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| 00:16.57 | kaiden | it's one of the worst things in the game imo |
| 00:17.41 | foxlit | Nah? :) |
| 00:17.57 | foxlit | Can't remember the last time it bothered me |
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| 00:22.23 | kaiden | foxlit, all i've got to say is people need to learn to use Niagra :P |
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| 00:24.35 | placebo | god f'n connecting is dying |
| 00:24.43 | placebo | [17:19] <pakoz2> yo |
| 00:24.43 | placebo | [17:20] <pakoz2> i came across a mod that showed important debuffs first |
| 00:24.43 | placebo | [17:20] <pakoz2> or it could be customized |
| 00:24.55 | placebo | so curse elements/sunder/tclap/weakens/shadows etc |
| 00:25.01 | placebo | would show first |
| 00:25.19 | sag_ich_nicht | gah, i'll sleep now, n8 |
| 00:25.27 | placebo | peace |
| 00:31.32 | Thunder_Child | kaiden, and waterfall...right? |
| 00:31.40 | kaiden | Thunder_Child, yup |
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| 01:42.37 | Wobin | oo |
| 01:42.40 | Wobin | new wine |
| 01:44.35 | |Jelly| | umm...pong? |
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| 02:06.09 | placebo | anyone know a mod for sorting debuffs on enemy, so i can do a quick scan for sunder/weakness/cos/coe/tclap? |
| 02:07.53 | Industrial | >>> |
| 02:08.11 | placebo | O.o? |
| 02:08.36 | Industrial | trying to access a lua bot |
| 02:08.41 | Industrial | >>> print('foo') |
| 02:08.41 | Cide | Industrial: "foo" |
| 02:08.44 | Industrial | ok |
| 02:09.23 | Industrial | >>> function print(str) print('lol') end print('foo') print('bar') |
| 02:09.24 | Cide | Industrial: d:\lua\input.tmp:173: stack overflow |
| 02:09.32 | Industrial | >_O |
| 02:09.51 | Industrial | well i guess |
| 02:10.00 | Industrial | the real question is can I redefine print for wow? |
| 02:10.43 | Industrial | eg function print(str,cf) if not str then return end cf=cf or ChatFrame1 cf:AddMessage(str) end |
| 02:14.48 | Industrial | apparently so \o/ |
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| 02:39.26 | Shirik | night Cairenn|afk :) |
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| 03:53.45 | pakoz | Anyone know of a mod that sorts debuffs on an enemy, basically i want to see sunderarmor/coe/cos/coweakness on the fly |
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| 04:18.40 | ckknight | sort by what? |
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| 04:32.38 | Cide | so that you actually see what you're looking for I'm guessing... |
| 04:32.47 | Cide | i.e. sunder/coe/cos/coweakness |
| 04:34.34 | MentalPower | grr... I HATE SMTP |
| 04:38.00 | Shirik | lol |
| 04:38.02 | Shirik | SMTP ftw! |
| 04:38.06 | Shirik | it's simple! |
| 04:40.39 | MentalPower | BS |
| 04:41.05 | Nom- | SMTP is freakin easy |
| 04:41.07 | Nom- | So is POP3 |
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| 04:41.45 | Shirik | even the name says it's simple! |
| 04:41.51 | Shirik | ~wiki SMTP |
| 04:42.01 | Shirik | see that |
| 04:42.04 | Shirik | SIMPLE mail transfer protocol |
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| 04:47.41 | MentalPower | you try to implement one |
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| 05:15.04 | MentalPower | anyone have any experience with getting dns records using perl? |
| 05:23.00 | pakoz | Anyone know of a mod that sorts debuffs on an enemy, basically i want to see sunderarmor/coe/cos/coweakness on the fly |
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| 05:45.20 | N00bZXI | targetNearestDistance + targetNearestDistanceRadius |
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| 06:38.11 | Tem|AFK | FUCKING WOOT |
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| 06:38.13 | Tem|AFK | SHARTUUL DOWN |
| 06:38.17 | SpiderFLS | hi |
| 06:38.54 | SpiderFLS | how do i calculate the base mana? |
| 06:39.28 | cogwheel | check out how the paper doll frame does it |
| 06:39.59 | cogwheel | So... I need to remember never to abbreviate the name of an addon I'm writing... its initials are STD |
| 06:43.57 | Tem|AFK | lol |
| 06:43.57 | SpiderFLS | if i have a base int of 270, is the base mana 270*15? |
| 06:45.02 | subbawt | you have a base amount of mana, and then the mana you get from intellect |
| 06:45.34 | SpiderFLS | so i cant calculate the base mana from my base int? |
| 06:45.40 | subbawt | well |
| 06:46.22 | subbawt | I have 297 intellect and 9165 mana, so 9165-297*15 = base mana for a level 70 priest |
| 06:46.36 | subbawt | err 435 intellect :P |
| 06:47.03 | SpiderFLS | oh ok |
| 06:47.24 | subbawt | Depending on your class, you get a certain amount of mana each time you level. |
| 06:48.20 | SpiderFLS | so the 435 int is with items included or is it the base int? |
| 06:48.28 | subbawt | with items included |
| 06:48.35 | SpiderFLS | ok |
| 06:48.38 | subbawt | you also get a certain amount of intellect per level |
| 06:48.52 | subbawt | Like I have 143 base intellect (with no gear on) |
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| 07:09.45 | cogwheel | Can anyone think of a name for my addon that doesn't have STD for initials? It's a small example addon that creates a text-only unit frame... Right now it's called SimpleTargetData |
| 07:10.05 | cogwheel | (and nothing vague or artsy please :P ) |
| 07:16.18 | cogwheel | nm. thought of something (boring but meaningful) |
| 07:18.24 | subbawt | SimpleTargetFrame? |
| 07:18.41 | cogwheel | All it needs is U! |
| 07:18.57 | cogwheel | :P |
| 07:19.02 | cogwheel | TargetText |
| 07:19.08 | SpiderFLS | hmm somethings wrong with this base mana formula... if my base int is 270 and my mana is 7064 then the base mana would be 3014. but if i compare the cost of purge (8% base mana) with 8% from 3014 then the purge cost is smaller:/ |
| 07:19.23 | subbawt | how much does purge cost? |
| 07:19.29 | SpiderFLS | 236 |
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| 07:21.07 | SpiderFLS | the tooltip from my int is 270(104+166) so is 270 really the base int? |
| 07:22.05 | subbawt | well if you just work backwards from the mana cost it gives you |
| 07:22.24 | subbawt | 236*12.5 = 2950 |
| 07:22.54 | SpiderFLS | why 12.5? |
| 07:23.10 | subbawt | 12.5 * 8% = 100% |
| 07:23.14 | SpiderFLS | ah lol |
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| 07:23.31 | subbawt | i suspect you have the +5% mana talent? |
| 07:23.46 | SpiderFLS | yes |
| 07:24.15 | SpiderFLS | ^^ |
| 07:25.35 | subbawt | link your armory profile to me |
| 07:26.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Okay, now I'm curious. Is there any way to macro the "catch a fish" part of fishing? |
| 07:26.08 | ScytheBlade1 | I know I can do /cast Fishing to cast my line.. |
| 07:26.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | afaik all you can do without breaking the ToS is click the bobber at the right time |
| 07:26.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | :[ |
| 07:26.40 | ScytheBlade1 | :/ |
| 07:27.01 | ScytheBlade1 | I just want /cast Fishing to either cast the line or pick up the bobber |
| 07:27.20 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm at 232 fishing currently, have a long ways to go |
| 07:27.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Roughly 1600 more fish.. |
| 07:27.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Or 6.666... hours of no latency fishing |
| 07:28.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm at |
| 07:28.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | uhh... 263 i think |
| 07:28.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | i stopped leveling it in like 05 |
| 07:28.50 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 07:28.58 | Punkie` | You still need to get the Adamantite Fishing Pole! |
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| 07:29.41 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm using, check this |
| 07:29.44 | ScytheBlade1 | "Fishing Pole" |
| 07:30.01 | Punkie` | You should really think about getting Seth's at least :p |
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| 07:30.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Once I get /375 I plan on getting the tourney pole ;P |
| 07:31.12 | Punkie` | yeah, that's the adamantite one |
| 07:31.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah |
| 07:31.27 | Punkie` | but!! you can't stop there |
| 07:31.38 | Punkie` | eternium fishing line, boots and hat! |
| 07:32.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | i have uhhh |
| 07:32.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | the quest one in outland |
| 07:32.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | and had the one from the lobster cages in desolace |
| 07:32.35 | ScytheBlade1 | It's all planned |
| 07:32.40 | Punkie` | hehe |
| 07:32.44 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm one of those people who starts, and I don't go half way |
| 07:32.52 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm leveling fishing in order to level cooking |
| 07:32.53 | Punkie` | I think I have capped fishing skill now :p |
| 07:32.57 | Punkie` | over 500! :o |
| 07:33.05 | ScytheBlade1 | So really, my goal is to level cooking, but to do that, I need to level fishing |
| 07:33.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | there's no way i'll ever level it legitimately |
| 07:33.13 | Punkie` | yeah, good plan |
| 07:33.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | which means i probably will never level it |
| 07:33.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | because i value my account |
| 07:33.35 | Punkie` | I levelled it whilst watching many episodes of tv series |
| 07:33.54 | Punkie` | 20 - 375 in the barrens |
| 07:34.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Haha, that's what I'm doing. |
| 07:34.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Then I'm sending my guild bank 500 Savory Deviate Delights. |
| 07:34.30 | Punkie` | haha |
| 07:34.39 | Punkie` | it's all good |
| 07:35.00 | ScytheBlade1 | *600 |
| 07:35.04 | ScytheBlade1 | I've already got 100 |
| 07:35.55 | Punkie` | not bad |
| 07:36.11 | Punkie` | Just wait until outland |
| 07:36.19 | Punkie` | vendorfish are where it's at ;) |
| 07:36.32 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm debating moving there once I can catch those |
| 07:36.46 | ScytheBlade1 | In the same sense, that's a lot of deviate delights that I wouldn't be catching |
| 07:36.54 | Punkie` | yeah, true |
| 07:37.05 | Punkie` | but it's nice when you are just grinding for some other fish ;) |
| 07:37.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | 2.1.3 is pretty boring so far |
| 07:37.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | :[ |
| 07:44.34 | cogwheel | can you set a point on a child frame relative to a point the parent and set some other point on the parent relative to the child? |
| 07:57.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | man you just blew my mind |
| 08:02.45 | Thunder_Child | what are the macro command to get a toons name and class? |
| 08:03.27 | Thunder_Child | nvm |
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| 08:04.31 | Thunder_Child | hmm...is there a way to get a class..like %t gets a name? |
| 08:06.57 | Thunder_Child | guess not |
| 08:09.56 | cogwheel | Thunder_Child: see my MacroTalk addon |
| 08:10.20 | Thunder_Child | i know there is an addon for it, i just was trying to see if it was buit in |
| 08:10.44 | Thunder_Child | like it would be that hard to have %c return class |
| 08:11.06 | MentalPower | its not hard, but slouken does not want to pollute that namespace |
| 08:11.09 | cogwheel | all we have is %t & %f .... |
| 08:11.15 | Thunder_Child | and %n |
| 08:11.25 | Thunder_Child | which is == to %t |
| 08:11.37 | cogwheel | Mr_Rabies2: think of it this way... I want a frame that I can move around and the children follow, but I also want the frame's height to be dependent on the position of the bottom-most child |
| 08:12.05 | cogwheel | And I was hoping to take advantage of the built-in anchor mechanism instead of doing the work myself |
| 08:12.28 | cogwheel | Unrelated question: are fontheights not inheritable? |
