| 00:00.08 | buu | alestane: What license did you release it under? |
| 00:00.09 | bleeter | alestane: that way, if some other site mirrors again, your users can be aware if they have the latest or not, and alert wherever they get the mod from |
| 00:00.25 | alestane | There is no license, so it's plain copyrighted material. |
| 00:00.33 | bleeter | ah, all rights reserved |
| 00:01.01 | foxlit | "If you have been banned from the IRC you CAN send an E-Mail to Thundgot [AT] wowfiles.com and give an apology and say you will behave if you get another chance, IF you screw up your last chance you will be PERMABANNED from the IRC and will NOT be able to come back!" |
| 00:01.10 | foxlit | "Thundgot - World of Warcraft Files Site Manager" |
| 00:01.21 | foxlit | Now why does that nick seem misused? |
| 00:02.36 | alestane | At least they gave me proper author credit. That's part of the reason I'm not terribly bothered. |
| 00:03.03 | cHao | they at least have the latest version up? |
| 00:03.23 | alestane | Not sure. |
| 00:03.28 | bleeter | foxlit: 'coz someone's a wannabe EU forum mod? |
| 00:04.10 | bleeter | foxlit: I doubt it's one and the same person... would be curious if Blizz would consider it some form of IP theft |
| 00:04.24 | foxlit | Would be really weird on names |
| 00:04.30 | bleeter | well, not IP... but.. you know what I mean |
| 00:04.47 | bleeter | just a well known name, specific to a particular product etc |
| 00:05.07 | bleeter | one could be confused into thinking filefront was a blizz company, if not endorsed |
| 00:05.10 | alestane | I found it because when that weird issue happened where my add-on got bot-downloaded, I googled the title to see if it was linked in some high-traffic place or something. |
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| 00:06.11 | Taeri | How much do I bid for this thing? http://www.wowhead.com/?item=23632 XD |
| 00:06.23 | bleeter | we had someone trying to bot svn d/l auctioneer a li'l while ago, 'cept their script got stuck on one file and continuously downloaded that, seemed to be spawning multiple threaded d/ls of it too. we had to IP ban them |
| 00:06.32 | bleeter | Taeri: two dollah |
| 00:06.46 | Taeri | do'h, ingame currency ftw! |
| 00:06.47 | Cairenn | alestane: send a C&D |
| 00:07.02 | Taeri | I'm on a lowpop RPPVP server btw, Sporeggar EU |
| 00:07.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | bleeter did they reimplement the "all at once" scan yet? |
| 00:07.21 | bleeter | Mr_Rabies2: not until 2.3.2 |
| 00:07.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's what i meant |
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| 00:07.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | i just got sidetracked midsentence |
| 00:07.34 | alestane | I would be entitled to but I'm not sure it's worth it. I'd rather try and come to some arrangement. |
| 00:07.40 | bleeter | Mr_Rabies2: hehe |
| 00:08.08 | Cairenn | care to link the site? |
| 00:08.25 | Cairenn | since if they are hosting yours without permission, it's a given that they are hosting others as well |
| 00:08.38 | Cairenn | and while you may decide to allow it, others may not agree |
| 00:08.45 | Cairenn | (re their own) |
| 00:08.47 | alestane | http://www.wowaddons-fr.com/index.php?action=view_addon&id=291 |
| 00:08.51 | bleeter | alestane: if your main site has advertising revenue to which either you receive an amount, or the hoster is someone you really like who you think has a right to all the advertising revenue, 'some arrangement' might be tricky as you may be cutting off someone else's nose despite their face, if you get what I mean |
| 00:09.09 | MentalPower|AFK | en Français |
| 00:09.13 | alestane | It's hosted on Curse and wowi. |
| 00:09.31 | alestane | The description of the add-on is reasonably accurate anyway. |
| 00:09.42 | Cairenn | MentalPower: auctioneer there |
| 00:09.54 | alestane | And I think their version is out of date. |
| 00:10.04 | MentalPower | nop |
| 00:10.08 | MentalPower | http://www.wowaddons-fr.com/index.php?action=addon_comp |
| 00:10.27 | MentalPower | actually, yep |
| 00:10.28 | MentalPower | http://www.wowaddons-fr.com/index.php?action=liste_addons |
| 00:10.40 | alestane | So I certainly don't get any add revenue. Cairren presumably does. |
| 00:10.50 | MentalPower | but its an older version |
| 00:10.54 | Cairenn | yes, since I am looking at it listed on the page alestane linked |
| 00:11.01 | Cairenn | alestane: HAHAHHAHAHAHA! |
| 00:11.03 | Cairenn | not |
| 00:11.21 | Cairenn | (sorry) |
| 00:11.31 | MentalPower | my French is rusty |
| 00:12.05 | alestane | Your add space is actually presumably pretty minimal...I presume then that it's just to bay the bandwidth bills? |
| 00:12.33 | Cairenn | our costs & revenue are all Zam's |
| 00:12.35 | bleeter | alestane: have you done a diff from their d/l compared to the version they're claiming it is? (ie, no additional code) |
| 00:12.50 | alestane | Not yet. |
| 00:12.57 | alestane | Should do that though. |
| 00:13.07 | bleeter | yeah, well I'd be doing that before thinking anymore about a C&D or any arrangements |
| 00:14.53 | foxlit | Sites need to implement a sunset date for downloads |
| 00:15.07 | foxlit | There's no point in serving two-year-old addon code :P |
| 00:16.15 | Cairenn | what's to say it doesn't still work foxlit? |
| 00:16.20 | alestane | No, it's a clean copy of the latest version, no .exes, tweaked code or anything. Straight post. |
| 00:16.31 | foxlit | Generally, things don't |
| 00:16.39 | foxlit | Especially since 2.0 flagged everything as incompatible |
| 00:17.10 | foxlit | But which addon hasn't been updated in a year and still works? :) |
| 00:18.02 | Cairenn | there are actually any number of them that still work just fine with the "load outdated" checked |
| 00:18.35 | foxlit | That's not quite what's interesting. |
| 00:18.59 | foxlit | (and load outdated wouldn't work through 2.0 barrier) |
| 00:19.27 | foxlit | It's the combination of still work + had no updates that I suggest is more or less non-existant |
| 00:20.19 | Cairenn | no, it won't, but discounting that, if they (Blizz) don't do anything drastic to the code, it is entirely possible to have a mod that is 2 years old that still works just fine |
| 00:20.20 | cog|work | w00t! http://www.reuters.com/article/oddlyEnoughNews/idUSN1256278120071212?feedType=RSS&feedName=oddlyEnoughNews |
| 00:20.56 | Cairenn | foxlit: I'm trying to remember who it was, but someone just recently was commenting about how a mod of theirs hasn't been touched since 2.0 and still works fine |
| 00:21.04 | NightHawkTheSane | cog|work: feh, call me when its in the OED. |
| 00:21.16 | Cairenn | I _think_ it was either Tem|AFK, Industrial or Tekkub |
| 00:21.18 | foxlit | I had the same coordinate addon since 1.3, I think |
| 00:21.52 | malreth | Ensemble is essentially untouched from before 2.0 and works fine |
| 00:22.01 | foxlit | But anyhow, that's fixable by having the author click a "it still works" button every so often |
| 00:22.21 | malreth | foxlit: a dead-mans switch then for addons? |
| 00:22.22 | foxlit | the sheer amount of junk code that ends up on lesser-visited addon sites is annoying :P |
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| 00:23.32 | malreth | that's like what I do! |
| 00:23.33 | foxlit | Okay, bad joke; no, I haven't been reading the WoWI forums |
| 00:23.42 | alestane | "Le site est pour le moment surchargé. Merci de patienter 2 minutes avant de rafraîchir votre navigateur." |
| 00:23.45 | Cairenn | the guy wants us to add a tag line to mods saying "may work if load outdated is checked" to any mod that doesn't have the "this works with XXX patch" |
| 00:24.36 | Cairenn | and I'm sitting here going "why? what does that benefit? that applies to every single mod on every single site - it may still work with load outdated, it may not |
| 00:24.39 | Cairenn | so what's the point |
| 00:25.02 | foxlit | There isn't one, really |
| 00:25.03 | cog|work | Cairenn: i can see his point... |
| 00:25.05 | NightHawkTheSane | ooh, ooh, i know.. because people are idiots. :P |
| 00:25.14 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13997 |
| 00:25.18 | art3mis | "You Fail at common sense, please FOADIAF, kthxbai" |
| 00:25.29 | art3mis | that should be the response to most dumbies |
| 00:25.29 | cog|work | by explicitly stating that some mods are compatible, it implies to some that those not marked as such won't. |
| 00:25.31 | Cairenn | cog|work: if you can come up with a valid reason, I'd love to hear it, because it makes 0 sense to me |
| 00:25.43 | cog|work | s/won't/aren't/ |
| 00:25.47 | art3mis | not really |
| 00:26.09 | cog|work | art3mis: not really if you know how it all works... |
| 00:26.14 | cog|work | but there are n00bs in every bunch |
| 00:26.15 | art3mis | by explicitly saying that they're compatible means that they are up to date. it doesnt imply that the older ones that havent been updated WONT work. |
| 00:26.24 | alestane | ~FOADIAF |
| 00:26.39 | foxlit | Meh, that compatible flag is backwards |
| 00:26.46 | cog|work | art3mis: i never said they were correct in thinking it was implied :P |
| 00:26.57 | art3mis | one qualifier does not and should not mean the other option is the opposite |
| 00:26.58 | foxlit | I see it as more of a declaration "I will support [this version] running on [this wow version]" |
| 00:27.13 | cog|work | we can sit on our high horse all day and it won't change the fact that people will still get confused |
| 00:27.28 | art3mis | he's just being dumb and prolly wants warnig labels on ice cream stating that it's cold because he couldnt be sure ;P |
| 00:27.40 | foxlit | mm, cold icecream |
| 00:27.42 | foxlit | me wants! |
| 00:27.49 | art3mis | i know that made me want it too fox ;) |
| 00:27.55 | foxlit | softice just isn't the same :( |
| 00:28.14 | art3mis | "coddle not the imbecile" ;) |
| 00:28.21 | cog|work | I'm making my statements without having read the thread... I've often felt the "this mod is compatible with X.X" to be a bit misleading |
| 00:28.36 | art3mis | heh i never look ;P |
| 00:28.39 | cog|work | seems like a simple inclusion that would prevent misunderstandings |
| 00:28.47 | art3mis | i check if it does what i want and THEN see if it's broken |
| 00:28.58 | Cairenn | and I have no objection to adding it, I just don't really see what benefit there is to it |
| 00:29.04 | art3mis | it's kind of a redundant statement though |
| 00:29.06 | alestane | Is Mathinna on the forums someone who hangs out here? |
| 00:29.18 | Cairenn | since, as I said, it applies to every single mod on every single site, so what's the point |
| 00:29.25 | cog|work | Cairenn: it might help with all the "ZOMG WHY DUN U UPD8" posts |
| 00:29.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | "People look for self-evident numeral-letter substitutions: 0 for O; 3 for E; 7 for T; and 4 for A," he said. "This is simply a different and more efficient way of representing the alphabetical character." |
| 00:29.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | except not |
| 00:30.10 | art3mis | cog|work: it could also cause issues, such as people wanting to know how to fix broken unsupported or REALLY out of date addons |
| 00:30.10 | cog|work | but w/e |
| 00:30.28 | cog|work | art3mis: and that's different from now how? |
| 00:30.30 | cog|work | :P |
| 00:30.30 | art3mis | not to mention the fact you'd have to then explain what "ticking load out of date addons" means |
| 00:30.52 | cog|work | art3mis: which is better than having them post questions in forums? linking to the faq would be handy imo |
| 00:30.59 | art3mis | because it's stated by the site that it "might" work and thus they are no obligated to trouble shoot it and fix it for you ;P |
| 00:31.00 | bleeter | alestane: that's me |
| 00:31.01 | cog|work | but it's time for home so... |
| 00:31.14 | art3mis | no==now |
| 00:31.15 | Thunder_Child | i dont like the loading out of date option, authors are lazy so it always needs to be checked |
| 00:31.19 | Cairenn | later cog|work |
| 00:31.25 | bleeter | cya cog|work |
| 00:31.27 | art3mis | nods thunder |
| 00:31.33 | alestane | Ah. Then you must have pen and ink. |
| 00:31.36 | art3mis | i cant remember a time that ive had it unticked |
| 00:31.46 | Thunder_Child | ya, i even wonder why the option is there |
| 00:31.47 | foxlit | patch always clears it |
| 00:33.00 | cHao | i have mine unchecked now. after a patch, i'll check it for a little while -- but if an addon breaks, i disable it til i feel like updating. :P |
| 00:33.05 | Cairenn | he's not here any more, but still - "linking to the faq would be handy imo" - go check any download page for any mod on the site - "Download" "How to install (FAQ)" "Add to my favourites" |
| 00:33.34 | Thunder_Child | cHao, usually it doesnt break them because they are incremental patchs |
| 00:33.54 | Thunder_Child | so it seems silly to even have it as an option |
| 00:33.59 | cHao | heh. last patch royally screwed up auctioneer |
| 00:34.15 | bleeter | yes, well we knew that was coming |
| 00:34.29 | bleeter | hence we've been working on auctioneer advanced since Jan this year :P |
| 00:34.41 | Thunder_Child | and where is it now? |
| 00:34.41 | cHao | which rocks, btw :) |
| 00:34.42 | bleeter | if not late last year |
| 00:34.47 | cHao | prices seem a bit off though |
| 00:35.00 | bleeter | it's far more resilient to outliers |
| 00:35.16 | bleeter | some of the informant prices are wrong, too.. still trying to fix that |
| 00:35.41 | art3mis | polarinas pricing addon is hilarious |
| 00:35.51 | art3mis | for all the class books it says "10g" |
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| 00:36.06 | art3mis | despite the fact that you can barely get 10c for them |
| 00:36.15 | art3mis | and they vendor for 1g |
| 00:36.55 | bleeter | old pricing data? |
| 00:36.59 | cHao | i mean, it seemed by default to price stuff around the average (middle of the list) price -- i changed my settings to undercut more like it used to, cause if i didn't it'd want to charge like 2-3x as much. :P |
| 00:37.06 | alestane | Well, I've tried to sign up on their site so I can post a comment. It said the site was too busy, then it said there had been registration attempt from my IP in the last 24 hours and I would have to wait. |
| 00:37.17 | art3mis | bleeter: her addon is static prices |
| 00:38.11 | bleeter | cHao: configuring auctioneer's still a bit of a black art ;) |
| 00:38.21 | Thunder_Child | "we can dance if we want to, we can leave your friends behind...." |
| 00:38.24 | cHao | so i've noticed :) |
| 00:38.29 | bleeter | cHao: for the record, I barely sell anything at all with auctioneer. I'm a BTM scan vendor whore ;) |
| 00:38.36 | art3mis | spooky! |
| 00:38.44 | art3mis | i was just humming that song not 15 seconds ago |
| 00:38.51 | bleeter | I average 15-20g a day just from buying out/bidding on stuff that's under vendor price =)) |
| 00:39.01 | cHao | damn...lol |
| 00:39.09 | Thunder_Child | i was singing it in the shower about 20 min ago for some reason |
| 00:39.21 | cHao | i doubt i could do that on my server -- the prices there are insane now. |
| 00:39.31 | bleeter | Thunder_Child: if you can't dance, or your friends can't dance, well they're no friends of mine |
| 00:39.51 | Thunder_Child | of course i just realized that how my snipit tailed off could be misconstruded |
| 00:40.11 | Thunder_Child | bleeter...thats not right... |
| 00:40.25 | cHao | can you tell BtmScan to only look at stuff that's worth vendoring? |
| 00:40.29 | bleeter | cHao: typically it's stuff like wicked claws, adamantite powder, raptor hide stuff that people put up.. don't ask me why ... I've tried to work it out and my brain explodes |
| 00:40.34 | bleeter | Thunder_Child: aye, I know |
| 00:40.36 | Thunder_Child | Cause your friends dont dance |
| 00:40.36 | Thunder_Child | And if they dont dance |
| 00:40.36 | Thunder_Child | Well they're no friends of mine |
| 00:40.49 | bleeter | cHao: yeah, just disable all evaluators 'cept for the vendor one |
| 00:41.08 | bleeter | cHao: be warned tho, it's idea of vendor prices for bandages is WRONG, so make sure you ignore them ;) |
| 00:41.23 | cHao | heh |
| 00:41.42 | cHao | that should be easy to fix though, shouldn't it? |
| 00:42.18 | bleeter | well, we can go the quick hack to fix it, and have to quick hack every release that we do, or work on fixing the underlying problem. |
| 00:42.26 | cHao | or does the vendor price come from wow? |
| 00:42.28 | bleeter | we vote the second |
| 00:42.41 | bleeter | they come from a number of sources, iirc |
| 00:43.20 | bleeter | but what with our server migration for our ticketing/sccs/websites recently, we've had 0 time to properly look at the issues |
| 00:43.33 | cHao | and can it update the vendor prices if it sees they've changed? (that'd rock...) |
| 00:43.42 | bleeter | we still haven't fully completed the migration either |
| 00:44.19 | cHao | as you can tell, i haven't looked too much at the code for it :) |
| 00:44.28 | bleeter | dunno, I suspect it should, tho that may cause problems in other areas, I dunno really, I'm just a crash test dummy for Auc as well as norganna's sysadmin ;) |
| 00:44.42 | cHao | :) |
| 00:44.54 | bleeter | cHao: feel free to idle and ask questions in #norganna, we're always on the lookout for well formed questions/input/advice etc. :) |
| 00:45.07 | Codayus | Random question: Anyone know a decent "open all mail/get all attachments" mod that works with Auctioneer? |
| 00:45.16 | JoshBorke | Codayus: i use CT_MailMod |
| 00:45.19 | JoshBorke | have no problems |
| 00:45.26 | malreth | why does it need to work with Auctioneer, in particular? |
| 00:45.45 | Codayus | malreth: Because I use auctioneer, and one of the mods I tried got crosswise with auctioneer. |
| 00:45.47 | bleeter | we did have a few issues there for a while between Beancounter and various mail mods, they seem to have been largely resolved now tho. |
| 00:45.55 | Nechckn | CT Mailmod is really smooth with nearly everything |
| 00:46.05 | bleeter | Codayus: jira.norganna.org for bug reports :) |
| 00:46.21 | Thunder_Child | or bitch @ bleeter |
| 00:46.31 | Codayus | I suspect it might have more to do with the mail mox, but that's not a bad idea either... |
| 00:46.34 | bleeter | who'll just say 'nfi i'm just sysadmin' |
| 00:46.58 | Codayus | (Was BulkMail2Inbox, if anyone is curious.) |
| 00:47.26 | Thunder_Child | no one ever did seem to get a return mail mod working |
| 00:47.42 | sag_ich_nicht | retribution paladin here maybe that already engaged zul'jin? have a question about phase 2 |
| 00:48.35 | Codayus | It breaks Beancounter quite well. Spams you with a million "don't touch the mailbox" messages, adds incorrect data to the Beancounter db, and then gets stuck in a loop so it opens all subsequent mail until you relog or disable the addon. >< |
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| 00:49.17 | cHao | fun fun. |
| 00:49.41 | bleeter | Codayus: hmm, yeah, #norganna ;) |
| 00:49.46 | bleeter | or our jira |
| 00:49.51 | Corrodias | ah yes, ct_mailmod. i need to update and re-enable it. |
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| 00:51.04 | Codayus | I'd deleted ct_mailmod when the last round of mail improvements went live, since I mostly used it for mass mail. |
| 00:51.18 | cHao | i wouldn't be surprised if it was a problem with the mail addon though. probably freaks out that the beancounter frame shows for a second before the mail list does, or something. |
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| 00:51.32 | Codayus | But it turns out an "open all" button is a surprisingly annoying thing to not have on an AH mule |
| 00:51.38 | Nechckn | the shift clicking to open a message and snag the loot is heavenly though. =) |
| 00:52.51 | cHao | shift clicking? |
| 00:53.06 | Thunder_Child | shift + clicking.... |
| 00:53.23 | cHao | i got that much. :) didn't realize it did anything though |
| 00:53.32 | Nechckn | With CT_MailMod.. you hold shift and click each mail item that has stuff attached and it automatically just nabs the goods and places them in your bag |
| 00:53.59 | cHao | ahh. sounds like something i might wanna check out :) |
| 00:54.01 | Nechckn | like Open All but per message |
| 00:55.16 | cHao | i really oughta just have a bank/ah alt myself....but i'm already at 10 on my server... :P |
| 00:57.23 | art3mis | hrm i wonder how painful this is gonna be |
| 00:57.56 | Thunder_Child | art3mis, it's not with it...it's ok that guys dont wax |
| 00:57.57 | art3mis | longhorn server 2008+exchange2007 w/communication server 2007 |
| 00:58.07 | cHao | lol! |
| 00:58.21 | art3mis | on 1 gig and a 1.8ghz amd32bit ;P |
| 00:58.41 | cHao | eh. just shoot yourself now and save yourself the misery. |
| 00:58.41 | Thunder_Child | well the first 3 were fine....but ugh at the last 3 |
| 00:58.55 | art3mis | tc: heh |
| 00:58.59 | art3mis | yeah |
| 00:59.05 | art3mis | i wanna see how it "performs" |
| 00:59.31 | Nechckn | I can save you the trouble- slow =) |
| 00:59.35 | cHao | :) |
| 00:59.41 | art3mis | "Your mouse has moved. Please restart windows for the changes to take effect." |
