| 00:00.25 | cogwheel | OMW HOME 4RL |
| 00:00.28 | cogwheel | laterz |
| 00:02.31 | |Jelly| | AMG |
| 00:02.55 | |Jelly| | Work was somewhere in between balls and taint today. |
| 00:03.08 | alestane | Interesting description. |
| 00:03.26 | Saint-N | and incredibly precise |
| 00:03.29 | |Jelly| | Yeah well, I'm not nearly as eloquent as Peppy. |
| 00:07.02 | Saint-N | i say that mostly since i was reswonably sure that the taint is the section between the balls and bunghole.. so between the taint and balls is uber precise ;P |
| 00:07.20 | Saint-N | but now im not as sure anymore because of that statement ;) |
| 00:09.57 | |Jelly| | l0ol |
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| 00:13.11 | Dreagar | gah, everything has already been done. and done well. :( |
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| 00:21.25 | Shirik | hiiiiii |
| 00:21.45 | Shirik | so the scenery out here is really cool |
| 00:21.57 | Shirik | not used to being in an area where you can see mountains as a backdrop >< |
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| 00:31.50 | alestane | Where were you again Shirik? |
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| 00:32.02 | Shirik | Arizona |
| 00:32.03 | Shirik | Tuscon |
| 00:32.05 | Shirik | -kubrick.freenode.net- idoru set your hostname to "conspiracy/developer/Shirik" |
| 00:32.09 | Shirik | Who is idoru? |
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| 00:33.09 | Thunder_Child | so for all your bitching Shirik, you seem to be enjoying yourself |
| 00:33.43 | Shirik | well if I could just spend the whole time taking pictures I would be |
| 00:33.47 | Shirik | but that won't be the case :P |
| 00:34.15 | Shirik | I have also learned that my dad can't take pictures worth a damn :P |
| 00:34.17 | alestane | Yeah, the vista coming into Vegas amazed me. I'm used to very up-and-down land. |
| 00:34.23 | Thunder_Child | well you seem to be bashing on a keyboard atm instaid of taking pictures |
| 00:34.33 | Shirik | it's too cold outside now >< |
| 00:34.38 | Thunder_Child | wuss |
| 00:34.41 | Shirik | I've been out for a few hours, good enough |
| 00:35.20 | Thunder_Child | ya...i'm gonna stick to my origional wuss' |
| 00:35.31 | Thunder_Child | s/wuss'/'wuss'/ |
| 00:36.33 | Shirik | =( |
| 00:36.53 | Shirik | I (hopefully) got some awesome pictures of these deer too |
| 00:37.05 | Shirik | I didn't even know there were deer in the desert... |
| 00:37.09 | Thunder_Child | hey, unless your a studio photographer you really dont get to choose your weather |
| 00:37.19 | Shirik | I live in Florida ok? |
| 00:37.25 | Shirik | I'm not used to 40 degrees |
| 00:37.26 | Thunder_Child | i feel for you |
| 00:37.32 | Thunder_Child | but that doesnt change things |
| 00:37.46 | Shirik | I went out for a few hours, I'm impressed with myself :P |
| 00:42.09 | Shirik | yey it's going to be warmer tomorrow |
| 00:42.21 | Shirik | yey it's going to be warmer tomorrow :P |
| 00:43.52 | alestane | Any other mac heads out there? I could use some Automator advice. |
| 00:44.37 | Shirik | sudo rm -rf /* |
| 00:44.40 | Shirik | best advice for macs |
| 00:45.51 | alestane | Someone on the forum once said "Be helpful or begone!" |
| 00:46.02 | Shirik | this isn't forum |
| 00:46.05 | Shirik | this is IRC |
| 00:46.15 | Xuerian | Someone else once said, "You'll take what we give you, AND YOU'LL LIKE IT" |
| 00:46.17 | Shirik | the opposite is mostly true |
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| 00:49.03 | Thunder_Child | "If you dont have something unhelpfull to say, dont say anything at all" |
| 00:49.07 | Thunder_Child | i prefer that |
| 00:49.54 | Shirik | ~hug Thunder_Child |
| 00:49.54 | purl | ACTION hugs Thunder_Child |
| 00:51.23 | Thunder_Child | gah, i feel violated |
| 00:52.14 | Shirik | How do I make a factoid that takes a parameter and puts it in the message :/ |
| 00:52.39 | Shirik | ~literal hug |
| 00:53.01 | Thunder_Child | depends on the peramter |
| 00:53.16 | Shirik | Just a name |
| 00:53.31 | Thunder_Child | purl, blorb2 is <action> blorb $n" |
| 00:53.32 | purl | okay, Thunder_Child |
| 00:53.35 | Thunder_Child | purl, blorb2 is "<action> blorb $n" |
| 00:53.35 | purl | ...but blorb2 is already something else... |
| 00:53.38 | Shirik | <3 |
| 00:53.39 | Thunder_Child | no, purl, blorb2 is "<action> blorb $n" |
| 00:53.47 | Thunder_Child | purl, no blorb2 is "<action> blorb $n" |
| 00:53.47 | purl | Thunder_Child: okay |
| 00:53.52 | Thunder_Child | ~blorb2 Shirik |
| 00:53.56 | Thunder_Child | meh |
| 00:54.12 | Thunder_Child | purl, no blorb2 is <action> blorb $n |
| 00:54.12 | purl | Thunder_Child: okay |
| 00:54.14 | Thunder_Child | meh |
| 00:54.15 | Thunder_Child | ~blorb2 Shirik |
| 00:54.17 | Shirik | hmm |
| 00:54.19 | Shirik | <purl> what are you talking about? |
| 00:54.28 | Thunder_Child | *sigh* need to go work with purl for a sec |
| 00:55.22 | Shirik | figured it out |
| 00:55.27 | Shirik | ~glomp Thunder_Child |
| 00:55.28 | purl | ACTION becomes fully animated as her eyes squint in an upside-down-U formation, gets a running start and tackle-glomps Thunder_Child |
| 00:55.46 | Thunder_Child | ah, target |
| 00:55.51 | Thunder_Child | they have another though |
| 00:56.03 | Shirik | also you need to do "blorb2 $target is <action> ..." |
| 00:56.13 | Shirik | I mean $n |
| 00:56.15 | Shirik | I used $n |
| 00:56.30 | Shirik | <Shirik> glomp $n is <action> becomes fully animated as her eyes squint in an upside-down-U formation, gets a running start and tackle-glomps $n |
| 00:56.30 | Thunder_Child | not acording to the literal |
| 00:56.39 | Shirik | maybe it translated it :P |
| 00:56.41 | Thunder_Child | "(16:55:42) (purl) "glomp" is "<action> becomes fully animated as her eyes squint in an upside-down-U formation, gets a running start and tackle-glomps $target"" |
| 00:56.49 | Shirik | oh that was my old try |
| 00:56.52 | Shirik | purl, forget glomp |
| 00:56.52 | purl | i forgot glomp, Shirik |
| 00:56.57 | Shirik | ~literal glomp $n |
| 00:56.58 | purl | ACTION becomes fully animated as her eyes squint in an upside-down-U formation, gets a running start and tackle-glomps $n |
| 00:57.03 | Shirik | bleh |
| 00:57.15 | Shirik | well I did "purl, glomp $n is <action> ..." |
| 00:58.51 | Thunder_Child | ~rlart Shirik |
| 00:58.58 | Thunder_Child | ~rlart |
| 00:58.59 | purl | takes a rusty axe and swings it violently, taking Antiar1's head off |
| 00:59.05 | Shirik | ~fail Thunder_Child |
| 00:59.06 | purl | Thunder_Child: Fail. |
| 00:59.23 | Thunder_Child | i was looking at |
| 00:59.34 | Thunder_Child | factstats requested |
| 00:59.38 | Thunder_Child | ~factstats requested |
| 01:00.20 | Shirik | heh |
| 01:00.21 | Shirik | I like how "ping" is #2 |
| 01:00.25 | Thunder_Child | ~factstats vandalism |
| 01:00.32 | Thunder_Child | meh |
| 01:00.47 | Thunder_Child | ~factstats duplicate |
| 01:00.57 | Thunder_Child | purl, your not helping |
| 01:01.09 | Shirik | what is rlart? |
| 01:01.20 | Thunder_Child | i just rlart a bit ago |
| 01:01.26 | Fin | http://fin.instinct.org/bits/purl.txt |
| 01:01.36 | Fin | ~literal rlart |
| 01:01.36 | purl | "rlart" is "<reply> see lart $randnick" |
| 01:01.56 | Thunder_Child | ~factstats unrequest |
| 01:02.06 | Thunder_Child | some people quite fail |
| 01:02.14 | Fin | you know you can do this in /msgs :P |
| 01:02.20 | Thunder_Child | yup |
| 01:02.27 | Thunder_Child | but the channel wasnt being used |
| 01:02.33 | Thunder_Child | so go to hell |
| 01:02.43 | Fin | won't |
| 01:02.45 | Fin | shaln't |
| 01:02.57 | Thunder_Child | hand basket, no handbasket, your choice |
| 01:03.40 | Fin | is there lotion? |
| 01:04.03 | Thunder_Child | yes, aloe |
| 01:04.04 | Fin | does it put the lotion in the basket? |
| 01:04.11 | Shirik | shaln't? |
| 01:04.12 | Fin | or does it get the hose again? |
| 01:04.47 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, basterdised shall not |
| 01:04.57 | Thunder_Child | basterdized? |
| 01:04.59 | Thunder_Child | w/e |
| 01:05.11 | Fin | go on! go on, challenge my use of an authentic early-80s toddler words! I dare you |
| 01:05.29 | Thunder_Child | ~challenge Fin |
| 01:05.31 | Fin | bastardised, I believe would be the actual spelling |
| 01:05.43 | Thunder_Child | wtf purl? |
| 01:06.48 | Shirik | Well yes Thunder_Child , I figured that out |
| 01:06.59 | Shirik | My comment was that he actually used this term >< |
| 01:07.15 | Thunder_Child | it was a question not a comment |
| 01:08.13 | Shirik | Can you not make a comment with a question? |
| 01:08.38 | Thunder_Child | not literaly, it would be by inference |
| 01:09.25 | Shirik | Okay, so I posed a question in efforts to imply a comment |
| 01:09.55 | Fin | I scorn your pedantry and hold forth the righteous flame of linguistic apathy! |
| 01:10.07 | Thunder_Child | ~mute Fin |
| 01:10.08 | purl | ACTION seals Fin's mouth and says, 'What good is IRC if you are unable to speak?' |
| 01:10.19 | Fin | that would make me... NEO! |
| 01:10.24 | Fin | nyaHA! |
| 01:10.35 | Thunder_Child | except mute people can use irc..... |
| 01:10.45 | Thunder_Child | purl is retarded |
| 01:10.48 | Fin | not if you have mute fingers! |
| 01:10.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | not if they're using dragonnaturallyspeaking |
| 01:10.54 | Fin | nyaHA! |
| 01:10.58 | Thunder_Child | ~factinfo mute |
| 01:10.58 | purl | Thunder_Child: there's no such factoid as mute |
| 01:11.10 | Fin | ~literal mute |
| 01:11.18 | Fin | haha |
| 01:11.22 | Shirik | it's not "mute" |
| 01:11.22 | Fin | that's the correct response |
| 01:11.23 | Shirik | it's "mute <some var>" |
| 01:11.46 | Shirik | ~factinfo mute $nick |
| 01:11.46 | purl | there's no such factoid as mute $nick, Shirik |
| 01:11.58 | Thunder_Child | ~factinfo mute $n |
| 01:11.58 | purl | Thunder_Child: there's no such factoid as mute $n |
| 01:12.02 | Thunder_Child | ~factinfo mute $target |
| 01:12.02 | purl | there's no such factoid as mute $target, Thunder_Child |
| 01:12.06 | Fin | ~ping fin |
| 01:12.07 | purl | pong fin |
| 01:12.08 | Thunder_Child | ~factinfo mute * |
| 01:12.08 | purl | Thunder_Child: there's no such factoid as mute * |
| 01:12.16 | Thunder_Child | ~factinfo mute* |
| 01:12.16 | purl | there's no such factoid as mute*, Thunder_Child |
| 01:12.18 | Thunder_Child | bah |
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| 01:12.31 | Fin | you have yet to succeed |
| 01:12.52 | Thunder_Child | i know, malreth would be handy right about now |
| 01:13.06 | Shirik | damn, the news is fast |
| 01:13.19 | Shirik | The former PM was just assassinated and they're already getting all these advertisements about "Tonight at 11... " |
| 01:13.22 | Shirik | <insert random conspiracy comment here> |
| 01:17.02 | Shirik | ~ping |
| 01:17.02 | purl | pong |
| 01:17.41 | Shirik | apparently I'm only allowed access to freenode now |
| 01:17.46 | Shirik | no google, no wow forums, just freenode |
| 01:18.04 | Xuerian | 0_o |
| 01:18.16 | Xuerian | Shirik, what former pm where? 0_o |
| 01:18.34 | Thunder_Child | Xuerian, http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapcf/12/27/bhutto.obit/index.html |
| 01:18.46 | Industrial | anyone worked with fraps? its not recognizing my correct sound card and all it has is a "smart detect" feature |
| 01:18.51 | Industrial | I cant get sound :( |
| 01:18.58 | Fin | cladhaire always recommends Takshi |
| 01:19.09 | Fin | if you're at the point you're willing to try alternatives |
| 01:19.13 | Industrial | yeah couldnt get that to work |
| 01:19.18 | Industrial | :x |
| 01:19.32 | Industrial | wouldnt start playing/recognize keys.. |
| 01:20.02 | Shirik | Industrial: What OS? |
| 01:20.12 | Xuerian | That kinda sucks |
| 01:20.14 | Industrial | xp |
| 01:20.21 | Shirik | it doesn't recognize your sound card? |
| 01:20.33 | Industrial | it picks my onboard which ive disabled |
| 01:20.40 | Shirik | That's odd |
| 01:20.44 | Industrial | I also have an sb audigy in it |
| 01:20.45 | Shirik | I disabled my onboard too |
| 01:20.46 | Industrial | yeah |
| 01:20.50 | Shirik | and I have a SB Live and it works fine |
| 01:20.54 | Industrial | :| |
| 01:20.55 | Shirik | sorry, not SB LIve anymore lol |
| 01:21.06 | Shirik | What's that new one |
| 01:21.09 | Shirik | XFi |
| 01:21.13 | Shirik | not really new anymore but it was |
| 01:21.38 | Thunder_Child | i have xfi and it says sound device as "vista" yet records it properly |
| 01:21.47 | Shirik | Well they do something different for vista yeah |
| 01:22.15 | Shirik | for Vista they just use the default record device |
| 01:22.51 | Shirik | ok |
| 01:22.53 | Shirik | I'm watching CNN right now |
| 01:22.57 | Shirik | on the left it says "LIVE" |
| 01:23.02 | Shirik | on the right it says "September 26" |
| 01:23.15 | nevcairiel | your tv is slow, obviously |
| 01:23.28 | Shirik | well they're also talking to a dead person |
| 01:23.33 | Shirik | so I'm a bit confused |
| 01:23.53 | Shirik | ah they got rid of the "LIVE" now :P |
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| 01:27.47 | Shirik | damn Guillotine making a lot of requests today :P |
| 01:28.02 | Guillotine | indeed |
| 01:29.07 | Shirik | Cairenn: you around? |
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| 01:32.51 | Saint-N | boobies! |
| 01:32.54 | Saint-N | yay \o/ |
| 01:33.06 | malreth | ~lart Saint-N |
| 01:33.06 | purl | slaps Saint-N upside the head with a wet fish |
| 01:33.23 | Fin | hi art |
| 01:33.30 | malreth | Just had coffee and dinner with Lunessa and his brother |
| 01:33.38 | Fin | I'm sorry |
| 01:33.43 | Shirik | =( I wasn't invited |
| 01:33.57 | Shirik | where is Lunessa anyway |
| 01:33.59 | malreth | Shirik: you also weren't talked about |
| 01:34.01 | malreth | :p |
| 01:34.13 | Saint-N | http://www.kinoskop.pl/images/c/9015.jpeg |
| 01:34.16 | Saint-N | hiya fin |
| 01:34.16 | Shirik | of course not |
| 01:34.22 | Shirik | I don't want to ruin your dinner |
| 01:34.29 | malreth | Shirik: he's driving back to houston now, i believe |
| 01:35.14 | Shirik | some day we'll have a #wowi-lounge party, and Cairenn will be there so we can all take pictures |
| 01:36.21 | malreth | Cairenn is a hot momma |
| 01:37.28 | malreth | lawl at the private server thread on the forums |
| 01:37.34 | Dreagar | i wanna write somethin i can put up on wowi . :( any one have an idea of somethin that's not done? |
| 01:37.48 | Saint-N | appearantly she's some russian/polish kylie minoque |
| 01:37.53 | Saint-N | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thf0YvdLDjc&feature=related |
| 01:38.02 | Shirik | Dreagar: Want to finish my FlightHUD? |
| 01:38.07 | Shirik | requires calculus knowledge :P |
| 01:38.12 | Saint-N | dreagar: go make a ace2 multi addon profile changer ;P |
| 01:38.28 | Dreagar | sure, but i only got a C in calc 2 |
| 01:38.46 | Shirik | you'll need multivariable calculus.... |
| 01:38.57 | Dreagar | i dunno that i wanna do anythin ace related just yet. |
| 01:38.59 | malreth | what does the flight hud do? |
| 01:38.59 | Shirik | partial derivatives, etc. |
| 01:39.06 | Dreagar | i think i can understand that |
| 01:39.07 | Shirik | malreth: It's been about a year now |
| 01:39.12 | Shirik | the thread is somewhere |
| 01:39.23 | malreth | the artificial horizon thing? |
| 01:39.28 | Antiar1 | Multivariable calc can bite my ass. |
| 01:39.29 | Antiar1 | that's all. |
| 01:39.49 | Dreagar | sounds like it'd be a challenge. |
| 01:39.52 | malreth | shows your absolute pitch beyond level? |
| 01:39.58 | malreth | i think i remember that thread |
| 01:40.07 | malreth | or i'm thinking of a different one |
| 01:41.26 | Shirik | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=77785285&sid=1&pageNo=3 |
| 01:41.28 | Shirik | post 48 |
| 01:41.31 | Shirik | Yes exactly |
| 01:41.38 | Shirik | I have the math actually mostly done, I just need a GUI for it |
| 01:41.46 | Dreagar | i'm good with gui's. :D |
| 01:41.56 | Shirik | I wanted like flight controls, you can see an artificial horizon, VSI, etc. |
| 01:42.04 | Shirik | they pop up when you're flying and go away when you're not |
| 01:42.13 | Dreagar | but i gotta go read my kid a book. :( |
| 01:42.39 | Dreagar | hell i used to repair avionics on airplanes for a livin. i could prolly come up with somethin |
| 01:43.06 | Dreagar | ill be back a lil later. :D |
| 01:44.28 | Shirik | I'm going to shoot this hotel's IT, seriously |
| 01:44.38 | buu | 'w 22 |
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| 01:46.21 | Shirik|Ghost | Dreagar: really? |
| 01:46.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | SUP DAWG WE HEARD YOU LIKE AIRPLANES SO WE PUT AN AIRPLANE IN YOUR CAR SO YOU CAN FLY IT WHILE YOU DRIVE |
| 01:46.41 | Shirik|Ghost | Mr_Rabies: o.o |
| 01:47.09 | Shirik|Ghost | anyway, Dreagar I'm looking to become a computer engineer for avionics myself. Where did you work? |
| 01:48.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | my brother worked on plane engines when he was in the navy |
| 01:48.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | :O |
| 01:48.22 | Dreagar | US Navy |
| 01:48.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | F/A-18s mostly |
| 01:48.39 | Shirik|Ghost | know of Embry-Riddle by any chance? |
| 01:48.40 | Dreagar | i did S-3B's |
| 01:48.51 | Dreagar | yeah, i've heard of it. |
| 01:48.55 | Shirik|Ghost | That's where I go |
| 01:49.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | he was stationed in lemore AFB in Cali if i recall |
| 01:49.21 | Dreagar | i was gonna go there, but got into computers after Navy in 98, and ended up workin for Microsoft instead |
| 01:49.29 | Shirik|Ghost | oh I'm sorry |
| 01:49.33 | Shirik|Ghost | I hate you now |
| 01:49.34 | Dreagar | lol. |
| 01:49.50 | Dreagar | i did tech support. sucked till i got to support games. lol |
| 01:49.50 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+v Shirik] by ChanServ |
| 01:50.21 | Shirik | oh |
| 01:50.24 | Shirik | did you live in india? |
| 01:50.46 | Dreagar | nah, this was actually just before the support got outsourced. matter of fact, i got laid off when it happened |
| 01:50.50 | alestane | I'm noticing that any add-on I make that allows you shortcuts to control your spell targets instantly attracts a bunch of downloads. |
| 01:51.46 | buu | alestane: Like what kind of control? |
| 01:51.56 | Shirik | I bet if you put in the description |
| 01:52.11 | Shirik | "Allows you to perform all your actions with a single button" you will instantly get a thousand downloads at least |
| 01:52.35 | alestane | Well, the most recent one gave you a key that, when pressed, toggles whether your spells will affect your focus or your default target. |
| 01:52.57 | Dreagar | woah, sweet lemme go dl that |
| 01:52.59 | Dreagar | :D |
| 01:53.08 | buu | alestane: Like.. alt? |
| 01:53.15 | buu | Oh, focus, nifty. |
| 01:53.21 | buu | Actually, that is kind of cool. |
| 01:53.30 | buu | Hey, can you use arbitrary keys as modifiers? |
| 01:53.33 | alestane | Bind whatever you like to it, say "~". Hit "~" and all your spells will automatically be cast on your focus until you hit "~" again. |
| 01:54.13 | alestane | buu: There is one I made that lets says any spell you shift-click should target your focus. |
| 01:54.19 | Dreagar | sounds like the macro i have to seduce focus, cept a lil different. lol |
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| 01:54.45 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+v Shirik] by ChanServ |
| 01:54.51 | alestane | It's similar to such macros, except that it works with any spell or item because it actually changes the targeting behavior of the button itself. |
| 01:55.04 | Dreagar | that is pretty nifty |
| 01:56.34 | buu | alestane: No, I mean, instead of 'shift-s', can you use 'x-s' ? |
| 01:57.25 | alestane | buu: While WoW itself doesn't support a behavior like that, you can use "chording" addons to come close to it. |
| 01:57.56 | alestane | They have to be in sequence though, like 'x' then 's'. |
| 01:58.29 | Shirik | ok, in this hotel we have a mini-refridgerator. On it is written this: "To ensure correct operaton of this unit, please do not |
| 01:58.39 | Shirik | (1) Store warm food items in this unit |
| 01:59.05 | Shirik | And I sit there trying to figure out whether this means "store items that are supposed to be warm in here" or "store items that are supposed to be cool but are currently warm" |
| 01:59.12 | malreth | lua> print("AutoLoot "..z and"OFF"or"ON") |
| 01:59.20 | Shirik | uhh |
| 01:59.23 | Shirik | that won't do what you want |
| 01:59.36 | Shirik | put (z and "OFF" or "ON") in parens |
| 01:59.43 | malreth | thought so... |
| 01:59.48 | malreth | but that's why i tested |
| 02:00.02 | malreth | lua> print("AutoLoot "..(z and"OFF"or"ON")) |
| 02:00.04 | buu | alestane: Chording addons? |
| 02:00.11 | alestane | The first one would just print "OFF" right? |
| 02:00.17 | Shirik | yeah |
| 02:00.18 | buu | alestane: You mean like, x changes the behaviour of all of the keys? |
| 02:00.25 | Shirik | it would always print "OFF" assuming z can be concatenated |
| 02:00.30 | Shirik | if it can't, then it would always error, obviously |
| 02:00.41 | malreth | lua> z=true;print("AutoLoot "..(z and"OFF"or"ON")) |
| 02:00.55 | malreth | course... there's no luabot... |
| 02:00.55 | Shirik | cladbot isn't here hun |
| 02:00.57 | Shirik | use --> |
| 02:01.03 | Shirik | or >>> |
| 02:01.08 | malreth | --> z=true;print("AutoLoot "..(z and"OFF"or"ON")) |
| 02:01.08 | batbot | malreth: AutoLoot OFF |
| 02:01.18 | malreth | --> print("AutoLoot "..(z and"OFF"or"ON")) |
| 02:01.19 | batbot | malreth: AutoLoot OFF |
