| 00:03.22 | Cidan | Updated the website with a mini screenshot to get the point across of my previous news post. |
| 00:03.46 | clad|sleep | lrn2favicon.ico |
| 00:03.48 | clad|sleep | kthx. |
| 00:04.17 | Cidan | should do that at some point. |
| 00:04.22 | Cidan | eh |
| 00:04.48 | Cairenn | hrm - there a problem logging into the wow servers that anyone is aware of? |
| 00:05.42 | Cidan | Newp |
| 00:08.26 | *** join/#wowi-lounge mikma_ (i=mikma@reaktio.net) |
| 00:09.08 | art3mis | it was nerf dammit! |
| 00:09.14 | art3mis | nerf NEVER hurts |
| 00:09.15 | Cairenn | lol |
| 00:09.24 | art3mis | cept when melted with fire and dripped on people |
| 00:09.54 | Lunessa | Cairenn: I'm unaware of any issues preventing login. |
| 00:10.16 | art3mis | i am! |
| 00:10.24 | art3mis | she's forgotten the basics ;P |
| 00:15.57 | art3mis | ya know what i love about conspiracy? |
| 00:16.15 | art3mis | the fact that cidan includes hello kitty in at least one screen shot for each "update" |
| 00:16.26 | art3mis | for no other reason that "its cute" |
| 00:16.32 | art3mis | than |
| 00:24.26 | art3mis | damn login server maint |
| 00:24.40 | art3mis | 7-8pm est |
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| 00:39.40 | Lunessa | Me: I'll update my guild website really quickly. Guild Web Site Server: YOU ARE NOT PREPARED! FOOL! |
| 00:40.56 | art3mis | whats a good freeware winders tool to show what notherbirdge and south bridge you've got |
| 00:43.51 | Lunessa | I can't get enough of these new commercials. I'm such a nerd. |
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| 00:46.19 | Kemayo | Tuller: Bagnon_Forever\db.lua:156: attempt to call method 'SaveBagAll' (a nil value) |
| 00:46.45 | Kemayo | I am thus skeptical about "Fix bugs making the thing not work" :D |
| 00:46.49 | Tuller | Kemayo: where did you get it from? |
| 00:47.15 | Kemayo | Bagnon_Forever\db.lua:68: in function <Interface\AddOns\Bagnon_Forever\db.lua:66> |
| 00:47.57 | Kemayo | Happened when I opened the bank. |
| 00:49.19 | Kemayo | Tuller: I checked the diff, and it looks like you renamed SaveBagAll to UpdateBag. |
| 00:50.38 | Tuller | fixed |
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| 00:58.15 | Wobwork | meh |
| 00:58.22 | Wobwork | long copyright thread is long |
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| 01:02.35 | Kemayo | Tuller: Thanks! |
| 01:03.24 | Cairenn | Wobwork: yes, yes it is |
| 01:05.27 | Lunessa | long copyright thread is always long - people don't understand it. |
| 01:06.28 | Lunessa | I can't believe someone just said "Well, "IP" is an immoral concept, so death to that. " |
| 01:07.12 | Taeri | whaat? |
| 01:07.12 | Cairenn | huh? |
| 01:07.41 | Lunessa | IP = Intellectual Property - from drama thread you linked me earlier Cairenn. |
| 01:07.51 | Cairenn | yeah, I know what you meant |
| 01:07.55 | Taeri | ooh |
| 01:08.01 | Cairenn | I just don't remember that particular quote |
| 01:08.48 | Cairenn | ah, I see, it's gotten some more attention - *catches up* |
| 01:09.03 | MentalPower|DVD | which thread? |
| 01:09.25 | Kaso | Interesting ted talk which sorta breaches that "IP = evil" mentality issue http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/view/id/187 |
| 01:09.50 | Cairenn | MentalPower|DVD: same one as yesterday re incgamers |
| 01:10.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | well that was odd |
| 01:10.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | i just saw a wow ad with mr t in it |
| 01:10.34 | MentalPower|DVD | wow forums, ace forums or incgamers forums? |
| 01:10.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | talking about hacking the game and adding a mohawk class |
| 01:10.40 | Cairenn | Mr_Rabies: heh, yeah |
| 01:10.44 | Cairenn | MentalPower|DVD: wow |
| 01:10.52 | Cairenn | ace is locked, inc is deleted |
| 01:11.13 | MentalPower|DVD | interesting |
| 01:11.37 | Cairenn | Mr_Rabies2: https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/downloads/movies.html |
| 01:12.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh wow |
| 01:12.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | bill shatner |
| 01:12.05 | Wobwork | I like the Shatner one =) |
| 01:12.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's awesome |
| 01:12.14 | Cairenn | I <3 the Mr. T one |
| 01:12.20 | Cairenn | I think it's freakin' hilarious |
| 01:12.25 | MentalPower|DVD | I *love* the Mr. T one |
| 01:12.30 | Lunessa | I am a Night Elf Mohawk! |
| 01:12.33 | Wobwork | They totally need a Marilyn Manson one playing a dwarf female priest |
| 01:12.52 | Wobwork | Or Bruce Campbell as a gnome |
| 01:13.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh dear god |
| 01:13.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | bruce campbell would be a human paladin |
| 01:13.59 | Wobwork | They should totally hire him for the male human voice acting |
| 01:14.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | wrecking the undead 24/7 |
| 01:14.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | now the question remains |
| 01:14.19 | Wobwork | I'd make all my toons male humans for that voice set |
| 01:14.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | if these people actually just play wow or they're just acting, i'm guessing just acting but you never know :O |
| 01:15.11 | Wobwork | well... |
| 01:15.16 | Wobwork | They're -good- actors |
| 01:15.22 | Wobwork | in that they make the script belivable |
| 01:15.43 | Wobwork | I watched those ads and totally believed they could play their characters |
| 01:15.54 | Kaso | lua> string.byte("\b") |
| 01:15.54 | lua_bot | Kaso: 8, |
| 01:16.52 | MentalPower|DVD | lua> "\b" |
| 01:16.52 | lua_bot | MentalPower|DVD: |
| 01:17.16 | Kaso | lua> "Hell\bp" |
| 01:17.16 | lua_bot | Kaso: Hellp |
| 01:17.31 | Kaso | No backspaces allowed :< |
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| 01:22.10 | Lukian | <- Just made my first addon (ace2), anyone mind giving me feedback on the code? |
| 01:22.39 | Kaso | post a link |
| 01:22.57 | Lukian | http://ace.pastey.net/77711-1lva |
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| 01:26.56 | Lukian | Main thing irking me is that UnitInParty("player") always seems to be returning 1 :/ |
| 01:27.20 | Wobwork | hm, you are only using Tourist to check if they're in a bg? |
| 01:28.17 | Lukian | *changes that to wowapi*? :) |
| 01:28.22 | Wobwork | select(2, IsInInstance()) ~= "pvp" and not IsActiveBattlefieldArena() |
| 01:28.31 | Kaso | Lukian you're always considered to be in a party, even if you're alone |
| 01:28.47 | Lukian | Is there an alternate way to check? |
| 01:28.49 | Kaso | GetNumPartyMembers() > 0 |
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| 01:29.24 | Lukian | cheers |
| 01:31.22 | Kaso | Also those file scope locals at the top would work just as well within :Report() function |
| 01:31.25 | Lukian | Wobwork, hmm that broke |
| 01:31.39 | Kaso | Also it seems local party = false isnt used at all |
| 01:32.01 | Wobwork | actually |
| 01:32.04 | Kaso | hellp |
| 01:32.07 | Wobwork | IsInInstance should work fine anyway |
| 01:32.17 | Kaso | Hmm IRC doesnt like non-printable chars >.< |
| 01:32.25 | Wobwork | since if you're in an instance, you'll not encounter the opposite faction anyway |
| 01:33.39 | sag_ich_nicht | oh god |
| 01:33.43 | sag_ich_nicht | this is just retarded |
| 01:33.44 | sag_ich_nicht | apparently, you can parry wand damage. |
| 01:33.50 | Lukian | Wobwork, pondering deeprun tram :o |
| 01:33.59 | Lukian | sag_ich_nicht, yeah.. with the lightsabers.. |
| 01:34.38 | Kaso | is it another want accidently set to do physical damage like that antenna thing? |
| 01:39.10 | Esamynn|Work | hmm, anyone else have a Shaman who's talent points were reset by the 2.3 patch? |
| 01:39.57 | Wobwork | yeah |
| 01:40.02 | mikma_ | yay futurama! |
| 01:40.06 | Wobwork | due to the twohander being trainable |
| 01:40.09 | Wobwork | not a talent |
| 01:40.11 | Esamynn|Work | really? |
| 01:40.23 | Esamynn|Work | that seems, inconsistant with past resets |
| 01:40.37 | Wobwork | indeed |
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| 01:40.52 | Lunessa | Every shaman got talents reset. |
| 01:40.57 | Esamynn|Work | did they announce they were doing that? |
| 01:41.23 | Lunessa | No, patch day came and I had 1 talent refunded. The next day? Full reset. |
| 01:41.32 | Esamynn|Work | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:41.42 | Esamynn|Work | wierd |
| 01:42.10 | Esamynn|Work | more proof that Blizz loves Shamans bestest! :P |
| 01:42.47 | dreamss | cause u could be 21/41 |
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| 01:43.24 | Esamynn|Work | dreamss: nah, that wouldn't have been possible if they hadn't done any reset |
| 01:43.28 | Lukian | Wobwork / Kaso, updated: http://ace.pastey.net/77713 |
| 01:43.52 | Esamynn|Work | dreamss: in the past when a talent got replaced, you simply got the points in the new talent |
| 01:44.01 | Esamynn|Work | unless there were changes to the tree's structure |
| 01:44.36 | art3mis | hrm |
| 01:44.45 | art3mis | appearantly all my lockup issues were my stupid nfroce card |
| 01:44.50 | Lunessa | I'm not sure why they did it differently this time, but all the shaman I spoke to got the reset. |
| 01:45.03 | art3mis | throw in a good ol 3com 905b and poof no locks |
| 01:45.11 | KarlThePagan | i think any shaman that spent their point |
| 01:45.18 | KarlThePagan | or maybe everyone ;) |
| 01:45.48 | Esamynn|Work | was everyone, I didn't logon until the full reset had happened |
| 01:46.10 | Esamynn|Work | still strange though, I wonder what shifted them from their hard line |
| 01:46.38 | Lunessa | I <3 enhancement as a tree. I maximized for zomg dual weild windfury lalw |
| 01:46.40 | art3mis | esa nah since about 1.4 it's been talent reapply anytime the tree changed |
| 01:46.59 | art3mis | a couple of accidental times EVERYONE got a free respec too ;P |
| 01:47.01 | Esamynn|Work | art3mis: I have a counter example :P |
| 01:47.02 | sag_ich_nicht | Esamynn|Work there was a bug |
| 01:47.08 | sag_ich_nicht | that gave shamans 1 extra point |
| 01:47.12 | sag_ich_nicht | that's why the reset was |
| 01:47.16 | Esamynn|Work | ahh |
| 01:47.32 | sag_ich_nicht | which is what dreamss already said |
| 01:48.01 | Esamynn|Work | art3mis: when Druid's got Innervate, druids who had the Innervate talent got the Swiftmend talent, not a complete talent reset |
| 01:48.21 | art3mis | wierd |
| 01:48.26 | art3mis | ive only ever seen fulls |
| 01:48.58 | Esamynn|Work | art3mis: they only reset talents when the tree's structure changes so that NOT resetting could result in illegal talent selections |
| 01:49.08 | Esamynn|Work | at least, that's the official line |
| 01:49.54 | Esamynn|Work | sag_ich_nicht: I didn't realise he meant that shamans who had the dual-wield talent got BOTH an extra point AND the new talent |
| 01:51.07 | Esamynn|Work | later folks |
| 01:51.56 | Cairenn | later Esamynn|Away |
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| 02:05.47 | Kelfarr | wow commercials http://worldofwarcraft.com/downloads/movies.html |
| 02:09.44 | Wobwork | wtb bruce campbell as a human pally |
| 02:10.33 | art3mis | groovy |
| 02:12.58 | bleeter | Esamynn|Away: blizz loves shamans 'coz shtaner's a shaman |
| 02:13.40 | Cairenn | loves BE Mohawks better! |
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| 02:15.46 | art3mis | you cant sit here and listen to classic music in the dark all day |
| 02:15.52 | art3mis | i could have if you hadnt tuurned on the lights and stopped the tape player |
| 02:16.00 | art3mis | baby got back |
| 02:17.19 | Cairenn | errr, NE rather |
| 02:17.38 | art3mis | when a girl walks by with an itty bitty waist and a blue tail in your face you sprung |
| 02:17.55 | art3mis | draenai got back |
| 02:18.23 | art3mis | wheee |
| 02:18.33 | art3mis | im so happy my leo lockups are gone with a 5$ net card |
| 02:18.47 | art3mis | now to remember where i put my non creative soundcards |
| 02:18.58 | art3mis | mac doesn't like creative for some reason |
| 02:20.51 | SP|Sorren | what sound hardware do macs use? |
| 02:21.01 | art3mis | mostly crap ;) |
| 02:21.22 | art3mis | im not entirely sure but most of the intel ones are ac97 realtek stuff |
| 02:21.34 | SP|Sorren | bew |
| 02:21.48 | SP|Sorren | is it that apple </3 creative or creative </3 apple? ;p |
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| 02:35.33 | cogwheel | my new forum sig "If this thread was moved from another forum, I apologize for anything I may have said. " |
| 02:36.38 | cogwheel | nothing like screaming READ THE FARKING STICKIES FOR JEEBUS' SAKE! to someone who posted in Customer Service... |
| 02:37.23 | bleeter | ~lart cogwheel |
| 02:37.23 | purl | pushes the wall down onto cogwheel whilst whistling innocently |
| 02:37.41 | bleeter | ~fail purl |
| 02:37.42 | purl | purl: Fail. |
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| 03:15.26 | malreth | hey guys... i just got out of the bathroom |
| 03:15.39 | JoshBorke | ... |
| 03:16.00 | malreth | and i've come to an incredible conclusion... everything makes sense about our universe, the big bang, and the observed increasing speed of the expansion of the universe |
| 03:16.23 | malreth | we are all part of a simulation... a game if you will... and it's really popular |
| 03:16.41 | malreth | so more and more players are joining and making the game a larger place |
| 03:18.08 | Robaldinho | it could just be a dream |
| 03:18.24 | Wobwork | Or a bad curry |
| 03:18.32 | malreth | i know it seems silly, but i betcha that by coming to this realization, i've earned the player who is controlling me the equivalent of an epic item or a new title |
| 03:18.44 | Wobwork | while in the bathroom |
| 03:18.47 | Robaldinho | i like to think of the universe like i think of myself |
| 03:18.51 | Robaldinho | an accident |
| 03:19.06 | Wobwork | malreth: Level'd up in there did you |
| 03:19.28 | malreth | Wobwork: more like dumped some vendor trash |
| 03:20.06 | Wobwork | as long as it wasn't BoP |
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| 03:31.44 | Wobwork | "...Maybe you should marry that thing since you love it so much. Do you want to marry it? WELL I WON'T LET YOU! How does that feel?...." |
| 03:32.03 | buu | Hrm. |
| 03:32.05 | Wobwork | "Did you just stick that Aperture-Science-Thing-We-Don't-Know-What-It-Does into the Aperture-Science-Emergency-Intelligence-Incinerator!? That has got to be the dumbest thing ever-ever-ever-ever!" |
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| 03:32.17 | buu | buubot: be glados |
| 03:32.18 | buubot | buu: Ah - there isn't enough neurotoxin to kill you, so I guess you win. Ha - I'm making more! That's going to take a few minutes though. Meanwhile - oh look, it's your old pal the rocket turret. |
| 03:32.52 | Wobwork | buubot: be glados |
| 03:32.53 | buubot | Wobwork: Rest assured that an independent panel of ethicists has absolved the Enrichment Center, Aperture Science employees, and all test subjects for all moral responsibility for the companion cube euthanizing process. |
| 03:33.00 | Wobwork | win |
| 03:33.26 | Wobwork | ~glados |
| 03:33.35 | Wobwork | ~emulate glados |
| 03:33.43 | Wobwork | purl obviously isn't up with the times |
| 03:34.11 | buu | Buubot > purl. |
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| 03:36.59 | malreth | JoshBorke: did you read that link i sent you earlier about the curry function in lua? |
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| 03:40.56 | |Jelly| | Trial by fire: Complete. *cheers* |
| 03:48.51 | MentalPower | buubot: be glados |
| 03:48.52 | buubot | MentalPower: Some day we'll remember this and laugh. And laugh, and laugh. Oh boy. Well. You may as well come on back. |
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| 03:51.30 | |Jelly| | long day :) |
| 03:51.52 | Cairenn | sorry to hear that |
| 03:52.13 | |Jelly| | It's not your fault. Just day 1 at new job and I pulled a double (I've never waited tables before) |
| 03:52.37 | Cairenn | fun fun |
| 03:53.27 | |Jelly| | Yeah |
| 03:53.37 | |Jelly| | *shrug* It gets my mind off RL bullshit so whatever. |
| 03:53.45 | Cairenn | true enough |
| 03:53.45 | |Jelly| | Plus, I'll be making half decent money. |
| 03:53.50 | Cairenn | even better |
| 03:53.54 | |Jelly| | How was your day? |
| 03:54.05 | Cairenn | pretty boring, actually |
| 03:54.52 | Cairenn | (boring is sometimes nice) |
| 03:55.10 | |Jelly| | Yeah |
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| 03:58.00 | |Jelly| | ~hug Shirik. |
| 03:58.00 | purl | ACTION sneaks up on Shirik. and suddenly hugs Shirik. tightly |
| 03:58.04 | Shirik | blargh |
| 03:58.20 | |Jelly| | Sorry Shirik, Cairenn got my real on. :P |
| 03:58.26 | Shirik | my computer at home doesn't work and I don't know why |
| 03:58.27 | Shirik | not fun |
| 03:58.55 | Shirik | I really don't want to spend money on what would be a week |
| 03:59.11 | Wobwork | hm |
| 03:59.18 | Wobwork | is there any way to save a vararg wholesale? |
| 03:59.26 | Wobwork | without having to step through it |
| 03:59.39 | Shirik | not entirely reliably |
| 03:59.49 | Shirik | but depending on what you expect the vararg to have int it |
| 03:59.50 | Shirik | perhaps |
| 03:59.57 | Wobwork | bag ids |
| 04:00.01 | Shirik | local t = {...} |
| 04:00.21 | Wobwork | that'll work, eh? |
| 04:00.26 | Wobwork | hokies |
| 04:00.28 | malreth | yep |
| 04:00.32 | Shirik | trailing nils, however, do not propogate. nils is the big problem |
| 04:00.38 | Shirik | holes, etc. |
| 04:00.43 | Wobwork | aha |
| 04:00.45 | malreth | yes, holes nils |
| 04:01.09 | malreth | store the length of the vararg by doing a local n = select ("#",...) |
| 04:01.41 | MentalPower | lua> foobar(...) return {...} end print(foobar(1,2,3,nil,nil,nil,7,8,9,nil)) |
| 04:01.41 | lua_bot | MentalPower: sandbox.lua:286: Compilation failed: [string "foobar(...) return {...} end print(foobar(1,2,3,nil,nil,nil,7,8..."]:1: '<eof>' expected near 'end' |
| 04:01.54 | MentalPower | lua> function foobar(...) return {...} end print(foobar(1,2,3,nil,nil,nil,7,8,9,nil)) |
| 04:01.55 | lua_bot | MentalPower: { 1, 2, 3, [7] = 7, [8] = 8, [9] = 9 } (#1) |
| 04:02.42 | Wobwork | hm, any particular way to feed a varargs into an already existing table? |
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| 04:02.51 | Shirik | table.insert and select |
| 04:02.57 | Shirik | and a for loop |
| 04:02.58 | Wobwork | hm, guessed as much |
| 04:03.11 | MentalPower | (what Shirik said) |
| 04:03.13 | JoshBorke | anybody know the mechanics behind shaman chain heal? |
| 04:03.32 | Shirik | man, I just looked at the wall of books in this room |
| 04:03.40 | Shirik | I haven't been in this room in like forever |
| 04:04.02 | Wobwork | One day I will be able to afford a place with two rooms |
| 04:04.06 | Wobwork | "Read" and "Unread" |
| 04:04.09 | Shirik | "PHP 4.1" "Perl: Fast & Easy Web Development" "Using C++" "Palm programming" "Graphics programming with Perl" |
| 04:04.14 | Shirik | so many memories |
| 04:04.18 | Wobwork | ahaha |
| 04:04.19 | Shirik | those are all from like middle school >< |
| 04:04.26 | Wobwork | "Perl" and "Fast and Easy" |
| 04:04.29 | Xuerian | haha |
| 04:04.34 | Shirik | actually I still don't know perl :P |
| 04:04.41 | Shirik | despite the fact that I apparently have two books on it |
| 04:04.50 | Wobwork | that's alright Shirik, nobody really knows Perl |
| 04:04.53 | Shirik | lol |
| 04:04.55 | Wobwork | They just pretend to |
| 04:05.17 | malreth | Shirik: i rewrote the curry function from this morning using a tail recursive function that appends the extra argument to the end of the vararg, avoiding the creation of an extra table |
| 04:05.18 | Wobwork | It's like one of those languages that don't actually have a written component |
| 04:05.23 | Shirik | OMFG |
| 04:05.27 | Shirik | someone brought this thread back?! |
| 04:05.38 | malreth | i'm like a pitbull |
| 04:05.42 | malreth | i can't let it go |
| 04:05.44 | Wobwork | People can 'speak' perl, but as soon as they write it down, it becomes incomprehensible |
| 04:07.13 | malreth | i've learned more about varargs, immutable tuples, and lambda calculus today than I ever wished to in a single lifetime |
| 04:07.31 | Shirik | want to do more calculus? |
| 04:07.42 | malreth | but it now handles trailing nil arguments |
| 04:07.57 | malreth | but i've sacrificed execution speed for memory efficiency |
| 04:07.59 | Shirik | someone recently necroed a very old thread regarding calculus in WoW :) |
| 04:08.07 | Shirik | I had extensive work in that I just never got around to coding it |
| 04:08.31 | malreth | i failed at the calculus in college |
| 04:08.41 | MentalPower | malreth: what is this curry function that I keep hearing about? |
| 04:08.48 | Shirik | sqrt(1-[(1/(2sqrt(x^2+y^2)))(2x(dx/dt)+2y(dy/dt))]/[(m+1)s]^2) = dz/dt / [(m+1)s] |
| 04:08.49 | Shirik | [(m+1)s] * sqrt(1-[(1/(2sqrt(x^2+y^2)))(2x(dx/dt)+2y(dy/dt))]/[(m+1)s]) = dz/dt |
| 04:08.53 | Shirik | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=77785285&sid=1&pageNo=4 |
| 04:08.56 | malreth | but i passed logic and predicate calculus with an A... go fig |
| 04:09.21 | malreth | Shirik: that looks very much like a taylor series or something |
| 04:09.45 | Shirik | it is most definitely only something to allow for coding of a VSI |
| 04:09.49 | Shirik | that's it |
| 04:09.50 | Kelfarr | skirik |
| 04:09.59 | Kelfarr | someone bumped a post from febuary |
| 04:10.02 | Kelfarr | you are second poster! |
| 04:10.07 | Shirik | affirmative |
| 04:10.11 | Shirik | that's what I'm talking about right now actually |
| 04:10.11 | malreth | MentalPower: http://wowi.pastey.net/77724 |
| 04:10.47 | malreth | i'm not kidding... i seriously failed second semester calculus |
| 04:10.49 | malreth | three times |
| 04:10.59 | malreth | after that, the advisors suggested i change majors |
| 04:11.00 | Shirik | OMG |
| 04:11.04 | Shirik | and |Jelly| was still on Thanatos |
| 04:11.05 | Shirik | wow |
| 04:11.16 | Shirik | wait hang on I'm confused |
| 04:11.37 | Shirik | malreth: Seriously, calculus is easy |
| 04:11.43 | Shirik | determining the applications of calculus is the strange part |
| 04:11.45 | malreth | that's what people keep saying |
| 04:11.53 | Shirik | but I go to an aerospace school |
| 04:11.56 | Shirik | I deal with it on a daily basis |
| 04:12.00 | Shirik | in every single one of my classes |
| 04:12.10 | malreth | and it baffled the advisors that i passed predicate calc and logic with ease |
| 04:12.38 | |Jelly| | [22:10]<Shirik>and |Jelly| was still on Thanatos -- wtf? |
| 04:12.39 | malreth | and i had no problem at all in the actual computer science classes |
| 04:12.47 | Shirik | |Jelly|: I'm confused |
| 04:12.50 | Shirik | did you move servers? |
| 04:13.09 | malreth | but since second semester calculus was a prereq for the rest of the major, i had to bail from it |
| 04:13.16 | |Jelly| | no |
| 04:13.20 | Shirik | uh |
| 04:13.27 | Shirik | well in that thread, it says you're from Thanatos |
| 04:13.33 | Shirik | and I seem to remember you're on burning legion |
| 04:13.41 | |Jelly| | It says that's my guild. |
| 04:13.49 | Shirik | .. oh |
| 04:13.49 | |Jelly| | If I swap servers, it'll probably be to Velen. |
| 04:13.52 | Shirik | >.> |
| 04:14.04 | Shirik | <-- tired |
| 04:14.10 | |Jelly| | <-- is too |
| 04:14.24 | Shirik | jet lag and I didn't even switch time zones |
| 04:14.25 | malreth | thanatos is the destructive spirit? |
| 04:14.41 | malreth | ah... yes... death and destruction |
| 04:14.54 | malreth | personification, actually, not spirit |
| 04:15.12 | Shirik | oh btw |Jelly| I was looking for you earlier |
| 04:15.21 | |Jelly| | I was just asked to join by friends and I did. |
| 04:15.46 | |Jelly| | What's up? |
| 04:15.46 | JoshBorke | can someone link or explain to me the mechanics behind chain heal? |
| 04:16.36 | |Jelly| | HOLLY BALLS! SHRIG WANTS TO TAKE OVER RYAS?!?! (sorry for caps...but I think it was needed) |
| 04:18.38 | Kelfarr | ryas quitting wayyyy |
| 04:18.42 | Kelfarr | yeah jelly |
| 04:18.46 | Kelfarr | did you see what i said |
| 04:18.48 | Kelfarr | he got all mad |
| 04:18.55 | |Jelly| | He's a retard. |
| 04:19.01 | Kelfarr | i said give it to saeto or tapestry not that idiot |
| 04:19.12 | Kelfarr | he realeased his UI lol over 2000 views and only 50 dls |
| 04:19.16 | Kelfarr | because it sucks so bad |
| 04:19.40 | |Jelly| | If Ryas gives his WoWI account to Shrig, Cairenn just needs to close it. :P |
| 04:19.55 | Kelfarr | hopefully |
| 04:20.04 | Kelfarr | I doubt shrig will take it over he just said i would like to |
| 04:20.19 | |Jelly| | Honestly though, I doubt that happens. And if it does, we'll call it the pre-nerf versions. :P |
| 04:20.43 | Cairenn | if Ryas gives his mod to Shrig to maintain, not a thing I can (or will) do about it - his right as the creator |
| 04:21.08 | Shirik | sure there is Cairenn |
| 04:21.20 | Shirik | you CAN delete the addon :) Will you? Probably not, nor would I recommend it |
| 04:21.42 | ScytheBlade1 | How many people actually use it, out of curiosity? |
| 04:21.50 | |Jelly| | Quite a few, I would imagine. |
| 04:21.50 | Cairenn | Shirik: point |
| 04:22.05 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm not even sure what addon this is, to be honest |
| 04:22.12 | |Jelly| | Cairenn: I should have better shown that I was being facetious. |
| 04:22.20 | ScytheBlade1 | All I know is that this Shrig guy is a tool. |
| 04:22.22 | Cairenn | |Jelly|: I know you were |
| 04:22.58 | Cairenn | :) |
| 04:24.19 | JoshBorke | hast du gut geschlafen Cairenn? |
| 04:24.46 | Robaldinho | I guess you guys would be the best people to ask what the best addons for WoW there are atm. |
| 04:24.54 | Cairenn | actually, I take that back - no I don't, I prefer my hugs to be real :) |
| 04:25.06 | malreth | definitely Mazzlegasm Interruptus |
| 04:25.10 | malreth | that's the best one |
| 04:25.32 | |Jelly| | Robaldinho: What's the best car? What's the best day? -- Subjective questions. What are you wanting to do with your addons? |
| 04:25.55 | Shirik | wtf |
| 04:26.02 | Shirik | why did I read that as a "What are you wearing with your addons" |
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| 04:26.07 | Robaldinho | I've only just got into the game 3 weeks ago |
| 04:26.09 | Shirik | I REALLY need to get some sleep |
| 04:26.20 | Cairenn | Shirik: rofl, go sleep silly |
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| 04:26.37 | Shirik | &@$%)@(%#^_)!@#* |
| 04:26.43 | Shirik | I just spent all this time updating WoW on this damn computer |
| 04:26.47 | Shirik | now it's at 2.3 |
| 04:26.50 | Shirik | and it tells me it's not BC |
| 04:26.54 | Robaldinho | And it is by strange coincidence that a google search on Mazzlegasm Interruptus brings up your name on the 2nd link malreth.. |
| 04:26.59 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 04:27.01 | Robaldinho | Strange indeed. |
| 04:27.49 | Cairenn | Robaldinho: my suggestion to you - start simple - pick one thing that you wish your interface had/did, find a mod (or two or three) that give/do that one thing, try them out one after the other, see what you think |
| 04:27.56 | |Jelly| | Don't even need that addon anymore, pending you read the MazzleUI screens. |
| 04:28.11 | Robaldinho | Right |
| 04:28.13 | Cairenn | move on from there |
| 04:28.29 | Shirik | lies |
| 04:28.57 | Shirik | the best way to learn Lua is by doing everything at once. Think of everything you could ever possibly want, create a huge modular framework with all capabilities with ability to expand |
| 04:28.59 | |Jelly| | The addons I start off with are: Bartender (so I can hide all my bars); Pitbull (because UF placement to me is paramount); Align (cause I'm OCD); eePanels (Cause I like purdy); SMM (so I can move my map); BuBar (to hide the minimap icons, for the most part) |
| 04:29.02 | Shirik | This way you learn all of Lua! |
| 04:29.15 | Shirik | p.s. that was sarcasm, don't do that |
| 04:29.21 | malreth | nonsense... download the wowaceupdater, check everything, and let it download for the next hour |
| 04:29.29 | Shirik | ...... |
| 04:29.34 | malreth | then be amazed when WoW takes 5 minutes to load |
| 04:29.41 | Robaldinho | gee |
| 04:29.50 | Shirik | what do you mean 5 minutes to load |
| 04:29.54 | malreth | someone actually did that... |
| 04:29.54 | Shirik | it won't load at all |
| 04:29.59 | Robaldinho | thats one thing i wish happend, wow loading in 5 minutes |
| 04:30.07 | Robaldinho | >_> |
| 04:30.10 | Shirik | you can do it |
| 04:30.37 | |Jelly| | I'm tempted to rename my Interface/WTF folders and FRAPS it. |
| 04:30.46 | |Jelly| | (loading with every ace mod installed) |
| 04:30.48 | Shirik | frame = CreateFrame"FRAME"; frame:RegisterEvent("ADDON_LOADED"); frame:SetScript("OnEvent", function() local t = GetTime(); while (GetTime() < t + 300) do end end); |
| 04:30.49 | Shirik | there you go |
| 04:30.53 | Shirik | 5 minute load time |
| 04:30.54 | Shirik | simple enough |
| 04:31.34 | malreth | someone installed over 600 addons and then wondered why the game took so long to load up |
| 04:31.52 | ScytheBlade1 | ... seriously? |
| 04:32.25 | malreth | serious |
| 04:32.30 | Cairenn | now, see, that's exactly how you DON'T get started using addons - you wouldn't know which end was up |
| 04:32.45 | ScytheBlade1 | You wouldn't know what "up" is, quite frankly |
| 04:33.08 | malreth | he wanted to know which 5 addons he actually liked so he could uninstall the rest |
| 04:33.08 | Robaldinho | haha I would do that on a test install |
| 04:33.33 | Cairenn | can you imagine, trying to sort out what addon is doing what if you randomly dumped 600 into your folder? |
| 04:33.37 | Robaldinho | it would be a magical mystery tour every single day finding something new |
| 04:33.59 | |Jelly| | I'm doing it! |
| 04:34.15 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm more concerned about the memory usage. |
| 04:34.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Holy good crap. |
| 04:34.42 | Cairenn | lol, I don't even want to thhink about that |
| 04:34.59 | Cairenn | -h |
| 04:35.02 | ScytheBlade1 | They complained about it loading slow, and that was it? |
| 04:35.13 | ScytheBlade1 | They must have 4GB of RAM in there or something |
| 04:35.35 | malreth | lemme dig it up |
| 04:35.40 | malreth | they weren't really complaining |
| 04:35.49 | ScytheBlade1 | That's... honestly shocking |
| 04:36.03 | malreth | they just wanted to know how to tell which of the 600 addons were the ones he liked |
| 04:36.38 | ScytheBlade1 | lol. Should have told him to do the typical "binary search" that's recommended when an addon is breaking things ;D |
| 04:37.08 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Shirik|TELNET (n=Shirik@conspiracy/developer/Shirik) |
| 04:37.28 | malreth | oh my gosh... |
| 04:37.39 | malreth | that'd take forever with 600 |
| 04:37.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Well, technically, it could be worse :) |
| 04:38.11 | Shirik|TELNET | It could be 700... |
| 04:38.16 | malreth | http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=10001.0;topicseen |
| 04:38.19 | Shirik|TELNET | Cidan: Ping |
| 04:38.52 | ScytheBlade1 | 2GB of RAM? Core 2 Duo? ALL of the Ace addons? |
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| 04:39.04 | malreth | all but the outdated ones |
| 04:39.05 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm honestly surprised his UI was functional at all |
| 04:39.23 | Robaldinho | I guess it's touch and go now whether or not addons will work now that 2.3 is out? |
| 04:39.47 | ScytheBlade1 | " |
| 04:39.55 | ScytheBlade1 | No errors in lua or conflicts noticed." |
| 04:39.59 | ScytheBlade1 | I don't believe that for a moment |
| 04:40.22 | Wobwork | buubot: be glados |
| 04:40.22 | buubot | Wobwork: As part of a previously mentioned required test protocol, we can no longer lie to you. When the testing is over, you will be… missed! |
| 04:40.43 | malreth | http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/1888/wowscrnshot112007222904xj1.jpg |
