| 00:00.03 | Corrodias | does euro football penalize for injuring other players? |
| 00:00.44 | zenzelezz | not if it's truly by accident, but you'll find that hard to accomplish with a fair tackle |
| 00:01.08 | Corrodias | interesting |
| 00:02.16 | Lopeppeppy | Hard to injure someone in a fair tackle? Or hard NOT to injure them? |
| 00:02.45 | zenzelezz | hard to injure them |
| 00:03.33 | Lopeppeppy | I like the tackling part. I think I'm part cavegirl. |
| 00:03.51 | Shirik|AFK | no wonder your husband loves you |
| 00:05.13 | Shirik|AFK | ~wiki dark humor |
| 00:05.31 | Lopeppeppy | Yup, black humor. I gets it now. Tee hee. |
| 00:05.40 | Shirik|AFK | I don't get it :/ |
| 00:05.45 | Lopeppeppy | zenzelezz, I can't see in the dark, so your cave decor does not impress me. |
| 00:05.57 | zenzelezz | that's intentional |
| 00:05.58 | Shirik|AFK | Lopeppeppy: doesn' matter, you're knocked out apparently |
| 00:06.04 | Shirik|AFK | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:06.11 | zenzelezz | Shirik|AFK: not permanently, I'm not into that sort of thing |
| 00:06.27 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik... I've mentioned a couple times over the last month that it's chilly Chez Peppy. Other Woman (tm) troubles. *shrug* Thus, dark humor. |
| 00:06.35 | Lopeppeppy | Thank the gods, zenzelezz. |
| 00:06.47 | End | who bothers with decor anyways!? |
| 00:07.01 | Lopeppeppy | Anyone who wants a girl to come back a second time? |
| 00:07.17 | zenzelezz | wait, there's a connection between decor and that? |
| 00:07.37 | Lopeppeppy | Sometimes, zenzelezz. It never hurts to dust before bringing the date home. |
| 00:09.20 | End | I just went through a slightly complicated process to opt out of a mailing list, and it just sent me an email confirm my changes |
| 00:09.42 | Lopeppeppy | ... when you wanted to NOT get any more e-mails, am I right? *giggle* |
| 00:09.49 | End | yes |
| 00:09.56 | Lopeppeppy | Gotta love the logic. |
| 00:10.04 | End | I can't pretend to be surprised though. |
| 00:10.19 | End | well, I can try to pretend |
| 00:10.24 | End | but I'm a bad pretender |
| 00:10.36 | mikma | logic? what logic? .. THIS, IS.. INTERNETS!!! |
| 00:10.50 | Lopeppeppy | Me too, I just end up all... Valley Girl happy. "Like... you got that, fer me? Fer shure? How awesome!?!" |
| 00:10.58 | End | lol |
| 00:13.09 | End | my code, it works! |
| 00:13.41 | End | ok, I liked it better when my code didn't work |
| 00:14.54 | Lopeppeppy | What code did you perfect, Mr. Mitnik? |
| 00:15.54 | zenzelezz | free Kevin? |
| 00:15.54 | End | just code that uses ScrollFrame |
| 00:16.00 | Polarina | End: It would be funnier if you did /me of the world is near! |
| 00:16.07 | End | (although, it's still not working "correctly") |
| 00:16.20 | End | Polarina, yeah, nobody has ever made that joke before :P |
| 00:16.55 | Polarina | End: It doesn't make any sense using other nicknames. |
| 00:17.01 | Thunder_Child | really? no one has joked about your name before?? wow..i have to get crackin |
| 00:17.20 | End | I think we're all of the world here :P |
| 00:17.32 | End | unless someone is otherworldly |
| 00:17.35 | malreth | that makes sense... in an odd japanese sort of sense... |
| 00:18.09 | malreth | it sounds like the name of an anime... Polarina of the World |
| 00:18.25 | End | hmm, yeah, it does |
| 00:19.33 | malreth | if it gets picked up by 4kids and translated, it gets renamed to "Blade Edge Angel" |
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| 00:19.48 | Polarina | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:19.48 | Polarina | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:21.41 | Lopeppeppy | Peppy's World would be too much a Wayne's World spin off. |
| 00:22.50 | Thunder_Child | huh, LAPD 'copter circling around overhead telling someone to get on their knees and put their hands over their head |
| 00:23.08 | zenzelezz | they found you in the end then |
| 00:23.25 | Thunder_Child | it isnt over yet |
| 00:23.46 | mikma | peppy's world, peppy's world, party time, excellent... |
| 00:24.09 | malreth | HE'S OVER HERE! I FOUND HIM! |
| 00:24.10 | Thunder_Child | err...people |
| 00:24.27 | Thunder_Child | damit! |
| 00:24.28 | mikma | Thunder_Child: ok bye bye, see ya.. in 20 years :O |
| 00:24.58 | malreth | aimfm nof neffign go |
| 00:26.03 | malreth | :( |
| 00:27.10 | malreth | i always knew you'd take care of me |
| 00:29.40 | Thunder_Child | i assume Lopeppeppy has better tatse than that |
| 00:32.41 | Thunder_Child | woot, digital ftw http://www.thunder-child.net/Misc/LAPD.jpg |
| 00:32.57 | Thunder_Child | that was the copter...they never got me! |
| 00:37.40 | foxlit | Hm, I wonder |
| 00:37.55 | foxlit | Samsung 225MW screen has a tv tuner, and claims to be "HD Ready" |
| 00:38.00 | Lopeppeppy | Um.... NMK, malreth, but thanks for thinking of me? |
| 00:38.04 | foxlit | I'm guessing that's 768p? |
| 00:38.29 | End | ~wtf NMK |
| 00:38.35 | End | I don't either! |
| 00:38.41 | End | ~botslap |
| 00:38.42 | purl | ACTION cowers away from end |
| 00:38.44 | Lopeppeppy | Not My Kink. |
| 00:38.47 | End | ah |
| 00:38.49 | End | ok |
| 00:39.20 | mikma | nub my kli... ohright |
| 00:41.13 | Lopeppeppy | Nothing about Klingons either, I'm afraid. |
| 00:41.36 | Thunder_Child | Nice Mild Kick |
| 00:42.02 | malreth | Neutered Motorcycle King |
| 00:42.18 | Thunder_Child | No More Killing |
| 00:43.08 | End | Nibble More Kibbles |
| 00:43.14 | mikma | Lopeppeppy: klingons, lol |
| 00:43.23 | bleeter | mmm kibbler's petfood |
| 00:44.05 | Lopeppeppy | Although a nice Romulan... hmm. |
| 00:44.37 | Thunder_Child | i dunno, kinda sneaky |
| 00:46.14 | Thunder_Child | interesting....i just got an email that has no sender and no subject or message |
| 00:50.13 | mikma | so you didnt get email then |
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| 00:51.52 | Lopeppeppy | You got the ghost of email future! |
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| 00:56.01 | Thunder_Child | well i got something |
| 00:56.07 | Thunder_Child | it just happened to be nothing... |
| 00:56.32 | Lopeppeppy | Something is not nothing. Contrariwise. |
| 00:56.37 | Thunder_Child | i wish i could see the header |
| 00:56.49 | Thunder_Child | yes, it's null value data |
| 00:57.53 | Lopeppeppy | Not even a header for fun? |
| 00:58.11 | Thunder_Child | nope, gmail doesnt have anything |
| 00:58.22 | Thunder_Child | but i know there has to be something |
| 00:58.54 | Lopeppeppy | Gmail baked you an ecookie but then ated it? |
| 00:59.08 | Thunder_Child | ... |
| 00:59.24 | bleeter | has anyone written a mod to count total time 'wasted' on taxis? |
| 00:59.39 | Thunder_Child | this is the kind of thing thats for you Lopeppeppy...and Cairenn to http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/generic/9505/ |
| 00:59.53 | bleeter | er, has anyone written/does anyone know of a mod |
| 00:59.54 | Thunder_Child | weirdos |
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| 01:00.25 | Thunder_Child | bleeter, why would you want a reminder on how much time you have 'wasted'? |
| 01:00.50 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:01.00 | foxlit | But, if anything, I'd want an addon that blocks that command |
| 01:01.09 | Thunder_Child | isnt really wasted |
| 01:01.28 | Lopeppeppy | I like that tshirt, Thunder_Child, thanks! |
| 01:01.32 | Thunder_Child | personally i watch/read something when i am flying |
| 01:01.34 | bleeter | Thunder_Child: same reason I want a count of the number of times I've jumped, and how much time spent in major cities... no real reason at all ;) |
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| 01:01.57 | Thunder_Child | bleeter, gah, guillitine and his jumping mod |
| 01:02.10 | Thunder_Child | Lopeppeppy, so i figured, welcome |
| 01:02.52 | Lopeppeppy | "I'm in your stadiumz, breakin' yr recordz!" |
| 01:03.23 | bleeter | Thunder_Child: tbh, guillotine's jumping mod is minor failure. it doesn't take into account taking into the air on a flying mount using the space bar, it counts that as a jump ;) |
| 01:03.43 | Cairenn | Thunder_Child: heh, saw that the other day |
| 01:04.20 | Cairenn | and amusingly enough, the sample shot applies quite nicely to me, as well |
| 01:04.37 | Lopeppeppy | Hai2U, Cairenn! Come watch football with me! |
| 01:04.53 | Cairenn | sorry Peppy, I'm a hockey fan, don't like football |
| 01:05.31 | Cairenn | although ... american football or european? |
| 01:05.47 | sysrage | soccer ftw |
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| 01:06.20 | Thunder_Child | bleeter, that was made before flying mounts i think |
| 01:06.32 | Cairenn | the nice thing about american football is how great their tush's look in those lovely tight pants ;) |
| 01:06.48 | Industrial | ... :P |
| 01:06.48 | Cairenn | so if it's american you want to watch Lopeppeppy, I'm right there with ya ;) |
| 01:07.12 | Lopeppeppy | I'm watching the Patriots/Giants game, tight pants and all. :) |
| 01:07.22 | Cairenn | yum |
| 01:07.39 | Industrial | I watch it sometimes on NASN (its the only american sports channel I am receiving here), but I don't know the rules |
| 01:07.42 | Industrial | it all goes so fast >_> |
| 01:07.44 | dylanm | Tom Brady is hot amiright |
| 01:07.57 | Thunder_Child | "(17:03:44) (@Cairenn) and amusingly enough, the sample shot applies quite nicely to me, as well" ? "I'm in your blank blanking your blank?" |
| 01:08.05 | Lopeppeppy | You're right, but Tedy Bruschi is my favorite. |
| 01:08.08 | Industrial | I like it better then soccer tho |
| 01:08.12 | Industrial | to watch |
| 01:08.25 | bleeter | 'i'm in ur mind dismantling ur brainz!' |
| 01:08.37 | Industrial | you are now listening to the final countdown! |
| 01:08.43 | Industrial | you are now breathing manually! |
| 01:08.57 | Cairenn | I'm in your male dominated industry, contradicting your stereotypes |
| 01:09.05 | Lopeppeppy | Hawt. |
| 01:09.09 | Thunder_Child | ~sigh Cairenn |
| 01:09.10 | purl | ACTION sighs, rolls its eyes and shakes its head, "Cairenn!" |
| 01:09.31 | Industrial | Cairenn: k next up, metal! |
| 01:09.39 | Industrial | actually thats not really male dominated.. |
| 01:09.42 | Industrial | hmmm :P |
| 01:10.20 | Lopeppeppy | Too many echoes for the anthem to come across well. |
| 01:10.35 | Industrial | just grunt |
| 01:10.36 | Industrial | : |
| 01:10.37 | Industrial | :P |
| 01:10.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | Lopeppeppy: football stadiums really, really suck for acoustics |
| 01:11.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | even smaller stadiums suck ass at acoustics |
| 01:11.25 | Lopeppeppy | I know.... it's just frustrating to listen to sometimes |
| 01:11.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | the sound reflects off the concrete unless it's packed to the brim |
| 01:11.31 | Industrial | Lopeppeppy: like the arch enemy singer! shes hot AND grunts your head off.. what more do you want :D? |
| 01:11.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | though we used that to our advantage a few times |
| 01:11.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | for solos and whatnot |
| 01:11.51 | Cide | less grunting and more singing would be what I want |
| 01:11.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | have the trumpet soloist face backfield so the judges etc heard the echo |
| 01:12.02 | Industrial | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NizPNmUjeDU |
| 01:12.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | that was a cool effect |
| 01:13.29 | Lopeppeppy | Grunting is for... other activities than singing. |
| 01:13.43 | Thunder_Child | not in all cultures |
| 01:14.06 | Industrial | yes like I say a lot |
| 01:14.13 | Industrial | I wonder what other sounds she can make |
| 01:14.14 | Industrial | :p |
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| 01:15.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | grunting has its usage in singing, just not when you're singing the national anthem i guess |
| 01:15.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | assuming that's what happened |
