IRC log for #wowi-lounge on 20071028

`00:05.36`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge Lin (n=igor@unaffiliated/lincity)`
`00:07.24`	`Fumler`	`How do I change image quality?`
`00:08.07`	`Kaso`	`clarify please.`
`00:08.14`	`Fumler`	`for screenshots`
`00:08.33`	`Kaso`	`oh theres a cvar`
`00:08.37`	`Fumler`	`yea`
`00:08.51`	`Corrodias`	`indeed... hmm`
`00:08.53`	`Fumler`	`I always forget it :x`
`00:08.59`	`Corrodias`	`i don't remember exactly. i'd have to google.`
`00:09.01`	`Kaso`	`10secodns searching on wowwiki will tell you it`
`00:09.10`	`Fumler`	`ah, ok.`
`00:09.11`	`Fumler`	`Thanks`
`00:09.22`	`Fumler`	`Tried google, but I failed :P`
`00:09.34`	`Kaso`	`screenshotQuality`
`00:09.36`	`Kaso`	`0-10`
`00:11.38`	`bleeter`	`I've rebuilt and installed Wine... I think by any measure of imagination that qualifies as 'a while', time to log back in and see if I'm still through the world`
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`00:12.08`	`Corrodias`	`also, screenshot format`
`00:12.15`	`Corrodias`	`back to tga instead of jpg, or whatever`
`00:12.55`	`Corrodias`	`unfortunately, that DOES take a lot of space. i have 8gb of screenshots.`
`00:13.04`	`Kaso`	`tga is stupid`
`00:13.15`	`Iriel`	`LEAVING them in tga is stupid`
`00:13.18`	`Corrodias`	`i just have to get around to converting the rest of them to .png, which is much smaller with the same quality`
`00:13.49`	`Kaso`	`I'd be no human could see the difference between 90% jpg and tga without zooming in`
`00:13.55`	`Kaso`	`s/be/bet/`
`00:14.06`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Kaso, I'd take that bet ;P`
`00:14.17`	`Iriel`	`I'd take that bet`
`00:14.23`	`Corrodias`	`so would i`
`00:14.38`	`Corrodias`	`-especially- when you have thin lines of text`
`00:14.43`	`Iriel`	`especially for synthetic images`
`00:14.47`	`Corrodias`	`the color degradation is highly visible on colored text`
`00:15.19`	`art3mis`	`you forget that canon made iriels eyes`
`00:15.24`	`Iriel`	`Nikon!`
`00:15.29`	`art3mis`	`no way`
`00:15.35`	`art3mis`	`you're not THAT good ;P`
`00:15.51`	`Iriel`	`heh.. all my gear is Nikon, that's all.`
`00:15.52`	`art3mis`	`i was gonna say pentax originally ;)`
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`00:16.29`	`Iriel`	`I am an image quality whore tho, I like to shoot in raw format (when I have the space)`
`00:16.33`	`Esamynn`	`greetings mortals :)`
`00:16.37`	`nickropert`	`hello`
`00:16.45`	`Iriel`	`Evening es`
`00:16.54`	`Corrodias`	`RAW`
`00:17.03`	`Corrodias`	`it's so hardcore, it's raw.`
`00:17.04`	`Shirik`	`or better yet`
`00:17.09`	`Shirik`	`DON'T USE DIGITAL CAMERAS`
`00:17.13`	`Shirik`	`rawr`
`00:17.29`	`Shirik`	`<3 my minolta`
`00:17.29`	`Iriel`	`Nikon call it 'NEF' which is a bit less uber sounding`
`00:17.41`	`nickropert`	`I am new to dev in WOW and was hoping I could find some help in here creating a floating text for a warloc.....I would rather not have a mod if possible.....can anybody help?`
`00:17.51`	`Esamynn`	`Shirik: what's wrong with digital cameras? :P`
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`00:18.02`	`Iriel`	`Shirik: I dont buy the 'film is better' line... I'm very happy to accept 'film is different' though`
`00:18.18`	`Iriel`	`There's distinct pros and cons to both`
`00:18.20`	`Shirik`	`Esamynn: evil! nickropert: I'm a bit confused, are you trying to develop something? (hence "dev") or just find something`
`00:18.24`	`Shirik`	`Iriel: I totally agree :)`
`00:18.42`	`Shirik`	`biggest con is the fact that I have to go about 30 miles to find realistic film these days`
`00:18.44`	`nickropert`	`well not dev I guess just find something or how to make it better`
`00:18.56`	`Shirik`	`the crap they sell at kmart doesn't cut it`
`00:19.15`	`Iriel`	`The 'formerly large' photo store in my city closed recently, I suspect Berkeley is the nearest place for one now`
`00:19.26`	`Iriel`	`Makes me more relieved I embraced digital`
`00:19.42`	`Iriel`	`though it's a bit of a bummer when I want to pick up a new camera and play with it before buying it`
`00:19.42`	`Shirik`	`I'll have to some day. The photo store "near" me will be closing soon, I'm sure. They don't have much business.`
`00:19.53`	`Shirik`	`nickropert: Really you'd probably have to have an addon for something like that`
`00:20.14`	`Shirik`	`"floating text" being what, like damage/heals?`
`00:20.42`	`Shirik`	`My uncle has been trying to persuade me to go digital for a long time, he thinks I'm nuts`
`00:20.48`	`Shirik`	`he's more of a photography nut than I am`
`00:21.17`	`nickropert`	`I just want Nightfall when its available to show Big on the screen without the other scrolling text you get from having them turned on....ie: siphon life shows green as well as drain life.....I just want nightfall to show along with damage to target`
`00:21.35`	`Shirik`	`sorry I've never played a lock`
`00:21.38`	`Shirik`	`Nightfall is a buff?`
`00:21.57`	`nickropert`	`it would be like riposte for a rogue`
`00:22.04`	`Shirik`	`ok never played a rogue`
`00:22.08`	`Shirik`	`try any other class`
`00:22.09`	`nickropert`	`hrm`
`00:22.20`	`Shirik`	`wait never played a mage either`
`00:22.29`	`Esamynn`	`Shirik: why do you hate digital cameras? I just don't understand...`
`00:22.36`	`Shirik`	`tbh I really don't know`
`00:22.43`	`Shirik`	`I don't think i've given them a fair chance`
`00:23.05`	`Shirik`	`but I look at it this way: I have about $1500 of equipment for my current camera, and I absolutely love the results. Why switch?`
`00:23.24`	`Shirik`	`I'd prefer not to have to replace it all`
`00:23.43`	`Shirik`	`however some of the digital cameras I've seen lately are really tempting`
`00:24.05`	`art3mis`	`ive got a fuji cmera it takes decent enough pics so im good with that ;P`
`00:24.07`	`Esamynn`	`ok, but would that equipment not work with a digital camera of the same brand? or have they changed the interface they use?`
`00:24.16`	`art3mis`	`although i do kind of want a HD camcorder`
`00:24.25`	`Iriel`	`Shirik: Have you looked at the specs on the D300 ?`
`00:24.28`	`Shirik`	`the camera's about... 7 years old. I'm not sure if they still use the same lock mechanism, gonna go look`
`00:24.37`	`Shirik`	`Iriel: Not yet, actually. But I probably should.`
`00:24.49`	`foxlit`	`http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?id=68793344&s=143458 so darn awesome`
`00:24.50`	`Esamynn`	`Shirik: worth a look, I mean, it's not as if lens technology has changed all that much`
`00:25.10`	`Iriel`	`Shirik: Most of the high end SLR's maintain compatibility, afterall that's kind of the point of picking a big name manufacturer`
`00:25.15`	`Esamynn`	`at least, I don't think it has`
`00:25.16`	`Shirik`	`see though I think if I went digital I might want to go ... AWESOME!`
`00:25.22`	`Shirik`	`I went to minolta.com and I get a 404 error`
`00:25.31`	`Esamynn`	`lol`
`00:25.36`	`foxlit`	`Isn't it konica?`
`00:25.43`	`foxlit`	`http://www.konicaminolta.com/`
`00:26.01`	`Iriel`	`Some (long) time ago Minolata had one of the best affordable digitals, then they stopped caring`
`00:26.08`	`Shirik`	`yeah it's konicaminolta.com, but the URL that it redirects me to from minolta.com is http://www.konicaminolta.com/error.html`
`00:26.09`	`Iriel`	`I /almost/ ended up with one`
`00:26.12`	`Shirik`	`you would think they could figure that part out`
`00:26.21`	`Esamynn`	`for that kind of thing, I start with a google search, rather than ASSUMING they'll have the obvious URL ;)`
`00:26.38`	`Shirik`	`nah, whenever I'm searching I use the obvious url first :P`
`00:26.42`	`Shirik`	`sometimes it doesn't work, like firefox.com`
`00:26.47`	`Shirik`	`though I think they recently got that domain`
`00:26.49`	`foxlit`	`http://ca.konicaminolta.com/ccdsettlement/`
`00:27.04`	`nickropert`	`it is also like Omen of Clarity for a Druid......so if I was a druid I would want a big text telling me I have omen of clarity up`
`00:27.29`	`Shirik`	`ok`
`00:27.31`	`Shirik`	`that I understand`
`00:27.40`	`nickropert`	`sorry had to look up something you would understand :)`
`00:27.49`	`Shirik`	`I think SCT has something like that. You could turn off everything else`
`00:28.09`	`Shirik`	`anyone else have a suggestion? It seems a bit overkill to use SCT for that...`
`00:28.16`	`nickropert`	`yeah.....I had msbt but I really want to find a way to do it without a mod`
`00:28.27`	`Shirik`	`without a mod it isn't going to happen`
`00:28.38`	`Esamynn`	`you could use the default combat text`
`00:28.45`	`Esamynn`	`and display all buffs you get`
`00:28.47`	`Shirik`	`blizz's combat text does that?`
`00:28.50`	`Shirik`	`ah yeah with all buffs`
`00:29.13`	`nickropert`	`I found a post someone made editing the change zone code.....but I was not sure where to put that code to0 make it work`
`00:30.12`	`Shirik`	`yey they still have a site for my camera <3 http://ca.konicaminolta.com/products/consumer/camera-pus/slr/maxxum5/index.html`
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`00:31.03`	`Shirik`	`heh`
`00:31.05`	`Shirik`	`poor nickropert`
`00:31.10`	`nickropert`	`I really need to register snak`
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`00:31.42`	`nickropert`	`someone posted a code on WOW interface it was like this`
`00:31.44`	`nickropert`	`ZoneTextString:SetText(":: Nightfall loaded ::");`
`00:31.44`	`nickropert`	`ZoneTextString:SetTextColor(1.0, 0.2, 0.2);`
