| 00:00.24 | Lunessa | People are idiots. I say this knowing full well that many people also consider me an idiot. But getting all bent out of shape over message throttling is ... idiotic. |
| 00:01.19 | |Jelly| | Couldn't agree more. |
| 00:01.25 | |Jelly| | L2/in imo |
| 00:01.31 | Valaron|Work | Slouken needs to lock that thread. |
| 00:01.46 | Lunessa | he needs to lock ALL of them. |
| 00:01.51 | Valaron|Work | Ya |
| 00:02.15 | AnduinLothar | it breaks global addon channels |
| 00:02.33 | AnduinLothar | or at least slows them to a point where they are only useful for small packets |
| 00:06.42 | Lunessa | I thought I had explained it pretty well, but obviously people can't accept that spam is more than some dufus in a city sending "Buy WoW goldz from my sitez!" in /2. |
| 00:07.18 | Shirik|Ecole | =( Cidan ignores me intentionally |
| 00:07.26 | Shirik|Ecole | Lunessa, will you be on tonight? I'm going home now |
| 00:07.50 | Lunessa | Yeah, I get home at 11pm Central, but I can sneak on from the office and throw you an invite. |
| 00:08.17 | Lunessa | I'll be on IRC, so you can ping me here first. |
| 00:08.54 | Shirik|Ecole | yey |
| 00:08.54 | Shirik|Ecole | <3 |
| 00:08.56 | Shirik|Ecole | take care |
| 00:14.38 | sysrage | wasn't following the conversation, but my 2 cents on the new anti-flood stuff: cracks me up that you can still do it in /say.. that's where most the spammers i ever saw use it! |
| 00:14.57 | sysrage | stand outside the bank spamming /say |
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| 00:30.39 | Lunessa | yo! |
| 00:30.51 | Shirik | are you sure you want to do this from work? I mean I can wait.. |
| 00:31.15 | Lunessa | I can do it in about 30 mins. In the middle of something right now... |
| 00:31.25 | Shirik | sure no worries :) |
| 00:31.27 | Lunessa | If you can wait that long. :) |
| 00:31.38 | Shirik | I can wait for a while :) |
| 00:37.37 | Shirik | oh dear god |
| 00:38.25 | Shirik | this was in trade channel: ((--375--)) Pot spetc {aLcmesit} Lfw |
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| 00:38.35 | Shirik | It continued for 2 lines but I cba to type them all out |
| 00:38.38 | Shirik | but you can fill in the rest |
| 00:39.03 | Lunessa | Kirin Tor trade channels are... dubious at best. |
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| 00:47.26 | Corrodias | gruul down for the second time! woot! |
| 00:47.35 | Lunessa | Conga-rats! |
| 00:47.39 | Corrodias | guess we're going to mosey on over to TK |
| 00:48.18 | Corrodias | our dps is impressive tonight. our first kill was on growth 16-18, and yesterday we weren't even close, but this today was on 12 |
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| 01:02.25 | Lunessa | Shirik: I'm logging in now. |
| 01:02.38 | Shirik | ah ok, I'll have to get right back off |
| 01:02.40 | Shirik | but I'll get in :) |
| 01:03.32 | Lunessa | I'm on as Unkle. |
| 01:04.59 | Cidan | Lunessa: PvP or PvE? |
| 01:05.19 | Shirik | RP PvE |
| 01:05.32 | Shirik | And Lunessa's ignoring me |
| 01:07.57 | Shirik | and then she disappeared =( |
| 01:08.02 | Shirik | o.o |
| 01:08.09 | Shirik | I predict the future! |
| 01:08.37 | Shirik | lol I have 50% rest XP at lvl 1 |
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| 01:15.14 | Corrodias | our first attempt at the first pull didn't go fantastically |
| 01:15.17 | Corrodias | mages died. ow. |
| 01:19.08 | Shirik | bye Cidan :( |
| 01:19.50 | Cidan | what? |
| 01:19.54 | Cidan | bye what? |
| 01:19.57 | Cidan | why? |
| 01:20.39 | Shirik | ******@gmail.com has left the conversation |
| 01:22.02 | Corrodias | second attempt worked a LOT better. we won! |
| 01:22.19 | Lunessa | WOOT |
| 01:23.32 | Cidan | I closed the window by accident |
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| 01:35.06 | Corrodias | okay, our trash is going like cake now |
| 01:41.41 | Wobwork | Portal cake? |
| 01:45.18 | JoshBorke | Corrodias: paladin tank works really well on the first pull from al'ar's room |
| 02:06.40 | AnduinLothar | why's that? |
| 02:09.15 | Nom- | lol |
| 02:09.22 | Nom- | let me guess, you're trying to get to lootreaver |
| 02:09.37 | Nom- | We've stopped farming LootReaver |
| 02:09.55 | Nom- | We're going to kill him after we down Al'ar this week, but that's about it |
| 02:15.57 | AnduinLothar | does spellsurge stack? |
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| 02:33.11 | Nom- | wow |
| 02:33.20 | Nom- | $AUD just broke 91 US cents !!! |
| 02:33.33 | Nom- | US economy is going to shite imo :) |
| 02:35.30 | Nom- | Wow... |
| 02:35.35 | Nom- | It must be a slow news week |
| 02:35.36 | Nom- | http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,22651563-13762,00.html |
| 02:36.00 | Nom- | I mean... SRSLY... wind + object dangled in mid air = ??? |
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| 02:52.59 | Wobwork | yes... well news.com.au |
| 02:53.16 | Wobwork | not the most kwality of jernalizm |
| 02:56.23 | Nom- | *nod* |
| 02:56.35 | Nom- | Better than watching channel 7,9 or 10 though |
| 03:06.13 | Wobwork | well.. |
| 03:06.20 | Wobwork | you can always watch dvds =) |
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| 03:07.15 | Lunessa | ... station |
| 03:17.06 | Wobwork | Lunessa: wtf |
| 03:17.15 | Lunessa | wtf, wtf? |
| 03:17.22 | Wobwork | station? |
| 03:17.35 | Lunessa | How about STATION! |
| 03:17.36 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa, cannot stop saying that |
| 03:17.46 | Wobwork | why? |
| 03:17.47 | Thunder_Child | s/a,/a/ |
| 03:18.08 | Corrodias | void reaver laughed at us |
| 03:18.18 | Wobwork | was it a booming HAHAHA |
| 03:18.21 | Wobwork | or a titter |
| 03:18.28 | Corrodias | healing requirements were ridiculous in the melee area, i think |
| 03:18.41 | Lunessa | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_&_Ted's_Bogus_Journey |
| 03:18.49 | Thunder_Child | ~sneeze |
| 03:18.54 | purl | sneeze is probably ach00 |
| 03:20.00 | Thunder_Child | ~achoo |
| 03:20.01 | purl | Gesundheit! |
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| 04:18.07 | Kemayo | I absolutely do. |
| 04:18.18 | Kemayo | Oh, wow, I was scrolled a long way up. |
| 04:18.42 | kadrahil | You absolutely were. |
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| 04:57.06 | Thunder_Child | rather quiet atm |
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| 04:58.18 | Wobwork | heheh |
| 04:58.18 | Wobwork | http://www.blizzard.com/wow/screenshot.aspx?ImageIndex=184&Set=64 |
| 04:59.04 | Wobwork | er |
| 04:59.09 | Wobwork | http://www.blizzard.com/wow/screenshot.aspx?ImageIndex=185&Set=64 |
| 04:59.17 | Thunder_Child | the last frame doesnt really go with the rest |
| 04:59.19 | art3mis | hahahaha |
| 04:59.28 | art3mis | long live the texas gate! |
| 04:59.51 | Wobwork | cattle grid ftw =) |
| 05:00.26 | art3mis | would have been funny if there were those around all the mob encampments in mulgor |
| 05:01.48 | art3mis | i kind of like this farming place |
| 05:01.51 | art3mis | its stupid easr |
| 05:01.54 | art3mis | easy |
| 05:01.57 | Wobwork | http://www.blizzard.com/wow/screenshot.aspx?ImageIndex=180&Set=64 =) |
| 05:02.01 | Wobwork | so cute |
| 05:02.10 | art3mis | last 2 days or so ive made around 1200g |
| 05:03.02 | Thunder_Child | they are working on docking manuvers if anyone wants to check out nasatv |
| 05:03.15 | Cairenn | rofl: http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/ver/223/popup/index.php?cl=4274384 |
| 05:03.17 | art3mis | pretending? or actual |
| 05:03.23 | Thunder_Child | actual |
| 05:03.33 | Thunder_Child | http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/live_tv.html |
| 05:03.35 | Wobwork | art3mis: where's that? |
| 05:04.07 | art3mis | deaths door |
| 05:04.15 | Thunder_Child | blades edge? |
| 05:04.16 | art3mis | about 9-17silver per kill thats like a 3 second fight |
| 05:04.18 | art3mis | yeah |
| 05:04.27 | art3mis | fel arms and marks of sarg galore |
| 05:04.36 | art3mis | and shitloads of greens to dust or sell |
| 05:04.54 | art3mis | lucked out and got 20 large prismatics from my des |
| 05:05.28 | art3mis | started at 300g last weel, up to 1900g today not counting the 800-900 on my bank mule |
| 05:06.16 | art3mis | and ive helped about 9 people do thier houndmaster quests while hanging around |
| 05:06.23 | Thunder_Child | lol Cairenn, quite funny |
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| 05:09.10 | Corrodias | no way am i installing any new drivers until i've properly researched them for stability |
| 05:09.26 | Corrodias | but yeah. needed a reboot because of graphic anomalies after loading that weird model... |
| 05:09.39 | Thunder_Child | looks like they just docked |
| 05:09.51 | Thunder_Child | yep |
| 05:09.56 | art3mis | yup |
| 05:10.03 | art3mis | ya know whats nerdy |
| 05:10.09 | Thunder_Child | you cheered to? |
| 05:10.11 | art3mis | we actually enjoy nasatv |
| 05:10.24 | Thunder_Child | so do i |
| 05:10.29 | Wobwork | http://www.blizzard.com/wow/screenshot.aspx?ImageIndex=170&Set=64 |
| 05:10.30 | Wobwork | win |
| 05:11.16 | art3mis | heh like whats his name talking about being a tv generation, we saw kennedy shot live on tv and were gonna be damned sure to never miss stuff liktthat again |
| 05:11.41 | Thunder_Child | .... |
| 05:11.42 | Corrodias | hahah |
| 05:12.27 | art3mis | hahahaha |
| 05:12.28 | Nom- | mmmmmmmmmm |
| 05:12.37 | art3mis | :have you tried printing other pdfs? |
| 05:13.25 | art3mis | its kind of rad that they're all super stokedto be abord the iss |
| 05:14.25 | Thunder_Child | woo hoo, ninja costume |
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| 05:17.57 | Kelfarr | ugh Covenant is pretty annoying, he is trying to flame me in every thread |
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| 05:28.54 | art3mis | http://support.microsoft.com/?scid=kb%3Ben-us%3B276304&x=8&y=12 |
| 05:29.03 | art3mis | Your password must be at least 18770 characters and cannot repeat any of your previous 30689 passwords. Please type a different password. Type a password that meets these requirements in both text boxes. |
| 05:29.09 | Thunder_Child | lol art3mis, my thought was just the other way around |
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| 05:33.40 | Shirik | art3mis: rofl |
| 05:35.52 | art3mis | http://edgeofnowhere.cc/viewtopic.php?t=373627&sid=63a5427ca8f065c193efce36d34a8017 <-- more than 1 trick or treat an hour |
| 05:36.38 | art3mis | oh and appearantly priests can use the /cast throw "bug" thats in gnomer with the wrenches with the spear guys in slavepens |
| 05:36.56 | Wobwork | yeah |
| 05:36.59 | Wobwork | I was going to try that one |
| 05:37.08 | Wobwork | and it's in underbog |
| 05:37.13 | Wobwork | Maybe? |
| 05:37.29 | Wobwork | although the SP ones are probably easier to get to |
| 05:38.08 | art3mis | yeah its ub |
| 05:39.03 | art3mis | actually im gonna fly over and check that out |
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| 05:43.55 | Wobwork | lemme know how you go |
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| 05:48.35 | Guillotine | I tried it on my 62 priest but couldn't solo to them :( |
| 05:49.29 | Guillotine | though I heard it from a guildy |
| 05:49.39 | Guillotine | don't think Cair would like you linking exploit sites in here :P |
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| 05:52.00 | art3mis | technically that hlloween one is a lua trick |
| 05:52.09 | art3mis | mainly cuz it can do it faster than human hands ;P |
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| 05:52.52 | Guillotine | yah, but the site appears to be for exploits :P |
| 05:53.01 | art3mis | well duh ;P |
| 05:55.05 | Thunder_Child | i'm surprised Cairenn doesnt have exploit flagged |
| 05:55.22 | Guillotine | flagged? |
| 05:55.32 | Thunder_Child | ping... |
| 05:55.33 | Cairenn | who says I don't? |
| 05:55.39 | Guillotine | oh |
| 05:55.51 | Thunder_Child | heh |
| 05:56.02 | Cairenn | (actually, I don't, but when you said my name ... ) |
| 05:56.05 | Guillotine | lol |
| 05:56.09 | Guillotine | shes like voldemort |
| 05:56.16 | Guillotine | if you say her name, she knows you're here >.> |
| 05:56.21 | Cairenn | blame pidgin |
| 05:56.46 | Guillotine | I have that set up on XChat for every form of my name :P |
| 05:58.37 | art3mis | even buttmonkey? |
| 05:59.04 | Guillotine | that is NOT a form of my name :P |
| 05:59.19 | Guillotine | whoo! only 12 hours until my download of the demo for Hellgate:London finishes! |
| 06:00.36 | Guillotine | speaking of exploits |
| 06:00.37 | Iriel | Hm, the tiny single player demo? |
| 06:00.49 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 06:00.51 | Guillotine | Cairenn: I have something for you to give to Slouken |
| 06:00.52 | Guillotine | yah |
| 06:00.59 | Cairenn | o.O |
| 06:01.16 | Thunder_Child | Guillotine, where are you getting it from? |
| 06:01.31 | Thunder_Child | but it's really really fun |
| 06:01.37 | Guillotine | its really a UI error, but I have no way to show how to reproduce it other than exposing a small exploit with validation in the UI |
| 06:02.08 | Cairenn | you know my addy, send it along with the explanation, I'll get it in his hands |
| 06:02.18 | Guillotine | yup :) |
| 06:02.45 | Cairenn | :) |
| 06:02.45 | art3mis | wonder what the solo rogue bug in SP is |
| 06:03.13 | Cairenn | night Iriel, sweet dreams |
| 06:03.23 | Thunder_Child | night Iriel |
| 06:03.29 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn will tuck you in |
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| 06:08.35 | art3mis | yeah i cant even get up to the murkbloods in underbog |
| 06:09.25 | art3mis | 3packs of swamp things stop me |
| 06:09.39 | Wobwork | maybe slavepens then? |
| 06:10.19 | Thunder_Child | you all fail |
| 06:10.33 | Wobwork | well I haven't |
| 06:10.36 | Wobwork | cause I haven't tried |
| 06:10.41 | Wobwork | but yes, art did fail |
| 06:11.05 | Thunder_Child | ALL...you ALL fail |
| 06:11.13 | Wobwork | ALL includes you |
| 06:11.29 | Wobwork | so technically you should say "We fail" |
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| 06:11.38 | Guillotine | TC: downloading it from fileplanet. is there another place thats better? |
| 06:11.38 | Thunder_Child | no |
| 06:11.44 | Thunder_Child | fileshack Guillotine |
| 06:11.52 | Wobwork | sorry TC |
| 06:11.54 | Wobwork | You fail =P |
| 06:12.11 | Thunder_Child | Wobwork, saying Everyone fails would include me, saying you all fail does not |
| 06:12.30 | Wobwork | TC: You fail |
| 06:14.36 | Wobwork | anyway |
| 06:14.41 | Wobwork | I was saying "All" includes you |
| 06:14.45 | Wobwork | so it should be "we all fail" |
| 06:15.01 | Wobwork | not that "you all fail" doesn't include you |
| 06:15.29 | Thunder_Child | but it doesnt include me |
| 06:16.19 | Wobwork | Well yes it does |
| 06:16.22 | Wobwork | cause you failed too |
| 06:16.44 | Wobwork | (4:10:23 PM) WobWork: TC: You fail |
| 06:16.44 | Wobwork | see? |
| 06:18.34 | art3mis | hrm "solo" is a misnomer there |
| 06:19.04 | art3mis | to get to the brief amount of stuff you either need invis+speed pots or someone to take the starter mobs |
| 06:19.40 | Wobwork | Same with gnomer I guess |
| 06:19.47 | art3mis | gnomer you dont |
| 06:19.51 | art3mis | well not at 70 |
| 06:19.53 | art3mis | ;) |
| 06:19.54 | Wobwork | the spanner gnomes are right there? |
| 06:19.57 | Wobwork | well yeah =P |
| 06:19.58 | Thunder_Child | "(23:16:46) (Wobwork) (4:10:23 PM) WobWork: TC: You fail" your word do not affect me |
| 06:19.59 | art3mis | yeah |
| 06:20.07 | Wobwork | Thunder_Child: Nor do yours then =) |
| 06:20.09 | Thunder_Child | s/word/words/ |
| 06:20.11 | Wobwork | So clearly I don't fail |
| 06:20.33 | Wobwork | But -you- do |
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| 06:21.03 | Thunder_Child | Wobwork, nope, but thanks for playing |
| 06:21.13 | Wobwork | You're welcome |
| 06:22.09 | Wobwork | You know you've been on the internet too long that you have to double check "You're welcome" to realise that it's actually correct =P |
| 06:23.37 | Thunder_Child | what was wrong with it? |
| 06:24.01 | |Jelly| | ~whalenuke Thunder_Child |
| 06:24.01 | purl | ACTION dons his radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around Thunder_Child with his mind powers |
| 06:24.01 | Wobwork | You're, as opposed to 'Your' |
| 06:24.09 | Thunder_Child | ah |
| 06:24.13 | Thunder_Child | ~whaleshield |
| 06:24.14 | purl | ACTION summons a rather dense leaden whale named Billy Bob to shield thunder_child from the blast. |
| 06:24.23 | |Jelly| | Nice. |
| 06:25.56 | Thunder_Child | :) |
| 06:26.46 | Cidan | Shirik: gtalk crash? |
| 06:26.49 | Tem | is there a way to tell metacity themes to be per-application selective? |
| 06:26.57 | Cidan | Tem: no |
| 06:27.01 | Tem | weak |
| 06:27.04 | Cidan | Tem: Indeed |
| 06:27.06 | Tem | I like the way Darklooks looks |
| 06:27.16 | Tem | but it makes a bunch of pages in firefox unreadable |
| 06:27.18 | Cidan | Tem: Try emerald |
| 06:27.24 | Kelfarr | back |
| 06:27.29 | Tem | because the default font color is a light color |
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| 06:27.35 | Tem | Cidan, I'm using emerald |
| 06:27.38 | Cidan | Tem: apt-get install emerald emerald-manager |
| 06:27.39 | Cidan | oh |
| 06:27.47 | Tem | Cidan, I'm in some kind of bizarre half and half position |
| 06:27.51 | Cidan | lulz? |
| 06:27.53 | AnduinLothar | :) I just did 800 dps to a forest rager in scetis on the ptr self buffed |
| 06:27.59 | AnduinLothar | 72 elite |
| 06:28.07 | Cidan | Tem: How do you like Gusty? |
| 06:28.08 | Tem | metacity themes are managing the 'interior' of windows |
| 06:28.25 | Tem | Cidan, now that my mouse doesn't freeze within 5 minutes of bootup, I like it a lot |
| 06:28.31 | Tem | <3 compiz |
| 06:28.41 | Cidan | Yep, it's slick in this version. |
| 06:28.49 | Cidan | enough that I deleted Vista, :P |
| 06:29.03 | Tem | I can't do that until I get portal and wow working in linux |
| 06:29.09 | Cidan | both work just fine |
| 06:29.24 | AnduinLothar | i would venture to say 100dps was from consecration which i wont use all the time in raids, but i'll prolly gain another 100 for raid buffs |
