CTL |
| 19:38.29 | cladhaire | You showing a high degree of maturity by ignoring me only furthered the communication issues. |
| 19:38.34 | ckknight | if it used AceComm, it would be using CTL |
| 19:38.34 | Shirik | What I did say is that it doesn't use it, plain and simple. We want direct control over the messages, and I want to know exactly how the system works, simple as that. |
| 19:38.39 | ckknight | now everything should use CTL |
| 19:38.41 | ckknight | that's the answer |
| 19:38.43 | Shirik | I. Will. Not. Ace. RDX. |
| 19:38.44 | AnduinLothar | ck... you're behind |
| 19:38.48 | cladhaire | lol |
| 19:38.51 | Cide | Shirik: why not? |
| 19:38.54 | N00bZXI | Shirik: CTL is not an ace library. |
| 19:38.55 | Josh_Borke | lol |
| 19:38.56 | cladhaire | this has notrhing to do with ace-ing rdx |
| 19:38.57 | foxlit | Shirik: do it. |
| 19:39.00 | Shirik | I'm aware of that |
| 19:39.00 | cladhaire | CTL has nothing to do with ace |
| 19:39.00 | sag_ich_nicht | stop now |
| 19:39.01 | ckknight | Shirik: but I know, deep down, you want to :-P |
| 19:39.01 | N00bZXI | It's completely standalone |
| 19:39.02 | Shirik | but where ckknight was going... |
| 19:39.03 | sag_ich_nicht | because it would delay _some_ message |
| 19:39.04 | Josh_Borke | Shirik: DO IT! :-P |
| 19:39.15 | Cide | lol |
| 19:39.16 | sag_ich_nicht | now look |
| 19:39.18 | ckknight | Shirik: and I'm by no means suggesting it. I was just pointing out the relation with CTL |
| 19:39.19 | sag_ich_nicht | you made him go afk |
| 19:39.19 | Josh_Borke | lol |
| 19:39.20 | N00bZXI | lol, someone's gonna ressurect the thread. |
| 19:39.21 | Josh_Borke | i blame sag_ich_nicht |
| 19:39.22 | Cide | we scared him away! |
| 19:39.25 | Josh_Borke | ~lart sag_ich_nicht |
| 19:39.25 | purl | gives sag_ich_nicht an extra strength ACME sleeping pill, sending sag_ich_nicht to sleep for 150 years, and awakening to seven strange dwarfs and a large apple |
| 19:39.27 | sag_ich_nicht | i will explain it :P |
| 19:39.49 | KriLL3 | cladhaire: I have a habit of ignoring people that I don't get along with, mutually beneficial in my opinion. |
| 19:39.59 | Shirik|AFK | That's a bad idea |
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| 19:40.01 | cladhaire | KriLL3: Yes, because discourse is a bad idea. |
| 19:40.04 | cladhaire | O.o |
| 19:40.04 | Josh_Borke | Shirik|AFK: lies! |
| 19:40.07 | Shirik|AFK | that's not fixing a problem, it's going around it |
| 19:40.10 | KriLL3 | I can however understand that it's not a good idea if said person is an op, I'll not ignore you again. |
| 19:40.14 | Shirik|AFK | I'm not here, Josh_Borke you can't talk to me |
| 19:40.15 | Josh_Borke | Shirik|AFK: like going afk! ;-P |
| 19:40.20 | AnduinLothar | what problem? |
| 19:40.21 | N00bZXI | [12:40:14]<Shirik|AFK>That's a bad idea |
| 19:40.22 | N00bZXI | you're not afk |
| 19:40.26 | Shirik|AFK | Yes I am |
| 19:40.30 | Shirik|AFK | This is CTL sending my messages |
| 19:40.33 | MentalPower | no you're not |
| 19:40.34 | Shirik|AFK | I had spammed them too fast |
| 19:40.35 | foxlit | Now that you're not AFK, ACE RDX! |
| 19:40.35 | MentalPower | lol |
| 19:40.36 | N00bZXI | Are you sure? |
| 19:40.40 | Josh_Borke | lol |
| 19:40.54 | KriLL3 | Shirik|AFK: he hated me the second I entered the channel, I'm doubting that will change, thus why not go around it? |
| 19:41.04 | Shirik|AFK | "hate" is a strong word |
| 19:41.05 | cladhaire | KriLL3: I don't hate you, you'd know if I hate you |
| 19:41.09 | MentalPower | KriLL3: cladhaire does not hate you |
| 19:41.10 | ckknight | gah, foxlit, Ace is not an acronym |
| 19:41.11 | cladhaire | my feelings have nothing to do with you as a person |
| 19:41.13 | Shirik|AFK | yeah cladhaire would act like he does to me |
| 19:41.13 | AnduinLothar | so... um... i'm still confused. i didn't know that any good argument existed against using CTL |
| 19:41.14 | Josh_Borke | Shirik|AFK: i hate you :-P |
| 19:41.22 | Shirik|AFK | AnduinLothar: I never said there was one |
| 19:41.24 | cladhaire | but with your conduct in this channel, and your respect for this community, plain and simple. |
| 19:41.25 | Cide | I hate him, fyi! |
| 19:41.30 | sag_ich_nicht | i think what Shirik was meaning was that CTL would delay any message because it would cause a disconnect, and he wants RDX to not even produce that situation and in case it does delay the message that is the least important :P |
| 19:41.33 | Shirik|AFK | I, however, did point out that I don't use it, just as Cide did |
| 19:41.50 | AnduinLothar | right... so... why? |
| 19:41.51 | Josh_Borke | i thought it was in CTRA? |
| 19:41.57 | Cide | um |
| 19:42.01 | Cide | there's a simple question |
| 19:42.05 | ckknight | Shirik|AFK: but what if multiple addons send at the same time and D/C? that's something you can't control just inside RDX. |
| 19:42.07 | Cide | why not? |
| 19:42.27 | MentalPower | CTL has priority levels |
| 19:42.38 | sag_ich_nicht | MentalPower: well, then i'm wrong :P |
| 19:42.41 | Shirik|AFK | ckknight: It is my understanding that CTL hooks SendAddonMessage anyway |
| 19:42.47 | MentalPower | so higher priorities get preference over lower priority ones |
| 19:42.52 | Shirik|AFK | so whether or not I know about it is irrelevant |
| 19:42.53 | Tem | sag_ich_nicht, and if it didn't delay that one message, your user would get disconnected |
| 19:42.53 | AnduinLothar | because it's an accepted standard that benifits from adoption and allows you to not have to deal with compat issues with other chat mods that use it |
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| 19:43.03 | N00bZXI | Shirik|AFK: It is my knowledge it doesn't. |
| 19:43.06 | Tem | Shirik|AFK, it doesn't anymore because we all cried about it |
| 19:43.11 | Shirik|AFK | ah |
| 19:43.12 | Cide | it doesn't because.. what Tem said |
| 19:43.13 | foxlit | N00bZXI: Shirik is right. |
| 19:43.15 | Tem | it did initially and there was a big flamewar |
| 19:43.16 | foxlit | (probably) |
| 19:43.19 | Tem | and he removed it |
| 19:43.21 | sag_ich_nicht | so |
| 19:43.23 | Cide | thankfully |
| 19:43.35 | Tem | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:43.37 | sag_ich_nicht | can we get an addon that does it and utilizes CTL? ;P |
| 19:43.56 | Josh_Borke | lol |
| 19:44.02 | foxlit | Here's for starting a "Shirik, CTL RDX plx" thread! |
| 19:44.06 | Shirik|AFK | In any case |
