IRC log for #wowi-lounge on 20071213

`00:00.04`	`foxlit`	`screenshots inc soon`
`00:00.46`	`dylanm`	`Later clad`
`00:05.11`	`JoshBorke`	`lua> function t(str) return string.upper(str) end; t={t("fred")}; print(t)`
`00:05.11`	`lua_bot`	`JoshBorke: { "FRED" } (#1)`
`00:05.41`	`foxlit`	`http://www.spirit-dreams.org/box/coords.jpg`
`00:05.56`	`JoshBorke`	`lua> t={"fred"="george"}; tb={t["fred"]}; print(tb)`
`00:05.57`	`lua_bot`	`JoshBorke: sandbox.lua:286: Compilation failed: [string "t={"fred"="george"}; tb={t["fred"]}; print(tb)"]:1: '}' expected near '='`
`00:05.59`	`JoshBorke`	`pos`
`00:06.22`	`foxlit`	`[]`
`00:06.39`	`foxlit`	`Basically, live demos of SetTexCoords transformations`
`00:06.48`	`clad\|sleep`	`foxlit: nice :P`
`00:06.54`	`JoshBorke`	`lua> t=setmetatable({"fred"="george"}, {__call = function(self, key) return key end}); tb={t("fred")}; print(tb)`
`00:06.54`	`lua_bot`	`JoshBorke: sandbox.lua:286: Compilation failed: [string "t=setmetatable({"fred"="george"}, {__call = function(self, key)..."]:1: '}' expected near '='`
`00:06.55`	`foxlit`	`pick an image, drag some pins, and voila, result :P`
`00:07.08`	`JoshBorke`	`lua> t=setmetatable({"fred"="george"}, {__call=function(self, key) return key end}); tb={t("fred")}; print(tb)`
`00:07.08`	`lua_bot`	`JoshBorke: sandbox.lua:286: Compilation failed: [string "t=setmetatable({"fred"="george"}, {__call=function(self, key) r..."]:1: '}' expected near '='`
`00:08.05`	`JoshBorke`	`lua> t=setmetatable({"fred"="george"}, {__call=function(self, key) return self[ke] end}); tb={t("fred")}; print(tb)`
`00:08.05`	`lua_bot`	`JoshBorke: sandbox.lua:286: Compilation failed: [string "t=setmetatable({"fred"="george"}, {__call=function(self, key) r..."]:1: '}' expected near '='`
`00:10.21`	`JoshBorke`	`lua> t=setmetatable({"fred"="george"}, {__call=function(self, key) return key end}); tb={t("fred")="tina"}; print(tb)`
`00:10.21`	`lua_bot`	`JoshBorke: sandbox.lua:286: Compilation failed: [string "t=setmetatable({"fred"="george"}, {__call=function(self, key) r..."]:1: '}' expected near '='`
`00:10.31`	`JoshBorke`	`lua> function t(str) return string.upper(str) end; t={t("fred")="tina"}; print(t)`
`00:10.31`	`lua_bot`	`JoshBorke: sandbox.lua:286: Compilation failed: [string "function t(str) return string.upper(str) end; t={t("fred")="tin..."]:1: '}' expected near '='`
`00:10.56`	`JoshBorke`	`well that kind of sucks...`
`00:12.29`	`JoshBorke`	`lua> function t(str) return string.upper(str) end; t={"tina"=t("fred")}; print(t)`
`00:12.30`	`lua_bot`	`JoshBorke: sandbox.lua:286: Compilation failed: [string "function t(str) return string.upper(str) end; t={"tina"=t("fred..."]:1: '}' expected near '='`
`00:12.57`	`foxlit`	`Okay, Josh, it pains me`
`00:13.00`	`foxlit`	`The syntax is acually`
`00:13.12`	`foxlit`	`t = {["String Key"]="string value"}`
`00:13.25`	`JoshBorke`	`foxlit: i know, i'm not trying to do strings`
`00:13.43`	`JoshBorke`	`my bad variables names make that less obvious`
`00:13.48`	`foxlit`	`({"fred"="george"},`
`00:13.52`	`foxlit`	`That's a string key`
`00:13.57`	`foxlit`	`And that's what's failing to compile`
`00:13.59`	`JoshBorke`	`hrm`
`00:14.03`	`JoshBorke`	`lua> function t(str) return string.upper(str) end; t={tina=t("fred")}; print(t)`
`00:14.03`	`lua_bot`	`JoshBorke: { ["tina"] = "FRED" } (#1)`
`00:14.08`	`JoshBorke`	`i always forget about that...`
`00:14.19`	`JoshBorke`	`lua> function t(str) return string.upper(str) end; t={[t("fred")]="tina"}; print(t)`
`00:14.19`	`lua_bot`	`JoshBorke: { ["FRED"] = "tina" } (#1)`
`00:14.37`	`JoshBorke`	`foxlit: <3 thanks`
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`00:29.06`	`b-morgan`	`What is the proper way to make an API call and then wait for the event that the call will generate before proceeding?`
`00:29.39`	`JoshBorke`	`register for the event`
`00:29.49`	`dylanm`	`Register for the event. Fire the other thing. Use handler. Profit.`
`00:29.50`	`JoshBorke`	`then call the function that generates the event`
`00:30.48`	`b-morgan`	`I guess my question isn't clear enough... I want to execute two API calls one after the other but the second call has to wait until the event from the first call is fired.`
`00:31.03`	`foxlit`	`dylanm: you mistyped ???`
`00:31.31`	`dylanm`	`Huh?`
`00:31.34`	`JoshBorke`	`b-morgan: set a variable`
`00:31.53`	`dylanm`	`Why set a variable? Just have the second call in your event handler.`
`00:32.02`	`foxlit`	`It's a silly joke, don't bother with it if you don't get it :)`
`00:32.20`	`dylanm`	`foxlit: Aw, k. I feel dumb not getting it...`
`00:32.36`	`foxlit`	`Not dumb`
`00:32.51`	`foxlit`	`It's just that typically, comments go. 1. Do something. 2. ??? 3. Profit`
`00:32.58`	`dylanm`	`Ah-ha.`
`00:33.00`	`JoshBorke`	`dylanm: in case he only wants to listen for the event when he calls the function`
`00:33.16`	`foxlit`	`Since you provided stuff that goes before Porift, I feel that you mistyped ???`
`00:33.30`	`dylanm`	`JoshBorke: Gotcha mate.`
`00:34.17`	`b-morgan`	`Its more complicated than that so let me use the actual code sequence... triggered by a PLAYER_DEATH event, I want to call SendChatMessage(message, "CHANNEL", nil, number);.`
`00:34.52`	`JoshBorke`	`ok`
`00:35.02`	`b-morgan`	`But first I have to check number = GetChannelName(channel);`
`00:35.27`	`b-morgan`	`and if that returns 0, I have to call JoinChannelByName(channel, nil, DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:GetID());`
`00:35.37`	`JoshBorke`	`set a variable`
`00:36.19`	`b-morgan`	`I can set a variable but do I just put in a tight loop of while not variable in the code?`
`00:36.26`	`dylanm`	`Heavens no.`
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`00:36.44`	`JoshBorke`	`you set a variable then listen for the event that is triggered when you join a channel`
`00:38.35`	`b-morgan`	`I'm in the PLAYER_DEATH event and normally, I just SendChatMessage and then exit the event handler.`
`00:38.37`	`JoshBorke`	`when PLAYER_DEATH fires and you are not in the channel, set a variable to call the other function when you join a channel`
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`00:39.35`	`JoshBorke`	`if number == 0 then <my frame here>:RegisterEvent(<event that fires when you joina channel>); JoinChannelByName(<arguments>); else SendChatMessage(<arguments>) end`
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`00:40.20`	`b-morgan`	`OK, I was hoping it wouldn't get that complicated but I guess it has to be that way.`
`00:40.33`	`JoshBorke`	`<my frame here>-<my event handler>: if event == <event that fires when you join a channel then> local number = GetChannelName(channel); if number ~= 0 then SendChatMessage(<arguments>) <my frame here>:UnregisterEvent(<previous event>) end`
`00:40.40`	`JoshBorke`	`it's waiting for the event to fire`
`00:41.33`	`b-morgan`	`So from my perspective, its Send the message now or queue it to send later.`
`00:41.54`	`JoshBorke`	`yes`
`00:42.20`	`Taeri`	`Haha, I just looked at the forumthread in the topic, this made me giggle`
`00:42.23`	`Taeri`	`"On your left you can see Noobs, Trolls, Flamers, Retards, and \|Jelly\|. "`
`00:42.25`	`b-morgan`	`Alright... I guess I'll go code that up and see what happens.`
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`00:50.10`	`Arcane_NH`	`keep getting error messages for Chatframe.lua`
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`01:21.02`	`b-morgan`	`Thanks for your help, I got it to work!`
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`02:04.41`	`kd3`	`intermittent net access </3`
`02:05.02`	`Kirkburn`	`Yay`
`02:05.11`	`Kirkburn`	`Looking for Wii numbers, anyone for Wii numbers :)`
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`02:32.09`	`kd3`	`oofh, hortus is getting annoyed. http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3409891339&sid=1`
`02:38.48`	`Dreagar`	`can someone explain lexical scoping of Lua functions? It says "It means that functions can access variables of its enclosing functions" what's that mean?`
`02:39.44`	`haste`	`Dreagar: http://www.wowwiki.com/Lua_Scope :)`
`02:40.03`	`haste`	`that page has several examples`
`02:47.06`	`MentalPower`	`lua> function foobar local upvalue = 1 return function() return upvalue + 2 end end local foo = foobar() return foo()`
`02:47.06`	`lua_bot`	`MentalPower: sandbox.lua:286: Compilation failed: [string "function foobar local upvalue = 1 return function() return upva..."]:1: '(' expected near 'local'`
`02:48.30`	`haste`	`writing code on IRC is always hard :(`
`02:48.38`	`MentalPower`	`lua> function foobar() local upvalue = 1 return function() return upvalue + 2 end end local foo = foobar() return foo()`
`02:48.38`	`lua_bot`	`MentalPower: 3`
`02:48.40`	`MentalPower`	`:)`
`02:48.52`	`MentalPower`	`Dreagar: ^^^^`
`02:49.10`	`MentalPower`	`thats lexical scoping`
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`02:54.13`	`Thunder_Child`	`Cairenn, http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/screwing-with-nature/glow+in+the+dark-cats-could-make-for-a-unique-home-lighting-solution-333252.php`
`02:56.04`	`Thunder_Child`	`http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/gadgets/make-your-world-of-warcraft-character-into-an-action-figurine-333211.php`
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`03:00.32`	`cogwheel`	`Radiokitteh`
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`03:04.38`	`Dreagar`	`so a global variable can be used by any file. any function. anywhere.`
`03:04.59`	`cogwheel`	`yep`
`03:05.30`	`Dreagar`	`oh that makes perfect sense, i been makin use of that anyways. i have a levelguide constants fiel that has tables that my levelguide.lua file uses. right one`
`03:05.37`	`Dreagar`	`s/one/on`
`03:05.45`	`Dreagar`	`that never works for me.lolo`
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`03:27.52`	`Kelfarr`	`I really think I am going to use tapestry's UI`
`03:31.24`	`Thunder_Child`	`~lart cogwheel`
`03:31.24`	`purl`	`blasts cogwheel to oblivion with a kamehameha wave`
`03:31.25`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Dreagar: it's "s/search/replace/" note the syntax has to be exact`
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`03:48.45`	`Dreagar`	`ahh trailing forwardslash check`
`03:49.36`	`alestane`	`cogwheel: I have no problem with :ApplyTemplate() over :SetScript() as it's what I really wanted to do anyway. I thought at the time...rightly or wrongly (possibly both) that the :SetScript() solution would be easier.`
`03:53.42`	`alestane`	`Night all.`
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`03:58.29`	`Rayne`	`this is just proof that you can never be too careful on old farm raids...`
`03:58.34`	`Rayne`	`[High King Maulgar] Arcing Smash [You] 7077(B355)`
`03:58.35`	`Rayne`	`[You] Heroic Strike miss [High King Maulgar]`
`03:58.35`	`Rayne`	`[Bree] Renew regen [You] ~557~`
`03:58.35`	`Rayne`	`[High King Maulgar] Melee [You] 7262(C)`
`04:00.58`	`MentalPower`	`[You] Die?`
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`04:02.16`	`Rayne`	`yep`
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`04:02.46`	`Kelfarr`	`old farm raids? gruuls is old for you`
`04:03.08`	`buu`	`What?`
`04:03.38`	`Kelfarr`	`Rayne: this is just proof that you can never be too careful on old farm raids...`
`04:04.02`	`Rayne`	`We clear him nightly in usually an hour 15`
`04:05.08`	`Rayne`	`just a bad night I guess`
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`04:09.26`	`Gnarfoz`	`Rayne: so... you either are not the tank, or your HP sucks ass? ^^`
`04:09.43`	`Rayne`	`20K buffed, I dont suck`
`04:10.03`	`Gnarfoz`	`how then could you die from 14k damage? oO`
`04:11.17`	`\|Jelly\|`	`Logic might suggest that he had damage prior?`
`04:11.33`	`MentalPower`	`cookie for \|Jelly\| !`
`04:11.42`	`MentalPower`	`~cookie \|Jelly\|`
`04:11.54`	`MentalPower`	`err...`
`04:11.58`	`MentalPower`	`~literal cookie`
`04:11.59`	`purl`	`"cookie" is "<action>gives <who> a cookie"`
`04:12.13`	`MentalPower`	`~cookie Jelly`
`04:12.22`	`Gnarfoz`	`\|Jelly\|: I don't even need to use logic to read that he was being healed. Through logic though I thus conclude that it was then not him, but his healers who sucked ^^`
`04:12.24`	`MentalPower`	`WTH!`
`04:12.31`	`JoshBorke`	`~cookie`
`04:12.54`	`MentalPower`	`ok...`
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`04:16.23`	`MentalPower`	`the cake is a lie`
`04:16.48`	`JoshBorke`	`give feedback please: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14037`
`04:16.50`	`Thunder_Child`	`and purl seems to be having issues`
`04:17.14`	`MentalPower`	`~emulate MentalPower`
`04:17.15`	`purl`	`ACTION is eating pizza with chocolate milk`
`04:17.35`	`MentalPower`	`k, so the custom written factoids are working, except ~cookie`
`04:17.47`	`JoshBorke`	`there are some that are part of infobot`
`04:18.08`	`MentalPower`	`infobot == purl`
`04:18.23`	`Rayne`	`Feedback please: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v442/SinOfDreams/WoWScrnShot_121207_231109.jpg`
`04:18.33`	`Rayne`	`Take note, the bar with demo shout and such autohides`
`04:18.43`	`MentalPower`	`[00:18:20]<infobot>joshborke is currently on #wowi-lounge (4h 34m 43s) #wowace (4h 34m 43s). Has said a total of 36 messages. Is idling for 46s, last said: 'there are some that are part of infobot'.`
`04:18.44`	`JoshBorke`	`Rayne: that's a big belly`
`04:19.37`	`Tem`	`~emulate tem`
`04:19.38`	`purl`	`Dammit, that's it. I'm breaking a new [something]!`
`04:19.46`	`Tem`	`lol`
`04:20.14`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Guillotine: yes I know that you were joking, no worries`
`04:20.32`	`JoshBorke`	`~emulate JoshBorke`
`04:20.32`	`purl`	`ACTION hugs Cairenn`
`04:20.39`	`malreth`	`~emulate malreth`
`04:20.40`	`purl`	`i never thought of myself as narcissistic but you know what? I AM!`
`04:20.52`	`Tem`	`Rayne, I dislike the lack of symetry`
`04:20.54`	`malreth`	`that's all he ever seems to say about me`
`04:22.54`	`Rayne`	`Nothin I can do about it`
`04:24.21`	`\|Jelly\|`	`Rayne: I dislike your face.`
`04:25.01`	`JoshBorke`	`now that i'm sufficiently cold, i'm going to bed`
`04:25.01`	`JoshBorke`	`night all`
`04:25.09`	`Rayne`	`\|Jelly\|: I dislike your throar`
`04:25.16`	`Rayne`	`throat*`
`04:26.21`	`batrick`	`o ya?`
`04:26.53`	`Dreagar`	`Looks great Rayne. when's it available? lol`
`04:27.16`	`Dreagar`	`i like what you did with the Target and TOT.`
`04:27.21`	`Wobwork`	`O.O`
`04:27.22`	`Wobwork`	`http://www.yankodesign.com/index.php/2007/09/28/tanning-benefits-a-tattoo/`
`04:27.26`	`Wobwork`	`this website is addictive`
`04:27.30`	`Dreagar`	`looks much better`
`04:28.16`	`Dreagar`	`did u beat Gruul's by the way? lol. went in there with my guidl for firs time last nite`
`04:28.30`	`Rayne`	`Dreagar: When I figure out why EEPanels is being a tard :/`
`04:29.07`	`Rayne`	`its only giving me problems with 2 panels, I might just delete them and remake em`
`04:30.13`	`Dreagar`	`i think it would look better with out the lil struts connecting the frames. is that what you're tryin to fix?`
`04:31.03`	`Dreagar`	`kinda a waste of useable space there. perhaps have boxes in there you can use to cast spels that will affect only yer target or tot?`
`04:31.06`	`Rayne`	`No, I included those for a reason`
`04:31.16`	`Dreagar`	`just imho`
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`04:31.24`	`Rayne`	`the Targets castbar from quartz sits about the target frame`
`04:31.44`	`Dreagar`	`ahh right on.`
`04:32.04`	`Rayne`	`The players cast bar is currently at the top center of the screen, but ill probably move it about the top action bar`
`04:32.20`	`Dreagar`	`seems logical. :D`
`04:33.55`	`Dreagar`	`NOW Look what you've done!@`
`04:34.04`	`malreth`	`mission accomplished`
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`04:34.15`	`Dreagar`	`don't think it'll shut me up for one minn`
`04:34.18`	`Dreagar`	`lol`
`04:34.54`	`MentalPower`	`oh dear...`
`04:35.33`	`Dreagar`	`lol`
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`04:46.06`	`Dreagar`	`lua> function foo (n) if n > 0 then return foo(n-1) end end foo(10)`
`04:46.10`	`lua_bot`	`Dreagar:`
`04:46.22`	`Dreagar`	`hmm`
`04:46.34`	`MentalPower`	`lua> function foo (n) if n > 0 then return foo(n-1) end end return foo(10)`
`04:46.34`	`lua_bot`	`MentalPower:`
`04:46.50`	`Dreagar`	`tryin to learn tail calls`
`04:46.54`	`Wobwork`	`er`
`04:46.58`	`Wobwork`	`what do you want it to return?`
`04:47.02`	`MentalPower`	`thats not the algo tho`
`04:47.10`	`MentalPower`	`I think thats the fib sequence`
`04:47.10`	`Wobwork`	`you're recursively calling it into oblivion`
`04:47.19`	`MentalPower`	`or the factorial function`
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`04:47.32`	`Wobwork`	`but not giving it an exit check`
`04:47.32`	`MentalPower`	`(trying to do the)`
`04:47.36`	`Dreagar`	`well it shouldn't overload the stack.`
`04:47.40`	`MentalPower`	`correct`
`04:47.47`	`Iriel`	`lua> function foo(n) if n > 0 then return n + foo(n-1) else return 0 end end return foo(10)`
`04:47.49`	`lua_bot`	`Iriel: 55`
`04:47.53`	`MentalPower`	`thanks Iriel`
`04:47.55`	`Wobwork`	`there you go`
`04:48.25`	`Dreagar`	`ahh ok, kinda wrong in pil then.`
`04:48.27`	`Iriel`	`though actually I'm not sure that one's a tailcall`
`04:48.35`	`Iriel`	`it may be better as...`
`04:48.39`	`Dreagar`	`lua> function foo (n) if n > 0 then return foo(n-1) end end foo(1)`
`04:48.41`	`lua_bot`	`Dreagar:`
`04:49.38`	`Dreagar`	`as long as the last call is to a function before the 'end' it's a tail call,and the interpreter wont go back to the origional function at all.`
`04:50.00`	`MentalPower`	`Dreagar: thats not entirely true`
`04:50.14`	`Iriel`	`lua> function foo(n,x) x = n + (x or 0) if n > 0 then return foo(n-1, x) else return x end end foo(10)`
`04:50.14`	`lua_bot`	`Iriel:`
`04:50.18`	`MentalPower`	`for example Iriel's function is not a tailcall`
`04:50.22`	`MentalPower`	`(the old one)`
`04:50.38`	`MentalPower`	`lua> function foo(n) if n > 0 then return n + foo(n-1) else return 0 end end return foo(100)`
`04:50.38`	`lua_bot`	`MentalPower: 5050`
`04:50.40`	`Iriel`	`my new one is also broken.`
`04:50.41`	`MentalPower`	`lua> function foo(n) if n > 0 then return n + foo(n-1) else return 0 end end return foo(1000)`
`04:50.41`	`lua_bot`	`MentalPower: 500500`
`04:50.43`	`MentalPower`	`lua> function foo(n) if n > 0 then return n + foo(n-1) else return 0 end end return foo(10000)`
`04:50.44`	`lua_bot`	`MentalPower: 50005000`
`04:50.46`	`MentalPower`	`lua> function foo(n) if n > 0 then return n + foo(n-1) else return 0 end end return foo(10000000)`
`04:50.46`	`lua_bot`	`MentalPower: sandbox.lua:153: stack overflow`
`04:50.48`	`Dreagar`	`lua> return x[i].foo(x[j] + a*b, i + j)`
`04:50.48`	`lua_bot`	`Dreagar: [string "return x[i].foo(x[j] + a*b, i + j)"]:1: attempt to index global 'x' (a nil value)`
`04:50.50`	`MentalPower`	`there!`
`04:51.21`	`Dreagar`	`that's not a tail call though, because doesn't it have to go back and peek at the else?`
`04:51.38`	`Iriel`	`no, once you hit return SOMEFUNCTION(x) you're into a tailcall`
`04:51.48`	`Iriel`	`it knows once it hits the if which way it's going to go`