| 08:16.22 | cogwheel | apparently not... "TargetTextFrame:SetPoint(): TargetTextFrameManaLabel is dependent on this" |
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| 08:23.59 | SpiderFLS | ok i have some more questions about base mana, my base int is 104 and my mana is 4238(no talents) purge costs 236 (8% base mana). now according to the purge cost the base mana should be 2950 and i should get this value with 4238-104*15 but this will result in 2678. what do i do wrong? |
| 08:25.24 | SpiderFLS | also in the cahr info my mana is increased by 1280 with this 104 base int but 104*15 is 1288.. waht do i miss there? |
| 08:26.17 | SpiderFLS | ah wrong 104*15 is 1560... |
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| 08:28.07 | SpiderFLS | can someone please help me with this? is there something else that i miss to calculate the base mana? |
| 08:29.08 | MentalPower | >>> 104*15 |
| 08:29.14 | MentalPower | lua> 104*15 |
| 08:29.25 | MentalPower | bah... |
| 08:29.33 | MentalPower | neither of the bots are running |
| 08:29.40 | MentalPower | lua> print(104*15) |
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| 08:32.55 | SpiderFLS | can it be that i dont gain 15 mana per int? |
| 08:33.30 | subbawt | you're gaining 15.75 because of your talent |
| 08:33.41 | SpiderFLS | i unlearned the talent |
| 08:34.32 | SpiderFLS | i dont have it anymore and i dont get the logic with this mana calculation, it doesent make sense..... |
| 08:34.46 | subbawt | hmm |
| 08:34.54 | subbawt | what is your character name? |
| 08:34.57 | subbawt | i want to see your armory |
| 08:35.23 | SpiderFLS | i already linked it to you |
| 08:35.48 | subbawt | i don't see it, I did a text search of this chat window |
| 08:36.34 | SpiderFLS | can you read my message? |
| 08:36.52 | subbawt | oh did you try to send me a private message? i didn't get one |
| 08:37.00 | SpiderFLS | yes... |
| 08:37.06 | subbawt | try now |
| 08:37.12 | subbawt | i hadn't identified with nickserv |
| 08:37.47 | SpiderFLS | do you get it? |
| 08:37.51 | subbawt | no :( |
| 08:37.56 | SpiderFLS | ... |
| 08:38.04 | SpiderFLS | i get yours |
| 08:38.12 | subbawt | odd |
| 08:38.15 | SpiderFLS | strange |
| 08:38.52 | SpiderFLS | why do you need the armory link anyway? |
| 08:39.13 | subbawt | just to look at the numbers all in one place |
| 08:40.10 | subbawt | armory also says on the tooltip for intellect "increases mana by N" |
| 08:40.46 | SpiderFLS | yes and when i unequip everything it says it increases by 1280 with a base int of 104 |
| 08:40.52 | SpiderFLS | without any talents |
| 08:41.35 | subbawt | what level are you? |
| 08:41.39 | SpiderFLS | 70 |
| 08:42.11 | subbawt | It's weird, if I divide the "increases mana by x" number by my intellect I get 14.384615 mana per intellect. |
| 08:42.33 | N00bZXI | Is there any reason Blizzard auto-loot sometimes randomly doesn't work? (I don't have the modifier pressed) |
| 08:43.03 | SpiderFLS | thats why im confused... i only get 12.3.. |
| 08:43.23 | subbawt | maybe it varies by class, and i'm not aware of it or something |
| 08:43.52 | SpiderFLS | it does but inly by a value of 2 or so |
| 08:44.57 | SpiderFLS | well the other question is that if i multiply 104*15 i get 1560 so where does this 1280 come from |
| 08:45.30 | SpiderFLS | and also as you mentioned earlier my base mana should be 2950 because purge costs 236(8% base mana) |
| 08:46.01 | SpiderFLS | but my max mana is 4238 and 4238-2950 is 1288... |
| 08:49.48 | SpiderFLS | so i guess there is something i dont know about this int thing and i cant figure out whats missing:/ |
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| 08:54.41 | subbawt | the priest formula for dispel magic seems to be pretty accurate |
| 08:55.13 | SpiderFLS | whats the formula? |
| 08:55.15 | subbawt | What is your base intellect, total intellect, and total mana? |
| 08:56.00 | SpiderFLS | i unequiped all my items and the basi int is 104, there are no other values and my max mana is 4238 |
| 08:56.31 | subbawt | and how much does purge cost? |
| 08:56.36 | SpiderFLS | 236 |
| 08:56.57 | subbawt | strange |
| 08:57.07 | subbawt | I can't figure out what's going on :P |
| 08:57.43 | SpiderFLS | oh seems they changed the cost to 10%.... |
| 08:58.18 | SpiderFLS | now maybe it makes more sense with this value^^ |
| 08:58.21 | SpiderFLS | lets see |
| 08:58.46 | subbawt | why are you calculating all of this anyways? :P |
| 08:59.11 | SpiderFLS | i need a formula for base mana calculation |
| 09:00.14 | subbawt | According to my character sheet, having 455 intellect increases my max mana by 6545. |
| 09:00.32 | subbawt | but 455*15 = 6825 |
| 09:00.38 | SpiderFLS | ^^ |
| 09:00.47 | SpiderFLS | so what do we miss? |
| 09:01.39 | subbawt | I don't know -_- |
| 09:01.46 | SpiderFLS | maybe you dont gain 15 mana per int on the base mana or so |
| 09:03.21 | AnduinLothar | or maybe it's 14 per int and you have a base of 280 mana w/o int |
| 09:03.46 | SpiderFLS | hmm |
| 09:04.06 | AnduinLothar | easy to test. take off all your gear |
| 09:04.22 | AnduinLothar | do you have any tallents that add int or mana? |
| 09:04.40 | SpiderFLS | i have no gear and no talents at this moment^^ |
| 09:04.52 | AnduinLothar | adn 455 int>? |
| 09:05.01 | SpiderFLS | no 104 |
| 09:05.01 | subbawt | that's me that has 455 int |
| 09:05.11 | subbawt | he has 104 intellect and 4238 mana |
| 09:05.28 | SpiderFLS | and the int tooltip says it adds 1280 mana |
| 09:06.44 | AnduinLothar | well that would put it at 12.3 mana per int and 2958 mana base.. which doesn't make much sense |
| 09:07.06 | SpiderFLS | orly^^ |
| 09:07.56 | SpiderFLS | ok i try something new... i have 4238 mana and 1280 should come from int, that would left me with 2958 mana |
| 09:08.18 | SpiderFLS | and according to the purge cost my base mana should be 2360... |
| 09:08.34 | subbawt | put on an item that has intellect on it |
| 09:08.40 | SpiderFLS | so there is 598 mana left.. but where does it come from? |
| 09:08.48 | subbawt | and see how much mana you gain per intellect from that |
| 09:09.47 | SpiderFLS | ok i equiped an item with 20int and have now 4538 mana |
| 09:10.04 | SpiderFLS | s300 mana from 20 int |
| 09:11.15 | SpiderFLS | so the 15mana per int should be correct... |
| 09:11.21 | SpiderFLS | i dont get it:/ |
| 09:11.56 | AnduinLothar | well. pally int is definitely 15 mana per int... |
| 09:12.09 | N00bZXI | How much mana do you have and how much int do you have? |
| 09:12.29 | SpiderFLS | i have 104 int and 4238 mana without talents or equip |
| 09:13.23 | N00bZXI | 2678 base? |
| 09:13.43 | AnduinLothar | and pallies have about 3673 base mana @ lvl 70 |
| 09:13.46 | AnduinLothar | er |
| 09:13.50 | AnduinLothar | 2673 |
| 09:13.54 | SpiderFLS | according to the purge cost it should be 2360 |
| 09:14.21 | SpiderFLS | purge costs 236 mana (10% base mana) |
| 09:14.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | you have no mana increasing talents? |
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| 09:14.34 | SpiderFLS | no |
| 09:14.37 | AnduinLothar | yeah so 2675 sounds liek a nice base # :) |
| 09:15.15 | SpiderFLS | why should my base mana be 2675 when purge costs 236 ? |
| 09:15.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | i think blizzard rounds things in the most assbackwards manner possible |
| 09:15.35 | AnduinLothar | maybe purge uses some coeficient you don't know of. |
| 09:15.54 | AnduinLothar | it tends to round before calculatign some things |
| 09:16.02 | AnduinLothar | rather than after |
| 09:16.13 | N00bZXI | My priest is getting exactly 15 mana per int |
| 09:16.24 | AnduinLothar | same with my pally |
| 09:16.28 | N00bZXI | And dispel (14%) is getting the exact number for base mana |
| 09:16.32 | SpiderFLS | whats to round there if i use 236 mana for purge and it says it costs 10% base mana? |
| 09:16.57 | N00bZXI | Does your toon have any buffs? |
| 09:17.01 | AnduinLothar | is it effected by spell dmg?11.33% |
| 09:17.05 | N00bZXI | that might increase it's mana? |
| 09:17.08 | SpiderFLS | no buffs |
| 09:17.25 | AnduinLothar | cause base int gives spell dmg... |
| 09:17.30 | AnduinLothar | er |
| 09:17.31 | AnduinLothar | nm |
| 09:17.34 | AnduinLothar | that's crit |
| 09:17.54 | N00bZXI | Then that don't make no sense |
| 09:17.58 | SpiderFLS | i have 0 spell dmg |
| 09:18.30 | N00bZXI | Mouse over your int stat |
| 09:18.38 | N00bZXI | How much int and how much mana does it say it gives |
| 09:18.57 | SpiderFLS | 104 int and 1280 mana |
| 09:19.27 | N00bZXI | 181 int = 2435 mana for my priest |
| 09:19.35 | N00bZXI | 13.4 mana per int |
| 09:19.36 | N00bZXI | strange |
| 09:19.50 | subbawt | i'm just going to assume blizzard is wrong |
| 09:20.01 | N00bZXI | perhaps base int has a different mana per int |
| 09:20.02 | AnduinLothar | tooltips suck btw.. |
| 09:20.03 | N00bZXI | than int from items? |
| 09:21.31 | N00bZXI | hmm, 100 int = 1220 mana |
| 09:21.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | tooltips are about as reliable as your cousin dave, the guy that's been busted for selling illegal drugs in 3 states |
| 09:22.05 | subbawt | lol |
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| 09:22.56 | SpiderFLS | so i should create the formula on speculation? |
| 09:23.01 | SpiderFLS | ^^ |
| 09:23.17 | SpiderFLS | i somehow dont like that.... |
| 09:23.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | base mana may be your mana not including mana from "your intellect increases by x" as you level |
| 09:23.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | aka mana before int |
| 09:23.42 | N00bZXI | according to dispel my base mana is 1207 |
| 09:23.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm not sure though, that wouldn't make MUCH sense |
| 09:23.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | since you were off by only a few hundred |
| 09:24.12 | N00bZXI | int increases by 1220 |
| 09:24.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | then again, when you level, you get "your mana increases by x" |
| 09:24.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | as well as int |
| 09:24.27 | N00bZXI | 7 mp difference between what i should have and what i have |
| 09:24.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | same with hp/stam |
| 09:24.55 | N00bZXI | isn't that added to base mana? |
| 09:25.05 | SpiderFLS | the difference here is much bigger... 280 |
| 09:25.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | hell if i know |
| 09:25.44 | SpiderFLS | so lets find out how much i gain per level and look if that would make any sense^^ |
| 09:26.29 | N00bZXI | i can tell you how much i gain in 10% xp |
| 09:27.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | i remember they had to nerf the mana cost of shapeshifting in bc |
| 09:27.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | because in 2.0, 55% of base mana was more % of mana with no +int than it was at 60 |
| 09:27.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | at 70, that is |
| 09:28.13 | SpiderFLS | yes the base mana increases per level... |
| 09:28.19 | SpiderFLS | so did the purge cost |
| 09:28.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | 55% of base mana was a higher percentage of our mana with 0 +int items at 70 than 60 |
| 09:28.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | base mana went up by a larger amount than our mana pool |
| 09:30.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | it was a bigger hit to our mana pool at 70 than 60, and was almost unmanagable only being able to shift 4 times instead of 6 or 7 with 0 +int |
| 09:31.04 | SpiderFLS | well purge is also way to expensive for my manapool but thats not the problem here^^ |
| 09:32.05 | SpiderFLS | do you know where if the points gained per stats are the same from lvl 1 to 70? |
| 09:32.19 | SpiderFLS | arrr |
| 09:32.34 | SpiderFLS | -where |
| 09:32.57 | subbawt | health and mana have always been the same |
| 09:33.08 | subbawt | things like crit and such vary |
| 09:33.42 | SpiderFLS | what i mean is if i gain a level i gain some stats. is this the same all the way to 70? |
| 09:33.49 | subbawt | oh |
| 09:34.01 | subbawt | I doubt it |
| 09:37.15 | AnduinLothar | lol i just got top killing blows in my eots |
