| 00:00.05 | Kirov | well, my computer is too slow to log back in before I disconnect outright |
| 00:02.20 | foxlit | Does a forced disconnect log you out immediately? |
| 00:02.55 | [dRaCo] | afaik not |
| 00:02.57 | foxlit | SendChatMessage("\n", ...); |
| 00:03.30 | Shirik | lua> 0.5 * 255 |
| 00:03.36 | Shirik | >>> 0.5 * 255 |
| 00:03.37 | Cide | Shirik: 127.5 |
| 00:03.58 | Kirov | What happens if I do an infinite loop? |
| 00:04.15 | FlAWD | chuck norris dies |
| 00:04.17 | FlAWD | :X |
| 00:04.32 | alestane | I believe there's a timeout restriction. |
| 00:04.41 | *** part/#wowi-lounge chuckg (i=chuckg@66-239-58-32.starstream.net) |
| 00:04.43 | Kirov | would it be a dick to do lua> while true do end |
| 00:05.00 | alestane | cladhaire must be en route to the UK. |
| 00:05.25 | Industrial | >>> while true do end |
| 00:05.31 | Cide | Industrial: maximum execution time (5s) exceeded |
| 00:05.33 | Cairenn | aye :( |
| 00:05.33 | Industrial | Kirov: ^ |
| 00:05.46 | alestane | even cladbot is gone. |
| 00:05.55 | Iriel | There's a timeout, yes |
| 00:07.41 | Saint-N | hePirateBay has been digging through the enormous chunk of leaked email from MediaDefender, the sleazy enforcers used by the entertainment industry to fight P2P, and they've discovered evidence of illegal sabotage. So they're suing all the big movie and record comapnies in Sweden |
| 00:07.44 | Saint-N | bahahahaha |
| 00:07.44 | Kirov | What happens when chuck norris and kitt go head to head? |
| 00:08.52 | Saint-N | same thing that happens when a normal person and car meet |
| 00:08.55 | Shirik | the universe blows up, permanently separating them, but not killing them |
| 00:08.58 | Saint-N | no-one cares and we move on |
| 00:09.07 | alestane | So a well-known site specializing in illegal distribution of copyrighted materials is suing for illegal sabotage of their ability to continue doing so? |
| 00:09.32 | Shirik | Well |
| 00:09.34 | Saint-N | alestane: pirates bay doesnt distro it ;P |
| 00:09.44 | alestane | Just .torrents. |
| 00:09.47 | Saint-N | but thats the general gist yes... |
| 00:09.48 | Shirik | technically speaking, just because they're doing something illegal doesn't make it right for someone else to destroy them |
| 00:10.11 | alestane | Shirik is also correct...but I find the situation ironic. |
| 00:10.14 | Shirik | If you get DoSed, and you decide to DoS that person back |
| 00:10.16 | Saint-N | or using illegal methods to accomplish it |
| 00:10.17 | Shirik | they can sue you |
| 00:10.38 | Saint-N | i find it quite amusing actually |
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| 00:10.56 | Saint-N | the pirates bay has a whole section dedicated to thier "letters from lawyers" |
| 00:10.57 | Kirov | ZOMG, combat, dead / ghost, and buffs are all valid at PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD |
| 00:11.07 | Kirov | <3 slouken & minions! |
| 00:11.20 | alestane | They all should be valid by then. |
| 00:11.57 | alestane | By the time PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD fires, the game state should be entirely loaded from the server AIUI. |
| 00:12.39 | Iriel | Not exactly |
| 00:12.50 | Iriel | there are still stragglers for some of the lazy fetch API's |
| 00:13.54 | alestane | metatable lookup and metamethod invocation are triggered C-side, right? |
| 00:14.34 | Iriel | alestane: yes, if you're asking what I think you're asking |
| 00:14.44 | Iriel | i.e. whether the way metatables 'work' is part of the C lua implementation |
| 00:15.47 | alestane | Well, I'm trying to decide between calling a function on a table by storing them both in local variables, or putting the function in the table's __index table and calling it as a method. |
| 00:16.16 | alestane | So I'm trying to determine if there's going to be a noticable performance difference. |
| 00:18.56 | Iriel | locals will remove the lookup entirely |
| 00:19.04 | Iriel | __index still has to do a table dereference |
| 00:19.23 | Iriel | both are very fast, but the difference is measurable if you're calling it a vast number of times |
| 00:20.39 | alestane | total number of bag slots, plus total number of inventory slots, plus number of unique spells, but only in response to SPELL_UPDATE_COOLDOWN. |
| 00:22.46 | MentalPower | thats a lot of processing for an event |
| 00:24.16 | alestane | The tracking method in JIM CooldownPulse gave me a headache. |
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| 00:25.43 | alestane | That one actually constantly makes a note of the last item used or spell cast, and whenever SPELL_UPDATE_COOLDOWN fires, assumes that that's what just went on cooldown. |
| 00:26.22 | Legorol | I'd like to ask for a bit of help. |
| 00:26.35 | Legorol | Could someone possibly generate the MD5 sums of common.mpq and expansion.mpq? |
| 00:26.42 | MentalPower | one sec |
| 00:26.50 | Legorol | the repair tool keeps claiming mine are corrupt, but i have reinstalled several times :/ |
| 00:26.57 | Legorol | take your time |
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| 00:27.09 | Legorol | i don't need it right away |
| 00:29.19 | MentalPower | this will take a while |
| 00:30.09 | Iriel | Legorol: EU or US? |
| 00:30.21 | Iriel | or does it not matter? |
| 00:30.24 | Legorol | i think those two files are shared |
| 00:30.28 | MentalPower | it should not matter |
| 00:30.31 | Legorol | there are locale specific folders inside Data |
| 00:30.34 | MentalPower | but it might |
| 00:30.49 | Legorol | the next step will be that i'll ask someone with EU copy to do the Data\enGB folder for me |
| 00:30.56 | Iriel | -rwxr-xr-x 1 daniel admin 3832940109 Apr 13 21:41 common.MPQ |
| 00:30.57 | Iriel | -rwxr-xr-x 1 daniel admin 1468608919 Apr 13 21:40 expansion.MPQ |
| 00:30.58 | MentalPower | depending on what your upgrade path is |
| 00:31.01 | Iriel | There's a start -- length checks |
| 00:31.19 | Legorol | cheers |
| 00:31.32 | Iriel | Let me check OSX and windows are the same |
| 00:31.52 | Legorol | length doesn't match |
| 00:32.04 | Legorol | ah they may not be |
| 00:32.10 | Iriel | windows is different, one sec |
| 00:32.32 | Thunder_Child | i dont get it...on cold days my machine runs hotter....Wiskey Tango Foxtrot.... |
| 00:32.42 | bleeter | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:32.42 | bleeter | 902f957a1aaac74cdea63df82c662ef6 common.MPQ |
| 00:32.51 | Iriel | -rwx------ 1 daniel admin 3838254211 Dec 5 2006 common.MPQ |
| 00:32.51 | Iriel | -rwx------ 1 daniel admin 1468608919 Jan 15 2007 expansion.MPQ |
| 00:32.53 | Iriel | windows lengths |
| 00:32.58 | bleeter | win32 file on linux host |
| 00:33.05 | Legorol | is that length it occupies on disk? |
| 00:33.17 | bleeter | enUS here |
| 00:33.25 | bleeter | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:33.25 | bleeter | 8671fe9487db54ac9b0f5287c0fc9ba1 expansion.MPQ |
| 00:33.26 | Iriel | that's the file size reported by windows and OSX |
| 00:33.28 | Legorol | mmm hold on |
| 00:33.36 | Iriel | for the windows version of the app |
| 00:33.37 | Legorol | let me check something |
| 00:33.44 | Iriel | (US Live) |
| 00:35.13 | Shadowed | http post is evil |
| 00:35.15 | Legorol | Ok here is the strange thing: i have a copy of WoW 2.0.0, which is install original WoW, install TBC, and stop there |
| 00:35.21 | Legorol | i have backed that state up |
| 00:35.33 | Legorol | that has a different size for common/expansion.mpq than the 2.1.3 |
| 00:35.36 | Legorol | at least on my machine |
| 00:35.46 | Legorol | i'd have thought all extra data went into patch.mpq |
| 00:36.18 | MentalPower | I stopped trying to make sense of Blizzard patching procedures long ago |
| 00:36.48 | Legorol | file size for common.mpq in 2.0.0 is 3832972495 actual, 3832975560 on disk |
| 00:36.55 | MentalPower | # MD5 checksums generated by MD5summer (http://www.md5summer.org) |
| 00:36.57 | MentalPower | # Generated 09/22/2007 8:36:09 PM |
| 00:36.58 | MentalPower | ab625af5ad7bbfea6d1dcda2ff3e6086 *common.MPQ |
| 00:37.00 | MentalPower | 3474c9e9318e24ac6640d6d295858e00 *expansion.MPQ |
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| 00:37.28 | Legorol | file size for common.mpq in 2.1.3 (for me) is 3903447741 actual, 3903451146 on disk |
| 00:37.29 | MentalPower | hello again sioraiocht |
| 00:37.42 | sioraiocht | hihi MentalPower |
| 00:37.48 | bleeter | that's nice, mp and I have different md5s |
| 00:37.48 | Legorol | ok bleeter and MentalPower's MD5s don't agree |
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| 00:37.54 | Legorol | bleeter, is yours EU? |
| 00:37.57 | bleeter | enUS |
| 00:37.59 | Legorol | are you both 2.1.3? |
| 00:38.07 | MentalPower | I knew cladhaire was not far behind |
| 00:38.16 | bleeter | 2.1.3 enUS |
| 00:38.19 | MentalPower | Legorol: yes enUS 2.1.3 |
| 00:38.35 | MentalPower | w/BC |
| 00:38.36 | Legorol | then why do you guys differ :D |
| 00:38.52 | cladhaire | hrm? |
| 00:39.06 | bleeter | heya clad |
| 00:39.14 | cladhaire | heyas |
| 00:39.21 | Legorol | the plot thickens.. |
| 00:39.40 | MentalPower | sioraiocht logged in, I knew clad was not far behind |
| 00:39.44 | cladhaire | lol |
| 00:39.52 | cladhaire | just waiting for our next flight |
| 00:39.57 | sioraiocht | well, we are sort of attached, most of the time |
| 00:39.59 | Cidan | cladhaire, in Dulles? |
| 00:40.03 | cladhaire | indeed. |
| 00:40.10 | Cidan | I pondered going over there |
| 00:40.11 | Cidan | :D |
| 00:40.30 | MentalPower | cladhaire: how long's the layover? |
| 00:40.49 | Legorol | well thanks for the help everyone, i'll struggle here a bit more |
| 00:41.01 | Legorol | looks like MD5s are not giving a useful info, if it differes even between two enUS 2.1.3s |
| 00:41.10 | cladhaire | we take off at 10:00pm EST |
| 00:41.55 | MentalPower | bleeter: did you upgrade from 1.x into 2.x or did you install directly into 2.x? |
| 00:42.34 | bleeter | the former, iirc |
| 00:42.47 | MentalPower | Legorol: thats the difference |
| 00:43.08 | bleeter | aye... I shouldn't have posted them... oops |
| 00:43.35 | MentalPower | I used a 2.x DVD, so my system never had to convert from the old MPQ format to the new one |
| 00:43.40 | MentalPower | s/format/layout/ |
| 00:44.27 | Legorol | MentalPower: did you have to install original first? |
| 00:44.30 | cladhaire | aye that would be nice. |
| 00:44.36 | Legorol | and install TBC on it? |
| 00:44.58 | bleeter | atm, I've got like 8 iso's on loopback for my installer script, PITA |
| 00:45.03 | Legorol | bleeter and MentalPower: any chance you guys could paste file sizes? |
| 00:45.09 | MentalPower | Legorol: yup |
| 00:45.12 | MentalPower | Legorol: one sec |
| 00:45.15 | sag_ich_nicht | [02:41] <+Legorol> looks like MD5s are not giving a useful info, if it differes even between two enUS 2.1.3s <--what |
| 00:45.18 | sag_ich_nicht | that shouldn't happen |
| 00:45.22 | sag_ich_nicht | if you talk about the .exe |
| 00:45.22 | bleeter | 3832940111 2007-03-24 20:56 common.MPQ |
| 00:45.26 | sag_ich_nicht | or common.MPQ |
| 00:45.28 | sag_ich_nicht | if it does |
| 00:45.28 | bleeter | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:45.29 | MentalPower | sag_ich_nicht: MPQ |
| 00:45.34 | sag_ich_nicht | still shouldn't happen |
| 00:45.40 | sag_ich_nicht | enjoy your file corruption |
| 00:45.45 | sag_ich_nicht | also, use SHA-1 hashes. |
| 00:45.56 | bleeter | sha1sum common.MPQ |
| 00:45.56 | bleeter | e4f4ba921ed2c6d7b2c8146e4edb1385c3283379 common.MPQ |
| 00:45.59 | bleeter | sha1sum expansion.MPQ |
| 00:45.59 | bleeter | 331598a12b5d8057ac39c21d8861b84cb4474f21 expansion.MPQ |
| 00:46.18 | MentalPower | 3,777,533,008 common.MPQ |
| 00:46.19 | sag_ich_nicht | and now i go to bed |
| 00:46.19 | MentalPower | 1,468,608,919 expansion.MPQ |
| 00:46.20 | sag_ich_nicht | night guys |
| 00:46.38 | MentalPower | sag_ich_nicht: MPQs are wierd like that |
| 00:46.49 | Legorol | ok just to absolutely clarify: |
| 00:46.56 | sag_ich_nicht | BS; i've been hacking MPQs since broodwar |
| 00:46.57 | MentalPower | they're zip-like so it matters what order you add things in |
| 00:46.58 | Legorol | bleeter had it up to 1.12 etc., and installed TBC on top |
| 00:47.00 | sag_ich_nicht | they don't just CHANGE |
| 00:47.04 | sag_ich_nicht | ew |
| 00:47.11 | Legorol | whereas MentalPower did a fresh install of original, and TBC straight on top? |
| 00:47.31 | sag_ich_nicht | ~fail cladhaire |
| 00:47.31 | purl | cladhaire: Fail. |
| 00:47.34 | MentalPower | aye |
| 00:47.34 | sag_ich_nicht | anyway, night guys. |
| 00:47.38 | Legorol | ok |
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| 00:48.01 | MentalPower | and original in my case was ver 2.0 |
| 00:48.16 | Legorol | uh |
| 00:48.25 | Legorol | you had a 2.0 version of vanilla WoW? |
| 00:48.37 | MentalPower | I still do |
| 00:48.39 | Legorol | at least your expansion.mpq matches |
| 00:48.49 | Legorol | in size, but not md5 |
| 00:48.51 | Legorol | strange |
| 00:48.52 | cladhaire | Cairenn: I miss you!! |
| 00:48.57 | cladhaire | rebooting, brb |
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| 00:50.44 | Legorol | mm, i have a size of 1,468,608,929 for expansion.mpq both for 2.0.0 and 2.1.3, and the md5 is the same for 2.0.0 and 2.1.3 |
| 00:50.56 | Legorol | however, common.mpq seems to have a different size/md5 for 2.0.0 and 2.1.3 |
| 00:51.10 | Legorol | bleh, i should try reinstalling... yet again :( |
| 00:51.12 | Legorol | *sigh* |
| 00:51.37 | MentalPower | FilePlanet has the 2.0 installer DVD image |
| 00:52.06 | Legorol | i have the DVDs, so it's not that bad... but it takes ages |
| 00:52.16 | Legorol | and the problem is that for some reason on this machine i keep struggling with corruption issues |
| 00:52.25 | Kaydeethree | hdds going bad? cables? |
| 00:52.31 | Legorol | for example, i can't even install on my C drive, every time i try, the install aborts with a file corrupted type error message |
| 00:52.45 | Legorol | but i can on a different physical HDD |
| 00:52.55 | Legorol | the C drive is the newer one |
| 00:52.56 | MentalPower | I'd go with Kaydeethree on this one |
| 00:53.07 | MentalPower | loose cables can do that |
| 00:53.07 | Iriel | As would I |
| 00:53.11 | Iriel | or bad memory |
| 00:53.17 | Legorol | :'( |
| 00:53.21 | Legorol | very hard to troubleshoot |
| 00:53.27 | Iriel | BIOS up to date? most recent drivers? |
| 00:53.30 | Legorol | it's a SATA drive, can the cable be loose on that? |
| 00:53.35 | Iriel | CHKDSK valid |
| 00:53.41 | Iriel | A cable can be loose on ANYTHING |
| 00:54.00 | Legorol | it's annoying, i never have corruption issues with anything else ever, except WoW |
| 00:54.35 | Legorol | Iriel: what's chkdsk valid? |
| 00:54.36 | Kaydeethree | wow does bad things to hard drives |
| 00:55.07 | Legorol | ok |
| 00:55.49 | Legorol | so, what are the things to check for with the HDD? |
| 00:55.56 | Legorol | i'll reattach cable, that's clear |
| 00:56.03 | Legorol | what else can you guys suggest? |
| 00:56.13 | Legorol | i'm very bad at hardwary things |
| 00:56.21 | Legorol | what good memory test utility should i try? |
| 00:56.25 | Iriel | I meant, have you run a chkdsk and was the result valid |
| 00:56.42 | Legorol | i guess i can't get away with that |
| 00:56.45 | Legorol | i should |
| 00:56.47 | Iriel | Is memtest86 still the de-facto standard? |
| 00:57.32 | Iriel | run it when you go to bed 8-) |
| 00:57.43 | Legorol | bleh, i was hoping to get PTR 2.2.2 working tonight |
| 00:57.48 | Iriel | and run it in verbose mode so it actually gives you some useful feedback |
| 00:57.51 | MentalPower | PTR is down |
| 00:58.03 | Kaydeethree | did it just crash? |
| 00:58.06 | Shirik | WOW! |
| 00:58.08 | Kaydeethree | I was on it ~10 minutes ago |
| 00:58.10 | Shirik | That summoned boss in heroic sethekk |
| 00:58.11 | Shirik | so fun |
| 00:58.13 | MentalPower | oh? |
| 00:58.15 | Legorol | i tried to install the 2.1.3-to-0.2.2 patch, and it complained of corrupt files and refused to |
| 00:58.19 | Legorol | which is started the whole thing for me |
| 00:58.24 | MentalPower | I was under the impression that it was over |
| 00:58.29 | Legorol | Shirik: aye, and he used to be insanely hard |
| 00:58.34 | Kaydeethree | the 2.2.0 PTR is over, the 2.2.2 PTR is on |
| 00:58.35 | Legorol | still is hard, but was a lot harder pre-nerf |
| 00:58.42 | Shirik | Yeah that was pretty hard |
| 00:58.50 | Shirik | though if it were any harder we never did use the innervate |
| 00:58.52 | MentalPower | ah, ok |
| 00:59.02 | Shirik | but I did have to use arcane torrent twice... |
| 00:59.06 | Shirik | and a mana pot |
| 01:04.53 | Kaydeethree | oh, useless. the 6:00, 18:00 event gives a +10% XP buff |
