| 00:00.21 | mikma | fun: http://wow.reaktio.net/mount.txt |
| 00:00.47 | Kirov | ? |
| 00:00.50 | Kaso | Why is that so fun? |
| 00:01.12 | mikma | because now i can use 1x interface and wtf with both of my computers |
| 00:01.21 | mikma | read: same ui, same settings |
| 00:01.35 | Kirov | lol |
| 00:01.40 | Kaso | oh /Volumes is a remote drive, quite clever. |
| 00:01.41 | mikma | only the gfx/audio/stuff like that are on local computers |
| 00:01.41 | foxlit | qq, some bg matches suck |
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| 00:02.33 | mikma | so basicly i just shared AddOns and Account from PC and mounted them in Mac. then i did ln -s for the mounted folders :) |
| 00:02.54 | Cidan | is "UNIT_SPELLCAST_SENT" only fired when the player casts? |
| 00:03.02 | Cidan | You would think it's everyone.... |
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| 00:03.39 | foxlit | No, you wouldn't |
| 00:03.48 | foxlit | _SENT implies your client knows something sent something |
| 00:03.57 | foxlit | It wouldn't know what other clients sent :) |
| 00:04.26 | Polarina | Good night. |
| 00:04.31 | Cidan | so there is no way to tell when a unit in your raid is casting a spell? |
| 00:04.34 | Cidan | and what spell it is? |
| 00:04.43 | foxlit | UnitCastingInfo |
| 00:04.45 | foxlit | UnitChannelingInfo |
| 00:04.56 | foxlit | UNIT_SPELLCAST_START |
| 00:05.46 | Cidan | and that passes the spell name? |
| 00:05.56 | Cidan | doesn't say so on wowwiki |
| 00:06.10 | Cidan | oh well, I see what you mean now |
| 00:06.11 | Cidan | :P |
| 00:09.54 | art3mis | ya know since the tracking things are persistent though death whats the point of minimap buttoning them now? |
| 00:10.47 | Corrodias | so you know which one you have up |
| 00:11.03 | Corrodias | and, with addons, a compact way of selecting them |
| 00:11.16 | art3mis | a persistent buff would be better |
| 00:13.19 | Corrodias | i don't see why |
| 00:13.51 | Corrodias | another point is that what you're tracking is directly related to what you see on the minimap |
| 00:16.34 | art3mis | well mainly because having a shitload of stupid buttons on the minimap is annoying ;P |
| 00:16.55 | art3mis | particularly when certain buttons don't get "button bagged" |
| 00:18.30 | Corrodias | alright, but of the buttons that GET put on the minimap, i think tracking is one of the few that actually belong there |
| 00:18.58 | art3mis | point taken, just seems odd in the case of mining in particular |
| 00:19.02 | art3mis | or herbal |
| 00:19.11 | art3mis | if they're persistent FOREVER once you activate them |
| 00:19.18 | art3mis | they dont really need to be there anymore |
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| 00:49.09 | foxlit | Hm |
| 00:49.11 | foxlit | This is odd |
| 00:49.49 | foxlit | local Bot, t = {}, {}; .... function Bot:DoStuff() print(tostring(t)) -- nil end |
| 00:51.44 | foxlit | And everything is explained by a typo rather than a sinister function rewrite later on in the code. Typical. |
| 00:56.16 | Wobwork | oh. |
| 00:56.18 | Wobwork | dear god: http://www.badscience.net/?p=544 |
| 00:59.53 | Wobwork | it's SCIENCE, SCIENCE, SCIENCE! |
| 01:04.27 | foxlit | Hah, maybe doing things this way was a bad idea |
| 01:06.05 | foxlit | Have a parent table that handles a collection of child tables; calling Terminate on the parent table should call Terminate on all children that have the function. |
| 01:06.37 | foxlit | Problem is, children's __index is set to parent itself, so if a child has no Terminate function, parent ends up calling it's own function in an infinite loop. |
| 01:07.36 | Wobwork | Why is the children's index pointed back to the parent? |
| 01:08.40 | foxlit | Allows them to reference each other as a global variable |
| 01:08.58 | foxlit | Plus call parent's functions transparently |
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| 01:11.22 | Wobwork | like Terminate =) |
| 01:13.48 | foxlit | That too. |
| 01:14.50 | Wobwork | any reason you can't force the children to have at least an empty terminate? |
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| 01:16.32 | foxlit | I could, but that'd be cheating. |
| 01:16.49 | Wobwork | cheating? |
| 01:16.49 | foxlit | It's fixable, I was just wondering what's going on there. |
| 01:16.52 | Wobwork | There are rules? |
| 01:17.04 | foxlit | You can fix the problem without doing anything to the children |
| 01:17.59 | art3mis | lies! |
| 01:18.07 | art3mis | the children are always involved and effected! |
| 01:18.21 | art3mis | thats what todays child endangerment laws have taught me anyways |
| 01:18.21 | Wobwork | well you can check if the terminate function exists in the child in the parent metatable I guess |
| 01:19.20 | art3mis | but terminateing the child before the parent is something no parent should live through ;P |
| 01:19.24 | foxlit | rawget(t, "element") allows you to get an entry of a table without consulting the metatable |
| 01:19.47 | Thunder_Child | ~lart art3mis |
| 01:19.47 | purl | slaps a compatible dib on art3mis's head |
| 01:19.58 | foxlit | I sense I've set the stage for "won't someone please think of the children!" jokes. |
| 01:26.15 | Sixen_ | Rofl |
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| 01:26.47 | Sixen_ | The Test Realm forum is full of locked threads. |
| 01:27.02 | Sixen_ | =o |
| 01:27.06 | Sixen_ | Why am I sixen_ |
| 01:27.07 | hannoman | hi all |
| 01:27.18 | Sixen | Fixed. |
| 01:28.24 | hannoman | uhm, is this the right place to ask questions about wow ui modification ? |
| 01:28.47 | Wobwork | quite possibly! |
| 01:30.49 | hannoman | well, i wondered if it is possible to reload addons without logging out, through a console cmd or something... |
| 01:34.01 | foxlit | /run ReloadUI(); |
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| 01:47.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | i normally hate lolcats type stuff, but for some reason this makes me crack the hell up |
| 01:47.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/334/1191807322167jy8.jpg |
| 01:47.59 | Thunder_Child | classrooms are dangerous places for cats |
| 01:49.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | not when you're as massive as that cat |
| 01:49.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | maybe the perspective is all off |
| 01:49.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | but to me that cat appears to be pretty much gigantic |
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| 02:10.56 | hannoman | thank you very much, works quite well :) |
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| 02:40.45 | Thrae | No RAID5 for me tonight -- my controller card no workie |
| 02:41.24 | Thunder_Child | lol, i read raids |
| 02:41.58 | Thunder_Child | and i was trying to figure out how come you cant raid w/o a controller card |
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| 02:42.47 | Thunder_Child | Thrae, no onboard? |
| 02:42.58 | Thrae | ThraeBot: SATA controller card, not RAID (although it can do up to RAID3) |
| 02:43.21 | Thrae | Thunder_Child: SATA controller card, not RAID (although it can do up to RAID3) |
| 02:43.26 | Thunder_Child | lol |
| 02:44.02 | Thunder_Child | ah |
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| 03:44.09 | Thunder_Child | grrr...i can never seem to find a questionaire that actually has all of the possible responses |
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| 04:17.44 | Wobwork | "The weather was cool, if humid, there was a low hanging mist over the forest for part of the morning, and the sun rising behind it was a flat white disk, no brighter than a sheet of paper. (I love atmospheric effects that allow you to look at the sun. It feels like you're cheating the laws of childhood somehow, like competing in the hundred yard dash-with-scissors.)" |
| 04:17.49 | Wobwork | I <3 ursulav |
| 04:34.24 | art3mis | http://www.mmowned.com/forums/wow-exploits/52013-unlimited-brewfest-tokens.html |
| 04:35.28 | Sixen | Heh |
| 04:35.28 | Shirik | AHAHAHa |
| 04:35.31 | Sixen | That's still a pain. |
| 04:35.31 | Shirik | everyone's client just crashed again |
| 04:35.32 | Shirik | ftw |
| 04:35.34 | Sixen | Lawl |
| 04:35.38 | Sixen | On the PTR? |
| 04:35.41 | Shirik | entire server |
| 04:35.45 | Shirik | not WoW, sorry, but still |
| 04:35.49 | Sixen | Even better, =o |
| 04:35.56 | Shirik | it's so awesome |
| 04:36.00 | Shirik | there's a special kind of rare enchant in the game |
| 04:36.06 | Shirik | if it succeeds (has a chance to fail) |
| 04:36.12 | Shirik | everyone's client crashes |
| 04:36.18 | Sixen | Rofl? |
| 04:36.25 | Shirik | And we were on vent like "Yeah we're trying this" |
| 04:36.32 | Shirik | and then we crashed and on vent like "Grats!" |
| 04:37.06 | Sixen | haha |
| 04:37.17 | Wobwork | rofl |
| 04:37.27 | Wobwork | oh that's a hell of a lot of shards |
| 04:37.32 | Sixen | Agreed. |
| 04:37.36 | Wobwork | for 3 tickets a shard, effectively |
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| 04:37.51 | art3mis | Wobwork: heh true but take 30 shards per lock |
| 04:38.03 | art3mis | you could easily have a ram in like 3 days |
| 04:38.08 | Wobwork | Well, you'd want either three warlocks |
| 04:38.13 | Wobwork | or a lot of soulshards |
| 04:38.36 | Wobwork | cause each member 'helping' would want to get it too |
| 04:38.39 | Thunder_Child | or not actually care so much |
| 04:38.53 | art3mis | heh |
| 04:38.59 | Wobwork | hm, I wonder... |
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| 04:39.34 | art3mis | technically |
| 04:39.54 | art3mis | if you got all yer bored guild locks you could prolly get a ram in about an hour |
| 04:40.00 | art3mis | ;) |
| 04:41.08 | Wobwork | hehe |
| 04:41.33 | Sixen | Heh |
| 04:41.37 | Sixen | Just make a raid |
| 04:41.43 | Sixen | 39 Locks & You. |
| 04:41.48 | art3mis | hahaha |
| 04:41.54 | Sixen | Crazy stuff 8) |
| 04:42.11 | art3mis | i wish i knew 39 locks ;P |
| 04:42.32 | Thunder_Child | go take a trip to a masterlock factory |
| 04:42.32 | Sixen | :P |
| 04:42.43 | art3mis | ~rimshot |
| 04:42.43 | purl | ba-dum CHH |
| 04:45.00 | Wobwork | If you had 40 locks, they could set up a rotation and send out 10 people at a time |
| 04:45.15 | Wobwork | or even more... |
| 04:45.35 | Wobwork | 20 people at a time |
| 04:45.50 | Wobwork | you'd just have to alternate which portal is being clicked on by whom |
| 04:46.20 | Wobwork | You could probably set up 30 people at a time |
| 04:46.24 | Thunder_Child | to bad they are not in higher lvl areas...that way you coulf have some of the locks shard farming |
| 04:46.26 | Wobwork | with warlocks casting chain portals |
| 04:46.30 | Thunder_Child | could* |
| 04:55.36 | art3mis | Thunder_Child: thats easy |
| 04:56.01 | art3mis | you just set aside 3 locks as aprt of the shard cycle |
| 04:56.19 | art3mis | then you set yer hearth to some inn that gives shards ;P |
| 04:57.17 | Wobwork | Hehe |
| 04:57.21 | Wobwork | this is getting complex =) |
| 04:57.47 | Wobwork | What's the least number of warlocks in a 40 man that can perpetuate this process |
| 04:58.01 | Wobwork | You could send others with the shard farmers to help kill stuff |
| 04:58.27 | Wobwork | three warlocks can self perpetuate three ramriders |
| 04:59.06 | Wobwork | or more, really |
| 04:59.19 | Wobwork | how long does a summoning portal take to 'take' |
| 04:59.26 | Wobwork | given, say 3 seconds reaction time to click |
| 05:00.48 | Wobwork | say, it takes 40-45 seconds for a full ram run |
| 05:01.02 | Wobwork | that's 20 or so seconds one way |
| 05:01.28 | Wobwork | although, really, it's running to the second applebarrel, as you want zero exhaustion to start with |
| 05:01.34 | Wobwork | say 25 seconds |
| 05:01.43 | Corrodias | the return is... minimal to nonexistant for those who have been around since it started |
| 05:02.09 | Wobwork | if the warlocks stand in a inward facing triangle so that the portals arrive in the same place... |
| 05:02.12 | Corrodias | but it's an interesting idea |
| 05:02.42 | Wobwork | they could summon one person every, say, 10 seconds |
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| 05:06.47 | Wobwork | ps http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/effect_an_effect.png |
| 05:06.58 | Wobwork | http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/effect_an_effect.png |
| 05:07.00 | Wobwork | erg |
| 05:07.05 | Wobwork | http://xkcd.com/326/ |
| 05:07.07 | Wobwork | there =: |
| 05:07.09 | Wobwork | P |
| 05:11.40 | Thunder_Child | /cry "22:10:58 [2] <DND><Elfenassan>: chuck noris wears a live rattle snake as a condom" |
| 05:19.16 | Wobwork | ... |
| 05:19.19 | Wobwork | poor snake =( |
| 05:19.31 | Wobwork | "Rattled, for her pleasure" |
| 05:19.41 | Thunder_Child | lol |
| 05:21.46 | Thunder_Child | Wobwork, this by the way is what i logged into http://wowi.pastey.net/75024 |
| 05:22.07 | Thunder_Child | (edited for most of the stupidity) |
| 05:22.38 | Wobwork | oh yeah |
| 05:22.44 | Wobwork | MurlocMovies |
| 05:22.46 | Wobwork | a common game =( |
| 05:23.00 | Thunder_Child | it converted into taurens |
| 05:23.57 | Wobwork | interesting |
| 05:24.05 | Wobwork | I'm surprised there were no cow puns |
| 05:24.24 | Thunder_Child | no puns thankfully |
| 05:24.50 | Thunder_Child | or i would have had to /quit |
| 05:25.02 | Thunder_Child | then maybe /wrists |
| 05:38.34 | art3mis | i like to moooooo vit moooovit |
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| 05:41.05 | Wobwork | hm, anyone know if mindnumbing poison works on Kiggler and such in the Maulger event? |
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| 05:52.04 | Nom- | oh noes |
| 05:52.15 | Nom- | another 2.2.4 on PTR before we get 2.3 :( |
| 05:55.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | link? ;o |
| 05:56.15 | Nom- | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2215642543&postId=22152176671&sid=1#37 |
| 05:56.22 | Nom- | mmo-champion is your friend |
| 05:57.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | "post 2.2.3 releases" doesn't necessarily mean 2.4 |
| 05:57.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | er |
| 05:57.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | "post 2.2.3 releases" doesn't necessarily mean 2.2.4 |
| 05:59.38 | Tem | lol this GM is very thick |
| 06:00.09 | Tem | I told him that sending emails to my addy aren't working so I'm worried about missing the "specialist" that's going to review my ticket later |
| 06:00.35 | Wobwork | Don't worry Tem |
| 06:00.43 | Wobwork | I hear they're hiring ninjas as Specialists |
| 06:00.52 | Wobwork | so you'll get your mail no matter what |
| 06:01.04 | Wobwork | (possibly in the back of the head, when you least expect it though) |
| 06:01.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | tem, https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/account/change-contact.html ? |
| 06:02.11 | Tem | Mr_Rabies done it multiple times |
| 06:02.16 | Tem | I never get the confirmation email |
| 06:02.22 | Tem | (yes I've checked my spam filter) |
| 06:02.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | what service? |
| 06:02.27 | Tem | gmail |
| 06:02.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | weird |
| 06:02.39 | Wobwork | normal mail works to it? |
| 06:02.57 | Wobwork | I can send a test email if you want |
| 06:02.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | some isps have a serverside spam filter |
| 06:02.59 | Cairenn|afk | naw, not weird - remember, this is Tem we're talking about - we've already determined they hate him |
| 06:03.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | but if it's gmail |
| 06:03.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | their stuff is almost all clientside |
| 06:03.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | though they run virus scans |
| 06:03.27 | Cairenn|afk | if player == Tem then crash wow and if player == Tem then don't send email |
| 06:03.33 | Tem | Wobwork, I get 20-30 emails a day |
| 06:03.39 | Tem | (legitimate emails) |
| 06:03.42 | Wobwork | Just not from Blizzard =) |
| 06:03.57 | Tem | also, I /can/ get email from blizzard |
| 06:04.31 | Tem | (I've gotten email from @blizzard.com addresses, but it was people who sent it manually) |
| 06:06.05 | Wobwork | wouldn't a 'specialist' be sending manually? |
| 06:06.08 | Wobwork | (hopefully) |
| 06:06.37 | art3mis | no |
| 06:06.41 | Tem | no |
| 06:06.47 | Tem | GMs don't send email manually |
| 06:06.52 | Tem | they can't even see what your email addy is |