| 09:37.28 | AnduinLothar | on my pally |
| 09:37.38 | SpiderFLS | nice:D |
| 09:40.57 | SpiderFLS | hmm just leveled a shaman one lvl and it says i gained 7mana and 1 int... |
| 09:42.16 | SpiderFLS | and the tooltip says 19int and that increases mana by 19 o_O |
| 09:42.31 | SpiderFLS | wtf |
| 09:46.52 | Kirkburn | I think it's separate |
| 09:47.00 | Kirkburn | You gained 7 base mana, and 1 int on top |
| 09:47.45 | SpiderFLS | yes but why does 19 int give 19 mana ? |
| 09:48.36 | AnduinLothar | cause the wow gods said so |
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| 09:51.37 | SpiderFLS | so if i have 72 mana at lvl 1 and 17 int would my base mana be 55? |
| 09:54.04 | N00bZXI | 52 --> 53: +54mp, +2 int |
| 09:54.22 | SpiderFLS | shaman? |
| 09:54.38 | N00bZXI | priest |
| 09:57.02 | SpiderFLS | so i would probably need the complete lvl data to find out whats going on with this:/ |
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| 10:05.09 | SpiderFLS | hmm on wowwiki it says purge costs 10% base mana and on thottbot/wowhead its 8%... so any idea whats the correct value? |
| 10:05.48 | AnduinLothar | 11.33 |
| 10:06.45 | SpiderFLS | ? |
| 10:08.36 | Punkie` | i'd go with wowhead |
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| 10:12.39 | SpiderFLS | ok then there is a 8mp difference in base mana calculated from purge and base mana from maxmana-gained from base int... |
| 10:13.33 | zenzelezz | WoWWiki seems to have some peculiar % values; it says 7% base health for Bloodrage, while thott/wowhead say 16% |
| 10:13.47 | N00bZXI | 16% is old |
| 10:13.50 | N00bZXI | to my knowledge |
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| 10:15.18 | zenzelezz | all I know is it costs 711 for me; no clue what my base HP is \o/ |
| 10:18.11 | SpiderFLS | this is some real pain with this stupid base mana. no mater what it doesent mak any sense |
| 10:19.02 | [dRaCo] | ma |
| 10:19.18 | [dRaCo] | makes spells more expensive for gnomes :> |
| 10:19.25 | SpiderFLS | is there an other way to calculate the manacost of a spell that uses %base mana? |
| 10:20.30 | [dRaCo] | besides calculating the % of your base mana? dont think so |
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| 10:37.00 | foxlit | Can you do something evil like ... = string.match(str, pattern)? |
| 10:45.10 | zenzelezz | you mean to literally assign to the "..." variable? |
| 10:45.14 | foxlit | Yep |
| 10:45.20 | foxlit | No. :) |
| 10:45.35 | foxlit | Store a variable number of arguments without resorting to tables |
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| 11:04.35 | krka | so.. my onboard sound fried itself up |
| 11:04.45 | krka | should i buy a new mainboard or just a pci soundcard? |
| 11:05.15 | zenzelezz | sound cards aren't very expensive; but the same could be said about motherboards |
| 11:05.54 | zenzelezz | I'm not a fan of on-board sound myself, but that's only a personal opinion; technically I think they've become pretty good since I last used it |
| 11:06.39 | N00bZXI | Depending on your processor onboard might be faster due the fact that sound cards use pci |
| 11:08.54 | krka | buying a new soundcard is fairly cheap and easy to install |
| 11:08.59 | krka | replacing mobo is annoying |
| 11:09.21 | krka | mostly worried that the entire mobo is faulty and i'd have to replace it all sooner or later anyway |
| 11:09.35 | foxlit | If someone has time, I could use a quick read-through of http://www.wowwiki.com/HOWTO:_Identify_Buffs_Using_Textures :) |
| 11:09.44 | krka | is it common for just individual part of the mobo to fail? |
| 11:11.12 | N00bZXI | foxlit: What are you trying to do? |
| 11:12.34 | foxlit | I don't think I'm trying to do anything :) |
| 11:12.53 | foxlit | Mainly replaced the older UnitBuff/UnitDebuff specific howto-like pages with this rather generic one |
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| 11:14.32 | N00bZXI_ | wow, every time the phone rings I seem to d/c from everything, coincidence? |
| 11:14.38 | foxlit | No |
| 11:14.39 | Gnarfoz | no |
| 11:14.41 | Gnarfoz | dsl? |
| 11:14.50 | foxlit | Lack of filter on phone connection |
| 11:14.53 | Gnarfoz | indeed |
| 11:15.02 | Gnarfoz | or at the wrong point in the connection ^^ |
| 11:15.30 | N00bZXI_ | I do have a filter, and it reconnects even while talking on the phone |
| 11:16.29 | Gnarfoz | faulty filter?^^ |
| 11:16.44 | Gnarfoz | dunno, sounds like exactly what happens when the dsl filter is not doing what it's supposed to do |
| 11:16.45 | N00bZXI_ | Could be, I'll take a look, thanks |
| 11:17.12 | N00bZXI_ | ...this is why I don't use dsl at home |
| 11:27.06 | Matrix110 | Why dsl works fine |
| 11:27.09 | Matrix110 | (atleast here) |
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| 12:07.32 | SpiderFLS | someone with a mage here? |
| 12:11.05 | SpiderFLS | i think i got the relation between the int value and the mana gained from it |
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| 12:48.23 | foxlit | SpiderFLS: 15 mana / int is uniform, I think. |
| 12:48.39 | foxlit | Unless you have talents that change it :) |
| 12:50.02 | SpiderFLS | yes but i had to figure out what the relation between the int value and the mana gained from int int the tooltip was.. seems that its just int*15-280.. |
| 12:54.53 | sag_ich_nicht | if anyone else is having problems with AMD CPUs, check if you have the registry key from here set(it should be auto-set by video driver installation, and applies not only to the hardware named there since that's a bit outdated): http://support.microsoft.com/?scid=kb%3Ben-us%3B270715&x=16&y=6 |
| 12:54.55 | sag_ich_nicht | >_< |
| 13:00.03 | zenzelezz | ffs, water elementals bugging up. Moving around without *actually* doing so, so the corpse is too far away from the real location to be able to loot them |
| 13:00.32 | foxlit | mount up, get out of range, get back in range |
| 13:00.35 | foxlit | problem solved. |
| 13:00.42 | zenzelezz | under water |
| 13:00.51 | foxlit | Doesn't really matter |
| 13:01.02 | foxlit | Just get the corpses to disappear from your screen |
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| 13:28.35 | SpiderFLS | do mages have a talent to increase mana? |
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| 13:30.32 | foxlit | Yes |
| 13:33.40 | SpiderFLS | do you know the name of the talent? |
| 13:33.59 | [dRaCo] | "lol, need more mana" |
| 13:34.43 | SpiderFLS | strange name for a talent^^ |
| 13:34.48 | [dRaCo] | Arcane Mind |
| 13:34.51 | Lunessa | "That's not ready yet." "You're out of range." "I can't do that yet." |
| 13:34.54 | SpiderFLS | thx:D |
| 13:34.55 | [dRaCo] | Increases your total intellect by {3/6/9/12/15}%. |
| 13:36.15 | [dRaCo] | Shamans have a talent like that, too, btw. "Ancestral Knowledge", 1-5% more mana |
| 13:37.27 | SpiderFLS | so if you skill arcane mind does it increase the int int value shown in the char window or just the base int? |
| 13:38.28 | [dRaCo] | since it says total, it'll increase the total value, not just the base |
| 13:38.59 | SpiderFLS | ah yes that makes sense^^ |
| 13:39.58 | foxlit | Bah, I want to steal that talent! |
| 13:40.09 | foxlit | +15% is good in my branch! :) |
| 13:40.37 | [dRaCo] | I'd prefer 15% more Int over 5% more Mana, too :> |
| 13:42.16 | N00bZXI | I'd prefer -spell mana cost over that |
| 13:44.03 | zenzelezz | Need more rage. |
| 13:46.04 | Lunessa | I can't carry anymore. |
| 13:46.13 | foxlit | 15% more int would stack with my mp5-from-int and damage-from-int talents, that'd be imba |
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| 14:19.36 | sag_ich_nicht | console or script command to enable an addon so it's loaded the next time you reloadui |
| 14:19.37 | sag_ich_nicht | quick |
| 14:19.38 | sag_ich_nicht | >.> |
| 14:21.03 | sag_ich_nicht | have it |
| 14:21.09 | sag_ich_nicht | (EnableAddon ><) |
| 14:23.06 | N00bZXI | EnableAddOn |
| 14:23.11 | N00bZXI | (addon) |
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| 14:38.50 | sag_ich_nicht | yeah as i said i already have it thanks anyway |
| 14:39.45 | Lopeppeppy | Random question, since I'm not awake enough to figure it out.... I seem to remember you can download the BC client from the WoW website, but I can't find where -- anyone know it offhand? |
| 14:43.32 | Lunessa | one sec... |
| 14:43.46 | Industrial | http://pastey.net/70097 |
| 14:43.56 | Industrial | WHy do I keep rewriting this? |
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| 14:45.49 | Lunessa | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/burningcrusade/trial/ |
| 14:46.19 | Lunessa | masochism? |
| 14:46.47 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah.... we tried the trial version, it tells him he already has a TBC account but thanks for the interest. Trying to help a friend who is having serious bad juju re-installing TBC after a system wipe. |
| 14:46.58 | Lopeppeppy | Good morning and thanks, Lunessa! |
| 14:47.27 | Lunessa | Bah... Ok.. I'll look around some more. |
| 14:47.45 | Lopeppeppy | It had to be a Saturday when he decided to do this... |
| 14:49.04 | Lunessa | Hah! Have him login to his account via the website. Download link is there. |
| 14:49.57 | Lunessa | I r teh winz. |
| 14:51.52 | Lopeppeppy | On the Account Management page? |
| 14:52.31 | Lunessa | Yes. |
| 14:55.07 | Industrial | Lunessa: fun, I guess =P |
| 14:55.22 | Lunessa | Industrial: Haha! |
| 14:55.44 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa, you're a goddess. *bows low* Having the new client to install will keep him busy while I do my cat-servant errands, and hopefully it will work better. |
| 14:56.04 | Lunessa | You got the KITTEH! |
| 14:58.02 | Lopeppeppy | I did. http://s29.photobucket.com/albums/c271/jarien/Kendra/ |
| 14:58.50 | Lunessa | Kitty explores new home. Filme at 11. |
| 14:59.04 | Lunessa | filme/film |
| 14:59.19 | Lopeppeppy | Pretty much. She's a loud talker, meows all the time, wants to lay on my keyboard while I'm typing... Totally in heaven. *laugh* |
| 15:00.28 | zenzelezz | pretty kitty |
| 15:01.37 | Lopeppeppy | Thanks guys! I'm off to get her a few more toys and so forth. Thanks again for the help, Lunessa! |
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| 15:01.45 | sag_ich_nicht | mhm, does anyone know a good GPU fan that fits on a 8800GTX from Asus? D: |
| 15:01.55 | Lunessa | Dogs look at man and think, "Wow, the provide me food, shelter, protect me from the elements, and give me love. They must be gods." Cats look at humans and think, "Wow, they provide me food, shelter and adoration. I must be a god!" |
| 15:02.58 | kaiden | Lunessa, that is so true |
| 15:03.00 | kaiden | cats are evil |
| 15:03.17 | Lunessa | But I love them anyway. |
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| 15:22.52 | Legorol | haha, this is as much a WoW UI coding channel as a kitty-lovers channel :D |
| 15:23.01 | Legorol | good thing too, i love kitties.. i had one myself |
| 15:23.09 | Legorol | unfortunately she died last year, aged 14 |
| 15:23.38 | zenzelezz | decent age though |
| 15:23.42 | Legorol | she was healthy all the way to do end, the vet didn't want to beleive she is 14 on her last checkup, |
| 15:23.53 | Legorol | and it looks like a dog got to her :'( |
| 15:24.04 | Legorol | may she rest in piece |
| 15:24.09 | Legorol | s/piece/peace/ |
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| 15:29.08 | sag_ich_nicht | could someone explain to me how /click exactly works and how to get it to work with Bartender3? X) |
| 15:29.45 | kaiden | hrm.. /lick you say? |
| 15:29.53 | sag_ich_nicht | no |
| 15:29.55 | sag_ich_nicht | /click |
| 15:29.57 | sag_ich_nicht | macro |
| 15:30.17 | foxlit | It securely calls Button:Click(); |
| 15:30.19 | foxlit | end of story. |
| 15:30.51 | sag_ich_nicht | okay |
| 15:32.50 | sag_ich_nicht | what's the syntax of Button:Click(); |
| 15:33.02 | sag_ich_nicht | documentation on wowwiki is kind of lacking |
| 15:33.02 | sag_ich_nicht | >.> |
| 15:33.23 | [dRaCo] | get the name of the button and call <name>:Click(); |
| 15:33.52 | sag_ich_nicht | mhm |
| 15:33.53 | sag_ich_nicht | lemme see |
| 15:34.14 | foxlit | It just procs PreClick, OnClick, PostClick handlers and stuff |