| 19:44.16 | Tem | so basically what I'm getting at is, imo, all addons that do things over SendAddOnMessage should be using CTL |
| 19:44.18 | Shirik|AFK | The RDX protocols have existed for... at least a year now, if not more |
| 19:44.25 | Tem | let's please agree on this one standard |
| 19:44.28 | ckknight | agreed, Tem |
| 19:44.35 | N00bZXI | agreed, Tem |
| 19:44.38 | Shirik|AFK | Even if I don't have any good reason not to, I have my right not to use it |
| 19:44.46 | foxlit | No, because I love randomly disconnecting people. |
| 19:44.47 | Tem | aye, you do |
| 19:44.48 | Josh_Borke | disagreed Tem (j/k, please don't kill me) |
| 19:45.01 | Cide | I agree and disagree |
| 19:45.02 | N00bZXI | Eventually someone with a very large amount of addons will spread the word that RDX causes disconnects, though |
| 19:45.03 | Josh_Borke | purl, protect me |
| 19:45.08 | purl | ACTION sees a grenade rolling toward josh_borke, and leaps onto it. |
| 19:45.17 | Shirik|AFK | I doubt it |
| 19:45.22 | Shirik|AFK | both CTL and RDX are very generous |
| 19:45.25 | foxlit | N00bZXI: why RDX specifically? |
| 19:45.37 | sag_ich_nicht | GEM doesn't use CTL either |
| 19:45.39 | ckknight | Shirik|AFK: so why not use CTL? |
| 19:45.45 | sag_ich_nicht | go flame the author of GEM as well then :P |
| 19:45.48 | Cide | so why use it? |
| 19:45.51 | Shirik|AFK | why do? |
| 19:45.54 | N00bZXI | foxlit: I'm assuming the person gets disconnects right after installing RDX and didn't get them previously |
| 19:45.55 | Shirik|AFK | Cide beat me :/ |
| 19:46.00 | ckknight | because it can prevent disconnects. |
| 19:46.07 | Shirik|AFK | So can what I have already |
| 19:46.12 | Cide | exactly |
| 19:46.17 | Cide | it's like saying, buy THIS front door |
| 19:46.23 | Cide | but I already have a front door |
| 19:46.25 | N00bZXI | CTL: Person runs a lot of mods, and comm starts lagging, blames in on server | no CTL: Person runs a lot of mods, gets diconnected,blames it on the last mod he installed |
| 19:46.27 | ckknight | Shirik|AFK: except that yours doesn't take other addons into account, does it? |
| 19:46.27 | Cide | well it protects you against thieves |
| 19:46.36 | Cide | but my front door already protects me againts thieves... |
| 19:46.51 | Shirik|AFK | ckknight: True, but let's look at it from this angle |
| 19:47.28 | Shirik|AFK | Both CTL and RDX are very generous in their limits. It will require quite a bit of unknown communications to cause a disconnect. On the same note, the requirement for N00bZXI's case where RDX gets installed and immediately thereafter the user gets disconnects would require an extremely selective setup |
| 19:47.28 | foxlit | Question: in the event of a server disconnect, are SVs dumped? |
| 19:47.32 | KriLL3 | cladhaire: I'm not going to keep discussing this topic, I don't have the ability to make my point of view nor my intent clear to you nor the interest in further disturbing your peace of mind. I'll try to be respectful of the community but I'm used to loosely knit channels with people that doesn't take something that is clearly a joke (albeit a poor one) by turning defensive. Sorry if I'm a... |
| 19:47.32 | Shirik|AFK | yes |
| 19:47.33 | KriLL3 | ...sore thumb. |
| 19:47.38 | ckknight | Cide: it's more like going in with the neighborhood and getting a neighborhood-wide security system, vs. bolting the doors to your own house. Your house might be fine, but the neighborhood is still burglarized |
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| 19:47.51 | Shirik|AFK | foxlit: In any non-crash the SVs will be written |
| 19:47.53 | Shirik|AFK | that includes disconnects |
| 19:48.07 | cladhaire | KriLL3: This has nothing to do with a "joke". You were not making a joke yesterday. Either way, I agree, this conversation is done. |
| 19:48.34 | Cide | ckknight: except you're trying to force this neightboorhood-wide security onto me to make me more safe |
| 19:48.45 | Cide | even though my house is basically a black box |
| 19:49.01 | Shirik|AFK | heh |
| 19:49.04 | Shirik|AFK | ~dict burglarized |
| 19:49.06 | ckknight | foxlit: woo, America! |
| 19:49.24 | wereHamster | there's a ding sound when the ship arrives, that's useful! |
| 19:49.29 | KriLL3 | burglar-ized, not too hard to figure out ;> |
| 19:49.34 | sag_ich_nicht | ckknight stop being a dick to Shirik. Shirik, add CTL. i very very very rarely get disconnects for no apparent reason in raids. :P |
| 19:49.49 | KriLL3 | wereHamster: it's called a ship clock |
| 19:49.51 | Shirik|AFK | I think you're making it up :P |
| 19:49.58 | Shirik|AFK | Or it's not related to RDX |
| 19:50.06 | sag_ich_nicht | Shirik: no, i'm not. -.- |
| 19:50.06 | foxlit | Next question: unitframes addon |
| 19:50.12 | sag_ich_nicht | Shirik: i have about 300 addons |
| 19:50.12 | KriLL3 | pitbull |
| 19:50.14 | Shirik|AFK | Because in the current release there are only about 2 things that are sent via RDX |
| 19:50.19 | Shirik|AFK | (1) is the encounter sync message |
| 19:50.21 | Shirik|AFK | which is one line |
| 19:50.22 | wereHamster | .. that must have been added somewhere between when I stopped playin WoW and now :) |
| 19:50.23 | N00bZXI | Perhaps I should try raiding with raid mods with a edited CTL that doesn't throttle chat someday.. |
| 19:50.24 | Shirik|AFK | sent once. |
| 19:50.24 | foxlit | KriLL3: notice the lack of a questionmark. |
| 19:50.26 | Josh_Borke | wereHamster: welcome to 2.1 ;-) |
| 19:50.31 | Shirik|AFK | (2) is the encounter start/stop message, which is sent on one line... once |
| 19:50.44 | Shirik|AFK | The only other thing major is logistics, which you would know about anyway when the request is sent/received |
| 19:50.45 | sag_ich_nicht | Shirik|AFK: okay |
| 19:50.46 | KriLL3 | foxlit: you stated it was a question :| |
| 19:50.55 | Shirik|AFK | When the patcher/battle recorder are released |
| 19:51.00 | Shirik|AFK | then you'll start to see much more complex comms |
| 19:51.06 | Shirik|AFK | and we'll see how well RDX interacts |
| 19:51.06 | N00bZXI | Shirik|AFK: Now that DOES make sense. |
| 19:51.10 | foxlit | I'm registering events for each unit frame, then using the same eventhandler in local mode for each. Is this better than having a single frame with all events, and then calling handler function with frames for which this event is interesting? |
| 19:51.13 | sag_ich_nicht | Shirik|AFK: so when can we expect a new RDX release? :P |