| 06:29.32 | AnduinLothar | 200 if i have windfury |
| 06:29.40 | Cidan | I think Shirik died, :/ |
| 06:30.19 | Cidan | we were having hot nerd math sex on gtalk |
| 06:30.26 | Tem | hot |
| 06:30.28 | Cidan | and all of the sudden, poof, offline |
| 06:30.33 | art3mis | cid figured out the issue with the xpress1100 chips |
| 06:30.42 | Cidan | er, no? |
| 06:30.59 | Cidan | I told you, my laptop works just fine, and I believe it's xpress1100 |
| 06:31.01 | art3mis | xgl+fglrx -- compiz working... xorg+raedon == 3daccel working |
| 06:31.34 | art3mis | so you just have to swap servers depending on what yer doing ;P |
| 06:31.42 | Cidan | er, I... don't |
| 06:31.44 | Cidan | it works just fine |
| 06:31.48 | Cidan | WoW and all |
| 06:31.54 | art3mis | wow works fine WITH compiz functional? |
| 06:32.07 | Cidan | yeppers |
| 06:32.10 | Tem | Cidan, so, how do I make emerald handle everything? |
| 06:32.16 | art3mis | what did you change? |
| 06:32.20 | Tem | am I missing a --replace somewhere |
| 06:32.23 | Cidan | Tem: did you run it with emerald --replace? |
| 06:32.45 | Cidan | art3mis: nothing... |
| 06:32.52 | art3mis | on yer laptop i mean |
| 06:32.56 | Cidan | art3mis: nothing! |
| 06:33.01 | Cidan | I installed xgl, that's it |
| 06:33.08 | art3mis | wierd |
| 06:33.11 | Tem | Cidan, metacity is still doing the interior of windows |
| 06:33.12 | Cidan | and compiz settings manager |
| 06:33.15 | Tem | is that how it should be? |
| 06:33.25 | Cidan | Perhaps, I actually don't have emerald on this machine |
| 06:33.27 | wereHamster | compiz isn't all that nice if you have multiple screens :( |
| 06:33.29 | Cidan | let me install it |
| 06:33.30 | art3mis | i did a clean install and installed xgl and the settings manager and compiz works but wow 3d hardware fails |
| 06:33.34 | Cidan | wereHamster: How so? |
| 06:33.49 | art3mis | did you use the restricted drivers? |
| 06:34.19 | Cidan | I believe so, yes. |
| 06:34.35 | Cidan | I can't check, laptop is in a bag about 5 feet away |
| 06:34.38 | Cidan | and I'm too lazy to move |
| 06:34.44 | Cidan | 5 feet == 100 miles atm. |
| 06:34.44 | art3mis | i hate you |
| 06:35.36 | wereHamster | there were a few bugs. because noboby uses separate screens |
| 06:35.59 | wereHamster | and I'm sure there are more.. |
| 06:36.25 | Wobwork | It worked fine for me, kinda |
| 06:36.29 | Wobwork | but I ahven't looked for a while |
| 06:36.30 | Thunder_Child | lol Cidan |
| 06:36.34 | Wobwork | with two screens |
| 06:36.44 | Cidan | wtf |
| 06:36.49 | Cidan | I can't connect to the emerald theme svn |
| 06:37.09 | wereHamster | I mean two separate X screens, not xinerama or twinview |
| 06:37.32 | Cidan | wereHamster: aye, I know what you mean. I fail to see the issue, it worked fine when I had two screens |
| 06:37.40 | Cidan | it was just one giant cube across both screens |
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| 06:38.27 | Wobwork | oh you want two separate cubes? |
| 06:38.59 | wereHamster | starting apps through a command would start the app on the first screen regardless on which screen the mouse pointer was |
| 06:39.08 | Cairenn | Guillotine: have you sent it yet? |
| 06:39.31 | Guillotine | Cairenn: typing up a complete explanation so Sam has to do as little as possible :) |
| 06:39.54 | wereHamster | also, the 'window decoration' plugin would start emerald only on the first screen |
| 06:39.57 | Cairenn | k, was just making sure I hadn't somehow missed it and deleted it or anything stupid like that |
| 06:41.16 | Cidan | huh |
| 06:41.18 | Cidan | you know |
| 06:41.22 | Cidan | I just killed compiz by accident |
| 06:41.30 | Cidan | and the desktop really does run a lot smoother |
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| 06:43.28 | Cidan | wow actually |
| 06:43.35 | Cidan | WoW runs a hojillian times better |
| 06:43.39 | Cidan | with Compiz disabled. |
| 06:44.04 | wereHamster | no wonder :) |
| 06:44.48 | wereHamster | compiz is a performance killer for gl apps |
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| 06:50.18 | Tem | Cidan, so... |
| 06:50.39 | Tem | is it normal for the compiz theme to only change the borders and title bar? |
| 06:52.00 | Guillotine | Cairenn: just sent it :) |
| 06:52.05 | Cairenn | k |
| 06:52.48 | Cairenn | forwarded, it'll be in his inbox first thing in the morning |
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| 07:01.35 | art3mis | im kind of stoked that 7.10 finally has working broadcom wireless drivers though |
| 07:02.46 | Tem | what? |
| 07:02.50 | Tem | working boadcom? |
| 07:02.54 | Tem | unpossible |
| 07:02.57 | art3mis | truth! |
| 07:03.10 | Tem | I might be able to install ubuntu on my laptop then! |
| 07:03.21 | art3mis | its glxgears right? |
| 07:03.38 | Esamynn | Tem: linux on a laptop is always an adventure ;) |
| 07:03.48 | Tem | Esamynn, I've tried it before on this particular laptop |
| 07:03.57 | Esamynn | oh? |
| 07:04.03 | Tem | but after a few hours of horrible failures, we gave up on wireless support |
| 07:04.12 | Tem | couldn't even make it work with ndiswrapper |
| 07:04.27 | art3mis | you've got an acer as well? |
| 07:04.29 | Esamynn | yes, I remember people in my Uni common room often complaining about wireless on their linux laptops ;) |
| 07:04.35 | Tem | art3mis, dell |
| 07:04.39 | art3mis | oh |
| 07:04.44 | Tem | never. |
| 07:04.45 | Tem | ever. |
| 07:04.48 | Tem | buy an acer laptop |
| 07:04.53 | Esamynn | why? |
| 07:04.56 | art3mis | hehe only thingthat 7.10 doesnt work perfecly for out of the box is the obicam on my 5100 acer |
| 07:05.03 | art3mis | the enw ones are slick |
| 07:05.03 | Tem | _horrible_ hardware |
| 07:05.07 | art3mis | fuck that |
| 07:05.17 | art3mis | best screen ive seen on ANY laptop for clarity |
| 07:05.26 | art3mis | best wireless card for qualityand range ive seen |
| 07:05.28 | Tem | maybe they've gotten better lately |
| 07:05.36 | Tem | I haven't seen one in 3 years |
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| 07:05.40 | art3mis | the 5100 series was thier marker into "good laptops" |
| 07:05.46 | Esamynn | Toshiba is a good brand for laptops |
| 07:05.55 | art3mis | 1.6x2 x64 |
| 07:06.03 | art3mis | toshiba used to e awesome |
| 07:06.05 | art3mis | be |
| 07:06.15 | art3mis | they started to suck start of 2k |
| 07:06.24 | art3mis | i still love thinkpads though |
| 07:07.26 | Esamynn | art3mis: my current laptop is a toshiba, it has been good to me |
| 07:08.21 | art3mis | whats the other command to test is opengl is working right in ix? |
| 07:08.23 | art3mis | nix |
| 07:08.32 | art3mis | already did the glxgears -info |
| 07:08.41 | art3mis | a wopping 2k fps |
| 07:09.20 | Esamynn | lol |
| 07:09.33 | art3mis | heh in fullscreen its 51fps |
| 07:10.15 | Tem | so, I know there's a way to run a command from terminal in a seperate thread |
| 07:10.19 | Tem | but I can't remember what i is |
| 07:10.27 | Tem | s/t i/t it/ |
| 07:10.40 | Tem | iirc, it had something to do with ending with a . or a _ or something like that |
| 07:13.09 | art3mis | bahahahaha |
| 07:13.22 | art3mis | in my default session i cant get 3d to work |
| 07:13.30 | art3mis | in gnome failsafe wow plays fine |
| 07:14.47 | Tem | art3mis, can you enlighten men? |
| 07:14.50 | Tem | me* |
| 07:15.19 | Tem | (that was supposed to be 'meh' but I typo'd it so badly, I decided to go with the normal) |
| 07:15.31 | art3mis | for 3d in 7.10 you just nee to install the restircted drivers and the xgl server |
| 07:15.43 | art3mis | so compiz works all nice and happy |
| 07:16.09 | art3mis | howver is compiz is working (with this card xpress1100) that means 3d hardware isnt |
| 07:16.21 | Cairenn | (3:14:15 AM) Tem: <snip> can you enlighten men? <=== that would require a sex change operation :p |
| 07:16.25 | art3mis | so load in a gnome failsafe session and 3d hardware works but compiz doesnt |
| 07:16.39 | art3mis | thats not true ;P |
| 07:16.40 | MentalPower | Cairenn: low blow :P |
| 07:16.47 | art3mis | socrates enlightened men all the time ;P |
| 07:18.01 | Cairenn | I'm sorry, was that out loud? |
| 07:18.11 | MentalPower | :P |
| 07:18.18 | MentalPower | gnight all |
| 07:18.19 | Tem | Cairenn, I figured it was coming so I tried to explain it |
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| 07:19.22 | Cairenn | night MentalPower|ZzZz, sweet dreams |
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| 07:19.32 | MentalPower|ZzZz | night Cair |
| 07:23.11 | wereHamster | tem, ctrl+z will stop the current procces, then 'bg' to put it into background |
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| 07:24.16 | wereHamster | s/stop/pause/ |
| 07:26.48 | wereHamster | otherwise you can just put a '&' at the end of the commandline and the shell will start the process and not wait until it finishes |
| 07:27.27 | Thunder_Child | listen up |
| 07:27.29 | Thunder_Child | Visit Account Management to begin the paid character-name-change process. The fee is $10 per name change. As with our recent addition of voice chat to the game, this feature is being rolled out across all realms in several phases. The first-phase realms are listed in this forum post. Enjoy this new feature and the subsequent effect that your bold new name will have on friends and foes alike. |
| 07:27.37 | Thunder_Child | We’re happy to announce that through the wonders of modern gnomish engineering, you are now able to change your characters’ names. Finally, you can turn the moniker that seemed like a good idea at the time into something more befitting your true standing in World of Warcraft. |
| 07:27.41 | Thunder_Child | kinda backwards |
| 07:28.12 | Thunder_Child | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2512090701&postId=25734810929&sid=1#0 |
| 07:28.45 | cladhaire | interesting |
| 07:28.56 | art3mis | wonder if assclown is taking on my server |
| 07:29.03 | Thunder_Child | only you |
| 07:29.27 | art3mis | some names are funny |
| 07:29.31 | art3mis | others are just retarded |
| 07:29.43 | art3mis | sorry |
| 07:29.48 | art3mis | a majority are just retarded |
| 07:30.06 | Thunder_Child | "World event will happen with the launch of WotLK, no details yet." |
| 07:30.14 | art3mis | oooooooooooo |
| 07:30.20 | art3mis | <3's world eevents |
| 07:30.24 | Thunder_Child | "Blood and Unholy death knight runes aren't new spell damage type, Blood will probably be used for physical attacks while Unholy will be used for shadow attacks." |
| 07:30.40 | Thunder_Child | "CoT: Stratholme is the only CoT instance in WotLK for the moment and will be based on the Warcraft III level called "The Culling" where you fight alongside the Paladin Prince Arthas Menethil." |
| 07:31.10 | Thunder_Child | "Areas can now be flagged as Contested instead of whole zones, for example the area around Zul'aman will be flagged, and maybe the one around Scarlet Monastery too (This change will affect both PvE and PvP realms)." |
| 07:31.33 | wereHamster | whats CoT? |
| 07:31.37 | art3mis | caverns of time |
| 07:31.38 | Thunder_Child | caverns of time |
| 07:31.50 | cladhaire | ooh fun stuff |
| 07:32.08 | art3mis | ya know what would be awesome? |
| 07:32.11 | Thunder_Child | for pallys: "The season 3 retribution set has been changed. We're removing the Armor Penetration and Spell Damage that was being added to season 3, and moving those stat points into Strength. Those changes should be visible in an upcoming PTR build." |
| 07:32.20 | art3mis | if they retooled all the old instances to be level 70 5mans |
| 07:32.43 | art3mis | like you select heroic for SFK and poof it's now filled with level 65 mobs |
| 07:32.54 | Guillotine | WTB heroic VC |
| 07:33.00 | Thunder_Child | lol |
| 07:33.05 | art3mis | and that carries over for ALL instances of the old world |
| 07:33.19 | art3mis | scaled a bit of course |
| 07:33.23 | art3mis | starting at 60 |
| 07:33.29 | Thunder_Child | eh: "Ritual of Refreshment now requires 2 [Arcane Powder]" |
| 07:33.31 | art3mis | for like deadmins and rfc |
| 07:34.12 | Thunder_Child | " * The 4-piece bonus of Gladiator's set now reduces the cooldown of the Blink spell by 2 seconds instead of reducing the cast time of Polymorph by 0.15 second." |
| 07:34.13 | art3mis | and of course loot drops would be appropiate for the level |
| 07:34.28 | art3mis | it wouldnt require doing much cept minor changes to the mobs |
| 07:34.43 | Thunder_Child | for hunters "All ranged attacks now have a wonderful 1 yard minimum range." though why they even HAVe a min range is beyond me |
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| 07:34.57 | art3mis | ya know |
| 07:35.02 | art3mis | they should just correct that |
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| 07:35.14 | art3mis | if yer in melee range im gonna bet yer not gonna shoot nearly as fast ;P |
| 07:35.29 | Thunder_Child | it's a game |
| 07:35.32 | cladhaire | as long as they don't auto rotate like arcane missiles, mind flay |
| 07:35.33 | cladhaire | then i'm okay wth it |
| 07:35.38 | cladhaire | fucking hunter pussies. |
| 07:35.45 | art3mis | auto rotate? |
| 07:35.45 | Thunder_Child | you should get negitives for shooting in mele |
| 07:35.56 | cladhaire | Thunder_Child: agreed |
| 07:36.14 | cladhaire | art3mis: when i cast mind flay.. you can't run away from it.. my character rotates to find you, even if you run through me |
| 07:36.17 | art3mis | like the spam mf and it just casts and casts and casts? |
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| 07:36.23 | art3mis | oh that |
| 07:36.33 | art3mis | i <3 that |
| 07:36.33 | cladhaire | i need to be able to close range LoS hunters |
| 07:36.34 | cladhaire | or i'll snap |
| 07:37.01 | art3mis | as silly as it sounds guns up clsoe i can see |
| 07:37.05 | Thunder_Child | but they dont have casting times...really doesnt seem like a big deal |
| 07:37.06 | art3mis | a bow, not so much |
| 07:37.24 | Thunder_Child | unlike casters they can jump around |
| 07:37.41 | art3mis | yah |
| 07:37.42 | Thunder_Child | :jump up, jump down, jump around" |
| 07:37.48 | Thunder_Child | s/:/"/ |
| 07:37.52 | art3mis | i can see the range thing becoming a HUGE flame war when it goes live |
| 07:38.09 | art3mis | tc: did you coem to get down? |
| 07:38.19 | art3mis | come |
| 07:38.21 | Thunder_Child | ... |
| 07:38.23 | Thunder_Child | ~lart art3mis |
| 07:38.23 | purl | dumps 42 tons of dirt, manure, and fish heads on art3mis |
| 07:38.24 | art3mis | jump around |
| 07:38.29 | art3mis | jump jump jump |
| 07:38.44 | Thunder_Child | that was mean purl |
| 07:39.11 | art3mis | fish heads fiash heads rolly polly fish heads, fish heads fish heads, eat them up YUM |
| 07:39.22 | cladhaire | i just |
| 07:39.24 | cladhaire | as a priest |
| 07:39.29 | cladhaire | hunters are designed to beat us |
| 07:39.31 | cladhaire | and that makes me sad. |
| 07:39.46 | Thunder_Child | well not just us, but yea, they roll over priests |
| 07:39.48 | art3mis | cladhaire: yeah because they're our main source of vitamins ;P |
| 07:40.03 | cladhaire | Thunder_Child: what other class are they perfect against? |
| 07:40.20 | art3mis | i dont think ive died to a hunter in a LONG time as shadow |
| 07:40.24 | Thunder_Child | mages i think |
| 07:40.29 | art3mis | nah |
| 07:40.31 | cladhaire | Thunder_Child: blink |
| 07:40.36 | cladhaire | that's all i would need to roll hunters. |
| 07:40.37 | Thunder_Child | isnt enough |
| 07:40.40 | cladhaire | yeah it is :P |
| 07:40.40 | art3mis | if the hunter doesnt get off a crit the hunter is dead |
| 07:40.49 | art3mis | very little stands up to mage burst damage |
| 07:41.06 | cladhaire | i've been able to squeeze by with elune's grace |
| 07:41.06 | cladhaire | lol |
| 07:41.06 | Thunder_Child | priests do :) |
| 07:41.09 | cladhaire | worst spell ever |
| 07:41.11 | cladhaire | but actually helps |
| 07:41.16 | art3mis | thats because priests rock |
| 07:41.23 | Thunder_Child | i can go toe to toe with a good mage |
| 07:41.28 | Thunder_Child | but it's hard |
| 07:41.29 | art3mis | yup |
| 07:41.35 | Thunder_Child | and i usualy have to pop everything |
| 07:41.38 | cladhaire | i'm not saying priests are op |
| 07:41.39 | art3mis | mages and priests are more or elss the standard of awesome |
| 07:41.39 | cladhaire | :P |
| 07:41.40 | cladhaire | but |
| 07:41.44 | cladhaire | i hate hunters |
| 07:41.50 | cladhaire | my mage priest team has lots of fun |
| 07:41.54 | art3mis | everything wants to be like us |
| 07:42.07 | Thunder_Child | done well a lock can steamroll a priest as well |
| 07:42.13 | art3mis | heh there's a reason that we were the last to get the 1.xx class redeauxs |
| 07:42.26 | art3mis | and still rocked against all the "fixed" classes |
| 07:42.59 | Thunder_Child | and priests are the only class without a spell crit dmg multiplier |
| 07:43.11 | Thunder_Child | s/dmg// |
| 07:43.46 | art3mis | heh |
| 07:43.51 | art3mis | i miss my ve crits |
| 07:44.05 | art3mis | nothing screams OP thana 2k MB and a 1.k heal ;P |
| 07:46.04 | Tem | oh fucking woot |
| 07:46.09 | Tem | I can finally change my name |
| 07:46.15 | Tem | I despise my character's name |
| 07:46.25 | Esamynn | why do you get to change it? |
| 07:46.51 | cladhaire | i like your chars name |
| 07:48.09 | grephead | how are you able to change it? transfering to another server? |
| 07:48.17 | art3mis | scroll up |
| 07:48.26 | Tem | Visit Account Management to begin the paid character-name-change process. The fee is $10 per name change. As with our recent addition of voice chat to the game, this feature is being rolled out across all realms in several phases. The first-phase realms are listed in this forum post. Enjoy this new feature and the subsequent effect that your bold new name will have on friends and foes alike. |
| 07:48.26 | art3mis | welp off to bed! |
| 07:49.06 | Tem | my realm isn't one of them, but I look forward to when it is |
| 07:49.25 | art3mis | cladhaire: if you get bored download my winnie the pooh UI and make me a theme changer for it to set the layout of the bt3 bars and chat, change the art for the eepanels2, and place them in a new location, so i dont have to release with WTFs ;) |