`00:31.46`	`nickropert`	`ZoneTextFrame.startTime = GetTime();`
`00:31.48`	`nickropert`	`ZoneTextFrame:Show();`
`00:32.41`	`foxlit`	`Don't :)`
`00:32.48`	`nickropert`	`he said it would make it big and in the middle of the screen ;).....any idea how to use that?>`
`00:33.06`	`foxlit`	`http://colloquy.info/`
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`00:33.59`	`foxlit`	`(a) It's awesome (b) It's free. :)`
`00:34.00`	`Shirik`	`wow`
`00:34.09`	`nickropert`	`oh.....thx fox`
`00:34.12`	`Shirik`	`konicaminolta discontinued the entire maxxum series? That means they're only making DSLRs now...`
`00:34.18`	`foxlit`	`That is either a code fragment or will have some serious issues`
`00:34.36`	`Iriel`	`Shirik: Konica Minolta Photo Imaging, Inc. ceased the camera business on March 31, 2006.`
`00:34.42`	`Shirik`	`oh =(`
`00:34.47`	`Shirik`	`that would explain that much then`
`00:35.11`	`Iriel`	`They sold their camera business to sony, I think`
`00:35.24`	`Iriel`	`though who knows if there are any compatible cameras for old minolta lenses`
`00:35.39`	`nickropert`	`well lets say I did want to try that code.....how would I do it :).....if I mess it up I will change it back and if that doesn't work I will cry for a long time :)`
`00:35.47`	`Shirik`	`well it says on their site that their digital lenses are not compatible with the Maxxum SLR lenses`
`00:35.51`	`Shirik`	`so I'll assume that's not an option`
`00:35.52`	`foxlit`	`mm, sleep.`
`00:37.29`	`Shirik`	`6 frames per second`
`00:37.31`	`Shirik`	`that's pretty impressive`
`00:37.36`	`Shirik`	`(looking at the D300 specs)`
`00:38.20`	`nickropert`	`save the money and get the D200 you won't see a big diff in photos from 10-12 meg pix and the d200 shoots just as fast :)`
`00:38.20`	`Iriel`	`I was trying to figure out how to afford a D3, but then I saw the D300 and think I may be able to save myself a lot of money`
`00:38.51`	`Iriel`	`The D300 has their new autofocus chip, and the anti-dust technology, not to mention a much nicer LCD`
`00:39.06`	`nickropert`	`that lcd is nice`
`00:39.28`	`nickropert`	`but the af system is over kill and the d200 has anti dust as well....just not as good :(`
`00:39.38`	`Thunder_Child`	`the only increase over my 400d is a live view LCD (vs the 40D)`
`00:39.59`	`Shirik`	`definitely not overkill nickropert`
`00:40.44`	`Shirik`	`18-200mm lens?`
`00:40.48`	`Shirik`	`wtf?`
`00:40.57`	`Iriel`	`The default is body only`
`00:41.13`	`Shirik`	`yeah but`
`00:41.18`	`Shirik`	`eh, nm`
`00:41.28`	`Shirik`	`just confuses me how you could have such a wide range like that`
`00:41.50`	`Iriel`	`handy if you dont want to exchange lenses, but lots of tradeoffs for a jack of all trades`
`00:41.56`	`Shirik`	`yeah`
`00:42.10`	`Shirik`	`I probably would go for the body only and then pick up a few different lenses`
`00:42.12`	`Thunder_Child`	`how about a 50-500`
`00:42.14`	`Iriel`	`I'm curious what their next generation vibration reduction tech is like too (They've got a new line of VR lenses coming out this year)`
`00:42.18`	`Shirik`	`I don't care about having to swap them out`
`00:42.22`	`Thunder_Child`	`http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Sigma-50-500mm-F-4-6.3-EX-DG-HSM-Lens-Review.aspx`
`00:42.33`	`Shirik`	`Thunder_Child: That I'm decently ok with`
`00:42.40`	`Shirik`	`if you're going over 50mm you're usually wanting to do telephoto anyway`
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`00:42.51`	`Shirik`	`so the depth of field becomes less of an issue`
`00:43.39`	`Thunder_Child`	`what i am looking for is something in the 15-80mm range with a low f-stop (2.8 and below) and Image Stabilization`
`00:44.29`	`Shirik`	`exactly, that's going to be rough`
`00:44.36`	`Thunder_Child`	`ya`
`00:44.50`	`Shirik`	`that's why I'm worried... like that 18-200mm lens, I just checked it`
`00:44.53`	`Shirik`	`it's 3.5-5.6`
`00:44.57`	`Thunder_Child`	`usualy low f-stops and IS (or equivilent) dont go together`
`00:45.09`	`Iriel`	`They dont tend to put image stabilization on the short lenses tho.. Though I think it's Canon who put some stabilization in camera`
`00:45.11`	`Thunder_Child`	`http://www.tamron.com/lenses/prod/assets/pdfs/popphoto_testreport17-50.pdf is nice, but no IS`
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`00:45.25`	`Shirik`	`usually low f-stops and telephoto don't go together`
`00:45.26`	`nickropert`	`ugh`
`00:45.35`	`Shirik`	`that's why you don't see IS`
`00:46.10`	`Shirik`	`only time I've dropped below f3.5 is when I'm doing shots at really wide angle, really. No need for IS there`
`00:46.27`	`Shirik`	`but I like those shots, and having a lens that's 18-200mm isn't going to let me do that`
`00:46.31`	`nickropert`	`well it sounds like I need to get a mod......what mod would be recommended preferably one that is very low on mem usage?`
`00:46.53`	`Shirik`	`the only one I've used that I can recommend is SC`
`00:46.54`	`Shirik`	`SCT`
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`00:47.07`	`Iriel`	`nickropert: Where did you see something indicating the D200 had anti-dust?`
`00:47.18`	`Thunder_Child`	`well i like taking lowlight pictures but even with a low stop they come out lightly blurry`
`00:47.23`	`nickropert`	`dpreview.com`
`00:47.31`	`Iriel`	`Thunder_Child: Use a tripod?`
`00:47.46`	`Thunder_Child`	`bah`
`00:47.58`	`Thunder_Child`	`i take shots of people, not things that stand still`
`00:48.26`	`Iriel`	`IS isn't going to help then`
`00:48.37`	`Thunder_Child`	`yes...`
`00:48.37`	`Iriel`	`That's about stabilizing the imager/optics, not the subject!`
`00:48.54`	`Thunder_Child`	`i dont want to stop the subject`
`00:49.01`	`Shirik`	`hehe, Thunder_Child and I are very different :)`
`00:49.04`	`Shirik`	`I rarely have people in my pictures`
`00:49.24`	`Thunder_Child`	`i prefer nature shots, but when i take them of people it's paperatzi style`
`00:49.27`	`Shirik`	`when I do, you usually can't see them`
`00:49.59`	`Thunder_Child`	`nickropert, where? http://www.dpreview.com/news/0511/05110104nikond200.asp#features`
`00:50.14`	`Thunder_Child`	`D300 has it...but i dont see it on the 200`
`00:50.22`	`Shirik`	`Thunder_Child: low light, people, no tripod: http://darkroommaster.deviantart.com/art/A-Walk-on-the-Beach-7110231`
`00:50.28`	`Shirik`	`worked fine :D`
`00:50.54`	`Thunder_Child`	`ya, and you have more grains than the beach does`
`00:51.00`	`nickropert`	`crap maybe it was on the d300 I was reading it.....but was sure I read it on dp`
`00:51.02`	`Shirik`	`I think that's 50mm f/4.6?`
`00:51.11`	`Shirik`	`I forget, it was too long ago`
`00:51.13`	`Thunder_Child`	`to grainy for me`
`00:51.21`	`Shirik`	`that's because I don't scan in at high quality`
`00:51.25`	`Shirik`	`you forget, I don't have a digital camera`
`00:51.35`	`Thunder_Child`	`no, not forget, didnt know`
`00:51.39`	`Shirik`	`oh`
`00:51.42`	`Shirik`	`scroll up :P`
`00:51.51`	`Thunder_Child`	`wasnt here`
`00:52.01`	`Shirik`	`well you should have checked the channel logs`
`00:52.04`	`Shirik`	`it's not my fault you didn't`
`00:52.11`	`Thunder_Child`	`lol, bastard`
`00:52.13`	`Shirik`	`=P`
`00:52.18`	`Thunder_Child`	`i'm lazy, go to hell`
`00:53.00`	`Shirik`	`honestly, I think that picture was an accident`
`00:53.41`	`Shirik`	`anyway, to prove that IS and all that crap isn't needed`
`00:53.51`	`Shirik`	`Thunder_Child: That picture was taken with a point-and-shoot camera :) not an SLR or anything`
`00:54.06`	`Thunder_Child`	`that just proves that it IS needed`
`00:54.10`	`Thunder_Child`	`(no pun intended)`
`00:54.25`	`Shirik`	`?`
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`00:55.42`	`Thunder_Child`	`IS`
`00:56.00`	`Thunder_Child`	`reinforced "is" vs image stabilization`
`00:56.53`	`Shirik`	`no`
`00:56.59`	`Shirik`	`I mean why would it prove that it is needed?`
`00:57.16`	`Thunder_Child`	`because of the low quality`
`00:57.47`	`Shirik`	`no, that proves that my scanner needs to be improved :P`
`00:58.45`	`Thunder_Child`	`yours isnt blurry, but it also lacks definition`
`00:59.37`	`Thunder_Child`	`ah...here we go`
`00:59.40`	`Thunder_Child`	`http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=ModelInfoAct&fcategoryid=149&modelid=12955`
`00:59.50`	`Thunder_Child`	`17-55 f/2.8 IS USM`
`00:59.57`	`Shirik`	`yeah that's only up to 55`
`01:00.25`	`Thunder_Child`	`works for me, i will have a second lens to cover from ~55 and up`
`01:00.48`	`Thunder_Child`	`i just dont like the price of $900`
`01:02.29`	`Shirik`	`oh you foudn it?`
`01:02.36`	`Shirik`	`because I was looking all over for it and can't find it in their store`
`01:02.43`	`Thunder_Child`	`thats pricegrabber`
`01:02.57`	`Shirik`	`Yeah that's what I'm saying Thunder_Child, and that's exactly why I dislike lenses that try to go from 18 to 500000`
`01:03.10`	`Shirik`	`you just can't match everything like that`
`01:03.28`	`Thunder_Child`	`but i dont want to get one of them`
`01:03.48`	`Kirkburn`	`Anyone in the UK: clocks just went back an hour!`
`01:04.08`	`Corrodias`	`wait, -what- is why you dislike them?`
`01:04.33`	`Corrodias`	`not that i'm particularly interested, i just don't see where the reason was stated`
`01:04.46`	`Thunder_Child`	`Shirik, http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=ModelInfoAct&fcategoryid=150&modelid=7469 would be something to pair with the other one i linked`
