| 00:00.04 | kamdis | ~whalenuke Shirik |
| 00:00.05 | purl | ACTION dons his radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around Shirik with his mind powers |
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| 00:00.19 | Shirik | I give up |
| 00:00.23 | kamdis | :) |
| 00:00.27 | Shirik | however I should point out it is apparently possible for me to block a nuke |
| 00:00.29 | Shirik | I did it in RF today |
| 00:00.39 | kamdis | good since i only know one more whale thing |
| 00:00.44 | kamdis | lol |
| 00:00.47 | Shirik | unfortunately the rest of my race died, and I was then surrounded by all cora |
| 00:00.49 | kamdis | that would piss jelly off |
| 00:00.55 | Shirik | at which point they all decided to jump on me |
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| 00:05.33 | herzogzwei | so how precisely do thottbot and wowhead collect info? |
| 00:05.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Just as precisely as the data you submit. |
| 00:05.50 | herzogzwei | I mean, I was led to understand the communication calls in the UI API are pretty limited |
| 00:05.58 | herzogzwei | oh pre-determined formats? |
| 00:06.00 | Thunder_Child | datamining ftw |
| 00:06.08 | ScytheBlade1 | They upload the cache .wdb files |
| 00:06.14 | ScytheBlade1 | With the option of some saved lua files |
| 00:06.37 | ScytheBlade1 | In other words, you'd have to have some semi-sophisticated tools to alter the data saved (as the format isn't exactly common) |
| 00:06.43 | ScytheBlade1 | And it's pretty comprehensive as to what you've seen |
| 00:07.23 | herzogzwei | well |
| 00:07.30 | foxlit | Just me or has wowhead been worse than usual, lately? |
| 00:07.37 | herzogzwei | foxlit: worse how? |
| 00:07.39 | foxlit | Brewfest still wasn't up the last time I checked. |
| 00:07.44 | herzogzwei | oh |
| 00:08.11 | herzogzwei | so does anybody know what goes into parsing out the data after it's received? |
| 00:08.22 | herzogzwei | I am assuming that this is all php/mysql web-based stuff that I've seen for the most part |
| 00:08.44 | foxlit | And they're also missing icons. |
| 00:08.44 | herzogzwei | but are people using php to repurpose the data after it's received? |
| 00:08.48 | foxlit | Them fools. |
| 00:09.04 | herzogzwei | hmm |
| 00:09.07 | herzogzwei | actually better question |
| 00:09.11 | herzogzwei | and it'll help me shut up |
| 00:09.18 | herzogzwei | can someone point me to a reference for the .wdb format? |
| 00:09.26 | ScytheBlade1 | That will indeed help you shut up |
| 00:09.39 | ScytheBlade1 | I had it at one point in time |
| 00:09.40 | herzogzwei | sorry I am not trying to be an ass but I'm really curious about this :) |
| 00:09.42 | foxlit | Works database, baby |
| 00:09.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Not sure where it is now |
| 00:09.47 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 00:09.48 | foxlit | http://filext.com/file-extension/WDB |
| 00:10.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Or not |
| 00:10.20 | ScytheBlade1 | http://wowdev.org/wiki/index.php/WDB |
| 00:11.56 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.sourcepeek.com/wiki/Category:World_of_Warcraft_WDB_Files <-- that looks a lot more comprehensive |
| 00:12.15 | herzogzwei | oh so basically access to bash is all i need |
| 00:12.24 | herzogzwei | from what i'm seeing |
| 00:12.43 | herzogzwei | php would probably be faster though, since i can just count through the data in bytes. |
| 00:12.52 | ScytheBlade1 | In some cases yes |
| 00:13.43 | ScytheBlade1 | It's not exactly the most easy format to parse with PHP or bash |
| 00:13.47 | ScytheBlade1 | But both *could* work |
| 00:14.11 | herzogzwei | ScytheBlade1: proper execution through grepping and pregging can accomplish the end I seek |
| 00:14.22 | herzogzwei | ugh sorry about the bold shit |
| 00:14.23 | herzogzwei | brb |
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| 00:19.09 | herzogzwei | mm irssi |
| 00:20.50 | Shirik | aggggggg |
| 00:20.51 | Shirik | ok |
| 00:21.05 | Shirik | Windows Explorer crashed, and it brought up the little window that says "Do you want to send information to microsoft about the problem?" |
| 00:21.14 | Shirik | But I can't click the damn button because it's crashed! |
| 00:21.21 | Shirik | And explorer won't restart until I click it! |
| 00:21.21 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 00:21.26 | ScytheBlade1 | That's broken |
| 00:21.27 | Polarina | Shirik: Upgrade to GNU/Linux. |
| 00:21.33 | ScytheBlade1 | ctrl+shift+escape for you! |
| 00:21.39 | Shirik | yeah I already hit it |
| 00:21.44 | Shirik | that's the only way I was able to ever get over to irc |
| 00:21.45 | Shirik | to complain |
| 00:22.09 | herzogzwei | Shirik: I've never had explorer crash the debug popup |
| 00:22.24 | herzogzwei | not to say it couldn't happen |
| 00:23.50 | Polarina | ScytheBlade: It's <Ctrl>+<Alt>+<Escape>, and yes, I tried it and nothing happened. I disabled that key combination in xorg.conf. :D |
| 00:24.44 | Polarina | s/ScytheBlade/ScytheBlade1/ |
| 00:25.06 | ScytheBlade1 | lol. I meant under windows. ;) |
| 00:25.08 | Polarina | purl: Thank you. |
| 00:25.08 | purl | Polarina: no problem |
| 00:25.15 | Cidan | huh |
| 00:25.17 | Polarina | purl: You are so kind. |
| 00:25.17 | purl | Polarina: what are you talking about? |
| 00:25.25 | Cidan | so many xorg users |
| 00:25.27 | Polarina | purl: You, of course. |
| 00:25.28 | Cidan | <3 it |
| 00:25.51 | Shirik | Polarina: It's definitely ctrl+shift+esc |
| 00:26.02 | herzogzwei | ... |
| 00:26.03 | Shirik | I use it all the time, and I don't use ctrl+alt+del |
| 00:26.03 | Polarina | Shirik: Ok. |
| 00:26.14 | herzogzwei | :) |
| 00:26.16 | Polarina | Good night everyone. |
| 00:26.26 | Cidan | nini Polarina |
| 00:26.35 | herzogzwei | nite polarina |
| 00:26.53 | herzogzwei | whats your addon? |
| 00:27.01 | Polarina | herzogzwei: Valuation. |
| 00:28.04 | Cidan | Linky? |
| 00:28.53 | Polarina | Cidan: http://wowinterface.com/downloads/info7493-Valuation.html |
| 00:28.59 | Cidan | Oh neat |
| 00:29.09 | Cidan | Simple prebuilt, that works well. |
| 00:29.21 | Polarina | Cidan: 95 KiB memory. |
| 00:29.36 | kamdis | nice, i'll try it |
| 00:29.36 | Cidan | I like it |
| 00:29.48 | Polarina | kamdis, Cidan: Thanks. |
| 00:30.08 | Polarina | Don't forget to recommend it to your guild mates and friends. MOTD? xD |
| 00:30.11 | Industrial | how do i get an itemid when I only have the name? (Soothing Spices) |
| 00:30.23 | kamdis | wowhead or thottbot? |
| 00:30.27 | Polarina | Industrial: Do you have it in your inventory? |
| 00:30.36 | Cidan | I'll do you one better |
| 00:30.39 | Industrial | Polarina: no |
| 00:31.05 | Polarina | Industrial: Then you can't, unless you have an Name -> ID converstation table around here.. |
| 00:31.09 | Corrodias | valuation is a combat analyzer (damage meter), isn't it? |
| 00:31.21 | Polarina | Corrodias: That's Violation. |
| 00:31.27 | Industrial | arr ok |
| 00:31.33 | Industrial | ill get some then :P |
| 00:31.54 | Industrial | Polarina: ok got some (lol) |
| 00:31.58 | kamdis | http://thottbot.com/i3713 the end of that link should be the item ID, no? |
| 00:32.09 | Industrial | kamdis: that will not match hte ingame one for sure |
| 00:32.13 | kamdis | oh |
| 00:32.30 | Corrodias | ah |
| 00:32.32 | Polarina | http://thottbot.com/i7005 matches the in-game ID. |
| 00:32.36 | kamdis | but would it if it were say an axe rather than soothing spices? |
| 00:33.00 | Corrodias | what are other good ones? i'm concerned about recount's amount of transmitted data, so i know i want to try violation and .. um.. what's that other one... |
| 00:33.16 | kamdis | assessment |
| 00:33.18 | kamdis | ? |
| 00:33.29 | Cidan | Polarina: www.conspiracy-ui.com |
| 00:33.30 | Cidan | :P |
| 00:33.40 | Corrodias | that's the one |
| 00:33.55 | Corrodias | i need to see how good they are. recount has so much data; it is wonderful |
| 00:34.12 | kamdis | yeah. i can't give up the pretty charts. |
| 00:36.07 | Polarina | Cidan: !! o.O Thanks a lot. |
| 00:36.40 | Cidan | Anytime, :D |
| 00:37.08 | Polarina | Cidan: Now spam forums.worldofwarcraft.com. :P |
| 00:37.11 | Polarina | Anyway, good night. |
| 00:37.13 | Cidan | haha, :P |
| 00:37.14 | Cidan | Night |
| 00:37.35 | Cidan | Man, I think you're the first person to say "anyway" correctly |
| 00:37.43 | Polarina | o.O |
| 00:37.48 | Cidan | Most say "anyways" |
| 00:37.54 | kamdis | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:37.57 | Polarina | O.o |
| 00:38.02 | kamdis | I hate that |
| 00:38.14 | Cidan | As do I, but it still doesn't top my number one pet peeve. |
| 00:38.27 | kamdis | which is? |
| 00:38.33 | Thunder_Child | his women look like keyboards |
| 00:38.39 | kamdis | lol |
| 00:38.41 | Cidan | I don't understand why people put question marks at the end of statements? <--- that |
| 00:39.07 | Thunder_Child | because it's an interogitive |
| 00:39.12 | Cidan | I don't care |
| 00:39.16 | kamdis | my old onumber one has been dethroned by the apostrophe in plurals |
| 00:39.16 | Thunder_Child | i dont think i spelled that correctly |
| 00:39.16 | Industrial | Cidan: that means you are an anoying bitch and end all your sentenced with a high pitch and deserve to be strangled. |
| 00:39.16 | Cidan | Recast the statement |
| 00:39.19 | Cidan | into a question. |
| 00:39.31 | Industrial | sentences* |
| 00:41.04 | Cidan | lulz. |
| 00:41.20 | Cide | "It's a *really* tiny addon [...] 20 thousand items" |
| 00:41.21 | Industrial | robot chicken season 1 done \o/ |
| 00:41.24 | Cide | inconceivable! |
| 00:41.39 | Cidan | :P |
| 00:41.42 | Cidan | Look at it your sel |
| 00:41.42 | Cidan | f |
| 00:41.59 | Cide | good, you're actually using a string |
| 00:42.03 | Cide | way too few mods do that |
| 00:42.21 | Thunder_Child | crap, now i have that movie stuck in my head |
| 00:43.26 | Cidan | That's so fucking bullshit. |
| 00:43.39 | Cidan | The new PS3's can't play PS2/PS1 discs. |
| 00:43.55 | Thunder_Child | nope |
| 00:44.10 | Cidan | First, they move to hardware emulation with the PS3. Hardware was costing too much. Fine, I buy that. |
| 00:44.25 | Cidan | Now, they're just like, "Fuck it" and took it out all together. |
| 00:45.19 | Cidan | Now I need to be sure when I get a PS3, I get one of the old ones with the emotion engine in it. |
| 00:46.26 | Corrodias | yay sony |
| 00:46.35 | Thunder_Child | i'm surprised, a sheeped mob resisted pyro but it didnt break sheep |
| 00:46.47 | ScytheBlade1 | I've had that happen before. |
| 00:46.48 | Corrodias | well, he took no damage |
| 00:46.50 | ScytheBlade1 | It's kinda depressing. |
| 00:47.01 | Corrodias | same goes for hunter traps |
| 00:47.18 | Thunder_Child | i know Corrodias, but thats something that usualy seems to work on blizz's side, not the players |
| 00:47.24 | Corrodias | you can polymorph somebody in an ice trap and it'll stay trapped |
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| 00:47.43 | Thunder_Child | thats diff, thats a non dmg spell |
| 00:48.21 | Thunder_Child | i know thats the was y it should work i am merely surprised, thats all |
| 00:48.26 | Corrodias | okay |
| 00:48.29 | Speeddymon | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_MoneyInputFrame_GetCopper says that it is not a real API, but yet, I am able to use it in addons .. if I am able to use it in addons, then wouldnt it in fact be a real API? if so, would it be acceptable for me to change {{framexmlfunc|FrameXML/MoneyInputFrame.lua}} in the edit page to {{wowapi}} ?? |
| 00:48.29 | Thunder_Child | way* |
| 00:49.16 | Thunder_Child | couldnt you be tapping into another addon that uses it? |
| 00:49.18 | Corrodias | i am having trouble distinguishing between the Closed Zones category and the Lore Zones category. what if it's not in the game files, but it appears on the overworld map? |
| 00:49.48 | Speeddymon | well, currently I disabled all addons, and it is defined in the interface data in framexml (i did verify that) |
| 00:53.39 | Speeddymon | .. ok ill change it then.. |
| 00:54.49 | Corrodias | to me, it seems that if a location exists in lore but does not exist in the game files, it should be in the Lore Zones category |
| 00:55.11 | Corrodias | regardless of whether or not it appears on the map (such as the maelstrom) |
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| 00:56.01 | Shirik | ~dict deafening |
| 00:56.26 | Corrodias | and Closed Zones would be for normaly inaccessible areas that do exist |
| 00:56.41 | Corrodias | then the question arises of what to do with places like Newman's Landing |
| 00:56.57 | Corrodias | it's not "normally inaccessible", but it's out of the way and decorative |
| 01:00.42 | dreamss | Closed Zones = gm island - Lore Zones = hyjal? |
| 01:01.15 | Corrodias | can't talk now |
| 01:01.18 | Corrodias | racing! |
| 01:02.57 | Astika | question: even if you change resolutions from 4:3, to 5:4, to 16:9, the height is constant, so frames are always positioned in relation to the resolution? |
| 01:06.11 | Cidan | If you're not supposed to be there, don't go there. |
| 01:06.12 | Cidan | Done |
| 01:07.40 | Thunder_Child | i love it when the SD750 costs $229 and the SD1000 costs $199 |
| 01:08.17 | Corrodias | that doesn't answer the question, Cidan |
| 01:08.25 | Corrodias | this is talking about WoWWiki categories, not about ethics |
| 01:08.34 | Cidan | oh right |
| 01:09.02 | Corrodias | aw, we can find you a topic |
| 01:09.09 | Corrodias | i hear there's a .999~ = 1 poll |
| 01:09.14 | Cidan | I hate you |
| 01:10.13 | Thunder_Child | heh |
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| 01:24.21 | Wobin | sigh |
| 01:24.32 | Wobin | we totally need the one pull auction info api call |
| 01:24.33 | Wobin | stat |
| 01:25.51 | Wobin | crai |
| 01:25.59 | Wobin | I just lost all my stockpiled leatherworking good =( |
| 01:26.17 | Wobin | Including all my cobra scale etal =( |
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| 01:32.33 | dreamss | how? |
| 01:33.08 | Wobin | Mailbox bouncing |
| 01:33.16 | dreamss | lame |
| 01:33.18 | Wobin | and timing out, I guess |
| 01:33.18 | dreamss | mmm |
| 01:33.23 | Wobin | wtb more slots for mules |
| 01:33.50 | dreamss | this disconect on zonein bug sucks ass |
| 01:33.56 | dreamss | im not the only one affected |
| 01:34.22 | dreamss | either cache or an addon sigh |
| 01:36.18 | Corrodias | being my most efficient, i obtained 12x3 tickets from the "racing" quest |
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| 01:43.38 | BrianH | yo |