| 01:07.20 | bleeter | Iriel: memtest86+ ftw! (well, truth be told, memtest wasn't updated for ages until the start of this year, memtest86+ sorta became the defacto standard in memtest's absence... not really sure what the play is these days) |
| 01:08.37 | bleeter | Legorol: someone else in here last night was mumbling something along those lines (.2.2 PTR patcher complaining about corruption).. can't remember who, and my ISP died I think before I heard any outcome |
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| 01:10.00 | Legorol | according to US WoW techie forum, there's a microsoft tool too |
| 01:10.05 | Legorol | i'll try that as well as memtest |
| 01:10.06 | Legorol | bbl :) |
| 01:10.34 | Shirik | The Microsoft tool isn't entirely bad actually |
| 01:10.39 | Shirik | but I still like memtest better |
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| 01:16.54 | art3mis | http://www.geekologie.com/2007/09/man_recreates_eschers_relativi.php |
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| 01:37.06 | Kirov | Can a druid shape shift, log off, then log back in and tell me if PLAYER_AURAS_CHANGED fires before UPDATE_SHAPESHIFT_FORMS? |
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| 01:54.46 | Kaydeethree | wtf!? I reset my system clock about 5 hours ago and it's already off by 2 minutes |
| 01:54.54 | Kaydeethree | wonder if something's wrong with the kernel |
| 01:58.51 | Iriel | Linux? |
| 01:58.55 | Kaydeethree | ya |
| 01:58.57 | Iriel | Do you have an /etc/ntp.drift file? |
| 01:59.00 | Iriel | You may find it's bad |
| 01:59.24 | Iriel | (or whatever clock management tool you're using) |
| 02:01.32 | mikma | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycNd0AMmjEw |
| 02:02.28 | mikma | looks like thats gonna be a good movie :D |
| 02:04.41 | ScytheBlade1 | You may want to configure NTP too, if it isn't |
| 02:09.31 | Kaydeethree | I'm hacking around with fedora's gui tool right now. about to resort to man in a minute |
| 02:32.16 | art3mis | i dunno if its gonna be "good" |
| 02:32.27 | art3mis | but it certainly doesnt have the "suck" factor of the first one |
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| 03:14.56 | Tierrie_ | have you guys seen the trailers for halo 3? |
| 03:15.03 | Tierrie_ | i am not going to buy the game -- i don't have an xbox |
| 03:15.05 | Tierrie_ | but damn they are good |
| 03:15.23 | RogueShadow | I say the same thing about just about every game for any system, even PC. |
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| 03:16.30 | Dreadlorde | hello |
| 03:16.38 | Tierrie_ | ello |
| 03:16.54 | art3mis | cosole games are great though |
| 03:16.58 | art3mis | console |
| 03:17.05 | Tierrie_ | i never liked them |
| 03:17.07 | Tierrie_ | hate! |
| 03:17.08 | RogueShadow | I haven't even played Halo 2. |
| 03:17.17 | art3mis | depends on the style of games you like though |
| 03:17.25 | Tierrie_ | i like games that have women |
| 03:17.28 | Tierrie_ | and breasts |
| 03:17.28 | art3mis | some games are just more prone to being enjoyble on console |
| 03:17.29 | Tierrie_ | and real life |
| 03:17.39 | art3mis | so you watch a lot of porn? |
| 03:17.44 | Tierrie_ | pretty much |
| 03:17.54 | art3mis | cuz as a nerd that means you're socially inept |
| 03:18.01 | Tierrie_ | yup |
| 03:18.02 | RogueShadow | The games that are more enjoyable on console, can be just as enjoyable on pc... if you buy a nice gamepad. |
| 03:18.24 | art3mis | RogueShadow: i find a lot of games on PC are only fun if they requie a keyboard ;P |
| 03:18.42 | art3mis | a lot of games however deserve to be played on a tv screen while you lounge on the couch |
| 03:18.57 | Dreadlorde | like wow |
| 03:18.58 | RogueShadow | What I wouldn't give to do that with any game. |
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| 03:19.04 | art3mis | fps: are PC games |
| 03:19.18 | art3mis | racing is console |
| 03:19.23 | art3mis | that sorta break down |
| 03:19.35 | art3mis | crazy taxiu wouldnt be nearly as fun if it was on the PC |
| 03:20.33 | Thunder_Child | taxiu? |
| 03:20.39 | art3mis | -u |
| 03:20.50 | RogueShadow | I can see where your going. You have some good points. Agree. :) I just updated my graphics drivers. time to restart... |
| 03:21.11 | buu | art3mis: FPS and RTS and honestly most RPGs are PC games.. |
| 03:21.20 | buu | art3mis: And I find those to be really the only interesting genres. |
| 03:21.24 | RogueShadow | newer rpg's. |
| 03:21.27 | buu | I mean, God of War was great and all |
| 03:21.28 | art3mis | hehe i should get a REALLY long video cable and play on my 42" bravia |
| 03:21.39 | buu | RogueShadow: Damned if I'm going to dignify shit like final fantasy as an rpg. |
| 03:21.44 | RogueShadow | I really got into rpg's with a chance renting of Final Fantasy 6 |
| 03:21.52 | RogueShadow | hehe |
| 03:21.54 | art3mis | buu: true, some games are more controller couch oriented though |
| 03:22.17 | art3mis | speaking of which did you see the new game from the God of War people? |
| 03:22.19 | buu | "Oh look, my giant headed excessively cute hero has taken another three steps and launched another cut scene. I really feel enthralled in the action" |
| 03:22.38 | Dreadlorde | boo at FF. |
| 03:22.51 | RogueShadow | Strangely enough, I felt very caught up in the moments. I can't explain it. even when I go back and play some. |
| 03:23.13 | art3mis | some games are funny like that |
| 03:23.17 | art3mis | Disgaea is great |
| 03:23.35 | RogueShadow | Truth be told, first times can never be replaced. |
| 03:23.36 | buu | I tried ff7 the other day |
| 03:23.38 | Dreadlorde | runescape ftw! |
| 03:23.41 | buu | I think I got through most of the first disc |
| 03:23.50 | Dreadlorde | just kidding.. |
| 03:23.58 | RogueShadow | How many times have you bought a game because you "Had to have it" and a few months later, it's no big again and there's a new one. |
| 03:24.00 | buu | But after about the 10millionth fight, I can't take the 80 seconds required to zoom in and start a 3 second fight |
| 03:24.24 | buu | That's the nice thing about "CRPGS".. way less fighting arena... thingies. |
| 03:24.42 | RogueShadow | yeah. FF7's fights take too long. It is so annoying. |
| 03:24.56 | RogueShadow | I haven't played the latest FF game, no random encounters I hear. |
| 03:25.37 | buu | RogueShadow: That's because the only action you take is to press start.. the rest is all CG video. |
| 03:25.45 | buu | "It's like a game that's one giant cut scene!" |
| 03:26.02 | RogueShadow | haha, FF10 was totally like that. |
| 03:26.05 | RogueShadow | A movie you play. |
| 03:26.07 | RogueShadow | Sorta |
| 03:26.18 | RogueShadow | wait.. most of them are. |
| 03:26.32 | buu | RogueShadow: I just can't take the fighting system |
| 03:26.48 | RogueShadow | What kind of fighting system do you like? |
| 03:26.59 | Dreadlorde | WoW's fighting system |
| 03:27.03 | art3mis | yeah the whole 2 minute graphic display for a spe4ll is a tad annoying |
| 03:27.05 | buu | Ones where I just run by the level 1 monsters and shoot them in the face. |
| 03:27.14 | buu | .5 seconds from start to finish. |
| 03:27.51 | RogueShadow | I understand what your saying :) You shouldn't have to do a 2 min battle with a lvl 2 monster at lvl 99, just because of the cut scenish intro's spell's etc... |
| 03:28.12 | buu | Yes. |
| 03:28.16 | RogueShadow | Frankly, I think they were buying time to load crap. |
| 03:28.25 | buu | Pah. |
| 03:28.27 | RogueShadow | But the point remains the same. |
| 03:28.45 | buu | But hell, even when I was level 20 fighting level 20 monsters, the longest part of the fight was loading and unloading |
| 03:29.00 | buu | I mean, I'd hit it, hold down 'auto attack' or whatever, and wait for it to go away |
| 03:31.39 | RogueShadow | ya. If somebody doesn't remember doing that they are lying, or never beat the game. |
| 03:32.52 | buu | RogueShadow: I think my favorite rpg so far has been NWN |
| 03:33.00 | buu | I make no claims to be vastly experienced, but I quite like that one. |
| 03:33.23 | RogueShadow | Yeah, I like that also. Challenging as it is. But more likely i'm just not dedicated enough. |
| 03:33.25 | RogueShadow | I have it. |
| 03:33.57 | Dreadlorde | whats NWN stand for? |
| 03:34.03 | RogueShadow | Never Winter Nights |
| 03:34.03 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1778022047&sid=1 |
| 03:34.27 | Thunder_Child | isnt Neverwinter one word? |
| 03:34.39 | Thunder_Child | since it's the name of the town |
| 03:34.53 | buu | Yes. |
| 03:35.05 | buu | But we still like abbreviating it NWN |
| 03:35.21 | Thunder_Child | lazyness ftw |
| 03:35.38 | buu | Thunder_Child: That's pretty awesome. |
| 03:35.54 | RogueShadow | It's good to stick to abbreviations. Less mistakes. |
| 03:36.06 | Thunder_Child | Buu, wrong ping? |
| 03:36.31 | buu | Thunder_Child: Oh, yeah, I was aiming for ScytheBlade1 |
| 03:36.33 | RogueShadow | ScytheBlade1, share the laughter :) |
| 03:36.38 | Thunder_Child | thats what i thought |
| 03:36.50 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1778022047&sid=1 |
| 03:37.06 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm trying ;) |
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| 03:39.28 | art3mis | heh |
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| 04:02.07 | RogueShadow | Well, for reason's that shall remain unmentioned, the latest ATI drivers really don't work for me. |
| 04:02.42 | Kirov | RogueShadow - NVidia video card? |
| 04:02.58 | RogueShadow | Haha, sorry, it isn't that funny of a reason. |
| 04:03.16 | RogueShadow | If I had an nVidia card linux would have a much better chance of runningwow for me. |
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| 04:04.12 | RogueShadow | Either ATI drivers suck big time, or my present windows version isn't supported. |
| 04:04.17 | RogueShadow | could be both. |
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| 04:18.56 | Tierrie_ | what versions of windows are you using |
| 04:25.50 | Thunder_Child | ME lol |
| 04:26.28 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Kirkburn|sleep |
| 04:26.28 | purl | whacks Kirkburn|sleep upside the head |
| 04:26.51 | Kirkburn|sleep | Night night :) |
| 04:27.01 | Thunder_Child | night Kirkburn|sleep |
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| 04:30.59 | alestane | So does anyone know what the difference is between 02.20 and 0.2.2? Especially since the 0.2.0 client was able to connect to the 0.2.2 realm? |
| 04:31.18 | alestane | 02.20 was supposed to be 0.2.0 |
| 04:32.19 | Iriel | Content, I think |
| 04:32.47 | Codayus_ | 0.2.2 is the holiday content patch, I believe. Octoberfest and if they have time, haloween...something like that. |
| 04:33.01 | alestane | Cause they haven't released any notes or anything that I've been able to find. |
| 04:33.24 | Codayus_ | Would have been rolled into 2.3, but 2.2 took so long they didn't have time to get it out before the actual holidays in question. |
| 04:33.57 | alestane | As in new content for Hallow's Eve and whatever the memorial holiday was last year? |
| 04:35.12 | Codayus_ | Apparently. Someone found a broomstick mount model, although nobody knows if its intended as a temporary mount change, or for NPCs, or what. |
| 04:37.33 | Codayus_ | "The 2.2.2 Patch will contain new holiday content for October, first we intend to test Brewfest and then later Hallows-End, but this may change depending on our testing needs." |
| 04:37.43 | Codayus_ | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1778041031&pageNo=1&sid=1#0 |
| 04:42.07 | Shirik | Who the hell is this Velas guy? |
| 04:42.20 | Shirik | It seems like he just went to every post on the forums and wrote "No" and hit post |
| 04:42.27 | Shirik | nothing more, no explanation, just "No" |
| 04:42.37 | Shirik | I mean... he's right.... but come on |
| 04:43.18 | Cidan | aroo? |
| 04:51.51 | Shirik | aroo! |
| 04:59.36 | buu | Oh god |
| 05:01.05 | buu | Blizzard needs to hire the moderators from elitist jerks for their forums. Life would be amazing. |
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| 05:05.43 | Shirik | I don't know why but this is hilarious: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1778512247&postId=17777637909&sid=1#11 |
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| 05:13.30 | Olison | lol? http://www.rdx-raid.com/node/12 oRA2 but with a pricetag? |
| 05:14.06 | Olison | mm it seems a bit more elaborate |
| 05:14.43 | Olison | but still... :-D |
| 05:16.54 | cogwheel | Olison: very very very old news :P |
| 05:17.41 | Olison | just saw it on a sig in Shirik's link ;D |
| 05:17.45 | Olison | its hillarious! :P |
| 05:18.00 | cogwheel | oh and CTRA should be the baseline not ora2 :P |
| 05:18.05 | Shirik | not the same addon |
| 05:18.53 | Shirik | sorry Olison |
| 05:19.45 | Tem|AFK | *sigh* |
| 05:19.55 | Tem|AFK | 5 games of AB |
| 05:19.58 | Tem|AFK | all ended in 5 caps |
| 05:20.34 | Tem|AFK | (against me, naturally) |
| 05:21.08 | Olison | ;( |
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| 05:21.48 | Olison | ok so...2hr AV here, 30afkers, 10 half-awake peoply trying to get down drek, if i /afk, will i loose all the honor from that AV? |
| 05:22.00 | AnduinLothar | newly created frames are initially hidden, right? |
| 05:22.07 | cogwheel | no |
| 05:22.18 | AnduinLothar | shown, then? |
| 05:22.31 | cogwheel | but they aren't visible until you add stuff to them, give them a size and location |
| 05:23.19 | AnduinLothar | so, if i create a tooltip i don't have to hide it unless i immediately add content? |
| 05:24.08 | cogwheel | depends |
| 05:24.28 | AnduinLothar | inheriting from GameTooltipTemplate and not givign it a setpoint |
| 05:24.39 | cogwheel | does the template define a default anchor? |
| 05:24.59 | AnduinLothar | i don't have the code handy. |
| 05:25.07 | AnduinLothar | spose i could check wdn |
| 05:25.08 | cogwheel | most likely not so you should be ok |
| 05:25.41 | cogwheel | moo |
| 05:25.48 | cogwheel | vista runs so much better with 4gigs of ram |
| 05:25.58 | cogwheel | i'm down to two 'cause one of my sticks went bad |
| 05:26.07 | cogwheel | and i'm not sacrificing dual channel... |
| 05:26.07 | AnduinLothar | GameTooltipTemplate has no anchors |
| 05:26.51 | cogwheel | /should/ be invisible upon creation then |
| 05:31.07 | AnduinLothar | kthx |
| 05:31.28 | AnduinLothar | vista was ok with 2 on my machine |
| 05:31.50 | AnduinLothar | not super fast, but on par with os x |
| 05:32.05 | AnduinLothar | course i would love 4 |
| 05:32.07 | AnduinLothar | or 16 |
| 05:32.40 | AnduinLothar | but my ram is expensive self buffered >.< |
| 05:32.58 | FlAWD | all i saw out of that convo ... was vista .. and vista = shit |
| 05:33.00 | FlAWD | :) |
| 05:33.28 | AnduinLothar | and i'd kinda like another HD so i can set up a mirrored RAID |
| 05:33.30 | cogwheel | why shouldn't new operating systems take advantage of new techonolgy? |
| 05:33.52 | FlAWD | because it's microsoft |
| 05:33.54 | cogwheel | back on topic (read: not MS prejudice), I've been running with 4 gigs until this week |
| 05:34.07 | FlAWD | instead of new techonology .. they go for the visual aspect |
| 05:34.14 | cogwheel | (note i had typed that before your most recent comment) |
| 05:34.16 | FlAWD | look up a definition for vista |
| 05:34.20 | AnduinLothar | so, another cheep 250 gb sata drive is prolly next on my list, then more ram. |
| 05:34.33 | cogwheel | FlAWD: your reasoning is, well, FlAWD |
| 05:34.33 | FlAWD | get a WD drive :) |
| 05:34.41 | FlAWD | how cog? :P |
| 05:34.58 | AnduinLothar | meh, i think raid is sufficient. plus the 10ks are a bit louder |
| 05:35.09 | cogwheel | there's plenty of other stuff under the hood... obviously the visual aspects are the most noticeable. Why shouldn't they go all out? |
| 05:35.13 | FlAWD | vista is XP with 100s of visual enhansments ... and very few actual technical enchansments |
| 05:35.17 | AnduinLothar | not that i wouldnt' love a 10k, but they're also more pricey |
| 05:35.39 | AnduinLothar | 2 10ks i could raid would be ideal |
| 05:35.42 | FlAWD | at my computer at work i dual boot xp pro and vista business |
| 05:35.56 | cogwheel | FlAWD: the reasons I want to give you will just bait you into accusing MS of copying others |
| 05:35.59 | FlAWD | i can xfer from my comp to my server under xp at 11MB+ per second |
| 05:36.04 | cogwheel | imo, it's a good thing they copy others |
| 05:36.11 | cogwheel | they'd be idiots if they didn't |
| 05:36.13 | FlAWD | under vista I GET LESS THAN THREE MEGABYTES PER SECOND |
