| 00:01.03 | Corrodias | sounds annoying |
| 00:01.22 | Corrodias | i've added this to my script that always runs on PLAYER_ENTERING_WOLD: |
| 00:01.40 | Corrodias | DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:SetPoint(etc) DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME.SetPoint = donothing (and donothing is an empty function) |
| 00:02.30 | Corrodias | set it where i want it and make it so it won't be moved. >:o |
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| 00:48.10 | Xuerian | AnduinLothar: Grats on BC ticket :P |
| 00:52.06 | sag_ich_nicht | he got one? grats |
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| 01:00.50 | foxlit | AL is going to join the burning crusade? |
| 01:01.42 | zenzelezz | do you people never read the WoWI front page? |
| 01:03.41 | sag_ich_nicht | foxlit: BC=blizzcon in this case :P |
| 01:04.24 | Neebler | AnduinLothar = KarlKFI! oldschool cosmos author |
| 01:04.28 | foxlit | No, never! |
| 01:04.39 | foxlit | (I guessed at that, it's still rather odd) |
| 01:05.29 | zenzelezz | what's so odd about it? |
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| 02:14.39 | cogwheel | hehe... UnitClass on a voidwalker == Paladin |
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| 02:41.13 | Kirkburn | Woo, visit our completely revamped Fansites section! http://www.wowwiki.com/Fansites |
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| 02:47.18 | Tuller | so things that happen when I'm bored: http://i16.tinypic.com/62ejafq.jpg |
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| 02:51.37 | Mike-N-Go | Kirkburn: Ain't that something for #wowwiki? |
| 02:52.14 | Kirkburn | But people might find it useful? |
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| 02:53.17 | Kirkburn | I don't often pimp the site, but that stuff took a whole day to sort through >< |
| 02:53.19 | Mike-N-Go | You used the term 'our' that confused me. |
| 02:54.08 | Kirkburn | Aha, that's because I'm directly linked with the site than most - guess it does sound a bit odd |
| 02:54.22 | Kirkburn | *more directly |
| 02:55.49 | Shirik | Mike-N-Go: If he said "wowwiki's " instead of "our" it would be like spam :P |
| 02:55.57 | Shirik | "our" is more personal and more appropriate imho :)O |
| 02:58.12 | Mike-N-Go | I guess, I am still new to this IRC thing. I have only been idling for a half a year now. |
| 03:01.02 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 03:01.20 | Kirkburn | Gawd, I guess I've been here almost 1.5 years |
| 03:01.54 | Kirkburn | Anyway, in the interests of clarity, I indirectly work for WoWWiki now (via the company that owns it) |
| 03:04.27 | Mike-N-Go | Well, if your on their payroll, you are a find representative to talk from the company's prospective! |
| 03:04.37 | Kirkburn | :D |
| 03:04.49 | Mike-N-Go | s/find/fine/ |
| 03:08.35 | Mike-N-Go | Shirik: Long time, no hunt. |
| 03:09.53 | Corrodias | i will not move when flame wreath is cast or the raid blows up |
| 03:09.59 | Corrodias | only had one blowup tonight |
| 03:10.30 | Mike-N-Go | Corrodias: What is this wreath of flames? |
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| 03:10.55 | Corrodias | one of the abilities of the Shade of Aran, Karazhan |
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| 03:13.33 | Mike-N-Go | Never been, hope to visit that instance soon. |
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| 03:29.37 | Thunder_Child | lol "20:02:55 <Deadly Boss Mods> Combat ended after 11 seconds." |
| 03:29.45 | Thunder_Child | SSC first boss |
| 03:29.59 | zenzelezz | he spawned both add types? |
| 03:30.22 | Thunder_Child | no, we just didnt have the resist gear...we were..."Testing the waters" so to speak |
| 03:31.11 | subbawt | lol |
| 03:31.54 | zenzelezz | was that a pun from Thunder_Child? |
| 03:32.55 | Cairenn | ! |
| 03:33.01 | Cairenn | it was! I saw it too! |
| 03:33.31 | *** topic/#wowi-lounge by Cairenn -> #wowi-lounge: Paste Code Here: http://wowi.pastey.net | 2.1 Toc: 20100 | RTFPN please | TC tells puns too, we have proof: "...we were..."Testing the waters" so to speak" |
| 03:34.16 | Thunder_Child | crap |
| 03:34.22 | Thunder_Child | i got cought |
| 03:34.27 | Thunder_Child | caught* |
| 03:35.28 | Thunder_Child | i still reserve the right to bitch about other peopls puns |
| 03:35.59 | Cairenn | not any more you don't! |
| 03:36.04 | Thelyna | heh .. 30-second wipe after an accidental aggro on magtheridon .. woo |
| 03:36.25 | Thunder_Child | yes i do...at least mine was tastefull and subtle |
| 03:36.36 | Thunder_Child | well, if i didnt "" it anyways |
| 03:37.09 | Cairenn | oh no you don't, you were caught fair and square, you gotta shut up and take it now! :p |
| 03:38.07 | Thunder_Child | no i dont...thats what a hypocrite is |
| 03:38.26 | Cairenn | lol |
| 03:38.39 | zenzelezz | looks like you made a hypocritical error |
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| 03:42.28 | pakoz2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:43.02 | Cairenn | patch notes |
| 03:45.52 | Kirkburn | I think this will be enjoyed - sequel to the Youtube hit Hyperactive, which I missed - http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=JzqumbhfxRo |
| 03:46.37 | Kirkburn | (I missed the sequel, not the original) |
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| 03:56.06 | Cairenn | night Kirkburn|sleep |
| 03:56.25 | Kirkburn|sleep | Night! :) |
| 04:07.56 | Tuller | this is turning out much better than I expected |
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| 06:16.55 | JunkHead-Work | Morning |
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| 07:08.56 | JunkHead-Work | Quiet in here tonight. |
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| 07:13.25 | JunkHead-Work | Anyone know how to get MobInfo2 to use less memory? Or can offer advice on another addon for the same purpose? |
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| 08:12.00 | Guillotine | JunkHead-Work: depends. do you just want the health like most people? |
| 08:12.19 | Guillotine | If so, try MobHealth |
| 08:12.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | i think mobhealth even imports health data from mobinfo |
| 08:12.50 | JunkHead-Work | I was thinking that. |
| 08:13.28 | Thrae | I re-rolled my Progress Quest character to have a strength of 18. I don't want to waste any time here... |
| 08:13.29 | JunkHead-Work | I like how MobInfo2 gives a lot of info in the tooltip (I use tipbuddy), And I would sacrifice some info for better resource usage. |
| 08:13.49 | Thrae | JunkHead-Work: My god, TipBuddy is still in development? |
| 08:14.03 | JunkHead-Work | I guess so. |
| 08:14.34 | Thrae | JunkHead-Work: Well, go to files.wowace.com and look at CowTip, which should have the exact functionality you're looking for. |
| 08:15.05 | JunkHead-Work | Ok I'm at work now so i can't try anything. But I downloaded cowtip and.... another one. |
| 08:15.09 | JunkHead-Work | Tinytip maybe? |
| 08:15.31 | Thrae | I am infinitely familiar with TinyTip, yes. |
| 08:15.38 | JunkHead-Work | Ok cool. |
| 08:15.55 | Thrae | TinyTip doesn't have mob health in itself, but you can use addons like MobHealth3 to add it to the tooltip. |
| 08:15.59 | JunkHead-Work | It just kinda bugs me that most of my addons use very little memory, and then 2-3 use 1-2mb each. |
| 08:16.08 | JunkHead-Work | Then MobInfo2 uses over 7mb.:\ |
| 08:16.16 | JunkHead-Work | Ah cool. |
| 08:16.33 | JunkHead-Work | So I could just ditch mobinfo2, and get mobhealth. |
| 08:16.40 | Guillotine | wow, MobInfo uses 7mb? o.O My addon with all the specs for every level 70 in my battlegroup doesn't even use that much o.O |
| 08:16.42 | JunkHead-Work | And then try a better tooltip addon. |
| 08:16.47 | JunkHead-Work | Yes. |
| 08:16.55 | JunkHead-Work | According to fubar it uses about 7.4mb |
| 08:17.10 | Thrae | JunkHead-Work: If you really want to look at what addons are bad, look at memory use -per second-, and CPU usage (there are lots of addons which can help you profile this) |
| 08:17.24 | JunkHead-Work | Hmm... |
| 08:17.39 | Thrae | An addon loading a huge database only makes loading time a little longer inbetween instances |
| 08:18.11 | Thrae | Actually, scratch that, only when the UI is reloaded completely (first login and a few other situations, other then manually) |
| 08:19.13 | JunkHead-Work | I dunno, usually when I leave an instance, I see everyone else way ahead of me, as if their screen loaded quicker. |
| 08:19.28 | JunkHead-Work | Not sure if that would have anything to do with it though. |
| 08:20.09 | Thrae | JunkHead-Work: That's partly to do with a HUGE number of events firing all at once, and partly because tons of addons do things on PEW (PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD, fired for zoning) |
| 08:20.27 | JunkHead-Work | Quite possible. |
| 08:20.42 | JunkHead-Work | Now that I think of it, i have one more question that has been bothering me. |
| 08:20.49 | JunkHead-Work | I'd like to know if anyone else has noticed it. |
| 08:21.19 | JunkHead-Work | I use some of the CT stuff, mainly buffmod and mailmod. |
| 08:21.45 | JunkHead-Work | And whenever I open my mailbox, to actually GET an item, say like, I won an auction or something... my FPS drops to single digits. |
| 08:22.01 | JunkHead-Work | If I only have my main mailbox window open, it's fine. |
| 08:22.12 | Thrae | JunkHead-Work: Hmmm, there are tons of addons to replace that stuff |
| 08:22.28 | JunkHead-Work | But as soon as I click on a piece of mail, (I haven't figured out if it happens with mail that contains no item) it slows down. |
| 08:22.37 | JunkHead-Work | I've also tried "Postal" and it does it also. |
| 08:22.47 | Thrae | JunkHead-Work: If you go to files.wowace.com (the main Ace repository), you'll find 1 billion of them. Ace addons aren't always the best, but they are usually not -that- bad. |
| 08:23.11 | JunkHead-Work | Yeah I've always used a efw Ace addons, but recently I'm using them more. |
| 08:23.19 | Thrae | JunkHead-Work: Hmmm, get Master Control Program, a simple addon. It might be on Ace. |
| 08:23.21 | JunkHead-Work | I've made a lot of switches to ace addons. |
| 08:23.29 | JunkHead-Work | Let me look. |
| 08:23.34 | Thrae | Well I'm saying all of this, but my addons don't use Ace ;) |
| 08:23.49 | Guillotine | Alright, I need some suggestions. I'm ressurecting Kaelten's Combine (a GEM type addon that currently does nothing but shows a calendar) and I'm trying to figure out the best way to sync data. Unlike GEM, I want it to be able to sync through other people. I currently have two ideas. 1) An SVN type of thing, with the current 'version' number stored in a guild note (which would have to be editable by anyone) or 2) Actually saving changes. e.g. "+r |
| 08:23.49 | Guillotine | aid 2250 7/7/07.Gruul's Lair.6:30-7:30" "+signup 2250 Guillotine Druid", ect. |