| 00:59.54 | cHao | sounds about right :) |
| 01:04.47 | cHao | ok....i've found what is apparently a huge table of vendor prices. now, if only i knew which numbers corresponded to the bandages... :P |
| 01:05.21 | bleeter | grep is your friend :P |
| 01:06.01 | sioraiocht | anyone here know anyting about automated theorem proving? |
| 01:06.37 | cHao | grep isn't too useful here. it's all numbers. |
| 01:06.57 | art3mis | sioraiocht: get robots to prove things for you ;P |
| 01:06.59 | malreth | probably item IDs |
| 01:07.05 | cHao | that's my guess |
| 01:10.00 | cHao | heh....thottbot has the auction value for clefthoof ribs as almost 1081g |
| 01:10.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | paging Dr Wobin |
| 01:12.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | hrm |
| 01:12.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | my fuxpfu is royally broken and it looks like it hasn't been updated in almost a year D: |
| 01:12.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | over a year, that is |
| 01:13.58 | cHao | oooo....will a vendor buy stuff for different prices as your rep changes? |
| 01:14.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | nope |
| 01:14.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | that'd be too exploitable |
| 01:15.02 | cHao | i dunno about exploitable, but it'd definitely complicate price checks.... :P |
| 01:15.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | well actually, no i guess it wouldn't |
| 01:15.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | since it'd be like |
| 01:15.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | since vendors only buy stuff at 25% of the sell value |
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| 01:17.13 | cHao | but the sell values change as rep does... :P |
| 01:17.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | well, the base sell price i'm saying |
| 01:18.58 | malreth | i thought they only buy back at 1/5th |
| 01:22.20 | MentalPower | lua> print{} |
| 01:22.20 | lua_bot | MentalPower: { } (#1) |
| 01:26.30 | bleeter | this lack of additional gossip stuff is great, 'cept for one thing |
| 01:26.42 | bleeter | trainers no longer seem to tell folks where the next lvl trainer is :/ |
| 01:26.51 | bleeter | or a higher lvl trainer |
| 01:27.01 | Thunder_Child | Divx is giving away free pro versions if anyone is interested http://www.divx.com/dff/index.php |
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| 01:31.10 | Thunder_Child | very cool http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/gadgets/disappearing-car-door-revolutionizes-paparazzi-upskirt-photos-333706.php |
| 01:37.23 | cHao | pretty cool. :) |
| 01:37.34 | cHao | if that door breaks, though....eh. |
| 01:38.34 | cHao | i see the owners of those cars spending quite a bit of money on paint jobs, too... |
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| 01:39.12 | Thunder_Child | if it goes into production they wild have holsters...just like the truck example |
| 01:42.43 | NightHawkTheSane | boobs on the mind? |
| 01:43.00 | bleeter | more than likely |
| 01:43.06 | NightHawkTheSane | as it should be. |
| 01:43.40 | Thunder_Child | because i misyped would with wild and you read wild |
| 01:43.45 | Thunder_Child | ... |
| 01:44.43 | Thunder_Child | damit, lightroom keeps randomly poping up |
| 01:46.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | if i had one of those |
| 01:46.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'd make it make star trek door noises |
| 01:46.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | WOOSH |
| 01:48.20 | NightHawkTheSane | nah, it's not smooth or high-tech enough. you want the b5 door noises, |
| 01:48.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | maybe doom door noises |
| 01:48.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | VROOOOOMTHUNK |
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| 01:52.44 | bleeter | wild hooters... hmmm |
| 01:54.19 | NightHawkTheSane | hooter? i hardly know her. |
| 01:54.38 | bleeter | ~rimshot |
| 01:54.39 | purl | ba-dum CHH |
| 01:57.08 | MentalPower | whats a good (read cheap) place to buy an APC UPS? |
| 01:58.18 | foxlit | armored personnel carriers are expensive :( |
| 01:59.14 | NightHawkTheSane | indeed. |
| 01:59.22 | NightHawkTheSane | and you wouldn't really want a cheap one anyway |
| 01:59.28 | MentalPower | ~lart foxlit |
| 01:59.28 | purl | hits foxlit with an anvil and laughs with a contralto voice ... Haha Ha HA Ha |
| 01:59.34 | MentalPower | ~lart NightHawkTheSane |
| 01:59.34 | purl | DoSes NightHawkTheSane |
| 01:59.36 | MentalPower | :) |
| 01:59.42 | NightHawkTheSane | .. We probably deserved that. :) |
| 02:00.15 | Thunder_Child | ~nuke MentalPower |
| 02:00.16 | purl | ACTION prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at MentalPower ... B☢☢M! |
| 02:00.29 | MentalPower | ~whaleblock me |
| 02:00.30 | purl | ACTION shields mentalpower with a freakishly huger whale named ollywag |
| 02:01.12 | Thunder_Child | you know...i never actually *see* purl fire the nukes.... |
| 02:01.12 | foxlit | ooh, nuclear warning signs in unicode? |
| 02:01.12 | MentalPower | yup |
| 02:01.12 | foxlit | wonder if they'll update for "danger, radiation" |
| 02:01.37 | foxlit | http://fullygeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/newrad.jpg |
| 02:01.49 | foxlit | Good luck fitting that in 12pt font! |
| 02:01.54 | Thunder_Child | DANGER WILL ROBINSON, DANGER |
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| 02:12.44 | bleeter | cHao: oh yeah, the other crazy thing folks will do on the AH, is list grey items with no b/o and very small starting bid. hence, I just sold a grey gun to vendor for 1g50s, bid was 48c ;) |
| 02:13.55 | bleeter | it's basically 'free gold whilst more or less afk making coffee' ;) |
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| 02:14.57 | NightHawkTheSane | o_0 |
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| 02:23.56 | Rayne | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DCmr4JnjEU |
| 02:23.57 | Rayne | yup |
| 02:27.02 | Tem | ahahahaha |
| 02:27.08 | Tem | I haven't seen that episode |
| 02:27.16 | Tem | RELEASE THE KITTIES! |
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| 02:29.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | i love that episode |
| 02:31.50 | bleeter | lol @ hortus ... I swear one can tell how close PTR is to going live by his apparent grump level http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3389611528&postId=33489509294&sid=1#2 |
| 02:32.02 | bleeter | I'm just pissed off I didn't get to post what he said before he locked it |
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| 02:36.01 | MentalPower | ~calm hortus |
| 02:36.02 | purl | ACTION sooths hortus, offers a backrub, tea, a jacuzzi and anything else that might help calm hortus down. |
| 02:36.16 | bleeter | kinky, purl |
| 02:36.28 | MentalPower | I like this one: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3407472231&sid=1 |
| 02:36.38 | MentalPower | "I am deleting posts and banning posters who can not follow the PTR forum rules. This is your only warning." |
| 02:37.08 | bleeter | I like how it's superceded by a stick of the same content http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3407472450&sid=1 |
| 02:38.28 | bleeter | I wonder what Santa's bringing Hortus & Slouken for Christmas... damn long lie in I hope :D |
| 02:38.56 | sag_ich_nicht | AnduinLothar |
| 02:39.04 | AnduinLothar | ? |
| 02:39.10 | sag_ich_nicht | did you engage zul'jin yet |
| 02:39.17 | AnduinLothar | no |
| 02:39.17 | MentalPower | I remember a few patches ago iriel sent slouken & company cookies |
| 02:39.20 | sag_ich_nicht | well fuck |
| 02:39.22 | sag_ich_nicht | you better |
| 02:39.28 | AnduinLothar | ? |
| 02:39.34 | sag_ich_nicht | phase 3 |
| 02:39.40 | sag_ich_nicht | i wanna know if crusader strike triggers the damage |
| 02:40.00 | sag_ich_nicht | i'm sure SoC, judgement etc. are going to |
| 02:40.00 | AnduinLothar | my guild doesn't do za |
| 02:40.09 | sag_ich_nicht | well that is uncool |
| 02:40.11 | sag_ich_nicht | :( |
| 02:40.17 | AnduinLothar | we're working on bt hijal |
| 02:41.26 | bleeter | MentalPower: wonder if it's too late to organise some TimTams for them |
| 02:41.39 | MentalPower | prolly not |
| 02:41.48 | bleeter | MentalPower: they'd be in our pockets 24/7 for eternity if we can swing it ;) |
| 02:41.55 | MentalPower | does Amazon carry timtams? |
| 02:42.01 | bleeter | prolly not |
| 02:42.12 | bleeter | I believe there's some market down SF way that sells them |
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| 02:43.44 | bleeter | ah, not necessarily SF.. that's just where they started. 'Cost Plus World Market' |
| 02:44.02 | bleeter | so sez wikipedia |
| 02:44.26 | bleeter | MentalPower: http://www.worldmarket.com/Arnotts-Biscuits/lev/4/productId/4726/Ntt/timtam/Ntx/mode+matchallpartial/Ntk/Def/N/0/Nty/1/index.pro |
| 02:44.27 | MentalPower | http://www.worldmarket.com/Arnotts-Biscuits/lev/4/productId/4726/Ntt/Tim%20Tams/Ntx/mode+matchallpartial/Ntk/Def/N/0/Nty/1/index.pro |
| 02:44.30 | bleeter | lolz |
| 02:44.31 | MentalPower | :P |
| 02:44.58 | bleeter | instore only.. so now gotta find someone willing to go purchase, and able to NOT EAT them =)) |
| 02:45.14 | MentalPower | thats gonna be hard |
| 02:46.03 | bleeter | someone allergic to choc |
| 02:49.38 | bleeter | MentalPower: I see we have 0 takers.. maybe we should offer a pickup/delivery bonus pack ;) |
| 02:49.52 | MentalPower | lol |
| 02:50.07 | MentalPower | I would do it, but I'm not anywhere near CA |
| 02:50.31 | bleeter | yer a damn site closer to me.. so start flapping yer arms boyo! |
| 02:50.37 | bleeter | er s/to/than/ |
| 02:51.38 | MentalPower | lol |
| 02:55.38 | sysrage | god fucking damnit. Akil'zon is such a fucking bullshit fight |
| 02:57.22 | sysrage | is there a trick we just don't know? he always fucking does that stupid distortion bullshit right when we need to group up for the storm |
| 02:58.16 | NightHawkTheSane | he does the distortion fairly constantly, it just sucks when you have to group up *shrug* |
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| 02:58.41 | sysrage | we had a flawless attempt just now. wiped at 10% because of it. there isn't shit you can do |
| 02:59.05 | NightHawkTheSane | *shrug* heal better? |
| 02:59.21 | sysrage | maybe that's our problem i guess. we do have a new healer with us |
| 02:59.24 | JoshBorke | sysrage: if he does the static discharge he won't be doing storm for 5 seconds, or so i've seemed to notice |
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| 03:01.11 | mattswell | is it better to have a table with 100 subtables (trying to be OO about this) or instead have about 10 tables with 100 items each? |
| 03:01.34 | mattswell | i seem to be eating a lot of memory and very fast |
| 03:04.04 | Dreagar | OK. i'm havin trouble, and can't figure it out, been beatin on it for a while now. might i obtain some advice? |
| 03:04.31 | Dreagar | http://wowi.pastey.net/78979 |
| 03:04.37 | Dreagar | pastey. now problem is. |
| 03:04.41 | JoshBorke | mattswell: http://www.wowwiki.com/Lua_object_memory_sizes |
| 03:04.57 | sysrage | josh: just proved your theory wrong. he did discharge then immediately did a storm |
| 03:05.14 | JoshBorke | sysrage: well there you have it |
| 03:05.15 | sysrage | and we wiped yet again |
| 03:05.35 | Dreagar | I have on the StepFrame two buttons StepPrev, and StepNext. they each have a function they perform when they are clicked. |
| 03:05.50 | Dreagar | the functions are at the end, and are self explanatory. |
| 03:06.37 | Dreagar | basically, when you click the button, it cycles either forward or backward a step in the list of steps in the third dropdown. |
| 03:06.45 | Dreagar | it works! very well as a matter of fact. |
| 03:07.00 | Dreagar | until you open and then close the map. then the button doesn't change the step at all. |
| 03:07.40 | Dreagar | if you see, there's a couple debuggers in there, and the selected value changes, but the value of the dropdown no longer changes, and neither does the stuff in teh stepframe. any ideas? |
| 03:08.09 | Dreagar | can't understand why it would work fine unless you open and close the map. |
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| 03:17.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | so, have there been any nifty addons popping up in the last month or two? :O |
| 03:17.37 | bleeter | MentalPower: fwiw, apparently for the UK folks, you can get your local Tesco's supermarket to order them in from their warehouse |
| 03:17.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's hard to keep up with some of the real nifty stuff |
| 03:17.58 | MentalPower | bleeter: interesting |
| 03:18.12 | bleeter | MentalPower: still gotta purchase instore, tho |
| 03:20.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | mail him a box full of huntsmen spiders |
| 03:27.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | are there any addons out there that are receiving updates at least semi-frequently that let me check to see if i don't have a specific spell on my bar? i know vault does but it's probably going to get nuked sooner than later and it's discontinued :[ |
| 03:27.43 | Thunder_Child | uhh...cant you just look at your bar andd see if a speel is there? |
| 03:27.54 | Thunder_Child | i so can not type |
| 03:27.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | no because i have many hidden bars and whatnot |
| 03:28.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | ones with bindings and stuff that's hidden |
| 03:28.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's kind of a pain to go through every bar and my entire spellbook |
| 03:28.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | if there was an addon that hid lower ranks of spells perhaps i could then |
| 03:29.01 | Thunder_Child | hid them from where? |
| 03:29.04 | NightHawkTheSane | you could probably write a macro to do that. >.> or at least a quick and dirty addon |
| 03:29.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | visually, Thunder_Child |
| 03:29.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | via bartender |
| 03:29.25 | Thunder_Child | bt plugin? |
| 03:29.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | no, just by hiding the bar |
| 03:29.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | no plugin |
| 03:29.40 | Thunder_Child | isnt it slightly modular? |
| 03:29.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | afaik it's in the base bartender |
| 03:30.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh |
| 03:30.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | you're asking if there's a bt plugin that does that? |
| 03:30.10 | Dreagar | didn't wow include something in a previous update that automatically updates the rank of spells on your bars? |
| 03:30.19 | Thunder_Child | not asking, telling you to make it |
| 03:30.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | yes, it updates ranks |
| 03:30.24 | greppy | Yes, if they are on a bar already. |
| 03:30.26 | NightHawkTheSane | thats not what he's asking, though |
| 03:30.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | i can't code worth a crap, Thunder_Child |
| 03:30.35 | Thunder_Child | oh |
| 03:31.03 | NightHawkTheSane | It sounds like it'd be a simple matter of iterating through <insert action bar addon>'s buttons, and checking what spell is assigned |
| 03:31.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | i hop between alts i haven't played in a year or more sometimes |
| 03:31.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | and forget that i didn't put a spell on a bar or whatever |
| 03:31.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | and miss it because it's rank after rank after rank of spells in the spellbook |
| 03:32.56 | bleeter | yup, it'd be nice if one could export the bar from one toon, and install it on another (of the same class, obviously) |
| 03:33.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't see why that wouldn't be possible |
| 03:33.28 | NightHawkTheSane | you could certainly do it with a bar setup |
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| 03:33.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's a good idea actually bleeter |
| 03:33.49 | NightHawkTheSane | but with assigned spells, unless both toons have exactly the same set of availible spells, it gets tricky |
| 03:33.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | make a actionbar profiler |
| 03:34.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | so you can use the profiles of popular players!!1 |
| 03:34.31 | NightHawkTheSane | and, isn't placing/removing spells from action bars blocked to addons? |
| 03:34.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | but seriously it wouldn't be a bad idea to have one that you could set up profiles in advance |
| 03:34.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | is it? i know it is in combat |
| 03:34.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | out of combat i dont see why it would be |
| 03:35.11 | NightHawkTheSane | well, i mean, i don't know if an addon can autonomously do it, without user interaction |
| 03:35.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | so i could set up my mage's bars at level 1 |
| 03:35.29 | NightHawkTheSane | s/user interaction/individual hardware events for each move/ |
| 03:35.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | with a bunch of fake spellbuttons |
| 03:35.37 | Dreagar | MazzleUi does something like that bleeter |
| 03:35.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | and as i level, it puts the spells in those positions |
| 03:35.53 | Dreagar | in conjunction with Bongos |
| 03:35.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | or tells me where to put them, either way |
| 03:36.49 | bleeter | dunno exactly how it'd work, all I know it's a pain in the arse switching between a couple of my reasonably-mature toons, and my mains, and the buttons aren't quite the same 'coz I'm too freakin' lazy to take screenshots and do it all manually ;) |
| 03:36.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah |
| 03:37.03 | bleeter | different realms, you see |
| 03:37.15 | bleeter | even same realm, opposing faction, would be handy |
| 03:37.43 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, if you can pull it off, it'd certainly be useful |
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| 03:37.47 | bleeter | Dreagar: seems a bit overkill for something that, just by talking about, seems fairly simple ;) |
| 03:38.15 | bleeter | tho I'd prolly me asking the usual suspects about it first ;) |
| 03:38.16 | Dreagar | oh i know. but at least there's a place to look to see how to do it. :D |
| 03:38.27 | bleeter | er s/me/be/ |
| 03:38.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | but yeah that's a nice idea bleeter |
| 03:38.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | even if it doesn't actually put the buttons there |
| 03:38.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | but puts like |
| 03:39.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | an underlay |
| 03:39.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | under your bar |
| 03:39.10 | AnduinLothar | Shad of akama is still bugged. he went down liek a sack of rocks |
| 03:39.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | so you know what to move where |
| 03:39.11 | bleeter | or just leave it blank, until the spell's known |
| 03:39.45 | bleeter | AnduinLothar: u h4x0ring again? ;) |
| 03:39.56 | AnduinLothar | u distract the adds and they despawn |
| 03:40.10 | NightHawkTheSane | a translucent underlay or overlay would work, and probably be not too hard to do. |
| 03:40.11 | bleeter | hax! new it! |
| 03:40.12 | AnduinLothar | free loots |
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| 03:41.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | i wish i knew what addon was breaking when i logged out |
| 03:41.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | i hear the noise of improvederrorframe beep every time i logout |
| 03:41.50 | mattswell | bugsack records bugs to savedvariables i believe |
| 03:41.52 | Kelfarr | ugh we downed nightbane and netherspite, nightbane drops 2 healing gear this new healer in mostly greens gets both, netherspite drops 2 plate gear, we have no plate wearers it gets sharded... |
| 03:41.57 | mattswell | unless it gets unloaded first :) |
| 03:41.57 | bleeter | Mr_Rabies2: use Swatter, or similar, and check the SV file after complete exit |
| 03:42.25 | bleeter | yeah, bugsack and swatter, and what mattswell said ;) |
| 03:42.41 | mattswell | speaking of.. |
| 03:42.48 | mattswell | is there a way to specify the order that addons load? |
| 03:43.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | name, kinda |
| 03:43.13 | mattswell | is that why addons have ! |
| 03:43.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | yup |