| 04:40.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Aperture Science bring your daughter to work day is the perfect time to have her tested. |
| 04:40.53 | Cairenn | Robaldinho: what makes you say/think that? |
| 04:40.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Or, in laymens terms, speedy things goes in, speedy thing goes out. |
| 04:41.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Mmm, classy game. |
| 04:41.48 | Robaldinho | Well, usually if a program has a mod, then if the program is updated, sometimes the mods stop working. |
| 04:42.27 | Cairenn | most authors have their mods already all updated, have had for a while |
| 04:42.42 | Wobwork | ScytheBlade1: It's a -very- good game =) |
| 04:43.05 | Robaldinho | ah |
| 04:43.09 | MentalPower | Robaldinho: that would be true for a day, perhaps two after a WoW patch is released, after that all is back to normal |
| 04:43.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Wobwork: I actually took the time to extract some of the sound files from the final encounter and send them to a friend who hasn't played it |
| 04:43.46 | malreth | lovely quote "FuBar is there, there are just too many addons for fubar so its not shown correctly" |
| 04:43.53 | ScytheBlade1 | "That was the catalytic cracking unit. It made shoes for orphans. Good job breaking it, hero." |
| 04:43.59 | Robaldinho | I guess with 8m subscribers, it's going to be fixed quite quickyl |
| 04:44.03 | Robaldinho | quickly* |
| 04:44.21 | Robaldinho | I have a lot to learn :-\ |
| 04:44.21 | |Jelly| | Updating: 1123 Remaining... |
| 04:44.31 | malreth | a small minority use addons so it's not that bad |
| 04:45.01 | Cairenn | if even that long, honestly - most authors, between the PTRs and the "upcoming X.X.X changes" threads, have their mods ready to go before or by the patch release date |
| 04:45.19 | Cairenn | (further to MentalPower's comment) |
| 04:45.29 | malreth | and a lot of mods continue to work just fine with no changes at all after a patch |
| 04:45.33 | Cairenn | yup |
| 04:45.37 | Cairenn | just "load out of date" |
| 04:46.07 | Cairenn | it's the rare patch that completely screws up all mods |
| 04:46.31 | malreth | ahh... a fine vintage those patches |
| 04:46.59 | malreth | i keep a few bottles of those in storage in my cellar |
| 04:47.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Mmm, simple addons. :) |
| 04:47.13 | malreth | they're filled with the tears of crying users |
| 04:47.22 | JoshBorke | yay 1111 shadow damage |
| 04:48.24 | Wobwork | I don't understand people who want the 'pure' experience of not using mods |
| 04:48.25 | Lukian | JoshBorke, you need 1332 (or 1337) :D |
| 04:49.01 | malreth | ha! i haven't caught up on that thread all day... the last message in it "I would'nt listen to these nancy's, remember bigger is better. 603 addons.. why stop there have you see the Cursed UI website they have a new downloader to!" |
| 04:49.10 | Wobwork | It's like, Blizzard gives you the ability to ski or sled, or snowshoe across the snow laden plains |
| 04:49.24 | Wobwork | but you choose to slog your way through in summer clothing =P |
| 04:49.53 | malreth | well, some people simply don't see enough of a benefit to run addons |
| 04:49.54 | Wobwork | Sure, the clothing is functional, and you -will- make it across |
| 04:50.02 | Wobwork | but you won't enjoy yourself as much |
| 04:50.07 | malreth | several of my friends run addon free... they just don't see the point |
| 04:50.16 | malreth | they seem to enjoy the game just fine |
| 04:50.26 | JoshBorke | nn |
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| 04:50.44 | Lukian | malreth, any of them raiding healers? :) |
| 04:50.52 | Wobwork | Well, I only know of a few people who deliberately do not use any addons of any sort |
| 04:51.00 | malreth | no... that's probably why they enjoy playing the game. :D |
| 04:51.04 | Wobwork | most of them just haven't tried with addons |
| 04:51.14 | Wobwork | or have not found the one that is useful to them |
| 04:51.25 | Wobwork | cause god knows there are a lot of addons out there |
| 04:51.38 | malreth | healing... what a way to ruin a perfectly good gaming experience! |
| 04:51.50 | Wobwork | It should be like Diablo2 |
| 04:51.54 | Wobwork | no healing at all |
| 04:52.01 | Wobwork | (except that stupid pally skill noone used) |
| 04:52.53 | Robaldinho | I feel like I missed out with Diablo 2 |
| 04:52.59 | Robaldinho | I only ever played the first. |
| 04:53.01 | Wobwork | It was a riot of mouseclicks |
| 04:53.01 | Lukian | haha chain potions would make raiding fun :P |
| 04:54.11 | Wobwork | it's not like you had 'tanks' in D2 |
| 04:54.30 | Wobwork | or any sort of class dependant party makeup |
| 04:55.25 | Lukian | the game was soloable with the right spec / items, but a 2nd player and crap all knowledge did you just fine too ^^ |
| 04:55.49 | Wobwork | the game was soloable with any of the classes |
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| 04:56.00 | Lukian | yup :) |
| 04:56.41 | SP|Sorren | secret cow level |
| 04:56.43 | SP|Sorren | such good exp |
| 05:03.29 | Shirik|Ecole | noooo |
| 05:03.31 | Shirik|Ecole | oooooooooo |
| 05:03.37 | Shirik|Ecole | visual studio 2008 beta is over :/ |
| 05:03.43 | Shirik|Ecole | I can't install it on this computer =( |
| 05:03.57 | Shirik|Ecole | Now I might actually have to buy it |
| 05:04.02 | SP|Sorren | turn back your clock! |
| 05:04.09 | Shirik|Ecole | no, I don't even have the file |
| 05:04.14 | SP|Sorren | oh |
| 05:04.15 | Wobwork | bring the wheels of time to a stop |
| 05:04.17 | SP|Sorren | {That's too bad.} |
| 05:04.18 | Wobwork | back to the day |
| 05:04.24 | Wobwork | when life was so much beeeeettttttter |
| 05:04.36 | malreth | Wheel of Time did come to a stop... the guy died... |
| 05:04.38 | SP|Sorren | and the dragon walked the earth? |
| 05:04.46 | SP|Sorren | his notes are complete, apparently |
| 05:04.49 | SP|Sorren | someone could finish it! |
| 05:05.12 | SP|Sorren | though i stopped reading after that 1 book that spanned like 3 days of world time |
| 05:05.26 | SP|Sorren | for like 1000 pages |
| 05:07.07 | |Jelly| | http://i3.tinypic.com/8dxz4p5.jpg kek |
| 05:07.34 | malreth | |Jelly|: LOL!!! |
| 05:08.48 | SP|Sorren | 10,000 folders, sweet. |
| 05:09.45 | |Jelly| | I don't mess around |
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| 05:12.54 | Shirik|Ecole | hrm |
| 05:12.56 | Shirik|Ecole | Drive C: |
| 05:13.04 | Shirik|Ecole | Free Space: 8.00KB |
| 05:14.01 | Shirik|Ecole | I would take a screenshot to show you, but I have no way of storing it so I can upload it |
| 05:15.00 | cog|away | blehhhhhhhhhh |
| 05:15.49 | cog|away | Turning on a gas wall heater after 8 months is very stinky |
| 05:16.19 | Shirik|Ecole | hehe, yes it is |
| 05:16.27 | Shirik|Ecole | I rmeember when I turned on the heater in my dorm two years ago |
| 05:16.32 | cog|away | I wonder how much insect matter is now in my lungs... |
| 05:16.35 | Shirik|Ecole | seemed like it hadn't been used in like 5 |
| 05:18.00 | Shirik|Ecole | awesome! |
| 05:18.11 | Shirik|Ecole | So I try to uninstall visual studio 2003 to free some spae |
| 05:18.39 | Shirik|Ecole | "Out of disk space: volume 'C' required -38,208 KB, has 0KB free. Please free some space and retry." |
| 05:18.44 | Shirik|Ecole | um... |
| 05:20.13 | Thunder_Child | ~scream |
| 05:20.14 | purl | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh!!! |
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| 05:23.37 | malreth | this is funny... |
| 05:23.45 | |Jelly|Laptop | ? |
| 05:23.47 | malreth | so i bought this engagement ring and all |
| 05:24.09 | malreth | before doing so, i asked for her ring size and she says 8.5 |
| 05:24.17 | malreth | so i buy a ring... size 8.5 |
| 05:24.34 | malreth | and it turns out the jeweler who sized her was on crack because she's really a 7.5 |
| 05:24.58 | Wobwork | string around finger method imo =) |
| 05:25.05 | malreth | fortunately, the jeweler i bought the ring from will do free resizes for the first 45 days |
| 05:25.11 | Rayne | ... |
| 05:25.19 | malreth | which is good since it's platinum and that's 'spensive to resize |
| 05:25.26 | Wobwork | nice |
| 05:25.29 | Wobwork | Ps, grats =) |
| 05:25.31 | malreth | so i send it off for resizing and it's coming back |
| 05:25.33 | malreth | thanks |
| 05:25.55 | malreth | and it's coming back on november 26th... the anniversary of the day we officially became a couple |
| 05:26.01 | Wobwork | "Honey, you know that ring that was too large? *makes hand motion* That was not the ring you were looking for..." |
| 05:26.36 | Wobwork | Rayne: If you could get that over the internet... I'd be selling them like hotcakes |
| 05:27.05 | malreth | Wobwork: you just need a hardware engineer and a simple little app that interfaces with it |
| 05:27.17 | Rayne | Well, Jelly usually gives me them reguarally |
| 05:27.22 | malreth | it could attach to the top of your monitor like a webcam |
| 05:27.33 | Rayne | whats up Jelly? |
| 05:27.38 | malreth | you punch a button and BAM! it punches the person in the throat |
| 05:27.51 | |Jelly|Laptop | Well, I can't really talk about it. |
| 05:27.56 | Rayne | k |
| 05:28.00 | |Jelly|Laptop | ...but the part that I can is WoW has stopped loading. |
| 05:28.12 | malreth | it's a sign |
| 05:28.13 | Rayne | we could laugh at Shrig wanting to take over Ryas UI |
| 05:28.14 | |Jelly|Laptop | I mean, it's only 1100 mods. |
| 05:28.26 | malreth | LOL! |
| 05:28.49 | |Jelly|Laptop | (fraps, by the way...pending I don't run out of hard drive space before. lol) |
| 05:29.01 | malreth | oh gods |
| 05:29.07 | Cairenn | rofl, you're really doing it? |
| 05:29.24 | Rayne | 1100 mods? wtf? |
| 05:29.27 | |Jelly|Laptop | It's already downloaded and installed. |
| 05:29.40 | |Jelly|Laptop | Shirik thinks it's stuck in an endless loop. |
| 05:29.46 | Cairenn | yer nuts |
| 05:29.54 | Shirik|Ecole | I said that was one possible explanation |
| 05:29.55 | |Jelly|Laptop | Funny...he said the same thing. |
| 05:29.57 | Shirik|Ecole | not that it is :) |
| 05:30.02 | |Jelly|Laptop | STFU NOOB |
| 05:30.10 | Cairenn | :( |
| 05:30.22 | |Jelly|Laptop | ~hug Shirik |
| 05:30.23 | purl | ACTION gets a running start and tackle-hugs Shirik |
| 05:30.34 | Shirik|Ecole | ~hug Cairenn and |Jelly| |
| 05:30.35 | purl | ACTION jumps into Cairenn and |Jelly|'s lap and huggles and *hugs* Cairenn and |Jelly| |
| 05:31.06 | Shirik|Ecole | so I was all worried about this telecommunciations test |
| 05:31.32 | Shirik|Ecole | I guess I had good reason to, the class got an average of a 74, low 32 |
| 05:31.38 | Shirik|Ecole | but apparently I managed to get a 92 >.> |
| 05:31.41 | malreth | those laps are awfully close together |
| 05:32.48 | Thunder_Child | 1100 mods..meh |
| 05:33.54 | Thunder_Child | |Jelly|, thats a really close number to WAU's list of 1103..... |
| 05:34.10 | Rayne | I can hear the sound of jellys CPU and RAM melting from NJ... |
| 05:34.31 | |Jelly|Laptop | Thunder_Child: that's really all the mods on the WAU list. *cough* |
| 05:34.42 | Shirik|Ecole | And it's been 48 hours since I've had sleep so I shall head out |
| 05:34.50 | Shirik|Ecole | I antiipate that when I wake up, |Jelly| will still be loading |
| 05:34.54 | Cairenn | sweet dreams Shirik|Ecole |
| 05:34.56 | |Jelly|Laptop | i took a shot of the wow folder earlier. someone should copy it for him since i'm on my laptop now. |
| 05:34.58 | Thunder_Child | heh, i would do it but i dont want to lose my current list of ace addons |
| 05:35.02 | |Jelly|Laptop | Night night, Shirik. |
| 05:35.29 | malreth | bah, the drama thread is all philosophical and crap |
| 05:36.05 | |Jelly|Laptop | I'm about to just stop the load. |
| 05:36.50 | malreth | you should file a bug report about that, Jelly |
| 05:36.58 | |Jelly|Laptop | rofl |
| 05:37.09 | |Jelly|Laptop | [BUG] Every Ace mod wont load correctly. |
| 05:37.16 | Shirik|zZz | "Ever since I installed <insert addon name here>, WoW doesn't load" |
| 05:37.22 | Shirik|zZz | put that on every Ace mod's page |
| 05:37.23 | |Jelly|Laptop | lol |
| 05:37.31 | Shirik|zZz | intentionally leave out that the rest of them were installed at the same time |
| 05:37.33 | malreth | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:37.54 | |Jelly|Laptop | I should post on the wow ui forums about it. |
| 05:38.00 | |Jelly|Laptop | ...just cause i know those people. |
| 05:38.34 | malreth | well... when you think about it... the addon loading code should have some reasonable limits on the number of addons that it tries to load |
| 05:38.52 | Wobwork | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JX3VmDgiFnY |
| 05:38.56 | Wobwork | woo that's kinda cool |
| 05:39.08 | Wobwork | and makes it much more understandable |
| 05:39.46 | *** join/#wowi-lounge ckknight (n=ckknight@rrcs-74-62-251-185.west.biz.rr.com) |
| 05:41.44 | malreth | mmm |
| 05:41.45 | malreth | nice |
| 05:42.53 | malreth | all this talk about trying to load a thousand addons reminds me of Tem |
| 05:43.12 | malreth | ~seen Tem |
| 05:43.38 | purl | tem <n=tardmrr@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Dongle/Tem> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 20h 47m 21s ago, saying: 'Corrodias, there's a pally in my guild named Preacher'. |
| 05:43.47 | malreth | ah |
| 05:44.05 | malreth | i was worried that Tem was erased from timespace and i was the only one left with memories of him |
| 05:44.25 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Bejitt (n=Bejitt@adsl-147-238-214.jan.bellsouth.net) |
| 05:44.46 | cog|away | tem crashes wow |
| 05:45.06 | malreth | hello cog, old bean |
| 05:45.24 | |Jelly|Laptop | Hey cog,my wow wont load. fix it. |
| 05:45.30 | cogwheel | NO U |
| 05:45.36 | |Jelly|Laptop | plix |
| 05:45.50 | malreth | fraps or it didn't happen |
| 05:45.55 | Cairenn | Actually, you know, that is a good question - where *is* Tem? Not like him to not be in channels for almost a day |
| 05:46.15 | |Jelly|Laptop | (this is where someone needs to link that picture i linked on jellya while ago..) |
| 05:46.43 | malreth | http://i3.tinypic.com/8dxz4p5.jpg |
| 05:46.47 | |Jelly|Laptop | :P |
| 05:47.05 | malreth | the senseless waste of bandwidth... |
| 05:47.06 | |Jelly|Laptop | Fix mah WoW, cog! |
| 05:47.31 | malreth | it is |
| 05:47.46 | malreth | but i also think throwing rocks at hobos would be funny |
| 05:47.56 | malreth | doesn't mean i go... oh wait... yeah, i do |
| 05:48.01 | |Jelly|Laptop | but hobos can be easily updated on my computer. |
| 05:48.05 | |Jelly|Laptop | errm installed |
| 05:48.13 | |Jelly|Laptop | errm....put near me...? |
| 05:48.29 | cogwheel | youz bizchiz iz tooz diztracting... |
| 05:48.34 | cogwheel | :P |
| 05:48.40 | *** part/#wowi-lounge cogwheel (n=chatzill@c-67-164-121-134.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 05:48.53 | |Jelly|Laptop | qq moar imo |
| 05:50.09 | malreth | is it wrong of me to ask my girl to talk dirty to me in lolspeak? |
| 05:51.08 | malreth | i mean... i can't read posts on 4chan now without getting horny |
| 05:51.28 | malreth | i think i have problems.... |
| 06:03.03 | Thunder_Child | hmm..benders big score was rather good |
| 06:11.55 | Corrodias | i'm about ready to submit a bug report that my old pvp title won't stay turned off |
| 06:13.41 | Wobwork | Corrodias: It's been reported =\ |
| 06:13.47 | Corrodias | k |
| 06:14.13 | Wobwork | I want slouken to fix the CursorHasItem bug |
| 06:14.33 | Wobwork | It's been mentioned in the 2.3 thread, but perhaps I shoudl make a separate thread |
| 06:15.19 | Corrodias | well, before i went submitting any bugs, i'd check for existing reports |
| 06:15.31 | Corrodias | i just like to bounce ideas off other wow players while they're fresh |
| 06:15.36 | Wobwork | well that's what I said =P |
| 06:16.37 | Corrodias | wait, at what point did you say that i like to bounce ideas off other wow players before checking the forums? |
| 06:18.18 | Wobwork | no, the checking for existing reports =P |
| 06:18.48 | Wobwork | I 'said' it actually fairly implicitly in the previous statements |
| 06:18.53 | Wobwork | it's hidden good! |
| 06:19.15 | Corrodias | okay. i just wanted to be sure you didn't think i'd go making posts without checking for existing ones |
| 06:19.24 | Corrodias | had you not been here to tell me about it |
| 06:22.16 | Wobwork | goodness |
| 06:22.21 | Wobwork | What a thing to suggest. |
| 06:22.36 | Corrodias | people NEVER do that on the wow forums! |
| 06:22.49 | Wobwork | Well you know what they say about assumptions |
| 06:22.59 | Wobwork | They make an ass out of u and mptions. |
| 06:23.09 | Cairenn | lol |
| 06:24.16 | Corrodias | felspork is a go! |
| 06:24.44 | Cairenn | felspork? you finally ended up naming here felspork? |
| 06:24.48 | Cairenn | her* |
| 06:24.56 | Corrodias | yep |
| 06:25.59 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Corrodias |
| 06:25.59 | purl | whips out his power stapler and staples Corrodias's foot to the floor |
| 06:26.00 | Cairenn | night guys |
| 06:26.16 | Corrodias | now i just have to get used to the whole "not clicking on alliance guards to attack them" thing |
| 06:26.18 | Thunder_Child | night Cairenn|afk |
| 06:26.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | gonna be gone until next tuesday for thanksgiving, good luck and stay safe over the holiday, american #wowi-loungers :] |
| 06:26.50 | Cairenn|afk | you too Mr_Rabies2 |
| 06:26.55 | Cairenn|afk | have fun |
| 06:27.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | will do |
| 06:27.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'll be at daytona beach and will be bringing rock band, so i'm pretty much guaranteed to have a blast |
| 06:28.11 | Cairenn|afk | :) |
| 06:28.15 | Corrodias | nobody can dislike a spork |
| 06:28.43 | Corrodias | but we can dislike rabies and his beach |
| 06:29.18 | Thunder_Child | i can dislike spork...beacuse it doesnt have knife |
| 06:29.30 | Thunder_Child | Mr_Rabies2, have fun, try not to be to nerdy |
| 06:29.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm working on developing the sporfe |
| 06:30.08 | Thunder_Child | i'd rather a forife to be honest |
| 06:30.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.flickr.com/photos/mylsd/177160117/ |
| 06:30.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | someone beat me to it |
| 06:30.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | nooo |
| 06:31.01 | Thunder_Child | thats horible |
| 06:31.15 | Thunder_Child | the knife tine will break off in a heartbeat |
| 06:32.01 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Srosh (n=Srosh@d019251.adsl.hansenet.de) |
| 06:35.04 | Corrodias | men don't cut food |
| 06:35.06 | Corrodias | we just bite it |
| 06:35.56 | *** join/#wowi-lounge amro (n=amro@82.101.184.148) |
| 06:37.21 | Corrodias | or maybe that's just lazy people |
| 06:40.04 | SP|Sorren | i cut my steak :< |
| 06:40.18 | SP|Sorren | however, i need both a fork and a knife to do it with any efficiency |
| 06:40.25 | SP|Sorren | so thats totally useless to me. |
| 06:40.28 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Arrowmaster (n=Arrow@cpe-71-64-143-75.woh.res.rr.com) |
| 06:43.27 | Corrodias | now i just wish i knew somebody with some funds alliance-side |
| 06:43.34 | Corrodias | can't go buying gold... |
| 06:45.40 | *** join/#wowi-lounge art3mis (n=art3mis@WoWUIDev/WoWI/HKUI/art3mis) |
| 06:45.48 | art3mis | murg |
| 06:50.58 | Thunder_Child | odd..i think hiro from heroes is in balls of fury |
| 06:53.25 | Guillotine | anybody know the vb equivalent of gsub? |
| 06:56.02 | Kelfarr | yikes jelly |
| 06:56.11 | Kelfarr | http://i3.tinypic.com/8dxz4p5.jpg |
| 06:56.14 | Kelfarr | half a gig of addons |
| 07:01.47 | Corrodias | impressive |
| 07:02.02 | Corrodias | very. mine's only 114mb |
| 07:10.04 | Corrodias | these improvements in 2.3 are awesome |
| 07:10.08 | Corrodias | i can't wait to get this thing to level 20+ |
| 07:11.56 | matt1s | what improvements? |
| 07:11.57 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Wobin (n=wobin@203-214-142-176.perm.iinet.net.au) |
| 07:12.47 | Corrodias | well, like the new tracking options |
| 07:12.56 | Corrodias | and the whole experience thing 30-60 |
| 07:14.34 | Corrodias | i'm displeased by the tab target nerf, though |
| 07:14.57 | Thunder_Child | Corrodias, 20-60 |
| 07:15.16 | Corrodias | really? neat |
| 07:15.25 | Thunder_Child | ya |
| 07:15.30 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Guillotine (n=Guilloti@adsl-76-214-8-75.dsl.lsan03.sbcglobal.net) |
| 07:15.54 | Corrodias | i'm totally gonna gnome it up |
| 07:16.29 | Thunder_Child | people with short people fetishes should not be allowed to play |
| 07:17.10 | Tierrie | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/also_in_the_news/7097647.stm#html |
| 07:17.13 | Tierrie | a roofle moment |
| 07:18.15 | matt1s | is it significant, the xp nudge? |
| 07:18.32 | Thunder_Child | 15% |
| 07:18.39 | Thunder_Child | less XP nedded per lvl |
| 07:18.44 | Thunder_Child | needed* |
| 07:18.44 | Corrodias | and 30% more xp from quests, i think |
| 07:19.00 | Thunder_Child | i dont remember them giving a number for the quests |
| 07:19.06 | Thunder_Child | though you could be correct |
| 07:21.50 | Tierrie | you know everytime i have to wish for something, I wish i was the last man on earth |
| 07:22.00 | Tierrie | at least, from now on, that will be my wish |
| 07:22.08 | Tierrie | tough luck to everyone i know but hey, those are the breaks |
| 07:22.25 | Thunder_Child | thankfully your wishes dont come true |
| 07:22.30 | Tierrie | the last one did |
| 07:22.32 | Thunder_Child | though if it did we wouldnt be around to care |
| 07:22.40 | Tierrie | i wished for vanilla ice cream |
| 07:22.46 | Thunder_Child | so it seems to be a win-win |
| 07:22.47 | Tierrie | and went into ben and jerry's and got one |
| 07:22.55 | Tierrie | so far i am ONE FOR ONE! |
| 07:23.03 | Corrodias | i need an addon that displays timed quest timers |
| 07:23.24 | Tierrie | that would be trivial to write |
| 07:23.48 | Corrodias | i don't see the functionality in questsfu as i'd expect |
| 07:24.44 | *** join/#wowi-lounge art3mis (n=art3mis@WoWUIDev/WoWI/HKUI/art3mis) |
| 07:24.50 | Thunder_Child | wb art3mis |
| 07:25.06 | Thunder_Child | but i hate Saint-N |
| 07:25.22 | art3mis | thats cuz saint-n is a dick |
| 07:25.37 | Thunder_Child | no, that would mean i would like him more |
| 07:25.44 | *** join/#wowi-lounge zenzio (n=zenzelez@85.19.77.194) |
| 07:25.47 | art3mis | you like the dick? |
| 07:26.05 | Thunder_Child | atitude wise, yes |
| 07:26.11 | zenzio | always an interesting discussion going on in here |
| 07:26.16 | Thunder_Child | but i could easily imagine you to be two different people |
| 07:26.29 | Thunder_Child | you change when you go to work |
| 07:26.34 | zenzio | --> You are now talking on #wowi-lounge <art3mis> you like the dick? |
| 07:26.34 | batbot | zenzio: > [string "0"]:1: '=' expected near 'are' |
| 07:26.40 | zenzio | O_o |
| 07:26.41 | Thunder_Child | lol |
| 07:26.57 | art3mis | zen has the bestest timing |
| 07:26.57 | Tierrie | saint nicholas? |
| 07:27.00 | art3mis | yup |
| 07:27.10 | art3mis | sait-n became my xmas niuck about 6 years ago |
| 07:27.14 | art3mis | saint-n |
| 07:27.22 | Tierrie | can i be sgt-peppa |
| 07:27.24 | Thunder_Child | people that have diff names are stupid..... |
| 07:27.25 | art3mis | i just kept it for my work client |
| 07:27.36 | art3mis | not at all |
| 07:27.46 | art3mis | im on diff channels mostly on the tqwo diff clients |
| 07:27.55 | zenzio | I have two nicks too |
| 07:27.57 | art3mis | this and #warez on efnet are the only 2 that overlap |
| 07:28.19 | Thunder_Child | why #warez? |
| 07:28.33 | Thunder_Child | teh is lusers |
| 07:28.44 | Thunder_Child | s/teh/tehy/ |
| 07:29.15 | Tierrie | i'm going to guess warez is for teh warez |
| 07:29.23 | art3mis | heh its vanity |
| 07:29.23 | Thunder_Child | no kidding |
| 07:29.25 | Tierrie | probably secret stuff like phreaking |
| 07:29.31 | art3mis | there hasnt been a ware in there for a good 9 years |
| 07:29.34 | Tierrie | "how to phreak on a 1983 payphone" |
| 07:29.43 | art3mis | mostly we sit around and talk about nothing |
| 07:29.51 | art3mis | sorta like here |
| 07:29.56 | Tierrie | "how to courier over a isdn line" |
| 07:29.58 | Thunder_Child | i'll stick to my anarcists cookbook |
| 07:30.23 | art3mis | "why packets drop when couriering from .au" "Answer: the dolphins get caught in nets" |
| 07:30.24 | Tierrie | "how to xftp into /pub/usr/subdir/ and let everyone know" |
| 07:30.34 | matt1s | "How to build your own blue-box" |
| 07:30.51 | Tierrie | good old days :D |
| 07:30.54 | art3mis | heh |
| 07:30.56 | Tierrie | not that i ever warezd |
| 07:30.59 | Tierrie | it is bad |
| 07:31.07 | art3mis | yeah but how many of you can say you've met beowulf of razor ;P |
| 07:31.17 | art3mis | one of the best crackers of all time heh |
| 07:31.19 | Tierrie | i've never met anyone from razor :( |
| 07:31.23 | Tierrie | wow whats he like |
| 07:31.34 | Tierrie | white pastey and wearing a d&d shirt? |
| 07:31.36 | Tierrie | or suit and tie |
| 07:32.06 | art3mis | actually he was an average ee student |
| 07:32.21 | Tierrie | i was a student then too heh |
| 07:32.26 | art3mis | heh me too |
| 07:32.36 | Tierrie | Ohhhhhhhh where has my youth gone |
| 07:32.38 | art3mis | you remember U4ea? |
| 07:32.43 | art3mis | and pluvius |
| 07:32.47 | art3mis | of BoW ? |
| 07:32.55 | Tierrie | no i wasn't that close to the source |
| 07:32.59 | art3mis | oh man |
| 07:33.06 | art3mis | go read those on etext |
| 07:33.08 | Tierrie | i mostly enjoyed the fruits of their work |
| 07:33.21 | Tierrie | someone should really document their stories |
| 07:33.22 | art3mis | u4ea was in vancouver last i knew |
| 07:33.28 | Tierrie | before it fades into the annals of history |
| 07:33.31 | Thunder_Child | ohh ohhh ohhh....who gives a crap? |
| 07:33.35 | Tierrie | me! |
| 07:33.39 | art3mis | pluvius's summer of "rm my home directory" was the best summer ever |
| 07:33.43 | Thunder_Child | ~fail Tierrie |
| 07:33.43 | purl | Tierrie: Fail. |
| 07:33.52 | Tierrie | ~epic fail Thunder_Child |
| 07:33.56 | Thunder_Child | nice try |
| 07:34.00 | Tierrie | ~epicfail Thunder_Child |
| 07:34.03 | art3mis | tc is just young |
| 07:34.03 | Tierrie | ah sad |
| 07:34.05 | Thunder_Child | nope |
| 07:34.11 | Thunder_Child | i is not young |
| 07:34.17 | art3mis | his idea of hacking was sending cookie monster virus' at the gibson ;P |
| 07:34.30 | Thunder_Child | while i know/understand what you are talking about i could really care less |
| 07:34.35 | Tierrie | maybe he is post netscape navigator |
| 07:34.59 | Thunder_Child | ya, nerd insults....thats really gonna hurt me |
| 07:35.05 | bleeter | C iz fr cookie, thtz gud enuf 2 eet |
| 07:35.19 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Fumler (n=Fumler@148.83.128.14) |
| 07:35.19 | Tierrie | lol kidding dude |
| 07:35.23 | Tierrie | let us have our memories ;D |
| 07:35.27 | Thunder_Child | no! |
| 07:35.31 | Thunder_Child | i am an asshole |
| 07:35.59 | Tierrie | filled with shit and surrounded by ass? *pa dum pah!* |
| 07:36.06 | Thunder_Child | THOUT SHALL NOT REMINISCE |
| 07:36.08 | amro | rofl |
| 07:36.33 | Thunder_Child | yes Tierrie, but as at the moment you are around me.... |
| 07:36.35 | zenzio | thout? |
| 07:36.37 | Tierrie | i swear i just made that up and didn't have it written down somewhere where I could whip out that quit |
| 07:36.38 | Tierrie | quip |
| 07:36.49 | Thunder_Child | zenzio, cant spell worth crap |
| 07:37.01 | Thunder_Child | ~rimshot |
| 07:37.01 | purl | ba-dum CHH |
| 07:37.02 | Tierrie | again with the shit analogies |
| 07:37.04 | Corrodias | quest objects sparkle! |
| 07:37.08 | Tierrie | lol |
| 07:37.13 | Tierrie | kidding kidding ;) |
| 07:37.15 | Tierrie | time for wc3 |
| 07:37.17 | bleeter | Corrodias: no, that's your medication |
| 07:37.23 | art3mis | THOU SHALT NOT SPEELL GOODER TEHN THINDERCHILD! |
| 07:37.52 | Wobin | Where's the entrance to ZA? |
| 07:38.12 | Thunder_Child | ghostlands |
| 07:38.19 | Wobin | ta |
| 07:39.11 | Thunder_Child | "(23:37:40) (art3mis) THOU SHALT NOT SPEELL GOODER TEHN THINDERCHILD!" <-- i guess there is a reason i have taken english 4 times now |
| 07:39.51 | art3mis | i would have accepted: bekuz i'm lazee and no hablo englais as well |
| 07:40.29 | Thunder_Child | awkjldh wdawadwadlk dwaldawkd adwdal dg[vme fd'w |
| 07:40.45 | Thunder_Child | 3;321 wd- ad2ld 213@+ ?T864?1?4? {??????W |
| 07:41.02 | art3mis | ATHO+++ |
| 07:41.21 | art3mis | and depending on font thatll show up correctly ;) |
| 07:43.25 | Thunder_Child | hmm..interesting stuff http://www.oobject.com/category/best-keyboards/ |
| 07:47.00 | SP|Sorren | #10 looks neat |
| 07:47.24 | Thunder_Child | ya....i say 10 min and someone has it looking like LCARS |
| 07:47.42 | art3mis | At $1500 it is priced for industrial rather than consumer use, and yet it is aimed at consumers. We suspect that more people will talk about buying one than actually doing so. |
| 07:48.06 | art3mis | 7 and 10 are awesome |
| 07:48.16 | Tierrie | dude |
| 07:48.20 | Tierrie | if someone invented lcars keyboard |
| 07:48.22 | Tierrie | i'd buy it |
| 07:48.25 | Thunder_Child | so would i |
| 07:48.26 | Tierrie | and make love to it |
| 07:48.32 | art3mis | lcars? |
| 07:48.35 | Tierrie | and it'll be ok, because its lcars so its easy to clean |
| 07:48.43 | Thunder_Child | Library Computer Access and Retrieval System |
| 07:48.50 | Thunder_Child | In the Star Trek fictional universe, LCARS (an acronym for Library Computer Access and Retrieval System, pronounced "ELL cars"), is a computer operating system used on Federation starships. |
| 07:48.58 | art3mis | oh |
| 07:49.08 | Tierrie | basically if someone made a keyboard like the helm of Enterprise-D |
| 07:49.14 | Tierrie | just one flat black screen |
| 07:49.21 | Tierrie | like optimus maximus without the clicky |
| 07:49.23 | Tierrie | just tactile |
| 07:49.26 | art3mis | you mean a keyboard with some sliders and macro buttons? |
| 07:49.26 | krka | i thought you said lcars keyword first, and assumed it was some lisp joke :( |
| 07:49.44 | Tierrie | well it could be a real keyboard just changable when you need to type |
| 07:49.54 | Tierrie | and turns into something else when watching dvd or listening to music |
| 07:49.59 | Thunder_Child | you people are so used to Lua...LCARS /is/ an acronym |
| 07:50.01 | Tierrie | or just a huge "NEXT" button when viewing porn |
| 07:50.22 | Thunder_Child | and a volume slider |
| 07:50.39 | Tierrie | i meant pictuers |
| 07:50.51 | Tierrie | but for videos it would a Fast Forward and Alt-Tab button |
| 07:51.00 | Tierrie | FF would be a small button on the bottom right side of the LCAR |
| 07:51.06 | Tierrie | and Alt-Tab would be the rest of the LCARS |
| 07:51.21 | Thunder_Child | stop watching porn at work |
| 07:51.23 | Tierrie | someone would walk in |
| 07:51.26 | Tierrie | and they would be like |
| 07:51.37 | Tierrie | "are you jacking off to Lua?" |
| 07:52.35 | sag_ich_nicht | what |
| 07:52.35 | sag_ich_nicht | no |
| 07:52.39 | sag_ich_nicht | lua is disgusting |
| 07:52.40 | sag_ich_nicht | :( |
| 07:52.58 | art3mis | thats what she said |
| 07:53.02 | art3mis | woooOOOOOOooo |
| 07:53.06 | Thunder_Child | ty Tierrie for that hugely disturbing mental image |
| 07:53.57 | Corrodias | well, i'm up to level 5 and fully ready for a mount |
| 07:55.47 | art3mis | There are some people who consider the Color Classic to be the Quintessential Mac, just like there are some people who are slide rule enthusiasts. |
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| 07:57.05 | art3mis | http://www.oobject.com/category/3d-printed-products/ |
| 07:58.23 | Corrodias | color me amazed that questsfu, quartz, and chronometer all do not have quest timers |
| 07:59.33 | art3mis | http://www.oobject.com/category/top-supercomputers/ <-- is it wrong that i look at those and think my god server farms have gotten sexy |
| 08:01.54 | zenzio | nothing wrong about that |
| 08:02.07 | zenzio | SGI used to make pretty machines (still do?) |