| 06:06.54 | art3mis | specialists just have longer auto email replies ;P |
| 06:07.14 | art3mis | good god my paladin is OP |
| 06:07.23 | Wobwork | maybe try another email account? |
| 06:07.25 | art3mis | 9 mobs in a row and 2 flguard destroyers |
| 06:07.30 | Wobwork | hm, but you never get the confirmation |
| 06:07.30 | art3mis | without a break |
| 06:12.22 | Thunder_Child | ~lart art3mis |
| 06:12.22 | purl | blasts art3mis with a huge firehose then strangles art3mis with it |
| 06:12.29 | Thunder_Child | now you have that stuck in my head |
| 06:15.33 | Nom- | art3mis: Warlocks _NEVER_ have to stop |
| 06:15.52 | Nom- | art3mis: Although, I'd argue nothing can beat a Paladin at AoE farming on melee mobs |
| 06:15.55 | Nom- | Casters are teh real problem |
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| 06:16.33 | Wobwork | most aoe grinding guides are tailored towards melee mobs |
| 06:16.46 | Nom- | Yeah, because caster mobs are near impossible to aoe |
| 06:16.47 | Wobwork | since casters generally are problematic with all aoers |
| 06:17.35 | Wobwork | I'd level a pally for that sort of fun |
| 06:17.39 | Wobwork | but oh god... levelling a pally |
| 06:17.43 | Nom- | I've found that my Mage is best for single-target DPS |
| 06:17.47 | Nom- | And Paladin for AoE farming |
| 06:17.54 | Nom- | (Those are my only 70's) |
| 06:18.13 | Nom- | I'm levelling a warlock for the purpose of farming now...lol |
| 06:18.22 | Wobwork | warlocks are great for farming |
| 06:18.25 | Wobwork | as are hunters |
| 06:18.34 | Nom- | levelling a pally is actually good fun |
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| 06:18.41 | Wobwork | hunters are slightly easier, but warlocks can take on more |
| 06:18.46 | Thunder_Child | i'm lvling a mage now for the purpose's of screwing with raids |
| 06:18.57 | Nom- | Well |
| 06:19.05 | Wobwork | My hunter is now almost purely my farming toon |
| 06:19.08 | Nom- | My Hunter is currently level 36 |
| 06:19.32 | Nom- | I'd think about it, but my intial thoughts were warlock > hunter due to ammo |
| 06:19.43 | Wobwork | Hunter requires less thought |
| 06:19.45 | Nom- | Warlock can farm shards while farming, whereas a hunter has to make ammo trips |
| 06:19.56 | Wobwork | so grinding is less stressful |
| 06:20.01 | Nom- | Also, because i'm on a PvP server |
| 06:20.08 | Nom- | Noone dares gank a Warlock |
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| 06:20.16 | Nom- | Wheras Hunters and Mgaes get ganked all the time |
| 06:20.27 | Nom- | Paladins too, despite what you think |
| 06:20.32 | Wobwork | Unless you want to go all out on tricks with multitrapping/kiting/etc you can just set the pet to go off and attack and autoshot |
| 06:20.45 | Wobwork | Nom-: cause fear is op =) |
| 06:20.50 | Nom- | Pretty much... |
| 06:20.52 | Wobwork | and lolcoil |
| 06:20.58 | Nom- | That's why I was thinking warlock for solo farming |
| 06:21.08 | Nom- | That, and underwater breathing is OP for farming primal water |
| 06:21.09 | Wobwork | oh absolutely |
| 06:21.44 | Nom- | Having said that, I do OK as an Undead Mage |
| 06:21.58 | Wobwork | not as much survivability as a warlock imo |
| 06:22.02 | Nom- | But farming anything underwarter sucks as BE Paladin |
| 06:22.04 | Wobwork | unless you're frost |
| 06:22.11 | Nom- | Mage you mean :P |
| 06:22.23 | Wobwork | farming anything is painful as a pally |
| 06:22.36 | Nom- | hmmm not _everything_ |
| 06:22.38 | Thunder_Child | my priest has more surviability than a mage |
| 06:22.40 | Wobwork | at least where you can't aoe |
| 06:22.48 | Nom- | The netherwing mines are EZ Mode for a prot pally |
| 06:23.09 | Nom- | It might actually get better in 2.3 with the holy damage changs |
| 06:23.22 | Nom- | I'll have 700 holy damage, 20+% crit and 1700 +healing |
| 06:24.05 | Thunder_Child | hwere are the changes listed? |
| 06:24.12 | Nom- | mmo-champion.com |
| 06:24.20 | Thunder_Child | thx |
| 06:24.30 | Nom- | Basically all items with +healing will grant +33% of that healing value in spell damage |
| 06:24.48 | Nom- | Plus Paladin gets a +dmg based on intellect as part of the holy tree |
| 06:24.48 | Thunder_Child | hm...i have a holy dps priest atm |
| 06:25.07 | Nom- | Well, there's a lot of paladins really excited about these changes |
| 06:25.11 | Wobwork | hehe |
| 06:25.20 | Nom- | They're looking at 20% crit, 800 spell damage, 1500 +healing |
| 06:25.21 | Wobwork | my last AV had about... 80% pally |
| 06:25.25 | Nom- | for arena, that's PWNSAUCE |
| 06:25.39 | Wobwork | they were all grinding honour to get gear =) |
| 06:25.55 | Nom- | absolutely |
| 06:26.03 | Nom- | I'm still doing that, but I'll be getting the +heal arena gear now |
| 06:26.13 | Nom- | It's not worth getting the +dmg gear any more, with these changes coming |
| 06:26.43 | Wobwork | It's great, it means all the healbots can actually do other stuff too =) |
| 06:27.17 | Nom- | Yeah, it's especially useful for Paladins |
| 06:27.28 | Nom- | Because outside of PvP there's next to no plate with spell damage |
| 06:27.54 | Nom- | And of those pieces which do have it, they don't have spell crit |
| 06:28.28 | Nom- | That's the harsh part for Paladins imo, spell damage isn't enough... without crits (and lucky crits at that) we still don't kill anything in PvP |
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| 06:28.48 | Nom- | Ret... well Ret is just a laugh, so I won't even go there |
| 06:28.50 | krka | haha @ todays xkcd |
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| 06:29.51 | Nom- | The way Shockadin PvP worked... Avenging Wrath (+30% dmg), Divine Favor (100% crit), Holy Shock (Consumes DF), Judgement, Six Demon Bag |
| 06:29.55 | Nom- | IF they all crit |
| 06:29.57 | Nom- | You MIGHT kill someone |
| 06:30.49 | Nom- | Too many people QQ'ed about that, so we lost SDB |
| 06:31.03 | Nom- | Now that combo might make them heal themselves |
| 06:31.04 | Nom- | If you're lucky |
| 06:33.14 | Wobwork | hehe |
| 06:33.21 | Wobwork | . o O ("whups") |
| 06:34.03 | Nom- | Avenging Wrath is the biggest joke of a self buff ever |
| 06:34.25 | Wobwork | what's it do? |
| 06:34.34 | Wobwork | oh 30 |
| 06:34.35 | Nom- | +30% damage for 20 seconds |
| 06:34.43 | Wobwork | why a joke |
| 06:34.54 | Nom- | Because it can be countered so easily |
| 06:35.18 | Nom- | You can't use it on a Warlock, Priest, Mage, Hunter (in 2.3), Shaman or even a Druid |
| 06:35.30 | Nom- | Warlocks will consume it |
| 06:35.33 | Nom- | Priest will dispell it |
| 06:35.36 | Nom- | Mages will steal it |
| 06:35.42 | Nom- | Hunters will be able to dispell it in 2.3 |
| 06:35.45 | Nom- | Shamans will purge it |
| 06:35.51 | Nom- | Druid will just cyclone you until it runs out |
| 06:36.09 | Nom- | Even if the Warlock doesn't have a fel hunter out, he'll just fear you until it runs out |
| 06:36.10 | Thunder_Child | bitch bitch bitch |
| 06:36.35 | Nom- | Even warriors who have imp shield bash can dispel it |
| 06:38.55 | Shirik | krka: It tripped me up for a second... |
| 06:38.59 | Shirik | but it's clever :) |
| 06:46.23 | Tem | I LOVE pallies who use AR in front of me |
| 06:46.30 | Tem | *spellsteals* |
| 06:46.37 | Shirik | lol |
| 06:46.40 | Nom- | aww the blue tracker is broken :( |
| 06:47.03 | Tem | okay, so, let's review what casting that spell did for you: |
| 06:47.04 | art3mis | has someone made a class trainer addon that shows you what skills and such are available at yer level without having to go to the trainer? |
| 06:47.12 | Nom- | Tem: Yeah, it's stupid imo... it's countered by too many classes ... to the effect that I don't even bother to use it any more |
| 06:47.25 | Tem | 1) You now can't bubble for a minute |
| 06:47.26 | krka | Shirik: i had to look up effect on dictionary.com |
| 06:47.34 | Nom- | art3mis: School |
| 06:47.36 | Tem | 2) I do _more_ damage to your now extra squishy self |
| 06:47.45 | art3mis | thanks |
| 06:47.55 | Nom- | Tem: Yeah... if it didn't cause Forebearance it might be useful |
| 06:48.25 | Nom- | It's still a 3 minute cooldown, even without the forebearance |
| 06:48.47 | Nom- | And who cares if a ret pally does bubble/aw macro... lets be honest...he's not going to kill you anyway |
| 06:49.36 | Tem | Nom-, I've seen some ret pallies that _could_ kill me if they had bubble and AW up |
| 06:50.03 | Nom- | Tem: Then you need to kite more |
| 06:50.24 | Tem | Explain to me how I'm supposed to kite when he's immune? |
| 06:50.25 | Nom- | Any smart PvPer will not even let the pally get in range when they pop bubble |
| 06:50.29 | Tem | also, BoF is a bitch |
| 06:50.35 | Nom- | err |
| 06:50.42 | Nom- | paladins can't run faster than anyone |
| 06:50.45 | Nom- | blink and keep running |
| 06:50.56 | Tem | repentence |
| 06:51.02 | Nom- | blink and keep running |
| 06:51.14 | Tem | also, with the pursuit of justice buff coming, he /will/ be able to catch me |
| 06:51.15 | Nom- | you can blink out of stuns :) |
| 06:51.25 | Nom- | Yah, but i'm talking about right now |
| 06:51.29 | Nom- | and that's even still debateable |
| 06:51.40 | Nom- | We're only going to be 7% faster than the average PvPer |
| 06:51.58 | Nom- | For players who already try to kite at max range, that's a big gap to cover |
| 06:51.58 | Tem | Nom- Repentance isn't a stun |
| 06:52.10 | Tem | ie, I can't blink out of it |
| 06:52.21 | Tem | that's not to say that I won't pvp trinket out |
| 06:52.33 | Nom- | Yeah, but it'll break the second he taps you |
| 06:52.54 | Tem | which will be a 2-3k hit with AW on |
| 06:53.00 | Nom- | The only way he's going to kill you then is with a lucky crit string |
| 06:53.21 | Nom- | i'm talking crit on Melee, SoC AND Crusader Strike |
| 06:53.31 | Nom- | Which is still only going to be 8k damage tops |
| 06:53.46 | Tem | he doesn't need that much even to kill me |
| 06:53.58 | Tem | Eye for an eye really fucks crit based peple |
| 06:54.02 | Nom- | well most dedicated pvpers i've seen don't play with less than 10k hitpoints |
| 06:54.02 | Tem | people* |
| 06:54.28 | Nom- | well there goes the chance of getting "lucky crits" |
| 06:54.43 | Nom- | People don't realise this, but ret pally is a crit based class |
| 06:54.45 | Tem | I don't lose to ret pallies, I'm just saying I see it happening if he has bubble AND AW |
| 06:54.47 | Nom- | Without crits their damage is gimp |
| 06:55.10 | Tem | in fact, EfaE does more damage to me in most fights with ret pallies than the pally himself |
| 06:55.20 | Nom- | When I say gimp, i'm talking 1k melee, 800 crusader strike, 1k SoC |
| 06:55.25 | grephead | heh talking about paladin dps reminds me of http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6309808024331178619 |
| 06:55.33 | Nom- | that's WITH avenging wrath |
| 06:55.35 | Tem | is that the kazzak oneshot? |
| 06:55.41 | grephead | nope |
| 06:56.01 | grephead | it is the 'subtitled' Sahara video :) |
| 06:56.03 | Nom- | Pre-BugFix Reckoning Bombs mean nothing :P |
| 06:56.32 | Nom- | When that bug happened, many paladins were one-shotting world bosses |
| 06:57.33 | Nom- | I just hope they really fix us in 2.3 |
| 06:57.48 | Nom- | I might even just hang up my healing gear for a few months when that happens |
| 06:58.00 | Tem | Basically, Nom- , my dilema lies in this: pallies are the most durable class in game. you have to give up some of that for dps. This is where the forebearance on AW comes from. |
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| 06:58.22 | Nom- | Holy Paladins are durable |
| 06:58.26 | Nom- | No other spec is :) |
| 06:58.46 | Nom- | brb coffee |
| 06:58.48 | Tem | and they do the least damage, too |
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| 07:10.03 | Nom- | well, holy CAN have nice burst damage |
| 07:10.22 | Nom- | But not without gimping your +healing, which is what causes the durability in the first place |
| 07:10.40 | Nom- | Being able to heal yourself for 750+dps for 5 minutes straight (assuming no interrupts) is what gives the durability |
| 07:12.13 | Nom- | Bleh, Blue Tracker is really broken |
| 07:12.20 | Nom- | 2007-10-05 17:50:19 is the most recent post, but I know there's more recent ones |
| 07:16.05 | Nom- | http://blue.cardplace.com/blue_results1.htm <-- anyone see anything more recent than the 5th there? |
| 07:29.13 | art3mis | damn i should have stayed level 60 til brewfest was over |
| 07:29.28 | art3mis | appearantly i cant do the elks at 61 |
| 07:31.04 | Shirik | night all |
| 07:31.16 | |Jelly|Laptop | night |
| 07:31.27 | Shirik|zZz | this is an amusing article |
| 07:31.27 | Shirik|zZz | heh |
| 07:31.28 | Shirik|zZz | "That is why we need your assistance in the war on standards. Document standards are the real oil of the 21st century. " |
| 07:31.33 | Shirik|zZz | "The war on standards" that's a good one |
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| 07:32.01 | grephead | I love standards. There are so many to pick from. |
| 07:32.16 | Shirik|zZz | lol |
| 07:32.22 | Shirik|zZz | that statement is so ironic it's perfect |
| 07:32.24 | Shirik|zZz | anyway, night |
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| 07:41.22 | Nom- | Hmm... surprising that Primal Shadow is one of the hardest to farm now >< |
| 07:41.33 | Nom- | That's so completely opposite to a few months ago |
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| 07:46.48 | Thelyna | not hard at all to farm |
| 07:47.06 | Thelyna | go to either the voidwalkers southwest of honor hold, or the ones around oshu'gun |
| 07:47.18 | Thelyna | if you go to oshu'gun keep a wary eye out for durn |
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| 07:48.41 | Nom- | yeah, but compared to primal water |
| 07:49.01 | Tem|Sleep | primal water is hardest |
| 07:49.08 | Tem|Sleep | fucking frost immune pieces of shit |
| 07:49.12 | art3mis | hrm |
| 07:49.21 | art3mis | fb2 doesnt have a stance bar |
| 07:49.26 | Nom- | lol |
| 07:49.28 | Nom- | fire mage ftw |
| 07:49.38 | Nom- | i'm getting 4-6 primals per hour farming in skettis |
| 07:49.48 | art3mis | anyone know off hand a good stand alone stance bar so i dont need to waste a tone of spaces on my pally auras? |
| 07:50.18 | Nom- | Bongos! |
| 07:50.29 | Tem|Sleep | use any action bar and put them directly on the bar |
| 07:50.51 | Nom- | Use an auto-hide bar with Bongos |
| 07:50.54 | Nom- | I think it could do that |
| 07:50.54 | Nom- | :/ |
| 07:51.58 | Nom- | The problem with farming Primal Shadow is those void walker that absorb spells |
| 07:52.10 | Nom- | Once they buff retpally it should be a bit better tho |
| 07:53.11 | art3mis | well im using FB2 ruight now |
| 07:53.16 | art3mis | so... |
| 07:53.27 | art3mis | would be rather retarded to use a full "bar package" |
| 07:53.52 | art3mis | Tem|Sleep: yeah i kind of wanna avoid just poutting them all in bars |
| 07:54.27 | Adys | Is it possible to include a modifier key in a castsequence macro? |
| 07:54.43 | Tem|Sleep | you mean a decision midway through? |
| 07:54.48 | Nom- | quick, need more bad puns for jumping off a building! |
| 07:55.03 | Tem|Sleep | break a leg? |
| 08:00.00 | grephead | Adys: to accomplish what? |
| 08:00.09 | Adys | nm i got it :) |
| 08:00.15 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:00.15 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:00.26 | grephead | ah |
| 08:00.42 | Adys | was putting drain soul at the end |
| 08:00.53 | grephead | affliction specced? |
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| 10:53.13 | sag_ich_nicht | http://xkcd.com/326/ wow, that's a mean one. |
| 10:55.10 | Kaso | Im not embaressed to say i had to look it up to work out why his usage of "effects" was correct |
| 10:55.31 | sag_ich_nicht | yeah so had i |
| 10:56.34 | Kaso | i think you mean "so did i" or "i had to also" |
| 10:56.36 | Kaso | oh noooo! |
| 10:56.44 | Kaso | ha ha |
| 10:57.06 | krka | me too |
| 10:57.27 | sag_ich_nicht | wrong. i gave you an ability to quote stargate. you failed to. |
| 10:57.27 | krka | and the sentence made more sense with that meaning of "effect" |
| 10:58.13 | sag_ich_nicht | -an ability +a chance |
| 10:58.13 | sag_ich_nicht | :X |
| 10:58.27 | bleeter | I tend to mix the words around just to piss people off ;) |
| 11:00.14 | krka | i would have said opportunity instead |
| 11:01.13 | sag_ich_nicht | but you didn't have the opportunity to. |
| 11:01.55 | sag_ich_nicht | (common, nobody is going to correct me? ><) |
| 11:01.59 | rophy | Anyone know if SnapToGrid still works or is there similar addon which works? |
| 11:03.01 | krka | whoa... weird coincidence |
| 11:03.13 | krka | i just stumbled across a wikipedia page that used affect in the wrong way |
