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| 00:03.47 | cHao | re :) |
| 00:04.27 | cHao | k....starting up wow, and seeing what breaks...lol |
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| 00:08.41 | KarlKFI | so was there a patch? not at home |
| 00:08.58 | Cairenn | no, no patch |
| 00:09.20 | Cairenn | everyone say "Hi" to the newest member of the Blizz UI team, zootfizzle: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3389609103&sid=1 |
| 00:09.22 | KarlKFI | wtb 2.3.2 |
| 00:09.40 | KarlKFI | zoot zoot |
| 00:10.50 | Kelfarr | WOW RAYNE |
| 00:11.06 | Kelfarr | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v442/SinOfDreams/WoWScrnShot_121107_173708.jpg wow awesome |
| 00:12.24 | cHao | nice :) |
| 00:12.51 | KarlKFI | hey look, it's soulgaiden. he's in my guild :) |
| 00:12.59 | cHao | :) |
| 00:14.08 | Kelfarr | you play raynes server also? |
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| 00:15.13 | KarlKFI | KJ |
| 00:15.18 | foxlit | how do people play with no AA? |
| 00:15.22 | foxlit | Things look horrible :/ |
| 00:15.37 | KarlKFI | i disable AA for video recording usually |
| 00:15.57 | KarlKFI | compresses better with sharp lines |
| 00:16.37 | *** topic/#wowi-lounge by Cairenn -> #wowi-lounge: Paste Code Here: http://wowi.pastey.net | 2.3.x ToC: 20300 | everyone say "Hi" to the newest member of the Blizz UI team, zootfizzle: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3389609103&sid=1 |
| 00:16.47 | foxlit | Perhaps, but for screenshots, meh. |
| 00:16.54 | Kelfarr | 5 of my friends play on KJ alliance also |
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| 00:18.25 | Thunder_Child | i said hi....in my usual way of welcomeing people |
| 00:18.49 | foxlit | "I'll rip your heart out and feed it to my pet hamster?" |
| 00:18.51 | KarlKFI | that's cause KJ is awesome |
| 00:18.55 | Thunder_Child | close |
| 00:19.01 | KarlKFI | unless you try top pug a bg |
| 00:19.06 | Thunder_Child | someone else will rip your heart out.....etc. |
| 00:19.28 | KarlKFI | but all you gotta do it made a pug premade and suddenly we win all the time |
| 00:21.11 | Cairenn | Thunder_Child: rofl at your "hi" |
| 00:21.19 | Thunder_Child | :D |
| 00:21.32 | foxlit | hm, brilliant idea hatched, time to sleep |
| 00:22.27 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn, when |Jelly| sees that though i may not be enjoying myself so much |
| 00:22.34 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 00:23.25 | foxlit | meh, most of addon authors are trolls anyway |
| 00:23.37 | foxlit | s/ of// |
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| 00:24.07 | Thunder_Child | thats true, most do play horde |
| 00:24.08 | Lunessa | *cough* I'm not a troll, and I don't care what the rumors say. Night Elves are not descended from trolls! |
| 00:24.59 | Lunessa | Night all - off to the casa and some quality time with WoW for me. |
| 00:25.10 | Thunder_Child | laters Lunessa |
| 00:25.35 | Thunder_Child | although most people have quality time with others...not wow |
| 00:34.59 | Shirik | wtf? |
| 00:35.04 | Shirik | is thrall the new chuck norris or something? |
| 00:35.22 | Shirik | Trade chat is spammed with "Thrall goes to bed with a night lite on, because the dark is afraid of Thrall" |
| 00:36.05 | cHao | heh |
| 00:36.43 | cHao | wonder if somebody wrote an addon to auto ignore anyone that says chuck norris jokes, and that's the workaround..? :) |
| 00:44.37 | Dreagar | sorry for freakin out like that ya'll. hard to deal with this, and a screamin three year old who wont listen at the same time. just lost it for a minnit. i'm gonna quit codin till i've plugged my way thru the pil. |
| 00:45.13 | cHao | don't totally quit...practice is good :) just start small, and work your way up |
| 00:45.52 | cHao | my first addon did nothing but pop up a "hello world" message...lol |
| 00:46.38 | AnduinLothar | message("Hello World"); *ERROR ERROR* |
| 00:46.48 | cHao | :) |
| 00:47.43 | cHao | and the practice will show you what you understand yet, and what you need to look over again |
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| 01:00.03 | MrUseful | Arena Points updated. You are eligible for points if: Team fought min. 10 matches and you participated in 30% of the matches. |
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| 01:06.55 | Mike-N-Go | "WoW Saves Boys Life" via http://www.curse.com/articles/details/4193/ |
| 01:08.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh man, the one known as Jelly got owned in that Zoot thread |
| 01:08.33 | ScytheBlade1 | And I just noticed that |
| 01:10.20 | Duman | bahah |
| 01:10.22 | haste | Mike-N-Go: lol, that story is from 21.11 or so :p |
| 01:10.32 | haste | the original that is |
| 01:10.46 | Thunder_Child | yes ScytheBlade1, i am an asshole |
| 01:11.05 | ScytheBlade1 | And you are good at it |
| 01:11.37 | Thunder_Child | ty, tyvm |
| 01:11.43 | Thunder_Child | /bow |
| 01:23.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | - "When you get to level 30 you learn the skill "Feign Death", so that is what I did, and after a little while the moose walked away" says Hans to the newspaper. |
| 01:23.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's a good way to get stomped to death |
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| 01:27.54 | alestane | What exactly are you quoting? |
| 01:28.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.curse.com/articles/details/4193/ |
| 01:28.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | alestane |
| 01:28.46 | alestane | I don't know if that's cool or sad. |
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| 01:30.23 | XMLworks | can anyone recommend the best way to read or study incoming wow event arguments? |
| 01:30.50 | XMLworks | many of the events are not well elaborated and I would like to see what arguments are being passed in game |
| 01:31.00 | alestane | DevTools. |
| 01:31.01 | XMLworks | is this a packet/memory sniffing endeavor? |
| 01:31.08 | alestane | No, it's a mod. |
| 01:31.19 | XMLworks | awesome, ty |
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| 01:37.21 | XMLworks | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:37.27 | XMLworks | i see |
| 01:37.32 | XMLworks | hmmm |
| 01:42.46 | AnduinLothar | is there an info page on all the capibilities of the guild bank? |
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| 01:43.55 | clad|sleep | i could send you that part of the API |
| 01:43.56 | clad|sleep | if it'l help |
| 01:45.11 | clad|sleep | night all |
| 01:45.24 | Thunder_Child | night clad |
| 01:45.58 | AnduinLothar | mmm |
| 01:46.04 | AnduinLothar | needs to be a wow info page |
| 01:46.26 | AnduinLothar | so guild memebers know how it works |
| 01:47.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | it works like a regular bank only it's shared between guild members and instead of bags has pages you buy with 98 slots a piece |
| 01:47.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | D: |
| 01:47.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | what is there to understand :[ |
| 01:48.20 | Shirik | pop quiz |
| 01:48.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | other than how permissions work but people that don't understand permissions shouldn't worry about them |
| 01:48.26 | Shirik | righteous fury: spell hit or melee hit |
| 01:48.29 | Shirik | er |
| 01:48.31 | Shirik | righteous defense |
| 01:49.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's holy school but you never know |
| 01:49.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | well actually |
| 01:49.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | how it works it shouldn't matter |
| 01:49.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | since you target a friendly |
| 01:49.56 | Shirik | except it can still be resisted |
| 01:50.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | well, it may not be effected by it at all, regardless, unless the latest patch notes said it did |
| 01:50.29 | AnduinLothar | they jsut changed it to melee hit |
| 01:50.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | because taunt wasn't effected by either until just recently |
| 01:50.46 | Shirik | "said it did" |
| 01:50.46 | Shirik | ok |
| 01:50.47 | Shirik | thanks |
| 01:51.44 | alestane | "Righteous Defense: The chance for this ability to land successfully on its targets is now increased by hit rating." |
| 01:52.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah i didn't even look at the paladin section of the patch notes |
| 01:52.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | my highest level pally is 6 |
| 01:52.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | because leveling them is painful |
| 01:52.33 | XMLworks | so... if I am trying to view the args being passed through, say CHAT_MSG_PARTY, how would i use DevTools to do this |
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| 01:52.42 | XMLworks | would i /dump CHAT_MSG_PARTY ? |
| 01:53.37 | alestane | I've only ever used the tracker window. But AFAIK all CHAT_MSG_ events have one argument...the chat string. |
| 01:54.03 | XMLworks | tracker window? hmm, what the hell did i download |
| 01:54.10 | XMLworks | its not only text based? |
| 01:54.13 | dylanm | Oh, DevTools? |
| 01:54.17 | dylanm | What are you trying to do with it? |
| 01:54.31 | XMLworks | view what info is being passed through arguments for certain events |
| 01:54.42 | XMLworks | lots of events are not well elaborated |
| 01:54.50 | XMLworks | just curious to see some of the args being passed |
| 01:55.16 | dylanm | A chat even or just any event? |
| 01:55.51 | XMLworks | any event |
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| 01:55.51 | XMLworks | just so i can poke around and see what is getting passed |
| 01:55.52 | alestane | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:55.52 | XMLworks | i am using party chat events because i know what i should see |
| 01:56.02 | alestane | I think there's a /dtevents command that will open the event tracker window. |
| 01:56.07 | dylanm | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:56.17 | dylanm | I don't use it much |
| 01:57.46 | alestane | "/dtchatevent: Toggle chat event tracking/debugging (this is a saved setting). When |
| 01:57.46 | alestane | active each chat frame message (in all standard ChatFrames) will be |
| 01:57.46 | alestane | prefixed by a marker that can be clicked on the pop up the details of |
| 01:57.47 | alestane | the event that created it." |
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| 01:59.17 | alestane | That's what I get for using gopy/paste. |
| 02:00.40 | alestane | But there was a readme file included with the add-on. |
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| 02:04.18 | XMLworks | nice /dtevents will be very helpfull |
| 02:04.32 | XMLworks | but it doesnt show or store the args that are being passed |
| 02:05.12 | XMLworks | any other thoughts on how i may be able to view or see the events being passed? |
| 02:05.56 | dylanm | You create a dummy addon. |
| 02:06.13 | dylanm | Or slap it into whatever you're working on at the present. That's all I do :p |
| 02:06.27 | XMLworks | and when an arg gets passed, just store arg in my own variable? |
| 02:06.52 | dylanm | print it |
| 02:07.11 | XMLworks | of course |
| 02:09.19 | alestane | I think it does show the args if you click on the event in the window. |
| 02:11.06 | XMLworks | nice! |
| 02:11.12 | XMLworks | thank you much! |
| 02:12.18 | alestane | Yes it does, I just checked. |
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| 02:41.35 | Dreagar | wow, you don't have to use ; to denote end of statement in lua? don't have to use ; at all?? |
| 02:42.39 | alestane | You can put it between statements, but it has little or no meaning as far as the syntax is concerned. |
| 02:44.07 | Shirik | damn |
| 02:44.12 | Shirik | 96% on my telecomms final |
| 02:44.19 | alestane | Cool. |
| 02:44.35 | Shirik | I missed 1.3 questions grr |
| 02:47.29 | cogwheel | only time i ever use semicolons is in complex one-liners (like macro scripts) |
| 02:47.41 | cogwheel | and only for clarity |
| 02:49.52 | Dreagar | can i use em anyways? kinda helps me keep things proper? |
| 02:50.05 | Rayne | hmm |
| 02:50.29 | Rayne | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v442/SinOfDreams/WoWScrnShot_121107_214830.jpg that do you guys think? |
| 02:50.34 | Rayne | crap bolded |
| 02:51.12 | Dreagar | slick rayne |
| 02:51.57 | Rayne | Im not sure if im digging the ToT yet... |
| 02:53.53 | Dreagar | ToT? |
| 02:54.32 | Rayne | Target of Target |
| 02:54.40 | Rayne | (the top little one on the right side) |
| 02:55.16 | Dreagar | ahh, well suppose it's opinion |
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| 02:56.54 | Dreagar | i think it's nice to have. |
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| 03:02.39 | Rayne | I want to have it, its just im not sure if im keen on where it is or how it looks |
| 03:02.49 | Rayne | probably because im used to my old layout still |
| 03:04.17 | dylanm | I liked your old one just fine tbh |
| 03:05.06 | Rayne | Well, this one im working on will be a seperate DL |
| 03:05.25 | Rayne | just I felt inspired to make a more minimalistic UI |
| 03:11.17 | Cairenn | later guys |
| 03:20.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Holy crap, GM ownage |
| 03:20.56 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3271075976&pageNo=2&sid=1#29 |
| 03:26.56 | malreth | oh snap! |
| 03:27.17 | buu | How odd. |
| 03:27.41 | buu | "I'm sorry, Fiercehunter, but you certainly do not have only 47 gold on that character. Perhaps you were not aware of the gold being gathered while the character was leveled. |
| 03:27.44 | buu | Perhaps it happened while your whisper was broken for 3 days and you were trying to get it resolved with the eight petitions you did not submit. " |
| 03:27.47 | buu | What does that even mean? |
| 03:27.50 | buu | IT DOES NOT COMPUTE. |
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| 03:34.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Guy got owned |
| 03:35.49 | buu | I guess they're saying it was power leveled to 67? |
| 03:36.01 | buu | And what's with the "eight petitions you did not submit" |
| 03:36.02 | cHao | short version...he got busted for paying a powerleveler |
| 03:36.09 | buu | If it was a leveling service, how are petitions involved? |
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| 03:37.06 | ScytheBlade1 | " I got a notice from Blizzard in my email along with an annoying password change (thanks a lot!) for "exploiting the economy"." |
| 03:37.12 | ScytheBlade1 | That's why |
| 03:37.31 | ScytheBlade1 | He had some reason to post and whatnot |
| 03:37.35 | buu | Er, but. |
| 03:37.43 | buu | That doesn't explain the petitions. |
| 03:37.45 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3271075976&sid=1&pageNo=1#0 |
| 03:37.48 | cHao | gm whispered to him....he didn't whisper back. least that's what it sounds like. :) |
| 03:37.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Read his original post |
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| 03:38.54 | buu | ScytheBlade1: I did.. |
| 03:39.25 | buu | The "perhaps your whisper was broken for 3 days" makes sense in that context |
| 03:39.36 | buu | But why would he say "the eight petitions you did not submit" |
| 03:39.47 | cHao | so either he was botting, or someone else was power leveling him. cause if he had problems replying to a gm, he would have filed a ticket |
| 03:40.06 | malreth | the powerleveler may have submitted the tickets |
| 03:40.20 | buu | malreth: that's the part that doesn't make sense. |
| 03:40.32 | buu | cHao: That makes .. some degree of sense. |
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| 03:43.06 | cHao | i just love how they were watching his cheating ass for three whole days before they brought the hammer down :) |
| 03:47.47 | bleeter | oooh, WotLK beta eh |
| 03:49.20 | ScytheBlade1 | ? |
| 03:50.49 | bleeter | thing on the homepage about the new wow lappy |
| 03:51.05 | bleeter | apart from the lappy, one scores "# |
| 03:51.07 | bleeter | # A World of Warcraft Beta Club Card to enable customers to take part in upcoming public beta tests." |
| 03:51.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh, yeah |
| 03:51.33 | bleeter | and bornakk's comment: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3271075938&postId=33537773486&sid=1#2 |
| 03:51.35 | Thunder_Child | same as the blizzcon card i assume |
| 03:52.01 | bleeter | Thunder_Child: ah, prolly |
| 03:52.52 | bleeter | I almost posted into Zootfizzle's 'welcome' thread "Just remember UI 101, if it's gone wrong, it's Cide's fault. If it hasn't gone wrong, fix it soon 'coz Cide's about to wake up and snafu it' ;) |
| 03:53.14 | malreth | nuh uh... sometimes it's tem's fault |
| 03:53.38 | Tem | huh what?> |
| 03:53.52 | Thunder_Child | "Starting Price$7,194" |
| 03:53.59 | Thunder_Child | kinda high for a laptop |
| 03:54.01 | bleeter | malreth: that must be a pretty epic wrong, being how it's quite rare ;) |
| 03:54.11 | Thunder_Child | (tricked out though) |
| 03:57.16 | Thunder_Child | (Weight: Starting at 10.6 lbs8 (4.81 kg)) not very portible |
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| 03:59.04 | malreth | Thunder_Child: damn! apple's laptops are too damn expensive! |
| 03:59.21 | Thunder_Child | malreth, that was dell, not apple |
| 03:59.36 | Thunder_Child | their WoW version |
| 03:59.52 | malreth | :p |
| 03:59.53 | malreth | ~malreth |
| 03:59.54 | purl | malreth is always right |
| 04:00.05 | malreth | hmm... i'll accept that, purl |
| 04:00.06 | Thunder_Child | ~Thunder_Child |
| 04:00.07 | purl | Thunder_Child is an asshole |
| 04:00.17 | Thunder_Child | see, it works |
| 04:01.58 | Mike-N-Go | Anyone know some mods that block level 1 warriors from inviting me to a group, only to spam me? |
| 04:02.19 | alestane | I think it's called AutoDecline? |
| 04:03.09 | alestane | Dang Visual Studio Express is really starting to spoil me. There needs to be a Mac OS substitute. |
| 04:03.17 | bleeter | Mike-N-Go: BugMeNot |
| 04:03.43 | Mike-N-Go | Currenly, I have one ((Can't rember what it is)) that whos inviters. |
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| 04:10.12 | malreth | Ensemble does that... but i haven't updated it in ages... still works fine |
| 04:13.46 | Mike-N-Go | alestane: I'm not seeing AutoDecline anyweares, you sure it is a mod? |
| 04:14.02 | dylanm | It's on curse. |
| 04:14.44 | alestane | No, Can't say I am. I'm running off of hazy memories of other peoples' answers to this same question as posted on the forum. |
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| 04:16.34 | alestane | nevcairiel: What was the table that held all the Bartender action bars again? |
| 04:16.58 | alestane | I know it was something pretty obvious. |
| 04:18.52 | buu | bleeter: Shockingly blizzard is going to have an invite only beta for their next video game! |
| 04:19.33 | alestane | nevcairiel: nvm found it. |
| 04:22.29 | sysrage | http://www.iamawesome.com/ |
| 04:23.18 | bleeter | buu: confirmation of shinies is good (even if it's the same shiny as last time ;-) |
| 04:23.31 | buu | bleeter: Guess what! |
| 04:23.37 | buu | bleeter: There's also going to be a starcraft2 beta! |