| 08:10.24 | art3mis | the indy's and o2's |
| 08:10.29 | art3mis | so perty |
| 08:10.43 | Tierrie | SGI went bankrupt a few years ago |
| 08:10.47 | Tierrie | and haven't done anything since then |
| 08:10.56 | art3mis | im fairly certain they still make em, if noting else than to give ilm something to make graphics on |
| 08:11.01 | art3mis | really? |
| 08:11.05 | art3mis | thats too bad |
| 08:11.11 | Tierrie | finding out |
| 08:11.49 | Tierrie | apparantly it is still breaking records |
| 08:11.56 | Tierrie | and came out of bankruptcy in 2006 |
| 08:12.03 | Tierrie | too bad its still using MIPS |
| 08:12.18 | Tierrie | which is a superior system to RISC except everyone uses RISC |
| 08:12.19 | art3mis | hrm |
| 08:12.52 | art3mis | wonder what the absolute miminum partition size i can get away with for vista is |
| 08:12.58 | Tierrie | 8kb? |
| 08:13.00 | art3mis | 10? |
| 08:13.16 | Tierrie | small file allocation i guess? |
| 08:13.17 | art3mis | a vista install ya wierdo |
| 08:13.21 | Tierrie | oh |
| 08:13.35 | Tierrie | i thought you were doing some stupid crap where you were going to make a tiny ass partition just to see it happen |
| 08:13.35 | Tierrie | uh |
| 08:13.43 | Tierrie | well vista is an image |
| 08:13.44 | art3mis | laugh |
| 08:13.55 | Tierrie | so you will not get to opt out |
| 08:13.58 | Tierrie | so lots |
| 08:14.06 | art3mis | make 26 partitions all 8kb just cuz |
| 08:14.11 | Tierrie | lol yeah |
| 08:14.21 | Tierrie | I was thinking "art3mis is crazy but that IS an interesting question" |
| 08:14.31 | Tierrie | "i wonder if he will do it and tell me what it is" |
| 08:14.53 | art3mis | haha |
| 08:15.08 | art3mis | "why are you installing osx on your pc?" "uhhh cuz i can?" |
| 08:15.20 | Tierrie | OSX is really nice |
| 08:15.39 | art3mis | System Info: Model: Unknown "artemis-entreris". CPU: Dual i486 (unknown) @ 2.0 GHz. RAM: 2.0GB. OS X Version: 10.5.0 Boot Disk Size: 116550MB ( 114GB ). Used: 10%. Uptime: 2:23. User: 'art3mis'. Time: 3:15AM. Time zone: GMT -5. Load Averages (1min/5min/15min): { 0.89 0.99 0.90 }. Network Traffic: en0 error: Can’t make {«class bhit»:"OK"} into type Unicode text.;; Media Options: 55 MB in, 38 MB out.Cl |
| 08:15.52 | art3mis | ;) |
| 08:15.56 | Tierrie | well |
| 08:16.01 | Tierrie | OSX sucks and you should be ashamed |
| 08:16.06 | Tierrie | its ok though |
| 08:16.11 | Tierrie | everyone has secrets |
| 08:16.16 | Tierrie | some people do drugs, some people have sex for money |
| 08:16.18 | Tierrie | you use OS X |
| 08:16.19 | art3mis | dual i486's at 2g ;) |
| 08:16.55 | art3mis | actually i have 3 clients that use mac |
| 08:17.06 | art3mis | figured i may as well elarn it sorta instead of just faking it |
| 08:17.28 | Tierrie | women get away with it with you all the time! |
| 08:17.31 | Tierrie | ~rimshot |
| 08:17.31 | purl | ba-dum CHH |
| 08:17.43 | Tierrie | this chat is turning into Jay Leno |
| 08:17.52 | Tierrie | 's monologue |
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| 08:19.42 | art3mis | appearantly with windows XP my computer will be faster and more reliable |
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| 08:20.57 | Tierrie | well windows xp has gone through 2 sps |
| 08:21.02 | Tierrie | if you configure vista properly it is very stable |
| 08:21.05 | Tierrie | more so than xp |
| 08:21.18 | Tierrie | people are just used to being lazy bastards and have totally forgot about the tweaking days of 95 |
| 08:21.33 | art3mis | i suppose in comparrison to previous versions |
| 08:21.42 | Tierrie | back when it took a degree to keep an OS up for 7 days (not including linux) |
| 08:22.06 | Tierrie | really users these days are so spoilt by XP, all the reliable uptime tsk tsk |
| 08:22.18 | Tierrie | get vista, treat it well, and it will be fine |
| 08:22.34 | Tierrie | i haven't rebooted in days, it does annoy me that occasional patches still require a reboot but hey |
| 08:22.39 | Tierrie | those are the breaks |
| 08:23.25 | *** topic/#wowi-lounge by clad|sleep -> #wowi-lounge: Paste Code Here: http://wowi.pastey.net | 2.3.x ToC: 20300 | RTFPN please | WoWI Mod Uploader! http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12821| Patch Notes: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13386 | Happy Birthday Cogwheel! |
| 08:23.33 | SP|Sorren | o rly |
| 08:23.43 | Tierrie | orly? |
| 08:23.47 | Tierrie | hapy birthday cogwhell |
| 08:23.54 | Tierrie | I meant |
| 08:23.59 | Tierrie | Happy Birthday Cogwheel! |
| 08:24.13 | SP|Sorren | is he even on? |
| 08:25.52 | art3mis | so think i cang et away witha 10gig vista install? |
| 08:26.13 | Tierrie | no art3mis |
| 08:26.15 | Tierrie | i doubt it |
| 08:26.23 | Tierrie | you won't have space to install anything |
| 08:26.55 | zenzio | so... |
| 08:26.59 | zenzio | the cogwheel of time is turning |
| 08:28.20 | Tierrie | http://www.prankplace.com/images/tshirts/bt/gangster_big.jpg |
| 08:34.16 | SP|Sorren | is there a way to move that VoiceChatTalkers box on the minimap? it's really annoying :/ |
| 08:58.50 | art3mis | wow |
| 08:59.00 | art3mis | warcraft plays AWESOME on my mac install |
| 08:59.07 | art3mis | kinna spooky |
| 08:59.39 | art3mis | wonder why they just dont make a native nix install .. |
| 08:59.47 | art3mis | or at least freebsd ;P |
| 09:00.07 | art3mis | oh and tierrier, 10gig is enough to install vista 64 business ;P |
| 09:13.33 | art3mis | good god 695 mb for 2.3 from base tbc install |
| 09:14.19 | art3mis | im surprised they havent started marketing the WoW OS that just boots into the game and has email and web browsing as options along with im |
| 09:14.32 | art3mis | kind of like the .//hack interface for ps2 ;) |
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| 09:20.33 | SP|Sorren | god i must get the stormchops recipe |
| 09:20.37 | SP|Sorren | i used to have so many lightning eels :/ |
| 09:20.53 | SP|Sorren | i fed them all to my pet cat, lol |
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| 09:30.11 | art3mis | im william shatner and im a tauren shaman ;P |
| 09:32.29 | Xuerian | Night Elf Mohawk |
| 09:32.33 | Xuerian | ftw. |
| 09:32.48 | Xuerian | SP|Sorren: Mods like SimpleMinimap do that |
| 09:32.59 | art3mis | mr.t doesnt play orc cuz it's too close to his real appearaance ;P |
| 09:33.03 | SP|Sorren | i cant find the option for it |
| 09:33.12 | Xuerian | SP|Sorren: Show/hide: Voice chat |
| 09:33.18 | Xuerian | I think? |
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| 09:33.25 | SP|Sorren | that just hides the button |
| 09:33.32 | SP|Sorren | it doesnt hide the thing when you mouseover the minimap |
| 09:33.38 | Xuerian | That's weird |
| 09:33.39 | SP|Sorren | and blocks your tracking dots |
| 09:33.39 | Xuerian | it should |
| 09:33.49 | SP|Sorren | well it didnt for me :< |
| 09:33.57 | Xuerian | ur spekshul |
| 09:34.10 | SP|Sorren | thats what mommy always said. |
| 09:34.15 | Xuerian | XD |
| 09:34.41 | Xuerian | sorry =x. duno what if not that. I use smm and it hides it all just fine = |
| 09:34.42 | Xuerian | =\ |
| 09:34.50 | SP|Sorren | i dunno |
| 09:34.54 | SP|Sorren | i turned voice chat back off |
| 09:34.58 | SP|Sorren | was just doign a little experiment |
| 09:35.06 | SP|Sorren | and its gone -.-; |
| 09:35.24 | art3mis | try minibuttonbag or rico's minimap |
| 09:35.29 | art3mis | shrug |
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| 09:36.45 | art3mis | bah thats so sad that the mac client under hackintosh performs better than my winders client does |
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| 09:44.46 | bleeter | ~fail winders |
| 09:44.47 | purl | winders: Fail. |
| 09:45.54 | art3mis | appearantly so |
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| 10:12.22 | Nom- | weeee |
| 10:12.31 | Nom- | Bulk data conversions ftw |
| 10:12.59 | Nom- | Converting 5 years of reporting data from one format to another |
| 10:13.06 | Nom- | Has to be done before Midnight :P |
| 10:23.00 | cladhaire | matt1s: Someone told you there was a var_dump the other day, using DevTools. |
| 10:23.14 | cladhaire | you have to write one, there isn't one native to the language, since any sort of serialization ends up having custom needs |
| 10:25.37 | matt1s | cladhaire: mhm ok, I didn't try out DevTools, but I got it in my addons. I'll check it out when I get home again |
| 10:25.53 | cladhaire | just type /dump var_name |
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| 10:29.57 | dispel | hey |
| 10:31.14 | cladhaire | hi |
| 10:31.36 | dispel | any one here play on frostmourne? |
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| 10:35.34 | art3mis | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html;jsessionid=27921CC8F300C76F415B775C44ECBC10?topicId=2967995537&sid=1 |
| 10:35.59 | art3mis | let's keep that right below the stickies all day |
| 10:43.31 | cladhaire | neg |
| 10:43.35 | cladhaire | the addon piracy thread winds. |
| 10:43.37 | cladhaire | -d |
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| 10:43.49 | cladhaire | ZOMG |
| 10:43.52 | cladhaire | its on the second page!! |
| 10:44.18 | SP|Sorren | it died to philosophical discussion |
| 10:44.41 | cladhaire | heh |
| 10:45.13 | SP|Sorren | i stand by my final post! kek |
| 10:51.47 | cladhaire | there, that's the response i meant to post last night. |
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| 10:55.11 | SP|Sorren | QQ, im such a deadbeat author |
| 10:55.17 | SP|Sorren | im so slow to update wowi and curse :< |
| 10:57.05 | art3mis | yeah |
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| 11:01.50 | cladhaire | :P |
| 11:08.28 | cladhaire | hrm |
| 11:08.33 | cladhaire | the following quests don't have levels on wowhead |
| 11:08.33 | cladhaire | http://cladhaire.pastey.net/77747 |
| 11:08.43 | cladhaire | but they have to have levels in game |
| 11:08.57 | cladhaire | not sure how to manage them |
| 11:09.21 | cladhaire | maybe have a fallback for the level? =/ |
| 11:11.49 | art3mis | have a catchall? |
| 11:11.55 | art3mis | or just hardcode em? |
| 11:12.02 | cladhaire | i dont know their levels |
| 11:12.03 | cladhaire | and the game does |
| 11:12.14 | cladhaire | so i have to have a fallback where if the data isn't found, it looks in the "stupid" pool |
| 11:12.17 | cladhaire | but i'm not even sure where to put that. |
| 11:12.20 | cladhaire | i.e. in which data file. |
| 11:13.42 | art3mis | those are all class level based |
| 11:14.06 | cladhaire | what do you mean? |
| 11:14.13 | cladhaire | why would the PvP ones be class level based? |
| 11:14.21 | cladhaire | and what does class level based mean? :P |
| 11:14.23 | art3mis | well all the call of XXXX are shaman |
| 11:14.34 | art3mis | at 20 30 40 50 yadda yadda |
| 11:14.37 | cladhaire | Call to Arms: Arathi Basin is not shaman :P |
| 11:14.44 | art3mis | the alterac ones are level 60 i believe |
| 11:14.50 | Mike-N-Go | Note to self: Make sure the CD on the slow fall cloak is up before you drop from maxium elevation.. |
| 11:14.57 | art3mis | arathi is 40 or 50 |
| 11:15.24 | cladhaire | but WSG is every 10 levels |
| 11:15.27 | art3mis | if i remember right the BG ones are "chained" in that you talk to someone who sends you there |
| 11:15.39 | cladhaire | since the XP/Honor reward changes for each bracket |
| 11:15.39 | art3mis | but you can do them at any level |
| 11:15.45 | cladhaire | they're dalies. |
| 11:15.46 | art3mis | as long as you can get in there |
| 11:15.53 | art3mis | oh that i didnt know |
| 11:15.57 | cladhaire | yes.. but i need to know what the level of the actual quest in the game is |
| 11:16.02 | cladhaire | this isn't just a Fill it in and gues |
| 11:16.07 | cladhaire | it needs to be determinisitic |
| 11:16.34 | art3mis | well the calls are shaman's level 20 30 40 quests |
| 11:16.42 | art3mis | that much i know |
| 11:16.53 | cladhaire | yes, but i need to know what the API returns for them |
| 11:16.56 | cladhaire | i can't just guess. |
| 11:17.04 | art3mis | oooooohhhh |
| 11:17.17 | cladhaire | the first step in Call of Fire returns 10 |
| 11:17.18 | art3mis | i thought you were just talking about filling ind ata for liughtheaded |
| 11:17.21 | cladhaire | but the second one, I have no idea, cause its not on wowhead |
| 11:17.26 | cladhaire | well i am filling in data for lightheaded |
| 11:17.28 | cladhaire | but the key is title/level |
| 11:17.33 | cladhaire | so i need both, based on the API returns |
| 11:18.12 | art3mis | dunno then |
| 11:18.21 | art3mis | i was just suggesting hardcoding em |
| 11:18.28 | cladhaire | yeah i can't really do that easily |
| 11:19.01 | art3mis | you could have a catcher for Class based and Repeatables |
| 11:19.37 | cladhaire | yeah it really doesn't work like that |
| 11:19.40 | cladhaire | Call of Fire in particular |
| 11:19.47 | cladhaire | that one i can hardcode |
| 11:19.48 | art3mis | and the darkmoon faire one |
| 11:19.51 | cladhaire | but this is a relatively nasty problem. |
| 11:19.54 | art3mis | thats level 1 |
| 11:20.05 | cladhaire | do you know that? |
| 11:20.07 | cladhaire | for a fact |
| 11:20.08 | art3mis | yup |
| 11:20.11 | cladhaire | that the API returns level 1 |
| 11:20.25 | art3mis | run a level 1 to any major city on the side it spawns |
| 11:20.30 | cladhaire | that's not the point |
| 11:20.32 | cladhaire | i need what the API returns |
| 11:20.33 | art3mis | and itll be available |
| 11:20.35 | cladhaire | guesswork doesn't matter |
| 11:20.48 | cladhaire | "available" doesn't make a difference. |
| 11:20.48 | art3mis | although i suppose it could be a level 0 |
| 11:20.59 | cladhaire | it could also be a level 10 quest |
| 11:21.08 | cladhaire | required level is different from the level of the quest |
| 11:21.27 | art3mis | yes but it wont be available to a level 1 if its level 10 |
| 11:21.34 | cladhaire | and frequently there are multiple qids for a single quest, so different brackets all get the correct coloring in the quest log. |
| 11:21.38 | cladhaire | art3mis: not true. |
| 11:21.42 | cladhaire | required level is DIFFERENT from quest level. |
| 11:21.45 | cladhaire | completely different numbers. |
| 11:21.56 | art3mis | as far as api goes i guess |
| 11:21.57 | cladhaire | lots of quests are req level 58, but have a qlevel of 60 |
| 11:22.03 | cladhaire | well that's all we're talking about :P |
| 11:22.20 | art3mis | well YOU are im just talking and being a sounding board ;P |
| 11:22.29 | cladhaire | well i'm only asking about the AP |
| 11:22.30 | cladhaire | API |
| 11:22.34 | cladhaire | cause its all that matters :P |
| 11:23.11 | art3mis | i'd ask yer blizz coder why they dont |
| 11:23.22 | art3mis | slouken? |
| 11:23.40 | cladhaire | why they don't what? |
| 11:23.50 | art3mis | have a callable level? |
| 11:23.53 | cladhaire | they do |
| 11:23.55 | cladhaire | ... |
| 11:23.57 | cladhaire | wowhead doesn't have it |
| 11:24.01 | cladhaire | that's the entire problem. |
| 11:24.05 | art3mis | oooooooohhhhhh |
| 11:24.10 | art3mis | see thats the aprt i missed |
| 11:24.13 | cladhaire | EVERY single quest in the game returns a level. |
| 11:24.28 | cladhaire | they have to, its used to color the quest difficulty in the quest log. |
| 11:24.35 | art3mis | so you'd need some way to call the data from wowhead? |
| 11:24.51 | art3mis | but the way you're doing it wouldnt match wowhead because they dont have complete info? |
| 11:25.21 | cladhaire | the only way i can key a quest is based on qtitle/qlevel |
| 11:25.42 | cladhaire | which means for any given qid i need the qlevel in order to build data files |
| 11:26.27 | cladhaire | this is why i'm stuck :P |
| 11:26.38 | cladhaire | i can probably manage for some of these |
| 11:26.49 | cladhaire | like the class quests, since the series quest before, and after both have levels |
| 11:27.23 | art3mis | sicne its a small amount could you just call the qid and store em all in a catchall? or are there duplicate qids around just with different levels? |
| 11:27.44 | cladhaire | "call teh qid" |
| 11:27.46 | cladhaire | what does that mean? |
| 11:27.46 | art3mis | it looks like ALL the shaman class and hunter class and 2 rogue class and 1 lock are there |
| 11:27.55 | art3mis | name match it |
| 11:28.13 | art3mis | or quest_id match it |
| 11:28.21 | cladhaire | you have me confused now. |
| 11:28.40 | art3mis | well lets say quest call of fire has a quest_id(like a guid) for 000048 |
| 11:28.45 | art3mis | or does it not work that way |
| 11:28.50 | cladhaire | there is no qid in game |
| 11:28.54 | art3mis | oh |
| 11:28.55 | cladhaire | all i have is qname and qlevel. |
| 11:29.00 | cladhaire | hence why i have to key things this way |
| 11:29.00 | cladhaire | :P |
| 11:29.19 | art3mis | name match then? |
| 11:29.47 | art3mis | call of fire is the first shaman one i believe as an example |
| 11:30.07 | cladhaire | its just hacky and unfortunate. |
| 11:30.08 | art3mis | which would allow you to fill in the rest? |
| 11:30.23 | cladhaire | not really, cause then i'd have to decide what data file the stuff shoudl be stored in |
| 11:30.25 | cladhaire | when generating |
| 11:30.27 | cladhaire | which is nasty enough |
| 11:30.34 | art3mis | oh |
| 11:30.34 | cladhaire | let alone the hacky try/catch in game :P |
| 11:30.38 | cladhaire | blizzard needs to give me qids |
| 11:30.40 | cladhaire | that would help. |
| 11:30.41 | art3mis | well have fun im gonna go to sleep! |
| 11:30.44 | cladhaire | lolok |
| 11:30.46 | cladhaire | thanks. |
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| 11:38.58 | bleeter | Wobin: 2 more sleeps |
| 11:39.34 | Wobin | hm |
| 11:39.41 | Wobin | I'm going to have to find out where the hell the voting place is here |
| 11:42.58 | bleeter | Wobin: http://www.aec.gov.au/polling_place_locator/index.htm |
| 11:43.10 | Wobin | oh ta |
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| 12:08.19 | Cairenn|afk | (5:55:11 AM) SP|Sorren: QQ, im such a deadbeat author |
| 12:08.19 | Cairenn|afk | (5:55:17 AM) SP|Sorren: im so slow to update wowi and curse :< |
| 12:08.20 | Cairenn|afk | SP|Sorren: you know about the uploader app for wowi, right? |
| 12:08.20 | Cairenn|afk | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7633-WoWIModUploader.html |
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| 14:23.52 | JoshBorke | morning |
| 14:24.12 | malreth | RAR! |
| 14:24.19 | malreth | fill me with coffee |
| 14:24.45 | malreth | aaah! my thermos is leaking! |
| 14:25.21 | Lunessa | Coffee disappoints me on many levels - it NEVER tastes as good as it smells. |
| 14:25.26 | JoshBorke | don't drink coffee, sorry |
| 14:25.52 | Lunessa | I get my caffeine the old fashioned way - I drink COLA. |
| 14:25.59 | malreth | i make my coffee in a non-paper-filter vacuum pot |
| 14:26.25 | malreth | http://baharris.org/coffee/Brewing.htm |
| 14:27.05 | malreth | that ensures the water gets to the perfect temp and the grounds steep for exactly three and a half minutes |
| 14:27.26 | JoshBorke | Lunessa: careful of the aspartame |
| 14:27.35 | malreth | i r serious coffee drinker |
| 14:28.08 | Lunessa | JoshBorke: I'm allergic to that. I drink only the stuff made with SUGAR or High Fructose Corn Syrup. (The sweet, sweet devil.) |
| 14:28.36 | JoshBorke | Lunessa: i'm sorry to hera that you are allergic to aspartame |
| 14:28.44 | JoshBorke | how'd you find out? |
| 14:28.48 | Lunessa | malreth: coffee is srs business |
| 14:28.55 | Lunessa | JoshBorke: The hard way. |
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| 14:29.37 | nevcairiel | I drink the original coke with sugar just because it tastes better |
| 14:29.39 | nevcairiel | *shrug |
| 14:30.31 | Lunessa | In the 1980s it went into a HUGE number of foods/drinks. I began developing blinding headaches, nosebleeds and various other symptoms. It mystified my doctors until we eliminated "nutrasweet" from my diet, then all was well again. |
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| 14:31.16 | Lunessa | I had to give up my favorite chewing gum because they switched the recipe to include aspartame - apparently it's cheaper than sugar. |
| 14:34.58 | Lukian | how do I delay something in lua by x amount of time (ie. 2 seconds) |
| 14:35.31 | malreth | Lukian: you're probably going about it the wrong way |
| 14:35.37 | nevcairiel | directly, you cant. you need to setup a simple timer based on OnUpdate, or use a timer lib |
| 14:35.41 | malreth | what are you actually trying to accomplish? |
| 14:36.09 | Lukian | delay a send to partychat to wait to see if another player sends the same data |
| 14:36.26 | malreth | ok |
| 14:36.34 | malreth | yeah, do what nev said |
| 14:40.44 | Kaso | Anyone know how i can get netcat to automatically restart after the remote end closes the connection |
| 14:40.55 | [dRaCo] | does using a healing pot trigger the gcd? |
| 14:41.06 | Kaso | no [dRaCo] |
| 14:41.08 | [dRaCo] | thanks |
| 14:41.38 | Kaso | it triggers cooldown on all other useable items though, trinkets etc included (i think) |
| 14:42.04 | JoshBorke | a healing pot? |
| 14:42.19 | JoshBorke | oh, gcd on other usable items |
| 14:42.20 | JoshBorke | right |
| 14:43.38 | [dRaCo] | yeah, but a macro like /cancelform /use Heal Pot /stopcasting /cast Bear Form should work, shouldnt it? |
| 14:43.58 | malreth | you don't need the /stopcasting |
| 14:44.00 | JoshBorke | yes |
| 14:44.05 | JoshBorke | to both statements |
| 14:44.14 | [dRaCo] | tried it w/o, didnt work |
| 14:44.46 | Kaso | I saw a video on youtube of someone doing a similar thing |
| 14:46.38 | [dRaCo] | oh, nvm... my druid didnt replace my pseudo code stuff |
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| 15:09.18 | malreth | cladhaire: why do you hate us? |
| 15:09.23 | Kemayo | Corrodias: There's just so few timed quests that it's not a compelling feature. |
| 15:10.58 | cladhaire | malreth: why not? |
| 15:11.01 | cladhaire | what did i do now? |
| 15:11.16 | Tain | You don't bring me flowers anymore. |
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| 15:28.35 | Industrial | Lupo: Boys there is plenty of backdoor access for everyone |
| 15:28.36 | Industrial | hahaha |
| 15:28.44 | Industrial | that scene is the best :D |
| 15:29.25 | Intangir | lol |
| 15:29.28 | Intangir | cladhaire: you monster |
| 15:29.34 | Intangir | i saw what you did to melreth |
| 15:29.44 | MoonWolf | what did he do ? |
| 15:29.47 | Intangir | im just playing ;) |
| 15:29.59 | melreth | *snort* |
| 15:30.18 | Intangir | lets all hate melreth |
| 15:30.20 | Intangir | grrr |
| 15:30.44 | melreth | it's high school all over again... *weep* |
| 15:31.11 | MoonWolf | you will like what happend in high school when you are 80 |
| 15:31.12 | Intangir | this damn gold farm keeps messaging me on irc |
| 15:31.13 | Intangir | every day |
| 15:31.17 | Intangir | i dont know . i mean aim |
| 15:31.20 | Intangir | i dont know how they got my aim |
| 15:31.25 | Intangir | or what makes them think i will help them in anyway |
| 15:31.48 | Intangir | its been like 3 weeks |
| 15:31.51 | Intangir | messages me every day |
| 15:32.03 | MoonWolf | block them ? |
| 15:32.06 | Intangir | and ive only talked to him one time to figure out why the fuck they keep messaging me |
| 15:32.26 | Intangir | i put them on block but it keeps saying 'blocked user angie is trying to send you a message: 'hello?' |
| 15:32.30 | Intangir | lol |
| 15:32.44 | Intangir | not sure what good blocking does with this client, still tells me what they are sayin |
| 15:32.50 | melreth | that kinda makes the block feature useless |
| 15:32.54 | Intangir | ya |
| 15:33.05 | MoonWolf | lol |
| 15:33.13 | MoonWolf | kk, this blocked person is telling you |
| 15:33.20 | MoonWolf | things |
| 15:33.42 | Intangir | he tells me to burn things |
| 15:33.46 | Intangir | lol j/k |
| 15:33.52 | MoonWolf | if i block people on msn, they don't even know i'm online anymore |
| 15:33.56 | MoonWolf | thats called blocking. |
| 15:34.58 | Intangir | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4929586212627614448 |
| 15:35.01 | Intangir | i have one of these |
| 15:35.09 | Intangir | its worth 350 dollars now |
| 15:35.12 | Intangir | 1 20 dollar coin |
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| 15:36.26 | cladhaire | anyone know how to re-play the opening cinematic for a race? |
| 15:37.25 | MoonWolf | no |
| 15:37.31 | MoonWolf | might require some server events |
| 15:37.57 | malreth | hmm... |
| 15:39.37 | zenzelezz | OpeningCinematic() - Shows the opening movie for a player's race |
| 15:39.53 | zenzelezz | says the wiki |
| 15:39.56 | Intangir | what? |
| 15:40.03 | Intangir | isnt it a scripted path? |
| 15:40.10 | Intangir | with scripted sound, its not a cinimatic |
| 15:40.30 | zenzelezz | it's a movie |
| 15:40.32 | Intangir | it ends with you in the starting point for your race |
| 15:40.34 | zenzelezz | I think |
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| 15:40.43 | Intangir | it shows actual players that are actually logged in during the panning |
| 15:40.46 | Intangir | its not a movie.. |
| 15:40.48 | malreth | it's not a movie |
| 15:41.00 | Intangir | its real time rendered and all |
| 15:41.17 | malreth | Intangir is right. you can see other logged in players running around, dancing nekkid, dying to wolves, etc... |
| 15:41.19 | Intangir | id be surprised if you could replay it at any point |
| 15:41.28 | Intangir | lol dying to wolves ;) |
| 15:41.31 | Intangir | its funny cause its true ;) |
| 15:41.39 | zenzelezz | ah, no, I was thinking of the WoW intros, those are files |
| 15:41.49 | Intangir | not sure i know which ones you mean then |
| 15:41.52 | zenzelezz | but even so, the wiki still claims that function starts the cinematic |
| 15:41.53 | malreth | it's really a great way to be introduced to the game since it's so true to life |
| 15:42.12 | Intangir | !IM DANCING NEKKED! oh SHIT a wolf! |
| 15:42.20 | Intangir | im a naked corpse! |
| 15:42.23 | Codayus | Happens to me IRL all the time. |
| 15:42.37 | Intangir | ya its like everytime i strip down to take a shower wolves come out of the woodwork to attack me |
| 15:42.45 | Intangir | i gotta beat them down with my .3 dps club |
| 15:43.05 | malreth | well, only one way to find out what it does |
| 15:43.12 | Intangir | zenzelezz: ya call it |
| 15:43.14 | Intangir | im curious now |
| 15:43.14 | Codayus | Yar |
| 15:43.15 | malreth | someone log in and /script OpeningCinematic() |
| 15:43.22 | Codayus | Logging in is too much effort. |
| 15:43.39 | malreth | Intangir: go do it... i command it. |
| 15:43.44 | Intangir | im at work |
| 15:43.50 | Intangir | no wow |
| 15:43.54 | malreth | bah |
| 15:44.12 | Intangir | i spent 1200 gold raising my engineering to 375 (from like 360) |
| 15:44.22 | Codayus | Ouch |
| 15:44.23 | Intangir | dont have enough gold left to build a flying machine |
| 15:44.25 | malreth | that's just like real life |
| 15:44.35 | Intangir | except i dont have 1200 in gold |
| 15:44.48 | Intangir | holy shit, 1200 gold coins would be.. |
| 15:45.00 | Codayus | A...not entirely sane friend of mine just bought 0.5 kilo of gold. |
| 15:45.01 | Intangir | 960000 |
| 15:45.12 | Intangir | he sounds pretty smart to me |
| 15:45.16 | Codayus | His theory is the world economy is going to collapse soon. |
| 15:45.20 | Intangir | oh i agree |
| 15:45.24 | Intangir | ive bought alot of silver |
| 15:45.26 | Intangir | just not gold ;) |
| 15:45.45 | Intangir | the US economy could very likely crash soon |
| 15:45.49 | Intangir | its even planned on |
| 15:45.53 | Intangir | they want to move us onto the amero |
| 15:46.16 | Intangir | the federal reserve chairmen are literally bad mouthing the dollar to purposely trash it |
| 15:47.01 | Intangir | your buddy is wise, cause gold just dipped a bit, but it will be over 1000 in a couple months most likely |
| 15:47.15 | Intangir | if i had more money i wouldve also bought more gold, but just not in kilos ;) |
| 15:47.43 | Intangir | oh ya gold is already going back up now |
| 15:47.48 | Intangir | it will be back over 800 today |
| 15:47.54 | Intangir | gone up over 30 dollars an ounce in 2 days |
| 15:48.35 | Intangir | i bought a ron paul silver dollar for 24 bucks |
| 15:48.41 | Intangir | its worth 350 dollars now ;) |
| 15:48.58 | Intangir | thanks to the fbi stealing all their supply.. |
| 15:49.01 | Intangir | its instantly a rare coin |
| 15:49.20 | Intangir | fbi just raided them, for no reason, theyve been declared legal twice, theyve been tried in court twice, and won twice |
| 15:49.26 | Intangir | and fbi just steals all their gold and silver anyway |
| 15:49.28 | Intangir | with no charges |
| 15:49.29 | Intangir | no arrests |
| 15:49.32 | Intangir | thats completely illegal |
| 15:49.59 | Lunessa | ... /tinfoil hat |
| 15:50.32 | Codayus | Hmm. |
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| 15:52.04 | Intangir | its funny in another channel i got people saying 'if you dont buy gold right now, your crazy' |
| 15:52.11 | Codayus | The odd thing is, you don't sound as nuts as my friend who bought the 0.5 kilo of gold. In his defense, he IS Russian. It's something about the winters there, I think... |
| 15:52.13 | Intangir | and here im getting tinfoil comments for talking about buying it ;) |
| 15:52.34 | Intangir | i only posted the link |
| 15:53.02 | Intangir | gold has been a safe store of value for like.. what? since before recorded history |
| 15:53.22 | malreth | no |
| 15:53.24 | Intangir | in the roman empire, 1 oz of gold would about cover a nice toga, a nice pair of shoes, and a nice belt |
| 15:53.28 | malreth | you're thinking about salt |
| 15:53.31 | Intangir | today, 1 oz of gold will buy you a nice suit |
| 15:53.33 | Intangir | a nice pair of shoes |
| 15:53.35 | Intangir | and a nice belt ;) |
| 15:53.58 | Codayus | *sigh* |
| 15:54.04 | Codayus | 1) Gold is a disease |
| 15:54.06 | malreth | hence why the term 'salary' contains the root 'sal' for salt |
| 15:54.08 | Codayus | 2) Spanish empire |
| 15:54.24 | malreth | i'm buying a truckload of salt |
| 15:54.30 | Intangir | malreth: good thinking |
| 15:54.48 | Intangir | malreth: dont buy a truckload of sugar ;) bees will steal it ;) |
| 15:54.56 | malreth | since it's cheaper than gold, i can buy more of it now and that'll mean i'm richer after the crash |
| 15:55.22 | Codayus | (See also: The price-specie-flow mechanism.) |
| 15:55.27 | Intangir | ya i wonder how many pounds of salt you could buy for like 80000 dollars |
| 15:55.31 | Intangir | compared to in gold |
| 15:57.44 | Intangir | i wonder why monsters running around all over the world have gold and silver ;) |
| 15:57.48 | Intangir | i mean, where do they get this? |
| 15:58.17 | MoonWolf | Intangir, the soil has a really high amount of gold and silver in it. |
| 15:58.20 | Intangir | lol |
| 15:58.25 | MoonWolf | it travels up the foodchain through plants. |
| 15:58.28 | Intangir | and its already in coin form ;) |
| 15:58.36 | MoonWolf | yes! |
| 15:58.40 | Intangir | sweet |
| 15:59.28 | Lunessa | Buy gold. I have no problem with that. Rants about people being arrested for buying/owning gold with no evidence to support them get /tinfoil hat comments. |
| 15:59.55 | Intangir | whys that? |
| 16:00.08 | Intangir | what part of that do you have a problem with? |
| 16:00.13 | Intangir | you think the government is allowed to do it? |
| 16:00.19 | Intangir | or you dont believe it happened? |
| 16:00.47 | Lunessa | No, I think you make claims like this on the internet and it sounds insane. Provide evidence, or you're just a conspiracy nutter. |
| 16:01.01 | Intangir | i posted the link before we even started this topic |
| 16:01.09 | Intangir | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4929586212627614448 |
| 16:01.20 | Intangir | its been all over the internet for over a week |
| 16:01.20 | malreth | the fact that the guy is in the business of selling something and then going on national tv crowing about how his product is now extremely limited causing the demand to go up |
| 16:01.36 | Intangir | no the guy did get raided |
| 16:01.43 | malreth | i bet he did |
| 16:01.43 | Intangir | its verified, ive seen a dozen mainstream news reports of this |