`01:04.54`	`Shirik`	`basically it works like this: For any given lens, it will have a range of minimum f-stops across its various zooms`
`01:04.57`	`Thunder_Child`	`or http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=ModelInfoAct&fcategoryid=150&modelid=11922`
`01:05.13`	`Thunder_Child`	`the lower the zoom, the lower the f-stop`
`01:05.18`	`Shirik`	`as that range widens, so does the range of f-stops`
`01:05.40`	`Shirik`	`which means if you have a 18-55mm lens, it will most likely be able to hit a lower f-stop than a 18-200mm lens`
`01:05.46`	`Shirik`	`at, say, 50mm`
`01:06.02`	`Shirik`	`even if both can hit f/3.5 at 18mm`
`01:06.15`	`Corrodias`	`huh. i didn't understand more than a few words of the, mostly "lens"`
`01:06.19`	`Shirik`	`lol`
`01:06.23`	`Corrodias`	`i guess the reason was in there and i just didn't recognize it`
`01:06.30`	`Shirik`	`do you know what an aperture is?`
`01:06.45`	`Corrodias`	`that's an opening in something, yes?`
`01:06.57`	`Shirik`	`yeah, basically it controls the amount of light entering`
`01:07.28`	`Shirik`	`the side effect is as it tightens, the field-of-view (range of depths that appear to be in focus) increases`
`01:07.45`	`Kirkburn`	`yay physics`
`01:07.50`	`Shirik`	`so if you want to be able to see a person close to you along with a building miles away`
`01:07.57`	`Shirik`	`you'd want to use a very high f-stop to get both in focus`
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`01:08.06`	`Thunder_Child`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aperature`
`01:08.09`	`Kirkburn`	`And make them stand very very still :P`
`01:08.19`	`Corrodias`	`i just played portal, so i know what aperture science is >_>`
`01:08.26`	`Shirik`	`whereas for a picture like this: http://darkroommaster.deviantart.com/art/May-Flowers-7134349`
`01:08.29`	`Corrodias`	`what is f-stop?`
`01:08.30`	`Shirik`	`you want a very low one`
`01:08.37`	`Thunder_Child`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-stop`
`01:08.42`	`Corrodias`	`don't you wiki at ME`
`01:08.46`	`Thunder_Child`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-stop`
`01:08.48`	`JoshBorke`	`~wiki f-stop`
`01:08.49`	`Thunder_Child`	`:P`
`01:10.32`	`Shirik`	`("field of view" as I termed before is the same as "depth of field" as they describe in that article, if you're reading it)`
`01:11.05`	`Shirik`	`actually I think I used the wrong term`
`01:11.06`	`Shirik`	`oh well`
`01:11.21`	`Thunder_Child`	`far be it for me to say anything....`
`01:11.23`	`JoshBorke`	`pictures are fun`
`01:11.28`	`Corrodias`	`is it just me, or are most of nickelodeon's live action shows very unamusing?`
`01:11.36`	`Corrodias`	`at least the non-nick-at-nite ones`
`01:11.37`	`Shirik`	`<3 how Corrodias changes the subject`
`01:11.41`	`Shirik`	`anyway, i'm off to take a shower`
`01:11.51`	`Corrodias`	`optics + corr = what`
`01:12.22`	`Thunder_Child`	`s/what/wut/`
`01:12.35`	`Thunder_Child`	`wor whut`
`01:12.41`	`Thunder_Child`	`s/wor/or/`
`01:12.57`	`Shirik\|Shower`	`Corrodias: Let's just put it this way`
`01:13.14`	`Shirik\|Shower`	`f-stops are so relevant to how a picture turns out that for about 99% of my pictures, I take them in aperture priority mode`
`01:13.29`	`Shirik\|Shower`	`which means I set the f-stop, and the camera determines the rest of the settings to match that f-stop and make the picture correctly exposed`
`01:13.30`	`Corrodias`	`cool`
`01:13.42`	`Shirik\|Shower`	`anyway, /vanish`
`01:13.46`	`Thunder_Child`	`i cant :(`
`01:13.54`	`Shirik\|Shower`	`get a better camera :P`
`01:13.55`	`Thunder_Child`	`i'm not allowed to use AF or anything other than manual`
`01:13.59`	`Shirik\|Shower`	`oh`
`01:14.00`	`Shirik\|Shower`	`school?`
`01:14.03`	`Thunder_Child`	`ya`
`01:14.08`	`Shirik\|Shower`	`ah`
`01:14.23`	`Shirik\|Shower`	`I just don't feel like figuring that stuff out`
`01:14.27`	`Shirik\|Shower`	`I COULD, it's just a waste of time`
`01:14.38`	`Shirik\|Shower`	`unless I'm really messing with stuff like intentional underexposure`
`01:14.52`	`Thunder_Child`	`ya, for HDRL`
`01:15.00`	`Corrodias`	`high-definition real life?`
`01:15.11`	`Thunder_Child`	`High Dynamic Range Lighting`
`01:15.18`	`Thunder_Child`	`same things thats in HL2`
`01:15.22`	`Thunder_Child`	`thing*`
`01:15.28`	`Thunder_Child`	`err...ep 1 & 2 actually`
`01:15.31`	`Corrodias`	`oh yes, HDR lighting effects`
`01:15.39`	`Thunder_Child`	`they didnt put it in HL2`
`01:15.48`	`Corrodias`	`they did as far as i can tell`
`01:15.59`	`Corrodias`	`maybe it is just something similar, but the option is there in the engine`
`01:16.09`	`Thunder_Child`	`no....it was one of the big selling points of ep 1`
`01:16.31`	`Thunder_Child`	`you can do it in photography by taking multiple exposures of the same scene then fuxing with them in photoshop`
`01:16.35`	`Corrodias`	`i recall it being one of the big selling points for HL2, but maybe that was in a preview of hl2 that was in a magazine that they were talking about it in`
`01:17.29`	`Shirik\|Shower`	`"maybe that was in a preview of hl3 that was in a magazine that they were talking about it in"`
`01:17.32`	`Iriel`	`HL2: The Lost Coast was a free download, after HL2 came out, showcasting their HDR extensions to the engine`
`01:17.33`	`Shirik\|Shower`	`best sentence ever`
`01:17.42`	`Shirik\|Shower`	`hl2*`
`01:17.47`	`Thunder_Child`	`"hat does Valve have in store for us with the release of the HL2 Expansion Pack "Aftermath"? Will we see the incorporation of High Dynamic Range Lighting (HDRL - scheduled to be featured on the HL2 DM Map "The Lost Coast") in this new single-player extension?"`
`01:17.55`	`Corrodias`	`i think i have too many "in"s in that one`
`01:17.59`	`Shirik\|Shower`	`yeah :)`
`01:18.02`	`Thunder_Child`	`what Iriel said`
`01:18.40`	`Corrodias`	`hmm. well, i bought the Orange Box, which includes hl2:e1 and :e2, so maybe the feature was just incorporated into the engine`
`01:19.35`	`Iriel`	`Corrodias: It's in the engine now, yes`
`01:19.45`	`Thunder_Child`	`as Iriel pointed out it was incorperated with lost coaast (i mistook that for ep1) and everything after`
`01:19.50`	`Thunder_Child`	`coast*`
`01:20.04`	`Corrodias`	`interesting, but i thought i read a preview that talked about it. i must be mistaken.`
`01:20.20`	`Thunder_Child`	`they may have been talking about lost coast...`
`01:20.27`	`Thunder_Child`	`was a while ago though`
`01:20.55`	`Thunder_Child`	`damit, why are all the good lenses so damn expensive`
`01:20.59`	`Corrodias`	`yeah, it was ages ago`
`01:33.31`	`Shirik\|Shower`	`Thunder_Child: Doesnt' it make you mad when you realize... it's just a very high tech piece of glass?`
`01:33.41`	`Thunder_Child`	`nope`
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`01:36.37`	`Thunder_Child`	`because it's more than that`
`01:36.47`	`Corrodias`	`it's a well-crafted, high-tech piece of glass.`
`01:36.59`	`Thunder_Child`	`that has a very mechanical housing`
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`01:37.11`	`Corrodias`	`and magical pixie dust`
`01:37.15`	`Iriel`	`Plus a bunch of electronics`
`01:37.37`	`Corrodias`	`the dust is better`
`01:38.54`	`Corrodias`	`it makes it work magically`
`01:40.00`	`Corrodias`	`and now i need to decide whether or not i want to try installing new video drivers right now.`
`01:40.08`	`Shirik\|Shower`	`you know, it would actually be pretty cool to work on the electronics in a camera`
`01:40.20`	`Shirik\|Shower`	`I never thought about an internship at nikon or something`
`01:40.51`	`Corrodias`	`hey, not a bad idea`
`01:41.56`	`AnduinLothar`	`looks like they completely removed the spell dmg from the pally ret S3`
`01:45.21`	`Corrodias`	`yep, in favor of strength as i read`
`01:46.04`	`Thunder_Child`	`Shirik, so you wouldnt use something like http://www.sigmaphoto.com/lenses/lenses_all_details.asp?id=3329&navigator=6`
`01:46.48`	`Shirik`	`that page makes no sense`
`01:46.59`	`Shirik`	`one place it says f3.5 one place it says f2.8`
`01:47.41`	`Thunder_Child`	`it's f3.5`
`01:47.59`	`Shirik`	`see, thing is`
`01:48.13`	`Shirik`	`by the time you're at 50mm you're probably already at f/5.6`
`01:48.57`	`Shirik`	`I'd have to do math to figure it out exactly, but that's probably about right`
`01:49.07`	`Shirik`	`(and I really don't feel like doing that math :P`
`01:52.55`	`Thunder_Child`	`hmm..need to go scre waround with one of them`
`01:52.59`	`Thunder_Child`	`screw*`
`01:53.18`	`Shirik`	`<3 the login message`
`01:53.26`	`Shirik`	`"don't let some other orc get your phat lewtz in real life"`
`01:54.21`	`Thunder_Child`	`orc lovers....`
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`02:05.59`	`Industrial`	`better then.. dwarves :p`
`02:11.57`	`Thunder_Child`	`hardly`
`02:12.44`	`Corrodias`	`darnit, i don't remember which drivers i installed for my video here. i have two "tweaked" versions in my video drivers download folder, but whichever one i used didn't leave any distinctive features that i can identify`
`02:15.57`	`Corrodias`	`aha, there we go, a program files group.`
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`02:28.58`	`Shirik\|Ghost`	`o.o`
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`02:32.57`	`Shirik\|Ghost`	`ok so it's not just me`
`02:32.57`	`Thunder_Child`	`still you`
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`02:37.04`	`Corrodias`	`i must liiiike yooou~<3`
