| 00:00.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | # |
| 00:00.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | # sag_ich_nicht's mom is a very nice lady. |
| 00:00.35 | Wobin_ | So I hear |
| 00:01.02 | Wobin_ | I'm glad she made it into the patch notes =P |
| 00:01.19 | KarlThePagan | damnit I just leanred about wowblues and now it's down |
| 00:01.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | ownt |
| 00:01.41 | sag_ich_nicht | Sonic Burst now silences for 6 seconds instead of 10. |
| 00:01.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://wowexposed.de KarlThePagan? |
| 00:02.01 | sag_ich_nicht | i won't have to bash my head against the keyboard while in maraudon i guess. |
| 00:02.32 | KarlThePagan | Mr_Rabies2, I don't want a stinking weblog... I only want the blue posts :( |
| 00:02.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | thats all it is |
| 00:02.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | :o |
| 00:02.51 | KarlThePagan | oh... ahha |
| 00:02.57 | KarlThePagan | k the format has confused me |
| 00:03.01 | KarlThePagan | rss? |
| 00:03.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://wowexposed.de/?feed=rss2 maybe |
| 00:03.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | works in ff |
| 00:03.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | :x |
| 00:03.28 | KarlThePagan | woo yea |
| 00:03.48 | KarlThePagan | ty |
| 00:10.53 | sag_ich_nicht | [02:00] <Mr_Rabies2> # sag_ich_nicht's mom is a very nice lady. <--fact |
| 00:11.09 | sag_ich_nicht | i can't understand how i have become such a horribly unfriendly person having a mother like her |
| 00:11.10 | sag_ich_nicht | :/ |
| 00:11.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | have you set an orphanage on fire yet |
| 00:12.41 | sag_ich_nicht | no |
| 00:12.46 | sag_ich_nicht | i have not found a suiteable one yet |
| 00:12.52 | sag_ich_nicht | i need one that has only evil children in it |
| 00:12.56 | sag_ich_nicht | but there are none |
| 00:12.58 | sag_ich_nicht | so no |
| 00:13.16 | Corrodias | LA DEE DOO |
| 00:13.49 | Corrodias | which brings me to my question |
| 00:13.58 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Tsikura (n=tsikura@user-0cev19g.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 00:14.01 | Corrodias | why do you have a rabies and a rabies2 when you only ever talk on one of them? |
| 00:14.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | because my other one is always watching from the shadows |
| 00:14.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | always watching, always waiting, waiting for eternity |
| 00:16.07 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Furl (n=Furl@adsl-1-97-97.bna.bellsouth.net) |
| 00:16.31 | Furl | Does the change to /stopcasting mean that I can chain better in between those 60-70ms? |
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| 00:16.51 | Furl | Cause change in lat gets to be a real pain sometimes |
| 00:17.01 | KarlThePagan | i hope so |
| 00:17.07 | KarlThePagan | I also hope it works for channeled spells |
| 00:17.15 | Furl | Yup |
| 00:17.19 | Wobin_ | It will be very interesting at how that works |
| 00:17.20 | KarlThePagan | but I'm probably gonna roll 41-disc when 2.3 hits |
| 00:17.29 | Furl | O.o |
| 00:17.58 | KarlThePagan | the glory of pain suppression will last foreva! |
| 00:18.16 | Furl | lol |
| 00:19.22 | Corrodias | Furl: i think rather that it's referring to instant-instant-timed casts |
| 00:19.24 | Corrodias | in macros |
| 00:19.31 | JoshBorke | wtb Pain Suppression x 40 |
| 00:19.35 | Furl | Well |
| 00:19.43 | Corrodias | so no more /use 12 /stopcasting /cast Presence of Mind /stopcasting /cast Pyroblast whatevers |
| 00:19.54 | Furl | Still If there is the change in how the client handles casting |
| 00:19.55 | Corrodias | i don't know if trinket usage required it |
| 00:20.11 | Wobin_ | Corrodias: I totally forgot about that |
| 00:20.12 | Furl | Then I may be able to lapse the change in lat |
| 00:20.13 | Corrodias | the question is, will the CLIENT allow you to start casting before you've finished casting another |
| 00:20.29 | Corrodias | if so, then no more plain /stopcasting /cast frostbolt macros to beat latengy |
| 00:20.39 | Wobin_ | - Client spell cast requests are now sent to the server even if your |
| 00:20.40 | Wobin_ | player is already casting another spell. |
| 00:20.48 | Wobin_ | so, apparantly yes |
| 00:20.59 | Wobin_ | although for possibly varying values of 'yes' |
| 00:21.02 | KarlThePagan | Corrodias, no it's deffinately a fix for using stopcasting macros to cast when the server thinks you're done... it's in the blue posts |
| 00:21.13 | Wobin_ | in which yes -could- possibly equal 'no' |
| 00:21.15 | Furl | That way between change in lat (client casting and server casting) I can thus cast at the right time and ot 70ms later |
| 00:21.16 | Kaydeethree | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2288092849&sid=1 |
| 00:21.26 | Furl | Which is incredibly useful as a warlock |
| 00:21.28 | Wobin_ | Furl: go away =( |
| 00:21.38 | Wobin_ | I have a latency of 300ms on a -good- day |
| 00:21.45 | Wobin_ | QQ more =P |
| 00:21.47 | Furl | I get anywhere from 60 to 1500 |
| 00:21.53 | Furl | :P |
| 00:22.09 | Furl | generally 60 to 230 |
| 00:22.21 | Furl | Depends on time of day. |
| 00:23.29 | Wobin_ | lucky =P |
| 00:23.51 | Wobin_ | For me, a green latency bar means "omg, what broke?" |
| 00:24.00 | Furl | lol |
| 00:24.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | ive been getting 50-150 again since 2.23 |
| 00:25.20 | Furl | Well of course my 60 is on a EST server with me in CST |
| 00:25.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | dunno where my server ia |
| 00:25.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | is |
| 00:25.53 | Furl | Corrodias: the one that makes it change pretty colors |
| 00:27.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | whois'd it and apparently it's in San Diego |
| 00:27.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | OrgName: CERFnet |
| 00:27.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | OrgID: CERF |
| 00:27.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | Address: 5738 Pacific Center Blvd |
| 00:27.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | City: San Diego |
| 00:28.26 | Furl | Crap, I don't wanna bring my console up |
| 00:32.55 | Furl | WHOIS IP for 12.129.232.115: |
| 00:33.03 | Furl | Blizzard Entertainment ATTENS-008916-004056 (NET-12-129-232-0-1) |
| 00:33.04 | Furl | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:33.11 | Furl | Now... |
| 00:33.13 | Furl | lol |
| 00:35.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | The service youre trying to access is too busy right now, please check back another time. |
| 00:35.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | argh |
| 00:35.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | the worst part |
| 00:35.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | is the lack of an apostrophe |
| 00:35.51 | Furl | Indeed |
| 00:36.31 | Cidan | Today my friends |
| 00:36.41 | Cidan | Is the day a part of us dies on the inside. |
| 00:36.54 | Cidan | For on this day, EA has announced they have purchased Bioware. |
| 00:36.55 | Thunder_Child | I HAVE RETURNED! |
| 00:36.59 | Cidan | er |
| 00:37.22 | Cidan | er |
| 00:37.31 | Cidan | third time's a charm? |
| 00:37.35 | Cidan | man I need sleep. |
| 00:37.57 | Furl | What?! |
| 00:38.01 | Cidan | Yep. |
| 00:38.09 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Valaron|Work_ (n=esochan@techshop.ecst.csuchico.edu) |
| 00:38.27 | Valaron|Work_ | Nice |
| 00:38.41 | Cidan | Oh KOTOR, Jade Empire, Neverwinter, Icewind and BG1/2 |
| 00:38.46 | Cidan | You will never be the same. |
| 00:38.48 | Furl | http://www.bioware.com/bioware_info/press_releases/2007_10_11_EA_to_acquire_bioware_pandemic/EA_to_acquire_bioware_pandemic.pdf |
| 00:39.05 | Cidan | Never will we see a good game come out of them again. |
| 00:39.17 | Cidan | Look at Maxis for proof, though Spore might be something new |
| 00:39.21 | Cidan | Simcity is gone |
| 00:39.33 | Cidan | Replaced with The Sims(TM) City Edition |
| 00:39.38 | Wobin_ | I don't think Spore will be quite the game as promoted |
| 00:39.46 | Wobin_ | (ie won't live up to the hype) |
| 00:39.47 | Thunder_Child | i dunno...bioware didnt thrill me all that much |
| 00:40.01 | Cidan | YOU DO NOT DESERVE THE GIFT OF LIFE THUNDER_CHILD |
| 00:40.13 | Thunder_Child | true |
| 00:40.20 | Thunder_Child | but thats besides the point |
| 00:41.30 | Thunder_Child | Cidan, what game of theirs made you into a beliver? |
| 00:41.56 | Cidan | BG |
| 00:42.03 | Cidan | BG2, and Icewind |
| 00:42.12 | Cidan | but then KOTOR was the cherry on top |
| 00:42.17 | Cidan | Jade Empire was amazing too |
| 00:42.22 | Cidan | oh and I <3 NWN |
| 00:42.26 | Cidan | so take your pick |
| 00:42.38 | Thunder_Child | i liked BG/BG2/ID and even NVN but KOTOR made me want to kill myself |
| 00:42.44 | sag_ich_nicht | i have BG1, BG2, Icewind Dale 1+2 and NWN |
| 00:42.47 | sag_ich_nicht | +all addons for them. |
| 00:42.55 | Cidan | I love the games that Bioware made internally |
| 00:42.57 | Cidan | but like |
| 00:42.59 | KarlKFI | i'm really lookign forward to 15% run speed increase in arenas |
| 00:42.59 | Cidan | KOTOR2 |
| 00:43.00 | Cidan | NWN2 |
| 00:43.01 | Cidan | all sucked |
| 00:43.45 | Lunessa | NWN@ was ass? |
| 00:43.55 | Cidan | 2? |
| 00:43.56 | Cidan | yes |
| 00:43.58 | Cidan | It was horrible |
| 00:44.37 | Thunder_Child | was? it stoped being so? |
| 00:44.39 | Lunessa | We're talking about the Atari/Bioware D&D game with player- made content and it's own quest line, not the old goldbox games, right? |
| 00:45.22 | Thunder_Child | some of us were already here |
| 00:45.26 | Wobin_ | s'true |
| 00:45.35 | Cidan | we're talking about NWN2, the Obsidian one |
| 00:45.46 | Lunessa | I'm totally a geek. My MySpace page even proclaims it. |
| 00:45.47 | Cidan | The one Bioware didn't make |
| 00:47.24 | Lunessa | I played NWN (the goldbox from the early 90s) and NWN that I mentioned above, but I didn't get NWN2. |
| 00:47.33 | Cidan | Don't |
| 00:47.43 | Cidan | It's horrible |
| 00:48.22 | Furl | Still love maxis. |
| 00:48.28 | Furl | EA just has too much money |
| 00:48.33 | Furl | I think Blizzard should nerf them |
| 00:48.50 | Cidan | I wish Earth and Beyond was still up |
| 00:48.55 | Cidan | still no other space MMO like it |
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| 00:59.30 | Lunessa | I wouldn't mind a really good SF MMO. |
| 00:59.48 | Thunder_Child | SG-1 and Firefly |
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| 01:00.00 | Thunder_Child | err..SGW |
| 01:00.02 | Lunessa | Space Opera - ships, power armor, blasters, etc. |
| 01:00.19 | Valaron|Work | Subspace! |
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| 01:00.30 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+v Guillotine] by ChanServ |
| 01:00.32 | Lunessa | SWG left me cold. Much for the same reason LotRO does. |
| 01:01.10 | Furl | How exactly does the client-server connection work in WoW? |
| 01:01.12 | Cidan | how is that? |
| 01:01.32 | Cidan | I mean, why does LotRO? |
| 01:03.56 | Esamynn | Furl: what exactly are you asking? |
| 01:03.57 | Thunder_Child | ok...it's after 6....where is the ptr client.... |
| 01:04.04 | Esamynn | ~lart Thunder_Child |
| 01:04.04 | purl | flings poo at Thunder_Child |
| 01:04.22 | Esamynn | haha, how perfectly appropriate |
| 01:04.30 | Thunder_Child | "The PTR servers should be available after 6PM Pacific time." |
| 01:04.34 | Lunessa | Because once you turn the masses loose on the settings, they cease to be places of interest for me. "N00b" should never be heard in Middle Earth. |
| 01:04.40 | Thunder_Child | it's 6:04 where the hell are they! |
| 01:04.50 | Esamynn | ~gag Thunder_Child |
| 01:04.51 | purl | ACTION takes away the voice of Thunder_Child and, as an additional precaution, sews Thunder_Child's mouth shut permanently... |
| 01:04.59 | Sixen | Can you get a fiery weapon on a Fishing pole? |
| 01:05.21 | Esamynn | dunno, never tried |
| 01:05.32 | Sixen | :/ |
| 01:05.37 | Furl | Ah.... |
| 01:05.38 | Furl | http://test.worldofwarcraft.com/ptr/downloads/downloads.html?ticket=ST-1307375-h0hTSxJ2yGJSkv4ZfqSW |
| 01:05.47 | Furl | Nothing like good ole you |
| 01:05.48 | Furl | youre |
| 01:06.27 | Esamynn | heh |
| 01:07.39 | ScytheBlade1 | lol @ http://img239.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture1rs6.png |
| 01:08.55 | Furl | 20 bucks says they leave console port, worldport, and whois commands on again |
| 01:09.44 | Kaydeethree | ah, tacos <3 |
| 01:10.15 | Furl | Tacos, you say? |
| 01:10.24 | Lunessa | Sixen: Some items like that can be enchanted, but I haven't tried ina long while. |
| 01:10.24 | Kaydeethree | was in the mood for mexican for some odd reason |
| 01:10.41 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/downloads/clients/pc/WoW-2.2.2.7318-to-0.2.3.7344-enUS-downloader.exe |
| 01:10.45 | ScytheBlade1 | There, I'll save you all effort |
| 01:10.49 | Kaydeethree | that's the 0.2.3 client |
| 01:10.50 | Esamynn | PTR patch downloader is available, but it's expecting the WRONG live version |
| 01:10.52 | Kaydeethree | er, 2.2.3 |
| 01:10.52 | Esamynn | doh! |
| 01:11.09 | Sixen | Hmmm, I wonder.. |
| 01:11.41 | Furl | Service Temporarily Unavailable |
| 01:11.42 | Furl | The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to maintenance downtime or capacity problems. Please try again later. |
| 01:11.46 | Furl | rofl |
| 01:11.51 | Sixen | Apparently you can't, :/. |
| 01:12.03 | Esamynn | oh, wait, you're right, they brought up the PTR download with the 2.2.3 download still up |
| 01:12.07 | Cidan | THat's a forced message |
| 01:12.07 | Furl | 503 error ftw. |
| 01:12.13 | Furl | It does seem |
| 01:12.18 | Furl | Takes a millisecond to load |
| 01:12.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Works here |
| 01:12.21 | Cidan | It's not really down. |
| 01:12.21 | Thunder_Child | boo " This update does not need to be applied. It requires version 2.2.2.7318 of "WoW.exe", but you already have version 2.2.3.7359." |
| 01:12.33 | Furl | rofl |
| 01:12.38 | Furl | Gimme the url |
| 01:12.40 | Furl | URL!!! |
| 01:12.50 | Esamynn | no point, it's the wrong downlaod |
| 01:13.00 | Furl | Yea |
| 01:13.05 | Furl | It's goin to 2.2.3 |
| 01:13.06 | Thunder_Child | i think blizz is just screwing around with us |
| 01:13.07 | Furl | Heh |
| 01:13.57 | Furl | It would be: |
| 01:13.58 | Furl | -to-0.3.0.7344-enUS-downloader.exe |
| 01:14.03 | Furl | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/downloads/clients/pc/WoW-2.2.3.7359-to-0.3.0.7382-enUS-patch.exe |
| 01:14.14 | Furl | Wait no |
| 01:14.17 | *** join/#wowi-lounge dinesh_ (n=chatzill@c-68-36-168-161.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) |
| 01:14.35 | Furl | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/downloads/clients/pc/WoW-2.2.3.7359-to-0.3.0.7382-enUS-downloader.exe |
| 01:14.46 | Furl | That's what it would be I think |
| 01:15.30 | Esamynn | why that particular revision? |
| 01:15.41 | Furl | Hortus mentionedd the build number |
| 01:15.47 | Furl | In a sticky. |
| 01:16.48 | Kaydeethree | if you're on the PTR forum, spread this link around please: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2366656651&sid=1 |
| 01:16.58 | Kaydeethree | stupid "server busy, try again later" crap |
| 01:18.37 | Furl | I just go: |
| 01:18.38 | Furl | See the sticky up there? Yea. That one. |
| 01:18.39 | Furl | [i]Hortus said:[/i] |
| 01:18.40 | Furl | [quote]Please do not attempt to copy characters or download the client. [/quote] |
| 01:18.46 | Furl | Ctrl+V == Done |
| 01:18.55 | Kaydeethree | like people read the stickies? |
| 01:19.00 | Furl | So? |
| 01:19.04 | Furl | I quoted too :) |
| 01:19.07 | Furl | >.> |
| 01:20.24 | Furl | Okay, fine. |
| 01:20.26 | Furl | Link it is |
| 01:20.29 | Furl | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2366656651&sid=1#0 |
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| 01:21.43 | Furl | cog? |
| 01:21.46 | Furl | Omgah! |
| 01:23.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Huh |
| 01:23.21 | ScytheBlade1 | The PTR data is refusing to download for me |
| 01:24.20 | cogwheel | ScytheBlade1: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2288172500&sid=1 |
| 01:24.48 | ScytheBlade1 | I mean the downloader |
| 01:24.52 | ScytheBlade1 | It's not giving me a tracker error.. |
| 01:25.11 | Kaydeethree | hopefully because they told the tracker to not let people download that torrent? |
| 01:25.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Then it would give me a tracker error :P |
| 01:25.53 | cogwheel | when did the downloader become available? |
| 01:26.15 | Kaydeethree | it hasn't. they unblocked the site for a little while and now it's throwing 503s rather than the blizzard eror |
| 01:26.32 | ScytheBlade1 | lol. hot. |
| 01:26.34 | ScytheBlade1 | It downloaded. |
| 01:26.39 | ScytheBlade1 | uTorrent ftw |
| 01:26.51 | ScytheBlade1 | 1.57MB of patch data |
| 01:27.03 | cogwheel | ScytheBlade1: huh? |
| 01:27.09 | Kaydeethree | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:27.11 | cogwheel | what you say makes no sense |
| 01:27.12 | Kaydeethree | ya, waste of effort |
| 01:27.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Correct |
| 01:27.17 | Kaydeethree | that's the last PTR |
| 01:27.25 | cogwheel | 0.3 |
| 01:27.28 | cogwheel | not 0.2.3 |
| 01:27.46 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 01:27.47 | Kaydeethree | the new installer will be WoW-2.2.3.7359-to-0.3.0.7382-downloader |
| 01:27.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Die patch numbers |
| 01:28.30 | Furl | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:29.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Here I thought I was all tricky :( |
| 01:31.12 | ScytheBlade1 | That's what I get for raiding and IRCing at the same time |
| 01:31.12 | ScytheBlade1 | On different desktops |
| 01:31.12 | ScytheBlade1 | A repair bill there, and I look like a tool here |
| 01:31.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah well ;P |
| 01:31.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm gonna copy 1 char |
| 01:31.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | lets see if it works or it eats it |
| 01:31.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | either way |
| 01:31.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | i have 3 more and only 1 char i care about |
| 01:31.26 | Furl | gnomelok!!! |
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| 01:31.47 | KarlThePagan | eh... 404 |
| 01:31.47 | KarlThePagan | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/downloads/clients/pc/ptr-downloader-enUS.html |
| 01:31.50 | ScytheBlade1 | We sure it's 7382? |
| 01:32.04 | Kaydeethree | pretty sure. he's got that build number in the title of a sticky |
| 01:32.10 | ScytheBlade1 | heh, good point |
| 01:33.43 | Furl | First character copied: a level 21 I have specifically for testing experience changes in 2.3 |
| 01:34.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh snap |
| 01:34.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | that worked, KarlThePagan |
| 01:34.16 | Furl | 133MB PATCH?!?!? |
| 01:34.21 | Furl | Holy fuckin shit |
| 01:34.33 | Kaydeethree | hot damn, it's up, finally |
| 01:34.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | all the ZA stuff is in the files already |
| 01:34.37 | Furl | Yea |
| 01:34.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | all they gotta do is remove some crap |
| 01:34.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | from under it |
| 01:34.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | and add a few minor things |
| 01:34.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | all the art and stuff's there though |
| 01:34.57 | Furl | Like map and los |
| 01:35.00 | Furl | los files |
| 01:35.04 | Furl | etc. |
| 01:35.09 | Furl | which is a lot of stuff |
| 01:35.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | there's some purple and white checkerboard boxes at the bottom |
| 01:35.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | for layout guidelines |
| 01:35.25 | Furl | mmh |
| 01:36.47 | Furl | WB. |
| 01:37.20 | Cairenn | thanks |
| 01:38.06 | Cidan | OMG WB |
| 01:38.11 | Furl | Well 76.22.130.78 is lucky |
| 01:38.14 | Furl | 100% available |
| 01:38.26 | Furl | Wait |
| 01:38.28 | Furl | Wrong ip |
| 01:38.30 | Kaydeethree | wtb peers |
| 01:38.43 | ScytheBlade1 | It's cool |
| 01:38.44 | Furl | I got loads of peers |
| 01:38.46 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm downloading at 1MB/sec |
| 01:38.49 | Furl | Just three seeders. |
| 01:38.55 | Furl | 60kbps |
| 01:38.55 | ScytheBlade1 | HTTP mirror in a moment for you all |
| 01:39.00 | Furl | kBps* |
| 01:39.01 | cogwheel | 0 for me :( |
| 01:39.05 | cogwheel | i've got 448kb so far |
| 01:39.07 | MentalPower | its a 1.58MB patch |
| 01:39.15 | cogwheel | MentalPower: you've got the wrong one |
| 01:39.16 | ScytheBlade1 | 11MB downloaded... |
| 01:39.17 | Furl | 133MB |
| 01:39.26 | Furl | 12.5MB Down |
| 01:39.41 | Furl | 6MB Up |
| 01:39.46 | Furl | :/ |
| 01:39.46 | Furl | lol |
| 01:39.48 | *** join/#wowi-lounge RogueShadowTCN (n=RogueSha@adsl-69-208-89-60.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net) |
| 01:40.04 | KarlThePagan | 1.58MB patch |
| 01:40.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | Raybeez from Llane (PvE) to Test Server (US PVP) (PvP) |
| 01:40.06 | Furl | DL Rate: 20 kBps, UL Rate: 36kBP |
| 01:40.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | success |
| 01:40.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | now let's see |
| 01:40.13 | Furl | 133MB patch |
| 01:41.02 | *** join/#wowi-lounge ckknight (n=ckknight@rrcs-74-62-251-185.west.biz.rr.com) |
| 01:41.09 | Esamynn | anyone been able to get access to the Char copy page? |
| 01:41.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | yup |
| 01:41.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | just copied |
| 01:41.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | just keep trying |
| 01:41.41 | Kaydeethree | 5 hour queue, nuts |
| 01:41.51 | MentalPower | guess I got the downloader when they were changing it |
| 01:42.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | did they change it? |
| 01:42.54 | MentalPower | I got the WoW-2.2.2.7318-to-0.2.3.7344-enUS-downloader.exe one when I tried |
| 01:43.06 | Thunder_Child | try again |
| 01:43.07 | Kaydeethree | try again. the right version's up now |
| 01:43.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh |
| 01:43.25 | Thunder_Child | their servers must be getting pounded like a $2 whore |
| 01:43.52 | Furl | Erm |
| 01:43.53 | cogwheel | wewt |
| 01:43.58 | cogwheel | uTorrent 4tw |
| 01:43.59 | Furl | One dollar. |
| 01:44.12 | Furl | Yea.... lol |
| 01:44.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | ugh |
| 01:44.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | i hate |
| 01:44.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | HATE |
| 01:44.26 | Kaydeethree | boo. I get to the realm select page and then it bails |
| 01:44.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | how the blizz dler has no upload controls |
| 01:44.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | it maximizes my upload which chokes my dl |
| 01:44.56 | Thunder_Child | because you cant be trusted with stuff like that |
| 01:45.09 | cogwheel | 500KB/s =) |
| 01:45.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | have it use azureus' automatic one at least |
| 01:45.40 | Kaydeethree | oh c'mon. it got to the "confirm copy" page that time |
| 01:45.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | 30KB/s here, 60KB/s upload (which is my max) |
| 01:45.55 | Kaydeethree | still sitting at 0 bytes here. |
| 01:45.57 | Kaydeethree | </3 |
| 01:46.33 | Thunder_Child | 100 KB/s down 50 KB/s Up for me using blizz's DL |
| 01:46.34 | Furl | 32kBps is my max upload. Mine is currently sitting at 34kBps :/ |
| 01:46.37 | Furl | So I mean |
| 01:46.40 | KarlThePagan | ah yes... finally 133MB patch |
| 01:46.40 | Furl | Wuuuuuuuutu>! |
| 01:46.51 | Industrial | 2400/200 :P |
| 01:46.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | 9mb dl'd so far |
| 01:47.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | 6000/384 here i think or something |
| 01:47.16 | Furl | I just got flooded with leeches |
| 01:47.20 | Furl | Damn |
| 01:47.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | in bits |
| 01:47.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | not bytes |
| 01:47.31 | Industrial | bytes. |
| 01:47.51 | Kaydeethree | damn it all! let me copy my character |
| 01:47.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | die, Industrial |
| 01:47.57 | Industrial | ;> |
| 01:48.06 | cogwheel | No! Let ME! |
| 01:48.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | 6 mbit is about as good as it gets here |
| 01:48.22 | Industrial | wheres here? |
| 01:48.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | you can get 7 mbit but its 65 a month and is comcast |
| 01:48.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | we |
| 01:48.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | er, 10mbit |
| 01:48.40 | KarlThePagan | hour queue now |
| 01:48.48 | cogwheel | YAY! |
| 01:48.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | ATL, indy |
| 01:48.53 | Thunder_Child | Mr_Rabies2, are you adding in tax? |
| 01:48.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | well, boonies near atl |
| 01:48.58 | Industrial | I pay 80 euros a month for 20 mbit down 2 up + television + phone |
| 01:49.07 | Industrial | wich is cheaper then all that kapart |
| 01:49.10 | Kaydeethree | each time I get to the page the hour number goes up |
| 01:49.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | no, tc |
| 01:49.14 | Industrial | -k |
| 01:49.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | commcast is awful |
| 01:49.31 | ScytheBlade1 | There goes my upload skyrocketing |
| 01:49.37 | ScytheBlade1 | 300kB/sec up... |
| 01:49.41 | ScytheBlade1 | 400... |
| 01:49.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | THERE GO MY NIPPLES AGAIN |
| 01:49.45 | ScytheBlade1 | 700! |
| 01:49.47 | Thunder_Child | well i used to have them, got switched to time warner and 10mb is $50 |
| 01:50.10 | Furl | How can you get the patch with uTorrent? |
| 01:50.13 | ScytheBlade1 | 1MB/sec up |
| 01:50.20 | Furl | <--torrentitial nub |
| 01:50.42 | MentalPower | what realm are you guys copying to? PvE? |
| 01:50.54 | Kaydeethree | http://capnbry.net/wow/downloads/WoWTorrentEx-3.zip |
| 01:50.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | pvp here |
| 01:50.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | pve is always dead |
| 01:50.57 | KarlThePagan | meh... i'm at 50mb don't need any fancy torrents ;) |
| 01:51.07 | Kaydeethree | furl; put that and your downloader in teh same folder, then run it |
| 01:51.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | use thatfor lowlevel alts |
| 01:51.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | man |
| 01:51.14 | Thunder_Child | pve for me |
| 01:51.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | my keyboard is acting up |
| 01:51.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | spacebar |
| 01:51.21 | cogwheel | i'm 90% done |
| 01:51.31 | Kaydeethree | 8%, finally moving now |
| 01:51.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | Cairenn, that's a Sealab 2021 quote |
| 01:51.36 | Furl | mm |
| 01:51.48 | Lunessa | Mr_Rabies: I really shouldn't have a sound to alert me to the word nipples... /sigh |
| 01:51.58 | KarlThePagan | Mr_Rabies2 yes please... I get corpse camped by 70's on live so I really need to test and make sure they haven't screwed up 70's camping duskwood on the ptr |
| 01:52.17 | KarlThePagan | and instead of relogging my main... I can stare at it in the transfer queue for 8 hours |
| 01:52.18 | Thunder_Child | lol Lunessa |
| 01:52.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm tempted to fill #wowi-lounge in with my slightly ontopic bizarre dream i had last night |
| 01:52.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | it involved going to japan and milk and that's all i'll say for now |
| 01:53.21 | Cairenn | o.O |
| 01:53.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | freud would have a field day with it |
| 01:53.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | and no it didn't involve my mom |
| 01:53.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | or i'd probably have killed myself |
| 01:53.59 | Cairenn | your dad? |
| 01:54.14 | Furl | your second cousin? |
| 01:54.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | no, my dad has not been known to lactate as far as i know |
| 01:54.30 | Esamynn | damnit |
| 01:54.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | haven't asked him but i'd rather leave that up to mystery |
| 01:54.52 | Esamynn | I keep getting the confirm screen, and then it errors/times out on me instead of copying :( |
| 01:54.53 | Cairenn | second cousin is fine, it's when it's your sibling that it's a problem |
| 01:54.54 | Lunessa | Hello Kitty Milk drinking UI? |
| 01:54.55 | Thunder_Child | well men can |
| 01:55.01 | Kaydeethree | Esamynn, I feel your pain |
| 01:55.13 | Furl | "Hey look ted, there's some shtuff comin out mai nippuls!" |
| 01:55.35 | Esamynn | it would be nice, if the server gave priority to those who have "started the copy proces" |
| 01:55.37 | Furl | I can't get any peers on the uTorrent thing |
| 01:55.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | Industrial, here's a great example of comcast's awesome pricing scheme: http://www.comcast.com/MediaLibrary/1/1/Common/Images/NewHomeNoFlash.jpg |
| 01:56.11 | KarlThePagan | I totally love getting to the LAST PAGE of character copy... and it goes "server too busy" on the page after my confirm |
| 01:56.23 | Esamynn | I'm getting that too |
| 01:56.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | plus they completely block torrent uploading |
| 01:56.27 | Esamynn | over and over and over and over |
| 01:56.36 | Sixen | Hm? PTR is up now? |
| 01:56.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | keep trying KarlKFI |
| 01:56.38 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn, illegal yes, genetically not really |
| 01:56.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | er |
| 01:56.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | KarlThePagan |
| 01:57.11 | KarlThePagan | i keep going back to the copy status page... just in case it worked |
| 01:57.21 | Cairenn | genetically speaking, doing it with your second cousin isn't *that* bad |
| 01:57.32 | Thunder_Child | no, i was refering to sibling |
| 01:58.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | genetically speaking sibling isn't an issue unless it extends over many generations |
| 01:58.37 | Thunder_Child | ya, 1st gen is only about 2% inbreeding |
| 01:59.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | genetically speaking, 12 year olds are cool too, so genetics are probably not always the best method for gauging these things unless it's dire circumstances, like post apocalyptic stuff |
| 01:59.30 | Sixen | KD3, you should probably change the OP of that.. And the title. |
| 01:59.40 | Thunder_Child | or your sibling is just really that hot |
| 01:59.41 | Sixen | Include a link to the downloader as well |
| 02:00.15 | Lunessa | Cairenn: Did I mention I'm your second cousin twice removed? *wink* |
| 02:00.43 | Furl | DL: average 6.2KB/s |
| 02:00.58 | Thunder_Child | i really wonder why they took guild banks out of the PTR |
| 02:01.04 | *** join/#wowi-lounge nymbia (n=nymbia@71-218-136-127.hlrn.qwest.net) |
| 02:01.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | did they? |
| 02:01.15 | Thunder_Child | ya |
| 02:01.18 | Kaydeethree | they're not ready yet |
| 02:01.21 | Kaydeethree | probably in a build or two |
| 02:01.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | it may be like voice chat |
| 02:01.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | they may wait a build or so to put em in |
| 02:02.33 | Thunder_Child | or an entire patch.... |
| 02:03.15 | Thunder_Child | woo hoo, finaly got one coppied |
| 02:03.17 | Thunder_Child | copied* |
| 02:04.07 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:04.48 | Thunder_Child | heh, "Mirrored for your pleasure" |
| 02:04.58 | Kaydeethree | I <3 you |
| 02:05.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Should give you 1MB/sec down if your connection can handle it |
| 02:06.17 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm not metered, just capped at 200GB/month |
| 02:06.21 | ScytheBlade1 | So have at it |
| 02:06.53 | Esamynn | ok, this is strange |
| 02:07.17 | Esamynn | I boot the PTR client, and log in, but the servers aren't actually up, maybe that's the problem with the copy process? |
| 02:07.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Maybe the servers aren't up? ;) |
| 02:08.04 | Esamynn | who knows |
| 02:09.10 | Furl | I <3 you too!!!! |
| 02:09.55 | Furl | Precious 175k |
| 02:11.01 | Furl | I could post the link on the forums then your 200GB/month goes bye-bye |
| 02:11.18 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Kandoko (n=Testing@adsl-068-159-119-207.sip.gsp.bellsouth.net) |
| 02:13.31 | Furl | Heh. it's 133.7 Megs. |
| 02:13.35 | Furl | Just noticed |
| 02:14.20 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 02:14.22 | ScytheBlade1 | I'd 403 it |
| 02:14.33 | Furl | Heh |
| 02:15.25 | Furl | <---x------> |
| 02:15.48 | Furl | <----x-----> |
| 02:16.23 | KarlThePagan | k screw the torrent... thxu scythe |
| 02:16.32 | KarlThePagan | vista users don't forget to run the downloader as admin :( |
| 02:16.47 | KarlThePagan | or it won't save to your drive... won't patch... bleh yea |
| 02:17.04 | MentalPower | it elevates automatically for me |
| 02:17.25 | KarlThePagan | i don't touch my UAC settings... did u? |
| 02:17.32 | MentalPower | nop |
| 02:17.34 | MentalPower | but then again, I have WoW installed in a non-standard location |
| 02:17.45 | Furl | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2366676754&postId=23663837627&sid=1#1 |