| 01:45.21 | BrianH | Cidan, no luck with this image, you happen to know where there's a working example I can use to see if it's the image file? I checked out the Addon Kit examples but havent found anything |
| 01:46.02 | ScytheBlade1 | holy crap @ http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2215843384&sid=1&pageNo=2#23 |
| 01:46.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Remind me to never, ever, EVER work public tech support for any software company |
| 01:46.42 | |Jelly| | eoe |
| 01:46.44 | |Jelly| | wow too |
| 01:46.55 | |Jelly| | He was a LOT nicer than the "FUCK OFF ASSHOLE" that he would have gotten from me. |
| 01:47.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah. I don't have that kind of patience. |
| 01:48.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Datth deserves a raise for that alone, lol |
| 01:48.25 | |Jelly| | My response would honestly probably get me fired. |
| 01:49.51 | Kaydeethree | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2215843384&postId=22152652400&sid=1#72 |
| 01:50.35 | ScytheBlade1 | #73 |
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| 01:57.22 | Cidan | oh BrianH |
| 01:57.24 | Cidan | show me your code |
| 01:57.27 | Cidan | please |
| 01:59.34 | BrianH | Cidan, http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2215643881&postId=22153152760&sid=1 |
| 01:59.53 | BrianH | posted a topic in the forums to see if I could get some more input on the issue. |
| 02:00.50 | Cidan | oh er |
| 02:00.54 | Cidan | I don't use XML ever |
| 02:01.08 | Cidan | I swear it off, sorry. I don't know how to work with it. |
| 02:01.14 | Cidan | I do all my frames in lua |
| 02:01.20 | BrianH | how do you do that? |
| 02:01.29 | Cidan | via the API |
| 02:01.49 | Cidan | I have a complex framework setup in Conspiracy, you can create textures, frames, etc on the fly |
| 02:02.15 | Cidan | and they are reused textures that are pooled, not static like XML |
| 02:02.22 | Cidan | but the easy way, is er |
| 02:02.30 | Cidan | local f = CreateFrame("frame") |
| 02:02.31 | Cidan | :P |
| 02:02.44 | BrianH | holy smokes |
| 02:03.16 | BrianH | thats a lot less code then setting up a frame in XML |
| 02:03.26 | Cidan | well you still have to |
| 02:03.52 | Cidan | f:SetHeight(100); f:SetWidth(100); f:SetPoint("TOPLEFT", UIParent, "TOPLEFT"); f:Show(); |
| 02:03.59 | Cidan | oh and f:SetBackdrop(whatever); |
| 02:04.24 | Cidan | but if you write some sort of frame creation function or something, you can do it quickly, :P |
| 02:04.33 | BrianH | right, but its still a lot easier to use an lua function to make a UI element then to code every freggin tag out in XML |
| 02:04.58 | Cidan | I agree, others do not. |
| 02:05.13 | Cidan | Not just that, it's more dynamic. To each their own though. |
| 02:05.29 | Cidan | and if you want a texture, f:CreateTexture() |
| 02:05.38 | Cidan | local tex = f:CreateTexture() |
| 02:05.49 | Cidan | tex:SetDrawLayer("ARTWORK"); |
| 02:05.56 | BrianH | o.O |
| 02:06.13 | BrianH | any docs for beginners to XMLless development? |
| 02:06.25 | BrianH | other then the API |
| 02:06.30 | Cidan | tex:SetTexture("Interface\\Addons\\Conspiracy\\Textures\\HelloKitty"); |
| 02:06.31 | Cidan | :P |
| 02:06.44 | Cidan | er, no, not really |
| 02:06.46 | Cidan | You know |
| 02:07.06 | Cidan | I think this weekend I'm going to write a simple and make-sense tutorial on LUA WoW usage |
| 02:07.06 | BrianH | someone needs to sit down and really hammer on the API documentation |
| 02:07.17 | Cidan | All these other tutorials I read just... don't make sense. |
| 02:08.07 | BrianH | the WoW wiki has a decent API database, but for anyone just learning it's almost impossible to find a direction to start with |
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| 02:08.33 | Cidan | Gimmi like |
| 02:08.36 | Cidan | 15 min |
| 02:08.42 | Cidan | I'm just going to write a tutorial now. |
| 02:08.48 | BrianH | awesome |
| 02:08.57 | Cidan | I'll put it up on www.conspiracy-ui.com |
| 02:10.35 | dreamss | does anyone hapen to know if seed of corruption triggers nightfall? |
| 02:13.06 | Corrodias | odd... my wow seems to have frozen as if i were being disconnected, yet is not proceeding to the login screen |
| 02:14.38 | Corrodias | i don't think i was AFK long enough to be disconnected... |
| 02:14.48 | Corrodias | perhaps an addon has entered an infinite loop, but i'll never know |
| 02:20.13 | BrianH | brb, doing daily Brewfest quests |
| 02:20.53 | Cidan | BrianH_afk: k, almost done, kinda |
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| 02:26.19 | Kaso | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c1/PAGEOS.jpg |
| 02:26.29 | Kaso | Man that looks like something out of science fiction |
| 02:26.36 | Kaso | i had no idea things like that actually existed |
| 02:28.00 | buu | Kaso: What is that? |
| 02:28.41 | Kaso | its a Passive communcations satelite, it went into orbit, was inflated then refelcted microwave transmissions off it's serfice |
| 02:28.52 | buu | Sexy. |
| 02:30.18 | Thunder_Child | that is a very big hanger |
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| 02:32.31 | Thunder_Child | interesting, they seem to be inflating it with carbon dixocide |
| 02:32.43 | Thunder_Child | dioxcide |
| 02:32.50 | Thunder_Child | dioxide* |
| 02:33.51 | Kaso | if that thing had of burst whilst it was tested and full of CO2 i cant imagen it would be a good thing for those guys standing near to it. |
| 02:34.00 | Kaso | prob be suffocated :< |
| 02:35.44 | Kaso | its also amusing to think that it prob needed only a tiny capsule of gas to fill it once it was in space |
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| 02:38.31 | BrianH | well that was a wasted daily |
| 02:39.05 | BrianH | went outside Org, accepted the barral run quest, mounted on the ram, then BAM got ganked by a rogue |
| 02:39.19 | Thunder_Child | lol "If you picked up a wired version of Apple's new thin aluminum keyboard you may have noticed that the caps lock function is all but useless. Only a good long press of the key will activate the function, and if you so much as breathe on it, caps lock disengages. So, is Apple spearheading an anti-caps lock campaign?" |
| 02:39.35 | Kaydeethree | hope so |
| 02:41.57 | nymbia | maybe they could put something useful in that prime key real estate... |
| 02:42.15 | Cidan | BrianH: http://www.conspiracy-ui.com/lua |
| 02:42.20 | Cidan | Very basic |
| 02:42.36 | BrianH | Cidan, checking it out now, thanks |
| 02:42.36 | Cidan | But it gets the point across well enough that you should be able to fly on your own |
| 02:43.11 | Cidan | A part of it requires knowing the lua language, but if you're good enough you can pick it up as you go without too much heavy reading. |
| 02:43.25 | Cidan | A lot of it requires being creative and thinking outside of teh b0xz0r |
| 02:44.02 | BrianH | nice, I like that you wrote it in commented code |
| 02:46.58 | BrianH | wow, what would have taken at least 50 lines of XML takes 9 lines of Lua |
| 02:47.01 | Cidan | I just think writing 4-5 lines of code is so much better than XML, even for people who are just starting. BUT, that's just my opinion. |
| 02:49.18 | BrianH | I'm gonna have to delete everthing I did with this Addon and start from scratch, this is looking much better now |
| 02:49.26 | Cidan | :) |
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| 02:54.24 | Cidan | also |
| 02:54.41 | Cidan | if you're going to code in lua, get some sort of program to work with it |
| 02:54.45 | Cidan | I use SciTE |
| 02:54.59 | Cidan | There is a version that was made for WoW, it's a bit out of date but I <3 it |
| 02:55.04 | Cidan | WowSciTE |
| 02:55.12 | BrianH | for OSX? |
| 02:55.15 | Cidan | I've been thinking about going back and updating it someday |
| 02:55.18 | Cidan | oh right |
| 02:55.18 | Cidan | nm |
| 02:55.22 | Cidan | you're Mac, :P |
| 02:55.26 | BrianH | yep |
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| 02:58.46 | BrianH | Smultron has Lua syntax coloring, but that's about it |
| 02:58.58 | Cidan | Good enough |
| 02:59.59 | BrianH | so with this .lua, do I need an .xml file? |
| 03:00.04 | Cidan | nopers |
| 03:00.22 | BrianH | just the toc and the lua |
| 03:00.23 | Cidan | If you look at Conspiracy, or rather when it comes out, we don't have s single XML file anywhere, at all. |
| 03:00.26 | Cidan | Yep |
| 03:00.30 | BrianH | nice |
| 03:01.34 | Cidan | It's also a nicely built framework; I handle all the graphical framework creation, Shirik does all the backend and data supplying work |
| 03:01.56 | Cidan | such as units, timers, modules, etc. That was all Shirik. |
| 03:02.01 | Shirik | And it's huge |
| 03:02.04 | Shirik | and has zero XML |
| 03:02.07 | Cidan | It is. |
| 03:02.23 | Shirik | I just hate it. I understand it, but I can do stuff (in my mind) much more quickly in Lua |
| 03:02.33 | Shirik | some can do it faster in XML, it's just preference |
| 03:03.06 | art3mis | eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 03:03.15 | art3mis | neat got an invite to grandcentral.com |
| 03:03.21 | art3mis | and with that i can invite 10 people |
| 03:03.29 | Cidan | what is it? |
| 03:03.39 | art3mis | virtual call forwarding |
| 03:03.58 | art3mis | basically its a fake phone number that has call following so you can forwzrd to yer home cell etc |
| 03:04.11 | art3mis | complete with voicemail n stuff |
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| 03:04.57 | BrianH | Cidan, hah, this is awesome, I just tested it out. Thanks a MILLION :) |
| 03:04.58 | Cidan | er |
| 03:05.03 | Cidan | Vonage can do that too, :P |
| 03:05.11 | Cidan | BrianH: No problem man. |
| 03:05.22 | BrianH | Cidan, how do I setup slash commands? |
| 03:06.07 | BrianH | nevermind, I'm a retard |
| 03:06.26 | Cidan | Oh right, er, remind me to do that, add slash commands to Conspiracy |
| 03:06.26 | Cidan | :P |
| 03:06.54 | Industrial | this site is asking for my hight in feet AND inches |
| 03:06.58 | Industrial | I have no idea. |
| 03:07.01 | art3mis | cidan: grandcentral is free |
| 03:07.03 | Kaydeethree | google |
| 03:07.08 | Industrial | 81cm. |
| 03:07.09 | art3mis | www.grandcentral.com |
| 03:07.14 | Cidan | art3mis: But I have Vonage as my main line anyways, :P |
| 03:07.30 | Industrial | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:07.38 | Industrial | yay, does work :P (even if not by google calc) |
| 03:07.56 | Industrial | er, lol. |
| 03:07.57 | Industrial | im an idiot. |
| 03:08.05 | Industrial | 1m81cm : |
| 03:08.11 | Industrial | :p |
| 03:08.15 | Kaydeethree | was about to say... you're not even a meter tall? |
| 03:09.25 | Kaydeethree | it's funny, gcalc goes from imperial to metric just fine... 5 feet 11 inches in meters works just fine |
| 03:09.55 | Industrial | but not from metric to imperial, because imperial is retarded. |
| 03:10.02 | Industrial | *cough* |
| 03:10.20 | Industrial | google is saying "no! its already right!" |
| 03:11.13 | Kaydeethree | heh, you're just barely taller than I am |
| 03:11.19 | Kaydeethree | now that I think about it |
| 03:12.41 | art3mis | cidan |
| 03:12.55 | art3mis | cidan: this way you can give a number to someone and not give them your real home number ;) |
| 03:13.19 | Cidan | Ah, true |
| 03:13.21 | Cidan | but uh |
| 03:13.24 | Cidan | why? |
| 03:13.24 | Cidan | lol |
| 03:13.30 | Cidan | It's somewhat pointless to me |
| 03:13.31 | Kaydeethree | "home number"? |
| 03:13.34 | Kaydeethree | people still have landlines? |
| 03:13.38 | Cidan | I do |
| 03:13.44 | Cidan | I dislike all cellphones. |
| 03:13.52 | Industrial | hah, I have that too |
| 03:13.52 | art3mis | it does roaming |
| 03:13.53 | Cidan | In particular because in the USA they are a rip off. |
| 03:13.54 | Industrial | even my own |
| 03:14.05 | art3mis | as in you can set home cell work |
| 03:14.14 | Industrial | crap ass java software, I hate it. |
| 03:14.14 | art3mis | and itll "hunt" through til it gets an answer |
| 03:14.36 | art3mis | it's got voicemail and stuff and its free ;) |
| 03:14.41 | Industrial | maybe a smartphone with linux is something for me |
| 03:14.43 | art3mis | anyone want an invite to play with? |
| 03:14.44 | Industrial | but meh, money.. |
| 03:15.18 | art3mis | just msg me first name last name and email |
| 03:16.14 | art3mis | oh the other neat feature is that you can put a "call me" button on a webpage |
| 03:16.20 | BrianH | Cidan, whats all the hype about Protected functions? |
| 03:16.30 | Kaydeethree | we can't use them |
| 03:16.41 | Cidan | pretty much |
| 03:16.49 | art3mis | and the service will then call the person(after they type in thier number) confirm then call you without giving out your number |
| 03:16.52 | Cidan | before certain patches, we used to be able to use those functions |
| 03:16.56 | Cidan | but we can't anymore |
| 03:17.11 | Cidan | For various reasons, ie: Addons that would bot, etc. |
| 03:17.31 | BrianH | so how do I make the frame movable if I can't use EnableMouse? |
| 03:17.38 | Cidan | Look closer |
| 03:17.39 | Cidan | :P |
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| 03:17.46 | BrianH | IsMovable();? |
| 03:17.54 | Cidan | Newp, look at the Frame widget API |
| 03:18.00 | BrianH | I am |
| 03:18.13 | BrianH | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:19.01 | BrianH | oooh, I think I got it |
| 03:19.07 | Cidan | mmhmm |
| 03:19.17 | Cidan | one thing I should mention is scripts |
| 03:19.31 | Cidan | frame:SetScript(name, function); |
| 03:20.54 | Shirik | since when can't you use EnableMouse? |
| 03:20.57 | Cidan | you need to set a script that detects when the mouse clicks DOWN (start moving) |
| 03:21.02 | BrianH | ack, I can't find OnMouseDown and OnMouseUp |
| 03:21.03 | Cidan | and clicks UP (stop moving) |
| 03:21.16 | Cidan | BrianH: SetScript does that. |
| 03:21.39 | Cidan | BrianH: frame:SetScript("OnMouseDown" function() frame:StartMoving(); end); |
| 03:21.49 | Cidan | though not sure OnMouseDown is a valid script for frames. |
| 03:23.19 | Shirik | http://www.wowwiki.com/Widget_Handlers |
| 03:23.26 | Cidan | yeah |
| 03:23.28 | Cidan | was about to link that |
| 03:23.29 | Cidan | http://www.wowwiki.com/Widget_Handlers |
| 03:23.31 | Cidan | :( |
| 03:23.34 | Shirik | I win! |
| 03:23.38 | Shirik | And yes, it is valid for frames |
| 03:23.38 | Cidan | No kidding |
| 03:23.46 | Cidan | Well then, there you go. |
| 03:23.53 | Cidan | I use a single handler my self |
| 03:24.23 | Shirik | also, I should slap whoever wrote OnClick |
| 03:24.40 | Cidan | Wai? |