`02:37.04`	`Corrodias`	`okay, i've got about 6 different driver versions to try out later. but not tonight. i'm tired of this already.`
`02:37.06`	`Shirik\|Ghost`	`Cidan damn you`
`02:37.06`	`Shirik\|Ghost`	`it's your IPv6 causing the problem, isn't it!`
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`02:55.58`	`Thunder_Child`	`thats alot of people...`
`02:55.58`	`JoshBorke`	`Iriel: yes`
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`02:55.59`	`bleeter`	`splitters!!!`
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`03:16.52`	`Mike-N-Go_`	`Q: "Why aren't my lifetime honorable kills displayed?"`
`03:17.02`	`Mike-N-Go_`	`A: "In order to have your lifetime honorable kills displayed, you must have at least 1337 honorable kills."`
`03:17.31`	`Mike-N-Go_`	`In other-words, one must be leet.`
`03:17.45`	`Mike-N-Go_`	`Via the WoWArmory.`
`03:21.50`	`Cidan`	`holy splits?`
`03:22.05`	`Thunder_Child`	`...slow`
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`03:27.47`	`Mike-N-Go_`	`What causes netsplits?`
`03:29.12`	`Thunder_Child`	`a host server breaking off i think`
`03:29.33`	`Thunder_Child`	`breaking off from the freenode network`
`03:29.39`	`bleeter`	`loss of connectivity between the IRC servers. TCP/IP is not a guaranteed service. ;)`
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`03:37.44`	`Mike-N-Go_`	`How do I remove the '_' on my name?`
`03:41.35`	`Thunder_Child`	`/nick <name>`
`04:11.40`	`Intangir`	`whats the arena points cap?`
`04:13.12`	`dreamss`	`2 times the most expencive piece`
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`04:19.14`	`Shirik`	`dreamss are you sure about that?`
`04:20.47`	`dreamss`	`unless it got changed and i did not see the change`
`04:20.50`	`dreamss`	`im sure its that`
`04:21.02`	`Shirik`	`maybe I'm not understanding something`
`04:21.04`	`Shirik`	`but it seems way off`
`04:21.10`	`Shirik`	`OH`
`04:21.16`	`Shirik`	`you mean total stored at once`
`04:23.05`	`dreamss`	`Point Cap 75,000 5,000`
`04:23.12`	`dreamss`	`its a hard cap now it seems`
`04:23.19`	`dreamss`	`5k arena points`
`04:24.28`	`Intangir`	`k well i bought something to stay under cap..`
`04:24.33`	`Intangir`	`1000 AP thrown weapon`
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`04:51.46`	`Tierrie_`	`like iriel`
`04:51.54`	`Thunder_Child`	`they do`
`04:51.59`	`Tierrie_`	`like 10mm`
`04:52.01`	`Tierrie_`	`not in efs`
`04:53.01`	`Thunder_Child`	`i dunno, ask canon`
`04:54.08`	`Iriel`	`Does anyone else (Tamron etc) make one?`
`04:54.08`	`Thunder_Child`	`nikon i think does http://www.nikonusa.com/template.php?cat=1&grp=5&productNr=2148`
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`04:54.56`	`Thunder_Child`	`sigma has an 8mm one http://www.sigmaphoto.com/lenses/lenses_all_details.asp?id=3319&navigator=4`
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`05:02.05`	`mikma`	`humm`
`05:02.13`	`mikma`	`so, how does the personal rating work in 2.3?`
`05:02.16`	`mikma`	`how do you gain it?`
`05:31.09`	`dreamss`	`\from ur the wins u played`
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`05:41.45`	`Thunder_Child`	`cool....i may have to do that http://forum.osx86scene.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=2008&start=0&st=0&sk=t&sd=a`
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`06:12.44`	`Fin`	`Industrial: do you mean to distirbute idQuestAutomation as an SVN archive? Google Code prompts for a username & password if I try and svn update`
`06:13.10`	`art3mis`	`iquest?`
`06:13.23`	`art3mis`	`just an atuo gossip accept complete thingy?`
`06:13.29`	`Fin`	`random phrase?`
`06:13.29`	`mikma`	`Fin: try it like http://, not https://`
`06:13.29`	`Fin`	`oh`
`06:13.30`	`Fin`	`yeah`
`06:13.37`	`Cairenn`	`http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7091-idQuestAutomation.html`
`06:14.00`	`Fin`	`yes, that's where I downloaded it from, Cairenn`
`06:14.07`	`Fin`	`the zip extracts into an SVN archive`
`06:14.30`	`Fin`	`mikma: I'm not specifying a URL to update from`
`06:15.09`	`Fin`	`-zip+rar, possibly`
`06:22.27`	`art3mis`	`fin`
`06:22.30`	`Fin`	`art`
`06:22.37`	`art3mis`	`just remove the .svn or "export" it`
`06:23.00`	`Fin`	`whu? thank you for your kind suggestions everyone, but I'm not having any problems`
`06:23.12`	`Fin`	`I'm just trying to point out to Industrial what seems like a mistake - although might not be, I dunno`
`06:23.45`	`Fin`	`that's all, thanks though`
`06:24.30`	`Fin`	`(I can't think of any reason that you'd want to distribute an addon .rar as an SVN archive with the server set to one that is password protected, is what I mean)`
`06:24.35`	`art3mis`	`heh it prolly is`
`06:24.57`	`art3mis`	`im guessing he just fergot and zipped up his active svn one and not the redistro one`
`06:25.11`	`Fin`	`yeah, that's what I would guess at too`
`06:25.53`	`art3mis`	`he's funny that way`
`06:25.53`	`Cairenn`	`hey Industrial, you suk!`
`06:25.53`	`art3mis`	`OR he's trying to convince everyone to use gogle code ;P`
`06:25.53`	`art3mis`	`google`
`06:25.53`	`Fin`	`he's not doing a very good job if that's the case :P`
`06:25.53`	`art3mis`	`and this was the easiest way to get everyone to sign up ;P`
`06:26.11`	`Fin`	`he should make it a public archive then :)`
`06:26.31`	`Fin`	`but, hmm`
`06:26.36`	`Fin`	`that's an interesting point`
`06:26.49`	`Cairenn`	`I like my summation better :p`
`06:27.19`	`Fin`	`I think your summery can live in peaceful coexistence with the rest of it`
`06:27.26`	`art3mis`	`if he suk's though at least he's useful ;)`
`06:27.35`	`Fin`	`so are frying pans`
`06:27.46`	`Fin`	`I leave you to draw your own conclusions`
`06:27.47`	`art3mis`	`yes but not in the same way ;)`
`06:28.01`	`art3mis`	`although sometimes food does win out`
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`06:33.14`	`Thunder_Child`	`must be another one of those late night weird fests`
`06:34.02`	`Fin`	`your mum`
`06:34.05`	`Fin`	`on toast`
`06:35.28`	`Thunder_Child`	`maybe`
`06:35.45`	`Fin`	`your mum, naked and petrified`
`06:35.45`	`art3mis`	`you seems perplexed tc`
`06:35.52`	`Fin`	`no wait`
`06:35.55`	`Fin`	`that's natalie portman`
`06:35.56`	`art3mis`	`you'd think after all these nights it would just be common place`
`06:36.10`	`Thunder_Child`	`perplexed that i missed it is all`
`06:36.24`	`art3mis`	`i'm sum it up`
`06:36.55`	`art3mis`	`fin leeched a bad addon, bitched confusedly, i offered solutions, cairenn called industrial lame, then we were talking about frying pans and sex`
`06:37.07`	`art3mis`	`you're now up to date`
`06:37.13`	`Fin`	`+ Thunder's mum`
`06:37.14`	`Fin`	`Thundermum`
`06:37.20`	`Thunder_Child`	`ty art3mis`
`06:37.31`	`art3mis`	`oh yes and yer mom on toast`
`06:37.34`	`Thunder_Child`	`Fin, you seem to have had a rough night`
`06:37.38`	`Thunder_Child`	`so i'll go easy on you`
`06:37.54`	`Fin`	`rough can be exciting`
`06:38.14`	`Thunder_Child`	`otherwise i whould say something like "ah, then that would be necro-toast"`
`06:38.18`	`Thunder_Child`	`would*`
`06:38.28`	`Fin`	`I think`
`06:38.29`	`Fin`	`wait`
`06:38.32`	`Fin`	`no, I think you just did`
`06:38.49`	`art3mis`	`you're like some sort of necromancer.. is that the sex one? no...`
`06:38.57`	`Fin`	`mumtoast?`
`06:39.01`	`art3mis`	`you should leech pushing daisies`
`06:39.06`	`art3mis`	`its an awesome show`
`06:39.10`	`Fin`	`ooh`
`06:39.12`	`Fin`	`thank you`
`06:39.13`	`art3mis`	`it's by the guy that did Dead Like Me`
`06:39.28`	`art3mis`	`and its got kristin chenowyth in it`
`06:39.29`	`Fin`	`I know not of Dead Like Me`
`06:39.34`	`art3mis`	`oh leech that too`
`06:39.45`	`art3mis`	`graveside humour at its best`
`06:39.45`	`Cairenn`	`did not! wasn't me! wasn't here! can't prove it!`
`06:40.04`	`art3mis`	`<Cairenn> hey Industrial, you suk!`
`06:40.04`	`Fin`	`oh! wait I think I know that`
`06:40.06`	`art3mis`	`can so!`
`06:40.07`	`Fin`	`+one`
`06:40.11`	`Fin`	`it's about a girl who dies?`
`06:40.12`	`Cairenn`	`nope!`
`06:40.14`	`art3mis`	`yeah`
`06:40.15`	`Fin`	`she has to collect souls?`
`06:40.20`	`Fin`	`k, cool`
`06:40.24`	`art3mis`	`pushing daises is the same writer`
`06:40.29`	`Fin`	`I'd forgotten about it actually`
`06:40.34`	`Fin`	`k. how many seasons?`
`06:40.40`	`art3mis`	`first seasons so far`
`06:40.43`	`Fin`	`ah`
`06:40.46`	`art3mis`	`season`
`06:40.49`	`Fin`	`I might wait... I hate having to wait for more episodes`
`06:40.50`	`art3mis`	`4 or 5 eps`
`06:40.59`	`art3mis`	`its totally worth it`
`06:41.08`	`Fin`	`yeah, but I'll just want to watch more`
`06:41.10`	`Fin`	`I hate that`
`06:41.26`	`art3mis`	`i cant think of the style its done in`
`06:41.51`	`art3mis`	`thers a voice over that tells back stories and flashbacks`
`06:42.06`	`art3mis`	`and its all super cheerful and surreal like serries of unfortunate events`
`06:42.12`	`Fin`	`I vowed never to start watching any tv series that didn't have at least 3 seasons under its belt, after one too many times of screaming in frustration that a particular tv series was taking too long to produce its next episode`
`06:42.34`	`art3mis`	`like deadwood ;P`
`06:42.41`	`art3mis`	`that pissed me off soooo much`
`06:42.46`	`art3mis`	`just up and stopped`
`06:43.10`	`Fin`	`who says I'm wearing pants`
`06:43.43`	`Fin`	`(night Cairenn)`
`06:44.07`	`art3mis`	`can i have those back fin`
`06:44.13`	`Thunder_Child`	`sadly there is no shows left to watch that are over one ep`
`06:44.15`	`Fin`	`later`
