IRC log for #wowi-lounge on 20070908

`00:01.00`	`art3mis`	`yer computer must suck ;)`
`00:01.06`	`N00bZXI`	`bug w/ vista`
`00:01.08`	`art3mis`	`gimp on mine takes about as long as irfranview`
`00:01.30`	`N00bZXI`	`With --no-fonts it takes just about that long.`
`00:03.21`	`Shirik`	`damn`
`00:03.26`	`Igor_wow`	`anyone else go to BlizzCon?`
`00:03.27`	`Shirik`	`I invited ChanServ to #conspiracy`
`00:03.28`	`art3mis`	`got it`
`00:03.32`	`Shirik`	`and he enters and deops us instantly`
`00:03.40`	`Shirik`	`that was cruel`
`00:03.48`	`Cide`	`so /msg chanserv op... :P`
`00:03.52`	`Shirik`	`ya but still`
`00:03.54`	`Shirik`	`I was nice to him`
`00:03.58`	`Shirik`	`and he's all like "bow before me!"`
`00:04.08`	`Cide`	`I would do that too`
`00:05.10`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge Igor_Morgado (n=chatzill@189.25.168.140)`
`00:05.31`	`Igor`	`hi there`
`00:05.43`	`Cide`	`hi.`
`00:05.43`	`Shirik`	`hi`
`00:06.11`	`Lin_`	`so warm ;-)`
`00:06.31`	`Lin_`	`im playing with macros right now. Here is a good place to ask for a little help?`
`00:06.51`	`Shirik`	`~asktoask`
`00:06.52`	`purl`	`This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help.`
`00:07.01`	`Anvilator`	`mm folks`
`00:07.06`	`Anvilator`	`nn*`
`00:07.10`	`Cide`	`night`
`00:07.11`	`Shirik`	`night Anvilator`
`00:07.25`	`Anvilator`	`Thanks for all the help, made great progress tonight :-)`
`00:07.31`	`Lin_`	`purl: there is some things off topic`
`00:07.32`	`purl`	`I think you lost me on that one, Lin_`
`00:07.40`	`Shirik`	`haha`
`00:07.56`	`Lin_`	`purl: is a damn bot isn't it?`
`00:08.02`	`Cide`	`Lin_: when you regularly deal with plenty of things in line with Cairenn's underwear, I think it's safe to say that most things are on-topic here`
`00:08.03`	`Shirik`	`What is that test that says if you can't determine which is the bot and a human, it passes as alive?`
`00:08.05`	`Lin_`	`is it is.`
`00:08.14`	`Shirik`	`or something like that`
`00:08.28`	`Lin_`	`Shirik: its is a damn hard question`
`00:08.32`	`bleeter`	`turing test`
`00:08.37`	`Shirik`	`I was going to say turing test`
`00:08.51`	`Shirik`	`but I got confused when I thought "no that must have something to do with turing completeness"`
`00:08.56`	`Lin_`	`Shirik: cause you can simulate almost everything. since you're previously program it. I know about turing test`
`00:09.39`	`Lin_`	`BTW, im preparing my question.`
`00:09.46`	`Shirik`	`ok :)`
`00:11.02`	`Lin_`	`http://wowi.pastey.net/73565`
`00:11.30`	`Lin_`	`i have 2 macros. I wish to put them together.. I just dont realized how.`
`00:11.40`	`Shirik`	`does B actually work?`
`00:11.43`	`Lin_`	`FOrget.`
`00:11.47`	`Lin_`	`They are different`
`00:11.49`	`Lin_`	`Shirik: works fine`
`00:12.00`	`Lin_`	`judge and seal`
`00:12.04`	`Lin_`	`with one hit`
`00:12.16`	`Shirik`	`yeah I'm just surprised the UI recognizes that you've got a seal on before casting judgement`
`00:12.34`	`Shirik`	`anyway, I'm slightly confused. Why do you want to put them together?`
`00:12.39`	`Lin_`	`I have to be pre-sealed`
`00:12.41`	`Shirik`	`They appear to do the same thing, though B does it in one button instead of two`
`00:12.43`	`Lin_`	`they are different`
`00:13.13`	`Lin_`	`Let me check what Im really want to do`
`00:13.19`	`Shirik`	`ok :)`
`00:19.05`	`Shirik`	`\|Jelly\|: Got a sec?`
`00:19.15`	`Shirik`	`brb`
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`00:20.40`	`Shirik`	`and back :P \|Jelly\| around?`
`00:21.10`	`Valaron\|Work`	`Jelly just answered a question on the UI forum.`
`00:22.00`	`Shirik`	`Damn you \|Jelly\| get back here!`
`00:23.48`	`Lin_`	`http://wowi.pastey.net/73566`
`00:24.58`	`Shirik`	`not gonna be possible, sorry`
`00:25.04`	`Shirik`	`Blizzard intentionally removed the ability to make those decisions`
`00:26.33`	`Valaron\|Work`	`Basically, in a 'if this then that' If "that" is a spell cast or item use, then it cannot be done.`
`00:26.56`	`Valaron\|Work`	`Or.. targetting, too`
`00:28.19`	`Lin_`	`damn bad. cause I like the auto reseal with no delay, but some times I recast spell without a valid target (losing mana)`
`00:31.07`	`Lin_`	`is this valid? /cast [combat] Consecration; Consecration (1) (that is if in combat use highest level, if not just lvl 1, to search for rogues)`
`00:31.43`	`Valaron\|Work`	`It would be: /cast [combat] Consecration; Consecration(Rank 1)`
`00:32.04`	`Lin_`	`forgot Rank. thanks`
`00:33.11`	`Shirik`	`that's a nice macro`
`00:34.24`	`Valaron\|Work`	`Time to get off work and imbibe alcohol.`
`00:34.34`	`Lin_`	`There is any way to cast a spell with lower lvl if mana is low. Example: I have Holy Light 5 (cost 275 mana) but if im low on mana I can cast lvl 3 (110 mana), I could use a "switch/case" or "if" ?`
`00:34.40`	`Valaron\|Work`	`No.`
`00:34.56`	`Valaron\|Work`	`You can use a modifier.. but it cannot be done automatically.`
`00:35.17`	`Lin_`	`omg. All my criativity will be nerfed by blizzard`
`00:35.23`	`Valaron\|Work`	`Old news.`
`00:35.30`	`Valaron\|Work`	`"creativity"`
`00:35.45`	`Lin_`	`sorry. portuguese is criatividade.`
`00:36.16`	`nevcairiel`	`heh, slouken was fix, answer to clads new GC post..`
`00:36.19`	`nevcairiel`	`"FYI, something along these lines is in for 2.3."`
`00:36.41`	`Lin_`	`there is any way to cast a spell if in failure say /oom?`
`00:36.58`	`Valaron\|Work`	`To Say? You bet!`
`00:37.15`	`Valaron\|Work`	`Get the mod Aftercast.`
`00:37.31`	`Lin_`	`Valaron\|Work:ok`
`00:38.57`	`Valaron\|Work`	`I'm outta here. Até depois!`
`00:45.31`	`Lin_`	`And this: /cast [modifier:Alt,target=player] Holy Light; [target=mouseover,exists,help] Holy Light; [target=target,help] Holy Light; [target=player] Holy Light;`
`00:46.28`	`Lin_`	`Cast Holy light in this pref order: ALT on me; mouse over on friendly valid target; target valid friendly; me`
`00:51.19`	`Shirik`	`not quite`
`00:51.40`	`Shirik`	`well, I take that back. I missed the help`
`00:51.46`	`Shirik`	`but, if you have help, then exists is redundant`
`00:51.47`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge Lin_ (n=igor@200.179.57.57)`
`00:51.48`	`Shirik`	`so you can take it out`
`00:51.53`	`Shirik`	`uh`
`00:52.00`	`Shirik`	`14(2011:5011:3014) 14(11Shirik14) not quite`
`00:52.00`	`Shirik`	`14(2011:5011:3414) �11-� 15Lin_ is now known as 15Lin`
`00:52.00`	`Shirik`	`14(2011:5011:5014) 14(11Shirik14) well, I take that back. I missed the help`
`00:52.00`	`Shirik`	`14(2011:5011:5714) 14(11Shirik14) but, if you have help, then exists is redundant`
`00:52.01`	`Shirik`	`14(2011:5011:5814) �11-� Join: Lin_ 11(n=igor@200.179.57.5711)`
`00:52.05`	`Shirik`	`14(2011:5011:5914) 14(11Shirik14) so you can take it out`
`00:52.16`	`Lin`	`?`
`00:52.21`	`Shirik`	`ok I'm confused`
`00:52.27`	`Shirik`	`which one of you is the real one ><`
`00:52.30`	`Lin`	`lin`
`00:52.35`	`Lin`	`I ghosted the old one`
`00:52.42`	`Shirik`	`14(2011:5011:5814) �11-� Join: Lin_ 11(n=igor@200.179.57.5711)`
`00:52.42`	`Shirik`	`?`
`00:52.54`	`Lin`	`that one is the ghosted`
`00:53.03`	`Shirik`	`yeah, he rejoined after you kicked him >.>`
`00:53.08`	`Lin`	`he is stupid`
`00:53.11`	`Shirik`	`anyway`
`00:53.14`	`Shirik`	`so yeah`
`00:53.25`	`Shirik`	`you don't need the [exists] in the second conditional`
`00:53.27`	`Shirik`	`it's redundant`
`00:53.29`	`Shirik`	`other than that it should work`
`00:53.30`	`Lin`	`ok`
`00:53.41`	`Lin`	`fine..`
`00:53.48`	`Shirik`	`it's not "wrong" just saying`
`00:53.51`	`Shirik`	`you don't need it :)`
`00:53.55`	`Lin`	`i know`
`00:54.18`	`Lin`	`I mean, now I know ;-)`
`00:55.12`	`Lin`	`Divine shield is a upgrade from Divine protection right? Cause they share the same cooldown.`
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`00:56.33`	`Shirik`	`I have no idea how to play a pally`
`00:56.42`	`Shirik`	`aside from the "seal, judge" and "blessings" things :P`
`00:56.46`	`buu`	`Divinte shield; /afl`
`00:56.49`	`buu`	`Eek.`
`00:57.08`	`Lin`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:57.15`	`buu`	`afk =[`
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`00:57.19`	`Shirik`	`it stands for /cast hearthstone`
`00:57.19`	`buu`	`That sentence was just a failure.`
`00:57.30`	`\|Jelly\|`	`What's up?`
`00:57.32`	`\|Jelly\|`	`...sorry`
`00:57.33`	`Shirik`	`hai!`
`00:57.34`	`buu`	`Hey! I have string cheese!`
`00:57.44`	`Shirik`	`I forgot \|Jelly\| :(`
`00:58.01`	`\|Jelly\|`	`[19:20]<Shirik>{#wowi-lounge} and back :P \|Jelly\| around?`
`00:58.03`	`\|Jelly\|`	`[19:21]<Valaron\|Work>{#wowi-lounge} Jelly just answered a question on the UI forum.`
`00:58.04`	`\|Jelly\|`	`[19:22]<Shirik>{#wowi-lounge} Damn you \|Jelly\| get back here!`
`00:58.06`	`\|Jelly\|`	`:(`
`00:58.10`	`Shirik`	`yeah, I forgot what I wanted to know :(`
`00:58.25`	`\|Jelly\|`	`lol`
`00:58.27`	`Valaron`	`Yeah. That was a long time ago in Internet time.`
`00:59.49`	`Shirik`	`so \|Jelly\|`
`00:59.49`	`Shirik`	`my +Healing`
`00:59.49`	`Shirik`	`has increased by 25% in 24 hours`
`00:59.49`	`\|Jelly\|`	`Finally raid something? :P`
`00:59.52`	`Shirik`	`actually no`
`01:00.09`	`Shirik`	`just got primal mooncloth belt and lucky on a heroic mech`
`01:00.17`	`\|Jelly\|`	`ahh. lol`
`01:00.24`	`Shirik`	`and both my belt and my boots sucked`
`01:00.35`	`\|Jelly\|`	`Well. Grats! :)`
`01:00.39`	`Shirik`	`=)`
`01:00.43`	`Shirik`	`But that's not what I wanted to ask`
`01:00.45`	`Shirik`	`that's not even a question`
`01:03.04`	`\|Jelly\|`	`well hmm`
`01:03.14`	`Valaron`	`Indeed`
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`01:05.06`	`\|Jelly\|`	`Now it's gonna bother me, Shirik.,,`
`01:05.11`	`Shirik`	`well good!`
`01:05.14`	`Shirik`	`it's your fault anyway`
`01:05.17`	`\|Jelly\|`	`I mean...you needed me, of all people, for something and you don't remember.`
`01:05.39`	`Shirik`	`=P`
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`01:13.44`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`what's the itemcolor for artifacts?`
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`01:15.01`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`nvm`
`01:15.03`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`got it`
`01:15.25`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`was trying to forcibly link martin thunder`
`01:15.53`	`\|Jelly\|`	`was?`
`01:17.45`	`Lin`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:19.36`	`Shirik`	`can Seal of Crusader fail?`
`01:19.42`	`\|Jelly\|`	`no`
`01:19.47`	`\|Jelly\|`	`unless of course you're oom`
`01:19.47`	`Shirik`	`try putting the 30 at the end`
`01:19.55`	`Shirik`	`so reset=combat/alt/30`
`01:20.00`	`Shirik`	`doubt that's the problem, but try`
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`01:20.11`	`\|Jelly\|`	`reset timers fail imo`
`01:20.44`	`Lin`	`ok`
`01:21.09`	`Lin`	`no`
`01:21.15`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`can you use like, alt for it?`
`01:21.22`	`Lin`	`the icon just stay darkned .`
`01:21.32`	`Lin`	`no alt do not start the cast (ALT + KEY)`
`01:21.33`	`Thrae`	`!help ge`
`01:21.34`	`ThraeBot`	`!ge <eu/us> <server> <character name> <slot> -- Show info of a given's chcharacter specific gear slot (number or name), picked right from the Armoury. Slots (start at 0): Head, Neck, Shoulder, Shirt, Chest, Belt, Legs, Feet, Wrist, Gloves, 1st Ring, 2nd Ring, 1st Trinket, 2nd Trinket, Back, Main hand, Off hand/Relic/Idol, Ranged, Tabard`
`01:21.51`	`Lin`	`neither alt+click`
`01:22.23`	`Lin`	`!ge us "Altar of Storms" "Cedron" 0`
`01:22.23`	`ThraeBot`	`Lin: Invalid slot!`
`01:22.32`	`Lin`	`!ge us "Altar of Storms" "Cedron" 1`
`01:22.32`	`ThraeBot`	`Lin: Invalid slot!`
`01:22.49`	`Lin`	`!ge us "Altar of Storms" Cedron 1`
`01:22.50`	`ThraeBot`	`Lin: Invalid slot!`
`01:23.04`	`Lin`	`Thrae do not work ;-)`
`01:24.23`	`Osagasu`	`!ge us Sentinels Starbreak 2`
`01:24.24`	`ThraeBot`	`Osagasu: Invalid slot!`
`01:24.46`	`Osagasu`	`!ge us Sentinels Starbreak`
`01:24.56`	`Osagasu`	`!ge us Starbreak Sentinels 2`
`01:24.56`	`ThraeBot`	`Osagasu: Invalid slot!`
`01:26.20`	`Shirik`	`!ge us Drenden Kimina 5`
`01:26.20`	`ThraeBot`	`Shirik: Invalid slot!`
`01:26.25`	`Shirik`	`~lart Thrae`
`01:26.25`	`purl`	`resizes Thrae's terminal to 40x24`
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`01:28.47`	`Lin`	`Shirik: I found the problem. Is Seal of THE Crusader`
`01:28.53`	`Shirik`	`that would do it :)`
`01:37.37`	`*** part/#wowi-lounge Cairenn (n=Cairenn@MMOI/Administratrix/Cairenn)`
`01:38.44`	`Lin`	`Shirik: /w %t hi pal`
`01:38.50`	`Shirik`	`no`
`01:38.55`	`Lin`	`this do not work? it says %t not exist`
`01:39.00`	`Lin`	`how can I do this?`
`01:39.24`	`Shirik`	`do /script SendChatMessage("Hi Pal!", "WHISPER", nil, UnitName("TARGET"))`
`01:39.58`	`Lin`	`ok`
`01:40.01`	`Shirik`	`er`
`01:40.07`	`Shirik`	`TARGET should not be in caps`
`01:40.08`	`Shirik`	`sorry`
`01:40.10`	`Lin`	`ok`
`01:40.20`	`Shirik`	`actually it works either way`
`01:42.16`	`bleeter`	`http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1371465229&sid=1 ... one more week of testing, ya reckon, on the PTR?`
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`01:47.25`	`Shirik`	`I give it 2`
`01:48.35`	`Igor_wow`	`yeah they've taken forever with 2.2`
`01:48.57`	`Igor_wow`	`thought it would be like 5 weeks ago`
`01:49.04`	`bleeter`	`hmm, anyone else getting forum login errors? I'm wondering if I've been banned from posting or something (tho I would've kinda expected an email)`
`01:49.13`	`bleeter`	`5 weeks ago, audio was still a steaming PoS`
`01:49.24`	`bleeter`	`I think it's still a PoS, but at least it's not steaming now ;)`
`01:50.57`	`AnduinLothar`	`http://karlkfi.com/WoW/PallyBlock.jpg`
`01:51.03`	`clad\|away`	`What measure does debugprofilestop() return?`
`01:52.11`	`Cide`	`ms, I believe`
`01:52.39`	`clad\|away`	`orly`
`01:54.20`	`Shirik`	`definitely not ms`
`01:54.26`	`Shirik`	`unless I just used it wrong`
`01:54.38`	`Shirik`	`or I type extremely fast`
`01:54.52`	`clad\|away`	`i think its ms`
`01:54.54`	`clad\|away`	`if i type a second later, it increments 1000`
`01:54.56`	`clad\|away`	`which is right?`
`01:55.01`	`Shirik`	`I typed it about 3 seconds later, it was 45ms :/`
`01:55.10`	`clad\|away`	`are you AMD by any chance?`
`01:55.13`	`Shirik`	`yeah`
`01:55.16`	`clad\|away`	`i think it was returning weird values?`
`01:55.25`	`Shirik`	`dunno, never actually used it`
`01:55.38`	`Shirik`	`perhaps it kinda makes sense; the Pentium chip has some nice timing features that I don't think AMD copied`
`01:55.49`	`Shirik`	`that's why we use it on our ARCOM boxes`
`01:55.57`	`bleeter`	`Shirik: yeah, sounds like they're hoping maybe Tuesday week, but it'll prolly be Tues fortnight.... guess we'll wait and see ;)`
`01:56.11`	`clad\|away`	`anyone have a low end machine and want to test GCTweak?`
`01:59.56`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i wonder if blizzard will use lua for the sc2 UI? :o`
`02:00.17`	`AnduinLothar`	`doubt it`
`02:01.12`	`cladhaire`	`slouken's the lua expert :P`
`02:01.19`	`cladhaire`	`afaik he's still working on wow exclusively`
`02:01.23`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i was reading this, and was thinking about it`
`02:01.23`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`http://www.blizzard.com/jobopp/artist-3d-ui.shtml`
`02:01.31`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i know that's more of the actual textures`
