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| 00:18.14 | Cairenn | o.O |
| 00:18.23 | Wobwork | I think that was 'gasps' |
| 00:18.27 | Wobwork | I hope |
| 00:18.34 | Wobwork | =P |
| 00:18.41 | Cairenn | me too, but the o.O was at the violence |
| 00:18.55 | |Jelly| | You missed the backstory :P |
| 00:19.11 | Rayne | Man that guy did totally ruin my UI :/ |
| 00:19.13 | Cairenn | apparently |
| 00:19.24 | Rayne | good thing its like v4 though... |
| 00:21.44 | dylanm | Wha |
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| 00:24.09 | Rayne | http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff197/twilightprincess100/WoWScrnShot_111807_182638.jpg :/ |
| 00:25.34 | Rayne | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v442/SinOfDreams/WoWScrnShot_111807_074913.jpg heres my current version, im still working out all the font sizing... |
| 00:27.11 | bleeter | kd3: so they're still running the lame 'excess usage on our backbone' excuse? |
| 00:27.21 | haste | horrible colors on the healthbars |
| 00:27.38 | haste | black on grey =\ |
| 00:27.51 | kd3 | ya. they're going to be getting a very nasty phone call come monday morning |
| 00:28.00 | Rayne | Thats red, not black. |
| 00:28.28 | haste | okey, ultra dark red on almost ultra dark red :D |
| 00:28.54 | zenzelezz | it's not black, it's #010000 |
| 00:36.25 | Rayne | im not really digging this font...hard to read my UF Health text :/ |
| 00:36.39 | Kelfarr | wah wah wah |
| 00:36.45 | Kelfarr | just keep your normal one |
| 00:36.46 | Kelfarr | it was good |
| 00:37.03 | Rayne | why so people can anal rape it on the UI boards? :/ |
| 00:37.07 | Rayne | OMG IT LOOKS BETTER |
| 00:37.12 | Rayne | he emailed me that too... |
| 00:38.07 | Kelfarr | some guy fucked up your UI i told him i didn't think it was possible to make your UI look bad now he is mad at me |
| 00:38.20 | Kelfarr | http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff197/twilightprincess100/WoWScrnShot_111807_182638.jpg |
| 00:40.11 | Rayne | Yeah but your UI like ate his WoW or something cause he installed it wrong |
| 00:40.18 | Rayne | automaticly your fault Kel |
| 00:40.29 | Rayne | youre the jerk, ect |
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| 00:44.10 | sioraiocht | ! |
| 00:44.12 | sioraiocht | hey! |
| 00:44.17 | Cairenn | :) |
| 00:44.37 | Kelfarr | I know its all my fault |
| 00:44.57 | Kelfarr | because he can't follow instructions |
| 00:47.10 | Rayne | I actually need to change something with BBC |
| 00:47.18 | Rayne | and I cant figure out what to do... |
| 00:48.22 | Rayne | my quartz castbars are in the way of alot of info :/ |
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| 00:58.52 | |Jelly| | (Just now looking...was AFK...) LOVE the font in the new one. |
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| 01:02.42 | Mike-N-Go | How does the new AV work? |
| 01:03.33 | Wobwork | Kinda like this: |
| 01:03.36 | Wobwork | 1. Zone in |
| 01:03.41 | Wobwork | 2. Alliance loses. |
| 01:03.46 | Kelfarr | exactly |
| 01:04.27 | Mike-N-Go | Really? |
| 01:04.38 | Mike-N-Go | Something MUST be wrong on my battle group, now.. |
| 01:04.38 | Wobwork | fairly much =P |
| 01:04.47 | Wobwork | until Alliance learns how to play |
| 01:05.19 | JoshBorke | is it av weekend? |
| 01:05.24 | Kelfarr | eots |
| 01:05.31 | JoshBorke | blech |
| 01:05.45 | Wobwork | I <3 eots |
| 01:05.49 | Wobwork | at least with friends |
| 01:05.59 | Wobwork | but then again, I refuse to pvp bgs without friends now |
| 01:11.33 | Rayne | god damn, theres only 9 people on in my guild atm :/ |
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| 01:27.23 | Cairenn | night clad|sleep |
| 01:27.50 | clad|sleep | night |
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| 01:41.27 | Fin | is there a daily fishing quest? |
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| 02:04.56 | kd3 | at least in my occasional net connects I'm getting something done |
| 02:05.05 | kd3 | found this: http://spyglass-server.com/pub/ff72-orig.jpg |
| 02:05.11 | kd3 | made this: http://spyglass-server.com/pub/ff72.jpg |
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| 02:20.15 | Kaso | you used the clone tool to remove some text of a evenly-textured background! that must have taken a whole 10 seconds of work ;p |
| 02:23.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | i hate text on wallpapers |
| 02:23.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | bleh |
| 02:23.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | i do that too :p |
| 02:31.07 | kd3 | nah. closer to 10 minutes. I'm not artistic at all, took me a while to figure out how to do it in the gimp |
| 02:31.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's hard to get that grain to look right i'd imagine |
| 02:31.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | i dunno about how easy clonestamp and patching is in gimp though |
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| 02:39.53 | Corrodias | my warbringer gets a 50% damage buff |
| 02:40.05 | Corrodias | they're no where near each other, so i don't know what these 25% guys are talking about. |
| 02:41.32 | Kelfarr | bahaha shrig released his UI |
| 02:44.47 | Kelfarr | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7859-BronxUI.html |
| 02:44.47 | Kelfarr | lol |
| 02:45.53 | a-stray-cat | why the hate |
| 02:46.54 | Rayne | its awful. |
| 02:46.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | warbringer? the bear mob? |
| 02:47.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | guys on the bearmount, that is |
| 02:47.35 | a-stray-cat | can you actually get a bearmount? |
| 02:47.52 | Kelfarr | yeah |
| 02:48.01 | a-stray-cat | oh man must run za ;o |
| 02:48.15 | a-stray-cat | i need that axe anyway :< im dead last on the list for the bt polearm |
| 02:48.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | i like my hoss |
| 02:48.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | and my birdform otherwise |
| 02:48.44 | a-stray-cat | I just think a cow riding a bear is hilarious. |
| 02:51.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | imagine a gnome on one of those |
| 02:52.21 | a-stray-cat | that's great too. |
| 02:54.38 | Gnarfoz | wtb al'ar |
| 02:54.39 | Gnarfoz | :< |
| 02:55.39 | a-stray-cat | meh i have the flying machine. almost as cool as al'ar. |
| 02:55.46 | a-stray-cat | hell if im ever going to kael again. |
| 02:56.07 | Gnarfoz | on vashj, so no kael yet :> |
| 02:56.19 | a-stray-cat | kael sucks, its really cool teh first time |
| 02:56.25 | Gnarfoz | alas, I'm waaaay too far behind on dkp for any realistic chance on the al'ar mount ^^ |
| 02:56.38 | a-stray-cat | but after like the 20th wipe, i now hate the kael fight with a vengeance :< |
| 02:57.01 | Kelfarr | they nerfed him |
| 02:57.07 | Corrodias | Mr_Rabies: yeah, warbringers |
| 02:57.38 | Corrodias | they're only supposed to increase their damage bt 25%, but we have had them so far apart that a healer can't reach us both and mine still gets 50% |
| 02:58.08 | a-stray-cat | Kelfarr: just like blizzard to nerf bosses we no longer do :( |
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| 03:38.49 | Corrodias | "Stacking physical debuff, targets take 25% more damage." -- for us, it was a buff on the mob that increased it by 50%. mother sucker. |
| 03:39.16 | Kelfarr | no u |
| 03:39.21 | Corrodias | unless i just didn't see a debuff that ALSO was applied |
| 03:39.45 | Corrodias | i will admit, i'm not the most observant person ever |
| 03:50.17 | Kelfarr | someone just necroed a thread from a year ago |
| 03:51.16 | Rayne | all I know is |
| 03:51.22 | Rayne | I love Pain Suppresion :3 |
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| 04:10.25 | |Jelly| | Anyone here have a 70 feral druid? |
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| 04:11.47 | Thunder_Child | Guillotine does |
| 04:11.59 | Guillotine | yah, I do |
| 04:12.09 | Guillotine | but hold on, doing ZA boss 2 |
| 04:12.12 | Thunder_Child | ~poke |Jelly| |
| 04:12.14 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind |Jelly|, pokes |Jelly| repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 04:12.25 | |Jelly| | kk...lemme know |
| 04:16.36 | Thunder_Child | you know it's been long enough...i think HD space should be cheaper than it is |
| 04:22.09 | bleetah | erm, just so you guys know... my guild has a new member (well, he gquit a while ago and has just rejoined)... name's Tainter... so if you want someone to blame... just lemme know ;) |
| 04:22.41 | Thunder_Child | is he a coder? |
| 04:23.54 | bleetah | unsure.. he certainly understand what I meant when I started blaming him for random mod failures |
| 04:23.59 | bleetah | *understood |
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| 04:27.42 | Tem | Any vim users around? |
| 04:28.43 | greppy | Tem: that depeneds :) |
| 04:29.09 | Tem | where do I put a .vim file to add additional syntax highlighting? |
| 04:29.19 | greppy | Tem: that will depend on your installation. |
| 04:29.50 | Tem | *sigh* |
| 04:29.56 | Tem | I hate knowing nothing about this |
| 04:30.18 | greppy | Tem: *nix or windows? |
| 04:30.30 | Tem | *nix |
| 04:30.42 | greppy | which? |
| 04:30.44 | Tem | ubuntu |
| 04:30.48 | greppy | ah |
| 04:30.50 | greppy | /usr/share/vim/vim70/syntax |
| 04:30.56 | Tem | thanks |
| 04:31.38 | greppy | There is a place to stick it for a per user setup though... lemme check. |
| 04:32.44 | greppy | Tem: you could also try putting it in ${HOME}/.vim/ |
| 04:32.49 | Tem | thanks |
| 04:33.10 | greppy | make that ${HOME}/.vim/syntax/ |
| 04:33.34 | Tem | k |
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| 04:36.39 | greppy | Tem: you could have found the answers here: http://vimdoc.sourceforge.net/vimfaq.html, if you are going to keep using vim you may want to give it a read :) |
| 04:37.25 | Tem | that is a big ass faq |
| 04:37.29 | Tem | without navagation helpers |
| 04:37.57 | Tem | either way, it's a useful resource |
| 04:37.59 | Tem | thanks |
| 04:38.04 | Wobwork | also |
| 04:38.10 | Wobwork | their indoc links don't work =) |
| 04:40.26 | JoshBorke | nn |
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| 05:02.39 | Kelfarr | some guy just made a topic asking what addon can make it so you can see what your character looks like with it on... |
| 05:04.24 | Corrodias | looks like with what on? |
| 05:05.03 | |Jelly| | they need to take the limit off improves leader of the pack |
| 05:05.14 | |Jelly| | feral druids might be op like hunters then |
| 05:05.40 | Corrodias | the 6 second cooldown? yeah |
| 05:05.50 | |Jelly| | yeah |
| 05:06.37 | Kelfarr | looks like with the piece of gear on |
| 05:06.43 | a-stray-cat | op like hunters? wha? |
| 05:07.36 | Corrodias | i see |
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| 05:20.27 | Thunder_Child | grrr..how am i supposed to kill a tank with a rifle and a nade... |
| 05:25.03 | Wobwork | Thunder_Child: run up to the hatch, knock loudly with the rifle and yell "AVON CALLING", then when they open the hatch in hopes of cheap cosmetics, lob in the grenade without the key. |
| 05:25.25 | Guillotine | Jelly: but with our attack speed/crit chance, it would be a bit OP :P |
| 05:25.28 | Wobwork | It's a plan that can't fail |
| 05:25.30 | Thunder_Child | cant, the hatch doesnt go anywhere....but i will try the AVON thing |
| 05:25.35 | Guillotine | I'd have like a constant rejuv on me |
| 05:25.39 | Rayne | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:51.39 | Guillotine | link? |
| 05:52.07 | Guillotine | nm, found it |
| 05:53.17 | Corrodias | i think |
| 05:53.19 | Corrodias | i want to start a gnome |
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| 05:53.49 | Corrodias | i don't suppose anybody has an alliance character on eldre'thalas that i could bum some gold and/or bags off? |
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| 06:02.23 | Lukian | Corrodias, hmm I should do that every time I roll on a new realm |
| 06:02.33 | Lukian | people on IRC are way more friendlier than those in game :D |
| 06:02.37 | Corrodias | yeah... |
| 06:02.48 | |Jelly| | I'm an asshole. :\ |
| 06:03.01 | Corrodias | i probably shouldn't play WoW yet, though, because i'm still not taking the game very seriously |
| 06:03.12 | |Jelly| | WoW is srrsbusnss |
| 06:03.13 | Corrodias | at the moment i don't see buying gold as a big deal, which means i probably shouldn't be tempted |
| 06:03.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm a jerk to people who deserve it regardless of format |
| 06:03.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | but i'm really nice to people i'm cool with |
| 06:03.48 | Thunder_Child | i'm a jerk/asshole to everyone |
| 06:03.52 | bleetah | ugh, pet pathing leading up the stairs to morose is bugged to hell |
| 06:04.03 | bleetah | mob about 10 yards up the stairs.. pet runs down the stairs to.. somewhere |
| 06:04.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | stairs and any kind of pathing are a bad combo |
| 06:04.22 | Lukian | I've noticed my pet doing crazy things lately too :D |
| 06:04.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | los, pathing, all of it's buggy on steps |
| 06:04.36 | bleetah | I suspect the new attack from behind mechanic |
| 06:04.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | i suspect YOUR FACE |
| 06:04.50 | Lukian | you should try running in a circle with 300ms lag and see what your pet does XD |
| 06:06.05 | bleetah | my latency is 600ms atm :/ |
| 06:06.06 | Thunder_Child | Guillotine, your not reading |
| 06:06.07 | bleetah | damned oceanics |
| 06:06.13 | Corrodias | pet pathing code IS buggy at the moment, don't worry |
| 06:06.14 | Corrodias | it's not just you |
| 06:06.42 | Corrodias | "don't worry, it's going to be genocide; it's not just you" |
| 06:06.43 | Lukian | ooo which realm bleetah ? :D |
| 06:06.48 | Thunder_Child | Guillotine, ACP is in-game not out of game |
| 06:07.47 | Guillotine | so why would he need an out of game one? |
| 06:07.57 | Thunder_Child | to load up only what he needs |
| 06:08.05 | Guillotine | which ACP does |
| 06:08.06 | Thunder_Child | instaid of changing them in game |
| 06:08.07 | Guillotine | you just have to reload |
| 06:08.30 | Thunder_Child | more work |
| 06:08.49 | bleetah | Lukian: oh, I'm not stupid enough to actually PLAY on an oceanic realm... I like my evening's farming to be profitable ;) |
| 06:08.56 | Lukian | bleetah, haha |
| 06:08.57 | Guillotine | *shrug* less work than doing something impossible :P |
| 06:09.07 | Thunder_Child | heh |
| 06:09.14 | bleetah | I mean to say, if my latency is gunna be over 500ms, may as well be 600ms and make lotsa gold from farming |
| 06:09.23 | bleetah | I used to be on Khaz'goroth and Barthilas |
| 06:09.26 | Lukian | bleetah, on that note, Jubei'Thos has login queues of 400 again :p |
| 06:09.33 | bleetah | til they opened up transfers |
| 06:09.41 | bleetah | yeah, the oceanics are frequently locked again |
| 06:09.42 | Lukian | Zul'Aman has bought all the boys to the yard again |
| 06:10.02 | bleetah | which was another reason to leave |
| 06:11.55 | bleetah | and of course blizz are insisting there's no need for new realms |
| 06:12.12 | bleetah | I've said a couple of times in the forums to the blues 'orly, check out oceanic peak loads u nubs' |
| 06:12.19 | bleetah | well, words to that effect |
| 06:12.33 | bleetah | it's coming up summertime here, and there's no capacity stretch that I can see |
| 06:18.01 | Corrodias | we tried zul'aman today |
| 06:18.29 | Corrodias | one "good" group, one "not so good" group. i volunteered to be in the latter, and we couldn't get past the pull right before the bear boss. the other group got up to the eagle boss, not sure if they took him down |
| 06:19.15 | AnduinLothar | hard instance |
| 06:19.46 | Corrodias | those warbringers do a lot of damage, and with 3-4 of our people undergeared for it, it just didn't work out |
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| 06:52.28 | Shirik|AFK | does anyone know the woW account administration email address off the top of their head? |
| 06:54.38 | Cairenn | uh oh, problem with your account? |
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| 06:59.53 | Corrodias | phallic enhancement can be yours |
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| 07:01.45 | Thunder_Child | indeed |
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| 07:19.06 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn, get it balck friday |
| 07:19.19 | Cairenn | no such thing here in Canada Thunder_Child |
| 07:19.20 | art3mis | tc: thanksgiving for .ca was last month ;) |
| 07:19.34 | Thunder_Child | well, online is still possible |
| 07:20.05 | art3mis | actually tiger direct has 1gb sticks for 29$ and 2x1gb for 39 |
| 07:20.26 | Thunder_Child | but how good is it? |
| 07:21.15 | art3mis | the 2x is corsair |
| 07:21.19 | art3mis | pny is the single sticl |
| 07:21.21 | art3mis | stick |
| 07:21.23 | Thunder_Child | still doesnt say anything |
| 07:21.42 | Thunder_Child | DDR what? |
| 07:22.12 | art3mis | ddr2 pc5400 for 1gb 2x is ddr2 4200 |
| 07:22.12 | Thunder_Child | and more importantly, what kind of ram can Cairenn's computer handle |
| 07:22.22 | Thunder_Child | thats why it's cheap |
| 07:23.15 | art3mis | heh yup |
| 07:23.27 | art3mis | ive got i think 2gb of ddr at work too though |
| 07:24.07 | Thunder_Child | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145590 $71 with a $30 mail in rebate |
| 07:24.19 | Shirik|AFK | Cairenn: Not mine, no |
| 07:24.21 | art3mis | mailin rebates suck |
| 07:24.24 | art3mis | ;) |
| 07:24.27 | Thunder_Child | true |
| 07:24.33 | Thunder_Child | but thats a good peice of ram |
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| 07:29.19 | art3mis | so |
| 07:29.31 | art3mis | whos boughten new sata300 drives recently? |
| 07:29.48 | Thunder_Child | i need some |
| 07:30.41 | art3mis | wondering if ones as good as the next thanks to rma or if there is one that burns out MUCH faster than another |
| 07:32.04 | art3mis | compusa has a 320gb sata300 wdc |
| 07:32.13 | art3mis | figure i may as well get that |
| 07:32.17 | art3mis | only 99$ |
| 07:33.20 | Thunder_Child | http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/internet-addiction/jump-up-internet-rescue-school-provides-rehabilitation-for-the-internet-addicted-324140.php |
| 07:33.28 | bleeter | Lukian: what was I reading the other day, one of the HD manu's saying they'll have multi-TB drives by end of next year? |
| 07:33.33 | art3mis | get a couple of those go to 640gb and have some spare 160gb ides kicking around for whatever |
| 07:33.38 | Thunder_Child | art3mis, they seem to all be the same |