| 01:16.22 | Lopeppeppy | She didn't get to sing much, Mr_Rabies2, the echoes just covered it all up. Anyway... now is football chasing! |
| 01:16.54 | Thunder_Child | silly sport |
| 01:17.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | it really does suck ass to march to a tempo when you don't hear the ictus, but instead, the echo :/ |
| 01:18.12 | Industrial | "ok i have this ball and im going to put it on your land, but you cant have it or youll dump it on mine" |
| 01:18.19 | Industrial | they should play with a trashcan :o |
| 01:18.52 | Lopeppeppy | Everything is better Blue Man styel |
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| 01:18.55 | Lopeppeppy | *style |
| 01:19.36 | Thunder_Child | i just think there should be more finesse than brute force |
| 01:19.38 | Osstia|mac | I am looking to create a frame that has buttons/slots on it. I want to be able to drag/drop items from my inventory into these slots to retrieve information about them. Would I be using buttons for this? Does anyone have an example of something similar I could look at? |
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| 01:20.13 | Thunder_Child | what kind of information? |
| 01:20.25 | Osstia|mac | The name |
| 01:20.31 | Osstia|mac | I want to have 6-10 slots |
| 01:20.43 | Osstia|mac | for allowing someone to specify items they want to track |
| 01:20.56 | Osstia|mac | This would be for an options type page |
| 01:21.23 | Osstia|mac | you would drag the items you want to track into the slots, then save |
| 01:21.56 | Lopeppeppy | I know there's a farming-helper mod out there somewhere, I wonder how it's coded, if it's similar.... |
| 01:22.01 | Osstia|mac | I am trackin how many of a speific item you have in inevtory on a BAG_UPDATE |
| 01:22.13 | Osstia|mac | I know there is LootTracker |
| 01:22.26 | art3mis | there's farmerfu as well |
| 01:22.32 | Osstia|mac | maybe I an look at it |
| 01:22.36 | Osstia|mac | most |
| 01:22.41 | art3mis | specify the names of the tracking things and it keeps track for ya |
| 01:22.49 | Osstia|mac | thats what i am writing |
| 01:22.56 | Osstia|mac | and I have a basic version of it working |
| 01:22.59 | art3mis | farmerfu already does it for ya ;P |
| 01:23.11 | Thunder_Child | pfft, farmers |
| 01:23.14 | Osstia|mac | but I use /slasCommand [item link] to add the item |
| 01:23.30 | Osstia|mac | haha, This is more for me to learn how to code an addon |
| 01:23.44 | Osstia|mac | I just happen to farm a lot, so i thought I would code something useful to me |
| 01:24.50 | Osstia|mac | If I did want to use a button, is that possible to have a frame with a button on it that I can drag an item into? I can't think of a place I have seen that done before |
| 01:24.57 | Osstia|mac | except for like an action bar |
| 01:29.20 | mikma | Osstia|mac: there's some addons out there that do that |
| 01:30.34 | Osstia|mac | mikma: if you think of one lemme know, I'd love to look at how they do it |
| 01:30.38 | Osstia|mac | thank you |
| 01:31.38 | mikma | Osstia|mac: klappa is the first one that comes in my mind |
| 01:31.46 | Osstia|mac | awesome, thank you |
| 01:31.56 | mikma | Osstia|mac: http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/trunk/Klappa |
| 01:34.10 | Lopeppeppy | Klap...pa.... |
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| 01:35.27 | mikma | Osstia|mac: well, and if you don't have to use the item from the button, you can also have a look at Baud Mount |
| 01:35.47 | Fin | klappa bartender bongos trinitybars geist |
| 01:37.42 | Fin | Industrial: you there? |
| 01:38.00 | Osstia|mac | i do not want to use the item, so baud mount as well |
| 01:38.01 | Osstia|mac | tanks |
| 01:52.15 | Cide | has anyone done any performance tests w.r.t. single frame handling events for many others vs each frame handling the same events but for themselves only? |
| 01:53.21 | Esamynn | Cide: I haven't, but I would suspect that they would be about the same, unless you are filtering events that are for a specific unit |
| 01:53.30 | Cide | yeah, that's what I'm doing unfortunately |
| 01:53.34 | Iriel | It really boils down to HOW you do the multiplexing |
| 01:53.39 | cladhaire | indeed |
| 01:53.56 | Esamynn | Cide: in that case yes, filter at a central point |
| 01:54.01 | Esamynn | that I HAVE done testing on |
| 01:55.17 | Cide | alright, thanks |
| 01:55.42 | Esamynn | the difference was big time for me (dealing with Unit_HEalth here |
| 01:55.56 | Cide | yeah, that was what I was thinking about mainly |
| 01:56.08 | Cide | other uses as well, but that's the biggest one |
| 01:56.37 | Esamynn | I think I have what I coded here somewhere, if you are feeling lazy ;) |
| 01:57.15 | Cide | nah, I'm writing a wrapper anyway :) |
| 01:57.23 | Cide | thanks though |
| 01:58.36 | Esamynn | I just wrote a general event registration system that allowed you to pass a 2nd arg to filter the event's first arg by |
| 02:02.10 | Cide | it should be better to let C-land do the iterating if no filtering is taking place, right? |
| 02:02.17 | Cide | in every case? |
| 02:03.15 | Cide | well, I suppose you get more function calls than if you do it in lua-land |
| 02:05.40 | cladhaire | thats up to you |
| 02:06.03 | Cide | yeah, I imagine it's not a huge performance loss either way |
| 02:06.23 | cladhaire | if you write your OnEvent functions as dispatch functions, then you get an extra call |
| 02:06.35 | cladhaire | if you have it do the job itself, then you are roughly equal |
| 02:07.36 | Cide | yeah. oh well |
| 02:08.36 | Iriel | The C dispatch is very fast but it does have to mess with the globals |
| 02:08.54 | Iriel | so you can outpace it if you try really hard, but in most cases I doubt the difference is measurable |
| 02:12.17 | End | hmm |
| 02:17.19 | End | gah, damn rogue needs to freakin stun |
| 02:17.46 | Lopeppeppy | Not like rogues have any stun moves, no.... *shakes head* |
| 02:17.56 | Esamynn | nope, none at all |
| 02:18.17 | End | I was chasing a rogue, trying to get him to stun me |
| 02:18.20 | End | but he kept running away |
| 02:18.32 | End | there's definitely something wrong with my trinket macro |
| 02:18.43 | End | sometimes when I try to use it, it just tells me I'm stunned |
| 02:18.49 | End | but... |
| 02:19.03 | End | it works sometimes |
| 02:27.30 | End | ah-hah |
| 02:27.33 | End | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:27.44 | End | or at least, Gatherer is where I look first :P |
| 02:28.02 | End | different issue though, petbar issue :( |
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| 02:47.29 | Esamynn | End: what are you blaming on Gatherer? |
| 02:47.46 | Shirik | all the evil in the world |
| 02:48.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | i saw gatherer choke a newborn kitten to death with its bare hands once |
| 02:48.28 | Shirik | not surprised |
| 02:48.45 | Lopeppeppy | Gruesome. |
| 02:49.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | so i just got some 86% cacao chocolate |
| 02:50.06 | Shirik | that stuff's actually good for you |
| 02:50.09 | Shirik | can't stand it though |
| 02:50.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't like dark chocolate normally |
| 02:50.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | but i like this stuff |
| 02:50.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's just so different from regular dark chocolate |
| 02:51.53 | Shirik | technically any chocolate over 60% is "dark" :) |
| 02:52.10 | Shirik | oh "regular" dark chocolate |
| 02:52.26 | Shirik | yeah 86% is pretty up there |
| 02:52.32 | Shirik | where'd you get it, world market? |
| 02:52.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | regular ordinary grocery store, kek |
| 02:53.46 | Lopeppeppy | There's some interesting "specialty" chocolates being marketed to regular grocery stores of late. |
| 02:54.51 | End | Esamynn: my petbar isn't showing up in combat sometimes, and even cogwheel's reappearingunitframes isn't helping. It might not be gatherer's fault, but the taintlog is implicating it |
| 02:54.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah like "whole bean chocolate" which kind of concerns me |
| 02:55.51 | End | (ReappearingUnitFrames just does the RegisterUnitWatch or whatever its called, that makes frames get shown when a unit starts existing, so I'm not sure why that's not helping) |
| 02:56.21 | Lopeppeppy | I sure don't want to eat the whole bean... not even when it's a chocolate covered coffee bean. |
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| 03:03.44 | End | oh, that's even better |
| 03:03.54 | End | apparently now my chat edit box broke |
| 03:04.13 | Lopeppeppy | Sweet traveling taint? |
| 03:04.23 | End | I guess! |
| 03:04.30 | End | can I just blame gatherer for that too? |
| 03:04.31 | End | :P |
| 03:04.44 | Cide | or CTRA |
| 03:04.50 | Lopeppeppy | Well.... You *can*, but should you? |
| 03:05.16 | End | I -know- for sure CTRA has caused taint issues for me in the past |
| 03:05.30 | Cide | of course, it's a monster |
| 03:05.33 | End | but, speaking of which (this is gonna suck) disable everything buy gatherer |
| 03:05.36 | End | and see if still happens |
| 03:05.39 | End | hehe |
| 03:05.51 | End | but* |
| 03:05.56 | Lopeppeppy | Nice song, zenzelezz. |
| 03:06.35 | End | hmm, grep would help here |
| 03:06.45 | zenzelezz | End: your taint just got Shirik as well |
| 03:06.49 | End | :( |
| 03:07.31 | End | lol, my taint log is 133 MB :( |
| 03:07.49 | zenzelezz | probably an OnUpdate |
| 03:07.56 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah... .mine is pretty big too, i should like.... look at it sometimes. |
| 03:07.57 | End | OnEvent actually |
| 03:08.02 | End | from XBar |
| 03:08.52 | Cide | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:08.56 | Cide | try it, I dare you |
| 03:09.22 | End | hmmm, how about not |
| 03:09.39 | Cide | actually, that doesn't work |
| 03:10.11 | Cide | oh yeah, it does |
| 03:10.39 | Cide | eventually it errors, but meh, you'll have a big enough taintlog by then |
| 03:11.04 | End | getting a big taintlog is not my problem :P |
| 03:11.17 | Cide | but it'll love you |
| 03:11.27 | Cide | and you it! |
| 03:11.35 | End | how bout...not! |
| 03:17.57 | End | does taintlog have different levels? |
| 03:18.15 | Cide | yes |
| 03:18.17 | Cide | 1 and 2 |
| 03:18.31 | End | and here I was running only 1 |
| 03:18.36 | End | time to go pvp some more I guess |
| 03:18.43 | Cide | 1 is the 'concise' level :P |
| 03:19.00 | Cide | it (attempts to, anyway) only prints relevant taint data |
| 03:19.06 | Cide | i.e. data related to a blocked action |
| 03:19.51 | End | yeah, well, I need to know the how :P |
| 03:20.24 | End | it's tainting UIParent_ManageFramePositions(), which everyone and their mother taints |
| 03:20.41 | Cide | because it does like.. everything |
| 03:21.18 | End | of course, now it's all like EquipCompare_TargetTooltip tainted a billion times |
| 03:21.21 | End | among other things |
| 03:21.45 | Cide | try my /script and you'll at least see a bit more diverse results |
| 03:21.51 | End | haha |
| 03:21.51 | End | no |
| 03:26.44 | Esamynn | End: care to share a taintlog with me then? |
| 03:28.17 | End | yeah, hold on |
| 03:31.48 | End | it occured to me, I didn't reload when I enabled it, so I started over |
| 03:41.23 | End | Esamynn: I think you are off the hook actually |
| 03:41.34 | Esamynn | :P |
| 03:41.34 | End | some addon was stealing gatherer's taint I think |
| 03:41.42 | Esamynn | oh? |
| 03:41.53 | End | well |
| 03:41.57 | End | now its fubar's fault :P |
| 03:42.01 | Esamynn | lol |
| 03:42.32 | Cide | that's fucked up |
| 03:43.10 | End | god, this is gonna be a bitch to figure out |
| 03:44.11 | End | I don't mix well with rum :o |
| 03:45.15 | Cide | oh, are you non-polar? |
| 03:45.20 | Cide | ~lart Cide |
| 03:45.20 | purl | hereby declares Cide a troll |
| 03:45.27 | Lopeppeppy | I can keep the rum, no worries. |
| 03:46.49 | malreth | did someone say rum? |
| 03:47.07 | Lopeppeppy | I surely did, malreth. Morgans and coke. |
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| 04:07.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Wow |