| 02:17.45 | KarlThePagan | yea... mine's in program files |
| 02:17.50 | MentalPower | its in C:\Installs. instead of C:\Program Files |
| 02:17.55 | KarlThePagan | normal patches work fine for me |
| 02:17.59 | KarlThePagan | just not this one |
| 02:18.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | ptrs not up |
| 02:18.17 | Furl | <-----x----> |
| 02:18.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | :[ |
| 02:19.15 | Furl | <------x---> |
| 02:20.13 | Furl | I wish characters had resolution settings. |
| 02:20.20 | Furl | More effective ascii diagramming |
| 02:20.24 | KarlThePagan | sorry there was an error with your request... sorry there was an error with your request |
| 02:20.40 | Furl | 21:20 | <KarlThePagan> sorry there was an error with your request... sorry there was an error with your request |
| 02:20.41 | Kaydeethree | I've just given up, I'll try to copy tomorrow |
| 02:21.01 | Furl | <-------x--> |
| 02:21.01 | KarlThePagan | I LOVE how it tells you not to use your back button... and then the error page links you javascript:history.go(-1); |
| 02:21.09 | Furl | :D |
| 02:21.21 | Kaydeethree | <3 |
| 02:21.37 | Furl | Meh |
| 02:21.47 | Furl | Almooooost |
| 02:21.57 | Furl | FFXVII MUSICA |
| 02:22.04 | Kaydeethree | 17? |
| 02:22.08 | Furl | Indeed |
| 02:22.09 | Kaydeethree | are we in the 2020s already? |
| 02:22.14 | Furl | Indeed |
| 02:22.25 | ScytheBlade1 | How did that mirror work for everyone who used it? |
| 02:22.25 | Furl | Indeed |
| 02:22.28 | ScytheBlade1 | What speeds did you get? |
| 02:22.36 | Furl | My max dl speed here |
| 02:22.38 | KarlThePagan | 384KiB/s |
| 02:22.42 | Kaydeethree | peaked at 200, as more people started getting on, it started going slower |
| 02:22.46 | Kaydeethree | I'm around 70 atm |
| 02:22.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Odd |
| 02:22.53 | Furl | 153 steady |
| 02:22.56 | ScytheBlade1 | I maxed my line the entire time |
| 02:22.57 | ScytheBlade1 | But eh |
| 02:23.11 | Furl | 154 peak |
| 02:23.13 | Furl | 150 min |
| 02:23.20 | Furl | yay |
| 02:23.47 | Furl | <---------x> |
| 02:24.26 | Furl | Mmmkay |
| 02:24.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Just don't re-link without a space before it in here please <3 |
| 02:24.46 | Furl | Okies. |
| 02:25.21 | Furl | patch-3.MPQ introduced |
| 02:25.24 | MentalPower | without a space before it? |
| 02:25.30 | MentalPower | oh purl's logs, gotcha |
| 02:25.34 | ScytheBlade1 | That way it won't be placed in the logs, yeah |
| 02:26.05 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Osagasu (n=Dune@208.104.156.29) |
| 02:27.25 | ScytheBlade1 | I also update that mirror as the patches come |
| 02:27.28 | ScytheBlade1 | So yeah |
| 02:27.49 | Thunder_Child | huh, i wonder why the realms arent up yet |
| 02:28.18 | Kaydeethree | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2288042218&sid=1 |
| 02:28.54 | Furl | realms prolly not updated |
| 02:29.29 | *** join/#wowi-lounge a-stray-ca1 (n=stray@c-71-197-86-231.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 02:29.38 | Kaydeethree | woot, done |
| 02:29.45 | Kaydeethree | I'll have interface diffs up in a few |
| 02:30.07 | Furl | Oh yes I must extract >.> |
| 02:31.01 | Furl | patch-3.MPQ Size: 337MB |
| 02:31.13 | Furl | 327* |
| 02:33.56 | Kaydeethree | huh, new notice up at the gluescreen |
| 02:34.05 | Kaydeethree | "NOTE: Your video settings have been reset to the default values." |
| 02:34.18 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Antiar1 (n=Antiarc@wsip-70-184-82-98.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 02:34.18 | Furl | Yea. |
| 02:35.56 | Kaydeethree | holy crap |
| 02:36.01 | Kaydeethree | 22.7k lines of diff -ru |
| 02:36.09 | Furl | :OOOOOOO |
| 02:36.18 | Furl | Where'ssat? |
| 02:37.04 | Kaydeethree | New PTR client available! current build: 0.3.0.7382. diffs at http://spyglass-server.com/wowints/2.2.3.7359-0.3.0.7382.diff |
| 02:37.28 | ScytheBlade1 | That's one massive diff |
| 02:37.37 | Kaydeethree | no joke |
| 02:37.49 | Kaydeethree | someone poke bel, wanna get this up on the wdn |
| 02:38.35 | Furl | Yow! |
| 02:39.27 | Furl | That's going to HURT |
| 02:39.34 | Furl | Me specifically >.> |
| 02:39.40 | Thunder_Child | hmm...i think i am going to kill art3mis |
| 02:40.17 | Furl | COP_GET_REALMS code=REALM_LIST_IN_PROGRESS |
| 02:40.56 | Furl | Nice updating there. |
| 02:41.04 | Furl | Never noticed it much |
| 02:41.30 | Kaydeethree | lua> 1440/24 |
| 02:41.30 | cladbot | Kaydeethree: 60 |
| 02:41.51 | Kaydeethree | 12, 24, 48 hour auctions now. hrm |
| 02:42.36 | Thunder_Child | doesnt say if the prices are going to stay the same |
| 02:42.46 | Furl | Sure hope heh |
| 02:42.50 | Kaydeethree | they should |
| 02:42.59 | MentalPower | they did say, and they are |
| 02:43.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | realm list be emptyyyy :/ |
| 02:43.09 | Furl | Ya. |
| 02:43.13 | Thunder_Child | MentalPower, not in the patch notes... |
| 02:43.21 | Thunder_Child | or did i miss it? |
| 02:43.25 | MentalPower | in the EU posts |
| 02:43.30 | Thunder_Child | ah |
| 02:46.17 | Furl | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:46.31 | Furl | Stickies should be anchored in the middle of the page, instead of the top |
| 02:46.33 | Furl | Think. |
| 02:48.31 | Kaydeethree | egah, copy time's up to 2 days now |
| 02:48.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | is it can be warcraftstudio tiem now |
| 02:48.58 | Furl | lol |
| 02:49.22 | Furl | Levelling a charactr might be more effective than waiting 2 days |
| 02:49.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | more howlingfjord files |
| 02:50.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | the fire texture |
| 02:50.51 | Kaydeethree | crap. think the queue's full |
| 02:50.56 | Cidan | lol |
| 02:51.38 | Furl | Kaydeethree, shall we level toons on the PTR? |
| 02:51.58 | Esamynn | which PTR have ppl been copying to? PvE or PvP? |
| 02:53.17 | Nom- | brilliant *sigh* |
| 02:53.24 | Thunder_Child | pvp |
| 02:53.24 | Nom- | Unless there's undocumented changes, they didn't fix Paladins at all |
| 02:53.30 | Thunder_Child | is what i have been hearing |
| 02:54.38 | Nom- | basically, they've buffed out dps output further |
| 02:54.44 | Nom- | and we have 0 threat reduction still |
| 02:54.57 | Nom- | So intead of pushing out 900 tps, i'll probably push out 1000-1100 tps |
| 02:55.18 | Sixen | Copy time is 2 days? |
| 02:55.18 | Sixen | Damn |
| 02:55.24 | Sixen | Can we copy chars now? |
| 02:55.36 | Kaydeethree | if you can get through the 5 pages of hell |
| 02:56.01 | Kaydeethree | "Yes, Copy Me!" |
| 02:56.05 | Kaydeethree | "Hahaha, no." |
| 02:56.17 | Thunder_Child | way cool http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aASuL7RHJHM |
| 02:57.31 | Sixen | PvE server again, right Kd3? |
| 02:57.38 | Kaydeethree | ya |
| 02:57.54 | Sixen | Kay |
| 02:58.01 | Kaydeethree | if I can't get through by 11:30 or so I'm going to give up for the night, though |
| 02:58.15 | Sixen | What? To copy a char, or to get it copied? |
| 02:58.15 | Kaydeethree | I've been fighting with the copy page for half an hour now |
| 02:58.19 | Sixen | Oh |
| 02:58.21 | Kaydeethree | to copy |
| 02:58.23 | Sixen | I hit refresh once and it was good :/ |
| 02:58.40 | Sixen | What the fuck? |
| 02:59.00 | Sixen | I got to the end |
| 02:59.04 | Sixen | and then it SBTA'd |
| 02:59.08 | Sixen | And now i'm back at the beginnign |
| 02:59.11 | Thunder_Child | and, the datamining begins |
| 02:59.14 | Kaydeethree | yup. that's what I've been doing for 30 minutes or so |
| 02:59.15 | Thunder_Child | http://www.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2007/october/zulamanweap.jpg |
| 02:59.33 | Thunder_Child | http://www.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2007/october/engineemount.jpg |
| 02:59.40 | Thunder_Child | http://www.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2007/october/bearmount.jpg |
| 02:59.55 | MentalPower | this is an interesting comment: "-- PlayerMiniArrowEffectFrame is created in code: CWorldMap::CreateMiniPlayerArrowFrame()" |
| 03:00.28 | Furl | Thunder: very nice |
| 03:00.31 | MentalPower | not that we can use that piece of info, but still interesting to note that they have it there |
| 03:05.28 | Kaydeethree | I'm going back to SimTower. queue's full, no point in trying tonight |
| 03:06.47 | Cidan | man |
| 03:06.51 | Cidan | I love the Hammer editor |
| 03:06.57 | Cidan | (HL2) |
| 03:07.38 | Thunder_Child | Cidan, do you know of an uncompiling program for HL2 maps? |
| 03:08.18 | Cidan | for BSP's? |
| 03:08.19 | Cidan | hmm |
| 03:08.21 | Cidan | not sure |
| 03:08.25 | Cidan | I don't think there are any |
| 03:08.29 | Cidan | I could be wrong |
| 03:08.37 | Cidan | look for BSP decompile |
| 03:13.55 | Thunder_Child | Cidan http://www.geocities.com/cofrdrbob/vmex.html |
| 03:14.11 | Thunder_Child | maybe |
| 03:15.04 | Esamynn | interesting, the problem with copying appears to be only with copying to the pve realm, copying to the pvp realm seems to work fine |
| 03:15.21 | MentalPower | I concur with Esamynn |
| 03:15.25 | Esamynn | question is, which one is going to see queues more often |
| 03:15.45 | MentalPower | I spent 30mins trying to copy to the PvE, but the PvP one went thru in the first try |
| 03:17.39 | Esamynn | I'm actually almost willing to bet that pvp will see queues more often than pve will, but that's just a guess |
| 03:17.55 | Furl | I don't want to have my 21 priest doing levelling testing on the PvP realm |
| 03:19.10 | Furl | Okay then. |
| 03:19.34 | Thunder_Child | Esamynn, same |
| 03:21.44 | MentalPower | are the servers up? |
| 03:21.56 | Furl | Oh my mage QQs |
| 03:22.14 | Esamynn | they are |
| 03:22.17 | Nom- | I can't believe they didn't give ret paladins a threat reduction... that's like the #1 problem we have :~( |
| 03:22.49 | Furl | What in god's name just happened? |
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| 03:24.53 | Wobin_ | Nom-: talk to sag_ich_nicht =) |
| 03:26.23 | JoshBorke | rofl nom |
| 03:26.32 | Furl | Oh my god |
| 03:26.36 | Furl | Eversong woods is FULL |
| 03:26.39 | Furl | lol |
| 03:26.42 | Nom- | It's insane... they've increased our threat output by about 100tps |
| 03:26.49 | Nom- | From the change to Crusader strike |
| 03:27.03 | Nom- | Given I'm already putting out 800+ TPS, that's NUTS |
| 03:31.05 | Nom- | Basically, there's not a tank in the game that can keep up with my threat output in ret now |
| 03:31.19 | Nom- | And i'm not even in full epics |
| 03:31.28 | Arrowmaster | eh? |
| 03:31.39 | Arrowmaster | got salv on? |
| 03:32.51 | MentalPower | bah!, PvP world server is down |
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| 03:40.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | i can't even see the ptr realms |
| 03:40.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | :X |
| 03:40.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | aha! |
| 03:43.24 | Thunder_Child | Cidan, well it worked....i just have no idea what i am doing |
| 03:48.43 | Nom- | lol Arrowmaster ... you don't realise just how much threat a ret pally generates, do you? |
| 03:48.56 | Nom- | Every other class, even warriors, have at least some innate threat reduction |
| 03:49.09 | Nom- | Paladin has 0, and has to rely on salv... but it's not enough...i know from experience |
| 03:49.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | enhancement shamans don't either |
| 03:50.16 | Arrowmaster | enchancement shamans are ok with salv though |
| 03:50.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | are they? |
| 03:50.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | theyre just as, if not moreso based around luck than ret pallies |
| 03:50.57 | Esamynn | enchancement shamans do have a threat reduction |
| 03:51.10 | KarlKFI | passive tallent i think |
| 03:51.16 | Esamynn | aye |
| 03:51.29 | KarlKFI | plus totem stacks with salv i think |
| 03:51.36 | Esamynn | and they're doubleing it's effect in 2.3 |
| 03:51.41 | Esamynn | from 15% to 30% |
| 03:51.56 | KarlKFI | totem or the passive? |
| 03:52.17 | Esamynn | passive |
| 03:52.24 | KarlKFI | gay |
| 03:52.27 | Esamynn | the totem is 20% |
| 03:52.57 | Esamynn | so with totem, enchancement shamans can reduce their threat to 56% of normal |
| 03:53.16 | KarlKFI | plus they get salv in a raid |
| 03:53.17 | Esamynn | with salv, it's down to 39.2% of normal |
| 03:54.38 | Esamynn | 49% of normal with salv and the passive talent, which means they probably don't need the totem anyways |
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| 04:03.41 | Nom- | Ya, plus Shamans can have threat reduction AND windfury at the same time |
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| 04:04.16 | Furl | i33333: Fetish of the Primal Gods, Off Hand, 24 STA, 17 INT, 17 spell haste, 37 spell damage |
| 04:04.20 | Arrowmaster | shamans do not drop traqual air |
| 04:04.34 | KarlKFI | but the could! |
| 04:04.35 | Thunder_Child | i dunno, i think icon for chastise should be a powdered pimp hand http://www.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2007/october/23icons.jpg |
| 04:04.37 | KarlKFI | they* |
| 04:04.44 | Thunder_Child | the icon* |
| 04:04.53 | Arrowmaster | if they drop tranquil air they get booted from the raid for not doing their job |
| 04:04.56 | KarlKFI | i have to wear salv, where's the optional there? |
| 04:05.47 | Arrowmaster | i have to wear salv too |
| 04:06.07 | Arrowmaster | and i have -10% for both my talent trees |
| 04:06.07 | Nom- | There |
| 04:06.08 | KarlKFI | yes, but your doesn't oclude windfury |
| 04:06.12 | Nom- | Shamans right now have -15% threat |
| 04:06.15 | Arrowmaster | im a warlock |
| 04:06.19 | Nom- | Spirit Weapons |
| 04:07.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | so let me examine the pally trees |
| 04:08.20 | Thunder_Child | Unconfirmed: "It seems that there is an undocumented new skill for hunters : Disarming Shot." |
| 04:08.32 | Nom- | Hmmm... |
| 04:08.59 | Nom- | That's what i'm hoping... the threat reduction is undocumented |
| 04:09.09 | Nom- | As well as all the gear changes.. removing the reliance on spell dmg |
| 04:09.12 | Nom- | Because that really sucks right now |
| 04:09.16 | KarlKFI | they added a new super rare weapon chain, of course they have to give disarm to every hunter |
| 04:11.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | maybe they could make sanctified judgement a 5 point talent that gave 20% chance to proc the judgement mana return per point, and 6% threat reduction per point |
| 04:11.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | or something |
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| 04:13.06 | KarlKFI | hell id take 3% |
| 04:13.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | or just add it to fanaticism and leave sancjudge alone |
| 04:13.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | or hell |
| 04:13.52 | KarlKFI | 2h weapon specialization imo |
| 04:14.08 | KarlKFI | less agro to 2h dmg |
| 04:14.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | blessing of salv is a prot skill, hrm |
| 04:14.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | they could make it ret |
| 04:15.04 | KarlKFI | nah it's prot |
| 04:15.16 | KarlKFI | i know! put it instead of imp might |
| 04:15.38 | KarlKFI | course then you cant might tanks |
| 04:16.01 | KarlKFI | but it'd make imp might raid desirable |
| 04:16.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | and make a 1 pt and a requirement for sanc crusader |
| 04:16.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | that also decreases your own threat by an additional 15-30% if you have salv on |
| 04:16.52 | Nom- | Nah, its pointless to make judgement damage reduce threat |
| 04:16.58 | Nom- | That accounts for MAYBE 3% of our DPS |
| 04:17.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | who said that |
| 04:17.14 | Nom- | So, sorry, 6% reduction of 3% dps is nothing |
| 04:17.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | i mean a full on passive one |
| 04:17.28 | KarlKFI | what are you talking about nom |
| 04:17.39 | Nom- | 12:18 < Mr_Rabies2> maybe they could make sanctified judgement a 5 point talent that gave 20% chance to proc the judgement mana return per point, and 6% threat reduction per point |
| 04:17.48 | Nom- | Nah, it doesn't make sense to put it there either |
| 04:17.53 | KarlKFI | he didn't say just for judgements |
| 04:17.54 | Nom- | Because that's a talent you pick up for Prot too |
| 04:18.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | did i say reduction on judgements |
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| 04:18.11 | Nom- | Nah, the place to put it is 2-handed weapon spec |
| 04:18.14 | Zxcvb | is anyone here having problems connecting to some realms? |
| 04:18.20 | Nom- | And apparently it's been put there, according to some earlier leaked changes |
| 04:18.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | prot tanks go 31 ret? |
| 04:18.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | or 34 |
| 04:19.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | i suppose 2h weap wouldn't hurt but i dunno |
| 04:20.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'd say make it at least 21 pt |
| 04:20.05 | KarlKFI | no one ret dps's 1h |
| 04:20.07 | KarlKFI | i tried |
| 04:20.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | well yeah |
| 04:20.15 | KarlKFI | it's only good for holy dps |
| 04:20.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | but i mean, it's already a pretty nice talent |
| 04:20.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm trying to improve otherwise meh talents or make it a requirement for an awesome talent |
| 04:20.50 | KarlKFI | crusade :) |
| 04:22.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's a bit too far down in the tree and on an already busy tier |
| 04:23.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | oops i was thinking it was a tier further up |
| 04:23.11 | KarlKFI | swap precision with deflection and put it in precision :) |
| 04:23.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | i think making it a requirement for sanc crusader would be awesome |
| 04:23.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | do prot takns really go that far into ret? |
| 04:23.56 | KarlKFI | yes |
| 04:24.01 | KarlKFI | for 5% parry, hell yes |
| 04:24.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | nono |
| 04:24.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | sanc crusader |
| 04:24.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | making it a requirement for an awesome talent would do two things |
| 04:25.16 | Nom- | I do like the stamina fixes |
| 04:25.31 | KarlKFI | for prot, yes |
| 04:25.39 | Nom- | My prot pally will finally catch up to Warriors in hitpoint values (except for Taurens, but they're OP anyway) |
| 04:25.44 | KarlKFI | ya |
| 04:25.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | 1) make the morons that want to go ret be forced to control their threat |
| 04:25.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | the morons |
| 04:26.02 | KarlKFI | i think i'll hit 13k self buffed |
| 04:26.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | not all the ret players :o |
| 04:26.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | the ones that just want HI DAMUJ |
| 04:26.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | then again that's a good reason to put it on 2h weap |
| 04:29.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | what stamina fix, Nom-? |
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| 04:34.29 | Kaydeethree | lua>8964/6 |
| 04:34.29 | cladbot | Kaydeethree: 1494 |
| 04:37.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | you know |
| 04:37.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2007/october/bearmount.jpg |
| 04:37.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm almost happy they didn't decide to armor dire bear form |
| 04:37.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | after seeing that |
| 04:37.55 | Zxcvb | is anyone here on madoran? |
| 04:38.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | i didn't even know that was a server until today |
| 04:38.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | what the heck is madoran anyway, i've never heard of it |
| 04:39.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | ohh, father of the brothers bronzebeard |
| 04:39.29 | Zxcvb | a WoW realm |
| 04:40.02 | Zxcvb | which for some reason hangs on the connected message and won't get the character data |
| 04:40.21 | Corrodias | i just got SUPER laggy during murmur |
| 04:41.45 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Saint-N (n=art3mis@pool-162-84-249-119.ny5030.east.verizon.net) |
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| 04:42.46 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+o Iriel] by ChanServ |
| 04:42.55 | Zxcvb | looks like the dallas datacenter has problems |
| 04:46.52 | Zxcvb | Corrodias: what realm? |
| 04:51.57 | Furl | Anyway. |
| 04:53.47 | Furl | lua> random(0,10) |
| 04:53.47 | cladbot | Furl: 4, |
| 04:53.50 | Corrodias | eldre'thalas inside shadow lab. i was the only one affected, but it was like it took 20 seconds for MY commands to get to the server while all the other people's movements got to me immediately |
| 04:53.50 | Furl | lua> random(0,10) |
| 04:53.51 | cladbot | Furl: 8, |
| 04:53.55 | Corrodias | a relog solved it |
| 04:54.11 | Furl | lua> random(100) |
| 04:54.12 | cladbot | Furl: 20, |
| 04:54.26 | Furl | No good randomness today it seems |
| 04:54.33 | Furl | lua> random(100) |
| 04:54.33 | cladbot | Furl: 77, |
| 04:56.18 | Corrodias | lua> random(100) |
| 04:56.18 | cladbot | Corrodias: 56, |
| 04:56.30 | Furl | lua> 2^6 --Perhaps? |
| 04:56.30 | cladbot | Furl: 64 |
| 04:56.42 | Furl | lua> random(100) |
| 04:56.42 | cladbot | Furl: 63, |
| 04:56.47 | Furl | Bwuuuhahaha |
| 04:56.56 | Furl | lua> "Bwuuuuhahahah" |
| 04:56.56 | cladbot | Furl: Bwuuuuhahahah |
| 04:57.45 | Furl | I think that really defeats the purpose :/ |
| 04:58.07 | Thunder_Child | wow...some of the new items are quite nice |
| 04:58.38 | Furl | Indeed |
| 04:58.38 | Furl | Been mining for them... jesus though |
| 04:58.38 | Thunder_Child | 10 pages worth @ http://www.mmo-champion.com/ |
| 04:59.35 | Thunder_Child | seems to be lots of +healing gear with +crit |
| 05:01.20 | Furl | lua> string.byte("a" |
| 05:01.20 | cladbot | Furl: sandbox.lua:285: Compilation failed: [string "string.byte("a""]:1: ')' expected near '<eof>' |
| 05:01.22 | Furl | lua> string.byte("a") |
| 05:01.22 | cladbot | Furl: 97, |
| 05:01.41 | Iriel | You didn't have to look that up did you? |
| 05:02.05 | Iriel | 65 / 97 should be things you can recite from memory! |
| 05:02.37 | Iriel | (as well as 32, 48, 10, and 13) |
| 05:02.44 | Furl | Just testing available functions on the bot |
| 05:03.15 | MentalPower | pretty much everything except os. i believe |
| 05:03.26 | MentalPower | lua> tostring(os) |
| 05:03.26 | cladbot | MentalPower: table: 0x80b48c8, |
| 05:03.36 | Furl | :O |
| 05:03.48 | Cairenn | Iriel: you missed a really good one earlier today |
| 05:03.49 | MentalPower | lua> for k in pairs(os) do print(k) end |
| 05:03.49 | cladbot | MentalPower: clock, time, date |
| 05:03.57 | MentalPower | ah, nothing bad from os |
| 05:04.03 | Cairenn | (11:57:34 AM) cladhaire: lua> 32 * 5 |
| 05:04.03 | Cairenn | (11:57:34 AM) cladbot: cladhaire: 160 |
| 05:04.03 | Cairenn | (11:58:30 AM) Cairenn: cladhaire: you needed a calculator for that?! |
| 05:04.03 | Cairenn | (11:58:43 AM) cladhaire: no |
| 05:04.03 | Cairenn | (11:58:49 AM) cladhaire: but it was easier, and with the flow of thought :P |
| 05:04.04 | Cairenn | (11:59:00 AM) ***Cairenn teases cladhaire |
| 05:04.32 | Furl | lua> string.byte("é") |
| 05:04.32 | cladbot | Furl: 233, |
| 05:04.37 | Furl | 130/233 |
| 05:04.53 | Furl | Base conversion in lua? |
| 05:05.02 | Furl | any predefined functions for it? |
| 05:05.06 | Furl | or the hard way? |
| 05:05.27 | Furl | ((Completely new to lua)) |
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| 05:07.59 | Iriel | lua> return tonumber('3e', 16) |
| 05:07.59 | cladbot | Iriel: 62 |
| 05:08.12 | Furl | decimal to hex though? |
| 05:08.37 | Furl | lua> local n = 3 |
| 05:08.37 | cladbot | Furl: |
| 05:08.45 | Furl | lua> print(n) |
| 05:08.45 | cladbot | Furl: nil |
| 05:09.02 | Iriel | lua> return string.format("%x", 62) |
| 05:09.02 | cladbot | Iriel: 3e |
| 05:09.12 | Furl | Petty |
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| 05:09.56 | Furl | lua> string.format('%x", tonumber(string.byte("a") ) ) |
| 05:09.56 | cladbot | Furl: sandbox.lua:285: Compilation failed: [string "string.format('%x", tonumber(string.byte("a") ) )"]:1: unfinished string near '<eof>' |
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| 05:10.03 | Furl | ya, show me syntax |
| 05:10.10 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+o dolby-wowi] by ChanServ |
| 05:10.28 | Iriel | You can't open a string with ' and close it with " |
| 05:10.34 | Furl | lua> string.format("%x", tonumber(string.byte("a") ) ) |
| 05:10.34 | cladbot | Furl: 61, |
| 05:10.36 | Furl | Doh |
| 05:10.42 | Furl | lol |
| 05:10.48 | Furl | Didn't even see it |
| 05:11.05 | ScytheBlade1 | ~points 1517 |
| 05:11.06 | purl | points at 1517 and cries "STOUTERIK" at the top of his voice |
| 05:11.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm |
| 05:11.13 | Furl | what about say binary? |
| 05:11.16 | ScytheBlade1 | What's the command to get rating? |
| 05:11.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Total points per your rating? |
| 05:11.48 | Furl | ~points scythe |
| 05:11.48 | purl | points at scythe and cries "STOUTERIK" at the top of his voice |
| 05:12.03 | Furl | !pts 1517 |
| 05:12.08 | Furl | !points 1517 |
| 05:12.08 | Xinhuan | You cannot get more than 1511 arena points per week (5v5 points cap). |
| 05:12.26 | Furl | !points 1510 |
| 05:12.26 | Xinhuan | 1510 arena points require 3354(5s), INF(3s) and INF(2s) team rating. (Formula updated 26 Sept!) |
| 05:12.31 | ScytheBlade1 | There we go |
| 05:12.34 | ScytheBlade1 | !rating 1517 |
| 05:12.34 | Xinhuan | 1517 rating gives 363(5s), 319(3s) and 276(2s) arena points. (Formula updated 26 Sept!) (Use !points for inverse calc) |
| 05:12.46 | Furl | !rating 343 |
| 05:12.47 | Xinhuan | 343 rating gives 89(5s), 79(3s) and 68(2s) arena points. (Formula updated 26 Sept!) (Use !points for inverse calc) |
| 05:13.09 | Furl | !rating 2000 |
| 05:13.09 | Xinhuan | 2000 rating gives 1055(5s), 928(3s) and 802(2s) arena points. (Formula updated 26 Sept!) (Use !points for inverse calc) |
| 05:14.44 | Furl | lua> string.format("%c%c%c", 76,117,97) |
| 05:14.45 | cladbot | Furl: Lua, |
| 05:15.44 | lua | lua> "\"heh\"" |
| 05:15.44 | cladbot | lua: "heh" |
| 05:16.21 | furl | Trying to make it accept its own saying for a lua> thing |
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| 05:16.38 | furl | lua "think" |
| 05:16.45 | furl | Okay must be lua> |
| 05:16.56 | Sixen | I don't even see any PTR servers up :/ |
| 05:17.40 | furl | Nay |
| 05:18.19 | furl | Tried %lt; |
| 05:18.21 | furl | >.> |
| 05:18.26 | Sixen | =o |
| 05:18.29 | furl | < * |
| 05:19.10 | furl | Hmm |
| 05:19.24 | furl | Ctrl+N... >.> |
| 05:19.33 | furl | like that |
| 05:19.39 | furl | :O |
| 05:19.43 | furl | What was that? |
| 05:19.51 | furl | What was that? |
| 05:19.58 | furl | Interesting |
| 05:20.28 | furl | Makes my cursor go backwards too |
| 05:20.42 | Saint-N | boobies |
| 05:20.43 | Saint-N | yay |
| 05:20.46 | Saint-N | \o/ |
| 05:20.47 | furl | boobies |
| 05:20.49 | furl | yay |
| 05:21.01 | Saint-N | boobies! |
| 05:21.08 | furl | boobies! |
| 05:21.15 | Saint-N | gotta put the same control after for it to close and register right |
| 05:21.26 | Saint-N | boooobbbiiie! |
| 05:21.27 | Corrodias | tell me if you can access this: http://corrodias.no-ip.org |
| 05:21.44 | furl | quote: |
| 05:21.45 | furl | non-pornfolder10/11/2007 9:17:26 PM454 |
| 05:21.46 | Corrodias | looks like you can |
| 05:21.53 | Saint-N | harry potter audio books jerk non-porn |
| 05:22.01 | Saint-N | hehe love the dir titles |
| 05:22.10 | furl | http://corrodias.no-ip.org/current_UI.jpg |
| 05:22.20 | Saint-N | oh and michael jackson smooth criminal moonwalk version! |
| 05:22.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | whoa calm down |
| 05:22.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | your text is all |
| 05:22.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | white backgrounded |
| 05:22.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | :o |
| 05:22.42 | furl | ORLY? |
| 05:22.50 | Corrodias | you mean LIKE THIS? |
| 05:22.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | YARLY |
| 05:22.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | oops |
| 05:23.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | forgot bold |
| 05:23.02 | Saint-N | what about this? |
| 05:23.11 | furl | what about this?!?!?!?! |
| 05:23.22 | Saint-N | Corrodias: you play with that UI at that res? |
| 05:24.11 | Corrodias | yes |
| 05:24.14 | Saint-N | wow |
| 05:24.19 | furl | heh |
| 05:24.23 | Corrodias | normally the character pane is not open |
| 05:24.24 | Saint-N | you've got the eye control of a titan! |
| 05:24.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | aaaaaaahhhhhhhhh |
| 05:24.58 | furl | http://corrodias.no-ip.org/1154338193759.png |
| 05:25.01 | furl | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:25.03 | furl | rofl |
| 05:25.44 | furl | I like typing like this for some reason.... |
| 05:26.00 | Corrodias | information doesn't pop out at me, it's true. it more... sits there for if i want to look for it |
| 05:26.07 | Cairenn | I don't like you typing like that |
| 05:26.08 | furl | abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz |
| 05:26.29 | furl | I LIKE p |
| 05:26.37 | Cairenn | I OP :p |
| 05:26.57 | Saint-N | ooo op me! |
| 05:27.02 | Saint-N | ive got a witty kick! |
| 05:27.07 | furl | x€ó1111110 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 €0!0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 €Î€D0!€½€0€ï€H€Ì0!€…0 010!0 0 €†0#0 0!€Ô0"€80 €@€¿0<0 0!0 0 0 |
| 05:27.12 | Fisker- | OH HI |
| 05:27.14 | *** kick/#wowi-lounge [furl!n=Cairenn@MMOI/Administratrix/Cairenn] by Cairenn (Cairenn) |
| 05:27.14 | *** join/#wowi-lounge furl (n=Furl@adsl-1-97-97.bna.bellsouth.net) |
| 05:27.15 | Fisker- | ~fail furl |
| 05:27.16 | purl | furl: Fail. |
| 05:27.23 | furl | What was that? |
| 05:27.28 | furl | I have no idea. |
| 05:27.32 | Saint-N | that was a kick for you being retarded |
| 05:27.35 | Cairenn | that was me making a point |
| 05:27.37 | furl | What did I do? |
| 05:27.44 | furl | I don't know what it came out like |
| 05:27.45 | Saint-N | its what you werent doiong |
| 05:27.52 | Saint-N | you werent typing normally ;) |
| 05:27.57 | furl | Kay. |
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| 05:28.15 | Cairenn | people don't appreciate it when others in channel use funky type (bold, colours, etc) |
| 05:28.27 | furl | I click buttons and shiny things come out, I have no idea what it looks like on the other end. |
| 05:28.37 | Saint-N | tickle licks even |
| 05:28.58 | furl | Maybe I should stop pressing buttons |
| 05:29.06 | Saint-N | are you also the black wizard who casts spells that make people fall down? |
| 05:29.10 | Cairenn | it gets on everyone's nerves, I've had people bitch to me before when others are doing it, so ... just don't do it and everyone gets along :) |
| 05:29.19 | Cairenn | Saint-N: lol |
| 05:29.33 | furl | lua> "Sorry Cairenn, we both love you!" |
| 05:29.33 | cladbot | furl: Sorry Cairenn, we both love you! |
| 05:29.36 | Corrodias | 8,7i am funky? |
| 05:29.42 | Saint-N | im not sure how a tickle kick leads to a mock kitty bath so i had to correcct it ;P |
| 05:29.45 | Cairenn | Corrodias: don't make me hurt you |
| 05:29.55 | Cairenn | furl: apology accepted |
| 05:30.02 | Saint-N | laugh |
| 05:30.15 | Saint-N | i almost typed /me mounts Corrodias on his lawn. |
| 05:30.15 | furl | lua> "\<\3" |
| 05:30.16 | cladbot | furl: < |
| 05:30.22 | Cairenn | HAH! |
| 05:30.25 | Saint-N | then realize just HOW out of context that could sound |
| 05:30.26 | furl | Bah \3 doesn't escape! |
| 05:33.34 | Corrodias | a-wake me up before you go-go, don't leave me hanging on like a yo-yo |
| 05:34.00 | Corrodias | wake me up before you go-go, i don't wanna miss it when you hit that high |
| 05:34.37 | Corrodias | JITTERBUG |
| 05:35.34 | furl | If that is "non-porn" I really don't think I want to see your porn |
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| 05:36.50 | Corrodias | well, it's not all "not porn" so much as that i saved it for some reason other than erotic value |
| 05:36.56 | Corrodias | couldn't think of a better name |
| 05:37.21 | furl | Decent enough |
| 05:38.14 | furl | ~seen Doughnut |
| 05:38.15 | purl | furl: i haven't seen 'doughnut' |
| 05:38.30 | furl | ~seen TimRikers |
| 05:38.31 | purl | furl: i haven't seen 'timrikers' |
| 05:39.02 | MentalPower | are the PTR servers still down? |
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| 05:39.21 | furl | lua> tostring(1) |
| 05:39.22 | cladbot | furl: 1, |
| 05:39.40 | furl | MP: My sources say.... Yes. |
| 05:40.16 | Kaydeethree | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2366566988&postId=23663640398&sid=1 |
| 05:40.45 | Thunder_Child | ~8ball |
| 05:40.45 | purl | ACTION rolls the eight ball and gets: Most likely |
| 05:41.22 | furl | http://corrodias.no-ip.org/non-porn/1130766285999.gif |
| 05:41.28 | furl | That's great |
| 05:42.03 | furl | quote: |
| 05:42.04 | furl | An error was encountered while processing your request |
| 05:42.05 | Thunder_Child | "Like 200 fat kids running through a gnome size door at the same time." well that causes an interesting mental image |
| 05:42.05 | furl | [Posting not allowed in internal/read-only forum type] |
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| 05:44.00 | furl | lua> random(1231451905)^0 |
| 05:44.01 | cladbot | furl: 1 |
| 05:44.25 | furl | Sadly, we may never know the randomness that ever existed in those electrons |
| 05:44.33 | furl | pseudo*-randomness |