| 02:01.29 | malreth | --> z=false;print("AutoLoot "..(z and"OFF"or"ON")) |
| 02:01.29 | batbot | malreth: AutoLoot ON |
| 02:01.42 | malreth | --> z=false;print("AutoLoot "..z and"OFF"or"ON") |
| 02:01.42 | batbot | malreth: > [string "0"]:1: attempt to concatenate global 'z' (a boolean value) |
| 02:01.48 | malreth | ok... good |
| 02:01.50 | alestane | buu: A really simple example would be my add-on Demonomicon...when you open the summon menu, the keys 'i', 'v', 's', 'f' and 'g' temporarily change to cast a warlock's Summon spells. Once you hit one, or if you go a couple seconds without hitting one, they go back to whatever they were before. |
| 02:02.07 | buu | In..teresting.. |
| 02:02.19 | buu | But can you do it as long as the key is held down? |
| 02:02.46 | alestane | With some careful action bar coding, and use of 'up-down' state anchors, yes. |
| 02:04.29 | alestane | A style like that usually works better for people who click action buttons. |
| 02:04.56 | Shirik | ~nickometer snelfo` |
| 02:05.05 | |Jelly| | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:05.07 | Shirik | ~nickometer smlefo` |
| 02:05.07 | |Jelly| | stupid raids |
| 02:05.12 | Shirik | ~hug |Jelly| |
| 02:05.12 | purl | ACTION gets a running start and tackle-hugs |Jelly| |
| 02:05.16 | Shirik | you should come to my raid team |
| 02:05.22 | Shirik | I'll let you raid as disc |
| 02:05.33 | Cide | ~nickometer SHIRIKISLAME |
| 02:05.38 | Cide | thought so. |
| 02:05.56 | Shirik | you've got to be better than the pally that manages to do more damage to the raid than he heals while concurrently being outhealed by a shadow priest |
| 02:06.07 | Shirik | though he won't be running with us anymore finally :D |
| 02:06.49 | |Jelly| | ...how...? |
| 02:08.46 | FoxMcLeod | i HATE holy-pallies |
| 02:10.15 | Shirik | |Jelly|: because he's an idiot? |
| 02:10.21 | Shirik | Look, let me put it this way |
| 02:10.32 | FoxMcLeod | 'Oh, I'm so a healing class' 'Oh I'm so mana-efficient' "So why are you oom after every single trash-mob, maybe you should stop the fuck spamming flashheal or whatever it is called !!!" |
| 02:10.33 | Shirik | We were doing gruul and our MT DCed right at the start |
| 02:10.59 | Shirik | so I call out to the healers to adapt, "Preacher is now MT, Grymm OT" and start watching |
| 02:11.11 | Shirik | wait Grymm was the guy who DCed but whatever |
| 02:11.13 | Shirik | it's not important |
| 02:11.27 | Shirik | what matters is I start watching these people and this pally sits there healing the guy that DCed |
| 02:11.29 | Shirik | and again |
| 02:11.39 | FoxMcLeod | grid+clique that takes about 0.5 sec to adopt |
| 02:11.39 | Shirik | So I put out in healer chat for him to fix it, he ignores me |
| 02:11.52 | Shirik | and keeps healing the person whom isn't getting hit by anything |
| 02:12.05 | Shirik | And I just sit there staring at him like "how can he not know his healing target isn't even playing" |
| 02:13.07 | FoxMcLeod | just like the pallies in my guild: they start spamming flashheal on MT when the fight starts and stop when the fight ends or they're oom, no matter what... |
| 02:13.36 | Shirik | I know some absolutely phenomenal holy paladins |
| 02:13.47 | alestane | Here's a whimsical thought..."Main Tanks" as defined in CTRA/oRA2 don't correspond to to MTs in the Blizzard raid roles, they're actually main assists. The toons defined in the Bliz roles as "main tanks" correspond to "player targets" in CTRA. |
| 02:14.06 | Shirik | Unfortunately, in general, holy pallies tend to be the lazies people, the ones that don't pay attention to what's going on |
| 02:14.13 | Shirik | s/zies/ziest/ |
| 02:15.16 | FoxMcLeod | at first I was like, err, excuse me, but he just evaded a couple of strikes, no need for healing. But they just kept on and after a couple of raids I just shut up |
| 02:15.46 | FoxMcLeod | from my point of view it's all about mana-efficiency |
| 02:15.47 | Shirik | well in general I don't agree with holy pallies reactively healing |
| 02:15.56 | Shirik | however they should be doing some paying attention |
| 02:16.05 | Shirik | for example, Gruul's swing timer is 2 seconds iirc |
| 02:16.10 | Shirik | flash of light is 1.5 seconds? |
| 02:16.15 | Shirik | or maybe it's 1.5 and1 |
| 02:16.17 | Shirik | something like that |
| 02:16.24 | Shirik | Point is you shouldn't be spamming flash of light |
| 02:16.28 | FoxMcLeod | yeah |
| 02:16.29 | Shirik | You should be giving up that extra .5 seconds |
| 02:16.34 | Shirik | time it correctly |
| 02:16.48 | Shirik | That will not be reactive healing, but it will be fixing an inefficiency |
| 02:16.49 | FoxMcLeod | well, there is a time for preventive healing, but not with a 20k life tank at gruul... |
| 02:17.11 | Shirik | heh |
| 02:17.44 | Shirik | i just let them go and then I don't entirely follow my own assignments; I react for the pallies instead of them |
| 02:17.55 | Shirik | for example I might assign an extra to the MT and then I won't heal the MT for the first few growths |
| 02:18.10 | Shirik | and then I'll go to the MT when I feel he needs it |
| 02:18.39 | FoxMcLeod | heh, yeah we adapted too |
| 02:18.54 | Cide | I know |
| 02:19.00 | Cide | it's awesome being the healing assigner |
| 02:19.06 | FoxMcLeod | pallies are main-tank healers and we priests are raishealers and switch to MT when the pallies go oom |
| 02:19.28 | Shirik | if pallies go oom before I switch to the MT they're kicked out before the next attempt |
| 02:19.30 | Cide | although I have a trust issue when it comes to other healers |
| 02:19.43 | Shirik | I trust my healers luckily :) |
| 02:19.47 | Cide | so I always assign myself the most difficult thing :/ |
| 02:19.55 | Shirik | most of them are competent, though they all have stuff to work on |
| 02:20.05 | Cide | well, we have some competent ones, but still |
| 02:20.09 | Shirik | oh Cide nothing wrong with that, I tend to do that too, but I happen to be one of the better geared ones currently >< |
| 02:20.19 | Shirik | if not the best |
| 02:20.32 | FoxMcLeod | well, I still need some +heal, but I'm way ahead of my collegues in mp5 |
| 02:20.36 | Cide | I'm not the better geared one by far though |
| 02:20.39 | Shirik | what's your +heal? |
| 02:20.54 | Shirik | and mp5 for that matter |
| 02:20.56 | FoxMcLeod | hmm i think its about 1800 |
| 02:20.59 | Shirik | uh |
| 02:21.00 | FoxMcLeod | let me see |
| 02:21.03 | Shirik | what class are you? |
| 02:21.17 | Shirik | priest? 1800 is fine |
| 02:21.25 | Cide | since swedentime isn't really compatible with north american raiding times |
| 02:21.26 | FoxMcLeod | yeah# |
| 02:21.48 | Shirik | Actually I tend to tell people to pull that down in favor of mp5 because usually you've sacrificed a bit much for that |
| 02:21.50 | Shirik | what's your mp5 at? |
| 02:22.03 | Shirik | !c us drenden kimina |
| 02:22.04 | ThraeBot | Shirik: Kimina, Level 70 Blood Elf Priest (20/41/0). 9911 HP; 9270 Mana; 259 mana regen; 96 mp5; 21 spell crit; 501 +spell dmg; 1223 +heal; 5.06% dodge; 164 resilience; 24 arcane resist;[[ TBR: 885 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2fx6zd ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2pkb3p ][ Updated: Thu Dec 27 11:30:00 2007 EST ]] |
| 02:22.09 | Shirik | wtf gear is that? |
| 02:22.11 | Shirik | that's my pvp gear oops |
| 02:22.17 | Cide | pvp gear judging from resilience :P |
| 02:22.25 | Cide | meh, mp5 isn't that needed though |
| 02:22.38 | Shirik | nah, it isn't you're right |
| 02:22.51 | Shirik | priests have it easiest when it comes to weaving in and out of the 5sr |
| 02:22.56 | Cide | on fights where you have spiky periods, +heal is a lot better |
| 02:23.03 | Shirik | which is why I think spirit is a key stat for priests even though most avoid it lately |
| 02:23.06 | Cide | which tends to be most fights |
| 02:23.09 | FoxMcLeod | !c eu Kult der Verdammten Karatina |
| 02:23.11 | ThraeBot | FoxMcLeod: Karatina, Level 70 Blood Elf Priest (20/41/0). 5931 HP; 9165 Mana; 358 mana regen; 182 mp5; 10 spell crit; 643 +spell dmg; 1669 +heal; 5.06% dodge;[[ TBR: 962 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2hufm7 ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/3d75r6 ][ Updated: Thu Dec 27 21:27:19 2007 EST ]] |
| 02:23.25 | Shirik | oof |
| 02:23.31 | FoxMcLeod | oh it's only 1669 :/ |
| 02:23.34 | Shirik | I like your mp5 though |
| 02:23.38 | Shirik | but um |
| 02:23.44 | Shirik | I'd recommend getting your HP up a bit |
| 02:23.52 | Shirik | I'm unbuffed about 7k and it helps |
| 02:23.56 | Cide | I could probably heal on lurker for all eternity, for example.. I pop Earring of Soulful Meditation when the adds die, and then I'm back at full mana every time |
| 02:23.57 | FoxMcLeod | if I get hit the MT failed ;) |
| 02:24.11 | Cide | FoxMcLeod: wrong |
| 02:24.13 | Shirik | That's a common excuse but really not a good one tbh, there are a lot of fights where your HP matters |
| 02:24.22 | Cide | you can't up your HP enough to survive a hit from any raid boss |
| 02:24.35 | FoxMcLeod | yeah I know I got a different set for that one, some arena stuff |
| 02:24.36 | Shirik | consider netherspite, gruul cave ins, magtheridon |
| 02:24.54 | Shirik | magtheridon is a big one |
| 02:24.54 | Cide | but not having to panic-heal yourself every time you get hit by an aoe ability (or random targeted) is worth a lot |
| 02:25.00 | FoxMcLeod | I can reach about 7500 hp at the moment |
| 02:25.00 | Shirik | aye |
| 02:25.03 | Cide | I never seem to get hit on mag :/ |
| 02:25.09 | Cide | or seemed... not really doing him |
| 02:25.10 | Shirik | especially gruul after shatter |
| 02:25.21 | Shirik | One thing I'm constantly telling my healers is that it's critical the tank gets the first heal, not yourself |
| 02:25.27 | Shirik | but that isn't going to work if you have low hp |
| 02:25.46 | Cide | the best part about high HP on gruul is the cave ins |
| 02:25.57 | Cide | but I almost always escape them without getting hit, so /shrug |
| 02:26.16 | Shirik | I bubble myself and usually I take around 200 damage or so :P |
| 02:26.25 | Cide | so you get hit :P noob! |
| 02:26.27 | Shirik | if I take more, I pop down a lightwell which for some reason I still have because of Cide |
| 02:26.31 | Shirik | meh |
| 02:26.33 | Cide | you don't like it? |
| 02:26.36 | Cide | it's amazing |
| 02:26.38 | Shirik | It has its uses |
| 02:26.45 | Shirik | shatter is the big one |
| 02:26.55 | Cide | hell yeah it does, it ticks for a ton |
| 02:26.57 | Shirik | other than that I haven't really found "great" uses for it |
| 02:27.01 | FoxMcLeod | I don't know the english name but theres something like binding heal? |
| 02:27.04 | Cide | you're not trying then |
| 02:27.05 | Shirik | because people don't click on it |
| 02:27.07 | Shirik | yes binding heal |
| 02:27.09 | Cide | educate them |
| 02:27.11 | Shirik | Cide: It's probably true |
| 02:27.25 | Shirik | I haven't really gone out of my way to find great uses |
| 02:27.40 | Cide | that's its major downfall right now, really |
| 02:27.43 | Shirik | but see binding heal is a bit weak for a tank |
| 02:27.46 | FoxMcLeod | no lolwell for me, but CoH is worth a lot |
| 02:27.56 | Shirik | Oh I absolutely LOVE coh |
| 02:28.03 | Shirik | that I don't regret picking up |
| 02:28.07 | FoxMcLeod | it manages to get across gaps |
| 02:28.09 | Shirik | lol at mag trash |
| 02:28.19 | Cide | 1) there's never an "awesome" time to use lightwell, it's mostly just decently useful a lot of the time - never GREAT, but always decent |
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| 02:28.35 | Cide | 2) it's too easy for people to mess up and use up a charge (or 3) stupidly |
| 02:28.47 | Shirik | but anyway yeah FoxMcLeod the big problem is that binding heal is expensive and weak |
| 02:28.53 | Shirik | yes it hits you and your MT, but not for a lot |
| 02:28.53 | Cide | what? |
| 02:28.56 | Cide | binding heal is cheap |
| 02:29.00 | Shirik | 1k mana? |
| 02:29.02 | Shirik | is cheap? |
| 02:29.06 | Cide | should be cheaper |
| 02:29.09 | FoxMcLeod | it's about as powerfull as flashheal, just like 500 hp behind |
| 02:29.17 | Shirik | yes but flash heal is also pretty weak imo :P |
| 02:29.19 | Cide | 705 mana untalented |
| 02:29.34 | Shirik | ok maybe I'm a bit off. But anyway, FoxMcLeod it's far more efficient to use a gheal on the tank |
| 02:29.35 | Cide | not sure if there is a talent for it :P |
| 02:29.47 | Cide | anyway, it's cheaper than two flash heals |
| 02:29.48 | FoxMcLeod | well there are times hps counts not hpm |
| 02:29.56 | Shirik | maybe top yourself off with a renew immediately after that |
| 02:30.04 | Shirik | exploting the 5SR |
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| 02:30.07 | Cide | I'm a huge fan of binding heal |
| 02:30.18 | Shirik | Oh don't get me wrong I absolutely love binding heal |
| 02:30.21 | Shirik | I use it too much I think |
| 02:30.28 | Shirik | but I don't think the right time for it is after a shatter |
| 02:30.30 | Cide | granted, it's better in pvp than pve |
| 02:30.35 | FoxMcLeod | binding heal is really nice if you get yourself hit, lik in arena or in AoE fightzs |
| 02:30.36 | Shirik | unless the tank is in a good situation |
| 02:30.46 | Cide | I find the tank is always in a good situation after it |
| 02:30.53 | Cide | tanks usually don't get hit for much by shatter |
| 02:31.05 | Shirik | unfortunately ours do |
| 02:31.10 | Cide | position better :P |
| 02:31.13 | Shirik | mostly because of our stupid plan but that's another story |
| 02:31.21 | Cide | (i.e. tell your melee to suicide on top of each other if need be) |
| 02:31.28 | Shirik | that's kinda what they do already |
| 02:31.38 | Cide | then move the suicide spot away from the mt ;) |
| 02:31.53 | Shirik | our plan is kinda like |
| 02:32.19 | Shirik | everyone flies, tanks go back to the center, melee does the same for whatever reason god knows, then goes "oh shit" and pops CoS and runs around for a bit, typically directly into a healer |
| 02:32.26 | FoxMcLeod | put most of your melees in one group and start spamming CoH, that'll eat up your mana alright :) |
| 02:32.37 | Shirik | CoH is cheap :P |
| 02:32.43 | Shirik | 200 mana? |
| 02:32.46 | Cide | something like that |
| 02:32.52 | FoxMcLeod | but it's also fast, instant |
| 02:32.55 | Shirik | exactly |
| 02:33.03 | Shirik | and it's about 1k per hit |
| 02:33.04 | Cide | actually, more |
| 02:33.10 | Cide | 450 mana, -10% |
| 02:33.14 | Cide | 405 |
| 02:33.15 | Shirik | I have 2 talents hitting it Cide |
| 02:33.22 | FoxMcLeod | I think I can spam away my manapool in like 20 seconds with it |
| 02:33.24 | Shirik | wait no I don't |
| 02:33.29 | Shirik | why do I think it's 200 something |
| 02:33.32 | Shirik | maybe that's the rank 1 cost |
| 02:33.38 | Cide | mental agility? |
| 02:33.39 | Shirik | still it's cheap |
| 02:33.40 | Cide | and..? |
| 02:33.47 | Shirik | oh I know why |
| 02:33.49 | Shirik | I was thinking PoH |
| 02:33.52 | Shirik | PoM |
| 02:33.54 | Shirik | sorry |
| 02:34.00 | Shirik | grr I'm not with it today |
| 02:34.04 | Cide | ya, CoH is 405 mana |
| 02:34.04 | Shirik | I blame the arizona weather |
| 02:34.05 | FoxMcLeod | PoM is nice too |
| 02:34.08 | buu | PoM needs to be smarter. |
| 02:34.09 | Cide | but still |
| 02:34.11 | Cide | it's awesome |
| 02:34.15 | mikma | http://wow.reaktio.net/line6.jpg |
| 02:34.16 | Cide | and does ~1k per person? |
| 02:34.20 | Shirik | PoM is pretty smart |
| 02:34.21 | Cide | bit less prolly |
| 02:34.28 | buu | Shirik: It is? I thought it was random. |
| 02:34.29 | FoxMcLeod | especially if some melees can't keep their aggro donw |
| 02:34.30 | Shirik | lately it's been going to people that actually need it |
| 02:34.39 | Shirik | and if nobody needs it, it goes back to the priest |
| 02:34.49 | Shirik | (Assuming they're in range) |
| 02:34.52 | buu | Shirik: I get it all the fucking time and can never get rid of it =[ |
| 02:34.57 | Cide | back up |
| 02:34.59 | Shirik | then everyone in range is at full hp :P |
| 02:34.59 | Cide | don't hug the raid boss |
| 02:35.06 | Shirik | HUG THE ROCK PERSON |
| 02:35.10 | buu | Shirik: Huh. |
| 02:35.10 | Shirik | sorry, MC flashback |
| 02:35.12 | FoxMcLeod | hmm I got the expression it goes to the closest friendly |
| 02:35.17 | buu | Cide: I want to be friends thought. |
| 02:35.23 | Shirik | negative I have done a lot of research on this one :) |
| 02:35.34 | Cide | CoH, however |
| 02:35.48 | Cide | should do target + 4 closest people in the raid that are hurt |
| 02:35.49 | Cide | imo. |
| 02:35.52 | Shirik | CoH imho needs a slightly wider range, I think 20 yds |
| 02:36.02 | FoxMcLeod | is a nice one, especially if you have to huddle up like at nightbane |
| 02:36.06 | Cide | if it got changed to my suggestion, more range would be overpowered |
| 02:36.13 | Cide | but my idea is probably way overpowered as it is |
| 02:36.19 | Shirik | I think it is :) |
| 02:36.20 | buu | Is there a way to hold down a random button to change which spells cast? |
| 02:36.22 | Cide | it is |
| 02:36.32 | Cide | but it should be done anyway, and then nerf some other aspect of it |
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| 02:36.45 | Shirik | they've done so many changes to CoH I don't expect many anytime soon |
| 02:37.01 | Cide | yeah, true |
| 02:37.05 | Cide | I just hate that as a raid leader |
| 02:37.13 | Cide | in order to efficiently use it, I have to design groups around it |
| 02:37.19 | Shirik | heh |
| 02:37.20 | Cide | around CoH and 500 other things |
| 02:37.31 | Shirik | I don't really design the groups but it generally works out in my favor |
| 02:37.38 | Cide | be glad |
| 02:37.42 | Cide | it's a nightmare |
| 02:37.48 | Shirik | I do my kara groups |
| 02:37.51 | Shirik | pretty easy |
| 02:37.53 | Cide | that's 2 groups :P |
| 02:37.53 | Lukian | What is CoH? |
| 02:37.55 | Shirik | 10 people to figure out :P |
| 02:37.57 | Cide | Circle of Healing |
| 02:38.04 | Cide | the problem comes on Karathress |
| 02:38.30 | End | we tried using CoH on hexlord at first, but I think our priest ended up not needing it or something :o |
| 02:38.33 | Cide | totems for both main tanks, along with totem for interruptors and healers for the bolt people, auras for those, totems for melee |
| 02:38.41 | FoxMcLeod | well the offtank and the rogues are usually in a group with the feral druid so it a good target for that CoH |
| 02:38.42 | Cide | along with good groups for bloodlust |
| 02:39.10 | FoxMcLeod | yeah |
| 02:39.11 | Shirik | #1 thing I love CoH for though is pvp |
| 02:39.16 | Shirik | instant cast 1k heal |
| 02:39.22 | Shirik | rogues get pissed because they can't kick |
| 02:39.24 | Cide | arenas? |
| 02:39.26 | Shirik | yes |
| 02:39.27 | FoxMcLeod | hehe, instant, you can keep running ;) |
| 02:39.36 | Cide | I'd rather be disc myself |
| 02:39.45 | Industrial | i wonder |
| 02:39.46 | Shirik | I already mentioned I don't spec back and forth :P |
| 02:39.49 | Industrial | what DOES a disc priest do |
| 02:39.56 | FoxMcLeod | manaburn |
| 02:39.57 | Shirik | not die |
| 02:39.57 | Cide | get crit and then heal |
| 02:39.58 | Industrial | like, arcane mage.. what does he do :P |
| 02:39.59 | Shirik | and mana burn |
| 02:40.01 | Shirik | that's about it |
| 02:40.09 | Shirik | disc priests just don't fking die |
| 02:40.11 | FoxMcLeod | it's really bad, and they can survive quite long |
| 02:40.11 | Cide | dispel, mana burn when not beaten on |
| 02:40.21 | Industrial | hm ok |
| 02:40.27 | Shirik | they laugh at you in your face |
| 02:40.32 | Cide | when beaten on, get crit, pop pain suppression or power infusion and then heal like hell |
| 02:40.33 | Industrial | :) |
| 02:40.34 | Shirik | then do a psychic scream, 5x mana burn |
| 02:40.37 | Industrial | 20 yesterday :P |
| 02:40.41 | FoxMcLeod | lvl at shadow, it's way easier |
| 02:40.56 | Cide | I'd rather be disc than shadow vs any mana user |
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| 02:41.08 | Shirik | !vs us drenden kimina eu Kult der Verdammten Karatina |
| 02:41.10 | ThraeBot | Shirik: Kimina vs Karatina! Two 70 priests square off!; Karatina wins by 78 TBRs! |
| 02:41.12 | Shirik | =( |
| 02:41.13 | Industrial | yah im shadow |
| 02:41.22 | Shirik | if I were buffed... |
| 02:41.23 | FoxMcLeod | yeah, but for lvling shadow is king, with the +50%will and everything |
| 02:41.38 | Cide | shadow is king after 40 |
| 02:41.45 | FoxMcLeod | Yay! In your face ;) |
| 02:41.49 | Shirik | shadow fl!!!! |
| 02:41.54 | Shirik | ftl* |
| 02:42.00 | Shirik | but spirit tap = win for leveling |
| 02:42.01 | Cide | up to like 20, wand spec ftw |
| 02:42.09 | Industrial | i did that |
| 02:42.09 | Industrial | :P |
| 02:42.10 | Cide | supposedly smite is pro until you get shadowform |
| 02:42.19 | Cide | but I haven't leveled a priest since release |
| 02:42.23 | Cide | actually I have |
| 02:42.27 | Cide | just before naxx was released |
| 02:42.32 | Shirik | I have leveled... 3? |
| 02:42.35 | Shirik | All holy the entire way |
| 02:42.36 | Cide | (I had 2 60 undead priests on the same server) |
| 02:42.41 | Shirik | except only 1 is 70 |
| 02:42.43 | Cide | you're mentally deficient |
| 02:43.19 | FoxMcLeod | err, shadow can kill mobs 3 times faster from lvl 30 onward |
| 02:43.22 | Cide | mikma: looks good |
| 02:43.31 | Cide | mikma: although.. why zone name? that's bad for localization :P |
| 02:43.40 | Cide | FoxMcLeod: have you tried it? |
| 02:43.50 | mikma | http://wow.reaktio.net/line7.jpg |
| 02:43.52 | Cide | mind flay is weak until 44-ish |
| 02:44.03 | FoxMcLeod | yeah I lvled with shadow and I changed for two weeks to get some quests done |