| 07:49.37 | art3mis | you'd be my hero for the month of novemeber ;P |
| 07:50.07 | art3mis | a dynamic changer in game that is |
| 07:50.09 | cladhaire | uhh no |
| 07:50.15 | art3mis | booooooo |
| 07:50.50 | Thunder_Child | art3mis, you would spend les time making it than begging everyone that irc'd by |
| 07:50.53 | Thunder_Child | less* |
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| 10:25.34 | Tem | how do I uninstall something I installed using easy_install? |
| 10:26.26 | bleeter | Tem: you pinged me? |
| 10:27.12 | Tem | yeah, in pidgin, whenever I type in the chat box, the text shakes |
| 10:27.17 | Tem | what's up with that? |
| 10:28.04 | Tem | (ubuntu gusty) |
| 10:28.23 | bleeter | no idea, some crazy plugin you've got loaded maybe? ask in #pidgin, I'm not officially involved with them atm |
| 10:28.54 | Tem | oh I thought you were? |
| 10:29.17 | bleeter | used to be |
| 10:29.32 | Tem | ah |
| 10:29.56 | bleeter | got too many other distractions atm, and by the time I get to do my PhD, they'll be no further along the path with what I was interested in doing - so it'll give me a good thesis to do ;) |
| 10:30.10 | Tem | heh |
| 10:30.20 | Tem | any idea how to remove something installed using python-setuptools? |
| 10:30.22 | bleeter | I'm still semi-involved with the Guifications team though |
| 10:30.31 | bleeter | none at all |
| 10:31.11 | bleeter | all I can do wrt python-setuptools is sarcastically give another cheer for yet another installation system |
| 10:31.23 | Tem | their documentation doesn't mention anything about it |
| 10:31.40 | Tem | so I'm begining to think there isn't a way |
| 10:34.16 | bleeter | Evil Stuff(tm), no doubt |
| 10:35.39 | Industrial | I was going to say, I think all setup tools does is put it in the python dir :p |
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| 10:49.19 | Cide | hi. |
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| 11:56.38 | Wobin | hm |
| 11:56.45 | Wobin | I don't like 7.10's new clearfont |
| 11:57.25 | JoshBorke | i couldn't get 7.10 to boot on my computer |
| 11:57.28 | JoshBorke | the screen was just black |
| 11:57.50 | Wobin | were you using envy before? |
| 11:58.09 | Wobin | Cause I had that problem |
| 11:58.18 | Wobin | You have to uninstall the nvidia driver |
| 11:58.21 | Wobin | then restart |
| 11:58.31 | Wobin | or get the new envy maybe |
| 11:58.46 | JoshBorke | no, trying to boot teh live cd so i can install |
| 11:59.16 | Wobin | oh. what video card have you got? |
| 11:59.24 | JoshBorke | nvidia 8800 gts |
| 11:59.31 | JoshBorke | it'll boot to safe video mode |
| 11:59.44 | JoshBorke | it might have something to do with having 2 monitors with different resolutions |
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| 12:00.12 | Wobin | nope |
| 12:00.14 | Wobin | I have that |
| 12:00.25 | Wobin | and fairly much the same card too |
| 12:00.43 | Wobin | except mine is a gtx |
| 12:00.50 | JoshBorke | hm, interesting |
| 12:01.22 | Wobin | So you get the loading screen |
| 12:01.24 | Wobin | then nothing |
| 12:01.29 | JoshBorke | i get the choose boot |
| 12:01.36 | JoshBorke | then i see the kernel message at the bottom |
| 12:01.40 | JoshBorke | then it goes blank and stays blank |
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| 12:30.20 | cladhaire | anyone here have an addon hosted on wowui.incgamers.com? |
| 12:30.27 | cladhaire | I need some info if wouldn't mind :P |
| 12:31.36 | Kaso | Thats what used to be ui.worldofwar.net right? |
| 12:31.41 | cladhaire | yep |
| 12:31.48 | cladhaire | just need to know if they support the following, and if so how |
| 12:31.58 | cladhaire | file comments, issue tracker, group projects (multiple authors per addon) |
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| 12:32.37 | Kaso | I haven't used em for like a year, so im not really the bst person to ask sorry |
| 12:32.51 | cladhaire | ah well my addons all got removed |
| 12:32.53 | cladhaire | so i can't even check |
| 12:32.58 | cladhaire | just need someone who has a file hosted there now :P |
| 12:33.31 | Kaso | Ok ive got one or two still on there |
| 12:33.33 | Kaso | lemme see what i can see |
| 12:34.01 | cladhaire | <3 |
| 12:35.46 | Kaso | Ok for File comments, as far as i can tell you can only have one file per addon, so the addon comments would sorta double as file comments but not exactly |
| 12:36.26 | cladhaire | yeah that's what i meant |
| 12:37.36 | Kaso | Doesnt seem to be any way to report issues other than Addon Comments |
| 12:38.21 | Kaso | And as far as i can see you can only have one author per addon, however there is an option to allow you to transfer your addon to another author. |
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| 12:39.27 | Kaso | This is all from quick glances, i havent thorughly checked etc etc. |
| 12:40.55 | Lopeppeppy | Why my cat insists that she likes to eat grapes, I just can't fathom. |
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| 12:42.36 | cladhaire | Kaso: thanks, that's what I needed. |
| 12:43.39 | Kaso | np |
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| 13:20.14 | Cide | if you have a full mail inbox (in wow), and you clear out some mail.. it never loads new mail before you close the mailbox and reopen it, right? |
| 13:20.24 | foxlit | Mailbox syncs at odd times |
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| 13:20.37 | foxlit | Even if you don't have a full mailbox, there seems to be some sort of throttle |
| 13:20.46 | Cide | yeah |
| 13:20.50 | Cide | but it never happens while it's open? |
| 13:20.58 | foxlit | I don't think so |
| 13:21.01 | clad | Get slouken to revamp the mail interface like he did the auction interface :P |
| 13:21.09 | clad | s/slouken/slouken's minions/ |
| 13:21.18 | foxlit | There's a slight chance that it might do something if there's a new mail event |
| 13:21.29 | foxlit | But I'm not even sure if that's fired when you already have mail |
| 13:25.11 | Cide | going to assume it never changes! |
| 13:25.29 | Cide | yay for assuming things to simplify stuff |
| 13:25.42 | Lopeppeppy | Wow, how did I miss the paid name change announcement? |
| 13:27.52 | Cide | appears to work |
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| 13:36.56 | Wobin | any mods that autoqueue groups for AV? |
| 13:37.23 | dreamss | http://digg.com/space/Lunar_Mineral_to_light_up_the_Earth |
| 13:37.43 | dreamss | Wobin, i have only found 1 that done it |
| 13:37.44 | dreamss | lol |
| 13:37.57 | dreamss | bggladiator? |
| 13:38.40 | Fisker- | Wobin doesn't the script command still work? |
| 13:39.47 | Wobin | which one? |
| 13:39.52 | Fisker- | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:40.11 | dreamss | for group queue? |
| 13:40.23 | Cide | not for AV, no |
| 13:41.22 | Fisker- | well that command should work unless they fixed it |
| 13:41.22 | dreamss | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/details/5577/ |
| 13:42.09 | Cide | they did |
| 13:43.10 | dreamss | they did and adding it back -_- |
| 13:43.39 | Fisker- | BLASPHEMY |
| 13:47.42 | Wobin | apparantly SmartQueue works |
| 13:56.31 | Industrial | Wobin: wazzat |
| 13:56.54 | Cide | read mail has the same duration as unread mail now, right? |
| 13:58.59 | Wobin | omg. |
| 13:58.59 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lD8RV6nw480 |
| 13:59.11 | Wobin | It's like a big fat black woman in a tiny korean little girl's body |
| 14:00.12 | Wobin | oh she's filipino |
| 14:00.15 | Wobin | but still |
| 14:00.17 | Wobin | omg |
| 14:01.37 | Fisker- | i don't believe it |
| 14:01.45 | Fisker- | and i'll kill everyone who wants to prove me wrong |
| 14:08.23 | MoonWolf | to hell with the mail interface |
| 14:08.33 | MoonWolf | get slouken to write us a better vendor |
| 14:08.39 | Fisker- | TO MAIL WITH THE HELL INTERFACE |
| 14:08.47 | MoonWolf | browsing the larger pvp and rep vendors is a pain |
| 14:09.10 | MoonWolf | not to mention the naru badge vendor |
| 14:09.39 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 14:09.50 | Fisker- | need filtering |
| 14:10.32 | dreamss | why arent arena vendor tagged by season |
| 14:10.38 | dreamss | whatever douchbagname |
| 14:10.45 | dreamss | <season1 arena vendor> |
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| 14:13.44 | wereHamster | does anyone know a console 'pong' game? |
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| 14:23.36 | deltron | umm |
| 14:23.45 | deltron | I have pong for the 2600 |
| 14:23.49 | dreamss | pong on atari 2600 |
| 14:24.52 | dreamss | an emulator on modded xbox 1 |
| 14:24.59 | dreamss | maybe live arcade game on the 360 |
| 14:25.13 | dreamss | emulator on the other hacked consoles? |
| 14:25.51 | dreamss | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=com.microsoft%3Aen-us%3AIE-SearchBox&rlz=1I7ADBF&q=pong+remake+console |
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| 14:26.38 | Beladona | vendors should have a simplified auction-house ui |
| 14:26.43 | Beladona | that would rock |
| 14:26.54 | Beladona | with default to showing everything, but have filters |
| 14:27.49 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, |Jelly|. |
| 14:28.06 | |Jelly| | ~hug Lopeppeppy |
| 14:28.07 | purl | ACTION hugs Lopeppeppy tightly until Lopeppeppy turns slightly blue |
| 14:28.45 | |Jelly| | So tired. :( |
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| 14:29.53 | |Jelly| | How are you doing? :P |
| 14:30.32 | Lopeppeppy | Better than you, darlin', I'm all chipper and awake. |
| 14:30.54 | |Jelly| | Oh. Sure. Rub it in. :P |
| 14:31.47 | Lopeppeppy | I'll be quiet as a mouse under a cat's paw. |
| 14:31.59 | |Jelly| | No! hehe |
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| 14:33.05 | |Jelly| | Maybe you being alllol |
| 14:33.19 | |Jelly| | [happy and chipper will make me go get coffee] lol |
| 14:33.22 | |Jelly| | I win at typing. |
| 14:34.02 | Lopeppeppy | |Jelly|, go get coffee. I swear the world looks better from out of a coffee cup. |
| 14:34.11 | |Jelly| | hehe |
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| 14:34.40 | |Jelly| | So apparently I'm an idiot because I know damage meters are e-peen waiving sticks. |
| 14:35.11 | dreamss | lol |
| 14:36.06 | |Jelly| | He said it two or three times. *shrug* rofl |
| 14:36.26 | Maldivia | |Jelly|: did you expect otherwse? |
| 14:36.33 | |Jelly| | Nope. |
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| 14:36.48 | |Jelly| | Especially considering the forum-day I had yesterday? No, no I didn't. lol |
| 14:38.02 | Cide | >>> math.floor(-1 + 0.5) |
| 14:38.02 | Cide | Cide: -1 |
| 14:38.02 | Cide | >>> math.floor(-1.6 + 0.5) |
| 14:38.02 | Cide | Cide: -2 |
| 14:43.50 | Maldivia | Cide: testing if lua uses banker's rounding ? |
| 14:44.08 | Maldivia | nevermind, it was a floor :) |
| 14:44.37 | Cide | nah, just checking how it behaves with negatives |
| 14:44.42 | Maldivia | but still, shouldn't -1.5 floor to -2 |
| 14:45.09 | Maldivia | nevermind again, I can't read! |
| 14:45.17 | wereHamster | >>> math.floor(-1.5) |
| 14:45.18 | Cide | wereHamster: -2 |
| 14:45.50 | Maldivia | wereHamster: yeah, read it as -0.5 instead of +0.5 :) |
| 14:47.49 | zenzelezz | things to remember to check when applying to a guild, #1: is the guild on the same faction as you? |
| 14:48.00 | Lopeppeppy | Good point, zenzelezz. *grin* |
| 14:48.11 | Maldivia | zenzelezz:if not: reroll |
| 14:48.19 | zenzelezz | we had an orc hunter apply to our alliance guild today |
| 14:48.20 | Cide | or have the guild reroll |
| 14:48.25 | Cide | if you feel like you're important enough |
| 14:48.34 | zenzelezz | that's happened before actually, not to me, but to other guilds |
| 14:48.53 | the-golem | Cide: u are your own bot? |
| 14:49.02 | Cide | yes, half robot, half human |
| 14:49.07 | Cide | or all robot. who knows? |
| 14:49.08 | the-golem | oooooh |
| 14:49.13 | the-golem | im jealous :P |
| 14:49.22 | Lopeppeppy | Hmm... *ponders the applications* |
| 14:49.31 | Cide | no, Lopeppeppy. no. |
| 14:49.34 | Cide | can't do that |
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| 14:51.22 | the-golem | hmmm |
| 14:51.27 | the-golem | i need to find a good case |
| 14:51.45 | the-golem | one that nicely covers front fans but doesnt obstruct them |
| 14:51.53 | art3mis | Step right up and meet Cide, the World's only living Symbian(tm) ! |
| 14:52.30 | Lopeppeppy | Cide, my mind works too fast, by the time you gave the "permission denied" message, I had imagined 25 impossible things. Sorry, I'll do a brain scrub later so I don't remember. |
| 14:52.36 | the-golem | having an 80mm front fan doesnt do a world of good when the only access is 3 little holes on the bottom of the front panel with 1/4 inch of clearance |
| 14:52.52 | Cide | Lopeppeppy: good. |
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| 15:10.49 | Lopeppeppy | |Jelly|, did I say "thank you" for the Addons extension to the ForumToCPoster? You're a saint in disguise for that subsection.... |
| 15:11.11 | |Jelly| | lol. Thanks. |
| 15:11.38 | Intangir_ | you think they will hae a new pvp cape? |
| 15:11.48 | Intangir_ | cause the heroic badges can buy a pretty nice cape, clearly for pvp |
| 15:11.57 | Intangir_ | i mean a honor bought pvp cape |
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| 15:15.48 | wereHamster | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:15.55 | Josh_Borke | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:16.11 | Josh_Borke | wereHamster: i found a bug in cooldown where cooldowns are not removed if you zone into an arena |
| 15:17.07 | wereHamster | is it still there? |
| 15:17.21 | wereHamster | I thought someone fixet that |
| 15:19.40 | |Jelly| | Ok Peppy, I got my cup of coffee and as fate would have it, the sugar thing exploded as I poured so yeah... |
| 15:23.31 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, sweet Jeebus Crackers, |Jelly|. *big hugs* |
| 15:24.12 | |Jelly| | :) |
| 15:24.49 | cog|work | mmmmmm |
| 15:24.53 | cog|work | sweet Jeebus crackers |
| 15:25.05 | Josh_Borke | wereHamster: maybe, i dunno :-) |
| 15:25.06 | |Jelly| | Those are the best kind, imo. |
| 15:25.54 | wereHamster | Josh_Borke, which version are you using? |
| 15:27.44 | Josh_Borke | wereHamster: i downloaded from files.wowace.com maybe 3 days ago |
| 15:30.53 | cog|work | patents need to diaf |
| 15:31.05 | |Jelly| | So do dumb people. |
| 15:31.24 | cog|work | Send all patents and dumb people to san diego imo |
| 15:31.57 | wereHamster | why san diego? |
| 15:32.13 | cog|work | http://www.google.com/search?q=san+diego+fires&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a |
| 15:32.44 | cog|work | Southern CA has been on fire all week :( |
| 15:33.29 | wereHamster | oh, I didn't know san diego was in CA -.- |
| 15:34.48 | cog|work | CA's a big state :P |
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| 15:39.14 | mikma | Cairenn|afk: hahaha, http://www.riemurasia.net/jylppy/displayimage.php?pos=-24858 |
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| 15:42.11 | cog|work | rofl |
| 15:42.27 | cog|work | Reminds me of when my cat attacked my eyelid during REM |
| 15:42.37 | Josh_Borke | lol |
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| 15:46.15 | wereHamster | cog|work, did it wake you up? |
| 15:46.25 | cog|work | painfully, yes |
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| 15:49.38 | Shirik | ~wtf AFACIS |
| 15:50.10 | wereHamster | didn't you mean AFAICS? |
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| 15:51.43 | Shirik | that's not what the guy wrote :/ |
| 15:51.56 | Shirik | "AFACIS this patch takes care of the easy part, i.e. lets error be always thrown as exceptions, but does not take care of the hard part, i.e. make sure that all necessary cleanup is performed in the wake of an exception." (sic) |
| 15:52.12 | wereHamster | typo? |
| 15:52.26 | Shirik | maybe |
| 15:53.19 | Shirik | Cidan: ping |
| 15:53.47 | |Jelly| | Pong |
| 15:53.55 | |Jelly| | ...sorry, attention-whore moment. |
| 15:54.00 | Shirik | ~hug |Jelly| |
| 15:54.01 | purl | ACTION sneaks up on |Jelly| and suddenly hugs |Jelly| tightly |
| 15:54.25 | |Jelly| | Do you need alpha testers yet? /wink |
| 15:54.36 | Shirik | not much to test >< |
| 15:55.12 | |Jelly| | You're killing my inner child, Shirik. And I resurrected it just for you. :\ |
| 15:55.13 | Cide | it's all bug-free! |
| 15:55.22 | Shirik | The API is getting near completion but it's nothing really "usuable" unless you want to program on Conspiracy's platform |
| 15:55.47 | Cide | oh, don't lie. it's all working, it's just that it's so close to perfection it doesn't need testing |
| 15:55.51 | Cide | I KNOW YOUR SECRETS |
| 15:56.16 | |Jelly| | Wait. What? Cide knows all about your seekrit and you've left me out of the loop?!? |
| 15:56.31 | Shirik | Yes Cide |
| 15:56.34 | Shirik | it's a ... Conspiracy |
| 15:56.39 | Cide | ha, I knew it! |
| 15:56.47 | |Jelly| | Oh man. That's a knee slapper if I've ever seen one! |
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| 15:58.53 | alteisen | yo |
| 15:58.58 | Cide | why hello there |
| 15:59.03 | |Jelly| | word |
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| 15:59.22 | alteisen | excuse me, but could i ask a question on a particular mod? |
| 15:59.38 | Shirik | ~asktoask |
| 15:59.38 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 15:59.50 | alteisen | sweet, thanks |
| 16:00.08 | alteisen | i love using CML, it's simple, clean and stylish |
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| 16:00.15 | alteisen | but its inflexibility drives me nuts |
| 16:00.26 | alteisen | is there a similar addon that does the same, but can be moved around? |
| 16:00.55 | Fin | ~asktoaskstockreply |
| 16:01.06 | Shirik | ~lart Fin |
| 16:01.06 | purl | DoSes Fin |
| 16:01.17 | Shirik | sorry alteisen, what's CML? |
| 16:01.24 | |Jelly| | Who wants to see some old shit? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNqiSkd1M6k |
| 16:01.36 | |Jelly| | It's a win addon that adds a clock, memory and latency to your UI |
| 16:01.38 | alteisen | Clock/Memory/Latency |
| 16:01.44 | alteisen | yeah |