| 11:03.39 | krka | or maybe it's correct and obscure... might be another work of the xkcd guy |
| 11:04.01 | Wobin | krka: which one? |
| 11:05.34 | krka | i already closed it, but it was the page for episode 17 of six feet under |
| 11:05.58 | krka | and now i realize the use is correct |
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| 11:34.29 | foxlit | "Will display spec for other players running RockComm-1.0, so not everyone will have thier spec listed. RockComm is part of may popular addons such as Cartographer and Parrot, so there will be an existing userbase which this will work with." |
| 11:34.44 | foxlit | (on an unrelated LFG addon) |
| 11:35.08 | foxlit | So a library actually broadcasts your spec? |
| 11:35.53 | bleeter | hmm, that'll go down well in Arena |
| 11:36.42 | foxlit | sylvanaar: ping :) |
| 11:36.53 | sylvanaar | foxlit pong |
| 11:37.17 | foxlit | Your addon description there :) |
| 11:37.30 | sylvanaar | foxlit dont start - its just settled down in #wowace |
| 11:37.31 | foxlit | So does RockComm-1.0 actually broadcast specs indiscriminantly? |
| 11:37.54 | foxlit | I claim ignorance; just clicking on random links in curse |
| 11:38.01 | foxlit | *on |
| 11:38.14 | sylvanaar | feel free to grab my exe which does the same via clipboard stuffing |
| 11:39.19 | foxlit | If anything, that method sounds worse |
| 11:39.38 | sylvanaar | shrug, better than loading every character on the realm |
| 11:41.40 | sylvanaar | you have an option to disable the responses - so it isnt indiscriminant, and its quite useful. |
| 11:42.38 | foxlit | It's enabled by default? |
| 11:43.34 | foxlit | Actually, nevermind. I'm not that interested. |
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| 12:44.25 | clad | someone was on my nick.. i had ta boot them |
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| 12:46.23 | clad | Ah there we go |
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| 13:08.57 | Kaso | but i like mindlessly clicking whilst reading :< |
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| 13:41.51 | cryogen | i use instant both while levelling |
| 13:41.56 | cryogen | cripping oh against runners |
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| 13:51.42 | Cidan | I'm in Ravenholm in HL2 |
| 13:51.44 | Cidan | I hate this place |
| 13:51.45 | Cidan | :x |
| 13:52.35 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Lopeppeppy (n=Lopeppep@cpe-72-230-38-163.nycap.res.rr.com) |
| 13:52.54 | Cidan | Hiya peppy, :D |
| 13:53.10 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Cidan! How's your Columbusy Day? |
| 13:53.23 | Cidan | Greeaaattt |
| 13:53.32 | Cidan | No classes, today nor tomorrow. |
| 13:53.42 | Lopeppeppy | Very nice indeed. |
| 13:55.20 | Cidan | And you peppy? |
| 13:55.42 | Lopeppeppy | Bah, I'm workin'. But it's a day my SO has off, so at least I have company while I do it. |
| 13:56.04 | Cidan | SO? |
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| 13:57.44 | Lopeppeppy | Significant Otherperson. Husband. Mate-critter. Companion of Choice. All that stuffs. |
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| 13:58.08 | Cidan | Mate-critter is the best, IMO. |
| 13:58.17 | Cidan | Sadly, my.. er, SO, works today. |
| 13:58.46 | Lopeppeppy | That might work out better. When my male starts to play WoW at me all day, I'm gonna get jealous. |
| 14:02.39 | TS|Skrom | ROAR |
| 14:02.46 | Cidan | meow? |
| 14:03.23 | TS|Skrom | !c us gul'dan skrom |
| 14:03.26 | ThraeBot | TS|Skrom: Skrom, Level 66 Orc Hunter (44/10/3). 6692 HP; 4328 Mana; 103 mana regen; 19 mp5; 3808 Armour; 1025 AP; 153.700 Melee DPS; 9.52% melee crit; 3 melee hit; 1114 RAP; 235.20 Ranged DPS; 15.04% ranged crit; 3 ranged hit; 6.88% dodge; +20 all resists;[[ TBR: 1312 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2bgqw7 ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2wo32v ][ Updated: Mon Oct 8 10:04:36 2007 EST ]] |
| 14:03.30 | TS|Skrom | pewpew |
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| 14:04.25 | Lopeppeppy | Pewpew indeed. |
| 14:05.25 | Osagasu | !c us Bronzebeard Marsalak |
| 14:05.28 | ThraeBot | Osagasu: Marsalak, Level 70 Draenei Priest (48/13/0). 9361 HP; 9471 Mana; 148 mana regen; 26 mp5; 26 spell crit; 56 +spell dmg; 719 +heal; 5.54% dodge; 222 resilience; 10 shadow resist (+10); +33 all resists (+10 shadow);[[ TBR: 1076 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2yfnxo ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2kukcd ][ Updated: Mon Oct 8 10:06:38 2007 EST ]] |
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| 14:09.43 | cirdan | !c us kael'thas thengel |
| 14:09.45 | ThraeBot | cirdan: Thengel, Level 70 Human Mage (19/0/42). 6943 HP; 8561 Mana; 160 mana regen; 27 mp5; 167 spell crit; 64 spell hit; 638 +spell dmg/heal; 70 frost dmg (708); 34 nature dmg (672); 5.02% dodge; 35 arcane resist; +10 all resists;[[ TBR: 1190 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/ywzpqr ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2rsfvq ][ Updated: Mon Oct 8 10:10:56 2007 EST ]] |
| 14:09.48 | cirdan | cool. |
| 14:09.58 | |Jelly| | Gotta love when your roomie turns off SSID broadcasting. |
| 14:10.17 | Cidan | Wow, freaky dude with a name just like mine but with an r == weird. |
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| 14:11.28 | foxlit | Hah. |
| 14:11.46 | Lopeppeppy | I love room mates, they make great family barbeque.... |
| 14:11.50 | foxlit | Quoth google search results "AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA ..." |
| 14:12.27 | |Jelly| | Well, her children are being little terrors currently...and I'm apparently the built-in baby sitter. lol |
| 14:12.50 | Cidan | So I've been getting this urge to play DDO again, :/ |
| 14:13.13 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, those are just little shish kebabs waiting to happen, |Jelly| |
| 14:13.44 | foxlit | Grr, domain parking pages = hate |
| 14:14.09 | |Jelly| | lol, Peppy |
| 14:14.22 | foxlit | Most decent domain names I can think of are parked rather than actively used by someone |
| 14:15.16 | |Jelly| | So. How is everyone today? lol |
| 14:15.29 | Cidan | Well |
| 14:15.37 | Cidan | Considering reactivating DDO |
| 14:15.42 | Cidan | <3 the RP there. |
| 14:15.58 | |Jelly| | If it's RP you want, I can hook that up. :P |
| 14:16.19 | Cidan | I dislike RP in WoW, unless it's RP PVP, :P |
| 14:16.33 | Cidan | It's really the mechanics of DDO that I love |
| 14:16.38 | Cidan | It's... unique |
| 14:18.01 | Industrial | DDO? |
| 14:18.04 | Industrial | nm |
| 14:18.07 | Cidan | D&D online |
| 14:19.11 | Lopeppeppy | How is RP different from one MMO to another? Most of mine is in chat and emotes, does DDO offer something much better somehow? |
| 14:19.41 | Cidan | The environment is much different, and you actually RP as you play the game. |
| 14:20.07 | Cidan | As you go through dungeons, there is a "DM" voicing, like you would hear in a real D&D game |
| 14:20.07 | |Jelly| | The cyberz is a lot hotter, I imagine. |
| 14:20.30 | Cidan | The game play is just a tadddd bit slower, but rewarding |
| 14:20.36 | Cidan | You don't just left click auto attack either |
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| 14:20.57 | Cidan | If you have a shield, you right click to block, left click to attack, but it works out realllly well. |
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| 14:21.07 | Cidan | The controls are very solid. |
| 14:21.26 | Cidan | And when rogues sneak, they have to stick to shadows, :P |
| 14:21.39 | zenzelezz | I dislike when MMOs give you too much direct control, makes the latency stand out |
| 14:21.50 | Cidan | Nope, not in this game. |
| 14:21.55 | Cidan | It works really well. |
| 14:22.09 | TS|Skrom | You *can* autoattack if your latency is bad |
| 14:22.12 | Cidan | You don't see the latency stand out at all. |
| 14:22.21 | TS|Skrom | if you've got a good connection though you'll fight a wee bit faster without it |
| 14:22.23 | Cidan | Yeah, you CAN autoattack, but that's lame. :P |
| 14:23.06 | TS|Skrom | My only gripe with that game is that there was only two modes of play: Soloing (extremely hard) or Grouping with people who wanted to just rush through every damn mission without stopping to really enjoy it |
| 14:23.11 | TS|Skrom | because they'd done it 20 times |
| 14:23.26 | Cidan | Find an RP guild, :P |
| 14:23.56 | Industrial | yah well thats like playing hide and seek with everyone hiding in the same spot |
| 14:24.07 | Cidan | It's like I said, the RP in that game is unmatched |
| 14:24.19 | Cidan | Rogues have to disarm traps, paladins realy tank, etc. |
| 14:24.26 | Cidan | It's done really well IMO |
| 14:24.30 | Cidan | Feels like real D&D |
| 14:24.59 | Industrial | haven't done either |
| 14:25.37 | Cidan | They offer a free trial |
| 14:25.40 | Cidan | Try it out |
| 14:26.11 | Cidan | Oh yeah, and you actually have to dodge and roll away from enemy attacks, :P |
| 14:31.46 | |Jelly| | The children of the corn just realized I was awake. /shutter |
| 14:33.37 | Lopeppeppy | I'm telling you, |Jelly|. See them as breakfast sausages, you'll feel better. |
| 14:33.54 | Cidan | lol? |
| 14:34.07 | |Jelly| | Are you running with my A Modest Proposal reference the other day or did I miss something? lol |
| 14:34.38 | Lopeppeppy | There's a reason I have a cat, Cidan.... I take a dim view of rioting small-humans, and a broad view of how socially acceptable cannabalism ought to be.... |
| 14:35.04 | Lopeppeppy | If parents were more worried that their children would be *eaten* if they riot, they might not let them get away with so much, no? |
| 14:35.47 | Cidan | Ah, I can agree with that. |
| 14:35.51 | |Jelly| | Peppy for President '08! :P |
| 14:36.05 | grephead | Lopeppeppy: have you seen http://bash.org/?777977 |
| 14:36.22 | Lopeppeppy | I'm busy this year, |Jelly|. I need to perfect my barbeque sauce recipe before I take office, you know.... |
| 14:36.37 | |Jelly| | Well, hmm. |
| 14:36.43 | Lopeppeppy | I have, grephead, and I sooooooo approve. |
| 14:37.21 | |Jelly| | Has anyone ever heard of ODD (oppositional defiant disorder) ? |
| 14:37.53 | grephead | Isn't that the techincal term for 'adolescence'? |
| 14:38.08 | |Jelly| | Cause quote-unquote, her son has it. Personally, I think he just need the fear of the belt instilled in him. |
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| 14:38.47 | Lopeppeppy | "The causes of ODD are unknown, but many parents report that their child with ODD was more rigid and demanding than the child's siblings from an early age. Biological and environmental factors may have a role." |
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| 14:39.23 | |Jelly| | So Peppy's source agrees with me? |
| 14:39.29 | Lopeppeppy | That last line is the polite way of saying that parental style is a factor. Psychologists can make up a whackload of labels for bad behavior. |
| 14:40.21 | foxlit | qq, spanish nic |
| 14:40.22 | foxlit | https://www.nic.es/esnic/esn/comprobarDominioEPAction |
| 14:40.29 | |Jelly| | I've told her for years that all he needs is a good form of punishment. Something he can't say "no, go to hell" to. |
| 14:40.39 | foxlit | (and it posts, so I can't even communicate the joke I've now failed to attempt) |
| 14:40.44 | foxlit | In short, I can't register www.pi.es |
| 14:40.50 | Cairenn|afk | other than the one particular word that is used in that - I like that bash quote too |
| 14:40.56 | Cidan | Shrug, my mom would whack the shit out of me |
| 14:40.58 | TS|Skrom | 10|Jelly|: Cause quote-unquote, her son has it. Personally, I think he just need the fear of the belt instilled in him. 01 <-- For true |
| 14:41.01 | Cidan | foxlit: Why not? |
| 14:41.25 | Lopeppeppy | I just skip over them four-letter words, Cairenn. I have Auto Filter On installed for internet browsing. |
| 14:42.13 | Cairenn|afk | there's only one that bugs me - rhymes with runt |
| 14:42.30 | |Jelly| | It gets the point across though. |
| 14:42.34 | foxlit | "Dominio no permitido" |
| 14:42.49 | foxlit | Spanish for: "Thou shalt not make pi jokes with our TLD" |
| 14:43.29 | Cidan | nonsese |
| 14:43.30 | Cidan | sense |
| 14:43.31 | foxlit | I think they want at least three characters. |
| 14:43.41 | Cidan | No, that's not what it says |
| 14:43.44 | Cidan | just says not valid |
| 14:43.46 | Cidan | hold on |
| 14:44.15 | foxlit | It's sufficiently close to english to guess what the error message actually says. |
| 14:45.06 | Cidan | three letter minimum on spanish names, :/ |
| 14:45.09 | Cidan | also |
| 14:45.13 | Cidan | :P |
| 14:45.53 | foxlit | Which leaves my ie@pi.es email impossible |
| 14:50.55 | |Jelly| | She just apologized to her son...cause he made a mess. lol |
| 14:51.16 | Lopeppeppy | And this is why I have a cat. |
| 14:51.42 | |Jelly| | lol |
| 14:52.34 | |Jelly| | Now they're arguing over whether he can use her computer as opposed to...her using...her...computer. |
| 14:52.58 | Lopeppeppy | I admit freely that I enjoy my adult freedom, and would not make a great parent. So I'm not going to it, any more than I'd go skydiving with the Navy SEALS. It's just not in my skillset. |
| 14:53.19 | |Jelly| | This is kind of funny but sad at the same time. I just wanna yell "HEY KID! GO TO YOUR ROOM AND SIT ALONE!" |
| 14:53.23 | Cairenn|afk | |Jelly|: who are we talking about? |
| 14:53.37 | |Jelly| | My room mate and her son |
| 14:53.42 | Cairenn|afk | ah |
| 14:54.00 | Cairenn|afk | and he's how old? |
| 14:54.37 | |Jelly| | 10 |
| 14:54.40 | |Jelly| | or 9 |
| 14:54.53 | |Jelly| | Old enough to get beat without it being abuse. :P |
| 14:55.45 | Cairenn|afk | he's 10 and still bites people?! |
| 14:55.57 | |Jelly| | Umm. no? |
| 14:56.10 | |Jelly| | Did I say something I don't remember? rofl |
| 14:56.18 | Cairenn|afk | okay, misunderstood the beginning of the conversation I guess |
| 14:56.41 | foxlit | There's a .cat tld |
| 14:56.45 | |Jelly| | lol |
| 14:56.52 | |Jelly| | WTB coffee |
| 14:57.31 | |Jelly| | "But anyway, you always interrupt me so just be quiet. I'm just saying...be quiet." <-- what he just said. I giggled on the inside while thinking about how fast my mom would slap the shit out of me had I said that. |
| 14:58.07 | Cairenn|afk | (was gonna say, though - my daughter got over biting people by the time she was 2 - she decided to bite me one day and I bit her back - she got the point real fast) |
| 14:58.17 | |Jelly| | roflamo |
| 14:58.24 | Lopeppeppy | True that, Cairenn. I vividly remember learning not to bite... |
| 14:58.45 | Cairenn|afk | then I swatted her backside and told her not to do it again |
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| 14:58.50 | |Jelly| | orly, Peppy? *waits for story time* lol |
| 14:59.33 | Cidan | I can't speak for you all, but with me my mom would slap me *before* I did anything |
| 14:59.44 | Cidan | Just to teach me not to do anything wild or out of place. |
| 15:00.05 | Osagasu | That boy definitely needs a good belting. |
| 15:00.43 | Osagasu | My parents never used one on me, but they never HAD to. Hanging it in a public place and pointing at it was always enough to get me to stop. |
| 15:02.15 | Lopeppeppy | It's the same as yours, Cairenn. I bit an adult, he bit me back. Learned me right quick not to bite. |
| 15:02.21 | Cairenn | ah |
| 15:03.00 | Lopeppeppy | We had the bar of soap in the house that got used, and we had a few spankings. Mostly I just didn't act out because it wasn't allowed. *shrug* I dunno how better to explain it. |
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| 15:03.36 | Cairenn | I still think that the government(s) is going too far in their attempts to protect children - there is a world of difference between a child that is being beaten, and a spanking |
| 15:03.44 | Cidan | Yeppers |
| 15:03.50 | zenzelezz | is it wrong to find it interesting to hear peppy speak of spanking? |
| 15:04.11 | Cidan | I also think the government needs to stop lowering the damn bar for children and stop teaching them that "everyone is a winner" |
| 15:04.12 | Osagasu | The problem is that many parents aren't going far ENOUGH to raise their children properly. |
| 15:04.20 | Cidan | No, you win and lose, and if you're not good enough you flip burgers. |
| 15:04.29 | Cidan | But hey, that's just me. |
| 15:04.40 | Osagasu | So if the government stops stepping in, there will be NOTHING for those kids. |
| 15:06.59 | Cairenn | Lopeppeppy: same here on all counts, both when I was a kid and for my daughter |
