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| 00:28.47 | Lunessa | ... someone entertain me. Work is sucking my will to live. |
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| 00:30.46 | |Jelly| | Grind my hunter for me. |
| 00:31.24 | zenzelezz | even though you know a book is the first in a series of three, there's something annoying about reaching page 1150 of ~1200 and realize the book won't solve the "problem", that it's just put off till book two or three |
| 00:31.52 | Lunessa | |Jelly|: What part of entertain ME wasn't clear? |
| 00:32.22 | |Jelly| | Last I checked, that would be giving you something to do that wasn't working. I think I understood you perfectly. : / |
| 00:32.45 | art3mis | jelly mention that you've got a non combat pet that dances! |
| 00:32.50 | art3mis | quick its your only hope! |
| 00:33.12 | Lunessa | Grinding your hunter, you want me to get down to a 00 grit on that? |
| 00:34.17 | |Jelly| | plix |
| 00:34.59 | Lunessa | Then I'll finish it off with a nice stain and varnish. It'll look pretty sweet. |
| 00:35.25 | art3mis | thats about the opnly way a hunter would look "sweet" |
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| 00:39.16 | Lunessa | Heh. I have the shoulders of the "Towering Hunt" on my shaman, and they look ... ridiculous. I need my Desolation shoulders. |
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| 00:51.01 | AnduinLothar | heh http://i-am-bored.com/bored_link.cfm?link_id=25258 |
| 00:51.30 | Kaydeethree | heh... |
| 00:51.35 | Kaydeethree | the next PTR is 2.2.2, not 2.3 |
| 00:51.37 | Lin | hi all! |
| 00:51.42 | Kaydeethree | herro |
| 01:09.53 | Thrae | "You might be a hopeless nerd if..." (#1232): "You try to assure your girlfriend that a Paladin Always Brings Protection." |
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| 01:16.53 | Lunessa | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2007/09/19/r-dose-real/ |
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| 01:36.13 | Nom- | Officially patch on Tuesday?!?!?! |
| 01:36.21 | Nom- | wtb 3 loot drops from T5 bosses :( |
| 01:37.27 | Industrial | so much for Rozen Maiden |
| 01:37.32 | Industrial | *trash* |
| 01:37.40 | Industrial | next! |
| 01:40.52 | Shirik | haha, I got ice tombed on my priest |
| 01:40.55 | Shirik | first time that's ever happened |
| 01:41.09 | Esamynn | Nom-: I don't think they've said it officially, but the PTRs are done |
| 01:41.18 | Nom- | Rockin' |
| 01:41.28 | Nom- | If the PTR is down, then it's a pretty safe bet |
| 01:50.00 | Kaydeethree | and the next PTR is 2.2.2, not 2.3, just as a heads-up to the room |
| 01:51.14 | Nom- | That's ok |
| 01:51.25 | Nom- | at least 2.2 is out there, so we've reached a milestone in the road for 2.3 :D |
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| 02:39.08 | Nom- | I'm soooo looking forward to the paladin changes in 2.3, i really hope they get it right |
| 02:39.43 | Nom- | Or at least something close to right... When a paladin with 1800 AP and 25% crit gets ignored in PvP because they're only a minor annoyance, then something is definately broken |
| 02:40.00 | JoshBorke | ret pally in pvp makes me laugh |
| 02:40.37 | Nom- | You sure as heck wouldn't ignore an MS warrior with those stats |
| 02:42.46 | Antiarc | You basically don't ignore an MS warrior ever |
| 02:42.55 | Antiarc | Because MS is just stupid. >:[ |
| 02:43.07 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 02:43.12 | Antiarc | oh hay I hit one button every 6 seconds and double the healing burden on my target :V |
| 02:43.21 | Nom- | I don't play ret that often |
| 02:43.30 | Nom- | But I'd like to be able to play it for fun every now and then |
| 02:43.33 | Antiarc | Which isn't counterable, dispellable, or work-around-able |
| 02:43.37 | Nom- | It's actually not fun for me at the moment |
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| 02:43.54 | Nom- | Actually, it's more than double |
| 02:44.00 | Nom- | Because they hit harder than a ret pally too |
| 02:44.14 | Antiarc | Mortal Strike requires two points of healing for every point of damage done. |
| 02:44.23 | Antiarc | It doubles the healing burden on the target. |
| 02:44.38 | Nom- | Yes, and they hit harder than a ret pally with equal stats too |
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| 02:44.43 | Nom- | You missed my point :P |
| 02:44.55 | Antiarc | Granted. Not arguing that. I'm just saying it's the debuff itself that is so bad. |
| 02:44.57 | Nom- | Equally geared, most people would much rather have a ret pally hitting on them than a MS warrior |
| 02:45.07 | Antiarc | Fury warriors can hit as hard as MS warriors, but they're ignored because MS is the threat |
| 02:45.24 | Nom- | Nah, they're not ignored |
| 02:45.30 | Nom- | Especially if they're hitting on a caster clawss |
| 02:45.45 | Nom- | Warriors of any spec can lock down a caster class completely |
| 02:46.01 | Nom- | pummel, charge, intercept, shield bash, the list goes on |
| 02:46.12 | Nom- | Pallies... we have one stun |
| 02:46.13 | Nom- | That's it |
| 02:46.15 | Antiarc | That's about the entire list and pummel/shield bash share a linked CD timer :P |
| 02:46.32 | Nom- | For 6 seconds per minute we can cause some minor grief and annoyance |
| 02:46.32 | Mike-N-Go | Anyone know of any addons that look for a string that is included in what someone says on a particular chat channel, and then has some way of making that known to the user? My search on WoWInterface.com has become fruitless. |
| 02:47.02 | Antiarc | It's easy to feel locked down as a paladin since you only have one school |
| 02:47.11 | Antiarc | But any caster with multiple schools can work around a warrior's interrupts |
| 02:47.14 | Nom- | The only time I ever kill someone in pvp now is if i get a tripe crit (melee, soc, crusader strike) with avenging wrath up |
| 02:47.46 | Nom- | Even then, if they've got more than 8k health and in mail or higher, they'll easily survive that bombardment |
| 02:48.24 | Nom- | Nah, seriously, warriors can lock down a caster |
| 02:48.27 | Mike-N-Go | Currenly, I am missing the tells for the timeframe to respond to the one running NRT in guild chat.. |
| 02:48.43 | Nom- | regardless of what schools they have available... a skilled warrior can stop a caster from getting any cast off for a good 10-15 seconds |
| 02:48.55 | Antiarc | I play both a warrior and rogue in the arena, and let me tell you, it's far, far easier for a caster to work around my warrior than my rogue :P |
| 02:49.01 | Nom- | That's moer than enough for 2 other dps to kill a clothie in an arena situation |
| 02:49.15 | Antiarc | A warrior is far better spent doing damage than mitigating a healer, usually, however. |
| 02:49.23 | Antiarc | Since they're some of the most powerful burst available in the arena |
| 02:49.28 | Antiarc | And certainly the sturdiest. |
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| 02:50.00 | Nom- | Yep, that's the big slap in the face |
| 02:50.05 | Nom- | Warriors are now the burst dps class |
| 02:50.15 | Nom- | Paladins are at best a squirt |
| 02:50.28 | Antiarc | Paladins are arguably the most powerful arena support class, though. |
| 02:50.35 | Nom- | As a healer, definately |
| 02:50.40 | Antiarc | Protection and Freedom alone make them extraordinarily valuable |
| 02:50.55 | Nom- | Heck, in my full ret spec right now, i could go into a 2v2 arena with an MS warrior, and we'd win just about any match |
| 02:51.01 | Nom- | 1 reason |
| 02:51.09 | Nom- | If they have a healer, i can keep them stunned for 15 seconds just about |
| 02:51.37 | Nom- | mid cast: repentance, mid next cast: hammer of justice, mid next cast: arcane torrent |
| 02:51.46 | Nom- | Their buddy is almost certainly dead by that point |
| 02:52.04 | Antiarc | Or you could just take a warlock and fear them. >_> |
| 02:53.00 | Antiarc | I dunno. I've just never seen paladins as a primary burst/lockdown class. Seems like trying to put a square peg in a round hole to try to play them as one. |
| 02:54.41 | Nom- | pre-BC, paladins were the burst kings |
| 02:54.51 | Antiarc | Err. |
| 02:54.52 | JoshBorke | my guild fails at lurker |
| 02:54.59 | Nom- | They would stun + burn down just about any class |
| 02:55.09 | Antiarc | Any class without a stun break, perhaps. |
| 02:55.24 | Nom- | No classes have a stun break |
| 02:55.35 | Antiarc | I'd put rogues at pre-BC burst kings, myself. Mutilate at pre-BC stamina levels saw very, very common 100-0 stunlocks. |
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| 02:55.45 | Antiarc | They had insignias with stun breaks. |
| 02:55.51 | Nom- | Blink could be counted i guess |
| 02:55.52 | Antiarc | Before the insignias were standardized. |
| 02:55.59 | Antiarc | And yes, Blink is a stun break. |
| 02:56.39 | Nom- | Let me put it this way, there's not a single class now that I, as a ret pally, can reliably chew out given equal gear |
| 02:56.50 | Antiarc | Yeah, same as a rogue. Welcome to BC stamina. :P |
| 02:57.08 | Nom- | equally geared, you should be owning warlocks, priests to some extent |
| 02:57.22 | Antiarc | With all my 5-minute cooldowns, certainly. |
| 02:57.22 | Nom- | hunters too |
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| 02:57.25 | Nom- | unless they're BM |
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| 02:57.27 | Antiarc | Hunters, not a chance. |
| 02:57.30 | Antiarc | And every hunter in the world is. |
| 02:57.40 | Antiarc | Seriously, I don't remember the last time I saw a non-BM hunter :/ |
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| 02:57.49 | Nom- | Really? I almost never see BM hunters any more |
| 02:57.56 | Nom- | Except those who are levelling or just hit 70 |
| 02:57.58 | Antiarc | It's top PVE DPS and top PVP survivability/burst. |
| 02:58.05 | Antiarc | Every serious raiding hunter is BM these days. |
| 02:58.12 | Nom- | Nah not really |
| 02:58.15 | Antiarc | Yeah, really. |
| 02:58.23 | Nom- | Survival and Marks because a lot of bosses make it difficult to use pets |
| 02:58.29 | Antiarc | Not since the pet changes. |
| 02:59.09 | Antiarc | The fact that scorpids are stupidly broken right now has contributed to it, I'm sure. |
| 02:59.15 | Nom- | Most raiding hunters i've spoken to have gone marks/survival for raid synergy |
| 02:59.23 | Nom- | expose weakness/trueshot aura etc etc |
| 02:59.29 | Antiarc | Ferocious Inspiration. |
| 02:59.50 | Nom- | Yeah, never seen anyone with that lately |
| 02:59.59 | Antiarc | ...what level are you raiding at? |
| 03:00.04 | Shirik | 14(2211:5611:0214) 14(1115Nom-14) Really? I almost never see BM hunters any more |
| 03:00.06 | Shirik | I'm a BM hunter |
| 03:00.08 | Shirik | er |
| 03:00.09 | Shirik | crap |
| 03:00.09 | Shirik | MM |
| 03:00.11 | Nom- | 4/6 SSC |
| 03:00.13 | Shirik | but dude, all I see is BM anymore |
| 03:00.38 | JoshBorke | ferocious inspiration affect spells? |
| 03:00.39 | Shirik | I'm like the only MM I ever see |
| 03:00.42 | Shirik | yes |
| 03:00.43 | Shirik | all damage |
| 03:00.45 | Antiarc | It affects all damage, JoshBorke |
| 03:00.50 | JoshBorke | woot |
| 03:00.53 | JoshBorke | i have a hunter in my group |
| 03:01.00 | JoshBorke | which is so incredibly stupid, but i digress |
| 03:01.09 | RogueShadow | my hunter is BM.. but like it matters, i'm only lvl 28 on my hunter. |
| 03:01.19 | Antiarc | Serpent's Swiftness is just really, really strong for lengthy fights |
| 03:02.44 | Antiarc | TSA tends to get really marginalized because of the 5-man group limit |
| 03:03.10 | Mike-N-Go | I, myself, am a BM hunter at 70. |
| 03:03.20 | Antiarc | The hunter doesn't benefit from Battleshout or Windfury, so putting them in a stacked melee group (where TSA would be useful) wastes a lot of synergy |
| 03:03.49 | RogueShadow | I'm playing Golden Sun a bit now, all this synergy talk is getting to me. |
| 03:03.53 | Nom- | hmm armory seems broken atm |
| 03:03.55 | Antiarc | But you can put a FI hunter with a shadowpriest and they both help each other out immensely |
| 03:04.07 | Nom- | our 3 main raiding hunters |
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| 03:04.22 | Nom- | 0/20/41 0/21/40 41/20/0 |
| 03:04.29 | Nom- | i guess the last one is BM |
| 03:04.35 | Antiarc | ...you have a survival raiding hunter? |
| 03:04.36 | Antiarc | Wow. |
| 03:04.37 | Nom- | But the text isn't displaying atm |
| 03:04.42 | Nom- | Expose weakness... |
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| 03:04.53 | Antiarc | ...isn't worth the DPS lost elsewhere, generally |
| 03:05.04 | Nom- | They're holding their own in dps |
| 03:05.06 | Nom- | From range |
| 03:05.07 | Antiarc | *shrug* |
| 03:05.25 | Nom- | They're not competing with the rogues of course, but that's what you get |
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| 03:10.44 | dylanm_ | Antiarc: Usually. Seems like the top guilds have at least one, but that's because their gear allows it :p |
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| 04:15.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | woo |
| 04:15.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | just got my dsl upgraded to 6mbit |
| 04:15.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | :o |
| 04:15.47 | Shirik | grats? |
| 04:15.52 | Shirik | Still 1/3 the speed of my cable connection |
| 04:16.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | :[ |
| 04:16.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | hate |
| 04:16.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | 6 mbit's about as fast as you can get out here |
| 04:16.36 | |Jelly|afk | WTB screenshot saying 18mb/s |
| 04:16.54 | |Jelly|afk | (download) |
| 04:17.28 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, fios? |
| 04:17.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | it -just- switched over |
| 04:17.34 | Shirik | no... cable |
| 04:17.35 | Shirik | as I said |
| 04:17.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | but i'm at 4 mbit atm |
| 04:17.43 | Shirik | just really good cable :) |
| 04:17.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | we'll see if it improves |
| 04:17.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | how much is it a month, shirik? |
| 04:18.00 | Thunder_Child | could still be a fiberoptic cable.... |
| 04:18.05 | Shirik | Hard to say, since it's packaged with the TV bill |
| 04:18.11 | Shirik | I think it's something along the order of $50 |
| 04:18.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | ah |
| 04:19.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | 42.95usd for 6mbit |
| 04:19.00 | |Jelly| | I think he's running 28.8 and just doesn't wanna tell anyone. |
| 04:19.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | gasp |
| 04:19.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | 550 KB/s from gametrailers so far |
| 04:19.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | let's see how we do |
| 04:20.27 | Shirik | ~lart |Jelly| |
| 04:20.27 | purl | urinates on |Jelly| |
| 04:20.39 | |Jelly| | That's kinda hot. |
| 04:20.42 | Shirik | ... |
| 04:20.49 | |Jelly| | :P |
| 04:21.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | 620 KB/s is my max so far, how ruvery |
| 04:22.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | still need moar |
| 04:23.12 | Shirik | I've gone over 1 MB/s |
| 04:23.18 | Shirik | I forget what that was from |
| 04:23.37 | Shirik | I seem to think it was something regarding WoW |
| 04:24.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | yourmom |
| 04:24.48 | AnduinLothar | does block push off dodge and parry? |
| 04:26.06 | Thunder_Child | is it just me or does the guy from "the unit" look like the guy that does the allstate comercials |
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| 04:26.36 | rayman | hello can anyone help me with wowbench? |
| 04:27.10 | Cairenn | what about it? |
| 04:27.27 | rayman | I get a error when I try to load a addon into it |
| 04:27.28 | Thunder_Child | huh, looks like i am right |
| 04:28.19 | rayman | no such file found is the error and it is looking into my addons folder for bagmeter.lua/bagmeter.lua.toc |
| 04:28.57 | rayman | and I cant figure out why it is looking into a file for another file? |
| 04:29.36 | Cairenn | for one, I'm not sure if it still even works any more, since it was never updated for WoW 2.0 |
| 04:29.49 | rayman | and for all the addons I have found it looks for a file with the format of addonname.lua/addonname.lua.toc |
| 04:29.54 | rayman | oh ok |
| 04:30.00 | Cairenn | you'd need to talk to Mikk, who doesn't seem to be in channel at the moment |
| 04:30.10 | rayman | well that maybe the problem |
| 04:30.18 | Cairenn | most likely |
| 04:30.22 | Shirik | it would be so nice to have an in-game debugger for WoW.... |
| 04:30.38 | Shirik | I've thought of several ways of accomplishing this but it's not anywhere near easy |
| 04:30.40 | rayman | do you know of a test evironment for addons for the current verison of wow |
| 04:34.20 | Shirik | yes |
| 04:34.20 | Shirik | WoW :P |
| 04:34.20 | Shirik | I actually do have a tiny batch script that I use for testing startup scripts |
| 04:34.20 | Shirik | whenever I have something that locks up at the beginning, etc. |
| 04:34.20 | Shirik | but it is extremely minimal |
| 04:34.20 | Shirik | designed for a very specific purpose |
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| 04:34.21 | rayman | how would anyone recommend learn to write addons for wow? |
| 04:34.21 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn, whats the link for clads book? |
| 04:34.21 | Cairenn | http://www.amazon.com/Hacking-Warcraft-ExtremeTech-Daniel-Gilbert/dp/0470110023/ref=sr_11_1/002-4963742-3034431?ie=UTF8&qid=1180631990&sr=11-1 |
| 04:34.21 | Thunder_Child | dont you have it "~"? |
| 04:34.21 | Cairenn | may have been put it, I don't know |
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| 04:34.22 | Shirik | also |
| 04:34.22 | Shirik | ~pil |
| 04:34.22 | purl | [pil] Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 04:34.22 | Shirik | the two combined |
| 04:34.25 | Thunder_Child | purl fails |
| 04:34.26 | purl | I fail? I FAIL? NO, YOU FAIL!!! |
| 04:34.26 | rayman | oh ok I will take a look at it |
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| 04:34.31 | Cairenn | wheee, net split |
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| 04:34.37 | Thunder_Child | ~hwow |
| 04:34.38 | purl | hwow is probably Hacking World of Warcraft, a book written by Daniel Gilbert and James Whitehead (Cladhaire) about user interface customization for WoW. http://tinyurl.com/2mgkek. |
| 04:34.59 | Thunder_Child | ~hackingwow |
| 04:35.00 | purl | "Hacking World of Warcraft" is a book by Daniel Gilbert and James Whitehead (authors of Atlas and Clique), covering all aspects of addons from what you need, what you can do, and the basics on how to write macros and addons |
| 04:35.00 | Thunder_Child | ah |
| 04:35.00 | Thunder_Child | found it |
| 04:35.23 | Thunder_Child | lol, the tinyurl ends with kek |
| 04:35.23 | Shirik | lol |
| 04:35.50 | Thunder_Child | need one that says tinyurl.com/l2kek |
| 04:36.06 | Thunder_Child | s/l2kek/L2kek |
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| 04:53.11 | |Jelly| | !c us burning legion paperclip |
| 04:53.14 | ThraeBot | |Jelly|: Paperclip, Level 20 Undead Rogue (0/0/0). 563 HP; 20.500 Melee DPS; 8.73% melee crit; 17.34% dodge; 4 shadow resist (+10);[[ TBR: 290 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/yr3mds ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2mdczr ][ Updated: Fri Sep 21 01:07:08 2007 EST ]] |
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| 04:56.03 | JunkHead-Work | Morning |
| 04:57.45 | Cairenn | hi |
| 04:57.52 | |Jelly| | Hi |
| 05:02.28 | Thunder_Child | heh, i found ACE.dll in my acrobat 8 folder |
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| 05:04.11 | Shirik | kik |
| 05:04.13 | Shirik | lol |
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| 05:17.35 | Wobin_ | |Jelly|: 0/0/0? |
| 05:19.45 | |Jelly| | Not mine. |
| 05:19.49 | |Jelly| | Checking the name. |
| 05:26.57 | Nom- | what_the_@#@! |
| 05:26.58 | Nom- | http://inventorspot.com/articles/new_bestiality_restaurant_caters_6934 |
| 05:28.00 | Nom- | Some people are just f*(#ed up |
| 05:29.28 | Shirik | anyone here use visual studio? |
| 05:29.31 | Tierrie | I do |
| 05:29.39 | Tierrie | all fucking day |
| 05:30.30 | Shirik | Is there a way to make it hook into an SVN server? |
| 05:30.35 | Shirik | like from within the IDE? |
| 05:30.37 | Tierrie | i use tortoisesvn |
| 05:30.44 | Tierrie | and hook onto explorer |
| 05:30.44 | Shirik | yeah I do too but I keep getting an error |
| 05:30.50 | Tierrie | whats the error |
| 05:31.06 | Shirik | Error: Can't copy '...' to '...': The process cannot access the file because it is being used by another process. |
| 05:31.11 | Shirik | I was assuming that it's because I have VS open |
| 05:31.20 | Tierrie | downgrade your tsvn to like, last years |
| 05:31.25 | Tierrie | the latest version is fucked in the nuts |
| 05:31.47 | Tierrie | also, are you committing or checking out? |
| 05:32.04 | Shirik | committing |
| 05:32.17 | Tierrie | then its not a problem with your local files |
| 05:32.23 | Tierrie | downgrade and see if it helps |
| 05:32.29 | Tierrie | i upgraded to the latest one and got that problem |
| 05:32.35 | Tierrie | so i reverted back to what works |
| 05:35.23 | Iriel | http://www.visualsvn.com/ |
| 05:35.40 | Iriel | http://ankhsvn.tigris.org/ |
| 05:35.50 | Tierrie | i like tortoise just fine |
| 05:36.08 | Iriel | Apparently there's one called subway too |
| 05:36.38 | Shirik | I like tortoise too |
| 05:36.50 | Shirik | I was just wondering if there was a way to do it from within visual studio, like I do with netbeans |
| 05:37.00 | Iriel | I prefer command line SVN, but i'm just a freak 8-) |
| 05:37.13 | Iriel | Anyway, I saw several things singing the praises of Ankh |
| 05:37.16 | Iriel | so you may give it a whirl |
| 05:38.10 | Shirik | I'll check it out thanks |
| 05:38.12 | Tierrie | shirik I heard you can, i tried once |
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| 05:38.25 | Tierrie | but since my work is mostly driver related, i can't do too much in vs |
| 05:38.33 | Tierrie | so i didn't try to integrate everything into the vs |
| 05:38.41 | Tierrie | i don't even get browse info |