| 05:36.20 | AnduinLothar | I'm duel boot OS X 10.4 and Vista Business and have XP on VMWare |
| 05:36.48 | AnduinLothar | but that's mainly for browser compat tests |
| 05:37.01 | cogwheel | vista's fine. I'm just annoyed that my memory stick went bad |
| 05:37.02 | AnduinLothar | and occational vista gaming |
| 05:37.16 | FlAWD | oh |
| 05:37.21 | FlAWD | about games |
| 05:37.31 | AnduinLothar | a lot of my old games don't work |
| 05:37.31 | FlAWD | under XP i get 40FPS in wow at work |
| 05:37.40 | FlAWD | I GET TEN FPS UNDER VISTA |
| 05:37.51 | FlAWD | with all visual aspects turned off in vista |
| 05:38.01 | cogwheel | driver problem imo |
| 05:38.07 | AnduinLothar | ya |
| 05:38.07 | FlAWD | bullshjit |
| 05:38.14 | cogwheel | with desktop composition turned off, i get about the same framerate |
| 05:38.17 | cogwheel | as in xp |
| 05:38.21 | FlAWD | nvidia 6800GT |
| 05:38.31 | cogwheel | nvidia 8800GTS :P |
| 05:38.40 | FlAWD | both nvidia drivers |
| 05:38.45 | FlAWD | shouldnt make a difference |
| 05:38.48 | FlAWD | vista sucks |
| 05:39.09 | FlAWD | the latest fix for vista stated in plain english "fix for memory leaks" |
| 05:39.19 | cogwheel | so? |
| 05:39.24 | cogwheel | have you ever written an OS? |
| 05:39.25 | FlAWD | so they fucked up |
| 05:39.28 | FlAWD | no |
| 05:39.34 | FlAWD | but vista is horrid |
| 05:39.39 | FlAWD | it took them 3 years to get XP right |
| 05:39.43 | cogwheel | Have there never been patches for Linux to fix memory leaks? |
| 05:39.53 | FlAWD | of course there has |
| 05:39.58 | cogwheel | so what's your point? |
| 05:39.59 | FlAWD | and they've been very quick |
| 05:40.08 | AnduinLothar | heh, you should have seen Mac OS 10.1 and 10.2 |
| 05:40.14 | FlAWD | vista memory fix took 6 fucking months |
| 05:40.16 | AnduinLothar | memory hogs |
| 05:40.34 | cogwheel | anti-microsoft zealotry is still zealotry... |
| 05:40.41 | AnduinLothar | 10.2 was better but not great. it took till 10.3 for them to get memory management right |
| 05:40.44 | FlAWD | i'm not anti microsoft |
| 05:40.49 | FlAWD | though i don't like them |
| 05:40.51 | FlAWD | i run XP |
| 05:40.56 | cogwheel | [22:33]<FlAWD>because it's microsoft |
| 05:40.57 | FlAWD | but anti Vista i am |
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| 05:41.13 | FlAWD | right i don't like microsoft .. but there's no way around them |
| 05:41.27 | AnduinLothar | lies |
| 05:41.34 | FlAWD | but vista was rushed out too soon .. and they didn't continue on longhorn like they should have |
| 05:41.58 | cogwheel | longhorn = vista |
| 05:42.08 | AnduinLothar | they really should have done the new file system liek they said |
| 05:42.23 | cogwheel | and there were just as many people bitching that it took to long as there are bitching that it came out too soon |
| 05:42.26 | FlAWD | NO COG |
| 05:42.29 | AnduinLothar | that was one thing i was looking forward too was an updated filesystem |
| 05:42.31 | FlAWD | YOU'RE WRONG |
| 05:42.35 | FlAWD | VISTA IS NOT LONGHORN |
| 05:42.36 | FlAWD | AT ALL |
| 05:42.38 | FlAWD | :P |
| 05:42.40 | cogwheel | 'least i don't type in all caps |
| 05:42.42 | cogwheel | :P |
| 05:42.46 | FlAWD | i do sometimes |
| 05:42.50 | FlAWD | to show emotion and anger |
| 05:42.59 | cogwheel | FlAWD: it's the same situation with WoW patches |
| 05:43.01 | FlAWD | longhorn was based on the new filesystem |
| 05:43.12 | FlAWD | which they never implimented |
| 05:43.14 | cogwheel | everybody bitched that 2.2 took too long |
| 05:43.17 | FlAWD | so longhorn is no more |
| 05:43.24 | cogwheel | FlAWD: that's entirely backwards |
| 05:43.37 | cogwheel | WinFS was a /feature/ that they intended to include in longhorn |
| 05:43.44 | cogwheel | which was the code name for what is now vista |
| 05:44.00 | FlAWD | still win FS was the basis |
| 05:44.03 | cogwheel | the file system does not an operating system define |
| 05:44.19 | FlAWD | of course |
| 05:44.21 | cogwheel | by ANY stretch of the imagination |
| 05:44.36 | FlAWD | but the biggest thing about longhorn was WinFS for most people |
| 05:44.39 | FlAWD | and it was abandoned |
| 05:44.59 | cogwheel | saying winfs was the basis of longhorn is like saying ext3 is the basis of (insert fedora version that was released before ext3 existed) |
| 05:45.11 | cogwheel | s/before/immediately after/ |
| 05:45.36 | Corrodias | okay, Bloodlust is OP. :o |
| 05:45.42 | FlAWD | the first operating system that implements a new filesystem, i'd have to say is the basis of said operating system |
| 05:45.56 | cogwheel | just because it was the feature of longhorn you (and others) were most looking forward to does not make it the basis of the os |
| 05:46.22 | FlAWD | ANYWAY... im saying vista is shit .. especially with file managment .. read/write |
| 05:46.23 | cogwheel | so by that logic, NTFS was the defining feature of XP over 9x? |
| 05:46.59 | FlAWD | how can i get 11-12MB/sec under XP pro over a network xfer and only get 2MB/sec in vista? why? because vista is shit. end of story. |
| 05:47.02 | cogwheel | FlAWD: L2ReadyBoost imo :P |
| 05:47.19 | FlAWD | l2stfu and stop being a MS fanboy |
| 05:47.41 | cogwheel | who says i'm a fanboy? I use vista. it's not shit. You have one specific complaint about it, and i have some too |
| 05:47.49 | Olison | hahha readboost :-D ... marketing-department ftw. |
| 05:47.50 | cogwheel | that doesn't make the whole thing shit. |
| 05:48.09 | cogwheel | it works... |
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| 05:48.16 | cogwheel | which is why they marketed it... |
| 05:48.20 | FlAWD | it does work ill give you that |
| 05:48.36 | FlAWD | but the major parts that i use personally ... work like shit |
| 05:48.36 | cogwheel | Slide guitars give me a headache |
| 05:48.42 | FlAWD | i do a lot of network transfers |
| 05:48.43 | Tem|AFK | FlAWD, if you were in my channel, you'd have just gotten a kick for being a loudmouthed jackass |
| 05:48.45 | cogwheel | that doesn't mean i can go around saying country music is shit |
| 05:49.32 | cogwheel | FlAWD: in that case, "Vista is shit /for my most common usage scenario/" would be more appropriate |
| 05:49.43 | FlAWD | ill go with that |
| 05:49.52 | Cairenn | given that I've just come into the channel - behave guys |
| 05:49.55 | cogwheel | the typical user isn't copying loads of files across networks |
| 05:50.02 | FlAWD | for the average user that goes on myspace and checks their email vista is fine |
| 05:50.02 | cogwheel | ~hug Cairenn |
| 05:50.03 | purl | ACTION hugs Cairenn |
| 05:50.05 | FlAWD | for me .. i hate it |
| 05:50.15 | cogwheel | FlAWD: better :) |
| 05:50.23 | FlAWD | :) |
| 05:50.43 | FlAWD | i make friends MUCH better than enemys :) |
| 05:50.56 | cogwheel | i hate it when people use blanket statements because of one particular pet peeve. it's fine if you hate something because it doesn't do what you want, but for most people (and I don't mean just myspace lusers) vista is fine |
| 05:51.11 | FlAWD | so there we go ... for my implications i hate vista and i want it to burn in hell .. but for the average user its ... ok |
| 05:52.20 | cogwheel | you're not getting my New Belgium 1554 |
| 05:52.26 | FlAWD | lol |
| 05:52.40 | Esamynn | cogwheel: VISTA is a spawn of the DEVIL!!! |
| 05:52.46 | cogwheel | Esamynn: /agree |
| 05:52.51 | FlAWD | rofl |
| 05:52.58 | FlAWD | see i'm not the only one :P |
| 05:53.00 | cogwheel | but so is premarital sex |
| 05:53.03 | cogwheel | :P |
| 05:53.12 | Esamynn | ~sigh cogwheel |
| 05:53.13 | purl | ACTION sighs, rolls its eyes and shakes its head, "cogwheel!" |
| 05:54.22 | FlAWD | well as long as we're in agreement |
| 05:54.25 | FlAWD | i'm going to bed |
| 05:54.26 | cogwheel | damn you FlAWD... i have to start over on my ram rma application 'cause it timed out :P |
| 05:54.35 | FlAWD | rofl sorry |
| 05:54.36 | Esamynn | lol |
| 05:54.37 | FlAWD | :) |
| 05:54.39 | cogwheel | hehe |
| 05:54.47 | FlAWD | t'was a good debate though :D |
| 05:55.11 | art3mis | i love the bbspot article |
| 05:55.22 | art3mis | about how sp1 for vista will just install XP |
| 05:55.28 | FlAWD | i got a good comic for you to see cog .. lemme find it |
| 05:57.51 | AnduinLothar | 2.2 has the same toc 20100, right? |
| 05:58.05 | AnduinLothar | or is it finally 20200 |
| 05:58.21 | Cairenn | should be 20200, shouldn't it? |
| 05:58.24 | Esamynn | I'm sure it will be 20200 |
| 05:58.28 | AnduinLothar | no idea, never looked |
| 05:58.37 | FlAWD | http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comic.php?d=20070331 |
| 05:58.41 | FlAWD | :) |
| 05:59.02 | Iriel | its 20200 |
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| 05:59.23 | AnduinLothar | thx iriel, that's also what http://wdn.wowinterface.com/ says now that i look at it |
| 05:59.26 | FlAWD | i actually have that comic printed out and on the wall at work for all to see |
| 05:59.43 | FlAWD | (i run a comp repair shop) |
| 06:00.20 | cogwheel | FlAWD: trying to find a post i made a couple days ago that should amuse you :P |
| 06:00.33 | FlAWD | can't wait hehe :) |
| 06:01.13 | cogwheel | ~lart blizzard's forum search |
| 06:01.13 | purl | calls blizzard's forum search on the phone ... the lights are on but nobody's home |
| 06:01.31 | FlAWD | shit the GF went to bed without telling me .... she's mad or something |
| 06:01.36 | FlAWD | PM the link to me cog |
| 06:01.39 | FlAWD | i gotta run |
| 06:01.40 | cogwheel | gl |
| 06:01.46 | FlAWD | g'nite |
| 06:01.55 | AnduinLothar | they're always mad |
| 06:02.04 | cogwheel | FlAWD: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1762956753&postId=17625682848&sid=1#6 |
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| 06:03.26 | FlAWD | lol nice cog |
| 06:03.28 | FlAWD | :) |
| 06:03.32 | FlAWD | g'nite!! |
| 06:03.42 | cogwheel | nn |
| 06:03.50 | Kirov | Damn, he has problems keeping women from going to bed, I have problems getting mine in to bed |
| 06:04.25 | cogwheel | :P |
| 06:04.49 | Kirov | Sadly, I'm actually serious. When my girl is upset, I can't get her to stop playing WoW and get some sleep. |
| 06:05.46 | cogwheel | Cairenn: i do that too >< |
| 06:06.12 | Kirov | Anyone on play a druid? |
| 06:06.20 | Kirov | and have devtools or warmup installed |
| 06:06.23 | AnduinLothar | can someone test my latest GuildNotesTooltip? I don't have wow here... |
| 06:06.30 | AnduinLothar | wonder if dcc works.. |
| 06:06.33 | Kirov | al - send it over |
| 06:06.39 | Kirov | or try |
| 06:06.47 | Kirov | trillian can be a little weird |
| 06:06.58 | Tain | I was at a friend's house tonight and his six year old son was explaining to me how WoW works as he showed off his level 26 Mage. |
| 06:07.54 | Kirov | I have such a hard time when other people's kids do that to be and they're completely off the mark. |
| 06:08.06 | Kirov | My cousins, I just lay in to them. "Um, no. You're idiots." |
| 06:08.33 | AnduinLothar | he's six tho |
| 06:08.44 | AnduinLothar | i take it you didn't get that kirov |
| 06:08.50 | AnduinLothar | the dcc |
| 06:08.55 | Kirov | nien |
| 06:09.04 | Tain | The only thing I cringed at was when he logged on a different character to show me and destroyed the "gift" package you get from the original special edition. (Mini Diablo, Zergling, or Panda pet.) |
| 06:09.07 | Kirov | al - get that? |
| 06:09.36 | AnduinLothar | ya |
| 06:09.52 | AnduinLothar | >.< |
| 06:10.02 | AnduinLothar | don't you onyl get that on 1 char? |
| 06:11.42 | Cairenn | ss or it didn't happen |
| 06:11.47 | Esamynn | AnduinLothar: no, the collector's edition pets you get on EVERY character on that account |
| 06:12.22 | Kirov | Cairenn - which server are the wowi guilds on (in the ptr) |
| 06:12.32 | Cairenn | none on ptr |
| 06:12.34 | Tain | Poor kid, he doesn't understand. He said, "It's just a stupid pet." |
| 06:12.47 | Kirov | doh |
| 06:12.55 | Esamynn | Tain: :( |
| 06:13.34 | AnduinLothar | a stupid collectable pet that cost money and takes up precious bag space |
| 06:13.41 | Tain | I have to say though, I watched him play for a little while and he was doing better than some people I've raided with over the years. |
| 06:13.46 | Cairenn | Kirov: link to the pic :p |
| 06:14.12 | Kirov | al - hmm... lack of guild makes this difficult. |
| 06:14.18 | AnduinLothar | lol |
| 06:14.20 | AnduinLothar | gg |
| 06:14.48 | AnduinLothar | fine w/e imma just upload untested code. aint the first time |
| 06:15.01 | Tem | why does it even matter? |
| 06:15.07 | Tem | the PTRs are down, aren't they? |
| 06:15.14 | Esamynn | indeed they are |
| 06:15.24 | AnduinLothar | it should work fine on live |
| 06:15.35 | Kirov | al - I'll try it there |
| 06:15.46 | Kirov | tem - I'm on the pvp realm |
| 06:15.56 | AnduinLothar | i just gave it the 20200 toc cause i'm too lazy to update ti again on ttuesday |
| 06:16.21 | AnduinLothar | esp considerign ym last update was like 2005 |
| 06:16.59 | Tierrie_ | what was the MSRP on the WoW BC Collector's Edition |
| 06:17.18 | Kirov | Tierrie_ - $65? |
| 06:17.23 | Tierrie_ | thanks |
| 06:17.31 | AnduinLothar | Maziel posted a fix on 05-04-2007 and i can't jsut let it sit liek that forever. i have to make it better than he did |
| 06:18.16 | Kirov | al - works |
| 06:18.23 | AnduinLothar | besides, it has liek 500+ d/l's maybe someone lieks it |
| 06:18.34 | AnduinLothar | and that' smore dl's than some people's addosn get.. |
| 06:18.50 | AnduinLothar | damn my typing's bad tonight |
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| 06:19.24 | Kirov | When "fan" patches to addons get more downloads than most ... yeah |
| 06:19.41 | Kirov | al - so, an oddity |
| 06:19.41 | AnduinLothar | nah he didn't even make a post |
| 06:19.42 | AnduinLothar | er |
| 06:19.43 | AnduinLothar | patch |
| 06:19.56 | Kirov | al - It's getting an error in "MoneyFrame.lua" |
| 06:20.00 | AnduinLothar | he only posted how to update it |
| 06:20.08 | AnduinLothar | O.o? |
| 06:20.41 | AnduinLothar | is that cause i didn't hide the tooltip..? |
| 06:20.56 | Kirov | let me track it down |
| 06:21.21 | AnduinLothar | cog said i didn't have to! it's his fault! |
| 06:21.38 | cogwheel | ? |
| 06:21.57 | AnduinLothar | some tooltip error |
| 06:22.00 | Kirov | Damn it cogwheel, stop causing AnduinLothar to break things |
| 06:22.03 | cogwheel | all i said is that it wouldn't be visible :P |
| 06:22.17 | AnduinLothar | but it errors! |
| 06:22.21 | AnduinLothar | unacceptable! |
| 06:22.23 | cogwheel | nmp :P |
| 06:23.52 | Kirov | wow, unhappy addon |
| 06:24.01 | AnduinLothar | QQ! |
| 06:24.12 | AnduinLothar | what's it complaining about? |
| 06:25.05 | AnduinLothar | does it error onload or when you hover over the guild member frames? |
| 06:25.42 | Kirov | http://wdn.wowinterface.com/code/2126803/FrameXML/MoneyFrame.lua |
| 06:25.43 | Kirov | local gold = floor(money / (COPPER_PER_SILVER * SILVER_PER_GOLD)); |
| 06:25.55 | Kirov | "local money (a nil value0" |
| 06:26.58 | Kirov | I think it's a name collision issue |
| 06:27.03 | AnduinLothar | is called on every MoneyFrame_OnEvent() apparently |
| 06:27.20 | Kirov | You have GameTooltip in the xml and the lua |
| 06:27.24 | AnduinLothar | and i bet there's one of those on GameTooltipTemplate |
| 06:27.26 | Kirov | with the same name |
| 06:27.36 | AnduinLothar | oh... oops |
| 06:27.42 | AnduinLothar | delete the xml |
| 06:30.12 | AnduinLothar | and yes. GameTooltipTemplate has a SmallMoneyFrameTemplate on it which requires it to be hidden so it doesn't catch events |
| 06:30.43 | AnduinLothar | lame |
| 06:31.00 | Kirov | AnduinLothar - why use GameTooltipTemplate? |
| 06:31.12 | AnduinLothar | i don't remember |
| 06:31.37 | AnduinLothar | does the normal GameTooltip have the border specified already? |
| 06:31.38 | Kirov | removing the name collision doesn't solve it |
| 06:32.04 | AnduinLothar | right the issue is that it's jsut shown when the money event fires |
| 06:32.16 | AnduinLothar | ok imma send you a new vers |
| 06:32.44 | Kirov | woops, was editing the version in wowtest |
| 06:32.52 | Kirov | no wonder nothing was fixing it |
| 06:33.12 | Kirov | no xml == fixored! |
| 06:34.01 | AnduinLothar | ok try this. replace the createframe with: CreateFrame("GameTooltip", "GuildNotesTooltip", UIParent):Hide() |
| 06:34.27 | AnduinLothar | and check that it still works |
| 06:34.41 | Kirov | well, i guess my real question is why not just using the existing GameTooltip |
| 06:34.58 | AnduinLothar | cause i dn't liek hijackign it |
| 06:35.41 | AnduinLothar | tho i spose it doesn't stay open when you leave the frame.. |
| 06:35.44 | Kirov | so, GameTooltipTemplate is required |
| 06:35.48 | AnduinLothar | and you can't rly mouse over anythign else |