| 03:45.02 | mattswell | neat |
| 03:45.08 | mattswell | i have a pretty nasty sorting function |
| 03:45.15 | mattswell | anyone care to help me clean it up mem/cpu wise? |
| 03:45.24 | malreth | pastey it |
| 03:45.28 | mattswell | http://lua.pastey.net/78982 <--- |
| 03:45.36 | mattswell | few notes at the top |
| 03:45.45 | bleeter | whoa, upcoming turbulence! woot! ;) |
| 03:45.57 | mattswell | it's called with args if i want to change the sorting method, called without if i want to resort (as on insert) |
| 03:46.30 | mattswell | i'd rather do a binary sort on insert, but i need to sort by many different things |
| 03:47.20 | malreth | unrelated question... does SortSpotted() have to take a variable argument like that? |
| 03:47.53 | malreth | aside from the local method = select(1, ...) i don't see you using ... anywhere else in the function |
| 03:47.53 | mattswell | i guess i could call SortSpotted(nil) if i wanted to do without the select |
| 03:48.12 | mattswell | oh wait |
| 03:48.23 | mattswell | if i call SortSpotted, method would be nil wouldn't it |
| 03:48.26 | malreth | as it is, i just don't know why you don't declare it as function SortSpotted(method) |
| 03:48.34 | mattswell | bleh i'm not awesome with lua yet |
| 03:48.56 | malreth | yeah. you only use ... if you *need* a variable number of arguments |
| 03:49.06 | mattswell | alright |
| 03:49.16 | malreth | key emphasis on *need* |
| 03:49.27 | mattswell | i wasn't sure if it would die if i had function SortSpotted(method) and i called SortSpotted() |
| 03:49.44 | mattswell | but i see even if it did die |
| 03:49.50 | mattswell | i could just use nil |
| 03:49.53 | mattswell | anyway, that aside :D |
| 03:49.56 | malreth | kk |
| 03:50.00 | mattswell | i could do this another way |
| 03:50.12 | mattswell | have a separate table for each attribute i am storing |
| 03:50.27 | mattswell | sorting each on insert |
| 03:50.58 | mattswell | using names as keys |
| 03:51.06 | mattswell | that'd use a bit more memory.. |
| 03:51.59 | Dreagar | well. phew. |
| 03:52.02 | Dreagar | i'm all done. |
| 03:52.24 | Dreagar | except for the crazy lil problem with the map, and puttin more data in the table. i'm done my levelguide addon. well v1. |
| 03:53.58 | Dreagar | don't worry tho. still workin thru Pil. hehe |
| 03:54.14 | Dreagar | i'm sure i'll be sittin around pickin yer brains while in the hospital. |
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| 03:58.07 | mattswell | does blizz implement a C-like switch function |
| 03:58.11 | mattswell | or do i need to write my own |
| 03:58.49 | dylanm | Lua does not have such a thing, no. |
| 03:58.51 | malreth | you can either use a chain of if-elseif statements or you can use a table of functions to switch execution |
| 03:59.17 | mattswell | was wondering if blizzard had added one on their own |
| 03:59.24 | mattswell | tables it is |
| 03:59.28 | malreth | the table of functions requires some setup but it'll execute in constant time |
| 03:59.53 | Dreagar | ok gotta go toss the kid in bed. talk to you all tommorrow. :D |
| 04:00.00 | malreth | you commonly see such a technique used with event handling in UIs |
| 04:00.25 | malreth | you use the event string as the key and a function as the value |
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| 04:01.08 | mattswell | i hate it when making code more efficient makes it uglier on paper |
| 04:01.14 | malreth | switch = { ADDON_LOADED = somefunc, PLAYER_LOGIN = someotherfunc } |
| 04:01.26 | malreth | actually, it can look quite elegant |
| 04:01.30 | mattswell | ah |
| 04:01.32 | mattswell | not that |
| 04:01.41 | mattswell | i've got a for loop that does a bunch of if statements |
| 04:01.50 | malreth | ah.. |
| 04:01.57 | mattswell | i could instead do a bunch of if statements with for inside each |
| 04:02.04 | mattswell | test once, loop a million |
| 04:02.12 | malreth | you can take advantage of lua's syntactic sugar for the switch table |
| 04:02.20 | mattswell | instead of loop a million and test a million+ |
| 04:02.32 | malreth | something like function switch.ADDON_LOADED () ... end |
| 04:02.41 | mattswell | mm |
| 04:02.49 | malreth | just make sure you've defined switch = {} somewhere earlier |
| 04:03.29 | malreth | or, instead of having a separate table... some people just make one table as a sort of namespace for their addon |
| 04:03.35 | mattswell | i could use a switch |
| 04:03.36 | malreth | and put all of their functions inside of that |
| 04:03.40 | mattswell | but this only occurs once |
| 04:03.46 | mattswell | and i won't ever reuse the cases |
| 04:03.54 | mattswell | so it seems like more setup |
| 04:03.58 | mattswell | for nothing |
| 04:04.25 | malreth | yeah... hence their use in event handling code... that gets called all the time so you'd want it to be efficient |
| 04:04.31 | mattswell | yeah |
| 04:04.40 | mattswell | well hmm |
| 04:04.48 | mattswell | http://lua.pastey.net/78982 |
| 04:04.58 | mattswell | i have two places there i could use a switch |
| 04:05.36 | mattswell | but the functions are different since the first set is ascending and the second set is descending |
| 04:05.47 | malreth | well... i'm too distracted right now to really grok your function |
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| 04:05.51 | mattswell | :D |
| 04:05.53 | mattswell | no prob |
| 04:05.53 | malreth | but here's my initial impressions |
| 04:06.04 | malreth | line 22 makes me itchy |
| 04:06.22 | malreth | table.insert() is expensive |
| 04:06.27 | mattswell | really |
| 04:06.52 | malreth | and you're calling it n-number of times where n is #APB.spottedList |
| 04:06.59 | mattswell | i'm turning a dictionary table into an array of keys |
| 04:07.04 | malreth | yah |
| 04:07.23 | mattswell | does # work with dictionary tables? |
| 04:07.27 | malreth | it'd require refactoring your code... but if you could avoid having to do that, it'd be ideal |
| 04:08.25 | malreth | or at the very least, don't use table.insert() |
| 04:09.04 | mattswell | i can do a for loop and use t[i] = k |
| 04:09.16 | malreth | yes... that would probably be a good start |
| 04:09.50 | malreth | there's probably an even better way but it would require a redesign of your APB.spottedList table |
| 04:09.55 | malreth | and testing... |
| 04:10.28 | malreth | anyways... as for lines 23-56... there's a lot of nearly duplicated code |
| 04:10.44 | malreth | that could probably be reduced to something a little more generic |
| 04:10.49 | mattswell | yeah |
| 04:11.11 | malreth | phone |
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| 04:17.10 | malreth | what are these BR, BC, and BZL tables for? |
| 04:17.54 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+v Shirik] by ChanServ |
| 04:17.59 | malreth | finished with finals, Shirik? |
| 04:18.16 | Shirik | no |
| 04:18.21 | Shirik | well, yes, but not why I'm cheering |
| 04:18.38 | Shirik | If you were here earlier you would know I destroyed a $500 piece of equipment |
| 04:18.47 | Shirik | After about 6 hours of EE work I repaired it though :D |
| 04:18.52 | Shirik | and 2 trips to radio shack later.. |
| 04:19.08 | malreth | did you spill lemonade on it? |
| 04:19.23 | Shirik | no I crossed a 9V wire with a 5V one |
| 04:19.29 | malreth | >_< |
| 04:19.39 | Shirik | which resulted in 14V being sent through a TTL device, which wasn't fun |
| 04:19.45 | Shirik | It wasn't my fault though, it was timmy's! |
| 04:19.49 | malreth | zzzap |
| 04:19.51 | Shirik | he didn't realize the bot would shake |
| 04:19.57 | Shirik | and that there was a chance for the wires to touch |
| 04:22.08 | malreth | the girl is home from work... time to take her measurements... |
| 04:22.15 | MentalPower | lua> os.date |
| 04:22.16 | lua_bot | MentalPower: function: 0x806e698 |
| 04:22.21 | MentalPower | lua> os.date("") |
| 04:22.22 | lua_bot | MentalPower: , |
| 04:22.27 | MentalPower | lua> os.date("%R") |
| 04:22.28 | lua_bot | MentalPower: 23:22, |
| 04:22.51 | MentalPower | lua> string.format("%%q", os.date("%R")) |
| 04:22.51 | lua_bot | MentalPower: %q, |
| 04:23.00 | MentalPower | lua> string.format("%q", os.date("%R")) |
| 04:23.00 | lua_bot | MentalPower: "23:23", |
| 04:23.09 | MentalPower | ok... |
| 04:23.18 | MentalPower | so its my Lua thats f'ed up |
| 04:35.48 | kd3 | oh wow |
| 04:35.54 | kd3 | "* Reduced network latency by disabling the Nagle algorithm." |
| 04:37.29 | art3mis | well that makes me sad |
| 04:37.51 | art3mis | exchange 2007 wont install on longhorn |
| 04:38.13 | art3mis | surpriosingly though server 2008 doesnt run like complete crap on 1gig |
| 04:38.18 | Thunder_Child | shove it |
| 04:45.25 | Thunder_Child | as in force install exchange on it |
| 04:54.39 | bleeter | hai kd3 :D |
| 04:54.45 | kd3 | herro |
| 04:54.46 | bleeter | kd3: you still hate net? |
| 04:55.25 | kd3 | negative. I'm at my parents' place for a month. now I get net access whenever dad isn't VPNing to the office |
| 04:55.39 | kd3 | but woo for non-laggy connection for a change |
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| 05:00.47 | kd3 | oh bleeter, you see this yet? http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Patch_2.3.2&diff=1037498&oldid=1037486 |
| 05:07.07 | mattswell | hmm |
| 05:07.16 | mattswell | my switch table doesn't work correctly |
| 05:07.25 | mattswell | yet it seems like it would :D |
| 05:07.26 | mattswell | http://lua.pastey.net/78984 |
| 05:07.33 | kd3 | new ptr client (though the realms still aren't up...)! new build: 7705. diffs at http://spyglass-server.com/wowints/ |
| 05:07.38 | bleeter | kd3: didn't know it was official |
| 05:07.40 | Shirik | sooooo |
| 05:07.47 | Shirik | this is a quite from my realtime final: |
| 05:07.55 | bleeter | kd3: new patch notes? |
| 05:07.56 | Thunder_Child | quote? |
| 05:08.00 | kd3 | yup, got added to the official patchnotes today iirc |
| 05:08.03 | bleeter | whoa |
| 05:08.09 | kd3 | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/patchnotes/test-realm-patchnotes.html |
| 05:08.37 | Shirik | "Write a sequence of code that executes a function skywalker(). If skywalker() does not complete within 5 milliseconds, cancel the call and output the message 'Welcome to the dark side.' Otherwise, output the time it took to run." |
| 05:08.47 | Shirik | My professor is a nutcase >< |
| 05:08.59 | Thunder_Child | a good one though |
| 05:09.01 | kd3 | heh. was in the process of typing "prof with a poor sense of humor?" |
| 05:09.10 | Shirik | he's awesome though |
| 05:11.06 | bleeter | well, looks like they fixed the spawn *rate* of gasclouds on live servers |
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| 05:11.23 | bleeter | f#$@#$s are still spawning in inaccesible positions in nagrand, tho |
| 05:11.56 | bleeter | if I weren't a mage with slowfall, I'd be pretty pissed off about now, what with the falling off floating mounds I've done trying to reach them |
| 05:12.06 | sag_ich_nicht | LOLL |
| 05:12.08 | sag_ich_nicht | *LOL |
| 05:12.19 | sag_ich_nicht | lol@disabling of nagle's |
| 05:12.46 | bleeter | seem to recall Nagle's even saying it's pretty fubar to use that algo these days, in most respects |
| 05:13.00 | bleeter | just that he can't be bothered rewriting |
| 05:13.05 | bleeter | or maybe that was someone else |
| 05:13.09 | kd3 | yup. the slashdot comment where he said that's in the linked thread I put on the wiki |
| 05:14.04 | bleeter | well, I think Blizz should give Yarre several large serves of pie for bringing this to their attention ;) |
| 05:16.34 | mattswell | heh |
| 05:17.19 | Arrowmaster | wtf is the nagle algorithm? |
| 05:17.31 | mattswell | heh |
| 05:17.50 | mattswell | its for networking |
| 05:17.56 | mattswell | for window sizes |
| 05:18.06 | Shirik | oh god |
| 05:18.06 | mattswell | makes sure you don't have silly windows |
| 05:18.07 | Shirik | please |
| 05:18.14 | Shirik | I just took my telecomms final |
| 05:18.16 | Shirik | no more |
| 05:18.32 | mattswell | i had my comp networking final last monday :D |
| 05:18.56 | Shirik | yeah but I bet that dealt with the high levels of OSI |
| 05:19.17 | mattswell | we covered all networking layers |
| 05:19.30 | Shirik | "covered" but which did you spend a reasonable amount of time on :) |
| 05:19.35 | mattswell | hell no |
| 05:19.41 | mattswell | was only a 400-level class :D |
| 05:19.44 | mattswell | not in grad school |
| 05:19.51 | Shirik | mine was too |
| 05:19.55 | bleeter | Shirik: lol @ silly windows |
| 05:20.10 | Shirik | but we dealt with the lower levels. Didn't touch anything above transport |
| 05:20.15 | mattswell | but i do know what nagle's algorithm is ;) |
| 05:20.19 | Shirik | physical and mac we spent the most time on |
| 05:20.26 | Shirik | yeah well nagle's algorithm is transport layer :P |
| 05:20.30 | Shirik | that's high in my book :P |
| 05:20.32 | mattswell | we went from physical to application |
| 05:20.32 | mattswell | so pretty broad |
| 05:20.39 | mattswell | heheh |
| 05:20.41 | mattswell | yeah |
| 05:20.48 | mattswell | you don't care about TCP packets |
| 05:20.50 | Shirik | I had to know all the components of ethernet bitcodes, etc. |
| 05:20.54 | mattswell | ugh |
| 05:21.00 | Shirik | preamble, differential manchester |
| 05:21.15 | Shirik | it helped though, tbh. In the project I'm working on right now I stole some ideas from ethernet to make it work :) |
| 05:21.15 | mattswell | PHASE KEY SHIFTING |
| 05:22.13 | Arrowmaster | i dont think we ever covered those kinda things in my networking classes |
| 05:22.17 | art3mis | my god it's the real santa! get him jesus! I help those who help themselves! |
| 05:22.32 | Shirik | But see that's it, my class isn't a networking class :) |
| 05:22.46 | Shirik | It's telecommunications. We also talked about radio waves, etc. |
| 05:22.50 | Arrowmaster | ah |
| 05:22.51 | mattswell | we covered encapsulating TCP packets in IP packets |
| 05:22.52 | Shirik | Computer engineering vs. CS/SE |
| 05:23.20 | mattswell | and transferring those TCP packets from one network to another, how the packets were unwrapped and rewrapped by the switch on the handoff |
| 05:23.21 | mattswell | fun fun |
| 05:23.26 | Arrowmaster | mine were CCNA classes |
| 05:23.32 | mattswell | compsci here |
| 05:23.48 | mattswell | we care about tcp :) |
| 05:24.10 | Shirik | We don't give a damn about TCP, we just make sure we do what you ask us to do :) |
| 05:24.27 | Shirik | Give me an IP and I'll get it there for you. I don't care what it is. |
| 05:27.56 | Shirik | anyway, night |
| 05:28.17 | bleeter | DAMNIT ANOTHER IMPOSSIBLE TO REACH GAS CLOUD AARGH!!!! |
| 05:29.14 | mattswell | logic is making my head hurt |
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| 05:31.20 | Shirik|zZz | <3 batrick |
| 05:31.29 | Shirik|zZz | we were just discussing the differences between CE and CS |
| 05:31.30 | batrick | hai friend |
| 05:31.35 | batrick | lulz |
| 05:31.53 | batrick | wat was the outcome? |
| 05:32.02 | Shirik|zZz | I don't think there was one |
| 05:32.07 | Shirik|zZz | what's your answer? |
| 05:32.20 | batrick | there are many differences, depending on the focuses |
| 05:32.39 | batrick | but comp E is obviously more concerned with hard ware, and has far more demanding curriculum |
| 05:32.47 | Shirik|zZz | Hey, batrick, I fried a $500 board today! |
| 05:32.55 | batrick | shortz r fun! |
| 05:32.57 | Shirik|zZz | Then I spent the next 6 hours doing research but I got it to work again |
| 05:33.01 | batrick | lol |
| 05:33.21 | Shirik|zZz | Glad I did that research too, it was just the diode that burned out |
| 05:34.13 | batrick | too much work |
| 05:34.30 | Shirik|zZz | well, if I didn't fix it, we'd need to wait about 5 days to be able to do more work |
| 05:34.34 | Shirik|zZz | which I didn't want to do |
| 05:34.36 | batrick | unless i c the diode break myself i'd just QQ and RMA |
| 05:34.57 | batrick | <- lazy |
| 05:35.39 | Shirik|zZz | yeah well I had until midnight in the lab |
| 05:35.47 | Shirik|zZz | what's the point of me not continuing to work :P |
| 05:35.48 | batrick | man i'm so pissed |
| 05:36.01 | batrick | matlab is the shittiest porgramming language |
| 05:36.08 | Shirik|zZz | it is |
| 05:36.09 | kd3 | yes, yes it is |
| 05:36.10 | batrick | wasted so much time today |
| 05:36.17 | Shirik|zZz | And someone's trying to say we should use it for our image recognition |
| 05:36.22 | batrick | LOL |
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| 05:36.33 | Shirik|zZz | I'm glad I have the argument "Matlab doesn't exist for any RTOS" and it's valid enough to convince them that we can't use it |
| 05:36.35 | batrick | tell him if he does the programming all by himself sure |
| 05:36.35 | Shirik|zZz | but we do have it working |
| 05:36.40 | Shirik|zZz | oh it's done |
| 05:36.48 | Shirik|zZz | we have two versions, one in java one in matlab |
| 05:36.50 | Shirik|zZz | both work |
| 05:36.56 | Shirik|zZz | the one in matlab eats a hel lof a lot of CPU time |
| 05:37.00 | Shirik|zZz | but it owrks |
| 05:37.11 | kd3 | I don't want to think about how you pulled that off in matlab |
| 05:37.17 | Shirik|zZz | I didn't ask either |
| 05:37.22 | batrick | haha |
| 05:37.26 | Shirik|zZz | I just said "cool" and left it at that |
| 05:37.29 | malreth | programming GUIs in matlab is terror itself |
| 05:37.32 | Shirik|zZz | I have my own problems >< |
| 05:37.44 | batrick | my friend got fucked by them too |
| 05:37.49 | Shirik|zZz | like finding a way to synchronize clocks on a serial connection |
| 05:37.51 | batrick | he bought the signals package |
| 05:38.02 | batrick | and because the bug fixes were in the next release they wouldn't fix it for him |
| 05:38.09 | batrick | said "he'd have to buy the next release" |
| 05:38.38 | Shirik|zZz | ow |
| 05:38.48 | mattswell | return APB.spottedList[a][5] > APB.spottedList[b][5] == APB.spottedListSort.dir == 1 |
| 05:38.58 | mattswell | do i need to enclose those in parenthesis? :D |
| 05:39.04 | batrick | no |
| 05:39.10 | Shirik|zZz | uh |
| 05:39.14 | Shirik|zZz | that doesn't do what you think it does |
| 05:39.15 | Shirik|zZz | I thinlk |
| 05:39.21 | batrick | it won't error |
| 05:39.26 | Shirik|zZz | it will always be false |
| 05:39.30 | batrick | true/false == value == 1 |
| 05:39.34 | batrick | will always be false |
| 05:39.37 | mattswell | bleh |
| 05:39.47 | mattswell | shouldn't work that way if it's got a good parser |
| 05:39.52 | batrick | ... |
| 05:39.53 | Shirik|zZz | it has a good parser |
| 05:39.59 | Shirik|zZz | it does exactly what the language says it does |
| 05:40.06 | Shirik|zZz | C works exactly the same way |
| 05:40.10 | batrick | lua's precedence is the same as C |
| 05:40.16 | batrick | and C is the most elegant fucking language on the planet |
| 05:40.18 | sag_ich_nicht | god damn it |
| 05:40.19 | batrick | so gtfo imo |
| 05:40.20 | batrick | :P |
| 05:40.20 | mattswell | :D |
| 05:40.40 | sag_ich_nicht | i am still laughting at this: # Reduced network latency by disabling the Nagle algorithm. |
| 05:40.51 | sag_ich_nicht | :X |
| 05:40.51 | Shirik|zZz | ? |
| 05:40.51 | Shirik|zZz | That's in WoW? |
| 05:41.02 | batrick | bbl |
| 05:41.06 | kd3 | I linked my edit adding it to the wiki's copy of the official patch notes earlier |
| 05:41.07 | batrick | hold the fort shirik |
| 05:41.10 | sag_ich_nicht | 2.3.2 we were talking about that earlier Shirik |
| 05:41.16 | Shirik|zZz | batrick: Going to sleep sorry |
| 05:41.22 | kd3 | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/patchnotes/test-realm-patchnotes.html |
| 05:41.23 | Shirik|zZz | sag_ich_nicht / kd3: That's just lol |
| 05:41.25 | batrick | casual |
| 05:41.25 | Shirik|zZz | anyway, night |
| 05:41.31 | sag_ich_nicht | Shirik: very |
| 05:41.59 | sag_ich_nicht | Shirik: i assume you DID see the thread on the tech support forums about it that caused this? (with NO bluepost) |
| 05:42.06 | mattswell | reduced latency by shirking nagle? :D |
| 05:42.39 | kd3 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3271071466&sid=1 |
| 05:42.45 | kd3 | ^ that one |
| 05:42.47 | Mike-N-Go | Humm.. I have a Belkin F8E850-OPT mouse, it has been working for the last few years, and decided today to draw to much power, and the USB hub it was attached to said so and shut it down.. says my Mac OS X system msg. |
| 05:43.42 | Shirik|zZz | hmmm |
| 05:43.46 | Shirik|zZz | I think I just heard a gunshot |
| 05:44.06 | sag_ich_nicht | Shirik|zZz: for really, or in response to that thread? |
| 05:44.12 | Shirik|zZz | really |
| 05:44.16 | sag_ich_nicht | 911 |
| 05:44.18 | kd3 | oO; |
| 05:44.27 | NightHawkTheSane | ... dammit, I missed. >.> |
| 05:44.30 | Shirik|zZz | there it is again |
| 05:44.32 | Shirik|zZz | wtf is that |
| 05:44.37 | sag_ich_nicht | call 911 now, idiot. |
| 05:44.55 | Thunder_Child | hah, there are places in LA where you get worried if you dont hear gunshots |
| 05:44.58 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik|zZz: it's me--- er.. someone.. failing to assassinate you. |
| 05:45.01 | MentalPower | lua> os.date("%a, %m %b %Y %H:%M:%S %z (%Z)") |
| 05:45.01 | lua_bot | MentalPower: Fri, 12 Dec 2007 00:45:01 -0500 (EST), |