| 05:38.51 | Tierrie | thank god for visual assist x |
| 05:39.04 | Shirik | I just use VS because I absolutely love its debugger |
| 05:39.14 | Shirik | specifically with regards to the way it handles memory issues |
| 05:39.19 | Tierrie | yeah its really awesome |
| 05:39.25 | Tierrie | but i have to use windbg :( |
| 05:39.38 | Tierrie | <- kernel prog |
| 05:39.46 | Shirik | At some point I intend to write a tiny OS |
| 05:39.49 | Shirik | just to see if I can do it |
| 05:39.54 | Shirik | and then I'll have no debugger :D |
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| 06:20.30 | Esamynn | good night everyone |
| 06:29.26 | art3mis | http://bash.org/?search=jesus&sort=0&show=25 <-- this search is win |
| 06:29.47 | art3mis | there's a "quote" i think its the 3rd or 4th that details creative fun for everyone |
| 06:32.02 | art3mis | <cndz> what would jesus do> |
| 06:32.02 | art3mis | <Josh> probably get crucified and die |
| 06:38.17 | Thunder_Child | art3mis, thats so 33 AD |
| 06:38.42 | Wobin_ | <Belial`> you still cant say anything with certainty though |
| 06:38.42 | Wobin_ | <Belial`> since the bible has like, a fucking black hole between jesus being a kid and his preaching days |
| 06:38.42 | Wobin_ | <Catoptromancy> Phase 1, birth |
| 06:38.43 | Wobin_ | <Catoptromancy> Phase 2, ??? |
| 06:38.44 | Wobin_ | <Catoptromancy> Phase 3, Prophet |
| 06:45.30 | art3mis | heh some of those are great |
| 06:49.51 | Shirik | Iriel: I'm trying VisualSVN right now since it boasted that it works in conjunction with TortoiseSVN |
| 06:49.53 | Shirik | and I love it, thanks :) |
| 06:50.58 | art3mis | <BluBandit> hello kitty is one cat i'd like to violate |
| 06:54.03 | Shirik | haha that reminds me |
| 06:54.44 | Shirik | During the lab I was teaching today, one of the students got their program to crash with an "Access violation" (Any of you that have done windows programming in an unmanaged language will realize this is just you using memory you don't have the rights to use, usually due to a bug) |
| 06:54.51 | Shirik | So he freaks out, asking me if IT was going to ban his account |
| 06:55.02 | sag_ich_nicht | oh lovely the 2.2 PTR phase is over? THANK GOD. |
| 06:55.10 | Shirik | sag_ich_nicht: Centuries behind |
| 06:55.21 | sag_ich_nicht | i know |
| 06:55.22 | sag_ich_nicht | shut up |
| 06:55.23 | sag_ich_nicht | <3 |
| 06:55.25 | Shirik | =P |
| 06:56.21 | Cairenn|afk | I told you guys on Monday that the patch is next week :p |
| 06:56.29 | sag_ich_nicht | shaddup |
| 06:56.32 | sag_ich_nicht | i will not have it! |
| 06:56.46 | art3mis | but cairenn you've got boobs, they dont realize that you can make words as well ;) |
| 06:57.39 | sag_ich_nicht | lies |
| 06:57.46 | Cairenn|afk | true enough - I think I've done my act too well, they actually think I'm a air-head |
| 06:57.50 | sag_ich_nicht | i'd say something really mean now, but then Cairenn would ban me :X |
| 06:58.10 | Cairenn|afk | naw |
| 06:58.46 | sag_ich_nicht | oh yes you would :X |
| 06:58.54 | Cairenn|afk | that was a straight line, in case you weren't aware |
| 06:58.58 | Shirik | she'd ban me |
| 06:59.36 | art3mis | thats cuz yer a jerk with no redeemable qualityies shirik |
| 06:59.40 | sag_ich_nicht | [08:58] <@Cairenn|afk> that was a straight line, in case you weren't aware <--wait, either my english fails me now or i really don't know what you mean. |
| 06:59.59 | art3mis | ;) |
| 07:00.18 | art3mis | so whats new an exciting in the world of addons? |
| 07:00.24 | art3mis | anyone made anything super awesome? |
| 07:00.27 | Cairenn|afk | a straight line is a device used in comedy, it's an opening provided for someone to then make fun of the person who delivered it |
| 07:01.08 | art3mis | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=941214467&sid=1 |
| 07:01.52 | art3mis | oh cairenn i saw yer doppleganger the other day |
| 07:01.59 | Cairenn|afk | so you said |
| 07:02.05 | art3mis | did i? |
| 07:02.20 | sag_ich_nicht | LOL |
| 07:02.22 | sag_ich_nicht | " |
| 07:02.22 | sag_ich_nicht | The reason for this change is personal/political and not technical - and it's quite sad in my opinion. |
| 07:02.23 | sag_ich_nicht | " |
| 07:02.26 | sag_ich_nicht | that's BULLSHIT |
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| 07:02.53 | sag_ich_nicht | there IS a technical reason, Rock > Ace2, and everyone who claims something different is a moron :X |
| 07:03.00 | art3mis | loook everyone its punkie! |
| 07:03.32 | Shirik | I claim Cairenn|afk |
| 07:03.36 | Shirik | does that make me a moron? |
| 07:03.59 | art3mis | that would depend on a couple of things actually |
| 07:04.08 | Cairenn|afk | sag_ich_nicht: do me a favour and take that back into the Ace channel, please? the flaming going on around it is certainly well enough covered in there, it doesn't need to be brought into here as well |
| 07:04.09 | art3mis | 1. do you have a flag? |
| 07:05.01 | art3mis | 2. is she needed for strategic sheeping purposes? |
| 07:05.50 | sag_ich_nicht | Cairenn|afk: you tell that art3mis, who linked that thread :P |
| 07:05.55 | sag_ich_nicht | not me :P |
| 07:06.08 | sag_ich_nicht | ooh wait that's on the european forums |
| 07:06.12 | Cairenn|afk | he linked a thread, he didn't make commentary about it |
| 07:06.25 | sag_ich_nicht | ~facepalm |
| 07:06.26 | purl | ACTION facepalms at the situation |
| 07:06.40 | Shirik | Obviously you're all morons |
| 07:06.46 | Shirik | Conspiracy is the only framework any addon should be using |
| 07:06.55 | Shirik | though it's not really a framework, but it is |
| 07:07.06 | Shirik | ^^ |
| 07:07.06 | Maldivia | all addons use the WoW API "framework"! :) |
| 07:07.15 | Shirik | lies |
| 07:07.20 | sag_ich_nicht | lies |
| 07:07.23 | Shirik | I'm going to go make an addon that does setfenv(0); |
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| 07:07.26 | Shirik | just to prove you wrong |
| 07:07.31 | Shirik | setfenv(0, {}) * |
| 07:07.38 | Shirik | that's all it'll do |
| 07:07.50 | art3mis | sweet! |
| 07:07.57 | art3mis | im totally gonna hack that! |
| 07:08.30 | sag_ich_nicht | >>> setfenv(0, {}) * |
| 07:08.38 | sag_ich_nicht | fail. |
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| 07:29.19 | Shirik | night everyone |
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| 07:37.50 | Tierrie | Don't taze me bro! |
| 07:42.48 | Shirik|zZz | haha |
| 07:42.57 | Shirik|zZz | I never did go back and read some of the original XKCDs |
| 07:43.04 | Shirik|zZz | Right up my alley: http://xkcd.com/62/ |
| 07:43.14 | Shirik|zZz | digital circuit design ftw |
| 07:43.28 | Shirik|zZz | anyway, night... again |
| 07:44.38 | Tem | Tierrie, famous last words |
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| 07:53.00 | Wobin_ | hurrah |
| 07:53.11 | Wobin_ | mongoose looks great on the drakefist |
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| 08:25.39 | Wobin_ | hm |
| 08:25.53 | Wobin_ | as a rogue, what's my hitrating cap? |
| 08:28.37 | Gngsk | depends on your weapon skill |
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| 08:29.57 | Codayus | http://sp00n.pytalhost.com/wow/weaponskill.htm |
| 08:30.14 | Codayus | Answers your question, Wobin_ |
| 08:32.44 | Wobin_ | woot |
| 08:32.48 | Wobin_ | very helpful, thank you |
| 08:39.33 | Wobin_ | huh |
| 08:39.41 | Wobin_ | 378 hit rating =P |
| 08:39.46 | Wobin_ | I'm not getting that -any- time soon =P |
| 08:53.37 | sag_ich_nicht | uh |
| 08:53.38 | sag_ich_nicht | Codayus |
| 08:53.51 | sag_ich_nicht | formulas behind that please. |
| 08:59.05 | Codayus | Oh, it's rather complex to be honest. |
| 08:59.23 | Codayus | http://elitistjerks.com/f31/t11885-rogue_warrior_weapon_skill_adjustment_discussion/ |
| 08:59.44 | Codayus | Current research is there. It's about 25 pages though. |
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| 09:01.06 | Codayus | Current data seems to indicate that if the difference between weapon skill and defense skill is <= 10 then miss rate is: |
| 09:01.09 | Codayus | 5% + (Mob's Defense Skill - Your Weapon Skill)*.1% |
| 09:01.18 | Codayus | If it's > 10 it appears to be: |
| 09:01.19 | Codayus | 7% + (Mob's Defense Skill - Your Weapon Skill - 10)*.4% |
| 09:01.35 | sag_ich_nicht | Codayus that's great. |
| 09:03.21 | dieck | hm. It used to be 5% + (Mob's Defense Skill - Your Weapon Skill) * .2%, for >10, iirc? |
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| 09:04.45 | Codayus | *shrug* Search me. |
| 09:05.51 | dieck | hm, if that's true, I'll have to recalculate my hit rating optimizations ;) |
| 09:08.31 | art3mis | good christ |
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| 09:10.26 | ArelAFK | µ |
| 09:10.35 | bleeter | ‽ |
| 09:10.40 | Arelenda | I concur. |
| 09:10.44 | art3mis | well put |
| 09:11.49 | Arelenda | hmm, is there any way to see the code used to generate stats below the character portrait? |
| 09:11.51 | dieck | assuming maxed weapon skill, you need 8% for lvl 73, 9% lvl 74, 10% lvl 75 -- the new formula above means 9% for lvl73, 11% for lvl74, 13% for lvl75. So it's quite a difference |
| 09:12.20 | Arelenda | dieck: are we talking about hit rating? |
| 09:12.41 | sag_ich_nicht | holy fucking shit that is awesom Codayus |
| 09:12.55 | sag_ich_nicht | +e |
| 09:12.57 | dieck | Arelenda: Codayus posted a elitistsjerks-Link above, stating new calculations, yes |
| 09:13.12 | Arelenda | oh, I'll look it up. |
| 09:13.22 | bleeter | does 2.2 change this? |
| 09:13.24 | Maldivia | Arelenda: look at the PaperDollFrame.lua |
| 09:13.52 | sag_ich_nicht | bleeter http://elitistjerks.com/f31/t11885-rogue_warrior_weapon_skill_adjustment_discussion/ |
| 09:14.03 | sag_ich_nicht | AND a calculator for it: http://sp00n.pytalhost.com/wow/weaponskill.htm |
| 09:14.28 | bleeter | thx |
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| 09:16.18 | Arelenda | Maldivia: I can't believe I missed that :/ Thanks |
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| 09:30.50 | art3mis | hrm |
| 09:33.28 | sag_ich_nicht | so |
| 09:33.34 | sag_ich_nicht | where is gagorian? :D |
| 09:37.00 | sag_ich_nicht | oh wait wrong channel :X |
| 09:38.18 | dreamss | lol the guy on top of coilskar cistern does 4k heals while i kill his pigs |
| 09:38.19 | dreamss | lol |
| 09:43.19 | bleeter | oO 2.2.2 PTR? damn me for going to uni 'n missing all the excitement :/ |
| 09:46.53 | nevcairiel | hrm? |
| 09:50.32 | bleeter | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1777870261&sid=1 |
| 09:51.44 | nevcairiel | oh. |
| 09:51.48 | nevcairiel | wonder what 2.2.2 will bring |
| 09:51.59 | nevcairiel | and what will 2.2.1 be |
| 09:52.02 | nevcairiel | questions.. |
| 09:56.34 | zenzelezz | 2.2.1 will probably be hotfixed for whatever bad stuff slipped past the testers :-p |
| 09:57.21 | bleeter | yup |
| 09:57.49 | bleeter | my guess would be 2.2.1 quick nasty hotfixes, 2.2.2 new sound build... just a guess |
| 09:58.21 | bleeter | not that I mean that blizz do produce quick nasty hotfixes.. it's all quality release ain't it folks! :D |
| 09:58.39 | nevcairiel | qua-what? |
| 09:58.48 | zenzelezz | until WoW has it's own 12.6 I won't complain about Blizzard |
| 09:58.57 | bleeter | nevcairiel: you can't say that word.. do you work for a certain gaming company? :P |
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| 12:23.48 | Cide | hi |
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| 12:54.09 | lolinternet | mhm |
| 12:54.10 | lolinternet | bleeter |
| 12:54.20 | bleeter | wut? |
| 12:54.38 | sag_ich_nicht | could you check your Errors folder in your WoW folder if it contains just .txt files or also .dmp files? |
| 12:54.58 | bleeter | 'sempty |
| 12:55.01 | sag_ich_nicht | i wanna know if the creation of the .dmp files is triggered by the presence of a debugger in the system or if they're always created. |
| 12:55.02 | sag_ich_nicht | ... |
| 12:55.37 | bleeter | ain't had a crash since ... the dsound thing was fixed |
| 12:55.55 | bleeter | and needed the diskspace, so I emptied it all out :P |
| 12:56.04 | nevcairiel | the dmp is always created |
| 12:56.09 | sag_ich_nicht | okay thanks nevcairiel. |
| 12:56.22 | bleeter | how huge are they on Win32/OSX? |
| 12:56.33 | sag_ich_nicht | ~300-400 kb |
| 12:56.39 | bleeter | lolz |
| 12:56.53 | sag_ich_nicht | i'm sending another bugreport to blizz >.> |
| 12:56.56 | bleeter | wonder what made Wine throw up 1.2-1.4GB dumps |
| 12:57.00 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 12:58.53 | bleeter | sag_ich_nicht: blizz still looking for the older win32 debugger lib, or something like that (I seem to recall you mentioning this a few months back) |
| 12:59.23 | sag_ich_nicht | yes. |
| 12:59.29 | sag_ich_nicht | dunno bout the PTR one tho |
| 12:59.33 | sag_ich_nicht | maybe they fixed it in 2.2 :X |
| 12:59.46 | bleeter | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:00.22 | bleeter | I'd be guessing there may be no change until 3.0 |
| 13:00.36 | bleeter | toolchain dependencies 'n crap.. /shrug |
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| 13:03.13 | sag_ich_nicht | mhm |
| 13:03.19 | sag_ich_nicht | PC wizard crashes for me -.- |
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| 13:04.30 | zenzelezz | do not meddle in the affairs of wizards, for they are subtle and quick to anger |
| 13:05.33 | bleeter | PCWizard.. that one of those HW diagnostic/testing foo things? |
| 13:05.51 | bleeter | can you guys tell it's been a while since I've seriously used Win32? :P |
| 13:06.32 | zenzelezz | I stopped using those after 10th grade, when the zomg-cool factor of them dropped |
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| 13:06.51 | zenzelezz | they have their use of course |
| 13:08.05 | zenzelezz | everyone used Sandra back then |
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| 13:11.34 | sag_ich_nicht | [15:06] <zenzelezz> I stopped using those after 10th grade, when the zomg-cool factor of them dropped <--blizzard wants it, blizzard gets it. |
| 13:11.48 | Lopeppeppy | I want a pwny, do I get one? |
| 13:12.24 | zenzelezz | sag_ich_nicht: <zenzelezz> they have their use of course |
| 13:13.08 | zenzelezz | peppy: no, you're already capped on pwn |
| 13:17.13 | Lopeppeppy | Awww, zenzelezz, that's very sweet... assuming you meant it that way. :P |
| 13:17.28 | zenzelezz | of course I did |
| 13:17.30 | zenzelezz | I only mock males |
| 13:18.38 | sag_ich_nicht | guys, i need a video of someone downing tidewalker using a paladin tank. someone doesn't believe me. >.> |
| 13:19.10 | Lopeppeppy | I'd love to see it myself, I take constant flak for trying to field our pally tank. All videos/sites welcome. |
| 13:20.41 | zenzelezz | perhaps http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6319226324884394992 ? Haven't had time to view it yet |
| 13:22.01 | zenzelezz | ah, nevermind, he's not MTing Moro it seems |
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| 13:26.18 | Lopeppeppy | I did find one to model a few other strategies that I keep hounding my raid group about though, so it was a good jump-link! |
| 13:28.14 | Lopeppeppy | Here's a question for the class leads or guild leads out there.... Our raiding group is at the point where we're getting cold-call applications, people we've never heard of and don't have member references for. I'm getting a bit of static for being more formal in interviewing these types of apps, and really laying out the rules and all that jazz. How do y'all differ in sizing up referrals versus cold calls? |
| 13:28.33 | [dRaCo] | why would you have the paladin tank tidewalker? |
| 13:28.56 | [dRaCo] | having him tank the murlocs makes way better use of his skills |
| 13:29.10 | sag_ich_nicht | because the higher extra blocks from holy shield make him take less damage than a druid -_- |
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| 13:29.57 | [dRaCo] | I'm pretty sure a paladin could tank tidewalker... but noone else can tank the murlocs as good as a paladin |
| 13:30.05 | sag_ich_nicht | so take 2 paladins :P |
| 13:30.32 | [dRaCo] | a raid with 2 paladin tanks? :/ |
| 13:30.37 | [dRaCo] | well, then... why not? |
| 13:31.00 | nevcairiel | Lopeppeppy: i basicly handle every application the same. we send them to the post where we lay out our goals in pve content, and they are supposed to read it before they even write their application. only a formal talk in voice to get a impression on the human side, and we start testing people. (if his equipment and expierience matches) |
| 13:31.31 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: my guild does ask if you know someone in the guild who's sponsor you, but we're no more lenient on their performance than on strangers |
| 13:31.51 | Matrix110 | Lopeppeppy you can start by telling them to edit the Applications according to your setup rules for a application and if they dont do that just deny them |
| 13:32.13 | Matrix110 | Or do it like i do and directly deny them because you know they suck if the didnt do it directly |
| 13:32.46 | Matrix110 | Tried my 1st thing for quite some time but well 1 out of 100 maybe made a good application after that so its pretty useless |
| 13:32.55 | nevcairiel | well yeah, their application should be well written already =) |
| 13:33.05 | zenzelezz | [dRaCo]: we don't "tank" the murlocs per se... paladins pull them, frost nova, Seed of Pwn, pew pew |
| 13:33.07 | Lopeppeppy | They've filled out the application, it asks if they've read the rules/charter... But I acknowledge that I'm more thorough interviewing someone I have never done a run with, than someone I've done 5 mans with already and feel I know a bit about their style. |
| 13:33.21 | Matrix110 | "filling" out is already bad |
| 13:33.26 | cryogen | looking for feedback on http://wowi.pastey.net/74176 if anyone wants to give it |
| 13:33.34 | Matrix110 | just give them some loose points they should include in their application |
| 13:33.58 | [dRaCo] | zenzelezz: if that works for you, great :) |
| 13:33.58 | Matrix110 | that especially checks their english if they understand it atleast |
| 13:34.09 | Lopeppeppy | Bah, don't pick at my word choice, Matrix110. I'm happy with the application questions... Just hoping that I'm not alone in being a bit sharper with cold calls versus referrals. |
| 13:34.45 | nevcairiel | i am sharp on everyone, just because they know someone in my guild, doesnt mean they are good players, and thats what my guild needs :) |
| 13:34.54 | zenzelezz | [dRaCo]: yeah, I'm not one for strict encounter "rules"... if it works for you then there's no reason to switch. We use warrior tank on demon phase of Leo beacuse the hitpoint difference between him and a lock was big |
| 13:35.12 | Lopeppeppy | 'cause I'm earning a bitch hat for being picky about filling my last slot, and it's driving me crazy. It's my roster, I need to fill it with someone who can communicate, cast buffs on time, and actually wants to be a healer -- not just enduring it. |
| 13:35.30 | nevcairiel | pally? |
| 13:35.31 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 13:36.00 | Lopeppeppy | Pally lead, yup. Blue rage, rawr. |
| 13:36.47 | sag_ich_nicht | mhm |
| 13:37.10 | nevcairiel | only pallys have that issue with actually wanting to heal |
| 13:37.26 | nevcairiel | no other healing class ends up in that conflict, weird pallys :) |
| 13:37.37 | [dRaCo] | zenzelezz: sure. never change a running system. |
| 13:37.42 | Lopeppeppy | No, priests and druids and shaman have it equally. Any hybrid class that's been *forced* to heal hates it forever afterward. |
| 13:38.21 | nevcairiel | i havent met druids shamans or priests that have been forced to heal |
| 13:38.25 | Lopeppeppy | I don't want one of the haters, who resents every second they are raiding and aren't having fun. |
| 13:38.47 | nevcairiel | we've feral and oomkin druids, shadow priests. . elemental shamans .. well no enhancement anymore, he left .. :) |
| 13:38.52 | LongSkromSilvers | Morning |
| 13:38.57 | Lopeppeppy | nevcairiel, you're very lucky. It's extremely common on my server, "If you can heal, you will be required to heal. So suck it up." |
| 13:39.22 | geno-afk | I feel bad for your server :/ |
| 13:39.27 | geno-afk | and those classes on your server |
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| 13:39.41 | nevcairiel | that sounds like pre-BC or something |
| 13:39.47 | TS|Skrom | I specced resto on my hunter and havn't looked back |
| 13:39.53 | geno-afk | You would |
| 13:40.03 | nevcairiel | hunters can be resto? |
| 13:40.11 | nevcairiel | healing huntards! |
| 13:40.17 | Lopeppeppy | My warlock is fury.... |
| 13:40.22 | TS|Skrom | :O |
| 13:40.26 | geno-afk | an enhancement shaman is a huge part of a properly stacked melee dps group :/ |
| 13:40.31 | TS|Skrom | My mage is protection |
| 13:40.33 | geno-afk | on my server anyway :) |
| 13:40.44 | TS|Skrom | hey Lopeppeppy |
| 13:40.50 | RogueShadow | My rogue is arcane... |
| 13:40.51 | Lopeppeppy | Meh. I'm just a choosy little bitch who wants a *healer* in the healing spot, instead of a brewing festering sore of resentment. |
| 13:41.00 | TS|Skrom | wanna see another surprise? |
| 13:41.05 | TS|Skrom | !c us gul'dan skrom |
| 13:41.06 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, TS|Skrom. I'm ready for a surprise. |
| 13:41.08 | ThraeBot | TS|Skrom: Skrom, Level 63 Orc Hunter (42/10/2). 5568 HP; 3949 Mana; 86 mana regen; 10 mp5; 859 AP; 119.400 Melee DPS; 8.12% melee crit; 14 melee hit; 962 RAP; 171.90 Ranged DPS; 14.60% ranged crit; 14 ranged hit; 7.95% dodge;[[ TBR: 823 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2bgqw7 ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2wo32v ][ Updated: Fri Sep 21 09:55:05 2007 EST ]] |
| 13:41.09 | TS|Skrom | booya |
| 13:41.20 | Lopeppeppy | Amazing what a little rest bonus will give ya, huh? |
| 13:41.31 | TS|Skrom | a little rest? that's 8 months of rest :P |
| 13:41.52 | TS|Skrom | (i know it caps out before you smart asses say anything :P) |
| 13:42.10 | geno-afk | You know rest caps out.... |
| 13:42.19 | Lopeppeppy | Being lazy doesn't get you any credit, darlin. |
| 13:42.28 | TS|Skrom | lazy ? :( |
| 13:42.38 | TS|Skrom | no no, my guild switched servers about 2 months before BVC |
| 13:42.40 | TS|Skrom | er BV |
| 13:42.48 | nevcairiel | BC |
| 13:42.51 | geno-afk | BC |
| 13:42.53 | TS|Skrom | damnit |
| 13:43.01 | Lopeppeppy | And you stayed behind? |