| 06:35.58 | Kirov | for it to show |
| 06:36.08 | AnduinLothar | try removing the Hide part |
| 06:37.12 | Kirov | :Hide() w/ GameTooltipTemplate works |
| 06:37.28 | Kirov | w/o gameTooltipTemplate and w/o Hide fails |
| 06:37.42 | AnduinLothar | k thx |
| 06:37.46 | Kirov | GameTooltips don't even have fontstrings by default |
| 06:37.54 | Tierrie_ | i hate ebay |
| 06:38.03 | Tierrie_ | it keeps telling me "You cannot sell virtual game items" |
| 06:38.16 | Tierrie_ | I am trying to sell some of my unopened BC Collector's Edition :( |
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| 06:38.26 | Tierrie_ | anyone wants one ? :) |
| 06:38.31 | Tierrie_ | its unopened unused and stuff |
| 06:39.06 | Kirov | Tierrie_ - meh, have one already |
| 06:40.28 | Kirov | al - just axe the XML and be done with it |
| 06:40.30 | AnduinLothar | plus kirov: people hook the shit out of GameTooltip |
| 06:40.53 | Kirov | this is true |
| 06:41.03 | AnduinLothar | like equip compare and informant |
| 06:41.14 | AnduinLothar | dont need any of that |
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| 06:43.23 | AnduinLothar | Kirov, can you ss it? |
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| 06:45.07 | Cairenn | you didn't know about that change Tierrie_? they put that in quite a while ago because they were sick of people, and the game companies, bitching at them all the time |
| 06:45.14 | AnduinLothar | So I was kinda baffled as to why http://www.curse.com/downloads/details/3439/ had so few downloads.... but then i realized I never put up a screenshot. |
| 06:45.37 | Cairenn | people ebaying characters, etc - the game companies kept threatening law suits, etc |
| 06:46.18 | AnduinLothar | while the wowi one with a ss has 700+ d/l's |
| 06:46.20 | AnduinLothar | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5143-ReputationMenu.html |
| 06:46.49 | Kirov | I love the fact that the recently sold lvl 70 rogue that went for around $9k ... was banned |
| 06:46.58 | AnduinLothar | ouch |
| 06:47.12 | AnduinLothar | that hurts |
| 06:47.39 | Tierrie_ | Cairenn: I knew about the change, I know they can't sell virtual items |
| 06:47.48 | Tierrie_ | Cairenn: But I see loads of actual, real, WoW BC games |
| 06:47.53 | Cairenn | yeah, I know |
| 06:48.03 | Tierrie_ | and I'm trying to sell mine, I don't know how they got theirs listed |
| 06:48.13 | Tierrie_ | Some sort of tricksyness |
| 06:48.18 | Cairenn | their enforcement tends to be rather spotty |
| 06:48.20 | AnduinLothar | keywords |
| 06:48.24 | cncfanatics | hello peeps |
| 06:49.09 | Tierrie_ | i want to start putitng curse words in my listing |
| 06:49.49 | Kirov | al - that's actually one thing about the Ace community that I hate. Yes, a lot of the mods they have are command line only, and yes any screenshot of them would be just of the command line options ... but _something_ is better than nothing. It's not about the fact that users are seeing a screenshot of text, it's about the fact that most users look at the screenshot for the "description" of a mod. No screenshot and they're not even |
| 06:49.51 | Tierrie_ | oh look, magic |
| 06:49.58 | Tierrie_ | it is going to be listed now |
| 06:50.20 | Tierrie_ | haha Bold = $1.00 |
| 06:50.30 | Tierrie_ | that is the most expensive <b>word</b> ever :( |
| 06:51.43 | Kirov | That and the complete and utter lack of discriptions of any kind for the mass majority of Ace addons |
| 06:51.55 | AnduinLothar | any reason why this would be the wrong rep rank in french but not english? |
| 06:51.57 | AnduinLothar | local gender = UnitSex("player"); |
| 06:52.02 | AnduinLothar | standingLabel = GetText("FACTION_STANDING_LABEL"..standingID, gender) |
| 06:52.38 | Kirov | AnduinLothar - in france women always get more rep? |
| 06:53.16 | Kirov | That and unique ranks for the french women |
| 06:53.16 | AnduinLothar | name, description, standingID = GetFactionInfo(i) of ocurse |
| 06:53.34 | AnduinLothar | rly? |
| 06:53.34 | Kirov | "Bitch" == "Friendly", etc |
| 06:53.38 | AnduinLothar | lol |
| 06:53.49 | AnduinLothar | ^^ irl L.O.L. |
| 06:53.53 | Kirov | Escort for Exalted |
| 06:54.18 | AnduinLothar | shut up kiriv. anyone got a real idea? |
| 06:55.58 | AnduinLothar | hmm, maybe the i is off |
| 06:56.09 | Tierrie_ | ARGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH |
| 06:56.11 | Thunder_Child | UnitSex...why does that sound like "Military Orgy" |
| 06:57.36 | Kirov | Thunder_Child - you must like women in army boots |
| 06:57.50 | Thunder_Child | only if they know how to use them |
| 06:58.12 | Kirov | Honestly, I hate most french users. |
| 06:59.18 | AnduinLothar | so, kirov. SS? |
| 06:59.22 | Kirov | Germans, Koreans, super helpful. Usually fix the mod for you and send it your way. |
| 06:59.40 | Kirov | AnduinLothar - hmm? |
| 06:59.46 | AnduinLothar | of GNT |
| 07:00.01 | AnduinLothar | can you ss the tooltip open on some guild member |
| 07:00.06 | AnduinLothar | and send it to me |
| 07:00.09 | AnduinLothar | or host it |
| 07:00.19 | Tierrie_ | i am getting a headache |
| 07:00.19 | Kirov | lol |
| 07:01.12 | AnduinLothar | need an updated one. all i have is http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/full1136&tnow=1190528350.jpg |
| 07:01.49 | cogwheel | Iriel: ping |
| 07:01.49 | AnduinLothar | that's even the guild i was in in 2005 |
| 07:02.14 | Iriel | hm? |
| 07:02.45 | cogwheel | what attribute do i set to call a function whenever a state change occurs? |
| 07:02.45 | Tierrie_ | who lives realy far from me? |
| 07:02.47 | Tierrie_ | like new york |
| 07:02.53 | Srosh | !c eu forscherliga finamo |
| 07:02.55 | ThraeBot | Srosh: Finamo, Level 70 Tauren Warrior (3/0/58). 11439 HP; 12657 Armour; 900 AP; 143.900 Melee DPS; 5.43% melee crit; 25 melee hit; 332 defense; 16.34% dodge; 23.50% block; 3 resilience; 10 nature resist (+10);[[ TBR: 882 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/26e7o9 ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2rlgsx ][ Updated: Sun Sep 23 03:17:08 2007 EST ]] |
| 07:02.58 | Kirov | al - check your e-mail |
| 07:03.09 | Shirik | cogwheel: It's script OnAttributechanged |
| 07:03.12 | cogwheel | or do i define a method for the state header? |
| 07:03.13 | bleeter | ThraeBot: I live in Hobart, Tasmania, Australia... that far enough? |
| 07:03.15 | Shirik | OnAttributeChanged* |
| 07:03.24 | Shirik | iirc |
| 07:03.26 | cogwheel | Shirik: that's a bit overzealous |
| 07:03.32 | Shirik | it works :) |
| 07:03.36 | cogwheel | granted... |
| 07:03.46 | bleeter | s/thraebot/tierrie_/ |
| 07:03.59 | cogwheel | but this is for action button updating so efficiency is important |
| 07:04.12 | cogwheel | i suppose i could check whether it's the state attribute |
| 07:04.21 | Iriel | self.OnStateChanged, I think |
| 07:04.29 | Iriel | there's a function it's called from the OnAttributeChanged handler in the header |
| 07:05.06 | Kirov | I don't suppose anyone here uses SimpleMountEquip |
| 07:05.09 | AnduinLothar | thx kirov |
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| 07:05.43 | Srosh | !c eu forscherliga Pogun |
| 07:05.46 | ThraeBot | Srosh: Pogun, Level 70 Blood Elf Paladin (0/49/12). 9557 HP; 6993 Mana; 129 mana regen; 23 mp5; 11003 Armour; 772 AP; 101.300 Melee DPS; 5.51% melee crit; 3 spell crit; 16 spell hit; 397 +spell dmg/heal; 75 defense; 6.65% dodge; 7.04% block;[[ TBR: 811 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2zaae8 ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2jl2oq ][ Updated: Sun Sep 23 03:19:59 2007 EST ]] |
| 07:05.58 | cogwheel | Shirik: no |
| 07:06.05 | Shirik | close enough to make me feel good ^^ |
| 07:06.08 | cogwheel | the OAC handler is part of the state header |
| 07:06.14 | Srosh | !c eu forscherliga silvereye |
| 07:06.17 | ThraeBot | Srosh: Silvereye, Level 70 Tauren Shaman (0/5/56). 7317 HP; 9726 Mana; 222 mana regen; 93 mp5; 8547 Armour; 4.03% melee crit; 46 spell crit; 204 +spell dmg; 1455 +heal; 4.03% dodge; 5.00% block; 10 nature resist (+10);[[ TBR: 762 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/23nsu8 ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2wxj27 ][ Updated: Sun Sep 23 03:20:30 2007 EST ]] |
| 07:06.24 | AnduinLothar | =D http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info4252-GuildNotesTooltip.html |
| 07:06.45 | AnduinLothar | it feels good to fix the addont hat was 2 yrs old and sitting ont he 4th page of my addon list... |
| 07:06.55 | cogwheel | Iriel: ah: self:StateChanged(newState) thanks :) |
| 07:07.27 | Shirik | AnduinLothar: You know what would be really cool |
| 07:07.35 | Shirik | if that page didn't render as 3 times my screen width |
| 07:07.56 | AnduinLothar | lol |
| 07:08.07 | AnduinLothar | whine at dolby |
| 07:08.37 | AnduinLothar | he still hasn't fixed the bug on my addon page that says i have 3 pages but if you click "last" it goes to the 4th page |
| 07:09.02 | bleeter | he still ain't formatting the Last Modified header as per RFCs, either |
| 07:09.19 | Shirik | meh |
| 07:09.20 | Kirov | It's weird, half of the addons I've made have been integrated in to WoW |
| 07:09.29 | Shirik | RFCs, by definition, aren't accepted 100% anyway :P |
| 07:09.35 | Shirik | They are a request for comments :P |
| 07:09.46 | AnduinLothar | i've had more integrated prolly, but half of 60 would be a lot |
| 07:09.48 | bleeter | Kirov: your arse will be laminated! |
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| 07:10.14 | bleeter | Shirik: yeah, well there's three formats, various RFCs.. WoWI's d/l handler uses something else :P |
| 07:10.15 | Kirov | bleeter - unlikely |
| 07:10.50 | Kirov | bleeter - it does bug me, but only in that "damn it, I have an addon on my list I _can't_ update" way |
| 07:10.52 | AnduinLothar | ~staple Guillotine |
| 07:10.52 | purl | ACTION attaches a staple gun to a pneumatic nail gun via duct tape, staples Guillotine quite well, and hands Guillotine to anduinlothar |
| 07:11.37 | AnduinLothar | delete um kirov |
| 07:11.45 | Kirov | AnduinLothar - wish I could. |
| 07:11.51 | AnduinLothar | i've gone and deleted all my obsolete addons off curse |
| 07:12.02 | AnduinLothar | bug cair to delete um |
| 07:12.07 | AnduinLothar | wait |
| 07:12.13 | AnduinLothar | there's a delete function on wowi |
| 07:12.22 | Kirov | AnduinLothar - there's a delete on curse now? |
| 07:12.33 | AnduinLothar | on both |
| 07:13.02 | AnduinLothar | go to edit. on curse it's ont he left collumn. wowi it's on the top |
| 07:13.29 | Kirov | yay |
| 07:13.38 | AnduinLothar | oh and kirov, how can you stand SocialMods. that addon drives me batty |
| 07:13.57 | Kirov | SocialMods? |
| 07:14.13 | AnduinLothar | you have the lil SocialMods notes on your guild frame |
| 07:14.49 | AnduinLothar | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/full9457.jpg |
| 07:15.33 | Kirov | That's CT_Core |
| 07:15.49 | AnduinLothar | >.< is that an ingame texture? |
| 07:16.05 | AnduinLothar | cause it's the same one SocialMods uses |
| 07:16.10 | AnduinLothar | int he same place |
| 07:16.15 | Kirov | Yeah, I believe it is |
| 07:16.20 | Esamynn | yes, it is |
| 07:16.38 | AnduinLothar | hmmm |
| 07:16.40 | Kirov | I never click on those, heh |
| 07:16.43 | AnduinLothar | someone fails |
| 07:17.45 | AnduinLothar | i feel bad deleting an obsolete addons with a bunch of addons. it's liek manually deflating my ego |
| 07:17.46 | Guillotine | why did noone tell me of xkcd sooner? All of you who knew and didn't share suck |
| 07:18.09 | AnduinLothar | bunch of downlaods* |
| 07:18.25 | art3mis | any neat new addons? |
| 07:18.39 | Kirov | AnduinLothar - Yeah, I'm not going to delete LootLink Enhanced |
| 07:19.00 | Guillotine | AL: on curse its better to just mark it as discontinued. it ceases to appear on searches and stuff, but if someone wants to look at it for coding purposes, its still there |
| 07:19.03 | Kirov | When (if) I release ItemCatalog I plan on using the original LootLink Enhanced pages as my launching point |
| 07:19.37 | AnduinLothar | yeah... i deleted the MobileFrames page. nto sure that was a good idea |
| 07:19.47 | Kirov | Guillotine - now what I don't understand is when out of date addons, sometimes a year old, still get hundreds of downloads a day |
| 07:19.59 | bleeter | private servers |
| 07:20.05 | Guillotine | Kirov: the authors havn't marked them as discontinued. But if you show me one, I'll mark it |
| 07:20.08 | Guillotine | if it doesn't work anymore |
| 07:20.32 | Kirov | Guillotine - I'm talking about my addon that I _have_ marked as disabled |
| 07:20.36 | Kirov | heh |
| 07:20.40 | Guillotine | o.O |
| 07:20.43 | Guillotine | which one? |
| 07:20.48 | Kirov | LootLink Enhanced |
| 07:20.52 | Kirov | It's down to only 20 hits a day |
| 07:20.58 | Kirov | down from a couple thousand |
| 07:21.35 | Guillotine | hmm. appears discontinued addons are showing up on search again |
| 07:21.39 | Guillotine | I'll bug people about that :P |
| 07:22.38 | AnduinLothar | Guil: go put ConsisTint as the mod of the day. it only has a measly 500+ d/l's and we know how much that gets asked abotu on the forums |
| 07:22.51 | Kirov | lol |
| 07:22.56 | Cairenn|afk | night guys |
| 07:23.00 | Esamynn | good night Cairenn|afk |
| 07:23.16 | art3mis | ni ni cairenn |
| 07:23.27 | AnduinLothar | It stores channel colors by name instead of number. Who DOESN'T want that?! |
| 07:23.31 | art3mis | hrm that would be an awesome "addon" |
| 07:23.44 | Guillotine | AL: don't tell anyone, but I'm pretty sure the 'addon of the day' is automated based on downloads >.> |
| 07:23.51 | bleeter | gnight Cairenn|afk |
| 07:23.51 | Guillotine | but I'll see if I can manually add it |
| 07:23.56 | AnduinLothar | NOOOOOOOOOO! |
| 07:23.59 | AnduinLothar | lame |
| 07:24.23 | AnduinLothar | it's sposed to be based on some unknown addon that is awesome and needs more publicist |
| 07:24.23 | Kirov | AnduinLothar - you think someone actually picks that? |
| 07:24.30 | art3mis | have a raid frame overlay that shows a timer from 5->0 on each person that has an expiring hot/buff |
| 07:24.42 | Kirov | the old ui.worldofwar.net "addon of the day" used to show as the addon I _just uploaded_ |
| 07:24.46 | Guillotine | AL: but I can put it in the 'addon update' weekly column |
| 07:24.52 | Guillotine | that highlights good addons |
| 07:25.01 | art3mis | HKUI addon compilation of the day! |
| 07:25.17 | AnduinLothar | aww, but i haven't updated it in forever. maybe i should bump the toc! |
| 07:25.46 | Guillotine | AL: doesn't matter |
| 07:25.47 | Kirov | Anyone know what the story with ex ui.worldofwar.net now wowui.incgamers.com is? |
| 07:25.56 | Kirov | The new site is attrocious |
| 07:26.04 | art3mis | they got bought? |
| 07:27.05 | Guillotine | ewww. I have nothing wrong with sites being bought, but when an already bad layout gets worse.. |
| 07:27.25 | Guillotine | though I do like that easy browsing categorization |
| 07:27.44 | AnduinLothar | oh man, Guil for the lvoe of god why do the version names have to be 5 characters!!!?!?! |
| 07:27.58 | AnduinLothar | v1.20000000 |
| 07:28.20 | Kirov | AnduinLothar - I've taken to 1.5 - 20100 |
| 07:28.31 | Esamynn | AnduinLothar: to screw with your mind! |
| 07:28.34 | Kirov | toc only updates are just 1.5 - 20200 |
| 07:28.41 | Guillotine | AL: I'll but them about that too :P |
| 07:28.47 | Guillotine | bug* |
| 07:28.57 | AnduinLothar | i've been using "vers 2.0" but it makes me want to rape puppies |
| 07:29.05 | Guillotine | wait, it does? I always use 1.1 ect. |
| 07:29.10 | Esamynn | O_o |
| 07:29.15 | Guillotine | hmm, that might be a recent change. a very bad recent change |
| 07:29.21 | Guillotine | or it just doesn't validate my uploads *shrug* |
| 07:29.32 | Kirov | I like it. It makes al mad |
| 07:29.39 | AnduinLothar | a;sbhdobh;ougahibuaganpijagnoi'grhio'jpoi'gpoijnhoiuergnegner |
| 07:29.41 | AnduinLothar | diaf |
| 07:29.46 | Guillotine | lol |
| 07:30.12 | Guillotine | Kirov: good point. I'll ask zeeg to make it require 35 characters just for AL |
| 07:30.39 | Kirov | Guillotine - just for Al's account, for everyone else make it 1 character |
| 07:30.44 | Guillotine | right |
| 07:30.55 | Guillotine | of course |
| 07:31.08 | AnduinLothar | i kielll u |
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| 07:32.30 | AnduinLothar | muah ha ha ha ha http://www.curse.com/downloads/details/3571/ |
| 07:33.15 | Kirov | Last update, 9 months? |
| 07:33.29 | Kirov | Yet compatible with 2.2.0? Wow, talk about forward design |
| 07:33.34 | AnduinLothar | Current Version More (2) v1.1 - 20200 for World of Warcraft 2.2.0 (PTR) |