| 02:44.12 | FoxMcLeod | ok, that 3 times faster was before 2.3 |
| 02:44.13 | mikma | Cide: i need a way to hide the lines when leaving the frame, that's the only way i could think of doing it easily |
| 02:44.38 | Cide | well, a localized name isn't very smart imo |
| 02:44.54 | Cide | the background texture of the zone should be locale-independent |
| 02:45.15 | Cide | I like the look of the lines though |
| 02:45.23 | FoxMcLeod | ? |
| 02:45.34 | mikma | well if i think of a way to make this in some nice way, i'll do it of course :D |
| 02:45.35 | Cide | ? |
| 02:45.46 | mikma | this is the first actual, working version of the route i wanted |
| 02:45.46 | Cide | I just suggested a *great* way :) |
| 02:46.10 | mikma | yes i don't argue about that :) i just don't know how to do it properly hehe |
| 02:46.23 | Cide | what're you doing with the zone name you pass the function? |
| 02:46.41 | mikma | btw, http://azeroth.mmo-champion.com/media/carto4.jpg vs http://wow.reaktio.net/line7.jpg |
| 02:47.10 | mikma | Cide: tell the addon that it's supposed to be shown in that zone, maybe :O |
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| 02:47.29 | Cide | yeah, but how do you know when you're in the right zone? |
| 02:47.34 | Cide | what api call are you looking that up with? |
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| 02:48.22 | mikma | Cide: local zone = GetRealZoneText(); if MZonetable[zone] then |
| 02:48.27 | Cide | ah |
| 02:48.38 | mikma | well, this comes with event "WORLD_MAP_UPDATE" |
| 02:49.34 | mikma | basicly, the name in the function is just for the line to know in which table will it be added |
| 02:50.08 | mikma | i guess i can try to remove the naming of the lines off for starters |
| 02:50.15 | Shirik | Ok |
| 02:50.22 | Shirik | I'm listening to Obama, live |
| 02:50.30 | Shirik | and he just said "Shut down Guantanamo, restore habeus corpus" |
| 02:50.35 | Shirik | what is "restore habeus corpus" |
| 02:50.47 | Shirik | because as I understand it, it means "show me the body" |
| 02:50.47 | Industrial | i dunno but he wins |
| 02:50.56 | Shirik | which means nothing in that context |
| 02:51.02 | Cide | http://www.google.com/search?q=habeus+corpus |
| 02:51.05 | Cide | you fail, sir |
| 02:51.08 | Shirik | know I know what habeus corpus means |
| 02:51.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's like "show me the money" |
| 02:51.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | only with corpses |
| 02:51.27 | mikma | http://wow.reaktio.net/originalline.jpg <- that's the original line from where i got my data |
| 02:51.36 | Cide | [habeas corpus] is the name of a legal action, or writ, through which a person can seek relief from unlawful detention of themselves or another person. |
| 02:51.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | obama is a necrophiliac didn't you know |
| 02:51.39 | Shirik | it means that you have to present the evidence |
| 02:51.46 | Shirik | but wtf does that have to do with guantanamo? |
| 02:51.58 | Industrial | unlawful detention? |
| 02:52.06 | Shirik | and how do you "restore" it? |
| 02:52.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | those deemed enemy combatants are denied habeus corpus atm |
| 02:52.14 | Industrial | be closing it down :P? |
| 02:52.15 | Cide | by shutting it down, I would guess |
| 02:52.21 | MentalPower | Shirik: the people at guantamo have no right to habeus corpus |
| 02:52.38 | Cide | ah |
| 02:52.41 | Cide | that makes sense |
| 02:52.44 | Industrial | which is retarded. |
| 02:53.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | i used to disagree |
| 02:53.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | but then i got to thinking |
| 02:53.15 | Industrial | also destroy all your nukes how inactive they may be and close all the damn military airports in europe and the resyt of the world :P |
| 02:53.21 | Industrial | world leading country my ass. |
| 02:53.26 | Industrial | next! |
| 02:53.33 | mikma | oh well, i just realized i still need to do a proper way of showing the lines in the map :O |
| 02:53.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | i like our nukes |
| 02:53.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | they're a good insurance policy |
| 02:53.52 | Industrial | i dont, you have more then the rest combined |
| 02:53.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | yup. |
| 02:53.57 | MentalPower | actually, no country in the world extends habeus corpus to people that are not inside their national borders or are not their citizens |
| 02:54.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's a good insurance policy |
| 02:54.10 | Shirik | tanks |
| 02:54.14 | Shirik | thanks* |
| 02:54.14 | Shirik | MentalPower: ok it makes much more sense |
| 02:54.22 | Industrial | sure, go invade another country then. |
| 02:54.27 | Industrial | \o |
| 02:54.30 | Industrial | / |
| 02:54.47 | Shirik | whatever |
| 02:54.56 | Industrial | you know im right :> |
| 02:55.35 | MentalPower | and since the people in guantanamo are neither US citizens nor are they inside US borders, habeas corpus as dictated by the US constitution is not granted to them |
| 02:56.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | are military bases not considered us soil? |
| 02:56.12 | Shirik | half of my messages are being ignored |
| 02:56.12 | Shirik | so now Industrial things I'm saying "whatever" to him |
| 02:56.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm pretty sure american military bases and embassies are |
| 02:56.31 | Industrial | Shirik: yeah :( |
| 02:56.39 | MentalPower | yes, they are, but the US is treating them like they're not |
| 02:56.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't think it's a great policy to hold off-shore military prisons to loophole the constitution either |
| 02:56.51 | Industrial | only thingk I received now was rofl |
| 02:57.11 | MentalPower | Mr_Rabies2: you've just hit the nail |
| 02:57.28 | Shirik | so it's irrelevant whether or not they're on US soil |
| 02:57.37 | Shirik | And this was before that statement: the constitution does not guarantee freedoms to non-citizens Mr_Rabies2 |
| 02:58.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | i just don't much like the idea of loopholing the constitution's intent unless you do it legally via amendments |
| 02:58.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm sure there's american citizens in gitmo |
| 02:59.08 | Saint-N | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdpJh_zc6k8 |
| 02:59.09 | Shirik | I totally agree, I'm just saying |
| 02:59.09 | Industrial | Shirik: the point is not following the constitution and doing everything you can thats not denied in it. |
| 02:59.18 | Saint-N | someone try and explain to me why i thinkshes cute |
| 03:00.20 | Saint-N | and btw |
| 03:00.24 | Shirik | Saint-N: she's ok |
| 03:00.27 | Saint-N | bif naked > ANY female artist |
| 03:00.30 | Shirik | not great, but I'm extremely biased |
| 03:01.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | i like garbage alright, Saint-N, as far as popular bands with female vocalists go |
| 03:02.45 | |Jelly| | sigh |
| 03:02.51 | |Jelly| | arguing in vent over 2.0 changes |
| 03:02.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | why |
| 03:03.01 | Saint-N | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVIFVUX6nSM <-- you're old if you remember watching this when it was new |
| 03:03.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | did someone go into a coma for a year |
| 03:03.28 | Shirik | <3 |Jelly| |
| 03:03.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | and canadian perhaps |
| 03:03.30 | Shirik | come to us! |
| 03:03.35 | Shirik | You don't need them |
| 03:03.37 | Saint-N | and canadian ;P |
| 03:03.45 | Saint-N | bif is canadian too ;P |
| 03:03.49 | |Jelly| | "He has a mod that automatically downranks for him!" |
| 03:03.50 | Shirik | and I still want to fight you |
| 03:03.53 | Shirik | yeah ok |
| 03:04.01 | |Jelly| | "except no he doesn't" |
| 03:04.11 | Shirik | downranking is overrated imo anyway |
| 03:04.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | the only canadian band is rush |
| 03:04.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | all the others don't count |
| 03:04.28 | Shirik | it used to be very effective at 60 |
| 03:04.31 | Shirik | it's not as much anymore |
| 03:04.59 | Shirik | |Jelly|: tell him to come in here |
| 03:04.59 | Cide | because of the changes to how +healing affects low-ranked spells |
| 03:05.04 | Shirik | I want to ask him some questions |
| 03:05.08 | Cide | it's not viable anymore |
| 03:05.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_Rxjs9ZdtE |
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| 03:05.26 | |Jelly| | They're all "His works..." (healbot) |
| 03:05.27 | Shirik | Cide :exactly |
| 03:05.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | i rest my case. |
| 03:05.32 | Cide | it wasn't viable at 60 once they changed the formulae either |
| 03:05.40 | Shirik | |Jelly|: do it!! |
| 03:05.40 | Cide | until they did, however, it was damn overpowered |
| 03:05.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | i didn't because i had almost no +heal at 60, heh |
| 03:06.01 | Shirik | Cide: Well that's what I meant |
| 03:06.12 | Cide | people with +1000 healing never ran out of mana |
| 03:06.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | i stacked int because i was raiding feral and when i had to heal just used my massive mana pool |
| 03:06.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | i still had a good +600 heal or so |
| 03:06.31 | Shirik | you stacked int as feral? |
| 03:06.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | for healing, yes |
| 03:06.39 | Shirik | oh |
| 03:06.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | since i had 20% more than restos |
| 03:06.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | in the same gear |
| 03:06.53 | Cide | that's one thing I dislike actually |
| 03:07.00 | Cide | not the fact that you did heal |
| 03:07.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | i had about 11,000 mana |
| 03:07.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | at 60 |
| 03:07.17 | Cide | but that off-spec healers are treated as backup healers |
| 03:07.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | not so much anymore |
| 03:07.30 | Cide | like when I was shadow, I'd have to switch out and heal on some fights |
| 03:07.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | thank god |
| 03:07.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | that was annoying |
| 03:07.34 | Cide | which is utterly useless |
| 03:07.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | well |
| 03:07.40 | Cide | thankfully we don't do that anymore |
| 03:07.45 | Shirik | Cide: we don't do that anymore |
| 03:07.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | at least it's more useful than a feral trying to heal |
| 03:07.52 | Shirik | not after that gruul fight we did in... something like 4 minutes? |
| 03:07.54 | Cide | Mr_Rabies2: the same thing applies though |
| 03:07.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | at least the +dmg gives you int and some +healing |
| 03:08.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | ferals in feral gear have none of either |
| 03:08.05 | Cide | non-healer specced healer classes are NOT healers |
| 03:08.07 | Cide | period |
| 03:08.09 | Industrial | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxD4Ruf68bU |
| 03:08.10 | Shirik | we had 5 healers, the shadow priest asked me after one went down if he should pop out |
| 03:08.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | agreed |
| 03:08.17 | Industrial | I wonder what other sounds she can make |
| 03:08.18 | Industrial | :DDD |
| 03:08.24 | Shirik | And I was watching the hp, and I could literally count out the numbers as they were going down |
| 03:08.27 | Shirik | so I was like "no" |
| 03:08.30 | Shirik | and then he died |
| 03:08.41 | Cide | but I think people have come to realize this now.. when it happened for me it was pretty close to BC's release |
| 03:08.45 | Shirik | they went down so fast I've never seen a boss drop like that |
| 03:08.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | i also had about 10,000 hp at 60 in tank gear, though |
| 03:08.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | so yeah |
| 03:08.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | i was a beast at tanking |
| 03:08.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | (and armor capped) |
| 03:09.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | now i'm at about 18-20k and not armor capped, but i am uncrittable unlike i was at 60 |
| 03:10.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | still sucks i'm gonna have to pvp a decent amount to upgrade my tanking gear :/ |
| 03:11.17 | Saint-N | .Stolen Babies Lacuna Coil Evanescence Paramore |
| 03:11.22 | Saint-N | that makes me sad |
| 03:11.37 | Saint-N | that was the girls of rock tour that i went to and nyc didnt get evanescence |
| 03:11.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't know about stolen babies or paramore |
| 03:11.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | but evanecense is good talent wasted |
| 03:11.57 | Saint-N | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GcZHxXTW90 |
| 03:12.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | amy lee is very talented but the lyrics are awful |
| 03:12.07 | Saint-N | think a circus female mister bungle |
| 03:12.10 | Saint-N | yeah |
| 03:12.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | this coming from a guy that likes power metal |
| 03:12.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | and usually doesn't care for lyrics too much |
| 03:12.41 | Saint-N | the chick from stolen babies is super cute |
| 03:12.43 | Saint-N | in person |
| 03:13.02 | Industrial | power metal ftw |
| 03:13.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | i loves me some power metal |
| 03:13.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | but i'll be damned if it aint cheesy as hell |
| 03:13.20 | Saint-N | deathklok |
| 03:13.22 | Saint-N | ;) |
| 03:13.29 | Industrial | lol |
| 03:13.30 | Cide | THUNDERHORSE |
| 03:13.33 | Saint-N | proving that lyrics mean NOTHING to own |
| 03:13.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | you don't understand |
| 03:13.51 | Saint-N | its about the riffs and some guttural moises ;P |
| 03:13.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | rhapsody |
| 03:13.52 | Cide | best song of guitar hero 2? me thinks so |
| 03:13.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | takes christopher lee |
| 03:13.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | to concerts |
| 03:14.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | and has him go all lord of the rings |
| 03:14.15 | Industrial | I accept the cheesyness and then bask in its metal glory! |
| 03:14.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | he gets a little chair and lamp |
| 03:14.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | me too |
| 03:14.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ftd2skKMkho&feature=related |
| 03:14.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | but i mean |
| 03:14.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | you have to take it with a grain of salt |
| 03:15.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | i mean hell, iron maiden is basically the pioneer of power metal |
| 03:15.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | mostly on accident |
| 03:15.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | also the singer from rhapsody looks like weird al |
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| 03:17.17 | mikma | Cide: well, i DID actually manage to do this in more smarter way than before |
| 03:17.27 | Cide | cool :) |
| 03:18.12 | mikma | Cide: i'll just created a new frame called NetherstormBox and whacked the lines to that frame. the frame is SetAllPoints(WorldMapDetailFrame) so now i can just Hide() and Show() the frame instead of the lines! |
| 03:18.32 | Cide | that's nice, and better performance-wise too |
| 03:18.56 | mikma | yeah, one useless table deleted, and alot of crap from the used table deleted too |
| 03:19.07 | mikma | that means, 370 entries from Netherstorm |
| 03:19.07 | Cide | anyway, I'm off to bed |
| 03:19.08 | Cide | later guys |
| 03:19.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | wait cide |
| 03:19.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | first: |
| 03:19.19 | Cide | meh |
| 03:19.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | MALMSTEEN |
| 03:19.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://youtube.com/watch?v=2cm-w62o9o8 |
| 03:19.32 | Cide | yngwie is overrated |
| 03:19.35 | Cide | my friend loves him |
| 03:19.38 | Cide | more or less literally |
| 03:19.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | bwahaha |
| 03:19.46 | Industrial | http://youtube.com/watch?v=S1M8uDnFSj4 |
| 03:20.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | he's really damn good, considering how little he's hammering |
| 03:20.15 | Cide | he is good |
| 03:20.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | and how fast he can cover the entire fretboard |
| 03:20.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | hearts on fire is my least favorite hammerfall song Industrial |
| 03:20.45 | Industrial | hammerfall ! :P |
| 03:20.48 | Industrial | hmm |
| 03:20.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | also, you know samwise from sons of the storm that does blizzard concept art does their album art i'm sure |
| 03:21.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://youtube.com/watch?v=4JH0zc_DnN4 |
| 03:21.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | probably has the highest production quality video |
| 03:21.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | but the intro narration |
| 03:21.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | is laffo |
| 03:22.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | metal always has such terrible videos |
| 03:22.30 | Industrial | yah |
| 03:23.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://youtube.com/watch?v=onZObq0T6os |
| 03:23.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | exception^ |
| 03:23.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | andit's not even a real metal band |
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| 03:25.26 | Industrial | http://youtube.com/watch?v=ocBSE-MnV6k&feature=related |
| 03:25.29 | Industrial | I love dark moor |
| 03:25.34 | Industrial | well their old albums |
| 03:25.38 | Industrial | not after the reform :( |
| 03:26.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | i like demons & wizards |
| 03:26.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | iced earth + blind guardian = very yes |
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| 03:27.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | also, probably my favorite metal song in the last 5 years is this |
| 03:27.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ka6fqC_wue8 |
| 03:27.18 | Industrial | mmm im not too fond of their vocals |
| 03:27.44 | mattswell | hmm |
| 03:28.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | the lyrics are great and it makes me want to grab a frost-covered axe and go raid a town orsomething |
| 03:28.51 | Industrial | haha |
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| 03:29.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | i see myself making a video in WotlK with it |
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| 03:31.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/dethklok/thelostvikings.html |
| 03:31.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | the greatest part is if you only catch portions of the lyrics, it sounds epic |
| 03:31.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | but if you listen to the whole thing, it's a song about vikings who can't EVEN FIND the battle |
| 03:32.00 | mattswell | i'm looking for an ace alternative to a cosmos addon. combatcaller automagically does /oom or /healme depending on configured % of health/mana remaining |
| 03:32.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | combatcaller, hrm |
| 03:32.27 | mattswell | i haven't used it since before the expansion |
| 03:32.29 | mattswell | i miss it :D |
| 03:32.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't much see the reason to get an ace version but i can check |
| 03:32.42 | mattswell | i can't configure combatcaller |
| 03:32.45 | mattswell | unless i edit the LUA |
| 03:32.47 | mattswell | without cosmos |
| 03:33.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | ah, that's true, without khaos or whatever |
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| 03:33.26 | mattswell | yeah khaos, thats it |
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| 03:36.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | hrm |
| 03:36.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | vitalwatch MAY do what you awnt |
| 03:36.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | want* |
| 03:36.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | but i don't use it |
| 03:36.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | but it's worth a look |
| 03:37.05 | malreth | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3435468188474233742 |
| 03:37.27 | malreth | for some reason, dethklok reminded me of this |
