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| 00:01.16 | Shirik | a boy would love to be called "cladhaire" |
| 00:01.34 | Shirik | think of what he would go through during school |
| 00:01.50 | clad|away | :P |
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| 00:13.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | "My name is cladhaire! How do you do! Now you're gonna die!" just doesn't have the same ring to it as sue |
| 00:13.58 | clad|away | :P |
| 00:14.12 | Shirik | 20:13:08 » [CTCP PING reply from clad|away]: reply took 507182.223s |
| 00:14.12 | Shirik | -_- |
| 00:14.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | damn |
| 00:14.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | clad|away's in 1973 |
| 00:14.53 | clad|away | lol |
| 00:15.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | 507 182.223 seconds = 5.87016462 days |
| 00:15.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | what the hell |
| 00:15.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | how the hell do you not respond for a ping for 6 days |
| 00:16.15 | Shirik | the ping reply did actually take just over 2 minutes though |
| 00:16.18 | Shirik | though I am rather amused by the 500ks reply |
| 00:16.33 | Shirik | kilosecond |
| 00:16.33 | Shirik | I like it |
| 00:16.33 | Shirik | SI unit of time |
| 00:17.22 | Shirik | let me see if I can figure it out :) |
| 00:18.00 | Shirik | hm, I can't connect to IRC -_- I keep timing out |
| 00:18.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | someone does need to make a base 10 unit of time for SI to just screw with everyone |
| 00:18.09 | Shirik | eating all my bandwidth uploading lol |
| 00:20.34 | Shirik | so Mr_Rabies how long did it take? |
| 00:21.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | (8:18:12 pm) [Shirik PING reply]: 1min 5secs |
| 00:23.28 | Shirik | hm, better than I thought |
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| 00:33.25 | abug | http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/07/22/178214 |
| 00:33.30 | abug | first badgers...and now squirrels |
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| 00:52.53 | foxlit | They should hire the ceiling cat |
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| 01:00.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | ohcrap |
| 01:00.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | secret squirrel is a reality |
| 01:01.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | i hope they gave them coats with a million pockets |
| 01:10.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Antiarc, any ETA on Omen 1.0? |
| 01:10.15 | ScytheBlade1 | I want to pimp it to my guild, but they update frequency will only agitate them |
| 01:11.24 | Thelyna | ScytheBlade1: there is no ETA, there will be no ETA, it'll just appear one day |
| 01:12.00 | Thelyna | the update frequency is a good thing (except when antiarc breaks it with drycode changes >.>), but it does mean it's not release-quality yet |
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| 01:12.12 | Antiarc | It's very close to release quality |
| 01:12.19 | Antiarc | I'm chasing down a last few abnormalities |
| 01:12.29 | Antiarc | Moistly related to threat clears and visual updates |
| 01:12.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Awesome |
| 01:12.37 | Thelyna | moistly? ew. |
| 01:12.39 | Antiarc | Not "fatal" per se, but confusing |
| 01:12.41 | ScytheBlade1 | That's all I was looking for |
| 01:13.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Ever the the "mages don't lose threat" bug fixed? |
| 01:13.19 | ScytheBlade1 | I've made a few people wtf at me, as I want Void Reaver and suddenly have 100k threat |
| 01:13.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Not that I care, but eh ;) |
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| 01:22.48 | Antiarc | I think I fixed it, but I'm not 100% positive |
| 01:23.03 | Antiarc | I couldn't ever replicate it, but I found a likely cause and stopped getting complaints (mostly) |
| 01:23.11 | Antiarc | I've gotten one or two but I'm hoping they were due to old revisions |
| 01:23.27 | Shirik | fixed? |
| 01:23.28 | Shirik | oh |
| 01:24.39 | ScytheBlade1 | I'll update and get back to you |
| 01:24.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Doing Void Reaver in three trash pulls, and I duplicated it 100% of the time |
| 01:26.17 | Antiarc | Awesome, thank you |
| 01:36.21 | foxlit | Sea.math.round(0.4445); |
| 01:36.25 | foxlit | 0 or 1? :) |
| 01:36.46 | Thelyna | if it doesn't suck, that should be 0 |
| 01:36.48 | Shirik | Sea is still in use? |
| 01:36.56 | foxlit | Docs are still on wiki |
| 01:37.06 | Shirik | that's a stupid function anyway |
| 01:37.36 | Shirik | n = math.floor(n >= 0 and n+0.5 or n-0.5) |
| 01:37.54 | Thelyna | and if n is negative? |
| 01:39.05 | Shirik | oh whoops, that was unnecessarily complex |
| 01:39.16 | Shirik | but the answer would be that it does math.floor(n-0.5) |
| 01:39.37 | Shirik | however I think all I needed was math.floor(n+0.5) |
| 01:39.53 | Thelyna | that would work I think |
| 01:40.16 | clad|away | rounding functions should be explicitly defined |
| 01:40.16 | clad|away | and its easy to do so :P |
| 01:40.19 | Shirik | I don't know why I thought I needed to adjust for negatives |
| 01:40.26 | Thelyna | rounding to decimal places always confuses me |
| 01:40.35 | Shirik | if it were inline I could agree with that |
| 01:40.36 | foxlit | round(-3.7)? |
| 01:40.42 | Shirik | but given that lua has no way to do inline functions |
| 01:41.00 | foxlit | -3 or -4? |
| 01:41.01 | Shirik | Lua 5.1.2 Copyright (C) 1994-2007 Lua.org, PUC-Rio |
| 01:41.03 | Shirik | > = round |
| 01:41.03 | Shirik | nil |
| 01:41.20 | Shirik | -4 |
| 01:41.21 | foxlit | It wouldn't be global either way! |
| 01:41.24 | ckknight | Banker's rounding ftw |
| 01:41.31 | foxlit | Your code would give -3? :) |
| 01:41.39 | Shirik | and that would be math.floor(-3.7 + 0.5) |
| 01:41.40 | Antiarc | inline as in lambda functions? |
| 01:41.47 | Shirik | er.. no |
| 01:41.55 | foxlit | Hm, floor and signs |
| 01:41.58 | ckknight | Antiarc: as in unrolled functions |
| 01:42.01 | Shirik | > = math.floor(-3.7 + 0.5) |
| 01:42.07 | Shirik | -4 |
| 01:42.17 | Thelyna | that goes to -3.2 |
| 01:42.21 | Thelyna | which would drop to -4 |
| 01:42.31 | Shirik | foxlit: math.floor returns the greatest integer that is less than the given input |
| 01:42.37 | ckknight | assert(math.floor(-3.5 + 0.5) == -3) |
| 01:42.45 | ckknight | whereas assert(math.floor(3.5 + 0.5) == 4) |
| 01:42.53 | ckknight | which means it's asymmetric |
| 01:42.53 | foxlit | Yeah, I realized that back at foxlit: Hm, floor and signs |
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| 02:10.41 | Shirik | anyway I'm heading out |
| 02:10.43 | Shirik | take care guys |
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| 02:31.43 | Jumpee | Can AcceptTrade() be used at all from an addon anymore? |
| 02:35.49 | ckknight | doubt it |
| 02:39.57 | Kaydeethree | no |
| 02:40.07 | Kaydeethree | well, ya. it just requires a hardware event |
| 02:40.08 | Jumpee | ckknight I guess you can but it requires a click |
| 02:40.17 | Kaydeethree | which still pisses me off to no end |
| 02:40.36 | Jumpee | Kaydeethree - yeah, makes no sense |
| 02:41.30 | Thelyna | speaking of automation, does disenchanting an item require a hardware event too? |
| 02:43.45 | Jumpee | Thelyna - seems like everything requires a click. Blizz seems to have taken a sledgehammer approach to preventing bots |
| 02:48.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Antiarc, looks fixed |
| 02:48.28 | Antiarc | Excellent. |
| 02:48.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Tell me if this fits |
| 02:48.45 | Antiarc | Thelyna: Disenchant is a spell, so yes, it takes a hardware event |
| 02:48.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Death of neither me nor the mob (raid boss) resulted in threat not being wiped |
| 02:49.21 | Antiarc | What, like a leash? |
| 02:49.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup |
| 02:49.34 | ScytheBlade1 | (Void Reaver) |
| 02:49.35 | Antiarc | Hm. That should do it - you should wipe threat 3 sec after exiting combat |
| 02:49.44 | ScytheBlade1 | So much for that theory then :) |
| 02:49.50 | Antiarc | Okay. I'll test leashing then. |
| 02:51.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Keep in mind: I am a mage, and I did pop invis when I had that "threat not wiped" bug occur |
| 02:51.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Also note that invis doesn't drop combat in a raid ;) |
| 02:52.51 | Thelyna | is it only mages that are reporting funky threat? |
| 02:53.16 | Thelyna | could be something like combat->invis->leash is bugging threat somehow |
| 02:53.56 | ScytheBlade1 | The only time I had it bug on me, is during Void Reaver when he leashed, and I did invis every fight |
| 02:54.05 | Antiarc | Hrm. |
| 02:54.18 | Antiarc | Exiting combat for more than 3 sec should unconditionally wipe threat. |
| 02:54.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Well that's the only issue I had with it |
| 02:54.49 | Kaydeethree | has anyone ever nailed what invis actually does during the 5 seconds of fading? 10% or 20% per second? nothing at all and the tooltip's wrong? |
| 02:54.53 | Antiarc | Okay. Thanks for the heads-up - I'll see if I can hijack a mage buddy's character or something |
| 02:54.58 | Antiarc | 10-10-10-10-60% |
| 02:55.03 | Antiarc | 90, 80, 70, 60, 0% threat. |
| 02:55.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Thought it was progressive |
| 02:55.29 | ScytheBlade1 | 10% of current threat, 10% of current threat, 10% of current threat.. |
| 02:55.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Not total initial threat |
| 02:56.03 | ScytheBlade1 | *shrug* regardless in every case, invis completed and whenever I engaged VR next |
| 02:56.09 | ScytheBlade1 | My threat returned to default |
| 02:56.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Err, to the number it was at before |
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| 03:27.11 | TC-Holding | whats the time it takes to be D/C'd after being afk'd? |
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| 04:02.34 | Thelyna | Thunder_Child: 30min |
| 04:07.41 | Thunder_Child | ok, thanks |
| 04:09.57 | bleeter | dieck: re: your auctioneer SV's getting full there's nothing you can do,r eally... well. actually, you could try maintaining (ie, copying, moving around) the global variables when you switch realms |
| 04:10.36 | bleeter | dieck: we did ask Blizz to introduce a per-realm SV, but they turned us down. We're working on a complete rewrite of Auctioneer that has, well basically, these memory issues completely removed |
| 04:11.50 | bleeter | dieck: you *might* be able to get away with some of your own local hackery, but it may be incompatible with future updates from Auctioneer v4's stream, or with other mods that rely on Auctioneer to function in a specific way |
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| 04:46.23 | ckknight | bleeter: can I have a hint about how the rewrite handles it? |
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| 04:56.20 | bleeter | ckknight: you'd probably wanna talk to MP or norgs about this, they know the code much better than me. Apart from that, it's in our trunk |
| 04:57.02 | ckknight | hey norgs_away, I want to know the secretses |
| 04:59.14 | bleeter | ckknight: oh yeah, norgs is real busy in J2ME foo... MP's prolly more likely to be alive, although he's no doubt got his bits in Harry Potter atm, and therefore afk |
| 04:59.52 | ckknight | Harry Potter dies |
| 04:59.54 | ckknight | from AIDS |
| 05:00.06 | The_GoldFish | in his face |
| 05:00.07 | ckknight | from Ron |
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| 05:59.51 | norganna | ckknight: uh? |
| 06:07.45 | norganna | bleeter: no, actually. marital diplomacy dictates that i either wait for , |
| 06:08.08 | norganna | my wife to finish potter before reading it, or going and getting an extra copy |