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| 08:24.10 | Thrae | Ace is just a framework. It just happens developers who care about trying to code well tend to flock to Ace. But there are still tons of talented authors out there who don't use Ace. |
| 08:24.25 | Thrae | And there are also tons of really bad authors who use Ace =/ |
| 08:24.26 | Guillotine | and some Ace authors that aren't talented as well |
| 08:24.28 | JunkHead-Work | master control is not on the files list, and the main wiki page is down atm. |
| 08:24.30 | Guillotine | damn, beat me to it |
| 08:24.39 | Guillotine | its actually ACP |
| 08:24.40 | Guillotine | the ace version |
| 08:24.48 | Thrae | I want him to use the simple version |
| 08:24.48 | Guillotine | Addon Control Panel |
| 08:25.01 | Guillotine | oh.didn't know there was another o.O |
| 08:25.43 | nevcairiel | i use rMPC from wowi .. dunno whats the difference really :P |
| 08:26.00 | Thrae | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info6839-rMCP.html |
| 08:26.16 | Guillotine | ACP is pretty much an Ace'd version of rMPC that adds in functionality to sort by ace addons and recursively automatically load dependencies |
| 08:26.40 | Thrae | Yeah, but it's a whole bunch of crap he doesn't really need right now |
| 08:26.47 | Guillotine | probably |
| 08:27.14 | Thrae | JunkHead-Work: I'm linking you rMCP since you can use it to load and unload addons INSIDE the game, WITHOUT having the log out. Each time it'll just reload the UI without logging out. |
| 08:27.21 | JunkHead-Work | Ok so this... lets you control Addons from one GUI? |
| 08:27.27 | JunkHead-Work | Ah sweet |
| 08:28.04 | JunkHead-Work | Thanks for that. I'll try that later today. |
| 08:28.04 | Thrae | JunkHead-Work: So for the FPS issue, disable all the addons that you -think- could be causing it, then enable them one by one until it happens again. Also, look for CPU Profiling addons. |
| 08:28.14 | JunkHead-Work | Gotcha. |
| 08:28.29 | Thrae | CPU Profiling would be much easier, but it's a little technical. |
| 08:28.40 | Guillotine | so anybody have any idea on the syncing thing? |
| 08:28.51 | Thrae | Guillotine: Of what? |
| 08:29.03 | Guillotine | scroll up a bit, its a bit too long to repost |
| 08:29.26 | Guillotine | ~25 messages up |
| 08:30.26 | Thrae | Guillotine: /lastlog Guillotine |
| 08:30.37 | JunkHead-Work | Also, for anyone who hasn't seen this yet, this is gold. |
| 08:30.38 | JunkHead-Work | http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/07/06/wow-moviewatch-world-of-predatorcraft/ |
| 08:31.22 | Thrae | Guillotine: Question -- can you catch the event when the guild note is changed? |
| 08:31.39 | Thrae | IE, changed by someone not using your addon |
| 08:32.00 | Guillotine | dunno. Would really jsut tell people not to edit that guild note though |
| 08:32.25 | Thrae | Guillotine: Well, wouldn't the officers be the ones who make up the calendar anyway? |
| 08:32.38 | Guillotine | Ya, the main problem is signups |
| 08:32.44 | Thrae | Ahhh, gotcha |
| 08:33.15 | Guillotine | e.g. person A and B are on (neither are officers). A signs up for raid. A logs off. C (an officer) logs on. C should get the info that A signed up |
| 08:33.36 | Guillotine | obviously theres nothing I can do if theres no carry over (1 person on), but that happens VERY rarely |
| 08:34.20 | Guillotine | and I can't just send the table over, because if later A and C are on and A cancels their signup, then B logs on and delivers the original signup from A, A will be on the list again |
| 08:34.43 | Guillotine | so I need something that has to do with the time the action was taken |
| 08:34.58 | Thrae | Guillotine: Well with the guild note, you have a relatively short limit. You can substainly increase that limit with compressed data, but then people not using your addon would not be able to understand it. |
| 08:35.13 | Guillotine | Thrae: the guild note would just store the sub-version number |
| 08:35.24 | Guillotine | purely so that the addon knows in what order events occured |
| 08:35.31 | Guillotine | if each one has its own subversion number attached |
| 08:35.51 | Guillotine | each table, not each event |
| 08:36.28 | Guillotine | I'm currently leaning towards just saving indivdual actions and replicating them on each person's addon |
| 08:37.50 | Thrae | Guillotine: I was literally about to say, a "hive mind" type of distribution is needed anyway, and I don't see the need for the guild note editing. |
| 08:39.31 | Guillotine | never heard the term 'hive mind' used for that, but ok :P |
| 08:40.00 | Thrae | Guillotine: Well, your addon is trying to "sync" the data, effectively taking the power of all the addons into one database, or "mind" ;) |
| 08:40.27 | Guillotine | the only problem I can think of with that type of distribution is the database would grow constantly |
| 08:40.34 | Thrae | Your addons are the Bees, the WoW Internets is the Hive, the Flotsam is the Mind |
| 08:41.06 | Guillotine | I suppose I could add something in to prune all raid creations/deletions set to occur before the current date and all signups/cancelations for a raid before the current date |
| 08:41.37 | Guillotine | hmmm. maybe I can just assign each raid/signup an Id based on the scheduled time and time of creation respectively |
| 08:42.00 | Thrae | Guillotine: Well, you should be dealing with compressed data anyway. |
| 08:42.15 | Guillotine | of course |
| 08:44.02 | Thrae | Guillotine: Yeah, I'd try to sync a master version number -- this doesn't have to be on the guild note, it can be shared across everyone logged in. When you login, it will check ALL your data, regardless of your version, with the other people logged in. After that, it'll just make sure the master revision matches. |
| 08:44.53 | Thrae | It might screw up 1% of the time, but when a lot of people are online, it should be able to easily sort itself out, and that hopefully will happen a lot more then 1% of the time ;) |
| 08:45.13 | Guillotine | but how do you sync a master version number? Suppose A, B, and C are logged on and make some changes. They all log off. D logs on and makes a change. D's change would override A's |
| 08:45.30 | Guillotine | but not all guilds have people on all the time |
| 08:46.16 | Thrae | If you have 2 people on, they make changes, they log off, then you're basically screwed no matter what you do -- unless you go back to guild note editing. |
| 08:47.14 | Guillotine | not if you use my idea of just storing actions |
| 08:48.15 | Guillotine | A and B are on. A makes a change. B makes a change. They log off. C logs on and makes a change. D (an officer) logs on. He will only see C's change. A and B log on. D will now see it as it should be |
| 08:48.35 | Guillotine | it may be messed up for a bit, but it will fix itself |
| 08:48.53 | Guillotine | since the signups are rebuilt every time based on all commands given |
| 08:50.08 | Thrae | Guillotine: Yeah, I guess for guilds that are smaller, you should separate out the events into their own IDs, and just have A & B store their actions until X number of guild members are online. |
| 08:50.22 | Thrae | Guillotine: What you -don't- want the addon to do is just always try to sync the data willy-nilly. |
| 08:50.34 | Guillotine | right |
| 08:50.39 | Guillotine | so maybe a combination of the two |
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| 08:50.55 | Guillotine | store commands, create an id by hashing the commands and just compare the id |
| 08:50.59 | Guillotine | if it doesn't match, share |
| 08:51.04 | Guillotine | if it does, the two are equal |
| 08:51.18 | Thrae | Guillotine: Also, make sure you try out coroutines for this -- parsing all this data will probably keep you in Lua a lot, and especially if you're pushing out data on PEW, its going to effect people's load times |
| 08:51.33 | Guillotine | PEW? |
| 08:51.38 | Thrae | PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD |
| 08:51.42 | Guillotine | ah |
| 08:51.55 | Guillotine | ya, definately |
| 08:52.13 | Thrae | Since load times are variable, there can be a good amount of client->server->client lag |
| 08:54.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | you could always password protect it or something and have it use other addon channels :o |
| 08:54.36 | Guillotine | huh? |
| 08:54.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | i was scrolled up :x |
| 08:55.00 | Guillotine | lol |
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| 08:55.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | <+Guillotine> obviously theres nothing I can do if theres no carry over (1 person on), but that happens VERY rarely |
| 08:55.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | that was in response to that |
| 08:55.40 | Guillotine | still don't see how it would help >.> |
| 08:55.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | like, have it make channels based on guild or something and require a password to add events or something, i dunno |
| 08:55.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | i dunno |
| 08:56.10 | Guillotine | but that still won't help with people logging off and having no way to give the new data to people that log on |
| 08:56.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | i mean like, have it send it to nonguildies if no one's on, like friends list people or something, so they can store it until someone comes on |
| 08:56.23 | Guillotine | oh |
| 08:56.29 | Thrae | Guillotine: Yeah, I was also thinking about that too. If you have 2 guilds on one server using your addon, you could share the data between the 2 guilds, encrypted. This would require a hidden channel of course. |
| 08:56.58 | Guillotine | eh, that can add up a fair bit though. What happens if 30 guilds use it? You have the data from 30 guilds and load times go out the roof |
| 08:57.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | and it locks it in read only mode if no one is online in the guild |
| 08:57.34 | Thrae | Guillotine: Well, it can use a combination of both. |
| 08:58.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | i dunno, but there's bound to be some way to store the info if no one's on :[ |
| 08:58.04 | Guillotine | its an idea, but it requires just the right amount of guilds to be using the addon -- not too few or data doesn't get transferred, not too many or theres way too much data stored |
| 08:58.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | if there's a will, there's a way |
| 08:58.30 | Thrae | Guillotine: Well its compressed, encrypted, and should change every week. |
| 08:59.15 | Thrae | Guillotine: You could use very tight encryption and then have it decompress over time (meaning it might take up to 10 minutes for the data to be available, but at least that's not an extra 10 minutes load time) |