`04:52.00`	`MentalPower`	`yeah, but return foo + bar() is not a tailcal`
`04:52.06`	`MentalPower`	`+l`
`04:52.51`	`Iriel`	`right`
`04:52.54`	`Dreagar`	`ahhh, that makes sense. and all that is basicially a great way of avoiding stack overflows.`
`04:53.02`	`MentalPower`	`aye`
`04:53.03`	`Shirik`	`that's not its main purpose`
`04:53.09`	`Shirik`	`tailcalls are extremely efficient`
`04:53.14`	`MentalPower`	`>>> function foo(n,x) x = n + (x or 0) if n > 0 then return foo(n-1, x) else return x end end foo(10)`
`04:53.20`	`MentalPower`	`--> function foo(n,x) x = n + (x or 0) if n > 0 then return foo(n-1, x) else return x end end foo(10)`
`04:53.29`	`MentalPower`	`bah, none of the other bots are here`
`04:53.33`	`MentalPower`	`~lart Cide`
`04:53.33`	`purl`	`does a little 'dpkg -P Cide' action`
`04:53.38`	`MentalPower`	`~lart batrick`
`04:53.39`	`purl`	`gives batrick a good seeing to`
`04:53.49`	`Shirik`	`in the best of cases, a tailcall can result in zero operations on the stack`
`04:54.19`	`Dreagar`	`that is a good thing. and doesn't nessecarily have to happen only with recursion?`
`04:54.27`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Does anyone know of a simple DPS meter? Say for example, click to start it, click to stop it, it divides the damage you did in that period over the time?`
`04:54.31`	`Shirik`	`correct`
`04:54.38`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Really, really simple mod is what I'm looking for`
`04:54.55`	`MentalPower`	`CombatStats?`
`04:55.01`	`MentalPower`	`old Cosmos mod`
`04:55.05`	`MentalPower`	`should still work`
`04:55.19`	`Dreagar`	`as long as it's ending with a call to some function, it should qualify.? (simply speaking)`
`04:55.40`	`MentalPower`	`return someFunction(a,b,c,d,e,f,g)`
`04:55.53`	`MentalPower`	`PiL also gives some good examples of thats not a tailcall`
`04:56.07`	`Dreagar`	`yeah, i'm peekin at the page now. :D`
`04:56.26`	`Dreagar`	`think i got a decent handle on that. tryin to finish up the functions section tonite`
`04:56.45`	`Dreagar`	`WEWT! and i'm spent!`
`04:56.46`	`Dreagar`	`hehe`
`04:56.51`	`Shirik`	`One little problem Lua faces due to its ability to return multiple return values`
`04:56.53`	`Dreagar`	`tommorrow.. iterators!`
`04:56.54`	`Shirik`	`is this:`
`04:57.03`	`Shirik`	`function foo() return; end; function bar() foo() end`
`04:57.08`	`Shirik`	`the foo() in bar is not a tailcall`
`04:57.19`	`Shirik`	`however, function bar() return foo() end -- would produce the same result`
`04:57.25`	`Shirik`	`and /is/ a tailcall`
`04:57.33`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Mmm, CombatStats is overkill.`
`04:57.43`	`malreth`	`Dreagar: i wrote some commented iterator stuff in Ensemble over on wowinterface.com`
`04:58.14`	`Dreagar`	`ok, lemme pick at taht. so foo() returns. then bar() calls foo(), but doesn't RETURN foo()? so it's nto a tailcall?`
`04:58.17`	`batrick`	`batbot is gone till i can diagnose what the script kiddie did`
`04:58.23`	`malreth`	`before you tackle iterators, you should have a good grasp on closures first`
`04:58.42`	`MentalPower`	`batrick: what script kiddie?`
`04:59.05`	`batrick`	`some script kiddie hacked my server, pretty sure through ventrilo`
`04:59.13`	`Shirik`	`ouch`
`04:59.15`	`batrick`	`another great reason why vent is so shitty`
`04:59.31`	`Shirik`	`ventrilo has a ton of flaws`
`04:59.46`	`Wobwork`	`I quite like mumble`
`04:59.46`	`Shirik`	`like not even kidding`
`05:00.02`	`Wobwork`	`it just doesn't have quite the market share to be effective though`
`05:00.05`	`Shirik`	`the server does not sanity-check practically any client packets`
`05:00.09`	`ScytheBlade1`	`That's why I run vent as an isolated user on a centos box with SELinux enforcing.`
`05:00.12`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Mmmmm.`
`05:00.23`	`Shirik`	`SELinux?`
`05:00.48`	`MentalPower`	`~wiki SELinux`
`05:00.54`	`Dreagar`	`OK Mal, so then closures are used to basically (correct me if i'm wrong here) enclose or encapsulate certain data?`
`05:00.55`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Is that a "what is" question or an "are you high" question?`
`05:01.08`	`Shirik`	`what is :P`
`05:01.24`	`ScytheBlade1`	`It's like ACLs on steroids`
`05:01.29`	`batrick`	`having vent run not as root is not a solution`
`05:01.36`	`batrick`	`all they have to do is start a shell and ur fucked`
`05:01.38`	`malreth`	`figure out tailcalls first then closures`
`05:01.53`	`Shirik`	`batrick: I don't know what Ubuntu does`
`05:01.54`	`Dreagar`	`i think i've got a handle on tailcalls.`
`05:02.02`	`Shirik`	`but it has some kind of feature in it that prevents stack smashing`
`05:02.08`	`Dreagar`	`besides, closures are before tailcalls in the pil.lol`
`05:02.14`	`Shirik`	`which is vent's #1 flaw, vulnerability to stack over flows`
`05:02.17`	`malreth`	`ok... all that stuff about functions that you've been learning`
`05:02.23`	`Shirik`	`s/stack/buffer/`
`05:02.31`	`malreth`	`they're not functions... they've all been closures`
`05:02.50`	`Dreagar`	`oh, yeah i understand that. i mean it makes sense.`
`05:03.12`	`Shirik`	`pop quiz guys`
`05:03.19`	`Shirik`	`I'm curious to see how many know the answer`
`05:03.45`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Should we PM you the answer? ;P`
`05:03.51`	`Dreagar`	`i kinda liked the idea of sandboxes, which seems to be a way to redefine functions and disallow access to the origional functions except through your redefined one..`
`05:04.34`	`Shirik`	`Scytheblade1: If you want to :P`
`05:04.36`	`Shirik`	`s = "function foo(n) print(n or "rawr"); end"; loadstring(s); foo(); foo(4); foo(4,3);`
`05:04.39`	`Shirik`	`What does this output?`
`05:04.56`	`batrick`	`nothing`
`05:04.58`	`Dreagar`	`umm. i would say nothing`
`05:04.59`	`batrick`	`it errors`
`05:05.07`	`Shirik`	`ok Dreagar, why does it error :)`
`05:05.14`	`Shirik`	`er`
`05:05.17`	`Shirik`	`why does it print nothing`
`05:05.19`	`batrick`	`unexpected symbol near '"'`
`05:05.22`	`batrick`	`somethin like that`
`05:05.33`	`Shirik`	`oh whoops`
`05:05.34`	`Dreagar`	`"function foo(n) print(n or "rawr"); end" is a string. not a function or variable.`
`05:05.36`	`Shirik`	`that was totally not intentional`
`05:05.45`	`Shirik`	`s = "function foo(n) print(n or \"rawr\"); end"; loadstring(s); foo(); foo(4); foo(4,3);`
`05:05.48`	`Shirik`	`that, what does that output`
`05:05.49`	`batrick`	`:D`
`05:05.59`	`Shirik`	`Dreagar: Nope :)`
`05:06.08`	`Dreagar`	`well since i'm not sure what loadstring does..`
`05:06.10`	`batrick`	`errors still shirik`
`05:06.25`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I'm somewhat sure it's supposed to error`
`05:06.27`	`Shirik`	`Dreagar: It was your questions about closures that brought up this test :)`
`05:06.32`	`Shirik`	`And yes it is supposed to error`
`05:06.51`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Unfortunately for me, I have no lua experience outside of WoW, and haven't used loadstring() what so ever`
`05:06.56`	`Shirik`	`maybe malreth knows why it errors`
`05:07.04`	`batrick`	`doubt it`
`05:07.13`	`Shirik`	`batrick knows too much Lua`
`05:07.17`	`Shirik`	`pointless to ask him`
`05:07.19`	`malreth`	`i doubt it also... i don't use loadstring too much`
`05:07.19`	`ScytheBlade1`	`However the error given from my lua interpreter tells me a bit about it :P`
`05:07.42`	`malreth`	`researching... but without using an interpreter...`
`05:07.52`	`Shirik`	`ok, since everyone else is using an interpreter`
`05:07.56`	`malreth`	`i'm not`
`05:07.57`	`Shirik`	`lua> s = "function foo(n) print(n or \"rawr\"); end"; loadstring(s); foo(); foo(4); foo(4,3);`
`05:07.57`	`lua_bot`	`Shirik: [string "s = "function foo(n) print(n or \"rawr\"); ..."]:1: attempt to call global 'foo' (a nil value)`
`05:08.02`	`Shirik`	`Now why...`
`05:08.08`	`malreth`	`loadstring is supposed to return the function closure itself`
`05:08.13`	`malreth`	`but you're not saving it to a variable?`
`05:08.27`	`batrick`	`don't need to save it`
`05:08.28`	`Shirik`	`what closure does it return?`
`05:08.32`	`batrick`	`assert(loadstring(""))`
`05:08.33`	`malreth`	`you'd need something like foo=loadstring(s)`
`05:08.34`	`Shirik`	`would you rather I did this?`
`05:08.36`	`batrick`	`assert(loadstring(""))()`
`05:08.38`	`batrick`	`^ that`
`05:08.48`	`Shirik`	`lua> s = "_G.foo = function(n) print(n or \"rawr\"); end"; loadstring(s); foo(); foo(4); foo(4,3);`
`05:08.49`	`lua_bot`	`Shirik: [string "s = "_G.foo = function(n) print(n or \"rawr..."]:1: attempt to call global 'foo' (a nil value)`
`05:08.54`	`Shirik`	`same problem, as you can see`
`05:09.27`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Oh, ha`
`05:09.31`	`ScytheBlade1`	`The PIL gives it away`
`05:09.37`	`ScytheBlade1`	`To that end, that's all I'm saying ;P`
`05:09.47`	`Shirik`	`The answer, as batrick has already pointed out, is that loadstring() returns a closure. It does not execute the given code.`
`05:09.59`	`MentalPower`	`lua> s = "_G.foo = function(n) print(n or \"rawr\"); end"; loadstring(s)(); foo(); foo(4); foo(4,3);`
`05:10.00`	`lua_bot`	`MentalPower: [string "s = "_G.foo = function(n) print(n or \"rawr..."]:1: attempt to call global 'foo' (a nil value)`
`05:10.07`	`malreth`	`isn't that what i said, Shirik?`
`05:11.09`	`Shirik`	`nope`
`05:11.10`	`Shirik`	`You implied that foo() is what it is returning`
`05:11.10`	`Shirik`	`which it does not`
`05:11.10`	`Shirik`	`it returns a function which, when executed, creates foo in the global environment`
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`05:11.10`	`Tem`	`"straight women are gay men trapped in a woman's body"`
`05:11.10`	`malreth`	`aaah...`
`05:11.10`	`Shirik`	`MentalPower: Actually I think clad\|sleep's _G is a bit jacked up`
`05:11.10`	`Tem`	`that's a hell of a quote to get out of context`
`05:11.20`	`Dreagar`	`well that makes sense, kinda what i said too, the string isn't code?`
`05:11.28`	`Shirik`	`lua> _G.foo = 4; print(foo or "nil", _G.foo or "nil")`
`05:11.31`	`MentalPower`	`lua> _G.foo = 1 return foo`
`05:11.37`	`malreth`	`loadstring loads and runs a given string`
`05:11.38`	`Shirik`	`=/`
`05:11.41`	`MentalPower`	`oh dear`
`05:11.45`	`Shirik`	`luabot died`
`05:11.48`	`malreth`	`well... if you execute it`
`05:11.48`	`MentalPower`	`lua> foo = 1 return foo`
`05:11.58`	`MentalPower`	`lua> return true`
`05:12.01`	`MentalPower`	`lol`
`05:12.05`	`batrick`	`lol...`
`05:12.11`	`malreth`	`loadstring loads it... but you still have to run it`
`05:12.31`	`Shirik`	`yes`
`05:12.40`	`Dreagar`	`so loadstring(s) s foo(); foo(4)`
`05:12.42`	`Dreagar`	`?`
`05:12.44`	`Shirik`	`and the typically prefered method of doing this is assert(loadstring(...))()`
`05:12.53`	`MentalPower`	`~mourn lua_bot`
`05:12.53`	`purl`	`ACTION lights some candles for lua_bot`
`05:12.55`	`Shirik`	`or, if it needs to be protected`
`05:13.05`	`malreth`	`pcall?`
`05:13.13`	`Wobwork`	`hehe`
`05:13.13`	`Wobwork`	`http://www.usatoday.com/news/offbeat/2007-12-12-clean-underwear_N.htm?csp=34`
`05:13.23`	`Shirik`	`assert(pcall(assert(loadstring(...))))`
`05:13.45`	`malreth`	`too many asserts!@#!@#`
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`05:14.26`	`Shirik`	`but protecting into assert is rather pointless`
`05:14.26`	`malreth`	`see what you did!`
`05:14.26`	`Shirik`	`ok so that's why lua_bot died`
`05:14.26`	`batrick`	`lol`
`05:14.27`	`batrick`	`netsplit!`
`05:14.27`	`batrick`	`lua> return 1`
`05:14.28`	`lua_bot`	`batrick: 1`
`05:14.28`	`malreth`	`asserting a pcall causes netsplits... didn't you learn that in skool?`
`05:14.40`	`Shirik`	`lua> _G.foo = 1; print(foo or "nil", _G.foo or "nil");`
`05:14.40`	`lua_bot`	`Shirik: 1, 1`
`05:14.40`	`Shirik`	`hrm`
`05:14.40`	`Shirik`	`oh well`
`05:14.46`	`batrick`	`Shirik, he makes a new global env every time`
`05:14.51`	`batrick`	`lua> foo = 5`
`05:14.51`	`lua_bot`	`batrick:`
`05:14.55`	`batrick`	`lua> print(foo)`
`05:14.55`	`lua_bot`	`batrick: function: 0x80d9648`
`05:14.59`	`batrick`	`whoa`
`05:15.01`	`Shirik`	`?`
`05:15.07`	`batrick`	`lol...`
`05:15.07`	`Shirik`	`lua> foo()`
`05:15.08`	`lua_bot`	`Shirik:`
`05:15.14`	`batrick`	`lua> foo(4)`
`05:15.14`	`ScytheBlade1`	`lua> foo();`
`05:15.14`	`lua_bot`	`batrick:`
`05:15.14`	`Shirik`	`I wonder what that does...`
`05:15.14`	`lua_bot`	`ScytheBlade1:`
`05:15.19`	`batrick`	`what the fuck`
`05:15.24`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Intersting`
`05:15.26`	`ScytheBlade1`	`lua> foo();`
`05:15.26`	`lua_bot`	`ScytheBlade1:`
`05:15.37`	`Shirik`	`lua> string.dump(foo)`
`05:15.38`	`lua_bot`	`Shirik: LuaQ`
`05:15.43`	`Shirik`	`well it's a Lua function`
`05:15.48`	`ScytheBlade1`	`lol`
`05:15.53`	`MentalPower`	`you need to escape it`
`05:15.54`	`Shirik`	`wtf is it ><`
`05:15.56`	`Dreagar`	`ahh ok, so without knowing what loadstring() and assert() is it's not so bad i didn't know the answer. :D`
`05:16.04`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Dreagar: not at all`
`05:16.12`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Dreagar: I had to look up loadstring() myself`
`05:16.21`	`Dreagar`	`where can i look those up at?`
`05:16.23`	`Shirik`	`!api loadstring`
`05:16.28`	`ScytheBlade1`	`~pil`
`05:16.29`	`purl`	`Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1.`
`05:16.29`	`Shirik`	`the refman`
`05:16.32`	`Dreagar`	`i guess where's teh API?`
`05:16.33`	`MentalPower`	`lua>return format("%q", string.dump(foo))`
`05:16.33`	`lua_bot`	`000-000000000_G.foo = function(n) print(n or "rawr"); end000`
`05:16.33`	`lua_bot`	`000000000000`
`05:16.40`	`Shirik`	`the official refman is at lua.org`
`05:16.40`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Err`
`05:16.44`	`MentalPower`	`lua> return format("%q", string.dump(foo))`
`05:16.45`	`lua_bot`	`000-000000000_G.foo = function(n) print(n or "rawr"); end000`
`05:16.45`	`lua_bot`	`000000000000`
`05:16.47`	`Shirik`	`lua.org/manual/5.1`
`05:16.48`	`Shirik`	`ow`
`05:16.58`	`Shirik`	`black text, white background, on black background`
`05:16.59`	`Shirik`	`owwww`
`05:16.59`	`Dreagar`	`hmm. what section ? or is tehre a way to search it?`
`05:17.13`	`Shirik`	`Dreagar: All of the built-in apis are in that manual`
`05:17.14`	`Shirik`	`check the index`
`05:17.17`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Dreagar: I just used google for "loadstring lua" for that`
`05:17.25`	`Dreagar`	`oh. right on. :D`
`05:17.40`	`Shirik`	`the refman is the official documentation`
`05:17.53`	`ScytheBlade1`	`lua> foo = nil;`
`05:17.54`	`lua_bot`	`ScytheBlade1:`
`05:17.55`	`Shirik`	`pil is just a very helpful guide written in a less technical, and more teachable form`
`05:17.58`	`ScytheBlade1`	`lua> foo();`
`05:17.58`	`lua_bot`	`ScytheBlade1:`
`05:18.02`	`malreth`	`i'll warn you... unless you're used to reading programming api documentation it can be a little... obtuse`
`05:18.06`	`Shirik`	`yup`
`05:18.11`	`ScytheBlade1`	`lua> print(foo);`
`05:18.11`	`lua_bot`	`ScytheBlade1: function: 0x80d9648`
`05:18.12`	`Dreagar`	`well i looked but it says the index is not available yet sorry. lol`
`05:18.18`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Still there, same offset`
`05:18.29`	`ScytheBlade1`	`lua> _G.foo = nil;`
`05:18.29`	`lua_bot`	`ScytheBlade1:`
`05:18.33`	`ScytheBlade1`	`foo();`
`05:18.37`	`ScytheBlade1`	`lua> foo();`
`05:18.37`	`lua_bot`	`ScytheBlade1:`
`05:18.40`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Huh.`
`05:18.40`	`malreth`	`http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/`
`05:18.54`	`ScytheBlade1`	`lua> print(foo);`
`05:18.54`	`lua_bot`	`ScytheBlade1: function: 0x80d9648`
`05:18.56`	`Shirik`	`I read API documentations daily so I'm kinda used to it :P`
`05:19.44`	`malreth`	`as far as documentation goes, lua's is actually quite readable`
`05:19.52`	`Shirik`	`I agree`
`05:21.01`	`Shirik`	`Better than...`
`05:21.02`	`Shirik`	`"This may result in the unpending of the task waiting for the events. If the message queue fails to send events and if it was created using the MSG_Q_EVENTSEND_ERR_NOTIFY option, ERROR is returned even though the send operation was successful."`
`05:21.26`	`Dreagar`	`well i'm used to the Java API, so it shouldn't be too bad.`
`05:21.27`	`ScytheBlade1`	`That's pretty much horrible, yeah`
`05:21.37`	`Shirik`	`that's actually decent for the vxWorks api`
`05:21.48`	`Dreagar`	`ok, i'm gonna have to log now. i wanted to get a lil bit of playtime in tonite.`
`05:21.54`	`Shirik`	`and it never has examples`
`05:21.54`	`Shirik`	`never`
`05:21.55`	`Shirik`	`ever`
`05:21.56`	`Dreagar`	`and i play on my desktop. :D`
`05:22.05`	`Dreagar`	`so tommorrow. iterators! be ready! heheh`
`05:22.29`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`iterator? I hardly know her`
`05:23.17`	`Dreagar`	`try her out. :D shes hottt`
`05:23.18`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge Thunder_Child (i=Thunder_@cpe-76-171-184-46.socal.res.rr.com)`
`05:23.22`	`Shirik`	`I especially like the documentation on SemTake() though.`
`05:23.26`	`Dreagar`	`hehe laters folks thanks for the infos. :D`
`05:23.27`	`Shirik`	`it is completely worthless.`
`05:23.36`	`Shirik`	`"This routine performs the take operation on a specified semaphore. Depending on the type of semaphore, the state of the semaphore and the calling task may be affected"`
`05:23.52`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`affected? how?`
`05:23.59`	`Shirik`	`exactly :P`
`05:24.03`	`Shirik`	`Luckily I know how it works`
`05:24.04`	`Shirik`	`but yeha.`
`05:24.17`	`malreth`	`you know... i'm sure the Elemental Plateau was once a nice vacation spot for these elementals... and then it turned into a bloodbath`
`05:24.27`	`Shirik`	`The remainder of the documentation is just standard stuff:`
`05:24.34`	`Shirik`	`A timeout in ticks may be specified. If a task times out, semTake( ) will return ERROR. Timeouts of WAIT_FOREVER (-1) and NO_WAIT (0) indicate to wait indefinitely or not to wait at all.`
`05:24.39`	`Shirik`	`When semTake( ) returns due to timeout, it sets the errno to S_objLib_OBJ_TIMEOUT (defined in objLib.h).`
`05:24.44`	`Shirik`	`The semTake( ) routine is not callable from interrupt service routines.`
`05:24.46`	`Shirik`	`etc.`
`05:25.54`	`Tem`	`Shirik, what are you working on?`
`05:26.03`	`Shirik`	`a UGV`
`05:26.29`	`malreth`	`Universal Grabbing Vulva?`
`05:26.37`	`Shirik`	`unmanned ground vehicle`
`05:26.48`	`malreth`	`i like vulvas better`
`05:26.49`	`kd3`	`darpa challenges woo`
`05:27.09`	`Shirik`	`It has to locate objects, retrieve them based on some sort of priority, and return them to home base`
`05:27.14`	`Shirik`	`it's actually for a competition`
`05:27.28`	`batrick`	`:>`
`05:27.28`	`kd3`	`SMART but for college kids?`
`05:27.30`	`Shirik`	`no human interaction allowed`
`05:27.46`	`Shirik`	`kd3: SMART?`
`05:27.56`	`Shirik`	`Dunno what that is. It's for IEEE.`
`05:29.12`	`batrick`	`IEEE sucks : /`
`05:29.19`	`kd3`	`bah, meant "FIRST".`
`05:29.23`	`kd3`	`http://www.usfirst.org/`
`05:29.28`	`Shirik`	`So far our vehicle is comprised of 4 microcontrollers and a PC/104 system to boss them around. And as of right now I get to be the one whom ensures all the communication between the devices works (yey?)`
