| 00:00.16 | foxlit | BS, really |
| 00:00.47 | foxlit | MT is supposed to generate as much threat as humanly possible, and healers have more pretty bars to watch |
| 00:00.55 | sag_ich_nicht | and throw a PW:S on you so it actually does something to save you from threat |
| 00:01.08 | sag_ich_nicht | no, they don't |
| 00:01.13 | sag_ich_nicht | öern2heal |
| 00:01.19 | sag_ich_nicht | *lern2heal |
| 00:01.35 | sag_ich_nicht | brb, typing with one hand is kind of dumb |
| 00:02.17 | Thunder_Child | are you calling one handed people that type dumb? |
| 00:02.28 | JoshBorke | yes |
| 00:02.39 | Thunder_Child | ok then |
| 00:03.18 | foxlit | There are very few things a PW:S will actually save me from |
| 00:03.32 | foxlit | Much fewer still that other people may be saved from |
| 00:04.45 | sag_ich_nicht | Thunder_Child no, i am calling myself dumb for typing with one hand because i had something in the other hand instead of putting away what i had in that hand and typing with both hands |
| 00:05.25 | sag_ich_nicht | foxlit on a boss no, probably not since there is a likelyhood of him being taunt immune(if not, that's enough time to taunt back the aggro), but on trashs, hell yeah. |
| 00:05.36 | foxlit | Oh, I can tank trash |
| 00:05.54 | foxlit | So it's usually PW:S won't make a difference there anyway |
| 00:06.06 | Thunder_Child | sag_ich_nicht: fiy, i am always/usualy joking and am an asshole so dont take anything i say to seriously |
| 00:06.22 | sag_ich_nicht | Thunder_Child what? |
| 00:06.24 | sag_ich_nicht | oh that |
| 00:06.32 | sag_ich_nicht | stop talking about stuff i already forgot |
| 00:06.42 | sag_ich_nicht | anyway |
| 00:06.42 | foxlit | stop forgetting stuff so quickly! |
| 00:06.45 | Thunder_Child | why...it makes you think |
| 00:06.47 | foxlit | It's only 5 lines up |
| 00:06.51 | Thunder_Child | gg i win |
| 00:07.02 | sag_ich_nicht | foxlit and 20 window switches to 6 conversations ago |
| 00:07.17 | sag_ich_nicht | multitasking, can you do it? :P |
| 00:07.23 | foxlit | You clearly can't :) |
| 00:07.41 | sag_ich_nicht | i can, by flushing out unneccesairy stuff from my tables :P |
| 00:07.50 | sag_ich_nicht | someone explain to foxlit why he is wrong, i go to bed now, nn :P |
| 00:08.08 | Thunder_Child | i dunno foxlit, i'm with you on this one |
| 00:08.41 | foxlit | And trash is so casual you'd have to be pretty darn careless to actually pull aggro |
| 00:09.21 | Thunder_Child | out mages/lock pull agro on trash all the time....ofc we do it on purpase and laugh about it like crazu |
| 00:10.32 | foxlit | I can't even outaggro our tanks on the nature-vulnerable colossuses |
| 00:10.35 | foxlit | Which is pretty much 2kdps |
| 00:10.52 | foxlit | (or more, depending on crits) |
| 00:11.37 | foxlit | Of course, I can hit something untanked, but I don't need a threat meter to tell me it'll come after me |
| 00:16.22 | Thunder_Child | you can pull a sustained 2000 samage per second? |
| 00:16.26 | Thunder_Child | damage* |
| 00:18.32 | foxlit | Notice I specified a mob :) |
| 00:18.49 | foxlit | It has a very cute +crit/+crit damage buff |
| 00:19.27 | Thunder_Child | that affects everyone? |
| 00:19.42 | foxlit | That affects a specific damage type against them |
| 00:19.54 | foxlit | In this case, nature damage |
| 00:20.05 | foxlit | http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=38717 |
| 00:23.10 | Thunder_Child | do you give your tanks time to get aggro? |
| 00:23.25 | foxlit | 2-3 seconds |
| 00:24.00 | Thunder_Child | ah, if we are screwing around we give our tank 1 hit |
| 00:24.35 | foxlit | Own choice, really :) |
| 00:24.47 | Thunder_Child | yea, then the lock spams searing pain |
| 00:25.12 | Thunder_Child | he always seems to be poor, go figure |
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| 00:50.16 | Legorol | I'm wondering if someone can explain something to me |
| 00:50.24 | Legorol | What are the "High Warlord xxx" sets, and how do you get them? |
| 00:52.06 | JoshBorke | they are PvP sets |
| 00:52.06 | JoshBorke | youg et them by spending honor points |
| 00:52.06 | AnduinLothar | rly lego? |
| 00:52.06 | AnduinLothar | don't pvp much? |
| 00:52.32 | Abyissviper | do you guys know where i can spend [Warsong Gulch Mark of Honor] at? i know its somehwre in ashenvale |
| 00:52.47 | JoshBorke | horde or alliance? |
| 00:52.51 | Abyissviper | alliance |
| 00:53.12 | JoshBorke | it's around 62, 84 in ashenvale |
| 00:53.16 | JoshBorke | cross the river then head south |
| 00:53.23 | Abyissviper | i dont got a coord addon o |
| 00:53.29 | Abyissviper | o_o* |
| 00:53.42 | Legorol | true that i don't pvp much, but i never heard of high warlord sets |
| 00:53.48 | JoshBorke | get TomTom and Lightheaded Abyissviper |
| 00:54.18 | Abyissviper | lego, what server? |
| 00:54.19 | Legorol | afaik, for honor points: at 60 it was stuff like lieutenant-commander's stuff, and field marshal stuff |
| 00:54.26 | JoshBorke | and you can thank clad later |
| 00:54.28 | Legorol | then at 70 it's Grand Marshal stuff |
| 00:54.41 | Legorol | for arena, it's gladiator's stuff and merciless gladiator's stuff |
| 00:54.45 | Legorol | never heard of high warlord |
| 00:55.04 | Abyissviper | ive only pvpd at arathi and WSG |
| 00:55.08 | Legorol | so please enlighten me which one it is and how you get it |
| 00:55.19 | JoshBorke | warlord is horde i think |
| 00:55.20 | Abyissviper | not enough for arathi so easy marks lol |
| 00:55.35 | Legorol | horde? |
| 00:55.39 | Legorol | hmmm that's very strange |
| 00:55.47 | Legorol | admittedly i only know alliance, so it could be horde, but the thing is: |
| 00:55.58 | Legorol | on the PTR, premade gnome mage has High Warlord set in his bags |
| 00:56.03 | Legorol | so i was trying to figure out what it was |
| 00:56.40 | Legorol | i even tried the interactive Armor Sets thing on Blizz official page, and the high warlord didn't show |
| 00:56.44 | Legorol | i will go check horde side |
| 00:57.06 | Abyissviper | never rolled horde before .-. |
| 00:57.06 | Legorol | Hm, indeed, High Warlord seems to be the L70 honor points gear for horde side |
| 00:57.15 | Legorol | then how does a gnome mage have it... |
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| 00:57.32 | Legorol | in that case, all i can think of is wierd itemisation on the premades |
| 00:58.39 | Legorol | Abyissviper: you can spend the wsg marks both in stormwind's pvp headquarter thingy, and in ashenvale at teh actual wsg entrance with the silverwing quartermaster |
| 00:58.41 | AnduinLothar | sure he's not QA at work? |
| 00:58.45 | Legorol | you get different stuff in the two places |
| 00:58.56 | Legorol | AnduinLothar: this is premade mage i copied for myself on the PTR |
| 00:59.03 | Abyissviper | you guys know any droprate addons that work? the one i have is incompatable :S |
| 00:59.05 | Legorol | i think they just itemised the premades wierdly |
| 00:59.12 | AnduinLothar | heh, yeah prolly |
| 00:59.21 | AnduinLothar | it's just a spawn item command by name or iem id |
| 00:59.26 | JoshBorke | i wouldn't doubt it |
| 00:59.37 | AnduinLothar | there's no limit to faction except that they're bop |
| 00:59.40 | Legorol | hehe bit silly to give alliance premades horde items |
| 00:59.40 | JoshBorke | seeing as how they messed up where they spawned period |
| 00:59.41 | Legorol | but hey |
| 00:59.52 | Legorol | i don't think it's a messup actually |
| 00:59.56 | Legorol | here is my theory on it: |
| 01:00.08 | Legorol | 2.3 originally was supposed to have zul'aman, but they didn't finish it on time |
| 01:00.09 | AnduinLothar | uh oh |
| 01:00.21 | Legorol | the premades were or probably are the same test chars that are being used by QA for zul'aman |
| 01:00.36 | Legorol | they wouldn't bother making up new chars for the public if they have ready templates |
| 01:01.06 | Legorol | so they just simply copied the premades that they use, and the spawn point is well... annoying but minor |
| 01:01.13 | Legorol | so not worth remaking the characters for |
| 01:01.22 | MentalPower|Work | PvP flag is more annoying |
| 01:01.30 | Legorol | again, i have theory about that |
| 01:01.42 | Legorol | on their internal servers, i doubt blizz has had problem with opposite faction ganking them |
| 01:01.55 | Legorol | so they didn't notice/forgot/didnt' care |
| 01:02.08 | Legorol | btw, can someone explain to me what's all this business about the tin foil hat? |
| 01:02.14 | Abyissviper | http://wowui.incgamers.com/ui.php?id=579 |<- this is the droprate addon i have currently but its incompatable :S |
| 01:02.16 | Legorol | i see everyone giving them out, but what does it mean? |
| 01:02.50 | JoshBorke | Legorol: it keepst ehm from reading your mind |
| 01:02.52 | AnduinLothar | it keeps the alien mind control rays out |
| 01:02.55 | MentalPower|Work | Legorol: did you see the movie signs? |
| 01:03.00 | AnduinLothar | and the NSA from reading it |
| 01:03.10 | Legorol | no i didn't see the movie |
| 01:03.20 | Legorol | and lol, that's funny, but uhm... how did it enter the WoW scene |
| 01:03.27 | MentalPower|Work | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/items/tinfoilhat.xml |
| 01:06.09 | Legorol | hehe ok |
| 01:06.09 | Legorol | i see, Equip entry no. 2 applies to me :D |
| 01:06.23 | Guillotine | Alright, so there have been so many arguments (and another one on the forums at the moment). Is there anything wrong with selling addons? What I got from the whole RDX thing was that it is completely legal, yet someone says that it says in the WoW EULA that addons must be publicly licensed |
| 01:06.40 | Guillotine | yet I was under the impression that addons followed the Lua license |
| 01:07.04 | MentalPower|Work | none of the above |
| 01:07.25 | MentalPower|Work | err... thats not completely true, but bear with me |
| 01:07.37 | art3mis | god i hate ashenvale |
| 01:07.56 | MentalPower | as you know in most countries anything you create is by default copyrighted |
| 01:08.18 | MentalPower | also by default that copyright is "all rights reserved" |
| 01:08.50 | MentalPower | so unless you explicitly license your addon, no one can use it, plain and simple (even if you publish it in a zillion websites) |
| 01:09.51 | clad|dinner | in short, no lua code does not fall under the Lua license (which allows selling a closed product, btw) |
| 01:09.55 | MentalPower | there is nothing in the WoW EULA or ToS that says that addons must be publicly licensed |
| 01:09.58 | clad|dinner | and I've never seen evidence in the eula that dictates a license. |
| 01:10.36 | MentalPower | clad is correct, there isint |
| 01:10.43 | Abyissviper | you guys happen to know a droprate addon that tells me where <item> drops, from what, and what percentage it could drop on thats compatable with the new patch? I need one for my guild x.x |
| 01:11.00 | clad|dinner | do I don't Abyissviper, sorry |
| 01:11.20 | JoshBorke | nope, i don't |
| 01:11.20 | Abyissviper | x.x |
| 01:11.21 | JoshBorke | look on wowi |
| 01:11.27 | MentalPower | s/do I/no I/ |
| 01:11.49 | JoshBorke | the n and d are no where close to each other |
| 01:11.53 | JoshBorke | on any layout... |
| 01:12.26 | clad|dinner | lol |
| 01:14.47 | Abyissviper | alright ive been searchin wowwiki but idk what to search for. ive tried all different combinations of "Drop rate" but no luck :( |
| 01:15.48 | Abyissviper | wait, i think i found somethin on the last search x.x |
| 01:16.15 | JoshBorke | wowwiki or wowi? |
| 01:16.28 | Abyissviper | wowwiki |
| 01:16.46 | clad|sleep | well, you should probably search a ui mod site |
| 01:16.47 | clad|sleep | :P |
| 01:16.49 | clad|sleep | like wowinterface.com |
| 01:17.31 | Abyissviper | my guild does alot of dungeons and everyones always fighting about the droprates of rare and epic items |
| 01:17.53 | JoshBorke | for dungeon specific stuff you could try atlasloot |
| 01:18.28 | Abyissviper | thats what i found but i want a full world droprate addon |
| 01:18.38 | Abyissviper | not just dungeons x.x |
| 01:18.45 | JoshBorke | that's going to be harder to find. i know mobinfo did it for mobs |
| 01:19.28 | JoshBorke | but you had to mouse-over them |
| 01:19.29 | JoshBorke | it might have been searchable |
| 01:19.59 | Abyissviper | im about ready to just hire a LUA scripter to make one for me or at least teach me how to make one x.x |
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| 01:20.28 | Shirik|Ghost3 | wtf, shirik is in use? |
| 01:20.32 | Shirik|Ghost3 | I logged off like 15 minutes ago |
| 01:22.32 | Abyissviper | only thing is, if i try to make a droprate area/percentage addon, im gonna end up messing up my WoW |
| 01:23.07 | Shirik | how can you "mess up your WoW" |
| 01:23.28 | Abyissviper | idk LUA coding |
| 01:23.32 | Shirik | so learn :) |
| 01:23.35 | Shirik | ~pil |
| 01:23.36 | purl | [pil] Programming in Lua. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in hardcover and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 01:24.26 | Shirik | also, Lua is not an acronym |
| 01:24.34 | Shirik | But seriously, there's nothing that you can do that's irreversible |
| 01:25.07 | Shirik | in fact, there's nothing you can do (generally) that disabling your addon won't undo |
| 01:25.29 | Abyissviper | been chompin at the bit to use that havent u lol |
| 01:25.43 | Shirik | what? ~pil ? |
| 01:25.49 | Abyissviper | yep |
| 01:26.01 | Shirik | It's probably the most frequently used factoid in this channel |
| 01:26.08 | Tem | Shirik, you can fuck with bindings and hotbar things |
| 01:26.09 | JoshBorke | ~lart Shirik |
| 01:26.09 | purl | executes killall -HUP Shirik |
| 01:26.10 | JoshBorke | nope, lart is |
| 01:26.13 | Tem | that won't be fixed by disabling addons |
| 01:26.15 | Shirik | I take that back |
| 01:26.16 | Shirik | lart definitely isn't |
| 01:26.20 | Legorol | Tem: he said "generally" |
| 01:26.23 | Shirik | Tem: That's why I said generally :P |
| 01:26.31 | Legorol | there are millions of things which you can only reverse by nuking trinity |
| 01:26.35 | Shirik | For a drop rate addon, you shouldn't be messing with that stuff |
| 01:26.37 | Legorol | that an addon can screw up for you |
| 01:26.51 | Shirik | You guys are evil |
| 01:26.57 | Shirik | You have to try to do this stuff >.> |
| 01:27.01 | Legorol | i'm on your side Shirik |
| 01:27.06 | Tem | Lego's the evil one |
| 01:27.09 | Tem | I just break things |
| 01:27.11 | Legorol | i'm pointing it out to Tem that there are many, but they are not very general |
| 01:27.16 | Legorol | i agree with Tem |
| 01:27.18 | Legorol | i'm evil |
| 01:27.26 | Legorol | and you're rather good at it |
| 01:27.30 | Abyissviper | thats y im scared of trying one that i know most likely wont work x.x |
| 01:27.43 | Shirik | Don't listen to them |
| 01:27.47 | Shirik | You have to try to screw up like that |
| 01:27.50 | Legorol | Abyissviper: there is nothing that you can do that permanently breaks your WoW |
| 01:28.05 | Legorol | the absolute *worst* thing that can happen is you have to reset all settings to default, as if you just installed the game |
| 01:28.08 | Legorol | and that's not a big deal either |
| 01:28.21 | Shirik | sure there is |
| 01:28.29 | Shirik | you could delete your data folder |
| 01:28.33 | Abyissviper | only coding language that i know i can do very well, is mIRC scripting. which as we all know, is the easiest form around x.x |
| 01:28.34 | Legorol | not with an addon |
| 01:28.40 | Shirik | you didn't say that |
| 01:28.44 | Shirik | /nitpick |
| 01:28.48 | Legorol | huh? |
| 01:28.53 | Shirik | taste of your own medicine :P |
| 01:28.58 | Legorol | aren't we talking about what addons can achieve? |
| 01:28.59 | Shirik | You said "there is nothing that you can do" |
| 01:29.05 | Shirik | Not "There is nothing that an addon you wrote can do" |
| 01:29.07 | Legorol | Shirik: i didn't nitpick at you, i nitpicked at Tem |
| 01:29.15 | Shirik | oh well, I had to cut back at someone |
| 01:29.17 | Legorol | you are fighting the wrong person |
| 01:29.20 | Legorol | fair enough :o) |
| 01:29.35 | JoshBorke | purl, save Legorol |
| 01:29.41 | purl | ACTION runs into a burning building and saves Legorol from certain death. Is that enough? |
| 01:29.41 | Legorol | s/at/and/ |
| 01:29.41 | JoshBorke | purl, protect Legorol |
| 01:29.42 | purl | ACTION sees a grenade rolling toward Legorol, and leaps onto it. |
| 01:29.42 | Shirik | nah, now I want to beat up JoshBorke |
| 01:29.55 | Shirik | JoshBorke went to blizzcon didn't he? |
| 01:29.58 | Abyissviper | what program do i need to start scripting Lua? |
| 01:30.00 | Legorol | dunno, did he |
| 01:30.01 | JoshBorke | no |
| 01:30.03 | Legorol | if so, i'll help you gang him |
| 01:30.05 | Legorol | aaaah |
| 01:30.11 | Shirik | Abyissviper: notepad |
| 01:30.11 | Shirik | But more seriously, SciTE |
| 01:30.25 | JoshBorke | your favorite text editor |
| 01:30.27 | Shirik | JoshBorke: Ok I won't beat you up then |
| 01:30.34 | Shirik | we both didn't get Cairenn|afk hugs |
| 01:30.38 | JoshBorke | purl, beat up Shirik |
| 01:30.39 | purl | ACTION beats up Shirik with a dripping-wet & less-than-fresh fish |
| 01:30.42 | Legorol | Abyissviper: AddOns mostly consist of plain text files that you can create with any editor |
| 01:30.45 | Shirik | purl, I hate you |
| 01:30.46 | purl | You hate you? |
| 01:30.53 | Shirik | .. |
| 01:30.56 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 01:30.58 | Shirik | wtf is that |
| 01:31.05 | Abyissviper | @_@ Lua is confuzzling me |
| 01:31.06 | Shirik | ~factinfo I hate |
| 01:31.06 | purl | there's no such factoid as i hate, Shirik |
| 01:31.12 | Legorol | Shirik: dissatisfied with yourself? |
| 01:31.17 | Shirik | ~factinfo \I hate |
| 01:31.17 | purl | Shirik: there's no such factoid as \i hate |
| 01:31.23 | Shirik | I dunno, purl's wierd |
| 01:31.31 | Legorol | well he claimed you hate yourself |
| 01:31.38 | Shirik | she's always right |
| 01:31.42 | Shirik | so I must |
| 01:31.43 | Corrodias | i seem to have pissed off my raid leader by repeatedly correcting him from calling nightbane's Rain of Bones, "Rain of Fire" |
| 01:31.47 | JoshBorke | ~factinfo i |
| 01:31.47 | purl | JoshBorke: there's no such factoid as i |
| 01:31.49 | Shirik | rofl |
| 01:31.59 | Shirik | purl, I jawoiejfawef |
| 01:32.00 | purl | You jawoiejfawef? |
| 01:32.02 | Legorol | way to go Corrodias |
| 01:32.06 | Shirik | ~factinfo \I |
| 01:32.06 | purl | Shirik: there's no such factoid as \i |
| 01:32.09 | Legorol | i love nitpicking at boss abilities |
| 01:32.09 | Shirik | hm |
| 01:32.13 | Shirik | 'must be built-in |
| 01:32.17 | Corrodias | i do this because we seem to call both rain of bones and smoking blast AND fireball barrage "rain of fire" |
| 01:32.17 | Abyissviper | ~factinfo Life. |
| 01:32.17 | purl | there's no such factoid as life., Abyissviper |
| 01:32.18 | Legorol | unfortunately, i'm usually the RL, so it's hard to piss the RL off |
| 01:32.22 | Abyissviper | lolz |
| 01:32.26 | Corrodias | everything he does is rain of fire |
| 01:32.36 | Legorol | Corrodias: very good of you to distinguish those |
| 01:32.45 | Abyissviper | corro, ur raid leaders a lock? |
| 01:32.48 | Legorol | we just have bone rains, smoking blast, and that-other-thingy-we-never-actually-saw-yet |
| 01:32.50 | Corrodias | shadow priest |
| 01:33.00 | Shirik | ok! So back on topic |
| 01:33.03 | Abyissviper | my mains a lvl 25 lock lol |
| 01:33.13 | Legorol | Shirik: were we ever on topic? |
| 01:33.16 | Shirik | Abyissviper: You shouldn't be afraid, it takes some serious work to break something to the magnitude of needing to reset to default |
| 01:33.29 | Legorol | and even if you do, you can't damage your WoW |
| 01:33.37 | Shirik | And any text editor will work, I tend to prefer SciTE, and I think it's the most popular in the addon community |
| 01:33.42 | Abyissviper | and again, lua confuzzles me to no end |
| 01:33.42 | Legorol | but writing AddOns is a serious business |
| 01:33.50 | Legorol | it's not something you can just learn in a couple of days |
| 01:33.58 | Shirik | unless you're me |
| 01:33.59 | Legorol | and writing addons is not just about learning Lua, the language |
| 01:34.16 | Shirik | On a more serious note everyone's always learning so yeah |
| 01:34.16 | Legorol | I always say there are three things you need to learn in order to make AddOns: |
| 01:34.19 | Shirik | nobody knows everything |
| 01:34.21 | Shirik | except Iriel |
| 01:34.36 | Legorol | 1) the syntax etc. of the languages involved: Lua and XML, as used in WoW |
| 01:34.48 | Abyissviper | idk xml either x.x |
| 01:34.52 | Legorol | 2) the API exposed by WoW, and how you use those languages to interact with WoW |
| 01:35.02 | JoshBorke | try the blizzard tutorial |
| 01:35.03 | Abyissviper | again, dont know |
| 01:35.05 | Legorol | 3) what does it mean to write programs, creating algorithms etc. |
| 01:35.17 | Shirik | Have you ever programmed before? |
| 01:35.18 | Legorol | number 3 is a general skill that you can acquire completely independently |
| 01:35.20 | Abyissviper | blizz tut for gamer hells frozen ._. |
| 01:35.23 | Legorol | having programming experience helps |
| 01:35.27 | Shirik | a lot |
| 01:35.28 | clad|sleep | number 3 isn't covered int he book :P |
| 01:35.31 | Legorol | without 3, 1 and 2 won't make much sense |
| 01:35.45 | Legorol | clad|sleep: and i keep saying it should :P |
| 01:35.53 | Shirik | I really wish there were a book on programming |
| 01:35.54 | Legorol | people like Abyissviper will pick up the book and expect to be able to make addons |
| 01:35.55 | Abyissviper | the only language i really know is mIRC lol |
| 01:35.55 | Shirik | not on any language |
| 01:35.57 | Shirik | on programming, period |
| 01:35.58 | clad|sleep | it can't be, in the way you want it to :P |
| 01:36.01 | JoshBorke | psh, i can't do 3 and i'm great and 1 and 2 |
| 01:36.05 | Legorol | Shirik: i completely agree |
| 01:36.11 | Shirik | but I don't know of any |
| 01:36.19 | clad|sleep | they'll be fully capable of making addons when we're done |
| 01:36.20 | Legorol | but in general you do need *some* language so you can illustrate the concepts, and try stuff in practice |
| 01:36.30 | Legorol | i'm still on a quest to find the Ultimate Intro to Computer Programming |
| 01:36.31 | Shirik | of course |
| 01:36.34 | Legorol | (and the best language for it) |
| 01:36.44 | clad|sleep | 3 isn't required.. its just a skill that should be there. |
| 01:36.51 | Shirik | honestly, I think the way to do it is to go between a bunch of languages |
| 01:36.52 | clad|sleep | Legorol: help me write the next book, its open source :P |
| 01:36.58 | Legorol | clad|sleep: that's the problem, and we argued this before, so let's just agree to disagree |
| 01:36.58 | Shirik | not to only have it in one |
| 01:37.19 | clad|sleep | Legorol: indeed |
| 01:37.25 | Abyissviper | if someone could help me understand lua and xml, i could probably mke a halfass addon x.x |
| 01:37.29 | clad|sleep | we're talking vocation, versus science |
| 01:37.41 | Legorol | Shirik: i think you can stick to one language, as long as you put the emphasis on *concepts* as opposed to the specific examples in that language |
| 01:37.42 | clad|sleep | the book teaches the vocation, not the science ;-) |
| 01:37.47 | clad|sleep | Other than that.. I agree with you 100% |
| 01:37.56 | Legorol | clad|sleep: sort of |
| 01:38.03 | Legorol | but i still see a big problem, and i will keep hooting this |
| 01:38.09 | clad|sleep | the problem with csed texts, is the language gets in the way of the concepts. |
| 01:38.14 | Legorol | WoW players will pick up the book and expect to be able to make addons |
| 01:38.16 | Legorol | and they won't |
| 01:38.23 | clad|sleep | yes, they will |
| 01:38.38 | clad|sleep | otherwise we wouldn't be writing it. |
| 01:38.47 | Legorol | ok, let's let it rest |
| 01:38.50 | clad|sleep | ok |
| 01:39.21 | Shirik | Problem is (not related to the previous argument) problem solving is almost impossible to teach |
| 01:39.28 | Shirik | The tools to solve the problem, that's easy |
| 01:39.32 | Abyissviper | well, wish me luck on understanding it. (I'm REALLY code retarded until I make some very simple codes a few times) |
| 01:39.40 | Shirik | Problem solving -- how to approach a problem -- is hard to teach |
| 01:39.46 | Shirik | it's much easier to experience and pick up on your own |
| 01:40.15 | Abyissviper | anyway im gonna get on WoW. (Lethon) |
| 01:40.20 | Abyissviper | cya later |
| 01:40.26 | Shirik | !c us Lethon Abyissviper |
| 01:40.29 | ThraeBot | Shirik: Abyissviper, Level 25 Human Warlock (0/4/12). 714 HP; 1658 Mana; 78 mana regen; 5.7% dodge; +1 all resists;[[ TBR: 188 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/ytg9pm ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2opwul ]] |
| 01:40.36 | Shirik | hm |
| 01:40.39 | Shirik | pvp? |
| 01:41.01 | Shirik | bah he left |
| 01:41.08 | Shirik | I need a server to put a pvp allience priest on |
| 01:41.20 | JoshBorke | stormreaver |
| 01:41.29 | JoshBorke | home of the guild impervious |
| 01:41.35 | Shirik | yours? |
| 01:41.43 | JoshBorke | not my guild, but one of my servers |
| 01:42.13 | Shirik | just curious why you brought up the guild? |
| 01:42.21 | JoshBorke | you might have heard of them |
| 01:42.40 | Shirik | I don't know any of the real community, sadly |
| 01:42.43 | JoshBorke | they got to play around in mt. hyjal with same gms |
| 01:42.44 | Shirik | the top guilds, etc. |
| 01:42.52 | Shirik | the only people I know is the UI community |
| 01:43.26 | Shirik | wow. Battery life: 5 min (17%) |
| 01:43.27 | Shirik | brb... |
| 01:43.30 | Shirik | (p.s. wtf) |
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| 01:44.43 | foxlit | Hm, wiki needs a solid "Start writing addons in 5 seconds flat" guide |
| 01:45.01 | foxlit | Although that'd probably kill the market for any such books |
| 01:46.09 | Shirik | 5 seconds/? |
| 01:46.18 | Shirik | bye >< |
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| 01:46.48 | Shirik | hi cogwheel |
| 01:47.06 | JoshBorke | hi cog |
| 01:47.12 | JoshBorke | gief me a macro to drink mage water |
| 01:47.14 | Shirik | JoshBorke and I hate you |
| 01:47.31 | Shirik | you got Cairenn|afk hugs |
| 01:47.35 | Shirik | real ones |
| 01:47.39 | JoshBorke | no i didn't |
| 01:47.41 | Shirik | we only get fake, ASCII ones |
| 01:47.42 | JoshBorke | i wasn't there |
| 01:47.46 | JoshBorke | oh, wait, nvm |
| 01:47.46 | Shirik | no, cog did |
| 01:47.47 | JoshBorke | now i get it |
| 01:48.21 | JoshBorke | i don't hate you |
| 01:48.25 | Shirik | cogwheel: I think next time someone asks you a question like that |
| 01:48.44 | Shirik | Tell them /script function a(a) coroutine.wrap(a)(a); end |
| 01:48.54 | Shirik | they'll do anything |
| 01:49.10 | JoshBorke | stupid water all has different names |
| 01:49.57 | Legorol | i have a feeling it's nasty |
| 01:49.59 | Shirik | Also, sorry for being hyperactive tonight |
| 01:50.08 | Shirik | I haven't had much sleep and I now hate the DNS system |
| 01:50.17 | Shirik | yes, DNS system, like ATM machine |
| 01:50.25 | Shirik | or does the S stand for server |
| 01:50.39 | Bleeter | server, iirc |
| 01:50.52 | Shirik | and Legorol: It's an extremely fast /quit |
| 01:50.56 | Legorol | lol |
| 01:51.00 | Bleeter | nope, system |
| 01:51.06 | Legorol | i use SendChatMessage("\n","SAY") for that |
| 01:51.16 | Shirik | It crashes the lua stack by overflowing it with coroutines which aren't tracked correctly in Lua 5.1 |
| 01:51.30 | Legorol | oh, it's an actual /quit |
| 01:51.31 | Legorol | handy |
| 01:51.37 | Legorol | quicker than Alt+F4 then |
