| 00:00.11 | bleeter | Fin: yes, but protected (according to WoWWiki) |
| 00:00.21 | Fin | apparently yes, there is a function for changing the camera pitch, but WoWWiki has it labelled as protected |
| 00:00.39 | Fin | pantsorama |
| 00:00.44 | Fin | bleeter: oh, hah :) |
| 00:00.54 | bleeter | interesting that yaw and zoom aren't protected, imo |
| 00:00.54 | Fin | sorry I was typing that as your sentence came up :) |
| 00:01.01 | Fin | I think |
| 00:01.06 | Fin | maaaybe it's not protected anymore |
| 00:01.07 | bleeter | Fin: heh, yeah, figured. |
| 00:01.27 | Fin | because setting the pitchlimit via console was disabled, but it's been reenabled now |
| 00:01.30 | Fin | +/ |
| 00:05.05 | Tem | bleeter, if I had to guess, I'd say no |
| 00:05.20 | Tem | since the book is already written and being edited atm |
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| 00:06.23 | cogwheel | bleeter: possibly... i'm going to submit an addition to my bio but i don't know if it'll make it in |
| 00:06.24 | bleeter | Tem: oh, I was just thinking on the cover, or the advertising blurb, whether Blizz allow such a status to be used w/o licensing crap etc. |
| 00:06.51 | cogwheel | but yeah... i should probably check with the CMs first ;) |
| 00:15.18 | cogwheel | The more I have to restrain myself, the more I think they made me MVP so I would behave :P |
| 00:16.25 | MentalPower|Gone | lol |
| 00:20.59 | wereHamster | do I get the mouse button in OnMouseDown()? |
| 00:23.29 | Arrowmaster | its the second arg |
| 00:24.10 | Arrowmaster | frame:SetScript("OnMouseDown", function (this, button) ... end) |
| 00:25.12 | wereHamster | and how do I get modifier keys? ctrl/alt/shift? |
| 00:25.48 | wereHamster | IsAltKeyDown().. -.- |
| 00:26.02 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 00:26.16 | wereHamster | argh, I googled for IsCtrlKeyDown :( |
| 00:26.30 | wereHamster | and it's IsControlKeyDown() |
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| 00:40.01 | bleeter | oO http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3773279814&postId=37728907627&sid=1#0 |
| 00:40.43 | KarlThePagan | nice |
| 00:41.34 | KarlThePagan | it's easy enough to abuse the AFK system if you're a preform working with a few pugs |
| 00:41.45 | Industrial | nice |
| 00:41.49 | KarlThePagan | gets the louthmouths to shut up tho ;) |
| 00:42.16 | KarlThePagan | the lone "i know what I'm doing pug" putting up ALL CAPS instructions in /bg |
| 00:44.03 | bleeter | he doesn't directly say it, but the way I read it is that afk'ers won't get marks. is that new? |
| 00:44.27 | MentalPower|Gone | bleeter!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 00:44.34 | MentalPower|Gone | just the person I wanted to see!!!!! |
| 00:46.27 | bleeter | btw, people who /w containing the phrase '/afk deny' should get disconnected and 24 hour ban from game ;) |
| 00:46.51 | bleeter | or someone needs to write an autoreply mod '/me has reported %t as being an idiot; to remove this status type /remove Head(arse)' |
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| 00:47.37 | Kalroth | bleeter: If you're marked when a battleground ends, you don't get any marks or honor. |
| 00:50.17 | Taeri | I has funky yoghurty stuff that's supposed to help for mah tummy |
| 00:58.19 | laindir | I has cheese :D |
| 00:59.01 | Taeri | the yoghurt i have, it smells funneh |
| 00:59.08 | Taeri | tastes fine I guess, but still |
| 00:59.16 | laindir | hrm o.O |
| 01:00.37 | Taeri | things that smell funny have a tendancy to turn me off. |
| 01:00.44 | laindir | understandably so |
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| 01:04.10 | laindir | I could never be a vegan... dairy is just too yummy XD |
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| 01:05.05 | Duman | hmm |
| 01:05.52 | Taeri | laindir: agreed XD |
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| 01:10.49 | Taeri | WTB teleportation device! |
| 01:33.02 | kd3 | oh, alestane: http://www.wowwiki.com/Alestane |
| 01:33.09 | kd3 | cog and lope's articles have been created too |
| 01:33.12 | kd3 | go forth and update |
| 01:33.32 | alestane | Okay, I have an editing account. |
| 01:33.56 | alestane | In a dungeon right now though. |
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| 01:57.23 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: you know I have a point! (re: new MVPs, half green.. quarter blue..) |
| 01:57.27 | ScytheBlade1 | ;) |
| 01:57.34 | kd3 | ya |
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| 02:31.43 | Shirik | back in FL finally |
| 02:31.47 | Shirik | warm weather, leafy trees |
| 02:32.45 | alestane | They made Cogwheel an MVP while you were gone. |
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| 02:36.01 | ScytheBlade1 | And the person who said that |
| 02:37.16 | alestane | Yes, well, I can't say that, it's not polite. |
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| 02:38.14 | ScytheBlade1 | ;) |
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| 02:43.30 | Antiarc | http://pics.livejournal.com/allthingsaaron/pic/000af8x7 - dot. dot. freaking dot. |
| 02:43.56 | ScytheBlade1 | sfw? |
| 02:44.04 | ScytheBlade1 | There might be seven fifth graders in the room behind me |
| 02:44.15 | Fin | oh my |
| 02:44.43 | Antiarc | Just a screeenshot |
| 02:45.29 | ScytheBlade1 | loooooooool |
| 02:45.37 | Antiarc | Flesh. Orbs. |
| 02:45.42 | Antiarc | what. |
| 02:46.10 | ScytheBlade1 | I say again |
| 02:46.14 | ScytheBlade1 | loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool |
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| 02:51.24 | alestane | What is that, some kind of in-game lemon-fic reader? |
| 02:51.51 | ScytheBlade1 | RPers commonly have addons that lets you query detailed bios on any character |
| 02:51.56 | Antiarc | FlagRSP. It's an addon for letting RPers put out a bio on themselves. |
| 02:53.22 | alestane | I give them full marks for descriptive ability and points off for general bad taste. |
| 02:57.27 | Fin | her, you mean |
| 02:57.28 | Fin | :P |
| 02:57.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Her? You think a female wrote that? |
| 02:58.10 | Antiarc | Yeah, that whole thing screams "Penis alert" |
| 02:58.21 | Fin | but it says "she"! |
| 02:58.29 | Fin | it MUST be a female |
| 02:58.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Nah, it screams "4chan" to me |
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| 03:48.07 | Shirik | |Jelly|, need a holy priest? =( |
| 03:48.16 | |Jelly| | huh? |
| 03:48.29 | Shirik | Raid leaders decided it was time to shut down the raid and I have nobody to go to >< |
| 03:49.39 | |Jelly| | ... |
| 03:49.53 | |Jelly| | well, you can't transfer to pvp :( |
| 03:50.04 | Shirik | oh yeah |
| 03:50.08 | Shirik | oh well |
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| 03:53.38 | NightHawkTheSane | its weird finding quests with the minimap tracking that i never new about leveling up |
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| 04:02.17 | |Jelly| | Sorry. Raid wipe iRL |
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| 04:03.20 | NightHawkTheSane | irl? you mean 25 people just died in your living room? |
| 04:03.37 | |Jelly| | no, i mean we popped a breaker |
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| 04:12.11 | Fin | NightHawkTheSane: yeah! but cool |
| 04:12.16 | Fin | (re: quests you never knew about) |
| 04:12.22 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, it is :) |
| 04:17.46 | Fin | does anyone know of an addon that lets you see other an alt's macros? |
| 04:19.45 | Fin | -other |
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| 05:01.28 | kd3 | oh wow. what a thing to get linked to fark. still got something in my eye reading this |
| 05:01.32 | kd3 | http://obsidianwings.blogs.com/obsidian_wings/2008/01/andy-olmsted.html?cid=95886692 |
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| 05:12.19 | Rayne | Anyone in here use Hourglass? |
| 05:18.52 | Rayne | Guess not |
| 05:21.35 | NightHawkTheSane | Rayne: try #wowace, bit more activity there, and more likely to get a response |
| 05:28.31 | |Jelly| | Id o |
| 05:28.34 | |Jelly| | I do... too |
| 05:29.00 | Industrial | so i rolled a druid |
| 05:29.02 | Industrial | and got kitty |
| 05:29.18 | Industrial | I keep getting 1/21/41 energy, is this correct? :S |
| 05:30.50 | NightHawkTheSane | Industrial: no, it means your computer is broken, i suggest you give it to me |
| 05:31.25 | Industrial | ok! wehw u liv? |
| 05:31.27 | Industrial | asl? |
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| 05:34.00 | NightHawkTheSane | to uh, actually answer your question, yeah, that can happen |
| 05:34.24 | Industrial | k |
| 05:34.32 | NightHawkTheSane | its probably either some strange rounding error, or a byproduct of the fractional energy costs of missed specials |
| 05:36.50 | Xinhuan | woo cogwheel is an mvp now |
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| 05:42.02 | Rayne | |Jelly|: Can you show me an SS with what it looks like for you? |
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| 05:51.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm |
| 05:52.04 | ScytheBlade1 | For Hyjal attunement - the questgiver that spawns in SSC |
| 05:52.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Does he despawn after a while? Or no? |
| 05:54.24 | NightHawkTheSane | the one by karathress? |
| 05:54.58 | NightHawkTheSane | if thats who you mean, i'm pretty sure that's for BT attune, not hyjal, and I believe he despawns after a soft reset, or an hour or something |
| 05:57.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Boo |
| 05:57.13 | ScytheBlade1 | But thanks for answering |
| 05:58.13 | JoshBorke | hm, the solarian fight on wowwiki seems to be inconsistent |
| 05:58.42 | JoshBorke | in phase one, does she disappear multiple times? |
| 05:59.08 | Codayus | JoshBorke: Yes, every minute or so? You'll probably have 3-5 add phases, at a guess. |
| 05:59.15 | Codayus | (Working off vague memory.) |
| 05:59.21 | JoshBorke | ok, and does she spawn priests every time? |
| 05:59.24 | Codayus | Yes |
| 05:59.36 | JoshBorke | so they do need to be killed |
| 05:59.51 | Codayus | She despawns, 3 portals open, a wave of agents spawn, and then shortly thereafter a priest or solarian comes from each portal. |
| 06:00.10 | Codayus | You should finish the agents (if any are left), then kill the priests, then resume DPS on solarian. |
| 06:00.11 | JoshBorke | because the wowwiki page makes it sound like they should be offtanked until solarian is dead or something |
| 06:00.16 | JoshBorke | that's what i thought |
| 06:00.17 | JoshBorke | thanks |
| 06:00.30 | JoshBorke | solarian is easier than alar? |
| 06:00.32 | Codayus | No, you do need to offtank them, but priority is agents -> priests -> solarian |
| 06:00.35 | Codayus | Yes |
| 06:00.44 | Codayus | Solarian MAY be the easiest T5 boss. |
| 06:01.01 | Codayus | Certainly comparable to VR and Lurker. Two tricks needed: |
| 06:01.13 | JoshBorke | heh, currentlyc an't handle lurker |
| 06:01.15 | JoshBorke | working on alar |
| 06:01.16 | Codayus | 1) Decen class mix, plenty of AoE, some way of dealing with agents. Holy pally, whatever. |
| 06:01.25 | NightHawkTheSane | i love lurker |
| 06:01.25 | Codayus | 2) Ability to run when you get the bomb. |
| 06:01.26 | JoshBorke | we have prot pally :-D |
| 06:01.45 | Codayus | I'd say Solarian is easiest, then Lurker, then VR. Alar is significantly harder. |
| 06:02.16 | Codayus | Although if you can't down Lurker...you're probably doomed, since Lurker is 90% the ability to have guildies follow simple instructions. |
| 06:02.43 | JoshBorke | we can down VR |
| 06:03.05 | JoshBorke | and got alar to 23% in phase 2=/ |
| 06:03.09 | Codayus | Well, I find people struggling on Lurker usually do so because people can't/won't dodge Spout. |
| 06:03.30 | Codayus | If you can't dodge Spout, Solarian will be...fun. |
| 06:03.32 | JoshBorke | yea, we used to lose 1 person to spout when we were attempting him |
| 06:03.47 | Codayus | Just 1? Hm |
| 06:04.01 | JoshBorke | our biggest problem was we didn't have enough DPS for the adds |
| 06:04.06 | Codayus | Uh |
| 06:04.10 | Codayus | Really? oO |
| 06:04.14 | JoshBorke | but that was before 2.3 |
| 06:04.21 | JoshBorke | we haven't really been back sense |
| 06:04.34 | JoshBorke | so all of our DPS has improved since then |
| 06:04.34 | Codayus | ....you can down VR, but not Lurker? |
| 06:04.39 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 06:04.49 | JoshBorke | my guild is kind of, well, stupid |
| 06:05.24 | Codayus | 'cause VR is a timed DPS race, and when we were learning the fight, it was a race... Learning Lurker was just "oh right, DODGE the spouts", and then he fell over. We had to lose several people before DPS became an issue. |
| 06:06.06 | JoshBorke | what usually happened is the adds would kill healers and then tanks would die to the melee who would then wipe us |
| 06:06.16 | Codayus | Hm |
| 06:06.25 | JoshBorke | or there were ranged adds up when lurker started spouting |
| 06:06.50 | Codayus | Take more hunters. :-) |
| 06:07.59 | JoshBorke | the solarian fight sounds super easy |
| 06:08.06 | JoshBorke | baron geddon only easier |
| 06:09.30 | JoshBorke | thanks for the information codayus, i appreciate it :-) |
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| 06:10.53 | Codayus | Solarian *IS* easy, but it's less forgiving. |
| 06:11.18 | Codayus | Than Geddon. The timer on the bomb is SHORT, and it's *not* survivable if you fail it. |
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| 06:17.36 | JoshBorke | nn all |
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| 06:51.17 | Cairenn | Kaelten: ping? |
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| 07:18.27 | bleeter | Cairenn: 93F.. wanna go to the beach with me? |
| 07:18.37 | Cairenn | *cry* |
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| 07:19.10 | reqol | does anyone have a link to the ms visual studio XML express edition? google is not helping ;_; |
| 07:32.52 | reqol | i'm guessing web development is what I'm looking for hmm |
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| 07:57.32 | batrick | hi friends |
| 07:58.16 | Cairenn | hi batrick |
| 08:00.15 | reqol | hi |
| 08:01.19 | reqol | is there even an ms visual studio xml IDE? if there is it must be incredibly hidden |
| 08:08.34 | Iriel | I'd try and answer if I was an MS developer in any way, but i'm not.. Sorry. |
| 08:10.48 | reqol | yeah. I was told cogwheel was praising it but he's not on :( |
| 08:28.07 | reqol | could anyone recommend a good XML editor besides XMLMarker? |
| 08:28.16 | Iriel | Hm, some folks like XMLSpy |
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| 08:30.02 | reqol | I'd have to use the free version since there is no way I can afford $500 :P. it's probably decent enough, anyway |
| 08:30.42 | Iriel | yeah, the free version is all you need |
| 08:36.45 | Xinhuan | lua> tostring(-0) == tostring(0) |
| 08:36.45 | lua_bot | Xinhuan: true |
| 08:36.49 | Xinhuan | can someone explain? |
| 08:37.51 | Xinhuan | lua> tostring(-0) == "-0" |
| 08:37.51 | lua_bot | Xinhuan: true |
| 08:37.57 | Xinhuan | lua> tostring(-0) == "0" |
| 08:37.57 | lua_bot | Xinhuan: false |
| 08:38.27 | Xinhuan | lua> tostring(0) == "0" |
| 08:38.27 | lua_bot | Xinhuan: true |
| 08:38.37 | Iriel | Why is silvermoon still covered in christmas trees? |
| 08:38.51 | Xinhuan | dunno, but why does tostring(-0) == tostring(0) evaluate to true? |
| 08:39.03 | reqol | Xinhuan: that is incredibly odd |
| 08:39.08 | Fin | because they're both strings |
| 08:39.16 | Xinhuan | one is "-0" the other is "0" |
| 08:39.18 | Fin | you've just called tostring() on them |
| 08:39.29 | Fin | they're strings |
| 08:39.31 | Xinhuan | i can assure you "-0" is not the same string as "0" |
| 08:39.44 | Fin | oh, my apologies |
| 08:39.52 | Fin | I'm tired, duh |