`05:29.47`	`Shirik`	`spent all of tonight developing a new bit encoding scheme -_-`
`05:29.55`	`batrick`	`uh y`
`05:30.16`	`Shirik`	`because standard serial didn't cut it for our purposes`
`05:31.19`	`Shirik`	`So I took some hints from ethernet and did some fun stuff. Thank god we have good scopes though.`
`05:31.30`	`Shirik`	`My favorite part of the night was testing the microcontroller by using a pushbutton.`
`05:31.34`	`Shirik`	`1 baud communication ftw. lol`
`05:31.59`	`Shirik`	`Anyway I have to go to sleep`
`05:32.00`	`Shirik`	`night guys`
`05:32.03`	`batrick`	`later`
`05:32.04`	`batrick`	`but`
`05:32.05`	`batrick`	`shirik`
`05:32.09`	`Shirik`	`hm?`
`05:32.12`	`batrick`	`should i read a book or watch a movie?`
`05:32.34`	`Shirik`	`read an API book`
`05:32.39`	`batrick`	`ok no`
`05:32.41`	`malreth`	`masturbate`
`05:32.48`	`batrick`	`hmmm`
`05:32.48`	`Shirik`	`fiction book and movies are wastes of time :P`
`05:32.54`	`batrick`	`~masturbate`
`05:33.00`	`batrick`	`suprised that hasn't been set yet`
`05:33.04`	`kd3`	`huzzah, ep10 of genshiken2 has been subbed`
`05:33.17`	`malreth`	`purl, masturbate is <reply>Sicko.`
`05:33.18`	`purl`	`okay, malreth`
`05:33.20`	`batrick`	`shirik i weep for u`
`05:33.30`	`Shirik`	`let us assume, for just a second, that every person watches, on average, 2 movies a year.`
`05:33.39`	`batrick`	`...`
`05:33.42`	`Shirik`	`Let us further assume the average movie time is 1 hour 30 minutes long.`
`05:33.49`	`batrick`	`~masturbate`
`05:33.49`	`purl`	`Sicko.`
`05:34.01`	`Shirik`	`Let us further assume that everyone lives, on average, for 80 years.`
`05:34.04`	`batrick`	`shirik don't u dare give me human cycles wasted`
`05:34.04`	`haste`	`~penis`
`05:34.05`	`purl`	`hmm... penis is the DESTROYER of worlds`
`05:34.33`	`Shirik`	`Well, that last point is irrelevant as movies have been only around for maybe 50 years, so we'll take that number.`
`05:34.58`	`malreth`	`let us assume that every person masturbates on average 2 times a day for 5 minutes (maybe 4) at a time`
`05:35.13`	`Shirik`	`wikipedia estimates the US population at 300 million`
`05:35.34`	`Shirik`	`lua> (300000000 * 2 * 1.5)/80`
`05:35.34`	`lua_bot`	`Shirik: 11250000`
`05:35.49`	`malreth`	`that's a lot of genetic material being spilled carelessly`
`05:36.07`	`Shirik`	`So, if movies never existed, we would have had 11.25 million more lifetimes to develop new technology and to advance our race.`
`05:36.22`	`malreth`	`getting soaked into tissues... towels... socks...`
`05:36.24`	`kd3`	`we could say the same thing about games and books and art and...`
`05:36.31`	`Shirik`	`we could`
`05:36.33`	`kd3`	`and irc. can't forget irc`
`05:36.52`	`Shirik`	`But the best part comes when you factor in the fact that people will no longer need to actually work for those things`
`05:36.52`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`and sleep`
`05:37.00`	`Shirik`	`so not only do we have the 11.25 million extra lifetimes`
`05:37.12`	`Shirik`	`we have 1 for each person that worked with a movie-associated company`
`05:37.34`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`shirik, go to sleep :P`
`05:37.43`	`Shirik`	`NightHawkTheSane: I hate sleep actually, for this very reason :P`
`05:37.53`	`malreth`	`do you hate Jesus?`
`05:37.54`	`Shirik`	`I find it to be a waste of time`
`05:38.00`	`malreth`	`because Jesus made movies`
`05:38.03`	`Shirik`	`If my body didn't make me, I would probably not sleep`
`05:38.11`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`well see, it's not a waste in that your abilities -will- suffer without it :P`
`05:38.13`	`Shirik`	`malreth: The ten commandments?`
`05:38.29`	`Shirik`	`NightHawkTheSane: Hence the "body making me"`
`05:38.31`	`malreth`	`Battlefield Earth`
`05:38.41`	`malreth`	`he did it to fuck with the scientologists`
`05:39.10`	`malreth`	`right now, he's working on the sequel to Point Break`
`05:39.22`	`batrick`	`i thought u were goin to sleep shirik`
`05:39.28`	`malreth`	`Apparently, the Big Guy like's Swaze`
`05:39.29`	`batrick`	`WASTED HUMAN CYCLES SHAME ON U`
`05:39.29`	`Shirik`	`I was, but I just got my physics grade`
`05:39.32`	`Shirik`	`and I'm trying to figure this out`
`05:39.35`	`Shirik`	`it doesn't make sense`
`05:39.39`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`another L?`
`05:39.40`	`Shirik`	`I had a 78% in my physics course`
`05:39.44`	`malreth`	`s/'//`
`05:39.44`	`Wobwork`	`Is it tending towards zero?`
`05:39.47`	`Shirik`	`I got a 68% on the final`
`05:39.56`	`Shirik`	`and my grade?`
`05:40.00`	`Wobwork`	`A`
`05:40.03`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`it's an L isn't it?`
`05:40.16`	`batrick`	`shirik got an F`
`05:40.30`	`Shirik`	`PS 250 08DB Physics III for Engineers 3.00 3.00 B 9.00 L 08/27-12/13`
`05:40.40`	`batrick`	`AN L`
`05:40.41`	`Wobwork`	`wow`
`05:40.42`	`batrick`	`I KNEW IT`
`05:40.43`	`Wobwork`	`it is an L`
`05:40.47`	`batrick`	`lolol`
`05:40.47`	`Shirik`	`and I thought I was going to get a D...`
`05:40.49`	`Shirik`	`no it's not an L`
`05:40.49`	`Wobwork`	`What's 'L'?`
`05:40.50`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`i told you so.`
`05:40.51`	`Shirik`	`you tools ><`
`05:40.54`	`Wobwork`	`hehe`
`05:40.58`	`malreth`	`L is a secret detective`
`05:40.59`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`:D`
`05:40.59`	`Shirik`	`They just put an "L" next to everything for whatever reason`
`05:41.06`	`batrick`	`physics for engineers`
`05:41.07`	`malreth`	`no one knows his true name or identity`
`05:41.09`	`batrick`	`isn't that kinda lame`
`05:41.13`	`Shirik`	`every single one of my classes has an L next to it`
`05:41.17`	`Shirik`	`including the ones I haven't taken yet`
`05:41.18`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`batrick: it's like math for business majors. :P`
`05:41.28`	`batrick`	`no`
`05:41.33`	`batrick`	`math for business majors is easy`
`05:41.39`	`batrick`	`anything for engineers is extra difficult`
`05:41.40`	`Shirik`	`batrick: The standard physics course is lol.`
`05:41.56`	`batrick`	`that's why pure math majors don't take applied math`
`05:41.59`	`Shirik`	`Physics for engineers is basically "Take everything about physics, ok now use calculus to solve the most difficult forms of the problems"`
`05:42.03`	`batrick`	`because they get skull fucked byw ord problems`
`05:42.08`	`batrick`	`WUT I HAVE TO APPLY IT LOL?`
`05:43.07`	`batrick`	`anyway`
`05:43.12`	`batrick`	`time for coffee`
`05:43.14`	`Shirik`	`business majors can plug things into formulas`
`05:43.14`	`batrick`	`lat3r`
`05:43.15`	`Shirik`	`that's about it`
`05:43.36`	`Shirik`	`yet they get paid a hell of a ton of money`
`05:43.57`	`Shirik`	`If my philosophy on life wasn't "Enjoy your occupation, you'll be doing it for the next 40 years", that's totally where I'd go`
`05:44.11`	`Wobwork`	`Well`
`05:44.15`	`Wobwork`	`There's always modern IT`
`05:44.25`	`Wobwork`	`where your jobspan is measured in 'two years'`
`05:44.29`	`Shirik`	`lol`
`05:44.45`	`malreth`	`hey... i've been working IT for almost 10`
`05:44.53`	`Wobwork`	`in the same place?`
`05:45.01`	`malreth`	`but i've only been taking it seriously for the past 4 years`
`05:45.04`	`malreth`	`:)`
`05:45.16`	`Shirik`	`batrick: You should enjoy this, as you're a CE major`
`05:45.21`	`Shirik`	`next semester`
`05:45.23`	`Shirik`	`CEC 315 01DB Signals & Systems 3.00 ** ***** L 01/09-05/01`
`05:53.29`	`Shirik`	`purl, what time is it?`
`05:53.29`	`purl`	`ACTION time is it to understand recursion, you must first understand recursion`
`05:53.50`	`Shirik`	`... huh?`
`05:53.54`	`Wobwork`	`~literal what`
`05:54.05`	`Shirik`	`~literal what time`
`05:54.05`	`purl`	`ACTION time to understand recursion, you must first understand recursion`
`05:54.17`	`Shirik`	`~literal what jpewajf`
`05:54.17`	`purl`	`ACTION jpewajf to understand recursion, you must first understand recursion`
`05:54.19`	`Wobwork`	`okay, totally nonsensical`
`05:54.21`	`Shirik`	`ok....`
`05:54.29`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`~tune`
`05:54.31`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`er`
`05:54.32`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`~time`
`05:54.33`	`purl`	`You cannot understand nature's perfect time cube! (2007.12.13 5:54:33 GMT)`
`05:54.57`	`Wobwork`	`(4:53:58 PM) purl: ravenbird knew: is HEH`
`05:55.03`	`Wobwork`	`...wtf =P`
`05:55.36`	`Shirik`	`~time`
`05:55.36`	`purl`	`2007.12.13 5:55:36 GMT`
`05:55.45`	`Shirik`	`what was that other comment?`
`05:55.50`	`Shirik`	`~time`
`05:55.51`	`purl`	`time is probably 1 dimensional, or everlasting, an illusion, or 2007.12.13 5:55:51 GMT`
`05:56.04`	`Shirik`	`huh.`
`05:56.07`	`Shirik`	`anyway, night`
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`06:00.45`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge Thezanke (i=Thezanke@74-132-182-250.dhcp.insightbb.com)`
`06:01.08`	`Thezanke`	`What are the odds I can request an addon`
`06:01.13`	`Thezanke`	`or like suggest one`
`06:06.48`	`Kelfarr`	`what do you mean`
`06:07.09`	`Wobwork`	`odds are high you can suggest one`
`06:07.09`	`Thezanke`	`well ever since 2.3 my banker has been....lacking..`
`06:07.18`	`Wobwork`	`whether you get one, is another matter`
`06:07.52`	`Thezanke`	`so i was wonderring if an addon already exists or if someone can make one that will notice when you get ah mail and then start a 60 minute time on the screen`
`06:07.55`	`Thezanke`	`that looks like NECB`
`06:08.19`	`malreth`	`you'd have to visit the mailbox to start the timer`
`06:08.40`	`Thezanke`	`even though the mail icon on the minimap shows you you have mail?`
`06:08.43`	`Thezanke`	`and who its from`
`06:09.26`	`Thezanke`	`like i was thinking that maybe it would say like "Unidentified Sale" until you visit the mailbox and then put the sale in question on the bar`
`06:09.37`	`malreth`	`what does the pop up on the mail icon say when you have new AH mail?`
`06:09.56`	`Thezanke`	`not sure atm`
`06:10.32`	`malreth`	`if it shows up as being from "Auction House" or something like that, then maybe`
`06:10.55`	`Thezanke`	`oh, its says "You have unread mail" unfortunately`
`06:11.19`	`malreth`	`yeah... i figgered`
`06:12.00`	`Thezanke`	`Darn, well it pops up on my chat log "A buyer has been found for you auction of %item"`
`06:12.19`	`malreth`	`ah... even better`
`06:12.54`	`malreth`	`in that case, an addon could register for that event (probably a system chat event) and start a timer then`
`06:13.16`	`malreth`	`don't know of one that does that off the top of my head but it seems straightforward enough for someone else to have done already`
`06:13.27`	`malreth`	`okeh... gotta go`
`06:13.40`	`malreth`	`fiancee making me go to bed...`
`06:14.53`	`Kelfarr`	`Anyone know what chat font this is http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/5496/wowscrnshot121107225329bn2.jpg`
`06:15.33`	`Thezanke`	`clearfont?`
`06:15.45`	`Kelfarr`	`clearfont is an addon...`
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`06:16.01`	`Thezanke`	`That just what it looks like, and i know`
`06:17.48`	`Shirik`	`So I was just seconds away from yelling at someone for necroing a post`
`06:17.52`	`Shirik`	`because it said december 12th on it`
`06:17.57`	`Shirik`	`and I was like "that was like 6 months ago"`
`06:19.02`	`Kelfarr`	`lol`
`06:20.00`	`\|Jelly\|`	`L2Calendar imo`
`06:20.15`	`Kelfarr`	`I really want tapestry's unitframes`
`06:20.21`	`Kelfarr`	`but I couldn't incorperate them into mine`
`06:20.25`	`\|Jelly\|`	`So use them. lol`
`06:20.30`	`Kelfarr`	`into my UI**`
`06:24.14`	`Kelfarr`	`elitist jerks doesn't work`
`06:24.56`	`*** mode/#wowi-lounge [+v Shirik\|zZz] by ChanServ`
`06:25.52`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`Kelfarr, Bongos works better than your face`
`06:26.09`	`\|Jelly\|`	`And Bartender works better than YOUR face.`
`06:26.20`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Whoo`
`06:26.29`	`Kelfarr`	`well bartender3 works better than YOUR MOM`
`06:26.34`	`ScytheBlade1`	`A holidays gnome run sponsored by the #1 alliance guild on my server`
`06:27.00`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`I don't give a damn what you say about your recommendations, but don't lie about shit like that. You have no basis for your argument, and you know it.`
`06:27.12`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Prize: Hyjal/BT attunement + any rot loot that you want, or 1500g + four epic patterns of your choice`
`06:27.19`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`If you want to make a recommendation based on features, etc., go right ahead, but don't go degrading respected authors in public.`
`06:27.19`	`Kelfarr`	`wow`
`06:27.20`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`Thank you for your time.`
`06:27.34`	`Kelfarr`	`i love bongos`
`06:27.45`	`Kelfarr`	`then i switch over`
`06:27.53`	`ScytheBlade1`	`On a server with 30k people, this could be fun`
`06:31.58`	`Thelyna`	`gnome run?`
`06:32.02`	`Kelfarr`	`race`
`06:32.09`	`Kelfarr`	`everyone makes a level 1 gnome`
`06:32.17`	`Kelfarr`	`they have to run to SW or something`
`06:32.31`	`Thelyna`	`ahahah ouch`
`06:32.47`	`Thelyna`	`guess going through IF would be cheating`
`06:32.54`	`Thelyna`	`or maybe I'm excessively sadistic`
`06:33.13`	`batrick`	`Shirik\|zZz, yes good luck`
`06:34.34`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`=P`
`06:37.31`	`ScytheBlade1`	`They have waypoints setup... we'll see just what qualifies as 'cheating'`
`06:37.41`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Thought if you don't hit the checkpoints, you lose, so uh`
`06:37.42`	`Kelfarr`	`where do you have to run to`
`06:37.42`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Yeah`
`06:37.56`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Won't be announced until the morning of`
`06:38.06`	`ScytheBlade1`	`But it very well may be hours of running, who knows`
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`06:50.25`	`Thunder_Child`	`huh...irc runs w/o needing to be reinstalled`
`06:51.48`	`Thunder_Child`	`when i woke up today i had not planned on wiping my OS`
`06:51.59`	`batrick`	`wut`
`06:52.19`	`Thunder_Child`	`i was messing with it and screwed somthing up`
`06:52.27`	`Thunder_Child`	`so i just reinstalled vista`
`06:52.43`	`batrick`	`reinstall a real os friend :P`
`06:53.01`	`Thunder_Child`	`i did`
`06:53.15`	`Thunder_Child`	`i have XP and 'nix on VM`
`06:53.25`	`Thunder_Child`	`and MAC will happen in a few days`
`06:53.35`	`batrick`	`eww`
`06:53.51`	`Thunder_Child`	`hmmm?`
`06:53.57`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`do you mean Mac OS X? cause, it's not an acronym :P`
`06:54.33`	`Thunder_Child`	`i can make one...i did for ACE and LUA`
`06:54.33`	`krka`	`Thunder_Child: Lua is not an acronym. It is a Portuguese word that means moon.`
`06:54.41`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`heehee`
`06:55.52`	`Thunder_Child`	`while i am not up on mac o/s's are they not at 11 now?`
`06:56.18`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`no, 10.5 is the latest`
`06:56.45`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`who knows if they'll ever progress to 11, I think apple likes the OS X moniker too much`
`06:57.12`	`batrick`	`that's kinda annoying`
`06:57.17`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`what is?`
`06:57.20`	`batrick`	`krka`
`06:57.30`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`heh, i find it amusing`
`06:57.40`	`Thunder_Child`	`it only happens every while`
`06:57.41`	`batrick`	`LUA is an acornym`
`06:57.45`	`batrick`	`it means`
`06:57.47`	`Thunder_Child`	`15/30 min or something`
`06:57.48`	`Esamynn`	`~lart batrick`
`06:57.48`	`purl`	`slaps batrick upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh`
`06:57.53`	`batrick`	`Lua's unattractive acronym`
`06:57.59`	`batrick`	`durrr`
`06:58.30`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`these are totally going to make me sick`
`06:59.29`	`\|Jelly\|`	`http://www.explosm.net/comics/921/`
`06:59.31`	`batrick`	`i keep getting larted QQ`
`07:00.35`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`~lart batrick`
`07:00.35`	`purl`	`nukes batrick with a single large nuke`
`07:00.35`	`Thunder_Child`	`NightHawkTheSane, eat enough of them and you wont want to eat them any more for a long time`
`07:00.44`	`Rayne`	`wow, my first WoW Error in months O_o`
`07:00.57`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Thunder_Child: well, I'm not eating -that- many. i mean, i have some measure of moderation ;)`
`07:01.10`	`Thunder_Child`	`silly you`
`07:01.13`	`Rayne`	`Something is broken / needs updating...`
`07:01.25`	`batrick`	`man`
`07:01.30`	`batrick`	`i'm so bored`
`07:01.50`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`although, now it's rough because i'm at the bottom of the bag and have to deal with all the retarded nuts that aren't easy to open`
`07:02.53`	`Thunder_Child`	`i never eat to many of those because i am to lazy to open them`
`07:03.07`	`Thunder_Child`	`the preshelled ones on the other hand are dangerous`
`07:03.23`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`pre-shelled ones are for losers. :P`
`07:03.37`	`Thunder_Child`	`fine, then i will be a lazy looser...works for me`
`07:04.03`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`if you haven't ripped open your pistachio to feast on it's fleshy innards, you don't deserve it.`
`07:04.38`	`Thunder_Child`	`i paid for it, i diserve it`
`07:05.13`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i like the ones with shells`
`07:05.22`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i can control my sodium intake more with those`
`07:06.37`	`batrick`	`wut wut`
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`07:10.49`	`TC-Holding`	`brb, Updates ofc`
`07:12.53`	`art3mis`	`sweet liogin server dropped it seems`
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`08:03.21`	`Guillotine_DC`	`gn all :)`
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`08:10.04`	`Thunder_Child`	`hell hath no fury like reinstalling an OS`
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`08:39.53`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Is there any way to have Cartographer make a map note on your current location, without you having to manually type in the coords?`
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`08:56.35`	`ScytheBlade1`	`ckknight: ping - looking for some cartographer internals information regarding mapnotes`
`08:56.44`	`wereHamster`	`<PROTECTED>`
`08:57.10`	`ckknight`	`ScytheBlade1: pong`
`08:57.12`	`ckknight`	`what about em?`
`08:57.21`	`Thunder_Child`	`wereHamster, why not?`
`08:57.41`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I need to do two things: one, press a macro to make a map note at my current location`
`08:57.57`	`wereHamster`	`eu`
`08:58.05`	`ScytheBlade1`	`And two, set my waypoint to the next one with a predictable title (given notes labeled "1" and "2", go sequentially, etc)`
`08:58.10`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I've got /run Cartographer_Notes:SetNote(Cartographer:GetCurrentEnglishZoneName(), 20, 20, 6, "Testing");`