| 04:23.38 | bleeter | ‽ |
| 04:23.45 | bleeter | !111!!11!! |
| 04:23.48 | buu | That was an interrobang wasn't it. |
| 04:23.57 | bleeter | aye |
| 04:24.05 | buu | I don't have the charset |
| 04:24.17 | buu | But apparently I can recognize it from the raw character codes. |
| 04:24.18 | bleeter | ~fail buu |
| 04:24.18 | purl | buu: Fail. |
| 04:24.45 | bleeter | ~win buu |
| 04:24.46 | purl | Congratulations, buu! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL cd's, a set of 120! |
| 04:25.48 | buu | Cool. |
| 04:25.55 | buu | I can build an extension. |
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| 04:31.34 | Shirik | I want vintage AOL cds =( |
| 04:33.20 | NightHawkTheSane | You know, for the longest time I took old cd-r spool thingies and stacked coaster cds on them. I had a metric fuckton of aol cds. |
| 04:33.24 | Industrial | I want to wake up _after_ maintenance, not before. |
| 04:34.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Haha |
| 04:34.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Jelly finally posted in the new welcome thread. |
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| 04:34.50 | bleeter | yo |Jelly| |
| 04:35.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Speak of the literal devil |
| 04:35.00 | |Jelly| | Hi |
| 04:35.58 | |Jelly| | Jelly finally got home... |
| 04:36.06 | Rayne | yay jelly :D |
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| 04:36.19 | |Jelly| | But it's ok, Kamdis texted me and I lulz'd at it. |
| 04:38.09 | ScytheBlade1 | You can't deny though, that was a classy diss. |
| 04:38.12 | Rayne | |Jelly|: Thoughts? http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v442/SinOfDreams/WoWScrnShot_121107_214830.jpg |
| 04:38.19 | ScytheBlade1 | 100% random and out of the blue |
| 04:38.20 | |Jelly| | Why can't I deny it? |
| 04:38.42 | |Jelly| | Line my help up against my flames... count them. |
| 04:39.23 | |Jelly| | All in all though, I couldn't care less. |
| 04:39.46 | |Jelly| | Rayne: I like it. There's something about it that I /don't/ like but I can't put my finger on it ATM. |
| 04:40.04 | Rayne | Prolly the ToT frame |
| 04:40.05 | |Jelly| | s/I like it./Over all, I like it./ |
| 04:41.02 | |Jelly| | No. The tot doesn't really bother me. The name font size does though. Plus, I think it needs to...not be in the border. |
| 04:42.00 | Rayne | Aight...im avoiding WoW atm so ill work on it later <_< |
| 04:42.21 | |Jelly| | You know you don't have to be on your main..or even on that server to work on a UI, right? :P |
| 04:43.13 | Rayne | yeah but im going to hop into Civ4 with friends :P |
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| 04:50.35 | sag_ich_nicht | someone say hi to him from me. wait no, don't. still no european poster. :( |
| 04:58.44 | Shirik | WRT |Jelly| / Rayne, I don't understand what the whole "minimalistic" revolution is all about |
| 04:58.56 | Shirik | I want to see what's going on, not have everything compressed into a tiny corner of my screen |
| 05:01.29 | Antiarc | I'm an infowhore. |
| 05:01.33 | Antiarc | Gimmah infermations. |
| 05:01.37 | |Jelly| | I am too. |
| 05:01.42 | |Jelly| | I just hide shit when I don't need it. :P |
| 05:01.57 | |Jelly| | ...and despite what some people may think, you don't need your minimap in a raid. :P |
| 05:02.01 | |Jelly| | ...or your quest log. |
| 05:02.13 | Antiarc | I use my minimap to locate my party members more easily |
| 05:02.18 | |Jelly| | ...or 8 billion bars, if you have things keybound and cliqued like I do |
| 05:02.21 | Antiarc | Wait, who uses a quest log at 70? |
| 05:02.37 | buu | Antiarc: People doing quests? |
| 05:02.41 | Antiarc | I have lots of bars because I use them to monitor cooldowns/energy availability |
| 05:02.51 | bleeter | how many folks who are awake atm using the socat NODELAY hack? |
| 05:03.08 | Antiarc | buu: But the quest availability is so much thinner so it's not hard to know how far along you are |
| 05:03.09 | Antiarc | I dunno |
| 05:03.28 | sag_ich_nicht | bleeter what hack |
| 05:03.29 | sag_ich_nicht | also |
| 05:03.34 | Mike-N-Go | Intriguing, the last murloc did not have a head! |
| 05:03.37 | sag_ich_nicht | is there a console command to restart the sound engine? |
| 05:03.42 | bleeter | sag_ich_nicht: where u been? |
| 05:03.55 | sag_ich_nicht | bleeter: where i'm always |
| 05:03.57 | sag_ich_nicht | under the bridge |
| 05:04.02 | sag_ich_nicht | waiting for goats to assault |
| 05:04.06 | buu | Antiarc: Well, if you're clearing zones for gold.. |
| 05:04.20 | Antiarc | Sure, but that's not an ongoing thing |
| 05:04.23 | Antiarc | You do it and you're done |
| 05:04.31 | sag_ich_nicht | bleeter: sorry i was mean to you a few weeks ago |
| 05:04.35 | bleeter | sag_ich_nicht: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3271071466&sid=1 |
| 05:04.38 | sag_ich_nicht | also |
| 05:05.17 | alestane | Bleah, curse won't let me upload. |
| 05:05.20 | alestane | Night all. |
| 05:05.24 | sag_ich_nicht | curse is fucked atm |
| 05:05.28 | sag_ich_nicht | ANYWAY |
| 05:05.42 | sag_ich_nicht | could someone somewhere, please request a console command to restart the sound engine or at least make it empty out all sound effects queued? |
| 05:07.14 | sag_ich_nicht | i had a bug in kara a week ago or so where a sound effect would get "stuck", it was a spell sound effect at moroes(not that it matters, i think it could happen anywhere), so i could turn and go forward and backwards and the sound would move(well, actually i moved and the sound was stationary but meh let's not get into that) |
| 05:07.55 | bleeter | sag_ich_nicht: I'd rather have the bug with that sound in kara fixed ;) |
| 05:07.55 | sag_ich_nicht | i put it of as a minor quirk in the sound engine, but now i had that happen again at the trash before leo today, and it was being kind of annoying |
| 05:08.06 | bleeter | *sound engine |
| 05:08.08 | sag_ich_nicht | bleeter: of course, but still |
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| 05:08.23 | mattswell | neato |
| 05:08.38 | sag_ich_nicht | and, as stated in the message after that, it happened at the trash in front of leo, too, so i doubt it's local to kara |
| 05:08.39 | cHao | i hear sound effects getting kinda stuck all the time now...people do it for fun around sw now. the noise pollution's getting quite annoying. |
| 05:08.54 | sag_ich_nicht | how would you do that "for fun"? |
| 05:09.24 | cHao | dunno. but i've actually seen people doing stuff over and over again til the sound gets stuck. |
| 05:09.35 | sag_ich_nicht | bleeter: wait what, i just clicked that thread now, that sounds interesting. |
| 05:09.40 | mattswell | is it possible to call a class method from xml? MyClass:function doesn't seem to do it |
| 05:10.29 | cHao | MyClass:function probably won't work for you. i've generally seen like MyObject:function |
| 05:10.53 | cHao | lua thing |
| 05:12.08 | mattswell | the object is created in the lua file, but the xml can't get to it |
| 05:12.33 | sag_ich_nicht | bleeter: that is highly interesting. |
| 05:12.50 | cHao | does it matter whether the lua file is before or after the xml file in the toc? |
| 05:13.29 | mattswell | hmm |
| 05:13.34 | mattswell | i haven't played with reordering that |
| 05:13.43 | cHao | which one's first right now? |
| 05:13.47 | mattswell | the xml does refer to the lua in a <script> tag |
| 05:13.58 | mattswell | actually |
| 05:14.02 | mattswell | the lua isn't in the toc |
| 05:14.08 | cHao | hrm |
| 05:14.10 | mattswell | when I add it, since I refered to the lua in the xml |
| 05:14.19 | mattswell | it complains about double declarations |
| 05:14.23 | mattswell | since it loads twice |
| 05:14.33 | cHao | makes sense |
| 05:15.16 | sag_ich_nicht | bleeter: i was just going to say that IS a registry key for that, but someone already posted it |
| 05:16.06 | Shirik | Matrix110: Perhaps you could provide some code? |
| 05:16.17 | Shirik | er |
| 05:16.19 | sag_ich_nicht | *that there |
| 05:16.21 | Shirik | mattswell |
| 05:17.06 | mattswell | i think i've found the problem |
| 05:17.36 | mattswell | it was complaining about objects i made locals in the lua |
| 05:17.41 | mattswell | but the xml couldn't get to |
| 05:21.18 | sag_ich_nicht | bleeter: i'm implementing the registry side fix to force instant ACK now, but there is probably still going to be a server sided problem of the same kind, but i will monitor the difference |
| 05:26.31 | bleeter | roflz http://www.merriam-webster.com/info/07words.htm |
| 05:26.54 | sag_ich_nicht | bleeter: also, reposting this on the Bugs forum or the PTR forum might get more attention, altho it is kind of dickish :P |
| 05:27.11 | bleeter | sag_ich_nicht: it's got all the attention it needs ;) |
| 05:27.54 | sag_ich_nicht | bleeter: i have seen 20 page threads being overlooked before :P |
| 05:28.08 | bleeter | sag_ich_nicht: trsut me |
| 05:29.08 | sag_ich_nicht | bleeter: uh, okay. |
| 05:29.21 | sag_ich_nicht | bleeter: any specific reasons why i should? :P |
| 05:29.45 | bleeter | if you hadn't been under that bridge ... . |
| 05:30.38 | sag_ich_nicht | bleeter: lemme guess slouken was on IRC again and you stabbed him with the thread :P |
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| 05:42.32 | mattswell | are there any specific options I need to set for a targa file to be used in wow? |
| 05:42.58 | MentalPower | yes, there are a few |
| 05:43.02 | mattswell | like 16/24/32 bit, compression, etc |
| 05:43.07 | MentalPower | the sides need to be a power of two |
| 05:43.17 | bleeter | sag_ich_nicht: no |
| 05:43.23 | MentalPower | you need to use either 24 or 32 bit |
| 05:43.29 | MentalPower | you can use RLE compression |
| 05:43.45 | sag_ich_nicht | bleeter. well what then :P |
| 05:43.56 | MentalPower | if you use an alpha channel it needs to be its own channel in PS, *not* part of the image |
| 05:44.07 | sag_ich_nicht | that period should be a collon. |
| 05:45.03 | bleeter | what I wanna know is why, as a rogue, I can get items from the mailbox without it clearing my autoafk, but if I try when stealthed I de-stealth |
| 05:45.55 | mattswell | MentalPower: thanks |
| 05:46.22 | sag_ich_nicht | bleeter: because any interaction that involves a dialog box clears stealth |
| 05:46.42 | bleeter | sag_ich_nicht: indeed, but not afk huhwut? |
| 05:46.55 | sag_ich_nicht | my afk doesn't clear if i move |
| 05:46.56 | sag_ich_nicht | at all. |
| 05:47.07 | bleeter | autoafk |
| 05:47.16 | sag_ich_nicht | my auto afk doesn't do that either. |
| 05:47.30 | sag_ich_nicht | once i'm afk, i'm afk until i type /afk to get rid of it |
| 05:47.41 | sag_ich_nicht | at which point autodnd will go HOLY SHIT and reenable my DND. |
| 05:48.36 | sag_ich_nicht | bleeter. |
| 05:48.41 | sag_ich_nicht | afk is not a buff. |
| 05:48.44 | sag_ich_nicht | it is not a debuff either. |
| 05:48.49 | sag_ich_nicht | stealth is a buff. |
| 05:49.06 | sag_ich_nicht | interaction=remove buff. interaction!=clear flag. |
| 05:49.15 | sag_ich_nicht | that is like, a basic game mechanic. |
| 05:49.17 | sag_ich_nicht | D: |
| 05:51.31 | MentalPower | sag_ich_nicht: theres an option in the interface to allow AFK to auto-clear |
| 05:52.20 | MentalPower | hence why bleeter clears AFK when he moves and you do nor |
| 05:52.22 | MentalPower | not* |
| 05:52.31 | kd3 | boo, they fixed the forum login for frozen accounts |
| 05:54.40 | sag_ich_nicht | MentalPower: i probably ignored that one |
| 05:54.41 | sag_ich_nicht | forever. |
| 05:54.52 | bleeter | going autoafk trips the stealth timer, but doesn't destealth. reading/receiving mail destealths, but still afk. |
| 05:55.12 | sag_ich_nicht | stealth timer? |
| 05:55.19 | bleeter | cooldown |
| 05:55.22 | sag_ich_nicht | oic |
| 05:55.35 | bleeter | ~lart autoafk |
| 05:55.35 | purl | hits autoafk with an anvil and laughs with a contralto voice ... Haha Ha HA Ha |
| 05:55.38 | sag_ich_nicht | guess you found a bug there :P |
| 06:06.21 | Shirik | 14(0011:4711:4014) 14(1115sag_ich_nicht14) at which point autodnd will go HOLY SHIT and reenable my DND. |
| 06:06.23 | Shirik | autodnd? |
| 06:06.53 | Shirik | The #1 thing I can't stand about autoafk is that it removes your DND tag |
| 06:08.01 | MentalPower | its one or the other |
| 06:08.11 | MentalPower | you can't be both AFK and DND |
| 06:08.25 | MentalPower | kinda defeats the purpose of AFK |
| 06:08.43 | MentalPower | if you're AFK you can't be disturbed since you're not even there to be disturbed |
| 06:09.21 | cHao | "DND" means more like "i might be here, but i don't wanna talk to you. go away." |
| 06:10.50 | Shirik | well then let me turn off autoafk |
| 06:11.04 | sag_ich_nicht | [07:06] <+Shirik> autodnd? <--addon by cogwheel, go check wowi |
| 06:11.07 | Shirik | because I'll be there and autoafk decides "oh you're not really there" but in actuality I am |
| 06:11.37 | doize | muwaahaha |
| 06:11.40 | doize | i pwn lua |
| 06:11.49 | Shirik | lua> "lua" > "doize" |
| 06:11.49 | lua_bot | Shirik: true |
| 06:11.54 | Shirik | I think not... |
| 06:12.28 | cHao | lol |
| 06:12.56 | MentalPower | lua> "lua" > "mentalpower" |
| 06:12.57 | lua_bot | MentalPower: false |
| 06:12.59 | MentalPower | :) |
| 06:13.03 | MentalPower | I do :) |
| 06:13.13 | Shirik | lua> "mentalpower" > "shirik" |
| 06:13.13 | lua_bot | Shirik: false |
| 06:13.26 | MentalPower | bah... |
| 06:14.01 | MentalPower | lua> "shirik" > "zenzelezz" |
| 06:14.01 | lua_bot | MentalPower: false |
| 06:14.20 | MentalPower | so zenzelezz pwns all! |
| 06:15.21 | Shirik | lua> "Shirik" > "zenzelezz" |
| 06:15.22 | lua_bot | Shirik: false |
| 06:15.24 | Shirik | whoops |
| 06:15.29 | Shirik | lua> "shirik" > "Zenzelezz" |
| 06:15.30 | lua_bot | Shirik: true |
| 06:15.44 | Thunder_Child | the caps is changing things? |
| 06:15.48 | MentalPower | yeah |
| 06:15.55 | MentalPower | it compares ASCII values |
| 06:15.55 | Shirik | it just bases it off ASCII codes :) |
| 06:16.04 | Thunder_Child | ah, i wasnt following |
| 06:16.08 | Thunder_Child | just glanced over |
| 06:17.25 | cHao | how smart is that bot? :) |
| 06:17.55 | Shirik | define "smart" |
| 06:18.09 | Thunder_Child | all the bots are smarter than everyone |
| 06:18.36 | cHao | if someone were to feed it some code that put it in an infinite loop....would it shrug it off, or lock up? |
| 06:18.53 | Shirik | trust me |
| 06:19.02 | Shirik | we have spent an enormous amount of time breaking it :P |
| 06:19.06 | cHao | lol |
| 06:19.08 | Shirik | I doubt you'll find something right now |
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| 06:19.34 | Thunder_Child | so the answer to your question is that it would shrug it off |
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| 06:19.51 | Shirik | hehehe 'return "\r\nQUIT :goodbye, cruel world"' |
| 06:20.02 | MentalPower | lua> while true do end |
| 06:20.08 | lua_bot | MentalPower: sandbox.lua:154: maximum execution time (5s) exceeded |
| 06:20.20 | cHao | :) |
| 06:20.27 | MentalPower | lua> \r\nQUIT :goodbye, cruel world |
| 06:20.27 | lua_bot | MentalPower: sandbox.lua:286: Compilation failed: [string "\r\nQUIT :goodbye, cruel world"]:1: unexpected symbol near '\' |
| 06:20.37 | MentalPower | lua> "\r\nQUIT :goodbye, cruel world" |
| 06:20.37 | lua_bot | MentalPower: QUIT :goodbye, cruel world |
| 06:20.39 | Guillotine | mentalpower: I tried that :)O |
| 06:20.42 | Guillotine | a long time ago |
| 06:20.45 | MentalPower | I know you did |
| 06:20.53 | MentalPower | just illustrating that it was fixed |
| 06:20.57 | Guillotine | ah, ok :) |
| 06:21.21 | cHao | ahh...so i'm not the only one that likes to abuse the poor ots |
| 06:21.29 | cHao | bots* |
| 06:21.30 | cHao | lol |
| 06:21.35 | Thunder_Child | nope, everyone does |
| 06:21.57 | MentalPower | Shirik is the designated bot breaker |
| 06:23.35 | Shirik | me cries at "PS 250 08DB Physics III for Engineers 3.00 **** ** ***** L 08/27-12/13" |
| 06:23.45 | Shirik | I swear, professors do this to make the wait even more unbearable |
| 06:23.49 | cHao | heh |
| 06:24.22 | Shirik | My OS teacher had the grade posted like an hour after we took the exam |
| 06:24.25 | Shirik | this should be no different! |
| 06:24.42 | Shirik | You stick it into a machine, punch it into the computer, done. |
| 06:24.43 | Shirik | It's not that hard |
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| 06:25.48 | Kelfarr | [Staff of Infinite Mysteries] is mine! |
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| 06:31.18 | Shirik | who the hell names their guild "World of Warcraft" |
| 06:31.24 | Shirik | like seriously, I know there's some bad names out there |
| 06:31.27 | Shirik | but come on.... |
| 06:32.40 | Thunder_Child | are you calling WoW a bad name? |
| 06:32.47 | Thunder_Child | bad guild name maybe.... |
| 06:33.07 | Thunder_Child | besides, all that really shows is a lack of imagination |
| 06:33.37 | Kelfarr | Knights Templar = most overused guild name ever |
| 06:34.32 | Shirik | at least it's not the name of the game |
| 06:34.35 | Kelfarr | yeah |
| 06:34.36 | Shirik | like, it represents an organization |
| 06:34.39 | Shirik | not... a game |
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| 06:39.40 | Kelfarr | this is suppose to be my UI http://s2.supload.com/free/WoWScrnShot_121007_212909-20071210213219.jpg/view/ |
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| 06:48.33 | ScytheBlade1 | http://images.aboveaverageurl.com/WoW/2.3/SboUI-Raid-2.3.png |
| 06:48.37 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ mine |
| 06:49.23 | Shirik | possible spout! |
| 06:49.27 | ScytheBlade1 | ! |
| 06:49.30 | Shirik | bleh |
| 06:49.33 | ScytheBlade1 | SRS BUSINESS |
| 06:49.46 | ScytheBlade1 | In all truth I don't run any "boss mods." Never will. |
| 06:49.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Can't make me. |
| 06:49.53 | Shirik | I can't understand |
| 06:49.54 | Shirik | why the hell |
| 06:50.00 | ScytheBlade1 | But that doesn't stop them from spamming it in raid chat. |
| 06:50.05 | Shirik | people can't figure out when this huge blue beam is coming towards them |
| 06:50.13 | Shirik | they need to gtfo |
| 06:50.13 | Shirik | it's not hard |
| 06:50.15 | Shirik | blue beam of death |
| 06:50.16 | Shirik | seriously |
| 06:50.19 | ScytheBlade1 | qft |
| 06:50.20 | ScytheBlade1 | All of it |
| 06:50.21 | Tierrie | the "can't make me" mentality is quite funny to me |
| 06:50.31 | ScytheBlade1 | See, on Leotheras |
| 06:50.46 | ScytheBlade1 | "We" are having a hard time understanding what an "aggro wipe" is |
| 06:50.54 | ScytheBlade1 | So they call "stop DPS" the second he starts the whirlwind |
| 06:51.07 | ScytheBlade1 | ... even though you can continue to (ranged) DPS through it... just as long as you stop before he does. |
| 06:51.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Lot of wasted DPS there. |
| 06:51.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Or rather, DPS time. |
| 06:51.29 | ScytheBlade1 | (I keep DPSing anyways.) |
| 06:51.48 | Shirik | rofl |
| 06:51.51 | Shirik | this was just posted on our forums |
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| 06:51.57 | Shirik | "now as anyone that has ever read my post can cleary tell you, i have little to no tallent in creating a litterary body of work easyly understandable to the most open minded reader, therfor, a colaboration seams in order." |