| 19:51.25 | Shirik|AFK | I want to get both the patcher and battle recorder done before the release |
| 19:51.31 | Shirik|AFK | and I have to completely rewrite the windowing system |
| 19:51.31 | sag_ich_nicht | (oh and btw. Shirik, the karazhan trashmobs bossmod bugs a bit with the two adds after the curator) |
| 19:51.32 | Shirik|AFK | again |
| 19:51.39 | Shirik|AFK | oh? |
| 19:51.54 | Shirik|AFK | hm |
| 19:51.57 | nevcairiel | the event dispatcher was optimized in some patch .. not sure if its better then dispatching yourself. but i dont think its worse. |
| 19:51.59 | Shirik|AFK | worked for me iirc |
| 19:52.01 | foxlit | Do you have a neat fix for patch integrity and lying clients? |
| 19:52.02 | sag_ich_nicht | i can't give you the error right now, i'll give it to you on monday if i remember to save it |
| 19:52.05 | Shirik|AFK | ok |
| 19:52.08 | Shirik|AFK | oh wait |
| 19:52.11 | Shirik|AFK | you got a lua error? |
| 19:52.14 | sag_ich_nicht | yes. |
| 19:52.18 | Shirik|AFK | ok, it should be saved anyway then |
| 19:52.27 | Shirik|AFK | if you go into your |
| 19:53.20 | Shirik|AFK | lol 150000 line SV file >.> |
| 19:53.21 | Shirik|AFK | it's at |
| 19:53.31 | Shirik|AFK | C:\Program Files\World of Warcraft\WTF\Account\<account>\SavedVariables |
| 19:53.33 | Shirik|AFK | \RDX.lua |
| 19:53.38 | Shirik|AFK | email that to me, skullshot@guardianhq.com |
| 19:53.53 | sag_ich_nicht | Shirik|AFK: i overwrote the error handler, you didn't leave me much of a choice... think it still got saved? :P |
| 19:53.56 | [dRaCo] | yay, one more mail address to send spam to |
| 19:53.57 | Shirik|AFK | oh |
| 19:53.59 | Shirik|AFK | then probably not >< |
| 19:54.12 | Shirik|AFK | unless you did it after the error occurred |
| 19:54.29 | Shirik|AFK | oh btw the error handler is being redone for the next release too |
| 19:54.33 | sag_ich_nicht | no, i have it in luaslinger on PLAYER_LOGIN :P |
| 19:54.55 | ckknight | <3 BugSack |
| 19:55.00 | sag_ich_nicht | because not getting a stacktrace and having the error message show up in the default chatframe is annoying :P |
| 19:55.15 | Shirik|AFK | you can get the stack trace |
| 19:55.16 | Shirik|AFK | type /err |
| 19:55.21 | Shirik|AFK | as for the chat frame, I know |
| 19:55.23 | Shirik|AFK | blame veni |
| 19:55.27 | Shirik|AFK | it'll be reworked |
| 19:55.39 | sag_ich_nicht | mhm |
| 19:55.43 | sag_ich_nicht | interesting |
| 19:55.52 | Shirik|AFK | ckknight: You know, BugSack disables RDX |
| 19:55.54 | ckknight | Shirik|AFK: just steal !BugGrabber and BugSack |
| 19:55.55 | Shirik|AFK | it's awesome |
| 19:55.55 | sag_ich_nicht | it might have still logged it Shirik |
| 19:55.59 | ckknight | disables? how? |
| 19:56.05 | Shirik|AFK | it disables its dependency |
| 19:56.06 | Shirik|AFK | VFL |
| 19:56.09 | ckknight | weird. |
| 19:56.18 | Shirik|AFK | it complains that it can't coexist with VFL |
| 19:56.22 | Shirik|AFK | and then proceeds to disable it |
| 19:56.30 | ckknight | oh right, there were issues with that |
| 19:56.38 | sag_ich_nicht | which reminds me |
| 19:56.47 | N00bZXI | Why couldn't they coexist? |
| 19:56.48 | Shirik|AFK | I still don't agree with an addon disabling another |
| 19:56.54 | ckknight | you know what you should do? Just include !BugGrabber and BugSack in RDX :-P They're open-source licensed |
| 19:56.56 | sag_ich_nicht | Shirik, what is that complaint from RDX about damage meters about? :P |
| 19:57.06 | Cide | wow |
| 19:57.09 | Cide | you still do that? |
| 19:57.14 | Shirik|AFK | ? |
| 19:57.14 | sag_ich_nicht | the description isn't really big :P |
| 19:57.22 | Josh_Borke | an addon disabling another addon? |
| 19:57.26 | Cide | MentalPower will be pleased |
| 19:57.34 | Shirik|AFK | sag_ich_nicht: Damage meters adjusts a cvar that RDXM_DistEnhance tries to manipulate |
| 19:57.36 | Josh_Borke | if anything, it should disable ITSELF rather than the other addon |
| 19:57.39 | Cide | sigh |
| 19:57.41 | nevcairiel | I dont see any DisableAddon call relating to VFL in BugGrabber |
| 19:57.44 | Shirik|AFK | if you want, you can turn off that module |
| 19:57.47 | Shirik|AFK | it tries to work around it |
| 19:57.51 | Shirik|AFK | nevcairiel: I'm just going by what I'm told |
| 19:57.54 | sag_ich_nicht | nevcairiel: it's in BugSack |
| 19:57.56 | sag_ich_nicht | not BugGrabber |
| 19:57.59 | Cide | idiots |
| 19:58.07 | Shirik|AFK | 152:582:10 12‹Josh_Borke12› if anything, it should disable ITSELF rather than the other addon |
| 19:58.10 | Shirik|AFK | I completely agree |
| 19:58.11 | Josh_Borke | cide: no need for such harsh language |
| 19:58.13 | Shirik|AFK | but I didn't write the addon, nothing I can do |
| 19:58.15 | nevcairiel | in BugSack too? it has the complain line in BugGrabber |
| 19:58.19 | sag_ich_nicht | i agree as well |
| 19:58.23 | Cide | Josh_Borke: I'd disagree |
| 19:58.28 | sag_ich_nicht | nevcairiel: oO |
| 19:58.41 | Cide | Josh_Borke: you should know I sat here for 30 seconds debating to type 'fucking idiots', but I restrained myself |
| 19:58.45 | sag_ich_nicht | [21:57] <Shirik|AFK> sag_ich_nicht: Damage meters adjusts a cvar that RDXM_DistEnhance tries to manipulate <--meh :O |
| 19:58.48 | Shirik|AFK | Cide: For example, VFL.conflict() which I wrote, first attempts to work around the issue |
| 19:58.49 | Cide | but there you go, that's what I *really* think about it |
| 19:58.54 | MentalPower | It used to, ckk and I had a few arguments on BugGrabber vs Swatter |
| 19:58.55 | ckknight | okay, Shirik|AFK, going through the code, !BugGrabber does _not_ disable VFL. |
| 19:58.57 | Shirik|AFK | if it can't do that, it disables itself |
| 19:58.59 | ckknight | nor does BugSack |
| 19:59.03 | Shirik|AFK | ckknight ok, dunno, it's just what I was told |
| 19:59.06 | ckknight | MentalPower: we worked it out, though |
| 19:59.06 | Shirik|AFK | never seen it myself |
| 19:59.25 | Josh_Borke | perhaps it's an issue with bug* having been updated on the ace svn but not released to other websites? |
| 19:59.28 | N00bZXI | Don't they disable some part of VFL that causes the conflict? |
| 19:59.29 | Shirik|AFK | sag_ich_nicht: If you just check the box that says "don't show this message again" |
| 19:59.31 | Josh_Borke | thereby users downloading an older version |
| 19:59.32 | Shirik|AFK | it should be fine |
| 19:59.33 | nevcairiel | it will output a message that it disabled it tho :P |