| 08:40.10 | reqol | so yeah, I don't see a free XMLSpy editor. I see an evaluation version, which might revert to crappy mode after 30 days, but beyond that I'm really lost ;_; |
| 08:40.12 | Iriel | Something to do with how -0 gets interpreted |
| 08:40.20 | Iriel | I think that may be one of the bugs I saw on lua.org |
| 08:40.28 | Xinhuan | sigh at bugs |
| 08:40.31 | Iriel | > A = tostring(-0) |
| 08:40.31 | Iriel | > A,B = tostring(0), tostring(-0) |
| 08:40.32 | Iriel | > return A,B |
| 08:40.32 | Iriel | 00 |
| 08:41.06 | Fin | I guess, -0 is the same as 0, right? |
| 08:41.08 | Iriel | reqol: That's what I mean by the 'free' one, I seem to remember you dont have to do much to re-download it. |
| 08:41.11 | Fin | mathematically |
| 08:41.20 | Iriel | Well, it's subtly different, but for most sane purposes it's the same |
| 08:41.46 | Iriel | 0/1 == 0, 0/-1 == -0 |
| 08:41.57 | Fin | you can't divide by 0 though |
| 08:42.10 | Fin | that's the only instance I thought of that it might be different, but n / 0 = error |
| 08:42.40 | Fin | at least, that's how I understood it! |
| 08:42.46 | Fin | I really *should* shut up, probably :) |
| 08:42.47 | reqol | Iriel: how'd you set up that lua bot |
| 08:42.52 | Iriel | I'm not diving BY zero, i'm diving zero |
| 08:43.09 | Iriel | reqol: That's me cut and pasting from lua in a command shell on another window |
| 08:43.30 | reqol | oh |
| 08:43.31 | reqol | :( |
| 08:43.40 | Fin | doesn't x / y == y * x? |
| 08:44.18 | NightHawkTheSane | Fin: er, no? 4/2 ≠ 2 * 4? :P |
| 08:44.35 | reqol | Fin: get some sleep :P |
| 08:44.36 | Fin | uhm, never mind, sorry |
| 08:44.41 | NightHawkTheSane | Fin: sleep. seriously :) |
| 08:44.54 | NightHawkTheSane | agreed! |
| 08:47.38 | Iriel | Ah, I know why it happens now |
| 08:47.52 | Iriel | interesting, I wonder if that would be classified a bug or just a strange behavior |
| 08:48.02 | NightHawkTheSane | why? |
| 08:48.04 | Iriel | It's based on compilation unit |
| 08:48.08 | Xinhuan | lua> local a = tostring(-0) print(#a) local b = tostring(0) print(#b) print(a) print(b) |
| 08:48.08 | lua_bot | Xinhuan: 2, 2, -0, -0 |
| 08:48.14 | Xinhuan | it appears that lua compiles the chunk |
| 08:48.21 | Xinhuan | and simplified the tostring() calls |
| 08:48.25 | Xinhuan | to the first one |
| 08:48.31 | Iriel | When lua compiles tostring(-0) on its own, it creates a constant with value -0 |
| 08:48.38 | Iriel | ditto when it compiles tostring(0) on its own |
| 08:48.53 | Xinhuan | if i swapped the order of defining tostring(0) and tostring(-0), you get the other string |
| 08:48.56 | Iriel | when it compiles BOTH in the same block, it considers the second zero equal (and thus equivalent) to the first |
| 08:49.07 | NightHawkTheSane | interesting |
| 08:49.07 | Iriel | and collapses the reference to use the same constant value |
| 08:49.10 | Xinhuan | this shouldn't happen |
| 08:49.26 | Iriel | I think it's one of those bizarre things you get because of floating point numbers |
| 08:49.41 | Iriel | I agree it's "wrong" but is it worth complaining about 8-) |
| 08:50.44 | Iriel | Probably worth dropping the lua folks an email |
| 08:50.59 | Iriel | or posting on the mailing list, they /may/ knwo about it, though I didn't see it in a quick scan of the bugs list |
| 08:53.45 | Iriel | I suspect the solution would be for them to do a bitwise comparison before merging numeric values, instead of just == |
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| 08:58.06 | batrick | no programmer should rely on that behaviour anyway, -0 and 0 are equivalent (obviously) |
| 09:03.16 | Shirik | anyone know if walgreens sells thermometers? |
| 09:04.11 | Iriel | Shirik: They certainly did last time I was in one, but that wasn't too far away |
| 09:04.24 | Iriel | they're equal, but not equivalent, which is the problem here |
| 09:04.39 | Iriel | sorry, I meant' that wasn't too recently.. Dont know where 'far away' came from |
| 09:07.23 | reqol | >>> 2 ~= 3 |
| 09:07.31 | reqol | ;_; |
| 09:07.36 | Shirik | thanks |
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| 09:07.37 | reqol | is ~= not equals in lua |
| 09:07.53 | reqol | java has the best of me |
| 09:09.50 | reqol | lua> 2~=3 |
| 09:09.50 | lua_bot | reqol: true |
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| 09:26.17 | reqol | UI.xsd in the blizzard interface data is the schema, right? |
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| 09:28.11 | cladhaire | correct |
| 09:33.16 | Tem|AFK | ...wtf |
| 09:33.30 | Tem|AFK | I just watched the 2v2 progress bar sit and do nothing |
| 09:33.40 | Tem|AFK | so my rogue tried his best |
| 09:33.51 | Tem|AFK | then when he had 1k life left, my bar finished |
| 09:34.13 | Tem|AFK | and I zoned in |
| 09:34.17 | Tem|AFK | then he died |
| 09:34.18 | Tem|AFK | and we lost |
| 09:34.27 | Tem|AFK | without me taking one point of damage |
| 09:38.05 | cladhaire | ... |
| 09:38.23 | Tem|AFK | (I was able to act during the match) |
| 09:38.27 | Tem|AFK | (I sheeped the warrior) |
| 09:40.02 | cladhaire | how very odd |
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| 09:41.56 | Fin | that happened to me once, Tem |
| 09:42.12 | Fin | (incidentally) |
| 09:45.58 | Tem|AFK | neat |
| 09:46.07 | Tem|AFK | we got that team again |
| 09:46.17 | Tem|AFK | and STOMPED THEIR FACE |
| 09:46.24 | Tem|AFK | it was very satisfying |
| 09:46.40 | cladhaire | :P |
| 09:46.52 | cladhaire | you guys pvp at 3am on a saturday morning? |
| 09:47.53 | Tem|AFK | it's aparently a really good time to arena |
| 09:48.13 | Tem|AFK | we're 13 and 4 tonight |
| 09:48.54 | MoonWolf | its because most people are to tired to really do anything usefull |
| 09:48.55 | MoonWolf | i guess |
| 09:49.24 | MoonWolf | i'm on an us realm and 2v2 with a warlock at around those times for the us people. |
| 09:49.25 | MoonWolf | ist fun |
| 09:49.42 | MoonWolf | they suddenly turn into keyboard turners and idiots. |
| 09:51.55 | cladhaire | :P |
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| 10:07.16 | Fin | is there a pseudotag for strikethrough available in addon comments? |
| 10:07.36 | Fin | [s]...[/s] doesn't seem to work |
| 10:07.46 | Fin | and I can't find a link to a list of tags |
| 10:08.02 | Fin | the vbcode link at the bottom of the posting form goes to a 404 |
| 10:09.52 | Tem | 16-5 |
| 10:10.04 | Tem | with one of those losses being that bullshit match |
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| 11:05.01 | Corrodias | bah, can't think of a decent name for a female orc warrior |
| 11:05.40 | Corrodias | they all just fall apart |
| 11:08.30 | MoonWolf | Lukara |
| 11:09.02 | MoonWolf | Tavana |
| 11:09.07 | MoonWolf | Sirella |
| 11:09.15 | MoonWolf | Pahash |
| 11:09.35 | MoonWolf | Kali |
| 11:11.52 | Corrodias | thanks for the suggestions. let me ponder. |
| 11:13.14 | MoonWolf | You need harsh yet feminine sounds |
| 11:13.26 | Corrodias | Lukara, that's not bad |
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| 11:14.40 | Corrodias | i am impressed by the sorts of names my guildmates have come up with, but perhaps i'm just very accepting of a name when i'm not the one playing it |
| 11:16.36 | MoonWolf | its different when its your own character. |
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| 11:18.45 | Corrodias | agreed |
| 11:19.41 | Corrodias | Lukara is pretty damn good. i keep wanting to put "sh" in the name, but it keeps sounding too... short, hard |
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| 11:36.58 | art3mis | heh yeah i prefer ka and sh names for chicks |
| 11:37.07 | Corrodias | i think what i REALLY want to name her is Chaka Khan |
| 11:37.25 | art3mis | hehe Hannuka ;P |
| 11:37.26 | Corrodias | but seeing as how that's impossible, Lukara is going to be high on the list |
| 11:37.42 | art3mis | Kaltira |
| 11:37.46 | art3mis | Kalindra |
| 11:38.09 | art3mis | Kaldra |
| 11:38.13 | art3mis | those sorta names |
| 11:38.38 | art3mis | blame david eddings for those ;P |
| 11:38.43 | Corrodias | who? |
| 11:38.50 | art3mis | the guy who wrote the belgariad |
| 11:38.57 | Corrodias | the what? |
| 11:39.03 | art3mis | and the mallorean and the sparhawk series |
| 11:39.09 | art3mis | what? |
| 11:39.13 | Corrodias | doesn't ring a bell |
| 11:39.14 | art3mis | you've never read those? |
| 11:39.28 | art3mis | so you don't know Belgarath the Sorcerer? |
| 11:39.32 | art3mis | or Polgara? |
| 11:39.42 | Corrodias | never heard of them |
| 11:39.57 | Cairenn | buncha heretics in channel! |
| 11:40.20 | art3mis | you should add the belgariad, mallorean, and both Sparhawk sets to your list of things to read |
| 11:40.24 | art3mis | oh and Athlas |
| 11:40.30 | art3mis | that book ro0cked |
| 11:40.45 | art3mis | the dreamers isnt that good |
| 11:40.49 | art3mis | but its not horrible |
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| 11:45.00 | Corrodias | i'll try to remember |
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| 11:46.36 | Cairenn | sad that we'll probably never see another book by him |
| 11:47.23 | art3mis | oh we prolly will |
| 11:47.30 | Cairenn | doubt it |
| 11:47.34 | art3mis | just not an epic |
| 11:47.41 | Cairenn | if we do, it probably won't be near as good |
| 11:48.02 | art3mis | oh speaking of |
| 11:48.08 | art3mis | did you see the dragonlance trailer? |
| 11:48.18 | Cairenn | newp |
| 11:48.26 | art3mis | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHrOfJ8_D0o |
| 11:49.08 | art3mis | bad art+bad cgi |
| 11:49.12 | art3mis | good cast though |
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| 12:02.43 | MoonWolf | art3mis, agreed Corrodias should read those. |
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| 12:12.46 | art3mis | he should be banned until he does |
| 12:12.55 | art3mis | thats like saying "the one ring... whats that?" |
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| 12:14.29 | Corrodias | for some reason, the name Sigo has gotten stuck in my mind |
| 12:14.37 | Corrodias | i think this might become the name for that warrior |
| 12:14.45 | Corrodias | assuming it isn't taken |
| 12:15.15 | Corrodias | (pronounced see-go, not ciggo) |
| 12:16.04 | Corrodias | maybe it's just reminding me of vigo the carpathian from ghostbusters 2 |
| 12:16.37 | art3mis | laugh |
| 12:17.01 | zenzelezz | sounds like a short version of SIgourney |
| 12:18.21 | reqol | since wow reads the schema from it's own files, I need to set the location to that for it to be recognized. however this screws up xmlspy because it obviously can't find the schema. is there anyway to circumvent this besides just changing the schema at the last minute? |
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| 12:21.34 | Corrodias | oh snap, my realm is down |
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| 12:25.58 | cladhaire | reqol: put the schema in your Interface directory |
| 12:26.01 | cladhaire | then it should validate fine. |
| 12:26.10 | cladhaire | or rather, in the Addons direcory |
| 12:26.17 | cladhaire | each file expects it to be in ../UI.xsd |
| 12:26.21 | cladhaire | which is INterface/Addons/UI.xsd |
| 12:26.54 | cladhaire | afaik |
| 12:28.28 | reqol | yep, loads just fine! thanks :D |
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| 12:31.09 | bleeter | some days gotta wonder what the out-of-hours forum moderators really get up to when there bosses aren't around -> http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?forumId=10001&sid=1&topicId=3773460234&pageNo=1& |
| 12:32.11 | Corrodias | maybe Shako, which is a word for a pompous-looking military hat |
| 12:32.54 | reqol | when i use xmlspy to throw in ui elements, it puts ui: in front of them. will it work despite this? |
| 12:34.04 | Xinhuan | i found out today that the only thing assert(v ~= v) will pass is when v = 1/0 |
| 12:34.05 | Xinhuan | zzzzz |
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| 12:34.34 | Corrodias | and now if only my realm were somewhat more online than it is |
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| 12:36.44 | Thelyna | Xinhuan: so 1/0 is not equal to itself? |
| 12:36.56 | Xinhuan | yep |
| 12:37.02 | Xinhuan | that's what i found out |
| 12:37.19 | Xinhuan | fell free to test |
| 12:37.22 | Xinhuan | feel* |
| 12:37.49 | Xinhuan | apparently, 1/0 will fail to be equal to anything, even itself |
| 12:38.14 | Corrodias | can undefined equal undefined? |
| 12:38.19 | Corrodias | i'm afraid the result of that query is undefined |
| 12:41.48 | Corrodias | how did i get the Tetris music stuck in my head? |
| 12:42.21 | reqol | besides luabinaries, where can I get lua binaries? |
| 12:42.35 | reqol | google is very unfruitful |
| 12:44.50 | reqol | so the elements in xmlspy are ui:Element and then when i try to save it tells me it's not valid. why doesn't it give me valid elements then, -_- |
| 12:48.27 | Corrodias | damn it, i finally decide on a decent name and it's taken |
| 12:50.25 | Corrodias | pooh, we'll pick this up tomorrow. i need some damn sleep. 'ni, or 'day |
| 12:50.31 | reqol | night! |
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| 12:56.53 | bleeter | ~staple Adys |
| 12:56.53 | purl | ACTION attaches a staple gun to a pneumatic nail gun via duct tape, staples Adys quite well, and hands Adys to bleeter |
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| 13:21.32 | jscinoz | hey guys |
| 13:21.44 | jscinoz | anyone else having major framerate suckage since 2.3? |
| 13:23.19 | Taeri | my framerate sucks, but probably because ofmy horrible computer. :P |
| 13:23.43 | foxlit | I hear onyxia casts deep breath more often, too |
| 13:27.04 | zenzelezz | we got about 40 cm of snow over the last 12 hours :-o |
| 13:27.19 | Taeri | snow sucks |
| 13:27.23 | Taeri | I wanna go home to Bergen ;__; |
| 13:27.43 | zenzelezz | why? You'd still be in the wrong town |
| 13:27.43 | Lukian | jscinoz, what's your computer specs? |
| 13:27.55 | Taeri | zenzelezz: pffffft |
| 13:28.07 | jscinoz | 2.2ghz centrino duo, 8400m GS, 4gb ram |
| 13:28.19 | bleeter | jscinoz is using wine, tho |
| 13:28.22 | jscinoz | OS, ubuntu 7.10 running wow under wine |
| 13:28.23 | jscinoz | yes |
| 13:28.27 | jscinoz | and it was fine pre 2.3 |
| 13:28.29 | jscinoz | 2.3 killed it |
| 13:28.35 | Lukian | what wine version? |
| 13:28.43 | jscinoz | .52 |
| 13:28.44 | Lukian | 2.3 had multi-core tweaks |
| 13:28.59 | Lukian | technically it should be faster :/ |
| 13:29.05 | jscinoz | well its a hell of alot slower |
| 13:29.19 | jscinoz | sits around 5fps regardless of graphic settings and how much stuff is onscreen |
| 13:29.20 | bleeter | you're tried an earlier wine, I'm guessing |
| 13:29.33 | jscinoz | ie shattrath, vs middle of nowhere same fps |
| 13:29.35 | jscinoz | yes no change |
| 13:29.43 | jscinoz | this problem only started in 2.3 |
| 13:29.57 | bleeter | um, wine .52 came out after 2.3 |
| 13:30.01 | Taeri | I get like 20fps tops. |
| 13:30.36 | jscinoz | i know |
| 13:31.17 | jscinoz | tested wow 2.2 on a private server with .52, frame rate is 60+ always |
| 13:31.19 | bleeter | I get anywhere up to 50fps, depending on phase of moon, tidal level etc. |
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| 13:31.21 | jscinoz | so 2.3 is the problem |
| 13:31.59 | zenzelezz | by the way, don't speak of private servers in here |
| 13:32.11 | jscinoz | yeah i only use it to test for things like this |
| 13:32.18 | jscinoz | where a bliz patch breaks things. |
| 13:32.21 | zenzelezz | just don't mention them |
| 13:32.24 | zenzelezz | it's a no-no |
| 13:32.36 | jscinoz | k |
| 13:32.42 | bleeter | how does a blizz patch 'break things' when we're using an unsupported platform? haha ;) |
| 13:32.44 | jscinoz | going to dl the ptr client and see if theres any change |
| 13:32.45 | jscinoz | ... |
| 13:32.59 | jscinoz | nothing changed except the wow version and now framerate sucks |
| 13:33.07 | jscinoz | therefore, patch's fault |
| 13:33.19 | Lukian | bleeter, interestingly enough, when they break something (major) for wine users they fix it |