| 01:51.41 | Shirik | mhm |
| 01:51.49 | Shirik | when Lua crashes, WoW immediately shuts down |
| 01:51.57 | Legorol | yah |
| 01:51.59 | Shirik | probably a cascading crash |
| 01:52.05 | Legorol | it takes me a minute or so to Alt+F4 |
| 01:52.13 | Legorol | because it has to save all those vars |
| 01:52.16 | Legorol | this will come handy, thanks |
| 01:52.19 | Shirik | :) |
| 01:52.26 | Shirik | I'm still worried it can be exploited |
| 01:52.32 | Legorol | is it per-chance a Tem invention? |
| 01:52.39 | Shirik | But as of yet I haven't been able to get through it |
| 01:52.42 | Shirik | Actually, it's amusing |
| 01:52.55 | Shirik | foxlit, iirc, accidentally found it when trying to break Cide's bot |
| 01:52.57 | Legorol | well i'd have to start by understanding coroutines |
| 01:52.59 | Legorol | then the wrap call |
| 01:53.05 | Legorol | then i could ponder if it's exploitable |
| 01:53.13 | Shirik | I then spent some time in #lua and MSVC analyzing it |
| 01:53.18 | Shirik | and determined it was a bug |
| 01:53.37 | cogwheel | Anyone know of a global variable used by built-in code where changing it would cause noticeable taint? |
| 01:53.47 | Legorol | this |
| 01:53.48 | Legorol | arg1 |
| 01:53.49 | Legorol | :o) |
| 01:53.51 | Shirik | CastSpellByName |
| 01:54.16 | cogwheel | preferably not a function... and something a little more obvious, Legorol :P |
| 01:54.28 | Shirik | hrm |
| 01:54.34 | Legorol | mmm, you could taint UIPanelWindows? |
| 01:54.38 | Shirik | RAID_CLASS_COLORS? |
| 01:54.41 | Legorol | would do some whacky stuff |
| 01:55.10 | Shirik | I think RAID_CLASS_COLORS might |
| 01:55.20 | Shirik | taint the execution path during the creation of the frame |
| 01:55.26 | cogwheel | It's for the very first example of taint in the book... |
| 01:55.33 | cogwheel | needs to be easily testable |
| 01:55.37 | Legorol | so it has to be straightforward |
| 01:55.40 | Shirik | here let me try |
| 01:55.42 | Legorol | hmm |
| 01:55.46 | Shirik | er, let me not |
| 01:55.49 | Shirik | no good way to test atm |
| 01:56.34 | Shirik | I really think the major causes of taints are hooking functions tbh |
| 01:56.41 | Shirik | but if you really want a non-function variable |
| 01:56.56 | cogwheel | yeah... maybe i'll just go looking through the "constants" in the framexml files... |
| 01:57.00 | Shirik | there's gotta be some things with the edit box maybe |
| 01:57.09 | Legorol | NUM_ACTIONBAR_PAGES = 6; |
| 01:57.09 | Legorol | NUM_ACTIONBAR_BUTTONS = 12; |
| 01:57.16 | Legorol | taint those, actions don't work i think |
| 01:57.17 | Shirik | those'll probably work |
| 01:57.21 | cogwheel | yep |
| 01:57.26 | cogwheel | should work nicely |
| 01:57.27 | Legorol | pretty noticable |
| 01:57.41 | Shirik | heh |
| 01:57.46 | Shirik | I'd call not being able to cast anything "noticable" |
| 01:57.46 | Arrowmaster | some of the ITEMTYPE_* globals are nil, if you set them it breaks the [equiped] macro conditional |
| 01:58.39 | Legorol | Shirik: yeah but i think cog didn't want to mess with functions just yet |
| 01:58.51 | Shirik | yeah perhaps |
| 01:58.59 | Legorol | tainting a variable is more demonstrative of the concept of taint, i have to agree with him on that |
| 01:59.15 | Legorol | because you don't expect assigning a value to a variable to do much |
| 01:59.35 | Shirik | I totally agree |
| 01:59.42 | cogwheel | yep. want to drive the point home in that regard |
| 02:00.02 | Shirik | personally I would have picked RAID_CLASS_COLORS but that's because I know a lot more about unit frames than action bars |
| 02:00.07 | Shirik | possibly infinitely more |
| 02:00.15 | Arrowmaster | its also the harder to trackdown type of taint, since using issecurevariable() on the functions wont tell you anything since theyre tainted once they start running |
| 02:00.15 | Shirik | but action bars are much more noticable |
| 02:00.18 | cogwheel | but in order to experience the taint from that, wouldn't you have to form a raid group? |
| 02:00.19 | Legorol | it's not immediately obvious for the beginner though |
| 02:00.29 | Shirik | nope |
| 02:00.38 | Shirik | it's used in the party unit frames too |
| 02:00.42 | Shirik | ah wait, |
| 02:00.49 | Shirik | I meant the mana bar color one |
| 02:00.49 | Shirik | bleh |
| 02:01.06 | Shirik | Have I mentioned I'm beyond tired? |
| 02:01.17 | Shirik | one of those times you're so tired you don't want to go to sleep |
| 02:01.18 | cogwheel | gah... 20 mins in queue on ptr only to get discoed |
| 02:01.19 | Legorol | cogwheel: i just tried, NUM_ACTIONBAR_PAGES=6 taints action buttons very nicely |
| 02:01.24 | cogwheel | yep |
| 02:01.48 | Legorol | it's also nice if you set 6 and not any other number, to illustrate that setting the same, default value will still taint |
| 02:02.02 | Shirik | 6==6 |
| 02:02.04 | Shirik | but not so much |
| 02:02.07 | cogwheel | I'm doing NUM_ACTIONBAR_PAGES = NUM_ACTIONBAR_PAGES :p |
| 02:02.08 | Legorol | exactly ;_) |
| 02:02.13 | Legorol | hehe that works |
| 02:02.37 | Legorol | hm, doesn't that make you think that Lua in WoW is actually freaky? :D |
| 02:02.49 | Arrowmaster | getglobal is a c function right? |
| 02:02.50 | Legorol | Shirik phrased it best indeed, 6==6 but not quite |
| 02:03.01 | Legorol | Arrowmaster: correct |
| 02:03.01 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: yes |
| 02:03.16 | JoshBorke | it's a lua functoin i thought |
| 02:03.18 | Shirik | I especially like when I messed with string.match |
| 02:03.25 | Legorol | JoshBorke: it's purely C |
| 02:03.38 | Legorol | in fact afaik it just exposes lua_getglobal to Lua |
| 02:04.07 | Shirik | function getglobal(s) return getfenv(0)[s]; end |
| 02:04.10 | Arrowmaster | so if secure code does getglobal on a tainted variable is the return tainted |
| 02:04.13 | Shirik | That should taint nicely too |
| 02:04.19 | Shirik | yes |
| 02:04.39 | Tem | Legorol, I haven't crashed lua yet |
| 02:04.41 | cogwheel | well, not quite |
| 02:04.55 | Shirik | sure it is, it took tainted parameters |
| 02:04.59 | Legorol | Tem: foxlit beat you to it then, has he ... ts ts |
| 02:05.03 | Shirik | oh wait |
| 02:05.05 | Shirik | not necessarily |
| 02:05.06 | cogwheel | oh i see... misread |
| 02:05.14 | Shirik | bu I think it should be |
| 02:05.28 | Shirik | because using the variable name itself is just translated into a GETGLOBAL |
| 02:05.43 | Tem | btw, Shirik, your lua crash doesn't crash me |
| 02:05.52 | Shirik | that's because I left out one part |
| 02:05.54 | Shirik | put an a(a) at the end |
| 02:06.02 | Legorol | if you redefine the Lua-side getglobal, you will only taint places which explicitly use getglobal |
| 02:06.07 | Shirik | making the function doesn't crash, calling it does |
| 02:06.21 | Legorol | the Lua-side getglobal is just a reference to lua_getglobal, if you redefine it, you severe that link |
| 02:07.38 | Arrowmaster | i wonder if doing _G = getfenv(0) would taint anything |
| 02:07.58 | Shirik | hrm |
| 02:08.07 | Shirik | I don't know of any Blizzard code that uses _G |
| 02:08.14 | Shirik | from what I've seen they just use getglobal |
| 02:08.31 | Shirik | and iirc Blizzard does something strange with _G anyway |
| 02:09.14 | Shirik | Tem: Did that crash it? :) |
| 02:09.20 | Arrowmaster | well if they did use _G they should be using local _G = getfenv(0) in their code anyway incase somebody did taint _G |
| 02:09.26 | Tem | Shirik, aye |
| 02:09.38 | Tem | nice and quiet, too |
| 02:09.55 | Tem | I prefer my crashes to be a bit louder |
| 02:10.03 | Tem | with more ZOMG ERROR dialogs |
| 02:12.03 | Legorol | omg, not even a Send Error Report thingy |
| 02:12.43 | Legorol | later folks |
| 02:13.11 | Shirik | mine is very loud :) |
| 02:13.58 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/72153 |
| 02:14.05 | Shirik | I should try attaching MSVC to WoW and see what comes out |
| 02:15.50 | clad|sleep | Warden :P |
| 02:16.24 | Shirik | why would warden get mad at msvc? |
| 02:16.29 | Shirik | (too late anyway) |
| 02:16.32 | clad|sleep | lol |
| 02:17.34 | Shirik | it looks almost identical, actually |
| 02:17.43 | Shirik | just with five million more "Symbols loaded" messages at the top |
| 02:18.55 | cogwheel | Heh... NUM_ACTIONBAR_PAGES only works for Warriors :P |
| 02:19.11 | cogwheel | _BUTTONS it is... |
| 02:19.33 | Shirik | because they don't have pages? |
| 02:19.35 | Shirik | they have stances? |
| 02:19.39 | cogwheel | no... |
| 02:19.45 | Shirik | dunno, I never had a warrior |
| 02:20.02 | cogwheel | because ActionButton_GetPagedID doesn't check the pages count except for classes with stances |
| 02:20.13 | cogwheel | s/only works for Warriors/only works for classes with stances/ |
| 02:20.50 | Shirik | that's what I meant :P |
| 02:21.05 | Shirik | p.s. it doesn't cause problems for me, but I think that's because of an addon maybe? |
| 02:21.10 | Shirik | I know nothing about action bar coding, it's sad :( |
| 02:21.23 | cogwheel | yeah... it only works for the default action bar |
| 02:21.33 | Shirik | or the lack thereof |
| 02:25.45 | Shirik | I'm gonna head out |
| 02:25.46 | Shirik | take care guys |
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| 03:09.43 | Cidan | KATAMARI DAMACCCYYYYY |
| 03:15.15 | MentalPower | ??? |
| 03:15.49 | Cidan | Hmm? |
| 03:15.53 | Cidan | It's the best game ever. |
| 03:26.04 | cogwheel | Is it wrong for me to say "Learn to open doors noob" to my dog? |
| 03:26.18 | cladhaire | hahahah |
| 03:26.18 | cladhaire | no |
| 03:26.19 | cogwheel | (My dog that's about 8-10 inches tall) |
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| 03:32.02 | cogwheel | Heh... i've signed about 5 charters over the last hour on the PTR |
| 03:32.09 | cogwheel | idling in stormwind |
| 03:33.35 | Bleeter | cogwheel: that's only wrong if your dog won't answer back 'tits or gtfo' |
| 03:33.50 | Bleeter | 'coz it's unfair if yer dog can't |
| 03:34.25 | cogwheel | Tits? |
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| 03:35.16 | JoshBorke | where? |
| 03:35.59 | cogwheel | Sometimes when he sneezes it sounds like GTFO... |
| 03:37.41 | Arrowmaster | i almost caused a friends dog to get named 'roofles' |
| 03:38.44 | Arrowmaster | he was asking for suggestions on what to name his new puppy and i told him roofles, few days later he yelled at me because his girlfriend thought it was cute |
| 03:39.11 | cladhaire | hahahah |
| 03:39.27 | Nom- | roofles or roofies ? |
| 03:39.36 | Arrowmaster | roofles |
| 03:39.45 | Nom- | meh |
| 03:39.48 | Nom- | *shrug* |
| 03:39.48 | Wobwork | hehe |
| 03:39.51 | Wobwork | it's a cute name |
| 03:40.10 | Bleeter | not as cute as that cat in Redridge... FC |
| 03:40.21 | Bleeter | or EffSee, can't quite recall |
| 03:41.05 | Wobwork | don't quite get it |
| 03:41.24 | Bleeter | F C.... "freakin' cat' |
| 03:41.32 | Bleeter | prolly more like 'fuckin cat' |
| 03:42.18 | Wobwork | meh, most people never get that irritated at the cat |
| 03:42.23 | Wobwork | it's usually "stupid cat" |
| 03:42.45 | cogwheel | I knew someone who named their cat Shithead |
| 03:43.01 | Bleeter | Wobwork: spose it depends on the kind of pussy one's dealing with |
| 03:43.09 | Bleeter | cogwheel: poor cat :( |
| 03:43.14 | cogwheel | Made no apologies for it around kids even |
| 03:43.29 | Wobwork | if it had kittens would they be 'little shitheads'? |
| 03:43.50 | cogwheel | when they grew up... they'd start out as turds, imo :P |
| 03:46.10 | Wobwork | you'd only have to worry, Bleeter, if they hit a fan |
| 03:46.32 | Bleeter | as a Mistral employee once told me... |
| 03:46.38 | Bleeter | ... your only as good as your fans |
| 03:46.56 | Wobwork | ~rimshot |
| 03:46.58 | purl | ba-dum CHH |
| 03:50.22 | Bleeter | ATTENTION: All planets of the Solar Federation - We have assumed control |
| 03:50.41 | Wobwork | I for one, welcome our new alien overlords =P |
| 03:51.16 | Wobwork | hang on |
| 03:51.21 | Wobwork | you have 'assumed control'? |
| 03:51.26 | Wobwork | Does that mean you're not sure? |
| 03:51.53 | Kirkburn | Morning Cairenn |
| 03:55.08 | Cairenn | hi hi |
| 03:56.02 | cogwheel | Cairenn: JoshBorke & Shirik are mad at all the people who went to blizzcon <.< >.> |
| 03:56.18 | cogwheel | They're jealous of the RL hugs from you :P |
| 03:56.25 | Cairenn | ahhh |
| 03:56.31 | Cairenn | well, can you blame them? |
| 03:56.41 | cogwheel | <.> |
| 03:57.01 | Thunder_Child | lol |
| 03:57.09 | Thunder_Child | she is grabby |
| 03:57.32 | Cairenn | Thunder_Child: you hush, I know that you ARE jealous, since I didn't "grab" you at all ;) |
| 03:58.04 | Thunder_Child | do i get in trouble if i say i'm not? |
| 03:58.24 | cogwheel | *Thunder_Child* Kicked by Cairenn |
| 03:58.29 | Thunder_Child | heh, i got a hugm that was enough |
| 03:58.33 | Thunder_Child | hug* |
| 03:58.33 | Cairenn | :) |
| 03:59.12 | Bleeter | Wobwork: dunno.. ask Neil Peart |
| 03:59.33 | Thunder_Child | how come your not as.....errr....nurotic here on irc...it would be so much more fun |
| 03:59.53 | Cairenn | I am some times |
| 04:00.23 | Bleeter | gah, the load screen tips need a grammar checker.. *STILL* |
| 04:00.31 | Bleeter | 'once you get A key, THEY ....' |
| 04:00.38 | Cairenn | I've just been rather tame lately, busy with other stuff, but I was able to chill and just devote my whole attention to the community while I was there :) |
| 04:01.10 | Thunder_Child | i hope you spent more time enjoying yourself then tracking us down |
| 04:01.32 | Cairenn | I had fun keeping track of everyone, letting folks know what was going on when and where |
| 04:02.35 | Thunder_Child | ah, your one of thoes people... |
| 04:02.43 | Thunder_Child | all good then |
| 04:02.53 | Cairenn | "those" people? |
| 04:03.24 | Thunder_Child | that have fun and enjoy the feeling of setting up something and seeing it all come together |
| 04:03.40 | Thunder_Child | regardless of the stress of seting it up |
| 04:04.23 | cogwheel | i helped relieve some of the stress XD |
| 04:04.43 | Thunder_Child | *cough cough* seprate checks :) |
| 04:05.18 | Cairenn | notice I was drinking every night? ;) |
| 04:05.28 | Thunder_Child | it's a good thing i will be taking english class again soon |
| 04:05.32 | Thunder_Child | no i didnt |
| 04:05.41 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 04:05.53 | cladhaire | i did :P |
| 04:05.56 | cladhaire | not a lot.. but one or two delicious drinks |
| 04:06.00 | cladhaire | with chocolate |
| 04:06.01 | Thunder_Child | besides, i wasnt invited the first night |
| 04:06.02 | cladhaire | just like a woman :P |
| 04:08.15 | cladhaire | *hugs* |
| 04:08.25 | Cairenn | :) |
| 04:09.21 | Thunder_Child | well at least i figured out why you go afk all the time |
| 04:09.32 | Thunder_Child | cancer sticks |
| 04:09.43 | Cairenn | indeed, except I smoke here at my computer |
| 04:09.50 | Thunder_Child | really? |
| 04:09.58 | Thunder_Child | what about your daughter? |
| 04:09.58 | Cairenn | no, I lied |
| 04:10.09 | Cairenn | go go air filter |
| 04:11.02 | Thunder_Child | i suddenly had a vision of an air filter in a hero caps... |
| 04:11.06 | Thunder_Child | cape* |
| 04:11.11 | Cairenn | lol |
| 04:11.39 | Thunder_Child | damn overactive imagination |
| 04:12.43 | Thunder_Child | anyone know why they didnt have a blizzcon 2006? |
| 04:12.59 | cladhaire | nothing to show, time to organize, too much of a good thing |
| 04:13.04 | cladhaire | if i had to guess :P |
| 04:13.05 | Cairenn | didn't have anything to announce, and it takes a lot of resources to put it on |
| 04:13.26 | Thunder_Child | i dunno, you know people would go even if they dont have anything to announce |
| 04:13.30 | Cairenn | including, but not limited to, time, cash, disruption |
| 04:13.39 | Cairenn | I've been telling them that, they aren't listening so far |
| 04:14.05 | Thunder_Child | also anyone know the rough people count at this years? |
| 04:14.11 | Cairenn | 8k+ |
| 04:14.29 | Thunder_Child | thanks..was wondering about that |
| 04:14.53 | Cairenn | that's the # they "sold" - I don't think that even included the VIP/Press/Staff/Family/Friends |
| 04:16.18 | Thunder_Child | huh... Guillotine said the hall had a 15K max, so it couldnt have been more than that |
| 04:16.34 | Thunder_Child | or somthing close to that |
| 04:16.50 | Cairenn | 15k-8k=7k, duh |
| 04:17.06 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 04:17.12 | Thunder_Child | (21:14:55) (@Cairenn) that's the # they "sold" - I don't think that even included the VIP/Press/Staff/Family/Friends |
| 04:17.14 | cogwheel | my wife and I saw a huge stack of unclaimed badges |
| 04:17.24 | cogwheel | at least a few hundred |
| 04:17.35 | Cairenn | yeah, that was bizarre |
| 04:18.16 | Thunder_Child | made or blank?...because they could create them on the spot as well |
| 04:18.36 | Cairenn | oh, btw, I checked out the Dippin' Dots site - they are lucky I'm not suing them |
| 04:18.39 | cogwheel | they were printed already (we were curious ><) |
| 04:18.48 | cogwheel | O.O |
| 04:18.59 | MentalPower | its made with aspartame? |
| 04:19.43 | Cairenn | "Chocolate" is made with sugar, and that's what I asked for - but they have a "Sugar Free [something or other] Fudge" that is made with, you guessed it, aspartame |
| 04:19.51 | art3mis | holy christ i hate my landlord |
| 04:20.16 | Thunder_Child | you mean that stand they had in the hall? |
| 04:20.16 | Cairenn | anyone want to take bets on what I was I actually got given? |
| 04:20.20 | art3mis | there's also that sugar i think its equal? thats not really sugar but is |
| 04:20.23 | cogwheel | Phenoketonuric? |
| 04:20.34 | MentalPower | the sugar free version? |
| 04:20.38 | art3mis | yeah |
| 04:20.40 | Cairenn | that's my guess |
| 04:20.50 | Cairenn | Thunder_Child: yeah |
| 04:21.10 | MentalPower | the funny part is that the lady selling it did not know |
| 04:21.40 | Cairenn | given that the chippy at the stand had no idea what it was made with or anything else, I'm more than willing to bet it was actually the sugar-free Fudge, not Chocolate |
| 04:22.01 | Thunder_Child | one of these days i cam going to go somewhere that has a lot of people and have resonably price food.... |
| 04:22.04 | Cairenn | I'm going to be writing to them |
| 04:22.07 | Thunder_Child | blizzcon was not it |
| 04:22.14 | Thunder_Child | am* |
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| 04:24.34 | Cairenn | MentalPower: that part wasn't "funny" at all - as I said, they're lucky I'm not sue-happy like so many people are these days |
| 04:25.36 | Cairenn | and if I hadn't realized what was happening in time, gotten the Benadryl and ended up in the hospital, ... |
| 04:26.33 | cladhaire | Cairenn: you're allergic? |
| 04:26.53 | Cairenn | to aspartame? yes, really should get an epi-pen |
| 04:27.01 | Cairenn | will one of these days |
| 04:27.06 | Thunder_Child | is that a tester? |
| 04:27.16 | cladhaire | no, its an emergency shot |
| 04:27.21 | Cairenn | what clad said |
| 04:27.44 | Cairenn | straight shot of epinephrine |
| 04:27.58 | Cairenn | (adrenaline) |
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| 04:28.45 | Cairenn | that little adventure proved it's gotten even worse - 1 mouthful and my tongue was numb and my throat was swelling shut |
| 04:29.26 | Cairenn | thank god the first aid station had benadryl on hand |
| 04:29.39 | Nom- | bleh |
| 04:29.47 | Nom- | Mate of mine had his WoW account banned |
| 04:29.51 | Cairenn | oh? |
| 04:30.17 | Nom- | Still not sure *why* ... a mate of his logged on and deleted a number of toons and transferred the gold to his account |
| 04:30.28 | Nom- | The email he got seems to indicate that's the reason |
| 04:30.50 | Cairenn | account sharing *is* against the rules |
| 04:31.27 | Cairenn | banned, or suspended while they investigate and restore? |
| 04:31.38 | Nom- | Was suspended, now banned |
| 04:31.55 | Nom- | For something like 13g in cash on a whole stack of lowbie toons |
| 04:31.59 | Nom- | Like wtf?? |
| 04:32.21 | Cairenn | ie did he send in a problem report, saying that his account had been hacked or anything? |
| 04:32.53 | Nom- | Nope |
| 04:32.55 | Cairenn | because in those situations they suspend the accounts while they investigate |
| 04:33.06 | Nom- | Nothing was hacked |
| 04:33.10 | Nom- | That's the thing |
| 04:33.18 | Cairenn | something must have happened for them to do it |
| 04:33.27 | Nom- | Person A logs on and deletes their toons |
| 04:33.36 | Cairenn | they don't randomly ban with no reason |
| 04:33.38 | Nom- | Person A at the same time transfers any gold on those toons |
| 04:33.55 | Nom- | Person B's account gets banned for being the recipient of the gold from Person A |
| 04:34.36 | Cairenn | best he can do is try to go through the email/phone process to find out what/why and see if they'll reverse |
| 04:34.47 | Nom- | Seems kind of stupid... both account holders have sent in emails explaining it... hopefully it turns out well |
| 04:34.48 | Cairenn | sucks, but there it is |
| 04:34.53 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 04:35.26 | Arrowmaster | usually things go faster if you call rather than email ive heard |
| 04:35.32 | Nom- | The only reason it seems to be an issue is because both connections came from the same IP... surely they wouldn't be extra harsh just because Person A happened to be at Person B's house at the time it occurred? |
| 04:35.43 | Nom- | *sigh* oh well |
| 04:36.41 | Arrowmaster | both accounts are in the names of the people right? |
| 04:37.23 | Nom- | Different names on the accounts yeah...in the names of the people involved |
| 04:37.43 | Arrowmaster | i mean the names on the accounts are the names of the people involved |
| 04:37.46 | Arrowmaster | er yeah |
| 04:37.48 | Nom- | Yes |
| 04:39.18 | Arrowmaster | if they call and both offer to do the account verification thing or whatever where you fax in a copy of an id or something i would think they would unban |
| 04:46.10 | AnduinLothar | is there a story for hydros |
| 04:46.11 | AnduinLothar | ? |
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| 04:56.04 | cogwheel | We got a PSP today. |
| 04:56.28 | cogwheel | "we" being my wife ;) |
| 04:56.34 | cladhaire | ;-) |
| 04:59.07 | Kyahx | cogwheel: im sorry |
| 04:59.22 | Kyahx | Maybe they'll let you return it :) |
| 04:59.33 | Nom- | We can only hope... |
| 04:59.37 | Thunder_Child | or maybe your wife will let you play it |
| 04:59.58 | cogwheel | We decided to wait until there were at least two games we wanted... She got two, so... |
| 05:00.22 | Nom- | You actually want a PSP to play games? |
| 05:00.25 | cladhaire | you can install lua on it |
| 05:00.32 | Nom- | *boggle* |
| 05:01.44 | Nom- | The only reason I would buy a PSP is to play DVDs on the road |
| 05:01.49 | Nom- | But then I might as well get a portable DVD player |
| 05:01.52 | Nom- | Since it can't even play DVDs |
| 05:03.26 | Nom- | That's like me & XBox 360 |
| 05:03.31 | Nom- | The only reason I want one is for Halo 3 |
| 05:03.37 | Nom- | But I'm not going to buy a console just for one game |
| 05:03.40 | Nom- | So *shrug* |
| 05:04.08 | Nom- | Having said that, XBox-360 & Dual-Boot Linux = smaller web server :) |
| 05:04.33 | Nom- | I'm sure they'll make it happen one day |
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| 05:11.18 | Cairenn | sweet dreams clad|sleep |
| 05:11.22 | clad|sleep | night |
| 05:16.05 | cogwheel | My eyes are telling me to do the same |
| 05:16.29 | cogwheel | weird to think that he stayed up 3 hours later than me... |
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| 06:05.35 | Corrodias | okay, i see the "auto loot corpse" option. where's auto loot disenchants? |
| 06:11.59 | Bleeter | same thing, mislabelled option ;) |
| 06:12.06 | Bleeter | should just be 'auto-loot' |
| 06:16.05 | Cairenn | night guys |
| 06:16.12 | art3mis | any of you play alliance on kelthuzad? |
| 06:19.12 | Corrodias | hmm |
| 06:19.25 | Corrodias | not only do i not want to autoloot corpses, but i just tried it and it didn't autoloot my disenchant |
| 06:34.39 | Thunder_Child | doesnt work for that sadly |
| 06:35.08 | Thunder_Child | or more like iritatingly |
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| 06:39.41 | Bleeter | hmm, well, I get auto-looting on DE |
| 06:40.02 | Bleeter | tho sometimes it doesn't work.. but it doesn't always work from looting corpses either... so.. meh |
| 06:40.22 | Thunder_Child | yea, dunno why..although i have never had it yet for for me for d/e |
| 06:40.33 | Thunder_Child | s/yet/yet work/ |
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| 07:03.57 | Wobwork | http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa215/Senalsun/1186648491693.gif |
| 07:04.27 | Wobwork | Autoloot on D/E shouldn't work |
| 07:04.28 | Wobwork | tbh |
| 07:04.43 | Wobwork | cause if you don't have the room, you could possibly lose an item maybe somehow |
| 07:04.49 | Wobwork | or something =P |
| 07:05.00 | Bleeter | erm, no... the item is destroyed |
| 07:05.05 | Bleeter | so.. you've always got room ;) |
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| 07:06.26 | Wobwork | yeah |
| 07:06.35 | Wobwork | but people are going to complain more if it screws up on d/e |
| 07:06.42 | Wobwork | than if autoloot on a corpse fails |
| 07:06.59 | Wobwork | I'm sure there's some latency issues too |
| 07:07.11 | Wobwork | I know I can't do the standard pickpocket autoloot cheapshot |
| 07:07.26 | Wobwork | cause the lootlag prevents the actual autolooting of the pickpocket window |
| 07:24.02 | Corrodias | is there a way to tell whether the loot window has come from a disenchant, prospect, or corpse? |
| 07:24.10 | Corrodias | or other source |
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| 07:41.44 | Bleeter | spellsteal's so cool at finding missing strings! |
| 07:41.50 | Bleeter | http://s183.photobucket.com/albums/x27/bleeter/?action=view¤t=beast_tooltip_strings.jpg |
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| 08:10.23 | Abyissviper | is it true that on the Lethon servers theres a giant dragon out in duskwood called Lethon? |
| 08:10.28 | Abyissviper | server* |
| 08:10.48 | Corrodias | i have never heard any indication that any of the realms are different from the others in terms of content |
| 08:11.05 | zenzelezz | he's an outdoor raid boss like any other |
| 08:12.53 | Corrodias | http://www.wowwiki.com/Lethon |
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| 08:13.29 | Corrodias | so the answer is yes, but the question is misleading |
| 08:13.34 | Corrodias | in fact, he's there on every realm |
| 08:13.38 | Corrodias | or in other locations |
| 08:13.46 | zenzelezz | and only spawns occasionally |
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| 08:14.16 | Abyissviper | rarespawn then .-. |
| 08:14.23 | zenzelezz | sort of, yes |
| 08:14.30 | zenzelezz | the four of them spawn at the same time |
| 08:14.45 | zenzelezz | they used to die within an hour or two of spawning, after BC they can remain up for days |
| 08:15.55 | Corrodias | hey, wowwiki's article on the dragons of nightmare doesn't mention that |
| 08:16.08 | zenzelezz | which bit? |
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| 08:16.35 | Corrodias | the fact that they spawn at the same time. it also omits any information about how frequently that is. |
| 08:17.00 | zenzelezz | I think it's semi-random, big raid guilds used to have phone lists to call when they popped |
| 08:17.11 | zenzelezz | and I may be wrong, but I do believe they spawn at the same time |
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| 08:18.36 | TC-Holding | your talking about the 4 ghost (ish) dragons? |