| 19:59.37 | ckknight | cause it only existed for a few days, Shirik|AFK, then was removed |
| 19:59.43 | sag_ich_nicht | Shirik|AFK: i already did that, i just wantd to know what it was about :O |
| 19:59.47 | sag_ich_nicht | +e |
| 19:59.49 | Shirik|AFK | Yeah, it works around fine |
| 19:59.51 | ckknight | N00bZXI: it steals the errorhandler |
| 19:59.56 | Shirik|AFK | it's just some cvar that adjusts the combat log distance |
| 19:59.57 | Cide | oh, you mean like this? |
| 20:00.03 | Cide | actually |
| 20:00.04 | Cide | one sec |
| 20:00.10 | Shirik|AFK | VFL.conflict periodically checks that var and when it changes, it complains |
| 20:00.13 | N00bZXI | ckknight: I see. |
| 20:00.16 | Shirik|AFK | which DamageMeters does |
| 20:00.27 | nevcairiel | BugGrabber will output a message that it disabled VFL, but it never touches it, heh. |
| 20:00.28 | sag_ich_nicht | [21:59] <Shirik|AFK> it's just some cvar that adjusts the combat log distance <--heh, i overwrite that CVar on login with luaslinger already :O |
| 20:00.29 | Cide | http://wowi.pastey.net/56989 |
| 20:00.32 | Cide | fucking idiots. |
| 20:00.53 | sag_ich_nicht | heh |
| 20:00.57 | Shirik|AFK | heh, sorry Cide >.> |
| 20:01.02 | Shirik|AFK | Like I said, I can only go by what I'm told |
| 20:01.03 | Shirik|AFK | nothing more |
| 20:01.10 | ckknight | Shirik|AFK: it doesn't DisableAddOn(), it steals the errorhandler. |
| 20:01.12 | Cide | that wasn't directed to you, Shirik|AFK |
| 20:01.15 | N00bZXI | IMO, an addon shouldn't change a cvar unless the user decides to, mainly because the cvar will still be changed if the addon is removed. |
| 20:01.25 | Shirik|AFK | N00bZXI: RDX doesn't ;) |
| 20:01.26 | ckknight | Shirik|AFK: which is what I had said |
| 20:01.36 | foxlit | real_seterrorhandler? |
| 20:01.40 | Shirik|AFK | But when it sees something it doesn't expect, it looks to see where it's coming from |
| 20:01.43 | foxlit | They STEAL seterrorhandler? |
| 20:01.43 | Cide | it still disables the mod |
| 20:01.50 | N00bZXI | Shirik|AFK: Was talking in general, not RDX. |
| 20:01.59 | Shirik|AFK | ah, well yeah I agree |
| 20:02.06 | Shirik|AFK | DBM is the only one I know that odes |
| 20:02.11 | MentalPower | foxlit: it makes a local copy of seterrorhandler() and makes the global a noop "function seterrorhandler() end" |
| 20:02.12 | ckknight | foxlit: basically, the point of !BugGrabber is to catch all the errors and have them accessed by BugSack. |
| 20:02.17 | Shirik|AFK | DamageMeters doesn't mess with it eitehr unless you tell it to |
| 20:02.25 | ckknight | foxlit: VFL catches all errors as well, thus, you can see the conflict |
| 20:02.41 | ckknight | Cide: it doesn't DisableAddOn, thus disabling RDX's dependency. |
| 20:02.48 | foxlit | Can't they... coexist? |
| 20:02.49 | ckknight | Cide: which was the issue. |
| 20:02.51 | Cide | true |
| 20:02.54 | ckknight | foxlit: sadly, no |
| 20:02.58 | Cide | and what about the swatter thing there? |
| 20:02.59 | foxlit | Cooperative hooking, call the other error handler? |
| 20:03.00 | Josh_Borke | ckknight: sure, conflict is fine, but what is BugGrabber to decide it is more important than VFL? let the user know that they conflict |
| 20:03.02 | Shirik|AFK | foxlit: Sadly, there is no geterrorhandler() there |
| 20:03.03 | Shirik|AFK | it sucks |
| 20:03.04 | wereHamster | where in theramore can I buy arrows? |
| 20:03.06 | Shirik|AFK | I've asked for it |
| 20:03.10 | Shirik|AFK | therefore there's no way to hook |
| 20:03.11 | ckknight | Cide: we've talked with MentalPower about it |
| 20:03.13 | sag_ich_nicht | Cide: swatter is the errorhandler of auctioneer/all addons by norgana |
| 20:03.19 | Shirik|AFK | well I guess you could go into VFL's functions directly |
| 20:03.20 | Cide | sag_ich_nicht: ... |
| 20:03.20 | foxlit | Steal SET and then pass things to it? |
| 20:03.21 | Shirik|AFK | but that's messy |
| 20:03.52 | Shirik|AFK | oh I see Cide |
| 20:03.56 | Shirik|AFK | now I see what you're pointing out |
| 20:04.01 | sag_ich_nicht | Cide: or did you mean something else? :P |
| 20:04.17 | Cide | sag_ich_nicht: I'm fully aware of what swatter is; I use it |
| 20:04.30 | sag_ich_nicht | :) |
| 20:04.36 | sag_ich_nicht | wait |
| 20:04.39 | Shirik|AFK | Cide's pointing out he doesnt' like the DisableAddOn("!Swatter") |
| 20:04.40 | Shirik|AFK | there |
| 20:04.42 | MentalPower | Shirik|AFK: it used to be a lot worse, !BugGrabber used to go thru the Swatter table and nil everything out |
| 20:04.48 | Shirik|AFK | ow |
| 20:04.50 | ckknight | and that was worked out, as I said. |
| 20:04.56 | ckknight | some dev did that (not me) |
| 20:04.58 | sag_ich_nicht | yeah i just saw it Shirik|AFK |
| 20:05.11 | ckknight | you people are making a mountain out of a molehill |
| 20:05.12 | MentalPower | correct |
| 20:05.16 | sag_ich_nicht | ckknight: no |
| 20:05.25 | sag_ich_nicht | ckknight: we are acting like you, if someone did that to one of your addons |
| 20:06.00 | nevcairiel | imho it should just output a message, informing the user, that he should disable one of the addons |
| 20:06.02 | ckknight | here's reality: !BugGrabber is completely voluntary. No addon (except BugSack) requires it or depends on it. |
| 20:06.17 | nevcairiel | or tops, provide a popup where the user can click "yes i want to disable swatter now" |
| 20:06.24 | N00bZXI | IMO, it should disable itself, and tell the user to disable the other addon if they want to use it. |
| 20:06.29 | Cide | here's reality: buggrabber should disable itself, not swatter or any other addon |
| 20:06.39 | ckknight | N00bZXI: but VFL is required by RDX for some ungodly reason |
| 20:06.44 | sag_ich_nicht | i agree with Cide |
| 20:06.46 | Shirik|AFK | uh |
| 20:06.47 | ckknight | N00bZXI: thus it isn't voluntary |
| 20:06.48 | N00bZXI | ckknight: I'm referring to swatter. |
| 20:06.52 | Shirik|AFK | because the entire UI is based off it? >< |
| 20:07.03 | N00bZXI | ckknight: VFL isn't being disabled. |
| 20:07.08 | ckknight | right |
| 20:07.22 | ckknight | okay, basically, the user is informed about the change, so they can make an informed decision |
| 20:07.28 | ckknight | perhaps I'll change the code |
| 20:07.39 | ckknight | to show a dialog box: Choose: Swatter or !BugGrabber |
| 20:07.44 | N00bZXI | perhaps show a popup, with options to disable BugSack or the other addon |
| 20:07.50 | N00bZXI | Exactly |