| 05:45.09 | Shirik|zZz | I don't know what a gunshot sounds like, I could be going crazy. |
| 05:45.17 | MentalPower | lua_bot does not run on windows :) |
| 05:45.19 | sag_ich_nicht | nobody is going to blame you |
| 05:45.22 | Shirik|zZz | Then I call 911 and come and then they're like "you're a nutcase" |
| 05:45.26 | Shirik|zZz | and take me away |
| 05:45.28 | sag_ich_nicht | no, they're not |
| 05:45.30 | sag_ich_nicht | idiot |
| 05:45.41 | Thunder_Child | no you call them and say you may have heard a gunshot in the area |
| 05:45.48 | Thunder_Child | it's not a bad thing |
| 05:45.51 | sag_ich_nicht | exactly |
| 05:46.19 | Thunder_Child | better safe than sorry....seriously |
| 05:46.40 | Shirik|zZz | hm ok |
| 05:47.01 | Thunder_Child | they wont get mad at you for voicing a concern |
| 05:47.14 | Thunder_Child | they will just prolly send a squad car around to take a look |
| 05:47.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | <+Shirik|zZz> I think I just heard a gunshot |
| 05:47.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | i hear gunshots all the time, but i do live in semi-rural georgia :p |
| 05:48.04 | kd3 | yup, woo for shotguns and "semi-rural georgia" |
| 05:48.05 | Thunder_Child | thats inbread retarded hic....err...nvm |
| 05:48.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | they're not worth reporting out here because everyone possesses a gun regardless of if they use it |
| 05:48.39 | Thunder_Child | s/inbread/inbred/ |
| 05:52.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | um okay |
| 05:52.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | did they buff raptor strike or something |
| 05:53.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | because i just critted for 1100 at level 60 on my hunter |
| 05:54.02 | Thunder_Child | RTFPN! |
| 05:54.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | they probably won't even bother sending a squad car out Shirik|zZz :p |
| 05:54.49 | Thunder_Child | they might, lots of varibles |
| 05:54.59 | Thunder_Child | variables* |
| 05:56.56 | Shirik|zZz | "Well my friend keeps arguing that if I do install Ace and Ace2, my WOW would run with less resources. " |
| 05:57.02 | Shirik|zZz | I'm going to fricking shoot someone myself |
| 05:57.08 | Shirik|zZz | I'm going to sleep I think, night. |
| 05:57.24 | Thunder_Child | night Shirik|zZz, dont forget to upgrade your dreams to ace2 |
| 05:57.38 | Thunder_Child | (they will run faster) |
| 05:57.39 | bleeter | rofl |
| 05:58.12 | Shirik|zZz | and as one final note |
| 05:58.31 | Shirik|zZz | 07/FA Term 3.375 |
| 05:58.38 | Shirik|zZz | >< |
| 05:59.11 | Thunder_Child | i think i got 2 d's this semster, no honor roll for me |
| 05:59.28 | bleeter | grats Shirik|zZz |
| 05:59.43 | bleeter | though of course it would've been even higher if you'd done all your thinking in Ace2 |
| 05:59.54 | Shirik|zZz | ... |
| 06:00.01 | Shirik|zZz | Well I don't expect to get honor roll next semester: http://wowi.pastey.net/78989 |
| 06:00.11 | Thunder_Child | why? reverting to ace? |
| 06:00.25 | Thunder_Child | ooo, diffyq |
| 06:00.29 | Thunder_Child | have fun |
| 06:00.33 | NightHawkTheSane | your schedule makes my head hurt Shirik|zZz |
| 06:00.35 | Shirik|zZz | signals & systems more worries me |
| 06:00.45 | Thunder_Child | i would love to have shiriks schedule |
| 06:00.58 | Shirik|zZz | I actually have another course that's not on there |
| 06:01.03 | Shirik|zZz | SE300 software engineering practices |
| 06:01.06 | Shirik|zZz | but that's easy stuff |
| 06:08.15 | Thunder_Child | heh..."how to tuch a girl" |
| 06:08.22 | Thunder_Child | s/tuch/touch/ |
| 06:08.44 | Thunder_Child | sadly not as much fun as it sounds |
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| 06:19.54 | sag_ich_nicht | wait the worldframe is protected when nameplates are enabled? |
| 06:19.54 | art3mis | Electrical Engineering La 1.00 ??? |
| 06:21.22 | cHao | the 1.00 is the number of credits, i'd guess. probably a "lab" thing |
| 06:21.41 | cHao | that's a totally random guess though |
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| 06:25.09 | Funkeh` | Can someone make a post on the US forums enquiring about the WorldFrame becoming protected when nameplates are turned on, and whether it is intentional, I have an addon attempting to shake it which fails if they are on. |
| 06:25.18 | Funkeh` | (EU) :( |
| 06:25.33 | Iriel | It'll be intentional |
| 06:25.43 | Iriel | Nameplates can be clicked on for targetting, so must be secure |
| 06:25.57 | Iriel | so the worldframe picks them up via normal child-implied protection |
| 06:26.07 | sag_ich_nicht | imho the worldframe should be perma protected then |
| 06:26.13 | Iriel | Why? |
| 06:26.22 | sag_ich_nicht | to avoid coding misstakes :P |
| 06:26.23 | Funkeh` | Do you think it is necessary to use the WorldFrame for this function and not say UIparent? |
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| 06:27.27 | cHao | define "shake it"? |
| 06:27.32 | Funkeh` | @ Iriel |
| 06:27.44 | cHao | you mean, like, make the whole screen jiggle? |
| 06:27.47 | Funkeh` | SetPoint around the place |
| 06:27.47 | bleeter | Cairenn: thanks, btw.. dunno if it was your comment to those concerned, or those concerned discovering that thread of their own volition, but the change is going in to 2.3.2 PTR as wel speak :) *hugz* |
| 06:27.59 | Cairenn | :) |
| 06:28.02 | Cairenn | you're welcome |
| 06:28.17 | Funkeh` | What change? ;p |
| 06:28.25 | bleeter | disabling Nagle's algo |
| 06:28.53 | sag_ich_nicht | what comment by Cairenn to those concerned? |
| 06:28.54 | sag_ich_nicht | :X |
| 06:30.03 | Iriel | Funkeh`: I'm not sure there's any way around the shake problem, possibly you could get a request into Cogwheel's thread to parent the nameplates to something else slightly decoupled from the worldframe |
| 06:30.32 | Funkeh` | Iriel, Could you please make it, as I cannot access the US forums on my account. |
| 06:32.22 | Thunder_Child | you know, trying to purchse a left handed violin is s serious pain in the ass |
| 06:32.38 | Thunder_Child | s/s s/s a/ |
| 06:34.16 | MentalPower | Thunder_Child: I can see that |
| 06:34.30 | Thunder_Child | MentalPower: can you? can you really? |
| 06:34.51 | MentalPower | :P |
| 06:35.24 | Thunder_Child | meh @ right handed people |
| 06:41.48 | batrick | ur taking ur classes backwards shirik |
| 06:41.57 | batrick | and only 11 credits? casual! |
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| 06:42.15 | Funkeh` | Iriel, is that a possibility for you or? |
| 06:45.19 | Tem | batrick, I, too, am taking my classes backwards |
| 06:45.44 | Tem | this semester I had all 4000 level courses (senior level), next semester I'm primarily taking 3000 level |
| 06:46.10 | Tem | and then next fall, I'll be taking a bunch of 1000 and 2000 level classes so that I can graduate |
| 06:46.38 | Tem | (yes, lol, the random "communication studies" type classes are really all that's standing in my way of graduating this spring) |
| 06:46.47 | Thunder_Child | i took my "orientation" class second to the last semester |
| 06:46.57 | Tem | hehe |
| 06:47.51 | Thunder_Child | because i am so rusty and have to start at the bottom of math i cant take any of the other math/science classes i need...so i get to take fun stuff |
| 06:48.00 | Thunder_Child | music/art |
| 06:48.09 | Thunder_Child | oh...and gen ed...damit |
| 06:49.06 | sag_ich_nicht | http://img254.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hastelolpp5.jpg LOL HASTE |
| 06:49.22 | haste | :-( |
| 06:49.34 | haste | such a spammer |
| 06:50.02 | sag_ich_nicht | click the link. |
| 06:50.52 | Thunder_Child | yes well for all that the rogue was doing dmg, the lock is ontop of the dmg meters...if not by much |
| 06:51.03 | Thunder_Child | .2% |
| 06:51.37 | Thunder_Child | uhh...where are they? |
| 06:52.15 | sag_ich_nicht | Hyjal |
| 06:52.45 | Thunder_Child | ah, never been there |
| 06:55.12 | sag_ich_nicht | look at the tps. |
| 06:58.17 | Corrodias | isn't there a physical, if not paperdoll, minimum of 0.5 seconds between attacks? thought i heard something like that. maybe it's only hunter autoshots. |
| 06:59.07 | Corrodias | guess not :o |
| 07:00.38 | Thunder_Child | lol http://thrumyeye.deviantart.com/art/I-is-Squeezed-72040756 |
| 07:01.18 | Corrodias | i like the look of that rogue's buff bar, though |
| 07:02.47 | Corrodias | do any of you recognize the addon doing that? |
| 07:03.26 | Thunder_Child | maybe |
| 07:04.22 | Corrodias | that's a very... unrevealing way of saying it. can you be more specific? |
| 07:04.42 | Thunder_Child | i was looking it up, it may be buffalo/buffalo2 |
| 07:05.17 | Corrodias | thanks. i will investigate, as well as peruse other buff bar addons |
| 07:07.20 | Thunder_Child | Corrodias, i havent seen the default UI in some time but doesnt that look like it just with a better timer and a borderless texture? |
| 07:07.55 | Thunder_Child | s/it/the default buffs/ |
| 07:08.29 | Rayne | Hydross down :D |
| 07:08.58 | Thunder_Child | Corrodias, or do you mean the little squished one just above the ToT that i just noticed? |
| 07:09.22 | Corrodias | you are correct, purl |
| 07:09.25 | Corrodias | or a thin, black border |
| 07:10.04 | Corrodias | that would fit very nicely with the look of the rest of my UI. it appears it is indeed buffalo, or perhaps buffalo will do something like that |
| 07:10.07 | Corrodias | i must try it |
| 07:17.44 | Corrodias | odd... it shows no buffs at all at the moment >_> |
| 07:18.32 | Thunder_Child | dunno, i dont use it myself |
| 07:27.33 | Thunder_Child | well i can now say for a fact that SP1 (as of yet) has not increased the transfer speeds |
| 07:27.43 | Thunder_Child | between HDD's |
| 07:28.18 | Thunder_Child | from a 10,000 sataII to a 7,200 sataII i am transfering at 2.26 MB/s |
| 07:28.28 | Thunder_Child | eta, 3 hours 36 min |
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| 07:58.51 | clad|sleep | _WHY_ do people fight me on shit that I can't be wrong on =/ |
| 07:59.08 | clad|sleep | this person is trying to convince me that TomTom and LightHeaded gave them the waypoint arrow that Cartographer provides. |
| 07:59.09 | krka | such as? |
| 07:59.24 | cladhaire | This is very strange because I never used the arrow indicator until I installed TomTom and Lightheaded. |
| 07:59.25 | cladhaire | A friend actually told me about those two mods and even showed how it worked while visiting his casa. |
| 07:59.25 | cladhaire | I know that until I installed those two addons specifically, I never had the arrow indicating what direction I needed to go in etc. |
| 07:59.25 | cladhaire | Anyone have a clue what addon allowed the arrow or used it in conjunction with TomTom and lightheaded? |
| 07:59.43 | cladhaire | so i've told him, four times now, if he wants that arrow, he needs to install cart until i release the next version of TomTom |
| 07:59.48 | Thunder_Child | i use cart and light and get the arrow |
| 07:59.49 | cladhaire | and he keeps coming back |
| 07:59.56 | cladhaire | because you use cart |
| 08:00.02 | Thunder_Child | so i assumed |
| 08:00.07 | cladhaire | he's CONVINCED it comes from TomTom + LightHeaded. |
| 08:00.17 | Thunder_Child | the loc's are simply being passed from light |
| 08:00.24 | cladhaire | yes, of course |
| 08:00.29 | cladhaire | but that has NOTHING to do with TomTom. |
| 08:00.34 | cladhaire | and without cart, the arrow won't appear |
| 08:00.36 | Thunder_Child | i dunno, i dont use it |
| 08:00.38 | cladhaire | because cart provides it. |
| 08:00.42 | cladhaire | I DO I WROTE IT! |
| 08:00.42 | cladhaire | ;-) |
| 08:00.49 | Thunder_Child | this i know |
| 08:00.51 | cladhaire | TomTom does NOT provide a waypoint arrow like cart |
| 08:00.55 | cladhaire | it _will_ |
| 08:00.59 | cladhaire | i just haven't released that |
| 08:01.02 | Arrowmaster | stop setting off my nick alert fucker |
| 08:01.09 | Thunder_Child | out of curiosity, it there a way to get the arrow through a / command? |
| 08:01.16 | krka | stop using such a retarded nick alert then |
| 08:01.42 | Arrowmaster | it actually doesnt go off as much as you would think it does |
| 08:01.49 | cladhaire | Thunder_Child: I have no idea, that would be a Cart thing, and I don't use cart. |
| 08:02.15 | Thunder_Child | ok |
| 08:02.31 | Xinhuan | haha Arrowmaster |
| 08:02.40 | Thunder_Child | would be handy at times when poeople dont format their loc's correctly |
| 08:03.03 | Thunder_Child | s/poeople/people/ |
| 08:03.22 | cladhaire | I'm sure they have it |
| 08:03.23 | cladhaire | *shrug* |
| 08:03.35 | cladhaire | I just dont' know why people would argue with me.. about my addons |
| 08:03.39 | Wobin_ | Thunder_Child: yes |
| 08:03.45 | Thunder_Child | because they can |
| 08:03.48 | Wobin_ | /way 12,33 |
| 08:03.56 | Thunder_Child | Wobin_, thanks |
| 08:03.59 | cladhaire | that doesn't mean they should |
| 08:04.11 | Thunder_Child | nope, just mean people will |
| 08:04.18 | Thunder_Child | means* |
| 08:04.23 | Wobin_ | Thunder_Child: You can search for notes too /way <npcname> |
| 08:04.43 | Wobin_ | if there's a note attached to that location for that npc, it'll use that as a target |
| 08:04.45 | Thunder_Child | does it work w/o notes? i dont use em |
| 08:04.51 | Thunder_Child | nvm then :p |
| 08:04.53 | Wobin_ | not that functionality no |
| 08:05.11 | Wobin_ | Actually I don't know if it will work completely -without- notes |
| 08:05.20 | Wobin_ | since it depends on the notes interface to set up the points |
| 08:05.23 | Thunder_Child | the arrow does |
| 08:05.35 | Wobin_ | well yes, but Notes is still active |
| 08:05.37 | sag_ich_nicht | [08:58] <@clad|sleep> _WHY_ do people fight me on shit that I can't be wrong on =/ <--because in 1/999999 cases, that person is actually right |
| 08:05.40 | Wobin_ | you may not use it directly |
| 08:05.44 | Wobin_ | but it's still loaded |
| 08:05.44 | sag_ich_nicht | (hint: in most cases, that person=me) |
| 08:05.51 | cladhaire | ... |
| 08:05.57 | Thunder_Child | you know, it would be handy if you could /way <npcname> like you could /target <npcname> |
| 08:06.04 | cladhaire | This isn't a misconception |
| 08:06.16 | Thunder_Child | Wobin_, yes, but they are never displayed on the map |
| 08:06.19 | cladhaire | This is something I cannot be wrong on, because what they're proposing doesn't exist. |
| 08:06.23 | sag_ich_nicht | i know |
| 08:06.26 | Wobin_ | Thunder_Child: that would only work for targets in range... |
| 08:06.26 | cladhaire | and never has |
| 08:06.33 | sag_ich_nicht | cladhaire this is not about the current matter |
| 08:06.38 | Wobin_ | and why would you need waypoints then? =P |
| 08:06.47 | Thunder_Child | Wobin_, agreed, sometimes i can target them and still not be able to see them |
| 08:06.52 | cladhaire | well, i'm talking about the current matter |
| 08:06.53 | sag_ich_nicht | but about about this general situation |
| 08:06.58 | Thunder_Child | an arrow would help |
| 08:07.01 | sag_ich_nicht | well |
| 08:07.05 | sag_ich_nicht | i'm going to sleep now |
| 08:07.11 | cladhaire | night |
| 08:07.15 | sag_ich_nicht | night |
| 08:07.28 | Thunder_Child | day |
| 08:07.44 | Thunder_Child | oh..this isnt an altered version of duck duck goose? |
| 08:07.55 | Tem | cladhaire, I argue with you about your addons all the time |
| 08:08.21 | cladhaire | not about things that didn't ever exist |
| 08:08.24 | cladhaire | you just tell me you hate shit |
| 08:08.30 | cladhaire | and i tell you I dont' care.. that's a pleasant discussion :P |
| 08:08.36 | Thunder_Child | which isnt an argument |
| 08:08.36 | Wobin_ | well if he loved shit |
| 08:08.39 | Wobin_ | I'd be worried |
| 08:08.45 | Tem | lawl |
| 08:08.48 | Wobin_ | or at the least somewhat disgusted =) |
| 08:09.00 | Thunder_Child | takes all kinds Wobin_ |
| 08:10.18 | krka | Thunder_Child: yes it is! |
| 08:10.42 | Thunder_Child | krka, then whats the next series? |
| 08:10.54 | Thunder_Child | oh..no it isnt |
| 08:11.13 | Tem | oh, cladhaire, I had something to hate on |
| 08:11.17 | cladhaire | ? |
| 08:11.18 | Tem | lemme see if I can remember |
| 08:11.21 | Tem | oh yeah! |
| 08:11.24 | Tem | with tomtom |
| 08:11.26 | Tem | and lightheaded |
| 08:11.34 | Tem | the minimap things are all screwed up |
| 08:11.39 | cladhaire | ? |
| 08:11.48 | Thunder_Child | very informitive Tem |
| 08:11.48 | Tem | they look like really pixelated thingies |
| 08:11.57 | Tem | same on world map |
| 08:12.01 | cladhaire | did you.. oh i don't know... UPDATE the addon?> |
| 08:12.03 | cladhaire | post-2.3 |
| 08:12.07 | cladhaire | when they changed the POI texture |
| 08:12.12 | Tem | svn up |
| 08:12.14 | Tem | mt |
| 08:12.15 | cladhaire | causing the issue? |
| 08:12.32 | cladhaire | (sometimes tem is worse than normal users =/) |
| 08:12.37 | cladhaire | but only cause he has no time |
| 08:12.50 | Thunder_Child | so if he had time he would always be worse? |
| 08:12.56 | Tem | I figured an update would fix i |
| 08:12.59 | Tem | t |
| 08:13.09 | Tem | but I just wanted to bitch first |
| 08:13.13 | Tem | it's more fun this way |
| 08:13.34 | Tem | =P |
| 08:13.34 | cladhaire | i've had a horrible night |
| 08:13.37 | cladhaire | i think i'm going back to bed., |
| 08:13.37 | Tem | :( |
| 08:13.49 | Thunder_Child | cladhaire, it's not going to get any better talking to us |
| 08:13.50 | cladhaire | just woke up crying from nightmares |
| 08:13.57 | Tem | oh wow |
| 08:13.58 | cladhaire | kinda rather sucked. |
| 08:14.17 | Tem | crap |
| 08:14.25 | Tem | my tomtom.lua is conflicted |
| 08:14.31 | Tem | but... I don't remember changing it >< |
| 08:14.36 | cladhaire | you changed the tooltip border |
| 08:14.39 | cladhaire | inevitably |
| 08:14.47 | Tem | oh, you're right |
| 08:14.59 | Thunder_Child | wow...so predictable |
| 08:15.13 | Thunder_Child | gg clad you win |
| 08:15.19 | cladhaire | i don't suck at this game :P |
| 08:15.40 | Thunder_Child | we call this one life |
| 08:15.45 | Tem | Thunder_Child, well, I've complained at him for using the tooltip border enough times |
| 08:15.49 | Tem | it _should_ be his first guess |
| 08:16.09 | Thunder_Child | if you have complained about it enough you should have checked it first |
| 08:16.26 | Tem | huh? |
| 08:16.33 | Thunder_Child | no idea |
| 08:16.44 | Thunder_Child | hell i'm not really even following what you were talking about |
| 08:17.04 | Tem | oh, btw, lua doesn't like numbers bigger than 170! |
| 08:17.11 | cladhaire | ? |
| 08:17.18 | Thunder_Child | lua errors at 171? |
| 08:17.18 | Tem | 171! is too big |
| 08:17.27 | Tem | 1.#INF |
| 08:18.35 | Tem | s/is/is still/ |
| 08:18.53 | cladhaire | why are you calculating 170 factorial? |
| 08:19.01 | Tem | shits |
| 08:19.03 | Tem | mostly |
| 08:19.07 | cladhaire | k |
| 08:19.12 | cladhaire | use bc |
| 08:19.15 | Thunder_Child | no giggles? |
| 08:19.18 | cladhaire | or some other arbitrary precision library |
| 08:19.34 | Tem | I was finding out the probability of 2 members in a group having the same birthday |
| 08:19.37 | Tem | based on the group size |
| 08:19.56 | Tem | the equation was easily rewritten to not use factorials |
| 08:20.08 | Tem | but I was enjoying using memoize |
| 08:20.13 | Tem | so I did it the hard way first |
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| 08:21.29 | cladhaire | heh |
| 08:21.56 | Tem | I had forgotten how much fun __call was |
| 08:22.20 | Tem | (yeah, I deliberately wrote factorial using recursion because I knew I'd blow the stack without caching |
| 08:22.22 | Tem | ) |
| 08:23.12 | Tem | oh hey, Tales of the Past 3 finished downloading |
| 08:23.25 | Tem | yay for torrents |
| 08:28.05 | batrick | factorial function is fun but you shouldn't implement it without tail calls |
| 08:29.15 | Tem | lua supports tail recursion |
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| 08:29.49 | Tem | my feeble implementation didn't, for obvious reasons |
| 08:30.04 | batrick | what obvious reasons? |
| 08:30.36 | Tem | I _wanted_ to break the stack |
| 08:30.40 | batrick | o |
| 08:32.59 | batrick | i wonder if factorial implemented as an iterative algorithm is always faster than tail calls |
| 08:36.35 | Tem | probably depends on the language |
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| 08:54.46 | Thunder_Child | whats the nagle algorithm? |
| 08:55.38 | wereHamster | Tem, in lua it's possible to write recursive functions without blowing the stack: using tail calls |
| 08:56.12 | Thunder_Child | wereHamster, he was trying to blow the stack |
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| 09:52.50 | bleetah | hmm, interesting bug on one of my hunter pets... or maybe bugs |
| 09:53.11 | bleetah | (a) he won't stop healing (b) he won't stop attempting to gain happiness (c) he's out whilst I'm mounted |
| 09:56.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | quick go solo kara |
| 09:56.49 | bleetah | ok, well, i mounted up, he took off over one of those bridges in skettis, now he's despawning properly |
| 09:57.03 | bleetah | Mr_Rabies2: the idea had not even contemplated ocurring to me ;) |
| 09:58.15 | bleetah | moral dilemma: should I throw a heal and feed on him to see if it stops? |