| 07:33.43 | Guillotine | so yesterday I found 4 unauthorized uploads of TTN on curse :( all spelled "TasteTheNamebow" so that my searches wouldn't show it. All by one person claiming it was his first addon |
| 07:33.51 | AnduinLothar | =D i win |
| 07:34.03 | Guillotine | Kirov: that part can take a couple mins to update |
| 07:34.20 | AnduinLothar | curse has been crap today. i posted a comment and it worked. posted another and it put my name in a comment field but the comment was empty |
| 07:34.32 | AnduinLothar | but i can edit it and it supplies my full comment |
| 07:34.39 | buu | Guillotine: What does TTN do? |
| 07:34.57 | Guillotine | buu: http://www.curse.com/downloads/details/3873/ |
| 07:34.59 | AnduinLothar | lol guil |
| 07:35.13 | Guillotine | AL: is that comment still messed up? |
| 07:35.22 | Kirov | Anyone here played with SimpleCompass's UI? |
| 07:35.23 | AnduinLothar | dunno lemme find it |
| 07:36.08 | AnduinLothar | still blank: http://www.curse.com/downloads/details/8998/ |
| 07:36.25 | AnduinLothar | ahh |
| 07:36.30 | AnduinLothar | it has a <3 in it |
| 07:36.36 | AnduinLothar | bet it thinks it's a tag |
| 07:36.38 | AnduinLothar | fail |
| 07:36.46 | Guillotine | ahhh, probably |
| 07:36.52 | buu | Oh |
| 07:36.58 | Guillotine | you have to escape the tag |
| 07:37.24 | AnduinLothar | there we go. used < |
| 07:37.46 | Iriel | It should be smart enough to scan the text for likely tags and escape <'s in non-tags |
| 07:37.49 | AnduinLothar | that's still pretty lame that they switched the whole site to use html without any warnings |
| 07:37.56 | Guillotine | AL: /agree |
| 07:38.01 | Guillotine | especially things as used as <3 |
| 07:38.47 | Esamynn | good night everyone |
| 07:38.48 | Guillotine | pfft. their sleeping. weaklings |
| 07:38.50 | Guillotine | who needs sleep? |
| 07:38.54 | Kirov | night Esamynn |
| 07:38.57 | Guillotine | Esamynn is joining the weak sleeping people now? |
| 07:39.05 | Guillotine | LRN2CAFFEIN |
| 07:39.09 | Esamynn | Guillotine: did I say I was sleeping? |
| 07:39.37 | Guillotine | hmm. good point |
| 07:39.40 | Esamynn | ~lart Guillotine |
| 07:39.40 | purl | resizes Guillotine's terminal to 40x24 |
| 07:39.47 | Guillotine | nooo |
| 07:39.50 | Esamynn | hahaha |
| 07:39.53 | AnduinLothar | so guil. where were you gonna put the ConsisTint link? |
| 07:39.55 | Esamynn | ~botsnack |
| 07:39.55 | purl | thanks, Esamynn |
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| 07:42.04 | Guillotine | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:42.16 | AnduinLothar | that's weird... why does the http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=5323 download come with my ChatScroll addon |
| 07:43.02 | AnduinLothar | I mean it's already flattering that it uses Satellite and SeaHooks and is based on ExtraChannels... |
| 07:45.53 | AnduinLothar | so Guil i'm confused about this. on my addon projects page it says ReputationMenu has had 2,106 hits... but on http://www.curse.com/downloads/details/3439/ i see 223+53 ... |
| 07:46.37 | AnduinLothar | and for the love of god why does it say hits instead of downlaods.... those are completely different concepts even if apache treats them like the same thing |
| 07:46.48 | Srosh | !c eu forscherliga káron |
| 07:46.51 | ThraeBot | Srosh: Káron, Level 70 Orc Hunter (0/48/13). 7288 HP; 5713 Mana; 104 mana regen; 23 mp5; 4468 Armour; 1166 AP; 176.600 Melee DPS; 12.97% melee crit; 1458 RAP; 238.50 Ranged DPS; 18.01% ranged crit; 13.35% dodge;[[ TBR: 758 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2cmup3 ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/37wku2 ][ Updated: Sun Sep 23 04:01:04 2007 EST ]] |
| 07:48.01 | AnduinLothar | a hit should be how many times the description page has been visited. and download should be a total of downloads of the different versions... |
| 07:48.24 | AnduinLothar | why are they all called hits!?! |
| 07:48.43 | buu | To confuse you. |
| 07:49.07 | AnduinLothar | and Hits/Today & Hits/Total arree those jsut hits or actual downlaods!? |
| 07:49.07 | Kirov | .msg Guillotine it's working perfectly! lets see what else we can add to piss off al |
| 07:49.10 | Kirov | opps! |
| 07:49.12 | Kirov | ;) |
| 07:49.19 | buu | You forgot the "mt" |
| 07:49.20 | Guillotine | lol |
| 07:49.56 | AnduinLothar | curse needs less visits. i should delete all my addons |
| 07:50.04 | Kirov | Actually, in a similar vein, I hate that the download #s don't update on the main page as frequently as they do on the file manager page |
| 07:50.05 | AnduinLothar | not that that would do anything |
| 07:50.43 | Guillotine | Kirov: *shrug* I don't really care personally. |
| 07:51.30 | Kirov | Guillotine - yeah, it's a fairly minor peeve, especially considering curse is the only site that gives that much info per-upload |
| 07:52.27 | Guillotine | I do have another 3 things on the list to check on for tomorrow though: fixing <3, are hits the same as dls?, and discontinued showing up in searches |
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| 07:52.43 | AnduinLothar | <3 |
| 07:52.43 | Guillotine | oh, and version needing 5 chars |
| 07:52.51 | AnduinLothar | <3 <3 |
| 07:52.52 | Guillotine | sorry, that just looks like blank text to me |
| 07:53.15 | AnduinLothar | and go stab zeeg, he needs to come listen to me whine and fix things for me |
| 07:53.15 | Guillotine | :P |
| 07:53.39 | AnduinLothar | wait no |
| 07:53.42 | AnduinLothar | dont stab him |
| 07:53.51 | AnduinLothar | his productivity might go up |
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| 08:07.59 | cryogen | i thought it was header:SetAttribute("delaystatemap-anchor-leave", "*:0"); but apparently not |
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| 08:28.45 | Kirov | You know what addon I really miss? |
| 08:28.48 | Kirov | PerfectTarget |
| 08:42.33 | Guillotine | it still works |
| 08:42.42 | Guillotine | you just can't click on it to target |
| 08:42.48 | Kirov | right |
| 08:48.18 | art3mis | i miss minigroup |
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| 08:53.45 | art3mis | and Healer |
| 08:53.56 | art3mis | healer was great just for the movement key binds for spells ;P |
| 08:54.14 | art3mis | run around and heal yourself with renews and shields and stuff or yer party |
| 08:55.48 | art3mis | ~poke fisker- |
| 08:55.48 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind fisker-, pokes fisker- repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 08:55.49 | Fisker- | oh hi |
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| 10:06.46 | Srosh | !c eu forscherliga mà ya |
| 10:06.49 | ThraeBot | Srosh: MÃ ya, Level 70 Tauren Druid (0/48/13). 8268 HP; 4490 Mana; 108 mana regen; 870 AP; 127.300 Melee DPS; 14.25% melee crit; 87 melee hit; 24.22% dodge; 10 nature resist (+10); +28 all resists (+10 nature);[[ TBR: 1282 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2yjvct ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/3bygkb ][ Updated: Sun Sep 23 06:21:03 2007 EST ]] |
| 10:28.50 | Elkano | !c eu mannoroth isdirial |
| 10:28.53 | ThraeBot | Elkano: Isdirial, Level 70 Night Elf Druid (0/47/14). 13704 HP; 5300 Mana; 123 mana regen; 19 mp5; 26036 Armour; 1441 AP; 173.500 Melee DPS; 24.66% melee crit; 163 defense; 31.23% dodge; 45 arcane resist; 10 nature resist (+10); +25 all resists (+10 nature);[[ TBR: 863 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/289rhv ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2th3lm ][ Updated: Sun Sep 23 06:43:07 2007 EST ]] |
| 10:29.36 | Elkano | Thrae, your TBR sucks... |
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| 10:58.22 | sylvanaar | 26k armor |
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| 10:59.15 | sylvanaar | !c us lightbringer sylvaan |
| 10:59.18 | ThraeBot | sylvanaar: Sylvaan, Level 70 Night Elf Druid (5/0/56). 7424 HP; 8840 Mana; 320 mana regen; 121 mp5; 3.28% melee crit; 1516 +heal; 4.23% dodge; 44 resilience; 10 nature resist (+10);[[ TBR: 1174 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2eg2sx ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2p37dc ][ Updated: Sun Sep 23 07:13:32 2007 EST ]] |
| 10:59.45 | sylvanaar | hahaha |
| 10:59.51 | sylvanaar | look at tbr |
| 10:59.53 | cncfanatics | sylvanaar, only 10k more then my pala, u suck |
| 11:00.02 | cncfanatics | !c eu khadgar evolve |
| 11:00.04 | ThraeBot | cncfanatics: Evolve, Level 70 Blood Elf Paladin (0/49/12). 13147 HP; 4428 Mana; 81 mana regen; 16127 Armour; 596 AP; 88.100 Melee DPS; 5.65% melee crit; 15 spell crit; 245 +spell dmg/heal; 287 defense; 19.32% dodge; 20.91% block; 31 resilience;[[ TBR: 768 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2bl7uf ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/36eekt ][ Updated: Sat Sep 22 13:34:45 2007 EST ]] |
| 11:00.21 | cncfanatics | Elkano I mean |
| 11:00.24 | cncfanatics | and the TBR suck too :p |
| 11:00.35 | sylvanaar | compare mine to elkano |
| 11:00.40 | sylvanaar | my tree druid |
| 11:01.27 | _dreamss | !c us stormscale dreamss |
| 11:01.29 | ThraeBot | _dreamss: Dreamss, Level 70 Tauren Shaman (0/16/45). 7401 HP; 11348 Mana; 211 mana regen; 107 mp5; 9470 Armour; 9.03% melee crit; 162 +spell dmg; 1548 +heal; 4.03% dodge; 5.00% block; 21 resilience; 10 nature resist (+10);[[ TBR: 1291 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/yvbj9n ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2ql9em ][ Updated: Sun Sep 23 07:15:44 2007 EST ]] |
| 11:01.32 | sylvanaar | !vs us lightbringer sylvaan eu mannoroth isdirial |
| 11:01.33 | ThraeBot | sylvanaar: Sylvaan vs Isdirial! Two 70 druids square off!; 5/0/56 vs 0/47/14; Sylvaan wins by 312 TBRs! |
| 11:01.39 | sylvanaar | rofl |
| 11:01.40 | Kirov | ok, how do you delete a bug report on wowi? |
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| 11:34.06 | bleeter | I so hope to god Blizz don't enable premades for 2.3 PTR |
| 11:35.16 | zenzelezz | how come? |
| 11:38.45 | Fisker- | premades = fags |
| 11:38.47 | Fisker- | :P |
| 11:43.38 | Gnarfoz | clogs up the servers with idiots who want the chance to just try a 70 for $class |
| 11:43.50 | bleeter | well, it made sense with the new audio foo to get as much hardware testing as possible |
| 11:44.32 | Nom- | bleh the premade gear is STILL hopeless in the "new" PTR |
| 11:44.44 | bleeter | I can't think of a single sane reason why Hortus & Crew would want to put themselves through similar pain for a content patch |
| 11:45.11 | bleeter | Nom-: that's the point... they don't care about the gear. It's mainly to test the audio and in 2.2.2's case, the seasonal content |
| 11:45.36 | Nom- | Yeah, but noone is going to be terribly inclined to play on the PTR if the gear is sub-standard |
| 11:45.37 | bleeter | and any even semi-serious tester shouldn't give a shit about it either |
| 11:45.40 | Nom- | Which it is |
| 11:45.57 | Nom- | There's no point having 5/5 T6 if the other slots are absolutely useless for just about every spec |
| 11:46.16 | Nom- | The paladin gear for instnace, i can't make a decent ret, prot OR holy dps spec... and the healing gear is pretty crap too |
| 11:46.35 | bleeter | if the target of the test was to test out the top level gear, i'd agree... but it isn't, so your point is as worthless as the 1000's of nubber posts on the PTR forum |
| 11:47.17 | bleeter | what are you trying to test that's relevant to the target test cycle that requires you to have the best shit? |
| 11:47.25 | _dreamss | a lot of people (most) use the mtr to play around on full set of the latest gear |
| 11:47.39 | _dreamss | ptr too |
| 11:51.11 | Nom- | er... |
| 11:51.30 | Nom- | my point is that testers for that content are discouraged by the fact they can't make a decent set of gear |
| 11:51.42 | Nom- | I made a premade paladin because I wanted to play on the PTR just as I do on live |
| 11:52.16 | Nom- | But since I can't make a half-decent gear set, I'm probably not going to play |
| 11:52.24 | Nom- | Checking out the rogue that i created too tho |
| 11:52.43 | bleeter | um |
| 11:52.56 | bleeter | 'want to play on PTR as I play on live' -> char copy |
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| 11:53.42 | bleeter | 'have a premade toon with all leet stuff to test stuff' -> when the patch goes live, you won't have that gear, so any testing you do is worthless |
| 11:53.58 | bleeter | insofar as trying out a premade |
| 11:54.19 | bleeter | I'm not saying your're a clueless nub, Nom-, far from it |
| 11:55.21 | bleeter | what I *am* saying is that there's a hell of a lot of people falling into the second category, thus making any worthwhile content change testing worthless when it comes to 1000's of nubs running around with a premade they'll never see. |
| 11:55.58 | bleeter | the post that got my original comment happening -> http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1778042527&sid=1 |
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| 13:19.55 | Codayus_ | To test ZA properly, you should probably have a T4+ geared character on the live realms...if you don't at this point, you probably won't be very helpful... |
| 13:20.31 | zenzelezz | indeed |
| 13:20.50 | zenzelezz | I'm guessing ZA loot mostly won't be T6 level in quality too |
| 13:21.06 | Codayus_ | Of course, I suppose someone in full T6 wouldn't be all that helpful either, but A) There's a whole lot less of them around, and B) They probably have a T4 geared alt. :-D |
| 13:21.33 | Codayus_ | A couple bits have been shown at BlizCon, if memory served. Looked to be t5-ish? I forget. |
| 13:21.47 | zenzelezz | T6 geared people are good for testing tactics, T4 for technicalities like damage, healing |
| 13:21.59 | zenzelezz | I'd guess anyhow |
| 13:22.09 | Codayus_ | Yeah |
| 13:22.27 | Codayus_ | I assume Bliz is going to carefully calibrate any gear checks or DPS races internally though. |
| 13:22.36 | Codayus_ | Seems like it'd be ASKING for a headache to base it on the PTR. |
| 13:22.48 | zenzelezz | of course, but you never know how people will go about an encounter |
| 13:23.00 | Codayus_ | True... |
| 13:23.20 | zenzelezz | I'm reminded of the Naxxramas-boss-kiting... who was it, Patchwerk? |
| 13:26.27 | Codayus_ | Ah, yeah.. Dagger of Bad Mojo, 1h dagger, 98.6 dps, 1.8s speed, 21 agi, 40 AP, ignores 154 armor. |
| 13:27.27 | Codayus_ | Comes from somewhere in ZA. Vashj drops a dagger with the same speed and DPS...different stats. Take that for what its worth. :-) |
| 13:46.10 | zenzelezz | the most annoying part about being a tank is trying to figure a fight out from most kill videos... like 95% of them are from healer/DPS perspective, and most that are from a tank perspective don't show a real overview of the situation :-p |
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| 14:00.11 | _dreamss | aka tanking is boring |
| 14:00.28 | zenzelezz | I love it; it's just hard to figure sometimes :-p |
| 14:00.39 | zenzelezz | but it's boring to *watch* someone tank |
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| 14:19.13 | Wraanger | regarding "boring" ....go raid like a healer .. |
| 14:19.42 | Wraanger | and stare into the bunch of bars for like ...3-4 hours ... |
| 14:19.58 | zenzelezz | I imagine anyone that raids goes as a class/role they enjoy playing, for whatever reason |
| 14:21.20 | zenzelezz | there aren't many BC raid encounters (that I've had the chance to do yet) that I find boring to tank. Morogrim can be, eight minutes standing around hitting shield block |
| 14:30.24 | Fisker- | i liek healing |
| 14:31.21 | foxlit | Depending on your definition of boring, more or less everything in endgame wow is |
| 14:31.33 | zenzelezz | the main thing that seems to be a bit unsatisfactory to me about being a raid healer is how often they don't get recognition; it's always zomg-imba-tank or uber-DPS |
| 14:31.52 | foxlit | uber-DPS gets recognition? |
| 14:31.57 | foxlit | DPS is anonymous, more or less |
| 14:31.58 | zenzelezz | not many, but some |
| 14:32.07 | foxlit | I spend four hours casting IS/SF. That's not especially "interesting" either. |
| 14:32.22 | zenzelezz | DPS gets recognition inside your guild, not outside |
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| 14:54.43 | zenzelezz | It's nine o'clock on a Saturday, the raider crowd shuffles in... there's a warlock sitting next to me, making love to his tonic and imp |
| 14:56.01 | Cairenn|afk | lol |
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| 15:11.38 | Codayus_ | DPS can compete to top meters. Tanks and healers...get noticed when they fail, mostly. Or when other people fail. |
| 15:12.19 | Polarina | All what matters to me is that we make it through. :P |