| 04:07.54 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3710152937&sid=1 |
| 04:07.56 | ScytheBlade1 | EPIC thread. |
| 04:08.01 | ScytheBlade1 | (For any mages out there.) |
| 04:13.12 | Cide | only one page - not epic enough |
| 04:13.36 | Lopeppeppy | Very fun though. |
| 04:18.17 | End | ugh, ok, I hate tracking down taint problems |
| 04:18.36 | Lopeppeppy | It's like sorting out spaghetti cables. |
| 04:18.54 | End | pretty much |
| 04:19.10 | End | except...you're blindfolded |
| 04:19.21 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr? |
| 04:19.47 | End | I'm sorting blindfolded |
| 04:19.50 | End | :P |
| 04:20.35 | Cide | Lopeppeppy is blindfolded, surely. |
| 04:20.38 | Lopeppeppy | NMK, but I do hope you enjoy your hobby. :P |
| 04:21.23 | Industrial | I don't mind the blindfolds but I'm worried about the spaghetti Cide. |
| 04:21.43 | Lopeppeppy | Spaghetti can get slippery. |
| 04:21.58 | Cide | especially when blindfolded |
| 04:22.02 | Industrial | who knows what happens, thats the fun! |
| 04:22.34 | Lopeppeppy | Hmm... have to put that on the Try This List. |
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| 04:32.14 | Rayne | Well ill ask here too |
| 04:32.28 | Rayne | Anyone have a Direct2Drive account, and Civilization 4 Warlords on it? |
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| 04:40.37 | Industrial | hmm |
| 04:41.13 | Industrial | I need 4 textures that are exactly the same as MainMenuBarTexture1 (the MainMenuBar actionbutton "slot" background) |
| 04:41.54 | Industrial | I have the texture name |
| 04:41.55 | Industrial | # |
| 04:41.56 | Industrial | <TexCoords left="0" right="1.0" top="0.58203125" bottom="0.75"/> |
| 04:42.01 | Industrial | but how do I do that with lua |
| 04:42.15 | Industrial | the whole mainbar is a big texture |
| 04:42.22 | Industrial | nterface\MainMenuBar\UI-MainMenuBar-Dwarf |
| 04:46.01 | dylanm | Huh? |
| 04:46.10 | dylanm | SetTexCoord. Not good enough? |
| 04:46.25 | Industrial | dylanm: er, right :> |
| 04:49.37 | dylanm | kk :) |
| 04:53.36 | Industrial | dylanm: |
| 04:53.45 | Industrial | http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/6017/wowscrnshot123007055251uz3.jpg |
| 04:53.47 | Industrial | getting there :) |
| 04:54.07 | dylanm | Ah, rolling your own. |
| 04:54.11 | Industrial | yeah |
| 04:54.14 | dylanm | Put in the murlox |
| 04:54.20 | Industrial | no. :P |
| 04:54.24 | Industrial | maybe the lion |
| 04:54.43 | Industrial | I also want an exp bar |
| 04:54.51 | Industrial | after that get the stance swapping working' |
| 04:54.59 | Industrial | (inly does modifier swapping now_) |
| 04:55.03 | Industrial | only* |
| 05:05.59 | Industrial | http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/4926/wowscrnshot123007060508si5.jpg |
| 05:06.01 | Industrial | compare :> |
| 05:27.30 | Industrial | http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/3135/wowscrnshot123007062625mg6.jpg |
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| 07:02.24 | Corrodias | so, where is the quickest honor to be found on a WSG weekend? i have a suspicion it's still AV |
| 07:16.19 | Lukian | Corrodias, running the flag yourself in WSG :p |
| 07:31.44 | Corrodias | god, it sure isn't EotS. we lost and the opposing team only got 160 honor. |
| 07:32.49 | Corrodias | that would take 42 solid hours of EotS, assuming equal wins to losses, to buy one s1 weapon. hahahah. no. |
| 07:34.26 | Corrodias | i'm on my hunter, not my druid |
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| 08:07.23 | Corrodias | it sure as hell isn't WSG. the game was even longer, and we only got about 80 honor |
| 08:17.05 | Thrae | "Look, I'd like to tell you that there is a glass ceiling in this company, and you've hit it. Frankly, we think women are for making babies. Long story short, I'm going to promote Gergonston to Team Leader." "But Gergonston only knows Java, and the project is in C++." "Yes." "And she's a woman." "Yes." "And I'm a man." "Right. Think about my scoring position here." "I don't think it's fair." "She plays on Xbox Live, my ... |
| 08:17.12 | Thrae | ... good man!" "...Oh, well then I guess I'd be lying if I said I wouldn't do the same in your shoes." <-- the truth about the gaming industry |
| 08:17.43 | Corrodias | huh |
| 08:18.39 | Corrodias | your truth is that women are disrespected but anyone who played on xbox live gets promoted higher than those who don't? |
| 08:18.40 | Thrae | Women are a luxury in the gaming industry ;) |
| 08:20.00 | Thrae | No, quite the opposite. The gaming industry is so geeky, they put all women on a pedestal, meaning they're still biased. |
| 08:20.39 | Corrodias | your.. your example seems to leave something out, here |
| 08:20.45 | Thrae | Except the gaming production industry. Those are all part of the same production industry, which is just pure evil and therefore makes no distinction between sexes. |
| 08:21.26 | Thrae | Gaming production industry is run by Satan himself. Wait. I might be spelling that wrong. Is it "Santa" or "Satan"? |
| 08:22.03 | Corrodias | ...ha? |
| 08:25.52 | Thrae | OK. Time to give my Christmas present out and redo my UI so I can start playing WoW again. |
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| 08:44.58 | Corrodias | "nice and easy" is apparently an "incredibly natural-looking" hair color product that has "3 tones built in". |
| 08:45.17 | Corrodias | apparently, some humans natually have tri-color hair |
| 08:45.37 | Thunder_Child | base, priamry and highlights |
| 08:45.40 | Thunder_Child | 3 |
| 08:46.09 | Corrodias | as far as i can tell, all of the people i have seen who don't use a color product only have one |
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| 08:47.17 | Thunder_Child | what you see and what there cant be different |
| 08:48.02 | Thunder_Child | ... |
| 08:48.09 | Corrodias | try again? |
| 08:48.12 | Thunder_Child | that you see and what there is can be different |
| 08:48.20 | Thunder_Child | s/that/what/ |
| 08:48.22 | Thunder_Child | damit |
| 08:48.55 | Corrodias | are you suggesting that humans come with 3 indistinguishable colors, or that there are humans with 3 distinct colors in their hair that i just haven't seen? |
| 08:49.30 | Thunder_Child | i never said distinct |
| 08:49.33 | NightHawkTheSane | most people's hair isn't entirely one consistent solid shade |
| 08:50.05 | Corrodias | although i suppose it's possible that i just don't notice subtle variations in somebody's hair |
| 08:50.15 | NightHawkTheSane | generally thats the case |
| 08:50.57 | NightHawkTheSane | most people have varying shades of colors in their hair, and hair color products try to reproduce that as much as they can |
| 08:51.31 | Corrodias | i wonder if i'd notice if they didn't |
| 08:52.16 | NightHawkTheSane | yes |
| 08:52.31 | Corrodias | it's a bit bold of you to assume i would, isn't it? |
| 08:52.39 | NightHawkTheSane | you're right, you could be blind |
| 08:52.49 | Thunder_Child | hair that doesnt have more than one shade would be cartoon colored hair |
| 08:52.55 | Thunder_Child | as an example |
| 08:53.13 | Corrodias | no, that would be hair without ambient light |
| 08:53.18 | Corrodias | no.. with ambient light |
| 08:55.35 | NightHawkTheSane | its actually really easy to see people who die their hair a solid color, it looks -extremely- off. |
| 08:57.14 | Corrodias | interesting |
| 08:57.14 | Thunder_Child | what i dont understand why people dont dye their eyebrows as well |
| 08:57.20 | Thunder_Child | just looks so odd |
| 09:00.02 | NightHawkTheSane | hmm, and i mean dye*. bah. i should sleep |
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| 10:05.12 | Corrodias | i desire to play more WoW right now |
| 10:05.18 | Corrodias | to work on getting my hunter a better bow |
| 10:06.07 | Corrodias | but the ONLY ways my hunter can work toward a bow right now are pvp for honor and running heroic steamvault or thrallmar rep instances. i hate pvp with fervor and nobody's doing runs at this time of night. |
| 10:07.45 | Corrodias | or work on ogri'la rep, which can't happen because i can't get a group to start the prereq quests |
| 10:14.58 | Corrodias | frustration! |
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| 10:49.51 | Mike-N-Go | haha |
| 10:50.23 | Mike-N-Go | I got kicked from a 5 man because my hunter had too much DPS, as well had the mod FreeMe to remove salv. |
| 10:51.07 | Mike-N-Go | Stupid guild. |
| 10:52.30 | wereHamster | why would you remove salv? |
| 10:53.06 | Mike-N-Go | Salv is the least useful blessing to a hunter, in my opinion. |
| 10:53.55 | Mike-N-Go | I can FD to drop aggro every 30 seconds. |
| 10:54.50 | Mike-N-Go | Unless I already have might/kings/wisdom, form 3 paladins in the raid/group, I rather take nothing then salv. |
| 10:55.14 | wereHamster | that makes no sense to me.. |
| 10:55.46 | Mike-N-Go | What clause? |
| 10:58.53 | haste | the part about having nothing at all |
| 10:59.02 | haste | just makes you sound like a twatt who wants to pull aggro |
| 10:59.06 | Mike-N-Go | Misdirection |
| 10:59.14 | Mike-N-Go | Makes my Misdirection weaker. |
| 10:59.41 | wereHamster | that you'd rather take no buff than salv |
| 11:00.00 | wereHamster | any buff > no buff |
| 11:00.14 | Mike-N-Go | Salv impeded misdirection |
| 11:00.34 | Mike-N-Go | That is however much % less aggro going to the tank. |
| 11:08.21 | Mike-N-Go | wereHamster: Salv is a debuff to misdirection, makes it less potent. |
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| 12:00.46 | wereHamster | I see now.. |
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| 12:02.18 | |Pixel| | 01:58 < trs`> c les yakuza |
| 12:02.18 | |Pixel| | 01:59 < trs`> '=0 |
| 12:02.22 | |Pixel| | miss |
| 12:09.59 | wereHamster | !vs eu arthas tuck eu marecage de zangar dandy |
| 12:10.02 | ThraeBot | wereHamster: I failed on the second listed character. You half-fail. |
| 12:10.33 | wereHamster | !vs eu arthas tuck eu marecage dandy |
| 12:10.33 | ThraeBot | wereHamster: I failed on the second listed character. You half-fail. |
| 12:11.07 | wereHamster | you fail ThraeBot, you don't accept names without french accents.. |
| 12:11.12 | Adys | !vs eu arthas tuck eu marécage de zangar dandy |
| 12:11.13 | ThraeBot | Adys: I failed on the second listed character. You half-fail. |
| 12:11.36 | Adys | He doesnt accept them with either. |
| 12:14.02 | zenzelezz | you sure it's the right name/realm? I don't think I see him on the armory |
| 12:17.39 | Fisker- | I just made 1550g on incompetent developers |
| 12:18.23 | Srosh | How so, Fisker-? |
| 12:18.57 | Fisker- | that Sealed Scroll Case from the vendor in Zul'Aman respawns |
| 12:19.09 | Fisker- | got boar's speed and felsteel longblade plans |
| 12:19.16 | Fisker- | Just sold it all for 1550g |
| 12:27.48 | Srosh | Nice, |
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| 12:47.33 | Corrodias | that does seem awfully cheap |
| 12:47.39 | Corrodias | i mean, 10s for the case |
| 12:49.54 | Fisker- | yeah :P |
| 12:50.04 | Fisker- | i thought it didn't respawn |
| 12:50.14 | Fisker- | but because we suck i found one later |
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| 13:13.46 | Srock | Hello everybody |
| 13:13.53 | Srock | is there anyone good with macros? |
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| 13:16.43 | Srock | my nelf druid macro wont unprowl me when i click it again: /cast [stance:3] Prowl; Shadowmeld(racial) |
| 13:17.18 | Srock | and when i tried it, even /cast Prowl -macro wont unstealth me when clicked again |
| 13:17.24 | Srock | "spell is not ready" it sais |
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| 13:24.25 | Srock | anybody? |
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| 13:33.22 | Mike-N-Go | Hi Srock |
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| 13:36.35 | Srock | hi :) |
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| 13:48.19 | Srock | does anybody know why /cast Prowl wont unstealth you when clicked twice, but Prowl-spell dragged from spellbook works? |
| 13:52.14 | zenzelezz | I don't suppose Prowl is some kind of "form"? |
| 13:54.07 | Lukian | Fisker-, approx timer? |