| 09:58.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | uh no |
| 09:58.43 | Maldivia | Thunder_Child: found your answer to Nagle? |
| 09:58.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | think about all those gold sinks |
| 09:58.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | and timesinks |
| 09:58.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | and ask yourself if it's worth it |
| 09:59.58 | bleetah | Mr_Rabies2: what time/gold sink? hope you're not referring to feeding him 'coz after levelling fishing, and doing daily cooking quests, I think I got enough food to last him several lifetimes |
| 10:00.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | no i'm referring to all those time and gold sinks that make up the game |
| 10:00.57 | bleetah | only thing I can think of is that he was stabled before last restart, and maybe even before 2.3.0, not long after I threw a heal and a feed at him |
| 10:01.35 | bleetah | Mr_Rabies2: ah, just the sinks in general... I try not to think about them ;) |
| 10:02.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm saying, think of those and ask yourself if it's really a moral dilemma to appreciate a little minor bug usage |
| 10:04.40 | bleetah | ooohhh, right! |
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| 10:19.04 | bleetah | lol no one believes that screenie of Zerix |
| 10:25.12 | bleetah | gah, ffs... bug city tonight |
| 10:25.27 | bleetah | seems to be some delay/lag bug on the daily, at least with cooking, quest |
| 10:27.16 | bleetah | was standing next to the quest giver when it ticked over, picked it up, someone wnadered off saying 'oh great, blades edge again', went and completed. hopped onto another toon, picked it up without looking.. went out to blades edge with the mats, tried to cook.. at it's the freakin skettis cooking :/ |
| 10:27.43 | bleetah | others saying it's skettis too, today... there was at least one other person though who got blade's edge :-s |
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| 10:38.01 | nevcairiel | So blizzard really listend to that post about ping improvements for oceanics and disabled the nagle algorithm in the latest PTR patch. |
| 10:38.38 | Neebler | nagle algorithm eh? will that improve non oceanic pings as well? |
| 10:38.53 | nevcairiel | well yeah |
| 10:38.56 | nevcairiel | a little anyway |
| 10:39.05 | Neebler | I've hated the netcode in WoW forever. especially being a rogue |
| 10:39.20 | Neebler | running after someone and being directly on top of them and no attacks going through :| |
| 10:39.53 | Maldivia | why did they even have Nagle enabled |
| 10:40.15 | Maldivia | do they have that many small packaged... considering the latency penalty it can cause |
| 10:40.48 | krka | maybe they are sensitive about their small packages |
| 10:40.56 | Maldivia | hehe |
| 10:41.13 | krka | and they might have gotten complaints about their lack of latency |
| 10:41.39 | Maldivia | krka: I think uptime is more important than latency, in that situation...... |
| 10:41.51 | krka | lol |
| 10:42.01 | nevcairiel | well its the downside for running TCP for a game instead of UDP |
| 10:46.07 | nevcairiel | but i guess they had to make sure that every package arrives at the server |
| 10:47.01 | bleetah | I'd suspect the low level net code is largely unchanged since like... forever. |
| 10:47.19 | bleetah | eg, back when folks dreamed of 36.6k dialup ;) |
| 10:47.30 | nevcairiel | wow is not that old =P |
| 10:47.47 | bleetah | agreed, but it's possible their underlying net library may well be |
| 10:48.21 | bleetah | 'it works well, worked well in other products, no need to review' kinda thing |
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| 10:53.11 | Maldivia | bleetah: I doubt they use the same library in wow as they did in previous projects (Battle.Net products) |
| 11:14.36 | bleetah | Maldivia: prolly not for the data being transferred, but maybe for the network socket foo... /shrug... anyways, still smells like it was designed purely for dialup |
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| 12:40.19 | Tem|AFK | netsplits are ftl |
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| 13:05.55 | Wobin_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:06.15 | Wobin_ | Server shutdown in 7 minutes |
| 13:06.20 | Wobin_ | and the priest dies just before landslide |
| 13:06.30 | Wobin_ | so he runs back, we summon and kill Landslide |
| 13:06.35 | Wobin_ | with 2 minutes to spare =P |
| 13:07.01 | Tem|AFK | landslide? |
| 13:07.07 | Cide | maraudon |
| 13:07.13 | Wobin_ | aye |
| 13:07.24 | Cide | mountain giant boss |
| 13:07.27 | Wobin_ | We were probably a little overlevel for up to that point |
| 13:07.41 | Wobin_ | 43 healer, but 48/9 for the rest of us |
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| 13:07.51 | Wobin_ | but we burnt through everything fairly easily |
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| 13:08.03 | Wobin_ | and hey, frost mage second in damage to the 50 lock =P |
| 13:08.07 | Wobin_ | as a 48 |
| 13:08.14 | Wobin_ | win |
| 13:08.25 | Cide | out of 3 dps? :P |
| 13:08.32 | Wobin_ | hehe =) |
| 13:08.44 | Wobin_ | hunter was a bit of an idiot =P |
| 13:08.50 | Wobin_ | only took his pet off aggro about 1/3 in |
| 13:08.51 | Tem|AFK | hunters are always idiots |
| 13:08.59 | Wobin_ | ~lart Tem|AFK |
| 13:08.59 | purl | teaches Tem|AFK the basics, including how to RTM |
| 13:09.12 | Tem|AFK | no, seriously |
| 13:09.14 | Wobin_ | I'm a good hunter thankyouverymuch =P |
| 13:09.27 | Tem|AFK | for every good hunter, there are 1000 huntards |
| 13:09.36 | Wobin_ | Well, yes, I'll agree with that |
| 13:09.57 | Cide | did you guys see the nice rogue buffs btw? |
| 13:10.03 | Tem|AFK | rogue buffs? |
| 13:10.12 | Tem|AFK | I thought they were nerfing rogues with 2.3.2? |
| 13:10.18 | Cide | <Biny> Preparation now resets the cooldown of Shadowstep and no longer resets the cooldown of Adrenaline Rush. |
| 13:10.19 | Cide | <Biny> Shadowstep now adds a 3 second, 70% movement speed increase. |
| 13:10.19 | Cide | <Biny> Sinister Calling now also increases the percentage damage bonus of Hemorrhage and Backstab by 2/4/6/8/10%. |
| 13:10.26 | Wobin_ | wow |
| 13:10.36 | Wobin_ | craaazy |
| 13:10.42 | Tem|AFK | oh shitzor |
| 13:10.45 | Wobin_ | 70% movement buff is insane |
| 13:10.50 | Cide | yep. |
| 13:10.56 | Wobin_ | what's the cooldown on ss anyway? |
| 13:11.04 | Tem|AFK | ouch |
| 13:11.05 | Cide | 30 |
| 13:11.08 | Wobin_ | >< |
| 13:11.10 | Wobin_ | jesus |
| 13:11.17 | Tem|AFK | they nerfed the AR-hemo spec |
| 13:11.23 | Wobin_ | aw fuck =( |
| 13:11.26 | Tem|AFK | while buffing dagger rogues |
| 13:11.31 | Wobin_ | Hateses |
| 13:11.32 | Cide | shadowstep will be worse |
| 13:11.32 | Tem|AFK | Preparation now resets the cooldown of Shadowstep and no longer resets the cooldown of Adrenaline Rush. |
| 13:11.33 | Wobin_ | hateses |
| 13:11.39 | Cide | there is no way you can get a rogue off your ass now |
| 13:11.52 | Wobin_ | oh well, I hadn't specced AR I guess |
| 13:12.06 | Tem|AFK | this is bad news for my arena partner |
| 13:12.10 | Wobin_ | but that sucks |
| 13:12.15 | Cide | and priests aren't even mentioned in the patch notes :/ |
| 13:12.21 | Wobin_ | at least they fixed the hemo bug |
| 13:12.40 | Tem|AFK | he just spent a fuckton of points and money buying s2 maces and enchanting them |
| 13:13.03 | Wobin_ | =( |
| 13:13.03 | Tem|AFK | with these changes, he'll want to be sub-daggers, probably |
| 13:13.16 | Wobin_ | what crappy timing =( |
| 13:13.25 | Wobin_ | I'm never going to shift from maces =P |
| 13:13.38 | Wobin_ | my latency doesn't allow for positional dependant rogueing |
| 13:14.00 | Tem|AFK | his either |
| 13:14.12 | Tem|AFK | even though he should have a completely acceptable ping |
| 13:15.22 | Tem|AFK | well shit |
| 13:15.51 | Tem|AFK | if you thought 3500 ambush crits on 400 resilience were rediculous, get ready for BIGGER ones |
| 13:15.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | Wobin |
| 13:16.05 | Wobin_ | Mr_Rabies2 |
| 13:16.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | have you had anyone report a strange error with fuxpfu just straight up refusing to work? :[ |
| 13:16.24 | Wobin_ | yeah 275% now |
| 13:16.30 | Tem|AFK | Mr_Rabies2, blame fubar imo |
| 13:16.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm thinking it may be some kind of lib conflict or aloft conflict or something |
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| 13:16.36 | Wobin_ | aloft? |
| 13:16.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah, the stack trace had an aloft folder in there somewhere |
| 13:16.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | lemme see if i can track down the error |
| 13:17.01 | Wobin_ | Mr_Rabies: bizzare. Do you have that handy? |
| 13:17.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | no but i can login |
| 13:17.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | and paste it |
| 13:17.33 | Cide | um |
| 13:17.41 | Cide | do buttons only register LeftButton by default? |
| 13:17.49 | Tem|AFK | yes? |
| 13:17.58 | Cide | strange |
| 13:18.00 | Tem|AFK | Cide, check the API reference you just wrote imo |
| 13:18.04 | Cide | I thought they did rightbutton too |
| 13:18.06 | Cide | meh, shush |
| 13:18.11 | Cide | I should know this by heart |
| 13:18.16 | Cide | I usually do! |
| 13:18.19 | Tem|AFK | heh |
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| 13:18.58 | Cide | though some auto-completition would be nice |
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| 13:21.44 | Wobin_ | I like the proposed warlock change though |
| 13:21.46 | Wobin_ | for 2.4 |
| 13:23.54 | Mr_Rabies | Wobin_: PM |
| 13:24.16 | Wobin_ | TabletLib error? |
| 13:24.54 | Wobin_ | yes |
| 13:24.57 | Wobin_ | it's a fubar error |
| 13:25.09 | Wobin_ | You may have tried to attach it to the minimap in the past |
| 13:25.26 | Mr_Rabies | i think i may have started a character without fubar enabled |
| 13:25.26 | Wobin_ | but fubar has a bug where that whole mechanism is broken |
| 13:25.33 | Wobin_ | yeah that'd do it |
| 13:25.39 | Wobin_ | You need to go into your FuBar SV |
| 13:25.51 | Wobin_ | and make it 'unundetached' |
| 13:25.59 | Wobin_ | reattached whatever =) |
| 13:26.13 | Wobin_ | or remove the reference altogether and add it back normally |
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| 13:26.29 | Wobin_ | I've Jira'd the bug, but I don't think ckknight got around to looking at it |
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| 13:29.53 | Mr_Rabies | this area, Wobin_? |
| 13:29.54 | Mr_Rabies | ["detached"] = { |
| 13:29.54 | Mr_Rabies | ["ClearFont2"] = true, |
| 13:30.00 | Wobin_ | yeah |
| 13:30.32 | Mr_Rabies | if i want to prevent that from happening in the future, just remove all the addons listed there? |
| 13:30.42 | Mr_Rabies | from the SV listing |
| 13:30.44 | Mr_Rabies | at that part* |
| 13:30.52 | Wobin_ | hm, probably best, yes |
| 13:30.57 | Wobin_ | but mostly for FuXP |
| 13:31.08 | Wobin_ | since it's designed never to be detached |
| 13:31.11 | Mr_Rabies | (cause i don't plan on adding any to my minimap) |
| 13:32.08 | Mr_Rabies | would a detached version of it that just pops up a frame saying "ATTACH ME YOU DUMB NOOB" help, you think? |
| 13:32.55 | Wobin_ | I'm not really going to code around a FuBar bug =P |
| 13:33.12 | Wobin_ | since in my version of FuBar, you can't detach it at all =) |
| 13:33.16 | Wobin_ | it's only FuBar2 |
| 13:33.21 | Wobin_ | or 3 |
| 13:33.23 | Mr_Rabies | up to you, but enjoy having to deal with debugging it for everyone :[ |
| 13:33.26 | Wobin_ | whichever is the latest |
| 13:33.54 | Wobin_ | If they post on the thread for FuXP, they'll see the fix |
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| 13:36.32 | Wobin_ | hm, function myname(arg, ...) is a valid signature, yes? |
| 13:37.32 | nevcairiel | yes |
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| 13:42.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | Wobin_: seems to be fixed, thanks |
| 13:42.37 | Wobin_ | Mr_Rabies: cool =) |
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| 14:04.26 | Josh_Borke | i can't help my self |
| 14:04.30 | Josh_Borke | i love you and nobody else |
| 14:04.53 | [dRaCo] | talking to yourself? |
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| 14:09.26 | Lunessa | It's mental masturbation. |
| 14:09.59 | dylanm | sugar pie honey piee |
| 14:10.02 | dylanm | Good song amiright |
| 14:10.38 | dylanm | Or is it honey bunch... bah |
| 14:10.57 | dylanm | Anyway, Josh_Borke establishes himself as a man of taste. |
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| 14:15.39 | Polarina | I'm in a great need for someone to post for me on the US forums. |
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| 14:16.58 | Polarina | Someone welcome Zootfizzle for me. (: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3389609103&sid=1 |
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| 14:19.16 | foxlit | Don't those new UI team members that are going to post on the UI boards have a habit of vanishing? :) |
| 14:19.49 | nevcairiel | yeah, only slouken keeps sticking around |
| 14:20.29 | malreth | ~seen slouken |
| 14:20.32 | purl | slouken <n=slouken@ip68-5-37-254.oc.oc.cox.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 60d 8h 48m 43s ago, saying: 'lol'. |
| 14:20.47 | Polarina | lol |
| 14:20.50 | malreth | and even slouken doesn't seem to be posting as much in the forum as I remember |
| 14:21.09 | Polarina | ~seen zootfizzle |
| 14:21.10 | purl | Polarina: i haven't seen 'zootfizzle' |
| 14:21.13 | Polarina | :( |
| 14:23.21 | cladhaire | Rislyn is still around |
| 14:23.23 | cladhaire | just no cause to post |
| 14:23.33 | cladhaire | and Horkin is still alive and kicking |
| 14:23.36 | cladhaire | but too busy working on UI stuff |
| 14:23.39 | cladhaire | no one's really disappeared :P |
| 14:23.48 | Polarina | I'm sure Zootfizzle and Slouken will spot eachothers bugs. :) |
| 14:24.30 | Polarina | In case not, I will work on a addon that fixes these FrameXML bugs. |
| 14:24.40 | cladhaire | ? |
| 14:25.08 | cladhaire | or as we've already discussed you can submit a diff of required changes, or at least inform them what/where the bugs are. |
| 14:25.27 | Polarina | cladhaire: And the diffs should be submitted where? |
| 14:25.42 | cladhaire | as we've stated, on wowinterface or directed to someone who can put them in blizzard's hands |
| 14:25.42 | Fisker- | who is zootfizzle? :o |
| 14:25.48 | cladhaire | then someone can post them on the wow forums for you |
| 14:25.52 | Fisker- | sounds like the kind of name where you would be shot on sight |
| 14:26.00 | Polarina | Fisker-: A female Blizzard UI staff. |
| 14:26.06 | Fisker- | OMG GIRLS |
| 14:26.08 | Polarina | cladhaire: :D |
| 14:26.15 | cladhaire | HE is not female. |
| 14:26.21 | cladhaire | Rislyn was |
| 14:26.24 | cladhaire | Zootfizzle is not. |
| 14:26.36 | Polarina | cladhaire: Slouken used the word "her" to describe Zootfizzle. |
| 14:26.47 | Fisker- | rislyn is a girl? |
| 14:26.49 | Fisker- | even moar omg |
| 14:26.55 | cladhaire | I’d like to welcome the newest member of our Blizzard UI team, Zootfizzle! |
| 14:26.55 | cladhaire | You’ll see him posting regularly on the forum, helping out. Please be gentle. :) |
| 14:27.02 | cladhaire | and you're wrong. |
| 14:27.06 | cladhaire | Fisker-: yes, rislyn is a girl |
| 14:27.12 | cladhaire | a REAL girl |
| 14:27.14 | Fisker- | :O |
| 14:27.17 | cladhaire | and Zootfizzle, as I stated.. is not. |
| 14:27.19 | Fisker- | girls on the internet |
| 14:27.21 | Fisker- | insane |
| 14:27.27 | cladhaire | ~girls |
| 14:27.28 | purl | girls are sweet, wonderful and necessary :) |
| 14:27.38 | Fisker- | only remember like seeing one post from rislyn anyways :P |
| 14:27.44 | cladhaire | Polarina: no "her" in that message |
| 14:27.49 | haste | Fisker-: fo(r)u(m)rchan |
| 14:27.55 | Polarina | cladhaire: Ok. My mistake then. |
| 14:28.06 | cladhaire | he was talking about Rislyn later in the thread |
| 14:28.15 | Fisker- | why :O? |
| 14:28.23 | cladhaire | because someone brought her up |
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| 14:28.39 | Fisker- | i was talking to haste :( |
| 14:28.43 | Fisker- | he wants me to do dirty things |
| 14:29.03 | haste | you haven't taken a look at it today in other words :p |
| 14:29.13 | Fisker- | nope |
| 14:29.21 | Fisker- | so busy with work and wow :( |
| 14:29.22 | haste | it got hijacked |
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| 14:29.37 | haste | http://4chanstatus.blogspot.com/ :D |
| 14:30.13 | Fisker- | if their registrar account is compromised how does it redirect to 4chan then? :< |
| 14:30.14 | Lopeppeppy | Sadness. |
| 14:30.18 | Fisker- | 4chanstatus* |
| 14:30.40 | haste | Fisker-: then you dns hasn't updated yet |
| 14:30.46 | Fisker- | yay |
| 14:30.49 | Fisker- | my dns > your dns |
| 14:30.54 | haste | you'll end up with a forum when it updates |
| 14:31.14 | Fisker- | i actually feel kinda silly now that i asked that |
| 14:31.15 | Fisker- | :< |
| 14:31.41 | haste | :D |
| 14:32.50 | Fisker- | can't wait for my new 8800GTS btw |
| 14:33.13 | haste | Fisker-: http://beverpung.net/images/nix/2007-12-14-153136_1680x1050_scrot.png |
| 14:33.17 | Polarina | Fisker-: 8800GT is faster. |
| 14:33.35 | Lopeppeppy | I think I fixed my 7600... I think.... |
| 14:34.30 | Fisker- | no Polarina |
| 14:34.41 | Fisker- | I'm talking about the new 8800GTS |
| 14:35.04 | Fisker- | fail haste |
| 14:35.05 | Fisker- | TRIPFAGS! |
| 14:35.10 | Polarina | Fisker-: I heard that the 8800GT is about 100% faster than the 8800GTS. |
| 14:35.13 | haste | Fisker-: :D:DD |
| 14:35.43 | Fisker- | Polarina perhaps the old one |
| 14:35.46 | Fisker- | but not the new one |
| 14:37.24 | Fisker- | moo: gfxproc: GeForce 8800 GT |
| 14:37.30 | Fisker- | so i can always switch back :P |
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| 14:38.20 | Fisker- | Computers don't announce what kind of operating system they use right? |
| 14:39.29 | haste | announce? |
| 14:40.21 | Fisker- | yeah so you could like scan the network and get the operating system |
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| 14:40.31 | nevcairiel | you can |
| 14:40.49 | nevcairiel | nmap can detect the OS by certain reactions in the ip stack |
| 14:41.30 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 14:41.39 | Fisker- | but it's not like it says "Hi i'm linux" |
| 14:41.49 | nevcairiel | no |
| 14:41.57 | nevcairiel | but well, windows will announce it open and widely :P |
| 14:42.05 | Fisker- | :< |
| 14:42.10 | Chompers | "Hi i'm windows ME" |
| 14:42.15 | Chompers | "i'm so sorry" |
| 14:42.21 | nevcairiel | Hi, hack me, i am windows! |
| 14:42.22 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 14:42.27 | Fisker- | :((( |
| 14:42.37 | Fisker- | you're ruining my experience |
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| 14:45.03 | Fisker- | Always thought that Windows only said what kind of version it was to the AD |
| 14:45.33 | nevcairiel | if you have any of windows net services enabled (which are like all enabled by default), it'll announce what it is :P |
| 14:45.46 | Fisker- | awesome |
| 14:46.17 | Fisker- | i'm a pc |
| 14:46.52 | nevcairiel | pcs cant sneeze |
| 14:47.07 | Fisker- | they can in the ads :( |
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| 15:09.51 | deltron | !seen ts|skrom |
| 15:11.04 | zenzelezz | ~seen ts|skrom |
| 15:11.06 | purl | ts|skrom <n=TS|Skrom@mail.shippingu.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 9d 23h 46m 7s ago, saying: 'I just got into a shouting match with my sales manager'. |
| 15:11.31 | deltron | danke |
| 15:11.33 | deltron | heh |
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| 16:03.13 | Shirik | lua> getmetatable("").__tostring=function (x) return "<<<"..x..">>>" end; print("Hello") |
| 16:03.13 | lua_bot | Shirik: <<<Hello>>> |
| 16:03.16 | Shirik | interesting. |
| 16:04.18 | Xinhuan | how so? |
| 16:07.45 | foxlit | What's more interesting is that you can't setmetatable to a string :( |
| 16:08.14 | Shirik | how so? It just seems odd that tostring is called on a string |
| 16:08.16 | Shirik | but oh well |
| 16:08.25 | Shirik | lhf is full of fun little tricks |
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| 16:09.40 | foxlit | lua> local s = "moo"; s = setmetatable(s, {}); print(s); |
| 16:09.40 | lua_bot | foxlit: <<<[string "local s = "moo"; s = setmetatable(s, {}); p..."]:1: bad argument #1 to 'setmetatable' (table expected, got string)>>> |
| 16:09.44 | Cide | Shirik: are you sure the bot isn't just calling tostring(x) on whatever is passed to print? :P |
| 16:09.51 | Cide | lua> print({ }) |
| 16:09.51 | lua_bot | Cide: { } (#1) |
| 16:09.57 | Cide | bad example :/ |
| 16:10.11 | Cide | lua> print((function() end)) |
| 16:10.11 | lua_bot | Cide: function: 0x80bd908 |
| 16:10.19 | Shirik | Cide: Yes, since the script came from the lua mailiing list |
| 16:10.26 | Shirik | I was just verifing its truth |