| 06:52.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Is that a serious post? |
| 06:52.13 | Shirik | and this was actually good for him |
| 06:52.18 | Shirik | yes, this is actually one of his better posts |
| 06:52.53 | Tierrie | he sounds like chauncer |
| 06:53.23 | Tierrie | maybe you don't understand -- perhaps he time travelled from the 1300 to the present day |
| 06:53.25 | Tierrie | why do you mock him |
| 06:53.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Let me find this post... |
| 06:53.50 | Thunder_Child | |Jelly|, ping |
| 06:53.56 | |Jelly| | What? |
| 06:54.09 | Thunder_Child | "And here you have the hypocrite, Thunder_Child. Grats on bad. 8)" gratz on bad, i dont get it? |
| 06:54.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Hahaha |
| 06:54.36 | |Jelly| | You flame me for flaming? Grats on bad. |
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| 06:54.47 | Thunder_Child | ok, still not geting it |
| 06:54.58 | Thunder_Child | i may be a bit slow today |
| 06:55.08 | Shirik | ~slow Thunder_Child |
| 06:55.09 | purl | ACTION attaches a ball and chain to Thunder_Child |
| 06:55.18 | Shirik | heh |
| 06:55.22 | Thunder_Child | ~stupid Thunder_Child |
| 06:55.23 | Shirik | purl is full of wonderful things :D |
| 06:55.31 | Thunder_Child | odd...no stupid |
| 06:55.37 | Shirik | you don't even have to know if something's there |
| 06:55.39 | Shirik | you just try it |
| 06:55.43 | Shirik | and it's usually there |
| 06:55.45 | Shirik | ~stupid |
| 06:55.45 | purl | stupid is, like, http://fun.drno.de/pics/english/bart.gif, or ibot |
| 06:55.49 | Shirik | ?? |
| 06:55.59 | Shirik | lol |
| 06:56.00 | Thunder_Child | heh |
| 06:56.00 | Shirik | great picture |
| 06:56.08 | Thunder_Child | that is good |
| 06:56.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: "MMMM like the sounds of that LOL in all aspect but no kidding aside hes right it all comes down to trust once you are in the guild a little while longer u will learn our respective kill order or if that is over writen (i.e. closest to raid) things will go alot smoother" |
| 06:57.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: that's my resident guild tard... |
| 06:57.42 | Codayus | Trust = kill order? |
| 06:59.21 | Shirik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEmQHkdBHr0 |
| 06:59.25 | Cairenn | Guillotine: rofl |
| 06:59.42 | Thunder_Child | ya, i just read that |
| 06:59.56 | Shirik | Cairenn should enjoy that, I think she has cats |
| 06:59.58 | Thunder_Child | Guillotine, were you warning zoot of the people on the forums or IRC? |
| 07:00.04 | testleK | anyone know of a good mod that simply makes the buff display bar movable? |
| 07:00.06 | Cairenn | Thunder_Child: yes |
| 07:00.09 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 07:00.13 | Guillotine | TC: both :) |
| 07:00.26 | Cairenn | heh, see? told ya |
| 07:00.39 | Thunder_Child | oh...then kaydeethree needs (kd3) next to it |
| 07:00.41 | Cairenn | Shirik: seen it before, it's cute, |
| 07:01.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: that is incredible |
| 07:06.04 | Thunder_Child | "my cat just jumps on my duvet and licks itself really loudly then runs on my *****" |
| 07:06.14 | Thunder_Child | some comments just arent worth it |
| 07:09.01 | Guillotine | whos Sbo again? |
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| 07:09.09 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1 |
| 07:09.29 | Shirik | night everyone |
| 07:09.33 | Guillotine | Scythe: I was joking about the beware of thing :P Though most of us are trolls in our own way :P |
| 07:09.34 | Thunder_Child | night Shirik |
| 07:09.35 | Cairenn | night Shirik |
| 07:10.11 | Guillotine | speaking of which, anyone remember Shoryuu? |
| 07:10.11 | Thunder_Child | Guillotine, except |Jelly|, who is perfect in every way |
| 07:10.19 | |Jelly| | Pretty much. |
| 07:10.56 | Thunder_Child | uh huh... |
| 07:10.58 | Guillotine | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:11.33 | Cairenn | Guillotine: one of the best damn trolls we ever had! |
| 07:11.43 | Guillotine | indeed :( |
| 07:12.09 | Cairenn | (and you can tell the "age" of forum posters by who remembers him) |
| 07:14.05 | sag_ich_nicht | hi Guillotine |
| 07:14.07 | sag_ich_nicht | Guillotine |
| 07:14.19 | Guillotine | oh god |
| 07:14.20 | Guillotine | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:14.24 | sag_ich_nicht | hahaha |
| 07:14.25 | sag_ich_nicht | <3 |
| 07:14.27 | Guillotine | hi :) |
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| 07:14.38 | sag_ich_nicht | NuN is kind of making telltrack act weird |
| 07:14.53 | sag_ich_nicht | also, the timestamps are sometimes coming in the format of |
| 07:14.56 | sag_ich_nicht | 100000:00 |
| 07:14.57 | sag_ich_nicht | or |
| 07:15.01 | sag_ich_nicht | 10:00000 |
| 07:15.04 | sag_ich_nicht | something like that |
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| 07:15.12 | sag_ich_nicht | i can't remember where it puts the extra zeroes :P |
| 07:15.12 | Guillotine | http://www.lua.org/pil/ |
| 07:15.14 | Guillotine | go crazy |
| 07:15.19 | sag_ich_nicht | Guillotine no u |
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| 07:20.27 | Thunder_Child | Huge Toad != Huge Tool |
| 07:20.46 | mattswell | if you are going to list a player's information in a horizontal table, what is the most ideal column order? opinions :D right now i've got [ lvl, name, race, class, guild, zone, note ] |
| 07:21.02 | mattswell | i could just give the player the ability to order it however, but that's gonna take a lot more code.. |
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| 07:28.52 | MentalPower | Cairenn, Guillotine: link to whatever forum post you're trolling |
| 07:29.28 | Thunder_Child | this was an invitational troll |
| 07:29.41 | art3mis | dead rising is pretty fun |
| 07:29.51 | Cairenn | the one where we're saying "hi" to our newest UI overlord |
| 07:30.11 | art3mis | its not as super awesome as they claim in that you can only use selected things but the weapon choices are pretty cool |
| 07:33.45 | MentalPower | drats I missed it |
| 07:38.41 | Thunder_Child | MentalPower, says who? |
| 07:39.18 | MentalPower | I'm on the third page of it |
| 07:43.07 | batrick | Cairenn is tryin to scare him away |
| 07:43.16 | Cairenn | hey, Guillotine said it first! |
| 07:43.32 | batrick | cairenn shoulda made a troll alt |
| 07:43.36 | batrick | imo |
| 07:43.49 | batrick | female trolls r hotter neway |
| 07:44.40 | batrick | night all |
| 07:46.40 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn, be that as it may, you are much scarier than guillotine. |
| 07:46.56 | Cairenn | nuh uh! |
| 07:47.02 | Thunder_Child | uh huh |
| 07:48.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | my friend once had a cat i thought was relatively nice until he took a chunk out of my hand |
| 07:48.22 | Cairenn | hey, I only scratch when asked nicely ;) |
| 07:48.24 | Thunder_Child | till she gets tired and worn out from a patch week or coordinating blizcon |
| 07:48.41 | Cairenn | Thunder_Child: I wasn't scary, I was pathetic by that point! |
| 07:48.52 | Thunder_Child | whats the difference? |
| 07:48.55 | Cairenn | and drinking WAY too much |
| 07:49.08 | Thunder_Child | rally? |
| 07:49.10 | Thunder_Child | really* |
| 07:49.23 | Cairenn | lol, you hadn't noticed at dinner on Sat? |
| 07:49.55 | Thunder_Child | i had no comparison...still dont really |
| 07:50.16 | Thunder_Child | i dont know what your baseline is |
| 07:50.22 | Cairenn | for me, that was a lot of drinking in a short time (2 in an hour was it?) |
| 07:50.42 | Thunder_Child | dunno, i wasnt following your drinking pattern |
| 07:50.45 | Cairenn | or 3? hell, I don't remember any more |
| 07:50.59 | Cairenn | anyway, I didn't think I was all that scary |
| 07:51.14 | Thunder_Child | i think i was listening to clad talk about being....particular |
| 07:51.24 | Cairenn | ? |
| 07:51.48 | Thunder_Child | i was going to say anal..as in anal retentive..but that might not have worked |
| 07:52.00 | Cairenn | mind you, you guys were on the other side of the table and there were a LOT of people around that table, so I've no idea |
| 07:52.01 | Thunder_Child | umm...you were farther down the table talking |
| 07:52.13 | MentalPower | yeah, I was down with Cairenn |
| 07:52.15 | Cairenn | I was anal? how the hell was I anal? |
| 07:52.24 | Thunder_Child | not you, clad |
| 07:52.29 | Cairenn | no fair! picking on me about stuff I don't remember! |
| 07:52.43 | Cairenn | oh, okay |
| 07:52.55 | Cairenn | so how does clad being anal == me being scary? |
| 07:53.00 | MentalPower | that table was scary huge tho |
| 07:53.07 | Cairenn | yeah, but we had fun :) |
| 07:53.19 | MentalPower | indeed |
| 07:53.22 | Thunder_Child | it doesnt, i was pointing out that i was listening to him, not watching you chug down drinks |
| 07:53.33 | MentalPower | she didn't chug down too many |
| 07:53.43 | MentalPower | I just remember one actually |
| 07:53.45 | Cairenn | looking forward to the next one, will hopefully be even bigger and more massively stressful and confusing and fabulous |
| 07:53.54 | Thunder_Child | as for scary...i was think more along the lines of iriels 100+ photos |
| 07:53.57 | Cairenn | I know I had at least 2, not sure how many more than that |
| 07:54.06 | Cairenn | rofl, I could have killed him for that |
| 07:54.10 | Thunder_Child | exactly |
| 07:54.14 | MentalPower | Cairenn: do remember to make reservations for the proper state this time :P |
| 07:54.15 | Cairenn | lol |
| 07:54.19 | Thunder_Child | your expression was....interesting |
| 07:54.21 | Cairenn | MentalPower: bite me |
| 07:54.25 | Thunder_Child | lol |
| 07:54.31 | Cairenn | you guys all missed it too! |
| 07:54.32 | Thunder_Child | never been to florida |
| 07:54.33 | MentalPower | :) |
| 07:54.51 | MentalPower | :D |
| 07:55.04 | Cairenn | I wasn't the only one that completely missed the fact we were looking at florida's disney, not california's! |
| 07:55.07 | Thunder_Child | they should really hold blizzcon somewhere nice....like the bahamas, or aruba, or even hawaii |
| 07:55.13 | MentalPower | yeah yeah yeah |
| 07:55.24 | Cairenn | and, it seems to me, I was the only non-american looking at the site, so I say again |
| 07:55.27 | Cairenn | bite me! |
| 07:55.34 | Thunder_Child | ~bite Cairenn |
| 07:55.34 | purl | ACTION takes a big bite out of Cairenn's jugular vein |
| 07:55.35 | MentalPower | its fun to pick on you tho :D |
| 07:55.44 | Cairenn | :) |
| 07:55.56 | zenzelezz | don't give our fragile minds ideas so early in the day Cairenn :-| |
| 07:56.19 | Thunder_Child | next time, get someone competent to make arangements |
| 07:56.29 | Cairenn | oh! oh! fine then! |
| 07:56.34 | Cairenn | hmph! |
| 07:57.00 | MentalPower | Thunder_Child: that excludes everyone in this channel |
| 07:57.02 | Thunder_Child | well that was..what...3,4,5 of you that missed it? |
| 07:57.07 | Thunder_Child | MentalPower, true |
| 07:57.13 | MentalPower | except perhaps cogs, that fixed the whole mess :) |
| 07:57.15 | Cairenn | funny, I didn't see anyone ELSE step up |
| 07:57.25 | Cairenn | MentalPower: only after his WIFE caught it |
| 07:57.32 | Thunder_Child | well some of us only heard about it after the fact |
| 07:57.34 | Cairenn | and I was about to board my airplane |
| 07:57.44 | MentalPower | lol |
| 07:57.58 | Cairenn | wasn't like there was much I could do about it FROM THE AIR! |
| 07:58.06 | Thunder_Child | you could soon |
| 07:58.16 | Thunder_Child | WiFi on a plane!!! |
| 07:58.27 | Cairenn | that's fine, if I had a laptop, which I don't |
| 07:58.28 | Cairenn | :p |
| 07:58.45 | Thunder_Child | fail |
| 07:58.49 | MentalPower | I liked the story of Cairenn with a migraine strong-arming the muscular dude off the airplane seat |
| 07:59.05 | Cairenn | heh |
| 07:59.09 | Thunder_Child | huh? i missed that one at my end of the table |
| 07:59.14 | MentalPower | its on wowi |
| 07:59.26 | Thunder_Child | the essay? |
| 07:59.31 | MentalPower | yup |
| 07:59.35 | Cairenn | don't mess with me when I have a migraine and just found out that all the plans were for the wrong fucking state |
| 07:59.42 | Thunder_Child | i wasnt actually expected to read that was i? |
| 07:59.46 | Cairenn | nope |
| 07:59.56 | zenzelezz | we never expect you to read |
| 08:00.11 | Thunder_Child | good |
| 08:00.16 | Cairenn | I never expect anyone to read my blizzcon "reports", since they never are |
| 08:00.19 | Thunder_Child | that will save us all a lot of time |
| 08:00.28 | Thunder_Child | are.....? |
| 08:00.33 | Cairenn | _I_ am, however, expected to post _something_ |
| 08:00.39 | Cairenn | never are "reports" |
| 08:00.44 | Thunder_Child | who expects that? |
| 08:01.00 | Cairenn | everyone |
| 08:01.07 | Cairenn | so, I ramble |
| 08:01.11 | Cairenn | and no one reads it |
| 08:01.14 | Cairenn | and we're all happy |
| 08:01.16 | Cairenn | :) |
| 08:01.16 | MentalPower | its a nice read |
| 08:01.19 | Cairenn | bah |
| 08:01.19 | zenzelezz | regular reports are boring, yours are fun |
| 08:01.37 | Thunder_Child | i dont expect people to do things they dont like, if you enjoy it, why not |
| 08:01.52 | MentalPower | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showpost.php?p=64744&postcount=2 <---6th or so paragraph |
| 08:02.09 | Thunder_Child | s/not/not do it/ |
| 08:02.40 | Cairenn | I don't actually mind writing them up, since I make it very clear from the beginning that I'm not a "reporter" and it's just me rambling about what I experienced |
| 08:03.13 | Cairenn | someone else can be a reporter and post all the official crap, I'm just a regular person hanging out and having fun |
| 08:03.22 | zenzelezz | if people didn't like reading rambles, blogs wouldn't be so popular |
| 08:03.31 | Cairenn | complete with bloopers of making reservations in the wrong state |
| 08:05.45 | Cairenn | the part that I very carefully didn't put into that bit about making the guy back down (because I didn't want to deal with everyone bitching about stereotyping) is that the guy had the whole pimp-gansta-rappa-bad-motha-fucka look going on - he really truly was scary looking to me when I got another look at him later on |
| 08:06.04 | Cairenn | if he hadn't been on a plane, I'm sure he would have been packing |
| 08:06.09 | zenzelezz | hehe |
| 08:07.07 | Cairenn | wheee, automatic updates, need to reboot, brb |
| 08:07.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | rofl, everyone's saying that |
| 08:07.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | on like 5 channels so far |
| 08:07.51 | MentalPower | yeah Office 2007 SP1 |
| 08:08.00 | MentalPower | I might as well do it too |
| 08:08.02 | MentalPower | brb |
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| 08:42.32 | Cairenn|afk | night guys |
| 08:42.37 | zenzelezz | night |
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| 08:54.05 | art3mis | Downloads: 3162 |
| 08:54.05 | art3mis | Views: 55366 |
| 08:54.08 | art3mis | woo |
| 08:54.12 | art3mis | HKUI stats |
| 08:54.19 | art3mis | 500 DL's in the last day or so |
| 08:55.28 | art3mis | http://www.kittyhell.com/2007/10/21/hello-kitty-world-of-warcraft/ hahah |
| 08:56.31 | art3mis | "I have linked to this blog to terrify all of my WoW playing friends. This may just be what it takes to break their addiction. That image is so wrong on so many levels." |
| 08:57.18 | art3mis | "That is the scariest UI I have ever seen. Shadowdragon unfortunately I think this was done with skinner…. Scarier still is the fact that this person is pounding away on many little HK faces to kill ppl and doesn’t see anything odd about it. I put this up on my guilds website as the scariest ui ever thought of." |
| 08:57.21 | art3mis | hahahahah |
| 09:00.12 | art3mis | http://blog.wired.com/games/2007/11/play-world-of-w.html <-- wow i made it on Wired Blog ;P |
| 09:01.00 | art3mis | No. The reason the interface was made is because of the very popular and cult-classic South Park Episode when Butters was playing Hello Kitty and the others were playing WoW. Perhaps, if you had a life and didn't play WoW all day, you would be up-to-speed and not posting an article without doing the slightest bit of research. Idiots like yourself are the reason the vast majority of people are ignorant. If you're going to take the time to |
| 09:01.02 | art3mis | hahahaha |
| 09:01.13 | art3mis | im gona have to disagree with that one ;) |
| 09:01.55 | Industrial | |___| carebox |
| 09:02.05 | Industrial | :P |
| 09:02.13 | art3mis | heh |
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| 10:17.23 | |Jelly| | !c us burning legion jelly |
| 10:17.35 | ThraeBot | |Jelly|: Jelly, Level 70 Blood Elf Priest (43/18/0). 8981 HP; 11501 Mana; 308 mana regen; 134 mp5; 560 +spell dmg; 1383 +heal; 5.06% dodge; 46 resilience;[[ TBR: 593 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/yrmc88 ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2mw2d7 ][ Updated: Wed Dec 12 05:19:19 2007 EST ]] |
| 10:17.54 | |Jelly| | !vs us burning legion jelly s drenden kimina |
| 10:18.06 | |Jelly| | !vs us burning legion jelly us drenden kimina |
| 10:18.09 | ThraeBot | |Jelly|: Jelly vs Kimina! Two 70 priests square off!; 43/18/0 vs 20/41/0; Kimina wins by 747 TBRs! ***OWNED!*** |
| 10:18.17 | |Jelly| | I kek'd. |
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| 10:49.26 | zenzelezz | so I'm flying around Skettis on my warrior, doing my dailies, and I get a tell "Why are you stacking +12 stamina gems?". I tell the guy that mobs hurt more the higher you get in instances, and not getting hit means less rage, less threat, unhappy DPS |
| 10:49.49 | zenzelezz | he responds "not as a paladin". I tell him "I'm not a paladin", and he counters "I am" |
| 10:50.14 | zenzelezz | if you're going to ask a person why he uses anything, don't freaking see it from your class's perspective x.x |
| 10:50.14 | leethal | >< |
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| 10:53.46 | Tem | I'm really curious why pallies keep putting judgement of justice on me |
| 10:54.02 | zenzelezz | what does that judgement do? |
| 10:54.09 | Tem | I'm frost a frost mage. I'm not going to sprint a run away |
| 10:54.16 | Tem | holds you to 100% movement speed |
| 10:54.31 | zenzelezz | heh |
| 10:54.42 | leethal | it wlil fuk upp blink lololol pala rokcs |
| 10:54.55 | Tem | http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=31895 |
| 10:55.41 | Tem | oh! |
| 10:55.46 | Tem | I understand why |
| 10:55.54 | Tem | boar's speed enchant |
| 10:56.01 | Tem | I AM running faster than 100% |
| 11:01.18 | Tem | that being said, lol |
| 11:01.26 | cladhaire | lol |
| 11:01.27 | cladhaire | :P |
| 11:01.28 | Tem | also, thanks for making me immune to fear |
| 11:01.33 | cladhaire | makes you blink slower imo |
| 11:01.48 | Tem | totallyh |
| 11:02.08 | nevcairiel | you sure that makes you immune to fear? |
| 11:02.13 | Tem | yes |
| 11:02.41 | nevcairiel | i thought the "stops them from fleeing" would mean the 10% mob runs away because its about to die-effect :P |
| 11:03.04 | Tem | it's just like curse of recklessness |
| 11:03.09 | Tem | it makes you immune to fear |
| 11:03.19 | Tem | ever tried to fear a mob with CoR on it? |
| 11:03.49 | nevcairiel | yeah, i used that to pull casters on my lock |
| 11:03.53 | nevcairiel | until it got fixed .P |
| 11:04.06 | Tem | ? |