| 13:43.04 | TS|Skrom | that's what I get trying to sound coherent atm |
| 13:43.11 | TS|Skrom | no I went with, hence why skrom stalled at 60 |
| 13:43.38 | Lopeppeppy | I am not comprehending. That's what I get for trying to be logical this early in the morning.... |
| 13:43.49 | TS|Skrom | You called me lazy for not leveling skrom |
| 13:44.06 | TS|Skrom | I didn't level because I stopped playing him when my guild switched servers (from pvp to pve and horde to alliance) |
| 13:44.07 | Lopeppeppy | Teasingly, but yes.... |
| 13:44.12 | geno-afk | I thought was pretty clear :P |
| 13:44.31 | TS|Skrom | that's when I made Rho |
| 13:44.35 | geno-afk | Why would your guild do such a thing :( |
| 13:44.38 | TS|Skrom | !c us uldum rho |
| 13:44.40 | ThraeBot | TS|Skrom: Rho, Level 62 Human Warlock (36/17/0). 6155 HP; 6248 Mana; 140 mana regen; 11 mp5; 58 spell crit; 413 +spell dmg; 4.46% dodge;[[ TBR: 783 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2e4qbl ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/39eggk ][ Updated: Fri Sep 21 09:58:37 2007 EST ]] |
| 13:44.55 | Lopeppeppy | See, I wasn't equating all the factorials, because you left some out! |
| 13:45.12 | TS|Skrom | ahh I guess you were thinking when we moved servers that we moved our toons? |
| 13:45.19 | Lopeppeppy | Um-yeah. |
| 13:45.21 | TS|Skrom | my bad |
| 13:45.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh snap |
| 13:45.35 | Lopeppeppy | That was the disconnect in logicality, yup. |
| 13:45.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | Moot and WT Snacks are gonna be at Anime Weekend Atlanta this weekend |
| 13:45.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | hell yeah :O |
| 13:45.45 | TS|Skrom | I also took about a 3 month break in there and went and played some Everquest |
| 13:46.20 | TS|Skrom | made a new bard on a new server and ran him up to 52 with like 60 aa's haha |
| 13:46.23 | TS|Skrom | bard soloing ftw |
| 13:49.51 | Lopeppeppy | Anyone else having a problem with tooltips in the Armory? I'm trying to review an applicant's gear and all I get in the popup is the green "equip" type text. |
| 13:50.09 | [dRaCo] | link? |
| 13:50.09 | TS|Skrom | I had a problem like that the other day |
| 13:50.13 | bleeter | there's some folks posting in tech support forum saying it's a bit whack |
| 13:50.16 | bleeter | that I saw earlier |
| 13:50.16 | TS|Skrom | took about 4 refreshes to clear |
| 13:50.58 | Lopeppeppy | There's a bunch of stuff not loading, including the text on the reputation/skills/talents tabs... what a pita. |
| 13:52.00 | bleeter | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1778509886&sid=1 |
| 13:52.04 | bleeter | is the thread |
| 13:52.58 | TS|Skrom | hunter trainers train tranq shot now? hehe that's kinda funny |
| 13:53.41 | [dRaCo] | pretty useful when doing cot2 heroic |
| 13:53.55 | Cide | cot2? |
| 13:53.58 | zenzelezz | well, they gave all trainers their class's AQ20 book abilities, so might as well include Tranq Shot |
| 13:54.04 | [dRaCo] | cavern of time 2 |
| 13:54.09 | Cide | I figured |
| 13:54.09 | [dRaCo] | black morass |
| 13:54.10 | TS|Skrom | zenzelezz I guess |
| 13:54.23 | bleeter | oO when did the forums gain SC:2 and WotLK sections? |
| 13:54.27 | zenzelezz | Tranq Shot is actually used more these days |
| 13:54.29 | Cide | but why enumerate them like that? :P |
| 13:54.43 | zenzelezz | even on trash packs |
| 13:54.49 | [dRaCo] | dunno, that's the way we do it on our server |
| 13:55.02 | Cide | your server sucks |
| 13:55.04 | [dRaCo] | thought it was common that way. |
| 13:55.08 | [dRaCo] | well, yes. so? |
| 13:55.11 | TS|Skrom | hrm... wowhead's forumla for steady shot seems off |
| 13:55.15 | JoshBorke | that's a bizarre way to do it |
| 13:55.19 | Cide | TS|Skrom: how so? |
| 13:55.29 | TS|Skrom | says [RAP * 0.2 + 150] |
| 13:55.36 | sag_ich_nicht | god damn it |
| 13:55.39 | TS|Skrom | but with my 961 rap I'm hitting for 400's AFTER armor |
| 13:55.40 | sag_ich_nicht | MSinfo locked up again |
| 13:55.46 | sag_ich_nicht | full load on core 1 |
| 13:55.46 | sag_ich_nicht | -.- |
| 13:55.49 | Cide | TS|Skrom: that's what the actual game spell says |
| 13:55.53 | Cide | it's not added by wowhead |
| 13:55.54 | bleeter | sag_ich_nicht: yer system's screwed :P |
| 13:55.57 | zenzelezz | when I was on US server, they said "human" and "undead" Stratholme... when I came to EU they said "Scarlet" and "baron" |
| 13:55.57 | Cide | so I'm pretty sure it's correct |
| 13:56.11 | TS|Skrom | I understand and figured that, but that's not what I'm seeing in game |
| 13:56.21 | Cide | talents? |
| 13:56.46 | TS|Skrom | does steady shot add weap damage? |
| 13:56.47 | sag_ich_nicht | bleeter: i realize that |
| 13:56.47 | sag_ich_nicht | stfu :D |
| 13:57.10 | TS|Skrom | tooltip doesn't say so but that could easily make up the difference |
| 13:57.11 | bleeter | sag_ich_nicht: no u |
| 13:57.16 | bleeter | :P |
| 13:57.21 | Lopeppeppy | I love broken talent tooltips. *shrug* |
| 13:57.48 | cryogen | i dont suppose there is a simple use of securestateheader to create popup buttons is there? |
| 13:57.49 | TS|Skrom | I don't think I've got talents that are invisibly (ie not changing rap, not changing tooltips) adding 50+ damage avg |
| 13:58.41 | [dRaCo] | not changing tooltips... there's a lotta stuff that doesnt change tooltips |
| 13:58.49 | TS|Skrom | and alot of things that do |
| 13:59.15 | Cide | ranged weapon spec? |
| 13:59.31 | TS|Skrom | that would change the tooltip for one, and for two I'm beastmastery :D |
| 13:59.35 | sag_ich_nicht | god damn it |
| 13:59.37 | sag_ich_nicht | i'll reboot |
| 13:59.38 | TS|Skrom | er... I mean resto >.> |
| 13:59.38 | sag_ich_nicht | >< |
| 14:04.12 | Cide | you're resto |
| 14:04.26 | TS|Skrom | was a joke from earlier ;-) |
| 14:06.32 | Lopeppeppy | <---- still fury |
| 14:07.03 | zenzelezz | my warrior is affliction |
| 14:08.10 | JoshBorke | my priest is combat |
| 14:08.21 | Lopeppeppy | See? Alternative specs unite! |
| 14:08.51 | bleeter | my rogue is arcane.. wand rogue ftw! |
| 14:09.42 | zenzelezz | all my chars will be 20/21/20! |
| 14:09.49 | Polarina | Is the change log for my addon ( http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7493-Valuation.html ) well formatted in your opinion? Should I change it? |
| 14:09.51 | Wobin_ | 0/0/0 |
| 14:10.05 | Polarina | 6/6/6 |
| 14:10.11 | Polarina | :P |
| 14:11.36 | TS|Skrom | holy crap, that's really not THAT bad |
| 14:11.36 | TS|Skrom | http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=cE000xxZVxbRVzZchV0tc |
| 14:11.39 | Lopeppeppy | 51/ .... wait, you mean there's more than one tab on this thing?!?! |
| 14:11.40 | zenzelezz | I'd say it's easier to read than most change logs |
| 14:12.09 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: my first char, my warrior, had 20 points in Arms before I noticed the other trees |
| 14:12.16 | bleeter | Polarina: format and colouring's great, though I'd suggest 'Added: Added ...' is needed. If it's an added change, you don't need to restate that it's added. Same with 'Added: Now displays'... but that's just me ;) |
| 14:12.53 | Polarina | bleeter: ? |
| 14:13.26 | zenzelezz | "Added: Added 1 new item to the database." |
| 14:13.34 | bleeter | Polarina: "Added: Added 1 new item to the database." -> "Added: 1 new item to the database." ... |
| 14:13.35 | Polarina | Should that be changed? |
| 14:13.37 | zenzelezz | actually sounds more like a change |
| 14:13.50 | bleeter | # |
| 14:13.58 | bleeter | Added: Now displays gems value in tool-tips from the Item Socketing window. -> |
| 14:14.01 | bleeter | # |
| 14:14.06 | bleeter | # Added: Display of gems value in tool-tips from the Item Socketing window. |
| 14:14.19 | bleeter | it's the sub-editor in me comin' out |
| 14:14.26 | Polarina | Ah.. |
| 14:14.29 | zenzelezz | stop calling us square |
| 14:14.33 | bleeter | but the formatting and colouring is good |
| 14:14.41 | Intangir | !c us Mug'thol Intangir |
| 14:14.42 | TS|Skrom | yeah! Round4lyfe! |
| 14:14.42 | ThraeBot | Intangir: Intangir, Level 70 Undead Rogue (23/0/38). 6084 HP; 673 AP; 12.62% melee crit; 10 melee hit; 8.17% dodge; 70 resilience; 10 shadow resist (+10);[[ TBR: 1061 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2gspj4 ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/33amuq ][ Updated: Thu Sep 20 14:42:43 2007 EST ]] |
| 14:14.44 | Polarina | bleeter: Thank you. |
| 14:14.53 | Intangir | damn it.. why isnt blizz updating my profile |
| 14:15.00 | Intangir | i havent been naked on that character for 3 days |
| 14:15.13 | TS|Skrom | have you logged out in three days? |
| 14:15.18 | TS|Skrom | :O |
| 14:15.20 | Intangir | ya i have |
| 14:15.21 | bleeter | Polarina: no problems. I appreciate that English may not be your native language, so I'm only too happy to give editing suggestions :) |
| 14:15.33 | Polarina | bleeter: No problem. |
| 14:15.50 | bleeter | hell, you speak it better than many natives :/ |
| 14:15.59 | bleeter | it's them I usually can't be bothered with |
| 14:16.06 | Intangir | i donts need to know me no grammer |
| 14:16.18 | Intangir | im a amerikeen |
| 14:16.20 | Intangir | hehe ;) |
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| 14:16.31 | Lopeppeppy | Don't need no ninnervate. |
| 14:16.37 | bleeter | i speka english guud, i learn it from a boook<manuel /> |
| 14:16.45 | Intangir | lol |
| 14:17.00 | Polarina | bleeter: English isn't even my native language. My native language has nothing related to English.. |
| 14:17.12 | Intangir | Polarina: whats your native language |
| 14:17.20 | Polarina | Intangir: Icelandic. |
| 14:17.22 | Cide | TS|Skrom: FYI, not sure that +damage% would show up in the tooltip |
| 14:17.48 | TS|Skrom | Could be right. I'm pretty sure it used to modify the tooltips. |
| 14:18.05 | TS|Skrom | I know it modifiest the ranged weapon spread from the character tab. |
| 14:18.08 | TS|Skrom | that I'm sure of. |
| 14:18.18 | TS|Skrom | where'd that errant 't' come from? |
| 14:18.50 | Polarina | bleeter: Is the changelog better now? |
| 14:19.01 | zenzelezz | ranged weapon spread? |
| 14:19.12 | TS|Skrom | Damage 300-350 |
| 14:19.19 | zenzelezz | aha |
| 14:19.22 | Cide | yeah, but not spell tooltips afaik |
| 14:19.26 | Cide | maybe some |
| 14:19.36 | TS|Skrom | You may be right. It's been a long time since I've been marks :) |
| 14:19.53 | TS|Skrom | at any rate, I don't have it so that's not accounting for the extra 50 (post armor) damage |
| 14:20.29 | TS|Skrom | I'm checking the hunter forums now to see if I can find the answer |
| 14:20.42 | bleeter | Polarina: the 'display of gems' is, 'Added: Added ...' is still there. |
| 14:21.08 | bleeter | Polarina: but seriously, I wouldn't worry too much. It's far better than most changelogs on WoWI ;) |
| 14:21.15 | Polarina | bleeter: Yes, I know. Couldn't quickly find a replacement for these. |
| 14:21.52 | Cide | changelogs are overrated |
| 14:21.54 | Cide | I provide diffs |
| 14:22.30 | Polarina | diff -u <old file> <new file> |
| 14:23.14 | Polarina | Is it really that hard for the normal user to execute that simple command? |
| 14:23.28 | bleeter | Polarina: 'normal' users don't have diff |
| 14:23.39 | Polarina | o.O |
| 14:23.40 | bleeter | hell, 'normal' users don't know cmd.exe exists |
| 14:23.50 | Cide | cmd? |
| 14:23.51 | Polarina | What's cmd.exe? |
| 14:23.56 | Cide | ha, I win. |
| 14:23.58 | bleeter | devilspawn |
| 14:24.11 | Polarina | Never heard it named. |
| 14:24.19 | Intangir | its an antiquated and near useless relic of a poorly designed insecure unstable operating system |
| 14:24.23 | Intangir | i believe people call it 'windows' |
| 14:24.26 | deltron | :P |
| 14:24.32 | deltron | cmd is awesome |
| 14:24.33 | Cide | windows isn't unstable |
| 14:24.38 | Cide | there, I said it! |
| 14:24.40 | Intangir | lol ;) |
| 14:24.44 | Cide | I'm honest though |
| 14:24.48 | deltron | powershell is pwn btw |
| 14:24.56 | Intangir | ya pretty unstable |
| 14:24.59 | Cide | I haven't had a crash on vista since I got it |
| 14:24.59 | bleeter | well, it's true... the users tend to be more unstable than the platform. |
| 14:25.12 | Intangir | whats your up time ;) |
| 14:25.17 | bleeter | so from that comparison, it's stable. |
| 14:25.17 | Intangir | Delaware was the first state to ratify the U.S. Constitution. It may be the first state to be afflicted with a fully operational death squad – unless a civil lawsuit filed on Friday against the murders of Derek J. Hale results in criminal charges and a complete lustration (in the Eastern European sense of the term) of Delaware's law enforcement establishment. |
| 14:25.33 | Intangir | oops |
| 14:25.33 | deltron | I had crashes on vista a little before release, but that was driver stuff |
| 14:25.33 | Cide | not very much, Intangir |
| 14:25.39 | Polarina | Intangir: Oh.. That one. I used to do a direct translation for the sentence "Microsoft Windows XP Professional" from English to Icelandic. It comes out funny. |
| 14:25.55 | Intangir | did that paste? |
| 14:26.05 | Intangir | 09:19 Irssi uptime: 318d 23h 26m 54s |
| 14:26.10 | Intangir | thats what i meant to paste |
| 14:26.19 | Cide | good for you |
| 14:26.33 | Intangir | i havent given vista much of a chance |
| 14:26.37 | Intangir | it annoyed me too hard to fast |
| 14:26.39 | Cide | then why are you bashing it? |
| 14:26.42 | deltron | 318 days? |
| 14:26.48 | Intangir | 'your computer is trying to crash, allow or deny?' |
| 14:26.53 | deltron | fool, reboot for kernel upgrades |
| 14:26.54 | Cide | don't be stupid |
| 14:26.54 | bleeter | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:27.04 | deltron | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:27.04 | bleeter | massive power grid failure ftl :( |
| 14:27.08 | Cide | you only get UAC stuff when you install things, more or less |
| 14:27.14 | TS|Skrom | lol Inangir that's some fun morning reading. Could have been worse though. You coulda been looking at pr0n or something. |
| 14:27.15 | deltron | you can disable UAC |
| 14:27.16 | Cide | give it a try after the initial set up |
| 14:27.17 | Polarina | Intangir: If Irssi had a remotely controlled lua parser, I would definaly reset your counter to zero. |
| 14:27.20 | Cide | and you can also disable it |
| 14:27.23 | Intangir | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:27.53 | Intangir | TS|Skrom: lol ya ;) |
| 14:28.00 | Intangir | that story is fucked up, i can send you the whole article sec |
| 14:28.12 | Intangir | http://truthapedia.blogspot.com/ |
| 14:28.25 | Intangir | they just executed the guy |
| 14:28.27 | deltron | TS|Skrom: morning |
| 14:28.29 | Intangir | turned out it wasnt even the right guy |
| 14:28.33 | TS|Skrom | 'owdy |
| 14:28.44 | TS|Skrom | Ready for some more dungeon crawling sir bard? |
| 14:28.47 | deltron | aye |
| 14:29.45 | Intangir | lol |
| 14:29.52 | Intangir | what would a bard be doing in a dungeon, seriously |
| 14:30.01 | TS|Skrom | singing of course |
| 14:30.11 | Lopeppeppy | Looking for the magical golden lute string of +statofchoice? |
| 14:30.15 | deltron | that's pretty much all I do :P |
| 14:30.16 | Intangir | 'alo cruel monsta! might i serenade you in a nice little.. SOOOONG!' |
| 14:30.24 | Intangir | 'grrarrrH! NOOO!!! *dead*' |
| 14:30.31 | TS|Skrom | bards are awesome buffbots |
| 14:30.38 | Intangir | lol |
| 14:30.42 | Intangir | i like on monty python |
| 14:31.02 | Intangir | 'when danger reared its ugly head he bravely turned his tail and fled, brave brave brave brave sir robin!' |
| 14:31.08 | Intangir | ya i can see how that would raise his moral |
| 14:31.50 | Intangir | I DIDNT! |
| 14:31.51 | TS|Skrom | well, more susccessful bards are known for adding +4-8 to attack and +3 or so damage |
| 14:31.52 | Intangir | hehehe ;) |
| 14:32.02 | Intangir | what game are you talking about? |
| 14:32.06 | TS|Skrom | in addition to adding extra attacks/round and healing when needed |
| 14:32.10 | TS|Skrom | D&D |
| 14:32.21 | TS|Skrom | what are YOU talking about |
| 14:32.28 | Intangir | this new game |
| 14:32.37 | Intangir | called 'real life' hehe ;) |
| 14:32.50 | Intangir | ofcourse there is a serious shortage of dungeons these days |
| 14:32.54 | Intangir | and bards for that matter |
| 14:32.57 | TS|Skrom | not to mention bards |
| 14:33.00 | TS|Skrom | drat |
| 14:34.11 | bleeter | BRAVE BRAVE BRAVE SIR ROBIN! |
| 14:34.36 | Intangir | lol :) |
| 14:35.07 | TS|Skrom | I've got a level 12 toon who is if I recall correctly a bard 10/virtuoso 2 |
| 14:35.13 | TS|Skrom | he kicks major amounts of ass |
| 14:35.13 | Lopeppeppy | There are no shortage of dungeons, they're just harder to recognize. Take a maze of dark alleys in New York City, or Singapore, or anywhere... that's a modern dungeon. |
| 14:35.45 | Intangir | i think guantanimo more accurately qualifies |
| 14:36.37 | Intangir | there was this haunted abanadoned mental health faciily near new york |
| 14:36.48 | Intangir | tons of people would try to get into it and see the weird shit |
| 14:36.52 | Intangir | but it got torn down |
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| 14:36.59 | Intangir | that wouldve been a good dungeon |
| 14:37.03 | Intangir | sounded scary as hell |
| 14:37.17 | Intangir | a ton of people said they saw all kinds of weird shit there |
| 14:37.34 | Intangir | in almost every story the claim cops showed up.. seems like the cops mustve had a camera or some way of telling when people were there |
| 14:37.55 | Intangir | a few people said they saw a blue floating cloud like thing, that ran away the second it 'noticed' them |
| 14:38.05 | Intangir | a few say they saw dark figures that screwed GET OUT at them |
| 14:38.08 | Intangir | screamed.. |
| 14:38.14 | Intangir | seemed pretty freaky ;) |
| 14:38.19 | Intangir | i wouldnt have had the balls to go out there |
| 14:38.34 | bleeter | Polarina, Kaydeethree, wine folks.. the hang on exit bug is apparently fixed in Wine Git now. http://www.winehq.org/pipermail/wine-cvs/2007-September/036373.html |
| 14:38.48 | Intangir | cool |
| 14:39.00 | bleeter | I'm off to bed, I'll test and check in the morning. If you folks get a chance to test/check, please comment @ http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9479 |
| 14:39.38 | Intangir | i hope they are quick with any issues on the new version |
| 14:39.48 | Intangir | i was getting pretty damn choppy performance with that new sound engine |
| 14:41.23 | Polarina | bleeter: :D |
| 14:41.29 | Polarina | bleeter: Good night, sleep tight. |
| 14:42.15 | Cairenn|afk | night bleeter |
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| 14:48.16 | TS|Skrom | oh hey, I gots a macro question ^^ |
| 14:48.51 | TS|Skrom | well not really a macro question but do any of you orcs out there notice that Blood Fury seems to cause "no GCD" macros to fail? |
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| 14:55.00 | THECraZY | hello hello world |
| 14:55.17 | THECraZY | im stuck |
| 14:55.21 | Lopeppeppy | Only if you have "show lua errors" enabled! |
| 14:55.40 | THECraZY | ;) |
| 14:55.54 | THECraZY | Does anyone know how to make smaller <CheckButton> ? |
| 14:56.08 | THECraZY | im kinda new to the whole xml ui business and i havent figured that one out yet |
| 14:56.39 | THECraZY | Blizz's interface option screen has smaller checkbox buttons id like to use that |
| 14:57.34 | clad|moving | well you set the size |
| 14:57.46 | clad|moving | and if there's one already being used, just look at that part of the FrameXML and see what template/size they are using. |
| 14:59.27 | THECraZY | ok so i can just use the size tag |
| 15:02.06 | Shirik | Developing an algorithm for something that's O(n^20) when it can be done as O(1) is the best way to show your teacher the full extent of your skills |
| 15:03.05 | THECraZY | And the day ill understand what your talking about Shirik is the day something went wrong with me lol |
| 15:03.22 | Shirik | *headdesk* |
| 15:03.31 | Shirik | ~wiki big O notation |
| 15:03.38 | THECraZY | oh |
| 15:03.41 | THECraZY | i get it now |
| 15:03.44 | THECraZY | lmao |
| 15:04.10 | Shirik | purl, you fail |
| 15:04.10 | purl | ACTION slaps you for calling her a failure. |
| 15:04.13 | Shirik | again |
| 15:04.17 | THECraZY | indeed |
| 15:04.21 | THECraZY | hey |
| 15:04.25 | THECraZY | slap me? |
| 15:04.28 | Shirik | ~wikipedia big O notation |
| 15:04.28 | |Jelly| | She fights back! |
| 15:05.38 | THECraZY | im sure its an interesting read |
| 15:06.04 | THECraZY | ill go back to my sheeps thx a bunch clad|moving what you suggested works like a charm |
| 15:06.48 | Shirik | THECraZY: It's actually an extremely simple concept, it just sounds intimidating :) |
| 15:08.39 | THECraZY | well the whole fact of me actualy putting lines of codes end to end and having results is amazing so im not gonna start reading theories on data input size and aglorithms etc... |
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| 15:09.34 | THECraZY | just read the intro on wiki... and im lost |
| 15:09.46 | Shirik | hehe |
| 15:09.50 | Shirik | ok look, it's this simple |
| 15:09.59 | Shirik | every piece of code has an amount of time it'll take to execute, right? |
| 15:10.04 | THECraZY | so ya... i RTFM and when im lost very nice ppl like clad|moving push me in the right direction and i learn a bit more ;) |
| 15:10.14 | THECraZY | ya makes sence |
| 15:10.18 | cog|work | I give up on computers |
| 15:10.35 | |Jelly| | I give up on YOU, Cog! |
| 15:10.38 | Shirik | Big O notation expresses the complexity of any algorithm. It logically follows that it can help you find approximately how long it will take (or at least choose one algorithm over the other) |
| 15:10.42 | THECraZY | ill fix your hardware you fix my code Cog ;) |
| 15:10.42 | zenzelezz | the problem with O() is when you're noob at math |
| 15:10.47 | |Jelly| | Just kidding! I'd never leave you! /wink |
| 15:10.51 | cog|work | I think i should just get a mac and be done with all the crap |
| 15:11.03 | Shirik | For example, take two algorithms that allow you to calculate the sum of all values below it |
| 15:11.06 | THECraZY | Oh zenzelezz you just described me |
| 15:11.11 | |Jelly| | Could you slap yourself for me? Plix? |
| 15:11.34 | Shirik | One method is to do a loop, right? local sum = 0; for x = 1, n do sum = sum + x; end print(sum) |
| 15:11.52 | Shirik | That's O(n) -- the complexity to find the solution goes up linearly with increasing input values |