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| 05:44.57 | bleeter | cogwheel: was in reference to forumtocposter, and how 'bad' it 'worked' under fedora, it's an acknoledged out of date Mono install, and action's being taken by the Fedora maintainers to bring it up to date |
| 05:47.37 | Fisker- | forumtocposter? |
| 05:47.56 | furl | defating the purpose: |
| 05:47.58 | furl | lua> string.format("%c%c%c", string.byte("h"),string.byte("e"),string.byte("y")) |
| 05:47.59 | cladbot | furl: hey, |
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| 05:51.24 | Corrodias | my friend just installed wowaceupdater but says his list of addons is blank |
| 05:51.37 | furl | Bad dir? |
| 05:51.47 | Corrodias | it's on standard view, he reloaded index... |
| 05:51.49 | Corrodias | bad dir? |
| 05:52.14 | furl | Registry not matching with WoW Directory |
| 05:52.17 | Guillotine | Please bump: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2288041408&sid=1 |
| 05:52.29 | Corrodias | wait, he has no WTF folder right now because he didn't login again |
| 05:52.31 | Cairenn | ah ha! it's a Guillotine! |
| 05:52.41 | Guillotine | Cair: I can't find the site :( I'll keep looking |
| 05:52.46 | Cairenn | okay |
| 05:53.12 | Cairenn | thanks Guillotine :) |
| 05:53.13 | furl | Bumped |
| 05:53.21 | Guillotine | furl: ty much ^_^ |
| 05:53.26 | furl | My post was just some bullshit so don't argue with it |
| 05:53.28 | furl | :P |
| 05:55.14 | furl | Thanks Corr I assume? |
| 05:56.16 | Corrodias | probably |
| 05:57.01 | furl | What do you want it for anyway Guillotine? |
| 05:57.07 | furl | Just a question |
| 05:57.27 | Thunder_Child | furl, it was answered in the post |
| 05:57.40 | furl | Bah I'm an idiot sorry |
| 05:57.51 | Guillotine | furl: initiating a LoD addon based on level |
| 05:58.30 | furl | Yes. |
| 05:58.36 | furl | Like Lightheaded for example |
| 05:58.40 | Guillotine | exactly :) |
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| 05:59.18 | Guillotine | but one that needs to have the correct one loaded right away rather than originally being inactive until the quest log is loaded |
| 05:59.28 | Nom- | http://www.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2007/october/newloots7.jpg |
| 05:59.34 | Nom- | wow... i'll be getting some of that |
| 05:59.37 | furl | You could just store character levels but that' skinda painful for just LoD. |
| 06:00.55 | Nom- | I'll be buying Unwavering Legguards immediately after release, I think |
| 06:00.58 | Nom- | They're awesome |
| 06:01.27 | furl | heh |
| 06:01.57 | Guillotine | furl: then you need to wait on variables loaded too |
| 06:02.23 | furl | Aaaah |
| 06:02.30 | Guillotine | furl: also, then if people level on another computer, its messed upo |
| 06:02.34 | Guillotine | messed up* |
| 06:02.51 | Nom- | wow...they're huge upgrades |
| 06:02.52 | furl | True, but that seems the rarer case, but what you said first anyway |
| 06:03.06 | Guillotine | at least for me its not rare :P |
| 06:03.07 | furl | Nom-: I know they said "a noch above kara"?! :D |
| 06:03.07 | Cairenn|afk | night guys |
| 06:03.16 | Thunder_Child | night Cairenn|afk |
| 06:03.20 | Fisker- | the healing plate boots on mmo-champion = winrar |
| 06:03.22 | furl | Night cairenn |
| 06:03.23 | Thunder_Child | this makes me so sad... "23:02:59 [S] <16:Verixa>: i would pwn u, with 3 types of fear and mega DOT POWER!" |
| 06:03.38 | furl | '/cry |
| 06:03.39 | Fisker- | though now they're, yet again, nerfing our healing we'll probably have to reevaluate again |
| 06:03.42 | furl | 16? |
| 06:03.45 | furl | :/ |
| 06:04.00 | Thunder_Child | ya, duel between me and her |
| 06:04.10 | Fisker- | i could always reroll ret and whine about threat reduction though |
| 06:04.15 | furl | mm |
| 06:05.03 | furl | http://www.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2007/october/newloots5.jpg |
| 06:09.35 | Nom- | the wow... mmo-champion = slow as right now |
| 06:09.46 | Nom- | But no.. that loot from the heroic badge vendor |
| 06:09.57 | Nom- | Some of that stuff is better than Kara, such that i'm not going to bother going back there |
| 06:10.03 | furl | Heh |
| 06:10.12 | furl | Heroics ftw now I guess |
| 06:10.13 | Nom- | Since the only thing i'm chasing from Kara is actually tank legs |
| 06:10.15 | Nom- | There's no point |
| 06:10.48 | Corrodias | hey. i just got disconnected for no reason. that's rather rude. |
| 06:11.01 | Thunder_Child | ~rude Corrodias |
| 06:11.07 | Thunder_Child | ... |
| 06:11.10 | Corrodias | World Server is DOwn |
| 06:11.11 | Thunder_Child | >< |
| 06:11.14 | Corrodias | i guess that explains it |
| 06:11.45 | furl | agh |
| 06:11.47 | Nom- | Anyone got a Paladin on the PTR yet ? |
| 06:16.26 | Nom- | ooo that one skipped by... |
| 06:16.34 | Nom- | we get 8% crit from talents now instead of 5% |
| 06:18.07 | Corrodias | and +1% crit from racials instead of +3% hit on raid bosses |
| 06:18.09 | Kody- | [23:09] <Nom-> Some of that stuff is better than Kara, such that i'm not going to bother going back there - go there to get your heroic badges ;) |
| 06:19.04 | Kody- | btw, world of raids is a bit more stable if you want to check out images there |
| 06:19.25 | Kody- | has badge costs and such on everything too |
| 06:21.18 | furl | Holy crap @ that wand |
| 06:22.04 | furl | Oh yea, it's heroic time |
| 06:22.42 | Nom- | woot |
| 06:22.47 | Nom- | 75 badges for the pants, i can get that :) |
| 06:22.57 | furl | hehehehehehe |
| 06:23.31 | Wobin_ | >< |
| 06:23.31 | Nom- | for 75 stamina, some insane block and other defense stats AND 3 gem slots |
| 06:23.35 | Nom- | I think I can organise that |
| 06:23.42 | Wobin_ | Nyn'jah's Tabi boots? =P |
| 06:24.14 | Nom- | http://www.worldofraids.com/news/october/2.3/items/new-heroic-plate1.jpg <-- Unwavering Legguards, Girdle of the Protector |
| 06:24.18 | Nom- | I'll get both of those |
| 06:24.37 | Nom- | 110 badges total needed :D |
| 06:24.43 | Wobin_ | get grinding =) |
| 06:24.47 | Wobin_ | anyway |
| 06:24.51 | Wobin_ | You'd keep doing kara |
| 06:24.54 | Wobin_ | for the badges =) |
| 06:24.59 | Wobin_ | and the void crystals |
| 06:27.21 | Wobin_ | jesus. |
| 06:27.25 | Wobin_ | 175dps on a wand |
| 06:27.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | thats almost as much dps as i do in bear form |
| 06:27.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | :[ |
| 06:28.16 | Wobin_ | on a 1.50 speed wand too |
| 06:28.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | perfect speed |
| 06:28.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | lines up with gcd |
| 06:28.34 | Wobin_ | yeah |
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| 06:34.26 | Nom- | omg nerf shamans |
| 06:34.35 | Nom- | Shamans now get a 51% threat reduction with JUST salv!!!! |
| 06:35.15 | Corrodias | druids, rogues, mages... |
| 06:37.28 | Thunder_Child | so much bitching |
| 06:37.44 | Fisker- | I WANT MY HEALING BACK |
| 06:37.57 | Fisker- | madness, unacceptable, blasphemy and so forth |
| 06:38.52 | Nom- | The "leaked" changes a while back must be true then |
| 06:38.59 | Nom- | We're getting 25% on 2-hander spec |
| 06:39.20 | Nom- | I just don't see them making such significant changes to threat reductions on EVERYONE |
| 06:39.27 | Nom- | and completely neglecting Paladin |
| 06:39.42 | Esamynn | Nom-: yep, I calculated that already ;) |
| 06:39.44 | Thunder_Child | http://www.wowhead.com/?latest=additions |
| 06:39.51 | Esamynn | but only if they are enchancement |
| 06:40.35 | Nom- | Yeah, well Enhance is the only build comparable to Ret Paladin |
| 06:41.00 | Nom- | Elemental Shaman can be approximated to Oomkin Druid |
| 06:42.52 | Thunder_Child | *sigh* i keep reading "Achromic Trousers of the Naaru" as Atomic Trousers of the Naaru |
| 06:43.19 | Nom- | lol |
| 06:43.25 | Saint-N | radioactive rubber pants! |
| 06:43.37 | Furl | "Atomic Trousers of the Naaru" |
| 06:43.40 | Furl | That's nice. |
| 06:43.43 | Nom- | I do like that I can now hit Karazhan on my Mage and work towards other lewt from heroic vendors |
| 06:45.04 | Nom- | wow the patch is only 133mb |
| 06:45.11 | Nom- | that's perdy small for a new dungeon |
| 06:45.36 | Furl | textures, half the map was there |
| 06:46.02 | Saint-N | what new dungeon? |
| 06:46.35 | Nom- | Aul'Aman |
| 06:46.37 | Nom- | err |
| 06:46.38 | Nom- | Zul'Aman |
| 06:46.52 | Saint-N | wher was that in the world? |
| 06:47.18 | Saint-N | or ven better where's it gonna be ;) |
| 06:47.27 | Thunder_Child | ghostlands |
| 06:47.41 | Wobin_ | What's that place north of the Hinterlands? |
| 06:47.53 | Saint-N | water? |
| 06:47.53 | Nom- | err... EPL ? |
| 06:48.02 | Corrodias | EPL, yes |
| 06:48.04 | Wobin_ | nono, there's a troll zone |
| 06:48.16 | Nom- | umm |
| 06:48.28 | Wobin_ | Once you cross the river at that bridge place |
| 06:48.33 | Nom- | oh |
| 06:48.35 | Wobin_ | or maybe dragonkin zone |
| 06:48.40 | Saint-N | thats dragon kin |
| 06:48.41 | Nom- | It's a dragon area |
| 06:48.44 | Nom- | one of the world dragons |
| 06:48.51 | Saint-N | the troll place is south side of the road near the coast |
| 06:48.51 | sag_ich_nicht | hi |
| 06:48.54 | sag_ich_nicht | did i mention? |
| 06:48.54 | Nom- | Good spot to farm Mithril btw |
| 06:48.56 | sag_ich_nicht | THREAT REDUCTION |
| 06:49.04 | Wobin_ | sag_ich_nicht: By golly you haven't! |
| 06:49.04 | Nom- | sag_ich_nicht: wtb! |
| 06:49.07 | Wobin_ | You'd better do so |
| 06:49.09 | Saint-N | ooooooooohhhhhhh |
| 06:49.17 | sag_ich_nicht | Nom-: yeah SAME HERE |
| 06:49.20 | Saint-N | zul'aman is going in that corner with the troll tribes? |
| 06:49.36 | Nom- | sag_ich_nicht: I've come to the decision it's an intentional omission because they haven't finalised the percentage |
| 06:49.45 | sag_ich_nicht | no you don't |
| 06:49.47 | sag_ich_nicht | they lied |
| 06:49.54 | sag_ich_nicht | there is nothing in the PTR client |
| 06:50.11 | Corrodias | i'm going to petition to have Q moved between V and W. |
| 06:50.13 | sag_ich_nicht | i can't wait for the EU CMs to get to work and see their forums basicially taken to shit |
| 06:50.14 | Nom- | Have you actually logged in to check the tooltips of the ret tree ? |
| 06:50.28 | sag_ich_nicht | Nom-: i can't install the PTR client and am at work |
| 06:50.39 | Nom- | sag_ich_nicht: I'm downloading it now via remote desktop |
| 06:50.44 | sag_ich_nicht | (the installer is buggy for me, nobody knows why) |
| 06:50.48 | Nom- | 2 minutes let |
| 06:50.50 | Nom- | *left |
| 06:50.56 | Saint-N | it knows yer a jerk sag ;) |
| 06:51.02 | Nom- | Are the talents store in the UI anywhere ? |
| 06:51.06 | sag_ich_nicht | Saint-N: so does your mom |
| 06:51.15 | Nom- | Like could I pull out all the tooltip text without logging into game ? |
| 06:51.20 | sag_ich_nicht | Nom-: probably |
| 06:51.22 | Saint-N | technically yes |
| 06:51.42 | Saint-N | "ill tell you how" no |
| 06:51.57 | Saint-N | although if i time it right it could be just in time for clad to wake and rant ;P |
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| 06:53.58 | Furl | Holy hell |
| 07:01.30 | Saint-N | okay how the hell did i get "jesus loves me this i know, cuz the bible tells me so" stuck in my head |
| 07:03.01 | Maldivia | ok... I wasn't going to spend the 2k on a new epic mount... but after seeing screenshots, I think I will... damn |
| 07:03.58 | Wobin_ | Maldivia: The hyppogryph? |
| 07:04.26 | Wobin_ | or the blind bear? |
| 07:05.40 | sag_ich_nicht | Nom-: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2287952739&pageNo=5&sid=1#86 |
| 07:05.41 | sag_ich_nicht | wow |
| 07:05.54 | sag_ich_nicht | blizzard is, in fact, retarded, and specificially drysc is. |
| 07:06.13 | sag_ich_nicht | he linked the very posting kalgan delete in one of his own posts a few weeks ago |
| 07:06.17 | Maldivia | Wobin_: the hyppo |
| 07:06.17 | sag_ich_nicht | ABOUT threat reduction |
| 07:07.01 | Wobin_ | Maldivia: I dunno, I don't think they're that impressive |
| 07:07.46 | Maldivia | Wobin: I like the white a purple ones |
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| 07:08.48 | Maldivia | Wobin: but too bad they didn't went for enginnering flying mounts, like showcased in a dark legacy comic :| |
| 07:08.58 | Wobin_ | Agreed |
| 07:09.06 | Wobin_ | wait |
| 07:09.07 | Wobin_ | they did |
| 07:09.09 | Wobin_ | with the plane |
| 07:09.19 | Wobin_ | kinda |
| 07:09.22 | Maldivia | well, was thinking of the flying cap |
| 07:10.33 | Wobin_ | I hope so |
| 07:10.38 | sag_ich_nicht | nope. |
| 07:10.42 | Wobin_ | that sucks |
| 07:10.50 | Wobin_ | it goes against the whole spirit of engineering |
| 07:10.54 | Nom- | Anyone know if they nerfed the stamina bonus on the improved bubble along with the changes to weapon expertise ? |
| 07:11.11 | Wobin_ | Nom-: I wouldn't be surprised =P |
| 07:11.13 | Iriel | Anyone here played Portal? Specifically the advanced maps? and specifically the final advanced map? |
| 07:11.33 | Wobin_ | Pkekyo was playing it |
| 07:11.34 | Nom- | If they didn't, then prot pallies get a 16% stamina bonus from talents >< |
| 07:11.44 | Maldivia | Iriel: haven't reached the final advanced yet, nope: | |
| 07:11.54 | Iriel | I'm stuck 8-( |
| 07:12.01 | Maldivia | Iriel: but otherwise, great fun :) |
| 07:12.10 | Iriel | Yeah, the reward for finishing is groovy |
| 07:12.13 | Iriel | I enjoyed it anyway |
| 07:12.21 | Maldivia | yeah :) |
| 07:12.34 | Maldivia | too bad the initial game was sooo short |
| 07:12.46 | Wobin_ | Maldivia: how's that work? |
| 07:12.56 | Iriel | I view it as a delicious dessert to go with the HL2:2 main course |
| 07:13.20 | Maldivia | but still, 2-3 hours and you're through the non-advanced levels |
| 07:13.34 | Maldivia | or faster, if you don't mess up |
| 07:14.35 | Maldivia | Iriel: the final advanced map, is that map 18 or 19 ? |
| 07:14.38 | Iriel | I clocked first time through as about 3:40, assuming some time to learn the game and enjoy the various scenic distractions |
| 07:14.49 | Iriel | Test Chamber 18: Advanced |
| 07:15.18 | Iriel | I've done all the other advanced ones just not that one.. I can't get past the [**] platform. |
| 07:15.34 | Thunder_Child | noclip |
| 07:17.02 | Maldivia | Iriel: the room you crawl into? |
| 07:17.48 | Maldivia | wher eyou have to get the box on the other side? |
| 07:17.57 | Iriel | Long before that, there are the giant leaps over water which you do at the start. On the normal in-game map it's a fling thing, but in the advanced map they've made the ceilings metal |
| 07:18.55 | Maldivia | make portal in ceiling and ground to gain momentum |
| 07:19.36 | sag_ich_nicht | yeah but on the other hand your arguments are all invalid |
| 07:19.40 | sag_ich_nicht | because of THREAT REDUCTION |
| 07:19.53 | Maldivia | Iriel: here you go: http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZPV-VuKO5AM |
| 07:20.24 | Maldivia | Iriel: and after looking at that... damn I feel like a portal noob |
| 07:20.35 | Iriel | Damn it, I had it then |
| 07:20.45 | Iriel | I just mistimed a jump, and figured my idea was impossible |
| 07:21.07 | MentalPower | Wohoo! servers are up |
| 07:22.14 | Nom- | so who gets the bear mount? is it a drop from ZA ? |
| 07:22.50 | Wobin_ | oh god |
| 07:22.55 | Wobin_ | that's sickeningly complex =P |
| 07:24.35 | Esamynn | ~calm sag_ich_nicht |
| 07:24.35 | purl | ACTION sooths sag_ich_nicht, offers a backrub, tea, a jacuzzi and anything else that might help calm sag_ich_nicht down. |
| 07:24.46 | Esamynn | sag_ich_nicht: you really need to realx |
| 07:24.57 | Nom- | lol i hate it how the patcher always tries to launch you into game |
| 07:24.58 | Esamynn | s/realx/relax/ |
| 07:25.10 | Nom- | Thankfully "World of Warcraft is not supported through a remote desktop connection" |
| 07:25.28 | Esamynn | lol |
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| 07:28.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | i once patched across a VNC across the internet on 56k |
| 07:28.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | that was interesting |
| 07:31.08 | MentalPower | brave soul |
| 07:32.23 | sag_ich_nicht | [09:24] * purl sooths sag_ich_nicht, offers a backrub, tea, a jacuzzi and anything else that might help calm sag_ich_nicht down. <--i'd rather have a can of spray paint and a port to Irvine, CA. |
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| 07:40.45 | Nom- | Is the PTR actually up yet? Or still munted? |
| 07:40.59 | Nom- | And I can't help but notice there's no gear with spell dmg and strength from the heroic badges |
| 07:41.03 | Nom- | Maybe they did stealth buff us |
| 07:44.29 | cladhaire | Anyone use a frFR client here? |
| 07:44.31 | cladhaire | http://code.google.com/p/wow-clique/issues/detail?id=76 |
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| 07:50.50 | |Pixel| | I am french, but I have no pally to test this one :P |
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| 07:56.02 | cladhaire | don't need a pally |
| 07:56.05 | cladhaire | can test it with a level one healer |
| 07:56.07 | cladhaire | of any type |
| 07:56.20 | cladhaire | the minimal macro is /stopcasting /cast [target=mouseover] Some Healing Spell |
| 07:56.35 | cladhaire | anyone have the enUS PTR patch for me to download? |
| 07:59.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | kind of |
| 07:59.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | heh |
| 08:00.08 | cladhaire | the tracker won't even initialise for me. |
| 08:00.40 | cladhaire | whoa. |
| 08:00.46 | cladhaire | starshards is now a 0 mana cost dot |
| 08:00.47 | cladhaire | hawt |
| 08:01.23 | Thunder_Child | ya |
| 08:01.54 | Nom- | cladhaire: I have it on my PC... let me see what I can do :) |
| 08:01.59 | cladhaire | Nom-: <3 |
| 08:02.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | alternatively, clad, use wow torrent extractor and your favorite torrent client :O http://capnbry.net/wow/downloads/WoWTorrentEx-3.zip |
| 08:02.26 | Wobin_ | cladhaire: yeah it was like "Well... we realise anything we do to this skill will be a buff..." |
| 08:02.37 | cladhaire | Mr_Rabies2: I can't use torrents |
| 08:02.44 | cladhaire | normally I can direct download slowly from teh tracker |
| 08:02.47 | cladhaire | but its not responding. |
| 08:03.00 | Wobin_ | poor clad =( |
| 08:03.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | why's that? school connection blocking ports? |
| 08:03.11 | cladhaire | Nom-: ah I'm on a mac.. that won't help |
| 08:03.12 | cladhaire | hehe |
| 08:03.17 | Nom- | ah lol |
| 08:03.19 | cladhaire | my ba |
| 08:04.21 | Nom- | l2windows :) |
| 08:04.56 | cladhaire | best change EVAR: - Pets will try to get behind their targets when engaging in melee |
| 08:04.58 | cladhaire | combat. |
| 08:05.01 | cladhaire | no more shadowfiend parry deaths |
| 08:05.03 | Nom- | Yeah, i know |
| 08:05.15 | Nom- | And even better... maor dps |
| 08:05.22 | cladhaire | I'm not sure I understand the expertise change |
| 08:05.24 | Wobin_ | cladhaire: I wonder how that will work if they're tanking |
| 08:05.33 | Wobin_ | cladhaire: yeah, that'll be... interesting |
| 08:05.36 | cladhaire | Wobin_: I'm sure they thought of that |
| 08:05.45 | Nom- | cladhaire: It's great for tanks... |
| 08:05.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | musical facing |
| 08:05.56 | Nom- | cladhaire: It's a counter to dodge and parry, which was previously impossible to mitigate |
| 08:06.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | can't mobs dodge and parry from behind? |
| 08:06.18 | Nom- | they can dodge, not parry |
| 08:06.19 | Corrodias | not parry |
| 08:06.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | ah |
| 08:06.37 | Corrodias | behind... on the server. not your client. |
| 08:06.46 | Corrodias | you can have shred parried if you are behind them on your client but not on the server |
| 08:06.47 | cladhaire | Nom-: oh okay |
| 08:06.53 | cladhaire | Makes sense! |
| 08:06.59 | Wobin_ | Mr_Rabies: in fights like Gruul, having the hunter pets perfectly positioned was of great importance |
| 08:07.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | until they made them not shatter |
| 08:07.25 | cladhaire | Zomg lol paladins/rogues: Dropping the Flag in a battleground will now result in a debuff that will not allow you to pick up the flag again for 3 seconds. |
| 08:07.26 | Wobin_ | cause if they caused the boss to parry, by being in front of them, it caused the tank grief |
| 08:07.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | ohh |
| 08:07.43 | Corrodias | apparently, it made him attack faster when he parried |
| 08:07.44 | cryogen | i bet when they implemented pets chasing mobs backsides it was funny the first few attempts |
| 08:07.48 | Corrodias | or that's what i heard |
| 08:07.52 | Wobin_ | yeah |
| 08:07.58 | Wobin_ | chasing it's tail =) |
| 08:08.05 | Esamynn | cladhaire: you're only about the millionth person to zomg over that point :P |
| 08:08.05 | cladhaire | Corrodias: when he parries, it changes his swing timer |
| 08:08.05 | Nom- | yeah, parry is bad for more than one reason |
| 08:08.08 | Nom- | 1. Parry kills tanks |
| 08:08.11 | cladhaire | Esamynn: heheh :P |
| 08:08.13 | Nom- | 2. Parry reduces threat tanks generate |
| 08:08.22 | Corrodias | "changes"? |
| 08:08.26 | cladhaire | Not that I run WSG anymore |
| 08:08.51 | Wobin_ | or eots |
| 08:09.22 | cryogen | 09:08 < Nom-> 1. Parry kills tanks |
| 08:09.22 | Nom- | yeah, parry cuts the swing timer in half from memory |
| 08:09.24 | cryogen | it does? |
| 08:09.28 | cladhaire | Chastise is overpowered |
| 08:09.29 | cladhaire | cryogen: yes |
| 08:09.34 | cladhaire | when a pet gets parried on a boss |
| 08:09.36 | Nom- | cryogen: Yes, it causes the mobs to hit faster |
| 08:09.40 | cryogen | ahha |
| 08:09.42 | cladhaire | it resets the bosses swing timer, and they hit again immediately |
| 08:09.44 | cladhaire | its really nasty |
| 08:09.45 | cryogen | im not arguing, just curious :) |
| 08:09.51 | cladhaire | on Gruul in particular shadowfiend can be deadly |
| 08:09.53 | Wobin_ | ow |
| 08:09.57 | Nom- | Imagine 3 rogues in front of a boss getting parries left and right |
| 08:10.05 | Nom- | It kills tanks VERY fast |
| 08:10.20 | cryogen | if the mob parries, right? |
| 08:10.25 | Nom- | Yes |
| 08:10.26 | Wobin_ | yeah |
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| 08:10.50 | cladhaire | <3 <3 <3 <3 Fixed a bug where the global cooldown was triggered when shifting out |
| 08:10.51 | cladhaire | of Shadowform. |
| 08:10.52 | cladhaire | BEST CHANGE EVAR |
| 08:11.02 | cryogen | why on earth does it do thaT? |
| 08:11.26 | Wobin_ | "Just cause"? |
| 08:11.28 | cladhaire | *cry* |
| 08:11.32 | cladhaire | you can't abolish poison blind anymore =/ |
| 08:11.40 | Wobin_ | since it's a physical |
| 08:11.43 | cladhaire | cuz rogues needed help =/ |
| 08:11.49 | cryogen | indeed you cannot |
| 08:11.53 | cryogen | but you can be bopped out of it |
| 08:11.54 | Wobin_ | where rogues throw... something .... in your eyes =P |
| 08:12.03 | cryogen | or or |
| 08:12.05 | Wobin_ | (possibly fairy dust) |
| 08:12.07 | cryogen | poke you in the eye! |
| 08:12.20 | Wobin_ | Nyuk nyuk nyk |
| 08:13.36 | Nom- | When a player or NPC parries, their next normal melee swing becomes a counter-attack sped up by as much as 50%. |
| 08:13.41 | Nom- | From WoWWiki |
| 08:13.58 | Corrodias | i had no idea. before a few days ago, that is. |
| 08:14.49 | cryogen | makes a certain amount of sense i guess |
| 08:14.53 | cryogen | since your weapon is already raised |
| 08:15.00 | Nom- | That's why parry kills tanks :) |
| 08:15.26 | Nom- | Imagine a hard hitting boss like Tidewalker... whack a few parries in there from your melee DPS and the tank can get uber uber combo'ed |
| 08:15.39 | cryogen | so tanks need to stock up on this new stat then i guess? |
| 08:15.47 | Nom- | If it's not bad enough with his thrash double-proccing lately |
| 08:16.06 | Nom- | Tanks and DPS |
| 08:16.16 | cryogen | dont dps just need to attack from behind? :) |
| 08:16.23 | Nom- | DPS will want about 5% if they can.. that will negate the dodge penalty |
| 08:16.35 | cryogen | ah it reduces dodge too? |
| 08:16.43 | Nom- | All other stats remaining the same, 5% increase in weapon expertise = 5% dps boost |
| 08:16.59 | cryogen | certainly makes things interesting |
| 08:17.01 | Corrodias | dodge penalty? |
| 08:17.11 | Nom- | - Expertise: We have added a new stat and associated rating called expertise and expertise rating. Expertise rating converts to expertise at the same rate that weapon skill rating formerly converted at. Each point of expertise reduces the chance for your attacks to be dodged or parried by 0.25%. |
| 08:17.21 | Nom- | All mobs have a 5% base dodge chance |
| 08:17.27 | Corrodias | oh, that |
| 08:17.30 | Nom- | So melee attacks have a 5% chance to be dodged |
| 08:17.35 | Nom- | Even if you're behind the mob |
| 08:18.01 | Nom- | Let's put it this way... if I get 5% worth of weapon expertise and 9% worth of +hit |
| 08:18.04 | Nom- | I will NEVER miss |
| 08:18.13 | Nom- | My hit chance will be glancing, crit or hit, that's it |
| 08:19.57 | cryogen | makes sense, brings melee into line with casters - miss-wise |
| 08:20.02 | cryogen | should be a healthy dps boost for most people |
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| 08:31.20 | Corrodias | i forgot just how much i love Stratovarius |
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| 08:32.43 | Nom- | for all people, really |
| 08:33.00 | Nom- | But it's no good without THREAT REDUCTION |
| 08:33.01 | Nom- | :D |
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| 08:37.19 | Elkano | Hiho :) is there a date sheduled when wdn.wowinterface.com will be updated with 2.3 changes? |
| 08:38.40 | MentalPower | Elkano: when beladona is around to make those changes |
| 08:39.41 | art3mis | man my mp3 was feeling emo tonight |
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| 08:40.07 | art3mis | the random seed on the shuffle appearantly meant play every evanesence and collide song in my playlist |
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| 08:40.45 | Nom- | W_T_F |
| 08:41.05 | Nom- | Just read a blue post where they've actually said that threat reduction for pallies haven't been implimented, but they're still looking into it |
| 08:41.22 | Nom- | Would someone please explain that the "Paladins can't dps" has NOTHING to do with the fact we can't deal damage |
| 08:41.33 | Nom- | *fume* |
| 08:42.24 | cladhaire | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2366697218&postId=23664343242&sid=1#0 |
| 08:43.06 | Nom- | The *one* class that can overtake the top tanks in the game with mediocre gear |
| 08:43.15 | Nom- | And they buffed DPS without threat reduction |
| 08:43.26 | art3mis | laugh |
| 08:43.30 | art3mis | sag posted that a while back |
| 08:43.50 | cladhaire | art3mis: which? |
| 08:43.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | druids didn't have a passive one for a long time, nom, i feel your pain |
| 08:44.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | and we didn't have plate or a bubble to help either, so i had to be extra careful :x |
| 08:44.20 | Nom- | Many classes didn't for a while, Mr_Rabies2 |
| 08:44.24 | Nom- | But most got theirs in TBC |
| 08:44.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | rogues,warriors, hunters, and all casters have an innate one |
| 08:44.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | shamans have one thats talented |
| 08:45.02 | cladhaire | yeah, its called "Resurrection" :P |
| 08:46.18 | Nom- | While prot pallies got love, no other tree did |
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| 08:56.07 | sag_ich_nicht | [10:41] <Nom-> Just read a blue post where they've actually said that threat reduction for pallies haven't been implimented, but they're still looking into it <--they lie, and you know it. |
| 08:56.59 | Fisker- | no u |
| 08:57.04 | Fisker- | besides they nerfed our healing |
| 08:57.39 | sag_ich_nicht | i didn't know rogues wear +heal. |
| 08:57.44 | sag_ich_nicht | or what do you play now Fisker- :P |
| 08:58.10 | art3mis | the thingy nom's bitching about |
| 08:58.31 | Fisker- | i've played paladin for several YEARS now sag_ich_nicht |
| 08:58.36 | sag_ich_nicht | well |
| 08:58.41 | Fisker- | billions of billions of years |
| 08:58.43 | sag_ich_nicht | from my point of view |
| 08:58.44 | Fisker- | thought you knew |
| 08:58.52 | sag_ich_nicht | they can nerf holy to hell and i won't care |
| 08:58.59 | sag_ich_nicht | i will start caring once they fix ret. |
| 08:59.06 | Fisker- | they can nerf retribution to hell and i won't care |
| 08:59.17 | sag_ich_nicht | Fisker- what would they nerf? |
| 08:59.23 | sag_ich_nicht | it can't possibly get worse |
| 08:59.26 | Fisker- | of course it can |
| 08:59.29 | sag_ich_nicht | no |
| 08:59.38 | Fisker- | yes |
| 08:59.42 | sag_ich_nicht | nope |
| 08:59.54 | Fisker- | yes |
| 09:00.00 | wereHamster | can someone please send me DivxDecoder.dll from a engb version? |
| 09:00.40 | sag_ich_nicht | sure |
| 09:01.05 | sag_ich_nicht | there you go |
| 09:01.06 | sag_ich_nicht | accept :P |
| 09:01.23 | wereHamster | sorry, no dvv |
| 09:02.02 | sag_ich_nicht | well then you're out of luck. sending emails atm is not possible. at all. |
| 09:02.39 | sag_ich_nicht | Account Banned |
| 09:02.39 | sag_ich_nicht | |
| 09:02.39 | sag_ich_nicht | Ban Type Permanent |
| 09:02.39 | sag_ich_nicht | Ban Reason Spamming and trolling |
| 09:02.39 | sag_ich_nicht | Participating in a spam campaign, or generally being involved in heavy flaming of announced content changes, which led to the forums being unreadable or undesirable to other players. |
| 09:02.42 | sag_ich_nicht | awesome |
| 09:02.59 | Nom- | lol sag_ich_nicht |
| 09:03.20 | sag_ich_nicht | there was no campaign. |
| 09:03.23 | sag_ich_nicht | this was just rage. |
| 09:03.41 | sag_ich_nicht | Fisker- |
| 09:03.45 | sag_ich_nicht | EU forums complaint address |
| 09:03.53 | sag_ich_nicht | nao |
| 09:04.20 | nevcairiel | those guys stick together anyway :P |
| 09:05.04 | Fisker- | no u? |
| 09:05.12 | sag_ich_nicht | gimme the eu forums mail address |
| 09:05.22 | sag_ich_nicht | please :O |
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| 09:05.29 | wereHamster | sag_ich_nicht, can you try dcc again please? |
| 09:05.30 | Fisker- | WoWRepForumEN@blizzard.com |
| 09:05.45 | buu | HA HA sag_ich_nicht GOT BANNED. |
| 09:05.46 | buu | LEWL. |
| 09:05.49 | sag_ich_nicht | thanks Fisker-. |
| 09:05.53 | sag_ich_nicht | buu: yeah. so? |
| 09:06.45 | sag_ich_nicht | step 1: buy copy of WoW and BC. step 2: create new account. step 3: PCT my 3 chars for for 60 euro. step 4: ??? |
| 09:08.00 | Fisker- | or |
| 09:08.03 | Fisker- | if they didn't fix it |
| 09:08.07 | Fisker- | Step 1: Change language |
| 09:08.09 | Fisker- | Step 2: ??? |
| 09:08.14 | Fisker- | Step 3: Profit |
| 09:08.21 | sag_ich_nicht | wait what. |
| 09:08.35 | Fisker- | changing between the different language forums will unban you |
| 09:08.37 | Fisker- | or would |
| 09:08.40 | Fisker- | dunno if it still works |
| 09:08.44 | sag_ich_nicht | lol |
| 09:08.47 | sag_ich_nicht | hold |
| 09:10.11 | wereHamster | my interface.mpq is missing :( |
| 09:10.20 | sag_ich_nicht | repair.exe |
| 09:10.34 | Elkano | there is no interface.mpq anymore |
| 09:10.43 | Fisker- | that was what i was thinking :P |
| 09:11.08 | sag_ich_nicht | ahahahahahahahahahaha |
| 09:11.10 | sag_ich_nicht | thanks fisker |
| 09:11.12 | sag_ich_nicht | nice |
| 09:11.23 | Fisker- | :D |
| 09:11.31 | sag_ich_nicht | lern2sanities your database input blizzard |
| 09:11.47 | sag_ich_nicht | is that permant removal or just temp and i'll have to relogin each time on the other board? :X |
| 09:11.48 | wereHamster | my whole Data directory is missing.. |
| 09:12.27 | Kaso | http://logan-1.mirror.waffleimages.com/files/2c/2ce85afc43630d8efe6504d0d25164d027058e89.jpg |
| 09:12.32 | Kaso | Something is very wrong with this picture |
| 09:12.51 | wereHamster | and repair.exe doesn'd work, it says its too damaged to be repaired |
| 09:13.18 | Kaso | reinstall then |
| 09:13.25 | sag_ich_nicht | and the best thing is, the character profile now points to an empty armory link with my old guildtag under my name |
| 09:13.28 | sag_ich_nicht | my old guild Tag is Ronin |
| 09:13.35 | sag_ich_nicht | 100% win for accurate depiction |
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| 09:13.44 | art3mis | kaso: the guy is wearinga brown blazer tan shirt and white pants? |
| 09:13.51 | art3mis | after labour day! |
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| 09:14.09 | Kaso | Wasn't quite what i was thinking of |
| 09:14.39 | Kaso | This advert makes me dirty for wanting an MacBook |
| 09:15.03 | Iriel | Nothing wrong with a macbook |
| 09:15.07 | art3mis | dont feel dirty, you'll score mad hippie tail with it ;P |
| 09:15.30 | Kaso | Iriel but i fear the apple salesman will try and rape me, or my children |
| 09:15.54 | Iriel | Hm, maybe they're a different kind of salesman there, but here it's a challenge to get their attention most of the time the store's too busy |
| 09:16.16 | Guillotine | On the Apple topic: http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=macs_cant |
| 09:16.19 | art3mis | kaso: thats easy to fix |
| 09:16.24 | art3mis | go to comp usa ;P |
| 09:16.31 | art3mis | and browse thier mac collection |
| 09:16.39 | art3mis | the apple store here is complete ass |
| 09:16.48 | art3mis | you can't browse but you can totally loiter |
| 09:16.50 | Guillotine | specifically the youtube video there :P http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JixbzFjv_cU |
| 09:17.33 | art3mis | hehe did you see that bbspot article about jobs giving everyone that bought a lisa thier money back? |
| 09:18.24 | Nom- | It's knock-off time |
| 09:18.39 | Nom- | Time to see how long it takes me to overtake a 750 tps warrior :/ |
| 09:18.50 | Nom- | (Which, I know, will be about 5 seconds) |
| 09:21.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | nom okay here's how we do this |
| 09:21.22 | Fisker- | i has no idea sag_ich_nicht |
| 09:21.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'll help rally for pally threat reduction if you help rally for pots and procs in forms, kthx |
| 09:21.27 | Fisker- | i just heard about it on teh forums |
| 09:21.55 | sag_ich_nicht | Mr_Rabies2: you already got that in 2.3 in macro form |
| 09:22.00 | sag_ich_nicht | and with the 2.3 spellchanges |
| 09:22.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | sortof |
| 09:22.15 | sag_ich_nicht | try it out i think it'll be good enough :X |