| 06:08.21 | Kirov | lol |
| 06:09.44 | Antiarc | Hehe, you too, norganna? |
| 06:09.58 | norganna | yah |
| 06:10.17 | norganna | sex > potter, so i wait. |
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| 06:13.25 | Antiarc | See |
| 06:13.34 | Antiarc | I'm not getting sex till she's finished with Potter either |
| 06:13.40 | Antiarc | So I'm kinda at an impasse. |
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| 06:16.29 | art3mis | haha |
| 06:17.26 | norganna | oh no... you can't let that happen! |
| 06:17.37 | norganna | you don't have kids, right? |
| 06:18.12 | Antiarc | Heheh, no, no kids. |
| 06:18.40 | Antiarc | She logged on long enough for her Gruul run tongiht and bolted as soon as the loot was linked. |
| 06:19.18 | norganna | see, once the kids come along, you either (a) develop some kind of schedule, (b) never have sex again, or (c) find a mistress and/or get divorced |
| 06:19.27 | Antiarc | (a) is the most likely option |
| 06:19.41 | art3mis | c is the most fun ;) |
| 06:20.02 | norganna | good thing about (a) is that there is that potter can't interfere |
| 06:20.09 | art3mis | oddlyenough when your wife IS your mistress;P |
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| 06:20.41 | norganna | s/there is that// |
| 06:20.52 | Wobwork | anyone who's read/doesn't want to read Potterdammerung, want to read a good mst3k of the book? |
| 06:21.45 | Guillotine | I preordered my HP book, but it hasn't arrived yet :( |
| 06:21.52 | Guillotine | though I kind of forgot what happened in the 6th one anyway |
| 06:22.03 | Wobwork | Rocks fall, everyone dies =) |
| 06:22.55 | Wobwork | http://www.somethingpositive.net/sp05032002.shtml |
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| 07:05.42 | Nom- | hmmm |
| 07:11.43 | Nom- | I hate moral dilemmas |
| 07:12.05 | Nom- | The guild i'm currently in is moving a lot slower than I'd hoped through raid content |
| 07:12.39 | Nom- | I'm tempted to join another guild, who has a couple of people in it I know from RL |
| 07:12.39 | Nom- | But dun want to abandon the friends i've made in my current guild |
| 07:12.41 | Nom- | *sigh* |
| 07:16.10 | norganna | Nom: Turn your current friends in the guild against the guild leader, then take them with you to the new guild, in the process starting a guild war. |
| 07:16.35 | Nom- | ahah! |
| 07:16.38 | Nom- | An elegant solution! |
| 07:16.51 | Nom- | Except i'm friendly with the guild leaders |
| 07:16.52 | Nom- | :( |
| 07:17.33 | Nom- | We're all pretty close |
| 07:17.40 | Nom- | In fact the guild that I'm considering moving to |
| 07:17.43 | Nom- | We used to be one guild |
| 07:17.44 | Nom- | :) |
| 07:17.58 | norganna | ahh |
| 07:18.06 | Nom- | We split up in TBC to help with the issue of how to organise raids |
| 07:18.09 | Thunder_Child | just try explaining it |
| 07:18.13 | Nom- | We had two full 40-man raid teams |
| 07:18.34 | Nom- | So we broke the guild up into 3 guilds with the aim of making 3 x 25-man teams lol |
| 07:21.15 | Nom- | It just kinda sucks because we're stuck running Kara and occasionally killing High King every week |
| 07:21.26 | Nom- | Whereas the other guild is clearing SSC/TK |
| 07:22.06 | Nom- | The guild leaders all want to leave Kara behind, but some of our core raiders don't seem to be making the effort to get that gear |
| 07:22.26 | Nom- | Some of them aren't even making it to Kara on a regular basis :( |
| 07:23.14 | norganna | sounds like it's kinda falling apart |
| 07:24.54 | Nom- | Sounds a bit like it :( |
| 07:25.28 | Nom- | I think there's a significant % of the guild who are happy with just casual raiding |
| 07:25.48 | Nom- | There's a larger % of the guild who wants to go hardcore raiding, but can't do that without the "casual" people |
| 07:26.26 | Nom- | We're about as close to casual raiding as it gets, I think... we really only have 2 raid days slated... Thursday = 25-man, Sunday = Karazhan |
| 07:26.41 | Nom- | Thursday usually ends up being kill HK in 2-3 tries, then wipe fest on Gruul |
| 07:27.04 | nevcairiel | with one day in 25mans, you really whonder why you progress too slow ? :P |
| 07:27.20 | Nom- | Yah, well we hit 25-mans on Monday most of the time too |
| 07:27.28 | Nom- | Sunday is meant to be the hardcore progression day |
| 07:27.31 | Nom- | But we're stuck in Kara |
| 07:29.13 | Nom- | Do you think it's unreasonable to want your guild to actually attempt to progress to new content, and to effectively say to those who are lagging behind, to either bring their A game, or /gquit ? |
| 07:29.28 | Guillotine | just make it clear that its a raiding guild |
| 07:29.31 | Guillotine | and not a social guild |
| 07:29.51 | Nom- | Well, I think that's the problem lol.. we started off as Type A |
| 07:29.54 | Nom- | And we've progressed to Type B |
| 07:30.58 | Nom- | At one point, the GL's set out a schedule and said that we would no longer be doing organised Kara runs... that was meant to end 2 weeks ago |
| 07:31.35 | Nom- | Instead we've gone and started Kara Season 2 because there's too many people who STILL haven't got enough gear to progress to perminent 25-man raids |
| 07:31.50 | Nom- | Our MT and healers are well geared |
| 07:32.05 | Nom- | But the DPS, who should be able to gear up in so many ways, are still not geared |
| 07:32.23 | nevcairiel | guess they dont care |
| 07:32.25 | Nom- | I mean you only really need the MT/OT/Healers to raid, the DPS should be able to PVP/Arena/Heroic |
| 07:32.47 | Nom- | It's just healing/tanking gear which is really only available through raiding, right ? |
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| 07:32.59 | nevcairiel | nah |
| 07:33.03 | Guillotine | even healing gear is available somewhat through PvP |
| 07:33.07 | sag_ich_nicht | :O |
| 07:33.13 | Guillotine | at least for some classes |
| 07:33.19 | Guillotine | but ya, tanking gear will be PvE |
| 07:33.21 | Guillotine | except druids |
| 07:33.32 | nevcairiel | i am wearing my arena season2 chest thing, because my T5 sucks |
| 07:33.34 | Guillotine | druids get some nice tanking gear from PvP (e.g. bracers) |
| 07:33.35 | nevcairiel | being a resto druid |
| 07:33.52 | Guillotine | but warr/pally tanking will be from PvE |
| 07:33.54 | Guillotine | except shield |
| 07:34.01 | Guillotine | anyway, gn all |
| 07:34.06 | Thunder_Child | night Guillotine |
| 07:34.09 | nevcairiel | night |
| 07:34.41 | nevcairiel | every class can get their gear from PvE .. karazhan really has full epic equip for every class |
| 07:34.55 | nevcairiel | with some luck, you can get that pretty quick |
| 07:35.26 | Nom- | Well, it has a few holes in the gear |
| 07:35.37 | Nom- | But yeah, most specs/classes can be filled from Kara |
| 07:35.45 | nevcairiel | combine that with heroics etc, and you are fine :) |
| 07:36.00 | Thunder_Child | arent they supposed to be putting in another 10-man? |
| 07:36.09 | nevcairiel | yeah zul'aman with 2.3 iirc |
| 07:36.36 | Nom- | Well as long as they can fill the missing slots in that, i'll be happy |
| 07:36.50 | Nom- | Plate + Spell Damage + Spell Crit for instance |
| 07:36.54 | nevcairiel | its supposed to be a successor to karazhan, so you need kara equip basicly to be successfull there |
| 07:37.37 | nevcairiel | i read a bluepost that the first boss in zul'aman should be around prince/nightbane difficulty |
| 07:37.40 | nevcairiel | and going up from there |
| 07:37.44 | Nom- | Yuh, maybe i'll see how that works out... they haven't turned it on for the PTR yet hey? |
| 07:37.53 | nevcairiel | no |
| 07:38.08 | nevcairiel | its not even in the next patch |
| 07:38.13 | nevcairiel | last thing i heard |
| 07:38.24 | Nom- | Well, many people seem to think it should be |
| 07:38.31 | Nom- | And it just hasn't been turned on in this phase of testing |
| 07:38.39 | Nom- | Like the voice chat...that's not documented in the patch notes last i checked ? |
| 07:39.02 | nevcairiel | no but it at least was announced .. :) |
| 07:39.32 | Nom- | Well, Zul'Aman was announced too... in the same posts |
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| 07:39.38 | nevcairiel | well maybe blizz suprises us :) |
| 07:39.40 | Kirov | And there's tons of stuff in the API that never got used |
| 07:39.54 | Kirov | like all the minigame functions |
| 07:40.08 | Kirov | Nothing ever came of that, and they've been in there for 2 years now |
| 07:41.04 | Nom- | Well, I would guess |
| 07:41.17 | Nom- | That if Voice Comms isn't part of 2.2.0, it'll be part of 2.2.1 |
| 07:41.30 | The_GoldFish | oh goody |
| 07:41.36 | Nom- | They might push 2.2 without voice comms just to make sure there's no problems with the core sound stuff |
| 07:41.40 | The_GoldFish | so I'll get to listen to the voices of everyone I team with from now on? |
| 07:41.40 | The_GoldFish | heh |
| 07:41.41 | Nom- | Then push voice comms |
| 07:42.09 | Nom- | If the changes to the sound system are as comprehensive as they say, then that'd be the smart way to do it |
| 07:42.17 | Nom- | Push part of the changes, make sure that works, then push the rest |
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| 07:43.14 | The_GoldFish | yeah, makes the most sense |
| 07:44.02 | The_GoldFish | so uh, what're they doing to the sound system (ie got a link handy where I can read about it?) |
| 07:45.06 | Nom- | It's all backend work |
| 07:45.09 | sag_ich_nicht | WoW should just integrate Mumble |
| 07:45.18 | Nom- | But it's in preparation for the ingame voice chat |
| 07:45.20 | sag_ich_nicht | instead of writing it's own system for VoIP |
| 07:45.32 | Nom- | Which will do things such as silence the ingame sounds when someone is talking |
| 07:45.42 | Nom- | So they don't have to yell over the game sound |
| 07:46.14 | Nom- | It wouldn't surpise me if they just go and use a Teamspeak-like backend for each realm |
| 07:46.18 | Nom- | :) |
| 07:46.41 | Nom- | And I can all but guarantee they won't write a VoIP engine from the ground up for it |
| 07:46.45 | The_GoldFish | finger's crossed it'll stop resetting the equaliser on my sound card then |
| 07:46.50 | sag_ich_nicht | Mumble > Ventrilo > Teamspeak |
| 07:46.59 | Nom- | They will have bought some kind of embedded VoIP client |
| 07:47.13 | sag_ich_nicht | and Mumble would integrate into WoW without a problem D: |
| 07:47.19 | The_GoldFish | but I doubt it, hehe |
| 07:48.08 | Nom- | Does Mumble have a Vista client ? |
| 07:49.13 | Nom- | Bleh, 32-bit |
| 07:49.34 | Nom- | Might work with Vista 64 i guess |
| 07:49.41 | Nom- | Teamspeak/Vent does I guess |
| 07:58.33 | Nom- | test |
| 08:03.06 | zenzelezz | http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/dave.jpg -- this just cracks me up |
| 08:04.23 | Nom- | lol |
| 08:04.28 | Nom- | in a dryer, i'm assuming ? |
| 08:08.51 | zenzelezz | looks that way |
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| 08:33.07 | The_GoldFish | can I do like, checks against if a party member is my target's target or my focus' target in lua? |
| 08:33.53 | zenzelezz | if (UnitIsUnit("focustarget", "party2") or UnitIsUnit("targettarget", "party2")) then |
| 08:33.57 | zenzelezz | if I recall correctly |
| 08:34.31 | The_GoldFish | thought it'd be something like that based on the macros I've seen |
| 08:34.32 | The_GoldFish | cheers |
| 08:34.43 | The_GoldFish | basically just gonna hack monitorstatus some more, hehe |
| 08:41.22 | The_GoldFish | and uh, is .. the operator for joining 2 strings? |
| 08:41.57 | zenzelezz | yes |
| 08:42.15 | The_GoldFish | good good, I uh, havn't dabbled for a while >_> |
| 08:45.40 | The_GoldFish | woo, that works, heh |
| 08:45.44 | Maldivia | The_GoldFish: if UnitInParty("targettarget") then |
| 08:46.22 | zenzelezz | if he doesn't want one specific party member, good point |
| 08:46.58 | The_GoldFish | I actually did want a specific party member, heh |
| 08:47.21 | The_GoldFish | cheers though, might come in handy |
| 08:48.18 | The_GoldFish | Basically I just wanted it to draw fancy arrows on my party health/mana readouts for who had agro |
| 08:48.34 | The_GoldFish | so in fact, that *is* useful, cause I should add a clause that checks if my target/focus isn't in my party, heh |