| 15:09.24 | Cairenn | the ones that really drive me nuts are the ones that are screaming and acting up in a restaurant - "hi, Mom? Dad? if your kid doesn't know how to behave in a restaurant, take them out and sit in the car while the rest of the family (and everyone else in the restaurant) enjoys finishing their meal" |
| 15:11.21 | Osagasu | No, they don't bother me much. It's the parents of them that bother me. And parents of babies who take them into movies. |
| 15:11.22 | Osagasu | WTF? |
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| 15:11.28 | Osagasu | Hello, babysitter? Yes? |
| 15:12.15 | |Jelly| | My opinion? Before the age of 6, it's illegal to bring your child into public (that's not school, daycare, etc) and form the age of 6-16, anyone (WITHIN REASON) has the ability to slap the shit out of them for acting stupid. So many parents think their child being stupid is "oh so cute" |
| 15:13.01 | Lopeppeppy | "He's just acting out, it's okay" |
| 15:13.03 | Cairenn | that I don't agree with |
| 15:13.14 | |Jelly| | You're also a parent whereas I'm not. |
| 15:13.21 | Cairenn | no one has a right to raise a hand to my child |
| 15:13.40 | Cairenn | (not that that applies any more) |
| 15:13.43 | cog|work | except you? |
| 15:13.44 | |Jelly| | If "you're" not going to do it, someone has to imo. |
| 15:15.18 | Cairenn | cog|work: as you said, you came in at the end of the conversation, don't think you understand what has been said already or the degree of discipline that is being discussed |
| 15:15.29 | art3mis | "have you ever once just thought of sitting down with your children..... and beating them?" |
| 15:16.02 | Cairenn | art3mis: nope :p |
| 15:16.13 | |Jelly| | Well, on top of this "disorder" that he "has," he's in the phase where you tell him not to do something...and that's the biggest mistake you've made. |
| 15:16.41 | Cairenn | |Jelly|: oi, I feel for you, living with that |
| 15:17.06 | |Jelly| | But like I said, I'm also not a parent so I have some jaded views on child discipline. |
| 15:17.30 | cog|work | before i start making enemies... |
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| 15:17.38 | art3mis | cairenn: im sure someone else has ;) |
| 15:19.43 | art3mis | bender crack corn and he is great, take that you stupid corn! |
| 15:21.47 | Lopeppeppy | With feeling! |
| 15:21.58 | art3mis | feeewing ;) |
| 15:22.02 | Lopeppeppy | Anyone else need a Twinkie? 'cause I'm thinking that will make my day perfect, a twinkie for lunch. |
| 15:22.17 | |Jelly| | Twinkie for breakfast? |
| 15:22.33 | Lopeppeppy | No, I had a can of creamed corn for breakfast, |Jelly| |
| 15:23.04 | |Jelly| | Well, I haven't eaten breakfast so I guess that would be my breakfast...or perhaps brunch. |
| 15:23.09 | art3mis | do you bring your own creamed corn to the movies because they make thiers too crunchy? |
| 15:24.33 | zenzelezz | you're supposed to heat it before eating it |
| 15:24.53 | Kaydeethree | huh? cold pizza rocks for "breakfast" |
| 15:24.53 | *** topic/#wowi-lounge by Cairenn -> #wowi-lounge: Paste Code Here: http://wowi.pastey.net | 2.2.2 ToC: 20200 | RTFPN please | Biography lends to death a new terror. - Oscar Wilde |
| 15:25.02 | Lopeppeppy | zenzelezz, that's absolute horror. I suppose you heat up the beefaroni too, don'tcha? |
| 15:25.11 | |Jelly| | Cold pizza is where it's at. |
| 15:26.08 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: I have no idea what a beefaroni is, but I'm sure I don't eat it |
| 15:26.27 | |Jelly| | Heating up beefaroni is blasphemy imo. |
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| 15:26.35 | Kaydeethree | macaroni, but with beef and spaghetti sauce instead of cheese |
| 15:26.41 | |Jelly| | If I want botulism, no one should get in my fucking way. |
| 15:27.03 | Cairenn | zenzelezz: http://www.chefboyardee.com/tasteefood/index.jsp |
| 15:27.08 | zenzelezz | we don't do "mac and cheese" here, and I hate macaroni anyhow |
| 15:28.04 | Lopeppeppy | The whole Chef Boyardee line is made to be eaten cold, from the can, with a plastic spoon. |
| 15:28.25 | |Jelly| | spork |
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| 15:28.37 | |Jelly| | So you can stab at the mini-meatballs in some of the cans. |
| 15:28.59 | Kaydeethree | speaking of sporks... there's a titanium spork on thinkgeek now |
| 15:29.06 | |Jelly| | orly? |
| 15:29.13 | Cairenn | lol |
| 15:29.23 | Kaydeethree | http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/tools/8ace/ |
| 15:30.09 | kamdis | loll "spork of the gods" |
| 15:30.30 | Cairenn | lickable wallpaper?! ewwwww! |
| 15:30.35 | Cairenn | and on that note |
| 15:30.41 | |Jelly| | bai |
| 15:30.48 | Cairenn|afk | back in a while |
| 15:31.05 | Kaydeethree | go for the lemon-flavored wallpaper! |
| 15:31.10 | zenzelezz | hey now, licking can be a lot of fun |
| 15:31.26 | Cairenn|afk | yes it can, but not wallpaper :p |
| 15:31.37 | zenzelezz | I never said anything about wallpaper |
| 15:31.52 | zenzelezz | in fact I had something quite different in mind |
| 15:31.57 | |Jelly| | PERV! |
| 15:32.01 | zenzelezz | entirely |
| 15:32.23 | |Jelly| | Yeah. I'm having to resign myself to being one lately too. Can't seem to hide it anymore! :P |
| 15:34.52 | art3mis | the fact you wear a chin strap-on 90% of the time might be a tip off jelly ;) |
| 15:35.25 | |Jelly| | ...you're the one who made the Hello Kitty UI... |
| 15:35.35 | art3mis | that means im evil and sadistic |
| 15:35.39 | art3mis | not a perv |
| 15:36.06 | art3mis | i mean sure i AM a perv, but it's not because of HKUI ;) |
| 15:36.12 | kamdis | perv > evil and sadistic, imo |
| 15:36.17 | |Jelly| | lol |
| 15:36.53 | art3mis | and not only HKUI but a seasonal themed HKUI ;) |
| 15:37.03 | kamdis | seriously |
| 15:37.23 | art3mis | almost 1400 people have downlaoded it |
| 15:37.33 | art3mis | and im betting at least 4 still use it ;) |
| 15:37.40 | |Jelly| | Thinning out the population, eh? |
| 15:38.07 | art3mis | i would like nothing more than to be responsible for THAT kind of thinning ;) |
| 15:38.30 | art3mis | heheh eddie izzard talking about polpot |
| 15:38.31 | |Jelly| | Playing on your UI is like forced suicide imo. *waits for Thunder Child to chime in* |
| 15:38.39 | art3mis | you must have been VERY busy |
| 15:39.15 | art3mis | wake up, murder murder murder murder murder shower murder murder murder murder murder murder lunch murder murder murder murder murder tea |
| 15:39.28 | Cidan | ahahahah |
| 15:39.36 | Cidan | <3 that comic bit |
| 15:39.41 | art3mis | heh yeah |
| 15:39.42 | Cidan | Eddie is the best. |
| 15:40.06 | art3mis | cake or death |
| 15:40.12 | art3mis | that ones great too |
| 15:40.25 | Cidan | YOU THERE |
| 15:40.28 | Cidan | Cake or Death? |
| 15:40.33 | art3mis | i think he's coming ehre in december |
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| 15:40.37 | Cidan | Death! No wait, I mean cake! |
| 15:40.38 | Kaydeethree | ahahaha... http://tolkun-umaraliev.blogspot.com/2007/01/pragmatic-japanese-baby-mop_17.html |
| 15:40.38 | art3mis | cake pelase |
| 15:40.48 | art3mis | AHA! you said death! |
| 15:40.56 | Cidan | haha, you said deaaathhh |
| 15:41.00 | Cidan | But I meant cakeeee! |
| 15:41.06 | Cidan | ...Oh all right. |
| 15:41.08 | Shirik|Ecole | ? |
| 15:41.11 | kamdis | "We didn't expect such a rush" "So my choice is 'or death'?" |
| 15:41.18 | Cidan | rofl |
| 15:41.18 | Cidan | :d |
| 15:41.20 | Cidan | :D |
| 15:41.21 | kamdis | I'll have the chicken |
| 15:41.26 | art3mis | heh |
| 15:41.49 | Lopeppeppy | I want twinkies. |
| 15:41.55 | |Jelly| | Go get some. |
| 15:41.56 | art3mis | every ocne in a while when my wife and i are talking shell look at me and say with a straight flag "but do you have a flag?" |
| 15:42.10 | |Jelly| | You have to give into your impulses, Peppy. |
| 15:42.15 | Cidan | straight face, :P |
| 15:42.27 | Lopeppeppy | Lunch break in about 20 minutes, |Jelly|. I hate to leave pages half-finished, I never pick them up properly afterward. |
| 15:42.40 | art3mis | england whats that behind your back? nothing except a number of small countries, and the balklands? but we need those! for what? strategic sheep purposes. |
| 15:42.50 | art3mis | yes straight face ;P |
| 15:43.16 | |Jelly| | I stand by my statement. :P |
| 15:43.39 | art3mis | *arrives in india* I claim this land in the anme of the queen. hang on, there's 500 million of us here already. Do you have a flag? |
| 15:44.05 | kamdis | no flag, no country. those are the rules that i've jsut made up! |
| 15:44.43 | |Jelly| | Don't you hate it when children read over your shoulder? I think my face is going to explode in a fit of child-beating rage. |
| 15:44.44 | art3mis | oh and living in nyc i tend to see lots of TV's |
| 15:44.57 | art3mis | and i always wonder if they're action transvestites |
| 15:45.03 | kamdis | rofl |
| 15:45.18 | kamdis | maybe executive transvestites? |
| 15:45.23 | art3mis | hahah |
| 15:45.24 | Lopeppeppy | Start watching porn, |Jelly|. His mom might take exception and remove him. |
| 15:45.28 | |Jelly| | Don't worry Valaron, I have something here to take my aggression out on other than kitties. |
| 15:45.33 | |Jelly| | It was his sister. |
| 15:45.35 | |Jelly| | They're twins. : / |
| 15:45.37 | kamdis | Excellent call, Peppy. |
| 15:46.10 | art3mis | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEx5G-GOS1k <-- flags |
| 15:47.28 | art3mis | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNjcuZ-LiSY <-- cake or death |
| 15:48.13 | art3mis | hehe |
| 15:48.21 | art3mis | has anyone been watching the tudors? |
| 15:48.51 | art3mis | cuz i cant help but thinking eddies "church of england" everytime i see that |
| 15:49.26 | |Jelly| | WTB HBO again. My roomie and I are going to go on a "black op" one night and get cable. |
| 15:49.31 | Lopeppeppy | "The Tudors" ? Is that a tv series? |
| 15:50.00 | art3mis | yeah about henry the 8th |
| 15:50.10 | art3mis | on hbo |
| 15:50.25 | Lopeppeppy | I wish I wish I wish I could get HBO for less than an extra $25. |
| 15:50.37 | art3mis | you can! |
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| 15:51.02 | Lopeppeppy | Not with my cable company I can't. It's no longer standard, I have to buy some movies-package to get it. And I won't watch it often enough to justify $25. |
| 15:51.06 | art3mis | it's called news groups heh, ocne it's aired you go on the news groups download your favorite shows burn them and watch em |
| 15:51.11 | |Jelly| | I'm not entirely sure we can. We haven't been in the box yet and with the digital bullshit and *needing* a box these days. : / |
| 15:51.18 | art3mis | and pretend you've got HBO ;P |
| 15:51.35 | dreamss | wheh |
| 15:51.49 | art3mis | it's really an extra 25$? |
| 15:51.53 | |Jelly| | I'll be happy to have Discovery and History back. |
| 15:51.53 | art3mis | it's like 6.95 here |
| 15:52.02 | Lopeppeppy | Or the tech savvy to go through all that, art3mis. I have Best Buy, I'll just buy it each season. |
| 15:52.22 | art3mis | Lopeppeppy: but thats against the supporting the companies that make them ;) |
| 15:52.57 | art3mis | tis a good thing you're a comely wench or we'd throw you off this pirate ship right here! |
| 15:53.18 | art3mis | "sir i don't think women and seamen mix" "SHUT UP! we know what you think." |
| 15:53.22 | Lopeppeppy | For buying DVD's instead of surfing for them? |
| 15:53.40 | |Jelly| | *shutters at the thought of Best Buy* |
| 15:53.52 | |Jelly| | <-- former Geek Squad. /wrist |
| 15:53.54 | art3mis | Lopeppeppy: no for not pirating when you've got a perfect chance to |
| 15:54.06 | art3mis | best buy is possibly the crappiest store ever! |
| 15:54.16 | art3mis | i got someone fired from there |
| 15:54.41 | Lopeppeppy | It's all I've got, barring a WalMart that doesn't tend to carry "violent" or "adult oriented" television series DVDs. That is, anything HBO is right out. |
| 15:54.44 | art3mis | had my headphones on walked out, flashed my receipt and kept walking, guy snatches at my bag and receipt and tears the reciept |
| 15:54.54 | |Jelly| | I got quit-fired from there. |
| 15:55.14 | art3mis | talk to the manager who backs up what his employee did. i called head office, and got the manager fired. |
| 15:55.48 | |Jelly| | I loved when Corporate would call us. |
| 15:55.52 | dreamss | to bad there no feeds for HBO, u could point a 9ft antena and get wild feeds |
| 15:56.16 | dreamss | fox and other channels have them, they do shows days before they air |
| 15:56.25 | Valaron|Work | I should get Showtime, just for Dexter. |
| 15:56.37 | |Jelly| | So she's finally making her son his cat-5 cable...and this is almost as annoying as him whining about her not making it. lol |
| 15:57.29 | |Jelly| | By the way, get used to hearing me bitch until something *ahem* remedies this. :P |
| 15:57.42 | Kaydeethree | eek... I've got 14 gigs of free space left |
| 15:57.47 | |Jelly| | ZOMG! |
| 15:58.07 | dreamss | its like a diesease |
| 15:58.08 | Lopeppeppy | Go fill it! |
| 15:58.11 | |Jelly| | I think between my laptop, desktop and external drives, I don't even have 500GB. Sad, I know. |
| 15:58.42 | Kaydeethree | I think it's finally time I got off my ass and built a proper (and absolutely massive) raid5 |
| 15:58.50 | dreamss | my homemade dvr has like 5gb alone |
| 15:59.35 | dreamss | did you use hardware/windows raid5 or LVM? |
| 15:59.58 | Kaydeethree | right now I'm on an lvm. I'm going to buy a high-end 3ware card, most likely |
| 16:00.28 | dreamss | lvm is hella good,fun for trowaway stuff |
| 16:01.12 | Gnarfoz | 3ware might be high-end, but not really hi-performance anymore |
| 16:01.13 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 16:01.31 | Kaydeethree | it's a datastore, I don't need database-style throughput |
| 16:01.36 | Gnarfoz | :< |
| 16:01.45 | Gnarfoz | gogo areca pci-express sata2 raid6 cards :> |
| 16:01.53 | dreamss | hehe |
| 16:02.21 | |Jelly| | I just read that as "2wire might be high-end" and wanted to retch. |
| 16:02.44 | Kaydeethree | oh ye gods, I hate 2wire modems |
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| 16:02.51 | |Jelly| | WTB coffee or other means of waking up. Ideas? |
| 16:02.55 | Gnarfoz | is that dsl or cable? |
| 16:02.58 | Gnarfoz | don't know them here |
| 16:03.00 | Gnarfoz | (EU) |
| 16:03.11 | Kaydeethree | I've only seen dsl modems out of them |
| 16:03.15 | |Jelly| | Yeah. It's DSL |
| 16:03.38 | Gnarfoz | I dunno how you can even *make* a bad dsl modem? :D |
| 16:03.40 | dreamss | yeah i have a dsl modem thats 2wire |
| 16:03.43 | |Jelly| | Currently going through their modem/router combo. It's so leet, let me tell you. |
| 16:03.48 | dreamss | never failed |
| 16:03.59 | Kaydeethree | jelly; just say screw it and put it in bridge mode |
| 16:04.22 | |Jelly| | Recently, they've gotten a lot better. They used to be worthless piles of crap. |
| 16:04.36 | Gnarfoz | bridge mode for dsl? ISPs sure do things differently over there |
| 16:04.41 | |Jelly| | ...now, they're just paper weights as opposed to door stops. |
| 16:04.51 | dreamss | nah gna |
| 16:05.13 | Kaydeethree | dsl's pretty much universally pppoe in the states |
| 16:05.17 | Gnarfoz | hm |
| 16:05.21 | dreamss | pppoe modems are easy |
| 16:05.22 | Gnarfoz | like it is, here |
| 16:06.07 | dreamss | u guys using ddwtg or alternative firmware on lynksys routers |
| 16:06.12 | dreamss | seen tomato? |
| 16:06.25 | dreamss | http://www.polarcloud.com/img/ssbwm100.png |
| 16:09.25 | art3mis | yeah ive got tomato at work |
| 16:09.34 | Kaydeethree | oh wow |
| 16:09.39 | Kaydeethree | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2215496403&postId=22151783157&sid=1 |
| 16:10.18 | Kaydeethree | and the twinks just wet themselves |
| 16:10.18 | Gnarfoz | ~seen cryect |
| 16:10.22 | purl | cryect <n=fefsd@pool-72-95-251-159.pitbpa.east.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 37d 15h 38m 24s ago, saying: 'charon: it can't tell the difference between mobs of the same name (you don't get any unit id for them or anything) so he couldn't do that'. |
| 16:10.29 | Gnarfoz | hm, he's not around anymore, is he? |
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| 16:11.14 | Lopeppeppy | Kaydeethree, I love you! I've been waiting for this info to see if I should wait to level my babies. I totally will now. |
| 16:12.14 | art3mis | yay for quests being more useful! yay for quests not requiring groups! |
| 16:12.31 | Lopeppeppy | Yay for something in Dustwallow Marsh!!! |
| 16:12.36 | art3mis | hah yeah that too |
| 16:12.46 | art3mis | im gonna go back and do all those at 70 |
| 16:12.48 | art3mis | just cuz |
| 16:12.57 | art3mis | <-- loves quests |