| 16:02.07 | malreth | lots of people saying the same thing doesn't necessarily make it true |
| 16:02.08 | malreth | but |
| 16:02.17 | malreth | i would look at it with a skeptical eye |
| 16:02.17 | Intangir | dude. its TRUE, period, beyond any doubt |
| 16:02.24 | malreth | *why* did he get raided |
| 16:02.27 | malreth | and who stands to benefit |
| 16:02.39 | Intangir | 83million dollars in gold and silver is a pretty good motivator for theft |
| 16:03.01 | Intangir | who do you think stands to benefit, the federal reserve just stole from a strong competitor, stole REAL wealth from them |
| 16:03.02 | Industrial | create a new char? :P |
| 16:03.13 | Industrial | wooops haven't scrolled down nm that |
| 16:03.18 | Intangir | this guy has NO money now, he doesnt benefit from the sudden rare status of his coins |
| 16:03.21 | Intangir | he doesnt own any anymore |
| 16:03.22 | Lunessa | He's issuing currency. That's a power governments reserve for themselves. |
| 16:03.37 | Intangir | thats a power the government already doesnt excersize |
| 16:03.42 | Intangir | the federal reserve is NOT a government organization |
| 16:03.46 | Intangir | its a cartel of private banks |
| 16:03.54 | Lunessa | *sigh* |
| 16:03.55 | malreth | strawman arguments there... |
| 16:03.58 | Intangir | which unconstitionally prints our money |
| 16:04.00 | Intangir | look it up |
| 16:04.04 | zenzelezz | oh my, I think I know where this is going |
| 16:04.10 | zenzelezz | "zomg china" /part |
| 16:04.28 | Codayus | Intangir: Okay, I thought the /tinfoil hat comment earlier was a little out of line. You've wandered off the deep end now. |
| 16:04.34 | Intangir | dude.. |
| 16:04.42 | Intangir | are you guys that fucking stupid? im serious, its admitted |
| 16:04.54 | Intangir | how can you be so ignorant about COMPLETELY 100% KNOWN verified admited not even HIDDEN stuff |
| 16:04.58 | Intangir | this is economics 101 type shit here |
| 16:05.13 | Intangir | you goto any college course in the US and when they talk about the federal reserve, this is exactly what they will say |
| 16:05.17 | Intangir | none of you have even been to college or what? |
| 16:05.17 | zenzelezz | maybe we just like winding you up |
| 16:05.18 | Codayus | That the federal reserve is unconstitutional? *sigh* |
| 16:05.19 | malreth | no, we're not 'fucking' stupid... we're just Americans which means we're fucking lazy and apathetic so we don't give a shit |
| 16:05.22 | Intangir | community college will tell you that |
| 16:05.34 | Codayus | BTW, I have a *MASTERS* in finance from a US university. Just sayin'... |
| 16:05.34 | Intangir | the constition says ONLY CONGRESS CANT MINT MONEY, and it will be GOLD AND SILVER |
| 16:05.38 | Intangir | ONLY |
| 16:05.53 | Intangir | a private bank making money and LOANING IT at interest to the government is something the founding fathers went out of their way to prevent |
| 16:06.00 | Intangir | andrew jackson fought against it his whole life |
| 16:06.09 | Intangir | he put on his tomb stone 'i killed the central bank' |
| 16:06.11 | malreth | this liberty dollar guy is a business man... all of this hoopla is free publicity for him. |
| 16:06.35 | Intangir | malreth: ya it will benefit him if he gets his money back, otherwise hes out of luck |
| 16:06.43 | Intangir | he cant sell what he doesnt have |
| 16:06.49 | Intangir | he needs the press converage for protection |
| 16:06.56 | Intangir | against this illegal attack on his prosperity |
| 16:07.16 | Intangir | its illegal to sieze someones assets without charging them or arresting someone |
| 16:07.34 | Intangir | they wont even say that its a part of an investigation |
| 16:07.41 | malreth | uh huh |
| 16:07.58 | malreth | he probably orchestrated the whole thing |
| 16:08.08 | Intangir | ya thats right blame the victum |
| 16:08.15 | malreth | no... |
| 16:08.18 | Intangir | youd fit right in in sauda arabia where they stone rape victums to death |
| 16:08.23 | Intangir | she problably orchestrated it |
| 16:08.25 | malreth | he probably planned the whole thing out |
| 16:08.48 | malreth | got on the phone, called up a few of his friends |
| 16:08.53 | Intangir | thats the most retarded thing ive ever heard.. |
| 16:08.56 | malreth | hey, guys... need to you do a favor |
| 16:09.17 | Intangir | uh just incapable of looking in the general direction of the problem |
| 16:09.18 | Codayus | Intangir: No, it's not illegal to sieze property without arresting them. You might wish it was, but it's not. |
| 16:09.21 | malreth | drive some of your fed vehicles up, take some of this stuff for a few weeks |
| 16:09.25 | Intangir | Codayus: ya it is |
| 16:09.59 | Lunessa | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Reserve |
| 16:09.59 | Intangir | i looked it up, its mentioned in one of the amendment of the constition and reinterated in several laws |
| 16:10.00 | malreth | i'll get on MSNBC and shit and drum up some extra business for my glorified coin collecting business |
| 16:10.13 | malreth | thanks, --click-- |
| 16:10.27 | Codayus | Forfeiture laws. Sorry. You fail. And what the constitution APPEARS to say - to you - doesn't matter. It's been upheld in court thousands of times. |
| 16:10.27 | Intangir | Lunessa: go get a phone book |
| 16:10.35 | Intangir | look in the white pages under federal reserve banks |
| 16:10.43 | Intangir | its not in the government pages, its in the white pages |
| 16:10.43 | Codayus | http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-179es.html |
| 16:10.48 | Intangir | its a group of private companies |
| 16:11.18 | malreth | you're the crazy one... bring up rape as if it's even a comparable argument |
| 16:11.35 | Intangir | just cause the constution is ignored doesnt mean it doesnt matter.. people take oaths to uphold the document, just cause they lie and piss on it doesnt make it right |
| 16:11.40 | Codayus | You quote the constitution, but the constitution establishes a balance of powers which leaves interpretation up to the courts, and the courts have ruled against your interpretation. So...you fail. |
| 16:12.04 | Lunessa | "The Federal Reserve System was created via the Federal Reserve Act of December 23rd, 1913.[14] The Reserve Banks opened for business on November 16th, 1914. Federal Reserve Notes were created as part of the legislation, to provide a supply of currency. The notes were to be issued to the Reserve Banks for subsequent transmittal to banking institutions. The various components of the Federal Reserve System have differing legal statuses." |
| 16:12.06 | Intangir | so you think its ok for government to steal your shit for no reason |
| 16:12.11 | malreth | sure! |
| 16:12.13 | malreth | it's great |
| 16:12.38 | malreth | if i didn't think it was ok, i wouldn't have voted for those government people |
| 16:12.40 | Lunessa | I forgot how much I enjoyed Mal's sarcasm and sense of wicked fun. |
| 16:12.41 | Intangir | Lunessa: whats your point, that doesnt say its a government organization |
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| 16:13.05 | Codayus | Intangir: I happen to agree with the Cato paper I linked - it's an awful idea. But it's the law, and it's been upheld as constitutional. I disagree, but it doesn't matter what I think. I can be illegal in the Empire of Codayus, but it's not illegal in the US. |
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| 16:13.12 | Lunessa | Intangir: Go read the article. Really. /tinfoil hat |
| 16:13.16 | Codayus | Er, It can, even. |
| 16:14.12 | Intangir | Thomas Jefferson, declared, "If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their money, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them, will deprive the people of their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered." |
| 16:14.15 | Industrial | MoonWolf: shoo troll. |
| 16:14.19 | Intangir | Lunessa: i read it before, i know everything in there |
| 16:14.19 | Industrial | malreth: * |
| 16:14.24 | Intangir | i know all the details |
| 16:14.32 | Intangir | ive researched it alot longer than you i can assure you |
| 16:14.47 | Intangir | your the one who found a wikipedia article which leaves out al lthe important details and thinks you have the right to tell me 'tinfoil |
| 16:14.50 | MoonWolf | Industrial, i'll shoo your troll! |
| 16:14.51 | Intangir | fuck you |
| 16:14.59 | Lunessa | Really? Do you, personally, know what things I may or may not have studied? |
| 16:15.00 | Intangir | fuck you fucking retarded ignortant pieces of shit.. |
| 16:15.01 | Codayus | Intangir: Doesn't matter what Jefferson thinks either. We have a government of laws, not one of what Jefferson said... |
| 16:15.24 | malreth | Intangir: wow... you really spend a lot of time researching things that normal people really don't care about |
| 16:15.25 | zenzelezz | why do you keep coming back here if we're all so unworthy of your divine presence, Intangir? |
| 16:15.31 | Industrial | Intangir: lmao stop man. this is the internet. Don;t make me look up the retarded kid pic |
| 16:15.40 | Intangir | your all abunch of ignorant anti american unpatriotic yellow bellied cowards waiting to be victiuzed, you wont have to wait long, and you know what with this kind of willful ignorance, you deserve it |
| 16:15.42 | Lunessa | I'm waiting for a "The Tyrant Lincoln" comment too... |
| 16:15.48 | Industrial | Intangir: damn right cause I'm dutch |
| 16:16.01 | malreth | roll me a fatty, Industrial |
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| 16:16.10 | Industrial | haha :D |
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| 16:16.18 | Codayus | Hmmm |
| 16:16.27 | zenzelezz | it just gets old |
| 16:16.30 | Lunessa | All kidding aside, MAN it's EASY to wind him up. |
| 16:16.40 | Codayus | See, this is why Libertarians (big L) and Ron Paul supporters have such a bad name... |
| 16:16.42 | malreth | be sure to shred some dollar bills into it... i wanna SMOKE my non government monies |
| 16:16.53 | Threz_ | Is there an addon that lists all current frames? I think I have some addon frames that are off screen and I can't move them because I don't know their names |
| 16:17.12 | cog|away | Having not seen any of the previous conversation, I have to say I agree with him in principle... |
| 16:17.48 | zenzelezz | whether he's right or wrong doesn't matter when he dons his holier than thou hat |
| 16:17.57 | Codayus | zenzelezz: ...made of tinfoil. |
| 16:18.01 | zenzelezz | lol |
| 16:18.07 | Industrial | I'm not even sure I understand what this is about, and have no opinion on it so far, but yes the government can pretty much take your shit :| |
| 16:18.12 | malreth | i have now found my new favorite person in the world |
| 16:18.23 | TecnoBrat | wow, politics in wowi :P |
| 16:18.31 | malreth | that wasn't politics |
| 16:18.48 | malreth | politics go nowhere... that actually accomplished something |
| 16:18.53 | Codayus | Well, kinda politics... |
| 16:18.56 | Codayus | Heh |
| 16:18.56 | malreth | it brought us together |
| 16:19.23 | Lunessa | *sniff* I'm gonna get all choked-up and cry! *teardrop* |
| 16:19.52 | Codayus | Industrial: In US law...sorta...property can be guilty of crimes too. And property has a lot fewer protections than human beings do in terms of standards of evidence, "innocent until proven guilty", etc. |
| 16:19.52 | Threz_ | so no way to list frames? |
| 16:20.15 | malreth | Threz_: there is a way but i don't know of an addon that does that off the top of my head |
| 16:20.24 | malreth | it's certainly possible |
| 16:20.36 | Threz_ | If it's possible without an addon, that's cool too :) |
| 16:20.43 | zenzelezz | DevTools has something like the /dtframestack I think? But I don't recall if it lists *all* frames or only mouse-enabled, or whatever |
| 16:20.49 | malreth | you could even make one that lists only frames that are outside of the viewable area of the screen |
| 16:21.06 | cog|work | Threz_: try the editing ui from http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/ui/ |
| 16:21.26 | Codayus | Which basically means that if the government thinks you've commited a crime while in your car, it's quite hard for them to lock YOU up, but fairly easy for them to take your car. I believe this distinction was stolen from British law. No idea how Napoleonic code counties handle it. |
| 16:21.29 | Industrial | Codayus: thats like "the needle injected itself into me! I'm the victim!" |
| 16:21.34 | Industrial | :S |
| 16:21.41 | Industrial | (drugs) |
| 16:21.48 | Threz_ | thanks, I'll check out your suggestions |
| 16:22.01 | cog|work | asset forfeiture is extremely 4tl |
| 16:24.16 | Codayus | cog|work: This is true. |
| 16:24.28 | Industrial | hmm, how many ep's will eureka season 2 have? I jsut watched 13 |
| 16:24.30 | TecnoBrat | from my understanding it goes worse than that, if you sell drugs, get caught, they can seise anything that you would of purchased with the drug money |
| 16:24.43 | cog|work | TecnoBrat: you don't even have to get caught |
| 16:24.51 | TecnoBrat | cog|work, right |
| 16:25.20 | TecnoBrat | you dont even have to be convicted you mean |
| 16:25.25 | Codayus | *shrug* Possibly. |
| 16:25.26 | cog|work | no |
| 16:25.34 | malreth | i dunno... i just think the concept of the liberty dollar as a private currency is absurd |
| 16:25.39 | Industrial | I wonder what would happen if they just let al the really dumb and really fat (same thing I guess) people die.. |
| 16:25.42 | Industrial | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:25.53 | cog|work | you just have to be susbected |
| 16:25.54 | malreth | i mean, just frikkin buy a chunk of gold instead |
| 16:25.55 | Industrial | eg dont forbid drugs, remove all warning signs :D |
| 16:25.56 | cog|work | s/b/p/ |
| 16:25.57 | TecnoBrat | they just suspect you of it .. and they can just seize it. |
| 16:26.00 | cog|work | moo |
| 16:26.10 | Codayus | Oh, want to hear a good one? In some cases, having too much cash is sufficiently suspicious that it can be confiscated. :-) |
| 16:26.33 | TecnoBrat | Codayus, unexplained revenue sources, yes. |
| 16:26.38 | Robaldinho | Yup |
| 16:26.38 | Codayus | Since large amounts of cash are presumably drug proceeds, and thus, forfeit. |
| 16:26.41 | Robaldinho | you could be a drug dealer |
| 16:26.42 | malreth | Codayus: yes... but there's no limit on the amount of SALT you can own |
| 16:26.47 | Codayus | And then you can sue and try to prove they aren't. |
| 16:26.48 | Robaldinho | or a bank robber |
| 16:26.52 | Industrial | malreth: lol what |
| 16:26.52 | malreth | mmm... |
| 16:26.53 | Robaldinho | or Tony soprano |
| 16:27.12 | Codayus | The war on drugs has so very very much to answer for. :-( |
| 16:27.34 | TecnoBrat | Codayus, the thing is that most people have a record of how they received money |
| 16:27.36 | malreth | Industrial: i keep all of my money as salt... the true original hard asset |
| 16:27.39 | TecnoBrat | so its not really an issue :P |
| 16:27.46 | TecnoBrat | like you know .. payroll? |
| 16:27.58 | Codayus | TecnoBrat: Well, yes. But. You still have to sue to get it back. |
| 16:28.22 | Codayus | The fact that it's not typically hard to WIN the lawsuit doesn't make it any less stunning a violation of basic civil liberties. :-/ |
| 16:28.36 | malreth | only drawback is i have to keep it out of the rain |
| 16:28.41 | Industrial | I can't stop being amazed at some of the retardedness that's called the USA :D it just keeps coming |
| 16:28.47 | TecnoBrat | the fact that they CAN just take it without a real investigation .. doesn't mean in practice they actually do :P |
| 16:28.51 | malreth | lest it all become converted into 'liquid assets' |
| 16:28.58 | cog|work | TecnoBrat: but they do |
| 16:29.45 | Codayus | TecnoBrat: It does happen. Not often, but "not often" is still more than, in my view, should take place. |
| 16:29.46 | Threz_ | Woo, thanks cog|work, that's exactly what I wanted |
| 16:29.46 | cog|work | http://www.isil.org/resources/lit/looting-of-america.html |
| 16:29.58 | Threz_ | I found my missing frames :) |
| 16:30.05 | cog|work | :) |
| 16:30.06 | malreth | Threz_: yay! |
| 16:31.18 | TecnoBrat | Wonder if we have the same thing in Canada, I don't really know |
| 16:31.47 | malreth | i long for yesterday |
| 16:31.51 | cog|work | not many other countries have their panties in nearly as tight a bunch as the US wrt drugs |
| 16:31.52 | malreth | talking about curry |
| 16:32.11 | malreth | cog|work: actually... that's very interesting |
| 16:32.22 | malreth | lemme find an article... |
| 16:32.31 | Codayus | TecnoBrat: If the law system came via UKs common law, then yes, they'll have the laws on the book. However most places don't tend to enforce them; the US didn't until quite recently as a result, mostly, of the war on drugs. |
| 16:32.36 | TecnoBrat | I'd be more afraid of the homeland security acts or whatever |
| 16:32.42 | malreth | really interesting about the drug war and the pharmaceutical industry |
| 16:33.05 | TecnoBrat | The ones that basically say they can monitor or do whaetevr the heck they want |
| 16:33.19 | TecnoBrat | and detain anyone they want without any proof for X days or whatever |
| 16:33.25 | TecnoBrat | just because they are suspected of terrorism |
| 16:33.35 | TecnoBrat | that woukd scare me more :P |
| 16:33.38 | malreth | cog|work: http://www.slate.com/id/2175730/entry/2175732/ |
| 16:34.10 | malreth | it's a really interesting series of articles on America and Lawbreaking |
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| 16:34.54 | Robaldinho | I'm glad I live in the United Kingdom |
| 16:35.03 | malreth | "That's because over the last two decades, the pharmaceutical industry has developed a full set of substitutes for just about every illegal narcotic we have. Avoiding the highly charged politics of "illegal" drugs, the pharmaceutical industry, doctors, and citizens have thus quietly created the means for Americans to get at substitutes for almost all the drugs banned in the 20th century." |
| 16:35.28 | Robaldinho | What's the sub for cannabis? |
| 16:35.33 | Threz_ | or heroin? |
| 16:35.35 | Codayus | TecnoBrat: Europe, mostly, has much much stricter laws on that. |
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| 16:35.41 | malreth | Clonazepam |
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| 16:35.45 | cog|work | Robaldinho: Marinol |
| 16:35.46 | malreth | for heroin, i think |
| 16:36.13 | malreth | http://www.erowid.org/ if you want a list |
| 16:36.14 | TecnoBrat | malreth, that is true, I was given medical cocaine when I had my nose broken |
| 16:36.26 | Codayus | As does the UK...come to that. |
| 16:36.43 | cog|work | Not only have the drug companies made substitutes, but they've actively funded anti-drug campaigns because it helps stifle competition |
| 16:37.02 | malreth | ah... that opens a delicious can of worms |
| 16:37.09 | malreth | but yeah... |
| 16:37.36 | Intangir | have yall brought up methadone? |
| 16:37.46 | Intangir | its just as addictive as heroine, but its legal, and pushed on addicts |
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| 16:37.49 | Intangir | more expensive too |
| 16:37.54 | malreth | wrong topic |
| 16:38.00 | TecnoBrat | cog|work, for a number of reasons ... lets just take the medical marijuana argument. |
| 16:38.02 | cog|work | Dupont was one of the biggest backers of the marijuana ban because of hemp's impact on nylon etc. |
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| 16:38.12 | TecnoBrat | If they are using it instead of a prescription drug ... |
| 16:38.14 | TecnoBrat | then yea .. |
| 16:38.22 | Intangir | cog|work is totally right |
| 16:38.42 | TecnoBrat | really, its smart business |
| 16:38.48 | cog|work | yep |
| 16:38.49 | TecnoBrat | I can't blame them all that much |
| 16:38.50 | cog|work | it is |
| 16:38.57 | Intangir | even though most strains of hemp dont have any effect |
| 16:39.03 | cog|work | it's just a shame that the government has enough power that lobbyists are able to swing it around |
| 16:39.09 | dreamss | weed is not legal due to the tobaco industry |
| 16:39.11 | cog|work | like that |
| 16:39.13 | dreamss | its simple : |
| 16:39.27 | cog|work | nah... weed doesn't compete with tobacco |
| 16:39.27 | Intangir | TecnoBrat: you cant blame them for cheating you? i can |
| 16:39.42 | dreamss | tobacco would loose a lot of business if weed was legal |
| 16:39.42 | cog|work | plenty of people smoke both |
| 16:39.43 | dreamss | heh |
| 16:39.48 | Codayus | dreamss: Less simple than you might think; as cog mentioned, Dupont has more to do with it... |
| 16:40.00 | Intangir | dreamss: no they would just make marijuana cigarettes |
| 16:40.01 | TecnoBrat | Intangir, how so? As a human being, I'd much rather have all of the drugs regulated by the prescription drug system |
| 16:40.14 | cog|work | in fact, the tobacco industry would probably .... Intangir got it |
| 16:40.16 | Codayus | TecnoBrat: Sounds like a disaster. |
| 16:40.19 | TecnoBrat | Then by drug dealers :P |
| 16:40.26 | malreth | ooh... if you stab someone to death and try to clean the knife off with bleach, make sure to clean out the sink trap |
| 16:40.35 | cog|work | TecnoBrat: how about neither? |
| 16:40.38 | Lopeppeppy | Good morning, zenzelezz! Happy pre-TurkeyComa. |
| 16:40.44 | malreth | investigators check the plumbing for dna evidence |
| 16:40.52 | Intangir | TecnoBrat: i dont even know where to begin on that |
| 16:40.57 | Intangir | theres thousands of uses for hemp |
| 16:41.04 | TecnoBrat | I'm talking about people who are using "illegal" drugs for |
| 16:41.04 | Intangir | its the best material in all kinds of manufacturing |
| 16:41.08 | TecnoBrat | "medical purposes" |
| 16:41.09 | Intangir | all kinds of uses, thousands.. literally |
| 16:41.17 | Lopeppeppy | malreth -- watch CSI, you'll learn a lot of tips in crime-commission. |
| 16:41.21 | Intangir | its useful for industry, manufacturing, nutrition, etc etc etc.. |
| 16:41.23 | cog|work | TecnoBrat: who cares why their using it? |
| 16:41.29 | cog|work | that's getting into thought policing |
| 16:41.31 | Intangir | dupont gets it banned, its a huge diservices to the entire planet |
| 16:41.33 | Intangir | to all mankind |
| 16:41.40 | Intangir | as a human, that angers me |
| 16:41.40 | TecnoBrat | cog|work, true |
| 16:41.45 | cog|work | you don't ask what someone is going to do with a bottle of vodka when they buy it |
| 16:41.51 | malreth | oh, that's easy then... stop buying dupont products |
| 16:42.03 | TecnoBrat | cog|work, you are right, yea |
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| 16:42.09 | Intangir | they still sell them, they got tons of chemicals, byproducts, all in the ecosystem |
| 16:42.13 | malreth | cog|work: i do... i ask them if they're going to share it |
| 16:42.15 | Codayus | Intangir: Ah, but they funneled their hightened profits into R&D, leading to inventions such as Kevlar. And that benefited humanity, no so? :-) |
| 16:42.16 | Intangir | and they have banned the alternative... |
| 16:43.04 | TecnoBrat | Intangir, you are talking about hemp? |
| 16:43.10 | cog|work | Codayus: they didn't need a hemp ban to develop kevlar... They could've made a market for themselves regardless |
| 16:43.13 | malreth | i think i'm going to switch from Bartender3 to FlexBar2... |
| 16:43.19 | TecnoBrat | Its not illegal in Canada AFAIK |
| 16:43.39 | Codayus | cog|work: Ah, but, impoverished as they no doubt would have been, how could they afford to develop kevlar? |
| 16:43.52 | Intangir | TecnoBrat: and what do you care if someone smokes some weed, how does it effect you |
| 16:43.59 | cog|work | "no doubt would've been" <--- bzzzzzt! |
| 16:44.02 | Intangir | what business is it of yours if someone wants to 'get high' on weed, its harmless |
| 16:44.11 | Intangir | you dont require a persription for a beer do you? |
| 16:44.15 | malreth | Intangir: i've seen Reefer Madness... if people smoke weed they'll turn into lesbians |
| 16:44.19 | Intangir | should i get a perscription for a cocacola? |
| 16:44.21 | malreth | lesbians cause me to watch |
| 16:44.32 | dreamss | last i checked weed is becoming legal in canada :P |
| 16:44.33 | malreth | and if i watch, i'll get into car accidents by not paying attention to the road |
| 16:44.34 | TecnoBrat | Intangir, heh, my opinion isn't that I care .. just BTW |
| 16:44.34 | Intangir | or a chocolate bar? |
| 16:44.51 | malreth | too many damn lesbians |
| 16:44.52 | cog|work | Codayus: dupont has plenty of business that doesn't compete in any way with hemp |
| 16:44.54 | TecnoBrat | Intangir, I live in BC, and if you know anything about BC, you'd know what weed is like here :P |
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| 16:45.02 | dreamss | : |
| 16:45.13 | malreth | TecnoBrat: what are the lesbians like in BC? |
| 16:45.22 | Lopeppeppy | Chocolate. |
| 16:45.37 | TecnoBrat | malreth, they like girls |
| 16:45.44 | cog|work | malreth: blue with horns and hooves |
| 16:45.55 | cog|work | ~rimshot |
| 16:45.56 | purl | ba-dum CHH |
| 16:45.56 | Codayus | cog|work: In case it wasn't obvious, my tongue was firmly planted in my cheek. |
| 16:46.14 | malreth | cog|work: ZING! |
| 16:46.18 | cog|work | Codayus: i figured as much... :) |
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| 16:46.57 | malreth | no, mrbond. i expect you to die! |
| 16:47.07 | mrbond | oh dear |
| 16:47.12 | mrbond | theres always one |
| 16:47.13 | mrbond | lol |
| 16:47.17 | malreth | yeah, i bet you get that ALL the time |
| 16:47.21 | mrbond | yep |
| 16:47.22 | Codayus | Oh, and I should point out that hemp is quite legal in the US. You just can't GROW it. |
| 16:47.24 | malreth | which is why i said it |
| 16:47.28 | mrbond | its a curse |
| 16:47.31 | cog|work | zomg! u make deth thret!!!! zomg fbi weeoooweeeoooweeeooo |
| 16:47.38 | Intangir | Codayus: ya .. you cant grow it |
| 16:47.46 | mrbond | so what we chatting about then |
| 16:47.49 | Codayus | But importing, selling, making sutff with it...is fine. |
| 16:47.56 | malreth | mrbond: lesbians |
| 16:48.05 | malreth | mrbond: before that drugs |
| 16:48.07 | mrbond | splendid i will get me camera |
| 16:48.15 | malreth | get your kit, too |
| 16:48.19 | cog|work | mrbond: lesbian draenei in particular |
| 16:48.31 | sag_ich_nicht | hemp is just forbidden to be grown because of the cotton industry back in the day because it's technically superior to cotton in any way |
| 16:48.32 | dreamss | be.. |
| 16:48.34 | cog|work | and drugs |
| 16:48.45 | mrbond | ok right i will point out am from the uk |
| 16:48.46 | sag_ich_nicht | nope |
| 16:48.50 | cog|work | sag_ich_nicht: cotton and synthetic textiles :) |
| 16:48.51 | mrbond | so bare with me |
| 16:48.52 | Intangir | ya its got sooo many uses they just had to ban it.. |
| 16:49.11 | Codayus | Don't forget the Hears/newsprint/timber conspiracy thoery. |
| 16:49.12 | cog|work | ("and drugs" was wrt "what are we chatting about" |
| 16:49.14 | Codayus | While we're on it. |
| 16:49.22 | Codayus | Hearst, even |
| 16:49.37 | malreth | mrbond: we're lesbians since we're both naked together and like girls |
| 16:49.41 | dreamss | man those dirty pirates... MS pushed bans yesterday and irc is going crazy |
| 16:49.56 | mrbond | right |
| 16:50.22 | dreamss | 1500 ppl in the channel and its scrolling at 50miles an hour |
| 16:50.23 | dreamss | lol |
| 16:50.30 | sag_ich_nicht | cog|work: the cotton industry used the fact that marijuana is psychoactive to support it's war on the hemp, look at the DEA burning down hemp fields that aren't even remotely related to marijuana |
| 16:50.32 | sag_ich_nicht | and honestly |
| 16:50.47 | Robaldinho | did you know you can grow 4 tonnes of cotton in like a square metre or square foot or something similar to that size |
| 16:50.56 | Robaldinho | in the same area you can grow 50 tonnes of hemp |
| 16:50.58 | mrbond | lol i have hemp insulation in my roof |
| 16:50.58 | sag_ich_nicht | a bit of weed is way less harmful than any cigarette |
| 16:51.13 | dreamss | or beer |
| 16:51.16 | cog|work | sag_ich_nicht: all i meant was that dupont was right there with them ;) |
| 16:51.19 | sag_ich_nicht | or beer, for that matter :P |
| 16:51.32 | mrbond | hay a report say canibis can stop breast cancer |
| 16:51.38 | malreth | omg... is dupont french? |
| 16:51.49 | mrbond | lol |
| 16:51.54 | sag_ich_nicht | there is study for pretty much any material by now mrbond claiming that it can stop some kind of cancer |
| 16:51.56 | Robaldinho | also, growing hemp industrially like that means there is zero chance of finding any thc content as you can't separate the male plants from the female |
| 16:52.20 | dreamss | heh |
| 16:52.27 | mrbond | canibis is not really legal in the uk |
| 16:52.35 | Robaldinho | i wish it was |
| 16:52.42 | Lunessa | This is Mr. T's Night Elf Mohawk! |
| 16:52.55 | Robaldinho | but i dont really care if it is or not since i'll do it anyway |
| 16:52.57 | mrbond | they say it is but you still get done for it |
| 16:53.25 | Robaldinho | my cousin got caught with a little just last week |
| 16:53.30 | mrbond | i think the police just take it of you so they can smoke it |
| 16:53.39 | Robaldinho | they searched his house and went through everything |
| 16:53.50 | Robaldinho | even in the attic |
| 16:53.51 | mrbond | like they have the right too |
| 16:54.05 | TecnoBrat | dreamss, on this network? |
| 16:54.05 | Robaldinho | looks like they do over here |
| 16:54.12 | dreamss | efnet |
| 16:54.14 | Robaldinho | I live in Northern Ireland |
| 16:54.26 | Robaldinho | our laws are a bit different from the mainland |
| 16:54.28 | mrbond | i have lost all respect for the cops in england |
| 16:54.37 | malreth | efnet... you'll never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy |
| 16:54.48 | dreamss | word |
| 16:54.51 | mrbond | lol malreth |
| 16:54.53 | Robaldinho | like for instance the age of consent here is 16 for males and 17 for females |
| 16:55.05 | TecnoBrat | dreamss, fw? |
| 16:55.23 | malreth | Robaldinho: that sounds oddly catholic influenced... :) |
| 16:55.28 | dreamss | if u wanna learn how to break nagravasion encryption there no better place tho : |
| 16:55.30 | dreamss | yah |
| 16:55.51 | TecnoBrat | I gotta go watch the crying |
| 16:56.07 | dreamss | mostly conspiracy theories on how uget banned |
| 16:56.27 | dreamss | ppl dont realize MS > pirates but oh well |
| 16:56.36 | sag_ich_nicht | i wish efnet would stop having this stupidly low character number limitation for nicknames |
| 16:56.53 | malreth | my spelling is too good for me to chat on efnet |
| 16:56.58 | TecnoBrat | dreamss, I assume its xbox360 on xbox live? |
| 16:57.07 | dreamss | word |
| 16:57.15 | mrbond | so what do you lot think of ron paul |
| 16:57.27 | dreamss | thats what u get for calling firmware "stealth" : |
| 16:57.30 | cog|work | mrbond: i registered republican so i could vote for him in the primaries |
| 16:57.34 | malreth | i appreciate ron paul because he is anti-everything |
| 16:57.37 | sag_ich_nicht | dreamss know of any servers with a higher limit, or did they enforce it network wide by now? :X |
| 16:57.51 | sag_ich_nicht | RON PAUL IS A FAILURE DO NOT VOTE FOR HIM (yes i had to write that in all caps) |
| 16:57.53 | dreamss | 9 is efnet standard |
| 16:57.56 | dreamss | i belive |
| 16:58.11 | mrbond | right i just see his name alot on reddit |
| 16:58.26 | Intangir | wtf? |
| 16:58.27 | mrbond | and somthing about 911 being a inside job |
| 16:58.28 | sag_ich_nicht | i know the STANDARD, but is it enforced on all servers? :P |
| 16:58.32 | Intangir | sag_ich_nicht: you being sarcastic? |
| 16:58.35 | sag_ich_nicht | nope |
| 16:58.37 | sag_ich_nicht | not at all |
| 16:58.48 | malreth | mrbond: tinfoil hat nonsense |
| 16:58.53 | dreamss | if u work at retailers like bestbuy or cotsco u gonna see a lot of assholes swapping their banned and sopon to be dead xbox for a new one |
| 16:58.54 | dreamss | lol |
| 16:58.55 | cog|work | mrbond: www.ronpaul2008.com |
| 16:59.02 | Intangir | ronpaul isnt failing at anything |
| 16:59.05 | mrbond | what do you mean malreth |
| 16:59.11 | Intangir | hes winning tons of polls |
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| 16:59.23 | Intangir | winning tons of donations too |