| 16:10.28 | Cide | ah, well |
| 16:10.35 | Cide | should've done it with return :P |
| 16:10.43 | Shirik | it wouldn't work with return though :) |
| 16:10.50 | Cide | why not? |
| 16:10.57 | Shirik | lua> getmetatable("").__tostring=function (x) return "<<<"..x..">>>" end; return "Hello" |
| 16:10.57 | lua_bot | Shirik: <<<Hello>>> |
| 16:11.03 | Shirik | ok, it's not /supposed/ to work with return |
| 16:11.06 | Cide | well |
| 16:11.07 | Shirik | that's the bot's doing :) |
| 16:11.09 | Cide | ya |
| 16:11.11 | Cide | I realized that |
| 16:11.19 | Cide | but then you realize that you can't verify it with print either :P |
| 16:11.20 | Xinhuan | lua> abc = tostring; tostring = function(s) return abc(s).."test" end; getmetatable("").__tostring=function (x) return "0>" end; print("Hello") |
| 16:11.21 | lua_bot | Xinhuan: 0> |
| 16:11.43 | Xinhuan | lua> abc = tostring; tostring = function(s) return abc(s).."test" end; getmetatable("").__tostring=function (x) return "("..x..")" end; print("Hello") |
| 16:11.43 | lua_bot | Xinhuan: (Hello) |
| 16:11.56 | Xinhuan | hmm it doesn't call tostring() inside even if you hook it |
| 16:11.57 | Cide | I think that test is sufficient |
| 16:12.28 | Cide | sure it does |
| 16:12.33 | Cide | but the bot uses a local copy |
| 16:12.41 | Xinhuan | well it doesn't call that global at least |
| 16:12.46 | Cide | well, obviously :P |
| 16:12.50 | Cide | that would be a security flaw |
| 16:13.42 | foxlit | why? |
| 16:13.43 | Shirik | getmetatable("").__tostring = function(x) return "\r\nQUIT :goodbye" end; print("Test") |
| 16:13.47 | Shirik | lua> getmetatable("").__tostring = function(x) return "\r\nQUIT :goodbye" end; print("Test") |
| 16:13.47 | lua_bot | Shirik: QUIT :goodbye |
| 16:13.50 | Shirik | because of that :P |
| 16:14.30 | Cide | and because you'd error the bot with tostring = "foo" |
| 16:14.41 | Cide | which isn't really ideal |
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| 16:15.14 | foxlit | Depends on how the execution sandbox is isolated from the rest of the thing |
| 16:15.41 | Cide | it'd still error |
| 16:15.46 | Cide | the only difference would be how it's handled |
| 16:15.56 | Cide | it wouldn't produce accurate results in any case |
| 16:16.03 | Cide | I think tihs discussion is stupid |
| 16:16.06 | Cide | this* |
| 16:16.19 | Shirik | oopsie |
| 16:16.23 | Shirik | sorry! |
| 16:16.30 | Cide | what'd you do? |
| 16:16.37 | Shirik | I'm... not entirely sure |
| 16:16.47 | Cide | ...? |
| 16:17.05 | Shirik | I think it was a stakc overflow |
| 16:17.05 | foxlit | Hm, actually |
| 16:17.14 | Cide | c-stack? |
| 16:17.24 | foxlit | There's only one string metatable, isn't there? |
| 16:17.30 | Cide | yes |
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| 16:19.34 | Xinhuan | so |
| 16:19.45 | Shirik | cladhaire =( |
| 16:19.48 | Shirik | I broke lua_bot |
| 16:19.51 | Xinhuan | what did you do Shirik? |
| 16:20.00 | Shirik | not telling until cladhaire fixes it, sorry :) |
| 16:20.09 | Xinhuan | meh |
| 16:21.39 | Cide | ugh, I like this construct |
| 16:21.53 | Cide | return not not ret == not not value.inverse |
| 16:22.08 | Cide | wtb bool() |
| 16:22.29 | Xinhuan | o_o |
| 16:22.59 | kergoth | 'not not' is a relatively common idiom afaik, at least i saw it quite a bit in C, doesn't look /that/ horrendous |
| 16:23.02 | Shirik|AFK | Off to go break more $500 boards |
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| 16:23.12 | kergoth | meh, mornings suck |
| 16:23.13 | Shirik|AFK | why on earth would you do that in C? |
| 16:23.13 | Cide | kergoth: !! is better though |
| 16:23.14 | Xinhuan | so all you're doing is comparing if 2 values "ret" and "value.inverse" are equivalent in terms of short circuit testing |
| 16:23.15 | kergoth | ~mornings |
| 16:23.16 | purl | Mornings MUST be destroyed! (see also http://www.destroymornings.com/) |
| 16:23.18 | kergoth | Cide: very true |
| 16:23.20 | Shirik|AFK | there is zero purpose to doing it in C |
| 16:23.24 | Cide | and you have (bool) then too |
| 16:23.29 | Shirik|AFK | oh wait, C doesn't have bool |
| 16:23.30 | Shirik|AFK | that's why >< |
| 16:23.34 | Cide | true |
| 16:23.48 | Shirik|AFK | But in C++ it would be pointless, in fact, harmful to your code |
| 16:23.54 | Cide | why? |
| 16:23.54 | Xinhuan | nil and false would evaluate to true there |
| 16:23.58 | Shirik|AFK | not not is at a minimum 2 operations, where (bool) is zero |
| 16:24.04 | Shirik|AFK | It is merely a reinterpretation of what is already there |
| 16:24.11 | Cide | right |
| 16:24.24 | Cide | but is it harmful besides the slowness? |
| 16:24.24 | Xinhuan | not not nil == not not false |
| 16:24.36 | Cide | right |
| 16:24.43 | Cide | I need to compare the truthness of two values |
| 16:24.57 | Cide | which is ugly either way you do it in lua |
| 16:25.10 | Shirik|AFK | yeah in Lua you have to :) |
| 16:25.22 | Shirik|AFK | anyway, gotta run |
| 16:25.31 | Cide | later Shirik|AFK |
| 16:26.21 | Xinhuan | but |
| 16:26.26 | Xinhuan | you shouldn't need 2 nots |
| 16:26.29 | Xinhuan | 1 not is enough |
| 16:26.34 | Xinhuan | meaning |
| 16:26.40 | Xinhuan | return not ret == not value.inverse |
| 16:26.43 | Xinhuan | is sufficient |
| 16:26.58 | Cide | yeah, you're right |
| 16:27.01 | Josh_Borke | you are right |
| 16:27.07 | Cide | in this case, anyway |
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| 16:27.18 | Cide | since I don't need to store the actual truthness |
| 16:27.23 | Cide | good point, thanks |
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| 16:37.56 | foxlit | Hm |
| 16:38.24 | foxlit | Wonder how sqlite compares to flatfile performance for data that you don't need to search through |
| 16:39.28 | MentalPower | err... "data you don't need to search through", does that imply log-style stuff thats just dump and forget? |
| 16:40.12 | foxlit | No, that implies primary-key only lookups |
| 16:40.31 | foxlit | No fancy WHERE conditions, subquries or anything else that's potentially evil :) |
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| 16:41.12 | MentalPower | Lua tables would be better :P |
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| 16:41.19 | MentalPower | sorry, just had to |
| 16:41.46 | foxlit | Don't want to load the whole thing at once :) |
| 16:41.55 | MentalPower | point |
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| 16:42.44 | MentalPower | I think SQLite would be faster |
| 16:43.26 | MentalPower | I don't know SQLite internals tho, so I can't say for sure |
| 16:44.06 | MentalPower | but in a flatfile you have to read each line to compare it with the primary key you're looking for |
| 16:44.20 | foxlit | Not quite the design :) |
| 16:44.21 | MentalPower | whereas I think SQLite uses a hash or b-tree table for its index |
| 16:44.24 | foxlit | One file per row |
| 16:44.40 | foxlit | file name being the primary key, and file contents being the only other column |
| 16:44.52 | MentalPower | hmm... |
| 16:45.07 | malreth | sounds like a filesystem |
| 16:45.23 | MentalPower | I thought opening files was expensive |
| 16:45.30 | MentalPower | it does actually |
| 16:46.28 | foxlit | Not time-wise, surprisingly |
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| 16:57.38 | Lunessa | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:58.25 | Lopeppeppy | I chuckled. |
| 16:59.10 | MentalPower | ok, what thread? |
| 16:59.24 | malreth | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3389612205&sid=1 |
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| 17:11.54 | Shirik | That's a cool error |
| 17:12.04 | Shirik | error C2630: ';' found in what should be a comma-separated list |
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| 17:18.57 | Xinhuan | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3414663521&sid=1 |
| 17:19.06 | Xinhuan | its rare to find cogwheel being wrong about something :D |
| 17:19.28 | cog|work | not as rare as you think :P |
| 17:19.35 | Xinhuan | /chuckle |
| 17:21.50 | Shirik|Ecole | that guy's a noob anyway :P |
| 17:22.04 | Xinhuan | kinda lol |
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| 17:26.31 | zenzelezz | not working? |
| 17:26.41 | Xinhuan | i'm still trying to think if it is possible for some creative or revolutionary addon to appear with the 2.4 changes |
| 17:27.08 | Shirik|Ecole | not working as in it's not readable |
| 17:30.17 | cog|work | Why are customers such fekking n00bs? "I know you're not open to the public but can i come visit the week of ..." |
| 17:30.25 | Shirik|Ecole | lol |
| 17:30.31 | Esamynn|Work | ... |
| 17:30.44 | Shirik|Ecole | "I'm special" |
| 17:30.52 | kergoth | you answered you're on question. the answer is, they're customers. |
| 17:30.53 | kergoth | :P |
| 17:31.14 | kaiden|work | kergoth, wow.. i've never seen anything actually hit the ' in it .. and be incorrect |
| 17:31.16 | Lunessa | I am not part of the proletariat. I am royalty! RAWR! |
| 17:31.20 | kaiden|work | usually people are just lazy and don't put it |
| 17:31.20 | kaiden|work | lol |
| 17:31.21 | kaiden|work | :) |
| 17:32.21 | kergoth | it's pretty sad that it's worth noting |
| 17:32.52 | kaiden|work | kergoth, indeed it is |
| 17:32.55 | Cide | though python-style generators would be even more awesome |
| 17:32.57 | Xinhuan | lua> pairs |
| 17:33.02 | kergoth | cog|work: just gotta say, thanks for your macro guide, they make a lot more sense now, and i'm enjoying making some crazy ones :) |
| 17:33.03 | Cide | bot is down |
| 17:33.06 | Shirik|Ecole | sorry =( |
| 17:33.09 | Cide | Xinhuan: I'm talking custom iterators |
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| 17:33.09 | Xinhuan | hmm yes i blame shirik |
| 17:33.14 | kergoth | :( |
| 17:33.23 | cog|work | Lunessa: sad thing is we do give special treatment to "royalty"... We've had CEOs and such visit from time to time |
| 17:33.29 | kaiden|work | kergoth, doesn't that always suck though when you get poinked the first repsonse is... *DEFENSIVE STANCE ATTACKKKKK* ;) |
| 17:33.33 | kaiden|work | *falls asleep* |
| 17:33.35 | Xinhuan | pairs() is still an iterator ;p |
| 17:33.40 | Shirik|Ecole | pairs = nil |
| 17:33.41 | Shirik|Ecole | no it's not |
| 17:33.42 | Cide | yes |
| 17:33.45 | Cide | yes it is :P |
| 17:33.49 | Cide | well, not really |
| 17:33.53 | Shirik|Ecole | it's nil |
| 17:33.56 | Cide | it's a function that returns an iterator expression |
| 17:33.56 | Shirik|Ecole | I don't know what you're talking about |
| 17:33.59 | Lunessa | cog|work: Which always leaves open the possibility of "me" being the next "royalty." |
| 17:34.12 | Cide | >>> pairs({ }) |
| 17:34.12 | Cide | Cide: function: 002D6FC8, { } (#1), nil |
| 17:34.20 | Xinhuan | pairs() an ipairs are iterators, its a function call on every loop |
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| 17:34.25 | Shirik|Ecole | >>> pairs = nil; return pairs |
| 17:34.25 | Cide | Shirik|Ecole: |
| 17:34.28 | Shirik|Ecole | obviously pairs is nil |
| 17:34.29 | Cide | >>> ipairs({ }) |
| 17:34.30 | Cide | Cide: function: 005E6F88, { } (#1), 0 |
| 17:34.42 | Cide | Xinhuan: technically, the iterator is the function returned by them imo :P |
| 17:34.47 | Cide | but it's just semantics |
| 17:34.49 | Shirik|Ecole | but yeah technically Cide's right :) |
| 17:34.53 | Xinhuan | pairs() and ipairs() are iterators, its a function call on every loop, i never use ipairs() ever in my code, its expensive ;p |
| 17:34.57 | Shirik|Ecole | no it's not |
| 17:35.02 | Shirik|Ecole | pairs and ipairs are only called once |
| 17:35.06 | Cide | microoptimizations ftw! |
| 17:35.06 | Xinhuan | do a test if you want |
| 17:35.09 | Cide | sure |
| 17:35.10 | Cide | sec |
| 17:35.12 | kergoth | Xinhuan: pairs() or ipairs() are called once. the iterator function they return is called every pass |
| 17:35.16 | Shirik|Ecole | the function they return is called every pass |
| 17:35.33 | Cide | >>> oldPairs = pairs; function pairs(...) print("pairs called!"0; return oldPairs(...) end; for key, value in pairs({ 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, }) do end |
| 17:35.33 | Xinhuan | that doesn't negate my point |
| 17:35.39 | Cide | >>> oldPairs = pairs; function pairs(...) print("pairs called!"; return oldPairs(...) end; for key, value in pairs({ 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, }) do end |
| 17:35.44 | Xinhuan | " its a function call on every loop" |
| 17:35.44 | Cide | >>> oldPairs = pairs; function pairs(...) print("pairs called!"); return oldPairs(...) end; for key, value in pairs({ 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, }) do end |
| 17:35.45 | Cide | Cide: "pairs called!" |
| 17:36.03 | Cide | right, but what're you gonna do instead? |
| 17:36.04 | kergoth | it depends on what you're doing, there's no point optimizing a loop if you're doing something that's only done once, and the code is clearer with it |
| 17:36.13 | Shirik|Ecole | and why would you say ipairs is expensive? |
| 17:36.14 | kergoth | well in the case of ipairs you can always for i=1,#t |
| 17:36.14 | Xinhuan | use: for i = 1, #t do |
| 17:36.23 | Cide | and what if it's pairs? |
| 17:36.27 | Xinhuan | always, over ipairs() |
| 17:36.28 | Cide | call next manually instead? |
| 17:36.34 | Shirik|Ecole | ipairs is actually better than "for i = 1, #t" |
| 17:36.42 | Xinhuan | pairs doesn't have a more efficient alternative |
| 17:36.48 | Xinhuan | nope, shirik |
| 17:36.49 | Shirik|Ecole | Otherwise #t is determined on every pass |
| 17:36.50 | Xinhuan | i've tested this |
| 17:36.53 | Esamynn|Work | spammers! :P |
| 17:36.57 | Cide | Shirik|Ecole: no it doesn't :P |
| 17:37.00 | kergoth | no, it isn't |
| 17:37.05 | Xinhuan | it is only parsed once |
| 17:37.11 | Cide | Xinhuan: do you also remove semicolons to reduce file size? |
| 17:37.16 | Shirik|Ecole | oh wait ,yeah it is |
| 17:37.17 | Xinhuan | no |
| 17:37.21 | kergoth | it's just not worth optimizing a loop like that unless you're in a critical path |
| 17:37.21 | nevcairiel | i dont even type semicolons :D |
| 17:37.27 | Shirik|Ecole | ~lart nevcairiel |
| 17:37.27 | purl | cuts nevcairiel into thin stripes |
| 17:37.34 | Cide | and spaces, tabs and newlines to make the file faster to parse? |
| 17:37.39 | Shirik|Ecole | yes |
| 17:37.42 | Shirik|Ecole | you should strip all newlines |
| 17:37.51 | Shirik|Ecole | and tabs |
| 17:37.52 | nevcairiel | that adds semicolons again |
| 17:37.52 | kergoth | hehe. gogo rowne |
| 17:37.57 | Xinhuan | but the fact is, i've reduced running time from 40 seconds to 25 seconds just by replacing all ipairs(t) with #t in my TSP.lua code |
| 17:38.32 | Cide | no you haven't |
| 17:38.32 | Xinhuan | for about 350 nodes |
| 17:38.32 | Cide | unless your code sucks donkeyballs |
| 17:38.32 | Cide | paste your code |
| 17:38.32 | Xinhuan | feel free to get it |
| 17:38.33 | Xinhuan | cartographer_routes on wowace, in tsp.lua |
| 17:38.46 | Cide | travelling salesman? |
| 17:38.48 | kergoth | it's likely that the extra function call per pass is statistically insignificant compared to whatever work you're actually doing, gotta profile it |
| 17:38.49 | Xinhuan | yes |
| 17:38.59 | Polarina | I found out how to do cross-faction communication! |
| 17:38.59 | Cide | yeah, well then you're looking at what, 350^2 calls? |
| 17:39.03 | Xinhuan | kergoth, i have loops that are 6-7 layers deep |
| 17:39.14 | Xinhuan | its more like 350^3 |
| 17:39.21 | kergoth | ahh |
| 17:39.21 | Xinhuan | with pruning |
| 17:39.21 | Cide | then ya, it'll matter |
| 17:39.30 | Cide | microoptimizations are worth doing in that case |
| 17:39.34 | Xinhuan | travelling salesmen |
| 17:39.38 | Cide | but you're stating it like a blanket statement |
| 17:39.44 | Cide | which honestly is almost never true |
| 17:39.50 | Xinhuan | oh if the table is small like 10-100 items, it won't matter |
| 17:39.56 | Xinhuan | but still.. |
| 17:39.57 | Xinhuan | :) |
| 17:40.01 | malreth | all blanket statements are never true |
| 17:40.02 | Cide | no.. not 'but still' |
| 17:40.07 | cog|work | \o/ Mal |
| 17:40.09 | cog|work | \o/ malreth |
| 17:40.11 | Xinhuan | ~lart Cide |
| 17:40.11 | purl | burns Cide to a crisp with a laser |
| 17:40.14 | cog|work | ~lart tab complete |
| 17:40.14 | purl | plops tab complete into a giant vat of herring |
| 17:40.31 | Cide | err.. cog|work's |
| 17:40.36 | Esamynn|Work | ~lart malreth |
| 17:40.36 | purl | burns malreth to a crisp with a laser |
| 17:41.08 | Xinhuan | also replacing all t[a][b] with t[a*N-b] made the code faster by another 20% or so |
| 17:41.21 | Shirik|Ecole | Polarina: Grats, now would you like to be banned? |
| 17:41.30 | Cide | depends on how sparse the tables are probably |
| 17:41.30 | Xinhuan | although supposedly table lookups in lua are supposed to be constant time? |
| 17:41.38 | Esamynn|Work | malreth: right anything with it, or should I expect a heart attack any second now? :P |
| 17:41.42 | Xinhuan | a and b are integers from 1 to N |
| 17:41.46 | Esamynn|Work | s/right/write/ |
| 17:41.49 | Xinhuan | its not sparse, its a full NxN table |
| 17:41.55 | Cide | then yes |
| 17:41.58 | Polarina | Shirik|Ecole: Wihtout addons and without getting a single character mangled. |
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| 17:42.03 | Cide | a multiplication is obviously faster than a table access |
| 17:42.36 | Xinhuan | i'm not sure how true "table lookups are constant time" is |
| 17:42.42 | nevcairiel | Polarina: its still an exploit, with or without addons. you risk getting banned for doing so, or even spreading the knowledge. only wise thing to do, notify blizz about it. |
| 17:42.42 | Cide | it's pretty true afaik |
| 17:42.48 | Cide | but it doesn't really say 'how fast' something is |
| 17:42.58 | Cide | just that it doesn't grow for large values of N |
| 17:43.17 | Polarina | nevcairiel: How? |
| 17:43.27 | Xinhuan | the multiplication+1 lookup is probably heaps faster than 2 lookups |
| 17:43.43 | Polarina | nevcairiel: It's no hacks, no 3rd pary programs or anything. |
| 17:43.45 | Cide | heaps faster? |
| 17:43.51 | matt1s | cncfanatics: Hey, did you get around to creating dynamic keybindings? |
| 17:43.51 | Polarina | nevcairiel: All in-game mechnacsim. |
| 17:43.52 | Cide | it's <2x faster |
| 17:43.58 | Xinhuan | i ended up loading up heaps of extra locals to "cache" a*N-b |
| 17:44.07 | cog|work | Polarina: it's specifically prohibited in the ToU/EULA |
| 17:44.11 | Xinhuan | since its reused multiple times |
| 17:44.15 | Cide | besides, how hard can it be? |
| 17:44.23 | nevcairiel | Polarina: that doesnt justify it. blizzard has always said that exploiting any ingame mechanics to get cross-faction communication will result in a ban. |
| 17:44.25 | cog|work | Polarina: it doesn't matter what mechanism you use |
| 17:44.31 | malreth | Esamynn is tragically killed by a gunshot to the stomach by an obsessed fan from the WoW UI & Macros forum at 12:38 pm central time |
| 17:44.33 | Polarina | It's NOT an exploit!!! |
| 17:44.40 | cog|work | Polarina: no it's not |
| 17:44.41 | Cide | doesn't matter if it's an exploit or not |
| 17:44.43 | cog|work | it's still bannable |
| 17:44.44 | Cide | it's prohibited |
| 17:44.52 | nevcairiel | Polarina: go ahead then, and name your char/server so we can report you already :P |
| 17:45.09 | Xinhuan | cross-faction chat ingame is prohibited, just like swearing ingame is |
| 17:45.15 | Xinhuan | you don't need hacks to do it |
| 17:45.18 | Esamynn|Work | malreth: you're a little late if you just wrote that, you only get seconds to write the cause of death after writing the name :P |
| 17:45.18 | Polarina | So you are telling me that putting up a [Plain Letter] on the neutral Auction House is a bannable offense?!? NONSENSE! |
| 17:45.31 | Cide | honestly |
| 17:45.38 | Cide | don't you have anything more important to do than troll this channel? |
| 17:45.40 | cog|work | Polarina: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/legal/termsofuse.html 5.B.10 |
| 17:45.46 | Cide | I want to stab you most of the time you hit enter |
| 17:45.50 | cog|work | read it and STFU |
| 17:45.52 | cncfanatics | someone pinged me ? matt1s ? |
| 17:45.54 | Esamynn|Work | ~lart Polarina |
| 17:45.54 | purl | crushes Polarina with a full height scsi disk |
| 17:46.07 | Esamynn|Work | ~botsnack |
| 17:46.07 | purl | Esamynn|Work: :) |
| 17:46.23 | malreth | Esamynn: I only started writing... i hadn't finished until just then |
| 17:46.39 | Esamynn|Work | uh huh |
| 17:46.46 | Polarina | cog|work: "Communicate **********-> directly <-********** with players who are playing characters aligned with the opposite faction". |
| 17:46.57 | malreth | it's a more poetic ending for you than a heart attack |
| 17:47.14 | nevcairiel | if a horde player knows to buy your stupid plain letter, you could as well post on a stupid forum |
| 17:47.16 | cog|work | Polarina: your point? |
| 17:47.17 | nevcairiel | now leave us alone :P |
| 17:47.29 | Xinhuan | i.e post on realm forums :) |
| 17:47.50 | Polarina | cog|work: Putting a [Plain Letter] on the netural Auction House is a indirect communication. |