| 16:13.36 | dreamss | 30-40 range is about stv |
| 16:13.37 | Lopeppeppy | I will too, art3mis. I love new content. |
| 16:13.38 | dreamss | heh |
| 16:13.49 | Lopeppeppy | I despised STV, this should be a nice swap-up. |
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| 16:14.45 | sag_ich_nicht | holy fucking shit nice one Kaydeethree |
| 16:15.13 | zenzelezz | "A good example of this change would be Stromgarde Keep in Arathi Highlands, which will become a solo friendly environment when patch 2.3 goes live. " \o/ |
| 16:15.32 | sag_ich_nicht | We've also added approximately 60 new quests in Dustwallow Marsh. |
| 16:15.35 | sag_ich_nicht | JESUS CHRIST |
| 16:15.42 | Oree | is there a continue command for Lua for loops? |
| 16:15.45 | Lopeppeppy | Seriously. I couldn't do Stromguard before I was 50. |
| 16:15.48 | Oree | next, or something |
| 16:16.01 | Lopeppeppy | Same with a bunch of the Arathi questlines. |
| 16:16.35 | cryogen | Oree: no sir |
| 16:17.05 | sag_ich_nicht | " |
| 16:17.05 | sag_ich_nicht | We also want to make running a leveling up dungeon more worth while. In addition to increasing quest experience for dungeon quests, we're also upgrading all pre-bc dungeon boss drops to blue quality items. Some examples are listed below: |
| 16:17.05 | sag_ich_nicht | " |
| 16:17.08 | Cidan | is it me or do some events fire very very slowly? |
| 16:17.14 | Cidan | if you're not in range of the person |
| 16:17.16 | sag_ich_nicht | seriously the twinks just shat themself |
| 16:17.16 | Oree | cryogen: crap |
| 16:17.24 | Cidan | ie: UNIT_AURA has like a 3 second delay. |
| 16:17.59 | Oree | hmm, guess I could move the block to a function, and call return.. |
| 16:18.05 | Oree | messy code, me no liek! |
| 16:18.20 | cryogen | sag_ich_nicht: new robues of arugal ftw |
| 16:18.31 | cryogen | robes too |
| 16:18.44 | sag_ich_nicht | cryogen: INDEED |
| 16:19.00 | Oree | Btw, thats silly - why not continue when you have break? |
| 16:19.19 | Oree | anyhoo, nm |
| 16:19.37 | cryogen | i can see the argument for it, continue can be abused somethign rotten, but still |
| 16:19.41 | cryogen | continue ftw |
| 16:20.22 | Cidan | wtf, why won't UNIT_SPELLCAST_START fire every time? |
| 16:22.02 | Polarina | Cidan: Because the spell isn't channeled? |
| 16:22.44 | cryogen | question is: how long till 2.3 |
| 16:22.46 | cryogen | give it now tbh |
| 16:23.33 | Polarina | Two weeks. |
| 16:25.12 | dreamss | 2 weeks from when they announce season 3 |
| 16:25.21 | Kaydeethree | if 2.2.3 didn't do bad things to the PTR servers over the weekend, I expect it'll be going live tomorrow and 2.3 will be on the ptr later this week |
| 16:25.29 | sag_ich_nicht | meeeeeh |
| 16:25.33 | sag_ich_nicht | i hate 2.3 |
| 16:25.40 | sag_ich_nicht | until they give ret paladins threat reduction |
| 16:25.57 | dreamss | dude my shaman getting so much love |
| 16:26.02 | dreamss | cant wait |
| 16:26.06 | sag_ich_nicht | seriously even fucking WARRIORS get threat reduction in 2.3 |
| 16:26.12 | sag_ich_nicht | THEY ALREADY HAVE 20% FFS |
| 16:26.20 | sag_ich_nicht | I HAVE 0 |
| 16:26.24 | dreamss | lol |
| 16:26.25 | zenzelezz | warriors get reduction? |
| 16:26.41 | dreamss | talk to dw shamans, they do shitload more treat than a pally\ |
| 16:26.50 | dreamss | unleashed rage ftl |
| 16:27.08 | sag_ich_nicht | no you don't. |
| 16:27.34 | sag_ich_nicht | [18:26] <zenzelezz> warriors get reduction? <--they always had fucking 20% reduction already in battle and berserk it's just not in the fucking tooltip |
| 16:27.45 | sag_ich_nicht | now they make it 30% in zerker |
| 16:27.48 | sag_ich_nicht | -.- |
| 16:28.21 | sag_ich_nicht | i have ZERO |
| 16:28.44 | zenzelezz | I don't consider the 0.8 threat multiplier a threat reduction |
| 16:28.47 | Kaso | 0% threat reduction is blizzard telling you to get back to healing noob |
| 16:28.55 | sag_ich_nicht | zenzelezz well I DO |
| 16:29.00 | Polarina | Warriors get thread reduction? Oh no! Now I have to tank the raid bosses (I'm a Hunter). |
| 16:29.00 | sag_ich_nicht | i have a 1 multiplier |
| 16:29.17 | sag_ich_nicht | warriors have 0.8 in battle and zerker |
| 16:29.20 | dreamss | range has a pasive 20% treat reduction |
| 16:29.23 | sag_ich_nicht | that's 20% threat reduction right there |
| 16:29.24 | dreamss | heh |
| 16:29.27 | sag_ich_nicht | so? |
| 16:29.30 | sag_ich_nicht | i am melee and have 0 |
| 16:29.46 | dreamss | thinking its funny warriors get 30% |
| 16:29.50 | dreamss | i guess u can allways bubble |
| 16:29.53 | sag_ich_nicht | and don't talk to me about BoS, everyone gets it |
| 16:29.53 | sag_ich_nicht | NO |
| 16:30.01 | sag_ich_nicht | because BUBBLE DOESN'T RESET THREAT |
| 16:30.05 | sag_ich_nicht | for the 100000000000000th time |
| 16:30.08 | Cidan | okay, wtf |
| 16:30.29 | Cidan | why isn't spellcast_start and stop firing for people in my party?!@#?!@# |
| 16:30.30 | dreamss | its a pally joke |
| 16:30.33 | dreamss | i get you sag |
| 16:30.33 | Lopeppeppy | With less emphasis, having a threat-dump for retribution would be nice. |
| 16:30.40 | sag_ich_nicht | dreamss PISS OFF |
| 16:30.46 | sag_ich_nicht | >_< |
| 16:30.55 | cirdan | heh |
| 16:30.57 | dreamss | sag u see sga 404 came out? |
| 16:31.02 | sag_ich_nicht | dreamss yeah |
| 16:31.06 | sag_ich_nicht | but i cba to grab it |
| 16:31.13 | sag_ich_nicht | lol itunes |
| 16:31.48 | dreamss | yeah treat is fucking gay for enhas shamans |
| 16:31.52 | dreamss | and we have 15% treat reduction from melee |
| 16:32.32 | dreamss | now im resto and pull agro with big heals -_- |
| 16:33.01 | sag_ich_nicht | yeah. i have 0. guess what, you don't do more aggro than you, unless you only played with shitty ret paladins. |
| 16:33.02 | sag_ich_nicht | :X |
| 16:33.30 | sag_ich_nicht | *than me |
| 16:33.32 | sag_ich_nicht | ffs! |
| 16:33.35 | dreamss | unleashed rage does a buff everytime a shaman crits |
| 16:33.41 | dreamss | group buff and it does treat |
| 16:33.56 | Cidan | Does anyone know if UNIT_SPELLCAST_STOP/START has a range limit? |
| 16:33.59 | sag_ich_nicht | great. so? you still have 15%. i don't. |
| 16:34.03 | dreamss | blizz had to lower it and i think its crap |
| 16:34.07 | sag_ich_nicht | Cidan: it has, but i don't know the range anymore |
| 16:34.09 | sag_ich_nicht | ask Shirik |
| 16:34.12 | sag_ich_nicht | he knows something about it |
| 16:34.13 | dreamss | 15% is on melee dmg only sag |
| 16:34.19 | Cidan | Damn it. |
| 16:34.19 | sag_ich_nicht | so? :P |
| 16:34.24 | Cidan | Well that somewhat explains the issue |
| 16:34.37 | sag_ich_nicht | you can increase the range tho |
| 16:34.44 | sag_ich_nicht | there are cvars for it |
| 16:34.56 | Cidan | but doesn't that increase the range for like, everything? |
| 16:35.24 | sag_ich_nicht | so? :X |
| 16:35.42 | sag_ich_nicht | i don't think you could complain about MORE data |
| 16:35.48 | sag_ich_nicht | at least not in this case |
| 16:36.00 | Cidan | it's so dumb, why are they limiting it? bah |
| 16:36.45 | sag_ich_nicht | because there was a changWHERE IS SARAH CONNOR |
| 16:36.52 | Cidan | ... |
| 16:36.54 | sag_ich_nicht | :P |
| 16:36.58 | sag_ich_nicht | (i dunno) |
| 16:37.18 | sag_ich_nicht | check oTweaks on files.wowace.com it modifies all those range related CVars |
| 16:41.25 | Cidan | Okay, now I'm standing right next to my party member, START fires... but none of the stop events fire! |
| 16:41.33 | Cidan | WRRRYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY |
| 16:41.39 | Cidan | *steamroller* |
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| 16:42.14 | sag_ich_nicht | uh |
| 16:42.24 | sag_ich_nicht | is he using instants? |
| 16:42.29 | Cidan | no |
| 16:42.33 | sag_ich_nicht | because i think only start fires for instants |
| 16:42.38 | Cidan | it's flash heal |
| 16:43.27 | sag_ich_nicht | try if it fires when he interrupts it |
| 16:43.43 | Cidan | Huh |
| 16:43.44 | Cidan | yes |
| 16:43.47 | Cidan | It fires like that |
| 16:44.37 | Cidan | and that signal is bound to stop, failed, interrupted, and succeeded |
| 16:45.28 | Cidan | but only stop is fired when a party member is interrupted |
| 16:45.45 | Cidan | when I stop casting half way, interrupted is fired |
| 16:45.49 | Cidan | what the hell... |
| 16:45.52 | sag_ich_nicht | shouldn't that be "UNIT_SPELLCAST_SUCCEEDED" |
| 16:45.52 | sag_ich_nicht | Category: Unit Info,Spell |
| 16:45.53 | sag_ich_nicht | "UNIT_SPELLCAST_SUCCEEDED" |
| 16:45.53 | sag_ich_nicht | Category: Unit Info,Spell |
| 16:46.04 | sag_ich_nicht | erm, sorry for the last 3 lines, bad copypaste |
| 16:46.10 | sag_ich_nicht | ? :X |
| 16:46.13 | Cidan | it's bound to all that too. |
| 16:47.28 | sag_ich_nicht | you DID open devtools and check if it actually fires or if you just don't catch it, RIGHT? |
| 16:47.38 | foxlit | !i Bloated Mud Snapper |
| 16:47.39 | ThraeBot | foxlit: Name: Bloated Mud Snapper; Rarity: Common (White); Type: Consumable; Requires L5. [[ http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=6645 ][ http://www.wowhead.com/?item=6645 ]] |
| 16:47.45 | Cidan | Yes, yes. |
| 16:47.50 | Cidan | I did. |
| 16:48.02 | sag_ich_nicht | well wtf. |
| 16:48.03 | sag_ich_nicht | hold. |
| 16:48.07 | foxlit | Cidan: unit spell casting events are a mess |
| 16:48.12 | Cidan | No kidding. |
| 16:48.17 | foxlit | Furthermore, they're a mess designed to acoomodate the default casting bar |
| 16:48.27 | Cidan | The old way pre 2.0 was better. |
| 16:48.31 | foxlit | Iirc, one of them has firing time padded to allow for a casting bar animation to take place |
| 16:48.50 | foxlit | Furthermore channeled spells generate _STOP in weird fashions |
| 16:49.11 | Cidan | Ugh, well, at least I know of a fix around it, but it's still a pain. |
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| 16:50.12 | sag_ich_nicht | uh |
| 16:50.29 | Cidan | sag_ich_nicht: before you speak, this is for party members |
| 16:50.34 | sag_ich_nicht | yeah. |
| 16:50.34 | Cidan | the signals fire for your self just fine |
| 16:50.36 | sag_ich_nicht | that's great. |
| 16:50.40 | sag_ich_nicht | i have a problem with devtools here. |
| 16:50.43 | Cidan | lol? |
| 16:51.03 | sag_ich_nicht | i can't uncheck the "all" checkbox. |
| 16:51.16 | sag_ich_nicht | nor any of the top checkboxes, just the most bottom checkboxes |
| 16:52.59 | Cidan | How do I get the target of a unit's spell being cast? |
| 16:53.06 | sag_ich_nicht | i'm even getting 2 UNIT_SPELLCAST_STOP |
| 16:53.21 | sag_ich_nicht | you can't, lol! |
| 16:53.29 | Cidan | ...lolwut? |
| 16:53.33 | Cidan | why the hell not? |
| 16:53.34 | sag_ich_nicht | you can only check his target and hope it's right |
| 16:53.42 | Cidan | God damn it Blizzard, wtf is wrong with you. |
| 16:53.47 | sag_ich_nicht | Cidan: well |
| 16:53.53 | sag_ich_nicht | they know it's fucking broken as fuck |
| 16:53.55 | sag_ich_nicht | 2.4 :X |
| 16:54.29 | cncfanatics | sigh @ blizz :p |
| 16:54.35 | cncfanatics | so much broken API :) |
| 16:55.11 | sag_ich_nicht | why the fuck |
| 16:55.33 | sag_ich_nicht | is EventTraceVisualFrameOptions not parented to EventTraceVisualFrame |
| 16:55.33 | sag_ich_nicht | -.- |
| 16:56.43 | sag_ich_nicht | someone tell me how to change the parent of a frame, quick and dirty |
| 16:57.09 | Cidan | setparent? |
| 16:57.25 | Cidan | frame:SetParent(frame); |
| 16:58.15 | sag_ich_nicht | that's great. |
| 16:58.19 | sag_ich_nicht | and where do i give it the parent? |
| 16:58.26 | sag_ich_nicht | oh wait |
| 16:58.28 | sag_ich_nicht | frame and then |
| 16:58.30 | sag_ich_nicht | i get it. |
| 16:58.30 | sag_ich_nicht | nvm |
| 16:58.33 | Cidan | :P |
| 16:59.11 | sag_ich_nicht | there, fixed. |
| 16:59.14 | sag_ich_nicht | annoying as hell |
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| 17:42.46 | Shirik | ~dict timescale |
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| 18:27.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | okay now i'm looking forward to 2.3 |
| 18:28.27 | Lopeppeppy | Me too. |
| 18:28.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | HotW is getting buffed |
| 18:28.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | /dance |
| 18:30.46 | cryogen | hotw? |
| 18:31.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | heart of the wild |
| 18:31.05 | cryogen | ah |
| 18:31.06 | cryogen | how so? |
| 18:31.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | being changed from 20% more str |
| 18:31.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | to 10% more AP |
| 18:31.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | in cat form |
| 18:31.18 | Saint-N | ummm |
| 18:31.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's so metal |
| 18:31.25 | cryogen | hows that a buff? |
| 18:31.25 | Saint-N | heart of the wild is a herb |
| 18:31.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's a talent |
| 18:31.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | also |
| 18:31.34 | Saint-N | lies! |
| 18:31.37 | cryogen | surely thats the same thing? |
| 18:31.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | cryogen |
| 18:31.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | we get AP from AGI also, and the majority of gear out there is +AP and not +Str |
| 18:32.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | and it's effected by might, battle shout, etc |
| 18:32.20 | cryogen | oh, +10% of your ap |
| 18:32.22 | cryogen | yeah makes sense |
| 18:32.40 | Lopeppeppy | Are you reading in the General Forums, Mr_Rabies2, or the PTR? |
| 18:32.41 | Thunder_Child | "Banish may no longer be cast on targets tapped by other players " thats a rather nice addition for 2.3 |
| 18:32.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | wowinsider, Lopeppeppy |
| 18:32.53 | cryogen | that will be even better for me, as a levelling druid :) |
| 18:33.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | <+[NewsBot]> WoW Insider: Patch 2.3: A buff for feral druids - http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/10/08/patch-2-3-a-buff-for-feral-druids/ |
| 18:38.45 | Thunder_Child | "(08:38:40) (|Jelly|) Playing on your UI is like forced suicide imo. *waits for Thunder Child to chime in*" if you were talking about HKUI /agreed |
| 18:39.00 | Saint-N | oddly enough we were ;) |
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| 18:40.25 | Thunder_Child | for some reason though i have this irational thought of taking your UI and...expanding on it |
| 18:40.41 | Saint-N | how so? |
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| 18:41.45 | Thunder_Child | many things...but one in particular comes to mind. using skinner you can make a transparient click-through square covering the entire screen with the HK face on it |
| 18:42.00 | Thunder_Child | like...20-30% visible |
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| 18:45.22 | Lopeppeppy | Sick, warped and twisted. |
| 18:45.23 | Thunder_Child | "Arcane Shot (Rank 6+) will now dispel 1 Magic effect in addition to damage" i think everyone is getting some way to dispell |
| 18:45.28 | Thunder_Child | yes, yes i am |
| 18:45.38 | Lopeppeppy | It's the PvP thing, Thunder_Child. |
| 18:45.51 | Thunder_Child | eh, works either way |
| 18:45.59 | Thunder_Child | what pvp Lopeppeppy? |
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| 18:51.18 | |Jelly| | It's an OP Huntard thing. |
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| 18:52.48 | Saint-N | i'll stop caring about other classes as soon as shadow priests get a nice AOE, combat res, self res and some form of CC that works on humanoids. |
| 18:53.33 | zenzelezz | people need to stop thinking their class should be able to do everything |
| 18:55.13 | Saint-N | heh |
| 18:55.23 | Saint-N | my complaints are mainly aginst pvp buffing of other classes ;) |
| 18:58.39 | dreamss | BAH this coolsat 6k is pissin me off |
| 18:58.55 | dreamss | when u open the chan guide it freezes (randomly) |
| 18:59.35 | Saint-N | to me it doesnt make sense to give people abilitie3s that are so unbalanced, that you can actually single shot players, most of the abilities were devised for player vs monster and bosses have WAY more hp than players, therefore it seems reasonable to town down the damage dealt to players as a scaled percentage. |
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| 19:05.49 | Lopeppeppy | If I haven't said it before, I'm going to kill the lady who made the website I'm upgrading. She thinks it's cute to not have anything capitalized, at all. |
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| 19:16.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Heh. I want invisible GM powers. |