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| 11:04.30 | Tem | did they only want to melee when that curse was on? |
| 11:04.38 | nevcairiel | oh you put CoR on a caster and feared him, and they ran to you |
| 11:04.44 | nevcairiel | dunno why |
| 11:04.45 | nevcairiel | some bug |
| 11:05.07 | nevcairiel | no immune tho, fear just didnt have any effect |
| 11:05.53 | nevcairiel | dunno how it works now .. hmm |
| 11:06.32 | nevcairiel | anyway, i hate pallys that keep judging that seal |
| 11:06.35 | nevcairiel | being a druid and all |
| 11:08.12 | nevcairiel | still no immune to fear |
| 11:08.15 | nevcairiel | just doesnt do shit |
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| 11:09.12 | nevcairiel | but i am not convinced that the seal has the same effect, because CoR explicitly states that the target will ignore fear |
| 11:10.48 | zenzelezz | heh, some Norwegian newspaper's website decided "w00t" is the word of the year |
| 11:29.55 | Tem | nevcairiel, you deserve every minute of frustration due to JoJ |
| 11:30.03 | Tem | fricking druids |
| 11:30.30 | nevcairiel | meh :P |
| 11:30.30 | Tem | oh, does your entire ability to kill me depend on counterspelling a heal and snaring me? Sorry |
| 11:31.10 | nevcairiel | i am resto, i dont do the killing |
| 11:31.14 | [Ammo] | hehe |
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| 11:34.33 | nevcairiel | altho i have to admit, i can outheal any attacker, as long as its only one |
| 11:34.40 | nevcairiel | some might call that OP :P |
| 11:34.50 | nevcairiel | (without running oom ever) |
| 11:35.18 | nevcairiel | except someone starts draining me, but thats meh anyway |
| 11:40.01 | Tem | nevcairiel, I was saying that from your perspective |
| 11:40.06 | Tem | as if you were talking to a mage |
| 11:40.17 | Tem | (i.e. me) |
| 11:40.40 | nevcairiel | oh you cant counterspell me anyway |
| 11:40.43 | nevcairiel | hots ftw |
| 11:40.43 | Tem | I _can't_ kill a resto druid unless he was oom before I got there |
| 11:40.51 | Tem | nevcairiel, THATS MY POINT |
| 11:40.54 | Tem | *cry* |
| 11:40.55 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 11:40.58 | Kalroth | l2p |
| 11:41.20 | Tem | well, if I sucks, I can kill him |
| 11:41.26 | Tem | but otherwise no dice |
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| 11:41.35 | Tem | s/if I/if he/ |
| 11:41.45 | AU518987077 | hello |
| 11:41.50 | [Ammo] | ignore him, and burst down his pals |
| 11:41.53 | [Ammo] | then work on him |
| 11:42.29 | nevcairiel | well |
| 11:42.33 | nevcairiel | if i can heal myself |
| 11:42.37 | nevcairiel | i can heal others too |
| 11:42.37 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 11:42.40 | [Ammo] | true |
| 11:42.53 | [Ammo] | but they should be blown to shit before your heals have effect :p |
| 11:43.11 | AU518987077 | i was wondering, is there a way to change an option so that when i hit shift and a number it doent switch my hotbar to anotehr hotbar? or to allow me to hit control and a number and activate a macros mod:control macro? |
| 11:43.19 | Kalroth | I found a druid last week. He was in tree form and he didn't use any other HoTs than rejuvenation. |
| 11:43.28 | nevcairiel | what a sucker |
| 11:43.30 | Kalroth | Treeform. In an arena. |
| 11:43.34 | [Ammo] | AU518987077: keybindings interface |
| 11:43.36 | [Ammo] | remove hte bdingins |
| 11:43.37 | Kalroth | Not using skillbloom. |
| 11:43.51 | nevcairiel | Kalroth: i use treeform in arenas too, if a mage keeps sheeping me all the time :P |
| 11:44.06 | Tem | [Ammo], if he wasn't willing to even figure that much out, I would have left him to drown |
| 11:44.17 | [Ammo] | I am usually helpful on a first question |
| 11:44.45 | [Ammo] | unless my mood is suboptimal or there hyas been no coffee near me for 3 hours |
| 11:44.45 | Kalroth | nevcairiel: This was in 2v2, I'm a warrior and my priest usually mana burns the druids into kitty/bear shape. :) |
| 11:44.48 | [Ammo] | or something |
| 11:44.51 | [Ammo] | which is abasically the same thing |
| 11:44.57 | Kalroth | It's usually "war/dru, osht" |
| 11:44.58 | AU518987077 | thanks ammo |
| 11:45.13 | [Ammo] | I actually did my first arenas on my paladin last night |
| 11:45.14 | AU518987077 | later, remind me to buy you a subway club sandwich anda hotchocholate form 7-1 |
| 11:45.17 | AU518987077 | 7-11 |
| 11:45.19 | [Ammo] | that was kinda fun with 40 resilience or something :) |
| 11:45.27 | nevcairiel | hehe |
| 11:45.28 | Kalroth | I got 34 res on my warrior :p |
| 11:45.35 | [Ammo] | did win 2 and lose only 1 |
| 11:45.36 | Kalroth | Yet they go for the priest first |
| 11:45.42 | [Ammo] | 3v3 |
| 11:45.45 | [Ammo] | with a mage anda hunter |
| 11:45.48 | Kalroth | lol |
| 11:46.04 | [Ammo] | scrub alt team |
| 11:46.11 | [Ammo] | called 'ret lol' |
| 11:47.08 | Kalroth | welfare epix 4 ret lols |
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| 12:25.32 | mikma | anyone has any ideas why the example in this url doesn't work? http://mikma.pastey.net/78884 .. it does setpoint the actionbuttons correctly but it can't direct the spells to correct unit (doesn't do anything when i click them) |
| 12:32.03 | foxlit | erm |
| 12:32.10 | foxlit | Variables are not strings, yeah? |
| 12:32.27 | foxlit | actionbuttons(target,TargetFrame) |
| 12:32.48 | mikma | i did try "target",TargetFrame too, but it didn't work either |
| 12:33.18 | nevcairiel | it should at least work better :P |
| 12:33.33 | mikma | nothing changes if i do that, that's the whole problem |
| 12:34.21 | foxlit | You don't set the spell attribute either in the second fragment |
| 12:35.54 | foxlit | (There's no equivalent of button:SetAttribute("spell", v) in the part that doesn't work) |
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| 12:36.01 | mikma | foxlit: http://mikma.pastey.net/78885 |
| 12:36.04 | foxlit | Can I clamp a frame to its parent, rather than the screen? |
| 12:36.06 | mikma | that's the table of spells it gets |
| 12:36.38 | foxlit | That's fine |
| 12:36.43 | mikma | and that part does work perfectly. i've been using the lower part of the code in the first paste for 2 days now |
| 12:36.59 | foxlit | The part under -- This doesn't work at all |
| 12:37.00 | foxlit | ? |
| 12:37.53 | mikma | oh wait, you and tem are propably right |
| 12:37.55 | foxlit | http://mikma.pastey.net/78886-1xu9:78884-178y |
| 12:38.22 | Tem | foxlit, sort of, but not really |
| 12:38.40 | Tem | foxlit, you could set it's clamp rect to be really weird so that it can't move outside its parent |
| 12:38.53 | Tem | but you would need to change it every time the parent moved |
| 12:38.57 | foxlit | But then I'd have to handle parent movement, yeah |
| 12:39.04 | mikma | well there we go, it was exactly that.. how did i miss that line completely :( |
| 12:39.11 | foxlit | Pity, I was somewhat hoping for SetClampedTo(frame) |
| 12:39.25 | mikma | been trying to fix it for two days and you two noticed it in 5mins. great |
| 12:39.30 | Tem | foxlit, you could always manage movement yourself |
| 12:39.42 | Tem | turn on and OnUpdate during drag |
| 12:39.46 | Tem | s/and/an/ |
| 12:39.54 | foxlit | Yeah, that's another way to do it as well :) |
| 12:40.02 | Tem | but that could look /really/ ugly |
| 12:40.06 | foxlit | I'm lazy, though, so clamping sort of made sense, and I wouldn't have to manage it |
| 12:40.33 | Tem | actually, no, it would look fine so long as you didn't use :StartMoving |
| 12:40.55 | mikma | thanks foxlit and Tem |
| 12:40.59 | Tem | also, it wouldn't be possible during combat if it was a protected frame |
| 12:41.01 | foxlit | You can drag without that, Tem? |
| 12:41.20 | foxlit | Familiar with the usual "no-messing-with-protected-frames" limitations |
| 12:41.21 | Tem | foxlit, you'd have to :SetPoint manually each OnUpdate based on the mouse posistion |
| 12:41.28 | foxlit | urgh! |
| 12:41.33 | Tem | you are allowed to drag frames in combat |
| 12:41.37 | foxlit | Now that looks ugly :) |
| 12:41.54 | Tem | but since you would be emulating drag, it wouldn't be possible in combat |
| 12:42.17 | Tem | foxlit, well, it's either that or check each OnUpdate if it's moved outside the box and push it back in |
| 12:42.30 | Tem | and that would look /really/ bad |
| 12:42.36 | Tem | the frame would be all jumpy |
| 12:42.51 | Tem | sorta like on those crappy websites where some part of the site moves when you scroll |
| 12:42.56 | Tem | it's never _right_ on |
| 12:43.04 | Tem | it's always slightly behind |
| 12:43.07 | foxlit | That depends on whether drag or onupdate gets processed first |
| 12:43.19 | foxlit | You're only risking mouse desync if done properly |
| 12:43.32 | Tem | well, it is true that OnUpdate happens before the frame is drawn |
| 12:43.45 | foxlit | And you could always cheat |
| 12:43.54 | Tem | mouse desync isn't an issue |
| 12:44.08 | foxlit | Yes, it is. |
| 12:44.09 | Tem | that happens with clamping as well |
| 12:44.18 | foxlit | If your mouse goes outside valid range, it isn't pretty :) |
| 12:44.20 | Tem | (in terms of behaving like clamping) |
| 12:44.24 | foxlit | Can't do anything about that, though |
| 12:44.46 | Tem | it would be nice if we could explicitly set the mouse pointer's location |
| 12:44.49 | foxlit | Can drag an invisible box around and adjust visible texture position based on that on OnUpdate, but meh, would probably go with the simplest solution |
| 12:45.44 | Tem | well, I'm not sure that just nudging it back into the box OnUpdate while dragging normally would look bad |
| 12:45.56 | Tem | because, as you brought up, OnUpdate happens before the draw |
| 12:46.07 | Tem | so I would try that |
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| 13:16.02 | zenzelezz | Topper McNabb says: Help a poor blok out? |
| 13:16.04 | zenzelezz | [Wtgdfgfgh] says: Hey! WOW Gold.Powerleveling, Best serivce,Cheap and fast WOW GOLD [...] |
| 13:16.10 | zenzelezz | poor Topper |
| 13:16.21 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 13:16.21 | zenzelezz | *bloke |
| 13:16.57 | Kalroth | haha |
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| 14:20.28 | foxlit | math-related articles on uncyclopedia = pure joy |
| 14:20.40 | foxlit | Did you know... |
| 14:20.40 | foxlit | that Calculus could destroy us all? |
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| 14:23.05 | zenzelezz | let me correct you |
| 14:23.13 | zenzelezz | <foxlit> articles on uncyclopedia = pure joy |
| 14:23.42 | foxlit | Dunno, some of the pseudo-biographies aren't that joyful |
| 14:24.05 | zenzelezz | "A typical External Combustion Engine in use. Note the superior combustion." |
| 14:24.16 | Lunessa | http://xkcd.com/356/ |
| 14:24.38 | foxlit | THE GREAT FOURIER TRANSFORM CONTROVERSY: Many students of fourier transform has tried to integrate these nice curves by a tangential "hand on"-technique - just to be normalized with a ortogonal parameter right up their face. |
| 14:24.59 | Lunessa | lol |
| 14:26.25 | Shirik|zZz | for the record |
| 14:26.27 | Shirik|zZz | the answer is 0 homs |
| 14:26.28 | Shirik|zZz | ohms* |
| 14:27.08 | Shirik|zZz | Least that's my answer |
| 14:27.11 | foxlit | infinity is bad, mmkay? |
| 14:27.26 | zenzelezz | infinity isn't bad, it just takes a while |
| 14:27.32 | krka | Shirik|zZz: i don't buy it |
| 14:27.43 | Shirik|zZz | It's a pretty simple concept |
| 14:27.50 | Shirik|zZz | every parallel path will reduce the resistance |
| 14:27.52 | foxlit | The number infinity can be thought of as a sorta large number, like a million, only to the millionth power, and then some more. It took thousands of years of human day-dreaming for the concept of infinity to reach maturity, but then no one can really imagine exactly how much larger than the largest number you can think of is, or how much smaller than the smallest number you can think of its identical (but evil) twin negative infinity is. |
| 14:27.56 | Shirik|zZz | if you have an infinite number of parallel paths, it should be 0 |
| 14:28.00 | krka | nope |
| 14:28.07 | Shirik|zZz | ... yes. |
| 14:28.13 | krka | you fail it |
| 14:28.20 | Shirik | R = 1/(1/R + 1/R) |
| 14:28.30 | foxlit | But as you add more paths |
| 14:28.34 | foxlit | The resistance across those paths |
| 14:28.36 | foxlit | also increases |
| 14:29.08 | Shirik | ok, I have an IEEE meeting anyway, I'll ask some of the EEs there :P |
| 14:29.12 | Shirik | see what they have to say |
| 14:29.13 | krka | yeah, you're also increasing number of serial paths |
| 14:29.19 | Shirik | series* |
| 14:29.23 | krka | sorry |
| 14:29.26 | foxlit | Although that poses the same problem with a different set of points |
| 14:29.28 | Shirik | but yes, foxlit, that's true |
| 14:29.33 | krka | english is not my native language :P |
| 14:29.52 | foxlit | http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Logic |
| 14:30.03 | foxlit | spam inc, too awesome |
| 14:30.03 | foxlit | Proof by distraction |
| 14:30.03 | foxlit | Look behind you! |
| 14:30.04 | foxlit | ... and proves the existence of an answer for 2 + 2. |
| 14:30.04 | foxlit | Look! A three-headed monkey over there! |
| 14:30.04 | foxlit | ... leaves 5 as the only result of 2 + 2. |
| 14:30.05 | foxlit | Therefore 2 + 2 = 5. QED. |
| 14:30.14 | krka | lol foxlit |
| 14:31.21 | Shirik | oh wait |
| 14:31.23 | Shirik | no, I see now |
| 14:31.51 | krka | maybe we could approach it by considering a finite grid of NxN first |
| 14:32.00 | krka | and then see what happens if we let N -> \infty |
| 14:32.05 | Shirik | krka: I already did, and that clarifies what the solution is actually |
| 14:34.21 | Shirik | wait |
| 14:34.30 | Shirik | that just proves it's 0.... grr |
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| 14:34.36 | Shirik | Which I don't think is correct |
| 14:34.49 | Shirik | oh wait no that's right, it's + 0 not * 0 >< |
| 14:35.03 | krka | it's somewhere between 0 and 3 |
| 14:35.45 | Shirik | actually I'm finding it to be below 1 right now |
| 14:35.57 | Shirik | which it logically has to be |
| 14:36.27 | krka | why? |
| 14:36.49 | Codayus | Actually, that's an interesting problem. Hm |
| 14:36.55 | Shirik | oh, it helps to read the problem correctly |
| 14:36.58 | Shirik | it's 2 away |
| 14:36.59 | Shirik | damn it |
| 14:37.07 | Shirik | I thought it was a simple diagonal |
| 14:37.14 | Lunessa | So, I get 2 points. |
| 14:37.43 | Shirik | lua> 1/(1/3 + 1/3) |
| 14:37.44 | lua_bot | Shirik: 1.5 |
| 14:37.47 | Shirik | it has to be less than 1.5 |
| 14:38.04 | Shirik | However this problem is going to REALLY suck after that, because kirchoff's rules come into effect |
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| 14:38.44 | Shirik | krka: Two independent parallel paths exist, each 3 ohm. Adding more parallel paths, be they 1 ohm or 500000 kiloohm, will always reduce the equivalent resistance |
| 14:39.24 | Shirik | So it must be below that simple case of two independent 3 ohm paths, which is equivalent to 1.5 |
| 14:39.25 | malreth | is this an electrical engineering conversation? i can't be part of an electrical engineering conversation. |
| 14:39.39 | Codayus | malreth: More of a math conversation. |
| 14:39.49 | foxlit | But then again, this isn't math |
| 14:40.36 | krka | yet! |
| 14:40.47 | malreth | no... Jesus never had to do math and math is not in the Bible so I refuse to believe that math even exists. |
| 14:40.52 | Cide | xkcd, I'm guessing? |
| 14:40.58 | foxlit | yeds |
| 14:40.58 | Codayus | Cide: Yes |
| 14:41.00 | Shirik | now to solve the simple case of those resistors without the grid |
| 14:41.04 | Cide | figured |
| 14:41.05 | Shirik | with the one resistor I ignored before |
| 14:41.07 | Codayus | I need more paper... |
| 14:41.10 | Cide | after I opened my rss feed |
| 14:41.15 | Shirik | that is going to be a PITA |
| 14:41.34 | Shirik | however we know the voltage drop across R1 has to be equivalent to R2, so it's possible to use kirchoff's rules to solve it |
| 14:41.56 | Shirik | if we were to simply inject some kind of voltage |
| 14:42.01 | Shirik | but I must run |
| 14:42.06 | Shirik | last final today yey |
| 14:43.25 | Codayus | Hmm |
| 14:43.38 | Codayus | Wait, I'm doing this wrong... |
| 14:43.39 | malreth | Shirik was tragically killed today after being Foooomed over by a fucking truck. |
| 14:44.23 | malreth | Witnesses said, "He just stood there as if nothing in the world existed." |
| 14:44.49 | Shirik | hey, I'm a CE |
| 14:44.54 | Shirik | Part of that is EE |
| 14:44.58 | Shirik | I couldn't pass something like this up :P |
| 14:45.08 | Codayus | Hm |
| 14:45.18 | foxlit | CE? |
| 14:45.19 | malreth | look both ways before crossing streets, Shirik. |
| 14:45.23 | malreth | civil? |
| 14:45.36 | foxlit | Yeah, but that's rather wider and may or may not include EE |
| 14:45.41 | malreth | true |
| 14:45.46 | Codayus | Is the current flow surrounding a given red dot equal for all 4 connecting resistors? |
| 14:46.59 | Codayus | Hrm |
| 14:48.21 | foxlit | "Don't become another statistic; fight the scourge of applied mathematics today" |
| 14:48.23 | Lunessa | ... racks up another 2 points |
| 14:48.53 | Codayus | Okay, if we designate the left as the source, we'll get equal voltage going "north" and "east", at a minimum... |
| 14:48.53 | malreth | i'm worth zero points... :( |
| 14:49.23 | foxlit | meh |
| 14:49.29 | foxlit | find an infinite grid of resistors |
| 14:49.34 | foxlit | and attach an ohmmeter |
| 14:50.12 | Codayus | foxlit: You don't need an infinite grid. |
| 14:50.26 | Codayus | The answer should be clear with a finite grid. I think. |
| 14:50.37 | foxlit | "I think" is a silly argument |
| 14:50.46 | Codayus | :-) |
| 14:50.51 | foxlit | Plus I needed infinite for narrative purposes |
| 14:51.11 | foxlit | Irony - the seemingly simple solution I'm proposing is in fact neither simple nor possible :) |
| 14:51.26 | Codayus | Yes. |
| 14:51.49 | foxlit | Having said that, you could use a finite grid to attempt to figure out of it converges on any particular value |
| 14:52.25 | Codayus | But if you constructed a grid of, say, 200, increased it to 300 in 10 resistor increments, and measured the resistence at each step, you'd probably find...right |
| 14:52.58 | Codayus | And knowing the answer would at least let you know if you'd derived a plausible explanation. :-) |
| 14:53.47 | Codayus | Hmm, really seems like it's a trick, the infinities should all cancel, and it should be solvable by just looking at it. :-/ |
| 14:54.08 | Lunessa | "Define irony: a bunch of idiots dancing around on a plane to a song made famous by a band that died in a plane crash. " |
| 14:54.42 | foxlit | If you squint some more, take a few pills and deprive yourself of sleep for 48 hours, multiplication begins to look like fourier transforms |
| 14:56.17 | leethal | srsly - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzBz60OtZKo |
| 14:56.20 | leethal | awesome? |
| 14:56.29 | leethal | a os x like dock in WoW? :O |
| 14:57.02 | foxlit | bit too jumpy |
| 14:58.00 | foxlit | especially with the chat tabs - the effect is okay if the icons don't suddenly become 4 times larger, otherwise, you just annoy people :) |
| 14:58.14 | malreth | nice concept, however |
| 14:58.19 | leethal | yeah the magnification is a bit harsh |
| 14:58.33 | foxlit | Also |
| 14:58.43 | foxlit | The position of the mouse within the frame matters too much to that implementation |