| 03:25.09 | Shirik | arguments are not returned |
| 03:25.12 | Shirik | they are passed |
| 03:25.13 | Shirik | returning and passing is not the same |
| 03:25.15 | Shirik | fixed anyway |
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| 03:35.03 | BrianH | back, had to handle some business . . . anyways, I'll try SetScript real quick |
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| 03:37.22 | Kaydeethree | gack, one of my pooer keg runs... 9 |
| 03:37.28 | BrianH | getting an error |
| 03:37.28 | Sixen | =) |
| 03:37.30 | Kaydeethree | s/pooer/poorer/ |
| 03:37.31 | BrianH | ')' expected near 'function' |
| 03:37.34 | Sixen | 22:3 ratio is pretty good. |
| 03:37.35 | Sixen | ;) |
| 03:37.53 | Cidan | show me the code |
| 03:38.04 | BrianH | same as yours above |
| 03:38.29 | BrianH | f:SetScript("OnMouseDown" function() f:StartMoving(); end); |
| 03:38.38 | Cidan | oh |
| 03:38.38 | Cidan | , |
| 03:38.39 | Cidan | :P |
| 03:38.44 | Cidan | after the last quote |
| 03:38.44 | BrianH | f:SetScript("OnMouseUp" function() f:StopMovingOrSizing(); end); |
| 03:38.54 | BrianH | ooh, l |
| 03:38.55 | Cidan | "OnMouseDown", |
| 03:38.56 | Cidan | :P |
| 03:39.00 | Cidan | it's two arguments |
| 03:39.05 | BrianH | yeah, just noticed that too |
| 03:39.23 | BrianH | why is function() there? |
| 03:39.37 | Cidan | You're creating a function on the fly |
| 03:39.42 | Cidan | For example |
| 03:40.03 | Cidan | local t = function(number) DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage(number); end |
| 03:40.12 | Cidan | t("12"); |
| 03:40.33 | BrianH | right, so should include the ; after function()? |
| 03:41.05 | BrianH | ooh, nvm, I see what you're saying |
| 03:41.45 | BrianH | your declaring the function and initializing it in one step |
| 03:42.03 | Cidan | yeah, you could say that |
| 03:43.03 | BrianH | so I still have to ise f:IsMovable(); right? |
| 03:43.05 | Sixen | ~Summon KD3 |
| 03:43.05 | purl | apt takes out 20 clean, identical-looking phones, some extra hands, and pretends to be a telemarketer for a large corporation, so he gets delivered a phonelist containing KD3's coordinates |
| 03:43.08 | BrianH | use* |
| 03:43.20 | Cidan | Not really, no, f:IsMovable just checks to see if the frame can be moved |
| 03:43.25 | Cidan | it returns true or nil |
| 03:43.59 | Cidan | What you DO need to do is f:SetMovable(true); |
| 03:44.00 | BrianH | doh, didnt see SetMovable(); |
| 03:44.03 | Cidan | :P |
| 03:44.28 | Cidan | It's easy once you get the hand of it |
| 03:44.32 | Cidan | Learn to love WoWWiki |
| 03:44.36 | Cidan | it is <3 |
| 03:44.48 | Cidan | Just read it over every time you want to do something |
| 03:45.10 | Cidan | it also helps if you grab another addon you use and look/study at the lua |
| 03:45.58 | BrianH | most of the ones I use are XML heavy |
| 03:46.20 | BrianH | you should start slapping these devs around and force them to the darkside of Lua |
| 03:48.13 | Cidan | I tried that |
| 03:48.19 | Cidan | I got yelled at by like, 20 people in here |
| 03:48.29 | BrianH | dangit, I must be missing something else, I have the 2 handlers set for OnMouseDown and OnMouseUp set, and SetMovable(); but the frame wont budge |
| 03:48.36 | Cidan | So I backed off and now present it only as an option. |
| 03:48.44 | BrianH | ahaha nice |
| 03:49.20 | Cidan | hmm |
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| 03:57.53 | Cidan | wtfhax |
| 03:58.00 | Cidan | How is WoW zombied? |
| 03:58.03 | Cidan | what the hell? |
| 03:58.15 | Sixen | o_O? |
| 04:01.57 | Cidan | wtf |
| 04:02.02 | Cidan | I can't even attach a debugger |
| 04:02.06 | Cidan | ...time to reboot. |
| 04:02.08 | Sixen | o_o.. |
| 04:08.59 | Shirik | uh |
| 04:09.04 | Shirik | if it's zombied, why would you attach a debugger? |
| 04:09.50 | Sixen | What are we talking about, :( |
| 04:11.30 | Sixen | Anyone know where KD3 went? |
| 04:23.14 | Cidan | er |
| 04:23.16 | Cidan | wtf |
| 04:23.17 | Shirik | rawr |
| 04:23.25 | Cidan | Why does the wiki say EnableMouse is protected? |
| 04:23.33 | Shirik | I think it's protected in combat |
| 04:24.05 | Cidan | Hmm, we need to come up with a way to denote that |
| 04:24.13 | Shirik | I said this a while ago |
| 04:24.15 | Shirik | nobody listened |
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| 04:28.28 | TrixIsOwned | hey. :< |
| 04:28.34 | Shirik | rawr |
| 04:29.03 | TrixIsOwned | is there a addon that i could use to scale the auction browser and move it and such? |
| 04:32.12 | kadrahil | TrixIsOwned: http://www.curse.com/downloads/details/4864/ |
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| 04:33.33 | TrixIsOwned | thanks kadrahil |
| 04:33.34 | TrixIsOwned | :) |
| 04:33.38 | kadrahil | np |
| 04:43.49 | Legorol | stupid System Restore |
| 04:44.07 | Legorol | it fixed the registry issue i was having, but it rolled back WoW to 2.2.0, but only partially |
| 04:44.26 | Legorol | it rolled back the files in the main WoW folder (including WoW.exe) but not the ones in the Data folder |
| 04:44.32 | Legorol | so i couldn't patch up from 2.2.0 to 2.2.2 |
| 04:50.00 | Shirik | lol |
| 04:56.24 | Thunder_Child | Legorol, what about repair? |
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| 05:08.08 | Legorol | Thunder_Child: the repair tool is my archnemesis |
| 05:08.19 | Thunder_Child | cant hurt to try |
| 05:08.21 | Legorol | problem is, i have file corruption issues on this computer |
| 05:08.31 | Legorol | for some reason, the WoW mpqs (and those only) get corrupted |
| 05:08.36 | Legorol | i have not yet figured out why |
| 05:08.49 | Legorol | whenever i run the repair tool, it finds a random set of files in the mpqs that are apparently corrupted |
| 05:09.02 | Legorol | each run, it finds different files |
| 05:09.10 | Legorol | and it always gives up without repairing them |
| 05:09.14 | Legorol | telling me to reinstall |
| 05:09.55 | Legorol | The problem is this bad: if i install wow from scratch, on three identical install paths i got mpq files with three different md5 sums |
| 05:10.01 | Legorol | so they are already getting corrupted during installation |
| 05:10.33 | Legorol | on top of that, i took a copy of wow on another computer (where the files aren't corrupted, and verified by the repair tool), copied them to my machine, |
| 05:10.45 | Legorol | verified with md5 that the copying itself didn't corrupt them, so i know i have a good set of mpqs |
| 05:11.01 | Legorol | if i now run the repair tool, it claims they are corrupted and again finds a random set of files that are supposed to be corrupted |
| 05:11.39 | Legorol | so even just verifying non-corrupted mpqs seem impossible |
| 05:11.39 | Legorol | and i don't know why |
| 05:11.39 | Shirik | ow |
| 05:11.39 | Shirik | too many Legorols in a column |
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| 05:11.46 | Legorol | i have tried all the troubleshooting steps suggested to me so far |
| 05:11.52 | Legorol | including running memory test for hours |
| 05:11.58 | Legorol | jiggling hard disk cables |
| 05:12.04 | Legorol | checkdisk with surface scan |
| 05:12.06 | Legorol | etc etc |
| 05:12.14 | Legorol | i'm out of ideas atm |
| 05:12.19 | Thunder_Child | sounds more like a software issue not a hardeware one |
| 05:12.57 | Thunder_Child | could it have messed up the reg for wow? althought wow is fairly reg independent |
| 05:13.12 | Legorol | wow is reg independent |
| 05:13.28 | Legorol | and that wouldn't explain why, on three fresh installs, i end up with mpqs that have different md5 sums |
| 05:13.38 | Legorol | and why the repair tool would find non-corrupted mpqs as corrupted |
| 05:13.56 | Legorol | it's a very annoying problem :) |
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| 05:40.41 | TrixIsOwned | waiting for auctions to send me the gold is hella annoying |
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| 05:47.26 | Shirik | Anyone here use visual studio or some similar debugger |
| 05:47.28 | Shirik | ? |
| 05:49.45 | art3mis | would anyonel like an invite to the private beta of www.grandcentral.com? |
| 05:50.26 | buu | Does it suck? |
| 05:50.35 | art3mis | it's decent enough for free |
| 05:50.58 | art3mis | it's more or less fke number forwarding with hunting and voicemail |
| 05:51.04 | art3mis | check out the page and features |
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| 05:59.56 | `-FISKER_Q | :( |
| 05:59.59 | `-FISKER_Q | stupid google disconnecting me |
| 06:01.27 | `-FISKER_Q | if only google didn't have such a good search engine :( |
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| 06:37.41 | art3mis | http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?name=MP4_2801K4 <-- 100 bucks for a 4g touchscreen video player/mp3 machine isnt bad |
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| 06:45.10 | Kazie | Anyone who might lead me to an addon that works like KillingSpree, just on single kills? |
| 06:46.15 | Sixen_ | ~Summon KD3 |
| 06:46.16 | purl | apt takes out 20 clean, identical-looking phones, some extra hands, and pretends to be a telemarketer for a large corporation, so he gets delivered a phonelist containing KD3's coordinates |
| 06:46.20 | Sixen_ | uh |
| 06:46.30 | Sixen_ | Why am I Sixne and Sixen_ |
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| 07:03.51 | Recluse | GetItemInfo(itemID) disconnects you if the id is from an unsafe link, right? |
| 07:04.47 | art3mis | did itunes ever add the ability to export to mp3 wuithout burning a disc? |
| 07:06.21 | Shirik | Recluse: No |
| 07:06.26 | Shirik | GetItemInfo will return nil in such a case |
| 07:06.36 | Shirik | specifically it will return nil whenever the item is not in your cache |
| 07:06.40 | Recluse | ah, well that's good |
| 07:06.45 | Shirik | thus, it returning nil does not guarantee that it is an unsafe link |
| 07:06.49 | Shirik | it merely guarantees it is not in your cache |
| 07:06.57 | Recluse | just that your client thinks it is unsafe |
| 07:07.10 | Shirik | sure |
| 07:07.41 | Recluse | just wanted to ensure that it wouldn't disconnect anyone by using that function call |
| 07:07.49 | Recluse | thanks |
| 07:08.50 | Shirik | ROFL |
| 07:08.57 | Shirik | Everyone's client just crashed |
| 07:08.59 | Shirik | everyone |
| 07:09.03 | Sixen | o_o |
| 07:09.05 | Shirik | well, everyone in my guild |
| 07:09.20 | Shirik | bad server message? heh |
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| 07:09.46 | Corrodias | interesting |
| 07:10.10 | Recluse | lol |
| 07:10.11 | Shirik | lol that was awesome |
| 07:10.19 | Shirik | "And I just crashed!" I exclaim on vent |
| 07:10.24 | Shirik | "Yeah me too" "And me" "Yeah me also" |
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| 07:27.11 | art3mis | hrm so i ordered one of those 4gb video players |
| 07:27.26 | art3mis | they look kind of enat and all reviews say that the music and video are friggin awesome on it |
| 07:27.32 | Fisker- | NO |
| 07:29.42 | art3mis | fisker i noticed that there are lots of flame spouts and other random fires in hellfire penninsula, you should go there and die in one. |
| 07:31.15 | Fisker- | :( |
| 07:31.23 | Fisker- | that wasn't nice! |
| 07:32.02 | cncfanatics | art3mis, die in a fire is my phrase :( |
| 07:32.45 | Thunder_Child | DIAF is hardly unique anymore |
| 07:33.02 | Thunder_Child | art3mis, any particular one? |
| 07:39.00 | Fisker- | Thunder_Child he's repenting over his rude behaviour |
| 07:39.01 | Fisker- | :P |
| 07:39.18 | Thunder_Child | it's art3mis, i doubt it |
| 07:39.23 | Thunder_Child | any more than i would |
| 07:40.03 | Thunder_Child | ~lart |Jelly|TEMPT |
| 07:40.03 | purl | whips out a shotgun, trudges over to |Jelly|TEMPT, and goes postal |
| 07:40.09 | |Jelly|TEMPT | You win. |
| 07:40.31 | Thunder_Child | didnt know it was a contest |
| 07:41.02 | |Jelly|TEMPT | Well of course. |
| 07:41.48 | Thunder_Child | i must have missed that memo |
| 07:42.08 | |Jelly|TEMPT | Probably. |
| 07:42.53 | |FF|Im2good4u | is there a macro command to jump up ? |
| 07:43.15 | Thunder_Child | all movement is hardware only |
| 07:44.15 | |FF|Im2good4u | ok :P i just wanted to add some more specail effects to my melee attacks :P |
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| 07:49.30 | art3mis | nah actually im mucking around with ravagers right now |
| 07:49.56 | art3mis | debating if its monetarily better to work on knothide leather for cash or go kill things with money |
| 07:50.20 | Thunder_Child | i think i have 100+ heavy knothide sitting in my bank |
| 07:50.49 | Thunder_Child | just..sitting... |
| 07:54.51 | |FF|Im2good4u | are u sure it isnt lying |
| 07:59.35 | Thunder_Child | could be |
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| 08:10.47 | qw | Is the Curse Client the best addon manager available? |
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| 08:15.48 | Fin | no |
| 08:15.57 | cncfanatics | curse client ? :o |
| 08:16.20 | qw | Yeah, it's something curse.com offers that's supposed to track my addons and collect game information |
| 08:16.54 | qw | I've just been persuaded to install WoW again after almost a year absence so I have no idea how the addon community is today.. but when I left addon-managers were beginning to pop up |
| 08:17.08 | cncfanatics | I don't use curse so I dunno |
| 08:17.19 | cncfanatics | I made my own lil updater shell script, way handyer imo |
| 08:17.35 | ag` | try wowaceupdater |
| 08:19.36 | art3mis | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7517-HelloKittyIslandAdventure.html you need this AND the wowaceupdater ;P |
| 08:19.46 | art3mis | then you'll be happy and enjoy wow ;) |
| 08:19.56 | |Jelly|TEMPT | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:20.43 | Fisker- | i agree with |Jelly|TEMPT |
| 08:20.45 | bleeter | shell scrips ftw! |
| 08:20.51 | bleeter | scripts, too |
| 08:21.26 | qw | :-) I think I'll go with perl unitframes |
| 08:21.39 | bleeter | 'cept... when certain SVN repositories don't have a standard filename convention ... having to catch all the expections is a right pita |
| 08:22.12 | qw | so do you guys have real editors with refactoring and code completion yet? |
| 08:22.29 | cncfanatics | any lua editor :p I know the wow api by heart anyway |
| 08:22.33 | bleeter | 'hey the game client is case insensitive, so wtf we worry about cae sensitivity on the SVN server' :/ |
| 08:22.38 | bleeter | instant lose |
| 08:22.50 | cncfanatics | bleeter, s/game client/windows/ |
| 08:22.55 | cncfanatics | and not everyone is on windows :) |
| 08:22.57 | cncfanatics | who said that ? |