| 17:47.52 | Shirik|Ecole | # Communicate directly with players who are playing characters aligned with the opposite faction (e.g. Horde communicating with Alliance or vice versa); or |
| 17:48.00 | cog|work | Polarina: you make no sense |
| 17:48.06 | Cide | he's just an ordinary troll |
| 17:48.06 | cog|work | why are you even defining that as communication? |
| 17:48.06 | Shirik|Ecole | TOS 5.B.10 |
| 17:48.08 | matt1s | cncfanatics: hey yeah, I was wondering if you got around to creating the dynamic bindings for flexbar? |
| 17:48.21 | malreth | you can auction Plain Letters? |
| 17:48.26 | nevcairiel | sure |
| 17:48.37 | kergoth | who cares? if you have to coordinate that much just to get the letter across, who gives a shit, just log on with an opposite faction alt and /w them |
| 17:48.41 | Cide | honestly, Polarina |
| 17:48.43 | Polarina | malreth: Yes, and it's a bannable offense. At least the people here say so. |
| 17:48.47 | Cide | do you do anything but type bullshit? |
| 17:48.54 | Cide | honest and serious question |
| 17:48.56 | nevcairiel | kergoth: on pvp servers you cant create opp faction alts, iirc^^ |
| 17:49.07 | malreth | Polarina: why do you even care what these people say? |
| 17:49.08 | Shirik|Ecole | And if you don't think that's it, Polarina |
| 17:49.12 | Shirik|Ecole | Then look at 5.C.3 |
| 17:49.15 | Shirik|Ecole | which pretty much covers that too |
| 17:49.40 | nevcairiel | 5.C.3 is like a ticket for everything :P |
| 17:49.44 | Shirik|Ecole | 5.C.3 is like 9.01(c) of the little league baseball |
| 17:49.51 | Xinhuan | i don't think anyone cares about letters on the AH, given the realm forums |
| 17:50.18 | Polarina | I'm going to ask a game-master. |
| 17:50.26 | Cide | Polarina reminds me of http://xkcd.com/169/ |
| 17:50.29 | Shirik|Ecole | 9.01(c) : Any event which is not specifically described within this rulebook may be subject to the judgement umpire-in-chief. |
| 17:50.40 | Shirik|Ecole | s/judgement/judgement of the/ |
| 17:50.46 | matt1s | Polarina: no don't!! You'll just provoke a 12 hour extended maintenance |
| 17:50.59 | Shirik|Ecole | rofl |
| 17:51.05 | Shirik|Ecole | I don't think 12 hour maintenance for this |
| 17:51.20 | Shirik|Ecole | easier to click the "bye bye" button |
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| 17:51.26 | Shirik|Ecole | msg cladhaire sorry!! |
| 17:51.28 | Shirik|Ecole | oops |
| 17:51.31 | cladhaire | lol |
| 17:51.45 | Xinhuan | so shirik can you tell us how you crashed it ;p |
| 17:51.52 | Cide | there |
| 17:51.53 | Shirik|Ecole | only if cladhaire fixed it |
| 17:51.58 | Cide | I should've ignored him a long time ago |
| 17:52.05 | cladhaire | wait :P |
| 17:52.12 | Xinhuan | i assume he fixed it before bringing it back up? ;p |
| 17:52.20 | cladhaire | no |
| 17:52.25 | cladhaire | i'm testing |
| 17:52.25 | cladhaire | beyatch |
| 17:52.36 | Xinhuan | ownt |
| 17:52.38 | Esamynn|Work | lol |
| 17:52.47 | Polarina | matt1s: ? |
| 17:52.59 | matt1s | it was a joke |
| 17:53.05 | Lunessa | pwnt |
| 17:53.34 | Shirik|Ecole | m_hThread = CreateThread(NULL, 0, (LPTHREAD_START_ROUTINE)(CSerialReader::msgHandler), this, CREATE_SUSPENDED, &(this->m_tid)); |
| 17:53.43 | Shirik|Ecole | I'm so going to have to rewrite it for Linux/QNX |
| 17:54.15 | cladhaire | its a stack traceback on the Lua side of thing |
| 17:54.25 | cladhaire | err on the C side |
| 17:54.29 | cladhaire | that's why I can't catch it |
| 17:54.37 | cladhaire | err |
| 17:54.43 | cladhaire | a C stack blowout |
| 17:54.45 | cladhaire | cause by you :P |
| 17:55.13 | cladhaire | i.e. bad coding, that I'm not sure how to catch |
| 17:55.14 | wereHamster | Shirik|Ecole, just compile the win32 code agaiest winelib |
| 17:55.30 | Xinhuan | on a side note, i've just replaced 26706 spaces with 6194 tabs in this addon, saving 20kb per download! |
| 17:55.39 | cladhaire | tabs > spaces |
| 17:55.40 | Polarina | :) |
| 17:55.43 | Shirik|Ecole | wereHamster: That doesn't help QNX |
| 17:56.02 | Shirik|Ecole | And if I'm going to rewrite it for QNX, since QNX is completely POSIX, it should work for Linux too |
| 17:56.06 | Cide | cladhaire: hm, it doesn't crash me |
| 17:56.10 | Xinhuan | can't blame me but this addon was written with pure spaces instead of tabs and i hated that ;p |
| 17:56.26 | cladhaire | Cide: I'm trying to figure out _why_ it crashes me. |
| 17:56.47 | Shirik|Ecole | do you use luatask cladhaire? |
| 17:56.53 | cladhaire | no, why |
| 17:57.03 | Shirik|Ecole | Ah, I just know batbot does and I've heard that it's a bit unstable |
| 17:57.10 | cladhaire | i see why it happens |
| 17:57.12 | Shirik|Ecole | so I was wondering if that was it, guess not |
| 17:57.14 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Lopeppeppy (n=Lopeppep@cpe-72-230-38-163.nycap.res.rr.com) |
| 17:57.15 | cladhaire | its a sandboxing issue |
| 17:57.19 | cladhaire | if i give you access to that metatable |
| 17:57.23 | cladhaire | you can break the main instance |
| 17:58.46 | Esamynn|Work | Xinhuan: tabs for indentation FTW, where appropriate of course ;) |
| 17:59.39 | cladhaire | What do you think the right solution is |
| 17:59.46 | cladhaire | cause this definitely gets you outside the sandb ox |
| 17:59.48 | cladhaire | lua> lua> getmetatable("").__tostring = function(x) return tostring("\n\n\nQUIT") end; print("Test") |
| 18:00.01 | cladhaire | or did it still crash it |
| 18:00.04 | cladhaire | lol |
| 18:00.10 | Shirik|Ecole | getmetatable("").__metatable = "GTFO" |
| 18:00.10 | cladhaire | oh |
| 18:00.11 | cladhaire | bot wasn't in here. |
| 18:00.12 | Esamynn|Work | ~cheeseslap malreth |
| 18:00.13 | purl | ACTION slaps malreth around with a slice of swiss |
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| 18:00.58 | Shirik|Ecole | or maybe |
| 18:01.46 | Lunessa | zomg we have enough cheese to use it as a weapon? |
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| 18:01.52 | Polarina | --> nil |
| 18:02.29 | Polarina | >>> nil |
| 18:02.29 | Cide | Polarina: nil |
| 18:02.29 | Xinhuan | haha |
| 18:02.29 | Cide | ... |
| 18:02.29 | cladhaire | Shirik|Ecole: The quit had nothing to do with it |
| 18:02.29 | Polarina | Try it on him. :) |
| 18:02.29 | Shirik|Ecole | cladhaire: I figured that |
| 18:02.29 | cladhaire | lua> getmetatable("").__tostring = function(x) return tostring("\n\n\nQUIT") end; print("Test") |
| 18:02.29 | lua_bot | cladhaire: [string "getmetatable("").__tostring = function(x) r..."]:1: C stack overflow |
| 18:02.29 | Cide | why does my bot not ignore Polarina |
| 18:02.29 | cladhaire | lua> 1 |
| 18:02.29 | lua_bot | cladhaire: 1 |
| 18:02.30 | Shirik|Ecole | I mentioned that in my post to you |
| 18:02.30 | Cide | when I'm ignoring him |
| 18:02.30 | cladhaire | Shirik|Ecole: *nod* |
| 18:02.30 | cladhaire | Cide: That's unfortuante |
| 18:02.30 | Polarina | Cide: Why are you ignoring me? |
| 18:02.33 | Cide | yes, yes it is |
| 18:02.41 | Cide | I could just block him |
| 18:02.42 | Cide | I think I will |
| 18:02.47 | Polarina | Why? |
| 18:02.52 | Polarina | What did I do? |
| 18:03.06 | Xinhuan | so would this affect __tonumber and others as well? |
| 18:03.08 | nevcairiel | haha classic |
| 18:03.14 | Shirik|Ecole | getmetatable("").__metatable = setmetatable({}, {__index = getmetatable("").__metatable; __metatable = nil}); |
| 18:03.20 | cladhaire | Xinhuan: yep |
| 18:03.21 | Shirik|Ecole | er, not __metatable = nil |
| 18:03.24 | Shirik|Ecole | __metatable = {} |
| 18:03.31 | cladhaire | lua> getmetatable("").__tostring = nil |
| 18:03.32 | lua_bot | cladhaire: |
| 18:03.32 | Shirik|Ecole | that should lock it down while giving us access to see it |
| 18:04.04 | malreth | you wacky kids... i'll see you all again after lunch |
| 18:04.17 | cladhaire | if it breaks, it breaks |
| 18:04.20 | cladhaire | i'll know who did it |
| 18:04.23 | cladhaire | and i can ban them acordingly :P |
| 18:04.30 | cladhaire | accordingly |
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| 18:08.07 | Dreagar | Hey guys. |
| 18:08.18 | Dreagar | yer favorite noobs here. :D |
| 18:08.31 | art3mis | he is? |
| 18:08.38 | art3mis | oh wait there he is... hi clad! |
| 18:08.46 | Cide | Shirik|Ecole's been here for a while |
| 18:08.48 | Xinhuan | ok noob, what is 1+1? |
| 18:08.50 | Xinhuan | :) |
| 18:08.53 | art3mis | and cide and xin! |
| 18:09.03 | art3mis | wow ALL the noobs are here today |
| 18:09.10 | Dreagar | 10? |
| 18:09.11 | Shirik|Ecole | Cide: =( |
| 18:09.13 | art3mis | or all the wow noobs are here today |
| 18:09.45 | art3mis | well dammit |
| 18:09.47 | Xinhuan | wel, this channel has half the numbers of #wowace, but twice the chat |
| 18:10.20 | art3mis | ya know how sometimes your arms bend wierdly when you're streching and you have no control really ovver them til yer finished stretching |
| 18:10.38 | art3mis | i managed to poke myself in the eye with my thumb nail doing that this morning |
| 18:10.44 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 18:10.49 | kergoth | lol |
| 18:10.49 | Dreagar | wow.... that takes some skill |
| 18:10.53 | art3mis | i know |
| 18:11.02 | art3mis | but it was such a good wake up stretch |
| 18:11.04 | nevcairiel | thats a weird stretching angle anyway |
| 18:11.21 | kergoth | i need to ask a doc about how much my joints crack, its ridiculous |
| 18:11.38 | kergoth | i often crack both my wrists, my neck in multiple places, my feet and ankles even just by walking.. |
| 18:11.39 | kergoth | its odd |
| 18:11.50 | art3mis | yawns raised my arms they bent at the elbow behind my head and en route BAM right in my eye |
| 18:11.53 | kergoth | every time i stretch my body makes noises |
| 18:11.55 | kergoth | it shouldnt do that |
| 18:11.55 | Xinhuan | you can find info on that on wikipedia |
| 18:11.58 | kergoth | true |
| 18:12.13 | Xinhuan | its something to do with dissolved gasses or something |
| 18:12.20 | art3mis | kergoth: maybe you have austrolepithicus |
| 18:12.22 | Xinhuan | /shrug |
| 18:12.26 | kergoth | my ex girlfriend taught me how to crack my thumbs, that was new |
| 18:12.32 | Dreagar | so i got a problem i been beatin my head against for 2 days now. i'm hopin someone can give me a fresh look and some insight. |
| 18:12.39 | kergoth | ask away |
| 18:14.04 | Dreagar | Got this levelguide addon. it has 3 drop downs. when u do the third one, it opens a new frame (stepframe) which has next and prev buttons. The buttons work great! until you open and close the map. (no map addons installed, cart installed, and metamap installed all does the same thing) after closing the map, you hit the buttons, and it doesn't change the step on stepframe, it reloads the current step. |
| 18:14.07 | Dreagar | here's a pastey. |
| 18:14.45 | Dreagar | http://wowi.pastey.net/79014 <--- the step buttons are at the bottom |
| 18:14.58 | Dreagar | and the buttons are created in the function that sets up the stepframe |
| 18:15.30 | Dreagar | not asking for a fix unless you know one and don't mind sharing. a push in the right direction would be bestest. :D |
| 18:15.55 | Xinhuan | err pasting 350 lines of code isn't quite the best way to as for a solution ;p |
| 18:16.09 | Xinhuan | ask* |
| 18:17.23 | Dreagar | well i've tried just postin the three ufnctions that seem to be in question but everyone seems to always say, 'looks fine to me'. and 'can we see the rest'? lol. figured i'd err on overkill. lol |
| 18:17.24 | Xinhuan | mu guess is that your dropdown menus have onshow scripts? |
| 18:17.36 | Xinhuan | that generate the menus? |
| 18:17.50 | Dreagar | yeah, initialize functions. they're in there. |
| 18:18.08 | Xinhuan | yes, your buttons are retrieving the values of those menus |
| 18:18.24 | Xinhuan | but onshow re initalizes them to something else i guess? |
| 18:19.30 | Dreagar | yup. well the buttons work great, until you open and close the map, then they don't change the dropdown values, tho they do pick em up (see the debug lines in the button) the GetSelectedValue changes, but the drop down and stepframe don't actually change? |
| 18:20.04 | Xinhuan | (i didn't actually read any of your code, its too long to read even using 30 min) |
| 18:20.32 | Xinhuan | however, because menus are generated using functions onshow, you're resetting something somewhere |
| 18:21.04 | Dreagar | i'm followin Xin, and i agree, but why would it work fine only until i open and close the map ? |
| 18:21.27 | Xinhuan | when you reinitialize the menu, its "prev value" isn't remembered |
| 18:21.49 | Xinhuan | setselectedvalue() only stores it in the global dropdownmenu frame object |
| 18:22.03 | Xinhuan | so if you initialized another menu, the other one is lost |
| 18:22.15 | Xinhuan | i think? |
| 18:22.28 | Xinhuan | not sure, been a long time since i last used blizzard menus |
| 18:23.13 | Xinhuan | when in doubt, just start adding ChatFrame1:AddMessages(variables) everywhere |
| 18:23.19 | Xinhuan | to debug their values |
| 18:24.40 | Dreagar | well i got a couple in there. in the button, it's got GetSelectedValue() and after the map is open and close,this continues to increment when pressing the button, when you feed it to SetSelectedValue() it doesn't change the dropdown as it did before you opened the map. |
| 18:26.05 | Xinhuan | have you actually opened up framexml\uipaneltemplates.lua to look at what SetSelectedValue() does? |
| 18:26.36 | Xinhuan | uidropdownmenu.lua rather |
| 18:27.34 | ScytheBlade1 | cog|work: "If this thread was moved from another forum, I apologize for anything I may have said. " That's incredible... |
| 18:28.12 | Dreagar | yupper. |
| 18:28.23 | Xinhuan | UIDropDownMenu_GetText(LGLevelRangeZoneStepsDD); |
| 18:28.23 | cog|work | hehe... I've bitched out too many people for double-posting or not reading the stickies when their thread was moved from customer service/tech support :P |
| 18:28.27 | Xinhuan | isn't the same |
| 18:28.53 | Dreagar | that's how i figured out how to use it. was using gettext first, and switched to value, and neither one was working properly. |
| 18:29.29 | Lunessa | Do not put head in Mongo Bat (tm). |
| 18:29.30 | Dreagar | the GetText is just for the loop purposes, |
| 18:30.05 | Xinhuan | you need to add more print messages in there |
| 18:31.14 | Dreagar | allright, i'll keep workin at it that way and see what i can figure and get back to ya'll later. :D |
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| 18:55.49 | kergoth | what's the max macro lenght again? 255? |
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| 18:56.54 | art3mis | yesh |
| 18:57.30 | kergoth | hmm, can any macro experts think of a better way to do this: http://pastey.net/79018 |
| 18:59.07 | kergoth | on a related note, http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/3083 is handy, let me see the character count of the pastey editbox :P |
| 19:00.44 | zenzelezz | I guess... but pastey has the character count listed just underneath the box anyway? |
| 19:00.51 | Cide | ya, 242 :P |
| 19:01.06 | zenzelezz | updates as you type also |
| 19:01.22 | kergoth | it does? |
| 19:01.30 | zenzelezz | does for me anyway |
| 19:01.35 | kergoth | oh, i'm an idiot, i forgot to allow pastey.net to use JS (noscript..) |
| 19:01.36 | kergoth | :P |
| 19:01.42 | zenzelezz | :-) |
| 19:01.57 | kergoth | <3 noscript |
| 19:02.12 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 19:03.01 | nevcairiel | does the 255 char limit apply to macrotext buttons as well, btw? |
| 19:03.07 | kergoth | dont think so |
| 19:04.40 | Cide | anyway |
| 19:04.40 | Cide | http://pastey.net/79019 |
| 19:04.43 | Cide | doesn't that work? |
| 19:05.05 | nevcairiel | ./target pettarget works? |
| 19:05.09 | Cide | sure |
| 19:05.24 | nevcairiel | i would have done /target [target=pettarget] |
| 19:05.25 | nevcairiel | or so |
| 19:05.33 | Cide | same thing |
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| 19:06.51 | kergoth | good point, guess i was approaching from the perspective of only trying to target once, but its easier to just let it re-target something else instaed |
| 19:06.54 | kergoth | less /stopmacro'ing |
| 19:07.24 | Cide | I'm terrible with macros |
| 19:07.36 | Cide | so take everything I paste with regards to macros with a grain of salt |
| 19:07.39 | Cide | and plenty of testing :P |
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| 19:10.08 | haste | I'm like that also |
| 19:10.10 | kergoth | what's with the semicolon on the final /target there? |
| 19:10.20 | zenzelezz | Cide: "beware bugs in the above code; I have only proven it correct, not troed it" |
| 19:10.22 | zenzelezz | *tried |
| 19:10.51 | Cide | kergoth: I had a beautiful proof of why it works, but it didn't fit in the 80-char comment margin |
| 19:10.52 | zenzelezz | it's like the number one rule when offering code |
| 19:14.13 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:14.55 | Cide | the ; there is to separate it from the next option group |
| 19:15.05 | Cide | so that if the first [] matches, it targets the focus |
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| 19:15.17 | Cide | otherwise it would look up the attributes on the focus but still target the focustargettarget (I think) |
| 19:15.41 | kergoth | it doesn't stop at the first successful set of conditions? |
| 19:15.56 | Cide | it does |
| 19:16.06 | zenzelezz | don't think so |
| 19:16.14 | Cide | but as far as I know |
| 19:16.21 | Cide | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:16.27 | Cide | would be equivalent to |
| 19:16.29 | zenzelezz | I have a macro with two "/equip [button:1]", both get equipped |
| 19:16.35 | Cide | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:16.47 | zenzelezz | ah, I misunderstood |
| 19:16.50 | Cide | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:16.51 | kergoth | zenzelezz: i'm talking about the first set of [] within a single command, not seperate commands |
| 19:16.58 | zenzelezz | yeah, I figured too late |
| 19:17.00 | Cide | err, my bad |
| 19:17.08 | Cide | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:17.20 | Cide | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:17.34 | Cide | with the second one not executing if the first one succeeded |
| 19:17.42 | Cide | my construct should be equivalent to: |
| 19:17.50 | Cide | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:17.53 | Cide | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:18.02 | kergoth | doesnt [target=] override an argument target though? |
| 19:18.02 | Cide | with that said, you can remove exists form both of those; harm implies it |
| 19:18.07 | kergoth | i thought i remember reading that in cog's macro guide |
| 19:18.23 | Cide | dunno |
| 19:18.24 | Cide | maybe |
| 19:18.37 | Cide | like I said, no clue! ask cog |
| 19:18.41 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:18.45 | kergoth | fun stuff, these macros |
| 19:19.38 | malreth | http://consumerist.com/consumer/silly/thought-process-behind-listerine-label-finally-revealed-334006.php |
| 19:19.56 | kergoth | i take it processing a macro is atomic from the user perspective, right? after hitting a button i can't do anything mid-macro |
| 19:20.11 | Cide | except stop it |
| 19:21.24 | Shirik|Ecole | yey, I crashed visual studio |
| 19:21.29 | Shirik|Ecole | grr |
| 19:22.01 | zenzelezz | how? |
| 19:22.03 | kergoth | it'd be cool if i could specify a condition that's true for all the sets of conditions for a line. like /target {harm,nomodifier} [target=focus] [target=focustarget] [target=focustargettarget] |
| 19:22.23 | nevcairiel | that would be too easy kergy :P |
| 19:22.36 | kergoth | :P |
| 19:22.46 | Shirik|Ecole | I'm not quite sure how yet |
| 19:23.00 | Shirik|Ecole | All I know is I got "first chance exception: unsigned long at <some memory address>" |
| 19:23.00 | nevcairiel | which visual studio? |
| 19:23.08 | nevcairiel | i had 2005 crash on me quite often |
| 19:23.13 | Shirik|Ecole | so I hit "continue" and it's like "pass exception onto program being debugged? And I click "no" |
| 19:23.16 | Shirik|Ecole | then everything went to hell |
| 19:23.28 | Shirik|Ecole | 2007 |
| 19:23.29 | Shirik|Ecole | 2008& |
| 19:23.37 | nevcairiel | never used |
| 19:23.39 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 19:23.49 | nevcairiel | i should get that from MSDNAA for testing |
| 19:24.12 | Shirik|Ecole | This: Unhandled exception at 0x7c812a5b in BoarduinoDriver.exe: Microsoft C++ exception: unsigned long at memory location 0x0051febc.. |
| 19:24.25 | Shirik|Ecole | and if I click no on "pass on to program being debugged" |
| 19:24.30 | Shirik|Ecole | it's all like "rawr I eat you" |
| 19:25.29 | nevcairiel | hrm no visual studio 2007 in my MSDNAA thingy yet |
| 19:25.35 | Shirik|Ecole | 2008? |
| 19:25.54 | nevcairiel | nah |
| 19:25.57 | nevcairiel | 2005 is the latest |
| 19:26.03 | Shirik|Ecole | boo |
| 19:26.21 | kergoth | does blizzard's main assist work in a party, or just raid? |
| 19:26.29 | nevcairiel | guess i'll check at the university next week, in the local net its sometimes more recent |
| 19:26.36 | Shirik|Ecole | what I REALLY don't understand is how that error's occuring |
| 19:26.38 | Shirik|Ecole | this is the line: |
| 19:26.41 | Shirik|Ecole | self->m_tail = (self->m_tail + 1) % self->m_bufSize; |