| 15:12.03 | Codayus | O(n) means that if to process 50 elements takes a minute, 100 probably takes 2 minutes, and 500 takes 10 minutes. |
| 15:12.49 | Shirik | Another method is to... do some formula that I can't come up with right now |
| 15:12.58 | THECraZY | oh ya that makes sence |
| 15:13.03 | Shirik | but it would be something like local sum = n * n + n - a bunch of other stuff |
| 15:13.11 | Codayus | See? Linear. There might be some static overhead there... maybe ANY elements take 30s, and thereafter each element takes 1s...but for really big n's, all that matters is the n. |
| 15:13.15 | Shirik | that would be O(1) -- the complexity is always the same, no matter what value you come up with |
| 15:14.04 | THECraZY | cog|work macs are preloaded with crap your asking for trouble |
| 15:14.20 | cog|work | yes, but i know the hardware will at least play nicely together |
| 15:14.28 | cog|work | and I can wipe it and install vista :P |
| 15:14.35 | THECraZY | omg |
| 15:14.38 | THECraZY | now your asking for trouble |
| 15:14.43 | cog|work | vista's fine |
| 15:14.47 | THECraZY | i wont touch vista for at least 2 years |
| 15:14.51 | Shirik | Vista is fine |
| 15:15.09 | cog|work | :P |
| 15:15.13 | THECraZY | lol |
| 15:15.17 | THECraZY | XP is what i call fine |
| 15:15.24 | cog|work | I was the same way with XP |
| 15:15.29 | Shirik | ok |
| 15:15.29 | Shirik | what's wrong with Vista? |
| 15:15.32 | THECraZY | yep |
| 15:15.32 | cog|work | but that was mostly because I couldn't afford to upgrade :P |
| 15:15.36 | |Jelly| | [10:14]<cog|work>vista's fine // [10:14]<Shirik>Vista is fine <-- quoted for troof |
| 15:15.36 | Lopeppeppy | Cogwheel, I've thought long and hard about flipping over to the Mac side. |
| 15:15.51 | THECraZY | stuff doesnt work shaky drivers bad support by several hardware manufacturer |
| 15:16.02 | Shirik | I have had none of these issues |
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| 15:16.15 | Shirik | in fact I have better support on vista than I had on XP |
| 15:16.15 | Shirik | That's why I made the switch |
| 15:16.20 | |Jelly| | Nooooooo Peppy! Don't go to the dark side! |
| 15:16.33 | THECraZY | ya well i get to downgrade so many pc at work its like a daily routine now |
| 15:16.46 | Shirik | I think you need to find a better hardware supplier |
| 15:17.04 | THECraZY | i deal with the average joe's pc |
| 15:17.22 | Lopeppeppy | Like every other something, YMMV on utility, desirability and availability of the product.... |
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| 15:17.53 | THECraZY | and when your job is to fix PCs you get to do a lot of mileage |
| 15:18.20 | cog|work | See, the thing is, i'm not really having trouble with Vista. I just have been having REALLY bad luck with motherboards, hard drives, and other random hardware that should "just work" |
| 15:18.33 | THECraZY | yep thats the thing |
| 15:18.38 | THECraZY | it should just work and it doesnt |
| 15:18.50 | THECraZY | I blame Microsoft |
| 15:18.53 | cog|work | i didn't say "work with vista" |
| 15:19.01 | THECraZY | haha ya well... |
| 15:19.09 | THECraZY | its all about drivers |
| 15:19.12 | cog|work | no |
| 15:19.23 | cog|work | you still don't get it... |
| 15:19.33 | THECraZY | ? |
| 15:19.36 | cog|work | I installed a new mobo and when I booted into the bios setup it all seemed to go ok |
| 15:19.39 | |Jelly| | Vista found all my drivers for me. :\ |
| 15:19.44 | cog|work | but then it suddenly froze when I try to change settings |
| 15:19.45 | zenzelezz | I'm against the UAC, DRM, the glossy default interface, the additional hardware requirements for little extra use (to me) in Vista |
| 15:19.48 | |Jelly| | Then, I updated my video drivers on my own. |
| 15:19.51 | cog|work | It'll randomly not post |
| 15:20.03 | cog|work | and when it does post it freezes at random points in the process |
| 15:20.05 | THECraZY | oh well then your problem isnt vista |
| 15:20.14 | |Jelly| | orly? ... |
| 15:20.15 | cog|work | That's what I've been saying ! |
| 15:20.17 | cog|work | :P |
| 15:20.23 | THECraZY | lol CONTEXT! |
| 15:21.04 | THECraZY | if you dont have it go on ultimatebootcd.com |
| 15:21.10 | THECraZY | its a real gem |
| 15:21.10 | Shirik | best CD ever |
| 15:21.14 | Shirik | anyway, class time |
| 15:21.15 | THECraZY | oh yeah |
| 15:21.18 | Shirik | THECraZY: Where do you work? |
| 15:21.25 | cog|work | My previous mobo worked for the most part but also would randomly not post |
| 15:21.42 | cog|work | and this one was supposed to be a fix |
| 15:21.55 | cog|work | I've been having trouble like this consistently for the past year :( |
| 15:22.01 | THECraZY | Oh I fix pcs for a local store in montreal |
| 15:22.33 | THECraZY | I had to get my shuttle xpc exchanged 3 times to get a working mobo |
| 15:22.37 | Cairenn | rarr! another canuck! |
| 15:23.07 | THECraZY | damn thing would freeze and stop posting for days until it magicly decided it was time to boot |
| 15:23.18 | THECraZY | i ended up with a new revision motherboard and it stoped |
| 15:23.26 | Lopeppeppy | Noooo, not another Canadian!! *hides* |
| 15:23.50 | THECraZY | :rolleyes: |
| 15:24.17 | THECraZY | do you have some hardware you can swap in? |
| 15:27.55 | THECraZY | like ram, psu, cpu and gfx card? |
| 15:28.43 | cog|work | THECraZY: I don't have any /different/ ones I can try... My wife and I have pretty much all the same components |
| 15:29.19 | cog|work | but the ram, video card, and CPU have all been working fine over the past year |
| 15:29.20 | THECraZY | thats good enough man |
| 15:29.23 | cog|work | on my old mobo |
| 15:29.46 | THECraZY | one of them is working properly? |
| 15:30.04 | cog|work | my wife's mobo went bad so i handed mine down to her and got a new one for myself |
| 15:30.47 | THECraZY | ok so your wife's pc is fine but yours is messed up |
| 15:31.16 | cog|work | FYI: i have an A+ certificate so i do know what i'm doing ;) |
| 15:31.45 | cog|work | been doing this kind of stuff semi-professionally for years |
| 15:31.58 | |Jelly| | Lies. All lies. |
| 15:32.13 | Cidan | AHAHHA |
| 15:32.15 | Cidan | AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHAHAHAHA |
| 15:32.16 | cog|work | i'm just venting, really |
| 15:32.17 | Cidan | Oh wow |
| 15:32.22 | Cidan | [11:32] <cog|work> FYI: i have an A+ certificate so i do know what i'm doing ;) |
| 15:32.23 | cog|work | ~lart Shirik|AFK |
| 15:32.23 | purl | drops a baby grand on Shirik|AFK |
| 15:32.24 | Cidan | HAHAHAHAHAHA |
| 15:32.45 | THECraZY | haha its fine |
| 15:32.47 | zenzelezz | I really wish people would stick to a simple "lol" |
| 15:32.49 | Cidan | whew |
| 15:32.57 | Cidan | Sorry, sorry, hehehaa |
| 15:33.04 | cog|work | Cidan: A+ is NOT to computer repair what MCSE is to IT |
| 15:33.06 | THECraZY | was just offering to have a 2nd look at it |
| 15:33.26 | |Jelly| | <3 Working with a guy who had his MCSE. |
| 15:33.28 | cog|work | I practically taught the class :P |
| 15:33.33 | THECraZY | ;) |
| 15:33.54 | THECraZY | well then all id say is: id be curious to see what happens when you put your old mobo back in your box |
| 15:33.59 | cog|work | (almost literally... the teacher was an uber geek and nobody liked him... I pretty much had to translate for everyone else in the class) |
| 15:34.00 | THECraZY | then youd be sure were the issue is |
| 15:34.11 | cog|work | THECraZY: yeah. that's my next step at this point |
| 15:34.24 | cog|work | just didn't have time last night and i don't want to leave my wife without a computer... |
| 15:34.36 | |Jelly| | IMO This isn't a broken computer. This is an excuse to upgrade. |
| 15:34.46 | cog|work | Through all of this at least she's had a consistently working computer |
| 15:34.52 | |Jelly| | Why fix when you can REPLACE?! :P |
| 15:34.56 | Intangir | if you want to upgrade a computer you can upgrade mine |
| 15:35.09 | THECraZY | haha... im my network class we had an A+ class too i didnt go then got into trouble with the... well whoever is in charge of the school (private school) |
| 15:35.12 | |Jelly| | Mine too! I'm still using AGP and DDR! |
| 15:35.28 | cog|work | DDR's fun |
| 15:35.30 | cog|work | <.< |
| 15:35.32 | cog|work | >.> |
| 15:35.32 | THECraZY | i told him, hey man im paying for this its a private class so ill miss class if i feel like it |
| 15:35.48 | THECraZY | i went for the final exam passed with 99% and went hom |
| 15:35.50 | THECraZY | home |
| 15:35.51 | Intangir | whats the new thing past DDR? |
| 15:35.54 | cog|work | THECraZY: heh. yeah... my wife was that way with her bookkeeping program |
| 15:35.59 | |Jelly| | DDR2 :P |
| 15:36.00 | THECraZY | lol |
| 15:36.02 | Intangir | oh |
| 15:36.06 | krka | isn't guitar hero the new ddr? |
| 15:36.06 | cog|work | she passed with about 80% absence |
| 15:36.14 | THECraZY | lol |
| 15:36.15 | |Jelly| | No. Rock Band is. |
| 15:36.16 | Intangir | i like guitar hero ;) |
| 15:36.23 | Intangir | i want to play guitar hero 3 |
| 15:36.30 | Intangir | rock band can kiss my ass |
| 15:36.31 | Intangir | ;) |
| 15:36.38 | |Jelly| | I wanna play rock band! I wanna play the drums! |
| 15:36.47 | Intangir | i like the guitar games |
| 15:36.55 | Intangir | i am getting pretty damn good with the fake guitar ;) |
| 15:36.56 | Intangir | hahah |
| 15:37.02 | Intangir | now if only i could play a real guitar |
| 15:37.04 | THECraZY | I worked in a store as a tech instead of going to class... hand son experience is WAY better |
| 15:37.10 | |Jelly| | I think it's funny when the Guitar Hero version of a song is harder than the actual song. |
| 15:37.17 | Intangir | ya |
| 15:37.19 | THECraZY | lol ya |
| 15:37.21 | Intangir | i think thats true of some of the songs |
| 15:37.30 | THECraZY | guitar hero and playing guitar has NOTHING to do with each other |
| 15:37.38 | |Jelly| | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:37.57 | |Jelly| | Well, considering I play both, I feel that I'm allowed to make the comparison. |
| 15:38.03 | Intangir | for real? |
| 15:38.10 | Intangir | well your probably just more used to whats harder about real guitar |
| 15:38.14 | Intangir | and doesnt factor in for you anymore |
| 15:38.22 | Intangir | but for a newb, it would make it much much harder |
| 15:38.33 | THECraZY | your probably right on that |
| 15:39.03 | THECraZY | technicaly it HAS to be easier not taking 6 strings into account |
| 15:39.09 | Intangir | ya |
| 15:39.15 | THECraZY | i guess im just a bad button smasher lol |
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| 15:39.30 | |Jelly| | You would think. But if the game is harder to play than the actual song, there's got to be something wrong. |
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| 15:39.45 | Intangir | some of the guitar hero songs are really hard though, cause i mean on a real guitar theres room for error, if you miss the timing slightly it just sounds a bit stylized maybe ;) |
| 15:39.45 | |Jelly| | Read: Half the songs on expert that don't involve extreme guitar wanking. |
| 15:39.50 | Intangir | but in guitar hero, you get booed off hahaha |
| 15:40.13 | THECraZY | Stylized he ;D |
| 15:40.50 | THECraZY | i think those lill plastic buttons dont register presse properly |
| 15:40.52 | cog|work | THECraZY: yeah... i had lots of hands on experience before taking the class... The only things I really learned were some low-level partition table layouts and a few newer technologies that I never could afford :P |
| 15:40.53 | Intangir | i cant wait to try out guitar hero 3 |
| 15:41.20 | Intangir | i beat the others on expert ;) |
| 15:42.02 | Intangir | wish someone would make a game/program like that for real guitar |
| 15:42.06 | Intangir | where you can plug it into your computer |
| 15:42.10 | THECraZY | cog|work: Ya we go to school for the paperwork thats pretty much it ;) |
| 15:42.12 | Intangir | and it tells you what notes/tabs to play |
| 15:42.20 | Intangir | and it tells you if you got it right |
| 15:42.24 | Intangir | that would be awesome |
| 15:42.31 | THECraZY | hey instan |
| 15:42.48 | Intangir | what? |
| 15:42.53 | THECraZY | ive seen a guitar with leds embeded in the frets |
| 15:43.12 | THECraZY | its got a midi interface and it lights up were to put your fingers to play a song |
| 15:43.22 | THECraZY | was a while back though |
| 15:43.41 | Intangir | weird |
| 15:44.08 | THECraZY | omg they came up with real midi guitar now with buttons for each frets and string ZOMFG |
| 15:44.44 | Intangir | link |
| 15:44.59 | THECraZY | oh this is what i was talking about well... one of many available im sure http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/gadgets/musical-instruments/optek-fretlight-guitar-037096.php |
| 15:45.28 | THECraZY | as for the full midi guitar check this one out http://abetrading.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=6 |
| 15:45.45 | THECraZY | i wouldnt get that one though... you dont get the feal of the strings |
| 15:46.11 | Intangir | badass |
| 15:46.19 | Intangir | ya i woudl love to learn a real guitar |
| 15:46.19 | THECraZY | ya! crazy yamaha |
| 15:46.24 | Intangir | but it seems the learning curve is soooo huge |
| 15:46.35 | |Jelly| | Buy a guitar. Buy lessons. ????? Profit. |
| 15:46.38 | Intangir | like learning a saxophone was pretty easy |
| 15:46.45 | THECraZY | well the 1st one i liked would probably be best for actualy learning something |
| 15:47.05 | Intangir | i bought a guitar |
| 15:47.09 | Intangir | and took some lessons |
| 15:47.31 | Intangir | but im at the part where he just says 'play these scales, learn to strum, learn some coords' im sure these are all important things, but they arent fun or interesting |
| 15:47.35 | Intangir | or easy |
| 15:47.39 | |Jelly| | Regardless of what you're about to say, if you didn't have synergy with your teacher, it wont matter. |
| 15:47.48 | THECraZY | yep |
| 15:47.57 | Shirik|AFK | Intangir: Chords |
| 15:48.01 | Intangir | ya |
| 15:48.05 | Intangir | sorry im a programmer ;) |
| 15:48.07 | Intangir | coords ;) |
| 15:48.12 | THECraZY | and your teacher SHOULD be trowing in a song or two here in there in between all that theory to keep things interesting |
| 15:48.17 | |Jelly| | So, you'd rather get right to business without having a foundation? :\ |
| 15:48.17 | Shirik|AFK | Nothing wrong with being both a programmer and play music |
| 15:48.18 | Shirik|AFK | like me |
| 15:48.41 | Intangir | |Jelly|: yes ;) |
| 15:48.55 | |Jelly| | Set yourself up to fail. Have fun. :\ |
| 15:49.03 | Intangir | im aware its impractical |
| 15:49.14 | Intangir | but still, i mean honestly the process has to be interesting |
| 15:49.22 | Intangir | oh shit man i drank too much caffine and im getting crazy finger shakes |
| 15:49.29 | Intangir | the jitters |
| 15:49.33 | THECraZY | well if you want to learn a few songs its easy |
| 15:49.53 | THECraZY | start with simple songs and google its name + guitar tabs |
| 15:50.06 | Intangir | i got some of those guitar tabs |
| 15:50.08 | THECraZY | youll find a lot of crazy stuff so check a few tabs some dont make sence |
| 15:50.11 | Intangir | and they seem pretty damn inaccurate |
| 15:50.13 | cog|work | I want to learn Lament to Captain Placeholder |
| 15:50.18 | THECraZY | yep |
| 15:50.47 | Intangir | some do at least |
| 15:50.50 | Shirik|AFK | ROFL |
| 15:50.53 | Shirik|AFK | AHAHAH |
| 15:50.55 | Shirik|AFK | ok |
| 15:51.01 | Shirik|AFK | so someone complains of having problems with fubar |
| 15:51.03 | Intangir | i mean some dont even sound right, some seem to sound about right, but the way they are played doesnt seem right |
| 15:51.11 | Shirik|AFK | the response, of course, is "Nothing you can do about it... either stick with release versions or deal with the problems." |
| 15:51.14 | Shirik|AFK | makes sense to me |
| 15:51.17 | Shirik|AFK | here's the OP's response: |
| 15:51.23 | THECraZY | you may want to try different sites some actualy show the chords its easier than the tabs |
| 15:51.23 | Shirik|AFK | "you mean the release versions that spit errors every 5 seconds? gg i use wowaceupdater, does anyone have an intelligent response ?" |
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| 15:51.42 | |Jelly| | Hey Shirik, three days called. They want their topic back. <3 |
| 15:51.46 | Shirik|AFK | =( |
| 15:52.03 | |Jelly| | !vs us burning legion jelly us drenden kimina |
| 15:52.08 | ThraeBot | |Jelly|: Jelly vs Kimina! Two 70 priests square off!; Kimina wins by 88 TBRs! |
| 15:52.10 | |Jelly| | Feel better? |
| 15:52.11 | Shirik|AFK | win! |
| 15:52.17 | Intangir | lol |
| 15:52.24 | Shirik|AFK | I should put on my pvp gear and see what happens |
| 15:52.33 | Intangir | !vs us Mug'thol vs us Lightbringer Traxia |
| 15:52.34 | ThraeBot | Intangir: I failed on the first listed character. You fail. |
| 15:52.36 | Intangir | oops |
| 15:52.40 | Intangir | !vs us Mug'thol Intangir vs us Lightbringer Traxia |
| 15:52.41 | ThraeBot | Intangir: I failed on the first listed character. You fail. |
| 15:52.57 | THECraZY | ? whats that |
| 15:52.57 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Vilkku (n=Vilkku@dsl-86-60-132-15-DynIP.ssp.fi) |
| 15:53.10 | Shirik|AFK | That's how you figure out how badly I will own you in a duel |
| 15:53.11 | Intangir | !vs us Mug'thol Intangir us Lightbringer Traxia |
| 15:53.11 | ThraeBot | Intangir: Intangir vs Traxia! It's a showdown! But wait! What's this?! Something random? Traxia wins by 6721406 TBRs! Wow, that's GOTTA hurt. |
| 15:53.19 | Intangir | oh weak |
| 15:53.33 | Intangir | !vs us Mug'thol Intangir us Lightbringer Traxia |
| 15:53.35 | ThraeBot | Intangir: I failed on the second listed character. You half-fail. |
| 15:53.39 | THECraZY | dont tell me you made an irc bot with armory data |
| 15:53.43 | Intangir | why isnt it working |
| 15:53.51 | Shirik|AFK | because you suck at the typing |
| 15:53.57 | Intangir | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:53.57 | |Jelly| | Because "You half-fail." |
| 15:54.05 | Shirik|AFK | !vs us Mug'thol Intangir us Lightbringer Traxia |
| 15:54.06 | ThraeBot | Shirik|AFK: I failed on the second listed character. You half-fail. |
| 15:54.10 | Shirik|AFK | huh |
| 15:54.16 | Intangir | !vs us Mug'thol Intangir us Medivh Dangle |
| 15:54.16 | ThraeBot | Sorry Intangir, you must wait 20 seconds before making another request. |
| 15:54.21 | Shirik|AFK | I think his random event never even checks before making it :P |
| 15:54.22 | Olison | :D |
| 15:54.28 | Intangir | !vs us Mug'thol Intangir us Medivh Dangle |
| 15:54.37 | |Jelly| | !c us lightbringer traxia |
| 15:54.38 | ThraeBot | |Jelly|: traxia is not the character you are looking for! |
| 15:54.41 | |Jelly| | ZING! |
| 15:54.53 | Shirik|AFK | !co us drenden kimina us burning legion jelly |
| 15:54.54 | ThraeBot | Shirik|AFK: Kimina vs Jelly! Two 70 priests compare their stat differences; Jelly ++258 +healing; Kimina ++0.60% dodge; Kimina ++47 +spelldmg; Jelly ++84 Armour; Jelly ++630 Mana; Kimina ++90 mana regen; Jelly ++18 resilience; Kimina ++55 mp5; Jelly has 3% more stats then Kimina. |
| 15:54.57 | Intangir | maybe its triaxia? i dont know |
| 15:55.03 | Shirik|AFK | heh |
| 15:55.14 | Shirik|AFK | Jelly totally should have won that |
| 15:55.18 | zenzelezz | there is no Traxia on Lightbringer |
| 15:55.21 | Intangir | !vs us Mug'thol Intangir us Medivh Dangle |
| 15:55.24 | ThraeBot | Intangir: Intangir vs Dangle! A L70 rogue and a L70 priest square off!; 23/0/38 vs 14/0/47; Dangle wins by 238 TBRs! |
| 15:55.32 | Intangir | laaaaaame ;) |
| 15:55.34 | Intangir | ive owned that guy hard |
| 15:55.48 | THECraZY | !vs us Stormrage Fardoche us Mug'thol Intangir |
| 15:55.52 | ThraeBot | THECraZY: Fardoche vs Intangir! A L70 shaman and a L70 rogue square off!; 0/5/56 vs 23/0/38; Fardoche wins by 470 TBRs! ***OWNED!*** |
| 15:55.58 | Intangir | noooooo |
| 15:56.00 | THECraZY | lmao |
| 15:56.02 | |Jelly| | !vs us burning legion lizzi us burning legion judela |
| 15:56.06 | Intangir | armory still shows me as naked |
| 15:56.07 | ThraeBot | |Jelly|: Lizzi vs Judela! A L40 warlock and a L40 rogue square off!; Judela wins by 83 TBRs! |
| 15:56.12 | Shirik|AFK | !@vs us drenden kimina us Mug'thol Intangir |
| 15:56.15 | Shirik|AFK | !vs us drenden kimina us Mug'thol Intangir |
| 15:56.17 | ThraeBot | Shirik|AFK: Kimina vs Intangir! A L70 priest and a L70 rogue square off!; 23/38/0 vs 23/0/38; Intangir wins by 317 TBRs! |
| 15:56.19 | Shirik|AFK | =( |
| 15:56.22 | Shirik|AFK | ok I'm putting on my pvp stuff |
| 15:56.23 | Intangir | stop fighting me im naked |
| 15:56.28 | Intangir | LOL you lost to a naked rogue? |
| 15:56.31 | THECraZY | !vs us Stormrage Fardoche us Stormrage Nuagegris |
| 15:56.34 | ThraeBot | THECraZY: Fardoche vs Nuagegris! A L70 shaman and a L70 rogue square off!; 0/5/56 vs 41/0/20; Fardoche wins by 569 TBRs! ***OWNED!*** |
| 15:56.52 | nevcairiel | the TBR calculations are _very_ articficial |
| 15:56.59 | Olison | Thrae: how does the TBRs work? do you only compare the spec or what? :o |
| 15:57.01 | Intangir | lol ;) |
| 15:57.02 | THECraZY | whats TBR ? |
| 15:57.02 | Intangir | still fnny |
| 15:57.03 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Gryphen (n=gryphon@71.216.187.10) |
| 15:57.06 | |Jelly| | ~tbr |
| 15:57.07 | purl | i guess tbr is ThraeBot Ratings -- a ThraeBot innovation. Working on a PvP-oriented weighted algorithm for what stats the Armoury currently has for your character, partially modified by build-type, it can be used to pit two characters in TBR vs TBR combat, and tries try to take into account which classes are fighting. (or "to be released") |
| 15:57.32 | THECraZY | oh man this is fun |
| 15:57.40 | Intangir | wish armory would update my charactr though |
| 15:57.41 | THECraZY | !vs us Stormrage Fardoche us Stormrage Borsek |
| 15:57.44 | Shirik|AFK | !c us drenden kimina |
| 15:57.44 | Intangir | then id have 100000000 TBR! |
| 15:57.45 | ThraeBot | THECraZY: Fardoche vs Borsek! A L70 shaman and a L70 warlock square off!; 0/5/56 vs 0/40/21; Fardoche wins by 321 TBRs! |
| 15:57.48 | ThraeBot | Shirik|AFK: Kimina, Level 70 Blood Elf Priest (23/38/0). 8641 HP; 9210 Mana; 379 mana regen; 131 mp5; 125 +spell dmg; 1056 +heal; 5.70% dodge; 27 resilience;[[ TBR: 960 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2fx6zd ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2pkb3p ][ Updated: Fri Sep 21 12:11:45 2007 EST ]] |