| 08:23.34 | bleeter | cncfanatics: macs by default are insensitive.. or can be made so... either way, a certain 'popular' svn repository is total fail with their libraries |
| 08:24.05 | cncfanatics | hmmmm, wowace is sensitive as far as I know, what one u mean ? |
| 08:24.07 | bleeter | though I could easily work around it, wasn't the point |
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| 08:24.33 | bleeter | write a simple for loop, go through the top level of their svn, and count up those with Libs and those with libs |
| 08:25.00 | cncfanatics | its libs for my addon :p |
| 08:25.01 | bleeter | and some have externals set at the top level of their mods, others inside the mod/lib dir |
| 08:25.13 | bleeter | all totally fuxor |
| 08:25.14 | cncfanatics | depends on the author I guess |
| 08:25.23 | qw | Is there any replacement for Discord Action Bars yet? |
| 08:25.26 | cncfanatics | I personaly think top level externals is better, but thats me |
| 08:25.32 | cncfanatics | qw, flexbar ? |
| 08:25.38 | cncfanatics | DAB has been dead for a while |
| 08:25.46 | bleeter | yes, as high up as possible so things don't have to traverse to find them |
| 08:26.13 | qw | cncfanatics: oh, I tried flexbar but it didn't have what I needed back whenever |
| 08:26.28 | cncfanatics | well ur gonna be a sad panda then :p |
| 08:26.41 | cncfanatics | blizzard limited the ui in combat and there's only very few u can do |
| 08:27.01 | qw | yeah I remember something like that.. I just wanted to change the keybindings dynamically |
| 08:27.16 | cncfanatics | hmmm, why would u want to do that ? |
| 08:27.48 | cncfanatics | its possible and I could include it in FB, but I don't see the point |
| 08:29.04 | qw | cncfanatics: I'll find the document I wrote up some time ago that explained what I was looking for |
| 08:29.14 | qw | cncfanatics: It's kind of longwinded :P |
| 08:29.19 | cncfanatics | heh |
| 08:29.24 | cncfanatics | well, still tons of stuff I got to code into flexbar :p |
| 08:29.45 | qw | When I have converted you to my beliefs, you'll never regret :-) |
| 08:32.01 | cncfanatics | we'll see |
| 08:32.04 | cncfanatics | I'm kinda playing for a change |
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| 08:37.47 | qw | I couldn't find it. Basically I had three rows of buttons with five columns. SHIFT+1 would select row #1, SHIFT+2 would select row #2. When I have selected row #2 keys 1 - 5 selects slot 1 - 5. When I have selected row #1 keys 1 - 5 still selects slot 1 - 5. This works as it is today I believe. The catch comes that ALT+1 should change all the rows to a new set of rows, but SHIFT+1 should still select row #1 |
| 08:38.14 | cncfanatics | that is, impossible to do as far as I know |
| 08:38.28 | cncfanatics | actualy hmmm, its possible, but very very very hard and anoying even with custom code |
| 08:38.31 | cncfanatics | u'd need 5 state headers |
| 08:39.00 | cncfanatics | purl got a brother ? furl ? |
| 08:39.08 | Furl | >.> |
| 08:39.18 | Furl | Live ame is furlenssao... But I killed purl |
| 08:39.23 | Furl | ~lart cnc |
| 08:39.23 | purl | throws cnc's poor little doggy off a cliff |
| 08:40.04 | qw | cncfanatics: the thing with this setup was that I was able to reference 375 buttons with seven buttons |
| 08:40.53 | Furl | Wouldn't that take like hours of repetitive writing to code in? |
| 08:41.20 | Furl | Like that. |
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| 08:42.42 | qw | It was madly fast, but I guess I'll have to adapt a new inferior system |
| 08:43.23 | cncfanatics | flexbar is the most dynamic mod around I think |
| 08:43.34 | cncfanatics | but it dsnt allow keybindings remaps yet either, I shld include that rly |
| 08:45.16 | Furl | bongos + flexbar = uber? |
| 08:45.37 | Furl | In a sense, that is |
| 08:45.48 | cncfanatics | hmmm, does bongos do anything fb dsnt ? never used it |
| 08:46.00 | Furl | Really intuitive bindings systm |
| 08:46.26 | Furl | Never used flexbar really though |
| 08:46.31 | Furl | >.> |
| 08:47.03 | cncfanatics | http://wowace.com/wiki/FlexBar2_slash_command_reference |
| 08:47.15 | cncfanatics | gives a kinda good guide of all its features, as it lists all slashcommands and their usage |
| 08:53.50 | qw | hm where is scrolling combat text addon? |
| 08:53.56 | Fisker- | around me do not relax ;( |
| 08:55.08 | cncfanatics | qw, try parrot |
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| 09:15.38 | art3mis | fb is kinna cool except its annoying "feature" of using rock ;P |
| 09:15.47 | art3mis | which seems to break ghud |
| 09:16.38 | art3mis | and a couple of other addons |
| 09:18.47 | cncfanatics | ehm, it using rock shldnt break anything tbh |
| 09:18.58 | cncfanatics | no addon shld break cuz of another addon it doesnt use ? |
| 09:19.26 | cncfanatics | ur logic is flawed art3mis :p |
| 09:20.35 | art3mis | heh actually the rock config wrecks a few ace addon configs |
| 09:20.48 | art3mis | and im not sure wtf is up with ghud |
| 09:21.04 | art3mis | if i tick hide blizz stuff it hides it but then when i target poof it's back again |
| 09:22.05 | cncfanatics | disable that feature and use fb's hide blizz ? |
| 09:22.08 | cncfanatics | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:22.21 | art3mis | that hides all blizz frames? |
| 09:23.58 | cncfanatics | does MainMenuBar:Hide(); |
| 09:24.17 | art3mis | oh im talking about the blizz unit frames |
| 09:24.33 | cncfanatics | ah |
| 09:24.36 | cncfanatics | nope |
| 09:24.43 | cncfanatics | that bug has nothing to do with rock though I think |
| 09:24.47 | art3mis | does setting that though make it remember? |
| 09:24.58 | cncfanatics | its saved through sessions yea |
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| 09:26.20 | cncfanatics | either way art3mis, why not report the rockconfig bug ? |
| 09:26.33 | cncfanatics | and btw, FB doesnt use rockconfig, so if its ur only rock mod u shldnt even have it |
| 09:27.48 | art3mis | nope it wasnt |
| 09:27.55 | art3mis | i accidently downloaded something else |
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| 09:28.01 | art3mis | oh wait no it was |
| 09:28.22 | art3mis | i think rock got bitchy about not having it when i installed the lib |
| 09:28.42 | cncfanatics | well, if FB is ur only rock mod now u can safely remove it |
| 09:28.42 | art3mis | cncfanatics: cuz its more fun to bitch about the errors ;P |
| 09:28.59 | art3mis | speaking of errors and funniness |
| 09:29.07 | cncfanatics | if(UnitName("player") == "art3mis") then while true do end end |
| 09:29.10 | art3mis | go get the autobar alpha |
| 09:29.15 | cncfanatics | huh ? why ? |
| 09:29.26 | art3mis | its great! |
| 09:29.29 | art3mis | it makes two bars |
| 09:29.34 | art3mis | 1 imaginary and one real |
| 09:29.55 | art3mis | the imaginary is a mimic that sits on your screen(if you move it during combat) forever! |
| 09:30.17 | cncfanatics | wtf ? |
| 09:30.22 | art3mis | i dunno |
| 09:30.34 | art3mis | the config is totally screwed up |
| 09:30.42 | cncfanatics | shld talk to toadkiller ? :p |
| 09:30.43 | art3mis | it has like no real settings |
| 09:30.47 | art3mis | its the alpha |
| 09:30.50 | cncfanatics | he's recoding it I think ? |
| 09:31.03 | art3mis | im saying have a look at it it's behavior is kind of chuckle worthy |
| 09:31.26 | cncfanatics | I might :p |
| 09:31.36 | cncfanatics | I wonder if I could get toadkiller to use flexbar for autobar though :o |
| 09:31.43 | cncfanatics | that'd be funk |
| 09:31.45 | cncfanatics | funky* |
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| 09:32.31 | art3mis | a set of autoconfigured? |
| 09:32.35 | art3mis | that would be great |
| 09:33.28 | cncfanatics | well, third party addons can create flexbar buttons and make it so that flexbar doesnt save their settings |
| 09:33.32 | cncfanatics | so they're managed by said addon kinda |
| 09:34.24 | art3mis | neat |
| 09:35.00 | cncfanatics | if people end up using it, yea it will |
| 09:36.46 | cncfanatics | btw art3mis, ever compared the mem usage of fb & bt ? :p Ellipsis got me some funny numbers there :p |
| 09:38.32 | art3mis | nope cant say i have |
| 09:38.56 | art3mis | of course comparatively im not using near the number of bars taht i did in bt |
| 09:39.11 | art3mis | plus bt did do the auto stance/menu/xp etc |
| 09:39.14 | cncfanatics | well, Ellipsis' BT that was just showing a pet bar was using 4 times the mem of fb that was doing all the rest |
| 09:39.19 | bleeter | Kaydeethree: I gotta say, that presto thing seriously rocks, even if it did get a little confused |
| 09:39.38 | cncfanatics | and I should rly make a module that creates a stance bar |
| 09:39.38 | art3mis | speaking of which |
| 09:39.38 | bleeter | Kaydeethree: yum update was gunna throw 1G @ me, presto cut that to a little over 300M |
| 09:39.42 | art3mis | yeah |
| 09:39.46 | art3mis | and the minimenu |
| 09:40.05 | art3mis | i never realized just how much i used it til i had to elarn the shortcut keys |
| 09:40.11 | art3mis | learn |
| 09:40.17 | art3mis | oh and the pet bar, bt does that too |
| 09:40.39 | bleeter | Kaydeethree: playing with it a little, it got confused at some stage and thought it'd throw 800M at me, but a clean all got it back to the 300M state, so it'd seem cleaning your yum cache is a near requirement (presto will be available in F8, but off by default, enabled by default in F9) |
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| 09:42.02 | cncfanatics | yea, need modules for those 3 |
| 09:42.21 | art3mis | other than that and rock i do like it |
| 09:42.27 | art3mis | it's taken some getting used to |
| 09:42.32 | art3mis | but it's all good |
| 09:42.55 | cncfanatics | I love the automagical remaps |
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| 09:43.32 | art3mis | the other thing that might be beneficial(to me anyway) is to remove/replace the blizz numbers with the fb numbers |
| 09:43.40 | art3mis | like a toggle or something |
| 09:43.52 | art3mis | since i konow that most are using them as "extras" |
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| 09:46.43 | cncfanatics | blziz numbers with fb numbers ? |
| 09:46.46 | cncfanatics | u mean the text subs ? |
| 09:47.28 | art3mis | yeah remember i was asking about the 1 thru = keys |
| 09:47.37 | art3mis | and how they didnt relate to the fb button numbers? |
| 09:48.17 | art3mis | a toggle of sorts to "remap" the first 12 as the 1-= keys |
| 09:49.10 | cncfanatics | doesn't really belong into the core addon imo |
| 09:49.37 | cladhaire | boo, the defias traitor just despawned on me |
| 09:54.09 | cncfanatics | no DM for yooo ! |
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| 09:55.39 | Guillotine | anybody know of a free alternative to FRAPS? |
| 09:55.50 | cladhaire | taksi |
| 09:55.53 | cladhaire | taksi.sourceforge.net |
| 09:56.44 | Guillotine | <3 ty |
| 09:56.51 | cladhaire | np |
| 10:01.39 | cncfanatics | does that work on linux ? |
| 10:02.25 | cncfanatics | they shld make that taksi work with opengl :( |
| 10:07.45 | Kaso | howcome audio isnt captured |
| 10:07.57 | Kaso | that seems a rather frustrating abitarty limitation |
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| 10:30.47 | Fin | arbitrary? really? |
| 10:32.28 | Kaso | Well im sure there is a reason |
| 10:32.43 | Kaso | but it also seems that i'd be a tonne easier to get audio working than video |
| 10:32.53 | Kaso | and they've seemed to have done video very well |
| 10:34.02 | Fin | they are completely seperate areas though |
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| 10:53.15 | qw | Is there a new version of equip compare around? |
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| 11:17.34 | sag_ich_nicht | mhm |
| 11:17.56 | sag_ich_nicht | could it be possible that wow's item cache is limited to 65535 entries? :X |
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| 11:18.42 | cladhaire | yes, anything is possible :P |
| 11:19.27 | sag_ich_nicht | because i read a few bug reports for Saeris lootlink that seem to indicate that :X |
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| 11:24.27 | Fisker- | how can you have more than 36000 entries? |
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| 11:28.22 | the-golem | yay \o/ |
| 11:28.35 | sag_ich_nicht | Fisker-: "of the" |
| 11:28.40 | sag_ich_nicht | and similiar |
| 11:28.46 | sag_ich_nicht | btw. |
| 11:28.52 | sag_ich_nicht | if not LLID then LLID=25 end LLQ=0 while (LLQ<200 and LLID<36000) do if not GetItemInfo(LLID) then GameTooltip:SetHyperlink("item:"..LLID) LLQ=LLQ+1 end LLID=LLID+1 end DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage("Scanned up to itemID: "..LLID) |
| 11:29.10 | sag_ich_nicht | i need to slap that into a while loop that pauses evey 5 seconds :X |
| 11:29.31 | art3mis | man im really gonna have to spend some time getting my mining up from 210 |
| 11:31.37 | art3mis | and go to bed appearantly |
| 11:35.44 | the-golem | hi dolby-wowi :-) |
| 11:35.56 | Fisker- | oh sag_ich_nicht |
| 11:35.59 | Fisker- | OH U THEN |
| 11:38.22 | sag_ich_nicht | what |
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| 11:55.51 | sixen-debug | zZz |
| 11:55.53 | sixen-debug | sixen-debug is using 'The Chat Gem' by Sixen. |
| 11:55.56 | sixen-debug | =) |
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| 12:10.56 | lolinternet | http://pastey.net/74937-3pl8 that wasn't such a good idea. |
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| 12:26.30 | bleeter | be waiting a while eh? |
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| 13:06.24 | BrianH | is there a Movie handler now for OSX users? |
| 13:07.04 | BrianH | the Mac client has it's own video recording capabilities, wasn't sure if they setup handlers for it or not |
| 13:07.53 | zenzelezz | "handler"? |
| 13:08.57 | BrianH | er, sorry, I meant function |
| 13:09.27 | BrianH | i.e, StartRecording(); StopRecording(); |
| 13:11.57 | BrianH | hmm, looks like I can bind it to keys |
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| 13:43.25 | alestane | AnduinLothar: Any plans to update Archaeologist? I like the mod but it taints the stock raid frames. |
| 13:47.16 | Wobin | Well. |
| 13:47.22 | Wobin | My first almost full kara run |
| 13:47.28 | Wobin | Just stopped at Netherspite |
| 13:47.47 | zenzelezz | grats |
| 13:47.49 | mikma | well did kara suck? |
| 13:47.50 | Wobin | but I got 3 epics out of it =) |
| 13:47.55 | mikma | hah! |
| 13:47.57 | Wobin | Kara sucks with pugs |
| 13:48.02 | Wobin | but with the guild run, it's good |