`02:01.34`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`but it got me thinking`
`02:04.16`	`cladhaire`	`i think i'm going to play wow`
`02:04.17`	`cladhaire`	`O.o`
`02:04.34`	`Cidan`	`I FIND THAT UNLIKELY`
`02:04.45`	`Cidan`	`also, man`
`02:04.46`	`Cidan`	`SC2 + Lua`
`02:04.50`	`Cidan`	`would be so... so nice.`
`02:07.06`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i don't see why they wouldn't let you have similar control over the UI as some other games`
`02:07.16`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i.e. new textures, new fonts, etc`
`02:07.26`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`being able to move frames and whatnot`
`02:11.21`	`Valaron`	`Jeri Ryan is pregnant.`
`02:11.41`	`Lin`	`I can use variables with /cast? example /cast fol="Flash of light" fol`
`02:11.51`	`Valaron`	`No..`
`02:12.16`	`Lin`	`Valaron: how can I do?`
`02:12.24`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`http://www.zossip.com/pete-doherty-and-the-crack-cat/`
`02:12.31`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i feel awful for laughing at the image`
`02:12.33`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`:x`
`02:12.46`	`Lin`	`can I use /script to cast spell?`
`02:12.57`	`cladhaire`	`no`
`02:12.59`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`not anymore i don't think`
`02:13.07`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`macros are very limited now`
`02:13.14`	`Valaron`	`No.. can't cast with /script.`
`02:13.20`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`but at the same time you get nifty stuff like sequences`
`02:14.06`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`what are you trying to do, Lin?`
`02:15.24`	`Lin`	`#showtooltip Holy Light`
`02:15.25`	`Lin`	`<PROTECTED>`
`02:15.26`	`Lin`	`<PROTECTED>`
`02:15.37`	`bleeter`	`cladhaire: slouken email sig says 'lead s/w engi, blizz', so dunno if he's exclusive to WoW`
`02:15.43`	`Lin`	`this.. but with flash of light. takes more than 255 chars`
`02:15.47`	`cladhaire`	`yeah dunno`
`02:15.48`	`cladhaire`	`:P`
`02:16.11`	`Valaron`	`Change the /cast line to: /cast [modifer:alt,target=player][target=mouseover,help][help][target=player] Holy Light`
`02:16.27`	`Valaron`	`No ;`
`02:16.56`	`Lin`	`no for what?`
`02:17.05`	`Lin`	`understood`
`02:17.05`	`Valaron`	`semi-colons in my /cast`
`02:17.21`	`Lin`	`it will work as mine?`
`02:17.25`	`Valaron`	`Yep`
`02:17.31`	`Lin`	`I liked`
`02:17.32`	`Valaron`	`It's the shortened way to do it.`
`02:19.04`	`Valaron`	`target=target is implied. It's not needed in the conditionals.`
`02:19.20`	`Valaron`	`so [target=target,help] is the same as [help]`
`02:22.36`	`dota\|n00bzxi`	`new dota version out apparantly incase anyone else here plays`
`02:23.14`	`cladhaire`	`ooh`
`02:24.02`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`oh man`
`02:24.08`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`this tea is pretty bizarre`
`02:24.15`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i feel like i just fellated a koala bear`
`02:25.06`	`cladhaire`	`uhh`
`02:25.16`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`http://www.celestialseasonings.com/products/wellness-teas/echinacea-complete-care.html`
`02:25.21`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`this tea`
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`02:34.10`	`Lin`	`what is the modifier for the middle mouse button?`
`02:38.33`	`Shirik`	`mouse:3 perhaps?`
`02:38.38`	`Shirik`	`never tried it`
`02:38.46`	`Shirik`	`I mean button:3`
`02:39.24`	`Lin`	`Shirik: thanks.. but what I want to do will not work. I have made a workround.`
`02:40.52`	`art3mis`	`sweet got my eepanels stuff corrected`
`02:41.11`	`art3mis`	`now i can ditch dart`
`02:42.51`	`art3mis`	`woo! 105 hkui downloads!`
`02:43.12`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`there needs to be a "wow this addon is awesome" type dealio`
`02:43.27`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`thread/whatever`
`02:44.08`	`art3mis`	`heh`
`02:44.21`	`art3mis`	`some people like it otehr are using it to inflict evil on others ;P`
`02:44.23`	`art3mis`	`it's great`
`02:44.37`	`art3mis`	`like the last quote was "im gonna install this on my sons computers while they're at school"`
`02:44.39`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`there's gotta be about 5 million addons that are awesome that i haven't used`
`02:45.04`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`art3mis, this line confuses me`
`02:45.08`	`art3mis`	`yeah like minichat`
`02:45.08`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`<art3mis> some people like it otehr are using it to inflict evil on others ;P`
`02:45.13`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i've tried rereading it`
`02:45.18`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`and i just don't get it :[`
`02:45.27`	`art3mis`	`some people like it, others are using it to inflict evil on others ;P`
`02:45.36`	`art3mis`	`in regards to hkui ;P`
`02:45.58`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`ohh`
`02:46.00`	`art3mis`	`some people are downloading it for the sole purpose of giving it to other people`
`02:46.03`	`art3mis`	`;)`
`02:46.05`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i was trying to reread it`
`02:46.14`	`art3mis`	`minichat is awesome btw`
`02:46.18`	`art3mis`	`go check that out`
`02:46.27`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`where can i find it`
`02:46.35`	`art3mis`	`wowi i believe`
`02:46.43`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`didn't see it`
`02:47.00`	`dota\|n00bzxi`	`MiniChat IS awesome.`
`02:47.48`	`bleeter`	`anyone know of a chat mod that can split guild officer chat into a seperate tab? can't seem to see if that's possible with default UI`
`02:48.20`	`art3mis`	`when you're talking on officer tell everyone in the guild to shut up ;)`
`02:48.32`	`art3mis`	`and then demote everyone to a level that cant speak ;)`
`02:48.54`	`dota\|n00bzxi`	`dunno our regular chat is kinda quiet with 30+ online`
`02:49.17`	`bleeter`	`we've had massive mergers in the last 6 weeks, everyone getting to know each other`
`02:49.40`	`dota\|n00bzxi`	`imo mergers are bad.`
`02:50.24`	`dota\|n00bzxi`	`I've never seen a guild live for longer than a few weeks after a merger. But that's just me.`
`02:51.06`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i need an addon that lets me move the editbox up top, and one that lets me change the font within mail/books :[`
`02:51.40`	`bleeter`	`I think it was more that these other guilds were falling apart, an officer or two new some of the folks in our guild, so we got the 'left overs' (ie, those who don't abandon guilds.. or so I hope ;-)`
`02:51.51`	`dota\|n00bzxi`	`Editbox: Just make a .lua with a script I'll pastey in a sec. Font: ClearFont`
`02:51.59`	`bleeter`	`so yeah, it's still settling down a bit, hence the large amount of chat vs officer thing`
`02:52.13`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`clearfont seems pretty heavy for just one small thing like that`
`02:52.48`	`Adys`	`prat has a plugin for the editbox thingy`
`02:53.12`	`dota\|n00bzxi`	`If you want JUST the editbox`
`02:53.14`	`dota\|n00bzxi`	`I wouldn't DL prat`
`02:53.20`	`Adys`	`ya`
`02:53.40`	`dota\|n00bzxi`	`http://pastey.net/73570 <-- editbox code`
`02:53.42`	`dota\|n00bzxi`	`3lines`
`02:53.43`	`Adys`	`and can also do the officer/guild thing if you're using it bleeter :o`
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`02:54.21`	`Adys`	`http://adys.stools.net/random/getreal.gif <3`
`02:55.19`	`dota\|n00bzxi`	`You could also hook :AddMessage and just print officer messages to another chatframe with a few lines as well`
`02:55.31`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`aha`
`02:55.35`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`the font i want to replace is just`
`02:55.37`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`MORPHEUS.ttf`
`02:55.44`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`so i can just move another font into there and fix it`
`02:55.51`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`that font is like, impossible to read`
`02:55.57`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`thanks, dota\|n00bzxi`
`02:56.32`	`dota\|n00bzxi`	`Mr_Rabies2: np`
`02:56.36`	`bleeter`	`Adys: gah, I knew there was a reason I should've re-installed it.. can't recall why I dropped it, tbh.`
`02:58.37`	`bleeter`	`ah yeah, my hacky mod d/l script... haven't got around to handling SVN externals properly yet`
`02:58.45`	`Lin`	`Can I use a if here to check if target != ME or not Null? /script SendChatMessage("Stay Close. Im healing you", "WHISPER", nil, UnitName("target"))`
`02:58.56`	`dota\|n00bzxi`	`yes`
`02:59.02`	`Mr_Rabies`	`dota\|n00bzxi, forgive me for being noobish`
`02:59.14`	`Mr_Rabies`	`if i just put that in an addon folder and make a toc, it'll work?`
`02:59.43`	`dota\|n00bzxi`	`Make an addon folder, a .toc, and a .lua`
`03:00.30`	`dota\|n00bzxi`	`Lin: if UnitExists('target') and UnitName('target') ~= UnitName('player') then SendChatMessage("Stay Close. Im healing you", "WHISPER", nil, UnitName("target")) end`
`03:00.33`	`Nargiddley`	`Lin, if UnitExists('target') and not UnitIsUnit('target','player') then SendChatMessage(...) end`
`03:00.48`	`dota\|n00bzxi`	`hmm, didn't know UnitIsUnit existed.`
`03:03.20`	`dota\|n00bzxi`	`well, back to dota :)`
`03:08.06`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`okay, time to see how much i butchered that addon`
`03:10.08`	`Thunder_Child`	`heh, your not learning if your not doing something wrong :)`
`03:11.26`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`yeah it totally doesn't seem to be working`
`03:11.35`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`probably because i haven't built the framework around it properly`
`03:11.38`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`but alas`
`03:11.44`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`it shows up in the addons list and doesn't error`
`03:11.58`	`Lin`	`<PROTECTED>`
`03:12.07`	`Lin`	`sorry`
`03:12.09`	`Lin`	`my mistake`
`03:12.38`	`Lin`	`This do not work: /script t=UnitName(target) if UnitExists(t) and not UnitIsUnit(t,'player') then SendChatMessage("Stay Close. Im healing you", "WHISPER", nil, t) end`
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`03:14.14`	`Lin`	`>>>t=UnitName(target) if UnitExists(t) and not UnitIsUnit(t,'player') then SendChatMessage("Stay Close. Im healing you", "WHISPER", nil, t) end`
`03:17.13`	`Thunder_Child`	`you might need a space`
`03:17.42`	`Lin`	`Thunder_Child: where?`
`03:17.50`	`Thunder_Child`	`after the >>>`
`03:17.55`	`Lin`	`ok`
`03:17.57`	`Lin`	`>>> t=UnitName(target) if UnitExists(t) and not UnitIsUnit(t,'player') then SendChatMessage("Stay Close. Im healing you", "WHISPER", nil, t) end`
`03:18.06`	`Lin`	`>>> t=UnitName("target) if UnitExists(t) and not UnitIsUnit(t,'player') then SendChatMessage("Stay Close. Im healing you", "WHISPER", nil, t) end`
`03:18.13`	`Thunder_Child`	`or...looks like the bot isnt on then`
`03:18.20`	`Lin`	`ok`
`03:18.27`	`Thunder_Child`	`lua> t=UnitName(target) if UnitExists(t) and not UnitIsUnit(t,'player') then SendChatMessage("Stay Close. Im healing you", "WHISPER", nil, t) end`
`03:18.27`	`cladbot`	`Thunder_Child: [string "t=UnitName(target) if UnitExists(t) and not..."]:1: attempt to call global 'UnitName' (a nil value)`
`03:18.29`	`Nargiddley`	`lin, you need to use 'target' instead of its name`
`03:18.33`	`Thunder_Child`	`there you go`
`03:18.53`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`Thunder_Child, halp :x`
`03:19.04`	`Thunder_Child`	`eh?`
`03:19.06`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`feel free to facepalm in my stupidity, but i have no clue how to get this to actually work`
`03:19.09`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`<dota\|n00bzxi> http://pastey.net/73570 <-- editbox code`
`03:19.32`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i made a toc, it shows up in the addons list as working fine, doesn't error, but does /nothing/`
`03:20.14`	`Thunder_Child`	`love to help but i'm not a coder..ish`
`03:20.19`	`Nargiddley`	`if UnitExists('target') and not UnitIsUnit('target','player') then SendChatMessage("Stay Close. Im healing you", "WHISPER", nil, UnitName('target')) end is what you need, no changes`
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`03:21.32`	`bleeter`	`damnit, someone emptied the pack of TimTams.. there's gunna be murder!`
`03:22.32`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`what is a timtam`
`03:22.52`	`Lin`	`Nargiddley: I have a problem with number of characters.`
`03:23.01`	`Lin`	`Trying to store target in a variable.`
`03:25.39`	`Nargiddley`	`local t = 'target' if UnitExists(t) and not UnitIsUnit(t,'player') then SendChatMessage("Stay Close. Im healing you","WHISPER",nil,UnitName(t)) end`
`03:26.04`	`Nargiddley`	`probably a few more chars could be squeezed out from whitespace but not sure`
`03:30.55`	`Shirik`	`Thunder_Child: that wouldn't work anyway`
`03:30.59`	`Shirik`	`those functions are undefined`
`03:31.08`	`Shirik`	`though you could use >>= to verify its compilability`
`03:31.20`	`Thunder_Child`	`like i said, not a coder`
`03:31.24`	`Shirik`	`=)`
`03:31.25`	`Lin`	`Shirik: thank you.`
`03:31.52`	`Shirik`	`Lin: Just FYI, Cide's bot runs native lua, not WoW's. So any WoW-specific APIs won't exist. However for your convenience, some synonyms have been created`
`03:32.04`	`Shirik`	`such as WoW's strlen will work in cide's bot`
`03:32.11`	`Shirik`	`of course, this all relies on Cide's being here :P`
`03:32.42`	`Lin`	`Shirik: understood.`
`03:33.05`	`Kaydeethree`	`bah. my wrists are not a fan of the wiimote/nunchuck`
`03:33.23`	`Kaydeethree`	`I've been playing metroid for 7-8 hours, can barely type atm`
`03:33.30`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`you know what you must do`
`03:33.38`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`train those wrists amirite`
`03:37.37`	`Lin`	`Is there any function to check if UnitIsHelp ?`
`03:38.24`	`Lin`	`To be exact is the UnitCanBeHealed`
`03:38.56`	`Rallion`	`Kaydeethree, I fought Rundas a few hours ago, that made my A-button thumb hurt like hell, especially since he killed me with merest seconds to live the first time...`
`03:39.25`	`Rallion`	`gotta love rapid rate of fire and unlimited ammo.`
`03:39.46`	`Kaydeethree`	`no joke`
`03:40.09`	`Kaydeethree`	`I'll have to keep swapping between a-is-fire and b-is-fire it seems`
`03:42.00`	`Lin`	`this should do the job UnitIsFriend('target', 'player')`
`03:42.42`	`Lin`	`I hate 255 character limitations`
`03:43.58`	`Kaydeethree`	`trying to stick that in a macro?`
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`03:45.50`	`Lin`	`Kaydeethree: Im trying.`
`03:46.07`	`Kaydeethree`	`<PROTECTED>`
`03:46.18`	`Lin`	`Kaydeethree: I dont want cast. I want speak ;-)`
`03:46.36`	`Lin`	`Kaydeethree: but just if target is "help" and not me`
`03:47.45`	`Kaydeethree`	`something to the effect of /run if ~UnitIsUnit("target","player") && UnitIsFriend("target","player") SendChatMessage("foo") end`
`03:47.50`	`Kaydeethree`	`I'm not thinking in Lua atm...`
`03:49.13`	`Lin`	`ok`
