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| 00:10.22 | foxlit | Hm, I wonder how long until hardware manufacturers add a proper trackball to mainstream mice to handle scrolling |
| 00:11.22 | foxlit | This sideways scroll by tilting the wheel innovation is barely usable |
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| 00:42.26 | Thelyna | http://www.joystiq.com/2007/07/04/world-of-warcraft-relationship-ends-in-arrest/ ... whoops? |
| 00:44.12 | Wobwork | interesting =P |
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| 00:45.38 | Thelyna | moral of the story: be careful with those e-relationships |
| 00:47.49 | foxlit | old? |
| 00:49.33 | Wobwork | july 1st? |
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| 01:11.55 | AnduinLothar | Need an opinnion. Which is better for 2h dps: http://www.thottbot.com/i32409 or http://www.thottbot.com/i32410 ? |
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| 01:13.24 | AnduinLothar | JoshBorke would know! |
| 01:13.26 | AnduinLothar | Need an opinnion. Which is better for 2h dps: http://www.thottbot.com/i32409 or http://www.thottbot.com/i32410 ? |
| 01:13.28 | Wobwork | A possible proc as opposed to a permanant increase? |
| 01:13.57 | AnduinLothar | well assume 20-25% crit |
| 01:14.00 | AnduinLothar | pve dps |
| 01:14.07 | JoshBorke | AnduinLothar: quit n00bing |
| 01:14.20 | AnduinLothar | meh? |
| 01:14.34 | Wobwork | 1% procrate |
| 01:14.46 | AnduinLothar | it's basiclt i proc per minute |
| 01:14.52 | AnduinLothar | basicly 1ppm |
| 01:15.01 | Guillotine | getfenv()["Some".."Var"] is faster and more efficient than getglobal("Some".."Var"), right? |
| 01:15.12 | Cide | Guillotine: yes |
| 01:15.13 | AnduinLothar | no |
| 01:15.15 | Cide | err, no |
| 01:15.24 | Cide | should be about the same |
| 01:15.26 | AnduinLothar | getfenv() is a function call |
| 01:15.30 | Cide | _G["Some".."Var"] is faster |
| 01:15.35 | Guillotine | ah, alright |
| 01:15.41 | JoshBorke | AnduinLothar: i'm leaning towards the static +12 agi one |
| 01:15.55 | Cide | >>> debugprofilestop() |
| 01:15.56 | Cide | Cide: [string "debugprofilestop()"]:1: attempt to call global 'debugprofilestop' (a nil value) |
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| 01:16.05 | Wobwork | AnduinLothar: What class? |
| 01:16.10 | JoshBorke | paladin |
| 01:16.11 | AnduinLothar | ret pally |
| 01:16.15 | Wobwork | heeh |
| 01:16.16 | JoshBorke | retn00b |
| 01:16.18 | JoshBorke | like i said ;-P |
| 01:16.24 | Wobwork | I should have guessed, but I didnt' want to assume |
| 01:16.52 | Cide | >>> local time, x = os.time(); local start = time(); for i = 1, 10^6, 1 do x = getfenv()["ma".."th"] end return time()-start |
| 01:16.52 | Cide | Cide: [string "local time, x = os.time(); local start = ti..."]:1: attempt to call local 'time' (a number value) |
| 01:16.58 | JoshBorke | AnduinLothar: you're looking at 6 seconds per minute with increased attack speed. you'll only get 1-2 extra swings in that time |
| 01:17.04 | Cide | >>> local time, x = os.time; local start = time(); for i = 1, 10^6, 1 do x = getfenv()["ma".."th"] end return time()-start |
| 01:17.05 | Cide | Cide: 1 |
| 01:17.14 | JoshBorke | imo |
| 01:17.15 | Cide | >>> local time, x = os.clock; local start = time(); for i = 1, 10^6, 1 do x = getfenv()["ma".."th"] end return time()-start |
| 01:17.16 | Cide | Cide: 1.191 |
| 01:17.27 | Cide | >>> local time, x = os.clock; local start = time(); for i = 1, 10^6, 1 do x = getglobal("ma".."th") end return time()-start |
| 01:17.28 | Cide | Cide: 1.298 |
| 01:17.48 | Wobwork | os.time is faster? |
| 01:18.16 | Cide | os.time doesn't have the same precision as os.clock |
| 01:18.18 | JoshBorke | i think cide proved that it doesn't REALLY matter |
| 01:18.20 | AnduinLothar | ok. but i also have http://thottbot.com/i28288 and i'm trying to get http://thottbot.com/i28034 |
| 01:18.37 | AnduinLothar | so i can stack with the use one |
| 01:18.44 | Cide | >>> for i = 1, 10^6, 1 do math.cos(math.pi*2/3) end return os.time(), os.clock() |
| 01:18.45 | Cide | Cide: 1184030322, 1.223 |
| 01:18.46 | Wobwork | oh man |
| 01:18.58 | Cide | >>> local start = os.time(); for i = 1, 10^6, 1 do math.cos(math.pi*2/3) end return os.time()-start, os.clock() |
| 01:19.01 | Cide | Cide: 1, 1.2 |
| 01:19.01 | Wobwork | one of the pallies rolled on the abacus on one of my friend's runs |
| 01:19.05 | Wobwork | over two hunters |
| 01:19.11 | AnduinLothar | so |
| 01:19.14 | Wobwork | There was much wailing and gnashing of teeth |
| 01:19.15 | AnduinLothar | it's hot pally dps |
| 01:19.29 | Wobwork | I think he was a healbot pally |
| 01:19.30 | AnduinLothar | tell your hunters to stop QQing |
| 01:19.35 | AnduinLothar | erg |
| 01:19.39 | AnduinLothar | well int hat case |
| 01:19.47 | JoshBorke | hm, so you're thinking you'll get something like reckoning whenever the meta gem procs? |
| 01:19.53 | AnduinLothar | meh. i have to maintain gear for all specs |
| 01:20.04 | AnduinLothar | something liek that josh |
| 01:20.19 | AnduinLothar | and coupled with windfury in raids.. |
| 01:20.30 | JoshBorke | i didn't think of the WF |
| 01:20.35 | JoshBorke | friggin shaman |
| 01:20.49 | AnduinLothar | windfury ups my dps like 150 |
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| 01:21.33 | JoshBorke | what's your crit %? |
| 01:21.40 | AnduinLothar | i do liek that the other one has agil tho |
| 01:21.55 | AnduinLothar | 21.5 unbuffed |
| 01:21.58 | AnduinLothar | % |
| 01:22.08 | JoshBorke | because if you have a higher crit %, then i'd lean more toward the agi+larger crit |
| 01:22.12 | AnduinLothar | ya |
| 01:22.23 | JoshBorke | so i think long run the agi is better |
| 01:22.24 | AnduinLothar | 1350 atp, 230 spell dmg |
| 01:24.13 | JoshBorke | short run you'll see an increase in DPS with the proc'ing meta gem. the problem is ret still requires a slowish 2 hander |
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| 01:25.57 | Wobwork | is the procrate adjusted for slower weapons? |
| 01:26.09 | JoshBorke | if it's 1 ppm |
| 01:27.33 | JoshBorke | too bad everyone bashes retn00bs |
| 01:27.40 | JoshBorke | and no one does real theory crafting |
| 01:27.50 | JoshBorke | well, relatively anyway |
| 01:30.12 | Wobwork | I would make a pally |
| 01:30.22 | Wobwork | but grinding it up to 70 would be painful |
| 01:30.37 | JoshBorke | it's not that bad |
| 01:30.41 | Wobwork | I'm always impressed at the heal efficiency of pallies |
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| 01:31.08 | Wobwork | I guess I'm just not used to the seal/judge cycle |
| 01:31.10 | JoshBorke | Wobwork: it's great if you're busy. go protection and you can afk while you kill a mob (or 5) |
| 01:31.11 | AnduinLothar | heal efficiency of ret pally in ret gear = zero |
| 01:31.20 | Wobwork | well, yeah =) |
| 01:31.26 | Wobwork | but then you're a dps pally =) |
| 01:31.33 | AnduinLothar | well i've been everything |
| 01:31.47 | AnduinLothar | i have enough epics to do whatever i wanna spec into |
| 01:32.02 | Wobwork | As I understand it, pallies are very equipment specific |
| 01:32.14 | Wobwork | ie, to be worthwhile in whatever spec, you need good gear |
| 01:32.22 | Wobwork | (although that applies to just about any class) |
| 01:32.38 | Wobwork | Just less so in the non hybrid classes |
| 01:32.45 | AnduinLothar | right, cept say mages only have 1 tier 4 set.. |
| 01:32.50 | AnduinLothar | pallies have 3 |
| 01:33.03 | Wobwork | hehe well, they're there to make water! =) |
| 01:33.05 | AnduinLothar | so we're collecting gear for twice as long just to be good |
| 01:33.24 | AnduinLothar | 3x as long is we want to be good at more than just 1 thing |
| 01:33.30 | Wobwork | (although wtb conjure water/food crits) |
| 01:33.35 | AnduinLothar | heh |
| 01:33.50 | AnduinLothar | like alchemy procs, eh? double |
| 01:33.55 | Wobwork | yeah =) |
| 01:34.18 | Wobwork | Although, I have problems enough with inventory space with my priest and her gear, let alone three sets =\ |
| 01:34.40 | AnduinLothar | and lets not forget pvp |
| 01:34.44 | Wobwork | oh yeah |
| 01:34.51 | Wobwork | >< |
| 01:35.17 | AnduinLothar | ret gear is the only set that can be used for pvp... but it has no resil |
| 01:35.49 | AnduinLothar | all the other gear loses stats for resil and isn't as good to pve in |
| 01:36.33 | AnduinLothar | anyway |
| 01:36.34 | AnduinLothar | i like being different |
| 01:36.52 | Wobwork | We are -all- individuals! |
| 01:37.20 | AnduinLothar | we dont have many ret pallies and i have the best gear so i basicly have agarenteed raiding spot |
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| 01:38.00 | Wobwork | yeah, specialisation is good =) |
| 01:38.13 | Wobwork | I've been considering respeccing survival when I hit 70 for my hunter |
| 01:38.30 | Wobwork | mostly for the flexibility |
| 01:38.41 | Wobwork | although I'll miss BRK |
| 01:38.54 | AnduinLothar | heh, i've been using my http://thottbot.com/i28727 for dps cause it gives me 600 mana and procs off my instants |
| 01:40.04 | Tem|Work | Wobwork, yeah, I feel your pain on bagspace |
| 01:40.13 | Tem|Work | I carry around a 20 slotter of herbs |
| 01:40.21 | Tem|Work | and 2.5 sets of gear |
| 01:40.26 | Tem|Work | plus reagents |
| 01:40.28 | Wobwork | AnduinLothar: hm, with that trinket, is there a limit on how high it stacks? |
| 01:40.39 | Tem|Work | and quest crap that I keep on me for no good reason |
| 01:40.49 | Wobwork | and the regen only lasts for the 20seconds from inital 'use', right? |
| 01:40.49 | Tem|Work | Wobwork, I don't think so |
| 01:41.02 | AnduinLothar | not afaik. i've gotten it to 9, but you're limited by global cooldown |
| 01:41.08 | Tem|Work | other than the limit on how many spells it's actually possible to cast in that time |
| 01:41.08 | Wobwork | yeah =) |
| 01:41.40 | Wobwork | pretty good though, esp with only a 2min cooldown |
| 01:42.00 | AnduinLothar | it's ok |
| 01:42.19 | AnduinLothar | lets me go a little longer on bosses |
| 01:42.54 | AnduinLothar | cause unless you have 'pally' or 'hunter' gear it wont have int. and only the hunter gear has mp5 |
| 01:43.31 | Tem|Work | One thing I really like about doing dailies now is that dreaming glory is COMMON AS HELL in those areas |
| 01:43.33 | AnduinLothar | or shammy, but that's better for holy dps |
| 01:43.55 | Tem|Work | so now I'm not afraid to use mana pots |
| 01:44.00 | Tem|Work | because they're easy to make |
| 01:44.11 | AnduinLothar | oh man i go through mana pots like no one's business |
| 01:44.16 | Wobwork | I need more mana pots =\ |
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| 01:44.30 | AnduinLothar | i use more pots dpsing than i do healing.. |
| 01:44.32 | Tem|Work | generally, I don't need them if wisdom is on the mob |
| 01:44.53 | Tem|Work | I like that my class has lots of tricks to not go oom |
| 01:44.57 | AnduinLothar | well yeah, but if i do wisdom then i miss out on crusader dmg |
| 01:45.08 | Tem|Work | needing to use the pot (ie spending money to continue dpsing) is the last resort |
| 01:46.29 | AnduinLothar | got my libram with +47 crusader dmg and 6 points in imp crusader tallents and +15% dmg from t4 2pc bonus.... |
| 01:46.38 | Tem|Work | #item draginstrike |
| 01:46.42 | Tem|Work | #item dragonstrike |
| 01:47.04 | JoshBorke | !item DragonStrike |
| 01:47.06 | ThraeBot | JoshBorke: Name: Dragonstrike; Rarity: Purple; BoP; Unique; 184 - 343 dmg; 2.7 delay; 97.59259 dps; +19 Stamina; Requires L70; 105 Durability; Increases your haste rating by 212 for 10 sec.; Get: Conjured. [[ http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28439 ]] |
| 01:47.16 | Wobwork | woah |
| 01:47.26 | Wobwork | armourybot ftw |
| 01:47.27 | Tem|Work | *sigh* |
| 01:47.28 | haste | I hate you |
| 01:47.32 | Tem|Work | I want that |
| 01:47.38 | Tem|Work | but good for me |
| 01:47.42 | Tem|Work | like, in caster form |
| 01:47.53 | Tem|Work | I want a craftable caster weapon |
| 01:48.02 | Tem|Work | that is as overpowered as those are |
| 01:48.03 | Wobwork | hm |
| 01:48.10 | Wobwork | it doesn't say what type of item it is |
| 01:48.14 | Wobwork | trinket? |
| 01:48.21 | AnduinLothar | 1h mace |
| 01:48.31 | Wobwork | ah |
| 01:48.47 | Wobwork | Thrae: Thraebot needs to specify the type of item, methinks =) |
| 01:49.22 | Tem|Work | and that chance on hit isn't clear that it's a chance on hit |
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| 02:23.18 | JoshBorke | nn |
| 02:23.32 | Cairenn | night josh, sweet dreams |
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| 03:17.24 | cogwheel | there is no way to initiate an interaction with any game-world object |
| 03:17.58 | cogwheel | (npc, chest, door, etc.) |
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| 03:20.24 | TS|Skrom | I appear to have some taint |
| 03:20.28 | TS|Skrom | and no I wasn't with any girl |
| 03:21.03 | TS|Skrom | My macros don't work with modifiers... unless I press my key, then press my modifier then release my key... then they work |
| 03:22.08 | TS|Skrom | nm, might have narrowed it down |
| 03:23.21 | TS|Skrom | FYI if any of you have not yet seen Batman Begins, rent it. |
| 03:23.25 | TS|Skrom | Awesome awesome movie |
| 03:28.40 | TS|Skrom | nope I was wrong. Anyone got any ideas? |
| 03:29.09 | cogwheel | TS|Skrom: that's very odd... |
| 03:29.16 | TS|Skrom | I agree >< |
| 03:30.10 | cogwheel | are you sure you're not releasing the modifier key first? :\ |
| 03:30.26 | cogwheel | (silly question, but the only thing i can think of) |
| 03:30.50 | TS|Skrom | lemme paint the picture a bit better |
| 03:30.59 | TS|Skrom | this is a macro I've made and have bound to mouse 4 |
| 03:31.40 | TS|Skrom | Pressing mouse 4 with nothing held does nothing. I then press control (my modifier) then release the mouse button and the spell casts |
| 03:31.53 | TS|Skrom | the macro is this: /cast [modifier:ctrl]Flamestrike |
| 03:32.15 | TS|Skrom | in this case I get the targeting cursor when I release the mouse button |
| 03:32.55 | cogwheel | in wwhich case? |
| 03:33.12 | TS|Skrom | flamestrike |
| 03:33.20 | TS|Skrom | other spells react different |
| 03:33.31 | TS|Skrom | I used this one because it' be obvious when it actually successfully casts |
| 03:33.32 | cogwheel | i don't really see what the problem is then... |
| 03:33.40 | TS|Skrom | it's not casting til I release the mouse button |
| 03:33.49 | TS|Skrom | normally you press control then button |
| 03:33.56 | cogwheel | ?? |
| 03:34.07 | cogwheel | all abilities are on release... |
| 03:34.24 | cogwheel | bindings have always been that way |
| 03:34.24 | TS|Skrom | okay lemme rephrase again |
| 03:34.39 | TS|Skrom | if I hold control first, press and release the key no cast happens |
| 03:35.14 | Wobwork | ah, it only works if you hold down the key then hit the control and then release both? |
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| 03:35.26 | TS|Skrom | don't have to release control but yeah |
| 03:35.33 | TS|Skrom | key then control then release key |
| 03:35.39 | TS|Skrom | control then key then release key does nothing |
| 03:35.50 | Wobwork | bizzare |
| 03:36.19 | cogwheel | /agree |
| 03:37.18 | TS|Skrom | I'm doing the addon shuffle tryign to narrow it down |
| 03:37.52 | cogwheel | there's no reason I know of that an addon would be capable of producing that behavior... |
| 03:38.16 | TS|Skrom | I'm wondering if I have a rogue conflicting keybind? |
| 03:38.41 | TS|Skrom | how do you clear a single characters keybinds they ahave their own file? |
| 03:39.07 | cogwheel | click character-specific and hit the defaults button |
| 03:39.18 | TS|Skrom | oh good idea |
| 03:39.50 | TS|Skrom | now it was already on character specific but I had just selected that tonight after about 15 levels and playing other characters in between (I always forget to set that but it's so necessary it seems) |
| 03:39.57 | TS|Skrom | so I just hit the defaults and it will clear for her |
| 03:40.44 | cogwheel | yep |
| 03:41.25 | TS|Skrom | ahha that was it, I just looked in bindings-cache.wtf and it's binding that key combo to rejuvenation... I'm a mage X |
| 03:41.26 | TS|Skrom | XD |
| 03:42.55 | TS|Skrom | oh I think I know what happened. |
| 03:43.32 | TS|Skrom | the druid must have been saved globally, then when I played the mage they copied over. I had been using direct ctrl+button mappings for the druid, but used a macro to look for the ctrl modifier on the mage |
| 03:44.00 | TS|Skrom | so it was using the druid mappings and never looking at the macro until I triggered the macro first (held down the button) THEN pressed the modifier and release |
| 03:44.06 | TS|Skrom | how very very strange |
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| 03:44.33 | TS|Skrom | and oops |
| 03:46.33 | TS|Skrom | problem fixed, bound the specific ctrl + button to something else, then unbound it |
| 03:46.41 | TS|Skrom | thanks for the idea bounce offs :D |
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| 04:15.17 | zenzelezz | "Meanwhile all was not well on the alliance side ! SIlence had split and there was many an alliance yokel crying about it, not realising that the members of silence had actually realised they could still raid without keion who had lost his virginity. " |
| 04:15.38 | zenzelezz | Hoofit's posts on EU-Silvermoon forum make up for all the whining and drama |
| 04:19.25 | zenzelezz | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=299055402&sid=1 -- how to make a "thank you for crafting this" into a great read, that guy deserves a medal |
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| 04:32.10 | Mike-N-Go | I have a few questions about the arena. |
| 04:32.35 | Mike-N-Go | How does one get points, is it 10 games per person, or 30% of games played? |
| 04:33.36 | Thunder_Child | 30% |