| 13:48.08 | mikma | 3 epix is quite alot |
| 13:48.32 | Wobin | Worgen necklace, Garona's Signet and Rapscallion boots |
| 13:48.46 | Wobin | Aye, everyone else was mostly geared up, and I was the only rogue =) |
| 13:48.58 | Wobin | (and horribly geared as the damage meters showed =P) |
| 13:49.02 | zenzelezz | last week in SSC I got both the Mallet and the Girdle o_O |
| 13:49.09 | Wobin | I only just outdamaged the spriest =P |
| 13:50.03 | mikma | my story is nice: I was in SSC. didn't get anything (we killed the fishingboss). the next day the guild decided to stop raiding completely. post in forums said "if you want to raid this is not the guild for you". i was in the guild for 5 days :/ |
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| 14:03.22 | Wobin | mikma: ergh =( |
| 14:04.31 | Fisker- | awww mikma |
| 14:04.42 | Fisker- | oops |
| 14:06.48 | Fisker- | sexual harassment! |
| 14:10.19 | zenzelezz | the best kind |
| 14:12.21 | the-golem | ... |
| 14:12.33 | the-golem | your guild went to SSC and doesnt wanna raid? |
| 14:13.37 | the-golem | i got 3 drops my first day in kara ^^ |
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| 14:21.02 | Polarina | I have an item (Damaged weapon or armour) in my mailbox but how can I retrieve the repair cost of that item? GameTooltip:SetInboxItem(slot) doesn't seem to be returning anything.. Anyone? |
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| 14:26.32 | Codayus | mikma: That's....pretty weird. oO |
| 14:28.00 | mikma | well yeah, there weren't enough persons to raid regularly so they decided to stop it completely. |
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| 14:28.19 | Polarina | Hello Cide. |
| 14:28.33 | Cide | hi |
| 14:29.25 | Lunessa | ... not enough kawai. |
| 14:29.34 | Lunessa | ZOMG Cide! Hai 2 U~! |
| 14:29.53 | Codayus | mikma: Oh well, I guess that's fair enough. I know my guild is struggling to keep ahead of normal attrition. >< |
| 14:29.54 | Cide | omg hi! |
| 14:31.02 | Lunessa | better. My work here is done. |
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| 14:43.31 | Cidan | My friend from Florida just got a new PC |
| 14:43.41 | Cidan | He's had the same old PC for like, 5 years, if not longer. |
| 14:43.48 | Cidan | So now he has a new 8800, etc, etc. |
| 14:44.02 | Cidan | Man, he stayed up 'til 3 AM last night just playing games he hasn't been able to. |
| 14:44.12 | Cidan | (Which if you knew him, this man goes to bed at 10-11) |
| 14:44.25 | Kaydeethree | ah, the power of games |
| 14:44.27 | Wobin | I did the same with my 8800 |
| 14:44.32 | Cidan | He was like, "What the FUCK? World of Warcraft has LIGHTING EFFECTS?!?!?!" |
| 14:44.37 | Wobin | I spent hours going "OMG I CAN SEE GRASS!" |
| 14:44.37 | Cidan | lol |
| 14:45.08 | Wobin | It was all "SO PRETTY! SO GODDAMN PRETTY!" |
| 14:45.20 | Cidan | I'm in need of an upgrade my self |
| 14:45.22 | Astika | put gaming in a whole new "light kekeke |
| 14:45.26 | Astika | *puts |
| 14:45.30 | Cidan | I have an 8800, but I need a better CPU |
| 14:45.34 | Cidan | only running a 3200+ |
| 14:45.58 | Astika | quadro nvs 140m here :( |
| 14:46.55 | Lunessa | I need to get off my duff and upgrade a machine too. |
| 14:47.59 | Cidan | I've picked out my new mobo, CPU and RAM, it's like 384 dollars. |
| 14:48.02 | Cidan | Not bad, IMO. |
| 14:48.11 | Cidan | from a 3200 to a 6000+ dual core |
| 14:48.57 | Cidan | I'll likely wait 'til Christmas, prices will drop then. |
| 14:50.13 | Cide | yeah, but then there'll be new stuff that you need to buy instead |
| 14:50.18 | Cide | more expensive than the old stuff! |
| 14:50.39 | Cidan | Eh |
| 14:50.45 | Cidan | I don't do that. |
| 14:50.59 | Cidan | Rather, I really only do that with video cards |
| 14:51.06 | Cide | ah, I guess I'm just weak-minded :) |
| 14:59.44 | Polarina | This is so hard.. Adding tons of new features without increasing memory usage... |
| 15:00.12 | Cidan | Yeeepp... |
| 15:00.15 | Cide | why are you even considering memory usage? |
| 15:00.16 | Cidan | What new features? |
| 15:00.22 | Cidan | Because she's like I am |
| 15:00.26 | Polarina | For Valuation. |
| 15:00.28 | Cidan | A memory usage nut. |
| 15:00.28 | Cide | I want to stab whoever came up with this whole "memory usage is bad" |
| 15:00.38 | Cidan | I want to stab people who say it's fine. |
| 15:00.40 | Astika | i'm trying to get rid of features! :p |
| 15:00.41 | Cidan | Works well, hmm? |
| 15:00.54 | Cide | Cidan: maybe if you tell me why it's bad I'll agree with you |
| 15:01.00 | Cide | or I'll stab you |
| 15:01.13 | Polarina | Cide: Our physical memory is finite. |
| 15:01.18 | Cidan | Quite |
| 15:01.27 | Cidan | You should always work to conserve it. |
| 15:01.32 | Cide | so is the number of oxygen molecules in the atmosphere - hey, let's not make children |
| 15:01.44 | Cidan | gb2CT |
| 15:01.48 | Cidan | Moving on |
| 15:01.51 | Cide | the fact that it's finite is irrelevant |
| 15:01.55 | Cidan | Oh man |
| 15:02.12 | Polarina | Cide: Lets make WoW use 3 GiB of memory! |
| 15:02.13 | Cide | it's a question of how *much* you have, not the fact that it's not infinite |
| 15:02.14 | Polarina | Happy? |
| 15:02.16 | Cidan | Right about now, Computer Scientists around the world are getting shivers up their spines. |
| 15:02.27 | Cide | Polarina: see my previous statement |
| 15:02.54 | Cide | increasing memory usage is not a big deal *at all* in 99% of the cases |
| 15:03.09 | Cide | the 1% left would be if you're adding something like 20mb of memory for no reason |
| 15:03.22 | Polarina | Not saying to make it consume as little as possible. Just try not to waste it, like memory leaks, etc. |
| 15:03.24 | Cide | 100kb extra of memory? won't affect anybody, ever |
| 15:03.37 | Cide | memory leaks, eh? |
| 15:03.40 | Cide | won't happen |
| 15:03.51 | Polarina | Cide: Go back to the times where 4 kB meory was considered luxury! |
| 15:03.56 | Polarina | Cide: Then do some QQ. |
| 15:03.57 | Cide | that's the past, this is the current |
| 15:04.07 | Cidan | It's fine Polarina, he'll get it when he gets older. |
| 15:04.14 | Polarina | Cidan: =) |
| 15:04.14 | Cidan | It's something that comes with time and education. |
| 15:04.14 | Cide | Cidan: it's funny |
| 15:04.30 | Cide | how you somehow think that I'm younger, or dumber, or uneducated, because I disagree with you |
| 15:04.32 | Cidan | Mostly education -- it has nothing to do with Age |
| 15:05.01 | Cide | nice suppression techniques you have going there, buddy |
| 15:05.11 | Cidan | Because you clearly are talking out of your ass, and any CS major who isn't just a code monkey would know this. |
| 15:05.23 | Cidan | But whatever, moving on eh? We disagree, such is life. |
| 15:05.35 | Cide | we disagree, and such is life, sure |
| 15:06.06 | Cide | but for some reason you had to try and make assumptions about my age, intelligence, education just because we do disagree |
| 15:06.14 | Cide | because for whatever reason, YOU surely know better. |
| 15:06.30 | Cide | cut the bullshit and give me some real arguments except for "I know better, therefore you're wrong" |
| 15:07.58 | Cide | memory matters, indeed, but it's doesn't when we're talking 100kb in today's situation |
| 15:08.03 | Cide | 20 years ago? who the fuck cares |
| 15:12.45 | the-golem | lol |
| 15:12.46 | the-golem | wow |
| 15:14.42 | the-golem | too bad i missed that |
| 15:14.54 | Cidan | Fun for the entire family, IMO. |
| 15:16.24 | the-golem | sooo, out of honest to god curiosity |
| 15:16.54 | the-golem | how important *is* memory conservation, or whatever you call it |
| 15:17.07 | Fin | I used to know this... but I forgot |
| 15:17.12 | Cide | memory conservation is decently important, depends on how much ram you have |
| 15:17.17 | the-golem | lol fin |
| 15:17.30 | Fin | it's ridiculous how much the higher end graphics cards have these days |
| 15:17.41 | Fin | 768 MB on the one I've got |
| 15:17.43 | Fin | nuts! |
| 15:17.45 | Cide | if you're running 2gb+ of ram, it's largely irrelevant |
| 15:17.50 | the-golem | i think i've got 512 on mine |
| 15:18.09 | Fin | plus 2GB of system memory, I have no idea really what that 768 MB is used for |
| 15:18.12 | Fin | textures, I always thought... |
| 15:18.12 | Cide | that's almost too low for wow itself |
| 15:18.32 | the-golem | nono |
| 15:18.37 | the-golem | i mean 512 on my card |
| 15:18.43 | Cide | oh, ok |
| 15:18.47 | Fin | almost - so I could fit WoW on my graphics card's memory and have the rest of system memory free |
| 15:18.51 | Fin | nuts! |
| 15:19.03 | the-golem | only 1G ram though, i've been too cheap to upgrade |
| 15:19.05 | Cide | so you're not running short of memory at all |
| 15:19.24 | Cide | unless you're an avid multi-tasker, of course |
| 15:20.12 | Cide | "so you're not running short of memory at all"? |
| 15:20.13 | the-golem | you mean like, running wow, and a web browser, and a paintshop program all at teh same time? .. nah, i dont think thats avid |
| 15:20.34 | Cide | photoshop tends to use a lot of memory from my experiences |
| 15:20.56 | the-golem | yeah i dont use photoshop normally .. |
| 15:21.04 | Cide | not sure about other similar programs though |
| 15:21.06 | the-golem | its either paint.net or gimp for most things |
| 15:21.13 | Cide | but regardless |
| 15:21.32 | Fin | yes, "so you're not..." was the statement about which I was wondering about the direction |
| 15:21.54 | Cide | I'd say that applies to both of you, but it's a safer bet with 2gb than 1gb of ram obviously |
| 15:21.55 | Fin | bonzaaaaaaaai! |
| 15:21.55 | the-golem | so, by "largly irrelevant" you mean, not worth quibbling over a few hundred kb, eh? |
| 15:22.20 | Cide | the-golem: with 2gb of ram I doubt going from 20mb of ui memory to 150mb of ui memory makes any difference at all |
| 15:23.14 | the-golem | i thought as much |
| 15:23.23 | Polarina | Cide: It does, the OS uses the "un-used" memory to cache files read on the filesystem so it is faster reading the same file next time. |
| 15:23.25 | Cide | when it comes to what sparked the "discussion", considering whether or not it's worth the increased memory usage when implementing a few features for a 90kb addon, is completely unnecessary |
| 15:23.35 | Cide | Polarina: what? |
| 15:23.57 | Polarina | Cide: The OS (Both Windows and Linux) uses the un-used memory to cache files. |
| 15:24.19 | Cide | and you have measured the performance differences of a few hundred kb? |
| 15:24.48 | Fin | tell you what though, it takes a hell of a lot longer to load and reload the UI with the amount of addons that bring your memory usage up to >100MB |
| 15:24.57 | Polarina | Cide: But if you have 200 addons, each using additional "unnecessary" memory, how big would that be? |
| 15:24.58 | Cide | Fin: well, that's obvious |
| 15:25.29 | Fin | Cide: it's obvious as an idea, but it's still like, woah, that's a *lot* longer |
| 15:25.43 | the-golem | i know that was just a 'for instance' but wheover uses 200 addons needs to be shot in the foot |
| 15:25.49 | Cide | Polarina: why would memory be "unnecessary"? |
| 15:26.06 | Fin | I only realised how much longer when I started testing something else on another server's character that only had 3 mods enabled |
| 15:26.17 | Polarina | Cide: "unnecessary" = memory that could have been reduced. |
| 15:26.27 | Fin | I've got a brand new combine harvester |
| 15:26.32 | Cide | Polarina: memory can always be reduced, and should be reduced unless we're talking microoptimzation here |
| 15:26.58 | Cide | Polarina: the distinction is that caring about say 50kb of memory as a reason NOT to implement FEATURES |
| 15:26.59 | Polarina | Cide: Of course. |
| 15:27.17 | Cide | of course, implementing features is not always good (clutter, bloat, you name it), but that's a design decision |
| 15:27.36 | Polarina | Cide: We can all understand that. |
| 15:27.44 | Cide | no you can't |
| 15:27.51 | Cide | because you argued the opposite 15 minutes ago |
| 15:27.53 | the-golem | lol |
| 15:28.05 | Cide | or maybe I "converted" you? good |
| 15:28.16 | Polarina | Cide: I said it is *hard*, not that I MUST not increase memory usage. |
| 15:28.34 | Cide | Polarina: and that's where we disagree - it shouldn't be hard - it should be an obvious decision |
| 15:28.37 | Lunessa | Cide: I thought it was Polarina who are concerned in the first place, and Cidan who was opposed to your view. |
| 15:28.45 | the-golem | (imo) i believe they thought you were saying "memory conservation sux" as opposed to saying it is not essential in certain cases |
| 15:28.54 | Cide | Lunessa: possibly, but they appeared to have the same view |
| 15:29.42 | Lunessa | I'm just skimming. Obviously you missed my comments last night about "ZOMG why is my memory use screaming up so rapidly?" last night. :) |
| 15:29.56 | Cide | I did indeed :) |
| 15:30.02 | the-golem | i think its a good idea to keep it in mind, but not something you should fret over |
| 15:30.17 | Cide | memory conservation when it comes to designing how you use memory is good |
| 15:30.27 | the-golem | and by fret i mean " ZOMG i hafta save 10kb of usage! arggh!!11!1" |
| 15:30.29 | Cide | i.e. using a long string over 20,000 entries in a table - very good |
| 15:30.52 | Cide | but honestly, that saves you several mb |
| 15:30.56 | Lunessa | I was concerned about memory usage zooming to 3x or more startup value, and my large hit to performance at the 110+ MB range. |
| 15:31.02 | Cide | several kb? go for code readability |
| 15:31.48 | Cide | Lunessa: that sounds like a pretty big garbage factory, or something like loading auctioneer on-demand |
| 15:32.13 | the-golem | .. |
| 15:32.14 | Lunessa | Cide, something changed in someone's code, somewhere, and I haven't found it yet. |
| 15:32.20 | the-golem | i have come to hate auctioneer |
| 15:32.55 | the-golem | i hardly really use it |
| 15:32.58 | Lunessa | Actually, I'm using the new alpha, and been quite pleased with the results. It's pretty well behaved. |
| 15:33.11 | the-golem | theres a new version? |
| 15:33.34 | the-golem | having to sit there for 10 minutes while scanning AH = fail (for me) |
| 15:33.49 | Lunessa | One only a few days old. Very handy. Very nice. Some problems, but on the whole a very very useful mod. |
| 15:33.59 | Cide | that's not auctioneer's fault, though :) |
| 15:34.08 | Cide | and 2.3 will reduce that to a fraction of its current time |
| 15:34.16 | the-golem | Cide: i know |
| 15:34.32 | the-golem | but, you hafta update it to keep price suggestions, etc in mind |