| 19:16.57 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2200230322&sid=1&pageNo=15#292 |
| 19:18.29 | Lopeppeppy | All I want is an answer to the question right below Tigerclaw's post.... I want it back so badly. |
| 19:20.37 | Saint-N | You are missing the point entirely. No one cares that you are working to improve performance while using the new sound engine. We want hardware sound back, end of story. The performance loss is not the primary concern here, its the lower sound quality caused by not being able to use our hardware controls. |
| 19:20.45 | Saint-N | heh thats my fav response so far |
| 19:21.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Meh. Sound is the same as it was before for me. Which is to say, perfect. |
| 19:21.37 | Lopeppeppy | Lowered sound quality for not just WoW, but Vent as well. It's highly annoying for those of us who see the difference. |
| 19:21.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Then again, I also run under wine, so... different ballgame entirely |
| 19:21.41 | Saint-N | i "guess" my sound is working |
| 19:21.47 | Saint-N | i play with all sound disabled |
| 19:21.56 | ScytheBlade1 | I do have one general question though |
| 19:22.02 | Saint-N | cuz i like to listen to music not "i cant cast that yet" over and over |
| 19:22.06 | ScytheBlade1 | If Vista disallows hardware sound anyways, why weren't people complaining earlier? |
| 19:22.49 | nevcairiel | vista changed the way the sound system works, it doesnt completly block hardware sounds |
| 19:22.51 | nevcairiel | see OpenAL |
| 19:22.52 | nevcairiel | for example |
| 19:23.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Sec as I find this post |
| 19:23.39 | nevcairiel | DirectSound3D is software only, but OpenAL can still use hardware sound |
| 19:24.31 | ScytheBlade1 | It's really agitating knowing that you have a blog post from one of the windows audio team guys in your RSS reader |
| 19:24.33 | ScytheBlade1 | But you can't find it |
| 19:24.50 | nevcairiel | since OpenAL is on all platforms .. i wonder why devs dont switch to it altogether |
| 19:25.24 | wereHamster | slouken's response: 'coz |
| 19:25.41 | nevcairiel | "coz we like to screw everyones sound" |
| 19:25.43 | nevcairiel | ? |
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| 19:26.04 | nevcairiel | sound in 2.2 is a mess, and everyone knows it |
| 19:26.18 | Kaydeethree | I'd say "get on the PTR" but they're offline atm |
| 19:26.32 | ScytheBlade1 | It's not for me. |
| 19:26.42 | nevcairiel | was that improved there? |
| 19:26.44 | wereHamster | is sound better there? |
| 19:26.55 | Kaydeethree | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2215842442&sid=1 |
| 19:27.08 | nevcairiel | 2.2.3 .. meh .. my ptr is still on 2.2.2 :P |
| 19:27.48 | ScytheBlade1 | http://blogs.msdn.com/larryosterman/archive/2005/09/19/471346.aspx |
| 19:27.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Bam, there it is |
| 19:28.07 | wereHamster | I want to hear from a user, not a blue post |
| 19:28.13 | ScytheBlade1 | "The first (and biggest) change we made was to move the entire audio stack out of the kernel and into user mode." |
| 19:28.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Not seeing how OpenAL can get around that, personally |
| 19:29.26 | nevcairiel | i suppose a device driver can still encapsulate OpenAL support, and channel it into hardware |
| 19:29.49 | nevcairiel | The native OpenAL devices on Sound Blaster Audigy and Sound Blaster X-Fi™ soundcards do not use DirectSound or DirectSound 3D and so they will be completely unaffected. For games that use these devices, nothing will change. The game will continue to enjoy hardware based 3D audio and effects. |
| 19:29.52 | nevcairiel | from the OpenAL page |
| 19:30.18 | ScytheBlade1 | link? |
| 19:30.25 | nevcairiel | http://www.openal.org/openal_vista.html |
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| 19:33.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Okay, so it is using it's own device drivers to accomplish that |
| 19:33.17 | TC-Holding | http://www.boingboing.net/2007/10/08/rentatank.html why? |
| 19:33.48 | Lopeppeppy | Someone's going to rent one to crash the prom? Anyone else seen Heathers? |
| 19:35.11 | dreamss | Crush a Car - for ONLY £375.00 |
| 19:35.28 | dreamss | http://www.tanks-alot.co.uk/crush_a_car.htm |
| 19:35.29 | dreamss | heh |
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| 19:36.25 | Saint-N | fuck me softly with a chainsaw veronica. |
| 19:36.26 | Thrae | I could buy a working car for that amount and just drive it to the dump |
| 19:36.34 | Lopeppeppy | Pretty much, Saint-N |
| 19:37.17 | Saint-N | i love that movie |
| 19:37.21 | Saint-N | it's got some great lines |
| 19:37.40 | Lopeppeppy | The draino was priceless. |
| 19:38.02 | Saint-N | ultra hull cleaner ;P aka big blue ;) |
| 19:38.14 | Lopeppeppy | She still drank it. |
| 19:38.25 | Saint-N | my fav was the questionaire |
| 19:38.53 | Saint-N | there are no stupid questions... that has to be the stupidest question ive ever heard. |
| 19:39.18 | Saint-N | oh and the cops |
| 19:39.40 | Saint-N | "captain i think this explains it" *holds up mineral water* "oh my god! they were fags!" |
| 19:42.36 | Lopeppeppy | Yup. Crystal water says it all. |
| 19:44.58 | cncfanatics | how would one make a secure actionbutton cast on the player on right clicks ? setting unit2 doesn't seem to work |
| 19:46.44 | Tem | cncfanatics, setting unit2 is the way |
| 19:46.53 | cncfanatics | doesn't work :s |
| 19:47.05 | cncfanatics | is that modified ? I guess it is ? |
| 19:49.25 | cladhaire | seal of command is nice. |
| 19:50.35 | Lopeppeppy | It is, cladhaire. |
| 19:51.39 | cncfanatics | Tem, doesn't work for some reason |
| 19:51.48 | cncfanatics | I'm setting the modifier attribute unit2 to player |
| 19:51.50 | cncfanatics | but doesn't change a thing |
| 19:52.06 | Tem | modifier attribute? |
| 19:52.11 | Tem | no such thing imo |
| 19:52.23 | cncfanatics | modified* |
| 19:52.37 | cncfanatics | setting the modified attribute unit to player works, but for all clicks then, not only right |
| 19:54.08 | cncfanatics | I'm setting *unit2-Unshifted-none to player, thats correct right ? |
| 19:54.13 | cncfanatics | (Unshifted-none being the current state) |
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| 20:06.43 | Tem | the -none part looks fishy to me |
| 20:07.18 | Tem | but I don't remember the exact syntax on that stuff either |
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| 20:07.32 | Tem | ask cog |
| 20:07.34 | cog|work | Kitteh! http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d140/vileprophet/cat_large.jpg |
| 20:07.40 | Tem | he's more familliar with it than me |
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| 20:10.47 | wereHamster | poor kitten :( |
| 20:14.00 | cncfanatics | Tem, thats my state |
| 20:14.03 | cncfanatics | cog|work |
| 20:14.05 | cncfanatics | I just did some testing |
| 20:14.11 | cncfanatics | on a button without states, for easyness |
| 20:14.23 | cncfanatics | if I set the unit attribute on a button to player, it will correctly cast on the player on all clicks |
| 20:14.34 | cncfanatics | if I set the unit2 attribute on a button to player it acts as if it wasn't there |
| 20:14.39 | cncfanatics | any pointers as to what I might have done wrong ? |
| 20:14.44 | cog|work | unit* |
| 20:14.57 | cncfanatics | Tem, the -none part refers to the target, -none means no target in that case |
| 20:15.16 | cncfanatics | cog|work, I have to set both unit* & unit2 ? |
| 20:15.20 | cog|work | if you're giving options, you need to use * |
| 20:15.32 | cog|work | i think... |
| 20:15.35 | cncfanatics | lemme try |
| 20:15.59 | cncfanatics | ok, cleared all attributes, fresh start |
| 20:16.02 | cog|work | oh wait |
| 20:16.07 | ZealotOnAStick | Can anyone suggest what I might do or run or use to try to determine whether or not a trinket with a proc effect is affecting my dot values on spells cast before the proc effect? |
| 20:16.09 | cog|work | i think i misunderstood your question |
| 20:16.22 | cog|work | are you saying that right-clicking on a unit2 = "player" doesn't work? |
| 20:16.39 | cncfanatics | cog|work, yea |
| 20:16.47 | cncfanatics | thats exactly what I'm saying :p |
| 20:17.01 | cncfanatics | any place to register right clicks or so ? figured that might be the problem, though I doubt it |
| 20:17.11 | cncfanatics | (I disabled my state code, in case it was that, working without states atm) |
| 20:17.15 | cog|work | might be |
| 20:17.31 | cncfanatics | I disabled em, so its not that :) |
| 20:18.07 | cncfanatics | RegisterForClicks("AnyUp"); is used, thats correct right ? |
| 20:18.08 | cog|work | your button is being registered for all clicks though? |
| 20:18.11 | cog|work | yep |
| 20:18.26 | cncfanatics | I can't see what I'm doing wrong :/ |
| 20:18.36 | Shirik | What's "procreation" ? |
| 20:18.59 | bleeter | well, there are these birds and these bees |
| 20:19.03 | Shirik | ... |
| 20:19.04 | Shirik | ok |
| 20:19.05 | bleeter | and like... a cabbage and a stork |
| 20:19.07 | Shirik | let's make it simpler |
| 20:19.08 | bleeter | and |
| 20:19.10 | cncfanatics | cog|work, could it be that its a bug in the frameXML code ? |
| 20:19.13 | cog|work | cncfanatics: barring anything obvious that you're not telling me, it sounds like a bug |
| 20:19.15 | Shirik | Life expectancy: 150 years. Procreation: 1 year. |
| 20:19.18 | Shirik | What's 1 year? |
| 20:19.37 | cncfanatics | cog|work, anything I didn't tell you yet on my side that might cause it ? |
| 20:19.41 | cog|work | cncfanatics: come up with a simple test case and post it in one of the stickies |
| 20:19.47 | bleeter | the bees and the stork do something... I think. I dunno, my parents never told me the full story. |
| 20:19.52 | cncfanatics | ok, time to make some code |
| 20:20.01 | Shirik | ... |
| 20:20.04 | bleeter | 150th of 150 years |
| 20:20.20 | Shirik | I hate you bleeter |
| 20:20.26 | bleeter | 'ask a silly question...' |
| 20:20.41 | Shirik | I just want to know what it means T_T |
| 20:21.10 | bleeter | rooting, shagging, dipping the wick, horizontal pole dancing... erm |
| 20:21.37 | Shirik | it takes them 1 year to... "dip the wick"? |
| 20:21.42 | Shirik | that's.... a bit absurd |
| 20:22.32 | bleeter | well, strictly, iirc, the whole procedure for generating children/a child, not the initial act |
| 20:23.03 | bleeter | humans -> 9 months |
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| 20:23.09 | Shirik | okok |
| 20:23.10 | bleeter | tho prolly strictly speaking human females |
| 20:23.10 | Shirik | I got it |
| 20:23.12 | Shirik | thanks |
| 20:24.01 | dreamss | http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/10/08/is-brewfest-easier-for-alliance/ |
| 20:24.04 | dreamss | LOLsors |
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| 20:28.17 | cncfanatics | hmmm, cog|work, my test code runs correctly, unit2 = player makes it cast on the player correctly |
| 20:28.25 | cncfanatics | now why does the code in flexbar not do the same hmm |
| 20:29.00 | cog|work | cncfanatics: if you're using statebuttons, you need a statebutton2 attribute... |
| 20:29.14 | cncfanatics | I do ? thats a pain |
| 20:29.15 | cog|work | and use different state buttons for the right clicks |
| 20:29.23 | cncfanatics | can't I declare statebutton* ? |
| 20:29.36 | cog|work | yes, but then it'll appear as the same click to the button |
| 20:30.43 | cncfanatics | which is not what I want in this case is it ? |
| 20:30.55 | Saint-N | cnc did you add stance bar yet? |
| 20:31.49 | cncfanatics | Saint-N, not yet no, first fixing that kind of bugs :) |
| 20:31.50 | cog|work | cncfanatics: correct. your right/left clicks are being "eaten" by the statebutton which just converts them into whatever you told it to be. |
| 20:32.05 | cncfanatics | cog|work, what would I set statebutton2 to ? the same as statebutton ? |
| 20:32.14 | cog|work | ... |
| 20:32.18 | cncfanatics | oh nvm |
| 20:32.19 | cncfanatics | a 2 in front |
| 20:32.20 | cncfanatics | stupid me |
| 20:32.24 | cog|work | wait |
| 20:32.26 | cog|work | hrm |
| 20:32.33 | cog|work | ignore that |
| 20:32.39 | cncfanatics | the same or not then ? :p |
| 20:32.53 | cog|work | i was wrong about the statebutton interference i think |
| 20:33.07 | cog|work | as long as you only have one statebutton attribute it should work for any type of click... |
| 20:33.13 | cog|work | i'm just not sure now |
| 20:33.20 | cog|work | and can't really do any testing to help :( |
| 20:33.23 | cncfanatics | I'll try ? |
| 20:33.52 | cncfanatics | actualy, statebutton is just suffixes ain't it ? shouldnt matter I think, but i'll try anyway I guess |
| 20:34.04 | cog|work | no it shouldn't matter |
| 20:34.17 | cog|work | well hrm... maybe it does |
| 20:34.25 | cog|work | the statebuttons should be different |
| 20:34.47 | cncfanatics | they're autogenerated, gimme a sec to add a statebutton2 with a 2 in front everywhere |
| 20:34.50 | cog|work | but the action (item, action, macro, etc.) should be the same for both |
| 20:35.28 | Saint-N | cog yer version supports stance bar right? |
| 20:35.39 | cog|work | Saint-N: hmm? |
| 20:35.45 | Saint-N | cogsbar |
| 20:35.51 | cncfanatics | didn't change a thing, lets see |
| 20:35.52 | cog|work | RTFM :P |
| 20:35.55 | cog|work | Saint-N: yes |
| 20:36.04 | Saint-N | i need something that has the button flexibility to arrange stuff but supports stance out of the box |
| 20:36.11 | Saint-N | ;) |
| 20:36.12 | Saint-N | thanks |
| 20:36.21 | cog|work | Saint-N: /cogsbar create 1x1 stance |
| 20:36.31 | cog|work | makes a button that remaps on stance change |
| 20:37.03 | Saint-N | no i mean shows the stance bar contents |
| 20:37.28 | cog|work | huh? |
| 20:37.37 | cog|work | read the manual imo |
| 20:37.42 | Saint-N | ya know how bt has the "stance" bar and blizz has a stance bar? |
| 20:37.51 | Saint-N | that auto puts stances in there? |
| 20:38.02 | Saint-N | stances auras etc |
| 20:39.01 | cncfanatics | don't think any but BT have that tbh |
| 20:39.06 | cncfanatics | hoping to write a module for that for flexbar soon |
| 20:39.14 | cncfanatics | thought u could make ur own manualy easy enough |
| 20:39.21 | cog|work | You've got a misconception about what cogsbar is. CogsBar doesn't do anything automatically. You create bars and they consume action ids from 1-120 based on their numbers of buttons and the number of different states |
| 20:39.41 | cog|work | there's no attempt to match up the range of action slots between the default UI and the cogsbar buttons |
| 20:40.12 | cog|work | The only reason you would need something like that is if you play on more than one computer and can't install addons on one of them |
| 20:40.12 | Thunder_Child | ~scream |
| 20:40.13 | purl | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh!!! |
| 20:41.03 | cncfanatics | hmmm cog|work, I've set statebutton2 and now right click stopped working completely |
| 20:41.29 | cncfanatics | i'll print u out my statebutton |
| 20:41.35 | cog|work | cncfanatics: no point |
| 20:41.41 | cog|work | i can't really look at it right now |
| 20:41.45 | cncfanatics | ok, damn |
| 20:41.48 | cncfanatics | thanks for the help anyway |
| 20:41.50 | cncfanatics | I'll try to figure |
| 20:41.54 | cog|work | i still say what I thought earlier... it's probably not a statebutton issue |
| 20:41.58 | cog|work | though it may be... |
| 20:42.37 | cncfanatics | any pointers on what else it might be ? I'm totaly lost |
| 20:42.56 | cog|work | Saint-N: you need to drop any preconceived notions about how bars work in WoW and various mods in order to be effective with CogsBar |
| 20:43.24 | Saint-N | yeah i sorta guessed that cog behaved like fb2 |
| 20:43.33 | Saint-N | in that you didnt include any blizz bars |
| 20:43.36 | Saint-N | grumble |
| 20:43.38 | cncfanatics | its fb2 light kinda |
| 20:43.44 | cncfanatics | without all the extra candy I added |
| 20:43.54 | cog|work | Saint-N: why grumble? it kind of defeats the purpose to do something like that |
| 20:44.15 | cog|work | you want a bar that behaves like the stance bar? /cogsbar create 12x1 stance |
| 20:44.24 | cncfanatics | Saint-N, why not create bar with all ur stances in them ? |
| 20:44.46 | cog|work | no it doesn't map to the same action range, but that's entirely immaterial except in the situation i mentioned earlier |
| 20:44.52 | Saint-N | mostly because im lazy |
| 20:45.26 | Saint-N | oh that reminds me, the /fb hideblizz and /fb blizz show=false don't save over reload/restart |