`03:49.22`	`Lin`	`~ == not?`
`03:49.27`	`Kaydeethree`	`in lua, yes`
`03:49.36`	`Lin`	`ok`
`03:49.47`	`Lin`	`why not good'n'old !`
`03:49.54`	`Kaydeethree`	`because that'd be too easy`
`03:50.05`	`Lin`	`lol`
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`05:07.10`	`Shirik`	`woot!`
`05:07.12`	`Shirik`	`I broke 500 OHPS`
`05:07.17`	`Shirik`	`on that fight`
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`05:24.00`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`dear god modding an xbox is cake`
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`06:07.30`	`art3mis`	`hrm`
`06:08.23`	`art3mis`	`so what uf should i go with to replace duf?`
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`06:12.27`	`Thunder_Child`	`ag_uf/pitbull are the two top contenders`
`06:18.56`	`art3mis`	`well pitbull is crap`
`06:19.04`	`art3mis`	`aguf isnt pretty enough`
`06:19.20`	`art3mis`	`im thinking more along the lines of visually configurable like duf but not duf`
`06:19.30`	`art3mis`	`only one i can think of is xperl`
`06:19.34`	`Thunder_Child`	`aguf has multiple stules`
`06:19.40`	`Thunder_Child`	`styles(`
`06:19.41`	`Cidan`	`nurfed is really the best.`
`06:19.41`	`Thunder_Child`	`**`
`06:19.45`	`Cidan`	`if that's what you want.`
`06:19.49`	`Cidan`	`You can make it literally`
`06:19.51`	`Cidan`	`look like`
`06:19.52`	`Cidan`	`anything.`
`06:19.57`	`Thunder_Child`	`tbh duf was always the best`
`06:19.57`	`art3mis`	`oh yeah`
`06:19.58`	`Cidan`	`All through an in-game UI`
`06:20.05`	`art3mis`	`i totally fergot about that`
`06:20.12`	`art3mis`	`is he still releaseing and updating ?`
`06:20.14`	`Cidan`	`yes`
`06:20.40`	`Cidan`	`June 24th was last update, so it's been almost two months, but better than most.`
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`06:24.17`	`Chaoslux`	`Hey guys, i decided to try to do a wow addon, but im having a slight problem, Is there a way to grab errors if you hear the error song while LOADING the game?`
`06:24.37`	`Chaoslux`	`If i could get that, i might be less clueless as to where my error is ><`
`06:25.08`	`Iriel`	`You could try FrameXML.log in the logs directory, or install bugsack or somesuch`
`06:26.27`	`Chaoslux`	`!! Well, this is helpful ;o`
`06:26.28`	`Shirik`	`"the error song" ?`
`06:26.33`	`Shirik`	`get !Swatter`
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`06:31.55`	`Elyssah`	`Hello everyone`
`06:32.15`	`Elyssah`	`Cairenn? do you have a moment for questions?`
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`06:37.44`	`Tem`	`Cairenn, it's perma afk`
`06:37.50`	`Tem`	`you have to be special to get her attention`
`06:37.54`	`Tem`	`lik eme`
`06:37.56`	`Tem`	`I'm special`
`06:38.51`	`Thunder_Child`	`sure...`
`06:39.10`	`Thunder_Child`	`in the head`
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`06:39.18`	`Tem`	`hush you`
`06:39.23`	`Tem`	`I have jack power`
`06:39.29`	`Tem`	`and jack power > you`
`06:39.45`	`Thunder_Child`	`i have so many things that could be added to jack....`
`06:40.01`	`Thunder_Child`	`off/ass/shit etc.`
`06:40.10`	`Thunder_Child`	`stop leaving me openings damit`
`06:40.15`	`Shirik`	`Elyssah: What do you need? Perhaps someone else can help`
`06:40.16`	`Tem`	`daniels, asshole`
`06:40.43`	`Thunder_Child`	`jack asshole?`
`06:41.03`	`Tem`	`don't twist I words`
`06:41.13`	`Thunder_Child`	`asshole jack?`
`06:43.43`	`Tem`	`hmm, can't connect to my server`
`06:43.53`	`Tem`	`guess it means I wasn't meant to play wow right now`
`06:53.52`	`Elyssah`	`oh.. i was hoping i could get some help trying to make the lua to get my tabs to work like i want them to`
`06:54.14`	`Elyssah`	`i so far i've been able to find the information i need for the xml side`
`06:54.21`	`Elyssah`	`but i'm getting lost in the lua`
`06:55.34`	`art3mis`	`so whats the difference between xperl and perl classic?`
`06:55.54`	`Tem`	`Elyssah, there's a tutorial on wowiki for that imo`
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`06:55.58`	`Kaydeethree`	`different authors, different code`
`06:56.04`	`Elyssah`	`for the xml side, yes Tem`
`06:56.08`	`Kaydeethree`	`they both forked from the original perl if memory serves`
`06:56.18`	`Elyssah`	`but not the Lua, he leaves that up to the reader...`
`06:56.39`	`Elyssah`	`which is silly imo, since we wouldn't be reading a tutorial if we knew what we wanted to know`
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`06:57.38`	`Elyssah`	`and i found that looking at the code for the CharacterFrame.xml and CharacterFrameTemplate.xml to be more helpful than that tutorial`
`07:00.00`	`Elyssah`	`so.. is there anyone comfortable with lua in the house? who is willing to help a newb?`
`07:00.56`	`Tem`	`looking at the blizzard code is 9 times out of tem more helpful that the tut`
`07:01.30`	`Elyssah`	`i've been puzzling over CharacterFrame.lua though, and i need some help decifering`
`07:04.43`	`Tem`	`what's the confusion?`
`07:04.57`	`Tem`	`I won't claim to be in a coding state of mind, but I might be of some help`
`07:05.33`	`Elyssah`	`well...`
`07:06.46`	`Elyssah`	`in the CharacterFrameTemplate.xml, the OnClick script (which i am thinking calls the script to hide the visible frame and unhide the clicked frame) calls two scripts`
`07:07.13`	`Elyssah`	`PanelTemplates_Tab_OnClick(CharacterFrame) and CharacterFrameTab_OnClick()`
`07:07.36`	`Elyssah`	`now, the 2nd is in the CharacterFrame.lua, the first is not`
`07:08.34`	`Elyssah`	`how do i find the first, and what does it do?`
`07:11.13`	`Nargiddley`	`at a guess UIPanelTemplates.lua`
`07:11.39`	`Elyssah`	`ok, thank you, i will try that`
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`07:12.49`	`Elyssah`	`oh crap.. that's a lot of tab info...`
`07:13.49`	`Elyssah`	`so you can reference functions in outside lua files?`
`07:14.02`	`Nargiddley`	`it will be a global function`
`07:14.11`	`Elyssah`	`lovely!`
`07:14.29`	`Elyssah`	`that saves me a lot of worry`
`07:14.42`	`Nargiddley`	`basicly part of the wow api, just defined in lua`
`07:17.27`	`Elyssah`	`thanks.. now i should just be able to use the fuctions the same way they are used for CharacterFrame, just the settings changed to reflect my frames and buttons, yes?`
`07:17.35`	`Nargiddley`	`yeah`
`07:17.41`	`Elyssah`	`thanks`
`07:18.02`	`Nargiddley`	`make sure you inherit from the same templates as well, some of the functions will be part of those`
`07:29.12`	`Elyssah`	`ok.. question again...`
`07:29.30`	`Elyssah`	`what does this do: ( this:GetName() ??`
`07:34.29`	`Iriel`	`It calls the 'GetName' method on the object pointed to by this`
`07:34.43`	`Iriel`	`in wow that typically returns the name of the frame that's in the process of handling an event`
`07:36.55`	`art3mis`	`http://www.gothi.ca/Stuff/hellokitty-ui.jpg`
`07:36.56`	`art3mis`	`^^ updated lemme now whatcha think of the unitframes and new panels`
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`07:39.51`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`dear god that is an abomination`
`07:40.24`	`MoonWolf`	`thats a nice thing to hear when you log in`
`07:40.27`	`MoonWolf`	`ty mr_Rabies`
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`07:40.51`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`Moonwolf: <art3mis> http://www.gothi.ca/Stuff/hellokitty-ui.jpg`
`07:41.23`	`MoonWolf`	`ARG MY EYSE`
`07:41.33`	`MoonWolf`	`ze goggles, zey do nothing`
`07:41.42`	`art3mis`	`aside from the hideousness of it`
`07:41.58`	`MoonWolf`	`layout it pretty bad too`
`07:42.03`	`art3mis`	`how does the bottom panel and uf's look as far as keeping with theme and distrortion etc`
`07:42.21`	`art3mis`	`pretty bad how?`
`07:42.49`	`MoonWolf`	`imo`
`07:42.56`	`art3mis`	`thats fine ;P`
`07:43.00`	`art3mis`	`how is it bad?`
`07:43.23`	`MoonWolf`	`its to cluttered, and i really really hate it when uniframes are off center.`
`07:44.06`	`MoonWolf`	`a minimap is not the most important thing, so you don't put it in the bottom center, and due to all the bright colouring you eyes go everywhere they shouldn't be`
`07:44.25`	`MoonWolf`	`on top of that, the fubar could use some uncluttering too`
`07:44.51`	`art3mis`	`yeah fubar i still have to do`
`07:45.20`	`MoonWolf`	`and GOD why the colours and the hello kitty WHY WHY WHY`
`07:45.45`	`art3mis`	`it started as s joke in the forums`
`07:45.55`	`art3mis`	`gave me something to do`
`07:46.11`	`art3mis`	`and im learning a fair amount about textures and graphics n stuff in the process`
`07:46.45`	`MoonWolf`	`yeah`
`07:46.48`	`MoonWolf`	`that would be true`
`07:48.15`	`Thunder_Child`	`he's also learning how many people want to smash his fingers as well`
`07:48.23`	`art3mis`	`laugh`
`07:48.37`	`art3mis`	`ill be infamous though ;P`
`07:49.01`	`Thunder_Child`	`you want to be infamous?`
`07:49.54`	`art3mis`	`heh thers no such thing as bad publicity ;P`
`07:49.55`	`Igor_wow`	`the only thing worse than everyone talking about you, is everyone not talking about you`
`07:50.14`	`Igor_wow`	`trivia - what is Proudmore's Treasure?`
`07:50.15`	`art3mis`	`but i ahvent seen a negative comment yet on wowi`
`07:50.17`	`Thunder_Child`	`i'm quite happy with no one talking about me`
`07:50.41`	`Kaydeethree`	`no negative comments about HKIA?`
`07:50.50`	`art3mis`	`luike i said on wowace, 110ish downloads and im willing to bet 108 of them are jokes downloaded on to roommates computers ;P`
`07:50.54`	`art3mis`	`none`
`07:50.59`	`Kaydeethree`	`I can make that change real quick...`
`07:51.01`	`art3mis`	`im as surprised as you are`
`07:56.27`	`art3mis`	`http://www.gothi.ca/Stuff/hellokitty-ui.jpg <-- hows that layout moon? aside from fubar`
`07:57.55`	`Thunder_Child`	`"it burns us it does.."`
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`08:55.59`	`art3mis`	`http://www.blizzard.com/wow/screenshot.aspx?ImageIndex=146&Set=64`
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`09:05.40`	`Silviu-`	`kergoth ping ;p`
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`09:12.38`	`zenzelezz`	`"While I agree that Notepad is a powerful editor, I feel that Wordpad's ability to underline text on the same line edges it out for the extreme programmer. Plus, you can write your release notes in Wingdings."`
`09:12.44`	`zenzelezz`	`good old Slashdot comments`
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`09:52.09`	`AnduinLothar`	`i dunno i kinda like the way notepad ignores all non windows line endings like a young child reading his first paragraph and ignoring the periods`
`09:52.59`	`grephead`	`art3mis: why? http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/full9261.jpg`
`09:53.21`	`AnduinLothar`	`My eyes!`
`10:00.19`	`grephead`	`the ironic thing is that 'art3mis' is in pink in my irc client.`
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`11:04.31`	`Polarina`	`Haha... One managed to find a bug in the game where gold is disappearing when you go over 2^32 / 2 - 1 coppers! :P`
`11:06.49`	`nevcairiel`	`lol`
`11:07.28`	`nevcairiel`	`thats alot of gold.`
`11:08.43`	`Polarina`	`But why do they store it as a signed 32-bit integer?`
`11:09.49`	`bleeter`	`.. they figured no one would go over? or if they did, it'd be easy to restore it to a secondary toon on the same realm/account`
`11:09.59`	`Polarina`	`:P`
`11:10.17`	`Polarina`	`Well, It have been proven false then. :)`
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`11:11.45`	`zenzelezz`	`if you have that much gold you deserve to bug anyway`
`11:11.55`	`nevcairiel`	`hehe`
`11:12.38`	`bleeter`	`I suspect it was set as 32bit int in original game, just didn't occur to them to bump it when BC came out`
`11:12.52`	`bleeter`	`as the 'prolly never happen' was far more true pre-BC`
`11:13.10`	`zenzelezz`	`isn't 1 gold just 10'000 copper?`
`11:13.19`	`Polarina`	`bleeter: One managed to discover this bug for selling enchants and enchanting materials on AH in PTR. :)`
`11:13.53`	`bleeter`	`Polarina: in Wine? If so, I might take a little of the credit with ya :P`
`11:14.16`	`Polarina`	`bleeter: No, on 100% native Windows.`
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`11:17.00`	`bleeter`	`Polarina: traitor! :P`
`11:17.09`	`Polarina`	`:(`
`11:36.22`	`zenzelezz`	`PHP sites look so much better when you remember to AddType .php in the Apache config`
`11:38.15`	`nevcairiel`	`norly?`
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`14:45.51`	`Shirik`	`14(0711:3511:3114) 14(1115zenzelezz14) PHP sites look so much better when you remember to AddType .php in the Apache config`
`14:45.53`	`Shirik`	`could be worse`
`14:46.15`	`Shirik`	`For the longest time my site was broken because we moved to a new server, installed php 5 and it wouldn't for the life of me run on php 5`
`14:46.18`	`Shirik`	`it always ran as php 4`
`14:46.33`	`Shirik`	`Finally after a week of searching I found out only .php5 was registered to php 5... the rest went to php 4...`
`14:47.16`	`zenzelezz`	`ouch :-o`
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`15:05.25`	`amro`	`Shirik: yeah, php4->5 went very smoothly`
`15:05.35`	`Shirik`	`yeah, just not on my server :P`
`15:06.46`	`JoshBorke`	`Shirik: hi :D`
`15:06.50`	`amro`	`for awhile my site wouldn't work on some server, after a while I realized constructors don't work in php4. and for some reason passing args when initializing objects worked without errors`
`15:07.45`	`Shirik`	`oh, I had something more obvious :P`
`15:08.04`	`Shirik`	`no visibility rules in PHP 4 (protected, public, private)`
`15:08.09`	`Shirik`	`so it kept yelling at me`
`15:08.50`	`zenzelezz`	`~Shirik();`
`15:09.00`	`amro`	`I'm just glad my host now has python`
`15:09.12`	`Shirik`	`zenzelezz: error:1:Cannot call a constructor explicitly. Did you intend to use 'delete'?`
`15:09.13`	`amro`	`no mod_python, but CGI is better than nothing`
`15:09.18`	`Shirik`	`s/constructor/destructor/`
`15:09.20`	`zenzelezz`	`it's a destructor`
`15:09.25`	`Shirik`	`quiet ><`
`15:09.26`	`Shirik`	`I just woke up`
`15:10.41`	`Shirik`	`Also does PHP have destructors? Never used them`
`15:11.06`	`amro`	`yeah`
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`15:26.44`	`Industrial`	`<Get Rich Or Die Grinding>`
`15:26.45`	`Industrial`	`ha.`
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`15:45.41`	`Polarina`	`When I hide my interface the FPS goes up to 117 but when shown it drops down to 90 FPS. :(`
`15:48.18`	`foxlit`	`Aww? :)`
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`15:48.39`	`foxlit`	`Those 27 fps don't really make a difference, though? :)`
`15:49.45`	`Polarina`	`It does.`
`15:50.38`	`foxlit`	`Turn on vsync or something.`
`15:51.05`	`Polarina`	`It is turned on.`
`15:51.32`	`foxlit`	`That's... interesting. so 117 should really be 120`
`15:51.43`	`Polarina`	`Nope, it is 117.`
`15:52.07`	`Vangual`	`triplebuffering ftw :)`
`15:52.44`	`Polarina`	`There's no option for Tripple buffering in Video Options here.`
`15:53.00`	`Shirik`	`Polarina: Only when vsync is turned on`
`15:53.11`	`Shirik`	`and furthermore only if your video card can support it`
`15:53.22`	`Polarina`	`Shirik: It is turned on and checked. And there's no option for tripple buffering. And my video card does support it.`
`15:53.32`	`Shirik`	`it should be immediately below vsync`
`15:53.36`	`Polarina`	`It isn't.`
`15:53.38`	`foxlit`	`More realistically, what doesn't support triple buffering?`