| 15:34.43 | Lunessa | And MentalPower and crew took a new tack on the whole scanning issue that I like. |
| 15:35.11 | the-golem | i rarely sell things on AH anyway, its much faster to just search for 1 thing for a price range, then sell it a few G lower |
| 15:35.29 | the-golem | if your an AH monkey though .. *shrug* |
| 15:35.47 | the-golem | tack = take? |
| 15:36.01 | Lunessa | I tend to use it in spurts. Depends on how much I need in-game cash. :) |
| 15:36.17 | bleeter | the new version you don't have to search the complete AH to get pricing for whatever item |
| 15:36.32 | bleeter | just searching for the item adds the stats to the DB, complete scan is not compulsory |
| 15:36.36 | Lunessa | tack = as in trimming sails to move against the prevailing winds. |
| 15:38.23 | zenzelezz | a pirate I was meant to be; trim the sails, roam the sea |
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| 15:39.32 | bleeter | as well as not having that huge memory hog when loading, either |
| 15:39.50 | Lunessa | Like I said, it's pretty well behaved. |
| 15:41.23 | bleeter | yeah, the 'old' auctioner, to what cide was referring, which had that hit is now known as 'auctioneer classic', for those who don't wanna use the new one 'coz it's still a bit buggy ;) |
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| 15:48.26 | cncfanatics | hmmm, where can I find localized blizzard strings ? |
| 15:48.51 | Fin | do you have a different version of the client? |
| 15:48.54 | Fin | or you mean online? |
| 15:49.30 | cncfanatics | I have a bug that only occurs in non english clients |
| 15:49.40 | cncfanatics | I have an english client myself, so I can't really track it |
| 15:49.41 | Fin | http://wdn.wowinterface.com/ has the translations, I think |
| 15:49.48 | cncfanatics | Fin, what file ? -.- |
| 15:49.50 | zenzelezz | you know, I've had Auctioneer installed and enabled since I started playing in... October 2005 I think, but I really only used Informant and the "Remember price" feature of Auctioneer... never scanned or played the AH |
| 15:50.05 | cncfanatics | I just need to know the name of the variable that contains the traduction of Rank basicly |
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| 15:50.18 | Polarina | zenzelezz: Why don't you switch to more light-wighted addon? |
| 15:50.34 | Fin | oh, no, it wasn't there |
| 15:50.46 | zenzelezz | why should I? Informant only uses 3.4 MB, 1/3 of my total |
| 15:51.42 | Lunessa | And informant does more than just add prices to the tool tip |
| 15:52.08 | zenzelezz | yeah, class, stack size, etc |
| 15:52.16 | Polarina | :) |
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| 16:09.45 | alestane | Taint question for those in the know...if my code sets someFrame.action = nil, and signed code later sets thatFrame.action = actionSlot, will thatFrame.action be tainted? |
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| 16:11.39 | the-golem | lol oops |
| 16:11.59 | the-golem | shaking stuff outta my KB |
| 16:12.02 | the-golem | sorry about htat |
| 16:12.04 | the-golem | that* |
| 16:13.28 | Lunessa | alestane: If you do anything to a function outside of listen and respond, you taint it. |
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| 16:15.34 | alestane | Lunessa: True, but not sure that answers my question exactly. |
| 16:16.16 | alestane | I'm asking if the key will remain tainted despite being blanked out. |
| 16:16.35 | Lunessa | alestane: If you programatically set some value for a frame, and blizzard code does something to that frame later, yes, it's been tainted. |
| 16:16.51 | alestane | Even to nil? |
| 16:17.06 | Lunessa | You touch it, you taint it. |
| 16:17.24 | alestane | And does it taint the whole frame, or just the key that was touched? |
| 16:17.49 | Lunessa | That's why the secure frames and secure templates and secure hook functions were added. |
| 16:18.52 | alestane | The issue I'm having is trying to force the stock action buttons to refresh their appearances. I think they can survive certain taint problems but want to avoid them if possible. |
| 16:20.15 | alestane | But since they're all written with a lot of "this"-based code (and if I ever write to _G["this"] I'm pretty sure basically the whole UI will break), I don't have a lot of options. |
| 16:20.23 | Lunessa | Yeah, nothing like clicking an action button and then being told that they've tried to perform an action restricted to the default ui... |
| 16:21.03 | alestane | I THINK the action buttons are written in such a way as to not need security for their appearance-based functions. |
| 16:21.24 | Lunessa | Well, try/test? |
| 16:21.33 | Lunessa | I haven't monkeyed with action bars much. |
| 16:21.41 | alestane | I suppose...too many projects.... |
| 16:21.49 | alestane | (I've monkeyed with almost nothing but...) |
| 16:22.39 | alestane | My action button proposal to Slouken actually made the action button visual update code a function of "OnAttributeChanged", so it was very secure. |
| 16:22.49 | alestane | Do you maintain any add-ons, Lunessa? |
| 16:22.59 | Lunessa | Just junk for personal use. |
| 16:23.08 | alestane | Ah. So yes, but nothing public. |
| 16:23.28 | Lunessa | Releasing stuff into the wild requires me to maintain it. And be nice to people. |
| 16:23.41 | Lunessa | Neither is something I'm good at. |
| 16:23.58 | zenzelezz | it doesn't require you to |
| 16:24.22 | Astika | is there an event to signify a change in resolution? |
| 16:24.26 | Lunessa | Meh, I feel a sense of obligation. So I avoid the issue by mostly coding for myself. |
| 16:27.39 | Lunessa | Oh, and I'm lazy. I'm still doodling ideas for my keybinding addon... |
| 16:28.16 | zenzelezz | I've been working on my custom UI for six months now. So far it's a .toc and a blank .lua + .xml |
| 16:30.08 | shirik | Lunessa..... |
| 16:30.23 | Lunessa | Yes? |
| 16:30.25 | Shirik | I made a character last night and you're all like "oh I'm not gonna be here so I don't have to invite him" |
| 16:31.06 | Lunessa | ZOMG - I was all up on there until like 10:30 server bish. I needed to get up at 6am |
| 16:31.14 | Shirik | excuses |
| 16:31.21 | Lunessa | I'm online right now hookah. |
| 16:31.45 | zenzelezz | only freaks get more than five hours of sleep per day |
| 16:32.50 | Lunessa | I'm totally a freak. |
| 16:35.02 | Lunessa | Hrm... If I ditch autobar I'm going to need more buttons. |
| 16:36.01 | Shirik | bongos imo |
| 16:36.05 | Cidan | no |
| 16:36.11 | Cidan | anything Shirik says, run from it |
| 16:36.16 | Cidan | he's totally a noob. |
| 16:36.38 | Shirik | =( |
| 16:36.57 | Cidan | also |
| 16:37.00 | Cidan | why ditch autobar? |
| 16:37.07 | Shirik | cause it sucks |
| 16:37.11 | Cidan | Does it? |
| 16:37.12 | Cidan | I like it. |
| 16:37.13 | Shirik | actually I dunno, don't even know what it is |
| 16:37.17 | the-golem | <-- uses bongos |
| 16:37.25 | Cidan | Autobar has nothing to do with bongos |
| 16:37.32 | Cidan | it doesn't replace it. |
| 16:37.47 | Cidan | Autobar is just a bar that automaticly puts usable items into it as you get them/use them |
| 16:37.49 | the-golem | never said that, i just wanted to throw that out there |
| 16:38.02 | the-golem | :P |
| 16:38.03 | Cidan | automatically even, christ |
| 16:38.04 | Cidan | tired |
| 16:38.05 | Cidan | :P |
| 16:38.07 | Cidan | anyways |
| 16:38.13 | the-golem | theres Autorack |
| 16:38.15 | Cidan | and it puts them in groups |
| 16:38.16 | the-golem | lol |
| 16:38.36 | Cidan | all potions in one button and when you mouse over it, a list of all the potions you have shows up, etc. |
| 16:38.43 | Lunessa | I'm considering ditching it because I use to for, um, 3 things, and those might be better done for me by a macro. |
| 16:38.53 | Cidan | Ah, I use it for a lot |
| 16:38.59 | Cidan | food, bandages, potions, etc. |
| 16:39.08 | Shirik | I use serenity to do this |
| 16:39.11 | the-golem | i'd prolly use it for food, pots bandages |
| 16:39.12 | the-golem | but |
| 16:39.26 | the-golem | i just put them on my actionbar ^^ |
| 16:39.27 | Cidan | hearth stone too |
| 16:39.40 | Cidan | man, I was setting up my Warlock last night |
| 16:39.45 | Cidan | holy hell, I ran out of action bars |
| 16:39.47 | Cidan | :( |
| 16:39.49 | the-golem | lol |
| 16:39.51 | the-golem | really? |
| 16:39.54 | Cidan | They have too many f'in spells. |
| 16:40.02 | Cidan | I have 3 rows of 12 bars |
| 16:40.09 | alestane | We do get a lot...I've been able to get everything where I need it though. |
| 16:40.09 | the-golem | lol wow |
| 16:40.25 | Shirik | lol |
| 16:40.29 | Cidan | I had to use the second page of my bar for summoning spells |
| 16:40.29 | Shirik | Cidan's used to two spells |
| 16:40.30 | zenzelezz | how can Fear and Death Coil take three bars? |
| 16:40.34 | Shirik | flash of light, holy light |
| 16:40.36 | the-golem | bongos2 can do a shit load apparently |
| 16:40.37 | Shirik | that's it |
| 16:40.38 | alestane | Macros help...and Demonomicon freed up about seven buttons. |
| 16:40.38 | Cidan | pretty much |
| 16:40.45 | Cidan | that's all I do on my Paladin, :P |
| 16:40.58 | cncfanatics | Ciden, u ran OUT of 120 buttons ? :o |
| 16:41.00 | the-golem | oh actionbars |
| 16:41.05 | Cidan | 3x12 |
| 16:41.10 | Cidan | for my uI |
| 16:41.11 | cncfanatics | oh lol, thats nothing :p |
| 16:41.12 | Cidan | UI |
| 16:41.16 | Cidan | I know |
| 16:41.21 | Cidan | I can page them too, but still |
| 16:41.24 | cncfanatics | wld be fun if I found someone that needed more then 120 buttons |
| 16:41.32 | Cidan | hmm |
| 16:41.42 | cncfanatics | (only one mod can do that ^^ guess what one)Ã |
| 16:41.58 | Cidan | perhaps the Death Knights and THEIR EXTREEEEEMEEE GOTH ACTION WITH HUGE SWORDS LIKE CLOUD FROM FF7 FUCK YEAH XBOX360!!!! |
| 16:42.06 | the-golem | cncfanatics: save the the trouble and tell me :P |
| 16:42.17 | Cidan | Though who knows. |
| 16:42.22 | the-golem | lol |
| 16:42.31 | the-golem | why did you throw xbox 360 in there? |
| 16:42.44 | Cidan | I have no clue, it seems like the "hip" thing now-a-days. |
| 16:42.51 | the-golem | ah |
| 16:42.52 | cncfanatics | the-golem, by now you rly shld know i'm the flexbar dev :p its flexbar ;) |
| 16:42.53 | the-golem | well |
| 16:42.55 | the-golem | its not |
| 16:43.03 | zenzelezz | what's flexbar? |
| 16:43.13 | the-golem | *koff* ms sux |
| 16:43.15 | Lunessa | You left out "bitches" and "peace out" |
| 16:43.23 | Cidan | Oh right |
| 16:43.24 | the-golem | lol Lunessa |
| 16:43.25 | cncfanatics | an actionbutton addon zenzelezz |
| 16:43.30 | Cidan | oh and TEABAG LOLOLOL |
| 16:43.34 | Cidan | HALO3 ACTION |
| 16:43.36 | Cidan | etc. |
| 16:44.11 | dreamss | cidian sounds like u know more about halo than most xbox owners |
| 16:44.24 | Cidan | Eh, I played 1 and 2. |
| 16:44.30 | zenzelezz | Cidan, now serving nubcake with roflsauce |
| 16:45.21 | dreamss | i played the beta for a whole 1 game, it sucks just like i tought |
| 16:45.29 | the-golem | cncfanatics: yeah .. there was sposed to be a bit of sarcasm in there, but it got lost in the transition |
| 16:45.45 | cncfanatics | the-golem, sarcasm + irc = lose |
| 16:45.49 | the-golem | hehe |
| 16:45.58 | zenzelezz | sarcasm is the default mode on IRC |
| 16:46.03 | dreamss | dude zenz |
| 16:46.10 | dreamss | i was gonna say the same thing |
| 16:46.26 | dreamss | the sarcasm tags never get turned off on irc |
| 16:47.08 | the-golem | so i was toying with paint.net |
| 16:47.12 | the-golem | and i realized |
| 16:47.17 | Cidan | totally replaying half-life 2 |
| 16:47.27 | dreamss | u get the orange box? |
| 16:47.30 | the-golem | motherfucker doesnt have a shrink or grow option |
| 16:47.30 | Cidan | yep |
| 16:47.37 | Cidan | sure did. |
| 16:47.51 | Cidan | playing HL2 as we speak |
| 16:47.58 | dreamss | hows tf2? |
| 16:48.04 | Cidan | fun as hell |
| 16:48.24 | Cidan | It is NOT like TFC though |
| 16:48.27 | dreamss | rocket launcher in hl2 was pretty fun |
| 16:48.31 | Cidan | If you want that, play fortress forever |
| 16:50.08 | Lunessa | MS to everyone "buyz teh Halo 3 bitches! Peace out!" |
| 16:50.18 | dreamss | heh |
| 16:50.37 | dreamss | shadowrun was a better game than halo |
| 16:51.04 | zenzelezz | I was a Halo fan... until they decided it would be for X-box |
| 16:51.13 | Cidan | zenzelezz: same |
| 16:51.22 | Cidan | I liked it better when it was using OGL on the PC |
| 16:51.29 | Cidan | Most don't remember that though. |
| 16:51.33 | dreamss | the pc port was awefull |
| 16:51.36 | Lunessa | And I apparently can't live without FuBar |
| 16:51.41 | Cidan | no, not the PC port. |
| 16:51.47 | Cidan | BEFORE it was even on xobx |
| 16:51.50 | Cidan | xbox. |
| 16:51.54 | Cidan | Halo was a PC game. |
| 16:52.04 | Cidan | And it was MUCH different. |
| 16:52.22 | dreamss | the had to slow down turning on the xbox version |
| 16:52.53 | dreamss | port it for the controler (yuck) |
| 16:53.14 | Cidan | the Halo you know for xbox != the original game. |
| 16:53.19 | Cidan | It's not even close. |
| 16:53.36 | dreamss | bungie made it then MS bought them out? |
| 16:53.59 | Cidan | they were making it, then MS got a hold of them and pretty much had them remake the game. |
| 16:54.26 | dreamss | they warent happy but sure made a lot of money |
| 16:54.28 | dreamss | heh |
| 16:55.30 | dreamss | now bungie is making halo for ds or so i read |
| 16:55.32 | dreamss | lol |
| 16:56.04 | Cidan | well Bungie just split from Microsoft. |
| 16:56.08 | Cidan | Thank the lord. |
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| 16:57.12 | Lunessa | And before that, Bungie wrote games exclusively for the Macintosh. |
| 16:57.17 | zenzelezz | topic lacks funny :( |
| 16:57.18 | Cidan | Yeppers |
| 16:57.26 | dreamss | lol |
| 16:57.35 | Lunessa | Marathon was the shiz in the 90s. |
| 16:57.37 | dreamss | when did halo pc come out? |
| 16:57.58 | zenzelezz | too long after X-box Halo to make any impact |
| 16:58.45 | dreamss | the original one' |
| 16:58.54 | Cidan | the original one never came out. |
| 16:59.05 | Cidan | Like I said, they trashed the project. |
| 16:59.15 | dreamss | tought it got leaked or something |
| 16:59.17 | dreamss | heh |
| 16:59.52 | dreamss | storyline was pretty good, game itself was a bitchslap to any FPS gamer |
| 17:02.28 | Industrial | damnit I want moar tickets! |
| 17:02.33 | Industrial | I only have 175 >_< |
| 17:02.38 | Industrial | need 600 :( |
| 17:02.58 | zenzelezz | if I recall correctly, the Halo PC port was made by the same guys that made the Half-Life: Opposing Force thing |
| 17:05.30 | Cidan | Correct |
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| 17:10.37 | the-golem | whos got widescreen displays? |