| 20:46.05 | cncfanatics | Saint-N, lemme check, pretty sure it does |
| 20:46.13 | Saint-N | oh wait |
| 20:46.25 | Saint-N | was the save over done AFTER the /fb hideblizz ? |
| 20:46.32 | cncfanatics | probably not |
| 20:46.36 | Saint-N | hrm |
| 20:46.38 | cncfanatics | can't remember such details :p |
| 20:46.47 | Saint-N | hehe i cant remember if i've updated recently ;) |
| 20:47.51 | cncfanatics | Saint-N, seems to save between sessions correctly for me, I just did /fb blizz show=true, reloaded: it was shown, then /fb blizz show=false, reloaded: it was hidden |
| 20:48.24 | Saint-N | hrm ill update when i get home to double check |
| 20:49.52 | cncfanatics | Saint-N, if nobody else does I'll probably write a module to create a stancebar soonish |
| 20:52.33 | cncfanatics | well, I'll be logging out |
| 20:52.44 | cncfanatics | hope I can track that clicks being eaten issue tomorrow |
| 21:09.26 | Maldivia | *grumble* |
| 21:10.01 | Cidan | question |
| 21:10.02 | Cidan | in lua |
| 21:10.11 | Cidan | if I do table[somval] = true |
| 21:10.19 | Cidan | and then I do table[someval] = nil; |
| 21:10.32 | Cidan | is table[someval] still refered to? |
| 21:10.45 | Cidan | rather, is "someval" |
| 21:10.53 | Maldivia | then table[someval] will return nil |
| 21:11.07 | foxlit | I don't think nils are stored |
| 21:11.09 | Cidan | yes but is "someval" still referenced? |
| 21:11.15 | Cidan | Hmm |
| 21:11.18 | Maldivia | no |
| 21:11.25 | Cidan | Okay, perfect then. Thanks. |
| 21:11.48 | foxlit | wonder how lua implements hashtables |
| 21:11.51 | Kaso | a table can be considered to be full of an infinte number of nil entries for each key |
| 21:11.54 | Maldivia | setting a table entry to nil is the same as removing it (unless you have some metatable that does otherwise) |
| 21:12.10 | Kaso | set it back to nil it return to how it was before (non existant) |
| 21:15.09 | Kaso | in reality it'll prob hang around for a few min till gc gets around to it, but that is unimportant |
| 21:15.52 | Shirik|AFK | Kaso: I don't like that definition :P |
| 21:16.09 | Shirik|AFK | A table can be considered to be full of an infinite number of nils, yes |
| 21:16.12 | Shirik|AFK | not for each key |
| 21:16.19 | Shirik|AFK | each key can only have a maximum of one nil :) |
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| 21:16.38 | Kaso | well you know what i meant |
| 21:16.56 | Kaso | infinte number of nil entries[COMMA] for each key |
| 21:17.18 | Shirik|AFK | I would put a "one" in there also :) |
| 21:17.29 | Shirik|AFK | "infinite number of nil entries, one for each key" |
| 21:17.37 | Kaso | perhaps yah |
| 21:17.50 | Kaso | i r good grammer |
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| 21:22.11 | Oree | in javascript, you can do this: var someVal = function(){ return x; }(); |
| 21:22.26 | Furl | Nuh uh! |
| 21:22.47 | Oree | not possible on lua? ;( |
| 21:23.04 | Furl | In the bible, you can rite with crayon. |
| 21:23.08 | Shirik|AFK | someVal = function() return x; end |
| 21:23.09 | Kaso | val = function() return x end |
| 21:23.15 | Shirik|AFK | victory! |
| 21:23.15 | Kaso | grr! |
| 21:23.25 | Oree | well, is the function, not x |
| 21:23.28 | Oree | val |
| 21:23.36 | Kaso | yes |
| 21:23.45 | Kaso | in lua functions are variables like anything else |
| 21:23.49 | Shirik|AFK | val() == x |
| 21:23.57 | Shirik|AFK | type(val) == 'function' |
| 21:23.59 | Kaso | you can pass em, index by em, whatever you want |
| 21:24.03 | Shirik|AFK | type(val()) == type(x) |
| 21:24.35 | Furl | Shirik don't outdo yourself. |
| 21:24.37 | Shirik|AFK | >>> x = 4; someVal = function() return x; end print(x, type(someVal), type(someVal())) |
| 21:24.37 | Cide | Shirik|AFK: 4, "function", "number" |
| 21:24.37 | Oree | think you miss understood me |
| 21:25.55 | Kaso | what did you mean then? |
| 21:26.27 | Shirik|AFK | >>> a = function() print("Hello world!") end() |
| 21:26.28 | Cide | Shirik|AFK: [string "a = function() print("Hello world!") end()"]:1: unexpected symbol near ')' |
| 21:26.30 | Shirik|AFK | bleh |
| 21:26.35 | Shirik|AFK | I didn't think you could do that |
| 21:26.45 | Saint-N | s/world/Kitty/g |
| 21:26.48 | Oree | mm, no real use, but its neat |
| 21:26.53 | Kaso | you could put the whole thing in brackets couldnt you? |
| 21:27.00 | Shirik|AFK | I guess |
| 21:27.02 | Kaso | >>> (a = function() print("Hello world!") end)() |
| 21:27.02 | Cide | Kaso: [string "(a = function() print("Hello world!") end)()"]:1: ')' expected near '=' |
| 21:27.06 | Shirik|AFK | nah |
| 21:27.06 | Kaso | oh nope :< |
| 21:27.09 | Shirik|AFK | has to be after the = |
| 21:27.14 | Kaso | ah ofc it does |
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| 21:27.19 | Shirik|AFK | >>> a = (function() print"Hello world!" end)() |
| 21:27.19 | Cide | Shirik|AFK: "Hello world!" |
| 21:27.21 | Shirik|AFK | yeh |
| 21:27.28 | Oree | sweet, thx :) |
| 21:27.30 | Oree | <3 |
| 21:27.30 | Shirik|AFK | but! |
| 21:27.33 | Shirik|AFK | that's not what you wanted |
| 21:27.41 | Shirik|AFK | a is not a function there |
| 21:27.47 | Shirik|AFK | a is the return value of the function |
| 21:27.50 | Kaso | yah what did you want? im a little confused now |
| 21:28.05 | Oree | yeah, thats what I wanted |
| 21:28.10 | Shirik|AFK | uh |
| 21:28.17 | Shirik|AFK | I don't see a very good use for that... but ok.... |
| 21:28.18 | Kaso | why not just do val = x then? |
| 21:28.23 | Kaso | the function seems a little superflous |
| 21:28.32 | Shirik|AFK | In fact, it's a waste of memory |
| 21:28.37 | Shirik|AFK | generating a closure for no reason |
| 21:28.52 | Oree | well, its not a static X |
| 21:28.59 | Furl | What if you WANT to waste memory? |
| 21:29.01 | Furl | >.> |
| 21:29.07 | Shirik|AFK | Then it fits is job very well |
| 21:29.10 | Cairenn | mmmmmmm, turkey! |
| 21:29.20 | Thunder_Child | it's not thanksgiving yet |
| 21:29.24 | Cairenn | it is in Canada |
| 21:29.30 | Thunder_Child | right |
| 21:29.34 | Shirik|AFK | wtb canadian holidays |
| 21:29.34 | Furl | What about appending to an array within an infinite loop? |
| 21:29.39 | Kaso | in what way is it non-static that causes a problem? |
| 21:29.48 | Shirik|AFK | better yet |
| 21:29.59 | Shirik|AFK | how do you define "non-static" in a non-object-oriented context |
| 21:30.09 | Furl | You... don't? |
| 21:30.34 | foxlit | Makes no sense. |
| 21:30.39 | Kaso | i think theres some issues in communication ehre |
| 21:30.43 | Shirik|AFK | I agree |
| 21:30.50 | foxlit | static = shared between instances of the same class |
| 21:31.33 | Shirik|AFK | Most of my lab class thinks that static = what you put in the method declaration when the compiler yells at you |
| 21:31.41 | Shirik|AFK | and for the most part they're right >< |
| 21:31.51 | Shirik|AFK | Except when they get into more complex examples it won't be that easy |
| 21:32.08 | MoonWolf | they will learn |
| 21:32.09 | MoonWolf | or fail |
| 21:32.18 | Cidan | so |
| 21:32.19 | Cidan | shirik |
| 21:32.23 | Shirik|AFK | no |
| 21:32.36 | Cidan | good news, fixed a nice bug with the children thing for good |
| 21:32.43 | zenzelezz | you killed them |
| 21:32.46 | Shirik|AFK | other good news: |
| 21:32.50 | Shirik|AFK | That was what you wrote |
| 21:32.52 | Shirik|AFK | not my bug ^^ |
| 21:32.59 | Thunder_Child | lol "Must be available to work some wee-ends." |
| 21:33.09 | Cidan | bad news, it's going to take up a bit more memory at startup |
| 21:33.10 | Cidan | :/ |
| 21:33.16 | Shirik|AFK | oh well |
| 21:33.36 | *** part/#wowi-lounge cog|work (n=chatzill@intra.kistlerwine.com) |
| 21:33.40 | Cidan | I have to keep a hashtable to keep track of what is released and what isn't so we don't step over everything |
| 21:33.51 | Cidan | then clear it when the last nest is called. |
| 21:37.56 | Furl | == ~= = ~= ~= ~= != |
| 21:38.13 | Shirik|AFK | ow |
| 21:38.25 | Shirik|AFK | and yet for some reason |
| 21:38.30 | Shirik|AFK | I partially understood that |
| 21:38.36 | Shirik|AFK | which is actually rather sad |
| 21:38.39 | foxlit | "if 1 is true and 0 is false, the validity of this statement is 0" |
| 21:39.00 | Furl | But what if 1==0? |
| 21:39.04 | Shirik|AFK | I can prove that |
| 21:39.20 | Furl | Go go go |
| 21:39.25 | Shirik|AFK | Assuming a = b, a^2 = ab (multiply both sides by a) |
| 21:39.42 | Shirik|AFK | a^2 - b^2 = ab - b^2 (Subtract b^2 from both sides) |
| 21:39.55 | Shirik|AFK | (a+b)(a-b) = b(a-b) (Remove common factors) |
| 21:40.02 | Furl | Oooh |
| 21:40.05 | Shirik|AFK | a+b = b (Divide both sides by a-b) |
| 21:40.06 | foxlit | (Divide by 0) |
| 21:40.09 | Shirik|AFK | quiet you! |
| 21:40.19 | Furl | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:40.22 | Shirik|AFK | b+b = b (Substitute b for a) |
| 21:40.28 | Shirik|AFK | 2b = 1b (Factor) |
| 21:40.36 | Shirik|AFK | 2 = 1, thus 1 = 0 |
| 21:40.41 | Furl | >.> |
| 21:40.53 | Furl | Now we are doomed |
| 21:40.53 | Kaso | witchcraft! |
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| 21:41.13 | Kaso | burn him |
| 21:41.25 | Shirik|AFK | I would also like to point out that it has been theorized that if one ever determines the meaning of the universe, it will instantly disintegrate and be replaced by a much more complex universe |
| 21:41.41 | Shirik|AFK | I would concurrently recommend that you all brace for impact |
| 21:41.51 | Furl | Like one where G = 6.67x10^-11 + 2i ? |
| 21:41.58 | Shirik|AFK | lol |
| 21:42.07 | Shirik|AFK | um |
| 21:42.10 | Shirik|AFK | why do you have that constant memorized |
| 21:42.10 | Furl | lol |
| 21:42.15 | Furl | Hush |
| 21:42.17 | Shirik|AFK | (minus the 2i ..) |
| 21:42.32 | Shirik|AFK | I mean, hell, I go to an aeronautical university... that's the only reason I know it |
| 21:42.41 | Furl | Cause I need to know the force of gravity at any given location in the universe? |
| 21:42.45 | Shirik|AFK | ... |
| 21:42.47 | Furl | Doh |
| 21:42.56 | Shirik|AFK | most people go as far as 9.8m/s^2 and leave it at that |
| 21:43.01 | Furl | No! |
| 21:43.06 | Furl | I must go further |
| 21:43.16 | Furl | -9.78m/s^2 at everest >.> |
| 21:43.35 | Cidan | I have a feeling Shirik doesn't love me anymore. He thinks I'm ugly, :( |
| 21:43.45 | Shirik|AFK | very |
| 21:43.56 | Shirik|AFK | I'm also busy RPing |
| 21:43.58 | Shirik|AFK | =P |
| 21:44.09 | Shirik|AFK | Apparently two of the characters got drunk and woke up in bed together |
| 21:44.17 | Furl | That's not RP! |
| 21:44.19 | Shirik|AFK | lol |
| 21:44.31 | Cidan | Seriously, if you want to RP nice and well play some DDO, :P |
| 21:44.33 | Furl | That's the main focus of every 12-year-old boy and 42-year-old man on the Internet |
| 21:44.34 | Cidan | speaking of |
| 21:45.05 | Shirik|AFK | http://community.codemasters.com/forum/showthread.php?t=86628&page=47&pp=10 |
| 21:45.08 | Shirik|AFK | post #467 |
| 21:45.19 | Shirik|AFK | I'm not kidding, I was crying due to laughing when I read it |
| 21:45.46 | Furl | I actually used to be incredibly into full RP |
| 21:45.55 | Furl | Then I found WoW :/ |
| 21:46.10 | Furl | I miss the old days |
| 21:46.43 | Cidan | As did I |
| 21:46.53 | Cidan | All the more reason I want to get back into DDO |
| 21:47.10 | Oree | DDOo |
| 21:47.16 | Furl | O.o? |
| 21:47.20 | Oree | mm |
| 21:47.34 | Furl | I want more 1=0 proofs! |
| 21:47.37 | Furl | More! |
| 21:47.49 | Furl | Damn |
| 21:48.24 | Kaso | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invalid_proof |
| 21:48.29 | Kaso | knock yourself out |
| 21:48.32 | Furl | Noooooes |
| 21:48.41 | Furl | Don't mention... the evils of modern mathematics |
| 21:48.47 | Furl | Obey thine http://i0006.photobucket.com/albums/0006/pbhomepage/video3/th_G-Shack-1.jpg |
| 21:49.02 | Kaso | ^_- |
| 21:50.30 | Furl | Reminds me, I need to work on my book to be written into the Bible |
| 21:50.43 | Thunder_Child | hmm..oddly disturbing http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/science/body-mouse-is-the-perfect-mouse-for-murderers-308167.php |
| 21:50.53 | Furl | Wha? |
| 21:50.57 | Furl | Must read. |
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| 21:51.13 | Kaso | thats cgi right? |
| 21:51.42 | Furl | I want that! |
| 21:52.16 | Thunder_Child | yes cgi |
| 21:52.34 | Furl | Quote: |
| 21:52.35 | Furl | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:52.36 | Furl | Questions: |
| 21:52.37 | Furl | 1) Is that hair? |
| 21:52.38 | Furl | 2) Are there "skins" available? |
| 21:53.03 | Thunder_Child | puns.....grrr... |
| 21:55.34 | Furl | I'm going over to #islam to get arrested... brb |
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| 21:58.39 | Furlen | Stupid governments... |
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| 21:59.34 | Furl | There. |
| 22:00.02 | Kaso | ^_- |
| 22:00.34 | Furl | Okay... |
| 22:00.46 | Kaso | What just happened there |
| 22:03.22 | Furl | http://cache.gawker.com/artists/2_S.Neil_McCraw300x250.jpg ? |
| 22:04.40 | Furl | That wasn't me I swear |
| 22:06.19 | Furl | ~lart ::self |
| 22:06.19 | purl | gives ::self a good seeing to |
| 22:06.57 | Shirik|AFK | wtf language has ::self ? |
| 22:07.04 | Furl | The bible |
| 22:07.05 | Furl | Duh |
| 22:09.19 | Furl | for($i=0; $i < $i; ++$i) { } |
| 22:10.44 | Shirik|AFK | wow |
| 22:10.51 | Shirik|AFK | that's almost as bad as the for loop my roommate wrote the other day |
| 22:11.02 | Shirik|AFK | he wrote something like |
| 22:11.25 | Shirik|AFK | for(;x<test?7:9;) {} |
| 22:11.37 | Shirik|AFK | and I was like "what the hell is wrong with you" |
| 22:12.01 | Furl | Haha |
| 22:12.02 | Shirik|AFK | his response was "I forgot C!" |
| 22:12.15 | Cidan | lol? |
| 22:12.18 | Shirik|AFK | granted |
| 22:12.29 | Shirik|AFK | a few hours earlier, I was telling him that he should put "using namespace std;" at the top of the fil |
| 22:12.31 | Shirik|AFK | file |
| 22:12.35 | Shirik|AFK | in a C project... |
| 22:12.40 | Cidan | woops |
| 22:12.41 | Cidan | :P |
| 22:12.42 | Furl | v.v |
| 22:12.43 | Shirik|AFK | but I corrected that a few seconds later |
| 22:12.56 | Shirik|AFK | I've been doing C++ too much lately >< |
| 22:13.24 | Furl | Too much C++? |
| 22:13.50 | Furl | Hrmph |
| 22:13.52 | Shirik|AFK | C++ is a good language, you all suck :P |
| 22:14.01 | Cidan | it is. |
| 22:14.05 | Cidan | I prefer it to lua |
| 22:14.17 | cryogen | C++ is awful |
| 22:14.30 | Cidan | you're out of your mind |
| 22:14.30 | cryogen | and if you actually do using namespace std; and werent joking, brrr. |
| 22:14.31 | Cidan | :P |
| 22:14.45 | Shirik|AFK | I don't typically use that, actually. But with everything he was doing :P |
| 22:14.51 | Shirik|AFK | I got confused when it said FEOF was undefined |
| 22:14.55 | Furl | for($i=0; $i < $i; ++$i) { $array[$i] = "I'm killing your Computer."; } |
| 22:15.32 | Furl | I only noes ma php killer scriptzorz. |
| 22:15.38 | Shirik|AFK | >>> x = 0; array = {}; while (x < x) do x = x + 1; array[x] = "I'm killing your computer."; end |
| 22:15.39 | Cide | Shirik|AFK: nil |
| 22:15.44 | Shirik|AFK | I do believe you fail |
| 22:15.57 | Furl | while 0=1? |
| 22:16.29 | Shirik|AFK | your script is no better :) |
| 22:16.39 | Furl | Like saying repeat 0==1 more. |
| 22:16.53 | Shirik|AFK | your loop goes while x < x |
| 22:16.56 | Shirik|AFK | which is always false :) |
| 22:17.02 | Shirik|AFK | so it will never run |
| 22:17.12 | Shirik|AFK | I merely translated it into another language |
| 22:17.14 | Furl | Was thinking about the difference between ++var and var++ |
| 22:17.24 | Shirik|AFK | there isn't one, except that ++var will be faster |
| 22:17.43 | Shirik|AFK | var++ would require a copy of the value and then the increment |
| 22:17.53 | Shirik|AFK | whereas ++var performs the increment in-place |
| 22:18.05 | Furl | $i==$i still standard thus. |
| 22:18.08 | Shirik|AFK | however, I am curious as to whether or not my compiler will optimize this |
| 22:20.03 | Furl | Hey, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invalid_proof#Proof_that_.E2.88.9E_.3D_1.2F4 |
| 22:20.46 | Shirik|AFK | ROFL |
| 22:20.50 | Shirik|AFK | I turn on optimizations |
| 22:20.52 | Shirik|AFK | and it completely removed my loop |
| 22:20.56 | Shirik|AFK | you suck |
| 22:21.11 | Shirik|AFK | for (int i = 0; i < 10; i++); |
| 22:21.11 | Shirik|AFK | for (int j = 0; j < 10; ++j); |
| 22:21.11 | Shirik|AFK | return 0; |
| 22:21.11 | Shirik|AFK | 00231000 xor eax,eax |
| 22:21.13 | Shirik|AFK | =( |
| 22:21.54 | wereHamster | -O3? |
| 22:22.00 | Cide | Shirik|AFK: owned :) |
| 22:22.36 | wereHamster | you have to tell the compiler to not optimize the code |