`06:44.18`	`Thunder_Child`	`s/ep/season/`
`06:44.22`	`art3mis`	`nods`
`06:44.32`	`Thunder_Child`	`well, no good ones anyways`
`06:44.33`	`art3mis`	`there are some good ones starting but they'll prolly be cancelled`
`06:44.42`	`Thunder_Child`	`atm i am so bored i am rewatching houes`
`06:44.46`	`Thunder_Child`	`house`
`06:44.48`	`art3mis`	`numbers is good`
`06:44.52`	`Thunder_Child`	`seen em all`
`06:44.54`	`Fin`	`my favourite genre - I think it deserves to be a genre of its own - is star trek`
`06:44.56`	`Thunder_Child`	`seen it* all`
`06:45.05`	`Thunder_Child`	`seen everyone of them`
`06:45.07`	`art3mis`	`criminal minds just isnt the same without mandy patakin`
`06:45.15`	`Fin`	`seven seasons, 21+ episodes per season, and four, er, whatever they're called`
`06:45.23`	`Fin`	`it was awesome`
`06:45.39`	`Thunder_Child`	`voyager was my fav, then DS9`
`06:45.42`	`art3mis`	`you know 66-72 about 90 episodes 11 good ones`
`06:45.57`	`Fin`	`Thunder_Child: same here!`
`06:46.06`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`(MASH)`
`06:46.15`	`Thunder_Child`	`seen every mash ep as well`
`06:46.18`	`Fin`	`I didn't quite understand that art3mis`
`06:46.23`	`art3mis`	`jhehe go leech all the MAS*H eps ;P`
`06:46.23`	`Fin`	`because you didn't make much sense`
`06:46.29`	`art3mis`	`fin: its a quote from futurama`
`06:46.35`	`art3mis`	`the star trek episode`
`06:46.39`	`art3mis`	`when hes talking to spock`
`06:46.39`	`Fin`	`aha`
`06:46.58`	`Fin`	`aside: Robot Chicken - fantastico`
`06:47.09`	`art3mis`	`lets see what other shows are awesome`
`06:47.15`	`Fin`	`Heroes`
`06:47.17`	`art3mis`	`journey man isnt too bad`
`06:47.26`	`art3mis`	`but i cant shake that he's not a centurion`
`06:47.27`	`Fin`	`The Wire`
`06:47.31`	`Fin`	`Quantum Leap`
`06:47.42`	`Fin`	`The Pretender`
`06:47.59`	`art3mis`	`that was a good show`
`06:48.02`	`art3mis`	`Hunter!`
`06:48.07`	`art3mis`	`go download hunter eps!`
`06:48.08`	`Fin`	`?`
`06:48.17`	`art3mis`	`it was a cop show`
`06:48.24`	`Corrodias`	`well, that's the end of half-life 2`
`06:48.30`	`Corrodias`	`GREAT ending for a game!`
`06:48.47`	`Fin`	`sshh`
`06:48.50`	`Fin`	`don't give it away`
`06:49.13`	`Corrodias`	`YOU SEE WHAT HAPPENS IS THAT THE-`
`06:49.14`	`Fin`	`also, welcome to the new millenium!`
`06:49.27`	`Corrodias`	`thanks. i just recently bought the orange box, haven't played any of them before`
`06:49.51`	`Fin`	`that is a sin; you will be punished accordingly come judgement day`
`06:50.39`	`Corrodias`	`well, i'm enjoying it all quite a bit. Portal too.`
`06:50.58`	`Fin`	`fuckin great isn't it`
`06:51.00`	`Corrodias`	`the only problem with hl2 in my eyes was that there was a lot of action... too much, actually, and not enough story`
`06:51.48`	`Corrodias`	`not that i'd want less action, but it got sometimes to the point that i was getting tired of shotgunning faces off and hoping something interesting would happen soon`
`06:55.19`	`Corrodias`	`it does kinda make me want to go back and play half-life, though. i think i played it, but... i don't really remember it well`
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`07:09.56`	`art3mis`	`shirik eats bugs`
`07:10.44`	`Corrodias`	`so i expect eps 1 and 2 are the continuing adventures of the freeman`
`07:11.57`	`Shirik`	`Can someone explain to me the basic difference between userdata and light userdata? (Or exactly what light userdata is?) I've searched the manual and it makes many references to the term "light userdata" but I can't find anywhere it actually says "This is what light userdata is:"`
`07:13.31`	`zenzelezz`	`A light userdatum is a value that represents a C pointer (that is, a void * value). Because it is a value, we do not create them (in the same way that we do not create numbers).`
`07:13.37`	`zenzelezz`	`http://www.lua.org/pil/28.5.html`
`07:13.43`	`Corrodias`	`i have never heard of such a thing`
`07:14.26`	`Thunder_Child`	`i create numbers`
`07:14.40`	`Thunder_Child`	`i created blorb, the number that exists after all ofther numbers have given up`
`07:14.48`	`Thunder_Child`	`other*`
`07:16.26`	`Shirik`	`thanks zenzelezz that makes quite a bit of sense`
`07:23.21`	`Corrodias`	`i have a number that nobody has ever seen before`
`07:23.25`	`Corrodias`	`2348069613100000000000000000000`
`07:23.34`	`Neebler`	`2348069613100000000000000000000 AND 1`
`07:23.53`	`Corrodias`	`i'm sorry, that number appeared in my CPU just last thursday`
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`07:24.36`	`art3mis`	`hey look everyone its Xuerian`
`07:24.46`	`Xuerian`	`Scary.`
`07:25.39`	`Corrodias`	`hmm, people seem... underwhelmed at half-life: source. what's so unimpressive about it?`
`07:25.58`	`art3mis`	`it's half life?`
`07:26.22`	`Xuerian`	`Again?`
`07:27.03`	`Corrodias`	`i mean, people give the impression that it could have been better while still being hl`
`07:27.20`	`art3mis`	`the new one?`
`07:27.33`	`Corrodias`	`i don't understand your question`
`07:27.43`	`art3mis`	`the main complaint from what i can tell is that its taken too long for being as short as it was`
`07:27.44`	`Xuerian`	`Half-Life1: source`
`07:28.00`	`art3mis`	`when i hear source i think source code`
`07:28.12`	`art3mis`	`thus my confusion originally`
`07:28.19`	`Corrodias`	`ah`
`07:28.36`	`Corrodias`	`was HL short? i don't remember >_<`
`07:29.05`	`art3mis`	`and since ive never played hl i assumed you meant the new one that just came out`
`07:29.15`	`art3mis`	`shrug`
`07:29.38`	`art3mis`	`so now im not entirely sure of the original quesiton in its context so i'll shush now`
`07:50.16`	`Corrodias`	`gotta let all that half-life 2 storyline sink in, though... hmm`
`07:50.34`	`Corrodias`	`all that little bit of story spread out over hours... :(`
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`07:55.31`	`Xuerian`	`'Twasn't the deepest of tales`
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`08:05.19`	`Corrodias`	`i can tell they didn't have to hire a novelist for it`
`08:05.52`	`Corrodias`	`news at 11: stephen king was NOT involved in the development of the half-life series ;)`
`08:07.59`	`zenzelezz`	`I think they had a story writer for HL1 at least`
`08:09.46`	`Thunder_Child`	`they were interesting storylines`
`08:10.03`	`Thunder_Child`	`there really isnt any such creature as a deep involved FPS`
`08:10.18`	`Thunder_Child`	`dues ex was close...but still not`
`08:10.29`	`Thunder_Child`	`nothing comes as close as an rpg`
`08:10.41`	`zenzelezz`	`aye`
`08:11.17`	`Thunder_Child`	`and nothing comes as close as a story.`
`08:12.01`	`Thunder_Child`	`imagination created the world around us, i wonder what it's going to create next`
`08:16.02`	`Xuerian`	`Ahh.... The deep ponderings of a coder's chat channel at 4am.`
`08:17.49`	`Thunder_Child`	`1 am for some of us`
`08:18.10`	`Xuerian`	`Lies, there is one time!`
`08:18.22`	`Xuerian`	`./random.`
`08:18.52`	`Thunder_Child`	`~ugt`
`08:18.53`	`purl`	`rumour has it, ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html`
`08:19.02`	`Shirik`	`it's 4am here`
`08:19.19`	`Shirik`	`and for some reason I've been reading the same paragraph for the last hour`
`08:19.22`	`Shirik`	`and I still don't understand it`
`08:19.48`	`Xuerian`	`o.0`
`08:19.50`	`Xuerian`	`Linksies?`
`08:20.08`	`Shirik`	`it's part of pil`
`08:20.15`	`Xuerian`	`Thunder_Child: But where lies the nexus of that which is neither coming nor going?`
`08:20.21`	`Xuerian`	`Shirik: Linksies >_>`
`08:20.25`	`Shirik`	`http://www.lua.org/pil/28.3.html`
`08:20.35`	`Shirik`	`the Lua part I get, the C part I don't`
`08:20.45`	`Shirik`	`and this is something I need to do in C`
`08:20.54`	`Thunder_Child`	`Xuerian, the nexus is everywhere, for the answer is there`
`08:21.12`	`Shirik`	`You must construct additional pylons.`
`08:22.21`	`Xuerian`	`My life for Aiur >.<`
`08:22.46`	`zenzelezz`	`all you need to do is reverse the polarity of the nexus`
`08:22.54`	`Corrodias`	`you need more pylons`
`08:23.45`	`Shirik`	`zenzelezz: If we did that, then the nexus would give us -1 Psi instead of 1 Psi`
`08:23.49`	`Shirik`	`why would we want to do that?`
`08:24.13`	`Corrodias`	`re: Opposing Force, "If the player enters Freeman's Xen portal, the game will end, accusing the player of trying to rewrite history - "Evaluation terminated: Subject attempted to create a temporal paradox.""`
`08:24.26`	`Corrodias`	`you know, i didn't realize that this was NOT the correct ending point of the game, back when i played it?`
`08:24.27`	`Corrodias`	`i quit there`
`08:24.33`	`zenzelezz`	`:-o`
`08:24.39`	`Shirik`	`rofl`
`08:27.52`	`Thunder_Child`	`wow...how old were you Corrodias?`
`08:28.49`	`Corrodias`	`meh, it was some years ago`
`08:28.59`	`Thunder_Child`	`is not an answer`
`08:29.07`	`Corrodias`	`indeed it isn't. i don't know the answer.`
`08:29.21`	`Corrodias`	`could be around 15, could be more, could be less`
`08:29.44`	`Thunder_Child`	`hmm...thats kind of a break even point for stupidity...guess i will have to let you go on this one`
`08:29.57`	`Corrodias`	`i recall it being dissatisfying, but i think i was itching to move on to another game at that time anyway so i didn't miss it`
`08:30.09`	`Corrodias`	`it being the opportunity to play it more`
`08:44.36`	`Thunder_Child`	`nothin like picking up an "official" torrent and having it fail it's CRC check`
`08:45.01`	`Fisker-`	`fail Thunder_Child`