| 07:34.02 | art3mis | i think my leopard install lockup issues are drive related |
| 07:34.12 | Lukian | bleeter, hmm, I don't think you meant to say my name there cause I dunno what you are talking about ^^ |
| 07:34.29 | bleeter | Lukian: erm, no.. my bad |
| 07:34.37 | bleeter | but good to see yer still awake :D |
| 07:34.59 | Thunder_Child | ~lick Lukian |
| 07:35.00 | purl | ACTION licks Lukian *SHLUUURRRRPPP* |
| 07:35.12 | Thunder_Child | heh, proxy licker |
| 07:35.25 | Lukian | hehe :) |
| 07:35.56 | bleeter | Lukian: so did it get disgustingly hot there today? |
| 07:36.21 | Lukian | yeah, it's been bad for a few days :/ I've been sleeping during the day to avoid it |
| 07:37.00 | Cairenn | Ottawa at -40 |
| 07:37.01 | Lukian | man.. Indoor thermo says 30C in the lounge room |
| 07:37.56 | bleeter | bom's showing 31 outside :/ |
| 07:38.16 | bleeter | balmy 20 down south tho :) |
| 07:39.55 | Lukian | So engineering or alchemy for my warlock? :o Engy: http://www.wowhead.com/?items&filter=cr=86:2;crs=5:1;crv=0:0 Alchemy: http://www.wowhead.com/?item=34440 & http://www.wowhead.com/?item=13503 |
| 07:40.05 | Lukian | bleeter, oo where is it 20? That'd be niiiice |
| 07:40.18 | bleeter | slowbart |
| 07:40.27 | bleeter | so you may wanna pass on that ;) |
| 07:40.36 | Lukian | woot! I'm moving to tassie |
| 07:40.37 | Lukian | lol |
| 07:41.10 | art3mis | wow |
| 07:41.16 | art3mis | seagate is offering 5year warranty |
| 07:41.35 | Lukian | seagate drives are quality ^^ |
| 07:41.47 | Lukian | shock resistant too, unlike other brands :p |
| 07:41.58 | art3mis | wonder why they didnt import the 10k rpm hardware for the sata300 drives |
| 07:42.07 | art3mis | that would be sexy |
| 07:42.43 | Corrodias | i advocate no professions. they all just irritate me. |
| 07:42.44 | art3mis | luk: had any or heard any issues with wdc sata300s? |
| 07:43.00 | nevcairiel | my wdc drives work fine |
| 07:43.06 | Tierrie | i think its mac related |
| 07:43.07 | Tierrie | buahahah |
| 07:43.11 | art3mis | how long ya had it? |
| 07:43.12 | Corrodias | every brand has had issues; the best are WDC, Seagate, and Maxtor as far as i know |
| 07:43.21 | Lukian | art3mis, which size? |
| 07:43.31 | art3mis | corr: lets be fair that only leaves samsung and hitachi ;P |
| 07:43.36 | art3mis | 320gb |
| 07:43.37 | Corrodias | and IBM |
| 07:43.42 | art3mis | ibm == hitachi |
| 07:43.46 | nevcairiel | IBM sucks |
| 07:43.47 | Corrodias | really? no wonder it sucks |
| 07:43.52 | art3mis | i loved the old deskstars |
| 07:43.54 | Lukian | Yeah, WD's are fine, just run a little hotter and a little less shock resistant than seagate. |
| 07:44.06 | bleeter | woot http://www.4004.com/ |
| 07:44.07 | Lukian | Maxtor used to be crap, but seagate own them now |
| 07:44.11 | art3mis | need to get a couple of new drives |
| 07:44.40 | art3mis | figure 5year would be nice |
| 07:44.40 | Corrodias | i need to get some external drives for backup |
| 07:44.40 | Corrodias | and a fireproof safe |
| 07:44.40 | Lukian | Corrodias, how's samsung? |
| 07:44.40 | art3mis | since at 4.5years itll accidently fail ;P |
| 07:44.40 | Corrodias | i've never heard of samsung drives |
| 07:44.42 | Lukian | Corrodias, wow :o |
| 07:44.52 | bleeter | lol @ deathstars |
| 07:44.55 | Cairenn | o.O |
| 07:44.56 | Corrodias | or the name just didn't pop out at me |
| 07:44.57 | Lukian | They seem to be the cheapest here, but I haven't heard anything bad about them yet |
| 07:45.01 | Lukian | Quantum fireball :D |
| 07:45.02 | art3mis | i like the iomega 120gb hdd cart system |
| 07:45.05 | art3mis | thats just sexy |
| 07:45.28 | art3mis | bleeter: DESKstar ;P |
| 07:45.49 | art3mis | in the days of the 20and40gb drives those deskstars could take a beatting though |
| 07:46.25 | bleeter | art3mis: DEATHstar FTW! |
| 07:46.40 | Corrodias | no, man, you gotta metal it up. dethstaar. |
| 07:46.45 | bleeter | now that's true.. I recall heavily beating some of those old desktarts |
| 07:46.55 | Corrodias | dedstairs |
| 07:48.56 | Shirik | ~weather KDCA |
| 07:49.01 | Shirik | ~weather KDAB |
| 07:49.15 | Shirik | I guess I'm going to have to get a sweater before going home :/ |
| 07:50.03 | bleeter | maybe Lukian can sell you some heats |
| 07:50.10 | Lukian | haha |
| 07:50.18 | Shirik | huh? |
| 07:50.25 | a-stray-cat | i'd like to replace my cat pet's growl noises with pleasant mews. |
| 07:50.27 | a-stray-cat | is that allowed? |
| 07:50.37 | Shirik | no |
| 07:50.39 | a-stray-cat | i dont understand why they made him randomly growl while idle :/ |
| 07:50.46 | a-stray-cat | really? :( |
| 07:50.46 | Tierrie | he's pissed at you |
| 07:50.47 | Shirik | well, hm |
| 07:50.48 | Tierrie | and wants to pee |
| 07:50.53 | Shirik | can you override it without editing the mpq? |
| 07:50.55 | a-stray-cat | he can go at any time imo |
| 07:50.56 | a-stray-cat | yeah |
| 07:50.57 | Shirik | if so, go for it |
| 07:50.59 | a-stray-cat | sounds go right through |
| 07:51.11 | Lukian | is the Data folder still supported? |
| 07:51.12 | Tierrie | you can't override pet sounds via the APIs |
| 07:51.13 | Corrodias | and now i think of a name for a new gnome |
| 07:51.14 | Shirik | that used to be restricted |
| 07:51.25 | Shirik | Tierrie: That wouldn't be what I'm talking about |
| 07:51.31 | Corrodias | you can override sounds with the Data folder, yes |
| 07:51.38 | Lukian | there you go |
| 07:51.41 | Tierrie | I see what you are saying now |
| 07:51.44 | Tierrie | why not just try it |
| 07:51.51 | a-stray-cat | oh i know it works |
| 07:51.51 | Corrodias | i think i have a little fishing "bleep" sound for the bobber |
| 07:51.54 | Shirik | because he wanted to make sure he wouldn't get in trouble :) |
| 07:51.55 | a-stray-cat | i just don't know if it's allowed lawl |
| 07:51.55 | Tierrie | drop a sex.wave into the file and then try it |
| 07:52.05 | Tierrie | uh in to the directory i mean |
| 07:52.08 | Corrodias | it's allowed |
| 07:52.12 | a-stray-cat | hawt |
| 07:52.19 | Tierrie | jesus, of course that's allowed, anything that can be overriden by the data folders is allowed |
| 07:52.23 | a-stray-cat | now to find cute kitty noises |
| 07:52.34 | Shirik | ... |
| 07:52.37 | Tierrie | illidian is a real fun fight i tell ya |
| 07:52.46 | Shirik | I don't want to know |
| 07:52.49 | Tierrie | wait |
| 07:52.51 | Tierrie | let me describe it |
| 07:52.52 | Corrodias | i have porn of this |
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| 07:53.17 | Tierrie | oh no |
| 07:53.20 | Corrodias | man, this conversation has me totally derailed. my first thought for the name of a new gnome is "Areola". |
| 07:53.21 | Tierrie | shirik deleted his cache |
| 07:53.28 | Shirik | ? |
| 07:53.30 | Tierrie | lol |
| 07:54.19 | Tierrie | coca cola? no! air-ola |
| 07:54.22 | Tierrie | pa dum pah |
| 07:54.24 | Tierrie | :( |
| 08:00.58 | a-stray-cat | god i hate it when i look at one of my old mods because i want to change something |
| 08:01.02 | a-stray-cat | and i cant remember how it works at all |
| 08:01.04 | a-stray-cat | :( |
| 08:03.29 | Corrodias | straaange love |
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| 08:05.57 | Shirik | a-stray-cat: How many comments does it have? |
| 08:06.54 | a-stray-cat | -3 |
| 08:07.25 | a-stray-cat | i.e., it has comments about code i've since ripped out >.> |
| 08:07.29 | Shirik | see now whose fault is that |
| 08:07.44 | Corrodias | hmm, huge pigtails hair, or weird wisps in front hair? |
| 08:07.52 | a-stray-cat | pigtails are forever |
| 08:07.53 | Shirik | how about |
| 08:08.01 | Shirik | one with a huge "DELETE" button on its foehead |
| 08:08.07 | Shirik | because that's what you'll want to do with it |
| 08:08.11 | Shirik | when you realize how much gnomes SUCK |
| 08:08.22 | a-stray-cat | gnome rogues are the most annoying things ever |
| 08:08.29 | a-stray-cat | hard to target and always disappearing |
| 08:08.32 | Cairenn | night guys |
| 08:08.36 | Corrodias | 'ni |
| 08:08.37 | a-stray-cat | night |
| 08:08.58 | Corrodias | i'm tempted to choose green hair... |
| 08:09.04 | a-stray-cat | i hope you're rolling a warrior, i've always wanted to see a gnome tank something like supremus |
| 08:09.04 | Corrodias | even though green is not one of my favorite colors |
| 08:09.31 | Corrodias | nah, warlock. it's one of 2 classes is don't have in my horde set, the other being shaman because lolshaman? |
| 08:09.37 | Corrodias | is -> i |
| 08:10.15 | Shirik | night Cairenn|afk |
| 08:10.32 | Corrodias | but a female gnome warrior would be adorable |
| 08:11.10 | Shirik | blegh |
| 08:11.15 | Shirik | [#] 03:09:31 [Debug: Conspiracy ] ERROR: Interface\AddOns\Conspiracy\System\Events.lua:346: Unknown event: ATTACK |
| 08:11.24 | Shirik | my system fails at life, I might just rewrite the whole events system >.> |
| 08:12.24 | Shirik | %&#*($%@ |
| 08:12.29 | Shirik | it helps to have a "return" >.> |
| 08:12.41 | Shirik | one thing I can't stand about languages that aren't strict, like Lua |
| 08:12.57 | Shirik | they're so unpredictable when you have stupid mistakes like that |
| 08:13.04 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 08:13.11 | nevcairiel | ya they just allow way too much |
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| 08:13.24 | Shirik | C++ would yell at you right away "Error: function must return a value" |
| 08:13.37 | Shirik | instead of "oh that must have meant false, ok" |
| 08:13.53 | Corrodias | and now for the piercings |
| 08:14.03 | Guillotine | I personally like the loose languages like Lua |
| 08:14.10 | Shirik | Lua combines everything I love with everything I hate >< it sucks because I like to say I like Lua but I also hate GC and type weakness |
| 08:14.13 | Shirik | oh god I can't stand it |
| 08:14.20 | Guillotine | well, at least the dynamically typed variables part |
| 08:14.26 | Guillotine | haha |
| 08:14.29 | Guillotine | I love type weakness |
| 08:14.33 | sioraiocht | Shirik: I hate on type weakness too |
| 08:14.34 | nevcairiel | GC is getting modern, you better get used to it |
| 08:14.34 | a-stray-cat | i think its fun to right things l = (x > y) and z or a; |
| 08:14.34 | Corrodias | type "weakness" is what i call type "flexibility" |
| 08:14.45 | Corrodias | a-stray-cat: i love you |
| 08:14.47 | Shirik | nevcairiel: I would get used to it if programmers knew what the hell they were doing |
| 08:14.48 | sioraiocht | sioraiocht: and dynamically typing, too |
| 08:14.58 | Shirik | instead they just say "Oh I have GC, I can ignore memory usage" |
| 08:14.59 | Shirik | yeah, no |
| 08:15.14 | Guillotine | omg, I hate that |
| 08:15.15 | Corrodias | ther's a problem with people who develop, not hte language |
| 08:15.18 | Guillotine | there was this one addon |
| 08:15.19 | Corrodias | oh shit |
| 08:15.26 | Corrodias | that's a problem with people who develop, not the language |
| 08:15.36 | Guillotine | that was claming because it had one more feature than my addon it was better, even though it used over 8 times the memory |
| 08:15.42 | sioraiocht | Corrodias: No, that's a specious argument people use to defend c++, too |
| 08:15.43 | Shirik | rofl |
| 08:15.46 | Guillotine | their claim was that it didn't matter since GC existed |
| 08:15.58 | Shirik | sioraiocht: Hey, I like C++! |
| 08:16.06 | Guillotine | you know what I don't like? |
| 08:16.07 | Guillotine | VB |
| 08:16.14 | Shirik | Nobody intelligent likes VB |
| 08:16.26 | a-stray-cat | im with shirik on this one |
| 08:16.28 | Guillotine | I write my code in binary |
| 08:16.33 | Shirik | Visual Binary ++ |
| 08:16.36 | Shirik | best IDE ever |
| 08:16.37 | Guillotine | lol |
| 08:16.41 | a-stray-cat | where do you get that? |
| 08:16.43 | Shirik | I need to find that picture again |
| 08:16.45 | a-stray-cat | ;p |
| 08:17.03 | Shirik | my EGR115 teacher showed that one to me |
| 08:17.05 | Shirik | loved it |
| 08:17.25 | Corrodias | you can't justify C++, sioraiocht |
| 08:17.36 | Corrodias | hitler tried |
| 08:17.39 | Corrodias | you saw how that worked out |
| 08:17.54 | a-stray-cat | microsoft picked it up an made c#? |
| 08:18.12 | sioraiocht | C# is a pretty nice language, in a lot of ways |
| 08:18.25 | Shirik | C++ is ok, people just rag on it too much because they loved C too much to give it up |
| 08:18.44 | Shirik | it has its problems, but it's ok given that they tried to keep it as compatible with C as possible |
| 08:18.53 | sioraiocht | Shirik: or no type safety, diamond inheritance, the worst exception handling on earth, memory leaks... |
| 08:18.58 | Shirik | if they wanted to make a new language, then something like Java would come out |
| 08:19.10 | Shirik | ok memory leaks is due to programmer stupidity |
| 08:19.14 | a-stray-cat | i actually like c# |
| 08:19.16 | Shirik | type safety exists if you know how to code |
| 08:19.18 | a-stray-cat | but its fun to bash ms |
| 08:19.33 | Shirik | diamond inheritance is one of the things I don't like, but I don't have an issue with it, I don't code like that in the first place (again) |
| 08:19.35 | a-stray-cat | ./random imo |
| 08:19.39 | Shirik | and "the worst exception handling on earth" ? |
| 08:19.46 | Shirik | you throw an error, you catch it... |
| 08:19.53 | Shirik | not sure how it's much different :/ |
| 08:20.03 | Shirik | it has try, catch, finally |
| 08:20.09 | Shirik | it's better than C's crappy setjmp crap |
| 08:20.40 | Shirik | crappy crap |
| 08:20.40 | Shirik | heh |
| 08:20.44 | Corrodias | not sure if i want the red-brown hair or the bright green hair |
| 08:20.57 | Shirik | C++ is one of those languages that is very versatile, but can be horrible if you make bad code with it |
| 08:21.11 | Shirik | Java is the opposite, no matter how you write your code, typically it will come out decently |
| 08:21.19 | cladhaire | that's a language level problem |
| 08:21.25 | cladhaire | from a designer standpoint |
| 08:21.42 | Shirik | I can write bad code in Lua too :P |
| 08:21.44 | cladhaire | if the semantics and syntax of your language encourage bad programming practice, that's not the programmer's fault |
| 08:21.51 | cladhaire | yes, but the syntax and semantics dont' blatantly encourage it. |
| 08:21.56 | Shirik | it doesn't ENCOURAGE it at all... |
| 08:22.00 | Shirik | it's just people are stupid |
| 08:22.16 | cladhaire | *shrug* |
| 08:22.39 | cladhaire | i'll be back in an hour or so, i'm heading to the lab |
| 08:22.39 | Shirik | Personally I think too many people pick up C/C++ as a first language |
| 08:22.48 | Shirik | when it is extremely low level when compared to something like Java |
| 08:23.03 | a-stray-cat | i think its good to start with c |
| 08:23.04 | cladhaire | please dont' say you think java should be the first language |
| 08:23.09 | cladhaire | cause neither should c |
| 08:23.09 | a-stray-cat | then go to c++ |
| 08:23.17 | cladhaire | and this topic is the basis for my PhD. |
| 08:23.21 | a-stray-cat | and be like 'wow'! |
| 08:23.22 | cladhaire | a-stray-cat: thats a horrible idea. |
| 08:23.23 | Shirik | matlab should be :D |
| 08:23.25 | a-stray-cat | meh |
| 08:23.26 | Corrodias | Lua should be |
| 08:23.27 | a-stray-cat | i started with C :P |
| 08:23.29 | cladhaire | Shirik: lies |
| 08:23.30 | Corrodias | COBOL! |
| 08:23.34 | Shirik | That's what my school does |
| 08:23.35 | cladhaire | lol |
| 08:23.36 | Shirik | and I wanted to kill them |
| 08:23.42 | Shirik | luckily they started that the year after my freshman year |
| 08:23.47 | Shirik | so I got through without it |
| 08:23.50 | a-stray-cat | uc davis starts you with C |
| 08:24.13 | batrick | shirik what college do u go to? |
| 08:24.14 | Shirik | Java is a language that's hard to start out with too because it throws you right into OOP |
| 08:24.24 | Shirik | http://www.erau.edu |
| 08:24.36 | a-stray-cat | clad what language do you think people should start with? |
| 08:24.43 | batrick | clad is gone |
| 08:24.45 | a-stray-cat | oh |
| 08:24.55 | batrick | I think C is a good language to start with imo |
| 08:25.02 | Shirik | I think it's too low level |
| 08:25.06 | nevcairiel | too complicated imho |
| 08:25.08 | Shirik | there's way too much pointer manipulation, etc. |
| 08:25.16 | nevcairiel | even tho i hate pascal, its still easy to learn |
| 08:25.23 | batrick | meh |
| 08:25.24 | Shirik | scheme!! |
| 08:25.36 | batrick | lol |
| 08:25.38 | Shirik | I have to do that next semester =( |
| 08:25.43 | Shirik | not looking forward to it... |
| 08:25.52 | batrick | AI? |
| 08:25.57 | Shirik | no clue why |
| 08:26.07 | Shirik | the class is called "data structures" |
| 08:26.15 | batrick | I took a class in AI, we did everything in a language I can't remember the name i feel like an idiot |
| 08:26.18 | a-stray-cat | if you happen to get a professor who likes a certain language, sucks to be you ;p |
| 08:26.21 | batrick | similar to scheme |
| 08:26.37 | batrick | starts with a p |
| 08:26.42 | Shirik | python |
| 08:26.43 | Shirik | =P |
| 08:26.45 | batrick | no |
| 08:26.53 | Corrodias | pascal? |
| 08:26.57 | batrick | nope |
| 08:27.02 | Shirik | perl |
| 08:27.03 | Shirik | you know |
| 08:27.04 | Corrodias | prolog |
| 08:27.06 | Shirik | there's too many p langauges |
| 08:27.09 | batrick | prolog that's it |
| 08:27.09 | Corrodias | duh, AI. prolog. |
| 08:27.11 | art3mis | ruby! |
| 08:27.22 | art3mis | python+perl == good starter |
| 08:27.23 | batrick | prolog was an interesting language |
| 08:27.23 | Shirik | I need to learn ada actually |
| 08:27.31 | art3mis | c# for winders crap |
| 08:27.35 | Corrodias | you need to? are you joining nasa or something? |
| 08:27.43 | art3mis | java for if you're a masochist |
| 08:27.44 | Shirik | That's what my school is all about, man |
| 08:27.54 | Shirik | My degree is computer engineering in avionics |
| 08:28.01 | a-stray-cat | how cool ;p |
| 08:28.03 | Shirik | all realtime stuff |
| 08:28.07 | a-stray-cat | don't screw up |
| 08:28.08 | batrick | computer engineering is for the hardcore |
| 08:28.09 | art3mis | shirik wants to make addons for cockpits |
| 08:28.14 | art3mis | in lua |
| 08:28.16 | art3mis | ;) |
| 08:28.17 | Shirik | And the government loves ada for some reason |
| 08:28.26 | Shirik | well, the FAA does |
| 08:29.18 | batrick | have you taken signals and systems yet shirik? |
| 08:29.24 | Shirik | next semester |
| 08:29.36 | batrick | hope it goes well for you |
| 08:29.36 | Shirik | I'm told that class is hell |
| 08:29.38 | batrick | i'm taking that now |
| 08:29.48 | batrick | i have a teacher I can't understand who just writes shit verbatim from the book |
| 08:29.51 | batrick | it rox |
| 08:29.56 | Shirik | heh |
| 08:29.58 | Shirik | fun |
| 08:30.05 | batrick | you'll love convolution :D |