| 03:37.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | i love that video |
| 03:37.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | it was directed by jhonen vasquez if you didn't know :p |
| 03:38.07 | mattswell | thanks rabies |
| 03:38.10 | mattswell | i'll check it out |
| 03:38.19 | malreth | i know, Mr_Rabies |
| 03:38.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | ah okay |
| 03:38.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | i love the video |
| 03:38.29 | malreth | me too |
| 03:38.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | when the guy's all "mah mah mah" |
| 03:38.35 | malreth | i love the song, too actually |
| 03:38.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | and then he throws the babies through someone |
| 03:38.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah, i like msi |
| 03:38.44 | malreth | IMPROPER COMMA USAGE!!! |
| 03:38.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | i love their cover of tom sawyer |
| 03:39.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://youtube.com/watch?v=Krt7au3u6hs |
| 03:39.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | it needs |
| 03:39.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | to be in rock band, so bad |
| 03:39.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | just use the built in track for the notechart |
| 03:39.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | and speed it up, and use the audio as that |
| 03:39.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | i love rush, and i love msi, so the cover is great |
| 03:40.34 | mattswell | wow |
| 03:40.35 | mattswell | msi |
| 03:40.37 | mattswell | long time :D |
| 03:40.41 | mattswell | awesome video |
| 03:41.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah and i love venture brothers |
| 03:41.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | so that video |
| 03:41.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | is like |
| 03:41.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | awesome |
| 03:41.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | the slow motion part where it's all BWOOWOOWOO and he's flying in in slow motion on the burning car and the doves show up makes me lose it every time |
| 03:56.02 | malreth | http://youtube.com/watch?v=6kG88mCozbI |
| 03:56.43 | malreth | i like the tom sawyer song because it's not just a me-too cover... but i prefer the original version by rush honestly |
| 03:57.07 | malreth | gotta go... bbl |
| 04:00.00 | Tem|Gone | Things you don't want to hear from your tank: |
| 04:00.12 | Tem|Gone | "Can I have salv, please?" |
| 04:00.33 | kd3 | damn it azureus. I only have one ep downloading, go faster! |
| 04:00.34 | kd3 | ick |
| 04:00.39 | Tem|Gone | "BUT IF USE MY MOUSE TO TURN HOW DO I CLIK ON REND???" |
| 04:01.59 | Tem|Gone | kd3, blame the java backend |
| 04:02.12 | Tem|Gone | kd3, everyone knows all java apps run 10x slower than anything else |
| 04:02.22 | Tem|Gone | </sarcasm> |
| 04:02.41 | kd3 | even then, it should be hitting the cap like it usually does. well-seeded torrent, chugging along at 10-15kB/s |
| 04:03.26 | Tem|Gone | sadface |
| 04:03.40 | Tem|Gone | kd3, it's probably people like me seeding |
| 04:03.54 | Tem|Gone | if I'm active, I cap my upload rate at 5kbs |
| 04:04.15 | Tem|Gone | nothing more annoying than my torrent client eating all my upload bandwidth when I'm trying to work remotely |
| 04:05.18 | Tem|Gone | "oh god, I hit firefox... time to wait 5 minutes for the screen to finishing loading" |
| 04:05.45 | kd3 | ah, the joy of TCP |
| 04:06.46 | Tem|Gone | MULTIPLICATIVE INCREASE |
| 04:06.53 | Tem|Gone | additive decrease |
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| 04:17.11 | Shirik | TCP is fail |
| 04:17.24 | Shirik | actually TCP is pretty good in most cases, but it is way overused by applications that shouldn't be using it |
| 04:17.31 | Shirik | WoW is one of them imho |
| 04:17.41 | Shirik | WoW should be using UDP and its own error detection system |
| 04:17.58 | Shirik | because when you have a lost packet, everything gets queued up behind because packets have to be delivered in order |
| 04:18.21 | Shirik | which for the most part isn't really that important, it's more important that packets are received in a timely fashion |
| 04:18.51 | Shirik | People use TCP for its inherent connection orientation |
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| 04:29.42 | Shirik | ~ping |
| 04:29.43 | purl | pong |
| 04:33.27 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Shirik |
| 04:33.27 | purl | readies the nuke launcher and fires some rounds at Shirik |
| 04:35.38 | Shirik | hii Thunder_Child |
| 04:35.48 | Shirik | tell me what you think of my crappy pictures |
| 04:37.09 | Thunder_Child | i think they are great!..but thats because i cant see them |
| 04:37.31 | Thunder_Child | where are they? |
| 04:38.11 | Shirik | this is my parents' camera and I can't figure out how to plug it in (battery is dead) -_- one second |
| 04:38.29 | Shirik | and apparently they don't know how either (I'm surprised they know how to push the shutter button) |
| 04:39.27 | Thunder_Child | thats mean |
| 04:39.37 | NightHawkTheSane | but likely true |
| 04:39.37 | Shirik | they know it's true |
| 04:39.55 | Shirik | they have this digital slr and they use it like a point-and-shoot. Why do you think they had me take the pictures? |
| 04:40.02 | Thunder_Child | ok, then why cant YOU figure it out? |
| 04:40.39 | Shirik | I don't think it has a plug on it o.o |
| 04:40.49 | Shirik | I've looked everywhere I can think of |
| 04:40.55 | Iriel | What make/model? |
| 04:40.58 | Thunder_Child | most do, most dont expect you to have a card reader |
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| 04:42.33 | Shirik | I found the backup battery though |
| 04:42.52 | Shirik | and once again my messages are coming in LIFO order.... IRC IS NOT A STACK |
| 04:43.19 | Shirik | anyway, Iriel, it's a Cannon digital rebel xti |
| 04:43.53 | Thunder_Child | it has a mini usb connection |
| 04:43.58 | Thunder_Child | left side |
| 04:44.00 | Shirik | yeah I found that |
| 04:44.05 | Shirik | but it doesn't power the camera |
| 04:44.10 | Thunder_Child | nope |
| 04:44.18 | Thunder_Child | only way to charge it is in the charger |
| 04:44.25 | Thunder_Child | take the battery out and charge it |
| 04:44.28 | Shirik | ~fail canon |
| 04:44.29 | purl | canon: Fail. |
| 04:44.41 | Thunder_Child | most pro cameras are like that |
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| 04:44.45 | Thunder_Child | i think |
| 04:44.48 | Shirik | meh |
| 04:44.51 | Shirik | battery should be charged enough by now |
| 04:49.53 | Iriel | Ah, didn't realize you were looking for a means to power it. |
| 04:50.10 | Iriel | My nikons dont charge in the camera either (though you can power them externally) |
| 04:51.00 | Shirik | ok, I now know to keep in mind the sharpness of this camera is horrible at 1/60 |
| 04:51.05 | Shirik | which means either I suck at holding my arms still or I just need to pay more attention |
| 04:51.45 | MentalPower | http://www.gamingnewslink.com/2007/12/28/blizzard-community-manager-responds-to-an-angry-fan-video-with-a-video-of-his-own-a-hot-girl/ |
| 04:52.11 | MentalPower | SFW |
| 04:52.20 | kd3 | wth |
| 04:52.30 | Shirik | no I'm looking at some other pictures, they're pretty ... bad too |
| 04:53.42 | Shirik | I'm currently not impressed by this camera :P |
| 04:56.47 | kd3 | now we need the wow CMs to do that too |
| 05:05.05 | MentalPower | kd3: indeed! |
| 05:05.50 | Guillotine | has anybody looked through the wowhead data collection addon? It looks like it was made by some random paid programmer from india. It is just SO inefficient |
| 05:06.47 | Guillotine | they treat Lua like it has multiple threads all running at once where they need to worry about variables being changed o.LO |
| 05:07.01 | Thunder_Child | reposting in wowhead channel |
| 05:08.43 | Guillotine | don't :P |
| 05:08.47 | Guillotine | I don't want to be insulting them |
| 05:08.50 | Guillotine | I was just really suprised |
| 05:09.19 | Guillotine | I mean... there are the most random if statements |
| 05:11.01 | |pez| | wowhead is better than thottbot anyday, even if their data collector might be inefficient. XD |
| 05:12.46 | Guillotine | oh, I agree |
| 05:12.50 | Guillotine | the website is great |
| 05:12.57 | Guillotine | the data collector is just wierd |
| 05:13.55 | Guillotine | also, theres a lot of cool data it collects that isn't available on the site o.O |
| 05:14.03 | |pez| | like what? |
| 05:14.33 | Guillotine | spells obtainable when something is mind controlled |
| 05:15.01 | Guillotine | quotes different mobs say/yell/whisper to you |
| 05:16.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Ha |
| 05:16.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Just killed the Aldor leader |
| 05:16.30 | ScytheBlade1 | http://images.aboveaverageurl.com/WoW/misc/IshanahDead3.png |
| 05:16.52 | Shirik | lul |
| 05:17.01 | |pez| | meanie! |
| 05:17.06 | Shirik | I kill the shatt guards periodically |
| 05:17.06 | Shirik | most of the shatt NPCs are pretty weak tbh |
| 05:17.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Sure am! |
| 05:17.19 | ScytheBlade1 | She's surrounded (normally) in level 19 mobs |
| 05:17.23 | Guillotine | how do you aggro them? |
| 05:17.26 | ScytheBlade1 | My Ice Lance can one shot them |
| 05:17.40 | Shirik | I'm a scryer, so I attack the lv 10 aldor guys at the bottom of the elevator |
| 05:17.50 | Shirik | they get mad and if you get close to the guards while still in combat, they attack you |
| 05:17.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Also see 1.png and 2.png |
| 05:18.04 | ScytheBlade1 | I had a horde side oomkin (who I think is actually a dreamstate healer) help out |
| 05:18.20 | Shirik | weakling! |
| 05:18.28 | Shirik | I solo the shatt guards |
| 05:18.37 | ScytheBlade1 | She has a lot of HP |
| 05:18.44 | ScytheBlade1 | And hits fairly hard (a few thousand) |
| 05:18.45 | Shirik | I'm also a priest |
| 05:18.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Plus a heal, shield, and nasty smite |
| 05:18.58 | Shirik | she has a heal? |
| 05:19.02 | ScytheBlade1 | She does |
| 05:19.05 | ScytheBlade1 | A Greater Heal |
| 05:19.09 | Shirik | then they must have intended her to be attackable |
| 05:19.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Well she died, haha |
| 05:19.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Shield smite and a heal |
| 05:19.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Melees for a few thousand |
| 05:19.58 | Shirik | I've always been worried if some GM in a bad mood would ban me for killing the NPCs |
| 05:20.04 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 05:20.11 | ScytheBlade1 | I pissed off an alliance side feral druid doing that |
| 05:20.20 | ScytheBlade1 | So he emptied his mana bar healing her |
| 05:20.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Didn't really get places |
| 05:22.06 | mattswell | is there an addon that will announce (in party/raid) when spells are about to expire? |
| 05:22.14 | mattswell | specifically spells which someone else cast on you |
| 05:25.18 | Guillotine | if not, it would be pretty easy to make |
| 05:26.08 | mattswell | yeah |
| 05:26.11 | mattswell | buffoptions did it |
| 05:26.16 | mattswell | back in the day :D |
| 05:39.00 | Shirik | Cairenn: ping |
| 05:55.45 | Guillotine | I have the best foot warmer ever |
| 05:55.49 | Guillotine | it is a very fat cat |
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| 06:03.02 | Shirik | Mr_Rabies: ping |
| 06:03.12 | Shirik | or any resto druid for that matter |
| 06:08.18 | Guillotine | eh, I'm sometimes resto |
| 06:08.30 | Guillotine | watcha need? |
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| 06:25.15 | Shirik | ~logs |
| 06:25.16 | purl | logs is probably apt/ibot/infobot/jbot/purl all log daily to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz |
| 06:26.21 | art3mis | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:26.25 | art3mis | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:26.49 | Shirik | art3mis: What was my most recent quit message? |
| 06:27.12 | Shirik | no that was not it |
| 06:27.33 | art3mis | úù. [signoff(#wowi-lounge)] ö [Shirik(Fails at irc and life)] |
| 06:27.43 | Shirik | =( |
| 06:27.54 | art3mis | úù. [signoff(#wowi-lounge)] ö [Shirik(Error 69: Erection Reset by Beer)] |
| 06:28.06 | art3mis | it was really just a client quit |
| 06:28.10 | Shirik | I just want to be sure it's ot something like freenode temporarily disabling ircatwork |
| 06:28.11 | Shirik | was it? |
| 06:28.15 | art3mis | yup |
| 06:28.21 | Shirik | ok so ircatwork is being stupid then |
| 06:28.56 | art3mis | Shirik("CGI:IRC")] [Shirik(Client Quit)] [Shirik("CGI:IRC (EOF)")] [Shirik(Client Quit)] yer last 4 |
| 06:29.01 | Shirik | oh |
| 06:29.04 | Shirik | that's not a client quit! |
| 06:29.11 | Shirik | oh |
| 06:29.12 | Shirik | last 4 |
| 06:29.17 | art3mis | sorry |
| 06:29.26 | Shirik | ok... hm |
| 06:29.28 | art3mis | yer last 100 ;) |
| 06:29.37 | Shirik | not a clue |
| 06:29.37 | Shirik | the EOF makes a little sense, the other two |
| 06:29.37 | art3mis | since appearantly decimal seems confusing |
| 06:29.48 | Shirik | and that was reverse order again |
| 06:29.51 | Shirik | wtf is up with that |
| 06:29.59 | Shirik | "the EOF makes a little sense. The other two, not a clue" |
| 06:30.02 | art3mis | nope thats in chro0no order |
| 06:30.13 | art3mis | starting at the left |
| 06:30.26 | Shirik | I think I'll give up for the night |
| 06:30.28 | mattswell | ugh |
| 06:30.39 | mattswell | wish i had the time to update vitalwatch :D |
| 06:30.42 | art3mis | i dont see why you don't just bounce |
| 06:30.54 | art3mis | webbased irc cliets == suhk |
| 06:30.57 | Shirik | because I don't have a working knowledge of how to set that up |
| 06:31.19 | Shirik | watch futurama and go to sleep |
| 06:31.23 | Shirik | anyway, I think I'll give up for the night and |
| 06:31.27 | Shirik | yeah that |
| 06:31.32 | Shirik | that only was about 5 minutes after I sent it |
| 06:31.34 | Shirik | w/e |
| 06:31.35 | art3mis | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bouncer_(networking) |
| 06:31.40 | art3mis | and now you do |
| 06:31.45 | Shirik | I know what it is, not how to set it up |
| 06:31.49 | Shirik | or do they hae that info there? |
| 06:31.54 | art3mis | apt-get install bnc ;P |
| 06:31.56 | Shirik | Oh well I'll check it out tomorrow. Night :) And thanks again |
| 06:32.10 | Shirik | er, they don't like linux I mean |
| 06:32.11 | Shirik | YEah the hotel doesn't like windows |
| 06:32.12 | art3mis | nano /etc/bnc.conf set the port and pass |
| 06:32.30 | art3mis | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:32.41 | art3mis | instant bouncer |
| 06:33.02 | art3mis | err set port pass and server |
| 06:33.10 | art3mis | more or less |
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| 06:33.21 | Shirik | but I like this one |
| 06:33.21 | Shirik | night :D |
| 06:33.25 | Shirik | but anyway, enough chatter, I'm missing this futurama episode that I already have memorized |
| 06:33.38 | Shirik | ok that is so out of order holy crap |
| 06:33.39 | Shirik | and I don't think you got any of these messages so I'll just give up now |
| 06:33.40 | Shirik | night >< |
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| 06:34.44 | art3mis | http://www.psybnc.info/ |
| 06:35.00 | art3mis | it's the last running of futurama btw |
| 06:35.09 | art3mis | jan 1 2008 they no longer have the contract |
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| 07:04.26 | Guillotine | YES! Scientology southpark on XD |
| 07:04.32 | Guillotine | awesome episode |
| 07:05.06 | MentalPower | grr... Adobe's Flash Video Encoder takes for friggin ever! |
| 07:05.27 | MentalPower | 45mins for a 5min clip |
| 07:23.56 | Thunder_Child | though i would realy realy like one of the 1TB drives |
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| 07:33.10 | Guillotine | rofl. I was just wondering why my mouse kept doing wierd, random clicks |
| 07:33.18 | Guillotine | turns out the cat got ahold of my wireless mouse |
| 07:33.53 | Thunder_Child | get a bew cat |
| 07:33.57 | Thunder_Child | ne* |
| 07:34.00 | Thunder_Child | new* |
| 07:34.38 | Guillotine | :( but hes so fat |
| 07:34.42 | Guillotine | and chuborable |
| 07:34.49 | Thunder_Child | ~lart max |
| 07:34.49 | purl | explains, ever so gently, that if max doesn't give the channel more information, they can't help |
| 07:34.49 | Guillotine | Chubby+Adorable=Chuborable |
| 07:35.01 | Guillotine | wow, thats a weak lart |
| 07:35.07 | Thunder_Child | no kidding |
| 07:36.38 | NightHawkTheSane | I dunno, it could be appropriate at times. be nice under a specific trigger, though |
| 07:36.56 | Guillotine | it would definately be appropriate, but as a lart? o.O |
| 07:37.03 | Guillotine | ~lart purl |
| 07:37.03 | purl | executes killall -HUP guillotine |
| 07:37.12 | Guillotine | THAT is a lart |
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| 08:21.21 | bleeter | ~lart Guillotine |
| 08:21.21 | purl | steals Guillotine's mojo |
| 08:21.31 | bleeter | *nasty* |
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| 08:41.01 | Iriel | Night folks |
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| 08:44.39 | bleeter | nn Iriel |
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| 09:25.19 | malreth|afk | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:25.26 | malreth|afk | always fun |
| 09:28.11 | malreth|afk | off to bed now... |
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| 09:55.01 | sag_ich_nicht | Guillotine: i think the bug i mentioned earlier might be related to Notes-U-Need |
| 09:55.23 | Guillotine | yay! less for me to do :D |
| 09:55.48 | sag_ich_nicht | i dunno |
| 09:55.49 | sag_ich_nicht | :P |
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| 11:13.02 | Guillotine | gn all :) |
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| 15:17.00 | PfhorSlayer | Hey all |
| 15:17.12 | Lopeppeppy | Mornin. |
| 15:17.33 | PfhorSlayer | I updated cosmos earlier, and there's now a black frame behind my world map (I'm running a widescreen resolution) |
| 15:17.47 | PfhorSlayer | I'd like to remove it, but I'm not sure where it's being set/enabled/created |
| 15:18.03 | PfhorSlayer | is there a name for the whole world map frame? |
| 15:18.20 | PfhorSlayer | that I could search my interface files for and see if something's changing it? |
| 15:18.25 | deltron | that's default wow behavior |
| 15:18.37 | PfhorSlayer | it didn't use to do that, before I updated! |
| 15:19.01 | deltron | probably some cosmos mod, not sure, haven't used cosmos in years to tell you the truth |
| 15:19.26 | PfhorSlayer | I'm sure it's some cosmos mod (that was maybe disabling it before, but they took that functionality out or something) |
| 15:19.33 | PfhorSlayer | either way, I want those damned bars gone! :) |
| 15:19.51 | PfhorSlayer | I would imagine it's just a frame behind the world map frame, right? |
| 15:20.04 | Lopeppeppy | Were there new mods in this new update? That would be a key thing to look for. |
| 15:20.12 | PfhorSlayer | that's just black... so if I could figure out how to get at that frame, I could resize it or disable it or something like that |
| 15:20.30 | PfhorSlayer | I've gone through and turned off everything that I'm not using or wasn't using before |
| 15:21.22 | PfhorSlayer | there's a frame named WorldMapFrameAreaFrame |
| 15:21.37 | PfhorSlayer | that seems like it might be the cause, but I'm not sure how to get that frame |
| 15:22.11 | deltron | or he can start using cartographer :) |
| 15:22.28 | PfhorSlayer | (I've never done any sort of WoW scripting before, so I'm not sure about the API to get that frame. I looked at the API ref on the wiki page, but I didn't see anything like GetFrameNamed() or the like.) |
| 15:23.56 | PfhorSlayer | or, for that matter, how to resize or move it or hide it or anything to see if I've got the right one! |
| 15:24.06 | PfhorSlayer | is there a frame:SetAlpha() ? |
| 15:25.35 | PfhorSlayer | also, I'm just pasting this code into wow by doing /script <paste> |
| 15:25.41 | PfhorSlayer | which doesn't work when the map is open... |
| 15:33.39 | PfhorSlayer | holy crap, you're right |
| 15:33.48 | PfhorSlayer | I extracted the wow default UI files |
| 15:33.53 | PfhorSlayer | and there it is |
| 15:34.00 | PfhorSlayer | "--[[ Hide the world behind the map when we're in widescreen mode" |
| 15:34.06 | PfhorSlayer | however, it's commented out... |
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| 15:38.01 | PfhorSlayer | nice, got it |
| 15:38.05 | PfhorSlayer | BlackoutWorld:Hide() |
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| 15:54.32 | malreth | --> print(r==3) |
| 15:54.33 | batbot | malreth: false |
| 15:56.42 | matt1s | How do I get the report player frame to show without the default UI visible? |
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| 16:03.23 | |Jelly| | Morning, Cog |
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| 16:03.47 | cogwheel | Hai |Jelly| |
| 16:05.17 | cogwheel | how's the flaming going this AM? |
| 16:05.30 | |Jelly| | I dunno. I haven't really been posting lately. |
| 16:06.45 | Lopeppeppy | Nothing much for forum activity, nothing for |Jelly| to visit. |
| 16:06.56 | malreth | --> print(time() > t) |
| 16:06.56 | batbot | malreth: > [string "return print(time() > t)"]:1: attempt to call global 'time' (a nil value) |