| 14:58.44 | malreth | the magnification probably has to be high to make it really noticeable on a YT video |
| 14:58.56 | foxlit | If you look at what OSX does, the icon doesn't vary in size while mouse is over it |
| 14:59.00 | leethal | yeah you can see him turning it up |
| 14:59.29 | leethal | foxlit: ah, good point |
| 14:59.38 | malreth | i like that it can work with any frame. obviously it should, but it's good that they didn't limit it arbitrarily |
| 14:59.40 | leethal | it's just sizing when it's outside of the mouse mm? |
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| 14:59.45 | leethal | "outside of the mouse" was an awesome technical term |
| 14:59.59 | foxlit | yeah, whatever you have focus on has constant size |
| 15:00.09 | foxlit | the objects to the left and right of that are resized when you move the mouse |
| 15:00.25 | leethal | I hate magnification tbh =P |
| 15:00.35 | krka | your gf doesn't! |
| 15:00.40 | foxlit | Nah, it's good |
| 15:00.42 | krka | couldn't resist :( |
| 15:00.45 | foxlit | My default dock is rather tiny |
| 15:00.54 | krka | s/o/i/ |
| 15:00.55 | malreth | correct... otherwise relative movement within the magnifying frame is multiplied by both the movement and the magnification |
| 15:00.57 | leethal | krka: that's true actually =P |
| 15:01.06 | leethal | krka: I go "wtf it's ugly and silly", she's all "but aww it's cute" |
| 15:01.12 | krka | damn, i can't modify other people's lines |
| 15:01.16 | krka | My default dock is rather tiny |
| 15:01.19 | krka | s/o/i/ |
| 15:01.34 | leethal | :O |
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| 15:01.40 | foxlit | Shocking, krka! |
| 15:01.44 | krka | i know |
| 15:01.51 | malreth | my dock... brings all the girls to the yard and they're like... it's better than yours damn right... it's better than yours i could teach you how but i'd have to charge |
| 15:01.56 | foxlit | Should we stay tuned for revealing interviews at 7? |
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| 15:02.33 | leethal | I wish I had a dock - for a spacecraft! |
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| 15:02.40 | leethal | swooooooosh! |
| 15:02.41 | Lunessa | malreth: Hello, my name is Lunessa. You killed my brain cells. Prepare to die. |
| 15:02.51 | Shirik|Ecole | zombie Lunessa? |
| 15:03.00 | Lunessa | mmmmmm.... brains. |
| 15:03.53 | malreth | actually, i just did |
| 15:04.28 | Shirik|Ecole | ha |
| 15:04.47 | krka | damn, this xkcd thing annoys me |
| 15:04.54 | malreth | hahaha! |
| 15:05.07 | krka | i'm trying to deduce currents by looking at all squares |
| 15:05.17 | JoshBorke | where's source and ground? |
| 15:05.18 | Lunessa | I score a few more points. I should walk down to the engineering school with a sign... |
| 15:05.30 | malreth | Lunessa: good idea! |
| 15:08.31 | foxlit | Heh, uncyclopedia had an awesome 2=0 proof |
| 15:08.36 | foxlit | e^ipi = -1 |
| 15:08.45 | foxlit | e^2ipi = 1 |
| 15:08.52 | foxlit | 2ipi = 0 |
| 15:08.55 | foxlit | 2 = 0 |
| 15:09.16 | Codayus | Hmm |
| 15:09.28 | malreth | i don't think imaginary numbers work that way |
| 15:09.30 | Codayus | I found the answer for the xkcd thing on the web. |
| 15:09.36 | Codayus | I don't understand it. |
| 15:09.37 | Codayus | :-( |
| 15:09.46 | malreth | but then again... "i don't think" isn't a valid argument |
| 15:09.53 | malreth | but it is a valid statement! |
| 15:09.54 | Codayus | 7 page pdf of nasty math. |
| 15:10.13 | foxlit | Was the answer "cheese"? |
| 15:10.48 | malreth | i vote for 'olive loaf' |
| 15:10.53 | Lunessa | What's the square root of negative two? - don't hurt yourselves. |
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| 15:11.12 | foxlit | malreth: the step to object to is probably (e^ipi)^2 = e^ipi * e^ipi = e^(ipi + ipi) = e^2ipi |
| 15:11.38 | malreth | foxlit: is that latin? |
| 15:11.47 | malreth | wait... no... it's Korean, isn't it |
| 15:12.18 | foxlit | We need to go back on several centuries on math notation |
| 15:12.20 | Shirik|Ecole | you know, I hate you all |
| 15:12.24 | foxlit | denote e as i, and i as e |
| 15:12.27 | Shirik|Ecole | during my final I'm going to be doing this problem |
| 15:12.34 | Shirik|Ecole | instead of the actual problems on the final |
| 15:12.35 | foxlit | i^e*pi just sounds better |
| 15:12.40 | Codayus | Shirik|Ecole: I found the answer if you want. |
| 15:12.48 | Shirik|Ecole | is it that google answers one? |
| 15:12.51 | Shirik|Ecole | Because that's wrong |
| 15:13.06 | Codayus | No, a paper from somewhere in the netherlands. |
| 15:13.18 | Shirik|Ecole | I'll figure it out regardless :) |
| 15:13.29 | Codayus | Want a link? :-) |
| 15:13.36 | foxlit | It was a rather disappointing finish (queue ... in 3, 2, 1...) |
| 15:13.37 | Shirik|Ecole | not really |
| 15:13.41 | Codayus | *nod* |
| 15:13.44 | Codayus | I assumed as much |
| 15:13.53 | Codayus | The fun is working it out. I gave up. :-( |
| 15:14.29 | foxlit | Meh, I should really go home |
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| 15:42.13 | frop | hello |
| 15:42.27 | frop | getting annoying DC by wine :( |
| 15:42.28 | Kaso | hi |
| 15:42.53 | Kaso | dc by wine? |
| 15:43.01 | Kaso | not a crash but a dc? |
| 15:43.09 | frop | a crash |
| 15:43.13 | frop | it freeze |
| 15:43.20 | frop | about rtc |
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| 16:01.32 | frop | http://pastebin.ca/774067 |
| 16:01.34 | buubot | frop: The paste 774067 has been copied to http://erxz.com/pb/5724 |
| 16:01.36 | frop | something like this |
| 16:02.27 | frop | it's not my paste...but last error is the one i get |
| 16:03.56 | frop | wow freeze and then i can only "alt-tab" it |
| 16:04.02 | Kaso | buu, what's the point of that? |
| 16:04.05 | frop | killing the process-xserver |
| 16:14.11 | amro | cfl; |
| 16:14.17 | amro | way to type |
| 16:14.26 | frop | of what? |
| 16:14.27 | amro | frop: what version of wine? |
| 16:14.31 | frop | last one |
| 16:14.35 | frop | 9.50 |
| 16:14.53 | frop | seems to happen random |
| 16:15.12 | amro | can you get into the game world? |
| 16:15.21 | wereHamster | does it happen with earlier versions? |
| 16:15.40 | amro | might be a problem with your gfx drivers if it seems to be random |
| 16:16.07 | frop | yep, with older versions too |
| 16:16.17 | frop | and using latest nvidia driver too |
| 16:16.28 | amro | latest isn't necessarily the best |
| 16:16.39 | frop | and yes i can play for sometimes |
| 16:16.48 | amro | look on appdb maybe someone else has had this problem |
| 16:16.53 | frop | sometime it doesn't freeze at all |
| 16:16.57 | frop | will do |
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| 16:43.35 | Kaso | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v87/lntkaos/resnet-traffic.png |
| 16:43.55 | Kaso | The traffic on our University residential network |
| 16:44.23 | Kaso | i find that the lowest usage is at 07:00 quite amusing |
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| 16:46.38 | Thunder_Child | *sigh* how come windows never has help for the error code that i get... |
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| 16:55.26 | batrick | Thunder_Child, because windows doesn't error ever duh |
| 16:55.35 | Thunder_Child | .... |
| 16:55.38 | Thunder_Child | ~lart batrick |
| 16:55.38 | purl | takes out a seltzer bottle and sprays batrick in the face. You know, one of those old-school seltzer bottles clowns have? Yeah those. Anyway, consider yourself spritzed |
| 16:56.03 | batrick | how rude |
| 16:56.23 | Thunder_Child | yes, that would be the point |
| 16:56.28 | Thunder_Child | ~rude batrick |
| 16:56.33 | Thunder_Child | ... |
| 16:56.38 | Thunder_Child | i hate you purl |
| 16:59.50 | batrick | ~pat purl |
| 16:59.50 | purl | ACTION pats purl and says "Nicely Done!" |
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| 17:04.35 | Thunder_Child | wb Lopeppeppy |
| 17:04.43 | Lopeppeppy | Heyo! |
| 17:04.53 | Industrial | captain jack |
| 17:05.22 | Industrial | bring me back to the railroad track! |
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| 17:05.52 | zenzelezz | after I posted my picture on our guild forum, my guild note went from "Concrete cookie" to "Captain cookie" :-| |
| 17:06.08 | Thunder_Child | "“w00t,” an expression of joy coined by online gamers, was crowned word of the year on Tuesday by the publisher of a leading U.S. dictionary." |
| 17:06.12 | Industrial | badadadideido! |
| 17:06.23 | Industrial | left right right left |
| 17:06.33 | Industrial | badadadideido! run along with captain jack! |
| 17:06.38 | Industrial | tadadadadadadadada |
| 17:06.44 | Industrial | er, sorry, flashback. |
| 17:07.07 | Lopeppeppy | Eat some more LSD on your oatmeal, that really helps with those. |
| 17:07.15 | Industrial | this was actually the first singe I ever bought - on tape, no cd, when I was a kid |
| 17:07.33 | Industrial | single* |
| 17:08.41 | Thunder_Child | "Water the gourds, wash your stuffed hawk-catching-a-mouse diorama, eat frozen peas, take your Orange GoJo "shower"... you know, really just spend time on the normal stuff for a while." -Drysc |
| 17:08.56 | zenzelezz | yeah, epic |
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| 17:18.34 | Thunder_Child | "A 17-year-old girl from New Zealand misled a man into stripping naked and walking into an unsuspecting individual's house, simply by sending a goofy SMS offering a threesome. The end result was arrests and hilarity all around." |
| 17:19.07 | zenzelezz | O_O |
| 17:19.10 | zenzelezz | link? |
| 17:19.41 | Thunder_Child | http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/humor/man-gets-naked-girl-gets-arrested-rest-of-the-world-laughs-332938.php |
| 17:19.56 | zenzelezz | cheers |
| 17:20.09 | Thunder_Child | not for the naked guy |
| 17:21.19 | Thunder_Child | http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/apple/apple-takes-itunes-tv-to-canada-332864.php |
| 17:21.21 | zenzelezz | "There is a valuable lesson here for all of us: don't believe random offers of a threesome—your life is not a porno. Sorry. " heh |
| 17:22.27 | Thunder_Child | hmm..vista SP1 RC is out |
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| 17:25.04 | Shirik|Ecole | so this is pretty cool |
| 17:25.18 | Shirik|Ecole | You are about to do something potentially harmful. |
| 17:25.18 | Shirik|Ecole | To continue type in the phrase 'Yes, do as I say!' |
| 17:27.04 | Lopeppeppy | I like that, Shirik. |
| 17:27.44 | Shirik|Ecole | it got mad at me for doing "apt-get remove apt" |
| 17:30.07 | amro | adept needs something like that, I accidentally uninstalled it once |
| 17:30.13 | amro | funny the way it crashed afterward |
| 17:30.58 | Shirik|Ecole | Well I heard someone say that if you remove apt, when you try to run apt-get, it responds with the statement |
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| 17:31.16 | Shirik|Ecole | "apt-get is not currently installed. To install it, run the command 'apt-get install apt'" |
| 17:31.20 | Shirik|Ecole | so I wanted to test it :) |
| 17:31.35 | amro | nice |
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| 17:32.50 | Lopeppeppy | Anyone using a stable nVidia 7600 video card, who would take the time to tell me their driver version? Stable being the key word in this statement.... |
| 17:36.51 | foxlit | Hm, anyone know what the minimap blip texture is, offhand? |
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| 17:37.18 | foxlit | (the golden "hand in your quest here" round dot) |
| 17:38.22 | foxlit | Interface\WorldMap\WorldMapPartyIcon is what I was looking for |
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| 17:50.19 | art3mis | http://us.imdb.com/title/tt1132465/ |
| 17:50.43 | art3mis | "Seeing people with fangs and the vampiric attitude reminds me of my high school when I was Larping ( live-action role playing). Fortunately I outgrew having my fangs glued on running around in a trench coat at night pretending I am a supernatural creature spawned off the devil seed himself." |
| 17:51.09 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr. I miss college |
| 17:51.34 | art3mis | read the review it'as pretty funny |
| 17:53.11 | art3mis | I have a question for all these people. Are you so insecure about yourself that you have to make sure EVERYBODY KNOWS that you are 'dark' and dangerous? When you probably aren't the child raping cannibal you project. |
| 17:53.41 | Beladona | the child raping cannibals want to be unknown |
| 17:53.45 | Beladona | =P |
| 17:53.47 | JoshBorke | i'm not dark nor dangerous |
| 17:55.02 | Lopeppeppy | If people are afraid of you, they may leave you alone. Aggressive posturing as a form of shyness. |
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| 17:55.24 | foxlit | When did having movable flags on frames seem like a good idea? |
| 17:59.52 | cog|work | foxlit: there might be some behind-the-scenes optimization going on for non-movable frames |
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| 18:10.15 | foxlit | complete the sentence: position of movable UI widgets is saved automatically unless... |
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| 18:12.03 | cog|work | unless widgets of that name aren't created before the UI is unloaded |
| 18:12.04 | Beladona | their SetMovable attribute is false? |
| 18:12.11 | cog|work | they are unnamed |
| 18:12.32 | Beladona | ahh yes |
| 18:12.52 | foxlit | Can I force a user-movable widget not to save position? |
| 18:12.59 | Josh_Borke | yes |
| 18:13.10 | foxlit | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_Frame_SetUserPlaced looks relevant, but wonder if there's also a flag |
| 18:13.37 | cog|work | I think "and will thus be saved in the layout cache" says it pretty well :) |
| 18:13.58 | cog|work | though you would have to call it every time the user moves it |
| 18:14.31 | Josh_Borke | SetUsePlaced(false) |
| 18:14.32 | foxlit | or just at load-out |
| 18:14.46 | cog|work | true |
| 18:15.17 | Josh_Borke | btw, i missed the question |
| 18:15.28 | cog|work | <foxlit>complete the sentence: position of movable UI widgets is saved automatically unless... |
| 18:16.21 | Josh_Borke | the frame is created by CreateFrame, the frame is not SetUserPlaced and um, i've got nothing else |
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| 18:19.35 | kergoth | boo for the layout cache, it should retain stuff even if the frame doesnt exist that login :( |
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| 18:21.46 | art3mis | cog|work: unless your machine assplodes, or windows decides you havent had a lockup in a some time" |
| 18:22.26 | cog|work | kergoth: that would follow, considering savedvariables are retained indefinitely... |
| 18:24.27 | Shirik|AFK | wow |
| 18:24.42 | Josh_Borke | world of warcraft |
| 18:24.47 | Shirik|AFK | today's XKCD article has spawned a ton of hilarious posts showing how much people are willing to talk about something that they have no clue about |
| 18:25.28 | foxlit | where, show! |
| 18:25.51 | Shirik|AFK | http://forums.xkcd.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=16104 |
| 18:27.57 | Xinhuan | what i discovered after 1 hour of debugging is that the position in layout-cache.txt is applied AFTER variables_loaded event is completed. |
| 18:28.02 | Xinhuan | pretty annoying |
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| 18:56.27 | buu | buubot: part |
| 18:57.45 | Lopeppeppy | Hello there, |Jelly|-dear. |
| 18:58.19 | |Jelly|Laptop | Hey Lopeppeppy! /hug |
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| 18:58.47 | Lopeppeppy | Oooh, so formal! Am I wearing a skirt or something? |
| 18:58.54 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, I guess I am, so I deserve that. |
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| 18:59.37 | |Jelly|Laptop | Well, I guess it was a bit formal but I usually type out your name when I emote you so yeah. heh |
| 19:01.05 | Lopeppeppy | *kisskiss* |
| 19:01.10 | |Jelly|Laptop | rofl |
| 19:01.26 | |Jelly|Laptop | How's your day going? |
| 19:02.18 | Lopeppeppy | It's a day. The ice melted, I think the sun is going to come back out any year now! |
| 19:02.24 | Lopeppeppy | Ice storms are pretty, but nasty. |
| 19:02.41 | |Jelly|Laptop | hehe |
| 19:02.53 | |Jelly|Laptop | I suppose I should be thankful that it's just cold and rainy here but not freezing |
| 19:05.30 | Lunessa | But on the plus side, you could stay in and bake cookies and play WoW all day? |
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| 19:06.51 | Lopeppeppy | Nah... I commute to work mid-week, so I have to drive through it whether it's nice or not. Cookies will be this weekend, for the holidays. |
| 19:07.02 | Lopeppeppy | I've got some dark chocolate truffle balls to try out. |
| 19:07.13 | art3mis | bow down, bow down, before the power of santa or be crushed, be crushed, BYYYYYYYYYYYYYY his jolly boots of doom! |
| 19:07.47 | art3mis | hehe around xmas i always get that sogn from Zim stuck in my head |
| 19:09.13 | Lunessa | Santy Claws! |
| 19:09.46 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: I want some of those! Dark Chocolate - it will seduce you to the Dark SIDE! |
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| 19:10.53 | art3mis | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=un0kbVO-pG0 |
| 19:11.23 | art3mis | best holiday song ever |
| 19:12.03 | Lunessa | Best Holiday song - one that I don't have to hear everywhere just because it's f'ing December. |
| 19:14.52 | Lopeppeppy | I rather like Dominic the Donkey for my holiday song. |
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| 19:21.10 | Lunessa | Is Dominic a real donkey, or is there an innuendo in there somewhere. |
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| 19:22.51 | Lopeppeppy | He's a real donkey in the song, carrying presents to Italy because the reindeer can't climb all those hills. |
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| 19:24.23 | Lopeppeppy | La-la-la. |
| 19:25.47 | Lopeppeppy | Spaghetti! |
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| 19:25.57 | cHao | wifi ftw :) |
| 19:26.36 | Lopeppeppy | Until it doesn't work, cHao. |
| 19:26.51 | |Jelly|Laptop | i'm on wifi atm.. just having to sort through a bunch of cables. |
| 19:26.53 | |Jelly|Laptop | :\ |
| 19:28.12 | Lopeppeppy | Cable-sketti is like laundry and dishes and dust... the universe makes more, no matter how hard you fight entropy. |
| 19:28.37 | Lunessa | Duct Tape. The universal solution. |
| 19:29.17 | Lopeppeppy | Ferrets. The universal destructor |
| 19:29.26 | |Jelly|Laptop | this crossover cable...while being ORANGE which is different from ALL THE OTHERS is being a complete pain in the ass to untangle. lol |
| 19:31.35 | |Jelly|Laptop | *Stewie voice* VICTORY IS MINE! |
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| 19:35.11 | Lunessa | So, Cat5 Cable. We meet again! |
| 19:36.41 | Lopeppeppy | When you don't care what order they come apart in, they come apart fine. When you *care* about a particular cable... it just tightens down further the more you try! |
| 19:37.03 | Lunessa | Sounds like me, trying to get rid of an ex... |
| 19:37.24 | Lopeppeppy | *laugh* Yeah.... |
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| 19:37.42 | sag_ich_nicht | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=1739394019&sid=1&pageNo=1 okay what the hell someone explain this to me |