`08:58.14`	`Thunder_Child`	`ah`
`08:58.15`	`ScytheBlade1`	`But it's not adding a note :(`
`08:58.30`	`wereHamster`	`there's the big water hole between me and the use forums`
`08:58.52`	`ScytheBlade1`	`20,20 should be the coords, and 6 is a valid icon ID`
`08:59.02`	`ScytheBlade1`	`And the last one should just be the string for the label, correct?`
`09:01.12`	`ScytheBlade1`	`(Just focusing on #1 here)`
`09:01.15`	`ScytheBlade1`	`(For now ;))`
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`09:19.03`	`art3mis`	`i do so hate peoplethat misname things in functionality`
`09:19.35`	`art3mis`	`i got thiscisco851 thingy forthe business accountand its preconfigured so taht it is basically a hub and has no cofiguration ability`
`09:19.37`	`batrick`	`don hate`
`09:21.23`	`Tem`	`hmm`
`09:21.32`	`Tem`	`so, my primary arena is 3v3`
`09:21.58`	`Tem`	`at the moment, I have a macro set up so I sheep my focus and I counterspell my focus`
`09:22.17`	`Tem`	`I need to figure out a way to get my sheep macro off of using focus`
`09:22.29`	`Tem`	`but I still need to be able to reapply sheep quickly`
`09:22.47`	`Tem`	`manually targeting isn't going to cut it`
`09:22.56`	`Tem`	`I freak out trying to click people or a unit frame`
`09:23.22`	`Tem`	`since all of my running is done though mouse movement I lose track of the mouse`
`09:23.32`	`Tem`	`(because it's hidden most of the time)`
`09:24.04`	`Tem`	`Thoughts>`
`09:24.05`	`Tem`	`?`
`09:25.46`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Honestly? I just get freaky with my keybindings and twitch.`
`09:26.24`	`Tem`	`yeah, but keybinds for targeting a specific person on the other team?`
`09:26.32`	`Tem`	`tab is out because I need to just hit it once`
`09:26.42`	`Tem`	`I've counterspelled too many pets to rely on tab`
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`09:27.59`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Actually, it being 2:30 AM, I should read what you said before responding`
`09:28.06`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I use focus JUST for Counterspell`
`09:28.13`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Err`
`09:28.15`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Polymorph`
`09:28.25`	`nevcairiel`	`get sleep :P`
`09:28.38`	`Tem`	`the case I'm thinking of is if we're fighting rogue-mage-priest`
`09:28.42`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Casts are plainly visible, and I've not had a problem with clicking and CSing given my keybinding setup`
`09:28.57`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Tried, stomach acid didn't agree with that idea :(`
`09:29.10`	`ScytheBlade1`	`... hehe, I am mage rogue priest`
`09:29.12`	`Tem`	`I want to be sheeping the rogue, counterspelling the priest and beating the hell out of the mage`
`09:29.15`	`Tem`	`me too`
`09:29.36`	`ScytheBlade1`	`What you're asking for is focus2`
`09:29.36`	`Tem`	`the thing that scares me the most on this team is when the other team decides to kill me`
`09:29.40`	`Tem`	`basically, yes`
`09:29.53`	`Tem`	`I just need to figure out a way to work around the fact that I don't have that`
`09:30.29`	`Tem`	`I don't trust myself to click CS`
`09:30.33`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I've honestly just worked around that by "not sucking" and having teammates that are attentive, quick thinkers`
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`09:30.53`	`Tem`	`since all my movement is mouse, I lose track of where it is`
`09:30.56`	`ScytheBlade1`	`You cannot do everything, you need to rely on your teammates for at least something`
`09:30.59`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Yeah, same here`
`09:31.03`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Mouse movement = king`
`09:31.26`	`Tem`	`and I'll never counter a 1.5s cast by clicking`
`09:31.42`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Eh, I'm just a freak with an 80ms latency connection. /shrug`
`09:31.43`	`Tem`	`I'm not fast enough`
`09:31.44`	`nevcairiel`	`if you have played any fps before, you'll use key movement and mouse camera movement :P`
`09:31.59`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Hehe, that's more or less what I do`
`09:32.00`	`Tem`	`nevcairiel, that's what I do`
`09:32.08`	`Tem`	`it just screws me up for clicking`
`09:32.08`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Yeah I doubt that is uncommon here`
`09:32.13`	`Tem`	`because the pointer disappears`
`09:32.17`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Oh`
`09:32.19`	`Tem`	`so when I need to click something, I can't find it`
`09:32.21`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I don't have that problem, heh`
`09:32.29`	`Tem`	`I get all freaked out`
`09:32.35`	`ScytheBlade1`	`But really, from an objective point of view`
`09:33.00`	`ScytheBlade1`	`You're trying to do three things at once to three different people at once, ignoring the fact that you have two others helping you`
`09:33.16`	`Tem`	`true`
`09:33.19`	`ScytheBlade1`	`And while being able to do three things at once would be incredible`
`09:33.24`	`ScytheBlade1`	`It's not really... remotely easily done`
`09:33.34`	`Tem`	`but I see it as a weakness in my playstyle that I can only do 2 of my jobs at once`
`09:33.38`	`Tem`	`(and do them well)`
`09:33.42`	`ScytheBlade1`	`As a mage, I tell the rogue when sheep is about to pop`
`09:33.48`	`ScytheBlade1`	`And he throws a blind out when it does`
`09:33.53`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Letting us keep DPSing the healer`
`09:33.58`	`Tem`	`yeah <3 sheep -> blind`
`09:34.01`	`ScytheBlade1`	`<3`
`09:34.13`	`Tem`	`20 seconds of CC is yummy`
`09:34.26`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I agree that it'd be hot to do that - but what you're looking for is focus2 which can't exist (in combat)`
`09:34.44`	`Tem`	`well, I'm thinking of an addon way around it`
`09:34.50`	`Tem`	`and it's similar to the arena frames things`
`09:34.59`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Yup, there would be a way, but it'd have to update out of combat`
`09:35.04`	`Tem`	`aye`
`09:35.07`	`Tem`	`but that's fine`
`09:35.08`	`ScytheBlade1`	`So I'm doubtful of your ability to rely on it`
`09:35.20`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Well, until you need to change the polymorph target in combat`
`09:35.28`	`Tem`	`but I don't`
`09:35.34`	`ScytheBlade1`	`And it screws you over, because you can't change the macro text attached to the frame ;)`
`09:35.40`	`ScytheBlade1`	`(combatlol)`
`09:35.43`	`Tem`	`I'd have the macro setup for sheeping my target, the macro target OR my focus`
`09:35.49`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Okay, fair enough`
`09:36.08`	`Tem`	`so, theoretically, I've got all three people 1 keybind away from being a cute little ball of fluff`
`09:36.24`	`ScytheBlade1`	`But when the healer is a druid in cat form, that you only see after you enter combat? How could your addon account for that?`
`09:36.40`	`Tem`	`I can't sheep them anyway`
`09:36.48`	`ScytheBlade1`	`No, but you'd be counterspelling them`
`09:36.59`	`Tem`	`we like the kill druids first anyhow`
`09:37.02`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Which if I'm reading this correctly, is the portion of it that you need focus2 for`
`09:37.03`	`Tem`	`s/the/to/`
`09:37.05`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Heh`
`09:37.19`	`Tem`	`though, with druid/hunter/lock, the lock must die`
`09:37.20`	`nevcairiel`	`only a sucky druid gives opportunity to be counterspelled`
`09:37.27`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Well you see my point`
`09:37.37`	`Tem`	`yeah, that's why I see the addon as the last resort`
`09:37.57`	`ScytheBlade1`	`nevcairiel: or the druid in the 1600 bracket that's being DPS'd by two PvE specced and geared DPS classes, with a PvE healer healing them.`
`09:38.13`	`Tem`	`teehee`
`09:38.22`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Most druids fold and blow all of their cooldowns quickly in that bracket under that pressure.. be it a regrowth or a cyclone, I have yet to miss a CS on a druid`
`09:38.42`	`Tem`	`wait wait`
`09:38.47`	`Tem`	`are you RMP in pve specs?`
`09:38.53`	`ScytheBlade1`	`RMP?`
`09:38.58`	`Tem`	`rogue-mage-priest`
`09:39.02`	`nevcairiel`	`1600? thats below my league :P`
`09:39.11`	`Tem`	`nevcairiel, suck it druid`
`09:39.15`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Yeah, for the most part we are`
`09:39.17`	`Tem`	`nerf druids`
`09:39.19`	`ScytheBlade1`	`It's not a real aggressive thing`
`09:39.41`	`ScytheBlade1`	`In fact we've only played 10 games ever, and they were last season at that ;P`
`09:39.48`	`Tem`	`:(`
`09:39.54`	`ScytheBlade1`	`(Then my priest and rogue canceled their accounts. Boo.)`
`09:39.55`	`Tem`	`3v3 is my favorite bracket`
`09:40.01`	`Tem`	`Ah, I feel your pain`
`09:40.09`	`Tem`	`I was pally-mage-rogue for a while`
`09:40.14`	`Tem`	`and the pally and rogue went away`
`09:40.18`	`nevcairiel`	`we created a 3 druid team yesterday, feral oomkin and me as resto.. wonder how that works out =P`
`09:40.43`	`Tem`	`nevcairiel, you will get to 1700 by riding on resto`
`09:40.55`	`Tem`	`and then plateau because the gimic wears off`
`09:41.00`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I'll be completly honest: we walked in to the 1500s and went 9-1 where the first thing we said on vent was "What's the plan?" "Uh, win?"`
`09:41.17`	`Tem`	`yep`
`09:41.19`	`ScytheBlade1`	`While that isn't overly impressive, I like to at least pretent I'm competent enough that doing so would mean something ;P`
`09:41.25`	`ScytheBlade1`	`*pretend`
`09:41.47`	`Tem`	`at the end of the season, the 1500 bracket is either people who /really/ suck or people who just started a team and slaughter the rest`
`09:41.58`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Yup`
`09:42.09`	`Tem`	`right now the lower brackets are brutal`
`09:42.19`	`Tem`	`it's a BUNCH of almost-evenly-matched teams`
`09:42.30`	`Tem`	`so progress is slow unless you're very good`
`09:42.38`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I really want that rogue/priest to come back :(`
`09:42.45`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I talk to them both daily through other means :(`
`09:44.42`	`ScytheBlade1`	`To be honest though, back to your problem`
`09:44.50`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I'm not seeing how an addon would work well enough to be relied on`
`09:45.00`	`Tem`	`I think what I'm going to try is taking sheeping off my focus`
`09:45.13`	`Tem`	`and only sheeping my target`
`09:45.27`	`Tem`	`hrm`
`09:45.28`	`Tem`	`no`
`09:45.30`	`Tem`	`arg`
`09:45.54`	`ScytheBlade1`	`(Though if you're curious: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Doomhammer&n=Sbo - that's the spec that I PvP with, and I have a whopping ~80 resiliance in my 'PvP gear' - all four (five?) pieces of it)`
`09:46.16`	`Tem`	`it's really convenient to sheep something, bolt bolt bolt, resheep without even retargeting, back to bolting`
`09:46.43`	`Tem`	`ouch, no iceblock`
`09:46.47`	`Tem`	`that must be super fun for you ><`
`09:46.57`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I'm actually ususally the last to die, if at all`
`09:46.57`	`Tem`	`though, dragon's breath is a great talent`
`09:47.00`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Yup`
`09:47.08`	`Tem`	`heh, if we see a fire mage, it dies`
`09:47.13`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I pretty much rely on using my cooldowns in the correct time and place`
`09:47.21`	`Tem`	`nod`
`09:47.23`	`ScytheBlade1`	`And then a PvE prist with PvE heals!`
`09:47.32`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Plus escape artist`
`09:47.51`	`Tem`	`http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Garona&n=Temaile is me`
`09:48.44`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Hehe, yeah... I PvP +hit capped against raid bosses.`
`09:48.46`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Few differences.`
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`09:48.58`	`Tem`	`hehe`
`09:49.08`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Plus, check out my main hand weapon`
`09:49.23`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I've been clearing Kara for something like eight or nine months now`
`09:49.29`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Gruul for that period of time minus one month`
`09:49.32`	`ScytheBlade1`	`NO FREAKING UPGRADE`
`09:49.48`	`Tem`	`why the weaksauce mainhaind?`
`09:49.50`	`Tem`	`oh lol`
`09:49.55`	`Tem`	`I need to read what you say`
`09:50.07`	`ScytheBlade1`	`It's fine, it's almost 3:00 AM`
`09:50.32`	`Tem`	`4 here`
`09:50.32`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I speak 'sleep deprived' as well as you do`
`09:50.34`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Oh, and for the record, I don't ever play the 2v2`
`09:50.40`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I think I did all of three games on it... EVER`
`09:50.44`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`5 here :p`
`09:50.46`	`Tem`	`mages are terrible in 2v2`
`09:50.51`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Horrid`
`09:50.53`	`Tem`	`I'm about to give up playing on mine`
`09:50.58`	`Tem`	`we can't win for shit right now`
`09:51.02`	`Tem`	`and it's VERY frustrating`
`09:51.04`	`ScytheBlade1`	`If I can't do something remotely well, I just don't do it at all`
`09:51.23`	`ScytheBlade1`	`And 2v2 is something that I 'cannot do remotely well period'`
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`09:51.43`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Cairenn\|afk: go sleep :P`
`09:51.56`	`bleeter`	`ScytheBlade1: consider yerself lucky you don't have Oceanic ping :P`
`09:52.01`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`nevah! oh, wait, yeah, heading that way now`
`09:52.15`	`ScytheBlade1`	`bleeter: no joke. 80ms in raids, 60ms running around random zones... :)`
`09:52.26`	`Tem`	`I consider my kill in pvp to be inversly related to the number of people fighting`
`09:52.27`	`ScytheBlade1`	`There's a reason I rarely if ever miss counterspells`
`09:52.31`	`Tem`	`s/kill/skill/`
`09:52.54`	`Tem`	`in a battleground, I _don't_ lose 1v1`
`09:53.18`	`bleeter`	`I wonder if Blizz have gathered stats on the success of Arena teams wrt average ping times of active members of said team`
`09:53.30`	`ScytheBlade1`	`And even considering my lack of Ice Block, if I can go 9-1 having never done arena before... pretty sure in 2.3.2 if I could get the other two teammates to resubscribe, I'd be incredibly happy`
`09:53.58`	`Tem`	`2v2 is an extention of that 2v2 cenario`
`09:53.58`	`Tem`	`so I figured I'd do well`
`09:53.58`	`Tem`	`BZZZT`
`09:53.58`	`bleeter`	`personally, I think Blizz should enforce a latency of 300ms on everyone, just to level the field`
`09:53.58`	`ScytheBlade1`	`bleeter: I'd love to see those statistics myself`
`09:54.02`	`Tem`	`bleeter, please no`
`09:54.05`	`ScytheBlade1`	`bleeter: I might kill you`
`09:54.06`	`nevcairiel`	`2v2 arena has officially been marked as being unfair`
`09:54.13`	`Tem`	`nevcairiel, yeah`
`09:54.17`	`Tem`	`thanks to your kind`
`09:54.29`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Those 1.5s casts become 1.2s casts for me, no thanks`
`09:54.34`	`nevcairiel`	`warlocks did a lot for that too :P`
`09:54.35`	`ScytheBlade1`	`And while I admit it is unfair to you`
`09:54.42`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I don't like that idea one bit ;P`
`09:54.59`	`Tem`	`I like my <100ms ping quite nice`
`09:55.14`	`bleeter`	`I've been getting close to 300ms ping with that socat hack`
`09:55.22`	`sioraiocht`	`clad\|sleep: ping`
`09:55.32`	`bleeter`	`I was gunna look at the wine source, try and force the socket option in there.. forgot all about it`
`09:55.47`	`sioraiocht`	`nevcairiel: what class are you?`
`09:55.52`	`nevcairiel`	`druid`
`09:55.58`	`sioraiocht`	`oh yeah, fucking druids`
`09:56.07`	`nevcairiel`	`i played 2v2 with a lock for a while`
`09:56.10`	`nevcairiel`	`we owned :P`
`09:56.36`	`bleeter`	`i've been levelling my druid recently. i'm stunned that in crap lvl 30ish greens, couple lvl 20 blues, I can have 25% crit @ lvl 52 :/`
`09:56.49`	`Tem`	`nevcairiel, did I tell you how one of my 3 wins this week came against druid-lock?`
`09:57.05`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Tem: I'll just say this... work on camera positioning, it's pretty much key to being able to click target for counterspells. I set my camera options to "max distance" and "follow character never" around level 28, so I've had a ton of practice with it. If mis-clicking is your problem, look into camera positioning to alleviate that problem (to an extent)`
`09:57.06`	`Tem`	`(all 3 of my wins this week came against druid-X teams)`
`09:57.18`	`Tem`	`ScytheBlade1, same here`
`09:57.23`	`Tem`	`I'm zoomed out all the way all the time`
`09:57.38`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I'm not actually - that's one of the things that I vary several times a second`
`09:57.53`	`Tem`	`my mousewheel is really uncooperative`
`09:57.58`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I've got the mousewheel zoom and a mousewheel on my keyboard, left hand pinky access`
`09:58.10`	`Tem`	`so changing zoom is problematic`
`09:58.20`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Logitech MX510`
`09:58.26`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Probably the most awesome mouse I've ever had`
`09:58.37`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Two thumb buttons and an awesome mouse wheel`
`09:58.44`	`Tem`	`I have this microsft keyboard and mouse that I'm _really_ used to`
`09:58.54`	`Tem`	`but it has some quirks that I just can't stand`
`09:58.59`	`ScytheBlade1`	`ttp://www.logitech.com/lang/images/0/3456.jpg`
`09:59.09`	`Tem`	`grr`
`09:59.14`	`Tem`	`my irc client doesn't like that link`
`09:59.17`	`Tem`	`add an h please`
`09:59.23`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Counterspell = ctrl + small thumb button, sheep = shift + small mouse button`
`09:59.26`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Ah, sorry`
`09:59.27`	`ScytheBlade1`	`http://www.logitech.com/lang/images/0/3456.jpg`
`09:59.36`	`Tem`	`okay, lol`
`09:59.41`	`Tem`	`I have 2 thumb buttons as well`
`09:59.49`	`Tem`	`counterspell = small thumb button`
`09:59.54`	`Tem`	`alt makes it hit my focus`
`10:00.01`	`Tem`	`(instead of current target)`
`10:00.05`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I literaly have instant access to every spell I'd ever use with a "travel distance" of less than a quarter inch for anything.`
`10:00.46`	`ScytheBlade1`	`My sheep macro isn't a modifier based... it's focus/target liveliness state based, focus taking priority`
`10:00.55`	`Tem`	`okay, I can't get any more done on this`
`10:01.08`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Yeah, I need to sleep myself`
`10:01.11`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Maybe I can now!`