`08:45.02`	`Fisker-`	`FAIL`
`08:45.20`	`Thunder_Child`	`that was so not me`
`08:46.00`	`Thunder_Child`	`i swear dicipline is going to be the "pvp" tree`
`08:46.12`	`Thunder_Child`	`stupid focused will talent`
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`08:53.14`	`nevcairiel`	`Hm`
`08:53.25`	`nevcairiel`	`anyone else seen very weird behaviour in latest PTR patch?`
`08:53.55`	`Fisker-`	`like monkeys falling from the sky?`
`08:54.22`	`art3mis`	`coughs`
`08:54.32`	`Corrodias`	`night elves suddenly deciding not to bunny hop?`
`08:54.38`	`art3mis`	`so anyone put out any super neato addons lately?`
`08:54.54`	`art3mis`	`wait NE's can walk now?`
`08:54.57`	`art3mis`	`since when`
`08:55.12`	`Corrodias`	`new in 2.3, i guess!`
`08:55.13`	`Xuerian`	`We don't walk. We bounce.`
`08:55.22`	`Xuerian`	`Anyone who says otherwise lies`
`08:55.23`	`art3mis`	`thats what i thought`
`08:56.12`	`art3mis`	`so 1 60day GC is still up for grabs on my Code art3mis an Addon Bounty`
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`09:05.34`	`Corrodias`	`i love bits of trivia like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GoldSrc`
`09:11.30`	`Thunder_Child`	`Corrodias, that is interesting`
`09:11.55`	`Thunder_Child`	`looks like the next bit of licenced enginge will be the cryengine....if people are smart`
`09:12.48`	`Shirik`	`so lua is more awesome then I had ever imagined before`
`09:13.29`	`Corrodias`	`it is?`
`09:13.50`	`Shirik`	`finally all the nerves in my brain have connected together and I have a full understanding on how userdata works, how C code handles Lua references without worrying that it might be GCed (that is, how Lua knows a C reference exists)`
`09:13.58`	`Shirik`	`all this neat little stuff finally makes one big picture`
`09:14.59`	`Thunder_Child`	`there is always room for more understanding`
`09:15.07`	`Shirik`	`well yes`
`09:15.25`	`Shirik`	`I know I don't know everything about it, but it's definitely much cooler now than I thought it was 24 hours ago`
`09:22.21`	`nevcairiel`	`meh, PTR really seems broken, or something, i get really weird behaviour`
`09:25.42`	`Corrodias`	`"While it was believed that that Eli's face and body were modeled after Bill Cobbs, the resemblance is coincidential: Eli is actually based on Larry "The Count" Heard, a local man holding a sign indicating that he was looking for work. Valve found him on the corner of Highway 520 and 148th Avenue in Redmond and hired him as a model."`
`09:25.49`	`Corrodias`	`what do you mean, "weird behavior"?`
`09:26.33`	`nevcairiel`	`getglobal("MCP_AddonListEntry"..i.."Title") returns a number value, while on live it returns the frame its supposed to return`
`09:26.49`	`Corrodias`	`huh...`
`09:26.53`	`Corrodias`	`that is weird`
`09:27.07`	`Corrodias`	`are there other oddities you've noticed?`
`09:27.21`	`nevcairiel`	`i had a million errors when i logged in with my full addons`
`09:27.33`	`nevcairiel`	`i disabled all and only wanted to load MCP and DevTools`
`09:27.37`	`nevcairiel`	`but devtools wont load at all`
`09:27.39`	`nevcairiel`	`and MCP is broken`
`09:27.48`	`Corrodias`	`i haven't heard of any big UI changes other than the mail thing, so that HAS to be something screwed up!`
`09:31.25`	`nevcairiel`	`and i got this while trying to run some slash commands`
`09:31.25`	`nevcairiel`	`http://wowi.pastey.net/76042`
`09:37.47`	`nevcairiel`	`i think there is something fishy going on`
`09:40.49`	`nevcairiel`	`now it changed into a userdata value from that number value earlier`
`09:41.57`	`nevcairiel`	`I mean, it even happesn with everything off, and only Blizz_FeedbackUI active`
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`09:43.53`	`Nom-`	`umm`
`09:44.02`	`Nom-`	`Anyone know what's going on with pally gear?`
`09:44.10`	`Nom-`	`They took all spell damage off the S3 Arena gear`
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`09:47.45`	`Nom-`	`It's all good and well to give us warrior gear with +int, but we need spell dmg still :(`
`09:47.54`	`Nom-`	`That gear is actually good for Horde paladins, not alliance tho`
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`09:55.36`	`the-golem`	`Nom-: yeah i saw that, and the added to teh str, which i thought was crap`
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`10:37.47`	`Nom-`	`the-golem: Yeah, it's great for Horde, who just use Seal of Blood`
`10:37.50`	`Nom-`	`But sucks for Alliance`
`10:38.59`	`the-golem`	`seal of blood?`
`10:39.02`	`the-golem`	`thats a horde spell?`
`10:39.10`	`Nom-`	`Yes`
`10:39.15`	`the-golem`	`:-(`
`10:39.24`	`Nom-`	`Seal of Blood / Seal of Vengeance`
`10:39.25`	`the-golem`	`what did the alliance get in lieu of that?`
`10:39.34`	`Nom-`	`Those are the racial seals`
`10:39.42`	`the-golem`	`ah`
`10:39.49`	`the-golem`	`i wasnt aware there were racial seals`
`10:39.55`	`Nom-`	`SoV is good for tanking, but SoB is good for dps`
`10:40.11`	`Nom-`	`It's 35% weapon damage on every swing`
`10:40.31`	`the-golem`	`nice`
`10:40.37`	`the-golem`	`for them`
`10:40.41`	`Nom-`	`Modified only by your melee stats (str/crit) so there's no point having spell damage for that seal`
`10:41.18`	`the-golem`	`whats the one that does holy damage each swing?`
`10:41.45`	`Nom-`	`Which one? :P`
`10:41.55`	`Nom-`	`Seal of Blood does 35% of weapon damage as holy every swing`
`10:41.56`	`the-golem`	`hmm`
`10:42.06`	`the-golem`	`alliance side`
`10:42.25`	`Nom-`	`Seal of Righteousness does holy damage each swing, but it's a fixed value (effectively)`
`10:42.29`	`the-golem`	`:-(`
`10:42.35`	`the-golem`	`thats what i was thinking of`
`10:42.49`	`the-golem`	`does it get better as u level?`
`10:42.50`	`Nom-`	`It's affected by spell damage, but no amount of spell damage will ever get it up close to Seal of Blood on a well geared ret pally`
`10:43.07`	`Nom-`	`Well kinda`
`10:43.17`	`the-golem`	`like, does it have ranks?`
`10:43.32`	`Nom-`	`with 700 spell damage, sanctity aura, judgemnet of the crusader it'll hit for about 250 per swing on a 1.8 speed weapon`
`10:43.45`	`Nom-`	`Seal of Blood, no... it's a fixed 35%`
`10:43.54`	`the-golem`	`i liked it cuz it doubled my damage pretty much`
`10:43.58`	`the-golem`	`no not Seal of Blood`
`10:44.23`	`Nom-`	`Seal of Righteousness, yes.. it has ranks all the way to 70`
`10:44.32`	`the-golem`	`oooh`
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`10:55.26`	`Nom-`	`I suspect they're not done yet though`
`10:55.57`	`Nom-`	`They wouldn't make the latest and greatest set of Paladin gear and have no spell damage... it complete gimps non-Blood Elf paladins`
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`13:32.59`	`Legorol`	`morning`
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`13:33.21`	`Legorol`	`question about attacking from behind: i read that a mob can't block or parry if you attack from behind, but`
`13:33.40`	`Legorol`	`do those attacks get converted to misses, or hits in the combat table?`
`13:34.38`	`JoshBorke`	`i'm going to go with hits`
`13:36.14`	`nevcairiel`	`blocks and parrys are basicly hits`
`13:36.24`	`nevcairiel`	`your enemy just counterd them`
`13:36.33`	`nevcairiel`	`a miss is your fault for not hitting =P`
`13:36.47`	`zenzelezz`	`good point`
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`13:40.10`	`zenzelezz`	`I find it a bit amusing how much damage I do using Revenge in a full raid`
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`14:10.44`	`Xuerian`	`PANCAAAAAAAAKEE`
`14:14.27`	`Wobin`	`oh god =(`
`14:14.28`	`Wobin`	`http://www.worldofraids.com/news/october/2.3/sporebat.jpg`
`14:14.37`	`Wobin`	`the one reason to get sporegar exalted =P`
`14:14.44`	`nevcairiel`	`i even have it already!`
`14:15.03`	`nevcairiel`	`the exalted thing, was too lazy to collect 30 glowcaps on ptr`
`14:15.04`	`nevcairiel`	`:P`
`14:15.50`	`zenzelezz`	`yes, cause getting Glowcaps is much more demanding than getting exalted :-)`
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`14:19.01`	`nevcairiel`	`meh, that was PTR`
`14:19.04`	`nevcairiel`	`why spend the time`
`14:19.19`	`nevcairiel`	`i'll collect them on live`
`14:19.23`	`Xuerian`	`Blah. Why do they make the fun stuff, the hard to get stuff`
`14:20.03`	`Xuerian`	`I could care less for T4/5/6, but damn it all, I want that Tiny Spore Bat. >.<`
`14:20.07`	`nevcairiel`	`lol`
`14:20.13`	`nevcairiel`	`its not too bad to get`
`14:20.17`	`nevcairiel`	`just buy the stuff on the AH`
`14:21.05`	`Xuerian`	`What stuff o.0`
`14:21.34`	`nevcairiel`	`to get the reputation`
`14:21.58`	`nevcairiel`	`sanguine hibiscus up to exalted`
`14:21.59`	`nevcairiel`	`and done`
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`14:23.08`	`Xuerian`	`haha, a shrubbery`
`14:23.21`	`Industrial`	`< Fin> Industrial: do you mean to distirbute idQuestAutomation as an SVN archive? Google Code prompts for a username & password if I try and svn update`
`14:23.31`	`Industrial`	`oh I forgot to take out the .svn's`
`14:23.44`	`Xuerian`	`lol.`
`14:23.49`	`Industrial`	`Fin: no, they are tags anywhere so won't be updated :)`
`14:24.00`	`Industrial`	`s/anywhere/anyway/`
`14:35.19`	`Xuerian`	`nevcairiel: Only 2k gold to buy enough Sanguine Hibiscus, supposing more than 36 end up on the market at any time >.>`
`14:35.47`	`foxlit`	`There's a quest to kill more naga?`
`14:39.18`	`Xuerian`	`Screw the sporebat, I like my festival flame >_>`