| 16:07.03 | malreth | --> print(os.time() > t) |
| 16:07.03 | batbot | malreth: > [string "return print(os.time() > t)"]:1: attempt to compare nil with number |
| 16:07.09 | malreth | mm... |
| 16:07.39 | malreth | --> print(os.time() > (t or 0)) |
| 16:07.39 | batbot | malreth: true |
| 16:10.00 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, |Jelly|-dear. |
| 16:10.34 | |Jelly| | How are you? |
| 16:12.17 | malreth | LOPEPPEPPY!!! |
| 16:12.53 | cogwheel | So for our car that the 4 GNMRGN plates are coming off of, we decided to go with OMW HOME |
| 16:12.57 | Lopeppeppy | Heya, malreth. *hugs* |
| 16:13.06 | Lopeppeppy | I'm doin' okay, Jelly, thanks for askin'. |
| 16:13.07 | Cide | why are they coming off? :/ |
| 16:13.37 | cogwheel | Cide: to put on my new car! |
| 16:14.40 | Lopeppeppy | New car = hotter. |
| 16:14.54 | cogwheel | http://i1.tinypic.com/6pft2ms.jpg <---- hotter than 01 chrysler sebring |
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| 16:16.18 | Cide | cogwheel: ah :) |
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| 16:20.46 | malreth | cogwheel: grats on the new rare... it's even blue |
| 16:21.18 | cogwheel | \o/ |
| 16:21.22 | malreth | |Jelly|: for you -- http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3706991272&sid=1 |
| 16:22.03 | malreth | i have to go wake the better half... she has work to go to |
| 16:23.17 | Lopeppeppy | Poor Better Half. |
| 16:24.05 | malreth | poor me! she's a terror when she's half-asleep |
| 16:24.17 | malreth | a fist swinging angry mess of a woman |
| 16:25.04 | malreth | she is uncharacteristically unviolent today |
| 16:25.39 | zenzelezz | does she still have a pulse? |
| 16:25.51 | malreth | hmm... |
| 16:26.52 | malreth | zenzelezz: yes |
| 16:28.14 | malreth | cogwheel... always using his awesome macrosequence as the answer to everything |
| 16:28.35 | malreth | i wish i could write a MacroSequence and get a new car for it... |
| 16:28.42 | cogwheel | won't be awesome 'till the GUI's done imo |
| 16:28.58 | malreth | and another thing, these grapes suck! |
| 16:29.33 | cogwheel | Although you're not entirely off-base... I did technically get paid to write the first version since i use it as the example addon for the state header chapter ;) |
| 16:31.23 | malreth | actually, MacroSequence was my first thought when I read his problem |
| 16:32.20 | nevcairiel | MacroSequence is awesome without the GUI already |
| 16:32.27 | Lopeppeppy | Ah, he thinks that reset = time delay. *facepalm* |
| 16:32.47 | nevcairiel | my stressfull healing job on illidan is now a one button click fight |
| 16:33.03 | Lopeppeppy | What's your one button, nevcairiel? |
| 16:33.12 | |Jelly| | So I dunno who was awake last night, but I lol'd pretty hard last night when I got in an argument with my guild about how healbot doesn't auto down rank for you. :\ |
| 16:33.30 | nevcairiel | only for phase2, but i made a macro to keep all hots up on two tanks |
| 16:33.39 | malreth | Lopeppeppy: yes... but in this case reset *can* be a time delay |
| 16:34.02 | nevcairiel | that was quite complicated to time all hots and switch targets in between |
| 16:34.10 | nevcairiel | plus the occiasional potion and innervate |
| 16:34.48 | nevcairiel | now i just watch my global cooldown bar, and whenever its ready, i click :P |
| 16:36.27 | malreth | i miss zenzelezz |
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| 16:40.11 | malreth | yeah... so if /cast and /use are interchangeable for items and spells, why is there a /castsequence and not also a /usesequence? |
| 16:40.30 | malreth | i mean, i know that /castsequence works for both items and spells and all |
| 16:40.39 | malreth | but why have one and not also the other? |
| 16:40.58 | Cide | because /use is legacy |
| 16:41.09 | Cide | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:54.21 | malreth | why can't mages learn Conjure Meat? |
| 16:55.11 | Esamynn|Work | because they're vegans |
| 16:55.45 | Lopeppeppy | Meat would taint their arcane powers, turning them into.... priests or something. |
| 16:55.55 | Esamynn|Work | O_o |
| 16:56.12 | malreth | i don't want to be a priests... but i love meat! |
| 16:56.23 | Lopeppeppy | Can't be warlocks they turn into, because warlocks only eat souls.... |
| 16:56.38 | Esamynn|Work | malreth: Why can't Dwarves be Mages? (this is a joke, ask why) |
| 16:57.03 | Lopeppeppy | Why, Esamynn, why? Tell me why? |
| 16:57.05 | malreth | Esamynn|Work: whyyyyyyyyyyyy? |
| 16:57.19 | Esamynn|Work | Because they would demand "Conjure Ale" |
| 16:58.25 | Esamynn|Work | ack!, I have been disarmed! |
| 16:59.01 | Esamynn|Work | O_o |
| 16:59.12 | End | O_o just about covers it |
| 16:59.17 | Esamynn|Work | ~lart malreth |
| 16:59.17 | purl | executes killall -TERM malreth |
| 16:59.28 | Esamynn|Work | ~botsnack |
| 16:59.28 | purl | aw, gee, Esamynn|Work |
| 17:03.56 | Esamynn|Work | ahh, -TERM gives you 30 seconds before it sends SIGKILL 8) |
| 17:04.04 | Esamynn|Work | malreth: you are terminated :P |
| 17:04.42 | malreth | maybe mr. t is handy with computers! |
| 17:05.09 | Esamynn|Work | yah, and maybe you aren't Mr. T :P |
| 17:05.15 | malreth | oh snap! |
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| 17:07.15 | cogwheel | eek! |
| 17:07.18 | cogwheel | it's a Shirik |
| 17:07.24 | Shirik | =( |
| 17:07.48 | Esamynn|Work | oh, I just want to share: http://blizzcon2007.norganna.org/main.php/v/Saturday/Concert_In_Arena/L70ETC/MVI_0455.flv.html 8) |
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| 17:11.56 | Shirik | you know cogwheel you bring up an interesting point |
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| 17:12.15 | Shirik | technically all those people that have random one-line phrases macroed are also breaking the ToS |
| 17:12.40 | Esamynn|Work | really? |
| 17:12.43 | Esamynn|Work | I did not know that |
| 17:12.48 | nevcairiel | how is that? |
| 17:12.53 | Shirik | that's still "communicating with the other faction" |
| 17:13.04 | Shirik | the ToS makes no comment about doing it with an addon |
| 17:13.07 | Esamynn|Work | oh, THOSE one line phrases |
| 17:13.12 | nevcairiel | ah |
| 17:13.12 | Shirik | oh sorry |
| 17:13.18 | Shirik | yeah I didn't make it clear :P |
| 17:13.21 | malreth | Shirik: you are correct |
| 17:13.32 | nevcairiel | ai am d c p or what was it =P |
| 17:13.38 | malreth | and if a GM catches you, you'd get actioned |
| 17:13.58 | Shirik | yes that crap |
| 17:14.03 | Shirik | So if someone does it to me in arena after I lose.... |
| 17:14.04 | Shirik | nah I'm not mean |
| 17:14.08 | malreth | if the GM is doing his/her job |
| 17:14.13 | malreth | and if someone reports it, yah |
| 17:14.24 | nevcairiel | haha |
| 17:14.32 | malreth | i figure it's a bit like speeding |
| 17:14.42 | malreth | yah, it's against the law... but everyone does it anyway |
| 17:14.51 | malreth | some people get pulled over for it |
| 17:14.52 | Fisker- | Some guy in AV was being a bastard once |
| 17:14.56 | malreth | but you probably won't |
| 17:15.03 | Fisker- | kept saying "YOU FUCKING RETARDS DON'T DO THIS, DON'T DO THAT" |
| 17:15.05 | Fisker- | so i reported him |
| 17:15.12 | nevcairiel | i mean, there is even a page on some common terms for horde-alliance comm on some fan sites |
| 17:15.18 | nevcairiel | wonder if blizzard does know that :P |
| 17:15.21 | Fisker- | Then in some other AV he said i was a faggot because i got him banned |
| 17:15.22 | malreth | they know |
| 17:15.27 | Fisker- | then i reported him again |
| 17:15.32 | Fisker- | and never saw him again :( |
| 17:15.39 | Shirik | haha |
| 17:15.43 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 17:16.00 | malreth | Fisker-: some people... i know |
| 17:16.11 | Shirik | people like that deserve to leave |
| 17:16.17 | Shirik | this is why I love RF, you don't get those kinds of people |
| 17:16.25 | Fisker- | RF? |
| 17:16.41 | malreth | Rancher Farmer |
| 17:16.53 | malreth | Rodgering Filchers |
| 17:17.01 | Esamynn|Work | ~lart malreth |
| 17:17.01 | purl | wallops malreth with a main rotation server that needs rehubbing. It won't take long |
| 17:17.21 | malreth | Random Fondling |
| 17:17.29 | Shirik | RF Online. By no definitions is it easy :P |
| 17:17.45 | malreth | ~wiki RF Online |
| 17:18.10 | Shirik | yes, very useful purl thank you |
| 17:18.17 | nevcairiel | whats that? |
| 17:18.39 | Fisker- | some fail game |
| 17:19.17 | Shirik | Korean MMO |
| 17:19.24 | nevcairiel | probably really fail |
| 17:21.40 | Shirik | mmm, the game had a lot of potential |
| 17:21.42 | Shirik | the publisher destroyed it |
| 17:21.48 | Shirik | mmm, the game had a lot of potential |
| 17:22.20 | Shirik | yeah yeah |
| 17:22.27 | Shirik | find me a real internet plz thx |
| 17:23.12 | Shirik | I honestly think I could be doing better on dialup right now |
| 17:23.38 | Lopeppeppy | Still the Firefox-not-supported thing? |
| 17:23.59 | Shirik | yes that doesn't help |
| 17:24.20 | Shirik | HOLY CRAP |
| 17:24.27 | Lopeppeppy | Sweet jeebus pickles! |
| 17:24.29 | Shirik | wow, so we were getting ready to do a website redesign for our guild |
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| 17:24.40 | Shirik | So I tasked someone with creating a new design |
| 17:24.48 | Shirik | I thought he forgot about it but he just posted it... it's... wow. |
| 17:25.03 | Lopeppeppy | Nice. I'm glad it turned out good, because the "holy crap" could go either way. :P |
| 17:25.38 | Shirik | http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a299/Kotagg/home-1.jpg |
| 17:25.46 | Shirik | only thing I'm worried about is that it's a bit active |
| 17:25.51 | Shirik | which could be a problem |
| 17:26.16 | Lopeppeppy | How do you mean "active" in this sense? |
| 17:26.27 | deltron | lawl |
| 17:26.30 | Shirik | there's a lot going on in the middle of the screen |
| 17:26.47 | Shirik | of course a lorem ipsum would have helped |
| 17:26.57 | Shirik | so I can really see what it looks like |
| 17:27.03 | deltron | that site screams 'virgin' |
| 17:27.08 | Shirik | virgin? |
| 17:27.15 | deltron | lol the games and stuff |
| 17:27.28 | deltron | i'm just kidding heh |
| 17:27.59 | deltron | i'm lazy and use a theme someone else made for my site |
| 17:28.22 | Shirik | wow, bf2, and lotr :P |
| 17:28.31 | Shirik | nah we've designed all our themes ourself |
| 17:28.39 | Shirik | current design: http://www.guardianhq.com |
| 17:28.43 | Shirik | it's ok but it needs an update |
| 17:28.43 | deltron | using a cms or what? |
| 17:28.46 | Shirik | negative |
| 17:28.53 | Shirik | only thing made by someone else is IPB |
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| 17:30.29 | Shirik | the front page uses a custom SQL query to pull out news posts from a specific forum (along with hiding member-only news if you aren't logged in) |
| 17:30.58 | art3mis | does it make crumpets and jam as well? |
| 17:31.20 | Shirik | no but we're working on introducing a video gallery |
| 17:31.25 | Shirik | That's why we got the new server |
| 17:31.35 | Shirik | because bluehost was getting mad at us for using ffmpeg |
| 17:31.58 | art3mis | dreamhost isnt too bad |
| 17:32.08 | art3mis | been using them for about a month or so now |
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| 17:33.20 | Shirik | I haven't had problems with WHB. Bluehost we would go over out CPU limit a lot |
| 17:33.25 | Shirik | and the website would shut down temporarily |
| 17:33.34 | Shirik | actually haven't seen our site go down yet |
| 17:33.38 | Shirik | (since we've switched) |
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| 17:38.49 | Lopeppeppy | Have you asked your members to spam it to see how big a load it can take, Shirik? |
| 17:40.44 | Shirik | what, the current one? |
| 17:41.49 | Lopeppeppy | You said it hadn't gone down due to going over the limit yet. Yet implies a fun time testing the limit. :) |
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| 17:42.20 | Shirik | well we already have a pretty heavy load, let me check it |
| 17:42.42 | Lopeppeppy | I just like to push the Jolly Candylike Button, don't mind me.... |
| 17:43.15 | Shirik | this month the site has transmitted 12GB |
| 17:43.22 | Shirik | which is.... |
| 17:44.00 | nevcairiel | not much |
| 17:44.29 | Shirik | for a guild website that has very few pictures I consider it to be a decent amount :P |
| 17:45.10 | Shirik | 24k visits, 2.4m hits (not including robots) |
| 17:45.26 | Shirik | (160k hits from robots) |
| 17:45.43 | Shirik | >>> |
| 17:46.15 | Shirik | >>> 2400000 / 31 / 24 / 60 |
| 17:46.17 | Cide | Shirik: 53.763440860215 |
| 17:46.25 | Shirik | slightly under 1 hit per second |
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| 17:46.39 | nevcairiel | for some reason my LAN Partys website has a monthly traffic of 100gb, and we didnt even announce the next party yet |
| 17:46.40 | Shirik | and actually we haven't hit 31 days yet |
| 17:46.55 | Shirik | obviously it's poor design :P |
| 17:47.05 | Shirik | <3 |
| 17:47.35 | Shirik | when we start hosting videos this bandwith is going to skyrocket though |
| 17:47.43 | Shirik | might have to get an upgrade to our plan |
| 17:48.15 | Lopeppeppy | Good to think ahead. |
| 17:48.43 | Shirik | we only have a 100GB bandwith allotment :/ |
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| 17:52.16 | malreth | to put in perspective how difficult my fiancee is to wake up... |
| 17:52.27 | malreth | she's still not gotten out of bed |
| 17:53.09 | malreth | [10:22]<malreth>i have to go wake the better half... she has work to go to |
| 17:54.18 | Lopeppeppy | Um... what time is she due at work? |
| 17:54.40 | art3mis | around 7 or 8 when it's a bit darker out ;P |
| 17:54.42 | zenzelezz | if it persists, threaten to join her for some bedside "work" |
| 17:54.54 | Lopeppeppy | "As long as you're still in bed, baby, why not...." |
| 17:57.29 | malreth | Lopeppeppy: i try that but it no work... :( |
| 17:57.57 | Shirik | I can honestly say I've never done this intentionally before: GameTooltip:SetScript("OnShow", GameTooltip.Show); |
| 17:57.58 | malreth | she's finally up... the bladder compels her... |
| 17:58.16 | nevcairiel | Shirik: whats that supposed to do o.O |
| 17:58.23 | Shirik | hide the tootip on show :) |
| 17:58.25 | malreth | gives me time to prepare her lunch... |
| 17:58.36 | malreth | speaking of which... time to eat |
| 17:58.38 | nevcairiel | Shirik: you call Show in OnShow .. how does it hide? |
| 17:58.42 | Shirik | GameTooltip.Show = function() GameTooltip:Hide() end; GameTooltip:SetScript("OnHide", nil); GameTooltip:SetScript("OnShow", GameTooltip.Show); |
| 17:58.45 | Lopeppeppy | I know what I'd make for lunch, but I'm a nympho with no outlet so I'm biased. |
| 17:58.47 | nevcairiel | ah. |
| 17:59.29 | nevcairiel | you overwrite :Show too :P |
| 17:59.47 | nevcairiel | bad taint, bad! |
| 18:00.11 | Lopeppeppy | Urban legend? Yeti? Loch Ness Monster? Or real live space alien? http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3709651483&sid=1 |
| 18:00.25 | Shirik | it shouldn't have a major impact |
| 18:00.41 | Shirik | it shouldn't have a major impact |
| 18:00.45 | Shirik | I don't see why tainting that would be an issue |
| 18:00.49 | Xinhuan | doesn't that cause it to infinite loop |
| 18:01.00 | nevcairiel | nah he overwrites :Show .. |
| 18:01.01 | Xinhuan | OnShow calls :Show() |
| 18:01.12 | Xinhuan | ah |
| 18:01.19 | Shirik | my understanding is that calling :Show() does not cause OnShow to be fired |
| 18:01.20 | Xinhuan | how do you get it to show then |
| 18:01.25 | Shirik | it's the actual show-"ing" that does it |
| 18:01.26 | Shirik | you don't |
| 18:01.27 | nevcairiel | but i dont see why GameTooltip:SetScript("OnShow", GameTooltip.Hide) isnt enough |
| 18:01.28 | Shirik | that's the point :P |
| 18:01.43 | Shirik | nevcairiel: well first problem is that you need to call GameTooltip:Hide() |
| 18:01.50 | Shirik | not GameTooltip.Hide() |
| 18:02.05 | nevcairiel | doesnt the OnShow pass the frame as first parameter? |
| 18:02.09 | Shirik | and second is that I had already overwritten SHow() |
| 18:02.14 | Shirik | does it? |
| 18:02.22 | Shirik | I wasn't sure, I wrote this is about 10 seconds for someone on the forums |
| 18:02.24 | nevcairiel | i thought all script handlers do |
| 18:02.36 | Xinhuan | why wuld you want to override show anyway |
| 18:02.51 | Xinhuan | and you could just do GameTooltip.Show = GameTooltip.Hide |
| 18:02.58 | Xinhuan | that's way simpler |
| 18:03.13 | Shirik | that would be just as much of a taint |
| 18:03.21 | nevcairiel | one could still do frame1.Show(GameTooltip) to trick you =P |
| 18:03.30 | Shirik | and yes they could, but they don't :) |
| 18:03.35 | Xinhuan | heh |
| 18:03.43 | Shirik | point is he just wanted tooltips gone |
| 18:03.46 | Shirik | so I gave him a way |
| 18:03.54 | Xinhuan | Or you can override the :SetOwner() function |
| 18:04.03 | Xinhuan | since any tooltip without a owner cannot be shown/used |
| 18:04.12 | Shirik | I was worried about these tricks |
| 18:04.22 | Shirik | because I didn't know precisely how Blizzard uses GameTooltip |
| 18:04.29 | nevcairiel | i guess shiriks way works for the forum users =P |
| 18:04.30 | Shirik | the easiest way to do it, and most obvious, was to force it to hide |
| 18:04.36 | Xinhuan | blizzard uses it on mouseover of 3d objects |
| 18:04.46 | Shirik | I wasn't concerned of taint, etc at the time |
| 18:05.06 | Shirik | oh od |
| 18:05.10 | Shirik | god* the response |
| 18:05.12 | Shirik | "Hmmm... wasn't expecting a script. Dumb question: Where do I enter this script? " |
| 18:05.54 | Xinhuan | GameTooltip:HookScript("OnShow", GameTooltip.Hide) <-- isn't this safer and doesn't taint? |
| 18:06.23 | Shirik | yes but I was worried about this doing a ton of processing or forcing it into an infinite loop |
| 18:06.35 | Shirik | the former is more likely than the latter, but the latter is possible |
| 18:08.01 | Xinhuan | uh showing the tooltip then hiding it isn't going to cause any extra processing it isn't already doing ;p |
| 18:09.37 | Shirik | what if, let's say for example, there were an OnUpdate script to check to see if it should hide or show |
| 18:10.01 | Shirik | this would cause it to show and then hide again on every frame |
| 18:11.11 | Shirik | the best way to avoid this would be to force Show to do nothing :) |
| 18:13.19 | Shirik | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3707961577&postId=36865693828&sid=1#1 |
| 18:18.38 | foxlit | :gmatch vs match and iterate, performance-wise? |
| 18:19.14 | Shirik | I doubt gmatch would be slower otherwise it wouldn't exist... |
| 18:24.10 | Cide | different functionality |
| 18:24.16 | Cide | gmatch creates a function closure |
| 18:26.10 | Shirik | and match iterates over the entire string every time |
| 18:26.37 | Shirik | gmatch likely has optimizations that match can't have |
| 18:27.24 | Shirik | except of course, if there's only one match |
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| 18:32.43 | Shirik | ~lart Esamynn|Work |
| 18:32.43 | purl | blames Esamynn|Work for all the evil in the world |
| 18:32.46 | Fisker- | your mother |
| 18:33.04 | Esamynn|Work | ~cheeseslap Shirik |
| 18:33.05 | purl | ACTION slaps Shirik around with a piece of rocquefort |
| 18:33.31 | Shirik | Okay so I'm watching this show |
| 18:33.42 | Shirik | and they keep mispronouncing "Guiness" |
| 18:33.51 | Shirik | At first I thought it was a joke as it's a comedy |
| 18:34.01 | Shirik | but now they've done it every time so far with 3 different people... |
| 18:34.08 | Shirik | ~dict Guiness |
| 18:34.29 | Esamynn|Work | ~fail |
| 18:34.30 | purl | ACTION gives esamynn|work the worst grade imaginable, an A minus... minus! |
| 18:34.34 | zenzelezz | ~dict guinness |
| 18:34.44 | Esamynn|Work | ~fail purl |
| 18:34.45 | purl | purl: Fail. |
| 18:35.24 | Shirik | aha |
| 18:35.26 | Shirik | Because they're not saying "Guinness" |
| 18:35.38 | Esamynn|Work | lol |
| 18:35.38 | Xinhuan | http://img443.imageshack.us/my.php?image=juffyuu4.jpg |
| 18:35.40 | Xinhuan | hahahaha |
| 18:35.48 | Shirik | They just showed the book, it's "Jonas book of world records" probably due to trademark laws |
| 18:36.00 | Xinhuan | pretty good screenshot there |
| 18:36.43 | Esamynn|Work | Xinhuan: lol |
| 18:37.08 | Esamynn|Work | why did you ask what his pummel key is? |
| 18:37.18 | Xinhuan | i didn't make that SS |
| 18:37.23 | Esamynn|Work | oh |
| 18:37.25 | Esamynn|Work | :( |
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| 18:37.42 | Esamynn|Work | ~fail Xinhuan |
| 18:37.42 | purl | Xinhuan: Fail. |
| 18:37.48 | Lopeppeppy | My guess is you ask that to see if it's on their hotbar at all, if they use a macro, etc.... |
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| 18:38.12 | Xinhuan | its from this thread |
| 18:38.13 | Xinhuan | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3547880169&sid=1 |
| 18:38.14 | Lopeppeppy | My standard paladin question is "how do you cleanse", you learn a lot about a paladin from that. |
| 18:41.14 | Fisker- | w he's dissing my clicque |
| 18:41.16 | Fisker- | clique* |
| 18:41.47 | Fisker- | lol wtf |
| 18:41.50 | Fisker- | hahahaha |
| 18:41.52 | Esamynn|Work | lol |
| 18:42.44 | Fisker- | http://i9.tinypic.com/8b4r5zp.jpg |
| 18:42.46 | Fisker- | DO NOT WANT |
| 18:43.47 | Fisker- | wtf |
| 18:43.50 | Fisker- | they keep coming |
| 18:43.54 | Fisker- | now there's 7 |
| 18:43.59 | Lopeppeppy | Looks like the makings of a good party there, Fisker, you should totally /ginvite |
| 18:46.16 | Fisker- | the weird thing is they used teleport hack |