| 09:22.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | except for mana cost, the chance that we'll get hit while we're out of form, etc |
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| 09:22.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | and that's just potions, not procs |
| 09:23.01 | sag_ich_nicht | mhm |
| 09:23.02 | sag_ich_nicht | true |
| 09:23.11 | sag_ich_nicht | why do you need mana when you are a bear. |
| 09:23.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's such a pain not to be able to make primals, open chests, use quest items, etc in forms |
| 09:23.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | because it costs mana to go in, sag_ich_nicht |
| 09:23.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | and if we're at low mana and we start it's not always an option |
| 09:23.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | it takes about a minute or two to get the mana back to shift in |
| 09:23.48 | sag_ich_nicht | well drink up after a bosskill or trashgroup then. |
| 09:23.53 | sag_ich_nicht | :P |
| 09:23.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | or |
| 09:23.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | you know |
| 09:23.58 | sag_ich_nicht | casters do it too! |
| 09:24.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | they could just make us like every other goddamn class |
| 09:24.20 | art3mis | bears cant drink pots because they dont have thumbs |
| 09:24.20 | Fisker- | i love how some druids shift out of bear to give themselves hots and then go tank |
| 09:24.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | let us open chests, use quest items, etc |
| 09:24.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | those hots are absolutely useless, fisker |
| 09:24.42 | art3mis | Mr_Rabies2: can shaman do it in ghost wolf? |
| 09:24.55 | art3mis | no? |
| 09:24.58 | art3mis | then shush |
| 09:25.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | because they were started before combat they're no threat, they're damn near useless on the healing front |
| 09:25.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | no, but they should be able to |
| 09:25.10 | art3mis | how do you figure? |
| 09:25.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | because it's moronic to use that for an example |
| 09:25.33 | art3mis | not really |
| 09:25.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | i can think of about 5000 things to use a similar example for |
| 09:25.44 | art3mis | thats the only shapeshift form i can think of that involves animals |
| 09:25.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | warriors should sink to the bottom of a lake when they get in |
| 09:25.50 | art3mis | okay go head |
| 09:26.00 | art3mis | no they're strong ;P |
| 09:26.04 | art3mis | SUPER stong |
| 09:26.08 | art3mis | strong |
| 09:26.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah |
| 09:26.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | what a copout |
| 09:26.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | arguement over |
| 09:26.17 | art3mis | first |
| 09:26.31 | *** join/#wowi-lounge foxlit (n=foxlit@130.225.73.202) |
| 09:26.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | game mechanics and reality should never work together |
| 09:26.37 | art3mis | be happy they let you open yer backpacks and get a bonus from yer gear in shapeshifted form |
| 09:26.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | the whole "you have no thumbs" thing is moronic |
| 09:26.54 | art3mis | second: when in shapeshift form WHERE are your packs? |
| 09:27.11 | sag_ich_nicht | anus. |
| 09:27.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | how do you hold thousands of pounds of armor in one backpack and some side packs |
| 09:27.12 | sag_ich_nicht | duh |
| 09:27.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's all about mechanics |
| 09:27.21 | sag_ich_nicht | Mr_Rabies2: goatse |
| 09:27.28 | art3mis | yeah and mechanics says that animals cant use things |
| 09:27.36 | sag_ich_nicht | every character in WoW has a storage system like goatse. |
| 09:27.42 | art3mis | its not like yer a raccoon |
| 09:27.48 | art3mis | or an otter |
| 09:27.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | no, that's your own personal bias towards reality in ONE situation while cleverly ignoring all others |
| 09:28.04 | art3mis | not relaly |
| 09:28.06 | art3mis | really |
| 09:28.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah |
| 09:28.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | it is |
| 09:28.22 | art3mis | you think i dont wish as a priest i could combat res? |
| 09:28.25 | art3mis | or self res? |
| 09:28.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'll trade ya for a real res |
| 09:28.32 | art3mis | because its what PRIESTS DO! |
| 09:28.50 | Fisker- | ZOMG WORLD OF WARCRAFT IS NOT REALISTIC OMG |
| 09:28.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | you can have the combat res and get shunned because people don't like to run back |
| 09:29.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'll take the real res and be happy |
| 09:29.07 | art3mis | do you think that druids somehow got shafter because they almost ovr took priests in healing when priests are a primary healer class? |
| 09:29.17 | art3mis | shafted? |
| 09:29.19 | art3mis | or wait |
| 09:29.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | aHA! your bias is showing, art3mis |
| 09:29.26 | art3mis | that they can go respec and dual as a tank |
| 09:29.28 | art3mis | ;P |
| 09:29.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | you're just showing you're sore |
| 09:29.41 | art3mis | nah im just sick of whiny bitches that play druids whining about thier class ;P |
| 09:29.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | a healer can't just go and respec and tank |
| 09:30.00 | art3mis | i'll be the first to admit if i got anything i wanted for priests we'd be totally OP |
| 09:30.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | he has to get a whole nother set of gear |
| 09:30.04 | nevcairiel | a good healer collects tanking equip |
| 09:30.05 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 09:30.14 | art3mis | not that we arent now ;P |
| 09:30.31 | art3mis | nevcairiel: i still have my full set of ironweave in the bank |
| 09:30.38 | art3mis | cuz that and inner fire rules! |
| 09:30.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | druids are also a primary healer class, art3mis, if spec'd and geared for it |
| 09:30.45 | nevcairiel | ololo |
| 09:30.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | they're also a primary tank and dps if geared and spec'd for it |
| 09:30.58 | Fisker- | they're not supposed to |
| 09:31.07 | art3mis | druids were a hybrid |
| 09:31.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | priests are also a primary dps class when spec'd and geared for it |
| 09:31.12 | art3mis | a monkey fuck healer class |
| 09:31.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | druids are hybrids, but we're very different in design to any other class |
| 09:31.24 | nevcairiel | other classes always claim that hybrid shouldnt outperform other classes |
| 09:31.27 | nevcairiel | but hey, they do |
| 09:31.28 | nevcairiel | so? :P |
| 09:31.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | priests are also hybrids |
| 09:31.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | warriors are hybrids |
| 09:31.56 | art3mis | nevcairiel: it just sickens me that of ALL the classes druids got THE best overhaul and yet they still whine like babies ;P |
| 09:32.00 | art3mis | no they arent |
| 09:32.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah |
| 09:32.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah they are |
| 09:32.13 | art3mis | rogue priest mage war are primaries |
| 09:32.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | rogue and mage are the only non hybrids |
| 09:32.30 | art3mis | oh please |
| 09:32.30 | nevcairiel | so why do we take dps wars |
| 09:32.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | every other class can do a variety of tasks |
| 09:32.35 | nevcairiel | if they are primary tanks |
| 09:32.49 | art3mis | wear palte and tank wear palte and poke things is BNOT a hybrid choice |
| 09:32.58 | art3mis | s/palte/plate |
| 09:33.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | then what is it? |
| 09:33.24 | art3mis | wars cant stealth, cant cast and cant heal |
| 09:33.35 | art3mis | they stand there and melee |
| 09:33.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | no, but they can tank or dps |
| 09:33.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's a two way hybrid |
| 09:33.41 | art3mis | thats not a hybrid you dipshit |
| 09:33.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | sigh |
| 09:33.46 | art3mis | thats the same task |
| 09:33.52 | sag_ich_nicht | ~dict Hybrid |
| 09:33.53 | Guillotine | art3mis: it kind of is a hybrid :P |
| 09:33.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | * Added art3mis!*@* to ignore list |
| 09:33.57 | nevcairiel | dps and tanking is the same task? |
| 09:33.58 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 09:34.03 | art3mis | one involes taking hits the other is giving hits |
| 09:34.04 | sag_ich_nicht | Mr_Rabies remove the ignroe. |
| 09:34.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | no, it's worthless trying to argue with him |
| 09:34.17 | sag_ich_nicht | art3mis it's a hybrid |
| 09:34.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm tired of doing this |
| 09:34.37 | art3mis | a hybrid is being able to do two completely seperate things |
| 09:34.40 | sag_ich_nicht | Mr_Rabies2 sticking your head in the sand isn't going to make it better. |
| 09:34.51 | sag_ich_nicht | art3mis: dps and tank are two completely different things |
| 09:34.54 | sag_ich_nicht | (GASP) |
| 09:34.55 | Guillotine | art3mis: so dealing damage and doing damage aren't completely seperate? But healing is? |
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| 09:35.07 | Guillotine | that would make warlocks hybrids :P |
| 09:35.17 | art3mis | guill i didnt say priests are ;P |
| 09:35.19 | Guillotine | as well as shadowpriests |
| 09:35.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | it'll keep me away from having to deal with an ignorant person who is unwilling to think outside of their own small worldview |
| 09:35.31 | art3mis | technically warlocks are hybrids, but thast a branch of magey-dome |
| 09:35.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | which i'm cool with |
| 09:35.44 | art3mis | a very specific branch |
| 09:35.46 | Guillotine | technically, ever class is a hybrid but mages and rogues |
| 09:35.49 | Guillotine | every* |
| 09:35.50 | nevcairiel | warlocks always do dps |
| 09:35.54 | nevcairiel | thats no hybrid |
| 09:35.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | nevcairiel |
| 09:35.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | they can tank |
| 09:36.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | using their pets |
| 09:36.00 | Guillotine | and even those can be partly considered support according to oldschool MMO standards |
| 09:36.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | and other various things |
| 09:36.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | sure, not in a raid situation |
| 09:36.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | but their pets add hybridization to them |
| 09:36.16 | nevcairiel | in very specific cases, every class can tank |
| 09:36.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | same with hunters |
| 09:36.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | their pets make them more versatile at things than other classes, especially warlocks |
| 09:36.44 | art3mis | nevcairiel: i say technically because of how thier spells are tailored... they ca heal themselves, do damage, they're basically speciaiality mages who love demons |
| 09:36.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | warlock tanks are very specialized but rock at what they're designed for |
| 09:37.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | er |
| 09:37.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | warlocks pets* |
| 09:37.10 | nevcairiel | yeah, but everything involves dps on locks |
| 09:37.22 | Guillotine | I personally think that if they are really scaling up FAP enough, druids don't need procs (though it would allow for some more customizability). The problem is, as it is right now, druids don't scale with enchants and the like the same way |
| 09:37.26 | art3mis | nevcairiel: im talking in a purest form |
| 09:37.32 | art3mis | rogue priest mage war |
| 09:37.35 | art3mis | are pures |
| 09:37.38 | Guillotine | priest can dps |
| 09:37.40 | nevcairiel | priests can heal and dps |
| 09:37.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | yes, they're a very dps focused hybrid, however they can tank fairly well compared to rogues and mages, by using their pets |
| 09:37.42 | Guillotine | as much as a druid |
| 09:37.44 | nevcairiel | and they do so in raids |
| 09:37.50 | art3mis | any variation on them is a hybrid |
| 09:37.53 | nevcairiel | wars can dps and tank |
| 09:37.58 | Guillotine | both priests and warrs are hybrids |
| 09:38.01 | art3mis | priest MAGICALLY dps |
| 09:38.05 | art3mis | and MAGICALLY heal |
| 09:38.14 | art3mis | they arent physical in any sense |
| 09:38.16 | nevcairiel | so they are a caster |
| 09:38.29 | art3mis | oh wait yeah thats a better way to put it |
| 09:38.33 | Guillotine | caster doesn't mean they're not hybrid :P |
| 09:38.35 | art3mis | mell vs caster |
| 09:38.41 | art3mis | melee vs caster |
| 09:38.47 | art3mis | anything that can do both is a hybrid |
| 09:38.53 | art3mis | does that make more sense |
| 09:39.00 | art3mis | it eliminates the whole spec argument |
| 09:39.02 | Guillotine | no, hybrid is anything that can do two or more of: heal, tank, or dps |
| 09:39.07 | nevcairiel | anything that can fullfill two roles in a group or raid environment is a hybrid |
| 09:39.22 | Guillotine | melee dps and magic dps are not really two seperate rolls |
| 09:39.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | a feral druid can't cast much better than a rogue, and a resto druid can't melee much better than a mage |
| 09:39.28 | Guillotine | at least not to the extent melee dps and tanking are |
| 09:39.34 | art3mis | Guillotine: did you ever play d&d? |
| 09:39.45 | Guillotine | art3mis: a bit |
| 09:39.47 | nevcairiel | we're talking wow, not d&d :P |
| 09:39.53 | art3mis | thats where the bias is |
| 09:39.54 | art3mis | ;P |
| 09:40.00 | art3mis | melee vs casting |
| 09:40.07 | Guillotine | even in DND the difference wasn't that much |
| 09:40.12 | art3mis | you either wear armour and hit things with sticks or you use magic |
| 09:40.14 | Guillotine | sure it was a bit, but not two completely different rolls |
| 09:40.46 | art3mis | d&d terms a dps war is a barbarian, a sub class of the pure class |
| 09:41.01 | art3mis | it's just another melee character |
| 09:41.05 | art3mis | it doesnt use magic |
| 09:41.09 | art3mis | thus not a hybrid |
| 09:41.25 | art3mis | regardless of wether it has a HUGE sword and tu-tu or is built like a mac truck |
| 09:41.37 | art3mis | it deals in melee only |
| 09:41.48 | art3mis | mage deals in magic only |
| 09:41.53 | art3mis | rogue melee only |
| 09:41.56 | art3mis | priest magic only |
| 09:42.10 | Fisker- | i must attack |
| 09:42.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | in wow there's 3 base abilities and only two classes can't perform at least 2 to a useful level, rogue and mage |
| 09:42.12 | art3mis | shaman melee and magic, druids melee and magic, paladins melee and magic |
| 09:42.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | every other class can do at least 2 to a decent level, though not at the raid level |
| 09:42.27 | Guillotine | but that itsn't what made them hybrids |
| 09:42.41 | art3mis | actually it is what makes them hybrids |
| 09:42.47 | art3mis | in a VERY abse sense |
| 09:42.52 | art3mis | to avoid spec arguments |
| 09:43.00 | art3mis | you either cast or you poke things |
| 09:43.03 | Guillotine | if 2 classes do exactly the same dps, but one does half of it in magic form while the other was all in physical damage, should the one that does half of each do less damage? |
| 09:43.20 | art3mis | how does that have any bearing |
| 09:43.37 | Guillotine | this all started b/c you said druids shouldn't do damage of 'pure' classes |
| 09:43.43 | art3mis | hybrids can do both but arent as good as the pure classes |
| 09:43.57 | art3mis | trianined etc etc etc |
| 09:44.01 | art3mis | training |
| 09:44.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | then there's no reason to take them |
| 09:44.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | they're a wasted spot if they can't perform their role in a raid |
| 09:44.30 | Arrowmaster | wtf why is there a Fisker- attacking me |
| 09:44.46 | Guillotine | art3mis: how is it balanced if two classes do nothing but dps, but one does far less just because half of its damage is magic rather than physical? |
| 09:44.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | maybe he wants some arrows |
| 09:44.47 | art3mis | the reason that everyone bitches about hybrids in wow is because they CAN do as good as pure |
| 09:44.53 | art3mis | and they shouldnt be able to |
| 09:45.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | so it's where you stand |
| 09:45.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | not what roles you do |
| 09:45.08 | art3mis | Guillotine: think about it as more than dps |
| 09:45.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's if you're in the front or in the back of the line |
| 09:45.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's not about what you're doing, but where you're standing |
| 09:45.25 | Guillotine | and they SHOULD be able to do as well as pure |
| 09:45.29 | Guillotine | or they are a waste of a slot |
| 09:45.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | what if i stand in melee range and heal |
| 09:45.32 | nevcairiel | only because i can respec and do dps or even tank, i should be a worse healer then those sucky priests? |
| 09:45.34 | art3mis | a trained fighter, for example knows where to hit, someone that kind of studied fighting wouldnt |
| 09:45.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | can i heal like a pure class then |
| 09:45.36 | nevcairiel | thats a stupid point .P |
| 09:46.04 | art3mis | its the skill involved |
| 09:46.12 | art3mis | thats something that wow never takes into account |
| 09:46.12 | Guillotine | art3mis: but a feral druid is trained ALL in feral stuff. just because they *could* be trained as a healer doesn't mean that they spent the time doing it |
| 09:46.19 | Guillotine | they were trained just as much in melee combat as a warrior |
| 09:46.37 | art3mis | Guillotine: im fine with that IF they lose thier ability to cast healing with any decency |
| 09:46.50 | art3mis | they spent thier time learng melee not being one with the woods |
| 09:46.53 | art3mis | however |
| 09:46.55 | Guillotine | which they do when specced feral and tanking in a PvE environment :P |
| 09:47.02 | nevcairiel | generally, you decide for one role of your hybdrid class, and stick to that |
| 09:47.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah, a druid that's spec'd feral isn't going to heal decently |
| 09:47.12 | nevcairiel | only because you can respec, doesnt mean you are as good at it |
| 09:47.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | i can heal for |
| 09:47.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | get this |
| 09:47.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | 2800 on a 3.5 sec cast spell |
| 09:47.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | maybe |
| 09:47.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | if i get lucky |
| 09:47.37 | art3mis | what you find is that hybrids in this case a druid, can melee as well as a war, can heal as well as priest and can stealth/pokey as well as a rogue |
| 09:47.43 | nevcairiel | i mean, when one of our raid ferals respecs resto, i wouldnt let him in the raid :P |
| 09:47.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | yes, arthemis |
| 09:47.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | let me tell you |
| 09:47.58 | Arrowmaster | rofl i know a feral druid that would swap gear and end up outhealing some others on fights like prince |
| 09:48.11 | art3mis | okay stop for a sec... |
| 09:48.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | i go tank gruul then run off and nuke down magtheridon then run off and heal through ssc all the time |
| 09:48.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | let me telly uo |
| 09:48.44 | art3mis | we're all agreed that shaman paladins druids are hybrids now right? |
| 09:48.46 | Guillotine | art3mis: but they CAN'T. they can tank close to as well as a war OR heal close to as well as a healing priest OR stealth/pokey close to as well as a rogue |
| 09:48.53 | Guillotine | of course |
| 09:49.10 | Guillotine | but so is every other class in WoW except mages and rogues :P |
| 09:49.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | shamans paladins and druids are the >2class split hybrids |
| 09:49.19 | art3mis | and that those hybrids are capable of out shinign the pure classes in thier pure ability |
| 09:49.25 | Guillotine | wrong |
| 09:49.33 | Guillotine | they can get close to it, but can't outdo it |
| 09:49.37 | art3mis | you've played with some crappy players then ;) |
| 09:49.39 | Guillotine | they make up for it in utility |
| 09:49.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | they should be able to get on the same level or they're a waste of a slot |
| 09:49.46 | Arrowmaster | i know rogues that can outdo any other dps |
| 09:50.01 | art3mis | i know druids that can destroy paladins and priests on healing |
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| 09:50.05 | foxlit | Individual examples are silly |
| 09:50.06 | Guillotine | you're saying a druid with equal gear can outdps a rogue? |
| 09:50.12 | art3mis | and its not just 1 person |
| 09:50.14 | Guillotine | art3mis: due to the utility. innervate=utility |
| 09:50.23 | foxlit | innervate=on self |
| 09:50.24 | art3mis | umm no |
| 09:50.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | and because of how HoTs work |
| 09:50.28 | foxlit | or uncastable because you're tanking |
| 09:50.34 | art3mis | ive never seen a druid innervate himself |
| 09:50.37 | art3mis | ever |
| 09:50.45 | Guillotine | also, a healing druid can't damage or tank worth shit |
| 09:50.46 | art3mis | not in 10+ raid anyways |
| 09:50.47 | Guillotine | at all |
| 09:50.51 | Arrowmaster | i dont think our druids innervate anybody but themselves |
| 09:50.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | i once innervated a warrior |
| 09:50.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | :X |
| 09:50.55 | Arrowmaster | including the moonkin |
| 09:50.57 | Guillotine | a holy priest can dps better than a resto druid |
| 09:51.01 | art3mis | haha |
| 09:51.10 | Arrowmaster | yes we have a moonkin |
| 09:51.16 | Arrowmaster | hes in most raids |
| 09:51.19 | foxlit | Moonkin innervates himself, clealry |
| 09:51.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | i rarely innervated myself when i was resto |
| 09:51.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | but then again druid mana regen was utter crap when i was resto |
| 09:51.43 | Arrowmaster | actually i have no clue who they innervate |
| 09:51.48 | art3mis | but you all see the argument on why everyone bitches over the hybrids right? |
| 09:51.51 | foxlit | It's still crap, but it gets you an additional timer |
| 09:51.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | art3mis, yes |
| 09:51.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | problem is |
| 09:51.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's wrog |
| 09:51.58 | Arrowmaster | sometimes ill hear one asking another if their innervate is up over vent |
| 09:52.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | wrong* |
| 09:52.00 | art3mis | they arent suppose to be as good as the pures |
| 09:52.06 | art3mis | no its not |
| 09:52.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah |
| 09:52.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah it is |
| 09:52.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's flawed at the very core |
| 09:52.19 | Guillotine | art3mis: yes. because theres a misconception that hybrids can do everything at once. which they can't. A resto druid can't dps as well as a holy priest |
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| 09:52.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | why bring a hybrid at all if pures can do it all? |
| 09:52.29 | art3mis | you're either one or the other a gear change ashouldnt make you good at both |
| 09:52.35 | Guillotine | a feral druid can heal better than a rogue of course, but they can't do more dps while healing |
| 09:52.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | it doesn't |
| 09:52.45 | art3mis | it does though |
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| 09:52.53 | Calib | Hi |
| 09:52.54 | art3mis | maybe not to you because you play it |
| 09:53.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | a resto druid cannot tank worth a crap even in tier 6 compared to a warrior or feral |
| 09:53.01 | Guillotine | gear change+spec change might. but thats the reason for increasing respec costs |
| 09:53.18 | art3mis | but to everyone else all we see is the excellence attached to melee and casting in a single class |
| 09:53.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | a feral cannot heal worth a crap compared to any other healing class |
| 09:53.26 | Guillotine | right. which is a misconception |
| 09:53.27 | Arrowmaster | yeah a good feral druid with good healing gear can be a good healer, but they wont to beclose to what they would be if they speced full resto |
| 09:53.36 | Guillotine | the same druid cannot have that excellence in both healing and dpsing |
| 09:53.36 | art3mis | its not a misconception |
| 09:53.42 | art3mis | if we bring back spec into it |
| 09:53.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | because i understand how my class works i don't have some kind of wrong opinion about my class? |
| 09:53.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | gasp! |
| 09:53.50 | Calib | Does anyone know how u should set up hotkeys for ret arena pallys |
| 09:53.51 | art3mis | shadow priests cant melee as well, we're casters |
| 09:54.04 | art3mis | hell holy priests cant melee, e're casters |
| 09:54.05 | Guillotine | no, but they can dps FAR better |
| 09:54.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | because i've played a druid for 3 years now and know the nuances of them as well as most other classes, gasp |
| 09:54.10 | art3mis | regardless of spec we're a caster |
| 09:54.15 | Guillotine | melee dps is NOT a role |
| 09:54.17 | Guillotine | dps is a roll |
| 09:54.19 | Guillotine | role* |
| 09:54.19 | art3mis | dps has nothing to do with hybrid classification |
| 09:54.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | resto druids can melee about as good as shadow priests |
| 09:54.29 | art3mis | it's either magic or melee |
| 09:54.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | maybe slightly worse |
| 09:54.35 | Guillotine | no, its dps, tanking, or healing |
| 09:54.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | since they have no wands :X |
| 09:54.36 | Arrowmaster | no better |
| 09:54.39 | art3mis | those are the only two types of damage ANYONE can del |
| 09:54.47 | art3mis | deal |
| 09:54.57 | Guillotine | so priests are hybrids. they can melee with their staves or deal spell damage? |
| 09:55.03 | art3mis | warriors cant one day go spec and suddenly use magic |
| 09:55.05 | Arrowmaster | oh wait nvm i forgot those imba staffs dont work in tree form |
| 09:55.15 | art3mis | Guillotine: now you're jsut being retarded |
| 09:55.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | there's no difference in physical or magic damage other than minor mechanics differences |
| 09:55.22 | art3mis | imba? |
| 09:55.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's about what it's used for |
| 09:55.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | dps is a role, melee is not |
| 09:55.42 | art3mis | and thats why you'll never understand why everyone hates yer druids ;P |
| 09:55.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | tanking is a roll, melee is not |
| 09:55.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | healing is a role, casting is not |
| 09:56.00 | art3mis | thats assinine to say |
| 09:56.07 | art3mis | and you know it |
| 09:56.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | play a druid |
| 09:56.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | level him to 70 |
| 09:56.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | see what i'm talking about |
| 09:56.16 | art3mis | melee is a role |
| 09:56.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | do it |
| 09:56.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | i challenge you to |
| 09:56.27 | art3mis | you're either standing at its feet doing damage or you're casting |
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| 09:56.33 | art3mis | those are your choices |
| 09:56.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | so what if i cast at its feet |
| 09:56.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | is that the same role |
| 09:56.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | as melee |
| 09:56.48 | art3mis | the you're casting now arent you |
| 09:56.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | there's no difference |
| 09:57.00 | art3mis | you're not doing damage solely from the stick i your hand |
| 09:57.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | physical is just another school of magic |
| 09:57.06 | art3mis | there is a difference |
| 09:57.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | it has it's own nuances, sure |
| 09:57.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | but so does holy magic |
| 09:57.24 | art3mis | you're just a retard if you cant unxdderstand the simplisitic difference between casting and melee |
| 09:57.35 | art3mis | good god |
| 09:57.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | if it's for dps there is no real difference |
| 09:58.00 | art3mis | do you think they used DPS in real battles? |
| 09:58.03 | art3mis | no |
| 09:58.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | yes real battles |
| 09:58.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | we're talking real battles |
| 09:58.09 | art3mis | it was frigging melee! |
| 09:58.11 | wereHamster | doesn't a rogue have magic spells? like vanish or sprint? |
| 09:58.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | we're not talking about world of warcraft |
| 09:58.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | we're talking about reality |
| 09:58.28 | art3mis | wereHamster: those are magical only in the nature that they learned how to do it |
| 09:58.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | we're not talking about balancing game mechanics |
| 09:58.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | we're talking about fucking real battles |
| 09:59.19 | art3mis | Mr_Rabies2: because you cant grasp that casting != melee |
| 09:59.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's the same damn thing when it comes down to what you're doing with that damage |
| 09:59.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's all numbers |
| 09:59.43 | art3mis | its the HOW |
| 09:59.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | the how doesn't mean jackshit |
| 09:59.59 | art3mis | yes actually it does |
| 10:00.13 | Guillotine | in RP terms, they are very different. In game mechanics, melee dps and spell dps fill the same role |
| 10:00.18 | Wobin_ | <.< |
| 10:00.19 | Wobin_ | >.> |
| 10:00.25 | Wobin_ | Where did the reality train derail? |
| 10:00.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | rp terms can fuck off |
| 10:00.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | when art3mis said "bears don't have thumbs", Wobin_ |
| 10:00.47 | Guillotine | in just about ANY fight, you can substitute all melee dps for spell dps and be fine. Can you substitute all healers for damage dealers and be fine? No, because they are different roles |
| 10:00.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | it kinda set me off and the pain train came to town |
| 10:00.48 | art3mis | ad he says *I* have a narrow view ;) |
| 10:01.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | rp related stuff should have absolutely no input in game mechanics |
| 10:01.32 | Guillotine | how do spell dps and melee dps differ in game mechanics in terms of role? |
| 10:01.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | sure, use it as a way to flavor things up |
| 10:01.47 | art3mis | well for 1 |
| 10:01.50 | Guillotine | (besides in some specially designed encounters. Though I can really only think of 2) |
| 10:01.52 | art3mis | melee NEEDS to be close |
| 10:01.58 | art3mis | casting doesnt |
| 10:02.00 | Guillotine | I said in role |
| 10:02.05 | Guillotine | being in melee is not a role |
| 10:02.10 | Guillotine | being ranged is not a role |
| 10:02.16 | art3mis | umm yes they are |
| 10:02.16 | Guillotine | doing the damage is a role |
| 10:02.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | the only difference is in some fights melee takes a bit more damage because they're in close |
| 10:02.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | which is why most melee has more armor to compensate for that |
| 10:02.42 | Guillotine | so a warrior can be both in melee and sitting at ranged. is it fulfilling two roles? |
| 10:02.55 | art3mis | what are we arguing now btw? |
| 10:03.05 | Guillotine | the actual being in melee range or being out of melee range is not a role |
| 10:03.15 | art3mis | melee vs casting |
| 10:03.18 | Calib | Guys check out my 1v2 video on youtube |