| 08:59.17 | Guillotine | I suppose that would work. Then I wouldn't have to worry about storing events and could just store the table |
| 08:59.54 | Guillotine | since there isn't much worry about missed signups going in after other people |
| 09:00.02 | Thrae | Guillotine: Of course data for other guilds would never need to be decompressed |
| 09:00.37 | Guillotine | right |
| 09:01.08 | Thrae | These are all nice ideas really, however |
| 09:01.30 | Thrae | 1st Thing you should do == Make It Share Data Collectively, uncompressed, unthrottled ;) |
| 09:01.46 | Thrae | I love designing addons so much I hate starting out with the grunt work =/ |
| 09:01.56 | Guillotine | well, if I'm doing the event storing version, I'd have to rewrite it to do that :/ |
| 09:02.32 | Thrae | Guillotine: Have you mastered Addon-to-Addon communication and/or Channel Sharing? |
| 09:02.49 | Guillotine | ya, done quite a few addons with it |
| 09:02.59 | Thrae | Ah, OK |
| 09:03.17 | Thrae | Just making sure -- I tend to get ahead of myself sometimes |
| 09:03.51 | Guillotine | ya, I know what I'm doing :) The problem is really just coming up with a creative way to get around the restrictio of not being able to store data on the server |
| 09:04.41 | Thrae | Since you're really dealing with data and not anything seriously related to the WoW API, you should easily be able to do offline unit testing. So you don't have to worry about requiring huge stress testing of which idea is best. |
| 09:05.04 | Guillotine | well, all ideas will work programatically |
| 09:05.08 | Guillotine | the problem is logistics |
| 09:05.29 | Guillotine | how many people are going to be on using the addon? How many gaps will there be during which noone is on with it? How many guilds will use it? |
| 09:05.41 | Guillotine | things that determine which method is best that I can't test out of WoW |
| 09:05.50 | Thrae | Right, so you can create a simplistic AI with patterns that you may encounter with a typical guild, and have it run its little random dance and spit out data |
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| 09:06.38 | Guillotine | ya, but I don't know the patterns you'd encounter in a typical guild :P I'm not on 24/7 so I don't know how many times there are gaps in the middle of the night |
| 09:06.49 | Guillotine | I'm really only on during raid time during which there are, of course, people on |
| 09:07.06 | Thrae | Guillotine: Take the worst case scenario you can think of (realistically), and base it on that |
| 09:07.49 | Guillotine | eh, don't think any of them would work if a meteor destroyed the earth |
| 09:07.52 | Thrae | If you don't have enough data to even get a worst case scenario, poll people until you do ;) |
| 09:08.02 | Thrae | ***(realistically)*** :D |
| 09:08.27 | Guillotine | worse case scenario is that only my guild uses it and we have large gaps and only 1 person on at a time |
| 09:08.39 | Guillotine | in which case the event storing way is clearly superior |
| 09:09.01 | Thrae | Guillotine: Yeah, now compare that with the best case scenario (or "stressed" scenario) |
| 09:09.34 | Thrae | Hang on a minute, I just thought of something interesting -- why not do both? |
| 09:10.17 | Guillotine | well, if there are no gaps, but only 1 guild using it, simple table transfer among the guild is best. If there are gaps and multiple guilds using it, sharing across guilds might be best |
| 09:10.21 | Thrae | Guillotine: Implement both modules, use one for big guilds with lots of people online usually, use the other for smaller guilds. The addon would also store the people online at any given time, and average it out over time. |
| 09:10.22 | Guillotine | what do you mean by do both? |
| 09:10.32 | Guillotine | wow |
| 09:10.35 | Guillotine | I am WAY too lazy for that |
| 09:10.49 | Thrae | Guillotine: That way the inter-guild communication won't get choked for super-huge raiding guilds. |
| 09:10.51 | Guillotine | and if I knew how to use bold over IRC, WAY would be in bold |
| 09:11.02 | Thrae | Hehe |
| 09:11.31 | Guillotine | I think I'll start off with the event storing way. I'll put it in a module so that if I ever decide to I can add the other way |
| 09:11.45 | Thrae | Modules Are Good |
| 09:11.57 | Thrae | Properly implemented, they truly add a trivial amount of overhead |
| 09:13.17 | Guillotine | eh, I'll ask Kaelten what he was planning on doing anyway tommorrow |
| 09:13.18 | Thunder_Child | Guillotine, dont be lazy |
| 09:13.28 | Guillotine | you're one to talk TC :P |
| 09:13.37 | Thunder_Child | why yes i am |
| 09:14.03 | Thunder_Child | i was following along |
| 09:14.16 | Guillotine | yet were too lazy to respond? |
| 09:14.18 | Guillotine | :P |
| 09:14.32 | Thunder_Child | heh |
| 09:20.58 | Thunder_Child | can the wowchatlog be parsed from ingame? |
| 09:21.49 | Guillotine | not unless you're saving it to a variable yourself |
| 09:22.07 | Thunder_Child | ok |
| 09:23.18 | Thunder_Child | hmm..i suppose you could create guild toons simply to store the info in the note boxes they have |
| 09:23.22 | Thunder_Child | tacky though |
| 09:24.23 | Thunder_Child | but you might as well use the guild info pane and store all the info on the addon using that area |
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| 09:28.08 | Guillotine | would be way too much |
| 09:28.20 | Guillotine | remember, its not just raid date/times, but also whos signed up for them |
| 09:28.58 | Thunder_Child | how many chars cant the info pane hold? |
| 09:29.12 | Guillotine | info pane? as in the guld panel? |
| 09:29.16 | Thunder_Child | s/cant/can/ |
| 09:29.17 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 09:29.22 | Guillotine | 500 |
| 09:29.28 | Thunder_Child | thats more than enough |
| 09:29.30 | Guillotine | but whos going to make chars just to hold the note? |
| 09:29.38 | Guillotine | if we had unlimited chars on a server... |
| 09:29.42 | Guillotine | but we don't |
| 09:30.00 | abug | you guys come up with the weirdest ideas |
| 09:30.12 | Thunder_Child | no, 500 numbers is more than enough |
| 09:30.24 | Thunder_Child | no...the guild info panel |
| 09:30.29 | Thunder_Child | is what i ment |
| 09:30.39 | Thunder_Child | how many charicters can be entered |
| 09:30.42 | Guillotine | oh |
| 09:30.49 | Guillotine | ya, like 500 characters |
| 09:30.53 | Guillotine | but still don't think thats enough |
| 09:31.00 | Thunder_Child | a 500 number string is more than enough |
| 09:31.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | looks like 32 chars for the player note |
| 09:31.19 | Guillotine | remember, 5 raids a week for each group, 2-3 groups, signups for each person... |
| 09:31.50 | Thunder_Child | can be done...hard as hell but i can see it |
| 09:32.01 | Thrae | Guillotine: What about the purely insane guilds, or group of guilds, that have 5 raids PER DAY? |
| 09:32.08 | Guillotine | exactly |
| 09:32.13 | Thunder_Child | i am talking about our atm |
| 09:32.16 | Thunder_Child | ours* |
| 09:32.31 | Guillotine | ya, but I'm trying to make this as multi purpose as possible |
| 09:32.38 | Thunder_Child | besides, with that many people someone will always be on and can be transfered that way |
| 09:32.39 | Thrae | Guillotine: Actually, that's another point -- my guild uses GEM because we're not big enough to raid by ourselves. So a Shared Chat like I was talking about really is required, at some point. |
| 09:33.22 | Guillotine | and like that people can't add notes like "Will be 20 mins late" |
| 09:33.50 | Guillotine | Thrae: I don't like shared channels. I was thinking you'd just add the guild to a list. Every so often it would /who the guild |
| 09:33.54 | Guillotine | and send 1 person the info |
| 09:34.02 | Guillotine | then that person distributes it to the rest of the guild |
| 09:34.19 | Guillotine | that way we don't use up one of the 10 channel slots |
| 09:34.58 | |FF|Im2good4u | i think if u spam to much over whispers u gety a DC |
| 09:35.29 | Guillotine | Addon channel now works for whispers :) |
| 09:35.33 | Guillotine | and we use throttling of course |
| 09:35.42 | |FF|Im2good4u | but that hard is gonig to find out after u did a /who witch on those guild member does have the addon :P |
| 09:36.09 | Thunder_Child | well, as it stand there is no efficent way to do it...we may be able to petition blizz for an ingame guild callendar |
| 09:36.14 | Thunder_Child | stands* |
| 09:36.19 | Guillotine | go through the list sending each person a message. if they respond, they have the addon |
| 09:36.35 | Guillotine | remember, its not interfering with them since I can use the addon channel |
| 09:36.41 | |FF|Im2good4u | yeh but getting random message is no fun if u dont have the addon :P |
| 09:36.48 | Guillotine | thats my point |
| 09:36.50 | Guillotine | theres addon channel |
| 09:36.53 | Guillotine | not visible |
| 09:36.58 | Guillotine | SendAddonMessage |
| 09:37.06 | |FF|Im2good4u | oH u mean a hidden whisper |
| 09:37.11 | Guillotine | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_SendAddonMessage |
| 09:37.13 | |FF|Im2good4u | oke didnt know that was posable |
| 09:37.15 | Guillotine | of course |
| 09:37.32 | Guillotine | it was just made possible this patch with whispers |
| 09:37.47 | Guillotine | in order to allow addons to circumvent the heavy restrictions put to stop gold spammers |
| 09:39.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm surprised gold spammers haven't found a way to exploit popular addons over the addon channels |
| 09:39.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | they're getting desperate |
| 09:39.56 | Guillotine | haha, have you seen the thing about them killing gnomes in a pattern? |
| 09:40.07 | |FF|Im2good4u | well i think even u as an ui dev doesnt know how to exploid pop addon ons |
| 09:40.20 | Guillotine | well, most of the popular addons have at least *some* security so as to prevent random people from editing stuff |
| 09:40.44 | |FF|Im2good4u | and most pup addon work only over guild channel :P |
| 09:40.54 | |FF|Im2good4u | or raid |
| 09:41.06 | Guillotine | that would be pretty funny though. They exploit GEM to add events to every day entitled "Buy gold cheap at www.ubuygoldkplztnx.com" |
| 09:41.06 | |FF|Im2good4u | but gold spamers are quite limited to general chat or whispers |
| 09:41.19 | |FF|Im2good4u | yeh lol :P |
| 09:41.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | whispers are heavily limited now, though |
| 09:41.33 | zenzelezz | http://i0005.photobucket.com/albums/0005/icanhascheezburger/2007/7/5/9/128281276876250000NEEDZ.jpg o_O |
| 09:41.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | they seem to have given up on them |
| 09:41.37 | Guillotine | ya, but addon whispers aren't |
| 09:41.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | the other day there was one spamming with corpses in IF |
| 09:41.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | like, making the bodies spell out the url |