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| 08:58.25 | The_GoldFish | ok cheers guys, that seems to do exactly what I wanted |
| 09:04.32 | The_GoldFish | hmm, can that be combined with mouseover? |
| 09:06.07 | The_GoldFish | haha |
| 09:06.10 | The_GoldFish | cool, it can |
| 09:07.39 | The_GoldFish | man, I wish that had been harder to do, now I'm bore |
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| 09:10.12 | The_GoldFish | I guess you can only chain those things twice |
| 09:10.23 | The_GoldFish | so you couldn't do targettargettarget, hehe |
| 09:10.32 | zenzelezz | you're wrong |
| 09:10.48 | zenzelezz | but every time you do it it takes more work |
| 09:11.14 | The_GoldFish | yeah, I imagine it would |
| 09:11.45 | Kirov | you should be able to do nearly infinite targettargettargettarget... |
| 09:12.20 | The_GoldFish | well in theory, yeah, but I'd have assumed they would have put a cap on it or something to stop people setting fire to certain hardware components |
| 09:12.45 | Kirov | Of course, it's a bit like adding blades to a razor, you _can_ have as many as you want, but after the first handful it's not that useful |
| 09:13.16 | The_GoldFish | yeah, I'm just trying to ascertain exactly what I'd even want to know |
| 09:13.25 | krka | in practice, chains aren't very long |
| 09:13.34 | krka | so the operation would stop, and thus be fairly fast |
| 09:13.52 | The_GoldFish | I guess I want to know if anyone's target is attacking a member of the party |
| 09:14.35 | The_GoldFish | since I'm the only one who apparently even makes use of focus |
| 09:15.12 | zenzelezz | doubt that |
| 09:15.40 | The_GoldFish | well, I team almost exclusively with them |
| 09:15.56 | The_GoldFish | I have 4 macros, and I think that's 4 more than anyone else in the team, heh |
| 09:16.20 | zenzelezz | macros aren't synonymous with the use of "focus" though |
| 09:16.49 | sag_ich_nicht | ~whalecrit Novell |
| 09:16.50 | purl | ACTION crits Novell with a mathematically skilled whale named Isaac for #NaN. Novell dies |
| 09:16.58 | sag_ich_nicht | netware is bad |
| 09:17.01 | sag_ich_nicht | and needs to DIAF |
| 09:17.02 | sag_ich_nicht | >< |
| 09:17.13 | The_GoldFish | yeah, I know, it's just, we're *really* quite casual |
| 09:22.45 | krka | are there any ingame ui for focus management? |
| 09:22.49 | krka | without addons, that is |
| 09:23.13 | zenzelezz | I believe you can set and target focus through key bindings in default UI; but none are bound by default |
| 09:23.29 | The_GoldFish | a glow around the target pane is about the only indication you've got something focussed |
| 09:23.35 | The_GoldFish | that I've ever seen anyway |
| 09:24.09 | krka | no unit frame for focus? |
| 09:24.21 | zenzelezz | not in default UI |
| 09:24.26 | krka | crappy |
| 09:25.16 | Kirov | EQ has it built in to the main UI from the start. |
| 09:25.44 | The_GoldFish | yeah it's odd that there's zip for it |
| 09:26.12 | Kirov | I have a feeling it's one of those things the WoW designers got asked about _a lot_ and finally said, "fine, let them have it." |
| 09:26.16 | The_GoldFish | I use it all the time, when I didn't have any way of monitoring it I usually had no idea how a fight was going (I'm a priest) cause I Was typically healing the tank |
| 09:26.30 | Kirov | But I'm pretty sure they never intended to let players have it at the start. |
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| 09:27.43 | krka | hmm... couldn't you use focus distributed to keep track of individual mobs? |
| 09:27.48 | Nom- | http://www.wowjutsu.com/us/stormscale/ <-- omg best idea ever |
| 09:27.58 | zenzelezz | krka: how? |
| 09:28.01 | Nom- | They've got a script which scans armory for all guild members gear |
| 09:28.11 | krka | everyone in the raid keeps track of a unique mob with /focus |
| 09:28.17 | Nom- | And it works out your guilds' progress based on the gear that each raid member is wearing |
| 09:28.18 | zenzelezz | focus is local |
| 09:28.24 | zenzelezz | can't do party3focus |
| 09:28.26 | krka | then everything else is refered to as "raidXfocus" |
| 09:28.27 | krka | oh... |
| 09:28.29 | zenzelezz | as far as I know |
| 09:28.31 | krka | didnt know that :/ |
| 09:30.13 | The_GoldFish | best thing to do with a lot of mobs is press v I guess |
| 09:30.13 | The_GoldFish | heh |
| 09:30.49 | Kirov | Yeah, focus is local. You can't know anyone else's focus unless they're already targeting it ... and they tell you it's their focus. |
| 09:31.07 | The_GoldFish | then you could set it as your focus |
| 09:31.16 | The_GoldFish | and then you could tell them it's your focus too! |
| 09:31.20 | The_GoldFish | then you could all be friends 4 evar |
| 09:31.21 | The_GoldFish | hehe |
| 09:32.51 | Kirov | I just always keep myself as my own focus. My narcissism wouldn't let me do otherwise. |
| 09:34.24 | The_GoldFish | lol |
| 09:34.40 | The_GoldFish | I have a simple macro which targets the tank and sets my focus as his target |
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| 09:38.47 | Kirov | anyone remember if |
| 09:38.47 | Kirov | local origFunction = Function; |
| 09:38.47 | Kirov | hooksecurefunc("Function",myFunction) |
| 09:38.47 | Kirov | results in the local reference not having the hook |
| 09:39.32 | krka | that would probably be the case |
| 09:39.55 | krka | unless blizzard does some freaky stuff in the lua engine |
| 09:40.05 | krka | the plain lua engine can NOT modify functions |
| 09:42.10 | Kirov | local version does not have the hook. |
| 09:42.11 | Kirov | good |
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| 09:43.30 | Kirov | I have a function that calls a function that then hooks that function to call itself |
| 09:43.32 | Kirov | mwahaha |
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| 09:53.36 | The_GoldFish | ok I think I've got how to do the crazy if someone else's target is attacking the party, work out who it is and mark it |
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| 09:59.10 | zenzelezz | sometimes the order you link quests in can make it sound... interesting |
| 09:59.25 | zenzelezz | [1. General] [...]: lfm Torgos! Fumping Evil Draws Near |
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| 10:50.22 | sag_ich_nicht | [11:43] <Kirov> I have a function that calls a function that then hooks that function to call itself <--what the hell is the point of that D: |
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| 12:42.11 | Osagasu | It feels really wierd, having the gear to be vendoring an epic. x.x |
| 12:42.25 | zenzelezz | hurts, doesn't it |
| 12:42.31 | Osagasu | Yeah, it does |
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| 12:42.46 | Osagasu | But I switched out my Moroes neck for the uber Prince one, so s'all good. |
| 12:42.59 | Osagasu | Even if it's still only 10 man. =P |
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| 13:48.47 | Lopeppeppy | Dr. Demento is not a good sign as the start to my work week.... *facepalm* |
| 13:49.15 | zenzelezz | they're coming to take you away, haha? |
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| 13:49.37 | Lopeppeppy | I like that song. *laugh* It's the Dungeons and Dragons one that heralds a bad workday! |
| 13:49.46 | Lopeppeppy | "I have a dagger +9 against Server Failure" |
| 13:49.51 | Lopeppeppy | "You're NOT THERE!!" |
| 13:52.36 | zenzelezz | I really wish you could buy a couple more stable slots, even if they cost 100g a piece |
| 13:53.35 | Lopeppeppy | Didn't they add one more a while back? I've wondered why they didn't expand it one more with TBC. |
| 13:54.10 | zenzelezz | I guess they just don't want us to have a lot of pets to switch around with |
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| 13:54.43 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah... it's like the talent-respec thing, they want significant playstyle choices to be deeply considered choices. |
| 13:55.34 | sag_ich_nicht | no, what they want you to do is spend more time playing the game. |
| 13:55.36 | sag_ich_nicht | :) |
| 13:55.52 | zenzelezz | I don't see the relevance |
| 13:56.01 | Lopeppeppy | Well, of course they do. *shrug* |
| 13:56.22 | sag_ich_nicht | zenzelezz be glad you don't, be glad you don'T :O |
| 13:56.34 | sag_ich_nicht | s/'T/'t/ |
| 13:56.56 | zenzelezz | respeccing or getting a new pet wouldn't affect my play time at all |
| 13:57.16 | sag_ich_nicht | o rly |
| 13:57.34 | sag_ich_nicht | you have to train the new pet up |
| 13:57.38 | sag_ich_nicht | level it to your level |
| 13:57.39 | Lopeppeppy | Sometimes it does mine, in that I make a change that revitalizes my interest... but in general, my participation is what it is. |
| 13:57.45 | zenzelezz | I am well aware of that sag |
| 13:57.47 | sag_ich_nicht | get the gold back that you spent respeccing |
| 13:57.50 | sag_ich_nicht | all a timesink |
| 13:57.51 | sag_ich_nicht | :) |
| 13:58.01 | zenzelezz | wouldn't say so |
| 13:58.06 | zenzelezz | a respec is half a day's dailies |
| 13:58.15 | zenzelezz | and training a pet is part of the fun |
| 13:58.29 | foxlit | Dailies are boring :( |
| 13:58.34 | foxlit | gief free gold already |
| 13:58.48 | zenzelezz | boring but quick |
| 13:59.08 | foxlit | By quick you mean an hour or so? |
| 13:59.40 | zenzelezz | can't remember how long I take on mine, but doesn't seem like a lot |
| 13:59.53 | foxlit | Do all 10, or? |
| 13:59.59 | zenzelezz | six |
| 14:00.09 | foxlit | So a respec is 30g? ) |
| 14:00.19 | zenzelezz | less than that |
| 14:00.23 | zenzelezz | unless you respec daily |
| 14:00.24 | sag_ich_nicht | lol |
| 14:00.30 | sag_ich_nicht | you didn't respec a lot now did you |
| 14:00.37 | sag_ich_nicht | probably not playin a hybrid :O |
| 14:00.37 | foxlit | Unless you respec more often than once a month, really |
| 14:00.42 | zenzelezz | of course not, and I have no pity on those that do |
| 14:00.50 | Wobin_ | it's true |
| 14:00.53 | Wobin_ | dailies are boring |
| 14:01.02 | zenzelezz | never questioned that |
| 14:01.16 | Lopeppeppy | I play a 70 paladin whom I haven't had to respec in 3 months. It's not true that hybrids have to respec at the drop of a hat. |
| 14:01.40 | zenzelezz | if I had to respec all the time I'd find a new guild |
| 14:01.59 | Wobin_ | oh I'm not doubting, merely agreeing =) |
| 14:02.03 | Lopeppeppy | Or re-roll a class I could feel I understood. |
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| 14:12.36 | foxlit | Bah, why must netherdrakes have such an annoying resistance to shadow? |
| 14:12.56 | zenzelezz | think it's in the name |
| 14:14.02 | foxlit | Yeah, but what am I supposed to do with them? Wand them to death? |
| 14:14.21 | zenzelezz | that's how I got my priest to 57 \o/ |
| 14:14.34 | foxlit | Stops working in BC |
| 14:14.39 | Lopeppeppy | Holy damage? Fire damage? |
| 14:14.48 | foxlit | lolsmite! |
| 14:15.05 | Lopeppeppy | I agree, my Smite is not mighty. |
| 14:15.46 | foxlit | And then they manaburn |
| 14:19.26 | Lopeppeppy | Then I hire myself a cool robot chicken. *shrug* |
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| 14:32.51 | TS|Skrom | and a good morning to youy all |
| 14:33.43 | Lopeppeppy | Good morning, TS|Skrom. |
| 14:34.54 | TS|Skrom | I had a wonderful chance to be reminded that property ownership is not all fun and free money this weekend. |
| 14:35.15 | TS|Skrom | Had to go over and clean out a fridge left by a tenant who was evicted. Power had been off for about a week. |
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| 14:37.22 | zenzelezz | you packed it up and sent it to his new address, yes? |
| 14:37.56 | TS|Skrom | that would have requred touching it more then once. It was hard enough getting the slimy rotten chicken into the garbage without puking (more then once) |
| 14:37.58 | Lopeppeppy | Icky. *comforts TS|Skrom* |
| 14:38.13 | Lopeppeppy | Always do your inspection within 24 hours, my friend. |
| 14:38.35 | TS|Skrom | the power had been out for a week.. but he wasn't officially "evicted" until friday |