| 08:30.26 | batrick | j/k lol! |
| 08:30.34 | batrick | whole class blows : / |
| 08:30.40 | a-stray-cat | if they write verbatim from the book |
| 08:30.44 | a-stray-cat | do you have to go to class? |
| 08:30.57 | a-stray-cat | generally if i get professors like that i just stay home and play wow :X |
| 08:31.02 | batrick | seemingly random quizzes |
| 08:31.06 | a-stray-cat | oooh |
| 08:31.09 | a-stray-cat | i hate those professors :/ |
| 08:31.13 | Shirik | gah I have professors like that too |
| 08:31.17 | Shirik | they don't care if you come to class |
| 08:31.25 | Shirik | but you get quizzes every so often on the stuff you learned that day |
| 08:31.28 | Shirik | so if you went, you get 100 |
| 08:31.31 | Shirik | if you didn't go, you get 0 |
| 08:31.45 | a-stray-cat | thats evil imo |
| 08:32.15 | a-stray-cat | i'd rather be compelled to come to class by teachers who have extra information past the text than by random useless quizzes |
| 08:32.29 | batrick | 2/3s of my class is failing |
| 08:32.30 | a-stray-cat | thats like in high school i had a class where you had to organize a special binder |
| 08:32.40 | Corrodias | argh, i can't decide between these hair colors |
| 08:32.41 | a-stray-cat | exactly as she asked you too |
| 08:32.41 | batrick | and that's 1/4 of the class that remained before dropout deadline |
| 08:32.55 | a-stray-cat | which too Corrodias? |
| 08:32.56 | a-stray-cat | er |
| 08:32.57 | a-stray-cat | two |
| 08:33.05 | Corrodias | um.. lemme make screenies |
| 08:33.07 | a-stray-cat | i r teh gudd engrish |
| 08:33.34 | Shirik | anyone know off the top of their head the function to call to produce a DevTools variable dump from code? |
| 08:34.35 | Shirik | got it nm :P |
| 08:35.21 | a-stray-cat | what is it btw ;P |
| 08:35.28 | a-stray-cat | i can only think of the php function right now :/ |
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| 08:36.59 | Shirik | DevTools_Dump |
| 08:37.08 | Shirik | I used to have a VFL.print_r |
| 08:37.14 | Shirik | I think it still exists but I don't use it anymore :P |
| 08:38.53 | Corrodias | i tossed this together, with some randomly-chosen warlock-looking armor, http://corrodias.no-ip.org/comparehair.png |
| 08:39.30 | a-stray-cat | what's with the mask, ;O |
| 08:39.36 | Corrodias | mask |
| 08:39.50 | Corrodias | what mask? |
| 08:39.59 | a-stray-cat | the shape over the image |
| 08:40.02 | Shirik | Corrodias: wtf is that >< |
| 08:40.14 | Corrodias | o shi |
| 08:40.16 | a-stray-cat | you'd do something similar with a mask in photoshop :X |
| 08:40.17 | Shirik | you severely jacked her up hehe |
| 08:40.28 | Corrodias | excuse me, my image editor has done something unexpected |
| 08:40.33 | a-stray-cat | ;p |
| 08:41.16 | Corrodias | try now |
| 08:41.57 | a-stray-cat | wow, that is a hard choice ;o |
| 08:42.06 | Shirik | aww she's cute |
| 08:42.07 | Shirik | I WILL KILL HER |
| 08:42.16 | Corrodias | but which one will you kill? |
| 08:42.19 | a-stray-cat | very puntable either way |
| 08:42.32 | Corrodias | i'd punt her, nudge nudge wink wink |
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| 08:42.41 | a-stray-cat | im leaning torward the pink though |
| 08:42.48 | a-stray-cat | the green stands out a bit too much :/ |
| 08:42.56 | Corrodias | it's not pink so much as wow's version of red |
| 08:43.08 | a-stray-cat | well it looks pink to me, im sticking to it. |
| 08:43.15 | Corrodias | the blood elves get the same washed-out red |
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| 08:43.30 | Corrodias | i was thinking i wanted that one, but the green is so striking |
| 08:44.32 | Corrodias | hm, but "striking" isn't necessarily "good". okay, it's decided. i still prefer the red. |
| 08:45.04 | Corrodias | now the battle for a name |
| 08:45.20 | Shirik | /script Conspiracy.Events.Test() |
| 08:45.23 | Shirik | totally wrong window |
| 08:45.24 | Corrodias | too bad, Cherry is taken. i can't yell at people to pop me. |
| 08:45.29 | Shirik | -_- |
| 08:45.41 | Shirik | Corrodias is a strange man |
| 08:45.51 | Corrodias | very lonely |
| 08:47.05 | a-stray-cat | is there any way to change animations in the game? |
| 08:47.10 | a-stray-cat | the new volley annoys me :< |
| 08:47.19 | Corrodias | it's not officially allowed |
| 08:47.23 | a-stray-cat | QQ |
| 08:47.24 | Corrodias | but yes |
| 08:47.30 | Shirik | oh noes....... |
| 08:47.34 | Corrodias | well, models. not so sure about animations. |
| 08:47.40 | Shirik | I used the same function in about 100 different places |
| 08:47.43 | Shirik | and I used it incorrectly all 100 times |
| 08:47.44 | a-stray-cat | you know the volley animation would be cool |
| 08:47.49 | Shirik | this is going to suck |
| 08:47.51 | a-stray-cat | if my character didnt just stand there while it was firing |
| 08:47.59 | a-stray-cat | find/replace ;O |
| 08:48.09 | Shirik | I could just... use the global arg1 and ignore the problem |
| 08:48.12 | Shirik | but I'm not like that >< |
| 08:48.19 | a-stray-cat | s/error/fixed/! |
| 08:48.23 | Corrodias | Gnome is unavailable, and it didn't even have to ask the server first |
| 08:48.34 | a-stray-cat | lol |
| 08:49.25 | Corrodias | hmm, this is going to be a challenge |
| 08:50.04 | Shirik | lua> getnames("Corr") |
| 08:50.04 | lua_bot | Shirik: Cors, Cort, Coru, Corv, Corx, Cory, Cosa, Cosc, Cose, Cosh, Cosi, Cosj, Cosk, Cosm, Coso, Cosp, Cosq, Coss, Cost, Cosu, Cosy, Cota, Cote, Coth, Coti, Coto, Cots, Cott, Cotu, Coty, Coub, Couc, Coud, Couf, Coug, Couh, Couj, Couk, Coul, Coum, Coun, Coup, Cou... (result truncated) |
| 08:50.19 | Shirik | lua> getnames("Corro") |
| 08:50.20 | lua_bot | Shirik: Corru, Corry, Corsa, Corse, Corsi, Corso, Corsu, Corsy, Corta, Corte, Corti, Corto, Cortu, Corty, Corua, Corub, Coruc, Corud, Corue, Coruf, Corug, Coruh, Corui, Coruj, Coruk, Corul, Corum, Corun, Coruo, Corup, Coruq, Corur, Corus, Corut, Coruv, Coruw, Cor... (result truncated) |
| 08:50.27 | Shirik | Corus is a good name :D |
| 08:50.27 | nevcairiel | wtf |
| 08:50.33 | Corrodias | she's a chick |
| 08:50.38 | Shirik | Corta :D |
| 08:50.41 | Corrodias | i tried Corkscrew, taken |
| 08:50.53 | a-stray-cat | Corsi, imo |
| 08:50.54 | Shirik | you could use my algorithm |
| 08:50.57 | Shirik | slam the keyboard |
| 08:50.57 | Corrodias | i know the name "Trademarked" isn't taken |
| 08:50.58 | Shirik | add in a vowel |
| 08:51.04 | Shirik | and there you go |
| 08:51.10 | Shirik | That's how I got Kimina |
| 08:51.11 | Corrodias | but people would report me for using a trademarked name |
| 08:51.16 | Shirik | note that K, I, M, and N are all next to each other |
| 08:51.28 | Corrodias | Corsi, that's not bad |
| 08:51.34 | a-stray-cat | be a true wow player and roll your face on the keyboard next time. |
| 08:51.48 | Corrodias | just my luck, 80% of the keys i hit are vowels |
| 08:52.28 | a-stray-cat | hit further away fromt he iou imo |
| 08:54.13 | a-stray-cat | whoa, my gm has 327 days played on his main o.o |
| 08:54.53 | a-stray-cat | thats like 6 hours a day since the game came out! |
| 08:55.14 | Corrodias | Sparkles is taken |
| 08:55.37 | Thunder_Child | what kind of name are you trying for? |
| 08:56.06 | Corrodias | all of my horde-side characters have "name" names rather than "word" names. i want a damn word name. |
| 08:56.40 | Thunder_Child | like "bob" vs "pepsi"? |
| 08:56.49 | Corrodias | yeah |
| 08:56.51 | a-stray-cat | i was going to suggest diet coke |
| 08:57.34 | Shirik | I think that's a good place to call it a night |
| 08:57.48 | Shirik | it doesn't entirely do what it's supposed to do, but it calls the parser correctly and registers for events :) |
| 08:58.03 | Thunder_Child | more like Dietglacierwater |
| 08:58.03 | a-stray-cat | night shirik |
| 08:58.06 | Corrodias | see ya |
| 08:58.12 | a-stray-cat | lawl dietglacierwater |
| 08:58.12 | Thunder_Child | night Shirik |
| 08:58.31 | Wobin | Cawqi |
| 08:58.37 | Corrodias | heheh |
| 08:58.43 | Lukian | a-stray-cat, I've got 168 days across my chars :/ about 100 on my main |
| 08:59.13 | a-stray-cat | ive 194 or so :X |
| 08:59.27 | Thunder_Child | i have..maybe 50...prilly less |
| 08:59.30 | Thunder_Child | prolly* |
| 08:59.39 | Corrodias | velma? wtf am i smoking? |
| 08:59.58 | Thunder_Child | ..what are you smoking, and do you have enough to share? |
| 09:00.04 | a-stray-cat | ^ |
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| 09:00.12 | Wobin | I have 174days |
| 09:00.24 | Wobin | 57 on my main |
| 09:00.47 | Thunder_Child | saidorroc....is retarded |
| 09:00.51 | a-stray-cat | i cant play alts, for some reason |
| 09:00.59 | a-stray-cat | i'll get to level 20 or so |
| 09:01.02 | Corrodias | Pants is taken |
| 09:01.04 | a-stray-cat | then stop playing forever :/ |
| 09:01.22 | Lukian | a-stray-cat, because you are repeating content? :) |
| 09:01.44 | Thunder_Child | Corrodias, your trying to hard |
| 09:02.12 | a-stray-cat | Lukian: im not really sure |
| 09:02.18 | a-stray-cat | i played FFT like 8 times lol |
| 09:02.29 | Corrodias | i put great importance on the name |
| 09:02.34 | Corrodias | although i understand that you can change it now |
| 09:02.44 | a-stray-cat | my names are all from the generator :X |
| 09:02.50 | a-stray-cat | i just click it till something i like comes up |
| 09:02.56 | a-stray-cat | maybe change it slightly |
| 09:02.57 | Lukian | haha |
| 09:10.07 | Corrodias | well, Septima works, but i kinda wanted something more playful |
| 09:10.14 | Corrodias | that sounds very serious |
| 09:10.43 | Lukian | Meptica |
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| 09:12.41 | Corrodias | being on an old realm can be painful at this moment |
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| 09:18.18 | Corrodias | ... wait, this one won't do, it's a racial slur |
| 09:19.13 | a-stray-cat | septima? |
| 09:19.15 | a-stray-cat | really? |
| 09:19.18 | Corrodias | no |
| 09:20.05 | a-stray-cat | ah |
| 09:21.06 | a-stray-cat | when you say lua irl do you say 'loo-ah' or L U A? |
| 09:21.35 | sioraiocht | loo-ah |
| 09:21.53 | sioraiocht | as according to PIL it's named after the portuguese word for moon |
| 09:21.55 | Corrodias | i say elOHpee |
| 09:22.40 | a-stray-cat | ah |
| 09:23.12 | a-stray-cat | so if i talk to a protugese person about programming languages there may be some confusion? |
| 09:23.16 | sioraiocht | people taht say L-U-A should, by that same argument, call Python P-Y-T-H-O-N |
| 09:23.36 | sioraiocht | we have programming languages named after precious gems and reptiles and we get by =p |
| 09:23.41 | a-stray-cat | but python is an egnlish word :X |
| 09:23.45 | Corrodias | no more confusion than when you talk to an american about windows |
| 09:23.52 | sioraiocht | or Ruby |
| 09:23.55 | a-stray-cat | thats because windows is horribly inconsistent |
| 09:24.02 | a-stray-cat | and confusing |
| 09:24.08 | a-stray-cat | "Why is it crashing!" "I don't know!" |
| 09:24.24 | a-stray-cat | "Why do my sound drivers bluescreen me!" |
| 09:24.27 | a-stray-cat | ;< |
| 09:24.27 | Corrodias | SEGFAULT |
| 09:24.30 | Corrodias | CORE DUMP |
| 09:24.45 | a-stray-cat | man the first time i got that in one of my programs for class |
| 09:24.50 | a-stray-cat | i was totally lost on what to do |
| 09:25.07 | a-stray-cat | this was before we were introduced to a debugger |
| 09:25.24 | a-stray-cat | i ended up putting prints on like every like of code ;< |
| 09:26.12 | a-stray-cat | arent tests part of debugging? |
| 09:26.26 | sioraiocht | a-stray-cat: he means as opposed to like, step through, step into stuff |
| 09:26.37 | a-stray-cat | ah |
| 09:26.57 | matt1s | if your tests cover 100% of your functionality you don't need debugging to figure out what broke |
| 09:27.27 | a-stray-cat | well, sometimes debugging is useful |
| 09:27.29 | sioraiocht | matt1s: unless you have significant side effects in your fucntions |
| 09:27.36 | a-stray-cat | like if you can't figure out why some value isn't what you expect |
| 09:27.48 | a-stray-cat | watching it in a debugger is pretty cool imo |
| 09:28.25 | matt1s | I debug too, but I'm trying to move away from it |
| 09:29.03 | matt1s | I've started developing code that has 100% test coverage, and it really does reduce debug time to nearly nil |
| 09:29.44 | a-stray-cat | god the blizzard ui programmers are such dorks :< i remember thinking this when i sat at their ui panel, and i'm watching it again since i can't remember when they said the new combatlog stuff was coming |
| 09:29.58 | sioraiocht | LOL |
| 09:30.09 | sioraiocht | a-stray-cat: january at the earliest, iirc |
| 09:31.08 | Corrodias | damn this whole "name" issue |
| 09:32.25 | a-stray-cat | eh, you don't? |
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| 09:32.29 | sioraiocht | not an one |
| 09:32.53 | sioraiocht | I always mean to get around to it..hence why I'm here... |
| 09:32.54 | sioraiocht | *shrugs* |
| 09:33.00 | a-stray-cat | its pretty easy imo |
| 09:33.05 | sioraiocht | I know |
| 09:33.10 | sioraiocht | when I think of someting to write it's been done |
| 09:33.17 | a-stray-cat | so? write it anyway |
| 09:33.21 | a-stray-cat | thats what i usually end up doing |
| 09:33.32 | sioraiocht | not to mention it's hard living in clad's shadow =p |
| 09:33.52 | a-stray-cat | i love clique <3 |
| 09:33.54 | cladhaire | O.o |
| 09:34.17 | a-stray-cat | oh clad, you're back. what language do you think people should start off learning when learning to program? |
| 09:34.56 | Kalroth | English! Then C# :P |
| 09:35.11 | Corrodias | well, i really need to get to bed now. 'ni! |
| 09:35.12 | cladhaire | that depends entirely on a.) the level of incoming student, b.) the context of the learning, and c.) the reason the student is learning. |
| 09:35.38 | a-stray-cat | night Corrodias |
| 09:36.04 | matt1s | I wonder if it would be possible to teach a entry-level student about test driven development from the get-go instead of tearing down their routines and building it up in a test driven environment later on |
| 09:36.04 | a-stray-cat | let's say you're a college freshman taking your first programming course to test the waters. |
| 09:37.07 | a-stray-cat | what exactly do you mean by a test driven environment ;o |
| 09:38.50 | matt1s | Exactly would cover a few books, but basically you write a test that tests some functionality of your program before you implement the code |
| 09:38.59 | cladhaire | yes you can |
| 09:39.03 | cladhaire | lots of classes to that |
| 09:39.13 | cladhaire | do that |
| 09:39.19 | matt1s | none of ours did.. I wish they did though |
| 09:39.26 | cladhaire | its not perfect |
| 09:39.29 | cladhaire | its one way to teach/learn |
| 09:39.34 | cladhaire | and certainly doesn't work for everything |
| 09:40.39 | matt1s | test driven development or teaching with test driven development? |
| 09:40.47 | cladhaire | both, actually |
| 09:40.54 | cladhaire | but that's neither here nor there. |
| 09:41.08 | nevcairiel | they are doing that on my university .. we always get a few test cases we're supposed to work our tasks against |
| 09:41.18 | a-stray-cat | matt1s: i don't get it. I clearly wasn't taught in this fashion ;O |
| 09:41.23 | a-stray-cat | do you write like a proof of concept first? |
| 09:41.32 | cladhaire | wikipedia reveals all |
| 09:41.37 | a-stray-cat | it probably does |
| 09:41.38 | cladhaire | no, there's no proof of concept |
| 09:41.50 | cladhaire | you write code to make sure your function will error on an invalid input |
| 09:41.55 | a-stray-cat | but firefox is occupied with the ui panel discussion from blizzcon ;p |
| 09:41.58 | cladhaire | then write the code that checks the invalid input until that test passes |
| 09:42.02 | cladhaire | repeat ad nauseum |
| 09:42.10 | a-stray-cat | oh |
| 09:42.57 | matt1s | yeah, but then the part about how you write your tests come into play.. TDD isn't always what you expect it to be, that's why I'm trying to conform to Behaviour Driven Development (BDD) instead |
| 09:43.22 | a-stray-cat | what happens if your function produces valid output for another function, but mangles it? |
| 09:44.40 | matt1s | Then one of your tests that cover that function only would pass, and your tests that gets the mangled output would fail |
| 09:45.33 | cladhaire | every time you fix a bug, you first write a test that triggers the bug |
| 09:45.36 | cladhaire | then fix it until the test passes |
| 09:45.45 | cladhaire | in theory |
| 09:45.50 | cladhaire | matt1s: bdd is hardly perfect as well |
| 09:45.53 | cladhaire | its just another way to do things |
| 09:45.54 | cladhaire | :P |
| 09:46.42 | a-stray-cat | i am not sure i understand, but i dont think i really need to for where i'm at ;x |
| 09:46.47 | cladhaire | look at wikipedia |
| 09:46.49 | cladhaire | :P |
| 09:46.51 | a-stray-cat | i am |
| 09:47.42 | sioraiocht | see, this is why i like functional programming languages ;) |
| 09:48.06 | sioraiocht | if you specify the domain and codomain of function, and it satifies pre and post conditions for those |
| 09:48.12 | sioraiocht | you know the function is correct! =p |
| 09:48.19 | cladhaire | yes, that's no different |
| 09:48.33 | sioraiocht | yeah, it's EASIER though =p |
| 09:48.33 | cladhaire | and tdd applies in a functional environment too |
| 09:48.54 | sioraiocht | cladhaire: i would even say TDD is more effective in a functional environment |
| 09:48.56 | sioraiocht | than an imperative one |
| 09:49.06 | matt1s | Yeah, there's probably as many ways to implement code as there's programmers out there :-) I like BDD though, it's easier to understand than TDD. As Dan North puts it, BDD is TDD done correct |
| 09:49.10 | cladhaire | yes, but an imperative one has more gain by using TDD |
| 09:49.11 | cladhaire | goes both ways |
| 09:49.13 | sioraiocht | also that it's more effective in a strongly typed language than a eakly typed one |
| 09:49.25 | cladhaire | matt1s: meh, i consider BDD yet another fad |
| 09:50.29 | matt1s | We've started using BDD, some elements from XP and Scrum where I work and it really does remove alot of the gap between the developers and the customer |
| 09:50.50 | sioraiocht | So does axiomatic semantics.. |
| 09:51.12 | cladhaire | so do alot of things :P |
| 09:51.20 | cladhaire | i'm not saying its shit, don't take that |
| 09:51.24 | cladhaire | but its "just another way to do things" |
| 09:51.36 | cladhaire | certainly not "the way to do things" or "x done right" |
| 09:51.43 | a-stray-cat | bdd is probably closer to what i do when i program |
| 09:51.53 | cladhaire | then it works for you :P |
| 09:52.07 | a-stray-cat | i just chug a lot of coke and go |
| 09:52.07 | a-stray-cat | ;P |
| 09:52.30 | matt1s | yeah it's just personal opinion :-) I've not tried that many techniques, but this works for us |