| 15:34.25 | sag_ich_nicht | okay nvm i found it |
| 15:34.27 | sag_ich_nicht | thanks |
| 15:34.27 | sag_ich_nicht | :O |
| 15:35.32 | sag_ich_nicht | okay that's bad. |
| 15:37.24 | sag_ich_nicht | is there a way to make something like this: |
| 15:37.29 | sag_ich_nicht | /cast Judgement |
| 15:37.33 | sag_ich_nicht | /click BT3Button6 |
| 15:37.45 | N00bZXI | That's exactly how you would make that |
| 15:37.47 | sag_ich_nicht | except so it acts like /castsequence |
| 15:37.57 | nevcairiel | no |
| 15:37.58 | sag_ich_nicht | and breaks if judgement can't be cast |
| 15:38.10 | N00bZXI | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:38.13 | foxlit | no |
| 15:38.14 | nevcairiel | cant you just add the spell which is on bt3button? |
| 15:38.22 | nevcairiel | +6 |
| 15:38.31 | sag_ich_nicht | nevcairiel nope, because it should be variable :P |
| 15:38.51 | sag_ich_nicht | i don't wanna have to switch macro each time i switch my main seal >< |
| 15:39.42 | nevcairiel | does Judgement cause gcd? |
| 15:39.53 | sag_ich_nicht | nope |
| 15:40.11 | nevcairiel | a /stopcasting after your /cast should make it work then |
| 15:40.17 | sag_ich_nicht | it works the way it does atm, the problem is if i spam judgement when it's on cooldown i recast theseal all the time |
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| 15:40.26 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 15:40.42 | sag_ich_nicht | that's what i want to prevent, i don't even have to put /stopcasting there to make it work atm |
| 15:40.54 | nevcairiel | i dont think you can stuff /click's in a castsquence |
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| 15:41.07 | foxlit | Nah, they arne't spells :/ |
| 15:41.21 | kaiden | sag_ich_nicht, remember that whole NO logic thing? that's one of those controlled methods ;p |
| 15:41.26 | foxlit | Best thing you can probably do is /click a state-changing button that wouldn't let you click itself again until a timeout is reached |
| 15:41.28 | kaiden | that blizzard doesn't want happening |
| 15:41.56 | nevcairiel | it would work if he replces his spell inside the macro all the time |
| 15:42.01 | nevcairiel | instead he wants to be lazy |
| 15:42.04 | nevcairiel | and only change a button |
| 15:42.07 | nevcairiel | its really no logic :D |
| 15:42.14 | Laraul | bleh i'm looking for a BBEdit Lua language module |
| 15:42.42 | foxlit | "It doesn't suck.®" |
| 15:42.49 | foxlit | Oh really? And that's a registered trademark? |
| 15:42.57 | nevcairiel | sure, by me. |
| 15:43.12 | foxlit | Then both you and http://www.barebones.com/products/bbedit/ are disqualified due to lack of enforcement |
| 15:43.24 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 15:43.27 | Laraul | How do you override a key binding? |
| 15:43.35 | nevcairiel | i guess he wanted a (tm) |
| 15:43.38 | nevcairiel | :p |
| 15:43.39 | foxlit | You register an override binding |
| 15:43.40 | sag_ich_nicht | [17:42] <nevcairiel> its really no logic :D <--drag and drop the spell is what i want :P |
| 15:43.49 | kaiden | Laraul, dont use bbEdit :) |
| 15:43.58 | foxlit | Make your own button, really! |
| 15:44.04 | sag_ich_nicht | [17:41] <kaiden> sag_ich_nicht, remember that whole NO logic thing? that's one of those controlled methods ;p <--then why is there cast sequence? :P |
| 15:44.20 | Laraul | Why would I not want to use BBEdit? |
| 15:44.30 | foxlit | Because real addon authors use notepad. |
| 15:44.39 | kaiden | sag_ich_nicht, if you consider castsequence logic somethings wrong |
| 15:44.52 | zenzelezz | aye, what kaiden said |
| 15:44.54 | sag_ich_nicht | kaiden: "if x breaks, stop" |
| 15:45.05 | kaiden | castsequence == pile of horse dung |
| 15:45.06 | sag_ich_nicht | looks like an if conditional to me, which is logic :P |
| 15:45.14 | kaiden | .. a mutated pile of horse dung more like it |
| 15:45.35 | zenzelezz | what does that if have to do with castsequence? |
| 15:45.35 | sag_ich_nicht | wait, i had an idea |
| 15:46.01 | kaiden | zenzelezz, he's stating that just because it does stuff in a sequence that means it's using if logic to deduce when to switch to the next action |
| 15:46.04 | kaiden | which is untrue |
| 15:46.10 | kaiden | it has no logic.. it does one thing.. then does the next in the list |
| 15:46.16 | kaiden | without prejudice ;) |
| 15:46.20 | zenzelezz | yup |
| 15:46.27 | nevcairiel | i wrote a castsequence for one of our tanks once. . using thunderclap and demo shout |
| 15:46.32 | nevcairiel | only time i used that yet. |
| 15:46.58 | sag_ich_nicht | kaiden, no, that's exactly NOT what it does |
| 15:47.04 | sag_ich_nicht | it stops when one of the things does not work |
| 15:47.10 | kaiden | and then blizzard made it so that if you cast an action that is unavailable all of the rest of the casts in that sequence break (ie for those of us that cheated) and did overpower then heroic strike on macros |
| 15:47.30 | zenzelezz | I use two macros on my warrior; one for Shield Wall/Recklessness/Retaliation (so I only need one button), one to either switch ranged weapon or use the right Shoot action for it |
| 15:47.36 | kaiden | sag_ich_nicht, unintended consequences also do not = logic |
| 15:47.54 | nevcairiel | i use a macro for natures swiftness |
| 15:47.57 | Laraul | Well on the Mac you can sorta use AppleScript to send key presses |
| 15:47.58 | nevcairiel | thats bout it |
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| 15:48.16 | nevcairiel | ooh and for my mount :P |
| 15:48.20 | sag_ich_nicht | [17:47] <kaiden> sag_ich_nicht, unintended consequences also do not = logic <--it's an intended consequence |
| 15:48.24 | nevcairiel | and for vashj when throwing the tainted core, heh |
| 15:48.34 | sag_ich_nicht | if (operation != possible){ break() } |
| 15:48.37 | sag_ich_nicht | :P |
| 15:48.42 | Kyahx | nevcairiel: could I bother you for a crash course in secure-state driver stuff? Im trying to get buttons to change on metakeys ala bartender, but I'm really lost |
| 15:48.44 | kaiden | sag_ich_nicht, it is unintended consequences when it pertains to castsequence |
| 15:48.56 | kaiden | it was specifically added to stop people from doing overpower then heroic strike in 1 macro |
| 15:49.00 | Laraul | You should be able to do it with windows using WSH... though WSH suck horrid |
| 15:49.09 | kaiden | which adversely effected .. or.. increased the capabilities of castsequence |
| 15:50.08 | sag_ich_nicht | well anyway |
| 15:50.45 | sag_ich_nicht | could you tell me what would be the horrible exploitable and abusable consequences if blizzard were to change /click so you can call it as part of /castsequence? :O |
| 15:51.06 | Kaelten | can anyone give me any idea why this code would fail randomly? |
| 15:51.07 | Kaelten | http://ace.pastey.net/70100 |
| 15:51.21 | kaiden | sag_ich_nicht, i personally dont think they should have hindered logic.. that's not what i'm saying at all |
| 15:51.28 | kaiden | i dont think it's horrible and i dont consider it an exploit |
| 15:51.42 | kaiden | hell i was one of the original wow 5 boxers using logic to do everything |
| 15:51.43 | kaiden | :P |
| 15:51.58 | nevcairiel | Kyahx: its really not hard, just set state-ctrl/state-shift/state-alt attributes |
| 15:51.58 | sag_ich_nicht | kaiden you know what i mean |
| 15:52.01 | sag_ich_nicht | gimme an answer :P |
| 15:52.18 | kaiden | sag_ich_nicht, it would allow people to sequence macros that are on buttons |
| 15:52.29 | kaiden | to allow them to do more things within a castsequence, maybe? |
| 15:52.36 | kaiden | blizzard always finds a reason |
| 15:52.39 | Kyahx | statemap-page ? |
| 15:52.48 | Kyahx | Im still really shakey on how it all works in the first place |
| 15:53.06 | sag_ich_nicht | [17:52] <kaiden> to allow them to do more things within a castsequence, maybe? <--ah, true, you could parallel it |
| 15:53.20 | nevcairiel | Kyahx: then look at the simple examples by iriel on wowi :) |
| 15:53.34 | Kyahx | mmkay, I was looking on wowwiki and didn't see good examples |
| 15:53.39 | sag_ich_nicht | ...they should modify click then so it introduces a new concept of "macrotaint" :P |
| 15:53.47 | kaiden | sag_ich_nicht :P |
| 15:54.11 | kaiden | sag_ich_nicht, i'm just saying they are fighting this whole logic thing as if it were satan about to be unleashed upon the world |
| 15:54.15 | sag_ich_nicht | so you could effectivly only call one other button with it before it breaks |
| 15:54.18 | kaiden | so dont hold your breath for them to make something easier :( |
| 15:54.51 | sag_ich_nicht | and if you had a macro on that button it would work, but only if there was a /click encountered in it, it would break |
| 15:56.09 | Laraul | Okay I keep meaning to learn to script WoW with Lua... but I always put it off cuz I can't find a decent editor |
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| 15:56.26 | Laraul | You can write data out to a file correct? |
| 15:56.33 | SpiderFLS | hi |
| 15:57.09 | zenzelezz | Laraul: only saved variables |
| 15:58.22 | Laraul | that's good enough |
| 15:58.26 | sag_ich_nicht | mhm |
| 15:58.28 | sag_ich_nicht | wait |
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| 16:00.15 | SpiderFLS | i have this problem that i parse a spell name out of the combat log and want to print it to thescreen, but when the spell is a "hot" then the text from the ticks are printed. how can i stop that? |
| 16:00.56 | Laraul | hot? |
| 16:01.02 | sag_ich_nicht | lol |
| 16:01.04 | kaiden | heal over time |
| 16:01.10 | sag_ich_nicht | you can get the WoW macro parser stuck in an endless loop |
| 16:01.18 | sag_ich_nicht | you just need a LOT of buttons |
| 16:01.22 | sag_ich_nicht | and macros |
| 16:01.28 | Laraul | Buttons are evil though |
| 16:01.49 | SpiderFLS | for example my enemy gains a "renew" then renew is printed, but short after that it prints 88 health from mobname renew |
| 16:01.54 | kaiden | sag_ich_nicht, for (i=0;i>x;i++) { x++; i++; } lol |
| 16:02.31 | sag_ich_nicht | kaiden: i am talking about the macro parser, not lua :P |
| 16:02.49 | Laraul | each seperate addon runs seperately though |
| 16:02.55 | kaiden | i know, i was just giggling because back in beta i was screwing around with cosmos code |
| 16:02.58 | Laraul | actually i have no idea |
| 16:03.02 | kaiden | and made something that ended up bringing down the server |
| 16:03.04 | Laraul | I assume it does |
| 16:03.21 | kaiden | Laraul, what are you talking about? |
| 16:03.32 | Laraul | i don't know |
| 16:03.39 | sag_ich_nicht | kaiden: function hax() a = "a"; while 1 == 1 do a = a .. a; return hax(); end; end; |
| 16:03.45 | sag_ich_nicht | :P |
| 16:04.08 | kaiden | lol sag spamtastic |
| 16:04.26 | sag_ich_nicht | i dunno if the WoW lua engine does threading |
| 16:04.33 | sag_ich_nicht | but if it does that'll probably kill WoW down |
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| 16:04.47 | SpiderFLS | for GainedName,GainedSpell in string.gmatch(arg1, "(.+) gains (.+).") do pionSpell:SetText("Gained: " ..GainedSpell) end thats what it looks like but i get a lot more than just the "spell" |
| 16:04.50 | clad|away | the wow client is single threaded |
| 16:04.53 | clad|away | the best you have is coroutines |
| 16:05.33 | kaiden | lol http://www.emptybottle.org/bullshit/ |
| 16:05.33 | sag_ich_nicht | clad|away wait |
| 16:05.34 | sag_ich_nicht | lies |
| 16:05.35 | Laraul | yeah but it can still run each lua component seperately |
| 16:05.35 | sag_ich_nicht | i see 13 threads :P |
| 16:05.35 | clad|away | the relevant portions |
| 16:05.35 | clad|away | the lua engine |
| 16:05.35 | sag_ich_nicht | (yes i KNOW, i am kidding) |
| 16:05.37 | clad|away | the display engine |
| 16:05.38 | clad|away | etc =) |
| 16:05.40 | clad|away | smartass |
| 16:05.48 | sag_ich_nicht | yes, very |
| 16:05.49 | SpiderFLS | can someone help me with my problem in a private channel? |
| 16:06.00 | clad|away | why does it need to be a private channel? |
| 16:06.05 | Laraul | why can't i find a decent editor? |
| 16:06.09 | sag_ich_nicht | because nobody is paying attn to SpiderFLS |
| 16:06.16 | Kyahx | Laraul: what OS? |
| 16:06.16 | sag_ich_nicht | because i was joking around with forkbombs >.> |