| 10:03.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | you're arguing that there's a fundamental difference in a rogue and warrior when it comes to raid slots |
| 10:03.20 | art3mis | you're not paying attention |
| 10:03.27 | Calib | Type calibi |
| 10:03.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | er |
| 10:03.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | rogue and mage |
| 10:03.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | sure, for some fights the mage may be preferred because of aoe damage |
| 10:03.58 | art3mis | im arguing that there is a fundamental difference in the orignal design of the mage and rogue |
| 10:04.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | or armor, or whatever |
| 10:04.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | sure, rogues are more single target based and mages are more multiple target based |
| 10:04.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | but those are just class perks |
| 10:04.31 | Calib | Rogues>mages end of story |
| 10:04.33 | Guillotine | art3mis: sure, the design. but not the role |
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| 10:04.42 | art3mis | the design IS the role |
| 10:04.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | when it comes down to it, they just make the little bar go down to 0 |
| 10:04.52 | art3mis | falling back to it's all number is a bullshit argument |
| 10:05.08 | art3mis | druids do numbers so you're equal to amges |
| 10:05.13 | Calib | Rogues can 1v2 thats all |
| 10:05.19 | art3mis | thats about the gist of the argument you're trying to persaude me in |
| 10:05.36 | art3mis | its not the outcome it's HOW it's done |
| 10:05.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | a moonkin should do similar dps to a mage, correct. |
| 10:05.43 | Maldivia | with that argument, healers and dps have the same role aswell, just different means to get to the end result |
| 10:05.43 | art3mis | THAT is what the class wars are all about |
| 10:05.54 | Guillotine | it IS about the outcome |
| 10:06.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | well, they kinda do, Maldivia, but we won't go into that right now |
| 10:06.08 | art3mis | you're missing the point! |
| 10:06.10 | Guillotine | it doesn't matter whether a mage does damage via firebolt or his wand if they both do the same damage, does it? |
| 10:06.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | both are required, however |
| 10:06.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | what's the point |
| 10:06.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | you're not making a point |
| 10:06.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | you're arguing semantics and ignoring what matters |
| 10:06.31 | art3mis | yes ive made it severakl times |
| 10:06.38 | art3mis | the difference is casting vs melee |
| 10:06.42 | art3mis | its THAT simple |
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| 10:06.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's all damage |
| 10:06.53 | art3mis | no pure class should ever be outstripped by a hybrid |
| 10:06.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | it all makes the little bar go from 100% to 0% |
| 10:07.11 | foxlit | art3mis: That line sucks. |
| 10:07.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | sure, let me know when a hybrid comes along that can tank, heal, and dps at the same time and i'll agree with you |
| 10:07.20 | art3mis | which line? |
| 10:07.23 | foxlit | "no.. ever... should..." |
| 10:07.35 | foxlit | Too many absolutes. |
| 10:07.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | foxlit, he's off in crazyland or something |
| 10:07.37 | art3mis | laugh |
| 10:08.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | he's saying warriors have no hybrid roles because they can't cast, and tanking and dps are the same thing as long as they're both in melee |
| 10:08.15 | art3mis | yup |
| 10:08.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | and shadow priests and holy priests are the same thing because they're both casting roles |
| 10:08.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | are we even playing the same game? |
| 10:08.33 | Calib | No |
| 10:08.35 | Guillotine | art3mis: alright, I have this question. Suppose for a moment that ret pallies had NO heals whatsoever and no utility abilities (e.g. bubble or stun). Should they not do as much damage as a hunter only b/c half of their damage is magic? |
| 10:08.50 | art3mis | rabies however is arguing that dps healing tanking are all different roles and thus since a warrior can dps and tank he's a hybrid |
| 10:09.04 | Calib | Art3mis ur a noob |
| 10:09.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | he is a hybrid, he's just not split 3 ways like shamans, druids or pallies |
| 10:09.17 | Calib | Roll a rogue and heal urself |
| 10:09.24 | foxlit | Based on that exposition, I'd agree with the point of view Rabies is presenting. |
| 10:09.34 | art3mis | rogues are lame id never waste a charzcter spot on a pokey ;P |
| 10:09.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | all classes are hybrids except for rogues and mages, they cannot do anything else in any capacity |
| 10:10.09 | art3mis | hunters dont really count... they never have ;) |
| 10:10.22 | Guillotine | art3mis: then suppose in my analogy I used a mage |
| 10:10.43 | art3mis | but if you were to compare a ret pally without all the leahing stuf to a warr |
| 10:10.51 | art3mis | they should be about equal |
| 10:10.58 | art3mis | healing |
| 10:11.11 | art3mis | because technically thats all they are without thier magic |
| 10:11.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | warlocks and hunters can tank decently using their pets, locks can buff and cc and clean buffs, etc using pets, can heal using healthstones, etc |
| 10:11.39 | art3mis | locks and rangers have always beenn special cases |
| 10:11.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | shamans can't really tank in a decent capacity, i'd honestly say hunters are better tanks than shamans |
| 10:11.51 | art3mis | and for the arguement of pure vs hybrid arent valid |
| 10:12.10 | Guillotine | art3mis: I never said without magic. Just without healing. Half of their dps would still be magic (e.g. judgement of righteousness) |
| 10:13.04 | art3mis | paladins in a pure melee fight without healing using thier happy spells to enhance thier melee abilities would outstrip a war |
| 10:13.10 | art3mis | or rather "should" |
| 10:13.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | so |
| 10:13.47 | Guillotine | now suppose that instead of a pally its a druid without healing |
| 10:13.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | i think there was a brown recluse climbing up my wall just now |
| 10:13.53 | Guillotine | same thing? |
| 10:13.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | :X |
| 10:14.10 | art3mis | Guillotine: more or less, and in most cases they can and do |
| 10:14.18 | art3mis | which is where the problem is |
| 10:14.21 | Recluse | D= |
| 10:14.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | i really |
| 10:14.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | really need to fumigate |
| 10:14.34 | Recluse | i tabbed out for that? |
| 10:14.39 | Guillotine | now, suppose that their dps was lowered a bit and in exchange they were given minimal healing abilities. would that be unfair? |
| 10:14.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've been seeing way too many scary lookng spiders to feel safe |
| 10:14.51 | art3mis | a druid can go respect and pretend hes a priest or he can pretend hes a warr or pretend hes a rogue |
| 10:15.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | sure, if he respecs and gets a whole nother gearset |
| 10:15.17 | art3mis | thats a moot point |
| 10:15.24 | art3mis | said warrior however is a warrior |
| 10:15.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | no, it's entirely on point |
| 10:15.32 | art3mis | he cant pretend to be anything else |
| 10:15.49 | Kaso | "If you have a brick and it breaks in half, it is no longer useful as a brick. Thus, you have bricked your brick. " |
| 10:15.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | in a realistic situation you're never going to see a druid swap between 3 roles and do a decent job ever |
| 10:15.52 | Recluse | you make it sound like hybrid classes have no place in the game |
| 10:15.57 | art3mis | said priest cant pretend he's something else (cept a mage but we're no where close to being as deadly) |
| 10:16.03 | art3mis | not at all |
| 10:16.08 | art3mis | hybrids do serve a purpose |
| 10:16.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | to fill slots when none of the first class citizens show up |
| 10:16.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | gotcha |
| 10:16.30 | Recluse | lol |
| 10:16.35 | art3mis | however the main issue is that hybrids in most cases are better than the pure classes at what ever classes they're pretending to be |
| 10:16.38 | nevcairiel | you're only complaining because holy priests do suck in healing :shrug: |
| 10:16.52 | art3mis | i ahvent played holy in about 2 years ;P |
| 10:17.03 | art3mis | and im not complaining at all |
| 10:17.14 | art3mis | what started as a joke got rabies all pissy |
| 10:17.21 | foxlit | "we're no where close to being as deadly" l2p |
| 10:17.34 | art3mis | so i was attempting to put forth the argument of why hybrids dont deserve to be as good as the pure classes |
| 10:17.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | because i took it carefully at first and then found your bias, why you were sore |
| 10:17.40 | foxlit | And I mean that in the politest and most childish way possible |
| 10:17.47 | art3mis | foxlit: in pure casting mages destroy us |
| 10:17.48 | nevcairiel | noone would play hybrids, if they would suck |
| 10:17.51 | art3mis | agaisnt other things |
| 10:17.54 | Guillotine | art3mis: you're nowhere near as close to being as deadly as a mage. feral Druids are nowhere close to being as deadly as a rogue or warrior. Balance druids are nowhere close to being as deadly as a mage. Resto druids ARE close to being as good as a holy priest, but they really can't dps any better than the holy priest |
| 10:17.56 | nevcairiel | i play a resto druid, because i know i can be a very good healer |
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| 10:18.43 | art3mis | again with the specs ignoring the pureist class beliefes |
| 10:18.57 | art3mis | that last part anyways |
| 10:19.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | specs are important |
| 10:19.05 | art3mis | a priest is a priest |
| 10:19.05 | Guillotine | but, in truth, the three specs of druids might as well be 3 seperate classes |
| 10:19.16 | Guillotine | just as a holy priest and a shadow priest might as well be two seperate classes |
| 10:19.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | because they exist, people don't show up spec'd 0/0/0 unless they're donald from darklegacy |
| 10:19.25 | foxlit | Guillotine: I'd be wanting a spell interrupt if they made my spec a class :( |
| 10:19.30 | art3mis | ferals are good meat shields, they are good dps and they are good healers |
| 10:19.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | HAAHAHAH |
| 10:19.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | no |
| 10:19.39 | Guillotine | but they are NOT good healers |
| 10:19.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | they're terrible healers |
| 10:19.47 | Guillotine | and they are good meat shields, but not as good as a warrior |
| 10:19.51 | nevcairiel | ferals are most definetly not good healers |
| 10:19.51 | art3mis | no YOURE a terrible healer |
| 10:19.55 | Guillotine | and they are good dps, but not as good as a warr or rogue or mage or hunter |
| 10:19.58 | bleeter | so anyone taking bets on the Nobel Comittee performing a recount? |
| 10:20.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | they're probably about as good as a level 40 priest in most situations |
| 10:20.08 | foxlit | Dorris Lessing? |
| 10:20.08 | art3mis | i missed some words in there ;P |
| 10:20.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | a feral is about as good at healing as a holy priest is good at dpsing in healing gear |
| 10:20.35 | foxlit | A feral tank's dps output isn't impressive. |
| 10:20.41 | Recluse | i dunno if you can be dps AND tank feral spec. gotta kinda choose one or the other, regardless of gear or you'll be second rate |
| 10:20.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | i do about 250 dps in bear gear |
| 10:20.47 | foxlit | A feral kitten's ability to tank is about as good as a mage's |
| 10:20.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | probably |
| 10:21.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah, probably worse because we can't use our thousands of escape mechanisms |
| 10:21.07 | bleeter | I mean, must've been pretty shitty to have both IPCC and Al Gore win the prize... someone's gotta take it to court and demand a recount |
| 10:21.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | we just lay over and die |
| 10:21.41 | foxlit | Either one of those specs can heal, but that healing isn't directly usable in any meaningful content (i.e. you can in l. |
| 10:21.44 | art3mis | sometimes when bleeter talks i wodner if its just an anti idle script |
| 10:21.52 | Guillotine | art3mis: lol |
| 10:21.53 | bleeter | nah, I'm serious |
| 10:21.55 | foxlit | imited cases prevent someone from dying, but you would never be assigned to heal the MT) |
| 10:22.18 | bleeter | i mean some of you guys are americans, i thought recounts for anything that Gore wins was a national pasttime |
| 10:22.50 | art3mis | but as an end to this repetative round about thing we're got going.. im biased for priests cuz i play one, you're biased towards hybrid classes because you play one, pure classes are biased towards thier |
| 10:23.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | art3mis, i've played every class extensively |
| 10:23.20 | art3mis | if you cant and dont see the other side of the coin you wont understand what the arguement is about |
| 10:23.24 | art3mis | and why it exists |
| 10:23.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | i know the ins and outs of every class except a paladin at midlevel or very highend level |
| 10:23.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | i have seen the other side of the coin, though i'm doubting you have |
| 10:23.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | because you think a feral can do more than tank or dps depending on his gear |
| 10:24.15 | art3mis | im not gonna argue this anymore because you just dont get it |
| 10:24.23 | art3mis | sit in your little box and whine about druids more |
| 10:24.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | i completely get what you're saying |
| 10:24.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's just wrng |
| 10:24.31 | art3mis | ill continue to mock you |
| 10:24.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | wrong* |
| 10:24.32 | Arrowmaster | ive seen a feral druid heal very well |
| 10:24.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | sure, if he way overgears the encounter he can |
| 10:24.44 | art3mis | mr.no-thumbs |
| 10:24.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | i can heal pretty well in SM if i go and run it i guess |
| 10:24.56 | Guillotine | art3mis: I have both 70 priest and 70 druid :) |
| 10:25.07 | Guillotine | priest was my main pre-TBC |
| 10:25.13 | art3mis | and what spec do you mostly play on yer druid? |
| 10:25.30 | Guillotine | I played resto up until about 4 months ago when I switched to feral |
| 10:25.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | i was resto for almost a year because feral was absolutely worthless until 1.8 |
| 10:25.53 | art3mis | do you remember ever respecing your priest to tank? |
| 10:25.54 | Arrowmaster | we used to use a feral druid as our kara offtank and some nights we would have 2 ok-ish healers that wouldnt be able to keep everybody alive on nightbane or prince so the feral druid would swap to healing gear and become a 3rd healer for those fights |
| 10:26.02 | Arrowmaster | he healed just as well as they did |
| 10:26.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | i tanked SM cath on my priest at level 40 |
| 10:26.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | :X |
| 10:26.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | top of every meter |
| 10:26.30 | art3mis | laugh i can tank scholo at 70 in ironweave ;P |
| 10:26.32 | Guillotine | art3mis: but my priest can tank better in healing spec than my druid can heal in tanking spec ;) |
| 10:26.45 | Guillotine | shadow spec* |
| 10:26.45 | art3mis | again thats not the point ;P |
| 10:26.51 | art3mis | but meh |
| 10:26.54 | art3mis | shadow > * |
| 10:26.55 | Guillotine | so yes, my priest was tanking |
| 10:26.56 | art3mis | heh |
| 10:27.04 | art3mis | shadow priests always tank |
| 10:27.10 | art3mis | we may not start out wanting to |
| 10:27.15 | art3mis | but well... you knopw |
| 10:27.16 | Guillotine | so priests DO fulfill as many roles as druids :P |
| 10:27.32 | art3mis | yeah cept our tanking lasts for about 3 seconds and then we run back ;P |
| 10:27.37 | Guillotine | I actually specced my priest for tanking for a bit pre-TBC. got ironweave and a bunch of armor stuff |
| 10:27.41 | Guillotine | was pretty fun |
| 10:27.43 | dieck | hm, tanking != getting beaten. A priest has little methods to increase threat, or to get mobs back on him, once someone overnuked |
| 10:27.44 | Guillotine | tanked part of MC >.> |
| 10:27.48 | art3mis | have you ever seen im gonna git you sucka? |
| 10:27.49 | Arrowmaster | i'm really confused as to what you guys consider a feral spec if you say you cant heal well at all |
| 10:27.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | dieck, Mind Blast |
| 10:27.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | Nuff said |
| 10:28.01 | Guillotine | dieck: they used to back before mind blast was changed :( |
| 10:28.04 | Guillotine | now they don't |
| 10:28.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh that's right |
| 10:28.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | they changed mb |
| 10:28.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | darn |
| 10:28.31 | art3mis | i had an auto trigger that used to say "Oops, get it off me get it off me, it's gonna muss my suit!" |
| 10:28.35 | Guillotine | Arrowmaster: you can heal, but not in feral gear |
| 10:28.36 | dieck | though I'd prefer a priest tank over a proladin :) |
| 10:28.49 | art3mis | Guillotine: and i cant heal at all in shadow ;P |
| 10:28.57 | Guillotine | VE isn't healing? |
| 10:29.06 | dieck | art3mis: l2p VE |
| 10:29.08 | art3mis | ;) |
| 10:29.12 | Guillotine | not to mention you can just pop out, heal, and pop back in |
| 10:29.13 | art3mis | i meant real healing |
| 10:29.21 | dieck | VE is very real healing |
| 10:29.21 | Guillotine | same as a druid pops out of cat, heals, pops back in |
| 10:29.29 | art3mis | not our super charged over powered health and mana batter called vt ve and mindlfay ;P |
| 10:29.30 | Arrowmaster | my friends feral druid has 14 points into resto, seems like enough to be able to heal fine when wearing healing gear |
| 10:29.39 | dieck | a good shadow priest can net heal nearly as much as a bad holy priest :) |
| 10:29.43 | Guillotine | shadowform is like the priest equivalent of cat form |
| 10:29.44 | nevcairiel | 14 in resto is normal feral spec |
| 10:29.53 | nevcairiel | because there are some talents you want |
| 10:30.04 | art3mis | Guillotine: cept we dont have a bear form as well ;P |
| 10:30.05 | Arrowmaster | and those talents are good healing talents too |
| 10:30.18 | nevcairiel | one of them is :P |
| 10:30.20 | nevcairiel | but thats about it |
| 10:30.22 | cryogen | 11:29 < dieck> a good shadow priest can net heal nearly as much as a bad holy |
| 10:30.25 | dieck | nevcairiel: Rage, attack speed, free attacks and manareg :) |
| 10:30.25 | Arrowmaster | 2 are |
| 10:30.26 | cryogen | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:30.28 | cryogen | s/heal/overheal/ |
| 10:30.31 | Guillotine | art3mis: but you have other abilities for survival druids don't ;) Shield, fade, passive aggro reduction talents, ect. |
| 10:30.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | <+Guillotine> same as a druid pops out of cat, heals, pops back in |
| 10:30.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's a lot better than that |
| 10:30.49 | art3mis | yeah tbc took care of shield being useful ;P |
| 10:30.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | i can heal 4 times in my feral gear before i'm oom |
| 10:30.51 | Guillotine | right. you get +damage |
| 10:30.57 | art3mis | nothing says awesome like a 3k cleave ;P |
| 10:30.59 | art3mis | on cloth |
| 10:31.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | for a total of 12000 hp |
| 10:31.04 | art3mis | even with the shield |
| 10:31.06 | art3mis | hehe |
| 10:31.13 | Guillotine | art3mis: then the fade abilities :P |
| 10:31.16 | Guillotine | and threat reduction |
| 10:31.38 | Guillotine | still outweighs a druid in dps gear having to switch to caster, wait for GCD, switch to bear |
| 10:31.41 | art3mis | 30 second cooldown and doesnt work 80% of the time cuz we're just too damn good at damaging ;P |
| 10:31.53 | art3mis | i'd ditch fade for the ability to wear leather |
| 10:32.03 | Arrowmaster | fades a shitty skill |
| 10:32.06 | art3mis | at least then i could take a hit |
| 10:32.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | you have more ac than leather wearers most of the time, art3mis |
| 10:32.09 | Arrowmaster | since it doesnt really do much |
| 10:32.10 | Guillotine | art3mis: not really |
| 10:32.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | you'd have to lose inner fire |
| 10:32.18 | Guillotine | in leather, any boss after kara will still 1 shot you |
| 10:32.23 | Guillotine | any mob after for that case |
| 10:32.29 | art3mis | i was talking to someone about that |
| 10:32.31 | Guillotine | heck, in mail most mobs will 1-shot you |
| 10:32.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | unless i'm in _tanking gear_ priests often have more armor than me |
| 10:32.35 | art3mis | inner fire used to be awesome |
| 10:32.43 | art3mis | then they added the 20 hits thing |
| 10:32.47 | art3mis | and it stopped being awesome |
| 10:32.55 | Arrowmaster | even in mail, if your not wearing a sheild and not a hunter (agi gives armor) |
| 10:32.56 | art3mis | now its sorta meh |
| 10:33.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | it was terrible having to recast it ever what...3 mins? |
| 10:33.17 | art3mis | Mr_Rabies2: if you get aggro 3mins would be a godsend |
| 10:33.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | now you rarely cast it that often unless you're in pvp or doing something awfully wrong |
| 10:33.35 | art3mis | in most accidental aggro pulsl that inner fire goes away in about 5 seconds |
| 10:33.49 | art3mis | i liekd it before the 20 hit counter |
| 10:33.52 | art3mis | liked |
| 10:34.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | what the hell do you fight with a 4 hits per second attack |
| 10:34.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | not including your shield, etc |
| 10:34.25 | art3mis | well most of the stuff in outlands ;P |
| 10:34.28 | Arrowmaster | shamans? |
| 10:34.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't know anything that has a 0.25sec attack speed |
| 10:34.38 | art3mis | i wont even get into pvp |
| 10:34.42 | Arrowmaster | stuff with thrash? |
| 10:34.58 | art3mis | those hook clawed rock eaters |
| 10:35.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | theirs is about a 1.0 or so |
| 10:35.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | which gives you 20 sec + your shield timer |
| 10:35.23 | art3mis | oh sorry 20 seconds |
| 10:35.28 | art3mis | by then im dead |
| 10:35.35 | art3mis | very very very dead |
| 10:36.05 | art3mis | the other thing that kind of bothers me about the different armour types |
| 10:36.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | level a druid to 70, and you'll see my side |
| 10:36.16 | art3mis | is that it seems the better the type gets the better the stats |
| 10:36.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | often times priests out AC me by a decent margin |
| 10:36.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | and not at all art3mis |
| 10:36.35 | art3mis | "seems" |
| 10:36.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | you don't seem to understand how item budget works |
| 10:36.44 | art3mis | and nope |
| 10:36.59 | art3mis | prior to tbc that is |
| 10:37.12 | art3mis | lately ive noticed that they're making the attempt to mostly make it balance |
| 10:37.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | before tbc there weren't any casting leathers or plate |
| 10:37.31 | art3mis | but 1-60 same level gear cloth vs leather leather always was cooler |
| 10:37.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | well, healing |
| 10:37.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | but not nuking |
| 10:37.48 | art3mis | holy christ |
| 10:37.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | and the numbers were almost always identical on same ilvl stuff |
| 10:38.03 | art3mis | its 6:30 |
| 10:38.11 | art3mis | bed time for me, ciao |
| 10:38.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | level a druid to 70 when you wake up |
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| 10:38.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | learn more about the class you understand so little about before complaining about it |
| 10:39.51 | bleeter | I ain't touched my druid in a while, then Blizz announced the XP acceleration for pre-BC content so I touched it less since then ;) |
| 10:40.48 | Fisker- | i touch you at night |
| 10:41.00 | bleeter | was gunna run from duskwood to nethergarde to grab the FP, figured I'd grind some of those stupid li'l dragonlings along the way, see if the emerald pet one might drop for me |
| 10:41.07 | Arrowmaster | i cant level my druid |
| 10:41.13 | bleeter | dropped first kill |
| 10:41.20 | Arrowmaster | no inventory space since im using it as a mule now |
| 10:41.27 | bleeter | such a let down... went and got the FP and ain't been near her since |
| 10:41.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | Arrowmaster, it's not much different at endgame |
| 10:41.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | i have 4 item sets now |
| 10:42.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | two of them mediocre and still has pieces of Tier 2 |
| 10:42.04 | Arrowmaster | im a packrat warlock |
| 10:42.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | because managing 4 sets is impossible :/ |
| 10:42.11 | Arrowmaster | you cant beat me for least inventory slots |
| 10:42.25 | Arrowmaster | since ill always hit 0 during a raid |
| 10:42.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | wanna bet :x |
| 10:42.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | i raided with 3 slots open for about a year |
| 10:42.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | one stack of potions |
| 10:42.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | nothing that wasn't absolutely required |
| 10:43.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | 3 slots left |
| 10:43.08 | Arrowmaster | i raided with a max of 12 shards and 0 open slots for about a year |
| 10:43.22 | Guillotine | I raided with nothing in my inventory and 0 slots open |
| 10:43.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | all i could delete was my mount or armor :[ |
| 10:43.29 | Guillotine | thats right, I had no bags and got rid of my backpack |
| 10:43.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | your mom's a backpack |
| 10:43.50 | Guillotine | our discussions turn quite strange in the early morning :P |
| 10:43.57 | Arrowmaster | i think i have 24 halloween wands in my bank still |
| 10:44.20 | Arrowmaster | i dont have any room to put this years |
| 10:44.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | i went in and absolutely decimated my inventory twice now |
| 10:45.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | only thing i didn't delete were minipets |
| 10:45.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | i have about a bag and a half of minipets |
| 10:45.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | pretty much all of them that aren't rare rare world drops |
| 10:45.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | because i'd rather sell em :p |
| 10:46.37 | Arrowmaster | i think i had the first oozling on my server |
| 10:46.54 | Arrowmaster | since i got it the day of the patch that added them after farming for about 1-2 hours |
| 10:48.13 | Maldivia | heh... so the epic flying engineering mount requires a doll... |
| 10:49.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | apparently from griftah |
| 10:49.16 | Arrowmaster | is he still outside shatt? |
| 10:49.40 | Arrowmaster | or did they move him to zul'aman so he could become zul'jin? |
| 10:49.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | lols |
| 10:50.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | in shatt i think |
| 10:50.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | mayne outside |
| 10:50.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | not sure |
| 10:50.12 | Arrowmaster | hes been outside since 2.2 |
| 10:50.14 | bleeter | I got a pic of an engi mount |
| 10:50.16 | Arrowmaster | they kicked him out |
| 10:50.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah |
| 10:50.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | but they may have moved him back in |
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| 10:50.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | someone said "inside shatt" |
| 10:50.51 | bleeter | http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y164/hettbeans/gyrocoptoranim.gif |
| 10:51.39 | Arrowmaster | fuck now im going to have to drop mining and pickup engineering |
| 10:51.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | <3 tiltrotor |
| 10:51.50 | Arrowmaster | anybody know if you can drop engineering and keep the mounts? |
| 10:51.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | not sure yet |
| 10:52.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | but i highly doubt it |
| 10:52.13 | bleeter | reckon you could keep it |
| 10:52.16 | bleeter | but not use it ;) |
| 10:52.20 | bleeter | just a guess tho |
| 10:52.34 | foxlit | The engineering mount should be a summonable mount for your minipets |
| 10:52.45 | Arrowmaster | i still need to drop mining and pickup enchanting so i can enchant my rings |
| 10:52.57 | foxlit | You use the item, your mini-diablo gets in the choper, you mount up, and, together, you fly off into the night. |
| 10:53.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | Arrowmaster |
| 10:53.23 | foxlit | Overall, that'd keep with the theme of engineering being useless but pretty. |
| 10:53.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | is it really worth ~5000g or so for a couple small enchants on rings you'll shortly replace? |
| 10:54.03 | Arrowmaster | well i would keep enchanting and keep +12dmg on both rings from then on..... |
| 10:54.08 | mikma | roflcopter |
| 10:54.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh okay, if you'll keep it |
| 10:54.26 | Arrowmaster | i never mine anyway |
| 10:54.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | shit's expensive to level |
| 10:54.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | :[ |
| 10:54.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | mine's still at like |
| 10:54.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | 325 |
| 10:54.44 | bleeter | I'm still pissed there ain't a BC set of jumper cables with 66 or 75% chance |
| 10:54.45 | Arrowmaster | i have enchanting on like all my alts |
| 10:54.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | think i may drop it |
| 10:54.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | keep my mats |
| 10:55.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | and pick up mining or something |
| 10:55.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | and basically mooch off guildies |
| 10:55.22 | bleeter | jumper cables, repair bots, guns and ammo |
| 10:55.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | repair bot inc |
| 10:55.31 | bleeter | fuck all else |
| 10:55.41 | bleeter | is of real use from an engi |
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| 10:55.51 | bleeter | me, I just like blowing shit up for fun |
| 10:55.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | goggles |
| 10:55.53 | bleeter | oh, yeah |
| 10:55.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | and the bombs are nice |
| 10:56.01 | bleeter | blowing up lockboxes when there's no rogue around |
| 10:56.05 | Arrowmaster | fuck goggles |
| 10:56.18 | Arrowmaster | got the only goggles youll ever need from brewfest |
| 10:56.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | reverseengineering is a really nice addon for engineers (or any other profession, but definitely engineers) |
| 10:56.20 | bleeter | breaking IN to arc |
| 10:56.34 | Arrowmaster | great for tailors too |
| 10:56.37 | Arrowmaster | annoying bolts |
| 10:57.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4940 |
| 10:57.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | <3 |
| 10:57.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | loves it |
| 10:58.03 | bleeter | deepdive helmet's useful |
| 10:58.09 | bleeter | he says as he swims underwater to mine |
| 10:59.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | i miss being able to herb in angry seal form |
| 10:59.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | :[ |
| 10:59.15 | Arrowmaster | you cant herb in seal form anymore? |
| 10:59.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | made stranglekelp gathering fun |
| 10:59.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | couldn't last time i checked |