| 04:33.37 | Mike-N-Go | As in, does a person have to do a minimum of 10 games, or only be participate in 30% with the team having played 10 games a week? |
| 04:34.05 | Thunder_Child | 10 or more, with at least 30% participation |
| 04:35.08 | Mike-N-Go | 10 per team, and 30% participation in the matches per person for any points? |
| 04:36.32 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 04:36.46 | Thunder_Child | so the more people you have the more games you have to play |
| 04:42.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | HRM |
| 04:42.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | er oops caps |
| 04:43.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | hrm, is there a way i can macro it so that if my target is in my party, i cast intervene, otherwise revenge? |
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| 04:47.53 | RandomError | Hello |
| 04:49.01 | RandomError | Is there a way to format strings as tables in dropdown? |
| 04:49.27 | RandomError | I mean: |
| 04:49.27 | RandomError | info = {}; |
| 04:49.27 | RandomError | info.text = "TheName 20 Warrior"; |
| 04:49.27 | RandomError | info.value = "TheName"; |
| 04:49.27 | RandomError | info.func = Open_chat_with_player; |
| 04:49.29 | RandomError | |
| 04:49.43 | RandomError | Is there a way to make all entries look aligned like in table |
| 04:49.44 | RandomError | :) |
| 04:51.33 | Cide | um.. what? |
| 04:51.48 | RandomError | this is WoW addon developer channel right? |
| 04:51.48 | RandomError | :D |
| 04:51.54 | Cide | yes |
| 04:52.04 | Cide | but you're 1) not making sense 2) pasting code (bad) |
| 04:52.17 | Cide | define "format strings as tables" |
| 04:52.21 | RandomError | ok I'll try to explain |
| 04:52.45 | RandomError | what I need is a dropdown with a list of players I have in my contacts |
| 04:52.52 | RandomError | and on click I'll be whispering them |
| 04:53.03 | RandomError | in the dropdown I need to see their name, level and class |
| 04:53.16 | RandomError | all that should be aligned like table |
| 04:53.31 | RandomError | what I mean is dropdown title will say "Name level class" |
| 04:53.39 | RandomError | and all options should go aligned to that |
| 04:53.42 | RandomError | visualy |
| 04:53.43 | RandomError | :) |
| 04:53.51 | RandomError | makes any sence? |
| 04:54.01 | Cide | yes |
| 04:54.07 | Cide | but that's not really easy |
| 04:54.41 | Cide | >>> ("%10s%10s%10s"):format("hi", "there", "formatted") |
| 04:54.42 | Cide | Cide: " hi there formatted" |
| 04:55.03 | Cide | >>> ("%-10s%-10s%-10s"):format("hi", "there", "formatted") |
| 04:55.03 | Cide | Cide: "hi there formatted " |
| 04:55.39 | RandomError | is default fon in WoW monospace? |
| 04:55.42 | RandomError | font |
| 04:55.47 | Cide | no idea |
| 04:55.53 | Cide | you can change font anyway |
| 04:56.20 | RandomError | ok |
| 04:57.02 | RandomError | so info.text = ("%-10s%-10s%-10s"):format(name, level, class) will do the trick? |
| 04:57.14 | Karrion|Away | RandomError: have a look at Fubar_GuildFu, it does something similar to what you want |
| 04:57.21 | Cide | it will give each thing 10 characters of space |
| 04:57.36 | RandomError | ok |
| 04:57.40 | RandomError | Thank you very much |
| 04:57.41 | RandomError | :) |
| 04:57.46 | Cide | you probably don't want 10 chars for level though |
| 04:58.18 | RandomError | yeah, I'll figure that out |
| 04:58.18 | RandomError | :) |
| 05:02.14 | Guillotine | is it possible to create object oriented functions without cluttering the global namespace (either in a table or in a local) |
| 05:06.12 | Cide | um, you lost me |
| 05:07.01 | Cide | >>> local oo = { get_name = function(self) return self.name; end, set_name = function(self, name) self.name = name; end }; oo:set_name("foo"); return oo:get_name() |
| 05:07.02 | Cide | Cide: "foo" |
| 05:10.25 | Guillotine | >>> function test(passed,ing) return passed..ing end "IAmTe":test("sting") |
| 05:10.25 | Cide | Guillotine: [string "function test(passed,ing) return passed..ing end "IAmTe":test("..."]:1: unexpected symbol near '"IAmTe"' |
| 05:10.39 | Guillotine | alright, I'm using these completely wrong o.O |
| 05:10.54 | Guillotine | thought the object before : was passed as the first parameter to the function |
| 05:11.20 | Guillotine | e.g. Frame:Show() is actually calling Show(Frame) |
| 05:12.29 | Cide | it is |
| 05:12.53 | Cide | foo:bar(baz) == foo.bar(foo, baz) |
| 05:13.04 | Guillotine | ahhh, ok |
| 05:13.26 | Guillotine | is there any way to do foo:bar(baz) = bar(foo,baz)? |
| 05:13.34 | Guillotine | suppose not |
| 05:14.00 | Guillotine | don't see a need to give each of my frames all these functions though since its just used to create children from templates |
| 05:14.19 | Guillotine | suppose I can just manually pass itself as the first argument |
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| 05:14.54 | Cide | foo:bar(baz) == bar(foo,baz) |
| 05:15.58 | Cide | the former just assumes that bar is a member variable of foo |
| 05:20.47 | Guillotine | and if bar isn't a member variable of foo? What if its a global? |
| 05:21.02 | Cide | then you don't use : |
| 05:23.19 | Guillotine | so, then you just do bar(foo,baz), right? |
| 05:23.24 | Cide | yep |
| 05:23.41 | Guillotine | so foo:bar(baz) ~= bar(foo,baz) |
| 05:23.55 | Cide | foo:bar(baz) is indeed == bar(foo,baz) |
| 05:24.00 | Arrowmaster | and do function bar(self,baz) end |
| 05:24.12 | Cide | but only if foo contains bar |
| 05:24.18 | Cide | because foo:bar is a special case of foo.bar |
| 05:24.48 | Guillotine | right |
| 05:25.35 | Cide | >>> function bar(arg1, arg2) return arg1, arg2 end foo, baz = { }, "bazvalue"; return bar(foo, baz); |
| 05:25.35 | Cide | Cide: { } (#1), "bazvalue" |
| 05:25.38 | Cide | >>> function bar(arg1, arg2) return arg1, arg2 end foo, baz = { ["bar"] = bar }, "bazvalue"; return foo:bar(baz) |
| 05:25.39 | Cide | Cide: { ["bar"] = function: 00A26B70 } (#1), "bazvalue" |
| 05:25.49 | Cide | as you can see, they both return the same thing |
| 05:26.20 | AnduinLothar | oh man this new 2v2 team is nuts |
| 05:26.29 | AnduinLothar | enhancement shammy and ret pally |
| 05:26.34 | AnduinLothar | so much dps.. |
| 05:31.13 | Guillotine | doesn't the default Button object automatically have a font string? Or do you have to manually set it via SetFontString()? |
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| 06:12.20 | Guillotine | hmm. seems Frame:SetHighlightTexture doesn't work |
| 06:12.32 | Guillotine | doesn't give an error, but doesn't do anything |
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| 06:25.28 | JunkHead-Work | Anyone around? |
| 06:26.02 | Guillotine | kind of |
| 06:26.06 | Guillotine | ~seen Wobin_ |
| 06:26.17 | purl | wobin_ is currently on #wowi-lounge (6h 44m 51s) #wowace (6h 44m 51s), last said: 'what's BT4 going to have?'. |
| 06:26.17 | JunkHead-Work | Have you heard if we are having maintenance this week or not? |
| 06:26.29 | JunkHead-Work | I logged in earlier and saw no message on the login screen. |
| 06:26.50 | Guillotine | no idea |
| 06:26.57 | JunkHead-Work | Hmm... |
| 06:27.23 | Garoun|Loupana | I flippin hate prince and the infernals he rode in on |
| 06:28.38 | Garoun|Loupana | 6% wipe tonight because he managed to box me in and land an infernal on my head |
| 06:28.41 | JunkHead-Work | There is only one really bad spot that an infernal can land. |
| 06:28.50 | JunkHead-Work | The way we do it anywya. |
| 06:28.57 | JunkHead-Work | anyway* |
| 06:29.23 | Garoun|Loupana | I tank him directly out from door against the far rocks |
| 06:29.29 | JunkHead-Work | If we have an infernal land in that spot near the door, we have to back off for a bit. |
| 06:29.37 | JunkHead-Work | That's the only bad spot for us. |
| 06:29.54 | JunkHead-Work | Where does the rest of the group stand? By the door? |
| 06:29.55 | Garoun|Loupana | we're usually ok until the late 10% spawns |
| 06:30.04 | Garoun|Loupana | yeah, they start farther out towards the middle |
| 06:30.21 | JunkHead-Work | The way we do it, we all clump together by the door. |
| 06:30.22 | Garoun|Loupana | and the infernals typically funnel them towards the door or closer together |
| 06:30.32 | JunkHead-Work | The tank tanks Prince in front of us by the right wall. |
| 06:31.05 | JunkHead-Work | There is a little cent in the wall that melee runs to during the ... weaken spell.. can't remember what it's called. |
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| 06:31.36 | JunkHead-Work | Right by the door, there is a little thing on the ground, like a post or something. I stand in front of it while healing. |
| 06:31.42 | Garoun|Loupana | so I guess you park him about 50 yrds from the door? |
| 06:31.48 | JunkHead-Work | I step forward until I can cleanse the tank. |
| 06:32.04 | JunkHead-Work | And when the weaken comes, I simply walk backwards until I run into the post thing. |
| 06:32.09 | JunkHead-Work | And I'm out of range. |
| 06:32.15 | JunkHead-Work | 50 yrd... maybe. not sure. |
| 06:32.29 | JunkHead-Work | Might be more like.. 35-40 |
| 06:32.33 | Garoun|Loupana | 35-40 is max on the nova I think |
| 06:32.49 | Garoun|Loupana | so if you are all actaully in the door jam, probably the 35-40 like you said |
| 06:32.49 | JunkHead-Work | Along the right wall, there is that little hiding spot in the wall. |
| 06:33.03 | JunkHead-Work | The tank is not far from there. |
| 06:33.15 | Garoun|Loupana | so your melee uses that to break LOS on nova? |
| 06:33.18 | JunkHead-Work | This gives the melee time to book it to the safe spot before the nova hits. |
| 06:33.21 | JunkHead-Work | Yes. |
| 06:33.32 | JunkHead-Work | The little indention in the wall breaks LOS. |
| 06:33.36 | Garoun|Loupana | ah, I usually just have our melee run straight to the spotter |
| 06:33.42 | JunkHead-Work | Now, if we get an infernal in the bad spot... |
| 06:34.02 | JunkHead-Work | which is, right near the door... the melee runs out, and just ranges until the infernal despawns. |
| 06:34.24 | Garoun|Loupana | if they resist I have them run to me for the nova so they can get back on to dps faster rather than being knocked way back |
| 06:34.54 | JunkHead-Work | Last time this happened, we were almost |
| 06:34.55 | JunkHead-Work | brb |
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| 06:37.55 | JunkHead-Work | Back sorry. |
| 06:38.03 | Garoun|Loupana | np |
| 06:38.09 | JunkHead-Work | Last time we did Prince, we almost had him down to 60% |
| 06:38.17 | JunkHead-Work | And an infernal spawned on us at the door. |
| 06:38.39 | JunkHead-Work | So we got melee out, and they ranged a little bit, and we held up on dps until the infernal went away. |
| 06:38.53 | JunkHead-Work | As soon as it went away, we dps'ed him to 60% and started the next phase. |
| 06:38.57 | Garoun|Loupana | that's ok as long as it's pre-60% |
| 06:39.13 | Garoun|Loupana | if that was at 60% it'd be tough to hold dps that long |
| 06:39.17 | JunkHead-Work | Right, we didn't want to be in that second phase with an infernale near us. |
| 06:39.29 | Garoun|Loupana | makes sense |
| 06:39.52 | Garoun|Loupana | just haven't the melee run forward to be thrown into the wall like the MT added considerable dps |
| 06:40.06 | Garoun|Loupana | on the novas that is if they resisted enfeeble |
| 06:40.23 | Garoun|Loupana | haven't/having |
| 06:40.32 | JunkHead-Work | But basically, tank tanks him a little past the alcove on the right wall melee goes in, and runs out of LOS using the alcove to avoid nova |
| 06:41.01 | Garoun|Loupana | is he on farm for you all? |
| 06:41.15 | JunkHead-Work | yes we clear kara with 3 groups every week. |
| 06:41.18 | Garoun|Loupana | this is only our 2nd week on him, about 2 hours of attempts :/ |
| 06:42.03 | Garoun|Loupana | I run our raid casual since most of us are older, so we only raid fri(9-12), Sat (8:30-12), Mon (9:30-12) |
| 06:42.35 | Garoun|Loupana | we'll get there :) just takes longer |
| 06:43.26 | Garoun|Loupana | haven't even ventured to sprite yet, I want us to have prince dead first |
| 06:43.49 | Garoun|Loupana | prince tends to not be the one that beats us, he's easy, it's those stupid infernals :P |
| 06:50.32 | JunkHead-Work | Yeah the infernals are all luck. |
| 06:50.41 | JunkHead-Work | one lands by the door, it's abd luck. |
| 06:50.44 | JunkHead-Work | bad* |
| 06:50.52 | JunkHead-Work | None land near the door, it's a gimme fight. |
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| 06:51.51 | JunkHead-Work | Believe it or not, the fight my teams has the most trouble with in Kara is Illhoof. |
| 06:51.58 | JunkHead-Work | team* |
| 06:53.07 | Guillotine | w00t! just finished converting about 2k lines of xml into lua with dynamic frame creation XD |
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| 07:16.51 | Corrodias | what are decent parry/dodge/block chance numbers for a warrior tank? |
| 07:17.37 | Wobwork | 100% |
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| 07:23.54 | Corrodias | arr... |
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| 07:27.08 | Corrodias | the sum must be at least 100% to be uncrushable? |
| 07:27.32 | Corrodias | i just don't know if warriors typically get that high |
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| 07:53.08 | Punkie` | Corrodias: When shield block buff is on the warrior, he cannot take a crushing blow |
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| 08:15.16 | zenzelezz | Corrodias/Punkie: rumor is you need 102.7% or so to be uncrushable; but for most tanks Shield Block does mean you're well over that |
| 08:17.02 | zenzelezz | at the moment I have 23.39% dodge, 17.89% parry and 28.08% block unbuffed |
| 08:18.42 | Thelyna | Shield Block is 75% block if I remember rightly |
| 08:19.13 | Thelyna | which means you need over 27% total (dodge + parry + block) to be uncrushable |
| 08:19.14 | zenzelezz | 75% more, yes |
| 08:19.37 | Thelyna | so in theory a naked level 70 warrior with a level 1 grey shield would be uncrushable |
| 08:19.39 | zenzelezz | but SB can wear off before the CD is off, so it's a good idea to be high on the stats anyway |
| 08:19.56 | zenzelezz | not wear off, get beaten off |
| 08:20.04 | zenzelezz | such as Prince phase 2 |
| 08:22.25 | Thelyna | well true |
| 08:22.30 | [Ammo] | tht |
| 08:22.35 | [Ammo] | that's when superior gear will help :) |
| 08:22.43 | zenzelezz | exactly =) |
| 08:23.05 | Thelyna | but if you're facing a boss with instant attacks and/or a swing speed faster than 2.5s, eventually you're going to have something sneak through |
| 08:23.33 | Thelyna | so if I was a warrior I'd gear for stamina/armor until I'd never be burst down then go for avoidance/block |
| 08:24.11 | zenzelezz | personally (and this is only my opinion) I go the other way |
| 08:24.32 | zenzelezz | I don't *gimp* myself on stamina/armor, but I value avoidance first |
| 08:24.51 | zenzelezz | now I'm starting to go more for stamina stuf |
| 08:24.54 | zenzelezz | *stuff |
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| 08:40.08 | Thelyna | if your healers are running oom, that's when you want more avoidance |
| 08:40.17 | Thelyna | until then, stamina/armor are king |
| 08:41.14 | zenzelezz | I think it's a balance thing at most levels; although no mob at all should be able to one-shot you, of course |
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| 08:49.03 | Thelyna | I come from a healing background, and I'd personally rather have a tank take more damage and it be less of his health bar, than have him take less damage and be spikier |
| 08:49.36 | Thelyna | because if my tank is spiking a lot I'm gunna have to let the heals fly anyway |
| 08:50.18 | zenzelezz | I'm only speaking from my own point of view |
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| 09:28.23 | Wraanger | heyaz |
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| 09:29.03 | zenzelezz | hello |
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| 10:00.27 | Mike-N-Go | Oh no, server matinee, what am I to do for a few hours? |
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| 10:00.41 | nevcairiel | try sleep |
| 10:00.50 | nevcairiel | anyway, 2.1.3 going live in US? |
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| 10:01.02 | zenzelezz | EU launcher is advertising it anyway |
| 10:01.10 | zenzelezz | and the answer to what to do is clearly porn |
| 10:01.24 | Mike-N-Go | ~dict porn |
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| 10:29.57 | bleeter | yay for more primetime downtime :/ |
| 10:30.30 | bleeter | but, on the plus side, game client patched in Wine cleanly... ain't seent that happen for a while. |
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| 10:43.09 | Wobin_ | bleeter: agreed |
| 10:43.13 | Wobin_ | oh woo patch |
| 10:45.26 | Wobin_ | oh hey |
| 10:45.30 | Wobin_ | 30 day's read mail |
| 10:45.31 | Wobin_ | fantastic |
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| 10:48.13 | Maldivia | yeah, just read that aswell... woot :9 |
| 10:49.03 | Maldivia | now go check if they fixed tooltip, or bump the post on the UI forums if not :) |
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| 10:50.58 | nevcairiel | what was wrong with the tooltip? |
| 10:51.38 | Maldivia | enchant, gem and suffix information isn't cleared, when going from an item: link to an enchant: link |
| 10:52.03 | Maldivia | so you can get enchant link, that says it produces a Primal Might of the Owl |
| 10:52.11 | Maldivia | with a +40 spell power enchant |
| 10:52.18 | nevcairiel | hm wasnt the report of that quite last-minute for 2.1.3? |
| 10:53.02 | Maldivia | might have been :) |
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| 11:13.57 | Neebler | [4:11] <Revery> http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=115042507 |
| 11:13.58 | Neebler | [4:11] <Revery> patch notes |