| 20:07.57 | sag_ich_nicht | ckknight: i think that's the best solution :) |
| 20:08.05 | MentalPower | thats what we do, we disable ourselves if we detect that theres going to be a conflict (http://auctioneeraddon.com/scm/browser/trunk/%21swatter/Swatter.lua) |
| 20:08.21 | Josh_Borke | it'd be easier to just disable buggrabber/bugsack and tell the user what steps to take if they want to use them |
| 20:08.43 | Shirik|AFK | that's exactly how VFL.conflict() works. First it attempts to repair the situation. If that doesn't work, then it disables the module in question. In any case, it informs the user |
| 20:08.46 | sag_ich_nicht | (i guess there is some code for disabling for IEF below the code in pastey as well, maybe should look at that too :P) |
| 20:09.01 | Shirik|AFK | the module being RDX's module |
| 20:09.06 | Shirik|AFK | not the addon causing the conflict |
| 20:09.15 | sag_ich_nicht | you know |
| 20:09.25 | sag_ich_nicht | if every addon had such a conflict catching code |
| 20:09.35 | Arrowmaster | the realality is that swatter comes by default in the auctioneer download pack right? VFL is a required part of rdx right? buggrabber is a completely optional download, if the user installs it they want it to handle the errors |
| 20:09.36 | sag_ich_nicht | both addons would disable themself |
| 20:09.36 | sag_ich_nicht | >.> |
| 20:09.54 | cladhaire | Arrowmaster: or they blindly click it on the WAU |
| 20:09.58 | cladhaire | which happens more than you'd think. |
| 20:10.03 | cladhaire | people don't know what the hell they're downloading |
| 20:10.06 | Shirik|AFK | sag_ich_nicht: Heh, well, RDX rarely has to disable a module. Like you see with damage meters there |
| 20:10.07 | sag_ich_nicht | yes. |
| 20:10.08 | Arrowmaster | good point |
| 20:10.10 | Shirik|AFK | it adapts quite nicely |
| 20:10.28 | Shirik|AFK | though the adaptations usually have to be programmed in |
| 20:10.31 | N00bZXI | cladhaire: This is why showing a popup for which addon to disable is the best solution imo. |
| 20:10.36 | cladhaire | of course |
| 20:10.41 | N00bZXI | So the user knows what's going on |
| 20:10.47 | cladhaire | yes, I know, I didn't counter that in the least |
| 20:10.48 | sag_ich_nicht | Shirik: are you going to create something like Scratch while you re-write the window system? :P |
| 20:10.52 | N00bZXI | A lot of people don't even uninstall addons they just disable them |
| 20:10.56 | Shirik|AFK | scratch? |
| 20:10.57 | cladhaire | and I said that 6 months ago when this came up, and was summarily ignored. |
| 20:11.12 | Shirik|AFK | I can do anything atm |
| 20:11.16 | Shirik|AFK | I have to rewrite everything, literally |
| 20:11.25 | sag_ich_nicht | Shirik: nvm, i figured you would look at what happened with the original branch of RDX, I guess you didn't :O |
| 20:11.25 | Shirik|AFK | In a few days you'll see RDXM_Windows deleted off the SVN |
| 20:11.31 | Shirik|AFK | you mean the whiteboard? |
| 20:11.35 | sag_ich_nicht | yeah :) |
| 20:11.37 | Shirik|AFK | I haven't really followed it no |
| 20:11.41 | Shirik|AFK | considered it ya |
| 20:11.45 | Shirik|AFK | been requested by a few |
| 20:11.47 | N00bZXI | Doodle. |
| 20:11.50 | ckknight | alright, got the dialog box |
| 20:11.57 | ckknight | just gotta test... |
| 20:12.03 | sag_ich_nicht | N00bZXI: getting a raid to install a single addon(RDX) is easy |
| 20:12.10 | sag_ich_nicht | getting it to install a bazillion addons |
| 20:12.11 | Cide | ckknight: any reason this is being done now? |
| 20:12.12 | sag_ich_nicht | hard. |
| 20:12.25 | ckknight | Cide: because I didn't think of doing it before. |
| 20:12.35 | sag_ich_nicht | [22:11] <Shirik|AFK> I haven't really followed it no <--maybe you should take a look from time to time :) |
| 20:12.36 | Shirik|AFK | I think he meant as opposed to tomorrow, etc. |
| 20:12.37 | Cide | ckknight: and only as a result of people in here bitching? |
| 20:12.43 | ckknight | also, I'm not the sole or original author of !BugGrabber. |
| 20:12.44 | Shirik|AFK | meh, I dunno |
| 20:12.45 | ckknight | it's not mine |
| 20:12.49 | ckknight | it was someone else's |
| 20:12.55 | ckknight | twice over or so |
| 20:13.00 | ckknight | I just hack on it |
| 20:13.11 | sag_ich_nicht | Cide: i think he will never change the code in fubar that fucks up the position of MainMenuBar either, until enough people bitch at him :P |
| 20:13.31 | ckknight | the offending code is in Jostle, particularly, sag_ich_nicht |
| 20:13.44 | sag_ich_nicht | wait |
| 20:13.45 | sag_ich_nicht | brb |
| 20:13.56 | sag_ich_nicht | random WoW error for no apparent reason while i was idling in IF |
| 20:14.01 | sag_ich_nicht | ah |
| 20:14.08 | Shirik|AFK | I didn't do it |
| 20:14.31 | sag_ich_nicht | it was VanasKoS parsing tables to CTL/AceComm again |
| 20:15.02 | sag_ich_nicht | ckknight: okay. so fix jostle then :P |
| 20:15.19 | sag_ich_nicht | (now that i think of it, i think i already had it traced to jostle when i first investigated it :O) |
| 20:15.21 | ckknight | not a high priority compared to other issues I have to deal with |
| 20:15.46 | sag_ich_nicht | ckknight: just add it to the to-do list if you didn't already and i'll shut up about it :P |
| 20:17.00 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Droolio (n=drool@87-194-188-170.bethere.co.uk) |
| 20:17.56 | sag_ich_nicht | btw. anyone know how to reach the author of VanasKoS or give him a bugreport? X) |
| 20:18.26 | nevcairiel | who is the author? |
| 20:18.32 | sag_ich_nicht | Vane |
| 20:18.36 | nevcairiel | never heard |
| 20:18.41 | nevcairiel | not a irc guy i guess :) |
| 20:18.42 | sag_ich_nicht | yeah that's why i ask |
| 20:18.42 | sag_ich_nicht | :O |
| 20:26.52 | sag_ich_nicht | Shirik |
| 20:26.59 | sag_ich_nicht | i am scared by the SV RDX.lua |
| 20:27.04 | Shirik | rogfl |
| 20:27.07 | Shirik | it's huge isn't it |
| 20:27.15 | sag_ich_nicht | that's not what i meant |
| 20:27.16 | Shirik | I know mine is |
| 20:27.20 | sag_ich_nicht | well |
| 20:27.22 | sag_ich_nicht | 550kb |
| 20:27.23 | sag_ich_nicht | but |
| 20:27.33 | sag_ich_nicht | what i meant is that you are tracking for each character in the same file D: |
| 20:27.34 | Shirik | oh hahahaha! |
| 20:27.35 | Shirik | I know |
| 20:27.38 | Shirik | oops |
| 20:27.42 | Shirik | disable RDXM_Stastics |
| 20:27.46 | Shirik | did I include that in the release? |