| 10:59.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | there's a lot of stuff that you can't do in forms and it really sucks :/ |
| 10:59.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | chests, making primals, etc |
| 10:59.39 | Arrowmaster | i probably havent tried on my druid in 2 years |
| 10:59.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | you used to be able to open chests |
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| 11:00.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | i remember being so pissed when they removed it when they removed it for shadowform's |
| 11:00.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | then reinstated it for shadowform and left us alone |
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| 11:00.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | kinda like when they put a cast time on soothe beast because they did it to mind soothe |
| 11:00.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | then restored it for mind soothe |
| 11:00.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | and not soothe beast |
| 11:01.12 | bleeter | yeah, I totally don't get some of that stuff Mr_Rabies2 |
| 11:01.22 | bleeter | can make bandages when in form, but iirc can't use them.. like.. wtf |
| 11:01.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | right |
| 11:01.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | couldn't make them for years |
| 11:01.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | or talk to npcs |
| 11:01.44 | Arrowmaster | you can make bandages but not convert primals? |
| 11:01.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | or open chests, or loot doodads on the ground, or use quest items |
| 11:01.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | right, arrow |
| 11:01.54 | Arrowmaster | thats just silly |
| 11:02.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | and can't open some types of containers that are items |
| 11:02.06 | Arrowmaster | can you make bandages while flying? |
| 11:02.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | can open lockboxes but not some of the other stuff |
| 11:02.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | yes |
| 11:02.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | well |
| 11:02.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | hovering |
| 11:02.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | :p |
| 11:02.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | (and we can herb in flight form again but we have to be "standing" and not flying) |
| 11:02.47 | Arrowmaster | oh yeah didnt they nerf crow loopdloops too this patch? |
| 11:02.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | it says "you are flying" until you hit the ground |
| 11:02.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | did they? |
| 11:02.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | i haven't checked |
| 11:03.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | there's really no reason to |
| 11:03.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | they added it specifically for /mountspecial O_o |
| 11:03.20 | Arrowmaster | well the normal flying mounts look weird when you do it |
| 11:03.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | they roar |
| 11:03.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | on the ground |
| 11:03.42 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 11:03.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | dunno about midair |
| 11:04.01 | Arrowmaster | same animation |
| 11:04.04 | Arrowmaster | well used to |
| 11:05.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | i mean |
| 11:05.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | i could survive without potions or procs for a while longer if they tided us over with chests, etc |
| 11:06.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | i understand not letting us potion in traveling forms |
| 11:06.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | but combat ones, it's just dumb |
| 11:07.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | i mean i could even see giving shamans instant cast ghost wolf to compensate since their only form is travel |
| 11:07.58 | Arrowmaster | they have instant ghost wolf if they spec for it |
| 11:08.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | nah |
| 11:08.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | 1sec |
| 11:08.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | unless they buffed it |
| 11:08.15 | Arrowmaster | i dont remember |
| 11:08.21 | Arrowmaster | i know they can NS ghostwolf |
| 11:08.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | my shaman had it at one point |
| 11:08.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | heh |
| 11:08.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's such a waste |
| 11:08.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | if i saw a shaman do that i'd hibernate him on my druid and laugh |
| 11:08.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | or just dispel it on my priest |
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| 12:07.03 | Maldivia | uhh nice... |
| 12:08.11 | Maldivia | although somewhat useless anyway |
| 12:16.07 | mikma | where's the guildbank in PTR? |
| 12:17.15 | Kalroth | it's not |
| 12:17.46 | mikma | it should be |
| 12:17.53 | JoshBorke | you should be! |
| 12:18.16 | mikma | NO U |
| 12:18.45 | Kalroth | no, it'll be enabled later on, mikma |
| 12:18.47 | JoshBorke | you're right, i should be |
| 12:18.48 | Kalroth | rtfpn! |
| 12:18.49 | JoshBorke | but i'm too lazy |
| 12:18.50 | JoshBorke | so :-P |
| 12:19.37 | bleeter | is it just me, or is the PTR copy char/dl client page dead? |
| 12:20.23 | sag_ich_nicht | lol |
| 12:20.36 | sag_ich_nicht | using unicode direction charactercodes to evade forum censor=lulz |
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| 12:25.20 | mikma | bleeter: has beed "dead" for atleast 2 hours (the time i've been trying) |
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| 12:25.57 | bleeter | mikma: ah, thx... thought I was losing my mind. I've been trying on and off for.. 5 or so hours ;) |
| 12:26.21 | mikma | bleeter: sometimes i can get to "Yes, copy me" part but then i get error |
| 12:26.36 | bleeter | mikma: I can't even bring up the login |
| 12:26.43 | bleeter | just times out |
| 12:26.50 | mikma | bleeter: btw i'm using eu |
| 12:27.00 | bleeter | ohhh :P yar, us here |
| 12:32.10 | dreamss | dam zeeg forgot to pay his bill again |
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| 12:44.07 | Nom- | ok awesome |
| 12:44.18 | Nom- | you can see ! and ? on your minimap to show where quest givers are |
| 12:44.22 | Nom- | even ones you never been to before |
| 12:44.36 | Kaso | that is pretty cool |
| 12:45.07 | Kaso | Any luck on "low level q givers being indicated somehow" thing though? |
| 12:45.31 | Nom- | not to mention you can track repair dudes, food/drink |
| 12:45.40 | dreamss | regent!! |
| 12:45.43 | Nom- | anything you can think of you can now track for in the default ui to find them neaby |
| 12:45.46 | Nom- | reagent too, yes |
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| 12:47.16 | Fisker- | Kaso they don't |
| 12:48.26 | sag_ich_nicht | btw. |
| 12:48.28 | sag_ich_nicht | THREAT REDUCTION |
| 12:48.50 | dreamss | http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/10/11/not-guilty-verdict-in-homeless-feeding-trial/ |
| 12:48.52 | dreamss | wtf |
| 12:48.57 | dreamss | none of it sag? |
| 12:49.08 | sag_ich_nicht | ZERO |
| 12:49.15 | sag_ich_nicht | NULL |
| 12:49.16 | sag_ich_nicht | NADA |
| 12:49.18 | sag_ich_nicht | NOTHING |
| 12:49.23 | sag_ich_nicht | NICHTS |
| 12:49.26 | sag_ich_nicht | NILL |
| 12:49.42 | Kaso | sag_ich_nicht, seriously this isnt the wow forums, can you at least be slightly rational and reasonable in here. |
| 12:50.03 | dreamss | ill sell you a trinket that "has chance to lower treat on targets by 30 yards" |
| 12:50.24 | sag_ich_nicht | i know it. it sucks. |
| 12:50.28 | sag_ich_nicht | Kaso: THREAT REDUCTION? |
| 12:50.32 | dreamss | hes venting off on the non retard area |
| 12:51.47 | Fisker- | bah boring dreamss |
| 12:51.47 | Fisker- | hoped it was about someone feeding on homeless people |
| 12:52.11 | sag_ich_nicht | so did i |
| 12:52.12 | sag_ich_nicht | :( |
| 12:52.14 | dreamss | ban on feeding homeless people? |
| 12:52.20 | dreamss | were is this country going |
| 12:52.22 | dreamss | lol |
| 12:52.36 | sag_ich_nicht | wrong |
| 12:52.39 | sag_ich_nicht | it's already there |
| 12:52.46 | sag_ich_nicht | and guess what it is? ASS |
| 12:52.47 | sag_ich_nicht | :( |
| 12:53.14 | Fisker- | dreamss the link doesn't exactly tell me anything on the subject |
| 12:53.35 | Fisker- | but it's going to hell |
| 12:53.37 | Fisker- | and old news too |
| 12:53.42 | dreamss | guy got arrested for feeding homeless people? |
| 12:53.46 | dreamss | went to court |
| 12:53.58 | dreamss | http://ve3d.ign.com/images/fullsize/17453/PC/Crysis <-- anyone notice any diference? |
| 12:54.30 | bleeter | well, I give up on the PTR webserver |
| 12:54.31 | Fisker- | yes |
| 12:54.32 | Fisker- | rubble |
| 12:54.52 | sag_ich_nicht | bleeter: paladins around the world are focusing their MIND to destroy the PTR server. that's why. |
| 12:55.03 | dreamss | NOOOO |
| 12:55.10 | dreamss | not untill i get my shaman love |
| 12:55.23 | dreamss | then u guys can burn down blizz HQ |
| 12:55.41 | sag_ich_nicht | dreamss: yeah, different normalmaps and lighting |
| 12:55.42 | sag_ich_nicht | right? :O |
| 12:56.38 | Fisker- | i gotta pee sag_ich_nicht |
| 12:56.39 | Fisker- | ON YOU |
| 12:57.07 | sag_ich_nicht | Fisker- okay. *me holds up his 10000V/50A power line* |
| 12:57.23 | sag_ich_nicht | enjoy your penis burn. |
| 12:57.49 | Fisker- | you don't get penis burns for peeing on an electric fence |
| 12:58.04 | dreamss | its complicated |
| 12:58.21 | dreamss | u might form current from the pee line |
| 12:58.49 | Fisker- | who said anything about not getting a shock? |
| 12:59.09 | dreamss | not sure how conductive pee is tho |
| 12:59.19 | Fisker- | very |
| 12:59.22 | sag_ich_nicht | very conductive. |
| 12:59.26 | dreamss | i assume it is |
| 12:59.30 | sag_ich_nicht | [14:57] <Fisker-> you don't get penis burns for peeing on an electric fence <--electric fence has high voltage, low amp |
| 12:59.33 | dreamss | since got salts and stuff |
| 12:59.46 | Fisker- | i still didn't get any burns |
| 12:59.52 | sag_ich_nicht | yeah. |
| 12:59.56 | sag_ich_nicht | because low amp. |
| 12:59.58 | mikma | didn't mythbusters test that already |
| 13:00.00 | sag_ich_nicht | and high voltage. |
| 13:00.02 | sag_ich_nicht | but |
| 13:00.10 | sag_ich_nicht | i said 10000V and 50A |
| 13:00.11 | sag_ich_nicht | so |
| 13:00.13 | sag_ich_nicht | 500000W |
| 13:00.14 | sag_ich_nicht | so |
| 13:00.16 | Fisker- | who cares? |
| 13:00.19 | Fisker- | I'm dead anyways |
| 13:00.20 | sag_ich_nicht | you are pretty guaranteed dead :X |
| 13:00.44 | cryogen | mikma: they did |
| 13:00.56 | cryogen | piss doesnt form a complete enough stream |
| 13:01.13 | Fisker- | for what? |
| 13:01.14 | cryogen | piss itself conducts electricity, but the pee stream is not continuous |
| 13:01.24 | Fisker- | Tell that to my dick |
| 13:01.25 | Fisker- | dick! |
| 13:01.34 | cryogen | get a slow motion camera |
| 13:01.39 | cryogen | and record yourself peeing :p |
| 13:01.46 | cryogen | (mythbusters did already) |
| 13:02.05 | mikma | adam did get a small zap |
| 13:02.08 | Kaso | They actually re-did that test and managed to shock themselves when actually peeing on a cattle fence |
| 13:02.10 | Fisker- | i wouldn't dream of recording myself getting pwnt by electric fence |
| 13:02.18 | Fisker- | of course |
| 13:02.25 | cryogen | a fence is different though, its higher |
| 13:02.27 | dreamss | unless u get paid for it |
| 13:02.52 | Fisker- | i peed on a electric fence so i pretty damn well know that my pee stream is conductive :I |
| 13:03.19 | mikma | well i know it's possible too because i saw adam taking a zap in mythbusters when he did pee into the fence |
| 13:03.29 | dreamss | might depend on ur pee, it might be more conductive on certian conditions |
| 13:04.21 | dreamss | whoever reads this shit will think were into scat |
| 13:04.23 | cryogen | piss is conductive |
| 13:04.27 | cryogen | they didnt argue that at all |
| 13:04.45 | cryogen | its just when you pee, the longer the distance the more the stream splits up |
| 13:05.09 | Fisker- | dunno guess i was less than a meter from it :P |
| 13:05.15 | cryogen | if you happen to be a forcefully fast pisser |
| 13:05.15 | Fisker- | t |
| 13:05.18 | cryogen | i guess it could be worse |
| 13:05.40 | dreamss | lol |
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| 13:06.13 | Fisker- | ah |
| 13:06.23 | Fisker- | that's why i had that with my corpse jumping when i died :D |
| 13:06.27 | Fisker- | they have gravity now |
| 13:06.34 | dreamss | "kid electrocutes himself on pee" |
| 13:06.39 | dreamss | while sleeping |
| 13:09.49 | Wobin_ | electric blanket? |
| 13:12.07 | cryogen | lol |
| 13:15.29 | Fisker- | i want to die |
| 13:15.41 | dreamss | #suicide on efnet |
| 13:16.14 | dreamss | http://amsterdamn.org/unique/5f07841f.gif |
| 13:16.15 | dreamss | heh |
| 13:17.11 | wereHamster | lol |
| 13:19.55 | Nom- | woot |
| 13:20.00 | Nom- | wanted posters have a ! above them now |
| 13:20.43 | Kaso | hah what the |
| 13:21.01 | dreamss | dude sounds like 2.3 is 1.0 |
| 13:21.27 | Kaso | That reminds me, in fresher's fair this year at uni all the LARPers were walking about with these big poles with yellow ! on the top, which was pretty cute. |
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| 13:45.02 | dreamss | http://ircspider.com/image.php?id=14616&sort=1 |
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| 13:51.37 | Kaso | dreamss, that is about the most awesome thing i can imagine |
| 13:51.38 | dreamss | http://www.worldofraids.com/news/october/zulaman/loot/trinket2.jpg <-- O_o badass |
| 13:52.55 | foxlit | That's a trinket? |
| 13:53.04 | Kaso | Really? 2% is pretty low, and it seems to be tied to the Z'A zone |
| 13:53.12 | foxlit | I think it's consumable |
| 13:53.34 | foxlit | 2%*30% |
| 13:53.38 | dreamss | http://www.worldofraids.com/news/october/zulaman/loot/trinket1.jpg |
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| 14:24.49 | Nom- | Bleh |
| 14:24.54 | Nom- | I didn't get into the character copies early enough |
| 14:25.08 | Nom- | I have to wait for the queue to clear out now... 2 days it claimed when I actually managed to submit mine |
| 14:25.11 | Nom- | *sigh* |
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| 14:33.20 | Kaydeethree | bah. that's what I get for not trying harder last night |
| 14:33.25 | Kaydeethree | now the queue's officially full |
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| 14:57.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Kaydeethree, you can always do what I'm going, and roll a level one alt! |
| 14:57.10 | ScytheBlade1 | They didn't shut off character *creation* ;) |
| 14:57.18 | Kaydeethree | probably about to |
| 14:57.21 | Cidan | or you can just... wait |
| 14:57.28 | Cidan | The world isn't going to explode |
| 14:57.29 | Cidan | :P |
| 14:57.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Lies |
| 14:57.50 | Kaydeethree | but what the hell... a texture for wrath and for the emerald dream got shipped in this patch |
| 14:58.15 | Cidan | could have been an accident |
| 14:58.29 | Cidan | but at least we know that the emerald dream is coming in the exp pack. |
| 14:58.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Define 'a texture' |
| 14:59.56 | Kaydeethree | one sec, reloading the .mpq |
| 15:00.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Okay, this could be annoying |
| 15:00.27 | zenzelezz | someone remind me, was there really no sound for the Twin Emperors' "there will be pain" conversation? |
| 15:00.35 | Kaydeethree | there was |
| 15:00.50 | ScytheBlade1 | There are now icons on the minimap for every quest giver that has a "!" above their head |
| 15:00.57 | Josh_Borke | woot |
| 15:01.00 | ScytheBlade1 | And every turn in, in the form of a "?" on the minimap |
| 15:01.06 | Josh_Borke | that is AWESOME |
| 15:01.09 | Kaydeethree | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:01.12 | ScytheBlade1 | ... and every REPEATABLE turning, with a blue "?" |
| 15:01.15 | Cidan | oh excellent! |
| 15:01.19 | Josh_Borke | ok, that last one sucks |
| 15:01.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah. Last one sucks. |
| 15:01.25 | Cidan | Instant radar so we no longer have to explore ever! |
| 15:01.29 | Josh_Borke | the others rock |
| 15:01.29 | Kaydeethree | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:01.36 | Cidan | let's just dumb down the game even more! |
| 15:01.42 | Cidan | Fuck difficult, who cares right? |
| 15:01.45 | zenzelezz | been trying to find those sound files quite unsuccessfully... been too long since AQ40 |
| 15:01.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Cidan, better end it before it gets worse. |
| 15:02.06 | Cidan | You're right. |
| 15:02.08 | Josh_Borke | you should just quit now cidan :-) |
| 15:02.15 | ScytheBlade1 | There we go |
| 15:02.17 | Kaydeethree | zen, check in the Data/locale/speech-locale.MPQ file |
| 15:02.35 | Josh_Borke | i think i would prefer that they are only shown if you've already found them once |
| 15:03.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Cidan, http://studentpages.scad.edu/~csteel20/ban/02.gif |
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| 15:03.59 | Josh_Borke | lol |
| 15:04.02 | Josh_Borke | he should delete his characters |
| 15:04.10 | ScytheBlade1 | !rating 1628 |
| 15:04.10 | Xinhuan | 1628 rating gives 503(5s), 443(3s) and 382(2s) arena points. (Formula updated 26 Sept!) (Use !points for inverse calc) |
| 15:04.11 | Josh_Borke | and have someone else set the parental control password |
| 15:04.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Ohh. 443 points for my first ever 10 arena games. |
| 15:04.59 | Cidan | Josh_Borke: doesn't work |
| 15:05.01 | Cidan | I did that once |
| 15:05.05 | Cidan | had a GM restore them |
| 15:05.05 | Cidan | :/ |
| 15:05.14 | Josh_Borke | what about the parental controls? |
| 15:05.32 | Kaydeethree | zenzelezz, in your speech-<locale>.mpq: /Sound/Creature/VekLor and VekNilash |
| 15:06.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Aww, they locked down the console functions properly this round |
| 15:06.56 | zenzelezz | Kaydeethree: been checking those, none of them seem to be the phrases I was looking for ("there will be pain", etc), I'm starting to wonder if the chat was different from their vocal taunts |
| 15:07.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Wait |
| 15:07.04 | ScytheBlade1 | HOLY CRAP |
| 15:07.08 | Nom- | ugh... i can't beleive there's any question in the Blizz developers' minds that a threat reduction isn't needed |
| 15:07.09 | ScytheBlade1 | SS inc in a moment |
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| 15:08.09 | ScytheBlade1 | They have built-in tracking |
| 15:08.13 | ScytheBlade1 | For EVERYTHING NPC RELATED |
| 15:09.51 | Cidan | It has begun... |
| 15:10.00 | Kaydeethree | patch-enUS-3.MPQ/MINIMAP/Tracking/{Ammunition/Auctioneer/Banker/BattleMaster/Class/FlightMaster/Food/Innkeeper/None/ObjectIcons/Poisons/Profession/Reagents/Repair/StableMaster}.blp |
| 15:10.08 | Kaydeethree | those, sbo? |
| 15:10.16 | Cidan | Redhad and Novell sued for patent infringment |
| 15:10.17 | ScytheBlade1 | http://images.aboveaverageurl.com/WoW/2.3-PTR/ |
| 15:10.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup. |
| 15:10.22 | Cidan | First on the list: Multiple desktops |
| 15:10.31 | Cidan | This... will be bloody. |
| 15:12.01 | MoonWolf | multiple dekstops..... |
| 15:12.10 | Cidan | Yeah, just, don't. |
| 15:12.18 | Cidan | Let's not discuss it, my head hurts |
| 15:12.40 | MoonWolf | fine |
| 15:12.42 | zenzelezz | Cidan: sued by who? |
| 15:12.46 | MoonWolf | MS |
| 15:12.48 | Cidan | no |
| 15:12.50 | Cidan | not MS |
| 15:12.53 | Kaydeethree | some patent troll company |
| 15:12.54 | dreamss | http://www.dailydomainer.com/200775-domain-tasting-monitoring-searches.html |
| 15:12.57 | dreamss | lol |
| 15:13.03 | dreamss | dig any domain.com |
| 15:13.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Cidan, then you better not see how easymode the built-in tracking is now: http://images.aboveaverageurl.com/WoW/2.3-PTR/WoWScrnShot_101207_090805.jpg |
| 15:13.04 | zenzelezz | you'd think people had learned from SCO |
| 15:13.19 | Cidan | A patent troll company who hired Microsoft execs |
| 15:13.23 | Cidan | They "migrated" over |
| 15:13.42 | Cidan | WHAT THE FUCK |
| 15:13.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Haha. |
| 15:13.50 | MoonWolf | link ? |
| 15:13.53 | Cidan | You can now just click on the map and see where all vendors are?1 |
| 15:13.55 | ScytheBlade1 | http://images.aboveaverageurl.com/WoW/2.3-PTR/WoWScrnShot_101207_090805.jpg |
| 15:13.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup |
| 15:14.00 | ScytheBlade1 | For any type of ANYTHING |
| 15:14.06 | Cidan | What is this, Oblivion?! |
| 15:14.07 | ScytheBlade1 | As you can clearly see in my screenshot |
| 15:14.34 | ScytheBlade1 | You can also see the quest markers on that SS |
| 15:14.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Notably the repeatable one that EVERYONE IGNORES |
| 15:14.48 | ScytheBlade1 | And now no one will be able to ignore it |
| 15:15.05 | Cidan | and account is now canceled |
| 15:15.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Cidan, here's a friend of mine: http://img239.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture1rs6.png |
| 15:16.13 | Nom- | bleh the PTR client is pretty crashy |
| 15:16.30 | Cidan | That about sums it up. |
| 15:16.36 | Nom- | Doesn't even come up with a crash submission though |
| 15:16.42 | Nom- | It just CTD with no messages |
| 15:21.04 | Cairenn|afk | http://www.i-am-bored.com/bored_link.cfm?link_id=25465 |
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| 15:23.50 | Nom- | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2366677540&sid=1 |
| 15:23.55 | Nom- | Anyone else able to reproduce that ? |
| 15:24.43 | Fisker- | "reproduce it" |
| 15:24.56 | Fisker- | It basically happens each every time you are disconnected |
| 15:26.01 | Nom- | ah kk |
| 15:26.04 | Nom- | so it's not just me :P |
| 15:26.10 | Nom- | one has to wonder how that got past the QA team |
| 15:28.09 | cryogen | they run on stable servers, clearly! |
| 15:30.07 | Fisker- | weren't they talking about a pretty significant bug making it into the PTR build? |
| 15:31.42 | Kaydeethree | arena stuff |
| 15:32.37 | Fisker- | oh |
| 15:37.29 | Nom- | must...get...paladin...to level 01 |
| 15:37.31 | Nom- | 10 even |
| 15:37.34 | Nom- | need to see talent trees |
| 15:38.57 | cryogen | crap/crap/crap |
| 15:38.58 | cryogen | there :) |
| 15:38.59 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 15:39.13 | cryogen | are hunters really getting disarming shot? or is it a mob ability? |
| 15:39.39 | Codayus | cryogen: No info indicates they ARE, but it really doesn't look like a mob ability |
| 15:40.01 | cryogen | yeah, it even has an icon |
| 15:40.15 | Codayus | And requires a ranged weapon. |
| 15:40.17 | Codayus | So... |
| 15:40.34 | Codayus | There's a few other hunter-ish skills floating around, none of which actual hunters have on the PTR |
| 15:40.50 | cryogen | maybe they are cotemplating a talent change |
| 15:40.57 | cryogen | or maybe they included it by accident |
| 15:40.59 | Codayus | Looks like they're trying to decide between a MS shot, a disarm shot, or maybe something else. |
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| 15:41.21 | Codayus | Or nothing at all, of course. :) But as a talent or skill or what... Who knows? |
| 15:41.22 | cryogen | i guess this is their "make hunters useful in arena" change |
| 15:41.41 | cryogen | s/useful/desirable/ |
| 15:42.10 | cryogen | the new badge gear looks awesome |
| 15:42.15 | Intangir | did anyone get on the PTR yet? |
| 15:42.17 | Intangir | i downloaded it |
| 15:42.22 | Intangir | but it isnt online last i tried |
| 15:42.25 | cryogen | gonna take years to get all those badges tho :) |
| 15:42.40 | Josh_Borke | not really :-D |
| 15:42.48 | Josh_Borke | just a lot of time :-D |
| 15:42.52 | cryogen | yarr |
| 15:42.56 | Intangir | you get badges from karazhan now |
| 15:43.00 | Intangir | how many badges are you talking about? |
| 15:43.06 | Josh_Borke | cause you can do all the instances in 1 day |
| 15:43.08 | cryogen | its like 80 per gear piece |
| 15:43.14 | Intangir | what kind of gear? |
| 15:43.23 | Josh_Borke | 12 * 3 = 36 badges just from heroic instances |
| 15:43.25 | cryogen | there's full sets now |
| 15:43.33 | Josh_Borke | assuming each instance drops 3 badges on average |
| 15:43.35 | cryogen | gloves 60 badges |
| 15:43.37 | Codayus | 10 badges for a kara clear... |
| 15:43.39 | cryogen | pants 75 |
| 15:43.43 | cryogen | bracers 35 |
| 15:43.47 | cryogen | chest 75 |
| 15:43.52 | cryogen | shoulders 60 |
| 15:43.57 | Codayus | And there's heroic daily quests with badge rewards. |
| 15:44.01 | Intangir | wtf? is it any good? |
| 15:44.03 | Codayus | Multiple badges, I forget how many. |
| 15:44.05 | Intangir | is it a pvp set or a pve set? |
| 15:44.11 | cryogen | Intangir: http://www.mmo-champion.com/ |
| 15:44.15 | Codayus | Intangir: The tanking plate pwn T5 badly. |
| 15:44.42 | Codayus | As in, OMG HOW MUCH STAMINA badly. :-) Hunters, apparently, take one look at the gear and give a bitter laugh. |
| 15:45.14 | Intangir | i wonder what the rogue stuff is like |
| 15:45.22 | Intangir | is any of this new gear viewable online somewhere yet? |
| 15:45.32 | Codayus | Anyhow, mostly pve gear, t oanswer your question, some okay, some great. Roughly T5 qualiity, so it's good if you like how they itemized it. |
| 15:45.34 | cryogen | i just gave you the link :) |
| 15:45.40 | Intangir | oh |
| 15:45.40 | cryogen | check these out: |
| 15:45.56 | cryogen | pants with 45 agi 46 sta 92 ap and 30 haste rating OO |
| 15:45.58 | cryogen | o_O |
| 15:45.59 | Codayus | There's one ZA loot known so far, but that's it. Cloth heal robes. |
| 15:46.12 | Intangir | thats gay |
| 15:46.16 | Intangir | why are they making badges get you gear? |
| 15:46.25 | Codayus | Badges always got you gear. :) |
| 15:46.26 | Intangir | i mean set gear |
| 15:46.33 | cryogen | the druid healing stuff is nice |
| 15:46.34 | Josh_Borke | because not everyone can do 25 man raids |
| 15:46.34 | Intangir | before it was just random stuff, or fire resistance |
| 15:46.39 | Codayus | ....it's not a tier. Or a set. |
| 15:46.50 | Codayus | Or even a full suit. |
| 15:46.51 | Intangir | so its not technically a set? |
| 15:46.55 | Josh_Borke | there's no set bonuses |
| 15:47.18 | cryogen | disappointing that theres no obvious feral tanking gear in the list |
| 15:47.24 | Josh_Borke | there was one |
| 15:47.37 | Codayus | It's possible the list isn't complete...or it's possible they are going to fill some holes in ZA. |
| 15:47.41 | Josh_Borke | waistguard of the great beast |
| 15:47.53 | Josh_Borke | str, agi, sta and hit rating |
| 15:47.54 | Codayus | The BIG question is, how does expertise work for feral forms... |
| 15:48.10 | Josh_Borke | and the idol of terror |
| 15:48.12 | cryogen | "it does"? :) |
| 15:48.17 | Codayus | Well |
| 15:48.19 | Codayus | Okay |
| 15:48.23 | Codayus | The big question is, does it? |
| 15:48.25 | cryogen | weapon skill doesnt work in forms right? |
| 15:48.28 | Intangir | the new arena gear isnt on PTR yet? |
| 15:48.30 | Codayus | And, did they itemize it? |
| 15:48.39 | cryogen | time will tell |
| 15:48.40 | Codayus | cryogen: There is a feral weapon skill. |
| 15:48.46 | Codayus | Or there was, just like dager skill |
| 15:48.47 | cryogen | ah yes there is |
| 15:48.50 | Codayus | Found on two whole items! |
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| 15:48.57 | cryogen | i suspect they will replace that with expertise |
| 15:49.04 | cryogen | and i would *hope* they would add more :_ |
| 15:49.05 | Codayus | "The stat that bliz forgot! *dum dum DUH!*" |
| 15:49.05 | cryogen | :) |
| 15:49.16 | Codayus | Well, it's a kickass tank stat as it stands. |
| 15:49.18 | Intangir | oh that determination looks cool |
| 15:49.22 | alext | i like the dps caster staff, thats going to be awsome for anything really with 3 gem slots |
| 15:49.24 | alext | http://www.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2007/october/amani_divining_staff.jpg |
| 15:49.30 | Codayus | Ya |
| 15:49.40 | Intangir | or cruelty ;) |
| 15:49.44 | alext | pvp would be sick, 3 +12stam gems |
| 15:50.09 | cryogen | whats the difference between tank gear and dps gear for ferals? |
| 15:50.17 | alext | 91 stamina on that staff with gems haha |
| 15:50.29 | alext | oh nm |
| 15:50.31 | alext | cant do maths |
| 15:50.41 | cryogen | and ew at how the new "free dmg" shows up on gear |
| 15:50.44 | alext | 1004? |
| 15:51.05 | cryogen | "increases healing done by up to ... and damage done by ..." |
| 15:51.12 | Codayus | cryogen: Subtle stat differences. But. Bears want AC/stam/dodge to survive, and uh...STR/crit/AP for threat I guess? |
| 15:51.33 | Codayus | And agi in there somewhere. |
| 15:51.48 | cryogen | they dont care about def at all? |
| 15:52.05 | Intangir | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=33484 |
| 15:52.11 | Josh_Borke | how do i change the color background in vim? |
| 15:52.13 | Intangir | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=33832 |
| 15:52.13 | Codayus | Hmm, some I know. *shrug* Sorry, dunno much about the mechanics. |
| 15:52.16 | Intangir | im going for those two |
| 15:52.25 | Intangir | so i need 135 badges, holy shit |
| 15:52.28 | cryogen | Cruelty looks interesting |
| 15:52.39 | Intangir | ya, but i wonder if AP is better for high rated arena |
| 15:52.41 | Codayus | I know their def cap is much lower than warriors, but I think they still have to stack it some? |
| 15:52.49 | cryogen | Josh_Borke: gvim? change the colorscheme |
| 15:52.58 | cryogen | Codayus: i have no idea :) i should research it |
| 15:54.14 | Intangir | seems a strange way to handle all this new gear |
| 15:54.21 | Intangir | all for large ammounts of badges of justice.. |
| 15:54.27 | Codayus | *shrug* |
| 15:54.31 | Intangir | im really gonna have to get busy getting badges |
| 15:54.40 | Codayus | There's all the ZA loot too yet to be found. |
| 15:54.42 | Intangir | that cape i linked is a pvp cape |
| 15:54.44 | Intangir | you should get it thru honor |
| 15:54.53 | Codayus | But yeah, I suspect a lot of people will want 1-2 items |
| 15:55.04 | cryogen | items from badges is great for casual players |
| 15:55.19 | cryogen | and kinda good for people who want to get on the raiding ladder |
| 15:55.20 | Codayus | I'm getting that wand, I'm still using a freaking blue one due to awful luck on drops. |
| 15:55.28 | alext | its also good for people that never get boss drops |
| 15:55.33 | cryogen | that too |
| 15:55.35 | Intangir | ill likely go for the cape, and surely for a determinance or cruelty trinket |
| 15:55.37 | cryogen | "fillers" |
| 15:55.41 | Codayus | cryogen: Given the quality, the new gear is also good for guilds trying to finish T5 and enter BT. |
| 15:55.50 | alext | just looking at that dps caster staff with 3 sockets...its gona be some good ass gear |
| 15:55.53 | Codayus | It's REALLY good for some classes. |
| 15:55.56 | alext | yeah i was about to say Codayus |
| 15:56.00 | alext | some of that gear is really good stuff |
| 15:56.02 | cryogen | its also good for offspecs |
| 15:56.08 | cryogen | theres good moonkin gear there for example |
| 15:56.31 | Codayus | The tough bit is scheduling, for a guild where mine is, we can't ignore ZA. |
| 15:56.37 | cryogen | yeah |
| 15:56.41 | Codayus | So, where NOT to raid? |
| 15:57.09 | cryogen | skip kara |
| 15:57.12 | Codayus | I mean, don't get me wrong, I'm not whining about new content. :) But...it'll be an interesting decision. |
| 15:57.14 | cryogen | as long as ZA loot is nice, and its easy |
| 15:57.42 | Intangir | ill likelynot do ZA pretty much at all |
| 15:57.52 | Intangir | i only care for pvp gear |
| 15:58.01 | Codayus | cryogen: We already are really... |
| 15:58.01 | cryogen | then stay in the arena :) |
| 15:58.01 | Intangir | and there should be plenty of that to keep me busy |
| 15:58.19 | Intangir | that new trinket is neat |
| 15:58.25 | Intangir | the old pvp trinket gives like 1100? |
| 15:58.34 | Codayus | Mmm, the cloth healing robes from the first ZA boss are pretty damn nice. |
| 15:58.36 | Intangir | the new one is 1750? base? + 20% with my rogue talent |
| 15:58.39 | Codayus | http://www.wowwiki.com/Robes_of_Heavenly_Purpose |
| 15:59.34 | Intangir | oh increases max by 1750 for 15 seconds... |
| 15:59.43 | Intangir | how does this work? when it incraeses your max, does it increase your current health also? |
| 16:00.03 | cryogen | i suspect it would if you were at full hp |
| 16:00.06 | cryogen | after that.. who knows |
| 16:00.14 | Intangir | hrmmmm. |
| 16:00.15 | Codayus | Call it...pretty much a dead on tie with T5. So...first boss of ZA, or Kael...who to farm! |
| 16:00.20 | Intangir | maybe its going to be worthless.. |
| 16:00.24 | Intangir | 15 seconds is no time at all |
| 16:00.27 | Codayus | Intangir: Probably will heal you. |
| 16:00.32 | Intangir | id hope so |
| 16:00.37 | cryogen | it sounds liek a lifegiving gem replacement |
| 16:00.39 | Codayus | It was described by blue as a lifegiving gem sryle effect |
| 16:00.50 | Intangir | how does that work? |
| 16:00.57 | cryogen | druids cant use those in forms, right? |
| 16:01.24 | Codayus | And that's what they do. It'd be worthless otherwise. The only question is whether you lose the health when the effect fades; lifegiving gem used to work one way, then changed... |
| 16:01.45 | Nom- | lol second boss i've found with "white" as his model |
| 16:01.48 | Nom- | Like nothing but white |
| 16:02.26 | Intangir | no texture |
| 16:02.45 | Nom- | *nod* |
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| 16:16.26 | Intangir | i cant wait to see the new gladiator shit |
| 16:16.34 | Intangir | i think it will be called vengful gladiator |