| 13:33.21 | jscinoz | and lets not even mention all the screwyness going on with that WMP11 thing |
| 13:33.25 | Polarina | bleeter: Do you think it would improve my FPS if I compile the kernel with clock frequency of 1000 Hz instead of 250 Hz? |
| 13:33.28 | bleeter | no, you're using an unsopported OS. It's your fault :P |
| 13:34.31 | esteth | I honestly see no reason why there isn't an official linux client. The platform doesn't differ from darwin much, and they have allready ported the engine to opengl. |
| 13:34.32 | jscinoz | douche. |
| 13:34.37 | bleeter | Lukian: interstingly enough, when Blizz couldn't get 2.2 out the door due to weird random Vista crashes, a week after the Wine crew found some real dodgy call in their sound implementation... ;) |
| 13:34.38 | jscinoz | ill go back to asking in #winehq then. |
| 13:34.51 | Lukian | bleeter, *chuckle* |
| 13:35.49 | bleeter | If I had a dollar for every 'I need support, it worked yesterday, not today, didn't change my base system at all' report I've had over the years... I wouldn't be hanging in IRC @ 00:35 on a rediculously hot night |
| 13:36.27 | jscinoz | ... |
| 13:36.34 | bleeter | however, having said that, I'm asking for confirmation of turning off all fancy foo in the X driver, running WoW as the only X app, and with absolute minimal effects turned on |
| 13:36.54 | jscinoz | i tried that remember |
| 13:36.59 | bleeter | and by 'the only X app' I mean, no gnome/kde/xfce etc desktop |
| 13:37.00 | jscinoz | minimum graphic settings |
| 13:37.01 | jscinoz | s |
| 13:37.04 | jscinoz | same framerate |
| 13:37.08 | jscinoz | i run wow on its own xscreen |
| 13:37.16 | jscinoz | so there is nothing else on that screen |
| 13:37.24 | bleeter | right, well you didn't actually go to that detail, so I'd thoguht you meant the ingame settings. |
| 13:37.45 | jscinoz | oh |
| 13:39.17 | jscinoz | didnt bliz have a native linux client in beta. |
| 13:39.46 | jscinoz | and honestly, since the game already supports opengl, releasing a binary would take them less than a week of dev time. |
| 13:39.51 | bleeter | yes, written in SDL. SDL's probably incapable of doing the 'current' game. |
| 13:40.18 | bleeter | as it stands at the moment, by unofficially not supporting Wine ... ;) ... they're actually hitting more OS's than if they just did a Wine port |
| 13:40.21 | bleeter | er |
| 13:40.22 | bleeter | Linux port |
| 13:41.22 | bleeter | of course, what I'd really like to see, is a totally vistualised version of WoW, so I don't have to give a toss about target OS. Take my portable drive around to my friends' Mac that doesn't have WoW installed? No probs, I just fire up my virtualised WoW and away I go! :) |
| 13:41.51 | jscinoz | didnt they get hardware accel working inside a VM |
| 13:42.00 | bleeter | they? |
| 13:42.03 | jscinoz | but only when linux is the guest OS, because they can screw with the kernel |
| 13:42.09 | jscinoz | they = random developer |
| 13:42.38 | jscinoz | http://www.cs.toronto.edu/~andreslc/xen-gl/ |
| 13:42.46 | jscinoz | only works on X11 guest os's |
| 13:43.02 | jscinoz | apparently it uses a custom X server |
| 13:45.25 | jscinoz | god this is so frustrating |
| 13:45.33 | jscinoz | there is no reason for the framerate to suck like this |
| 13:50.26 | bleeter | jscinoz: what's your pixelShaders set to? |
| 13:50.57 | jscinoz | 1 |
| 13:51.04 | jscinoz | makes no difference with it 0 |
| 13:51.06 | bleeter | jscinoz: there obviously is a reason, otherwise you wouldn't be having the problem |
| 13:51.28 | jscinoz | im not saying theres no reason |
| 13:51.32 | jscinoz | oh up there |
| 13:51.33 | jscinoz | :P |
| 13:51.38 | jscinoz | i mean from a hardware perspective |
| 13:51.55 | bleeter | what about m2useshaders? |
| 13:53.08 | bleeter | also, could you confirm you've attempted with no addons, an empty cache and wtf folders? |
| 13:53.36 | jscinoz | one second. |
| 13:53.52 | bleeter | that is, tried that with the 'lowest' video settings as described above and previously indicated you tried, did you try these low settings without interface, cache and wtf so it'd try setting defaults |
| 13:53.57 | jscinoz | ive tried the blank config, but ill try again |
| 13:54.03 | jscinoz | hang on |
| 13:55.28 | jscinoz | ugh i hate it when it changes my resolution |
| 13:55.34 | jscinoz | because i dont have the config >_< |
| 13:56.35 | jscinoz | no change in framerate with fresh install |
| 13:56.43 | jscinoz | or fresh config at least |
| 13:56.45 | bleeter | I'm only asking about the shaders stuff, and empty cache etc., 'coz there's a post in the tech forums from Tigerclaw explaining how 2.3.0 resets video options |
| 13:56.57 | jscinoz | even with the game runner at a lower resolution and everything the framerate is just as bad |
| 13:57.01 | jscinoz | running* |
| 13:57.17 | bleeter | no cache and no interface either? |
| 13:57.33 | jscinoz | yes both moved out of there |
| 13:57.39 | bleeter | and what are the pixelshader and m2useshaders set to on your default install? |
| 13:58.03 | jscinoz | both 1 |
| 13:58.29 | bleeter | and you've tried both 0? and combinations? |
| 13:58.51 | jscinoz | yes |
| 14:01.06 | bleeter | have you tried changing UIFaster? |
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| 14:02.16 | jscinoz | no, hang on |
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| 14:03.13 | jscinoz | also i've tried timingMethod as mentioned on the pages that mention the wmp11 strangeness |
| 14:03.14 | bleeter | not that I think UIFaster will help, but it's worth a shot. Unfortunately, this has just upped your test cases to 12 ;) |
| 14:03.33 | jscinoz | 0,1,2 no change in fps |
| 14:03.55 | jscinoz | uifaster, no change |
| 14:04.11 | bleeter | might help if you use the correct values |
| 14:05.04 | bleeter | I also find it hard to believe that you performed 12 tests via logging in and exiting the game in under 60 seconds |
| 14:05.07 | jscinoz | according to wow wiki those are all valid options |
| 14:05.13 | jscinoz | game starts up very quick under wine |
| 14:05.16 | jscinoz | no addons loaded |
| 14:05.21 | jscinoz | running without my interface dir |
| 14:06.02 | bleeter | what you're saying is you can load the game, enter world, perform a test, exit, and change some Config.wtf values all under 5 seconds? impressive. |
| 14:06.17 | jscinoz | why would i lie to my own detriment? |
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| 14:12.57 | jscinoz | .. |
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| 14:23.43 | Taeri | I want a reallywarm shower. |
| 14:23.57 | Taeri | but our bathroom is so cold. |
| 14:24.14 | Taeri | so it goes from warm and fuzzie inside the shower, and then cold and horrible the moment I go out. |
| 14:25.07 | bleeter | jscinoz: for the record, I'm trying to track down my own issues in wine atm, which is why I'm not 100% focuessed on your issue atm ;) |
| 14:25.46 | bleeter | Taeri: well start flapping yer arms! 01:25 (AM, that is), 26C/78F degrees. Loverly ;) |
| 14:26.23 | jscinoz | oh. |
| 14:26.35 | jscinoz | im trying the ptr client to see if theres any improvement |
| 14:26.46 | jscinoz | but the stupid thing has to go through a huge amount of patches >_< |
| 14:28.31 | bleeter | I seem to recall that there was a 'change' in the video for 2.3, insofar as they set as defaults what the vast majority of their users were using based on a survey, iirc, around Septemper or so. |
| 14:28.59 | zenzelezz | spell detail default was no longer set to max or something like that |
| 14:29.00 | bleeter | Precisely what, though, I can't say. You'd need to yabber at Iriel or someone else equally knowledgeable on that topic. |
| 14:29.46 | wereHamster | how do I get the screen resolution othen than parsing GetScreenResolutions()? |
| 14:29.50 | bleeter | I think Tigerclaw alludes to the changes in the URL from above |
| 14:30.06 | bleeter | wereHamster: big hammer and oxy torch ;) |
| 14:30.24 | wereHamster | .. or, does GetScreenHeight() always return 768? |
| 14:31.26 | foxlit | no |
| 14:31.28 | bleeter | what‽ |
| 14:31.48 | zenzelezz | I thought it did for normal ratios; but not necessarily for wide-screen? Can never remember how that stuff works in WoW |
| 14:31.49 | foxlit | It doesn't always return 768 |
| 14:32.14 | wereHamster | in 1280x720 and 800x600 modes it does.. |
| 14:32.26 | jscinoz | bleeter |
| 14:32.35 | jscinoz | PTR client, 76fps steady |
| 14:32.40 | jscinoz | gg 2.3.0 |
| 14:33.04 | bleeter | diff your config.wtf |
| 14:33.17 | jscinoz | sec |
| 14:33.54 | jscinoz | < SET realmList "us.logon.worldofwarcraft.com" |
| 14:33.54 | jscinoz | --- |
| 14:33.54 | jscinoz | > SET realmList "beta.us.logon.worldofwarcraft.com" |
| 14:33.54 | jscinoz | 28c28 |
| 14:33.54 | jscinoz | < SET realmName "Crushridge" |
| 14:33.55 | jscinoz | --- |
| 14:33.57 | jscinoz | > SET realmName "Test Server (US PVE)" |
| 14:33.59 | jscinoz | 91a92,94 |
| 14:34.01 | jscinoz | > SET Sound_VoiceChatInputDriverIndex "1" |
| 14:34.03 | jscinoz | > SET Sound_VoiceChatOutputDriverIndex "1" |
| 14:34.05 | jscinoz | > SET Sound_OutputDriverIndex "1" |
| 14:34.05 | zenzelezz | ... |
| 14:34.06 | bleeter | jscinoz: /topic |
| 14:34.11 | jscinoz | rawr pastebin |
| 14:34.17 | zenzelezz | :) |
| 14:34.29 | Fisker- | what are we talking about_ |
| 14:34.30 | Fisker- | ? |
| 14:34.33 | jscinoz | therfore wow + wine framerate suckage |
| 14:34.36 | jscinoz | is 2.3.0's fault |
| 14:34.41 | jscinoz | and seems to be fixed in .2 |
| 14:35.05 | bleeter | humour me, put those sound options in your .0 wtf |
| 14:35.08 | jscinoz | now i hope they can get 2.3.2 on the live realms soon |
| 14:35.18 | jscinoz | just the bottom 3 right? |
| 14:35.22 | jscinoz | not the realmlist :P |
| 14:35.41 | bleeter | I'm curious how you've managed to get them set in .2 and not .0 |
| 14:35.52 | jscinoz | which ones? |
| 14:35.55 | jscinoz | the three sound ones? |
| 14:36.52 | bleeter | well, if the above was the complete paste you were going to make, and aren't preparing the rest for pastey, I'd suggest that somehow you've got different audio configs. I was under the impression these settings weren't going to change between .0 and .2 |
| 14:37.02 | jscinoz | that was the complete paste |
| 14:37.23 | bleeter | now, having said that your .0 is currently in a vanilla state, and your PTR would be too, it's certainly odd that those sound entries are not in your .0, afaik |
| 14:37.32 | jscinoz | yeah |
| 14:38.00 | jscinoz | i guess that all there is to do is wait for .2 to hit the live realms |
| 14:38.38 | Lukian | are those sound_ options not in .0 ? |
| 14:38.49 | bleeter | I was pretty certain they were |
| 14:39.02 | bleeter | but apparently they're not getting created in jscinoz's default .0 install |
| 14:39.35 | jscinoz | copying them back accross, .0 rejects them |
| 14:39.40 | jscinoz | and wipes them out of config.wtf |
| 14:40.10 | bleeter | are you sure that's rejection? or accepting them, saying 'oh, they're defaults so I don't need to write them out' ;) |
| 14:41.26 | jscinoz | could be either :P |
| 14:42.05 | wereHamster | 1280x1024 mode -> screen height: 819, 1400x1050 -> 768 .. what is GetScreenHeight() supposed to return?? |
| 14:42.30 | zenzelezz | the "internal" resolution of the UI I think |
| 14:42.40 | zenzelezz | not the actual screen resolution |
| 14:43.07 | bleeter | jscinoz: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3270773902&postId=33489449346&sid=1#1 would indicate it's not a .2 specific thing ;) |
| 14:43.36 | jscinoz | really strange |
| 14:44.42 | bleeter | I love how SESound.log for me says '######## ERROR INITIALIZING. ALL GAME SOUND DISABLED." then happily plays all ingame sound |
| 14:44.54 | bleeter | if I weren't on Wine, I'd report it as a bug ;) |
| 14:44.58 | jscinoz | lol |
| 14:45.14 | jscinoz | hmm wow |
| 14:45.22 | zenzelezz | didn't they change some sound setting names; or was that 2.3? |
| 14:45.29 | jscinoz | they managed to get crysis kinda sorta almost working :P |
| 14:45.32 | bleeter | zenzelezz: sound rewrite was 2.2 |
| 14:45.33 | jscinoz | in wine |
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| 14:46.59 | jscinoz | bleeter, just to test, i copied my old config and addons from .0 to ptr client, and it maintains the 70+ fps |
| 14:47.04 | jscinoz | so .2 is looking awesome |
| 14:47.23 | Shirik | bleeter, better than mine |
| 14:47.26 | Shirik | I get a bunch of these |
| 14:47.31 | Shirik | Exception handler died |
| 14:47.32 | Shirik | Original exception: |
| 14:47.32 | Shirik | 0xC00000FD (STACK_OVERFLOW) at 0023:006DE84B |
| 14:47.56 | Shirik | when wow crashes |
| 14:48.04 | Shirik | for some reason wowerror.exe doesn't like me |
| 14:48.14 | bleeter | I blame Cide |
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| 14:48.59 | bleeter | WoWError.exe's started a tendency to dump proper memory here, instead of the 1.5GB whoppers it used to. I'm concerned. |
| 14:49.09 | Shirik | geg |
| 14:49.12 | Shirik | heh* |
| 14:49.29 | Taeri | Noo clue if this is even relevant for the wine laggyness... but here goes http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Install_and_update_World_Of_Warcraft_with_wine |
| 14:49.33 | bleeter | though that may entirely be due to the strsplit foo |
| 14:50.20 | jscinoz | well guys, its 2am, im off to bed |
| 14:50.25 | jscinoz | thanks for the help bleeter |
| 14:50.31 | bleeter | jscinoz: yup, well, it still may be some odd setting you've got there, or a combination of your hardware setup and something inside WoW and Wine, that causes this problem, and will never get fixed |
| 14:50.33 | jscinoz | turns it 2.3.0 just plain sucks and .2 is awesome |
| 14:50.35 | Shirik | wait, bleeter heped someone? |
| 14:50.37 | Shirik | Impossible. |
| 14:50.40 | bleeter | Lies |
| 14:50.46 | bleeter | no, totally failed to help |
| 14:51.01 | bleeter | just bounced ideas of the man, see if they swam. they all drowndeded now :( |
| 14:51.04 | jscinoz | well even with my entire interface and wtf folders copied to the ptr client just for testin, it still runs at 70+ fps in shattrah on max details |
| 14:51.13 | jscinoz | vs 5fps on min details in the middle of nowhere on 2.3.0 |
| 14:51.18 | jscinoz | so yeah :P |
| 14:51.57 | jscinoz | night :) |
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| 15:02.09 | Shirik | !ap 1509 |
| 15:02.09 | ThraeBot | Shirik: Arena points from a rating of 1509 is, 2v2: 268, 3v3: 311, 5v5: 353 |
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| 15:03.34 | Shirik | !ap 1502 |
| 15:03.34 | ThraeBot | Shirik: Arena points from a rating of 1502 is, 2v2: 263, 3v3: 304, 5v5: 346 |
| 15:07.06 | bleeter | hmm, that SESound.log was from Wine .52 changing startup behaviour, and steam starting at wine boot grabbing the audio config. so nothing to see really :( |
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| 15:26.17 | Corrodias | ' |
| 15:30.17 | foxlit | gesture control for secure actions is more or less impossible, right? |
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| 15:50.35 | wereHamster | if I A:SetPoint(.., B, ..) and then B:SetPoint(), will the frame A move, too? |
| 15:57.31 | wereHamster | http://pastey.net/80095 - is that working as intended? |
| 15:58.32 | krka | wereHamster: yes |
| 15:58.39 | krka | to question 1 |
| 15:59.26 | wereHamster | I guess I've hit another OnUpdate limitation :( |
| 16:00.12 | nevcairiel | do you ClearAllPoints first? |
| 16:00.19 | nevcairiel | oh nvm |
| 16:00.21 | nevcairiel | i am blind |
| 16:00.21 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 16:04.22 | Taeri | http://www.thesmokinggun.com/graphics/art/flatags11.gif :D |
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| 16:11.45 | laindir | taeri, lol |
| 16:22.47 | JoshBorke | how much NR resist is good for the NR tank unbuffed on Hydross the Unstable? |
| 16:23.42 | [dRaCo] | 295, iirc |
| 16:24.03 | [dRaCo] | that is, if the cap is indeed 365 |
| 16:24.15 | zenzelezz | I disagree |
| 16:24.25 | zenzelezz | unbuffed I only use the three epic crafted pieces and the ring |