| 08:18.44 | zenzelezz | not ghosts |
| 08:19.01 | zenzelezz | they spawn in those four semi-isolated locations full of dragonkin |
| 08:19.02 | Abyissviper | nightmare dragons |
| 08:19.07 | zenzelezz | yes |
| 08:19.14 | Thunder_Child | the one next to westfall was transparent |
| 08:19.41 | zenzelezz | that might be, but I wouldn't call them ghosts |
| 08:19.48 | Thunder_Child | eh, looks similar to netherspite |
| 08:20.06 | Thunder_Child | i just called them ghost dragons...been a long time since i killed any of thoes |
| 08:20.43 | Corrodias | well, good night! |
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| 08:21.11 | Thunder_Child | night Corrodias |
| 08:22.06 | Nom_ | hmmm i shall try to force myself to learn emacs |
| 08:22.09 | Nom_ | :) |
| 08:22.27 | Nom- | lol wrong channel :P |
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| 08:29.41 | zenzelezz | does anyone know if MSN gives you any hint if you try to contact someone that's blocked you? Starting to think someone might have accidentally blocked me, wouldn't be the first time (though that was an in-game ignore) |
| 08:30.23 | art3mis | i think it does |
| 08:30.34 | art3mis | not entirely sure though |
| 08:31.42 | Nom- | Maybe they just don't like you any more? :) |
| 08:31.58 | zenzelezz | I'm getting messages from them, but mine don't reach them |
| 08:32.01 | Nom- | I don't think it does though |
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| 08:32.03 | zenzelezz | either way my already low respect for MSN is taking a huge tumble lately... doesn't matter what client I use, even Live! Messenger itself |
| 08:32.07 | Nom- | It's like a silent ignore thing |
| 08:45.35 | Bleeter | zenzelezz: you'd prolly get a better response to that question in #pidgin ;) |
| 08:45.51 | zenzelezz | Bleeter: perhaps, but I realized it's not a Pidgin problem |
| 08:45.54 | zenzelezz | just MSN |
| 08:46.06 | Bleeter | yeah, but some of them know the protocol really really well |
| 08:48.47 | Industrial | msn die. go irc :o |
| 08:48.57 | zenzelezz | agreed, but not all people are as easy to convince |
| 08:53.41 | Abyissviper | can you be a jewelcrafter from just buying a jewelers kit? |
| 08:55.40 | zenzelezz | no, that would be like buying a Blacksmith Hammer and being a blacksmith; you still have to talk to a trainer. The kit is just the item you need |
| 08:55.59 | Abyissviper | wheres the trainer? |
| 08:56.04 | Abyissviper | never seen one o.o |
| 08:56.23 | Nom- | Silvermoon, or Shattrath |
| 08:56.28 | Nom- | Not sure about Alliance |
| 08:56.51 | Nom- | Probably the Dranei city which noone ever goes to :P |
| 08:57.28 | Abyissviper | i dont got BC so im with the 99.99% that dont go ._. |
| 08:57.42 | zenzelezz | don't know if you can be a jewelcrafter without BC |
| 08:58.08 | Industrial | no |
| 08:59.58 | Bleeter | trainers are in BC zones, was advertised as a new profession in BC... yup, need BC to be a JC |
| 09:00.53 | Nom- | *nod* |
| 09:00.58 | Nom- | You can buy jewels from other players |
| 09:01.01 | Nom- | But you can't make them yourself |
| 09:01.15 | Nom- | There's no point anyway... you need to farm outland to get the good recipes |
| 09:01.34 | Arrowmaster | and you wont find anything equipable at lvl 60 thats socketed |
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| 09:01.49 | Nom- | Actually |
| 09:01.56 | Nom- | Oh, well no... not in Azeroth |
| 09:01.58 | Nom- | :P |
| 09:02.06 | Nom- | I think Ramparts has a few things which are L60 |
| 09:02.31 | Nom- | At the end of the day...if you don't have TBC, why bother? :/ |
| 09:02.38 | Nom- | I can't imagine not being level 70 personally |
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| 09:05.14 | Wobin | I'm fairly certain even the BC level <60 items are unsocketed |
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| 09:06.53 | Nom- | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=24090http://www.wowhead.com/?item=24090http://www.wowhead.com/?item=24090 |
| 09:06.53 | Nom- | oops |
| 09:06.53 | Nom- | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=24090 |
| 09:07.29 | Nom- | Oh, < 60 sure |
| 09:07.37 | Nom- | <= 60, no...there are level 60 items with sockets :) |
| 09:08.09 | Bleeter | Nom-: that's BoP, so you'd still need BC to get it ;) |
| 09:08.15 | Abyissviper | getting off JC subject... |
| 09:08.26 | Nom- | Duh... :) |
| 09:08.26 | Bleeter | oh noes! |
| 09:09.08 | Abyissviper | im gettin on WoW now. (Lethon on this guy lol) |
| 09:09.11 | Nom- | I suppose you could still make yourself rings, trinkets and amulets |
| 09:09.13 | Nom- | But still... |
| 09:09.17 | Abyissviper | cya later |
| 09:09.25 | Bleeter | still need BC to get the profession |
| 09:09.32 | Nom- | Wish I could log on :( |
| 09:09.32 | Wobin | It'd be like grinding to 60 on boars =) |
| 09:09.45 | Bleeter | Nom-: realm down? |
| 09:09.50 | Nom- | Nope |
| 09:09.53 | Nom- | @ work |
| 09:09.56 | Nom- | With nothing to do |
| 09:10.03 | Nom- | Other than chat on IRC and troll forums |
| 09:10.21 | Bleeter | Nom-: can I call your boss and say there's a family emergency? |
| 09:14.26 | Nom- | lol |
| 09:15.06 | Nom- | "There's a family emergency! A raid full of humans and night elves have raided Orgrimmar. Er, I mean, someone is sick!" |
| 09:20.30 | art3mis | wow i just noticed an odd "tick" that wow has caused me to have |
| 09:20.54 | art3mis | have you ever looked at a picture and found yourself holding a mouse button and moving the page to change the angle? |
| 09:26.26 | Bleeter | on screenshots? all the bleedin' time |
| 09:26.41 | Bleeter | and not just of WoW.. any rendered world.. driving me damned crazy! |
| 09:26.53 | Bleeter | Nom-: took the words right outta my mouth |
| 09:27.41 | art3mis | heh yeah |
| 09:27.47 | art3mis | was just looking at pics of an apt |
| 09:27.49 | zenzelezz | I don't try to move around in pictures, but when I play Flashpoin/ArmA my nose is nearly touching the screen quite often |
| 09:27.55 | art3mis | and i wanted to swing it around to see more |
| 09:28.46 | art3mis | ive decided that i ahte my landlord and im going to talk to two friends of mine to see if i can get out of the lease easily |
| 09:28.48 | art3mis | and move |
| 09:29.04 | art3mis | the stupid bitch went away last week, we had a flood it knocked out the hotwater ehater |
| 09:29.07 | art3mis | heater |
| 09:29.37 | art3mis | AND we couldnt jsut relight it because she stored paint. thinner, floor sealent, laquer, tile adhesive in the basemet that got flooded |
| 09:29.58 | art3mis | and it all moxed together in a nice mess so much so that we thought someone was spray painting in the hallway |
| 09:30.44 | art3mis | and then today, since we left a message about her not getting rent until it was fixed had the gall to say that she'd file court papers for non payment |
| 09:31.02 | art3mis | so i wanna break my lease and get the fuck out of this piece of shit house and its stupid landlord |
| 09:31.33 | art3mis | heh tomorrow is gonna be fun too since me and the neighbors upstairs are both calling the epa and the city landlord complaint line |
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| 09:34.46 | art3mis | i think we've got a goot lease break too, she's included a point in it that is in direct countence to the tenant rights law |
| 09:35.14 | art3mis | and last time i checked it's illegal to include in a lease anything that removes the rights given by federal and state law |
| 09:37.57 | art3mis | </rant> |
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| 09:42.11 | Industrial | wall-of-text |
| 09:42.15 | Industrial | but, venting is good |
| 09:42.25 | art3mis | yeah |
| 09:42.34 | art3mis | she pisses me off and has for the last 2 years |
| 09:42.44 | art3mis | i really need to move |
| 09:46.45 | Industrial | making unitframes \o/ http://images.gammatester.com/pics/3ebe5cd58bb64defae22418adc8513a1.jpg |
| 09:47.50 | Industrial | Hmm |
| 09:47.50 | zenzelezz | clean |
| 09:47.59 | zenzelezz | "Industrialol"? |
| 09:48.08 | Industrial | yeah needed a name string |
| 09:48.21 | Industrial | its not working yet |
| 09:48.24 | Industrial | just layout |
| 09:48.33 | art3mis | heh |
| 09:48.44 | art3mis | im actually growing quite fond of stellarui |
| 09:48.47 | art3mis | err uf |
| 09:49.00 | art3mis | just target, player and party frames |
| 09:49.05 | art3mis | no fluff |
| 09:49.16 | art3mis | i miss minigroup though |
| 09:49.21 | Industrial | Im thinking of making something like Dash, but it wouldnt be a toggle for everything, it'd be a toggle per managed frame |
| 09:49.29 | art3mis | i really wish someone would make a new version |
| 09:49.32 | Industrial | with like, tabs. |
| 09:49.55 | Industrial | so I could hide my entire actionbar in a tab that would shove in/out |
| 09:50.04 | art3mis | sphere |
| 09:50.09 | art3mis | go play with that |
| 09:50.15 | Industrial | sphere? |
| 09:50.18 | art3mis | nods |
| 09:50.41 | art3mis | its a circle player UF with 10 sunfire button configs |
| 09:50.56 | Industrial | oh, well it'd work for any frame |
| 09:50.57 | art3mis | for out of combat, in combat, yadd yadd yadd |
| 09:51.07 | art3mis | its kinna groovy |
| 09:51.14 | Industrial | url :>? |
| 09:51.20 | art3mis | the only thing that would make it super awesome is if it could auto shift |
| 09:51.28 | art3mis | files.wowace.com |
| 09:51.48 | Industrial | http://www.wowace.com/wiki/Sphere |
| 09:51.50 | Industrial | no shot : |
| 09:51.51 | Industrial | :( |
| 09:52.05 | art3mis | by autoshift i mean if the bars rotated on thier own so that you'd always have the bars on a configed "direction" of the orb |
| 09:52.08 | Industrial | trying it. |
| 09:52.22 | art3mis | i guess like sprocket |
| 09:53.55 | Industrial | aaaand the libs are wrong |
| 09:53.58 | Industrial | I hate that |
| 09:54.16 | Industrial | people are too lazy to check if all libraries are set right in externals |
| 09:54.23 | Industrial | cause they have everything anyway |
| 09:54.26 | Industrial | so it loads fine for them |
| 09:54.29 | Industrial | but not for me |
| 09:54.30 | Industrial | >_< |
| 09:55.00 | art3mis | heh |
| 09:55.05 | art3mis | its pretty fun to play with |
| 09:55.29 | art3mis | only thing you need to know in advance is that button/slot 1 is at 12 o'clock |
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| 09:58.41 | Industrial | and SpecialEvents-Aura-2.0 |
| 09:58.44 | Industrial | right fuck it. |
| 10:00.01 | art3mis | whiner ;P |
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| 10:17.02 | Industrial | is there a global I can get the exactl colors from for unit power types (mana, rage, ect)? |
| 10:17.15 | Industrial | like RAID_CLASS_COLORS for class colors |
| 10:19.54 | Industrial | if not ill just do 0,0,1 1,0,0 1,1,0 1,1,0 for mana/rage/energy/focus :P |
| 10:21.04 | Punkie` | I don't think there is |
| 10:21.40 | Punkie` | or at least, I don't remember seeing any UF using something like that |
| 10:21.49 | Industrial | ok |
| 10:33.22 | Bleeter | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:33.35 | Bleeter | only 6 active players in this AV I'm in, on my faction's side |
| 10:33.38 | Bleeter | 34 afkers |
| 10:33.57 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 10:34.05 | nevcairiel | you cant wait for 2.2 eh ? :P |
| 10:40.59 | Bleeter | it'sd gunna be like the anti-=spam surge |
| 10:41.06 | Bleeter | huge surge of afkers before the patch hits |
| 10:41.21 | Industrial | whats happening in 2.2 then? |
| 10:42.18 | Bleeter | learn 2 read PTR patch notes! :P |
| 10:42.18 | Bleeter | players 'vote' (for want of a better term) against AFKers |
| 10:42.26 | Bleeter | after some accumulation of votes occur, debuff is applied to that player, can't gain honor |
| 10:42.33 | Bleeter | have to get in combat to lose the debuff |
| 10:42.55 | Bleeter | also, there was some mention of spawn point changes |
| 10:42.59 | Bleeter | but can't recall that in the notes |
| 10:43.11 | nevcairiel | you only spawn in your cave if its the last place left |
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| 10:46.47 | Bleeter | truly, the worst game of AV I've ever played |
| 10:47.57 | Industrial | um |
| 10:48.08 | Industrial | will a frame watch for events if its hidden? --^ |
| 10:48.11 | Industrial | i totally forgot |
| 10:48.20 | Industrial | Bleeter: I dont do ptr |
| 10:49.08 | Bleeter | Industrial: this was on live... I ain't played AV on PTR.. might try it |
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| 11:03.09 | Industrial | FrameXML/SecureTemplates.lua:66:attempt to call method 'GetAttribute' (a nil value) |
| 11:03.13 | Industrial | errr |
| 11:03.19 | art3mis | sweet |
| 11:03.20 | Industrial | (because of RegisterUnitWatch(frame) |
| 11:03.26 | art3mis | wierd al is gonna be here next month |
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| 11:17.16 | Industrial | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/eb34da4c64bf565370392b99e1284b7f.jpg |
| 11:17.35 | Industrial | yarly. |
| 11:20.29 | [dRaCo] | ... no names at all? |
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| 11:23.04 | Industrial | soon, padawan. patience you must have. |
| 11:24.47 | Abyissviper | -_- so tired... been yp for 49 hours straight... |
| 11:24.54 | Abyissviper | ip* |
| 11:24.59 | Abyissviper | up******* |
| 11:25.14 | Industrial | Abyissviper: ... why? |
| 11:25.36 | Abyissviper | why else? playing WoW the entire time |
| 11:25.36 | Industrial | lol, I read assviper |
| 11:25.42 | Industrial | xD |
| 11:26.24 | Industrial | [dRaCo]: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/0252f5a198a314305fc000d4813296ba.jpg |
| 11:26.35 | [dRaCo] | better ;) |
| 11:27.24 | [dRaCo] | too minimalistic for me, though |
| 11:28.10 | Abyissviper | im gonna get back on and play for awhile -_. |
| 11:28.36 | [dRaCo] | sleeping might be the better choice |
| 11:29.52 | Industrial | I might ditch the hp/mp values, or only show them on hover |
| 11:29.52 | Industrial | :P |
| 11:30.08 | [dRaCo] | where's the chat? |
| 11:30.12 | [dRaCo] | the minimap? |
| 11:30.13 | Industrial | bottomleft |
| 11:30.19 | Industrial | shift-g |
| 11:30.36 | Industrial | I know where I am.. |
| 11:30.38 | Industrial | ;P |
| 11:31.03 | [dRaCo] | yeah, but sucks for mining/herbalism |
| 11:31.45 | Industrial | can turn it on when doing that, and go on mining/herbalism searches. I'm leveling now |
| 11:33.57 | Bleeter | man, can't really wait to get Wrath... beating up Azeroth Capitals will be even easier lol |
| 11:34.29 | zenzelezz | Wrath? |
| 11:34.53 | [dRaCo] | that thingy druids cast when their pewpew is broken |
| 11:34.56 | Bleeter | ... of the lich king |
| 11:35.09 | Bleeter | sorry for my brevity.. am beating up/being beaten on by guards |
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| 11:47.56 | Bleeter | the paedophilia promotion on PTR's /trade is highly disturbing |
| 11:48.34 | [dRaCo] | ? |
| 11:49.08 | Bleeter | 'wtb pics of baby porn' and stuff |
| 11:49.22 | Bleeter | i'll spare you some of the gorier details |
| 11:49.44 | [dRaCo] | o0 |
| 11:50.09 | Bleeter | needless to say, recall what happened when Yahoo tried to claim the defense of 'but we SAY our chatrooms are un-monitored' |
| 11:50.32 | Bleeter | ie, very nasty letter from various law enforcement authorities |
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| 11:51.00 | [dRaCo] | yeah, might get nasty |
| 11:51.20 | Bleeter | easiest thing for Blizz to do would just be turn off /trade on PTR |
| 11:51.53 | Bleeter | 'coz ultimately, they are responsible for it's content, even if it's not monitored |
| 11:52.13 | [dRaCo] | add a 10 sec lag to chat to check it for illegal stuff! |
| 11:52.17 | art3mis | yay |
| 11:52.30 | Bleeter | meh, personally |
| 11:52.32 | art3mis | thought "i have nothing to do today ill just stay up late" |
| 11:52.40 | art3mis | but nooooOOOOOooo |
| 11:52.50 | Bleeter | I'd employ someone to monitor PTR chat channel, and kickban accounts who were even 'joiking' about kiddie porn |
| 11:52.52 | art3mis | it occurrs to me that today is stupidly busy |
| 11:52.59 | Bleeter | (I don't beleive one can really joke about that kinda stuff) |
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| 11:53.47 | Bleeter | and I mean, ban outright from Live, too |
| 11:53.53 | [dRaCo] | yeah |
| 11:54.02 | [dRaCo] | would be the best for their rep |
| 11:54.45 | Bleeter | someone could get real nasty with them.. I mean, there's 'unmonitored' and 'unrestricted'. Surely some level of ... decency would be expected by Blizz |
| 12:03.26 | Bleeter | art3mis: today was meant to be stupidly busy for me... managed to avoid it by being ill and convincing myself that 'one more SL run won't kill me' :/ |
| 12:04.41 | Bleeter | [dRaCo]: heh, one of the baby porn wtb folks is now crying that a GM deleted their lock... I guess they're watching somewhere |
| 12:05.24 | zenzelezz | might have just been reported? |
| 12:10.06 | Bleeter | didn't think there were GM's on PTR, only sysadmin types |
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| 12:15.55 | zenzelezz | could be, I've never been on the PTR |
| 12:23.20 | Bleeter | zenzelezz: it's pretty wild west kinda stuff |
| 12:23.29 | art3mis | wild west? |
| 12:23.42 | art3mis | you mea its an active game of hammer tag in which everyone thinks they're it |
| 12:24.14 | Bleeter | not quite 100% sure that I know what you mean, but yeah... I think so. |
| 12:24.24 | art3mis | well think about it |
| 12:24.32 | art3mis | hammer tag == i tag you with a hammer |
| 12:24.37 | art3mis | everyone has hammers |
| 12:24.43 | art3mis | and tags everyone else |
| 12:24.48 | Bleeter | it's the added layer of anonymity -> (1) from RL (2) from your guild, friends and colleagues |
| 12:25.15 | art3mis | it's like the special olympics members with nail guns and no adult supervision |
| 12:25.34 | Bleeter | imagine if we all up and left from this #, got on a new IRC server, totally new nicks. We could get as nasty about everyone's mods as we liked ;) |
| 12:25.46 | Industrial | I want to make an OnUpdate manager for timers. |
| 12:25.52 | art3mis | we'd need to move for that to happen? |
| 12:26.22 | art3mis | of course that does explain why i keep needing a new guild ;P |
| 12:33.21 | Industrial | wtb Logout Now button |
| 12:35.04 | art3mis | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:35.37 | art3mis | actually there was a macro for it |
| 12:35.51 | art3mis | so it would quick drop regardless of where you were lemme see if i can find it |
| 12:36.02 | Industrial | no, i want to log out. |
| 12:38.39 | Industrial | haste: hehe @ unitframes :> http://images.gammatester.com/pics/4ffa5568eb688f06f9ba148a50656d30.jpg |
| 12:38.49 | Industrial | btw yes 32g. |
| 12:40.35 | End | wait, what, thorium is a real element? :-O |
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| 12:44.50 | zenzelezz | yes |
| 12:45.25 | art3mis | meh cant find it |
| 12:47.45 | amro | art3mis: what do you mean by drop? you're always connected for those 20 seconds even if you crash |
| 12:48.13 | Bleeter | heh, some hordie's found and exploit spot in the war room in IF |
| 12:48.31 | Bleeter | keeps seed of curruptioning the batttlemasters who can't path to him |
| 12:49.00 | amro | lame, should go for a frontal assault |
| 12:49.08 | amro | we downed magni once |
| 12:49.29 | Bleeter | they did go the frontal... and wiped |
| 12:49.44 | Bleeter | but yeah, the recess up behind the plane launcher |
| 12:50.03 | Bleeter | somehow a lock's managed to get up there... I can get onto the plane launcher, be stuffed if I can work out how to get further |
| 12:50.08 | amro | but shouldn't the evade if they can't find a path? |
| 12:50.16 | amro | they* |
| 12:50.37 | Bleeter | they are |
| 12:50.57 | Bleeter | but this lock's SoC players too, who blow up, etc. guards can't do anything |
| 12:51.11 | Bleeter | ahh, think I just worked it out |
| 12:52.11 | End | the battlemaster room is the most useful place to do that sort of thing...that's where the most pvp-enabled players will be |
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| 12:54.32 | Bleeter | oh yeah, have no problem with this going on in the BM room.. just that it's possible the location they're casting from is 'out of bounds' so to speak ;) |
| 12:55.44 | art3mis | amro: there was a macro you could do to quick logout, like you do in cities, except it functioned everywhere |
| 12:56.18 | art3mis | not shut down btw, actually logout back to the character screen |
| 12:56.25 | amro | oh |
| 12:56.37 | End | Are you sure that still works? |
| 12:56.45 | amro | but your character probably sits in the gameworld for 20sec |
| 12:56.49 | End | I tried calling the specific function and it gave an error message. |
| 12:57.06 | End | (something to do with it being disabled or something) |
| 12:57.48 | End | I tried this a while ago though... |
| 12:58.58 | art3mis | no im not sure it does |
| 12:59.08 | art3mis | largely due to the fact i cant even remember what the macro was ;P |
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| 12:59.53 | art3mis | whats rtfpn ? |
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| 13:00.00 | Beladona | not sure but it was there before |
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| 13:00.13 | Beladona | so I left it |
| 13:00.17 | art3mis | madness! |
| 13:00.39 | art3mis | ya know you'd have more topic room if you tinyurl'd those two urls |
| 13:00.40 | End | I think they want you to read thepatch notes. :P |
| 13:00.45 | art3mis | ahh |
| 13:00.47 | art3mis | thanks |
| 13:00.47 | Beladona | meh |
| 13:00.54 | art3mis | the pn part was bugging me the last few days |
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| 13:01.17 | art3mis | sidb! |
| 13:01.24 | art3mis | suck it douche bag ;P |
| 13:01.33 | Beladona | that or we could just put a link as the topic and link it to wowinterface. then have a post at wowinterface that has the actual info we want to convey |
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| 13:06.08 | art3mis | thats madness too |
| 13:06.15 | art3mis | you've gone crazy bela |
| 13:06.33 | art3mis | im going o reccomend upping your dosage |
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| 13:12.45 | dieck | hi! I'm just preparing my ag unitframes for our first attempt on Gruul tomorrow - is there any way to tell aguf to show 25 persons? or do I have to search 25 people willing to hang out in a raid until I configured my frames? :) |
| 13:15.26 | JoshBorke | use something designed for raiding imho ;-P |
| 13:15.57 | [Ammo] | agUF works fine for raiding and is designed for it |
| 13:16.13 | JoshBorke | lies, it's a general UF! |
| 13:16.25 | [Ammo] | which happens to have excellent raiding support |
| 13:16.30 | [Ammo] | but enter an AV |
| 13:16.34 | [Ammo] | and you're done basically :) |
| 13:17.05 | [Ammo] | however, like joshborke pointed out there are raid specific things |
| 13:17.10 | [Ammo] | I myself use PerfectRaid |
| 13:17.16 | [Ammo] | but there are others, like Grid for instance |
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| 13:18.33 | Industrial | um |
| 13:18.43 | Industrial | whats the difference between time() and GetTime() ? |
| 13:18.49 | Industrial | local/server time? |
| 13:19.11 | [dRaCo] | GetTime is your pc's uptime in ticks |
| 13:19.11 | Wobin | different return? |
| 13:19.16 | Industrial | yes |
| 13:19.19 | dieck | hm, I tried Grid and though it's designed for healers, I don't like it ;) |
| 13:19.26 | Wobin | Grid + Clique |
| 13:19.41 | dieck | and I know agUF works good for raiding, I already use it in karazhan |
| 13:19.46 | Industrial | so I can use either one in a timer? |
| 13:19.52 | Industrial | guess so |
| 13:19.52 | Wobin | yeah |
| 13:19.59 | Wobin | as long as you use the same one =P |
| 13:20.14 | dieck | but I wanted to configure it for 25 people, adjusting the frames and so on, and I haven't found an idea how to do this without inviting 24 other ppl :) |
| 13:20.28 | [dRaCo] | AV |
| 13:20.45 | dieck | hm, ok, that would work I suppose :) |
| 13:22.08 | JoshBorke | GetTime is not your uptime, it's your system time |
| 13:22.44 | End | JoshBorke: are you sure? |
| 13:22.49 | End | if so, please update wowwiki |
| 13:22.57 | [dRaCo] | yeah, JoshBorke, you sure? |
| 13:23.13 | End | and what platform do you use? |
| 13:23.15 | JoshBorke | well i thought it was :-/ |
| 13:23.23 | JoshBorke | dangit, i always get confused |
| 13:23.49 | Industrial | hmm, I want to do something like schdules = {[112893] = {func1,func2,func3}} so when I have more then one func at the same time it will do them in the same OnUpdate loop, but how do I check for only the first numerical key in schedules? not schedules[1] obviously :P |
| 13:23.51 | End | it's possible the Mac vs. Windows implementation might be different |
| 13:24.14 | Industrial | the key would be the next execution time, and i'd run it against the current time every update |
| 13:24.16 | JoshBorke | Industrial: what? |
| 13:25.03 | JoshBorke | making a timer implementation? |
| 13:25.09 | Industrial | JoshBorke: I dont want to do one function per onupdate in my schedules |
| 13:25.09 | Industrial | yes |
| 13:25.22 | Industrial | I read the dongle one but dont really udnerstand it |
| 13:25.26 | End | Industrial: you'd have to do a linear search, or change your data structure. |
| 13:25.39 | End | because it'll be hashed, it won't be ordered |
| 13:25.47 | End | otherwise you could use next() |
| 13:26.09 | End | (which returns the first value, but who knows what that'll be in a hash...) |
| 13:26.44 | clad|sleep | read up on a heap |
| 13:26.49 | Industrial | bah but if i'd use schedules = {[1] = {func=<func>,time=123356}} i'd still have to check all the times |
| 13:26.57 | Cidan | OMG ITS CLADHAIRE |
| 13:27.06 | cladhaire | the heap implementation in dongle is really simple |
| 13:27.14 | Industrial | Cidan: like a sissy or more like.. frightened? |
| 13:27.21 | End | A heap would indeed do what you need, now that I think about it. |
| 13:27.28 | Cidan | hmm |
| 13:27.30 | Cidan | both? |
| 13:28.47 | Industrial | wikibooks to the resque |
| 13:30.22 | cladhaire | with a heap, you still have to check to make sure the _next_ element hasn't expired as well, but once you're done checking that, you're done. |
| 13:40.02 | cladhaire | Industrial: the simplest implementation, is to table.insert() the schedule into an array, with the time to execute as the key, and on insert, sort the table. |
| 13:40.11 | cladhaire | OnUpdate, check the first element of the tbale, if it hasn't expired, nothing has |
| 13:40.34 | cladhaire | When it has, remove it from the table, check the next one, and repeat |
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| 13:42.05 | Cidan | hmm |
| 13:42.07 | Cidan | that's a good idea |
| 13:43.22 | Industrial | cladhaire: im already cooking something up =D |
| 13:43.54 | TS|Skrom | I hope it's cookies |
| 13:43.58 | cladhaire | Cidan: it gets extremely expensive when doing repeating schedules, since both insert and remove are expensive in that situation |
| 13:44.32 | cladhaire | the heap is log(n) for insert, remove, and re-sifting the heap is cheap as well |
| 13:45.40 | Cidan | hmm, yeah, considering you would need to re-sort on every run |
| 13:46.03 | Cidan | and if the table is large and you execute something several times a second |
| 13:46.05 | Cidan | :/ |
| 13:46.23 | Cidan | :| |
| 13:46.25 | Cidan | :\ |
| 13:46.33 | Industrial | hope im right on this; http://pastey.net/72174 |
| 13:46.51 | TS|Skrom | *sigh* not cookies |
| 13:46.57 | Industrial | haha |
| 13:48.06 | Industrial | oh, that doesnt account for the length until the next update |