| 09:41.55 | Guillotine | ya, I read about that XD |
| 09:42.00 | Guillotine | at least its creative |
| 09:42.18 | Arrowmaster | creative but exploiting |
| 09:42.32 | Guillotine | yup |
| 09:43.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | they're getting really desperate |
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| 09:43.47 | |FF|Im2good4u | "As of 2.1.0 whispers sent cross-server in battlefields will be sent as regular whispers and aren't hidden by the addon channel" <- i should do some checkup to see witch whisper addon he had thne spam him some crap so he get bad fps and cant ply :P |
| 09:44.12 | Guillotine | huh? |
| 09:45.54 | zenzelezz | I can never resist casting Beast Lore on druids/shamans in beast forms :-x |
| 09:46.01 | Guillotine | does it work? o.O |
| 09:47.15 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 09:47.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | yep |
| 09:47.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | it tells you their dps and stuff too |
| 09:51.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | boredboredbored |
| 09:51.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | i should go to sleep |
| 09:51.28 | Guillotine | me too :( |
| 09:53.27 | Corrodias | i spent the last hour or so messing with a warlock bot in HFP |
| 09:54.12 | Corrodias | i was going to leave it alone after the first few minutes because it was using a felguard which tagged the mobs before i could, but then it flagged itself by attacking a flagged, patrolling NPC |
| 09:54.19 | Corrodias | we just had a ball after that |
| 09:54.48 | Guillotine | rofl |
| 09:54.54 | Guillotine | the best is to kite them under water |
| 09:55.00 | Guillotine | they keep rezzing under there and drowning |
| 09:55.07 | Guillotine | for hours |
| 09:55.08 | Guillotine | and hours |
| 09:55.16 | Guillotine | until the owner comes back |
| 10:03.19 | Corrodias | lol |
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| 10:04.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | holy crap |
| 10:04.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hzRja9eunY |
| 10:04.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | a robotic arm that accepts multiple commands at once, is two way (i.e. you can feel cold,heat, pressure, "pain" etc) |
| 10:05.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | and not only that, you can attach more than just two, and don't even have to be missing arms to use one :O |
| 10:05.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | dean kamen is a genius :O |
| 10:06.05 | Corrodias | i think the owner came back for this one, because after that last death, it mounted, rode away from the mobs, and then started jumping and mountspecialing at me |
| 10:06.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | those are signs of bad botters |
| 10:07.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | bad botters deserve all the pain they can get |
| 10:07.11 | Corrodias | my flag expired apparently just as it realized i was there |
| 10:07.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | setting ressing to more than 2 is either an idiot or a gold farmer |
| 10:07.39 | Corrodias | she may have been trying to provoke me into reflagging, but her gear was probably broken by that point anyway |
| 10:08.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | and most of the bots nowadays detect when you steal the tag and move on |
| 10:08.27 | Corrodias | eh, not the ones on my realm. |
| 10:08.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm guessing farmer because they just use the bots for long enough for the accounts to get banned |
| 10:08.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | they use them for a bit of extra income |
| 10:08.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | but humans are infinitely better at gold farming than bots |
| 10:08.58 | Corrodias | we have a lot of really stupid, poorly configured bots |
| 10:10.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | good botters don't get reported because they're nearly indistinguishable unless you've botted yourself, and even then it's difficult to tell with some classes |
| 10:10.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | really depends on the AI though |
| 10:10.22 | Corrodias | for this one, i didn't want to scare it off, so i let it res, build up its health and mana, and pull again before i helped the mobs kill it. i think that happened 3 times. |
| 10:10.25 | |FF|Im2good4u | hehe now im reading patch notes carefully "Motes of Shadow now primarily drop from void creatures and have beenremoved from nearly all demons." no wonder iv been farming them for hours lol |
| 10:10.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | the hunter AI on the one i used to use was amazing |
| 10:11.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | it was pretty much indistinguishable from a real player |
| 10:11.09 | Corrodias | i recognized this one because it was running around the area when there were no mobs spawned at the moment |
| 10:11.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | i think i was more interested in watching its intelligence than leveling |
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| 10:11.20 | Corrodias | or that's what made me suspicious |
| 10:11.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | most of them stop and take a break after not finding mobs |
| 10:12.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | sit down and drink, and after long enough, will even log off |
| 10:12.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | because it thinks something's fishy |
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| 10:14.23 | Corrodias | i'd like to see some of the better ones in action |
| 10:14.39 | Corrodias | i may have seen some and not recognized them, but believe me, we have plenty of stupid ones on Eldre'Thalas |
| 10:14.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm sure the one i used to use is pretty sophisticated now |
| 10:14.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | most of the stupid ones are gold farmers just earning extra money |
| 10:14.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | or just stupid people in general |
| 10:15.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | running without any process hiding or anything |
| 10:15.10 | Corrodias | heheh |
| 10:15.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | when i was using it mine actually killed a non-botting warlock in winterspring :X |
| 10:15.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | on my hunter |
| 10:15.58 | Corrodias | nice! |
| 10:16.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | i was like 58 or 59 and he was 60 |
| 10:16.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | i laughed so much |
| 10:16.17 | Corrodias | this one focused on my pet and went splat without any trouble |
| 10:16.32 | Corrodias | i was afraid it might put up a fight, but it really couldn't |
| 10:16.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | but yeah, pre expansion, i could tell you everywhere you could possibly want to go to mess with botters all day |
| 10:17.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah i don't think they can tell the difference between mobs and players |
| 10:17.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | er |
| 10:17.04 | Arrowmaster | i found this one bot the other day when i made a new character |
| 10:17.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | mobs and pets |
| 10:17.19 | Arrowmaster | really stupid AI on a brand new troll hunter |
| 10:17.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | and it'll attack pets, but not players, unless players attack them |
| 10:17.40 | Arrowmaster | level 7 and running around meleeing stuff to death with its fists |
| 10:17.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | but i think you can turn off the pet thing, i can't remember |
| 10:17.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | like i said i haven't used it inforever |
| 10:18.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | hahaha i saw a hunter meleeing stuff with broken gear and no ammo in shimmering flats |
| 10:18.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | then i remember |
| 10:18.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | remembered* |
| 10:18.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | wait, he's a hunter, he could be legit and just REALLY DUMB |
| 10:18.32 | Arrowmaster | level 7 hunter, meleeing level 4 mobs |
| 10:18.33 | Corrodias | this is true |
| 10:18.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | who the hell bots before level 10 |
| 10:18.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's just lazy |
| 10:18.53 | Arrowmaster | i reported it the next day when it was out of the valley of trials and i was 100% sure it was a bot |
| 10:18.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | you can level much faster manually |
| 10:19.09 | Arrowmaster | i kept stealing its tags and kiting the mobs around which made it chase them around and aggro more |
| 10:19.28 | Arrowmaster | i saw it again today and it was up to 28 in the barrens |
| 10:19.29 | Corrodias | on my way levelling through the burning steppes, i found a total of SIX bots all in the same place, northeast of the mountain on the east side of the zone |
| 10:19.30 | Corrodias | all hunters |
| 10:19.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | the ogre mound? |
| 10:20.00 | zenzelezz | when I was farming iron and Mithril (I think it was) in Badlands to level my blacksmithing I saw the same level 54 hunter with his boar killing elite dragons in the east part days on end |
| 10:20.01 | Corrodias | yeah, northeast/east of that. there you get dragon whelps. |
| 10:20.04 | Arrowmaster | well i didnt really see it, i have it on friends list on my hunter alt i just started |
| 10:20.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah, that's a pretty good exp spot |
| 10:20.19 | Corrodias | not when there are 6 of you XD |
| 10:20.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | sometimes i'd go out to winterspring and see 10-20 bots at the frozen lake with the banshees |
| 10:20.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | sometimes i went for a slaughter |
| 10:21.06 | Arrowmaster | will bots attack unknown level mobs? |
| 10:21.14 | Corrodias | reporting them doesn't -seem- to do much good. a GM told me they have a process they have to follow and an investigation, but we keep seeing the same bots around weeks later... |
| 10:21.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | there's generally options |
| 10:21.16 | Arrowmaster | or run away? |
| 10:21.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | like, factions, level range |