| 16:17.29 | Maldivia | the new anti-latency spell csting works nice :) |
| 16:21.08 | cryogen | cool |
| 16:21.16 | Intangir | Maldivia: what is it? |
| 16:21.44 | Maldivia | Intangir: /stopcasting is no longer needed in 2.3 |
| 16:21.46 | Kaydeethree | your client will send spellcast messages to the server. the "you're still casting" check is mostly serverside now |
| 16:21.59 | Kaydeethree | s/the server/the server all the time/ |
| 16:22.17 | Intangir | oh |
| 16:22.23 | Intangir | ok i think i get it |
| 16:22.34 | Maldivia | will even send while under global cooldown :) |
| 16:22.58 | Maldivia | ohh, and the less xp needed starts already at level 10 |
| 16:23.12 | Kaydeethree | 10? thought it was 20 |
| 16:23.38 | Maldivia | me too, or well, level 11 requires 100 xp less now |
| 16:23.53 | Maldivia | haven't tested 10 yet |
| 16:24.29 | Maldivia | just figured it would start at 10, when 11 had |
| 16:25.09 | Maldivia | mana checks is also server side etc now :) |
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| 16:32.01 | Maldivia | hmm, and it seems some quest drops have been upped |
| 16:32.14 | Maldivia | or I'm just very lucky right now :) |
| 16:32.52 | Shirik|AFK | My hobby: Attaching to random processes, pausing them, and changing PC to a random number to see their response |
| 16:33.07 | Shirik|AFK | surprisingly now I have tried 3 times |
| 16:33.10 | Shirik|AFK | and not a single time it's crashed |
| 16:33.31 | Cairenn | Shirik|AFK: paper work! |
| 16:33.35 | Shirik|AFK | ah |
| 16:33.38 | Shirik|AFK | yes, promise, today |
| 16:33.42 | Shirik|AFK | it will be yours |
| 16:33.51 | Maldivia | sounds like ... fun |
| 16:34.07 | Cairenn | Shirik|AFK: danke |
| 16:34.43 | Intangir | whats the cooldown on cruelty and determinance |
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| 16:35.36 | Shirik|AFK | so.... I just froze a time-critical thread of RF.exe |
| 16:35.41 | Shirik|AFK | and it seems to be functioning as normal >< |
| 16:35.50 | Shirik|AFK | doesn't seem very time-critical to me |
| 16:38.32 | Intangir | determinance and cruelty |
| 16:38.37 | Intangir | the 1750 for 15 seconds |
| 16:38.41 | Intangir | is a 3 minute cooldown! |
| 16:38.45 | Intangir | THREE minute |
| 16:38.48 | Intangir | ... thats lame |
| 16:40.47 | ScytheBlade1 | !rating 1628 |
| 16:40.48 | Xinhuan | 1628 rating gives 503(5s), 443(3s) and 382(2s) arena points. (Formula updated 26 Sept!) (Use !points for inverse calc) |
| 16:41.19 | Intangir | !rating 1950 |
| 16:41.19 | Xinhuan | 1950 rating gives 987(5s), 868(3s) and 750(2s) arena points. (Formula updated 26 Sept!) (Use !points for inverse calc) |
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| 16:47.31 | Industrial | I have |
| 16:47.32 | Industrial | local b = CreateFrame('CheckButton', name..id, UIParent, 'ActionBarButtonTemplate') b:SetID(id) return b |
| 16:47.46 | Industrial | in my create_button() |
| 16:48.07 | Industrial | but all buttons I'm making get the first button id's spell in them |
| 16:48.12 | Industrial | is there an attribute I need to set? |
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| 16:50.20 | Industrial | ill try this first post http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=50956831&sid=1 |
| 16:51.49 | Industrial | nope :S |
| 16:55.11 | Nom- | wow |
| 16:55.18 | Nom- | as a PvE ret paladin, i just checked the talent trees |
| 16:55.22 | Nom- | Exactly 2 things change |
| 16:55.28 | Nom- | 6 second crusader strike, +3% crit |
| 16:55.35 | Nom- | Worst.Patch.Ever |
| 16:56.04 | Intangir | omg , is that a paladin whining? |
| 16:56.42 | Kaso | I just dont understand how there is so many pve ret pallys complaining, yet i dont know of a single one on my server |
| 16:56.44 | Kaso | it confuses me |
| 16:56.57 | dreamss | i wonder if the pally bubble is soundproof |
| 16:58.43 | cryogen | lol |
| 16:59.19 | Nom- | Kaso: We're few and far between because noone wants us |
| 16:59.31 | Nom- | Kaso: If Blizzard fixes Ret, which so far they've failed on, you'll see a lot more |
| 17:00.11 | dreamss | talk to the enhas shamans |
| 17:00.16 | dreamss | at least pallies have a bubble |
| 17:00.23 | dreamss | imagine getting instagibbed |
| 17:00.25 | dreamss | everytime |
| 17:00.56 | Kaso | is there really room in a raid for a dps paladin, two dps druids and a tank druid, two dps shammys a dps priest and a dps warrior, cant we just go back to the world where dpsers dpsed healers healed and tanks tanked? |
| 17:01.48 | Buuyo2 | No, because people would delete their priests in protest to not being able to lead dps. |
| 17:02.05 | Kaso | Im a priest by the way. |
| 17:02.30 | Industrial | lets all pvp and force blizz to make world pvp like in DaoC |
| 17:02.35 | Industrial | instead of pve :o |
| 17:03.17 | Buuyo2 | What happens when you kill the kid in stormwind? Are there ending credits? =o |
| 17:03.27 | dreamss | u finish the internet |
| 17:03.31 | dreamss | hes the last boss |
| 17:03.33 | Polarina | The child in Stormwind City is not PvP flagged. |
| 17:03.37 | Industrial | you return the dolly to the girl and get exalted ofc |
| 17:03.41 | Nom- | dreamss: In pretty much any boss that we pull, we get instagibbed too |
| 17:03.49 | Lopeppeppy | Kaso -- there is room for all of that IF the hybrids are flexible. If not, the raid will fail. But sometimes it's nice to have a druid who can tank on KHM, and heal in Gruul's room, etc. |
| 17:03.51 | Nom- | dreamss: And we pull a lot more than they do |
| 17:03.58 | Buuyo2 | Well maybe if you killed his freaky guard friend he'd go pvp on you =p |
| 17:04.04 | dreamss | dw shaman will pull way more agro |
| 17:04.20 | Nom- | hah... you've never seen a good ret paladin then :P |
| 17:04.41 | dreamss | each time shaman crits, unleashed rage procs |
| 17:04.45 | dreamss | which does agro |
| 17:04.54 | dreamss | buff on all party members |
| 17:05.02 | Lopeppeppy | Even good ret paladins are gimped by gear, so I'm looking forward to seeing what this patch brings forward. |
| 17:05.12 | Nom- | Lopeppeppy: I disagree... |
| 17:05.28 | Nom- | Lopeppeppy: Yes, it's a pain in the ass playing the gear balancing game, but you can be very successful |
| 17:05.40 | Polarina | |Pixel|: It has to be increased. I haven't yet be able to pass through the "Yes, copy me!" button yet.. |
| 17:05.45 | dreamss | enhas shamans taken a long time to get to pve dps |
| 17:05.48 | dreamss | heh |
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| 17:05.53 | Nom- | Luckily my main is a BE Pally, so I just stack the hell out of melee stats |
| 17:06.19 | Nom- | dreamss: Yeah, well they've now got 30% talented threat reduction, which is insane |
| 17:06.30 | dreamss | only on melee |
| 17:06.34 | Nom- | Paladins STILL have 0 (zero, zip, nada) |
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| 17:06.46 | dreamss | and now shamans have more procs and dps with shocks |
| 17:07.11 | Lopeppeppy | I've been having a lot of trouble helping my Ret paladin get the gear to be allowed to DPS - the gear is very hard to come by, and my RL won't take him over a rogue or cat druid, for example, because he just doesn't have the crank. |
| 17:07.39 | Nom- | Lopeppeppy: Alliance or Horde ? |
| 17:07.41 | dreamss | feral druid>ret pally |
| 17:07.57 | Lopeppeppy | Nom-, Alliance. |
| 17:08.10 | Nom- | Ah, that'd be why |
| 17:08.17 | Lopeppeppy | dreamss, that's not true. Paladin doesn't have to swap forms to toss an extra heal. :) |
| 17:08.35 | Nom- | JoL + JoW > ALL |
| 17:08.38 | dreamss | but the party members heal when they crit |
| 17:08.48 | Lopeppeppy | When they crit. When. |
| 17:09.09 | Lopeppeppy | I've been trying to argue the group benefits add enough that the DPS loss isn't actually lost, Nom-. I'm halfway there with it. |
| 17:09.22 | Nom- | JoW and JoL are the two most underappreciated debuffs in the game |
| 17:10.00 | Nom- | JoW has HUGE benefits to anyone who hits fast, and still minor benefit to any mana using dps |
| 17:10.02 | dreamss | maybe give ret pallies a buff to put on tanks |
| 17:10.10 | dreamss | that incrises theor treat |
| 17:10.15 | Nom- | JoL is INSANE for Rogues... |
| 17:10.37 | Nom- | dreamss: No, that'd be like misdirect, no point |
| 17:11.18 | Nom- | For most boss fights, we take two dagger rogues... you'd be amazed how fast they self heal, especially with the UA bug |
| 17:11.44 | Nom- | 300 every proc, with sometimes as much as 2-3 procs per second |
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| 17:12.59 | dreamss | get urself a Tranquil Air Totem and the pally buff ? |
| 17:13.00 | dreamss | hehe |
| 17:13.41 | Nom- | err... TA is useless to a pally |
| 17:13.58 | Nom- | Unless they have insane gear, they'll always want windfury to do decent dps |
| 17:14.07 | Nom- | 30% damage boost from Windfury easily |
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| 17:16.25 | Cairenn | Funkeh`: hmmmmm - did you /ident |
| 17:16.38 | Nom- | Well, they either need to give us threat reduction or a HUGE utility boost |
| 17:16.44 | Nom- | We're not viable without one or the other |
| 17:16.51 | Cairenn | Funkeh`: the cloak should have been applied |
| 17:18.00 | Funkeh` | Cairenn: I'm on a new pc |
| 17:18.03 | Funkeh` | not registered |
| 17:18.07 | Cairenn | okay |
| 17:18.08 | Funkeh` | haven't been online in a week |
| 17:18.24 | Cairenn | heh |
| 17:18.34 | Cairenn | just was surprised when I didn't see the cloak just now |
| 17:19.08 | Funkeh` | its too big, order a new one |
| 17:19.13 | Funkeh` | I want one more pink, also |
| 17:19.18 | Cairenn | lol |
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| 17:21.51 | Industrial | code: http://pastey.net/75202 |
| 17:21.58 | Industrial | img: http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/4710/wowscrnshot101207192033bg0.jpg |
| 17:22.14 | Industrial | problem: actionbuttons all have the same id/spell |
| 17:23.14 | Industrial | line 46, 47; I see this done in other action button addons so why wouldn't it work in mine :S |
| 17:24.43 | nevcairiel | try GetAttribute("action") on one of your buttons |
| 17:25.05 | Josh_Borke | that's a lot of buttons |
| 17:25.11 | art3mis | god i am so sleepy these days |
| 17:25.22 | Industrial | nevcairiel: that returns the correct number, 1-48 |
| 17:25.32 | art3mis | Josh_Borke: now do it like the chosen one in kung pow ;P |
| 17:25.34 | Industrial | nevcairiel: but button.action is all 1 |
| 17:25.36 | Nom- | Hmm... what you think are the chances that the patch on the PTR right now is part 1/2? All the changes that are out right now are PvP oriented in all seriousness |
| 17:27.08 | Industrial | does anyone know of a visual addon for exploring variables/tables ? |
| 17:27.18 | Industrial | eg in a tree |
| 17:27.44 | Josh_Borke | look up anduinlothar's addons |
| 17:27.48 | Josh_Borke | i think fire may be the name? |
| 17:28.19 | Industrial | http://www.wowinterface.com/list.php?skinnerid=18098 |
| 17:28.24 | Industrial | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5435-Fire.html |
| 17:28.26 | Industrial | correct, thanks |
| 17:28.29 | Josh_Borke | np |
| 17:30.35 | Nom- | http://blue.cardplace.com/newcache/us/2366727500.htm <-- LOL? |
| 17:30.51 | Nom- | "Please keep in mind, we haven't finished all of our changes for 2.3 yet." <-- you had now long to develop it? wtf? |
| 17:31.19 | Kaydeethree | playtesting/balance |
| 17:32.33 | Industrial | nevcairiel: any other ideas? ;\ |
| 17:32.54 | Industrial | staring at code going "buhhhhh ... ???" for an hour ftl |
| 17:33.18 | Shirik | bahhhhhhhh |
| 17:33.24 | Shirik | only signed code can go into the kernel in vista :( |
| 17:33.42 | dreamss | assasins creed looks badass |
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| 17:39.48 | nevcairiel | Industrial: do SetID(0) on all buttons |
| 17:40.20 | nevcairiel | (or SetID(correctid) and save all the action attribute stuff) |
| 17:40.36 | Industrial | nevcairiel: ok |
| 17:44.11 | nevcairiel | i just rememberd that behaviour when you use the full-fletched template |
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| 17:49.08 | Kaydeethree | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2366567423&pageNo=2&sid=1#22 |
| 17:49.23 | Cidan | Shirik: You can disable that |
| 17:49.33 | Shirik | oh? |
| 17:49.33 | Cidan | so unsigned code can go in if you need it to |
| 17:49.37 | Shirik | Yeah but that's probably a bad idea :P |
| 17:49.41 | Cidan | Yep |
| 17:49.42 | Shirik | Also I'm trying to make this work for everyone |
| 17:49.42 | Lopeppeppy | Hogger wins, Kaydeethree. |
| 17:49.50 | alestane | Okay, did the UI code fall through a TIME maching or did someone at Bliz decide to screw with the developers? |
| 17:49.54 | Shirik | and them telling me that they need to allow me to inject code into the kernel |
| 17:50.01 | Shirik | me telling them* |
| 17:50.06 | Shirik | probably not going to trust me much longer... |
| 17:50.40 | Cidan | I don't trust you anyways, so eh |
| 17:50.45 | alestane | SecureTemplates and ActionButtons have been SERIOUSLY reverted to earlier versions in completely unannounced changes as far as I can tell. |
| 17:51.12 | nevcairiel | in 2.3? |
| 17:51.32 | alestane | And IsModifiedClick appears to have gone. |
| 17:51.48 | alestane | Yes, in 2.3. Either that or the Add-On kit is broken. |
| 17:51.52 | Kaydeethree | I still haven't gotten that far down the .diff yet |
| 17:52.40 | nevcairiel | i should submit every version into an svn for easy comparison |
| 17:52.47 | nevcairiel | anyway, link the diff page again ? :) |
| 17:52.58 | Cidan | why? |
| 17:53.00 | alestane | THe whole modified click structure appears to have been ditched, the action bar buttons don't use SecureActionButtoTemplate anymore, SecureGroupHeader has been separated back into SecurePartyHeader and SecureRaidGroupHeader... |
| 17:53.01 | Cidan | you can just make a .diff |
| 17:53.08 | Kaydeethree | http://spyglass-server.com/wowints |
| 17:53.22 | Kaydeethree | 2.2.3.7359-0.3.0.7382.diff |
| 17:53.23 | Cidan | it's always been SRGH and SPH |
| 17:53.26 | Cidan | I thought. |
| 17:53.28 | Cide | alestane: pretty sure that's old and unintended |
| 17:53.33 | Cide | but who knows |
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| 17:53.53 | art3mis | meh im so bored and sleepy today |
| 17:54.00 | alestane | I have a feeling someone included the wrong block of UI code in the build or something. |
| 17:54.02 | Cide | haven't seen any announcements on the forums regarding reverting all of that functionality, especially not w.r.t. the SecureGroupHeader |
| 17:54.09 | Cide | probably :) |
| 17:54.19 | alestane | No, neither have I. |
| 17:54.20 | Cide | Cairenn: wow, that's mean |
| 17:54.35 | Cairenn | it'd wake him up and make him not bored, now wouldn't it? |
| 17:54.38 | art3mis | like im sitting around in clothing at home |
| 17:54.41 | Cide | true :) |
| 17:55.04 | art3mis | cairenn: i could of much ebtter ways to cure that involving you ;) |
| 17:55.37 | art3mis | Josh_Borke: shuold have gone for the front! |
| 17:56.04 | Josh_Borke | i know |
| 17:56.07 | Josh_Borke | but i decided to be nice :-) |
| 17:56.25 | art3mis | well, depending on how shes feeling tody that "could" have been the nice option heh |
| 17:57.07 | art3mis | i mean who knows it like be like 38 there and her ac could be broken and she could be feeling randy, which would make you a savior instead of a jerk ;) |
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| 18:07.56 | Industrial | nevcairiel >> (or SetID(correctid) and save all the action attribute stuff) |
| 18:08.01 | Industrial | save all the action attribute stuff? |
| 18:08.09 | Industrial | SetID(0) or SetID(id) doesnt work :( |
| 18:08.34 | nevcairiel | on every button? |
| 18:08.44 | Industrial | yes |
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| 18:13.35 | Industrial | :\ |
| 18:14.36 | Cidan | uh |
| 18:14.47 | Cidan | UT3 demo.. is out? |
| 18:14.48 | Cidan | score |
| 18:14.54 | art3mis | die |
| 18:14.58 | art3mis | you go finish conspiracy |
| 18:15.04 | art3mis | no other games for you til its done! |
| 18:15.08 | Cidan | hah |
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| 18:15.25 | Cidan | I just canceled my WoW account, going to code off girlfriend's account |
| 18:15.30 | Cidan | then I'm quitting WoW |
| 18:15.33 | art3mis | why? |
| 18:15.37 | Cairenn | ? |
| 18:15.43 | Cidan | Tired of Blizzard's bullshit. |
| 18:15.56 | Cidan | They are making the entire game World of Kiddycraft. |
| 18:16.16 | Cidan | Going to switch over to LotRO fulltime |
| 18:17.32 | Cairenn | Cidan: http://www.lotrointerface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89 |
| 18:18.31 | deltron | Cidan: there there fella, it will be alright |
| 18:19.07 | Cidan | I'll be sure to let you know, will likely buy the game tonight Cairenn |
| 18:19.57 | art3mis | should have kept the account, taken up botting and using it to farm gold to pay for your account by trading for GC's ;) |
| 18:20.01 | cog|work | alestane: ActionButtonTemplate has never been secure. ActionBarButtonTemplate is secure, and i'm seeing it correctly in my wowtest FrameXML folder... haven't looked into any of the other problems. |
| 18:20.39 | cog|work | hmm yeah... |
| 18:20.51 | cog|work | there's definitely some code reversion it looks like |
| 18:20.52 | alestane | cog|work: Yes, but ActionBarButtonTemplate now inherits fromSecureFrameTemplate. |
| 18:21.10 | cog|work | ah i see what you mean |
| 18:21.10 | alestane | I'm hoping that someone just clicked on the wrong thing in the code repositort. |
| 18:21.24 | alestane | sp* |
| 18:22.10 | cog|work | well, i don't think it's the extractor's fault. FrameXML.toc correctly shows 20300 so yeah |
| 18:23.29 | alestane | I think it may be a mistake of some kind because the code refers to a function that was taken out, and which registers as nil. |
| 18:24.07 | alestane | IsActionSelfCastKeyDown is mentioned in the code, but is nil when dumped to chat. |
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| 18:25.01 | Thunder_Child | huh UT3 Demo is out |
| 18:25.12 | Cidan | yes |
| 18:25.15 | Cidan | yes it is |
| 18:25.26 | Cidan | I'm a bit afraid to try it |
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| 18:25.37 | wereHamster | is thare a linux demo as well? |
| 18:25.40 | Cidan | I really am afraid that it has been xoboxified |
| 18:25.43 | Cidan | no |
| 18:26.00 | wereHamster | crap :( |
| 18:26.02 | art3mis | cidan: we had the best argument last night/this morning in ehre |
| 18:26.13 | Josh_Borke | art3mis: lots of poo flinging? |
| 18:26.34 | Cidan | ? |
| 18:26.34 | art3mis | sorta |
| 18:26.41 | art3mis | was about the definition of hybrids ;P |
| 18:26.46 | Cidan | also, what's the LotRO interface API like, if any? |
| 18:26.54 | Cairenn|afk | nadda atm |
| 18:27.08 | Cairenn|afk | graphic replacement only, so far |
| 18:27.12 | art3mis | and how a druid isnt a hybrid because he has to respec and get gear in order to be a different role |
| 18:27.19 | Cidan | Hmm |
| 18:27.28 | Cairenn|afk | gotta scoot, back in a bit |
| 18:27.29 | Cidan | Any plans to expand it? |
| 18:27.32 | Cidan | kaayyy |
| 18:27.33 | Cidan | bai |
| 18:27.37 | Josh_Borke | bai bai |
| 18:28.01 | Industrial | filling a role MEANS you arent hybrid |
| 18:28.14 | Industrial | if you are hybrid you get gear to do decent in all roles |
| 18:28.23 | Industrial | and then you don't do one roll all the time |
| 18:28.26 | Industrial | ta-dah hybrid. |
| 18:28.28 | art3mis | see and industrial doesnt understand the design ideas behind melee/caster pure and hybrid classes |
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| 18:28.51 | art3mis | becuase wow has dumbed everyone down as far as combat and game mechnicas goes |
| 18:28.53 | Industrial | enlighten me. |
| 18:28.57 | art3mis | okay |
| 18:29.01 | art3mis | in a nutshell... |
| 18:29.15 | cncfanatics | hello ppl |
| 18:29.23 | art3mis | in classical d&d(which is the basis for most rpgs) you've for melee class and caster classes |
| 18:29.33 | art3mis | a warrior cant cast and a mage cant melee |
| 18:29.39 | art3mis | with me so far? |
| 18:29.45 | Industrial | yes |
| 18:30.05 | art3mis | regardless of HOW it's played or HOW it's speced, those two examples are pure classes |
| 18:30.24 | art3mis | a hybrid, is a combination of those two elements |
| 18:30.33 | art3mis | meaning it can cast OR/AND melee |
| 18:30.40 | art3mis | pally shaman druid are examples |
| 18:30.58 | art3mis | they have the ability to change thier role be it melee or casting |
| 18:31.03 | art3mis | the pure classes dont |
| 18:31.07 | Industrial | yes |
| 18:31.12 | Cairenn|afk | Cidan: http://www.lotrointerface.com/forums/showpost.php?p=588&postcount=5 |
| 18:31.15 | Cide | on the other hand |
| 18:31.16 | art3mis | the pure classes are specialized. |
| 18:31.26 | art3mis | hybrid classes arent |
| 18:31.30 | Cide | who said "pure classes" or hell, "classical d&d" are good design concepts? :P |
| 18:31.52 | art3mis | thus. a hybrid class should rarely exceed a pure class in ability in that chosen "field" |
| 18:32.00 | Cide | frankly, wow's success is a testament to the quality of its design decisions |
| 18:32.09 | Cairenn|afk | and with that found and linked *runs out the door for real this time* |
| 18:32.19 | Industrial | Cairenn|afk: bai |
| 18:32.29 | ScytheBlade1 | I'd say that a hybrid is any class that can have more than one distinct role |
| 18:32.44 | deltron | that's any D&D char :P |
| 18:32.45 | art3mis | ScytheBlade1: thats where we got into the stickler of the argument |
| 18:32.46 | Industrial | art3mis: a hybrid (at least in wow) is a hybrid when you spec in more then one talent tree. |
| 18:33.07 | art3mis | because appearantly the roles arent as simple as melee vs caster |
| 18:33.23 | ScytheBlade1 | A warrior is a tanking/DPSing hybrid. A priest is a healing/DPSing hybrid. A mage can't really spec out of damage, hence, a mage is not a hybrid. |
| 18:33.25 | art3mis | not counting hunters cuz they're a waste of pixels |
| 18:33.39 | art3mis | see thats the part where you're wrong |
| 18:33.44 | Cidan | <3 Cairenn|afk |
| 18:33.44 | Industrial | hunter is dps |
| 18:33.52 | art3mis | priest damage and healing is casting |
| 18:33.54 | ScytheBlade1 | s/dps/attempted, pathetic dps/ |
| 18:33.55 | art3mis | NOT melee |
| 18:33.55 | ScytheBlade1 | ;) |
| 18:34.00 | art3mis | thus it's a pure class |
| 18:34.10 | art3mis | a warrior tank or dps is still pure melee |
| 18:34.14 | art3mis | thus a pure class |
| 18:34.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Except that healing and damage are two /very/ different roles. |
| 18:34.24 | Industrial | yeah |
| 18:34.28 | art3mis | its still the same starting point it's casting |
| 18:34.38 | art3mis | not melee ;P |
| 18:34.44 | Industrial | art3mis: what's your point? wheres the conclusion? |
| 18:35.01 | art3mis | that was a majority of the argument btw ;) |
| 18:35.14 | art3mis | the semantical differences and inability to simply |
| 18:35.38 | art3mis | roles != core ability |
| 18:35.38 | Industrial | in most games a hybrid can choose to fill one role very well or severl roles less good. |
| 18:36.08 | ScytheBlade1 | art3mis, Kalgan has referred to the Deathknight as a "tanking/DPS hybrid" |
| 18:36.10 | Industrial | unfortunately in wow, in pve hybrids aren't really wanted |
| 18:36.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Deathknight is melee. |
| 18:36.16 | art3mis | but rabies couldnt understand why he wasnt allowed to use pots in bear form |
| 18:36.24 | art3mis | kalgan is a retard |
| 18:36.25 | Industrial | because they have "pure" classes to do what they want |
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| 18:36.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Kalgan makes the game too, so if that's what it is, then that's what it is :P |
| 18:36.42 | art3mis | deathnights are hybrids because they can melee and cast ;P |
| 18:36.56 | deltron | and tank :P |
| 18:36.58 | ScytheBlade1 | So can Draena Warriors.. |
| 18:36.59 | art3mis | they are just the "evil" version of the paladi which is a hybrid because it can cast and melee |
| 18:37.00 | ScytheBlade1 | *Draeni |
| 18:37.05 | Industrial | oh you are just argueing about the defenition of hybrid, art3mis ? |
| 18:37.14 | art3mis | Industrial: that was the start of it. |
| 18:37.37 | art3mis | it sorta branched into other not understanding why thier "hybrid" class wasnt as good as a pure class |
| 18:37.56 | Industrial | anything using power is using magic |
| 18:37.59 | Cidan | so after I finish a few more UI elements and the cell construction kit, I think I'm done with WoW. |
| 18:38.02 | Cidan | :/ |
| 18:38.06 | art3mis | booooooo |
| 18:38.23 | art3mis | Industrial: only if you look at the deliver system |
| 18:38.31 | art3mis | vanish and sprint while "magic" arent |
| 18:38.41 | art3mis | shield block and taunt use "magic" but arent |
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| 18:39.07 | deltron | Cidan: is it just because of blizz? or tired of the game in general? |
| 18:39.10 | art3mis | everything in wow has been simplified and retarded so that the aregument of "its all numbers" comes up far tofrequently |
| 18:39.14 | Industrial | I dont really understand the issue >_> |
| 18:39.30 | Cidan | It's because of Blizzard, up front. |
| 18:39.43 | art3mis | Industrial: the issue is druids shaman and pallys whining that they arent as good as other classes and deserve more to bring them up to par |
| 18:39.50 | Cidan | They have shafted me. I want a challenge, and they fail to deliver. |
| 18:40.11 | Industrial | art3mis: they are trying to play a class in a way it wasnt intended. |
| 18:40.26 | Industrial | art3mis: a specialized hybrid should never be better then a pure |
| 18:40.31 | art3mis | exactly |
| 18:40.46 | art3mis | at least someone get it |
| 18:40.50 | art3mis | gets |
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| 18:41.01 | Industrial | art3mis: unfortunately pures are preferred in wow pve |
| 18:41.01 | Josh_Borke | art3mis: i agree |
| 18:41.04 | Cidan | I did CoT for the first time a few nights ago, where you have to escort Thrall. So we messed up and he died. Wait what? What's this? Remember BRD escort? If he died, you had to do it allll over again. No, what happens when Thrall dies? Oh right, let's turn back time! |
| 18:41.16 | Thunder_Child | wow...al gore won a nobel peace prize |
| 18:41.22 | art3mis | which gets the intended boost of the hybrids to pure levels |
| 18:41.29 | art3mis | and an oscar |
| 18:41.35 | art3mis | he's on a role |
| 18:41.42 | Thunder_Child | no, an academy award |
| 18:41.50 | art3mis | and to think if he had wone the election he wouldnt have any of it |
| 18:41.58 | Josh_Borke | Cidan: why'd you let him die in the first place? |
| 18:41.59 | art3mis | an oscar is an academy award |
| 18:42.06 | Thunder_Child | shhh |
| 18:42.08 | cog|work | are there any items that DO trigger the global cooldown? |
| 18:42.11 | Cidan | 'cause my girlfriend was killed during the boss |
| 18:42.12 | art3mis | sorry Oscar ;P |
| 18:42.15 | Cidan | at the end |
| 18:42.20 | Cidan | and we didn't have enough healing |
| 18:42.52 | art3mis | brb mucking with nix installs |
| 18:43.00 | Industrial | art3mis: well historically, hybrids bring utility to a group whereas pure classes only have self and enemy-affecting abilities. |
| 18:43.13 | Josh_Borke | for me, not having to reclear the instance is a good thing, but if you see that as a bad thing then that's your choice :-0 |
| 18:43.13 | art3mis | true |
| 18:43.16 | Industrial | art3mis: hybrids also do good in panic situations, because they can chip in at any point |
| 18:43.24 | Industrial | art3mis: eg quick heal or quick tank |
| 18:43.42 | art3mis | but it is possible for a hybrid to fill a role "almost" as good as a pure, but at no point should the hybrid ever be equal to a pure |
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| 18:43.50 | Industrial | yep |
| 18:44.06 | Industrial | hybrids also live longest in pvp :3 |
| 18:44.12 | nevcairiel | good that "should" and "is" is not equal |
| 18:44.23 | alestane | cog|work: The actual behavior of the action buttons on the PTR is consistent with the old code, not that which was extracted by the UI Toolkit. |
| 18:44.30 | art3mis | nods i have no issues with hybrids being able to do more than a pure class, but as long as they feel that thier "bear tank" should be able to function and do as well as a warrior, im gonna argue with em |
| 18:44.34 | deltron | it's hard to kill me in pvp :P |
| 18:44.42 | cog|work | alestane: odd |
| 18:45.06 | alestane | For instance, ActionButton1:GetAttribute"type" returns "action", even though the .lua file says tat attribute is never set. |
| 18:45.17 | nevcairiel | art3mis: not saying that its intended, but what "is", that all healers outperform holy priests |
| 18:45.31 | alestane | IsActionSelfCastKey == nil, but the action buttons do not crash trying to call it. |
| 18:45.32 | nevcairiel | and all other are hybrids |
| 18:45.38 | Industrial | nevcairiel: thats a clear issue then |
| 18:46.05 | nevcairiel | works for me, tbh :P |
| 18:46.10 | Industrial | nevcairiel: raid leaders should not let hybrids fill a "pure" role imho. Keep everyone in their place :P |
| 18:46.11 | cog|work | alestane: huh? |
| 18:46.19 | cog|work | wait... looking at wrong extract |
| 18:46.30 | nevcairiel | Industrial: yeah, and suck at raiding because holy priests cant do that performance ? :D |
| 18:46.43 | Industrial | nevcairiel: so thats the real issue then :3 |
| 18:46.57 | Kaydeethree | alestane, maybe it got moved C-side? |
| 18:47.02 | Industrial | get blizz to buff priest. |
| 18:47.13 | nevcairiel | they wont |
| 18:47.14 | Industrial | and nerf hybrid healing |
| 18:47.15 | nevcairiel | and they shouldnt |
| 18:47.21 | nevcairiel | its good as it is |
| 18:47.27 | Josh_Borke | nothing beats a priest for healing AoE |
| 18:47.28 | nevcairiel | only because the pure definition doesnt fit anymore |
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| 18:47.46 | nevcairiel | Josh_Borke: chain heal beats everyone on aoe healing *shrug |
| 18:47.46 | Lunessa | STATION! |
| 18:49.04 | Cide | nevcairiel: I disagree |
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| 18:49.29 | Cide | aoe healing implies (to me) that everyone needs healing... in which case prayer of healing is better |
| 18:49.30 | Industrial | me too |
| 18:50.06 | alestane | Kaydeethree: The whole ActionBarButton framework? |
| 18:50.23 | nevcairiel | prayer of healing is limited to your own group |
| 18:50.41 | Cide | circle of healing is better too, most likely |
| 18:50.53 | Cide | and besides, if everyone needs healing (aoe), you can put priests in specific groups |
| 18:51.09 | nevcairiel | noone does that, you need dps groups these days |
| 18:51.39 | Cide | yeah, like on morogrim, for example |
| 18:51.43 | Intangir | guys.. revelation |
| 18:51.45 | Cide | dps is a huge concern there |
| 18:51.47 | Intangir | the girl from heroes |
| 18:51.54 | Cide | </sarcasm> :) |
| 18:52.05 | Intangir | the jail bait cheerleader |
| 18:52.09 | Intangir | shes ALWAYS a virgin ;) |
| 18:52.26 | nevcairiel | healer aggro is a big concern on morogrim, at least for us it always was |
| 18:52.44 | Josh_Borke | lol |
| 18:52.46 | Cide | right, but remove the murlocs and you have a fight where it would be useful |
| 18:52.53 | Lunessa | Intangir: Thank you for sharing that probably over-lookable aspect of her cellualr regeneration power. |
| 18:53.07 | Intangir | lol ;) |
| 18:53.16 | nevcairiel | Cide: been to black temple? actually the first boss there would be a perfect example for your standpoint :) |
| 18:53.17 | Intangir | hahahahah |
| 18:53.21 | Cide | I haven't, no |
| 18:53.29 | Cide | but there you go |
| 18:53.36 | nevcairiel | well, he does 8500 to everyone |
| 18:54.35 | nevcairiel | but yes, of course are there fights where prayer of healing is good for aoe healing |
| 18:54.57 | nevcairiel | but in general, stupid shamans just spam chain heal and outperform anyone <.< |
| 18:56.16 | Cide | when there's random damage thrown around, yeah, definitely |
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| 19:01.22 | deltron | nevcairiel: :) |
| 19:01.37 | deltron | circle of heal is used a lot I've seen |
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| 19:13.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | zomg |
| 19:13.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | gained 378 ap on the ptr :O |
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| 19:36.52 | *** topic/#wowi-lounge is #wowi-lounge: Paste Code Here: http://wowi.pastey.net | 2.2.x ToC: 20200 | RTFPN please | WoWI Mod Uploader! http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12821 | 'I'm..... so not excited to be a substitute for the blow-up doll, art3mis.' - Lopeppeppy |
| 19:40.56 | Thunder_Child | start downloading what? |
| 19:41.12 | deltron | probably 2.3 PTR for EU |
| 19:41.30 | Intangir | holy shit, 5 DAY copy character wait time |
| 19:41.32 | Intangir | 5 DAYS |
| 19:42.09 | deltron | yeah it sucks |
| 19:42.18 | Thunder_Child | see, thats a good reason to copy right at the begining |
| 19:42.22 | Intangir | i did |
| 19:42.26 | Intangir | i copied yesterday at least |
| 19:42.31 | Intangir | that was the begining right? |
| 19:42.34 | Thunder_Child | eh...min is already copied over |
| 19:42.38 | Thunder_Child | mine* |
| 19:42.44 | Thunder_Child | ya, yesterday |
| 19:42.47 | Intangir | i did it yesterday, i logged on today and its not there |
| 19:42.55 | Intangir | so i go to check, says i only hav 3 left, and its a 5 day wait |
| 19:43.08 | Thunder_Child | for new ones |
| 19:43.31 | Thunder_Child | the ones done yesterday were 12hrs or so i think |
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| 19:46.41 | Thunder_Child | i dont get it...why do people make addons that are server specific for placement |
| 19:49.51 | Thunder_Child | heh someone already has the turbo charged flying machine |
| 19:51.46 | ScytheBlade1 | wtb character copy pst |
| 19:52.14 | Thunder_Child | you already used all 4? |
| 19:52.33 | ScytheBlade1 | I can't use one |
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| 19:56.24 | Thunder_Child | uhhh...wasnt the interface option on the options page to change your interface stuff? |
| 19:56.55 | Thunder_Child | because when i click it on the ptr it removes my interface.... |
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| 19:58.54 | Kaydeethree | copy your Interface folder to your WoWTest folder |