| 19:40.25 | |Jelly|Laptop | I guess it wouldn't be /that/ bad if there weren't xbox, ps2, usb and a single firewire cable tossed in the mix. :( |
| 19:41.10 | kamdis | Rayne: gorgeous WIP! |
| 19:43.29 | Lopeppeppy | Sounds like a fun mix. |
| 19:44.22 | |Jelly|Laptop | Oh. It's a party, that's for sure. |
| 19:44.45 | |Jelly|Laptop | Now if my pals Jack, Jim, and Morgan were here, I'd be set! |
| 19:45.24 | |Jelly|Laptop | Actually...nix that. *remembers last time drunk and gets a little sick* lol |
| 19:45.49 | Lopeppeppy | Ick. |
| 19:45.59 | Lopeppeppy | I'll keep the Captain company for you, |Jelly|. |
| 19:46.25 | |Jelly|Laptop | Careful...he's a crazy ass drunk. |
| 19:46.59 | |Jelly|Laptop | I wish I had my camera so I could show you exactly what the hell in all this frustrates me. |
| 19:47.01 | kamdis | What about your "pal" Jaegermeister? |
| 19:47.08 | kamdis | :-P |
| 19:47.11 | |Jelly|Laptop | He's a fucking asshole. |
| 19:47.47 | |Jelly|Laptop | I don't think I'll be inviting him to any solo-drinking-binges for a while. |
| 19:47.50 | Lopeppeppy | I agree. The Captain is at least jolly. |
| 19:49.21 | |Jelly|Laptop | HATE how filthy my hands get while doing this crap. |
| 19:49.43 | Lopeppeppy | But rubber gloves squeak all over the cables, so there's no percentage in gloving up really. |
| 19:50.02 | Josh_Borke | are gloves a synonym for something? |
| 19:50.10 | |Jelly|Laptop | ...and considering one of my dogs is a howler. :-\ |
| 19:51.39 | |Jelly|Laptop | rofl...getting rid of the keyboard that i used back when i played EQ1. I pulled the windows keys off it and spraypainted it, hackers style. So lame. |
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| 19:53.30 | Lunessa | lol. |
| 19:53.52 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: Invite the Captain over, but tell him to bring the Goose too. |
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| 19:57.06 | Lopeppeppy | I can't do vodka, Lunessa... I find it to be of a personality similar to Meister Jaeger. |
| 19:58.02 | Lunessa | The Meister of Jaeger is a vile summabeetch. But the Goose is my personal, imported foreign friend. I'll drink your share. |
| 19:58.44 | Lopeppeppy | Sounds good to me, Lunessa. |
| 19:58.45 | art3mis | make it camo jelly ;P |
| 19:58.58 | art3mis | and mark on yer desk where it goes incase you can't see it ;P |
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| 19:59.12 | Lunessa | RISC is good. |
| 19:59.16 | malreth | Tito's is the name of my current poison |
| 19:59.38 | malreth | i keep a bottle in my freezer at all times |
| 19:59.44 | |Jelly|Laptop | *remembers a night of Redbull and Grey Goose...* *remembers waking up on the front porch thinking I was gonna die* |
| 20:00.07 | art3mis | hehe appearantly that can give you a heart attack |
| 20:00.56 | art3mis | disarano sours and bacardi+rose's lime and my prefereds |
| 20:00.58 | |Jelly|Laptop | apparently mixing it with ephedra isn't a good idea either. roflamo. |
| 20:01.04 | art3mis | heh |
| 20:02.58 | Lunessa | drinking at malreth 's place! Tito's is good stuff. |
| 20:03.08 | malreth | and cheap! |
| 20:03.17 | Lunessa | Better stock up. |
| 20:03.29 | malreth | i already have! |
| 20:03.30 | |Jelly|Laptop | Private Stock is where it's at. Just don't share! :P |
| 20:04.59 | |Jelly|Laptop | ...and sorry Peppy but Kamdis is the only person I'd share my Private Stock with! |
| 20:05.17 | Dreagar | So, i just found out my daughter has to go back into the hospital monday. hopefully we'll be out by christmas. |
| 20:05.27 | malreth | Dreagar: :( |
| 20:05.38 | |Jelly|Laptop | Sorry to hear that. :( |
| 20:05.59 | Cairenn|afk | Dreagar: :( |
| 20:06.40 | |pez| | Dreagar: :\ what's happened with her? .. if I may ask ofcourse.. |
| 20:06.44 | Dreagar | yeah, but a few days aint so bad compared to The entire month of September we were there. they just have to shoot some talc into her chest and stick her lungs to her chest wall so that she wont have liquid accumulating there anymore. |
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| 20:07.14 | |pez| | 0.o |
| 20:07.16 | Dreagar | She was born with Half a heart Pez, Hypoplastic Left Heart Syndrome, and double outlet right ventricle. She had her third heart surgery on Aug 30. |
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| 20:07.39 | Dreagar | hopefully that'll be her last major surgery till she needs a transplant at like 30 years old. |
| 20:08.00 | |pez| | that's not any cool, I'm sorry to hear that, but hopfully everything will turn out as best it can. |
| 20:08.14 | Dreagar | heh, on a different note, now ya'll know why i don't have much else to do and why i'm not workin. lol |
| 20:08.48 | Dreagar | i'm sure it will pez, this is a fairly minor procedure, and it will stave off future problems. damn well hate havin to make the decision to do it though. |
| 20:09.00 | bleeter | wowzers @ the shadowstep sploit |
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| 20:09.39 | Dreagar | www.myspace.com/jasonaurora if u wanna see her. |
| 20:09.50 | art3mis | wow |
| 20:09.50 | foxlit | holy purple! |
| 20:09.52 | Dreagar | :D ko. now back to readin my /pil |
| 20:09.58 | Dreagar | hehe |
| 20:10.02 | art3mis | my new business connection takes -1043ms to ping google |
| 20:10.34 | Dreagar | so what u all think of the Dell WOW laptop?? |
| 20:10.38 | foxlit | wish myspace would stop geolocating my IP and serving appropriate-language text |
| 20:11.03 | |pez| | Dell has WoW laptops? |
| 20:11.19 | kamdis | yeah, horde and alliance |
| 20:11.28 | kamdis | My opinion is "meh" |
| 20:11.32 | kamdis | over priced |
| 20:12.29 | Lunessa | Shouldn't that quote be, "Fear makes me an expert on subjects I want to know nothing about?" |
| 20:13.00 | Dreagar | does seem overpriced, i do like some of the features tho. for a gaming laptop, it seems nice ta me. :D |
| 20:13.41 | Dreagar | lOl. nah, the way it is there is how i heard it at an AA meeting. |
| 20:14.04 | Dreagar | had to get sober to get custody of my daughter. been doin AA since i left my ex almsot 2 years ago |
| 20:14.10 | bleeter | heh, funny that they've removed the shadowstep sploit from the PTR forum, but it's still there in the rogue forum |
| 20:15.02 | Dreagar | i'd ask, but rogues are my least fav class. only one i haven't played to 40. lol |
| 20:15.17 | Dreagar | hate playin rogues. no patience |
| 20:15.28 | kamdis | bleeter, the thread is still in the rogue forums, but the mechanics of the exloit have been removed from the OP |
| 20:16.40 | bleeter | kamdis: I'm still seeing it |
| 20:18.58 | kamdis | Well, I hadn't gone to the thread before and I'm not seeing it. Maybe it's cached? |
| 20:19.15 | art3mis | oooooooooooo |
| 20:19.33 | art3mis | 28582kbps down 4678kbps up |
| 20:20.05 | MentalPower | bleeter: link? |
| 20:20.08 | bleeter | kamdis: dunno, still there in another browser which doesn't use my proxy |
| 20:20.18 | cladhaire | i feel like wowhead is LOSINg quest level information =/ |
| 20:20.21 | Rayne | POGA POGA POGA POGA POGA POGA POGA POGA |
| 20:20.23 | Xuerian | art3mis: Damn you |
| 20:20.28 | cladhaire | which is stoopid, cause it exists in game |
| 20:20.51 | cladhaire | http://wow.pastey.net/78900 |
| 20:21.04 | bleeter | cladhaire: wowhead consider PTR to be authoritatititive, don't they? |
| 20:21.13 | cladhaire | no freaking clue |
| 20:21.16 | cladhaire | but these are old quests |
| 20:21.18 | MentalPower | they do |
| 20:21.21 | cladhaire | as is evidenced by their quest id |
| 20:21.35 | cladhaire | bastages |
| 20:21.37 | cladhaire | *shrug* |
| 20:21.40 | cladhaire | oh well, users will have to suffer |
| 20:21.42 | cladhaire | not much i can do about it |
| 20:22.04 | foxlit | alternative data sources, go go |
| 20:22.17 | art3mis | Xuerian: 75$/mn ;) |
| 20:22.18 | cladhaire | i dont have parsers for any other data sources |
| 20:22.29 | cladhaire | and on average, the comments elsewhere blow monkey nuts. |
| 20:22.34 | Xuerian | art3mis: I'm paying 65/mn for 1.5mb/200kb |
| 20:22.38 | Xuerian | art3mis: So screw you >_o |
| 20:22.41 | foxlit | Er, so just grab the quest levels? |
| 20:22.46 | art3mis | and it's paid for by a client ;P |
| 20:22.46 | foxlit | It's not really that hard :) |
| 20:23.07 | Xuerian | bastard |
| 20:23.08 | cladhaire | foxlit: i cba at the moment |
| 20:23.20 | cladhaire | i'd gladly accept a lua function built around http.socket that did so, however :P |
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| 20:23.39 | foxlit | Then it's "want" not "can" in "not much i can do about it" :)] |
| 20:23.48 | foxlit | Okay, well, let me see what I can do :) |
| 20:24.07 | foxlit | quest id in, quest level out? |
| 20:24.18 | cladhaire | aye |
| 20:24.21 | Dreagar | so the Pil says that userdata is one of eight basic types in Lua. what's userdata? |
| 20:24.24 | cladhaire | but i may have it done already |
| 20:24.34 | foxlit | Dreagar: type defined by host application |
| 20:24.36 | cladhaire | Dreagar: its a wrapper for a c data structure |
| 20:24.44 | cladhaire | tho what foxlit said is more accurate |
| 20:24.45 | cladhaire | by far :P |
| 20:24.59 | Dreagar | more accurate, but yours was easier to understand. lol |
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| 20:25.17 | MentalPower | theres also two kinds of userdata |
| 20:25.21 | MentalPower | light and full |
| 20:25.54 | Dreagar | .. if i am thinkin right, 'host application' is whatever application language is being used outside of Lua? |
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| 20:26.19 | Dreagar | i mean, i get that Lua, is usually used in tandem with another language.. C etc.. |
| 20:27.13 | Dreagar | or. maybe i don't. i mean, most programs are not written exclusively in Lua correct? IE Wow engine is C++? and Lua is used for the UI? |
| 20:27.20 | MentalPower | yup |
| 20:27.26 | MentalPower | yes to all things you've said |
| 20:27.54 | MentalPower | host application is the application that calls Lua |
| 20:27.56 | Dreagar | ok. good. would you happen to know an example of userdata in the wowui? |
| 20:28.14 | MentalPower | frames |
| 20:28.21 | MentalPower | ./dump UIParent[0] |
| 20:28.37 | MentalPower | ./dump CreateFrame("Frame")[0] |
| 20:28.44 | Dreagar | hmm. that don't help much |
| 20:28.49 | MentalPower | thats the only example actually |
| 20:29.00 | Dreagar | Frames are written in XML ? |
| 20:29.12 | MentalPower | frames can be defined in XML or in Lua |
| 20:29.25 | MentalPower | they are built from that definition by the WoW UI |
| 20:29.29 | Dreagar | yup. i know that ohhh.. UIParent is the userdata |
| 20:29.45 | MentalPower | they are exposed to the Lua environment as a standard table |
| 20:29.50 | Lunessa | cladhaire: blowing monkey nuts is a hell of a visual. |
| 20:30.00 | cladhaire | lol |
| 20:30.02 | MentalPower | and in that table is a userdata type present at index 0 |
| 20:30.03 | Dreagar | ok that makes sense. thanks. :D |
| 20:30.17 | MentalPower | Dreagar: UIParent is not userdata |
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| 20:30.24 | MentalPower | Dreagar: UIParent[0] is userdata |
| 20:31.10 | Dreagar | oooohhhh ok. any way i could see that? or would it just look like random characters? lol |
| 20:31.55 | foxlit | gr, textmate crashed |
| 20:32.23 | cladhaire | foxlit: got it, thanks for the suggestion |
| 20:32.37 | foxlit | Hah, I almost wrote you thottbot parsing code, too |
| 20:32.42 | foxlit | Still want it? |
| 20:32.57 | Dreagar | another question: Lua only uses floating point numbers? no integers? |
| 20:32.58 | cladhaire | did you do anything more complex than get the <Td> with Level (%d+)? |
| 20:33.06 | foxlit | Nah |
| 20:33.08 | Josh_Borke | Dreagar: lua has no types |
| 20:33.14 | Josh_Borke | Dreagar: sorry, i shouldn't say that |
| 20:33.24 | Josh_Borke | Dreagar: lua does have integers |
| 20:33.26 | Josh_Borke | lua> 0 == 0 |
| 20:33.27 | lua_bot | Josh_Borke: true |
| 20:33.30 | Josh_Borke | lua> 0.0 == 0 |
| 20:33.30 | lua_bot | Josh_Borke: true |
| 20:33.44 | cladhaire | then newp,i'm all good. |
| 20:33.50 | foxlit | cladhaire: added an "obtained at" return value, but nothing special otherwise |
| 20:34.19 | Dreagar | JoshBorke: yup. understand that, but when you assign a number to a variable. Lua sees or deals with it only as a float? |
| 20:34.31 | Josh_Borke | Dreagar: it deals with it as a number |
| 20:34.34 | MentalPower | Dreagar: no real way no, the best you can do is tostring(UIParent[0]) |
| 20:34.38 | foxlit | Draegar: yes |
| 20:34.53 | cladhaire | heh |
| 20:34.55 | cladhaire | pvp quests still have no level |
| 20:34.56 | cladhaire | LIES |
| 20:34.56 | Josh_Borke | hrmph, why people always gotta classify things into little boxes |
| 20:35.04 | cladhaire | i bet the client displays a level |
| 20:35.24 | Dreagar | Check. well Josh-Borke, all i know is Java, and i'm just tryin to use it as a refrence point to help me understand better. |
| 20:35.58 | foxlit | Josh: because the smaller the box is, the less ambiguously you define something |
| 20:36.07 | foxlit | integer, for example, generally means whole numbers |
| 20:36.33 | Josh_Borke | isn't that what an integer is, by definition? |
| 20:36.49 | Josh_Borke | purl, define integer |
| 20:36.50 | purl | Use ~dict for definitions. |
| 20:36.57 | Josh_Borke | i hate you purl |
| 20:36.59 | Josh_Borke | ~dict integer |
| 20:37.13 | Josh_Borke | purl, you're not helpful at all |
| 20:37.14 | purl | no *you're* not helpful at all |
| 20:37.33 | Josh_Borke | why do you have to point out what a loser i am purl? |
| 20:37.42 | Josh_Borke | purl, you're so mean! |
| 20:37.45 | Dreagar | in java, Integers, Doubles, float, etc. are all treated slightly differently by the compiler. Lua on the other hand deals with all numbers in the same fashion making things slightly easier. |
| 20:37.59 | Josh_Borke | lua makes pie easier |
| 20:38.09 | foxlit | mm, sweet delicious cake |
| 20:38.27 | Dreagar | ok on to strings. :D |
| 20:38.40 | malreth | easier... unless you grew up using optimization tricks that relied on integer math in C... |
| 20:38.40 | Josh_Borke | strings are strings man |
| 20:39.06 | foxlit | Kind of kills bitlib performance |
| 20:39.11 | kergoth | ~emulate fry |
| 20:39.12 | purl | People said I was dumb, but I proved them. |
| 20:39.24 | malreth | ~emulate malreth |
| 20:39.25 | purl | i never thought of myself as narcissistic but you know what? I AM! |
| 20:39.37 | malreth | i though i had more quotes in there... |
| 20:39.42 | MentalPower | lua> "foo" == "foo" |
| 20:39.42 | lua_bot | MentalPower: true |
| 20:39.46 | MentalPower | thats false in Java |
| 20:39.47 | Josh_Borke | ~literal emulate malreth |
| 20:39.47 | purl | "emulate malreth" is "<reply>(Uh... No. Malreth scares me.|i have yet to find any olsen twin porn...|as long as it's not anal-related, it's fine|that makes me sticky in the pants|i never thought of myself as narcissistic but you know what? I AM!)" |
| 20:39.59 | malreth | ah... yes |
| 20:40.14 | kergoth | MentalPower: i take it == is an actual comparison of object identity in java? |
| 20:40.39 | foxlit | kergoth: yes, unless you're comparing primitive types |
| 20:40.54 | MentalPower | kergoth: == means "do these two things share the same address" |
| 20:40.55 | Dreagar | correct |
| 20:40.58 | malreth | lua> {} == {} |
| 20:40.59 | lua_bot | malreth: false |
| 20:41.18 | foxlit | MP: int a; int b; a = 42; b= 42; boolean c; c = a == b; c == true; |
| 20:41.20 | Dreagar | it compares memory address basically. |
| 20:41.34 | MentalPower | foxlit: yeah, except for primitive |
| 20:41.45 | MentalPower | bah, that came out wrong |
| 20:41.46 | Dreagar | so, on a side note. is Lua object oriented? |
| 20:41.49 | MentalPower | you know what I mean |
| 20:41.53 | Josh_Borke | MentalPower: no |
| 20:41.54 | MentalPower | Dreagar: it can be |
| 20:41.57 | Josh_Borke | damnit |
| 20:42.20 | MentalPower | Dreagar: OO Lua is covered in PiL |
| 20:42.35 | malreth | Dreagar: it's not inherently OO... but you can make OO structures |
| 20:42.55 | MentalPower | its multi-paradigm |
| 20:43.07 | Dreagar | I'm readin Pil right now. havne't gotten that far. just was curious. :D |
| 20:43.19 | malreth | Lua is imperative, functional, and object-oriented |
| 20:44.32 | Dreagar | that's what i was thinking Malreth. |
| 20:44.42 | Cide | unless I'm mistaken, lua numbers are by default 'long long's |
| 20:44.45 | Josh_Borke | lua is <3 |
| 20:45.01 | malreth | Cide: depends on compile time definitions |
| 20:45.09 | malreth | but by default, it's double floats |
| 20:45.25 | MentalPower | they are IEEE 64-bit floats |
| 20:45.36 | MentalPower | (by default) |
| 20:45.45 | MentalPower | long long in C parlance yes |
| 20:45.56 | Dreagar | says in pil they are Double Precision Floating Point s Cide. |
| 20:46.13 | Cide | see what malreth and MentalPower said, they know that stuff better than I do for sure |
| 20:46.13 | MentalPower | they all describe the same thing |
| 20:46.24 | foxlit | But, um, question |
| 20:46.34 | foxlit | Does long long actually have a floating point? |
| 20:46.36 | Cide | in any case, lua doesn't make the 'int'/'float' distinction; they're both numbers |
| 20:46.39 | sag_ich_nicht | mhm |
| 20:46.40 | sag_ich_nicht | wow |
| 20:46.45 | Cide | effectively, anyway |
| 20:46.46 | sag_ich_nicht | WoW is pushing my CPU to 77°C |
| 20:46.49 | sag_ich_nicht | erm |
| 20:46.51 | sag_ich_nicht | GPU |
| 20:46.51 | MentalPower | foxlit: yeah... |
| 20:46.52 | sag_ich_nicht | not CPU |
| 20:46.53 | Cide | boil an egg |
| 20:46.54 | sag_ich_nicht | CPU would be bad |
| 20:46.55 | sag_ich_nicht | :X |
| 20:47.06 | bleeter | cook lasagne |
| 20:47.11 | sag_ich_nicht | oh HI BLEETER |
| 20:47.14 | malreth | well, you only get 2^52 (or was it 53?) integer precision with Lua numbers |
| 20:47.24 | bleeter | 'lo |
| 20:47.29 | sag_ich_nicht | to quote myself from earlier: |
| 20:47.30 | sag_ich_nicht | [20:37] <sag_ich_nicht> http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=1739394019&sid=1&pageNo=1 okay what the hell someone explain this to me |
| 20:47.36 | malreth | wait... yeah, 2^52 |
| 20:47.36 | Dreagar | Cide: By my understanding of pil, yes |
| 20:48.07 | Cide | Dreagar: I'm glad to see that you're reading that btw :) |
| 20:48.08 | cladhaire | sag_ich_nicht: what don't you understand about it |
| 20:48.10 | malreth | sag_ich_nicht: it's a joke. laugh at it because if you don't, they're making fun of people like you |
| 20:48.12 | cladhaire | its explained pretty well in the thread |
| 20:48.14 | bleeter | sag_ich_nicht: I've heard of such stuff before. My only guess is some DirectX magic. |
| 20:48.22 | cladhaire | its explained.. in the thread |
| 20:48.24 | cladhaire | its not directx |
| 20:48.26 | foxlit | I can guess based on the responses |
| 20:48.28 | cladhaire | its realtime thread priority |
| 20:48.28 | bleeter | ah, kk |
| 20:48.31 | foxlit | Vista's superfetch? |
| 20:48.32 | cladhaire | confirmed by microsoftr |
| 20:48.36 | cladhaire | leaking to wow for some reason |
| 20:48.37 | MentalPower | malreth: correct Double precision floats have 52 bits in the mantissa |
| 20:48.43 | bleeter | cladhaire: I get as far as 'start WmP' and vague out ;) |
| 20:48.46 | cladhaire | you can also change the thread priority timing in Config.wtf for speedup. |
| 20:48.58 | foxlit | Wouldn't want wow to have relatime priority |