| 16:24.33 | zenzelezz | then add the hunter aura and you're fine |
| 16:24.46 | zenzelezz | same for frost |
| 16:24.51 | JoshBorke | i've got 278 unbuffed |
| 16:25.00 | JoshBorke | which would put me at 348 with hunter aura |
| 16:25.07 | zenzelezz | I mean more helps, but if you're crittable you only expose yourself to danger |
| 16:25.22 | [dRaCo] | good point |
| 16:25.39 | laindir | in general, more mitigation is derived from maxing NR than reducing crit... with that in mind, they're both important |
| 16:25.50 | zenzelezz | I went in once with tons of resistance (frost) but got a massive 13k unresisted crit |
| 16:25.51 | [dRaCo] | I change my above statement to as much as you can get without being crittable, max 295 |
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| 16:27.01 | zenzelezz | JoshBorke: are you learning the fight or have you taken him a few times before? |
| 16:30.26 | JoshBorke | zenzelezz: we'd be learning |
| 16:31.08 | zenzelezz | more resistance helps during learning, but I'd still go for crit immune. Once your healers are comfortable with the fight 240 unbuffed should be fine as long as you use the aura |
| 16:31.25 | JoshBorke | ok, thanks |
| 16:31.34 | JoshBorke | what should i use for hands and feet? |
| 16:32.25 | laindir | I don't think there's anything great... unless you want to farm kara animal bosses >.< |
| 16:32.26 | zenzelezz | I'd say normal armor, but you could always use some green ... Protection pieces if you feel it'd help |
| 16:32.49 | zenzelezz | ... Protection pieces are actually very good, especially for add tanks |
| 16:33.12 | JoshBorke | just don't like the idea of replacing the enchants on them is all |
| 16:33.12 | laindir | indeed, just saying you'd be looking at greens, maybe blues, unless you want to farm kara |
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| 16:33.34 | zenzelezz | hey, I use some greens while tanking the Leo demon ;) |
| 16:34.11 | Shirik | !ar 300 |
| 16:34.11 | ThraeBot | Shirik: Arena rating from 300 points is, 2v2: 1545, 3v3: 1487, 5v5: 1302 |
| 16:34.26 | laindir | of course :) my warlocks tanking gear is almost all greens, except for some crafted pieces |
| 16:35.15 | zenzelezz | I'm warrior =D Our lock died too quickly when we started Leo so we went with me because of my extra HP... I'm sure we'd be fine with a lock really, but our healers seemed to prefer it this way |
| 16:35.21 | zenzelezz | and in the end; whatever works :) |
| 16:35.38 | laindir | exactly |
| 16:36.03 | laindir | my main's my shaman, so I respecced my warlock to tank just for the fun of it |
| 16:38.59 | laindir | 0/39/22 ftw XD |
| 16:42.02 | Industrial | does druid have cure disease? |
| 16:42.24 | Fin | don't think so |
| 16:42.29 | Fin | poisons innit |
| 16:42.36 | Fin | priests have cure disease tho |
| 16:42.52 | Industrial | and pallies |
| 16:43.06 | Industrial | and shammies |
| 16:43.08 | Fin | sounds about right |
| 16:43.14 | Industrial | k |
| 16:43.16 | laindir | druid: poison/curse, priest: disease/magic, shaman: poison/disease, pally: poison/disease/magic |
| 16:43.33 | Gnarfoz | mage: curse :> |
| 16:43.46 | Gnarfoz | rogues: everything, but only on self xD |
| 16:43.51 | laindir | hehe, felhunter/doomguard: magic |
| 16:44.34 | Gnarfoz | interesting |
| 16:44.44 | Gnarfoz | abolish poison and cure poison (for druids) cost exactly the same |
| 16:44.49 | laindir | yep |
| 16:45.03 | laindir | you'll find that's true of all ranks of buff/debuff removing spells |
| 16:45.34 | Gnarfoz | yeah, pally dispels are both the same cost, too |
| 16:45.38 | laindir | the only exception is the shaman cleansing totems (they're cheaper than the single spell if resto spec) |
| 16:45.41 | Gnarfoz | (the lowbie one doesn't remove magic) |
| 16:46.23 | Fin | also resurrections, if I'm remembering correctly |
| 16:46.28 | laindir | yep |
| 16:47.26 | Taeri | why is it that family always expects me to visit them, but they can never really find the time to visit me. |
| 16:47.27 | Taeri | + |
| 16:47.29 | Taeri | ? |
| 16:47.46 | laindir | because there's only one of you, and lots of them :( |
| 16:48.08 | Taeri | I only want visits from one of the people in this house. :P |
| 16:48.31 | Taeri | from here, only my dad. From my brothers household, only my brother. So forth and so on. |
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| 16:56.54 | laindir | XD |
| 16:57.51 | foxlit | Stop the presses! ScrollFrame clips its child?! |
| 17:01.03 | Xinhuan | lol? |
| 17:09.40 | Industrial | ~seen polarina |
| 17:09.43 | purl | polarina <n=Polarina@unaffiliated/polarina> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 3h 36m 18s ago, saying: 'bleeter: Do you think it would improve my FPS if I compile the kernel with clock frequency of 1000 Hz instead of 250 Hz?'. |
| 17:10.04 | Industrial | drat |
| 17:11.12 | esteth | Does anyone know if it would be possible to respond to an event whenever a "find resource" circle is made on the minimap? Like when i get close to a herbalism node, i could make a message appear that tells me i'm close? |
| 17:11.14 | wereHamster | with the newer kernels NO_HZ would be a better choice than a fixed timer rate.. |
| 17:18.01 | zenzelezz | what does the setting do anyway? |
| 17:18.43 | ScytheBlade1 | 3Well, the answer to that question is 'yes' ;) |
| 17:19.19 | zenzelezz | I don't see "yes" as a very logical answer to my question |
| 17:19.54 | ScytheBlade1 | What does NO_HZ do? |
| 17:20.32 | wereHamster | no fixed timer, instead the kernel schedules a timer only when needed |
| 17:22.07 | wereHamster | a 1000HZ timer is really bad on laptops for example, using NO_HZ you can save a lot power |
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| 17:53.14 | Industrial | Polarina: Relegation: Can you make it so that the reported spam message enver appears in the chatframe? |
| 17:53.19 | Industrial | never* |
| 17:53.46 | Polarina | Industrial: Sure. I though people liked to see it "working". xD |
| 17:53.51 | Industrial | no |
| 17:53.56 | Industrial | id rather not see anything at all |
| 17:54.23 | Industrial | if you want to know if it works turn it off and run through a city? :P |
| 17:54.43 | Polarina | Industrial: I can make the messages never appear, if you want. :) |
| 17:54.49 | Industrial | please :> |
| 17:54.59 | Industrial | hm if you get reported by another player do you get a notice? |
| 17:55.04 | Polarina | Industrial: No. |
| 17:55.19 | Industrial | I kinda feel like reporting anything that matches "LF#M, LFG, etc" in the trade channel |
| 17:55.34 | Polarina | :) |
| 17:56.44 | Industrial | Anyone play Stepmania? (stepmania.com) I can't find any good songs to play :( All recommendations welcome! |
| 17:57.00 | Shirik | Polarina: Doesn't that kinda defeat the prupose? |
| 17:57.02 | Shirik | Industrial: Yeah |
| 17:57.07 | Polarina | Industrial: I would first have to figure out how to filter chat messages... |
| 17:57.14 | Polarina | Shirik: Possibly. |
| 17:57.18 | Shirik | But I can't talk right now I need to go to the clinic, have fun |
| 17:57.22 | Shirik | ;/nick Shirik|AFK |
| 17:57.27 | Industrial | bye Shirik|AFK |
| 17:57.41 | Shirik|AFK | btw, waka laka |
| 17:57.42 | Shirik|AFK | = win |
| 17:57.49 | Shirik|AFK | but I don't play with a keyboard so |
| 17:57.54 | Industrial | k :> |
| 17:58.03 | Shirik|AFK | I try not to do impossible songs like some of the crap I see out there that's only possible on a keyboard |
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| 17:58.17 | Shirik|AFK | trust me I know some really good people that play DDR and they'll look at it and be like "wtf is this" |
| 17:58.28 | Industrial | Polarina: hook AddMessage(text, r, g, b, id) and dont call the old addmessage to just not display anything if its spam |
| 17:58.46 | Industrial | Shirik|AFK: yeah some stuff is just not fun |
| 17:59.01 | Industrial | hard because its hard |
| 17:59.04 | Polarina | Industrial: I think that would cause taint and unportable between interfaces (For example timestamp addons). |
| 17:59.33 | Industrial | yes |
| 17:59.40 | Industrial | but thats unavoidable |
| 18:00.07 | Polarina | I'll try to look around. |
| 18:00.11 | Industrial | but if you dont return anything the next hook will just not happen |
| 18:00.25 | Industrial | if theres no message to timestamp etc |
| 18:00.38 | Industrial | Shirik|AFK: its more fun when it matches with the music :P |
| 18:01.45 | Thunder_Child | 30 hours of no power make TC somthing something |
| 18:02.30 | |Jelly| | go crazy? |
| 18:03.07 | Industrial | read books? |
| 18:03.13 | Industrial | (haha, books) |
| 18:03.17 | zenzelezz | in the dark? |
| 18:03.19 | Thunder_Child | both actually |
| 18:03.29 | Industrial | zenzelezz: by candlelight ofcourse |
| 18:03.36 | Thunder_Child | more like flashlight |
| 18:03.44 | Industrial | ^^ |
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| 18:05.01 | Polarina | Heh! I found a reliable way. :) |
| 18:05.23 | Industrial | :o how |
| 18:05.26 | Industrial | <-- has a chat addon |
| 18:05.53 | Polarina | And doesn't break other addons. :D |
| 18:06.12 | Saint-N | you must not be doing it right then ;) |
| 18:06.19 | Polarina | ? |
| 18:06.30 | Saint-N | its one of the cardinal rules |
| 18:06.41 | Saint-N | it must break another addon or it's no good ;P |
| 18:06.45 | Industrial | lol |
| 18:06.56 | Industrial | the cardinal has rules on wow addons? |
| 18:07.01 | Industrial | *badoom tisch* |
| 18:07.02 | Saint-N | heh yup |
| 18:07.38 | Saint-N | it's right up there with "ace it and it becomes faster better stronger and can make the nananananana sound when it runs or jumps" |
| 18:09.42 | Industrial | the nananana sound? :P |
| 18:17.44 | Polarina | Industrial: I'm starting to implement the filter. |
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| 18:19.33 | Polarina | Hello Tuller. |
| 18:19.39 | Tuller | hello |
| 18:19.52 | Polarina | Tuller: Have you seen my new addon? :P |
| 18:19.58 | Tuller | nope! |
| 18:20.06 | Polarina | You should. |
| 18:20.12 | Saint-N | industrial: like the bionic man, say that out loud fast and you'll get the idea |
| 18:20.37 | cladhaire | Polarina: how can he see if, if he doesn't know what it is. |
| 18:21.17 | cladhaire | replace "he" with I" :as well |
| 18:21.27 | Polarina | cladhaire: WowInterface -> Search -> Select "Author" and deselect others and search for "Polarina". |
| 18:21.37 | cladhaire | or you could link it |
| 18:21.41 | cladhaire | cause i can't be arsed to hunt for things |
| 18:21.51 | Polarina | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info8030-Relegation.html |
| 18:21.55 | cladhaire | thanks :P |
| 18:22.03 | Polarina | You're welcome. |
| 18:22.14 | cladhaire | cool |
| 18:22.44 | Thunder_Child | "(10:21:41) (@cladhaire) cause i can't be arsed to hunt for things" lazy bastard |
| 18:22.52 | cladhaire | yes, so? |
| 18:23.02 | Thunder_Child | just pointing it out |
| 18:23.18 | cladhaire | fair enough :P |
| 18:24.00 | Thunder_Child | 30 hours of not being able to instult anyone has left me with an abundance of it |
| 18:24.25 | cladhaire | heh |
| 18:24.28 | Tuller | Polarina: interesting, but not something I need myself :) |
| 18:24.39 | Polarina | Tuller: Why? |
| 18:24.46 | Tuller | I don't get gold seller spam :P |
| 18:25.05 | Polarina | Tuller: You know, when you stand in Ironforge and they spamming the say channel. |
| 18:25.23 | cladhaire | i don't get that |
| 18:25.28 | Tuller | yeah, I don't actually stay in cities usually |
| 18:25.36 | Tuller | but I know it exists on other servers |
| 18:25.39 | Thunder_Child | neither do i, but then i dont stay in any large citys |
| 18:25.45 | zenzelezz | Polarina: are you telling him because of something he's said or because you assume everyone needs your addons? |
| 18:26.17 | Polarina | zenzelezz: I was simply curious. |
| 18:27.24 | Polarina | zenzelezz: Tuller is a friend of mine. :) |
| 18:27.44 | zenzelezz | I'm only asking because to an outsider it looked like you were trying to push it on him |
| 18:27.53 | Polarina | Sorry. |
| 18:28.04 | cladhaire | whats it do differently than other gold blokcing addons? |
| 18:28.12 | Polarina | cladhaire: It reports them. |
| 18:28.13 | cladhaire | ut of curiousity? |
| 18:28.26 | cladhaire | there are others that do that |
| 18:28.30 | cladhaire | but cool |
| 18:28.34 | Polarina | cladhaire: The other addons I've seen just ignore them. |
| 18:29.24 | Saint-N | and those reports of false positives? |
| 18:29.33 | Saint-N | reporting people not spamming gold selling? |
| 18:29.46 | Polarina | Saint-N: Huh? |
| 18:29.52 | Saint-N | you report them and they get a vacation or possible ban because you filtered badly? |
| 18:30.09 | Polarina | Saint-N: What do you mean? |
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| 18:30.35 | Saint-N | how does it determine if its an actual spam or someone who happens to be standing around you bitching about the spam andmocking it? |
| 18:30.57 | Polarina | Saint-N: It's very accurate on only reporting genuine gold spammers. |
| 18:31.12 | Saint-N | ie Bushkitty says ' got i ahte those 'lowest priced gold on the net come to my.frigging.stupid.gold.site.com' |
| 18:31.14 | Polarina | Saint-N: I'm using a public cryptography system. |
| 18:31.41 | Saint-N | would something like that get reported? |
| 18:31.45 | Matrix110 | Saint-N it doesnt matter anyway if you report others |
| 18:31.47 | Polarina | Saint-N: No. |
| 18:32.04 | Matrix110 | nothing happens when <20ppl report |
| 18:32.13 | Saint-N | matrix: having been banned for 3 days because someone reported me calling myself a dick, you can get others banned quite easily |
| 18:32.21 | Polarina | Saint-N: It doesn't match if a certain string appears within a message, it matches the entire message. |
| 18:32.32 | Matrix110 | thats something different |
| 18:32.32 | Saint-N | ahh |
| 18:32.36 | Saint-N | not at all |
| 18:32.38 | Matrix110 | i just mean the spamming |
| 18:32.44 | Saint-N | it depends on how it was reported |
| 18:32.47 | Saint-N | ;) |
| 18:33.09 | Matrix110 | or that but if you get reported via rightlick Report Spam it doesnt matter |
| 18:33.15 | Saint-N | so polar, it creates and keeps a log of chat messages? |
| 18:33.36 | Polarina | Saint-N: No, a seperate addon, RelegationW, does that who I use to catch their advertisements. |
| 18:33.37 | Saint-N | i wouldnt say nothing happens |
| 18:33.47 | Saint-N | ahh okay that makes sense then |
| 18:34.00 | Saint-N | blizzard tends to ban in clumps |
| 18:34.23 | Matrix110 | Well just an example |
| 18:34.31 | Saint-N | so while joeblow might not be an actual spammer if some kids are screwing around and mark him as such he "could" get a 3 day because of a joke |
| 18:34.36 | Saint-N | in a banwave |
| 18:34.41 | Saint-N | or lose his account completely |
| 18:34.48 | Saint-N | with very little chance of him getting it back |
| 18:34.49 | Matrix110 | We got funny people spamming the Itemlink of [Dirge] or [Krol Blade] and nothing happens to them atall even if you report all 60 |
| 18:35.05 | Matrix110 | and 10+ ppl reported them |
| 18:35.13 | Saint-N | so you kind of have to get picky about the reporting and make sure its doing it for whats its supposed to and not just accidental randomness |
| 18:35.30 | Polarina | Matrix110: What realm? |
| 18:35.40 | Matrix110 | kazzak |
| 18:35.41 | Saint-N | you guys have never seen a krol blade? |
| 18:35.43 | Matrix110 | (eu) |
| 18:35.46 | Polarina | Matrix110: Ok. |
| 18:36.19 | Matrix110 | There are Itemlink spam block addons but i like to report them and mark them as Retard in my chatmod so i see it everytime they try to interact with me:P |
| 18:37.28 | Matrix110 | But ill check your Addon to prevent gold spamming |
| 18:37.40 | Matrix110 | Spam Sentry got me to annoying someday so i deleted it |
| 18:40.18 | Matrix110 | lets see if prat and your addon like running together |
| 18:40.50 | Polarina | Matrix110: It will. :) |
| 18:40.57 | Polarina | Matrix110: And by the way, what is prat? |