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| 11:17.20 | bleeter | Neebler: that's not the patch notes that come with the patch. With the patch, it additionally states that read mail will now be held for 30 days instead of 3. |
| 11:17.43 | Neebler | hooray |
| 11:17.53 | zenzelezz | bleeter: sounds like the PTR patch notes basically |
| 11:18.09 | Neebler | I wonder if it resets the 30 timer on mail that has been in the mailbox a while |
| 11:18.14 | Neebler | 30 day* |
| 11:18.18 | Maldivia | doubt it |
| 11:18.35 | |FF|Im2good4u | in that case illl never send something on CoD anymore :P |
| 11:18.48 | Neebler | speaking of. I havn't logged on my bankalt in forever! |
| 11:18.53 | Neebler | ruh roh |
| 11:19.12 | Maldivia | Neebler: then be glad, that the mail is auto-returned agter 30 days :) |
| 11:19.27 | Neebler | I use him to auction stuff |
| 11:19.58 | Maldivia | |FF|Im2good4u: how will that differ from now? except that they can keep it in their mailbox for 60 days now, instead of 33 ? |
| 11:20.13 | |FF|Im2good4u | that exactly wut i mean |
| 11:20.30 | Maldivia | |FF|Im2good4u: so 33 days is fine, but 60 is too much ?:) |
| 11:20.49 | |FF|Im2good4u | no 33 is a lot but 60 is way to much |
| 11:21.09 | Maldivia | the question is ofcourse, is it a fixed 30 days from day you receive the mail, or does it reset to 30 when you open it the first time... |
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| 11:26.57 | zenzelezz | I think it resets |
| 11:27.06 | zenzelezz | otherwise it would be "mail", not "read mail", logically |
| 12:12.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | patch today? :o |
| 12:13.32 | Wobin_ | yep |
| 12:13.34 | Wobin_ | 13 |
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| 14:12.08 | nevcairiel | have there been any significant changes to the FrameXML in 2.1.3? |
| 14:12.34 | nevcairiel | except more globalstring stuff :P |
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| 15:04.08 | TS|Skrom | morning |
| 15:04.33 | cog|work | morning |
| 15:06.17 | |FF|Im2good4u | is it posable to get a reference to quest by some sort of id number ? like it is whit items |
| 15:07.25 | cog|work | Nope :( |
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| 15:10.47 | |FF|Im2good4u | i though so ill gues ill skip quest for my ingame guild armory then since its way to much trouble to transmit all the data over :P |
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| 15:14.20 | TS|Skrom | what was the addon that added a # link to your log which you could click on to show what event and it's args was attached to that line? |
| 15:14.50 | zenzelezz | DevTools? |
| 15:15.09 | TS|Skrom | I suppose, what slash command? |
| 15:15.21 | zenzelezz | /dtchatevent or something |
| 15:15.28 | TS|Skrom | ahh yes that's sounding more familiar |
| 15:15.43 | TS|Skrom | been awhile since i've used it >< |
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| 15:18.41 | sag_ich_nicht | Apparently the EU PTR forum is also the EU bug report forum. |
| 15:18.45 | sag_ich_nicht | gg blizzard |
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| 15:26.43 | Kaso | EU forums serve no purpose but to placate us europeans, they dont want to have to actually read our posts like they would if there were a bug forum. |
| 15:28.07 | clad|book | which document lists no cross faction communication, the EuLA or the ToS? |
| 15:30.31 | Kaso | tos |
| 15:30.36 | clad|book | orly? |
| 15:30.37 | clad|book | thanks. |
| 15:31.15 | Kaso | 2 C. iv. if you care |
| 15:31.33 | clad|book | thanks =) |
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| 15:32.23 | Wobin_ | Hurrah! |
| 15:32.28 | Wobin_ | Main Screen turn on! |
| 15:32.39 | Wobin_ | PS, Scale is different to expo |
| 15:32.53 | Wobin_ | scale lines up all the workspaces left to right |
| 15:33.02 | Wobin_ | expo tiles the open windows |
| 15:34.04 | clad|book | ah =) |
| 15:35.33 | Wobin_ | nono I'm totally wrong =\ |
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| 15:36.07 | Wobin_ | other way around =) |
| 15:36.19 | Wobin_ | Scale is what shows all the active windows =) |
| 15:36.24 | Wobin_ | expo the workspaces |
| 15:37.16 | Wobin_ | wow |
| 15:37.19 | Wobin_ | clone is kinda cool |
| 15:37.22 | clad|book | lol |
| 15:37.31 | Wobin_ | although you really need two monitors with the same resolution |
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| 15:42.46 | sag_ich_nicht | anyone have a big bookworm SavedVars file for me? :O |
| 15:43.55 | deltron | bookworm? |
| 15:44.03 | sag_ich_nicht | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info4088-Bookworm.html |
| 15:44.33 | sag_ich_nicht | unless it's broken |
| 15:44.33 | sag_ich_nicht | in which case i will hurt iriel :O |
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| 15:48.19 | TS|Skrom | if a grounding totem absorbs a non damage spell does it disappear? |
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| 16:02.38 | Kaso | TS|Skrom, no, but it then cannot absorb another spell for a period of time i cant quite remeber |
| 16:02.55 | Kaso | 10 seconds |
| 16:03.34 | TS|Skrom | wish I could play a shaman past 20 I'd know these answers XD |
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| 16:04.44 | TS|Skrom | is this legal: getglobal(this:GetName().spellName |
| 16:04.57 | TS|Skrom | assuming the variable existed of course |
| 16:05.12 | Kaso | assume you fix the brackets |
| 16:05.17 | TS|Skrom | right |
| 16:05.23 | Kaso | but whats the point? cant you just use this.spellName? |
| 16:05.35 | TS|Skrom | oh heh good point |
| 16:05.45 | TS|Skrom | I was modifying some broken code |
| 16:06.01 | TS|Skrom | and i had used this:GetName().."_Icon" previous |
| 16:06.13 | TS|Skrom | Thanks |
| 16:06.42 | Kaso | i getcha |
| 16:06.59 | TS|Skrom | getglobal(this:GetName().."_Icon"):SetNormalTexture(TotemTimer_ScanSpellBook(getglobal(this.spellName))) |
| 16:07.07 | TS|Skrom | that's the whole line now |
| 16:07.26 | foxlit | getglobal(this.spellName) ? |
| 16:07.46 | TS|Skrom | that incorrect still? |
| 16:07.56 | Kaso | just this.spellName |
| 16:08.03 | Kaso | no gettting of globals needed |
| 16:08.06 | foxlit | I'm not sure of your design, but that probably shouldn't be like that |
| 16:08.09 | TS|Skrom | XD oh right haha |
| 16:08.25 | foxlit | >>> Arcane Intellect = "boo"; |
| 16:08.26 | Cide- | foxlit: [string "Arcane Intellect = "boo";"]:1: '=' expected near 'Intellect' |
| 16:08.34 | foxlit | >>> _G["Arcane Intellect"] = "boo"; |
| 16:08.35 | Cide- | foxlit: nil |
| 16:08.55 | foxlit | Funny how that works |
| 16:09.45 | TS|Skrom | I remember I had a hard enough time remembering when to use getglobal to begin with that I probably overuse it |
| 16:09.57 | Kaso | >>> _G["fred.fred"]="test" |
| 16:09.58 | Cide- | Kaso: nil |
| 16:10.07 | Kaso | how does that work then :> |
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| 16:10.17 | foxlit | You provided no return :) |
| 16:10.32 | foxlit | >>> _G["fred.fred"]="test"; print(_G["fred.fred"]); |
| 16:10.33 | Cide- | foxlit: "test" |
| 16:10.45 | Kaso | magic! |
| 16:11.40 | Kaso | >>> return _G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G._G |
| 16:11.40 | Cide- | Kaso: { ["log"] = function: 00239E70, ["wow"] = { ["strconcat"] = function: 0023AA80, ["strtrim"] = function: 0023A9E0, ["debugstack"] = function: 0023AAE0, ["getglobal"] = function: 0023AAA0, ["setglobal"]... (exceeded 200 characters) |
| 16:11.51 | Kaso | *brain explodes* |
| 16:12.13 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 16:12.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Let's see if we can break the lua bot |
| 16:12.24 | ScytheBlade1 | I like that idea |
| 16:12.45 | Kaso | when cide wrote it we spent a good couple nights working on breaking it |
| 16:12.45 | Kaelten | >>> print("'hi'") |
| 16:12.46 | Cide- | Kaelten: "'hi'" |
| 16:12.49 | TS|Skrom | no dissasemble stephanie! |
| 16:12.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Really? |
| 16:13.00 | ScytheBlade1 | So, if I tried, I wouldn't be beaten? |
| 16:13.26 | Kaso | as far as i know there is one exploit still in, but iriel found that, so us mere mortals wouldnt be able to work it out. |
| 16:14.08 | ScytheBlade1 | >>> for i = 1, 0, 1 do done; |
| 16:14.09 | Cide- | ScytheBlade1: [string "for i = 1, 0, 1 do done;"]:1: '=' expected near ';' |
| 16:14.15 | ScytheBlade1 | >>> for i = 1, 0, 1 do; done; |
| 16:14.15 | Cide- | ScytheBlade1: [string "for i = 1, 0, 1 do; done;"]:1: unexpected symbol near ';' |
| 16:14.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm |
| 16:14.27 | ScytheBlade1 | This one line syntax is getting to me :P |
| 16:14.44 | ScytheBlade1 | >>> for i = 1, 0, 1 do i = i; done; |
| 16:14.45 | Cide- | ScytheBlade1: [string "for i = 1, 0, 1 do i = i; done;"]:1: '=' expected near ';' |
| 16:14.51 | Kaso | done ? |
| 16:14.54 | ScytheBlade1 | >>> for i = 1, 0, 1 do i = i; end; |
| 16:14.55 | Cide- | ScytheBlade1: nil |
| 16:14.55 | ScytheBlade1 | bah |
| 16:14.59 | TS|Skrom | don't you mean kthxbai? |
| 16:15.04 | ScytheBlade1 | DO/DONE |
| 16:15.10 | ScytheBlade1 | I had too much QBASIC as a child :P |
| 16:16.02 | Kaelten | GOTO 50 |
| 16:16.26 | ScytheBlade1 | >>> for i = 0, 4294967297, 1 do i = i; end; |
| 16:16.29 | ScytheBlade1 | There we go |
| 16:16.32 | Cide- | ScytheBlade1: maximum execution time (5s) exceeded |
| 16:16.32 | Kaso | nope |
| 16:16.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Awww |
| 16:16.50 | Kaso | hehe |
| 16:17.01 | Kaelten | I wonder what the backend is running on |
| 16:17.06 | TS|Skrom | why in the world are you working so hard, while true do end man! |
| 16:17.15 | ScytheBlade1 | -Cide-- VERSION xchat 2.6.8-1 Windows Vista [AMD/2.60GHz] |
| 16:17.16 | Kaso | perl i think? |
| 16:17.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Then yeah it's probably invincible :P |
| 16:17.59 | ScytheBlade1 | >>> for i = 0, -1, 1 do i = i; end; |
| 16:17.59 | Cide- | ScytheBlade1: nil |
| 16:18.03 | foxlit | Well, you can kill the stack, but you get nothing out of that. |
| 16:18.55 | ScytheBlade1 | >>> for i = 0, 999999999, 1 do i = math.pow(i, i); end; |
| 16:19.01 | Cide- | ScytheBlade1: maximum execution time (5s) exceeded |
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| 16:19.33 | foxlit | >>> ("pants"):repeat(5000):repeat(5000); |
| 16:19.33 | Cide- | foxlit: [string "("pants"):repeat(5000):repeat(5000);"]:1: '<name>' expected near 'repeat' |
| 16:19.43 | foxlit | >>> ("pants"):rep(5000):rep(5000); |
| 16:19.49 | Cide- | foxlit: maximum execution time (5s) exceeded |
| 16:19.55 | ScytheBlade1 | >>> for i = 0, 999999999, 1 do i = math.pow(math.pow(i, math.pow(i, math.pow(i, i)))); end; |
| 16:19.56 | Cide- | ScytheBlade1: [string "for i = 0, 999999999, 1 do i = math.pow(mat..."]:1: bad argument #2 to 'pow' (number expected, got no value) |
| 16:20.14 | Kaso | hmm, rep should really be able to max memory out before 5x |
| 16:20.27 | ScytheBlade1 | >>> for i = 0, 999999999, 1 do i = math.pow(i, math.pow(i, math.pow(i, math.pow(i, i)))); end; |
| 16:20.33 | Cide- | ScytheBlade1: maximum execution time (5s) exceeded |
| 16:20.39 | ScytheBlade1 | He's good. :P |
| 16:21.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Then again, he's probably forking off a lua process, and watching that in perl. |
| 16:21.37 | pastamancer | we got everything obvious, and quite a few things that weren't obvious, like plugin -> irc handling |
| 16:21.47 | ScytheBlade1 | That was my next target |
| 16:21.48 | pastamancer | and it's a python plugin starting up a locked-down lua process |
| 16:24.17 | ScytheBlade1 | >>> io.stderr:write("test"); |
| 16:24.18 | Cide- | ScytheBlade1: [string "io.stderr:write("test");"]:1: attempt to index global 'io' (a nil value) |
| 16:26.01 | wereHamster | someone please explain me why WoW doesn't accept a pixelformat with 'depth bits == 16' and 'stencil bits != 0' |
| 16:26.16 | ScytheBlade1 | >>> print(os.time); |
| 16:26.16 | Cide- | ScytheBlade1: function: 003691C8 |
| 16:27.00 | ScytheBlade1 | >>> print(os.getenv("HOME")) |
| 16:27.01 | Cide- | ScytheBlade1: [string "print(os.getenv("HOME"))"]:1: attempt to call field 'getenv' (a nil value) |
| 16:27.01 | TS|Skrom | it's a hamsterspiracy |
| 16:27.07 | ScytheBlade1 | He *is* good |
| 16:27.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Or the lua binary that runs on windows is broke ;P |
| 16:27.49 | ScytheBlade1 | >>> os.execute("mkdir c:\testinglol"); |
| 16:27.49 | Cide- | ScytheBlade1: [string "os.execute("mkdir c:\testinglol");"]:1: attempt to call field 'execute' (a nil value) |
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| 16:27.54 | Cide- | perl? god |
| 16:28.03 | TS|Skrom | some servers coming up |
| 16:28.08 | Cide | it's running lua/python |
| 16:28.11 | TS|Skrom | unfortuneately no where I have a shaman >< |
| 16:28.26 | Cide | oh, pastamancer beat me |
| 16:28.40 | foxlit | Tbh, you're assuming os exists |
| 16:28.43 | foxlit | It doesn't. |
| 16:28.49 | ScytheBlade1 | >>> print(os.time); |
| 16:28.50 | Cide | ScytheBlade1: function: 009291C8 |
| 16:28.52 | Cide | it does :) |
| 16:28.55 | foxlit | Well, not all of it :) |
| 16:28.56 | ScytheBlade1 | It does |
| 16:29.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, that was my next question |
| 16:29.07 | foxlit | >>> for k,v in pairs(os) do print(k); end |
| 16:29.08 | Cide | foxlit: "clock", "time" |
| 16:29.10 | ScytheBlade1 | There's no way this is a vanilla lua binary ;P |
| 16:29.17 | foxlit | Why? |
| 16:29.21 | Cide | and there's only one known exploit at the moment |
| 16:29.32 | foxlit | eval.lua: os.stuff = nil; -- your code goes here |
| 16:29.40 | Kaelten | Cide: would you be willing to share the script/binary when you get it done? |
| 16:29.47 | Cide | I've shared it |
| 16:29.53 | Kaelten | oh? cool :) |
| 16:29.58 | Kaelten | I have a bot I could plug it into |
| 16:30.01 | Cide | I'd rather not share the python plugin though =/ |
| 16:30.08 | Kaelten | oh :( |
| 16:30.09 | Kaelten | ok |
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| 16:30.13 | Cide | but I can |
| 16:30.21 | Cide | if you give me some 15 min to clean up the code |
| 16:30.24 | ScytheBlade1 | -ScytheBlade1- VERSION xchat 2.8.2 Linux 2.6.20 [x86_64/2.20GHz/SMP] |
| 16:30.27 | Kaelten | hehe, I'm in no rush atm |
| 16:30.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Come on, give me that python ;) |
| 16:30.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Let's see the cross-platform compat ;) |
| 16:30.36 | Kaelten | what kind of plugin is it? |
| 16:31.05 | Cide | an xchat python plugin |
| 16:31.10 | Kaelten | ah |
| 16:31.15 | Cide | running python 2.4 with a couple of python 2.5 libraries iirc |
| 16:31.34 | Kaelten | I suppose it wouldn't be that hard to convert it over to working with my python based irc bot |
| 16:33.08 | clad|book | pure lua irc bots ftw |
| 16:33.45 | foxlit | fox is pure lua |
| 16:33.52 | clad|book | so is clad |
| 16:33.55 | foxlit | So is Kaso's awesomebot :) |
| 16:34.13 | clad|book | makes it easy to use my sandbox library |
| 16:34.21 | clad|book | sandbox.runcmd() |
| 16:35.01 | MoonWolf | anyone here know of a lua thingy for xchat ? |
| 16:35.04 | Cide | works fine as a single user :) |
| 16:35.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Security though ;) |
| 16:35.19 | Cide | it's secure :) |
| 16:35.23 | ScytheBlade1 | (And this is a linux box... makes it easy) |
| 16:35.29 | Cide | try to break it ;) |
| 16:35.32 | ScytheBlade1 | I will |
| 16:35.35 | ScytheBlade1 | On a seperate user ;) |
| 16:35.43 | Cide | I'm right here! |
| 16:35.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Your data. |
| 16:36.01 | Cide | I'll take the risk |
| 16:36.17 | Cide | >>> os.execute("format -f c:/") |
| 16:36.18 | Cide | Cide: [string "os.execute("format -f c:/")"]:1: attempt to call field 'execute' (a nil value) |
| 16:36.37 | ScytheBlade1 | You're on vista, that wouldn't work anyways :P |
| 16:36.44 | Cide | true :) |
| 16:37.05 | Cide | assuming I'm not running the process with elevated access! |
| 16:37.12 | *** join/#wowi-lounge cladbot (n=cladbot@cpe-74-71-116-245.twcny.res.rr.com) |
| 16:37.23 | ScytheBlade1 | They "fixed" format.exe as of 2000 |
| 16:37.25 | Cide | bah |
| 16:37.34 | cladbot | cide: you rock my world imo |
| 16:37.39 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 16:37.42 | Cide | it's true |
| 16:37.49 | cladbot | *lick* |
| 16:37.52 | *** join/#wowi-lounge amro__ (n=amro@82.101.184.226) |
| 16:38.01 | Cide | *moan* |
| 16:38.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Wow |
| 16:38.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Cybersex with your own creation. |
| 16:38.17 | clad|book | the bot i've been working on is really modular and the core bot only handles the most basic irc functions |
| 16:38.23 | MoonWolf | stop cybering the bots |
| 16:38.31 | clad|book | JOIN, PART, QUIT, PRIVMSG, NICK |
| 16:38.34 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm not sure if that's incest or not. |
| 16:38.37 | Cide | I haven't created cladbot actually |
| 16:38.49 | Cide | clad|book looked at the code but made his own version iirc |
| 16:38.52 | clad|book | yep |
| 16:38.53 | MoonWolf | suprisingly cladhaire made it. |
| 16:39.04 | clad|book | my sandbox is an entirely different concept than Cide's |
| 16:39.06 | clad|book | same net effect tho |
| 16:39.14 | Cide | I'd say yours is more well thought out :) |
| 16:39.18 | Kaelten | na we know clad|book can't code, he just fakes it really well |
| 16:39.22 | Cide | seeing as mine was more of an experiment from the start =/ |
| 16:39.26 | clad|book | Cide: I started already knowing all the issues you had run into =) |
| 16:39.29 | ScytheBlade1 | >>> print (os.date); |
| 16:39.29 | Cide | ScytheBlade1: nil |