| 16:01.46 | Fin | people shouldn't bitch so much, the ask to askers are only being polite! |
| 16:01.54 | Cide | ~asktoask |
| 16:01.55 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 16:01.57 | Cide | @ Fin |
| 16:02.21 | Fin | people shouldn't bitch so much, the ask to askers are only being polite? |
| 16:02.27 | |Jelly| | OMG! The carebears have infected IRC too? |
| 16:02.32 | alteisen | hey |
| 16:02.34 | Cide | dunno. |
| 16:02.37 | alteisen | i'm a ret paladin :( |
| 16:02.38 | Fin | do we just repeat ourselves now? |
| 16:02.42 | Cide | dunno. |
| 16:02.44 | alteisen | i can't afford to be a carebear |
| 16:02.45 | Fin | do we just repeat ourselves now? |
| 16:02.48 | Cide | dunno. |
| 16:02.49 | alteisen | people want me extinct |
| 16:02.57 | Fin | it's only a matter of time |
| 16:03.06 | Cide | alteisen: well yes. raid leaders like players that bring stuff to the table |
| 16:03.16 | Shirik | alext: Is it some kind of performance addon? |
| 16:03.25 | Shirik | When I cared about that, I used FuBar with PerforuanceFu |
| 16:03.29 | Shirik | PerformanceFu* |
| 16:03.31 | |Jelly| | And by the way, CML can be moved around. |
| 16:03.32 | alteisen | cide: i'm viable, goddammit! ;_; |
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| 16:03.54 | alteisen | ...well, looks like jelly's right. |
| 16:03.58 | Cide | alteisen: I know introspection is hard for you. you'll get there eventually |
| 16:03.59 | Shirik | heh |
| 16:04.00 | alteisen | thanks, i'm blind |
| 16:04.23 | |Jelly| | Umm. I'm trying to remember. (I'm not in game) but it's all slash-based. I'll be the first to admit that it's kind of annoying. |
| 16:04.55 | alext | Shirik: wrong nick complete ;] |
| 16:04.55 | alteisen | Jelly |
| 16:04.58 | |Jelly| | BUT, you can move it. :) |
| 16:05.03 | alteisen | It is slash based, but there's a waterfall configuration for it |
| 16:05.11 | alteisen | I just found it :x |
| 16:05.12 | |Jelly| | orly? Sign me up then. |
| 16:05.17 | Shirik | alext: Yeah I'm bad like that |
| 16:05.18 | |Jelly| | is it /cml waterfall ? |
| 16:05.19 | Shirik | DAMN IT |
| 16:05.22 | Shirik | alteisen |
| 16:05.22 | alext | all good |
| 16:05.32 | Shirik | sorry alext >< |
| 16:05.47 | alteisen | Shirik: oh yeah, but a man needs his style |
| 16:06.21 | alteisen | Jelly: Umm it's not in CML itself, it's more like...I click on fubar, that makes a waterfall config for fubar, then I select my ace addons to be configured from the top of that generic waterfall configuration. |
| 16:06.35 | alteisen | Sorry for the nubspeak, I ragequitted 3 months ago and uninstalled WoW. |
| 16:06.38 | alteisen | Just came back yesterday. |
| 16:06.45 | |Jelly| | Ahh. The Rock Configuration window. |
| 16:07.00 | alteisen | oic |
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| 16:07.21 | |Jelly| | Is it sad that I'm honestly already thinking up a new UI even though I just released mine like two days ago? :\ |
| 16:07.30 | Cide | yes |
| 16:07.31 | Shirik | nope |
| 16:07.36 | Shirik | you've just turned into cncfanatics |
| 16:07.41 | Lopeppeppy | Nope. Have fun, |Jelly| |
| 16:07.55 | |Jelly| | Ok. As long as Peppy thinks it's ok, I'm fine with it. |
| 16:08.34 | alteisen | While I'm here, do you guys know a good addon for minimizing the default UI bagbar and ...multiusebar? |
| 16:08.44 | alteisen | I have no clue what to call it, it has the call gm for help/report people button |
| 16:08.59 | |Jelly| | Fu_MicroMenu |
| 16:09.08 | alteisen | Pro. Thanks. |
| 16:09.11 | snurre | http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=174502 hahahaha |
| 16:09.20 | |Jelly| | Then, honestly I would just get a barmod and hide the bags all together while using the keybinding "b" to open your bags. |
| 16:09.26 | lolinternet | yes |
| 16:09.33 | Cidan | mmm |
| 16:09.36 | Cidan | That was... annoying |
| 16:09.44 | lolinternet | i don't have the bags and the micromenu shown |
| 16:09.52 | lolinternet | i know all the keybindings from head anyway |
| 16:09.52 | lolinternet | 8D |
| 16:09.56 | Shirik | hi Cidan |
| 16:09.56 | Cidan | This is why Linux isn't ready for mainstream, I just spent an hour trying to fix gnome. |
| 16:10.05 | Kalroth | Cidan: Noobcake! |
| 16:10.06 | Shirik | sorry I disappeared randomly last night, you got my txt? |
| 16:10.20 | Cide | snurre: hahaha? |
| 16:10.23 | Kaso | Cidan why did it break? |
| 16:10.25 | Cide | it's more or less true, imo |
| 16:10.41 | Cidan | Shirik: no |
| 16:10.49 | Shirik | oh |
| 16:10.54 | alteisen | Jelly: :| |
| 16:10.54 | Cidan | and it was some stupid shit with .ICEAuthority in home dir |
| 16:10.57 | Shirik | well Brighthouse decided it's been too long since internet went down |
| 16:11.00 | snurre | hell no.. online integration is what next-gen is truly about, something the wii has no alternative for |
| 16:11.05 | |Jelly| | alteisen: ? |
| 16:11.09 | Shirik | so they cut my internet for a few hours |
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| 16:11.21 | Cide | snurre: you're stating that as a fact, when in fact, it's 100% your opinion |
| 16:11.24 | Cidan | lol |
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| 16:11.48 | Tierrie | I'm going to go with Cidan's 100% opinion on this opinion |
| 16:12.38 | snurre | what is next-gen about the wii? the only thing it has, that no old consoles have, is an alternative controller scheme. that really doesn't make anything "next-gen" |
| 16:12.39 | Cide | yeah, Cidan's 100% opinion is quite interesting |
| 16:12.50 | Cidan | wiat what? |
| 16:12.56 | Cidan | aslkdjsadkj?1 |
| 16:13.00 | Cidan | I did what now? |
| 16:13.03 | Cide | just playing along with Tierrie's mistab |
| 16:13.31 | Cide | snurre: "an alternative controller scheme" in itself doesn't sound very revolutionary or creative |
| 16:13.34 | Tierrie | i didn't mistab |
| 16:13.37 | alteisen | Jelly: I meant the bagbar thing |
| 16:13.41 | Tierrie | oh |
| 16:13.41 | Tierrie | i did |
| 16:13.47 | Tierrie | fuck me with abroom :( |
| 16:13.53 | Shirik | it's ok |
| 16:13.55 | Shirik | Cide's used to it by now |
| 16:14.04 | Shirik | I already told Cide to change name to Cidan |
| 16:14.10 | Lopeppeppy | alteisen, there may be a bag plugin for FuBar. I too just go with Shift-B and keep mine hidden. |
| 16:14.17 | |Jelly| | *shrug* You asked and I told you. :P |
| 16:14.21 | Tierrie | He can be Cidan 1 |
| 16:14.26 | Tierrie | and Cidan can be Cidan Prime |
| 16:14.31 | Cide | but the new possibilities it leads to have a lot more to offer than anything that the 360 and ps3 have |
| 16:14.34 | Shirik | or the fighting mongooses |
| 16:14.36 | Shirik | that's a good name |
| 16:14.59 | Cidan | lol? |
| 16:15.04 | Lopeppeppy | You can do it, alteisen -- it took me a few days, but you can get used to it. Or just put the bagbar out of the way with your barmod, and set it to appear only on Mouseover, if you must keep them around. |
| 16:15.05 | Shirik | (as the futurama reference goes right over everyone's head) |
| 16:15.09 | Cide | online integration is old news - see the PC |
| 16:15.14 | snurre | Cide: you know that the sixaxis can pretty much do anything the wiimote can, AND it's more accurate? :p |
| 16:15.28 | Cide | have you tested it? |
| 16:15.33 | snurre | yes |
| 16:15.36 | Cide | both? |
| 16:15.42 | snurre | i have both a wii and a ps3 |
| 16:15.46 | Cide | good |
| 16:15.56 | krka | how do you know how accurate the wii remote is? |
| 16:15.57 | Cide | but that's largely irrelevant |
| 16:16.09 | |Jelly| | I have both a PS2 AND an Xbox! Don't be jealous! |
| 16:16.11 | Cidan | What is this I smell? |
| 16:16.15 | Cidan | a PS3 fan boy? |
| 16:16.16 | krka | it's possible and probably that the developers haven't used the accuracy to the fullest yet |
| 16:16.19 | Cide | given that the support exists for the wii |
| 16:16.38 | Cidan | snurre: What's the issue you're bringing up now? |
| 16:16.44 | krka | it's easier to implement stable movement detection for large movements |
| 16:16.50 | snurre | will wright called the wii the only next-gen system |
| 16:17.02 | Cidan | ah |
| 16:17.08 | Cide | but meh, console discussions are boring. you're entitled your opinion. my opinion is in line with wright's |
| 16:17.14 | deltron | <3 wii |
| 16:17.17 | Cidan | I think anyone that calls ANYTHING the "only" _blank_ is an idiot. |
| 16:17.24 | Shirik | anyone here use IMAP with Outlook? |
| 16:17.28 | Cidan | Shirik: yep |
| 16:17.31 | Cidan | wait |
| 16:17.31 | Cidan | no |
| 16:17.32 | Cidan | :P |
| 16:17.33 | Cide | Cidan: a bit extreme, don't you think? :) |
| 16:17.35 | Shirik | ..> |
| 16:17.46 | Fin | anyone tried Gmail's IMAP support yet? |
| 16:17.53 | mikma | nope |
| 16:17.54 | Fin | Shirik: I used to |
| 16:17.57 | snurre | which is just a retarded statement. I can easily agree that it's very innovative and has a completely different target group than the other two options, but when it comes to the normal idea of "next-gen systems", it's not even competing with them |
| 16:17.58 | Cidan | Cide: What? Calling something the only option? Yes. Them being an idiot? No. |
| 16:17.59 | |Jelly| | I'm the /only/ Jelly on Burning Legion! Muahahahaha. |
| 16:18.01 | Cidan | Fin: Yes |
| 16:18.01 | deltron | I want gmail IMAP import :( |
| 16:18.07 | Fin | Cidan: any good? |
| 16:18.15 | Cidan | Fin: Perfect. It's a dream. |
| 16:18.17 | Shirik | deltron: If it makes you feel any better, this has nothing to do with gmail :) |
| 16:18.20 | Fin | woo |
| 16:18.23 | Cide | Cidan: I can think of lots of examples where "only" makes a lot of sense |
| 16:18.29 | deltron | hehe |
| 16:18.31 | Shirik | Fin: I have a rule I set up to automatically move a set of mail to a different folder |
| 16:18.41 | Shirik | however this leaves a "deleted" copy in the original folder |
| 16:18.44 | Fin | oh yeesh, Outlook's filters are just so bad |
| 16:18.46 | Fin | yeah |
| 16:18.46 | Shirik | know how I can not do that? |
| 16:18.49 | Fin | that's not move |
| 16:18.56 | Fin | there's another action you can use |
| 16:19.03 | Fin | "move" is actually "copy" in outlook, it's retarded |
| 16:19.09 | Fin | I had the same problem |
| 16:19.12 | Shirik | cause it's spamming my box to hell :P |
| 16:19.12 | Cidan | snurre: See, but now you're going outside the scope of the argument, you're stating that the Wii isn't the only option (Good, Wright is short-sighted) but then argue that the Wii can't compete, etc |
| 16:19.32 | Cidan | snurre: The key to a good argument, try not to show TOO much bias, and stick to the point at hand. |
| 16:19.37 | Fin | but keep looking, there's another action like, er, "move and delete from original folder" or "transfer entirely" or something |
| 16:19.48 | snurre | it's not able to compete in the areas that generally define the current "next-gen console" debate, no |
| 16:20.00 | Cide | I wub nintendo. wii rocks my pants. therefore, wii is the only next gen console |
| 16:20.03 | Cidan | Great, but that's not the point and you're off topic. |
| 16:20.13 | Shirik | I see "move a copy to specified folder" :/ |
| 16:20.17 | Shirik | that's the only one really :( |
| 16:20.25 | Fin | there's definitely another one |
| 16:20.26 | Cidan | The point is, other systems can have a go-at as well. |
| 16:20.27 | Cide | get thunderbird? :P |
| 16:20.35 | Shirik | Cide: I can't |
| 16:20.37 | Fin | are you using the wizard? I think that doesn't show the option by default |
| 16:20.41 | Shirik | School forces me to use outlook |
| 16:20.51 | Shirik | Fin: no manual rule |
| 16:20.51 | Cide | Shirik: your school's dumbshits |
| 16:20.52 | Fin | Shirik: I went through exactly the same process when I started using it |
| 16:21.11 | Fin | I don't have a local copy installed though, hang on |
| 16:21.29 | Fin | oh, yes I do, ugh |
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| 16:22.07 | snurre | Cidan: I'm very much on topic. the wii is pretty much the best entry-level console, and arguably the most social. That doesn't make it next-gen, let alone the ONLY next-gen, though |
| 16:22.28 | Shirik | Fin: Outlook 2007, but I think I just figured it out |
| 16:22.37 | Shirik | move a copy and then permanently delete is what I chose |
| 16:22.49 | Cidan | Sitting there and bringing down the merits of one system just to counter someone's argument praising it puts you on the same level of the original argument |
| 16:22.56 | Cidan | That's what I'm trying to get at. |
| 16:23.21 | Cidan | Bah, whatever, I give up. |
| 16:23.41 | snurre | he didnt praise it, he completely dismissed the general conception of the term "next-gen" |
| 16:23.46 | Cidan | Trying to teach someone how to argue a point on the internet is like asking ckknight to l2code |
| 16:23.49 | Cidan | Impossible |
| 16:23.53 | Fin | Shirik: yeah, that's the one - or are you saying you added two actions? |
| 16:23.57 | Shirik | two actions |
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| 16:24.35 | Shirik | Cidan: gmail! >< |
| 16:24.36 | Shirik | er |
| 16:24.37 | Shirik | gtalk |
| 16:24.43 | Cidan | er |
| 16:24.44 | Cidan | okay |
| 16:24.45 | |Jelly| | Aside from Quartz and eCB, is there any good casting bars of mention? |
| 16:24.55 | Shirik | Quartz ftw |
| 16:25.12 | snurre | Cidan: wtf are you talking about anyway? I havent brung down any of the Wii's merits, it's great for it's intended use. This whole discussion wasn't about console1 vs console2, it was the fact that Will Wright is a retard and obviously the sole reason for why Spore has been postponed for roughly a decade now |
| 16:25.38 | Shirik | eh, just drop it already |
| 16:25.52 | Lopeppeppy | |Jelly|, I just use my IceHud and I'm happy. |
| 16:26.13 | |Jelly| | That's a hud. Not a casting bar. :P (I'm adding a casting bar section to the ToCPoster thing) |
| 16:27.34 | Fin | Shirik: maybe that's what I ended up doing, sorry for the confusion - been a while since I used Outlook (I swear there was another solution though, maybe it's the drugs talking) |
| 16:27.42 | Fin | Outlook's filters are horrible, though |
| 16:27.43 | Shirik | np man :) |
| 16:28.09 | Fin | the first thing I wanted to do was be able to filter mails that were in the format Event <number> occurred |
| 16:28.27 | Fin | without having to filter on all mails starting with "Event" |
| 16:28.42 | Fin | but you can't (actually you can but it's so convoluted Outlook can't handle it properly) |
| 16:31.45 | Cidan | l2install linux, use evolution. If you feel like fixing stupid little bugs though |
| 16:31.51 | Cidan | also, never start a WM as root, ugh. |
| 16:32.18 | Fin | there is no decent IMAP client that I have ever come across |
| 16:32.20 | Fin | not one |
| 16:32.28 | deltron | Fin: thunderbird? mutt? |
| 16:33.08 | Fin | Thunderbird is... arg. why am I still using a client with the same featureset as I had when I was using Eudora in 1995? |
| 16:33.29 | Cidan | Evolution is nice. |
| 16:33.38 | Fin | mutt is fine, but I want inline graphics and HTML support and decent attachment handling and stuff |
| 16:33.55 | Shirik | I remember Eudora |
| 16:34.13 | Fin | it seriously had better filtering than Outlook or Thunderbird does |
| 16:34.30 | Fin | but hey, I shouldn't bitch too much, Thunderbird is awesome for free |
| 16:35.07 | MentalPower|Food | and Qualcomm is porting the Eudora features to Thunderbird |
| 16:35.11 | MentalPower|Food | Project Penelope |
| 16:35.30 | MentalPower | There will be no further development on Eudora proper |
| 16:38.15 | Lopeppeppy | |Jelly|, I can really only think of Quartz and ecastingbar then., unless you make the section be HUD's/Casting Bars and smush them all together, 'cause 2 entries isn't a lot! |
| 16:38.47 | |Jelly| | It's already uploaded! SO THERE! :P |
| 16:39.15 | Lopeppeppy | *sniff* If I download new copies, I lose the one with the links that I added. So is scrod, one way or another. |
| 16:39.39 | mikma | OH SNAP! http://www.kuvaton.com/kuvei/snap.jpg |
| 16:39.50 | |Jelly| | You could email me your copy and I'll add yours in there. :P |
| 16:40.28 | Lopeppeppy | I didn't do much, I just shoved MacroTalk and AfterCast into the Chat section. I'm not all that adventuresome in programming, even the easy stuff. |
| 16:40.44 | Fin | |Jelly|: castingbar++ is OK |
| 16:43.30 | |Jelly| | k peppy. added those and uploading again. (I hope Cairenn doesn't hate me. lol) |
| 16:44.00 | Lopeppeppy | Loves for you for the work, and for Cairenn for approvals! |
| 16:45.05 | |Jelly| | :) |
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| 16:49.27 | Shirik | this is pathetic http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/outlook/HA011894211033.aspx |
| 16:49.40 | Shirik | The entire email is "we're smarter than you, trust us, we know what we're doing" |
| 16:49.47 | Shirik | no, you aren't. Give me my damn email. |
| 16:52.02 | Shirik | I find that amusing, they would go as far to say "We've received your feedback, you want this feature, but we aren't going to give it to you because you don't know how to use it safely" |
| 16:53.30 | wereHamster | "we aren't going to give it to you because you don't know how to use it safely" very much is what windows users deserve.. IMHO |
| 16:53.46 | Cide | wait what? |
| 16:53.56 | Cide | is using windows a crime now? |
| 16:54.22 | snurre | its not a crime, it just automatically makes you a lesser being than a *nix user |
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| 16:55.08 | Shirik | give me a way to connect to an exchange server on unix and I'll totally agree |
| 16:55.24 | foxlit | Well. |
| 16:55.28 | foxlit | Leopard is unix. |
| 16:55.36 | Shirik | however I find it absolutely hilarious that my dean can send me a file, and it's blocked by outlook as "potentially unsafe" even though it came from internal and has a digital signature from the school |
| 16:55.36 | mikma | leotard |
| 16:55.49 | foxlit | MS ships office for OSX. |
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| 16:56.48 | foxlit | And I assume some part of that can connect to exchange :) |
| 16:57.05 | Shirik | woot, UPS just delivered a box to me |
| 16:57.08 | Cidan | uh |
| 16:57.17 | Shirik | and it wasn't blocked as "potentially unsafe" even though I have no idea what's inside |
| 16:57.20 | Shirik | is it a bomb o.o |