| 15:57.53 | Shirik|AFK | ok, updated |
| 15:58.02 | Shirik|AFK | !vs us drenden kimina us Mug'thol Intangir |
| 15:58.04 | ThraeBot | Shirik|AFK: Kimina vs Intangir! A L70 priest and a L70 rogue square off!; 23/38/0 vs 23/0/38; Intangir wins by 88 TBRs! |
| 15:58.04 | THECraZY | OH OWNED! he so deserves it |
| 15:58.06 | Shirik|AFK | bleh |
| 15:58.12 | Intangir | it updated? |
| 15:58.15 | Shirik|AFK | mine did |
| 15:58.18 | cncfanatics | yo peeps |
| 15:58.18 | Intangir | !c us Mug'thol Intangir |
| 15:58.19 | ThraeBot | Sorry Intangir, you must wait 77 seconds before making another request. |
| 15:58.21 | Intangir | bah |
| 15:58.34 | Shirik|AFK | !vs us drenden kimina us burning legion jelly |
| 15:58.35 | ThraeBot | Shirik|AFK: Kimina vs Jelly! Two 70 priests square off!; Kimina wins by 317 TBRs! |
| 15:58.37 | Shirik|AFK | wooosh |
| 15:58.43 | THECraZY | !vs us Stormrage Fardoche us Stormrage Kokorochin |
| 15:58.43 | ThraeBot | THECraZY: Fardoche vs Kokorochin! It's a showdown! But wait! What's this?! Something random? Fardoche's Mom calls him, interrupting the duel -- it's time for kindergarden! Forfeit! |
| 15:58.56 | THECraZY | huh? whats that |
| 15:59.07 | Intangir | LOL |
| 15:59.09 | cryogen | haha |
| 15:59.12 | Intangir | you looose |
| 15:59.19 | Intangir | !c us Mug'thol Intangir |
| 15:59.19 | ThraeBot | Sorry Intangir, you must wait 16 seconds before making another request. |
| 15:59.21 | THECraZY | to hell i lose |
| 15:59.43 | Intangir | !c us Mug'thol Intangir |
| 15:59.45 | ThraeBot | Intangir: Intangir, Level 70 Undead Rogue (23/0/38). 6084 HP; 673 AP; 12.62% melee crit; 10 melee hit; 8.17% dodge; 70 resilience; 10 shadow resist (+10);[[ TBR: 1061 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2gspj4 ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/33amuq ][ Updated: Thu Sep 20 14:42:43 2007 EST ]] |
| 15:59.52 | Intangir | ya im still naked |
| 16:00.05 | Intangir | i got more TBRs than some of you newbs while naked :0 |
| 16:00.12 | Shirik|AFK | Except you can't compare that directly |
| 16:00.22 | THECraZY | !c us Stormrage Fardoche |
| 16:00.23 | ThraeBot | THECraZY: Fardoche, Level 70 Tauren Shaman (0/5/56). 8514 HP; 9143 Mana; 128 mana regen; 27 mp5; 9839 Armour; 4.28% melee crit; 308 spell crit; 44 spell hit; 800 +spell dmg; 842 +heal; 43 nature dmg (843); 4.28% dodge; 5.00% block; 187 resilience; 10 nature resist (+10);[[ TBR: 1531 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2xkktn ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2subym ][ Updated: Fri Sep 21 12:09:49 2007 EST ]] |
| 16:00.24 | Shirik|AFK | You can only compare between the same classes |
| 16:00.30 | Intangir | wonder how much it weights warriors vs rogues ;) |
| 16:00.40 | Intangir | warriors dominate rogues ;( certain specs at least |
| 16:01.06 | THECraZY | oh warriors... i so hate them |
| 16:01.11 | Shirik|AFK | LOL |
| 16:01.13 | Shirik|AFK | that's not naked |
| 16:01.13 | THECraZY | i so hate blizz for making them what they are now |
| 16:01.20 | Shirik|AFK | that's like "I'll take off all my armor but put on my pvp rings" |
| 16:01.26 | Intangir | Shirik|AFK: no durability stuff on |
| 16:01.38 | Intangir | no armor damage if i die |
| 16:02.26 | THECraZY | Blizz developer: Hey guys ive got an idea, lets give warriors kick ass dps on top of their plate and MS.... CM: Oh ok good idea |
| 16:02.30 | THECraZY | whatever |
| 16:02.44 | Intangir | lol |
| 16:02.51 | Intangir | ya warriors are OP |
| 16:02.53 | Intangir | so are paladins |
| 16:02.58 | Intangir | and frost mages are just annoying |
| 16:03.17 | Intangir | maybe reasonable though |
| 16:03.28 | THECraZY | well warriors shouldnt out dps a rogue if you ask me... the whole plate vs leather for a rogue is the whole point |
| 16:03.33 | Intangir | most difficult class for a rogue is vs warrior |
| 16:03.39 | Intangir | ya |
| 16:03.44 | Intangir | they can out DPS a rogue |
| 16:03.45 | THECraZY | paladins... the problem with them is their damn bubble and bottomless mana pit |
| 16:04.00 | Shirik|AFK | paladins are fairly easy |
| 16:04.03 | Intangir | ya paladins can keep someone up with "no mana" |
| 16:04.06 | Shirik|AFK | mass dispel corrects all their problems |
| 16:04.08 | THECraZY | if they couldnt heal out of their bubble the problem would be fixed |
| 16:04.23 | cncfanatics | what would the use of paladins be then ? |
| 16:04.24 | Intangir | when they nerf procs i am going to dominate alot better ;) |
| 16:04.30 | Intangir | nerd mace stun procs |
| 16:04.41 | cncfanatics | THECraZY, what the fuck wld a pala do if he cldnt heal from his bubble ? dance ? |
| 16:04.51 | Intangir | heal himself |
| 16:04.51 | THECraZY | ya well tell me why my earthsield gets to be dispelled by almost everyclass (and its a 41 point talent mind you) and their trainable bubble can only be removed by priests and makes the IMMUNE to top it off |
| 16:05.13 | THECraZY | cncfanatics: heal himself and survive like a mage does with iceblock |
| 16:05.22 | cncfanatics | THECRazy, now thats usefull aint it ? |
| 16:05.26 | Shirik|AFK | unfortunately, lately I've been encountering paladins that are stacking arcane resist |
| 16:05.31 | cncfanatics | ur healer is gonna heal HIMSELF while OTHERS are taking a beating |
| 16:05.40 | cncfanatics | THECraZY, thats crap |
| 16:05.46 | Intangir | paladins are crap |
| 16:05.51 | THECraZY | well i never heard a mage complain about iceblock lol |
| 16:06.00 | cncfanatics | iceblock & bubble have nothing to do with eachother |
| 16:06.05 | cncfanatics | they're two totaly different things lol |
| 16:06.10 | Intangir | they are very similar |
| 16:06.10 | THECraZY | indeed |
| 16:06.13 | Intangir | complete immunity |
| 16:06.17 | Intangir | need to be mass dispelled |
| 16:06.21 | cncfanatics | mage - will not heal himself, waits to be healed |
| 16:06.22 | Intangir | last a long time |
| 16:06.24 | cncfanatics | paladin - heals OTHERS |
| 16:06.32 | THECraZY | well at least it should be dispelable by more than 1 class |
| 16:06.36 | cncfanatics | the mage can be healed from his iceblock, thus it serves its function, |
| 16:06.38 | Intangir | except a paladin can heal, anyone, and MOVE |
| 16:06.41 | Intangir | a mage cant do shit |
| 16:06.50 | cncfanatics | lol, ur both talking uter crap :p |
| 16:06.58 | Intangir | paladins are overpowered right now |
| 16:07.00 | cncfanatics | l2get ur priest to mana burn that pala to uselessness |
| 16:07.02 | THECraZY | ok ok then reverse it a paladin can only heal ppl that are outside his bubble then |
| 16:07.09 | Shirik|AFK | cncfanatics: That's irrelevant |
| 16:07.11 | Intangir | every 5v5 team in the top like 1000 has a warrior and a paladin |
| 16:07.18 | Shirik|AFK | a paladin can heal forever with zero mana |
| 16:07.21 | Intangir | no druids |
| 16:07.24 | THECraZY | right now its a heal fest everytime they pop it |
| 16:07.24 | Intangir | very few rogues |
| 16:07.28 | Intangir | no hunters |
| 16:07.34 | cncfanatics | Shirik|AFK, no he can't, only if u do uter crap dmg he only has to FoL |
| 16:07.49 | cncfanatics | in 5v5, I doubt a LOT that u'll do low enough dmg that FoL keeps his party up |
| 16:07.59 | Shirik|AFK | Who said anything about 5v5 |
| 16:08.00 | Intangir | ya ive seen paladins regen enough mana to heal their team |
| 16:08.00 | Shirik|AFK | other than you |
| 16:08.15 | cncfanatics | ur all complaining about arena right ? |
| 16:08.21 | Intangir | ya |
| 16:08.22 | Shirik|AFK | and arena is MORE than just 5v5 |
| 16:08.23 | Intangir | nerf paladins |
| 16:08.24 | cncfanatics | so why would u not be talking about the most earning arena branch ? |
| 16:08.29 | Shirik|AFK | because I hate 5v5 |
| 16:08.42 | Intangir | rogues barely have a place in 5v5 |
| 16:08.44 | Intangir | thats my gripe ;) |
| 16:08.47 | Shirik|AFK | Despite what some people think |
| 16:08.48 | THECraZY | Ive so often seen fights were we healed for a similar amount and i went through all my mana + mana tide and that sucker is still at 75% mana |
| 16:08.51 | Intangir | paladin/warrior combos shouldnt be god of 5v5 |
| 16:08.51 | Shirik|AFK | I like to play the game for fun |
| 16:08.53 | Shirik|AFK | not to get purples |
| 16:09.00 | Shirik|AFK | I don't care what is the most points |
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| 16:09.23 | Intangir | THECraZY: ya ive seen that all the time you |
| 16:09.34 | Intangir | too i mean |
| 16:09.43 | THECraZY | Intangir: ya it makes me mad everytime lol |
| 16:09.44 | cncfanatics | well, coming from an ex-pala, ur talking crap and don't know how to handle a pala decently :p |
| 16:09.47 | Intangir | priests seem to go thru mana the fastest |
| 16:09.53 | Intangir | paladins the slowest |
| 16:09.55 | Shirik|AFK | cncfanatics: Was that directed at me? |
| 16:10.09 | Shirik|AFK | Because I would also like to point out that I was the one who said paladins are cake |
| 16:10.12 | cncfanatics | to all of ya |
| 16:10.19 | cncfanatics | to the complainers at least :p |
| 16:10.26 | Intangir | a very skilled paladin is insanely effective |
| 16:10.26 | Shirik|AFK | 14(1211:0211:0814) 14(11Shirik|AFK14) paladins are fairly easy |
| 16:10.37 | THECraZY | ok well if you know how to own a paladin were ready to read |
| 16:10.47 | cncfanatics | THECraZY, class ? |
| 16:10.47 | Shirik|AFK | we've already gone over exactly how |
| 16:10.52 | Intangir | #1 collect underpants |
| 16:10.54 | Shirik|AFK | !c us drenden kimina |
| 16:10.54 | Intangir | #2 ??? |
| 16:10.55 | ThraeBot | Shirik|AFK: Kimina, Level 70 Blood Elf Priest (23/38/0). 8641 HP; 9210 Mana; 379 mana regen; 131 mp5; 125 +spell dmg; 1056 +heal; 5.70% dodge; 27 resilience;[[ TBR: 960 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2fx6zd ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2pkb3p ][ Updated: Fri Sep 21 12:11:45 2007 EST ]] |
| 16:10.58 | Shirik|AFK | The class helps |
| 16:11.09 | cncfanatics | a mage and the pala is useless if ur mage knows how to play |
| 16:11.18 | cncfanatics | a CS at a crucial heal and there's a dead party members, making it 4v5 |
| 16:11.19 | THECraZY | Well... lets say Resto Shaman w/ Rogue VS Holy Paladin w/Warrior |
| 16:11.30 | Shirik|AFK | We play me and a mage vs pally and whatever |
| 16:11.38 | Shirik|AFK | and it's pretty much cake |
| 16:11.51 | Shirik|AFK | counterspell, arcane torrent, and when he finally does get the bubble off, just dispel it |
| 16:12.11 | cncfanatics | THECraZY, resto / shammy rogue is quite a weak combo imo for arena |
| 16:12.18 | THECraZY | Shirik|AFK: ya your a priest right, thats good |
| 16:12.26 | Intangir | im a rogue all i can really do is try to kill his teammate thru the heals, and CC him enough to make him miss a bunch of heals |
| 16:12.32 | Intangir | if he bubbles early. its good and bad... |
| 16:12.34 | cncfanatics | THECraZY: I want my class to be effective against all classes, if i'm not they're OP |
| 16:13.00 | THECraZY | Wow cncfanatics are you here just create conflict? |
| 16:13.14 | zenzelezz | MMOs don't balance for 1 vs. 1 |
| 16:13.21 | Intangir | rogues used to dominate 1v1 ;) |
| 16:13.28 | Intangir | the only class we had a hard time with at 60 was hunters |
| 16:13.34 | Intangir | now hunters are very easy |
| 16:13.35 | cncfanatics | THECraZY, bored of ppl complaining about balance mainly :p |
| 16:13.37 | |Jelly| | I like rogues on my prot paladin. : / |
| 16:13.40 | Intangir | warriors are unstoppable black holes |
| 16:13.45 | Intangir | mages are hard as hell to catch/kill |
| 16:13.49 | Intangir | but we can at least escape |
| 16:14.04 | THECraZY | well howl at the moon then dont get it personal the first chance you get |
| 16:14.36 | Intangir | brb |
| 16:14.43 | Intangir | btw your all newbs, nerf your classes! NERF NERF NERF! |
| 16:14.44 | Intangir | brb |
| 16:14.55 | THECraZY | lol |
| 16:15.29 | cncfanatics | THECraZY, i'm a bit pissed atm too, u shld forgive me for that |
| 16:15.43 | THECraZY | cncfanatics: allright, done |
| 16:16.04 | cncfanatics | ty :) |
| 16:16.07 | Shirik|AFK | Intangir: Hunters were always easy because 90% of the class doesn't know how to play |
| 16:16.08 | THECraZY | Put simply warriors or paladins by themselves are not the problem |
| 16:16.17 | cncfanatics | ~seen Cyrez |
| 16:16.20 | purl | cyrez is currently on #wowace (11h 41m 50s), last said: 'I'm loving the new config UI.'. |
| 16:16.20 | THECraZY | the problem is when they are teamed up together they are unstopable |
| 16:16.35 | cncfanatics | THECraZY, paladin support skills are getting nerfed heavily next patch |
| 16:17.16 | Shirik|AFK | which "next patch" ? |
| 16:17.16 | cncfanatics | 2.2 |
| 16:17.16 | cncfanatics | next wednesday here in europe |
| 16:17.16 | THECraZY | well that should help |
| 16:17.16 | cncfanatics | whats the nerf again ? BoSacrifice & BoFreedom I think |
| 16:17.23 | THECraZY | the thing i dont get is that damn mana pool, explain that to me you guys never go down |
| 16:17.38 | |Jelly| | 60% return on crits. |
| 16:17.45 | |Jelly| | high crit rate |
| 16:17.46 | THECraZY | its frustrating, on a endurance fight its impossible outlast a paladin's mana pool |
| 16:17.53 | |Jelly| | low mana cost to begin with |
| 16:18.04 | THECraZY | AH... i see |
| 16:18.52 | THECraZY | well forget whatever i said about the paladin bubble... that 60% return THATS the problem |
| 16:19.14 | Intangir | Shirik|AFK: ya but if they did, they were impossible for a rogue |
| 16:19.16 | Shirik|AFK | NOOOOOO |
| 16:19.19 | Shirik|AFK | "Items that are indicated as quest items in their tooltips and have a "use" or "equip" ability will not work in PvP arenas. " |
| 16:19.28 | Intangir | Shirik|AFK: if you beat a hunter, as a rogue, at 60, its cause the hunter screwedup |
| 16:19.31 | Shirik|AFK | I loved putting down my Archmage Vorgoth in an arnea |
| 16:19.32 | Shirik|AFK | arena |
| 16:19.38 | Kaydeethree | Shirik|AFK, so no archmage vargoth for you |
| 16:19.40 | Shirik|AFK | Vargoth* |
| 16:19.40 | Kaydeethree | hah |
| 16:19.43 | THECraZY | wow... i whish i had that similar talent moved form the ele tree to resto |
| 16:20.37 | Intangir | Shirik|AFK: are the patch notes done? |
| 16:20.40 | Intangir | like 100% decided? |
| 16:20.44 | Shirik|AFK | unlikely |
| 16:21.27 | THECraZY | Shirik|AFK waht does that affect? (the quest item thing) anything you were using in particular? |
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| 16:22.08 | Shirik|AFK | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28455 |
| 16:23.04 | THECraZY | Oh a decoy |
| 16:23.07 | THECraZY | ;) |
| 16:23.11 | Shirik|AFK | not really |
| 16:23.19 | Shirik|AFK | he just sits there :P |
| 16:23.21 | Kaydeethree | you summon him for moral support |
| 16:23.54 | THECraZY | hehe ya but some of your opponents can wonder why the hell theres 3 ppl on your side for a second or two |
| 16:25.13 | THECraZY | when is started the arena i used Barov Peasant Caller it made a few ppl panic in 2v2 ;) |
| 16:25.20 | THECraZY | *when I |
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| 16:26.36 | THECraZY | allright I gotta go catch some sleep, cya guys and thx for the chat |
| 16:26.59 | |Jelly| | I miss speechify like a buccaneer day. <-- roflamo <3 this translator |
| 16:39.49 | art3mis | wheeeeeeeee |
| 16:40.54 | art3mis | gonna go see RE3 tonight |
| 16:41.01 | art3mis | that should be some good mindless fu |
| 16:43.33 | zenzelezz | what's the name of that one? |
| 16:43.49 | art3mis | exstinction |
| 16:43.54 | art3mis | -s |
| 16:44.08 | MentalPower|Work | its bad |
| 16:44.10 | MentalPower|Work | really bad |
| 16:44.18 | MentalPower|Work | as in a waste of time |
| 16:44.19 | art3mis | yeah i kind of already assume that |
| 16:45.04 | art3mis | http://www.ny1.com/ny1/content/index.jsp?stid=1&aid=73862 <-- woo go new york! |
| 16:46.01 | Lopeppeppy | Occasionally we can do something right up here... |
| 16:46.49 | art3mis | is there naked milla in it? |
| 16:47.30 | zenzelezz | if you want naked people just watch porn like everyone else |
| 16:48.11 | art3mis | but the porn zombie movies dont have ass kicking fight scenes |
| 16:48.27 | zenzelezz | if you want naked zombies go Scholomance |
| 16:48.28 | Lopeppeppy | They have...... nevermind. |
| 16:48.51 | art3mis | btw the "horror porn" movies are hilarious |
| 16:49.03 | zenzelezz | wouldn't know, not my kind |
| 16:49.17 | art3mis | its like the old campy 80s horror movies |
| 16:49.24 | art3mis | only instead of just boobs.... |
| 16:50.43 | Lopeppeppy | Hmm.... interesting discussion on class composition/balance in raids.... I love being a hybrid-class officer and debating points, it's hilarious. |
| 16:52.46 | art3mis | i swear "it's beta software" is the worst cop out in the entire world for why something is broken |
| 16:54.18 | |Jelly| | Referring to the Rock "controversy" ? |
| 16:54.20 | zenzelezz | I think that depends entirely on what software you're talking about. If it's not a release version then you generally shouldn't be complaining |
| 16:54.32 | art3mis | |Jelly|: sorta |
| 16:54.44 | Lopeppeppy | Beta release has valuable use for testing and bug-finding -- nobody breaks code better than a script-kiddie. But it's gotten to be a bit too widespread, to release software before it's ready/fully tested/etc. Catch-22. |
| 16:55.09 | art3mis | there are far too many people that believe that everything off of the wowace site is beta, and as such you shouldt bitch and expect bugs. |
| 16:55.44 | MentalPower|Work | well, that status you created yourselves |
| 16:55.45 | art3mis | particularly when the arguement has nothing to do with said development stage ;P |
| 16:56.06 | MentalPower|Work | especially with files.wowace.com |
| 16:56.32 | art3mis | if its zipped and i dont have to check it out it's not a beta ;) |
| 16:56.45 | MentalPower|Work | feeds directly from your SVN |
| 16:56.55 | art3mis | not mine, but moot point |
| 16:57.13 | art3mis | which reminds me |
| 16:57.13 | zenzelezz | doesn't matter how you define it, if the developers have a different name for it |
| 16:57.26 | zenzelezz | some people use "beta" as an excuse label, unfortunately, but many don't |
| 16:57.46 | art3mis | im gonna need to find new replacements for all of ckk's addons like cart and possibly parrot and fubar, any ideas? |
| 16:58.26 | art3mis | zenzelezz: well 90% of #wa thinks that way and it bugs me to no end... |
| 16:58.45 | zenzelezz | why do you need to replace those? |
| 16:59.16 | art3mis | he's switching them to rock |
| 16:59.26 | art3mis | i dont need more libs |
| 16:59.26 | MentalPower|Work | what is rock? |
| 16:59.34 | art3mis | particularly duplicate libs |
| 16:59.35 | zenzelezz | I was just about to ask |
| 16:59.37 | Kaydeethree | one of the three forks of ace2 |
| 16:59.39 | MentalPower|Work | lol |
| 16:59.45 | MentalPower|Work | wait what? |
| 16:59.49 | MentalPower|Work | three forks? |
| 16:59.53 | |Jelly| | Lack of drop down is my biggest bitch. It made tweaking on the fly possible. Granted, I'll probably stick with it regardless because I know the addons, it's still an annoyance that a lot of people are going to stop using said addons over. |
| 16:59.54 | art3mis | go read the forums |
| 17:00.00 | Kaydeethree | there's ace3, rock and something else iirc |
| 17:00.02 | MentalPower|Work | link? |
| 17:00.06 | art3mis | we're not supposed to talk or debate about it in here ;P |
| 17:00.12 | Cidan|Laptop | Joker |
| 17:00.13 | art3mis | www.omgphatloots.com |
| 17:00.22 | Punkie` | joker is rock.. :P |
| 17:00.23 | art3mis | that explains most of it |
| 17:00.37 | Lopeppeppy | Oh dear.... so where do I go to learn about it, art3mis? Feel free to PM me personally if necessary. |
| 17:00.42 | Kemayo | And "fork" really isn't the word. |
| 17:00.54 | Punkie` | true Kemayo |
| 17:01.15 | art3mis | Lopeppeppy: the omgphatloots link has links to most of the talks and stuff |
| 17:01.34 | Lopeppeppy | I think the link was supposed to be this though? http://www.omgphatloots.org/ |
| 17:01.36 | Kemayo | MentalPower|Work: http://www.wowace.com/wiki/Rock |
| 17:01.41 | art3mis | yeh |
| 17:01.48 | art3mis | sorry i never rememeber the .ext |
| 17:01.49 | zenzelezz | does it now art3mis? Just a search site for me |
| 17:02.16 | art3mis | zenzelezz: its org not com ;P |
| 17:03.17 | art3mis | the thing that bugs me(as in i dont quite understand) is if they forked and ckk's going his way with it why is kael still hosting the project thats counter/parallel his own and footing the bill for the traffic o patch days etc. |
| 17:03.27 | art3mis | err "forked" |
| 17:04.28 | Kemayo | It has long been the position of wowace that you don't need to be an ace project to use the svn. |
| 17:04.39 | art3mis | oh |
| 17:04.46 | Punkie` | indeed |
| 17:04.49 | art3mis | okies |
| 17:05.04 | art3mis | gonna have to make some distinction at some point then |
| 17:05.14 | Punkie` | however, it does bug me that a lot of the #wowace channel is spammed full of rock errors :P |
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| 17:07.02 | Cairenn | it isn't that it can't be talked about in here, it's that I ask that people keep their tempers about it in here |
| 17:07.22 | art3mis | cairenn: simplest avoidance is to say "dont talk" ;) |
| 17:08.44 | Punkie` | the problem is people get overpassionate about things :) |
| 17:10.30 | Cairenn | discuss it all you want, just keep it civil as always |
| 17:11.24 | art3mis | the thing that would have made the most sense to me anyways is to take the addons that use the new frame work, tag them obviously "rock" or "Ace3" or "whateverelse" in a visable manner for the updater to show the user what to expect. and then have a "dual" version. |
| 17:11.34 | art3mis | even if the original version falls into disrepair |
| 17:13.43 | Punkie` | No, not at all |
| 17:13.53 | art3mis | how so? |
| 17:14.00 | Punkie` | That creates 'fanboism' :) |
| 17:14.15 | Punkie` | Oh no, this addon isn't tagged as rock/ace/framework so it sucks |
| 17:14.19 | art3mis | if it's all "beta" software one would like to know that it's actually completely different "beta" software |
| 17:14.20 | Cairenn | like that doesn't already exist? |
| 17:14.40 | Punkie` | btw, I can't see some images on wowi website :/ |
| 17:14.55 | Punkie` | like the logo, for one :) |
| 17:15.13 | Cairenn | post details in the bug forum, please? ex: what browser, what images, etc |