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`15:53.47`	`Polarina`	`And I can't select Hardware Cursor.`
`15:53.50`	`Shirik`	`integrated cards :P`
`15:54.00`	`Vangual`	`anything reaching 117 likely does triple tho`
`15:54.04`	`foxlit`	`Wouldn't be getting 120fps on integerated hearts tbh :)`
`15:54.08`	`Shirik`	`hehe`
`15:54.22`	`Polarina`	`I don't have an integrated video card. :)`
`15:54.23`	`zenzelezz`	`integrated hearts?`
`15:54.30`	`Shirik`	`Vangual: I don't see why you can say that`
`15:54.39`	`Shirik`	`it would have to be above 120 to prove that it supports triple buffering`
`15:54.51`	`foxlit`	`Yeah, as opposed to external, replaceable hearts`
`15:54.55`	`Shirik`	`anything below that can easily be done with only 2 buffers`
`15:55.09`	`Vangual`	`Shirik: what about it being "above the 90 mark"?`
`15:55.29`	`Shirik`	`amusingly though`
`15:55.33`	`Shirik`	`why does it matter if it's over 60?`
`15:55.47`	`foxlit`	`Hm, actually`
`15:55.51`	`Vangual`	`triple buffer gains have nothing to do with a magic number of 120, just with numbers not multiples of the refresh rate`
`15:55.54`	`zenzelezz`	`I don't care about my framerate as long as it's above 30`
`15:55.57`	`Shirik`	`if your monitor can't refresh at that rate, there's no real gain`
`15:56.20`	`foxlit`	`Newer LCDs have relatively low response times`
`15:56.48`	`zenzelezz`	`FPS counts are usually just bogus calculations based on the last rendered frame`
`15:56.49`	`Shirik`	`Vangual: If you're only rotating buffers on each frame refresh, then it is impossible to use more than 2 buffers below 120 (there is some extra processing time, but this is a general idea)`
`15:57.18`	`Shirik`	`you may use 3, but one's just sitting there on it's butt`
`15:57.24`	`Shirik`	`while the other two are doing something`
`15:57.46`	`foxlit`	`The checkbox silently disappears on my mac`
`15:57.58`	`foxlit`	`But it's there on the PC. I guess DX/GL implementation varies.`
`15:58.28`	`Shirik`	`but still my question stands`
`15:58.42`	`Shirik`	`even with low response times, if your monitor only refreshes at 60Hz, then it will only be able to do 60Hz :P`
`15:58.55`	`Shirik`	`120fps is irrelevant. Half the frames are just being thrown out`
`15:59.12`	`Polarina`	`My screen is 75Hz.`
`15:59.25`	`Shirik`	`ok so like 3/8 of them are :P`
`15:59.47`	`Shirik`	`lua> return (120-75)/120`
`15:59.47`	`cladbot`	`Shirik: 0.375`
`15:59.59`	`Shirik`	`lua> return 3/8`
`15:59.59`	`cladbot`	`Shirik: 0.375`
`16:00.00`	`Shirik`	`wow`
`16:00.04`	`Shirik`	`I guessed right`
`16:00.09`	`Polarina`	`:)`
`16:00.12`	`Wobin_`	`damnit =(`
`16:00.19`	`Wobin_`	`I can't manage the third keyfrag`
`16:00.20`	`Cidan`	`No guessing!`
`16:00.24`	`Wobin_`	`solo, anyway`
`16:00.25`	`Cidan`	`Show your work!`
`16:00.43`	`Shirik`	`~lart Cidan`
`16:00.43`	`purl`	`declares Cidan a moron`
`16:00.48`	`Shirik`	`moron.`
`16:01.16`	`Cidan`	`:(`
`16:01.27`	`Shirik`	`I'm gonna do some work on Encounters today`
`16:01.29`	`Cidan`	`You always treat me like trash in public baby.`
`16:01.31`	`Shirik`	`<3`
`16:01.33`	`Cidan`	`I'm not going to take it anymore!`
`16:01.37`	`Shirik`	`k cya`
`16:01.41`	`Cidan`	`I'm standing up for it!`
`16:01.43`	`Shirik`	`wtb new partner for Conspiracy, PST`
`16:01.51`	`Cidan`	`:(`
`16:01.54`	`Shirik`	`<3`
`16:04.09`	`foxlit`	`http://www.techmind.org/lcd/dotinvrgb2lb.html`
`16:06.21`	`Cidan`	`with 60?`
`16:07.01`	`foxlit`	`Did actually flicker for me, but doesn't seem to anymore.`
`16:07.11`	`foxlit`	`Dragging the window gives the same effect, though`
`16:08.24`	`Shirik`	`now THIS flickers for me: http://www.techmind.org/lcd/dotinv2lb.html`
`16:08.54`	`Cidan`	`I get none`
`16:08.59`	`Cidan`	`LCD or CRT?`
`16:09.25`	`Shirik`	`LCD`
`16:10.27`	`Shirik`	`http://www.techmind.org/lcd/dotinv.html`
`16:10.28`	`Shirik`	`does too`
`16:11.19`	`Shirik`	`interesting little page foxlit`
`16:11.19`	`Cidan`	`that does`
`16:11.20`	`foxlit`	`All tree seem fine on a laptop screen; samsung 205bw seems to dislike the first one most`
`16:11.25`	`Cidan`	`that second one does`
`16:11.32`	`Shirik`	`aye mine's a samsung`
`16:11.49`	`Shirik`	`wait`
`16:11.54`	`Shirik`	`ok... wierd :P`
`16:11.55`	`Cidan`	`Mine is a Westinghouse, hmm`
`16:12.02`	`Shirik`	`but mine's a TV`
`16:12.07`	`Shirik`	`so they may have done something different`
`16:12.45`	`Cidan`	`What is your refresh rate?`
`16:12.58`	`foxlit`	`60`
`16:13.04`	`Cidan`	`Hmm, 75 here.`
`16:13.07`	`Shirik`	`uh`
`16:13.19`	`Shirik`	`60 I think`
`16:13.25`	`Shirik`	`can't really check atm`
`16:13.26`	`foxlit`	`Doesn't really matter`
`16:13.29`	`Cidan`	`I can't stand 60, LCD or CRT.`
`16:13.46`	`foxlit`	`There's nothing to refresh - the pattern of pixels stays constant`
`16:14.14`	`Industrial`	`wowhead.com has gone byebye?`
`16:14.19`	`Industrial`	`bet they are upgrading the site`
`16:15.00`	`foxlit`	`http://www.techmind.org/lcd/crosstalk3.html`
`16:15.10`	`foxlit`	`drag the browser window around, fn`
`16:15.13`	`foxlit`	`*fun`
`16:15.29`	`Shirik`	`I have to resize, but I see it`
`16:15.38`	`foxlit`	`At least on the laptop`
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`16:23.03`	`Shirik`	`>>= foo()`
`16:23.14`	`Shirik`	`Cide: What was that other command again?`
`16:23.21`	`Cide`	`>>?`
`16:23.26`	`Shirik`	`oh right`
`16:23.27`	`Shirik`	`thanks`
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`16:31.33`	`Wobin_`	`http://www.metacafe.com/watch/805765/how_to_untangle_headphones_using_a_cat/`
`16:35.13`	`Shirik`	`omg.`
`16:35.28`	`Wobin_`	`that's what -I- said!`
`16:35.40`	`Wobin_`	`FLOSS THE CAT`
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`16:44.28`	`foxlit`	`So, um, yeah.`
`16:44.34`	`foxlit`	`HitRectInsets - protected in combat?`
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`16:45.14`	`Cide`	`should be`
`16:45.28`	`Cide`	`it'd be exploitable otherwise`
`16:50.51`	`\|Jelly\|`	`!c us burning legion syrium`
`16:50.53`	`ThraeBot`	`\|Jelly\|: Syrium, Level 36 Blood Elf Paladin (27/0/0). 1821 HP; 1529 Mana; 65 mana regen; 2232 Armour; 366 AP; 55.9 Melee DPS; 5.33% melee crit; 5.25% dodge; 4.76% block;[[ TBR: 217 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2hauyz ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/3ckk6h ][ Updated: Sat Sep 8 13:02:50 2007 ]]`
`16:51.32`	`Shirik`	`!c us drenden kimina`
`16:51.34`	`ThraeBot`	`Shirik: Kimina, Level 70 Blood Elf Priest (23/38/0). 5411 HP; 8805 Mana; 375 mana regen; 118 mp5; 26 spell crit; 129 +spell dmg; 936 +heal; 5.06% dodge;[[ TBR: 913 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2fx6zd ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2pkb3p ][ Updated: Sat Sep 8 13:03:31 2007 ]]`
`16:51.36`	`Shirik`	`whooo`
`16:51.46`	`Shirik`	`\|Jelly\| might be able to beat me now :(`
`16:51.58`	`Shirik`	`!vs us burning legion jelly us drenden kimina`
`16:52.00`	`ThraeBot`	`Shirik: Jelly vs Kimina! Two 70 priests square off!; Kimina wins by 363 TBRs!`
`16:52.04`	`Shirik`	`nm >.>`
`16:52.04`	`Polarina`	`!c eu scarshield legion polarina`
`16:52.07`	`ThraeBot`	`Polarina: Polarina, Level 61 Night Elf Hunter (0/7/45). 4733 HP; 3451 Mana; 88 mana regen; 2 mp5; 3087 Armour; 702 AP; 113.7 Melee DPS; 14.98% melee crit; 589 RAP; 122.2 Ranged DPS; 22.18% ranged crit; 20.49% dodge; 5 arcane resist; 25 nature resist (+10);[[ TBR: 620 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/24sfbz ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2q2of9 ][ Updated: Sat Sep 8 13:04:03 2007 ]]`
`16:52.14`	`Polarina`	`Still 61?`
`16:52.17`	`Polarina`	`It's 63!`
`16:52.26`	`Shirik`	`][ Updated: Sat Sep 8 13:04:03 2007 ]]`
`16:52.29`	`Shirik`	`did you log out?`
`16:52.32`	`Polarina`	`Yes.`
`16:52.37`	`Shirik`	`blame WoW :P`
`16:52.43`	`Polarina`	`Many days ago when I dinged 63.`
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`16:56.39`	`Shirik`	`woot!`
`16:56.44`	`Shirik`	`I just broke 1k +healing self-buffed :D`
`16:57.08`	`Cide`	`now get to 2k`
`16:57.11`	`Shirik`	`=(`
`16:57.39`	`Shirik`	`!c us drenden kimina`
`16:57.39`	`ThraeBot`	`Shirik: Kimina, Level 70 Blood Elf Priest (23/38/0). 5411 HP; 8805 Mana; 375 mana regen; 118 mp5; 26 spell crit; 129 +spell dmg; 936 +heal; 5.06% dodge;[[ TBR: 913 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2fx6zd ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2pkb3p ][ Updated: Sat Sep 8 13:03:31 2007 ]]`
`16:57.46`	`Shirik`	`bleh`
`16:57.50`	`Shirik`	`damn you ThraeBot update!`
`16:58.06`	`Shirik`	`also Thrae I think your clock is way off`
`16:58.20`	`Shirik`	`by like 10 minutes`
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`17:00.12`	`Olison`	`its not ThraeBot, the bot just gets the info from the armory`
`17:00.12`	`Shirik`	`the armory has been updated`
`17:00.12`	`Shirik`	`ThraeBot has not`
`17:00.15`	`Shirik`	`because it's using the old data that I requested about 10 minute ago`
`17:00.39`	`Shirik`	`14(1211:5011:4214) 14(11158ThraeBot14) Shirik: Kimina, Level 70 Blood Elf Priest (23/38/0). ... [ Updated: Sat Sep 8 13:03:31 2007 ]]`
`17:00.55`	`Shirik`	`1211:5611:4614) 14(11158ThraeBot14) Shirik: Kimina, Level 70 Blood Elf Priest (23/38/0). ... [ Updated: Sat Sep 8 13:03:31 2007 ]]`
`17:01.00`	`Shirik`	`see? ;)`
`17:01.13`	`Olison`	`indeed`
`17:01.17`	`Olison`	`Thrae: fix that bot :P`
`17:01.26`	`Shirik`	`it's a good idea`
`17:01.29`	`Shirik`	`in most cases it won't matter`
`17:02.26`	`Olison`	`[19:01:46] <Olison> !c kimina drenden -us`
`17:02.26`	`Olison`	`[19:01:48] -MrUseful- Kimina, 70 Blood Elf Priest (23/38/0, Holy) <Enigma> \| HP: 6431 MP: 8520 Resilience: 0 (-0.00%) \| +Healing: 1031 # Mana Regen(Casting): 123 \| http://tinyurl.com/2fx6zd`
`17:02.27`	`Olison`	`:-D`
`17:02.34`	`Shirik`	`yey`
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`17:07.57`	`foxlit`	`Shirik: my cache code there.`
`17:08.18`	`foxlit`	`It wouldn't update unless it was restarted, iirc.`
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`17:13.49`	`foxlit`	`Hm, stop.`
`17:13.57`	`foxlit`	`HitRectInsets is still abusable (?)`
`17:14.48`	`Cide`	`how so?`
`17:14.59`	`foxlit`	`Position an unprotected frame above a protected one, modify its hitrectinsets to enable/disable access to the secure frame below.`
`17:15.34`	`Cide`	`that doesn't do very much for you though`
`17:16.03`	`Cide`	`you can :SetAlpha() the frame to "show"/"hide" it if you want, too`
`17:16.14`	`foxlit`	`Yeah, but clicking that would still click the frame`
`17:16.25`	`Cide`	`yes, but you're still telling the user when to click it`
`17:16.44`	`foxlit`	`I can stop the user from clicking it based on some arbitrary condition`
`17:16.50`	`Cide`	`the same functionality was previously possible with :Enable()/:Disable(), but those were made protected because they were exploitable with macros`
`17:16.54`	`foxlit`	`Which is why :Show()/:Hide() is protected in the same place`
`17:16.58`	`Cide`	`no`
`17:17.07`	`Cide`	`:Show()/Hide() can do a lot more`
`17:18.33`	`foxlit`	`True, actually.`
`17:20.46`	`Cide`	`:Show()/:Hide() would give you access to several different actions depending on arbitrary conditions`
`17:20.55`	`Cide`	`HitRectInsets only enables/disables a single one`
`17:22.07`	`foxlit`	`You can still abuse /click to shreds, but that's another topic`
`17:22.35`	`foxlit`	`I wonder why they fixed enable/disable by protecting those methods rather than making click ignore them`
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`17:24.15`	`Cide`	`likely because click just simulates a mouse click`
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`17:38.35`	`Lunessa`	`WTB; World population with a clue. Serious offers only. Used populations considered.`
`17:45.36`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Doomhammer!`
`17:45.48`	`ScytheBlade1`	`But then again, unless you're geared in epics, you'll have no PvE progression.`
`17:46.13`	`kergoth`	`Silviu-, pong`
`17:47.08`	`Silviu-`	`kergoth mhh it was a "bugreport" for PerfBlock but i saw someone else posted on wowi .. that thing with not remembering alpha on background and border after relog/reloadui etc`
`17:48.25`	`kergoth`	`i can't reproduce it :(`
`17:48.29`	`kergoth`	`trying to`
`17:51.28`	`Cide`	`just make savedvariables read-only and you're set`
`17:54.54`	`clad\|sleep`	`this commenter makes me want to stab myself int he face`
`17:54.55`	`clad\|sleep`	`http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=7017&jump=48785#cmnt48766`
`17:56.43`	`Shirik`	`rofl`
`17:56.47`	`Shirik`	`that's pretty good`
`17:56.55`	`cladhaire`	`last comment`
`17:57.00`	`cladhaire`	`"Just fix it`
`17:57.03`	`cladhaire`	`lol`
`17:57.25`	`cogwheel`	`I got your back clad :)`
`17:57.29`	`cladhaire`	`lol`
`17:58.40`	`Shirik`	`!c us drenden kimina`
`17:58.40`	`ThraeBot`	`Shirik: Kimina, Level 70 Blood Elf Priest (23/38/0). 5411 HP; 8805 Mana; 375 mana regen; 118 mp5; 26 spell crit; 129 +spell dmg; 936 +heal; 5.06% dodge;[[ TBR: 913 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2fx6zd ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2pkb3p ][ Updated: Sat Sep 8 13:03:31 2007 ]]`
`17:58.45`	`Shirik`	`grr`
`17:58.47`	`Shirik`	`wrong again!`
`17:59.06`	`Shirik`	`So I've gained over 300+healing and about 50 mp5 in 48 hours`
`17:59.10`	`Shirik`	`I'm impressed :`
`17:59.12`	`Shirik`	`=P`
`17:59.12`	`cladhaire`	`nice`
`17:59.33`	`Thrae`	`Shirik: Eh?`
`17:59.39`	`Lunessa`	`cladhaire: Stab HIM in the face. Really, it's less painful and would do society a favor.`
`17:59.41`	`Shirik`	`Thrae: Your bot is caching stuff :(`
`17:59.58`	`Thrae`	`Shirik: For 2 minutes`
`18:00.04`	`Shirik`	`uh`
`18:00.06`	`Shirik`	`more like an hour`
`18:00.09`	`Shirik`	`at least`
`18:00.23`	`Thrae`	`Shirik: Lemme check`
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`18:00.36`	`Shirik`	`I should be showing as +1066 healing and something around 400 mp5`
`18:00.44`	`Shirik`	`it's still giving the same stuff I asked for an hour ago`
`18:02.51`	`Thrae`	`!mload armorystats`
`18:02.51`	`ThraeBot`	`Loaded [armorystats]`
`18:04.53`	`Thrae`	`!mload armorystats`
`18:04.53`	`ThraeBot`	`Loaded [armorystats]`
`18:05.13`	`Thrae`	`!c us drenden kimina`
`18:05.16`	`ThraeBot`	`Thrae: Kimina, Level 70 Blood Elf Priest (23/38/0). 5411 HP; 9120 Mana; 414 mana regen; 130 mp5; 145 +spell dmg; 1066 +heal; 5.06% dodge;[[ TBR: 476 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2fx6zd ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2pkb3p ][ Updated: Sat Sep 8 14:17:13 2007 ]]`
`18:05.35`	`Thrae`	`There you go -- hopefully I fixed whatever cache issue it was having`
`18:07.11`	`ScytheBlade1`	`!c us doomhammer sbo`
`18:07.13`	`ThraeBot`	`ScytheBlade1: Sbo, Level 70 Gnome Mage (1/57/3). 7373 HP; 9071 Mana; 177 mana regen; 8 mp5; 109 spell crit; 171 spell hit; 873 +spell dmg/heal; 5.14% dodge; 10 arcane resist (+10);[[ TBR: 985 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2jmwgj ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/yruwso ][ Updated: Sat Sep 8 14:19:10 2007 ]]`
`18:07.30`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Hawt, 5.14% dodge`
`18:15.46`	`Lunessa`	`!c us kirin tor unkle`
`18:15.49`	`ThraeBot`	`Lunessa: Unkle, Level 70 Draenei Shaman (0/48/13). 6569 HP; 6812 Mana; 103 mana regen; 4 mp5; 4011 Armour; 1001 AP; 165.1 Melee DPS; 19.28% melee crit; 119 melee hit; 14.11% dodge; 5% block; 3 resilience; 10 shadow resist (+10);[[ TBR: 773 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/ys8ftt ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2ukk33 ][ Updated: Sat Sep 8 14:27:46 2007 ]]`