| 16:57.25 | wereHamster | Cide, of course not.. but what exactly do you expect from MS? Windows isn't made for power users, it's made for the average dude who is absolutely stupid |
| 16:57.53 | Cide | and how do we, the "power users" if you will, deserve this? |
| 16:57.54 | snurre | i ignore all the "you windows users" talk from *nix people just as easily as i ignore religious people telling me that im going to burn in hell :p |
| 16:58.08 | Cidan | skulls |
| 16:58.12 | Cidan | http://www.sulug.sun.ac.za/sulugwiki/HOW-TO/Evolution_Exchange |
| 16:58.31 | Cidan | Any number of programs can use exchange |
| 16:58.41 | Cidan | it's not like it's a big secret or something |
| 16:58.49 | Shirik | ooh pretty |
| 16:58.59 | Shirik | I may have to try this out |
| 16:59.16 | Shirik | ok |
| 16:59.17 | Cidan | I <3 Evolution my self |
| 16:59.22 | Shirik | remember that potentially unsafe package I just got? |
| 16:59.24 | Cidan | yes |
| 16:59.25 | wereHamster | Shirik, you haven't heard of evolution before? |
| 16:59.34 | Shirik | yeah, it just exploded, no joke |
| 16:59.39 | Cidan | lolwut? |
| 16:59.52 | Shirik | one of things inside was a bag of popcorn |
| 16:59.54 | Shirik | I tried to open it |
| 16:59.55 | Shirik | it exploded |
| 17:00.05 | Cidan | hah? |
| 17:00.05 | zenzelezz | death by popcorn |
| 17:00.12 | Cidan | bah! fuck |
| 17:00.12 | Shirik | omg all over the floor >< |
| 17:00.13 | Shirik | gah |
| 17:00.18 | Cidan | I have to do laundry, sigh, bbl |
| 17:00.29 | Shirik | have fun |
| 17:00.54 | Shirik | wereHamster: no, I don't use linux nearly enough |
| 17:01.08 | Shirik | I use it only for VxWorks programming and that's it tbh |
| 17:01.18 | wereHamster | Cide, I wouldn't expect a power user to use outlook.. |
| 17:01.49 | Cide | then you should s/windows users/outlook users/ |
| 17:01.50 | Kaso | iTunes : "You have authorised 4 out of a maximum of 5 comptuers for this song" Me: "I've only ever played it on this PC :<" |
| 17:02.05 | Cide | and while I don't, plenty of power users do |
| 17:02.09 | Shirik | Kaso: I'm at 5/5, only one PC |
| 17:02.12 | Cide | (use outlook) |
| 17:02.38 | Kaso | why does it forget like that :< |
| 17:02.49 | Shirik | because I reformat my drive periodically |
| 17:02.49 | foxlit | Remember: revoke iTunes authorizations before changing system configuration substatially |
| 17:03.32 | Kaso | the only thing ive done to this PC is add/remove additional drives, does that count as changing system configs |
| 17:03.54 | foxlit | No idea. |
| 17:03.55 | Shirik | Ha! |
| 17:04.02 | Shirik | LUA = "Generally Pretty Useful" |
| 17:04.17 | Shirik | upside down "Gamma Pi Upsilon" |
| 17:04.21 | wereHamster | again, IMHO, if you use windows, you acknowledge that MS can decide and do with you computer whatever they want whenever they want, which is what I, as a power user, don't want |
| 17:04.41 | foxlit | I take your "power user" and mock it! |
| 17:04.42 | Cide | Shirik: that's pretty bad |
| 17:04.45 | Shirik | wereHamster: I would totally agree with you if it weren't for the fact that I need to be able to program for the win32/win64 platform |
| 17:04.51 | Shirik | Cide: I didn't come up with it, but I like it |
| 17:05.22 | foxlit | I've moved iTunes library from computer to computer, but I'm not sure for how long I've had DRM'ed songs in there |
| 17:06.52 | Kaso | im glad that theres drm free stuff on itunes nowadays |
| 17:08.37 | Cidan | Shirik: if the only thing holding you back is coding for W32/64 |
| 17:08.40 | Cidan | Use a VM |
| 17:08.47 | Shirik | bleh |
| 17:08.50 | Shirik | I'd prefer to have it right there |
| 17:09.05 | Shirik | I don't have any real "reason" to use linux atm |
| 17:09.06 | Cidan | How is using a VM not "right there" |
| 17:09.08 | Cidan | ah |
| 17:09.10 | Cidan | well then, :D |
| 17:09.20 | Shirik | aside from fricking outlook |
| 17:09.30 | Shirik | but I can just go to http://mail.db.erau.edu if I need to |
| 17:10.44 | Cidan | well, I don't "need" to use Linux anymore than I "need" to use Windows at this point |
| 17:10.59 | Cidan | So I figure, why not go for the free and open one without the DRM and so on? |
| 17:11.08 | Shirik | I figure I'll switch at some point |
| 17:11.10 | Shirik | just right now is not the time |
| 17:11.15 | Shirik | I use linux periodically |
| 17:11.20 | Shirik | on my laptop, for example |
| 17:11.44 | Shirik | and for vxworks just because Crosswind for Windows is pure crap |
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| 17:14.14 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 17:14.22 | Shirik | hi protofrag! Do you have a question for us?! |
| 17:14.38 | Shirik | =) |
| 17:14.43 | Cidan | OH SHI |
| 17:14.45 | Cidan | protofrag: HI! |
| 17:14.50 | protofrag | haha, nah im not on the desktop that i do this stuff at |
| 17:14.51 | Cidan | protofrag: HOW CAN WE HELP?! |
| 17:14.55 | protofrag | well.... |
| 17:14.56 | Shirik | oh =( |
| 17:14.58 | Cidan | oh... |
| 17:15.04 | protofrag | i was jsut having trouble gettin my frames to appear |
| 17:15.04 | Cidan | okay everyone, back to work |
| 17:15.15 | Shirik | ok so you did them in XML |
| 17:15.19 | protofrag | yeah |
| 17:15.21 | Cidan | Well |
| 17:15.23 | Cidan | there's the problem |
| 17:15.24 | Cidan | :D |
| 17:15.25 | Shirik | honestly you said this |
| 17:15.31 | Shirik | 14(1311:0911:2514) 14(1115protofrag14) and then just get stuck with the XML part |
| 17:15.31 | Shirik | 14(1311:0911:4714) 14(1115protofrag14) cuz i think Lua isnt too difficult of a language to use but the XML part of WoW is boggin me down |
| 17:15.35 | Shirik | You don't have to use XML tbh |
| 17:15.47 | Shirik | Cidan and I don't |
| 17:15.49 | foxlit | Does your XML parse? |
| 17:15.52 | protofrag | really? xml appears to be a superpowerd html to me |
| 17:15.56 | zenzelezz | Shirik: and look where it got you |
| 17:15.58 | protofrag | what else cna you use? |
| 17:16.01 | Shirik | Lua |
| 17:16.02 | Cidan | Yep, we have an entire UI powered just by Lua |
| 17:16.12 | Shirik | #api CreateFrame |
| 17:16.14 | protofrag | OHHH, and then just print out the stuff in LUA? |
| 17:16.16 | foxlit | Which. is. not. released. |
| 17:16.18 | Cidan | no |
| 17:16.19 | Shirik | !api CreateFrame |
| 17:16.21 | Cidan | not quite |
| 17:16.23 | Shirik | bleh |
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| 17:16.28 | Cidan | here actually |
| 17:16.33 | Cidan | I wrote this just for people like you |
| 17:16.34 | Shirik | anyway, there's a function CreateFrame which you can use |
| 17:16.34 | foxlit | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_CreateFrame |
| 17:16.39 | Cidan | http://www.conspiracy-ui.com/lua |
| 17:16.45 | Cidan | click on the conspiracy link |
| 17:16.50 | Cidan | it's a quick 1-2-3 tutorial I wrote |
| 17:16.55 | Cidan | on how to use frames in lua |
| 17:17.04 | protofrag | alright ill take a look at that, ive been studying faraframes and then looked at the wowwiki guide |
| 17:17.07 | foxlit | Cidan: wth, "o comment a line (like C++, VB, etc) you type" is still there. Fix! |
| 17:17.21 | Cidan | it's not a typo! |
| 17:17.30 | protofrag | alright well i wont bother you guys for now as ill take a look at those two websites |
| 17:17.31 | Cidan | I was using it as an example, as in, comments |
| 17:17.34 | foxlit | You're right, it's a complete brain failure :) |
| 17:17.38 | Cidan | I hope you die. |
| 17:17.43 | protofrag | i dont wanna die! |
| 17:17.45 | Cidan | Not you |
| 17:17.48 | Cidan | foxlit: |
| 17:17.51 | protofrag | lol |
| 17:17.52 | Shirik | protofrag: Feel free to ask any questions :) |
| 17:17.52 | Cidan | er, foxlit, :P |
| 17:18.08 | Cidan | But yes, ask any questions, we're here to zzhZHDHHDJHSJHDJDSH EAT BRAINS |
| 17:18.12 | Cidan | er |
| 17:18.14 | Cidan | help. |
| 17:18.25 | foxlit | "to comment a line comment (like (PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE), (PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE)) |
| 17:18.29 | foxlit | Makes no sense. :) |
| 17:18.54 | foxlit | either example of comment syntax in those languages, or that parenthesis has no reason to live! |
| 17:18.56 | Shirik | ~lart foxlit |
| 17:18.56 | purl | turns foxlit into a lifesized tux doll |
| 17:19.19 | foxlit | Why does that one seem so relatively mild? |
| 17:20.01 | Cidan | there |
| 17:20.02 | Cidan | fixed |
| 17:20.03 | Cidan | refresh |
| 17:20.26 | protofrag | alright guys im out btu wheni get back ill have some SERIOUS questions on how to get this to show up! |
| 17:20.27 | protofrag | later |
| 17:20.33 | Shirik | take care :) |
| 17:20.39 | foxlit | Okay, now explain why you're so intent on bringing up C++ and VB in that sentence |
| 17:20.49 | Cidan | I hate you so very much |
| 17:20.54 | Cidan | look at the block comments |
| 17:20.56 | Cidan | below that. |
| 17:21.28 | foxlit | But C++ has nothing to do with anything. Neither does VB. Why those two? Where did Python go? Is Tkl even a language? Can I have the answer in lolcode? |
| 17:21.31 | Fin | Cidan: just out of interest, but did you not include a link to http://www.wowwiki.com/API_CreateFrame deliberately in your lua thingy? |
| 17:21.43 | Fin | you want to make people go find it themselves or summat? |
| 17:22.30 | Shirik | ~lart foxlit |
| 17:22.30 | purl | steals foxlit's mojo |
| 17:22.32 | Shirik | C++ is awesome |
| 17:22.35 | Cidan | Fin: yes. |
| 17:22.55 | foxlit | Cidan: are lua-created frames ever recycled? |
| 17:23.06 | Cidan | yessir |
| 17:23.10 | Shirik | if the person creating the frames recycles them :) |
| 17:23.12 | foxlit | I was under the impression that they never die anyway. |
| 17:23.13 | Fin | fair enough, but that's sort of weird in a tutorial that seems aimed at the complete beginner |
| 17:23.18 | Shirik | they aren't GC'ed, no |
| 17:23.19 | Cidan | well no, not by GC |
| 17:23.20 | foxlit | Userobjects don't deallocate |
| 17:23.26 | Shirik | but there's no problem reusing them |
| 17:23.27 | Cidan | but you can pool them |
| 17:23.29 | Cidan | and reuse them |
| 17:23.41 | Cidan | Fin: That's the point. |
| 17:23.46 | Fin | it's like, trying to be really helpful, but deliberately not being really helpful, from one point of view :) |
| 17:23.53 | Fin | Cidan: that it's weird? |
| 17:24.06 | Shirik | Fin: He gave http://wowwiki;.com/API |
| 17:24.14 | Shirik | which apparently I can't type without a semicolon now because a damn piece of popcorn |
| 17:24.15 | Cidan | Fin: Well there is a difference between giving someone a fish, and showing someone how to fish. |
| 17:24.39 | Cidan | I can give someone all the answers, but then they will come back and ask for more |
| 17:24.47 | Cidan | Or I can show them how to get the answers, and use their brain. |
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| 17:25.00 | Cidan | And if they really aren't able to do that, perhaps they should consider doing something else with their time. |
| 17:25.02 | Fin | oh I totally understand what you're trying to do, it's just, weird, in such a low level tutorial type thing |
| 17:25.40 | Cidan | I can see where you're coming from though |
| 17:25.53 | foxlit | " will be referencing the following two links often in this tutorial" |
| 17:25.57 | foxlit | Just once, exactly :) |
| 17:26.07 | Fin | personally I might get a bit frustrated if I was reading that and trying to figure out where you were referring to - you're obviously referring to somewhere without mentioning it with the intention of teaching the reader to find it themselves - but if I just want to start learning about stuff, that would be a bit frustrating for me |
| 17:26.26 | Fin | it's not a criticism really, just a bit of feedback |
| 17:26.53 | Cidan | Hmm |
| 17:27.07 | Cidan | Well what would you suggest I do? |
| 17:27.15 | Fin | if people were smart enough to do all that stuff anyway, they probably wouldn't need your nicely written tutorial |
| 17:27.29 | Cidan | I disagree with you on that. |
| 17:27.41 | Fin | personally? I'd include direct references to the relevant URLs on WoWWiki |
| 17:27.45 | Shirik | we need a conspiracy-specific tutorial >.> |
| 17:28.25 | Fin | also, the thing is that the people who *are* smart enough to figure it out - say me, I'd hope - would just not have a direct link to the relevant reference from the tutorial they're reading |
| 17:28.30 | Fin | whu |
| 17:28.33 | Cidan | In my mind, making someone seach for "CreateFrame" makes them realize there are a lot of other functions out there |
| 17:28.35 | Fin | dunno how I did that |
| 17:28.41 | Shirik | how to hook in, create conspiracy frames, signals, events, how to send messages |
| 17:28.49 | Cidan | Shirik: yeeepp... |
| 17:29.13 | Fin | sure, but does that help teach them about creating frames in lua specifically? |
| 17:29.30 | Fin | I should shut up |
| 17:29.36 | Fin | I don't really care, I'm just responding to your responses |
| 17:29.40 | Cidan | Indeed, I tell them what they need to do, I don't leave them hanging and I tell them where to find the resource |
| 17:29.44 | Cidan | oh I don't mind |
| 17:29.44 | Fin | I sound like this is a major issue for me |
| 17:29.46 | Cidan | I'm not like, offended |
| 17:30.00 | Cidan | or angry or whatever, lol |
| 17:30.15 | Fin | I just don't want to come across as being an angry reader who Disagrees! :P |
| 17:30.26 | Cidan | You bring up some good points, I'm going to edit some of the comments to make it clear what my intent is. |
| 17:30.32 | Fin | cool beans |
| 17:31.05 | Fin | btw, overall it's an awesome doc, I'd suggest putting most of it onto WoWWiki if you can be bothered |
| 17:31.35 | Fin | I can say that I personally would've appreciated what you wrote about SetBackDrop being there :) |
| 17:32.06 | Fin | (also, I should add a note about insets and EditBoxes) |
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| 17:36.04 | Cidan | well I plan to expand the entire thing at some point |
| 17:36.20 | Cidan | events, scripts, metatables, etc |
| 17:36.32 | Fin | awesome |
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| 17:37.21 | Fin | docs are the biggest thing that's lacking about addon development I think (not that I'm doing much to help with that) |
| 17:37.24 | Cidan | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:37.30 | Cidan | rofl? |
| 17:37.43 | Fin | poor lady |
| 17:38.03 | Fin | it's not her fault she was born with less chromosomes than the rest of us |
| 17:38.10 | Lopeppeppy | Wonder if there's a small town down there with that name.... |
| 17:38.13 | Fin | </unfair> |
| 17:40.03 | Cidan | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:41.43 | kergoth | hahah |
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| 17:45.45 | Cidan | does anyone remember The Journyman Project? |
| 17:46.22 | Kirkburn | Lol, one of the articles on WoWWiki said: ""the horse, found in abundance in the region, although not wild, could fill this niece"" |
| 17:46.41 | Kirkburn | >_< |
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| 17:47.50 | cog|work | Fin: I completely agree with you re: docs |
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| 17:48.06 | cog|work | I think it's extra-pronounced with ace addons 'cause they expect the ace wiki to fill the role |
| 17:48.20 | cog|work | (which it doesn't by any stretch) |
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| 17:50.15 | Cidan | QQ, still no imap for my gmail |
| 17:50.51 | Fin | docs are always a problem, hardly anyone likes writing them, especially when stuff keeps changing and the docs need to be updated in all these fiddly little areas but are mostly correct |
| 17:52.46 | Cidan | huh |
| 17:52.48 | Cidan | that's funny |
| 17:52.51 | Cidan | I love writing them |
| 17:52.53 | Cidan | I just have no time |
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| 17:54.10 | Fin | I like writing them well, but I have this horrible genetic mutative disease virus that prevents me from doing so very often... it's awful |
| 17:54.23 | Fin | it's nice when I get the strength to do it, though |
| 17:55.42 | Cidan | man, Gimp is getting better and better... |
| 17:56.10 | Lopeppeppy | I've been meaning to download a newer version for my work laptop. They won't give me Photoshop *grump* so I need something. |
| 17:56.15 | Cidan | http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2007/10/23/gimp-24-preview/ |
| 17:56.21 | Cidan | It's lookin' slick. |
| 17:57.29 | cog|work | Lopeppeppy: if you're using Windows and don't need a buttload of features, you might want to check out paint.net |
| 17:57.49 | Thunder_Child | http://www.10news.com/2007/1025/14425255.jpg |
| 17:57.54 | kergoth | yeah paint.net is nice for simple stuff, nice interface to it |
| 17:59.24 | cncfanatics | anyone knows why the damn heck GetNumShapeshiftForms(); is 0 for shadowpriests ? |
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| 17:59.32 | cncfanatics | the priest that did it does have shadowform yes |
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| 18:00.36 | Thunder_Child | harsh http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/corporate-greed/att-victimizes-california-couple-whose-house-just-burned-down-315582.php |
| 18:01.44 | cladhaire | cncfanatics: because shapeshifts are only the aura bars, imo |
| 18:02.10 | cncfanatics | cladhaire, what u mean ? |
| 18:02.30 | cladhaire | i think only warrior stances, and druid forms are shapeshifts |
| 18:02.32 | cladhaire | perhaps rogue stealth |
| 18:02.37 | cncfanatics | rogue stealth is |
| 18:02.41 | cladhaire | there's no bar of that level for shadowform |
| 18:02.44 | cncfanatics | but does that mean u can't do remap on shadowform ? |
| 18:02.44 | Thunder_Child | http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/sound-system/guy-installs-17000%20watt-sound-system-in-car-to-be-classified-as-weapon-of-mass-destruction-315522.php?autoplay=true |
| 18:02.49 | cladhaire | there always has been for stealth |
| 18:02.53 | cladhaire | you can remap, but that has nothing to do with that api function |
| 18:03.10 | cncfanatics | how would I go to detect if a priest has shadowform or not ? |
| 18:03.39 | cladhaire | check if they have the talent, or the spell |
| 18:03.40 | cladhaire | simply |
| 18:03.47 | cncfanatics | thats a pain, my current code is fully generalized :( |