| 16:39.30 | ScytheBlade1 | >>> print (os.date); |
| 16:39.30 | Cide | ScytheBlade1: nil |
| 16:39.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Err |
| 16:39.33 | clad|book | lua> os.date |
| 16:39.33 | cladbot | clad|book: function: 0x806cd80 |
| 16:39.35 | clad|book | lua> os.date() |
| 16:39.35 | cladbot | clad|book: Tue Jul 10 12:39:00 2007, |
| 16:39.44 | ScytheBlade1 | lua> os.date |
| 16:39.44 | cladbot | ScytheBlade1: function: 0x806cd80 |
| 16:39.48 | ScytheBlade1 | mmkay.. |
| 16:39.50 | Kaelten | lua> os.time() |
| 16:39.50 | cladbot | Kaelten: 1184085555, |
| 16:39.53 | ScytheBlade1 | That could be of use.. |
| 16:40.05 | clad|book | I stole Cide's serializer |
| 16:40.10 | clad|book | cause he said I could =) |
| 16:40.11 | Kaelten | lua> os.date("!%c") |
| 16:40.11 | cladbot | Kaelten: Tue Jul 10 16:39:36 2007, |
| 16:40.25 | clad|book | not the pickler tho, I haven't decided how I want to handle savedvariables |
| 16:40.29 | MoonWolf | no need to reinvent those things that work perfectly fine. |
| 16:40.43 | clad|book | lua> _G |
| 16:40.43 | cladbot | clad|book: { ["log"] = function: 0x806f880, ["wow"] = { ["strconcat"] = function: 0x80702e0, ["strtrim"] = function: 0x8070220, ["strsplit"] = function: 0x8070260, ["getglobal"] = function: 0x80a0cc0, ["strjoin"] = function: 0x80702a0, ["debugstack"] = function: 0x8... (result truncated) |
| 16:40.58 | MoonWolf | interesting. |
| 16:41.23 | MoonWolf | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:41.25 | Cide | I didn't write that myself |
| 16:41.28 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Cairen1 (n=Karen@CPE00045a2bfcbc-CM000f212f84be.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 16:41.28 | clad|book | lua> for k,v in pairs(_G) do print(k) end |
| 16:41.28 | cladbot | clad|book: log, wow, tostring, getn, gmatch, os, format, getfenv, randomseed, pairs, max, assert, tonumber, strsplit, load, _G, foreach, tan, cos, ceil, strupper, asin, loadstring, strlen, error, deg, sin, abs, string, xpcall, strchar, date, bit, _VERSION, getmetata... (result truncated) |
| 16:41.38 | clad|book | Cairen1: O hai! |
| 16:41.44 | Cide | I don't really like that concept anyway |
| 16:41.58 | clad|book | me neither, but it works, heh |
| 16:42.04 | Cide | maybe I should rewrite my lua bot! |
| 16:42.19 | MoonWolf | is it possible to create new functions in _G so others can use them ? |
| 16:42.27 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+o Cair] by ChanServ |
| 16:42.29 | clad|book | MoonWolf: not currently, no.. new session each time |
| 16:42.33 | clad|book | otherwise you could hose my memory |
| 16:42.37 | clad|book | and i'd have no idea what to GC and what not to |
| 16:42.42 | MoonWolf | well, i did not intent to, but yes i could |
| 16:42.51 | clad|book | Cide: You should join forces with me and make a truly robust bot =) |
| 16:43.05 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Legorol (i=Legorol@zr205.trin.cam.ac.uk) |
| 16:43.11 | Cide | >>> SV.foo = function() print("hi, I'm a function stored through sessions") end |
| 16:43.12 | Cide | Cide: nil |
| 16:43.14 | Cide | >>> SV.foo() |
| 16:43.14 | Cide | Cide: "hi, I'm a function stored through sessions" |
| 16:43.23 | ScytheBlade1 | >>> local testFunction = 0x806cd80; |
| 16:43.24 | Cide | ScytheBlade1: nil |
| 16:43.31 | ScytheBlade1 | >>> local testFunction = 0x806cd80; print (testFunction); |
| 16:43.32 | Cide | ScytheBlade1: 134663552 |
| 16:43.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Bah ;P |
| 16:43.37 | MoonWolf | no, someone brilliant needs to add the ability to write lua plugins to xchat. |
| 16:43.42 | clad|book | Cide: Do you just let anything get stored? or just functions? |
| 16:44.07 | Cide | all values that the pickle code supports |
| 16:44.12 | Cide | I added function support myself though |
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| 16:44.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Is there any way I can assign a function to a position in the memory? |
| 16:44.23 | clad|book | Cide: so you let the table blow up? |
| 16:44.23 | ScytheBlade1 | and/or walk the memory? |
| 16:44.27 | abug | protected function exploit wasn't fixed yet? |
| 16:44.31 | Cide | clad|book: yeah |
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| 16:44.45 | Kaso | Im still confused as to why Cide's bot doesnt allow my function modifiing function, but my stand alone lua version does. |
| 16:44.46 | clad|book | >>> SV.poo = {} for i=1,1e5 do SV.poo[i] = function() end end |
| 16:44.48 | Cide | clad|book: nil |
| 16:44.54 | clad|book | >>> gcinfo() |
| 16:44.58 | Cide | clad|book: 34029 |
| 16:44.59 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+o Cair] by ChanServ |
| 16:45.03 | clad|book | lol |
| 16:45.08 | Cide | :) |
| 16:45.09 | clad|book | >>> SV.poo = nil |
| 16:45.13 | Cide | clad|book: nil |
| 16:45.17 | clad|book | >>> collectgarbage("collect") gcinfo() |
| 16:45.20 | Cide | clad|book: nil |
| 16:45.34 | Cide | doesn't allow you to delete stuff at the moment, hehe |
| 16:45.39 | clad|book | orly |
| 16:45.45 | Cide | >>> gcinfo() |
| 16:45.49 | Cide | Cide: 34029 |
| 16:45.51 | Cide | >>> SV.poo = false; collectgarbage("collect") |
| 16:45.53 | Cide | Cide: nil |
| 16:45.55 | Cide | >>> gcinfo() |
| 16:45.56 | Cide | Cide: 60 |
| 16:46.19 | Cide | can only add or modify stuff, not delete |
| 16:46.41 | clad|book | lua> SV.poo = true |
| 16:46.41 | cladbot | clad|book: |
| 16:46.43 | clad|book | lua> SV.poo |
| 16:46.43 | cladbot | clad|book: true |
| 16:46.48 | Cide | which I guess is an arbitrary limitation since you can still walk the table and set everything to false if you want to |
| 16:47.40 | clad|book | lua> function SV.newapi() local t = {} for k,v in pairs(_G) do table.insert(t, k) end local o = "" for i=1,3 do o .. t[math.random(#t)] end return o end |
| 16:47.40 | cladbot | clad|book: sandbox.lua:237: Compilation failed: [string "function SV.newapi() local t = {} for k,v in pairs(_G) do table..."]:1: '=' expected near '..' |
| 16:47.57 | clad|book | lua> function SV.newapi() local t = {} for k,v in pairs(_G) do table.insert(t, k) end local o = "" for i=1,3 do o = o .. t[math.random(#t)] end return o end |
| 16:47.58 | cladbot | clad|book: |
| 16:48.03 | clad|book | lua> SV.newapi() |
| 16:48.04 | cladbot | clad|book: foreachacostonumber, |
| 16:48.48 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Funkeh` (n=funkydud@host81-129-23-146.range81-129.btcentralplus.com) |
| 16:48.57 | clad|book | >>> for k,v in pairs(SV) do print(k) end |
| 16:48.58 | Cide | clad|book: "GetRandomArgument", "Cide_domath", "poo", "mathwithops", "domathpart", "mathops", "Shirik_domath", "mathopsmeta", "somenum", "SV", "replace", "foo" |
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| 16:49.36 | ScytheBlade1 | >>> print(os.date); |
| 16:49.37 | Cide | ScytheBlade1: nil |
| 16:49.45 | ScytheBlade1 | >>> print (os.date); |
| 16:49.45 | Cide | ScytheBlade1: nil |
| 16:49.48 | ScytheBlade1 | ? |
| 16:49.55 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 16:49.57 | ScytheBlade1 | time |
| 16:49.59 | ScytheBlade1 | >>> print (os.time); |
| 16:50.00 | Cide | ScytheBlade1: function: 002291C8 |
| 16:50.11 | clad|book | lua> SV.GetRandomArgument(1,2,3,4,5) |
| 16:50.11 | cladbot | clad|book: 4, 5, |
| 16:50.15 | clad|book | eek =) |
| 16:51.14 | clad|book | lua> SV.GetRandomArgument(1,2,3,4,5) |
| 16:51.15 | cladbot | clad|book: 1, |
| 16:51.17 | clad|book | lua> SV.GetRandomArgument(1,2,3,4,5) |
| 16:51.17 | cladbot | clad|book: 3, |
| 16:51.19 | clad|book | there we go |
| 16:51.35 | ScytheBlade1 | >>> print (os); |
| 16:51.36 | Cide | ScytheBlade1: { ["clock"] = function: 001E87B0, ["time"] = function: 001E91C8 } (#1) |
| 16:51.42 | ScytheBlade1 | ! |
| 16:51.56 | abug | >>> print _G |
| 16:51.57 | Cide | abug: [string "print _G"]:1: '=' expected near '_G' |
| 16:52.11 | abug | >>> print (_G) |
| 16:52.12 | Cide | abug: { ["log"] = function: 002C9E70, ["wow"] = { ["strconcat"] = function: 002CAA80, ["strtrim"] = function: 002CA9E0, ["debugstack"] = function: 002CAAE0, ["getglobal"] = function: 002CAAA0, ["setglobal"]... (exceeded 200 characters) |
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| 16:53.20 | abug | >>> print(wow.ToggleAutoRun) |
| 16:53.21 | Cide | abug: nil |
| 16:54.08 | clad|book | >>> print("purl, poop on cladhaire") |
| 16:54.09 | Cide | clad|book: "purl, poop on cladhaire" |
| 16:54.27 | clad|book | Cide: what issue did we have with purl back in the day? |
| 16:54.37 | abug | >>> wow = nil |
| 16:54.37 | Cide | abug: nil |
| 16:54.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Cide, what lua version are you running? And did you hand compile it, or no? |
| 16:54.46 | abug | >>> print wow |
| 16:54.46 | Cide | abug: [string "print wow"]:1: '=' expected near 'wow' |
| 16:54.49 | *** join/#wowi-lounge ravagernl (n=chatzill@85.148.20.110) |
| 16:54.56 | abug | >>> print(wow) |
| 16:54.56 | Cide | abug: { ["strconcat"] = function: 001EAA80, ["strtrim"] = function: 001EA9E0, ["debugstack"] = function: 001EAAE0, ["getglobal"] = function: 001EAAA0, ["setglobal"] = function: 001EAAC0, ["strjoin"] = funct... (exceeded 200 characters) |
| 16:55.10 | abug | >>> print(setmetatable) |
| 16:55.11 | Cide | abug: function: 00161740 |
| 16:55.12 | clad|book | ScytheBlade1: its cogwheel's lua 5.1.1wow source |
| 16:55.12 | Cide | ScytheBlade1: running cog|work's binary |
| 16:55.16 | Cide | >>> __VERSION |
| 16:55.16 | Cide | Cide: nil |
| 16:55.20 | Cide | >>> _VERSION |
| 16:55.21 | Cide | Cide: "Lua 5.1" |
| 16:55.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Ack |
| 16:55.30 | ScytheBlade1 | That modified at all? |
| 16:55.33 | Cide | yes |
| 16:55.40 | Cide | clad|book: people trying to create bots |
| 16:55.48 | Cide | s/bots/botwars/ |
| 16:55.52 | clad|book | yeah, but what triggered it |
| 16:56.00 | clad|book | does purl respond to something mid line? |
| 16:56.03 | Cide | clad|book: having purl react on "purl" \"hi\"" |
| 16:56.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Err, is your binary modified at all from his? |
| 16:56.06 | Cide | for example |
| 16:56.08 | Cide | err |
| 16:56.14 | Cide | clad|book: having purl react on "purl: \"hi\"" |
| 16:56.23 | clad|book | purl: cladhaire |
| 16:56.24 | purl | cladhaire is probably the current author of WatchDog, PerfectRaid, and a number of smaller addons. He is also a core developer of the Ace project. People in #wowace also know him as 'Mr. Lightningfingers.' To find cladhaire, one should look on wowinterface, as he no longer frequents the wowace channel or forum. |
| 16:56.44 | clad|book | but with the prefixing of the username, that shouldn't be an issue anymore |
| 16:56.51 | clad|book | lua> print("purl: cide") |
| 16:56.51 | cladbot | clad|book: purl: cide |
| 16:56.57 | Cide | it should |
| 16:57.02 | abug | lua> print(_G) |
| 16:57.02 | cladbot | abug: { ["log"] = function: 0x806f880, ["wow"] = { ["strconcat"] = function: 0x80702e0, ["strtrim"] = function: 0x8070220, ["strsplit"] = function: 0x8070260, ["getglobal"] = function: 0x80a0280, ["strjoin"] = function: 0x80702a0, ["debugstack"] = function: 0x8... (result truncated) |
| 16:57.04 | Cide | since I could do |
| 16:57.07 | clad|book | lua> print("~Cide") |
| 16:57.07 | cladbot | clad|book: ~Cide |
| 16:57.08 | Cide | ~say_hi_to_cladhaire |
| 16:57.22 | Cide | which makes purl say hi to cladbot |
| 16:57.26 | Cide | or whatever |
| 16:57.29 | clad|book | ah yes. |
| 16:57.31 | Cair | OT: Fifty-one years ago, Herman James, a North Carolina mountain man, was drafted by the Army. On his first day in basic training, the Army issued him a comb. That afternoon the Army barber sheared off all his hair. On his second day, the Army issued Herman a toothbrush. That afternoon the Army dentist yanked seven of his teeth. On the third day, the Army issued him a jock strap. The Army has been looking for Herman for 51 years. |
| 16:57.35 | clad|book | there we go, couldn't see it. |
| 16:57.48 | abug | lua> wow = { }; |
| 16:57.48 | cladbot | abug: |
| 16:57.58 | abug | lua> print(wow) |
| 16:57.58 | cladbot | abug: { ["strconcat"] = function: 0x80702e0, ["strtrim"] = function: 0x8070220, ["strsplit"] = function: 0x8070260, ["getglobal"] = function: 0x80a0a80, ["strjoin"] = function: 0x80702a0, ["debugstack"] = function: 0x80703a0, ["setglobal"] = function: 0x80a0a60... (result truncated) |
| 16:58.15 | zenzelezz | Cair: o_O |
| 16:58.21 | Cair | hehehe |
| 16:58.38 | Cair | saw it in one of my other channels - thought you guys might get a chuckle out of it |
| 16:58.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Bah |
| 16:59.19 | Cair | One day, a man came home and was greeted by his wife dressed in a very Sexy nightie. "Tie me up," she purred, "and you can do anything you want." So he tied her up and went golfing. |
| 16:59.40 | clad|book | hehe |
| 16:59.55 | Cair | Marriage is a relationship in which one person is always right, and the other is a husband. |
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| 17:02.58 | abug | will it break? |
| 17:03.16 | abug | >>> setmetatable(_G, {__index = function(t, k) return t.k end}) |
| 17:03.17 | Cide | abug: { ["log"] = function: 00169E70, ["wow"] = { ["strconcat"] = function: 0016AA80, ["strtrim"] = function: 0016A9E0, ["debugstack"] = function: 0016AAE0, ["getglobal"] = function: 0016AAA0, ["setglobal"]... (exceeded 200 characters) |
| 17:03.32 | abug | that's a weird response |
| 17:03.55 | abug | >>> _G["hi"] = 1 |
| 17:03.55 | Cide | abug: nil |
| 17:04.31 | |FF|Im2good4u | abug: u are good at confuseh me :P |
| 17:04.56 | abug | that should've caused a nasty stack overflow |
| 17:05.08 | abug | instead it printed the contents of _G |
| 17:05.30 | clad|book | no, the function returned _G |
| 17:05.33 | |FF|Im2good4u | lol |
| 17:05.34 | clad|book | which means Cide printed it |
| 17:06.05 | Cide | >>> foo = { }; assert(setmetatable(foo, { }) == foo) |
| 17:06.06 | Cide | Cide: nil |
| 17:06.16 | clad|book | *shrug* |
| 17:06.20 | clad|book | hehe mine does the same |
| 17:06.27 | Cide | you're correct |
| 17:06.30 | Cide | the assertion didn't fail |
| 17:06.33 | clad|book | ah yes |
| 17:06.34 | clad|book | heh |
| 17:07.09 | |FF|Im2good4u | :? this is confusing luastuff |
| 17:07.21 | Cide | setmetatable(x, y) returns x |
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| 17:08.06 | clad|book | thought so |
| 17:08.24 | clad|book | Oh.. if anyone uses Mac OS X.. I highly suggest Vienna as an RSS reader |
| 17:08.30 | Cide | abug: but no, it wouldn't break :) |
| 17:08.39 | abug | well it breaks wow =) |
| 17:08.50 | Cide | >>> setmetatable(_G, {__index = function(t, k) return t.k end}) return _G.hi |
| 17:08.51 | Cide | Cide: [string "setmetatable(_G, {__index = function(t, k) ..."]:1: C stack overflow |
| 17:08.53 | abug | sometimes even skips the error dialog |
| 17:09.03 | abug | just plain crashes |
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| 17:10.03 | clad|book | >>> for k,v in pairs(_G) do print(k:sub(1,1)) end |
| 17:10.03 | Cide | clad|book: "l", "w", "t", "g", "g", "o", "f", "g", "f", "p", "m", "a", "t", "l", "a", "_", "S", "f", "t", "c", "c", "c", "s", "a", "l", "S", "s", "d", "s", "s", "g", "s", "x", "t... (exceeded 200 characters) |
| 17:10.17 | clad|book | >>> local o = "" for k,v in pairs(_G) do o = o .. k:sub(1,1) end |
| 17:10.17 | Cide | clad|book: nil |
| 17:10.21 | clad|book | >>> local o = "" for k,v in pairs(_G) do o = o .. k:sub(1,1) end return o |
| 17:10.22 | Cide | clad|book: "lwtggofgfpmatla_SftcccsalSsdssgsxtdb_sssdtgsssssngrsidmrscanssetasrsfptrmrpumtllsfsrgsaade" |
| 17:10.30 | Cide | haha |
| 17:10.49 | Cide | my bot is drunk =/ |
| 17:10.53 | clad|book | hahaha |
| 17:11.18 | clad|away | i'm gonna go dye my hair red |
| 17:11.28 | clad|away | bbiab |
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| 17:15.25 | abug | >>> rawset(_G, "wow", nil) return _G.wow |
| 17:15.25 | Cide | abug: nil |
| 17:15.33 | abug | >>> return _G.wow |
| 17:15.33 | Cide | abug: { ["strconcat"] = function: 0099AA80, ["strtrim"] = function: 0099A9E0, ["debugstack"] = function: 0099AAE0, ["getglobal"] = function: 0099AAA0, ["setglobal"] = function: 0099AAC0, ["strjoin"] = funct... (exceeded 200 characters) |
| 17:15.50 | foxlit | No persistance! |
| 17:16.19 | abug | bummer |
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| 17:23.48 | abug | >>> return coroutine |
| 17:23.48 | Cide | abug: { ["resume"] = function: 00281960, ["yield"] = function: 00281A60, ["status"] = function: 002819E0, ["wrap"] = function: 002893D0, ["create"] = function: 002893A0, ["running"] = function: 002819A0 } (... (exceeded 200 characters) |
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| 17:33.27 | |FF|Im2good4u | maybe u should remove those memory adresses of your bot since they are quite useless :P |
| 17:33.56 | foxlit | Why? Coroutines are <3 |
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| 17:37.28 | abug | >>> return collectgarbage |
| 17:37.29 | Cide | abug: function: 003A6A80 |
| 17:37.44 | Cide | I only remove harmful stuff |
| 17:37.58 | cog|work | |FF|Im2good4u: that's lua's intended behavior |
| 17:38.15 | Cide | haven't seen anything harmful come out of coroutines yet (except for the whole overflow deal that's fixed in the next version of lua) |
| 17:38.40 | |FF|Im2good4u | >>> for k,v in pairs(_G) do print(CreateFrame("Button","LoL",UIParent)) end |
| 17:38.41 | Cide | |FF|Im2good4u: [string "for k,v in pairs(_G) do print(CreateFrame("..."]:1: attempt to call global 'CreateFrame' (a nil value) |
| 17:39.00 | abug | >>> return wow.CreateFrame |
| 17:39.00 | Cide | abug: nil |
| 17:39.02 | abug | fail |
| 17:39.29 | |FF|Im2good4u | right i gues that considered as harmfull :P |
| 17:39.51 | zenzelezz | CreateFrame is a WoW function, not a lua function |