| 10:21.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | etc |
| 10:21.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | avoid mobs with this name |
| 10:21.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | avoid players, etc |
| 10:21.33 | Arrowmaster | ah |
| 10:21.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | avoid and stealth from players |
| 10:21.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | etc |
| 10:21.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | and apparently mobs have internal factions or something |
| 10:21.59 | Arrowmaster | would be funny to fuck with bots as a gm by spawning worldbosses ontop of them |
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| 10:22.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | like boars are in faction 34 or whatever, cats are in faction 20, defias are in 30, seemingly |
| 10:22.29 | Corrodias | i'd rather have the account banned, myself |
| 10:22.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | like linked mobs had their own internal faction |
| 10:22.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | GMs mess with bots in other ways |
| 10:22.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | despawning mobs infront of them |
| 10:22.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | granting them full hp while they're drinking |
| 10:23.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | and seeing how they respond |
| 10:23.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | a badly configured bot will pop up instantly at full hp |
| 10:23.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | then go right to killing |
| 10:23.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | a player will sit there drinking for a few, notice he's suddenly full, and get confused |
| 10:23.39 | Corrodias | i swear i've seen a mob despawn once. i was confused. |
| 10:23.47 | Corrodias | or maybe it was an Object |
| 10:24.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | gm's can manually despawn mobs and objects |
| 10:24.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | usually they only do it to make them repop if they bug in evade mode |
| 10:24.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | i had a few do it for me in badlands |
| 10:24.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | there's this ogre that loves to evade |
| 10:25.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | i also found a world drop purple minutes after talking to one :p |
| 10:25.30 | Arrowmaster | i doubt gms are able to mess with drops |
| 10:25.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | i think he slipped me an extra item in a chest because i was so nice and spoke like someone with an iq above 70 |
| 10:25.45 | Arrowmaster | oh chest? |
| 10:26.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | they're not supposed to, but apparently abuse of power is the #1 reason GMs get fired |
| 10:26.12 | Corrodias | lol |
| 10:26.17 | Corrodias | this amuses me, so i lol |
| 10:26.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | chances are it was just luck |
| 10:26.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | but i like to think the guy was being nice in return to me not being a moron |
| 10:27.47 | Corrodias | i don't remember seeing any bots when playing with my druid. it's only when taking my hunter back through, months after outland opened, that i see them frickin' everywhere |
| 10:28.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've never had a GM do the *you hear lighting crackle as Game Master Donaq appears, flying on a golden squirrel* |
| 10:28.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | thing |
| 10:28.13 | Arrowmaster | doubt the botters or gold farmers did the leveling rush |
| 10:28.29 | Corrodias | only one time, for me |
| 10:28.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | and i've talked to tons in my time online |
| 10:28.42 | Arrowmaster | every single one on my server does the RP crap |
| 10:28.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | apparently they've read my logs and my hatred for RPers |
| 10:28.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | they're not really assigned to servers, arrow |
| 10:29.09 | Arrowmaster | well every single one that helps somebody on my server that ive talked to does it |
| 10:29.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | they're assigned to a cluster, which is the battlegroups basically, every morning |
| 10:29.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | is your server an RP one? |
| 10:29.29 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 10:29.30 | Arrowmaster | pvp |
| 10:29.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | ah |
| 10:29.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's weird |
| 10:29.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | i hear people saying that's really common |
| 10:29.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | but i talk to GMs like, at least once or twice a month generally |
| 10:29.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | and have never gotten that |
| 10:30.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | on a forum i go to, an ex-gm posted a Q and A |
| 10:30.18 | Corrodias | when i play my hunter, it's once or twice a day to report bots >_< |
| 10:30.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | he said it's not required and a lot of them go way over the top with the RP opening |
| 10:30.34 | Corrodias | and i try not to repeat! |
| 10:30.51 | Corrodias | oh, i'd like to see that thread |
| 10:30.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't bother reporting anyone but gold spammers |
| 10:31.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | and people going way overboard with cursing in main channels and stuff |
| 10:31.17 | Arrowmaster | i didnt bother reporting gold spammers before 2.1 |
| 10:31.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | nor did i |
| 10:31.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | i just blocked em |
| 10:31.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | after that Q and A i should have though |
| 10:31.53 | Arrowmaster | i play on a release pvp server, theres always excessive cursing |
| 10:31.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | GM would have filled his quota early for the day |
| 10:32.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | there's a difference in like, "fuck, sorry, wrong channel" |
| 10:32.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | and "FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK BUTTS LOL LOLOL BUTTS LOL" over and over in trade |
| 10:32.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | and i'm a guy that laughs at barrens chat most of the time |
| 10:33.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | and tries to turn lfg and trade into barrens chat sometimes, only without the chuck norris junk |
| 10:33.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | just randomly saying "you know, i once defeated an adult kodiak bear in a fist fight once" or something along those lines after a big period of silence |
| 10:34.23 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 10:34.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | or "okay man, you bring the gerbil, i'll bring the lube and pvc pipe, see ya at 7" |
| 10:34.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | "ahhhh crap, mt, sorry" |
| 10:34.55 | Corrodias | :) |
| 10:35.00 | JunkHead-Work | http://www.wowitemcreator.com/create/item.html |
| 10:35.01 | JunkHead-Work | Neat ^ |
| 10:35.25 | Arrowmaster | damn 6:30am, should probably head to bed |
| 10:36.39 | Corrodias | i'm addicted to this shade of aran chant |
| 10:36.50 | Corrodias | i have it looping. i will not move when flame wreath is cast or the raid blows up! |
| 10:37.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | someone said i moved during flame wreath but i know i didn't :( |
| 10:37.07 | Corrodias | we killed him with two people standing today |
| 10:37.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | i did however get hit with an arcane explosion while trying to grab an elemental |
| 10:37.26 | Corrodias | aw :( |
| 10:37.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | twas my first time |
| 10:37.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | i had to swap from dps to tanking mid fight |
| 10:37.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | and still watch his AoE |
| 10:37.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | AND flame wreath |
| 10:37.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | and elementals |
| 10:37.53 | Corrodias | yep |
| 10:38.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | it was too much for my first time fighting him |
| 10:38.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | that and half the raid lives in georgia and we were all getting d/ced like crazy |
| 10:38.32 | Corrodias | if the elementals are not being DPS'd, you just have to hit them a couple of times (after reaching them safely) and go Mangle (Bear) aran in the face |
| 10:38.53 | Corrodias | of course, the healing on you will have threat, too |
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| 10:39.10 | Corrodias | generally, i die after a short time because the healing can't focus enough on me taking two elementals very long |
| 10:39.21 | nevcairiel | since the latest patch the smartest thing is just dpsing the elementals. . they have like no hp anymore |
| 10:39.28 | Corrodias | what, really? |
| 10:39.34 | nevcairiel | like 10k only |
| 10:39.36 | nevcairiel | just kill them |
| 10:39.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah i mangled one and did like |
| 10:39.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | 10% damage |
| 10:39.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | crit for like 1.2k |
| 10:39.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | :[ |
| 10:40.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | i miss my 2.2k mangles |
| 10:40.03 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 10:40.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | and get mortal striked for 4k now :[ |
| 10:40.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | my cat mangles hit for like |
| 10:40.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | 1500-1600 |
| 10:40.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | and shred crits for 2500-3000 depending on armor |
| 10:41.02 | Corrodias | my best mangle crits don't top 1200 |
| 10:41.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | i hit like a damn truck |
| 10:41.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | i have to step down in kara or i get killed |