| 13:48.25 | Industrial | expects at the point it gets inserted in schedules that it will be the latest |
| 13:48.28 | Industrial | darn :| |
| 13:48.42 | cladhaire | you need to sort |
| 13:49.23 | Industrial | how/when? (edit the pastey :D) |
| 13:49.39 | cladhaire | after your insert in CreateSchedule |
| 13:49.42 | cladhaire | bah |
| 13:49.43 | cladhaire | one moment |
| 13:51.29 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Lopeppeppy (n=Lopeppep@cpe-72-230-32-5.nycap.res.rr.com) |
| 13:51.31 | Industrial | but also after i insert it at the end again, right? |
| 13:51.47 | Industrial | or, I wouldnt have to remove/insert it but ust sort |
| 13:51.51 | cladhaire | http://pastey.net/72175 |
| 13:51.52 | Industrial | but just* |
| 13:51.57 | cladhaire | yes, the last |
| 13:52.11 | Industrial | Lopeppeppy: lol. |
| 13:52.17 | cladhaire | Industrial: http://pastey.net/72176 |
| 13:52.25 | cladhaire | give or take |
| 13:52.26 | Lopeppeppy | Way to wake me up, Industrial. Thanks. ;) |
| 13:52.57 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Legorolo (n=Legorol@tcmpc43.phy.cam.ac.uk) |
| 13:53.13 | Industrial | cladhaire: thanks! |
| 13:53.18 | End | Lopeppeppy: talking about data structures :P |
| 13:53.18 | Industrial | Lopeppeppy: np! |
| 13:54.38 | cladhaire | you might have been talking about data structures, but I was talking about dirty dirty sex |
| 13:55.38 | [dRaCo] | yay! |
| 13:55.43 | End | I thought data structures was an euphemism for dirty dirty sex... |
| 13:55.47 | Legorolo | but data structures > dirty sex :P |
| 13:55.54 | [dRaCo] | nerd! |
| 13:55.59 | Lopeppeppy | Why not both, Legorolo? |
| 13:55.59 | Legorolo | yes, yes iam |
| 13:56.07 | Legorolo | hey baby, bring on that linked list! oh yeah |
| 13:56.12 | [dRaCo] | dirty sex with data structures? |
| 13:56.16 | Legorolo | Lopeppeppy: very true |
| 13:56.38 | cladhaire | Legorolo: you should know that a doubly linked list > linked list :P |
| 13:56.42 | Lopeppeppy | Any "either/or" question deserves to be answered with a "yes". |
| 13:56.55 | Legorolo | btw, how many guilds are there that have one-tapped Nefarian on their first ever attempt? :o) |
| 13:57.03 | cogwheel | hence my belief that we need to have xor in English |
| 13:57.04 | [dRaCo] | man or woman? :Ă¾ |
| 13:57.11 | Legorolo | cogwheel: rofl |
| 13:57.15 | JoshBorke | Legorolo: lvl 60 or no? ;-P |
| 13:57.16 | Legorolo | morning btw to everyone |
| 13:57.24 | Legorolo | JoshBorke: ok so i cheat, L70 |
| 13:57.27 | nevcairiel | is there no term for xor in english ? :P |
| 13:57.35 | Legorolo | we had a retro-raid last night, took our guild into BWL |
| 13:57.42 | Legorolo | we never got to see it past Broodlord back in the days |
| 13:57.53 | Kyahx | Full raid? or 25? |
| 13:58.00 | Lopeppeppy | I've been waltzing through Strat and Scholo this last week, farming shards to level my enchanting. |
| 13:58.01 | Legorolo | it was absolutely fantabulous event, everyone enjoyed themselves, we went with 26-28 throughout |
| 13:58.06 | Kyahx | Ah |
| 13:58.13 | Kyahx | We went and 12 mannged razergore a few weeks ago |
| 13:58.14 | Legorolo | it still wasn't trivial, we wiped once |
| 13:58.15 | Kyahx | that was fun |
| 13:58.26 | nevcairiel | wipe on what ? :) |
| 13:58.32 | cogwheel | is it possible to get a stack trace when an addon is blocked from a protected action? |
| 13:58.38 | End | man, bwl, does that bring back memories |
| 13:58.39 | Legorolo | what's the first of the three mini-dragons? |
| 13:58.42 | Legorolo | Flamegore? |
| 13:58.45 | nevcairiel | firemaw |
| 13:58.49 | Legorolo | Firemaw then |
| 13:58.56 | Legorolo | we wiped on him, because MT thought he can get away with no FR |
| 13:58.57 | cladhaire | cogwheel: no, the stack is unwound when you are notified of the error |
| 13:58.57 | nevcairiel | he can be a bitch |
| 13:58.58 | End | cogwheel: yes, there's an event, and I believe you get do debugstack() there to get what you need? |
| 13:59.01 | cladhaire | cause its done by event |
| 13:59.10 | cladhaire | End: the stack is already unwound, if you're receiving the event |
| 13:59.10 | End | I thought you could... |
| 13:59.13 | Legorolo | but then we put me in MT spot with FR on, and it went smoothly |
| 13:59.29 | Bleeter | oO Legorolo has gained an O! |
| 13:59.34 | Legorolo | hehe |
| 13:59.35 | cladhaire | End: The UI is single threaded |
| 13:59.38 | cladhaire | if an event is thrown |
| 13:59.42 | Bleeter | at this rate, in a year's time, he'll be Legorolooooo |
| 13:59.45 | cladhaire | your code is no longer running, thus you can't get a stack trace |
| 13:59.55 | Legorolo | Bleeter: that's because i'm logged in from alternate location |
| 14:00.04 | End | cladhaire: it could just dump more onto the stack... |
| 14:00.08 | Legorolo | this machine is set up to log in as Legorolo, not to conflict with Legorol, should he be logged in on my desktop |
| 14:00.10 | Bleeter | Legorolo: which planet this week? |
| 14:00.11 | End | some events are done exactly that way |
| 14:00.16 | Legorolo | Mercury |
| 14:00.23 | cladhaire | End: Then it's worth trying :P |
| 14:00.27 | Cidan | Aww, I was hoping for Pluto. |
| 14:00.27 | Legorolo | bit hot here in the summer |
| 14:00.33 | Cidan | It gets less love now-a-days |
| 14:00.35 | Legorolo | nah, Pluto is not even a planet |
| 14:00.40 | Bleeter | hope you've got your thermals |
| 14:00.43 | cladhaire | End: you may be correct ;-) |
| 14:00.46 | Bleeter | only way you'd survive ;) |
| 14:00.49 | Cidan | Pluto will always be a planet in my eyes. :( |
| 14:00.54 | End | I think I am *wink* |
| 14:00.55 | End | oh |
| 14:00.56 | cladhaire | Its 17 in Oxford |
| 14:00.57 | End | I know which |
| 14:00.59 | Bleeter | Pluto's a bloody dog, end of story! |
| 14:01.00 | End | the map change events |
| 14:01.02 | cladhaire | I don't know how warm that is =/ |
| 14:01.03 | Legorolo | Bleeter: I put them on at night, when the temperature drops by about 500 degrees |
| 14:01.05 | cladhaire | but i'm working on it |
| 14:01.17 | End | if you change which map you are viewing the world map, it sends an event IMMEDIATELY |
| 14:01.24 | Lopeppeppy | "What will it effect, when all is done?" thinks Major Tom. |
| 14:01.33 | Legorolo | cladhaire: you will come to love to hate English weather |
| 14:01.51 | Legorolo | it's not cold enough in the winter for peole to put heating on, so it ends up colder than in colder countries which do heat their houses |
| 14:01.55 | Bleeter | Legorolo: curiously, same holds true for Irish, Scottish and Welsh weather =)) |
| 14:02.05 | Legorolo | sorry, should've said British |
| 14:02.17 | End | cogwheel: anyways, try a debugstack() in ADDON_BLOCKED_THINGY or whatever it is called |
| 14:02.17 | Legorolo | or, to be more precise: the weather of the United Kingdoms and Channel Isles |
| 14:02.36 | Bleeter | ooh, to an Irish Republican dem's fightin' words! |
| 14:02.43 | Legorolo | hehe |
| 14:02.45 | cladhaire | lol |
| 14:02.58 | Cidan | oh that's right cladhaire |
| 14:03.04 | Cidan | you moved -------------------------> that way |
| 14:03.08 | cladhaire | not yet |
| 14:03.09 | Cidan | way way that way |
| 14:03.10 | Cidan | oh |
| 14:03.14 | Cidan | When is the move? |
| 14:03.16 | Lopeppeppy | One day soonish-som. |
| 14:03.22 | cladhaire | 39 days, 20 hours. |
| 14:03.23 | Legorolo | but he will, and then he will suffer, muhahaha |
| 14:03.29 | Cidan | lol |
| 14:03.50 | Legorolo | i'm just worried as he'll be lot closer to me |
| 14:03.58 | Legorolo | what if cladhaire decides to visit? |
| 14:04.01 | Cidan | One day, I hope to follow. I want to see other parts of the world. |
| 14:04.11 | Legorolo | i thought you typod "caches" |
| 14:04.13 | Legorolo | sorry, too nerdy |
| 14:04.15 | cladhaire | Legorolo: Kirkburn already invited me into his hometown |
| 14:04.23 | cladhaire | :P |
| 14:04.29 | Legorolo | oooh, maybe we can have a meetup on this side of the pond |
| 14:04.40 | Legorolo | to make up for lack of Blizzcon attendance |
| 14:04.59 | cladhaire | I'm sure we can arrange that |
| 14:05.02 | cladhaire | make Cide come as well |
| 14:05.03 | End | cogwheel: http://wow.pastey.net/72177 |
| 14:05.23 | End | cogwheel: I made some modifications to BlockedActionReporter a while ago. |
| 14:05.43 | End | (and ugh, the identation is all weird) |
| 14:05.56 | Legorolo | cogwheel: i thought about your example of teh NUM_PAGED_ACTIONBARS for tainting, and i actually think it's more instructive if you assign a number to it |
| 14:06.00 | Legorolo | rather than NPA = NPA |
| 14:06.26 | Legorolo | reaso is that the latter is a bit... wierd and shocking, if you are not a 1337 coder |
| 14:06.42 | Legorolo | bear in mind that many beginners can confuse = with == |
| 14:06.50 | Legorolo | but maybe it's irrelevant |
| 14:07.17 | cogwheel | I'm pretty explicit about what happens in it... I like that it shows something that might be unexpected at first |
| 14:07.18 | Legorolo | speaking of 1337, one of our druids proudly reported that his plus healing is exactly 1337 |
| 14:07.22 | Legorolo | that was fairly funny |
| 14:07.35 | Legorolo | cogwheel: fair enough |
| 14:07.47 | Industrial | cladhaire: cool, it works, i think. |
| 14:08.13 | Legorolo | you guys tried voice chat on PTR? |
| 14:08.22 | Industrial | thus my lib so far :) http://pastey.net/72178 |
| 14:08.26 | End | I tried it before it was completely in :P |
| 14:08.28 | Legorolo | i'm fairly impressed with how well it's working already, and i'm sure they'll iron out the kinks |
| 14:08.33 | Bleeter | Legorolo: nope, it's still teh fail on WIne 0.9.42 :(... gotta build .43 this week ;) |
| 14:08.37 | cladhaire | Legorolo: i actually made videos |
| 14:08.40 | cladhaire | and i like the way they did it |
| 14:08.46 | Legorolo | yes i like it too |
| 14:09.06 | Legorolo | and, as an aside, it brings the first UI element (outside of raids) that is movable in the default UI |
| 14:09.20 | Lopeppeppy | I guess I need to download the PTR client and check it out before it happens to me. |
| 14:09.37 | Bleeter | had a quick play on Win32, seemed OK... but maybe it's my #pidgin experience that makes me think it's kinda... lacking. I should play some more. |
| 14:09.56 | Bleeter | but then again, I think quite a bit of the chat/friends stuff is lacking. |
| 14:09.57 | Legorolo | the sound muting is done very smartly actually, it mutes game sound both on incoming voice, and when you speak |
| 14:10.03 | Legorolo | i like that |
| 14:10.17 | cladhaire | i agree |
| 14:10.22 | cladhaire | i've been waiting for a feature like that |
| 14:10.27 | Legorolo | Bleeter: they are adding a lot of GUI to the chat channel stuff, which until now was purely slash-based |
| 14:10.37 | Legorolo | because of the voice chat, the whole new chat channel GUI is quite a good idea |
| 14:10.38 | End | is it a complete mute? or does it just lower the volume of game sounds? |
| 14:10.46 | Legorolo | you can set how much it lowers! |
| 14:10.50 | End | oh cool |
| 14:10.52 | Legorolo | zomg, blizz actually put in options |
| 14:10.57 | Lopeppeppy | No wai. |
| 14:10.58 | End | ok, because lightly muted is a good thing :P |
| 14:11.00 | Legorolo | in fact you can set it separately for sound, music and ambience |
| 14:11.10 | Legorolo | slider between 0-100 |
| 14:11.20 | nevcairiel | can i set voice on another sound card? |
| 14:11.23 | Legorolo | yes |
| 14:11.27 | nevcairiel | cool |
| 14:11.40 | Legorolo | you can set: wow sounds on one output, voice on another output, and microphone on a third input |
| 14:11.42 | Legorolo | if you want to |
| 14:11.54 | Legorolo | again, zomg, options! |
| 14:12.07 | Legorolo | they seem to have thought this one through for once |
| 14:12.16 | End | jeez :P |
| 14:12.18 | End | nice :P |
| 14:12.26 | Legorolo | unlike the LFG tool, which was fairly botched in terms of the UI, the voice settings and channel management UI is pretty neat so far |
| 14:12.37 | End | ugh we don't speak of lfg |
| 14:12.40 | End | ;p |
| 14:12.50 | Legorolo | well i think the idea of the tool was great |
| 14:12.54 | Legorolo | and it's a pity people don't use it mroe |
| 14:13.01 | Bleeter | Legorolo: until the time that for my priest, I can set who can randomly invite me to groups (guildies, specific friends, non-saved friends from specific guilds), I'll still claim that it's fairly sucky. Hell, MSN and YIM have better privacy than WoW ;) :P |
| 14:13.03 | End | the design is lacking |
| 14:13.03 | Legorolo | it was just done poorly in many respects |
| 14:13.16 | End | it's a needed tool, but it wasn't done very well |
| 14:13.23 | Legorolo | exactly |
| 14:13.40 | Bleeter | and to say that MSN and YIM are better than something else, is a pretty nasty put down for that something else ;) |
| 14:13.41 | Legorolo | my favoured solution would be a "board" type thing, where you can set an advertisement |
| 14:13.46 | Legorolo | which is searchable |
| 14:13.57 | Legorolo | just a simple, long list with all the adverts |
| 14:14.03 | Legorolo | you can't spam it like the LFG channel, |
| 14:14.08 | Legorolo | and you can change your advert any time you like |
| 14:14.14 | End | I think that'd work a lot better |
| 14:14.17 | Bleeter | yes, public noticeboard would be nice |
| 14:14.38 | Lopeppeppy | I love that LFG won't let me look for a Slave Pens, but lets me look for Underbog. |
| 14:14.40 | Legorolo | the advantage over LFG channel is lack of spam, advantage over the tool is you can set any text |
| 14:15.05 | Legorolo | and for those that are just browsing, you can just skim the list or filter it |
| 14:15.16 | Legorolo | presumably the problem would be the bandwidth required to refresh the list |
| 14:15.32 | Legorolo | i know the lfg tool is broken down in categories the way it is in order to reduce bandwidth use |
| 14:15.54 | Legorolo | oth, the bandwidth used by a noticeboard wouldn't be bigger than the bandwidth used by spamming LFG channel, if done correctly |
| 14:16.46 | Legorolo | Lopeppeppy: at 70 are you sure you want to do underbog |
| 14:16.52 | Legorolo | and if you mean heroics, then it lets you look for both |
| 14:17.05 | Legorolo | bleh, i meant are you sure you want to do slave pens |
| 14:17.10 | Lopeppeppy | No. I want to do regular Slave Pens to finish a freakin' quest. :) But it's not in the LFG selection list. |
| 14:17.13 | End | why underbog though ;p |
| 14:17.19 | Bleeter | dunno what the auction house bandwidth load is like, but I can't imagine it'd be nastier than peak population time with a good number of folks using auctioneer to scan. |
| 14:17.22 | Legorolo | you can finish the quest on heroic |
| 14:17.23 | Legorolo | ;-) |
| 14:17.26 | Lopeppeppy | And I can't do Heroics yet, I need rep, hence I want to do the frakkin' quest.... |
| 14:17.35 | Lopeppeppy | Big circle-jerk. |
| 14:17.36 | End | lol |
| 14:17.40 | Legorolo | that's a fair point |
| 14:17.45 | End | yeah, it is |
| 14:17.47 | Legorolo | then join LFG channel and spam :D |
| 14:17.52 | Bleeter | hah |
| 14:17.55 | End | lol :( |
| 14:18.07 | Bleeter | meh, just do what everyone else does... spam trade :P |
| 14:18.08 | Legorolo | i'm sure people would love you for it if as a 70 you offered to pull them through SP |
| 14:18.09 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah... that's gotten me precisely no where. "Why does a level 70 pally want to heal a lowbie instance? Go away." |
| 14:18.14 | Legorolo | no don't spam trade |
| 14:18.23 | Legorolo | my hair stands on my back when i see people using Trade for LFg |
| 14:18.27 | Legorolo | i really hate that |
| 14:18.35 | Legorolo | there is a friggin LFG channel now, how hard is it to spam that instead |
| 14:18.42 | Legorolo | a channel which anyone can join any time they want |
| 14:18.46 | Bleeter | same, I was being stupid... I think most people involved in this convo realise how annoying that is ;) |
| 14:18.58 | Legorolo | ok |
| 14:19.02 | Legorolo | sorry for the vent |
| 14:19.08 | Bleeter | no probs |
| 14:19.19 | End | it's pretty common though |
| 14:19.21 | TS|Skrom | man what is wrong with me today. I can't get my php install to work right >< |
| 14:19.27 | Legorolo | i can sort of understand folks spamming guild recruitment (although i still dislike it) |
| 14:19.33 | Legorolo | but there is no justifiable reason to spam LFG in Trade |
| 14:20.00 | Legorolo | the only reason is laziness in general |
| 14:20.07 | Legorolo | people don't *bother* joining LFG channel, |
| 14:20.08 | TS|Skrom | tyty |
| 14:20.13 | Legorolo | so the population count in that channel is too low |
| 14:20.32 | Bleeter | Legorolo: at a stretch, one might be looking for a crafter to join a party to down a boss who drops a recipe for an item one wants crafted.. but it's a stretch |
| 14:20.48 | End | that's quite a stretch |
| 14:20.50 | Legorolo | that i'd accept as a genuine trade request |
| 14:20.54 | Legorolo | and it's a stretch ;-) |
| 14:21.03 | Lopeppeppy | I've seen people who will ask in the area's General channel, which gets quite a bit more utility in grouping on my server. |
| 14:21.11 | Legorolo | my other pet peeve is people discussing PvP over General |
| 14:21.13 | TS|Skrom | Mr Fantastic: Yeah, that's a stretch and believe me, I know stretches |
| 14:21.18 | Legorolo | there is a friggin LocalDefense, how hard is it to use it |
| 14:21.25 | Legorolo | same zone-global channel, use it for ffs |
| 14:21.46 | End | I haven't seen anyone use LocalDefense since the honor system came out |
| 14:22.00 | Legorolo | on my realm, fortunately, people are using it for Halaa somewhat |
| 14:22.05 | End | and that was right when it came out |
| 14:22.08 | Legorolo | at least when i'm involved, because i usher everyone in there :o) |
| 14:22.15 | Lopeppeppy | Yup. The few high-rankers on my server really-really ruined it by using it as a chat channel and driving everyone off it. |
| 14:22.21 | TS|Skrom | Anyone know why I'd be getting this: PHP has encountered an Access Violation |
| 14:22.29 | TS|Skrom | followed by a memory address? |
| 14:22.31 | Legorolo | when i'm organising Halaa raids, i refuse to acknowledge/invite people until they ask in LocalDefense instead of General |
| 14:22.41 | Legorolo | if they ask in General, i tell them to repeat it in LocalDefense |
| 14:22.46 | End | TS|Skrom: PANIC?!?!?!?! |
| 14:22.53 | Bleeter | TS|Skrom: scratching my memory, it might be a memory setting in your php.ini |
| 14:23.04 | End | I like my answer better. |
| 14:23.12 | Bleeter | I don't |
| 14:23.15 | Bleeter | DONT PANIC!!! |
| 14:23.22 | End | Yeah, well, your answer smells funny. |
| 14:23.43 | Legorolo | anyway, sorry for the rants |
| 14:23.45 | Bleeter | The DONT PANIC!!!? it's highly unoriginal |
| 14:23.49 | Lopeppeppy | The "Don't Panic" on the Hitchhiker's Guide is in fact, the most important part of the Guide. |
| 14:23.50 | Legorolo | so anything interesting happenig in Lua-land? |
| 14:24.05 | End | well, I made up a little Lua-dance |
| 14:24.09 | End | ok, maybe not really |
| 14:24.23 | TS|Skrom | Has anyone done WoW-Sudoku yet? |
| 14:24.30 | End | probably |
| 14:24.34 | [Ammo] | I thought I saw something a while back |
| 14:24.45 | TS|Skrom | for some reason I had an intense desire to see that come to fruition last night while lying in bed trying to sleep |
| 14:24.46 | deltron | don't forget about bringing your towel Lopeppeppy |
| 14:24.56 | Bleeter | Legorolo: someone posted an instant crash code snippet a little while ago (taking Lua interpreter out instantly closing WoW)... though I'm so noob here that's prolly old news ;) |
| 14:24.59 | End | and your peril sensitive sun glasses! |
| 14:25.31 | Lopeppeppy | Babel-fish. |
| 14:25.32 | End | actually, I guess "sun" doesn't belong. |
| 14:25.35 | Bleeter | Joo Janta 200 Super-Chromatic Peril Sensitive Sunglasses |
| 14:25.44 | Lopeppeppy | Sun always belongs.... *quiet smile* |
| 14:25.44 | JoshBorke | it was shirik and it had something to do with coroutines |
| 14:25.58 | End | although they probbably refer to them as sunglasses |
| 14:26.06 | End | probabbbbbbabbbly |
| 14:26.26 | Legorolo | Bleeter: yeah i saw that crash-code and it's very very cool |
| 14:26.31 | Legorolo | not even a send error report window |
| 14:26.37 | Legorolo | it's the true "zomg Boss is here" solution |
| 14:26.56 | Legorolo | does anyone remember the old DOS games where hitting Esc would pause the game and display C:> |
| 14:27.04 | End | yeah, hehe |
| 14:27.46 | End | for some of them, the prompt was even the actual prompt or fake enough to pretend it was a real prompt :P |
| 14:27.58 | Bleeter | I cried when they removed the flight sim form Excel |
| 14:28.00 | Legorolo | yah they'd just fire up command.com |
| 14:28.11 | Legorolo | flight sim in Excel? O.O |
| 14:28.18 | Legorolo | which version! gief! |
| 14:28.39 | Bleeter | http://www.eeggs.com/items/29841.html |
| 14:28.42 | Bleeter | '97 |
| 14:28.56 | Bleeter | think it got removed in a release around ... 2000 or so |
| 14:30.22 | Legorolo | damn |
| 14:30.26 | Legorolo | i have office xp |
| 14:30.32 | Legorolo | that wont' work then will it |
| 14:30.53 | TS|Skrom | great... I switched to the CGI exe and am getting this now instead: The specified CGI application misbehaved by not returning a complete set of HTTP headers. |
| 14:31.04 | Bleeter | nope, you'll just have to scour the used computer stores to get a copy |
| 14:31.19 | Legorolo | or google the intarwebz |
| 14:31.20 | Lopeppeppy | "Misbehaved", TS|Skrom? Oh, that's precious. |
| 14:31.52 | TS|Skrom | IIS and it's lovely error messages |
| 14:32.04 | TS|Skrom | if it wasn't required for Outlook web access I'd toss apache on this server in a heartbeat |
| 14:32.05 | End | probably just need Content-Type:? |
| 14:32.19 | End | hmm |
| 14:32.28 | End | I've never dealt with php in cgi mode |
| 14:32.53 | Bleeter | TS|Skrom: check the paths in your php.ini, that they're using directories that are writable by the http user (upload_tmp_dir or session_save_path and others) |
| 14:33.59 | Bleeter | TS|Skrom: there's also http://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=35568 |
| 14:34.44 | Bleeter | seeing lots of references to 'should be fixed in php 5.1.2' :/ |
| 14:35.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Welcome to PHP? |
| 14:35.03 | TS|Skrom | yeah.. I did too |
| 14:35.03 | End | http://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=35568 |
| 14:35.04 | End | oops |
| 14:35.08 | End | stupid copy and paste |
| 14:35.09 | TS|Skrom | and that one is posted 2005 |
| 14:35.19 | TS|Skrom | so you'd think the new one that I downloaded 3 days ago would be fine |
| 14:36.42 | TS|Skrom | Never had so much trouble before >< |
| 14:36.58 | Bleeter | if you on a real system, I'd tell you to attach a trace or vendor supplied free debugger... but you're on Win32.. so... nyernyer! :P |
| 14:37.00 | TS|Skrom | First time I've set this up on win2k3 though so there's a first time for everything |
| 14:37.26 | ScytheBlade1 | My condolonces. |
| 14:38.02 | Bleeter | ok, I best head off to bed before I offend any other commercial software vendors this evening. gnight all, have a better one! :) |
| 14:38.12 | TS|Skrom | thanks for the link, amazingly that snapshot worked |
| 14:38.15 | Industrial | pet player target targettarget down-up. name now includes colored; offline, dead, partyleader (yellow *), pvp (red !), name (reaction-color) level. http://images.gammatester.com/pics/adb991489121df875747b2a5d51fdd7c.jpg |
| 14:38.20 | TS|Skrom | I wonder what I downloaded from php.net the other day >< |
| 14:38.23 | Industrial | did I firget something? |
| 14:38.31 | Bleeter | TS|Skrom: shit? :P |
| 14:38.36 | Industrial | pet happiness, target combopoints |
| 14:38.40 | Industrial | what else? |
| 14:38.55 | TS|Skrom | http://www.php.net/downloads.php hehe From that link I grabbed the 5.2.3 installer... O.o |
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| 14:40.35 | Cidan- | i herd u leik mudkipz? |
| 14:45.50 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Lunessa (n=chatzill@129.7.91.186) |
| 14:48.53 | Cidan- | Or not |
| 14:50.20 | Lopeppeppy | Just cookies, thanks. |
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| 14:53.00 | Cidan- | Okay guys, I have to make a choice and I need help. |
| 14:53.10 | End | Get the soup. |
| 14:53.11 | zenzelezz | the blue pill |
| 14:53.19 | End | Not the salad. |
| 14:53.19 | Lunessa | Is it between two evils? |
| 14:53.39 | Lopeppeppy | The answer to an "either/or" question is "yes" |
| 14:54.18 | Cidan- | I have this super beast of a computer that is at my own place, but I spend most of my time with my girlfriend. However, this computer is really close to my school. Should I take this computer to my girlfriend's place where I will use it more often (WoW!) or leave it here next to my school? |
| 14:54.30 | End | what sort of a beast? |
| 14:54.40 | zenzelezz | if you take it to her place, remember to hide the porn |
| 14:54.42 | nevcairiel | is it any use to you when its near your school ? :P |
| 14:54.44 | Cidan- | 8800 GTX, etc, etc |
| 14:55.14 | Cidan- | I'm not sure, I have my laptop that I dev on most of the time. |
| 14:55.41 | Cidan- | I never use this computer anymore, and it makes me QQ. |
| 14:55.46 | Cidan- | So many good games... |
| 14:56.06 | Cidan- | Also, the pr0n won't be an issue. :P |
| 14:56.29 | Lunessa | Devilish question - How painful will it be if you break up and she smashes the beast. |
| 14:56.47 | Cidan- | Lucky for me, she's not crazy. |
| 14:56.52 | Cidan- | Well, except for once a month |
| 14:56.59 | Lunessa | ... |
| 14:57.08 | TS|Skrom | Bagels! |
| 14:57.10 | Lunessa | I wouldn't have gone there. |
| 14:57.10 | Cidan- | After 5 years though, I think we'll be fine. |
| 14:57.18 | Lunessa | Ok, so take the beast over there. |
| 14:57.30 | Cidan- | no no, I'm not being sarcastic |
| 14:58.00 | Cidan- | I'd tell you all about it, but she plays WoW too, so uh, yeah. :P |
| 14:58.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Worst that can happen is she starts to use it obsessively |
| 14:58.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Which is solved with passwords |
| 14:59.00 | Lunessa | Cidan - Seriously, if you spend all your time over there and it's just gathering dust - then by all means take it to her place. |
| 14:59.08 | Cidan- | naw, I'm not worried about all that, she has her own login and even if she uses mine, she's not quite the "OMG A COMPUTER LOLWUT DO I DEW?" |
| 14:59.10 | Lopeppeppy | Better to see a computer used, than to rust away. |
| 14:59.24 | Cidan- | Hmm. Okay then, :P |
| 14:59.27 | Cidan- | also |
| 14:59.28 | Cidan- | A: The voice chat feature is the proprietary in-game voice communication system for World of Warcraft. It allows World of Warcraft players to communicate with each other using a simple-to-use interface that is seamlessly integrated with the game. |
| 14:59.42 | Cidan- | I think Blizzard smokes crazy stuff sometimes. |
| 14:59.46 | ScytheBlade1 | No kidding |
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| 15:00.21 | Cidan- | Where is this "simple-to-use interface that is seamlessly intergrated with the game?" |
| 15:00.32 | Cidan- | Is there a command line switch to unlock it? |
| 15:00.40 | Cidan- | :/ |
| 15:00.56 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 15:01.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Is that an honest question or sarcasm? ;P |
| 15:01.10 | Cidan- | Sarcasm |
| 15:01.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Sarcasm related to the 'simple' part ;P |
| 15:01.19 | Cidan- | The entire thing feels like a kludge, at best. |
| 15:01.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Agreed |