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| 15:12.29 | Codayus_ | You never hear "hey, you really held aggro well!" but you definetly hear "wtf, lern2tank"... |
| 15:12.41 | Codayus_ | Polarina: *nod* |
| 15:12.45 | Polarina | I always hear the first one. As a hunter... |
| 15:12.51 | Codayus_ | Heh |
| 15:12.56 | Polarina | I'm a aggro magnet, they say. |
| 15:15.31 | zenzelezz | a tank fails when his usual threat level is less than the group's controlled DPS; loose wire DPSers can *always* steal aggro |
| 15:15.53 | Polarina | Distracting Shot FTW! :P |
| 15:16.40 | Codayus_ | Heh, tanks can fail in more ways than that. |
| 15:16.49 | zenzelezz | yes, but not on threat |
| 15:17.46 | Codayus_ | On Lurker... "Okat, OT 1, pick up the guardian that spawns to the left, OT 2 get the one to the right, k? Great, let's go." |
| 15:17.53 | Polarina | Tanks can fail by crashing their client like I did to the lua bots here. |
| 15:18.04 | zenzelezz | I make mistakes all the time, but they're not threat-related. Things like puling Karathress into the gusting winds... |
| 15:18.05 | Codayus_ | One wipe later... "Ah...perhaps we need to go over 'left' and 'right'..." |
| 15:18.21 | zenzelezz | Codayus_: hehe, yeah, we learned that :) |
| 15:18.35 | zenzelezz | also "use the short route, not the long, with the third add" |
| 15:19.13 | Codayus_ | On Hydross. "Okay, everyone ready? Good, MT go in now! ... AH POISON ADDS, k, hold him RIGHT there and.... Oh good, frost adds too... uh..." |
| 15:19.32 | zenzelezz | we just wipe if he switches form on pull |
| 15:19.39 | Codayus_ | Hydross + 2 sets of adds and we're 2s into the pull... |
| 15:20.19 | Codayus_ | When it's your first night ever of Hydross attempts, you don't need to *call* a wipe when that happens. :-D |
| 15:20.20 | zenzelezz | I've found that because of the chance that your Intercept goes off a moment too late due to latency, Swiftness Potions are cheap and more effective. Never had trouble using those on the pull |
| 15:20.32 | zenzelezz | hahaha |
| 15:20.56 | Codayus_ | A wipe will happen *quite* soon enough. ...although in our case, we actually managed to live long enough to aggro the trash on the bridge leading up TO hudross. |
| 15:21.20 | zenzelezz | uhm, how did you reach him if they were still alive? You take Lurker first? |
| 15:21.26 | Codayus_ | Yeah, then wandered back. |
| 15:21.44 | zenzelezz | seems like every guild except mine starts with Lurker (until they learn Hydross) |
| 15:22.05 | Codayus_ | So by about 5s into the pull, we had Hydross, 2-3 sets of adds, a pair of bats, 3 naga... |
| 15:22.18 | zenzelezz | our progression was Hydross -> Morogrim -> Lurker -> Karathress -> Leo... now we can take them in a sensible order :-p |
| 15:22.19 | Codayus_ | Well, Lurker is pretty easy, so...good place to start. |
| 15:22.28 | Codayus_ | Really? Hmm. |
| 15:23.24 | Codayus_ | Morogrim seems a lot harder than Lurker to us... :-) |
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| 15:24.28 | zenzelezz | think it was just group composition that night that made it so |
| 15:24.35 | Codayus_ | Probably. |
| 15:25.02 | Codayus_ | Last time we had a go at Morogrim we had 2 AoE classes along. 2 mages...0 warlocks. Not...ideal, I suspect. |
| 15:25.07 | Polarina | Cairenn|afk: Your recent post on the front page chocked me when I read the title of the book. I was about to report it to Blizzard... |
| 15:25.13 | zenzelezz | Morogrim is pretty easy when you get the murlocs under control... then it's just unlucky burning of Shield Block leading to crushing blows |
| 15:25.20 | zenzelezz | that bastard can hit really fast |
| 15:25.49 | zenzelezz | Codayus_: we only go with 2+ warlocks and 2+ mages on Moro |
| 15:26.30 | Codayus_ | Well, that's still at least twice the AoE we had that night. :-) (And most strats seem to emphasize the power of seed of corruption too...) |
| 15:26.47 | zenzelezz | that's why I say 2+. 2 seems the minimum we need, but more is better |
| 15:27.16 | zenzelezz | mages we only need 2, but again, more is better. If we only took one and he got tombed, we'd burn two Challenging Shouts on one spawn, and that's not good |
| 15:29.17 | zenzelezz | what are the globules after 25% on Morogrim supposed to do? I tried running inside them for 10+ seconds last week and still nothing seemed to happen |
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| 15:32.50 | Codayus_ | They're supposed to explode I think... |
| 15:38.04 | Fisker- | They're like arcane orbs |
| 15:38.20 | Fisker- | however there apparently is a bug that if you go too far away from the watery grave they don't explode |
| 15:38.31 | zenzelezz | hm... maybe that's it then |
| 15:38.38 | Fisker- | and sometimes they just bug, hit you for 10 damage and despawn |
| 15:38.38 | zenzelezz | I thought everyone tanked him at the north entrance these days |
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| 16:31.23 | Cairenn | JoshBorke: ping? |
| 16:32.01 | JoshBorke | you rang? :-D |
| 16:32.05 | Cairenn | what did you want it to read? |
| 16:32.23 | JoshBorke | wowuidev is fine, i don't think i belong to the wowi group |
| 16:32.36 | Cairenn | okay |
| 16:32.44 | JoshBorke | i figured that was for featured people :-) |
| 16:32.48 | Cairenn | nope |
| 16:33.14 | Cairenn | Featured is for featured |
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| 16:33.19 | JoshBorke | no? if not, i'll take wowi too :-D |
| 16:33.31 | Cairenn | okay |
| 16:33.42 | JoshBorke | thank you Cairenn :-) |
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| 16:33.46 | Thumann | hi, i have a little macro that sends a whisper to the targeted player, but if nobody is targetted, i get a UI error.. any way to fix that? so it 1, either just shuts up and does nothing :) or it targets the nearest player and then say it |
| 16:34.01 | Cairenn | you're welcome |
| 16:34.18 | JoshBorke | Thumann: pastey teh macro on wowi.pastey.net |
| 16:35.51 | Thumann | JoshBorke: http://wowi.pastey.net/74251 |
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| 16:41.13 | JoshBorke | Thumann: change the last line to: /script if UnitExists('target') then SendChatMessage() end |
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| 16:43.15 | Thumann | JoshBorke: thanks :O |
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| 16:45.13 | Srosh | !c eu forscherliga agromal |
| 16:45.14 | ThraeBot | Srosh: agromal is not the character you are looking for! |
| 16:45.28 | Srosh | It is! |
| 16:45.32 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+v Kaelten] by ChanServ |
| 16:45.34 | Srosh | !c eu forscherliga agromai |
| 16:45.35 | ThraeBot | Srosh: agromai is not the character you are looking for! |
| 16:46.24 | zenzelezz | It seems like the character you are trying to view hasn't been active for a while. |
| 16:46.36 | zenzelezz | so the bot can't load the data |
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| 16:48.22 | Ktron | Morning |
| 16:48.26 | zenzelezz | ahoy |
| 16:48.50 | Ktron | how goes? |
| 16:51.53 | Shirik | !help |
| 16:52.27 | Shirik | !p Pauldrons of Surging Mana; Drenden; us; Horde |
| 16:52.29 | ThraeBot | Shirik: Name: Pauldrons of Surging Mana; Vendor: 4g 3s 63c; Deposit (24h): 2g 42s 17c; Auction (All): 18g 7s; Disenchant (All): 19g [[ http://www.wowecon.com ]] |
| 16:55.17 | zenzelezz | !p Heart of Darkness; Silvermoon; eu; Alliance |
| 16:55.18 | ThraeBot | zenzelezz: Name: Heart of Darkness; Vendor: 2g; Deposit (24h): 1g 20s; Auction (All): 950g [[ http://www.wowecon.com ]] |
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| 16:57.55 | Shirik | !p void crystal |
| 16:57.56 | ThraeBot | Shirik: Name: Void Crystal; Auction (All): 27g 50s [[ http://www.wowecon.com ]] |
| 16:57.58 | Shirik | heh |
| 16:58.02 | Shirik | my server is so overpriced |
| 16:58.38 | Shirik | I just posted one for 65/70 |
| 16:58.41 | Shirik | let's see if it sells |
| 16:59.10 | zenzelezz | the highest it has been on my server is 60g(ish), now they're 25-30 |
| 16:59.25 | Shirik | There were a few up there for 80g when I made that post |
| 16:59.37 | Shirik | Though auctioneer was (of course) complaining "Competition above market" |
| 16:59.47 | zenzelezz | of course the prices only dropped AFTER I got my Mongoose |
| 16:59.48 | Shirik | Normally I sell them for about 50g though |
| 16:59.50 | Shirik | haha |
| 16:59.51 | Shirik | of course |
| 17:00.50 | Ktron | My friend and I used to be jerks to each other |
| 17:01.07 | Ktron | he was a lw'er, I was a miner |
| 17:01.37 | Ktron | I'd stock up on leather, then when prices were good and he'd tried to sell, I'd flood the market with what I had at ridiculously lower prices |
| 17:01.59 | Ktron | people would see those and figured the fairly 'normal' prices were unreasonable, and not buy any of his |
| 17:02.05 | Shirik | wtf |
| 17:02.12 | Shirik | There's this pattern: red woolen bag on the AH |
| 17:02.12 | Ktron | he'd do the same to me :) |
| 17:02.17 | Shirik | for 93456g buyout |
| 17:02.24 | Shirik | 45667 bid |
| 17:02.39 | JoshBorke | money laundering |
| 17:02.41 | JoshBorke | repoirt it |
| 17:02.41 | zenzelezz | bargain |
| 17:03.03 | Shirik | Is that seriously reportable? |
| 17:03.13 | JoshBorke | dunno, but it sounds like laundering to me |
| 17:03.16 | Shirik | heh |
| 17:03.25 | Shirik | there's also a guy here with imbued netherweave robe pattern for 50g |
| 17:03.26 | zenzelezz | how can you launder money in WoW, surely they track it |
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| 17:03.50 | JoshBorke | true |
| 17:04.30 | Cairenn | not necessarily laundering - I've put things in for ridiculously high prices before when I'm trying to move money from one side to the other |
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| 17:04.57 | Ktron | Cairenn: yeah, I've done that too |
| 17:05.01 | JoshBorke | yea, but is it on the neutral AH? |
| 17:05.07 | JoshBorke | that i could see |
| 17:05.18 | Cairenn | ie my alliance has lots of cash, but my newbie horde doesn't have any, horde puts some trash item in for stupid price, alliance buys it, horde now has cash |
| 17:05.41 | Cairenn | has to be on the neutral, obviously |
| 17:05.54 | Ktron | Sometimes people will put things just to see if people misbuy them too |
| 17:05.55 | Ktron | heh |
| 17:06.11 | Ktron | I've seen like silk for 80s, 80s, 80s, 80s, 80g, 80s, 80s |
| 17:06.45 | Ktron | but the number you mentioned didn't sound very 'blend in'-y |
| 17:07.00 | Ktron | brb |
| 17:07.49 | MentalPower|Away | ~seen Kaelten |
| 17:07.51 | purl | kaelten is currently on #wowi-lounge (23m 14s) #wowace (23m 14s). Has said a total of 14 messages. Is idling for 11m 19s, last said: 'not my site'. |
| 17:07.59 | Kaelten | MentalPower|Away: sup? |
| 17:08.16 | MentalPower|Away | Why does fisheye take forever to scan the SVN repo? |
| 17:08.37 | MentalPower|Away | its been scanning the auctioneer repo for two or three days |
| 17:08.45 | zenzelezz | you try reading the text on the sides when you're looking through a fisheye |
| 17:09.09 | Kaelten | MentalPower|Away: really? how many revisions you guy have? |
| 17:09.40 | Kaelten | It only took about 8 or 10 hours for wowace's |
| 17:09.40 | MentalPower|Away | 2212 |
| 17:09.52 | Kaelten | it shouldn't be taking near that long |
| 17:10.01 | Kaelten | hrm |
| 17:10.09 | Shirik | What's fisheye? |
| 17:10.12 | Kaelten | something isn't right there |
| 17:10.18 | Kaelten | Shirik: fish.wowace.com |
| 17:10.25 | MentalPower|Away | anyways, I gotta go. I'll talk to you about it when I return in a few |
| 17:10.26 | zenzelezz | sounds fishy |
| 17:10.27 | MentalPower|Away | hors |
| 17:10.34 | MentalPower|Away | hours* |
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| 17:11.08 | Kaelten | kk |
| 17:11.24 | Shirik | that's pretty nice |
| 17:13.31 | Iriel | Does this make anyone think of yesterdays 'exploit' thread: http://www.dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/images/dilbert2007092116393.jpg |
| 17:13.56 | Kaydeethree | ha |
| 17:14.34 | Shirik | lol |
| 17:15.54 | Cairenn | lol |
| 17:16.16 | JoshBorke | i don't think it's very funny >.< |
| 17:16.18 | Fisker- | what exploit thread_ |
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| 17:16.33 | foxlit | The "Get teh epix" exploit that you missed! |
| 17:16.41 | Fisker- | >O_ |
| 17:16.42 | Fisker- | :O? |
| 17:19.20 | Cairenn | JoshBorke: no freenode staff on atm, I'll keep checking off and on till I catch one of them |
| 17:19.35 | JoshBorke | Cairenn: no rush, thank you very much :-) |
| 17:23.37 | Shirik | Did JoshBorke hax or something? |
| 17:23.48 | Shirik | Also Cairenn|afk I see one on :/ |
| 17:24.05 | JoshBorke | Shirik: i'm as innocent as a lamb |
| 17:24.10 | Shirik | suuuure |
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| 17:55.10 | Cidan | I think I'm going to switch back to Opera |
| 17:55.17 | Iriel | From? |
| 17:55.22 | Cidan | Firefox |
| 17:55.29 | Iriel | Why's that? |
| 17:55.36 | Cidan | Faster |
| 17:55.40 | Iriel | (I haven't used Opera much, i'm just curious) |
| 17:55.48 | Cidan | Faster, cleaner |
| 17:56.01 | Cidan | The only disadvantage is the lack of a decent plugin system. |
| 17:56.34 | Iriel | Is it faster because it's got fewer useful features, or just because it's better built? |
| 17:57.07 | FlAWD | get FasterFox and AdBlock Plus and firefox will be quite fast :D |
| 17:57.07 | Cidan | I believe it's just better built. It's got almost everything default firefox installs have. |
| 17:57.43 | Cidan | It does render pages faster than Firefox, but again, the plugin system is limited at best. |
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| 17:58.25 | FlAWD | opera is faster by default, i read some kind of studynot too long ago |
| 17:58.39 | Cidan | Opera also has built in content blocking. |
| 17:59.10 | cogwheel | opera actually has a lot of features that firefox doesn't, like built-in irc client ;) |
| 17:59.10 | FlAWD | so does firefox, but you have to manually right click and tell it to block images from certain hosts |
| 17:59.28 | Cidan | and a torrent client |
| 17:59.42 | _dreamss | opera got kinda bloated |
| 17:59.44 | foxlit | To be fair, do you really need a torrent client in a browser? |
| 17:59.50 | _dreamss | i have a bt and irc client that i like |
| 18:00.13 | FlAWD | me too, i could get irc and bt in firefox if i wanted, but i like my standalone clients |
| 18:00.18 | Cidan | For quick downloads, sure. |
| 18:00.28 | Cidan | If it's a 4 gig DVD ISO, well, no. :P |
| 18:00.39 | _dreamss | IE seems to perform better than ffx and opera |
| 18:00.41 | _dreamss | geg |
| 18:00.56 | FlAWD | uTorrent starts up so fast, and i have it set to be very silent, so i don't even see it |
| 18:00.58 | foxlit | wrong hand |
| 18:02.42 | FlAWD | cogwheel: sorry if i was an ass last night, i was quite drunk :) |
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| 19:04.12 | zenzelezz | stupid Al'ar... can't keep her Focused because of all the vanishing |
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| 19:11.59 | foxlit | Al'ar is a he? |
| 19:12.27 | zenzelezz | the wiki says "she" on all except one occasion |
| 19:13.14 | foxlit | The wiki is hardly a reliable source of information :) |
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| 19:13.34 | Iriel | Anyone checked with UnitSex("target") ? |
| 19:14.00 | zenzelezz | "1" |
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| 19:14.14 | foxlit | asexual! |
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| 19:15.55 | foxlit | I was going by <The Phoenix God> rather than <The Phoenix Goddess> |
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| 19:16.47 | zenzelezz | that's a good point |
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| 19:17.16 | kergoth | hmm, anyone know of an addon to show what rep you'll get from turnins for either 1) the rep items i have in my inventory, or 2) the stack i'm moused over? farming rep items, and wondering how close I am to my goal, including what i have on me from farming |
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| 19:18.23 | Kaydeethree | I used GrindStatus for that |
| 19:18.43 | kergoth | ah, will try that |
| 19:20.24 | buu | Heh, basic math? |
| 19:20.56 | foxlit | The thing about math is that you often can't be bothered to do it. |
| 19:21.20 | buu | foxlit: I can be bothered when it tells me I can stop grinding 10 minutes earlier |
| 19:21.47 | foxlit | As opposed to having an addon tell you the same thing automatically? |
| 19:24.25 | buu | Yes. |
| 19:25.18 | buu | foxlit: See, I can use the masses of time I've saved NOT searching, downloading, installing, configuring, learning, unintalling, reinstalling, of an addon, to start the next grind. |