| 13:54.25 | [dRaCo] | prowl is like rogues stealth, so it internally prolly is a form |
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| 13:56.40 | zenzelezz | could try "/cancelform [stealth]" or something, no idea if it'd work |
| 14:05.49 | foxlit | Er, no |
| 14:05.56 | foxlit | Prowl is not like rogue stealth |
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| 14:12.11 | Srock | yeah, /cancelform puts me into casterform allways :( |
| 14:12.31 | mikma | yeah |
| 14:12.40 | mikma | that's the idea, prowl is not a form |
| 14:12.51 | Srock | yeah |
| 14:14.00 | Srock | its really odd imo that using prowl from spellbook works but /cast prowl wont |
| 14:17.01 | mikma | work as cancalling the prowl? |
| 14:17.35 | Srock | yes. they both cast prowl but only spellbook cancels it |
| 14:17.39 | Srock | when clicked twice |
| 14:19.23 | mikma | that's funny |
| 14:19.37 | mikma | but doesn't /cancelbuff Prowl work |
| 14:20.13 | nevcairiel | its /cancelaura |
| 14:20.38 | nevcairiel | its /cancelaura [stance:3,stealth]Prowl; [stealth]Shadowmeld |
| 14:20.41 | nevcairiel | -its |
| 14:21.35 | mikma | that wont' work correctly :O |
| 14:21.41 | nevcairiel | why not? |
| 14:21.54 | mikma | shadowmeld can't be used in catform afaik |
| 14:21.59 | mikma | it has always kicked me out of the form |
| 14:22.01 | nevcairiel | doesnt have to |
| 14:22.03 | mikma | or, nag |
| 14:22.30 | nevcairiel | he had /cast [stance:3] Prowl; Shadowmeld(racial) before |
| 14:22.35 | nevcairiel | my macro only cancels it |
| 14:23.09 | Srock | yeah, its just general "go to stealth"-macro |
| 14:23.18 | mikma | yeah lol it was cancelaura not cast |
| 14:25.04 | Srock | yeah, /cancelaura works :) |
| 14:25.06 | Srock | thanks :) |
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| 15:50.14 | morb | Just curious, is there a version of auctioneer that uses the 48 hour auction yet? |
| 15:51.33 | morb | ~auctstuff |
| 15:51.34 | purl | I know about the following topics (type one for more info): ~aucdeletesv, ~auctioneerbeta, ~auctioneersvn, ~auctfaq, ~auctdownload, ~auctinstall, ~auctupdate, ~enxstatus, ~norgjira, ~norgbug <nickname>, ~recruitingdrive, ~transferdata |
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| 17:08.28 | Shirik | Cide: ping |
| 17:08.34 | Cide | pong |
| 17:08.41 | Shirik | you know stuff about druid healing right? |
| 17:08.55 | Cide | yes |
| 17:09.13 | Shirik | What's the #1 thing that stands out at you when you read this? http://wowwebstats.com/fzdp64w16bgea?a=3 |
| 17:10.47 | dylanm | Bloom? |
| 17:11.05 | Cide | well, it's not a very standard way of druid healing |
| 17:11.30 | Cide | rejuv/lifebloom are way underused and swiftmend is almost never used |
| 17:11.36 | Shirik | so the first thing that stands out is the huge number of healing touches/low number of lifeblooms |
| 17:11.47 | dylanm | Right. |
| 17:12.02 | dylanm | The incredible amount of overheal on the HTs too |
| 17:12.05 | Shirik | thanks, I always write a paragraph about my healers after any run they do so I just wanted to make sure I wasn't talking out of my ass :P |
| 17:12.13 | Shirik | That's incredible? I usually hit 40% OH in Kara >< |
| 17:12.23 | Cide | I usually hit 0% OH in kara |
| 17:12.30 | Shirik | yeah well you have hots! |
| 17:12.34 | dylanm | Tell him to fucking bloom it up |
| 17:12.35 | Cide | nah, I just never do kara |
| 17:12.38 | Shirik | oh |
| 17:12.41 | Shirik | fail |
| 17:12.42 | Cide | lifebloom fucks with the OH numbers some :/ |
| 17:12.48 | Cide | otherwise I'd be at 0% still |
| 17:13.07 | Cide | and swiftmend too, but that shouldn't be used unless the tank is low-ish |
| 17:14.59 | Shirik | I'm not sure what Atlas was doing really, he's better than that. Unfortunately I wasn't there |
| 17:17.17 | Shirik | also, our website just got rolled back to october |
| 17:17.20 | Shirik | failing HDD ftl |
| 17:17.27 | Cide | nice backups there |
| 17:17.38 | Shirik | so all our old stats are gone =( |
| 17:17.45 | Shirik | Hey if I were administratin the site I would have them! |
| 17:17.52 | Shirik | but someone else does it >< |
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| 17:19.12 | Shirik | I blame bleeter |
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| 17:33.23 | Shirik|AFK | Osstia|home: http://www.wowwiki.com/API http://www.wowwiki.com/Widget_API |
| 17:33.47 | Osstia|home | yeah, I started there Shirik, its red |
| 17:34.12 | Osstia|home | but good morning to you |
| 17:35.47 | Shirik | morning :) |
| 17:36.14 | Cide | Shirik: can you think of a good way to turn all keys of a table into lowercase? |
| 17:37.38 | Shirik | hm |
| 17:37.44 | Shirik | yes |
| 17:38.43 | Cide | http://wow.pastey.net/79798 |
| 17:38.46 | Shirik | newTable = setmetatable({}, {__index = function(t,k,v) k = k:lower(); return oldTable[k];) |
| 17:38.48 | Cide | that's the best I can do |
| 17:38.52 | Shirik | er, with correct closing braces |
| 17:39.06 | Cide | I mean an existing table :P |
| 17:39.16 | Shirik | oh wait that's not even right |
| 17:39.18 | Shirik | yeah I know what you mean |
| 17:39.48 | Shirik | that looks like what I was thinking yes |
| 17:39.54 | Shirik | you encountered the same problem I had |
| 17:39.59 | Shirik | where you have to defer deleting until later |
| 17:40.05 | Cide | yep, which is ugly |
| 17:40.09 | Cide | because you have to do it at two places |
| 17:40.32 | Shirik | looks like the same problem I had with Conspiracy's signals >< |
| 17:40.50 | Cide | maybe I should just require people to pass lowercase keys |
| 17:40.53 | Shirik | I still haven't found a better solution unfortunately |
| 17:41.00 | Shirik | yeah you could throw an error in __newindex |
| 17:41.00 | Shirik | or |
| 17:41.08 | Shirik | have __newindex convert it to lowercase |
| 17:41.15 | Cide | nah, I'm receiving an existing table to a function |
| 17:41.16 | Shirik | (and then you'd probably want __index to do the same) |
| 17:41.18 | Shirik | ah |
| 17:41.48 | Cide | meh, I'll just enforce people to pass in lowercase |
| 17:41.54 | Shirik | there is one alternative solution |
| 17:42.13 | Shirik | it wastes a tiny bit of space but has little processing time except in worst-case scenarios |
| 17:42.43 | Cide | hmm? |
| 17:44.26 | Shirik | http://wow.pastey.net/79799 assuming you can spare __index |
| 17:45.04 | Cide | ah, yeah |
| 17:45.19 | Shirik | problem is worst case is that for a given key, 2 * originalSizeOfTable must be iterated over to find the value |
| 17:45.44 | Cide | aye |
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| 17:45.58 | Shirik | and that for every non-lowercase-key it will take a worst-case somewhere between originalSizeOfTable through 2 * originalSizeOfTable to find it |
| 17:46.10 | Shirik | So it ends up being, what, O(n^2) ? |
| 17:46.40 | Shirik | but at least you can have it remember so you only eat that penalty once |
| 17:46.56 | Shirik | it's like you spread out the penalty instead of eating it all at once, but you make the penalty a lot bigger too |
| 17:47.08 | Cide | yep |
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| 17:47.45 | Shirik | <3 kd3 |
| 17:47.58 | kd3 | think it's about time to retire my parents' 5-year-old router |
| 17:48.12 | Shirik | hey my parents still have their old linksys wireless B |
| 17:48.16 | Shirik | it mostly functions |
| 17:48.27 | kd3 | that's exactly what my parents are using |
| 17:48.30 | Shirik | hehe |
| 17:48.44 | Shirik | yeah ours has trouble too |
| 17:48.52 | Shirik | and it's kinda sad that the router can't keep up with the external internet |
| 17:49.09 | Shirik | Cox has 12Mbit down in their area |
| 17:49.14 | Shirik | and they're thinking about going to fiber actually |
| 17:49.22 | *** part/#wowi-lounge testleK (n=keltset@71.80.214.21) |
| 17:49.24 | Shirik | why, I don't know. If I were still there I'd do it, but they don't need it that fast >< |
| 17:49.54 | Thrae | n=Thrae@pool-71-179-171-91.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net <-- 15/2mbit, mmmm FIOS |
| 17:50.49 | Shirik | psh |
| 17:50.53 | Shirik | I'm impressed with Cox really |
| 17:50.57 | Shirik | that they can get that close to fiber |
| 17:51.02 | Lukian | Thrae, fix your bot :D |
| 17:51.14 | Shirik | they're really putting up a fight since Verizon is slowly taking over the area |
| 17:51.22 | Thrae | Lukian: What? |
| 17:51.27 | Shirik | !ar 1500 |
| 17:51.27 | ThraeBot | Shirik: Arena rating from 1500 points is, 2v2: 0, 3v3: 0, 5v5: 2984 |
| 17:51.30 | Shirik | works fine it seems |
| 17:51.48 | Lukian | !c US Jubei'Thos Sunsilk |
| 17:51.48 | ThraeBot | Lukian: Sunsilk is not the character you are looking for! |
| 17:51.49 | Shirik | damn, you get 1500 points for a 5v5 rating of 2984? |
| 17:51.54 | Shirik | Lukian: armory is broke |
| 17:52.03 | Lukian | yeah, but the bot can handle it |
| 17:52.14 | Thrae | Lukian: 9 times out of 10, it's the Armoury's fault |
| 17:52.16 | Shirik | so it's magically supposed to know the character does exist? |
| 17:52.30 | Thrae | !astats |
| 17:52.30 | ThraeBot | Thrae: OK, with latest successful response time of 0s. |
| 17:52.41 | Lukian | Your telling me it can't parse "awaiting refresh" out of that page? :P |
| 17:52.43 | Shirik | !c us drenden kimina |
| 17:52.43 | ThraeBot | Shirik: kimina is not the character you are looking for! |
| 17:52.49 | Shirik | ok actually, I just checked that thrae |
| 17:52.57 | Shirik | though it wasn't working earlier |
| 17:53.05 | Shirik | wait nm |
| 17:53.06 | Shirik | I made that up |
| 17:53.14 | Shirik | the armory faked out my browser making it look like it appeared |
| 17:53.21 | Shirik | then went back to "character awating refresh" |
| 17:53.36 | Thrae | "Character Awaiting Refresh" is new. |
| 17:53.36 | Shirik | Lukian: How is it supposed to know that character really isn't a year old? |
| 17:53.48 | Shirik | Thrae: It's been happening a lot in the last week or so |
| 17:54.02 | Shirik | probably some new error handler that is over-handling :P |
| 17:54.27 | Lukian | Shirik, "<ThraeBot> Lukian: Sunsilk is awaiting refresh!" |
| 17:55.04 | Shirik | !vs us drenden kimina us jubei'thos sunsilk |
| 17:55.04 | ThraeBot | Shirik: I failed on the first listed character. You fail. |
| 17:55.07 | Shirik | boo |
| 17:55.13 | Shirik | it should automatically let me win |
| 17:55.18 | Shirik | Thrae, code that in |
| 17:55.20 | Thrae | Lukian: Hmmm, did you try an Armoury search? There are TWO listings for Sunsilk on the same server, with different guilds! |
| 17:55.45 | Lukian | Thrae, yeah that's irrelevant, it displays that for a lot of characters |
| 17:55.46 | Shirik | that's pretty cool |
| 17:55.49 | Lukian | both urls are identical |
| 17:56.04 | Thrae | True, but it shows your character is messed up in the Armory database. |
| 17:56.19 | Shirik | I think everyone's character is messed up in the database |
| 17:56.31 | Lukian | yeah I just noted my Warlock and Hunter (played both in the last two days) are working |
| 17:56.40 | Lukian | but that character which I haven't really played, is not. |
| 17:57.09 | Shirik | I was on my priest yesterday |
| 17:57.14 | Shirik | random luck |
| 17:57.16 | *** join/#wowi-lounge lua_bot (n=lua_bot@65.98.12.195) |
| 17:57.23 | Shirik | lua> hug() |
| 17:57.25 | Lukian | Shirik, for how long though? |
| 17:57.29 | lua_bot | Shirik: [string "hug()"]:1: attempt to call global 'hug' (a nil value) |
| 17:57.32 | Shirik | a couple hours |
| 17:57.42 | Lukian | that should be plenty |
| 17:57.53 | Shirik | ~hug lua_bot |
| 17:57.54 | purl | ACTION hugs lua_bot tightly until lua_bot turns slightly blue |
| 17:59.07 | Shirik | sooo Cide |
| 17:59.11 | Shirik | what option did you choose? |
| 17:59.34 | Cide | "the coders can damn well input lowercase keys to start off with" |
| 17:59.38 | Shirik | rofl |
| 17:59.44 | Shirik | I'm going to ask #lua to see if they have any better ideas |
| 17:59.54 | Lukian | lua> print "2Halp!" |
| 17:59.55 | lua_bot | Lukian: 2Halp! |
| 18:00.10 | Lukian | there, now lua_bot really is blue |
| 18:00.27 | Cide | I'd go for making them lowercase if the users were to make use of it |
| 18:01.01 | Cide | but programmers should read the documentation.. they can cry all they want if they don't |