| 15:01.39 | ScytheBlade1 | When a few of us hopped on once it was active |
| 15:01.46 | ScytheBlade1 | It took us a while to figure it all out, lol |
| 15:02.09 | Cidan- | And if it takes a bunch of UI coders to figure it out, well then, whew. |
| 15:03.09 | Lunessa | Function first, interface second, refinement thrid. |
| 15:03.27 | ScytheBlade1 | They're sitting at 1/3 |
| 15:03.28 | Cidan- | Or you can do all three in one fell swoop. :P |
| 15:03.30 | ScytheBlade1 | 'Function' is relative |
| 15:03.44 | ScytheBlade1 | 'Interface' only counts because it exists |
| 15:04.15 | amro | has anyone tried it under wine? |
| 15:04.20 | Cidan- | oo |
| 15:04.23 | Cidan- | no, I have not |
| 15:04.26 | Lunessa | I'm just saying that they're still working on function. |
| 15:04.46 | ScytheBlade1 | amro, yes. Broke. |
| 15:05.11 | amro | =( does the game run at least? |
| 15:05.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Locks on start. |
| 15:05.29 | ScytheBlade1 | I get nothing, always |
| 15:05.37 | ScytheBlade1 | I hear that it works under Cedega though :/ |
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| 15:05.58 | amro | well there's a chance something else is locking it up |
| 15:06.04 | amro | a few patches have done that before |
| 15:06.25 | amro | can you get past the login screen? |
| 15:06.38 | ScytheBlade1 | I can't get a login screen/ |
| 15:06.42 | ScytheBlade1 | *. |
| 15:06.56 | amro | I had that problem once |
| 15:07.14 | amro | removing Scan.dll solved it, but I'm not sure if its the same issue... |
| 15:07.42 | Cidan- | tell you what, lemmi download the patch and then switch over to ubuntu |
| 15:07.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Disable your sound drivers and it works. |
| 15:07.48 | Cidan- | you can use me as a testing bish. |
| 15:08.53 | TS|Skrom | http://www.pvponline.com/comic_archive_results?c=borg |
| 15:09.08 | TS|Skrom | specifically this one: http://www.pvponline.com/article/300/Wed-Aug-18 |
| 15:09.19 | Cairenn|afk | ~seen shirik |
| 15:09.25 | purl | shirik <i=nospam@216-164-200-106.s1884.apx1.atn.pa.dialup.rcn.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 12h 43m 39s ago, saying: 'take care guys'. |
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| 15:10.42 | Cidan- | do you need him? |
| 15:10.53 | Cairenn | not urgently, no |
| 15:10.57 | Cidan- | He's on gtalk |
| 15:11.23 | Cairenn | just trying to catch him at some point or another, not a big deal |
| 15:11.28 | Cidan- | kk |
| 15:12.11 | Cidan- | You know what game I had high hopes for? LotRO |
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| 15:12.41 | Cidan- | I tried to get into it, but I couldn't |
| 15:12.51 | Cidan- | I even did the pre-order beta thing |
| 15:15.09 | Lysistrata | So LotRO didn't turn out to be that great? |
| 15:16.01 | End | well, Cairenn likes it :P |
| 15:16.15 | Cairenn | different strokes for different folks |
| 15:16.30 | Cidan- | I mean, it's good. It just, eh |
| 15:16.35 | Lunessa | I'm sure the game for LotRO is fine as a game, but it just wouldn't be middle earth for me. |
| 15:16.39 | Lysistrata | I just testet L2 ... I don't know yet if I like it but one is for sure: GameGuard sucks! |
| 15:16.40 | Lunessa | People ruin it. |
| 15:16.41 | End | a friend of mine played in the closed beta, and somehow he ended up playing WoW again |
| 15:16.42 | Cidan- | Right |
| 15:16.53 | zenzelezz | L2 as in Lineage 2? |
| 15:16.58 | Lysistrata | Yes zenzelezz |
| 15:17.04 | zenzelezz | isn't that getting old by now? |
| 15:17.18 | JoshBorke | purl, hug Cairenn |
| 15:17.19 | purl | ACTION hugs Cairenn tightly until Cairenn turns slightly blue |
| 15:17.32 | JoshBorke | how's the migraine? |
| 15:17.33 | Lysistrata | Lunessa come on it got to be great having Halflings yelling: OMFG HE DID KILL ME!!!!!111 |
| 15:17.39 | Cairenn | gone, thank goodness |
| 15:18.05 | Cidan- | When I played, people were pretty mature about it. |
| 15:18.21 | Cidan- | However, by large and far the best thing LotRO has is /music |
| 15:18.29 | Lunessa | Lysistrata: Yeah, the word 'n00b' ruins it for me. |
| 15:18.30 | Cidan- | far and large, even. |
| 15:18.55 | Lysistrata | Yes it does zenzelezz but some friends started playing it and so I wanted to give it a try. It's just that GameGuard crashed probably about 20 times and I had to change to another firewall to be able to login. |
| 15:19.05 | JoshBorke | Cairenn: and how about in general? how are you doing? still doing the physical therapy? |
| 15:19.15 | Lunessa | I wouldn't mind if it were Middle Earth. The place that was my refuge and seat of wonder growing up. |
| 15:19.38 | Cairenn | finished that just before I left for BlizzCon, should maybe still be there, but meh |
| 15:19.58 | Cairenn | doing okay overall |
| 15:20.31 | Lunessa | I'm gald you're doing well/better, and feel like a heel for not knowing something was wring in the first place. |
| 15:20.39 | zenzelezz | if there's one thing MMOs have taught me it's to never follow your friends into them |
| 15:20.44 | zenzelezz | they'll abandon you after a month |
| 15:21.09 | Cairenn | Lunessa: not to worry, wasn't something widely broadcast or anything, just came up in the channel from time to time |
| 15:21.30 | ScytheBlade1 | lol @ zenzelezz |
| 15:21.32 | Lunessa | Regardless, I'm glad you're doing better. |
| 15:21.36 | End | hehe |
| 15:21.36 | Cairenn | thanks :) |
| 15:21.41 | ScytheBlade1 | zenzelezz, for better or for worse, that wasn't the case in my situation |
| 15:21.50 | ScytheBlade1 | zenzelezz, on the flip side, I'm /still/ stuck with them.. |
| 15:21.57 | End | lol |
| 15:22.44 | Lunessa | zenzelezz: Right. Everyone who I know from other games never followed me. Even if we went to the same game, we went to different servers or factions or something and lost track. |
| 15:23.29 | Lopeppeppy | I lose track of friends on my own server, just from guild-changes. |
| 15:24.34 | End | the guild I was in split in two basically, which effectively doubled the size of my friend's list :( |
| 15:25.04 | End | not that we were in a good position...we had half aussies, half americans, which significantly limited our raiding times |
| 15:25.33 | zenzelezz | two friends pulled me into Anarchy Online just past new-year in 2003, they left two months later... I played for another three years on and off. Then one of them sends me a copy of WoW, I start playing, and what do you know, they stop a few months later \o/ |
| 15:25.47 | End | lol |
| 15:25.51 | zenzelezz | sometimes it's good to be a loner |
| 15:26.23 | Cidan- | I fell in love with WoW the first time I made a NElf in the beta. |
| 15:26.34 | Lysistrata | Same Cidan xD |
| 15:26.38 | Cidan- | when you still got skillpoints via combat xp. |
| 15:26.51 | Rallion | WoW was my first MMO, I remember making an undead mage in the beta |
| 15:26.56 | Cidan- | when almost no class had talents |
| 15:26.59 | End | a couple of my friends play off and on...they'll quite for a few months and then get back into the game |
| 15:27.00 | Legorolo | i fell in love with WoW when i heard it will be customisable via Lua |
| 15:27.03 | End | quit* |
| 15:27.07 | Cidan- | when Paladin's could attack on mounts. :( |
| 15:27.12 | Legorolo | i downloaded Lua interpreter before I even got access to WoW i any way |
| 15:27.14 | End | Legorolo: lol, that's probably kept me around :P |
| 15:27.20 | Lopeppeppy | I fell in love with WoW when I joined a guild and had people to talk to. |
| 15:27.29 | Legorolo | I wrote my first AddOn when people were in US beta, and was begging them on IRC to try it out for me |
| 15:27.34 | TS|Skrom | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkXPbEb4NyI <-- funny movie, prolly not SFW |
| 15:27.43 | Rallion | I think WoW might end up being the last time I feel a sense of actual awe when playing a game for the first time |
| 15:27.57 | Legorolo | the nitpickers will point out addons didn't exist back then, it was a mod to ChatFrame.lua |
| 15:28.09 | Rallion | awe might be the wrong word, but I really can't come up with a better one |
| 15:28.16 | Legorolo | it is awe |
| 15:28.18 | Legorolo | that's what i felt |
| 15:28.21 | Lysistrata | I never fell in love with WoW I just play if on and off ... and yeha that's it. Most guilds I've been in suck and I lost track of almost anyone I've been "friends" with in WoW... ^^ |
| 15:28.23 | Legorolo | and keep feeling when i see some of the new content |
| 15:28.33 | End | I definitely feel awe |
| 15:28.38 | Legorolo | i never thought it was possible, but when i walked into Nagrand the first time, i felt the same sense of awe as when logging on for the first time |
| 15:28.54 | Lopeppeppy | Netherstorm was awesome for me. |
| 15:29.06 | End | I remember going into zangarmarsh on beta |
| 15:29.08 | Legorolo | i deliberately avoid screenies and as much of beta content as possible, usually |
| 15:29.11 | End | well, not really going in |
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| 15:29.15 | Legorolo | because i love that first-time ZOMG moment |
| 15:29.21 | End | but looking in, and being fascinated...then I made myself leave |
| 15:29.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Zang was an epic zone |
| 15:29.34 | End | I didn't want to explore everything in the beta |
| 15:29.40 | Legorolo | same here |
| 15:29.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Is, actually. My druid is doing it now |
| 15:29.52 | Legorolo | i have't rolled a draenei in beta, kept it for release |
| 15:30.06 | Legorolo | for that matter i still haven't played through draenei start area, so there is still unexplored content there for me ;-) |
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| 15:30.51 | Rallion | I'm seriously going to miss the sense of new-ness that I felt when I first started, it's something I've only felt in a very few games |
| 15:31.34 | Cidan- | Oblivion gave me that |
| 15:31.36 | Lopeppeppy | You have to re-create the experience inside yourself, in a way... not just get it from cool graphics... If you're jaded, nothing's going to give the perk. |
| 15:31.39 | Rallion | Wolfenstein 3D (I was SEVEN), StarCraft, Super Mario 64...can't really think of any others |
| 15:32.52 | Cidan- | Oblivion, WoW, FF6, and I'm sure more. |
| 15:32.55 | cog|away | I had that feeling when I first played Trade Wars on a color monitor >< |
| 15:33.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Rallion, got you beat. I was six when I picked up 3D. ;) |
| 15:33.30 | Rallion | bah :P |
| 15:33.58 | Rallion | ooh, yeah, FF7 for me...though 6 is better. |
| 15:34.10 | Rallion | Also, System Shock 2, forgot that one |
| 15:34.10 | ScytheBlade1 | No one point guns at me or anything... but... 9. |
| 15:34.16 | Cidan- | ah yes, SS2 |
| 15:34.24 | Lopeppeppy | TS|Skrom... if my male ever gave me that reaction, he'd be castrated in about 3 seconds flat. |
| 15:34.25 | TS|Skrom | SS2... scariest game I've ever played |
| 15:34.46 | Rallion | I played SS2 in one sitting, with quality headphones, in a dark room. |
| 15:35.06 | Cidan- | About that video link. |
| 15:35.09 | Cidan- | I had that problem. |
| 15:35.16 | TS|Skrom | Lopeppeppy the whole time I was thinking... wow it's like someone made a video of my life, just reversed. |
| 15:35.20 | Cidan- | Except I wasn't the one who was addicted. |
| 15:35.48 | Cidan- | It was not fun. Moderation is the key |
| 15:36.06 | Cidan- | WoW can really destroy your life if you let it. :( |
| 15:36.29 | Cairenn | anything can |
| 15:36.40 | Cidan- | True, true. |
| 15:37.08 | Rallion | I definitely only play in moderation, but sometimes, that can make you feel like an ass |
| 15:37.19 | Rallion | like when something comes up, and you have to ditch an instance group for it |
| 15:37.43 | Cidan- | Yeah, that happens. I try to plan around it though. |
| 15:37.50 | Cidan- | But I hate ditching half-way through. |
| 15:38.01 | Cidan- | I feel like it ruins your rep. |
| 15:38.08 | Rallion | Heh, basically, I only run instances when my girlfriend is at work |
| 15:38.14 | Cidan- | lol? |
| 15:38.19 | TS|Skrom | Oddly enough I play more often now that I'm divorced then I ever dreamed of when married. |
| 15:38.31 | TS|Skrom | I'm meeting her accusations AFTER she leaves. that's screwed up |
| 15:38.41 | Cidan- | I normally only play if my lady plays too |
| 15:38.43 | Cidan- | Coding aside. |
| 15:38.45 | TS|Skrom | it's like she was some kind of future psychic bitch |
| 15:38.53 | Cidan- | lol? |
| 15:39.18 | zenzelezz | a friend of mine recently exlaimed "don't ever get your girlfriend into WoW :-( All I do now is play low levels in Darkshore" |
| 15:39.38 | Cidan- | haha |
| 15:39.41 | Cidan- | my girlfriend > me |
| 15:39.45 | Cidan- | she has two level 70's |
| 15:39.55 | Cidan- | she had two level 60's before I even had one. |
| 15:40.04 | Cidan- | and I still don't have a level 70 |
| 15:40.41 | TS|Skrom | Maybe I'll play wow tonight. I've not played in over a week now actually. |
| 15:40.50 | Cidan- | I may as well |
| 15:41.07 | TS|Skrom | been wrapped up in Jagged Alliance 2 and Heroes of Might and Magic V |
| 15:41.11 | TS|Skrom | both excellent games |
| 15:41.22 | Cidan- | <3 HOMM5 |
| 15:41.27 | Cidan- | Multiplayer is soo sloowww though |
| 15:42.00 | TS|Skrom | ever seen http://www.heroesofmightandmagic.com/heroes5/game_manuals.shtml? |
| 15:42.03 | TS|Skrom | er remove ? |
| 15:42.26 | Cidan- | nope |
| 15:42.42 | TS|Skrom | incredible full color free stratagy guide made by players |
| 15:42.46 | Cidan- | neat |
| 15:43.06 | TS|Skrom | I didn't have a manual for some reason that I can't recall or can't find it whatever so I had no idea what alot of the unit abilities meant |
| 15:43.38 | TS|Skrom | but that guide has everything, totall awesome. |
| 15:44.20 | Cidan- | I love HOMM5, but I still think 3 was the best. |
| 15:44.39 | TS|Skrom | I skipped 4 three was good though |
| 15:44.57 | Cidan- | be glad about that one |
| 15:45.00 | Cidan- | 4 was trash. |
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| 15:46.36 | Cidan- | Christ, the guy in that video link at the end was mean. |
| 15:46.38 | Cidan- | Really mean. |
| 15:46.53 | Cidan- | And to think some men talk to women like that. |
| 15:46.54 | Cidan- | Ugh. |
| 15:48.11 | deltron | TS|Skrom: how'd I do in my absence? |
| 15:48.52 | TS|Skrom | Not too shabby. Mike played for ya. The party killed the mummy (:-() and is headed back to town to recover then expose the mayer for his murder. |
| 15:49.38 | deltron | cool |
| 15:49.47 | deltron | use the oil in the back room to kill him? |
| 15:50.01 | TS|Skrom | it helped. took off about 1/2 his hitpoints |
| 15:50.09 | TS|Skrom | nova did the rest hehe |
| 15:50.17 | deltron | heh |
| 15:50.38 | Lopeppeppy | Cidan-, that's what I would be castrating him over, not the rest of it. Baseball bat cures computer addictions, but very little will cure a natural asshat nature. |
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| 15:52.11 | Cidan- | That's more than asshat |
| 15:52.15 | Cidan- | That's just abusive |
| 15:52.20 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: Castration comments crit Lunessa for 5K, Lunessa dies. |
| 15:53.37 | Lunessa | Did you see the body? And even if you did, are you sure no genetic material is in a cloning lab somewhere? I mean, people ALWAYS come back in movies/comics. |
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| 15:54.47 | Lopeppeppy | I hope that's the case with you, Lunessa. The damaging of one abusive asshat should not cause you so much pain, it's just not right. |
| 15:55.17 | Lunessa | I didn't see the link, and it seems to have scrolled past finding. |
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| 15:56.41 | Cidan- | and that's how baby gnomes are born. |
| 15:56.46 | Cidan- | What do you think, Valaron|Work? |
| 15:56.50 | Cidan- | Agreed? |
| 15:57.40 | Lunessa | aah, found it. |
| 15:58.02 | Valaron|Work | Think of what? |
| 15:58.37 | Lopeppeppy | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkXPbEb4NyI |
| 15:58.40 | Cidan- | Perfect. |
| 15:58.46 | Cidan- | Glad you agree. |
| 15:59.46 | Lunessa | Catration references. |
| 15:59.50 | Lunessa | Castration even |
| 15:59.59 | Cairenn | but who are you castrating and why? |
| 16:00.11 | Lunessa | The video |
| 16:00.35 | Cidan- | What the man does at the end will explain it. |
| 16:00.44 | Cairenn | okay |
| 16:01.07 | Valaron|Work | "Pixelated crap." |
| 16:01.14 | Valaron|Work | crack |
| 16:01.15 | Lopeppeppy | Is very long, but I think the last 3 minutes work for the whole story. |
| 16:01.16 | Valaron|Work | Sorry |
| 16:01.19 | Lunessa | I need to get some of the background music. Sounds like "Foggy Bottom Boys" |
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| 16:03.08 | Lopeppeppy | I've been listening to Space Oddity and Major Tom this morning, I'm highly skewed. |
| 16:03.50 | Valaron|Work | Hey.. in the video... the man is still using the default UI. I call shenanigans on the whole thing. |
| 16:03.58 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 16:04.13 | Cidan- | lol |
| 16:04.27 | Cidan- | seriously, who raids with the default UI? :D |
| 16:04.37 | Beladona | I did for a while |
| 16:04.44 | Cidan- | Heretic! |
| 16:04.56 | Beladona | healing made me use something else though |
| 16:05.05 | JoshBorke | anyone here made a nameless editbox? |
| 16:05.42 | Lunessa | That was horrible. |
| 16:06.11 | Cidan- | Right. |
| 16:07.07 | zenzelezz | I raid with mostly the default UI; as a warrior |
| 16:08.07 | Cidan- | even as a warrior, I need my bongos and ecastingbar |
| 16:08.23 | Cidan- | not to mention fubar, etc |
| 16:09.15 | zenzelezz | I use... hm, CTRA for the MT list, MSBT, KLHTM, and my personal health/rage bars... nothing more I can think of |
| 16:09.38 | Cidan- | I don't like CTRA, but I'm biased. :P |
| 16:09.59 | lolinternet | i don't like KTM, but i like my performance to be non-hogged. |
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| 16:10.11 | Cairenn | unh ... ooooookay ... that video was, ummm .... yeah |
| 16:10.17 | Cidan- | lol |
| 16:10.23 | zenzelezz | I don't like KTM but have no choice, and if I want an MT list I'll have to use what my guild uses |
| 16:10.39 | sag_ich_nicht | zenzelezz |
| 16:10.40 | sag_ich_nicht | uh |
| 16:10.48 | sag_ich_nicht | just use Omen since it syncs with KTM? o_O |
| 16:10.52 | Cidan- | Well once Shirik and I finish Conspiracy, it will be the best. |
| 16:11.02 | zenzelezz | no, I'm not switching until I know everyone is |
| 16:11.15 | zenzelezz | in my guild that is |
| 16:11.25 | sag_ich_nicht | zenzelezz why? the values you see are the same, and the ones you send are more accurate oO |
| 16:11.30 | sag_ich_nicht | don't see the problem oO |
| 16:11.32 | Lunessa | ORA2 and Omen will sync with CTRA and KTM respecitively. |
| 16:11.45 | sag_ich_nicht | i was just gonna mention oRA2 next oO |
| 16:11.47 | zenzelezz | but ORA2 doesn't have my guild's DKP additions |
| 16:11.58 | sag_ich_nicht | well, okay, that counts then |
| 16:12.01 | Kaydeethree | anything using threat-1.0 will synch with KTM |
| 16:12.06 | sag_ich_nicht | but the KTM arugment stands |
| 16:12.09 | Lunessa | Now, there's a reason not to switch. |
| 16:12.10 | sag_ich_nicht | *argument |
| 16:12.11 | sag_ich_nicht | damnit |
| 16:12.25 | sag_ich_nicht | Lunessa loving low as hell fps? |
| 16:12.26 | zenzelezz | I'm not saying you're wrong, but I don't care to switch until my guild does, simple |
| 16:12.40 | zenzelezz | especially since I haven't bothered looking if I can get Omen without messing with the Ace downloader thing |
| 16:13.13 | Lunessa | sag_ich_nicht: If the DKP system they use requires CTRA, then ... well, he shouldn't switch. |
| 16:13.17 | Abyissviper | <- retarded as to what is being said. |
| 16:13.27 | sag_ich_nicht | Lunessa i said that already, i am talking about KTM |
| 16:13.32 | sag_ich_nicht | zenzelezz: http://files.wowace.com/Omen/Omen.zip |
| 16:13.41 | sag_ich_nicht | there, everything you need embedded. |
| 16:13.43 | Lunessa | I don't use KTM. I use Omen. |
| 16:13.43 | Cidan- | I wonder if I should write a CTRA compatability layer. |
| 16:13.57 | sag_ich_nicht | Cidan i'd appreciate it. |
| 16:14.18 | Lunessa | I didn't use a threat meter at all until recently 'cause you don't really need one for MOST things. But it does make a handy tool for learning. |
| 16:14.19 | Cidan- | I was going to do it for RDX.Cid |
| 16:14.21 | sag_ich_nicht | better make it an oRA2 compatibility layer with a CTRA layer integrated into that. :P |
| 16:14.32 | Rallion | Omen's fun stuff |
| 16:14.59 | sag_ich_nicht | because oRA2 item checks > CTRA checks |
| 16:15.01 | Rallion | ooh and threat meters are going to be getting a lot better. didn't even think of that. |
| 16:15.15 | Kaydeethree | depends on how it actually gets implemented |
| 16:15.18 | sag_ich_nicht | more like "threat meters are going to die and we are just going to have to choose a GUI" |
| 16:15.36 | Beladona | I don't believe that will be the case |
| 16:16.19 | Beladona | the new combat log system will make threat meters able to deifferentiate between individual mobs. The the ui they are adding for default_ui threat management will be limited enough that addons can do it in a more elaborate fashion |
| 16:16.35 | Beladona | so threat meters won't go away |
| 16:17.12 | Cidan- | wait what? There are changes coming to combat logging? |
| 16:17.17 | sag_ich_nicht | in 2.4 |
| 16:17.23 | sag_ich_nicht | massive ones, that is. |
| 16:17.24 | Beladona | the way they described it in the panel was that it would probably be limited to something that just tells you how your threat is relative to another player, but not details like threat numbers and tps |
| 16:17.26 | Cidan- | Oh neat. |
| 16:17.50 | zenzelezz | one thing I've never actually cared about while tanking is TPS :-o |
| 16:17.59 | Beladona | it matters |
| 16:18.11 | zenzelezz | I've never even had it enabled in KTM |
| 16:18.15 | Beladona | if you are only doing 300tps and a mage is doing 700tps, you need to worry |
| 16:18.24 | Beladona | or the mage needs to stop |
| 16:18.33 | Beladona | 300 is kinda low though |
| 16:18.39 | Kaydeethree | not if we just came out of invis and popped trinkets |
| 16:18.42 | Abyissviper | idk if its been invented yet or not (most likely it has) but i want to eventually make a droprate addon that shows: "<Item> <drop creature> <% of drops> <what u get if you disench> <Vendor price> |
| 16:18.42 | Kaydeethree | <-- mage |
| 16:19.09 | ScytheBlade1 | <-- also a mage. l2tank. :) |
| 16:19.10 | sag_ich_nicht | Abyissviper so you want to combine Auctioneer with MobInfo2? :P |
| 16:19.13 | Kaydeethree | take a look at mobinfo 2, abyssviper |
| 16:19.25 | sag_ich_nicht | (and enchantrix) |
| 16:19.32 | Kaydeethree | the informant part of auctioneer, to be specific |
| 16:19.46 | Beladona | refrain from the "lrn2tank" comments. My example was arbritrary and no indication of anyone's tanking skill |
| 16:20.35 | Beladona | and mages have to be aware of threat, threat meter or not. Expecting a warrior to worry about it for them is assinine |
| 16:20.36 | sag_ich_nicht | Kaydeethree and enchantrix. |
| 16:21.04 | Kaydeethree | threat I pay attention to, tps on the other hand... |
| 16:21.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Beladona, in all truth, I've never once had to worry about my threat if I play even somewhat smart. Which consists mostlty of "not playing stupid" |
| 16:21.21 | Beladona | thats what I mean |
| 16:21.42 | Beladona | I have met puggers that don't play smart though, and then bitch when they get one-shotted |
| 16:21.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Eh. Can't fix stupid. |
| 16:21.54 | Cidan- | Beladona, agreed. |
| 16:22.01 | End | I'd expect to warrior to worry about so much that they are using threat generating abilities (and that's it) |
| 16:22.10 | Beladona | exactly |
| 16:22.15 | Cidan- | You can't just sit there and spam x spell, then bitch to the warrior who can't "keep aggro" |
| 16:22.33 | Beladona | but when I am holding 3+ mobs, there is some intelligence needed on the part of the others in the party |
| 16:22.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Cidan-, actually I can, and I do. ;) |
| 16:22.47 | Beladona | like, dont nuke the mob we aren't focusing on |
| 16:22.58 | Lunessa | The joke about people who "ohnoes pullz teh argo!" |
| 16:23.10 | Abyissviper | on my lock i get bitched at for meleeing jumping targets(usually rouges or mages). But can you blame me when almost all of the locks moves are stand-to-cast? |
| 16:23.28 | Cidan- | lulz? |
| 16:23.39 | JoshBorke | i can blame you, yes |
| 16:24.11 | Lunessa | I blame you too. |
| 16:24.18 | Abyissviper | and its pvp not pve |
| 16:24.58 | Lunessa | dot, dot, dot, Skill-Coil, dot, dot, fear, dot, dot, Howl of Terror, Win. |
| 16:25.18 | JoshBorke | WotF, trinket, CoS |
| 16:25.31 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.adversaryguild.com/images/lockcontroller.jpg |
| 16:25.37 | Lunessa | I'm kidding of course, but many of a warlock's most powerful attacks are instant cast. |
| 16:25.56 | Lunessa | lol |
| 16:26.03 | Abyissviper | im centered in destro right now and trying to get enough to respec |
| 16:27.06 | amro | its not like people will spawn right on top of you to start the fight |
| 16:27.45 | Lunessa | My warlock is PVE spec - Demonology. But I do ok. :) |
| 16:27.56 | *** topic/#wowi-lounge by Cairenn -> #wowi-lounge: Paste Code Here: http://wowi.pastey.net | 2.1 Toc: 20100 | RTFPN please |
| 16:28.26 | Abyissviper | i want mine to be a combo aff and either demo or destro ._> |
| 16:28.42 | End | Demonology is probably the last choice for PVE... :P |
| 16:29.09 | End | there's a lot of places where a pet doesn't work, unfortunately |
| 16:29.55 | Abyissviper | insta-corrupt ownz |
| 16:30.01 | ScytheBlade1 | I stand by my picture |
| 16:30.04 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.adversaryguild.com/images/lockcontroller.jpg |
| 16:30.17 | Abyissviper | lol |
| 16:30.26 | End | that controller must be for pvp :P |
| 16:31.03 | sag_ich_nicht | true lock controller. |
| 16:31.18 | Lunessa | I use the 41-point pet a lot. Makes a decent off-tank and has decent DPS for groups of small adds like in Black Morass. |
| 16:31.30 | Lopeppeppy | Ooooohkaaaay.... So whose brilliant idea is it to set the zone-in point for the PTR's to be insta-gank central? *rolls eyes* |
| 16:31.34 | End | I'd argue you need a spelllock button for felhunter, but most locks let that get autocast |
| 16:31.47 | End | ah, well, I think from a raid PoV when it comes to pve |
| 16:32.12 | Kaydeethree | lope; heh, people have been complaining about that since day one of the ptr |
| 16:32.21 | Lunessa | I don't let Spell lock go on Auto-cast. The pet AI has terrible timing. |
| 16:33.25 | End | I see better behavior in arena (but usually they spelllock my healer not me), but in battleground it's all silence and no interrupt |
| 16:33.36 | End | (I mean when I see other warlocks) |
| 16:33.51 | End | Mages sometimes do that too though. |
| 16:33.56 | Lunessa | I should add this - DISCLIAMER: Lunessa sucks at PVP, always has, always will. Deal with it. |
| 16:34.12 | amro | destro locks are a coin tos |
| 16:34.16 | amro | s/tos/toss |
| 16:34.31 | End | destro locks annoy me. They have nether protection |
| 16:34.35 | amro | win in 10 seconds or lose in 10 seconds |
| 16:35.38 | amro | I usually win because of intimidation, they're dead before they got off too many casts. backlash is annoying though |
| 16:36.05 | End | yeah, it does seem to be pretty luck based |