| 17:10.46 | the-golem | wtb suggestions :-) |
| 17:10.59 | Cidan | I've been considering one |
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| 17:11.21 | Industrial | whens the brewfest over? |
| 17:11.45 | the-golem | when you drink all the brew? |
| 17:11.49 | the-golem | :P |
| 17:11.54 | Industrial | no im serious |
| 17:11.57 | Industrial | I want that mount |
| 17:12.05 | Lunessa | The 16th |
| 17:12.13 | Industrial | so 10 days |
| 17:12.17 | the-golem | yeah |
| 17:12.27 | Industrial | good, I can still get it then hopefully |
| 17:12.33 | the-golem | i was gonna say, i think oktoberfest is usually 2 weeks long |
| 17:12.39 | the-golem | so there |
| 17:12.41 | Industrial | need 425 tickets :P |
| 17:12.44 | the-golem | :-) |
| 17:13.59 | Industrial | lol <3 my server's chat |
| 17:14.06 | Industrial | WHERESCH THRALL |
| 17:14.12 | Industrial | 35,37 |
| 17:14.14 | Industrial | undercity |
| 17:14.16 | Industrial | urmoms place |
| 17:14.25 | Industrial | in general chat :P |
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| 17:15.01 | Wobin | You should direct them to MANKRIKS WIFE |
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| 17:19.39 | Cidan | man |
| 17:19.43 | Cidan | I love this game so much |
| 17:19.55 | Cidan | in particular when you teleport at the start into Breen's office |
| 17:21.12 | zenzelezz | I both loved and hated the boat-down-the-river part... was great fun, but something about it made me slightly disoriented or somesuch |
| 17:21.36 | Industrial | no spoilers! |
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| 17:32.01 | alestane | Once when we were running around Redridge, on Alliance, some people were trash-talking aout guilds like you wouldn't believe, and suddenly someone breaks in with, "Any seen Mankrik's wife?" |
| 17:32.10 | alestane | Anyone* |
| 17:32.50 | alestane | Cracked us up, but of course it went right over the heads of the people he was sniping at. |
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| 17:39.08 | foxlit | >>> for w in ("Seen Mankrik's wife?"):gmatch("%a+") do print(w); end |
| 17:40.33 | Kaso | why'd you do that? |
| 17:42.42 | foxlit | Wanted to see if that would work like I expected it to |
| 17:43.16 | Kaso | seen, mankrik, s, wife isnt it? |
| 17:44.11 | foxlit | Yeah, something like that |
| 17:44.39 | foxlit | Real pattern would be "(#%S+)" on a list of channel names |
| 17:50.07 | Cairenn | would someone mind doing me a favour and doing a /stats p for me please? it doesn't work on this client |
| 17:50.32 | zenzelezz | --- p :0 staff members |
| 17:50.36 | Cairenn | bleh |
| 17:50.41 | Cairenn | Funkeh`: nope :p |
| 17:50.51 | Cairenn | thanks zenzelezz |
| 17:54.16 | sysrage | what client? |
| 17:54.28 | foxlit | There's no native string split implementation in lua? |
| 17:55.03 | sysrage | oh. guess it's not a server command |
| 17:55.18 | Kaso | Nope fox |
| 17:55.27 | Kaso | the one is wow is blizz's work |
| 17:56.42 | Wobin | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:56.43 | Wobin | ? |
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| 18:18.30 | the-golem | bah |
| 18:33.45 | Shirik | Cairenn: You can use /literal stats p |
| 18:34.00 | Cairenn | nope |
| 18:34.01 | Shirik | or |
| 18:34.05 | Shirik | how about /quote STATS p |
| 18:34.33 | Cairenn | nope |
| 18:34.36 | Shirik | btw |
| 18:34.37 | Shirik | p nalioth (i=nalioth@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.nalioth) |
| 18:34.37 | Shirik | p 1 staff member |
| 18:34.43 | Cairenn | thank you! |
| 18:36.08 | Cairenn | who was asking me about group cloaks besides funkeh`? |
| 18:36.58 | zenzelezz | group cloaks? |
| 18:37.14 | Cairenn | Kirkburn: were you one of the ones asking? |
| 18:37.25 | Cairenn | or was it joshborke? |
| 18:37.36 | Cairenn | and ... hmmm ... art3mis? |
| 18:37.50 | Shirik | wtf is purple irc? |
| 18:38.07 | Kaydeethree | pidgin's irc client |
| 18:38.10 | Cairenn | pidgin |
| 18:38.12 | Cairenn | :) |
| 18:38.20 | Kirkburn | Nope :) |
| 18:38.33 | Shirik | why they don't just call it pidgin >< |
| 18:38.47 | Kaydeethree | to give you a headache |
| 18:39.56 | Cairenn | zenzelezz: MPower@WoWUIDev/Norganna/Administrator/MentalPower or tardmrr@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Dongle/Tem as 2 examples |
| 18:40.26 | zenzelezz | what's the difference between a group and a non-group cloak? |
| 18:40.42 | Tem | for the record, I'm using it wrong |
| 18:40.43 | zenzelezz | I mean can you select who can join yours? |
| 18:41.00 | Tem | MP did it right |
| 18:42.29 | Cairenn | you didn't do yours wrong Tem |
| 18:42.30 | Shirik | a group cloak is handled by an administrative group (which may be a single person) |
| 18:42.37 | Shirik | an individual group is unaffiliated with any group |
| 18:42.39 | Cairenn | <== |
| 18:42.41 | Shirik | s/group/cloak/ |
| 18:42.57 | Shirik | compare › address: n=Polarina15@unaffiliated/polarina |
| 18:43.01 | Shirik | to |
| 18:43.07 | Shirik | › address: i=skullsho15@conspiracy/developer/Shirik |
| 18:43.16 | Polarina | ? |
| 18:43.42 | zenzelezz | nevermind Polarina, he's just explaining |
| 18:43.49 | Polarina | Ok. |
| 18:44.10 | Cairenn | I'm the group cloak owner for WoWUIDev, which covers anyone that wants that cloak, I'm taking care of the Ace and Norganna's folks for them |
| 18:44.32 | zenzelezz | omg, Cairenn is Aced? |
| 18:44.37 | Shirik | sad isn't it? |
| 18:44.44 | zenzelezz | no wonder she's so efficient |
| 18:44.45 | Polarina | I know. |
| 18:44.51 | Shirik | and she never sleeps |
| 18:44.59 | Cairenn | so any mod author that wants can ask me and I can set them up with a cloak n=nick@WoWUIDev\affiliation of choice\again\nick |
| 18:44.59 | Polarina | And creates garbage... |
| 18:45.24 | zenzelezz | I see |
| 18:45.24 | Cairenn | Polarina: can I ask what it is that you have against me? |
| 18:45.24 | Shirik | except with forward slash instead of backslash |
| 18:45.31 | Cairenn | Shirik: :p |
| 18:45.33 | Polarina | Cairenn: Not you. Just Ace. |
| 18:45.43 | Polarina | Cairenn: Someone said you are Aced. :P |
| 18:45.56 | Cairenn | Polarina: except you seem to enjoy sniping at me, as well, and I'm wondering why |
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| 18:46.05 | Polarina | Cairenn: Sorry. |
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| 18:47.08 | Cairenn | Polarina: np, just was wondering what I'd done to get your panties in a twist |
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| 18:53.29 | zenzelezz | the best part about not being native to English is I can allow myself to mis-read expressions like "get your panties in a twist"... and come up with interesting alternative meanings |
| 18:53.55 | Cairenn | zenzelezz: lol |
| 18:55.06 | Cairenn | the actual "English" expression is "knickers in a knot", but North America changed it - "panties in a twist", "undies in a bunch", etc |
| 18:55.33 | zenzelezz | I've only heard the American one I think |
| 18:56.04 | zenzelezz | I was slightly sad to realize "charm my pants off" was just an Australian expression |
| 18:56.26 | Cairenn | no it isn't! |
| 18:56.31 | zenzelezz | so she told me |
| 18:56.36 | Cairenn | she's wrong |
| 18:57.30 | Polarina | Anyone wants to comment on my code? |
| 18:57.40 | zenzelezz | -- hi |
| 18:58.43 | zenzelezz | hm, I was expecting at least a ~lart for that |
| 19:00.19 | Cairenn | ~lart zenzelezz |
| 19:00.19 | purl | gets a hotmal account and SPAMs zenzelezz |
| 19:00.40 | zenzelezz | \o/ |
| 19:00.46 | Polarina | https://opensvn.csie.org/viewcvs.cgi/Valuation/trunk/?root=polarity |
| 19:00.47 | Cairenn | feel better now? :) |
| 19:01.17 | zenzelezz | aye! |
| 19:01.30 | Cairenn | glad to assist :) |
| 19:04.31 | AnduinLothar | what weekend is it? |
| 19:04.40 | Polarina | This weekend, of course. |
| 19:04.45 | zenzelezz | :-p |
| 19:04.52 | Cairenn | Thanksgiving! |
| 19:04.57 | Cairenn | mmmm, turkey! |
| 19:04.57 | AnduinLothar | bg |
| 19:05.20 | cncfanatics | it is ? :o |
| 19:05.26 | Cairenn | it is in Canada |
| 19:19.19 | Cairenn | can't wait till dinner on Monday - turkey & stuffing & honey-ginger glazed baby carrots & peas & red-cabbage coleslaw & potatoes & yams & corn & fresh rolls & pumpkin pie & carrot cake & sparkling apple cider! |
| 19:19.43 | Cairenn | = food coma! |
| 19:19.58 | zenzelezz | someone will not be very hungry come Tuesday |
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| 19:24.52 | Shirik|AFK | Cairenn: ping |
| 19:24.58 | Cairenn | Shirik|AFK: pong |
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| 19:34.25 | Shirik|AFK | Is it sad that I've memorized many of the wow forum codes? |
| 19:34.32 | Shirik|AFK | Like that UI/Macros is 11114? |
| 19:34.37 | Cairenn | heh |
| 19:34.55 | Polarina | Memorize the first 50 decimal places in PI like I did. |
| 19:35.09 | Shirik|AFK | 3.1415926535859 |
| 19:35.12 | Shirik|AFK | That's what I've got memorized :P |
| 19:35.16 | Polarina | More please. |
| 19:35.25 | zenzelezz | Shirik|AFK: why would that be sad? Most people memorize things they use or even just see often |
| 19:35.31 | Polarina | And the second last digit is incorrect. |
| 19:35.35 | Shirik|AFK | well |
| 19:35.35 | Shirik|AFK | it's 8 |
| 19:35.38 | Shirik|AFK | but it's rounded |
| 19:35.53 | Polarina | 3.14159265358*9*79 |
| 19:36.02 | Shirik|AFK | oops |
| 19:36.05 | Shirik|AFK | oh well |
| 19:36.20 | Shirik|AFK | * /msg: line too long (line 248, jpqosv.nbs) |
| 19:36.21 | Shirik|AFK | bah |
| 19:36.29 | zenzelezz | l2pi |
| 19:36.33 | Shirik|AFK | 3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375105820974944592307816406286 208998628034825342117067982148086513282306647093844609550582231725359408128481 117450284102701938521105559644622948954930381964428810975665933446128475648233 |
| 19:36.34 | Shirik|AFK | there you go |
| 19:36.38 | zenzelezz | ~pi |
| 19:36.39 | purl | i heard pi is 3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375105820974944592307816406286208998628034825342117067982148086513282306647093844609550582231725359408128481117450284102701938521105559644622948954930381964428810975665933446128475648233786783165271201909145648566923460348610454326648213393607260249141273724587006606315588174881520920962829254091 |
| 19:36.45 | zenzelezz | you lose SHirik |
| 19:36.47 | Shirik|AFK | =( |
| 19:37.48 | Polarina | ~e |
| 19:37.49 | purl | e is probably a little more than 2, but less than 3 or portuguese for and, or very roughly 2.71828182, or mc^2, or the most worthless letter in the alphabet according to extensive research done by withoutclass |
| 19:37.58 | Shirik|AFK | hang on |
| 19:38.18 | Shirik|AFK | so pi is equivalent to four times the integral of the square root of (1 - x^2) |
| 19:38.21 | Shirik|AFK | that's so easy... |
| 19:38.39 | Shirik|AFK | (evaluated from 0 to 1 on the integral) |
| 19:38.46 | Shirik|AFK | I thought the formula was a lot more complex.... |
| 19:38.51 | zenzelezz | nonsense |
| 19:38.54 | zenzelezz | pi is delicious |
| 19:38.58 | Shirik|AFK | http://www.geom.uiuc.edu/~huberty/math5337/groupe/expresspi.html |
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| 19:51.36 | dylanm_ | Shirik|AFK: I don't think that formula is representative of the complexity... I mean it doesn't help you get the number really. Of course the area of a unit circle is pi. |
| 19:51.59 | Shirik|AFK | sure it helps you get the number |
| 19:52.03 | Shirik|AFK | at least an approximation |
| 19:52.13 | dylanm_ | Well approximating is the real trouble :p |
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| 19:52.21 | Cairenn | hey Iriel |
| 19:52.22 | Shirik|AFK | what value of pi isn't an approximation? |
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| 19:53.58 | Shirik|AFK | I demand you give me the exact value of pi |
| 19:54.02 | dylanm_ | I meant that it's defined as that area. |
| 19:54.16 | Shirik|AFK | though Louisiana once said it was the square root of 16/9 |
| 19:54.18 | Fin | ~dict value |
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| 19:55.07 | Fin | if I could remember what the two numbers to divide by are, I reckon a fraction would be a valid answer for the value of pi :P |
| 19:55.08 | dylanm_ | I think I was mostly trying to see if your surprise was facetious :p |
| 19:55.18 | |Jelly|TEMPT | AMG |
| 19:55.19 | dylanm_ | And also to say that there are a tonnnnn of fun expressions for it. |
| 19:55.24 | Iriel | afternoon |
| 19:55.24 | Iriel | Shirik|AFK: That only works if you say 'I demand you give me an exact decimal representation of PI' |
| 19:55.35 | Shirik|AFK | I would love something else |
| 19:55.39 | dylanm_ | (I didn't see the start of this discussion) |
| 19:55.40 | Shirik|AFK | even non-decimal |
| 19:55.41 | Iriel | It's not that there are values of PI which are not exact, there IS an exact value of PI. The problem is that it's irrational so translating it into a numeric representation fails. |
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| 19:55.51 | Fin | thank you for polishing off my joke-framework, Iriel |
| 19:55.52 | zenzelezz | pi is exactly 3 |
| 19:55.54 | dylanm_ | Iriel: Bingo. |
| 19:55.57 | Shirik|AFK | Someone didn't accept my value of "Four times the integral of the square root of (1-x^2) |
| 19:56.04 | Fin | now I shall dance! |
| 19:56.06 | Shirik|AFK | So I'm saying give me another solution :) |
| 19:56.18 | Shirik|AFK | ^^ evaluated from 0 to 1 |
| 19:56.24 | Shirik|AFK | ... |
| 19:56.26 | Shirik|AFK | ~lart Fin |
| 19:56.26 | purl | stuffs Fin into a shiny new tin can and vacuum seals it |
| 19:57.40 | Cidan | mm, I wish we could calculate pi out all the way |
| 19:57.54 | zenzelezz | people do try |
| 19:57.57 | Fin | maybe you can |
| 19:57.58 | dylanm_ | Off the top of my head there's the Leibniz formula, the Wallis one, Chebyshev, Ramanujan (who's always interesting)... a lot of crap with the special functions |
| 19:58.02 | Fin | you'll never find out until you try |
| 19:58.13 | Fin | you could be the first! |
| 19:58.13 | Cidan | I wonder if quantum computing will let us someday soon |
| 19:58.16 | Cidan | Perhaps before I die. |
| 19:58.31 | Fin | I don't think quantum computers are especially suited for the task |
| 19:58.31 | zenzelezz | I feel we should never get the exact value of pi |
| 19:58.37 | zenzelezz | it'd be like 3drealms releasing DNF |
| 19:58.38 | dylanm_ | Lots of cool ways to hit it with probability. |
| 19:58.41 | Fin | they're just good at doing lots of things in parallel |
| 19:58.51 | foxlit | Wasn't pi transcendent? |
| 19:59.02 | Fin | great soundtrack |