| 18:01.32 | Thrae | !mload armorystats |
| 18:01.32 | ThraeBot | Loaded [armorystats] |
| 18:01.52 | Thrae | !c US Jubei'Thos Sunsilk |
| 18:01.53 | ThraeBot | Thrae: Sunsilk is not the character you are looking for! |
| 18:02.01 | Thrae | Hmmm |
| 18:02.01 | MoonWolf | hmmm |
| 18:02.13 | Lukian | !c US Jubei'Thos Merlock |
| 18:02.14 | MoonWolf | someone have an email adress for cairenn lying about ? |
| 18:02.14 | ThraeBot | Lukian: Merlock, Level 64 Gnome Warlock (21/34/0). 8078 HP; 5917 Mana; 133 mana regen; 4 mp5; 29 spell crit; 411 +spell dmg; 5.20% dodge; 53 resilience; 10 arcane resist (+10); +27 all resists (+10 arcane);[[ TBR: 643 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/23dxrs ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2vmnwr ][ Updated: Sun Dec 30 13:06:46 2007 EST ]] |
| 18:02.29 | Thrae | !l US Jubei'Thos Merlock |
| 18:02.31 | ThraeBot | Thrae: Merlock's last login date is listed as 29 December 2007 on the Armory. [[ Link: http://tinyurl.com/23dxrs ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2vmnwr ]] |
| 18:02.52 | Lukian | Thrae, will that work for sunsilk or error? |
| 18:03.19 | Lukian | !l US Jubei'Thos Sunsilk |
| 18:03.20 | ThraeBot | Lukian: Sunsilk's last login date is listed as 29 December 2007 on the Armory. [[ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2g5veq ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/3bfljp ]] |
| 18:03.24 | Lukian | haha |
| 18:03.43 | Lukian | !l US Jubei'Thos Hornii |
| 18:03.45 | ThraeBot | Lukian: Hornii's last login date is listed as 25 December 2007 on the Armory. [[ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2a4dco ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2vbmgf ]] |
| 18:03.46 | Lukian | well it does work |
| 18:03.49 | Lukian | interesting |
| 18:04.54 | Lukian | Thrae, how hard would it be to cache copies of characters in the event they aren't available? :) |
| 18:06.22 | Thrae | !mload armorystats |
| 18:06.22 | ThraeBot | Loaded [armorystats] |
| 18:06.24 | Thrae | !l US Jubei'Thos Merlock |
| 18:06.25 | ThraeBot | Thrae: Merlock's last login date is listed as 29 December 2007 on the Armory. [[ Link: http://tinyurl.com/23dxrs ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2vmnwr ]] |
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| 18:06.27 | Thrae | Whoops |
| 18:06.42 | Thrae | !c US Jubei'Thos Sunsilk |
| 18:06.42 | ThraeBot | Thrae: Sunsilk is not the character you are looking for! |
| 18:07.08 | Lukian | How does it have a date for sunsilk when the armory has no displayed data? |
| 18:07.42 | Thrae | Lukian: Last Login parses differently |
| 18:07.55 | Thrae | Lukian: Characters are already cache'd |
| 18:08.18 | Lukian | for how long? |
| 18:09.35 | Thrae | The cache is reset if I need to reload the bot or the code for armorystats |
| 18:10.09 | Shirik | what's !1 ? |
| 18:10.49 | Lukian | Thrae, hehe, those things happen often I presume? :) |
| 18:11.56 | Thrae | Lukian: Not lately, but they're happening a lot now since you want me to add a "Character Awaiting Refresh" |
| 18:12.20 | Lukian | awesome :) |
| 18:13.42 | Cide | I want you to add a "I, for one, welcome our new Swedish overlord" every time someone tries to access my character |
| 18:14.06 | Thrae | Lukian: Looks like the cache is also flushed every 10 days too, which makes sense |
| 18:16.07 | Thrae | !mload armorystats |
| 18:16.34 | Thrae | Stupid ifs always need an 'end'. |
| 18:16.38 | Thrae | !mload armorystats |
| 18:16.38 | ThraeBot | Loaded [armorystats] |
| 18:16.44 | Thrae | !c US Jubei'Thos Sunsilk |
| 18:16.44 | ThraeBot | Thrae: Sunsilk is not the character you are looking for! |
| 18:18.16 | Shirik | !1 us drenden kimina |
| 18:18.22 | Shirik | fine then |
| 18:18.37 | Shirik | ohhh, that was a typo |
| 18:18.38 | Shirik | ok |
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| 18:18.44 | Shirik | !c us drenden kimina |
| 18:18.44 | ThraeBot | Shirik: kimina is not the character you are looking for! |
| 18:18.47 | Shirik | YES IT IS |
| 18:19.07 | Shirik | !mload armorystats |
| 18:19.10 | Lukian | !vs US Jubei'Thos Sunsilk US Drenden Kimina |
| 18:19.11 | ThraeBot | Lukian: I failed on the first listed character. You fail. |
| 18:19.13 | Lukian | NO U |
| 18:19.16 | Shirik | it won't let me do that huh =( |
| 18:19.31 | malreth | aaaah.... coffee. brownest of the caffeinated liquids. what? you want me to drink you? |
| 18:19.43 | Shirik | ~lart Maldivia |
| 18:19.43 | purl | slaps Maldivia upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
| 18:19.45 | Shirik | er |
| 18:19.48 | Shirik | ~lart malreth |
| 18:19.48 | purl | smacks malreth up side the head with a clue-by-4 |
| 18:22.30 | Shirik | omg it's so cold outside |
| 18:23.00 | Shirik | ~weather KPHX |
| 18:23.51 | malreth | ~weather KAUS |
| 18:24.00 | Shirik | wtb =( |
| 18:24.04 | malreth | aaah... so nice here |
| 18:24.08 | Shirik | ~weather kdab |
| 18:24.14 | Shirik | I want to go back to florida..... |
| 18:24.29 | malreth | then you have to live with the fact that you'd be in florida |
| 18:24.39 | Shirik | That's where I usually am... |
| 18:24.47 | zenzelezz | could be worse malreth |
| 18:24.50 | zenzelezz | he could be wishing for Texas |
| 18:24.56 | Shirik | or Sweeden |
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| 18:26.07 | Shirik | Cide's not watching =( |
| 18:26.13 | Cide | am now |
| 18:26.21 | Cide | but you misspelt it |
| 18:26.24 | Cide | so no cookie for you |
| 18:27.29 | Shirik | that's how I spell sweeden |
| 18:27.32 | Shirik | ~dict Sweeden |
| 18:27.42 | Shirik | ~wiki Sweeden |
| 18:28.00 | Shirik | yey |
| 18:28.14 | Cide | notice how it's spelt "Sweden" everywhere in that text |
| 18:28.22 | Shirik | but the URL is "Sweeden" |
| 18:28.59 | Cide | Sweden |
| 18:29.00 | Cide | From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia |
| 18:29.00 | Cide | (Redirected from Sweeden) |
| 18:29.04 | Shirik | oh well |
| 18:29.08 | Shirik | everyone else is wrong, I'm right |
| 18:29.10 | Shirik | %@#% |
| 18:29.46 | Cide | of course |
| 18:32.02 | malreth | i like shirik's philosophy. it's one that i follow as well. |
| 18:32.24 | malreth | also, it's one that i came up with first. |
| 18:32.48 | Shirik | no I did |
| 18:32.49 | malreth | he'll likely say otherwise but that's life when you're always right |
| 18:33.56 | Thrae | !mload armorystats |
| 18:33.57 | ThraeBot | Loaded [armorystats] |
| 18:33.59 | Thrae | !c US Jubei'Thos Sunsilk |
| 18:34.06 | Thrae | Crap |
| 18:34.39 | Shirik | FAILURE |
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| 18:35.02 | Thrae | !mload armorystats |
| 18:35.02 | ThraeBot | Loaded [armorystats] |
| 18:35.05 | Thrae | !c US Jubei'Thos Sunsilk |
| 18:35.06 | ThraeBot | Thrae: Sunsilk, Level 70 Night Elf Druid: armory cache miss. Play more, nubstick! (Incomplete data. Character may be awaiting refresh.) [[ TBR: ? ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2g5veq ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/3bfljp ][ Updated: Sun Dec 30 13:39:38 2007 EST ]] |
| 18:35.20 | Shirik | win |
| 18:35.26 | Shirik | vvery win |
| 18:35.38 | Thrae | !c US Jubei'Thos Merlock |
| 18:35.39 | ThraeBot | Thrae: Merlock, Level 64 Gnome Warlock (21/34/0). 8078 HP; 5917 Mana; 133 mana regen; 4 mp5; 29 spell crit; 411 +spell dmg; 5.20% dodge; 53 resilience; 10 arcane resist (+10); +27 all resists (+10 arcane);[[ TBR: 643 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/23dxrs ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2vmnwr ][ Updated: Sun Dec 30 13:40:11 2007 EST ]] |
| 18:35.46 | Thrae | OK, looks good. |
| 18:35.58 | Thrae | Problem was, it wasn |
| 18:36.13 | Thrae | It wasn't returning "Character Awaiting Refresh", it was returning SOME values |
| 18:41.19 | |Jelly| | !vs us burning legion jelly us drenden kimina |
| 18:41.19 | ThraeBot | |Jelly|: jelly vs kimina! It's a showdown! But wait! What's this?! Something random? kimina wins by 6721406 TBRs! Wow, that's GOTTA hurt. |
| 18:41.33 | |Jelly| | !vs us burning legion jelly us drenden kimina |
| 18:41.33 | ThraeBot | |Jelly|: I just said that 14s ago. |
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| 18:42.23 | Thrae | !vs us burning legion jelly us drenden kimina |
| 18:42.25 | ThraeBot | Thrae: I failed on the first listed character. You fail. |
| 18:42.46 | |Jelly| | !vs us burning legion jelly us drenden kimina |
| 18:42.46 | ThraeBot | |Jelly|: I just said that 22s ago. |
| 18:43.05 | Thrae | !c us burning legion jelly |
| 18:43.45 | Thrae | wait a sec |
| 18:43.55 | malreth | i don't want to wait! |
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| 18:44.15 | Shirik | |Jelly|: <3 |
| 18:44.24 | Shirik | I was going to ask you something but I forgot |
| 18:45.27 | |Jelly| | JELLY IS RAD! YOU ARE NOT! HELL YEAH! |
| 18:46.19 | Shirik | =( |
| 18:46.39 | Thrae | !mload armorystats |
| 18:46.39 | ThraeBot | Loaded [armorystats] |
| 18:46.42 | Thrae | !c us burning legion jelly |
| 18:46.44 | ThraeBot | Thrae: Jelly, Level 70 Blood Elf Priest: armory cache miss. Play more, nubstick! (Incomplete data. Character may be awaiting refresh.) [[ TBR: ? ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/yrmc88 ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2mw2d7 ][ Updated: Sun Dec 30 13:51:16 2007 EST ]] |
| 18:47.01 | |Jelly| | ...I play every day. lol |
| 18:47.04 | Thrae | OK, there we go. |
| 18:50.48 | foxlit | !mload, how I miss you :P |
| 18:51.51 | Thrae | foxlit: What, you changed the syntax? |
| 18:52.39 | foxlit | Slightly, yeah, along with the guts |
| 18:52.47 | foxlit | start/stop/reload |
| 18:53.18 | Thrae | Eh, I just used the same syntax with ThraeBot 2.0 |
| 18:53.26 | Olison | mmm, im looking for a addon that hides the location notification in the middle of the screen when changing zones, is such a mod known to #wowi-lounge ? |
| 18:54.10 | FlAWD | you can use some of the frame mover addons to move and maybe hide it |
| 18:54.14 | FlAWD | not sure though |
| 18:55.08 | wereHamster | anyone else using FF3? And do the armory tooltips work for you? |
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| 18:58.30 | End | wereHamster: I was for a while, and I don't think they did |
| 18:58.52 | End | I needed Web Developer Toolbar though, so I switched back to ff2 |
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| 19:00.47 | wereHamster | well, it's because armory fails to detect the FF3 UA string, and I'm wondering why it takes blizzard so long to fix that... |
| 19:01.07 | foxlit | Pre-release software, yeah? |
| 19:03.59 | dylanm | Are they honestly doing UA sniffing |
| 19:04.10 | dylanm | That's terrible |
| 19:04.21 | wereHamster | different java code based on the UA |
| 19:04.41 | wereHamster | IE javascript != FF javascript |
| 19:04.44 | dylanm | Object detection is your friend |
| 19:05.11 | Shirik | I like FF3 |
| 19:05.22 | Shirik | and no, the armory tooltips do not work |
| 19:05.26 | Shirik | (@ wereHamster ) |
| 19:05.27 | wereHamster | .. that would be my guess, but I honestly don't know why they do it |
| 19:05.33 | nevcairiel | but the armory in general is faster in FF3 :) |
| 19:05.52 | Shirik | gee I wonder why |
| 19:05.56 | Shirik | couldn't have anything to do with the lack of processing |
| 19:06.06 | nevcairiel | not really |
| 19:06.14 | nevcairiel | the new gecko engine is faster with ajax |
| 19:06.18 | wereHamster | Shirik, about:config -> set useragent extra to 'Firefox/2.0.0.1', that did the trick for me |
| 19:06.27 | Shirik | that's it? |
| 19:06.31 | Shirik | that's stupid |
| 19:06.37 | wereHamster | yes, just change the UA string |
| 19:06.54 | Cide | why is it terrible? |
| 19:07.41 | Cide | if IE could support javascript, xml/xslt and css worth a shit, they wouldn't have to |
| 19:07.51 | Shirik | it does.... |
| 19:07.54 | Cide | no it doesn't |
| 19:07.58 | foxlit | iirc, that's not the reason UA gets sniffed |
| 19:08.03 | Shirik | armory feeds the same thing for both IE and FF |
| 19:08.06 | foxlit | And FF/IE get the same data |
| 19:08.09 | Shirik | it feeds something different if it's not FF or IE |
| 19:08.13 | nevcairiel | oh and btw Shirik, now tooltips work, and its still fast =P FF2 generally crashed when using the armory |