| 10:41.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | because my damage is really frontloaded |
| 10:41.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | especially if i get a pounce, mangle, shred, shred and all crit |
| 10:41.55 | Corrodias | have you been doing other raids, too? |
| 10:41.56 | zenzelezz | ferals are still pretty cool in PvE... or perhaps more so than before, didn't use to see many |
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| 10:42.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah, blizz is aware of the druid problems in pvp apparently |
| 10:42.20 | Corrodias | i don't think kara has that many upgrades for me, but it sounds like my damage is significantly lower than yours |
| 10:42.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | The Druid class is somewhat under-represented in the Arenas, which there of course are various reasons for. The developers are looking into the Druids overall performance in the Arenas, so I would say that it is too soon to give up on your Druid just yet. :-) |
| 10:42.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | i maxed out my dps, corr |
| 10:42.46 | Corrodias | i don't understand what you mean |
| 10:42.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | so i have pretty high damage without raiding yet and shit for hp |
| 10:43.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | probably capped out my damage without raiding much |
| 10:43.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | though i do have the edgewalker longboots |
| 10:43.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | i had ferocious bite crit for 4000 on the dot the other day |
| 10:44.07 | Corrodias | i wonder what gear you have for cat form |
| 10:44.16 | Corrodias | again, my best FB is 3200 |
| 10:44.31 | Corrodias | well, depending on buffs, 3500 |
| 10:44.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | because i got feared and ran back in to a 5 sundered mob, popped both trinkets, and had 100 energy :p |
| 10:44.47 | Corrodias | oh |
| 10:44.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | it was like, my abolute best |
| 10:44.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | well |
| 10:45.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | minus raid buffs |
| 10:45.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | i only had battle shout and mark of the wild |
| 10:46.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | my gear's not all that great, but i hit like a damn truck |
| 10:46.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | if i get hit i go down FAST though |
| 10:47.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Llane&n=Raybeez |
| 10:47.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | corr^ |
| 10:47.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | oops |
| 10:47.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | forgot to go into cat |
| 10:47.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | O_o |
| 10:48.18 | JunkHead-Work | http://www.wowitemcreator.com/view/62713/Summon_Retard.html <-- Wow |
| 10:48.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | /clap |
| 10:49.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | the search on that wont work for me |
| 10:49.53 | Corrodias | k |
| 10:49.56 | JunkHead-Work | I haven't tried the search. |
| 10:50.03 | Corrodias | i want those shoulders, but i can't get them any more :( |
| 10:50.32 | JunkHead-Work | http://www.wowitemcreator.com/view/62511/Italian_BMT_From_SUBWAY.html <-- very creative |
| 10:51.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | corr, they're crap for stam :O |
| 10:51.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | if you notice i have a few items that absolutely eat the item budget |
| 10:51.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | because i'm wasting it on attack power and crit rating when i could have str and agi instead |
| 10:52.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | but we're not properly itemized so we have to waste budget to get equivalent dps :[ |
| 10:52.32 | Corrodias | ah |
| 10:52.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | corr: profile is updated |
| 10:53.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Llane&n=Raybeez |
| 10:53.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | i need better gems |
| 10:53.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | but i've been lazy |
| 10:53.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | and i'm acting like a goblin with my money |
| 10:54.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | i also need a better staff |
| 10:54.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | gotta convince the guild to get illhoof on farm |
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| 10:55.18 | Corrodias | okay, my attack power and crit chance are better with raid buffs than your numbers there are... so i must not be too far behind in damage if i make judicious use of trinkets |
| 10:55.40 | Corrodias | i have my tentacle staff, which really helped over the fleshling simulation staff i had before it |
| 10:56.15 | foxlit | get the dreamer staff from botanica? |
| 10:56.47 | foxlit | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28325 |
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| 10:58.23 | Corrodias | no, illhoof's staff |
| 10:58.32 | Corrodias | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28658 |
| 10:59.41 | foxlit | Can't get that without killing Illhoof, which seems to be Rabies' problem. |
| 10:59.54 | Corrodias | indeed |
| 11:00.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | well, i had to take a couple weeks off wow |
| 11:00.26 | foxlit | Whereas botanica is easily accessible :) |
| 11:00.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | well, had to, as in decided to spend more time with rl friends |
| 11:00.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've done botanica like 10 times and no staff |
| 11:00.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | i think illhoof will be easier |
| 11:00.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | we just need to TRY him |
| 11:01.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | hell, we'll get prince in a couple weeks, i don't think illhoof is nearly as hard |
| 11:01.53 | Corrodias | it's probably necessary to have a warlock, and beneficial to have one with nether protection, some talent i think? |
| 11:02.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | we usually have one of every class |
| 11:02.16 | Matrix110 | just a random warlock with 1000+ spell damage is enough |
| 11:02.22 | Corrodias | we manged to get him this week with only one death, chains-induced, rebirth-corrected |
| 11:02.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | two priests and/or 2-3 druids sometimes |
| 11:02.35 | Matrix110 | Give the Warlock Dampen Magic |
| 11:02.41 | Matrix110 | And its ez-mode |
| 11:02.59 | Matrix110 | dps should have a /tar demonic macro if they are to stupid to click them fast enough |
| 11:02.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | well, no shamans |
| 11:03.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | wait, yeah we usually have a shaman |
| 11:03.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | psocques |
| 11:03.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | he's elemental and kicks so much ass |
| 11:03.22 | Corrodias | the place is a mess of imps, bosses, and players |
| 11:03.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | the dps meters are funny as hell |
| 11:03.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's like |
| 11:03.38 | Corrodias | it's impossible to click on them sometimes. our raid leaders demand a macro be made and placed on the bars. |
| 11:03.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | Rogue |
| 11:04.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | Rogue, Moonkin, Shaman, Me, Mage/Lock, Hunter |
| 11:04.23 | Corrodias | the week we downed the prince, i was swimming in buffs |
| 11:04.39 | Corrodias | the other group had 3 paladins and my group had 2 shamans, a rogue, myself, and a MM hunter |
| 11:04.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | my guild doesn't demand anything, it's pretty great :x |
| 11:05.05 | Corrodias | my AP reached 3800 on one fight and would have been 4000 if i had popped my Core trinket |
| 11:05.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | they're like, "raybeez, don't ever respec, you do a ton of dps, especially considering we have two warriors, a hunter, and a rogue getting more dps off you" |
| 11:05.42 | Corrodias | it's just for that fight. if you don't have it macroed, it can happen that you are unable to click on them and then we'd have to bitch at people for not attacking the chains |
| 11:06.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | problem with my dps is it's really frontloaded |
| 11:06.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | so i have to back off at the beginning which really brings my average down |
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| 11:18.36 | Kaso | Ok, question about textures. |
| 11:19.21 | Kaso | I have a 10 textures in my directory, not of the are directly referenced in the code, but instead i call SetTexture with a random one of the names dynamically when i needed |
| 11:19.26 | Kaso | i need |
| 11:19.37 | Kaso | are all the textures loaded into memory? |
| 11:24.04 | Corrodias | anyone have a recommendation for an addon to feed my pet for me? :P |
| 11:24.35 | Punkie` | it will never be automatic |
| 11:24.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | feed-o-matic is about as automatic as you can get |
| 11:25.02 | Corrodias | well, to choose decent food so i'm not feeding it my vendor food when there's stuff that i can't eat but he can in my bag? |
| 11:25.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.fizzwidget.com/ |
| 11:25.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | hunter helper and feedomatic are both awesome |
| 11:25.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | are goblins and night elves genetically compatible |
| 11:26.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | because if so i want to have gazmik's baby |
| 11:26.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | ~seen gazmik |
| 11:26.55 | purl | gazmik <n=gazmik@74.95.38.206> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowwiki, 26d 14h 57m 56s ago, saying: 'ah, good to know the problem's not on my end. been futzing with cookie settings to no avail.'. |
| 11:28.36 | wereHamster | can I safely assume UnitExists(arg1) in an UNIT_AURA event? |
| 11:29.03 | Kaso | i think thats pretty safe to assume |
| 11:29.29 | wereHamster | 13:24 < wereHamster> can I safely assume UnitExists(arg1) in an UNIT_AURA event? |