| 16:59.26 | mrbond | thanks cog will have a look |
| 16:59.34 | malreth | mrbond: i mean those people are crazy conspiracy nuts |
| 16:59.38 | sag_ich_nicht | Intangir: go read about him, unless you have a stick up your ass, don't vote for him: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Ron_Paul |
| 16:59.44 | sag_ich_nicht | Intangir: SO? |
| 16:59.45 | Intangir | lol |
| 16:59.49 | Intangir | whats wrong with him |
| 16:59.52 | mrbond | what makes you say that malreth |
| 16:59.52 | sag_ich_nicht | he's still a fucking retard and needs to die in a fire |
| 17:00.00 | cog|work | sag_ich_nicht: NO U |
| 17:00.00 | Intangir | are you joking? |
| 17:00.03 | sag_ich_nicht | read the wikipedia article i just linked you, then decide for yourself |
| 17:00.03 | mrbond | i dont know much on the subject |
| 17:00.16 | sag_ich_nicht | cog|work: no, SHUT UP and read about whom you vote for before you promote him |
| 17:00.34 | Intangir | i read about him already, whats not to like |
| 17:00.41 | cog|work | sag_ich_nicht: if you don't understand the principles behind libertarianism, their views will be shocking at first |
| 17:00.45 | cog|work | i don't deny that |
| 17:00.50 | malreth | mrbond: ever been on a bus where some mentally challenged person is sitting by himself talking to himself about random things? |
| 17:00.51 | Intangir | i dont even find it shocking |
| 17:00.51 | cog|work | but it's all based on simple fundamental rules |
| 17:00.53 | Intangir | its just common sense |
| 17:01.04 | malreth | mrbond: also, he smells of cabbage and wears tattered clothing |
| 17:01.18 | Robaldinho | i would get off that bus |
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| 17:01.24 | Robaldinho | and wait for the next |
| 17:01.26 | malreth | mrbond: you know that feeling you have when he looks at you.. that oddly disturbed feeling |
| 17:01.40 | mrbond | malreth oh i see you think there mad but some thinks i have heard seem to make sence |
| 17:01.40 | malreth | mrbond: the germans probably have a word that describes that feeling |
| 17:01.41 | Intangir | sag_ich_nicht: lets try and make sense of this, let me know one of the things you dont like, and we can discuss it |
| 17:02.18 | sag_ich_nicht | [18:00] <cog|work> sag_ich_nicht: if you don't understand the principles behind libertarianism, their views will be shocking at first <--i am from europe cogwheel and a socialdemocrate. no shockingness, go away. :P ron paul is a failure. Intangir: sure, hold and i'll list you all :P |
| 17:02.20 | cog|work | sag_ich_nicht: seriously... I agree with nearly every view he has. Do you want to argue points or just go on a stereotypical character assassination with no facts to back it up? |
| 17:02.24 | Intangir | also out of curiosity who would you vote for |
| 17:02.26 | malreth | mrbond: that's the feeling i get when i see those kinds of people waving their signs around in front of the capital (state capital) building downtown |
| 17:02.50 | Intangir | sag_ich_nicht: just list 1 at a time |
| 17:03.00 | cog|work | sag_ich_nicht: in other words you want to be a govenment minion and don't think people should have the responsibility to control their own lives? |
| 17:03.02 | malreth | mrbond: those people also tend to be ugly and if you're ugly, it's not possible for the things you say to be correct |
| 17:03.02 | Intangir | and we can see if you really just dont agree, or if you dont understand it |
| 17:03.03 | mrbond | do they really do that |
| 17:03.12 | cog|work | sag_ich_nicht: argue a point |
| 17:03.17 | cog|work | sag_ich_nicht: or stfu |
| 17:03.21 | Intangir | cause i gotta think that if you really find him that bad, you must not be understanding it right |
| 17:03.25 | mrbond | lol malreth i dont see my self that way |
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| 17:03.39 | malreth | mrbond: why? are you ugly? |
| 17:03.40 | malreth | :D |
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| 17:03.50 | mrbond | besides beauty is in they eye of the beholder |
| 17:03.57 | Intangir | lol ugly people cant be right? |
| 17:04.02 | Intangir | can attractive people be wrong? |
| 17:04.05 | malreth | oh man... don't talk to me about beholder eyes... |
| 17:04.15 | mrbond | fuck yeh |
| 17:04.18 | malreth | the first D&D campaign i was ever on, my character died thanks to a beholder |
| 17:04.32 | Intangir | sag_ich_nicht: i hope your not posting a 5 paragraph rant about ron paul.. just bring up 1 thing at a time |
| 17:04.35 | malreth | i had to reroll a new one the next week |
| 17:04.49 | mrbond | just saying do you stand in the mirror looking at your self |
| 17:05.09 | mrbond | are you male of female |
| 17:05.11 | malreth | what stupid DM thinks it's a good idea to put a beholder in the first dungeon that a level 1 char goes into |
| 17:05.43 | mrbond | whats dm |
| 17:05.50 | malreth | dungeon master |
| 17:05.59 | mrbond | oh a morpg game |
| 17:06.14 | mrbond | i dont use the pc to play games |
| 17:06.15 | malreth | if i'm talking about Dungeons and Dragons, you can safely assume that i'm male |
| 17:06.26 | malreth | also... |
| 17:06.28 | mrbond | well derrr |
| 17:06.29 | Intangir | malreth: and ugly ;) |
| 17:06.29 | mrbond | lol |
| 17:06.33 | malreth | purl, malreth |
| 17:06.34 | purl | malreth scares me |
| 17:07.24 | malreth | oooh! no... bad purl! |
| 17:07.24 | malreth | Intangir: ZING! |
| 17:07.24 | mrbond | who plays world of war craft |
| 17:07.25 | Lopeppeppy | Nobody here, nope, not at all. |
| 17:07.25 | mrbond | thank fuck |
| 17:07.25 | malreth | sadly, i often spend more time scripting than playing... |
| 17:07.25 | malreth | which makes me even more sad and depraved |
| 17:07.33 | Intangir | sag_ich_nicht: just disappear or what? |
| 17:07.38 | Intangir | cog|work: he disappeared |
| 17:07.47 | mrbond | lol i must be the only person here thats not a programer |
| 17:07.50 | cog|work | sag_ich_nicht: your lack of response is rather telling... Most people who cling to socialist ideals do so out of pure emotion. Libertarianism can be reached by a number of philosophical foundations, but mine tends to follow from objectivism (in a broader sense than Rand's) which is nothing more than a logical extension of accepting existence |
| 17:07.51 | sag_ich_nicht | no |
| 17:07.52 | Intangir | im still not sure if he was joking |
| 17:08.07 | sag_ich_nicht | first thing, i like how he's in support of the Austrian Business Cycle Theory, and against the federal reserve... NOT. he wants the system to move back to hard money, which has been shown to not work in history before |
| 17:08.26 | Intangir | http://youtube.com/watch?v=JZzQ4uvVaNM |
| 17:08.27 | malreth | purl, sag_ich_nicht |
| 17:08.29 | Intangir | hilary vs hilary ;) |
| 17:08.30 | Intangir | LOL |
| 17:08.33 | cog|work | sag_ich_nicht: when has it been shown not to work? |
| 17:08.34 | sag_ich_nicht | I just had to decide what to flame first :P |
| 17:08.50 | malreth | sag_ich_nicht: flaming... i can respect that. |
| 17:08.50 | cog|work | fiat money has failed far more often than sound money |
| 17:08.53 | Tierrie | i'm not sure when the austrian business cycle theory hasn't worked either |
| 17:09.05 | Intangir | sag_ich_nicht: its working fine right now in countries all over the world |
| 17:09.12 | Tierrie | maybe the great depression i guess? |
| 17:09.13 | Intangir | even euros are based on real assets |
| 17:09.29 | Tierrie | the usd was ok when they were printing money conservatively |
| 17:09.30 | cog|work | Tierrie: the depression was BECAUSE of government, not in spite of it |
| 17:09.31 | mrbond | how much if gas over there at the moment |
| 17:09.32 | Intangir | the great depression was AFTER moving to federal reserve money |
| 17:09.47 | Tierrie | was it? coolbies ;D |
| 17:09.53 | mrbond | u lot want rid of that |
| 17:10.14 | malreth | you know... as charged and as biased as this discussion is... it's probably a lot more approachable than functional programming and lambda calculus |
| 17:10.21 | Intangir | its the system of unbacked inflation that has failed everytime its been used throughout history |
| 17:10.23 | Lunessa | cog|work: Not that I'm going to /tinfoil hat you too, but "sound money" (i.e. money made from things of 'intrinsic' value) fails in one aspect - there's not enough gold available to represent all the available wealth. |
| 17:10.29 | Tierrie | well really anyone who knows about Ron Paul and his position will be intellectually attracted to it, the votes this time around will be between the educated and the ignorant :P |
| 17:10.35 | Intangir | its not a matter of if it will fail |
| 17:10.37 | Intangir | its just a matter of when |
| 17:10.38 | malreth | mrbond: gas just hit the $3/gal mark here in Austin, TX |
| 17:10.41 | Intangir | how long can people be fooled |
| 17:10.42 | cog|work | Lunessa: paper money's fine as long as it's backed |
| 17:10.55 | Intangir | mrbond: your in austin? |
| 17:11.06 | cog|work | Lunessa: and there are plenty of other vehicles of wealth |
| 17:11.07 | mrbond | no london uk |
| 17:11.10 | Lunessa | cog|work: All any money is, is an idea, backed by confidence that you will be able to exchange it for goods/services. |
| 17:11.16 | malreth | Intangir: I'm in Austin |
| 17:11.31 | Lunessa | malreth: Heh, I'm in Houston. |
| 17:11.32 | Intangir | malreth: k sec let me tell you a radio station |
| 17:11.37 | sag_ich_nicht | cog|work: remember how Bretton Woods system failed because of the Triffin dilemma? |
| 17:11.38 | Tierrie | Lunessa: I'd like to add "of equivalent value" to your quip |
| 17:11.50 | malreth | Lunessa: Ah... H-town... |
| 17:11.55 | Lunessa | Tierrie: Indeed. |
| 17:12.03 | malreth | Lunessa: i'll be heading there tomorrow morning for dinner with my folks |
| 17:12.05 | Intangir | sag_ich_nicht: so what else do you not like? |
| 17:12.14 | Intangir | so far it sounds like you have no real reason to hate him.. |
| 17:12.27 | Lunessa | malreth: I have family in Austin. I however, will not be heading there for dinner. |
| 17:12.44 | malreth | Lunessa: really? what family? can i meet them? |
| 17:12.48 | cog|work | sag_ich_nicht: that's completely irrelevant... implementing a centrally-planned system is the problem |
| 17:12.52 | Tierrie | Lunessa: with our current fiat money, holding on to the cash to exchange them for assets later is a depreciating value game |
| 17:13.16 | cog|work | no one group can possibly claim to have enough knowledge about all details of the economy to make the "best" decision as far as monetary policy |
| 17:13.17 | Intangir | yall are starting to amaze me |
| 17:13.25 | Intangir | its like half of you DO know what your talking about, i thought everyone in here was braindead |
| 17:13.28 | Lunessa | You can meet my sister, but I don't think you'd care much for her. And my brother? You and he would get along right up until you started punching each other. :P |
| 17:13.42 | cog|work | Intangir: I don't support your attitude, but I happen to agree with you on a couple points :P |
| 17:13.54 | malreth | Lunessa: your family sounds awesome! |
| 17:13.55 | cog|work | if to a lesser extent |
| 17:13.56 | Lunessa | Tierrie: I don't disagree with you. Inflation is a strange and terrible thing. |
| 17:13.59 | malreth | Lunessa: and very Texan |
| 17:14.01 | Intangir | i probably wouldnt have gotten so pissed if someone else had backed up half of what i was saying |
| 17:14.01 | sag_ich_nicht | ron paul claims that a hard money system would solve a lot of the economical problems that currently exist, and i for one, think that is just plain stupid, especially when compared to the abilty of introducing a tobin tax that kills a majority of the inflation straight out |
| 17:14.05 | Intangir | instead of just 5 people calling me tinfoil |
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| 17:14.33 | mrbond | brb |
| 17:14.41 | zaphox | what's a "tobin tax"? |
| 17:14.41 | Lunessa | Specifically *I* called you a /tinfoil hat. No one else did. |
| 17:14.51 | malreth | yep |
| 17:14.57 | malreth | i just called you crazy |
| 17:14.57 | cog|work | sag_ich_nicht: so you'd rather add another level of government control to your life than have them leave you be? |
| 17:15.01 | Intangir | sag_ich_nicht: ending the IRS and world policing ends alot of spending problems too |
| 17:15.04 | Intangir | you dont like that? |
| 17:15.15 | Tierrie | I called him a fruitcake |
| 17:15.19 | Tierrie | but only in my mind |
| 17:15.24 | sag_ich_nicht | cog|work: a tobin tax would not influence me personally, but only companies and stock traders that abuse market fluctuations |
| 17:15.24 | Intangir | ya id rather take away levels of taxation/control than add them on |
| 17:15.26 | Lunessa | malreth: Been to the Ren Faire yet? |
| 17:15.36 | cog|work | sag_ich_nicht: what's that have to do with sound money? |
| 17:15.40 | Intangir | sag_ich_nicht: that doesnt stop inflation |
| 17:15.41 | cog|work | inflation isn't caused by the market |
| 17:15.47 | malreth | Lunessa: my fiancee went on sunday. i stayed home to clean up and continue unpacking |
| 17:15.51 | cog|work | it's caused by governments printing more money |
| 17:15.53 | Intangir | inflation is caused by increasing the money supply.. |
| 17:16.01 | Lunessa | I'm considering going on Friday. |
| 17:16.12 | malreth | Lunessa: you're talking about the one in Magnolia, TX? it's really close to where my parents live |
| 17:16.22 | cog|work | The government gets the immediate benefit as do a few of the first few levels of transactions beyond that |
| 17:16.25 | Intangir | who said they were from houston |
| 17:16.27 | Intangir | where at in houston? |
| 17:16.39 | Lunessa | <--- |
| 17:16.42 | cog|work | once the money reaches the people, the price of goods has gone up to compensate and we end up being effectively taxed |
| 17:16.43 | sag_ich_nicht | oh REALLY, do you know that market fluctuations in the foreign exchange market can be used to make money from thin air? |
| 17:16.51 | Lunessa | You know the guy who said you wear a tinfoil hat. |
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| 17:17.04 | cog|work | sag_ich_nicht: so? |
| 17:17.13 | malreth | i can never find anything to match with my tinfoil hat |
| 17:17.16 | cog|work | sag_ich_nicht: google's value was created "from thin air" in the same manner |
| 17:17.29 | malreth | plus, aluminum foil hats breathe much easier |
| 17:17.38 | Lunessa | malreth: Yes, that's the one. |
| 17:17.43 | cog|work | sag_ich_nicht: that still has nothing to do with sound money or inflation |
| 17:18.28 | malreth | Lunessa: i could drive straight north from my parents house and get to the ren faire in 10 minutes if there weren't like 5 farmer's fields in the way |
| 17:18.37 | Tierrie | sag_ich_nicht: I don't think making money by playing stocks can be compared to the devaluing currency and the current dilemma |
| 17:18.39 | sag_ich_nicht | cog|work: no, i mean actually increase the money using nothing but money exchanges very quickly from one currency into the other by routing it thru multiple currencies in different timezones, using the delays between the stock exchanges to your advantage. |
| 17:18.46 | Intangir | sag_ich_nicht: thats not from thin air, someone loses in that exchange |
| 17:18.47 | sag_ich_nicht | Tierrie: this isn't about stocks |
| 17:18.56 | Intangir | the guy selling low and buying hi loses |
| 17:18.58 | Lunessa | malreth: LOL. I'm seriously considering going. Most of my friends/family are wussing out. |
| 17:19.09 | sag_ich_nicht | Intangir: please read what i just wrote, this isn't about stock trading |
| 17:19.17 | Intangir | i know, foreign exchange |
| 17:19.20 | sag_ich_nicht | this is just about currency exchange with high money sums |
| 17:19.21 | cog|work | sag_ich_nicht: stocks or currency... it doesn't matter |
| 17:19.22 | Intangir | you still cant exchange with 'thin air' |
| 17:19.23 | Tierrie | buying and selling forex is kind of equivalent to buying and selling commodities, which is almost like stocks |
| 17:19.26 | malreth | Lunessa: some guy was there last week in a very convincing darth vader outfit, apparently |
| 17:19.27 | Intangir | you have to exchange with a seller |
| 17:19.30 | Intangir | your trading |
| 17:19.33 | cog|work | sag_ich_nicht: one person buys, one person sells |
| 17:19.34 | Intangir | they lose if its a bad deal |
| 17:19.36 | malreth | Lunessa: pissed off all the faire-y types |
| 17:19.37 | cog|work | they don't create money |
| 17:19.43 | Intangir | thats not where inflation comes from |
| 17:19.45 | cog|work | only the government that prints the currency does |
| 17:19.48 | mrbond | you lot type too fast |
| 17:19.52 | Intangir | inflation comes from them 'making up' 12 billion dollars a day |
| 17:19.56 | cog|work | and again this has NOTHING to do with sound money or inflation |
| 17:19.59 | Intangir | 200 billion dollars a day when the market is tanking |
| 17:20.02 | Intangir | thats where inflation comes from |
| 17:20.22 | Intangir | so what else do you disagree with |
| 17:20.26 | malreth | the US government should create some money sinks to help control inflation... like add some flying mounts or something |
| 17:20.36 | Intangir | so far it seems you disagree with fiscal policy which.. you honestly dont seem to have a very firm grasp on |
| 17:20.46 | sag_ich_nicht | Intangir: and what causes them to make up that money? think about it. |
| 17:20.53 | Intangir | malreth: they do have money sinks, its called the income tax |
| 17:20.53 | cog|work | sag_ich_nicht: because they can. |
| 17:21.05 | cog|work | sag_ich_nicht: governments will do everything in their power to give themselves more power |
| 17:21.17 | Intangir | sag_ich_nicht: because the only reason the money has value is cause people think it has value |
| 17:21.18 | cog|work | and no that's not /tinfoil hat |
| 17:21.21 | malreth | Intangir: well that's no fun. i can't get a flying mount by paying that. :( |
| 17:21.23 | Intangir | if the economy crashes, people will realize it has no value |
| 17:21.30 | Intangir | so they print more money, to make the economy look stronger |
| 17:21.31 | cog|work | it's an emergent behavior inherent to systems of control |
| 17:21.36 | sag_ich_nicht | malreth: a tobin tax is exactly that, it's a very low percentage tax on foreign currency exchanges(like, 0.1%~0.25%) |
| 17:22.05 | Intangir | sag_ich_nicht: that fixes nothing |
| 17:22.14 | Intangir | it just puts more money into government hands for them to misspend |
| 17:22.20 | malreth | sag_ich_nicht: again... boooooring. gimme something cool like a griffon. taxes are as much fun as repair costs or auction house deposts |
| 17:22.21 | Lunessa | cog|work: That's not tinfoil hat |
| 17:22.23 | cog|work | sag_ich_nicht: all that will do is slow currency exchanges |
| 17:22.35 | Intangir | sag_ich_nicht: what else do you not like? |
| 17:22.40 | cog|work | and be a drain on the international economy |
| 17:22.44 | sag_ich_nicht | cog|work: no, it will sanitize them, because you don't exchange for the sake of exchanging |
| 17:22.54 | cog|work | sag_ich_nicht: who cares WHY you exchange? |
| 17:22.59 | cog|work | again you're getting into thought policing |
| 17:24.00 | Intangir | sag_ich_nicht: why shouldnt they be allowed to exchange for the sake of exchanging.. |
| 17:24.00 | cog|work | which you sound like you're comfortable with... |
| 17:24.00 | sag_ich_nicht | not really |
| 17:24.00 | Intangir | that isnt the cause of inflation, so taxing it, .. is pointless |
| 17:24.01 | sag_ich_nicht | cog|work: what is the purpose of exchanging money? to be able to buy or sell something in a different country, can we agree on that? |
| 17:24.01 | cog|work | no |
| 17:24.01 | cog|work | the purpose of exchanging any good or service is to make two parties feel better off |
| 17:24.08 | Tierrie | did you guys see the new World of Warcraft ad? |
| 17:24.13 | cog|work | I give a grocer a dollar because the loaf of bread on the counter is worth more to me |
| 17:24.21 | Intangir | sag_ich_nicht: what are your other complaints against ron pauls policy |
| 17:24.47 | sag_ich_nicht | Intangir: well, since we started talking about tought policing already, he's against net neutrality. :P |
| 17:24.52 | Lunessa | Maybe Mr. T hacked the system and created a Mohawk class! Maybe Mr. T is pretty handy with computers! |
| 17:25.08 | cog|work | sag_ich_nicht: i'm against net neutrality |
| 17:25.41 | cog|work | it's just another example of the government preventing people from making voluntary agreements |
| 17:26.30 | cog|work | sag_ich_nicht: you've moved on from the original topic... can we safely say you have no compelling argument against sound money now? |
| 17:26.46 | sag_ich_nicht | cog|work: not really, but Intangir kept on asking |
| 17:27.24 | art3mis | i want mccain to win, he's a crazy i know ;) |
| 17:27.55 | art3mis | well not win win, although that would be pretty awesome |
| 17:28.27 | sag_ich_nicht | [18:25] <cog|work> it's just another example of the government preventing people from making voluntary agreements <--how is, a government in itself, not a voluntary agreement in the first place, btw.? |
| 17:29.16 | cog|work | sag_ich_nicht: i'm not arguing the legitimacy of such a law |
| 17:29.32 | Intangir | i was afk |
| 17:29.34 | cog|work | (though i don't believe it would be constitutional) |
| 17:29.45 | art3mis | sag: well for the people that didnt choose said govt....... |
| 17:30.00 | cog|work | (supreme court decisions notwithstanding) |
| 17:30.07 | Intangir | oh ya on net neutrality i sort of disagree with ron paul, he is against federal regulation on things like this, he believes in free market |
| 17:30.16 | Intangir | if one company wants to charge more, it will just make them lose customers |
| 17:30.23 | Intangir | the problem is , these telecoms are a state subsidized monopoly |
| 17:30.29 | Intangir | so its not a free market in that arena already |
| 17:30.30 | cog|work | which would also go away |
| 17:30.33 | Intangir | because of federal intervention |
| 17:30.34 | cog|work | if ron paul were in charge |
| 17:30.59 | Intangir | if it were a free market from the state we would already be paying probably not even a quarter of what we are paying now.. |
| 17:31.11 | Intangir | and they wouldnt have the leeway to think they could get away with that shit |
| 17:31.15 | art3mis | you could look at it in the sense that while the internet is a free nebulous area of information and such, access to it is not |
| 17:31.19 | Intangir | i mean a free market from the START |
| 17:31.27 | Intangir | ya.. |
| 17:31.42 | Intangir | the telecom companies got billions of dollars in subsidies to setup their networks |
| 17:31.48 | Intangir | and now they pretty much have a monopoly on them |
| 17:31.54 | Intangir | so.. its fucking gay |
| 17:32.00 | Intangir | it should be free considering we paid so much for them already |
| 17:32.01 | art3mis | i have no problems with google and yahoo funnelling traffic to generate revenue, it's why they are there |
| 17:32.04 | cog|work | see, the that's the problem with taking on libertarianism one point at a time. You can't just remove regulations and call it good. You have to also remove the reasons for the regulations in the first place |
| 17:32.09 | Lunessa | Free markets are amazing, unless you're the one getting marginalized. Which is why so many markets aren't free. And then they don't solve that problem either. :P |
| 17:32.10 | sag_ich_nicht | [18:30] <Intangir> so its not a free market in that arena already <--correct |
| 17:32.17 | malreth | ooh... http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/lightroomsdk/ Adobe Lightroom Export SDK uses Lua |
| 17:32.52 | art3mis | however the idea that i'd be subject to a certain class of "ads" based on my access to the internet is wrong anymore than people would be impressed if say because you drive a honda you're funnelled straight and ONLY to macy's |
| 17:32.55 | Intangir | but thats a lesser issue.. |
| 17:33.10 | Intangir | thats not like his main platform hes running on |
| 17:33.14 | sag_ich_nicht | which is my point in that case, either STOP funding them, or force them into the peoples interest which is free(not as in beer) access to those means of communication. |
| 17:33.14 | Intangir | theres other more important issues |
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| 17:33.31 | Intangir | sag_ich_nicht: he would veto their appropriations bill |
| 17:33.39 | Intangir | just like hes voted no to every unbalanced bugdget |
| 17:33.44 | cog|work | sag_ich_nicht: I take option 1 |
| 17:33.45 | Intangir | and voted no to ever federal subsidy |
| 17:33.48 | cog|work | sag_ich_nicht: option 2 is evil |
| 17:34.15 | Intangir | problem solved, now i love ron paul again ;) |
| 17:34.18 | Intangir | what else do you not like |
| 17:34.21 | sag_ich_nicht | cog|work: well, you know what happens without those funding? :) |
| 17:34.36 | sag_ich_nicht | +s |
| 17:34.37 | Intangir | they have to fund themselves with their own record profits? |
| 17:34.42 | cog|work | sag_ich_nicht: yes... it stays in taxpayers pockets and goes towards things that people are actually voluntarily willing to pay for? |
| 17:34.49 | Intangir | they are open to free market competition, which always benefits the consumer? |
| 17:34.52 | Intangir | us? |
| 17:35.11 | Lunessa | Never forget - networks aren't free to build or maintain. Someone, somewhere, wants to get paid for the cables, the digging, the satellites, the routers, the employee time. Companies which provide the service want to control the service they provide. *shrug* Somewhere in all of this there will be a solution. |
| 17:35.15 | Intangir | everyone lives happily ever after ;) |
| 17:35.38 | Intangir | free market would provide a solution |
| 17:35.42 | cog|work | sag_ich_nicht: don't even think about saying the technology wouldn't exist because that's utter bs |
| 17:35.46 | Intangir | plus theres alternative technologies |
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| 17:36.02 | Intangir | wireless is growing.. |
| 17:36.08 | Intangir | good or bad.. |
| 17:36.18 | Intangir | satalite |
| 17:36.26 | Intangir | theres dsl |
| 17:36.28 | Intangir | cable |
| 17:36.34 | Intangir | theres lots of room for innovation |
| 17:36.44 | Josh_Borke | sattelite! |
| 17:36.46 | Intangir | and to the victor go the spoils, instead of 'whoever has the best lobbiests' |
| 17:38.03 | cog|work | IMO, the amount of control a government body has over your daily life should be inversely proportional to the area of its geographic influence |
| 17:38.10 | dreamss | ssweet mojo is bugged, u can morph in ur moungt |
| 17:38.27 | cog|work | A homeowners association should be able to tell you what you're allowed to keep in your front yard but the federal government shouldn't |
| 17:38.42 | Josh_Borke | happy birthday cog|work |
| 17:38.48 | cog|work | =D |
| 17:39.08 | sag_ich_nicht | [18:35] <cog|work> sag_ich_nicht: don't even think about saying the technology wouldn't exist because that's utter bs <--but how exactly would the technology CONTINUE to work if not enforced by the government? did you notice the cogent/france telecom blackholing incident a few years ago? |
| 17:39.22 | cog|work | Huh? |
| 17:39.31 | cog|work | Intel seems to be working fine |
| 17:39.33 | cog|work | as does AMD |
| 17:39.48 | cog|work | as do literally thousands of other companies who are not directly in the pockets of our government |
| 17:39.54 | sag_ich_nicht | oh i'm not talking about hardware directly |
| 17:40.01 | cog|work | neither am i |
| 17:40.06 | sag_ich_nicht | i'm talking about networks in this case, and the internet more specificially |
| 17:40.31 | cog|work | you're not making a point... |
| 17:40.49 | cog|work | what about networks wouldn't work if the government didn't get involved? |
| 17:41.38 | Intangir | he may be worse off than we thought |
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| 17:41.51 | sag_ich_nicht | oh networks would work... but the internet wouldn't. you know how there are peering contracts between the different carriers? |
| 17:41.52 | Intangir | government isnt needed for the internet to function |
| 17:41.57 | Intangir | government doesnt make technology happen |
| 17:42.03 | cog|work | sag_ich_nicht: who says? |
| 17:42.13 | sag_ich_nicht | what |
| 17:42.17 | sag_ich_nicht | ? |
| 17:42.23 | cog|work | how the hell do you know that the internet wouldn't work without the government? |
| 17:42.25 | Intangir | ya peering contracts are private agreements, not government decree or law |
| 17:42.31 | cog|work | exactly |
| 17:42.34 | Intangir | its profitable to provide these services |
| 17:42.36 | Intangir | thats why it happens |
| 17:42.52 | Thunder_Child | firefox 3.0 beta1 is out |
| 17:42.57 | sag_ich_nicht | Thunder_Child: OLD NEWS |
| 17:43.09 | Thunder_Child | sag_ich_nicht, for everyone? |
| 17:43.17 | cog|work | for me |
| 17:43.19 | cog|work | :P |
| 17:43.45 | Intangir | oh ya has anyone else had issues with vent3 |
| 17:43.47 | Intangir | i cant get it to work |
| 17:43.49 | Intangir | i cant connect |
| 17:43.56 | Intangir | i start up the server with 3, and then cant connect |
| 17:44.02 | Intangir | gets stuck saying 'contacting server' |
| 17:44.12 | Intangir | 2.3 works fine |
| 17:44.21 | Intangir | i can connect to some 3.0 servers, but not all |
| 17:44.22 | Lopeppeppy | Is your firewall/virus program having an issue recognizing the program upgrade and blocking it? |
| 17:44.28 | Intangir | no |
| 17:44.34 | Intangir | its the same ports and all too |
| 17:44.49 | Intangir | even connecting locally (behind the firewall already) |
| 17:44.50 | Intangir | doesnt work |
| 17:44.54 | Lopeppeppy | There is a 3.1 version out already, maybe there's a bugfix in it for you? |
| 17:44.55 | malreth | the lightroom sdk is wonderfully object-oriented |
| 17:45.00 | Intangir | ah maybe so |
| 17:45.09 | cog|work | :P |
| 17:45.14 | malreth | with view-controller design principles |
| 17:45.30 | malreth | ah... if only the wow addon api were like that |
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| 17:45.44 | Intangir | sag_ich_nicht: im getting the feeling your a bit confused as to the details of most of the things you say you dont like about ron paul |
| 17:45.55 | cog|work | sag_ich_nicht: you know not to take anything i say personally right? I absolutely dispise your political views but that's as far as i'll go with the hate ;) |
| 17:45.58 | sag_ich_nicht | cog|work: sorry, people keep talking to me on vent and IRL, i'm a bit busy :P |
| 17:46.02 | Intangir | i think if you looked into these issues more carefully youd see ron paul is the only guy running who will actually improve your way of life |
| 17:46.07 | sag_ich_nicht | cog|work: not like i care |
| 17:46.40 | Intangir | cog|work: i wouldnt consider his opinion's views.. view implies you actually see something ;) |
| 17:46.47 | cog|work | Intangir: I've used pretty much those exact words in various circumstances :P |
| 17:46.50 | Intangir | more like political blurs ;) |
| 17:46.55 | sag_ich_nicht | Intangir: i don't like any of the candiates :P |
| 17:47.04 | malreth | views should the interfaced with controllers |
| 17:47.20 | Intangir | ok well as long as your not voting for any of the rest of the CFR NWO scumbags thats better than nothing |
| 17:47.25 | Intangir | well.. actually that is nothing ;) |
| 17:47.30 | Intangir | but thats better than helping the traitors |
| 17:48.08 | Lunessa | And you wonder why people respond negatively to you when you call them "traitors"? |
| 17:48.21 | Intangir | CFR members are traitors |
| 17:48.27 | Intangir | they want to end american soverenty |
| 17:48.37 | Intangir | that is by defintion .. seditious i guess i should say |
| 17:48.40 | Lunessa | Sorry.. what's CFR? |
| 17:48.45 | Intangir | council on foreign relations |
| 17:49.02 | Intangir | its an organization that wants to end national soverety world wide, and set up a world government |
| 17:49.08 | cog|work | it's a "neocon think tank", as current political parlance would have it |
| 17:49.13 | Intangir | all the other candidates except kucinich are members |