`10:01.12`	`Tem\|AFK`	`gonna get to sleep before the sun comes up`
`10:01.14`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Die stomach acid.`
`10:01.22`	`Tem\|AFK`	`drink milk`
`10:01.27`	`Tem\|AFK`	`+ chocolate syrup`
`10:01.31`	`Tem\|AFK`	`<3`
`10:01.33`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Hate it. The milk, that is.`
`10:01.39`	`Tem\|AFK`	`=/`
`10:01.41`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Never liked milk, almost makes me gag.`
`10:01.51`	`ScytheBlade1`	`It's not lactose intolerant or anything, but... eessh`
`10:01.53`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Anywho, sleep`
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`10:25.56`	`bleeter`	`*Auran`
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`13:33.25`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3414661446&sid=1`
`13:33.29`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`awesome thread.`
`13:33.35`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`Two morons in one :D`
`13:40.51`	`cladhaire`	`lol`
`13:40.52`	`cladhaire`	`awesome`
`13:40.53`	`cladhaire`	`pure win`
`13:42.05`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`what I don't understand`
`13:42.13`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`why is threads like these always posted by low-level undead?`
`13:42.33`	`Josh_Borke`	`undead is short bus for cool`
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`14:43.51`	`malreth`	`AAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!`
`14:44.49`	`malreth`	`AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH!!`
`14:53.15`	`cogwheel`	`Will :Showing a frame whose parent is hidden still trigger OnShow?`
`14:58.57`	`Josh_Borke`	`cogwheel: no`
`14:58.59`	`malreth`	`hmm...`
`14:59.06`	`Josh_Borke`	`cogwheel: at least, that's my gut reaction`
`14:59.13`	`Josh_Borke`	`no wow to confirm`
`14:59.15`	`cogwheel`	`mine too`
`14:59.20`	`cogwheel`	`just confirmed :)`
`14:59.28`	`Josh_Borke`	`it makes sense`
`14:59.36`	`cogwheel`	`Your gut is strong, young Wowdawan`
`14:59.55`	`malreth`	`it is`
`15:01.18`	`Josh_Borke`	`why must you be so abusive?`
`15:01.47`	`malreth`	`because God made me such a fucking motherfucker`
`15:02.02`	`malreth`	`today is the department holiday party... i can't wait!`
`15:02.35`	`malreth`	`they're actually spending money and getting the thing catered and they're going to have some real God damn food`
`15:09.23`	`malreth`	`Cairenn should have Amazon referral links to the PIL and Lua 5.1 manual on wowi`
`15:11.57`	`MoonWolf`	`not a bad idea`
`15:37.06`	`cladhaire`	`we're going to have amazon referral links to PiL, ref man and our book on the book's website`
`15:37.13`	`cladhaire`	`so those using the reference can just buy the book :P`
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`16:11.50`	`ScytheBlade1`	`cladhaire: from what I know of that book, it's be one I might actually buy. Any details?`
`16:12.05`	`cladhaire`	`what do you wanna know about it?`
`16:12.13`	`cladhaire`	`anything in particular?`
`16:12.32`	`malreth`	`does it read itself to me? that's the only way i could buy it since i can't read.`
`16:12.38`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Preview/release date`
`16:13.08`	`cladhaire`	`those details are all on amazon`
`16:13.10`	`cladhaire`	`as one would expect`
`16:13.15`	`cladhaire`	`if you want further details, i can supply them`
`16:13.18`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Or you can send me the raw postscript/pdf/etc if you want.. ;)`
`16:13.19`	`cladhaire`	`~wowprogramming`
`16:13.20`	`purl`	`i heard wowprogramming is World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons, a book written by Cladhaire, Kaelten and Cogwheel. It serves as a technical reference for the WoW API and customization system (Due out Early 2008). http://tinyurl.com/2vtlya`
`16:13.26`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Well let's shoot- heh, for the name.`
`16:13.39`	`cladhaire`	`including the url`
`16:15.16`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Hmm, can't find the preview.`
`16:15.22`	`cladhaire`	`_what_ preview`
`16:15.25`	`cladhaire`	`there's a description`
`16:15.28`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Answers that ;)`
`16:15.29`	`cladhaire`	`and the release date`
`16:15.34`	`cladhaire`	`what do you want from a preview?`
`16:15.39`	`cladhaire`	`it would help if you could clarify`
`16:16.07`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Nuts to the preview. What I'm looking for is a detailed overview of how the FrameXML all works together. From what I'm told, you did that section`
`16:16.27`	`ScytheBlade1`	`(Or I misunderstood cog)`
`16:16.47`	`cladhaire`	`are you talking the actual XML system, or the frame system`
`16:16.50`	`cladhaire`	`either way, they're both covered`
`16:17.05`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Well, both, but specifcally the .xml files you may/may not end up writing`
`16:17.51`	`cladhaire`	`well, the XML system in particular is covered, as is the dynamic creation of frames using CreateFrame().`
`16:18.00`	`cladhaire`	`Some of the different templates are also covered.`
`16:18.09`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Okay, cool. That's probably what I'm looking for then.`
`16:18.35`	`cladhaire`	`the book takes you through learning Lua, learning XML basics, learning how the XML frame system works, including handlers and events.`
`16:18.52`	`cladhaire`	`then it moves into specific topics that you may want to include in your addons, i.e. dropdowns, scrolling frames, etc.`
`16:19.23`	`ScytheBlade1`	`That's pretty much exactly what I'm looking for.`
`16:19.35`	`cladhaire`	`lemme find a blurb from hc01`
`16:19.35`	`cladhaire`	`ch01`
`16:20.22`	`cladhaire`	`http://wow.pastey.net/78941`
`16:20.39`	`Shadowed`	`cladhaire, April 28th? Don't see any other date on it besides that`
`16:20.41`	`Shadowed`	`~pil`
`16:20.41`	`purl`	`Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1.`
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`16:21.02`	`cladhaire`	`Shadowed: then that's the release date :P`
`16:21.31`	`Shadowed`	`Well it's listed as Publisher: Wiley (April 28th 2008) usually Amazon lists it at the top of the page!`
`16:21.38`	`cog\|work`	`Shadowed: the only way i know of any release date is by looking at the amazon page...`
`16:21.43`	`cladhaire`	`yep`
`16:23.23`	`ScytheBlade1`	`This may be exactly what I'm looking for`
`16:23.24`	`cog\|work`	`They don't really involve us much once the chapters are submitted`
`16:23.29`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Or rather, have been looking for`
`16:23.46`	`cladhaire`	`that's why we wrote it`
`16:23.48`	`cladhaire`	`because everyoen has been`
`16:23.57`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Heh`
`16:23.57`	`cladhaire`	`once we have an updated .toc, I'll get it posted on amazon`
`16:23.59`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Power to you`
`16:24.04`	`cladhaire`	`but we just dropped 650 pages in their laps`
`16:24.08`	`cladhaire`	`so they're a bit tied up at the moment.`
`16:24.12`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Heh`
`16:24.30`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I've been sitting in this channel for... no small period of time, and have yet to really pick up XML/frame system`
`16:24.48`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Admittedly I never really tried, but that's because the only documentation was the existing already written XML.`
`16:24.51`	`cladhaire`	`oh, it's really easy`
`16:24.56`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Hopefully, your book will change that ;)`
`16:25.34`	`foxlit`	`gt`
`16:25.36`	`foxlit`	`grr`
`16:25.46`	`foxlit`	`There's too much Dr.Phil on daytime tv`
`16:27.59`	`cladhaire`	`heh`
`16:32.40`	`Lunessa`	`Dr. Phil is a quack`
`16:38.38`	`ScytheBlade1`	`cog\|work: I replied to the new thread pointed at you concerning the number of macros you can have... for you! ;)`
`16:39.01`	`ScytheBlade1`	`That said, I more or less did that to reaffirm what I think I know on the matter, so if I botched anything, feel free to 'be verbose'`
`16:39.24`	`cog\|work`	`why has everybody been addressing posts to me recently? XD`
`16:39.46`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Something about answering questions. /shrug`
`16:39.47`	`ScytheBlade1`	`;)`
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`16:40.54`	`cog\|work`	`Heh... I could probably count the number of threads i've posted to in the last two weeks with just my fingers`
`16:41.19`	`Lunessa`	`You're a celebrity.`
`16:41.44`	`ScytheBlade1`	`lol. There's an image.`
`16:41.48`	`ScytheBlade1`	`A gnome warrior with a bodyguard.`
`16:42.13`	`Lunessa`	`They call them Dwarven Priests.`
`16:44.33`	`cog\|work`	`srsly... I pretty much can't kill a goddamn thing in BGs without someone to heal me...`
`16:44.41`	`foxlit`	`aww!`
`16:44.44`	`cog\|work`	`'cept for n00b huntards :(`
`16:44.59`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I've got a resto druid alt. I heal warriors in AV over pretty much everyone else.`
`16:45.02`	`Lunessa`	`shrug I suck so bad at PvP I just go cap things everyone else is ignoring.`
`16:45.02`	`ScytheBlade1`	`<3`
`16:45.28`	`cladhaire`	`i heal warriors on my shadow priest`
`16:45.30`	`cladhaire`	`with no shame`
`16:45.32`	`cladhaire`	`if there's one in range`
`16:45.33`	`cladhaire`	`he gets heals.`
`16:45.44`	`Cide`	`vampiric embrace, hellz yeah!`
`16:45.47`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Yup. Heal a warrior, he becomes invincible.`
`16:45.47`	`Cide`	`or something.`
`16:45.49`	`Lunessa`	`I mostly play a shaman these days.`
`16:45.57`	`cladhaire`	`no realz heals imo :P`
`16:45.59`	`Beladona`	`Shamans rule the world`
`16:46.52`	`Lunessa`	`1 Shock to Rule the world, and Farsight to Find them, and with Earthbind, bind them!`
`16:47.01`	`Beladona`	`lol`
`16:47.41`	`Beladona`	`you know its been a while since I looked at google analytics for wdn. But looking now its amazing the places I get visits from`
`16:47.43`	`Lunessa`	`Farsight is SO helpful in Old Hillsbrad - I can use it to make all those mobs behind buildings.`
`16:47.56`	`Beladona`	`kinda cool in fact`
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`16:48.34`	`Beladona`	`its gotten visits from 74 countries`
`16:48.47`	`kaiden\|work`	`Shirik\|AFK, i figured you would like this : http://www.joejoe.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=13067`
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`16:53.53`	`cog\|work`	`ScytheBlade1: responded ;)`
`16:54.01`	`cog\|work`	`you hit pretty much everything on the head`
`16:54.19`	`ScytheBlade1`	`cog\|work: yeah, I just read it. I debated asking about that before posting, then figured, 'screw it, it's not like I had karma in the first place'`
`16:54.25`	`ScytheBlade1`	`;)`
`16:55.20`	`ScytheBlade1`	`But good to know I'm not way off base, thanks`
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`17:11.44`	`Intangir`	`whats so great about farsight?`
`17:13.06`	`Kaso`	`it lets you see, like really far!`
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`17:13.44`	`malreth`	`does it let you see into the future?`
`17:14.57`	`Kaso`	`well tecnically you're seeing events before they would be relativistally visible to you so in a way perhaps, but only a fraction of a second`
`17:15.56`	`malreth`	`good answer`
`17:16.55`	`malreth`	`so farsight violates general relativity since there is a transmission of information faster than the speed of light?`
`17:17.05`	`Kaso`	`I think so`
`17:17.28`	`Kaso`	`but i think this falls under "a wizard did it"`
`17:17.43`	`Lunessa`	`SHAMAN`
`17:17.58`	`malreth`	`bbl`
`17:18.25`	`Lunessa`	`Farsight gives you a 50,000 yard range vision spell. Situationally useful, like most "remote sensing" tools. :)`
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`17:20.30`	`Esamynn\|Work`	`50,000 yards, yah, that is either a lie OR the underlying system exaggerates the calculated distance when dealing with places far from your characters current location`
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`17:21.14`	`deltron`	`farsight is great`
`17:21.20`	`Esamynn\|Work`	`yes, it is`
`17:21.32`	`deltron`	`the way you get to 50,000 is you 'jump' it by casting it again and again`
`17:21.41`	`Cide`	`only that doesn't work anymore`
`17:21.50`	`deltron`	`sure it does`
`17:21.52`	`Cide`	`at least it doesn't for mind vision (afaik)`
`17:21.53`	`deltron`	`I use it all the time`
`17:22.10`	`Cide`	`well, it works for mind vision, until you get to the point where the unit is not visible from your character's location`
`17:22.13`	`Kaso`	`what ? They removed it for MV? thats the whole point of rank 2`
`17:22.16`	`Lunessa`	`It works for Farsight.`
`17:22.17`	`Cide`	`which is <50k yards`
`17:22.38`	`Cide`	`Kaso: the whole point of rank 2 is to do it while not in los`
`17:23.00`	`Cide`	`i.e. in warsong gulch mostly :/`
`17:23.13`	`Kaso`	`And how do you target mobs who arent in LOS, by chaining to them from other mobs!`
`17:23.31`	`Cide`	`you can still chain though`
`17:23.35`	`Cide`	`just not out of visibility`
`17:23.38`	`Cide`	`which you could do before`
`17:23.55`	`Kaso`	`still a meganerf imo`
`17:24.19`	`Cide`	`yes`
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`17:32.20`	`zenzelezz`	`"Girls like when you have big aggregate"`
`17:33.00`	`zenzelezz`	`I knew girls were into power, but an aggregate?`
`17:36.07`	`Beladona`	`I want sentry totem in arenas back`
`17:36.11`	`Beladona`	`=(`
`17:36.25`	`Beladona`	`it made shamans useful`
`17:36.27`	`Beladona`	`as scouts`
`17:41.12`	`deltron`	`lol`
`17:41.20`	`deltron`	`waste of an air totem imo`
`17:41.38`	`Cide`	`I have never even seen a sentry totem`
`17:41.41`	`deltron`	`I miss the days when you could drop sentry totem and get stuck in the air`
`17:41.44`	`deltron`	`that was so awesome`
`17:42.23`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`17:42.28`	`Cide`	`haha, 'right click to switch' is such a stupid mechanic`
`17:42.56`	`deltron`	`I never had falling damage when that sentry totem bug was around`
`17:43.29`	`deltron`	`totems need an overhaul imo`
`17:43.41`	`ScytheBlade1`	`My brother who used to play a shaman (ab)used that`
`17:43.58`	`deltron`	`:)`
`17:45.12`	`Beladona`	`sentry totem used to be castable beyond the doors in the arena, to get an early peek at what classes / people were coming out of the other side`
`17:45.17`	`Beladona`	`thats what I was referring to`
`17:45.34`	`deltron`	`ohh`
`17:45.36`	`deltron`	`hax`
`17:45.44`	`Beladona`	`in that scenario, it isn't a waste of a totem, since that early on you likely aren't laying something else anyway`
`17:45.46`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Meh. That's why you extend the combat log range.`
`17:45.46`	`deltron`	`same with that tab distance to 200`
`17:45.49`	`ScytheBlade1`	`<PROTECTED>`
`17:46.09`	`Beladona`	`combat logs will tell you what class is on the other side?`
`17:46.17`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Buffing, it sure will`
`17:46.19`	`deltron`	`if they buff, switch stances, etc`
`17:46.32`	`Beladona`	`sure`
`17:46.42`	`Beladona`	`I still liked my sentry totem`
`17:46.49`	`Beladona`	`early targetting`
`17:46.52`	`Cide`	`how does that even help?`
`17:46.57`	`Cide`	`the gates are still closed at the other side`
`17:48.03`	`Beladona`	`it gives you a few seconds head start`
`17:48.03`	`Beladona`	`or it did`
`17:48.17`	`Beladona`	`which I assume is why they prevented it from working past the doors`
`17:49.58`	`Beladona`	`oh wow, thats been a long time coming: RFID in School Buses`
`17:50.06`	`ScytheBlade1`	`haha`
`17:50.10`	`ScytheBlade1`	`"They're chipping your kids!"`
`17:50.17`	`Beladona`	`meh, not the kids`
`17:50.20`	`Beladona`	`the buses`
`17:50.23`	`Beladona`	`makes sense to me`
`17:50.24`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Boooo`
`17:50.52`	`Beladona`	`imagine a tracking system like UPS where you can tell exactly where each bus is, and if they are late on their route, etc...`
`17:54.10`	`MentalPower`	`RFID is inherently short-range tho`
`17:54.24`	`deltron`	`^`
`17:55.06`	`ScytheBlade1`	`That's why I said the kids, not the bus.`
`17:56.10`	`malreth\|ghost`	`RFID range is limited only by the broadcasting power of the receiver station (and whatever keeps the RFID chip from frying itself)`
`17:56.56`	`ScytheBlade1`	`So as long as we can bathe a 50 mile circle with a large amount of radiation from space - we're good? ;)`
`17:57.06`	`malreth\|ghost`	`well... i guess it depends on your definition of short...`
`17:58.15`	`Beladona`	`well`
`17:58.15`	`malreth\|ghost`	`ScytheBlade1: from that distance, you'd likely need an EM pulse high enough that would probably render the need for RFID moot`
`17:58.15`	`malreth\|ghost`	`:)`
`17:58.29`	`Beladona`	`the story is "AT&T to put RFID qand GPS in school buses" -- so its not just RFID`
`17:58.44`	`Beladona`	`http://www.betanews.com/article/ATT_to_put_RFID_and_GPS_in_schoolbuses/1197499810`
`17:59.03`	`Kaso`	`i wonder is this really RFID or is this media tech generalisation`
`17:59.06`	`ScytheBlade1`	`malreth: I like where you're going with this`
`17:59.41`	`ScytheBlade1`	`RFID, as stated, is pretty much worthless for location tracking past things like checkpoints.`
`17:59.55`	`Beladona`	`so tis for tracking of students on the bus`
`18:00.02`	`Beladona`	`and GPS is for tracking of the bus itself`
`18:00.28`	`malreth`	`the needles for those RFID bugs are pretty big`
`18:00.44`	`malreth`	`but if you chip the kids early it's probably ok`
`18:00.53`	`Beladona`	`this report implies it would be passive RFID via badges and fobs`
`18:00.57`	`Beladona`	`not implanted`
`18:01.02`	`malreth`	`i recommend somewhere near the waist`
`18:01.12`	`malreth`	`like with cats`
`18:01.13`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Boo`
`18:01.25`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Needles + children = great fun!`
`18:01.31`	`Beladona`	`in the groin, with a little LED that beeps when they are getting physical. The best form of birth control`
`18:01.36`	`Beladona`	`0.o`
`18:02.05`	`Beladona`	`like a car alarm "Step away from my child"`
`18:02.21`	`ScytheBlade1`	`lol`
`18:04.35`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I assume this would be to log students getting on/off busses, so that the parents can keep an even closer eye on their children?`
`18:05.17`	`ScytheBlade1`	`In that case, skip school, give it to a friend. Have the friend keep his in his front pocket, and yours in his backpack. Bam.`
`18:05.23`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Two for one pricing.`
`18:05.53`	`Kaso`	`hehe`
`18:06.25`	`Kaso`	`Kids have pen-knifes dont they?`
`18:06.36`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Ugh, that wouldn't end well`
`18:06.37`	`Kaso`	`dig the bastards out`
`18:08.00`	`Lunessa`	`"This may hurt a little... "`
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`18:11.01`	`malreth`	`Do Want: http://www.nandahome.com/products/clocky/index.php`