| 11:29.32 | wereHamster | 13:24 < Kaso> i think thats pretty safe to assume |
| 11:29.38 | wereHamster | oops, sorry |
| 11:29.50 | Pac2722 | hey all has any1 ever been hit with a keylogger? |
| 11:30.19 | Kaso | maybe one time in a million when you're getting events from unknown entities due to network problems, but nothing you should worry about |
| 11:30.31 | Kaso | Pac2722, i doubt it, but is there anything we can help you with anyway? |
| 11:30.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | nope, i'm paranoid about my internet usage |
| 11:31.12 | foxlit | http://localhost/evil/keylogger.exe, gogo |
| 11:31.35 | Pac2722 | Kaso no theres not just like to know if any1 els was ever hit with 1 |
| 11:32.13 | Corrodias | what happened to your keyboard, boy? |
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| 11:33.02 | Kaso | Pac2722, perhaps this will sound a little hash, but, hey, the people in this channel tend to be Extremely compitent, to experts with computers, and people like that are ususally smart enough to avoid keyloggers. |
| 11:33.39 | Corrodias | as far as i know, i haven't seen any myself |
| 11:36.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | foxlit you forgot the |
| 11:36.13 | Pac2722 | Kaso: i never new about them it last week well i new of them but never seen 1 tho till last week wen thay got my accounts got1 back this week & im still waiting for1 more |
| 11:36.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | "click here 4 sex girl" |
| 11:37.20 | Corrodias | i could have sworn blizzard was trying to make people aware of those things |
| 11:37.39 | Corrodias | every day i talk to a GM, i get a reminder in my mail box about keyloggers |
| 11:37.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | you'd be surprised corr :[ |
| 11:37.58 | Corrodias | i don't suppose it shows up very often in the game otherwise, though |
| 11:39.02 | wereHamster | maybe they should ass a warning to the tips of the days |
| 11:39.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | if you haven't removed the keylogger yet, he's reading everything you type right now, Pac2722 |
| 11:39.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | including credit card numbers, phone numbers, passwords, addresses, everything |
| 11:40.03 | Corrodias | not much good getting your account back if you don't remove the keyloggers, heheh |
| 11:42.10 | Matrix110 | hmm new Ludwig eats memory like crazy Oo |
| 11:42.20 | Corrodias | what's ludwig? |
| 11:42.28 | Matrix110 | Lootlink type of Addon |
| 11:42.49 | Kaso | why do people both with lootlink addons nowadays, it really befuddles me |
| 11:42.52 | Corrodias | i've been using wowhead so much that i haven't even touched lootlink in ... months, i think |
| 11:43.14 | Kaso | Wowhead + itemmagic (a 3kb addon) gives you all your linking needs |
| 11:43.27 | Corrodias | i might as well disable it and i'd barely know the difference. the only major thing i use it for is linking items i don't have on me by typing [the name] |
| 11:43.31 | Matrix110 | Ludwig normally uses <100kb thats why i like it:P |
| 11:43.47 | Matrix110 | And i search most of the time on wowhead aswell |
| 11:44.02 | Matrix110 | but well i like being able to link the items aswell:P |
| 11:45.13 | Kaso | hence item magic is the key |
| 11:45.23 | Kaso | type in the itemid, and it makes you a link |
| 11:45.24 | Kaso | eays |
| 11:45.47 | Matrix110 | and to search for your Tier5 items with /LW Tirisfal click the link you want is easier than alttab open wowhead search for tirisfal then click the item you want |
| 11:46.33 | Kaso | So old ludwing used around 100kb, what is it using now to warrent "like crazy" |
| 11:46.44 | Matrix110 | 5mb |
| 11:46.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | i use linkerater |
| 11:47.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | linkerator's using 2 mb now after scanning the AH :o |
| 11:47.24 | Kaso | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v87/lntkaos/memory.jpg |
| 11:47.34 | Kaso | memory doesnt really do much to performance |
| 11:47.41 | Matrix110 | I know |
| 11:47.42 | Matrix110 | still:P |
| 11:47.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | well, unless you start paging, kaso |
| 11:48.07 | Kaso | true |
| 11:48.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | and it being forced to dump stuff to virtual memory moreso than normal |
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| 11:49.15 | Matrix110 | My Auctioneer uses more memory than my whole other mods(over 100) |
| 11:49.36 | Matrix110 | But well only enabled when iam actually in the AH |
| 11:49.38 | Kaso | well auctioneer isnt made to be on all the time so thats ok |
| 11:49.42 | Matrix110 | ye |
| 11:50.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | my auc is only used on an alt |
| 11:50.29 | zenzelezz | over 100 mods or megabytes? |
| 11:50.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | i mail everything to an alt before AHing it |
| 11:50.44 | Matrix110 | over 100mods |
| 11:50.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | mine uses about 30-40, up to 60 or so right after scanning |
| 11:50.54 | Matrix110 | Auctioneer cant use over 100mb i think:P |
| 11:50.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | till i GC |
| 11:51.28 | Matrix110 | Atleast if the usage is proportional to the size of the DB |
| 11:51.37 | Matrix110 | Mine is at 45% orso |
| 11:51.57 | Matrix110 | while scanning 40mbs top |
| 11:54.45 | Corrodias | i wish i had another level 70 druid |
| 11:54.48 | Corrodias | i want to heeeeal |
| 11:55.24 | Corrodias | and i don't want to use any other class to do it. >:/ |
| 11:55.31 | Kaso | Your current one has it's healing spells disabled? |
| 11:55.46 | Corrodias | my current one is specced for tanking and melee dps and cannot heal in a raid |
| 11:56.06 | Corrodias | also: healing sucks without the talents due to threat, increased time, and low effectiveness |
| 11:56.08 | Kaso | i heard a rumor once that people could respec |
| 11:56.21 | Corrodias | i heard that you don't get the good healing gear when you're not a healer |
| 11:56.58 | Corrodias | actually, my gear isn't terrible, but i'm not excited about footing a multi-hundreds-of-gold bill every week for switching on a whim |
| 11:57.20 | Corrodias | well, assuming i felt like changing a few times in a week |
| 11:57.43 | Pac2722 | Mr_rabies2: i fized it now |
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| 11:57.59 | Pac2722 | fixed* |
| 12:06.15 | Corrodias | i gotta go fiz myself up for bed now |
| 12:06.30 | Corrodias | good day to you all! sleep becons. |
| 12:06.32 | Corrodias | beckons. |
| 12:06.44 | Nom-_ | hmmm...anyone seen problems with OneBag where all the bag slots get greyed out and you can't adjust them? |
| 12:10.08 | wereHamster | is UNIT_SPELLCAST_SUCCEEDED fired before UNIT_SPELLMISS is the spell misses or is resisted? |
| 12:13.11 | foxlit | So, WoW on XP on MacBook, or WoW on OSX on MacBook? :) |
| 12:23.30 | Kaso | Wow on Linux on MacBook! |
| 12:24.30 | foxlit | Linsux |
| 12:27.29 | [dRaCo] | wereHamster: should be, since the spell has been casted successfully |
| 13:24.55 | sag_ich_nicht | someone help me out and tell me if i should use libram of zeal or libram of righteous power D: |
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| 17:36.15 | Kaso | Orbo has been delayed indefinetly due to techincal issues! Oh dear me who could have seen this coming. |
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| 17:40.22 | wereHamster | Orbo? |
| 17:41.22 | Kaso | Steorn perpetual motion machine of course! |
| 17:41.44 | cogwheel | anyone here know how to reset the slash command cache? (wanted to ask before digging through chatframe.lua) |
| 17:42.25 | Thrae | cogwheel: Well you edit the slash command list by adding it to a table, so you could just reset the table. |
| 17:42.28 | wereHamster | the thing that was supposed to be presented a few day ago? |
| 17:42.36 | Kaso | the cache is just a table, set the whole thing to {} or the entry you want to nil |
| 17:42.49 | cogwheel | i'm worried that'll cause taint... |
| 17:43.08 | Kaso | theres a local cache for secure slashes |
| 17:43.11 | Kaso | seperate |
| 17:43.17 | cogwheel | ok |
| 17:43.28 | Kaso | also there is a seperate cache for chat slashes |
| 17:44.47 | cogwheel | ok... found it... thanks |
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| 17:55.49 | Cide | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=174829183&sid=1 |
| 17:56.46 | Thrae | Cide: Your mod, or the addon is already Ace? |
| 17:56.59 | Cide | no, no |
| 18:00.39 | Arrowmaster | ClassTimers is ace |
| 18:00.53 | Thrae | Yeah, that's what I thought :D |
| 18:01.00 | Thrae | But...it doesn't have "Ace" in its name! |
| 18:02.01 | Cide | I didn't know it was, but that further proves how ridiculous that is |
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| 18:22.41 | Kirkburn | Cide, a valid time to link http://www.wowace.com/wiki/What_is_Ace ? |
| 18:22.43 | Kaso | Someone should ask for a wowace FrameXML |
| 18:23.04 | Kirkburn | 20 minutes without talking and we post 2 seconds apart ... |
| 18:23.11 | Kaso | hehe |
| 18:23.22 | Kaso | the great mind paradox. |
| 18:23.46 | Kirkburn | :) Srsly, someone link that article - educate that user |
| 18:23.55 | Kaso | Forums threads can go on for pages, and pages, then two people reply to an earlier point near instanctly |
| 18:24.41 | Kirkburn | Lol, I just noticed that means WowAce is back up (and my article survived!) |
| 18:25.00 | Kaso | it was down? |
| 18:25.40 | Mikk | goblins ate the wiki db |
| 18:25.41 | Kirkburn | Severly |
| 18:25.44 | Kirkburn | Read http://www.wowace.com/wiki/Main_Page |
| 18:26.50 | Kaso | I like the US UI forums thread saying that ntoskrnl and rundll32 are keyloggers |
| 18:27.05 | Kaso | I think the US forums get a class of retards that we cant quite match on EU. |
| 18:27.11 | Kaso | All our retards seem to be boring |
| 18:28.09 | Cide | Kirkburn: sadly, I doubt it'd help |
| 18:28.26 | Kaso | How did he simultatously lose the DB and all backups? |
| 18:28.48 | Kaso | unless they were like, on the same machine? |
| 18:33.03 | Cairenn|afk | Kaelten: you lost both the db AND the backups for your wiki? ugh |
| 18:33.37 | Kaelten | it was a long night |
| 18:33.43 | Cairenn|afk | I'll just bet |
| 18:33.48 | Cairenn|afk | how the hell did you manage that? |
| 18:34.25 | Kaelten | typed a command int he wrong console |
| 18:34.36 | Kaelten | the backups being fubared was just a bonus |
| 18:34.49 | Cairenn|afk | honestly, if it weren't for "bad", you wouldn't have any luck at all |
| 18:35.11 | Cairenn|afk | you need to do some serious work on protecting your stuff from yourself, dear |
| 18:35.36 | Kaelten | ya, I've already got plans started |
| 18:36.24 | Cairenn|afk | lol, have someone else take it over to protect it from you? *teases Kael* |