| 09:53.49 | cladhaire | matt1s: I've hard quite a number of BDD people, in particular fanatical ruby devs try to beat people over the head with "The Ruby way" and BDD. |
| 09:54.04 | a-stray-cat | i work completely differently from my friend :/ we were 'partners' in a comp sci class for a quarter |
| 09:54.08 | a-stray-cat | never again /shudder |
| 09:54.27 | cladhaire | Programming languages are like religion, there isn't one true way, and in the end the beliefs or practices boil down to something extremely similar. The sooner people realize this, the better we all will be |
| 09:54.31 | a-stray-cat | neither of us could see the other's vision of the program |
| 09:55.48 | matt1s | cladhaire: yeah I'm trying to not become fanatical and have an open mind to other ways of doing it. But I notice the more time and devotion I put into one way or the other, the more fanboi I become though. I guess it's just natural to defend your choices though |
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| 09:57.44 | cladhaire | indeed, and defense of one's position is okay |
| 09:57.51 | cladhaire | that's why i'm okay with everything you've said |
| 09:57.58 | cladhaire | just want to make sure people know there's more than one way out there |
| 09:59.04 | a-stray-cat | ive come to strongly dislike ruby :P mainly because every time i hear about ruby it's actually RoR and they're bashing PHP |
| 10:03.05 | cladhaire | ckknight has jumped on the ruby/bdd bandwagon lately, shockingly *vomit8 |
| 10:03.06 | cladhaire | lol |
| 10:03.09 | cladhaire | but to each their own |
| 10:04.52 | a-stray-cat | arrrgh i cant make heads nor tails of my own code |
| 10:04.54 | a-stray-cat | how sad is that |
| 10:05.12 | cladhaire | means you didn't document it as you went along |
| 10:05.18 | a-stray-cat | no, no i didnt ;( |
| 10:05.20 | cladhaire | lots of people make that mistake |
| 10:05.24 | cladhaire | my rule of thumb: |
| 10:05.29 | Kalroth | the source itself should be enough documentation! |
| 10:05.31 | a-stray-cat | i have stupidly obvious comments in my code |
| 10:05.46 | a-stray-cat | function NAME --this function does NAME. |
| 10:05.46 | matt1s | hehe, we dubbed all the different <x> Driven Development to Neckbeard Driven Development when we were researching what we were going to use, because 99% of the guys that were advocating their way of doing things usually had a neckbeard |
| 10:05.48 | cladhaire | if you had to think about what you were doing, rather than doing it mechanically, or are doing something that isn't blatantly clear from the source itself, you should write a comment. |
| 10:05.51 | matt1s | - usually |
| 10:06.20 | a-stray-cat | this happened last time i tried to do updates to this addon too |
| 10:06.30 | a-stray-cat | i ended up rewriting half of it to make sense out of it |
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| 10:09.44 | a-stray-cat | well, i certainly wrote this before i learned just how much fun lua could be. |
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| 10:33.34 | a-stray-cat | ack |
| 10:33.39 | a-stray-cat | i have horrible shameful mistakes in my code |
| 10:46.42 | a-stray-cat | okay, someone help me understand my own code |
| 10:46.44 | a-stray-cat | im passing a string |
| 10:46.56 | a-stray-cat | called group, and somehow when i do group.colors, it doesn't error out on me |
| 10:47.02 | a-stray-cat | but its definitely a string |
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| 10:56.48 | a-stray-cat | lua> local s = "test"; if not s.t then print("hi"); end |
| 10:56.48 | lua_bot | a-stray-cat: hi |
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| 13:23.20 | batrick | that should have errored :O |
| 13:23.31 | batrick | --> local s="d" return s.h |
| 13:23.31 | batbot | batrick: > nil |
| 13:23.44 | batrick | o right |
| 13:24.30 | batrick | a-stray-cat: it's because all strings have a metatable |
| 13:24.56 | batrick | O.o |
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| 14:06.40 | Wobin | bleeter: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcXkvG7F1_E |
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| 14:51.09 | TS|Skrom | pewpew |
| 14:51.11 | TS|Skrom | hi all |
| 14:52.46 | Polarina | My first addon is close to 7.000 downloads. :D |
| 14:54.26 | Josh_Borke | wow, very nice |
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| 14:55.23 | Polarina | Josh_Borke: Thanks. |
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| 14:59.50 | Lopeppepy | Good morning everypeople! |
| 15:00.25 | Lopeppepy | ZOMG, |Jelly| on a Monday, you're just too much! *hug* |
| 15:02.40 | Polarina | I'm going to add a nice little feature to my addon. :) |
| 15:03.07 | art3mis | will it make toast? |
| 15:03.10 | Cairenn|afk | that's what most authors do .... |
| 15:04.34 | Polarina | No, no toast. I'm coing to make it possible to show item prices in text style (Like SellFish) but with the extra "candy" that it even changes the Blizzard's money frame. So you still have that text style at items when you're at a vendor for example. :) |
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| 15:33.20 | TS|Skrom | ping deltron |
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| 15:34.23 | sag_ich_nicht | Mr_Rabies2 |
| 15:34.25 | sag_ich_nicht | are you there! |
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| 15:59.16 | Polarina | sag_ich_nicht: Hi. |
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| 16:01.40 | sag_ich_nicht | hi. |
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| 16:04.10 | cog|work | low. |
| 16:04.43 | sag_ich_nicht | oh that was just cheap, cog|work |
| 16:04.49 | sag_ich_nicht | btw. |
| 16:04.53 | sag_ich_nicht | anyone wanna stab the engbags author for me? |
| 16:05.01 | cog|work | lern2shefki |
| 16:05.17 | sag_ich_nicht | what. |
| 16:05.21 | sag_ich_nicht | http://www.curse.com/downloads/details/3280/ |
| 16:05.22 | sag_ich_nicht | there |
| 16:05.29 | sag_ich_nicht | wait |
| 16:05.30 | cog|work | http://www.curse.com/downloads/details/8064/ |
| 16:05.35 | sag_ich_nicht | maybe i can find an WoWI link |
| 16:05.47 | sag_ich_nicht | what |
| 16:06.27 | cog|work | it's YAEIF |
| 16:06.38 | cog|work | Yet Anothe EngInventory Fork |
| 16:06.45 | cog|work | s/the/ther/ |
| 16:07.51 | sag_ich_nicht | mhm |
| 16:07.57 | sag_ich_nicht | i'll try it |
| 16:07.59 | sag_ich_nicht | better not break stuff |
| 16:08.00 | sag_ich_nicht | :X |
| 16:10.26 | Polarina | - "Anyone knows a good addon to report spammers?" |
| 16:10.26 | Polarina | - "FrameXML - Right click -> ReportSpam." |
| 16:12.55 | Polarina | It happend on Ironforge's General channel on Anachronos. |
| 16:13.04 | sag_ich_nicht | lol. |
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| 16:13.37 | Polarina | It was a good realm after all. :) |
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| 16:50.01 | Lopeppepy | Nice to see you back, Jelly. *hugs* |
| 16:50.36 | |Jelly| | Had to mow. |
| 16:51.16 | |Jelly| | And of course I went and stupidly stepped in bull nettle. |
| 16:52.11 | Lopeppepy | That sounds like painful. Unless of course you were wearing workboots and pants? |
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| 16:52.47 | |Jelly| | Would now be a good time to allow you to laugh at the fact that I mow barefoot? |
| 16:52.51 | Adys | anyone with the wowhead client installed |
| 16:53.09 | Adys | err |
| 16:53.12 | Adys | wrong channel |
| 16:53.14 | Lopeppepy | |Jelly|... do you like your feets, dear? I mean, really like walking and stuff? |
| 16:53.26 | |Jelly| | Not really. They get in the way of not doing stuff. |
| 16:53.41 | Lopeppepy | Oh, well then, carry on just as always! |
| 16:53.46 | |Jelly| | <3 |
| 16:54.21 | kadrahil | http://files.filefront.com/STV+gankwmv/;9067504;/fileinfo.html |
| 16:54.24 | kadrahil | haha |
| 16:54.58 | kadrahil | mage almost kills shaman at nesingwary |
| 16:55.02 | kadrahil | shaman almost kills mage |
| 16:55.12 | kadrahil | mage turns in quests at low hp and dings, full hp and mana, kills shaman |
| 16:55.24 | |Jelly| | lol |
| 17:02.49 | sag_ich_nicht | cog|work: i don't like shefki's layout, and i can't be arsed to move it all to look like engbags |
| 17:02.50 | sag_ich_nicht | :P |
| 17:03.39 | cog|work | well don't complain about engbags then |
| 17:03.41 | cog|work | :P |
| 17:04.42 | sag_ich_nicht | i will continue to complain about the taint from engbags |
| 17:04.44 | sag_ich_nicht | leave me alone! |
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| 17:06.44 | sag_ich_nicht | 11/19 17:59:22.109 An action was blocked because of taint from NotesUNeed - LFGQuery() |
| 17:06.44 | sag_ich_nicht | 11/19 17:59:22.109 Interface\FrameXML\LFGFrame.lua:481 SendLFGQuery() |
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| 17:06.44 | sag_ich_nicht | 11/19 17:59:22.109 LFMFrame:OnEvent() |
| 17:07.08 | sag_ich_nicht | telic isn't here so i stab you |
| 17:07.12 | cog|work | sag_ich_nicht: |
| 17:07.18 | kd3 | gah. I'm glad I have a computer at all today |
| 17:07.24 | cog|work | i'd be willing to bet you have some other addon tainting all your crap |
| 17:07.27 | kd3 | woke up to the sound of my UPS committing suicide to save my computer |
| 17:07.40 | cog|work | sag_ich_nicht: if an addon works by itself without taint then stfu plx |
| 17:07.43 | cog|work | :P |
| 17:07.53 | sag_ich_nicht | cog|work: problem is that my LFG queries are bugging around |
| 17:07.55 | sag_ich_nicht | :P |
| 17:08.39 | Kaso | http://www.gametrailers.com/player/usermovies/131337.html |
| 17:08.41 | Kaso | <3 |
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| 17:14.59 | matt1s | I think I've read enough about Lua now to understand the syntax and how it fits together. Where can I read a nice tutorial how to create my first wow addon? I'd like to use Ace as a library |
| 17:15.35 | matt1s | nm I found the tutorial section on wowace |
| 17:16.09 | Polarina | matt1s: Don't start out with Ace. |
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| 17:16.16 | sag_ich_nicht | just don't |
| 17:16.28 | matt1s | why not? |
| 17:16.36 | sag_ich_nicht | it leads to bad addons if you don't know what you are doing and slap functions together |
| 17:16.52 | sag_ich_nicht | you outsource everything creating a huge resource hog addon that is just ewww and a mess |
| 17:17.28 | Polarina | matt1s: I didn't use Ace for my first addon and it's very popular now. |
| 17:18.10 | matt1s | Hm ok I can try without it and code directly on WoW's API then |
| 17:18.12 | zenzelezz | there's nothing wrong with using Ace or any other framework; but it may make things harder to learn initially |
| 17:19.00 | sag_ich_nicht | yes |
| 17:20.08 | cog|work | matt1s: think of it like baking... To be a good baker you need to understand all the ingredients do and how they interact. If you skip straight to prefabricated mixes you'll never really understand how to bake. |
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| 17:21.03 | cog|work | there was a missing or extra word in there... read it as you see fit |
| 17:22.55 | matt1s | I understand what you're saying, I was just hoping I might not have to code everything from scratch |
| 17:23.09 | |Jelly| | I love lag sometimes. I run up, mob aggros me, I prowl and pounce it. |
| 17:24.56 | Lopeppepy | Yeah... I get that with my rogue a lot too. |
| 17:25.13 | |Jelly| | <3 |
| 17:33.56 | Intangir | lol |
| 17:34.09 | Intangir | sometimes i stealth right as i being agroed |
| 17:34.12 | Intangir | thats about it |
| 17:44.35 | Rayne | mmmmm |
| 17:44.38 | Rayne | bbq wings |
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| 17:52.21 | foxlit | Whatever happened to wowchess? |
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| 18:00.11 | matt1s | When coding addons, do I have to reload the game for each change I make to i.e. a .xml / .lua ? |
| 18:00.20 | AnduinLothar | yes |
| 18:01.33 | zenzelezz | depends what you mean by reload. Sometimes reloading the UI is enough, other times you need to close and restart the game |
| 18:02.59 | matt1s | Hm, I was hoping there might be some kind of Addon mod that gave you a in-game debugger or something :-) That would've been nice |
| 18:04.00 | cog|work | matt1s: there are plenty of addons to help you along though a debugger is essentially impossible |
| 18:04.14 | Polarina | cog|work: Why? |
| 18:04.37 | cog|work | Polarina: because we don't have access to the debug lua library or wow source code |
| 18:04.48 | Polarina | cog|work: Ok. |
| 18:05.04 | Polarina | Stupid Blizzard... |
| 18:05.35 | cog|work | ... |
| 18:05.42 | cog|work | unimaginative Polarina imo |
| 18:05.54 | Polarina | Why don't they enable the debug library? |
| 18:06.03 | cog|work | security |
| 18:06.26 | Polarina | cog|work: They can easily make their taint code work on the debug library. |
| 18:06.43 | Rayne | If you made a game as large as WoW, would you want people to have full access to the coding and every possible corner? |
| 18:07.07 | Polarina | Rayne: Yes. |
| 18:07.24 | cog|work | matt1s: in my dev install I always have DevTools, LuaSlinger & WoWLua (plus ForAllIndentsAndPurposes & MonoLua for pretty) |
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| 18:09.16 | cog|work | Polarina: you like running windows in administrator mode with all your ports open? |
| 18:09.36 | Josh_Borke | cog|work: yep, sure do |
| 18:09.49 | Josh_Borke | cog|work: sitting nice and pretty behind a firewall blocking all ports |
| 18:09.58 | Polarina | cog|work: I don't run Windows, and I don't run it with super cow powers! |
| 18:10.14 | matt1s | cog|work: thanks, I'll look into it |
| 18:12.15 | cog|work | Polarina: lern2analogy imo |
| 18:12.20 | cog|work | :> |
| 18:14.34 | cog|work | Polarina: http://www.lua.org/pil/23.html esp. paragraph 2 |
| 18:15.08 | matt1s | cog|work: any reason why you have both WoWLua and LuaSlinger? |
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| 18:17.39 | cog|work | matt1s: the difference between writing a script and executing a single line can be fairly prominent in certain scenarios |
| 18:37.02 | Shirik|zZz | soo my modem is broke |
| 18:37.13 | Shirik|zZz | As far as I can tell, I'm still connected, but the little "cable" light on it is out |
| 18:38.46 | zenzelezz | anyone seen Shirik lately? |
| 18:38.51 | Shirik|zZz | I hate you |
| 18:39.35 | Josh_Borke | zenzelezz: no, but i've seen a shirik|zZz a lot |
| 18:44.27 | Shirik | huh |
| 18:44.34 | Shirik | I didn't have as bad overhealing with CoH as I thought I did |
| 18:44.37 | Shirik | maybe I should keep it :/ |
| 18:45.14 | Shirik | Cide: You have CoH, right? How often do you use it? |
| 18:45.37 | Shirik | I might have used it too much >< |
| 18:47.48 | zenzelezz | using it less would mean more overheal? |
| 18:48.35 | Shirik | heh, probably >< |
| 18:48.52 | Shirik | but it would also mean more 5k+ heals on people that really need them |
| 18:48.55 | Shirik | instead of little 1k heals |
| 18:52.23 | Shirik | hehe http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2007/11/09 (language) |
| 18:53.41 | Xuerian | lol |
| 18:56.08 | deltron | haha |
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| 18:59.44 | Cide | Shirik: never :) |
| 18:59.57 | Cide | Shirik: I play a druid nowadays :/ |
| 19:00.47 | zenzelezz | boomkin? Feral? |
| 19:01.23 | cog|work | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2971962952&pageNo=2&sid=1#27 <---- WTF is he smoking? |
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| 19:08.06 | dreamss | lol shrik |
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| 19:11.02 | Polarina | Stupid Hibernate buttons. |
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| 19:25.12 | Cairenn|afk | cog|work: there, tried to find out |
| 19:25.13 | cog|work | I doubt anything this wannabe lawer (i'm assuming) can do would be remotely comparable to what people like you and Iriel do for authors ;) |
| 19:25.13 | zenzelezz | now now, let's not forget that an Internet connection always comes with a diploma making you an instant lawyer |
| 19:25.22 | Cairenn | I'm presuming he's a wanna be lawyer too - but it still begs the question wtf he thinks he can do to "help out mod developers a great deal" based on the conversation in the thread |
| 19:25.35 | Cairenn | zenzelezz: true dat! |
| 19:25.41 | foxlit | Isn't the current situation basically the best possible one? |
| 19:25.57 | foxlit | As far as addon authors are concerned, anyway. |
| 19:26.49 | cog|work | foxlit: my imagination has him filing a class action lawsuit against blizzard demanding that they open up their API source code and allowing us access to protected functions :| |
| 19:27.15 | Cairenn | *shudder* |
| 19:27.38 | Polarina | cog|work: They could at least make some official API documentation. |
| 19:27.42 | foxlit | zomg anticompetiveness and closed protocols! |
| 19:27.45 | foxlit | burn burn burn! |
| 19:27.46 | Shirik | Cide: Oops |
| 19:27.51 | Shirik | I meant clad >< |
| 19:27.52 | cog|work | Polarina: they don't even HAVE official documentation |
| 19:27.57 | cog|work | plus it changes too frequently |
| 19:28.07 | Polarina | cog|work: With the least minimum being the return values and arguments. |
| 19:28.20 | cog|work | Polarina: it's there for the most part in the usage strings |
| 19:28.24 | foxlit | Polarina: most of that is in error text :) |
| 19:28.34 | Shirik | oh god, this whole ownership question again? |
| 19:28.43 | cog|work | Shirik: not exactly |
| 19:28.43 | Polarina | foxlit: Yes, but it's too slow to do it by hand. |
| 19:28.46 | Shirik | It's quite literally spelled out in the GPL, and that statement has been proven in court |
| 19:28.57 | cog|work | but yeah |
| 19:29.00 | Shirik | Just because you link to something does not make it part of that program, it's a separate program with its own rights |
| 19:29.00 | cog|work | he's way off base |
| 19:29.23 | Cairenn | Shirik: we don't know for sure that that is what he is on about, although it certainly sounds like it |
| 19:29.38 | foxlit | p2p over WoW, off we go |
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| 19:29.56 | Shirik | otherwise every java application would be owned by Sun |
| 19:29.57 | Shirik | that would be fun |
| 19:30.19 | Shirik | btw did Sun microsystems get bought out or something? |
| 19:30.29 | Shirik | I noticed their trade symbol changed to "JAVA" |
| 19:30.46 | Tuller | they did that to be more "modern" |
| 19:30.50 | Tuller | or something other businesspeak |
| 19:31.02 | cog|work | Shirik: it was a marketing ploy |
| 19:31.30 | cog|work | i think slashdot linked an article about it back when it happened |
| 19:31.36 | Tuller | true |
| 19:33.05 | cog|work | sun press release: http://www.sun.com/aboutsun/pr/2007-08/sunflash.20070823.1.xml |