| 18:41.16 | Matrix110 | Prat is the most bloated chatmods that exists |
| 18:41.20 | Matrix110 | but as i use 90% of the features |
| 18:41.25 | Matrix110 | i keep it |
| 18:41.38 | cladhaire | mumble |
| 18:41.40 | cladhaire | <3 |
| 18:41.42 | Polarina | It would be interesting to see. :) |
| 18:42.03 | Matrix110 | .......... logged of in IF bla |
| 18:42.15 | Matrix110 | our realm got some bug atm when you zone the 1st time into Azreroth you dc... |
| 18:43.59 | Matrix110 | is there a notification if you block smth or just works? |
| 18:44.31 | Polarina | It shows "Complaint Registered". |
| 18:44.58 | Matrix110 | ok |
| 18:48.58 | Saint-N | polar: you should have a minimap button toggle that shows its "blocked" log instead |
| 18:49.18 | Polarina | Saint-N: Huh? |
| 18:49.18 | Saint-N | seems kind of silly to have a line saying "reported" for something thats meant to cut down on spam |
| 18:49.30 | Polarina | Saint-N: I'm working on it. :) |
| 18:49.52 | Polarina | Saint-N: I'm working on making it silently report them and ignore them. |
| 18:49.55 | Saint-N | heh like a log you can look at that would show Reported Name Line |
| 18:50.02 | Saint-N | that sorta thingy |
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| 18:52.36 | Industrial | or just a number |
| 18:52.44 | Industrial | lines reported :# |
| 18:53.25 | Polarina | I'm not the one to design your ideas... |
| 18:54.18 | Industrial | haha just thinking out loud :P I personally dont need to see any feedback |
| 19:14.36 | Polarina | I'm also doing some code cleanup. :) |
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| 19:32.37 | Thunder_Child | ~feedback |
| 19:32.38 | purl | <eleusis> this bot is cool |
| 19:33.24 | Thunder_Child | ~wow |
| 19:33.25 | purl | I have no life | Lets go raid! |
| 19:33.33 | Thunder_Child | lol |
| 19:34.04 | Polarina | ~wow |
| 19:34.04 | purl | I have no life | Lets go raid! |
| 19:34.06 | Polarina | :D |
| 19:35.02 | Thunder_Child | ~factinfo wow |
| 19:35.02 | purl | wow -- last modified at Mon Sep 24 02:40:41 2007 by Adys!n=Adys@APoitiers-257-1-6-128.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr; it has been requested 27 times, last by Polarina, 58s ago. |
| 19:35.21 | Thunder_Child | heh, adys |
| 19:35.49 | Thunder_Child | ~wowi |
| 19:35.50 | purl | hmm... wowi is http://www.wowinterface.com |
| 19:36.00 | ScytheBlade1 | ~factinfo lart |
| 19:36.00 | purl | ScytheBlade1: there's no such factoid as lart |
| 19:36.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Boo |
| 19:36.12 | ScytheBlade1 | I wanted to see how often that had been requested :( |
| 19:36.29 | Thunder_Child | it's ~factinfo lart plus whatever the targeting command is |
| 19:36.38 | Polarina | ~factinfo lart Polarina |
| 19:36.38 | purl | Polarina: there's no such factoid as lart polarina |
| 19:36.42 | Thunder_Child | ~factinfo lart $nick |
| 19:36.42 | purl | there's no such factoid as lart $nick, Thunder_Child |
| 19:36.44 | Thunder_Child | meh |
| 19:37.00 | Thunder_Child | ~factinfo lart $n |
| 19:37.00 | purl | Thunder_Child: there's no such factoid as lart $n |
| 19:37.03 | zenzelezz | "lart" isn't a factoid, it's an external module |
| 19:37.17 | Fin | ~literal lart |
| 19:37.42 | Fin | FINE |
| 19:37.51 | Saint-N | ~lart3mis |
| 19:37.52 | purl | ACTION smacks art3mis upside the head just cuz |
| 19:37.54 | Thunder_Child | zenzelezz, your a killjoy |
| 19:38.03 | zenzelezz | yes, but I'm right |
| 19:38.04 | End | heh |
| 19:38.06 | zenzelezz | in this case |
| 19:38.10 | Fin | el pooper de parte |
| 19:38.16 | End | 12:37 <End> hi |
| 19:38.16 | End | 12:37 <purl> niihau, end |
| 19:39.26 | purl | cuts Thunder_Child into thin stripes, courtesy of end |
| 19:39.54 | End | damn, it adds the courtesy part :P |
| 19:39.55 | Thunder_Child | well i suppose i should return the courtesy then |
| 19:40.05 | End | (figured as much though) |
| 19:40.14 | Thunder_Child | ~nuke End |
| 19:40.15 | purl | ACTION prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at End ... B☢☢M! |
| 19:40.22 | Thunder_Child | ~end end |
| 19:40.26 | Thunder_Child | boo |
| 19:40.30 | End | ~end |
| 19:40.31 | purl | i heard end is near. |
| 19:40.32 | Polarina | ~emulate End |
| 19:40.33 | purl | ACTION gets distracted. |
| 19:43.01 | Thunder_Child | ah, nothing makes me think of WoW more than seeing 15 different addons telling me i dont know how to play |
| 19:43.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Wow |
| 19:43.28 | End | Well, I'm not an AddOn, but you don't know how to play |
| 19:43.30 | ScytheBlade1 | That's sig worthy |
| 19:44.00 | Thunder_Child | End, i already knew that...the addons told me |
| 19:44.11 | Thunder_Child | they told me to kill you as well |
| 19:44.14 | End | Well, certaintly they would know, since they're addons |
| 19:44.15 | End | eep |
| 19:44.21 | Thunder_Child | but i'm on a diff server :( |
| 19:45.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Bam, new sig |
| 19:45.56 | Saint-N | but if the addons didnt tell you how else would you know? |
| 19:46.07 | Saint-N | i mean aside from a bit of realistic self perspective |
| 19:46.09 | End | I'm not an AddOn, but you could ask me |
| 19:46.27 | End | I mean, really, you should consult an AddOn, but I don't think my advice is completely worthless |
| 19:46.35 | Saint-N | no you're and "of file" or "of line" or something the means justifies ;P |
| 19:46.44 | End | heh |
| 19:47.14 | Saint-N | ever watched Cow and Chicken? |
| 19:47.26 | Thunder_Child | not since i left the farm |
| 19:47.36 | Saint-N | so yesterday? |
| 19:47.42 | Thunder_Child | 2 days ago |
| 19:47.49 | Saint-N | i KNEW there was a palce they raised nooblets |
| 19:48.03 | Saint-N | anyways, at the end of each cartoon cows voice says END |
| 19:48.11 | Thunder_Child | ofc you do, you came from there |
| 19:48.14 | Saint-N | and thats what i hear in my head each time i read anything "end" says |
| 19:48.23 | Saint-N | not recently |
| 19:48.39 | Saint-N | recently i came for yer mom |
| 19:48.44 | Saint-N | err from ;P |
| 19:48.55 | Saint-N | hehe xkcd |
| 19:48.57 | Thunder_Child | that would be...of |
| 19:48.57 | zenzelezz | prematurely |
| 19:49.03 | Thunder_Child | s/of/odd/ |
| 19:49.16 | Saint-N | if you'd have seen his mom prematurely isnt quick enough ;) |
| 19:49.43 | Thunder_Child | that would make you a necropheliac of the highest order |
| 19:50.07 | Saint-N | after a few months they get squishy enough that AN place is a potential ;P |
| 19:50.11 | Saint-N | ANY |
| 19:50.35 | Thunder_Child | whatever floats your boat |
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| 19:50.45 | Saint-N | i have a boat? |
| 19:50.48 | Saint-N | neat |
| 19:50.52 | Saint-N | wonder where it is |
| 19:51.04 | Thunder_Child | <check your pants> |
| 19:51.14 | Saint-N | thats not a boat |
| 19:51.19 | Saint-N | its a ship ;) |
| 19:51.28 | Thunder_Child | more like a dingy |
| 19:51.36 | Thunder_Child | i dont think i speeled that right |
| 19:51.57 | Thunder_Child | dinghy then |
| 19:52.11 | Thunder_Child | spelled* *sigh* |
| 19:53.35 | Thunder_Child | someone xfer over to my server so you can PL me |
| 19:53.40 | Matrix110 | wtf |
| 19:53.54 | Matrix110 | now they even start with "Want 100,000 Health and Mana? Want to solo instances by yourself?" "Visit XXXXXX for the latest WoW hacks" |
| 19:55.30 | Polarina | They do? |
| 19:55.57 | Polarina | Matrix110: Install RelegationW and catch their advertisements, then send me the SavedVariables file. |
| 19:56.00 | End | Fin: Yatlas has shitty code quality. I should know, because I wrote it |
| 19:56.08 | Matrix110 | how do i "catch" them? |
| 19:56.18 | Polarina | Matrix110: It's automatic. |
| 19:56.20 | Matrix110 | ah |
| 19:56.20 | End | (in response to a post you made on wowace) |
| 19:56.31 | Polarina | Matrix110: Just have the message appear in your chat frame and it saves it to that file. |
| 19:56.47 | Fin | End: que |
| 19:57.29 | Fin | End: which post, sorry? |
| 19:57.53 | End | http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=10486.msg166848#msg166848 |
| 19:58.01 | End | a few weeks ago apparently |
| 19:58.30 | Matrix110 | hmm Polarina Relegation doesnt have any SVs for me Oo |
| 19:58.33 | Lukian | Polarina, can I just upload the lines out of that file that are spam? |
| 19:58.35 | Matrix110 | neither in SV or Charname/SV |
| 19:58.40 | Lukian | Matrix110, RelegationW |
| 19:58.41 | Polarina | Matrix110: RelegationW is a seperate addon. |
| 19:58.45 | Fin | End: oh yeah, I remember that - but like I said in the post, I don't really remember Yatlas that well, I was just trying to help out the OP |
| 19:58.45 | Matrix110 | oh |
| 19:58.54 | Fin | but hey, grats on Yatlas |
| 19:58.55 | Polarina | Lukian: Yes, and then send me a email with it. |
| 19:58.59 | Fin | why Yatlas, incidentally? |
| 19:59.10 | Thunder_Child | sadism |
| 19:59.10 | Lukian | I'm lazy, can I use pastey? :D |
| 19:59.10 | End | because it is very similar to Atlas |
| 19:59.12 | Polarina | Matrix110: http://files.wowace.com/RelegationW/ |
| 19:59.18 | Polarina | Lukian: NO! |
| 19:59.21 | Fin | the Y was just random? |
| 19:59.24 | End | I'd do YAAtlas |
| 19:59.26 | wereHamster | ~wdn |
| 19:59.26 | purl | World of Warcraft Developer Network, a website where you can see the changes made to WoW's interface files between versions and also where you can download said versions. http://wdn.wowinterface.com/ |
| 19:59.28 | End | yet another |
| 19:59.32 | Lukian | Polarina, haha what email then? |
| 19:59.41 | Fin | ahaa |
| 19:59.43 | Polarina | Lukian: gabrielp@simnet.is |
| 19:59.43 | Fin | gorrit |
| 19:59.52 | End | (although, I think I'd rename it if people didn't know it by that name already) |
| 20:00.19 | Matrix110 | now idleing has a reason |
| 20:00.22 | Matrix110 | to fight spam! :P |
| 20:00.34 | Polarina | Matrix110: Exactly. :) |
| 20:00.43 | End | I idle because that is what IRC is for... |
| 20:00.49 | End | oh, you mean WoW :P |
| 20:01.04 | wereHamster | is there a webpage containing the wow artwork? like wdn for the artwork? |
| 20:01.09 | Thunder_Child | idle for truth, justice and the wowian way |
| 20:02.58 | Thunder_Child | wereHamster, what kind of art? |
| 20:03.34 | wereHamster | Interface\\Tooltips\\UI-Tooltip-Border and -Background |
| 20:03.50 | End | I've often wished for that too |
| 20:04.09 | End | I don't care about versioning in that case |
| 20:04.14 | End | but just browsing would be nice |
| 20:04.25 | End | alas, I'm too lazy/busy to help the situation :P |
| 20:04.35 | wereHamster | basically what I want is a backdrop with zero insets but round edges.. |
| 20:05.00 | Lukian | Polarina, k, sent one through |
| 20:05.18 | Polarina | Lukian: Send it as an attachment. |
| 20:05.26 | Lukian | bah :p |
| 20:06.07 | Polarina | Lukian: My script needs the original file (You may strip non-gold spamming entries though). |
| 20:06.13 | Lukian | ah I see :) |
| 20:08.17 | Lukian | Polarina, how'd that go? :) |
| 20:08.48 | Saint-N | i need to find a tooltip thats as simple and groovy as aftte |
| 20:08.58 | Polarina | Lukian: Better, and thanks. :) |
| 20:09.04 | Saint-N | ~wwjd |
| 20:09.05 | purl | somebody said wwjd was WWJD? JWRTFM!!! |
| 20:09.17 | Saint-N | haha |
| 20:11.00 | Polarina | Lukian: It'll be included in the next update. :) |
| 20:11.13 | kergoth | hahah |
| 20:11.48 | Saint-N | hrm |
| 20:12.03 | Saint-N | i wish i could find some good money making idear for my domain "gothi.ca" |
| 20:12.30 | Polarina | Saint-N: Mining! |
| 20:13.14 | Saint-N | i keep floundering back and forth between some sorta vamp/emo/goth myspace/facebook thing, a porn site, or some vamp/emo/bdsm kind of dating chat site |
| 20:13.38 | Thunder_Child | ~wwmgd |
| 20:13.39 | Saint-N | then part of me just wants to make some neat sorta portal hub with things i like and some neat games |
| 20:13.43 | Thunder_Child | boo |
| 20:13.50 | Saint-N | what would my grandma do? |
| 20:14.04 | Saint-N | ~wwkd |
| 20:14.11 | Saint-N | What Would King Do |
| 20:14.20 | Saint-N | for anyone thats seen Ready to Rumble |
| 20:14.25 | Thunder_Child | What Would Macgyver Do |
| 20:14.49 | Saint-N | put out his eye with an eleasticband, paperclip and a straw |
| 20:14.53 | Saint-N | elastic |
| 20:15.04 | Thunder_Child | it's a do it yourself website i think |
| 20:15.05 | Saint-N | pola: mining, heh yeah data mining! |
| 20:15.23 | Saint-N | so what should i do with my domain? |
| 20:15.36 | Thunder_Child | fix it |
| 20:15.45 | Saint-N | and more importantly anyone wanna make me neat nerd games and graphics? |
| 20:15.47 | Saint-N | heh |
| 20:15.53 | Saint-N | i dont think i "can" fix it |
| 20:15.57 | Saint-N | that was made in 2006 |
| 20:16.11 | Thunder_Child | i can see why it didnt go anywhere |
| 20:16.14 | Saint-N | im betting that mysql being 5.something is whats causing the problems |
| 20:16.33 | Saint-N | i suppose i could go through the code and figure out WHY it's dropping the mysql feed |
| 20:16.48 | Thunder_Child | not worth it |
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| 20:16.56 | Saint-N | although i could just make a nix box and host it locally with old versions |
| 20:17.02 | Saint-N | yeah pretty much |
| 20:17.13 | wereHamster | wtf gimp says Opening UI-Tooltip-Border.blp' failed: Unknown file type |
| 20:17.15 | Saint-N | the novelty of it is neat but sustained interested past like 5 posts drops |
| 20:17.24 | Saint-N | gotta convert it |
| 20:17.35 | Saint-N | gimp can only support what you've got support for |
| 20:17.43 | Saint-N | blp2tga |
| 20:19.48 | wereHamster | I thought unix had a tool for that, like 'convert' or something |
| 20:20.32 | Fin | units |
| 20:20.42 | Fin | wait, no |
| 20:20.43 | Fin | who? |
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| 20:21.42 | End | I doubt convert understands blp |
| 20:21.43 | Saint-N | were thers a javascript for it |
| 20:21.56 | Saint-N | that works like acharm for me |
| 20:22.37 | wereHamster | javascript? |
| 20:22.41 | End | my version of convert doesn't understand blp at least :P |
| 20:22.59 | foxlit | ~blp2png |
| 20:22.59 | purl | well, blp2png is http://vector.digifort.com/blp.php, a simple blp to png conversion script. Bonus points for finding a valid BLP it won't parse! Thanks to foxlit for the great script! |
| 20:23.12 | foxlit | hah, self-promotion :P |
| 20:23.54 | wereHamster | thanks |
| 20:24.47 | Thunder_Child | (fyi, the bonus points dont get you anything) |
| 20:24.55 | Fisker- | lulz foxlit |
| 20:25.00 | Fisker- | you need batch conversion |
| 20:25.02 | Fisker- | rawr |
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| 20:25.06 | Fisker- | else fail |
| 20:25.32 | Thunder_Child | damit, i hate trying to find fozy |
| 20:25.57 | wereHamster | can wow load png? |
| 20:26.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Nope |
| 20:26.51 | ScytheBlade1 | blp and tga |
| 20:27.52 | Saint-N | thunder: they dont get YOU anything |
| 20:30.59 | Thunder_Child | Saint-N, wha? |
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| 20:32.19 | Thunder_Child | oh |
| 20:32.35 | Thunder_Child | thats not very nice |
| 20:37.43 | Thunder_Child | heh, i got 1 shot |
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| 20:51.16 | Polarina | Industrial: The filtering works but the chat bubble still appears over their head. |
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| 20:53.47 | Industrial | Polarina: right |
| 20:54.18 | Polarina | "Dude, you suck, stop being a n00b." said a gold spammer. Should I add that to the list? |
| 20:55.18 | Matrix110 | hmm |
| 20:55.24 | Matrix110 | its not really only gold spammer specific |
| 20:55.26 | Industrial | no |
| 20:55.37 | Industrial | I think they are trying you to |
| 20:55.51 | Industrial | so it will create problems when stuff is auto blocked when other people say that |
| 20:55.59 | Industrial | and there will be complaining etc |
| 20:56.05 | Matrix110 | but could you "link" messages from the same person? |