| 18:36.40 | Kaelten | :P |
| 18:40.04 | Kaso | i love it when people incorrectly correct people's syntax |
| 18:40.10 | Cairenn|afk | lol |
| 18:40.22 | Kaso | Slikkepinden: Just needed a () around the if statement but thank you Mesana ;) |
| 18:40.37 | Kaso | Someone has been programming too much java and not enough lua! |
| 18:41.02 | Kaso | (or one of the other zillion langauges that force () around if statements) |
| 18:43.07 | Maldivia | Ok, the UNIT_NAME_UPDATE events are a bit insane... I've just entered an AV, and the events has already fired 541 times |
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| 18:44.07 | Mikk | Maldivia: Yes. That'd be a forceful hint not to attach too much code to that event :P |
| 18:44.56 | Kaso | Why does it fire so much, are they just randomly firing whenever a unit's name "could have" changed or something? |
| 18:45.20 | Mikk | it'll fire when you mouse over stuff for instance |
| 18:45.27 | Mikk | telling you that the name of your mouseover unit has changed |
| 18:45.32 | Kaso | ooh |
| 18:45.38 | Maldivia | Mikk: the secure raid headesr does a complete update everytime it fires |
| 18:45.48 | Mikk | joy |
| 18:46.18 | Maldivia | which is one of the reasons for the massive lag when entering raids/BGs with raids UIs |
| 18:46.34 | Kaso | i see! it fires when a unitID now referes to another unit? not that unit having its name changed (like enraged whatever to just whatever like you sometime see) |
| 18:46.45 | Mikk | yeah |
| 18:46.56 | Mikk | it'll mostly be from target switching and mousing over units |
| 18:47.25 | Kaso | well that'd be a pain, i assume it doesnt propogate down unitIDtargettargettarget etc |
| 18:47.30 | Mikk | dunno if it'll fire from party1target changing etc |
| 18:48.13 | Kaso | i surely must not, otherwise that'd be just too crazy |
| 18:48.44 | Maldivia | afaik, if doesn't fire on mouseover and target units |
| 18:50.52 | Maldivia | but still think it's abit insane that it fires more than 500 times just for joining and zoning into an AV |
| 18:51.56 | Kaso | AV always was pretty much the extreme of performance test in wow |
| 18:52.03 | Kaso | 80 man combat zone. |
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| 19:10.47 | wereHamster | Kaelten, WAS TRAC LOST, TOO? |
| 19:10.55 | wereHamster | sry for capslock |
| 19:10.56 | Kaelten | no |
| 19:10.58 | Kaelten | just the wiki |
| 19:11.02 | Kaelten | everything else is ifne |
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| 19:59.56 | Maldivia | hmm, anyone knows, if currently there's a bug with tooltips and item/enchant links, not resetting correcly ? |
| 20:02.32 | Maldivia | ok, there is - how funny :) |
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| 20:07.22 | Maldivia | is this a known issue? not listed on the bugs forum or UI? |
| 20:21.39 | zenzelezz | Maldivia: not resetting how; showing "extra info"? |
| 20:23.22 | Maldivia | zenzelezz: try the following: |
| 20:23.27 | Maldivia | ./run SetItemRef("item:32494:3002:2970:2765:0:0:0:0") |
| 20:23.31 | Maldivia | ./run SetItemRef("enchant:29688") |
| 20:24.29 | zenzelezz | could just answer :-p I know some item links, particularly tradeskill links, seem to contain extra, incorrect info at times |
| 20:25.16 | Maldivia | well, it's not fixed on the PTR, so could you make a post about it or something ? |
| 20:25.27 | zenzelezz | nope, I'm EU |
| 20:25.30 | Maldivia | grr |
| 20:25.32 | Maldivia | :) |
| 20:27.44 | Maldivia | guess I'll have to find someone else to post it for me then, but everyone seems to be afk |
| 20:27.56 | Maldivia | (or ignoring me, that could be a possibility aswell :) |
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| 20:38.51 | Corrodias | i'm in the US |
| 20:39.47 | Corrodias | since i don't totally understand this issue, i'll just post your chat there |
| 20:39.59 | Corrodias | which forum? UI? |
| 20:41.43 | Maldivia | just a sec, I'll pastey it |
| 20:43.56 | Maldivia | Corrodias: http://wowi.pastey.net/70449 |
| 20:45.45 | Corrodias | so which forum |
| 20:45.50 | Maldivia | and yeah, UI would probably be the best |
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| 20:51.20 | Corrodias | query: why can't you post? |
| 20:51.30 | Corrodias | is there no EU version of the UI forum? |
| 20:53.37 | Maldivia | there are UI forums on the EU boards, but putting such information there would be a waste of time |
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| 20:54.14 | Corrodias | ah. ok, http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=174539260 |
| 20:54.43 | Maldivia | THanks :) |
| 20:56.19 | Maldivia | the US UI forum is blessed with an active developer, something that can't really be said about the EU forum... or any of the others for that matter |
| 20:56.32 | Maldivia | Blizzard developer, that is |
| 20:56.44 | Corrodias | i've felt the pain of the wasteland that is the Hunter class forum |
| 20:57.02 | Corrodias | the only blizzard post i could find was one in a thread that was moved from another forum |
| 20:57.18 | Maldivia | heh |
| 20:57.38 | Maldivia | I think the only blue post on the EU UI forums are a "welcome to the UI forums" post |
| 20:57.44 | Corrodias | hahah |
| 20:58.00 | Maldivia | and a "very practical information, I'll sticky that" |
| 21:00.51 | Corrodias | wasn't somebody going to make a FlightHUD addon? |
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| 21:06.56 | AnduinLothar | Anyone have a german client? |
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| 22:03.07 | zenzelezz | bah, TV is trying to make me watch LotR |
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| 22:08.00 | Shirik | anyone here have any experience with those cellular internet cards? |
| 22:11.57 | Kaso___ | Dear me, i seem to have picked up alot of underscores |
| 22:12.45 | Kaso | Much better! |
| 22:13.16 | Shirik__________ | I need a name for my irc client :P |
| 22:13.34 | zenzelezz | AceIRC |
| 22:13.36 | Kaso | EyeAreSee |
| 22:13.51 | Shirik__________ | I also need a language to code it in |
| 22:14.04 | Kaso | brainfuck |
| 22:14.09 | Kaso | or lolcode |
| 22:14.11 | Shirik__________ | uh |
| 22:14.11 | Shirik__________ | no |
| 22:14.22 | zenzelezz | C++ obviously |
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| 22:14.46 | Shirik | I like C++ but I would have to do it with Qt I guess |
| 22:14.52 | Shirik | I'm trying to move away from MFC/Win32 APIs |
| 22:15.18 | zenzelezz | there's always wxWidgets if you don't like Qt |
| 22:15.51 | Shirik | I like Qt I just don't now it |
| 22:15.52 | Shirik | know* |
| 22:16.51 | nevcairiel | use C#, it abstracts the win32 api for you :P |
| 22:17.02 | Shirik | You can go die now |
| 22:17.13 | Shirik | C# is made by the devil |
| 22:17.19 | nevcairiel | its not that bad language.. |
| 22:17.20 | Shirik | satan took C++ and crapped on it |
| 22:17.24 | Shirik | and out came C# |
| 22:17.44 | cogwheel | i actually like C# |
| 22:17.46 | Shirik | actually, I make it sound a lot worse than it actually is |
| 22:17.53 | Shirik | but still, I just don't like it =P |
| 22:17.56 | nevcairiel | (i can recommend looking into Qt - its really good) |
| 22:18.01 | cogwheel | C# 2.0 is definitely better than C# 1.1 though |
| 22:18.17 | Shirik | I'm going into Qt for some other things too for sure |
| 22:18.22 | Shirik | but I just don't know it yet >< |
| 22:18.51 | Shirik | so nobody knows about them wireless cards hm :( |
| 22:19.20 | Mikk | tbh you'll want to specify which country (& possibly region) before anyone can give you remotely useful info |
| 22:19.23 | cogwheel | my laptop is my server atm... so i don't really have a use for one of those :P |
| 22:19.56 | Shirik | I didn't even think they existed outside the US tbh |
| 22:20.34 | Mikk | they exist and work wonderfully in swedn |
| 22:20.42 | Mikk | cheap as hell too |
| 22:20.57 | Mikk | all over the country in fact |
| 22:21.11 | Mikk | but that's a function of our wireless operators |
| 22:21.16 | Mikk | wireless in the US is a jungle |
| 22:21.29 | Mikk | buy the wrong phone and it won't work in half the country |
| 22:21.30 | Mikk | yay |
| 22:21.35 | Shirik | heh |
| 22:21.48 | Shirik | well I know the service supposedly exists at 700-1400kbps stable, 2mbps bursts |
| 22:22.04 | Shirik | I just don't know how high quality the service is, and I need to do a 2 year contract to get it |
| 22:22.30 | Mikk | idd. and my experiences are useless to you :P |
| 22:23.07 | zenzelezz | the solution is obvious, stay at home |
| 22:23.22 | Shirik | I am at home |
| 22:23.30 | Shirik | this "home" only has dialup, and I have no way of changing that fact |
| 22:23.32 | zenzelezz | then why do you need wireless? |
| 22:23.37 | zenzelezz | hm |
| 22:24.06 | Shirik | uh |
| 22:24.08 | Shirik | to change that |
| 22:24.09 | Shirik | ? |
| 22:24.33 | zenzelezz | I typed my question while you typed your info; you just hit enter before mine passed through |
| 22:25.02 | Shirik | heh |
| 22:25.09 | Shirik | I probably hit enter 15 seconds before you :P |
| 22:25.13 | Shirik | it just took that long to reach you |
| 22:25.27 | zenzelezz | :-p |
| 22:28.09 | zenzelezz | I never thought I'd say this, but I've come to like the Aldor tabard |
| 22:28.22 | foxlit | Does WoW like symlinked addons directory? |
| 22:28.35 | Shirik | lol |
| 22:28.45 | foxlit | Or will it say "zomgwtfbbq, stop doing that!" |
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| 22:30.03 | Shirik | ha |
| 22:30.11 | Shirik | good question |
| 22:32.15 | cogwheel | foxlit: are you running under Wine? |
| 22:32.22 | foxlit | No |
| 22:32.33 | foxlit | mac native. |
| 22:32.51 | cogwheel | ah... i suppose it wouldn't mind... |
| 22:33.10 | foxlit | What to do with WTF is a more interesting question |
| 22:47.06 | foxlit | Haha, the repatch proccess is hilarious |
| 22:47.34 | foxlit | I seem to have downloaded the non-BC version of wow base, updated it to 2.1.2, then installed BC |
| 22:47.57 | foxlit | So now it's reapplying all of the patches it downloaded, in a weird launcher -> downloader -> patcher -> launcher -> ... cycle |
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| 22:53.04 | foxlit | Hm, it doesn't mind symlinks |
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| 23:14.12 | Kirkburn|afk | Another EU CM is leaving ... Ommra has now left the building :( |
| 23:14.20 | zenzelezz | yup |
| 23:15.23 | Kirkburn|afk | It's a man's man's world, I guess |
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| 23:19.23 | Guillotine | haha. I just figured out a way to send external data into WoW ^_^ |
| 23:19.28 | Guillotine | kind of annoying though |
| 23:21.31 | Guillotine | though I'm sure programatically changing your system time to send data could cause some issues... |
| 23:24.01 | foxlit | Welcome to two weeks ago :) |
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