| 18:03.59 | cncfanatics | and is it a stance for the statedriver ? I guess so |
| 18:04.03 | Maldivia | druid Prowl ? :) |
| 18:04.19 | Fin | yeah, that's what I was thinking, clad |
| 18:04.19 | cncfanatics | I do support that independantly, don't rly want to add more :) |
| 18:04.31 | Fin | shadow priests don't get proper stance bars, either |
| 18:04.38 | cladhaire | yes they do |
| 18:04.42 | Fin | I don't |
| 18:04.51 | cladhaire | you get a different bar depending on shadow/holy form |
| 18:04.58 | cladhaire | have for quite a number of patches now. |
| 18:05.01 | cladhaire | since 2.0 imo |
| 18:05.03 | cncfanatics | ok, so they're seen as a stance for some API's, but not for others |
| 18:05.07 | cncfanatics | ain't that a bit silly ? |
| 18:05.08 | cladhaire | well |
| 18:05.11 | cladhaire | shapeshift ~= stance |
| 18:05.12 | Fin | I've never seen it |
| 18:05.14 | cladhaire | stance ~= shapeshift |
| 18:05.17 | cladhaire | Fin: its there, i promise. |
| 18:05.22 | Fin | cladhaire: I believe you :) |
| 18:05.28 | Cidan | psh |
| 18:05.32 | Cidan | Silly lua brit |
| 18:05.41 | Fin | brit? where?! |
| 18:05.41 | Cidan | stance != shapeshift |
| 18:05.44 | cncfanatics | any way to write code to detect shadowform for all different locales ? |
| 18:05.51 | cncfanatics | I'd guess I could use the talent id |
| 18:05.56 | Cidan | Didn't you know? cladhaire is a brit now, ;P |
| 18:05.59 | Fin | cncfanatics: we done testing now? can I start playing again? :) |
| 18:06.11 | cncfanatics | Fin, ya, might need ya again later though :p |
| 18:06.13 | Fin | oh, right! what ho, jolly good, cracking |
| 18:06.18 | Cidan | rofl |
| 18:06.19 | Cidan | hahaha |
| 18:08.18 | Fin | what is this? a fourth season of the office? egads! |
| 18:08.38 | zenzelezz | there was a third? |
| 18:08.44 | Fin | US version, yep |
| 18:08.52 | Fin | the US version was surprisingly good |
| 18:08.53 | zenzelezz | oh, you're talking about the wrgon one |
| 18:09.08 | zenzelezz | the irony in misspelling "wrong" |
| 18:09.28 | Fin | honestly, I was convinced that there was no chance in hell they'd be able to do it well, but it's actually fucking great |
| 18:09.39 | Fin | very funny indeed, top marks, good show. haw! |
| 18:09.46 | Cidan | I see no irony. |
| 18:09.59 | Fin | I can diagram this for you later |
| 18:10.00 | Thunder_Child | http://usb.brando.com.hk/prod_detail.php?prod_id=00368 |
| 18:10.47 | Fin | neat |
| 18:11.19 | foxlit | slow! |
| 18:11.51 | cncfanatics | cladhaire, there's no API to get a list of all stance names I supose ? (a) |
| 18:12.12 | cladhaire | if they're shapeshifts, then yes |
| 18:12.15 | cladhaire | i dont think so for stances |
| 18:12.23 | cladhaire | but i'm not sure, the wiki should know. |
| 18:12.41 | cncfanatics | there doesn't seem to be |
| 18:12.58 | cncfanatics | GetNumShapeshiftForms(); should be renamed GetNumStances(); and work for everything that can be remapped on imo :p |
| 18:13.28 | cladhaire | *shrug* |
| 18:18.23 | Cidan | haha |
| 18:18.30 | Cidan | http://www.bash.org/?650276 |
| 18:20.16 | Kaso | hehe |
| 18:20.24 | Kaso | that is pretty damn nerdy |
| 18:20.35 | Shirik | heh |
| 18:20.39 | Cidan | it really is |
| 18:20.40 | Shirik | that's pretty good |
| 18:20.41 | Cidan | <# it |
| 18:20.44 | Cidan | er, <3 it |
| 18:20.51 | Cidan | at first I was like, wth... |
| 18:20.51 | Shirik | I'll show that to some of the people in my class |
| 18:20.54 | Cidan | then I was like, oh! |
| 18:20.54 | Kaso | you angular bracket hash it! |
| 18:20.55 | Shirik | my guess is only 1 person gets it |
| 18:22.06 | Lopeppeppy | I'm not nerdy enough, sorry! |
| 18:23.14 | Cidan | 0x12 is hex for "18" |
| 18:23.27 | cncfanatics | I don't get it -.- |
| 18:23.43 | deltron | learn2hex |
| 18:23.55 | Josh_Borke | so the others are math and the last is hex? |
| 18:23.56 | Josh_Borke | that's dumb |
| 18:24.20 | Cidan | psh, you're just not nerds |
| 18:24.29 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: You don't need to be any nerdier... you have bewbs |
| 18:24.57 | foxlit | brrr, last portal advanced level |
| 18:25.14 | cog|work | the problem is that they're using an x in lieu of the multiplication symbol |
| 18:25.29 | cog|work | (which is not an x) |
| 18:26.24 | Kaso | 0×18 0x18 |
| 18:26.45 | cog|work | sorta reminds me of http://xkcd.com/169/ |
| 18:27.44 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, then I'm all set Lunessa, thanks! :P |
| 18:27.51 | Josh_Borke | yea, i still don't understand that one |
| 18:27.51 | Lunessa | :P |
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| 18:30.29 | alteisen | yo guys, this is a non-ui related question, but does anyone know the cost/badges required for the S1 gear available through honor next patch? |
| 18:30.48 | Saint-N | 7 |
| 18:30.59 | alteisen | ...7? |
| 18:31.05 | deltron | mmo-champion.com |
| 18:31.12 | alteisen | thanks |
| 18:31.13 | Saint-N | you asked a number releated quesiton so my answer is 7 |
| 18:31.18 | Kaso | #wowwiki or #wowhead might have more luck with your question. |
| 18:31.24 | cog|work | Saint-N: × 6 |
| 18:31.41 | Saint-N | well realy it was 7.13251345334556234123423468878566346568546575 but it rounded to 7 |
| 18:32.12 | Saint-N | swomeone solve evil^0.5 for me |
| 18:32.22 | Saint-N | then we'll know what the square root of all evil is |
| 18:32.44 | Lopeppeppy | Redheads and money, of course. |
| 18:33.15 | Saint-N | thats my order of preference too |
| 18:33.47 | alteisen | found it on mmo-champion |
| 18:33.50 | alteisen | thanks guys |
| 18:34.35 | Lopeppeppy | I have a redhead, but unless a debit card counts, the money part I don't keep on hand, so evil doesn't have as much chance to breed. |
| 18:34.57 | foxlit | grr |
| 18:35.01 | foxlit | Portal camera bugs me |
| 18:35.49 | Saint-N | Lopeppeppy: that depends if the redhead "you have" is a reference to yer hubby/bf cuz if it does i bet breeding stands a much better chance than you're giving credit for |
| 18:35.54 | foxlit | The last inertial jump segment of level 18 - you lose control of where you're looking at for about 1s on the later jumps, and that's more or less the margin you have to place the next portal |
| 18:36.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | you can kinda plan your jump by popping in and out over and over |
| 18:36.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | and angling the view properly for when you pop out |
| 18:36.35 | foxlit | Now, see, you could do that in the ordinary level 18 |
| 18:36.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | i didn't have to in advanced 18 :p |
| 18:36.57 | foxlit | advanced 18 retracts the portals you came out of |
| 18:37.04 | foxlit | So you have to place the next portal before you fall |
| 18:37.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | i was good enough by then |
| 18:37.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | to not need to |
| 18:37.41 | foxlit | Haha, now it bugged and I'm stuck below a platform |
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| 18:41.58 | foxlit | Or I could cheat by placing both portals on jump, which gets rid of the camera combat |
| 18:42.18 | Lopeppeppy | Saint-N, the only redhead I possess is myownself. |
| 18:44.59 | foxlit | Trivialized the whole affair :( |
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| 18:51.08 | Kaso | i enjoyed advanced 18, once i worked the two bits that took some thinking it was a nice level of challengingness |
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| 18:54.12 | Thunder_Child | i wish they had more advaced and less challenge maps |
| 18:55.24 | Cide | less challenge maps doesn't really make sense |
| 18:55.48 | Cide | they're just the normal maps with added limitations (i.e. like 3 lines of code + testing) |
| 18:55.58 | Cide | but more advanced maps would definitely be welcome, I agree |
| 18:59.55 | Saint-N | si it as fun as that online laser bouncing game? |
| 19:00.21 | Saint-N | where you've got a laser and a bunch of different mirros and obstacles |
| 19:00.27 | Saint-N | and you gotta hit the target |
| 19:00.29 | cog|work | omg... they made a tv show spinoff of the geico cavemen... :| |
| 19:00.42 | Lopeppeppy | Yup. |
| 19:00.49 | Lopeppeppy | Lowbrow entertainment at it's lowest. |
| 19:00.57 | Saint-N | and its gonna last as long as viva laughlin did |
| 19:00.59 | cog|work | ~rimshot |
| 19:00.59 | purl | ba-dum CHH |
| 19:01.11 | Saint-N | 1 show before .au cancelled it and 2 shows for the us |
| 19:01.18 | foxlit | Kaso: seems I was annoyed by something that wasn't actually intended |
| 19:01.49 | foxlit | I was trying to reuse the intial portal to fall through, but results in gravity being inversed and camera spinning to adjust |
| 19:02.00 | foxlit | s/inti/initi/ |
| 19:02.59 | foxlit | Updating the portal you fall through does not have the camera issue, so you can easily place the next one without major problems. Pity about the uncontrollable camera spin otherwise, though. |
| 19:03.58 | Kaso | there is some cvar you can use to disable auto-air-righting, however you then end up doing hand-stand when you land |
| 19:12.09 | Cidan | The only MP3's left to sort are retag are my Final Fantasy MP3s! |
| 19:12.11 | Cidan | YAY! |
| 19:12.16 | Cidan | ...that's about 2000 or so. |
| 19:12.23 | Shirik | lol |
| 19:12.33 | cncfanatics | 2k FF mp3's ? where ? |
| 19:12.52 | Cidan | On my hard drive, I have every single OST, game, concert, piano, you name it |
| 19:12.53 | Fin | that is not the mp3 collection of a sane human |
| 19:13.01 | Cidan | for every single FF game ever |
| 19:13.18 | Cidan | from 1 for Nintendo to XII |
| 19:13.31 | Cidan | Including non-game and anime related ones |
| 19:13.57 | Shirik | one day his HDD will fail |
| 19:14.05 | Shirik | then he'll qq about something like 500GB of lost music |
| 19:14.07 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Lin (n=igor@unaffiliated/lincity) |
| 19:14.15 | Shirik | and I'll be like "noob you didn't back up" |
| 19:14.22 | Shirik | and he'll be like "I thought it would never happen to me!" |
| 19:14.39 | Cidan | wrong |
| 19:14.42 | Cidan | I back up all my data |
| 19:14.44 | Cidan | kthx |
| 19:14.48 | Shirik | proof |
| 19:14.57 | Shirik | let me connect to your backup server |
| 19:15.03 | Cidan | haha no? |
| 19:15.14 | Shirik | I need root access so I can see everything |
| 19:15.17 | Shirik | make sure it's there |
| 19:15.22 | Cidan | rm -rf / |
| 19:15.56 | Mike-N-Go_ | Cidan: ... |
| 19:16.36 | Fin | / should be immutable anyway |
| 19:16.51 | Shirik | that's what the -r is for |
| 19:17.16 | Fin | really? golly! I had no idea that -r meant recursive, none at all |
| 19:17.28 | Shirik | stupid statement, stupid response :P |
| 19:17.38 | Cide | gfodgnreingerin |
| 19:17.44 | Shirik | eh |
| 19:17.48 | Shirik | sorry Cide I can't get that stupid >< |
| 19:17.49 | Fin | I saw a ginger in there trying to get out |
| 19:17.56 | Cide | boo. |
| 19:18.02 | Cide | oh well, at least you tried, Shirik. |
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| 19:18.07 | Cide | you embraced your inner canadian |
| 19:18.12 | Shirik | lol |
| 19:18.16 | Shirik | don't let Cairenn|afk hear that |
| 19:18.37 | Cide | thanks for pinging her! |
| 19:18.37 | Mike-N-Go_ | 'rm -rf' means "delete everything you can, and don't ask conformation" |
| 19:18.40 | Shirik | np |
| 19:18.58 | Shirik | btw |
| 19:19.13 | Intangir | nice.. |
| 19:19.19 | Shirik | it's vital to realize that there is a difference between "rm -rf /srv/www" and "rm -rf / srv/www" |
| 19:19.26 | Shirik | bad experiences in the past :( |
| 19:19.37 | Intangir | sudo rm -rf / |
| 19:20.01 | Cide | sudo make me a sandwich |
| 19:20.05 | Intangir | hehe |
| 19:20.16 | Intangir | "make me a sandwich" "fuck no!" |
| 19:20.21 | Intangir | "sudo make me a sandwich" "ok" |
| 19:20.32 | Saint-N | sudo -ku train ride |
| 19:20.42 | Cidan | rm -rf will delete anything and everything if you're root |
| 19:20.54 | Shirik | hmm |
| 19:20.59 | Shirik | purl has a mini-man page in her |
| 19:21.07 | Shirik | wtf sudo |
| 19:21.14 | Shirik | purl, wtf sudo |
| 19:21.18 | Saint-N | sudo apt -remove libstdc++ wont remove everything but it fill make yer machine unusable |
| 19:21.38 | Saint-N | found that on accident a few months ago ;P |
| 19:21.42 | Shirik | lul |
| 19:22.20 | Saint-N | laugh up loud? |
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| 19:22.28 | Shirik | yes |
| 19:22.37 | Fin | I submit for your edification: http://fin.pastey.net/75839 |
| 19:22.37 | Lunessa | lojban. lawl |
| 19:23.07 | Fin | although it will still fuck up stuff, I realise |
| 19:23.11 | Shirik|Shower | huh |
| 19:23.12 | Cidan | apt-get remove --force --purge sysvinit sysv-rc |
| 19:23.13 | Shirik|Shower | that's interesting |
| 19:23.17 | Shirik|Shower | anyway, afk |
| 19:24.16 | Kaso | [28] /bin/rm -rf / |
| 19:24.16 | Kaso | rm of / is not allowed |
| 19:24.24 | Kaso | Solaris > linux :) |
| 19:24.55 | Saint-N | for you its rm -rf /usr;rm -rf /bin;rm -rf /boot |
| 19:25.09 | foxlit | rm -fr /bin/ |
| 19:25.34 | Shirik|Shower | eh |
| 19:25.36 | Shirik|Shower | cygwin hates me |
| 19:25.46 | Saint-N | it's just being trendy |
| 19:25.50 | Shirik|Shower | $ su root |
| 19:25.50 | Shirik|Shower | Password: |
| 19:25.50 | Shirik|Shower | 16190 [main] su 1356 C:\cygwin\bin\su.exe: *** fatal error - CreateFileMapping cygwin1S4.S-1- -21-337454699-2399489559-1215718943-500.1, Win32 error 1346. Terminating. |
| 19:25.50 | Shirik|Shower | Hangup |
| 19:26.00 | Cidan | you shouldn't su |
| 19:26.06 | Cidan | ;P |
| 19:26.25 | Shirik|Shower | sudo doesn't exist in Cygwin, and yes I renamed my administrator account "root" on my windows box, don't kill me |
| 19:26.39 | Shirik|Shower | anyway, /bin/shower |
| 19:26.52 | Fin | linux? harumph! |
| 19:27.23 | Fin | su should work actually, cygwin's mapping against SIDs are pretty cool |
| 19:28.03 | Saint-N | su vacation;look;find;talk;grep;touch;finger;find;flex;unzip;mount;workbone;fsck;yes;gasp;fsck;yes;eject;umount;make clean;zip;split;done;exit |
| 19:28.16 | foxlit | Some of those challenges are evil |
| 19:28.20 | foxlit | Like 14 in two portals |
| 19:28.21 | foxlit | two! |
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| 19:28.38 | Kaso | i think i completed that one |
| 19:28.48 | Cide | two is easy on 14 |
| 19:28.51 | Cide | like really simple |
| 19:29.00 | Saint-N | that one whos parents said that they were gonna press charges |
| 19:29.20 | foxlit | You, er, need 2 to get the cube |
| 19:29.33 | Cide | yes. conclusion? :P |
| 19:29.48 | foxlit | You can't use any portals to transport the orb halfway across the level. |
| 19:30.03 | Kaso | ooh 14!! |
| 19:30.05 | Cide | I was going for "don't get the cube" |
| 19:30.12 | Kaso | you need to listen to the commentary foxlit |
| 19:30.22 | Kaso | they give you the anwser |
| 19:30.38 | foxlit | But then why bother? :) |
| 19:30.47 | Kaso | true |
| 19:31.41 | Saint-N | man i really need to make a list of all my accounts and passwords for all my clients |
| 19:32.59 | Saint-N | sweet! |
| 19:33.03 | Saint-N | Zu alpha is live |
| 19:33.10 | Saint-N | let's see how craptastic this is |
| 19:33.16 | deltron | wuzzat? |
| 19:33.22 | Saint-N | zu.igg.com |
| 19:34.55 | Cidan | use KeePass |
| 19:35.00 | Cidan | :D |
| 19:35.11 | Saint-N | keepass? |
| 19:35.25 | Cidan | password storage program |
| 19:35.41 | Saint-N | free? |
| 19:35.58 | Saint-N | or "free in a mannner of speaking" |
| 19:36.02 | Saint-N | either is fine ;) |
| 19:36.14 | Cidan | free free |
| 19:36.19 | Cidan | open source and free |
| 19:36.23 | Thunder_Child | good stuff |
| 19:36.31 | Thunder_Child | "Try it you'll like it |
| 19:36.32 | Thunder_Child | " |
| 19:37.01 | Shirik | this ad is awesome: http://m1.2mdn.net/1251057/us_104_200604_21_tomcat3_728x90v2_6_.gif |
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| 19:37.55 | Saint-N | does it do syncing between portable/pocketpc/desktop ? |
| 19:38.41 | Thunder_Child | Saint-N, http://keepass.info/ read |
| 19:39.10 | Saint-N | Even quantum computers won't help that much. The algorithms are symmetric so its complexity would be reduced a bit, anyway, the sun will go nova before you have decrypted the database. |
| 19:39.22 | Saint-N | i am reading but its easier for you to type yes or no |
| 19:39.37 | Thunder_Child | i say read bacuse i dont know |
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| 19:39.41 | Thunder_Child | because* |
| 19:40.00 | Thunder_Child | "Ports for other systems like Linux, MacOSX, PocketPC, Smartphone, etc. are available!" |
| 19:40.26 | Thunder_Child | Saint-N, there ya go |
| 19:40.59 | Saint-N | yeah that p[art i knew |
| 19:41.07 | Saint-N | it's the "sync" part that im curious aboot |
| 19:41.18 | Saint-N | doesntlook like it does it on it's own though |
| 19:41.55 | Thunder_Child | just transfer the database on the current platfor you are using |
| 19:42.02 | Thunder_Child | platform, it's one file |
| 19:42.13 | Thunder_Child | s/,/*/ |
| 19:42.36 | Saint-N | yeah but if on any single paltofrm of say 3 that im using, ill need to replicate and copy it each time any one of the 3 changes |
| 19:42.47 | Saint-N | its 1 file per location ;P |
| 19:43.00 | Thunder_Child | you can use the same file |
| 19:43.26 | Saint-N | you're missing the point |
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| 19:43.37 | Saint-N | lets say i have it on my desktop and i copy that file to my usb key |
| 19:43.41 | Saint-N | and my phone |
| 19:43.49 | Saint-N | then i go out and change/make a new entry |
| 19:43.53 | Saint-N | on the phone |
| 19:44.03 | Saint-N | i'd then need tyo export and import to desktop and pda |
| 19:44.09 | Saint-N | or desktop and usb |
| 19:44.13 | Saint-N | so that they're all the same |
| 19:44.17 | Saint-N | see? |
| 19:44.29 | Thunder_Child | gratz on missing my point |
| 19:44.34 | Thunder_Child | ~gratz Saint-N |
| 19:44.40 | Thunder_Child | ...bah |
| 19:45.00 | Saint-N | it still requires manually doing it |
| 19:45.02 | Thunder_Child | though my point was assuming you only used one thing at a time to alter passwords |