| 17:15.32 | Punkie` | art3mis: If you are a developer, it's easy enough to find that information out anyway.. without it being tagged :) |
| 17:15.51 | art3mis | i mean how happy would you be to update windows media player to find outt hat they changed the underlying structure of it that used new libs and was actually MS-java based and had to download and install a whole new set of libs for you that didnt work 100% like the previous version did, withuot any notification that it was changing |
| 17:15.56 | Cairenn | if you are running noscript or adblocker or greasemonkey script, etc |
| 17:16.06 | Punkie` | Cairenn: I believe there is something wrong with 'fs2.wowi' |
| 17:16.20 | Kemayo | art3mis: So long as it all worked without me having to do anything special, 's cool. |
| 17:16.52 | zenzelezz | Punkie`: images from that one load fine for me |
| 17:17.15 | Punkie` | art3mis: Personally, if the major was updated nicely, say 'Cartographer2' I'd be more than happy |
| 17:17.17 | art3mis | kemayo: and if it didnt? |
| 17:17.27 | art3mis | oh yeah |
| 17:17.34 | art3mis | i dont care WHAT the nam,ing convetion is |
| 17:17.43 | art3mis | just that it's o0bvious that there are 2 versions |
| 17:17.57 | art3mis | or however many |
| 17:18.15 | art3mis | i havent WAU'd anything recently cuz im not sure all whats gonna break |
| 17:18.25 | art3mis | but co e tuesday i wont have much of a choice |
| 17:19.20 | Kemayo | For what it's worth, I really didn't have any problems updating, and the initial swathe of Things Ckknight Got Wrong seem to have gone away. |
| 17:19.34 | ckknight | *thumbs up* |
| 17:19.51 | zenzelezz | I still give f' all what my addons use as long as they work |
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| 17:20.24 | Kemayo | Thus I would assume that if you update now then so long as you're using a semi-decent updater you won't notice any trouble. |
| 17:20.39 | Lopeppeppy | I'm looking for tank resist gear pointers for Hydross... anyone got a few minutes to have their brain picked clear? |
| 17:21.24 | Punkie` | sure, what's up Lopeppeppy? |
| 17:22.04 | zenzelezz | ask in the channel, you know that peppy |
| 17:22.26 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, but sometimes private PMs are more funnerer. |
| 17:22.35 | art3mis | perv |
| 17:22.36 | zenzelezz | what about non-private PMs? |
| 17:22.46 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr? |
| 17:23.05 | zenzelezz | you know, pun on private private message |
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| 17:23.29 | Lopeppeppy | Anyway... define "full nature resist" and "full frost resist" ? I can find solid numbers for the half-half tanks, but not a target number for a full resist tank for Hydross. |
| 17:23.38 | zenzelezz | for who, main tank or offtanks? |
| 17:24.16 | art3mis | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:24.18 | zenzelezz | main tanks should stay uncrittable, other than that they can pop as much resist as they can fit. I just use the three epic pieces (with resist enchants) and the blue ring |
| 17:24.23 | art3mis | ^--- non private PM ;P |
| 17:25.30 | zenzelezz | offtanks should, in my experience, get as much resist as they can, while being about 50-50 nature/frost. The more they have the better they survive. Just make sure all (active) tanks have a relevant aura while tanking |
| 17:25.31 | Lopeppeppy | I believe my pally tank will start as off-tank... I find 120-150 recommended for the half-half tanks. Does that mean a full-resist tank would want 300? |
| 17:26.07 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: MTs should have as much as they can while being uncrittable, but many only use the epic pieces |
| 17:27.13 | zenzelezz | arr, need to head off for the store for a moment... but if you want to discuss the encounter more feel free to poke me in ~30 (or any other time) |
| 17:27.16 | Lopeppeppy | Iceguard is so pretty looking, but seems a waste for my OT. The warrior MT might invest in it.... bah. |
| 17:30.37 | Lopeppeppy | I should make the darned raid leaders look this crud up and tell me what they want, not vice versa. *laugh* Y'all are very patient, thanks! |
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| 17:57.08 | Shirik | haha |
| 17:57.15 | Shirik | so I'm reading this milk bottle |
| 17:57.37 | Shirik | and at the top it says in red letters "Vitamin D added. From Cows not treated with rbST (Artificial Hormone)*" (note the asterisk) |
| 17:58.11 | Lopeppeppy | So... what *were* they treated with, listed down under the ** ? |
| 17:58.15 | Shirik | So I go looking for the footnote. In tiny print after 5 minutes, I finally found it. "The FDA has stated that no significant difference has been shown between milk derived from nbST-treated and non-nbST-treated cows" |
| 17:58.26 | Shirik | I love these marketing techniques |
| 17:59.02 | Shirik | The thing that really confuses me |
| 17:59.07 | Shirik | it's not like I had a choice what kind of milk to buy |
| 17:59.12 | Shirik | they only have one brand, their own |
| 17:59.40 | Shirik | why go through all the trouble? |
| 18:00.05 | Lopeppeppy | "Marketing" is the key word. |
| 18:00.27 | Shirik | they don't have competition! |
| 18:01.16 | Lopeppeppy | But they might, at some point, and so they set themselves up to deal with it right from the start. "Begin as you mean to go on" is the phrase that comes to mind. |
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| 18:01.54 | cog|work | Cide: Any chance you could give CT Viewport an option to fill the screen when UIParent is hidden and go back to its normal setting when shown? |
| 18:04.20 | Lunessa | cog - for zoning and cut scenes? |
| 18:04.46 | Lunessa | Or ALT-Z screenies? |
| 18:06.08 | cog|work | screenies |
| 18:06.21 | Cide | cog|work: that's not a bad idea |
| 18:09.34 | Lunessa | I dig it. |
| 18:09.47 | Gnarfoz | yeah, it's always a bit annoying to have screenshots with big black areas because wow captures the whole screen |
| 18:10.16 | Lunessa | Not that I'm using a viewport mod at this time, 'cause 1440x900 doesn't leave me much vertical space for one, but sweet. |
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| 18:38.22 | Polarina | Hurray! The advertisements are gone! :D |
| 18:38.37 | cncfanatics | any rogues around to answer some nub questions ? |
| 18:38.39 | Cairenn | ? |
| 18:38.47 | Lopeppeppy | I can try, cncfanatics. |
| 18:39.03 | Polarina | Cairenn: All the advertisements on wowinterface.com are gone. :D |
| 18:39.18 | cncfanatics | when to use SnD ? |
| 18:39.25 | cncfanatics | I'm lvl 18 and a bit confused about it |
| 18:39.27 | cncfanatics | (instance wise) |
| 18:39.27 | Lopeppeppy | Whenever it's available. |
| 18:40.12 | Cairenn | unless you are premium, they shouldn't be, but the data center was doing some work on our server and they seem to have messed stuff up |
| 18:40.18 | Lopeppeppy | If you're handy with your Feint button in case you run hot on Aggro, Slice and Dice increases your speed and damage output. It's too good a talent not to use every single second of every single day. Or at least nearly that often. :) |
| 18:40.36 | cncfanatics | Lopeppeppy, so, 1 combo point, SnD ? |
| 18:40.38 | cncfanatics | at start of fight that is |
| 18:40.45 | Lopeppeppy | Blade Flurry is the one that you have to watch yourself for aggro and yankin' off the tank, but you have a while to go. |
| 18:41.10 | cncfanatics | I'm lvl 18; not there yet :p |
| 18:41.11 | Polarina | Cairenn: Not a premium member, but I especially hate all the flash advertisements. I can however accept to the picture ones (GIF, PNG, JPG, etc.). |
| 18:41.17 | cncfanatics | basicly, get 1cb asap and put SnD up ? |
| 18:41.29 | Lopeppeppy | I tend to open with CS for 2 points, and SnD off that, then build for Rupture or Eviscerate. |
| 18:41.31 | Josh_Borke | i agree with cncfanatics |
| 18:41.44 | Cairenn | Polarina: I hate them too, but unfortunately we have to pay the bills somehow |
| 18:42.01 | Polarina | Cairenn: Change the Flash ones to GIFs? |
| 18:42.36 | Cairenn | we have an ad provider that Affinity contracts with, we don't have a whole lot of say ourselves |
| 18:42.58 | dreamss | ads are not that bad |
| 18:43.04 | Shirik | WOAH |
| 18:43.08 | Shirik | I just found this sick mp3 in the mpq files... |
| 18:43.18 | nevcairiel | which? |
| 18:43.20 | MentalPower|Work | whats wrong with flash-based ads? |
| 18:43.25 | nevcairiel | l70etc? |
| 18:43.26 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 18:43.35 | Shirik | sec |
| 18:43.43 | cncfanatics | seems I use up most of my cb with snd :o |
| 18:43.56 | Polarina | Cairenn: If I were you, I would start asking for some donation to get rid of the adds completely. I'm sure a lot of people would donate. Well, at least start a pledge. |
| 18:44.09 | Shirik | Sound\Music\ZoneMusic\DMF_L70ETC01.mp3 |
| 18:44.14 | Shirik | in patch-2.mpq |
| 18:44.17 | nevcairiel | yeah, that rocks :) |
| 18:44.23 | MentalPower|Work | Polarina: they tried that before, it did not work |
| 18:44.37 | Cairenn | or they can just get a premium membership, it's all of like $3 a month, and gives them premium on all our sites, plus on Allakahzam |
| 18:44.39 | cog|work | Shirik: that was for when they had L70ETC performing outside of Shattrath :) |
| 18:44.39 | Kaydeethree | elite tauren chieftain. the show's pretty interesting for what they can pull-off in-game |
| 18:44.39 | dreamss | he kinda has donation system now :P |
| 18:44.39 | nevcairiel | Polarina: i got a premium account to remove the ads, my way to donate |
| 18:44.58 | cncfanatics | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:45.09 | Wobin_ | aw |
| 18:45.12 | Wobin_ | I missed that show |
| 18:45.16 | Shirik | any idea how I can get it to play in game? |
| 18:45.19 | Shirik | I tried /script PlaySoundFile("\\Sound\\Music\\ZoneMusic\\DMF_L70ETC01.mp3") |
| 18:45.29 | cog|work | Take off the leading \\ |
| 18:45.33 | Kaydeethree | ^ |
| 18:45.40 | Shirik | bleh |
| 18:45.42 | Shirik | thanks |
| 18:45.45 | Polarina | nevcairiel: I'm talking about to get rid of all that. Everyone can donate. :) |
| 18:45.49 | Lopeppeppy | I didn't put points into Eviscerate, so I don't use it much either. I tend to use Rupture to tag along with all the bleed effects my druid tank uses. Your preferred "finishing move" will vary according to your spec and gear and moon phase. |
| 18:45.52 | Polarina | Well, at least pledge. |
| 18:45.57 | nevcairiel | i think they play on every darkmoon faire now |
| 18:46.10 | Kaydeethree | nevcairiel, indeed |
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| 18:49.17 | |Jelly| | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1777960829&sid=1 KD3: He just said he can't be bothered to read the sticky. :\ |
| 18:49.58 | Cidan|Laptop2 | oh |
| 18:50.03 | Cidan|Laptop2 | Kaydeethree, laundry |
| 18:50.05 | Cidan|Laptop2 | :D |
| 18:52.45 | PProvost_ | Question: Can a player be in no more than 10 chat channels? |
| 18:52.54 | Lunessa | No. |
| 18:52.59 | foxlit | Yes. |
| 18:53.04 | PProvost_ | :S |
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| 18:53.12 | foxlit | "A player can be in no more than 10 chat channels" |
| 18:53.12 | Lunessa | Maybe. :P |
| 18:53.12 | Olison | noob question attacks: where are the UI errors logged? |
| 18:53.21 | foxlit | Olsion: they are not |
| 18:53.39 | foxlit | s/Olsi/Olis/ |
| 18:53.42 | Olison | that explains it :> |
| 18:54.06 | foxlit | Logs/FrameXML.log stores XML/TOC parse errors on addon startup, but runtime lua errors aren't logged |
| 18:54.46 | Olison | mmm ok :/ |
| 18:54.56 | Olison | but sure there is an addon for that, i guess? |
| 18:55.11 | PProvost_ | So foxlit, you are agreeing with my statement. 10 channels only. Does that mean that JoinChannelByName() when you are already in 10 channels will fail? |
| 18:55.18 | zenzelezz | doesn't !Swatter store the in-game errors? |
| 18:55.28 | foxlit | PProvost_: yes |
| 18:55.33 | PProvost_ | Cool |
| 18:55.40 | foxlit | I'm not sure if it will fail silently or raise an error |
| 18:56.25 | foxlit | zenzelezz: I presume it does in SVs. !Swatter isn't standard, though, and it's quite likely it isn't around. |
| 18:57.02 | zenzelezz | yeah, just thinking there was a way to log them if you wanted to |
| 18:57.21 | Lunessa | !Swatter comes with Auctioneer, and !bugsack is available on WoWace.com |
| 19:08.34 | cryogen | on a SecureStateHeader, what's the statemap-anchor attribute, and what does setting it to "0-10:$input" achieve? |
| 19:09.51 | foxlit | That's a bit complicated |
| 19:10.03 | foxlit | Suppose you have a child header to that header |
| 19:10.04 | cryogen | i figured it would be :) |
| 19:10.16 | foxlit | You can do childHeader:SetAttribute("exportstate", "anchor"); |
| 19:10.36 | foxlit | Which would, men the childHeader's state changes, raise an event for the parent header. |
| 19:10.53 | foxlit | The parent header would look at statemap-anchor to figure out how to translate the child's change of state to its own change of state |
| 19:11.19 | foxlit | In this case, if the child's new state is in the 0-10 range, the parent header will change to the same state as the child ($input) |
| 19:11.29 | TS|Skrom | WTB widescreen flat panel |
| 19:11.39 | TS|Skrom | suggestions around $200? |
| 19:12.06 | cryogen | ahha, that makes sense |
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| 19:12.30 | cryogen | so whenever you have a x-y in a state definition it means it applies to that range of states? |
| 19:12.45 | Polarina | Cairenn: The reason I hate flash advertisements is because I can't right click on them and select "Block images from <address>." in Firefox. :( |
| 19:12.55 | foxlit | cryogen: yes |
| 19:13.03 | cryogen | ok |
| 19:13.05 | foxlit | 0-10 is matches states 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 |
| 19:13.13 | cryogen | this voodoo is starting to make sense, slowly |
| 19:13.23 | cryogen | i might actually be able to start using it soon |
| 19:13.23 | foxlit | I'm not sure about what goes on with decimals, but I think people don't use them |
| 19:13.40 | foxlit | Polarina: the web hates you for blocking its advertising revenue, too :) |
| 19:13.53 | Polarina | foxlit: Nah. |
| 19:13.58 | foxlit | Okay, people using Linux, hands up |
| 19:14.47 | cryogen | foxlit: is there anywhere i can find a list of settable things? blizzard's code for example? |
| 19:15.00 | cryogen | SecureStateHeader.lua has some.. but by no means all |
| 19:15.05 | foxlit | FrameXML/SecureTemplates.lua FrameXML/SecureStateHeader.lua |
| 19:15.34 | foxlit | Polarina: could I get you to blindly compile and run jpeginfo on a file? |
| 19:15.46 | Polarina | foxlit: Sure. |
| 19:15.46 | Lunessa | TS|Skrom: I picked up a 19" Flat Panel widescreen monitor at CompUSA on clearance for about $200 - and i've been quite happy with it. |
| 19:15.47 | zenzelezz | <Polarina> Cairenn: The reason I hate flash advertisements is because I can't right click on them and select "Block images from <address>." in Firefox. :( <--- l2AdBlock |
| 19:16.27 | Cairenn | <--- l2DriveUsOutOfBusiness |
| 19:16.30 | foxlit | They're selling a 19'' LG Flatscreen for ~150$ starting monday around here |
| 19:16.41 | TS|Skrom | Lunessa there are no CompUSA's left in St. Louis :( |
| 19:16.48 | TS|Skrom | they pulled out the 4 stores that were here |
| 19:16.56 | foxlit | I don't block ads I don't find annoying. |
| 19:17.11 | foxlit | But I see no adds on wowinterface. Get better ads, Cairenn :) |
| 19:17.14 | foxlit | *ads |
| 19:17.15 | zenzelezz | it's not like it's a big secret how to stop flash ads |
| 19:17.30 | Lunessa | TS|Skrom: Same here, recently. But check the Best Buy "Open Item" bin, or if there's a MicroCenter near you... they have deals often too. |
| 19:18.54 | Polarina | What have Blizzard been watching? Tripple-6 movies? http://www.wowinsider.com/media/2007/09/ss22.jpg |
| 19:19.04 | foxlit | Polarina: http://www.kokkonen.net/tjko/src/jpeginfo-1.6.0.tar.gz |
| 19:19.38 | foxlit | (on http://vector.digifort.com/Hero_BloodElf.jpg) |
| 19:19.55 | Polarina | foxlit: Tell me the arcitecture you want it compiled for and binary format. ELF? |
| 19:21.07 | foxlit | Hm, I think that link actually contains an ELF binary |
| 19:21.07 | Polarina | foxlit: Oh.. Wait, I am supposed to execute it too? |
| 19:21.17 | foxlit | Yeah, hence the blindly part |
| 19:21.36 | foxlit | sec, there should be source somewhere :/ |
| 19:21.39 | Polarina | But why? |
| 19:21.50 | Kaydeethree | it's not giving me any kind of errors when I run it |
| 19:22.02 | Kaydeethree | ./jpeginfo -v Hero_BloodElf.jpg |
| 19:22.02 | Kaydeethree | Hero_BloodElf.jpg 256 x 256 32bit JFIF N 48026 |
| 19:22.33 | foxlit | Gah. |
| 19:22.33 | foxlit | That doesn't help :( |
| 19:22.34 | Kaydeethree | oh, wait |
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| 19:22.52 | Kaydeethree | Hero_BloodElf.jpg 256 x 256 32bit JFIF N 48026 Unsupported color conversion request [ERROR] |
| 19:22.58 | Kaydeethree | it's not telling me where the error is, though |
| 19:23.08 | Polarina | Hero_BloodElf.jpg 256 x 256 32bit JFIF N 48026 Unsupported color conversion request [ERROR] |
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| 19:24.19 | Polarina | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:24.21 | foxlit | Well, I suppose that's one better than Firefox's "The image “http://vector.digifort.com/Hero_BloodElf.jpg†cannot be displayed, because it contains errors." |
| 19:25.53 | buuyo | o.O pirate day was 2 days ago. Whats all this crazyness in teh topic =o |
| 19:26.08 | Kaydeethree | it hasn't gotten changed to something cooler |
| 19:26.28 | buuyo | ~_^ |
| 19:26.32 | Lunessa | What could be cooler than pirates? |
| 19:26.52 | MentalPower|Work | foxlit: IE7 won't open it either |
| 19:27.01 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa, ninjas |
| 19:27.09 | buuyo | not a whole lot, but you cant overdo pirates or they will be lame =3 |
| 19:27.14 | foxlit | But windows explorer will |
| 19:27.20 | buuyo | thats why we only have talk like a pirate day once a year xD |
| 19:27.26 | Lunessa | Ninjas, private eyes, super-spies and PIRATES. |
| 19:27.29 | Kaydeethree | I posted what the gimp saw, somewhere |
| 19:27.41 | TS|Skrom | what's the command to find the mx server of a domain? |
| 19:27.46 | TS|Skrom | nslookup ? |
| 19:27.48 | foxlit | nslookup --somethingorother |
| 19:27.59 | buuyo | dig in mx domain.com |
| 19:28.01 | buuyo | in linux anyway |
| 19:28.19 | TS|Skrom | oops found it, -d |
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| 19:38.50 | Shirik|AFK | Is there any way to tell when a song played with PlayMusic() ends? |
| 19:39.17 | TS|Skrom | I don't think there's any events if that's what you mean? |
| 19:39.28 | zenzelezz | I was tempted to say "the sound usually stops" |
| 19:39.34 | Shirik|AFK | ~lart zenzelezz |
| 19:39.34 | purl | cuts off zenzelezz's head with a halberd that could have been a little bit sharper |
| 19:39.40 | TS|Skrom | hehehe |
| 19:42.50 | foxlit | lua> string.char(65,66,67); |
| 19:42.50 | cladbot | foxlit: ABC, |
| 19:45.37 | foxlit | f = io.open(...); f:seek("set", 50); a = f:seek(); |
| 19:45.46 | foxlit | a == 50, assuming no unexpected enf of files? |
| 19:47.05 | foxlit | [Yes] |
| 19:47.40 | Shirik|AFK | ? |
| 19:58.31 | TS|Skrom | if I'm used to running 1280x1024 will I feel squished at 1440x900? |
| 19:58.45 | *** topic/#wowi-lounge by Cairenn -> #wowi-lounge: Paste Code Here: http://wowi.pastey.net | 2.1 ToC: 20100 | RTFPN please | dignity is for people with no friends and nothing to do - art3mis |
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| 20:03.39 | Polarina | This is hard. I have no idea what repository name I should use for my SVN server. 'polarina' might be OK or 'polie' (Polarina's Interface Enchantments), but the last two letters are annoying me 'couse the refeer to that buggy application that comes with the worst OS ever.. |
| 20:04.22 | zenzelezz | "polarity"? |
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| 20:04.42 | Polarina | zenzelezz: Thanks. |
| 20:05.25 | jellywerker | hello all |
| 20:05.30 | zenzelezz | ahoy |
| 20:05.31 | jellywerker | I'm looking for a bit of macro help |
| 20:05.35 | cncfanatics | Polarina: worst OS ever refers to vista right ? |
| 20:06.03 | jellywerker | I'dl ike to macro simpleminimap's alpha to a button, first click puts alpha to 100%, second puts it to 0%, and it toggles back and forth |
| 20:06.03 | Polarina | cncfantatics: Windows in general. But Vista is of course the worst. |
| 20:06.11 | jellywerker | linux ftw |
| 20:06.33 | Shirik | hai jellywerker |
| 20:06.34 | jellywerker | the alpha commands are simply /smm alpha 100 and /smm alpha 0 |
| 20:06.38 | Shirik | jellywerker != |Jelly| ? |
| 20:06.52 | |Jelly| | ~= |
| 20:06.55 | Shirik | != |
| 20:06.59 | zenzelezz | <> |
| 20:06.59 | |Jelly| | <3 |
| 20:07.12 | jellywerker | jellywerker =/= jelly |
| 20:07.13 | cog|work | actually, it can't be vista because ie6 is much worse than ie7 and came with XP :P |
| 20:07.38 | jellywerker | so any ideas on how to make such a macro? |
| 20:07.38 | |Jelly| | Gosh guys! Stop pinging me! I'm writing a MySpace blog and it's srrsbusnss! :P |
| 20:07.42 | zenzelezz | was it really IE6? Thought it was IE5 initially |
| 20:08.06 | zenzelezz | jellywerker: you mean you want a macro for each of those two commands? |
| 20:08.06 | |Jelly| | Shirik wrote a toggle hide/show macro the other day, get that + the name of SMM's frame imo and it should work. |
| 20:08.10 | Josh_Borke | |Jelly|: you didn't use vowels |
| 20:08.12 | jellywerker | who cares, while that stuff was out, I was living it up with some text mode elinks lovin! |
| 20:08.16 | cog|work | zenzelezz: 98 SE came with IE 5 |
| 20:08.17 | Josh_Borke | |Jelly|: are you afflicted by the vowel bug? |
| 20:08.41 | |Jelly| | There's a "u" in there. :\ |
| 20:08.59 | jellywerker | I'd like a macro that toggles the alpha between o and 100 |
| 20:09.11 | zenzelezz | ah, missed the first line |
| 20:09.16 | |Jelly| | = the same as :Hide() and :Show() imo |
| 20:09.20 | Shirik | macro: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1777869824&postId=17777505281&sid=1#3 |
| 20:09.28 | Thunder_Child | ~whalestab |Jelly| |
| 20:09.29 | purl | ACTION stabs |Jelly| with a rather narrow and pointy whale named Montgomery |
| 20:09.30 | Josh_Borke | |Jelly|: but it's different |
| 20:09.36 | |Jelly| | ~whaleparry Thunder_Child |