| 19:08.16 | Cide | it didn't before |
| 19:08.26 | Shirik | yeah FF2 hated the armory :P |
| 19:09.02 | foxlit | I'd guess XSL in FF was slow |
| 19:09.43 | dylanm | Cide: Oh I agree that IE7 is still shit wrt. standards but really doing if (document.addEventListener) { .. } else if (document.attachEvent) { ... } isn't hard. |
| 19:09.55 | Cide | it's not *hard* |
| 19:10.04 | Cide | but it shouldn't be *necessary* |
| 19:10.11 | Cide | there's a standard for a fucking reason |
| 19:10.11 | dylanm | Does Armory use xsl on the client side? Yucky. |
| 19:10.17 | Cide | yes |
| 19:10.25 | nevcairiel | yeah you get a .xml stream |
| 19:10.26 | dylanm | Jesus are they trying to make it slow |
| 19:10.28 | nevcairiel | with the data |
| 19:10.43 | Cide | about 15x better than html |
| 19:10.45 | Shirik | imo it's faster |
| 19:10.51 | nevcairiel | less data to load |
| 19:10.53 | Shirik | think of all the data you don't have to transmit every time |
| 19:11.02 | Cide | plus you can cache the xsl too, right? |
| 19:11.05 | Cide | yeah |
| 19:11.07 | nevcairiel | just plain .xml with all data, and the .xsl stays the same |
| 19:11.22 | foxlit | Because XML vs HTML on broadband is so much of a difference. |
| 19:11.23 | Lukian | damn, Blood Elf males have some nice hair style options |
| 19:11.29 | dylanm | I hate that language with a fire that will never die. |
| 19:11.31 | Shirik | foxlit: You're looking at it from the wrong side |
| 19:11.32 | nevcairiel | foxlit: on their traffic.. ;) |
| 19:11.35 | Shirik | what about server side |
| 19:11.35 | Cide | foxlit: it's not about the client, but the server |
| 19:11.51 | Cide | besides, everyone who wants to parse and scrape the armory is eternally grateful for xml |
| 19:11.56 | nevcairiel | yea |
| 19:11.58 | foxlit | Throw more servers, blah blah blah. |
| 19:12.08 | Cide | why? |
| 19:12.40 | Cide | that's like saying using css is useless because everyone can afford the extra bandwidth |
| 19:12.41 | dylanm | I need to look at the armory source more. When I'm parsing character sheets I just rip out the JS strings. |
| 19:12.46 | nevcairiel | offload processing to the clients, or buy more servers |
| 19:12.48 | nevcairiel | mm^^ |
| 19:12.57 | Cide | they also gain a lot from separation of content and display logic |
| 19:12.59 | dylanm | Where's all this xml madness... is that for items? |
| 19:13.03 | dylanm | Certainly. That's the entire point. |
| 19:13.09 | nevcairiel | everything on the armory is .xml |
| 19:13.11 | dylanm | But God is XSL a cludge. |
| 19:13.11 | nevcairiel | character data |
| 19:13.13 | nevcairiel | spell data |
| 19:13.15 | nevcairiel | item data |
| 19:13.20 | foxlit | armory has spell data? |
| 19:13.26 | Cide | dylanm: it's not too bad |
| 19:13.27 | nevcairiel | talent tree :P |
| 19:13.46 | nevcairiel | ^ was what i meant |
| 19:13.47 | Shirik | can rogues use 1H swords? |
| 19:13.53 | nevcairiel | of course |
| 19:13.56 | foxlit | Shirik: no, no way. |
| 19:13.58 | foxlit | Only staves! |
| 19:14.01 | Shirik | hey |
| 19:14.02 | dylanm | Cide: I just don't like to use a markup language to do a boatload of logic. |
| 19:14.11 | Thrae | Shirik: Sword Rogues are pretty popular nowadays I hear |
| 19:14.14 | nevcairiel | XSL syntax is ftl |
| 19:14.20 | nevcairiel | but i guess i get why they use it |
| 19:15.10 | Cide | Shirik: I wonder.... can priests use cloaks? |
| 19:15.24 | Shirik | I hate you |
| 19:15.30 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 19:15.49 | Shirik | I know healers, ok? Even though my main is a hunter I barely know hunters (well, old hunter) |
| 19:15.55 | Shirik | s/old hunter/old main/ |
| 19:16.11 | nevcairiel | You raid, dont you? |
| 19:16.20 | Shirik | I don't pay attention to anyone except the healers :P |
| 19:16.27 | Cide | I think I know most classes pretty well |
| 19:16.31 | nevcairiel | i hope at least the tanks :P |
| 19:16.45 | Shirik | Well I pay ATTENTION to them |
| 19:16.49 | Shirik | just not how their class works |
| 19:16.57 | Shirik | I don't know rogue specs, etc. |
| 19:17.04 | Shirik | I don't even know the purpose of each rogue tree |
| 19:17.28 | NightHawkTheSane | it's simple.. damage, damage, and pretending to do damage, in that order. ;) |
| 19:17.31 | Shirik | and this is why I have so many alts right now |
| 19:17.37 | Shirik | to try to learn the other classes |
| 19:17.38 | dylanm | The purpose of every rogue tree is to have underachieving 41-pt talents |
| 19:17.52 | nevcairiel | I would claim that i have a basic knowledge about all classes too, just from playing 3 years and being raid lead for 1 year now.. |
| 19:17.56 | Shirik | I have a 25 warrior, 31 druid, and 9 rogue |
| 19:18.00 | dylanm | I'm kidding, or am I??? |
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| 19:28.27 | AnduinLothar | 9% is the 2h hit cap for lvl 73 bosses, right? |
| 19:28.48 | AnduinLothar | what's the cap for other players w/o any defense? |
| 19:29.12 | Shirik | hopefully they have SOME defense |
| 19:29.15 | Shirik | maybe 350 |
| 19:29.18 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 19:29.26 | nevcairiel | 5% |
| 19:29.27 | nevcairiel | iirc |
| 19:29.28 | AnduinLothar | w/o any extra def |
| 19:30.29 | nevcairiel | you have a 5% basic miss chance |
| 19:30.42 | AnduinLothar | any of the warrior arena gear have def onit? |
| 19:31.11 | nevcairiel | that would add dodge, where hit doesnt help anyway .. or does it? dont think so |
| 19:31.25 | End | hit wouldn't help |
| 19:31.28 | End | I think |
| 19:31.41 | End | hit would only help with the miss chance |
| 19:31.44 | nevcairiel | expertise helps against dodge |
| 19:32.08 | AnduinLothar | hit just helps against the extra miss chance from def |
| 19:32.18 | AnduinLothar | 350 def must be 5% miss |
| 19:32.24 | nevcairiel | nah |
| 19:32.26 | End | defense doesn't cause a miss though |
| 19:32.28 | nevcairiel | def doesnt give you miss |
| 19:32.34 | End | defense just causes dodges, parries, etc |
| 19:32.48 | End | miss your fault, dodge, parry, etc is your fault |
| 19:32.50 | End | er |
| 19:32.51 | nevcairiel | you have a basic miss chance of 5% against targets with the same def chance as your weapon skill |
| 19:32.52 | AnduinLothar | no, it adds miss too |
| 19:32.53 | End | miss your fault, dodge, parry, etc is their fault |
| 19:33.17 | End | well |
| 19:33.22 | End | I could be wrong I suppose |
| 19:33.27 | AnduinLothar | look at the tooltip |
| 19:33.48 | AnduinLothar | Decreases the chance to be hit and criticly hit by % |
| 19:33.48 | End | alas, I'm not in game, but I'll just assume you are probably right |
| 19:33.59 | AnduinLothar | == miss |
| 19:34.08 | nevcairiel | hm oh well, must be like really low chance |
| 19:34.23 | nevcairiel | anyway, pvp gear doesnt have def |
| 19:34.29 | AnduinLothar | it's the same chance as dodge/parry/block you get from def |
| 19:34.32 | End | although |
| 19:34.35 | End | hit still won't help |
| 19:34.38 | End | I think |
| 19:34.50 | AnduinLothar | it does, that's why you need 9% on bosses |
| 19:34.54 | AnduinLothar | they have more def |
| 19:35.05 | nevcairiel | because they are high level |
| 19:35.17 | End | I don't think it is the defense that is doing it though |
| 19:35.25 | Shirik | yes it is >< |
| 19:35.27 | End | again, I could be wrong, since I'm basing it off how spells work |
| 19:35.35 | End | but spells are really confusing, since it's resist both ways |
| 19:35.37 | AnduinLothar | it's 5 def per lvl |
| 19:35.41 | End | but not all resists are the same type of resist |
| 19:35.55 | Shirik | you need spell hit for raids too... |
| 19:35.57 | AnduinLothar | 73 has 365 def |
| 19:35.57 | End | yes |
| 19:36.11 | nevcairiel | but its not only the defense |
| 19:36.11 | End | but if the boss causes resist by resistance your hit wont help |
| 19:36.15 | nevcairiel | its not linear anyway |
| 19:36.17 | AnduinLothar | plus the level factors into the equation |
| 19:36.18 | End | but if your spell misses |
| 19:36.19 | nevcairiel | according to wowwiki |
| 19:36.26 | End | then its your fault for not having hit gear |
| 19:36.30 | End | thus, why it is so confusing |
| 19:36.36 | nevcairiel | 71 is 5.5%, 72 is 6%, and 73 jumps to 9% |
| 19:37.07 | AnduinLothar | link page? |
| 19:37.08 | End | (they really should just say your spell misses instead of resists...) |
| 19:37.11 | nevcairiel | http://www.wowwiki.com/Miss |
| 19:37.18 | nevcairiel | guess in pvp its different |
| 19:37.29 | End | pvp isn't as harsh I think? |
| 19:37.47 | nevcairiel | you get 0.04 miss for every defense point |
| 19:37.52 | nevcairiel | (according to that page) |
| 19:37.59 | End | interesting |
| 19:38.05 | nevcairiel | so a full def warrior with 500 defense |
| 19:38.15 | nevcairiel | lua> 150*0.04 |
| 19:38.15 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: 6 |
| 19:38.20 | nevcairiel | 6% miss :P |
| 19:38.29 | AnduinLothar | you also get 0.04 -crit |
| 19:38.35 | AnduinLothar | which is why you need 490 |
| 19:38.39 | AnduinLothar | to be crit immune |
| 19:38.46 | nevcairiel | but who wears def gear in bgs anyway |
| 19:38.51 | nevcairiel | and arena equip only has resilience |
| 19:39.36 | End | I don't think defense helps with spells anyways, which I think is where resilience helps more there anyways |
| 19:39.42 | nevcairiel | yeah |
| 19:39.47 | nevcairiel | def is useless against spells |
| 19:39.54 | Shirik | yup |
| 19:40.03 | Shirik | but level factors into resistance calculations |
| 19:40.19 | JoshBorke | nevcairiel: you're useless |
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| 19:40.36 | nevcairiel | i was at Karazhan with my warlock alt, with like 2% spell hit, i had so many resist it wasnt funny anymore :( |
| 19:40.46 | nevcairiel | JoshBorke: says who |
| 19:40.50 | End | is wowwiki up to date? their examples don't explain how +hit factors in at all |
| 19:40.51 | JoshBorke | nevcairiel: everyone |
| 19:41.01 | nevcairiel | End: probably not |
| 19:41.03 | End | they mention weapon skill though |
| 19:41.08 | End | which, isn't as common anymore |
| 19:41.17 | nevcairiel | weapon skill got replaced by expertise |
| 19:41.29 | End | ok, it doesn't exist at all I guess :P |
| 19:41.49 | End | except, expertise does spefically counteract things defense does |
| 19:41.52 | nevcairiel | only weaponskill exisiting is your base stat you level while playing |
| 19:41.54 | End | well, dodge and parry at least |
| 19:42.05 | nevcairiel | not on items anymore |
| 19:42.17 | End | and I think it might at crit? I might be wrong though |
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| 19:42.33 | End | guess it doesn't help with crit |
| 19:42.43 | nevcairiel | nah, it only counters dodge and parry |
| 19:42.51 | nevcairiel | very good for tanks |
| 19:43.17 | nevcairiel | for melee dps only for the dodge, enemys shouldnt parry from behind |
| 19:43.23 | End | yea |
| 19:43.46 | nevcairiel | altho in pvp you cant dodge from behind either, but npcs can |
| 19:43.48 | nevcairiel | so.. :P |
| 19:43.57 | End | so it's a pve skill mostly? |
| 19:44.16 | nevcairiel | dunno how good it is in pvp |
| 19:44.16 | Lonny | Yeah it is |
| 19:44.25 | nevcairiel | not that up2date on pvp theorycrafting for melees |
| 19:45.04 | End | the only melee player I ever really played was a feral druid, and things tend to act a bit different for druids |
| 19:45.40 | End | (plus, I stopped playing him before expertise was added) |
| 19:46.09 | Lonny | Well druids can't parry, although dodge is good enough to maintain aggro |
| 19:47.18 | nevcairiel | i got some expertise on my dps gear because i am already hit capped and the dodges annoy me |
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| 20:02.23 | Thrae | !mload items |
| 20:02.23 | ThraeBot | Loaded [items] |
| 20:02.25 | Thrae | !mload armorystats |
| 20:02.25 | ThraeBot | Loaded [armorystats] |
| 20:02.28 | Thrae | !ge us maelstrom thrae, main hand |
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| 20:02.31 | ThraeBot | Thrae: Thrae, Level 59 Night Elf Druid (1/41/8); Main hand: [Primal Lore-Staff]; Rarity: Uncommon (Green); BoE; Two-Handed Staff; 151 - 238 dmg; 3.5 delay; 55.55714 dps; <Random Enchant>; Requires L59; 85 Durability; |