| 19:34.25 | Shirik | huh |
| 19:34.30 | Shirik | strange marketing people |
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| 19:40.56 | matt1s | Is there a hello world example somewhere that shows hello world in a frame? I just want a working example of a .lua, .xml and .toc file working together |
| 19:41.07 | matt1s | a simple example :P |
| 19:41.26 | Cairenn | o.O his response |
| 19:41.58 | foxlit | joeyjoejoe777@yahoo.com |
| 19:42.03 | |Jelly| | rofl |
| 19:42.19 | foxlit | matt1s: You get a relatively decent tutorial with the addonkit |
| 19:42.24 | foxlit | ~addonkit |
| 19:42.24 | purl | Located at http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/ui/ the addonkit is "The World of Warcraft User Interface Customization tool that allows users to tweak and customize the User Interface." |
| 19:42.27 | foxlit | Try that :) |
| 19:42.58 | cog|work | are the realms down or something? |
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| 19:43.44 | foxlit | someone somewhere complained about US login servers earlier |
| 19:43.45 | cog|work | the forums are responding like FEMA during a hurricane |
| 19:43.54 | foxlit | EU is faultless |
| 19:44.02 | Shirik | EU has a ton of faults |
| 19:44.07 | matt1s | thanks foxlit |
| 19:44.13 | Shirik | the WoW servers at EU, however, may have no problems |
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| 19:45.00 | zenzelezz | I would totally trust a lawyer with an e-mail such as joeyjoejoe777@yahoo.com |
| 19:47.44 | foxlit | http://users.design.ucla.edu/~akoblin/work/faa/Documentationl2.html |
| 19:48.23 | foxlit | (quicktime) |
| 19:50.21 | Cairenn | well, it'll be interesting to see if he shows up in here |
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| 19:52.58 | Cairenn | *chuckle* |
| 19:53.00 | batrick | o ya? |
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| 19:56.19 | Shirik | he's probably here right now |
| 19:56.21 | Shirik | like that kamdis guy |
| 19:56.30 | Shirik | I bet that's him |
| 19:56.48 | Shirik | (Actually I was going to say spathi but then kamdis joined and I just had to) |
| 19:56.56 | Cairenn | heh |
| 19:57.10 | kamdis | that kamdis chick! |
| 19:57.16 | kamdis | :P |
| 19:57.27 | Shirik|AFK | ~irc |
| 19:57.32 | purl | "Welcome to IRC: where the men are men, the women are men, and the little girls are FBI agents." |
| 19:57.33 | kamdis | blah blah |
| 19:58.14 | kamdis | i assume you were talking about Mr. I Have Things of Interest to the Developer Community? |
| 19:58.18 | Cairenn | yeah |
| 19:58.29 | kamdis | that's why I logged on, lol |
| 19:58.31 | Cairenn | cog|work suggested he join the channel |
| 19:58.34 | Cairenn | ahhhhh |
| 19:58.34 | zenzelezz | hey, he has a name |
| 19:58.35 | kamdis | don't want to miss it |
| 19:58.35 | Cairenn | hehehhe |
| 19:58.46 | zenzelezz | not his fault his parents called him Joey Joe Joe |
| 19:58.51 | kamdis | rofl |
| 19:59.07 | Cairenn | seriously though guys, if he does join the channel, be sure to let him take lots of rope before you use it on him |
| 19:59.26 | Cairenn | lets see just where the hell he thinks he's going with this |
| 19:59.29 | zenzelezz | yeah; the more rope, the stonger the noose |
| 19:59.35 | zenzelezz | stronger too |
| 19:59.36 | Cairenn | zenzelezz: precisely |
| 19:59.46 | cog|work | anyone who hasn't already established a position in that thread should totally agree with him |
| 19:59.56 | Cairenn | I haven't |
| 20:00.25 | |Jelly| | Has he even stated what he could do for them? |
| 20:00.30 | Cairenn | no |
| 20:00.37 | |Jelly| | SEEKRIT |
| 20:00.42 | Cairenn | yup |
| 20:00.49 | Cairenn | that's why we're trying to get him in here |
| 20:01.11 | kamdis | I'm just going to watch and laugh. |
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| 20:01.19 | |Jelly| | I'm going to be gone. :( |
| 20:01.26 | zenzelezz | you know... I think it just might be malreth |
| 20:01.30 | malreth | MEOW!!! |
| 20:01.38 | Cairenn | purr |
| 20:01.38 | zenzelezz | it's just too much of a coincidence |
| 20:01.51 | malreth | have i caused trouble again? |
| 20:02.02 | cog|work | HAI MALRETH |
| 20:02.15 | malreth | hai 2 u! |
| 20:02.30 | malreth | i maked u a addon but i eated it |
| 20:02.43 | cog|work | u eated my addon? |
| 20:02.53 | malreth | i got sick after |
| 20:03.11 | Cairenn | we've come up with 3 possible scenarios so far - class action lawsuit demanding that the API be opened up - class action lawsuit for blizz breaking mods all the time - class action lawsuit for Blizz incorporating mod functionality into the default UI |
| 20:03.34 | kamdis | he deined scenario 1 in his most recent post |
| 20:03.40 | kamdis | *denied |
| 20:03.45 | Cairenn | just getting to it |
| 20:04.18 | Shirik|AFK | Cairenn: I have a better idea |
| 20:04.31 | Shirik|AFK | We create a class action lawsuit against him for him wasting our time |
| 20:04.32 | Shirik|AFK | yeah? |
| 20:04.52 | Cairenn | for those just catching up: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2971962952&sid=1 |
| 20:04.58 | malreth | nonsense... the thread was highly entertaining |
| 20:05.03 | Shirik|AFK | but I must voyage to class |
| 20:05.06 | malreth | we should be paying him for the pleasure |
| 20:05.07 | Shirik|AFK | a bientot |
| 20:05.16 | Cairenn | later Shirik|AFK |
| 20:05.45 | cog|work | like $14/mo for WoW :P |
| 20:06.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | <sag_ich_nicht> Mr_Rabies2 |
| 20:06.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | <sag_ich_nicht> are you there! |
| 20:06.12 | Polarina | On WoW forums: "Server is busy, please try again" |
| 20:06.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | i am now |
| 20:06.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | but you're not, dammit |
| 20:06.21 | cog|work | Polarina: agreed |
| 20:06.26 | kamdis | Polarina, the forums are molasses today :( |
| 20:06.29 | cog|work | needs moar hamster |
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| 20:07.26 | *** join/#wowi-lounge tardmrr_ (i=44e16765@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-11f4f6268c4bc904) |
| 20:07.53 | tardmrr_ | neat |
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| 20:08.53 | cdog | hai cog|work |
| 20:08.58 | cog|work | sup, cdog |
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| 20:09.09 | malreth | well, if his job was to sell something, he successfully gathered interest in it |
| 20:09.15 | Tem | cog|work, it's not nice to have a conversation with yourself |
| 20:09.24 | Tem | the rest of us feel left out |
| 20:09.24 | cog|work | Tem: tell that to tardmrr_ |
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| 20:09.43 | Tem | he's being nice |
| 20:09.46 | Tem | give him a break |
| 20:09.54 | cog|work | me gives tardmrr_ a break |
| 20:09.58 | cog|work | +/ |
| 20:10.04 | Tem | =p |
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| 20:10.13 | MentalPower | kamdis: you're too fast (http://ircatwork.com/) :P |
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| 20:10.52 | |Jelly| | Peppy! MY UI! |
| 20:11.11 | Lopeppepy | I know, I broked it on you, sorry. *hangs head* |
| 20:11.16 | Tem | They're on me! I'm getting careless! |
| 20:12.20 | Lopeppepy | Or take a shower. |
| 20:12.21 | Fin | does a door jam? |
| 20:12.24 | Tem | no one? |
| 20:12.28 | Tem | *sigh* |
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| 20:17.25 | kamdis | MentalPower, it's my compulsive need to post. :P |
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| 20:20.51 | malreth | So, has anything big or important happened while I was in prison? |
| 20:21.34 | Josh_Borke | wb malreth |
| 20:21.58 | malreth | thanks, Josh_Borke. Know any good hookers? |
| 20:22.09 | Josh_Borke | i heard tain was pretty good |
| 20:22.31 | Josh_Borke | buti have no experience in those sorts of matters |
| 20:22.50 | malreth | Understood. *wink wink nudge* |
| 20:25.55 | malreth | aw... Sorg ran away... |
| 20:26.08 | malreth | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2971962952&pageNo=3&sid=1#41 |
| 20:26.23 | cog|work | :( |
| 20:27.52 | foxlit | lua> print(math.random(1), math.random(1), math.random(1), math.random(1), math.random(1)); |
| 20:27.52 | lua_bot | foxlit: 1, 1, 1, 1, 1 |
| 20:27.59 | foxlit | So it's 1-max, okay :) |
| 20:28.24 | Lopeppepy | So I saw, Malreth. It's sad. |
| 20:28.56 | Intangir | http://www.vajoe.com/candidate_calculator.html |
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| 20:28.58 | malreth | ooh! a Lua bot! |
| 20:29.02 | sag_ich_nicht | no |
| 20:29.04 | sag_ich_nicht | i'm not a bot |
| 20:29.06 | sag_ich_nicht | :( |
| 20:29.11 | Polarina | lua> math.random(0.9) |
| 20:29.12 | lua_bot | Polarina: 1, |
| 20:29.26 | sag_ich_nicht | >>> math.random(0.9) |
| 20:29.27 | Cide | sag_ich_nicht: 1 |
| 20:29.31 | sag_ich_nicht | noobs. |
| 20:29.31 | Polarina | lua> math.random(math.random(1024)) |
| 20:29.31 | lua_bot | Polarina: 308, |
| 20:29.49 | cog|work | malreth: there's up to 3 now, at any given moment :P |
| 20:30.00 | cog|work | lua> "I'm cladhaire's" |
| 20:30.00 | lua_bot | cog|work: I'm cladhaire's |
| 20:30.04 | Intangir | tell me what you get :) |
| 20:30.06 | cog|work | >>> "I'm Cide's" |
| 20:30.06 | Cide | cog|work: "I'm Cide's" |
| 20:30.24 | cog|work | --> "hi" |
| 20:30.24 | batbot | cog|work: > hi |
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| 20:30.42 | MentalPower | --> "I'm batrick's" |
| 20:30.42 | batbot | MentalPower: > I'm batrick's |
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| 20:31.01 | Polarina | --> _G["math_old"] = _G["math"]; _G["math"] = nil; |
| 20:31.02 | batbot | Polarina: > [string "0"]:1: cannot modify secure global variables |
| 20:31.18 | malreth | i guess they're protected against infinite loops and stuffs |
| 20:31.22 | malreth | that would make sense |
| 20:31.28 | cog|work | yep |
| 20:31.30 | MentalPower | >>> while true do end |
| 20:31.31 | malreth | and they're likely sandboxed |
| 20:31.35 | Cide | MentalPower: maximum execution time (5s) exceeded |
| 20:31.37 | Polarina | --> while true do end |
| 20:31.39 | malreth | so no io |
| 20:31.42 | batbot | Polarina: > [string "0"]:1: cannot execute for more than 5 seconds |
| 20:31.59 | Polarina | --> while true do print("Test!\n") end |
| 20:32.04 | batbot | Polarina: > ./sandbox.lua:208: cannot execute for more than 5 seconds |
| 20:32.38 | malreth | they also probably buffer the output and won't post if it's over a certain char count |
| 20:32.38 | MentalPower | >>> type(io) |
| 20:32.39 | Cide | MentalPower: "nil" |
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| 20:32.41 | Cairenn | awww, I go out for 10 minutes and he gets scared away! no fun! |
| 20:33.03 | Polarina | --> for i=1,4096 do print("Test!\n") end |
| 20:33.03 | batbot | Polarina: Test!\n Test!\n Test!\n Test!\n Test!\n Test!\n Test!\n Test!\n Test!\n Test!\n Test!\n Test!\n Test!\n Test!\n Test!\n Test!\n Test!\n Test!\n Test!\n Test!\n ...(tldr) |
| 20:33.22 | malreth | ah, and they escape control chars too |
| 20:33.33 | Polarina | Not good... :| |
| 20:33.34 | cog|work | "(tldr)" wins |
| 20:33.36 | cog|work | imo |
| 20:33.40 | Cide | malreth: how can you have *missed* this? :) |
| 20:34.07 | malreth | cide: there was no wireless internet in my cell |
| 20:34.08 | Kaso | escape control chars to stop you doing \r\nPRIVMSG etcetc |
| 20:34.14 | Polarina | --> for i=1,4096 do print("Test!\0") end |
| 20:34.14 | batbot | Polarina: Test!\0 Test!\0 Test!\0 Test!\0 Test!\0 Test!\0 Test!\0 Test!\0 Test!\0 Test!\0 Test!\0 Test!\0 Test!\0 Test!\0 Test!\0 Test!\0 Test!\0 Test!\0 Test!\0 Test!\0 ...(tldr) |
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| 20:35.01 | Polarina | --> print("\\") |
| 20:35.01 | batbot | Polarina: \ |
| 20:35.11 | Polarina | --> print("\\n\n") |
| 20:35.11 | batbot | Polarina: \n\n |
| 20:35.16 | Polarina | batbot: You fail! |
| 20:35.45 | Cide | you can't argue that it's wrong, given the output format :) |
| 20:35.51 | Kaso | I'm really curious about that sorg fellow! |
| 20:35.58 | Cide | "\n\n" would be incorrect, however |
| 20:35.59 | Polarina | Ciden: I sure can. |
| 20:36.07 | Kaso | Cairenn, keep an eye on his pm's and tell us anything interesting!! :p |
| 20:36.22 | Polarina | Kaso: His PMs? |
| 20:36.39 | Kaso | he said he was gonna pm some people on wowi did he not ? |
| 20:36.49 | Cairenn | he said he would think about it |
| 20:37.04 | Kaso | i realise that cair wouldnt invade our privacy like that (proberly) |
| 20:37.35 | Cairenn | Kaso: you'd be correct in that |
| 20:38.00 | Kaso | shame, you'd make a nice totaliarian dictator i think! |
| 20:39.06 | Cairenn | except when I wouldn't, right? ;) |
| 20:39.28 | malreth | Cairenn, if you were a dictator what law would you enact for all of your citizens to follow? |
| 20:39.49 | MentalPower | oh dear... |
| 20:39.50 | Cairenn | heh, can't even think that way, sorry |
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| 20:40.14 | Tyrolit | Hi all |
| 20:40.14 | TS|Skrom | let them eat cake |
| 20:40.17 | TS|Skrom | would be mine |
| 20:40.23 | Cairenn | hi |
| 20:40.25 | Tyrolit | mmm cake |
| 20:40.36 | Josh_Borke | TS|Skrom: what about the people with diabetes? |
| 20:40.36 | malreth | it could be anything like requiring them to wear a certain scarf or insignia or something |
| 20:40.43 | Josh_Borke | they can't very well just eat cake |
| 20:40.47 | TS|Skrom | I was walking past my bosses office today on my way to lunch (it was almost 2:00 |
| 20:40.53 | kd3 | the cake is a lie |
| 20:40.56 | TS|Skrom | she said "where you going?" , "to lunch" |
| 20:41.02 | MentalPower | the cake... kd3 beat me to it |
| 20:41.16 | TS|Skrom | She said "but lunch is over!" and in a very ccc moment I said "hey, lunch isn't over, til the fat guy eats" |
| 20:41.26 | Cairenn | ROFL |
| 20:41.40 | Tyrolit | ill have to remember that one :) |
| 20:41.48 | zenzelezz | there's no use crying over every mistake, you just keep on trying until you run out of cake |
| 20:41.49 | malreth | :D |
| 20:42.15 | Kaso | zenzelezz, http://www.gametrailers.com/player/usermovies/131337.html |
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| 20:42.48 | malreth | http://www.craftster.org/forum/index.php?topic=205426.0 |
| 20:42.57 | kd3 | gotta love some of the other irc channels I'm on... |
| 20:43.00 | kd3 | http://www.toyslogic.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=1552 |
| 20:43.00 | zenzelezz | heh, a live version? |
| 20:43.05 | Kaso | mmhm! |
| 20:43.21 | Tyrolit | i need a tip if anyone can help, how easy is it to make mini map and chat frames mouse wheel scrollable? |
| 20:43.31 | Cide | easy |
| 20:44.23 | Cairenn | cog|work: lol, he responded again! |
| 20:44.41 | malreth | Sorg is one smart cookie. |
| 20:44.55 | Tyrolit | any tips on where to start? been looking thro framexml on minimap.xml and cant even find the scroll buttons |
| 20:44.56 | malreth | chat frames scrolling is easy |
| 20:45.09 | Kaso | http://www.wowwiki.com/UIHANDLER_OnMouseWheel |
| 20:45.15 | Tyrolit | ty |
| 20:46.19 | Josh_Borke | you people are awful, instigating him to get around his work enforced rules |
| 20:47.56 | kadrahil | work? |
| 20:48.13 | kadrahil | is that what i'm supposed to be doing now? crap |
| 20:48.22 | TS|Skrom | what is this work? never in my life have I heard this work? |
| 20:48.23 | malreth | ChatFrame1:SetScript("OnMouseWheel", function(f,d) if dir > 0 then f:ScrollUp() elseif d < 0 then f:ScrollDown() end end) |
| 20:48.29 | malreth | i think that'll work |
| 20:48.35 | malreth | do |
| 20:48.38 | malreth | doh |
| 20:48.42 | kadrahil | Back to the cold dark with this work! |
| 20:48.53 | Tyrolit | Thanks alot Malreth |
| 20:48.55 | malreth | ChatFrame1:SetScript("OnMouseWheel", function(f,d) if d > 0 then f:ScrollUp() elseif d < 0 then f:ScrollDown() end end) |
| 20:48.57 | kadrahil | man, i miss the shade fight |
| 20:49.01 | kadrahil | it's been so long |
| 20:49.31 | malreth | most addons that do chat frame scrolling also handle the shift key to scroll to top and bottom |
| 20:50.08 | Kaso | http://steampowered.com/status/ep2/ep2_stats.php is pretty interesting |
| 20:50.14 | malreth | and it'd be better to create a single local function and pass that to SetScript for each chat frame instead of using an anonymous function |
| 20:50.30 | Polarina | malreth: It's ChatFrame1:HookScript. |
| 20:50.54 | malreth | Polarina: only if you want to play nice with other addons. >:) |
| 20:53.45 | malreth | oh, like it says on the wowwiki page, you'll probably have to call EnableMouseWheel first |
| 20:53.57 | malreth | so, i guess it can't be done in one line of code |
| 20:54.30 | Tyrolit | :) with those tips im well on the way thanks |
| 20:55.10 | Tyrolit | excuise smilies sorry bad habit |
| 20:55.35 | Cairenn | lol, not a problem, smilies are used a lot in here |
| 20:55.41 | Cide | NO THEY'RE NOT |
| 20:55.48 | Cide | THIS CHANNEL IS SERIOUS BUSINESS ONLY. |
| 20:55.51 | Cairenn | eeep! /me hides |
| 20:56.05 | Tyrolit | i r serious cat? |
| 20:56.14 | malreth | serious cat is serious |
| 20:56.14 | Cairenn | Cide is skeery |
| 20:56.21 | Cide | skeery Cide is skeery |
| 20:56.31 | Cide | and I have voice, bitches. |
| 20:56.38 | Kaso | hahaha |
| 20:56.53 | Cairenn | someone hold me? |
| 20:56.55 | Cairenn | *whimper* |
| 20:57.01 | Cide | better? |
| 20:57.04 | Cairenn | yes |
| 20:57.06 | Kaso | i take it back, cide would make a much better totaliarian dictator |
| 20:57.15 | Cairenn | lol |
| 20:57.30 | Josh_Borke | there's a light cide? |
| 20:57.38 | Cide | no, I'm like zelda |
| 20:57.39 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 20:57.51 | Cide | well, that'd be Link |
| 20:57.53 | Cide | only I'm trapped in the dark world |
| 20:59.05 | Josh_Borke | i thought link was trapped in the past? |
| 20:59.19 | Cide | wrong |
| 20:59.25 | Cide | he's trapped in my basement |
| 20:59.32 | Esamynn | ~poke Cid |
| 20:59.33 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Cid, pokes Cid repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 20:59.33 | Josh_Borke | tied up like a sex toy? |
| 20:59.35 | Esamynn | ~poke Cide |
| 20:59.35 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Cide, pokes Cide repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 20:59.49 | Cide | Josh_Borke: oh you wish, naughty little boy |
| 20:59.51 | Esamynn | ~lart Josh_Borke |
| 20:59.51 | purl | raises middle finger to Josh_Borke |
| 20:59.56 | Cide | ok I'll stop |
| 20:59.59 | Cide | off to play tf2 |
| 21:01.33 | malreth | no. don't. stop... :| |
| 21:01.45 | Cide | ok |
| 21:01.53 | Cide | I'll see what I can do |
| 21:02.03 | Cide | that's fairly disturbing |
| 21:02.04 | Cairenn | malreth: that's the problem with sadists - they always stop, no matter how much you beg |