`18:16.19`	`Lunessa`	`Handy little bot that.`
`18:17.22`	`Thrae`	`!c us kirin tor unkle, head`
`18:17.23`	`ThraeBot`	`Thrae: head is not the character you are looking for!`
`18:17.26`	`Thrae`	`!ge us kirin tor unkle, head`
`18:17.37`	`ThraeBot`	`Thrae: Unkle, Level 70 Draenei Shaman (0/48/13); Head: [Helm of Desolation] (iL115 Purple) \|\| Item: http://tinyurl.com/272odu \|\| Char: http://tinyurl.com/ys8ftt \|\| Updated: Sat Sep 8 14:29:25 2007 \|\|`
`18:17.51`	`kergoth`	`neat`
`18:17.54`	`ScytheBlade1`	`!ge us doomhammer sbo`
`18:18.03`	`Thrae`	`!help ge`
`18:18.04`	`ThraeBot`	`!ge <eu/us> <server> <character name>, <slot> -- Show info of a given's chcharacter specific gear slot (number or name), picked right from the Armoury. Remember it needs a comma! Slots (start at 0): Head, Neck, Shoulder, Shirt, Chest, Belt, Legs, Feet, Wrist, Gloves, 1st Ring, 2nd Ring, 1st Trinket, 2nd Trinket, Back, Main hand, Off hand, Ranged/Relic/Idol, Tabard`
`18:18.14`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Bah, slot is required?`
`18:18.15`	`Lunessa`	`Thrae is that an upgrade finder based on armory?`
`18:18.21`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I wanted to spam the channel again :P`
`18:18.36`	`Thrae`	`Lunessa: No, it just shows you what you have on`
`18:18.41`	`ScytheBlade1`	`!ge us doomhammer sbo, main hand`
`18:18.51`	`ThraeBot`	`ScytheBlade1: Sbo, Level 70 Gnome Mage (1/57/3); Main hand: [Continuum Blade] (iL115 Blue) \|\| Item: http://tinyurl.com/2hfj8h \|\| Char: http://tinyurl.com/2jmwgj \|\| Updated: Sat Sep 8 14:30:41 2007 \|\|`
`18:18.57`	`Lunessa`	`Helm of Desolation isn't purple.`
`18:19.03`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Yup, I need to upgrade that`
`18:21.47`	`buu`	`FREAKS.`
`18:22.30`	`buu`	`Eek. Gnomes.`
`18:23.11`	`Thrae`	`Lunessa: Yep, just checked armoury -- it's their bug, not mine`
`18:23.31`	`Lunessa`	`k`
`18:24.05`	`Thrae`	`Lunessa: Showing up as a quality of 4, which should be Purple, unless it's suppose to be Bluish-Purple`
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`18:24.20`	`Lunessa`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:25.11`	`Thrae`	`Lunessa: Yeah, the tooltip also shows blue`
`18:25.19`	`Thrae`	`On the armoury. shrug`
`18:25.34`	`Lunessa`	`Armory data is wrong, zomg, so shocking!`
`18:25.50`	`Shirik`	`Thrae: Are you aware`
`18:25.58`	`Shirik`	`I increased my stats significantly and lost 500 TBRs?`
`18:26.45`	`Shirik`	`14(1311:5711:4714) 14(11158ThraeBot14) Shirik: Kimina, Level 70 Blood Elf Priest (23/38/0). 5411 HP; 8805 Mana; 375 mana regen; 118 mp5; 26 spell crit; 129 +spell dmg; 936 +heal; 5.06% dodge;[[ TBR: 913 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2fx6zd ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2pkb3p ][ Updated: Sat Sep 8 13:03:31 2007 ]]`
`18:26.49`	`Shirik`	`14(1411:0411:2314) 14(1115ThraeBot14) Thrae: Kimina, Level 70 Blood Elf Priest (23/38/0). 5411 HP; 9120 Mana; 414 mana regen; 130 mp5; 145 +spell dmg; 1066 +heal; 5.06% dodge;[[ TBR: 476 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2fx6zd ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2pkb3p ][ Updated: Sat Sep 8 14:17:13 2007 ]]`
`18:27.07`	`Shirik`	`maybe this can help you isolate the problem with priests in !vs ?`
`18:27.58`	`Thrae`	`Shirik: Spell Crit goes for a lot`
`18:28.05`	`Shirik`	`oh, crap I was wearing the wrong trinket`
`18:28.07`	`Shirik`	`blah`
`18:28.24`	`Thrae`	`Shirik: Mana Regen, Dodge, and Mp5 are all ignored in !vs`
`18:28.45`	`Shirik`	`yeah but I gained 200 +heal and 20 damage`
`18:29.06`	`Thrae`	`The +20 damage will add a little to the TBR, but not as much as spell crit`
`18:29.20`	`nevcairiel`	`i can win against other players without one point of dmg or spellcrit`
`18:29.33`	`Shirik`	`sure`
`18:29.35`	`nevcairiel`	`thats just wrong :)`
`18:29.35`	`Shirik`	`if they're afk`
`18:29.38`	`nevcairiel`	`nah`
`18:30.05`	`nevcairiel`	`i just outheal them`
`18:30.26`	`nevcairiel`	`mana users run oom sooner or later`
`18:30.46`	`nevcairiel`	`rogues are a bit tricky, but doable`
`18:31.29`	`nevcairiel`	`wonder what my tbr actually is`
`18:31.30`	`Thrae`	`Everyone I talked to said they can beat a Holy Priest w/ no DPS`
`18:31.37`	`Shirik`	`they can :P`
`18:31.44`	`nevcairiel`	`!c eu antonidas nevcairiel`
`18:31.44`	`Shirik`	`unless said holy priest has resilience`
`18:31.46`	`ThraeBot`	`nevcairiel: Nevcairiel, Level 70 Night Elf Druid (1/0/60). 7884 HP; 8885 Mana; 356 mana regen; 178 mp5; 3.96% melee crit; 1672 +heal; 4.23% dodge; 31 resilience; 10 nature resist (+10);[[ TBR: 561 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/yqhy7q ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/32vjf8 ][ Updated: Sat Sep 8 14:43:43 2007 ]]`
`18:31.51`	`Shirik`	`then they're damn near impossible to kill`
`18:32.09`	`Thrae`	`Only a 'lil bit of resilience there`
`18:32.20`	`nevcairiel`	`pve equip tho`
`18:32.22`	`nevcairiel`	`plus a druid`
`18:32.29`	`nevcairiel`	`not a holy priest`
`18:32.33`	`Thrae`	`TBR does not add Druids`
`18:32.37`	`Shirik`	`resto druids just suck in pvp`
`18:32.42`	`Shirik`	`i.e., suck to fight against`
`18:32.46`	`nevcairiel`	`heh`
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`18:34.25`	`buu`	`Shirik: Only if they have someone else =[`
`18:34.45`	`nevcairiel`	`as resto druid you can live long enough to get help`
`18:34.47`	`nevcairiel`	`thats about it`
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`18:34.56`	`nevcairiel`	`pretty damn annoying for your attackers tho :P`
`18:35.21`	`nevcairiel`	`i love doing 2 man arena against warriors, whose partner cannot dispell magic`
`18:35.23`	`nevcairiel`	`rooting ftw`
`18:35.33`	`Shirik`	`!c us drenden kimina`
`18:35.35`	`ThraeBot`	`Shirik: Kimina, Level 70 Blood Elf Priest (23/38/0). 5411 HP; 9120 Mana; 414 mana regen; 130 mp5; 26 spell crit; 145 +spell dmg; 1066 +heal; 5.06% dodge;[[ TBR: 704 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2fx6zd ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2pkb3p ][ Updated: Sat Sep 8 14:47:33 2007 ]]`
`18:35.35`	`nevcairiel`	`i picture them crying`
`18:35.36`	`nevcairiel`	`:P`
`18:35.41`	`Shirik`	`hm, still no Thrae`
`18:35.49`	`Shirik`	`I still lost 200 TBR somewhere`
`18:36.07`	`Shirik`	`14(1311:5711:4714) 14(11158ThraeBot14) Shirik: Kimina, Level 70 Blood Elf Priest (23/38/0). 5411 HP; 8805 Mana; 375 mana regen; 118 mp5; 26 spell crit; 129 +spell dmg; 936 +heal; 5.06% dodge;[[ TBR: 913 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2fx6zd ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2pkb3p ][ Updated: Sat Sep 8 13:03:31 2007 ]]`
`18:36.40`	`buu`	`nevcairiel: Haha, I was in a bg the otherday with a resto druid, root is just mean`
`18:36.43`	`Shirik`	`and as far as I can tell, everything went up or stayed the same`
`18:39.54`	`ScytheBlade1`	`No wonder I lose every single !vs against an equal level char`
`18:40.03`	`ScytheBlade1`	`wtb less value on crit, more on damage :P`
`18:40.13`	`Shirik`	`ScytheBlade1: There's something else going on too`
`18:40.19`	`Shirik`	`because every stat there is the same or increased`
`18:40.21`	`Shirik`	`and I dropped :/`
`18:40.44`	`ScytheBlade1`	`!vs us drenden kimina us doomhammer sbo`
`18:40.45`	`ThraeBot`	`ScytheBlade1: Kimina vs Sbo! A L70 priest and a L70 mage square off!; 23/38/0 vs 1/57/3; Sbo wins by 302 TBRs!`
`18:40.50`	`ScytheBlade1`	`HOW THE FACK`
`18:40.57`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I've NEVER won by more than six.`
`18:40.58`	`ScytheBlade1`	`EVER.`
`18:41.14`	`ScytheBlade1`	`!vs us doomhammer myrothin us doomhammer sbo`
`18:41.17`	`ThraeBot`	`ScytheBlade1: Myrothin vs Sbo! Two 70 mages square off!; 10/48/3 vs 1/57/3; Sbo wins by 5 TBRs!`
`18:41.46`	`ScytheBlade1`	`And that's odd too, as if you go by straight numbers, that mage owns my face`
`18:41.47`	`Shirik`	`~comfort ScytheBlade1`
`18:41.47`	`purl`	`There, there, ScytheBlade1. It's OK. I'm here for you.`
`18:41.56`	`ScytheBlade1`	`It's... odd`
`18:42.49`	`Thrae`	`Hmmm`
`18:43.27`	`Thrae`	`!co us doomhammer myrothin us doomhammer sbo`
`18:43.28`	`ThraeBot`	`Thrae: Myrothin vs Sbo! Two 70 mages compare their stat differences; 10/48/3 vs 1/57/3; Myrothin ++660 HP; Myrothin ++0.48% dodge; Myrothin ++10 shadow resist; Myrothin ++172 arcane dmg; Sbo ++21 spell hit; Sbo ++10 arcane resist; Myrothin ++210 spell crit; Myrothin ++172 fire dmg; Myrothin ++445 Armour; Myrothin ++798 +spelldmg; Sbo ++600 Mana; Myrothin ++5 mana regen; Sbo ++873 +spelldmg/heal; M`
`18:43.28`	`ThraeBot`	`yrothin ++33 All Resists; Sbo ++2 mp5; Myrothin has 2% more stats then Sbo.`
`18:43.53`	`ScytheBlade1`	`+210 crit, +172 fire`
`18:44.15`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Yeah.`
`18:45.34`	`Thrae`	`!mload armorystats`
`18:45.34`	`ThraeBot`	`Loaded [armorystats]`
`18:45.40`	`Thrae`	`!vs us doomhammer myrothin us doomhammer sbo`
`18:45.43`	`ThraeBot`	`Thrae: Myrothin vs Sbo! Two 70 mages square off!; 10/48/3 vs 1/57/3; Myrothin wins by 43 TBRs!`
`18:46.06`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Bit better, but as I have no idea just how a 'TBR' is qualified, good enough ;)`
`18:46.17`	`Thrae`	`ScytheBlade1: Between two classes, 40 is a high value`
`18:46.27`	`Thrae`	`Err, two of the SAME class`
`18:46.37`	`Thrae`	`Because each of you should have roughly the same stats`
`18:46.46`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Fair enough`
`18:46.55`	`\|Jelly\|`	`!c us burning legion moraine`
`18:46.56`	`ThraeBot`	`\|Jelly\|: moraine is not the character you are looking for!`
`18:47.29`	`Thrae`	`I increased the weights on spell crit +2, and reslience and fire damage + 1.`
`18:47.47`	`Thrae`	`\|Jelly\|: You fail`
`18:47.50`	`Thrae`	`~fail`
`18:47.50`	`purl`	`ACTION gives thrae the worst grade imaginable, an A minus... minus!`
`18:47.58`	`Shirik`	`~fail Thrae`
`18:47.59`	`purl`	`Thrae: Fail.`
`18:48.03`	`\|Jelly\|`	`No. The guy telling me that he has full T5 fails.`
`18:48.03`	`ScytheBlade1`	`There you go`
`18:48.12`	`Shirik`	`\|Jelly\|: Rofl`
`18:48.18`	`Thrae`	`Haha`
`18:48.29`	`Shirik`	`!vs us drenden kimina us burning legion jelly`
`18:48.33`	`ThraeBot`	`Shirik: Kimina vs Jelly! Two 70 priests square off!; Kimina wins by 154 TBRs!`
`18:48.35`	`Shirik`	`=(`
`18:48.36`	`Thrae`	`\|Jelly\|: Copy and paste ThraeBot's response to him`
`18:48.39`	`Shirik`	`How do I still win!`
`18:48.53`	`Thrae`	`!c us burning legion jelly`
`18:48.54`	`ThraeBot`	`Thrae: Jelly, Level 70 Blood Elf Priest (23/38/0). 6821 HP; 10005 Mana; 343 mana regen; 125 mp5; 90 +spell dmg; 1539 +heal; 5.06% dodge;[[ TBR: 550 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/yrmc88 ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2mw2d7 ][ Updated: Sat Sep 8 15:00:31 2007 ]]`
`18:48.55`	`ScytheBlade1`	`!vs us doomhammer sbo us drenden kimina`
`18:48.56`	`ThraeBot`	`ScytheBlade1: Sbo vs Kimina! A L70 mage and a L70 priest square off!; 1/57/3 vs 23/38/0; Sbo wins by 256 TBRs!`
`18:49.02`	`Shirik`	`~hug \|Jelly\|`
`18:49.02`	`purl`	`ACTION hugs \|Jelly\|`
`18:49.13`	`\|Jelly\|`	`:(`
`18:49.21`	`ScytheBlade1`	`100% honest, a properly played healing priest can and usually does own my face`
`18:49.25`	`Thrae`	`!co us drenden kimina us burning legion jelly`
`18:49.26`	`ThraeBot`	`Thrae: Kimina vs Jelly! Two 70 priests compare their stat differences; Jelly ++1410 HP; Jelly ++473 +healing; Kimina ++55 +spelldmg; Kimina ++26 spell crit; Jelly ++885 Mana; Kimina ++71 mana regen; Jelly ++277 Armour; Kimina ++5 mp5; Kimina has 5% more stats then Jelly.`
`18:49.37`	`ScytheBlade1`	`!vs us doomhammer react us doomhammer myrothin`
`18:49.38`	`Shirik`	`er`
`18:49.40`	`ThraeBot`	`ScytheBlade1: React vs Myrothin! A L70 druid and a L70 mage square off!; 20/0/41 vs 10/48/3; Myrothin wins by 157 TBRs!`
`18:50.08`	`ScytheBlade1`	`And I'm pretty sure that resto druid decimates people.`
`18:50.15`	`Shirik`	`how exactly did it come to that 5% conclusion?`
`18:50.19`	`Thrae`	`Shirik: Why shouldn't you win? You're both Holy/Disc`
`18:50.21`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Something about healing 2k HP/tick`
`18:50.37`	`Shirik`	`I dunno, I guess it's a bit close`
`18:50.46`	`Silviu-`	`kergoth easy way to reproduce, delete your savedvar, and addon ... redownload from wowi, enter game make alpha on background to 0, and on border to 0, reload your ui and they are back to normal until u open options :P`
`18:50.49`	`Shirik`	`it used to be a lot more pronounced`
`18:50.54`	`Thrae`	`Shirik: Adding up the % of stat differences...`
`18:50.55`	`\|Jelly\|`	`[P] <Lizzi>: Oh, ok. Cause your lock doesn't exist at all. Any server. There is no level 70 lock named Moraine. GG though.`
`18:50.58`	`\|Jelly\|`	`That will have to do.`
`18:51.05`	`Shirik`	`haha`
`18:51.14`	`Shirik`	`lizzi?`
`18:51.23`	`Shirik`	`!c us burning legion lizzi`
`18:51.25`	`ThraeBot`	`Shirik: Lizzi, Level 40 Undead Warlock (0/31/0). 1956 HP; 3536 Mana; 94 mana regen; 5 +spell dmg/heal; 4.57% dodge; 5 shadow resist (+10);[[ TBR: 223 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/ypmnv8 ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2kwe37 ][ Updated: Sat Sep 8 15:03:23 2007 ]]`
`18:51.29`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Thrae, does ThraeBot accept whispers? I want to test without channel spamming`
`18:51.39`	`Shirik`	`it does`
`18:52.23`	`\|Jelly\|`	`!c us burning legion moranie`
`18:52.26`	`ThraeBot`	`\|Jelly\|: Moranie, Level 65 Undead Warlock (17/17/21). 4613 HP; 5303 Mana; 105 mana regen; 4 mp5; 47 spell crit; 16 spell hit; 259 +spell dmg/heal; 2.37% dodge; 10 shadow resist (+10);[[ TBR: 612 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/29yh7a ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/34b7c9 ][ Updated: Sat Sep 8 15:04:24 2007 ]]`
`18:52.48`	`\|Jelly\|`	`Full T5, ladies and gents...`
`18:52.50`	`Shirik`	`hahahaha`
`18:52.51`	`\|Jelly\|`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:52.52`	`Shirik`	`damn`
`18:52.55`	`Shirik`	`T5 == 4613 HP`
`18:53.00`	`Shirik`	`no wonder instances are so hard`
`18:53.14`	`Shirik`	`also`
`18:53.15`	`Polarina`	`I have a profession link like: \|cffffd000\|Henchant:32456\|h[Leatherworking: Knothide Armor Kit\|h\|r but how do I get the item it makes like: \|cffffffff\|Hitem:25650:0:0:0:0:0:0:0\|h[Knothide Armor Kit]\|h\|r ?`
`18:53.17`	`Shirik`	`wtf kind of spec is that?`
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`18:54.24`	`Shirik`	`Polarina: I don't know of an easy way`
`18:54.31`	`Shirik`	`sorry =(`
`18:54.34`	`Shirik`	`you can try GetItemInfo`
`18:54.38`	`Shirik`	`but it may not be cached`
`18:54.43`	`Polarina`	`It returns nil, always.`
`18:54.55`	`\|Jelly\|`	`[P] <Lizzi>: I grew an awe inspiring bullshit detector. You made it explode.`
`18:55.07`	`Shirik`	`lol`
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`18:56.34`	`Lunessa`	`\|Jelly\|: Did you get seeds for it over das interwebben?`
`18:56.42`	`kergoth`	`Silviu-, hrm, okay, thanks, i'll see if i can figure out how to fix`
`18:57.03`	`\|Jelly\|`	`They were mail order, yes.`