| 18:46.28 | Fisker- | but they seem to not work that well |
| 18:46.33 | Fisker- | they're not moving or spamming :o |
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| 18:53.53 | malreth | you're always right, cogwheel. how can you always be right? |
| 18:54.03 | nevcairiel | he isnt |
| 18:54.10 | nevcairiel | he just makes you believe he is |
| 18:54.15 | End | he has big feet for a gnome, that's how |
| 18:54.51 | Lopeppeppy | Big feet means.... big shoes! |
| 18:55.10 | art3mis | laugh that warcraft dell comes with WotLK beta keys ;P |
| 18:55.30 | art3mis | for 4k i should hope so since it's gawdy as hell |
| 18:56.38 | nevcairiel | lol |
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| 19:16.34 | kd3 | heh at today's penny-arcade |
| 19:16.46 | Esamynn|Work | art3mis: what I can't believe is that it ALSO comes with account "Upgrade" keys |
| 19:16.53 | Esamynn|Work | that astounded me |
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| 19:24.32 | Lopeppeppy | Hello Kitty for Boys... http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071228/ap_on_fe_st/japan_hello_kitty_for_men;_ylt=Au.5nBgQeCVN_s2gG6zyip2s0NUE |
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| 19:26.42 | nevcairiel | rofl |
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| 19:32.35 | Lopeppeppy | New design ideas for art3mis. |
| 19:33.23 | matt1s | is it possible to log combatlog to file |
| 19:33.25 | matt1s | ? |
| 19:34.42 | nevcairiel | sure |
| 19:34.46 | nevcairiel | type /combatlog |
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| 19:43.10 | art3mis | laugh |
| 19:43.17 | art3mis | hkui is meant to be pink |
| 19:43.26 | art3mis | putting a blue bow on it doesnt make it "for boys" ;) |
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| 19:50.58 | Furl | O Shirik! |
| 19:51.47 | Shirik | ? |
| 19:52.08 | Shirik | |pez|: I feel sorry for you |
| 19:52.11 | Shirik | Furl: Sup |
| 19:52.20 | Furl | Updating RF O... Har |
| 19:52.29 | Furl | Finally got the bloody thing downloaded. |
| 19:52.42 | Shirik | shouldn't take too long |
| 19:52.46 | Furl | No |
| 19:53.01 | Shirik | if you downloaded the Ep 2 version then the only thin they've changes is the splash screens |
| 19:53.05 | Furl | First time I've seen an mmo use nvidia texture files |
| 19:53.06 | Shirik | because they had the wrong trademark, lol |
| 19:53.11 | Furl | Lol! |
| 19:53.26 | Shirik | I wish I could log on to show you the ropes |
| 19:53.36 | Furl | I'll figure out. |
| 19:53.41 | Shirik | unfortunately I probably can't log on until the 1st |
| 19:53.42 | Shirik | you probably won't |
| 19:53.42 | Furl | [Likely not] |
| 19:53.51 | Shirik | so I'll give you these tips |
| 19:53.58 | Shirik | push H to change to WASD mode |
| 19:54.13 | Shirik | push B to open buddy list, push I to open inventory and character screen |
| 19:54.15 | Furl | Silly koreansd |
| 19:54.16 | Shirik | push C to open stats |
| 19:54.19 | Shirik | that should be about all you need |
| 19:54.27 | Shirik | if you don't push H you can point-and-click to move |
| 19:54.32 | Furl | Haha |
| 19:54.39 | Shirik | What class are you going for? |
| 19:55.03 | Shirik | and race for that matter |
| 19:55.13 | Furl | Bellatean caster type-a |
| 19:55.35 | Shirik | type-a? |
| 19:55.44 | Shirik | You're probably reading one of the korean strategy sites :P |
| 19:55.46 | Shirik | dps? |
| 19:55.52 | Furl | type (with an 'a' sond attached) |
| 19:56.05 | Furl | Makes it frenchified |
| 19:56.12 | Shirik | well anyway, in keyboard mode, push F to open your force skills |
| 19:56.27 | Shirik | you can then left click it and then move it to the hotbar |
| 19:56.44 | Shirik | \ switches between the F keys (F1, F2) and number keys (1, 2) for hotbar keybinds |
| 19:57.09 | Shirik | you can also right click on them to cast |
| 19:57.27 | Shirik | since you'll probably have something on the order of 15 different attacks, 10 different debuffs, that will likely be easier than using keys in the future |
| 19:57.37 | Shirik | but to start off with, you'll pretty much only have 4 attacks |
| 19:57.49 | Shirik | don't forget to get range and melee skill up to around 20 PT also |
| 19:58.01 | Shirik | a general rule is up until lv 20 try to keep all your skills capped |
| 19:58.06 | Shirik | Confused yet? |
| 19:58.28 | nevcairiel | that fail korean game again? |
| 19:58.50 | Shirik | oh, chat. /Map to talk in what is essentially general. /Guild for guild chat, /Party for party, case sensitive |
| 19:59.04 | Shirik | and /Name for whispers where Name is the person's name |
| 19:59.10 | nevcairiel | case sensitve? |
| 19:59.16 | nevcairiel | thats gotta suck to type :D |
| 19:59.37 | Shirik | they used to have /m /g and /p but after ep 2 it looks like they included a regression that took it out again |
| 19:59.44 | Shirik | oh well |
| 19:59.48 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 20:00.03 | Furl | Ugggggggh |
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| 20:00.15 | Furl | I'll just not talk. |
| 20:00.19 | Furl | But anyway |
| 20:00.21 | Shirik | rofl |
| 20:00.23 | Shirik | eventually you'll have to :) |
| 20:00.26 | Furl | Automatically set to 1024x768 X( |
| 20:00.35 | Shirik | you adjust that in the launcher |
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| 20:00.42 | Shirik | click the setup button |
| 20:01.33 | Furl | Quick question |
| 20:01.45 | Furl | Why does every bellatean male lok like an undergrown belf? |
| 20:01.56 | Shirik | It used to be if you had a specific type of enchant succeed everyone in your race would crash out of the game. They fixed that though, but it was amusing |
| 20:02.03 | Shirik | nevcairiel: You don't even know the beginnings of the problems with the game :) |
| 20:02.15 | nevcairiel | and you still play it? |
| 20:02.16 | Shirik | Furl: welcome to bellato :) |
| 20:02.25 | Shirik | nevcairiel: the game is pretty fun, even with its problems |
| 20:02.32 | Shirik | but it's for a very particular type of player |
| 20:02.40 | Shirik | I just love the pvp in it |
| 20:02.44 | nevcairiel | I'll entertain myself with more coding |
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| 20:03.27 | Fumler | is there any addon which shows if im in same bg as a guildie or friend? |
| 20:04.42 | Furl | Shirik: Eurgh, tut is annoying as $!@#$ |
| 20:04.55 | Shirik | Furl: I tend to skip it |
| 20:05.02 | Shirik | Fumler: RDX.Cid does accidentally |
| 20:05.29 | Fumler | accidentally? :p |
| 20:05.31 | Shirik | there's a bug in it such that it only shows known players from your server |
| 20:05.42 | Fumler | oh |
| 20:05.45 | Shirik | everyone else comes up as a black box |
| 20:05.49 | nevcairiel | rofl |
| 20:05.50 | wereHamster | is that really a 'bug'? |
| 20:05.56 | wereHamster | oh.. |
| 20:06.01 | Shirik | yes :P But one I haven't bothered to fix |
| 20:06.03 | Fumler | so I can only see ppl from my own server? |
| 20:06.04 | Fumler | lol |
| 20:06.30 | Shirik | with conspiracy coming out I haven't bothered to fix the problem |
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| 20:11.32 | Shirik | you know what I'm going to try installing it and see what happens if I try to run it on this crappy network |
| 20:11.34 | Shirik | this should be amusing |
| 20:11.48 | Furl | Where do I go to kill stuff? |
| 20:12.06 | Shirik | you should need to kill flems, they'll be right there |
| 20:12.11 | Shirik | look for a path on the ground |
| 20:12.19 | Shirik | there's only one way out of HQ |
| 20:13.25 | Shirik | if you describe where you are maybe I can tell you which way to go |
| 20:18.22 | foxlit | Grumble |
| 20:18.22 | foxlit | <item revid="1090621" pageid="127868" oldid="1078523" timestamp="2007-12-28T09:54:43Z" comment="Redirecting to [[WoWWiki:Sandbox/1]]" ns="4" title="WoWWiki:Sandbox/3" /> |
| 20:18.31 | foxlit | Wonder what the easiest way to parse that is |
| 20:20.29 | MentalPower | I'd say break by = sign |
| 20:20.37 | MentalPower | then parse the pieces individually |
| 20:20.39 | foxlit | It may appear in fields ocassionally |
| 20:21.02 | MentalPower | do you need to parse the whole thing? |
| 20:21.02 | foxlit | Currently thinking of list:gmatch("<item .- />"); |
| 20:22.28 | Furl | How to kill stuff? |
| 20:22.33 | Furl | Aww. |
| 20:22.37 | Furl | lol |
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| 20:24.08 | Shirik | ok mr. furl |
| 20:24.12 | Shirik | wtf did you do to my computer >< |
| 20:24.24 | foxlit | 0* |
| 20:24.27 | zenzelezz | <Furl> How to kill stuff? |
| 20:24.27 | zenzelezz | <<< Shirik has quit ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") |
| 20:24.38 | Shirik | he killed me |
| 20:24.47 | foxlit | MP: No, I was thinking more of pulling certain pieces out |
| 20:25.16 | foxlit | Internet censorship prevents Shirik from teaching you how to kill stuff |
| 20:25.41 | Shirik | Furl: still there? |
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| 20:31.01 | |pez| | .. I knew I was hot (or atleast my boyfriend keeps telling me this when I whine about something about myself) but damn, even my showercurtains want me! |
| 20:31.37 | Shirik | ... |
| 20:31.38 | zenzelezz | SS or it didn't happen |
| 20:31.41 | Shirik | agree |
| 20:32.04 | |pez| | :P |
| 20:32.26 | |pez| | XD |
| 20:32.51 | |pez| | In reality though, I think I'll blame a abnormal electrical current I get from sitting in the sofa sometimes. |
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| 20:33.39 | Shirik | hm, that shouldn't be it tbh |
| 20:33.51 | Shirik | I assume your bathroom floor is tile like most |
| 20:33.54 | Shirik | not carpeted |
| 20:34.03 | |pez| | Yes |
| 20:34.15 | Shirik | this means you should hae grounded yourself when you walked in the bathroom barefoot (assuming you don't take a shower with shoes on) |
| 20:34.25 | Shirik | It is more likely that the curtain for some reason has built up a charge |
| 20:34.36 | |pez| | still weird though, since it *never* happens to the boyfriend. |
| 20:34.43 | Shirik | obviously he's not attractive |
| 20:35.10 | |pez| | The shower curtains want to let go of their charge on me? ;P |
| 20:35.25 | Shirik | Anyway, does he leave towels hanging over the curtain bar? |
| 20:35.56 | |pez| | We do sometimes. |
| 20:36.10 | Shirik | ah you both do |
| 20:36.18 | Shirik | wierd then :P Unless he takes a shower before you always |
| 20:36.22 | |pez| | but it still only affects me, even when we shower together. |
| 20:36.27 | foxlit | content:gmatch("<item(.-)/>") |
| 20:36.36 | foxlit | "invalid pattern capture" |
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| 20:37.00 | Shirik | try escaping the < > |
| 20:37.10 | foxlit | But they aren't used for anything? |
| 20:37.16 | Shirik | --> string.gmatch("test", "<item(.-)/>") |
| 20:37.17 | batbot | Shirik: > function: 0x81ca500 |
| 20:37.19 | Shirik | o.o |
| 20:37.25 | Shirik | are you sure you did it right? :P |
| 20:37.55 | Shirik | Furl! What's your in-game name! |
| 20:37.58 | foxlit | If I did it right, it wouldn't be complaining at me |
| 20:38.12 | Shirik | what string are you testing? |
| 20:38.31 | foxlit | longish jungle of matching patterns |
| 20:38.32 | Shirik | oh looks like the wowarmory xml |
| 20:38.43 | foxlit | It's not, in this case |
| 20:38.45 | Shirik | h |
| 20:38.46 | Shirik | ah |
| 20:39.17 | Shirik | string.gmatch("<itempowjaefpajwefa#@(*F23S/>", "<item(.-)/>") |
| 20:39.21 | Shirik | >>^ |
| 20:39.21 | Cide | Shirik: function: 007D7268 |
| 20:39.33 | Shirik | Are you really sure you typed it correctly? |
| 20:40.00 | Shirik | the pattern looks ok to me |
| 20:40.46 | foxlit | I might've misread the line number :) |
| 20:40.58 | Shirik | haha |
| 20:41.13 | Shirik | win. |
| 20:41.45 | Shirik | what was the real pattern? |
| 20:41.47 | foxlit | It's actually not liking comment:gsub("/%*.-%*/)","") |
| 20:42.07 | foxlit | which is okay, since ) is not supposed to be there |
| 20:42.07 | Shirik | the ) |
| 20:42.30 | Shirik | it's nice that Lua does these things, tell you the problem |
| 20:42.38 | Shirik | instead of my experience in C where it just follows it best it can |
| 20:42.49 | Shirik | which leads to tons of fun with trying to figure out where the problem is |
| 20:42.56 | Shirik | that was the #1 reason for me to get regexbuddy |
| 20:44.49 | Shirik | sigh *patch in progress* stupid loading screens |
| 20:44.54 | Shirik | seriously why do you need 140 loading screens |
| 20:45.46 | wereHamster | to display all the ads? |
| 20:45.50 | Shirik | no ads |
| 20:45.53 | Shirik | just random artwork, etc |
| 20:46.00 | Shirik | concept art, fan art |
| 20:49.36 | foxlit | What's the string format syntax to specify the number of the argument you wish to insert? |
| 20:49.47 | Esamynn|Work | greetings mortals, I hereby demand that you entertain me! 8) |
| 20:49.49 | Shirik | string.rep |
| 20:49.50 | foxlit | (It's possible to reorder them in the format string) |
| 20:50.02 | foxlit | I don't want to repeat anything :) |
| 20:50.07 | Shirik | there isn't a {n} if that's what you're asking |
| 20:50.25 | foxlit | ("%s %s"):format("world", "Hello"); -- fix the format string, not the argument order |
| 20:50.55 | Shirik | I don't think that exists |
| 20:51.00 | Shirik | I'm not even aware of that in C |
| 20:51.01 | wereHamster | it does |
| 20:51.03 | Cide | >>> ("%$2s %$1s" ):format("world", "Hello") |
| 20:51.07 | Shirik | oh that's fun |
| 20:51.08 | Cide | something like that anyway! |
| 20:51.24 | foxlit | I would phrase things differently if I haven't used it before :) |
| 20:51.28 | Cide | >>> ("%2$s %1$s" ):format("world", "Hello") |
| 20:51.28 | Cide | Cide: "Hello world" |
| 20:51.30 | Cide | there |
| 20:51.41 | Shirik | that's interesting |
| 20:51.53 | Cide | useful for localization |
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| 20:52.35 | Esamynn|Work | or just ignore me :P |
| 20:52.50 | Cide | Esamynn|Work: </entertainment> |
| 20:52.53 | Cide | sorry. |
| 20:52.57 | foxlit | <entertainment /> |
| 20:53.08 | Esamynn|Work | yay! =D |
| 20:53.15 | Cide | ended that quickly, eh? :P |
| 20:53.35 | Esamynn|Work | lol |
| 20:53.36 | Shirik | <entertainment><![[CDATA |
| 20:53.46 | foxlit | ffs |
| 20:54.04 | foxlit | Now we're in some sort of weird escape syntax that you can't get out of without arcane magic |
| 20:54.11 | Shirik | wheeee |
| 20:54.22 | Esamynn|Work | I have determined that working the Friday before New Year's is the pits :( |
| 20:55.15 | Cide | could've been worse |
| 20:55.26 | Cide | you could've worked the two fridays before new year's, AND new year's eve itself |
| 20:56.10 | Shirik | yey I somehow managed to get into RF on this horrible network |
| 20:56.13 | Shirik | how long until I get DCed? |
| 20:56.37 | Cide | you are already dc'd |
| 20:56.47 | Cide | the network is just too slow for you to have noticed yet |
| 20:57.22 | Shirik | no I'm talking to people in guild chat |
| 20:57.46 | Cide | that's what YOU think |
| 20:57.55 | foxlit | lua doesn't lock tables when you iterate, right? |
| 20:58.00 | Cide | no |
| 20:58.05 | Shirik | it doesn't, but it could cause some bad things to happen |
| 20:58.10 | Shirik | if you try to manipulate the table while iterating over it |
| 20:58.23 | Cide | actually, some iterations are fine |
| 20:58.34 | Shirik | I mean pairs |
| 20:58.35 | foxlit | It's more of a find-an-entry-and-remove-it than find-an-entry-and-keep-lookng |
| 20:58.42 | Shirik | with table.remove? |
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| 20:58.45 | foxlit | yes |
| 20:58.46 | Cide | pairs and removing elements still guarantees that you iterate over all of them, I think? |
| 20:59.01 | Cide | I'm prolly thinking of add though |
| 20:59.08 | Shirik | Cide: If you do it incorrectly, pairs will throw an error on the next iteration |
| 20:59.17 | Shirik | That was a problem I encountered for a while |
| 20:59.22 | Shirik | foxlit: ipairs or pairs? |
| 20:59.35 | foxlit | pairs, though it doesn't matter |
| 20:59.37 | foxlit | It's an array |
| 20:59.42 | foxlit | I may as well be using for |
| 21:00.10 | Cide | usually easier to use your own iteration routine or a secondary table in that case |
| 21:00.28 | Shirik | >>> t = {1,2,3,4,5,6}; for k,v in ipairs(t) do table.remove(v) end |
| 21:00.32 | foxlit | But once again, I don't need to continue iterating once I've found an entry |
| 21:00.44 | Shirik | >>> t = {1,2,3,4,5,6}; for k,v in ipairs(t) do table.remove(t, k) end |
| 21:00.45 | Cide | Shirik: nil |
| 21:00.54 | Shirik | >>> t = {1,2,3,4,5,6}; for k,v in pairs(t) do table.remove(t, k) end |
| 21:00.55 | Cide | Shirik: nil |
| 21:00.59 | Cide | way to return stuff :P |
| 21:01.04 | foxlit | >>> t = {1,2,3,4,5,6}; for k,v in pairs(t) do table.remove(t, k) print(k); end |
| 21:01.05 | Cide | foxlit: 1, 2, 3 |
| 21:01.06 | Shirik | not realy concerned with that |
| 21:01.11 | Shirik | I want to see the error that I was getting |
| 21:01.16 | Shirik | where pairs() threw an error |
| 21:01.20 | Shirik | well not pairs |
| 21:01.22 | Cide | I don't think it does |
| 21:01.23 | Shirik | but the iterator |
| 21:01.27 | Shirik | I've had it happen >< |
| 21:01.31 | Cide | then you failll |
| 21:01.33 | Cide | imo |
| 21:01.48 | foxlit | >>> t = {1,2,3,4,5,6}; for k,v in pairs(t) do table.remove(t, k) print(k); end print(t); |
| 21:01.48 | Cide | foxlit: 1, 2, 3, { 2, 4, 6 } (#1) |
| 21:01.53 | Shirik | Conspiracy had that bug for a while |
| 21:02.00 | Shirik | I had to do some hacks to get around that |
| 21:02.04 | Shirik | because of the way it was leaning up |
| 21:02.06 | Shirik | cleaning*( |
| 21:02.32 | Shirik | Furl!! |
| 21:02.36 | Shirik | Where are you, I logged in! |
| 21:03.13 | Shirik | I want to see how hard I can hit you |
| 21:04.27 | Esamynn|Work | why the hell would you use table.remove with pairs() ??? |
| 21:04.42 | Shirik | well I didn't |
| 21:04.46 | Shirik | but it's what foxlit said |
| 21:05.11 | foxlit | Because there's no removebyvalue |
| 21:05.20 | Esamynn|Work | I'm not even going to start |
| 21:05.28 | Shirik | foxlit: I would use a for loop |
| 21:05.42 | Shirik | problem is you can't change the iterator mid-loop |
| 21:05.48 | Shirik | er, counter |
| 21:05.52 | foxlit | I don't know if you've been paying attention |
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| 21:05.56 | foxlit | I've mentioned it several times already |
| 21:06.01 | Esamynn|Work | t = {1,2,3,4,5,6}; for k,v in pairs(t) do t[k]=nil print(k); end print(t); |
| 21:06.04 | Shirik | Yeah I know |
| 21:06.05 | foxlit | I don't want to continue iterating once I've found the element I want to remove |
| 21:06.09 | Shirik | I was just commenting on it |
| 21:06.12 | foxlit | :) |
| 21:06.16 | Cide | Shirik: so while loop + custom iterator :P |
| 21:06.44 | Esamynn|Work | what's wrong with break ? |
| 21:06.52 | Cide | nothing? |
| 21:06.56 | foxlit | nothing. |
| 21:07.03 | Shirik | According to one professor I know of, it's "Evil" |
| 21:07.09 | Shirik | though this professor also advocates goto |
| 21:07.10 | Esamynn|Work | O_o |
| 21:07.12 | Shirik | so I stopped listening to him |
| 21:07.16 | Esamynn|Work | yah |
| 21:07.18 | Shirik | break and coninue are supposedly evil |
| 21:07.19 | Cide | break == goto though? :P |
| 21:07.35 | Esamynn|Work | goto has one valid use as far as I am concerned |
| 21:07.46 | Shirik | I have only ever advocated goto once |
| 21:07.46 | Esamynn|Work | and that is to cleanly break out of a nested loop |
| 21:07.59 | Shirik | and that's because the guy was recursively calling main() to restart the program |
| 21:08.01 | Cide | agreed |
| 21:08.12 | Shirik | so rather than try to get a better way for him to get it to work, I just told him to use goto |
| 21:08.24 | Esamynn|Work | goto is not EVIL in and of itself, it is just generally used in EVIL ways ;) |
| 21:08.52 | foxlit | Language quiz time |
| 21:09.10 | foxlit | Which language takes an argument to break, allowing you to specify how many levels of loops you want to break out of? |
| 21:09.35 | Cide | break as a function? that's an interesting concept |
| 21:09.45 | Cide | or is it just a statement that takes an argument? |
| 21:09.53 | foxlit | the latter |
| 21:09.56 | Cide | (no idea in any case) |
| 21:10.01 | Esamynn|Work | I have no idea what language does that, but I like it |
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| 21:10.09 | Shirik | wait wait |
| 21:10.19 | Cide | I'm not sure I like it |
| 21:10.26 | Esamynn|Work | oh? |
| 21:10.36 | Cide | it'd be easy to mess up if you change the code |
| 21:10.46 | Cide | but I suppose that's true for other things as well |
| 21:10.50 | Esamynn|Work | cleaner than using a goto though |
| 21:10.58 | Cide | not really imo |
| 21:11.04 | Esamynn|Work | oh, wait, nm |
| 21:11.08 | Shirik | PHP |
| 21:11.10 | Shirik | like I thought it was |
| 21:11.13 | Shirik | I just wanted to double check |
| 21:11.27 | Esamynn|Work | yah, actually, a goto might still be the better choice |
| 21:12.40 | buu | Lots of languages allow for arguments to the loop control statements. |
| 21:13.13 | foxlit | Throw some examples out :) |
| 21:13.20 | Cide | I personally wish lua had continue |
| 21:13.23 | Shirik | so foxlit was I right? |
| 21:13.34 | foxlit | Shirik: if it says so in the docs :) |
| 21:13.35 | Cide | enclosing the whole loop body in a huge if is ugly |
| 21:13.36 | Shirik | at least was that the one you were thinking? |
| 21:13.42 | foxlit | (yes, that's the one I was thinking of) |
| 21:13.58 | Shirik | I think I overuse continue really |
| 21:14.18 | Shirik | I'm frequently getting comments like "what is continue?" |
| 21:14.21 | Shirik | I also overuse ?: |
| 21:14.34 | foxlit | ?: = best overuse of operators ever |