| 17:40.26 | Cide | hence it wasn't removed, it just wasn't added :P |
| 17:40.49 | abug | removal by omission |
| 17:41.05 | Cide | technically |
| 17:41.09 | |FF|Im2good4u | but i did add some "wow" stuff |
| 17:41.29 | Cide | right, but only useful 'utility' functions that cog|work added |
| 17:41.37 | Cide | it doesn't implement the whole user interface :P |
| 17:42.09 | cog|work | |FF|Im2good4u: the only functions that have been added are "library-like" |
| 17:42.32 | cog|work | They're wow-specific, but not unique to WoW |
| 17:43.01 | |FF|Im2good4u | oke :P |
| 17:45.07 | abug | >>> print(-nil) |
| 17:45.12 | Cide | abug: |
| 17:45.19 | Cide | heh, that errored Lua.exe |
| 17:45.22 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 17:45.22 | abug | win |
| 17:45.30 | Cide | didn't break the bot though ;) |
| 17:45.33 | abug | rats |
| 17:45.51 | |FF|Im2good4u | hehe ill try the in wow :P |
| 17:46.20 | |FF|Im2good4u | doesnt work in lua |
| 17:49.28 | |FF|Im2good4u | is there any event that gets fired when when u get saved ? |
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| 17:50.12 | TS|Skrom | I need a little help with string finds again... : in the string: Stoneclaw Totem II, I'm trying to just pull Stoneclaw Totem, I'm currently trying string.find("Stoneclaw Totem II","$.+Totem") and it's nil... I imagine I'm using .+ wrong, any tips? |
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| 17:51.46 | |FF|Im2good4u | string.find("Stoneclaw Totem II","(.*Totem)") |
| 17:51.47 | Elkano | string.find("Stoneclaw Totem II","$(.+)Totem") |
| 17:52.01 | Elkano | oh, jeah, ) behiond Totem |
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| 17:52.59 | ckknight | Elkano: $ means end, not beginning, that's ^ |
| 17:53.11 | TS|Skrom | that would do it then >< |
| 17:53.21 | |FF|Im2good4u | so i was correct HAHA ! |
| 17:53.21 | Elkano | string.find("Stoneclaw Totem II","^(.+Totem)") |
| 17:53.28 | TS|Skrom | freakin' a... thanks |
| 17:53.29 | Elkano | ckknight, too much c&p ^^ |
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| 17:56.51 | abug | >>> return {ü = 1} |
| 17:57.10 | abug | lua> return {ü = 1} |
| 17:57.10 | cladbot | abug: sandbox.lua:244: Compilation failed: [string "return {ü = 1}"]:1: unexpected symbol near 'ü' |
| 17:57.18 | abug | return {["ü"] = 1} |
| 17:57.23 | Elkano | lua> string.find("Stoneclaw Totem II","^(.+Totem)") |
| 17:57.24 | cladbot | Elkano: 1, 15, Stoneclaw Totem, |
| 17:57.25 | abug | lua> return {["ü"] = 1} |
| 17:57.25 | cladbot | abug: { ["ü"] = 1 } (#9) |
| 17:57.33 | Cide | sorry, got my bot disabled for a bit |
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| 17:57.54 | krka | lua> os.execute("rm -rf /") |
| 17:57.54 | cladbot | krka: [string "os.execute("rm -rf /")"]:1: attempt to call field 'execute' (a nil value) |
| 17:58.21 | |FF|Im2good4u | lua> string.find("Stoneclaw Totem II","(.*Totem)") |
| 17:58.22 | cladbot | |FF|Im2good4u: 1, 15, Stoneclaw Totem, |
| 17:58.23 | krka | lua> function f(s) return s .. s end f(".") |
| 17:58.24 | cladbot | krka: |
| 17:58.28 | |FF|Im2good4u | haha mine works aswel :P |
| 17:58.42 | krka | lua> function f(s) return s .. s end return f(".") |
| 17:58.43 | cladbot | krka: .. |
| 17:59.13 | krka | lua> function f(s) return f(s) .. f(s) end return f(".") |
| 17:59.14 | cladbot | krka: sandbox.lua:139: stack overflow |
| 17:59.31 | krka | lua> s = "." while 1 do s=s..s end return s |
| 17:59.32 | cladbot | krka: sandbox.lua:143: maximum memory (5000 KiB) exceeded |
| 17:59.44 | |FF|Im2good4u | LoL |
| 18:00.06 | abug | lua> a = function(a) coroutine.wrap(a)(a) end a(a) |
| 18:00.06 | cladbot | abug: [string "a = function(a) coroutine.wrap(a)(a) end a(..."]:1: attempt to index global 'coroutine' (a nil value) |
| 18:00.25 | abug | yeah I stole that from the bugs list |
| 18:00.54 | |FF|Im2good4u | lua> s = 10 while 1 do s=s-1 end return s |
| 18:00.55 | abug | lua> print(_G) |
| 18:00.59 | cladbot | |FF|Im2good4u: sandbox.lua:140: maximum execution time (5s) exceeded |
| 18:00.59 | cladbot | abug: { ["log"] = function: 0x806f880, ["wow"] = { ["strconcat"] = function: 0x80702e0, ["strtrim"] = function: 0x8070220, ["strsplit"] = function: 0x8070260, ["getglobal"] = function: 0x80a0da0, ["strjoin"] = function: 0x80702a0, ["debugstack"] = function: 0x8... (result truncated) |
| 18:01.34 | abug | lua> print(wow) |
| 18:01.35 | cladbot | abug: { ["strconcat"] = function: 0x80702e0, ["strtrim"] = function: 0x8070220, ["strsplit"] = function: 0x8070260, ["getglobal"] = function: 0x809b220, ["strjoin"] = function: 0x80702a0, ["debugstack"] = function: 0x80703a0, ["setglobal"] = function: 0x809b200... (result truncated) |
| 18:01.41 | |FF|Im2good4u | >>> s = 10 while 1 do s=s-1 end return s |
| 18:03.38 | abug | what's the max float size for lua? |
| 18:04.44 | |FF|Im2good4u | try it :P |
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| 18:04.53 | Cide | lua> 10^99 |
| 18:04.53 | cladbot | Cide: 1e+99 |
| 18:04.55 | Cide | lua> 10^100 |
| 18:04.55 | cladbot | Cide: 1e+100 |
| 18:05.03 | Cide | lua> math |
| 18:05.03 | cladbot | Cide: <table: #8> |
| 18:05.09 | Cide | lua> print(math) |
| 18:05.09 | cladbot | Cide: <table: #8> |
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| 18:05.17 | |FF|Im2good4u | o0? |
| 18:05.18 | Cide | lua> for k, v in pairs(math) do print k end |
| 18:05.18 | cladbot | Cide: sandbox.lua:244: Compilation failed: [string "for k, v in pairs(math) do print k end"]:1: '=' expected near 'k' |
| 18:05.25 | Cide | lua> for k, v in pairs(math) do print(k) end |
| 18:05.25 | cladbot | Cide: log, acos, huge, ldexp, pi, cos, tanh, pow, deg, tan, cosh, sinh, random, randomseed, frexp, ceil, floor, rad, abs, sqrt, modf, asin, min, max, fmod, log10, atan2, exp, sin, atan |
| 18:05.56 | abug | lua> print(math.pi) |
| 18:05.57 | cladbot | abug: 3.1415926535898 |
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| 18:06.22 | |FF|Im2good4u | lua> print(math.pi*100) |
| 18:06.23 | cladbot | |FF|Im2good4u: 314.15926535898 |
| 18:06.41 | Cide | lua> local n, i = 10^99, 99; while ( n != math.huge ) do n = n * 10; i = i + 1 end return i |
| 18:06.42 | cladbot | Cide: sandbox.lua:244: Compilation failed: [string "local n, i = 10^99, 99; while ( n != math.huge ) do n = n * 10;..."]:1: ')' expected near '!' |
| 18:06.57 | Cide | lua> local n, i = 10^99, 99; while ( n ~= math.huge ) do n = n * 10; i = i + 1 end return i |
| 18:06.58 | cladbot | Cide: 309 |
| 18:06.59 | Cide | I fail at lua syntax =/ |
| 18:07.09 | Cide | lua> 10^309 |
| 18:07.10 | cladbot | Cide: inf |
| 18:07.11 | |FF|Im2good4u | lua> print(math.huge) |
| 18:07.12 | Cide | lua> 10^308 |
| 18:07.12 | cladbot | |FF|Im2good4u: inf |
| 18:07.12 | cladbot | Cide: 1e+308 |
| 18:07.24 | Josh_Borke | hi |
| 18:08.36 | |FF|Im2good4u | lua> print(math.huge - 1) |
| 18:08.37 | cladbot | |FF|Im2good4u: inf |
| 18:09.19 | abug | lua> -nil |
| 18:09.19 | cladbot | abug: [string "return -nil"]:1: attempt to perform arithmetic on a nil value |
| 18:09.28 | abug | lua> print(-nil) |
| 18:09.28 | cladbot | abug: [string "print(-nil)"]:1: attempt to perform arithmetic on a nil value |
| 18:09.37 | Cide | lua> return -nil |
| 18:09.38 | cladbot | Cide: [string "return -nil"]:1: attempt to perform arithmetic on a nil value |
| 18:09.43 | abug | interesting |
| 18:09.44 | Cide | cladbot > me apparently |
| 18:10.12 | Elkano | lua> string.rep(".", 3) |
| 18:10.13 | cladbot | Elkano: ..., |
| 18:10.23 | |FF|Im2good4u | LoL |
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| 18:10.34 | Elkano | lua> string.rep(sting.rep(".",3), 3) |
| 18:10.34 | cladbot | Elkano: [string "string.rep(sting.rep(".",3), 3)"]:1: attempt to index global 'sting' (a nil value) |
| 18:10.40 | Elkano | lua> string.rep(string.rep(".",3), 3) |
| 18:10.40 | cladbot | Elkano: ........., |
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| 18:11.12 | Elkano | (lua)> string.rep(string.rep(".",1000), 1000) |
| 18:11.21 | |FF|Im2good4u | lua> string.rep("!",math.huge) |
| 18:11.21 | cladbot | |FF|Im2good4u: , |
| 18:11.35 | Elkano | I wonder if that (or was it larger values) would still work |
| 18:13.06 | Elkano | lua> string.rep(string.rep(".",1000), 1000) |
| 18:13.09 | cladbot | Elkano: .................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................. (result truncated) |
| 18:13.16 | abug | lua> wow.PlaySoundFile |
| 18:13.17 | cladbot | abug: nil |
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| 18:13.51 | |FF|Im2good4u | lua> ">>> return lua> lol" |
| 18:14.03 | Elkano | ups, I think I killed it :( |
| 18:14.33 | |FF|Im2good4u | neh it worked for abug i think i killed it |
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| 18:15.13 | Cide | type some stuff |
| 18:15.16 | |FF|Im2good4u | lua> print(">>> print(\"lua> lol\")") |
| 18:15.26 | abug | after it disconnected? |
| 18:16.03 | Cide | testing other stuff |
| 18:16.11 | Cide | not related to clad's bot |
| 18:16.45 | |FF|Im2good4u | anyway back to normal ui coding.. is there any event that fires when u get "saved" to an instace ? |
| 18:17.39 | Cide | |FF|Im2good4u: CHAT_MSG_SYSTEM I'm sure |
| 18:18.09 | |FF|Im2good4u | oke not quite the event i expected :P |
| 18:18.18 | zenzelezz | why not? |
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| 18:19.09 | |FF|Im2good4u | becase i expected more of an event about "RAID_INFO_CHANGED" not a chat message :P |
| 18:20.10 | Cide | there may be other events too |
| 18:20.11 | Cide | www.wowwiki.com |
| 18:20.13 | Cide | have at it |
| 18:20.20 | zenzelezz | if you don't trust our guesses, use DevTools's /dtchatevent |
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| 18:20.39 | |FF|Im2good4u | no its not that i dont trust you guys :P |
| 18:20.51 | |FF|Im2good4u | ill got to test ti next thursday whne i get saved :P |
| 18:21.17 | zenzelezz | just do a heroic :-p |
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| 18:25.35 | zenzelezz | so I hear they "broke" orc shoulders in 2.1.3 |
| 18:27.45 | |FF|Im2good4u | great |
| 18:27.59 | |FF|Im2good4u | the more horde stuff they break the better |
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| 18:32.21 | ScytheBlade1 | hahaha @ "<]> i burned rick astley's greatest hits and rick rolled my coworkers on the way to lunch today |
| 18:32.21 | ScytheBlade1 | " |
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| 18:34.08 | Kaso | That fills me with confused emotions |
| 18:34.35 | Kaso | on one had its pretty damn cool, on the other, rick rolling is the stupidest thing to have ever come from the depths of the internet we call 4chan. |
| 18:34.51 | ScytheBlade1 | That guy is a /b/ addict :P |
| 18:34.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Well, a 4chan addict |
| 18:35.01 | ScytheBlade1 | So, it fits |
| 18:35.04 | Lunessa | ... rick-rolling the unsuspecting earns you 5 Evil Points. |
| 18:35.28 | Kaso | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:38.40 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 18:38.40 | ScytheBlade1 | <]> i'm gonna do it to my roommate |
| 18:38.40 | ScytheBlade1 | <]> replace all his mp3s w/ modded versions that go into 'never gonna give you up' 30 seconds in |
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| 18:41.02 | ScytheBlade1 | <Cu-Ius> I suggest you don't make backups |
| 18:41.03 | ScytheBlade1 | <]> lol |
| 18:41.03 | ScytheBlade1 | <Cu-Ius> if he asks, blame the riaa |
| 18:41.28 | Valaron|Work | Never Gonna Give You Up? Rick Astly's song? |
| 18:41.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Read up a bit |
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| 18:42.02 | Valaron|Work | Ok. |
| 18:42.13 | Valaron|Work | Now I got that song stuck in my head. |
| 18:42.16 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 18:42.56 | Lunessa | I sense a great disturbance in the force... |
| 18:43.04 | MoonWolf | blup |
| 18:43.37 | Cide | I sense that dots will be affected by resilience, /cheer |
| 18:43.56 | MoonWolf | omg |
| 18:44.04 | MoonWolf | that would be so imba, and so bad for warlocks |
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| 18:44.13 | Cide | it's going in |
| 18:44.16 | Cide | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=174832155&pageNo=8&sid=1#153 |
| 18:44.29 | Cide | and http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=174832155&sid=1&pageNo=9#169 |
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| 18:46.13 | Kaso | I do hope it is an accebtably small factor that dots are affected |
| 18:46.19 | Kaso | *by it |
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| 18:51.51 | TS|Skrom | item transfers between alts is instant now? |
| 18:52.25 | Lunessa | TS|Skrom: What? It wasn't last night. |
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| 18:53.05 | Kaso | Returning items in the mailbox is instant, could that be what oyu are confusing TS|Skrom |
| 18:53.38 | TS|Skrom | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=174632600&sid=1 |
| 18:53.48 | TS|Skrom | post 17 |
| 18:53.50 | TS|Skrom | looking for confirm |
| 18:55.23 | Lunessa | *boggle* |
| 18:56.12 | TS|Skrom | *gasp* it is! |
| 18:56.16 | TS|Skrom | I just tested it. |
| 18:56.20 | Kaso | Wow |
| 18:56.21 | Kaso | awesome |
| 18:56.51 | TS|Skrom | sent two pearls from one toon to another and it's there :) |
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| 19:00.41 | |Jelly|afk | Whew. That was close. |
| 19:01.02 | TS|Skrom | O.o |
| 19:01.08 | |Jelly| | Account frozen. I thought the world might implode. |
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| 19:02.04 | Kaso | hmm? |
| 19:02.08 | Kaso | implode? |
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| 19:02.55 | TS|Skrom | heh, anyone else use HeyFu? |
| 19:04.03 | Elkano | Skrom, is that from PTR or was there a patch? |
| 19:04.31 | Gnancy | i do TS|Skrom |
| 19:07.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Haha |
| 19:07.40 | ScytheBlade1 | He did it |
| 19:07.41 | ScytheBlade1 | <]> for i in $(ls mp3dir); do lame --decode $i - | dd bs=1024 count=<whatever 30 sec is in kbps> | cat - rick-astley.wav | lame -r -s 44.1 -S -q 2 -v - $i ; done |
| 19:08.14 | TS|Skrom | patch Elkano |
| 19:08.18 | TS|Skrom | I'm on life and did it |
| 19:08.35 | TS|Skrom | Gnancy ?? |
| 19:08.41 | TS|Skrom | life = live |
| 19:08.56 | deltron | man |
| 19:09.14 | deltron | I wish my cellphone provider was GSM |
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| 19:14.17 | Peoii | Anyone in a higher end raiding guild (Hyjal/BT or hell, atleast Vashj killing) guild that has an arcane spec'd mage in said guild that holds well in overall dmg output? (Curious about looking at their spec/gear) |
| 19:15.25 | Peoii | I was playing with it, and it looks promising, it's just atm the armory is a complete pita to search thru for information on this :/ |
| 19:16.08 | amro | anyone else having problems with the blizzard downloader under wine? |
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| 19:18.47 | Cide | finally got somewhere with this lua bot stuff |
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| 19:19.18 | Elkano | where? |
| 19:19.20 | Cide | or so I thought |
| 19:21.35 | abug|afk | >>> print("Hello") |
| 19:21.35 | Cide | abug|afk: print("Hello") |
| 19:21.52 | abug|afk | my head hurts |
| 19:22.03 | Cide | it's not a working lua bot yet! |
| 19:22.32 | abug | it regressed in the last two hours? |
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| 19:22.40 | Cide | I'm recoding it |
| 19:22.56 | abug | trying to beat clad? |
| 19:23.00 | Cide | nah |
| 19:23.02 | Cide | not a competition |
| 19:23.10 | Cide | but mine was ugly so it was time for a recode |
| 19:23.33 | Elkano | wasn't clad's based on cide's? |
| 19:23.42 | Cide | kinda |
| 19:23.46 | Cide | he wrote it himself though |
| 19:23.59 | KarlThePagan | god the armory always fucks up firefox |
| 19:24.15 | zenzelezz | not for me |
| 19:24.32 | Kaso | Armory makes my firefox go painfully slow |
| 19:24.51 | abug | lua> SpontaneouslyCombust() |
| 19:25.01 | abug | aw never came back |
| 19:25.05 | KarlThePagan | zenzelezz, tell it to my recovered session :P |
| 19:25.50 | Kaso | Does anyone know an addon that shows just the icon of spells that are currently on cooldown? |
| 19:26.24 | Lunessa | Jim's Cooldown Pulse? |
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| 19:26.56 | abug | Dotimer? |
| 19:27.06 | Kaso | DoTimer has bars and text and whatnot |
| 19:27.13 | abug | it has a mode with just icons |
| 19:27.14 | Kaso | Lunessa, that Jim's one looks good |
| 19:27.37 | Kaso | Hmm, ok thans ill take a look |
| 19:27.58 | Lunessa | It does. I tried it out a while ago, but it needed some work, and I wasn't up to doing it. I think it's been updated recently though. |
| 19:29.39 | abug | anyone have an old copy of fast travel or something similar? |
| 19:30.18 | Kaso | You mean the addon that automatically steared you around the map? |
| 19:30.18 | abug | yeah that one |
| 19:30.31 | Kaso | No, but man, that brings back memories |
| 19:30.39 | Kaso | ah the good old days |
| 19:32.55 | abug | http://wow-en.curse-gaming.com/downloads/details/722/ |
| 19:33.52 | Kaso | man i dispise the curse picture viewer thing |
| 19:34.27 | foxlit | It's awesome! |
| 19:34.42 | foxlit | But not needed at the same time |
| 19:34.56 | Josh_Borke | why do you despise it? |
| 19:35.14 | Kaso | Cos i like to middle click all the pictures to open them up in tabs to view em |
| 19:35.18 | Kaso | But it infereres with that |
| 19:38.29 | Kaso | My Fav Auto-travel thing was this addon i had that walked you off the zeplin when it arrived at the destination so you could go afk and not go around in circles |
| 19:43.10 | foxlit | That's so nice! |
| 19:43.45 | foxlit | Clearly needed a nerf |