| 21:02.30 | Josh_Borke | well now |
| 21:02.34 | malreth | sorry... they locked me away for quite a while |
| 21:02.42 | Cairenn | errr, Cide-ists |
| 21:02.47 | Cide | lol |
| 21:02.49 | malreth | lulz |
| 21:02.57 | Esamynn | malreth: looks to me like they didn't lock you away for long enough :P |
| 21:02.57 | Josh_Borke | i have a druid in my guild name "thesadist" :-/ |
| 21:03.10 | Cide | playing a druid is masochism |
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| 21:03.18 | Saint-N | hehe cide-ists would be people that love the elemination of living matter ;P |
| 21:03.20 | Josh_Borke | i thought playing a paladin was |
| 21:04.44 | foxlit | Nah, druids are <3 |
| 21:05.33 | Tyrolit | thanks for tips guys off to work on it, and this 8 pack'o'beer p.s ill try not to upload anything tonight while drunk and upload the wrong files *looks innocent* not that ive ever done that |
| 21:05.48 | Cairenn | lol |
| 21:05.51 | Esamynn | haha |
| 21:07.42 | malreth | holy crap! beer comes in 8 packs now? |
| 21:08.02 | Josh_Borke | malreth: we all drive flying cars too |
| 21:08.10 | malreth | you a lie! |
| 21:08.19 | Josh_Borke | i'm not a lie |
| 21:08.29 | Josh_Borke | or if i was, i'm a very well constructed lie |
| 21:08.44 | malreth | Key the Metal Idol is a well constructed lie |
| 21:09.02 | a-stray-cat | anyone happen to know the path to the questionmark button texture? |
| 21:09.03 | a-stray-cat | ;p |
| 21:09.04 | malreth | sorry... that's probably a tiny bit obscure |
| 21:10.07 | Esamynn | a-stray-cat: you're assuming there IS such a texture :P |
| 21:10.52 | Esamynn | what it it's just a text field on a button? |
| 21:10.52 | Esamynn | if* |
| 21:10.52 | a-stray-cat | eh |
| 21:10.53 | a-stray-cat | its the texture that shows up as the default macro texture |
| 21:10.55 | a-stray-cat | its a red ? |
| 21:11.00 | Esamynn | oh that one |
| 21:12.25 | a-stray-cat | nvm i found it |
| 21:12.26 | Esamynn | a-stray-cat: http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetMacroIconInfo might help you |
| 21:12.38 | a-stray-cat | yeah its own that page as its example lol |
| 21:14.15 | foxlit | The easiest way to suppress an error in a specific code block is to move the block to a separate function and pcall it? |
| 21:14.47 | Esamynn | sure |
| 21:14.56 | Esamynn | or..., you could fix the problem :P |
| 21:15.13 | foxlit | It's a runtime issue. |
| 21:15.30 | foxlit | I don't really feel like validating a large number of capture returns :) |
| 21:15.45 | Esamynn | lazy! |
| 21:17.59 | Polarina | Esamynn: It might in few situations actually be faster. |
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| 21:32.31 | Cairenn | there, I tried prodding sorg some more, see if we can get some more amusement for the day |
| 21:38.00 | malreth | you just can't help yourself, Cair... |
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| 21:52.43 | kamdis | oh my http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2968233148&sid=1 |
| 21:52.52 | kamdis | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:53.37 | foxlit | "Pirating work. I think you should think about what you are saying. WoW mods are public domain, actually owned by Blizzard." |
| 21:53.38 | kamdis | uploading addons without permission of the authors makes me /sadface |
| 21:53.43 | foxlit | http://wow.incgamers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=406631&page=3 |
| 21:54.55 | kd3 | wow, I wonder if this is what spawned that thread in the UI forum earlier today |
| 21:55.08 | kamdis | quite possibly |
| 21:57.09 | foxlit | Hey |
| 21:57.19 | foxlit | Isn't that awesomely exploitable? |
| 21:57.47 | foxlit | Some server somewhere downloads data from an RSS feed; you can choke and crash that relatively easily if you wanted to. |
| 21:57.50 | Polarina | Ace is GPL. If so, mirroring their files is 100% legal. |
| 21:58.25 | cog|work | Polarina: ace is |
| 21:58.30 | cog|work | the addons you make with them aren't |
| 21:58.35 | cog|work | unless specifically stated to be so |
| 21:58.46 | Polarina | cog|work: Correct. |
| 21:58.56 | foxlit | And besides |
| 21:59.08 | foxlit | Stuff in Ace SVN isn't always Ace. |
| 21:59.14 | Polarina | cog|work: But mirroring is competely legal unless the authors specify otherwise! |
| 21:59.33 | Saint-N | bahahaha |
| 21:59.39 | Saint-N | wow mods are NOT p[roperty of blizzard |
| 21:59.49 | cog|work | Polarina: how? |
| 21:59.50 | Saint-N | they are property of the creator, blizzard did not make lua |
| 22:00.04 | kamdis | only of the libraries, Polarina |
| 22:00.10 | cog|work | where do they give permission to mirror them? |
| 22:00.11 | Saint-N | they integrated and support it but it's not thiers nor is the mod created, despite it only have a real use in wow |
| 22:00.20 | Polarina | cog|work: Because these are laws. If you find something on the internet, you can redisturbe it unless the author specifies otherwise. |
| 22:00.28 | malreth | oh my gosh |
| 22:00.30 | cog|work | Polarina: wrong |
| 22:00.32 | malreth | that's so wrong |
| 22:00.33 | Saint-N | no |
| 22:00.33 | cog|work | very very wrong |
| 22:00.34 | kamdis | very wrong |
| 22:00.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | does anyone here play a shaman? |
| 22:00.40 | malreth | i mean totally completely totally absolutely wrong |
| 22:00.44 | foxlit | Hi |
| 22:00.56 | Polarina | Explain it to me why I am wrong. |
| 22:00.57 | Saint-N | if you find it on the internet it is up to YOU to find out if it's legal to redistro, NOT the author tracking you down |
| 22:01.08 | cog|work | Polarina: posting something publicly is not a grant of copyright |
| 22:01.14 | foxlit | Case in point: RIAA making-available lawsuits |
| 22:01.15 | Polarina | Saint-N: Yes, that was what I was saying. |
| 22:01.22 | foxlit | You found an mp3 on the internet |
| 22:01.28 | foxlit | It happens to contain copyrighted music |
| 22:01.32 | foxlit | You share it using p2p |
| 22:01.37 | malreth | Copyright forbids the redistribution of a work *unless* explicitly stated |
| 22:01.42 | Saint-N | AND should the authors say "we'd like it not on your site thanks, YOU have to remove it |
| 22:01.43 | foxlit | You are found guilty of piracy and pay fines. |
| 22:01.47 | Saint-N | plain and simple |
| 22:01.47 | malreth | Polarina: you have it backwards |
| 22:02.30 | cog|work | Polarina: copyright is assumed at the moment you create a work. No one else has any interest in it unless you give it to them |
| 22:02.33 | malreth | Polarina: unless something explicitly states that it can be redistributed, it cannot |
| 22:02.43 | malreth | note: this is under US law |
| 22:02.52 | cog|work | and international treaties |
| 22:02.54 | cog|work | :P |
| 22:03.15 | malreth | well, local laws may have slightly different interpretations |
| 22:03.39 | malreth | <-- deals with this a lot over on several photography forums |
| 22:03.52 | dreamss | heh |
| 22:03.57 | foxlit | Meh "We've turned this off now." |
| 22:03.59 | foxlit | No fun! |
| 22:04.01 | Esamynn | ~lart kamdis |
| 22:04.01 | purl | chops kamdis in half with a free AOL CD |
| 22:04.07 | cog|work | Polarina: you're suffering from the same kind of misconception that makes people think addons are automatically open source |
| 22:04.09 | foxlit | I demand drama never-ending |
| 22:04.18 | Esamynn | kamdis: bad popcorn person |
| 22:04.29 | malreth | foxlit, i'm pregnant |
| 22:04.34 | malreth | and you're the mother! |
| 22:04.43 | Esamynn | ... |
| 22:04.46 | foxlit | malreth: let's |
| 22:05.25 | dreamss | vcdquality.com once had its domain taken away by having a studio email the register |
| 22:05.32 | dreamss | no court or anything |
| 22:06.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | halp halp |
| 22:06.10 | dreamss | rabies i play a shaman |
| 22:06.12 | dreamss | whats up |
| 22:06.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | someone help me with this shaman build |
| 22:06.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2968113394&postId=29492093105&sid=1#0 |
| 22:06.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | read mah thread |
| 22:06.25 | kamdis | I still contend it's relevant for discussion ehre, though. |
| 22:06.28 | kamdis | *here |
| 22:07.14 | dreamss | rabies is that for pvp? |
| 22:07.20 | Esamynn | Mr_Rabies2: I'm not a super experienced shaman, but I tend to ignore the Imp Weapon Totems talent infavour of the STR and Agil Totems |
| 22:07.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | both |
| 22:07.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | well, Esamynn, i needed to put points somewhere |
| 22:07.36 | dreamss | what esam said |
| 22:07.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | and my only other option was dodge really |
| 22:07.47 | Polarina | cog|work: Did I ever mention that? |
| 22:07.47 | Esamynn | how about Imp Reincarn? |
| 22:08.02 | dreamss | also the new pvp bonus has anto pushback for lhw |
| 22:08.06 | Saint-N | ya know what would be funny to do? rip the entire incgamers site and then post it as a new site only the adds free you while all the bw is directly from thier site |
| 22:08.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | or armor |
| 22:08.13 | Saint-N | and just tell em its for thier own good |
| 22:08.18 | Polarina | cog|work: At least the laws here, it is allowed. |
| 22:08.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | can't take em out, Esamynn |
| 22:08.19 | cog|work | Polarina: mention what? (or is this another case of lern2analogy?) |
| 22:08.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't think |
| 22:08.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | lemme see |
| 22:08.29 | Esamynn | oh yes, you're right |
| 22:08.31 | Polarina | cog|work: (10:06:38 PM) cog|work: Polarina: you're suffering from the same kind of misconception that makes people think addons are automatically open source |
| 22:08.46 | cog|work | Polarina: yep... lern2analogy |
| 22:08.51 | Esamynn | Mr_Rabies2: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-talents.xml?r=Dragonblight&n=Catyliia that's my talent tree |
| 22:08.52 | foxlit | free as in beer, dammit! |
| 22:08.59 | Polarina | cog|work: That's at least the laws here. |
| 22:08.59 | bleeter | mmmm beer |
| 22:09.01 | dreamss | i would go ele/enhas |
| 22:09.02 | Esamynn | the last 2 points are going to Nature's Guidance |
| 22:09.07 | dreamss | get elemental focus |
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| 22:09.32 | Saint-N | hehe to me it isx open source if its not encrypted and i can edit it ;P |
| 22:09.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | if it's publically available and open for me to edit, i'm going to do whatever i want with it and there's not much you can do about it |
| 22:09.51 | Saint-N | i wont hoever redistro it under my name or anyone elses name if they tell me not to ;) |
| 22:09.58 | cog|work | Polarina: not if the work is created in the US. Chances are the copyright is covered by treaty |
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| 22:10.04 | cog|work | s/created/posted/ |
| 22:10.06 | kamdis | Polarina, where is "here"? |
| 22:10.11 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+o Iriel] by ChanServ |
| 22:10.18 | Polarina | kamdis: Iceland. |
| 22:10.21 | widgertick | Mr_Rabies2: This is my build on live |
| 22:10.23 | dreamss | unless its obsucated like thott did |
| 22:10.23 | widgertick | http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=hZxV0zyzsAuqoE0cu |
| 22:10.24 | kamdis | ah |
| 22:10.29 | Polarina | cog|work: It doesn't matter, actually. |
| 22:10.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | okay, checking these builds out |
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| 22:11.16 | dreamss | only thing i see from resto that helps enhas is the totem radious |
| 22:11.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | 4% dodge just doesn't seem like a big deal, when i could get better weapon buffs |
| 22:11.40 | Esamynn | coincidence? |
| 22:11.41 | malreth | according to http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ38a.pdf Iceland signed the Berne Convention |
| 22:11.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | and 1sec ghost wolf as an option for pvp |
| 22:11.58 | Esamynn | Mr_Rabies2: those weapon buffs are only for your party though |
| 22:12.01 | widgertick | Your best option for PvP is 100g to respec elemental and back =P |
| 22:12.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | right |
| 22:12.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | as an option for instancing |
| 22:12.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | since windfury is oft used in instances, right? |
| 22:12.46 | Esamynn | I perfer my agil totem over the windfury totem actually |
| 22:12.53 | bleeter | wow, the guild bank withdrawl bug seems really nasty. |
| 22:12.58 | Esamynn | since it benefits everyone with the extra dodge |
| 22:13.00 | Tyrolit | ok 3 beers down ( i was thirsty ) having trouble moving MinimapCluster (noob / nob question i know :( ) ive tyred all ideas i know , <-- me begs for an idea |
| 22:13.04 | Esamynn | bleeter: what bug? |
| 22:13.06 | dreamss | what bug bleeter? |
| 22:13.48 | Esamynn | Tyrolit: maybe try again when you're sober? :P |
| 22:13.56 | bleeter | Esamynn: according to the ingame KB, if someone joins your guild, they come into it with their old guild bank withdrawl rights. that's to say, unless explicitly set after they join a guild, they have their permissions set to whatever it was in their old guild |
| 22:13.58 | Tyrolit | good idea |
| 22:14.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't think i'd even let myself near a computer when i was beyond just a bit buzzed |
| 22:14.12 | bleeter | er, circular stuff 'coz it's early in the morning >< |
| 22:14.18 | bleeter | I thope I was clear, yet vague enough |
| 22:14.19 | Tyrolit | but that was an exageration |
| 22:14.21 | Esamynn | bleeter: hmm, oops |
| 22:14.24 | dreamss | holly balls |
| 22:14.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm afraid i'll start deleting shit i don't think i need because i'm not running at 100% |
| 22:14.36 | tedrock | bleeter: seriously? |
| 22:14.37 | Esamynn | bleeter: that reminds me of an old bug with the public/officer notes permissions |
| 22:14.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | hell i do that totally sober sometimes :[ |
| 22:14.59 | dreamss | good old drunk rm -rf : |
| 22:15.13 | Esamynn | haha |
| 22:15.16 | bleeter | 'known issue with guild bank withdrawl limits' in your KB |
| 22:15.19 | dreamss | ah shit wrong ssh window |
| 22:15.25 | bleeter | article 21684 |
| 22:15.44 | Intangir | combines from halflife in real life: http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=X4UM6vuEf4o |
| 22:16.01 | Tyrolit | ok so ive not even made it out yet, i got stuck, thought i knew how to move the frame but i cant |
| 22:16.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | TV pictures showed officers and soldiers using a range of weapons to disperse crowds, including rubber bullets, tear gas and a sonic gun |
| 22:16.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | none of those i have a problem with, except the billyclubs |
| 22:17.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | all the other stuff is very temporary |
| 22:17.11 | Tyrolit | rubber bullets? |
| 22:17.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah they hurt like hell but rarely cause lasting damage, beanbag shotguns do a better job though |
| 22:17.42 | Tyrolit | those used to be used in ireland i thought ppl had learnt from that? |
| 22:18.01 | Tyrolit | i know to well what rubber bullets are |
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| 22:18.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | also, sonic weapons are awes |
| 22:18.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | awesome |
| 22:18.22 | Shirik|Ecole | ok, whom here knows something about C that wants to make me stop feeling stupid? |
| 22:18.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | they work better than tear gas and are even more temporary |
| 22:18.39 | Tyrolit | it comes after B? |
| 22:18.39 | Cide | nobody knows enough to make you not stupid, Shirik|Ecole |
| 22:18.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | they're probably the best crowd dispersal means |
| 22:18.41 | malreth | i haven't programmed in C/C++ for almost 10 years |
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| 22:18.51 | Shirik|Ecole | Cide: =( |
| 22:19.05 | Polarina | cog|work: US has differenc copyright laws than here in Iceland, so we here have different rights than the US citicens. |
| 22:19.06 | Cide | (it's what you get for typing my name when you mean Cidan, or hell, even clad) |
| 22:19.15 | malreth | so whatever you post will probably make you look smarter than me, Shirik|Ecole |
| 22:19.17 | Shirik|Ecole | :/ |
| 22:19.24 | Shirik|Ecole | kd3 can help! |
| 22:19.26 | Shirik|Ecole | yes? |
| 22:19.28 | cog|work | Polarina: unless you want to break treaties, you have to respect US copyright laws though |
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| 22:19.37 | bleeter | d'oh! |
| 22:19.41 | Cide | lol |
| 22:19.52 | cog|work | if it was an icelandic website then yes... you'd probably be right |
| 22:19.59 | kd3 | hm? I missed a few minutes of the convo due to X screwing up. what can I help with? |
| 22:20.00 | Shirik|Ecole | ok, maybe a more general question... someone who knows something about printf() |
| 22:20.15 | Shirik|Ecole | which exists in several languages :/ |
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| 22:20.28 | bleeter | Esamynn: I got to 2 and my brain imploded |
| 22:20.42 | Esamynn | bleeter: wuss |
| 22:20.46 | malreth | WTF is printf()?!! OMG! I can't remember a thinG!! tens of thousands of dollars spent on an education that means nothing now!!! |
| 22:20.53 | Esamynn | hahaha |
| 22:21.03 | bleeter | Esamynn: cmon, gimme a break.. only been awake about 1/2 an hour... NEED MOAR COFFEE |
| 22:21.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | or you could just do whatever you want to do with the source because no one is going to enforce it when plainly visible source to me means "here's how i did it, step by step" |
| 22:21.13 | Esamynn | ~slap malreth |
| 22:21.13 | purl | ACTION slaps malreth, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 22:21.13 | Polarina | cog|work: Even though WoWI files are stored in the US, it doesn't change anything to me. However, should I decide to become a US citicen, that's a different story. |
| 22:21.16 | Shirik|Ecole | Well, in any case, this is my line: printf("| [%d] %-63s |\n", logList[n]?strlen(logList[n]):0, logList[n]?logList[n]:""); |