| 20:02.31 | ThraeBot | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:02.50 | Thrae | Gah eeevel bot |
| 20:03.20 | Thrae | What the heck does "!ge" stand for in batbot? |
| 20:04.00 | Thrae | Don't tell me "google", as that should be "!go" or "!g" |
| 20:04.04 | Thrae | !g foo |
| 20:04.05 | batbot | Thrae: Foo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foo> |
| 20:04.40 | Thrae | !gear us maelstrom thrae, back |
| 20:04.42 | ThraeBot | Thrae: Thrae, Level 59 Night Elf Druid (1/41/8); Back: [Blackveil Cape]; Rarity: Rare (Blue); BoP; Type: Back; +14 Agility; +6 Strength; Requires L48; Drops off: High Interrogator Gerstahn (Blackrock Depths); Drop Rate: High.|| Item: http://tinyurl.com/2bgj85 || Char: http://tinyurl.com/ypmert || Updated: Sun Dec 30 15:09:14 2007 EST |
| 20:06.48 | foxlit | Hm, this bugs me |
| 20:07.18 | foxlit | f("Netherwind Gloves", "Netherwind Robes") == "Netherwind"; f("Armor of the Bold", "Gauntlets of the Bold") == "of the Bold" |
| 20:08.34 | foxlit | My f implementation is at http://wowi.pastey.net/79807, and it looks rather horrible |
| 20:12.18 | nevcairiel | is the number of words always the same in all set pieces? |
| 20:13.11 | foxlit | Probably, but I don't think I assume that |
| 20:13.33 | nevcairiel | no you dont, but you could to simplify it, i guess |
| 20:14.04 | Ktron | foxlit, what are you trying to get f to return? |
| 20:14.20 | foxlit | foxlit: f("Netherwind Gloves", "Netherwind Robes") == "Netherwind"; f("Armor of the Bold", "Gauntlets of the Bold") == "of the Bold" |
| 20:14.25 | foxlit | normal function notation :) |
| 20:15.00 | foxlit | In context, the part of the item name shared between two set items, and thus likely to be present in all other set items as well |
| 20:15.03 | End | the way I'd want to implement it would work well in C, but not in lua :P |
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| 20:16.07 | End | well, I suppose it wouldn't work -that- bad in lua |
| 20:16.56 | End | incidently, I don't think all sets work that way |
| 20:17.14 | End | sure you don't have the itemid or something? so you can just check the tooltip? |
| 20:18.06 | foxlit | That isn't actually going on in WoW |
| 20:18.17 | End | ah |
| 20:18.28 | foxlit | item id -> item name lookup is relatively expensive when you ask the armory, so I'd like to be able to perform it for the whole set at once |
| 20:18.41 | foxlit | Though I may actually be misguided |
| 20:18.50 | End | well, some sets do work different |
| 20:18.56 | End | but those are all non-tier sets |
| 20:18.57 | foxlit | Name some :) |
| 20:19.08 | End | the ring/neck caster one I think? |
| 20:19.13 | End | boe |
| 20:19.31 | foxlit | ah, yes, different suffixes |
| 20:19.37 | End | Lola's Eve and Charlotte's Ivy |
| 20:20.04 | foxlit | But anyway, worst case scenario is that I win nothing :) |
| 20:20.11 | End | also, the CC mini class sets (from AQ20 idols) don't work either |
| 20:20.20 | End | I think they don't at least |
| 20:20.22 | foxlit | Yeah, they do, suffix. |
| 20:20.25 | End | they do? |
| 20:20.25 | End | bah |
| 20:20.34 | End | well, I gave you one that doesn't work at least :P |
| 20:20.57 | End | some of the ZG stuff doesn't work :P |
| 20:21.06 | foxlit | the rings, probably |
| 20:21.08 | End | yes |
| 20:21.13 | End | well |
| 20:21.18 | nevcairiel | and the rings of the T3 sets |
| 20:21.19 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 20:21.23 | End | I wasn't thinking of that actually :P |
| 20:21.24 | End | but rings too |
| 20:21.41 | End | I was thinking 5 piece sets |
| 20:21.44 | End | 3 pieces work |
| 20:21.50 | End | but trinket and neck don't |
| 20:22.16 | foxlit | And if the randomly-assigned comparison picks the wrong items, I lose |
| 20:22.53 | Cide | check the levenshtein distance first? |
| 20:23.08 | foxlit | Hm, no, armory doesn't provide ids for set items on a single item's page |
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| 20:24.55 | End | I wonder if there is a set with non-consequentive item ids |
| 20:25.03 | End | (probably is) |
| 20:25.58 | Cide | definitely |
| 20:27.46 | End | I noticed newer sets tended to be consecutive (at least some of them), but older sets are probably less organized |
| 20:31.50 | |Jelly| | !c us burning legion jelly |
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| 21:31.20 | AnduinLothar | check out this awesome glitch: http://www.karlkfi.com/WoW/Blades_Edge_ground_colors.mov |
| 21:31.29 | AnduinLothar | mmm sec |
| 21:32.27 | AnduinLothar | serve blew up |
| 21:36.31 | AnduinLothar | weird, was working yesterday |
| 21:39.27 | End | so, the really fun part about losing -all- your spells on ptr is losing your mount :P |
| 21:41.19 | AnduinLothar | >.< |
| 21:47.57 | End | for my warlock, it costs almost 300 gold to train all spells from level 1 to 70 |
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| 21:57.56 | Ktron | Time to pick out components and build my next PC |
| 21:58.49 | AnduinLothar | always fun |
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| 21:59.45 | bleeter | the bit I like is where I haven't paid attention to PC arch for two years and have nfi on the new acronyms |
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| 21:59.59 | bleeter | has happened pretty much every couple of years since I care to remember |
| 22:00.12 | zenzelezz | just look at the highest prices, "that must be the good stuff" |
| 22:00.26 | zenzelezz | then look it up online after you've received it and you're getting horrible performance |
| 22:01.00 | bleeter | and realise it's all been 'known issue to be fixed in future patch' since two months before you started looking :/ |
| 22:01.44 | Ktron | I usually do a pretty good job of researching the hell out of the components I buy |
| 22:01.59 | Ktron | however, last machine I did realize the value of tech support |
| 22:02.45 | Ktron | I bought a component that performed well and rarely shipped DOA, mine started acting weird about a year in and the company I bought from the mobo from had all but disbanded |
| 22:02.56 | Ktron | Amigas rocked |
| 22:03.46 | zenzelezz | I research a specific component once, then not again until I buy a new one of the same brand that doesn't live up to expectations |
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| 22:05.03 | bleeter | Ktron: 'cept the 2000.. but only 'coz that was a beast of a thing to open up and put back together |
| 22:05.08 | zenzelezz | been using Epox motherboards for an eternity, but couldn't find any in the local webshops when I upgraded this time :-/ |
| 22:05.52 | bleeter | I swear I took one apart once, put it back together, didn't have enough screws. took it apart again, put it back together, had too many screws... pulled it apart put it back together, not enough screws... damnit, worked, nothing fell out when I shook it ;) |
| 22:06.29 | Ktron | when I had an amiga the most I wanted to do inside of it was replace the fuse |
| 22:07.33 | Ktron | and I think I had a... 1300? If those existed? |
| 22:08.27 | bleeter | sounds vaguely familiar |
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| 22:14.22 | Furl | This is becoming incredibly fun |
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| 22:15.37 | AnduinLothar | there we go, fixed apache |
| 22:15.42 | AnduinLothar | it was being finicky |
| 22:15.54 | AnduinLothar | couldn't find my dav_svn_module |
| 22:16.11 | Thrae | Thanks for the recode of Apache, AnduinLothar. It was well needed. |
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| 22:16.19 | AnduinLothar | >.> |
| 22:16.22 | AnduinLothar | <.< |
| 22:16.26 | AnduinLothar | you're welcome? |
| 22:16.37 | Corrodias | what is fun, Furl? |
| 22:16.45 | AnduinLothar | nah, what's really needed is better docs! |
| 22:16.52 | Furl | Uploading every... single... one |
| 22:17.10 | Corrodias | i don't get it. you're uploading a map? |
| 22:17.17 | Furl | Yarr |
| 22:17.27 | Furl | That was an early prototype of what I actually have now |
| 22:17.59 | Furl | I plan for just something where you can have a link and it wil have the base minimap and an overlay displaying selected coordinates specified by the link |
| 22:18.02 | AnduinLothar | on the plus side 10.5 came with dav_svn_module and mod_authz_svn installed, but not configured, so I just had to load them, as oppossed to when I built apache 2.2.4 and neither of those files wer eincluded >.< |
| 22:20.12 | Furl | Just something like in forum links. |
| 22:20.17 | Furl | &| personal use |
| 22:23.47 | Furl | Ends up being |
| 22:23.53 | Furl | 250 megs. |
| 22:24.22 | AnduinLothar | down sample them |
| 22:24.33 | Furl | png is supreme. |
| 22:24.36 | Furl | Oh and |
| 22:24.40 | Furl | I don't do that |
| 22:24.45 | Furl | >.> |
| 22:26.39 | Furl | lua> (250*1024*1024)/(22*1024) |
| 22:26.39 | lua_bot | Furl: 11636.363636364 |
| 22:26.58 | Furl | lua> 11636/60 |
| 22:26.58 | lua_bot | Furl: 193.93333333333 |
| 22:27.15 | Iriel | AnduinLothar: The bundled app server components in 10.5 were delicious. |
| 22:27.17 | Furl | Enough time for a cuple movies. |
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| 22:28.13 | Iriel | HP forcing me to buy a new printer because I went to 10.5 not so delicious, but the new printer is much cooler than the old one, so a net gain I suppose. |
| 22:28.42 | Iriel | And it's not made by HP |
| 22:28.57 | bleeter | Iriel: give old printer plzkthx |
| 22:28.59 | AnduinLothar | printers are cheep with lots of extras now |
| 22:29.11 | Iriel | bleeter: If you lived nearby you could have it |
| 22:29.14 | Iriel | bleeter: I suspect you dont |
| 22:29.33 | Iriel | AnduinLothar: Good photo ones aren't so cheap |
| 22:29.37 | bleeter | I ain't on bleedin' Pluto... git those arms flappin' |
| 22:29.39 | Iriel | AnduinLothar: But they're still not ridiculous |
| 22:29.50 | Furl | Heh |
| 22:30.04 | AnduinLothar | eh, I've found printing photos to be pointless |
| 22:30.21 | AnduinLothar | you can just go down to target and have them made directly off your mem card for cheeper and better quality |
| 22:31.05 | Iriel | If you're printing photographs for framing that's likely not the case. |
| 22:31.43 | AnduinLothar | well the problem with printing them yourself is that you can never get the setting perfect on the first try |
| 22:31.55 | AnduinLothar | so you end up wasting ink and paper getting it right |
| 22:32.02 | AnduinLothar | which makes it cost more |
| 22:32.19 | bleeter | bring on colour e-paper |
| 22:32.21 | Iriel | True, but with a properly calibrated flow, you're done once and can use that information going forward, so it's not an incremental cost |
| 22:32.44 | Iriel | Plus there's no guarantee that your vendor uses the same color correction as you do (especially if it's somewhere like target) |
| 22:32.45 | Corrodias | we got a Canon... what was it, something like 6700P |
| 22:32.49 | Corrodias | beautiful printer |
| 22:32.51 | Iriel | PIXMA Pro 9000 |
| 22:33.02 | Iriel | I'm really impressed with it so far |
| 22:33.04 | Corrodias | i6700? |
| 22:33.05 | AnduinLothar | target just uses those machines they buy from kodac, they're fairly standard |
| 22:33.16 | Iriel | I just need to find somewhere to buy 11 x 19 paper |
| 22:33.26 | Iriel | then I can really see how good it is 8-) |
| 22:33.53 | Corrodias | well, i need to go to work for a while. see ya. |
| 22:33.54 | Iriel | Slotting in all 8 ink cartridges was a lot of fun, and I really like that the print head itself is removal and replacable. |
| 22:35.04 | AnduinLothar | fancy |
| 22:36.55 | AnduinLothar | my gf got an all in one recently on sale for $60, had a flat bed scanner/copier and a small lcd and card reader |
| 22:37.08 | Iriel | HP's print-heads-on-the-ink are nice as they avoid having to throw the whole printer away when one fails but it's a bit wasteful in normal use. |
| 22:37.22 | AnduinLothar | makes them more expensive too |
| 22:39.09 | AnduinLothar | i've also noticed some newer printers just storing the amount of ink they have on a mem chip and not actually checking the ink lvl, which is a bit waste full |