| 19:46.29 | Kaso | well it did to be honest, when you can script the movments of charaters within the game, its like begging people to write bots |
| 19:47.08 | foxlit | Shut it down in combat :P |
| 19:47.59 | Kaso | bots dont need to move in combat? |
| 19:48.10 | Kaso | they move until they find the mob, then they stop and kill it |
| 19:48.40 | foxlit | That'd be a pretty sad bot |
| 19:49.09 | Kaso | hu why? |
| 19:49.33 | foxlit | Being stuck with automelee will not get you far |
| 19:49.47 | foxlit | Plus most mobs at 70 will kill you if you just stand still |
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| 19:51.11 | foxlit | Since I only regulary kill stuff in Forge Camps, I can only comment on those, but most of those mobs have some sort of "are you awake?" ability that'd utterly decimate you if you didn't avoid it |
| 19:51.57 | foxlit | Like the Fear Fiends' frontal-cone, 3x2.2k tick AoE |
| 19:52.10 | foxlit | You can avoid it completely, but if you don't, you're toast. |
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| 20:04.46 | Antiarc|Work | 6.6k damage = you're toast? |
| 20:05.08 | foxlit | Throw in some melee for good measure, and yes, you are |
| 20:05.38 | foxlit | I'm not actually sure how many ticks it is |
| 20:05.53 | TS|Skrom | the bots I've seen in the past never fought anything they could possibly die to though |
| 20:06.00 | TS|Skrom | non social mobs a few levels lower then themselves |
| 20:06.10 | foxlit | That'd eliminate most of the interesting farming spots in BC |
| 20:06.39 | foxlit | Except for Skaald. |
| 20:06.40 | TS|Skrom | If they aren't there, does "interesting" have anything to do with it? |
| 20:06.41 | foxlit | That's farmer haven |
| 20:07.18 | foxlit | Well, if you had a bot, where would you farm? |
| 20:07.37 | foxlit | Not EP, since elementals there are 70+ |
| 20:07.38 | TS|Skrom | where I could maximize my gains, minimize my losses over time |
| 20:09.10 | TS|Skrom | it's not about what or where as long as you are 1) not dieing, 2) consistently looting |
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| 20:27.56 | ScytheBlade1 | NOOOOOOOO |
| 20:28.04 | ScytheBlade1 | I ACCIDENTLY DELETED MY WTF FOLDER |
| 20:28.48 | TS|Skrom | OUCH |
| 20:28.56 | clad|away | =/ |
| 20:29.03 | MoonWolf | ctrl-z NOW |
| 20:29.16 | Lopeppeppy | Um... check the disposal bin and put it back? |
| 20:30.04 | Josh_Borke | recycle bin? |
| 20:30.58 | ScytheBlade1 | No recycle bin here |
| 20:31.12 | Lopeppeppy | You're well and truly screwed, my friend. |
| 20:31.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Even more so than most |
| 20:31.25 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm a keybinder... I have 0 buttons on my screen. |
| 20:31.31 | ScytheBlade1 | ALL OF THOSE BINDINGS. GONE. |
| 20:31.37 | Lopeppeppy | See this as a golden opportunity to make changes and tweak your UI to be more lean, more mean, and... more invisible.... ouch. |
| 20:32.12 | ScytheBlade1 | And my macros.. |
| 20:32.13 | ScytheBlade1 | ... |
| 20:32.26 | Elkano | ScytheBlade1, what file system are you using? |
| 20:32.33 | ScytheBlade1 | reiserfs |
| 20:32.50 | Elkano | linux? hmm... that's bad |
| 20:32.56 | Josh_Borke | oh you're fucked |
| 20:33.04 | ScytheBlade1 | :) |
| 20:33.26 | ScytheBlade1 | When I say it's gone |
| 20:33.28 | ScytheBlade1 | I mean it's gone |
| 20:34.24 | zenzelezz | bad pun incoming |
| 20:34.28 | zenzelezz | WTF did you do that for? |
| 20:35.02 | Elkano | is it your main partition or could you unmount it? |
| 20:35.09 | ScytheBlade1 | It's my /home *drive* |
| 20:35.12 | ScytheBlade1 | I've got / and /home |
| 20:35.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Two drives |
| 20:35.42 | Elkano | maybe you can recover some stuff: http://antrix.net/journal/techtalk/reiserfs_data_recovery_howto.comments |
| 20:35.57 | Lopeppeppy | I offer you a keg of ale for your pains, and to make staring at the screen more bearable. |
| 20:36.13 | ScytheBlade1 | It's a bit late for that |
| 20:36.19 | ScytheBlade1 | I've got an xbox game torrenting ;P |
| 20:36.58 | Lopeppeppy | Hope it's a shooter ,to take out your frustrations. |
| 20:37.07 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
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| 20:37.55 | Elkano | first rule after accidential delition: stop everything writing to that drive ^^ |
| 20:38.05 | Josh_Borke | or cry |
| 20:38.08 | Josh_Borke | whichever works for you |
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| 20:38.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Bit late |
| 20:38.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh well |
| 20:38.57 | Elkano | well, you could still try ;) |
| 20:39.17 | Lopeppeppy | Mmmm.... more "can I change my model?".... *cut/paste* |
| 20:43.05 | Cair | http://youtube.com/watch?v=aCysm0nWBwc |
| 20:43.14 | Cair | world's longest wall of fire |
| 20:43.17 | Cair | pretty cool |
| 20:43.30 | Cair | well, actually, pretty hot |
| 20:43.44 | Lopeppeppy | Like I need that with the world on Broil outside my door. |
| 20:43.59 | clad|away | New LightHeaded released with parsed comments from today. |
| 20:44.20 | Lopeppeppy | Yay! That's one I've been meaning to re-install post-crash-crazy. |
| 20:44.31 | Elkano | clad, sorry for breaking your bot :( |
| 20:44.35 | clad|away | you broke it? |
| 20:44.38 | clad|away | lua> print(4) |
| 20:44.43 | clad|away | zomg how |
| 20:45.09 | clad|away | ooh you tricky bitch =) |
| 20:46.41 | TS|Skrom | they shoulda put a camera at the very end of the wall so you could see it approach and torch the camera :D |
| 20:47.57 | Lopeppeppy | That would have been superior, TS|Skrom.... I like me some fire! |
| 20:49.24 | Lopeppeppy | Darned cat is hunting a housefly, and landing square on my monitor... why this amuses her I do not know. |
| 20:52.31 | Cair | lol |
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| 20:53.38 | |Jelly| | PEPPY! <3 (Just got back from unannounced afk) |
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| 20:53.48 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, |Jelly|person! |
| 20:54.04 | |Jelly| | Morning happened like 8 hours ago 8( |
| 20:54.10 | Lopeppeppy | Did it really? |
| 20:54.19 | |Jelly| | Yeah. |
| 20:54.42 | |Jelly| | But. I've already been flamed by a retard today! http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=174680829&postId=1744179227&sid=1#14 |
| 20:54.59 | |Jelly| | So I suppose in some way it equals out. |
| 20:57.30 | Lopeppeppy | Oh noes, Tuberon has an opinion! *shrug* Go soak yer head if you can't recognize sarcasm when it bites you inna butt. |
| 20:58.16 | |Jelly| | *shrug* I just don't get how people want to put in their two cents but apparently haven't seen my carbon copy reply in EVERY "Is this mod illegal" thread. |
| 20:59.07 | Lopeppeppy | Meh. Sharks swim with the goldfishes, and into every life some sour grapes must fall. Don't let 'em getcha. |
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| 20:59.54 | |Jelly| | I just think people need to...you know...read between the lines? 8P |
| 21:01.15 | Thunder_Child | hmm..the new WAU now has add's |
| 21:01.26 | Valaron|Work | Most people don't read. |
| 21:01.35 | |Jelly| | ~whalestab Thunder_Child |
| 21:01.35 | purl | ACTION stabs Thunder_Child with a rather narrow and pointy whale named Montgomery |
| 21:01.50 | Thunder_Child | ~whaleparry |Jelly| |
| 21:01.51 | purl | ACTION uses a slightly less-huge but eminently more agile killer whale named Edwardo to parry |Jelly|'s attacks. |
| 21:01.58 | |Jelly| | It's too late! You've been stabbed! |
| 21:02.01 | Kaso | well, i thought you were very amusing |
| 21:02.13 | Thunder_Child | well i cant aprry before you try to stab me |
| 21:02.18 | Thunder_Child | parry* |
| 21:02.37 | |Jelly| | You can't parry after you've already been stabbed either! You're bleeding now! 8P |
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| 21:03.04 | Thunder_Child | point |
| 21:04.15 | |Jelly| | !! |
| 21:04.15 | Mike-N-Go | "Read in-game mail will now be kept for thirty days instead of three." Woo-who! |
| 21:06.30 | Fin | woo! |
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| 21:12.02 | [dRaCo] | I used to hate those .bak files wow creates... but now I love em. |
| 21:12.14 | |Jelly| | What'd you break? |
| 21:12.35 | [dRaCo] | wow crashed while shutting down and broke all my SVs |
| 21:13.25 | Kaso | http://img.waffleimages.com/c0dbfd08856b400e3b04185f59b2e66e1de53814/WoWScrnShot_071007_124711.jpg |
| 21:13.39 | Kaso | Aww, poor thrall with his wimpish shoulders |
| 21:14.11 | Maldivia | they didn't fix the orc shoulders ? |
| 21:14.26 | sag_ich_nicht | http://pastey.net/70609-432v |
| 21:14.28 | sag_ich_nicht | anyone here willing to help me find where this is coming from? :( i'm not really qualified enough to do so. >< |
| 21:14.35 | zenzelezz | didn't fix? They broke them |
| 21:14.39 | zenzelezz | according to my orc friend |
| 21:15.00 | Maldivia | I know, it appeared on the ptr, and a lot of threads on the forums |
| 21:15.32 | zenzelezz | aha |
| 21:15.44 | zenzelezz | 2.2 will fix it |
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| 21:21.26 | Thunder_Child | hmm..someone broke skinner |
| 21:21.40 | Tem | good |
| 21:21.47 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Tem |
| 21:21.47 | purl | stabs Tem |
| 21:21.51 | Tem | skinner is evil |
| 21:21.55 | clad|away | lol |
| 21:21.57 | Tem | and definitely not my taste |
| 21:22.35 | clad|away | >>> string.rep("poo", 3) |
| 21:22.35 | Cide | clad|away: "poopoopoo" |
| 21:22.40 | clad|away | Cide: you here? |
| 21:22.47 | Cide | yeah |
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| 21:38.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Huh - is SpellBinder broken? :/ |
| 21:38.42 | ScytheBlade1 | It's up to date, but... it doesn't work at all |
| 21:40.41 | KarlThePagan | oh shit! instant itemmail between alts... |
| 21:41.27 | Lopeppeppy | I just found that as well, KarlThePagan... holy handsome shit. |
| 21:42.04 | KarlThePagan | yea... striking a blow against goldfarmers and giving alts a nice buff at the same time |
| 21:42.30 | KarlThePagan | no longer do I have to rely on the "return mail" function to zip raid buff herbs back to my main before a raid ;) |
| 21:42.54 | clad|away | KarlThePagan: What changed? |
| 21:43.16 | zenzelezz | hit send, poof, there it is |
| 21:43.45 | Lopeppeppy | Poof. |
| 21:43.50 | Lopeppeppy | Poof, poof, poof!!! |
| 21:44.04 | Lopeppeppy | No more having to buy last second on the AH because I'm a ninny and wait too long. |
| 21:45.13 | clad|away | oh wow. |
| 21:45.50 | KarlThePagan | and between accounts gold and items are 1hr |
| 21:46.44 | Lopeppeppy | I'm good with the between-accounts... so good with that.... |
| 21:49.28 | |Jelly| | Whew. |
| 21:49.44 | |Jelly| | different accounts. I'm cool with that. |
| 21:50.17 | |Jelly| | <3 |
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| 22:07.59 | ScytheBlade1 | My macros... my keybindings.. :( |
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| 22:11.20 | Lopeppeppy | Honey-bunch.... back up your WTF folder. Seriously. Often. *comfort* |
| 22:12.35 | Thunder_Child | back-up...what is this strange idea? |
| 22:12.53 | Lopeppeppy | It's like... chocolate for noobs. It's like.... caffeine for the depressed. |
| 22:13.25 | Thunder_Child | hmm..dont like chocolate, and caffeine doesnt do anything for me.....next analogy |
| 22:14.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Honey-bunch? |
| 22:14.04 | ScytheBlade1 | I think you're going to die |
| 22:16.04 | Lunessa | There will be no killings og the Lopeppeppy . She has cookies and a kitty. She is immune to death. |
| 22:18.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | uhwhat |
| 22:18.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | the ace updater has ads now? |
| 22:18.18 | Thrae | Mr_Rabies2: If not, it will |
| 22:18.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | time to move to WUU then |
| 22:18.41 | Thrae | Mr_Rabies2: They need them because they're seriously hemmoraging money |
| 22:19.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | they can make money off those who don't mind them |
| 22:19.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | ad companies are some of the scummiest companies around and deserve nothing |
| 22:19.46 | Thrae | Yeah, but you don't have to click on them if you don't want to -- stopping use of the program -just- because it has ads is silly |
| 22:19.58 | Thrae | Well, this is Kaelten we're talking about here. He's not going to let IGE advertise :D |
| 22:20.11 | cladhaire | Mr_Rabies2: Better hope that WUU continues working then. |
| 22:20.31 | cladhaire | Considering it costs Kaelten money every single time its used, same as any updater that doesn't include the ads. |
| 22:20.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | Thrae, there's plenty of scummy ad companies other than IGE |
| 22:21.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | saying you don't want a specific site to advertise doesn't mean it won't get advertised |
| 22:21.21 | Thrae | Mr_Rabies2: Look at it this way. You play World of Warcraft, and Blizzard has somewhat evil business tactics -- it's not immune to the hedonism that drives capitalism. And its parent company, Vivendi, is just a hedonistic slut. |
| 22:21.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | these ad companies are ruthless and will stop at nothing to earn money |
| 22:21.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | there's a difference there though |
| 22:21.53 | cladhaire | Mr_Rabies2: Then hope Kaelten opens up a subscriber section where you can donate to remove the ads |
| 22:22.02 | Thrae | Mr_Rabies2: Even MMOInterface, with its parent companies, are all hedonistic sluts. |
| 22:22.16 | Thrae | Yeah, would you pay like $1/month to remove the ads? |
| 22:22.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | no |
| 22:22.26 | cladhaire | I understand your intense distaste for ad companies, but sadly, its a free service that isn't free.. it costs the owner money every single time you "zomg uipdate" your files |
| 22:22.32 | cladhaire | Mr_Rabies2: dot dot dot |
| 22:22.53 | bleeter | yay for 'undocumented' stuff in the ptach |
| 22:22.53 | Thrae | WUU actually hurts the sites it downloads from, since you're not seeing THEIR ads |
| 22:22.59 | Kaelten | yep |
| 22:23.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | i have nothing against kael, i just really really hate ad companies |
| 22:23.24 | cladhaire | Mr_Rabies2: Better find another addon site you can automatically leech off then, because I have to say.. as "scummy" as you think they are, what you're doing is just as bad from that perspective. |
| 22:23.29 | cladhaire | imo of course |
| 22:23.33 | Kaelten | and if I need to I'll talk to WUU's author and ask him to include ads if the updater is running majority wowace apps |
| 22:23.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've seen many sites accidentally cover their users with spyware just because they need revenue |
| 22:23.38 | bleeter | everyone see the mailing gold info? (that is, sending a coin only mail between different accounts now takes an hour) |
| 22:24.07 | cladhaire | bleeter: I hope it helps them actually track something, rather than being an annoyance =/ |
| 22:24.19 | nevcairiel | even better, sending any mail between alts is instant now ( items that is |
| 22:24.24 | Thrae | I would say, on the scale of piracy, what WUU is doing is worse then downloading music (assuming you wouldn't listen to the music if you didn't download it) |
| 22:24.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | O_o |
| 22:24.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's a rather bizarre statement |
| 22:24.50 | Kaelten | in a bizarre fashion it makes sense |
| 22:25.00 | Kaelten | big sites can afford WUU's actions a lot more than I can |
| 22:25.04 | cladhaire | maybe if you have 0 sensitivity to the person who's paying cash for your zomg updates |
| 22:25.24 | Thrae | Mr_Rabies2: Why not? You're using THEIR bandwidth, and bandwidth costs money. A lot of money, due to the huge stranglehold on the Internet nodes that are 1000000000x more evil then ad companies. |
| 22:25.28 | cladhaire | and it seems you don't, at all. |
| 22:25.43 | bleeter | It's been one of the things holding me back from writing a QT mod manager. I dont want to rob sites of their legitimate advert revenue. |
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| 22:26.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'd just rather not let unfiltered flash ads from these scummy companies through, personal |
| 22:26.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | personally* |
| 22:26.37 | Kaelten | Mr_Rabies2: then by all means go to files.wowace.com and download manually. |
| 22:26.38 | Thrae | Mr_Rabies2: You can disable flash ads rather easily in Firefox |
| 22:26.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's not firefox |
| 22:26.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's the updater O_o |
| 22:26.57 | bleeter | then again, people relying on flash for advertising revenue dont deserve my d/l |
| 22:27.00 | Thrae | Uhh, Kaelten's updater will not support flash ads |
| 22:27.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | i right click the ad |
| 22:27.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | and get |
| 22:27.14 | Thrae | I doubt Kaelten's updater will support Flash, that is a huge PITA |
| 22:27.18 | cladhaire | so don't click the ad? |
| 22:27.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | About macromedia flash player 7 |
| 22:27.27 | cladhaire | if you're not willing to pay $1 a month.. WHY would you click the ad? |
| 22:27.29 | Kaelten | Thrae: no it does it wasn't hard at all. |