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`19:00.23`	`art3mis`	`yawn`
`19:03.10`	`Lunessa`	`http://www.apple.com/trailers/wb/thedarkknight/hd/`
`19:07.09`	`Shirik`	`http://images.gammatester.com/pics/b7a0a6e1b21b438b54de164ef6b187f4.jpg`
`19:07.11`	`Shirik`	`too much glitter!`
`19:10.30`	`Polarina`	`I have a profession link like: \|cffffd000\|Henchant:32456\|h[Leatherworking: Knothide Armor Kit\|h\|r but how do I get the item it makes like: \|cffffffff\|Hitem:25650:0:0:0:0:0:0:0\|h[Knothide Armor Kit]\|h\|r ?`
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`19:13.28`	`Lunessa`	`Shirik: Got enough crap on the screen?`
`19:13.47`	`Shirik`	`trust me, that's nothing`
`19:13.49`	`Shirik`	`nothing at all`
`19:13.57`	`\|Jelly\|`	`Shirik uses damage meters!!!!`
`19:14.00`	`Cide`	`Lunessa: funny how they make a trailer that really says absolutely nothing at all`
`19:14.17`	`Cide`	`and doesn't really show anything at all, either!`
`19:14.21`	`Shirik`	`I use them to track my OHPS, etc.`
`19:14.31`	`Lunessa`	`Cide: More than a year away. I bet they just read a little of the script.`
`19:14.32`	`Shirik`	`and there I was curious what his DPS was :P`
`19:14.56`	`Cide`	`Lunessa: yep`
`19:15.03`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge Wraanger (n=Valle@78-106-41-69.broadband.corbina.ru)`
`19:15.07`	`Shirik`	`Lunessa: But seriously, I love seeing a ton of information`
`19:15.11`	`Shirik`	`I want to know everything going on`
`19:15.15`	`Shirik`	`I'll be the last person to miss something :)`
`19:15.16`	`Wraanger`	`heyaz`
`19:15.20`	`Lunessa`	`Still, Christian Bale is a good Batman, so I'll see it.`
`19:20.58`	`Lunessa`	`http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1531273665&sid=1 -- "Give me all your carefully collected and stored, sorted, coded information for free plx."`
`19:21.00`	`Wraanger`	`who knows what can cause such font garbling ? http://images.gammatester.com/pics/ada85fa257baba673b62767aa4068192.jpg`
`19:21.50`	`Lunessa`	`I assume you mean on the minimap?`
`19:21.55`	`Wraanger`	`yep`
`19:22.07`	`Wraanger`	`i have tried like 40 diff fonts .... to no avail ...`
`19:22.37`	`Lunessa`	`The space assigned to the coordinates in the minimapa addon is too small for the font/size/weight you want to use.`
`19:22.47`	`Wraanger`	`it's always comes up like this ..from time to time .... no persistence in this, though .... it may work good for a 3-4 hours ...and then garble up`
`19:23.05`	`Wraanger`	`umm ..lemme try this`
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`19:25.44`	`\|Jelly\|`	`I think my new policy is, go to the summon stone and take a picture with is to email all the people who's time is too valuable to run there.`
`19:26.45`	`art3mis`	`heh`
`19:27.25`	`art3mis`	`updated HKUI with new graphics and layout`
`19:27.35`	`\|Jelly\|`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:27.47`	`Lunessa`	`Actually, If I'm leading a raid (raid, not instance) and someone asks for a summon each time, I quit inviting them.`
`19:28.03`	`Wraanger`	`Lunessa : seems the size is not the case ... I have set size of the fontstring to 25x100 for 16 points font`
`19:28.30`	`Wraanger`	`and still it is garbled =(`
`19:28.54`	`art3mis`	`wraanger: but if the space it needs to display is larger than the are provided it's gonna cut down spacing between numbers and end up with overlap`
`19:29.17`	`zenzelezz`	`I take great pleasure in watching SCO getting repeatedly slapped in the face`
`19:29.23`	`art3mis`	`like 66.6,57.6 takes up more pixels than 11.1,11.1`
`19:29.27`	`Wraanger`	`http://images.gammatester.com/pics/84fc073b11d5af6af5dfb4095c6671d2.jpg <<`
`19:29.46`	`art3mis`	`so its garbling it`
`19:29.54`	`art3mis`	`ive seen it with a few fonts do it here and there`
`19:30.02`	`Wraanger`	`yep .......ok ..i'll try 50x200 ))))`
`19:30.14`	`zenzelezz`	`for the record`
`19:30.20`	`zenzelezz`	`the first number is width generally`
`19:30.48`	`art3mis`	`yup thats why its 80x50 not 50x80 ;)`
`19:30.50`	`zenzelezz`	`I'm guessing you mean you're increasing the width, not the height, but it's more common to write Width x Height than Height x Width`
`19:31.33`	`Wraanger`	`)))) kk, let me rephrase ... i'lltry with 200x50`
`19:32.25`	`art3mis`	`whats strat do in frame settings?`
`19:32.31`	`art3mis`	`strata`
`19:32.39`	`art3mis`	`i always get that one mixed up`
`19:32.54`	`Wraanger`	`strata is layer on what the frame lies`
`19:33.04`	`\|Jelly\|`	`Yeah..`
`19:33.06`	`Wraanger`	`ie background, or artwork, or overlay`
`19:33.23`	`art3mis`	`and level ?`
`19:33.37`	`Wraanger`	`if you got two frames in one portion of screen, one strata will be background and other overlay ....overlay one will be on top`
`19:33.47`	`Wraanger`	`level is to define ordering within one strata`
`19:34.00`	`Wraanger`	`AFAIK`
`19:34.20`	`art3mis`	`so if i have 2 boxes on top of each other and one has a level of 5 and the other 3 the 5 will show on top of the 3 even if they're the same strata?`
`19:34.33`	`Wraanger`	`as i know, yes`
`19:34.35`	`Shirik`	`that's exactly what level's for`
`19:34.36`	`art3mis`	`ahh okay`
`19:34.40`	`Shirik`	`to determine how to resolve clashing strats`
`19:34.43`	`Shirik`	`stratas*`
`19:34.53`	`Shirik`	`would you rather have z-fighting?`
`19:34.54`	`Shirik`	`heh`
`19:35.06`	`art3mis`	`eepanels did that to me last night with two boxes and hit the one that ets created later because its the same strata`
`19:35.31`	`art3mis`	`so i just need to boost tis level to make it apepar on top without having it on a different strat interfering with things`
`19:35.51`	`art3mis`	`appear`
`19:36.16`	`Wraanger`	`tried 200x50 ..same garbling`
`19:36.39`	`art3mis`	`scale the font size down`
`19:36.46`	`Wraanger`	`artemis - yes, all you need to do is set bottom frame like level 1 and other level 2`
`19:37.30`	`art3mis`	`http://www.gothi.ca/Stuff/hellokitty-ui.jpg`
`19:37.36`	`art3mis`	`thats what it loks like now`
`19:37.51`	`art3mis`	`looks`
`19:38.13`	`\|Jelly\|`	`I just died a little on the inside. And you made KD3 just fuckin leave.`
`19:38.20`	`art3mis`	`heh`
`19:38.34`	`art3mis`	`well at some point youll both grow up and it will be all better ;P`
`19:38.37`	`\|Jelly\|`	`I could never use it though.`
`19:38.50`	`\|Jelly\|`	`There's no symmetry.`
`19:38.56`	`art3mis`	`if you ignore the pink and such whatcha think of that layout?`
`19:39.14`	`\|Jelly\|`	`It's too...left...`
`19:39.30`	`art3mis`	`yeah thats a habit of mine really and most people`
`19:39.33`	`\|Jelly\|`	`(yes, that would honestly bother the shit out of me)`
`19:39.50`	`Wraanger`	`tried to set the width to 40 ..it just cutted out what was not fitting`
`19:39.54`	`art3mis`	`it comes from having party frames on the left and chat on the left so you're drawn over there`
`19:40.02`	`Wraanger`	`so the problem it seems lies not in width =(`
`19:40.07`	`\|Jelly\|`	`But all in all, good work. :P`
`19:40.17`	`art3mis`	`right side has always been "things i dont much care about"`
`19:40.26`	`\|Jelly\|`	`Now, you can tell people that you're playing both Hello Kitty Island Adventure AND WoW!`
`19:40.33`	`art3mis`	`whats wow?`
`19:40.35`	`art3mis`	`;)`
`19:40.43`	`\|Jelly\|`	`rut roah. That's where my raid frames lay!`
`19:40.47`	`art3mis`	`if it wasnt hardcore bad, i'd reskin the mobs ;P`
`19:41.04`	`\|Jelly\|`	`And that made Lunessa leave.`
`19:41.06`	`\|Jelly\|`	`GG.`
`19:41.28`	`art3mis`	`but eventually once ive got the blizz frames skinned that is im gonna ditch HK and make some other theme`
`19:41.52`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i need the default wow font for most text, does anyone have it?`
`19:41.59`	`art3mis`	`and ive learned a fair amount about gimp and graphics in a short amount of time`
`19:42.05`	`art3mis`	`clearfonts2`
`19:42.12`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`it's not in clearfonts i dont' think`
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`19:42.15`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i looked in the files`
`19:42.16`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`didn't see it`
`19:42.19`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`lemme check again`
`19:42.23`	`art3mis`	`yeah calibri is the default i believe`
`19:42.54`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`FRIZQT__.ttf`
`19:42.58`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`is what i need`
`19:43.09`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`Friz Quadrata or whatever`
`19:43.12`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i'm replacing...`
`19:43.20`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`MORPHEUS.ttf`
`19:43.25`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`cause that shit's impossible to read`
`19:43.38`	`\|Jelly\|`	`I love people that are all "QQ" then ignore you.`
`19:44.46`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`how is babby formed?`
`19:44.48`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`how is babby formed`
`19:44.52`	`Thrae`	`\|Jelly\|: QQ`
`19:44.53`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`how girl get pragnent`
`19:45.02`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:45.18`	Rahl`Goth	`Is this the right place to ask about the quality of a macro?`
`19:45.34`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`most likely`
`19:45.37`	`\|Jelly\|`	`Well. I would ~asktoask you but eh...`
`19:45.37`	Rahl`Goth	`I'm thinking about replacing one that is on wowwiki, which seems quite bloated.`
`19:45.42`	`\|Jelly\|`	`Might as well give it a go.`
`19:45.56`	Rahl`Goth	`About http://www.wowwiki.com/Useful_macros/Shaman#Mount.2FGhost_Wolf`
`19:46.08`	Rahl`Goth	`I posted an alternative here: http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Useful_macros/Shaman`
`19:46.18`	Rahl`Goth	`Just wanted some feedback on it.`
`19:47.01`	`\|Jelly\|`	`Anyone here have a main that's a warrior? (IS COG THERE?!?)`
`19:47.06`	`Thrae`	`\|Jelly\|: I hope that was as fun for you as it was for me :D`
`19:47.16`	`Mr_Rabies2`	let me test that out on my shammy Rahl`Goth
`19:47.24`	Rahl`Goth	`Well to work it works.`
`19:47.29`	`\|Jelly\|`	`It was kind of annoying but other than that, nah.`
`19:47.36`	Rahl`Goth	`I wanted to know if there were technical mishaps.`
`19:47.48`	`Thrae`	`Hehe ^^`
`19:48.37`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i mean technically you probably only need #showtooltip`
`19:48.47`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`and it'll automatically use the tooltip for whatever you're going to cast`
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`19:49.02`	Rahl`Goth	`Really?`
`19:49.08`	Rahl`Goth	`Might as well try it.`
`19:49.22`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`so`
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`19:52.06`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`#showtooltip`
`19:52.09`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`/cast [stance/combat,nomounted] Ghost Wolf; <Mount>`
`19:52.13`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`should work`
`19:52.14`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`we'll see`
`19:52.27`	Rahl`Goth	`Ok, /dismount is necessary, or you get denied the dismounting due to the cooldown.`
`19:52.31`	Rahl`Goth	`what's ; ?`
`19:52.37`	Rahl`Goth	`Else?`
`19:52.45`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`oh yeah, /dismount [mounted]`
`19:52.52`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`yeah, else`
`19:52.57`	Rahl`Goth	`Oh, neat.`
`19:53.01`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`lemme double check that`
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`19:53.27`	Rahl`Goth	`Btw, /cast <Mount> shouldn't work, should it?`
`19:53.32`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`yup`
`19:53.35`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`it does`
`19:53.48`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`lemme double check though`
`19:53.57`	`cogwheel`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:54.31`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`cog, / is 'or' and , is 'and', right?`
`19:54.39`	`cogwheel`	`yes`
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`19:54.47`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`so in theory that macro will work?`
`19:54.51`	`cogwheel`	`but they're not interchangeable... they only apply to the given context`
`19:55.02`	`cogwheel`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:55.08`	`cogwheel`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:55.19`	`kergoth`	`Silviu-, fixed, upload to wowi is pending`
`19:55.28`	`kergoth`	`Silviu-, thanks for the report, was helpful`
`19:55.36`	`Silviu-`	`kergoth no problem ;)`
`19:55.50`	`cogwheel`	`stance:1/2/3 or stance, combat but not what you have up there`
`19:55.55`	`Silviu-`	kergoth i found another addon thou so i think i won`t use PerfBlock anymore :(
`19:56.00`	Rahl`Goth	`Hm.`
`19:56.18`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`does /cancelform work for shamans?`
`19:56.18`	`kergoth`	`hehe, np`
`19:56.31`	`kergoth`	`Silviu-, out of curiosity, what will you be using? maybe i'll want to use it too :P`
`19:56.58`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`/cast [combat,nomounted] Ghost Wolf; <Mount>`
`19:57.03`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`/dismount [mounted]`
`19:57.09`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`/cancelform [stance]`
`19:57.11`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`if it works`
`19:57.19`	Rahl`Goth	`Mr_Rabies, I think it's cancelaura.`
`19:57.28`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i know cancelform works for druids`
`19:57.48`	Rahl`Goth	`My current version is`
`19:57.52`	Rahl`Goth	`#showtooltip`
`19:57.53`	`Silviu-`	kergoth http://img522.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wowscrnshot090807190258nu4.jpg it`s an addon i found on wowace and modify it a little to include fps ( look near minimap )
`19:58.07`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i'm hopping on my sham on the ptr`
`19:58.12`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`had to patch once`
`19:58.12`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`:X`
`19:58.14`	Rahl`Goth	`/cast [stance][combat,nomounted] Ghost Wolf;<Mount>`
`19:58.21`	Rahl`Goth	`/dismount [mounted]`
`19:58.25`	`Silviu-`	kergoth found it on forums in someone`s ui ;)
`19:58.28`	Rahl`Goth	`and it works.`
`19:58.30`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`[stance] doesn't seem necessary`
`19:58.43`	Rahl`Goth	`Well it saves me the cancelform.`
`19:58.50`	Rahl`Goth	`Or is it better to use that?`
`19:59.18`	`Silviu-`	`kergoth if u want it i can upload it somewhere :)`
`19:59.57`	`FlAWD`	`Silviu: What addon is that for your buttons? I like that a lot!`
`20:00.16`	`Silviu-`	`FlAWD Bartender3 + Cycircled_Vol`
`20:00.28`	`FlAWD`	`sweet I use bartender already :)`
`20:00.41`	`FlAWD`	`is Cycircled wowace?`
`20:00.45`	`Silviu-`	`kergoth http://rapidshare.com/files/54296532/sStats.zip.html`
`20:00.47`	`Silviu-`	`Yes`
`20:00.55`	`Silviu-`	`u need cycircled and cycircled_vol`
`20:00.59`	`FlAWD`	`sweet thanks`
`20:01.35`	`Mr_Rabies2`	does it also cancel your ghost wolf when you hit the button, Rahl`Gothh?