| 21:14.36 | Cide | Shirik: "what is continue?" "RTFM" |
| 21:14.40 | foxlit | Legibility goes to hell |
| 21:14.41 | Cide | simple answer |
| 21:14.55 | Shirik | foxlit: My uses of ?: are never over the top |
| 21:14.59 | Shirik | it's usually a very simple thing |
| 21:15.07 | Shirik | Anything more should be done with an if/else |
| 21:15.08 | Cide | true?false:true |
| 21:15.09 | Cide | ftw |
| 21:15.17 | Shirik | here let me find a recent example |
| 21:15.20 | Esamynn|Work | ~lart Cid |
| 21:15.20 | purl | cuts off Cid's head with a halberd that could have been a little bit sharper |
| 21:15.21 | Esamynn|Work | ~lart Cide |
| 21:15.22 | purl | does a little 'dpkg -P Cide' action |
| 21:15.22 | Shirik | I think I have it in my serial driver somewhere |
| 21:16.34 | Shirik | unsigned char pulse = (unsigned char)(127 + (unsigned int)(speed * 126.0 * (clockwise?1:-1))); |
| 21:16.38 | Shirik | is that unreadable? |
| 21:16.41 | Shirik | (sorry about all the casting) |
| 21:17.32 | Cide | that's fine imo |
| 21:17.36 | Cide | nice MAGIC CONSTANT though |
| 21:17.45 | Shirik | magic constant? |
| 21:17.49 | Cide | 126.0? |
| 21:17.49 | foxlit | 126.0 |
| 21:18.04 | Shirik | ~wiki magic constant |
| 21:18.13 | Shirik | ok no |
| 21:18.25 | Cide | as in |
| 21:19.02 | Cide | a "const float PULSE_SPEED_RATIO = 126.0" or "#define PULSE_SPEED_RATIO 126.0" or whatever would explain what it does better :P |
| 21:19.03 | Esamynn|Work | Shirik: I would have said that was a good use of ?: |
| 21:19.27 | Shirik | well here's the wierd thing |
| 21:19.33 | Shirik | I don't know why it's supposed to be 126.0, it just works. |
| 21:19.40 | Cide | ha, see! |
| 21:19.47 | Shirik | speed is a value from 0 to 1 indicating stopped to max speed |
| 21:19.49 | Cide | magic constants ftw |
| 21:20.00 | Cide | honestly though |
| 21:20.04 | Cide | the best magic constant I've seen |
| 21:20.07 | Shirik | 127 is stopped according to the protocol I designed |
| 21:20.16 | Shirik | 0 is max speed clockwise, 255 is max speed ccw |
| 21:20.32 | Shirik | (this controls a pulse width modulated servo) |
| 21:21.04 | cogwheel | bad gmail... |
| 21:21.06 | Shirik | so what you're saying is a magic constant isn't supposed to be understood? >< |
| 21:21.11 | cogwheel | it's advertising wow gold to me :( |
| 21:21.14 | Cide | Shirik: no |
| 21:21.14 | Esamynn|Work | why is it 126.0 instead of 126? |
| 21:21.28 | cogwheel | 126 is an int 126.0 is float |
| 21:21.37 | Shirik | in retrospect it wouldn't matter but 126.0 is a double so flooring does not occur |
| 21:21.41 | Cide | but if someone else would read the code, he or she'd go "why 126? what does it do?" |
| 21:21.55 | Shirik | but actually "speed" is a double so it wouldn't matter |
| 21:22.02 | Esamynn|Work | doesn't floor occur when you cast anyways? |
| 21:22.04 | Shirik | Cide: I promise normally in my code I'm really good with #defines |
| 21:22.08 | Esamynn|Work | flooring* |
| 21:22.10 | Shirik | Esamynn|Work: yes, but after the multiplication |
| 21:22.11 | cogwheel | Esamynn|Work: 125/2 == 62 |
| 21:22.20 | cogwheel | 125.0/2 == 62.5 |
| 21:22.23 | Cide | http://pastey.net/79710 |
| 21:22.25 | Cide | ^ ftw |
| 21:22.39 | Shirik | ow |
| 21:22.46 | Shirik | ok let me show you the top of the main file in the driver |
| 21:22.51 | Shirik | maybe it will make you a little happier :P |
| 21:23.04 | Cide | notice the use of 0x5f3759d5 :P |
| 21:23.09 | Shirik | yes that hurt my head |
| 21:23.21 | cogwheel | Cide: i've seen that before |
| 21:23.25 | Esamynn|Work | in that example though, it doesn't matter whether the * operator floors its result or not |
| 21:23.26 | cogwheel | amused me greatly |
| 21:23.29 | Esamynn|Work | at least, not the way I read it |
| 21:23.30 | Cide | cogwheel: yeah, me too |
| 21:23.54 | Thunder_Child | art3mis, http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071228/ap_on_fe_st/japan_hello_kitty_for_men;_ylt=Av3zh88qNcJWT9Ijuu9FMoas0NUE |
| 21:24.21 | Shirik | Top of the driver: http://wowi.pastey.net/79711-3fkl |
| 21:25.53 | Shirik | but see Cide |
| 21:25.58 | Shirik | I would totally #define 126 |
| 21:26.01 | Shirik | if I knew why it worked |
| 21:26.11 | Cide | haha, you should figure it out then :P |
| 21:26.14 | cogwheel | http://betterexplained.com/articles/understanding-quakes-fast-inverse-square-root/ |
| 21:26.16 | Shirik | Well I did the math |
| 21:26.24 | Shirik | I know how it works |
| 21:26.25 | Shirik | just not why |
| 21:26.39 | Shirik | when I first did it I thought it should be 127, but then 127 + 127 == 0 |
| 21:26.43 | Shirik | and it needs to be 255 |
| 21:26.56 | Shirik | so I pulled it to 126 and double-checked max speed in the opposite direction |
| 21:27.03 | Shirik | which isn't entirely correct but it's close enough |
| 21:27.09 | Shirik | it becomes 1 |
| 21:27.15 | Shirik | instead of 0 |
| 21:27.19 | Cide | well, 127 + ([0.0-1.0] * 126 * +-1) == [0.0-255.0]? |
| 21:27.40 | Shirik | 1.0 - 255.0 |
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| 21:27.58 | Cide | err, yeah |
| 21:27.59 | Shirik | hi Cairenn |
| 21:28.04 | Cairenn | hi hi |
| 21:28.07 | Shirik | do you think 126.0 is a magical number? |
| 21:28.11 | Esamynn|Work | oh noes, it's Cairenn, RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!!! |
| 21:29.03 | Shirik | Cide: I guess the problem is that it's an even number of choices |
| 21:29.06 | Shirik | and I need an odd number |
| 21:29.06 | bleeter | at 08:30? on half a mug of coffee? hahaha ha ha :/ |
| 21:29.17 | Shirik | (the middle 127 plus 1 in each direction for each speed) |
| 21:31.00 | Shirik | how much space does WoW take? |
| 21:31.08 | Shirik | think I can install it on a 2 GB flash drive? :P |
| 21:31.08 | Cide | roughly 3m^3 |
| 21:31.11 | Shirik | boo |
| 21:31.15 | Cide | my install is like 5gb |
| 21:31.24 | Esamynn|Work | Cide: only? |
| 21:31.25 | Shirik | guess I need to repartition my drive |
| 21:31.29 | Cide | but out of the box it's less |
| 21:31.31 | Shirik | or find a way to load a QNX partition on this drive |
| 21:31.45 | Esamynn|Work | Cide: I could have sworn it was up to around 7GB |
| 21:32.11 | Cide | err |
| 21:32.14 | Cide | mine's 12.7GB |
| 21:32.19 | Esamynn|Work | HAHA |
| 21:32.20 | Cide | my estimate was a bit off |
| 21:32.23 | Esamynn|Work | delete your patches :P |
| 21:32.26 | Cide | yeah |
| 21:32.27 | Cide | I should |
| 21:32.29 | Shirik | oh lookie |
| 21:32.34 | Shirik | I have 8.5GB unpartitioned |
| 21:32.35 | Shirik | that works |
| 21:32.54 | Esamynn|Work | as long as you clean up your patch files, sure :P |
| 21:33.02 | Shirik | why won't windows let me create a partition there though? |
| 21:33.10 | Esamynn|Work | why do you want to install it on it's own partition? |
| 21:33.18 | Shirik | because I have 200MB left on this one? |
| 21:33.23 | Cide | 8.31GB now :P |
| 21:33.35 | Cide | without a bunch of patches |
| 21:33.57 | bleeter | without WoWTest? |
| 21:34.26 | Kalroth | mine is 10.2gb, but with 500mb of screenshots and some patches |
| 21:34.36 | Shirik | there we go, new 15GB partition |
| 21:34.37 | Shirik | that works |
| 21:34.56 | Cide | bleeter: yes |
| 21:34.59 | Esamynn|Work | multiple partitions on a desktop machine drive me nutso |
| 21:36.42 | Shirik | this is a laptop :) |
| 21:38.26 | Shirik | I definitely should have hit quick format |
| 21:38.26 | Esamynn|Work | same diff |
| 21:38.27 | Shirik | omg |
| 21:38.31 | Esamynn|Work | lol |
| 21:38.38 | Esamynn|Work | quick format is only an erase |
| 21:38.43 | Esamynn|Work | you need a full format with a new partition |
| 21:39.03 | Shirik | nah I've done quick format all the time, it works for NTFS |
| 21:39.16 | Shirik | just I forgot to hit the box |
| 21:39.36 | Esamynn|Work | oh? |
| 21:39.48 | Esamynn|Work | I wonder what the advantage to a full format is |
| 21:40.23 | Shirik | I haven't the slightest clue, but it appears to write data to all sectors of the partition. Maybe security? |
| 21:40.30 | Shirik | s/sectors/blocks/ |
| 21:41.28 | foxlit | Cide, where did your lua distribution come from? |
| 21:41.37 | Cide | cogwheel! |
| 21:41.41 | foxlit | > = ("%2$s %1$s" ):format("world", "Hello"); |
| 21:41.42 | foxlit | stdin:1: invalid option '%$' to 'format' |
| 21:41.54 | cogwheel | foxlit: http://sf.net/projects/lua511wow |
| 21:42.09 | Cide | >>> ("%2$s %1$s" ):format("world", "Hello"); |
| 21:42.09 | Cide | Cide: "Hello world" |
| 21:42.13 | foxlit | Blizzard clearly changed the string library, since that's obsolete in 5.0 and removed altogether in 5.1 |
| 21:42.17 | Shirik | yey, 18% done formatting! |
| 21:42.30 | Esamynn|Work | foxlit: yes |
| 21:42.36 | Esamynn|Work | they started with Lua 4 |
| 21:42.44 | Shirik | foxlit: Blizzard started with Lua 4 iirc? |
| 21:42.51 | Shirik | Maybe there was too much to change so they kept in the old string library |
| 21:43.10 | Esamynn|Work | I don't know why Lua 5.x doesn't have that stuff in it's built in format func though |
| 21:43.16 | cogwheel | the position specification allows MUCH easier localization |
| 21:43.16 | foxlit | http://www.lua.org/source/5.1/lstrlib.c.html |
| 21:43.18 | Esamynn|Work | makes no sense to take it out |
| 21:43.27 | Esamynn|Work | exactly what cog said |
| 21:43.32 | foxlit | Yep |
| 21:43.54 | Shirik | meh |
| 21:44.02 | Shirik | just make every localized string a function |
| 21:44.10 | Shirik | that can return multiple values in the order required |
| 21:44.17 | Shirik | one closure per localized string :D |
| 21:44.30 | cogwheel | O.o |
| 21:44.35 | Polarina | What is removed in 5.1? |
| 21:44.45 | foxlit | %2$d |
| 21:44.46 | cogwheel | i thought it was gone in 5.0 |
| 21:44.54 | Shirik | deprecated in 5.0 |
| 21:44.56 | Polarina | foxlit: Why is that removed? |
| 21:44.58 | cogwheel | ah |
| 21:45.03 | Shirik | like for k,v in t |
| 21:45.05 | foxlit | 5.0 provided pretty error messages |
| 21:45.16 | foxlit | 5.1 just tells you "shoo" |
| 21:45.23 | Shirik | lol |
| 21:45.29 | Polarina | But why was that removed? |
| 21:45.34 | Shirik | because they felt like it? |
| 21:45.48 | Shirik | just like %b |
| 21:45.56 | foxlit | %b is still in, yeah? |
| 21:46.01 | Shirik | I think %b is pretty useful but iirc they're removing that too |
| 21:46.03 | Shirik | yeah but there's talk of removing it |
| 21:46.04 | Cide | think so? |
| 21:46.05 | cogwheel | %b is still there |
| 21:46.10 | Esamynn|Work | O_o |
| 21:46.17 | Cide | why can't they just add a full regex engine? god |
| 21:46.18 | Esamynn|Work | the Lua folks confuse me sometimes |
| 21:46.27 | Cide | string parsing is already a pain in the ass |
| 21:46.35 | Esamynn|Work | Cide: technically %b can't be done with a REGEX :P |
| 21:46.48 | Cide | meh, I'd take that over %b any day of the week still |
| 21:47.58 | Osstia | Any idea what causes this? |
| 21:48.01 | Osstia | I am doing a DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage() when my addon loads, and I am seeing yellow text in the top center of my screen as well as in the chat frame |
| 21:48.18 | Shirik | top center? |
| 21:48.24 | Shirik | post your code |
| 21:49.07 | dylanm | %b is the craziest |
| 21:49.39 | Cide | %b is the shitz |
| 21:50.00 | Shirik | I wish I knew what b actually stood for |
| 21:50.06 | Shirik | instead of just knowing what it does |
| 21:50.18 | dylanm | Huh? Balance? |
| 21:50.26 | Shirik | is that it? |
| 21:50.34 | Esamynn|Work | balanced* |
| 21:50.43 | Polarina | And what does it do? |
| 21:50.43 | Shirik | makes sense |
| 21:50.44 | Osstia | http://wowi.pastey.net/79713 |
| 21:50.50 | Cide | Polarina: www.lua.org |
| 21:50.51 | Shirik | Polarina: It's a good way to check for matching parens, etc |
| 21:51.18 | Shirik | Osstia: out does not exist when you did that |
| 21:51.25 | Esamynn|Work | %b() |
| 21:51.27 | Shirik | I'm surprised you don't get an error |
| 21:51.32 | Osstia | it does display though |
| 21:51.34 | Esamynn|Work | matches something contained in () |
| 21:51.36 | Shirik | out("FarmTracker: Loaded") |
| 21:51.44 | Osstia | yeah |
| 21:51.46 | Shirik | you call that before the function out() exists |
| 21:52.09 | Shirik | also, "out" is a horrible name for a global function |
| 21:52.10 | Shirik | fyi |
| 21:52.17 | Osstia | noted |
| 21:52.27 | Osstia | I am trying to clean this up, I am trying to learn |
| 21:52.31 | Shirik | I wouldn't be surprised if it's being overriden by something else |
| 21:52.39 | Osstia | okay, that would make sense |
| 21:53.00 | Shirik | define out() before you call it, and also probably a good idea to make it local too |
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| 21:53.07 | Osstia | I am changing that right now |
| 21:53.15 | Shirik | Also the preferred way of showing a "loaded" message, btw, is by responding to ADDON_LOADED event |
| 21:53.32 | Osstia | Thanks |
| 21:53.42 | Polarina | And I highly suggest you that you do NOT add that "loaded" message to your addon! |
| 21:53.48 | Shirik | heh |
| 21:53.54 | Shirik | why not? Everyone else does |
| 21:54.00 | Cide | and nobody should |
| 21:54.02 | Shirik | =P |
| 21:54.03 | Cide | it's fucking annoying |
| 21:54.06 | Shirik | I don't for the record :D |
| 21:54.11 | Polarina | Because if you have like 30 addons that does that it's ANNOYING!!! |
| 21:54.13 | Shirik | well unless you have debug messages on |
| 21:54.19 | Osstia | Polarina its there so i know when I reload i screwed something up |
| 21:54.22 | Shirik | then you get about 10 lines of "loaded" |
| 21:54.33 | Shirik | PreInit Start, Init start, PostInit start. Module loaded. Module loaded. etc |
| 21:55.18 | Shirik | yey it finally finished formatting! |
| 22:00.09 | Industrial | http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=10595 |
| 22:03.28 | Xuerian | Why show a addon loaded message... |
| 22:03.30 | Cide | why are you linking that? |
| 22:03.48 | Industrial | because it might interest people here |
| 22:04.01 | Industrial | and I want replies, hehe >:P |
| 22:04.03 | Cide | <rant> using a developer framework as a general-purpose release platform is really stupid </rant> |
| 22:04.26 | Shirik | here Cide: http://wowi.pastey.net/79714 |
| 22:04.29 | Industrial | I totally agree, but other people didn't |
| 22:04.31 | Shirik | Look at all the addon loaded messages! |
| 22:04.36 | Industrial | I can't undo it by myself |
| 22:04.36 | Shirik | Of course, this is with debug messages on :P |
| 22:04.43 | Industrial | and believe me I have tried |
| 22:04.44 | Industrial | :P |
| 22:04.52 | Cide | Industrial: so you're blaming it on everyone else, then jumping on the train. nice |
| 22:04.53 | Shirik | ~pil |
| 22:04.54 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 22:04.59 | Cide | Shirik: good god :P |
| 22:05.04 | Shirik | hehehe |
| 22:05.05 | Xuerian | Filesystem? |
| 22:05.12 | Cide | why is the pre-init before modules are loaded? :P |
| 22:05.13 | Industrial | Cide: yeah well 1.5 years.. |
| 22:05.24 | Shirik | Cide: It's after |
| 22:05.27 | Cide | err |
| 22:05.28 | Cide | after, yeah |
| 22:05.32 | Cide | why is it not before? :P |
| 22:05.40 | Shirik | because modules register what they want to run during pre-init |
| 22:05.56 | Shirik | it's basically 3 events that fire during loading process. Pre-Init, Init, Post-Init |
| 22:06.08 | Shirik | naturally they can't run that until we've loaded them |
| 22:06.09 | Cide | should load modules during pre-init and have them register whta they want when loaded then :P |
| 22:06.21 | Shirik | well they're guaranteed to run pre-init in that order |
| 22:06.26 | Cide | it would seem more logical to me, anyway |
| 22:06.53 | Shirik | Pre-Init was something we kinda added after-the-fact. Originally we only had "Init" but later realized that there is a module that needs to run something before anything else runs an Init |
| 22:07.00 | Shirik | no matter what the child order is |
| 22:07.27 | Shirik | Xuerian: Filesystem is fun |
| 22:07.35 | Shirik | Cidan knows more about that than I do though |
| 22:07.36 | Xuerian | Shirik: In a addon...? |
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| 22:08.18 | Shirik | It's essentially just SavedVariables |
| 22:08.21 | Cide | one question though |
| 22:08.24 | Shirik | with a few extra additions |
| 22:08.26 | Cide | aren't all of those subsystems? :P |
| 22:08.36 | Shirik | yes, the naming policy wasn't exactly followed well |
| 22:08.46 | Shirik | mostly because I got sick of writing "subsystem" after everything, it started to get annoying |
| 22:08.55 | Shirik | may go back and either add them or remove them to make it more consistent |
| 22:09.02 | Cide | probably makes more sense to remove them |
| 22:09.05 | Cide | given that they're modules |
| 22:09.14 | Cide | (doesn't really matter much, just found it funny) |
| 22:09.22 | Shirik | Yeah I agree :P |
| 22:10.25 | Cide | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3686741000&sid=1&pageNo=1 |
| 22:10.41 | Cide | that's gotta be one of the worst ideas ever |
| 22:10.44 | Shirik | hasn't even loaded yet and I'm already scared |
| 22:10.48 | Thunder_Child | anyone know how to diagnose S.M.A.R.T. issues? |
| 22:10.49 | Shirik | I see the title |
| 22:10.55 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: Yeah why what's up? |
| 22:11.13 | Thunder_Child | mobo says it's enabled but every peice of software i have tried cant get a read |
| 22:11.21 | Shirik | huh. |
| 22:11.32 | Shirik | Do this, go grab ultimate boot cd at http://www.ultimatebootcd.com |
| 22:11.45 | Shirik | They have a raw SMART reader on there |
| 22:12.00 | Shirik | and you're sure your HDD supports it, right? |
| 22:12.55 | Thunder_Child | no...but it cant find it on any of the 5 |
| 22:13.03 | Thunder_Child | so i assume it's not them |
| 22:13.10 | Shirik | Cide: omfg |
| 22:13.14 | Shirik | I can't believe someone would do that |
| 22:13.19 | Cide | agreed |
| 22:13.29 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: Fair assumption unless the HDDs are all the same |
| 22:13.37 | Thunder_Child | nope |
| 22:13.44 | Shirik | I honestly haven't seen a HDD that doesn't have it in any recent period of time by any definition of "recent" |
| 22:14.01 | Thunder_Child | i just bought these > 1 year ago |
| 22:16.04 | Shirik | this is just an IDE connection right? |
| 22:16.17 | Shirik | and are you running in RAID? |
| 22:16.44 | Thunder_Child | all SATA drives no raid |
| 22:16.58 | Shirik | hm |
| 22:17.32 | art3mis | thunder |
| 22:17.37 | Thunder_Child | ? |
| 22:17.59 | art3mis | if when you boot eyr pc and you watch the loadup if it DOESNT say S.M.A.R.T blah blah blah before it boots the OS smart isnt there |
| 22:18.20 | art3mis | if it's enabled in the bios |
| 22:18.22 | Thunder_Child | there is an option for it in bios |
| 22:18.36 | art3mis | yeah but if you sdont see it report the condition of each drive with smart enabled... |
| 22:18.47 | art3mis | the drive doesnt support it |
| 22:18.57 | art3mis | which would be super odd since most do |
| 22:19.17 | foxlit | "...I already have to remove my screwdrivers from my carry-on bag and place them in checked baggage or leave them at home, because they are Official Threats To The Integrity Of The Republic ("Take this plane to Cuba or I'll unscrew the wings from the plane")." |
| 22:19.21 | Shirik | Yeah your BIOS should say "SMART OK" as it's booting up |
| 22:21.19 | Esamynn|Work | foxlit: screw drivers are sharp, you could poke someone's eye out! :P |
| 22:28.59 | Shirik | anyone here familiar with unions in C? |
| 22:29.28 | wereHamster | ~asktoask |
| 22:29.29 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 22:29.54 | Shirik | I hate you |
| 22:29.58 | wereHamster | ... I have never thought I'd have to use that on you |
| 22:30.15 | Esamynn|Work | Shirik: a little |
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| 22:31.12 | Shirik | how did you do that? |
| 22:31.35 | Shirik | anyway, if I were in ##c I wouldn't have asked |
| 22:31.39 | Shirik | but since it's off-topic here ... |
| 22:32.43 | wereHamster | Esamynn said he knows a little, and I use C, so I know a bit, too |
| 22:33.00 | End | and I might know a bit, but that'd be telling if I admitted anything |
| 22:33.48 | Shirik | anyway here's the thing. I use unions a bit when I want to save memory space. Say I have two structures, foo and bar. Baz could contain either a foo or a bar. So I do something like |
| 22:34.10 | Shirik | struct baz { union { foo f, bar b}; }; |
| 22:34.26 | Shirik | Problem is I don't know whether it's a foo or a bar, so I include an extra integer in the structure indicating the type |
| 22:34.35 | Shirik | However, I have seen people doing things like this lately: |
| 22:34.44 | End | it's both a food and a bar :P |
| 22:34.46 | End | er, foo |
| 22:34.49 | Shirik | struct baz { union { int type; foo f; bar b; } } |
| 22:35.02 | Shirik | and setting type to, say, 1 if it's a foo, or 2 if it's a bar |
| 22:35.09 | End | what is foo and bar exactly anyways? |
| 22:35.10 | Shirik | how does the data from type not overwrite f or b |
| 22:35.14 | Shirik | two structures |
| 22:35.19 | End | ah |
| 22:35.24 | Shirik | they store... something |
| 22:35.30 | End | then the first value of foo and of bar might also be int type? |
| 22:35.33 | wereHamster | that's bullshit, unless foo and bar also has a int as the first structure member indicating the type.. |
| 22:35.53 | End | what wereHamster, but I think they both do have an int as the first structure member |
| 22:35.55 | Shirik | wereHamster: ok so I'm not going crazy, and I should be doing it as I have been doing, struct baz { int type; union { ... } } |
| 22:35.56 | End | er |
| 22:35.56 | End | what wereHamster said |