`14:46.40`	`Fin`	`Industrial: didn't think so, just thought I'd mention it :)`
`14:47.01`	`Industrial`	`Fin: right :) Ill take them out in the next updates`
`15:01.56`	`zenzelezz`	`setting up the controls in Armed Assault, as it was in Flashpoint, is so darn tricky... need the mouse sensitivity and keyboard shortcuts all just right... especially when trying to patrol a helicopter in winds`
`15:04.01`	`Industrial`	`Question: Can I play Battlefield2 without having to create an account with a key and all that? :P`
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`16:17.43`	`Industrial`	`Anyone very familiar with google code/any other place I should ask this?`
`16:17.45`	`Industrial`	`http://code.google.com/p/wow-industrial/downloads/list`
`16:17.56`	`Industrial`	`if you click on the ... in the topright you see a toc column`
`16:18.12`	`Industrial`	`I added TOC-20100 and TOC-20200 tags ot my files, and it displays it nciely - but not by default.`
`16:18.18`	`Industrial`	`Can I make this default?`
`16:20.03`	`foxlit`	`Hrm`
`16:20.16`	`foxlit`	`You'd think someone like google can figure out what I meant by "snyi-ftuh"`
`16:21.00`	`foxlit`	`But no, their guess is snyi-tpub`
`16:32.14`	`zenzelezz`	`so what did you mean?`
`16:33.52`	`Industrial`	`:p`
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`16:58.13`	`Shirik`	`I know in Java, if you have a static method it is implied that it is public. In C++, is the same true? I think I found a valid use for a private static function.`
`16:58.32`	`Iriel`	`That's actually not true in java`
`16:58.37`	`Shirik`	`ok then the guy lied on the forums`
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`16:58.51`	`Iriel`	`You may be confusing a static FIELD in an INTERFACE`
`16:59.12`	`Iriel`	`static methods can be whatever you need them to be, they've got the same visibility rules as non-statics`
`16:59.33`	`Shirik`	`oh maybe. He didn't say interface but they were talking about interfaces a little bit before that so`
`16:59.36`	`Iriel`	`And I dont recall any limitations on C++`
`16:59.57`	`Iriel`	`public interface Constants ( String NAME = "Name"; }`
`17:00.08`	`Iriel`	`for example,. NAME is implicitly public static final`
`17:00.31`	`Shirik`	`got it`
`17:01.10`	`Shirik`	`Lua userdata is bashing my head in but I think I finally got this all figured out. Came to me in a dream ^^`
`17:02.05`	`Iriel`	`I find the shower more productive than dreams, but both are very handy idea factories`
`17:02.23`	`Shirik`	`hm`
`17:02.25`	`Shirik`	`I take that back :/`
`17:02.39`	`Shirik`	`Signal.obj : error LNK2001: unresolved external symbol "protected: static int __cdecl CSignal::LuaSigBind(struct lua_State *)" (?LuaSigBind@CSignal@@KAHPAUlua_State@@@Z)`
`17:02.46`	`Shirik`	`oh oops`
`17:02.51`	`Shirik`	`no that was a stupid mistake >.>`
`17:02.56`	`Iriel`	`Do you have to declare it has having a C binding?`
`17:03.10`	`cladhaire`	`Iriel: i haven't set an external volume yet, so i can't look`
`17:03.20`	`cladhaire`	`but the default wallpaper and the overly time machiney theming bothers me somehow :P`
`17:03.31`	`Iriel`	`lua's all C so it may be tricky to couple it directly to a C++ object without an intermediate function`
`17:03.41`	`Iriel`	`cladhaire: Yeah, I'm not a huge fan of the wallpaper`
`17:03.45`	`Shirik`	`no I just didn't use to have it in the class so I need to adjust the definition of it, that's the linker problem at least`
`17:03.52`	`Shirik`	`I'm not sure what's going to happen when I try to call it from Lua but about to find out :)`
`17:04.31`	`Iriel`	`cladhaire: Parallels isn't quite behaving right after the upgrade, i'm going to blame them for that though, rather than apple.`
`17:06.45`	`cladhaire`	`i haven't reinstalled vmware`
`17:06.48`	`cladhaire`	`heh`
`17:08.45`	`Iriel`	`and I'm so pleased they finally added a remote desktop feature to the OS without an extra product`
`17:09.33`	`cladhaire`	`well you could always vnc into the machine`
`17:09.37`	`cladhaire`	`well since rd2.0`
`17:09.43`	`cladhaire`	`but having vnc:// urls natively is nice.`
`17:09.58`	`Iriel`	`Hm, I had all sorts of problems with VNC, i'm not sure why`
`17:10.27`	`cladhaire`	`GCalDaemon doesn't work with iCal 3.0`
`17:10.27`	`cladhaire`	`so I'm trying to work through that.`
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`17:36.41`	`Tem`	`lol... linux is so finiky`
`17:36.55`	`Tem`	`I broke X by trying to configure my mouse`
`17:37.24`	`Iriel`	`Hm. that's not "normal"`
`17:38.07`	`Iriel`	`But the quality of configuration utilities is less than could be desired`
`17:38.09`	`Iriel`	`What did you do to your mouse?`
`17:38.43`	`Thunder_Child`	`can be, i broke x-windows 15 times in class`
`17:38.53`	`Thunder_Child`	`that was about...2 months wortth`
`17:38.56`	`Thunder_Child`	`worth*`
`17:42.28`	`Tem`	`Iriel, I was trying to use imwheel to map my 4th and 5th buttons for forward and backward in firefox`
`17:42.44`	`Tem`	`it wasn't working so I removed imwheel`
`17:43.00`	`Tem`	`afterwards, gnome failed to start`
`17:43.38`	`Tem`	`(background color, but otherwise blank screen after logging in)`
`17:43.59`	`Tem`	`so, I removed the imwheel folder from /etc/X11`
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`17:44.17`	`Tem`	`which turned out to be a mistake because somewhere it's still trying to read that on startup`
`17:44.25`	`Tem`	`so it crashes and sends me back to my login screen`
`17:45.36`	`Iriel`	`Ah`
`17:45.57`	`Iriel`	`it'll have written something to /var/log/X11.<something>.log`
`17:46.03`	`Iriel`	`do ls -ltr /var/log`
`17:46.12`	`Iriel`	`and you should be able to find the right one based on its modification time`
`17:46.33`	`Tem`	`so, my main question now is does X actually want imwheel by default is was it a poor uninstallation?`
`17:47.00`	`Tem`	`and, if it's the latter, what do I need to do to tell X to quit looking there?`
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`17:49.45`	`Iriel`	`You could dpkg -r imwheel then apt-get install to put it back in its vanilla form`
`17:50.06`	`Iriel`	`I'm not sure rm -rf'ing a directory that was presumably created by a proper install is wise under any circumstance`
`17:50.10`	`Corrodias`	`my cats have no respect for the front vent of my computer`
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`17:52.15`	`Tem`	`Iriel, you're most likely right, but I'm sort dumb about these things`
`17:52.35`	`Iriel`	`see if you can dpkg -r imwheel`
`17:52.39`	`AnduinLothar`	`what's the command to make bulleted list items in the wow forums`
`17:52.39`	`Thunder_Child`	`dumb is not the same as unexperianced`
`17:53.00`	`Tem`	`AnduinLothar, [ul] I htink`
`17:53.13`	`Tem`	`[ul] [li] [/ul]`
`17:53.26`	`Tem`	`well, I'm not sure`
`17:53.37`	`AnduinLothar`	`that's correct`
`17:53.41`	`Tem`	`there's a link to "Blizzard markup" on the post page`
`17:53.50`	`AnduinLothar`	`there is?`
`17:54.05`	`Tem`	`there used to be. I haven't looked for it since the new forums`
`17:55.07`	`Tem`	`hmm, I don't see it anymore`
`17:55.59`	`Tem`	`http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/bml.html?sid=1`
`17:56.43`	`Fin`	`or is that phpbb or summat`
`17:58.20`	`Fin`	`no, wait! I remember looking for how to do this for ages a while ago, all I found was a bunch of posts saying that you couldn't do it in the Blizzard forums`
`17:58.30`	`Fin`	`yeah, that's right, and I couldn't find any examples of it being used`
`17:58.46`	`AnduinLothar`	`http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2647306912&postId=25749447006#19`
`17:59.10`	`Fin`	`aha! so I'm wrong`
`17:59.24`	`Fin`	`sure that's not just someone inserting a literal tab and bullet, though? :)`
`17:59.36`	`AnduinLothar`	`it's my post`
`18:00.11`	`Fin`	`you're probably fairly sure, then`
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`18:00.57`	`Fin`	`man I spent ages looking for how to do it!`
`18:01.34`	`Tem`	`[ul] makes it tabbed`
`18:01.42`	`Tem`	`[li] adds the bullet`
`18:01.55`	`Fin`	`yeah, it's just the same as HTML`
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`18:14.10`	`Industrial`	`ding 49`
`18:14.54`	`Thunder_Child`	`gratz Industrial`
`18:16.23`	`zenzelezz`	`careful Industrial, or you may be 60 before WotLK :-o`
`18:17.10`	`Industrial`	`>:)`
`18:17.19`	`Industrial`	`I'm getting there`
`18:17.27`	`Industrial`	`not rerolling helps, lol`
`18:18.00`	`Industrial`	`and everything is new, unlike the lowere levels wich i've done 50 times`
`18:19.07`	`zenzelezz`	`guildie just discovered Mighty Restoration AND Pure Death in 10 minutes`
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`18:46.04`	`cladhaire`	`sorry`
`18:46.08`	`mikma`	`:D`
`18:46.24`	`Shirik`	`~hug cladhaire`
`18:46.24`	`purl`	`ACTION hugs cladhaire`
`18:46.44`	`cladhaire`	`I'm about to fucking FLIP out.`
`18:46.45`	`cladhaire`	`http://wow.curse.com/downloads/details/9782/#comment_303311`
`18:46.50`	`cladhaire`	`I posted there, saying "This is my work.. remov eit now"`
`18:46.54`	`cladhaire`	`the comment is now no longer visible`
`18:46.59`	`cladhaire`	`and the fucking file is still there`
`18:47.08`	`cladhaire`	`IF THE ADDON SAYS "THIS IS NOT MY WORK" THEN DONT FUCKING LET ANYONE POST IT THERE>`
`18:47.09`	`cladhaire`	`god damnit.`
`18:47.43`	`mikma`	`i reported it some time ago, but why has your commend disappeared?`
`18:47.45`	`cladhaire`	`oh now it shows up.`