| 20:09.36 | purl | ACTION uses a slightly less-huge but eminently more agile killer whale named Edwardo to parry Thunder_Child's attacks. |
| 20:09.38 | jellywerker | ehh, i was hoping a macro made with smm's commands would be simpler |
| 20:09.59 | cog|work | ~fail Shirik |
| 20:10.00 | purl | Shirik: Fail. |
| 20:10.00 | |Jelly| | Yes, I know it's different but the effect would be the same and I'd be willing to bet it's less hassle writing too. |
| 20:10.07 | |Jelly| | ~lart cog|work |
| 20:10.07 | purl | whacks cog|work with a giant beaver's tail |
| 20:10.15 | jellywerker | I wouldn't know, that's my issue =P |
| 20:10.27 | jellywerker | enlighten me please |
| 20:10.41 | cog|work | ~never mind |
| 20:10.41 | purl | ok cog|work |
| 20:10.47 | TS|Skrom | how hard is this... |
| 20:10.51 | cog|work | ~unfail Shirik |
| 20:10.53 | TS|Skrom | Dell: Hello this is dell |
| 20:10.54 | |Jelly| | Pretty hard imo. |
| 20:11.07 | TS|Skrom | Me: Hi, I'd like to buy a monitor, but only if you have some kind of deferred interest plan atm |
| 20:11.21 | TS|Skrom | Dell: Okay let's ring you right up. Okay that'll be *total* will that be all? |
| 20:11.25 | |Jelly| | Make sure to tell them that you calibrated your flux capacitor to EXACTLY 1.21 jiggawatts. |
| 20:11.31 | TS|Skrom | Me: Wait a minute... can I get deferred interest? |
| 20:11.31 | Polarina | Hurray! I got my SVN server up and running. :) |
| 20:11.37 | TS|Skrom | Dell: No, only on TV's. |
| 20:11.44 | TS|Skrom | Me: ...... forget it, bye. |
| 20:11.45 | Josh_Borke | Polarina: hurray! |
| 20:12.12 | cog|work | every time I watch Back to the Future "jiggawats" bugs the flying fark out of me |
| 20:12.13 | |Jelly| | OH |
| 20:12.23 | |Jelly| | jelly-stolemynamepersontypething |
| 20:12.36 | |Jelly| | Look in the keybindings. You can make a keybind to show/hide SMM. ...I do it. lol |
| 20:13.07 | cog|work | |Jelly|: you stole first :P otherwise else you wouldn't need the pipes |
| 20:13.16 | |Jelly| | HUSH YOU |
| 20:13.17 | cog|work | s/else// |
| 20:13.31 | |Jelly| | I don't need this lip from a GNOME. |
| 20:13.44 | cog|work | and I should listen to a Belf? |
| 20:13.48 | zenzelezz | maybe |Jelly| just likes feeling like he's in a small room |
| 20:13.50 | |Jelly| | ...duh? |
| 20:13.55 | |Jelly| | x2 |
| 20:15.40 | TS|Skrom | belf |
| 20:15.40 | TS|Skrom | hehe |
| 20:15.48 | TS|Skrom | Sounds like digestion troubles |
| 20:16.07 | cog|work | it is... oh it is... |
| 20:16.08 | cog|work | :P |
| 20:16.20 | jellywerker | so anyone know how to make such a macro to toggle the alpha on smm? |
| 20:16.36 | cog|work | jellywerker: you were given an example macro that works on the chat frame... |
| 20:16.45 | cog|work | all you need to do is change the frame and the methods it calls |
| 20:16.52 | foxlit | lua> "Hi\0ss" |
| 20:16.52 | cladbot | foxlit: Hi |
| 20:16.56 | cog|work | :P |
| 20:17.18 | |Jelly| | [15:12]<|Jelly|>Look in the keybindings. You can make a keybind to show/hide SMM. ...I do it. lol |
| 20:17.25 | foxlit | lua> #("Hi\0ss"); |
| 20:17.26 | cladbot | foxlit: 5 |
| 20:18.03 | jellywerker | ah |
| 20:18.07 | Polarina | lua> #"Hi\0ss" |
| 20:18.07 | cladbot | Polarina: 5 |
| 20:18.14 | cog|work | jellywerker: what |Jelly| said... but if you still want a macro, you don't even need to change the method ... just the frame name |
| 20:18.21 | jellywerker | I see |
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| 20:19.25 | |Jelly| | My cell phone charger is far too elusive. *slanty eyes* I bet it's a gnome's doing too. Silly tinker..er..s. |
| 20:21.08 | foxlit | lua> ("A very\255not 0 evil string"):match("\255\0"); |
| 20:21.09 | cladbot | foxlit: ÿ, |
| 20:21.17 | foxlit | That poses a problem :( |
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| 20:22.48 | Shirik | foxlit: That's... interesting |
| 20:22.55 | TS|Skrom | try uses the malice library instead of the evil one |
| 20:23.09 | TS|Skrom | s/uses/using/ |
| 20:23.12 | Shirik | lua> return "A very\255not 0 evil string" |
| 20:23.13 | cladbot | Shirik: A veryÿnot 0 evil string |
| 20:23.13 | foxlit | I can't match the nullchar? |
| 20:23.25 | cog|work | foxlit: %z iirc |
| 20:23.47 | TS|Skrom | it seems to think that \255 is y |
| 20:24.08 | cog|work | TS|Skrom: not y... y with an umlaut |
| 20:24.25 | TS|Skrom | oh I thought that was dirt on my screen |
| 20:24.35 | cog|work | ha |
| 20:24.38 | TS|Skrom | but hey, y not! |
| 20:24.41 | TS|Skrom | :O |
| 20:25.16 | cog|work | foxlit: yeah... %z it is |
| 20:26.00 | cog|work | lua> ("A very\255not 0 evil string"):match("\255%z"); |
| 20:26.01 | cladbot | cog|work: nil, |
| 20:26.12 | Kaydeethree | well, according to unicode, ÿ is 0x00FF |
| 20:26.25 | cryogen | i have a frame.. it has a child SecureStateHeaderTemplate, which has child buttons, how do i get the buttons to display inside the main parent frame? |
| 20:26.28 | foxlit | unicode isn't interesting |
| 20:26.31 | Kaydeethree | so \255 is correct |
| 20:26.33 | cryogen | (they currently display in the top left of the screen) |
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| 20:26.47 | cog|work | Kaydeethree: that's not the issue... it's just something TS|Skrom brought up |
| 20:27.03 | foxlit | I suspect 128-255 in Lua is just whatever the upper ascii of the host is thinking it is |
| 20:27.20 | cog|work | Lua is 8-bit safe... it doesn't interpret them in any way |
| 20:27.35 | cog|work | it just passes it off as-is to the environment |
| 20:27.50 | cog|work | so Cairenn probably saw ? instead of y with an umlaut |
| 20:27.54 | cog|work | :P |
| 20:28.04 | Cairenn | indeed |
| 20:28.11 | Srosh | !c eu forscherliga agromal |
| 20:28.12 | ThraeBot | Srosh: agromal is not the character you are looking for! |
| 20:29.22 | foxlit | Hm |
| 20:29.23 | TS|Skrom | I saw dirt, I can sware eet |
| 20:29.40 | foxlit | ThraeBot has the same abuse issue as our luabots |
| 20:30.14 | foxlit | In that you can set up a continual dialogue between it and purl |
| 20:30.53 | TS|Skrom | *snicker* |
| 20:31.02 | Kaydeethree | isn't there a log somewhere of alice and another bot talking to each other for a while? |
| 20:31.24 | TS|Skrom | Hey what's going on? Oh not much just chillin' in my channels, you? Oh someone tossed me a botsnack earlier but other then that all I've done is lart people today. You? |
| 20:32.41 | foxlit | I think a bot-to-bot conversation would eventually degrade to how well they're able to interpret each other's "I don't have a clue of what you're talking about" generic responses |
| 20:35.04 | Kaydeethree | http://discovermagazine.com/2007/brain/i-chat-therefore-i-am |
| 20:37.39 | mikma | http://www.kuvaton.com/kuvei/rekku24.jpg |
| 20:37.43 | TS|Skrom | that is full of win Kaydeethree |
| 20:37.51 | cog|work | "yes, you do, you're a woman" |
| 20:38.10 | cog|work | fell in love with that quote back when the article first came out :) |
| 20:38.14 | Kaydeethree | ya |
| 20:38.55 | Kaydeethree | they parented to UIParent instead of your frame? |
| 20:38.57 | cog|work | you didn't setpoint them correctly |
| 20:38.59 | TS|Skrom | awwww |
| 20:39.02 | cog|work | or parent them correctly |
| 20:39.06 | TS|Skrom | what's the punchline to the blind skydiving joke? |
| 20:39.10 | cog|work | or both :P |
| 20:39.20 | cryogen | probably the latter due to my lack of understanding |
| 20:39.20 | Josh_Borke | TS|Skrom: didn't see it coming |
| 20:39.28 | cryogen | but here's what i did: |
| 20:39.43 | cryogen | main addon frame -> bar frame -> securestateheader frame -> button |
| 20:39.52 | cog|work | pastey code |
| 20:39.56 | cog|work | abstracts don't help :P |
| 20:40.06 | cryogen | sure |
| 20:40.12 | cryogen | but it will help :) |
| 20:40.20 | TS|Skrom | Jabberwocky's got a tude! |
| 20:40.33 | cog|work | cryogen: not really, since it's the details that cause those kinds of problems :P |
| 20:41.02 | cryogen | http://wowi.pastey.net/74184 is my button class |
| 20:41.09 | cryogen | i use the term loosely |
| 20:41.41 | cryogen | uh no thats the main file |
| 20:41.45 | cryogen | http://wowi.pastey.net/74185 is the button class |
| 20:41.46 | TS|Skrom | what.. button? |
| 20:41.48 | cryogen | xml incoming |
| 20:42.09 | TS|Skrom | I'm not sure why you'd use the term button loosely seems like a concrete idea ! |
| 20:42.31 | cog|work | ~shoo TS|Skrom |
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| 20:42.40 | cryogen | http://wowi.pastey.net/74186 xml |
| 20:43.21 | Shirik | cryogen!! EVIL |
| 20:43.25 | cryogen | TS|Skrom: "class" :) |
| 20:43.33 | TS|Skrom | Evil class! |
| 20:43.37 | Shirik | Lines 40-42 |
| 20:43.38 | TS|Skrom | aka warlock! :O |
| 20:43.43 | Shirik | Change "this" to "self" |
| 20:43.43 | cryogen | Shirik: of which? |
| 20:43.45 | Shirik | all three lines |
| 20:43.46 | Shirik | the XML |
| 20:44.06 | cog|work | cryogen: that won't fix your problem |
| 20:44.09 | cryogen | does it really matter or are you being a zealot? :p |
| 20:44.10 | cog|work | but it's a better practice |
| 20:44.15 | Shirik | It really matters |
| 20:44.20 | cog|work | cryogen: this is depricated |
| 20:44.25 | cog|work | deprecated? |
| 20:44.26 | cryogen | alright |
| 20:44.28 | cog|work | w/e |
| 20:44.28 | Shirik | deprecated :) |
| 20:44.37 | cryogen | as long as its not defacated |
| 20:44.39 | cog|work | ~lart vowels |
| 20:44.39 | purl | resizes vowels's terminal to 40x24 |
| 20:45.11 | TS|Skrom | http://www.legendmicro.com/store/4207_Samsung-20-in-205BW-LCD-Monitor-Open-Box-New-Condition-205BW.lmsp?OpenTreeBranches=&Category_ID=338 comments |
| 20:45.12 | TS|Skrom | ? |
| 20:45.20 | cog|work | cryogen: are you sure your header is being created in the correct location? |
| 20:45.32 | cryogen | cog|work: not amazingly, it's invisible :/ |
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| 20:45.39 | foxlit | TS|Skrom: 206BW |
| 20:45.52 | cog|work | 'cause it /looks/ like you're setting the button position correctly |
| 20:46.29 | cryogen | this all worked fine before i added the secure header layer in |
| 20:46.32 | foxlit | I actually have a silver 205BW next to me right now |
| 20:46.34 | TS|Skrom | foxlit what's the diff? |
| 20:46.37 | foxlit | Design |
| 20:46.43 | cryogen | ie: when the buttons were children of the bar frame, rather than the secure header |
| 20:46.44 | TS|Skrom | elaborate? |
| 20:46.45 | foxlit | Response time |
| 20:46.57 | TS|Skrom | okay, 'splain response time to me? |
| 20:47.20 | foxlit | http://www.benchmark.co.yu/tests/monitors/20/TFT/samsung_206bw/Samsung_206BW_7.JPG |
| 20:47.45 | cog|work | cryogen: why are you creating a new header for every single button and then making it self.header? |
| 20:47.55 | foxlit | TFT displays do not update pixels immediately upon the new one being received |
| 20:48.14 | foxlit | Instead, it takes time for the individual pixels to change colors - that is the response time of the LCD, more or less |
| 20:48.19 | cryogen | cog|work: the idea is that the header will drive some popup buttons off of the first button |
| 20:48.21 | TS|Skrom | oh I see |
| 20:48.32 | TS|Skrom | all I ever see is 4ms or 5ms.. is it that noticable? |
| 20:48.54 | foxlit | CRT avoids this problem by emitting electrons differently almost immediately, so that doesn't apply |
| 20:48.57 | TS|Skrom | sadly the 206bw is out of my price range from what I can see. |
| 20:49.00 | cog|work | cryogen: you should only need one state header for all the "child" buttons and use different showstates attributes to control when they're visible |
| 20:49.02 | foxlit | Nah, probably not. |
| 20:49.04 | cryogen | cog|work: at least that sounded good in my head.. |
| 20:49.26 | TS|Skrom | oh wait... |
| 20:49.37 | TS|Skrom | http://www.legendmicro.com/store/4697_Samsung-906BW-19-in-LCD-Monitor---Open-Box-906BW.lmsp?OpenTreeBranches=&Category_ID=338 |
| 20:49.41 | foxlit | And here is the 205: http://www.flatpanels.dk/billeder/cebit%202006/billede%20(68).jpg |
| 20:49.53 | TS|Skrom | a 906? |
| 20:49.59 | snurre | yay, france - ireland 25 - 3 :D |
| 20:50.02 | foxlit | I think the catch is that 906 has lower resultion |
| 20:50.17 | foxlit | 205/206/226 support 1600x1050 natively |
| 20:50.26 | foxlit | 906 only does 1440x900 |
| 20:50.37 | cryogen | cog|work: i do however like your idea better though, so.. state 0 would be all horizontal buttons showing, state one would be those plus the popup buttons hanging off horiz button 1 etc |
| 20:50.49 | TS|Skrom | ohh |
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| 20:51.46 | TS|Skrom | does that 205 look like an okay deal then? |
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| 20:52.02 | TS|Skrom | I was considering a 19inc with max of 1440x900 for like 20$ less |
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| 20:53.35 | cryogen | cog|work: rejigged it so that i now have 1 header which they all hang off, it doesnt change anything re button position though |
| 20:53.43 | cryogen | i didnt really expect it to however, but now it's a better design :) |
| 20:54.04 | foxlit | TS|Skrom: Hey, I bout one. |
| 20:54.06 | foxlit | *bought |
| 20:54.14 | TS|Skrom | point taken |
| 20:54.18 | cog|work | cryogen: i wasn't expecting it to, but it should definitely help performance :) |
| 20:54.29 | cryogen | cog|work: ah, i lie! it did fix it |
| 20:54.39 | cog|work | O.O |
| 20:54.46 | cog|work | well that works :) |
| 20:54.47 | foxlit | Given the choice today, though, I'd get the 226bw (more expensive, but also wider and in hotter black) |
| 20:54.50 | cryogen | unless rejigging it corrected some typo or something |
| 20:54.58 | TS|Skrom | hehe |
| 20:54.58 | cryogen | but now it works |
| 20:55.09 | TS|Skrom | trying to stay under $200 with taxes/shipping |
| 20:55.38 | TS|Skrom | I'm gonna miss it on the 205 but just barely |
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| 20:59.29 | mikma | Polarina: i think you're attentionwhore. how's that for comment xD |
| 20:59.46 | Polarina | mikma: The best comment so far. xD |
| 21:00.07 | mikma | lol |
| 21:02.31 | cryogen | cog|work: next annoying question, how do i make use of SecureAnchorEnterTemplate to attach a popup button to the first button but at an offset? |
| 21:02.51 | cryogen | (if thats too complicated to answer - a pointer to an example usage would be good) |
| 21:03.37 | cryogen | thanks! |
| 21:03.45 | Polarina | cryogen: You're welcome. |
| 21:03.48 | cog|work | cryogen: I've never actually used any of the anchor templates |
| 21:04.25 | cryogen | alrighty |
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| 21:07.08 | Polarina | Can I make a symlink in Interface/AddOns directory to point to a directory located elsewhere on the filesystem? |
| 21:07.21 | foxlit | Yes |
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| 21:07.27 | Polarina | And will it work? |
| 21:07.29 | foxlit | Yes |
| 21:07.40 | foxlit | You may want to do the same for WTF |
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| 21:10.05 | cryogen | cog|work: ha, sweet, got it :) thanks for the assistance (again1) |
| 21:10.08 | cryogen | s/1/!/ |
| 21:10.15 | cog|work | cryogen: np :) |
| 21:10.22 | cryogen | this gets easier every day |
| 21:11.58 | cryogen | if i set hidestates to "*" and showstates to "1" which takes presedence? |
| 21:12.11 | foxlit | showstates |
| 21:12.18 | cryogen | splendid! |
| 21:12.19 | foxlit | In fact |
| 21:12.22 | foxlit | If showstates is present |
| 21:12.28 | foxlit | I don't think hidestates gets consulted |
| 21:12.41 | cryogen | thats less splendid, since im in state 0 and showstates is 1 and they are all showing |
| 21:12.57 | foxlit | That's in TestChildVisibility in SecureStateHeader.lua |
| 21:13.42 | cryogen | so it is |
| 21:14.41 | foxlit | Hm, so there's nothing wrong with my JPEG structure |
| 21:14.44 | cryogen | so clearly i am not quite yet fully understanding how it works, because my popup's are showing when i think they shoudlnt be :) |
| 21:15.52 | foxlit | Which means that something about the JPEG data stream is annoying the parsers |
| 21:17.48 | cog|work | cryogen: if you give it a showstates then the rest are implied hidden |
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| 21:19.00 | cryogen | yah see that now |
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| 21:19.50 | cryogen | however, looking at some example i found on the wow forums, they use one header per anchor button |
| 21:20.14 | cog|work | isn't that what I was saying earlier? ;) |
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| 21:20.30 | zenzelezz | obviously not what he *thought* you were saying ;) |
| 21:20.30 | cryogen | is that not what my code did originally? |
| 21:20.33 | cryogen | or did i just get it wrong? |
| 21:21.00 | cog|work | you were creating one header for every button it looked like... or maybe i just assumed that about the code |
| 21:21.36 | cog|work | s/every button/every button, including all the child buttons,/ |
| 21:21.44 | cryogen | ah |
| 21:21.48 | cryogen | no i dont think i was doing that |
| 21:21.51 | cog|work | ok |
| 21:21.57 | cog|work | well hrm... |
| 21:22.07 | cog|work | you have the right idea now i think so i'll stop trying to confuse you :P |
| 21:22.14 | JoshBorke | ~lart cog|work |
| 21:22.14 | purl | puts cog|work through a wood chipper |
| 21:22.14 | cryogen | hehe |
| 21:22.24 | cryogen | well lets rejig things a bit and see if they still show in the right place |
| 21:24.30 | cryogen | cog|work: i must have had a typo or some small error in the original code.. i put it back the way it "was" and now it works |
| 21:25.09 | cog|work | yeah... best not to think too hard about those kinds of things... |
| 21:25.33 | cryogen | :) |
| 21:25.56 | cog|work | You have no idea how many times I've broken something trying to figure out why it works >< |
| 21:30.53 | zenzelezz | I don't have quite the same... I change things and end up wondering why they then work and didn't before |
| 21:37.20 | cryogen | cog|work: yay! working popup buttons <3 |
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| 21:39.35 | frop | hallo |
| 21:39.45 | frop | maybe here my problem fit better |
| 21:40.03 | frop | could someone help me out with fucking logs? why i can't get them, also if loggerhead says that it's logging properly? |
| 21:42.44 | cryogen | i think with the little bit of success, i have earned some sleep |
| 21:49.57 | frop | 2 |
| 21:50.00 | frop | :P |
| 21:50.00 | Shirik | !ar 593 |
| 21:50.00 | ThraeBot | Shirik: Arena rating from 593 points is, 2v2: 1864, 3v3: 1786, 5v5: 1678 |
| 21:50.19 | frop | noone recording CombatLogs here? |
| 21:51.44 | TS|Skrom | nevar |
| 21:52.12 | frop | :P |
| 21:52.20 | Kaydeethree | wtf... they're pushing the 2.2.2 ptr already? http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1778041031&postId=17777622402&sid=1 |
| 21:52.23 | frop | WSS is a great tool to improve raids |
| 21:52.30 | TS|Skrom | are you manipulating combat logs inside or outside the game? |
| 21:52.49 | frop | i'm not "manipulating" anything |
| 21:53.00 | frop | i'm just parsing them with the WSS client |
| 21:53.06 | TS|Skrom | what's WSS then? |
| 21:53.12 | frop | ...but the problem is that i can't get them |
| 21:53.12 | Kaydeethree | wow web stats |
| 21:53.13 | frop | wait |
| 21:53.18 | TS|Skrom | ps parsing = manipulating in my vernacular :) |
| 21:53.20 | Kaydeethree | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:53.35 | TS|Skrom | dont' combat logs update only on logout/reload? |
| 21:53.41 | Shirik | !ar 721 |
| 21:53.41 | ThraeBot | Shirik: Arena rating from 721 points is, 2v2: 2013, 3v3: 1905, 5v5: 1771 |
| 21:53.46 | Kaydeethree | yes |
| 21:53.46 | zenzelezz | TS|Skrom: no |
| 21:53.50 | zenzelezz | buffered writing |
| 21:53.58 | cog|work | cryogen: gratz :) |
| 21:54.00 | zenzelezz | something like ever 64k or more, can't remember |
| 21:54.02 | TS|Skrom | ahh, so still not realtime, but not that delayed |
| 21:54.03 | zenzelezz | *every |
| 21:54.06 | frop | http://wowwebstats.com/rvz4jo3rtibfi |
| 21:54.09 | zenzelezz | not real-time, no |
| 21:54.15 | ScytheBlade1 | It's much more than 64k |
| 21:54.23 | ScytheBlade1 | If it was 64k, I'd have no problem with data loss, ever |
| 21:54.32 | Kaydeethree | and the PTR forum got wiped. heh |
| 21:54.33 | zenzelezz | can't remember the figure, but yes |
| 21:54.42 | zenzelezz | ScytheBlade1: data loss? |
| 21:54.44 | ScytheBlade1 | It's several megabytes |
| 21:54.46 | frop | well, using loggerhead here... |
| 21:54.52 | ScytheBlade1 | zenzelezz, logs not being saved due to crashes/disconnects |
| 21:54.54 | frop | ....but i can't get them :P |
| 21:54.57 | zenzelezz | no, it's not megabytes unless they changed it in the last two months |
| 21:54.59 | frop | maybe linux fault |
| 21:55.08 | TS|Skrom | so 2.2 is off the PTR? |
| 21:55.11 | frop | well, you should rotate it... |
| 21:55.13 | ScytheBlade1 | I've lost multiple megabytes of combat logs due to crashes. |
| 21:55.17 | TS|Skrom | that would make patch day next week, no? |
| 21:55.23 | Kaydeethree | TS|Skrom, yes and yes |
| 21:55.32 | TS|Skrom | freak'n sweet ;-) |
| 21:55.38 | frop | tipically, on a 3hours Karazhan raid i get a 2mb log |
| 21:55.58 | zenzelezz | ScytheBlade1: well, when I was messing around a few months back it wrote it out every so often, and it was less than 500kb... but I don't recall the figure exactly... 200-something I think |
| 21:56.06 | ScytheBlade1 | On a typical gruul raid, I'd wind up with a 2-3MB log per person |
| 21:56.20 | frop | ScytheBlade1: yeah...that's fine |
| 21:56.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Note that I wrote an addon which my guildies install, which (1) enables logging in sync and (2) extends the range of the logs |
| 21:56.38 | frop | but the point is that i can't get this fuccka log written |
| 21:56.48 | Kaydeethree | do a /console reloadui before you log out |
| 21:56.55 | ScytheBlade1 | So my logs *are* larger than most people's, but likewise, I can say that the value is much, MUCH higher than 64kb. |
| 21:57.32 | frop | Kaydeethree: mmmh the funny thing is that i have only a "Rat" in the middle of the raid... |
| 21:57.39 | frop | ...at the end...i've done a /logout |
| 21:57.42 | zenzelezz | ScytheBlade1: like I said, I know it's higher, but I can't remember the figure. It was an example. But it was way below 1 MB |
| 21:57.44 | frop | to get it |
| 21:57.47 | Guillotine | http://xkcd.com/74/ <-- win |