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| 16:07.24 | dylanm | Laraul: If you're on OS X, I can't recommend Textmate highly enough. On any other platform I'd go with Emacs or Vim. I keep switching my allegiance between the two. |
| 16:07.44 | Kyahx | I've always been a fan of Notepad++ on Windows, Ubuntu I just use gedit :P |
| 16:07.59 | SpiderFLS | maybe because its shit to discuss a problem like that in a alredy spammed channel? |
| 16:08.23 | clad|away | SpiderFLS: Or you can ask here, so we don't have to repeat the exact same answer when someone comes along in two hours and asks the same thing. |
| 16:08.50 | clad|away | This channel is also hardly spammed, its here for the community to help each other. Taking a problem behind closed doors a.) puts pressure on the person who agrees to help you to stay and help you, and b.) prevents the sharing of informatino. |
| 16:09.03 | clad|away | i.e. no, if you want help with a problem from me, I ask that you do it here. |
| 16:09.09 | clad|away | otherwise we're just doing ourselves a disservice |
| 16:09.17 | SpiderFLS | i already asked the question and maybe nobody got it because its so spammed.... |
| 16:09.30 | clad|away | *sigh* |
| 16:09.34 | clad|away | this channel is not spamme.d |
| 16:09.39 | clad|away | ask your question |
| 16:09.39 | Kyahx | so ask again now while people are looking ? |
| 16:09.53 | zenzelezz | SpiderFLS: or maybe no-one knew the answer |
| 16:10.04 | SpiderFLS | for GainedName,GainedSpell in string.gmatch(arg1, "(.+) gains (.+).") do pionSpell:SetText("Gained: " ..GainedSpell) end thats what it looks like but i get a lot more than just the "spell" |
| 16:10.31 | clad|away | cause you're greedily matching |
| 16:10.39 | dylanm | Laraul: I like the editors I mentioned because they're extensible. If you find yourself repeating a certain expression or even pattern of coding you can automate. |
| 16:10.49 | clad|away | you tell the pattern to take all the text from gains to the ending period. |
| 16:10.54 | clad|away | so that's exactly what you get |
| 16:10.55 | dylanm | Yeah, make the second capture (.+?). |
| 16:10.59 | clad|away | to you have an example text string you'd like to parse? |
| 16:11.11 | clad|away | one that is causing you issues? |
| 16:11.22 | Kaydeethree | "Fixed a crash triggered by many unit frame AddOns." woo |
| 16:12.05 | SpiderFLS | i just want the "spell name" the only probelm is when the target has a hot, then all the messages from the hot ticking are displayed |
| 16:12.35 | clad|away | i asked for an example, could you please provide one |
| 16:12.38 | dylanm | Give an example of the in/out, if you would? |
| 16:12.39 | clad|away | i know exactly what you're trying to do |
| 16:12.47 | clad|away | but again, we need an example of a problem string you are trying to parse |
| 16:13.11 | sag_ich_nicht | http://pastey.net/70102-lu3p <--could someone post this for in either the US UI forums, the suggestions thread in the US UI forum or the US suggestions forum? :O |
| 16:13.11 | Laraul | Hmm I wouldn't be surprised in WIndows users used notepad to write lua code |
| 16:13.15 | sag_ich_nicht | *for me |
| 16:13.26 | SpiderFLS | when my target buffs something like renew or mdw or so this is displayed like in spellalert |
| 16:13.28 | Laraul | I loathe notepad |
| 16:13.31 | Kyahx | Notepad++ |
| 16:13.36 | Kyahx | Not regular Notepad :P |
| 16:13.46 | zenzelezz | purl, karma Notepad |
| 16:13.47 | purl | notepad has neutral karma |
| 16:14.00 | clad|away | SpiderFLS: Again.. give us the text string that is being parsed and having the issue. |
| 16:14.14 | clad|away | We fully understand your problem, but you're not giving us the information we need to help you |
| 16:14.21 | clad|away | >>> _G |
| 16:14.21 | dylanm | SpiderFLS: I think what Clad wants is a pastey of what you're trying to parse and what it's spitting out. |
| 16:14.22 | Cide | clad|away: { ["log"] = function: 00359E48, ["wow"] = { ["strconcat"] = function: 0035AA58, ["strtrim"] = function: 0035A9B8, ["debugstack"] = function: 0035AAB8, ["getglobal"] = function: 0035AA78, ["setglobal"]... (exceeded 200 characters) |
| 16:14.34 | sag_ich_nicht | actually, wait, there is an error in that text |
| 16:14.41 | clad|away | dylanm: Doesn't even need to be a pastey.. I just need a text string of what you'r etrying to parse, that's having an issue. |
| 16:15.06 | sag_ich_nicht | there, corrected it |
| 16:15.08 | SpiderFLS | mobname gains 88health from mobname's renew |
| 16:15.29 | clad|away | okay |
| 16:15.36 | dylanm | clad|away: Figured it would be a long log and subsequent overflow in the output. |
| 16:15.40 | clad|away | so you want to show heal ticks? |
| 16:15.47 | SpiderFLS | no |
| 16:15.54 | SpiderFLS | only the "Renew" |
| 16:15.59 | clad|away | then why are you parsing that message instead of "Mobname gains renew" |
| 16:16.14 | clad|away | there are different combat log messages for each of them |
| 16:16.18 | dylanm | Yeah, that should be acting like a buff before anything else. |
| 16:16.20 | clad|away | seems silly to parse the ticks, if you dont want the ticks. |
| 16:16.27 | clad|away | =) |
| 16:17.13 | clad|away | You shoudl be parsing "Mobname gains Renew." instead of the periodic buff message |
| 16:17.14 | SpiderFLS | its both in the same event? o_O |
| 16:17.17 | Laraul | bleh notepad++ isn't scriptable |
| 16:17.35 | Laraul | i'm really picky about my editorz |
| 16:17.46 | clad|away | emacs or vim :P |
| 16:17.50 | clad|away | consistency across all platorms |
| 16:18.09 | Laraul | why not javascript? |
| 16:18.10 | dylanm | Laraul: If you're not on OS X (and I assume you aren't) you'll want to look at the two clad mentioned, but the learning curve (especially for emacs, if you're not down with lisp) is a bit steep. |
| 16:18.13 | SpiderFLS | i only parse CHAT_MSG_SPELL_PERIODIC_CREATURE_BUFFS event |
| 16:18.14 | |FF|Im2good4u | dunno if its same event i think not |
| 16:18.23 | Laraul | I'm on OS X right now |
| 16:18.29 | dylanm | Oh! |
| 16:18.31 | clad|away | dylanm: I use emacs on os x.. dont like textmare |
| 16:18.34 | Laraul | But I use Windows a lot |
| 16:18.44 | Laraul | I have Ultraedit but it's rather limited too |
| 16:18.47 | sag_ich_nicht | finally, another emacs user |
| 16:18.48 | sag_ich_nicht | >_< |
| 16:18.52 | clad|away | hehe |
| 16:18.54 | clad|away | iriel as well |
| 16:19.05 | clad|away | SpiderFLS: I suggest you get DevTools, and run /dtevents or /dtchatevent |
| 16:19.07 | dylanm | clad: Yeah I used to be of that mind but the easiness of writing expansions and such in TM pulled me away. |
| 16:19.25 | clad|away | SpiderFLS: This way you can parse only the events you're interested in. |
| 16:19.34 | clad|away | since determining the correct can certainly be difficult |
| 16:19.38 | sag_ich_nicht | grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr |
| 16:19.43 | sag_ich_nicht | ERROR #134 (0x85100086) Fatal Condition |
| 16:19.45 | sag_ich_nicht | AGAIN >_< |
| 16:20.27 | clad|away | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:20.27 | dylanm | I like lisp and all but it just doesn't come up in my other work enough for me to be conversant in it, whereas bash scripting I do all the time. |
| 16:20.27 | nevcairiel | 134 .. never had that :o |
| 16:20.27 | clad|away | I'm quite content with it. |
| 16:20.27 | SpiderFLS | clad|away: thx i try that |
| 16:20.33 | clad|away | SpiderFLS: THis way you only parse "Someone gains SpellName." instead of the periodic messages |
| 16:20.35 | dylanm | Laraul: When you're on your OS X box try Textmate at macromates.com |
| 16:20.40 | sag_ich_nicht | [18:20] <nevcairiel> 134 .. never had that :o <--" |
| 16:20.40 | sag_ich_nicht | Driver internal error on resource lock. Check AGP aperture. |
| 16:20.41 | sag_ich_nicht | " |
| 16:20.48 | sag_ich_nicht | File:.\CGxDeviceD3d\CGxD3dDevice.cpp |
| 16:20.48 | sag_ich_nicht | Line:1630 |
| 16:20.49 | sag_ich_nicht | D: |
| 16:21.08 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 16:21.12 | clad|away | that gives svn status of my working copy, dir tree, method buffer and a solid text editor behind it |
| 16:21.19 | sag_ich_nicht | clad|away: nice setup clad, i didn't get the time to setup anything for my emacs |
| 16:21.25 | sag_ich_nicht | i just really HATE vi. |
| 16:21.40 | clad|away | its really easy to get it set up like |
| 16:21.41 | clad|away | that |
| 16:21.42 | clad|away | *shrug* |
| 16:21.48 | sag_ich_nicht | >< |
| 16:22.36 | clad|away | heh |
| 16:23.06 | sag_ich_nicht | anyway, to repeat myself |
| 16:23.06 | sag_ich_nicht | http://pastey.net/70102-lu3p <--could someone post this for in either the US UI forums, the suggestions thread in the US UI forum or the US suggestions forum? :O |
| 16:24.38 | dylanm | sag_ich_nicht: The forums blocked at work or something? |
| 16:24.50 | sag_ich_nicht | dylanm: EU. |
| 16:24.55 | sag_ich_nicht | and the EU forums are worthless |
| 16:25.19 | dylanm | Really? You guys have some good players over there. |
| 16:25.40 | sag_ich_nicht | yeah, but blizzard staff relaying information to the US takes forever |
| 16:25.45 | sag_ich_nicht | same is true reverse |
| 16:25.46 | nevcairiel | still no-one important reads on EU :P |
| 16:26.05 | clad|away | that's not the way taint works tho, sag_ich_nicht |
| 16:26.34 | sag_ich_nicht | clad|away: i should have put "" around the taint, for the lack of a better word :P |
| 16:26.44 | Laraul | No one has tried use WSH or something else that uses COM objects to send keystrokes or mouse clicks? |
| 16:26.57 | clad|away | sag_ich_nicht: not to mention, what you'r etrying to do is prevented specifically |
| 16:27.07 | clad|away | Laraul: Violation of the TOS |
| 16:27.10 | clad|away | and warden would get pissy |
| 16:27.36 | sag_ich_nicht | clad|away: no, what's prevented is people using /castsequence /click, /click, /click to spread execution to a million macros that perform logic |
| 16:27.39 | Thrae | I just realized the perfect name for an addon framework to protect you against tainting -- "Trojan". |
| 16:27.58 | sag_ich_nicht | that's why i said check on /click AND on /castsequence :P |
| 16:28.06 | clad|away | sag_ich_nicht: The designers of the game do NOT want spammable buttons, perioc. |
| 16:28.12 | clad|away | What you're proposing enables them |
| 16:28.17 | sag_ich_nicht | clad|away: i can create a perfectly spamable button |
| 16:28.22 | sag_ich_nicht | /cast Judgement, Seal of Command |
| 16:28.24 | sag_ich_nicht | erm |
| 16:28.28 | sag_ich_nicht | /castsequence Judgement, Seal of Command |
| 16:28.37 | clad|away | which is extremely limited in use |
| 16:28.46 | Kaydeethree | ptr diff is up if it hasn't been put up on the pastey yet: http://spyglass-server.com/wowints/2.1.2.6803-0.1.3.6875.diff |
| 16:28.52 | clad|away | thanks Kaydeethree |
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| 16:29.20 | Thrae | Trojan -- it protects you from the taint! |
| 16:29.20 | Laraul | Blizzard not seem to mind f you use AppleScript and the "System Events" process to send keystokes or mouse clicks |
| 16:29.25 | sag_ich_nicht | clad|away: if you created a check the way i described, what would be the "worst case" consequences |
| 16:29.25 | clad|away | all globalstrings, boo |
| 16:29.32 | Kaydeethree | ya |
| 16:29.41 | SpiderFLS | so i checked the events with DevTools and its the same event for both chat messages... |
| 16:30.04 | sag_ich_nicht | i can see it if you allow /click in castsquence without such a check, easily |
| 16:30.08 | clad|away | SpiderFLS: paste the two text strings here, and we'll come up with something. |
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| 16:30.41 | sag_ich_nicht | but i can't really see it if you do it the way i describe, you can't change the content of the button using some macro in combat anyway unless you drag and drop it there, iirc |
| 16:30.42 | Shirik | thrae -_- |
| 16:30.44 | clad|away | sag_ich_nicht: You say that doing this will allow you to create a spammable Judgement/Seal macro |
| 16:30.51 | nevcairiel | only globalstrings changed? man .. wonder whats with the securepartyheader thing, if thats intended or not |
| 16:31.04 | clad|away | nevcairiel: that wouldn't be a UI change |
| 16:31.11 | nevcairiel | hm |
| 16:31.22 | SpiderFLS | mobname gains Renew |