| 16:38.12 | amro | I have more trouble with afflic locks. I almost always die from a DoT after I kill them |
| 16:38.31 | amro | DoTs hate me, I once died from a hunter pet's scorpid poison after I killed him |
| 16:40.09 | JoshBorke | lrn2antivenom |
| 16:40.48 | Kaydeethree | oh, hrm |
| 16:40.57 | Kaydeethree | I need to update my signature since blizzcon's already happened |
| 16:43.49 | amro | JoshBorke: I'd rather use a bandage |
| 16:44.09 | JoshBorke | good luck bandaging dead ;-) |
| 16:44.38 | amro | heheh, the only reason I won that fight is because I managed to bandage for a few secs |
| 16:45.11 | amro | good luck removing venom dead ;-) |
| 16:49.42 | End | it's not unknown for me to have more killing blows than honorable kills in battle grounds :( |
| 16:50.28 | End | (not by the end of game of course, but I've been half way through with 5 kb and 4 honorable kills) |
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| 17:03.54 | Cidan- | horray for Vista locking up |
| 17:04.00 | Cidan- | 8800 + Vista == crap. |
| 17:04.21 | zenzelezz | Vista == crap |
| 17:04.27 | Thunder_Child | thats what i have...only seems to happen some of the time |
| 17:04.36 | Cidan- | nah, Vista is okay for the most part |
| 17:04.49 | Cidan- | The whole "Vista will be the end of the world" argument is way overblown |
| 17:04.58 | Lopeppeppy | Avoiding Vista until there's a service pack. |
| 17:05.15 | Cidan- | It will be soon, says my friend at MS |
| 17:05.45 | Thunder_Child | Cidan-, http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=ae2f819d-c33d-48db-a7e3-62eef7c1f7c2&displaylang=en |
| 17:05.48 | Lunessa | I'll get it when I get a new machine. No point in upgrading my perfectly servicible XP install to Vista on my current machine. |
| 17:05.52 | Lopeppeppy | So I hear. I'm building myself a new machine since mine is monkey-chunks. |
| 17:06.04 | Cidan- | Yeah, I saw that patch, was about to apply it. |
| 17:06.15 | Cidan- | I did so on my laptop, worked out well. |
| 17:06.22 | Thunder_Child | i did, havent had any problems with it yet |
| 17:06.34 | Thunder_Child | but my problems didnt happen all that frequently anyways |
| 17:07.10 | Cidan- | I really wish Linux had more naitive binaries for games. :( |
| 17:07.16 | zenzelezz | I'm not saying Vista is the end of the world, I just don't like it =) |
| 17:07.36 | Cidan- | Like, on this machine Quake 4 runs soooo much better in Linux. |
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| 17:09.30 | Cidan- | I was disappointed when NWN2 didn't have any. |
| 17:09.42 | Cidan- | Actually, I was just disappointed with NWN2. Nevermind. :P |
| 17:11.23 | zenzelezz | I liked NWN2, but it didn't match NWN |
| 17:13.13 | End | yeah, that was my impression as well |
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| 17:15.45 | Lunessa | You mean the NWN that was published by Atari in the early 2001 time-frame, or the NWN goldbox that came out in the 90s? |
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| 17:17.47 | Cidan- | 2001, :P |
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| 17:29.30 | Saint-N | cairenn baby darling honey bunches of oats |
| 17:29.39 | Cairenn | un oh |
| 17:29.52 | Lopeppeppy | Someone wants breakfast! |
| 17:30.33 | Cairenn | Saint-N: yes? |
| 17:31.06 | Valaron|Work | Nut N' Honey |
| 17:31.13 | Cairenn | lol |
| 17:32.06 | Saint-N | just saying hi |
| 17:32.15 | Cairenn | hehehe - hi :) |
| 17:34.14 | Lunessa | First rule of being a geeky-guy; Thou shalt always be polite and make the appropriate social overtures to those who are geeky females. |
| 17:35.25 | Abyissviper | My goods are secret o.o |
| 17:35.35 | Valaron|Work | That's good to know. |
| 17:35.43 | End | Are you that's good? |
| 17:35.47 | End | They could be bad goods. |
| 17:35.51 | End | er |
| 17:35.55 | End | are you sure |
| 17:36.02 | Lunessa | Good goods, bad goods, they're all goods. |
| 17:36.37 | End | Bad goods don't make very good goods, and that's not very good. |
| 17:36.50 | Valaron|Work | It's all good. |
| 17:37.05 | End | But it's not! |
| 17:37.08 | End | Not if it's bad! |
| 17:37.11 | Valaron|Work | Except where prohibited by Law. |
| 17:37.12 | End | Then it's not good! |
| 17:37.28 | Lunessa | As long as there are goods, then it's better than no goods, even if the goods aren't good, clear? |
| 17:38.08 | End | Sure, good is better than no good, but it wasn't about no goods, now was it, and wtf good looks like a weird word to me now. |
| 17:38.16 | End | it's soooo weiiiird |
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| 17:38.25 | End | GEE OH OH DEE |
| 17:38.26 | End | GOOD |
| 17:38.57 | End | good isn't a very good word at all, but at least isn't like giggle |
| 17:39.08 | End | giggle has three g's! |
| 17:39.13 | End | I mean, what the hell man! |
| 17:39.18 | End | three of them! |
| 17:39.19 | [dRaCo] | google has two |
| 17:39.38 | Lunessa | Hey, try yogurt. It has a Y and a G. FREAKY |
| 17:39.53 | End | zomg, you just blew my mind |
| 17:40.04 | Valaron|Work | Ummm |
| 17:40.30 | Cidan- | I'm rather fond of queue. |
| 17:40.32 | cog|work | Have any of you noticed how many P words have multiple Ps? Purple, pop, pumpkin, pumpernickel, Pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis... |
| 17:40.50 | Lopeppeppy | Lopeppeppy.... |
| 17:40.55 | cog|work | srsly |
| 17:40.58 | End | groggy has three g's too! |
| 17:41.20 | cog|work | eggnog |
| 17:41.26 | JoshBorke | you guys are weird |
| 17:41.26 | Lunessa | It is a conspiracy! |
| 17:42.09 | End | ganggang has 4 g's, which is apparently some sort of bird |
| 17:42.28 | Lunessa | The Illuminati eschews obfuscation caused by multiple 'p' and 'g' usage. |
| 17:42.55 | cog|work | giggling has 4 too |
| 17:43.05 | End | zomg |
| 17:43.18 | End | the world must know! |
| 17:46.19 | JoshBorke | good golly miss molly |
| 17:46.29 | foxlit | Hm, I wonder. |
| 17:46.34 | End | gee wizz mister! |
| 17:46.39 | foxlit | Is there any performance penalty for calling :SetAlpha()? |
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| 17:47.50 | foxlit | Got code that cycles a texture's alpha value over time; I seem to have added a throttle on the number of updates / second |
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| 17:52.06 | cog|work | I doubt there's too much more overhead than the function calls themselves |
| 17:52.19 | N00bZXI | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=965509580 |
| 17:52.29 | N00bZXI | 1) keyloggers |
| 17:52.58 | cog|work | I imagine the graphics engine checks the alpha on frames every OnUpdate so it probably just sets a property on the frame |
| 17:53.17 | End | N00bZXI: Actually, it's angry nerds. They take level 1 characters and invite people using them. |
| 17:56.13 | Cidan- | It upsets me how some people don't have a basic understanding of what keylogging is |
| 17:56.17 | Cidan- | or how it works. |
| 17:56.44 | Cidan- | It's like the chaps who think installing a UI for WoW will give you a keylogger |
| 17:56.46 | Cidan- | ergh. |
| 17:58.53 | N00bZXI | except this guy thinks you can get one |
| 17:59.00 | N00bZXI | from a level one alt inviting you to a group |
| 17:59.12 | N00bZXI | wait, actually he thinks the level one inviting you to a group IS the keylogger |
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| 17:59.41 | N00bZXI | it's sad |
| 18:03.25 | cog|work | morning, Cide |
| 18:04.14 | Lunessa | I am keylogger, hear me roar. |
| 18:08.53 | Cidan- | meow? |
| 18:11.11 | Cide | morning cog|work |
| 18:19.08 | JoshBorke | morning cide |
| 18:19.17 | Cide | morning JoshBorke |
| 18:26.40 | JoshBorke | i still love us |
| 18:27.43 | Lunessa | I can feel the love. |
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| 18:29.20 | Lunessa | I wonder - how long does it take before a forum or IRC regular becomes "missed" - I bet there's a PHD in that somewhere. |
| 18:29.34 | Cairenn | :) |
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| 18:30.39 | Lunessa | Really though - how long does it take someone to notice inactivity on someone else's part? I'm curious. And I bet there's at the very least, a research grant in that. |
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| 18:31.32 | JoshBorke | it's too complicated :-P |
| 18:31.35 | cog|work | noticing something is missing is always harder than noticing something new |
| 18:32.37 | Lunessa | Right. Just the notion piqued my curiosity, |
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| 18:32.46 | End | Cairenn = Flash Flooder! |
| 18:32.47 | zenzelezz | Cairenn, you spammer |
| 18:33.04 | Valaron|Work | ..say my gf about her hair. |
| 18:33.43 | foxlit | cog|work: the interesting thing is whether it recalculates alpha values once per frame or once per change; the former would make sense, while the latter would be painful. |
| 18:34.29 | cog|work | oh... i forgot about how it has to propagate through children |
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| 19:08.13 | Cidan | Cairenn, he's working. |
| 19:08.20 | Cairenn | I know |
| 19:08.28 | Cidan | He won't be on 'til like, 6 I believe. :P |
| 19:08.32 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 19:08.41 | Cairenn | just being all impatient and stuff :) |
| 19:08.54 | Cidan | I don't blame you, he sure is dreeaaammmyyyy |
| 19:09.01 | Cidan | Please don't tell him I said that. |
| 19:09.42 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 19:10.34 | Cidan | Naw, we always talk about loving each other, etc, in front of my girlfriend |
| 19:10.42 | Cidan | she's like, "omg quit itttt" |
| 19:10.50 | Cidan | Just to mess with her. |
| 19:11.01 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 19:12.04 | Cidan | I agree, it is kinda funny. |
| 19:12.35 | JoshBorke | wait, wait, cidan = co-author of RDX.Cid? |
| 19:12.47 | Cairenn | lol |
| 19:12.51 | Cidan | What do you think .Cid is for? |
| 19:12.52 | Cidan | :P |
| 19:12.54 | Cairenn | ping, the pin drops for JoshBorke |
| 19:13.09 | zenzelezz | he's a quick one |
| 19:13.21 | Cidan | I created the mod for our (Shirik and I) guild |
| 19:13.23 | JoshBorke | i hate you all |
| 19:13.31 | JoshBorke | except cairenn,i could never hate her |
| 19:13.32 | Cairenn | it's okay, we hate you too |
| 19:13.40 | Cidan | lol |
| 19:14.07 | Cairenn | :) |
| 19:14.35 | JoshBorke | ;-) |
| 19:14.50 | Tain | I love everyone. |
| 19:15.01 | JoshBorke | we know tain |
| 19:15.05 | JoshBorke | ~taint |
| 19:15.13 | purl | ACTION calls a few functions and nothing is secure any longer. |
| 19:15.13 | Kaydeethree | interesting thing to tab in to |
| 19:15.13 | JoshBorke | ~tainted |
| 19:15.20 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+v Esamynn] by ChanServ |
| 19:15.28 | zenzelezz | ~taint JoshBorke |
| 19:15.31 | zenzelezz | aww |
| 19:15.40 | JoshBorke | ~borked |
| 19:15.40 | purl | extra, extra, read all about it, borked is to have totally ****ed something up. Usually by doing something stupid. Specifically used to describe technology that is broken. The word is in reference to Robert Bork, a nominee to the Supreme Court who, despite being very qualified was not appointed to the court due to partisan reasons. |
| 19:16.11 | JoshBorke | ~facthistory borked |
| 19:16.40 | JoshBorke | we all love you lunessa |
| 19:17.06 | Lunessa | Damn it. Why? Why? Why am I cursed with this ... CHARISMA? God hates me. |
| 19:17.08 | Cidan | Yup, we sure do. |
| 19:17.16 | Cidan | IF you know what we mean! |
| 19:17.20 | Cidan | eh?! EH?! |
| 19:17.43 | Valaron|Work | The gods are so cryptic. |
| 19:18.14 | Kaydeethree | the gods must be crazy |
| 19:18.22 | Lunessa | Yeah, you would think signs and portents could be in simple language. "Hey, moron! I hate you and you must suffer a terrible death!" |
| 19:18.32 | Kaydeethree | how the hell do I remember that movie from 7th grade social studies? |
| 19:18.50 | Cidan | High fiber diet? |
| 19:19.05 | Lunessa | It's a funny flick. |
| 19:19.35 | Valaron|Work | Coke was totally selling out to that movie. |
| 19:19.56 | Lunessa | But the Coke bottle is iconic. |
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| 19:21.31 | Cidan | woah |
| 19:21.33 | Cidan | The head of a Chinese company accused of shipping thousands of lead-tainted toys later recalled in the United States has committed suicide, a state-run newspaper said today. |
| 19:21.49 | Cairenn | =( |
| 19:21.49 | Lopeppeppy | *sigh* |
| 19:22.08 | Lunessa | Ouch. |
| 19:22.33 | Cidan | This is going to sound bad, but it's just as well. He would have hung at the hands of the state anyways. |
| 19:23.03 | Cidan | It's just a shame, sigh. |
| 19:24.11 | Cidan | and I love how they always say, "a state-run newspaper", as if there is anything else. lol |
| 19:26.33 | Lunessa | In China, there certainly isn't. Not that isn't being systematically hunted down and eliminated. |
| 19:26.49 | Cidan | Yeppers |
| 19:27.05 | Cidan | Ah well, I try not to judge. |
| 19:27.24 | Cidan | Their way is not my way. Hoowwever... |
| 19:27.41 | Cidan | does anyone else here think that Van Cleef is the best instance ever? |
| 19:28.16 | Lunessa | I think it has one of the best story-arcs. And the idea of a giant ship build in a cave near the shore amuses me. |
| 19:28.16 | Lopeppeppy | Van Cleef pay big for you head! |
| 19:28.46 | Kaydeethree | that was the first instance the devs completed, they put a hell of a lot of work in to it |
| 19:28.48 | Lunessa | I used to have that macro'ed. |
| 19:28.59 | Kaydeethree | wish they'd tie any of the other new instances into the game as deeply as VC |
| 19:29.10 | Cidan | The entire Van Cleef/Syndicate/King story line is the best. |
| 19:29.23 | Cidan | Speaking of the King, did they ever do a quest with that island he's on? |
| 19:29.25 | Kaydeethree | wtb a conclusion to missing diplomat |
| 19:29.27 | Lunessa | But it never wraps up |
| 19:29.30 | Cidan | Guess not. |
| 19:29.32 | Kaydeethree | it'll be coming in 2.2/2.3 |
| 19:29.32 | End | that might be in 2.2 |
| 19:29.37 | Cidan | Woo! |
| 19:29.41 | Kaydeethree | with the revamp of DWM |
| 19:29.46 | End | yeah |
| 19:29.54 | foxlit | 2.2 revamps DWM? |
| 19:29.56 | Valaron|Work | Sierra Neveda Brewing Company's VP has been missing for a week. |
| 19:30.07 | Kaydeethree | it's 2.2 or 2.3, don't think it's gonna make 2.2 tbqh |
| 19:30.12 | End | well, I wouldn't say revamp, but they said they're adding a bunch of new stuff |
| 19:30.28 | Cidan | the 2.2 patch is small |
| 19:30.28 | foxlit | Is it in the notes? |
| 19:30.28 | Cidan | very small |
| 19:30.45 | Cidan | well, compared to others |
| 19:30.57 | End | it'll probably finish up the king/diplomat quest line as well as give something more meaningful to the inn quest line |
| 19:30.59 | foxlit | No significantly new content being introduced |
| 19:31.12 | |Jelly|_ | Hey guys! Does having 80MB of UI usage with 2 GB of RAM equate to lag? (I promise there's a reason I'm asking...) |
| 19:31.18 | foxlit | (raid zone-type stuff) |
| 19:31.24 | Thunder_Child | no |
| 19:31.25 | Kaydeethree | no |
| 19:31.26 | End | 2.2 is more client than content |
| 19:31.29 | JoshBorke | no |
| 19:31.30 | Cidan | not outright, no |
| 19:31.41 | foxlit | look at garbage generation rather than memory usage |
| 19:31.43 | |Jelly|_ | Oh wow. I'm not the idiot that everyone seems to think I am. |
| 19:31.47 | Lunessa | I'm blanking out on DWM. |
| 19:31.49 | Cidan | depends what that 80MB UI usage is doing |
| 19:31.54 | Thunder_Child | really? |
| 19:32.05 | |Jelly|_ | Yeah, surprising isn't it? |
| 19:32.05 | Thunder_Child | if you say so |Jelly| |
| 19:32.10 | Cidan | lol |
| 19:32.12 | Cidan | mean. |
| 19:32.16 | Thunder_Child | yea |
| 19:32.18 | Thunder_Child | thats me |
| 19:32.27 | |Jelly|_ | ESPECIALLY considering I don't know how to get rid of the underscore behind my name. I r fail at IRC. |
| 19:32.36 | Kaydeethree | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:32.39 | Thunder_Child | ./nick <new name> |
| 19:32.40 | Cidan | ... |
| 19:32.46 | Cidan | :D |
| 19:32.48 | Thunder_Child | - the . ofc |
| 19:33.05 | Cidan | |Jelly| is taken |
| 19:33.07 | |Jelly|_ | The nickname “|Jelly|†is already in use, use the /nick command to pick a new one. |
| 19:33.21 | ghost | oops |
| 19:33.24 | |Jelly|_ | I tried that already, believe it or not. lol |
| 19:33.26 | Kaydeethree | did you register the nick |Jelly| with nickserv? |
| 19:33.27 | End | haha |
| 19:33.28 | |Jelly|_ | Yeah |
| 19:33.30 | ghost | ./nick ghost |
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| 19:33.36 | Kaydeethree | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:33.41 | Valaron|Work | laugh |
| 19:33.45 | ghost | i fail now |
| 19:33.57 | JoshBorke | ghost: lol |
| 19:33.59 | Cidan | tada! |
| 19:34.01 | |Jelly| | KD! I LOVE YOU! |
| 19:34.05 | Kaydeethree | np |
| 19:34.13 | |Jelly| | In a completely hetero way, that is. |
| 19:34.18 | Kaydeethree | ahahaha |
| 19:34.31 | Valaron|Work | Man love. |
| 19:34.41 | Cidan | It's a scary thing. |
| 19:34.47 | Lopeppeppy | Like a man purse, only more flexible and easier to carry on subways. |
| 19:34.51 | Lunessa | Pass the beer? |
| 19:35.01 | Lopeppeppy | More beer? What for? Nothing helps! |
| 19:35.08 | |Jelly| | PEPPY! |
| 19:35.16 | Valaron|Work | Dance like an NE. |
| 19:35.26 | |Jelly| | I knew there was a reason I kept coming in here since Shirik has shunned me. The cookies are win! |
| 19:35.53 | Thunder_Child | thats what you get for trying to ace RDX |
| 19:35.54 | Lopeppeppy | Dutch chocolate mint chip are next in line, |Jelly|. |
| 19:35.57 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: Are you sure you didn't swing his hinge? You know... |
| 19:36.00 | Cidan | Dear god |
| 19:36.02 | zenzelezz | NE dance: http://www.wonderfulinfo.com/arts/animation/dancing%20baby.gif |
| 19:36.04 | Cidan | you wanted to Ace RDX? |
| 19:36.05 | |Jelly| | hahahaahaa |
| 19:36.09 | Lopeppeppy | Dear god, Lunessa! *laugh* |
| 19:36.20 | zenzelezz | people have a fetish for ascii animation it seems |
| 19:36.21 | Lunessa | It's a new meme |
| 19:36.35 | Thunder_Child | you missed to huge forum post about aceing RDX.cid |
| 19:36.41 | Valaron|Work | too much time on their hands. |
| 19:36.49 | |Jelly| | *huge* |
| 19:36.52 | Lopeppeppy | Another one, Thunder_Child? *laugh* |
| 19:36.53 | Cidan | Pfft, I would have killed whoever did it. |
| 19:36.58 | Cidan | RDX.Cid is discontinued anyways. |
| 19:37.00 | Thunder_Child | bumped no less than 1000000000000000000000000000000 times |
| 19:37.10 | |Jelly| | *looks around innocently* |
| 19:37.47 | Cidan | I've already rewrote most of the windowing libraries from the ground up |
| 19:37.50 | Cidan | No VFL either |
| 19:38.02 | Cidan | self-contained with a well written API |
| 19:38.21 | Lunessa | Does it require me to learn an entirely new way of thinking in order to raid? |
| 19:38.38 | Cidan | Naw, it will function like RDX/RDX.Cid |
| 19:38.52 | Cidan | Just, cleaner, faster |
| 19:38.57 | Thunder_Child | does it require another rewrite of it in ace? |
| 19:39.06 | Cidan | so wait, wait |
| 19:39.09 | Cidan | it was ported? |
| 19:39.19 | zenzelezz | lol |
| 19:39.24 | cladhaire | lol |
| 19:39.29 | Cidan | who ported my baby to ace? |
| 19:39.35 | zenzelezz | everyone's just teasing Shirik about it |
| 19:39.36 | Thunder_Child | i love screwing with peoplse heads |
| 19:39.38 | zenzelezz | he gets so angry |
| 19:39.39 | Thunder_Child | peoples* |
| 19:39.40 | Cidan | I hate you. :P |
| 19:39.51 | |Jelly| | I think Shirik hates us more. |
| 19:39.52 | Lopeppeppy | Get out the No Stick, Cidan. |
| 19:40.01 | JoshBorke | i like to taunt shirik about putting CTL in RDX ;-P |
| 19:40.02 | |Jelly| | ...considering he wont talk to me anymore nor will be post or anything! |
| 19:40.03 | End | I'll port it, and do an intentionally bad job iwth it! |
| 19:40.08 | |Jelly| | ZOMG |
| 19:40.11 | zenzelezz | JoshBorke: you don't say :-p |
| 19:40.21 | JoshBorke | oc |
| 19:40.24 | |Jelly| | Oh and for good measure... |
| 19:40.26 | JoshBorke | or did i mis that part of the conversation? |
| 19:40.33 | |Jelly| | ~whalestab Thunder_Child |
| 19:40.34 | purl | ACTION stabs Thunder_Child with a rather narrow and pointy whale named Montgomery |
| 19:40.35 | foxlit | "WoW's screen always has a width of 1024 units, height varies with aspect ratio." |
| 19:40.42 | Thunder_Child | ~whaleparry |Jelly| |
| 19:40.42 | purl | ACTION uses a slightly less-huge but eminently more agile killer whale named Edwardo to parry |Jelly|'s attacks. |
| 19:40.45 | foxlit | Am I right? |
| 19:40.52 | |Jelly| | ~lart Thunder_Child |
| 19:40.52 | purl | shoots Thunder_Child in the head |
| 19:40.57 | End | I thought it was other way around? |
| 19:41.01 | Thunder_Child | ~slay |Jelly| |
| 19:41.01 | purl | ACTION brandishes Excalibur! "With this sword, I vanquish thee, |Jelly|!" apt lops off |Jelly|'s head. |
| 19:41.02 | |Jelly| | ...there's no dodging THAT! |
| 19:41.07 | Lunessa | foxlit: I think it's height that is constant |
| 19:41.08 | End | actually |
| 19:41.14 | End | I'm not sure at all. |
| 19:41.16 | Lopeppeppy | Okily dokily, everypeople. Where violence lives, Peppy must not. |
| 19:41.21 | Lopeppeppy | And it's time for errands. :| |
| 19:41.23 | |Jelly| | *sigh* You win this one, Trebek! |
| 19:41.24 | Lopeppeppy | Toodles! |
| 19:41.26 | Lunessa | but I'm uncertain now that I think about it. |
| 19:41.26 | Cidan | bai baiiii |
| 19:41.26 | Thunder_Child | no, but shooting someone in the head doesnt for sure kill them |
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| 19:41.35 | End | foxlit: I think you are right |
| 19:41.39 | foxlit | : /dump UIParent:GetCenter(); |
| 19:41.59 | foxlit | 568, 426 for me |
| 19:42.06 | End | I had an addon where....it's.....top and bottom got chopped off... |
| 19:42.32 | Cidan | how does that work with Widescreens? |
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| 19:43.02 | End | I think the width is constant. |
| 19:43.25 | Thunder_Child | well if the height was constant the width could fit to fullscreen/widescreen |
| 19:43.32 | Thunder_Child | easily |
| 19:43.52 | End | well, my tops and bottoms got pushed offscreen |
| 19:44.05 | End | although.... |
| 19:44.28 | End | that could just be related to doing :SetAllPoints |
| 19:44.37 | End | and that's just wear the textures being anchored ended up |
| 19:44.41 | End | or something |
| 19:44.45 | Thunder_Child | clads book explains it |
| 19:45.15 | Thunder_Child | "the interface is always 768 units high no matter the actual resolution" |
| 19:45.36 | Thunder_Child | "the width varies based on the current aspect ratio" |
| 19:45.39 | End | ok, so in my case it was anchoring |
| 19:45.39 | |Jelly| | I need to read that over again. |
| 19:45.42 | |Jelly| | It's been so long. |
| 19:46.00 | End | I guess |
| 19:46.06 | Lunessa | I thought that was the case. |
| 19:46.13 | End | but that doesn't explain why the textures weren't too short! |
| 19:46.33 | Cide | poor code? :) |
| 19:46.44 | End | it wasn't even code |
| 19:46.57 | End | it was just textures |
| 19:47.08 | Cide | that are most likely positioned with code though |
| 19:47.37 | End | well |
| 19:47.43 | End | I guess you could say that. |
| 19:47.51 | End | technically, I borrowed from Blizzard anyways. |
| 19:48.16 | End | anyways: SetupFullscreenScale() ftw |
| 19:49.44 | End | (It's pretty likely I might just be rememebering incorrectly) |
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| 19:55.36 | N00bZXI | well that explains why 1.0 scale on a smaller monitor == .85 on my current in terms of frame size |
| 19:56.05 | Cidan | er, I hope you mean lower resolution/higher resolution |
| 19:56.13 | Cidan | because physical monitor size has nothing to do with it |
| 19:56.20 | Cidan | :D |
| 19:56.43 | End | well, generally a smaller monitor can't supporter higher resolutions ;P |
| 19:56.51 | Cidan | too true, too true |
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| 19:59.14 | N00bZXI | Cidan: Ya, that's what I meant, I always play on highest resolution |
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| 20:18.49 | Cidan | there. |
| 20:18.58 | Cidan | main computer now setup and girlfriend's place. |
| 20:19.27 | Cidan | mmm, back on my ipv6 network |
| 20:20.39 | sag_ich_nicht | what the hell. |
| 20:20.47 | sag_ich_nicht | tirion is wielding ashbringer in WotLK? |
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| 20:21.06 | sag_ich_nicht | i do not approve. |
| 20:21.19 | sag_ich_nicht | this item needs to be player wielded. >< |
| 20:23.55 | End | that was fast |
| 20:24.08 | End | I copied some premades, and it says all but one are done already |
| 20:25.04 | foxlit | too epic for players! |
| 20:26.06 | foxlit | Tirion is one of the cooler NPCs, though |
| 20:26.27 | End | true, Tirion oozes with cool. |
| 20:26.41 | End | <3 that quest |
| 20:26.45 | End | line |
| 20:28.19 | zenzelezz | aye |
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| 20:39.46 | Cidan | well, power outages suck. |
| 20:40.40 | zenzelezz | true |
| 20:41.59 | Cidan | in a way, I feel bad, because I'm taking up my girlfriend's space with this computer, but she kept on insisting I bring it over, but but... :( |
| 20:42.08 | Cidan | I feel like I'm in her way or something. |
| 20:42.25 | zenzelezz | you just lost your computer |
| 20:42.28 | Thunder_Child | get her her own then |
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| 20:42.46 | Cidan | oh she has a killer laptop, top of the line Vaio |
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| 20:43.04 | Thunder_Child | isnt the same |
| 20:43.09 | Thunder_Child | you should know that |
| 20:43.30 | Cidan | true, but I won't be using this PC all the time anyways |
| 20:43.31 | Lunessa | Things will never be the same. Change is the only constant in the universe. |
| 20:44.20 | Cidan | You know, I should really just buy PCI wireless cards for all my computers |
| 20:44.40 | Cidan | So I can store them all away |
| 20:46.02 | Thunder_Child | i would, the way i have my system set up there is no physical interaction nedded |
| 20:46.39 | Cidan | well I have two servers running, they don't need monitors, keyboards, etc. |
| 20:46.46 | Lunessa | Right. |
| 20:47.27 | Cidan | so if I get wireless cards for those two, I can literally just plug them into an outlett |
| 20:47.28 | Thunder_Child | my main system could be in a closet somewhere |
| 20:47.50 | Thunder_Child | i just dont seem to use physical media anymore |
| 20:47.59 | Kaydeethree | meh, I've got a wireless mouse and keyboard, all I'd need would be monitor/speaker cable extenders and I could get the space heater that is my case out of my room |
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| 20:49.27 | Cide | I think we need wireless monitors. |
| 20:49.29 | Cidan | Now to try Tabula Rasa on this computer, uwehehehe |
| 20:49.52 | Lunessa | My problem is that I can never get a completely comfortable solution for pointing, keyboard, and distance from screen - I want fewer wires, more mobility, and less hardware to move around if I want to change position. |
| 20:50.15 | Cidan | I agree |
| 20:50.27 | Cidan | my issue is that wireless keyboards/mice are too slow for me |
| 20:50.34 | Cidan | they have this slight lag that drives me nuts |
| 20:50.57 | Kaydeethree | what are you using? the cheapo logitech set I bought from target's lag is unnoticable for me |
| 20:51.01 | Lopeppeppy | And oh, the battery changes at inopportune times. |
| 20:51.17 | Cidan | I don't use one, I use a G11 right now |
| 20:51.33 | Lunessa | I use a trackball. It's really comfortable. but if I want to move away from the desk and still play WoW, I have reconfigure my entire room. |