| 21:58.09 | TS|Skrom | haha it's a sign. I delayed checking out on the purchase of that monitor while I considered the possible rammifications to my checking account... and when I finally decided to go through with it, my shopping cart cookie had expired. it's a sign I tell you, a sign! |
| 21:58.12 | ScytheBlade1 | zenzelezz, made of lies, I've personally lost 2MB of data ;P |
| 21:58.40 | zenzelezz | ScytheBlade1: I was watching Windows Explorer the whole time I was testing. Why mine works differently from yours I can't explain, but don't call me a liar |
| 21:58.54 | ScytheBlade1 | zenzelezz, the "made of lies" was mostly in joking |
| 21:58.58 | cog|work | Guillotine: I KNOW THE ANSWER!!! |
| 21:58.59 | ScytheBlade1 | sorry |
| 21:59.13 | cog|work | s/ANSWER/SOLUTION/ |
| 21:59.13 | Guillotine | cog|work: you must be a genius |
| 21:59.34 | Guillotine | thanks to whoever linked this comic earlier :P its awesome |
| 21:59.46 | TS|Skrom | s/SOLUTION/LOCATION OF WALDO/ |
| 21:59.52 | TS|Skrom | oops haha |
| 21:59.52 | Kaydeethree | xkcd <3 |
| 21:59.55 | ScytheBlade1 | zenzelezz, the more and more I try to figure out just how often it's written, the more I think that it's simply time based |
| 22:00.16 | Valaron|Work | Waldo is at 43,56 |
| 22:00.17 | zenzelezz | ScytheBlade1: could be a combination, mine seemed consistent on size |
| 22:00.44 | TS|Skrom | next time I'm gonna log in I'll use cartographer to point me in the directio of carmen sandiego |
| 22:00.47 | TS|Skrom | my plan is full of win |
| 22:01.02 | ScytheBlade1 | zenzelezz, it could be. But, again, I've seen 2MB lost personally, and I've had others who mail their logs to me that have lost in excess of 6MB. |
| 22:01.12 | zenzelezz | ScytheBlade1: if you're getting as much as you do writing in the size blocks I had could lead to frequent saving, which might have been less efficient |
| 22:01.59 | ScytheBlade1 | zenzelezz, come again? |
| 22:02.20 | zenzelezz | trying to rephrase, bit sleepy :-p |
| 22:02.41 | ScytheBlade1 | np, heh |
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| 22:04.39 | zenzelezz | ScytheBlade1: basically just think they may have coded it to try to minimize the number of times they write it out somehow, but not to the point of only writing on logout/reload/exit |
| 22:05.03 | ScytheBlade1 | That's the other thing. There are times when reloading did *not* write it to disk. Only logging out did. |
| 22:05.17 | alestane | Okay, so I suspect I know the answer to this question, but I'm hoping someone with more experience can prove me wrong...if I call string.format with a formatting string and two more arguments, is there ANY way to get the second additional argument (third argument total) inserted into the result string BEFORE the first additional argument? |
| 22:05.23 | zenzelezz | well, the combat log isn't striclty UI |
| 22:05.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Right. |
| 22:05.42 | MentalPower|Work | alestane: yes |
| 22:06.36 | alestane | MentalPower|Work: Where do I find more documentation? |
| 22:06.41 | ScytheBlade1 | zenzelezz, in sum, given my experience running WWS for my guild, I've not been able to deduce any logical pattern to when the combat logs are saved, with the one exception being logging out. |
| 22:07.46 | zenzelezz | ScytheBlade1: been too long for me to remember the exact figure, but I think it was something weird like 160 kb... was just running a new char around Mulgore questing, so data didn't come as fast as it would for you |
| 22:08.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Heh, yeah, not close to as fast as mine. 200 yards * 25 people = hihihi data |
| 22:08.31 | MentalPower|Work | The string.format() function present in WoW is not from Lua 5.0/5.1, it was ported over from Lua 4.0 (http://www.lua.org/manual/4.0/manual.html#format) |
| 22:09.58 | alestane | MentalPower|Work: Thank you, and in any case all the 5.1 definition of string.format says is that it works like printf. |
| 22:09.59 | MentalPower|Work | alestane: ^ |
| 22:10.20 | MentalPower|Work | but it does not do what you want |
| 22:10.33 | MentalPower|Work | take the vanilla Lua 5.1 string.format and see |
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| 22:10.55 | MentalPower|Work | cog's version emulates WoW so it does do it, but vanilla 5.1 does not |
| 22:11.09 | ScytheBlade1 | zenzelezz, again, sorry for that confusion. "Made of lies" is a phrase I throw at some RL friends often ;P |
| 22:11.33 | zenzelezz | heh, no worries |
| 22:11.34 | alestane | lua> string.format ("%2$, %1$", 8, 3) |
| 22:11.34 | cladbot | alestane: [string "string.format ("%2$, %1$", 8, 3)"]:1: invalid option '%,' to 'format' |
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| 22:11.48 | cog|work | you forgot the ds |
| 22:12.02 | MentalPower|Work | hmm... bad clad|moving bad :P |
| 22:12.06 | cog|work | >lua> string.format ("%2$d, %1$d", 8, 3) |
| 22:12.10 | cog|work | lua> string.format ("%2$d, %1$d", 8, 3) |
| 22:12.11 | cladbot | cog|work: 3, 8, |
| 22:12.28 | MentalPower|Work | or maybe not :P |
| 22:12.32 | MentalPower|Work | ~lart me |
| 22:12.32 | purl | sends a legion of lawyers after mentalpower|work's head |
| 22:12.35 | alestane | Oh, still have to specifiy what they're going to be. |
| 22:13.00 | cog|work | and you can reset it as much as you want and then it will continue from there: |
| 22:13.35 | cog|work | lua> format("%d, %d, %1$d, %d, %d, %1$d", 1, 2, 3) |
| 22:13.36 | cladbot | cog|work: 1, 2, 1, 2, 3, 1, |
| 22:14.09 | alestane | lua> "%2$d, %1$d":format(8,3) |
| 22:14.10 | cladbot | alestane: sandbox.lua:285: Compilation failed: [string ""%2$d, %1$d":format(8,3)"]:1: unexpected symbol near '"%2$d, %1$d"' |
| 22:14.14 | alestane | lua> ("%2$d, %1$d"):format(8,3) |
| 22:14.14 | cladbot | alestane: 3, 8, |
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| 22:14.30 | Buuyo | oh wow |
| 22:14.34 | Buuyo | that's pretty expressive |
| 22:14.42 | alestane | Not that I ever really expect to be indexing literals in practical code. |
| 22:15.13 | Cide | blizzard does, so it's useful knowledge :) |
| 22:15.34 | alestane | cog|work: So it works sort of like a MSWord SEQ field, with options on the \r switch? |
| 22:15.36 | cog|work | it's useful for localization |
| 22:15.40 | Cide | what cog|work said |
| 22:15.45 | alestane | That's what I want it for. |
| 22:15.59 | cog|work | alestane: if i knew what that was, i'd probably say "yes" :P |
| 22:16.29 | alestane | Sorry, I'm working as a document production assistant right now, up to my ears in MSOffice. |
| 22:17.05 | alestane | Fields in Word are generated content (for the most part). |
| 22:17.43 | alestane | {SEQ Chapter \r 1} will appear in the document as 1. |
| 22:18.06 | alestane | The next {SEQ Chapter} will appear as 2. |
| 22:18.41 | alestane | But then if you say {SEQ Chapter \r 8} {SEQ Chapter}, that will appear as 8 9. |
| 22:18.56 | alestane | GRR...emoticon interference. |
| 22:19.08 | cog|work | wfm :) |
| 22:19.14 | alestane | That was supposed be {SEQ Chapter \r 8 } |
| 22:19.27 | alestane | "wfm"? |
| 22:19.31 | cog|work | works for me |
| 22:19.36 | cog|work | depends on your irc client |
| 22:19.45 | alestane | I got a little guy in sunglasses. |
| 22:19.55 | cog|work | chatzilla doesn't see 8 } as 8 ) |
| 22:20.55 | alestane | Anyway you get the idea. In Word's case, you can also say {SEQ Chapter \c} and it will produce the same value as the last Chapter tag, which is useful for putting chapter #'s on pages and so forth. |
| 22:21.15 | Rallion | i had no idea word had such features |
| 22:21.19 | Rallion | seriously |
| 22:21.34 | alestane | Word has way more features than a word processor really needs. |
| 22:22.00 | Kaydeethree | creature feeping </3 |
| 22:22.02 | cog|work | that's 'cause it tries to be way more than a word processor... |
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| 22:22.21 | alestane | Hit CTRL+F9 sometime in word and you'll get a blank field code, or use the Insert Menu and pick Field for help. |
| 22:22.50 | alestane | It's not reliable enough to be a real desktop publishing program though. |
| 22:23.15 | alestane | But things like automated tables of contents are also done with fields. |
| 22:23.25 | foxlit | http://wondermark.com/d/220.html |
| 22:23.32 | cog|work | also, WYSIWYG isn't powerful enough for quality typesetting, so even as a word processor it is teh suk |
| 22:23.58 | alestane | I use InDesign for real publishing and TextEdit is fine for actual word processing. |
| 22:24.37 | alestane | Oh, and I might be moving on from that job soon anyway, because: I GOT MY A+ TODAY! |
| 22:25.14 | alestane | Time to find a real job! |
| 22:25.45 | cog|work | grats :) |
| 22:26.04 | cog|work | i got me one of those... and now i'm doing stuff that has absolutely nothing to do with it >< |
| 22:26.07 | alestane | I don't know why the second half of that test seems so much easier than the first. |
| 22:26.24 | cog|work | i don't remember my test... it was back in 01 |
| 22:26.44 | alestane | Well, I'm mostly thinking that putting it on my resume will make me look more like a credible IT professional and less like a wannabe. |
| 22:26.45 | cog|work | practically taught the class though 'cause no one understood the teacher |
| 22:27.19 | cog|work | yeah... it's always annoyed me how much pieces of paper control your future |
| 22:27.37 | Antiarc | http://youtube.com/watch?v=eNLQY3bQyaM |
| 22:27.39 | alestane | They've changed the test as of '06, now you have to pass an essentials exam and one of the IT Tech, Help Desk Support and Depot Technician exams. |
| 22:28.06 | Kaydeethree | egah, helldesk support? |
| 22:28.12 | alestane | Even if I use it to get a programming job or something instead of actual IT support, $400 will be worth it. |
| 22:28.36 | cog|work | programming jobs are hard to come by without a BS and 2 years exp... |
| 22:28.43 | cog|work | found that out the hard way recently... |
| 22:28.48 | buu | Lie a lot. |
| 22:29.05 | alestane | They test you on a bunch of other stuff compared to what they used to...whole sections on security and "communication and professionalism". |
| 22:29.08 | buu | Tell them you developed linux. |
| 22:29.50 | alestane | For instance, the Depot Tech test checks you a lot on solid hardware, whereas the Support Tech test is mostly about diagnostic and customer service skills. |
| 22:30.00 | cog|work | alestane: heh. the A+ book we used had a chapter on how to act but nothing much beyond that |
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| 22:30.08 | alestane | IT tech is your base-line on-site support. |
| 22:30.22 | cog|work | basic tips like "don't move your client's stuff around without asking" |
| 22:30.52 | alestane | This one actually asks you questions like what the protocol is if you have to call a vendor from a client's house or something. |
| 22:31.07 | alestane | But it's elementary manners and communication skills. |
| 22:31.33 | alestane | So are you supposed to be an intern for two years in order to get a programming job then? |
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| 22:32.23 | cog|work | no, it's more of a catch 22 situation... You pretty much have to either find a place that has entry-level (read: overworked & underpaid) position or get your foot in the door with a non-programming job (like QA) |
| 22:33.07 | zenzelezz | or find someone really desperate |
| 22:33.28 | cog|work | and entry level jobs are usually filled by foot-in-the-door jobs anyway so yeah... applying directly to a programming job after school isn't fun |
| 22:33.30 | zenzelezz | I may just get a job doing PHP (!) for mobile phone services, thanks to my brother... awaiting a response |
| 22:33.31 | alestane | And of course, don't confuse programming with software engineering. |
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| 23:02.18 | cog|work | ~lart Shirik |
| 23:02.18 | purl | declares Shirik a moron |
| 23:02.28 | Industrial | Shirik: |
| 23:02.29 | Industrial | you me |
| 23:02.30 | Industrial | 1v1 |
| 23:02.31 | Industrial | FF |
| 23:02.32 | Industrial | now |
| 23:02.36 | cog|work | where did you get the idea <Script> is deprecated? |
| 23:02.42 | cog|work | :P |
| 23:02.58 | Industrial | or anyone else for that matter |
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| 23:09.20 | sag_ich_nicht | [00:32] <cog|work> no, it's more of a catch 22 situation... You pretty much have to either find a place that has entry-level (read: overworked & underpaid) position or get your foot in the door with a non-programming job (like QA) <--or, you start being a kernel hacker for linux, *bsd or something else, open a "security group", work on that for 1 to 2 year and then get hired by someone like google |
| 23:09.21 | sag_ich_nicht | :X |
| 23:10.56 | sag_ich_nicht | you may wish to ask dreamss what i mean if you don't know it :P |
| 23:11.15 | sag_ich_nicht | or maybe bleeter :P |
| 23:11.55 | cog|work | hacking to expose security flaws? |
| 23:12.08 | cog|work | perhaps in quotes? :P |
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| 23:13.23 | Industrial | ~seen Cidan |
| 23:13.27 | purl | cidan <i=feh@conspiracy/developer/Cidan> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 7h 40m 30s ago, saying: 'Sorry, sorry, hehehaa'. |
| 23:17.56 | Shirik | cog|work: Because such is what I've been told |
| 23:18.34 | cog|work | that's not a "where" ;) I'd like to ~lart who ever told you that :P |
| 23:18.54 | Shirik | I was told it a long long time ago |
| 23:18.59 | Shirik | so I have no idea "where" |
| 23:19.36 | cog|work | well, whoever it was was being to harsh... it's by no means deprecated but it's generally a "best practice" to list your files in the ToC (with the exception I mentioned in my response) |
| 23:19.42 | cog|work | s/to/too/ |
| 23:20.58 | Shirik | cog|work: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1777869824&sid=1 |
| 23:21.12 | Shirik | can you please explain to me what he actually meant |
| 23:21.16 | Shirik | since you seem to have understood |
| 23:21.43 | cog|work | he seemed to completely miss the fact that your macro does exactly what he asked for and was trying to re-explain what he wanted |
| 23:23.16 | ales|afk | The last week or so at work I've been trying to work out a plan for storing the information we want to publish in XML files and just use Word as a formatting engine. |
| 23:23.42 | alestane | Right now I practically have namespaces coming out my ears. |
| 23:25.06 | MentalPower|Work | alestane: welcome to our world :) |
| 23:25.25 | alestane | MentalPower|Work: Why, what do you do? |
| 23:27.28 | MentalPower|Work | namespaces and scoping rules in Lua drive me nuts |
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| 23:28.41 | cog|work | quit home |
| 23:28.45 | cog|work | + / |
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| 23:30.20 | alestane | scoping rules I can handle. It's juat that I've spent about three days doing nothing but trying to absorb XML Namespaces, XPath and XML Schema in their entirety. |
| 23:31.01 | alestane | And it's a bloody lot of information. |
| 23:32.09 | foxlit | And it's all ever so useful |
| 23:32.26 | alestane | Well, off to dinner. |
| 23:32.47 | foxlit | Updated php blp->png script, should now whine in human |
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| 23:36.44 | Thunder_Child | ~lart foxlit |
| 23:36.44 | purl | does a little 'renice 20 -u foxlit' |
| 23:36.49 | bleeter | anyone tested Wine Git yet (without patches) for the crash on exit fix? |
| 23:37.12 | foxlit | I can't for the life of me figure out what's wrong with the JPEG |
| 23:37.41 | foxlit | It seems something about the compressed stream itself irks decoders, but there's nothing really wrong with the container format :( |
| 23:39.07 | Industrial | Shirik: ping |
| 23:39.24 | foxlit | If anyone is interested in a bunch of Lua code converted to PHP, http://vector.digifort.com/blp2image.phps |
| 23:39.46 | buu | Ewwww. |
| 23:39.50 | buu | Isn't that a sin? |
| 23:40.06 | Shirik | Industrial: sup |
| 23:40.18 | Industrial | Shirik: you, me, firtress forever, 1v1, now, gogo |
| 23:40.22 | Shirik | ? |
| 23:40.23 | Industrial | fortress even |
| 23:40.25 | foxlit | buu: nah, not really |
| 23:40.26 | sysrage | woot got fraps goin |
| 23:40.27 | Shirik | fortress forever? |
| 23:40.34 | foxlit | wtf |
| 23:40.38 | foxlit | TEAM fortress |
| 23:40.39 | foxlit | 1v1? |
| 23:40.44 | Shirik | no tengo |
| 23:40.47 | foxlit | Off with your head, Industrial! |
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| 23:41.02 | Shirik | I can get it for free? |
| 23:41.08 | Industrial | yes |
| 23:41.11 | Industrial | fortress-forever.com |
| 23:41.22 | Industrial | foxlit: ill 1v1 you :> |
| 23:41.22 | foxlit | Does it run on a mac? |
| 23:41.31 | Shirik | kk but after gruul :P |
| 23:41.33 | Industrial | oo dunno about that |
| 23:41.38 | Industrial | prolly not |
| 23:41.45 | foxlit | raiding on friday makes baby children cry! |
| 23:41.46 | buu | foxlit: It might be. |
| 23:41.58 | buu | foxlit: But it is php. |
| 23:42.12 | foxlit | PHP actually has better bitwise operations support out of the box compared to lua |
| 23:42.17 | foxlit | *operators |
| 23:42.33 | foxlit | Spelling goes to nil as time approaches 2am |
| 23:42.36 | buu | Yes, but php destroys your brain. |
| 23:42.57 | Shirik | ... |
| 23:42.59 | Shirik | ~lart buu |
| 23:43.00 | purl | shoots buu in the head |
| 23:43.05 | foxlit | If you believe that, it's too late to save you. |
| 23:43.25 | Shirik | foxlit: "better" is an understatement |
| 23:43.29 | buu | Save me?! |
| 23:43.33 | buu | Save me *from* php. |
| 23:43.33 | Shirik | Lua doesn't have it, period :P |
| 23:43.43 | buu | Every single php program is an abomination unto the lord! |
| 23:43.50 | Shirik | uh huh |
| 23:44.00 | Shirik | do you have a justification? |
| 23:44.22 | buu | Have you seen that language?! |
| 23:44.28 | buu | It has like 5,000 core functions. |
| 23:44.38 | Shirik | .. and? |
| 23:44.44 | Shirik | And yes, I have seen it |
| 23:44.48 | foxlit | (liesdamnliesandstatistics) |
| 23:44.49 | Shirik | I use it on a regular basis |
| 23:45.23 | buu | I'm sorry. |
| 23:49.00 | Cide | php is fine, but should have namespaces |
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| 23:49.13 | Shirik | it has classes |
| 23:49.29 | Cide | yeah, but the core functions aren't sorted into classes usually :P |
| 23:49.43 | Shirik | they're getting better at it |
| 23:49.45 | buu | PHP is cute in a sort of hideously bad attempt to rip off perl. |
| 23:49.47 | Shirik | mysqli for example has classes |
| 23:49.48 | Cide | yup |
| 23:49.50 | Polarina | Lua has all of that. :) |
| 23:50.06 | foxlit | Polarina: x & y |
| 23:50.15 | Shirik | Lua cannot do! |
| 23:50.22 | Polarina | Yes, lua can. |
| 23:50.29 | Shirik | (Without support of an external library) |
| 23:50.41 | Shirik | (And without a ton of math :P ) |
| 23:50.41 | Polarina | You have the most primitive operators named addition and subtraction. |
| 23:50.52 | Shirik | x & y is neither addition nor subtraction |
| 23:51.18 | Polarina | Left shifting can be done in Lua: x * 2 ^ y (x << y) |
| 23:51.31 | Shirik | so you want to do all this math |
| 23:51.36 | Shirik | instead of just x & y |
| 23:51.53 | foxlit | x & y isn't a left shift :/ |
| 23:51.54 | Polarina | Shirik: Didn't say that was the most efficient way. |
| 23:52.24 | Shirik | lua> function band(i, j) return x*2 ^ y * ( x << y ) end return band(2,3) |
| 23:52.24 | cladbot | Shirik: sandbox.lua:285: Compilation failed: [string "function band(i, j) return x*2 ^ y * ( x << y ) end return band..."]:1: unexpected symbol near '<' |
| 23:52.30 | Shirik | << does not exist :P |
| 23:52.53 | Polarina | The text within the brackets isn't a lua code. |
| 23:53.07 | Shirik | oh |
| 23:53.08 | foxlit | And then you get to ^ |
| 23:53.08 | Polarina | It was just there to represent what x and y were for. |
| 23:53.10 | Shirik | x * 2 ^ y |
| 23:53.11 | foxlit | Which is heaps of fun |
| 23:53.14 | Shirik | ok |
| 23:53.15 | buu | Come on guys, the point here is to mock php, not lua |
| 23:53.18 | Shirik | so you did a left shift |
| 23:53.19 | Shirik | big deal |
| 23:53.21 | Shirik | now what? |
| 23:53.28 | Shirik | You going to do that 64 times, plus subtraction? |
| 23:53.31 | Polarina | I can do a right shift too. |
| 23:53.34 | art3mis | buu: control files.... nuf said ;P |
| 23:53.45 | Shirik | When a processor has the capability of doing an and operation with a one-tick instruction? |
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| 23:54.23 | foxlit | Having said all that, I haven't noticed a major performance improvement using bitlib instead of floor / multiply for shifts |
| 23:54.26 | Polarina | Two-tick. |
| 23:54.36 | Shirik | one tick |
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| 23:54.48 | Shirik | Any processor that is using two to perform the operation is being stupid |
| 23:54.51 | buu | art3mis: For what, php? |
| 23:55.00 | Shirik | it's just a bunch of D flip-flops and a few and gates |
| 23:55.04 | Shirik | there is no reason to require two ticks |
| 23:55.18 | Polarina | Using the most basic operators (+, -, *, /, ^) are actually faster than using the bitlib library because of the overhead introduced by converting double to int and back again. |
| 23:55.18 | Shirik | probably nand gates for implementation, but still |
| 23:55.32 | Shirik | Polarina: Are you just randomly pulling statements out of your ass? |
| 23:55.41 | Polarina | Shirik: No, my mouth. |
| 23:56.01 | Polarina | And carefully picked. |
| 23:56.19 | Shirik | Because they're pointless |
| 23:56.24 | Shirik | You just proved Lua is better than Lua |
| 23:56.26 | Shirik | big deal |
| 23:56.36 | Shirik | PHP's bit operations will still be faster than either method of Lua's bitwise operation |
| 23:56.43 | Polarina | Of course. |
| 23:57.12 | Shirik | and your statements do not converge |
| 23:57.14 | Shirik | they diverge |
| 23:57.19 | Shirik | we went from... |
| 23:57.20 | foxlit | Polarina: Using the most basic operators (+, -, *, /, ^) are actually faster than using the bitlib library because of the overhead introduced by converting double to int and back again. |
| 23:57.38 | foxlit | If you add a "for the same purpose" to that, you're probably on the edge of being wrong |
| 23:57.48 | Polarina | ? |
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