| 16:31.22 | SpiderFLS | mobname gains 88 health from mobname's Renew |
| 16:31.24 | nevcairiel | right, he could limit the times UNIT_NAME_UPDATE is fired |
| 16:31.27 | clad|away | at most, the ui would only selectively register for that event |
| 16:31.32 | clad|away | its not a UI issue |
| 16:31.53 | sag_ich_nicht | clad|away: Judgement does not cause GCD and is not affected by it either |
| 16:32.04 | sag_ich_nicht | i already have a spamable jdugement/seal macro. it's just that i have to change the macro each time i want to use a different seal, and i'm running out of macro space for it. |
| 16:32.13 | sag_ich_nicht | the way i described it |
| 16:32.22 | sag_ich_nicht | would still require manual interaction to change the seal |
| 16:32.32 | sag_ich_nicht | drag'n'droping the spell to the button you click |
| 16:32.42 | Shirik | SpiderFLS: <mob> gains Renew is |
| 16:32.51 | Shirik | CHAT_MSG_COMBAT_PERIODIC_XXX_BUFFS |
| 16:32.52 | Shirik | iirc |
| 16:32.52 | Laraul | SpiderFLS: does the line you wish to parse always consist of one token between the target and effect? |
| 16:33.17 | Shirik | and to parse it would be |
| 16:33.20 | sag_ich_nicht | but you don't have to create a seperate macro for each seal, you would just make /castsequence Judgement, /click ButtonX and on ButtonX you drag the seal you use atm. |
| 16:33.47 | Shirik | >>> string.find("Mr. Mob gains Renew.", "(.-) gains (.+)"); |
| 16:33.47 | clad|away | that isn't valid in the macro syntax |
| 16:33.48 | Cide | Shirik: 1, 20, "Mr. Mob", "Renew." |
| 16:33.52 | clad|away | and i doubt you'll get it at all |
| 16:34.00 | sag_ich_nicht | clad|away: i know it's not valid atm |
| 16:34.01 | clad|away | that's an entirely different issue |
| 16:34.05 | sag_ich_nicht | clad|away: thus the suggestion for a change |
| 16:34.22 | sag_ich_nicht | but with the addition of changes so you can't abuse it |
| 16:34.25 | clad|away | the parser would need to be rewritten entirely |
| 16:34.31 | clad|away | for little to no gain |
| 16:34.37 | sag_ich_nicht | clad|away: that's what they did for 2.1.3 :P |
| 16:34.45 | clad|away | ? |
| 16:34.50 | Kaydeethree | you mean in 2.2 |
| 16:34.57 | clad|away | what do you mean |
| 16:34.57 | Kaydeethree | SecureCommandOptionsParse() |
| 16:35.09 | Kaydeethree | written in C instead of lua |
| 16:35.14 | sag_ich_nicht | that's the even bigger change Kaydeethree |
| 16:35.34 | clad|away | not to mention /castsequence Spellname, /arbitraryslash command makes baby jesus cry |
| 16:35.36 | sag_ich_nicht | they already rewrote a lot of the parser for 2.1.3 though, according to slouken in the sticky |
| 16:35.38 | clad|away | when you already have ways around this |
| 16:35.54 | sag_ich_nicht | clad|away: it would only allow it for /click, not all slashcommands |
| 16:35.55 | Laraul | Er it's going to be precompiled? |
| 16:35.56 | clad|away | sag_ich_nicht: that had nothign to do with the syntax it was parsing, but the way it generated the closures during parsing |
| 16:35.56 | sag_ich_nicht | you cookie :P |
| 16:36.01 | clad|away | totally different issue |
| 16:36.04 | clad|away | sag_ich_nicht: same point |
| 16:36.11 | zenzelezz | I think the "cast" in castsequence hints at its intended use |
| 16:36.12 | sag_ich_nicht | clad|away which point? |
| 16:36.15 | clad|away | seems a ridiculous change to solve a problem that doesn't exist. |
| 16:36.29 | sag_ich_nicht | zenzelezz: now you're being a smartass |
| 16:36.37 | zenzelezz | and you haven't been for a while? |
| 16:36.41 | sag_ich_nicht | (and a grammar nazi) |
| 16:36.56 | Laraul | Why are they rewriting the parser? |
| 16:37.03 | SpiderFLS | Laraul: mobname gains 88 health from mobname's Renew <-- i think there's more than one token between it... |
| 16:37.03 | sag_ich_nicht | [18:36] <@clad|away> seems a ridiculous change to solve a problem that doesn't exist. <--it's called a feature request |
| 16:37.06 | Kaydeethree | speed improvements |
| 16:37.07 | Laraul | That;s gonna introduce a sh*tload of bugs |
| 16:37.20 | clad|away | sag_ich_nicht: Yes, and the UI team barely has time to deal with the real issues |
| 16:37.31 | clad|away | *shrug* |
| 16:37.31 | Shirik | SpiderFLS: Bear with me, I don't know what you're trying to do |
| 16:37.40 | Shirik | and it seems everyone else is caught in an argument :P |
| 16:37.46 | Shirik | so, what exactly are you trying to do? ^^; |
| 16:37.58 | Shirik | and yes, there is |
| 16:38.43 | SpiderFLS | Shirik: i want the "Buff" the target cast printed out, but if its a hot then there is more printed than just the "Buffname" |
| 16:39.01 | Shirik | you only want to parse "foo gains bar" |
| 16:39.02 | Shirik | that's it |
| 16:39.07 | clad|away | yep |
| 16:39.07 | Shirik | you can ignore the rest |
| 16:39.17 | clad|away | he's saying the periodic tick uses the same event |
| 16:39.25 | clad|away | and if you do that, then you don't get a good parse there. |
| 16:39.27 | Shirik | if it doesn't match your pattern, it's not something you need to worry about |
| 16:39.31 | clad|away | i didn't think it was the same event. |
| 16:39.36 | Shirik | it is, yeah |
| 16:39.37 | clad|away | Shirik: The bad one does match the pattern |
| 16:39.37 | sag_ich_nicht | clad|away: so? they decide the priority, not we, and i think they'd put "the real problems" far above a feature request anyway, so what's your point exactly? if you introduce a stopcheck like i described, it will not be vulnerable to abuse. the only thing it needs is quite a bit recoding, but since they are doing that now anyway for the macro parser, that would be the ideal moment for such a feature request. |
| 16:39.52 | Shirik | what matches "(.-) gains (.+)%." ? |
| 16:39.57 | Laraul | Unless the parser was originally very inefficient any speed increase would be neiglable |
| 16:40.01 | JoshBorke | Shirik: your mom |
| 16:40.14 | clad|away | sag_ich_nicht: Because I dont want to waste Slouken's time with something that isn't really an issue |
| 16:40.17 | sag_ich_nicht | or can you name a case were it could be abused? |
| 16:40.17 | Shirik | (that shouldn't match) |
| 16:40.24 | clad|away | and feature requests beloing in the suggestions forums |
| 16:40.25 | Shirik | JoshBorke: |
| 16:40.26 | clad|away | NOT the ui forums. |
| 16:40.33 | clad|away | Shirik: mobname gains 88 health from mobname's Renew |
| 16:40.35 | sag_ich_nicht | clad|away: please re-read my original statement then |
| 16:40.39 | Shirik | >>> string.match("your mom", "(.-) gains (.+)%.") |
| 16:40.39 | Cide | Shirik: nil |
| 16:40.44 | Shirik | obviously not. |
| 16:40.49 | Shirik | ahhhh |
| 16:40.51 | Shirik | yuck |
| 16:40.56 | sag_ich_nicht | clad|away: to quote myself: "http://pastey.net/70102-lu3p <--could someone post this for in either the US UI forums, the suggestions thread in the US UI forum or the US suggestions forum? :O" |
| 16:40.57 | Shirik | oh no |
| 16:41.01 | Laraul | UI feature requests are better left in the UI forum... |
| 16:41.02 | Shirik | that doesn't match what I just did though |
| 16:41.05 | clad|away | sag_ich_nicht: : Then I apoligize for the misunderstanding. |
| 16:41.09 | sag_ich_nicht | clad|away: :) |
| 16:41.11 | clad|away | Laraul: No, not something of this scope. |
| 16:41.12 | Shirik | be very specific, the ending . makes a difference |
| 16:41.27 | JoshBorke | Shirik: mobname gains 88 health from mobname's Renew. |
| 16:41.36 | clad|away | the . doesn't make a difference in this case |
| 16:41.36 | Shirik | >>> string.match("foo gains 88 health from foo's renew", "(.-) gains (.+)%.") |
| 16:41.36 | Cide | Shirik: nil |
| 16:41.38 | JoshBorke | :-P |
| 16:41.43 | Shirik | >>> string.match("foo gains Renew.", "(.-) gains (.+)%.") |
| 16:41.44 | Cide | Shirik: "foo", "Renew" |
| 16:41.48 | clad|away | especially considering you can't assume the mobname will be one token, or the spellname will be one token. |
| 16:41.54 | clad|away | i.e. nontrivial parsing :P |
| 16:42.01 | |FF|Im2good4u | (-.-) |
| 16:42.18 | Shirik | You can always assume that gaining a buff will be <mob> gains <spell>. |
| 16:42.23 | Shirik | and there is always a . at the end |
| 16:42.28 | clad|away | yes |
| 16:42.30 | clad|away | correct |
| 16:42.30 | JoshBorke | could you not prioritize the patterns you match? |
| 16:42.42 | sag_ich_nicht | clad|away: i am glad we could work it out. :) i mentioned the UI forums and the suggestions thread in it because i somehow have the feeling the blizz people that read the suggestions forum might not have the technical competency to understand what the request constitues of and dismiss it before even taking a look at it. |
| 16:42.57 | clad|away | but if the events are the same ( i dont think they would be ) then this gets caught, because it does match |
| 16:42.58 | sag_ich_nicht | +t |
| 16:43.03 | clad|away | with a . at the end |
| 16:43.19 | Laraul | clad|away: it will still fit an easily recognizable pattern |
| 16:43.25 | Shirik | So adding in that %. at the end of the pattern is all you need to ensure that it's the full pattern. Alternatively you could go further and use anchors but that's not necessary |
| 16:43.36 | Shirik | s/pattern/string/ |
| 16:43.38 | Shirik | erg |
| 16:43.39 | JoshBorke | if not string.match("<mob> gains <stuff> from <mob's> <buff>") then if string.match("<mob> gains <buff>") type dealy |
| 16:43.39 | clad|away | ... |
| 16:43.40 | Shirik | well ya |
| 16:43.43 | clad|away | are you missing the point? |
| 16:43.46 | Shirik | apparently |
| 16:43.50 | clad|away | lol |
| 16:44.06 | Shirik | I know you have "foo gains 123 health from foo's renew." |
| 16:44.07 | clad|away | "foo gains 88 health from foo's renew." |
| 16:44.11 | JoshBorke | we all knew you were slow |
| 16:44.14 | sag_ich_nicht | ...just use parserlib and a if/then/else. |
| 16:44.14 | clad|away | how do you get the spellname out of that? |
| 16:44.15 | sag_ich_nicht | D: |
| 16:44.23 | Shirik | I thought he didn't want to catch that? |
| 16:44.28 | clad|away | or alternatively, ensure you're only parsing "foo gains renew." |
| 16:44.30 | clad|away | ? |
| 16:44.32 | Shirik | right |
| 16:44.40 | clad|away | you're making an assumption here, I know it =) |
| 16:45.04 | Shirik | my approach is to ensure that you're only parsing "foo gains renew." |
| 16:45.10 | clad|away | yes, how do you do that? |
| 16:45.20 | clad|away | what pattern do you use? |
| 16:45.21 | sag_ich_nicht | or alternatively, stop wasting system resources, use parserlib and save yourself and the system another addon parsing the combat log :P |
| 16:45.32 | clad|away | sag_ich_nicht: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=115043218&postId=1147431686&sid=1#0 |
| 16:45.38 | JoshBorke | ah, i see. trying to only parse the string once |
| 16:45.51 | Laraul | don't worry about system resourse with something so simpe |
| 16:45.57 | sag_ich_nicht | clad|away: thank you |
| 16:46.24 | clad|away | Shirik: How can you reliably ensure you're parsing the "Foo gains Renew." without the "Foo gains 123 health from Foo's Renew."? |
| 16:46.26 | Shirik | I missed the fact that that would all be caught by .+, but what about (%D+)%. |
| 16:46.29 | Shirik | yeah I missed that |
| 16:46.46 | Shirik | iirc there's no spell that has a number in its name |
| 16:46.53 | clad|away | which tokens do you take? |
| 16:46.59 | clad|away | that still gets Modname's Renew. |
| 16:47.18 | clad|away | If we know this is "Renew" then its easy |
| 16:47.20 | Shirik | no, the whole thing is "(.-) gains (%D+)%." |
| 16:47.50 | clad|away | >>> ("Foo gains 123 health from Foo's Renew."):match("(.-) gains (%D+)%.") |
| 16:47.51 | Cide | clad|away: nil |
| 16:48.01 | clad|away | k k |
| 16:48.08 | clad|away | that would work then :P |
| 16:48.12 | Thrae | Shirik: There are mobs with numbers in their names, and other localizations may allow numbers in player names because Blizzard doesn't have 100% localization support |
| 16:48.15 | Shirik | >>> t = {"Foo gains Renew.", "Foo gains 123 health from Foo's Renew."}; for _, v in pairs(t) do print(string.match(v)); end |
| 16:48.16 | Cide | Shirik: [string "t = {"Foo gains Renew.", "Foo gains 123 hea..."]:1: bad argument #2 to 'match' (string expected, got no value) |
| 16:48.19 | Shirik | oops |
| 16:48.23 | clad|away | >>> ("Foo gains Renew."):match("(.-) gains (%D+)%.") |