| 22:27.38 | cladhaire | ah then |
| 22:27.55 | nevcairiel | i think the updater is currently using a html plugin to show a simple page with a native renderer, or something |
| 22:28.01 | Thrae | Kaelten: I was also thinking about the users >.> Flash ads hurt my brain and sometimes cause me mini-seizures |
| 22:28.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | what ad service are you using? |
| 22:28.26 | Kaelten | I'm perfectly willing to work with the users to filter out annoying ads |
| 22:28.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | google is probably the least corrupt of the ones i've seen |
| 22:28.42 | Thrae | I can't report bad ads if I'm foaming at my mouth, lying on the floor naked! |
| 22:28.49 | nevcairiel | at least google ads are not flashy :P |
| 22:28.53 | Arrowmaster | except that google is filled with gold selling ads |
| 22:28.55 | Kaelten | Thrae: stop one handed typing |
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| 22:28.57 | Kaelten | er updating |
| 22:28.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | but working to filter out ads if you're using, say, adbrite, is going to cost you a lot more money than not running ads |
| 22:29.16 | Thrae | Kaelten: But some of those addons are damn seductive! |
| 22:29.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | Arrowmaster: adbrite has gold selling ads with bonus keyloggers and other delicious programs |
| 22:29.32 | Kaelten | ~hide Thrae |
| 22:29.33 | purl | ACTION gets a huge black sheet and covers Thrae with it so that nobody can see what Thrae is doing! |
| 22:30.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | adbrite is by far the scummiest company i've ever seen |
| 22:30.33 | Kaelten | we don't use adbrite |
| 22:30.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | what service do you use? |
| 22:30.56 | Beladona | advertising companies don't care what kind of ads they are pushing typically. they care about what drives capital. if gold ads make it in, blame the idiots that click them |
| 22:30.57 | nevcairiel | haha i tried visiting the ad services page and adblock blocks it completly .. meh. |
| 22:31.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | yep, Beladona |
| 22:31.33 | bleeter | Kaelten: seeing you're here, may as well ask you. How to get WUU to work in Linux? I've 'python WUU.py', and it sits there with a Directory Selector dialog and won't let me select a directory. |
| 22:31.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | the most money making ads are the ones that either annoy the userbase, cause popups, and other stuff |
| 22:31.46 | Kaelten | bleeter: don't know I've never used WUU :) |
| 22:31.48 | cladhaire | bleeter: WUU isn't kaelten's |
| 22:31.56 | bleeter | Kaelten: gah, my bad |
| 22:32.14 | bleeter | Kaelten: hmm, what is your app? I thought I had something to ask you :/ |
| 22:32.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | WowAceUpdater |
| 22:32.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | :o |
| 22:32.40 | nevcairiel | WAU2 - java based updater .. supposed to work on linux :P |
| 22:32.47 | Kaelten | I'm not going to say which companies we work with |
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| 22:32.54 | Kaelten | nevcairiel: except something is still bugged |
| 22:33.01 | Kaelten | but I will say that adbrite is not one of them |
| 22:33.08 | Thrae | 18:35 <+Kaelten> I'm not going to say which companies we work with <-- omg, it's IGE! |
| 22:33.13 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 22:33.17 | *** kick/#wowi-lounge [Thrae!n=cladhair@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Dongle/cladhaire] by cladhaire (cladhaire) |
| 22:33.18 | Kaelten | shhh! I told you not to tell! |
| 22:33.21 | Kaelten | there goes your cut |
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| 22:33.37 | Kaelten | lol |
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| 22:33.46 | nevcairiel | i didnt see that kick coming |
| 22:33.48 | Kaso | bleeter, http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2100022 |
| 22:33.54 | Thrae | He was leaving himself wide open! :D |
| 22:34.08 | Kaso | oh wait, you cant see that >.< |
| 22:34.17 | bleeter | Kaso: ineed |
| 22:34.47 | Kaelten | Mr_Rabies2: but to be honest, I don't want the ads on wowace.com or WAU or any other update |
| 22:34.48 | bleeter | Kaelten: ok then, maybe it wasn't you (it's first thing in the morn here, still chewing on my first coffee of the day, apols) |
| 22:34.53 | Kaelten | I'd LOVE to take them all down. |
| 22:34.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm not holding it against you at all, kael, i understand fully that stuff is expensive these days, i just wish there was a better way to get cash than annoying the patrons of the service, especially when the ad companies are notoriously scummy |
| 22:35.12 | Kaso | if you have aim you can try grabbing the auth on it, his handle is "dorkanoid" otherwise i guess you've already looked around the sourceforge page but in case not; http://sourceforge.net/projects/wuu |
| 22:35.34 | Kaelten | I am thinking about offering an ad free WAU to subscribers |
| 22:35.41 | bleeter | oh hell, not another IM contact :/ |
| 22:35.43 | Kaso | Also more infomation here; http://wuu.vagabonds.info/ |
| 22:35.55 | bleeter | I promised after the 500th, I wouldn't add anymore >< |
| 22:36.01 | Thrae | Kaelten: Would requireing subscription for update rates of less then once per month be monitarily feesible? |
| 22:36.22 | Kaelten | Thrae: rinse and repeat please |
| 22:36.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:37.02 | bleeter | (1) Firefox (2) Noscript (3) Adblock (4) Privoxy (5) Smile |
| 22:37.10 | Thrae | Kaelten: Only allow people access to the site once per month, or use up X amount of bandwidth per month. Require registration either way. Subscribers have no limit. |
| 22:37.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | bleeter, i can't adblock within WAU |
| 22:37.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | or i would and this would be a moot point :p |
| 22:37.24 | Kaelten | Thrae possible, but messy |
| 22:37.27 | bleeter | Mr_Rabies2: it ignores global proxy settings? |
| 22:37.48 | nevcairiel | a download limit would destroy the community |
| 22:37.49 | Thrae | Kaelten: Well you want to have a subscription option anyway, right? |
| 22:37.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | hell if i know, but privoxy's less than reliable too :[ |
| 22:38.07 | Kaelten | nevcairiel: I agree |
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| 22:38.13 | bleeter | Mr_Rabies2: heh, indeed. Better than a poke in the eye with a blunt stick, though ;) |
| 22:38.14 | Kaelten | I don't want to limit access |
| 22:38.20 | Srosh | privoxy works mighty fine for me in conjunction with Opera |
| 22:38.37 | nevcairiel | they can live with ads, or subscribe to get them removed, and maybe more access |
| 22:38.43 | Fin | Kaelten: what about setting up a network of mirrors? |
| 22:38.46 | nevcairiel | (limit svn to subscription?) |
| 22:38.54 | Fin | I'm sure lots of people would be happy to offer a mirror site |
| 22:39.07 | Fin | s'what most other open source projects do when they hit a certain size |
| 22:39.10 | Kaelten | Fin: oh yes, many. But that has a new set of problems. |
| 22:39.20 | Antiarc|Work | Hahah, |Jelly| |
| 22:39.20 | Srosh | svn ain't the problem |
| 22:39.24 | Beladona | how would that stop people from migrating to WUU though? |
| 22:39.26 | Antiarc|Work | "If it's not an Ace mod, found from wowace.com, it's illegal and WILL get you banned. You have been warned." |
| 22:39.28 | |Jelly| | What did I do? |
| 22:39.29 | Thrae | Ah, wait, I got it. |
| 22:39.36 | Beladona | unless the WUU peopel agree to cooperate |
| 22:39.37 | Fin | Kaelten: problems that have already been solved lots of times with other projects, I'd say :) |
| 22:39.37 | |Jelly| | TRUF! |
| 22:39.41 | Kaelten | Antiarc|Work: huh? |
| 22:39.45 | Srosh | don't have statistics but I'd guess only a fraction of users update directly from the svn |
| 22:39.47 | |Jelly| | Did some retard take me seriously again? |
| 22:39.48 | nevcairiel | if "people" offer mirrors, its a major PITA .. ive seen that in other projects. |
| 22:40.00 | Thrae | Kaelten: What if you added P2P to WAU and required a share ratio of 1.0? All people would need to do is just leave it running in the background. |
| 22:40.02 | nevcairiel | most of them break down, get out of sync, and you constantly keep removing them from the RR |
| 22:40.03 | Kaelten | nevcairiel: yep |
| 22:40.04 | Antiarc|Work | Kaelten: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=174762886&sid=1 |
| 22:40.19 | Kaelten | Thrae: another new set of problems |
| 22:40.43 | bleeter | as an occasional hacker on one of the most popular Open Source projects, I completely sympathize with the issues Kaelten faces |
| 22:41.05 | bleeter | mirrors/P2P aren't the best solution for this kinda issue, either |
| 22:41.26 | Thrae | Kaelten: Private torrent sites in the BitTorrent world seem to handle it well, if you're thinking of IP spoofers, hacked clients, etc. |
| 22:41.41 | Thrae | I thought the problem boiled down to resource usage, and the costs therein |
| 22:42.03 | ckknight | |Jelly|: why are you trolling? |
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| 22:42.20 | ckknight | as much as I find satiric fanboism funny, some people take it seriously |
| 22:42.31 | |Jelly| | Cause dancing in Shatt got boring. |
| 22:42.42 | |Jelly| | If they can't read the stickies, it's their own fault IMO. |
| 22:43.18 | ScytheBlade1 | I can't possibly have this few addons |
| 22:43.21 | |Jelly| | actually...you wanna know why? |
| 22:43.26 | Thrae | bleeter: Why couldn't P2P work? |
| 22:44.05 | |Jelly| | Look on the first page. There's already an illegal addon question. This question has been asked and answered EVERY DAY that I've looked at the forums...EVERY DAY. |
| 22:44.06 | Kaelten | Thrae: if people won't want to see an ad they won't want to run an updater in the background |
| 22:44.12 | nevcairiel | implementing p2p with the constant addon updates would really be a issue on its own.. |
| 22:44.19 | |Jelly| | So that means that people did ZERO research of even LOOKING at the front page. |
| 22:44.30 | Kaelten | they're small downloads and get done fast |
| 22:44.54 | |Jelly| | Anyway. Back to You Tube and dancing until I see something flash again. <3 Peppy. 8P |
| 22:44.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Holy crap |
| 22:45.00 | ScytheBlade1 | I know what I'm going to name my next addon |
| 22:45.04 | ScytheBlade1 | "IllegalAddon" |
| 22:45.13 | |Jelly| | hahahahahahahahahaha |
| 22:45.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | you'd be surprised |
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| 22:45.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've had people ask GM's if addons with "bot" at the end were legal |
| 22:45.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | and the GM's said "no, bots are against our client/server manipulation policy" |
| 22:45.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Now to find something for said addon to do :P |
| 22:45.53 | nevcairiel | do you know that video about posting a thread on the Steam forums ? :P someone should do something like that for the UI Forums ;) |
| 22:46.04 | bleeter | Thrae: Most P2P services don't do SCCS well. It'd be 'nice' if such a P2P service was integrated into whatever the author's SCCS was. Hence, pidgin moved to MTN. |
| 22:46.47 | Lysistrata | ScytheBlade1 list addons which show up as illegal under Addons. |
| 22:46.52 | Thrae | Kaelten: I think the people who hate ads are more in Mr_Rabies2's camp, to be honest. I myself vehemenantly hate ALL ads, commercials, etc., to the point where I'd have to think about using WAU. But I don't mind seeding torrents up to >1.0 share ratio. |
| 22:46.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Holy crap yes |
| 22:47.00 | ScytheBlade1 | That's perfect |
| 22:47.06 | Thrae | Kaelten: In fact, I support torrents. |
| 22:47.12 | ScytheBlade1 | IllegalAddon: Tells you if any addons you are using are illegal. |
| 22:47.20 | Thrae | Mr_Rabies2: Hmmm, so Thottbot the addon is illegal! |
| 22:47.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | yes! |
| 22:47.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | it HAS BOT |
| 22:47.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's obviously a BOT |
| 22:47.56 | bleeter | the more I play with monotone, the more astounded by how darn useful it is. SVN is dead to me. |
| 22:48.26 | Lysistrata | monotone is what? Something similiar to SVN? |
| 22:48.30 | Thrae | bleeter: I had to google SCCS -- you archaic term user you |
| 22:48.38 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 22:48.39 | bleeter | Lysistrata: distributed SCCS |
| 22:48.44 | bleeter | Thrae: nah, just a grumpy old fart ;) |
| 22:48.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't hate ads, i just hate the companies that run them for not screening them, and the companies that post them in the first place for allowing stuff that shouldn't be allowed |
| 22:49.00 | Lysistrata | errr Thrae you just looked it up, what does SCCS stand for? ;D |
| 22:49.13 | bleeter | Source Code Control System (CVS/SVN etc. etc.) |
| 22:49.15 | Thrae | Lysistrata: Standard Coding Control System |
| 22:49.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | companies that run them being google, adbrite, etc |
| 22:49.17 | nevcairiel | source code control system |
| 22:49.22 | Lysistrata | Ah OK. |
| 22:49.31 | Thrae | Err right, Source |
| 22:49.32 | nevcairiel | Thrae even looked it up wrong :P |
| 22:49.37 | Thrae | No, I remembered it wrong :D |
| 22:49.38 | bleeter | hah :P |
| 22:49.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | if i could guarantee their integrity i woul have absolutely no problems with them, and probably click on them from time to time |
| 22:50.21 | Thrae | bleeter: Anyway, CVS and SVN are RCS, not SCCS |
| 22:50.31 | Lysistrata | Google spies on you thats the problem with looking at ads they SPY at you *runs* |
| 22:50.32 | nevcairiel | what i hate about ads the most, they tend to just load way too slow, and stop the remaining page <.< |
| 22:50.50 | Fin | I don't see what's wrong with setting up a network of mirrors and keeping the hosting commercial free |
| 22:50.52 | nevcairiel | allakhazam had that issue for a long time |
| 22:51.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | but two sites i go to had to battle with popups and other nasties on a daily basis despite telling the ad companies to disable them for their site |
| 22:51.16 | bleeter | Thrae: indeed (I was being liberal with the truth)... anyway, that's why they suck at SCCS ;) |
| 22:51.16 | Thrae | Mr_Rabies2: You use Firefox, right? |
| 22:51.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | yes, thrae |
| 22:51.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | and ablock, noscript, etc |
| 22:51.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | adblock* |
| 22:51.45 | Thrae | bleeter: I'm just trying to perserve my fragile ego |
| 22:51.57 | Thrae | The EFNet gurus hurt =/ |
| 22:52.00 | Valaron|Work | Adblock Plus, and Adblock Filterset.G Updater. /shrug |
| 22:52.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | this would be a moot point if i could use those, Valaron|Work :[ |
| 22:52.22 | Thrae | Mr_Rabies2: Adblock Plus, right? Also get Flashblock |
| 22:52.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | thrae, it's built into the updater :/ |
| 22:52.38 | bleeter | Thrae: heh... anyways, monotone > svn any day. I just love comitting to one branch, and mtn comitting to other branches/trees for me. I don't have to think about how a change will effect other people's works in progress. It'll just apply (or fail with a suitable warning). |
| 22:52.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | like, where the update log is, a big ol flash ad |
| 22:52.53 | Thrae | Mr_Rabies2: No, I mean for your firefox experience |
| 22:52.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh i know |
| 22:53.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | i see no ads at all with noscript and adblock |
| 22:53.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | unless i whitelist them |
| 22:53.16 | bleeter | mind you, commit 32 digit hex numbers as commit versions are a right PITA |
| 22:53.25 | Lysistrata | I just use adblock and see ads rarely. |
| 22:53.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's weird using other peoples' computers because i've forgotten what the internet looks like with ads |
| 22:53.46 | bleeter | (as they're based off the signature of the diff and signature of the author, rather than any increasing version number) |
| 22:53.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | noscript has a built in <script> block, java block, flash block, etc |
| 22:54.06 | Lysistrata | First thing to do at other ppls computers: Install FX, get AdBlock & CookieButton |
| 22:54.06 | Kaelten | I could turn the server off for a few days to save money I guess |
| 22:54.21 | bleeter | "Revision 0804a1dbd011586468f3bac9cb9071216e66f118" |
| 22:54.30 | bleeter | I mean.. wtf‽ |
| 22:54.42 | Lysistrata | bleeter Increasing Numbers are nice for something like that ;) |
| 22:54.57 | Thrae | bleeter: SVN was -suppose- to work like that, it's just that not everyone uses it that way. You could make a script for anything monotone does internally (post-commit hook). Anyway, this is all a moot point for addon development, as we're not really talking about propogation here... |
| 22:55.03 | bleeter | Lysistrata: there are external tools for monotone that helps one sort out a chronological order. |