| 20:56.22 | Polarina | Then right after that he said "Download the Stat Changer for WoW." |
| 20:56.26 | Matrix110 | so if he says "Dude, you suck, stop being a n00b." and " XXXX " then ban |
| 20:56.38 | Matrix110 | email btw? |
| 20:56.44 | Matrix110 | so i can send the SV |
| 20:56.48 | Industrial | yeah you could "watch" him for like 10 sec |
| 20:56.48 | Polarina | Matrix110: gabrielp@simnet.is |
| 20:56.58 | Polarina | Industrial: It watches everyone. |
| 20:57.03 | Industrial | Polarina: yes |
| 20:57.28 | Matrix110 | ok sent |
| 20:58.04 | Polarina | Matrix110: Thanks. |
| 21:00.45 | Polarina | I need to find where the game adds the "Complaint Registered" message. |
| 21:02.21 | Industrial | Polarina: how are you blocking the spam message now? |
| 21:03.13 | Matrix110 | if the checksum of a chatmessage is the same as from a saved one it gets ignored |
| 21:03.15 | Polarina | Industrial: It blocks them, but it doesn't block the Complaint Registered message and I can't find in FrameXML where it adds that message. |
| 21:04.04 | Industrial | Polarina: yes but how are you doing it? are you hooking ChatFrame#:AddMessage() ? |
| 21:04.27 | Polarina | Industrial: No. |
| 21:04.32 | Industrial | then how :p |
| 21:04.44 | Matrix110 | read the code :P |
| 21:04.51 | Polarina | It's a secret until I release the code. |
| 21:05.04 | Industrial | ... |
| 21:05.16 | Industrial | so then I cant help you with this. |
| 21:05.37 | cladhaire | .. secrets? |
| 21:05.39 | cladhaire | just cause? |
| 21:05.45 | cladhaire | eat |
| 21:05.52 | Polarina | Industrial: You can find where it adds "Complaint Registered" to the chat message. :) |
| 21:06.04 | Industrial | Polarina: I'm more interested in the code :p |
| 21:06.25 | Polarina | Industrial: I don't need to know how to block it, I need to find where it adds it. |
| 21:06.41 | Industrial | but I DO need to know how to block what you are already blocking |
| 21:06.47 | Industrial | as you say without an addmessage hook |
| 21:07.08 | Industrial | because I have an addon where I am using that, and it DOES interfere with other addons |
| 21:07.32 | Polarina | Industrial: http://rafb.net/p/nfrK6l41.html |
| 21:09.29 | Polarina | Industrial: Will you now help me? :) |
| 21:09.35 | Industrial | ah, so thats basically the same :P |
| 21:09.41 | Industrial | Polarina: it might be in the systemeventhandler then |
| 21:09.50 | Industrial | since it has the system chat text color |
| 21:10.02 | Polarina | Industrial: File name? |
| 21:10.24 | Industrial | http://wdnaddons.com/2307561/FrameXML/ChatFrame.lua |
| 21:10.29 | Polarina | Thanks. |
| 21:10.33 | Industrial | function ChatFrame_SystemEventHandler |
| 21:10.34 | Industrial | np |
| 21:12.04 | Industrial | meh looking thought the blizzard code always makes me think about how nice it would be to be able to rip it all out and use my own code for everything, but you cant touch their stuff :< |
| 21:12.09 | Industrial | through* |
| 21:12.25 | foxlit | You can touch their stuff |
| 21:12.28 | Industrial | I mean, SO much is going on underneath (even in the lua, not even the C side) |
| 21:12.31 | foxlit | You just wouldn't get very far |
| 21:12.46 | Industrial | that could be SO much less and faster end more efficient etc |
| 21:12.59 | foxlit | and do SO much less :) |
| 21:13.04 | Industrial | yes |
| 21:13.04 | Industrial | :D |
| 21:15.01 | Polarina | Industrial: I can't see it there. Could you give me a line number? |
| 21:15.50 | Industrial | I dont think its somewhere in the lua, but just passed through that handler |
| 21:16.02 | Industrial | you could filter it out with a text:match() |
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| 21:16.10 | cladhaire | whats the question? |
| 21:16.28 | Polarina | cladhaire: I need to find where in FrameXML it adds the message "Complaint Registered" to the chat frame. |
| 21:16.41 | cladhaire | the event handler for CHAT_MSG_SYSTEM |
| 21:16.57 | Polarina | What file and line? |
| 21:17.24 | foxlit | Polarina: what you are looking for does not exist |
| 21:17.31 | Polarina | foxlit: Huh? |
| 21:17.41 | foxlit | There is no ChatFrame:AddMessage("Complaint Registered"); |
| 21:17.56 | Polarina | But where does that line come from then? |
| 21:18.44 | Shirik | So this is when you know you're in a guild with complete nutjobs like yourse |
| 21:18.47 | Shirik | yourself*: |
| 21:18.59 | cladhaire | it comes from the C side |
| 21:19.01 | cladhaire | there's no Lua handler fo rit |
| 21:19.08 | cladhaire | i.e. you need to hook AddMessage as far as I can see |
| 21:19.14 | Polarina | cladhaire: Why the hell would they do it like that? |
| 21:19.22 | cladhaire | Why the hell woudln't they? |
| 21:19.25 | cladhaire | and why does it matter to you? |
| 21:19.29 | foxlit | They don't |
| 21:19.34 | foxlit | It's a regular CHAT_MSG_SYSTEM |
| 21:19.47 | foxlit | And yes, that comes from the C side :) |
| 21:19.53 | Polarina | cladhaire: Because they are making the game to know as little as possible about the UI. |
| 21:19.57 | cladhaire | foxlit: no, the addmessage HAPPENS from the c side |
| 21:20.00 | foxlit | (the difference is that C-side doesn't call :AddMessage) |
| 21:20.11 | cladhaire | foxlit: not as far as I can tell |
| 21:20.21 | foxlit | How far can you tell? |
| 21:20.31 | cladhaire | ChatFrame.lua:"CHAT_MSG_SYSTEM", |
| 21:20.31 | foxlit | /dteventtrace says its a regular system message |
| 21:20.31 | cladhaire | GlobalStrings.lua:CHAT_MSG_SYSTEM = "System"; |
| 21:20.36 | cladhaire | the event is not registered for |
| 21:20.43 | cladhaire | the event is not "handled" by any lua code that I can see |
| 21:20.55 | cladhaire | I'm possibly wrong, but I'm just going off what I have |
| 21:21.51 | cladhaire | there is no fallback handler in ChatFrame_SystemEventHandler |
| 21:22.10 | cladhaire | ChatFrame_MessageEventHandler |
| 21:22.12 | cladhaire | its handled there |
| 21:22.32 | cladhaire | ChatFrame.lua:2218 |
| 21:22.39 | cladhaire | a tiny bit of legwork would have found that, Polarina |
| 21:23.12 | Polarina | cladhaire: I've been scrolling up and down in that file and found nothing... |
| 21:23.25 | cladhaire | you first look for CHAT_MSG_SYSTEM |
| 21:23.29 | cladhaire | not finding it, you look at the basic event handlers |
| 21:23.35 | cladhaire | they are dispatched into three other handlers |
| 21:23.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Erm, question for the channel: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3707966744&sid=1&pageNo=2#31 |
| 21:23.45 | cladhaire | the third handles CHAT_MSG messages |
| 21:23.47 | ScytheBlade1 | What exactly is Syndri saying there? |
| 21:24.07 | Polarina | cladhaire: So it's some kind of a fallback function? |
| 21:24.15 | cladhaire | no, its an event handler.. |
| 21:24.20 | cladhaire | and it adds the message to the chat frame |
| 21:24.41 | Polarina | cladhaire: I need a localised string of "Complaint Registered" then to be able to filter it. :( |
| 21:24.52 | foxlit | cladhaire: confirm it's a regular event? :) |
| 21:25.03 | cladhaire | COMPLAINT_ADDED = "Complaint Registered."; |
| 21:25.13 | Polarina | Where is that defined? |
| 21:25.22 | cladhaire | foxlit: confirm |
| 21:25.24 | cladhaire | I suggest tyou learn the grep tool |
| 21:25.26 | cladhaire | in GlobalStrings.lua |
| 21:25.28 | cladhaire | with the rest of them |
| 21:25.30 | cladhaire | :P |
| 21:25.33 | Polarina | cladhaire: Thanks. |
| 21:25.39 | cladhaire | I'm being patient on purpose, I do realize you don't understand the full structure of the UI |
| 21:25.48 | cladhaire | but it helps if you ask questions, rather than ask us to do it for you :P |
| 21:26.03 | Polarina | :) |
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| 21:26.18 | Polarina | ADDON_BANNED = "Banned"; -- o.O |
| 21:26.32 | ScytheBlade1 | That's been in there for a while |
| 21:28.08 | Shirik | So yeah, http://images.gammatester.com/pics/b11485fed228459a6bd9cd5305335380.jpg |
| 21:29.20 | cladhaire | lol |
| 21:29.33 | NightHawkTheSane | he has a perfectly valid point. :P |
| 21:29.46 | End | someone did that for pizza in my guild |
| 21:30.12 | End | in the middle of the raid it was like "pizza - 12:00" |
| 21:30.43 | Saint-N | heh thats pretty rad |
| 21:31.03 | ScytheBlade1 | gg |
| 21:42.41 | Polarina | Haha... Filtering out the Complaint Registered. message was simpler than I thought, and it works! :D |
| 21:42.50 | Polarina | Now I need to figure out how to remove these chat bubbles. |
| 21:43.05 | cladhaire | good luck there |
| 21:43.45 | Polarina | I hope it won't be difficult to figure it out.. |
| 21:43.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Okay, stupid question... addons that "let people group queue for AV": allowed or not? |
| 21:44.07 | cladhaire | ScytheBlade1: according to taht post, not allowed |
| 21:44.36 | cladhaire | because it re-adds functionality that has been removed intentionally |
| 21:45.27 | ScytheBlade1 | cladhaire: but to go along with the "UI philosophy"... instead of throwing out "bannedlol" they would have instead simply protected the "join" function |
| 21:45.40 | ScytheBlade1 | And they've had over a year to do so.. |
| 21:45.50 | cladhaire | I'm just going off what I read :P |
| 21:46.04 | cladhaire | blizxzard has many hands, and they don't all know what each other is doing |
| 21:46.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, that's why I'm asking |
| 21:46.28 | cladhaire | You'd need to ask Slouken |
| 21:46.30 | cladhaire | and he wouldn't respond |
| 21:46.39 | cladhaire | because its not his business to get involved in those sorts of questions |
| 21:46.58 | ScytheBlade1 | I just wanted to make sure that I was aware of any "huge policy changes" before I posted this big ol' reply to Syndri |
| 21:47.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, I know |
| 21:47.29 | ScytheBlade1 | If that's really "against the rules" that's a pretty big change to the rules which we know |
| 21:50.07 | Fisker- | that's retarded Shirik |
| 21:50.09 | Fisker- | i mean using DBM |
| 21:50.26 | Shirik | that's what I said! |
| 21:50.36 | Shirik | But NightHawkTheSane is right he does raise a valid point |
| 21:50.39 | Shirik | egg timers cost money |
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| 21:52.10 | Lopeppeppy | Yerk. I already regret going green! |
| 21:53.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Heh |
| 21:53.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Why's that? |
| 21:53.29 | Lopeppeppy | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3773460325&postId=37728516182&sid=1#11 |
| 21:53.53 | Lopeppeppy | I soooo want to weigh in about the difference between a legally coded addon and a third party program! |
| 21:54.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Actually |
| 21:54.12 | ScytheBlade1 | I did that for you (in another thread) |
| 21:54.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Wasn't going to link it, but here: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3707966744&sid=1&pageNo=3#47 |
| 21:54.29 | Lopeppeppy | Can you do it for me in this specific happy thread? *big pleading eyes* |
| 21:54.51 | ScytheBlade1 | How about you read my post and make sure that I'm not smoking crack first? ;) |
| 21:55.06 | ScytheBlade1 | I'd like someone else to verify that I have my head screwed on straight before I start a crusade |
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| 21:56.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Especially when that crusade is calling a generally knowledgeable blue poster "wrong on many levels" |
| 21:56.13 | Lopeppeppy | This discussion has been going on for almost a year about those particular mods. Since they're coded entirely legitimately, they're not third party programs, but now the GM's seem to be focusing on automation as the key... I dunno. It seems like a different approach to the same thing. |
| 21:56.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup |
| 21:56.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Over a year |
| 21:56.38 | Lopeppeppy | The OP in the one I linked is a guy in my raid group, I just wanna brain him one. |
| 21:56.51 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 21:57.00 | Lopeppeppy | But now I can't! *laugh* |
| 21:57.00 | cladhaire | they're focusing on addons adding functionality that was specifically removed, back |
| 21:57.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Except that it wasn't removed, it was changed |
| 21:57.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Removed would be a protected function |
| 21:57.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Plus it does not function in the same way as it originally did... no guarantees |
| 21:57.46 | Lopeppeppy | And if the addon can still do it, there must be *some* code Bliz chose to leave in. |
| 21:57.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Ding |
| 21:58.18 | Shirik | Hey |
| 21:58.21 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy got ++ed |
| 21:58.25 | Lopeppeppy | In the thread I linked I think the disconnect was "third party program" versus "legitimately coded addon".... |
| 21:58.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah |
| 21:58.32 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik... I did. *blushes* |
| 21:58.36 | ScytheBlade1 | But read the blue posts in my thread |
| 21:58.54 | ScytheBlade1 | It clearly states that addons which facilitate group queuing for AV are "bad" |
| 21:59.10 | Lopeppeppy | Not... exactly, ScytheBlade1. |
| 21:59.25 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3707966744&sid=1&pageNo=3#43 |
| 21:59.28 | Shirik | well grats |
| 21:59.33 | ScytheBlade1 | "nevertheless, this applies to both add-ons and mods." |
| 21:59.43 | Lopeppeppy | "... provide access to a mechanic which does not currently exist in-game" It must exist or the addon couldn't do it? |
| 21:59.49 | Lopeppeppy | Thanks, Shirik! |
| 22:00.17 | End | the original reason was entirely for our own good for the button being disabled...it wasn't to combat premades vs. pugs or w/e...it was to allow the queue to function properly |
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| 22:00.47 | ScytheBlade1 | End: link? If you have one, that would be nothing short of incredible |
| 22:01.05 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, I totally have no opinion about group queues one way or another. But if Bliz is going to ban based on an addon that's coded entirely within their allowed system... wow. Just wow. |
| 22:01.05 | End | I'll try to find it |
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| 22:01.15 | End | it was a blue poster 5 or 6 months ago |
| 22:01.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, exactly Lopeppeppy |
| 22:01.36 | ScytheBlade1 | If you kinda want to abuse your green and bump my reply, asking for further clarification... ;) |
| 22:01.39 | End | someone asked if Blizzard might reenable the button and the CM said something like "maybe" |
| 22:01.56 | End | since the button was disabled before we had cross-realm battlegrounds |
| 22:02.03 | Lopeppeppy | THAT is what I'm all nose-a-twitch to know more about, but I don't want to do that "argue with a blue" thing. |
| 22:02.22 | ScytheBlade1 | That's what us regular noobs are for ;) |
| 22:02.50 | End | great, this is gonna be hard to find..I'm finding posts by caydiem :P |
| 22:02.58 | Lopeppeppy | Nice finds, End. |
| 22:03.07 | End | wow, you used to take durability in BGs |
| 22:03.11 | End | from npcs and stuff |
| 22:03.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup |
| 22:03.19 | End | I don't remember that |
| 22:04.17 | foxlit | Meh, the more people push in that direction |
| 22:04.22 | cladhaire | hat buttons has had a long history |
| 22:04.26 | foxlit | The more likely they're to protect the join button :) |
| 22:04.30 | cladhaire | with the API function still working |
| 22:04.31 | cladhaire | and then not |
| 22:04.50 | cladhaire | they can't "protect the button" |
| 22:04.52 | cladhaire | unless you split the API |