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| 22:21.31 | Tyrolit | so how do i access MinimapCluster <Anchors> <Anchor = point blah blah > in lua? |
| 22:21.35 | malreth | Shirik|Ecole: are you SURE that's not perl? |
| 22:21.40 | Shirik|Ecole | logList[n] stores a string which I need to output. It's gui-ish so the | | need to be spread out a specific distance |
| 22:21.51 | bleeter | do we have an eta on 2.3.2 at all? |
| 22:21.55 | Shirik|Ecole | When logList[n] is NULL, everything's ok, the spacing is perfect |
| 22:21.56 | Esamynn | no |
| 22:22.11 | malreth | Polarina: wrong. the berne convention states that member countries respect foreign copyrights |
| 22:22.12 | Esamynn | bleeter: or rather, yes, we do |
| 22:22.20 | Shirik|Ecole | when it's not NULL (I'm looking at a string that has 22 chars in it right now), I see [22] as expected, then I overflow the width of the screen with the number of spaces it injects |
| 22:22.21 | Esamynn | we have the standard "when it's ready" :P |
| 22:22.27 | bleeter | Esamynn: oh, that no was for me? |
| 22:22.29 | bleeter | Esamynn: hehe, k |
| 22:22.40 | Esamynn | bleeter: that's just assumed 8) |
| 22:22.44 | bleeter | well, yeah |
| 22:22.57 | bleeter | just thought someone might've heard a noise indicating it might've been tonight |
| 22:23.09 | Esamynn | nah, probably not |
| 22:23.34 | Shirik|Ecole | Tyrolit: frame:SetPoint()( |
| 22:23.39 | MentalPower | !api QueryAuctionItems |
| 22:23.40 | ThraeBot | MentalPower: QueryAuctionItems("name", "minLevel", "maxLevel", invTypeIndex, classIndex, subclassIndex, page, isUsable, qualityIndex) - -- http://www.wowwiki.com/API_QueryAuctionItems |
| 22:23.51 | Cide | Shirik|Ecole: um, what output do you get? |
| 22:23.55 | Shirik|Ecole | I get |
| 22:24.03 | Shirik|Ecole | | [22] Received message: 1:2 | |
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| 22:24.07 | bleeter | so I went and had a look at the oceanic realms again last night... past midnight, all but two realms were 'high' pop, the other two were 'full'. 'sif they don't need new realms. maybe they should move some lowpop US ones to Oceania. |
| 22:24.09 | Shirik|Ecole | and the spaces and the last | go onto the next line |
| 22:24.23 | Tyrolit | i |
| 22:24.29 | Tyrolit | oops |
| 22:24.36 | bleeter | u |
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| 22:25.02 | Shirik|Ecole | whereas if logMsg[n] is NULL, it doesn't go off like that, it's lined up perfectly |
| 22:25.13 | Cide | how much goes to the next line? |
| 22:25.23 | Shirik|Ecole | sec, let me rebuild and download to the box |
| 22:25.41 | Shirik|Ecole | I changed -63 to -42 just to see if it was the extra 22 pushing it off |
| 22:25.44 | Shirik|Ecole | but it's much further than that |
| 22:25.58 | Intangir | Mr_Rabies2: rubber bullets can be just as lethal as metal bullets |
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| 22:26.11 | Intangir | and using sonic weapons on peaceful protesters ... you dont have a problem with that? |
| 22:26.22 | Intangir | what country are you from? |
| 22:26.41 | Intangir | cause if its so peachy you have nothing to protest, maybe i should move there |
| 22:26.44 | Shirik|Ecole | looks like about 30 characters out |
| 22:26.52 | Shirik|Ecole | I mean, I have 10 at the end of each line already |
| 22:26.55 | Shirik|Ecole | then another 30 on the next line |
| 22:26.57 | Shirik|Ecole | so about 40 |
| 22:27.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | <Intangir> and using sonic weapons on peaceful protesters ... you dont have a problem with that? |
| 22:27.36 | Cide | Shirik|Ecole: well, if logMsg[n] is NULL, shouldn't %-63s output 63 spaces? |
| 22:27.37 | malreth | that's the news and i am outta here |
| 22:27.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | that depends on what you consider peaceful |
| 22:27.39 | cog|work | Polarina: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berne_Convention_for_the_Protection_of_Literary_and_Artistic_Works |
| 22:27.42 | Shirik|Ecole | Cide: Exactly |
| 22:27.46 | Shirik|Ecole | And that lines up perfectly |
| 22:27.46 | Cide | well, does it? |
| 22:27.56 | Cide | is your font monospaced? :P |
| 22:27.59 | Shirik|Ecole | yes :P |
| 22:28.16 | Shirik|Ecole | I'm working on an embedded system here, no fancy stuff like TT fonts |
| 22:28.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | perhaps that crowd was peaceful, but i have nothing against using sonic weapons to disperse crowds that are illegaly gathered or doing stuff they shouldn't, since they have no long term effects at all |
| 22:28.41 | Shirik|Ecole | sp shutdown |
| 22:28.42 | Shirik|Ecole | oops |
| 22:28.44 | Cide | Shirik|Ecole: and you're sure %-63s outputs 63 spaces when it's null? |
| 22:29.05 | Tem | incorrect about the Ace-> GPL stuff |
| 22:29.09 | Tem | #1, Ace is not GPL |
| 22:29.18 | Shirik|Ecole | Cide: Yup |
| 22:29.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | tear gas can cause lung problems and rubber bullets can be lethal, but sometimes they're all that'll work on some people, perhaps not that crowd, which seemed pretty peaceful, but i don't know the full story |
| 22:29.24 | Tem | if it were, all Ace addons would be REQUIRED to be GPL as well |
| 22:29.34 | Tem | Ace is LGPL |
| 22:29.37 | Shirik|Ecole | LGPL right |
| 22:29.38 | Shirik|Ecole | bah |
| 22:29.45 | Cide | Shirik|Ecole: so you're saying it outputs more than 63-22 spaces when strlen(logMsg[n]) == 22? |
| 22:29.55 | Shirik|Ecole | hmmm |
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| 22:30.01 | Shirik|Ecole | that might be about right |
| 22:30.07 | Cide | that sounds strange |
| 22:30.10 | Shirik|Ecole | I never actually counted them because I don't have an easy way to do it |
| 22:30.14 | Cide | you could hack it, of course |
| 22:30.22 | Shirik|Ecole | That's what I'm looking at right now |
| 22:30.30 | Cide | Shirik|Ecole: sprintf? |
| 22:30.37 | Shirik|Ecole | for (int n = 0; n < strlen(logMsg[n]); n++) printf(" "); |
| 22:30.40 | Polarina | So, I can redistribute Ace like I want to and the developers can nothing do about it. |
| 22:30.41 | Shirik|Ecole | I figured sprintf would have the same problem |
| 22:30.52 | cog|work | Polarina: wtf? |
| 22:30.57 | Cide | Shirik|Ecole: yeah |
| 22:30.59 | cog|work | where did you come up with that? |
| 22:31.03 | Cide | but you could count the spaces in the string with it |
| 22:31.04 | Polarina | cog|work: Ace is LGPL, so I can. |
| 22:31.07 | cog|work | err |
| 22:31.13 | cog|work | i read the word "mod" after ace |
| 22:31.15 | cog|work | ~lart me |
| 22:31.15 | purl | slams cog|work against a large cement Tux |
| 22:31.59 | cog|work | Polarina: "can do nothing about it" is a bit silly since releasing it under LGPL explicitly tells you that they want you to be able to |
| 22:32.33 | MentalPower | Polarina: Ace libs, yes Ace mods, not necessarily |
| 22:33.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | no one's going to go to court over their 200kb addon |
| 22:33.15 | Shirik|Ecole | *** ##c You're banned from that channel |
| 22:33.15 | Polarina | So no one's going to get sued. |
| 22:33.16 | Shirik|Ecole | .... |
| 22:33.18 | kd3 | heh, I was wondering when he was going to show up |
| 22:33.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | thus, you can do whatever you want with it, essentially |
| 22:33.21 | kd3 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2968233148#11 |
| 22:33.21 | Shirik|Ecole | stupid ircatwork.com |
| 22:33.24 | Cide | Shirik|Ecole: lol |
| 22:33.30 | Shirik|Ecole | I can't do this from home >< |
| 22:33.31 | Tem | Mr_Rabies2, you underestimate my ability to go a really long way to protect my principles |
| 22:33.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | Tem, and also waste a lot of time and money |
| 22:33.47 | Polarina | Mr_Rabies2: Except claiming that I wrote the original code. |
| 22:33.48 | Tem | if I had the finances, I _would_ go to court to stop someone from distributing my addons |
| 22:33.54 | Cide | Shirik|Ecole: you could hack it, of course |
| 22:34.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | Tem, that's fine, go for it |
| 22:34.10 | Shirik|Ecole | I really don't want to, malloc on this system is typically a bad idea >< |
| 22:34.28 | Tem | the conditions would have to be right, but yeah, I'd do it |
| 22:34.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | in the meantime i'll be over here renaming some of your addons and making fun of you in the source code (not really because i have no beef with you, or no skill in coding) |
| 22:34.38 | Shirik|Ecole | in fact I think FAA regulations state that you can't use malloc |
| 22:34.47 | Tem | FAA? |
| 22:34.55 | Shirik|Ecole | federal aviation administration |
| 22:34.59 | Tem | huh? |
| 22:35.10 | Tem | what does that faa have to do with C? |
| 22:35.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | if the source code is visible, it's basically a step by step open code "do whatever you want with it" to me, as long as you distribute it |
| 22:35.23 | Shirik|Ecole | this is an embedded system designed for avionics |
| 22:35.24 | Cide | Shirik|Ecole: will every string be <=63 chars? |
| 22:35.29 | Shirik|Ecole | Cide: yes |
| 22:35.41 | Cide | printf("| [%d] %s%-*s |\n", logList[n]?strlen(logList[n]):0, logList[n]?logList[n]:"", 63-strlen(logList[n]), ""); |
| 22:35.42 | Cide | wtf. |
| 22:35.43 | Kelfarr | omgphatloots is back!! |
| 22:35.46 | Cide | s/wtf/ftw/ |
| 22:35.52 | Shirik|Ecole | wtf is that? |
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| 22:36.11 | Cide | err, you'd want proper checks for when logList[n] is null, obviously |
| 22:36.13 | Kelfarr | an awesome UI website |
| 22:36.21 | Shirik|Ecole | not that |
| 22:36.24 | Shirik|Ecole | I meant what Cide said >< |
| 22:36.29 | Shirik|Ecole | %-*s ? |
| 22:36.32 | Shirik|Ecole | I've never seen that before |
| 22:36.44 | Kelfarr | oh |
| 22:36.53 | Cide | specify the width as the argument before the argument to be printed |
| 22:36.56 | Pazza | anyone notice any problems with their widget api with backdrop edefiles since the 2.3 patch? |
| 22:37.02 | Cide | shouldn't have to rely on it though :/ |
| 22:37.19 | Cide | Pazza: nope |
| 22:37.26 | Cide | bleeter: use an officer note? :P |
| 22:37.59 | bleeter | Cide: nah, I'd like to warn the officers about the guild bank bug, notes really don't help there. I'm mailing them all, but I feel that's kinda... insufficient. |
| 22:38.01 | Pazza | my edgefile has been working great for over a year.. not it's not lining up correctly anymore... would anyone mind taking a look? |
| 22:38.14 | Cide | bleeter: what bug? |
| 22:38.24 | Shirik|Ecole | guild bank bug? |
| 22:38.37 | Shirik|Ecole | Cide: Same problem o.o |
| 22:38.44 | Cide | Shirik|Ecole: um |
| 22:38.49 | Cide | sprintf that and count the length |
| 22:39.00 | bleeter | ingame KB article 21684... |
| 22:39.08 | bleeter | "known issue with guild bank withdrawl limits" |
| 22:39.35 | Cide | and assert(strlen(string_with_22_chars_argument) == strlen(string_with_null_argument)) |
| 22:39.38 | Polarina | bleeter: I can't find that article. |
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| 22:39.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | Tem, as I see it, if you want to protect your code, either close the visibility of it, or don't distribute it. People will do what they want to it if it's freely open and available to changes. While I have no beef with you personally, it's not good to say "i want to protect my house" and leaving the front door open all day when you're at work |
| 22:40.01 | Drea | Good afternoon everyone! |
| 22:40.01 | bleeter | at this time, GB withdrawal limits for a given char are not reset when they join a new guild. Thus, whatever limits were applied to that char in their former guild will be carried over, and must be manually readjusted by the GM in order to ensure the desired settings |
| 22:40.12 | Cide | nice |
| 22:40.29 | bleeter | so some new guildie who ran their own lvl 1-15 guild, could in theory wipe a GB clean |
| 22:40.35 | Cide | so alt guild -> no limit -> join guild -> LOOT |
| 22:40.36 | Tem | Mr_Rabies2, this has less to do with me actually wanting to protect my code and my vehement desire for /some/ people to not have the right to distribute it |
| 22:40.46 | Drea | might i ask some questions about coding Comboboxes in addons? |
| 22:40.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | don't distribute it then, Tem :O |
| 22:41.01 | Tem | *sigh* |
| 22:41.06 | Tem | you're completely missing the point |
| 22:41.17 | Cide | Drea: sure |
| 22:41.21 | Cide | see: |
| 22:41.23 | Cide | ~asktoask |
| 22:41.23 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 22:41.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | unless you protect it, everyone and anyone will distribute it as they feel like |
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| 22:41.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | at least taking steps to protect it slows the average joe down |
| 22:41.54 | Esamynn|Work | Mr_Rabies2: they WILL, but they ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO! |
| 22:42.13 | Iriel | Mr_Rabies2: The question is, is it the average joe's who he's trying to stop |
| 22:42.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | doesn't matter, i'm also not supposed to download albums, but i haven't bought a cd in over 5 years |
| 22:42.37 | Drea | Well, i'm workin on a mod, for someone who wants to make an in game levelign guide. he wants two combo boxes, click the first one for the level range, that populates the second one with Step 1... Step 2.. etc. then you click on the step and it opens a new frame with the instructions for that step. There's the background. |
| 22:42.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | Iriel, i'm saying closed source is generally protected against all except cracking groups, etc |
| 22:43.07 | Shirik|Ecole | Cide >< |
| 22:43.16 | Shirik|Ecole | I sprintf'ed it and they're all the same size |
| 22:43.21 | Shirik|Ecole | I think I'm going nuts |
| 22:43.27 | Cide | Shirik|Ecole: so get a monospaced font :P |
| 22:43.27 | JoshBorke | drea: you'll need to do stuff on the OnClick handler |
| 22:43.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | anyway, let's pause this arguement until we can help drea out |
| 22:44.08 | Shirik|Ecole | Cide: It is >< |
| 22:44.19 | Cide | Shirik|Ecole: are you positive? :P |
| 22:44.21 | Drea | I"ve done the XML to get everything setup, i have the combo boxes showing, but i'm having trouble figureing out how to work the combo boxes. i've read thru the UIComboBox.lua, but i'm a littel confused with the menu and list ideas, and am wondering if there's a mod out there i can look at as an example? or some sort of tutorial that'll make it a lil easier? |
| 22:44.23 | Shirik|Ecole | the rest of the layout is perfect |
| 22:44.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | also Iriel, are you aware your folders are a little off on your latest release of Doublewide? |
| 22:44.41 | JoshBorke | oh, combobox |
| 22:44.42 | JoshBorke | blech |
| 22:44.50 | Iriel | Mr_Rabies2: As of a couple of days ago, yeah |
| 22:44.52 | Iriel | I'll fix that |
| 22:45.04 | Cide | Shirik|Ecole: are you sure you don't have some spaces carry over from the previous line or something? |
| 22:45.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | i didn't have a problem with it, but you know the average wow user |
| 22:45.10 | Cide | that would offset the beginning of the new line |
| 22:45.34 | Drea | or perhaps a different Idea for a layout that'd do the job? instead of using combo boxes. |
| 22:45.37 | Shirik|Ecole | oh shit |
| 22:45.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | don't give them step by step instructions on how to do stuff or alter something slightly and they put their hands over their ears and start crying |
| 22:45.51 | Shirik|Ecole | I'm an idiot -_- |
| 22:45.56 | Cide | what'd you do? :P |
| 22:46.13 | Cide | Drea: can't you just use normal CheckButtons? |
| 22:46.22 | Shirik|Ecole | ok, well originally I was using this logMsg() function which is provided by VxWorks, but I since decided to write my own to make it fit within the layout |
| 22:46.33 | Shirik|Ecole | but VxWorks makes you put a \n at the end of each message... I don't |
| 22:46.36 | wereHamster | < Shirik|Ecole> %-*s ? I've never seen that before - did you ever take a look at the sprintf manpage? ;) |
| 22:46.47 | Shirik|Ecole | And I didn't go back and change them to remove that \n at the end |
| 22:46.57 | Shirik|Ecole | wereHampster: Psh, who reads manpages anyway |
| 22:47.04 | Cide | 2cool4man is my motto |
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| 22:47.07 | Shirik|Ecole | I just have my 2k page reference manual next to me |
| 22:47.16 | Drea | Cide: I"m not really sure. how could i do that? |
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| 22:47.23 | Cide | Drea: do what? |
| 22:47.36 | Iriel | Mr_Rabies2: It's not actually my faul |
| 22:47.36 | Cide | checkbuttons are really simple |
| 22:47.38 | Drea | Cide: Use Check boxes instead of combo boxes? |
| 22:47.42 | Iriel | +t |
| 22:47.54 | Iriel | Mr_Rabies2: Someone released a toc update for my addon and packaged it wrong. |
| 22:47.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | IT'S ALL YOUR FAULT IRIEL I'M GOING TO ANGRILY REPLY ON YOUR COMMENT PAGE AND ASK YOU TO ACE IT |
| 22:48.01 | Drea | not programatically, functionally. lol. does that make sense? |
| 22:48.05 | Cide | <CheckButton name="YourName" template="UIOptionsCheckButtonTemplate"> |
| 22:48.07 | Cide | blah blah |
| 22:48.10 | Cide | </CheckButton> |
| 22:48.21 | Cide | to check it, either click it or call CheckButton:SetChecked(true / false) |
| 22:48.31 | Cide | <OnClick> is called when it's checked or unchecked |
| 22:48.48 | wereHamster | wait.. you're writing an application for an embedded avionics box and you don't even bother reading manpages? which aircraft is the box for? so I know which types not to fly :P |
| 22:48.57 | Drea | but i'm not really sure that is what i want it to do. Think MOnkeyQuest for a second. |
| 22:49.11 | Cide | that's not my job :) |
| 22:49.25 | Shirik|Ecole | &@*($ it works now |
| 22:49.26 | Shirik|Ecole | thanks Cide |
| 22:49.32 | Cide | Shirik|Ecole: anytime |
| 22:49.39 | Cide | I don't know C at all, but hey, who cares |
| 22:49.49 | Shirik|Ecole | pardon me while I go shoot myself |
| 22:50.21 | Drea | first you choose the level range you want. 1-10, 11-20, etc. then once you've chosen that, you get the option to choose whatever step you're on in that level range. when you choose a step you get a new window that has the directions for that step.. make sense? |