| 19:45.23 | Saint-N | well yes but i'd still need then active and up to date on each device |
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| 19:45.34 | Saint-N | so that regardless of what i remember to bring it would be up to date |
| 19:45.56 | Thunder_Child | you can make your on sync plugin |
| 19:46.15 | Thunder_Child | http://keepass.info/plugins.html#testplugin |
| 19:46.22 | foxlit | So basically they tied most aperture-level solutions to commentary? |
| 19:46.53 | Thunder_Child | Saint-N, or http://keepass.info/help/v2_dev/scr_index.html |
| 19:47.03 | Cide | strange... |
| 19:47.30 | Cide | anyone happen to know why the hit rect for a checkbutton is much larger than its size? |
| 19:48.35 | Intangir | wereHamster: btw |
| 19:48.41 | Intangir | yukon works on ubuntu wine now |
| 19:49.08 | cladhaire | okay.. i need a list of mistakes that are commonly made in addons. |
| 19:49.18 | wereHamster | Intangir, cool :) |
| 19:49.36 | Intangir | i made some movies |
| 19:49.36 | cladhaire | its going in the book, and you're my inspiration/source. |
| 19:49.38 | cladhaire | ready go ! |
| 19:49.43 | Intangir | of me owning alliance in their towns hehe |
| 19:50.25 | Intangir | wereHamster: heres what i would like to do with it though, i press F8 or whatever, makes a movie.. i turn it off.. turn it back on later, it uses a different file name |
| 19:50.31 | Intangir | instead of the same one, overwriting the old one. |
| 19:50.51 | Cide | cladhaire: what type of mistakes? forget to initialize your variables as locals, causing variables like self, this, i, arg1 etc to be set to something else |
| 19:50.56 | wereHamster | Intangir, OUTPUT = file:///tmp/ |
| 19:51.04 | cladhaire | Cide: yep, that sort of thing |
| 19:51.07 | Intangir | what will the file name(s) be? |
| 19:51.34 | Cide | I frequently mess up by adding files to my .toc and then not restarting wow |
| 19:51.39 | wereHamster | it will generate a name based in the exe name and data/time stamp |
| 19:51.41 | cladhaire | Cide: keep em coming :P |
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| 19:51.48 | Intangir | wereHamster: sweet, perfect |
| 19:52.02 | Intangir | good work man, lovin it ;) |
| 19:52.16 | Cide | hooking secure functions without hooksecurefunc? |
| 19:52.33 | Cide | or tainting the shit out of the blizzard ui |
| 19:52.55 | cladhaire | you're good at that imo |
| 19:53.08 | Cide | I call it talent |
| 19:53.33 | Cide | "Hmm, this variable looks cool... /script UIParent = UIParent" |
| 19:56.50 | cncfanatics | don't think I ever tainted the blizz UI, yet |
| 19:58.04 | Neebler | zesty! |
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| 20:07.04 | Saint-N | sata 150/300 is like the old ata66 ata100 in that it uses the same cable and is backwards compatible right? |
| 20:10.26 | Kaso | its backwards compatible and can use the same cable at the moment, even though sata 150 cable isnt fully rated at 300, but like no drives can reach 300 so it doesnt really matter |
| 20:10.37 | Kaso | but there are cables which are specifically rated for 300 |
| 20:11.16 | Saint-N | k just wanted to make sure it was the same connector |
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| 20:21.15 | Tem | fucking WOOT |
| 20:21.25 | Cairenn|afk | ? |
| 20:21.27 | cladhaire | ? |
| 20:21.31 | Tem | I've hacked my way to making jinja and turbogears play nice |
| 20:21.36 | cladhaire | lol nice |
| 20:22.03 | Tem | turbogears wasn't passing along the right info and jinja wasn't doing it completely right either |
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| 20:30.09 | Shirik | omg |
| 20:30.21 | Shirik | someone said I was young on vent, and someone else responds "no he's not, he's like 33!" |
| 20:30.28 | cladhaire | HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA |
| 20:30.39 | Shirik | I'm 20 -_- |
| 20:30.48 | deltron | lol |
| 20:30.59 | zenzelezz | sure you are |
| 20:31.07 | zenzelezz | 0x20 more like |
| 20:31.15 | Saint-N | http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2007-10-25-aliens-predator_N.htm |
| 20:31.18 | deltron | hah recap of nerd bash |
| 20:33.18 | |Jelly| | OMG! Where's the setting in PitBull to make your frames fade away (no background at all) I. Can't. Find. It. :( |
| 20:36.08 | Saint-N | http://www.iconnectdots.com/ctd/2007/10/will-leopard-be.html |
| 20:36.26 | Saint-N | hah thats just amusing rading the comments |
| 20:36.46 | Saint-N | everyone talking about how macs dont have spyware virii etc |
| 20:36.55 | Saint-N | not realizing its bec ause the majority doesnt use mac ;) |
| 20:37.13 | Saint-N | as soon as the majority is on a mac machine it will be innundated |
| 20:37.38 | Saint-N | and there will be a scamble because 90% of macs new users are even more clueless about its udnerlying system than they were in winders |
| 20:40.23 | cladhaire | I agree with you, but I disagree with you. |
| 20:41.22 | cladhaire | The lack of spyware and virii isn't entirely because of the market share, but it certainly plays a part |
| 20:41.37 | cog|work | biggest part, imo |
| 20:41.44 | Saint-N | yeah |
| 20:42.01 | Saint-N | its a touch more difficult but then so was the prot on blueray and hddvd |
| 20:42.12 | Saint-N | it all comes down to the simple "million monkeys" addage |
| 20:42.21 | cladhaire | ... are you honestly comparing the security on a unix operating system versus windows, to the security on blueray? |
| 20:42.30 | cog|work | i'm not... |
| 20:42.31 | Saint-N | if there was a reason to make a nix based virus you can bet there would be |
| 20:42.35 | cladhaire | Saint-N: is |
| 20:42.39 | Saint-N | not at all |
| 20:42.45 | cladhaire | then why make the comparison |
| 20:42.47 | cladhaire | its assinine |
| 20:42.55 | Saint-N | im saying that if the share was larger people would be more inclined to infect it |
| 20:43.03 | cladhaire | How many infect vista right now? |
| 20:43.07 | cog|work | Why aim for such a small target? |
| 20:43.16 | cladhaire | this is hyperbole |
| 20:43.17 | cladhaire | nothing more |
| 20:43.25 | cladhaire | you're arguing your own point, with your own point. |
| 20:43.31 | Saint-N | not at all |
| 20:43.31 | cladhaire | i'm NOT an apple fanboi |
| 20:43.37 | cladhaire | however, I have done a lot of security work |
| 20:43.43 | cladhaire | and better design is better design |
| 20:43.45 | cladhaire | Vista has strong UAC |
| 20:43.52 | cog|work | cladhaire: we said nothing about osx being more susceptible to virii |
| 20:43.52 | cladhaire | Mac ships with NON admin account by default |
| 20:43.55 | cladhaire | so do unix machines |
| 20:43.59 | Saint-N | if apple was the larger share than win32 lets say and ms didnt have as large a share |
| 20:44.01 | cog|work | (or less) |
| 20:44.12 | cog|work | it's just such a small target that most viruses aren't aimed at it |
| 20:44.13 | Saint-N | do you honestly believe that there wouldnt be things like spyware and virii for mac based machines? |
| 20:44.25 | MoonWolf | UAC is a patch on top of a user system that is inherently bad. |
| 20:44.27 | cladhaire | Saint-N: Not if they can't get a hold on the machines |
| 20:44.29 | cladhaire | which is more difficult |
| 20:44.35 | Saint-N | not at all |
| 20:44.37 | cladhaire | MoonWolf: i agree, but it helps those machines, compared to XP |
| 20:44.44 | MoonWolf | true enough |
| 20:44.48 | Saint-N | has sendmail taught you nothing? |
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| 20:45.09 | Saint-N | and nix based dos bots? |
| 20:45.15 | Saint-N | and remote exploits |
| 20:45.20 | MoonWolf | that is ofcourse not saying uac is bad |
| 20:45.21 | cladhaire | ... yes, they have |
| 20:45.25 | MoonWolf | uac is perfectly good |
| 20:45.26 | cladhaire | and what ports are open on a mac machine by defaulot? |
| 20:45.29 | cladhaire | do you even know? |
| 20:45.36 | Saint-N | when was the last "user not neded to run something" exploit you say on a windows machine that would give someone full control? |
| 20:45.45 | Saint-N | needed |
| 20:45.49 | Saint-N | and saw |
| 20:46.00 | cladhaire | uhh |
| 20:46.03 | cladhaire | every single IE exploit |
| 20:46.09 | Saint-N | cladhaire: thts just it... if i was malicious and owned a macbook i WOULD know |
| 20:46.15 | cog|work | cladhaire: the question was never the ease with which viruses would be able to attack macs... it was simply that there is far less interest in doing it. |
| 20:46.17 | Saint-N | but i dont |
| 20:46.23 | Saint-N | and i couldnt care less about mac |
| 20:46.25 | cladhaire | cog|work: no, that's what YOU argued. |
| 20:46.35 | cladhaire | cog|work: he argued that flat out, it would be just as bad as it is on windows |
| 20:46.36 | Saint-N | no clad thats what i stated |
| 20:46.42 | cladhaire | among other things |
| 20:46.57 | cog|work | nope |
| 20:47.08 | Saint-N | Saint-N> everyone talking about how macs dont have spyware virii etc |
| 20:47.08 | Saint-N | <Saint-N> not realizing its bec ause the majority doesnt use mac ;) |
| 20:47.08 | Saint-N | <Saint-N> as soon as the majority is on a mac machine it will be innundated |
| 20:47.17 | Saint-N | thats what i said |
| 20:47.19 | cladhaire | and the last statement, i disagree with |
| 20:47.21 | cladhaire | *swhrug* |
| 20:47.25 | cladhaire | sorry for misreading you on the other thing |
| 20:47.31 | Saint-N | your little mac is god fanboi-ism however jumped to an entirely different conclusion |
| 20:47.39 | cladhaire | excuse me? |
| 20:47.50 | cladhaire | where the fuck do you get off accusing me of being a fanboi when I haven't once defended Mac? |
| 20:47.57 | cladhaire | and i've made explicit concessions to windows vista |
| 20:48.06 | cog|work | i don't think he meant that macs themselves would become infected with viruses, just that there would be tons more viruses out there for macs |
| 20:48.15 | cladhaire | I happen to use a mac.. and i think half the shit they do is absolute bullshit |
| 20:48.19 | cog|work | which I agree with completely |
| 20:48.19 | cladhaire | but better design is better design |
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| 20:48.36 | cladhaire | cog|work: sure, if the market share were higher, people would try harder to get in.. absolutely I agree. |
| 20:48.43 | cladhaire | that's a point not really worth making |
| 20:48.44 | cog|work | that's all he was saying... |
| 20:49.03 | cog|work | sure it is... it was explaining why he was amused by the comments... |
| 20:49.05 | Kaso | And for christs sake its viruses, get a dictionary! |
| 20:49.14 | MoonWolf | virii damnit! |
| 20:49.19 | foxlit | Mac basically has an equivalent of UAC that pops up a bit less often. |
| 20:49.21 | cladhaire | cog|work: yes.. and i agreed with it. |
| 20:49.25 | cladhaire | except for the one point |
| 20:49.26 | Saint-N | kaso: heh i like virii cuz of octopus/octopii ;P |
| 20:49.44 | cladhaire | cladhaire: The lack of spyware and virii isn't entirely because of the market share, but it certainly plays a part |
| 20:49.51 | cladhaire | you guys should read the conversation as well |
| 20:49.54 | Kaso | but thats octopuses also! |
| 20:49.59 | Saint-N | is not! |
| 20:50.02 | cladhaire | before jumping on your high fucking horse and accusing me of being a fanboi of anything. |
| 20:50.03 | foxlit | Tbh, I don't really feel safer with it prompting for my password during some installs. |
| 20:50.10 | cog|work | no one said anything about "entirely" |
| 20:50.17 | MoonWolf | foxlit, you don't have to feel safer |
| 20:50.21 | cog|work | i think you're reading a lot more absolutes into what Saint-N was saying... |
| 20:50.24 | cladhaire | *sigh* |
| 20:50.32 | MoonWolf | as long as you are safer. |
| 20:50.33 | cladhaire | whatever it doesn't fucking matter |
| 20:50.50 | foxlit | MoonWolf: my personal impression is that I'm not. |
| 20:50.59 | cladhaire | can't even have a god damned conversation without someone jumping all over you |
| 20:51.01 | Kaso | *cough* "The less frequent variations viri and virii are virtually unknown in edited prose, and no major dictionary recognizes them as alternative forms." *cough* |
| 20:51.13 | MoonWolf | foxlit, why ? |
| 20:51.15 | cladhaire | tho its irc, i'm not sure why I expect anything more. |
| 20:51.19 | cladhaire | cog|work: yeah, i'm amused.. |
| 20:51.20 | cladhaire | honestly |
| 20:51.33 | cladhaire | I didn't need the fucking microsoft police on my ass for making a valid comment |
| 20:52.17 | Saint-N | kaso: sorta like spelled and spelt :p |
| 20:52.33 | cladhaire | *shrug* |
| 20:52.36 | MoonWolf | tem, you don't get to be microsoft police! |
| 20:52.43 | Tem | why not? |
| 20:52.55 | Tem | I'm in linux. That makes me unbiased enough, right? |
| 20:53.00 | MoonWolf | hmmm |
| 20:53.11 | Tem | (lawl) |
| 20:53.12 | MoonWolf | there is the linux -> unix -> mac os |
| 20:53.14 | cladhaire | I went out of my way to make a point that wasn't supporting mac or windows, or anything in between.. Yet I'm the one who gets branded a fanboi |
| 20:53.37 | cog|work | not by me... |
| 20:53.39 | cog|work | :P |
| 20:53.40 | Tem | cladhaire, I'm 90% sure you're getting upset about nothing |
| 20:53.55 | Saint-N | because you spazzed off and went down to the name calling towards generic comments almost on par with "well i ahve nipples can you milk me?" |
| 20:54.05 | Tem | also, Saint-N, you should probably apologize to cladhaire because you've obviously offended him |
| 20:54.08 | cladhaire | Saint-N: ... |
| 20:54.12 | Kaso | Spelt / spelled is more a british/US divide, whereas viruses and virii is just script kiddies trying to sound all clever cos it sounds like genii |
| 20:54.29 | Saint-N | its a simple fact, that if more people had mac's there would be more viruses and more spyware geared towards macs |
| 20:54.33 | Saint-N | plain and simple |
| 20:54.38 | Tem | Kaso, what about elvii and jesii? |
| 20:54.42 | MoonWolf | Saint-N, however |
| 20:54.58 | cog|work | Tem: elvis doesn't end in us |
| 20:55.15 | Kaso | Elvii? .. like the plural of elvis? |
| 20:55.18 | MoonWolf | there is a very big difference between attention, and resulting malware. |
| 20:55.28 | MoonWolf | Kaso, plural of elves |
| 20:55.29 | Tem | cog|work, doesn't have to. It sounds awesome |
| 20:55.32 | MoonWolf | or elfs.... |
| 20:55.34 | Tem | no |
| 20:55.37 | Tem | I meant elvis |
| 20:55.47 | MoonWolf | elf, elves, elvii |
| 20:55.50 | Kaso | The okyrak if elves? how does that work then? |
| 20:55.50 | MoonWolf | see, makes sense! |
| 20:55.57 | Kaso | what the fuck is okyrak? |
| 20:56.19 | Saint-N | it makes me think back to the days of when HPUX came out and they made all these claims about there not being any root or remote exploits for it (because hardly anyone used them compared to sys5 and bsd etc) and then a group focused on it and ran 3 weeks of HPUX exploit of the Day, so show it was just asn vulnerable, but really no-one cared |
| 20:56.35 | Kaso | See this happens, cos i dont use the homing keys on the keyboard, sometimes ill type out a word entirely 1 key shifted left or right, has some odd effects |
| 20:56.43 | Kaso | i should use those little buggers some more. |
| 20:56.49 | cladhaire | Saint-N: People who make claims like that are idiots, can we agree there? |
| 20:57.20 | stavmar | is there a good mod that will show if your alts have any of teh same items you have when hovering over teh item with your mouse? |
| 20:57.23 | cog|work | cladhaire: i'm pretty sure that was excatly what he was saying in the first place :| |
| 20:57.30 | cladhaire | cog|work: AND I AGREED |
| 20:57.31 | cladhaire | ffws. |
| 20:57.31 | Saint-N | yup it was cog ;) |
| 20:57.45 | Saint-N | cept he added a but... to it ;) |
| 20:57.53 | Saint-N | whats the w? |
| 20:57.53 | cladhaire | no i didn't. |
| 20:57.55 | cladhaire | jesus christ |
| 20:57.57 | Saint-N | angry typing? |
| 20:58.12 | cladhaire | no, someone exploiting my system because of how popular it is, clearly |
| 20:58.21 | Kaso | stavmar i seem to recall Possessions doing that. |
| 20:58.52 | Saint-N | did you want milk and cookies before yer nap clad? you seem cranky and prolly are just over tired. |
| 20:59.01 | cog|work | cladhaire: but you disagreed with something that was never stated... You disagreed that macs would be more vulnerable when Saint-N never made any allusions to its vulnerability, only the volume of threats |
| 20:59.02 | cladhaire | awesome |
| 20:59.05 | cladhaire | fucking placate me. |
| 20:59.28 | cog|work | now children |
| 20:59.35 | cog|work | :P |
| 20:59.40 | Saint-N | well you are being oversensetive towards the whole thing and swear alot more than is normal |
| 20:59.46 | Saint-N | sensitive |
| 20:59.47 | MoonWolf | populatiry alone will not produce more exploits, a system may not be a 100% secure |
| 20:59.54 | Josh_Borke | i would not say normal but more usual |
| 20:59.59 | cladhaire | I disagreed with the following statemen: "Saint-N: not realizing its bec ause the majority doesnt use mac" |
| 20:59.59 | stavmar | Kaso: ok i will check it out |
| 21:00.06 | MoonWolf | but there is a difference between the unix that mac started out with and windows |
| 21:00.08 | cladhaire | period. |
| 21:00.17 | cladhaire | Re-read the conversation |
| 21:00.19 | cladhaire | I have, three times now. |
| 21:00.20 | cladhaire | I didn't name-call |
| 21:00.23 | MoonWolf | and it is VERY profound. |
| 21:00.32 | cladhaire | I disagreed with one part of what was said, and I _thought_ we would have discussion about that |
| 21:00.46 | cog|work | cladhaire: yes, but you were reading more into that than was meant |
| 21:01.00 | cladhaire | and he defended what I read into |
| 21:01.00 | cladhaire | .. |
| 21:01.02 | cladhaire | that's my fucking point |
| 21:01.06 | cladhaire | rather than talk about it |
| 21:01.10 | Saint-N | i merely brought up the million monkeys theory after that |
| 21:01.24 | cladhaire | yes.. seemingly in defense of what i was responding to |
| 21:01.38 | cladhaire | that's how i thought conversations worked.. we made statements responding to each other |
| 21:02.05 | cog|work | wait... |
| 21:02.10 | cog|work | here's what i see happening |
| 21:02.34 | cladhaire | If the problem is I'm reading into what's being said.. it would be nice if that was a part of the conversation before it reaches this point. |