`20:01.52`	Rahl`Goth	`Yes, recasting it cancels the form.`
`20:02.02`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`okay, so either way work`
`20:02.03`	Rahl`Goth	`I don't know if there is a downside in that tho.`
`20:02.11`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`nor i`
`20:02.24`	Rahl`Goth	`I mean, there was in the re-using the mount item to dismount.`
`20:02.48`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`well cancelform is instant like /dismount in....2.2? 2.3?`
`20:04.37`	`kergoth`	`anyone know if SorrenTimers and CooldownTimers2 are maintained nowadays?`
`20:05.12`	`Silviu-`	`kergoth did not see any activity on them`
`20:05.17`	`kergoth`	`hmm, k`
`20:05.27`	`Silviu-`	`kergoth did u see screen ? ;)`
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`20:23.17`	Rahl`Goth	`Mr_Rabies: http://www.wowwiki.com/Useful_macros/Shaman#Mount.2FGhost_Wolf`
`20:25.56`	Rahl`Goth	`Now I just have to make the shock and lightning macros for rank 1/rank max spells. :P`
`20:31.59`	`Industrial`	`I want to shock my mouseover or target with Earth Shock (Rank 1)`
`20:32.04`	`Industrial`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:32.07`	`Industrial`	`this is wrong?`
`20:33.17`	Rahl`Goth	`/cast [modifier] Earth Shock(Rank1);Earth Shock`
`20:33.29`	Rahl`Goth	`I wonder how this works.`
`20:34.56`	Rahl`Goth	`Works!`
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`20:47.12`	`Industrial`	`#showtooltip Earth Shock`
`20:47.17`	`Industrial`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:47.21`	`Industrial`	`hehe`
`20:47.22`	`Industrial`	`it actually works`
`20:47.41`	`Industrial`	`interrupt my mouseover, focus if an enemy`
`20:47.43`	`Industrial`	`otherwise heal`
`20:47.50`	`Industrial`	`ending with healing my by default`
`20:47.51`	`Industrial`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:48.04`	`Industrial`	`why? because I can!`
`20:48.11`	`Kaydeethree`	`[target=target,harm,exists] can be reduced to [harm,exists]`
`20:48.17`	`Kaydeethree`	`same for the help version`
`20:49.05`	`Industrial`	`k`
`20:49.26`	`Kaydeethree`	`just to save some space. does that even fit in 255 chars?`
`20:49.32`	`Industrial`	`making it a Lesser Healing Wave too`
`20:49.33`	`Industrial`	`yes it does`
`20:51.09`	`foxlit`	`wouldn't harm fail if it doesn't exist?`
`20:51.18`	`Kaydeethree`	`yes`
`20:51.37`	`Kaydeethree`	`help and harm both imply exists. didn't even think of that`
`20:51.58`	`Industrial`	`good, good`
`20:52.09`	`Industrial`	`I havent really messed with macros much so im learning`
`20:52.36`	`zenzelezz`	`by the way, do you really have a semi-colon at the end of that macro?`
`20:54.31`	`Industrial`	`yes, removed`
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`21:02.02`	`zenzelezz`	`for fun or epeen?`
`21:02.45`	`Industrial`	`i call the macro`
`21:02.53`	`Industrial`	`"HO SHI.."`
`21:03.00`	`AnduinLothar`	`fun == epeen, no?`
`21:03.01`	`zenzelezz`	`min?`
`21:03.07`	`zenzelezz`	`good point`
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`21:03.41`	`Shirik`	`foxlit: Just add it to prism`
`21:03.53`	`foxlit`	`That's the general idea.`
`21:04.26`	`art3mis`	`shirik you done with conspiracy yet?`
`21:04.57`	`AnduinLothar`	`has he started?`
`21:05.11`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Cide, geeze, want enough alliance gold? ;P`
`21:05.28`	`Cide`	`sure`
`21:05.36`	`foxlit`	`Someone should really optimize my mod routine`
`21:06.03`	`Cide`	`paste it`
`21:06.05`	`ScytheBlade1`	`10-12k? What are you planning?`
`21:06.37`	`Cide`	`ScytheBlade1: you lost me :)`
`21:06.53`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Cide, http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1531083127&sid=1`
`21:07.12`	`Cide`	`oh`
`21:07.23`	`Cide`	`ts just has a lot of money`
`21:07.30`	`Cide`	`who knows what he's into!`
`21:07.33`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Oh, lol`
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`21:08.02`	`Cide`	`back before BC (like when people started to hit 60 originally) he got lucky and found a few epics, so he had a bunch of money`
`21:08.06`	`AnduinLothar`	`i have a couple friends that just play the ah`
`21:08.08`	`foxlit`	`http://foxlit.pastey.net/73591-1n4i`
`21:08.10`	`Cide`	`and then he lent it out to people`
`21:08.12`	`AnduinLothar`	`it's a mini-game`
`21:08.19`	`ScytheBlade1`	`And made bank`
`21:08.33`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I mean, freely giving out 10-12k is kinda nuts`
`21:08.43`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Well, not freely`
`21:09.25`	`Cide`	`haha, we actually have a screenshot of him opening trade with one of our guildmates, putting in 100k gold, clicking trade, SS'ing and clicking cancel`
`21:09.35`	`Cide`	`(the guildmate was afk at the time :P)`
`21:09.39`	`ScytheBlade1`	`That's a ton of gold.`
`21:10.02`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I gave up on farming money, so now I just sit at 400g +/- nightly raiding money`
`21:10.03`	`foxlit`	`Got like 800g through mail in the last two months`
`21:10.06`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Without my flying epic`
`21:10.06`	`art3mis`	`awww my hello kitty got bumped to 2nd page`
`21:10.26`	`Cide`	`assuming gold = gram, then yes, that's a tonne of gold`
`21:10.31`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Having that much money makes me somewhat jealous ;P`
`21:10.31`	`Cide`	`oh, no`
`21:10.31`	`ScytheBlade1`	`lol`
`21:10.35`	`Cide`	`that would be 0.1 tonne :/`
`21:10.42`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Yeah not close :P`
`21:11.06`	`art3mis`	`heh maybe hes a gold seller ;P`
`21:11.12`	`Cide`	`ts? nah`
`21:11.17`	`art3mis`	`and his account jsut got flagged ;)`
`21:11.47`	`art3mis`	`and hell get a vacation for "economy manipulation"`
`21:11.52`	`Cide`	`foxlit: that's a lot of code :P`
`21:12.06`	`foxlit`	`Yeah, it's not exactly pretty.`
`21:12.27`	`art3mis`	`i wish i could level faster`
`21:12.34`	`art3mis`	`stupid level 37 shaman`
`21:12.35`	`foxlit`	`The bignum library suggests I actually divide the two numbers to get the remainder, but that takes ages`
`21:14.27`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`owww`
`21:14.32`	`foxlit`	`This does the division in larger chunks, which is somewhat faster, but there's something.`
`21:14.32`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`lightning bolted for 3500`
`21:14.33`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`:[`
`21:14.54`	`foxlit`	`s/there's something./there's probably something that could be optimized a bit/`
`21:15.06`	`foxlit`	`Mr_Rabies2: fear my 5.5k starfire!`
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`21:44.45`	`Shirik`	`pauvre Kaso___`
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`21:45.10`	`zenzelezz`	`this would be a perfect time to link heersit-da-problum`
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`21:53.34`	`Corrodias`	`i got a double cheeseburger from burger king and they gave me 7 napkins`
`21:53.58`	Punkie`	`maybe you looked as if you couldn't handle it`
`21:54.03`	`Corrodias`	`heheh`
`21:54.48`	`zenzelezz`	`you want double cheeseburger? You can't handle double cheeseburger!`
`21:55.51`	`Iriel`	`It occurs to me that with large enough debug text, the mac video recording stuff in 2.2 could make addon debugging easier for combat addons`
`21:56.23`	`Iriel`	`Without all that mucking around with fraps`
`21:56.29`	`nevcairiel`	`yay for the minority of mac users`
`21:56.41`	`zenzelezz`	`I want built-in recording on Windows too, screw Fraps`
`21:59.31`	`Iriel`	`I would guess windows recording shows up eventually`
`22:00.20`	`zenzelezz`	`hopefully a .avi recorder, since all the free editing programs only support that... but even QT would be welcome`
`22:00.43`	`zenzelezz`	`the whole don't-record-my-UI feature tempts me`
`22:02.06`	`nevcairiel`	`thats so great`
`22:02.09`	`bleeter`	`something tells me, though, that Win32 recording will be more buggy than the Win32 audio development cycle`
`22:02.24`	`Kaydeethree`	`I blame vista`
`22:02.30`	`nevcairiel`	`me too`
`22:02.49`	`nevcairiel`	`altho, the sound on ptr does actually sound better on surround systems then before`
`22:03.05`	`bleeter`	`pity players voices are positional ... yet`
`22:04.56`	`Industrial`	`that'd be fun, having random maniacs scream thinhs while they pass you ingame`
`22:05.05`	`Kaydeethree`	`meh... I need to clean out my homedir. ls -a's listing files that haven't been so much as accessed since '04`
`22:05.31`	`nevcairiel`	`but what if you need them in the next 04?`
`22:05.48`	`Industrial`	`not to mention the mp3 -> voice input "if you wanna be happy for the rest of your life"/"hey you wanna know what the most anoying sound in the world is? no. Eeeeeeeeeeeeee" tards`
`22:06.02`	`Industrial`	`we all know and love from half life 1`
`22:06.04`	`Industrial`	`:P`
`22:06.08`	`Industrial`	`(and 2)`
`22:06.12`	`nevcairiel`	`I'll keep it disabled`
`22:06.23`	`nevcairiel`	`people i want to hear hop on my guilds TS`
`22:08.44`	`Industrial`	`www.interactivestory.net`
`22:08.46`	`Industrial`	`this is FUN`
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`22:13.59`	`bleeter`	`Industrial: my thoughts exactly (random maniacs)`
`22:14.15`	`bleeter`	`lord knows this game's got a few`
`22:14.33`	`zenzelezz`	`I thought the voice chat was limited to certain channels`
`22:15.00`	`Kaydeethree`	`<PROTECTED>`
`22:15.09`	`Kaydeethree`	`perhaps /bg, but that'd be a bad idea`
`22:15.17`	`zenzelezz`	`should be moderately safe then`
`22:16.17`	`nevcairiel`	`people can simply join custom channels..^^`
`22:16.41`	`zenzelezz`	`if you give them obvious names`
`22:17.05`	`Kaydeethree`	`even then, it's only the first 40 people in the channel with voice enabled who get to hear it`
`22:17.14`	`nevcairiel`	`true`
`22:17.17`	`nevcairiel`	`its limited like that`
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`22:20.39`	`bleeter`	`hopefully they'll implement a guild officer chat channel; I think that's more important than guild wide chat`
`22:20.46`	`bleeter`	`*voice chat`
`22:21.06`	`Shirik`	`bleeter: it exis.. oh`
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`22:50.09`	`Shirik`	`odd`
`22:50.16`	`Shirik`	`I just had a website try to access dexplore.exe on my computer`
`22:50.19`	`Shirik`	`I wonder why it would want that`
`22:50.36`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`hrm`
`22:50.52`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`how many auction pages do you guys usually have to scan through in auctioneer?`
`22:50.53`	`Kaydeethree`	`"zomg hackers are trying to steal your CCs over the intertubes!"`
`22:50.58`	`Shirik`	`I could understand if it was spyware, but...`
`22:51.02`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i'm at about 230 and i think that's the greatest thing ever`
`22:51.03`	`Shirik`	`that's a process related to VS isn't it?`
`22:51.07`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`what is dexplore.exe?`
`22:51.09`	`Shirik`	`like 1% of the population would have it`
`22:51.10`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i've never heard of it`
`22:51.18`	`Shirik`	`iirc it's the process that VS uses for the MSDN help`
`22:51.20`	`Shirik`	`online help`
`22:51.35`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`dexplore.exe is a process relating to Microsoft Visual Studio and gives access to in-built help and MSDN libraries.`
`22:51.38`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`O_o`
`22:51.45`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`er`
`22:51.48`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i got sidetracked`
`22:52.12`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i'm at about 230 pages of auctions and i think that's the most i've seen since wow has started :o`
`22:52.24`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i remember scanning with auctioneer before my server had any epics on it`
`22:52.46`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i remember seeing the first epic on the AH`
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`23:02.50`	`bleeter`	`Mr_Rabies2: are you using the new AAdv yet?`
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`23:04.41`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`yus`
`23:04.44`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i loves it`
`23:04.54`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i cleared all my variables, etc for it`
`23:17.04`	`art3mis`	`sag_ich == poop`
`23:17.24`	`Cidan`	`That's like saying water is wet`
`23:17.56`	`art3mis`	`thats true`
`23:19.19`	`art3mis`	`138 hkui 206 cycircled-hk`
`23:19.25`	`art3mis`	`thats just soooo wrong`
`23:20.42`	`art3mis`	`that keyboard is pretty rad`
`23:20.58`	`Iriel`	`Oh for the love of.. why on earth did they package auctioneer advance with the capitalization of all of the packages wrong?`
`23:21.47`	`art3mis`	`you could jsut go yell at norg`
`23:25.13`	`Polarina`	`I have a profession link like: \|cffffd000\|Henchant:32456\|h[Leatherworking: Knothide Armor Kit\|h\|r but how do I get the item it makes like: \|cffffffff\|Hitem:25650:0:0:0:0:0:0:0\|h[Knothide Armor Kit]\|h\|r ?`
`23:25.53`	`nevcairiel`	`who says you can ? :)`
`23:26.18`	`Polarina`	`?`
`23:26.21`	`Iriel`	`There's no API for that`
`23:26.34`	`Polarina`	`Stupid Blizzard!`
`23:26.40`	`Iriel`	`Is it in the tooltip?`
`23:26.45`	`Polarina`	`Iriel: How does that makes sence?`
`23:26.48`	`Polarina`	`Iriel: Yes.`
`23:26.56`	`Iriel`	`Then you can read it from the toolip`
`23:27.01`	`Polarina`	`How?`
`23:27.18`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Very carefully.`
`23:27.26`	`art3mis`	`with ninajs`
`23:27.29`	`art3mis`	`nionjas`
`23:27.31`	`art3mis`	`ninjas`
`23:27.32`	`bleeter`	`Iriel: what capitalisation?`
`23:27.34`	`art3mis`	`christ`
`23:27.38`	`Iriel`	`Same way everyone does, create a GameTooltip object of your own, then read its contents with the get messages`
`23:27.50`	`Polarina`	`But why didn't they make it possible to simply get the item link for what item that thing produces?`
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`23:28.04`	`Iriel`	`bleeter: directory name stubby, AddOn name Stubby`
`23:28.16`	`Iriel`	`Polarina: Because they dont need that, they have a tooltip that works already`
`23:28.22`	`alestane`	`Does anyone know if there's a Lua syntaz color package for Xcode?`
`23:28.26`	`Polarina`	`Iriel: But we need it.`
`23:28.26`	`alestane`	`syntax*`
`23:28.40`	`Polarina`	`Iriel: They don't need SendAddonMessage(), but we need it.`
`23:28.44`	`Iriel`	`Polarina: You're confusing 'need' and 'want'`
`23:28.47`	`Polarina`	`?`
`23:29.00`	`Iriel`	`Polarina: Make a case for why it's useful and why tooltip scanning doesn't work in the forum`