| 17:49.20 | Intangir | ron paul and kucinich are the only two not members |
| 17:49.44 | Lunessa | I have trouble deciding if you're serious, seriously confused, or listen to a strange mix of Air America and Fox News, or what. |
| 17:49.57 | Intangir | lol, no look it up |
| 17:50.01 | Intangir | theres a wikipedia entry and everything ;) |
| 17:50.10 | Lunessa | No, I'll take your word for it. |
| 17:50.10 | Intangir | its their stated goal |
| 17:50.11 | cog|work | Lunessa: he's a bit over the top in some of his indictments, but fundamentally, he's got it right |
| 17:50.21 | Intangir | they think thats thats the next evolution of society/government |
| 17:50.35 | malreth | well why wouldn't it be? |
| 17:50.44 | Intangir | because it takes rights away from the common man |
| 17:50.46 | Intangir | it is against us |
| 17:50.51 | Lunessa | Actually, I suspect that there will come a time when there is only one "world government" but I fear that day. |
| 17:50.55 | Intangir | the higher and higher the power structure moves up, the lower and lower the common man is.. |
| 17:51.01 | Intangir | the fewer rights we have |
| 17:51.01 | Intangir | the fewer recourse we have |
| 17:51.01 | malreth | but if they're in charge, shouldn't they have that power? |
| 17:51.19 | Intangir | no |
| 17:51.22 | Intangir | the people shuld have the power |
| 17:51.25 | Intangir | what country are you from again? |
| 17:51.33 | Intangir | US history 101, WE THE PEOPLE |
| 17:51.40 | Intangir | in order to form a more perfect union |
| 17:51.41 | cog|work | heh. yeah |
| 17:51.44 | malreth | yes, we are people but we are only people |
| 17:51.53 | cog|work | I love when people say "the constitution gives you the right..." BULLSHIT |
| 17:51.54 | Lopeppeppy | The lizards have the vote. |
| 17:51.59 | Intangir | why should a few people have power over the other 7billion of us |
| 17:52.09 | sag_ich_nicht | problem is, at the moment, these contracts are mostly about routing and less about actual physical access to the networks. now think what happens when you give them free market. sure, it will work. for a while. but then people start getting greedy. without a proper control organ supported politically, you will get blackhole routings like the one between cogent and france telekom all the time (sorry this took so long t |
| 17:52.12 | Lunessa | Intangir: Fewer new lines, more coherent thought please. |
| 17:52.17 | cog|work | We the people granted the government rights |
| 17:52.17 | malreth | because the population wishes that |
| 17:52.30 | sag_ich_nicht | (i'm trying to give you a link for that incident since you don't know about it, cog|work) |
| 17:52.33 | Intangir | malreth: the population wishes to be victumized? not me.. |
| 17:52.45 | malreth | as long as the people are happy, who cares how we're goverened |
| 17:53.04 | Intangir | im only happy if i have my life, liberty and pursuit of happiness |
| 17:53.07 | malreth | you're only unhappy about it because you think about it too much |
| 17:53.10 | malreth | it's like sex... |
| 17:53.21 | cog|work | sag_ich_nicht: I'll bet you anything it wasn't a truly free market |
| 17:53.32 | malreth | think to hard about it and *peeeeewwwwwww* Jr. Intangir shrivels up |
| 17:53.44 | cog|work | sag_ich_nicht: if it were, competition would take over and the company doing the dirty dealings would be weeded out or be forced to change its ways |
| 17:53.49 | Lunessa | I can't be sure that a truly free market has actually existed on earth, like... ever. |
| 17:54.17 | Intangir | Lunessa: ya problably not, but its a good ideal to strive for |
| 17:54.21 | cog|work | the US has come the closest in modern history |
| 17:54.33 | Lunessa | cog|work: /agreed. |
| 17:54.46 | sag_ich_nicht | cog|work: for that assumption to be correct, the standard internet user would have to know what a routing protocol is :P |
| 17:55.13 | Intangir | sag_ich_nicht: wrong |
| 17:55.29 | cog|work | sag_ich_nicht: that's immaterial. the point is that in a free market there are inherit controls against things like that |
| 17:55.34 | Josh_Borke | how do i print landscape in vim? |
| 17:55.35 | sag_ich_nicht | [18:53] <cog|work> sag_ich_nicht: I'll bet you anything it wasn't a truly free market <--peerings are already a pretty free market, you just can't do what they do virtually with depeerings and blackhole routing already physically |
| 17:55.46 | cog|work | "pretty free" is not free |
| 17:56.08 | malreth | ah... this has been fun but i gotta go... bbl |
| 17:56.10 | Intangir | check this out.. |
| 17:56.35 | Intangir | http://www.un.org/Overview/rights.html |
| 17:56.57 | Intangir | this is why i hate world government |
| 17:56.59 | Intangir | you have these rights |
| 17:56.59 | sag_ich_nicht | cog|work: i know the concept of a free market, and i'm in support of it, but i doubt that it can work AT THE MOMENT, not in general, because the transition there is going to take a long time. |
| 17:57.00 | Intangir | unless... |
| 17:57.18 | Intangir | 29.3. These rights and freedoms may in no case be exercised contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations. |
| 17:57.25 | cog|work | sag_ich_nicht: that's a cop out |
| 17:57.40 | cog|work | the simple fact is that people are resistant to change |
| 17:57.49 | cog|work | and want the government to be their nanny |
| 17:58.39 | Intangir | ya thats the problem , they think that government WILL be their nanny |
| 17:58.51 | Intangir | so far all its done has made promises it cant and doesnt want to keep |
| 17:59.17 | Intangir | social security is completely falling apart |
| 17:59.22 | Intangir | welfare .. just doesnt work |
| 17:59.32 | Intangir | its ruined entire towns, thousands of lives |
| 17:59.37 | sag_ich_nicht | my social security works pretty well |
| 17:59.59 | cog|work | social security is a ponzi scheme in the us |
| 18:00.17 | sag_ich_nicht | of course, my tax is probably 6 times what yours is, but of course, you don't want government run social security either, mhm? :P |
| 18:00.29 | Lunessa | Mostly, people want government to make other people do things. No one wants government to tell /them/ what to do - just those other assholes who don't get with the program. |
| 18:00.50 | cog|work | yep. and ron paul says "leave us the fuck alone" |
| 18:01.02 | sag_ich_nicht | mhm okay |
| 18:01.06 | sag_ich_nicht | you already have that |
| 18:01.44 | Lunessa | At the moment, I have no take on any of the current crop of presidential hopefuls OTHER than Mrs. Clinton. And I pray daily that no one is stupid enough to elect her. |
| 18:01.55 | sag_ich_nicht | because in this case, your social security system and healthcare system works well, cog|work. rich people can get the best treatment there is, and poor people die on the street. free market :) |
| 18:02.18 | cog|work | sag_ich_nicht: wrong |
| 18:02.23 | sag_ich_nicht | cog|work how so |
| 18:02.25 | Intangir | Lunessa: you just earned 4000 rep with intangir faction |
| 18:02.36 | art3mis | common if we elect her we get 4 years of wacky bill hijinx |
| 18:02.47 | art3mis | thats totlly worth it |
| 18:02.51 | Intangir | sag_ich_nicht: youve gone from neutral to hated with intangir faction |
| 18:02.52 | Lunessa | Intangir: You're one of the /other assholes/ too, you know? |
| 18:03.06 | Intangir | Lunessa: what? |
| 18:03.16 | sag_ich_nicht | Intangir: if you turn this personal i'll turn it personal too. want that? |
| 18:03.18 | cog|work | well, not wrong but misguided |
| 18:03.24 | art3mis | inta: he's asking if you wanna have sex |
| 18:03.24 | Intangir | sag_ich_nicht: im just playing |
| 18:03.35 | cog|work | first off, health care is a bad example |
| 18:03.35 | sag_ich_nicht | Intangir go play somewhere else then |
| 18:03.35 | Lunessa | Scroll up to see my comment above the clinton one. |
| 18:03.37 | Intangir | but ya my agro range is wide |
| 18:03.46 | cog|work | again, it's not a free market |
| 18:03.50 | Intangir | i dont want governemnt to tell me how to live, or tell anyone what to do |
| 18:03.54 | sag_ich_nicht | cog|work no, it's not. either you give free market on everything, or you can throw the concept out of the window |
| 18:03.54 | Intangir | so .. im not one of thoese other assholes |
| 18:03.59 | sag_ich_nicht | cog|work: how so? :P |
| 18:04.02 | art3mis | intangir: you mean your gravitational pull? *snickers* |
| 18:04.13 | cog|work | there is so much regulatory garbage in the mix |
| 18:04.22 | cog|work | sag_ich_nicht: that's exactly it... give me free market everything |
| 18:04.27 | Lunessa | The best thing about American politics is this: Long before you have enough people angry enough to have a revolution, you've already voted the other assholes out of power. |
| 18:04.44 | sag_ich_nicht | cog|work: by free market everything means, i am a doctor, if i pretend hard enough to be one. |
| 18:05.10 | Intangir | Lunessa: im not one of the 'other assholes'.. |
| 18:05.14 | cog|work | sag_ich_nicht: umm no... there are plenty of certification boards and other governing bodies that have no ties with government |
| 18:05.21 | Lunessa | sag_ich_nicht: and after you've killed someone stupid enough to believe you, you'll no longer be in the dr racket. |
| 18:05.39 | sag_ich_nicht | cog|work: how are they different from a government? |
| 18:05.46 | Lunessa | Intangir: EVERYONE is one of the "other assholes." Everyone. |
| 18:05.50 | cog|work | they don't have the force of law behind them |
| 18:05.58 | zenzelezz | hrm, I seem to have managed to only loot the Badge from two of the four bosses in Underbog |
| 18:05.58 | Intangir | i dont get what you said then |
| 18:05.59 | cog|work | it's entirely voluntary |
| 18:06.27 | Intangir | or i guess your also one of the 'other assholes' from my point of view, but i have no wish for goverenment to tell you how to live, other than for government to tell you not to impede on my liberty |
| 18:06.37 | sag_ich_nicht | Lunessa: so i just bribe the people that would tell anyone about it and kill the ones that wouldn't listen. police is a free market, too, of course. that just doesn't work. |
| 18:07.20 | Intangir | they should make a government board game ;) |
| 18:07.20 | cog|work | sag_ich_nicht: works better than the government... |
| 18:07.22 | Intangir | you pick a form of government |
| 18:07.25 | Intangir | and then you try to do stuff |
| 18:07.30 | Lunessa | Intangir: You're going to be in favor of laws which make people behave how YOU think they should. Everyone feels that way. Everyone. Varying degrees of political enlightenment occur when you understand, see, and accept that. |
| 18:07.31 | cog|work | sag_ich_nicht: no one is trying to claim utopia |
| 18:07.41 | Intangir | and you use tools of the government to get thru the game, like, coverups, false flags, rigged elections, invasions etc hehehe |
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| 18:07.59 | Intangir | Lunessa: no, thats not true at all |
| 18:08.05 | sag_ich_nicht | and seeing how there are enough "health practicers" already out there |
| 18:08.09 | Lunessa | Actually, it's very true. |
| 18:08.13 | Intangir | thats where we differ |
| 18:08.16 | cog|work | sag_ich_nicht: but there's no arguing that freer countries do better |
| 18:08.26 | Intangir | and NO ITS NOT TRUE |
| 18:08.34 | Intangir | i dont care WHAT people do as long as it doesnt effect my liberty |
| 18:08.37 | Intangir | if gays want to get married GOOD |
| 18:08.51 | Intangir | if people want to burn flags, fine, if people want to smoke pot, who cares |
| 18:08.55 | sag_ich_nicht | that got exposed only after YEARS of misstreatment, an absolutely free market would ease the work of such people immensly |
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| 18:09.02 | sag_ich_nicht | [19:08] <cog|work> sag_ich_nicht: but there's no arguing that freer countries do better <--how so? |
| 18:09.08 | cog|work | umm... |
| 18:09.11 | Lunessa | You want the government to tell me I can't infringe on your liberty. By definition, that means you're in favor of a law thar I might be in favor of. To me, that makes you "one of the other assholes" and vice versa. |
| 18:09.12 | cog|work | hello? |
| 18:09.14 | Intangir | lol |
| 18:09.16 | sag_ich_nicht | and that also depends on your defintiion of "freer" |
| 18:09.19 | cog|work | you live on this planet right? |
| 18:09.43 | Intangir | Lunessa: your just being ridiculous now.. |
| 18:09.48 | sag_ich_nicht | cog|work: unless we're all stuck in the matrix, yes |
| 18:09.51 | cog|work | Look how the countries living under oppressive dictators are living |
| 18:09.51 | sag_ich_nicht | i mean |
| 18:09.58 | sag_ich_nicht | which "freer" are you talking |
| 18:09.59 | Lunessa | No - I'm being politically honest and cynical. |
| 18:10.00 | cog|work | versus those that are free |
| 18:10.04 | Intangir | i believe in liberty, i dont believe in nanny states, police states, thought policing or any of that other shit |
| 18:10.30 | Intangir | protecting liberty is not telling people how to live |
| 18:10.34 | cog|work | Intangir: he has a point... believing in liberty necessarily means forcing others to accept your liberty |
| 18:10.36 | Intangir | its the most fundemntal protection |
| 18:10.36 | sag_ich_nicht | are you talking "non-totalitarian" free, are you talking "free market free", are you talking "free to kill people" free? |
| 18:11.03 | sag_ich_nicht | cog|work: i was questioning your question, not what you meant with it :P |
| 18:11.06 | Intangir | thats like saying that all atoms are combustible because they all contain 1 proton and electron like hydrogen |
| 18:11.08 | Lunessa | Thanks cog|work - I knew you'd get the point. |
| 18:11.10 | Intangir | which is combustible.. |
| 18:11.20 | cog|work | Intangir: exactly :) |
| 18:11.26 | Intangir | but they arent all combustible |
| 18:11.28 | cog|work | reductio ad absurdum |
| 18:11.32 | cog|work | or however it's spelled |
| 18:11.36 | cog|work | but it's still true :) |
| 18:12.00 | sag_ich_nicht | -question +argument |
| 18:12.06 | Lunessa | cog|work: Yes, I took logic too. ;) |
| 18:12.08 | sag_ich_nicht | because your argument could be interpreted in literally thousands of means, so either spell out what you meant with it or go away with such a generalized argument |
| 18:12.09 | sag_ich_nicht | :P |
| 18:12.26 | cog|work | sag_ich_nicht: free in the anarcho-capitalist sense |
| 18:12.55 | cog|work | you have the right to do anything you want with your person and your property as long as you respect that equal right in others |
| 18:13.19 | Lunessa | Your liberty ends at my property line. :) |
| 18:13.51 | cog|work | your right to swing your fist ends exactly to where my nose begins |
| 18:13.58 | Lunessa | Yup. |
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| 18:14.06 | cog|work | s/y to/y/ |
| 18:14.47 | Thunder_Child | i always put it that you can do whatever you want as long as it does not affect anyone else |
| 18:15.20 | Intangir | but the faintest flapping of a butterflys wings could help cause a tsunami on the other side of the world eventually |
| 18:15.24 | Intangir | so.. |
| 18:15.26 | Intangir | your always effecting everyone! WOOO |
| 18:15.42 | Thunder_Child | <-- is not a butterfly |
| 18:15.42 | sag_ich_nicht | [19:10] <Intangir> i believe in liberty, i dont believe in nanny states, police states, thought policing or any of that other shit <--neither do i. i life in a country where i have a free choice between taking the healthcare the state provides me with, paying everything myself, or pay a company to do it for me, or a mix of it. :P my problem with the US is that there is no basics supplied by the state. it's pay or die |
| 18:15.48 | Intangir | see how absurd that logic is ;) |
| 18:16.22 | Intangir | we pay anyway |
| 18:16.26 | Intangir | when you pay taxes your paying anyway |
| 18:16.36 | Intangir | when your forced to pay for a service you wont even use, whats the fairness in that? |
| 18:16.53 | cog|work | seriously... |
| 18:17.00 | Intangir | when you work and your taxed and that money is used to fund the murder of millions half a world away that are no threat to you |
| 18:17.07 | Intangir | while thousands of your own countrymen die in the process |
| 18:17.10 | Intangir | whats the fairness in that.. |
| 18:17.33 | Intangir | so that a corporation can cahrge me more for gas |
| 18:17.36 | Intangir | charge ME MORE |
| 18:17.50 | sag_ich_nicht | Intangir: if i decide to abandon the social security the state provides me with, i can get myself a tax refund. (there are a lot of bureaucratically blocks to that here, true enough, i'm pissed about that, but that's besides the point :P) |
| 18:18.11 | Intangir | the key shouldnt be opting out |
| 18:18.12 | cog|work | sag_ich_nicht: that's not the case in most situations |
| 18:18.14 | Intangir | it should be opting in.. |
| 18:18.19 | cog|work | and that |
| 18:18.20 | Intangir | if its a CHOICE< i could CHOOSE to do it |
| 18:18.23 | Lunessa | sag_ich_nicht: Actually - more often then not, there's ways to get care you need. They just suck. |
| 18:18.24 | sag_ich_nicht | cog|work: which is a problem :P |
| 18:18.25 | Intangir | not CHOOSE not to do it (which i cant) |
| 18:19.00 | Intangir | health care in this country was better 60 years ago... |
| 18:19.03 | cladhaire | why does this nonsense always start |
| 18:19.04 | Intangir | we had doctors making house calls |
| 18:19.05 | cladhaire | is this a new weekly pastime? |
| 18:19.10 | Intangir | we had fewer sicknesses |
| 18:19.11 | Intangir | fewer sick people |
| 18:19.18 | cladhaire | whats the point please? |
| 18:19.25 | cog|work | cladhaire: nothing better to talk about? |
| 18:19.28 | Thunder_Child | then you have 3 options, 1.Ignore it and hope it goes away 2. Try to change it 3. Move. now, stop bitcthing |
| 18:19.30 | Intangir | wow gets old |
| 18:19.39 | cladhaire | yes, i'ma ware of that |
| 18:19.40 | cladhaire | but you're bitchiong |
| 18:19.41 | cladhaire | like you do |
| 18:19.43 | cog|work | nah |
| 18:19.51 | cladhaire | its less of a conversation and more of a pulpit |
| 18:19.52 | Intangir | we are all having a discussion |
| 18:19.53 | cog|work | I love discussions like this |
| 18:19.54 | Intangir | its multisided |
| 18:20.02 | sag_ich_nicht | cladhaire what's your political standpoint? :P |
| 18:20.02 | Intangir | read up |
| 18:20.10 | cladhaire | I have,. thanks. |
| 18:20.19 | Intangir | im not even the one saying most of the stuff |
| 18:20.49 | sag_ich_nicht | because i wanna play WoW now, but i don't wanna abandon this discussion because then someone is just going to go "ha, i'm right and you admit defeat by going away" :P |
| 18:20.50 | cog|work | cladhaire: feel free to tell us to stop, but I think we're all being pretty civil and I don't see any addon-related conversations going unaddressed... |
| 18:20.58 | cladhaire | i'm not telling you to stop |
| 18:21.08 | cladhaire | but this is exactly how all of the "civil" conversations have started |
| 18:21.11 | cladhaire | and turned horribly wrong |
| 18:21.14 | cladhaire | so i ask that you keep that in mind. |
| 18:21.15 | sag_ich_nicht | cog|work: government submissive peon |
| 18:21.17 | sag_ich_nicht | :P |
| 18:21.18 | cog|work | sag_ich_nicht: or you could just tell us you're going to play wow and let Intangir think whatever he wants :P |
| 18:21.40 | cog|work | sag_ich_nicht: except that I voluntarily agreed to freenode's rules |
| 18:21.48 | cog|work | by connecting |
| 18:21.57 | Shirik | well not by connecting |
| 18:22.06 | Shirik | by connecting and then performing any command other than QUIT |
| 18:22.10 | Intangir | oh ron paul is gonna be on this radio station |
| 18:22.15 | Intangir | coming up! |
| 18:22.15 | cog|work | Shirik: true |
| 18:22.15 | sag_ich_nicht | cog|work: no, you are free to continue talking, and cladhaire is free to kick you :P |
| 18:22.22 | Intangir | what a coincidence ;) |
| 18:22.24 | Lunessa | Hi cladhaire - I'm getting a taint error from PerfectRaid - do you want the logs? |
| 18:22.29 | cladhaire | no |
| 18:22.35 | Lunessa | Ok. :) |
| 18:22.36 | cladhaire | because its perfectraid tainting itself |
| 18:22.40 | cladhaire | what is it saying failed? |
| 18:22.51 | sag_ich_nicht | cog|work: telling him you are going to stop before the kick was my point :P |
| 18:22.53 | Lunessa | Let me look... One sec. |
| 18:23.08 | sag_ich_nicht | (hint: it's a joke, don't take it serious) |
| 18:23.13 | cog|work | sag_ich_nicht: I took it for granted that not being kicked was one of my motivations :P |
| 18:23.22 | cog|work | sag_ich_nicht: (i know... i just like to argue :P ) |
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| 18:23.27 | cladhaire | you guys can talk about everything you want |
| 18:23.29 | sag_ich_nicht | cog|work: government submissive peon! |
| 18:23.38 | sag_ich_nicht | wait |
| 18:23.40 | cladhaire | but forgive me for recognizing Intangir's history in the channel at the moment. |
| 18:23.40 | Thunder_Child | pfft, cladhaire kicks at the drop of a hat...you cant go by that |
| 18:23.45 | sag_ich_nicht | i should stop insulting peons |
| 18:23.45 | cladhaire | Its about as shiny as dreamss |
| 18:23.51 | sag_ich_nicht | otherwise they will start training gruns |
| 18:23.52 | sag_ich_nicht | *grunts |
| 18:23.52 | Intangir | sag_ich_nicht: if your not voting anyway i guess i could mostly care less what your opinion is, well as long as your not running around badmouthing ron paul |
| 18:23.55 | Lunessa | clad - Gah. Log is on my machine at home. Not this USB drive. Sorry. I'm getting the blocked message while soloing or in a group, but not in a raid. |
| 18:23.57 | sag_ich_nicht | and then i'm in trouble |
| 18:24.08 | dreamss | cladhaire, fuck you? |
| 18:24.14 | cladhaire | dreamss: no thanks? |
| 18:24.15 | cog|work | cladhaire: I think the fact that I agree with Intangir on a fundamental level is keeping him more civil... He doesn't feel like a man against the world in this case |
| 18:24.18 | sag_ich_nicht | Intangir: i am going to bad mouth him all day, thank you very much |
| 18:24.31 | Intangir | thats pretty lousy of you |
| 18:24.34 | cladhaire | cog|work: that's fine, i'm just saying _something_ |
| 18:24.35 | sag_ich_nicht | i am going to do the same for all other candidates, too, tho |
| 18:24.52 | Intangir | well thats better |
| 18:24.53 | Intangir | lol |
| 18:25.09 | dreamss | sounds like cladhaire has to feel important on irc |
| 18:25.13 | dreamss | lets all play along |
| 18:25.13 | Intangir | what grounds do you bad mouth the others on? |
| 18:25.14 | cladhaire | clearly |
| 18:25.16 | cog|work | If I ever start a country, the only official body would be an arbiter of last resort |
| 18:25.23 | cladhaire | dreamss: how is that? |
| 18:25.32 | Thunder_Child | you care enough to insult them, but not vote for them....hypocrite |
| 18:25.33 | cog|work | Intangir: freedom of speech? :P |
| 18:25.39 | dreamss | cladhaire, if ur so smart you get sarcasm |
| 18:25.47 | sag_ich_nicht | Thunder_Child: mhm |
| 18:25.50 | sag_ich_nicht | i suggest |
| 18:25.53 | sag_ich_nicht | you do a /whois sag_ich_nicht |
| 18:25.57 | Intangir | cog|work: hrm? |
| 18:25.58 | cladhaire | ... |
| 18:26.03 | sag_ich_nicht | and then put my ip into a reverse DNS lookup |
| 18:26.05 | Thunder_Child | eh, i dont care enough |
| 18:26.07 | cog|work | <Intangir>what grounds do you bad mouth the others on? |
| 18:26.15 | cog|work | i was being a smart ass :P |
| 18:26.19 | Intangir | no i mean what does he have to say against them |
| 18:26.22 | Thunder_Child | but i will insult you! |
| 18:26.27 | dreamss | fn'sag_ich_nicht> and then put my ip into a reverse DNS lookup |
| 18:26.30 | dreamss | u cant |
| 18:26.33 | Intangir | hes probably not from the US |
| 18:26.51 | sag_ich_nicht | dreamss what |
| 18:27.04 | sag_ich_nicht | is freenodes whois being dumb again? |
| 18:27.21 | sag_ich_nicht | oh no, it's fixed, and already showing the FQDN |
| 18:27.23 | sag_ich_nicht | okay fine |
| 18:27.28 | sag_ich_nicht | no reverse DNS lookup needed then :P |
| 18:27.32 | dreamss | wait whats the issue |
| 18:27.36 | Intangir | 85.127.110.113 |
| 18:27.44 | dreamss | tought u wanted to change ur ip dns |
| 18:27.46 | sag_ich_nicht | that's a DNS lookup :P |
| 18:27.49 | sag_ich_nicht | dreamss: no |
| 18:28.06 | sag_ich_nicht | dreamss: my point was Thunder_Child seeing the .at at the end of the FQDN of my IP :P |
| 18:28.15 | dreamss | oh |
| 18:28.25 | Thunder_Child | (of which he doesnt care about) |
| 18:28.32 | cog|work | Intangir: re: the UN thingy... that has always pissed me off |
| 18:28.33 | sag_ich_nicht | [19:25] <Thunder_Child> you care enough to insult them, but not vote for them....hypocrite <--i care enough for myself to recognize that all of the candidates suck, and don't like beeing a hypocrite by supporting "the lesser of two evils" |
| 18:28.36 | dreamss | i need to change my vhost |
| 18:28.37 | dreamss | hmm |
| 18:28.55 | Intangir | cog|work: the 'you have these rights unless we say you dont' thing ;) hahahaha |
| 18:28.58 | Intangir | ya thats so screwed up |
| 18:29.09 | Intangir | it also says you have the right to defense provided by society or the state |
| 18:29.12 | Intangir | but not to self defense |
| 18:29.18 | Intangir | you dont have the right to defend yourself according to the UN |
| 18:29.35 | Intangir | you know that big sculture infront of the UN building of a gun tied in a knot |
| 18:29.35 | cladhaire | my vote doesn't matter |
| 18:29.39 | cladhaire | does that make me a bad person? |
| 18:29.56 | Intangir | it was made from melted down guns they took from africans before they were murdered by rebels using guns sold to them by UN charter member nations |
| 18:29.57 | cladhaire | (if i don't vote) |
| 18:30.02 | sag_ich_nicht | Intangir stop beating the dead horse, your argument is about the formulating of words whos intend is GOOD. doesn't mean the person who wrote them was the best writer in all history |
| 18:30.40 | Intangir | sag_ich_nicht: it was a deliberate line to repeal all your rights |
| 18:30.46 | Intangir | its not a 'bad writer' who intended good |
| 18:31.14 | Intangir | under world government you will have no rights |
| 18:31.17 | Intangir | you will have privileges |
| 18:31.18 | dreamss | the first thing that has to change in the US is how presidents are elected |
| 18:31.20 | dreamss | : |
| 18:31.24 | Intangir | by definition if your 'rights' can be taken away, they arent rights |
| 18:31.24 | sag_ich_nicht | dreamss yes |
| 18:31.25 | sag_ich_nicht | i agreee |
| 18:31.26 | sag_ich_nicht | -e |
| 18:31.37 | sag_ich_nicht | by definition, law is virtual and my gun is physical |
| 18:32.01 | sag_ich_nicht | :P |
| 18:32.07 | Intangir | dreamss: ya i think the system is broken also |
| 18:32.14 | Intangir | well iknow its broken, in many ways |
| 18:32.16 | Intangir | many many ways.. |
| 18:32.25 | sag_ich_nicht | no. it's broken in a simple way. |
| 18:32.39 | Intangir | its broken in many ways, at many levels of the process |
| 18:33.03 | sag_ich_nicht | no, the break is simple. it doesn't count who got the most votes. |
| 18:33.05 | dreamss | fix the voting system and shit will change |
| 18:33.15 | Intangir | sag_ich_nicht: thats one of them |
| 18:33.24 | cog|work | dreamss: SERIOUSLY! |
| 18:33.32 | cog|work | range voting 4tw! |
| 18:33.46 | Intangir | 35% of the votes are counted by machines with no paper trail, not auditable |
| 18:33.50 | Intangir | and proven to be easily hackable by anyone |
| 18:33.54 | Intangir | remotely |
| 18:34.03 | Intangir | repeatedly.. in many states/countries on a dozen machines |
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| 18:34.09 | dreamss | gotta fix shit at the root |
| 18:34.11 | sag_ich_nicht | no, that's the only broken thing about it, because if you fix that, all the other things that are broken about it will fall automatically. |
| 18:34.12 | cog|work | Intangir: the physical voting isn't really an issue |
| 18:34.14 | sag_ich_nicht | we are talking about the system |
| 18:34.15 | dreamss | but noone thinks that |
| 18:34.17 | cog|work | the whole voting system itself |
| 18:34.18 | Intangir | programmers from 3 of the companies have come forward saying they were paid to allow the machines to be easily rigged |
| 18:34.19 | cog|work | is the problem |
| 18:34.20 | sag_ich_nicht | not the way it's implemented |
| 18:34.28 | Intangir | cog|work: having a physical paper trail is |
| 18:34.29 | dreamss | aka how bush won 2 times |
| 18:34.42 | sag_ich_nicht | SYSTEM != IMPLEMENTATION :X |
| 18:34.51 | cog|work | Intangir: take for granted that electronic voting machines work. The system is still broken |
| 18:34.51 | Intangir | bush didnt even get elected in 2000 |
| 18:34.53 | cog|work | horribly |
| 18:34.56 | Intangir | he was declared winner by the supreme court |
| 18:35.02 | Intangir | before the recount was even done |
| 18:35.18 | Intangir | and theres over 200,000 cases of lost votes in california alone |
| 18:35.29 | Intangir | he won by 300 something the first count |
| 18:35.35 | cog|work | Intangir: that's a completely different issue |
| 18:35.41 | Intangir | thats a pretty big issue |
| 18:35.45 | dreamss | heh |
| 18:35.49 | cog|work | but not the one dreamss brought up |
| 18:36.11 | dreamss | also make new presidents read art of war |
| 18:36.12 | dreamss | and have an IQ test |
| 18:36.13 | Intangir | he 'won' 2 times because of several factors |
| 18:36.13 | dreamss | : |
| 18:36.20 | Intangir | lol art of war.. |
| 18:36.27 | Intangir | well id rather they read 'art of peace' hahaha |
| 18:36.36 | Intangir | and ya they do take IQ tests |
| 18:36.44 | Intangir | george bush has one of the lowest iqs in US history |
| 18:36.49 | dreamss | bush cheated? |
| 18:36.50 | dreamss | heh |
| 18:36.51 | Intangir | clinton has one of the highest |
| 18:36.52 | cog|work | http://rangevoting.org/ |
| 18:37.04 | Intangir | which is scary.. |
| 18:37.08 | Intangir | oh ron paul is on the radio now! |
| 18:37.16 | Intangir | http://www.gcnlive.com/listenlive.htm |
| 18:37.41 | sag_ich_nicht | [19:36] <Intangir> well id rather they read 'art of peace' hahaha <--if you had read art of war, you'd know that is actually a pretty acurate title for it, too. |
| 18:37.54 | Intangir | ya ive read it |
| 18:38.26 | sag_ich_nicht | then stop complaining :P |
| 18:38.44 | Intangir | well theres more to being a president than foreign conflicts |
| 18:39.05 | dreamss | heh |
| 18:39.07 | sag_ich_nicht | art of war isn't just about actually HAVING a war |
| 18:39.10 | sag_ich_nicht | geez |
| 18:39.12 | Intangir | my poin tis art of war doesnt have anything about managing your country |
| 18:39.20 | Hallucinosis | Another part of being president is making the dollar worth less. |
| 18:39.22 | sag_ich_nicht | ... |
| 18:39.22 | dreamss | LOL |
| 18:39.31 | Intangir | Hallucinosis: lol |
| 18:39.33 | dreamss | actually it does intan |
| 18:39.36 | dreamss | rread it |
| 18:39.49 | Intangir | i did, i dont recall that ,it was all about how to handle situations with rivals |
| 18:39.57 | Intangir | not nessisarily waring with them |
| 18:40.01 | Intangir | but how to win conflicts |
| 18:40.12 | dreamss | "war is not worth it.. cost to feed an army and transportation will be far greater.." "only fight when u allready won" |
| 18:40.49 | Intangir | sag_ich_nicht: ah your giving up cause you know your wrong ;) |
| 18:40.55 | Hallucinosis | All an american president needs to know about foreign relations can be learned in Taming of the Shrew |
| 18:41.21 | dreamss | like i said, american ppl should focus on changing how presidents are voted |
| 18:41.28 | Josh_Borke | bb all |
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| 18:41.29 | dreamss | stop QQ |
| 18:42.35 | Intangir | you know what ticks me off about wow |
| 18:42.42 | Intangir | is when a guildmate says 'QQ more newb' |
| 18:42.44 | Intangir | hahaha fucking rude |
| 18:42.52 | Intangir | guildmates should never say that to eachother |
| 18:43.20 | sag_ich_nicht | QQ more |
| 18:43.21 | sag_ich_nicht | newb |
| 18:43.27 | Intangir | if i had my own guild and i saw someone being that big of a dick to a guildmate, i would boot them |