`18:47.49`	`cladhaire`	`well still, fuck them.`
`18:48.10`	`AnduinLothar`	`they don't screen all their uploads`
`18:48.16`	`mikma`	`curse admins suck!! (notice me!)`
`18:48.21`	`cladhaire`	`yes, and that's a fucked up policy`
`18:48.28`	`AnduinLothar`	`you'll have to report it to someone who can remove it`
`18:48.29`	`cladhaire`	`new addons should have an approval process, no matter where they're going`
`18:48.35`	`mikma`	`after telling something sucks, people usually wake up. well, now is the time`
`18:48.36`	`cladhaire`	`AnduinLothar: I'm trying`
`18:48.37`	`AnduinLothar`	`there are a couple that hang out here`
`18:48.59`	`clad\|away`	`i'll bbl.`
`18:49.09`	`AnduinLothar`	`Guillotine could get it reported to the right person`
`18:49.22`	`clad\|away`	`this happens all the damn time.. they should change their damn policies.`
`18:49.32`	`clad\|away`	`i shouldn't have to police their site to get my shit removed when they let other peopel post it`
`18:49.33`	`clad\|away`	`that's assinine.`
`18:49.48`	`mikma`	`ain't there some "claim this addon" thingy`
`18:50.02`	`AnduinLothar`	`there used to be, might still be`
`18:50.07`	`dylanm_`	`s/assinine/asinine/`
`18:50.48`	`AnduinLothar`	`you can also use the report butotn to report the addon`
`18:52.22`	`AnduinLothar`	`i dont see the request ownership button any more`
`18:52.24`	`Industrial`	`Is there any rule to what you can/can't skin by skill -> level ?`
`18:52.39`	`Industrial`	`im leveling up my skinning, want to be in the orange area at all times`
`18:53.38`	`Industrial`	`Up to skinning 100, you can find out the highest level mob you can skin by: ((Skinning skill)/10)+10.`
`18:53.45`	`Industrial`	`From skinning level 100 and up the formula is simply: (Skinning skill)/5.`
`18:53.48`	`Industrial`	`thank you wowwiki`
`18:54.01`	`mikma`	`:)`
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`20:02.01`	`Thunder_Child`	`cool`
`20:04.01`	`AnduinLothar`	`what's the new 'vetran' gear called?`
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`20:26.38`	`Lendrick`	`greets`
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`20:27.16`	`Lendrick`	`Is there a way to create a delay in a scrpt? (not a macro, I don't want to delay then cast, which I know is impossible)`
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`20:35.17`	`Iriel`	`Lendrick: Not without freezing the UI`
`20:35.35`	`Iriel`	`Lendrick: The appropriate design is to use OnUpdate to schedule the execution to continue later, rather than pausing`
`20:35.55`	`Iriel`	`Lendrick: If you're trying to stop in the middle of soemthing really complex and stateful, you may want to explore coroutines`
`20:38.19`	`Lendrick`	`well, here's what I'm trying to do`
`20:38.52`	`Lendrick`	`I'm trying to write an outfitter script that will wait 30 seconds before it removes an outfit`
`20:39.11`	`Lendrick`	`basically, I want it to wait a little while after I dismount before it removes my skyguard cloak`
`20:39.12`	`Iriel`	`Can you remove clothing without a hardware event?`
`20:39.17`	`Lendrick`	`yeah`
`20:39.31`	`Lendrick`	`outfitter does it all the time`
`20:39.31`	`zenzelezz`	`my ears...`
`20:39.35`	`zenzelezz`	`apparently my guild took Vashj`
`20:39.53`	`Lendrick`	`entering an area, mounting up, getting dismounted (without a keypress), etc`
`20:40.51`	`Lendrick`	`<-- still struggling with morogrim.`
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`20:44.42`	`Maldivia`	`anyone know if the "client quit on server disconnect" is a bug or a feature of 2.3 ?`
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`20:50.22`	`Maldivia`	`gues not`
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`21:39.59`	`Bejitt`	`what would cause the entire UI to hide?`
`21:40.14`	`AnduinLothar`	`looks like they've also made the Vindicator gear match the pally S3`
`21:40.16`	`zenzelezz`	`Alt + Z`
`21:40.22`	`Bejitt`	`aside from that, zen`
`21:40.39`	`AnduinLothar`	`it's identical to the warrior gear i think`
`21:40.49`	`AnduinLothar`	`str, stam, crit, resil`
`21:41.02`	`AnduinLothar`	`no int even`
`21:41.20`	`AnduinLothar`	`oh wait.. that is the warrior gear`
`21:42.03`	`AnduinLothar`	`oh sweet. Vindicator ret is Vetrans + resil`
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`22:22.29`	`Cairenn`	`lalala`
`22:22.38`	`Shirik`	`lalala`
`22:22.44`	`Fin`	`it's the way that you want when you want it to be?`
`22:23.10`	`Shirik`	`brain exploded`
`22:23.10`	`Fin`	`ooh`
`22:23.23`	`Shirik`	`too many "y"s`
`22:23.25`	`Fin`	`(la la la la la la lalalala)`
`22:23.31`	`Shirik`	`well, "w" and "y"`
`22:23.48`	`Fin`	`Fugeela la la!`
`22:26.14`	`nelsmartens`	`...naw kid drive faster...`
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`22:33.44`	`\|Jelly\|`	`Carebears got their wish. rofl`
`22:34.09`	`art3mis`	`?`
`22:34.14`	`dylanm`	`?`
`22:34.29`	`\|Jelly\|`	`Account Banned`
`22:34.31`	`\|Jelly\|`
`22:34.33`	`\|Jelly\|`	`Ban Type Temporary`
`22:34.41`	`art3mis`	`you got banned?`
`22:34.42`	`\|Jelly\|`	`I spit up laughing when I saw it.`
`22:35.00`	`\|Jelly\|`	`For all things, it was for me saying hi. rofl`
`22:35.09`	`Industrial`	`what level is ungoro again`
`22:35.13`	`Industrial`	`can I enter/get FP at 49?`
`22:35.44`	`Iriel`	`Does ungoro HAVE a flight path?`
`22:35.49`	`\|Jelly\|`	`Yes.`
`22:36.03`	`Iriel`	`Wierd, when did they add that?`
`22:36.09`	`art3mis`	`marshals post`
`22:36.15`	`art3mis`	`a while back`
`22:36.16`	`Iriel`	`It never used to have one`
`22:36.19`	`bleeter`	`1.11, I think`
`22:36.20`	`Iriel`	`You used to have to go to Silithus`
`22:36.27`	`art3mis`	`nope i think it was around 1.9/10`
`22:36.31`	`bleeter`	`pre-BC`
`22:36.41`	`bleeter`	`could've been .10`
`22:36.53`	`bleeter`	`around the same time as ratchet, iirc`
`22:36.54`	`Iriel`	`1.11`
`22:36.58`	`art3mis`	`when did AQ go in?`
`22:37.05`	`zenzelezz`	`not around, at`
`22:37.29`	`Iriel`	`Indeed, same time as ratchet`
`22:37.38`	`Industrial`	`can I enter/get FP at 49?`
`22:37.45`	`nevcairiel`	`sure`
`22:37.50`	`Iriel`	`sure if you're careful`
`22:37.53`	`Industrial`	`or will I get raped`
`22:37.54`	`Industrial`	`ok`
`22:38.01`	`nevcairiel`	`you can even quest ungoro at 49`
`22:38.06`	`bleeter`	`you can get all FPs at 1, if you're really bored ;)`
`22:38.09`	`nevcairiel`	`thats about the level it starts`
`22:38.10`	`Iriel`	`You start getting UG quests in the high 40's`
`22:38.15`	`bleeter`	`nude FP runs ftw!`
`22:38.20`	`Industrial`	`im 49 :]`
`22:38.47`	`nevcairiel`	`your highest char yet eh?`
`22:39.04`	`Industrial`	`srsly when I get 70`
`22:39.07`	`Industrial`	`nude run.`
`22:39.10`	`Industrial`	`party.`
`22:41.23`	`Shirik`	`\|Jelly\|: How did you manage that?`
`22:41.37`	`\|Jelly\|`	`I'll pm. sec`
`22:41.51`	`\|Jelly\|`	`Unless everyone else wants to know. I don't care, to be honest. lol`
`22:43.03`	`Industrial`	`oh my god its a devilsaur, get in the car`
`22:45.09`	`Thunder_Child`	`i H A T E ungoro`
`22:46.15`	`Gngsk`	`is industrial gonna make it to 70?`
`22:46.22`	`Gngsk`	`the earth will explode!`
`22:47.21`	`\|Jelly\|`	`>>> 7/0`
`22:47.23`	`\|Jelly\|`	`:P`
`22:47.41`	`Shirik`	`MSDN fails!`
`22:47.59`	`Shirik`	`"Otherwise, the process may become deadlocked, because the thread with lower priority is never scheduled."`
`22:48.03`	`Shirik`	`No, that's starvation, not deadlock`
`22:48.29`	`Industrial`	`you fail!`
`22:48.30`	`Shirik`	`actually it's priority inversion`
`22:48.30`	`Industrial`	`mdsn.`
`22:48.37`	`Industrial`	`:'D`
`22:50.26`	`Thrae`	`RAID can be a tricky thing. Finally got everything sorted out. Now running 2 spares on all existing raid1s save two, which are a raid10 and a raid5 now.`
`22:51.07`	`Industrial`	`damn thats alot of quests .http://wowhead.com/?zone=490#quests:0+2+3+1`
`22:57.05`	`Iriel`	`It's deadlock in the case where you have a process waiting on both threads`
`22:57.11`	`Iriel`	`It's only starvation if they're unrelated`
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`23:01.37`	`Kaydeethree`	`new PTR up! current build: 7485. diffs at http://spyglass-server.com/wowints/`
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`23:14.05`	`Kaydeethree`	`oh boo, I can't be "Knight-Captain Kaydeethree, Champion of the Naaru" any more.`
`23:22.47`	`[dRaCo]`	`why not?`
`23:23.29`	`zenzelezz`	`because they changed it so you can only select one title`
`23:24.08`	`Wobwork`	`thank god =P`
`23:26.12`	`zenzelezz`	`you play with player names on?`
`23:28.17`	`Fin`	`you don't?`
`23:28.30`	`zenzelezz`	`nope, neither player names or NPC names; only NPC nameplates`
`23:28.43`	`Fin`	`do you use Aloft?`
`23:28.47`	`zenzelezz`	`nope`
`23:28.50`	`Thunder_Child`	`yep`
`23:28.55`	`Fin`	`bizarre`
`23:28.59`	`Thunder_Child`	`only mobs for me`
`23:39.58`	`Shirik`	`So... Cidan and I are having this nice little conversation. He's been complaining about how my code isn't "standard" because I use Microsoft's compiler`
`23:40.15`	`Shirik`	`so I say to him "Okay, I just disabled language extensions" he responds with "Ok watches it not compile"`
`23:40.31`	`Shirik`	`714 error(s), 180 warning(s)`
`23:40.32`	`Shirik`	`========== Build: 0 succeeded, 1 failed, 0 up-to-date, 0 skipped ==========`
`23:52.13`	`Corrodias`	`that's a great story`
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`23:59.22`	`AnduinLothar`	`anyone speak spanish in here?`

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