| 21:02.37 | Saint-N | its not that mac is more secure or that it's users are better or even that its software has better checks, or what the underlying OS is, it's the simple fact that its peanuts to attack the mac community with spyware and viruses when the windows community is much much larger and holds much much better data |
| 21:02.43 | cog|work | clad read more into it than was there. Saint-N, not realizing that clad was thinking something different, defended his point of view from the wrong attack |
| 21:02.56 | Saint-N | cog|work: more or less |
| 21:03.05 | Saint-N | but then he started swearing at me ;P |
| 21:03.15 | cog|work | cladhaire: you thought Saint-N was defending against your argument, but he didn't truly understand your argument in the first place |
| 21:03.29 | cog|work | He thought you understood what he meant |
| 21:03.51 | cladhaire | I didn't swear, until you called me a fanboi |
| 21:03.52 | cog|work | which was simply that more mac users will mean more threats |
| 21:03.57 | MoonWolf | Saint-N, after you called him a fanboi without grounds. |
| 21:04.01 | cladhaire | because I'm not going to sit here and be attacked in the middle of a conversation |
| 21:04.03 | cladhaire | period |
| 21:04.09 | cladhaire | that's not how I roll |
| 21:04.26 | Josh_Borke | /flex |
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| 21:04.37 | Kaso | Haha |
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| 21:04.42 | cladhaire | <-- priest |
| 21:04.45 | cladhaire | duh |
| 21:04.50 | MoonWolf | damn those discipline priests |
| 21:04.50 | Kaso | you took reflective shield? that sucks! |
| 21:04.51 | Josh_Borke | <-- priest |
| 21:04.52 | Josh_Borke | duh :-P |
| 21:04.53 | foxlit | What priest, and can't take abuse? |
| 21:04.55 | MoonWolf | you never expect refelctive shield. |
| 21:05.03 | MoonWolf | reflective* |
| 21:05.09 | foxlit | "Quit slacking, your lack of healing killed us all!" |
| 21:05.21 | cladhaire | fine, since I'm clearly the only one who had any communication issues or was in the wrong during this conversation. |
| 21:05.23 | cladhaire | Sorry I sweared |
| 21:05.32 | Josh_Borke | you mean swore? |
| 21:05.34 | MoonWolf | i swear, every time in world pvp, i'm fighting a priest, i hit cold blood, go in for the final mutilate, and i get it right back in my face. |
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| 21:05.43 | cladhaire | no |
| 21:05.45 | cladhaire | sweared |
| 21:05.47 | Josh_Borke | lol moonwolf |
| 21:06.01 | cladhaire | MoonWolf: :P |
| 21:06.39 | Saint-N | alright scrolled back, appearantly i missed a couple pof lines as i was reading and apologize for calling you a fanboi. |
| 21:07.52 | Saint-N | but for future reference... i am a seasoned troll and i WILL resort to placateing if you say things like "cladhaire> where the fuck do you get off accusing me of being a fanboi when I haven't once defended Mac?" again |
| 21:07.56 | cladhaire | no problem, sorry the conversation got out of hand |
| 21:08.08 | Saint-N | just as kind of a side note |
| 21:08.10 | cladhaire | Saint-N: ... |
| 21:08.17 | cladhaire | Saint-N: what am i supposed to take away from that? |
| 21:08.40 | Saint-N | at the point that it becomes condescending for anyone, thats about the point where i stop caring what the convos was about and focus solely on irritation ;P |
| 21:08.47 | MoonWolf | keep the trolling somewhere else. |
| 21:08.56 | Saint-N | its a natural habit |
| 21:09.12 | cladhaire | I'll refrain from making a character judgement as a result |
| 21:09.15 | Saint-N | if im not paying attention to whos speaking i generally just devolve to it |
| 21:09.21 | cladhaire | but that shit won't fly with me |
| 21:09.27 | cladhaire | *shrug* |
| 21:09.36 | cog|work | probably not a good idea to troll an op ;) |
| 21:09.40 | cladhaire | I don't think its right for anyone to purposely irritate or treat someone like shit |
| 21:09.43 | cladhaire | op or not |
| 21:09.45 | Saint-N | sorta like the other day with you "i know" comments ;) |
| 21:09.53 | Saint-N | you/your |
| 21:10.06 | Saint-N | generally with me its nothing personal, and ill forget about it 5mins later |
| 21:10.14 | Saint-N | you onthe other hand might not behave that way |
| 21:10.21 | cladhaire | your victim likely won't. |
| 21:10.22 | Saint-N | so as fair warning i DO react that way |
| 21:10.26 | cladhaire | its human nature |
| 21:10.29 | Saint-N | for future reference |
| 21:10.31 | cladhaire | and as fair warning, I think that's a horrible thing |
| 21:10.34 | cladhaire | for future reference |
| 21:10.37 | cladhaire | and its trolling |
| 21:10.47 | Saint-N | only after that certain point |
| 21:10.55 | Saint-N | up until then its for the sake of the argument |
| 21:10.55 | cladhaire | its never right |
| 21:10.58 | Saint-N | which i enjoy |
| 21:11.05 | cladhaire | awesome |
| 21:11.15 | Saint-N | argument/debat/discussion whatever |
| 21:11.24 | cladhaire | I think that's critically unfortunate |
| 21:11.47 | Saint-N | arguments should never get personal in any way *shrug* |
| 21:11.54 | Cidan | bullshit |
| 21:11.59 | cladhaire | then maybe you shouldn't personally attack people |
| 21:11.59 | Cidan | God you're an idiot Saint-N |
| 21:12.03 | Cidan | ;P |
| 21:12.06 | cladhaire | ... |
| 21:12.10 | cladhaire | unless i'm missing something |
| 21:12.12 | Saint-N | yeah suck it mook ;P |
| 21:12.23 | cladhaire | whatever this doesn't matter |
| 21:12.38 | Josh_Borke | you don't matter |
| 21:12.44 | Josh_Borke | ~joshborke |
| 21:12.45 | purl | Yes, I'm even more stupid than Thrae. I'm also a smart-ass. And apparently I'm not a person, so I don't count. |
| 21:13.06 | Saint-N | cladhaire: prolly.. ill see if i clarify, if you're debating arguing discussing with someone, and you pull the "well i know more than you" statement out, that becomes personal more than a debate which started as a conversation of varying points |
| 21:13.39 | cladhaire | yet the statement you used was "cladhaire> where the fuck do you get off accusing me of being a fanboi when I haven't once defended Mac?" |
| 21:13.42 | cladhaire | its a honest questino |
| 21:13.42 | Saint-N | claining that you know something that the other person doesnt and wont elaborate, (as example) reads very condescending |
| 21:14.13 | Saint-N | in that case it was the "where the fuck do you" which to me reads as "you don't know me" |
| 21:14.22 | cladhaire | you don't know me |
| 21:14.25 | cladhaire | and you're personally attacking me |
| 21:14.28 | cladhaire | that's the damn point man |
| 21:14.31 | Saint-N | and its also a phrase that tends to make me want to lash out at people that say it |
| 21:14.40 | cladhaire | that's YOUR problem bro. |
| 21:14.45 | Saint-N | its the wording not the intention |
| 21:14.57 | Saint-N | anyways |
| 21:15.04 | Saint-N | meanwhile back at the ranch |
| 21:15.58 | Saint-N | figured i'd give you a heads up on my reactions to certain things. since im obviously incapable of curbing myself on them |
| 21:16.22 | Saint-N | and on a completely different note |
| 21:16.33 | cladhaire | Well, don't expect that to end in anything more than me telling you flat out to stop.. because I don't think its ever acceptable. |
| 21:16.55 | cladhaire | but go ahead and get the last word in, i'm done with this conversation. |
| 21:16.59 | Tem | Saint-N, you might want to quit before you annoy /more/ than one channel staff |
| 21:17.01 | Saint-N | I want a dynamic themer created... and i'll give whoever makes it to my specs and behavior will get a 60day time card. |
| 21:17.23 | Saint-N | tem: why? |
| 21:17.44 | Tem | because if it bothers me, others aren't far behind |
| 21:17.53 | Saint-N | and ill get banned... so? |
| 21:18.03 | Tem | hey if it doesn't bother you, that's fine |
| 21:18.09 | Saint-N | its irc |
| 21:18.11 | Tem | all I really care about is no having to read your spam |
| 21:18.21 | Saint-N | use ignore then |
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| 21:18.26 | cladhaire | Saint-N: and there are people on the other end of the wire.. You'd be good to keep that in mind |
| 21:19.21 | Saint-N | and thats why i never have and never will make personal based attacks |
| 21:19.30 | cladhaire | dot motherfucking dot |
| 21:19.31 | Saint-N | to me you're a person who is named clad |
| 21:19.40 | Saint-N | and you behave a certain way |
| 21:19.46 | Saint-N | btw |
| 21:20.01 | Saint-N | personal attacks to me is not questioning your intelligence it's commenting on RL stuff |
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| 21:20.25 | Saint-N | but you're done with this... let's move along |
| 21:20.55 | cladhaire | For the good of the channel, for the love of god: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_attack |
| 21:22.26 | Josh_Borke | having common assumptions is good |
| 21:22.52 | Matrix110 | oh noes e-drama! |
| 21:22.52 | cladhaire | indeed |
| 21:23.00 | cladhaire | Matrix110: i have e-tissues |
| 21:23.02 | cladhaire | its okay! |
| 21:23.10 | Matrix110 | i got e-popcorn |
| 21:23.35 | cladhaire | buttered? |
| 21:24.21 | Matrix110 | nah |
| 21:24.23 | Matrix110 | salt |
| 21:24.35 | cladhaire | butter has salt |
| 21:24.39 | cladhaire | two birds with one kernel imo |
| 21:24.40 | cladhaire | 1 |
| 21:24.49 | Josh_Borke | bb |
| 21:25.06 | Matrix110 | butter has salt if the people are extremly weird maybe:P |
| 21:25.07 | cladhaire | but WHEN will he be back? later? in a bit? |
| 21:25.21 | Matrix110 | if you want fucking salt in the butter then i put salt on my damn bread |
| 21:25.28 | cladhaire | Ah, most of our butter is salted by default :P |
| 21:25.34 | Matrix110 | i know |
| 21:25.35 | cog|work | unsalted butter is 4tw |
| 21:26.01 | cladhaire | I cook with unsalted butter |
| 21:26.04 | cog|work | raw milk butter is 4tw-er, but thanks to our benevolent FDA, I am protected from it. |
| 21:26.10 | Matrix110 | we got american friends buying stuff from piex(US shop in germany) and when we stood at them we had to eat that kind of stuff:P |
| 21:26.19 | cladhaire | but don't actually use it outside cooking or popcorn tho :P |
| 21:26.31 | Matrix110 | Jam with salted butter.... |
| 21:26.48 | Tem | will he be /right/ back? |
| 21:27.21 | cladhaire | Tem: good call! |
| 21:28.12 | Matrix110 | zomg i got Visual Studio now and no use for it |
| 21:28.18 | Matrix110 | i wonder what got me to DL it |
| 21:28.47 | cog|work | Matrix110: http://www.wowwiki.com/HOWTO:_Set_up_Visual_Studio_for_WoW_XML perhaps? |
| 21:28.54 | Matrix110 | must have been the chance to get a expensive program legaly for free:P |
| 21:29.22 | Saint-N | hehe 2k8? |
| 21:29.39 | Matrix110 | is that even out Oo? |
| 21:29.41 | Saint-N | free expensive software is funt o play with |
| 21:29.47 | Matrix110 | 2005 pro here |
| 21:29.48 | Saint-N | on to msdn |
| 21:29.53 | cog|work | 2k8's in beta |
| 21:29.55 | Matrix110 | oh |
| 21:30.18 | Matrix110 | beta software isnt in the MSDN contract i think from my university |
| 21:30.32 | cog|work | don't think you need msdn at this point |
| 21:30.44 | cog|work | just a valid copy of win |
| 21:31.00 | Matrix110 | oh one of those 180days beta? |
| 21:31.06 | foxlit | Did you read the academic license? |
| 21:31.20 | cog|work | Matrix110: http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/vstudio/aa700831.aspx |
| 21:31.31 | Matrix110 | actually not foxlit:P |
| 21:31.38 | Matrix110 | should i? |
| 21:31.43 | foxlit | Yes. |
| 21:32.11 | foxlit | As far as I understand, there are some serious limits to releasing commercial software developed using academic license products |
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| 21:32.52 | Matrix110 | there are |
| 21:32.56 | Matrix110 | just read it but |
| 21:32.57 | Matrix110 | well |
| 21:33.08 | Matrix110 | not like i release commercial software developed by it:P |
| 21:34.12 | Saint-N | i got server 2k8 and exchange 2k7 corps in my action pack a few months ago |
| 21:34.20 | Saint-N | gonna install em on a machine here ust to play with |
| 21:34.27 | Saint-N | for no other reason than "i can" |
| 21:35.13 | foxlit | grrr, where are you, Leopard DVD? |
| 21:35.35 | Saint-N | http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/vstudio/default.aspx |
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| 21:35.50 | cladhaire | foxlit: mine arrived around 3, but i can't install it until i've submitted these chapters =( |
| 21:36.02 | foxlit | cladhaire: It's 23 for me at the moment |
| 21:36.03 | Matrix110 | Hippies |
| 21:36.17 | cladhaire | i meant 1500 :P |
| 21:36.25 | cladhaire | but yeah |
| 21:36.33 | Matrix110 | the amount of mac users gets to high:P |
| 21:36.49 | foxlit | It's unlikely that they\ll make it in the next 24 minutes :) |
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| 21:37.13 | foxlit | And knowing how this country (does not) work on weekends, it'll probably not be until monday |
| 21:37.21 | foxlit | "Current Delivery StatusIn Transit to Customer - Shipment Delayed" |
| 21:37.34 | Matrix110 | can you change the key after install? |
| 21:37.50 | Matrix110 | because then you could just dl it and change key on monday:P |
| 21:39.12 | foxlit | Hrm, at least its in the country. |
| 21:39.32 | foxlit | Wonder what the odds are of those guys showing up on my doorstep on a saturday |
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| 21:49.01 | Mike-N-Go_ | foxlit: What is shipping it? |
| 21:49.06 | Mike-N-Go_ | UPS? |
| 21:49.11 | foxlit | TNT |
| 21:49.42 | Mike-N-Go_ | Is it going across a national border? |
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| 21:50.31 | cog|work | probably old news to y'all but i was out of commission for the last couple days... http://www.garynorth.com/public/2575.cfm |
| 21:50.43 | foxlit | Mike-N-Go_: think it already has |
| 21:51.07 | Mike-N-Go_ | Well, I hear that some packages have trouble passing customs. |
| 21:51.53 | Mike-N-Go_ | And that many people with UPS shipping it internationally get charged a $50 brokerage fee for an item.. other shipper's rates are better. |
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| 21:58.00 | cncfanatics | cog|work, could you add yet another suggestion to ur UI suggestion threat for me ? |
| 21:58.38 | cncfanatics | an API function that would return all stances available to a player, like shapeshifts currently, but for stances (the current shapeshift system doesn't do jack for shadowform for example) |
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| 22:04.03 | foxlit | http://www.theonion.com/content/news/nasa_announces_plan_to_bring_wi_fi |
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| 22:57.56 | cog|work | |Jelly| u n00b |
| 22:58.05 | |Jelly| | Your face. |
| 22:58.09 | cog|work | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2649575363&sid=1#4 |
| 22:58.17 | cog|work | woops |
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| 23:09.54 | art3mis | late at night the ice weasels come |
| 23:13.11 | art3mis | umode e-pown |
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| 23:16.36 | foxlit | If I do table:method(), and rawget(table, "method") == nil, which metatable entry/entries get consulted? |
| 23:17.07 | JoshBorke | __index |
| 23:19.56 | foxlit | Was I halucinating about a __call metamethod? |
| 23:20.11 | cog|work | foxlit: that would be if you did table() |
| 23:20.20 | cog|work | which is a function call |
| 23:20.32 | foxlit | Not quite what I wanted |
| 23:20.35 | cog|work | table:method() is an index |
| 23:20.43 | cog|work | (ignore the () from the method) |
| 23:21.09 | cog|work | of course, if table.method was a table the __call would be checked :P |
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| 23:28.33 | art3mis | once again: Bounty available: make me a dynamic skin changer that will allow loading and saving of eepanels settings and graphics, cycircled settings, bt3, xperl and chat locations, colours, and settings. Reward: a 60day game card. |
| 23:29.04 | foxlit | There we go, protected madness continues: http://foxlit.pastey.net/75857 |
| 23:29.34 | foxlit | more wowcrack for the masses? :) |
| 23:29.53 | art3mis | heh |
| 23:30.01 | foxlit | art3mis: separately or all-at-once? |
| 23:30.06 | art3mis | all at once |
| 23:30.23 | art3mis | sorta like cycircled's skinning pull down only the entire interface |
| 23:30.46 | foxlit | Sounds like you just have to look up their saved variables code and save/restore the appropriate variables at proper times |
| 23:30.49 | art3mis | nothing needs to be /rl'd since its all ingame dynamic stuff anyways |
| 23:31.01 | art3mis | nods.. the downside is im totally clueless to it |
| 23:31.12 | foxlit | reloads are still very, very nice |
| 23:31.27 | art3mis | i understand that basically id need to create my own DB to save it and then wrap all the functions but beyond that |
| 23:31.32 | art3mis | yeah |
| 23:31.52 | art3mis | i was thinking of including a "refresh" option that would just /rl for ya with the latest settings |
| 23:32.07 | art3mis | but thats the general gist of it |
| 23:32.36 | art3mis | so that instead of either packaging a whole shitload of addons each time i make a new one OR just including the changed addons adn the WTF folder |
| 23:32.43 | art3mis | having a theme changer might be better |
| 23:32.58 | art3mis | plus it wont be just for me, im just the one giving out the card to get it done |
| 23:33.13 | foxlit | Having a generic restore-my-settings addon would be better for the whole "hah, there's some mods, let me move them around and upload a compilation" community |
| 23:33.30 | art3mis | nods |
| 23:33.46 | foxlit | Anyhow, I'm afraid I've used the spark of brilliance for tonight by fixing my shadowing code (I think!) |
| 23:33.52 | art3mis | heh |
| 23:33.58 | art3mis | thats generally why i want it |
| 23:34.02 | art3mis | i use the same addons all the time |
| 23:34.15 | art3mis | so this would be a much prefered way to releases different skins and layouts |
| 23:34.40 | art3mis | and retain the ability to swap between em so you dont have to remember to remove the odl stuff before putting in the enw stuff |
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