| 22:05.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Okay, noob question then |
| 22:05.44 | foxlit | What's wrong with requiring hardware interaction for whichever JoinBattlegroundQueue() function call its acting as the front end of? |
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| 22:05.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Why couldn't they simply protect the function? |
| 22:05.50 | Lopeppeppy | If they would protect the function I'd be a happy camper, because then an addon couldn't do it, and the debate is ended. |
| 22:05.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Exactly |
| 22:06.06 | cladhaire | because |
| 22:06.11 | cladhaire | they want peopel to be able to auto-queue for BGS |
| 22:06.17 | cladhaire | or rather, its nice to allow it |
| 22:06.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh |
| 22:06.18 | ScytheBlade1 | I see |
| 22:06.22 | cladhaire | you can't have it both ways |
| 22:06.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah I see what you're saying |
| 22:06.23 | cladhaire | :P |
| 22:06.33 | cladhaire | you'd have to have JoinBattlefield() and JoinBattlefieldAsGroup() |
| 22:06.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Iriel: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3707966744&sid=1&pageNo=3#43 |
| 22:06.58 | laindir | personally, I'd be fine with not being able to auto-queue for BGs |
| 22:06.59 | foxlit | cladhaire: that last line isn't making any sense |
| 22:07.04 | cladhaire | why not? |
| 22:07.16 | cladhaire | it makes sense to me :P |
| 22:07.25 | End | well, I found a post of a CM saying they didn't want to reenable group queus for AV because it'd increase queue times too much |
| 22:07.29 | foxlit | Yeah, obviously, or you wouldn't write that; it just doesn't make sense to me :) |
| 22:07.41 | foxlit | Why do you want to split it into JoinBattlefield() and JoinBattlefieldAsGroup()? |
| 22:07.43 | cladhaire | foxlit: okay.. there is ONE function |
| 22:07.47 | cladhaire | you're saying "protect the button" |
| 22:07.53 | cladhaire | you can't protect a button, you have to protect the function |
| 22:08.02 | cladhaire | if you do that, then no addon can auto-queue for BGs from the gossip window |
| 22:08.08 | foxlit | I'm saying require hardware interaction for calling that function |
| 22:08.12 | ScytheBlade1 | ... which is the idea |
| 22:08.13 | foxlit | Not "secure code" protect |
| 22:08.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Right? |
| 22:08.16 | Lopeppeppy | Iriel: And here. http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3773460325&postId=37728620385&sid=1#15 |
| 22:08.30 | foxlit | Sort of like CastSpell* used to be before 2.0 |
| 22:08.34 | cladhaire | foxlit: same issue. |
| 22:08.46 | cladhaire | you can't do that and allow addons to queue for BG from the gossip window |
| 22:08.49 | foxlit | cladhaire: no, addons can implement that as long as their user clicks something |
| 22:08.55 | cladhaire | ... |
| 22:08.57 | cladhaire | please listen to what I'm saying. |
| 22:09.02 | cladhaire | when I open the AV window |
| 22:09.07 | cladhaire | i'm automatically queued for AV |
| 22:09.15 | cladhaire | you cannot allow that, and protect the function in any way |
| 22:09.21 | cladhaire | if thats' a tradeoff you're willing to pay, great |
| 22:09.26 | cladhaire | but you can't have it both ways, withotu splitting the API |
| 22:09.29 | cladhaire | which I said abotu 10 minutes ago :P |
| 22:09.38 | foxlit | Okay, that makes more sense :) |
| 22:10.11 | Iriel | Hm.. I can't say Syndri's argument makes sense |
| 22:10.22 | Iriel | if you can do it via an addon then you DID do it through facilities provided IN GAME |
| 22:10.24 | cladhaire | me neither, we were just postulating |
| 22:10.27 | ScytheBlade1 | It kinda violates the rules as we know them :) |
| 22:10.42 | foxlit | If they actually wanted to disallow automated group queueing, I don't think people would be too bothered to click a button to queue :) |
| 22:10.57 | ScytheBlade1 | I replied to Syndri "in depth" in the thread we linked... I'm hoping for a reply |
| 22:11.04 | ScytheBlade1 | s/we/I/ |
| 22:11.14 | Lopeppeppy | Iriel... zactly my thought, I just didn't know what/how I could say such a thing and not violate the whole "green rules". I'm too new as a dinosaur, holp me! |
| 22:11.26 | Shirik | I'm not disagreeing with cladhaire here by any means, but what benefit is there for addons to queue for you? |
| 22:11.30 | cladhaire | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:11.31 | foxlit | Hey, I had a working decursive through most of 2.0 :) |
| 22:11.33 | End | Lopeppeppy: post as you always have? :P |
| 22:11.34 | Shirik | Like... it's just one button... |
| 22:11.36 | cladhaire | Shirik: not much, but you can't ahve both :P |
| 22:11.42 | Lopeppeppy | I think I did, End.... |
| 22:11.47 | Iriel | We could email slouken for a clarification I suppose, sometimes he can muster one. |
| 22:11.57 | cladhaire | that was my sole point |
| 22:12.04 | Shirik | fair enough :) |
| 22:12.09 | laindir | I'm looking for a post of his that speaks to this directly (although not in a battleground context) |
| 22:12.11 | End | Lopeppeppy: they made you green because they think your posts help and need some coloring, so keep it up :) |
| 22:12.16 | Lopeppeppy | I don't have that contact info, Iriel, I just have Drysc, which I wasn't sure would be helpful. |
| 22:12.31 | Iriel | I'm just not sure it's worth bothering him for 8-) |
| 22:12.31 | Polarina | cladhaire: Ok. Now the chat bubbles for the gold spammers don't appear. :) |
| 22:12.39 | cladhaire | good job :P |
| 22:13.01 | foxlit | I thought those were untouchable :/ |
| 22:13.11 | Lopeppeppy | Iriel, I don't know. Being able to ban users for addons written entirely within the provided Bliz framework... that's a big change. |
| 22:13.18 | Polarina | Well, I managed to make some bubbles not appear for certain messages. |
| 22:13.35 | Iriel | Lopeppeppy: Doing so without adding it to the ToS is a big change, there's already a class of banned addons. |
| 22:14.20 | Lopeppeppy | True.... so would we see a change in the ToS, or a protected function or.... if Syndri is right, it's a big step to just have on the forums and not out there for a wider audience. |
| 22:14.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Iriel (and Lopeppeppy): is there anything in my reply which you disagree with, or is simply wrong? If so I'd love to change it quickly :P |
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| 22:17.44 | Polarina | Now that I can filter out some chat bubbles over peoples head, I'm going to write some code to retain users preference (The option to disable completely the chat bubbles in Interface Options). |
| 22:19.41 | foxlit | Hm, Polarina reminds me of... Yu-Gi-Oh! :) |
| 22:20.09 | Polarina | foxlit: How so? |
| 22:20.25 | Lopeppeppy | Pikachu, I choose you! |
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| 22:28.10 | Myth024 | are there really people here or is it just this quite |
| 22:28.31 | End | Sorry, this is the afk channel |
| 22:28.31 | Lopeppeppy | We were talkin' up a storm 15 minutes ago, then I started editing screenshots again! Hello. |
| 22:28.34 | Iriel | I think you're really THAT impatient |
| 22:28.42 | Iriel | 8-) |
| 22:28.51 | Myth024 | lol |
| 22:28.59 | Iriel | 2 minutes is but a blink of an eye in IRC quiet time. |
| 22:29.07 | End | it really goes in spurts though |
| 22:29.19 | Myth024 | I'm just trying to find info on how to refrence guild vault slots, similar to the way bank and bag slots are recognized. |
| 22:29.22 | Iriel | You missed a conversation by 6 minutes, according to my client's timestamp |
| 22:29.33 | End | we'll have something interesting to talk about, talk, and then when we run out of stuff to say, go back to whatever we were doing |
| 22:29.34 | Iriel | I think that's in the 2.3 changes thread.one sec |
| 22:29.45 | Myth024 | WTB [Conversation] |
| 22:29.48 | Fin | hello! |
| 22:29.53 | Fin | do you like beer? |
| 22:29.53 | End | (plus, I think someone of us have other channels to talk in too) |
| 22:29.56 | End | some* |
| 22:30.02 | Fin | beer is fucking *fantastic* |
| 22:30.06 | Fin | at least, I think so |
| 22:30.07 | Lopeppeppy | Rum is better. |
| 22:30.20 | NightHawkTheSane | I, also, enjoy beer. |
| 22:30.26 | NightHawkTheSane | not so much rum. |
| 22:30.30 | Fin | rum has its place |
| 22:30.37 | NightHawkTheSane | mixed with coke, sure |
| 22:30.41 | Iriel | .... or not. |
| 22:30.42 | Fin | also pirates |
| 22:30.42 | End | Rum does bad things to me |
| 22:30.56 | Fin | yo ho ho, etc. |
| 22:31.15 | NightHawkTheSane | are you.. calling me a ho? |
| 22:31.16 | Fin | lots of good words with "rum", though - rumble, rump, ruminate |
| 22:31.22 | [dRaCo] | Caipirinha is great, too. |
| 22:31.37 | [dRaCo] | just mentoning it cause I'm having one and you dont, of course. |
| 22:31.39 | Myth024 | I've searched through google, the wow forums, wowwikki and I can't find any information on how to refrence the guild vaul, the tabs, or the slots |
| 22:31.56 | Iriel | Did you just look at the wow UI code? |
| 22:31.59 | Fin | then there must be no way! |
| 22:32.03 | Fin | that as a lie |
| 22:32.05 | Iriel | thats generally the most obvious and easiest way to find out how to do something |
| 22:32.08 | Fin | +w |
| 22:32.21 | Myth024 | *facepalm* Now I feel stupid... lol |
| 22:33.02 | Iriel | It is in my 'actual changes' thread tho |
| 22:33.04 | Myth024 | now I just have to figure out where it's hiding... |
| 22:33.05 | Polarina | cladhaire: Well, there comes a issue with the filtering of chat bubbles. If the client recieves two /say messages from different players at the same time and one of them is being filtered, the other one gets filtered too. :( |
| 22:33.14 | Myth024 | oh? |
| 22:33.30 | Iriel | but I can't find where i put it |
| 22:33.46 | Iriel | (the thread, that is, forum search appears to be broken) |
| 22:33.46 | End | the actual changes thread doesn't get stickied, so it usually doesn't stay around long |
| 22:33.58 | Myth024 | I'm sorta a noob coder, still learning lots of things so pardon my occasional bouts of brillance mixed in with all the general idiocy. |
| 22:34.10 | End | (it's Iriel's list of api functions added/removed/etc by analysis) |
| 22:34.27 | End | (instead of slouken telling us) |
| 22:34.29 | Myth024 | Yea, but where do I find that lol |
| 22:34.29 | Iriel | I'll repost it if I can't find it |
| 22:35.04 | Iriel | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2518907090&sid=1 |
| 22:35.05 | Iriel | Got it! |
| 22:35.06 | Myth024 | nobody put such an all important list up on a web page somewhere? *grin* |
| 22:35.21 | End | someone might be mirroring it on wowwiki |
| 22:35.34 | Lopeppeppy | Cairenn has the 2.4 post linked, but not the 2.3 |
| 22:35.44 | Myth024 | YES!!! That's EXACTLY what I was looking for. |
| 22:36.00 | End | Lopeppeppy: I dont think Cairenn ever copies the actual api changes thread though |
| 22:36.08 | End | or does she? |
| 22:36.10 | Myth024 | Now I just have to see if I can modify these add-ons to re-organize our guild vault. Wish me luck lol |
| 22:36.22 | Iriel | Right, she doesn't.. I suppose I could, but I always forget to do things like that |
| 22:36.27 | Polarina | cladhaire: Well, I can only pick between to show both or filter both in such situations. |
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| 22:36.53 | Iriel | I do try and keep a copy of the source documents offline somewhere in case they're needed again, but I /really/ should write a script to keep them sychronized back down again |
| 22:37.01 | Lopeppeppy | End: She doesn't, I was hoping it was linked on her front page. However, 2.4 is, but not 2.3. |
| 22:37.12 | End | how is 2.4 linked? |
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| 22:37.31 | End | we don't even have a PTR to find the ACTUAL changes with yet! |
| 22:37.46 | Iriel | The conversation is jumping between 'announced' and 'actual' changes threads |
| 22:37.49 | End | it is |
| 22:37.54 | End | I think Lopeppeppy is confused :P |
| 22:37.57 | Iriel | Cair keeps a copy of the 'announced' thread, not the 'actual' one. |
| 22:38.12 | End | exactly! :) |
| 22:38.18 | Corrodias | i can't wait for 2.5! |
| 22:38.19 | Iriel | I put a link to the 'actual' threads in the 'announced' ones, but not at the top (where perhaps I should, I'll do that with 2.4 I think) |
| 22:38.32 | Corrodias | although as i recall, they said they don't expect a 2.5 |
| 22:38.36 | Polarina | cladhaire: What would you do if you were me? |
| 22:38.46 | Iriel | I just have visions of myself pushing grandchildren around the park discussing version 29.3.2 |
| 22:38.52 | End | Iriel: do you mean, you normally do it like as a seperate post? |
| 22:38.55 | cladhaire | moment |
| 22:39.02 | End | in the same thread? |
| 22:39.24 | cladhaire | i dont know how you're filtering |
| 22:39.24 | Iriel | End: I mean I usually just do a 'reply' in the thread containing the link, but it can be on page 14 or so for a popular patch, I should put the link up top with the changes on page 1 |
| 22:39.27 | cladhaire | so its tough for me to say |
| 22:39.43 | End | Iriel: ok, yeah, that's what I thought |
| 22:39.46 | Iriel | Whatever cladhaire would do, it'd be stylish and cool tho, we know that 8-) |
| 22:39.49 | End | it'd help I think |
| 22:40.00 | Corrodias | NEW - outOfBounds = IsOutOfBounds() -- Determine if the player is out of bounds == what, now? |
| 22:40.00 | Iriel | So just think of something that's both of those and go with it? |
| 22:40.13 | Iriel | Corrodias: I just find 'em 8-) |
| 22:40.14 | Polarina | cladhaire: I do SetCVar("ChatBubbles", "0") when a evil message comes and then SetCVar("ChatBubbles", "1") at the end of a OnUpdate on WorldFrame. |
| 22:40.23 | Corrodias | :) oh well, guess we'll eventually find out |
| 22:40.35 | End | or we won't if it's hard to get out of bounds :P |
| 22:40.49 | End | a grep might tell us though |
| 22:40.52 | cladhaire | if you use a hacky solution, then you're stuck with a hack :P |
| 22:40.55 | Corrodias | all i can imagine is that it means you've stepped into the Void of a map that has an edge |
| 22:41.02 | End | yeah, that's my thought too |
| 22:41.05 | Polarina | cladhaire: Could you suggest a better way? |
| 22:41.06 | Corrodias | but it seems very unlikely they'd make an API for that >_> |
| 22:41.15 | Iriel | I generally look at the code around a new function to see if I can figure its use out |
| 22:41.26 | cladhaire | other than enumerating the frames, and checking to see which backdrop they are using to filter out chat bubbles |
| 22:41.26 | cladhaire | no |
| 22:41.35 | Iriel | (depends how much code there is and how far past when I'm supposed to have been asleep it is) |
| 22:41.39 | End | lol |
| 22:41.41 | cladhaire | you'd need to use the same technique as aloft and other nameplate modifiers |
| 22:42.02 | Polarina | cladhaire: What technique is that? |
| 22:42.09 | cladhaire | i just told you |
| 22:42.23 | cladhaire | enumerating the frames, to find the ones you can't "get at" |
| 22:42.26 | cladhaire | i.e. check aloft |
| 22:42.32 | cladhaire | and check for the chat bubble backdrop |
| 22:42.34 | Polarina | What do you mean? |
| 22:43.29 | End | Corrodias: actually, that's probably what it is used for |
| 22:44.00 | Iriel | Basically the IsOutOfBounds is being used to stop you ressurectinng from a ghost when you're off the map (there's a check on IsFalling also) |
| 22:44.02 | End | apparent you can use the "DEATH" button if you are out of bounds and falling |
| 22:44.07 | cladhaire | Polarina: please download Aloft |
| 22:44.13 | cladhaire | and check the code |
| 22:44.15 | Corrodias | how convenient! |
| 22:44.17 | Polarina | cladhaire: What does that addon do? |
| 22:44.18 | End | Iriel is looking at the same code I am |
| 22:44.20 | cladhaire | as I said. |
| 22:44.26 | Corrodias | no more "oops i fell out, gotta call a GM"? |