| 16:48.23 | Cide | clad|away: "Foo", "Renew" |
| 16:48.38 | JoshBorke | >>> ("Foo gains Somethingwith'."):match("(.-) gains (%D+)%.") |
| 16:48.38 | Cide | JoshBorke: "Foo", "Somethingwith'" |
| 16:48.46 | Shirik | I missed that the .+ would be capturing a lot, my bad |
| 16:48.51 | clad|away | Thrae: : searching for a 100 solution is a futile effort =) |
| 16:48.53 | Shirik | but I think %D+ should be good |
| 16:49.03 | Thrae | clad|away: Well, that's what rophy was striving for ;) |
| 16:49.05 | clad|away | aye, but you're not greedy enough on your mobname |
| 16:49.10 | clad|away | .- needs to be .+ |
| 16:49.17 | clad|away | err |
| 16:49.24 | clad|away | i just trieds to kick myself |
| 16:49.26 | clad|away | and it didn't let me |
| 16:49.29 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 16:49.30 | clad|away | i should be shot for that comment =) |
| 16:49.31 | Shirik | lol |
| 16:50.07 | JoshBorke | clad|away: answer my question! |
| 16:50.57 | Shirik | so, SpiderFLS sorry for the aside |
| 16:51.06 | Shirik | use that pattern and see how well it works for you |
| 16:51.14 | Shirik | match("(.-) gains (%D+)%.") |
| 16:51.37 | Shirik | sag_ich_nicht: I would be against using ParserLib in this case, actually |
| 16:51.41 | SpiderFLS | testing right now, thx for the help |
| 16:51.51 | Shirik | considering you only need to do one match... parserlib will try to match it in all cases |
| 16:52.11 | Shirik | meaning it's doing extra work trying to figure out which message it is, etc. |
| 16:53.26 | Shirik | and on that note |
| 16:53.29 | sag_ich_nicht | Shirik: it's doing that work ANYWAY for other addons that use it though |
| 16:53.38 | Shirik|AFK | unless that person doesn't have any other addons ;) |
| 16:53.42 | Shirik|AFK | (that use it) |
| 16:53.54 | sag_ich_nicht | in which case that person should have more addons anyway. |
| 16:54.11 | JoshBorke | imho, the fewer addons the better |
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| 16:55.28 | SpiderFLS | hmm getting an error msg... |
| 16:57.03 | SpiderFLS | attempt to call a string value, attempt to call a nil value |
| 16:58.42 | Maldivia | hmm, is it just me, or ar lot of people complaining about big slowdowns with raid UIs when entering bgs/raids... |
| 16:59.34 | SpiderFLS | it has nothing to do with addons, its the same without any addons. at least for me since 2.1 |
| 16:59.56 | Cide | I've noticed big slowdowns when logging on while in a full raid |
| 17:00.14 | Maldivia | so have I... but not consistantly |
| 17:00.30 | clad|away | its not consistent at all |
| 17:00.33 | Maldivia | sometimes, no problems, and other times, very big slowdowns |
| 17:00.46 | clad|away | and it seems tied to the UNIT_NAME_UPDATE event firing a large number of times, with multiple raid headers |
| 17:00.50 | clad|away | so I've been told |
| 17:01.22 | Maldivia | that would explain why it's especially bad, when you come in range of people in BGs |
| 17:01.47 | clad|away | but I've never been able to produce the error myself. |
| 17:02.47 | Maldivia | I've had it occur a few times, where I had to kill WoW (or just got too impatient) |
| 17:02.57 | SpiderFLS | i have a huge fps problem in raids when entering combat. it doesent matter if i have 100 addons or 0, the frame drops from ~30 to ~5-10 |
| 17:03.26 | sag_ich_nicht | you got too impatient, but if your system is not a high-end system it might have taken up to an hour for WoW to finish doing what it did, which means you'd have gotten a server disconnect anyway after it was done :P |
| 17:03.27 | SpiderFLS | the strange thing is if i die during the fight the frames go back to normal |
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| 17:03.54 | Maldivia | sag: I would think my system is high-end enough :) |
| 17:04.16 | sag_ich_nicht | SpiderFLS: i suggest updating your addons then |
| 17:04.30 | sag_ich_nicht | as well as switching to no-ext if you have any ace2 addons |
| 17:04.42 | SpiderFLS | they are all up to date, and as i said its the same problem without addons |
| 17:04.58 | SpiderFLS | and i never had this problem before patch 2.1 |
| 17:05.18 | clad|away | because 2.1 changed the raid header |
| 17:05.53 | sag_ich_nicht | [19:04] <SpiderFLS> they are all up to date, and as i said its the same problem without addons <--that's bad then. |
| 17:05.54 | SpiderFLS | then why does the fps go up when i die during combat? or no addons are enabled? |
| 17:06.34 | clad|away | .. because |
| 17:06.42 | SpiderFLS | ohh i see:D |
| 17:06.44 | clad|away | nothign is using that template |
| 17:06.49 | clad|away | when you have no addons enabled. |
| 17:06.54 | SpiderFLS | hmm |
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| 17:55.14 | Industrial | clad|away: got aprob with http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info3999-DevTools.html |
| 17:55.19 | Industrial | download link links to the same page |
| 17:55.49 | zenzelezz | throws a .zip at me |
| 17:55.56 | Industrial | :S |
| 17:56.01 | Maldivia | works fine for me too |
| 17:56.33 | Industrial | hmz its my firefox then |
| 17:56.44 | Maldivia | tried clicking the big big download button on the right? |
| 17:57.24 | Maldivia | clicking the link under "latest version" will go to the same page, that is kind of odd, yes :) |
| 17:57.58 | Maldivia | nevermind, that was me clicking the wrong thing :) |
| 17:58.31 | Maldivia | could be a referal thing - you have any firefox extensions installed that messes with referal ? |
| 17:59.35 | Industrial | nop |
| 17:59.41 | Industrial | session error, restarted works fine |
| 17:59.52 | Maldivia | Ok |
| 18:00.25 | Maldivia | clad, think you're right about the unit name update event... joining an AV BG, with only 15 players so far, and so far received around 150 events |
| 18:01.07 | Maldivia | and each event causes shown secure group/raid headers to refresh, that's a lot of refreshs :) |
| 18:01.12 | clad|away | yes |
| 18:01.28 | clad|away | i wasn't the one who figured it out, I'm just the messenger |
| 18:03.52 | clad|away | :P |
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| 18:08.18 | sag_ich_nicht | clad|away: does lightheaded work with doublewidth? |
| 18:08.27 | clad|away | yes |
| 18:08.36 | clad|away | it was designed with doublewide and the default quest log in mind. |
| 18:08.41 | sag_ich_nicht | k :O |
| 18:08.44 | clad|away | as can be seen from the screenshots |
| 18:08.44 | clad|away | :P |
| 18:08.49 | sag_ich_nicht | i didn't bother to check :P |
| 18:09.03 | sag_ich_nicht | now add support for the partyquests questlog :P |
| 18:09.59 | Industrial | >>> a={} function a:foo() return self end print(a) print(a:foo()) |
| 18:09.59 | Cide | Industrial: { ["foo"] = function: 0033A1A8 } (#1), <table: #1> |
| 18:10.09 | Industrial | oki |
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| 18:11.51 | clad|away | sag_ich_nicht: I don't "Add support" for anything |
| 18:12.01 | clad|away | any addon that uses QuestLogFrame gets LH attached to it. |
| 18:12.16 | clad|away | I wont' be coding support for anything else, those users can detach and those addons can reparent the frame |
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| 18:12.19 | Industrial | http://pastey.net/70105?hi=53,59 |
| 18:12.28 | Industrial | howcome self in the highlighted lines is nil? |
| 18:12.29 | Industrial | :SS |
| 18:12.30 | clad|away | I'm not getting into teh business of supporting 15 different quest log frames, just because someone likes a different flavor. |
| 18:12.53 | sag_ich_nicht | [20:12] <@clad|away> I wont' be coding support for anything else, those users can detach and those addons can reparent the frame <--okay then it's probably a bug in partyquests, strange >.> |
| 18:13.02 | sag_ich_nicht | ~whalestab AnduinLothar |
| 18:13.12 | purl | ACTION stabs AnduinLothar with a rather narrow and pointy whale named Montgomery |
| 18:13.15 | clad|away | Industrial: cause you dont' pass addon to addon.INitialize() or addon.Enable() |
| 18:13.26 | clad|away | you need to addon.Enable(addon) or addon:Enable() |
| 18:14.28 | Industrial | oh crap |
| 18:14.30 | Industrial | thanks |
| 18:14.33 | clad|away | yep |
| 18:14.35 | clad|away | afk, bbl |
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| 18:20.20 | sag_ich_nicht | what the hell |
| 18:21.01 | sag_ich_nicht | what's the purpose of TABARD_CANSAVE_CHANGED? D: |
| 18:21.29 | zenzelezz | probably sent when you make changes to a tabard design and are allowed to save |
| 18:21.51 | sag_ich_nicht | i am running around in ironforge |
| 18:21.54 | sag_ich_nicht | doing nothing |
| 18:21.59 | sag_ich_nicht | it is firing like crazy. |
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| 18:34.46 | ckknight | sag_ich_nicht: I told you to check TabardFrame.lua |
| 18:35.35 | sag_ich_nicht | ckknight: check timestamps. |
| 18:35.41 | sag_ich_nicht | :P |
| 18:35.52 | ckknight | oh |
| 18:35.53 | ckknight | dang |
| 18:35.58 | ckknight | "my bad" |
| 18:36.02 | ckknight | thought I was in #wowace |
| 18:36.03 | sag_ich_nicht | HA! |
| 18:36.19 | sag_ich_nicht | Cide |
| 18:36.32 | sag_ich_nicht | fix CTRAs item check & reagent check code or i will stab you. |
| 18:37.13 | Lunessa | ~stab sag_ich_nicht |
| 18:37.14 | purl | ACTION runs at sag_ich_nicht with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 18:37.29 | sag_ich_nicht | ~parry |
| 18:37.34 | sag_ich_nicht | gah |
| 18:37.46 | sag_ich_nicht | then we will just have to overkill |
| 18:37.48 | sag_ich_nicht | ~whaleparry |
| 18:38.43 | sag_ich_nicht | ~~ |
| 18:38.44 | purl | Every moment in which I'm called upon is torture. |
| 18:39.04 | sag_ich_nicht | bad purl, don't ignore my whaleparry :( |
| 18:39.51 | zenzelezz | ~whaleparry sag_ich_nicht |
| 18:39.52 | purl | ACTION uses a slightly less-huge but eminently more agile killer whale named Edwardo to parry sag_ich_nicht's attacks. |
| 18:43.20 | sag_ich_nicht | >< |
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| 18:49.07 | krka | hm, what does it mean when it says "Incompatible" on the addons listing? |
| 18:49.17 | krka | will the addon not load? |
| 18:49.17 | Kaydeethree | it was written before december 5, 2006 |
| 18:49.25 | sag_ich_nicht | krka: correct |
| 18:49.32 | Kaydeethree | find something written some time this year |
| 18:51.06 | Matrix110 | or just edit the .toc and check if it works^^ |
| 18:51.15 | krka | oic |
| 18:51.22 | Kaydeethree | no! |
| 18:51.24 | krka | so load out of date addons thing wont work for those? |
| 18:51.28 | Kaydeethree | editing tocs is stupid and wrong |
| 18:51.29 | Kaydeethree | yes |
| 18:51.38 | Kaydeethree | it's incompatible, that addon was written before the 2.0 switch |
| 18:51.41 | krka | what if i'm the author? am not allowed to change toc for those? :) |
| 18:51.48 | Kaydeethree | ... |
| 18:52.03 | krka | current toc? |
| 18:52.05 | krka | 21200? |
| 18:52.08 | krka | nvm |
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| 19:31.26 | Shirik|AFK | ~lart Krka |
| 19:31.26 | purl | whips out a sword and chops Krka in half |
| 19:31.33 | Shirik|AFK | 40 minutes out of date but definitely needed |
| 19:32.08 | JoshBorke | something about LUA? |
| 19:32.14 | JoshBorke | blast |
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| 20:04.31 | krka | what is lart? |
| 20:04.36 | Cairenn | ~lart |
| 20:04.46 | krka | see, that didnt help me |
| 20:04.54 | zenzelezz | ~literal lart |
| 20:04.55 | purl | "lart" is "Luser Attitude Re-adjustment Tool" |
| 20:05.24 | Cairenn | sorry, I expected it to say it in channel, but yes, what zenzelezz just got it to do |
| 20:05.37 | zenzelezz | hah, I outsmarted Cairenn! I can has win |
| 20:05.42 | Cairenn | heh |
| 20:05.43 | krka | for those that didnt get it, i have purl on ignore |
| 20:05.57 | Cairenn | ah |
| 20:06.03 | zenzelezz | np, most of us have you on ignore too |
| 20:06.04 | zenzelezz | =D |
| 20:06.24 | krka | fair trade |
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| 20:09.31 | Cairenn | besides, I talks to you over here, too! |
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| 20:20.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Heh. ~lart is oldschool |
| 20:20.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Newschool: ~rlart |