| 22:50.49 | JoshBorke | drea: sounds like you need to open other comboboxes with each combobox |
| 22:51.19 | Drea | i wanna make the place you make the level range, and step choices small. not take up a whole lotta UI room. |
| 22:52.27 | Drea | bout right Josh, but for ease of programming, i've got the two comboboxes needed open already, just will need to populate the second one when the choice is made on the first one. |
| 22:52.29 | Iriel | Mr_Rabies2: Fresh DoubleWide-0.6-20300.zip up on wowi, proper packaging |
| 22:52.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | hehe, thanks |
| 22:52.44 | Drea | i guess the real problem is i'm having problems figuring out how to use ComboBoxes. lol |
| 22:52.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | that was mostly an informative thing to prevent the average wow moron from being like "hay i install tihs and it not werk help |
| 22:53.27 | Iriel | Mr_Rabies2: I'm glad you reminded me, at the very least I had to make sure my ant script wasn't broken |
| 22:54.00 | JoshBorke | drea: can't help with comboboxes, never used them |
| 22:55.54 | foxlit | Any thoughts on http://www.wowwiki.com/API_change_summaries/Dev ? |
| 22:55.56 | Drea | hrm, either that or i find a different solution, i suppose i could do somethin like monkey quest and have a plus sign next to each level range, when u press the plus it expands out all the steps, then ou can click on a step to get the new frame that shows the directions.. |
| 22:56.43 | Shirik|Ecole | sooo |
| 22:56.49 | Shirik|Ecole | did that "lawyer" ever come to the channel? |
| 22:57.24 | Drea | hmm. that way i could put checkboxes by every step and allow the user to keep track of what step they're on.. |
| 22:58.28 | Drea | suppose if i can't figure out how to do combo boxes, that's my only choice. lol |
| 22:59.19 | Kaso | No show yet Shirik|Ecole |
| 23:00.20 | Drea | hmm does anyone know of any addons that use combo boxes that i could look at for an example? |
| 23:00.41 | Kaso | check out the default UI they do |
| 23:00.45 | foxlit | I'd suggest you look at FrameXML/UIDropDownMenu.lua and go from there |
| 23:01.01 | foxlit | It's a pretty dry way to do that, but the comments in _Add are relatively decent |
| 23:01.04 | Iriel | Possibly look at the UIOptions stuff too |
| 23:01.08 | foxlit | WoWWiki has a HOWTO somewhere |
| 23:01.22 | foxlit | Iriel! :) |
| 23:01.30 | Drea | yup, i been readin thru that. i wonder, how can i see what that looks like in wow? |
| 23:01.53 | foxlit | Iriel: Do you have an opinion on your change notes being mirrored on wowwiki / and/or being format shifted to look something like http://www.wowwiki.com/API_change_summaries/Dev ? |
| 23:02.21 | Tem | oh hell |
| 23:02.29 | Tem | I didn't see the whole wowui thing |
| 23:02.31 | Iriel | foxlit: As long as it retains the information from the original and doesn't credit someone else (It doesn't have to credit ME), then I'm cool with it. |
| 23:02.40 | Cide | Tem: I just saw it too |
| 23:02.41 | Tem | Mr_Rabies2, if I had the resources, I suit the SHIT out of them |
| 23:03.01 | Tem | THEY are an example of the type of people I explicitly DONT want distributing my addons |
| 23:03.39 | Tem | *sigh* and they're acting like we have no right to tell them no |
| 23:03.42 | Tem | ugh |
| 23:04.01 | Tem | I don't have time to go find the exact spot in the treaties about this again |
| 23:04.07 | Tem | to prove them wrong |
| 23:04.26 | Kaso | Drea loads of default wow frames use dropdown |
| 23:05.07 | Kaso | LFGFrame, FriendsFrame KnowledgeBaseFrame, PaperDollFrame, etc |
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| 23:05.46 | foxlit | There's no real combobox implementation that keeps checked states and allows you to query those directly; you'd have to implement it yourself. |
| 23:06.08 | foxlit | The default UI provides mechanisms to display a drop-down list where entires may be checked. |
| 23:06.58 | foxlit | (the UI_DROPDOWNMENU_VALUE (or similar?) mechanism is more akin to a selectbox - box can only have one value;) |
| 23:07.20 | Shirik|Ecole | Cannot kill task 0x1cc57c8 which is currently safe from deletion |
| 23:07.21 | Shirik|Ecole | cry |
| 23:07.27 | Shirik|Ecole | debuggers should always have full control! |
| 23:08.07 | Shirik|Ecole | I shouldn't have to reboot just because my program crashed =( |
| 23:08.44 | Drea | hmmms. suppose i'll just have to dig into the code and see what i can figger out. |
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| 23:14.24 | |Jelly| | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:14.30 | Shirik|Ecole | hi |Jelly| |
| 23:14.38 | |Jelly| | Hey Shirik |
| 23:14.52 | |Jelly| | Did the pseudo lawyer ever join? |
| 23:15.18 | Shirik|Ecole | I just asked that nobody answered me :/ |
| 23:15.22 | foxlit | No |
| 23:15.28 | |Jelly| | I guess we're not in the cool group. |
| 23:15.42 | foxlit | But it's harder to say that something hasn't happened with absolute certainty |
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| 23:15.49 | Shirik|Ecole | woah |
| 23:15.57 | Shirik|Ecole | fox is getting all philosophical on us |
| 23:16.17 | sag_ich_nicht | what |
| 23:16.18 | Shirik|Ecole | also I would like to point out that that crash right there is why the FAA doesn't allow malloc/free :P |
| 23:16.20 | sag_ich_nicht | who are you |
| 23:16.28 | sag_ich_nicht | what did you do to fox news |
| 23:16.32 | Shirik|Ecole | so much easier just declaring the variable up front |
| 23:16.38 | sag_ich_nicht | oh wait |
| 23:16.41 | sag_ich_nicht | you don't mean fox news |
| 23:16.42 | sag_ich_nicht | do you? |
| 23:17.28 | Shirik|Ecole | foxlit -_- |
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| 23:17.44 | Cide | Shirik|Ecole: what crash? |
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| 23:17.52 | |Jelly| | KILLED AGAIN! |
| 23:18.04 | Shirik|Ecole | Cide: memPartFree: Invalid block in blah blah |
| 23:18.16 | Cide | nice. good job! |
| 23:18.18 | Shirik|Ecole | which then resulted in a task being locked up due to inability to gain a mutex, etc. |
| 23:18.36 | Shirik|Ecole | and then I couldn't delete the task because it was safe from deletion -_- |
| 23:19.06 | KarlThePagan | AnduinLothar, http://www.wowbash.com/top100.html (check what #1 is) |
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| 23:21.16 | bleeter | lols 'cannot attack while dead'... 'your target is dead'... 'you are dead' :/ |
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| 23:28.23 | Drea | argh, this is terribly confusing. :( i think i'm gonna have to change my ideas some on this. |
| 23:29.20 | Esamynn|Work | bleeter: well why did you go and do a silly thing like dying? :P |
| 23:29.45 | kamdis | cog|work "Or their employer ;)" <-- ZING! |
| 23:30.01 | kamdis | you are so a lawyer at heart |
| 23:30.12 | cog|work | :) |
| 23:30.33 | cog|work | kamdis: if we ever finish this book, i'm going to law school |
| 23:30.44 | kamdis | Your employer's legal dept is slacking, imo, KD3 :P |
| 23:30.50 | kamdis | cog, I remember |
| 23:31.56 | Cide | we have SendAddonMessage() for whispers now too, right? |
| 23:32.01 | foxlit | Yes |
| 23:32.01 | Cide | yes, I'm too lazy to wowwiki it |
| 23:32.06 | kd3 | yes |
| 23:32.11 | foxlit | "WHISPER", "Person" |
| 23:32.17 | foxlit | maybe with things in between |
| 23:32.24 | kd3 | gave it to us when they did the spam filtering in 2.1 |
| 23:32.29 | Cide | thought so |
| 23:32.31 | Cide | that's awesome |
| 23:32.41 | art3mis | heh i lost a client today |
| 23:32.58 | art3mis | last week they were having bw issues and she called me thursday morning screaming and swear so i hung up on her |
| 23:33.00 | Cide | didn't get the heal off due to lag? |
| 23:33.03 | art3mis | today she "fired" me |
| 23:33.06 | art3mis | heh |
| 23:33.12 | kd3 | lol |
| 23:33.21 | Polarina | art3mis: bw? |
| 23:33.25 | art3mis | bandwidth |
| 23:33.30 | art3mis | someone was bt'ing from the office |
| 23:33.41 | bleeter | Esamynn|Work: ping of 2.5k ftl, what more can I say ;) |
| 23:33.42 | Polarina | art3mis: Why she fired you? |
| 23:33.49 | Drea | hmm. (Just vocalizing ideas feel free to chime in. :D) So i could have one drop down, to choose the level ranges. then the window under the dropdown expands, with a list of steps for that level range. it'll have checkboxes next to each step, and you click on a step to open a new window with the directions for that step in it. Sound like it'll be not so hard to implement? |
| 23:33.51 | art3mis | no worries though was only worth 200-400/mn |
| 23:34.03 | bleeter | Esamynn|Work: was at a mates place last night, his kid decided to download the entire back catalogue of sony records.. or something like that :/ |
| 23:34.04 | art3mis | polarina: cuz i hung up on her after she started screaming and swearing at me |
| 23:34.05 | Esamynn|Work | bleeter: eeewww |
| 23:34.10 | Cide | Drea: if you're talking to yourself, why are you asking questions? :) |
| 23:34.44 | art3mis | cide send me a message and lemme know if it responds with an away emssage |
| 23:34.46 | Cide | Drea: honestly though, using a checkbox to open a new window doesn't sound very intuitive |
| 23:34.51 | Cide | why me? |
| 23:34.54 | art3mis | cuz |
| 23:34.56 | Drea | .. hehe, was vocalizing ideas. not talkin to myself. lol. if i was talkin to myself i wouldn't have typed anythin |
| 23:35.05 | Cide | nothing |
| 23:35.11 | art3mis | was easier to ask someone specific than say "someone msg me" ;) |
| 23:35.23 | art3mis | thanks |
| 23:35.27 | Cide | Drea: a button would be a better choice of widget |
| 23:35.42 | Drea | ahh, the checkbox wont do anything except get a check, to let the user keep track of what step theyre on. clickin on the words "Step 1" would open the new window with step 1's instructions. |
| 23:35.44 | art3mis | polarina: technically she was a client that was no longer on a service agreement |
| 23:36.07 | Cide | Drea: just make sure the user knows that.. masking links in text rarely works well |
| 23:36.15 | Polarina | art3mis: How could she fire you then? |
| 23:36.44 | Drea | Cide: thanks for that tidbit.. :D perhaps a list of buttons? can that be created dynamically depending on what level range is chosen? |
| 23:36.54 | Cide | sure |
| 23:36.59 | art3mis | took back my keycard to get in, the rooms master keys, and sauid that she wouldnt require my services anymore |
| 23:37.03 | Cide | you can do either way, really |
| 23:37.09 | Cide | but just make sure it's intuitive |
| 23:37.24 | Polarina | art3mis: Demoted? |
| 23:37.24 | art3mis | funny thing is that everyone on the floor knows me, and shes going to find out exactly how cheap i was ;P |
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| 23:37.31 | art3mis | nope just not thier first call anymore |
| 23:37.44 | art3mis | i dont work for them i was just consulting |
| 23:37.54 | Cide | granted, I feel every other addon I use fails when it comes to that, so addon users might be ready for it |
| 23:38.21 | Drea | right on, i could jsut populate the buttons into a small scrollable window, and add a tooltip to that whole thing tellin ya what to do. |
| 23:38.22 | art3mis | they will still call me, but its gonna be a hassle for me to go up there and i wont be able to head up after hours |
| 23:38.34 | art3mis | and she disconnected my remote client appliance |
| 23:38.41 | sag_ich_nicht | Cide |
| 23:38.44 | sag_ich_nicht | if you like to so much |
| 23:38.54 | sag_ich_nicht | write an addon that track which people have me on ignore |
| 23:39.10 | Polarina | sag_ich_nicht: I wrote such addon. |
| 23:39.10 | Cide | and if I don't? :) |
| 23:39.14 | sag_ich_nicht | Polarina |
| 23:39.15 | sag_ich_nicht | gimme |
| 23:39.24 | sag_ich_nicht | *tracks |
| 23:39.28 | Cide | how, anyway? spam-whispering people? |
| 23:39.30 | Polarina | sag_ich_nicht: But I deleted it, it was way too simple... |
| 23:39.36 | sag_ich_nicht | Polarina fu |
| 23:39.47 | Polarina | sag_ich_nicht: But I can recreate it in no time. :D |
| 23:39.49 | Cide | you guys must be haters |
| 23:39.53 | Cide | I don't think anyone has ever ignored me |
| 23:39.54 | sag_ich_nicht | Cide: obviously, people don't see it if you send them a SendAddonMessage whisper |
| 23:39.57 | sag_ich_nicht | BUT |
| 23:40.01 | bleeter | 'coz everything's his fault |
| 23:40.01 | sag_ich_nicht | WoW goes "is ignoring you" anyway |
| 23:40.03 | Drea | course the guy who wanted me to make the addon aint around for me to ask, sooo i'm at an impasse till he gets on. lol |
| 23:40.04 | bleeter | s/cide/cidan/ |
| 23:40.16 | Cide | sag_ich_nicht: really? that's good to know |
| 23:40.23 | sag_ich_nicht | so you can tradk who has you on ignore and who doesn't |
| 23:40.23 | Cide | why the hell would it do that? |
| 23:40.34 | sag_ich_nicht | at least it was that way in 2.2, i am not that sure about 2.3 anymore |
| 23:40.48 | Polarina | sag_ich_nicht: I doubt they removed it.. |
| 23:41.11 | art3mis | drea: if yer looking for something to do i need a theme swapper using ace2 profiles ;P |
| 23:41.20 | Polarina | Good night. |
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| 23:43.06 | Drea | art3mis: LOL, well I've written one successful addon, which was decidedly simple, which is why i'm having such trouble now, cause this one is a lot more complicated. i'm kinda new to the addon scene, and programming is kidna just a hobby so, and since i've never done anythin with ace yet.. that'd prolly take me a couple months. lol |
| 23:44.27 | Cide | don't do ace until you can do it the normal way (imo, anyway) |
| 23:44.30 | Drea | tryin my butt off to learn as i go, which is why you'll see me asking stupid questions quite often. lol |
| 23:44.39 | foxlit | http://www.wowwiki.com/HOWTO:_Use_UIDropDownMenu |
| 23:44.42 | Drea | yeah, i concur Cide. |
| 23:45.18 | Cide | good for you, because I'm right! (tm) |
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| 23:46.08 | sag_ich_nicht | Cide: if you continue to insist on being right, i'm going to install all of CT_Mod and then i'll make a taint.log |
| 23:46.12 | Drea | lmao. right on. |
| 23:46.21 | Cide | sag_ich_nicht: go for it. it's not that bad |
| 23:46.24 | sag_ich_nicht | DO YOU WANT THAT, PUNK? HUH? WOULD YOU _LIKE_ THAT? :P |
| 23:46.31 | sag_ich_nicht | really? |
| 23:46.33 | sag_ich_nicht | well damn. |
| 23:46.43 | Cide | CT_BottomBar and CT_RaidAssist are the biggest bastards (the latter being the worst, but that's changing) |
| 23:46.44 | Drea | THanks Fox, i was lookin at that, and it didn't make lots of sense just then, i suppose i could write a lil addon doin just that to see how ti works. |
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| 23:48.42 | kd3 | it's a wiki, if you have an itch that needs scratching, scratch it! |
| 23:49.00 | foxlit | Anything in particular, Drea? |
| 23:50.33 | Drea | honestly? not anythin in particular, just here and there things are kinda hard to understand. took me ages to make sense outta the how-to on slash commands |
| 23:50.35 | art3mis | when does WHO come out |
| 23:50.57 | Cide | it's "WAR" |
| 23:50.58 | Drea | in any event, i gotta go feed the dog n such |
| 23:51.02 | art3mis | no its WHO |
| 23:51.03 | Cide | not "WHO" - and it supposedly sucks, anyway |
| 23:51.13 | art3mis | WarHammerOnline ;P |
| 23:51.14 | Cide | "WAR" is cooler. |
| 23:51.21 | art3mis | no way the who made tommy! |
| 23:51.29 | art3mis | the who are always better than war ;P |
| 23:51.38 | art3mis | sucks is subjective |
| 23:51.47 | art3mis | i just want something thats soprta ike wow but |
| 23:51.50 | Cide | until the majority agrees! |
| 23:51.51 | art3mis | NOT wow |
| 23:52.10 | art3mis | cuz im sick of this grinding and farming rep bullshit because they cant think of a better time sink |
| 23:52.20 | Cide | do arenas |
| 23:53.12 | art3mis | tedious and annoying |
| 23:53.19 | art3mis | i want more fun solo content |
| 23:53.24 | art3mis | or 5man content |
| 23:53.27 | art3mis | or quests |
| 23:53.35 | art3mis | or someplace new to explore |
| 23:53.55 | foxlit | Solo content is troublesome |
| 23:53.57 | art3mis | i never did the perpetual leveling on muds and i dont intend on doing it here |
| 23:54.09 | art3mis | nor will i bother with need 24 other people to see new shit |
| 23:54.19 | art3mis | <-- does not play well with others.. |
| 23:54.31 | foxlit | You need to find yourself a single player game, then. |
| 23:54.42 | art3mis | if there was a pulldown to instances for "solo" that would rock |
| 23:55.02 | foxlit | Solo lower-level dungeons? |
| 23:55.03 | art3mis | why? |
| 23:55.13 | art3mis | wow is fine if ive got something new to do |
| 23:55.26 | art3mis | repetatively farming things or "learning" how they fight isnt fun |
| 23:55.31 | art3mis | its boring |
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| 23:55.42 | foxlit | You're intentionally restricting your pool of new things to do to something so small that you'll never get enough of it given the development rate. |
| 23:55.56 | art3mis | oo new mob.. oh its dead.. so dont forget guys that well be killing him again EVERYTIME we come through here |
| 23:56.27 | foxlit | Fundamentally, if you're not playing for the community, what are you playing for? |
| 23:56.30 | art3mis | its the equiv of having to kill something everytime i wanna take a zepp or a boat |
| 23:56.41 | art3mis | im playing for M enjoyment |
| 23:56.43 | art3mis | MY |
| 23:56.52 | foxlit | What do you enjoy? |
| 23:57.05 | foxlit | Actually challenging content is found in larger-scale raids, since balancing around solo play is not really possible / worthwhile. |
| 23:57.09 | art3mis | scroll up to my requests ;) |
| 23:57.14 | art3mis | no thas not challenging |
| 23:57.23 | art3mis | challenging is solo play |
| 23:57.39 | art3mis | having 24 other rigged classes with you is just tedious |
| 23:57.56 | art3mis | the only major challenge in that is not to call everyone a fucking moron every 5mins or so ;P |
| 23:58.09 | foxlit | I'll hit you with a hammer if you compare the demand for individual performance in a 25-man raid to one in solo content. |
| 23:59.16 | foxlit | Everything you do while alone is insignificant, and can probably be done while watching TV and cooking dinner at the same time. |
| 23:59.19 | art3mis | whats more challenging.. not dying on a solo scholo run or you can 25 "friends" killing some mob that you've been geared out the ass to fight |
| 23:59.32 | art3mis | only if you dont explore ;P |
| 23:59.40 | art3mis | and dont see what you can get away with |
| 23:59.59 | foxlit | There's nothing _to_ explore. Every single piece of solo content in the game is soloable while virtually blindfolded. |