| 19:26.46 | nevcairiel | kergoth: only raid |
| 19:26.49 | kergoth | boo |
| 19:26.51 | Shirik|Ecole | how does that throw an exception :/ |
| 19:27.11 | nevcairiel | hm |
| 19:27.36 | nevcairiel | i wanted to say variable overflow, but thats unlikely |
| 19:27.54 | nevcairiel | with your % there :P |
| 19:28.05 | zenzelezz | do you know what variable was at the address it said? |
| 19:28.07 | Shirik|Ecole | m_bufSize is 16 and self->m_tail should never exceed that; they're both unsigned.... something, sec |
| 19:28.52 | Shirik|Ecole | they're both volatile unsigned short |
| 19:29.05 | Shirik|Ecole | I can check in a second zenzelezz :) |
| 19:30.55 | Shirik|Ecole | oh |
| 19:30.57 | Shirik|Ecole | I'm an idiot |
| 19:31.14 | Xinhuan | Forum Maintenance Notification |
| 19:31.15 | Xinhuan | This forum is currently undergoing maintenance, please check back at a later time. |
| 19:31.17 | Xinhuan | damn |
| 19:31.20 | Xinhuan | what am i going to do now |
| 19:31.33 | zenzelezz | lol |
| 19:32.16 | kergoth | http://pastey.net/79022 - in order of preference, targets assisttarget, focus, focustarget, focustargettarget, nearest mob, unless shift is held down, in which case it prefers pettarget, or ctrl is down, which prefers the focus (to re-trap or whatever).. in theory |
| 19:32.37 | zenzelezz | just out of curiosity, why are you throwing that value? Easier to debug from one central location in the code? |
| 19:34.18 | cncfanatics | meh |
| 19:34.23 | cncfanatics | u can do that WAY easyer in flexbar kergoth :p |
| 19:34.49 | cogwheel | [target=] will override a target parameter except in very specific cases. http://www.wowwiki.com/Making_a_macro#.5Btarget.3D.5D_vs._unit_parameters |
| 19:36.22 | kergoth | interesting |
| 19:38.39 | cogwheel | (wiki's a bit out of date compared to my sticky but it's much easier to link to ;) ) |
| 19:40.33 | kergoth | cogwheel: so since /target's key unit is target, if you use any [] conditions that don't change the target to something else, then it can fall back to the unit you specify as the argument? |
| 19:40.48 | cogwheel | yep |
| 19:40.55 | kergoth | cool, makes sense |
| 19:40.58 | kergoth | thanks |
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| 19:41.40 | cncfanatics | something blizzard made actualy makes sense ? |
| 19:41.41 | cncfanatics | thats new |
| 19:42.30 | kergoth | sorta, i guess it was done this way to make things simplier/easier |
| 19:45.05 | Fisker- | haha nevcairiel |
| 19:45.23 | Fisker- | select and msdn licenses > your silly MSDNAA |
| 19:45.38 | Fisker- | i probably should highjack VS 2008 as well |
| 19:45.50 | Fisker- | I believe our license grants me the right to keep it as long it's not used for commercial purposes |
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| 20:07.01 | Lunessa | Oh lordy. We're all candy canes on the forums. |
| 20:07.30 | Thunder_Child | and off the forums as well |
| 20:09.57 | Lunessa | I refuse to be candy striped, unless she's cute. |
| 20:10.58 | Thunder_Child | might be going the other way |
| 20:11.03 | Xuerian_Alt | What's on the PTRs? 0_o |
| 20:11.18 | Thunder_Child | uhh...patches... |
| 20:11.26 | Xuerian | Right, what patch? |
| 20:11.39 | Thunder_Child | 2.3.2 |
| 20:12.03 | Xuerian | Any human-readable upcoming changes posted anywhere? |
| 20:12.14 | Thunder_Child | http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?topic=2506.0 |
| 20:12.55 | Xuerian | danke |
| 20:13.53 | Thunder_Child | welcome |
| 20:16.44 | Shirik|Ecole | ok, is anyone else getting random 500 errors on msdn? |
| 20:17.30 | Thunder_Child | no Shirik|AFK, the rest of us dont cross wires |
| 20:18.03 | Shirik|Ecole | ... |
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| 20:18.21 | zenzelezz | very cursory testing says no, I get no errors |
| 20:18.42 | Thunder_Child | neither am i |
| 20:19.39 | Shirik|Ecole | grr |
| 20:20.44 | Thunder_Child | if there is a particular page that you are getting a 500 on link it |
| 20:20.53 | Shirik|Ecole | no it's just random |
| 20:20.57 | Shirik|Ecole | though I was getting it on CreateThread() |
| 20:20.58 | Thunder_Child | ok |
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| 20:25.11 | Thunder_Child | wth can domains not be numbers only? |
| 20:25.38 | Taeri | They're in the process of enabling that I think. |
| 20:25.46 | Taeri | but as of right now, I don't think so. |
| 20:26.07 | Thunder_Child | huh...i wonder why |
| 20:26.17 | zenzelezz | like www.888.com ? (poker site) |
| 20:26.43 | Thunder_Child | no it isnt |
| 20:27.03 | Thunder_Child | or at least i cant conenct to it |
| 20:27.08 | zenzelezz | loads for me |
| 20:27.09 | Taeri | i can 0.o |
| 20:27.35 | Thunder_Child | nope, still not for me |
| 20:27.52 | Thunder_Child | although http://www.8888.com/ does |
| 20:27.55 | Taeri | I blame your dns! |
| 20:28.11 | zenzelezz | http://whois.net/search.cgi2?str=888.com |
| 20:28.18 | zenzelezz | several numeric domains |
| 20:29.06 | Taeri | the wow fansite kits needs some.. more features. |
| 20:29.10 | Taeri | and neato stuff |
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| 20:34.54 | Taeri | I do like the new themething on the wow-europe sites though. .o |
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| 20:58.38 | kergoth`food | question, can 'nomodifier' take options? would nomodifier:shift match if either there's no modifier, or the modifier is ctrl/alt? |
| 20:59.14 | cogwheel | "no" is just a prefix you can add to any modifier clause |
| 20:59.28 | malreth | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:59.39 | Josh_Borke | no is the new yes |
| 20:59.57 | kergoth`food | okay, thanks |
| 21:00.30 | cogwheel | http://www.wowwiki.com/Making_a_macro#Condition_syntax :P |
| 21:06.03 | Taeri | question, can i /gleader someone, and still stay a guildleader myself? or is that just giving away my guildleader status? |
| 21:06.18 | malreth | there can be only one |
| 21:06.21 | laindir | guild's have exactly one leader |
| 21:06.26 | Taeri | Alright! |
| 21:06.29 | Taeri | thanks ^^ |
| 21:06.40 | malreth | the new leader slices off your head and receives the quickening |
| 21:06.45 | laindir | lol |
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| 21:07.50 | Thunder_Child | malreth, i was thiking more along the lines of "the one" than highlander |
| 21:08.00 | Thunder_Child | thinking* |
| 21:08.02 | Thunder_Child | you fail |
| 21:08.10 | malreth | ~fail Thunder_Child |
| 21:08.11 | purl | Thunder_Child: Fail. |
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| 21:09.35 | Thunder_Child | ~lart malreth |
| 21:09.35 | purl | squishes malreth like a bug |
| 21:09.45 | Thunder_Child | ~victory |
| 21:09.59 | Thunder_Child | ... |
| 21:10.05 | foxlit | grr |
| 21:10.10 | foxlit | I wrote too many token session systems |
| 21:10.39 | Lunessa | someone do me a favor and shoot me? / |
| 21:10.51 | foxlit | Almost too quit, malreth :P |
| 21:10.59 | foxlit | Odd condition, since I neither want to write another one nor can I reuse any of the past ones. qq |
| 21:11.33 | malreth | well, well, well... |
| 21:17.02 | deltron | kergoth`food: lots here in missouri :P |
| 21:19.21 | malreth|undead | well... dies again |
| 21:19.26 | malreth|undead | undeath is a bitch |
| 21:19.59 | Thunder_Child | locks* |
| 21:21.04 | Cairenn|afk | have I mentioned lately that you guys are really weird? |
| 21:21.14 | Thunder_Child | no |
| 21:21.19 | [dRaCo] | guess they do know. |
| 21:21.22 | Cairenn|afk | consider it mentioned |
| 21:21.54 | foxlit | At least we don't talk while afk :) |
| 21:21.56 | Josh_Borke | ~emulate JoshBorke |
| 21:21.57 | purl | ACTION hugs Cairenn |
| 21:22.18 | Thunder_Child | foxlit, many people around here do |
| 21:22.34 | foxlit | I solve the problem by simply not flagging |afk |
| 21:22.38 | Thunder_Child | Tem|AFK, Shirik|AFK, MentalPower|AFK just to name a few |
| 21:22.41 | Thunder_Child | me either |
| 21:23.04 | Cairenn|afk | foxlit: ;) |
| 21:23.49 | malreth|undead | oh.. how embarassing |
| 21:24.39 | Thunder_Child | pull your self together man! |
| 21:24.54 | Josh_Borke | this is no time to fall to pieces! |
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| 21:25.17 | Thunder_Child | we all know your broken up about it |
| 21:25.26 | cogwheel | give him a break, guys |
| 21:25.35 | Josh_Borke | arm or leg? |
| 21:25.41 | Cairenn|afk | so much for hating puns, Thunder_Child |
| 21:25.46 | cogwheel | mmm... jaw perhaps? |
| 21:25.48 | Josh_Borke | or what about a rib bone? |
| 21:25.51 | Josh_Borke | those are fun |
| 21:25.52 | Thunder_Child | i do hate them, i am also quite good at them |
| 21:25.58 | Josh_Borke | oh i know! |
| 21:25.59 | Josh_Borke | pelvis bone |
| 21:26.20 | Thunder_Child | MAKE THE HURTING STOP! |
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| 21:38.10 | Thunder_Child | "(13:26:18) * @Cairenn|afk poofs again" is it just more or does this sound like she farted? |
| 21:38.22 | Thunder_Child | s/more/me/ |
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| 21:46.12 | Cairenn | no, it sounds like I had to go do some errands :p |
| 21:46.58 | *** join/#wowi-lounge bleetah (n=Bleeter@guifications/developer/bleeter) |
| 21:47.34 | bleetah | all I can say is... lol@SoC lock premades on PTR |
| 21:48.04 | bleetah | PTR needz moar lulz lik taht |
| 21:48.44 | sag_ich_nicht | oO |
| 21:48.57 | bleetah | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3466286604&sid=1 |
| 21:50.30 | |Jelly|Laptop | So. I'm wearing both socks and shoes. Why are my feet this cold...in Texas?!? :( |
| 21:51.15 | bleetah | |Jelly|Laptop: .. 'coz u suk? |
| 21:51.50 | malreth|undead | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:52.14 | bleetah | I might go to the beach this arvo |
| 21:52.18 | bleetah | maybe have a beer |
| 21:52.18 | bleetah | a bbq |
| 21:52.25 | bleetah | look at the girlies in their bikinis, too |
| 21:52.31 | bleetah | so |
| 21:52.35 | bleetah | sux to be u guys :P |
| 21:53.49 | bleetah | hell, I think there's even free wireless near that beach, too |
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| 21:58.48 | sag_ich_nicht | lulz bleetah |
| 21:58.53 | |Jelly|Laptop | lol |
| 21:59.12 | |Jelly|Laptop | I just need someone to keep me warm. kek |
| 21:59.56 | bleetah | have a sex change... and... hmm. nah, still pass |
| 22:00.01 | |Jelly|Laptop | ROFLAMO |
| 22:00.07 | bleetah | coz u'd still b ugly! :P |
| 22:00.57 | Lunessa | .... this went unexpected places... |
| 22:01.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Not really. |
| 22:01.28 | |Jelly|Laptop | Bunch of homos here thinking I'm talking about them. |
| 22:01.37 | ScytheBlade1 | I just read what bletter was saying, and he's probably wasted right now. |
| 22:01.42 | |Jelly|Laptop | hehe |
| 22:01.49 | bleetah | wasted? at 9AM??? |
| 22:02.30 | bleetah | when I'm about to *drive* to the beach? |
| 22:02.30 | |Jelly|Laptop | yeah...so/ |
| 22:02.30 | Lunessa | Best time to be wasted. |
| 22:02.30 | bleetah | and try and pick up sheilas in bikinis whilst drinking beer?! |
| 22:02.30 | Lunessa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPASk0wZKFU |
| 22:02.30 | ScytheBlade1 | 17:02 < bleetah> and try and pick up sheilas in bikinis whilst drinking beer?! |
| 22:02.30 | bleetah | er d/try and/ |
| 22:02.35 | ScytheBlade1 | So going to quote that out of context at a later date |
| 22:03.05 | bleetah | ScytheBlade1: I know you prefer men in bikinis, but we don't all need to be reminded |
| 22:03.08 | Lunessa | That video is so wrong. |
| 22:03.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Whoa, I just realized you were "tah" instead of "ter" |
| 22:03.59 | bleetah | <<laptop while visiting friend |
| 22:04.10 | bleetah | bleeter: << irssi + screen ftw |
| 22:04.19 | ScytheBlade1 | That makes a bit more sense |
| 22:04.23 | bleetah | yes, I could tunnel home and pick it up, but cbf |
| 22:04.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Minus the "friend" part |
| 22:05.14 | bleetah | damnit, they need to fix the SoC bug.. apparently there's auctioneer npcs getting killed, so we can't test :/ |
| 22:05.27 | bleetah | well, not a bug... snafu |
| 22:09.14 | bleetah | fwiw, my ping on PTR was insanely low |
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| 22:09.38 | laindir | so long, nagle's algorithm :) |
| 22:09.41 | bleetah | running the Win32 reg hack, and 2.3.2, dunno if they combine to be 'better', but it was a pretty low ping for busy IF |
| 22:09.52 | bleetah | the reg hack in place for live |
| 22:10.04 | bleetah | RUN AWAY! IT'S KD3! |
| 22:10.08 | kd3 | gasp |
| 22:10.24 | bleetah | kd3: folks were requesting your PTR find the stickies pic yesterday... I said you were prolly still hatenet |
| 22:10.59 | kd3 | </3 user.reg bugging out and tossing most of my wine settings |
| 22:11.54 | bleetah | ~lart kd3 |
| 22:11.54 | purl | brandishes Excalibur! "With this sword, I vanquish thee, kd3!" and lops off kd3's head |
| 22:12.03 | bleetah | for not keeping backups, you see |
| 22:13.30 | kd3 | http://spyglass-server.com/pub/imageshack.txt |
| 22:13.38 | kd3 | faster than dealing with pastey's anti-spam measures |
| 22:13.40 | cncfanatics | bleetah |
| 22:13.50 | cncfanatics | ur the one to bug about getting ping lower on linux right ? |
| 22:14.21 | bleetah | cncfanatics: not necessarily, there's a thread in the tech support forum about it. |
| 22:14.32 | bleetah | cncfanatics: and it's needless once 2.3.2 goes live, anyways |
| 22:14.39 | kd3 | it's linked from http://wowwiki.com/Patch_2.3.2 in the infobox off to the right |
| 22:14.51 | bleetah | ah yes, cncfanatics, what kd3 said |
| 22:15.11 | cncfanatics | k k |
| 22:15.15 | cncfanatics | 2.3.2 release is when ? |
| 22:15.22 | bleetah | when it's ready |
| 22:15.33 | kd3 | next week or two, hopefully |
| 22:15.33 | Thunder_Child | crap...i gave away all of my am-bm cables and now i need one :( |
| 22:15.35 | bleetah | my guess: this tuesday, or sometime next year ;) |
| 22:17.53 | kd3 | oh wow. they've already switched to the holiday theme on the forum |
| 22:18.21 | bleetah | yeah |
| 22:18.41 | bleetah | also, Oceanic realms (well at least khaz'goroth) had the winterveil NPCs out this morning, US realms didn't seem to |
| 22:18.48 | bleetah | I guess that's 'coz you guys are behind the times |
| 22:19.20 | Lukian | haha woot |
| 22:19.24 | Lukian | Oceanic ftw |
| 22:20.03 | Josh_Borke | not until tomorrow |
| 22:20.07 | Thunder_Child | you people are so easily distracted by events |
| 22:20.21 | kergoth | s/ by events/ |
| 22:20.25 | kergoth | er, s/ by events// |
| 22:20.35 | Thunder_Child | point |
| 22:21.02 | bleetah | oO " The patch notes that were included with this build (7705) are actually for the next build (7710)." |
| 22:21.05 | bleetah | ^^ sez hortus |
| 22:21.25 | sag_ich_nicht | lol |
| 22:22.03 | bleetah | just asking whether nagle's disabled in 7705 |
| 22:22.09 | bleetah | hope he responds ;) |
| 22:24.24 | Thunder_Child | the new build from today/yesterday has the disabled algorithm |
| 22:24.54 | bleetah | TC: You've confirmed with Blizz? As stated above, patch notes are for wrong version. |
| 22:25.01 | bleetah | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3466366611&sid=1 |
| 22:25.34 | Thunder_Child | yes bleetah, i took a 2 hr drive to go ask them in person |
| 22:26.17 | Thunder_Child | i dont like bleetah...bleeter is better |
| 22:28.16 | Thunder_Child | http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/googlepedia/google-puts-wikipedia-in-its-sights-to-launch-knol-open-encyclopedia-334003.php |
| 22:28.41 | bleetah | Thunder_Child: well, too bad. anyways, so you've done an inspection of network traffic on PTR and confirmed it's disabled then? |
| 22:29.53 | Thunder_Child | would you like another sarcastic answer? i have lots. No i have not checked personaly. |
| 22:31.42 | bleetah | (9:24:23 AM) Thunder_Child: the new build from today/yesterday has the disabled algorithm << you can't seem to be able to verify this, so I shan't edit my question to Hortus in the thread posted |
| 22:31.54 | Thunder_Child | bleetah, thats fine |
| 22:34.10 | sag_ich_nicht | ... |
| 22:34.19 | sag_ich_nicht | just open a damn fucking sniffer and check if it sets the flag |
| 22:34.22 | sag_ich_nicht | -.- |
| 22:34.42 | Thunder_Child | voulentering sag_ich_nicht? |
| 22:34.55 | sag_ich_nicht | no, because PTR won't install for me because of a still not fixed bug since 2.0 :P |
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| 22:56.45 | zenzelezz | this Tales of the past 3 is utterly amazing |
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| 23:01.18 | batrick | hi friends |
| 23:01.32 | zenzelezz | ahoy |
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| 23:06.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | zenz: is it drama, comedy, pvp, what? :o |
| 23:06.51 | Lunessa | ok, the working day is over. Time to brave traffic and go home. See you folks on Monday. |
| 23:07.08 | zenzelezz | as far as I can tell from the first 23 minutes it's a sort of drama based on lore, with some comedy and whatnot |
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| 23:09.55 | cogwheel | ~seen cowgra |
| 23:09.59 | purl | cowgra <n=Cowgra@c-69-242-237-189.hsd1.ar.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 18d 1h 4m 27s ago, saying: 'i've been trying to figure out the same thing bleeter'. |
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| 23:43.20 | Dreagar | hope ya'll have a great nite. :D |
| 23:46.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | zenz: i'd have to agree with the myndflame crew, re: running time |
| 23:46.54 | zenzelezz | I have no idea what they said; but run length is very much a personal preference thing. I like it long |
| 23:47.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | it shoulda been split into 3 20 minute movies and a 30 min finale or cut, imo |
| 23:47.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | 90 minutes for machinima is too long |
| 23:47.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | and i'm waiting for the stream to come up before i watch it |
| 23:48.14 | zenzelezz | I disagree about the length; but as I said I think it's a personal thing so I won't argue your opinion |
| 23:48.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | i think most films could use some cutting, too, though |
| 23:48.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | too many movies run far too long for their story |
| 23:49.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | i.e. king kong was about an hour too long |
| 23:49.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | i love peter jackson but sometimes it's a good thing to cut it down to be coherent and not drag |
| 23:49.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Holy crap yes. |
| 23:49.38 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.pennyarcademerch.com/pah070071.html |
| 23:50.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2006/04/10 |
| 23:51.07 | *** join/#wowi-lounge sparqzorz (n=ILOVEWOW@71.128.253.236) |
| 23:51.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | tycho is amazing with words |
| 23:51.37 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Mike-N-Go (n=MikeNGoS@64.193.93.197) |
| 23:52.38 | sparqzorz | Yo go check it out. beta sign ups for WLK http://wowwlkbeta.tk/ |
| 23:52.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Flat out amazing. |
| 23:52.51 | ScytheBlade1 | sparqzorz: lol. Inc kickban. |
| 23:52.53 | Cide | or not |
| 23:53.02 | Cide | you probably don't want to click that link |
| 23:53.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's some lovecraftian crap there, scytheblade |
| 23:53.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | Cairenn|afk cladhaire dolby-wowi alert alert |
| 23:53.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | dammit |
| 23:53.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | >:[ |
| 23:53.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Mr_Rabies2: pennyarcade! |
| 23:53.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | yes i know |
| 23:53.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | i linked the comic |
| 23:53.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | :p |
| 23:53.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | but it's very lovecraftian |
| 23:53.54 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 23:53.59 | ScytheBlade1 | I missed that with ILOVEWOW joining |
| 23:54.22 | ScytheBlade1 | lol @ the site he linked |
| 23:54.33 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:55.00 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ don't type anything in there if you have a clue in your head |
| 23:55.50 | ScytheBlade1 | But you'd think they would at least name the site something creative. |
| 23:55.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm not even going to click on it |
| 23:56.51 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 23:56.52 | ScytheBlade1 | http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/7615/esentwq2.jpg |
| 23:56.59 | ScytheBlade1 | They're using imageshack for image hosting on their website |