| 22:44.31 | cladhaire | Polarina: it modifies the nameplates, as I've already said. |
| 22:44.38 | Corrodias | an uncommon situation, but i know it happens |
| 22:44.41 | Iriel | Well, you still have to call a GM if you get stuck while alive |
| 22:44.52 | Iriel | but you can't put yourself in WORSE trouble by ressurecting a ghost there |
| 22:45.11 | Corrodias | how would that be worse? |
| 22:45.13 | End | I'm a little puzzled actually |
| 22:45.21 | Polarina | cladhaire: And how does it do that? |
| 22:45.22 | Corrodias | or do you mean, dead when not outofbounds, resurrecting outofbounds? |
| 22:45.28 | Lopeppeppy | And you said <<I>> was confused. |
| 22:45.38 | Iriel | When you are dead, and in a place you COULD ressurect based on distance to corpse |
| 22:45.44 | Iriel | if you're falling OR out of bounds, it hides the button |
| 22:46.02 | cladhaire | Polarina: PLEASE downloaod the addon and look |
| 22:46.04 | cladhaire | i'm not here to do your job |
| 22:46.08 | foxlit | So it makes recovery from deaths on cliffs more or less impossible? :) |
| 22:46.11 | Polarina | cladhaire: Link? |
| 22:46.14 | cladhaire | SEARCH |
| 22:46.17 | cladhaire | i'm not doing it dor you |
| 22:46.24 | Corrodias | but when you're out of bounds, you -are- falling |
| 22:46.34 | Corrodias | hence the inability to use a hearthstone |
| 22:46.36 | cladhaire | you are more than capable |
| 22:46.39 | cladhaire | that is what makes this frustrating. |
| 22:46.40 | Polarina | cladhaire: When you asked me for a link, I got it for you because you didn't bother to search! |
| 22:46.51 | End | erm, actualy, isn't it, if you are falling and not out of bounds it hides it? |
| 22:46.51 | cladhaire | it was for YOUR addon |
| 22:46.54 | cladhaire | which YOU wanted me to look at |
| 22:46.56 | cladhaire | I'm the one helping you here |
| 22:47.09 | Polarina | Ok. |
| 22:47.11 | cladhaire | please, be reasonable. |
| 22:47.42 | End | isn't this the release button anyhow? |
| 22:47.56 | End | so it's so you can release if you die and fall through the world? |
| 22:47.59 | End | or somethig? |
| 22:48.02 | End | something* |
| 22:48.10 | Industrial | I have a problem with my code. http://pastey.net/80110 |
| 22:48.14 | Industrial | this is running in a tinypad |
| 22:48.24 | End | (corpses fall now, don't they?) |
| 22:48.33 | End | (I think it is for that) |
| 22:48.36 | Industrial | when I do f:SetWidth() before I do f:Clear() the clear wont work |
| 22:48.49 | Industrial | (and AddMessage too) |
| 22:48.57 | Industrial | is this a bug? |
| 22:49.17 | Corrodias | i haven't observed corpses falling, however i haven't died in the air in months |
| 22:49.28 | Corrodias | so i guess i haven't really had an opportunity |
| 22:49.31 | End | me either, and I know they were planning on adding it |
| 22:49.36 | zenzelezz | corpses fall when you release |
| 22:49.42 | zenzelezz | that's my experience anyway |
| 22:49.43 | Corrodias | basically, ever since i stopped pvping in halaa, i have not died in the air |
| 22:49.43 | End | huh... |
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| 22:50.09 | zenzelezz | could be wrong now, haven't had any mid-air corpses around me for a while |
| 22:50.31 | Corrodias | i should test this! |
| 22:50.43 | End | I dunno, but this is in the omgijustdiedandmusteitheruseSSorrelease popup |
| 22:51.06 | Myth024 | ...I was afraid of that... I'm going to have to create a guild vault organizer add-on from scratch.. .thanks for the help.. see you all again when I hit a brick wall in a month or two lol |
| 22:51.36 | Corrodias | how can the guild vault be organized? why, just give everything to me! |
| 22:51.50 | End | organize the gold by giving me the gold |
| 22:51.59 | Corrodias | we seem to have quite a few AQ20 rep items in our bank |
| 22:52.13 | Industrial | eh anyone? |
| 22:52.15 | Corrodias | for lack of 1) anything better to do with them and 2) anything better to put there |
| 22:52.16 | End | Although, in my guild's case, we have more money tied up in items than in gold in our bank :P |
| 22:52.19 | Polarina | I'm going to sleep. |
| 22:52.25 | zenzelezz | naybe it was just the skeleton that falls when you resurrect |
| 22:52.25 | Lopeppeppy | So do we, Corrodias. Mostly the 1), less of the 2) |
| 22:52.31 | End | We actually have useful stuff in our bank :P |
| 22:52.53 | Corrodias | we don't use our bank for too much. so far, we are starting to collect materials for crafted tanking gear. |
| 22:53.18 | Lopeppeppy | I'm never sure why people want mods to organize the guild banks -- if I didn't touch it and see what's in it, I wouldn't know what the mod automagically did to the stuff I didn't even know was there.... |
| 22:53.31 | Myth024 | Oh we regularly take items sell em on the AH and put the money into the Guild Vault, but to manually organize is such a pain in the butt. Using things like Mr. Plow and bankstack for personal bags and bank is better, I was trying to adopt the same concept to guild vault for ease of use |
| 22:53.38 | End | Lopeppeppy: that's my concern too |
| 22:53.47 | Corrodias | "organize" in what way? |
| 22:54.02 | Corrodias | i have never used those two; for my bank and bags i use tbag |
| 22:54.16 | Myth024 | I just want like all the armor together and all the mats together, stack stuff etc |
| 22:54.19 | End | Myth024: well, as long as everyone realizes it is an addon doing it :P |
| 22:54.35 | End | we organize our stuff by hand, and I don't dare mess it up too much or people would get confused :P |
| 22:54.37 | Corrodias | i see! |
| 22:54.48 | Lopeppeppy | That's what I do manually, so that I can see what is there. Otherwise, as End implies, other bank users will switch around the stuff and drive your addon crazy. |
| 22:55.23 | Myth024 | I'm hoping that by being able to accurately refrence tabs and slots, I can designate groupings and areas that will always have the same "type" of stuff in that area |
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| 22:55.50 | Corrodias | TBag displays things in groups, but doesn't actually rearrange anything in your bank/inventory |
| 22:56.05 | Corrodias | that sounds like it'd be perfect for the vault, then |
| 22:56.08 | Myth024 | With a guild vault add on tied in, I'll be able to see statistics of who put what in, and when it came out |
| 22:56.15 | Corrodias | other than the fact that it doesn't deal with the vault at all |
| 22:56.20 | Myth024 | ahhh.. I meant to say log |
| 22:57.21 | Myth024 | Its more of a matter that because things are constantly going in and out of the vault, an add-on will make sure that the general organization always stays the same, so that anyone can see whats in there easily |
| 22:58.07 | Lopeppeppy | Will all of your users have to use the same addon? Or will you be responsible for say... once a day logging in and "organizing" your bank via the addon that you have installed? |
| 22:58.17 | Myth024 | for example. right now when I look at my bank (use onebag) I know that if a certain area is empty, then I don't have any of that "item" |
| 22:58.58 | Myth024 | well, it would not be for everyone to have, and it would have to check permissions so that only the right people who have access can make the adjustments |
| 22:59.40 | Myth024 | with our guild, we have one tab that is for anyone above the bottom rank to access, the other tabs are only accessable by officers and they get stuff out by request only |
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| 23:00.19 | Myth024 | therefore, the add-on has to check to see if proper access has been granted the user and if they have the ability to modify the actual contents of the bank |
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| 23:00.52 | Myth024 | in general, the built in fucntions of wow will take care of that anyway, so it's more of simply returning a pre-existing value |
| 23:02.18 | Myth024 | CanViewGuildBankLog() like this one |
| 23:03.00 | Myth024 | however, when it comes down to the actual programming language, and how to create the process to re-organize, well, it's gonna take me some time to figure it all out |
| 23:06.42 | Lopeppeppy | Ugh. I'll stick to by-hand sorting! |
| 23:07.33 | Myth024 | Lol, yea, but for me its about understanding add-on programming better and In my search I've seen lots of people that want an add-on that organizes the guild vault |
| 23:07.53 | Lopeppeppy | I want an addon to bake cookies for me. |
| 23:08.16 | Myth024 | oooo..... that sounds like a good idea.. anyone know where to find Real Life API docs? |
| 23:08.47 | Myth024 | function.global=warming |
| 23:09.03 | Myth024 | oops... dam it.. that bug will have someone making a movie |
| 23:09.39 | Lopeppeppy | If they make movies about cookies, I'd hit that. |
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| 23:10.35 | Myth024 | if cookie.tray == 0 then oven.cookies = false dowhile cookie.dough + oven |
| 23:11.16 | Myth024 | *checks oven* nope, maybe I should have included core.oven in the TOC |
| 23:11.55 | art3mis | Lopeppeppy: you can always use DBM to be a cookie timer for you ;P |
| 23:12.09 | Lopeppeppy | I like addons with modules so I can disable ChocolateChip and enable Brownie whenever I want. So I guess I just want a generic baking addon with plugins. *nods* |
| 23:12.20 | Lopeppeppy | And DBM/BigWigs support is essential. |
| 23:12.27 | art3mis | OR |
| 23:12.28 | Fin | Myth024: I'm not following the conversation, but it seems like someone should've mentioned BankStack by now, if you didn't already know about it, so I'm mentioning it |
| 23:12.34 | Fin | that is all |
| 23:12.44 | art3mis | steal some foriegn kids from the playground and have them be your monkey addon ;) |
| 23:13.03 | art3mis | since having your own would so obviopusly ruin your figure |
| 23:13.09 | Lopeppeppy | art3mis, children do not attend ovens, they go *into* ovens. |
| 23:13.11 | art3mis | *i suppose* |
| 23:13.16 | Lopeppeppy | Wicked Wtich 101, duh. |
| 23:13.21 | art3mis | only german kids do |
| 23:13.25 | art3mis | duh |
| 23:13.36 | Fin | good thing all german kids are called Hansel or Gretel |
| 23:13.39 | art3mis | i mean really what do they expect in the black forest |
| 23:13.42 | Fin | that wouldn't work otherwise |
| 23:13.55 | art3mis | aside from cake and ham |
| 23:14.12 | art3mis | most ovens arent large enough for american children |
| 23:14.15 | Fin | oh hey btw, my tip for the day: if you're being chased by police dogs, try not to go through a tube, over a see-saw, and then jump over a flaming rod |
| 23:14.18 | Fin | they're trained for that |
| 23:14.27 | art3mis | and it would take WAY to many asian kids to have a worthwhile meal |
| 23:14.39 | Fin | and then you'd just feel hungry again after an hour |
| 23:15.02 | art3mis | although i bet Trunk Monkey would rule for cookie and brownie making |
| 23:15.08 | art3mis | if he didnt fling the brownies |
| 23:15.22 | Fin | whatcha gonna do about that junk |
| 23:15.26 | Fin | all that junk that's in my trunk |
| 23:15.32 | art3mis | garage sale |
| 23:15.41 | Fin | my hump |
| 23:15.43 | Fin | my hump |
| 23:16.13 | art3mis | fin == end |
| 23:16.20 | Fin | que |
| 23:16.49 | Fin | por favor |
| 23:16.56 | Lopeppeppy | Um.... you guys are too weird. |
| 23:17.04 | Fin | he started it |
| 23:17.04 | art3mis | unless you're named after a dorsel or $5 bill |
| 23:17.05 | Lopeppeppy | Put down the crack pipes and rejoin un-reality, kk? |
| 23:17.06 | Fin | no wait, you did |
| 23:17.18 | art3mis | Lopeppeppy: reality bites ;P |
| 23:17.22 | Fin | no fish! none! |
| 23:17.32 | Lopeppeppy | art3mis, don't I wish. |
| 23:17.40 | art3mis | i dunno |
| 23:17.44 | art3mis | i dont know you well enough |
| 23:17.48 | Myth024 | reality bytes? |
| 23:18.07 | art3mis | i can assume you're a deviant though since you're a girl, on irc, who "programs" |
| 23:18.33 | art3mis | that and i assume all girls are deviants |
| 23:18.42 | Myth024 | ../script ReloadUI() |
| 23:18.45 | Lopeppeppy | I do not "program". I bake. |
| 23:19.20 | art3mis | how are youa forum mod then? |
| 23:19.34 | art3mis | i thought they needed to know "stuff" |
| 23:19.48 | Myth024 | adopted because of the cookies |
| 23:19.53 | art3mis | other than peanutbutter+oven != peanutbutter cookies it == fire! |
| 23:20.01 | Corrodias | argh, i'm horrible at thinking of a good name >_< |
| 23:20.08 | Lopeppeppy | I know much of Stuff, art3mis, and I guess I'm like helpful or something, who knows? |
| 23:20.10 | art3mis | Jaboo |
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| 23:20.17 | Lopeppeppy | Arktain |
| 23:20.23 | art3mis | then people can re-enact major league |
| 23:20.33 | art3mis | and constantly say "fuck you jaboo, i do it myself" |
| 23:20.38 | Myth024 | I just took the name of one of my charaters and when I created a new one I named her the same thing, but spelled the name bakwards |
| 23:21.06 | art3mis | Myth024: being on ric for 15+ years ive taken to reading odd names backwards to see if they say anything |
| 23:21.11 | Corrodias | i have a female orc warrior here, still trying to name it. but i know the name "Spar" is available, and i'm thinking of taking that. |
| 23:21.11 | art3mis | ric==irc |
| 23:21.23 | art3mis | call it Rabbit! |
| 23:21.29 | Lopeppeppy | Beautiful ones, I must leave you now to like.... program or something. Stay good, buh-bye. |
| 23:21.31 | art3mis | or DPBetty ;P |
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| 23:21.37 | Myth024 | of course my most recent character I spelled Euryn.. made her a bitch so she can piss everyone off |
| 23:21.43 | art3mis | the dp stands for donkey punch ;P |
| 23:21.49 | Corrodias | 15+ years? that's approximately the full age of the medium, isn't it? |
| 23:22.02 | art3mis | 92 was when i started |
| 23:22.07 | art3mis | irc came into being in 88 |
| 23:22.26 | Corrodias | i had no idea it was pre-90 |
| 23:22.31 | Myth024 | yea, those were back in the days when I thought 14.4 was the wave of the future |
| 23:22.40 | art3mis | we had a talk about it a few months back |
| 23:22.48 | art3mis | thats the only reason i know, i went and looked ;P |
| 23:22.49 | Cairenn | rofl! http://www.wired.com/politics/security/news/2008/01/dreamliner_security |
| 23:22.53 | Myth024 | and then along came V.90 and shattered my dreams |
| 23:23.05 | art3mis | 14.4 to datapac to the university and onto irc |
| 23:23.09 | art3mis | mmmm sexy days |
| 23:23.34 | Myth024 | 1200 baud dialup into department of energy |
| 23:23.57 | Myth024 | blazing speeds those days |
| 23:24.17 | Myth024 | whoever thought I would think that my 15Mbps connection was slow |
| 23:24.27 | art3mis | haha yeah |
| 23:24.35 | art3mis | i had cable from about 94 on |
| 23:24.39 | art3mis | 94-95 |
| 23:24.44 | art3mis | and i bitched it was too slow |
| 23:24.44 | batrick | ur |
| 23:25.10 | art3mis | now i have 30mbit and it's still not fast enough despite 1.5gb takeing about 15mins or so |
| 23:25.27 | Myth024 | Yea, I almost upgraded |
| 23:25.53 | Myth024 | The phone company looked at me funny when I asked if I could get an OC3 run to my house |
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| 23:26.53 | Myth024 | ok, time for Kara.. see ya all later |
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| 23:30.43 | art3mis | myth: heh i got a client to pay for business cable into my house to host thier exchange server |
| 23:30.59 | art3mis | so ive got my regular home 20mbit and the business 30mbit |
| 23:31.21 | batrick | for better support "surely" :) |
| 23:31.30 | batrick | err |
| 23:32.06 | art3mis | of course |
| 23:32.08 | art3mis | actually it was |
| 23:32.38 | art3mis | the floor manager in the multi suite they're in aat present had a fit when i hugn up on her and she has them scared to let me up claiming "im banned" |
| 23:32.52 | art3mis | which she cant legally do but i cant do anything about unless the client calls her on it |
| 23:33.07 | art3mis | so we moved it to my house so i could directly access it when and if i need to |
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