| 18:43.29 | dreamss | i rather teach someone how to fish |
| 18:43.33 | dreamss | than fish for them |
| 18:43.35 | dreamss | :P |
| 18:43.53 | sag_ich_nicht | i rather give them a book that teaches them how to fish |
| 18:43.57 | Intangir | 'im hungry, i need fish to eat' 'QQ MORE NEWB!' |
| 18:43.58 | Intangir | lol |
| 18:43.58 | sag_ich_nicht | because i don't have the time to do it myself |
| 18:43.59 | Intangir | ;) |
| 18:44.16 | dreamss | yeah sag |
| 18:44.17 | Intangir | that doesnt teach much hahaha |
| 18:44.30 | dreamss | why were u crying? |
| 18:44.33 | Intangir | i got ganked by some asswipe paladin 5 times |
| 18:44.47 | Intangir | he popped 2 bubbles, 2 stuns, a full heal every time |
| 18:44.55 | Intangir | baaarely won every fight |
| 18:45.02 | Shirik | what's "wiederholen" and "abbroachen" |
| 18:45.03 | sag_ich_nicht | what class you playing :P |
| 18:45.03 | dreamss | 1. ask guild to help you |
| 18:45.08 | Intangir | then later when i got the drop on HIM, he is gonna lose, and he bubble hearths ;) |
| 18:45.11 | Intangir | what a jackass |
| 18:45.13 | Shirik | "abbrechen" * |
| 18:45.13 | dreamss | 2. if noone comes leave |
| 18:45.23 | AnduinLothar | spose that's better than being beat by a ret pally that smashed your face in and walked off with 80% hp |
| 18:45.26 | sag_ich_nicht | Shirik: wiederholen=repeat |
| 18:45.34 | sag_ich_nicht | Shirik: abbrechen=abort |
| 18:45.43 | Shirik | stupid installers that don't know how to localize properly >.> |
| 18:45.47 | sag_ich_nicht | lawl |
| 18:45.51 | Intangir | i rarely lose to any class (other than maybe warrior) |
| 18:45.58 | Intangir | so it was so frustrating that he kept barely winning |
| 18:45.58 | Shirik | the rest of the message is in english -_- |
| 18:46.02 | Intangir | everytime i almost killed him he would bubble! |
| 18:46.04 | Intangir | or stun me and heal.. |
| 18:46.07 | Intangir | or .instantly fully heal |
| 18:46.09 | sag_ich_nicht | Intangir you still haven't told us your race and class |
| 18:46.11 | Intangir | its so cheater mode |
| 18:46.14 | Intangir | im rogue |
| 18:46.17 | Intangir | undead rogue |
| 18:46.24 | sag_ich_nicht | i'd beat the shit out of you |
| 18:46.25 | AnduinLothar | lol rogues are ez mode for apally |
| 18:46.36 | dreamss | specially if ur prot |
| 18:46.37 | AnduinLothar | go gank some clothie |
| 18:46.41 | sag_ich_nicht | AnduinLothar: well, i had my fair share of troubles with them BEFORE 2.3 |
| 18:46.43 | Intangir | sag_ich_nicht: what class are you? |
| 18:46.47 | dreamss | how u die as a rogue? |
| 18:46.50 | dreamss | anyways |
| 18:46.51 | sag_ich_nicht | but after that, with pvp spec, i beat the shit out of them |
| 18:46.56 | dreamss | oh shit mode and run away |
| 18:46.58 | sag_ich_nicht | yeah just trinket and vanish |
| 18:47.04 | Intangir | i dont run away |
| 18:47.08 | *** join/#wowi-lounge cncfanatics (i=evolve@115.21-201-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) |
| 18:47.08 | dreamss | ur a rogue |
| 18:47.08 | Intangir | i kept almost killing him |
| 18:47.10 | sag_ich_nicht | then you are not a rogue |
| 18:47.11 | dreamss | use ur class |
| 18:47.14 | Intangir | if it was unwinnable i wouldve run |
| 18:47.16 | Intangir | but i kept almost having him |
| 18:47.23 | dreamss | u gotta make him use his cooldowns |
| 18:47.23 | Intangir | and he kept pulling out another 'god mode' move |
| 18:47.23 | Cide | anyone know of a deformat library? |
| 18:47.27 | dreamss | keep urs |
| 18:47.29 | dreamss | come back |
| 18:47.30 | Shirik | Cide: Deformat? |
| 18:47.31 | dreamss | finish him off |
| 18:47.35 | AnduinLothar | lawl cide |
| 18:47.38 | AnduinLothar | same name |
| 18:47.40 | Intangir | dreamss: ya i did |
| 18:47.40 | Cide | Shirik: it requires ace2 |
| 18:47.46 | Intangir | then when i finally had him, he bubble hearths ;) |
| 18:47.48 | Cide | AnduinLothar: see above |
| 18:47.51 | Intangir | he had perception too |
| 18:47.55 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Lin (n=igor@unaffiliated/lincity) |
| 18:47.56 | Intangir | he kept finding me when i did try to run off to heal |
| 18:47.57 | Shirik | oh deformat is an ace addon? |
| 18:48.01 | sag_ich_nicht | yes |
| 18:48.10 | Lin | cncfanatics: hi there |
| 18:48.12 | Lin | Cidan: hi you too! |
| 18:48.18 | Lin | cncfanatics: im using your flexbar2 =D |
| 18:48.23 | dreamss | hehe im a shaman, cant mention how many times i been owned by rogue stealthy tactics :/ |
| 18:48.24 | Shirik | Lin: I don't get a hi? =( |
| 18:48.27 | Intangir | im using bongos |
| 18:48.37 | Intangir | i love the bongos |
| 18:48.38 | Lin | Shirik: oh sure! HI! |
| 18:48.42 | Shirik | hi! |
| 18:48.43 | Intangir | ive never tried flexbar |
| 18:48.46 | Lin | Intangir: bongos is amazing |
| 18:48.50 | Cide | Shirik: it's an ace library afaik |
| 18:48.53 | Shirik | ah |
| 18:49.08 | Lin | Intangir: cncfanatics beg to me to try it ;-) |
| 18:49.11 | Intangir | shaman are sort of underpowered right now if you ask me |
| 18:49.13 | cncfanatics | Lin, cheers :) |
| 18:49.18 | Intangir | in arena shaman are about worthless it seems |
| 18:49.24 | Lin | cncfanatics: im a good soul.. then.. im using it! |
| 18:49.27 | Intangir | whenever we see a shaman healer team, we know we already won |
| 18:49.32 | Polarina | Intangir: But Warriors? |
| 18:49.38 | dreamss | yeah i respeced resto now : |
| 18:49.40 | Lin | cncfanatics: I found some little weird features (aka bugs) |
| 18:49.41 | Intangir | what about warriors? |
| 18:49.51 | Shirik | the only thing I have trouble with is druid healer |
| 18:49.53 | cncfanatics | windfury ? |
| 18:49.54 | cncfanatics | thats reason enough tbh |
| 18:49.56 | dreamss | disarming MS warriors is the new LOL |
| 18:49.56 | Polarina | Intangir: How do they do in Arenas, in your opinion? |
| 18:50.02 | Intangir | oh warriors are powerful |
| 18:50.05 | Intangir | but i hear they are boring |
| 18:50.08 | sag_ich_nicht | [19:46] <Intangir> sag_ich_nicht: what class are you? <--human ret paladin :P |
| 18:50.10 | cncfanatics | Lin, tell me, though my time is kinda limited atm |
| 18:50.15 | Lin | cncfanatics: I was playing with states. |
| 18:50.22 | Intangir | they seem like they would be fun |
| 18:50.28 | Intangir | they are like black hole wrecking balls |
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| 18:50.32 | Lin | cncfanatics: I have set to hide at my current state (not combat) |
| 18:50.34 | Intangir | well geared they can generally own a rogue |
| 18:50.46 | Lin | cncfanatics: when I enter in combat the buttons apears (FINE) |
| 18:50.47 | cncfanatics | combat is not a state in FB atm, how did u achieve that ? |
| 18:50.51 | AnduinLothar | wish warcraftmovies would finish accepting my movie |
| 18:50.52 | Intangir | i see warrior/druid and warrior/paladin teams all the time, they are very effective |
| 18:50.59 | AnduinLothar | i pwns some rogues |
| 18:50.59 | Lin | cncfanatics: but when I come back. buttons didnt disapear |
| 18:51.10 | Intangir | AnduinLothar: what class are you? |
| 18:51.15 | cncfanatics | Lin, combat is not a state atm, how did u even make the disapear on combat ? |
| 18:51.17 | AnduinLothar | same |
| 18:51.17 | cncfanatics | appear* |
| 18:51.19 | AnduinLothar | ret pally |
| 18:51.24 | Intangir | sag_ich_nicht: i almost never see any ret paladins in arena |
| 18:51.26 | Intangir | like... never |
| 18:51.32 | Intangir | every paladin in arena is a healer |
| 18:51.43 | Lin | cncfanatics: i dont remember exactly. some thing like set state buttons=* state=current |
| 18:51.43 | cncfanatics | ex prot-pally here |
| 18:51.44 | cncfanatics | rogue now |
| 18:51.49 | cncfanatics | that won't work |
| 18:51.52 | cncfanatics | combat is not a state |
| 18:51.56 | Lin | cncfanatics: everything disapperared. |
| 18:51.58 | Intangir | rogues are freaking fun |
| 18:52.01 | cncfanatics | didn't have time to code that yet |
| 18:52.08 | Lin | cncfanatics: when I entered ion combat. Everytinhg shows! |
| 18:52.10 | AnduinLothar | my movie has me and a frost mage owning some arenas |
| 18:52.12 | cncfanatics | the current states are shapeshifts, stances, stealth and friendly/hostile targets |
| 18:52.21 | AnduinLothar | against mean teams liek rogue pally |
| 18:52.23 | cncfanatics | Lin, probably because ur targetting a hostile :p |
| 18:52.30 | Intangir | AnduinLothar: id like to see that ;) |
| 18:52.30 | Lin | cncfanatics: maybe |
| 18:52.40 | Intangir | whats your rating? |
| 18:52.45 | malreth | our division just got moved again under a new branch of the department |
| 18:52.48 | Lin | cncfanatics: target a hostile is a good enough. how can I list my cyrrent state? |
| 18:52.59 | cncfanatics | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:53.02 | cncfanatics | they're a huge mess atm |
| 18:53.03 | malreth | we keep getting reorged back and forth |
| 18:53.05 | cncfanatics | planning to revamp them |
| 18:53.09 | cncfanatics | when I have time (aka, after exams) |
| 18:53.09 | AnduinLothar | nothing fancy atm. just been doign 10 games a week to get the points for season 3 gear |
| 18:53.17 | AnduinLothar | so 1600-1700 |
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| 18:53.25 | Intangir | malreth: are they giving you funny abbreviations for your team name ;) |
| 18:53.35 | malreth | no... that would be nice |
| 18:53.40 | malreth | wait, |
| 18:53.40 | Intangir | once they changed our teamname to an abbreviation that was really gross |
| 18:53.43 | malreth | actually, yes |
| 18:53.45 | Intangir | i forget what it was now though |
| 18:53.58 | Intangir | EMIT GIS |
| 18:54.02 | Intangir | or something like that ;) |
| 18:54.06 | Intangir | it sounded like 'emit jizz' |
| 18:54.07 | Intangir | hahahha |
| 18:54.09 | malreth | the dept is called Information Technology Services... the new group we're under is User Services |
| 18:54.12 | Lin | cncfanatics: another little problem. |
| 18:54.17 | malreth | so, ITS US at UT Austin |
| 18:54.37 | malreth | that's gotta count for something |
| 18:54.40 | Lin | cncfanatics: I use a lot macros. and castsequence macros. fb buttons didnt notice the next spell while displaying the icons |
| 18:54.41 | Lunessa | malreth: you work for UT? |
| 18:54.48 | cncfanatics | I know Lin |
| 18:54.54 | malreth | Lunessa: yes |
| 18:54.57 | cncfanatics | features to do that have been implemented in 2.3 |
| 18:54.58 | Intangir | right now it seems like druids are god of 2v2 arena healing |
| 18:55.01 | Intangir | they are so fucking good its insane |
| 18:55.02 | Lunessa | Hah... I work of UH |
| 18:55.07 | cncfanatics | now I need to code with the stuff blizz gave me, but I lack time :'( |
| 18:55.10 | Intangir | they are just plain OP |
| 18:55.13 | malreth | Lunessa: BROTHER!!! |
| 18:55.21 | Lin | cncfanatics: hm ok. Just to tell ya. |
| 18:55.31 | Lunessa | Praise be! |
| 18:55.43 | cncfanatics | Lin, sry about those, but I lack a lot of time |
| 18:55.51 | malreth | the pay sucks but the benefits are nice! |
| 18:55.54 | Lin | cncfanatics: no problem. there is nothing to be sorry. |
| 18:56.05 | malreth | plus i get to look at a new batch of freshman girls every year |
| 18:56.11 | Lunessa | Indeed, and dbing in IT means I occasionally get away with playing WoW at the office. |
| 18:56.20 | Lunessa | being. |
| 18:56.30 | malreth | Lunessa: sadly, it doesn't here |
| 18:56.38 | Intangir | i get away with reading political websites all day long |
| 18:56.46 | Intangir | and talking to wow players |
| 18:56.48 | Intangir | on irc |
| 18:56.54 | Intangir | even though half of them anger me ;) |
| 18:57.04 | Shirik | So I never thought I'd say this |
| 18:57.05 | Lunessa | malreth: They don't scan my iMac for network traffic or software. |
| 18:57.09 | Shirik | but wireless B is way too slow |
| 18:57.09 | Lin | cncfanatics: I cannot make bindings with CTRL+Fn |
| 18:57.21 | malreth | Lunessa: they don't scan us either... but it isn't kosher |
| 18:57.24 | Lin | cncfanatics: this is another "feature" ;-) |
| 18:57.47 | malreth | Lunessa: and wow doesn't run that great on this laptop anyways... it's a pre-intel power book |
| 18:57.48 | Lunessa | malreth: agreed - which is why I said "get away with" |
| 18:58.16 | Lunessa | My G4 Titanium will RUN WoW - just... not well. |
| 18:58.30 | malreth | but i spend a chunk of the day tooling around with scripting languages |
| 18:58.41 | malreth | it's marginally work-related |
| 18:59.02 | malreth | plus it keeps me sharp |
| 18:59.24 | malreth | programming-wise... i can say that i'm learning something |
| 18:59.34 | malreth | i even put it on my evals |
| 19:00.14 | Lunessa | I do support, tech writing, account management, and some scripting for work - on the SLOW shift. |
| 19:00.39 | malreth | i build and maintain computer labs and servers under contract for all of the colleges on campus |
| 19:01.01 | Lunessa | Fun. Ghost must figure greatly in your daily routine. |
| 19:01.04 | batrick | Cide: deformat, like the opposite of string.format? |
| 19:01.11 | Cide | batrick: yes |
| 19:01.13 | batrick | I wrote a function for that if you want it |
| 19:01.13 | malreth | we're trying to get away from ghost and move to WDS |
| 19:01.19 | Cide | batrick: a function? |
| 19:01.26 | batrick | ya? |
| 19:01.27 | Cide | does it handle all cases found in GlobalStrings.lua? |
| 19:01.30 | malreth | but that requires binding to AD which is something we've always tried to avoid |
| 19:01.34 | Cide | that usually takes more than 'a function' |
| 19:01.39 | batrick | you mean the posix variations |
| 19:01.47 | Lunessa | *shudder* I work with AD daily. /cry |
| 19:02.05 | malreth | i'm one of the only people on our team who tries to |
| 19:02.06 | batrick | yes and no, but with a little tinkering it could easily |
| 19:02.47 | malreth | but i've got no training in it so i always feel like i'm winging it whenever i mess with GPOs |
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| 19:03.01 | malreth | i haven't screwed anything up yet... |
| 19:03.36 | malreth | only two of my sites use AD |
| 19:03.41 | Lunessa | Hah - wing it! Next time I cruise up to Austin, we need to hang at Epoch or something. |
| 19:03.53 | malreth | the rest are all standalone sites |
| 19:05.30 | malreth | ut austin's central AD has over a million users on it... it's obcene |
| 19:05.54 | malreth | and that's not an exaggeration |
| 19:06.20 | Lunessa | Holy crap. |
| 19:06.21 | batrick | Cide: http://wowi.pastey.net/77766 |
| 19:06.31 | malreth | all current and former UT affiliated students, faculty, and staff have a user object |
| 19:06.34 | malreth | all of them |
| 19:06.35 | batrick | It's a little ugly now that I really look at it but like I said it can handle all cases with minimal work |
| 19:06.57 | Cide | batrick: what about spanish, french, etc? |
| 19:07.13 | batrick | I don't currently have locales for them so I never bothered writing those :P |
| 19:07.20 | batrick | but you can skip that all together |
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| 19:07.43 | batrick | let me look at it more hopefully i can finish it |
| 19:07.55 | Lothaer | wats going on |
| 19:08.09 | malreth | which means if you bind a server and forget to limit access, any one person who has ever been at UT who has a weak password can cause a compromise of your system |
| 19:08.13 | Lunessa | malreth: How long do you keep those user-objects? We have a definite purge-cycle. |
| 19:08.29 | malreth | Lunessa: they're kept indefinitely |
| 19:08.47 | malreth | they even retroactive added people from before the AD was built |
| 19:08.49 | sag_ich_nicht | AnduinLothar what's your rating with that frostmage? |
| 19:09.00 | sag_ich_nicht | (too lazy to open armory) |
| 19:09.00 | Shirik | huh, I've never seen this before |
| 19:09.02 | sag_ich_nicht | maybe |
| 19:09.06 | Shirik | "There were multiple problems saving data" on the updater |
| 19:09.10 | sag_ich_nicht | !c us kil'jaeden wraithhammer |
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| 19:09.11 | Shirik | with the yellow light on |
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| 19:09.16 | AnduinLothar | i just told you |
| 19:09.18 | AnduinLothar | so 1600-1700 |
| 19:09.20 | Shirik | blizzard ftl =( |
| 19:09.22 | sag_ich_nicht | mhm |
| 19:09.24 | sag_ich_nicht | sounds goo |
| 19:09.25 | sag_ich_nicht | *good |
| 19:09.33 | AnduinLothar | it'll be higher once i get resil |
| 19:09.40 | sag_ich_nicht | oic |
| 19:09.41 | sag_ich_nicht | okay |
| 19:09.55 | AnduinLothar | i'll have 3 more pvp resil pieces next week |
| 19:10.06 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Lopeppeppy (n=Lopeppep@141.222.29.30) |
| 19:10.27 | malreth | having that many objects breaks quite a few system management utilities |
| 19:10.43 | malreth | the Apple OD tools completely cannot cope |
| 19:11.01 | Shirik | ? |
| 19:12.50 | *** join/#wowi-lounge sag_ich_nicht (i=bitch2k@85-127-110-113.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at) |
| 19:13.13 | sag_ich_nicht | whoops |
| 19:13.15 | sag_ich_nicht | missclicked |
| 19:15.32 | batrick | Cide: what is really annoying is that sometimes they use %s and %5$s in the same damn string |
| 19:18.44 | Lunessa | malreth: That's whacky. One must wonder at the reasoning. |
| 19:19.10 | malreth | hmm... yeah, i dunno |
| 19:19.25 | malreth | i might track down one of the enterprise admins and ask them |
| 19:19.44 | malreth | chances are the decision was made at the UT System level or something |
| 19:19.53 | malreth | some old white guy |
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| 19:21.13 | Lunessa | Who didn't understand the ramifications. |
| 19:22.33 | Thunder_Child | sag_ich_nicht, DYNAMICS!!! ICS!!! |
| 19:23.23 | *** join/#wowi-lounge _malreth (n=malreth@wireless-128-62-234-33.public.utexas.edu) |
| 19:23.49 | batrick | Cide: this seems to work very well after a couple tests: http://wowi.pastey.net/77768 |
| 19:23.58 | batrick | Locale independent |
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| 19:27.05 | art3mis | http://www.boingboing.net/2007/11/21/top-ten-most-viewed.html |
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| 19:29.59 | _malreth | wb, Cairenn |
| 19:30.24 | Cairenn | thanks - actually been here for hours now, but didn't want to admit it during the previous conversation ;) |
| 19:31.06 | Shirik | Cairenn is always here |
| 19:31.14 | zenzelezz | lol |
| 19:31.15 | art3mis | awww i missed a good convo? |
| 19:31.22 | zenzelezz | not so much a conversation |
| 19:31.24 | _malreth | omg... firefox 3 beta... thrashing my system... |
| 19:31.27 | art3mis | or did that stupid freedom of the net conversation last a RAELLY long time |
| 19:32.40 | art3mis | thats why you never run opensource betas ;) |
| 19:33.02 | Lunessa | <3 Cairenn |
| 19:33.08 | Cairenn | :) |
| 19:33.15 | _malreth | ah... got control back |
| 19:33.19 | Shirik | _malreth: Thrashing in the technical sense? |
| 19:33.23 | Shirik | or in the general sense? |
| 19:33.23 | art3mis | i wish there was a molest emoticon |
| 19:33.38 | _malreth | well, it sucked up all of my cpu cycles |
| 19:33.38 | art3mis | shirik: therashin' as in the skate mag ;) |
| 19:33.44 | art3mis | thrashin |
| 19:33.53 | Shirik | _malreth: Yeah that's not thrashing :) |
| 19:34.23 | batrick | Cide: let me know if that works for you I'm curious if it's what you needed |
| 19:34.27 | Shirik | Thrashing is a term used to describe a phenomenon that occurs when an application's working set is too large, resulting in too many context switches for it to be useful |
| 19:34.33 | _malreth | it took a minute for those letters to type out after i pressed the keys... i didn't really feel like debating whether or not it was the correct term and then to spend time backspacing over them |
| 19:34.44 | art3mis | thrashing would be it creating 26 8k partitions assigning them drive letters and copying 4k of the registry to each one as well as setting up a recycled folder ;P |
| 19:35.11 | _malreth | i think i'll test firefox 3 on a *different* computer |
| 19:35.15 | batrick | wha |
| 19:35.35 | art3mis | and once thats done shiriks dad shows up to slash you in two with a bread knife and then dance around one youe grave singing hallehuyah |
| 19:35.43 | Shirik | wtf? >< |
| 19:35.54 | art3mis | on your |
| 19:36.49 | art3mis | tis a monty python skit ;P |
| 19:37.46 | Shirik | I don't remember that one |
| 19:38.07 | AnduinLothar | wtf |
| 19:38.08 | art3mis | right, we used to affta git up in the morning at 10 oclock at night a half hour before we went to sleep each a handful of cold poison, work 28 days down mill and pay for permission to come to work and when we got home out dad would salsh in two with a bread knife and dance around on our graves singing hallayaha |
| 19:38.17 | art3mis | the liars club |
| 19:41.17 | _malreth | good riddance to that stupid troll |
| 19:41.24 | _malreth | i'm glad he's gone |
| 19:42.26 | Lunessa | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2007/11/21/ur-foods-give-me-them/ |
| 19:43.01 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 19:43.23 | _malreth | my cat... http://flickr.com/photos/fizzboy/522129836/ |
| 19:44.06 | malreth | you have no idea how hard it is to focus at something behind your head with a DSLR... |
| 19:44.11 | Lunessa | Haha |
| 19:45.14 | art3mis | luney im kind of concerned with your anime doll collection |
| 19:45.23 | art3mis | err mal |
| 19:45.28 | malreth | I LIKE GIRLS AND STUFFS! |
| 19:45.36 | Thunder_Child | sure |
| 19:45.58 | art3mis | but you've got the Zim boxed set so i can't be too concerned with your mental well being |
| 19:45.59 | Lunessa | Umm.... I have no anime dolls, but I do have several EQ figurines. *shame* |
| 19:46.16 | art3mis | luney: do you play on a hexagon grid for d&d with them? |
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| 19:46.49 | Lunessa | NO! I use a hex grid mat for Hero System. D&D gets a square-grid mat. |
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| 19:47.28 | art3mis | hah |
| 19:47.33 | Thunder_Child | hex works fine on d&d |
| 19:47.43 | art3mis | well it's alright for you to have representational figurines |
| 19:47.43 | Thunder_Child | esp with the facing system |
| 19:47.45 | malreth | hmm... i can't remember how to pull up the EXIF info on flickr... |
| 19:47.57 | art3mis | mal on the other hand has anime dolls ;P |
| 19:48.15 | malreth | correction... malreth has LOTS of anime dolls |
| 19:48.28 | Lunessa | I bet he has an entire room of manga too. |
| 19:48.39 | art3mis | you fergot a y ;P |
| 19:48.49 | Lunessa | I just have about a zillion SPAWN action figures. |
| 19:48.50 | malreth | i used to collect manga but it got too expensive |
| 19:49.04 | malreth | my fiancee reads quite a few of them, though |
| 19:49.30 | art3mis | does she find inuyasha spike and vicious dreamy? |
| 19:49.43 | art3mis | and occasioanlly asks you to call her police girl? |
| 19:49.47 | malreth | no, she doesn't like inuyasha either |
| 19:49.54 | batrick | --> decompose("%1$s attacks %3$s, with a %2$s", "John attacks David, with a knife", 3) |
| 19:49.54 | batbot | batrick: > David |
| 19:50.01 | art3mis | gasp |
| 19:50.04 | batrick | \o/ |
| 19:50.05 | art3mis | but hes got ears! |
| 19:50.06 | malreth | she likes Loveless, |
| 19:50.10 | malreth | hmm... |
| 19:50.14 | malreth | i should know these |
| 19:50.27 | malreth | Please Save My Earth |
| 19:50.38 | art3mis | Dragon Pink |
| 19:50.50 | malreth | now THAT brings back memories |
| 19:51.05 | malreth | classic A.D. Vision back when they were called A.D. Vision |
| 19:51.15 | malreth | back when they cared about fans |
| 19:51.16 | art3mis | La Blue Girl too ;) |
| 19:51.17 | malreth | fuckers |
| 19:51.33 | art3mis | wierdo japanese |
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| 19:52.01 | art3mis | we cant show penis'... hey how about tentacles!!! |
| 19:52.04 | art3mis | perfect |
| 19:52.42 | malreth | tentacle porn has existed in japan even before the end of WWII |
| 19:53.01 | malreth | the censorship restrictions have nothing to do with it... |
| 19:53.14 | malreth | although... they are *mighty* convenient |
| 19:55.34 | Lunessa | I'm Mr.T and this is my NIGHT ELF MOHAWK! |
| 19:55.51 | malreth | GAH! |
| 19:56.13 | malreth | i can't remember my fiancee's favorite manga series nor can i remember how to pull up exif info on flickr pages |
| 19:56.31 | malreth | i just know she's gonna quiz me about that... the former, not the latter |
| 19:57.09 | malreth | "honey, go to the bookstore and pick up the latest volume of my favorite series." "which one, sweetie?" "you mean you don't remember?" |
| 19:57.23 | malreth | then it'll be no sex for another month... |
| 19:57.41 | Lunessa | ... Own up. Take your beating and sleep on the couch like a MAN. |
| 19:57.51 | Thunder_Child | malreth, when looking at the image, it's on the right hand side |
| 19:58.02 | Thunder_Child | e.g. http://www.flickr.com/photo_exif.gne?id=471981886 |
| 19:58.47 | Thunder_Child | in that pictures case it says |
| 19:58.48 | malreth | what's the anchor text for it? |
| 19:58.48 | Thunder_Child | Taken with a Canon EOS Digital Rebel XTi. |
| 19:58.48 | Thunder_Child | More properties |
| 19:58.57 | Shirik | this is... interesting |
| 19:59.00 | Thunder_Child | eh? anchor text? |
| 19:59.05 | Shirik | came across it randomly: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uG8pGSxNrZ8&feature=related |
| 19:59.19 | malreth | Thunder_Child: you said it... "More properties" |
| 19:59.29 | Thunder_Child | ah, ok |
| 19:59.31 | malreth | the text you'd click on to follow the link |
| 19:59.36 | malreth | just as i though... it's not just me |
| 19:59.45 | Thunder_Child | yes it is |
| 19:59.48 | Thunder_Child | i found it |
| 20:00.34 | malreth | a find on the page shows nothing with the word "properties" on it |
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| 20:00.41 | malreth | i don't doubt that you see it |
| 20:00.50 | malreth | but it's not showing up for me for some reason |
| 20:00.58 | Thunder_Child | link me one of yours |
| 20:00.59 | malreth | i know it used to be there... |
| 20:01.08 | malreth | one of my photos? |
| 20:01.20 | Thunder_Child | or one that you are trying to look at that isnt mine |
| 20:01.37 | malreth | http://www.flickr.com/photos/fizzboy/522129836/ |
| 20:01.45 | malreth | that's a photo that i took |
| 20:01.49 | malreth | i am also currently logged in |
| 20:02.08 | malreth | and i checked my profile settings and i don't have exif hidden |
| 20:02.12 | Thunder_Child | but thats not a pgotograph |
| 20:02.16 | Thunder_Child | photograph* |
| 20:02.27 | Thunder_Child | not pure anyways |
| 20:02.56 | malreth | doh |
| 20:02.58 | malreth | you're right |
| 20:03.13 | malreth | the flickr tools page probably stripped the exif from the jpeg |
| 20:04.03 | malreth | yep... the properties link shows up on other photos |
| 20:04.03 | malreth | thanks Thunder_Child |
| 20:04.03 | malreth | you have restored my sanity |
| 20:04.03 | Thunder_Child | welcome malreth |
| 20:04.08 | Polarina | "It will once again be possible for two freezing traps to be in place at the same time" -- 2.3.2 |
| 20:04.08 | malreth | and illustrated my stupidity. :p |
| 20:04.15 | Lunessa | Shirik: WTF? |
| 20:04.22 | Shirik | ? |
| 20:04.41 | Lunessa | that quantum theory and chi video. |
| 20:04.52 | Shirik | I found it interesting |
| 20:05.07 | Lunessa | It was, but it was also ... strange. |
| 20:05.43 | Lunessa | Yes, I watched the whole thing. |
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| 20:07.04 | Arcane_NH | sigh, getting 15 errors on start up |
| 20:07.19 | malreth | oh, are you using addons? |
| 20:07.34 | Arcane_NH | yea, the cosmos block |
| 20:07.52 | malreth | Arcane_NH: blizzard is banning people who use MODS... you better delete them |
| 20:08.06 | Arcane_NH | addons <> mods |
| 20:08.12 | Thunder_Child | *snicker* @ malreth |
| 20:08.15 | malreth | rats |
| 20:08.19 | malreth | purl, malreth |
| 20:08.20 | purl | malreth scares me |
| 20:08.35 | malreth | you're really hung up on that one, purl |
| 20:08.44 | Arcane_NH | I may be new but I ain't that new |
| 20:09.22 | malreth | :( |
| 20:09.32 | malreth | how much do i have to pay you to act convinced? |
| 20:09.46 | Shirik | ~factinfo malreth |
| 20:09.46 | purl | malreth -- last modified at Wed Nov 15 21:09:53 2006 by malreth!n=triti@cpe-72-179-20-11.austin.res.rr.com; it has been requested 11 times, last by malreth, 1m 26s ago. |
| 20:09.59 | Shirik | you don't like yourself very much, do you :P |
| 20:10.26 | Arcane_NH | seems to be gaggin when trying to get values for "hook" and "io" |
| 20:11.23 | Arcane_NH | wow I think I just hit a nerve |
| 20:11.31 | malreth | Arcane_NH: sounds like trouble with the Sea addon |
| 20:11.42 | Shirik | sea is a library |
| 20:11.51 | malreth | whatever they call it |
| 20:11.56 | malreth | i call it 'hambone' |
| 20:12.04 | Arcane_NH | looks like the latest automated cosmos update broke it into tiny little pieces |
| 20:12.26 | dreamss | O_o |
| 20:12.40 | dreamss | cosmos update for 2.3 was fine for me |
| 20:15.02 | Arcane_NH | the update I'm refering to happened within the last 24-48 horus |
| 20:15.09 | AnduinLothar | mmm |
| 20:15.31 | AnduinLothar | wat seems to be the problem? |
| 20:16.02 | AnduinLothar | Cosmos errors? |
| 20:16.29 | Arcane_NH | several addons are trying to get values for "hook" "Hooks"(satalite.lua line 744) and "io" in all cases the are getting a nil value and throwing an exception |
| 20:17.37 | AnduinLothar | hmm, i modified Sea to move the 'libs' folder to 'Libs' |
| 20:17.47 | AnduinLothar | sound sliek they aren't loading |
| 20:18.25 | sag_ich_nicht | works for me, did you commit something new after the chatthrottlelib removal from the .toc? |
| 20:18.39 | AnduinLothar | dont think so |
| 20:18.47 | Arcane_NH | Error: attempt to index field 'io' (a nil value)AddOn: PartyQuestsFile: Libram.luaLine: 300Count: 1 |
| 20:19.04 | AnduinLothar | Arcane_NH: do you have an Interface/AddOns/Sea/Libs folder? |
| 20:19.11 | Arcane_NH | stand by |
| 20:20.12 | AnduinLothar | The patch doesn't seem to be correctly renamign the folder |
| 20:20.12 | Arcane_NH | I have a libs folder but not a Libs folder |
| 20:20.20 | AnduinLothar | rename it Libs |
| 20:20.33 | Arcane_NH | lets see if it will let me do it while riding a gryphon |
| 20:20.38 | dreamss | windows dosent care about upercase tho |
| 20:20.55 | AnduinLothar | wow does |
| 20:21.11 | Arcane_NH | have renamed will log-out and log back in once I land |
| 20:21.25 | AnduinLothar | gonna have to exit the game |
| 20:21.30 | sag_ich_nicht | god damn it |
| 20:21.34 | AnduinLothar | not just log out |
| 20:21.35 | Arcane_NH | kk |
| 20:21.37 | sag_ich_nicht | autoloot is still broken for disenchanting |
| 20:21.46 | sag_ich_nicht | but now it just breaks randomly |
| 20:21.57 | malreth | sag_ich_nicht: ? |
| 20:22.12 | sag_ich_nicht | autoloot was broken for pickpocketing and disenchanting |
| 20:22.15 | sag_ich_nicht | now it works 9/10 |
| 20:22.20 | sag_ich_nicht | but sometimes still doesn't |
| 20:22.20 | malreth | the built in autoloot? |
| 20:22.23 | sag_ich_nicht | yes |
| 20:22.36 | malreth | i haven't noticed it with disenchanting |
| 20:22.54 | sag_ich_nicht | had it happen two times so far |
| 20:23.08 | malreth | what happens? |
| 20:25.37 | sag_ich_nicht | same as in 2.2 |
| 20:25.39 | Rayne | since last night, WoW has been DCing me like crazy, huge lag spikes and all. restarted my router and everything, same problems :/ |
| 20:25.47 | sag_ich_nicht | just opens the loot window and you have to manually loot it |
| 20:26.00 | sag_ich_nicht | Rayne: which OS? |
| 20:26.28 | malreth | sag_ich_nicht: hmm.. that sounds like an advanced user interface question. good luck. |
| 20:26.53 | sag_ich_nicht | malreth well DUH |
| 20:26.56 | Rayne | XP |
| 20:26.57 | malreth | :) |
| 20:26.59 | Arcane_NH | Renamed /libs to /Libs still getting the same 15 errors on startup |
| 20:27.36 | AnduinLothar | delete your Sea folder and re download |
| 20:28.06 | malreth | i used to work at a tech support help desk. one guy in training was handling e-mail support... some user wrote in with an e-mail problem. he responded with, "Sounds like an advanced Outlook problem. Good luck," and that's it. |