| 22:55.36 | bleeter | Lysistrata: increasing numbers don't work in an offline capable distributed system |
| 22:55.38 | Thrae | bleeter: If you're basing your experience with SVN off of wowace, or any of your bias, don't ;) |
| 22:55.59 | bleeter | Thrae: no, just many years of using it with sourceforge and a nyumber of projects. |
| 22:56.17 | Lysistrata | Ah OK ... if you'd just endup with such strings it would be kinda uhrm well HELL. Besides that it kinda wicked to say "Oh Revision 8194h1989a9s8tdg9 was the last stable one" ^^; |
| 22:56.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | an fps game i used to play used rsync to update the game |
| 22:56.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | it was pretty nifty |
| 22:56.46 | Thrae | bleeter: Sourceforge is also screwed up too -- multiple related projects should be on the same SVN, but the other stuff Sourceforge offers can make that difficult |
| 22:56.55 | Lysistrata | Yeha thats true bleeter about the offlien thing and stuff. Still it's feels strange the first time you get a look at it ;) |
| 22:57.33 | bleeter | Thrae: All the projects I'm involved in have left SF to their own pile of garbage. |
| 22:57.34 | Thrae | Mr_Rabies2: rsync rules, I used it to copy my dying Debian to a new HDD |
| 22:57.41 | Thrae | bleeter: Heh |
| 22:58.12 | Thrae | Mr_Rabies2: It's good at copying everything -properly- |
| 22:58.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | it was the sole updater for the game |
| 22:58.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | and it worked damn well |
| 22:58.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | start the game, see rsync pop up, check the svn, update any different files, and then launch the gmae |
| 22:58.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | game* |
| 23:05.09 | bleeter | the other sexor thing about a distributed SCCS... lose your master repository? doesn't matter... every developer has a complete database of every change on their local computer. |
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| 23:08.46 | cladhaire | so I may be relatively liberal in some regards |
| 23:08.57 | cladhaire | but I'm not sure I was prepared to find out that one of my friends from college is now a woman |
| 23:08.58 | bleeter | course, that might not be nice for a large team of devs such as WoWAce. I wonder how many of them would be happy to carry around a, wild figure, 250MB DB just to maintain a 2kB mod |
| 23:09.06 | Tain | Is she cute? |
| 23:09.16 | Kaso | haha |
| 23:09.23 | Kaelten | cladhaire: lol, well what makes em happy. |
| 23:09.26 | cladhaire | Tain: Uh.. probably |
| 23:09.27 | Kaso | i think thats the best reply possible to that tain |
| 23:09.34 | cladhaire | Kaelten: Indeed, I'm happy he's happy |
| 23:09.36 | cladhaire | but still O.o |
| 23:09.38 | bleeter | I think it's the only response |
| 23:09.47 | Kaelten | ya |
| 23:10.09 | cladhaire | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:10.25 | bleeter | cladhaire: surely you're happy that *she's* happy :P |
| 23:10.26 | Lunessa | cladhaire: That's something no one is really prepared to discover. Identity is sort of a touchy subject, and physical appearance/sex is a key factor in how we identify people. |
| 23:11.05 | cladhaire | Lunessa: Understood. I'm sensitive to it, because due to my own orientation I've had a good amount of exposure to people who are gender mixed or confused. |
| 23:11.11 | Kaelten | bleeter: the repo server side 1.6GB |
| 23:11.26 | cladhaire | Lunessa: And this is the absolutely 100% typical thing to say but, "He was one of the manliest men I knew" |
| 23:11.50 | bleeter | Kaelten: heh, yar, I suspect on a distributed SCCS you'd be out at the 10's of GBs (if not more)... hehe, yeah go on. DO IT! :) ;) |
| 23:11.54 | Lunessa | I've been there. We weren't close, but yeah, I know the sudden sense of discomfort. |
| 23:11.57 | Tain | Is she post-op? |
| 23:12.07 | cladhaire | Tain: Unclear on the snip-snip |
| 23:12.10 | Lunessa | Why Tain, looking for a date? |
| 23:12.57 | bleeter | Kaelten: Oh, I'm assuming it's 1.6GB for the 'current' revision of everything. That does sound large. Maybe you meant 'encompassing all changes' |
| 23:12.59 | Tain | I actually saw something on... maybe TLC I forget.. a little while back about how people are getting more and more cosmetic surgery to go along with the other surger |
| 23:13.22 | Kaelten | bleeter it saves the info needed to return the state at any point |
| 23:13.29 | Tain | Softening jaw lines, making the adam's apple less pronounced, stuff like that. |
| 23:13.30 | cladhaire | bleeter: its 1.5 gigs for all 40,000 commits |
| 23:13.32 | Kaelten | looks like a text file for each revision |
| 23:13.57 | cog|work | Anyone here watch Nip/Tuck? |
| 23:14.00 | cladhaire | Tain: Aye.. I'm glad there are things they can do to assist people, I can imagine its difficult feeling like you're in the wrong body.. or that something just isn't right. |
| 23:14.30 | Lunessa | *nod* Discovery Health and TLC have a lot of shows dedicated to "gender/orientation/lifestyle" stuff. It's interesting to watch, no? |
| 23:14.33 | bleeter | Kaelten: ah, rightio. Yar, well it'd probably be around the same size. If I were on a chunky connection, I'd import your SVN into a local MTN just for shits and giggles to see what'd happen. |
| 23:14.50 | cladhaire | bleeter: i shoudl set up MTN |
| 23:14.51 | Kaelten | lol |
| 23:14.52 | cladhaire | and see =) |
| 23:15.03 | bleeter | for the record-> Pidgin MTN DB 200MB, 'current' source 149MB |
| 23:15.15 | cladhaire | how far back is the history? |
| 23:16.12 | |Jelly| | *pokes cog with a stick* Eh. He's still moving... |
| 23:16.15 | cog|work | Nip/Tuck has some episodes that deal with transgender issues in really in-your-face ways |
| 23:16.46 | bleeter | heh, oops, did a distclean.. make that 'pidgin source -> 79MB' |
| 23:17.41 | Valaron|Work | What the Hell? Windows Firewall fuxed up my Domain. |
| 23:18.06 | Lunessa | I work for a university. Recently our charter was altered to specify that discrimination vs trans-gendered people was bad. Which didn't make sense to me, since discrimination based on gender is already bad. :shrug: |
| 23:18.23 | bleeter | cladhaire: MTN certainly takes some getting used to |
| 23:18.44 | cladhaire | bleeter: I should learn it for academic reasons either way.. but I'd love any help you can provide as far as importing =) |
| 23:19.41 | bleeter | http://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/MonotoneLimitations http://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/UsingPidginMonotone |
| 23:19.50 | bleeter | from there, all things monotone are linked ;) |
| 23:20.05 | cladhaire | heh |
| 23:21.15 | bleeter | Lunessa: some ligislative areas actively discriminate against TG people. Your University may be taking a stand against such legislation ;) |
| 23:21.24 | bleeter | erm, s/ligi/legi/ |
| 23:21.47 | Lunessa | No, I think we've just capitulated to one long-term campaigner. |
| 23:22.02 | bleeter | squeaky wheel getting the grease, eh |
| 23:22.55 | cladhaire | bleeter: How are you guys managing the merge issue? |
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| 23:24.08 | bleeter | cladhaire: I think they're going with the 'mild panic' response. I'm not really that involved with them anymore, the former lead is a jerk - no longer a lead but still acts like he is. |
| 23:24.15 | cladhaire | =( |
| 23:24.25 | Lunessa | In Texas, gender-change operations don't change your 'legal' sex. For example, it's a legitimate way for a marriagetill to exist between people of the same sex, since the law still sees one person as the opposite gender. But universities and other legal institutions are generally more sensitive. - It's just always an odd area, and you can't know how you'll react until you come face to... |
| 23:24.26 | Lunessa | ...face with the issue. |
| 23:25.22 | cladhaire | aye, absolutely |
| 23:26.55 | mikma | well if a man decides to cut off his cahones, then he should be allowed to change his status to woman |
| 23:27.33 | AnduinLothar | I don't understand. only reasons I can come up with is that you'd have to have some serious self esteem issues or are trying to 'escape' your sex so you can be gay without riducule, but that'd only work if you left your environment and it wasn't obvious. |
| 23:27.35 | Lunessa | Ever see the film adaptation of "The World According to Garp?" |
| 23:28.15 | cladhaire | AnduinLothar: IT really comes down to people who feel like they are a woman, but they're physically a man. Its not about sexual attraction at all, actually. |
| 23:28.20 | cladhaire | Or a means to escape ridicule. |
| 23:28.23 | Lunessa | John Lithgow plays a man who becomes a woman over the course of the film.. side-character, really. But has some GREAT material to deliver. :D |
| 23:28.40 | AnduinLothar | yeah, that just doesn't make any sense to me |
| 23:28.53 | bleeter | AnduinLothar: I know a couple of people who have XXY chromosomes. It's not a self esteem or 'wanting to be gay without ridicule' issue for them |
| 23:29.25 | AnduinLothar | ok, if they're already transgendered i can understand |
| 23:29.37 | cladhaire | "already transgendered" |
| 23:29.39 | cladhaire | what does that mean? |
| 23:29.41 | Lunessa | Heh. |
| 23:29.43 | AnduinLothar | wrong word |
| 23:29.52 | AnduinLothar | transsexual? |
| 23:29.55 | AnduinLothar | hmm |
| 23:30.02 | cladhaire | transsexual ~= transgendered |
| 23:30.12 | AnduinLothar | right... thus the wrong word |
| 23:30.34 | Lunessa | I'm all for people being who they want to be. I'm just saying that discovering that my buddy from high school is now a woman or that a girl I dated is now a man takes some getting used to. |
| 23:32.07 | Lunessa | All though the time a pre-op tried to pick me up in LA was pretty amusing, I'm not sure many people I know would deal with the situation tactfully. |
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| 23:32.14 | bleeter | I don't think XXY = 'already transexual' is a totally valid statement. |
| 23:32.26 | AnduinLothar | no? |
| 23:32.46 | bleeter | we don't know enough about how the sexual/sexuality chromosomes work to be able to make a decent 'call' about that. |
| 23:33.09 | cladhaire | yeah, that's assuming quite a lot |
| 23:33.20 | bleeter | eg, I may *be* XY, but if the genes work in such-and-such a way, it may well be possible that the effect is XXY |
| 23:33.34 | bleeter | (as a sweeping generalisation) |
| 23:33.59 | AnduinLothar | so it doesn't HAVE a name, you say? or you jsut don't want to have it be covered by that existing label? |
| 23:35.02 | bleeter | At a genetic level, there is no male/female divide. It's all shades of grey between the two extremes. |
| 23:35.31 | cladhaire | I'm saying that you're looking for some predisposition to "justify" or "allow" something, which shows an intense misunderstand what sexuality and gender confusion/orientation _is_ |
| 23:36.05 | AnduinLothar | I'm not even talkign about "justify" or "allow". i was trying to understand the reasoning that would make someone do that to themselves |
| 23:36.26 | bleeter | Question: From the movie 'Finding Nemo'. Was Nemo male or female? |
| 23:36.35 | bleeter | (gender of the voice over aside) |
| 23:36.50 | AnduinLothar | "I've lost my son" |
| 23:37.08 | bleeter | Answer: Neither. That species of fish changes gender depending on population spread/time of year/current etc. |
| 23:37.35 | AnduinLothar | ok. but they already had other human characteristics |
| 23:37.42 | AnduinLothar | like talkign for example |
| 23:37.51 | AnduinLothar | and expressive faces |
| 23:37.54 | Lunessa | In '90 I met this couple, lesbians and very very open about it. But one of the partners was formerly male. :shrug: That seemed like gender confusion/sexual confusion to me. But I don't worry about it. For the most part, the orientation of others, or the identity of others is their business, not mine. |
| 23:37.57 | cladhaire | AnduinLothar: he "did" it to himself, because he (typically for quite some time) does not feel like he is a man, but that he is/was a woman. |
| 23:38.21 | cladhaire | Lunessa: Correct, and I don't think this conversation is saying anythign different. It seems I had the same reaction you did. |
| 23:38.30 | cladhaire | Only I know I can't just email him now and say "zomg grats on being a woman now!" |
| 23:38.33 | cladhaire | her |
| 23:38.48 | Lunessa | Initial shock and squick factor followed slowly by acceptance? |
| 23:39.21 | AnduinLothar | guess it depends on what the roots of your identification are. |
| 23:39.24 | cladhaire | Essentially, yep. |
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| 23:39.58 | cladhaire | AnduinLothar: Not sure what you mean by that, and I dont' mean to continue with this if it makes you uncomfortable |
| 23:40.19 | cladhaire | I just mentioned it because it was something that I just found out about. |
| 23:40.53 | AnduinLothar | as in their physical attributes must mean very little in terms of how they see them self sexually.... which i don't really understand |
| 23:41.01 | Lunessa | I mean, I know I sound all enlightened and stuff, but trust me - some of it is conscious effort on my part to get past knee-jerk reactions. |
| 23:41.43 | AnduinLothar | but then again I guess there's all sorts of perceptions about one's body |
| 23:41.45 | bleeter | my closing thought is, I wonder what the % of WOW players, or MMOs in general, identify as TG. I'd suspect that it'd be higher than that in the general population as it may allow escapism to some degree. No doubt some Psych PhD in that somewhere. |
| 23:41.46 | cladhaire | AnduinLothar: What is a penis if the brain behind it doesn't identify whatsoever as a male? Gender is definitely more than the physical composition of an individual |
| 23:42.00 | cladhaire | bleeter: If the PhD already hasn't been done on it =) |
| 23:42.04 | Corrodias | bleeter: it's just because wow players are so hip |
| 23:42.28 | Lunessa | ooo... cladhaire - I know... It's a really large clitoris! |
| 23:42.37 | cladhaire | hehe =) |
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| 23:42.47 | AnduinLothar | right, more than the physical attributes of course, but i mean the physical must be depreciated before you can decide to change it |
| 23:43.25 | cladhaire | They may not choose to change it at all |
| 23:43.34 | cladhaire | Its really about identify, rather than composition, if that makes any sense |
| 23:43.40 | cladhaire | that's the best way someone was able to describe it to me |
| 23:43.49 | cladhaire | tho I don't even pretend to understand it all |
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| 23:44.56 | Corrodias | imagine you woke up tomorrow with breasts and a vagina and otherwise looking like a woman to everyone else. now imagine you didn't even realize it for a while, but it slowly dawned on you that something was horribly wrong. |
| 23:45.08 | Corrodias | (assuming that you do not currently possess those features) |
| 23:45.17 | cladhaire | yep, good way to put it |
| 23:45.29 | Lunessa | Heh, I wrote a long essay about a similar issue regarding cyberware in rp-games - I felt there would have to be some serious remove/detatchment from a body part before you would have it surgically removed for fashion or uitility. |
| 23:46.18 | Lunessa | I suppose that level of detachment comes with the package. The parts don't feel like the right parts. |
| 23:46.28 | AnduinLothar | so do they use the gender change to define their sexuality or in response to an identity they have already accepted? |
| 23:47.19 | cladhaire | well you're mixing a lot of things together |
| 23:47.45 | cladhaire | a transgendered individual may not have undergone any physical gender change |
| 23:48.18 | cladhaire | sexuality may have absolutely nothing to do with being transgendered (and you can't make assumptions about _what_ they would like when they're done,or beforehand) |
| 23:48.49 | cladhaire | actually |
| 23:48.49 | cladhaire | Transgender is the state of one's "gender identity" (self-identification as male, female, both or neither) not matching one's "assigned gender" (identification by others as male or female based on physical/genetic sex). Transgender does not imply any specific form of sexual orientation — transgender people may identify as heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual, pansexual or asexual. |
| 23:48.57 | cladhaire | asexual should be the last word there |
| 23:49.01 | Corrodias | i can't pretend to understand how they feel |
| 23:49.05 | cladhaire | same |
| 23:50.43 | Lunessa | Bah... wear the clothes you want, and sleep with who you want. It only matters if you try to force your version on everyone else. |
| 23:51.05 | cladhaire | yep |
| 23:51.09 | cladhaire | there is something to be said for the "deception" of others as well, but that's a post-doc in itself. |
| 23:52.30 | Lunessa | Yeah, I mean if you dress like a woman, and act like a woman but have different plumbing, I want to exempt myself from your pool of sexual partners. |
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| 23:52.43 | cladhaire | yep it gets sticky there |
| 23:53.08 | bleeter | eww, tmi |
| 23:53.22 | Corrodias | uh oh. they might need me to help lead kara group 2 tonight. |
| 23:53.28 | Corrodias | leadership is not my strong point |
| 23:53.56 | bleeter | thought you would've done it enough time by now to be able to lead? |
| 23:54.35 | Corrodias | i know the place, but it doesn't mean i enjoy directing people |
| 23:54.36 | bleeter | tho, I must admit, my 'current main' has done some stuff enough times to lead, 'cept she doesn't 'coz she's a shortass |
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