| 22:23.12 | Cide | Shirik|AFK: although, wouldn't... for( int i =0; i++ < i; ) { } 'work'? |
| 22:23.25 | Furl | Erm |
| 22:23.29 | Furl | Sounds shaky but yes? |
| 22:23.34 | Cide | granted, that's not what Furl wrote but still |
| 22:23.42 | Cide | it'd be an infinite loop |
| 22:23.42 | Shirik|AFK | Yeah well, when I told it not to optimize it, it did what I expected |
| 22:24.02 | Shirik|AFK | no, actually Cide, once again, that code would never run |
| 22:24.05 | Furl | It optimized it so it wasn't forced to compile a horrid abberation of natural lives? |
| 22:24.08 | Cide | Shirik|AFK: why not? |
| 22:24.12 | Cide | err |
| 22:24.13 | Shirik|AFK | "i++ < i" is always false |
| 22:24.21 | Cide | would it optimize it away? |
| 22:24.26 | Shirik|AFK | hell, even "++i < i" is always false |
| 22:24.27 | Furl | i++ != i |
| 22:24.30 | Shirik|AFK | we can find out |
| 22:24.52 | Furl | i++ != i is teh way you goes |
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| 22:25.07 | Shirik|AFK | yes, it too got optimized out :) |
| 22:25.26 | Furl | i++ != i !!! |
| 22:25.27 | Cide | maybe I know too little C[++] |
| 22:25.34 | Shirik|AFK | for (int z = 0; z++ < z;){} |
| 22:25.34 | Shirik|AFK | return 0; |
| 22:25.34 | Shirik|AFK | 00081000 xor eax,eax |
| 22:25.34 | Shirik|AFK | 00081002 ret |
| 22:25.35 | Cide | but i++ < i should always be true? |
| 22:25.40 | Shirik|AFK | no, it should always be false |
| 22:25.43 | Cide | how so? |
| 22:25.44 | Shirik|AFK | why would it always be true :/ |
| 22:25.53 | Cide | i++ returns i, increments it, and the second access it would be i+1 |
| 22:25.55 | Furl | Math.Factorial("10000"); |
| 22:25.57 | Cide | i < i+1 |
| 22:25.59 | Furl | Or whatever |
| 22:26.00 | Shirik|AFK | oh |
| 22:26.05 | Shirik|AFK | I forgot about the side effect |
| 22:26.11 | Shirik|AFK | however, I do believe, Cide, that it's evaluated right to left |
| 22:26.12 | Shirik|AFK | but let's find out |
| 22:26.17 | Shirik|AFK | but it is indeed getting optimized out |
| 22:26.19 | Furl | oooo |
| 22:26.20 | Cide | it might |
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| 22:26.26 | Cide | but then you could construct another infinite loop |
| 22:26.32 | Cide | i > i++ |
| 22:26.42 | Furl | ? |
| 22:26.48 | Cide | but that wouldn't make sense :P |
| 22:26.53 | Furl | It doesn't |
| 22:27.01 | Cide | if it's evaluated right to left it would |
| 22:27.04 | Shirik|AFK | for (int z = 0; z > z++;){} |
| 22:27.04 | Cide | to a computer... |
| 22:27.08 | Shirik|AFK | also got optimized out |
| 22:27.13 | Shirik|AFK | let's try removing optimizations... |
| 22:28.50 | Thunder_Child | sweet sweet info ftw http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=1155755572&postId=11552515549&sid=1#0 |
| 22:30.37 | Furl|Europe | Yay BCifying 20-60 |
| 22:30.51 | Furl|Europe | This is why I have been levelling evry class to 20 |
| 22:31.10 | Furl|Europe | And stopping there >.> |
| 22:31.18 | Furl|Europe | :O |
| 22:31.22 | Furl|Europe | How dare ye! |
| 22:31.23 | Shirik|AFK | wow wtf Cide |
| 22:31.30 | Shirik|AFK | you have made me realize how stupid my compiler is |
| 22:31.40 | Cide | what's it do? |
| 22:31.40 | Thunder_Child | gratz cide |
| 22:31.49 | Thunder_Child | ~win Cide |
| 22:31.50 | purl | Congratulations, Cide! You have won a one way ticket to baghdad! |
| 22:31.50 | Shirik|AFK | oh wait, no, I just skipped a line |
| 22:31.52 | Furl|Europe | grats Cide |
| 22:31.55 | Thunder_Child | err... |
| 22:31.55 | Cide | oh |
| 22:31.59 | Cide | ~fail Cide |
| 22:31.59 | purl | Cide: Fail. |
| 22:32.00 | Shirik|AFK | I thought it did "jmp 3013f2" |
| 22:32.05 | Shirik|AFK | when 3013f2 was the next line... |
| 22:32.15 | Furl|Europe | lol |
| 22:32.16 | Shirik|AFK | but I skipped one |
| 22:32.19 | Cide | haha, that would've been a nice jump |
| 22:32.33 | Cide | goto a |
| 22:32.52 | Cide | a: |
| 22:33.07 | Cide | (/me blames lua for the missing semicolon) |
| 22:33.21 | Furl|Europe | (/me blames semicolons for the missing lua) |
| 22:33.29 | Cide | actually, I blame python - I still do semicolons in lua |
| 22:33.35 | Kaydeethree | and splat goes the forums |
| 22:33.36 | Shirik|AFK | however Cide |
| 22:33.41 | Shirik|AFK | you're right, and it was optimizing it wrong |
| 22:33.46 | Furl|Europe | KD3: yay |
| 22:33.50 | Cide | so infinite loop? |
| 22:33.58 | Shirik|AFK | even though... I couldn't figure out wtf some of these lines were |
| 22:33.59 | Shirik|AFK | http://wowi.pastey.net/75055 |
| 22:34.04 | Shirik|AFK | the increment should occur first |
| 22:34.53 | Shirik|AFK | oops |
| 22:34.56 | Shirik|AFK | I commented the jge wrong |
| 22:35.06 | Thunder_Child | thats weird... i cant type /c |
| 22:35.10 | Thunder_Child | in wow |
| 22:35.27 | Shirik|AFK | well not "wrong" but yeah |
| 22:35.37 | Thunder_Child | hitting enter does nothing |
| 22:35.44 | Cide | so do you get an infinite loop? |
| 22:36.04 | Cide | if so, I broke your compiler |
| 22:36.17 | Shirik|AFK | yes |
| 22:36.33 | Shirik|AFK | actually, no I don't |
| 22:36.34 | Furl|Europe | Success! |
| 22:36.34 | Shirik|AFK | ok wtf.. |
| 22:36.36 | Furl|Europe | ] |
| 22:36.47 | Shirik|AFK | I fail at reading IA32 assembly |
| 22:36.53 | Shirik|AFK | I'm going back to motorola instruction sets |
| 22:36.56 | Shirik|AFK | I understand them... |
| 22:36.56 | Furl|Europe | Duh |
| 22:36.59 | Shirik|AFK | none of this "dword ptr" crap |
| 22:37.06 | Shirik|AFK | it is what it is |
| 22:37.11 | Cide | haha, consider me a failure too then |
| 22:37.50 | Furl|Europe | Apparently My IRC client has a calendar |
| 22:38.00 | Furl|Europe | I just clicked on it while petting my cat |
| 22:38.09 | Furl|Europe | I have no idea where it went or how to get to it gain |
| 22:38.11 | Furl|Europe | again* |
| 22:40.03 | Shirik|AFK | oh |
| 22:40.06 | Shirik|AFK | I readi t wrong, ok |
| 22:40.22 | Shirik|AFK | the test is done before the increment |
| 22:40.29 | Shirik|AFK | that's why it uses 3 registers instead of just two |
| 22:40.34 | Shirik|AFK | it was stupid in that it did the increment first |
| 22:40.40 | Shirik|AFK | but it's actually using the old values |
| 22:40.45 | Shirik|AFK | so testing "z < z" |
| 22:41.10 | Cide | that's interesting |
| 22:41.18 | Cide | I wonder what's more "correct" |
| 22:41.32 | Cide | that's one of the reasons I dislike var++ and ++var |
| 22:41.45 | Shirik|AFK | Postfix increment/decrement have high precedence, but the actual increment or decrement of the operand is delayed (to be accomplished sometime before the statement completes execution). |
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| 22:42.01 | Shirik|AFK | according to what I'm reading |
| 22:42.12 | Cide | what about var < ++var? |
| 22:42.13 | Shirik|AFK | which is in accordance with what was compiled |
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| 22:43.03 | Shirik|AFK | also not an infinite loop |
| 22:43.07 | Cide | boo |
| 22:43.50 | Cide | I'm curious if you could trick it into incrementing it earlier |
| 22:44.44 | wereHamster | why don't you join #gcc? |
| 22:45.02 | Cide | because I'm going to bed and I wouldn't understand any of it |
| 22:45.28 | Shirik|AFK | actually Cide, it did increment first |
| 22:45.31 | Shirik|AFK | and use the new value |
| 22:45.40 | Shirik|AFK | but |
| 22:45.42 | Shirik|AFK | it used the new value for BOTH vs |
| 22:45.49 | Shirik|AFK | which it should, now that I think about it |
| 22:45.55 | Shirik|AFK | so v is not less than v |
| 22:45.59 | Shirik|AFK | and it gets out |
| 22:46.04 | Cide | that's interesting |
| 22:46.36 | Shirik|AFK | http://wowi.pastey.net/75057 |
| 22:47.07 | Shirik|AFK | is there no "inc" operation for IA32? |
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| 22:47.37 | wereHamster | there is IIRC |
| 22:47.37 | Shirik|AFK | I mean, hell, 68HCS12 has an increment command for every register... |
| 22:47.51 | Shirik|AFK | inx, iny, ins, ina, inb, ind |
| 22:48.13 | Shirik|AFK | actually that's inca, incb, but whatever |
| 22:48.34 | wereHamster | but at least gcc doesn't use it often |
| 22:48.43 | Shirik|AFK | I can tell neither does VC |
| 22:48.58 | wereHamster | it prefers add |
| 22:49.00 | Shirik|AFK | however it does take advantage of the "xor eax, eax" optimization |
| 22:49.05 | Shirik|AFK | so I guess inc must have no benefit... |
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| 22:50.35 | wereHamster | don't compilers use "xor eax, eax" because of the shorter opcode? |
| 22:50.45 | TC-Holding | stupid BSoD's, thats my scond for today |
| 22:51.04 | Shirik|AFK | yes :) |
| 22:51.08 | Cide | on vista? that's pretty bad |
| 22:51.17 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 22:51.18 | Shirik|AFK | because you don't have to throw a 0 in the entire opcode |
| 22:51.52 | Shirik|AFK | Thunder_Child: aww, I was just mentioning to someone today that I had never seen a BSoD on vista |
| 22:51.54 | Shirik|AFK | and that I wanted to see one |
| 22:52.03 | Thunder_Child | i get 2-3 per week |
| 22:52.03 | Shirik|AFK | I've been trying to think of a way to force one |
| 22:52.23 | Shirik|AFK | something that doesn't involve shoving a screwdriver in my hard drive |
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| 22:52.37 | Thunder_Child | doesnt look any different than on XP |
| 22:53.04 | Thunder_Child | and what just crashed me now was an audio driver of some kind |
| 22:53.06 | Shirik|AFK | I've also never seen a bluescreen (or their equivalent) on vxworks |
| 22:53.14 | Shirik|AFK | which I also need to do ^^ |
| 22:53.58 | furl | Usually I get decent error handling messages for what would ave been a BSoD on earlier OSs |
| 22:54.12 | furl | That is |
| 22:54.19 | furl | After my computer kicks itself in its virtual nuts |
| 22:54.24 | furl | :/ |
| 22:54.40 | furl | No BSoDs though |
| 22:54.50 | Shirik|AFK | VxWorks got pissed at me once but never crapped itself on me |
| 22:55.00 | Shirik|AFK | it just yelled and spat out a ton of crap, and then continued what it was doing |
| 22:55.20 | furl | lol |
| 22:55.35 | Shirik|AFK | But I think it was probably more of a program crash than it was an OS problem |
| 22:55.41 | Shirik|AFK | but to this day I haven't found a problem in the code :/ |
| 22:56.37 | Thunder_Child | what i really hate is when vista tries to "recover" my crashing display adapter which always ends in a BSoD |
| 22:57.11 | Shirik|AFK | oh really? |
| 22:57.15 | Shirik|AFK | It's recovered mine twice now |
| 22:57.21 | Thunder_Child | yes...i wish i could disable that |
| 22:57.25 | Shirik|AFK | no problems at all |
| 22:57.31 | Shirik|AFK | wekk |
| 22:57.34 | Shirik|AFK | what would you rather it do? |
| 22:57.37 | Shirik|AFK | bsod anyway? |
| 22:57.43 | Shirik|AFK | it's probably what it'll end up doing ^^ |
| 22:57.48 | Shirik|AFK | or lock up |
| 22:57.57 | Thunder_Child | then spend 5 min flickering trying? yes |
| 23:00.32 | Thunder_Child | does anyone ever follow the little msg that says "make sure no other applications are running while installing?" |
| 23:00.57 | Kaso | Ha i doubt it |
| 23:01.27 | Thunder_Child | would be funny....as explore.exe is an app |
| 23:01.36 | Thunder_Child | among other things |
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| 23:02.28 | furl | lol |
| 23:02.36 | Shirik|AFK | well |
| 23:02.39 | Shirik|AFK | if you want to take it that literally |
| 23:02.45 | Shirik|AFK | almost every operating system service is an app ^^ |
| 23:02.51 | Shirik|AFK | Including the program that copies files |
| 23:03.05 | Shirik|AFK | so it's impossible to install |
| 23:03.19 | furl | All instances of rundll32, svchost, explorer, services, SYS |
| 23:03.29 | Thunder_Child | isnt an OS also an app? |
| 23:03.39 | Shirik|AFK | I tend not to call the kernel an app |
| 23:03.41 | furl | In a sense, yes, in a sense, no |
| 23:03.54 | Shirik|AFK | since it does more of deciding what apps get resources than actually doing work on its own |
| 23:03.55 | furl | Threading service would be gone |
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| 23:04.20 | Thunder_Child | well the OS as a whole is an application for your computer |
| 23:04.25 | furl | That would be funny, the tech support call there |
| 23:04.49 | Shirik|AFK | Well, I would argue the OS is a bundle of applications |
| 23:04.51 | Shirik|AFK | not a single one |
| 23:04.53 | furl | "I closed all appications running on my computer, and I can't install now." |
| 23:05.11 | Shirik|AFK | "Okay sir please click the start menu and go to my computeR" |
| 23:05.16 | furl | OS is a shell for other apps as well as several apps bundled to reinforce the running of said apps |
| 23:05.17 | Shirik|AFK | "I don't have a start menu, it told me to close everything" |
| 23:05.36 | furl | lol |
| 23:05.47 | Shirik|AFK | that's almost as bad as that call I got one time |
| 23:06.06 | furl | Where she called back saying what were those pills you gave me? |
| 23:06.07 | Shirik|AFK | "My Microsoft Word shut itself down and said 'Access Violation' I swear I didn't mean to do anything wrong. Am I in trouble?" |
| 23:06.17 | furl | ROFL |
| 23:06.24 | Shirik|AFK | I paraphrased but yeah |
| 23:07.00 | wereHamster | how did you respond? |
| 23:07.51 | Shirik|AFK | In retrospect I should have responded with something like "Just give me your address and phone number, and I will contact Microsoft about your incident and get back to you with further details. If the police arrive at your house, please remain calm and let them know the issue is being handled." |
| 23:08.06 | Shirik|AFK | But instead I just tried to explain what the error meant and I think I failed miserably >< |
| 23:08.20 | furl | Hehe |
| 23:08.35 | Shirik|AFK | I never did like that terminology |
| 23:08.37 | furl | Did The WoW Admin Service just go down? |
| 23:08.37 | Shirik|AFK | "access violation" |
| 23:08.44 | furl | Can't login to forums/account. |
| 23:08.53 | Shirik|AFK | dunno |
| 23:08.54 | furl | "Daughter violation" |
| 23:08.57 | Shirik|AFK | but I'm going down to publix |
| 23:08.58 | Shirik|AFK | take care |
| 23:09.35 | furl | Or did they just delete my account? |
| 23:09.47 | furl | Bah, not yet. |
| 23:09.53 | furl | Okay. All is well >.> |
| 23:11.17 | furl | Still can't log into the forums |
| 23:15.31 | wereHamster | Shirik|AFK, good luck explaining what SIGSEGV means ;) |
| 23:17.15 | furl | !c us Eonar Zulgnome |
| 23:17.16 | ThraeBot | furl: Zulgnome is not the character you are looking for! |
| 23:17.26 | furl | Yuh huh! He's level 3 |
| 23:17.41 | Sixen | =) |
| 23:17.44 | furl | K: Be nice to the forums, they break easily |
| 23:21.29 | Cairenn | being nice is boring, it's a hella lot more fun to ... nm |
| 23:21.57 | Gnarfoz | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:22.15 | Gnarfoz | ATSW broke with the new "turn nexus crystals into the new BC shards" enchanting recipe |
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| 23:23.34 | Gnarfoz | http://ace.pastey.net/75058 stack overflow? oO |
| 23:23.55 | Gnarfoz | ahhh |
| 23:23.59 | Gnarfoz | it's not the nexus one |
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| 23:24.13 | Gnarfoz | it's the "turn 3 small shards into 1 large one" AND the "do it the other way around, too" one |
| 23:24.17 | Gnarfoz | infinite loop --. |
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| 23:24.58 | Sixen | Ah, okay. |
| 23:25.05 | Sixen | It's not just me that can't login, :D |
| 23:25.11 | jon_a | can anyone help me with new btm scanner elvaluations please |
| 23:26.58 | Speeddymon | jon_a: tbh, the new btmscanner evals were just put in, and so not many ppl can help with them. i was giving you the channel names so that if you wanted help with lua in general, you could get it |
| 23:27.44 | jon_a | kk thanks |
| 23:28.53 | furl | lol |
| 23:30.46 | Thunder_Child | anyone else having auth issues with wow? |
| 23:30.57 | furl | Sorta... >.> |
| 23:31.03 | Kaydeethree | forums auth went splat, I just logged in to the game fine |
| 23:31.08 | furl | Yea. |
| 23:31.26 | Sixen | Ditot. |
| 23:31.28 | Sixen | Ditto8 |
| 23:31.30 | furl | I had a little bit of issues getting into wow acct management too, but it's fine now |
| 23:31.35 | furl | Ditto* |
| 23:33.15 | Sixen | Yeah, that. |
| 23:34.04 | furl | Maybe Blizz decided they didn't like the forums? |
| 23:34.08 | furl | So they nerfed it? |
| 23:34.57 | furl | Heck now I'm getting timed out |
| 23:35.55 | furl | lol |
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| 23:42.33 | furl | <3 Hail |
| 23:42.56 | furl | Hehe |
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