| 20:27.49 | sag_ich_nicht | yes. |
| 20:27.52 | Shirik | sorry >< |
| 20:27.56 | Shirik | that was a pre-alpha module |
| 20:28.08 | zenzelezz | you spy you |
| 20:28.18 | Shirik | intended to be a damage meter, etc., module which will be replaced by components of battle recorder |
| 20:28.30 | *** join/#wowi-lounge abug (n=ABUGABUG@c-71-59-82-173.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) |
| 20:28.35 | Shirik | in fact if you want to you can delete the RDX5Data.Global.mod_statistics table |
| 20:28.45 | Shirik | it's only 50k lines for me |
| 20:29.38 | sag_ich_nicht | [22:28] <Shirik> in fact if you want to you can delete the RDX5Data.Global.mod_statistics table <--i'm good at codelogic, but not at lua, because i don't have the time to learn the syntax or code in it, thus i can either delete it manually from the file or you tell me the command to delete it in WoW :P |
| 20:29.57 | Shirik | just /script RDX5Data.Globa.mod_statics = nil |
| 20:30.00 | Shirik | or better yet |
| 20:30.09 | Shirik | just /script RDX5Data.Global.mod_statics = {} |
| 20:30.17 | Shirik | hrm, I wonder if RDX will correct it though |
| 20:30.19 | Shirik | well try it |
| 20:30.24 | sag_ich_nicht | i did |
| 20:30.31 | sag_ich_nicht | i'll disable the whole statistics module too :P |
| 20:30.34 | ckknight | MentalPower: okay, just committed a fix to !BugGrabber that pops up a dialog box asking the user to choose between BugGrabber and Swatter |
| 20:31.32 | abug | I'd like a fight to death option |
| 20:31.53 | MentalPower | ckknight: nice, thanks |
| 20:32.18 | ckknight | MentalPower: I honestly hadn't thought of doing that :-P |
| 20:32.20 | ckknight | *shrug* |
| 20:32.28 | Cide | 'course you didn't |
| 20:32.58 | ckknight | right, because it wasn't my mod originally and you apparently have a large piece of wood shoved in an unintended orifice that I recommend removing now. |
| 20:33.01 | Josh_Borke | oh come on Cide, everyone knows the shoot first, ask questions later is the best approach |
| 20:33.13 | Shirik | of course |
| 20:33.28 | Josh_Borke | i always cut twice, measure once |
| 20:33.32 | Cide | ckknight: but it feels so good |
| 20:33.33 | Josh_Borke | sometimes i don't even measure |
| 20:33.35 | Shirik | rofl |
| 20:33.40 | Josh_Borke | cide: lol |
| 20:33.42 | ckknight | ick, splinters |
| 20:33.52 | Shirik | ckknight: Thank you |
| 20:33.56 | Josh_Borke | ckknight: they are like little presents |
| 20:33.58 | Shirik | I will now be unable to move all day |
| 20:34.02 | Shirik | with that thought in my midn |
| 20:34.32 | sag_ich_nicht | rofl |
| 20:34.52 | Cide | I'm unable to move for other reasons |
| 20:35.15 | Cide | (interpret as you wish, naturally) |
| 20:35.53 | zenzelezz | resistance is half the fun |
| 20:36.35 | AnduinLothar | anyone know anythign abotu CraftList2? |
| 20:36.44 | AnduinLothar | AceLibrary("AceConsole-2.0").registry.CLIST.args doesn't seem to exist |
| 20:37.29 | abug | is the report addon button on wowinterface the best method for getting my addon moved to outdated? |
| 20:39.31 | Shirik | abug: Probably better just asking cladhaire directly |
| 20:39.34 | Shirik | since he's here |
| 20:40.00 | cladhaire | abug: Just send cairenn a PM and she'll take care of it |
| 20:40.07 | cladhaire | I still don't have an easy way to do it |
| 20:40.17 | Cairenn | gimme linkage |
| 20:41.19 | AnduinLothar | hmmm, so apparently CraftList2 never makes a registry args config. it only feeds it directly to waterfall |
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| 20:44.30 | Lactrox | Hi there. I have a question. Is there a good, or is it possible to make a countdown addon now adays? |
| 20:45.54 | Cide | hi |
| 20:45.55 | Josh_Borke | yes you can make a countdown addon |
| 20:45.59 | Cide | can you be a bit more explicit? :) |
| 20:46.50 | Josh_Borke | what are you trying to countdown? |
| 20:47.00 | Lactrox | Lets say I want a 60 second countdown in the raidchat. I (Or anyone in the raid) can write "!longstart" in the raid chat. And a countdown starts. First saying "Starting in 60 seconds, blessings!" "30 seconds left, drink up!" "10, 9, 8, 7..." |
| 20:47.23 | Josh_Borke | i don't know of any mod that does that |
| 20:47.24 | foxlit | Doable. |
| 20:47.29 | Josh_Borke | but it is doable |
| 20:47.42 | Lactrox | I had a mod that could do that early on. (C'thun days) but it doesnt work anymore. |
| 20:47.45 | Josh_Borke | i wrote a countdown thing for a guildie once |
| 20:47.49 | Josh_Borke | should still work |
| 20:48.28 | Josh_Borke | http://svn.joshborke.is-a-geek.com/trunk/TwinkCountDown/ <-- that could be used as a very poor example |
| 20:48.57 | Arrowmaster | AnduinLothar: i think the author mentioned in the thread on wowace that he only used waterfall because it was easyer to do the recipe selecting/unselecting |
| 20:49.29 | Arrowmaster | maybe somebody will help him turn it into a more generic aceoptions table |
| 20:49.31 | AnduinLothar | ok, but why not make it a global? |
| 20:49.40 | AnduinLothar | ya it's not hard |
| 20:50.14 | Arrowmaster | if i didnt have shit to do id take a look at it since ive switched over to craftlist2 |
| 20:50.30 | AnduinLothar | i wish it worked for bs |
| 20:50.38 | Shirik | 162:482:16 12‹Lactrox12› I had a mod that could do that early on. (C'thun days) but it doesnt work anymore. |
| 20:50.43 | Shirik | nothing has changed that should make that impossible |
| 20:50.49 | Shirik | update the TOC to say ##Interface: 20000 |
| 20:50.52 | AnduinLothar | oh od. |
| 20:51.00 | Shirik | unless it does other things as well |
| 20:51.06 | AnduinLothar | it must not know of the craft till you open the windpow |
| 20:51.19 | Josh_Borke | bye all |
| 20:51.26 | Arrowmaster | yeah you have to open each craft window first |
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| 20:51.52 | Lactrox | Shirik: Well, it was our guilds boss mod. So it could announce alot of things. But thanks. I'll see if that works =) |
| 20:54.21 | Shirik|AFK | 162:542:47 » 2Shirik 14is now known as 2Shirik|AFK |
| 20:54.22 | Shirik|AFK | 162:542:47 » No such nick/channel 2‹Shirik2› |
| 20:54.23 | Shirik|AFK | wtf? |
| 20:54.27 | Shirik|AFK | w/e |
| 20:54.29 | sag_ich_nicht | lol |
| 20:55.41 | Shirik|zZz | night, be back in an hour |
| 20:57.36 | sag_ich_nicht | lol |
| 21:02.17 | zenzelezz | I give him 15 minutes before he's back |