| 22:36.10 | End | yes, what you are doing is fine |
| 22:36.11 | wereHamster | Shirik, exactly |
| 22:36.15 | Shirik | ok thanks :) |
| 22:43.34 | Industrial | anyone know if I cang et MSBT to turn off the "23234 dmg, 2 hits" thing? I wanna see every hit by itself |
| 22:44.10 | zenzelezz | not sure if you can completely get rid of it, but you can set the throttling for most things |
| 22:44.15 | Thunder_Child | there is an option about grouping |
| 22:44.26 | Thunder_Child | i think you can "ungroup" them |
| 22:44.31 | Shirik | oh wow |
| 22:44.37 | Shirik | MSDN is starting a "wiki" content part |
| 22:44.46 | Shirik | every page has a "community section" |
| 22:47.38 | foxlit | "Document the Win32 api!" |
| 22:47.43 | foxlit | "Do it now, or we're all doomed!" |
| 22:47.52 | Shirik | rofl |
| 22:48.01 | Shirik | in all honesty the core C API are pretty well documented |
| 22:50.50 | wereHamster | heh.. will the wine devs post all the bugs there? |
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| 22:51.27 | Shirik | rofl |
| 22:51.43 | Shirik | unfortunately they did say that you aren't supposed to post bugs in there =( |
| 22:53.20 | wereHamster | What do they want to have there then? What's the point of letting the community add comments if you don't allow to post corrections to the existing documentation>? |
| 22:54.24 | Shirik | Community Content is generated and maintained by community members through consensus. Its purpose is to provide members an opportunity to collaborate on subject matter that extends the Microsoft core content. |
| 22:54.30 | Shirik | The Community Content section is not the correct place to report documentation bugs or post suggestions about the Microsoft content. To suggest changes, report bugs, or submit other feedback about the Microsoft core content, go to Microsoft Connect. |
| 22:54.39 | Shirik | The Community Content section is not designed to be a discussion forum. To engage in discussions or ask questions, go to the MSDN Forums or TechNet Forums. |
| 22:54.41 | wereHamster | http://www.winehq.org/?issue=336#Interview with Mr. Alexandre Julliard |
| 22:54.53 | wereHamster | Lug Host: Congrats on having spent 15 years re-implementing crap |
| 22:56.19 | Shirik | I really don't know what they expect to go there |
| 22:56.23 | Shirik | examples of good uses maybe? |
| 22:56.30 | Shirik | Suggestions on alternative approaches? |
| 22:56.42 | Shirik | Basically they're saying "Microsoft ain't gonna read yo crap" |
| 22:59.47 | zenzelezz | that's the "community" part |
| 23:00.23 | Shirik | I think it'll turn out kinda like php's community notes |
| 23:00.37 | Shirik | a lot of people post neat uses of things or how to overcome problems they may have found |
| 23:00.56 | Shirik | At least that's what I hope |
| 23:01.06 | wereHamster | .. IOW how to work around the bugs in the API ;) |
| 23:01.20 | Shirik | I think that's a valid use of it :) |
| 23:01.27 | Shirik | THey just don't want you posting "this bug sucks: " |
| 23:02.02 | Shirik | Personally, I want to go to the SwitchToThread() function and post "Whomever came up with the name of this function needs to be fired, then shot, then tossed in a dumpster" |
| 23:02.05 | Shirik | but I'll avoid that |
| 23:02.20 | wereHamster | found a bug? |
| 23:02.35 | Shirik | no, just it took me forever to find that function because the naming of it is moronic |
| 23:02.55 | Shirik | you don't choose which thread to switch to, you aren't even guaranteed to switch to another thread |
| 23:03.22 | Shirik | There are a ton of non-POSIX names I would have advocated. SwitchToThread() is not one of them. |
| 23:03.28 | Shirik | It should at least have the word "yield" in it |
| 23:03.35 | wereHamster | is that something like yield()? |
| 23:03.39 | Shirik | yes |
| 23:03.48 | Shirik | that's exactly what it is |
| 23:03.57 | wereHamster | then that's a really stupid function name -.- |
| 23:04.05 | Shirik | I know... |
| 23:04.12 | Shirik | I spent about 30 minutes looking for that function |
| 23:04.32 | Shirik | And when you have intellisense and MSDN at your disposal, that is way too long |
| 23:04.57 | Shirik | SwitchToThread Function |
| 23:04.58 | Shirik | Causes the calling thread to yield execution to another thread that is ready to run on the current processor. The operating system selects the next thread to be executed. |
| 23:05.37 | bleeter | <Set Course for Pie> |
| 23:05.41 | wereHamster | BOOL WINAPI SwitchToThread(void) { return (NtYieldExecution() != STATUS_NO_YIELD_PERFORMED); } |
| 23:05.48 | wereHamster | from wine source |
| 23:05.50 | foxlit | <Most Delicious Pi> |
| 23:06.29 | Shirik | yeah it returns zero if the thread switched to is the same thread as called it, or it returns nonzero if a switch occurred before the thread regained control |
| 23:08.16 | Shirik | also NtYieldExecution() shows nothing in MSDN so that must be a Wine thing :P |
| 23:09.04 | zenzelezz | http://undocumented.ntinternals.net/UserMode/Undocumented%20Functions/NT%20Objects/Thread/NtYieldExecution.html |
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| 23:09.18 | bleeter | hey, it's werehamster... mc n hny 2u |
| 23:09.32 | Shirik | oh how I love Microsoft |
| 23:09.42 | Shirik | and while that documentation isn't entirely correct, it's interesting to know that exists |
| 23:09.46 | wereHamster | mc n hny 2u? |
| 23:10.03 | bleeter | merry christmas and happy new year to you... :P |
| 23:10.23 | Shirik | bleeter has been texting too much lately |
| 23:10.42 | bleeter | it's been that way for... 30+ years.. I ain't gunna change |
| 23:10.52 | bleeter | Shirik: no, just grew up with 300 baud modems :P |
| 23:11.17 | Shirik | oh so because of 300 baud modems you had to say mc n hny 2u instead of merry christmas and happy new year to you? |
| 23:11.24 | Shirik | Earliest I remember is 9600 on prodigy |
| 23:11.59 | bleeter | you young things are so cute when you get reminiscent |
| 23:12.07 | Shirik | =( |
| 23:12.12 | bleeter | wish i could wrap you all in swadling cloth n take ya home |
| 23:12.14 | bleeter | NOT :P |
| 23:12.18 | Xinhuan | i don't even remember how slow "baud" is ;p |
| 23:12.41 | Shirik | If it makes you feel better bleeter I can set my bot to operate on 300 baud |
| 23:13.04 | Shirik | at* |
| 23:13.20 | Shirik | hm, is it "on" or "at"? |
| 23:13.32 | Shirik | or should you say bps in that form |
| 23:13.33 | Shirik | bleh |
| 23:13.37 | bleeter | gimme rfc 2549 or gimme death |
| 23:13.38 | Shirik | I just say bps |
| 23:13.46 | Shirik | ~rfc 2549 |
| 23:13.58 | Shirik | hm I thought purl had something like that |
| 23:14.03 | bleeter | IPoAC w. QoS |
| 23:14.20 | Shirik | oh right |
| 23:14.21 | Shirik | right |
| 23:14.22 | bleeter | suprised she doesn't |
| 23:14.48 | Shirik | I think people are more familiar with the non-QoS standard |
| 23:14.54 | Shirik | 1149 |
| 23:15.38 | bleeter | ~lart people |
| 23:15.38 | purl | pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps people |
| 23:17.31 | bleeter | Shirik: fwiw, I'd use 'at' |
| 23:17.58 | Shirik | ~dict baud |
| 23:18.02 | Shirik | let's see what webster says |
| 23:18.32 | Shirik | by that definition it should be "at" then yeah :) |
| 23:18.54 | NightHawkTheSane | heh, "most hackers are aware of these nuances but blithely ignore them." ;) |
| 23:18.54 | Shirik | but actually "level transitions per second" is a bit important, that's interesting |
| 23:19.06 | Shirik | for things like ethernet that means ethernet doesn't run at 10Mbaud |
| 23:19.10 | Shirik | it runs at 20 |
| 23:19.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | <+Shirik> Mr_Rabies: ping |
| 23:19.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | <+Shirik> or any resto druid for that matter |
| 23:19.41 | Shirik | already got the question answered but thanks anyway :) |
| 23:19.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh okay |
| 23:19.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | i was gonna forward you to miyari from wowhead |
| 23:20.04 | Shirik | I'll keep him in mind thanks |
| 23:20.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | she's a great resto drood |
| 23:20.14 | Shirik | her* |
| 23:21.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | she hangs out in #wowhead so if you need anything relating to treedroods, ask her |
| 23:21.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | she knows what she's talkin about |
| 23:21.28 | Shirik | thanks, but actually I'm in a strnage predicament now |
| 23:21.42 | Shirik | I found on the druid I had a question about is actually balance/resto |
| 23:21.49 | Shirik | which leads to some... strange healing practices |
| 23:22.09 | Shirik | his reasoning behind it seems sound though |
| 23:22.35 | Cide | if shit hits the fan, more PEW PEW less QQ? |
| 23:23.05 | Shirik | lol no |
| 23:23.18 | Shirik | but it does result in healing touch becoming a primary healing spell, which is... different |
| 23:23.32 | Shirik | not saying it's good or bad because I really don't know |
| 23:24.07 | Shirik | Plus, my +healing and mp/5 go up dramaticially with this spec. I think in my healing gear I'm around 350 mp/5 185 while casting. Unbuffed. |
| 23:24.13 | Shirik | (quoted from forums) |
| 23:24.38 | Corrodias | there are a couple of different popular druid healing specs |
| 23:24.57 | Corrodias | one of them does emphasize Healing Touch, yes. don't they call those "Dreamstate Healers"? |
| 23:25.41 | zenzelezz | doesn't really matter what they call them if it works |
| 23:25.49 | Corrodias | that means they've gone down the Balance tree far enough to be effective DPS in addition to very decent healing, with extra mana regen from Dreamstate |
| 23:26.10 | Shirik | let me see what his spec is |
| 23:26.13 | Corrodias | given the talents available with the number of points in each tree, i believe it's more effective to focus on HT more than the HoTs |
| 23:26.26 | Corrodias | when you've already gone that far in balance, i mean |
| 23:26.34 | Shirik | that's what he was saying |
| 23:27.03 | Corrodias | i used that spec from 60 to 70, until i decided i had to become a tank |
| 23:27.37 | Shirik | I'm not sure I can agree with it currently though. I'm not normally one to look at healing charts for anything more than a glance, because they aren't usually a good indicator |
| 23:27.43 | Shirik | but he was a bit low |
| 23:27.57 | Corrodias | wel, the point is that he can DPS effectively with the same spec, sometimes the same gear now |
| 23:28.05 | Shirik | I don't think he's intending to do dps |
| 23:28.22 | Shirik | his spec is 34/0/27 |
| 23:28.24 | Corrodias | if he's not interested in dps, it really is a mistake to go that route. |
| 23:28.49 | Shirik | and in all honesty our biggest problem right now is our healing |
| 23:28.54 | Shirik | which I'm actively trying to correct |
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| 23:29.19 | Shirik | he does have dreamstate though, yes |
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| 23:29.50 | Shirik | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-talents.xml?r=Drenden&n=Imayliya |
| 23:30.08 | Xuerian | It's a mixed dps spec yes, and it does give a druid more direct healing "umpf" |
| 23:30.13 | Xuerian | Lower overall healing of course |
| 23:30.28 | Shirik | he seemed to claim his +healing and mp5 were given a boost by this spec |
| 23:30.32 | Shirik | you don't agree? |
| 23:30.35 | Corrodias | they are |
| 23:30.40 | Xuerian | yeah, they are |
| 23:30.41 | Corrodias | just not as much as going full resto would give |
| 23:31.34 | Shirik | hopefully I can have a chat with him tonight so we can have a full discussion of it instead of just like a paragraph |
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| 23:36.13 | TC-Holding | oh, interesting... it seems that SMART is killed on nVIDIA chipsets working with vista |
| 23:36.27 | Shirik | noice |
| 23:36.34 | Shirik | wait I thought I had an nvidia chipset? |
| 23:36.40 | Shirik | oh well |
| 23:36.48 | Corrodias | dreamstate healing is an effective spec, but not -as- effective, although the dps power is considerable. i'd say it's probably my favored spec for pvp, but i don't pvp a lot |
| 23:37.03 | Thunder_Child | there IS an unstable workaround for it though |
| 23:37.03 | Shirik | Corrodias: thanks for the info, I'll hopefully have a chat with him tonight |
| 23:37.13 | Corrodias | i have been dismissed! TO THE BARRACKS! |
| 23:37.58 | Thunder_Child | "The problem is about the NVSTOR.SYS driver, which is the driver for nVIDIA SATA controllers (in non-RAID mode) under Vista. Previously -- under WinXP -- the driver for SATA controllers (in non-RAID mode) was called NVATA.SYS." |
| 23:38.05 | Thunder_Child | "The old NVATA.SYS driver is an IDE/ATA/ATAPI controller driver that can pass SMART commands from Windows or Windows software (like EVEREST) to SATA drives without any issues. Hence this topic is only about Vista driver (NVSTOR.SYS), which on the other hand is a driver that conforms to the SCSI specifications, and it makes nVIDIA SATA controllers to appear as Fibre Channel SCSI controllers to Windows Vista device manager. A |
| 23:38.19 | Thunder_Child | bollocks |
| 23:38.46 | bleeter | '... to Windows Vista device manager. A' |
| 23:38.50 | Shirik | wait Thunder_Child |
| 23:38.59 | Thunder_Child | And since SMART is unsupported for SCSI controllers and SCSI hard disk drives, Windows (and so all software that detects and displays SMART information) cannot pass SMART commands to the SATA drives connected to nVIDIA SATA controllers." |
| 23:39.06 | Shirik | have you tried any out-of-OS SMART readers like the one I showed you |
| 23:39.08 | Shirik | ? |
| 23:39.14 | Shirik | that's why I mentioned that one :P |
| 23:39.33 | Corrodias | what is SMART again? |
| 23:39.35 | Thunder_Child | i couldnt find which one you were talking about |
| 23:39.44 | Shirik | self monitoring analysis and reporting tool |
| 23:39.47 | Shirik | why the hell do I have that memorized |
| 23:40.01 | Thunder_Child | Corrodias, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-Monitoring,_Analysis,_and_Reporting_Technology |
| 23:40.08 | Shirik | oh it's technology not tool |
| 23:40.13 | Shirik | oh well |
| 23:40.18 | Corrodias | i wasn't aware the OS had to support it. huh. |
| 23:40.22 | Shirik | it doesn't |
| 23:40.28 | Shirik | but if you have software running inside the OS it does :P |
| 23:40.36 | Shirik | because the software has to interact with the driver |
| 23:40.41 | bleeter | http://wiinintendo.net/2007/12/28/the-wii-officially-hacked/ |
| 23:40.55 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, link that site again plese |
| 23:40.58 | Thunder_Child | please* |
| 23:41.04 | Shirik | http://www.ultimatebootcd.com |
| 23:41.09 | Shirik | I <3 this CD, keep it with me all the time |
| 23:41.12 | Shirik | it has a ton of useful tools |
| 23:41.19 | Thunder_Child | ok, which tool is it |
| 23:41.28 | Corrodias | excellent |
| 23:41.29 | Shirik | one of them should be called "SMART reader" or something like that |
| 23:41.33 | Shirik | go into hard drive utilities |
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| 23:41.37 | Shirik | you'll see it there |
| 23:41.41 | Corrodias | i have a super winpe iso, but this looks like more hardware-oriented utilities |
| 23:41.42 | Thunder_Child | closeest thing i see it SMARTUDM |
| 23:41.46 | Shirik | that's it |
| 23:42.16 | Shirik | it's very simple to use, etc |
| 23:42.17 | Thunder_Child | ok, rebooting to test it out |
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| 23:45.50 | Corrodias | so many useful utilities... |
| 23:46.00 | Shirik | I love that CD |
| 23:46.43 | Corrodias | then the ubcd for windows has more! |
| 23:46.47 | Shirik | whenever I'm working on repairs I'll use that CD to find what's wrong if it's hardware related. I actually have a modified one with some virus utilities, etc. too |
| 23:47.30 | Corrodias | although i don't understand just what ubcd4win IS |
| 23:47.39 | Shirik | actually I've never heard of that one |
| 23:47.55 | Shirik | Last I visited the site they only had the basic one and then an extra one which allows you to add new bootable tools to the image |
| 23:47.59 | Shirik | that's it |
| 23:48.04 | Shirik | OS-independent, etc. |
| 23:49.15 | Shirik | it also has some great stuff that I found useful when I worked for geek squad |
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| 23:49.28 | Shirik | like tools to remove stupid customers' passwords because they drop off their computer and expect us to know what it is |
| 23:49.42 | Lopeppeppy | "What, you can't just... tell?" |
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| 23:49.54 | foxlit | Pay attention now, it's |
| 23:49.55 | foxlit | 1 |
| 23:49.55 | foxlit | 2 |
| 23:49.55 | foxlit | 3 |
| 23:49.56 | foxlit | 4 |
| 23:49.56 | foxlit | 5 |
| 23:49.57 | Shirik | <3 Lopeppeppy |
| 23:50.10 | Lopeppeppy | "Check the little ID tag, I just used those numbers!" |
| 23:50.42 | Corrodias | ah yes, i think "erd commander" contains a password-changing tool |
| 23:50.54 | Shirik | oh do they have ERD commander on there now too? |
| 23:50.57 | Shirik | That's not what I used |
| 23:51.00 | Shirik | but I've used it before |
| 23:51.12 | Lopeppeppy | I usually find a nice reformatting is a good solution to all PEBKAC issues.... |
| 23:51.15 | Corrodias | no, i'm just referring to my experience with ERDC |
| 23:51.15 | Shirik | and yeah it does |
| 23:51.22 | Shirik | Corrodias: ah |
| 23:51.23 | Corrodias | from super winpe |
| 23:51.45 | Shirik | Anyway it's also nice for when customers come in saying "I forgot my password, can you get in for me?" I go "Sure, $39 it'll take me 2 hours" |
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| 23:52.08 | Shirik | in actuality it only takes about 5 minutes but people for some reason feel much better paying $39 for 2 hours of work than they do for 5 minutes of work |
| 23:52.12 | Thunder_Child | ok, so 4 out of the 5 showed up |
| 23:52.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Okay, I thought I would recognize a buff mod if the guy gave me a screenshot, but I can't |
| 23:52.24 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: So at least you know it's not the board :) |
| 23:52.26 | Thunder_Child | and i am not surprised at all that the one i wanted didnt show ip |
| 23:52.28 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.nerferic.com/images/helpmesbo.jpg <-- circled, bottom half of the screen |
| 23:52.29 | Corrodias | most of that 2 hours for me would be hooking up the computer to the peripherals, since i don't have spare ones sitting around |
| 23:52.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Any ideas? |
| 23:52.35 | Corrodias | and removing them, of course |
| 23:52.39 | Thunder_Child | s/ip/up/ |
| 23:52.40 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: Ah, so you think that drive might be failing? |
| 23:52.46 | foxlit | That looks like quartz |
| 23:53.03 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, ya, though i cant imagine that one of WG's Raptors doesnt have smart |
| 23:53.08 | Thunder_Child | WD* |
| 23:53.17 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: Well actually failing drives often have problems with reporting SMART |
| 23:53.24 | Shirik | There's another tool on that CD, "Drive Fitness Test (DFT)" |
| 23:53.27 | Shirik | run that on it |
| 23:53.28 | foxlit | SB: Reading chat, It is quartz. |
| 23:53.34 | Shirik | run the advanced test, but it'll take about an hour |
| 23:53.39 | Thunder_Child | meh |
| 23:53.46 | Thunder_Child | i tried WD's own test |
| 23:53.49 | ScytheBlade1 | foxlit: the circled 'Blessing of Wisdom' is Quartz? |
| 23:53.52 | Thunder_Child | passed |
| 23:53.53 | foxlit | Yes |
| 23:54.18 | Shirik | I don't like their tests :P |
| 23:54.18 | Corrodias | i want a buff mod that just lets me customize the blizzard buff frame a little: change the time format, prettify the buffs, set a limit of buffs per row |
| 23:54.18 | Shirik | honestly DFT has found things that manufacturer tools have missed before |
| 23:54.27 | ScytheBlade1 | foxlit: just strikes me as odd that a latency related addon is showing buggs of your target |
| 23:54.37 | foxlit | It's ace |
| 23:54.40 | foxlit | It also does my cooking |
| 23:54.52 | ScytheBlade1 | foxlit: oh, so it's another addon with the same name? |
| 23:54.55 | Corrodias | Quartz shows a number of timers, not just cast timers |
| 23:55.00 | Thunder_Child | but DFT is for hitachi |
| 23:55.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah |
| 23:55.09 | Shirik | it works for all drives :) |
| 23:55.11 | Corrodias | although all -i- use it for is cast timers |
| 23:55.15 | Lopeppeppy | Quartz is a damn cuisinart. |
| 23:55.17 | foxlit | No, it's just regular Quartz, there isn't a name collision as far as I'm aware |
| 23:55.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Okay, I didn't know it tracked that. Thought it was a simple latency mod. |
| 23:55.37 | Thunder_Child | i will try it later when the drive starts failing again |
| 23:55.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | tugboat tugboat |
| 23:56.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup, that was it |
| 23:56.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Thanks all |
| 23:56.40 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: ok :) But do yourself a favor and back up the data on there too |
| 23:56.53 | Shirik | just in case |
| 23:56.54 | Thunder_Child | nothing to back up, it's my C drive |
| 23:57.02 | Shirik | ah so just the OS? |
| 23:57.08 | Thunder_Child | yep |
| 23:57.15 | Shirik | that's good :) |