| 14:38.51 | TS|Skrom | so we went in as soon as we could, only found out about the power when we found his old bills |
| 14:45.03 | Lopeppeppy | Eeew. |
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| 16:25.45 | TS|Skrom | I give up |
| 16:25.57 | Lopeppeppy | Nooo... strive on, TS|Skrom! *hug* |
| 16:26.18 | TS|Skrom | I'm not going to try and save them any money on their cell phone plans because they continue to go behind me and make changes which cost us 3x their actual plan fees every month |
| 16:26.31 | Lopeppeppy | Beat 'em with a stick! |
| 16:27.10 | TS|Skrom | guy went over his plan by 528 minutes... at .40 a minute that's 211$... for 30$ I could have gotten him 800 extra minutes. |
| 16:27.41 | TS|Skrom | but no, they don't listen and I'm the one who gets stuck with 32 hours a week because it's the slow season and hours need to be cut. |
| 16:28.05 | Lopeppeppy | Yuk.... the cell phone business is very odd to my brain, I admit. |
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| 16:37.14 | Lopeppeppy | More new "dead of cute" style cat pictures. http://s29.photobucket.com/albums/c271/jarien/Kendra/ |
| 16:40.34 | zenzelezz | hehe, she looks a bit like my cat :-) |
| 16:42.32 | Lopeppeppy | She's a pip, no doubt about it. She's been chasing invisible mice all morning long. |
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| 16:42.57 | zenzelezz | mine does that mostly at night, in the living room... |
| 16:43.22 | Lopeppeppy | I'm alseep, I dunno what she chases at night. :) |
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| 17:26.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | my friend had a cat that would flip out and run through the entire house from one side to the other all night |
| 17:26.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | it was weird |
| 17:27.24 | Lopeppeppy | Cats are just like that. It's what I call "invisible mouse" behavior... just running amok like their tail is on fire. |
| 17:27.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | it would like run into walls and stuff |
| 17:27.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | at full force |
| 17:27.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | run into other cats |
| 17:27.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | the thing was crazy at night |
| 17:27.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | but during the day, normal cat behavior |
| 17:27.59 | Lopeppeppy | Spiritualists say that cats can see ghosts, and that a ghost in the house is the cause of cat-weird. Since I live in a brand new complex, unless this was some burial ground in the Civil War, I think that's crazy. |
| 17:28.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | maybe it's a ghost dog |
| 17:28.38 | zenzelezz | haven't you learned anything from American movies? *Every* location is an old indian burial ground |
| 17:28.38 | Lopeppeppy | Oooh, could be a gangster in the concrete foundation! |
| 17:28.40 | Lopeppeppy | Jimmy Hoffa was buried here! |
| 17:29.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | also housepets are perfect devices for detecting paranormal creatures |
| 17:29.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | so many movies have cats hissing at ghosts and stuff |
| 17:29.29 | Lopeppeppy | Totally. Dogs don't care, but cats can scare away the Mummy himself. |
| 17:29.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | or dogs barking at them seconds before a supporting character gets offed |
| 17:29.33 | Lopeppeppy | *hissssss* |
| 17:29.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | HAY ROVER WHY YOU BARKING *stickety stab* |
| 17:30.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | speaking of animals screwing everyone else over, i rewatched alien and alien 3 the other day |
| 17:30.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | i need to rewatch aliens |
| 17:31.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | damn animals always getting people killed in movies |
| 17:31.41 | zenzelezz | http://home.samsen.com/zenzelezz/modems.jpg -- definitely something paranormal going on |
| 17:32.55 | Lopeppeppy | Kitty is just.... adjusting your bandwidth, zenzelezz. Pay no attention to the ticking. |
| 17:33.11 | Lopeppeppy | My favorite movie was "Cat from Outer Space"... dorky as that is, it's my favorite animal movie. |
| 17:33.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | hrm |
| 17:33.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | i can't say i'm a fan of animal movies |
| 17:34.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | i think hollywood has me jaded with the huge influx of CG "watch animals go on crazy hijinks" movies in the last few years |
| 17:34.58 | zenzelezz | I want animals acting human-like, not animals acting human |
| 17:35.02 | zenzelezz | movies overdo it usually |
| 17:35.13 | zenzelezz | (for my taste) |
| 17:35.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't mind CG |
| 17:35.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | as long as it doesn't mean that traditional animation doesn't go away |
| 17:36.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | like 2D games |
| 17:36.07 | zenzelezz | I know what you mean |
| 17:36.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | there's hardly any 2d games outside of the independent field these days |
| 17:36.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | and it sucks |
| 17:36.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | there's plenty of reasons to make games 2d |
| 17:36.22 | zenzelezz | I don't mind CG in itself, but it's used so horribly in many circumstances |
| 17:36.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | Alien 3 has the worst CG ever |
| 17:36.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's hilarious |
| 17:36.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | all the CG has an awful green tint |
| 17:36.46 | zenzelezz | "hay guyse, lets spend $30m on CG and $50k on actors" |
| 17:36.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | and the rest of the movie has an orangey tint |
| 17:37.00 | zenzelezz | and $100 on a script |
| 17:37.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | so the CG stands out about as much as it can |
| 17:37.03 | zenzelezz | *script |
| 17:38.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | they're making an Aliens movie |
| 17:38.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | i can't wait |
| 17:38.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | er |
| 17:38.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | game, rofl |
| 17:38.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | game based on Aliens, i believe |
| 17:38.48 | zenzelezz | despite mixing a good and a not so good movie, I really enjoyed AvP2 (the game) |
| 17:39.05 | Cide | it's a good game |
| 17:39.05 | zenzelezz | the alien campaign scared the hell out of me... kept taking breaks every hour to calm down |
| 17:39.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | i like both the Alien and Predator series |
| 17:39.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | and the SNES AVP game |
| 17:40.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | the first pc AVP game was terrible, but AVP 2 got it right |
| 17:40.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh and the AVP arcade game was amazing |
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| 17:40.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | it was so fun |
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| 17:40.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | it played like the standard beatemups with humans and predators working together to kill off aliens |
| 17:40.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | it was insanely awesome |
| 17:43.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | 4 player, 4 characters, 2 predators, 2 humans |
| 17:43.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | all with completely different abilities |
| 17:43.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | it was awesome |
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| 18:01.10 | foxlit | Full-Screen glow kills my macbook's performance :( |
| 18:02.09 | ScytheBlade1 | I miss fullscreen glow :/ |
| 18:04.20 | zenzelezz | radioactive sheep! |
| 18:04.46 | zenzelezz | something about "full screen glow"/"HDR" always reminds me of a certain Devil's Advocate article in PCGamer |
| 18:05.06 | foxlit | But only using the native mac client. Bootcamp'ed WinXP doesn't seem to mind |
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| 18:31.03 | zenzelezz | trying to multi-tank a priest and brute on the last pull before Gruul = interesting |
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| 18:36.06 | zenzelezz | seems some lucky bastard on my server got the legendary mainhand from Illidan :-| |
| 18:37.02 | ScytheBlade1 | The fact that the Skull of Gul'dan is *not a legendary* means that nothing else matters |
| 18:37.15 | TS|Skrom | it's not ? wtf |
| 18:37.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Nope |
| 18:37.31 | ScytheBlade1 | It's an "epic" |
| 18:37.41 | TS|Skrom | wow that's pretty messed up |
| 18:37.48 | ScytheBlade1 | But the fact that the SKULL OF *GUL'DAN* is NOT a Legendary.. |
| 18:37.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Just makes everything else... I mean, who cares? |
| 18:37.59 | zenzelezz | :-p |
| 18:38.04 | zenzelezz | it does sound odd |
| 18:38.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Purple text, grey text, big deal |
| 18:38.44 | ScytheBlade1 | It's a caster offhand that has haste rating and a large amount of +dmg |
| 18:38.59 | ScytheBlade1 | And +hit it seems |
| 18:39.01 | zenzelezz | but hey, casters already have one legendary; physical users only have four or five |
| 18:39.01 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=32483 |
| 18:39.05 | ScytheBlade1 | NOT A LEGENDARY. |
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| 18:39.21 | TS|Skrom | trinket you mean? |
| 18:39.38 | ScytheBlade1 | *blink* Yes trinket |
| 18:39.41 | zenzelezz | doesn't matter what slot it's for |
| 18:39.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | maybe it was weakened when illidan ate it |
| 18:40.05 | zenzelezz | just seemed skewed that physical DPS gets so many legendaries but casters not |
| 18:40.06 | ScytheBlade1 | It was, obviously |
| 18:40.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | which would explain the lack of you being driven utterly insane |
| 18:40.10 | ScytheBlade1 | He drew the power out of it |
| 18:40.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | and whatnot |
| 18:40.19 | ScytheBlade1 | But crap, it's _not a legendary_ |
| 18:40.37 | The_GoldFish | to be fair |
| 18:40.39 | zenzelezz | it doesn't help if you keep saying it |
| 18:40.42 | ScytheBlade1 | :( |
| 18:40.46 | The_GoldFish | it's much easier to make a legendary super sword |
| 18:40.53 | The_GoldFish | because swords are cool |
| 18:41.07 | zenzelezz | I want a legendary axe |
| 18:41.16 | zenzelezz | stop with the sword love already :-/ |
| 18:41.19 | ScytheBlade1 | And the most powerful item in the world (OF WARCRAFT) isn't? |
| 18:41.24 | Lopeppeppy | I want a legendary brownie, with little marshmallow bits. |
| 18:41.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | maybe it's not more powerful now |
| 18:41.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Illidan already had the swords. |
| 18:41.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | since he ate it |
| 18:41.33 | ScytheBlade1 | He still wanted the skull. |
| 18:41.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | er, not the most powerful |
| 18:41.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Next to the well :P |
| 18:41.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | maybe it's no longer mint-in-box |
| 18:41.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | and thus lost some of its quality |
| 18:42.12 | TS|Skrom | what *IS* azzinoth lol |
| 18:42.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | a pit lord |