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| 21:08.51 | foxlit | Why is my UIDropDownMenu timeout so miserably low? |
| 21:09.29 | Arrowmaster | sag_ich_nicht: you were looking for the vanaskos author right? |
| 21:09.35 | foxlit | (why does it keep disappearing under my mouse?) |
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| 21:12.52 | zenzelezz | foxlit: only seems to happen to me in various situations; when other things happen to the UI |
| 21:15.04 | sag_ich_nicht | Arrowmaster: yes |
| 21:15.24 | sag_ich_nicht | his addon is rarely parsing tables when it should be parsing strings to AceComm/CTL |
| 21:18.26 | Arrowmaster | sag_ich_nicht: trh_ in wowace |
| 21:20.00 | sag_ich_nicht | Arrowmaster kk |
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| 21:21.51 | sag_ich_nicht | god damn it |
| 21:22.04 | sag_ich_nicht | i managed to climb to the house next to the bank in IF a thousand times before |
| 21:22.11 | sag_ich_nicht | and now i'm being to dumb for it |
| 21:23.17 | Lactrox | Does Chronos still works? The Countdown addon I have (from C'thun days) has chronos as a dependency. Is it possible to get it to work? (I'm a total noob when it comes to wow mods, just trying to get a working countdown addon) |
| 21:23.36 | sag_ich_nicht | Lactrox: it's still working, but you should probably update yours ;P |
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| 21:24.38 | Lactrox | Yea well. It isn't me who made it. And as I said, I'm a total noob so I dont know anything about the making of an addon. :P |
| 21:24.49 | Lactrox | Isn't there a countdown addon out there that works right now? |
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| 21:27.17 | sag_ich_nicht | uh |
| 21:27.20 | sag_ich_nicht | no. |
| 21:27.33 | sag_ich_nicht | but it should be fairly easy to hack one together |
| 21:27.55 | sag_ich_nicht | using a forloop and chronos it would probably take less than 50 lines of code >.> |
| 21:30.10 | sag_ich_nicht | there |
| 21:30.14 | sag_ich_nicht | i managed to climb it up again |
| 21:30.15 | sag_ich_nicht | :O |
| 21:31.40 | Lactrox | Grats =) |
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| 21:54.02 | sag_ich_nicht | is there an addon for playing an alert sound if a specific person on your flist comes online/goes offline? D: |
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| 22:23.47 | N00bZXI | Accidentally pressed shutdown button :\ |
| 22:24.10 | Gngsk | N00b lol |
| 22:24.25 | sag_ich_nicht | lol |
| 22:24.51 | sag_ich_nicht | it's impossible to turn off my system without me really wanting it to turn off |
| 22:24.58 | sag_ich_nicht | unless you unplug it |
| 22:25.54 | N00bZXI | I'm running vista and have sleep button replaced with shutdown button. |
| 22:26.03 | N00bZXI | Which instantly shuts my system off if I press it |
| 22:27.48 | sag_ich_nicht | lol |
| 22:27.59 | sag_ich_nicht | even if you were to unlock the frontdoor of my tower |
| 22:28.06 | sag_ich_nicht | the power button does nothing |
| 22:28.10 | sag_ich_nicht | and when ever i leave the PC it's locked |
| 22:29.20 | N00bZXI | How do you turn it on? |
| 22:31.31 | sag_ich_nicht | N00bZXI: magic. (keyboard) |
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| 22:33.00 | foxlit | Hm, can I get someone to check something? |
| 22:33.14 | foxlit | Make a multi-level UIDropDownMenu listbox |
| 22:33.25 | foxlit | Hover over a first level entry, the second level menu should appear |
| 22:33.32 | foxlit | If you mouse over the arrow, it'll disappear |
| 22:33.37 | foxlit | If you don't, it'll stay visible |
| 22:33.46 | sag_ich_nicht | dropdown menus are broken, wait for patch 2.1.2, iirc. might be related to that :P |
| 22:34.04 | foxlit | Got a link as to how they're broken? |
| 22:34.09 | sag_ich_nicht | uh, wait |
| 22:34.29 | foxlit | I'm more than willing to get the PTR client, but I think the issue is of someone forgetting disableMouse() on a particular button |
| 22:35.05 | sag_ich_nicht | mhm |
| 22:35.06 | sag_ich_nicht | nope |
| 22:35.08 | sag_ich_nicht | different error |
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| 22:35.33 | sag_ich_nicht | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:35.36 | sag_ich_nicht | so i guess no :P |
| 22:37.21 | foxlit | Hm, interesting |
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| 22:37.37 | foxlit | The button in question actually has proper scripting, and that's presumably hiding the menu :/ |
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| 22:38.51 | foxlit | And it uses this. Ugly! |
| 22:43.11 | N00bZXI | Question: Why can't I alt-click items in any kind of bag slots? |
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| 22:49.38 | foxlit | alt click? |
| 22:51.46 | N00bZXI | Yes.. I do, but nothing happens |
| 22:52.11 | N00bZXI | A bit annoying since my alt-bar is my consumables bar and I need to hold down alt to bring it up. |
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| 22:58.49 | foxlit | You mean you cant self-use items by alt-clicking them in inventory? |
| 23:00.58 | N00bZXI | No, I mean I'd like to pick up items in my inventory using alt-click. I have selfcastkey set to none. |
| 23:03.22 | N00bZXI | So I don't see why it won't let me do this |
| 23:03.27 | N00bZXI | Since selfcastkey isn't alt |
| 23:03.54 | foxlit | check framexml? |
| 23:04.02 | foxlit | Can't selfcast from inventory anyway |
| 23:04.42 | zenzelezz | depends what you mean |
| 23:05.08 | zenzelezz | I have auto-self-cast enabled in the interface options and can right-click my bandages anywhere, including bags, to start bandaging myself |
| 23:05.26 | zenzelezz | (without targeting myself) |
| 23:10.43 | foxlit | Hm, my arrows-hiding-the-dropdown-child issue doesn't appear to work on a minimal test case :/ |
| 23:12.37 | bleeter | foxlit: erm, isn't there some fix in 2.1.2 regarding dropdowns? |
| 23:12.51 | bleeter | foxlit: dunno if it has any bearing on your test case, was just a thought |
| 23:13.38 | Shadowed | Is there a function to get the optional deps of an addon? Don't see anything on wiki and trying to avoid sorting through GlueXML |
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| 23:14.45 | cladhaire | getaddonmetadate? |
| 23:14.47 | cladhaire | data? |
| 23:18.26 | Shadowed | doesn't work |
| 23:20.12 | Shadowed | dunno do you remember what MPQ GlueXML is stored in? |
| 23:20.24 | JoshBorke | the left one |