`18:11.02`	`Dreagar`	`mornin`
`18:11.24`	`Dreagar`	`omg i'd break that`
`18:11.55`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Forget that.`
`18:11.57`	`ScytheBlade1`	`http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/electronic/8c52/`
`18:12.42`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`that so wouldnt work for me. I have the ability to get out of bed, turn off an alarm, and then go back to bed without any problem whatsoever. :P`
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`18:12.53`	`Kaso`	`I have the uncontrollable urge to punch that clock`
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`18:14.01`	`malreth`	`Dreagar: ready for an awesome day of attacking closures?`
`18:20.09`	`zenzelezz`	`ffs, server decided to go haywire again`
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`18:24.10`	`Thunder_Child`	`anyone know a good desktop based system monitoring software?`
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`18:28.31`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`hmmm`
`18:28.43`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`cladhaire bleeter one of you there?`
`18:30.00`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`or anyone else know what timingTestError is for? :X`
`18:30.13`	`Josh_Borke`	`in wow?`
`18:30.36`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`Josh_Borke: the CVar, yes`
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`18:32.07`	`cladhaire`	`sag_ich_nicht: no idea`
`18:32.07`	`\|pez\|`	`I'm randomly confused about how to safe variables inbetween game sessions. I should read about it 0.o`
`18:34.50`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`cladhaire: i'm wondering because the default value is 0, but WoW.exe isn't deleting it from Config.wtf, it normally removes all CVars that are set to the default value from Config.wtf`
`18:35.04`	`cladhaire`	`dunno`
`18:35.22`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`>.>`
`18:35.29`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`WTB better documentation of CVars`
`18:35.38`	`cladhaire`	`they're in C`
`18:35.41`	`malreth`	`pez: http://www.wowwiki.com/HOWTO:_Save_Variables_Between_Game_Sessions`
`18:35.43`	`cladhaire`	`;-)`
`18:36.06`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`WELL DUH`
`18:36.12`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`haha`
`18:36.33`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`server still down :/`
`18:36.37`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`fukkin gul'down`
`18:36.49`	`\|pez\|`	`malreth: already on it. but still kinda confused. Does it automagically save any variable with the name defined in the toc?`
`18:37.11`	`malreth`	`any global variable, ya`
`18:37.23`	`ScytheBlade1`	`\|pez\|: yes, as long as it's a non-local variable. While that may/may not seem obvious to you, that's what tripped me up the first round through.`
`18:37.33`	`\|pez\|`	`this is why it had me confused, since I was thinking it couldn't be as easy as that XD`
`18:37.36`	`malreth`	`saving the variable is the easy part... it's getting the data back out that's hard`
`18:37.44`	`malreth`	`well, hard relatively speaking`
`18:37.58`	`\|pez\|`	`for me, everything addony is hard. XD`
`18:38.13`	`malreth`	`then it will be nigh-impossible for you my candy friend`
`18:38.40`	`\|pez\|`	`nigh-impossible?`
`18:38.50`	`\|pez\|`	`and. crap, I forget to put in a autochanger on my nick`
`18:39.08`	`Dreagar`	`a closure is is a function that accesses local variables from it's enclosing function. right?`
`18:39.20`	`cladhaire`	`a closure is a function, full stop.`
`18:39.28`	`cladhaire`	`every function in Lua is a closure`
`18:39.31`	`malreth`	`cladhaire: i thought it was the other way around`
`18:39.49`	`Taeri`	`I know my way around in php, but I'm guessing it's not the same at all ;P`
`18:39.57`	`cladhaire`	`the WoW community often incorrectly refers to "closures" as anonymous functions meant to variables from the enclosing scope`
`18:40.05`	`cladhaire`	`but they are all closures`
`18:40.25`	`cladhaire`	`a closure is a function plus its environment, and in lua any upvalues it may have`
`18:41.00`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`meh`
`18:41.10`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`i'll watch a movie until the datacenter is back up`
`18:41.12`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`8D`
`18:41.27`	`Taeri`	`glare`
`18:41.54`	`Dreagar`	`that's what i though, so it doesn't matter if it accesses variables from it's enclosing function, just as long as its function()...end`
`18:41.56`	`malreth`	`turn that off, please`
`18:42.04`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`:P`
`18:43.18`	`malreth`	`Dreagar: yes. the key point about closures and what clad said is the "function plus its environment, and in lua any upvalues it may have" part`
`18:43.28`	`Dreagar`	`sorry just tryin to match my understanding of closures to the iterators i'm startin to learn about`
`18:43.39`	`malreth`	`understand closures first`
`18:43.54`	`cladhaire`	`the concept of a lua upvalue is kinda a pita right now`
`18:43.55`	`malreth`	`or else iterators will make you like that guy at the end of the Pi movie`
`18:44.04`	`Dreagar`	`yes i remember u tellin me that last nite, that's why i'm askin about em now. :D`
`18:44.04`	`Josh_Borke`	`<3 lua upvalues`
`18:44.14`	`cog\|work`	`<3 LUA`
`18:44.15`	`krka`	`cog\|work: Lua is not an acronym. It is a Portuguese word that means moon.`
`18:44.16`	`Taeri`	`a lua table is pretty much a array?`
`18:44.26`	`cog\|work`	`<3 krka`
`18:44.27`	`ScytheBlade1`	`lol`
`18:44.29`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Cog just got TOLD`
`18:44.35`	`Josh_Borke`	`Taeri: a lua table is a lua table :-D`
`18:44.54`	`malreth`	`Taeri: a lua table can be used as an array but it's not limited in that aspect`
`18:45.01`	`Lunessa`	`malreth: You actually watched all of Pi? You didn't skip chapters?`
`18:45.15`	`Taeri`	`but it has the same sort of buildup as a array?`
`18:45.17`	`cog\|work`	`ScytheBlade1: Except that in the context he doesn't know whether I was using it as an acronym or just really excited and going all caps ;)`
`18:45.18`	`malreth`	`a lua table can also be used as a hash, a set, a bag, a tree, a graph, a list, a stack, a queue`
`18:45.33`	`malreth`	`Lunessa: yes... i watched the entire thing`
`18:45.47`	`Josh_Borke`	`Taeri: sure`
`18:45.48`	`Lunessa`	`malreth: Your similarity to me is terrifying to behold.`
`18:45.57`	`Dreagar`	`Taeri: www.lua.org/pil see the section on tables. it's very helpful to understanding a table in Lua`
`18:46.03`	`ScytheBlade1`	`cog\|work: pfft, details`
`18:46.07`	`Josh_Borke`	`Lunessa: next thing you know, you'll have your very own parole officer`
`18:46.11`	`malreth`	`Taeri: internally, lua uses a hybrid hash and resizable array for tables or something like that`
`18:46.28`	`Lunessa`	`Josh_Borke: What makes you think I don't?`
`18:46.30`	`Taeri`	`sounds complicated`
`18:46.47`	`Josh_Borke`	`Taeri: it's really not all that complicated at all`
`18:47.03`	`Dreagar`	`ask mal after you've read if u don't understand Taeri, he's helpful too. :D mostly`
`18:47.05`	`malreth`	`you'd have to read Lua's source code to see how tables really work internally... fun if that's your bag but not necessary at all`
`18:47.24`	`Josh_Borke`	`it's really just more confusing`
`18:47.52`	`malreth`	`yeah... again, reference my mention of the guy in that movie Pi`
`18:48.16`	`malreth`	`i'm not really all that helpful... i just talk a whole bunch`
`18:48.31`	`malreth`	`mostly i just make up stuff... but it sounds really convincing`
`18:48.47`	`Thunder_Child`	`~lart malreth`
`18:48.47`	`purl`	`slaps malreth upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh`
`18:48.52`	`Taeri`	`malreth: it does XD`
`18:49.27`	`Dreagar`	`so, an iterator factory must be a closure. and the variables inside of it are accessed by the function inside the iterator that does the work or returning what's needed. Correct?`
`18:49.31`	`kergoth`	`anyone have any advice on tracking down a taint issue?`
`18:49.44`	`Josh_Borke`	`taintlog 1`
`18:50.03`	`Josh_Borke`	`Dreagar: what's an iterator factory?`
`18:50.04`	`Dreagar`	`i'm sorry isn't a taint that spot in between the butthole and ... err..`
`18:50.17`	`Josh_Borke`	`~taint`
`18:50.18`	`purl`	`ACTION calls a few functions and nothing is secure any longer.`
`18:50.21`	`Josh_Borke`	`~tainted`
`18:50.22`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`18:51.48`	`Taeri`	`Mm, Death Note`
`18:51.48`	`malreth`	`i blame Iriel for coming up with the term 'taint' in wow UI coding`
`18:51.48`	`Rayne`	`Taeri: TAKE THE POTATO CHIP...........AND EAT IT!`
`18:51.48`	`Dreagar`	`simply put Josh, it seems to me to be the part that holds the variables, and it also another function which does the work of going thru the list, and returning the elements the iterator is designed to return. /`
`18:51.48`	`Dreagar`	`and is a closure of course.`
`18:51.48`	`Josh_Borke`	`i've never heard of an iterator factory is all`
`18:51.48`	`Thunder_Child`	`sweet, i'm in a death note`
`18:51.48`	`Taeri`	`Rayne: OK!`
`18:51.57`	`Thunder_Child`	`marks*`
`18:52.04`	`Rayne`	`English Dub Deathnote is so terrible`
`18:52.24`	`Taeri`	`Isn't dub always terrible?`
`18:52.26`	`malreth`	`Josh_Borke: a factory function is one that generally returns another function for use by the caller`
`18:52.39`	`Rayne`	`Point taken`
`18:52.50`	`Josh_Borke`	`malreth: thanks. i'm not versed in programming`
`18:52.52`	`Taeri`	`good XD`
`18:53.38`	`Josh_Borke`	`Dreagar: based on the Pil page, I would agree to your statement`
`18:53.42`	`malreth`	`it's not a concept that comes up often, generally. it does in Lua because it treats functions as first class objects`
`18:55.06`	`Dreagar`	`what mal said`
`18:55.08`	`Dreagar`	`:D`
`18:55.10`	`malreth`	`Dreagar: as for your iterator question... it's possible to write an iterator in Lua that doesn't require the use of upvalues to maintain its state`
`18:55.30`	`Josh_Borke`	`malreth: do tell!`
`18:55.51`	`malreth`	`the PIL has examples in the iterator chapter`
`18:56.00`	`malreth`	`they're called stateless iterators`
`18:56.25`	`malreth`	`made possible because of the generic-for construct`
`18:56.31`	`Taeri`	`But, with my new found knowledge of saving variables inbetween game sessions... I can work more on my voluentary guild donater (aka, guildtaxer :o )`
`18:56.57`	`malreth`	`but...`
`18:57.11`	`Josh_Borke`	`oh, but that's just using pairs and ipairs...`
`18:57.15`	`Dreagar`	`havne't gotten that far yet. just started Generic for chapter. :D`
`18:57.50`	`malreth`	`the PIL rewrites pairs and ipairs in Lua as an example... but you can use it anywhere, really`
`18:58.25`	`Fisker-`	`i'm the best obvious troll out there`
`18:58.57`	`malreth`	`YES, you are`
`18:59.13`	`Josh_Borke`	`i guess i should read the generic for first`
`19:00.05`	`MentalPower`	`lua> pairs{}`
`19:00.06`	`lua_bot`	`MentalPower: function: 0x806b9e8, { } (#1), nil,`
`19:00.16`	`MentalPower`	`lua> pairs{} == next`
`19:00.16`	`lua_bot`	`MentalPower: false`
`19:00.26`	`MentalPower`	`lua> next`
`19:00.26`	`lua_bot`	`MentalPower: function: 0x806c0d0`
`19:00.45`	`MentalPower`	`lua>ipairs{}`
`19:00.45`	`lua_bot`	`MentalPower: function: 0x806c370, { } (#1), 0,`
`19:00.56`	`MentalPower`	`oh well`
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`19:03.37`	`Rayne`	`Thoughts? http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v442/SinOfDreams/WoWScrnShot_121307_135142.jpg This is how the new UI looks with a pet frame. And yes im in a two person raid.`
`19:04.48`	`cog\|work`	`~seen cowgra`
`19:05.13`	`purl`	`cowgra <n=Cowgra@c-69-242-237-189.hsd1.ar.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 16d 20h 59m 41s ago, saying: 'i've been trying to figure out the same thing bleeter'.`
`19:05.13`	`malreth`	`very simple iterator and example usage: http://wowi.pastey.net/78947`
`19:05.56`	`malreth`	`the nice thing about iterators is that they make your code readable`
`19:06.04`	`Fisker-`	`stop waching so much CP malreth`
`19:06.28`	`malreth`	`"for person in every(GetGuildRosterInfo) do" almost documents itself`
`19:06.56`	`malreth`	`CP? Children's Palace? Camel Purse?`
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`19:08.51`	`cog\|work`	`malreth: http://wowi.pastey.net/78948`
`19:09.18`	`cog\|work`	`i was going to use that as the code example for GetBattlefieldPortExpiration but the more basic iteration was a bit easier to follow`
`19:10.24`	`malreth`	`i was about to rewrite the every() iterator to be stateless...`
`19:10.26`	`Fisker-`	`malreth child porn`
`19:10.29`	`Fisker-`	`don't you forget`
`19:10.37`	`Fisker-`	`all of us are dirty child porn watchers`
`19:10.41`	`Fisker-`	`:<`
`19:10.44`	`Taeri`	`we are? :o`
`19:10.47`	`Fisker-`	`yeah`
`19:11.16`	`Kaso`	`im confused`
`19:11.59`	`Fisker-`	`still having a great deal of lulz on incgamers accusing us of supporting CP`
`19:12.18`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Wait, what?`
`19:12.20`	`ScytheBlade1`	`LINK`
`19:12.34`	`Fisker-`	`it's owld news`
`19:15.07`	`cog\|work`	`malreth: yeah... stateless is nice for garbage control, and also the index can prove to be useful from time to time :)`
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`19:16.38`	`Dreagar`	`ok, so i'm not sure where to look for this in pil, so i'll ask. when u see _f as a var. what's that mean? i saw it in 7.2 in pil, at the end, and it's a lil confusing`
`19:17.06`	`malreth`	`i think i remember why i didn't write this as a stateless iterator now`
`19:17.41`	`malreth`	`using a more generic form makes it easier to return multiple values from the invariant function`
`19:18.08`	`malreth`	`but whatever... stateless it is for the sake of example`
`19:19.06`	`malreth`	`there's nothing particular about the underscore character`
`19:19.31`	`malreth`	`generally, it's used as a convention to show that the function is "private" or that it's a helper-function`
`19:19.54`	`malreth`	`s/function/variable/`
`19:20.05`	`cog\|work`	`Dreagar: the _ is just a character that's allowed in variable names`
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`19:20.21`	`cog\|work`	`its meaning is whatever you make of it, though there are certain common uses`
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`19:21.04`	`cog\|work`	`as malreth mentioned, putting it as the first character often indicates that the user of some piece of code shouldn't really be referring to that variable directly`
`19:21.13`	`malreth`	`http://wowi.pastey.net/78949 <- stateless iterator example as a followup to my previous example`
`19:21.15`	`cog\|work`	`like in my battlefielditerator pastey`
`19:21.37`	`malreth`	`untested code...`
`19:21.45`	`cog\|work`	`_BattlefieldIterator is the root function but you're "supposed" to use BattlefieldIterator()`
`19:24.58`	`cog\|work`	`http://wowi.pastey.net/78950 <- modification of malreth's (also untested) to allow for multiple returns :)`
`19:25.34`	`Dreagar`	`check. that makes sense. thanks guys`
`19:26.12`	`malreth`	`ugh... yeah. i think that's why i like the generic iterator more.`
`19:26.28`	`malreth`	`i mean, really... what's one closure more or less?`
`19:26.44`	`cog\|work`	`depends on how many different iterations you need to do`
`19:27.00`	`malreth`	`cog\|work: sounds more like a problem with the client code then`
`19:27.02`	`cog\|work`	`I can imagine a data-heavy mod (e.g. auctioneer) could create plenty of garbage`
`19:27.09`	`Dreagar`	`are the costs for creating a new closure why you want to do stateless ones mal?`
`19:27.57`	`cog\|work`	`i don't think mal's the one who does ;)`
`19:27.57`	`cog\|work`	`i'm a bit more of a garbage nazi`
`19:28.07`	`malreth`	`it's still a tiny bit of garbage (really tiny... smaller than a table i believe) and truthfully it depends on your code`
`19:28.16`	`Dreagar`	`stateless ones simply return all elements of the list instead of keepin it in the closure right?`
`19:28.31`	`malreth`	`no...`
`19:28.33`	`cog\|work`	`"and truthfully it depends on your code" <-- QFT`
`19:29.06`	`malreth`	`stateless iterators take advantage of the index variable that the generic-for construct provides for you`
`19:29.21`	`Dreagar`	`ahh okay`
`19:29.38`	`malreth`	`the "for blah in blah blah blah do" keeps track of it for you so you don't have to`
`19:29.47`	`Dreagar`	`it just doesn't seem like there'd be a good reason to do stateless. can i have a IE?`
`19:30.25`	`malreth`	`oh... there are good reasons...`
`19:30.25`	`cog\|work`	`Dreagar: stateless don't make garbage (beyond the function that's called by the iterator)`
`19:30.26`	`cog\|work`	`and oftentimes the index IS relevant`
`19:30.56`	`malreth`	`in Ensemble, the every() function is only called at most like 3 times whenever a group invite happens... it's relatively speaking rare so that's a tiny amount of garbage in the grand scheme of things...`
`19:30.58`	`Dreagar`	`right, but does a regular iterator produce all that huge amount of garbage?`
`19:31.15`	`foxlit`	`No`
`19:31.22`	`foxlit`	`Generally, iterators are harmless :)`
`19:31.24`	`cog\|work`	`it's not a huge amount`
`19:31.27`	`cog\|work`	`ever`
`19:31.28`	`malreth`	`the amount of garbage being generated by a regular iterator is tiny... tiny tiny tiny`
`19:31.34`	`malreth`	`smaller than a single table`
`19:31.47`	`cog\|work`	`depending on how many upvalues you use ;)`
`19:31.50`	`Dreagar`	`doesn't seem to to me. but i can see if yer a cog, than any garbage at all is bad bad bad`
`19:31.50`	`malreth`	`well... yeah`
`19:31.59`	`malreth`	`Dreagar: it's all relative`
`19:32.03`	`cog\|work`	`Dreagar: heh. i'm not as bad as that :P`
`19:32.08`	`Dreagar`	`hehe`
`19:32.11`	`cog\|work`	`i was just being sensationalist ;)`
`19:32.13`	`malreth`	`requoting: in Ensemble, the every() function is only called at most like 3 times whenever a group invite happens... it's relatively speaking rare so that's a tiny amount of garbage in the grand scheme of things...`
`19:32.44`	`malreth`	`in this case, generating a tiny bit of garbage is not a bad thing`
`19:32.47`	`malreth`	`but...`
`19:32.48`	`Dreagar`	`honestly tho, in wowui programming, how often do ya'll run into a situation that pairs or ipairs wont do what u need and you have to create your own iterators?`
`19:32.49`	`cog\|work`	`Dreagar: if you call every() 10,000 times per frame, yeah... it'll cause quite a bit of garbage`
`19:33.08`	`cog\|work`	`Dreagar: you never _need_ to create an iterator`
`19:33.26`	`cog\|work`	`it just makes a lot of code that much more readable and consistent`
`19:33.29`	`malreth`	`it's possible to do what i did in my example without the use of an iterator`
`19:33.37`	`Taeri`	`very quick WoW question, can I autorefuse partyinvites in the WoW options somewhere? I get a instane amount of spam invites when I'm just sitting in a inn and trying to fix my addon. :P`
`19:33.47`	`Dreagar`	`check. it's all a matter of personal opinion? :D`