| 18:42.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | i think |
| 18:42.37 | zenzelezz | probably some powerful being |
| 18:42.39 | TS|Skrom | because apparently a broken off shard is enough to be "epic" |
| 18:42.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | they were his blades |
| 18:42.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | he was a doomguard |
| 18:42.57 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Azzinoth <-- that |
| 18:42.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | not a pit lord |
| 18:43.54 | TS|Skrom | the betrayer took more then his blades apparently |
| 18:43.59 | TS|Skrom | his shield and his dagger too XD |
| 18:44.31 | Lopeppeppy | Hey. Scarper with it all, why not? |
| 18:44.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | "hey furion, tyrande, look over there!" *ninja loots* |
| 18:45.23 | TS|Skrom | memento of tyrande > skull of gul'dan (at least to me) |
| 18:45.27 | TS|Skrom | that's sadness |
| 18:45.29 | Lopeppeppy | Why not scarper with Tyrande too? |
| 18:46.42 | lolinternet | there |
| 18:46.57 | sag_ich_nicht | it's over. |
| 18:46.58 | sag_ich_nicht | R.I.P. Harry Potter Hype, 1997-2007 |
| 18:47.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh it's never over |
| 18:47.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | rowling will milk that franchise for all it's worth |
| 18:47.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | i guarantee it |
| 18:47.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | or at least the publisher will |
| 18:47.20 | sag_ich_nicht | oh sure, it will ressurect a bit until the films are all done |
| 18:47.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | even if she doesn't |
| 18:47.30 | sag_ich_nicht | the end is quite |
| 18:47.31 | sag_ich_nicht | well |
| 18:47.31 | sag_ich_nicht | final |
| 18:47.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | sidestories, more marketing opportunities, prequels |
| 18:47.58 | sag_ich_nicht | prequels are not possible due too the markup of book 7 |
| 18:48.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | there's no way that book 7 will be the last of potter |
| 18:48.02 | sag_ich_nicht | sidestories neither |
| 18:48.08 | sag_ich_nicht | oh |
| 18:48.18 | sag_ich_nicht | she said she might make a few school books, like the 2 she already did |
| 18:48.26 | sag_ich_nicht | but these are for charity |
| 18:48.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | why can't they do one talking about the origins of voldemort, back to harry's parent's heydays |
| 18:48.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | and whatnot |
| 18:48.39 | sag_ich_nicht | they did |
| 18:48.41 | Lopeppeppy | She'll find something to do, I'm sure. |
| 18:48.42 | sag_ich_nicht | in book 7. |
| 18:48.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | or did they cover those more in books 5-7 |
| 18:48.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | ah |
| 18:48.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | i stopped reading at 4 |
| 18:49.08 | sag_ich_nicht | it's covered quite a bit in book 5-7, especially in 7. |
| 18:49.11 | TS|Skrom | I stopped reading at 0 |
| 18:49.14 | sag_ich_nicht | also |
| 18:49.26 | sag_ich_nicht | no wait |
| 18:49.27 | Lopeppeppy | They're not bad, TS|Skrom. They're not great fiction for adults, but they're not so bad. |
| 18:49.28 | clad|away | sag_ich_nicht: its covered heavily in 6 |
| 18:49.35 | sag_ich_nicht | i can't do that, it would count as spoiler |
| 18:49.39 | sag_ich_nicht | clad|away more heavily in seven |
| 18:49.47 | clad|away | i know, i've read them |
| 18:49.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | i dunno |
| 18:50.10 | sag_ich_nicht | chapter 33 is quite a bit backstory |
| 18:50.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | i doubt that the publisher will allow all that possible money to go down the drain |
| 18:50.17 | TS|Skrom | the "x" liked em, therefore I won't touch em |
| 18:50.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | they'll find some way to milk more money out |
| 18:50.24 | sag_ich_nicht | brave man |
| 18:50.54 | sag_ich_nicht | i know i can identify with him quite a bit |
| 18:50.54 | sag_ich_nicht | >< |
| 18:51.09 | Lopeppeppy | I'm usually the same way, TS|Skrom. I worked in a bookstore through three of those bloody release parties.... but I still like to keep up with what the cousins and nephews are all goo-goo over. Makes me the Cool Auntie. |
| 18:51.44 | sag_ich_nicht | also |
| 18:51.45 | sag_ich_nicht | Mr_Rabies |
| 18:51.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | i love seeing all the marketing opportunities though |
| 18:51.49 | sag_ich_nicht | i only said the HYPE is over. |
| 18:52.06 | sag_ich_nicht | which it is, there are no more secrets to be revealed |
| 18:52.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's like the books after 1 started implementing more marketing opportunities for kids after the jelly beans took off |
| 18:53.31 | TS|Skrom | lol@ Lopeppeppy |
| 18:56.02 | TS|Skrom | not at all |
| 18:56.17 | TS|Skrom | I'm the cool uncle ;-) |
| 18:56.29 | TS|Skrom | but my 'kids' are into dinosaurs and crochet |
| 18:57.07 | Lopeppeppy | My sisters and brothers of various stripes aren't always happy to get their kids back, with temporary tattoos on their faces and sunburns and dresses that mom doesn't approve of, and you drank WHAT at dinner! |
| 18:57.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm the uncle that desperately tries to ignore the kids but for some reason they still hang all over me |
| 18:57.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | it drives me insane |
| 18:57.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm not a fan of kids |
| 18:57.25 | TS|Skrom | lol |
| 18:57.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | i plan on never having any |
| 18:58.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | or getting married, for that matter |
| 18:58.26 | Lopeppeppy | I'm married, have a cat, and that's all I'm going to have. :) |
| 18:58.37 | Lopeppeppy | Kids are just like cats... if you try to ignore them, they think it's a game and come play more. |
| 18:58.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah but kids can't manage themselves like cats can |
| 18:59.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | sure cats may destroy a couch or two |
| 18:59.15 | Lopeppeppy | I lit a couch on fire once. |
| 18:59.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | but you can ignore them for a decent amount of time as long as they have access to food and they'll be fine |
| 18:59.20 | Lopeppeppy | With someone sleeping on it.... |
| 18:59.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | my sister's cat lit itself on fire once |
| 18:59.36 | Lopeppeppy | Many children are the same. Not all are screaming running brats on wheels. |
| 18:59.37 | End | o_O |
| 18:59.49 | Lopeppeppy | My best friend's cat does that too, sleeping too close to the desk lamp. |
| 18:59.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | it jumped over a candle |
| 18:59.52 | End | ah |
| 18:59.53 | End | lol |
| 18:59.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | and its tail went into the fire |
| 18:59.59 | TS|Skrom | NEVER give your kids wheels |
| 19:00.03 | TS|Skrom | makes em harder to catch |
| 19:00.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | i had a power wheel |
| 19:00.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | that thing was badass |
| 19:01.09 | Lopeppeppy | I give them wheels and a bungee cord. |
| 19:01.30 | Lopeppeppy | I still totally believe in those little clip on harnesses so they can't get away. Or duct tape them into their bunk beds. That works nicely. |
| 19:02.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm not a fan of kids |
| 19:02.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | especially babies |
| 19:02.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | babies are evil |
| 19:02.31 | Lopeppeppy | Satan has to recruit somewhere. |
| 19:02.34 | Industrial | Cairenn|afk: I cant write "socialism" on the forums |
| 19:02.39 | Industrial | what kind of absurd crap is that |
| 19:02.46 | Industrial | it gets beeped with ** |
| 19:02.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | they're hideous, loud, smelly, and messy |
| 19:02.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | :[ |
| 19:03.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | hitler was a baby! |
| 19:03.22 | End | I was a baby too! |
| 19:03.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | charles manson was a baby |
| 19:03.29 | End | does that mean I'll turn into a nazi |
| 19:03.33 | Lopeppeppy | Y'all get my point. |
| 19:03.34 | End | or a psychopath? |
| 19:03.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | che guevara was a baby |
| 19:03.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | stalin was a baby |
| 19:03.58 | TS|Skrom | tee hee I got to use "raging against the machien" in a forum post |
| 19:04.01 | TS|Skrom | my day is complete |
| 19:04.02 | Lopeppeppy | If anyone is sane, it's a cat. People are just scrod from day one. |
| 19:04.17 | Industrial | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?p=62597#post62597 |
| 19:04.17 | Industrial | there |
| 19:04.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | being a baby means later in life you're destined to become a murderer. see the evidence above |
| 19:04.41 | TS|Skrom | haha |
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| 19:04.58 | TS|Skrom | No ! It can't be true! I was a baby once myself! |
| 19:05.03 | End | I think your data set might not be complete. :P |
| 19:05.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | brb calling police on TS|Skrom |
| 19:05.35 | Lopeppeppy | It's possible that the sample is skewed as well. *shrug* Statistics are 90% made up anyway, non? |
| 19:05.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | when i entered the world i was already level 4 |
| 19:05.52 | TS|Skrom | hax |
| 19:06.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | as far back as i can remember i've been a video game nerd |
| 19:06.13 | abug | level 4 with the skills of a level 1? |
| 19:06.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | i very well may have mastered breakout before learning to walk |
| 19:06.30 | Lopeppeppy | Day-um. |
| 19:06.36 | Lopeppeppy | Lock that one up, too scary to live. |
| 19:06.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | my mom was addicted to breakout |
| 19:06.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | i took the atari out a few months back and fired up breakout |
| 19:06.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | she played it for like 4 hours |
| 19:06.57 | End | at least she wasn't addicted to crack |
| 19:07.03 | Lopeppeppy | Or online poker. |
| 19:07.10 | End | or crack online poker |
| 19:07.19 | TS|Skrom | or online crack |
| 19:07.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | my ex-roommate made like 1500 dollars one summer playing online poker |
| 19:08.04 | Lopeppeppy | Just too weird. |
| 19:08.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm terrible at card games :( |
| 19:08.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | my mom's insane at them |
| 19:08.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | because she grew up in chicago and at the time they were too poor for a tv or anything |
| 19:08.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | so they played cards |
| 19:09.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | she used to play solitare with real cards every morning before going to work, now she plays it on her laptop instead of going to work |
| 19:09.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | :( |
| 19:09.30 | Lopeppeppy | My mom is a big solitaire nut as well, while my dad does crosswords. |
| 19:09.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | my dad's really old fashioned |