| 19:59.00 | Thunder_Child | i did |
| 19:59.06 | Thunder_Child | oh...the whole thing? |
| 20:04.54 | Thunder_Child | Kaydeethree, done, same issues |
| 20:05.19 | Shirik | wtb strings for windows!! |
| 20:05.33 | Kaydeethree | and you're got getting an addons button at all even after restarting the PTR? |
| 20:05.42 | Thunder_Child | huh? |
| 20:05.54 | Thunder_Child | thats not what i said |
| 20:05.58 | Cidan | strings for windows? |
| 20:05.59 | Thunder_Child | Kaydeethree, l2read |
| 20:06.01 | Shirik | yes |
| 20:06.01 | Cidan | wut? |
| 20:06.05 | Shirik | I need the strings utility :/ |
| 20:06.09 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 20:06.13 | Shirik | well actually.... better quesiton |
| 20:06.16 | ScytheBlade1 | l2notwindows |
| 20:06.16 | ScytheBlade1 | ;) |
| 20:06.24 | Shirik | I need to know where a specific string is, and where it is >.> |
| 20:06.31 | Shirik | hm |
| 20:06.36 | Cidan | that's the same question twice |
| 20:06.38 | Shirik | yes |
| 20:06.38 | Shirik | I know |
| 20:06.39 | Shirik | stfu |
| 20:06.42 | Cidan | lol |
| 20:07.00 | Cidan | wtb new partner |
| 20:07.01 | Cidan | pst |
| 20:07.11 | Shirik | Tell me how to find exactly how this is called!! |
| 20:07.23 | krka | are you drunk? |
| 20:07.28 | Shirik | probably |
| 20:07.44 | krka | get cygwin |
| 20:07.50 | Shirik | Already doing that >.> |
| 20:07.58 | Shirik | taking too long :( |
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| 20:08.32 | Intangir | l2stosayingl2whatever cause its annoying |
| 20:08.32 | Cidan | christ |
| 20:08.35 | Cidan | what the hell |
| 20:08.38 | sag_ich_nicht | lol |
| 20:08.39 | Cidan | are you saying? |
| 20:08.45 | Cidan | 16:06 < Shirik> Tell me how to find exactly how this is called!! |
| 20:08.50 | Cidan | what? |
| 20:08.50 | Shirik | bleh |
| 20:08.56 | Cidan | lol |
| 20:08.58 | Shirik | I think that this program is using CreateProcess |
| 20:09.15 | Shirik | and I need to know exactly where |
| 20:09.40 | Shirik | so my attack vector is to find where it loads the string that I know it's using to reference the process |
| 20:09.49 | Shirik | and then a few lines later it should call CreateProcess |
| 20:10.11 | Shirik | make sense? |
| 20:10.57 | Cidan | disassemble it and look for it...? |
| 20:11.13 | Shirik | That's what I'm doing >< |
| 20:11.23 | Shirik | but I don't know what address to look for |
| 20:11.24 | Cidan | so find the string and then look at the op that calls it |
| 20:11.49 | Cidan | have you found the string in the disassembled program? |
| 20:11.58 | Shirik | not yet |
| 20:12.02 | Cidan | find that first, plz. |
| 20:12.03 | Shirik | but it's gotta be in there |
| 20:12.06 | Shirik | no kidding! |
| 20:12.14 | Cidan | not always, what are you using? |
| 20:12.23 | Shirik | using for what? |
| 20:12.36 | Cidan | to disassemble |
| 20:12.38 | Cidan | and unpack |
| 20:12.44 | Shirik | oh |
| 20:12.46 | Shirik | visual studio |
| 20:12.48 | Cidan | remember, the exe likely has a run time encryption on it |
| 20:12.55 | Shirik | hm |
| 20:12.55 | Cidan | or compression |
| 20:13.01 | Cidan | so you'll need to unpack it too |
| 20:13.02 | Shirik | I don't know, CCR is pretty stupid |
| 20:14.41 | Cidan | get on google talk, going to toss you a file |
| 20:16.13 | Thunder_Child | lol, it seems there is an IronForge just north of Washington |
| 20:16.15 | Cidan | Shirik: googletalk, nowplz. |
| 20:16.24 | Thunder_Child | DC* |
| 20:16.26 | Shirik | can't it be MSN? |
| 20:16.30 | Shirik | I'm trying to avoid some people on google |
| 20:16.36 | Cidan | no, MSN sucks at fileshare |
| 20:16.39 | Shirik | -_- |
| 20:16.43 | Cidan | don't avoid people, it sucks even more |
| 20:16.44 | Shirik | I guess |
| 20:16.51 | Cidan | just be a man and tell them whatever it is you feel |
| 20:16.59 | Cidan | You can't be everyone's friend all the time. |
| 20:17.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2007/october/hellozuljin2.jpg |
| 20:17.06 | Cidan | Accept that early in life. |
| 20:17.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | what DPS meter is that? :O |
| 20:17.12 | Thunder_Child | what about DCC? |
| 20:17.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | dcc is pretty awful |
| 20:17.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | i dunno why |
| 20:17.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | but like |
| 20:17.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's the least operative protocol i've ever used like ever |
| 20:17.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | it requires like the world's most perfect network to get running right :x |
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| 20:18.02 | ScytheBlade1 | It's pretty much identical to trying to run a FTP server. |
| 20:18.11 | ScytheBlade1 | The experience sucks, no matter how hard you try. |
| 20:18.20 | Shirik | what the hell |
| 20:18.22 | Kaso | I like the new fire-wall effect thats been added |
| 20:18.24 | Shirik | gtalk.com goes to hasbro.com |
| 20:18.36 | Cidan | lulz? |
| 20:18.38 | Cidan | talk.google.com |
| 20:18.44 | Shirik | yeah I got it |
| 20:19.28 | Guillotine | do we have a guild on the test server yet? |
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| 20:19.49 | Guillotine | google talk is the best thing EVAR |
| 20:19.53 | alestane | So why exactly do I even LOOK at the PTR forum? |
| 20:20.18 | Kaydeethree | it's slightly more sane when someone's watching the board and deleting the QQIng |
| 20:20.39 | Thunder_Child | Guillotine, no and no |
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| 20:20.56 | Thunder_Child | i'm on there now though |
| 20:21.03 | Thunder_Child | with many errors |
| 20:21.08 | alestane | Cause that's all I see so far..."You said you were gonna make ret pallies playable!" "What have you DONE to Shadowstep?" "What's with Fury?" |
| 20:22.09 | alestane | Meanwhile I ask a sensible question about this "Track Vendor" feature and not one person has anything to say. |
| 20:22.26 | alestane | (Personally I find this feature kind of stupid, but I bet people will love it.) |
| 20:22.46 | Kaydeethree | it stacks with find herbs/minerals/fish/hunter tracking |
| 20:22.57 | Kaydeethree | if that's what you were asking |
| 20:23.09 | alestane | So I can watch for Reagent Vendors and Minerals at the same time? |
| 20:23.12 | Kaydeethree | yes |
| 20:23.31 | alestane | But is it intended for release? It doesn't seem to be in the documented changes anywhere. |
| 20:23.56 | alestane | And why exactly did we need this? |
| 20:24.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Seeing as they shipped new textures for it, I'd assume yes, it's for release |
| 20:24.12 | Thunder_Child | uhhh...does that really look like a lolipop icon to you?? http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2003/1554419403_f0dbe680aa_b.jpg |
| 20:25.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | lols |
| 20:25.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | there's like |
| 20:25.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | 3 icons that look like lollipops |
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| 20:25.17 | Fisker- | of course Thunder_Child |
| 20:25.24 | Fisker- | the radioactive ham is a lollipop |
| 20:25.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | the old aquadynamic fish attractor icon, for example |
| 20:25.39 | Fisker- | but use some common sense |
| 20:25.42 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 20:25.45 | Thunder_Child | right...guess it's just me |
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| 20:26.26 | MentalPower | ~staple ckknight |
| 20:26.26 | purl | ACTION attaches a staple gun to a pneumatic nail gun via duct tape, staples ckknight quite well, and hands ckknight to mentalpower |
| 20:26.53 | ckknight | :-( |
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| 20:29.03 | art3mis | anyone know if the pony keg gives the good mana+stats brew you can buy or if its just the get drunk sampler brew? |
| 20:32.11 | Lunessa | poor ckknight - getting stapled to another person has got to hurt. |
| 20:34.43 | Thunder_Child | heh, i have 14 errors repeating over 300 times so far |
| 20:34.48 | Thunder_Child | 3000* |
| 20:35.19 | art3mis | http://www.woot.com/ |
| 20:35.26 | art3mis | nice |
| 20:35.41 | Thunder_Child | refurb |
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| 20:38.23 | Kaydeethree | 10% distortion |
| 20:38.24 | Kaydeethree | ick |
| 20:38.30 | art3mis | its 90 bucks |
| 20:38.32 | art3mis | ;) |
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| 20:38.39 | art3mis | check that site once a day |
| 20:38.45 | art3mis | sometimes they have super neat things |
| 20:38.52 | Thunder_Child | unless they are having a wootoff |
| 20:38.52 | Kaydeethree | I've been a wooter for a long time |
| 20:38.53 | art3mis | like 10 packs of keyboard mice combos for 25$ |
| 20:39.14 | Thunder_Child | yesterday they had some good gaming headsets for 23 |
| 20:39.26 | bleeter | Wine 0.9.47 released |
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| 20:45.15 | Thunder_Child | huh...i wonder why starshards even has a variation...1584 to 1589 dmg is hardly a big diff |
| 20:45.18 | Intangir | vendor tracker? |
| 20:45.45 | Intangir | is the pvp gear on the PTR yet? |
| 20:46.00 | Thunder_Child | from what i heard season 3 isnt |
| 20:46.30 | Intangir | i want to see it |
| 20:48.53 | Thunder_Child | you guys setting up a guild on the pvpv server again? |
| 20:48.54 | Kaso | Thunder_Child they just love to put ranges |
| 20:49.04 | Kaso | ive seen spells which have 1 point damage between high and low |
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| 20:49.37 | Thunder_Child | is there some all encompasing formula that gets applied regardless? |
| 20:50.09 | Kaso | I dont really know |
| 20:50.23 | Kaso | But it was some NPC spell that did like 50-51 damage over x seconds |
| 20:50.51 | Cide | you specify min + difference (IIRC) |
| 20:51.03 | Cide | but it does some fancy arithmetic stuff |
| 20:51.13 | Cide | adds 1 to the min number or something, I can't remember |
| 20:51.33 | Intangir | do you know if you get arena points daily? |
| 20:51.39 | Cide | you get them weekly |
| 20:51.41 | Cide | every tuesday |
| 20:51.48 | Intangir | on PTR i mean |
| 20:52.10 | Intangir | 2.2 gave arena points daily on PTR |
| 20:52.26 | Thunder_Child | Refreshment table http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2257/1555508942_af552d274f_b.jpg |
| 20:52.36 | Eggi | is here a shadowpriest with ptr access? |
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| 20:54.51 | mikma | Thunder_Child: mage thingy? |
| 20:54.55 | Thunder_Child | ya |
| 20:55.04 | mikma | nice :D |
| 20:55.04 | Thunder_Child | they give out biscuts |
| 20:55.14 | mikma | how many? |
| 20:55.23 | Thunder_Child | thats a good question |
| 20:55.24 | mikma | and what's the cost of that? |
| 20:55.37 | mikma | reagents? mana? |
| 20:55.50 | Thunder_Child | mana i think, similar to the soulwell |
| 20:55.56 | Thunder_Child | ohh.. |
| 20:56.01 | Thunder_Child | reagent then maybe |
| 20:56.28 | ScytheBlade1 | It costs one portal reagent |
| 20:56.32 | mikma | bah, i would test that myself if i could copy my mage |
| 20:56.36 | Thunder_Child | i dont see any new reagents at the vender |
| 20:57.17 | ScytheBlade1 | <ScytheBlade1> It costs one portal reagent |
| 20:58.01 | mikma | Error! server too pussy |
| 20:58.27 | zenzelezz | woot... four hours of messing with hardware and I'm reading to boot up. Yay for upgrades |
| 20:58.52 | Thunder_Child | hmm..Dr. Damage is having issues with starshards |
| 20:59.13 | Guillotine | hmm. what was the function for getting the info on an item NOT in your local cache again? |
| 21:00.12 | Thunder_Child | multi mail function works nicely |
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| 21:04.24 | Thunder_Child | looks like D&T set up a branch guild on the pvp server |
| 21:09.46 | Intangir | http://intangir.org/wow/WoWScrnShot_100707_161130.jpg |
| 21:10.17 | Intangir | thats me ontop of an AV bunker |
| 21:10.26 | Intangir | also my new interface |
| 21:10.29 | Intangir | using bongos2 |
| 21:12.59 | Intangir | http://intangir.org/wow/WoWScrnShot_100407_002047.jpg |
| 21:13.04 | Intangir | lol hes me 1 point short of exaulted |
| 21:13.12 | Kaydeethree | -u |
| 21:13.13 | Intangir | 20999 of 21000 |
| 21:13.19 | Kaso | I love how you totally ignore your friend sharing his feelings with you to show-off you got on the bunker ;> |
| 21:13.26 | Intangir | LOL :) |
| 21:13.33 | Intangir | hahahaha |
| 21:14.06 | Intangir | http://intangir.org/wow/WoWScrnShot_093007_124219.jpg |
| 21:14.09 | Intangir | thats a dranei rogue mining |
| 21:14.12 | Intangir | DRANEI ROGUE! |
| 21:15.41 | Intangir | http://intangir.org/wow/WoWScrnShot_093007_124013.jpg |
| 21:15.42 | Intangir | hehe |
| 21:15.45 | Intangir | more draenie rogue action |
| 21:15.49 | Intangir | the can use your mount too |
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| 21:22.09 | *** topic/#wowi-lounge is #wowi-lounge: Paste Code Here: http://wowi.pastey.net | 2.2.x ToC: 20200 | RTFPN please | WoWI Mod Uploader! http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12821 | 'I'm..... so not excited to be a substitute for the blow-up doll, art3mis.' - Lopeppeppy |
| 21:23.30 | Intangir | HKUI? |
| 21:23.41 | Intangir | whats wrong with my hobby? |
| 21:27.42 | Kaydeethree | bleeter, you still need the downloader? |
| 21:29.56 | bleeter | Kaydeethree: the d/l's not the problem, I grabbed that @ Uni yesterday... it's (in theory at least) getting to the page to copy my char (I believe the copies are disabled atm, so it's not a huge issue ... yet) |
| 21:30.06 | Kaydeethree | random |
| 21:30.10 | Kaydeethree | the queue's full, copying is disabled |
| 21:30.16 | Kaydeethree | really pissing me off, I couldn't get through last night |
| 21:31.07 | bleeter | I can ssh in to various remote hosts, and pull up the web page easy as pie. just timeouts from all my machines at home. nothing on my router/firewall indicates it's a problem my side. |
| 21:32.26 | bleeter | it's as if they're dropping requests from me :/ |
| 21:33.03 | Kaydeethree | what's wireshark say? |
| 21:34.18 | bleeter | buncha requests going out, nothin' comin' back |
| 21:35.06 | foxlit | The internet became self-aware and banned you |
| 21:35.21 | bleeter | bout time it woke up to itself |
| 21:39.26 | Kaso | it frustrates me when you need to google for something but google ignores the puntutation so you get nothing like what you wanted |
| 21:40.02 | Kaso | i was looking for ".local" cos my computer keeps bitching about something on my domain or whatever, but all google gives is "local" stuff (for local people!) |
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| 22:04.59 | Kaydeethree | joys |
| 22:05.02 | Kaydeethree | netsplits ahoy |
| 22:05.05 | bleeter | wootage :D |
| 22:05.05 | Kaso | mm inded |
| 22:05.07 | Valaron|Work | splat |
| 22:05.20 | MentalPower | oh boy |
| 22:05.45 | Kaso | So basically all us cool non-US guys will be fine talking to each other, and you US guys will be all fragmented by yourselfs |
| 22:05.49 | Kaso | Have fun! |
| 22:06.13 | Cidan | it's just as I feared |
| 22:06.18 | Cidan | UT3 is xboxified |
| 22:06.30 | Cidan | The main menu is like that of an xbox game |
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| 22:06.58 | Cidan | and as for the visual style |
| 22:06.59 | Kaso | Gah i hate it when people do that |
| 22:06.59 | Cidan | well |
| 22:07.03 | Cidan | http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=224 |
| 22:07.05 | Cidan | Read. |
| 22:07.22 | Kaso | i loved that comic :> |
| 22:07.53 | Cidan | Well that's what UT3 is. |
| 22:07.57 | Cidan | It's upsetting |
| 22:08.06 | Cidan | Clearly xboxified, thus, not buying it |
| 22:08.31 | Kaso | What're the crazy 1million poly normal mapped magic models like ? |
| 22:08.42 | Cidan | pretty |
| 22:08.50 | Cidan | the game is pretty, if only it didn't have bloom |
| 22:08.55 | Cidan | but the console effect is seen through it |
| 22:09.03 | Cidan | small levels (console + limited ram) |
| 22:09.14 | Cidan | the super massive bloom + blur |
| 22:09.31 | Cidan | but on the plus side |
| 22:09.35 | Cidan | it looks more "Real" |
| 22:09.39 | Cidan | like what UT1 tried to be |
| 22:09.45 | Kaso | Surely you can turn the bloom off somewhere in it's settings? |
| 22:09.52 | Cidan | and is less showy/flashy than UT 2004 |
| 22:10.03 | Cidan | plus it plays like a dream, it's a lot closer to UT1 |
| 22:10.14 | Cidan | but I can't play a game that blinds me |
| 22:10.19 | Cidan | and no, no way to disable bloom |
| 22:10.54 | Cidan | actually, maybe I'm wrong |
| 22:11.01 | Cidan | you can disable post processing effects, let me try that |
| 22:11.06 | Cidan | let you know in a second |
| 22:11.49 | Kaso | I guess that'll take a lot of other things with it just to get rid of the bloom |
| 22:12.47 | Cidan | likely |
| 22:12.51 | Cidan | but we'll see |
| 22:12.55 | Valaron|Work | Anyone has seen this already? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTp9uYnyGLA |
| 22:13.28 | Kaso | Im just catching up on the vgcats cos i havent read it in a while |
| 22:13.32 | Kaso | http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=240 is amazing |
| 22:14.13 | Cidan | well |
| 22:14.17 | Cidan | it's slightly better |
| 22:14.20 | Cidan | less bloom |
| 22:14.22 | Cidan | but not quite |
| 22:15.29 | MentalPower | http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=246 <-- That is EXACTLY what I thought when I played thru that level |
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| 22:23.36 | Kaso | Clad and cladbot were on different servers when the spilt happened |
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| 22:23.39 | Kaydeethree | ya |
| 22:24.26 | Cidan | wb from your split |
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| 22:24.26 | Cidan | incase you missed it, don't buy UT3 |
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| 22:25.08 | Thunder_Child | Intangir, they have some of Season 3 up i think |
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| 22:27.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Holy crap YES @ taint logging: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=879058320&sid=1&pageNo=7#137 |
| 22:27.51 | Kaydeethree | copies up |
| 22:27.51 | Kaydeethree | and flooded to all hell |
| 22:30.00 | Kaydeethree | PVE's still busted, copy to PVP |
| 22:31.14 | bleeter | meh, I still can't reach the webserver |
| 22:31.35 | bleeter | once I'm done with this major file transfer over my wireless, might kick my router in the head |
| 22:34.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Die, "Server Too Busy" |
| 22:34.26 | Kaydeethree | f5, enter, f5, enter |
| 22:35.17 | bleeter | you know, I've got a sneaking suspicion my FPS is higher under Wine 0.9.47 than ever before... but I ain't done much apart from morning AH runs |
| 22:35.53 | bleeter | so just a subjective observation |
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| 22:40.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Character copy is *hammered* indeed |
| 22:42.30 | Olison | is there a way to hide the chatwindow buttons for a specific window (like hitsmode)? |
| 22:45.49 | Olison | you know...the up- and downbuttons |
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| 22:47.56 | Cide | >D |
| 22:50.37 | kergoth | ScytheBlade1: ooh, taint logging will kick ass |
| 22:50.41 | ScytheBlade1 | It'll be awesome |
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| 22:55.15 | |Jelly| | Attention everyone. "THE MACRO GUIDE ISN:T VERY GOOD OKAY" Best quote of the day. |
| 22:55.30 | Kaso | Why isnt it very good? |
| 22:55.36 | Kaso | according to whomever said it |
| 22:56.03 | |Jelly| | Cause he's stupid? I don't know. |
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| 22:56.22 | |Jelly| | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2366657983&postId=23664355843&sid=1#14 I just found it funny. |
| 22:56.49 | break19 | anyone ever heard of a mod that builds on archaeologist/simpleunitframes etc... uses the blizzard-style unitframes, but offers estimated outgoing heals? other unit frames can do it, but they're usually square.. and ugly as all get out. |
| 22:57.35 | |Jelly| | Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, I suppose. (And no, I haven't seen/heard of anything) |
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| 22:58.26 | break19 | |Jelly|: to me, less screen real-estate being taken up by some rectangular monstrosity.. beautiful thing :p |
| 22:58.50 | |Jelly| | The stock UI = makes me want to murder mass quantities of kittens via mouth kicks. |
| 22:59.08 | weab | you're spoiled |
| 22:59.16 | weab | the stock ui is pretty decent. |
| 22:59.16 | break19 | its not so bad.. just needs tweaks :) |
| 22:59.27 | Kaso | As a healer, i could exist with the default unitframes |
| 22:59.40 | weab | you want to see terrible ui go play even online |
| 22:59.41 | Kaso | hello there 2mm long hp bar, how full are you i cant tell |
| 23:00.03 | weab | *eve |
| 23:00.43 | break19 | kaso: when your wow machine is a laptop with a 1024x768 max res 14" LCD, you make do. :) |
| 23:01.25 | Kaso | you poor person |
| 23:01.35 | break19 | poor is right. heh |
| 23:02.00 | break19 | if I werent married, I'd have to go look for a "sugar momma" |
| 23:03.43 | Industrial | |Jelly|: oh man good for you guys that I don't have a US forum account |
| 23:04.10 | |Jelly| | Why? |
| 23:06.58 | bleeter | break19: sell the wife and/or kids? |
| 23:07.09 | Sixen | Goddamn |
| 23:07.13 | Sixen | PTR is terribly backed up |
| 23:07.39 | break19 | cant sell the kid.. worked too hard for her to get here. 5th pregnancy. first kid. :) |
| 23:08.01 | break19 | and if I sell the wife, who's gonna clean up after me? rofl |
| 23:08.02 | |Jelly| | Industrial: Well? lol |
| 23:08.07 | bleeter | awww, congrats. :) |
| 23:08.09 | bleeter | and, well, yeah ;) |
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| 23:08.34 | weab | break19: the rich sugar momma? |
| 23:08.36 | weab | duh |
| 23:08.45 | Thunder_Child | |Jelly|, it's even worse when you cant edit the default UI because every time you click the interface button it does a alt+z on you |
| 23:08.48 | Industrial | |Jelly|: cus I'd totally put him in a sea of flames. |
| 23:08.59 | |Jelly| | rofl. WTS account |
| 23:09.14 | |Jelly| | TC: lol |
| 23:09.21 | Thunder_Child | *sigh* |
| 23:09.26 | Thunder_Child | so sad |
| 23:09.32 | break19 | weab: right.. if I had a sugar momma.. I'd be doin everything I could to KEEP said sugar momma.. including cleaning up after myself.. AND her. |
| 23:09.50 | Industrial | bleeter: lol. |
| 23:10.30 | |Jelly| | Industrial: roflamo |
| 23:11.50 | Thunder_Child | crap...it's some addon/combination of addons that messing it up |
| 23:12.02 | Sixen | KD3, did you get the name Kaydeethree on PvE? |
| 23:12.24 | Kaydeethree | yes, whether or not I'll be able to delete that low-level character is another matter entirely |
| 23:12.28 | Kaydeethree | PVE's busted, I had to copy to PVP |
| 23:12.32 | Sixen | What?! |
| 23:12.50 | Sixen | Can you copy PvP Realms -> PvE Test? |
| 23:12.50 | alestane | break19: BTW, Archaeologist is almost obsolete as of 2.3/ |
| 23:12.53 | Sixen | er |
| 23:13.00 | Sixen | PvE realm -> PvP Test? |
| 23:13.02 | Kaydeethree | the rules don't apply. I went PVE->PVP just fine |
| 23:13.04 | bleeter | Sixen: yes |
| 23:13.05 | Sixen | Ok |
| 23:13.10 | Sixen | So, are we playing on PVP then? |
| 23:13.24 | Sixen | Or are you copying to PvE as well? |
| 23:13.28 | Sixen | I can delete chars just fine on it. |
| 23:13.35 | break19 | alestane: true, but then, I'm using KC_PlayerFramePlus personally. :p |
| 23:13.45 | Kaydeethree | if I can copy to PVE I will, I just want my 70 on the PTR rather than a <10 character |
| 23:13.51 | Sixen | :p |
| 23:14.00 | alestane | Ah. It's okay for me anyway, Archaeologist also taints the stock Rad Frames and I was about to rewrite it. |
| 23:14.05 | Sixen | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:14.05 | Sixen | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:14.06 | Sixen | -.-! |
| 23:17.00 | break19 | alestane: I used to use pitbull, but man alive did it eat some screen, i could scale it down, but then I couldnt get the info I needed.. I just want buff/debuff on all frames (at -all- times, not just on hover as the default UI party frames do), estimated heals, and mobhealth support for the target/focus frames.. |
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| 23:18.09 | weab | pitbull does all that |
| 23:18.25 | alestane | I don't feel like replacing large portion of my interface, so I've stuck with ddons that "enhance" the stock...that's why I liked Archaeologist, except for the taint thing. I was just starting Exposé when I got to check out the PTR. Still need something for buff display though. |
| 23:18.25 | weab | what prevented you from scaling it down to just those features |
| 23:18.38 | break19 | I know.. AND it eats my screen |
| 23:18.54 | break19 | hence why I said "man alive did it eat some screen" |
| 23:19.14 | weab | i'm still confused |
| 23:19.17 | break19 | not to mention CPU cycles |
| 23:19.19 | weab | you're in control of it's size |
| 23:19.47 | break19 | weab: when it's scaled down to the same size the bliz frames, then they're basically unreadable. |
| 23:19.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | pitbull's only big if you make it big :o |
| 23:20.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | hell, use dogtags to change mouseover behavior of text if you want |
| 23:20.09 | break19 | plus.. its a plain box. |
| 23:20.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | i have mine have % until i mouseover the frame |
| 23:20.21 | break19 | box = boring |
| 23:20.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | then it changes to raw numbers |
| 23:20.45 | weab | i wasnt aware it was vital to have an ultra mega super texture for a boring health bar |
| 23:21.02 | break19 | who cares about a texture? I care about the SHAPE |
| 23:21.15 | Cairenn | someone do me a favour and do a /stats p, and tell me if there are any freenode staff on, please? |
| 23:21.41 | break19 | and why am I arguing with you?? I like what I like.. you dont.. fine.. |
| 23:22.00 | weab | a rectangle you hate but a rectangle with soft edges so it looks rounded you don't |
| 23:22.10 | Kaydeethree | [19:21:57] --- p :0 staff members |
| 23:22.17 | Cairenn | thanks Kaydeethree :) |
| 23:22.23 | weab | you are entitled to your wrong opinion |
| 23:22.28 | break19 | weab: ignored |
| 23:22.32 | weab | rofl |
| 23:22.41 | Kaydeethree | chill guys |
| 23:22.42 | weab | take a joke, jeez |
| 23:22.45 | Cairenn | don't make me spank you guys |
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| 23:22.49 | Cairenn | behave |
| 23:22.58 | bleeter | after the spanking... |
| 23:23.05 | break19 | Cairenn: uhm. .. nevermind :p |
| 23:23.05 | Cairenn | bleeter: you wish |
| 23:23.29 | Cairenn | bleeter: no need, I know it well |
| 23:23.29 | bleeter | Cairenn: ewewish is my druid alt :P |
| 23:24.32 | break19 | reminds me of my old Hibby bard on Daoc.. "Taxiicab Driver" w |
| 23:25.37 | bleeter | Cairenn: I bet you know oral sex real well :P |
| 23:25.53 | Cairenn | ~sigh bleeter |
| 23:25.54 | purl | ACTION sighs, rolls its eyes and shakes its head, "bleeter!" |
| 23:25.55 | bleeter | soz, you walked straight into that one |
| 23:30.39 | *** topic/#wowi-lounge by Cairenn -> #wowi-lounge: Paste Code Here: http://wowi.pastey.net | 2.2.x ToC: 20200 | RTFPN please | WoWI Mod Uploader! http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12821 | "Well, if I called the wrong number, why did you answer the phone?" - James Thurber |
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| 23:41.44 | Kaydeethree | woo. forum purges <3 |
| 23:42.02 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Kandoko (n=Testing@adsl-068-159-119-207.sip.gsp.bellsouth.net) |
| 23:43.02 | break19 | woo, its tuller.. my bar, price and CD addon man.. heh howdy. nice stuff man, real nice. |
| 23:43.19 | Tuller | thanks :) |
| 23:43.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | welp |
| 23:43.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm buying guitar hero 3 whenever it shows up i suppose |
| 23:43.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | i was kinda on the fence about it but played the demo today and i'm sold on it :o |
| 23:44.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | Q4 2007 is incredibly expensive |
| 23:44.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | there's so many games i want and have no money for :[ |
| 23:44.39 | break19 | Mr_Rabies: heh.. join the club.. I need a better machine for said games first tho... |
| 23:44.43 | Tuller | so does anyone have a screenshot handy of the guild bank? |
| 23:44.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | well |
| 23:44.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | me too |
| 23:45.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | which is why i'm getting quite a few of them on 360 instead |
| 23:45.04 | Kaydeethree | Tuller, neg. it's still disabled on the ptr |
| 23:45.08 | Tuller | ah |
| 23:45.20 | Tuller | well that makes me feel better for not being on the PTR :) |
| 23:45.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | bioshock and the like don't really need twitch controls |
| 23:45.37 | Kaydeethree | lmao... the copy queue was open for an hour, it's already full again |
| 23:45.37 | break19 | I wish, somehow, I could find a way to slap together my two ibooks, and make everything twice as fast. lol |
| 23:46.07 | break19 | brb, food may be here.. checkin.. |
| 23:46.23 | foxlit | meh, I copied a character while you people were going "The PTRs aren't up, read stickies, you noob!" yesterday |
| 23:46.29 | break19 | dang.. no food yet |
| 23:46.48 | foxlit | * dramatization. |
| 23:47.12 | break19 | foxlit: but not an -over-dramatization, correct? heh |
| 23:47.30 | foxlit | I don't know. |
| 23:47.44 | foxlit | Can you over-exaggerate something? |
| 23:47.58 | break19 | sure |
| 23:48.58 | break19 | you get stopped doin 120mph, tell the officer I was barely doin 70!, thats an over-exaggeration, compared to.. tellin him. yea.. I was goin just a wee bit over, wasnt I? |
| 23:49.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | so those of you who are in the know |
| 23:50.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | how does this sound for a game |
| 23:50.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | Tim Schaefer, doing a game about metal, starring Ronnie James Dio, Jack Black, Lemmy from Motorhead, Rob Halford, and more |
| 23:50.55 | break19 | btw.. cookies and milk for whoever can tell me who said (as in the quote, not just "you said it.. just now") "Reader, suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself" |
| 23:50.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | i really, really really can't wait for that game |
| 23:51.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | that sounds somewhat like a mark twainism, but i'm guessing i'm wrong, break19 |
| 23:51.25 | Kaydeethree | I wanna say Mark Twain too |
| 23:51.31 | break19 | heres some cookies and milk for ya'll :P |
| 23:51.39 | break19 | i've always been a twain fan. |
| 23:51.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've never actually heard said quote |
| 23:51.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | it just sounds like something he'd say |
| 23:51.47 | break19 | the Mark kind.. not the shania.. lol |
| 23:52.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | what can i say, i calls em likes i sees em |
| 23:52.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm a big fan of twain's style |
| 23:52.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | it has so many layers |
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| 23:52.43 | break19 | ahhhh FOOD HERE. me go! *grunt* |
| 23:52.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | you can read the adventures of huck finn |
| 23:53.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | as a kid, and it seems like a harmless adventure story |
| 23:53.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | then later as you're a teen and see the whole free/slave thing |
| 23:53.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | and then later and see all the social commentary, and it's great |
| 23:53.30 | Cairenn | and if he tried to write it now, he'd be stoned as a racist |
| 23:53.35 | alestane | I loved the King and the Duke |
| 23:53.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | cair, some schools actually banned it |
| 23:53.52 | Cairenn | I'm aware of that |
| 23:53.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | because of the use of the word "nigger" despite the context |
| 23:54.01 | Cairenn | that's what I'm refering too |
| 23:54.11 | Cairenn | to* |
| 23:54.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | in the context, he's not trying to support that behavior at all, but trying to bring it to the surface |
| 23:54.49 | bleeter | WHAT! |
| 23:54.54 | bleeter | HOGGER'S NO LONGER ELITE?! |
| 23:55.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | he isn't? |
| 23:55.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | HEADS WILL ROLL |
| 23:55.40 | bleeter | hmm, confusing thread.. someone go check it http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2366678242&sid=1 |
| 23:55.42 | break19 | Wha? no more patch day, epic hogger raids on one of the few servers left up?? |
| 23:55.48 | alestane | Much of Twain's work was actually a commentary on the stupidity of racism. |
| 23:55.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | right, alestane |
| 23:56.28 | alestane | Pudd'nhead Wilson for instance. |
| 23:56.32 | Cairenn | yup, but he still couldn't write it today, because of all the morons who can't read *and comprehend* |
| 23:57.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's all about context |
| 23:57.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | i mean, mark twain's stuff is incredibly dark and depressing when you get into it |
| 23:57.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | he was a very bitter man towards the end of his writing |