| 20:49.00 | Dreagar | Cide: While i have read thru it before, now i'm going thru and trying to make sure i understand everything instead of just assuming i do. :D tahnks for the beating in the correct direction. |
| 20:49.01 | Josh_Borke | does it work if you run multiple wow? |
| 20:49.11 | foxlit | It would more or less hang windows if wow hangs |
| 20:49.12 | Cide | anytime |
| 20:49.15 | cladhaire | can /console timingMethod 1 |
| 20:49.18 | cladhaire | or /console timingMethod 2 |
| 20:49.20 | cladhaire | but be careful :P |
| 20:49.24 | malreth | i sometimes give my fiancee multiple "wows" |
| 20:49.26 | Cide | just ask a stupid question and I'll direct you to the correct path |
| 20:49.27 | cladhaire | foxlit: yes.. thats why its a bad thing |
| 20:49.29 | Cide | and link pil |
| 20:49.32 | cladhaire | but its only to specific threads |
| 20:49.40 | MentalPower | ~lart malreth |
| 20:49.40 | purl | beats malreth severely about the head and shoulders with a rubber chicken |
| 20:49.58 | Dreagar | i'm on to tables now. :D and seeing something that's makin me think i may have an epiphany coming. |
| 20:50.00 | Cide | malreth: that's generous... do you pay her monthly fees as well? |
| 20:50.15 | bleeter | or go down only once a week? |
| 20:50.20 | widgertick | O_o |
| 20:50.24 | bleeter | with a promise it's gunna be less frequent in the future? |
| 20:50.24 | cladhaire | lol |
| 20:50.37 | Cide | do you multi-box? |
| 20:50.41 | sag_ich_nicht | [21:48] <malreth> sag_ich_nicht: it's a joke. laugh at it because if you don't, they're making fun of people like you <--except not, if you continue reading the thread, that's the weird thing |
| 20:50.53 | malreth | Cide: it's not called a "fee" if the money is extracted from you by force |
| 20:50.54 | Cide | if so, make sure each action results from at least one press |
| 20:51.05 | Dreagar | io.read means to Lua to index the table io, using read as the key. got that. what i am wondering is.. when you say something.something2, that always means, access table something using something2 as the key? |
| 20:51.05 | Cide | or you will be punished |
| 20:51.16 | malreth | sag_ich_nicht: i don't read threads on the blizz forums |
| 20:51.22 | Cide | Dreagar: yes |
| 20:51.29 | Cide | a.b == access key "b" in table a |
| 20:51.32 | cladhaire | Dreagar: blah.something means nothing more than blah["something"] |
| 20:51.34 | cladhaire | always as a string tho |
| 20:51.38 | Cide | yep |
| 20:51.43 | Cide | and there are a few limitations |
| 20:51.51 | Cide | blah.2foo doesn't work, but blah["2foo"] does |
| 20:51.56 | Dreagar | omg. a light turns on. :) |
| 20:52.09 | sag_ich_nicht | [21:48] <@cladhaire> leaking to wow for some reason <--oO |
| 20:52.28 | Dreagar | because there is some problem in telling the difference between a string type and number type Cide? |
| 20:52.43 | sag_ich_nicht | cladhaire that is weird |
| 20:52.55 | malreth | Dreagar: has to do with how lua parses labels, probably more likely |
| 20:53.02 | sag_ich_nicht | cladhaire do we have any details on what exactly the timingMethod CVar changes? |
| 20:53.07 | cladhaire | its a semantic limitation in Lua, a number is nothing more than a number, unless it appears in a string literal. Meaning the number "2" is picked up as a number |
| 20:53.11 | cladhaire | sag_ich_nicht: thread timing method, allegedly |
| 20:53.19 | cladhaire | lua> io.2foo |
| 20:53.20 | lua_bot | cladhaire: sandbox.lua:286: Compilation failed: [string "io.2foo"]:1: malformed number near '.2foo' |
| 20:53.30 | cladhaire | hence the error |
| 20:53.35 | sag_ich_nicht | cladhaire: well duh. that is not very detailed :P |
| 20:53.58 | Cide | it's the same with normal variable names too |
| 20:54.01 | cladhaire | sag_ich_nicht: it means 8-10 seconds speedup when reloading ui for some people; |
| 20:54.03 | Cide | lua> 2foo |
| 20:54.03 | lua_bot | Cide: sandbox.lua:286: Compilation failed: [string "2foo"]:1: malformed number near '2foo' |
| 20:54.20 | Dreagar | ahh ok. :-) i understand |
| 20:55.52 | malreth | Dreagar: first sentence: http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#2.1 |
| 20:56.19 | malreth | "Names (also called identifiers) in Lua can be any string of letters, digits, and underscores, not beginning with a digit. This coincides with the definition of names in most languages. (The definition of letter depends on the current locale: any character considered alphabetic by the current locale can be used in an identifier.) Identifiers are used to name variables and table fields." |
| 20:56.27 | malreth | ok... paragraph |
| 20:57.27 | sag_ich_nicht | cladhaire: "hey there is a cvar that changes the thread timing method. it takes 0, 1, and 2. 2 is the default. i dunno what those do, but you can mess with them to see what works best" is that the statement, or is there information on what is actually changed(i.e. TECHNICALLY changed :P) |
| 20:57.30 | Dreagar | check |
| 20:57.58 | cladhaire | aye |
| 20:58.06 | cladhaire | they may break |
| 20:58.09 | cladhaire | something |
| 20:58.10 | cladhaire | anything |
| 20:58.13 | cladhaire | but that cvar has been changed |
| 20:58.19 | cladhaire | and gives the same speedup as having WMP open |
| 20:58.24 | cladhaire | Satrina did quite a bit of testing with it |
| 20:58.29 | cladhaire | like he does with _everything_ |
| 20:58.40 | malreth | Dreagar: also, about tables... both the key and the value in a table can be of any type (except for nil) |
| 20:58.59 | Josh_Borke | value can be saved nil in wow |
| 20:59.05 | malreth | so your keys don't have to be limited to strings (though commonly they are) |
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| 21:00.45 | MentalPower | Josh_Borke: no it can't |
| 21:01.09 | Josh_Borke | MentalPower: i thought slowken gave those to us in saved variables? |
| 21:01.29 | MentalPower | if you're talking about the nils in some SV files, thats just a tweak for a change that was made to table parsing in Lua 5.1 |
| 21:01.37 | Dreagar | yup, that one i know. |
| 21:01.38 | Josh_Borke | oh, ok |
| 21:02.25 | malreth | lua> function foo() print("hoopy") end; bar = { [foo] = "lamp" }; foo(); print(bar[foo]) |
| 21:02.26 | lua_bot | malreth: hoopy, lamp |
| 21:02.55 | MentalPower | basically {1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,0} takes less memory in Lua 5.1 than {[1]=1,[2]=2,[3]=3,[4]=4,[5]=5,[6]=6,[7]=7,[8]=8,[9]=9,[10]=0} |
| 21:03.10 | MentalPower | in Lua 5.0 they take the same ammount of memory |
| 21:03.31 | malreth | lua> function foo() print("hoopy") end; bar = { [foo] = "lamp", ["hoopy"] = "bill clinton" }; foo(); print(bar[foo]); print(bar[foo()]) |
| 21:03.31 | lua_bot | malreth: hoopy, lamp, hoopy, nil |
| 21:03.43 | MentalPower | Josh_Borke: the change is due to the fact that in Lua 5.1 the former is converted into an integer indexed array and the latter is converted into a hash table |
| 21:03.45 | malreth | hmm... |
| 21:04.06 | malreth | doh |
| 21:04.08 | Guillotine | malreth: foo returns nothing. its just printing hoopy |
| 21:04.09 | Josh_Borke | MentalPower: that seems kind of dumb to me, the fact that they convert the second 1 to a hash table regardless |
| 21:04.14 | malreth | course |
| 21:04.42 | malreth | lua> function foo() return "hoopy" end; bar = { [foo] = "lamp", ["hoopy"] = "bill clinton" }; print(bar[foo]); print(bar[foo()]) |
| 21:04.43 | lua_bot | malreth: lamp, bill clinton |
| 21:04.44 | MentalPower | Josh_Borke: it was a change in the parser to improve performance somewhere else, ask iriel for the specifics |
| 21:06.47 | cladhaire | if you do the first one, the table is pre-allocated with the right number of slots, whereas in the second it gets realloc'd over and over again (double each time) |
| 21:06.51 | cladhaire | taking up more space, and taking more time |
| 21:06.59 | cladhaire | that's the basic moral of the story imo |
| 21:07.07 | sag_ich_nicht | cladhaire: okay so which option gives that speedup? i mean the default is apparently 2 |
| 21:07.12 | cladhaire | sag_ich_nicht: 1 apparently |
| 21:07.17 | cladhaire | i'm using it without crashing |
| 21:07.20 | cladhaire | but i dont see much speedup |
| 21:07.22 | cladhaire | but i'm not on windows :P |
| 21:07.30 | sag_ich_nicht | okay i'll try it :P |
| 21:08.26 | sag_ich_nicht | and bleeter |
| 21:08.36 | sag_ich_nicht | i'm having a report of someone dropping from 90 ms latency to 9 |
| 21:08.53 | MentalPower | 9ms latency? |
| 21:08.54 | sag_ich_nicht | after changing the settings to force TCP_NODELAY |
| 21:08.57 | sag_ich_nicht | MentalPower: europe |
| 21:08.59 | MentalPower | are they like next door to the servers? |
| 21:09.06 | sag_ich_nicht | MentalPower: i know, i'm wondering too :P |
| 21:09.19 | sag_ich_nicht | but i know it can happen with good lines |
| 21:09.20 | Cide | I frequently have <10ms latency to european servers |
| 21:09.29 | MentalPower | ~envy Cid |
| 21:09.29 | Cide | to the american wow servers... 310 |
| 21:09.31 | MentalPower | ~envy Cide |
| 21:09.43 | sag_ich_nicht | and my latency dropped too |
| 21:09.48 | sag_ich_nicht | from 75 to like 35 |
| 21:09.48 | MentalPower | I get ~300ms and I'm *inside* the US |
| 21:09.50 | Cide | which still isn't bad, but hey, I'm spoiled :P |
| 21:09.57 | sag_ich_nicht | MentalPower: okay here's something for you |
| 21:10.13 | Cide | MentalPower: then again, common download speeds for me are in the 4-6mb/s range |
| 21:10.18 | Cide | from swedish servers |
| 21:10.19 | sag_ich_nicht | HKLM\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\Tcpip\Parameters\Interfaces |
| 21:10.30 | sag_ich_nicht | go there(regedit, durhur) |
| 21:10.31 | sag_ich_nicht | oh wait |
| 21:10.32 | MentalPower | <--Vista BTW |
| 21:10.36 | sag_ich_nicht | doesn't matter |
| 21:10.41 | sag_ich_nicht | applies to vista too afaik |
| 21:10.48 | MentalPower | just saying JIC |
| 21:10.48 | sag_ich_nicht | anyway |
| 21:10.51 | sag_ich_nicht | go there |
| 21:11.00 | sag_ich_nicht | in each key there |
| 21:11.08 | sag_ich_nicht | create a new DWORD value |
| 21:11.10 | sag_ich_nicht | TcpAckFrequency |
| 21:11.13 | sag_ich_nicht | set the value to 1 |
| 21:11.17 | sag_ich_nicht | reboot machine |
| 21:11.24 | sag_ich_nicht | see if latency changed |
| 21:12.03 | MentalPower | does it matter if its 32-bit or 64-bit DWORD? |
| 21:12.08 | sag_ich_nicht | (note: this WILL cause applications like MMOs, instant messengers, remote desktop connections to use up to 4000% more bandwidth... not that it matters :P) |
| 21:12.11 | Beladona | actually those settings are accessed via a command line in vista |
| 21:12.12 | MentalPower | err... nm |
| 21:12.18 | sag_ich_nicht | Beladona: uhm |
| 21:12.19 | sag_ich_nicht | Beladona: okay |
| 21:12.19 | Beladona | the registry value has no effect |
| 21:12.27 | MentalPower | DWORD == 32bit, QWORD == 64bit |
| 21:12.31 | sag_ich_nicht | Beladona: well great. lemme guess, netsh? |
| 21:12.38 | Beladona | think so |
| 21:12.54 | Beladona | trying to find it now |
| 21:12.55 | Beladona | one sec |
| 21:13.06 | sag_ich_nicht | oh okay, i was going to look it up, but okay |
| 21:13.42 | Beladona | http://support.microsoft.com/kb/935458 |
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| 21:16.42 | Beladona | can't find the netsh equivalent. It may not exist. But that patch will fix vista obeying the registry entry |
| 21:17.19 | sag_ich_nicht | Beladona: i can't see a download button for the hotfix, nor the usual request link for specific hotfixes |
| 21:17.52 | sag_ich_nicht | does this require a live login? |
| 21:18.15 | Dreagar | so, in Lua, you can return a function, from a function, and another function could change that returned function and make it return something different than the origional function intended? |
| 21:19.02 | Dreagar | not that i can think of a reason to do that, but theoretically it's possible? |
| 21:19.59 | Cide | that's slightly wrong |
| 21:20.03 | Cide | you can't change a function |
| 21:20.26 | Cide | it's hard to phrase it correctly |
| 21:20.41 | Cide | you can return a function from a function, yes - functions can be passed around just like strings |
| 21:20.58 | Dreagar | right, that part i understand. |
| 21:21.00 | Cide | if you have a variable referencing a function, for example |
| 21:21.15 | Cide | local foo = function() return "hi" end |
| 21:21.25 | Cide | you could change the value of foo to reference another, different function |
| 21:21.30 | Dreagar | it says you can redefine a function to add new funcitonality |
| 21:21.30 | Cide | but you can't change the function itself |
| 21:21.34 | Cide | where? |
| 21:21.38 | wereHamster | you guys like kittens, right? |
| 21:21.40 | foxlit | local bar = foo; |
| 21:21.50 | foxlit | foo = function() return "meh"; end |
| 21:21.56 | foxlit | foo(); bar(); -- meh, hi |
| 21:22.03 | Dreagar | http://www.lua.org/pil/2.6.html |
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| 21:22.15 | sag_ich_nicht | Beladona: do you have download for that, is it available over windows update, or what D: |
| 21:22.19 | Cide | Dreagar: ok, what it means is this |
| 21:22.33 | Cide | function doThis() does(); this(); end |
| 21:22.38 | sag_ich_nicht | s/have/have a/ |
| 21:22.40 | Cide | but then another piece of code comes in, and does |
| 21:22.42 | wereHamster | there's a interesting story on slashdot, about fluorescent cats: http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/biz/2007/12/123_15447.html |
| 21:22.47 | Cide | doThis = function() does(); something(); else() end |
| 21:22.56 | Cide | now, calling doThis calls the new function that does something else, instead of the original |
| 21:23.23 | malreth | talking about function hooking? |
| 21:23.38 | Cide | not necessarily |
| 21:23.42 | Dreagar | ok that makes sense. |
| 21:23.55 | malreth | Cide: kk |
| 21:24.20 | malreth | Dreagar: remember about a week ago when i told you that functions are assigned to variables just like any other type in lua... like bools or numbers or strings? |
| 21:24.29 | Dreagar | yes |
| 21:24.33 | sag_ich_nicht | okay looks like it's part of vista SP1 beta |
| 21:24.40 | sag_ich_nicht | MentalPower: 64 bit or 32 bit vista? |
| 21:24.45 | malreth | good... dots... connect. ;) |
| 21:24.52 | MentalPower | 32 |
| 21:24.56 | bleeter | wereHamster: random stupid thought for the day, no idea if you can answer. could we compile Wine so that all it's network traffic is TCP_NOWAIT enabled? |
| 21:24.57 | MentalPower | for now |
| 21:24.58 | sag_ich_nicht | MentalPower: http://thehotfixshare.net/board/index.php?automodule=downloads&showfile=180 |
| 21:25.01 | Beladona | sag_ich_nicht: not sure but it identifies KB935458, so you may be able to download it from the download center |
| 21:25.11 | MentalPower | will go 64 as soon as I can backup my shitz |
| 21:25.15 | malreth | i'm just going to assume that i'm still following the conversatino |
| 21:25.24 | Dreagar | i get that part, the pil just says that u can redefine functions. IE i was thinking you could have a function, return a function, then another function can take that returned function and change it so that the origional function does something different than what the old function did. |
| 21:25.31 | wereHamster | bleeter, I guess so, is that a socket option> |
| 21:25.32 | wereHamster | ? |
| 21:25.37 | sag_ich_nicht | Beladona: it's part of SP1 beta, so there isn't an official download, but i just found a third party download, which i just linked to mental power |
| 21:25.46 | Beladona | cool |
| 21:25.55 | malreth | Dreagar: that would require changing the factory function, not the returned function |
| 21:25.59 | Beladona | how you like Vista MentalPower? |
| 21:26.03 | bleeter | wereHamster: yar... http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3271071466&sid=1 |
| 21:26.05 | MentalPower | so far so good |
| 21:26.09 | Beladona | 64bit is definitely the way to go |
| 21:26.11 | MentalPower | haven't had any issues with it |
| 21:26.14 | sag_ich_nicht | [22:24] <bleeter> wereHamster: random stupid thought for the day, no idea if you can answer. could we compile Wine so that all it's network traffic is TCP_NOWAIT enabled? <--mhm wait NOWAIT? shouldn't that be NODELAY? |
| 21:26.20 | Dreagar | just tryin to make sure i have a good handle on what's possible. |
| 21:26.26 | bleeter | er |
| 21:26.27 | MentalPower | yeah, I just need to buy a new external HDD |
| 21:26.32 | MentalPower | mine's full |
| 21:26.32 | bleeter | yeah, prolly, sag_ich_nicht ;) |
| 21:26.36 | sag_ich_nicht | :X |
| 21:26.36 | Dreagar | i think Cide 'splained it pretty good. |
| 21:26.48 | bleeter | gimma a break, it's only 08:30 |
| 21:26.50 | Dreagar | said what u did with an example. hehe |
| 21:26.52 | malreth | that's because Cide wears an "I'M SUPER SMART" cape |
| 21:27.02 | Beladona | have you played with symlinks much? |
| 21:27.03 | wereHamster | bleeter, I saw that post yesteray. But doesn't linux have some sort of option for that in /proc/sys? |
| 21:27.05 | sag_ich_nicht | bleeter: shouldn't wine already emulate the behaviour of windows in concern to the registry key stated by me above? |
| 21:27.10 | bleeter | wereHamster: nope |
| 21:27.31 | wereHamster | sag_ich_nicht, not that kind of registry options |
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| 21:27.53 | frop | yay, Gruul down...and topped damage .) |
| 21:27.57 | sag_ich_nicht | uncool |
| 21:27.59 | bleeter | frop: grats |
| 21:28.00 | Beladona | grats |
| 21:28.00 | Dreagar | I thought it was a 'check www.lua.org/pil' cape? |
| 21:28.01 | Dreagar | :D |
| 21:28.02 | wereHamster | that is a kernel option and not a userspace app option |
| 21:28.27 | Cide | Dreagar: note that you have to change the specific reference that the code uses in order to change the functionality |
| 21:28.43 | sag_ich_nicht | [22:22] <wereHamster> there's a interesting story on slashdot, about fluorescent cats: http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/biz/2007/12/123_15447.html <--korea eat cat |
| 21:28.48 | sag_ich_nicht | (sorry, had to) |
| 21:29.17 | Cide | if you, for example, have a file that does local foo = function() doStuff() end, you can never change what function is called from another file, since the variable (and thus the reference) is local |
| 21:29.25 | Cide | if that makes sense |
| 21:29.36 | sag_ich_nicht | MentalPower: maybe you should apply the hotfix, add the DWORD entries to the keys, reboot, and see if it makes a difference (it should :P) |
| 21:30.09 | Dreagar | i think i get it. so function foo() return function bar() return 6 end end function foofoo(foo()) return function bar() return 7 end end |
| 21:30.37 | wereHamster | bleeter, find where wine creates the network socket, and add setsockopt() :) |
| 21:31.02 | Dreagar | you have to actually change Bar() in foofoo() to make that happen |
| 21:31.05 | bleeter | wereHamster: 'tis what I was thinking, just wanted to run it past someone else to ensure I wasn't totally insane with my thoughts ;) |
| 21:31.10 | malreth | Dreagar: there's an error there... |
| 21:31.50 | wereHamster | bleeter, you could even preload a small lib if you don't want to modify wine ;) |
| 21:32.33 | Dreagar | but what i'm thinkin about changing functions.. ou have to redefine the whole function to change it? |
| 21:32.47 | MentalPower | sag_ich_nicht: I'll be getting SP1 soonish, so I'll just test that way |