| 19:09.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | he never plays games of any sort, doesn't know how to use a computer |
| 19:10.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | he watches TV or works outside |
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| 19:10.23 | Matrix110 | my dad knows how to use a pc |
| 19:10.25 | Matrix110 | but hes like |
| 19:10.28 | Matrix110 | SLOW |
| 19:10.33 | TS|Skrom | I do sudoku |
| 19:10.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | he browses our DirecTV with the channel keys |
| 19:10.42 | End | I do sudoku during class |
| 19:10.52 | Matrix110 | he doesnt ask me anymore to show him something as iam too fast for him |
| 19:10.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | even after i've shown him how to bring up the guide |
| 19:11.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | watching someone channel surf 600 channels is not ufn |
| 19:11.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | fun* |
| 19:11.13 | TS|Skrom | specially when they hit the music channels |
| 19:11.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | i should set him up a favorite |
| 19:11.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | but he'd never remember how to use it |
| 19:11.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | he doesn't even remember how to change the channel from my 360 to the satellite |
| 19:11.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | he doesn't understand the concept of TV channels and satellite channels |
| 19:12.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | can't teach an old dog new tricks, i suppose |
| 19:12.28 | TS|Skrom | on my satellite you can edit the directory list and filter out certain channels. You should do that for him. Setup a list with only a couple dozen on it and switch to it before he sits down to watch |
| 19:12.35 | TS|Skrom | make sure to include all your favorite channels |
| 19:12.38 | zenzelezz | offtanking Gruul is always exciting... 12k hit, 2k health stone, pray for heals |
| 19:12.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | heh |
| 19:13.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | he'd probably hit me for 10k and i still have another 8k left |
| 19:13.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | no health stone though :[ |
| 19:13.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | and he can crush me more often |
| 19:13.49 | End | I don't think my guild has ever had problems with the offtank on Gruul..except when the MT dies and the offtank becomes the MT |
| 19:13.49 | End | then we start losing rogues :P |
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| 19:13.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've never gone past kara |
| 19:13.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | i want to |
| 19:13.50 | Lopeppeppy | I have fun healing in Gruul's Lair. ... very interesting stuff. |
| 19:13.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | but i don't want to be a in poopsocker guild |
| 19:14.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | and there's almost no inbetween |
| 19:14.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's either a guild of people struggling in kara or a poopsocker guild in BT |
| 19:14.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | i found one that has a group that does well in kara |
| 19:15.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | i think we dropped prince for the first time last friday |
| 19:15.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | but the b team is still on attumen :[ |
| 19:15.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | so i likely won't see gruul or mag |
| 19:15.33 | End | can you switch people aroud? |
| 19:15.39 | End | mix up A and B team? |
| 19:15.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | doubt it'll work well end |
| 19:15.45 | End | or are they different timezones? |
| 19:15.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | B team's a bunch of noobs for the most part :/ |
| 19:15.51 | End | (er, times) |
| 19:16.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | A team's not even a guild run |
| 19:16.06 | End | ahhh |
| 19:16.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's guild + a couple out of guildies |
| 19:16.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | b team's all guild for the most part |
| 19:16.20 | Lopeppeppy | We're getting our second team through Kara now, it took us three months, but we're doing equally well as the first team did. |
| 19:16.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | we'd rather ask out of guild for good players than get guildies |
| 19:16.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | i got told that i contribute a ton of dps and they want me to stay with a team though |
| 19:16.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | i kinda lucked out |
| 19:16.48 | Lopeppeppy | We learned from the first what gear levels are required, and got some good tips and strategies. |
| 19:17.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | i do pretty good dps, usually in 2nd-3rd spot, and help the rogue in #1 with a ton of dps |
| 19:17.17 | End | our "B team" was doing somewhat poorly, but then we changed the leader of it, and switch the groups up a little bit, so the second group had people who had done that fight before |
| 19:17.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | as well as the hunters and warriors in the group |
| 19:17.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't think B Team will ever get very far |
| 19:17.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | the guild's not that good other than those clearing kara |
| 19:17.48 | End | alas, though, the guild I speak of has more or less split up, so now I'm in a different guild :( |
| 19:17.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | they don't have any discipline |
| 19:18.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | discipline is more important than gear or knowledge of the fights |
| 19:18.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | well, to some extent |
| 19:18.40 | Lopeppeppy | It's half the work, but not all of it. |
| 19:18.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | attumen is a gear check fight, but still, once you can kill him it's all about getting everyone disciplined |
| 19:18.58 | Antiarc|Work | Attumen's a gear check? o.0 |
| 19:19.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah |
| 19:19.15 | Antiarc|Work | What, checking that you're not in pre-TBC greens? |
| 19:19.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | checking that you've at least done a decent amount of 5 mans and maybe some heroics |
| 19:19.38 | Lopeppeppy | Mostly, yes. |
| 19:19.56 | End | Are you running in naked? No, okay, good. :P |
| 19:20.09 | Lopeppeppy | It's just a reality check at the door, to say "did you at least get some quest rewards out there? Okay, but this place gets tougher". |
| 19:20.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | he's pretty hard for people who don't live in heroics |
| 19:20.24 | beerke | hmm, anyone remembers how to quit an arena team again |
| 19:20.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | most of these people aren't even revered with any faction |
| 19:20.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | /teamquit 2v2 beerke |
| 19:20.44 | End | I had never done a heroic when I first did Attumen, and few of my guildies had done any either |
| 19:20.55 | End | (if any) |
| 19:21.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | we don't even get close to any deaths on attumen unless a mage accidentally pulls aggro and we get cleaved |
| 19:21.22 | Lopeppeppy | I'm still not revered with any factions on either 70 toon. *sigh* |
| 19:21.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | the asscleave fix really helped though |
| 19:21.38 | Lopeppeppy | But I love to stand between Attument and the raid and take his charge right on the keelplate. Rawr. |
| 19:21.39 | Antiarc|Work | End: Same here. |
| 19:21.39 | End | I'm exalted with about half of the key factions :X |
| 19:21.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm revered with pretty much every faction that doesn't require raiding |
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| 19:21.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | of bc, that is |
| 19:22.12 | End | even sporereggar? :P |
| 19:22.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | i need to top off netherwing though |
| 19:22.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | hell no |
| 19:22.18 | End | hehehe |
| 19:22.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | i did one quest for them |
| 19:22.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | before i looked up the rewards |
| 19:22.29 | End | excluding the silly mushroom people, me too |
| 19:22.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | realized there isn't a single one i want |
| 19:22.45 | End | acually, probably all except them are revered or better |
| 19:22.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | and left that area of ZM for good |
| 19:22.58 | Lopeppeppy | The shield that does damage back is interesting, and the mushrooms have a transmute recipe I will eventually want. |
| 19:23.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | i need to get revered with netherwing :( |
| 19:23.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | i want that 45 stam trinket |
| 19:23.20 | End | it's nice |
| 19:23.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | would be awesome for tanking |
| 19:23.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | otherwise i don't care about the dragons |
| 19:23.36 | Lopeppeppy | My hubby has been doing the daily quests for the last few weeks, he's got his exalted mount already. It seems to be not-hard to accomplish. |
| 19:23.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've got flight form |
| 19:23.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah, it's not hard |
| 19:23.51 | End | I'm exalted with all the daily factions |
| 19:23.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm just lazy |
| 19:23.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | and tired of not being able to booterang |
| 19:23.57 | End | ogri'la, skyguard and netherwing |
| 19:24.00 | Lopeppeppy | There are quests requiring a flying mount that you can't do in flight form, Mr_Rabies2. |
| 19:24.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah i know |
| 19:24.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | all of them being netherwing |
| 19:24.16 | End | some of the quests you -can- do though |
| 19:24.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah |
| 19:24.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm guessing it's an oversight |
| 19:24.27 | End | I know because it said mounted or flight form |
| 19:24.29 | Lopeppeppy | Or do with someone who has a flight mount, and you get credit too. :) |
| 19:24.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | some don't say both, end |
| 19:24.34 | End | hehe |
| 19:24.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | just work with both |
| 19:24.38 | End | well, one did |
| 19:24.41 | End | I think it was skyguard |
| 19:24.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah |
| 19:24.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | one skyguard one does |
| 19:24.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | the other doesn't |
| 19:24.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | but works in FF |
| 19:25.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | the soul cannon and the booterang don't |
| 19:25.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm pretty sure it's bugged |
| 19:25.18 | End | the soul cannon quest annoyed me |
| 19:25.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | i keep reporting it and get no responses in either direction though |