| 19:26.29 | foxlit | You're over-dramatizing the process. |
| 19:26.33 | Kaydeethree | that's why you use GrindStatus, each time there's a faction change it switches to that faction automagically |
| 19:29.20 | Kaydeethree | that and the fact that it's ace so it actually speeds up your system when you run it... |
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| 19:37.25 | Industrial | ima bizznizzgnome http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/364/wowscrnshot092307213601ou2.jpg |
| 19:40.33 | art3mis | wow they changed the drop rate on icy chill enchant |
| 19:40.46 | art3mis | it's like every 3rd mob i kill at this lake drops it |
| 19:42.23 | Industrial | drop? enchant? |
| 19:42.39 | art3mis | yeah the formula |
| 19:43.13 | bleeter | wtf, they've deleted the wine post which they said they wouldn't :/ |
| 19:43.23 | Kaydeethree | because it got spammed to hell and back |
| 19:44.06 | Shirik | heh |
| 19:44.08 | bleeter | oh, they've practically reset the forum |
| 19:44.10 | Shirik | star trek reference in WoW |
| 19:44.11 | Shirik | awesome |
| 19:44.22 | Kaydeethree | oh sweet. didn't even notice the page count dropping |
| 19:44.36 | Kaydeethree | hortus must be getting RSI |
| 19:45.50 | Industrial | oooooomg |
| 19:45.55 | Industrial | lovely complex 22 \o/ |
| 19:50.19 | buu | I think the wow forums are probably the best possible example of the broken window theory of social development. |
| 19:50.37 | Shadowed | eh |
| 19:50.39 | bleeter | well, balls |
| 19:50.47 | Shadowed | wow forums are just an example of what happens when you give a million idiots a place to vent |
| 19:51.00 | buu | Not quite. |
| 19:51.14 | buu | They're what happens when you give a million idiots a place to vent.. and then never police them |
| 19:51.54 | Shadowed | Even if they moderate it, they'd need a lot more mods to do it which likely isn't worth it. |
| 19:53.04 | zenzelezz | Al'ar to 3% on first night trying him... he's going down |
| 19:55.28 | Kaydeethree | ahahaha, a positive benefit of name recognition on the PTR forum |
| 19:55.32 | Kaydeethree | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1778513088&postId=17777544147&sid=1#1 |
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| 20:05.42 | Intangir | !c us Mug'thol Intangir |
| 20:05.45 | ThraeBot | Intangir: Intangir, Level 70 Undead Rogue (23/0/38). 11484 HP; 4658 Armour; 1521 AP; 299.600 Melee DPS; 28.58% melee crit; 55 melee hit; 25.32% dodge; 363 resilience;[[ TBR: 1638 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/25awdw ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2qz8hn ][ Updated: Sun Sep 23 16:20:03 2007 EST ]] |
| 20:05.52 | Intangir | 1638! bitches |
| 20:05.55 | Intangir | now who wants to fight |
| 20:07.17 | Intangir | Kaydeethree: you from medivh? |
| 20:07.19 | Intangir | i used to be on medivh |
| 20:07.21 | Kaydeethree | yes |
| 20:07.38 | Intangir | i was horde |
| 20:07.41 | Intangir | i was in initech |
| 20:07.51 | Kaydeethree | wow, that's a guild name I haven't seen in a long time |
| 20:08.01 | Intangir | really? |
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| 20:08.18 | Kaydeethree | haven't heard much of of them in a while |
| 20:08.25 | Shirik | That was a wierd one |
| 20:08.26 | Kaydeethree | s/of/out/ |
| 20:08.30 | Antiarc | !c us Cenarion Circle Adrine |
| 20:08.32 | ThraeBot | Antiarc: Adrine, Level 70 Human Rogue (20/41/0). 9934 HP; 4026 Armour; 1743 AP; 387.500 Melee DPS; 26.33% melee crit; 257 melee hit; 14 +spell dmg/heal; 27.61% dodge; 12 resilience; +33 all resists;[[ TBR: 987 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/yv6o6q ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2qgebp ][ Updated: Sun Sep 23 16:22:50 2007 EST ]] |
| 20:08.33 | Shirik | couldn't connect to the internet because of "permission denied" |
| 20:08.33 | Antiarc | Bring it on. >_> |
| 20:08.53 | Antiarc | Wait, what. Why the hell do I have +14 spell damage? |
| 20:09.04 | Shirik | haha |
| 20:09.05 | Antiarc | Oh, mark. |
| 20:09.20 | Intangir | !vs us Mug'thol Intangir Cenarion Circle Adrine |
| 20:09.31 | Shirik | !vs us drenden kimina us cenarion circle adrine |
| 20:09.34 | ThraeBot | Shirik: Kimina vs Adrine! A L70 priest and a L70 rogue square off!; 23/38/0 vs 20/41/0; Adrine wins by 205 TBRs! |
| 20:09.37 | Shirik | =( |
| 20:09.49 | Intangir | !vs us Mug'thol Intangir us Cenarion Circle Adrine |
| 20:09.49 | ThraeBot | Intangir: Intangir vs Adrine! It's a showdown! But wait! What's this?! Something random? Adrine wins by 6721406 TBRs! Wow, that's GOTTA hurt. |
| 20:09.55 | Antiarc | Ouch. |
| 20:09.55 | Intangir | NOOOOOOO! |
| 20:09.58 | Intangir | !vs us Mug'thol Intangir us Cenarion Circle Adrine |
| 20:09.59 | ThraeBot | Intangir: Intangir vs Adrine! Two 70 rogues square off!; 23/0/38 vs 20/41/0; Intangir wins by 651 TBRs! ***OWNED!*** |
| 20:10.05 | Intangir | OWNED |
| 20:10.10 | Antiarc | *tears* |
| 20:10.15 | Antiarc | I wonder how I'd do in arena gear |
| 20:10.24 | Antiarc | brb, updating armory >_> |
| 20:10.27 | Intangir | im gonna guess still OWNED |
| 20:10.57 | Antiarc | Man, I just started arenaing on my warrior |
| 20:11.03 | Antiarc | It makes me never want to arena as my rogue ever again |
| 20:11.59 | Antiarc | Intercept + 10 yards spammable snare is really damned powerful for making sure people can't get away. |
| 20:11.59 | art3mis | !vs us Mug'thol Intangir us Echo isles Rozalyn |
| 20:12.02 | ThraeBot | art3mis: Intangir vs Rozalyn! A L70 rogue and a L70 priest square off!; 23/0/38 vs 9/0/52; Intangir wins by 337 TBRs! |
| 20:12.57 | art3mis | !vs us Cenarion Circle Adrine us Echo isles Rozalyn |
| 20:12.58 | ThraeBot | art3mis: Adrine vs Rozalyn! A L70 rogue and a L70 priest square off!; 20/41/0 vs 9/0/52; Rozalyn wins by 294 TBRs! |
| 20:13.08 | Antiarc | Let's see if the armory updated... |
| 20:13.12 | Antiarc | !c us Cenarion Circle Adrine |
| 20:13.14 | ThraeBot | Antiarc: Adrine, Level 70 Human Rogue (20/41/0). 10734 HP; +10 Energy; 4000 Armour; 1548 AP; 360.500 Melee DPS; 26.25% melee crit; 141 melee hit; 13 +spell dmg/heal; 25.46% dodge; 241 resilience; +33 all resists;[[ TBR: 1779 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/yv6o6q ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2qgebp ][ Updated: Sun Sep 23 16:27:32 2007 EST ]] |
| 20:13.18 | Antiarc | Woot. |
| 20:13.24 | Antiarc | !vs us Mug'thol Intangir us Cenarion Circle Adrine |
| 20:13.25 | ThraeBot | Antiarc: Intangir vs Adrine! Two 70 rogues square off!; 23/0/38 vs 20/41/0; Adrine wins by 142 TBRs! |
| 20:14.13 | Antiarc | *flex* |
| 20:15.46 | Kaydeethree | bleeter, ping |
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| 20:16.46 | bleeter | phew, his delete weren't intentional |
| 20:16.48 | bleeter | Kaydeethree: pong |
| 20:16.54 | Kaydeethree | nvm, you already saw it |
| 20:17.11 | Intangir | NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!! |
| 20:17.36 | Intangir | Antiarc: with my spec i would seriouly dominate you ;) |
| 20:18.12 | Antiarc | Intangir: Nah. Evasion forces a counter-evasion, and surprise attacks > evasion. :D |
| 20:18.41 | Intangir | hemo/stun locks, increasted stealth, increased expose armor, dots, etc.. mean you dont touch me and you die fast |
| 20:18.44 | Intangir | i eat rogues for breakfast |
| 20:19.03 | Antiarc | Perception > MoD, and trinket > Kidney Shot, and yer outta tricks. :D |
| 20:19.07 | Intangir | i havent lost a duel to a rogue in months |
| 20:19.20 | Intangir | i also have a trinket |
| 20:19.28 | Intangir | i seriously havent lost a duel to a rogue in months |
| 20:19.32 | Antiarc | *shrug* |
| 20:19.38 | Intangir | yesterday i killed 2 rogues 1v2 twice in a row ;) |
| 20:19.47 | Antiarc | Combat rogues rely a lot less on the enemy not being able to respond than hemo rogues, IMO |
| 20:20.13 | Antiarc | Plus, Blade Flurry is basically liquid sex in the arena. Pound on a healer and land everyone on their rogue buddy. Verrah nice. :) |
| 20:20.20 | Intangir | combat rogues rely alot more heavily on a adrenaline rush ;) |
| 20:20.23 | Intangir | and stun procs |
| 20:20.27 | Intangir | which are being nerfed in 2 days |
| 20:20.35 | Antiarc | Rogue mace spec isn't being touched |
| 20:20.44 | Antiarc | And AR is nice, but not critical |
| 20:20.45 | Intangir | stun procs are being nerfed ya |
| 20:20.53 | Antiarc | No, warrior stun proc rates are. |
| 20:20.53 | Intangir | so is haste |
| 20:21.06 | Antiarc | Rogue stun procs aren't being touched, but yes, haste is getting the bat. That's a PVE thing though, really. |
| 20:21.22 | Intangir | theres only one way to settle this ;0 |
| 20:21.29 | Intangir | when test server is back up we transfer and duel ;) |
| 20:21.33 | Antiarc | Heheh |
| 20:21.49 | Intangir | dont worry i wont be a sore winner ;) |
| 20:21.51 | Kaydeethree | ptrs are up now |
| 20:21.52 | Antiarc | *grin* |
| 20:22.50 | Antiarc | Dueling's lost a lot of its flavor since arenas hit |
| 20:23.00 | Antiarc | The team dynamic adds to much to a fight, IMO |
| 20:24.05 | Intangir | seems the only thing youve got over me is your weapon |
| 20:24.12 | Intangir | she gives alot of TBR for it |
| 20:24.20 | Antiarc | And it's getting buffed in two days. <_< |
| 20:24.24 | Intangir | really? |
| 20:24.38 | Antiarc | Yeah, gaining 10 topend damage, 4 DPS, and some stats |
| 20:24.43 | Antiarc | Like 1 hit rating and 2 agi or something. |
| 20:24.46 | Intangir | omg |
| 20:24.51 | Intangir | thats sick ;) |
| 20:25.01 | Antiarc | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1602355594&pageNo=1&sid=1#11 <-- Blue saying rogue mace spec is being unchanged |
| 20:25.08 | Antiarc | staying unchanged, rather |
| 20:25.31 | Intangir | dang |
| 20:25.31 | Intangir | hehe |
| 20:25.35 | Intangir | they need to nerf combat in pvp |
| 20:25.42 | Intangir | they shouldnt be so good at raid dps and pvp |
| 20:25.42 | Antiarc | Not really. They need to nerf warriors in PVP. >_> |
| 20:25.52 | Antiarc | I agree that combat shouldn't be the build of choice for PVP though |
| 20:26.04 | Antiarc | I'd love to see that crown go to Mutilate, but resilience makes that really hard. :/ |
| 20:26.15 | buu | JEsus christ. |
| 20:26.22 | Intangir | it should go to my spec ;) |
| 20:26.33 | Intangir | and they should give me dual warglave of azzinoth |
| 20:26.35 | Intangir | OMG |
| 20:26.41 | Intangir | *cream* |
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| 20:26.51 | zenzelezz | finally saw someone with the offhand on my server the other day |
| 20:26.56 | zenzelezz | seen a few mainhands already |
| 20:27.04 | Intangir | i want the mainhand |
| 20:27.15 | Intangir | id love both but mainhand is the best hemo weapon in the game |
| 20:27.19 | Intangir | its insane ;) |
| 20:27.31 | Intangir | well im gonna log in |
| 20:27.32 | Intangir | later guys |
| 20:27.35 | buu | 75% packet loss |
| 20:27.36 | zenzelezz | didn't think anyone used Hemo anymore |
| 20:27.41 | Intangir | yep |
| 20:27.42 | Intangir | i do |
| 20:27.44 | Intangir | lots do |
| 20:27.51 | Kaydeethree | buu; I feel your pain. my old ISP got that bad on occasion |
| 20:27.52 | Intangir | theres a few really great specs with it |
| 20:28.05 | buu | Kaydeethree: Stupid internets. |
| 20:28.17 | buu | Kaydeethree: I can't even call them up and complain, because I Don't have their phone number! |
| 20:28.19 | Antiarc | Hemo's just not attractive enough for the masses, I think, because it can't touch combat swords for PVE, and in team PVP, Mutilate's burst tends to be more desirable than Hemo's higher control |
| 20:28.38 | Fisker- | nerf rogues |
| 20:28.43 | buu | Agreed |
| 20:28.48 | Antiarc | nerf warriors, give intercept to rogues. <_< |
| 20:29.02 | Fisker- | only obvious trolls would nerf rogues |
| 20:29.08 | Fisker- | and i'm an obvious troll |
| 20:29.10 | foxlit | As if rogues already can't catch up to anyone |
| 20:29.13 | Fisker- | so is buu |
| 20:29.25 | Fisker- | and foxlit |
| 20:29.42 | Antiarc | Rogues suffer serious mobility problems in the arena |
| 20:29.50 | buu | I'm trying to think of other classes that can keep you cc'd the entire time they fight you |
| 20:29.52 | Antiarc | Far worse than warriors, for sure. |
| 20:29.59 | Intangir | hemo with premed has burst too |
| 20:30.00 | Antiarc | buu: Mace warriors and warlocks. :V |
| 20:30.08 | Tierrie_ | :( |
| 20:30.10 | Intangir | hemo/premed/cold blood has great burst |
| 20:30.14 | Intangir | and with prep, you can do it twice in a row |
| 20:30.15 | Tierrie_ | i just found out there are hacks to WC3X |
| 20:30.17 | buu | Antiarc: I'm honestly not sure warlocks really count any more. You have at most, what, 20 seconds of fear? |
| 20:30.21 | Tierrie_ | game is no longer fun :( |
| 20:30.29 | buu | Antiarc: And that fear will break if you do any major burst |
| 20:30.30 | foxlit | Between vanish, cloak, blind, stun and disorient effects and the deadly throw snare, I don't think they really have that much of a problem. |
| 20:30.43 | Antiarc | buu: That's more than enough to kill someone. Affliction locks + DOTs + fear = you die and can't do crap about it :P |
| 20:30.50 | buu | Antiarc: l2trinket? |
| 20:31.04 | Antiarc | buu: The same could be said of the rogue's victim ;) |
| 20:31.04 | Intangir | vanish doesnt get you closer to anyone whos running, makes you slower ;) |
| 20:31.11 | Intangir | cloak same doesnt speed you up |
| 20:31.13 | Intangir | blind has a range |
| 20:31.15 | Antiarc | foxlit: I play a rogue and warrior in the arena. The rogue has severely more mobility issues than the warrior |
| 20:31.19 | buu | Antiarc: Yeah, but I don't have 15 different stuns to land on you =[ |
| 20:31.21 | Intangir | deadly throw snare isnt working for me lately |
| 20:31.26 | Intangir | last night it didnt work against 1 fucking mage.. |
| 20:31.29 | Antiarc | buu: Rogues have 2, and 1 requires stealth. |
| 20:31.36 | Intangir | anyone know if mages have something to make them immune to deadly throw? |
| 20:31.37 | Antiarc | The other is a 20-sec cooldown and requires combo points. |
| 20:31.47 | buu | Antiarc: If you have 20 seconds of fear, which seems unlikely, *AND* 400 dps worth of dots.. |
| 20:31.48 | foxlit | Intangir: the point is, you can get out of snare effects. |
| 20:31.55 | Antiarc | Intangir: Snare resist, like Surefooted, perhaps. |
| 20:31.58 | buu | Oh well. |
| 20:32.09 | Intangir | several different mages none of them were effected |
| 20:32.13 | foxlit | Antiarc: Rogues can also pick what they want to attack significantly better than warriors |
| 20:32.21 | Antiarc | foxlit: That's worthless in the arena |
| 20:32.23 | foxlit | Something about sneaking up behind people. |
| 20:32.25 | Antiarc | Because the enemy knows you're there |
| 20:32.25 | Fisker- | why? |
| 20:32.32 | Antiarc | Oh look, 5 man team and we can see 4 |
| 20:32.35 | Fisker- | The range in an arena is pretty much limited to chargerange x 2 |
| 20:32.38 | buu | Antiarc: I'd honestly prefer if no CC affects work on other players. |
| 20:32.40 | Intangir | lol |
| 20:32.40 | Antiarc | Either a rogue or druid. Perception/flare! |
| 20:32.43 | buu | GAH PACKET LOSS. |
| 20:32.45 | Fisker- | and yeah definitely Antiarc |
| 20:32.52 | Fisker- | i just spam consecration |
| 20:32.55 | Intangir | ok nerf warriors, buff rogues |
| 20:32.56 | foxlit | A flare won't save you. |
| 20:32.57 | Antiarc | Rogue stealth is an advantage in world PVP - not much anywhere else |
| 20:32.58 | Intangir | ;) |
| 20:33.00 | Intangir | brb |
| 20:33.14 | foxlit | Perception is a racial that you can deal with. |
| 20:33.23 | Antiarc | Oh, and paranoia. |
| 20:33.34 | Antiarc | Which is the entire team, mind you :) |
| 20:33.48 | Antiarc | Seriously though, intercept is just >>>>> CloS as far as mobility goes, it's not even funny |
| 20:34.11 | buu | Heh, getting coex through clos is the funniest damn thing |
| 20:34.21 | Antiarc | Yeah, that too. CloS isn't 100% foolproof |
| 20:34.29 | Antiarc | Whereas Intercept never fails to get you to your target. |
| 20:34.59 | Arrowmaster | yet warriors bitch when i resist 3 charges/intercepts in a row |
| 20:35.01 | Antiarc | I can intercept 3 times for every 1 time a rogue can CloS, and I have a 10-yard AOE snare, and a targeted spammable snare. |
| 20:35.02 | zenzelezz | assuming you're in range |
| 20:35.13 | Antiarc | 30 yard range isn't hard to get in the arena. |
| 20:35.37 | zenzelezz | wouldn't know, I haven't PvPed for a year and a half |
| 20:35.40 | buu | Antiarc: The intercept needs to not proc unless they get to you =[ |
| 20:35.49 | Antiarc | What, the stun? |