| 20:28.18 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 20:28.32 | malreth | tech support you can use... |
| 20:28.38 | malreth | ...for entertainment |
| 20:28.50 | Lunessa | malreth: If I could get away with that, I so would. I hate Outlook. I wish I could hate it to death. |
| 20:29.15 | Arcane_NH | dumped /Sea launching cosmos.exe |
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| 20:29.24 | malreth | he got teased with that answer the entire time he worked there |
| 20:29.28 | Lunessa | And on that note - I must go tell some place "UR FOODS - GIVE ME THEM." |
| 20:29.36 | malreth | the message got caught by the CSR QA process |
| 20:29.44 | Arcane_NH | running complete file check |
| 20:29.48 | Cairenn | fudz r gud! |
| 20:29.50 | malreth | and then promptly printed out and hung up all over the place |
| 20:30.05 | Arcane_NH | launching wow |
| 20:30.46 | Arcane_NH | 0 errors on launch |
| 20:30.50 | Rayne | :/ DCd me again... |
| 20:30.52 | malreth | yay |
| 20:30.56 | malreth | boo! |
| 20:31.03 | Arcane_NH | quest log function the way I want |
| 20:31.11 | Arcane_NH | now I get to do it on my other computers |
| 20:31.15 | Arcane_NH | Thanks for all your help |
| 20:32.04 | Thunder_Child | can gmail do 10 or 20 mb attachments? |
| 20:32.41 | Esamynn|Work | Thunder_Child: people who send files of that size via email are evil! :P |
| 20:33.04 | Arcane_NH | sounds like a job for the BT squad |
| 20:33.16 | Thunder_Child | i have sent larger as well |
| 20:33.28 | Thunder_Child | i just cant remember gmails limit |
| 20:33.29 | Esamynn|Work | I rest my case :P |
| 20:33.29 | Cairenn | the joys of working with interface artists |
| 20:33.54 | Cairenn | high quality artwork is huge, even compressed |
| 20:34.09 | zenzelezz | Gmail has what, 4GB+ storage? I'd be surprised if they expected you to take it all in 5 MB batches |
| 20:34.10 | Thunder_Child | ok, 20mb |
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| 20:34.31 | batrick | i think gmail is 10MB |
| 20:34.41 | dreamss | 20 |
| 20:34.41 | Thunder_Child | "With Gmail, you can send and receive messages up to 20 megabytes (MB) in size. However, the precise amount allowable will depend on the attachment." |
| 20:34.43 | zenzelezz | sending or receiving? |
| 20:34.44 | Thunder_Child | i looked it up |
| 20:34.47 | zenzelezz | hm |
| 20:34.51 | zenzelezz | I was wrong then |
| 20:36.09 | malreth | http://www.catandgirl.com/view.php?loc=542 |
| 20:36.16 | malreth | i love that comic |
| 20:38.16 | zenzelezz | TecnoBrat seems to be having an identity crisis |
| 20:38.55 | Rayne | I wonder if its my mods... |
| 20:39.30 | malreth | i remember reading that blizzard changed the disconnect policy with retrieving invalid item links |
| 20:40.04 | malreth | any addon that tries to mine for information on items that aren't in your cache are likely to have problems |
| 20:40.57 | malreth | even if they're not explicitly trying to datamine |
| 20:42.55 | malreth | say, you had a rare-to-the-server item in an alt's bank that wasn't cached yet and you also had an inventory addon that kept info your alt's bank so you could search through it |
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| 20:43.18 | malreth | mentally correct my grammar when reading that |
| 20:43.42 | AnduinLothar | don't think it matters if the char has logged on or not |
| 20:44.47 | malreth | dunno... but someone worked out that you couldn't safely request more than 1 itemlink from the server every 10 seconds without risking a DC |
| 20:45.17 | malreth | unless you could guarantee that the itemlink id was cached or valid |
| 20:46.06 | malreth | dunno if that's causing your problem, Rayne. |
| 20:46.14 | malreth | just tossing out ideas |
| 20:51.52 | Rayne | ok im only getting the lag / DCs in groups aparently |
| 20:51.57 | Rayne | im runningg around fine now solo |
| 20:52.33 | malreth | hmm... |
| 20:53.02 | malreth | i can't remember... do you get DCed if an addon sends too much data to the party addon channels? |
| 20:53.12 | Rayne | im thinking it might be DBM |
| 20:53.16 | Rayne | or possibly Omen |
| 20:53.23 | Rayne | cause Omens been buggy on me lately |
| 20:53.50 | malreth | it might be because the author of Omen hates users |
| 20:54.08 | Rayne | maybe, iunno |
| 20:54.12 | Rayne | Omen > KTM though |
| 20:54.32 | malreth | if you use Omen, you hate piracy |
| 20:54.49 | Rayne | OMG ADDON PIRACY |
| 20:55.47 | AnduinLothar | omen gets updated every day... it's crazy |
| 20:56.05 | malreth | well, ThreatLib does... |
| 20:56.12 | Rayne | it does |
| 20:56.24 | Rayne | I update it, and an hour later it spams me for an update |
| 20:56.34 | zenzelezz | I only update it once a week |
| 20:57.09 | Rayne | It might be DBM, cause it was giving me errors in that last AV... |
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| 20:59.31 | Rayne | JELLY |
| 20:59.37 | Rayne | SHOW MY THROAT SOME LOVE |
| 20:59.54 | malreth | uh... heh heh |
| 21:00.12 | malreth | you want Jelly to rape your face? |
| 21:00.19 | Rayne | yesplz |
| 21:00.33 | Rayne | brb |
| 21:02.18 | malreth | omg... the Amazon Kindle looks like a 1980's sports car |
| 21:15.29 | Rayne | my MS is over 1K steady...somethins up :/ |
| 21:15.44 | zenzelezz | amg nerf MS! |
| 21:15.53 | zenzelezz | sorry, couldn't resist |
| 21:16.34 | Rayne | its ok |
| 21:16.40 | Rayne | I personally hate the arms tree |
| 21:16.43 | Rayne | <3 Fury |
| 21:18.07 | zenzelezz | I like arms, but only out of nostalgia... did 1-60 twice on that spec, even if I was a poor DPSer :-) Been prot every since I hit 60 |
| 21:18.30 | Legorol | prot is the ultimate dps tree, people just don't know :) |
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| 21:19.09 | Rayne | I leveled as Fury...and when I hit outlands I went dual wield MS with Axes, had anywhere from 30-34% crit leveling |
| 21:19.25 | kergoth | damn, SBF 2.8 beta is awesome |
| 21:20.24 | Rayne | I did nothing but stack AGI, so my AP was terribafd |
| 21:20.32 | Rayne | but I crit so much I didnt care |
| 21:21.15 | Lunessa | So, I went to Wendy's for lunch, but they didn't really appreciate my sayiing "UR Foodz - Give me them." |
| 21:21.32 | malreth | Srsly? |
| 21:22.07 | malreth | it would have been funny if the cashier replied, "u can has cheezburgr now" |
| 21:22.21 | Lunessa | They totally didn't get it. |
| 21:23.02 | malreth | i'll say this about lolspeak... it's probably the most versatile of interweb memes |
| 21:23.22 | *** join/#wowi-lounge pez| (n=user@90.80-203-213.nextgentel.com) |
| 21:23.24 | malreth | i mean, there's only so many times you can say, "all your base" before you get tired of it |
| 21:23.27 | Cairenn | Lunessa: lol, did you really? |
| 21:23.37 | Rayne | People now adays dont have a sense of humor |
| 21:23.43 | Lunessa | foodz r srs bsns |
| 21:23.47 | Lunessa | Yes, I did. |
| 21:23.52 | Cairenn | hahaha |
| 21:23.56 | malreth | lolspeak can express more than one idea and it's even a programming language |
| 21:24.57 | Lunessa | Once, in '88 I was in San Francisco and went to a Sizzler - I told the girl at the counter - I want food please. Just put it on the tray, thank you. |
| 21:25.05 | malreth | "all your base" was one-dimentional.. lolspeak can express victory, disappointment, regret, etc. |
| 21:25.20 | Cairenn | Lunessa: and? |
| 21:25.47 | zenzelezz | All Your Base is just great because of the flash video |
| 21:25.58 | Lunessa | She got flustered. Confused even, then handed me plates for the salad bar. Later she gave me her number, but I never called her. |
| 21:26.30 | Cairenn | zenzelezz: indeed |
| 21:26.31 | malreth | go to burger king and ask for a "whopper, hold the bun" |
| 21:26.32 | Cairenn | Lunessa: lol |
| 21:26.45 | malreth | you'll seriously get just the patty |
| 21:26.58 | Lunessa | Bloom County reference earns you +100 Lunessa rep. |
| 21:27.04 | malreth | there's a way to key that request in the register |
| 21:27.17 | bleeter | damn, where's kd3 |
| 21:27.27 | bleeter | I need a pic for the PTR forum 'coz I can't find the stickies without it! |
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| 21:27.43 | bleeter | I posted a request, but Hortus deleted it :( |
| 21:27.50 | Cairenn | speaking of missing people - where the heck is tem? |
| 21:28.39 | zenzelezz | ~seen tem |
| 21:28.41 | purl | tem <n=tardmrr@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Dongle/Tem> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 1d 12h 32m 24s ago, saying: 'Corrodias, there's a pally in my guild named Preacher'. |
| 21:29.02 | Cairenn | precisely my point - 1.5 days not in channels |
| 21:29.09 | Cairenn | not the norm |
| 21:29.18 | zenzelezz | ~seen tardmrr |
| 21:29.19 | purl | tardmrr <n=matt@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Dongle/Tem> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 47d 1h 18m 11s ago, saying: 'moving on'. |
| 21:29.25 | Lunessa | DUN DUN DUN! Maybe it's the work of a woman? |
| 21:29.34 | Cairenn | or a turkey |
| 21:29.47 | bleeter | it's.... TURKEY WOMAN! |
| 21:30.00 | Lunessa | ... Um, at least that's not were I wanted to go with that thought process |
| 21:30.02 | bleeter | um.. no, scratch that... I don't think I need to go down that thought path |
| 21:30.10 | malreth | hmm... |
| 21:30.14 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 21:30.31 | Lunessa | Too late, malreth is already visualizing the hentai |
| 21:30.39 | malreth | rule 37? |
| 21:31.19 | malreth | no... actually i was trying to remember the name of the character in the Girly comic... |
| 21:31.24 | malreth | it's Myrabelle |
| 21:31.29 | malreth | http://go-girly.com/go/508 |
| 21:31.40 | malreth | she's not a turkey woman, but she's close |
| 21:31.58 | malreth | hmm... |
| 21:32.49 | malreth | while that particular comic is a sort of a refresher, the thing that makes it funny is that Lycaonia and Myrabelle never appeared in the comic |
| 21:32.58 | malreth | Josh just made them up right then |
| 21:33.52 | malreth | oh.. i guess the comic is a huge spoiler at the end |
| 21:34.02 | malreth | in case you actually wanted to read it from the beginning |
| 21:34.05 | malreth | sorry... |
| 21:34.10 | malreth | SPOILER ALERT: http://go-girly.com/go/508 |
| 21:34.12 | malreth | there... |
| 21:35.13 | malreth | gah... got it wrong... it's rule #34 |
| 21:35.30 | malreth | purl, rule 34? |
| 21:35.31 | purl | malreth rules and 34 drools |
| 21:35.45 | malreth | riiiiiiiight... |
| 21:43.45 | Kirkburn | 2.3.2 patch notes are out :) http://www.wowwiki.com/Patch_2.3.2 |
| 21:44.36 | malreth | trainable ice block... finally |
| 21:44.43 | malreth | didn't think it'd happen in 2.3.2, though |
| 21:45.07 | malreth | oh wow... Icy Veins talent |
| 21:45.32 | mikma | magelove! |
| 21:46.07 | malreth | and a new mana gem! |
| 21:46.14 | malreth | total magelove patch |
| 21:46.22 | malreth | they raped our faces in a loving way! |
| 21:47.30 | mikma | managem with 3 charges |
| 21:47.34 | mikma | that'll be fun in arenas |
| 21:48.22 | malreth | i already respecced out of clearcast... that new gem will be nice |
| 21:48.46 | Lunessa | Clearcast is the BOMB though. |
| 21:49.55 | mikma | what new metagem? |
| 21:50.23 | malreth | mana gem, mikma |
| 21:50.53 | mikma | ah, gah. tripped in my own stupidity. too tired, gn |
| 21:51.09 | malreth | instead of conserving mana using clearcast, i'll just chew gems and get more mana |
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| 21:52.10 | malreth | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2968666070&sid=1 |
| 21:52.15 | malreth | that guy is funny |
| 21:52.23 | malreth | he's too over the top to be serious |
| 21:53.48 | malreth | and yet people take him teh serous |
| 21:56.03 | |Jelly|zZz | Keep forgetting to kill m laptop before I go to work. :\ |
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| 21:58.08 | Rayne | The melee haste provided by Halazzi's Frenzy has been reduced to 100%. THANK YOU GODDDDDDDDD |
| 21:58.20 | |Jelly| | Rayne, why were you yelling my name earlier? |
| 21:58.25 | Rayne | Cause |
| 21:58.29 | |Jelly| | (turned off my laptop so I can't copy) |
| 21:58.29 | Rayne | I need a throat punching |
| 21:58.38 | Rayne | why else |
| 21:58.42 | malreth | i still have my mind quickening gem... it'd be crazy if icy veins stacked with it |
| 21:58.45 | |Jelly| | My elbow hurts too much to punch you. Find Kelfarr. |
| 21:58.54 | Rayne | Kelfarr wouldnt hit me |
| 21:58.55 | Rayne | I dont think |
| 21:59.08 | |Jelly| | OH and just so you know, If you install every Ace mod from the WAU (even the old, out of date ones) WoW wont load. |
| 22:00.47 | Rayne | Ill keep that in mind |
| 22:00.51 | malreth | submit a bug report to blizzard |
| 22:01.02 | Rayne | lol |
| 22:01.16 | Rayne | "What addons are you running" Sigh... |
| 22:01.29 | Rayne | "Insert hour long typed list" |
| 22:01.50 | Rayne | Ice Block (Frost) is now available on the trainer to all mages at level 30. |
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| 22:02.01 | Rayne | Im sorry, that was brought about by constant bitching again... :/ |
| 22:02.08 | malreth | yep |
| 22:02.32 | Rayne | What happened to mages...so many of them became the biggest crybabys in the game...worse than ret palis. |
| 22:02.36 | malreth | too bad i'm already lv 67 on my mage... i missed getting Ice Block at 30. *sadface* |
| 22:02.49 | buu | Rayne: Well, the thing is, ret pallies have other options without having to reroll. |
| 22:02.52 | malreth | WAY 2 NURF ME BLIZARD! |
| 22:03.06 | buu | Rayne: Mages, not so much. |
| 22:03.09 | Rayne | Ret Palis are greedy as fuck :/ |
| 22:03.47 | Rayne | they take all the warrior DPS loot, bitch that its not oriented for their class. they get buffs and theyre not good enough, they get more, still not enough, gotta change this gotta have that.. |
| 22:04.15 | Rayne | I stopped looking at the PTR Forums for 2.3, all it had were threads about ret palis fucking whining non stop. |
| 22:04.41 | Rayne | I couldnt fucking bitch if I got 15% overall DPS increase and 30% threat reduction. |
| 22:04.42 | dreamss | lol |
| 22:04.56 | Rayne | wouldnt* |
| 22:05.20 | |Jelly| | [16:00]<Rayne>"What addons are you running" Sigh... -- You saw the shot in my signature, right? |
| 22:05.32 | Rayne | no not yet |
| 22:05.32 | Lunessa | Avenue Q ... brilliant stuff. |
| 22:05.41 | Rayne | I havent really been on the UI forums the last 2 days |
| 22:05.51 | |Jelly| | Rayne: http://i3.tinypic.com/8dxz4p5.jpg |
| 22:05.54 | malreth | oh... some mage called icy veins a 'slap in the face' and he actually meant it |
| 22:05.59 | Rayne | after the shrig comment about wanting to take over ryas UI I lost alot of faith in humanity. |
| 22:06.01 | bleeter | er s/fi/if/ |
| 22:06.34 | Kaso | Anyone know much about the winsocks api |
| 22:06.53 | zenzelezz | not much... some |
| 22:07.15 | Rayne | I wanna take a nap, I dont want to wake up late for the raid. |
| 22:07.28 | Polarina | Kaso: I use the POSIX standard. |
| 22:07.32 | Rayne | Then again |
| 22:07.38 | Rayne | Im not tanking this week for Kara :D |
| 22:07.46 | zenzelezz | WinSock is mostly wrappers for the C functions |
| 22:07.55 | Kaso | Is there any function to return the plaintext equivilent of the Winsock error codes returned by WSAGetLastError() |
| 22:07.56 | |Jelly| | I need to completely rewrite the addons list for the toc poster. |
| 22:08.02 | |Jelly| | ...I've been meaning to do that for a while |
| 22:08.42 | Rayne | Please take out those ugly, bad compilations please :/ |
| 22:09.00 | bleeter | man, hortus needs to get on IRC some day so we can give him some random loving |
| 22:12.26 | Rayne | god damnit jelly you sent me that message and my IRC tripped out for some reason |
| 22:13.15 | malreth | reading the mage forums, i'm so glad i'm not in a guild that requires mandatory specs for raiding |
| 22:13.37 | Rayne | whys that? |
| 22:13.42 | malreth | people saying things like, "if i were specced that way i'd be replaced with hunter" |
| 22:13.47 | |Jelly| | Rayne: L2IRC |
| 22:14.01 | malreth | i mean, where's the fun in being with people like that? |
| 22:14.05 | Rayne | IRC never worked for me for the longest time |
| 22:14.29 | Rayne | malreth, to be fair, if youre not specced right for the place youre basicly...well, not useful. :/ |
| 22:14.30 | zenzelezz | Kaso: remind me, does WSAGetLastError return a dword or something? |
| 22:14.42 | Lunessa | malreth: I can't imagine being in a required-spec guild. |
| 22:14.44 | Rayne | which is why you never see full Demo locks in raids, cause theyre fuckin useless. |
| 22:14.51 | Rayne | Useless outside of em too imo |
| 22:15.18 | Kaso | it returns an int zenzelezz |
| 22:15.26 | Rayne | :O |
| 22:15.38 | Rayne | BBC has been flagged as popular on WoWInterface O_o |
| 22:15.52 | buu | malreth: The fun is when you WIN. |
| 22:16.11 | malreth | buu: i'd say the fun is when you are with people that you like |
| 22:16.15 | buu | Pssh. |
| 22:16.18 | buu | That's what bars are for. |
| 22:16.21 | buu | Guilds are for winning. |
| 22:16.33 | malreth | don't have time for bars... takes away from game time |
| 22:16.34 | buu | Rayne: Felguards can do pretty string dps. |
| 22:16.55 | zenzelezz | Kaso: did you try FormatMessage? Not sure if it handles the winsock codes as well |
| 22:16.58 | bleeter | bars are for getting hammered, with or without people you like is irrelevant |
| 22:17.39 | Kaso | i'll give it a go |
| 22:18.49 | Lunessa | being hammered is for fun! |
| 22:19.17 | malreth | gaming consoles are for reading web pages! |
| 22:19.45 | |Jelly| | lol. my job told me it was probably best (pending I can handle it) to take a shot before I came to work. |
| 22:20.00 | |Jelly| | (I only read what Lunessa said and nothing else so I don't know what the conversation is) |
| 22:20.02 | Rayne | What do you do? |
| 22:20.09 | |Jelly| | Wait tables. |
| 22:20.10 | malreth | Jelly's an exotic dancer |
| 22:20.16 | Rayne | yeah I thought so |
| 22:20.17 | |Jelly| | Nowai. |
| 22:20.18 | Rayne | dancer |
| 22:20.31 | malreth | by 'wait' he means 'dance on top of' |
| 22:20.52 | Lunessa | |Jelly|: Back when I was a DJ, I drank on the job. It was expected, and in some cases (customer buys drinks) required. |
| 22:21.16 | |Jelly| | lol |
| 22:21.20 | |Jelly| | I wanna bartend but eh. |
| 22:21.27 | malreth | http://www.dieselsweeties.com/archive.php?s=1888 |
| 22:21.27 | |Jelly| | TABC = :| |
| 22:21.34 | Lunessa | Bartenders rarely actually drink on the job. |
| 22:21.39 | bleeter | do I hear 3? |
| 22:21.56 | |Jelly| | Lunessa: I wasn't really talking about drinking on the job. (Sorry...I'm scatterbrained atm) |
| 22:22.20 | Lunessa | I need to renew my TABC license. |
| 22:22.45 | Polarina | bleeter: I want to test that out. :) |
| 22:23.32 | Polarina | I'm going to copy my character before the PTRs get up so I don't have to enter the queue. |
| 22:23.46 | Lunessa | *sigh* http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2967996187&sid=1 - seriously, how many people REALLY need 72 action buttons all the time. |
| 22:24.41 | Polarina | Now I have finished copying my character. :D |
| 22:24.48 | Polarina | Before the PTRs go up. :) |
| 22:25.01 | bleeter | too busy |
| 22:25.06 | bleeter | oh, you're EU PTR? |
| 22:25.08 | |Jelly| | Lunessa: I've got you covered. :P |
| 22:25.11 | Polarina | bleeter: Yes. |
| 22:26.05 | Polarina | bleeter: If you initiate your copy a number of hours before the PTRs are up, you will have your copy finished by the time they go up. |
| 22:27.29 | bleeter | Polarina: seems US PTR isn't ready yet (copy 'busy' and d/l still for 0.3.0) |
| 22:27.45 | |Jelly| | Anyone else find it funny that it seems everyone automatically thinks there's a download for every UI people post? |
| 22:28.49 | bleeter | s/funny/sad/ |
| 22:28.54 | |Jelly| | kek |
| 22:33.14 | Lunessa | There are reasons none of my code (other than lolmacros) is posted. Those reasons are called users. |
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| 22:42.13 | bleeter | US 2.3.2 PTR client's avail for d/l |
| 22:42.32 | bleeter | char copy still 'too busy' from my point of view |
| 22:43.11 | Polarina | bleeter: EU PTRs are up! |
| 22:44.15 | MentalPower|Food | 2.3.2 client... bleeter's too fast |
| 22:48.28 | bleeter | launches fine in Wine... I'm guessing ingame's fine too or else Polarina would've been screaming by now ;) |
| 22:48.48 | Polarina | bleeter: Try Direct3D mode. |
| 22:49.08 | bleeter | Polarina: pass (or has the infinite bug thing been fixed?) |
| 22:49.09 | buu | Anyone have a combatlog from a decent raid? |
| 22:49.25 | Polarina | bleeter: I haven't tried it yet. Could you try it? |
| 22:49.32 | bleeter | Polarina: from memory, I was advised by one of the wine guys that wow should be played in OGL over D3D anyways |
| 22:49.43 | bleeter | Polarina: on 2.3.2? no US realms yet |
| 22:49.49 | Polarina | bleeter: But D3D used to work. |
| 22:51.22 | bleeter | Polarina: yeah, if you look at the bug report, it's a regression thing nastily tied into.. ugh, can't recall the function. but it's fairly deep and covers part of the overall d3d re-write they did at the time. |
| 22:52.00 | bleeter | and afaik, WoW's the only game effected by it - and given the 'preferred' renderer is OGL... I'm not excusing it, just saying why it's probably not considered a Wine Breaker atm |
| 22:53.37 | Polarina | bleeter: It is a regression, I don't care if it's because of their rewrite or not. IT IS A REGRESSION! |
| 22:54.24 | bleeter | Polarina: agreed. anyways, the bug report appears to identify the point at which breakage ocurred, just no-one's managed to generate a fix yet |
| 22:54.46 | Polarina | bleeter: Link? |
| 22:55.32 | bleeter | Polarina: http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8774 |
| 22:55.59 | bleeter | Polarina: the alleged breakage is indicated in the bisect from comment #3 |
| 22:57.56 | Polarina | bleeter: Thanks. |
| 22:59.12 | Lunessa | Ciao tutti. Out until Saturday. |
| 22:59.59 | Polarina | bleeter: This is just a tiny little patch that caused the regression. ... |
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| 23:03.23 | Polarina | bleeter: Has anyone tried reverting that patch to see if that fixed the bug |
| 23:03.24 | Polarina | ? |
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| 23:13.46 | pez| | ah, sweet. my back is borkedl |
| 23:13.53 | Cide | break it |
| 23:13.56 | Cide | thank me later |
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| 23:14.12 | Cide | hi widgerticktockticktock |
| 23:14.15 | pez| | I'd rather not XD |
| 23:14.22 | widgertick | Heya =D |
| 23:18.23 | Cairenn | *walk up to counter at A&W* "Ohai, I can has cheezburger plz" "Huh?" |
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| 23:19.01 | Wobwork | Cairenn: Clearly you need to be in a catsuit |
| 23:19.10 | Cairenn | you wish ;) |
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| 23:22.13 | Wobwork | sigh |
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| 23:22.24 | Wobwork | the problem with working with the latest version of Firefox is lack of extensions |
| 23:22.26 | Shirik | okay.... |
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| 23:22.29 | Shirik | stupid laptop |
| 23:23.07 | Duman | sounds like that Gifford guy wants SEXYTIME w/ Jelly |
| 23:23.33 | Shirik | I got my desktop to work! (Yey) |
| 23:23.45 | Cide | congrats, noob. |
| 23:23.50 | Shirik | hey, I don't live here |
| 23:23.52 | Cairenn | Shirik: thank goodness? |
| 23:23.55 | Shirik | this computer probably hasn't been on in 2 years |
| 23:24.04 | Wobwork | also, why did they remove the version filter on the firefox addons page? |
| 23:24.10 | Wobwork | cause omg, so hard to find stuff now |
| 23:24.19 | Cide | Shirik: well, would it starve out of lack of electricity, or what? :P |
| 23:24.33 | Shirik | I bought a new video card for less than $100 |
| 23:24.37 | Shirik | sadly, it's better than the one I have at home |
| 23:24.43 | Shirik | which I got for $500 =( |
| 23:25.25 | Shirik | holy crap my parents internet is fast |
| 23:25.34 | Shirik | downloading drivers from nvidia.com at 2500 KB/sec |
| 23:26.09 | Kelfarr | damn the mage changes are pretty good |
| 23:27.32 | |Jelly| | nothx |
| 23:28.44 | bleeter | Polarina: not that I'm aware, but I'm lead to believe that the change was part of the compelte overhaul of D3D code, so I woul not be suprised if simply reverting that change borke stuff more |
| 23:29.22 | Polarina | bleeter: Still, if that is necessary, we have to. All regressions must be fixed. MUST! |
| 23:29.24 | Polarina | Good night. |
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| 23:30.49 | |Jelly| | ~poke Shirik |
| 23:30.49 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Shirik, pokes Shirik repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 23:30.52 | Shirik | rawr |
| 23:31.27 | |Jelly| | hehe |
| 23:31.43 | Shirik | whee, time to download a 700MB patch |
| 23:31.49 | Shirik | let's see how long it takes. Current time: 6:34 |
| 23:32.10 | Polarina | Shirik: Test out the upload speed. |
| 23:32.34 | Shirik | well I'm currently uploading to the blizzard p2p thing at 200KB/sec |
| 23:32.37 | pez| | Anyone here know how the DepositBox hides money from you? :p |
| 23:32.40 | Shirik | which is twice as fast as I'm downloading -_- |
| 23:32.45 | Polarina | Shirik: Wow. |
| 23:33.11 | Shirik | night |
| 23:33.24 | MentalPower | pez|: prolly hooking PlayerMoney() |
| 23:34.28 | Wobwork | Shirik: I <3 speeds like that =) |
| 23:34.47 | Shirik | they don't even use the internet |
| 23:34.51 | Shirik | I don't know why they have this |
| 23:34.57 | Shirik | it's like for their e-peen or something without the E |
| 23:35.51 | Polarina | Shirik: I downloaded once at 25 MiB/s on a 1 MiB/s connection. The ISPs netlimiter was broken for a while. :P |
| 23:36.16 | Polarina | Shirik: I managed to download tons of computer games through P2P before they got it fixed. xD |
| 23:36.41 | Wobwork | Polarina: Did you move backwards in time simultaneously? =) |
| 23:36.57 | Polarina | Wobwork: No... |
| 23:37.19 | Polarina | Bye. |
| 23:37.24 | Shirik | there are a lot of flaws with the current way ISPs provide service |
| 23:37.45 | Shirik | one person with an evil mind will be able to take down most neighborhood cable services if they wanted to (assuming they connected to it) |
| 23:38.23 | pez| | MentalPower: ooh, okkeg, thanks. :D I'll read up on that^^ |
| 23:39.00 | Shirik | "Your computer appears to be behind a firewall" my butt@ |
| 23:39.46 | Shirik | is there a mirror site for the patch? |
| 23:40.47 | MentalPower | Shirik: PC? |
| 23:40.59 | Shirik | yes |
| 23:41.27 | Wobwork | woah |
| 23:41.33 | Cide | >>> ("a"):match("^([^ ]+) ?(.*)"), ("abc defg"):match("^([^ ]+) ?(.*)") |
| 23:41.33 | Cide | Cide: "a", "abc", "defg" |
| 23:41.34 | Shirik | it's not on fileplanet =( |
| 23:41.39 | Wobwork | internode |
| 23:41.41 | Wobwork | try taht |
| 23:41.51 | Wobwork | I got 2k KB/s downloads from there =) |
| 23:42.06 | Shirik | uh |
| 23:42.07 | Wobwork | PS, long copyright thread is even longer |
| 23:42.08 | Shirik | internode.com? |
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| 23:42.19 | Wobwork | get the link off wowwiki for the mirror sites |
| 23:42.25 | Wobwork | patch mirror sites |
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| 23:44.34 | Shirik | heh |
| 23:44.36 | Shirik | this is fun to watch |
| 23:44.42 | Shirik | 200KB/sec right now but it's steadily going up |
| 23:44.49 | Shirik | like increasing 2KB/sec/sec |
| 23:44.59 | Cide | nice acceleration |
| 23:45.21 | Cide | that means |
| 23:45.23 | |Jelly| | [17:44]<Shirik>like increasing 2KB/sec/sec -- NERD |
| 23:45.28 | Shirik | quiet you |
| 23:45.43 | Shirik | now find the double derivative of this so I can determine when I'll hit 1MB/sec! |
| 23:45.46 | Shirik | integral* |
| 23:45.57 | Shirik | actually that's single integral |
| 23:45.58 | |Jelly| | NOUIMO |
| 23:46.00 | Shirik | I need to go to sleep |
| 23:46.10 | Cide | downloaded_amount = initial_speed * time + at^2/2 |
| 23:46.37 | Cide | (did I get that right?) |
| 23:46.41 | Shirik | don't think so |
| 23:46.45 | Cide | you sure? |
| 23:47.30 | Shirik | Vi = 200KB/sec, A = 2KB/s^2. N = integral(A*t + Vi) = A/2 * t^2 + Vi * t = t^2 + 200t |
| 23:47.31 | Shirik | you're right |
| 23:47.43 | Shirik | sorry, you simplified something that I didn't expect so it caught me off guard :) |
| 23:48.12 | Shirik | so, solve for |
| 23:48.27 | Cide | since it's constant acceleration, it's the same as s = Vi*t + at^2/2 |
| 23:49.06 | Wobwork | I'd say by the time you figure it out |
| 23:49.06 | Shirik | 692.3 * 1024 * 1024 = (2 * 1024) * t^2 + 200 * 1024 * t |
| 23:49.18 | Wobwork | you'll have hit 1MB/s ages ago |
| 23:50.12 | Shirik | 692.3 * 1024 / 2 = t^2 + 100t ==> t^2 + 100t - 692.3*1024/2 |
| 23:50.14 | Shirik | quadratics ftw |
| 23:50.30 | Wobwork | have you hit 1MB/s yet? |
| 23:50.37 | Shirik | shh |
| 23:50.40 | Shirik | trying to figure this out |
| 23:50.45 | Cide | just draw the graph :P |
| 23:50.47 | Cide | much faster! |
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| 23:51.14 | kergoth | wtf, why is my crit chance higher with my fishing pole than with my emerald ripper? |
| 23:51.14 | Cide | (less fun, but hey, time is running out!) |
| 23:51.21 | |Jelly| | roflamo |
| 23:51.26 | buu | kergoth: Um. Gems? |
| 23:51.35 | Shirik | >>> return (-100 + Math.sqrt(100^2 - 4 * 692.3 * 1024 / 2))/(2 * 692.3),(-100 - Math.sqrt(100^2 - 4 * 692.3 * 1024 / 2))/(2 * 692.3) |
| 23:51.39 | Shirik | ?? |
| 23:51.44 | Shirik | Cide -_- |
| 23:51.55 | Cide | math |
| 23:51.56 | Cide | not Math |
| 23:51.56 | Shirik | >>> return (-100 + math.sqrt(100^2 - 4 * 692.3 * 1024 / 2))/(2 * 692.3),(-100 - math.sqrt(100^2 - 4 * 692.3 * 1024 / 2))/(2 * 692.3) |
| 23:51.57 | Cide | Shirik: -1.#IND, -1.#IND |
| 23:52.06 | Shirik | Java ftl |
| 23:52.06 | Cide | hahaha |
| 23:52.09 | Shirik | anyway, so yeah |
| 23:52.14 | Shirik | I think I simplified something wrong |
| 23:52.20 | Shirik | when I converted to bytes |
| 23:52.20 | Cide | probably |
| 23:52.28 | Wobwork | hurrah |
| 23:52.28 | Wobwork | * Freezing Trap is no longer limited to one target at a time. |
| 23:52.29 | Shirik | oh I know |
| 23:52.48 | Shirik | >>> return (-100 + math.sqrt((100* 1024)^2 - 4 * 692.3 * 1024 / 2))/(2 * 692.3),(-100 - math.sqrt((100*1024)^2 - 4 * 692.3 * 1024 / 2))/(2 * 692.3) |
| 23:52.48 | Cide | Shirik: 73.879154099351, -74.023600148751 |
| 23:52.57 | Wobwork | oh wow |
| 23:53.04 | Wobwork | three charges on mana gems |
| 23:53.12 | Shirik | 73.8791 seconds, not bad |
| 23:53.19 | Shirik | too bad it didn't end up like that |
| 23:53.20 | Shirik | but not bad |
| 23:53.38 | Wobwork | * Hemorrhage: Rank 4 of this ability no longer has its charges consumed by non-physical attacks and spells. |
| 23:53.40 | Wobwork | oh thank god |
| 23:53.57 | Wobwork | so much effort to maintain a stack =P |
| 23:54.44 | Wobwork | oh I have no issue with physical attacks using up charges |
| 23:54.59 | Wobwork | it's the non-physical/spells using up charges without benefiting from the +damage that irritate me |
| 23:55.29 | Wobwork | hell, if hemo benefitted +damage to spells, I'd be all for it |
| 23:56.42 | Shirik | hmmm |
| 23:56.49 | Shirik | when I enable tor, I can't connect to my guild website anymore |
| 23:57.16 | MentalPower | Shirik: your guilds host prolly blocks tor |
| 23:57.31 | Shirik | negative, given that I have full control over it |
| 23:57.38 | Shirik | actually, this leads me to believe I did something wrong: |
| 23:57.39 | Shirik | The proxy server is refusing connections |
| 23:57.40 | Shirik | Firefox is configured to use a proxy server that is refusing connections. |
| 23:57.43 | Wobwork | * You can now see raid members on the minimap as dark blue dots inaddition to party members which still display as light blue dots. |
| 23:57.43 | Cide | SetOverrideBinding(owner, isPriority, "KEY" [, "COMMAND"]) |
| 23:57.45 | Wobwork | oh nice |
| 23:57.46 | Cide | is owner a frame? |
| 23:58.00 | Wobwork | I've always disliked how I can't seen raidmembers |
| 23:58.33 | Shirik | me too |