| 19:25.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm not spending 200g to get some ugly gryphon for 2 quests |
| 19:25.45 | End | mostly because I messed it up and died in midair :P |
| 19:26.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | i realize 200g is nothing |
| 19:26.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | but still |
| 19:26.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's the principle |
| 19:26.52 | Antiarc|Work | You'd make the 200g back in 9 days from doing those dailies :P |
| 19:27.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm not wasting money to sidestep a bug they need to fix |
| 19:27.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'd make 200 back in about a day Antiarc |
| 19:27.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | 150 or so from dailies, 50 or so from other stuff |
| 19:27.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's the principle behind it though |
| 19:28.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | the forms are supposed to be mount replacements |
| 19:28.33 | End | yet they aren't considered mounts :X |
| 19:28.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | nope |
| 19:28.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | they should be for everything but speed increase bonuses and cast time |
| 19:29.05 | TS|Skrom | is lightning shield considered an important part of shaman dps? |
| 19:29.15 | End | not really, afaik |
| 19:29.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | if you're elemental, probably |
| 19:29.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | since it benefits from spell damage, iirc |
| 19:29.48 | End | above 60, you have replacements such as...water shield (and only water shield) |
| 19:29.58 | End | (unless I'm forgetting one) |
| 19:30.13 | End | water shield restores mana, which is good for elemental I'd think |
| 19:30.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | earth shield but that's castable on others and doesn't stack i don't think |
| 19:30.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | er |
| 19:30.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | and does |
| 19:30.24 | End | earth shield is talented resto |
| 19:30.34 | TS|Skrom | I'm going to try an level my shaman |
| 19:30.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | with lightning shield/water shield |
| 19:30.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | my shaman's 50 |
| 19:30.43 | TS|Skrom | I've never been good at that. Got one to 20 before but that's it |
| 19:30.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | and in enhancement gear |
| 19:30.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | and enhancement kinda sucks now |
| 19:30.56 | End | my shaman is level 60 and is awful |
| 19:30.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | until you get really high end epics |
| 19:31.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | then it takes off |
| 19:31.14 | Lopeppeppy | So who wants to answer Khona's NEXT question? http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=442897093&sid=1 |
| 19:31.19 | TS|Skrom | trying to figure out how much to bother with LS |
| 19:31.19 | End | see, my shaman is enhancement, but with like 40-50 greens :X |
| 19:31.52 | End | If I ever level him up again, I'll probably buy a lot of greens for him, and switch to elemental |
| 19:31.56 | TS|Skrom | I'll take it ^^ |
| 19:31.58 | End | otherwise he's impossible to level |
| 19:32.11 | Lopeppeppy | Get 'em, TS|Skrom, my daily ration of patience with asshattery is about used up. |
| 19:32.30 | TS|Skrom | he's been fun in the otherone so I'll start this one off civily |
| 19:33.09 | Lopeppeppy | True-that. |
| 19:35.57 | TS|Skrom | one hour til I get to go home! wheee |
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| 19:37.17 | Lopeppeppy | 30 minutes until I wave buh-bye and go find some icecream. |
| 19:40.56 | TS|Skrom | lol not a follower XD |
| 19:41.04 | TS|Skrom | I love when people say that |
| 19:41.43 | TS|Skrom | and the best part is, he thinks I'm popular! |
| 19:41.48 | Lopeppeppy | Follow this, *&^%$. |
| 19:42.22 | TS|Skrom | lol |
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| 19:46.15 | TS|Skrom | is there a shammy talent spec that most prefer for early leveling? |
| 19:46.58 | Lopeppeppy | Not got a shammie... I'd imagine blasty or stabbity is better to level than healy, but that's random spoutage. |
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| 19:49.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | why is wasabi so addictive :( |
| 19:49.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | wasabi peas are like crack to me |
| 19:50.29 | clad|away | lol |
| 19:51.28 | TS|Skrom | it seems to me that shaman blasty is a mage with shorter range and less efficiency |
| 19:51.36 | TS|Skrom | anyone care to give me a better point of view? |
| 19:52.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | shaman blasty is a mage with a shorter range, less efficiency, that can easily swap to healing, while buffing his party heavily and mail mitigation |
| 19:53.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh and you can do some blasting while meleeing |
| 19:53.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | anything less than 1.5 cast time seems to not interrupt swing timers |
| 19:53.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | but it could be instant only |
| 19:54.01 | TS|Skrom | so then strictly from a leveling point of view |
| 19:54.12 | TS|Skrom | better to augment the blasty or the melee |
| 19:54.47 | kergoth | enh is the way to go for leveling, less downtime |
| 19:54.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah |
| 19:55.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | gotta keep up with good weapons and whatnot though |
| 19:55.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | elemental is much better in pvp though until you start getting a ton of epics |
| 19:55.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | and probably in raids too |
| 19:55.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | our shammy is elemental |
| 19:57.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | you'll still probably want to shock while meleeing though |
| 19:57.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | otherwise killing can be really boring |
| 19:57.18 | TS|Skrom | lol |
| 19:57.34 | TS|Skrom | okay what's consistently better, rockbiter or flametongue |
| 19:57.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | because you basically melee until you get a stormstrike off |
| 19:57.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | rockbiter for enh until you get windfury |
| 19:57.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | flametongue is better for ele |
| 19:58.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | cause it benefits from spell damage |
| 19:58.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | for some weapons, flametongue may be better though |
| 19:58.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | even for enh |
| 19:59.05 | TS|Skrom | comparing rockbiter rank2 and flametongue rank1 atm, I get 7 per hit with flametongue. 2.0 speed weapon so I'd get 8 unmodified from rockbiter. |
| 19:59.11 | TS|Skrom | with mitigation I'd say flame on that one |
| 19:59.33 | TS|Skrom | rockbiter benefits from melee crit though, where flame doesn't |
| 19:59.35 | TS|Skrom | hrm.. |
| 19:59.49 | TS|Skrom | I like to crunch numbers btw :D |
| 20:00.36 | Lopeppeppy | Ya think? *laugh* |
| 20:02.18 | TS|Skrom | is 15 points in resto to get the 70% chance to avoid interruption when healing a good choice for leveling? can make you more survivable if you get the heals off faster |
| 20:03.03 | TS|Skrom | btw all these questions I know what *I* think regarding them, just wondering if there's any other point of views |
| 20:04.48 | zenzelezz | bleh... Nightbane going perfect until a charred earth appears and *all* the healers stop healing and move at the same time |
| 20:06.07 | ScytheBlade1 | That's why you seperate them ;) |
| 20:11.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | <TS|Skrom> is 15 points in resto to get the 70% chance to avoid interruption when healing a good choice for leveling? can make you more survivable if you get the heals off faster |
| 20:11.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | i almost never heal on mine |
| 20:11.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | i kill things quickly enough to not need to |
| 20:11.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | between fights, maybe |
| 20:11.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | during? almost never |
| 20:13.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | OH GOD THE PAIN |
| 20:13.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | i just bit into a wasabi pea sized chunk of pure wasabi coating |
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| 20:14.15 | TS|Skrom | I'm used to playing a paladin where "I kill things quickly enough to not need to" isn't gonna happen XD |
| 20:15.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | a shaman is a very different beast than a pally |
| 20:15.34 | TS|Skrom | I'm starting to sense that lol |
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| 20:17.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | argh the wasabipain |
| 20:17.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | the worst part is how wasabi pain tends to stack |
| 20:17.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | it fades quickly between peas |
| 20:17.41 | TS|Skrom | like a bleed effect in ramparts? |
| 20:17.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | then the next pea is slightly hotter than the last |
| 20:17.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's like curse of agony |
| 20:18.38 | TS|Skrom | it's neat to have a battle shouot you don't have to recast every 2 mins |
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| 20:19.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | you'll hate totems then :p |
| 20:19.34 | TS|Skrom | no I mean specifically rockbiter = battle shout (better actually) that lasts 30 mins |
| 20:19.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | 2 minutes is an eternity when compared to the useful duration of most totems |
| 20:19.51 | TS|Skrom | I don't mind totems btw, I have my totem timer addon to help with that |
| 20:20.13 | TS|Skrom | and my problem with battle shout isn't "having" to recast it |
| 20:20.17 | TS|Skrom | it's remembering |
| 20:20.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's hard convincing groups to carry mobs back near totems |
| 20:20.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | eventually i stopped casting them because they'd get used for like 10 seconds |
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| 20:28.35 | Guillotine | ya. totems are great for some things (e.g. stationary boss fights), but suck for normal grinding and instances |
| 20:29.51 | Guillotine | I think they should just change Totemic call to restore the amount of mana compared to how much time is left on the duration |
| 20:30.16 | Guillotine | e.g. if you use totemic call when your totems have only been down for 10% of their max time, you get 90% mana back |
| 20:32.15 | Kaso | that sound like i'd be a hard mechanic to program |
| 20:32.34 | Kaso | also it'd stop you using recall at the last second of the totem timer for free mana. |
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| 20:41.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | argh |
| 20:41.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've had premade characters pending copy for like 4 days |
| 20:41.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | :[ |
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| 20:46.58 | Guillotine | Kaso: right. but somehow I don't think thats why the made the ability anyway |
| 20:47.04 | Guillotine | Mr_Rabies2: 5 for me :( |
| 20:47.19 | Guillotine | started mine within 2 hours of when they opened them up |