| 21:33.30 | malreth | lua>function foo() return function bar() return 6 end end |
| 21:33.30 | lua_bot | malreth: sandbox.lua:286: Compilation failed: [string "function foo() return function bar() return 6 end end"]:1: '(' expected near 'bar' |
| 21:33.48 | malreth | lua>function foo() return function () return 6 end end |
| 21:33.48 | lua_bot | malreth: |
| 21:34.13 | bleeter | wereHamster: heh, well, i don't really care *how* I do it, just that there's gotta be a cleaner way for Winers to achieve same results ;) |
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| 21:34.20 | malreth | when you're creating an anonymous function, you can't stick a name in there |
| 21:35.16 | Dreagar | to give it a name you'd have to bar = function foo() return function () return 6 end end |
| 21:35.34 | Beladona | no |
| 21:35.37 | wereHamster | bleeter, the cleanest way would be the preload thing, since compiling the whole wine is probably too much for the average user |
| 21:35.37 | malreth | that's also an erro |
| 21:35.39 | malreth | error |
| 21:35.43 | Beladona | remove bar |
| 21:35.53 | Beladona | err |
| 21:35.56 | Beladona | foo I mean |
| 21:36.03 | malreth | *nod nod* |
| 21:36.09 | Beladona | bar = function() ...... end |
| 21:36.21 | MentalPower | technically speaking all functions in Lua are anonymous |
| 21:36.32 | Beladona | syntatically the same as saying function bar() .... end |
| 21:37.10 | malreth | in otherwords... "name = function () ... end" OR "function name () ... end" but *never* both |
| 21:37.11 | MentalPower | lua> foobar = string.match return foobar("abcdefg", "(cd)") |
| 21:37.11 | lua_bot | MentalPower: cd |
| 21:37.37 | Dreagar | ok, answered my question and another i didn't know i had. :D |
| 21:38.23 | malreth | both forms create a function and assign it to the identifier "name" |
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| 21:39.14 | Dreagar | k, i think i have the idea now. i'm sure ill get more problems soon. lol |
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| 21:41.56 | frop | Garns? |
| 21:42.11 | frop | on Terenas? |
| 21:45.01 | Dreagar | ~= is not equals operator? |
| 21:45.03 | purl | Dreagar: what are you talking about? |
| 21:45.12 | cog|work | Anyone have a recommendation for a fairly bare bones server system to replace my dead laptop? I just need it for minimal file storage and occasional SVN... I'm thinking somewhere in the $300 range |
| 21:45.15 | Cairenn | Dreagar: correct |
| 21:45.44 | Dreagar | tx |
| 21:45.45 | Dreagar | nx |
| 21:45.48 | Dreagar | bah |
| 21:45.54 | Cairenn | heh |
| 21:46.51 | Josh_Borke | Cairenn in with the lua answers :-D |
| 21:47.06 | Cairenn | eep, my cover is blown! |
| 21:48.43 | malreth | *dignity* woman! |
| 21:49.43 | malreth | grr.... someone is stealing mice from my computer labs... |
| 21:50.10 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:50.57 | Beladona | syntax error: line 1; expectes <airhead>Wow, did I guess right? cool!</airhead> |
| 21:51.05 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 21:51.06 | Beladona | sorry couldn't resist |
| 21:54.47 | malreth | spelling error: line 1; "expects" expected but got "expectes" instead |
| 21:55.17 | malreth | ... ... |
| 21:56.15 | malreth | oh... where's cog|work when you need him? |
| 21:56.39 | malreth | go away... i don't need you |
| 21:57.08 | malreth | but i *want* you... /pine |
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| 21:57.33 | b-morgan | Hello |
| 21:58.21 | malreth | Hi! Hello. So nice to see you. Won't you come in? |
| 21:59.07 | b-morgan | I've got an addon programming question. Is this a good place to get some help? |
| 21:59.39 | malreth | I wouldn't know... I just restock the supply closet. Have you been stealing pens again? |
| 22:00.34 | malreth | ask away, b-morgan |
| 22:00.51 | foxlit | "malreth recieves loot [Roasted owlbear] |
| 22:02.09 | b-morgan | I'm the current author of an addon called PvPLog. It keeps track of your PvP activity and can announce to a selectable channel when you've been killed or have killed another player. |
| 22:03.15 | malreth | yes... i know all about your addon, b-morgan. go on. |
| 22:03.56 | b-morgan | If I configure a named channel to announce on, the addon will JoinChannelByName before it does SendChatMessage(message, "CHANNEL", nil, number) |
| 22:04.45 | b-morgan | Recently, this code has stopped working. If I "/join channel" manually, it works. If the addon does the JoinChannelByName, it doesn't work. |
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| 22:05.20 | b-morgan | JoinChannelByName(channel, nil, DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:GetID()); is the call |
| 22:05.28 | malreth | Have you tested your addon with all other addons disabled? |
| 22:05.42 | b-morgan | If I do a /chatlist, it shows I've joined the channel. |
| 22:06.11 | b-morgan | I believe I have, but probably should do it again with the current code. |
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| 22:06.43 | foxlit | Hm |
| 22:06.52 | foxlit | You're slightly off on both counts |
| 22:06.57 | foxlit | Nothing changed in how your code is executed |
| 22:07.23 | foxlit | It's just that JoinChannelByName by default doesn't set the channel to display in any chat frames |
| 22:08.09 | foxlit | so you're in that channel, but you don't see any messages for it |
| 22:08.24 | malreth | ah... |
| 22:08.53 | malreth | so calling the function that makes a channel visible should do it, you think? |
| 22:09.08 | foxlit | Yep |
| 22:09.20 | b-morgan | I just tested with only my addon enabled... symptoms are identical. |
| 22:09.59 | b-morgan | What is the function to make it visible? |
| 22:10.10 | malreth | currently looking it up |
| 22:10.18 | b-morgan | Thanks! |
| 22:10.34 | foxlit | malreth: looking in FrameXML? |
| 22:10.43 | malreth | yah... |
| 22:10.52 | foxlit | good :) |
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| 22:12.41 | foxlit | eanwhile, b-morgan |
| 22:12.52 | foxlit | Right click on your chat tab ("General" and so on text) |
| 22:12.54 | malreth | hmm... JoinPermanentChannel... |
| 22:13.00 | malreth | still looking |
| 22:13.10 | foxlit | Select Channels under Filters, and see if the channel you're joining is checked |
| 22:14.43 | b-morgan | Now we are getting somewhere! If the addon joins, its not checked. If I "/join" manually, it is checked. Checking the channel causes the messages to appear. |
| 22:15.21 | malreth | ChatFrame_AddMessageGroup(chatFrame, group) |
| 22:15.31 | foxlit | standard behavior since day 1 :) |
| 22:16.23 | b-morgan | So JoinChannelByName(channel, nil, DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:GetID()); isn't enough? |
| 22:17.07 | malreth | i'm really curious about the JoinPermanentChannel() and JoinTemporaryChannel() functions |
| 22:17.26 | malreth | but they're not defined on the wiki and i haven't found them in the framexml yet |
| 22:17.39 | malreth | but JoinPermanentChannel() is what the /join command uses |
| 22:17.58 | foxlit | but, but, odd |
| 22:18.08 | malreth | local zoneChannel, channelName = JoinPermanentChannel(name, password, DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:GetID(), 1); |
| 22:18.13 | foxlit | Think channels joined by JoinChannel persist anyway |
| 22:18.32 | malreth | it's right there in the /join handler |
| 22:19.09 | Josh_Borke | list of casted spells that affect your entire party, go! |
| 22:19.14 | b-morgan | I wonder what that 4th parameter is... |
| 22:19.28 | malreth | b-morgan: it's 1 |
| 22:19.29 | malreth | :D |
| 22:20.31 | Dreagar | how do ya'll feel about Linked Lists? useful for WowUI Prposes? |
| 22:23.06 | malreth | found it... AddChatWindowChannel(chatFrameIndex, "channel") |
| 22:23.16 | Dreagar | i'd say... useless... but a good way to help master talbes in Lua. ;D |
| 22:23.59 | foxlit | tables = best array type ever |
| 22:24.04 | malreth | Dreagar: tables themselves can be used as linked lists |
| 22:24.16 | malreth | since they can be expanded and contracted at will |
| 22:24.46 | Dreagar | yup. which is why the linked lists would be kinda useless. |
| 22:25.15 | b-morgan | Where do I get the chatFrameIndex? I'll assume the "channel" is the name, not the "number". |
| 22:25.30 | malreth | lua tables can be used as lists, hashes, trees, sets, graphs... |
| 22:25.43 | malreth | b-morgan: DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:GetID() |
| 22:26.23 | malreth | the number that GetID() returns is the chatFrameIndex |
| 22:26.46 | malreth | or you can use http://www.wowwiki.com/API_ChatFrame_AddChannel |
| 22:28.08 | malreth | actually... yeah... use ChatFrame_AddChannel() |
| 22:28.50 | Rayne | did they disable /console pitchlimit again? |
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| 22:29.08 | malreth | ChatFrame_AddChannel() calls AddChatWindowChannel() and does some other crap with the chat window |
| 22:29.22 | malreth | probably not necessary crap, for your purposes, tho |
| 22:30.14 | malreth | well, whatever you decide to do... it seems either should work for you |
| 22:30.52 | b-morgan | AddChatWindowChannel doesn't do it... I'm trying the ChatFrame_AddChannel now... |
| 22:31.06 | malreth | hrmm... |
| 22:31.55 | malreth | !api AddChatWindowChannel |
| 22:31.56 | ThraeBot | malreth: Could not find a relevant page. Perhaps you could be so kind as to create one? http://www.wowwiki.com/API_AddChatWindowChannel |
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| 22:34.55 | malreth | gotta head home... bbl |
| 22:35.33 | b-morgan | Oh so close! ChatFrame_AddChannel prints a message that I'm joining the channel but the message I'm trying to send doesn't make it... If I send the message again, it works. |
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| 23:03.39 | Dreagar | i haven't gotten to chapter 16 yet, but i'm havin a lil issue. earlier. we said o.foo is anotehr way to to say foo[o] |
| 23:03.51 | Josh_Borke | no |
| 23:03.54 | Josh_Borke | that's backwards |
| 23:04.00 | Josh_Borke | foo.o is another way of saying foo[o] |
| 23:04.04 | Josh_Borke | erm |
| 23:04.09 | Josh_Borke | foo.o == foo["o"] |
| 23:04.12 | Dreagar | yes. correct. |
| 23:04.37 | Josh_Borke | o.foo ~= foo[o] |
| 23:04.41 | Dreagar | but now i'm seeing it used with functions and i'm confused. o:foo(x) is the same as o.foo(o,x) |
| 23:04.50 | foxlit | : is not . |
| 23:04.55 | Josh_Borke | Dreagar: what foxlit said |
| 23:05.00 | foxlit | : is only used in convention with functions |
| 23:05.08 | Josh_Borke | Dreagar: o:foo(x) is the same thing as o.foo(o, x) |
| 23:05.10 | Josh_Borke | erm |
| 23:05.28 | Josh_Borke | yea |
| 23:05.34 | Josh_Borke | when calling |
| 23:05.34 | Dreagar | does that mean o.foo(o,x) is teh same as o[foo(o,x)] ? |
| 23:05.41 | Josh_Borke | Dreagar: no |
| 23:05.53 | Josh_Borke | Dreagar: o.foo(o, x) == o[foo](o, x) |
| 23:05.58 | foxlit | o["foo"](o, x) |
| 23:05.59 | Josh_Borke | foo is the string entry in the o table |
| 23:06.03 | Josh_Borke | right, thanks foxlit |
| 23:06.10 | Dreagar | so totally different meaning for . when used in conjunction with functions? |
| 23:06.25 | Josh_Borke | no |
| 23:06.33 | Dreagar | ok. so lemme see. |
| 23:06.37 | Dreagar | don't say nothin yet |
| 23:07.05 | Josh_Borke | o.foo == o["foo"], o.foo(o, x) == o["foo"](o, x), o.foo(o, x) is a function call of the "foo" entry in the o table |
| 23:07.06 | Dreagar | o:foo(x) == o.foo(o,x) == o["foo"](o,x) ? |
| 23:07.11 | Josh_Borke | yes |
| 23:07.51 | Dreagar | but what i'm confused about is o is simply a arg going into the foo function. who's to say it's a table? |
| 23:08.24 | Dreagar | and will it become more clear if i read chapter 16 in the pil? |
| 23:08.29 | Dreagar | :D |
| 23:08.39 | kergoth | you can't use : on anything but a table, so how would o be anything else when called that way? |
| 23:08.58 | Dreagar | oh. guess i should keep reading and it may become clearer then. cause i haven't gotten to : yet. |
| 23:08.58 | MentalPower | kergoth: actually you can |
| 23:09.19 | MentalPower | lua> ("foo"):find("o") |
| 23:09.19 | lua_bot | MentalPower: 2, 2, |
| 23:09.38 | MentalPower | tho thats only cause of metatable foo |
| 23:10.04 | Dreagar | ok, i'll keep readin and come back if it don't become clear. :D |
| 23:10.14 | MentalPower | lua> getmetatable"foo".__index == string |
| 23:10.14 | lua_bot | MentalPower: false |
| 23:10.20 | MentalPower | lua> getmetatable"foo".__index |
| 23:10.20 | lua_bot | MentalPower: { ["split"] = function: 0x80702e8, ["match"] = function: 0x806eeb0, ["gmatch"] = function: 0x806edd8, ["upper"] = function: 0x806ef80, ["gsub"] = function: 0x806ee10, ["format"] = function: 0x806ed68, ["lower"] = function: 0x806ee78, ["sub"] = function: 0... (result truncated) |
| 23:10.31 | MentalPower | lua> string |
| 23:10.31 | lua_bot | MentalPower: { ["split"] = function: 0x80702e8, ["match"] = function: 0x806eeb0, ["gmatch"] = function: 0x806edd8, ["upper"] = function: 0x806ef80, ["gsub"] = function: 0x806ee10, ["format"] = function: 0x806ed68, ["lower"] = function: 0x806ee78, ["sub"] = function: 0... (result truncated) |
| 23:10.43 | kergoth | true |
| 23:10.47 | MentalPower | wierd... |
| 23:10.53 | MentalPower | that should be true |
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| 23:12.22 | alestane | art3mis: Did you get those textures okay? |
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| 23:13.08 | foxlit | lua> tostring(getmetatable("foo").__index), tostring(string); |
| 23:13.08 | lua_bot | foxlit: table: 0x806c910, table: 0x809b2a0 |
| 23:13.30 | kergoth | weird |
| 23:14.06 | Josh_Borke | lua> tostring(("foo").split, tostring(string.split)) |
| 23:14.07 | lua_bot | Josh_Borke: function: 0x80702e8, |
| 23:14.18 | Josh_Borke | lua> tostring(("foo").match, tostring(string.split)) |
| 23:14.18 | lua_bot | Josh_Borke: function: 0x806eeb0, |
| 23:14.21 | Josh_Borke | lua> tostring(("foo").match, tostring(string.match)) |
| 23:14.21 | lua_bot | Josh_Borke: function: 0x806eeb0, |
| 23:14.27 | Josh_Borke | lua> tostring(("foo").match, string.match) |
| 23:14.27 | lua_bot | Josh_Borke: function: 0x806eeb0, |
| 23:14.36 | Josh_Borke | apparently i just fail |
| 23:14.54 | kergoth | tostring doesnt take multiple arguments unless you write your own |
| 23:15.27 | foxlit | print tostrings by default, anyway |
| 23:15.33 | foxlit | those bots are non-standard |
| 23:16.22 | Josh_Borke | about to take out the network, wish me luck |
| 23:17.54 | MentalPower | lua> return tostring("foo").split), tostring(string.split) |
| 23:17.54 | lua_bot | MentalPower: sandbox.lua:286: Compilation failed: [string "return tostring("foo").split), tostring(string.split)"]:1: '<eof>' expected near ')' |
| 23:18.01 | MentalPower | lua> return tostring(("foo").split), tostring(string.split) |
| 23:18.02 | lua_bot | MentalPower: function: 0x80702e8, function: 0x80702e8 |
| 23:18.19 | Dreagar | dang what did i start. lol |
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| 23:26.33 | Dreagar | oooo. i just got a new idea for somethin i was doin in my addon. i have a function that sets the default of a table to all false, and makes teh # of entries = the # of entries in a diff table. this function is makeDefaultFalse() so i could simply have it do a for i,v in ipairs(othertable) do return false end and say newtable = {makeDefaultFalse()} right? |
| 23:31.01 | Dreagar | hmm. if you have function foo() return a end and function foo1() return foo() end and call foo1() you get a as a return correct? |
| 23:31.03 | MentalPower | theres another option |
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| 23:33.58 | Dreagar | but if you have function foo() return a end and function foo1 return foo end and call foo1() you get foo as a return? |
| 23:34.11 | MentalPower | lua> someTable = {true, true, 1,7,3,4} setmetatable(someTable, {__index = function() return false end}) return someTable[1], someTable[5], someTable[7], someTable[14], |
| 23:34.11 | lua_bot | MentalPower: sandbox.lua:286: Compilation failed: [string "someTable = {true, true, 1,7,3,4} setmetatable(someTable, {__in..."]:1: unexpected symbol near '<eof>' |
| 23:34.25 | MentalPower | lua> someTable = {true, true, 1,7,3,4} setmetatable(someTable, {__index = function() return false end}) return someTable[1], someTable[5], someTable[7], someTable[14] |
| 23:34.25 | lua_bot | MentalPower: true, 3, false, false |
| 23:34.34 | MentalPower | Dreagar: ^^^^ |
| 23:35.23 | MentalPower | [19:30:49]<Dreagar>hmm. if you have function foo() return a end and function foo1() return foo() end and call foo1() you get a as a return correct? <---Yes |
| 23:35.24 | Dreagar | hmmm metatables. not there quite yet. lol |
| 23:35.55 | MentalPower | [19:33:46]<Dreagar>but if you have function foo() return a end and function foo1 return foo end and call foo1() you get foo as a return? <---Also Yes |
| 23:36.44 | Dreagar | excellent!i AM gettin it. :D |
| 23:38.34 | MentalPower | :) |
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| 23:40.39 | Rayne | eepanels is REALLLY starting to piss me off :/ |
| 23:40.46 | Dreagar | hmm. does pil, or lua manual come in pdf or ebook form i could put on my ipod? :D |
| 23:41.51 | Rayne | Why it will not copy my settings from character to character properly is totally beyond me right now. :/ |
| 23:43.29 | Dreagar | something i've always wondered how to fix... get on this guys. :D how come when u place spells etc on the bar, on my laptop, then login on my desktop, the spells are in the same places? i wanna be able to use two differen tUI's with different setups on different computers, but damn spells on bars are wrong. |
| 23:43.31 | clad|sleep | Dreagar: No, they're just sold in print form |
| 23:43.31 | Dreagar | :( |
| 23:43.36 | clad|sleep | bt its a good investment |
| 23:43.36 | Rayne | everythings copying except it :/ |
| 23:43.41 | Dreagar | ahh right on clad. thanks. :D |
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| 23:43.52 | foxlit | server storage |
| 23:44.12 | Dreagar | bah, that's silly |
| 23:44.14 | foxlit | whereas addon saved variables are stored locally |
| 23:44.17 | foxlit | No, that works |
| 23:44.28 | Dreagar | why waste room on the server for that? prevent some sorta exploit? |
| 23:44.39 | foxlit | No |
| 23:44.49 | foxlit | To stop you from having to reconfigure bars each time you used a new client |
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| 23:45.39 | Dreagar | hmm. wonder how hard it would be to simply store this in a machine specific saved var file. |
| 23:46.09 | foxlit | not very |
| 23:46.15 | foxlit | But if you lose the machine, you lose the data |
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| 23:47.34 | Dreagar | aye, and i suppose the majority of the user base is only on one machine anyways |
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| 23:50.02 | Rayne | omfg are you serious -_- nm i fixed it... |
| 23:51.48 | dylanm | You could use a bar addon that allows you to map to spells and not action slots |
| 23:52.00 | clad|sleep | http://freeverse.com/games/game/?id=7019 |
| 23:52.01 | clad|sleep | win |
| 23:52.06 | clad|sleep | and bedtime |
| 23:53.33 | foxlit | do UIDropDownMenus have natural delimiters? |
| 23:57.31 | Wobwork | oh no =( |
| 23:57.32 | Wobwork | http://www.paulkidby.com/news/index.html |
| 23:57.54 | Wobwork | oh no, Pterry =( |
| 23:59.52 | foxlit | Yay, finished my toy |