| 20:20.54 | amro | ~lart rlart |
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| 21:07.10 | sag_ich_nicht | anyone here capable of speaking chinese? |
| 21:08.03 | zenzelezz | ni hao |
| 21:11.42 | Matrix110 | speaking and writing chinese is different btw:P |
| 21:12.10 | Matrix110 | speaking Chinese is insanely hard for most US/EU people while they might be able to write/read chinese |
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| 21:15.36 | |FF|Im2good4u | i only eat chinese |
| 21:15.47 | nevcairiel | he |
| 21:15.48 | nevcairiel | h |
| 21:18.01 | Matrix110 | i doubt you eat real chinese food :P |
| 21:21.54 | sag_ich_nicht | http://pastey.net/70111-28im |
| 21:22.53 | sag_ich_nicht | [23:12] <Matrix110> speaking Chinese is insanely hard for most US/EU people while they might be able to write/read chinese <--it's "insanely" hard because they are too dumb to pronounce it, not too dumb to understand it :P |
| 21:23.40 | Matrix110 | even if you know how to pronounce it its still quite hard to actually being able to pronounce it like that |
| 21:24.51 | Matrix110 | but well the EU/US inhabitant is unfamiliar with these pronounciation of words just a learning thing |
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| 21:43.21 | Industrial | I'm looking for an addon to show me damage and healing. Not MSBT, SCT, BlizzardTD or eavesdrop |
| 21:43.30 | Industrial | (nor the combatlog) |
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| 21:46.15 | Shirik | sag_ich_nicht: The issue is |
| 21:46.27 | zenzelezz | Industrial: show you in what way then? |
| 21:46.34 | Shirik | every "syllable" really has 5+ "tones" |
| 21:46.39 | Shirik | all which mean different things |
| 21:46.48 | Shirik | somewhat hard to explain over IRC but easy to explain when pronounced |
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| 21:47.50 | zenzelezz | think of the Maiden of Virtue's "ah ah ah ah" |
| 21:47.59 | kaiden | she's a slut |
| 21:48.03 | Shirik | lol |
| 21:48.26 | zenzelezz | yes, but you get the point |
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| 21:49.08 | kaiden | why did apple have to lowjack the iPhone so horribly |
| 21:49.23 | Shirik | ? |
| 21:49.50 | kaiden | just all the little features they put in that make it so annoying, ie.. you may only sync with 1 library at a time |
| 21:50.17 | kaiden | if you go to a friends house you can't get mp3's off his system without erasing your entire data store on the phone |
| 21:50.26 | kaiden | then, you cannot copy off of the phone back to the computer |
| 21:51.15 | foxlit | ... nothing to do with the phone. |
| 21:51.16 | Shirik | DRM is pointless |
| 21:51.20 | Shirik | I don't even know why it exists |
| 21:51.24 | foxlit | Well, no. |
| 21:51.27 | deltron | Shirik: $$$$$$$ |
| 21:51.32 | Shirik | well no kidding |
| 21:51.35 | Shirik | but it's easy to work around |
| 21:51.47 | foxlit | And be happy for that. |
| 21:52.11 | kaiden | foxlit, how do you gather that it has nothing to do with the phone |
| 21:52.22 | foxlit | Because the same thing applies to every ipod. |
| 21:52.24 | kaiden | can you not do it on an iPod? |
| 21:52.28 | kaiden | ah, i never bought an iPod |
| 21:52.43 | kaiden | well most players can i would think |
| 21:52.46 | Shirik | >>> string.match("12345", "(.*)") |
| 21:52.47 | Cide | Shirik: "12345" |
| 21:52.48 | sag_ich_nicht | no |
| 21:52.51 | sag_ich_nicht | most players can not. |
| 21:52.52 | sag_ich_nicht | actually |
| 21:52.53 | sag_ich_nicht | :P |
| 21:53.02 | kaiden | kinda sad :( |
| 21:53.33 | kaiden | ok.. well.. either way ... my statements still apply as far as the only syncing 1 library at a time |
| 21:53.45 | kaiden | ie i have mp3's on my machine from home, i want to put a video on it from my work computer |
| 21:53.59 | kaiden | and because i've already copied mp3's from home i can't do that without sync'ing and destroying all i have |
| 21:54.03 | Shirik | >>> string.find("12345", "7*") |
| 21:54.03 | Cide | Shirik: 1, 0 |
| 21:54.17 | foxlit | 0 or more |
| 21:54.19 | Shirik | yeah |
| 21:54.22 | Shirik | that's what I just figured |
| 21:54.30 | Shirik | I sat there for a sec like "wtf is the difference between * and +" |
| 21:54.32 | Shirik | then it hit me |
| 21:55.24 | sag_ich_nicht | Shirik |
| 21:55.30 | Shirik | sag_ich_nicht |
| 21:55.31 | sag_ich_nicht | i want that battlerecorder |
| 21:55.33 | sag_ich_nicht | get to it |
| 21:55.34 | sag_ich_nicht | :P |
| 21:55.38 | Shirik | so do a million other peopel >< |
| 21:55.47 | sag_ich_nicht | i don' |
| 21:55.49 | Shirik | Cidan and I are dealing with more pressing matters atm though |
| 21:55.49 | sag_ich_nicht | t care about them |
| 21:55.51 | sag_ich_nicht | I want it :P |
| 21:55.55 | sag_ich_nicht | oh really? |
| 21:55.55 | Shirik | like how we're going to fix the RDX windows |
| 21:55.56 | Shirik | again |
| 21:55.56 | sag_ich_nicht | e.g.? |
| 21:56.00 | sag_ich_nicht | lol |
| 21:56.12 | sag_ich_nicht | that's easy |
| 21:56.12 | Shirik | we're going to completely rewrite them |
| 21:56.14 | Shirik | again |
| 21:56.19 | Shirik | this'll be about the 4th rewrite I think |
| 21:56.21 | sag_ich_nicht | Ace RDX. |
| 21:56.26 | Shirik | since version 9 |
| 21:56.30 | sag_ich_nicht | >;) |
| 21:56.35 | Shirik | ya no |
| 21:56.52 | sag_ich_nicht | Shirik you know I'm kidding :P |
| 21:57.14 | |Jelly| | I stopped with that...kind of felt bad. lol |
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| 21:58.58 | sag_ich_nicht | http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/06/30/1259258 i think the RIAA is going to get punched in the balls hard, soon |
| 22:00.22 | Shirik | sorry, what's a "request for discovery" ? |
| 22:00.47 | sag_ich_nicht | Shirik "show us your contracts because i think they are illegal" |
| 22:00.56 | Shirik | ah |
| 22:01.28 | sag_ich_nicht | (well, not exactly, but i'm too incompetent to give a proper description :P) |
| 22:02.22 | Shirik | good enough for me |
| 22:02.33 | Shirik | could ask my dad but not really worth it |
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| 22:05.50 | sag_ich_nicht | Shirik: i think you should ask your dad about copyright, software patents, import rules and WoW server emulators, too :P |
| 22:06.12 | Shirik | he's a patent lawyer, he gets enough of that without me |
| 22:06.52 | sag_ich_nicht | all the more reason to ask him if he's a patent lawyer :P |
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| 22:13.29 | foxlit | Hm, iTunes shuffle seems to come up with a lot of Tom Lehrer :P |
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| 22:38.22 | Industrial | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:38.28 | Industrial | I want to see the numbers as they happen |
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| 22:40.27 | zenzelezz | is the default UI not good enough then? |
| 22:42.17 | |Jelly| | god no |
| 22:42.45 | foxlit | Default combat log is... awful at best. |
| 22:43.01 | zenzelezz | I didn't say combat log |
| 22:43.02 | foxlit | Especially if you've got some damage-recording mod that extends range to Canada's border. |
| 22:43.21 | foxlit | There isn't much else in the default UI that does this properly. |
| 22:43.48 | zenzelezz | there's both the normal damage numbers and that built-in scrolling thing |
| 22:43.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't understand what you mean, Industrial |
| 22:44.41 | sag_ich_nicht | SimpleCombatLog ftw |
| 22:44.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | i use SCL and SCT |
| 22:45.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | if you can't get what you want from either of those, then it likely doesn't exist |
| 22:45.22 | sag_ich_nicht | so do i Mr_Rabies2 |
| 22:45.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | for "combat numbers" |
| 22:45.40 | sag_ich_nicht | he may want evesdrop |
| 22:45.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | he said "not eavesdrop" |
| 22:45.57 | sag_ich_nicht | well |
| 22:45.59 | sag_ich_nicht | then ool |
| 22:46.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | or SCT, or MSBT or BlizzardTD |
| 22:46.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | TowerDefense? |
| 22:50.05 | sag_ich_nicht | what |
| 22:50.12 | sag_ich_nicht | WTB Tower Defense Instance in WoW |
| 22:50.17 | sag_ich_nicht | I'd do that instance |
| 22:50.19 | sag_ich_nicht | all day. |
| 22:51.14 | Industrial | zenzelezz: no, far too big and fast |
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| 22:51.32 | Industrial | fonts choppy on the edges |
| 22:51.32 | Industrial | etc |
| 22:51.33 | Industrial | :P |
| 22:53.01 | Industrial | Mr_Rabies2: I just dubbed it BlizzardDamageText :P |
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| 23:14.40 | Corrodias | anybody know if the windowed resolution bug is fixed in 2.1.3 or whatever the PTR is now? |
| 23:15.52 | zenzelezz | what bug is that? |
| 23:16.03 | sag_ich_nicht | Corrodias i think it's fixed for 2.2 |
| 23:16.07 | sag_ich_nicht | not sure about 2.1.3 |
| 23:16.33 | Corrodias | when in windowed mode, the resolution isn't as wide as it should be |
| 23:16.42 | Corrodias | it's including the borders in the count of pixels |
| 23:16.54 | Corrodias | k. i'll be loading the PTR later to check. |
| 23:17.48 | sag_ich_nicht | wait |
| 23:17.50 | sag_ich_nicht | the PTR is up? |
| 23:17.54 | sag_ich_nicht | link 2 patchnotes pls |
| 23:18.34 | Corrodias | think so. brb. |
| 23:18.47 | Corrodias | http://test.worldofwarcraft.com/ptr/downloads/downloads.html -- patch notes incoming, hang on |
| 23:19.01 | Corrodias | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/patchnotes/test-realm-patchnotes.html |
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| 23:36.26 | Thelyna | idiot question, but what does 'PN' stand for in RTFPN? |
| 23:36.46 | zenzelezz | patch notes |
| 23:37.11 | Thelyna | ahh |
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| 23:40.36 | Corrodias | patch notes don't say anything about the engine and windowed mode, but i will hold hope. also i hold hope for 2.2. |
| 23:41.12 | Corrodias | i got to use Vista for a while on my parents' computer today. that Aero style is pretty flashy. |
| 23:41.36 | Corrodias | i didn't see much that made it any easier to use. the user folders were arranged a little differently. |
| 23:42.02 | ScytheBlade1 | So the macro rewrite is going in .3? |
| 23:42.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Would have thought 2.2 |
| 23:44.07 | Thelyna | 2.1.3 for the macro fix is what I heard |
| 23:45.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Perhaps I'm confusing fix with rewrite |
| 23:45.39 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=102909678&sid=1&pageNo=5#82 |
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| 23:45.45 | ScytheBlade1 | "Improved the performance of conditional macros, slightly increasing the framerate." |
| 23:45.53 | Corrodias | how significant? |
| 23:46.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Dunno |
| 23:46.20 | ScytheBlade1 | PTR means I bust out WoWTorrentEx and Azureus to download and patch |
| 23:46.49 | MentalPower | 100x increase |
| 23:47.27 | Corrodias | by the way, i get quite irritated when people confuse "X times more" and "X times as much" |
| 23:47.58 | Corrodias | i heard a radio ad yesterday that advertised making you read 1000% -faster-, yet said you could only read -ten- times as fast as other people |
| 23:48.13 | Corrodias | all i have to ask those people is what it means to read 100% faster |
| 23:48.20 | Corrodias | then laugh as their head explodes >:o |
| 23:48.38 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 23:49.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh okay, 2.1.3 is general improvements in the current macro system |
| 23:49.42 | ScytheBlade1 | 2.2 is the rewrite |
| 23:50.53 | ScytheBlade1 | lol, I'm a prick |
| 23:50.54 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=114663288&sid=1 |
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| 23:59.21 | Corrodias | know what bugs me? it's when mounts don't have any sound for something |
| 23:59.32 | Corrodias | like nether drake mounts having no sound for /mountspecial |