| 19:59.19 | dylanm_ | I remember one guy had a thing on his weblog where his captcha was you putting in two entirely random integers |
| 19:59.30 | zenzelezz | I'm still trying to wrap my head around quantum computing... "boolean: maybe it's true, maybe it's false. Who knows!" |
| 19:59.42 | dylanm_ | Well, not entirely. I'm sure there's a bias for putting in larger numbers because you're being told to bash keys. |
| 20:00.01 | Fin | the cool thing is, nwo that you're trying, you're bound to both succeed *and* fail |
| 20:00.05 | dylanm_ | Anyway the probability of the two numbers given being coprime is related to pi in some way. |
| 20:00.32 | Fin | I want to be Optimus |
| 20:00.37 | dylanm_ | And at the top of his blog he had the current approximation given from the random numbers. It was cool. |
| 20:00.43 | dylanm_ | Fin: Sure. |
| 20:01.04 | the-golem_ | lol fin |
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| 20:02.11 | Cidan | lol |
| 20:02.13 | Cidan | For a 300-qubit quantum register, somewhere on the order of 1090 classical registers are required, more than there are atoms in the observable universe. |
| 20:02.22 | Cidan | that is, 10^90 |
| 20:02.30 | the-golem_ | lol |
| 20:02.33 | the-golem_ | i was gonna say |
| 20:02.40 | the-golem_ | only 1100 atoms total? :P |
| 20:02.51 | dylanm_ | I have like at least half that many. |
| 20:03.00 | zenzelezz | :-p |
| 20:03.12 | the-golem_ | i have that many in my thumb *flex* |
| 20:03.15 | the-golem_ | lol |
| 20:03.18 | zenzelezz | pessimists are people who lack protons |
| 20:03.27 | the-golem_ | lol! |
| 20:03.34 | Cidan | 300 qubits can calculate at a speed greater than having 10^90 bits at the same time |
| 20:03.39 | Cidan | That's... insane. |
| 20:04.01 | Cidan | What would you DO with that, christ. |
| 20:04.12 | Cidan | lol, I'd prolly still try to conserve CPU cycles too, :P |
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| 20:04.25 | foxlit | "at a speed greater than having 10^90 bits at the same time" |
| 20:04.27 | dylanm_ | I'd Ace that shiz. |
| 20:04.30 | foxlit | Speed is measured at bits / time? |
| 20:04.31 | Cidan | rofl |
| 20:04.48 | foxlit | *in |
| 20:05.15 | Cidan | I imagine so but don't quote me, I'm not quite up to quantum physics yet. |
| 20:05.22 | Cidan | I'm working on it, :P |
| 20:05.40 | zenzelezz | all this talk of quantum-stuff compels me to link http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/128338532260781250iminurbocks.jpg |
| 20:05.57 | foxlit | The cat ran off. |
| 20:06.26 | snurre | "cat fucked off, dog rang bell" - eddie izzard |
| 20:08.01 | foxlit | "Saving the human race from extinction: no charge" |
| 20:08.50 | foxlit | Some minor amount of points for pointing out the origin of the quote :) |
| 20:10.10 | Iriel | sounds like a dirk gently quote, but I could easily be wrong |
| 20:10.25 | Cidan | Dirk Gently is god. |
| 20:10.41 | snurre | no, but Thor is |
| 20:10.45 | Cidan | haha |
| 20:10.53 | Cidan | Odin sure isn't |
| 20:10.56 | Cidan | :/ |
| 20:12.47 | snurre | ffs france.. come on and score already :/ |
| 20:13.51 | foxlit | Iriel is right, as usual :) |
| 20:18.43 | snurre | w00t! 13-13 |
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| 20:30.26 | BrianH | hey Cidan, got a min to help with texture placement? |
| 20:30.34 | Cidan | ure |
| 20:30.35 | Cidan | sure even |
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| 20:33.28 | Shirik|AFK | Fate/Stay Night, Vol. 5: Medea |
| 20:33.28 | Shirik|AFK | Our Price: $29.99 |
| 20:33.28 | Shirik|AFK | Availability: Out of Stock |
| 20:33.32 | Shirik|AFK | I give up |
| 20:33.34 | Shirik|AFK | I can't find it anywhere |
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| 20:41.42 | Corrodias | i don't even know what that is |
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| 20:48.43 | Tem | wewt |
| 20:48.45 | Tem | I has a darkrune |
| 20:49.26 | |Jelly|TEMPT | Gimmeh Darkrune |
| 20:53.20 | Corrodias | save it |
| 20:53.36 | Corrodias | Death Blast was broken, last i checked, making it -nearly- impossible to complete |
| 20:54.15 | zenzelezz | since 2.2 I've only got fragments on both my chars, no complete runes |
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| 21:26.24 | Tem|football | Corrodias, they fixed deathblast |
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| 21:26.34 | Tem|football | I've now killed shartuul twice since the patch |
| 21:26.36 | Tem|football | <3 that event |
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| 21:27.25 | Tem|football | zenzelezz, I got my first full darkrune today and I've done the daily every day since the patch so that's like 12 days with only frags |
| 21:27.42 | Tem|football | they probably lowered the chance of getting a full rune by a bit |
| 21:33.43 | zenzelezz | http://www.linkinn.com/_The_Prettiest_and_Fairest_Images_you_will_ever_see_in_your_life_40_Pics |
| 21:34.59 | Shirik | that is a massive URL |
| 21:35.18 | zenzelezz | but it's readable, unlike most long URLs |
| 21:35.26 | Shirik | heh |
| 21:35.45 | Shirik | mysite.com/tpafiywesiyl.html?n=40 |
| 21:36.12 | Shirik | mysite.com/images.php?n=40&type=prettiest+fairest |
| 21:36.14 | Shirik | there we go |
| 21:36.21 | zenzelezz | I don't care for URL-shortening services for readable URLs |
| 21:36.28 | Shirik | I agree |
| 21:36.33 | Shirik | I never use tinyurl except to fit in my vent comment |
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| 21:47.52 | art3mis | https://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?name=MP4_2801K4&show=r <-- bought that last night wells ee how neat it is in a few days |
| 21:48.15 | art3mis | heh right after i bought it i noticed that newegg had 30gb archos' for 173$ |
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| 21:57.04 | BrianH | does $parent work for naming in Lua the way it does in XML? |
| 21:57.50 | Iriel | BrianH: No |
| 21:58.29 | BrianH | i.e. CreateFrame("button", "$parentCloseButton", nil, "UIPanelCloseButton"); |
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| 21:58.53 | Iriel | No, you want |
| 21:59.13 | Iriel | CreateFrame("button", UIPanelCloseButton:GetName() .. "CloseButton", nil, UIPanelCloseButton) |
| 22:00.20 | BrianH | ah k, thx |
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| 22:01.41 | mikma | zenzelezz: http://www.timecatcher.com/DATA/PHOTO/173.jpg <- yes Kal'el? |
| 22:02.26 | the-golem | lol mikma |
| 22:03.40 | foxlit | Hm. |
| 22:03.51 | foxlit | Who wants to join me in making the most game-mechanic abusing addon ever? |
| 22:04.04 | |Jelly| | Are you going to report everyone in AV? |
| 22:04.11 | foxlit | Haha, well, no. |
| 22:04.17 | foxlit | I was thinking of the brewfest ram races |
| 22:04.27 | |Jelly| | Do tell. |
| 22:04.59 | foxlit | Optimal path takes about 40 seconds |
| 22:05.07 | foxlit | Each completion rewards with 30 seconds back |
| 22:05.33 | the-golem | hi |Jelly|! *wave* |
| 22:05.43 | |Jelly| | Hi |
| 22:05.55 | foxlit | Or, rather, that's what I can do unassisted at the moment. |
| 22:06.09 | foxlit | Add in a bit of clever timing, and you can probably keep going forever. |
| 22:06.28 | |Jelly| | lol |
| 22:06.30 | |Jelly| | Go for it |
| 22:06.40 | foxlit | Going to be the most time-limited addon ever |
| 22:06.49 | foxlit | But fun, nonetheless |
| 22:07.25 | foxlit | Know anywhere I can pitch an arrow indicating desired movement direction, and two hud-style bars? |
| 22:08.24 | zenzelezz | aren't there some boss mods that use arrows for certain fights? Don't know if they're static or calculated based on position/direction |
| 22:08.37 | |Jelly| | While it doesn't want to work for me currently, you might look at the code used in Cartographer for waypoint arrows. |
| 22:08.53 | foxlit | Bossmods would probably use static ones, since coordinates in instances are lacking |
| 22:11.00 | Corrodias | i don't see why they didn't give us functional instance maps |
| 22:11.15 | Cide | because it takes time? |
| 22:11.31 | Corrodias | they being Blizzard, and they did a lot of things that took time |
| 22:11.32 | Cide | and they're more multi-layered than the real world, so it would be a much bigger effort |
| 22:12.03 | Corrodias | well, they have the minimap |
| 22:12.25 | Corrodias | it works pretty well everywhere except sunken temple |
| 22:12.33 | foxlit | I guess that's just the older RPG convention of not telling you what's in a dark, hostile place before it hits you on the head from behind |
| 22:14.54 | the-golem | bah |
| 22:15.08 | the-golem | X, Y, and Z axis |
| 22:15.26 | the-golem | its one of the few things sony did right in EQ2 |
| 22:15.37 | Cairenn | foxlit: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5279-BigWigs_ThaddiusArrows.html and http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7487-MotherArrows.html and http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info4140-BetterWaypoints.html |
| 22:15.59 | the-golem | doesnt dolby ever talk in here? /cry |
| 22:16.20 | Cairenn | the-golem: he does indeed, but he is out most of this weekend, he has family in town |
| 22:16.29 | the-golem | aaah |
| 22:16.35 | the-golem | i suppose i can forgive him then ;-) |
| 22:16.42 | Cairenn | heh |
| 22:17.15 | the-golem | although its been so long since i was active on EQ2 boards, he prolly forgot who i was ^^ |
| 22:17.33 | Cairenn | given how rarely he ever takes time for himself, I'm very very glad to see him taking a break for a change |
| 22:17.51 | the-golem | Kudane still doing EQ1 stuff? |
| 22:17.56 | zenzelezz | <Corrodias> it works pretty well everywhere except sunken temple -- UBRS/LBRS don't |
| 22:17.58 | [Ammo] | foxlit: the thaddiusarrows etc are indeed static |
| 22:18.05 | [Ammo] | just pointing you to step left, forward or right |
| 22:18.15 | [Ammo] | and expecting you to be in a certain starting position depending on strat |
| 22:18.59 | Cairenn | the-golem: don't count on that, I still remember people that used to post back on the EQ site in the early days and then never posted again until just recently on one of the other sites - if you were active enough to be considered a "regular", then the chances are he'll remember you |
| 22:19.48 | Cairenn | foxlit: no idea if any of those might help or not |
| 22:20.49 | foxlit | Cairenn: thanks, I'll take a look. |
| 22:21.11 | foxlit | Working on modeling how the ram works at the moment. |
| 22:21.20 | Cairenn | :) |
| 22:21.47 | dc_roenfanz | <---- |
| 22:21.50 | Cairenn | :) |
| 22:21.52 | dc_roenfanz | not like it matters ^^ |
| 22:22.10 | the-golem | lol |
| 22:23.01 | the-golem | *sigh* i miss that game. Too bad they changed some of the more favorable aspects of it |
| 22:23.32 | the-golem | #1 being shadow knights having skelley form |
| 22:27.37 | Cidan | I think really the only thing that will match up to WoW is sadly, another Blizzard MMO. Lulz. |
| 22:27.47 | Cidan | Oh, and the WH40k MMO. |
| 22:27.48 | Cidan | :P |
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| 22:35.28 | foxlit | Gah |
| 22:35.37 | foxlit | The black frame around some blizzard icons sucks :( |
| 22:36.41 | the-golem | ummm |
| 22:36.50 | the-golem | Age of Conan |
| 22:37.00 | the-golem | idk. looks fun |
| 22:37.14 | the-golem | prolly gonna be ghey and require Vista |
| 22:37.24 | the-golem | pos OS |
| 22:37.55 | cncfanatics | no it doesnt require vista |
| 22:37.58 | zenzelezz | I don't think games will require Vista for a long time |
| 22:38.00 | cncfanatics | crack that stupid shit requirement |
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| 22:38.11 | the-golem | oh good |
| 22:38.12 | zenzelezz | sticky shift o_O |
| 22:38.20 | cncfanatics | the piece of code that makes it require vista is if(GetOS() ~= "VISTA") then CRASH(); end |
| 22:38.26 | cncfanatics | there's cracks around for all "vista only" games |
| 22:38.36 | the-golem | zenzelezz: the new marvel MMO being developed by cryptic + microsoft = vista |
| 22:39.01 | zenzelezz | the-golem: one game is not the same as many games |
| 22:39.10 | the-golem | im jsut saying |
| 22:39.17 | the-golem | makes me cry |
| 22:39.47 | the-golem | bah |
| 22:39.52 | the-golem | i need to go mac, or linux |
| 22:39.57 | the-golem | windows drives me batty |
| 22:40.13 | foxlit | I can only specify a secure button to use an item by bag+slot id? |
| 22:43.42 | foxlit | And there seems to be no easy way to go from item id to bag + slot id |
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| 22:46.31 | Cidan | I'd use linux at all times if I didn't have a game addiction |
| 22:46.40 | Cidan | but I play too many games that won't run under windows |
| 22:46.49 | Cidan | er |
| 22:46.51 | Shirik | uh |
| 22:46.52 | Cidan | won't run under linux |
| 22:46.52 | Cidan | :P |
| 22:46.54 | Shirik | heh |
| 22:47.02 | Cidan | ugh, I feel sick, not sure why |
| 22:47.13 | Cidan | I think I rode my bicycle a bit too hard today |
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| 22:56.30 | Kalroth | Cidan: Yeah, your "bicycle" |
| 22:58.37 | Cidan | eh? |
| 22:58.41 | the-golem | lol |
| 23:05.54 | Thunder_Child | rather interesting http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/clips/total-immersion-dfusion-realtime-dynamic-3d-awesomeness-307914.php?autoplay=true |
| 23:12.21 | Shirik | that's pretty cool Thunder_Child |
| 23:13.04 | Thunder_Child | ya, with some adjustments to the galsses that have video in them you could walk around and see it in realtime |
| 23:25.32 | Lysistrata124 | Is there anywhere a list of removed factions? |
| 23:26.30 | foxlit | There's a category on wowwiki |
| 23:26.35 | foxlit | Check links on top of [[API]] |
| 23:26.57 | Lysistrata124 | OK thanks I'll do that. :) |
| 23:39.09 | bleeter | Thunder_Child: that's quite sexy |
| 23:40.58 | Thunder_Child | as a practial joke, have all of the windows on your house replaced with monitors showing completely retarded stuff....works best with a front facing picture window |
| 23:42.30 | Lysistrata124 | I didn't know there was that much removed but I haven't found a wiki page that just shows the removed factions in fact the Wildhamerclan isn't even on the "removed from game" category. |
| 23:46.27 | Corrodias | they should be |
| 23:46.30 | Corrodias | i remember reading them from that page |
| 23:46.54 | Corrodias | it is on that page |
| 23:47.00 | Corrodias | http://www.wowwiki.com/Category:Removed_From_Game under W |
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| 23:47.37 | Lysistrata124 | You are right so I just skipped it. ^^; Sorry :) |
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