| 23:20.30 | Shadowed | i hate you |
| 23:20.35 | JoshBorke | the right one is too obvious |
| 23:20.48 | Shadowed | i'm adding sorting so no being a smartass |
| 23:20.57 | JoshBorke | oh come on, that was pretty funny |
| 23:21.00 | JoshBorke | i made myself smile |
| 23:21.42 | zenzelezz | adding sorting to what? |
| 23:21.45 | JoshBorke | anyone care to clue me in on nightbane? |
| 23:21.48 | Shadowed | top secret |
| 23:22.00 | JoshBorke | Shadowed: bout damn time if you ask me |
| 23:22.04 | Shadowed | QQ |
| 23:22.18 | Shadowed | not commiting it until I figure out where GlueXML is located |
| 23:22.25 | JoshBorke | to summon nightbane, does only one person need to have the quest? is it repeatable ie, only one person needs to have finished SH? |
| 23:22.32 | zenzelezz | JoshBorke: ground phase: stay at max range but not too far away, don't stand on charred earth; air phase: don't stand too far away, don't kill your group with Rain of Bones |
| 23:22.33 | Shadowed | only one person, and yes it's repeatable |
| 23:23.24 | zenzelezz | and be careful when he lands; he'll cleave non-tanks to death easily |
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| 23:24.23 | foxlit | breath is nasty too |
| 23:24.41 | zenzelezz | yeah, but doesn't hit as hard as cleave from what I can tell |
| 23:25.50 | foxlit | Oh no, it's nasty |
| 23:26.13 | foxlit | While the cleave will kill unlucky people instantly, breath over whole raid is pretty much slow and painful death |
| 23:26.26 | zenzelezz | over the whole raid? Hell yeah, that'll suck |
| 23:26.32 | zenzelezz | I was only talking on one person :) |
| 23:27.36 | zenzelezz | if you're melee, try to be cautious about when he fears; or you could run straight into his cleave/breath |
| 23:31.16 | foxlit | Why does UIDropDownMenu_Initialize call the function you pass it at load time? |
| 23:32.02 | abug | a friendly hello? |
| 23:32.21 | foxlit | Makes no sense :/ |
| 23:34.03 | foxlit | Better question: I'm currently abusing this.value to determine which {hasArrow=1,...} button its hovering over |
| 23:34.10 | foxlit | We all know this is evil, but what do I use instead? |
| 23:34.23 | ckknight | Dewdrop-2.0 |
| 23:34.28 | ckknight | I wrote it cause |
| 23:34.34 | ckknight | Blizzard's dropdowns are evil |
| 23:34.40 | zenzelezz | you mean the function passed to UIDropDownMenu_Initialize() is called later, like when the menu is shown? |
| 23:34.53 | Cide | blizzard's dropdowns are fine |
| 23:35.03 | foxlit | ckknight: thanks, but no thanks. |
| 23:35.06 | foxlit | zenzelezz: no, that part is logical |
| 23:35.17 | Cide | just takes some getting used to |
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| 23:35.47 | ckknight | ah, not powerful or easy enough for me |
| 23:35.53 | foxlit | zenzelezz: it's also called directly in the UIDropDownMenu_Initialize() call |
| 23:36.08 | foxlit | Like lacks the power to embed textboxes? |
| 23:36.11 | zenzelezz | hm, wasn't aware of that |
| 23:36.56 | JoshBorke | design decision imo (embedded texboxes and sliders). i don't think they should be part of a dropdown box. |
| 23:38.02 | foxlit | My opinion as well; plugging them into dropdowns makes for some rather nasty config UIs |
| 23:39.01 | ckknight | ah, it's not so bad |
| 23:39.13 | Cide | ckknight: if by powerful |
| 23:39.46 | Cide | you mean adding sliders, scrolls, buttons and god knows what other widgets to dropdowns? |
| 23:39.52 | JoshBorke | purl, comfort Shadowed |
| 23:39.53 | purl | There, there, Shadowed. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 23:39.59 | Shadowed | die |
| 23:40.09 | JoshBorke | what?! it was in good faith |
| 23:40.11 | JoshBorke | geeze |
| 23:40.16 | ckknight | Cide: easy radio buttons and such as well |
| 23:40.21 | Cide | ok |
| 23:40.33 | ckknight | Cide: buttons were in Blizz dropdowns. |
| 23:40.42 | Cide | scratch that one then |
| 23:40.51 | Cide | so pretty much the opposite of what dropdowns should be used for? |
| 23:41.02 | ckknight | really, the only things it adds are sliders and textedits |
| 23:41.12 | Cide | and scrolls |
| 23:41.17 | ckknight | everything else is what was previously in Blizz dropdowns, only more accessible |
| 23:41.18 | ckknight | scrolls? |
| 23:41.22 | ckknight | what do you mean by scrolls? |
| 23:41.37 | Cide | oh, I guess that's not a dropdown, nvm |
| 23:41.39 | Cide | forget that one |
| 23:42.06 | Cide | I think I'll have my entire UI inside a dropdown, that'd be cool |
| 23:42.54 | bleeter | ‽ |
| 23:43.21 | JoshBorke | that would be awesome |
| 23:43.56 | JoshBorke | WOOT! pitchLimit is back for 2.2 |
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| 23:46.24 | nymbia | you know what i hate more than anything? |
| 23:46.36 | nymbia | people who do things slightly differently than myself |
| 23:47.17 | foxlit | Yeah, those are so annoying! |
| 23:47.23 | nymbia | ;) |
| 23:47.56 | foxlit | [Correct answer to my question was: instead of this.value (EVIL!) use UIDROPDOWNMENU_MENU_VALUE] |
| 23:48.20 | ckknight | ick |
| 23:48.22 | foxlit | (broke arrows since when arrow is hovered over, this. does not evaluate to button, hence this.value is nil and the child list is hidden) |
| 23:49.22 | N00bZXI | Efficiency Question: Is it better to store UnitClass(unit) in a temporary variable, or call it twice? |
| 23:50.16 | Cide- | Efficiency Answer: irrelevant |
| 23:50.30 | N00bZXI | How so? |
| 23:50.45 | cladhaire | because its just a reference either way |
| 23:50.52 | cladhaire | the string is in the system and won't be GC'd. |
| 23:50.57 | Cide- | and also because the difference is negligible |
| 23:51.00 | cladhaire | yep |
| 23:51.05 | cladhaire | if we're not talking OnUpdate |
| 23:51.07 | cladhaire | it doesn't matter |
| 23:51.49 | Cide- | if the code is run once, and you're talking two calls as opposed to one, it's 100% irrelevant |
| 23:52.14 | Cide- | so you go with whatever gives you the readable code |
| 23:52.39 | N00bZXI | I guess it is negligible since it's only ran when I mouse over a unit. |
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| 23:53.28 | nymbia | N00bZXI: some of the tooltip stuff fires OnUpdate, so be careful with that |
| 23:54.03 | N00bZXI | nymbia: My code is only ran every time GameTooltip:SetUnit is ran |
| 23:54.38 | N00bZXI | And to my knowledge that isn't ran OnUpdate |
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