| 20:51.54 | Cidan | I remember when I used to use a trackball. Man, I should get one again. |
| 20:51.56 | Lopeppeppy | I've been considering one of those upright mice... |
| 20:52.02 | JoshBorke | don't |
| 20:52.08 | JoshBorke | they are very difficult to become accustomed to |
| 20:52.16 | JoshBorke | and you lose all those fun extra buttons |
| 20:52.20 | Cidan | what, upright mice or trackball? |
| 20:52.24 | JoshBorke | upright mice |
| 20:52.31 | Lopeppeppy | But my very bad shoulder will thank me for the change in position, I think. |
| 20:52.39 | JoshBorke | perhaps |
| 20:52.51 | Lunessa | Trackball is the bomb. If I had to use a mouse, I'd have had to change careers in the 90s. |
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| 20:53.07 | Kaydeethree | meh, I want to get an extremely ergonomically-tested mouse design: based on a handgun |
| 20:53.12 | Lopeppeppy | I used trackballs in college, haven't tried one in a long long time. |
| 20:53.19 | Lopeppeppy | I just want a handgun... |
| 20:53.39 | Lopeppeppy | That so does not count, my friend. |
| 20:53.47 | Kaydeethree | nah, but still fun |
| 20:53.48 | Lopeppeppy | My shotgun is at my brother's house, and I mourn the loss. |
| 20:54.22 | Lunessa | I use: http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/mice_pointers/trackballs/devices/166&cl=us,en |
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| 20:55.01 | Cidan | I've always wanted like, a split keyboard upright. I mean literally two halfs that don't connect, and are upright and attached to something like my armchair |
| 20:55.11 | Cidan | that would be so, so comfy for me |
| 20:55.23 | zenzelezz | thought there were some keyboard gloves |
| 20:55.25 | JoshBorke | it exists |
| 20:55.28 | Cidan | or maybe on arms that I could rotate |
| 20:55.35 | JoshBorke | cidan: said keyboard exists (upright halves) |
| 20:55.40 | Cidan | oh ho? |
| 20:55.42 | Cidan | where? |
| 20:55.45 | JoshBorke | not attached to your armchair though |
| 20:55.58 | Cidan | well I can hack them onto moveable arms |
| 20:56.24 | Cidan | this way I can join them infront of me if I want, but also split them |
| 20:56.43 | Lopeppeppy | I like the hacking-to-bits part. |
| 20:56.59 | Lopeppeppy | But before new mouse comes new video card. Mine is sucky, I'm upgrading. |
| 20:57.34 | Cidan | upgrading your video card always sucks |
| 20:57.37 | Cidan | because you're like |
| 20:57.38 | JoshBorke | http://www.safetype.com/ |
| 20:57.45 | Cidan | "just 30 more dollars and I can get..." |
| 20:57.47 | Rallion | i have an 8800 woo |
| 20:57.52 | Cidan | as do I |
| 20:58.04 | JoshBorke | http://www.safetype.com/safetype-mouse.htm is the mouse i used |
| 20:58.09 | Lunessa | To recap - Lopeppeppy likes cats, computer games, shotguns, red heads and cookies. Have I missed any salient items? |
| 20:58.09 | Rallion | lol, Cidan, yes. so very yes. |
| 20:58.20 | Cide | "World's Best-Selling Vertical Keyboard" - the only? |
| 20:58.23 | JoshBorke | porn, lots and lots of porn |
| 20:59.08 | Kaydeethree | like the net is used for anything else? |
| 20:59.15 | Lopeppeppy | Peppy IS the redhead, Lunessa. Got that part a bit mixed up. |
| 20:59.16 | Cairenn | ~for porn |
| 20:59.17 | purl | http://www.infested.dk/uploads/Forporn.avi |
| 20:59.35 | Cairenn | <== is the redhead too |
| 20:59.44 | Kaydeethree | bah, someone needs to refind that vid, purl's link is dead |
| 20:59.45 | JoshBorke | ~whistle Cairenn |
| 20:59.59 | Cidan | <3 Red head |
| 21:00.09 | Cidan | brown hair//green eyes, :D |
| 21:00.41 | Cairenn | hazel eyes that change colour depending on my mood |
| 21:00.54 | Lunessa | Oh, the shot from Blizzcon is all the evidence one needs to convict Cairenn of the crime of heart-breaking. |
| 21:00.56 | Cidan | mine turn hazel-ish when it rains |
| 21:01.02 | BigRedPimp | is there anything in the API that can tell me if an item is used for rep or is that purely a "make your own item list and check against it" thing? |
| 21:01.04 | Cidan | Oh? |
| 21:01.06 | Cidan | Is that so? |
| 21:01.22 | Rallion | i have no idea what color my eyes are, they seem to be different every time I look in a mirror |
| 21:01.23 | Cidan | I think you have to check it against your own list |
| 21:01.46 | Lunessa | BigRedPimp: You have to build a list. There is not API which will tell you what an item is used for. You can also can the tooltip |
| 21:01.47 | JoshBorke | BigRedPimp: make your own |
| 21:02.03 | BigRedPimp | ok, guess that means I'll go with plan B |
| 21:02.33 | BigRedPimp | I'm working on an addon that adds functionality to the rep frame |
| 21:03.08 | BigRedPimp | right now, I can shift-click each faction and have it send stats to the last used chat channel |
| 21:03.20 | Cidan | Next year, I shall go to this "Blizzcon", if they have one. I should have gone to otakon, :/ |
| 21:03.38 | JoshBorke | there won't be one next year |
| 21:03.43 | Cairenn | year after |
| 21:03.47 | JoshBorke | oh btw, what is the beta for! |
| 21:03.48 | Cairenn | most likely |
| 21:03.57 | sag_ich_nicht | JoshBorke i guess that nobody knows yet. |
| 21:03.59 | Thunder_Child | expansion is my guess |
| 21:04.10 | Thunder_Child | would prefer SC2 though |
| 21:04.11 | JoshBorke | you mean you weren't told? o.O |
| 21:04.18 | Cidan | nope |
| 21:04.26 | Kaydeethree | thought they said something at the sc panel that it was going to be for whichever of the two games gets to beta-stage first |
| 21:04.39 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 21:04.41 | Cidan | dear god I hope it's SC2 |
| 21:04.53 | Rallion | lol me too |
| 21:05.09 | Cidan | I mean, Warcraft is a great IP |
| 21:05.17 | Thunder_Child | ofc, because all of the UI devs get into it anyways |
| 21:05.22 | Cidan | But so help me God, if I don't get more Starcraft soon... |
| 21:05.39 | Rallion | you're about to overload your aggression inhibitors? |
| 21:05.45 | Cidan | Quite so. |
| 21:05.45 | Thunder_Child | >< |
| 21:06.06 | Lunessa | Dear god, please make game developers make good TURN-based-Strategy games, and make RTS die. Thank you. |
| 21:06.15 | Thunder_Child | there is |
| 21:06.16 | Rallion | Lunessa, I like both. |
| 21:06.29 | Lunessa | I litterally can not play RTS |
| 21:06.30 | Thunder_Child | it's called civ |
| 21:06.32 | Cidan | some RTS is okay, ie: Age of Empires. |
| 21:06.32 | Cide | I prefer RTS |
| 21:06.43 | Thunder_Child | but that doesnt mean you should take it away from the rest of us |
| 21:06.47 | Rallion | I liked the newest C&C a lot |
| 21:06.58 | Cidan | The newest C&C was decent |
| 21:07.05 | Cidan | oh oh, and Dawn of War |
| 21:07.06 | Valaron|Work | Starcraft II! |
| 21:07.11 | Rallion | Dawn of War! |
| 21:07.12 | Lunessa | I only want RTS to go away because it has meant that the only TBS I can get at all is Civ. |
| 21:07.19 | Cidan | DoW is a reallllly good RTS. |
| 21:07.27 | Rallion | Dawn of War has a problem with the defenses being too powerful, though, IMO |
| 21:07.35 | Cidan | lolwut? |
| 21:07.45 | Cidan | Those rickety old things? |
| 21:08.01 | Cidan | The only ones that *might* be overpowered are the Ork Waaagh! banners |
| 21:08.01 | Rallion | yeah, if there's one. |
| 21:08.27 | Rallion | I fought off one of the Chaos superunits with my defensive structures |
| 21:08.31 | Valaron|Work | Turned based? Tried out the Might and Magic series? |
| 21:08.38 | Rallion | Might and Magic! |
| 21:08.46 | Cidan | M&M is excellent too |
| 21:08.55 | Rallion | i have to admit, as a rule, I love. love. love. turn based games |
| 21:08.56 | Thunder_Child | old though |
| 21:09.04 | Thunder_Child | long in the tooth etc. |
| 21:09.11 | Cidan | so try HOMM5 |
| 21:09.18 | Thunder_Child | is not MNM |
| 21:09.20 | Cidan | I know |
| 21:09.25 | Cidan | but it's still turned based fun |
| 21:09.36 | Lunessa | I haven't tried HOMM5 yet |
| 21:09.38 | Rallion | You know what game I loved? Master of Magic. |
| 21:09.56 | Lunessa | I played WAY too much Master of Magic. |
| 21:10.02 | Thunder_Child | fav TBS of all times is still civ2 |
| 21:10.40 | Cidan | Civ2 was great |
| 21:10.45 | Cidan | old though |
| 21:10.48 | Cidan | long in the tooth etc. |
| 21:10.50 | Cidan | ;P |
| 21:10.53 | Lunessa | I have played every incarnation of Civ, including beta-testing for Civ II. I even got to help review the Civ II manual. :) |
| 21:11.26 | Thunder_Child | nice |
| 21:11.45 | Lunessa | I love tthe Civ line. I still lose entire weekends in a single large game. |
| 21:12.15 | Cidan | my girlfriend and I play every week |
| 21:12.17 | Cidan | Civ 4 that is |
| 21:12.26 | Cidan | on our laptops laying in bed. |
| 21:12.26 | zenzelezz | Civ II manual... that 10 kg log of wood? |
| 21:13.06 | Lunessa | The manual sucks. I was only allowed to comment on accuracy of technical information, and I only got to see it 2 weeks before shipping. |
| 21:13.15 | Lunessa | But I at least got to comment. :P |
| 21:13.30 | Lopeppeppy | Just the chance at that is precious. |
| 21:16.05 | Cidan | The only thing I got to comment on in my life was some art direction on Vanguard: Saga of Heroes |
| 21:16.11 | Cidan | Clearly, no one listened. |
| 21:16.25 | Lunessa | Haha. |
| 21:16.50 | Lunessa | I used to do technical editing as a side-job when I was a programmer for a large (and largely reviled) internet company. |
| 21:17.16 | Thunder_Child | i dont even want to know |
| 21:17.18 | Cidan | Poor Brad, it only took 2-3 million dollars for him to go ape-shit insane and get hopped up on drugs. |
| 21:17.19 | Lunessa | aaaaaahhhh - ah! Do you come from the land of the ice and snow? |
| 21:17.28 | Lopeppeppy | I do, Lunessa. I truly do. |
| 21:17.36 | Lunessa | But you have red hair. |
| 21:17.59 | Lopeppeppy | http://www.dennyweb.com/viking_kittens.htm |
| 21:18.06 | Thunder_Child | red haird vikings? |
| 21:18.14 | Lopeppeppy | Exploration leads to varied breeding, Lunessa. |
| 21:18.20 | Thunder_Child | wtb spellin |
| 21:18.22 | Thunder_Child | ing* |
| 21:18.46 | Lunessa | I know, I know. The Rus & Nords spead those genes far and widde. |
| 21:18.58 | Lopeppeppy | As ye sow.... so it grows. |
| 21:20.11 | Lunessa | Remember lads, it's rape, pillage, kill THEN burn. |
| 21:20.14 | Cidan | red hair == my weakness |
| 21:20.34 | Cidan | all a lady has to do is *mention* she has red hair, and I will pretty much be their bitch. |
| 21:20.43 | Cide | Cidan: I have red hair. |
| 21:20.48 | Cide | now go make me a sandwich. |
| 21:20.54 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 21:20.57 | Cidan | lol |
| 21:21.01 | Cide | for I am hungry |
| 21:21.02 | Cidan | You're a bit far, aren't you? |
| 21:21.04 | Lunessa | Well, we know you're someone's bitch now. |
| 21:21.08 | JoshBorke | cide: he mentioned lady |
| 21:21.13 | JoshBorke | cide: you're far from a lady |
| 21:21.15 | Cide | JoshBorke: pshh |
| 21:21.24 | Cidan | Psh, women rule my life. |
| 21:21.34 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Shirik (i=nospam@216.164.192.153) |
| 21:21.39 | Cidan | Hi Shirik |
| 21:21.40 | Cidan | :D |
| 21:21.45 | Cidan | or should I say... SKULLS |
| 21:21.57 | Shirik | >.> |
| 21:21.59 | Cairenn | Shirik? |
| 21:22.02 | Shirik | I need to not be on gmail at work I think |
| 21:22.05 | Cidan | yeah |
| 21:22.07 | Cidan | I IM'd you |
| 21:22.08 | Cidan | twice. |
| 21:22.16 | Cidan | and I told you Cairenn was after you |
| 21:22.18 | Cidan | :P |
| 21:22.26 | Cairenn | hey! I'm not that heavy, sheesh! |
| 21:22.30 | Shirik | I think you haxed her account |
| 21:22.34 | Shirik | oh no wait, that's something she'd say |
| 21:22.34 | Shirik | ok |
| 21:22.45 | Cidan | Also, I've been talking with the guys and gals here Shirik... |
| 21:22.51 | Shirik | uh oh |
| 21:22.51 | Cidan | I think we should port RDX to ACE. |
| 21:22.52 | Lunessa | She's not heavy she's our moderator. |
| 21:22.55 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Shirik (i=nospam@216.164.192.153) |
| 21:22.58 | Cidan | ROFL |
| 21:23.12 | Cairenn | he's discovered you really are the pussy he thought you were all this time |
| 21:23.15 | Cairenn | oh, nm, he's gone |
| 21:23.19 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 21:23.19 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Shirik (i=nospam@216.164.192.153) |
| 21:23.24 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 21:23.36 | Cidan | :D |
| 21:23.36 | Shirik | Cidan I'm never talking to you again |
| 21:23.39 | Cidan | rofl |
| 21:23.40 | Cidan | hahahaha |
| 21:23.51 | Cairenn | and he even missed what I just said! |
| 21:23.52 | AnduinLothar | ok blood elf pallies are OP. i haven't had to heal or drink once and i'm lvl 4 |
| 21:23.53 | Thunder_Child | haha |
| 21:24.04 | Shirik | AnduinLothar: Priests are more :P |
| 21:24.04 | AnduinLothar | i remember having to heal and drink lvling a human pally |
| 21:24.18 | Shirik | tack on consume magic |
| 21:24.24 | Thunder_Child | that was beautiful Cidan |
| 21:24.33 | Shirik | =( Cairenn |
| 21:24.37 | Shirik | ~logs |
| 21:24.37 | purl | [logs] apt/ibot/infobot/jbot/purl all log daily to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz |
| 21:24.37 | Cidan | I've been planning it since earlier today |
| 21:24.38 | Rallion | lol priests for the first few levels are hilarious with their OP-ness |
| 21:24.47 | nevcairiel | wait with lvl 4 .. dont you reg like instantly all your mana anyway ? :P |
| 21:24.48 | Lunessa | On Lunessa, people in raids keep asking me if i need time to drink... I'm all 'lolwut?" Mana regen is pretty sweet at 70. |
| 21:24.53 | Cidan | Shirik: hope I didn't get you in trouble at work, :/ |
| 21:24.56 | Shirik | heh no |
| 21:25.02 | Shirik | besides, what trouble could I get in |
| 21:25.05 | Shirik | I'm leaving wednesday |
| 21:25.09 | Cidan | Good, because I was lying, I don't really care. |
| 21:25.13 | AnduinLothar | at lvl 4 i have 200 mana |
| 21:25.14 | Shirik | =( |
| 21:25.15 | Cairenn | lol |
| 21:25.32 | Shirik | wtf is this about Cairenn |
| 21:25.35 | Shirik | waiting for me |
| 21:25.43 | Cairenn | PM |
| 21:25.44 | Shirik | pouncing on me |
| 21:26.02 | Shirik | oh, you couldn't wait for that huh.. |
| 21:26.07 | Cidan | woah |
| 21:26.29 | Cairenn | oh baby, you know it |
| 21:26.29 | Shirik | ;O |
| 21:26.30 | Cidan | Way to go buddy. |
| 21:26.30 | Shirik | ;P |
| 21:26.30 | Lopeppeppy | When you've got it, flaunt it. When you don't, grovel. |
| 21:26.32 | Cidan | That's a good JORRRBBB there homestar. |
| 21:27.06 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Shirik (i=nospam@216.164.192.153) |
| 21:28.52 | Cidan | and then... all was silent. |
| 21:29.01 | Cairenn | sorry, too busy cybering now |
| 21:29.06 | Cidan | gotcha |
| 21:29.22 | Cidan | Well hey, he doesn't live too far from me now |
| 21:29.38 | Lunessa | ... I guess I'd better grovel. |
| 21:29.39 | Cidan | likely only an hour or two when he comes back up home to his parents |
| 21:29.55 | Cidan | So I'll be sure to say "hi" to him for you |
| 21:30.00 | Cairenn | :) |
| 21:30.01 | Cidan | eh?! EH?! |
| 21:30.02 | Lopeppeppy | Ummmm....hmmmmm. |
| 21:30.40 | Cairenn | joking aside, just needed to talk to him about the updater :p |
| 21:30.54 | Cidan | Yar, I figured that out like 4 hours ago |
| 21:30.55 | Cidan | :P |
| 21:31.42 | Cairenn | :) |
| 21:31.45 | JoshBorke | zomg! updater! |
| 21:31.49 | Cairenn | shhhh |
| 21:31.59 | Cairenn | :) |
| 21:32.01 | foxlit | What's the easiest way to do a base 10->16 conversion in lua? |
| 21:32.17 | Cidan | hmm |
| 21:32.26 | Lunessa | I need a cheeseburger. |
| 21:32.28 | JoshBorke | foxlit: string.format("%x", number) or whatever the format is |
| 21:32.29 | Cairenn | Kirkburn: who all was at supper with us on Sat from Wikia? |
| 21:32.30 | Thunder_Child | wasnt there supposed to be a wowi updater? |
| 21:32.41 | foxlit | JoshBorke: thanks ) |
| 21:32.44 | Kirkburn | MatthewS and Kaydeethree |
| 21:32.57 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Shirik (i=nospam@216.164.192.153) |
| 21:33.00 | Shirik | when did I leave o.o |
| 21:33.02 | Cairenn | there were 4 of you |
| 21:33.25 | Cairenn | (5:24:45 PM) Shirik: wtf is this about Cairenn |
| 21:33.25 | Cairenn | (5:24:47 PM) Shirik: waiting for me |
| 21:33.25 | Cairenn | (5:24:55 PM) Cairenn: PM |
| 21:33.25 | Cairenn | (5:24:56 PM) Shirik: pouncing on me |
| 21:33.25 | Cairenn | (5:25:14 PM) Shirik: oh, you couldn't wait for that huh.. |
| 21:33.25 | Cairenn | (5:25:19 PM) Cidan: woah |
| 21:33.27 | Cairenn | (5:25:21 PM) Cairenn: oh baby, you know it |
| 21:33.29 | Cairenn | (5:25:21 PM) Shirik: ;O |
| 21:33.31 | Cairenn | (5:25:23 PM) Cidan: Way to go buddy. |
| 21:33.33 | Cairenn | (5:25:24 PM) Shirik: ;P |
| 21:33.35 | Cairenn | (5:25:40 PM) ***JoshBorke is jealous |
| 21:33.37 | Kirkburn | Spammer! |
| 21:33.37 | Cairenn | (5:25:41 PM) Lopeppeppy: When you've got it, flaunt it. When you don't, grovel. |
| 21:33.39 | Cairenn | (5:25:44 PM) Cidan: That's a good JORRRBBB there homestar. |
| 21:33.41 | Cairenn | (5:26:18 PM) Shirik left the room. |
| 21:33.49 | Cairenn | Kirkburn: who was the 4th? |
| 21:33.57 | Kirkburn | I'm not sure >< |
| 21:34.01 | Cairenn | you, MatthewS, Kaydeethree ... ? |
| 21:34.02 | Kirkburn | Shall ask |
| 21:34.03 | Shirik | Cairenn has to kick herself imo |
| 21:34.09 | Cidan | '[W]e will continue to explore our options with respect to how we move forward from here,' SCO said in a public statement issued in a futile attempt to calm investors. SCO's stock price has fallen 70 percent during trading today, reaching a 52-week low. |
| 21:34.12 | *** kick/#wowi-lounge [Cairenn!n=Cairenn@MMOI/Administratrix/Cairenn] by Cairenn (Cairenn) |
| 21:34.15 | Shirik | woot |
| 21:34.16 | Thunder_Child | lol |
| 21:34.17 | Cidan | hah |
| 21:34.22 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 21:34.23 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Cairenn (n=Cairenn@MMOI/Administratrix/Cairenn) |
| 21:34.24 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+o Cairenn] by ChanServ |
| 21:34.27 | Kirkburn | Partay! |
| 21:34.32 | Kirkburn | >_> |
| 21:34.33 | Shirik | hai Cairenn |
| 21:34.35 | Shirik | we missed you |
| 21:34.36 | Kirkburn | <_< |
| 21:34.36 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 21:34.38 | Kirkburn | <_> |
| 21:34.38 | Cidan | don't lie |
| 21:34.47 | Shirik | btw Cidan |
| 21:34.49 | Cidan | sup |
| 21:34.53 | Kirkburn | Well, Tusva was at Blizzcon, but I don't think he was at the dinner |
| 21:34.53 | Shirik | I never want to do a domain transfer ever |
| 21:34.55 | Shirik | ever again |
| 21:34.56 | Cidan | hah |
| 21:34.57 | Thunder_Child | wasnt there 5 wiki guys...2 left side of the table Kirkburn on the right and 2 in the bar? |
| 21:35.03 | Cidan | about that, how did it go? |
| 21:35.14 | Shirik | still waiting on an auth code from the current registrar |
| 21:35.16 | Shirik | other than that we're set |
| 21:35.20 | Cidan | good, good |
| 21:35.41 | Shirik | I had to send a support ticket to dyndns though |
| 21:35.45 | Shirik | get this: |
| 21:35.46 | Cidan | howcomeso? |
| 21:35.58 | Kirkburn | Am checking to see if I'm wrong |
| 21:36.28 | Shirik | "Your current registrar uses non-standard formatting for their WHOIS so |
| 21:36.29 | Shirik | the data for your domain had to be entered manually, which I have done |
| 21:36.29 | Shirik | for you. You should receive the email at |
| 21:36.34 | Shirik | (That was their response) |
| 21:36.34 | Kirkburn | lol, 70% down ... impressive |
| 21:36.57 | Cidan | yeah, I noticed that when I did the whois |
| 21:37.01 | Shirik | Since they send an email to the whois admin |
| 21:37.02 | Cidan | didn't think it would be an issue though |
| 21:37.24 | Shirik | Which is us, but we never got the email until they sent it manually >< |
| 21:37.36 | Cidan | doh |
| 21:37.42 | Shirik | So we finally got that, but still need the auth code from bluehost |
| 21:37.48 | Shirik | which I doubt they'll be fast with |
| 21:38.04 | Cidan | well, look on the bright side; you'll never have to do it again. |
| 21:38.09 | Shirik | yeah seriously |
| 21:38.45 | Cidan | I've been using dyndns since it was pretty much opened |
| 21:38.52 | Cidan | <3 them |
| 21:39.17 | Shirik | lol |
| 21:39.26 | Shirik | I tried to whois you, just out of curiosity to see what it's supposed to look like |
| 21:39.34 | Shirik | [whois.tucows.com] |
| 21:39.34 | Shirik | IP Address: 128.121.95.55 |
| 21:39.35 | Shirik | Maximum Daily connection limit reached. Lookup refused. |
| 21:40.24 | Cidan | er... |
| 21:40.28 | Cidan | something isn't right... |
| 21:40.33 | Cidan | I can't SSH into my server |
| 21:40.42 | Kirkburn | Cairenn, aha! |
| 21:40.47 | Cairenn | hmm? |
| 21:40.49 | Kirkburn | Overmind, the SC guy |
| 21:40.52 | Cairenn | ah |
| 21:41.06 | Shirik | on the other hand, I got SSH today, finally |
| 21:41.15 | Shirik | now that I don't need it |
| 21:41.54 | Cairenn | SC? |
| 21:41.57 | Kirkburn | StarCraft |
| 21:41.58 | Cairenn | starcraft? |
| 21:42.00 | Cairenn | heh |
| 21:42.05 | Kirkburn | =) |
| 21:42.12 | Shirik | spawn more overlords |
| 21:42.27 | Kirkburn | He played the demo stations many many times |
| 21:42.46 | Cidan | mmm, overlords... |
| 21:43.11 | Lopeppeppy | Spawn more overlord.s |
| 21:43.20 | Kirkburn | Cairenn, you may be pleased to know my photo didn't come out properly :( |
| 21:43.25 | Rallion | additional supply depots required? |
| 21:43.31 | Cairenn | awww :( |
| 21:43.32 | Kirkburn | Bloody sprinklers >< |
| 21:43.40 | Cidan | how cool is it that supply depots can now sink? |
| 21:43.44 | Kaydeethree | I didn't get any from dinner, but I've got the group shots after the UI panel |
| 21:43.45 | Rallion | very |
| 21:43.50 | Shirik | /msg Kirkburn good, now that she thinks that the photo didn't come out, be sure to send me a copy |
| 21:43.53 | Shirik | mt >.> |
| 21:44.05 | Thunder_Child | lol |
| 21:44.07 | Cidan | lol |
| 21:44.19 | Kirkburn | it's totally not in this album http://picasaweb.google.com/Kirkburn/BlizzCon2007 |
| 21:44.24 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Kyahx (n=Kyahx@74-33-20-171.dsl1.mnd.mn.frontiernet.net) |
| 21:44.30 | Shirik | I totally can't go to that :( |
| 21:44.41 | Cairenn | I STILL need to find out who the heck that oriental looking gentleman was that took all the pics inside the hall after the UI panel |
| 21:44.55 | Thunder_Child | my father |
| 21:45.01 | Kyahx | my mother |
| 21:45.02 | Kirkburn | my son |
| 21:45.07 | Kyahx | same person |
| 21:45.24 | Kirkburn | well I don't know about you, but I'm Thunder_Child's grandfather |
| 21:45.35 | Cidan | scary. |
| 21:45.46 | Thunder_Child | oh...you looked a bit more alive than i am used to seeing you...oh well |
| 21:46.04 | Kirkburn | Oh, I managed to get the dagger out of my back |
| 21:46.15 | Kirkburn | Amazing what doctors can do these days |
| 21:46.32 | Thunder_Child | cool, but i dont think i would feel all that comforatable sitting in your lap nowadays |
| 21:46.39 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Neebler (n=BuM@adsl-75-0-199-45.dsl.chi2ca.sbcglobal.net) |
| 21:46.46 | Kirkburn | no worries, you'll be dead before you reach it |
| 21:47.06 | Shirik | woot, food time |
| 21:47.10 | Thunder_Child | ok, now you lost me |
| 21:47.20 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 21:47.22 | Rallion | i'm still waiting for news on a diablo movie. |
| 21:47.49 | Kirkburn | Zombie kill Thunder_Child |
| 21:47.51 | Cidan | psh |
| 21:47.54 | Kirkburn | MMmmm, brains |
| 21:47.55 | Thunder_Child | ah |
| 21:48.09 | Cidan | table.remove(food, k); |
| 21:48.12 | Kirkburn | Zombie have to explain joke |
| 21:48.16 | Kirkburn | Zombie unhappy |
| 21:48.50 | Kirkburn | Zombie want know how Cairenn write up go! |
| 21:48.57 | Cairenn | slow |
| 21:49.07 | Lopeppeppy | Kirkburn... drink some Game Fuel. |
| 21:49.20 | Rallion | i hate that stuff |
| 21:49.23 | Kirkburn | Zombie not want drink petroleum |
| 21:49.38 | Kirkburn | Why you try set zombie alight with fuel? |
| 21:49.40 | Lunessa | Zombie want braaaaaaains. |
| 21:49.42 | Cairenn | trying to remember who was around me at what various points of the convention |
| 21:49.55 | Lopeppeppy | Brains are distilled into every bottle... |
| 21:49.57 | Rallion | zombie is manace to society! |
| 21:50.01 | Cairenn | I spent more of it ducking in and out of things answering my cell phone ... |
| 21:50.05 | Rallion | er, menace. |
| 21:50.21 | Lunessa | Cairenn: No, you want plausible denyability. |
| 21:50.40 | Lunessa | I have no clear recollection of those events Congressman. |
| 21:50.50 | Kyahx | http://addictordie.com/games/cursorinvisible.php |
| 21:50.53 | Kyahx | Addicting o.O |
| 21:51.05 | JoshBorke | and...i've won |
| 21:51.11 | Kirkburn | Reals hugs >>> net hugs :P |
| 21:51.33 | Kirkburn | No, wait, that doesn't console you at all :/ |
| 21:51.36 | foxlit | What the heck are you supposed to do? |
| 21:51.43 | Cidan | http://finance.google.com/finance?q=scox |
| 21:51.44 | Cairenn | net hugs >>> no hugs |
| 21:51.55 | Kyahx | It makes the cursor invisible, and your suppose to keep click on the plates to smash them |
| 21:52.01 | Kyahx | as soon as you miss, you loose |
| 21:52.05 | Kyahx | lose*! |
| 21:52.19 | JoshBorke | damn |
| 21:52.20 | JoshBorke | 69 |
| 21:52.24 | Kyahx | :( |
| 21:52.25 | foxlit | I suppose using a trackpad is cheating |
| 21:52.30 | Cidan | 52 |
| 21:52.51 | Rallion | i think the real cheat would be using a touchscreen |
| 21:53.25 | Kirkburn | I can't play it :( |
| 21:53.32 | Kirkburn | Linux won't let me install flash |
| 21:53.40 | Kyahx | ?? |
| 21:53.41 | Cide | 202 |
| 21:53.42 | Kyahx | Why not? |
| 21:53.42 | Kirkburn | Cause apparently there ain't no 64-bit flash |
| 21:53.49 | Kyahx | So install a 32 bit version |
| 21:53.52 | Cide | first try... |
| 21:53.56 | Cide | took too long |
| 21:54.00 | Kirkburn | Which requires a 32-bit Firefox |
| 21:54.14 | Kyahx | Augh, I suck at this |
| 21:54.15 | foxlit | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_SetupFullscreenScale |
| 21:54.16 | Kyahx | I get like...16 |
| 21:54.19 | *** join/#wowi-lounge GofG (n=Gofg@cpe-069-134-153-189.nc.res.rr.com) |
| 21:54.19 | foxlit | hey, that's not API |
| 21:54.25 | JoshBorke | lol Kyahx |
| 21:54.32 | Cide | do I win? 202? |
| 21:54.37 | Kyahx | I think so :( |
| 21:54.41 | Cidan | 228 |
| 21:54.46 | Kyahx | :O |
| 21:54.47 | Cidan | second try |
| 21:54.48 | Cide | boo. |
| 21:54.55 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 21:54.58 | Cide | first try for me :/ you got 52 on first? |
| 21:55.09 | Cidan | yerp, my hand slipped |
| 21:55.10 | zenzelezz | this Cidan/Cide thing is confuzzling me again |
| 21:55.18 | Cide | >>> 228/52 |
| 21:55.18 | Cide | Cide: 4.3846153846154 |
| 21:55.21 | zenzelezz | too similar to read fast |
| 21:55.38 | foxlit | color their nicks |
| 21:55.47 | Cidan | I'll color YOUR nicks! |
| 21:55.52 | Cide | so you got ~4.4x the score second try |
| 21:55.53 | Cidan | or... something. |
| 21:55.56 | Cide | putting me at... |
| 21:56.00 | Cide | >>> 202*228/52 |
| 21:56.01 | Cide | Cide: 885.69230769231 |
| 21:56.01 | zenzelezz | I strip colors from incoming messages, no way I'm messing up the cleanness by coloring nicks |
| 21:56.05 | Cide | 885. I win. |
| 21:56.20 | Cidan | lolwut? |
| 21:56.26 | Lunessa | tldr |
| 21:56.52 | Cide | 202 * 4.38... = 855 |
| 21:57.07 | Cide | research shows that you get 4.38x your first score on the second attempt! |
| 21:57.17 | foxlit | faulty research! |
| 21:57.25 | foxlit | I got 0 on my second attempt! |
| 21:57.29 | Cidan | lol |
| 21:57.54 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Shirik (i=nospam@209-122-217-221.s221.apx1.atn.pa.dialup.rcn.com) |
| 21:57.57 | Cidan | you go ahead and do 855 |