| 20:47.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | alliance pvp? |
| 20:47.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | trying to see if they halted alliance transfers to the pvp server until they fix the spawn points |
| 20:49.07 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
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| 21:07.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | damn |
| 21:07.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ta5GtIs2sWE |
| 21:07.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | 11-14 year old kids playing rush's YYZ and the drummer sounds pretty much just like neil peart |
| 21:07.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | :O |
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| 21:32.25 | Thunder_Child | interesting, blizz came up against and isue they couldnt fix |
| 21:32.38 | Thunder_Child | s/and isue/an issue/ |
| 21:33.46 | Arrowmaster | my premade still hasnt copied either |
| 21:34.46 | bleeter | Mr_Rabies2: a 11-14 y/o playing as well as Peart? Gotta be hax. |
| 21:35.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | he's been playing since he was 2 |
| 21:35.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | and been playing decently since he was 4 or so |
| 21:36.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8TSsiD_ozY is some progression of him |
| 21:36.50 | bleeter | Mr_Rabies2: has he got an interpretation of eg 'The Rhythm Method' online somewhere? |
| 21:37.10 | bleeter | I mean, it's *plausible* he's as good, just highly unlikely ;) |
| 21:38.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | i never said he was as good :p |
| 21:38.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | i said he sounded just like him |
| 21:38.28 | bleeter | 'back in my day'... I was involved in a few music championship thingies. I remember a sidedrummer turned up for the nationals, was standing in queue being hungover and all |
| 21:38.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | there's a difference :P |
| 21:38.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | being able to play someone else's song that's a good drummer takes skill |
| 21:38.52 | bleeter | he got to the head of the queue to go compete, and he turns to me and says 'oh fuck, I've just noticed they're playing something different' |
| 21:38.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | but inventing your own stuff takes it to a whole new level |
| 21:39.08 | bleeter | he'd learned, says, pattern 10 from book 2 instead of pattern 2 from book 10 |
| 21:39.25 | bleeter | so he glances over the sheet music, goes out in front of the adjudicators real hung over |
| 21:39.32 | bleeter | and beats everyone else in the country lol |
| 21:40.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | i can't drum worth a crap |
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| 21:40.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'll probably get the drum accessory for rock band just so i can get the basics down, because despite playing trumpet and guitar for a number of years, i can't drum worth a crap |
| 21:40.54 | bleeter | re: 'inventing' vs 'copying'... that's the thing tho, something like 'The Rhythm Method' has a huuuuge improvisation section in the middle |
| 21:41.13 | bleeter | it's just like any 'jazz' piece, insofar as there's a basic structure to hang a whole wie range of crap off |
| 21:41.44 | bleeter | I can kinda drum, but I'm better on a lefty-kit... so I tend to avoid it |
| 21:42.11 | bleeter | in a past life I was a professional trombone player |
| 21:42.38 | bleeter | bah, who stole my ciggie lighter |
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| 21:42.52 | bleeter | i had it here not 30 seconds ago, so it musta been one of you lot |
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| 21:43.33 | Shirik | heh |
| 21:43.36 | bleeter | mmmm skippy burgers |
| 21:43.36 | Shirik | I read that as "touches" |
| 21:43.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | rofl |
| 21:43.46 | bleeter | rofl Shirik |
| 21:43.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | dammit now i want to try kangaroo burger |
| 21:44.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | see what you've made me do |
| 21:45.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm willing to try anything that's safe to eat at least once |
| 21:45.41 | bleeter | a good skippy cooked well is great. kind of like steak but not |
| 21:45.52 | bleeter | a bad skippy cooked badly is friggen disgusting |
| 21:46.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'd imagine it'd be somewhat like a tougher rabbit taste |
| 21:46.05 | bleeter | like chewing on old boots |
| 21:46.38 | bleeter | skippy steaks are suprisingly similar to steak |
| 21:47.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | ah |
| 21:47.20 | bleeter | I just don't get how the animal libbers get upset about the idea of selling skip in place of the amount of beef this country grows |
| 21:47.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | rabbit's closer to chicken in terms of taste |
| 21:47.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | so maybe it's kinda like venison then |
| 21:47.58 | bleeter | one's a native that in some areas is plague numbers, other's an introduced species that requires farming methods that screw with the environment |
| 21:48.07 | bleeter | yeah, venisons a good comparitor |
| 21:49.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | well prepared venison tastes pretty close to a leaner beef |
| 21:49.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | whereas badly prepared is closer to leather |
| 21:49.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | so yeah, sounds close |
| 21:49.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | i still wanna try it :x |
| 21:49.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've had ostritch, bison, and alligator of the stranger stuff |
| 21:49.54 | bleeter | if you cant find any locally, blame PETA |
| 21:49.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | and i guess rabbit if that's strange |
| 21:50.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh and goat, but i dunno |
| 21:50.46 | zenzelezz | what's so strange, a dead animal is a dead animal |
| 21:53.18 | bleeter | PETA also object to the current method for ensuring aussie sheep don't have maggots growing in their bum. Haven't heard them offer an alternative method, though. |
| 21:53.37 | Shirik | welcome to earth |
| 21:53.42 | Shirik | the land of people that are nosy enough to point out everyone's problems |
| 21:53.42 | bleeter | aye |
| 21:53.44 | Shirik | but don't do anything about it |
| 21:53.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | <WillSmith> welcom ta earf |
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| 21:55.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | the PETA also have rather notorious ties to the IRA and other terrorist organizations, bleeter |
| 21:55.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | and the head of it was a huge hypocrit |
| 21:55.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | the PETA's officially against diabetics taking insulin or some other medicine, i forget what |
| 21:56.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | yet the head of it was a diabetic taking said medicine |
| 21:56.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | and her line of reasoning was that she has to be alive to tell people |
| 21:56.25 | zenzelezz | people always exempt themselves from their opinions |
| 21:56.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | i try to practice what i preach |
| 21:57.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | sometimes i get caught up and aren't thinking straight |
| 21:57.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | but i try to avoid getting caught in huge lies like that |
| 21:58.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't try to put up a facade :P |
| 21:58.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm the same online as offline |
| 21:58.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't try to be cool to earn people's respect, i don't care if you like me or hate me :O |
| 21:59.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | the PETA undermines anyone who legitimately tries to bring about changes to animal cruelty |
| 21:59.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | and some of their claims are valid, however it all gets overshadowed by their hipocrisy and craziness |
| 22:01.01 | zenzelezz | like the RIAA, except not quite as bad |
| 22:01.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | watch Penn and Teller's Bullshit!, specifically the episode about the PETA |
| 22:01.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | no, they're worse |
| 22:01.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | the RIAA doesn't get people killed |
| 22:01.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | the PETA funds various terrorist organizations that do get people killed |
| 22:01.45 | bleeter | Bullshit! was pretty good... mind you, to be an excellent skeptics show they should've done an episode on their own Bullshit |
| 22:01.48 | zenzelezz | O_o |
| 22:01.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | i think they did bleeter, in a later season |
| 22:02.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | they've often said that they're aware of its bias but bias is impossible to avoid |
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| 22:02.24 | bleeter | Mr_Rabies2: gotta be careful about funding terrorists... I mean, look at the folks who gave money to the ANC and got shot for their troubles |
| 22:02.43 | bleeter | 15-20 years later, we're standing around celebrating the life of the ANC's leader as he turns 89 or so |
| 22:03.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh, not the IRA, sorry |
| 22:03.35 | bleeter | and what's more he was a COMMIE terrorist.. the worst kind |
| 22:03.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | the ELF and ALF |
| 22:04.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | plus they euthanize a huge percentage of animals a year, further adding to the hypocrisy |
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| 22:04.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_Liberation_Front http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_Liberation_Front |
| 22:05.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | does australia have any crazy terrorist groups? |
| 22:06.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'd think there would be no time between running from the giant spiders and snakes |
| 22:09.05 | bleeter | Mr_Rabies2: off the top of my head, the last few terrorist folks, apart from the ones caught up in 'The War On Terror', are white supremacists |
| 22:09.28 | bleeter | and bikie gangs buying rocket launchers and the stuff out the back door from the military |
| 22:09.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | i bet firing a rocket off a motorcycle while it's moving and hitting a dingo is awesome |
| 22:10.14 | bleeter | hehe |
| 22:10.24 | bleeter | oh well, time for Uni... ttfn |
| 22:10.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | or one of those cat sized spiders |
| 22:10.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | i bet they explode nicely |
| 22:10.34 | Shirik | remember to use those fingers well |
| 22:10.43 | Shirik | oh whoops |
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| 23:39.51 | Corrodias | working blows |
| 23:40.02 | Corrodias | i need a get-rich-quick scheme. |
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| 23:44.42 | Shirik | Corrodias: Send out a million emails saying "I am from africa and need your help transferring money" |
| 23:45.14 | Corrodias | i am not opposed to doing something illegal and only slightly adverse to immoral, but i am strongly opposed to getting caught |
| 23:45.51 | Shirik | lol |