`19:33.48`	`cog\|work`	`Why rewrite all the same loop structures when you can create it once and use generic for?`
`19:33.53`	`Kaso`	`a quick script can do that Taeri`
`19:33.55`	`cog\|work`	`yep`
`19:34.10`	`Kaso`	`like 1 line of code`
`19:34.11`	`malreth`	`Dreagar: look at my examples and look at the IsFriendOrGuildMate() function`
`19:34.12`	`Dreagar`	`i'm pretty sure there's no option to do that in wow without a script or addon Taeri`
`19:34.30`	`Taeri`	`Alrighty then, thanks.`
`19:34.38`	`malreth`	`it's the use of an iterator that makes it so succinct and clear`
`19:34.44`	`Kaso`	`if you wait 10sec ill tel lyou what it is`
`19:34.51`	`Dreagar`	`in Ensemble mal?`
`19:34.55`	`malreth`	`but i could have written it using a while...do loop`
`19:35.00`	`malreth`	`Dreagar: correct`
`19:35.21`	`Dreagar`	`ok it on wowi? i'll go DL it`
`19:35.24`	`Kaso`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:35.27`	`Kaso`	`that should do it`
`19:35.29`	`malreth`	`dont' need to download it`
`19:35.36`	`malreth`	`http://wowi.pastey.net/78947-r7ar`
`19:35.40`	`malreth`	`necessary parts right there`
`19:35.51`	`malreth`	`complete with comments`
`19:35.57`	`Taeri`	`waha, thanks ^^ and that does it for a whole session?`
`19:36.18`	`Kaso`	`yah but actually when i think about it it might not hide the window`
`19:36.27`	`dylanm`	`It won't.`
`19:36.29`	`Dreagar`	`oooo actual comments that are relevant and helpful! SWEET!`
`19:36.31`	`foxlit`	`Kaso, you could always do away with the anonymous function closure :)`
`19:36.46`	`Kaso`	`i could`
`19:37.04`	`Taeri`	`Ok, so that won't really work? it'll decline, but it'll still show the damned popup?`
`19:37.10`	`foxlit`	`Yes`
`19:37.14`	`Kaso`	`but not if i want do StaticPopup1:Hide() in there too`
`19:37.16`	`foxlit`	`The popup will time out eventually`
`19:37.24`	`foxlit`	`Meh, do one better`
`19:37.26`	`Kaso`	`.OnShow = function() DeclineGroup(); StaticPopup1:Hide(); end`
`19:37.28`	`foxlit`	`And simply set OnShow to hide`
`19:37.36`	`foxlit`	`not declining = good :)`
`19:37.47`	`malreth`	`agreed... don't decline... just hide the popup`
`19:37.54`	`Kaso`	`i guess that is true, but it feels like bad practice`
`19:37.57`	`malreth`	`if you decline, they'll be able to spam faster`
`19:38.07`	`Taeri`	`Aaaha`
`19:38.09`	`malreth`	`letting it timeout hangs them up for 30 sec`
`19:38.10`	`Taeri`	`good thinking`
`19:38.39`	`malreth`	`i always do that for spammed group, guild, and duel invites`
`19:38.47`	`foxlit`	`staticpopups could do with some better internal management`
`19:38.56`	`Dreagar`	`Taeri: they do that around here. don't hang out too long or you'll start doin it too. it's contagious.`
`19:39.04`	`foxlit`	`The methods to retrieve input and clear it for future use are just... bad.`
`19:39.31`	`Taeri`	`Dreagar: it depends on if I actually accept the invite or not, doesn't it? :P`
`19:39.56`	`Dreagar`	`Taeri: SEE!!! Good thinking! lol`
`19:40.04`	`Dreagar`	`already contaminated u are yes.`
`19:40.10`	`Taeri`	`>__>`
`19:40.36`	`malreth`	`i contaminate people's thoughts in clever ways`
`19:40.57`	`Taeri`	`Ooh XD`
`19:41.01`	`Dreagar`	`malreth: Very simple and easy to understand. Thanks! can you change it to be a stateless iterator? how?`
`19:41.15`	`malreth`	`Dreagar: look at the followups`
`19:41.27`	`Dreagar`	`Taeri: i constantly feel stupid in here. no worries. :D`
`19:41.43`	`Dreagar`	`malreth: point in case. 'stateless iterator fun'.`
`19:42.07`	`malreth`	`cog's is more generic... his works for multiple return values`
`19:42.18`	`malreth`	`my discards all but the first`
`19:42.54`	`malreth`	`but mine is probably easier to follow`
`19:43.07`	`Taeri`	`this is odd, I'm hungry, yet today I've actually eaten.`
`19:43.15`	`malreth`	`also, it is untested... it doesn't look like there are any errors but you never know`
`19:44.05`	`Dreagar`	`i followed both, seems to me that cogs is more wasted words. not that it wont work, it looks fine, well both the stateless has more code than the origional and i always say less code = better. lol`
`19:44.17`	`malreth`	`not always`
`19:44.39`	`Dreagar`	`yeah i know. lol. but i like to say it. :D`
`19:44.56`	`malreth`	`more good code > less code > more useless code`
`19:44.56`	`Dreagar`	`and now i have a firm grasp of regular and stateless iterators. :D`
`19:45.49`	`malreth`	`Dreagar: good... so, in the _every() function... where does the i argument come from?`
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`19:47.43`	`malreth`	`get it right or i'll drill a hole in your head`
`19:47.43`	`cHao`	`lol`
`19:47.48`	`Dreagar`	`on which one? origional or a follow up?`
`19:48.02`	`malreth`	`the followup.. mine specifically in the stateless iterator`
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`19:48.56`	`cHao`	`mmmmm.....food.`
`19:50.13`	`Dreagar`	`(not answering yet) so i is an index of a table. hmm. so you insert GetFriendInfo, which i'm assuming will return a table, that has an index, with a person at each index, or nil. so i'd say it comes from whatever var you're putting into the function.`
`19:50.25`	`malreth`	`no one here plays Sonic Adventure?`
`19:51.08`	`malreth`	`GetFriendInfo() is a WoW API function... you give it an index and it returns a name on your friend list`
`19:51.09`	`MentalPower`	`!api GetFriendInfo`
`19:51.20`	`Dreagar`	`but. that's not true. because f(i) is a function in _every()`
`19:51.34`	`malreth`	`that's all it does... no tables involved in this example`
`19:51.54`	`malreth`	`actually, i specifically picked Ensemble and the every() function because tables are never used`
`19:52.00`	`Dreagar`	`i'd have to say its a global variable or even a local variable that is used in _every`
`19:52.17`	`Dreagar`	`used just for iterating over lists.`
`19:53.36`	`malreth`	`so, what's actually happening in the for loop... Lua first runs the every() function`
`19:54.03`	`Kaso`	`btw none of the wow api functions return tables just argument lists`
`19:54.17`	`malreth`	`and passes the GetFriendInfo function into it`
`19:54.25`	`malreth`	`Dreagar: got that so far?`
`19:54.27`	`cladhaire`	`Kaso: lies.`
`19:54.31`	`cladhaire`	`Frame:GetBackdrop()`
`19:54.34`	`Kaso`	`ok nearly none`
`19:54.35`	`MentalPower`	`aye`
`19:54.35`	`Dreagar`	`yup. i'm following so far.`
`19:54.37`	`cladhaire`	`:P`
`19:54.47`	`malreth`	`what does the every() function then do`
`19:54.53`	`Kaso`	`i knew that was a bad idea as soon as i said it`
`19:55.08`	`Dreagar`	`evey is returning the function _every with f, and 0 as args. oh. duh`
`19:55.25`	`Dreagar`	`in _every it's getting the i from every() which is 0`
`19:55.52`	`malreth`	`correct... it sets the state variable in the generic-for construct to 0`
`19:56.31`	`malreth`	`well... more accurately, every() returns the iterator function, the invariant, and the initial state back to the generic-for`
`19:56.42`	`Dreagar`	`obvious when i really looked, was confused because i didn't see return _every(f,0) in every(f)`
`19:57.14`	`malreth`	`generic-for sets its internal state variable to 0`
`19:57.55`	`cHao`	`~pil`
`19:57.55`	`purl`	`Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1.`
`19:58.02`	`malreth`	`it also sets the invariant to f... which is the GetFriendInfo function`
`19:58.25`	`cHao`	`(not to anyone here....was just an easy way to get a clickable link :) )`
`19:58.26`	`malreth`	`the invariant will never change... hence the term. the state variable will`
`19:58.41`	`Dreagar`	`omg.`
`19:58.53`	`malreth`	`the generic-for then calls the iterator function and passes it the invariant and the state`
`19:59.14`	`malreth`	`that's why _every() is written to take two arguments`
`19:59.29`	`malreth`	`the first one is the invariant and the second is the state`
`19:59.50`	`Dreagar`	`could you do _every(..., i)? or does the ... have to be at the end?`
`20:00.00`	`cog\|work`	`... has to be at the end`
`20:00.21`	`cog\|work`	`and only the first result is passed back in`
`20:00.30`	`Dreagar`	`i mean, IE let it take any number of args. with one invariant?`
`20:00.44`	`malreth`	`... wouldn't make sense anyway since the generic-for will always only pass two arguments`
`20:00.47`	`cog\|work`	`i isn't the invariant`
`20:00.52`	`Dreagar`	`check.`
`20:01.02`	`Dreagar`	`oh. yeah, stupid. sorry.`
`20:01.05`	`malreth`	`Dreagar: currently, you only get 1 state variable`
`20:01.27`	`malreth`	`and forever that will be until they change the Lua language... doubtful`
`20:01.30`	`Dreagar`	`so really these iterator functions should always have 2 args. or 1.`
`20:01.55`	`malreth`	`well... your stateless iterator, yes`
`20:02.36`	`malreth`	`so, the answer to the question i posed earlier is the generic-for itself sets the value of i in _every()`
`20:03.37`	`Dreagar`	`right, and it makes perfect sense too. :D`
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`20:03.41`	`malreth`	`the first time through the loop, _every() is called with the second argument being set to zero`
`20:03.57`	`malreth`	`because of the initial state we set in the every() function`
`20:04.03`	`Dreagar`	`ok, i gotta get back to reading. i wanna try to finish that addon this week, so i wont have it hangin over my head while i'm in the hospital with my daughter.`
`20:04.14`	`malreth`	`ah... but one more question`
`20:04.30`	`Dreagar`	`k`
`20:05.06`	`malreth`	`"for i, person in every(GetFriendInfo) do"`
`20:05.18`	`malreth`	`assume you're in the stateless iterator fun file there...`
`20:05.35`	`malreth`	`rewrite that line so that it doesn't call the every() function`
`20:05.49`	`malreth`	`just that one line`
`20:06.09`	`Dreagar`	`line 14?`
`20:06.12`	`malreth`	`yah`
`20:06.17`	`Dreagar`	`k lemme see`
`20:06.46`	`Dreagar`	`for i, person in ipairs(getFriendInfo) do`
`20:06.52`	`malreth`	`hint... you can call any other function that's been defined in that example... :p`
`20:06.57`	`malreth`	`ipairs only takes a table`
`20:07.02`	`malreth`	`GetFriendInfo is a function`
`20:07.06`	`Dreagar`	`s/getFriendInfo/GetFriendInfo`
`20:07.07`	`Dreagar`	`ahh ok.`
`20:07.10`	`Dreagar`	`hmm.`
`20:07.34`	`Dreagar`	`for i, person in _every(GetFriendInfo, 0) do`
`20:07.41`	`malreth`	`ooh... so very close`
`20:07.55`	`malreth`	`but you're getting there... look at line 10`
`20:08.06`	`Dreagar`	`oh, that wont do it.`
`20:08.12`	`malreth`	`i shouldn't have said the word "call"`
`20:08.23`	`malreth`	`but you've almost got it`
`20:08.25`	`Thunder_Child`	`very disturbing "http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/lolz/wozs-online-segway-polo-match-to-rival-super-bowls-hype-viewership-333499.php"`
`20:08.42`	`malreth`	`just look at what every() itself does`
`20:09.18`	`Dreagar`	`it just returns the function _every, the function that's inputted, and 0.`
`20:09.29`	`malreth`	`yeah... not much there`
`20:09.41`	`malreth`	`now... with that in mind... rewrite line 14`
`20:09.51`	`Dreagar`	`what i'm not getting is how to return _every, and f and the index.`
`20:10.35`	`malreth`	`time's up`
`20:10.49`	`Dreagar`	`k. lets see the answer`
`20:11.03`	`malreth`	`anyone?`
`20:11.21`	`malreth`	`Thunder_Child: what do you think?`
`20:11.23`	`malreth`	`:p`
`20:11.37`	`Thunder_Child`	`huh wha?`
`20:11.47`	`malreth`	`wrong answer`
`20:11.57`	`Thunder_Child`	`i wasnt paying attention`
`20:11.59`	`cHao`	`lol`
`20:12.03`	`Thunder_Child`	`whats going on?`
`20:12.07`	`malreth`	`"for i, person in _every, GetFriendInfo, 0 do"`
`20:12.22`	`Thunder_Child`	`the cows are attacking???`
`20:13.04`	`malreth`	`in other words, basically exactly what every() itself was returning back to the for statement`
`20:13.49`	`malreth`	`the reason why we generally don't do that directly is because it's ugly and ugly has no place in Lua scripting`
`20:14.10`	`Dreagar`	`well, what's the difference of not using ()?`
`20:14.27`	`malreth`	`you could actually have that be any thing`
`20:14.27`	`Fisker-`	`booh`
`20:14.30`	`Intangir`	`http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,22899785-2,00.html`
`20:14.32`	`malreth`	`oh... sorry...`
`20:14.39`	`malreth`	`() looked like a zero on my screen`
`20:14.51`	`malreth`	`_every is the function itself`
`20:15.05`	`malreth`	`_every() calls a function referenced by the variable "_every"`
`20:15.53`	`Dreagar`	`oh. i learned that already. duh. i didn't think you could put in three args there. thought it had to be a function of some sort.`
`20:16.13`	`Dreagar`	`hmm having trouble articulating what i thought. lol`
`20:16.22`	`malreth`	`nope... it's an expression list in actuality`
`20:16.50`	`Dreagar`	`ahhh that makes sense. i thought of doin that, just didn't think it was allowed.`
`20:17.04`	`Dreagar`	`yay ! learned somethin new!`
`20:17.18`	`malreth`	`all your loops where you write "for i, v in pairs(someTable) do" you could write as "for i, v in next, someTable do" if you really wanted`
`20:17.29`	`malreth`	`but again, that's ugly and ugly has no place here`
`20:17.41`	`malreth`	`if you're not pretty, you have no reason to live`
`20:18.20`	`malreth`	`that's true dedication to the philosophy there, Dreagar`
`20:18.37`	`cHao`	`lol`
`20:18.46`	`malreth`	`Taeri: so... when was the last time your boy cooked for you?`
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`20:19.25`	`Dreagar`	`hehe`
`20:20.11`	`Nechckn`	`A quick diversion from WoWish tinkering- check out Datamancer.net - surely part of the inspiration for the whole Goblin lore/workings/uttercoolness.`
`20:21.04`	`malreth`	`aah... steampunk gadgets`
`20:21.09`	`Nechckn`	`I was amazed and given many sneaky ideas for some box enhancements. Also realized how untalented I am`
`20:21.36`	`Nechckn`	`That is some cool stuff, no? seriously thought that real tinkering was dead.`
`20:22.47`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Holy crap, I just finished HL2: Episode 2 (months late, I know, I know)`
`20:22.55`	`ScytheBlade1`	`And I... gah, that ending`
`20:23.03`	`Dreagar`	`SOOOO good huh Scythe? real cliffhanger? hehe`
`20:23.05`	`malreth`	`Nechckn: http://www.klockwerks.com/`
`20:23.11`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Hello understatement`
`20:23.19`	`Dreagar`	`lmao. i loved it`
`20:23.27`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Had to watch it a second time to get the full extent of it`
`20:24.05`	`ScytheBlade1`	`"cliffhanger" is one heck of an understatement`
`20:24.21`	`ScytheBlade1`	`And watching that also made me realize just how badly movies in theaters suck in all forms`
`20:24.28`	`ScytheBlade1`	`And how incredible that game actually is`
`20:24.36`	`Nechckn`	`malreth thank you- have not seen that one.`
`20:24.38`	`Dreagar`	`i wanna play thru again and do all the lil extras`
`20:25.04`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Somewhat of a spoiler for the achivements: http://www.kfj.f2s.com/index.php/2007-10-15-gnome-quest`
`20:26.22`	`Dreagar`	`HL is somethin i refuse to see spoilers on. ;D`
`20:26.43`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Good luck figuring out that achivement then, heh`
`20:28.06`	`Dreagar`	`yay! on to chapter 8!`
`20:28.17`	`Dreagar`	`allright i'll look. lol`
`20:28.21`	`Thunder_Child`	`this one is quite awesome http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/editorials/zeropunctuation/2716-Zero-Punctuation-Guitar-Hero-III`
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`20:30.57`	`Dreagar`	`ok it was worth lookin at. :D`
`20:31.04`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Told you`
`20:31.05`	`ScytheBlade1`	`It's awesome`
`20:31.17`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Someone at Valve needs a nice big fat bonus for thinking that up`
`20:31.24`	`malreth`	`http://www.boingboing.net/2007/12/10/machine-girl-trailer.html`
`20:31.33`	`Kaso`	`Drill Bra!`
`20:31.40`	`malreth`	`YESSSS!!`
`20:32.10`	`Kaso`	`http://img.waffleimages.com/1fb5c3dc4770e792712ff8e631596e90915bdfcd/drillbra.gif`
`20:33.41`	`malreth`	`i sent that link to a friend and he was all, "there's no way it could top 'Ichi the Killer'"`
`20:33.45`	`Thunder_Child`	`that...is...SO....retarded`
`20:33.54`	`malreth`	`he watched the trailer and responded, "ok... it has a chance"`
`20:35.25`	`ScytheBlade1`	`haha`
`20:37.06`	`Dreagar`	`i like grabbin the 'nades off those crazy guys and tossin em back at em. :D`
`20:37.25`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Always fun`
`20:38.07`	`Kaso`	`i find it quite amazing how much extra fun a simple thing like the achivements add to the game`
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`20:38.56`	`Dreagar`	`replayability. :D`
`20:39.58`	`Dreagar`	`ahhh. found the section in pil on the loadstring() and assert() functions.`
`20:40.13`	`Dreagar`	`shirik's questsions now make sense from last nite. :D`
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`20:41.43`	`Kaso`	`grr stupid alias`
`20:41.48`	`Kaso`	`ITS NOT A CUBE!!`
`20:42.05`	`Kaso`	`its a hexagonal prism`
`20:42.17`	`Dreagar`	`hey watch your mouth, this is a family program`
`20:42.29`	`Dreagar`	`hexagonal prism indeed.`
`20:42.40`	`Kaso`	`^_-`
`20:43.45`	`Kaso`	`theyre all moaning about how some other agency is taking "the cube" which any person with pirmary school maths knows is not a cube`
`20:45.10`	`malreth`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:45.24`	`malreth`	`gotta go... later`
`20:47.31`	`Thunder_Child`	`http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/crazy/pig-toy-gets-completely-squashed-raises-like-terminator-t1000-333434.php`
`20:48.28`	`Kaso`	`Thats awesome`
`20:48.53`	`Kaso`	`if only it was something slightly more menacing than a pig`
`20:49.13`	`Thunder_Child`	`hellboar?`
`20:56.21`	`Dreagar`	`that's pretty neat`
`21:03.56`	`Dreagar`	`where can i find your pages for your addons?`
`21:04.01`	`Dreagar`	`in Wowi?`
`21:04.10`	`Josh_Borke`	`who's?`
`21:04.15`	`Josh_Borke`	`mine are all on wowi`
`21:05.16`	`Dreagar`	`Cladhaires`
`21:05.33`	`Dreagar`	`i thought i wrote that. wtf.`
`21:05.34`	`Dreagar`	`lol`
`21:05.58`	`cog\|work`	`cladhaire.wowinterface.com`
`21:06.35`	`Dreagar`	`tanks`
`21:10.11`	`Dreagar`	`hmm. if i wanted to run a TomTom slash command in my addon, i'd have to do SlashCmd.TOMTOM_WAY("reset") ??`
`21:10.28`	`cladhaire`	`there are a few ways, that's one of them`
`21:10.36`	`Dreagar`	`YAY! I figured it out!`
`21:10.43`	`cladhaire`	`but it would be SlashCmdList`
`21:11.24`	`Dreagar`	`now, TOMTOM_Way is the table, SlashCmdList is the index, and reset is the string it looks for to decide what function to run?`
`21:11.34`	`Dreagar`	`wait. i have that backwards.`
`21:11.42`	`cladhaire`	`to say the least`
`21:11.57`	`Industrial`	`DING 68`
`21:11.58`	`Dreagar`	`SlashCmdList is the table, TOMTOM_WAY is the index`
`21:12.07`	`cladhaire`	`Industrial: gz :P so close`
`21:12.12`	`Industrial`	`^^ ta`
`21:12.26`	`cladhaire`	`SlashCmdList is the table, the string "TOMTOM_WAY" is the index, and "reset" is the part that is sent to the slash command handler.`
`21:12.41`	`Dreagar`	`right, so i DO understand it. woah.`
`21:14.19`	`Dreagar`	`one question i had Clad, is there a way to remove just one waypoint? without using the dropdown?`
`21:14.43`	`cladhaire`	`you'd have to get a handle to it, but yes`