| 20:36.29 | Antiarc | The stun is more of a mechanical thing, really, since otherwise the warrior ends up 8 yards away from their target due to server desynch |
| 20:36.38 | Antiarc | Though I think it's a bit long, to be honest |
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| 20:39.28 | buu | Yeah |
| 20:41.01 | Corrodias | your mom is a bit long |
| 20:41.47 | buu | But if I've stuned him in mid-charge.. |
| 20:42.10 | Antiarc | It's like a frostbolt with a frostbite proc. The frostbite can proc before the bolt hits the target |
| 20:42.14 | Antiarc | Just how it works out, mechanically |
| 20:42.43 | foxlit | And bolt spells know whether they crit before they land |
| 20:43.14 | Corrodias | indeed. i'm curious what happens if somebody hearths just as somebody else casts a bolt spell at them. |
| 20:43.28 | foxlit | It still hits |
| 20:43.33 | Corrodias | but when? |
| 20:43.47 | buu | mjjkHATE. |
| 20:43.51 | foxlit | In whatever time it would've taken to hit if you stood stilll |
| 20:44.13 | foxlit | You can play with the fel cannons in Netherstorm |
| 20:44.30 | Corrodias | so it's a timed thing based on distance rather than when they hit |
| 20:44.33 | foxlit | You can outrun the cannonball tracking graphic, but you'll still get damage |
| 20:44.52 | foxlit | Based on distance at the time of the bolt being sent, yeah. |
| 20:45.04 | Arrowmaster | yeah bolts have a max time before they do damage |
| 20:45.13 | Arrowmaster | so you can outrun the graphic but never the damage |
| 20:45.47 | Arrowmaster | my friend had 20 booterangs come back to him once when he was in nagrand |
| 20:46.23 | Kaydeethree | oh, I have fun doing that, I can get a pretty good lead on those and then fly around a'dal for a while until they finally catch up to me |
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| 21:24.51 | art3mis | i was just thinking ya know what would be an amzing mechanic for wow to add? |
| 21:25.11 | art3mis | the ability fopr spells to hit things in thier path as opposed to thier target |
| 21:25.40 | zenzelezz | "MOVE SO I CAN HEAL THE TANK" |
| 21:25.44 | art3mis | so you're on one side of a mob fighting melee and the caster mob would either be hitting(a chance) the mob between you and it OR it would need to move |
| 21:26.00 | art3mis | im thinking of direct thing |
| 21:26.01 | art3mis | s |
| 21:26.04 | buu | art3mis: Lag > you |
| 21:26.31 | art3mis | healing wouldnt be subjwect to this but things that damage like mf fireball etc would |
| 21:26.51 | buu | If we *wanted* to play dnd.. |
| 21:27.33 | art3mis | i think it would be awesome |
| 21:27.38 | art3mis | mister poopey pants |
| 21:27.50 | zenzelezz | I don't think I understand what you mean still |
| 21:28.23 | art3mis | mage casts fireball |
| 21:28.28 | Cidan | Eh |
| 21:28.30 | art3mis | graphic goes from mage to target |
| 21:28.32 | Cidan | Boot to the head. |
| 21:28.56 | art3mis | something is between mage and target graphic hits thing/mob does damage |
| 21:29.26 | art3mis | instead of the los thing |
| 21:29.31 | Cidan | zenzelezz, think of a first person shooter with a laser gun and a hand pistol. The laser gun will continue through any number of people 'til it hits the target |
| 21:29.42 | Cidan | The pistol just hits the target. |
| 21:31.18 | bleeter | omg... are you say.. Star Wars ... lied? /wrist |
| 21:31.28 | bleeter | saying |
| 21:31.29 | bleeter | bah |
| 21:31.39 | bleeter | so distressed, can't type right |
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| 21:42.52 | Corrodias | CAMBODIAN OIL |
| 21:45.39 | [dRaCo] | they've got oil over there? |
| 21:45.42 | [dRaCo] | lets bomb em! |
| 21:46.48 | Corrodias | not that kind of oil |
| 21:46.53 | [dRaCo] | :/ |
| 21:46.56 | [dRaCo] | but? |
| 21:46.58 | Corrodias | it is age-defying, skin rejuvenation oil! |
| 21:47.10 | Corrodias | try THAT with petroleum! |
| 21:48.01 | [dRaCo] | then lets bomb em for having that oil... our ladies will be grateful! |
| 21:53.02 | foxlit | foo = loadstring("some amount of code"); -- type(foo) == "function" |
| 21:53.24 | foxlit | foo("Argument"); -- Can foo's code determine what "Argument" is? |
| 21:54.31 | JoshBorke | yes |
| 21:54.54 | JoshBorke | lua> local foo = loadstring("function(arg) print(type(arg)) end"); print(type(foo)) |
| 21:55.06 | JoshBorke | >>> local foo = loadstring("function(arg) print(type(arg)) end"); print(type(foo)) |
| 21:55.07 | Cide | JoshBorke: "nil" |
| 21:55.26 | JoshBorke | obviously i fail at loadstring |
| 21:55.34 | foxlit | Yeah, that whole example is a bit meh. |
| 21:55.44 | foxlit | But you're suggesting it's in arg? |
| 21:56.20 | JoshBorke | >>> local foo = loadstring("local a = 10; return a + 20") print(foo()) |
| 21:56.20 | Cide | JoshBorke: 30 |
| 21:56.22 | foxlit | >>> local f = loadstring("out = arg"); f("boo"); print(out); |
| 21:56.22 | Cide | foxlit: { [-1] = "d:\\lua\\Lua.exe", [0] = "d:\\lua\\input.tmp" } (#1) |
| 21:56.26 | JoshBorke | >>> local foo = loadstring("local a = 10; return a + 20") print(type(foo)) |
| 21:56.27 | Cide | JoshBorke: "function" |
| 21:57.32 | JoshBorke | check this page: http://www.lua.org/pil/8.html |
| 21:57.57 | foxlit | That doesn't really help either. |
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| 21:58.48 | JoshBorke | short answer is no, you can't process anything when you call the loadstring |
| 21:58.49 | foxlit | The idea of passing an argument into the loadstring-generated function does not occur there, which doesn't say anything about whether its possible or not |
| 21:59.01 | JoshBorke | from what theey have there |
| 22:02.21 | Iriel | loadstring generates a function with no arguments |
| 22:02.37 | Iriel | you can either wrap the string with a function declaration beforehand |
| 22:03.04 | Iriel | or you can use some mechanism to resolve arguments inside it based on its execution context |
| 22:03.14 | Iriel | think about loadstring as if the contents are a .lua file |
| 22:03.35 | JoshBorke | and in comes iriel with the right answer |
| 22:03.55 | Iriel | JoshBorke: You had the right approach with your example |
| 22:04.19 | foxlit | >>> arg |
| 22:04.19 | Cide | foxlit: { [-1] = "d:\\lua\\Lua.exe", [0] = "d:\\lua\\input.tmp" } (#1) |
| 22:05.05 | JoshBorke | foxlit: according to the webpage, doing loadstring("i = i + 1") is equivalent to doing function() i = i + 1 end |
| 22:06.58 | Iriel | JoshBorke: Your example should've been |
| 22:07.12 | Thrae | Iriel: loadstring doesn't create a function with no arguments, it creates a function with ... as the argument, same as loadfile |
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| 22:07.27 | Iriel | func = loadstring("return function(args) stuff here end"); func = func(); |
| 22:07.39 | JoshBorke | >>> loadstring("return unpack(...)")("fred") |
| 22:07.40 | Cide | JoshBorke: [string "return unpack(...)"]:1: bad argument #1 to 'unpack' (table expected, got string) |
| 22:07.42 | Iriel | Thrae: I stand corrected 8-) |
| 22:07.51 | JoshBorke | >>> print(loadstring("return ...")("fred")) |
| 22:07.51 | Cide | JoshBorke: "fred" |
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| 22:08.05 | Iriel | That's even easier then |
| 22:08.12 | foxlit | Which is significantly more interesting. |
| 22:08.16 | JoshBorke | indeed |
| 22:08.17 | Iriel | loadstring("local a1,a2,a3 = ...; stuff;"); |
| 22:09.32 | JoshBorke | Thrae: you should have them update pil ;-P |
| 22:09.51 | foxlit | pil isn't exactly broken |
| 22:09.57 | foxlit | It just doesn't say anything either way. |
| 22:10.49 | JoshBorke | i pulled my loadstring("i = i + 1") from the PiL |
| 22:11.19 | JoshBorke | interesting, loadstring always operates in a global environment, does that include if you change the environment? |
| 22:11.27 | Iriel | Ah, I see, they added the ... in 5.1 |
| 22:11.35 | Iriel | Presumably because ... became 'free' if not used in 5.1 |
| 22:11.59 | Shirik | loadstring = function(s) return loadstring(s:sub(s, "(%w+)%+%+", "%1 = %1 + 1")) end |
| 22:12.05 | Shirik | wtb ++ operator for Lua |
| 22:12.16 | Iriel | 5.0 reference: Lua handles a chunk as the body of an anonymous function (see 2.5.8). As such, chunks can define local variables and return values. |
| 22:12.25 | JoshBorke | ++ is stupid |
| 22:12.31 | Iriel | 5.1 reference: Lua handles a chunk as the body of an anonymous function with a variable number of arguments (see §2.5.9). As such, chunks can define local variables, receive arguments, and return values. |
| 22:12.59 | Iriel | Shirik: Pre or post increment? |
| 22:13.02 | Kalroth | I want +i+ functionality, ++i and i++ seems silly! |
| 22:13.14 | Shirik | Kalroth: lol |
| 22:13.14 | Iriel | Shirik: It significantly complicates the parser, which is I suspect why it's not there |
| 22:13.22 | Shirik | yeah it's not really necessary |
| 22:13.30 | Iriel | Shirik: += would be convenient, and less messy |
| 22:13.44 | JoshBorke | i wouldn't mind +=, but i'm used to not having it |
| 22:13.50 | Thrae | JoshBorke: int lua_load (lua_State *L, lua_Reader reader, void *data, const char *chunkname); The lua_load function uses a user-supplied reader function to read the chunk (see lua_Reader). The data argument is an opaque value passed to the reader function. |
| 22:14.26 | Kalroth | I think Thrae is just out for trouble! |
| 22:14.33 | Thrae | JoshBorke: Because I just said something to you... |
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| 22:14.57 | TC-Web | ~lart Guillotine |
| 22:14.57 | purl | drops a truckload of VAXen on Guillotine |
| 22:15.06 | Kaydeethree | eek. VAXen |
| 22:15.06 | Guillotine | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:15.11 | Shirik | Kalroth: foo = n+++i+++n; |
| 22:15.17 | Kalroth | JoshBorke: I'm pretty sure it was because Thrae said something to you! |
| 22:15.19 | Thrae | Anyway, someone else in #lua told me about ... for load() earlier today, so I can't take credit for being a PiL-reading-master |
| 22:15.31 | Shirik | is that n+ (++i) + (++n) or n+ (+i+) + n |
| 22:15.50 | JoshBorke | so lua_load is the function called for loadstring? |
| 22:15.53 | Kalroth | Shirik: -i+-i-+i++i--i+-i+ |
| 22:15.57 | Shirik | ow |
| 22:16.06 | Thrae | JoshBorke: lua_load is called for all loadxxx functions |
| 22:16.35 | JoshBorke | so presumably the lua_state *L is the functional environment? |
| 22:16.36 | Kalroth | loadload()? |
| 22:16.42 | Thrae | JoshBorke: Right |
| 22:16.48 | JoshBorke | ok |
| 22:17.04 | Thrae | Kalroth: If you can't figure out that lua_load is called for load(), then you're silly |
| 22:17.20 | Kalroth | Thrae: I am :( |
| 22:17.35 | Kalroth | Being silly, that is. |
| 22:18.13 | Iriel | Anyway, my earlier point is that my answer would've been correct if we hadn't jumped to 5.1 |
| 22:23.33 | Shirik | !api SendAddonMessage |
| 22:23.34 | ThraeBot | Shirik: SendAddonMessage("prefix", "text", "type", "target") -- http://www.wowwiki.com/API_SendAddonMessage |
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| 22:35.15 | Thrae | Hmmm, should I parse a plaintext configuration file or should I just make the configuration file a bunch of tables. |
| 22:35.59 | Thrae | I think I'll just code the latter for now. |
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| 23:01.57 | Olison | &whois MrUseful |
| 23:02.36 | Olison | :( |
| 23:02.42 | Olison | fail. |
| 23:03.20 | Shirik | › name: Manual: http://fireglow.de/wowbot.html - Owner: Ol |
| 23:03.20 | Shirik | › address: i=fnbot15@kittenguild.com |
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| 23:03.34 | Olison | thanks ;) |
| 23:03.34 | Shirik | lol... kittenguild.com |
| 23:12.58 | Kaydeethree | oh wow. KAA's released more of Sailor Moon |
| 23:15.27 | MentalPower | ~seen Kaelten |
| 23:15.28 | purl | kaelten <n=kaelten@c-69-181-47-80.hsd1.ca.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 6h 4m 20s ago, saying: 'kk'. |
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| 23:17.29 | Kirov | You know what I hate? When I'm typing a long reply to someone on the WoW forums with a lot of specific script detail, and when I press "Reply" I get the login screen because I got @#%! timed out. |
| 23:17.34 | zenzelezz | so we're four people dancing naked in Shattrath, okaying I-spy... |
| 23:17.51 | Kirov | When you log back in, hey presto your entire reply is gone |
| 23:18.05 | Kaydeethree | they fixed that a while ago |
| 23:18.16 | Kaydeethree | you should get a login/password box above the reply field |
| 23:18.42 | Kirov | Kaydeethree - Except I'd already loged in, and still showed as being logged in until I pressed reply |
| 23:18.52 | Kirov | Because I'd timed out after already logging in |
| 23:20.26 | Kirov | Ah well, at least I type fast |
| 23:20.43 | Kirov | And always do any scripting outside of the reply frame |
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| 23:38.03 | Guillotine | who was the one that stopped using curse due to click-through ads? |
| 23:38.12 | Kaydeethree | I'm one of them |
| 23:38.26 | Kirov | Curse has ads? |
| 23:38.38 | Kirov | <- evil firefox user |
| 23:42.06 | Guillotine | Kirov: me too :P |
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| 23:43.28 | Guillotine | Kirov: I use greasemonkey to skip click-through ads >.> |
| 23:43.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | Guillotine link :o |
| 23:43.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | er |
| 23:43.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | put a : or two in there |
| 23:43.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | and man |
| 23:43.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | AWA was fun this year |
| 23:44.02 | Kirov | People complain that Adblock is ruining their ability to make money. However, ads make money by being clicked on, not shown. I, as a rule, do NOT click on ads. |
| 23:44.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | kirov, some are pay-per-view and not pay-per-click |
| 23:44.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | but the well paying ones are pay per click |
| 23:44.44 | Guillotine | Kirov: depends on the ads. some are per-view. which is why I tend to just have the images resized to 1x1 on sites I like rather than removed |
| 23:44.47 | Guillotine | so they still make revenue |
| 23:44.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | because pay per view is far too easily abused |
| 23:45.43 | Thrae | Sites that need the revenue from ads but are more likely to have visitors with some type of ad-blocking utility will probably find themselves with a lot less revenue options. |
| 23:46.38 | Guillotine | which is why sites like WoWI have the subscription option |
| 23:46.49 | Kirov | I'm expecting more google-like ads soon to combat the ad blocking utilites |
| 23:47.00 | Guillotine | meh, you can block those too |
| 23:47.01 | Kirov | ie: text only, embeded via php |
| 23:47.10 | Guillotine | greasemonkey ftw |
| 23:47.51 | Kirov | The thing I think a lot of ad companies aren't asking is _why_ we're blocking ads |
| 23:48.20 | Kirov | "Damn it, why are people blocking my flashing, electronic music play, slap the monkey ad?!" |
| 23:48.39 | Kirov | Some sites I enable ads on, like Penny-arcade |
| 23:48.47 | Kirov | Their ads are not intrusive, and are for things I like. |
| 23:49.09 | Kirov | A number of computer hardware sites I do the same. |
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| 23:55.24 | Kirov | ping ckknight |
| 23:55.30 | ckknight | pong |
| 23:55.49 | Kirov | ckknight - dear lord, don't use rock as the default options menu for fubar |
| 23:55.58 | ckknight | NO U |
| 23:56.08 | ckknight | really, it's meant to standardize things |
| 23:56.14 | ckknight | and make my life easier |
| 23:56.38 | Kirov | Yes, but when I right click on the fubar menu I want ot edit the fubar options quickly and easily. |
| 23:56.55 | ckknight | so I'm sure that if you get used to the new system it'll be quick and easy as well |
| 23:56.56 | Kirov | Rock sufficiently does "easily", but fails at "quickly" |
| 23:57.08 | ckknight | I'm of the opinion that people just don't like change |
| 23:57.23 | Kaydeethree | change is good. it's just slower |
| 23:57.46 | Kirov | ckknight - I like Rock, I don't like it popping up every time I'm trying to temporarily enable a fubar plugin |
| 23:58.16 | ckknight | (for terminology's sake, it's RockConfig, a small segment of Rock) |
| 23:58.25 | ckknight | I see your point, but really, I don't see it as a big deal |
| 23:59.41 | Kirov | ckknight - An option to not use rock as the default right click and a rock icon on fubar would be my preference. |
| 23:59.59 | sylvanaar | Interestingly you can just make a fubar plugin to configure fubar |