| 21:58.01 | Cidan | on your second try |
| 21:58.02 | Cidan | :P |
| 21:58.05 | Bleeter | Kirkburn: to get 32bit flash on 64bit FF, http://gwenole.beauchesne.info/projects/nspluginwrapper/ |
| 21:58.16 | Bleeter | *flash working |
| 21:58.39 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Kyahx (n=Kyahx@74-33-20-171.dsl1.mnd.mn.frontiernet.net) |
| 21:59.23 | nevcairiel | that game is like hypnotizing.. |
| 21:59.31 | nevcairiel | stupid black/white flashing :P |
| 21:59.34 | Shirik | cnn = noobs |
| 21:59.43 | Shirik | Watching the little headliners at the bottom |
| 21:59.47 | Shirik | They wrote "of" instead of "or" |
| 21:59.50 | Kyahx | I wonder if its easier when it's a smaller window |
| 21:59.51 | Shirik | pathetic. |
| 22:00.29 | Cidan | That's hardly their worst mistake |
| 22:00.45 | Shirik | I know, but it just happened :P |
| 22:01.49 | Kirkburn | Bleeter, will try it on the PC in my apt :) |
| 22:02.15 | Cidan | I can't wait to be rid of this RDX |
| 22:02.23 | Cidan | bloated pos, bleh, :P |
| 22:02.31 | Shirik | heh |
| 22:02.45 | Cidan | well, more VFL rather than RDX, but all the same |
| 22:02.45 | *** join/#wowi-lounge bindi (i=indigo@d54C68C7E.access.telenet.be) |
| 22:02.52 | Shirik | I blame the author >.> <.< |
| 22:03.06 | Cidan | Yeah! |
| 22:03.08 | Bleeter | Kirkburn: will get your new bosses to beat up Adobe by using your home PC as a mallet? I totally agree with that course of action ;) |
| 22:03.11 | Cidan | wait... wait what? |
| 22:03.12 | Cidan | :( |
| 22:03.22 | Kirkburn | Bleeter, lol |
| 22:03.25 | Cidan | I say we keep the new name at Conspiracy |
| 22:03.48 | Shirik | bleh |
| 22:03.50 | Bleeter | heh, each time I see VFL I can't help but think of meat pies and biffo |
| 22:03.59 | Cidan | er... |
| 22:04.02 | Cidan | say whar? |
| 22:04.03 | Shirik | bleh, you didn't put your name in Root.lua, Cidan |
| 22:04.03 | Cidan | what? |
| 22:04.10 | Shirik | I was going to quote the "authors" |
| 22:04.17 | pastamancer | VFL is scary |
| 22:04.21 | Shirik | and point out that my name is absent from it |
| 22:04.29 | Cidan | :P |
| 22:04.32 | Cidan | why is VFL scary? |
| 22:04.43 | Shirik | zero documentation? :P |
| 22:04.47 | Cidan | that aside |
| 22:04.52 | Cidan | it's easy enough to read though |
| 22:04.54 | Bleeter | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VFL |
| 22:04.57 | pastamancer | mostly the utter lack of documentation |
| 22:05.06 | Cidan | Love it or hate it, Veni is a damn good coder. |
| 22:05.08 | Bleeter | though, to be true, there ain't that much biffo these days :( |
| 22:05.09 | pastamancer | but trying to figure out how things fit together |
| 22:05.10 | Shirik | Bleeter >< |
| 22:05.17 | Cidan | lol |
| 22:05.27 | Shirik | Veni definitely knew what he was doing |
| 22:05.34 | Bleeter | 'Bring back the Biff, Bring back the Biff!' |
| 22:06.21 | Cidan | I wonder how many people actually paid for RDX |
| 22:06.43 | GofG | RDX? |
| 22:06.44 | Shirik | They're gonna cry when we release conspiracy :D |
| 22:06.52 | Cidan | Yes, yes they are. |
| 22:07.19 | nevcairiel | you actually walk around in this channel without the hat on? |
| 22:07.26 | Cidan | Seriously |
| 22:07.33 | Cidan | Standard issue. |
| 22:07.49 | Kaydeethree | woo for surprise wiring inaccuracies |
| 22:07.58 | Cidan | Also, Shirik, when are you coming up to this area again? |
| 22:08.07 | Shirik | potentially Wednesday |
| 22:08.09 | Shirik | not entirely sure yet |
| 22:08.13 | Kaydeethree | apparently the upstairs bathrooms share juice with the network adapter |
| 22:08.16 | Cidan | o snap? |
| 22:08.18 | Cidan | where at? |
| 22:08.29 | Shirik | ffx cty, springfield |
| 22:08.34 | KarlThePagan | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6rSfCgp-gc |
| 22:08.44 | KarlThePagan | just some guild advert spam |
| 22:08.48 | Cidan | Nal's and I will come see you |
| 22:09.03 | Shirik | I'm afraid she's going to hurt me :( |
| 22:09.05 | Cidan | fairfax city is not far at all |
| 22:09.08 | Cidan | Naw |
| 22:09.24 | Cidan | Well, maybe a little |
| 22:09.26 | Shirik | clifton is the official city |
| 22:09.34 | Cidan | Ralin came by with no problem |
| 22:09.43 | Cidan | He left here alive |
| 22:09.44 | Lunessa | ... Fairfax, VA? |
| 22:09.45 | Shirik | fairfax county not city :P |
| 22:09.46 | Shirik | I think they're a bit apart |
| 22:09.48 | nevcairiel | KarlThePagan: thats the worst wow movie ive ever seen :P |
| 22:10.00 | Cidan | Oh, county. |
| 22:10.08 | Cidan | We're in Fairfax county too |
| 22:10.14 | Cidan | but the county isn't small, :P |
| 22:10.18 | Shirik | it's not |
| 22:10.24 | KarlThePagan | nevcairiel, :D legendary! worse than I'm a shaman |
| 22:10.27 | Shirik | clifton is in the middle of nowhere, used to live in springfield |
| 22:10.33 | Lunessa | Fairfax County = nearly all of the good parts of Northern VA |
| 22:10.35 | Cidan | either way, not more than 40 minutes to where ever |
| 22:10.39 | Cidan | Lunessa: Yeppers |
| 22:10.41 | Shirik | look up Robert E Lee HS or Robinson HS |
| 22:10.50 | Shirik | my brother goes to Robinson, I went to Lee |
| 22:10.53 | Shirik | that'll give you a feel for where I am |
| 22:10.54 | Cidan | I live like 10 min away from the white house |
| 22:11.05 | Cidan | I can make it from here to the Pentagon in 7 minutes flat |
| 22:11.19 | Lunessa | Cidan, I lived in Manassas and worked in Bailey's Crossing, Reston and Sterling for a lot of years. |
| 22:11.59 | Shirik | Anyway, when I'm sure when I'll be home, I'll let you know, but it's likely sometime this week |
| 22:12.05 | Shirik | unfortunately I have to leave shortly for florida again |
| 22:12.14 | Cidan | psh |
| 22:12.16 | Shirik | classes start the 21st |
| 22:12.23 | Cidan | that's like 15 minutes away |
| 22:12.26 | Cidan | I live just north |
| 22:12.29 | Cidan | on Leesburg Pike |
| 22:12.35 | Cidan | rte 7 |
| 22:12.43 | Shirik | ah fun |
| 22:12.45 | Kaydeethree | lucky you, classes started for us today |
| 22:12.49 | Shirik | what, lee, or robinson? |
| 22:12.55 | Cidan | Lunessa: Where you at now? |
| 22:13.03 | Shirik | or you're talking to Lunessa :( |
| 22:13.04 | Cidan | Robert Lee |
| 22:13.06 | Lunessa | Texas. |
| 22:13.07 | Cidan | both! |
| 22:13.08 | Shirik | ah, cool |
| 22:13.08 | Cidan | akdjaskj |
| 22:13.08 | Cidan | :D |
| 22:14.23 | Cidan | I love how 495 is just a big circle |
| 22:14.42 | Shirik | I love how, right next to RE Lee |
| 22:14.45 | Lopeppeppy | 495 around Boston is a hoot. |
| 22:14.50 | Shirik | They decided to put 495, 395, and 95 |
| 22:14.54 | Shirik | and merge them all together at the same spot |
| 22:15.06 | Lunessa | LOL - try it at rush hour and have to go from 66 to 495 to anything in that traffic. |
| 22:15.12 | Cidan | Yar, I go down that way |
| 22:15.12 | Shirik | I did :P |
| 22:15.20 | Cidan | I was on the inner loop earlier today |
| 22:15.21 | Cidan | not fun |
| 22:15.29 | Cidan | 15 MPH, tops |
| 22:15.29 | Shirik | Dealt with it for about 5 years |
| 22:15.34 | Shirik | while they were doing construction |
| 22:17.40 | Shirik | so, new question |
| 22:17.48 | Shirik | do I yell at Cidan for there being NO COMMITS TO SVN TODAY |
| 22:17.48 | Kaydeethree | 42 |
| 22:17.58 | Shirik | yell at him 42 times, perfect |
| 22:18.27 | Cidan | wtf |
| 22:18.32 | Cidan | Monday is laundry day |
| 22:18.36 | GofG | <3 Cidan |
| 22:18.38 | Lunessa | Cidan That road is a death trap, and I drove it every day for years until we moved to Sterling. |
| 22:18.41 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Punkie` (n=~@host86-138-93-24.range86-138.btcentralplus.com) |
| 22:18.42 | Kaydeethree | oh hell, laundry |
| 22:18.48 | Kaydeethree | knew I forgot something |
| 22:18.50 | Cidan | what, the inner loop? |
| 22:19.42 | Cidan | if it makes you feel better, I've been here for a total of a month and a half, and already got a ticket |
| 22:19.51 | Cidan | turned on red where there was a no turn on red sign posted. |
| 22:19.52 | Cidan | twice. |
| 22:19.59 | Cidan | Totally did not see the sign. |
| 22:20.02 | Cidan | Cop did, though. |
| 22:20.08 | Shirik | I think Veni's only real problem was that he refused to optimize |
| 22:20.08 | GofG | lol |
| 22:20.11 | Shirik | (back to the comments on VFL) |
| 22:20.16 | Lopeppeppy | Of course they did, Cidan. |
| 22:20.17 | Shirik | The memory usage was awesome |
| 22:20.22 | Shirik | The CPU usage, though, not so much |
| 22:20.25 | Lunessa | Yeah, VA cops love their tickets. |
| 22:20.27 | Shirik | Needed more locals, really |
| 22:20.34 | Cidan | it's a tradeoff in a way |
| 22:20.40 | Cidan | like grid iteration |
| 22:20.50 | Shirik | But that's not entirely his fault, partly Blizzard's wrt this/arg1/etc |
| 22:20.51 | Cidan | do you want to wait for GC to collect, or use stateless iteration? |
| 22:21.15 | Cidan | stateless uses more CPU but less memory, and vice versa |
| 22:21.57 | Cidan | and VFL was just so huge... |
| 22:22.21 | Cidan | but I must admit, it's great to work with |
| 22:22.48 | Shirik | it is |
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| 22:23.40 | Cidan | does he even release VFL anymore? |
| 22:24.13 | Shirik | I never knew how to get it in the first place |
| 22:24.37 | JoshBorke | use more memory! |
| 22:24.49 | Cidan | look at this Shirik |
| 22:24.50 | Cidan | http://www.rdx-raid.com/forums?c=showthread&ThreadID=4922 |
| 22:25.17 | Lunessa | Oh yeah |
| 22:25.18 | JoshBorke | seriously, imho, use more memory and less CPU |
| 22:25.36 | Rallion | memory is cheap, CPU isn't |
| 22:25.40 | Kaydeethree | ^ |
| 22:25.51 | Shirik | rdx-raid does not like dialup apparently |
| 22:26.04 | Cidan | well for grid iteration, I'll use more CPU, trust me. :P |
| 22:26.20 | Shirik | I have always been a fan of reduction of CPU time. The problem, however, is users |
| 22:26.22 | Rallion | my WoW performance bottleneck is CPU...because it only utilizes one of two cores :( |
| 22:26.28 | Shirik | Users can see their memory usage easily, they can't see CPU usage |
| 22:26.43 | Shirik | and someone sees a high memory usage and they scream "omfg inefficient /disable" |
| 22:27.06 | Rallion | even though they usually have more than enough memory |
| 22:27.07 | Shirik | Rallion: Blame Windows for that, not WoW |
| 22:27.21 | Rallion | Shirik, I'm not blaming anybody |
| 22:28.10 | Shirik | Veni's only real problem, anyway, is his refusal to use locals |
| 22:28.17 | Shirik | Like, he does it when it makes sense |
| 22:28.17 | Lunessa | Hah... I used roughly 70mb of memory for UI stuff. |
| 22:28.29 | Kaydeethree | eesh |
| 22:28.33 | Shirik | but no "local UnitMana = UnitMana" which could help a lot |
| 22:28.36 | Rallion | I'm at around 70MB on login |
| 22:28.39 | Rallion | i think |
| 22:28.41 | Kaydeethree | I only get that high if auctioneer's doing its scan |
| 22:28.55 | Rallion | huge amount of that is Auctioneer |
| 22:29.03 | Shirik | Cidan: That doesn't surprise me |
| 22:29.07 | Lunessa | I get more if Auctioneer is working its' mojo |
| 22:29.12 | Cairenn | http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/13/sarajevo-cafe-named-club-bill-gates/ |
| 22:29.27 | Rallion | I have Auctioneer always enabled because I like to see how much stuff is worth |
| 22:29.30 | Shirik | I couldn't imagine Veni would continue |
| 22:29.39 | Cidan | Well on page 2 he made a post |
| 22:29.42 | Shirik | but guess what that means |
| 22:29.44 | Cidan | he's just really busy |
| 22:29.50 | Shirik | there's a huge vacuum right now ;) |
| 22:29.52 | Cidan | Either way, more for us. |
| 22:29.53 | Cidan | :P |
| 22:30.02 | Cidan | Grid will be done tonight, I think |
| 22:30.06 | Cidan | if not early tomorrow |
| 22:30.29 | Cidan | after that, I need to do some more to Cell, then we're done with that part |
| 22:30.45 | Cidan | I'll move on to Popup, and that's that |
| 22:30.50 | Cidan | That's when the fun part comes in |
| 22:30.52 | Esamynn | jeez, it's busy in here today |
| 22:30.58 | Cidan | writing our rendering path. |
| 22:31.01 | Esamynn | Cidan: you're talking to yourself again |
| 22:31.10 | Cidan | Crap. |
| 22:31.19 | Cidan | Sorry, stop me when I do that. I type/plan outloud |
| 22:31.29 | Cidan | Bad bad habbit. |
| 22:31.33 | Rallion | eh, 61MB initial memory, actually |
| 22:31.41 | Cidan | Also, it's been busy in here because I talk a lot. :P |
| 22:31.48 | Rallion | 12MB for Auctioneer |
| 22:31.49 | Kaydeethree | meh? far from it. you've got notes of your ramblings when you do that |
| 22:31.51 | Shirik | You still have my MSN |
| 22:31.57 | Shirik | or #rdx |
| 22:32.04 | Shirik | Talk to yourself in one of those two places :P |
| 22:32.06 | Cidan | lol |
| 22:32.27 | Cairenn | bah, we don't care, if no one else is talking |
| 22:32.30 | Cairenn | you know that |
| 22:35.33 | JoshBorke | ~botmail |
| 22:35.45 | Shirik | I love how I created this channel |
| 22:35.49 | Shirik | and I don't have access to change it |
| 22:35.58 | Cidan | ? |
| 22:36.06 | Shirik | 182:342:55 » 12[notice from ChanServ12]: Contact access is required for [LEVEL] |
| 22:36.50 | Shirik | Apparently I'm the only one on the access list, at level 30, and to use the command "LEVEL" you have to be 50 |
| 22:36.52 | JoshBorke | oh noes! |
| 22:37.15 | Esamynn | lol |
| 22:37.22 | Lopeppeppy | Something in the new voice stuff for WoW? Or elsewise? |
| 22:37.44 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:38.31 | Rallion | can anybody recommend a good hosting service? |
| 22:38.52 | Kaydeethree | work's servers? that's all I've been using of late |
| 22:39.00 | Shirik | what's that one Cidan uses |
| 22:39.04 | Cidan | www.westhost.com |
| 22:39.06 | Cidan | best ever. |
| 22:39.16 | Cidan | Bang for buck, they are amazing |
| 22:39.36 | Cidan | no cpanel stuff, all custom written control panel and admin system |
| 22:39.42 | Rallion | ooh |
| 22:39.44 | Cidan | excellent support |
| 22:39.47 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Kyahx (n=Kyahx@74-33-20-171.dsl1.mnd.mn.frontiernet.net) |
| 22:39.55 | Shirik | Cairenn: <3 |
| 22:39.56 | Rallion | i'm convinced already. |
| 22:39.57 | Cidan | VPS hosting, so you have "root" access, per se. |
| 22:40.02 | Shirik | worked perfectly |
| 22:40.05 | Cairenn | Shirik: :) |
| 22:40.10 | Rallion | now I just need to figure out how to cancel my other hosting account... |
| 22:40.12 | Shirik | even if it still said I was 30 and needed 50 >.> |
| 22:40.15 | Shirik | but it worked so w/e :P |
| 22:40.23 | foxlit | Can I use a capture to provide the key to pull value from a table using string.gsub? |
| 22:40.36 | Cairenn | because at that point it is recognizing you as the channel owner, so you have full access to stuff |
| 22:40.43 | Shirik | ah |
| 22:40.44 | foxlit | (Yes, I can) |
| 22:41.01 | Shirik | foxlit: tbl[string.match("foo", ".")] ? |
| 22:41.03 | Cairenn | chan op != chan owner |
| 22:41.12 | foxlit | Shirik: a bit more complex |
| 22:41.15 | Cidan | Yes, this is not EFNet, :P |
| 22:41.33 | foxlit | t, s = {foo="bar"}, "foo: #foo"; |
| 22:41.33 | Shirik | foxlit: Also, string.gsub may be useful |
| 22:41.34 | End | apparently I have a channel I registered with chanserv I can't get rid of because I don't remember the channel admin password |
| 22:41.44 | End | but that was like...3 or 4 years ago |
| 22:41.50 | foxlit | s:gsub("#(foo)", t); |
| 22:41.53 | Cidan | set your email and have it email you the password? |
| 22:42.03 | End | can you actually do that? |
| 22:42.04 | foxlit | "foo: bar" |
| 22:42.05 | End | :O |
| 22:42.06 | Cairenn | talk to the folks at freenode, they'll can it for you if you want |
| 22:42.20 | Kaydeethree | whoa, I'm amazed the chan stayed registered for that long. was it still being used? |
| 22:42.23 | End | I probably -should- talk to them, it's just taking up space :P |
| 22:42.24 | Cidan | I believe so? You can have it email nickserv passes |
| 22:42.25 | End | nope |
| 22:42.35 | foxlit | I think they don't unregister them by default |
| 22:42.38 | End | hasn't been used...since...well, way back then |
| 22:42.45 | End | I think they used to |
| 22:42.46 | foxlit | It's more of a "mark as inactive, then wait for someone to ask" |
| 22:42.55 | End | or they used to say they did |
| 22:43.06 | Kaydeethree | wow. that's novel. every services implementation I've ever seen has been anal about "use it or lose it" |
| 22:43.09 | End | well, the channel doesn't physically exist until someone joins it |
| 22:43.21 | End | but as soon as you do, chanserv jumps in and sets everything |
| 22:43.27 | foxlit | reservation exists, though |
| 22:44.51 | End | Registered: 3 years 28 weeks 1 day (23h 41m 1s) ago |
| 22:45.13 | End | ah, I'm not even the contact |
| 22:45.18 | End | odd |
| 22:45.32 | End | the alternate contact ended up the contact |
| 22:45.56 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Lopeppeppy (n=Lopeppep@cpe-72-230-32-5.nycap.res.rr.com) |
| 22:46.11 | Cidan | nooooooOoOOoOoOOOoolooOopepppppeppppyyyyYyYyY |
| 22:46.17 | Cidan | Okay, I'm done. |
| 22:46.26 | End | Cidan is weird, mmkay |
| 22:46.32 | Cidan | This, I know. |
| 22:46.35 | Cidan | I'm also sexy. |
| 22:46.37 | JoshBorke | ~lart Cid |
| 22:46.37 | purl | moos at Cid |
| 22:46.40 | JoshBorke | ~lart Cidan |
| 22:46.40 | purl | shoves a crumpet down Cidan's throat, happy now?! Huh? Want some JAM with that? |
| 22:46.56 | Valaron|Work | Hmm |
| 22:47.04 | sag_ich_nicht | lol. |
| 22:47.46 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Mike-N-Go (n=MikeNGoS@64.193.93.197) |
| 22:48.47 | *** join/#wowi-lounge End_ (n=end@72.25.151.58) |
| 22:48.55 | End_ | erp, that's not quite what I meant |
| 22:49.10 | End | no, it really isn't |
| 22:49.18 | End_ | that's for sure |
| 22:49.27 | *** part/#wowi-lounge End_ (n=end@72.25.151.58) |
| 22:49.56 | Cidan | http://emoemu.com/cidan.jpg |
| 22:51.48 | Rallion | heh my prior hosting account was set to cancel by somebody named Esteban |
| 22:51.50 | Rallion | I like that |
| 22:51.56 | Cidan | lol |
| 22:51.58 | Rallion | I also like that it took about 8 minutes. |
| 22:52.02 | Rallion | by email. |
| 22:52.14 | Cidan | hope you backed up your site |
| 22:52.20 | Cidan | copied all the data, etc, :P |
| 22:52.24 | Rallion | of course. |
| 22:52.35 | Rallion | everything but the test blog posts. |
| 22:52.45 | Rallion | which...well, those are better off being deleted. |
| 22:53.28 | Rallion | ooh, it actually took 6 minutes, not 8 |
| 22:53.58 | Rallion | but then the tech support was never the problem, the problem was how often I found stuff to just plain not work. |
| 22:54.28 | Cidan | I had this other hosting place |
| 22:54.30 | Rallion | and the techs would reply -- very quickly -- that it would be working soon. |
| 22:54.40 | Cidan | http://www.ionhosting.com/ |
| 22:54.41 | Cidan | pure crap. |
| 22:55.03 | Cidan | they were a reseller, and god they sucked so bad. |
| 22:55.04 | Rallion | but they have shiny server boxen on the front! |
| 22:55.24 | Rallion | I see "ColdFusion MX" on the front page |
| 22:56.04 | Lunessa | boxen! |
| 22:56.21 | Rallion | boxen. |
| 22:56.51 | Rallion | i bought two boxen of donuts. |
| 22:57.05 | Lunessa | The big yellow one is the Sun! |
| 22:57.23 | Rallion | i saw him live |
| 22:57.25 | Rallion | on my birthday |
| 22:57.29 | Rallion | it was awesome. |
| 22:57.33 | Lunessa | Brian Reagan is a funny man. |
| 22:57.51 | Rallion | indeed |
| 22:58.27 | Rallion | it was all new material but he did some of the old stuff at the end |
| 22:58.33 | Rallion | including all the school stuff |
| 22:59.00 | Rallion | cup of dirt ftw. |
| 22:59.13 | Lunessa | it's a cup, with dirt in it. |
| 22:59.47 | Abyissviper | or a dirt like substance lol |
| 23:01.05 | Cidan | am I the only one who lurves Steam? |
| 23:01.09 | Cidan | Everyone I talk to seems to hate it |
| 23:01.29 | Cide | it's great |
| 23:01.49 | Rallion | i love it |
| 23:02.01 | Rallion | I can get games at good prices without even getting up. |
| 23:02.22 | Rallion | I bought the big monster id pack the other day |
| 23:02.33 | Cidan | When it comes out, I challenge you all to a game of TF2, muahahhaha |
| 23:03.02 | Rallion | I never even played TF1! |
| 23:03.13 | Rallion | but I'm way more excited about Portal |
| 23:03.14 | Cidan | better start practicing, :P |
| 23:03.26 | Cide | portal is going to be awesome |
| 23:03.34 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Shirik (i=nospam@216-164-249-245.s499.apx1.atn.pa.dialup.rcn.com) |
| 23:03.34 | Cidan | I heard it's short though |
| 23:03.35 | Cide | biggest reason I'm buying EP2 |
| 23:03.47 | Cide | so what? that's what the map editor is for |
| 23:03.57 | Cidan | For me, I've been waiting for TF2 since like, yeah. A long time. |
| 23:04.06 | Rallion | Narbacular Drop was short too, but I loved it |
| 23:04.31 | BigRedPimp | http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/5295/repmodwipld4.jpg - the list in the center of the frame is temporary. eventually, it'll be a clickable list with extra info |
| 23:05.20 | foxlit | Button:SetAttribute("stateheader", StateHeader); |
| 23:05.32 | foxlit | StateHeader:SetAttribute("state", 2); |
| 23:05.35 | Rallion | neat |
| 23:05.41 | Cidan | very |
| 23:05.44 | foxlit | Buttton:GetAttribute("state") --? |
| 23:06.32 | Kirkburn | Cidan, Steam ftw :D |
| 23:06.41 | BigRedPimp | and that's on top of the message to chat w/ TNL |
| 23:07.43 | BigRedPimp | the biggest part will be getting a list of repeatable/daily rep quests |
| 23:08.13 | BigRedPimp | as well as items that give rep like the AD tokens |
| 23:09.05 | foxlit | Hm, ouch |
| 23:09.16 | foxlit | Looks like I coded a bunch of things around a wrong idea about stateheaders |
| 23:10.25 | Lunessa | Ciao tutti. Especially the resident red heads. :wink: |
| 23:11.00 | Cidan | hah |
| 23:11.38 | foxlit | States don't appear to propagate downwards if you do child:SetAttribute("stateheader", parent); |
| 23:11.54 | foxlit | Only if you do parent:SetAttribute("addchild", child); |
| 23:12.42 | Shirik | VICTORY! |
| 23:12.43 | Rallion | lol |
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| 23:13.05 | Cidan | lol? |
| 23:15.17 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Thelyna (n=burp@222-155-42-87.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) |
| 23:15.18 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Wobin (n=wobin@124-168-8-252.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 23:20.41 | Shirik | christ, does nobody know english anymore? |
| 23:20.53 | Shirik | I'm sick of seeing company slogans like "Drive Beautiful" |
| 23:20.57 | Shirik | beautifulLY |
| 23:21.00 | Shirik | it's an ADVERB |
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| 23:22.30 | Cidan | lol |
| 23:23.00 | Cidan | i dunno y know 1 nos' englsh nemore? |
| 23:23.15 | Cidan | Actually, that drives me up the wall. People who put question marks at the end of statements. |
| 23:23.20 | Cidan | Christ, it drives me mad. |
| 23:23.30 | Cidan | like |
| 23:23.38 | Cidan | I just don't understand why people do it? |
| 23:23.41 | Cidan | NO |
| 23:23.42 | Cidan | WRONG |
| 23:23.49 | Cidan | I just don't understand why people do it. |
| 23:23.52 | Shirik | Personally I just can't stand people speaking with numbers |
| 23:23.53 | Shirik | like "ne1" |
| 23:23.57 | Cidan | DING DING DING RIGHT |
| 23:24.29 | Shirik | it seriously takes me longer to type like that than it does to type in English |
| 23:24.45 | Cidan | You likely touch type. |
| 23:25.06 | Cidan | I think everyone should play Typing of the Dead 1/2 |
| 23:25.22 | Matrix110 | typera.tk |
| 23:25.24 | Matrix110 | ! |
| 23:26.05 | Matrix110 | not as funny as TotD though:P |
| 23:26.42 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Thunder_Child (i=Thunder_@cpe-76-171-184-46.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 23:27.02 | Cidan | I tell you, when you need to type to stay alive |
| 23:27.08 | Cidan | You tend to learn. |
| 23:27.12 | Cidan | Quickly, I might add. |
| 23:28.28 | Cidan | So, I keep blocking this one guy on AIM that stalked me for about a year |
| 23:28.40 | Cidan | and for some reason, AIM keeps dropping my block list. |
| 23:31.06 | Shirik | huh |
| 23:31.15 | Shirik | Van Halen and David Lee Roth are going to go on a reunion toor |
| 23:31.22 | Cidan | ... |
| 23:31.42 | Cidan | This will not end well, mark my words. One will get naked whilst drunk, the other will just get naked. |
| 23:31.45 | Shirik | gotta go /vanish |
| 23:31.46 | Shirik | heh |
| 23:31.49 | Shirik | probably true |
| 23:31.52 | Shirik | anyway /vanish |
| 23:31.57 | Cidan | peace. |
| 23:33.02 | foxlit | I can't use a stateheader to change the position of secure frames without reparenting those secure frames to the state header? |
| 23:33.38 | Cidan | Not sure, never really used stateheaders |
| 23:33.42 | Cidan | had no need for them |
| 23:33.58 | Cidan | Perhaps someone else can answer. |
| 23:34.01 | Cidan | Anyone? |
| 23:34.18 | foxlit | They seem to be dead. |
| 23:34.30 | Cidan | They're likely playing WoW. |
| 23:34.35 | Cidan | Or doing laundry |
| 23:34.39 | Cidan | or stuck in traffic |
| 23:34.41 | Cidan | or cybering |
| 23:34.45 | foxlit | or DEAD! |
| 23:34.58 | foxlit | The zombies got to them. |
| 23:35.12 | Recluse | format("%.2f%%", number) will return the number with two decimal places? |
| 23:36.03 | foxlit | followed by a 5. |
| 23:36.04 | foxlit | % |
| 23:36.36 | Recluse | kk |
| 23:40.56 | Thelyna | random question, does anyone know how I can re-show my armor paper-doll thing that pops up at low durability? |
| 23:41.01 | Thelyna | I can't see it on my priest |
| 23:43.44 | cladhaire | don't lose durability! |
| 23:43.46 | cladhaire | problem solved :P |
| 23:44.11 | Thelyna | dot dot dot |
| 23:44.59 | foxlit | DurabilityFrame |
| 23:45.09 | Thelyna | guess I could remove everything from wtf wdb and interface, find that script that gives the name of the frame your mouse is over |
| 23:45.21 | Thelyna | then hunt for that frame name .. where? framexml? |
| 23:45.43 | foxlit | Always! |
| 23:45.45 | *** join/#wowi-lounge JoshBorke (n=Joshua@adsl-219-139-67.asm.bellsouth.net) |
| 23:46.44 | foxlit | What happens if I parent frames in a loop? |
| 23:46.50 | foxlit | A->B->C->A |
| 23:47.00 | JoshBorke | are you sure you can? |
| 23:47.13 | Esamynn | I don't think you can |
| 23:47.34 | Esamynn | I'm pretty sure you'll get told off if you try :P |
| 23:47.39 | JoshBorke | you'll get: Frame C is dependent on this |
| 23:48.52 | Cide | whoever linked to typera.tk - fun "game" |
| 23:48.53 | Cide | Your score: 542 keys per minute ~ 108 words per minute |
| 23:49.01 | foxlit | "Would create a loop parenting to <unnamed>" |
| 23:49.07 | JoshBorke | link it again |
| 23:49.12 | foxlit | Utterly horrible in english, though |
| 23:49.20 | Cide | I typed the addr? :P |
| 23:49.22 | Cide | www.typera.tk |
| 23:49.32 | foxlit | Those sentences make little since, and punctuation is counted as typos |
| 23:49.54 | Cide | foxlit: yeah, the punctuation annoyed me a bit |
| 23:51.09 | foxlit | Repeating the question, just in case: I can't use a stateheader to change the position of secure frames without reparenting those secure frames to the state header? |
| 23:51.36 | Esamynn | umm |
| 23:52.29 | JoshBorke | only 431/86 |
| 23:56.07 | Esamynn | foxlit: no, I don't think so |
| 23:56.50 | Esamynn | foxlit: although, you don't have to have them as children to THAT stateheader, you can slave other state headers, which are the real parents, to the master state header |
| 23:58.21 | foxlit | That becomes a bit of a mess |
| 23:58.42 | Esamynn | what are you trying to do exactly? |
| 23:59.21 | foxlit | I have a bunch of secure buttons in a frame. |