`23:29.25`	`Polarina`	`Iriel: My addon needs it, named Valuation.`
`23:29.38`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Polarina, I'm somewhat of a noob addon developer. I can say, however, that everything that I 'want' is normally possible, but just not in the most straight forward way possible.`
`23:29.41`	`nevcairiel`	`My addon needs so much stuff..`
`23:29.48`	`bleeter`	`Iriel: probably a miscommit, or something, at the time we forked the stuff through, etc. Why does it bother you so greatly? Does it make you lose AH data?`
`23:30.14`	`Iriel`	`bleeter: I have a mix of case sensitive and case insentive systems, it screws royally with my 'central' AddOn directory`
`23:30.26`	`Iriel`	`I have 2 EnhTooltips now which confuses the hell out of windows`
`23:31.04`	`bleeter`	`sound like a problem more of your own central repository not being able to deal`
`23:31.09`	`Polarina`	`Iriel: For example; My addon shows in tool-tips how much a item sells to a vendor. But I can't make it show for profession links, only normal ones.`
`23:31.27`	`Iriel`	`My repository deals fine 8-) It's windows and OSX and their default case insensitive filesystems that screwed me`
`23:31.41`	`art3mis`	`nev needs to l2code ;P`
`23:31.43`	`Iriel`	`Polarina: As I said earlier, if it's in the blizzard tooltip, then you CAN implement it using standard tooltip scanning`
`23:31.51`	`art3mis`	`but its not like blizz is gonna teach him ;P`
`23:32.04`	`bleeter`	`Iriel: what can I say, l2decentfs! :P`
`23:32.06`	`Polarina`	`Iriel: And how do I extract the item ID from it?`
`23:32.08`	`Iriel`	`Polarina: In which case, you most definitely dont NEED a special API for it, it would just make your life easier (Thus you WANT it)`
`23:32.17`	`nevcairiel`	`i'm fine, tyvm :P`
`23:32.22`	`art3mis`	`heh`
`23:33.01`	`Polarina`	`Iriel: There are a lot of APIs that we don't need but makes our lifes easier.`
`23:33.02`	`bleeter`	`Iriel: needless to say, complaint noted... it may also have been done in the dev cycle so we could easily identify trunk development vs live release, and haven't cleaned it up yet. Not sure at all, though, that's just a guess ;)`
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`23:33.49`	`Cide`	`Polarina: just because I'm feeling kind (I would normally just link you to the API page): http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetItemInfo`
`23:34.07`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Polarina, tooltip scanning is something I didn't want to do. When it comes down to it though, in more cases than I want it to be, it's the only way to pull the needed information out.`
`23:34.08`	`Cide`	`takes a name as an argument, the second return is the item link`
`23:34.13`	`Cide`	`extract item id from item link`
`23:34.15`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Polarina, that said, it also works well`
`23:34.30`	`Polarina`	`Cide: Doesn't work on profession items.`
`23:34.40`	`Cide`	`Polarina: ...`
`23:34.48`	`Cide`	`like Iriel said, scan the tooltip`
`23:34.54`	`Polarina`	`Cide: It returns nil.`
`23:35.02`	`Polarina`	`Cide: The tooltip doesn't contain the item ID.`
`23:35.07`	`ScytheBlade1`	`You'll need to scan the tooltip for the item name, and then pass that to GetItemInfo`
`23:35.09`	`Cide`	`no, but the tooltip contains the item name`
`23:35.11`	`Cide`	`1 + 1 = 2`
`23:35.14`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Correct, it doesn't... what Cide said`
`23:35.19`	`Iriel`	`1) Create a hidden tooltip for the profession link 2) get the NAME from the tooltip, 3) use GetItemInfo on the NAME`
`23:35.31`	`nevcairiel`	`you could even extract the name from the recipe link`
`23:35.41`	`Polarina`	`Iriel: See? Why have it so complicated?`
`23:35.42`	`nevcairiel`	`if its like Leatherworking: Knothide Armor Kit`
`23:35.51`	`Cide`	`Polarina: because you can DO IT YOURSELF`
`23:36.21`	`Polarina`	`There exists a lot of functions that we do NOT NEED, but make our lifes easier!`
`23:36.25`	`Cide`	`such as?`
`23:36.30`	`Cide`	`and yes, you're right`
`23:36.33`	`Cide`	`the difference though`
`23:36.38`	`Iriel`	`You'll likely find there's a very good reason (BEYOND convenience) why those exist`
`23:36.44`	`Cide`	`is that they give us stuff that we don't need, but we can't get from anywhere else`
`23:37.06`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Polarina, if you want something, type it up in detail and post it in the UI suggestions list.`
`23:37.11`	`Cide`	`people have asked for ways around tooltip scanning dozens of times, and they have almost always been rejected because there's already a viable method`
`23:37.26`	`Polarina`	`ScytheBlade1: Slouken doesn't read the EU forums, ever!`
`23:37.32`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Post it here`
`23:37.41`	`Polarina`	`Where?`
`23:37.43`	`ScytheBlade1`	`We have access the the UI forums, and will relay it`
`23:37.45`	`ScytheBlade1`	`pastey.net`
`23:37.46`	`Cide`	`this channel`
`23:37.48`	`nevcairiel`	`they finally added name to UnitBuff tho <3`
`23:37.49`	`Cide`	`well, yeah`
`23:37.50`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Then link and ask that we post it`
`23:37.59`	`Polarina`	`I already told you of it.`
`23:38.03`	`Cide`	`ok`
`23:38.08`	`Cide`	`so first you want blizzard to code your addons`
`23:38.13`	`Polarina`	`?`
`23:38.13`	`Cide`	`and now you want us to write up your suggestions?`
`23:38.17`	`Polarina`	`?`
`23:38.25`	`Cide`	`if you want us to post it, type out in detail why you want it`
`23:38.34`	`nevcairiel`	`blizzard coding my addons .. where can i send a detailed spec?`
`23:38.36`	`Polarina`	`Ok. I will. I'll link it here tomorrow, ok?`
`23:38.42`	`ScytheBlade1`	`And we'll gladly copy+paste it where it should go`
`23:38.55`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Sure.`
`23:39.01`	`Polarina`	`And remember to spank Slouken for not reading EU forums..`
`23:39.19`	`nevcairiel`	`even i dont bother reading them`
`23:39.21`	`nevcairiel`	`and i am EU`
`23:39.23`	`nevcairiel`	`so what`
`23:39.26`	`Polarina`	`I think they should have just one forums for every continent. US, EU, etc. -> Just one forum.`
`23:39.39`	`ScytheBlade1`	`But do keep in mind: this IS possible without any API changes. It just isn't the way you want to do it. That said, that is the reason the UI suggestions exists, to improve it. Who knows, maybe your suggestion will change how it works.`
`23:39.46`	`ScytheBlade1`	`But just keep in mind what you want to do is already possible`
`23:40.24`	`ScytheBlade1`	`It just isn't overly pretty. :)`
`23:41.15`	`Iriel`	`Polarina: A good technique is to write it up on wowinterface.com and have someone post a link on the US forum`
`23:41.18`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Polarina, once you have it typed up, throw it up on pastey.net and drop the link and request to post that in the suggestions thread.`
`23:41.20`	`ScytheBlade1`	`That too.`
`23:42.01`	`clad\|book`	`has anyone written a mod that adds confirmation to every talent point in the talent UI?`
`23:42.20`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Not that I've heard of`
`23:42.26`	`clad\|book`	`good, that's chapter 19s addon then :P`
`23:42.30`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Shouldn't be overly hard though`
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`23:42.36`	`Cide`	`clad\|book: never heard of one, but I wouldn't be surprised.. but I'd go mad every time I respecced with it enabled :P`
`23:42.39`	`clad\|book`	`no, its trivial.`
`23:42.53`	`clad\|book`	`Cide: that will be an option :P`
`23:43.17`	`bleeter`	`clad\|book: how about extract a build from the armory, and apply that to the spec? that'd be cool when rebuilding ;)`
`23:43.24`	`clad\|book`	`yeah not so much =)`
`23:43.38`	`nevcairiel`	`i think there even are addons that do that`
`23:43.40`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I can see it for leveling, but not respeccing.`
`23:43.54`	`clad\|book`	`ScytheBlade1: aye its for alts`
`23:43.56`	`clad\|book`	`and more importantly`
`23:44.05`	`clad\|book`	`i needed an addon that has a good reason to be hooking functions :P`
`23:44.11`	`nevcairiel`	`hah`
`23:44.17`	`ScytheBlade1`	`That is a pretty good reason ;)`
`23:44.47`	`clad\|book`	`now do i hook the OnClick functions`
`23:44.50`	`clad\|book`	`or the LearnTalent function`
`23:44.57`	`clad\|book`	`both are easy`
`23:45.02`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I'd have to guess OnClick`
`23:45.05`	`Iriel`	`I read that as Learn2Talent 8-)`
`23:45.09`	`clad\|book`	`Iriel: ;-)`
`23:45.11`	`ScytheBlade1`	`lol`
`23:45.18`	`bleeter`	`heh, nice name for the mod ;)`
`23:45.34`	`Iriel`	`Time to see how my mac handles 2 copies of wow concurrently`
`23:45.42`	`clad\|book`	`actually i need to do LearnTalent`
`23:45.47`	`clad\|book`	`otherwise i'm duplicating a bunch of logic =/`
`23:46.05`	`ScytheBlade1`	`No, you're right`
`23:46.06`	`alestane`	`What's the easiest way to normalize a value as a boolean?`
`23:46.14`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Migraine atm, take anything that I say with a grain of salt ;P`
`23:46.15`	`Iriel`	`(x and true) or false`
`23:46.27`	`Iriel`	`or not(not(x))`
`23:46.29`	`kergoth`	`clad\|book, a mod like that used to exist, yes. and some talent template type addons do it, like talented. but its still a good quick example :0`
`23:46.37`	`alestane`	`Iriel: That works, or I was thinking not (not x)`
`23:46.41`	`clad\|book`	`good, the name isn't taken either :P`
`23:46.44`	`Iriel`	`I prefer the former and it may be faster`
`23:46.45`	`clad\|book`	`i'm three for three with addon names`
`23:47.03`	`Shirik`	`personally I would do (x and true) or false`
`23:47.08`	`Shirik`	`and yes, it should be faster`
`23:47.11`	`alestane`	`Reminds me of my C days... x?true:false.`
`23:47.17`	`Shirik`	`since not(not(x)) never skips any operations`
`23:47.20`	`Shirik`	`alestane: Exactly :)`
`23:47.45`	`alestane`	`And I don't think the parens are actually required (except for clarity), and takes precedence or or.`
`23:47.50`	`alestane`	`OVER or.`
`23:47.53`	`Shirik`	`they aren't`
`23:47.58`	`art3mis`	`clad\|book: talented asks for confirmation`
`23:48.07`	`clad\|book`	`ah, eff talented :P`
`23:48.13`	`art3mis`	`hehe you asked ;P`
`23:48.19`	`clad\|book`	`yeah, thanks`
`23:48.22`	`clad\|book`	`this only does this tho :P`
`23:48.42`	`art3mis`	`wow that would get annoying`
`23:48.50`	`art3mis`	`its annoying enough in talented ;P`
`23:48.57`	`art3mis`	`but at least there i can turn it off`
`23:48.59`	`bleeter`	`I reckon it's not a bad idea that a book teaching modding re-implements an existing mod or two. The eager learner would realise there may be other mods that do the same, would look at how the other mods are implemented, and learn more.`
`23:48.59`	`clad\|book`	`well you can turn it off`
`23:49.04`	`clad\|book`	`am i speaking greek? :P`
`23:49.15`	`art3mis`	`possibly`
`23:49.21`	`art3mis`	`i dont speak greek so i wouldnt know`
`23:49.23`	`art3mis`	`;)`
`23:49.30`	`alestane`	`Only if I suddenly understand Greek.`
`23:49.49`	`art3mis`	`i know how to say scasa malaki meinos though`
`23:49.55`	`nevcairiel`	`you dont know what wonders happen on the interweb`
`23:50.08`	`art3mis`	`which according to all greek people its "something they cant translate for me"`
`23:50.29`	`art3mis`	`not that they dont understand it, just that they arent gonna teach me what it means`
`23:50.40`	`Shirik`	`heh`
`23:50.46`	`art3mis`	`my neighbors used to say it to me all the time when i cut across thier yard to go to my friends house`
`23:50.56`	`art3mis`	`as near as i can tell its shutup you son of a bitch`
`23:51.09`	`art3mis`	`cuz malaka is bastard`
`23:51.16`	`alestane`	`If you use frame:SetPoint("BOTTOM"), is the x-coordinate that you give it significant?`
`23:51.33`	`Shirik`	`yeah....`
`23:51.37`	`Shirik`	`wait`
`23:51.48`	`Shirik`	`dunno, I only ever used corner anchors`
`23:51.54`	`Shirik`	`it's easier for me to understand`
`23:52.01`	`art3mis`	`btw alestane, go check out the new pic for hkui ;P`
`23:52.12`	`art3mis`	`i redid the bottom graphics and ditched the dischord stuff`
`23:52.15`	`nevcairiel`	`BOTTOM is just an anchor like anythign else, both coordinates are still significant`
`23:52.27`	`alestane`	`I want to extend the bottom of an existing frame to make more room for stuff inside, but I don't care about the sides, they should stay where they are.`
`23:52.41`	`clad\|book`	`damn I have to hook LearnTalent`
`23:52.42`	`Shirik`	`so give it x 0`
`23:52.43`	`clad\|book`	`which means I need more examples :P`
`23:53.29`	`Wraanger`	`is there a way to detect if player is in instance ?`
`23:53.43`	`Wraanger`	`(to hide coords on minimap)`
`23:53.54`	`clad\|book`	`yes`
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`23:54.27`	`Polarina`	`I'm sure there is a way to get the coordinates inside a ininstance..`
`23:54.33`	`clad\|book`	`no there isn't.`
`23:54.34`	`clad\|book`	`actually`
`23:54.45`	`clad\|book`	`posX, posY = GetPlayerMapPosition("unit");`
`23:54.51`	`clad\|book`	`If both posX and posY are exactly 0, the position is unknown, unknowable, or not valid for the current map, i.e.`
`23:54.56`	`Polarina`	`Just not a straightforward one, like my tool-tip problem with profession item links.`
`23:54.59`	`alestane`	`art3mis: That green color has to die.`
`23:55.00`	`clad\|book`	`with some caveats`
`23:55.01`	`clad\|book`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetPlayerMapPosition`
`23:55.15`	`Polarina`	`clad\|book: Minimap scan?`
`23:55.17`	`Wraanger`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/API_IsInInstance << what i found on WoWiki`
`23:55.21`	`clad\|book`	`no`
`23:55.32`	`nevcairiel`	`positions in instances are hard to calculate`
`23:55.35`	`nevcairiel`	`GPSLib trys to`
`23:55.37`	`clad\|book`	`Wraanger: lol oh yeah they just added that`
`23:55.39`	`nevcairiel`	`not sure how accurate`
`23:55.41`	`clad\|book`	`Polarina: I'm not playing this game.`
`23:55.52`	`Polarina`	`nevcairiel: :)`
`23:56.08`	`Wraanger`	`but I am not sure i have understood how to pass the tyes I neex`
`23:56.12`	`Wraanger`	`need*`
`23:56.36`	`clad\|book`	`Wraanger: you just call it.. IsInInstance()`
`23:58.54`	`Iriel`	`Minimap pings are the only thing you can really use for instance locations`
`23:58.59`	`Wraanger`	`just tested ...works ..but I still can't get rid of the font garbling .... tested with like any widths and height ..... still it sometimes appear`
`23:59.28`	`clad\|book`	`what kind of pet do i want`
`23:59.37`	`clad\|book`	`boars still rule?`
`23:59.46`	`art3mis`	`alestane: which green? the bag gree or the background of the merchant frame?`

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