| 22:39.37 | AnduinLothar | so they wont print if they've printed enough pages so that they THINK they're out of ink |
| 22:39.56 | Iriel | Yeah, that also is annoyin |
| 22:39.58 | Iriel | +g |
| 22:40.09 | Iriel | the 'cheap' printer market is a huge scam from almost all angles |
| 22:40.26 | AnduinLothar | i also prefer multiple color ink carts cause they never run out at the same time |
| 22:41.39 | Iriel | I guess in a year i'll see if I find the canon has changed my ink buying significantly |
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| 22:52.01 | AnduinLothar | damn it, my computer froze again |
| 22:52.04 | AnduinLothar | this ram hates me |
| 22:53.31 | AnduinLothar | check out this color error too in wow: http://72.211.199.75:82/blog/WoW/Blades_Edge_ground_colors.mov |
| 22:53.36 | Iriel | http://badass.cheeseplant.org/~daniel/images/MmmInks.jpg |
| 22:54.36 | AnduinLothar | i ran a full memtest yesterday tho and got no errors |
| 22:54.53 | Iriel | AnduinLothar: Are you seeing anything in the system logs? |
| 22:55.59 | AnduinLothar | gotta find um |
| 22:56.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | CMYK cartridges, 100 bucks per cartridge if they're first party |
| 22:57.06 | Iriel | I've yet to find a color laser that does color well enough for framing |
| 22:57.28 | art3mis | get a colour phazer |
| 22:57.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | iriel: it's pretty crisp |
| 22:57.43 | Iriel | Even the phazers were only 'decent' compared to a modern inkjet |
| 22:57.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's not inkjet quality for photos but i never print photos |
| 22:57.51 | Iriel | I haven't played with a phazer in the last 5 years tho |
| 22:57.52 | art3mis | my lexmark c540 is pretty nice too |
| 22:57.58 | Iriel | I love laser printer output for crisp technical stuff |
| 22:58.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's pretty damn nice though |
| 22:58.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's perfect for printing out artwork and drawings |
| 22:58.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | photo color isn't perfect but it's better than most mid-end inkjets |
| 22:58.24 | Iriel | Yeah, line art + laser = tasty |
| 22:58.28 | art3mis | the gelthey've gotten a lot better |
| 22:58.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | the gelthey've |
| 22:58.47 | art3mis | fergot the word "ones" |
| 22:59.01 | art3mis | the ones with the gel strips |
| 22:59.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | i dunno what mine uses but the cartriges are huge |
| 22:59.46 | Iriel | Lasers are generally just toner powder |
| 22:59.48 | art3mis | i only get about 4k per cart from my lexmark if i print in ultra high quality |
| 23:00.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | this one's really, really damn crisp |
| 23:00.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | considering the price |
| 23:00.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | it was like 400 bucks, that's the cost of 4 carts |
| 23:00.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | (which it came with) |
| 23:01.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | and it has wireless networking options and double-side printing options |
| 23:01.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | as addons |
| 23:01.21 | art3mis | iriel: http://www.direct.xerox.com/direct/public/products/xerox_product_details.cfm/product/xerox_8560__N_printer.html |
| 23:01.26 | art3mis | the phazer solid inks |
| 23:01.39 | art3mis | are like that gel paper you put over spotlights |
| 23:01.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | i dunno what this is |
| 23:01.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | but it's like |
| 23:01.55 | art3mis | they even have chromo inks |
| 23:02.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | DO NOT LET THE CARTRIDGES STAY IN LIGHT ALERT ALERT |
| 23:02.13 | art3mis | like silver and stuff to make "hologram" style prints |
| 23:02.23 | art3mis | heh no but so pretty ;) |
| 23:02.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | like, if you let them sit in the light for 5 minutes, they're unusable, apparently |
| 23:02.39 | art3mis | nah it's not that bad |
| 23:02.50 | Iriel | Mr_Rabies2: Toner melts if you get it too hot |
| 23:02.58 | art3mis | it's essentially like those little kodak photo printers |
| 23:03.03 | Iriel | Mr_Rabies2: Which is basically how it works in the first place |
| 23:03.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | this is more about light than heat apparently |
| 23:03.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah |
| 23:03.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | you have to get it from open box to inside printer in 5 minutes |
| 23:03.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | or it's toast, apparently |
| 23:03.36 | Iriel | It's almost certainly light creating heat, unless the light sensitive transfer roller is in the cartridge and exposed can be damaged |
| 23:03.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah i think it is, iriel |
| 23:03.46 | Iriel | I dont know where they put it |
| 23:03.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | it has like |
| 23:03.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | a little purple strip thing |
| 23:03.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | at the bottom |
| 23:04.07 | art3mis | i lurv my lexmark printers though |
| 23:04.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | i think the paper rolls through the carts |
| 23:04.15 | Iriel | the paper rolls past them |
| 23:04.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | one at a time |
| 23:04.17 | Iriel | usually |
| 23:04.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah |
| 23:04.29 | art3mis | 5-10 seconds from printer to done on full colour multi pages |
| 23:04.39 | art3mis | err from button press |
| 23:04.43 | Iriel | there's a light sensitive roller which holds a static charge (or loses one) based on whether it was illuminated by the laser |
| 23:04.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | this one's kinda slow but not too bad |
| 23:04.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | not for a color laser |
| 23:04.56 | Iriel | that picks up particles of toner, then deposits them on the page, then they're heated to fuse with the paper |
| 23:05.09 | art3mis | i honestly dont know why people buy inkjets anymore |
| 23:05.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | photos are about it |
| 23:05.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | and cheapness |
| 23:05.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | they look cheap |
| 23:05.27 | art3mis | the price difference isnt even remotely worth it |
| 23:05.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | hey look, printer for 50 bucks awesome |
| 23:05.29 | Iriel | because inkjets do continuous color very very well, and they've got low incremental costs |
| 23:05.39 | Iriel | for folks who dont do a lot of printing |
| 23:05.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | but you'll have to pay a good 100 a month for carts |
| 23:05.46 | art3mis | i suppose |
| 23:05.54 | Iriel | High volume users go with lasers |
| 23:05.55 | AnduinLothar | depends on how much you print |
| 23:06.17 | art3mis | but take a cheap inkjet and top on $100 worth of carts on average about every 2-3 months |
| 23:06.31 | art3mis | ad in 6 months you're already more than a laser |
| 23:06.38 | AnduinLothar | at college i only use it to print like papers (not often - cs major) and google map directions... |
| 23:07.00 | AnduinLothar | and my printer was free 5 yrs ago, lol |
| 23:07.07 | art3mis | heh |
| 23:07.22 | art3mis | i think i might sell my c510n though |
| 23:07.36 | art3mis | and just get a tiny profile colour |
| 23:07.40 | AnduinLothar | my parents obught a laser recently tho |
| 23:07.51 | art3mis | they still resell around 450(got it for 250 on sale) |
| 23:08.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | printers are the razors of the computer world |
| 23:08.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | low cost for the base, high cost for the refill |
| 23:08.22 | art3mis | print carts are about 89-119 per, get roughly 3000 prints |
| 23:08.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | in some cases it's cheaper to buy multiple versions of the same printer than refill it monthly |
| 23:08.27 | AnduinLothar | how do you refill a razor? |
| 23:08.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | AnduinLothar: blades |
| 23:08.39 | art3mis | laugh |
| 23:08.41 | AnduinLothar | oh that razor |
| 23:08.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | razors themselves are cheap as fuck |
| 23:08.46 | AnduinLothar | was thinkign phone |
| 23:08.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's razr |
| 23:08.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | ugh |
| 23:08.53 | art3mis | when he wsaid razor in my brain i heard a chinese guy say laser ;P |
| 23:09.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | I KIW JOO WIF MY RAZOR GUN |
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| 23:42.22 | Osstia|home | If I want a button to close my frames and I have multiple frames, can I create a template and just use that for each drame? |
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| 23:44.21 | AnduinLothar | like the x box? |
| 23:44.25 | Osstia|home | yep |
| 23:44.31 | AnduinLothar | just use the x box |
| 23:44.35 | AnduinLothar | and yes |
| 23:45.11 | Osstia|home | I'd love to use the x box |
| 23:45.30 | Osstia|home | can i just create a button and inherit the x box? |
| 23:45.36 | AnduinLothar | yup |
| 23:45.38 | Mike-N-Go | Why is the Armory throwing 'Character Data Awaiting Refresh' all so often.. |
| 23:46.01 | Cide | because the characters are only updated when played? |
| 23:46.07 | Osstia|home | I was thinking of having the onclick being something like: this:GetParent():Hide(); |
| 23:46.23 | Osstia|home | then just using the same function for all close buttons |
| 23:46.27 | AnduinLothar | just copy the code from like the spellbook frame |
| 23:46.40 | AnduinLothar | it inherits the x button |
| 23:46.55 | Osstia|home | I need to go figure out how to upen up blizzards code |
| 23:47.30 | Osstia|home | I think they have a link on the wow page, I'll go read up |
| 23:49.16 | zenzelezz | "I severely doubt a BruteForce for WoW exists, but in any case make a password that consists of both lowercase, uppercase and numbers. Adding even 1 uppercase character to your passwords will guarantee safety, as bruteforcing those strings can literally take years." o_O |
| 23:50.37 | dolby-wowi | not if your a decepticon |
| 23:53.01 | |Pixel| | what an interesting quote |
| 23:53.53 | zenzelezz | guildie got hacked (or something) and another guildie claimed that |
| 23:54.03 | |Pixel| | zenzelezz: if you wanna reply, you could tell this clueless guy that wow uppercases everything before sending :P |
| 23:54.06 | zenzelezz | it was particularly the "1 uppercase guarantees safety" bit that startled me |
| 23:54.08 | |Pixel| | login AND password |
| 23:54.51 | |Pixel| | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_remote_password_protocol <-- this page also may be worth reading |
| 23:54.58 | zenzelezz | I would have thought it actually didn't change case, just do some funky public/private key encryption |
| 23:55.08 | |Pixel| | as this is roughly the protocol wow uses |
| 23:55.23 | |Pixel| | nah |
| 23:55.24 | AnduinLothar | any idea why 193.27.71.11 would be connecting to me on random increasing ports? |
| 23:55.55 | |Pixel| | just upcase() everything |
| 23:56.33 | zenzelezz | I'm not claiming to know how WoW does it, I'm only saying how I've come to expect after seeing how other games do it |
| 23:56.46 | |Pixel| | yes, yes |
| 23:56.47 | zenzelezz | I'm not good with such things myself, obviously |
| 23:56.52 | |Pixel| | I'm just telling what it actually does :) |
| 23:57.20 | |Pixel| | and bruteforce with the srp protocol may be very interesting |