`21:14.44`	`cladhaire`	`in theory`
`21:16.23`	`Dreagar`	`hmm. i'll get back to you on that, but that's what i'd like to try to do is create a waypoint, and when they're complete or change steps, and just get rid of that one waypoint. but not there quite yet.`
`21:16.43`	`cladhaire`	`the api doesn't directly support something like that`
`21:16.45`	`cladhaire`	`the new api does`
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`21:17.22`	`Saint-N`	`boobies!`
`21:17.25`	`Saint-N`	`yay \o/`
`21:17.32`	`cog\|work`	`\o/`
`21:17.32`	`Dreagar`	`api? which api? wow?`
`21:17.40`	`cladhaire`	`no, tomtom`
`21:17.45`	`Saint-N`	`the boobies api`
`21:17.59`	`Dreagar`	`ahh whens the new api out`
`21:18.12`	`Saint-N`	`and it's sub libs nipple and nipple2 ;P`
`21:18.23`	`cladhaire`	`Dreagar: when i release a new version of the mod.`
`21:18.36`	`Thunder_Child`	`~lart Saint-N`
`21:18.36`	`purl`	`whips out a sword and chops Saint-N in half`
`21:18.53`	`Dreagar`	`ahh good answer.`
`21:18.54`	`Dreagar`	`:D`
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`21:20.31`	`Saint-N`	`clad`
`21:20.43`	`cladhaire`	`?`
`21:20.43`	`Saint-N`	`what sort of clock addon in the wowace world would need a library?`
`21:20.56`	`Saint-N`	`or rather`
`21:21.01`	`Saint-N`	`why would a clock addon need a lib?`
`21:21.06`	`cladhaire`	`it doesn't`
`21:21.11`	`cladhaire`	`no addon ever needs a library`
`21:21.15`	`Saint-N`	`laugh`
`21:21.45`	`cladhaire`	`with the exception of perhaps something like cart/tomtom`
`21:21.45`	`Kaso`	`this is ace, everyone needs libs!`
`21:21.45`	`Saint-N`	`clockfu requires librock ;P`
`21:21.45`	`Kaso`	`sigh`
`21:21.45`	`cladhaire`	`where its stupid to steal those calculations`
`21:21.57`	`cladhaire`	`when you can just use the work someone's already done`
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`21:29.24`	`Saint-N`	`BOW DOWN! BOW DOWN! Before the power of Santa or be CRUSHED be CRUSHED BYYYYYYYYYYYY his jolly boots of DOOM!`
`21:30.25`	`Josh_Borke`	`bow down before the ones you love`
`21:30.29`	`Josh_Borke`	`you're gonna get what you deserve`
`21:30.47`	`Saint-N`	`its bow down before the ones you server`
`21:30.49`	`Saint-N`	`serve`
`21:30.59`	`Josh_Borke`	`erm yea, don't know where love came from`
`21:31.03`	`Josh_Borke`	`must have been thinking of my fiancee at the time`
`21:31.11`	`Saint-N`	`you REALLY love your god dont ya`
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`21:31.17`	`Saint-N`	`speaking of losers`
`21:31.17`	`cog\|work`	`~lart Shirik`
`21:31.17`	`purl`	`shoots Shirik in his sleep`
`21:31.20`	`Saint-N`	`hi shirik`
`21:31.20`	`Shirik`	`=(`
`21:31.42`	`Thunder_Child`	`only 500?`
`21:31.45`	`Shirik`	`it was going so well too.....`
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`21:31.59`	`Shirik`	`accepting bytecodes perfectly, etc.`
`21:32.23`	`Shirik`	`and then I crossed a 5V wire with a 9V wire`
`21:32.26`	`Shirik`	`and bad things happened`
`21:32.34`	`Saint-N`	`hah!`
`21:32.38`	`Josh_Borke`	`did your hair catch fire?`
`21:32.41`	`Shirik`	`.. no`
`21:32.45`	`Saint-N`	`too bad`
`21:32.46`	`Josh_Borke`	`damn`
`21:33.14`	`Thunder_Child`	`pics?`
`21:33.14`	`zenzelezz`	`oh god`
`21:33.26`	`Saint-N`	`shirik has pics`
`21:33.28`	`zenzelezz`	`fighting Kael'thas, and I see... [1. General] [Hayabusha]: dirge`
`21:33.35`	`Saint-N`	`most of them have yer mom in then though TC`
`21:33.48`	`Thunder_Child`	`thats just nasty Saint-N`
`21:34.00`	`Saint-N`	`i dont get the dirge thing`
`21:34.05`	`Saint-N`	`someone explain it`
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`21:35.41`	`Saint-N`	`cuz when i see "dirge" i think of D&D and those bit moquitos`
`21:35.46`	`Saint-N`	`s/bit/big`
`21:36.17`	`Saint-N`	`s/qu/squ`
`21:36.24`	`Saint-N`	`s/qu/squ/g`
`21:36.33`	`Saint-N`	`heh`
`21:36.52`	`Saint-N`	`s/heh/ha ha/g`
`21:36.54`	`Saint-N`	`s/heh/ha ha/g`
`21:37.21`	`Saint-N`	`s/ha ha/heh/g`
`21:37.29`	`Saint-N`	`aww`
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`21:38.07`	`Saint-N`	`dylanm == dylan mcdermott`
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`21:39.07`	`Saint-N`	`hi cairenn!`
`21:39.44`	`Josh_Borke`	`~emulate JoshBorke`
`21:39.45`	`purl`	`ACTION hugs Cairenn`
`21:40.11`	`Saint-N`	`since obviously cairenn is selective in her hugging`
`21:40.19`	`Saint-N`	`;)`
`21:40.25`	`Dreagar`	`hmm. i have a problem.`
`21:40.31`	`Saint-N`	`yes...yes you do`
`21:40.37`	`Dreagar`	`besides that`
`21:40.43`	`Saint-N`	`oh`
`21:40.47`	`Dreagar`	`lol.`
`21:40.54`	`Saint-N`	`well lets hear it then`
`21:41.23`	`Saint-N`	`but if it involves a toy car or a small rodent and some orrifice on your body.... so help me!`
`21:41.28`	`Dreagar`	`I have next and prev buttons, that cycle thru the steps in a dropdown in my addon, when you bring up the map, and then close it, the buttons don't work anymore.`
`21:41.34`	`Dreagar`	`what could cause that?`
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`21:41.55`	`Saint-N`	`like named frames?`
`21:42.07`	`Saint-N`	`invisible buttons`
`21:42.23`	`Saint-N`	`an orangatang named clyde`
`21:42.28`	`Dreagar`	`i'm not sure what u mean. lol`
`21:43.08`	`Saint-N`	`im just filling space until someone answers you`
`21:43.59`	`Saint-N`	`it could be that the map took over ownership of the buttons so they dont appear on your addon though`
`21:44.21`	`Dreagar`	`it's frame called LevelGuide, has 3 drop downs. when u choose a step in the third dropdown it opens a new frame called StepFrame which has the next and prev buttons (just arrow buttons inherited from an bllizz frame) the next and prev will go to the next and prev steps if they're there and disable if they're not. they also change the third drop down to reflect the change in step.`
`21:44.58`	`Saint-N`	`does the frame remain open?`
`21:45.04`	`Saint-N`	`or does it autofade?`
`21:45.05`	`Dreagar`	`when u bring the map up, and then close it, you press the buttons but they serve to just reload the current step.`
`21:45.15`	`Dreagar`	`remains open`
`21:45.41`	`cHao`	`what are the names of the buttons? (ie: is it possible the names are clashing with something in the map frame?)`
`21:46.00`	`Saint-N`	`does the frame sawn the map?`
`21:46.04`	`Saint-N`	`spawn`
`21:46.43`	`Dreagar`	`no, but it places a waypoint on the map. and deletes all waypoints when changing steps before adding the new waypoint.`
`21:46.59`	`Saint-N`	`it could also be that the spawning of the map replaces the step display variables so that it doesnt know where next and back ARE`
`21:48.47`	`cHao`	`eh. have code? we're kinda randomly guessing here.`
`21:48.47`	`Saint-N`	`we're ?`
`21:48.47`	`Saint-N`	`im random guessing and possibly giving bad ideas so that someone who knows will prove me wrong ;P`
`21:48.47`	`Dreagar`	`http://wowi.pastey.net/78957 button click code.`
`21:49.03`	`cHao`	`eh....why aren't i and v local? just wondering`
`21:49.30`	`cHao`	`or any of the others?`
`21:49.57`	`Dreagar`	`hmm. i should do the tempvals local, yes.`
`21:50.37`	`Saint-N`	`how can tempval1 be two things?`
`21:50.58`	`Dreagar`	`the i and v are only used in the generic for loops tho and should be local to those anyways`
`21:52.00`	`Dreagar`	`hm. localized the tempvals but that didn't fix the issue`
`21:53.18`	`cHao`	`another thing...you might want some kind of prefix in front of your function names. "NextStepClick", for example, could be clashing with something else.`
`21:53.37`	`Dreagar`	`check, lemme give that a whirl`
`21:54.58`	`Dreagar`	`hmm. nothin doin.`
`21:55.14`	`Dreagar`	`maybe it would help to see the entire file?`
`21:55.31`	`Dreagar`	`http://wowi.pastey.net/78958`
`21:55.51`	`cHao`	`probably. cause i was just going to ask if you were sure the functions were being called... :)`
`21:56.33`	`Dreagar`	`lol. well i think it has something to do with the level of the frame?`
`21:56.56`	`cHao`	`eh. this that addon you got paid $20 to write? :)`
`21:57.18`	`Dreagar`	`my first addon ever too. code is ugly as hell`
`21:57.39`	`Dreagar`	`once i get it workin i'm gonna go thru and see what i can change/optimize make prettier. lol`
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`21:58.22`	`cHao`	`do you know whether the button click handlers get called at all after the map comes and goes?`
`21:58.43`	`Dreagar`	`they only get called when setting up the stepframe.`
`21:59.20`	`Dreagar`	`becasue they're dynamic and only get setup when the stepframe is open`
`21:59.55`	`Dreagar`	`perhaps i need to call that function to resetup the stepframe but only when the map comes and goes?`
`22:02.32`	`cHao`	`possibly...i don't see why the map coming and going would disconnect your event handlers though :P`
`22:03.28`	`Dreagar`	`me either. :(`
`22:04.51`	`cHao`	`any particular reason for having the ui stuff all scripted, as opposed to putting it in xml?`
`22:06.13`	`Dreagar`	`well the stuff for the stepframe is all dynamica`
`22:06.25`	`Dreagar`	`only created when the stepframe comes up.`
`22:06.35`	`Dreagar`	`seemed to be an easier way to do it`
`22:10.27`	`cHao`	`and the buttons are enabled when the map goes away? they just don't do anything when you click them?`
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`22:11.06`	`Dreagar`	`they do do somethin. they reload the current step.`
`22:18.06`	`cHao`	`k...i'm not seeing anything. i'm new at this stuff too though, so i'm probably missing something as well.`
`22:18.41`	`cHao`	`i'm seeing other strangeness...but i wouldn't think it would affect your button handlers.`
`22:26.12`	`Dreagar`	`ok, well for now i'll leave it, and ask someoen later. and move on to including metamap/cartographer support for waypoitns`
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`22:26.27`	`Dreagar`	`i'm readin about Markov Chain Algorithms right nwo tho. :D`
`22:29.24`	`Dreagar`	`WEWT! Data Structures!`
`22:29.27`	`Dreagar`	`FTW!`
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`22:35.20`	`kergoth`	`anyone happen to know how far into rfk the kraul bats are?`
`22:35.43`	`Wobin_`	`fairly far in`
`22:36.01`	`Wobin_`	`right near the end I think`
`22:42.32`	`bleeter`	`Wobin_: himself a bit [bleeter(+ei)] [3:##australia(+Pcgnt)] [Act:`
`22:42.35`	`bleeter`	`bah`
`22:42.37`	`bleeter`	`hang on`
`22:42.43`	`bleeter`	`Wobin_: http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,22923153-29277,00.html`
`22:42.49`	`Wobin_`	`hehe`
`22:43.38`	`Wobin_`	`>,`
`22:43.40`	`Wobin_`	`><`
`22:43.47`	`Wobin_`	`Natural selection at work?`
`22:43.57`	`bleeter`	`unfortunately, no.. didn't kill himself`
`22:44.01`	`Wobin_`	`Damnit`
`22:44.04`	`bleeter`	`therefore poor attempt at a Darwin award`
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`22:45.11`	`kergoth`	`boo. need one of those kraul bats to pick up dive rank 1 early, they're the lowest level mobs that have it`
`22:45.31`	`kergoth`	`guess i'll get an escort`
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`22:47.19`	`malreth`	`i eat too many holiday party foods...`
`22:50.07`	`Dreagar`	`wb malreth`
`22:50.46`	`alestane`	`I think that's about the first time someone's declared me rude in the forum....although really I should be surprised it took that long.`
`22:50.59`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`Blutlust and Cyclone battlegroups still down -.-`
`22:51.22`	`malreth`	`alestane: you're rude and i don't like you... :o`
`22:51.57`	`malreth`	`can i borrow a dollar to ride the bus?`
`22:52.12`	`malreth`	`gotta go... later`
`22:52.56`	`alestane`	`I used to know a guy who'd try and mooch quarters off me all the time. Eventually I figured out he was lying through his teeth and stopped listening to the sob stories.`
`22:53.37`	`Thunder_Child`	`we used to know a guy who tried to mooch addons, then we told Saint-N to GTFO`
`22:53.42`	`Wobin_`	`ahahahaha`
`22:53.48`	`Thunder_Child`	`s/addons/an addon/`
`22:53.57`	`Wobin_`	`[Lyra is captured and stuffed in a sack and taken by sled to… THE ICE BEARS?]`
`22:53.57`	`Wobin_`	`DARK MATERIALS FANS: WHAT? WHAT?`
`22:53.57`	`Wobin_`	`POTTER FANS: What are you, new?`
`22:53.57`	`Wobin_`	`TOLKIEN FANS: eyeroll`
`22:54.11`	`Wobin_`	`m15m is totally ftw`
`22:54.34`	`Wobin_`	`<3 Cleolinda`
`22:56.25`	`Dreagar`	`oh. excellent. Cartographer doesn't add a waypoint to the map, just the waypoint arrow. awesome. :D`
`22:57.51`	`Dreagar`	`anyone know the main sitie for metamap ? that on waoi?`
`22:58.02`	`Dreagar`	`s/waoi/wowi/`
`22:59.38`	`Wobin_`	`Dreagar: Cartographer -can- add a waypoint to the map`
`22:59.43`	`Wobin_`	`you just have to select the option to show it`
`23:01.06`	`Dreagar`	`oh i don't want it to. :D`
`23:01.15`	`Dreagar`	`it doesn't by default and that's perfect`
`23:03.43`	`Dreagar`	`looks like Curse is Metahawks home`
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`23:05.20`	`Dreagar`	`hmm. metamap no workie`
`23:14.43`	`alestane`	`I still can't love this belief that you have to get a blue response for your thread to be complete.`
`23:17.27`	`alestane`	`I'm washing my hands of that thread, especially since the OP's behavior wasn't even that bad until s/he deciding to start snubbing me for my supposed rudeness.`
`23:18.26`	`Dreagar`	`OMG OMG OMG! it's all working!`
`23:18.39`	`cHao`	`:)`
`23:18.39`	`Thunder_Child`	`~calm Dreagar`
`23:19.03`	`purl`	`ACTION sooths Dreagar, offers a backrub, tea, a jacuzzi and anything else that might help calm Dreagar down.`
`23:19.03`	`Dreagar`	`cept for the one lil problem`
`23:19.03`	`Dreagar`	`:D`
`23:19.03`	`Thunder_Child`	`damit purl`
`23:19.03`	`Thunder_Child`	`your making me look bad`
`23:19.03`	`Cairenn`	`I dunno that I'd call Curse Metahawk's "home" http://www.wowinterface.com/portal.php?uid=28960`
`23:19.13`	`Thunder_Child`	`not that i need your he....damit purl`
`23:19.25`	`cHao`	`lol`
`23:20.20`	`Dreagar`	`ahh thanks Cairenn, was searchin for htat`
`23:20.55`	`Cairenn`	`search author checkbox "metahawk" ;)`
`23:21.25`	`Dreagar`	`ahhh, was just googlin it.`
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`23:21.56`	`Dreagar`	`next time i shall assume Wowi is the only place for addons. :D`
`23:22.10`	`Dreagar`	`cause it is the bizomb anyways. lol`
`23:22.36`	`Dreagar`	`now to clean up my code`
`23:26.49`	`Dreagar`	`and now i can get thru the rest of the pil without feelin all crazy to finish.`
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`23:29.45`	`zenzelezz`	`http://www.poe-news.com/forums/sp.php?fi=OFFTOPIC&ti=100160294&pi=1001602948`
`23:30.21`	`Esamynn\|Work`	`O_O`
`23:38.44`	`Cairenn`	`Dreagar: I wouldn't necessarily say that, I know very well that there are mods on the other sites that aren't on WoWI /shrug`
`23:40.46`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i could see miyari from wowhead running around with one of those, zenz`
`23:40.55`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i went to a nearby gun shop just to see their selection`
`23:41.10`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`mostly hunting rifles, but there were some hot pink shotguns and stuff`
`23:41.15`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`it kinda threw me off`
`23:41.52`	`Lunessa`	`Oh man... massive database changes tomorrow in the office... someone kill me now? plzkthx.`
`23:42.09`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`I have very delicate skin, so I'd need a natural fiber balaclava of high quality`
`23:42.15`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`laff`
`23:45.17`	`bleeter`	`alestane: fwiw, I'm still trying to work out where you were rude :/`
`23:46.13`	`alestane`	`"You've bumped this three times now, is there something in particular you're trying to accomplish?"`
`23:46.20`	`alestane`	`At least is hisser mind.`
`23:46.23`	`alestane`	`in*`
`23:47.15`	`Lunessa`	`alestane: the guy might have written two cool addons, but he's still a prick.`
`23:47.17`	`bleeter`	`yeah, but that's a reasonable question. nothing rude.`
`23:47.30`	`alestane`	`"Probably making Slouken aware of this so it can be fixed. Regardless if the re-using of fontstrings is intended or not an addon should never be able crash WoW." Here the OP attempts to show hisser scorn being being as condescendingly obvious to me as he thought I was to him.`
`23:48.17`	`Thunder_Child`	`addons dont crash wow, people do`
`23:50.17`	`alestane`	`He's right on some points...his time frame for bumping wasn't insane, and it's not actually unreasonable to post a bug like that in the UI forum, we get things like that fixed thus an a semi-regular basis.`
`23:50.59`	`alestane`	`It's just the hubris of acting like your news is of such earth-shattering importance that it needs to remain in the forefront of community discussion that gets to me.`
`23:53.40`	`foxlit`	`Lunessa: "Ugh - Never get your Ace2 AddOns from Curse - go to the source: http://files.wowace.com/"`
`23:53.54`	`Lunessa`	`nod`
`23:54.14`	`foxlit`	`Iirc, files.wowace.com just serves whatever is in SVN at the moment?`
`23:54.31`	`cog\|work`	`foxlit: which is often the only release point because a lot of ace devs are lazy`
`23:54.33`	`Lunessa`	`No, it has a history too.`
`23:54.47`	`alestane`	`While I agree you'll get the most recent build that way, you won't always get the most stable one.`
`23:54.52`	`Lunessa`	`But the default is just the current svn build`
`23:55.19`	`cog\|work`	`they just take for granted that everyone's using WAU. most don't even bother writing docs`
`23:55.22`	`cog\|work`	`</rant>`
`23:55.32`	`Lunessa`	`My post was perhaps not completely caveat'ed but in general, correct.`
`23:55.54`	`alestane`	`But I haven't gotten the impression that most Ace devs post releases on Curse...my feeling is that most of the ones who are conscientious enough to post "release" bulds on more public sites probably do it on WoWI.`
`23:56.25`	`alestane`	`Random question. There's a french site that I'd never heard of before serving one of my addons. Should I bug them about it?`
`23:56.53`	`foxlit`	`Meh, whatever you feel like`
`23:57.27`	`Lunessa`	`alestane: Your addon, your choice who gets to distribute it.`
`23:57.29`	`cog\|work`	`alestane: "should" is entirely up to you`
`23:57.37`	`bleeter`	`alestane: depends on your distribution licensing ;)`
`23:57.38`	`foxlit`	`filefront really bugs me since I can't find any "report this file" links`
`23:58.04`	`cog\|work`	`alestane: except for some militant free software peeps, i'm sure everyone in this channel would support you if you did...`
`23:58.22`	`alestane`	`I may just make a post on the file page giving permission to host and telling them the latest version is at wowinterface.`
`23:59.15`	`alestane`	`My issue isn't really with the fact that the add-on is there, but that no-one saw fit to ask or notify me. But I haven't been in the habit of including contact info so I'm not ripped about that.`
`23:59.48`	`bleeter`	`alestane: next release of you addon, put in contact info and whereever you consider the 'main' distribution site`
`23:59.53`	`alestane`	`I'm just trying to decide what the best course is to defend my rights without making a major icnident of it.`
`23:59.59`	`alestane`	`sp*`

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